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| 00:07.32 | cockroach | hmm, this is weird. if i use synclient to configure my touchpad it seems to ignore some commands: http://paste.debian.net/223586 |
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| 00:14.36 | abrotman | cockroach: does gsynaptics still exist? |
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| 00:15.25 | enyawix | makk: I have the same issue looks they made changes to the servers that break the net install |
| 00:15.30 | cockroach | abrotman: not strictly speaking, it's been replaced by gpointing-device-settings |
| 00:15.50 | abrotman | ah okay |
| 00:16.20 | enyawix | I know the image worked before because I used it |
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| 00:16.52 | enyawix | BIG changes should not happen in a "frozen" system |
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| 00:29.18 | psycode | what is $20 divided by 20 cents per minute ? |
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| 00:29.51 | psycode | invert and multiply |
| 00:30.20 | timmmaaaayyy | 100 minutes |
| 00:30.38 | psycode | wow |
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| 00:30.45 | engla | is this dialup? |
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| 00:31.00 | pce | is debian more a server or a desktop? |
| 00:31.09 | engla | debian is more of a distribution |
| 00:31.14 | pce | ok |
| 00:31.24 | pce | the most use it as desktop |
| 00:31.33 | engla | It's both |
| 00:32.01 | psycode | debian is a server platform with an integrated desktop platform |
| 00:32.29 | pce | i am using apache |
| 00:32.45 | psycode | debian can be a server platform alone if you want |
| 00:33.17 | pce | how much boxes do i need to run debian as server and desktop and .. |
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| 00:33.37 | pce | firewall |
| 00:33.43 | doublehp | how do i setup WPA ? |
| 00:33.47 | doublehp | in CLI |
| 00:34.25 | psycode | 1 for personal or small to medium size servers |
| 00:34.45 | psycode | firewall included |
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| 00:35.17 | pce | sorry i don't get this |
| 00:35.29 | pce | i need 3 pcs |
| 00:35.45 | pce | 3 computer |
| 00:35.50 | pce | or less? |
| 00:36.01 | psycode | you do it very well with 3 or less |
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| 00:37.27 | psycode | apache can run on one computer, a firewal on another, and your desktop programs on yet another one |
| 00:37.36 | pce | and proxy |
| 00:37.38 | xsappyx | pce: you can run all of those on one machine but it is probably better to run your firewall / server stuff on a different machine than your desktop if you have the choice |
| 00:37.50 | pce | yes |
| 00:37.52 | psycode | or they can all run on one computer |
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| 00:38.36 | pce | but debian is not for com.. |
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| 00:38.43 | pce | or ? |
| 00:38.57 | pce | its more for NGO |
| 00:40.23 | pce | i mean its looks like this for me |
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| 00:40.47 | sebas-89 | pce: debian is cool |
| 00:40.50 | sebas-89 | just that |
| 00:41.05 | pce | and openbsd? |
| 00:41.36 | pce | is openbsd not cool |
| 00:42.19 | pce | why should i run debian as server? |
| 00:42.36 | pce | sorry |
| 00:43.09 | LtL | pce: you want a firewall a server and a desktop, but you don't know how or what it takes to do it? you should do some reading. http://www.debian.org or pick another distribution. this is a support channel. |
| 00:43.11 | sebas-89 | pce: Sorry, i don't know the answer buddy. |
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| 00:43.20 | pce | no |
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| 00:43.30 | pce | i would like to use debain as desktop |
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| 00:43.54 | LtL | pce: the download - install, and you're there. |
| 00:43.58 | LtL | then*9 |
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| 00:45.20 | pce | and support? |
| 00:46.05 | LtL | pce: support is what this channel is for, debian support. |
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| 00:48.15 | CookieJar | would reccomend joining #debian-offtopic as well |
| 00:48.17 | BONG_IT | good morning |
| 00:48.31 | bitg | BONG: good afternoon :) |
| 00:48.43 | CookieJar | good evening |
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| 00:52.06 | BONG_IT | ; ] |
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| 00:53.54 | psycode | i don't see how any topic can be off topic, i mean debian has everything |
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| 00:55.29 | psycode | but... we need a dvd about installation and use, and a team to translate the dvd |
| 00:55.52 | psycode | a bunch of howto videos |
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| 00:56.16 | psycode | text files are sooooo last century |
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| 00:57.55 | psycode | we can use youtube to test submitted vids, and maybe even youtube to distribute the howtos |
| 00:57.59 | xsappyx | psycode: text files will be sooooo this century too |
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| 00:59.24 | psycode | is there any good debian centric channels on youtube now ? |
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| 01:11.19 | enyawix | psycode: would the videos be GPL for low cost and free colleges like Khan academy and University of the People can use them? |
| 01:11.41 | timmmaaaayyy | how do i know i i have debian squeeze or debian…..wheezy? is that what the testing vs stable is? |
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| 01:11.52 | abrotman | timmmaaaayyy: look at your sources.list is a good start |
| 01:12.34 | iceroot | what is the difference in these two repos? i always thought that squeeze/updates is the new volatile, today i found out its squeeze-updates http://pastebin.com/E0n2Cpth so what is squeeze/updates? |
| 01:12.40 | timmmaaaayyy | ahhh squeeze |
| 01:12.41 | digi9 | What are the prospects for seeing a more up-to-date libc at some point soon? For a specific use-case here, 2.13 is unpleasant due to its use of vsyscalls |
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| 01:13.13 | thieh | I need some help troubleshooting the default configuration of freeradius: sudo freeradius -X gives http://pastebin.ca/2301165 |
| 01:13.15 | abrotman | iceroot: looking |
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| 01:13.31 | abrotman | iceroot: one is "volatile", one is security updates |
| 01:13.36 | abrotman | iceroot: also, you sohuldn't use ftp.debian.org |
| 01:13.53 | dvs | ,v libc |
| 01:13.54 | judd | No package named 'libc' was found in i386. |
| 01:14.09 | abrotman | judd: versions libc6 |
| 01:14.10 | iceroot | abrotman: thank you, which should i use instead? |
| 01:14.10 | judd | Package: libc6 on i386 -- lenny: 2.7-18lenny7; lenny-security: 2.7-18lenny7; squeeze-updates: 2.11.3-3; squeeze: 2.11.3-4; squeeze-proposed-updates: 2.11.3-4; wheezy: 2.13-37; sid: 2.13-38; experimental: 2.16-0experimental1 |
| 01:14.21 | abrotman | iceroot: you're in germany .. plenty of german mirrors |
| 01:14.26 | abrotman | !tell iceroot about squeeze sources.list |
| 01:14.26 | digi9 | so it's in "experimental" |
| 01:14.31 | digi9 | which I didn't even know was a thing :) |
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| 01:14.56 | abrotman | digi9: you don't want to use that |
| 01:15.00 | digi9 | I figured |
| 01:15.02 | abrotman | thieh: it tells oyu .. what's using the port ? |
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| 01:15.50 | digi9 | abrotman: after lots of Googling, I still haven't figured out any way to say, "No, when you compile this program, use real syscalls for EVERYTHING damn it" |
| 01:15.55 | thieh | abrotman, I havent start anything that requires such a port yet afaik |
| 01:15.55 | iceroot | abrotman: so this squeeze/updates is what is coming from the DSA mails, new security update for rails for example, the intitial version of rails will be in main, in squeeze/updates will be the fixed version and squeeze-updates will hold packages which will change faster then a debian release (like clamav) |
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| 01:16.00 | abrotman | thieh: something has |
| 01:16.11 | abrotman | iceroot: something like that .. yes |
| 01:16.35 | thieh | abrotman, how do I find out what is using which port then? |
| 01:16.44 | iceroot | abrotman: thank you |
| 01:16.47 | abrotman | thieh: fuser -n tcp 1413 |
| 01:16.50 | abrotman | or whatever the port was |
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| 01:19.58 | thieh | abrotman, fuser -n tcp 1812 returns no output |
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| 01:21.09 | abrotman | thieh: is it UDP? |
| 01:21.37 | thieh | abrotman, udp 1812 returns no output either |
| 01:21.38 | abrotman | thieh: i'm only telling you what the error is indicating |
| 01:22.00 | thieh | or does it has something to do with "ipaddr=*" |
| 01:22.19 | abrotman | thieh: i wouldn't think so .. you're telling it to listen on all interfaces |
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| 01:23.56 | thieh | abrotman, sorry, wasnt aware that I need sudo to do fuser... Killed the process and it works fine now |
| 01:24.08 | thieh | abrotman, thanks |
| 01:24.27 | abrotman | thieh: enjoy! |
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| 01:35.39 | sarid | oahyo |
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| 01:37.36 | doublehp | how do i setup WPA in CLI ? |
| 01:38.20 | sarid | wpa_supplicant |
| 01:38.34 | dvs | doublehp: http://anonscm.debian.org/viewvc/pkg-wpa/wpasupplicant/trunk/debian/README.Debian?view=co |
| 01:38.44 | abrotman | !tell doublehp about wpa |
| 01:38.49 | doublehp | thx |
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| 01:39.17 | sarid | the config file should be something like cat >"wpa_network".conf << "EOF" |
| 01:39.33 | abrotman | eh .. no |
| 01:39.49 | sarid | network={ ssid=""network's ssid"" psk=""psk_key"" |
| 01:40.07 | abrotman | sarid: please stop |
| 01:40.13 | sarid | ??? |
| 01:40.24 | sarid | what's wrong with that method? |
| 01:40.27 | abrotman | sarid: which channel do you think you're in? |
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| 01:40.48 | sarid | he asked a question. i haven't a clue |
| 01:41.13 | abrotman | doublehp: please refer to the wiki |
| 01:41.17 | dvs | sarid: It's not helpful to spew out config when he's no where near that stage yet. |
| 01:41.56 | sarid | don't you have to have written the config file before running wpa_supplicant? |
| 01:42.18 | abrotman | sarid: have you read the wiki? |
| 01:42.31 | sarid | nope, i speak from daily use |
| 01:42.40 | abrotman | but not with Debian? |
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| 01:42.58 | sarid | indeed not |
| 01:43.19 | abrotman | right |
| 01:44.14 | sarid | i'm sure wpa_supplicant can and most likely has been ported to debain. i highly doubt the syntax varies, and i'd rather read the man page |
| 01:44.23 | abrotman | sarid: please go read the wiki |
| 01:44.41 | abrotman | sarid: i have no idea which distro you use currently, but please go read the wiki |
| 01:45.04 | abrotman | sarid: or go back to whichever channel your distro uses if you feel the need to help people, or maybe ##linux |
| 01:45.24 | sarid | runs "/whois sarid" |
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| 01:48.01 | sekyourbox | I need a local web server, Debian, or CentOS? |
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| 01:48.19 | phogg | sekyourbox: look who you're asking |
| 01:48.23 | abrotman | sekyourbox: Debian, you're in #debian |
| 01:48.23 | phogg | sekyourbox: Debian, obviously |
| 01:48.28 | sekyourbox | :D |
| 01:48.34 | sekyourbox | Why? |
| 01:48.39 | dvs | CentOS! |
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| 01:48.43 | dvs | gets booted |
| 01:48.46 | abrotman | !tell sekyourbox about why debian |
| 01:48.47 | phogg | sekyourbox: It's just better |
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| 01:48.59 | sekyourbox | Why is it better? |
| 01:49.04 | abrotman | read what the bot told you |
| 01:49.07 | phogg | goes back to sleep |
| 01:49.36 | sekyourbox | but CentOS has all those things too right? |
| 01:49.47 | abrotman | we don't know, this is #debian .. go ask #centos |
| 01:49.53 | sekyourbox | oh, ok |
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| 01:50.30 | sekyourbox | I usually lean towards CentOS because corporate environments generally have linux systems that are more close to CentOS |
| 01:50.50 | sarid | friggen RHEL |
| 01:51.05 | abrotman | sarid: your signal/noise ratio is getting awfully high |
| 01:51.17 | abrotman | sekyourbox: this is still #debian .. do you need help with Debian? |
| 01:51.19 | sekyourbox | but since debian is now becoming more popular for web servers I was wondering if there was any reason I should start with DEB |
| 01:51.47 | abrotman | sekyourbox: more popular? I've been using Debian for servers for a long time, it's been great the whole time |
| 01:51.51 | sekyourbox | I need to host my own virtual web server because I'm making a PHP page and want to test it out |
| 01:52.17 | sekyourbox | Why do corporate environmnets usually use RHEL? |
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| 01:52.43 | abrotman | sekyourbox: someone to blame |
| 01:52.57 | abrotman | insurance policies, etc |
| 01:53.08 | abrotman | accountability |
| 01:53.14 | sekyourbox | any good debian distrobutions already setup for a php/web server |
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| 01:53.27 | sekyourbox | or shoudl I start from scratch |
| 01:53.40 | phogg | sekyourbox: Debian is only one distribution and it has whatever you install. |
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| 01:53.59 | sekyourbox | well there are other debian-based distributions |
| 01:54.09 | dvs | sekyourbox: not here |
| 01:54.36 | abrotman | sekyourbox: this channel supports only Debian |
| 01:54.47 | dvs | proper |
| 01:55.30 | sekyourbox | hmmm, I guess I'll stick with centos since it looks better in a portfolio ;) |
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| 01:55.59 | abrotman | that was easyt |
| 01:56.34 | dvs | go back to Louisiana! |
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| 01:56.42 | abrotman | soon enough |
| 01:56.57 | sarid | abrotman, you're from LA? |
| 01:57.18 | dvs | sekyourbox was |
| 01:57.38 | sarid | ah |
| 02:03.44 | ChibaPet | Let's see. RHEL clones don't start services on install. That may have just exhausted the list of advantages. |
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| 02:05.01 | ChibaPet | Hm. Unfortunate sekyourbox isn't still here. I'd have liked to have told him to count available packages. Oh well. |
| 02:06.07 | sarid | they have the same kernel, init, and close to the same userland. i guess that'd just come down to package manager preferences... :( |
| 02:06.23 | abrotman | ChibaPet: you can hunt him down |
| 02:06.39 | ChibaPet | Eh, I'm not feeling ambitious enough to message him if he's still connected. |
| 02:06.40 | dvs | wrestle gators! |
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| 02:06.54 | abrotman | moving on ... |
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| 02:08.32 | ChibaPet | So, this bugs me. I came on earlier looking for a Wheezy installer, and someone said to Google it. I did. The result was right there. I can't find the same page using www.debian.org's search. |
| 02:09.13 | Towzzer | http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 02:09.14 | Towzzer | here |
| 02:09.23 | Towzzer | oh, you found it |
| 02:09.33 | ChibaPet | Yeah, I know where it is, I just can't figure out how someone would find that easily from the Debian main page. |
| 02:09.44 | ChibaPet | But then, maybe that doesn't matter, since it *is* easy enough to find Stable from there. |
| 02:10.17 | ChibaPet | Alright, I'll go with "we don't want someone's first experience of Debian to be Testing" and leave it at that. It even makes sense. :P |
| 02:10.50 | Towzzer | it is a bit hidden |
| 02:10.52 | Towzzer | you are rigth |
| 02:10.55 | Towzzer | but it's testing |
| 02:11.18 | ChibaPet | In bright and happy news, we're finally ditching my wife's iMac and spinning up a Wheezy box for her with KDE. |
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| 02:11.38 | Deadz0 | Hey guys I dunno if any of you a part of the debian project if so I just want to say thank you for providing an awesome OS. I am currently using debian squeeze with an old Ibm T23 laptop an man it has brought new life to that pc. Ive had it for years and it was collecting dust now I pretty much use it more than my desktop. Debi is my main squeeze :D |
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| 02:11.53 | ChibaPet | (We're going with Wheezy because I can help if anything does break - unlikely - and a couple things she wants to do will benefit from multiarch, and getting that pain over with now rather than later seems reasonable.) |
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| 02:12.38 | ChibaPet | Deadz0: Cool! If you haven't dug into this particular aspect, search around for power saving tips, and I bet you'll see your old battery start lasting longer. |
| 02:12.56 | ChibaPet | Deadz0: A good place to start would be installing the "powertop" package. |
| 02:13.03 | Deadz0 | awesome thank you :D |
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| 02:21.32 | timmmaaaayyy | would debian ever support EFI installs like centos does? |
| 02:22.21 | ChibaPet | A quick search found this, timmmaaaayyy: https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2012/07/msg00093.html |
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| 02:22.44 | timmmaaaayyy | thank you |
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| 02:24.59 | thieh | I am getting "mount system call failed" when I am trying to mount an NFS share. am I missing something? |
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| 02:30.32 | ChibaPet | Verify that everything's set up on the NFS server? |
| 02:31.14 | ChibaPet | Has this worked in the past, or from another box? |
| 02:31.47 | thieh | it (NFS server set up on a windows server box) works when I mount it with a fedora box but not debian box |
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| 02:32.27 | ChibaPet | Do you have nfs-common and portmap installed? |
| 02:33.00 | thieh | ok, lemme get those setup and try again then. |
| 02:33.01 | ChibaPet | Hm, I might be somewhat too dinosaurlike with my notion of what packages you need. |
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| 02:35.25 | ChibaPet | Alright, rpcbind, not portmap, but apt-get will mention that. |
| 02:35.33 | thieh | I have nfs-common and rpcbind already, it seems |
| 02:35.52 | ChibaPet | Is rpcbind running? Probably is, but...? |
| 02:36.17 | thieh | how would I tell? |
| 02:36.24 | ChibaPet | ps ax | grep rpcbind |
| 02:36.43 | sarid | i have to go |
| 02:36.57 | ChibaPet | Also, perhaps make sure the server is going to allow your client. |
| 02:36.57 | thieh | /sbin/rpcbind -w is running, it says |
| 02:37.10 | ChibaPet | It's possible to have some access list stuff set up for exports. |
| 02:37.17 | thieh | and my server allows any/all client, iirc |
| 02:37.20 | ChibaPet | If I remember correctly, check /etc/exports on the server. |
| 02:37.21 | ChibaPet | ok |
| 02:38.04 | ChibaPet | Hm, you could make sure you're not having firewalling in the way... sudo iptables --list |
| 02:38.29 | ChibaPet | If you have a minute, I'll set it up here and see if I run into any snags. |
| 02:39.45 | ChibaPet | Going to assist my wife with her install - brb, will be happy to model the process if you have time. |
| 02:40.04 | thieh | sudo iptables --list --> http://pastebin.ca/2301180 |
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| 02:43.18 | ChibaPet | Alright, no issues there. |
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| 02:43.42 | nmschulte | What's the difference between the libgl1-mesa-dri and the libgl1-mesa-glx packages? I understand what the -dri package is, but what about the -glx package? |
| 02:43.56 | abrotman | nmschulte: they don't have descriptions? |
| 02:44.05 | nmschulte | abrotman: the glx one is vague... |
| 02:44.23 | nmschulte | http://packages.debian.org/sid/libgl1-mesa-glx |
| 02:44.32 | nmschulte | compared to the dri page, it doesn't tell me much at all |
| 02:44.36 | nmschulte | http://packages.debian.org/sid/libgl1-mesa-dri |
| 02:45.09 | abrotman | seems pretty obvious to me ? |
| 02:45.22 | abrotman | seems like the -glx description tells you why you'd want the -dri package |
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| 02:53.50 | nmschulte | abrotman: but what is the -glx bits? |
| 02:54.04 | nmschulte | abrotman: is that the mesa implementation of GLX (1.4) for X>? |
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| 03:04.23 | ChibaPet | thieh: So, I just set up a quick server here, and did a one-line exports, and I was able to mount from one box to another. The server is Wheezy, the client is Squeeze. |
| 03:04.39 | abrotman | nmschulte: http://packages.debian.org/sid/libgl1-mesa-swx11 |
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| 03:04.45 | ChibaPet | There was no client configuration needed. |
| 03:05.09 | ChibaPet | Server configuration, I made sure the client could get in by wildcarding its domain. |
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| 03:07.55 | nmschulte | abrotman: Okay, thanks. |
| 03:08.15 | nmschulte | That description made me laugh, :). |
| 03:08.44 | thieh | ChibaPet, I'll check the server setting then. thanks for the help anyway |
| 03:08.48 | nmschulte | No one refers to OpenGL as the original "OpenGL" from SGI. Everyone means the stuff managed by Khronos. |
| 03:11.00 | ChibaPet | thieh: Sure. |
| 03:11.15 | thieh | ChibaPet, speaking of which, what one-line export? |
| 03:11.46 | ChibaPet | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:12.11 | ChibaPet | I got something not quite right because the UUID chosen on the client is weird. But it worked. |
| 03:12.32 | ChibaPet | Checking that now, and I can give you a more reasonable config line. |
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| 03:13.13 | ChibaPet | I think I'm mapping to the anonymous ID, but... it's not what I expected. Checking anyway. |
| 03:13.43 | Deadz0 | sorry about the bracket spam I had something laid on my keyboard & didnt realize :( |
| 03:14.19 | ChibaPet | Oh, heh. thieh, so, here's what I didn't do: http://serverfault.com/questions/98741/files-mounted-over-nfsv4-are-owned-by-4294967294-uids-and-gids-match |
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| 03:24.21 | ChibaPet | thieh: did you "sudo service nfs-common start" on your client? |
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| 03:24.41 | ChibaPet | ...although you shouldn't need to, thinking about it. |
| 03:24.47 | oitofelix | Hello. I'm trying to play sound using SDL with NAS driver, but if I try it with mplayer or Audacious I get "Failed to open audio stream: No available audio device." NAS is working nice. Only SDL over NAS driver has that issue. Can anyone help? |
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| 03:33.31 | Chelsea | Hi all, how/where can I tell xrdp to use a different WM ? /etc/xrdp/startwm sources Xsession, but I can't find it there either. |
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| 03:35.38 | thieh | ChibaPet, restarting nfs-common doesn't help, as a note |
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| 03:52.37 | ski | hm, is there a nice way to diff directories (recursively), only reporting when files (and possibly directories) are the same ? |
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| 03:53.39 | abrotman | ski: the same? or not the same? |
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| 03:53.54 | ski | the same |
| 03:53.55 | abrotman | judd: info fdupes |
| 03:53.56 | judd | Package fdupes (utils, optional) in squeeze/i386: identifies duplicate files within given directories. Version: 1.50-PR2-3; Size: 19.3k; Installed: 80k; Homepage: http://code.google.com/p/fdupes/ |
| 03:53.58 | abrotman | like that? |
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| 03:55.17 | ski | currently, i was thinking about `diff -rqs dirA dirB | grep "are identical"' |
| 03:55.39 | abrotman | not fdupes/ |
| 03:55.40 | abrotman | ? |
| 03:55.56 | ski | i don't know, i'll have to look at what it does |
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| 04:12.40 | ChibaPet | Hm. It'll be interesting doing some of this new system's config. I have committed to using no dinosaur tricks. |
| 04:13.11 | dvs | looks at Barney |
| 04:14.10 | ChibaPet | Well, specifically, we're going to set up multiple monitors using whatever KDE provides, without me hinting that xrandr exists. (Not that xrandr is a dinosaur tool. But we're also not hand-hacking the X config directly.) |
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| 04:15.31 | ChibaPet | This will be the modern Desktop experience. :P |
| 04:15.36 | roothorick | I need a very light, minimal bootloader that'll perform decently if loading from a VERY slow disk. Ideas? |
| 04:16.00 | sney | roothorick, lilo probably. or extlinux |
| 04:16.34 | sney | roothorick, though your real bottleneck will be the size of the kernel image |
| 04:16.37 | ChibaPet | roothorick: Any chance the machine could boot from USB? If the disk is that slow, maybe you don't want to use it at all. |
| 04:17.43 | roothorick | ChibaPet: okay, real details. I AM booting from USB. It's a proprietary PC, and the BIOS has a bug that makes booting from USB incredibly slow. |
| 04:18.14 | ChibaPet | Without wanting to seem facetious - can you just stay running once you've booted? |
| 04:18.21 | roothorick | Currently doing a stock Debian thing. I found that once the kernel is booted and loaded its USB drivers things swing along quickly, but it's an agonizing solid four minutes waiting for GRUB to scrape itself off the disk and load the kernel and ramdisk |
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| 04:18.48 | ChibaPet | How often do you have to boot? If it's not a mobile device, leave it up, or is there a network boot option available? |
| 04:19.12 | roothorick | ChibaPet: the whole thing draws pretty significant current and I only need it for a few hours a day |
| 04:19.40 | roothorick | (it's an arcade machine with a dedicated audio amp and a big CRT monitor) |
| 04:20.14 | roothorick | also it includes some proprietary electronics that would be incredibly expensive to replace, so I'd like to keep the runtime down |
| 04:20.45 | ChibaPet | Hm, hm. You don't want to turn it on and off a lot if you want to be nice to it, but the current used probably outweighs that. |
| 04:20.56 | ChibaPet | Any netboot option on it? |
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| 04:21.24 | roothorick | doubtful. USB booting options are limited -- it straight up won't boot from some USB thumb drives. I happen to have a Seagate USB HDD it likes. |
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| 04:22.18 | roothorick | my current setup works perfectly, it just takes literally more than five minutes to boot |
| 04:22.19 | ChibaPet | I'd be really surprised if, given what you're saying, *anything* is really significantly better than GRUB for this. |
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| 04:23.30 | roothorick | ChibaPet: my theory based on its behavior is that the BIOS' USB drivers are, well, quite slow. So the idea is to minimize the amount that needs to be read off the disk before the kernel initializes the HCI for itself |
| 04:23.56 | roothorick | meaning, modules everything, no ramdisk, and as small a bootloader as possible |
| 04:24.04 | ChibaPet | Oh, so, boot without initrd, module loads, do a ... monolithic kernel, etc. |
| 04:24.23 | roothorick | I figured a modular kernel with mostly everything as modules would be smaller than monolithic |
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| 04:24.42 | roothorick | but EHCI and usb-storage would be builtin, not modules, to allow mounting root |
| 04:25.01 | roothorick | once the kernel brings up EHCI, all the needed modules can be pulled off the HDD at full EHCI speeds |
| 04:25.04 | ChibaPet | well, monolithic kernel with little included is probably what I'd shoot for, but I'm not sure how to select what modules get onto the initrd. Hm. |
| 04:25.06 | Herb_George_Edwi | DUDE WUD UP!!!? My name is Anthony Rossoni! For months I have saved money to buy an iPod Touch. I am almost there, but won't be getting another check for 2 weeks. I just gotta have that iPod, man! Can't wait any longer! Think you can help a cool chap like me out? I also love to Airsoft and drive go karts. Thanks a lot! |
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| 04:25.49 | ChibaPet | Are you getting the arcade-machine functionality out of it booting Lignux? Or is it just cool old hardware when it's running Linux? |
| 04:26.31 | roothorick | ChibaPet: the official software, which I'd like to switch back to, is incredibly picky about the hardware it's running on. It MUST be one of three extremely specific makes of Gigabyte motherboards |
| 04:26.36 | Herb_George_Edwi | DUDE WUD UP!!!? My name is Anthony Rossoni! For months I have saved money to buy an iPod Touch. I am almost there, but won't be getting another check for 2 weeks. I just gotta have that iPod, man! Can't wait any longer! Think you can help a cool chap like me out? I also love to Airsoft and drive go karts. Thanks a lot! |
| 04:26.42 | roothorick | *like to be able to switch back to |
| 04:26.54 | sney | !ops Herb_George_Edwi |
| 04:26.54 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: sney complains about: Herb_George_Edwi |
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| 04:27.22 | sney | he spammed me in a query too. |
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| 04:27.26 | ChibaPet | same here |
| 04:27.37 | sney | #freenode seemed indifferent |
| 04:27.50 | roothorick | anywho |
| 04:28.05 | ChibaPet | roothorick: Is Debian a necessary step in getting back to the original software? |
| 04:28.35 | roothorick | ChibaPet: no, I'm using Debian to run some Linux stuff that can use the proprietaries in the machine for other fun things |
| 04:28.39 | ChibaPet | I'm trying to understand what's driving you to want to improve boot time on it. |
| 04:28.46 | ChibaPet | okay, that makes sense then |
| 04:29.38 | roothorick | and I want to be able to switch between this and official software fairly easily |
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| 04:35.58 | S0-2 | I'm trying to use my laptop as an AP with hostapd: http://pastebin.com/49N7qe6S , but it fails. |
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| 04:38.41 | ChibaPet | roothorick: I don't think I have any great answers, but it sounds like a fun project and you clearly know what you need to accomplish. Good luck with it. :) |
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| 04:55.23 | thieh | Anyone using freeradius on Debian? I was wondering whether the certs need to be configured (or if the cert that comes at install would suffice) and if so where should I configure the certs |
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| 04:58.38 | sney | !tell thieh about readme.debian |
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| 05:03.04 | Shu | Can I get Deian's htop to work/display in a similar fashion as it does on Arch? http://i.imgur.com/kmSza.png |
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| 05:03.40 | Shu | I've tried compiling htop manually, but I still can't get it to replicate the effect. |
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| 05:05.24 | BONG_IT | how to unblock in the blacklist |
| 05:05.42 | pbase | Shu: how does it look in Arch? |
| 05:05.56 | Shu | pbase, http://i.imgur.com/kmSza.png |
| 05:06.02 | Shu | Notice how the threads are split into two groups? |
| 05:06.09 | Shu | On Debian it's all one line. |
| 05:06.17 | blixten | Shu: you dont need to recompile it |
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| 05:06.26 | blixten | you can edit it in the program |
| 05:06.29 | blixten | it got a config file |
| 05:06.52 | blixten | press F2 (for setup) |
| 05:07.00 | blixten | add and remove stuff you want, swap em around etc |
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| 05:07.13 | blixten | or steal the arch configfile for htop |
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| 05:07.51 | Shu | Oh, wow, thanks. |
| 05:08.09 | blixten | np :P |
| 05:08.58 | pbase | Shu: Change it in setup f2. you can add cpus in the respective columns you want |
| 05:09.43 | pbase | blixten: :P |
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| 05:10.49 | pbase | BONG_IT: ? |
| 05:10.56 | nutcase | I'd be willing to pay someone for guidance on setting up an email server |
| 05:11.18 | pbase | nutcase: it is called freenode for a reason! |
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| 05:11.23 | blixten | :D |
| 05:11.38 | blixten | had a friend that had a script for that, automated installing mailserver with spamassasin etc |
| 05:11.43 | blixten | it was neat |
| 05:12.00 | nutcase | I know but money people may make more time for |
| 05:12.05 | nutcase | I dont have to pay |
| 05:12.08 | nutcase | it was just an offer |
| 05:12.15 | nutcase | and that sounds sweet as hell blink |
| 05:12.28 | nutcase | err |
| 05:12.30 | blixten | yeah |
| 05:12.30 | nutcase | blixten |
| 05:12.36 | blixten | can ask him if he still got it |
| 05:12.39 | BONG_IT | i have a error upon makefile |
| 05:12.46 | pbase | nutcase: have you tried the how tos? |
| 05:12.58 | nutcase | that would be fucking amazing blixten |
| 05:13.12 | nutcase | pbase: whats the how tos? |
| 05:13.24 | blixten | will take a couple of hrs though, it's 06:13 in the morning here |
| 05:13.30 | pbase | nutcase: how to setup an email server |
| 05:13.35 | nutcase | blixten there is no rush on it |
| 05:14.07 | Shu | http://i.imgur.com/mzVUx.png Much better :P |
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| 05:14.39 | nutcase | where do I find a link to that pbase? |
| 05:15.11 | blixten | Shu: 48gb ram? |
| 05:15.19 | blixten | not your home server i assume :> |
| 05:15.24 | Shu | blixten, hahah nope. |
| 05:15.30 | Arrowmaster | i want one |
| 05:15.34 | blixten | unless you have your porn loaded in the ram |
| 05:15.37 | nutcase | my home one has 12 :o |
| 05:15.38 | blixten | for quick access |
| 05:16.09 | pbase | nutcase: here is one for a start- http://flurdy.com/docs/postfix |
| 05:16.55 | nutcase | cool thanks pbase |
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| 05:17.40 | pbase | how do i find the ram frequencies? I am thining for a ram upgrade since long |
| 05:18.00 | blixten | on the ram module |
| 05:18.38 | blixten | /usr/sbin/dmidecode | grep -i "current speed" |
| 05:18.42 | nutcase | better to find what your mobo supports |
| 05:20.01 | blixten | y true |
| 05:20.23 | blixten | damn i like this playlist |
| 05:20.24 | blixten | http://open.spotify.com/user/blixten85/playlist/0o7bCFnduvfWtozCTiZABm |
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| 05:22.21 | pbase | <PROTECTED> |
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| 05:24.45 | pbase | any of you using gnome3? |
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| 05:25.10 | sney | only its internals |
| 05:25.23 | sney | what's your question? |
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| 05:29.28 | BONG_IT | what is the problem with this i cant make file http://paste.debian.net/223633/ |
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| 05:32.18 | nutcase | so mysql wont install |
| 05:32.19 | nutcase | http://inky.ws/g/2hs |
| 05:32.23 | nutcase | thats the error it gives me |
| 05:32.59 | nutcase | like no matter what I try to do for it even on a fresh install it asks the password bit and then it doesnt accept the one I give it and I never set it anywhere else |
| 05:33.18 | rjsalts | BONG_IT: You need the kernel headers to be installed |
| 05:33.46 | BONG_IT | whats the command |
| 05:34.33 | rjsalts | BONG_IT: install the linux-headers package that is equivalent of the linux-image you're currently using |
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| 05:35.26 | BONG_IT | apt-get install linux-headers? |
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| 05:36.37 | rjsalts | BONG_IT: apt-get install linux-headers-... |
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| 05:37.32 | rjsalts | BONG_IT: where the ... is the same as the linux-image-... you have installed |
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| 05:39.59 | rjsalts | BONG_IT: probably something like linux-headers-2.6-686 |
| 05:40.47 | roothorick | I always wondered what the rolling userlimit thing was supposed to accomplish |
| 05:41.30 | skiz | mass joins :) |
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| 05:41.59 | roothorick | why? So the chat doesn't get spammed? |
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| 05:43.00 | peterrooney | roothorick: yep. joinspam is as annoying as any other kind of spam. |
| 05:43.22 | roothorick | I would think they could just part right away |
| 05:43.28 | roothorick | or is there something in place to prevent that? |
| 05:44.33 | BONG_IT | its ok right now |
| 05:44.55 | BONG_IT | i use the mkinitramfs -o /boot/initrd.img-$(uname -r) $(uname -r) and it appear like this > is this reading? |
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| 05:46.12 | skiz | it prevents nick spam from join/part, ensures that bot nets are slowly introduced and can be dealt with, and promotes happiness. :) |
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| 05:53.11 | pbase | join/leave is spammy coz it is dumped with the chat . if it is made separate, it would not longer be an annoyance |
| 05:53.34 | ChibaPet | irssi (and presumably other clients) lets you ignore it as a class of event |
| 05:53.43 | pbase | so guess the chat client hasa huge role to play |
| 05:55.38 | BONG_IT | is it ok if i lower the kernel version of deb 6 i want to migrate all my webserver from lenny |
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| 06:01.31 | S0-2 | iwlist scan can detect my wlan0 but iw dev wlan0 info returns device not found: http://pastebin.com/PFeR69Cq |
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| 06:12.36 | dioz | what are you talking about? |
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| 06:14.07 | dioz | S0-2: wheezy? |
| 06:14.32 | S0-2 | Yep |
| 06:14.56 | dioz | what package is iw part of? |
| 06:15.07 | S0-2 | iw is a package itself. |
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| 06:16.11 | dioz | what is your wireless chipset? |
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| 06:18.10 | dioz | yeah idk what that means |
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| 06:23.23 | ski | abrotman : i ended up using `diff -rqs' with `grep' and some Emacs macroing, since i only wanted to remove files in `dirB' which were identical with (corresponding) files in `dirA' -- ty for informing me about `fdupes', though |
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| 06:34.44 | sviz | ok i need some help from the experts |
| 06:35.05 | sviz | trying to get CrashPlanDesktop to run, but when I execute it, the app insta-crashes |
| 06:35.07 | sviz | org.eclipse.swt.SWTError: No more handles [gtk_init_check() failed] |
| 06:35.07 | sviz | at org.eclipse.swt.SWT.error(Unknown Source) |
| 06:35.07 | sviz | at org.eclipse.swt.widgets.Display.createDisplay(Unknown Source) |
| 06:35.10 | sviz | etc. |
| 06:35.28 | sviz | my google attempts have gotten me no where |
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| 06:39.16 | astyx | somebody there who knows something about irc? |
| 06:40.24 | gnarface | !ask |
| 06:40.24 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
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| 06:41.19 | gnarface | astyx: that's just for your information; do not take that to imply that i am somebody, that i am there, or that I know something about irc |
| 06:41.33 | astyx | so..can you run two ircs on the same server or is this impossible (not channels - i mean server) |
| 06:42.01 | gnarface | off the top of my head you could start the instance twice and just use separate ports/configs |
| 06:42.25 | sviz | focus! eclipse bug!! ;) |
| 06:42.30 | gnarface | that's a generic answer that applys to any server though; your particular irc server may make that easier or harder, depending on a great many things i don't know |
| 06:42.46 | astyx | ok, but i than i have two different config-files? |
| 06:43.10 | gnarface | maybe. you might be able to specify some stuff by command-line too though. |
| 06:43.28 | astyx | ok |
| 06:43.28 | astyx | thanks |
| 06:43.41 | gnarface | its also possible some irc servers have native clustering features so you could set up two nodes in just one server instance, but i 1) doubt it and 2) am the wrong person to ask |
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| 06:45.55 | gnarface | sviz: sorry i don't have any help for your eclipse bug. maybe they have their own irc channel that you might get better luck in? |
| 06:46.12 | sviz | iunno |
| 06:46.23 | gnarface | i've never even used it |
| 06:47.49 | sviz | i didn't know crash plan did |
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| 06:49.06 | gnarface | how are you sure its an eclipse bug then? |
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| 06:50.25 | sviz | its in the log |
| 06:50.40 | sviz | and its a reoccurring theme on google |
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| 06:52.17 | gnarface | well it could be a known bug in your debian version |
| 06:52.41 | gnarface | its worth at least checking bugs.debian.org because the bug report may have an attached workaround |
| 06:53.04 | sviz | whats weird is i was on deb 6.0.6 i386 and it worked fine. had to reinstall since my drive failed and now it won't run |
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| 06:53.28 | gnarface | did you forget to update after you reinstalled? |
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| 06:54.10 | gnarface | seems odd though... if its on squeeze that suggests it is almost certainly a known issue or... user error |
| 06:54.13 | sviz | no |
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| 06:55.06 | gnarface | unless that CrashPlanDesktop is not part of debian? or something else you're using with it isn't? |
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| 06:55.36 | gnarface | its just as possible i supposed that if your old install was out of date, updating to the latest version after reinstall could have introduced new, unknown bugs |
| 06:55.52 | gnarface | but that's highly less likely in the case of a completely homogeneous squeeze install |
| 06:56.16 | sviz | yea, it should have been up to date |
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| 06:56.37 | sviz | in the past id install this prettyuch right after a fresh install and it worked fine |
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| 06:56.48 | sviz | now its driving me batshit |
| 06:57.15 | gnarface | a common repeating known bug is sometimes stuff you install will depend on stuff without being packaged as such; so maybe you're just missing a package or something that can be installed by name specifically if you can identify it |
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| 06:57.26 | gnarface | its often the case that such bugs ARE listed on the bug tracker |
| 06:57.33 | gnarface | so like i said, worth checking |
| 06:58.01 | gnarface | unless you also installed the entire same exact package list from the old server already (having backed it up with dpkg --get-selections) |
| 06:58.25 | sviz | I'm not having luck finding anything in the bug tracker |
| 06:58.31 | sviz | but I'm probably somehow searching wrong |
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| 06:58.46 | gnarface | going by package name is the most useful |
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| 06:59.19 | gnarface | i would imagine anyone using eclipse has a good chance of knowing already |
| 06:59.35 | gnarface | or using... whatever software it is that broke this for you |
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| 07:26.16 | JoeHazzers | how do i find out why a package was installed? |
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| 07:30.41 | zykotick9 | JoeHazzers: "aptitude why foo" |
| 07:31.26 | JoeHazzers | cheers |
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| 07:39.31 | chovy | can someone point me in the right direction for setting up a firewall on debian? |
| 07:39.47 | ChibaPet | man iptables |
| 07:40.17 | ChibaPet | Not sure what the best bet is for an example of a comprehensive firewall. Seeing if anything ships... |
| 07:41.03 | chovy | ChibaPet: i'm running a tor relay and now my ip is going to be public, so I want to provide some basic level of protection. |
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| 07:41.41 | ChibaPet | Ugh. Prepare for half the world to blacklist you. Too many attacks coming through Tor lately, which is pernicious but... eh. |
| 07:42.07 | chovy | i'm not an exit node, just a relay |
| 07:42.08 | ChibaPet | "Block all inbound but the services you need. Have minimal services." |
| 07:42.18 | ChibaPet | oh, alright, that doesn't apply then. :) |
| 07:42.49 | ChibaPet | Oh, here, this example is good: |
| 07:42.50 | ChibaPet | https://www.rackspace.com/knowledge_center/article/sample-iptables-ruleset |
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| 07:44.08 | ChibaPet | The comments are grammatically incorrect and mis-spelled, but it shows you how to do some useful things. |
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| 07:44.48 | chovy | ok |
| 07:44.54 | chovy | i wsa reading this one: http://isalazyadmin.net/2009/07/02/configuring-a-basic-firewall-for-debian-linux/ |
| 07:45.37 | ChibaPet | Hey, look at that. He's not showing you ranges, but his commentary is far better. |
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| 07:46.24 | ChibaPet | So, the only bit I'd add - they don't really say what's happening with ESTABLISHED. |
| 07:46.29 | chovy | is there a package i need to install to use iptables? |
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| 07:47.02 | ChibaPet | You should already have everything you need installed. |
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| 07:47.56 | ChibaPet | The ESTABLISHED thing, at least for TCP connections, is kind of the same as saying "drop packets with only the SYN flag set unless they've been covered by another rule already." |
| 07:48.13 | ChibaPet | And for what that's about, read this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three-way_handshake#Connection_establishment |
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| 07:55.44 | chovy | k |
| 07:57.11 | Armand | l |
| 07:57.14 | ChibaPet | Have fun. o/ |
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| 08:00.28 | chovy | iptables-restore < /etc/iptables.rules |
| 08:00.28 | chovy | Using intrapositioned negation (`--option ! this`) is deprecated in favor of extrapositioned (`! --option this`). |
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| 08:02.17 | chovy | not sure if that's a problem with iptables.rule or the iptables-restore script |
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| 08:12.26 | chovy | ok, here goes. |
| 08:12.27 | chovy | rebooting |
| 08:12.32 | chovy | hopefully i can get back in |
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| 08:31.15 | chovy | ok, i'm not sure why this works. I didnt' allow port 8072 to have any incoming connections for bittorrent, yet the connections are still happening. |
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| 08:35.08 | chovy | i still get this when i run iptables -L |
| 08:35.08 | chovy | ACCEPT all -- anywhere anywhere |
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| 08:40.36 | xbanux | hey guys...my objective to make a "custom" debian iso image file which then installed, automatically installs defined packages from the iso file itself (not a network install)...is this possible? if yes whats the best way to achieve this? |
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| 08:58.59 | user2222 | I'm trying to set up an AP on my Debian laptop, and while my network interface is detected in ifconfig, it isn't detected by iw or hostapd: http://pastebin.com/YT1ABRnJ |
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| 09:14.44 | cesurasean | hello everyone. i upgraded to wheezy and now have a lot of problems. lol. |
| 09:14.46 | cesurasean | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:14.57 | cesurasean | how do i get past this? mysql server fails to install..... |
| 09:18.18 | cesurasean | lol |
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| 09:21.42 | SPF | cesurasean: did you ever import a mysql database from a previous installation? |
| 09:22.14 | cesurasean | no, but it was chrooted. |
| 09:22.19 | cesurasean | i just removed it, will reinstall it. |
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| 09:23.28 | SPF | cesurasean: it could be that the installer uses the debian mysql maintenance user, but if you imported it there will be a password mismatch |
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| 09:25.09 | no_gravity | Hello! I need to create a hash of an email. sha256 is too long. i have 50 chars max. Any suggestions? |
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| 09:27.56 | cesurasean | i think purging it and reinstalling did the trick. |
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| 09:28.19 | Iridos | there was a program that allowed to read the contents of a file into the cutbuffer and/or selection... but what was its name? |
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| 09:29.04 | Iridos | no_gravity, md5sum would be too obvious? |
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| 09:30.40 | no_gravity | Iridos: might also work. im using sha1sum now |
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| 09:32.21 | heraclide | hello all :) |
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| 09:33.52 | heraclide | does someone have successfully played with debconf-set-selections and gitolite ? I can't achieve having gitolite/adminkey been used, when i export DEBCONF_DEBUG="developer" , I see that other values are get but not this one .. any clue is welcome :) |
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| 09:37.00 | Iridos | ah, xclip, methinks |
| 09:37.01 | MoL0ToV | exist a possible to configure ubuntu to automagically place in /media all the smb shares of the local net? as usb sticks and cdrom... |
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| 10:05.58 | smv | does anyone know if nVidia Geforce GT630M is supported by nouveau? |
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| 10:11.19 | moetunes | smv: http://nouveau.freedesktop.org/wiki/FeatureMatrix |
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| 10:15.18 | t4nk385 | hi |
| 10:15.50 | t4nk385 | can't get my firewire soundcard to show up properly in VLC, think I might have negelected to install something. |
| 10:16.11 | t4nk385 | jackd and qjackctl are installed so far |
| 10:16.33 | t4nk385 | and I've changed the settings in jack so it should be right for my FA-66 soundcard |
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| 10:29.25 | SgrA | http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=92269 |
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| 10:31.15 | Eagleman | I restarted /etc/init.d/networking, and somehow it flushed my route table, any idea how to get it back? |
| 10:31.53 | themill | wishes people would stop thinking that "restart" was a valid action for networking |
| 10:32.16 | Eagleman | WHat is valid then? |
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| 10:32.55 | themill | It's meaningless to "restart" networking. Do what you actually want to do -- take an interface down/up, flush iptables rules, add/remove routes. |
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| 10:33.12 | dacer | how can I check server is allowing restart? |
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| 10:33.14 | jmg | hi all |
| 10:33.20 | dacer | there are some server info and configurations: http://pastebin.com/DpAHbQyj |
| 10:33.22 | jmg | does anyone remember ian murdock's nick? |
| 10:33.29 | Eagleman | well, every route is flushed now. and they are not getting auto added |
| 10:33.39 | Eagleman | ANy idea how to get them back? |
| 10:33.44 | themill | Eagleman: how did you add them the first time? |
| 10:33.51 | Eagleman | i didnt |
| 10:34.31 | Eagleman | it should be done automaticly |
| 10:35.06 | Eagleman | i guess debian should fill the routing table |
| 10:35.29 | themill | no |
| 10:36.38 | Eagleman | ifup eth0 eth1 solved it for now.. |
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| 10:40.01 | jelly | It's meaningless to "restart" networking. # only if you're called Md :-| |
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| 10:42.58 | t4nk385 | hi |
| 10:43.15 | t4nk385 | not getting any sound |
| 10:43.49 | Armand | not getting any useful info... |
| 10:43.54 | Armand | O_o |
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| 10:55.35 | zetheroo | has anyone installed qemu 1.2.2 on a Debian Wheezy system? |
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| 11:00.06 | tdn | I have a complete disk image (dd if=/dev/sda of=foo.bin) that contains several partitions and LVM logical volumes on which there are ext4 filesystems. How do I mount one of the filesystems on this diskimage? I assume I have to use a loopback device somehow, but I am not sure how to do it when I have the entire device as an image and not just one filesystem. |
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| 11:06.05 | frostschutz | tdn: losetup -f --show /path/to/yourimage (that prints the loop device it's using), then kpartx -a /dev/loopx, then you should have /dev/mapper/loopxp1 p2 p3 p4 partitions, and vgscan may find your LVM there |
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| 11:07.34 | frostschutz | tdn: not sure if debian has kpartx or partx or partprobe or some another alternative that maps partitions, there are several of those for some reason |
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| 11:12.12 | dokma | is it possible to swap disk designators? I need to swap sdb and sdc?? |
| 11:13.26 | themill | what are you really trying to do? |
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| 11:14.32 | dokma | themill: have the disks designated the same way as in the old system |
| 11:14.50 | dokma | instead of reconfiguring everything |
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| 11:15.24 | themill | UUIDs ftw |
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| 11:15.56 | ashmvy | I have connected to my server via ssh and create a process , but suddenly my internet connection disconnected. I know that process going on, but how can restore previous session to see the progress of it? |
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| 11:18.17 | frenbu | ashmvy: you can use 'screen' to manage virtual terminal sessions |
| 11:19.23 | ectospasm | I've been transitioning to tmux instead |
| 11:19.32 | ectospasm | less weirdness |
| 11:19.45 | frenbu | instead of screen? |
| 11:20.00 | ectospasm | I've had screen behave strangely with some keyboard layouts |
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| 11:20.18 | ectospasm | tmux is more orthogonal, from what I gather. |
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| 11:26.21 | zorg1 | Hello I asking you if you have experienced with isci target on linux because the max speed I can get is 100 MB/S throught iscsi over 500 MB/S direct on the disk |
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| 11:27.16 | Serano | Eagleman do /etc/rc.d/init.d/nscd restart |
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| 11:29.38 | Eagleman | only /etc/init.d/nscd |
| 11:29.39 | Eagleman | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:29.54 | Serano | oh sry my bad |
| 11:30.03 | Serano | that's the one |
| 11:30.13 | Serano | restarting that should clear the cache |
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| 11:51.23 | videl | Guys, I have a problem with Apache config. Is there a dedicated apache channel? I tried #apache2, but to no use |
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| 11:52.52 | babilen | videl: #httpd |
| 11:53.17 | babilen | videl: Also "/msg alis help" |
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| 11:54.19 | videl | Thanks |
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| 11:56.27 | videl | I can't speak over there.. |
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| 11:57.23 | themill | videl: you need to register and identify with nickserv. /msg nickserv help register |
| 11:57.38 | videl | Alright, thanks |
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| 11:59.29 | Agiofws | hello |
| 11:59.57 | Agiofws | i THINK i have squeeze version of debian how do i upgrade to wheezy ? |
| 12:00.21 | Agiofws | look @ www.imagebin.org/242489 |
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| 12:00.58 | themill | dpkg: tell Agiofws about squeeze->wheezy |
| 12:01.18 | Agiofws | agiofws@ixus:~$ cat /etc/debian_version |
| 12:01.19 | Agiofws | 6.0.6 |
| 12:01.21 | ompaul | Agiofws: one assumes you have a full complete install of squeeze |
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| 12:08.45 | Agiofws | themill, how does this look look @ www.imagebin.org/242491 ? |
| 12:09.39 | themill | Agiofws: we've asked you before to use paste.debian.net |
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| 12:10.07 | Agiofws | ok |
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| 12:15.07 | vbcv | has anyone seen lsblk giving wrong information about the partition and mount point ? |
| 12:15.55 | SgrA | http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=92269 |
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| 12:16.32 | Agiofws | themill, http://paste.debian.net/223693/ is this ok to upgrade from squeeze to wheezy ? |
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| 12:17.57 | Eagleman | Serano: enable-cache hosts no |
| 12:18.08 | Eagleman | Looks like dns is not cached |
| 12:18.09 | themill | Agiofws: there is no "wheezy-backports" yet so that line will just generate errors. |
| 12:19.21 | Agiofws | all the othre lines are ok themill ? |
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| 12:28.46 | caravel | \o/ hello |
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| 12:28.53 | caravel | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.6-live/amd64/iso-hybrid/ |
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| 12:29.06 | _sYnfo | So I have a deian headless box that only has no PS2 ports and I don't have any USB keyboard AND I was tweaking network settings and now it fails to bring eth0 up, meaning I can't connect with ssh. Is there some extremely clever way to get it working again without a keyboard? |
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| 12:29.16 | caravel | [...] Are there missing SHA in there ? (.sign & SHA512*) |
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| 12:30.42 | caravel | _sYnfo: serial, but your box seem to have none either? :p |
| 12:31.31 | nkuttler | only has no PS2 ports? |
| 12:31.46 | _sYnfo | You guessed it! It's one of those HP MicroServers |
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| 12:31.55 | _sYnfo | *has no PS2 |
| 12:31.55 | caravel | meant "only has PS2 ports" I assume |
| 12:31.56 | Stealth`Wind`Mob | ciao |
| 12:32.08 | _sYnfo | No, no, no, only USB :) |
| 12:32.17 | nkuttler | _sYnfo: getting a USB keyboard sounds like the easiest solution |
| 12:32.38 | nkuttler | considering that alternate access methods would have to be configured first anyway |
| 12:32.45 | _sYnfo | Right |
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| 12:33.19 | _sYnfo | Now that I think about it I could connect the hdd to my desktop and rewrite the config from there maybe |
| 12:33.36 | meti | _sYnfo: if it has whole disk encryption & remote unlock you can ssh into the initrd dropbear session |
| 12:33.37 | nkuttler | getting a keyboard still sounds easier |
| 12:33.41 | meti | and maybe recover it from there |
| 12:33.51 | caravel | side thought: I use dropbear to unlock LUKS, and that did allow me to chroot the system too in the past |
| 12:33.58 | caravel | meti was faster :) |
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| 12:34.40 | _sYnfo | No encryption unfortunately! I'm not even sure I know what dropbear is to be honest ^^ |
| 12:34.50 | meti | a small ssh server |
| 12:35.05 | _sYnfo | Oh I see, well I use openssh, if that's the same thing |
| 12:35.10 | caravel | no |
| 12:35.12 | _sYnfo | Oh |
| 12:35.27 | meti | dropbear is useful when resources are very limited |
| 12:35.31 | meti | like embedded systems or initrd |
| 12:35.45 | _sYnfo | I see |
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| 12:37.23 | caravel | nkuttler: being curious, what other "harder" solution would there be ? |
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| 12:37.51 | caravel | oh, usbnet might help as an alternative too _sYnfo |
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| 12:37.58 | nkuttler | caravel: i'm lazy, i normally don't think past a perfectly valid simple solution |
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| 12:38.20 | caravel | _sYnfo: (but again you need to set it first ;-) |
| 12:38.24 | caravel | nkuttler: right :D |
| 12:38.52 | nkuttler | you could also use butterflies |
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| 12:39.25 | meti | _sYnfo: so eth0 doesn't go up or it's only misconfigured? |
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| 12:39.55 | meti | if misconfigured, misconfigure another computer to be in the same subnet of the server and ssh into it :D |
| 12:40.51 | _sYnfo | caravel: I don't think that would help, would it? I mean ethernet is fine, it's just the configuration. |
| 12:40.55 | _sYnfo | meti: ^^ |
| 12:41.13 | _sYnfo | meti: Well it says it failed to bring up eth0 |
| 12:41.25 | meti | ok, buy a cheap usb keyboard :) |
| 12:41.32 | _sYnfo | meti: I was playing with the config, not a wise thing to do over ssh obviously |
| 12:42.07 | caravel | _sYnfo: if you had set it up, then you could connect to repair your ethX |
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| 12:43.20 | _sYnfo | Oh, I think I see what you mean, yes |
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| 12:56.40 | PhoenixSTF | hey guys I got my home server with Debian, and I get this weird thing on kernel log "Phoenix BIOS detected: BIOS may corrupt low RAM, working around it.". Occasionally my server just freezes out of no reason, possibly a BIOS problem, although it is already on the latest version. |
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| 13:00.48 | DelphiWorld | hi all |
| 13:00.52 | DelphiWorld | i'm trying to mount a partition |
| 13:00.57 | DelphiWorld | that was part of a lvm |
| 13:01.01 | DelphiWorld | mount: unknown filesystem type 'LVM2_member' |
| 13:01.11 | DelphiWorld | how to fix this ? |
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| 13:04.53 | ChrisH | DelphiWorld: use LVM... as the partition seems to be part of LVM |
| 13:05.15 | DelphiWorld | ChrisH: how to use it please? what package? |
| 13:05.47 | ChrisH | what does blkid /dev/DISK show? replace DISK with your partition |
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| 13:06.25 | DelphiWorld | ChrisH: hold on |
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| 13:08.03 | DelphiWorld | ok, ChrisH: /dev/sdc1: UUID="317efae0-a552-4f08-9b92-e690ee8b1468" SEC_TYPE="ext2" TYPE="ext |
| 13:08.03 | DelphiWorld | 3" |
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| 13:08.47 | DelphiWorld | no no |
| 13:08.50 | ChrisH | DelphiWorld: then please pastebin your mount command incl. the system response to paste.debian.net |
| 13:08.53 | DelphiWorld | sory ChrisH |
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| 13:09.07 | DelphiWorld | ChrisH: it's sdc2 |
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| 13:11.19 | ChrisH | waiting for blkid outpout |
| 13:12.00 | DelphiWorld | ChrisH: yeah ;-) hold:P |
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| 13:15.44 | GhostInTheShell | ls |
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| 13:15.51 | GhostInTheShell | oops |
| 13:15.56 | DelphiWorld | ChrisH, mounted:-P |
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| 13:17.18 | DelphiWorld | ChrisH: was /dev/pve/root |
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| 13:25.14 | ChrisH | DelphiWorld:OK... welcome to the LVM World |
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| 13:33.39 | _sYnfo | http://paste.debian.net/223704/ Does this interfaces config looks alright? I'm editing it over ssh and I would want it to be wrong (again) |
| 13:36.14 | nkuttler | _sYnfo: fwiw.. when doing remote network stuff i do everything by hand (ifconfig etc) and have a cronjob that restarts the networking |
| 13:37.15 | X-trem3 | _sYnfo: it looks okay |
| 13:37.17 | _sYnfo | Ohhh, I was wondering how to do it more safely, thanks |
| 13:38.32 | _sYnfo | Specifying wrong netmask should keep it from going up, right? Because I think I configured it the same way last time and it did not go up |
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| 13:38.44 | _sYnfo | *shoudln;t |
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| 13:40.15 | abrotman | _sYnfo: it could prevent it from working correctly |
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| 13:42.05 | _sYnfo | abrotman: Right, but it wouldn't print "Failed to bring up eth0" at starup, right? I'm trying to figure out what went wrong last time |
| 13:42.49 | abrotman | not likely |
| 13:42.59 | abrotman | unless it is malformed |
| 13:43.02 | X-trem3 | _sYnfo: the netmask is correct. I believe setting a wrong netmask should block the if from going up (ie setting the gw in a range outside the class) |
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| 13:43.52 | _sYnfo | nkuttler: So if I understand correctly, what you do is you set up cron to reaload network config from the interfaces file every, say, 5 minutes, and then you use ifconfig etc to do what you want to do and then, if it works correctly you modify interfaces accordingly? |
| 13:44.45 | _sYnfo | X-trem3: Oh, ok |
| 13:45.17 | nkuttler | _sYnfo: well i used to do that, yes. of course nowadays i configure everything correctly from the start ;) |
| 13:45.24 | _sYnfo | ^^ |
| 13:45.28 | _sYnfo | Not quite there yet |
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| 14:10.36 | xaxo | hi, i'm having trouble partitioning the disk via a preceding file |
| 14:10.40 | xaxo | can somebody help me? |
| 14:11.09 | Towzzer | what is a preceding file? |
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| 14:12.09 | babilen | Towzzer: preseeding (cf "/msg dpkg preseeding") |
| 14:12.16 | xaxo | Towzzer: preseeding file is used for automatic install by the debian-installer so that you don't have to answer settings |
| 14:12.27 | babilen | xaxo: More information about your actual problem might help |
| 14:12.29 | Towzzer | ok, thanks |
| 14:12.35 | SiDz | someone deleted my /etc/apache2, so i dpkg --purge apache2 and reinstall it |
| 14:12.43 | SiDz | but /etc/apache2 still not there |
| 14:12.46 | SiDz | any clue? |
| 14:12.50 | babilen | dpkg: tell SiDz -about confmiss |
| 14:12.53 | babilen | dpkg: tell SiDz -about confnew |
| 14:13.04 | Towzzer | also you probably want apt-get purge apache2 |
| 14:13.07 | Towzzer | that cleans up configuration files |
| 14:13.10 | xaxo | babilen: here is a screenshot of the debug console http://imageshack.us/a/img145/3426/partmanerror.png |
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| 14:13.25 | xaxo | the installer says that it failed to partition the disk |
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| 14:13.53 | SiDz | thanks babilen |
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| 14:14.10 | babilen | xaxo: I have to confess that I am not intimately familiar with preseeding and partitioning schemes. All I was trying to say was that "I'm having trouble partitioning" is quite a vague statement and that further details might help. |
| 14:14.13 | SiDz | and Towzzer |
| 14:14.19 | xaxo | babilen: here is a screenshot of the recipe file created by the installer from my preseeding file http://imageshack.us/a/img255/2864/partmanerror2.png |
| 14:14.47 | xaxo | babilen: ok :) |
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| 14:15.41 | dcherniv | xaxo, looks like it has problems reading that space there in METAGET |
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| 14:16.08 | babilen | xaxo: Somebody else in here might know -- If not you can always try the mailing list or #debian-boot on irc.oftc.net (before you do that /please/ check that you've done everything you can think of) |
| 14:16.18 | franco00 | I am in bash. I would like to do "remind folder (date +%F)" (so to speak, 'expand' date +%F). What's the way to do it? |
| 14:16.25 | babilen | dcherniv: But let me take a look at it. We might be able to figure out the problem. |
| 14:16.52 | babilen | xaxo: It is also nicer to have information on http://paste.debian.net rather than a screenshot (if possible) |
| 14:17.02 | dcherniv | franco00, put date in `` |
| 14:17.15 | dcherniv | franco00, ie remind folder `date +%F` |
| 14:17.21 | franco00 | thanks |
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| 14:18.18 | babilen | xaxo: Well, the issue is clearly that the expert_recipe "my" is somehow wrong and cannot be found/used ... Question is why |
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| 14:18.59 | babilen | xaxo: Could you paste your preseeding configuration file to http://paste.debian.net ? |
| 14:19.02 | xaxo | dcherniv: here is my preseeding file http://paste.debian.net/plain/223718 |
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| 14:20.07 | babilen | xaxo: It also looks as if you should specify "string" at the beginning of the expert_recipe, but lets check your preseeding file |
| 14:20.31 | xaxo | babilen: http://paste.debian.net/plain/223718 |
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| 14:21.21 | xaxo | is there a way I can invoke partman with the recipe from a terminal? |
| 14:21.50 | xaxo | I'm playing now in virtualbox and it is annoying to wait for everything to download before netboot gets to the partitioning part |
| 14:22.18 | xaxo | and it would be nice if I can test recipes from the command line somehow without the need of reboot |
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| 14:24.02 | babilen | xaxo: Oh, and you seem to be discussing this in #debian-boot already |
| 14:24.34 | xaxo | babilen: nobody seems to be answering there :) |
| 14:24.55 | xaxo | that's why i came here |
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| 14:25.52 | babilen | xaxo: is the 300% intentional? |
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| 14:26.34 | xaxo | babilen: i took it form some boot-root example http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/apbs04.html.en#preseed-bootloader |
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| 14:27.10 | xaxo | babilen: i have a more complicated partitioning scheme that i want to accomplish, but i don't seem to be able to get these simple examples working …. :( |
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| 14:28.54 | NotJimCarrey | i'm trying to install sid on an external usb hard drive and i get stuck at grub loading, please wait |
| 14:29.45 | NotJimCarrey | from everything i've read, it should work, but can't get past that |
| 14:30.01 | NotJimCarrey | i even disconnected every drive (including internal) during install |
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| 14:31.12 | X-trem3 | NotJimCarrey: 1. Are you positive you're not Jim Carrey? 2. So should we wait too? |
| 14:31.41 | NotJimCarrey | 1. yes, i'm positive |
| 14:31.46 | NotJimCarrey | 2. if you want |
| 14:32.18 | X-trem3 | NotJimCarrey: grub loading means your hard drive at least works, that has an active partition and that it's loading the stage 1 |
| 14:32.29 | jhutchins_wk | NotJimCarrey: It depends on how the BIOS presents the drive. It has to be set to boot to that device. |
| 14:32.40 | NotJimCarrey | yeah, grub is loaded on /dev/sda1 |
| 14:32.51 | babilen | xaxo: Yeah, I see what you mean. I am really not sure and your recipe (at least) looks completely fine (it /is/ the exact example except s/boot-root/my/ ... Which version of Debian are you installing? |
| 14:33.23 | X-trem3 | it's possible that you have a problem with the drive mapping in grub's config |
| 14:33.26 | NotJimCarrey | jhutchins_wk, know how to tell what the bios is presenting it as? |
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| 14:33.48 | jhutchins_wk | NotJimCarrey: Nope. Local function. |
| 14:33.57 | NotJimCarrey | i'd order another internal drive, but the take about a month to get here |
| 14:33.58 | jhutchins_wk | !fixgrub |
| 14:33.58 | dpkg | To reinstall <GRUB> boot to your Debian install disk/live CD, switch to the other console (Alt-F2), then mount your root filesystem (mount -t ext2 /dev/whatever /target ; mount --bind /dev /target/dev ; mount -t proc none /target/proc ; mount -t sysfs none /target/sys), then chroot into it (chroot /target) and run "update-grub && grub-install /dev/whatever". See also <rescue mode>, <dual boot guide>, <supergrub>. |
| 14:34.08 | jhutchins_wk | Hm, that's not it. |
| 14:34.13 | NotJimCarrey | lol |
| 14:34.39 | jhutchins_wk | NotJimCarrey: If you google for how to fix grub, you should find articles that tell you how to use the search function to locate the device that has the kernel image. |
| 14:35.17 | xaxo | babilen: i am using the following installer http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/dists/squeeze/main/installer-amd64/current/images/netboot/netboot.tar.gz so i asuume i am installing squeeze amd64 |
| 14:35.19 | babilen | NotJimCarrey: grub is typically installed to the MBR and not a partition (i.e. /dev/sda and not /dev/sda1 for example) |
| 14:35.32 | babilen | xaxo: yeah (just checking) |
| 14:35.39 | NotJimCarrey | jhutchins_wk, if i go to rescue, and it shows it as /dev/sdq, is that what grub should be set to? |
| 14:36.45 | babilen | xaxo: The line is pretty long -- I have no idea if that influences the bahviour, but it might. Another thing is that you set d-i partman-auto/choose_recipe select my before specifying the recipe ... you might have to change the order, but lets check that. |
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| 14:38.08 | xaxo | babilen: i've read somewhere that the preseeding file should not contain more than one space/tab at a time so i have the recipe in a separate file and sed&&tr to get the one-liner with no nore that one space a time |
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| 14:38.19 | xaxo | babilen: but i'll check the order in a second |
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| 14:39.03 | babilen | xaxo: Looking at http://www.debian.org/releases/squeeze/example-preseed.txt and in particular the documentation for choose_recipe I get the impression that choose_recipe is simply used to select between atomic, home and multi. And /should not/ be used if you specify a recipe yourself (via expert_recipe) |
| 14:39.17 | jhutchins_wk | NotJimCarrey: You are better off consulting the grub documentation than relying on my memory. I'm still short one cup of coffee this morning, and considering a nap instead. |
| 14:39.44 | babilen | xaxo: The line is broken with \ -- Check the example at http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/apbs04.html.en#preseed-bootloader for expert_recipe |
| 14:39.45 | NotJimCarrey | lol, thanks though |
| 14:40.30 | xaxo | babilen: different sources over the internet say that i should use the select and different sources over the internet say spaces are quite important :) therefore I wanted t go safe and use a one-liner |
| 14:40.32 | babilen | xaxo: Could you try commenting "d-i partman-auto/choose_recipe my" in your preseeding file please |
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| 14:41.13 | xaxo | babilen: yes, just a moment, the order does not seem to influence the behaviour, I get the same error if i put it after the recipe definition |
| 14:42.34 | xaxo | the thing is that it takes some seconds after i reboot until the installer downloads and installs all the needed packages ….. i didn't find a way to test it without rebooting every time :( it kind of sucks a lot |
| 14:43.02 | babilen | xaxo: Ack, just something that popped into my mind. I have the strong impression that you would only use choose_recipe to switch between one of the three predefined schemes, but that you would /not/ use it if you want to specify one with expert_recipe -- The error that you get is therefore rather that "choose_recipe my" does not work because "my" is not in the list of "atomic multi home" (i.e. not one of the standard/predefined ones valid for ... |
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| 14:43.07 | babilen | ... "choose_recipe") |
| 14:43.08 | babilen | xaxo: At least that is my current theory |
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| 14:45.10 | babilen | xaxo: That contradicts http://cptyesterday.wordpress.com/2012/06/17/notes-on-using-expert_recipe-in-debianubuntu-preseed-files/ for example, but meh ... |
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| 14:46.26 | babilen | xaxo: And you tested switching the order of choose_recipe and expert_recipe already, didn't you? (that is expert_recipe definition before choose_recipt, still fails with the same error) |
| 14:46.42 | xaxo | babilen: if i comment the choose_recipe it gives me an error again |
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| 14:47.02 | xaxo | babilen: i tested with switched order too, no difference |
| 14:47.55 | xaxo | babilen: do you know if i can install squeeze with the testing netboot installer? I might try that one, there are some nasty bugs in this one |
| 14:47.57 | babilen | xaxo: You get the identical error (i.e. "METAGET my description"\n <-- 10 my doesn't exist") in both cases? |
| 14:48.29 | xaxo | babilen: i need to specify the keymap hostname, domain and other stuff via pxe and cannot preseed…. |
| 14:48.31 | babilen | xaxo: You can use the testing installer, yes. Which nasty bugs are you referring to? |
| 14:50.09 | xaxo | babilen: i get the same error if i remove choose_recipe and if i switch order |
| 14:50.35 | xaxo | babilen: do you know what do i need to specify in the preseeding file to install squeeze with the testing installer? |
| 14:51.41 | babilen | xaxo: And do you use expert_recipe_file (as in your screenshot) or expert_recipe (as in your preseeding file) -- this doesn't match |
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| 14:52.40 | xaxo | babilen: I use expert_recipe and it seems to export in in that file /tmp/expert_recipe and load if from there :) it's quite funny |
| 14:52.48 | babilen | xaxo: The installer might do that internally though |
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| 14:52.51 | xaxo | babilen: i have not specified any files |
| 14:52.57 | babilen | yeah, that was my impression after staring at it for a while |
| 14:53.09 | babilen | interesting, and not very enlightening ... |
| 14:53.29 | babilen | xaxo: But I found the error now, I think |
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| 14:53.47 | xaxo | babilen: ? |
| 14:54.37 | babilen | xaxo: Hmm, no. I thought about the line length and in your first screenshot it looks as if "expert_recipe" is being truncated at "filesystem {ext3" -- the actual file is correct though |
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| 14:55.05 | babilen | xaxo: You might want to still give breaking that line into multiple ones (by using \) a try ... |
| 14:55.13 | xaxo | babilen: yes, that's why i took a look at the file and posted a screenshot :) |
| 14:55.13 | babilen | sorry, that might just as well be a wild good chase |
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| 14:55.59 | xaxo | babilen: i will send an email to debian-boot@lists.debian.org to ask for help, i need some way to test this without rebooting every time…. |
| 14:56.02 | babilen | xaxo: I think that I have to conclude that you might need help from somebody who actually knows about this and not from one who is simply good at triaging a bug or readind documentation |
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| 14:56.32 | xaxo | babilen: thank you though :) |
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| 14:57.03 | babilen | xaxo: Sorry, it might have been easy, but I just don't see it right now and think that we would be wasting our time. Writing to the mailing list or asking explicitly "Why is PASTE_OF_preseed.conf resulting in ERROR?" in debian-boot might be an idea |
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| 15:06.04 | yeehi | is it possible to have the libre linux kernel used as the default during installation of stable? |
| 15:06.25 | jhutchins_wk | yeehi: Libre? |
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| 15:07.20 | yeehi | yes, the linux kernel with no binary blobs, jhutchins_wk |
| 15:07.29 | yeehi | it is fully free |
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| 15:11.02 | jhutchins_wk | yeehi: I believe that's the default. |
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| 15:12.52 | xaxo | babilen: do you know how i can install squeeze using the testing installer? |
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| 15:14.21 | babilen | xaxo: You will be asked during the expert install. No idea how to preseed that |
| 15:14.39 | xaxo | babilen: ok, thank yo |
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| 15:29.46 | babilen | hje841: try #c++ ? |
| 15:29.56 | babilen | ##c++ that is |
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| 15:31.06 | dulio | C##? : > |
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| 15:35.10 | caraconan | Hi all. I'm getting random ;; Got recursion not available from 192.168.1.1, trying next server |
| 15:35.24 | caraconan | It's a VM, and 192.168.1.1 is the router on the LAN |
| 15:35.25 | trist4n | try enabling recursion |
| 15:35.37 | caraconan | Where? Client or DNS server? |
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| 15:35.58 | caraconan | DNS server is a 'limited' ISP router, and I doubt it's possible |
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| 15:37.35 | caraconan | Anyway, I set up directly the ISP one. Thanks |
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| 15:44.53 | icedwater | I can't get outbound SSH to work properly using the repository versions of openSSH, but putty works. |
| 15:45.17 | Rockj | Q: what magic do I need to do to get scroll lock to work in rxvt? |
| 15:45.23 | icedwater | Is there any way for me to install the Ubuntu versions of the required packages, and what are the risks? |
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| 15:45.46 | icedwater | Or maybe I should just compile a new openSSH from source and see what happens with that.. |
| 15:45.52 | ChrisH | icedwater: Ubuntu packages on Debian boxes are not supported and should be avoided. |
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| 15:46.24 | icedwater | ChrisH: I would have guessed as much. Mixing dependencies might mess up the other installed packages. |
| 15:46.49 | ChrisH | Lets see why ssh does not work first. Can you describe what you do and what does not work, best including ssh -vv pastebin'ed to paste.debian.net |
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| 15:47.14 | icedwater | OK. Hang on. |
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| 15:48.13 | xaxo | babilen: btw i think i found the relevant pieces of source code, now i need to take a look at what's happening, but the copy in that hardcoded text file is here: http://paste.debian.net/223741/ |
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| 15:59.36 | icedwater | ChrisH: should I paste it to you in a /msg? |
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| 16:00.05 | ChrisH | icedwater: to http://paste.debian.net then others can check, too |
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| 16:00.26 | icedwater | Yes, but I put it into a hidden paste. |
| 16:00.33 | icedwater | Oh well :P http://paste.debian.net/hidden/6923cbcb/ it is then. |
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| 16:00.36 | ChrisH | icedwater: Do you have access to the sshd side, too? |
| 16:00.49 | zetheroo | how do you install glib-2.12 in wheezy? |
| 16:01.07 | babilen | xaxo: Good idea |
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| 16:02.11 | icedwater | Yes, what should I be pasting there? |
| 16:02.40 | ChrisH | icedwater: Line 20+ suggest you put a SSH2 key into /home/iced/.ssh/id_rsa |
| 16:03.08 | icedwater | Hmm. I shouldn't be? |
| 16:03.32 | jelly | zetheroo: there's 2.32.x, what do you need 2.12 for? |
| 16:03.59 | icedwater | Would it fix matters if I generated a new pair of keys? |
| 16:04.02 | zetheroo | jelly: I am trying to install qemu from source and it's asking for it |
| 16:04.32 | ChrisH | icedwater: creating a new pair on the client side and transfering it to the server side should improve it :) |
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| 16:05.01 | icedwater | Let me use putty to remove the errant key first. |
| 16:05.15 | marvinstuart | http://youtu.be/Utom_BHcQv0 this is why i bought the apm2.5 |
| 16:05.27 | zetheroo | jelly: how do you install any version of glib? |
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| 16:06.01 | jelly | zetheroo: if you're building stuff from source, you need -dev packages installed for that. |
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| 16:07.01 | jelly | zetheroo: if however you're building a tool that's already available in debian with an older version, you can get all the needed -dev packages in a shorter way |
| 16:07.21 | jelly | dpkg, tell zetheroo about deb-src |
| 16:07.29 | jelly | dpkg, tell zetheroo about build-dep |
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| 16:08.10 | zetheroo | jelly: the lastest version of qemu in Debian is 1.1.2 ... is this right? |
| 16:08.20 | jelly | ,v qemu |
| 16:08.23 | judd | Package: qemu on i386 -- lenny: 0.9.1-10lenny1; lenny-security: 0.9.1-10lenny1; squeeze: 0.12.5+dfsg-3squeeze2; squeeze-security: 0.12.5+dfsg-3squeeze2; squeeze-backports: 1.0+dfsg-3~bpo60+1+b1; squeeze-backports: 1.1.2+dfsg-2~bpo60+1; wheezy: 1.1.2+dfsg-3; sid: 1.1.2+dfsg-4; experimental: 1.3.0+dfsg-1~exp3 |
| 16:08.41 | icedwater | ChrisH: I have moved authorized_keys to aukeys. It should not look at my keys now, right? |
| 16:08.41 | jelly | zetheroo: it seems there's a 1.3.0 in experimental. |
| 16:08.55 | icedwater | The timeout issue still occurs. |
| 16:08.59 | ChrisH | icedwater: yes. ssh -v will show it |
| 16:09.32 | zetheroo | jelly: do I need to add a repo to the sources.list file to be able to use that? |
| 16:09.45 | icedwater | The unknown key type line still shows up. |
| 16:10.25 | icedwater | But why is it putty has no problems authenticating? |
| 16:10.32 | jelly | zetheroo: /msg dpkg experimental |
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| 16:11.24 | zetheroo | jelly: or is using experimental stuff not a good idea? |
| 16:11.25 | jelly | zetheroo: basically, those are known to be broken in some way. |
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| 16:11.45 | ChrisH | icedwater: can you pastebin ssh -vv once more incl. file KEYFILE and the first 4 lines from key file (this should include only the first line from key) |
| 16:12.00 | zetheroo | jelly: ok .. and there are no debian packages for qemu 1.2 |
| 16:12.02 | zetheroo | ? |
| 16:12.11 | jelly | zetheroo: [experimental] if you're experienced in fixing package problems, you might try using it and see how it works (or how it breaks) |
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| 16:12.40 | jelly | zetheroo: the bot listed the versions available above, that's all I know |
| 16:13.06 | icedwater | KEYFILE would be id_rsa right? |
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| 16:15.36 | ChrisH | icedwater: if -t rsa, then yes |
| 16:16.24 | icedwater | Hmm, I am watching it time out again. I see it also tried dsa. |
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| 16:17.15 | icedwater | Which did not exist. |
| 16:17.18 | ChrisH | icedwater: you created the key using ssh-keygen not Putty?! |
| 16:18.12 | icedwater | Yeah, the key was created a long time ago. Which is why I'm a bit reluctant to generate a new set, I can't remember where it's been used :P |
| 16:18.21 | icedwater | Also, http://paste.debian.net/hidden/a6e81b86/ |
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| 16:22.21 | icedwater | It's kind of annoying because the same timeouts occur when I try to pull from git. |
| 16:22.51 | ChrisH | icedwater: see line 105- id_rsa was send but rejected from sshd. Please check /var/log/auth.log (assuming debian on server side) for hints |
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| 16:24.24 | icedwater | Wait, right, I don't have access to sshd. For some reason I thought you meant sshd on my box, but that doesn't make sense in context :/ |
| 16:24.53 | icedwater | So apparently that server seems to be rejecting RSA keys, would be your guess? |
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| 16:27.40 | ChrisH | icedwater: did you verify our pub Key is in the authorized_keys on the serverside? |
| 16:27.44 | icedwater | The CJB shell I logged on to is FreeBSD 9. |
| 16:27.47 | icedwater | Yes, it was. |
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| 16:27.56 | icedwater | Let me check if it is the same one. |
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| 16:30.04 | icedwater | Yup, it is the same. |
| 16:30.43 | icedwater | I have not been able to log in from Debian/openSSH5.5, regardless of host. |
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| 16:32.47 | ChrisH | server side is FreeBSD, never had sshd issues with sshd on *BSD... a few with Solaris and Windows |
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| 16:37.13 | icedwater | Interesting. |
| 16:38.01 | Shu | Oh my god why is it so unnececerily complex to get a sane mail server running using virtual users |
| 16:39.03 | Shu | and even after I told Debian not to overwrite my config |
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| 16:39.05 | Shu | it did it anyways |
| 16:39.06 | Shu | cute. |
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| 16:42.08 | themill | Shu: precisely what config file got overwritten by what? |
| 16:42.27 | Shu | themill, Apparently it didn't, it just modified the protocols line.. |
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| 16:44.43 | Shu | themill, I don't see how you or anyone else can STAND setting these things up though. I don't mind much anything else. But getting a sane mail server set up is just lunacy |
| 16:44.59 | Shu | Hundreds if not thousands of lines of configuration to go through depending on the MTA you use just to get a single, simple, setup |
| 16:45.04 | Shu | Whhhhhhyyyyyyyyyyy? |
| 16:45.05 | themill | it's about 2 lines of config for postfix. |
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| 16:46.23 | Shu | http://www.debuntu.org/how-to-virtual-emails-accounts-with-postfix-and-dovecot/ Using this as a reference, and after I go through the trouble of configuring /everything/, I get this treat from Debian: http://pastie.org/5669020 |
| 16:46.25 | ChesterX | hey everyone, is there any good video tutorial for beginners in debian squeeze server? (please no youtube links since they aren't accessible where I live) |
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| 16:47.35 | themill | Shu: maybe following out of date guides for the wrong versions of the software you're using isn't the best approach. |
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| 16:47.45 | babilen | ChesterX: I would rather recommend to read http://debian-handbook.info/ |
| 16:47.50 | PhoenixSTF | hello, is HPET any good for a linux VPS server box? |
| 16:47.54 | ChesterX | I already got that ;-) |
| 16:48.02 | Shu | themill, So it's not, but I haven't found a single guide out there that doesn't blatantly suck on so many levels |
| 16:48.10 | themill | !tutorials |
| 16:48.10 | dpkg | A very common problem is that some people prefer to follow a step-by-step tutorial that shows them how to setup their system without reading the documentation or understanding what they are doing. If something goes wrong, they have no clue whatsoever about where to look for hints, and they sometimes decide to start from scratch using a different tutorial. This is not The Proper Way. |
| 16:48.11 | Shu | So it's pretty much "shut up and figure it out yourself" |
| 16:48.34 | pythonsnake | anyone use wheezy here? |
| 16:48.49 | Shu | Mail servers are the ONLY thing I've relied on tutorials for because the process is so _overly complex_ |
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| 16:49.40 | ChesterX | Shu, as much as I like your absolutely useless statement. I am not trying to be a dummy here. However, having almost no basic I need some structure and graphical/animated learning has helped me a great deal in the past. So RTFM and so on, aren't helping anyone |
| 16:49.49 | Agiofws | Get:2186 http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/ wheezy/main xfonts-mathml all 6 [42.2 kB] |
| 16:49.55 | Agiofws | Fetched 1,448 MB in 4h 22min 30s (92.0 kB/s) |
| 16:49.55 | Agiofws | E: Could not perform immediate configuration on 'default-jre'. Please see man 5 apt.conf under APT::Immediate-Configure for details. (2) |
| 16:50.11 | Shu | ChesterX, Uhm...? |
| 16:50.16 | Agiofws | is there anything else i should do to upgrade to wheezy ? |
| 16:50.20 | themill | Shu: it's not really complex at all. That said, you might like to look at http://workaround.org/ispmail/squeeze for a well written and well constructed walk through that tries to teach as well as help. |
| 16:50.31 | themill | dpkg: tell Agiofws about immediate-configuration |
| 16:50.47 | cardiel | i have a problem with gnome-terminal. im using gnome-terminal with transparency , but after logout and login again it is not saved , so i have to set it after every reboot/logout. how can i make this setting permanent? |
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| 16:51.06 | BadCodSmell | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.6/i386/iso-cd/ |
| 16:51.12 | BadCodSmell | How do I choose a mirror? |
| 16:51.28 | pythonsnake | can anyone give me his /usr/lib/python2.7/distutils/sysconfig.py if he has one please? |
| 16:52.00 | zykotick9 | Rockj: are you aware of ctrl+s (start) and ctrl+q (stop) for scrolling? TBH, other then not allowing me to type anything, it didn't seem to do anything? |
| 16:52.06 | themill | pythonsnake: it's in the python2.7 package. |
| 16:52.08 | Shu | themill, Maybe not. I just have horrible experience thus far. The last setup I used consisted of exim4 and an abhorrently disgusting amount of configuration that was beyond goddang cryptic |
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| 16:52.20 | pythonsnake | ok thx |
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| 16:52.25 | Shu | I'll shut up and just try and learn postfix and such for a bit now. :l |
| 16:53.28 | damacus | most of postfix you need to do, dpkg-reconfigure postfix will do for you |
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| 16:55.07 | Agiofws | themill, http://www.pasteall.org/38713 what should i do now ... |
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| 16:56.07 | themill | Agiofws: what does "apt-get dist-upgrade" want to do now? |
| 16:56.50 | Budd | I have an Atheros AR9271 USB wireless device, and I can't bring the interface down. |
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| 16:57.34 | Agiofws | themill, http://www.pasteall.org/38714 |
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| 16:57.50 | themill | Agiofws: and... |
| 16:57.51 | Agiofws | continue ? |
| 16:57.54 | themill | sure |
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| 16:57.56 | dawud | Budd: what have you tried? |
| 16:57.59 | zykotick9 | Budd: is it wlan0? as root "ifdown wlan0" fails? with what error? |
| 16:58.03 | Budd | when I 'ifconfig wlan0 down', dmesg logs "wlan0: link is not ready", and ifconfig shows the interface is still/back up. |
| 16:58.26 | Agiofws | E: Could not perform immediate configuration on 'openjdk-6-jre'. Please see man 5 apt.conf under APT::Immediate-Configure for details. (2) ? |
| 16:58.33 | Agiofws | jeez |
| 16:58.34 | dawud | Budd: try zykotick9's suggestion |
| 16:58.57 | Agiofws | remove ? |
| 16:58.58 | Budd | I've commented out wlan0 from /etc/config/interfaces. ifdown wlan0 says: "ifdown: interface wlan0 not configured" |
| 16:59.19 | zykotick9 | Budd: if you've removed the interfaces setup ifup/ifdown won't work. |
| 16:59.29 | ompaul | BadCodSmell: it gets partially chosen when you specify country, then you select which server you want from that |
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| 16:59.50 | Budd | zykotick9: right - but it shouldn't have brought it up on boot, either, right? |
| 16:59.53 | ompaul | BadCodSmell: during an install - later on you put it into your /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 17:00.02 | themill | Agiofws: yep, also try getting rid of gcj-jre if you have that installed atm |
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| 17:00.23 | zykotick9 | Budd: well, i imagine it's in a non-working limbo without any configuration? |
| 17:00.27 | xaxo | babilen: btw i found out what is wrong with my recipe, i am using the lvm partitioner but i don't say that i use a lvm volumes anywhere |
| 17:00.39 | Agiofws | themill, E: Could not perform immediate configuration on 'gcj-4.7-jre'. ? |
| 17:00.48 | ompaul | BadCodSmell: or is this http://www.debian.org/CD/http-ftp/#mirrors |
| 17:00.49 | Agiofws | is this going to go down a rabbit hole ? |
| 17:00.50 | xaxo | babilen: if i change to regular, it works |
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| 17:01.30 | Budd | zykotick9: iwconfig shows it in limbo. ifconfig shows it unconfigured, but nevertheness "up". |
| 17:01.33 | Agiofws | E: Could not perform immediate configuration on 'gcj-4.7-jre'. |
| 17:01.34 | babilen | xaxo: congratualations! |
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| 17:01.51 | Agiofws | root@ixus:/home/agiofws# dpkg -r gcj-4.7-jre |
| 17:01.53 | Agiofws | dpkg: warning: ignoring request to remove gcj-4.7-jre which isn't installed. |
| 17:01.53 | dpkg | Agiofws: You are person #1 to send an unparseable request |
| 17:01.56 | xaxo | babilen: now i have to make lvm volumes work :) |
| 17:01.58 | Agiofws | themill, ^^ ? |
| 17:02.03 | t4nk385 | need help getting audio to work |
| 17:02.07 | zykotick9 | Budd: are you looking at "ifconfig" or "ifconfig -a"? |
| 17:02.11 | Budd | zykotick9: my goal is to get it in ad-hoc mode, but even now it says "device or resource busy" |
| 17:02.31 | babilen | xaxo: congratulations even :) -- I suspected something like this because the error you get /only/ appears in the context of LVM (I used http://codesearch.debian.net/ to search for it) ... sorry, I should have mentioned that |
| 17:02.32 | themill | Agiofws: did you remove gcj-jre? |
| 17:02.46 | Agiofws | so i'm stuck ? have i broke up my system ? |
| 17:02.55 | zykotick9 | Budd: well, i have no knowledge of ad-hoc mode. so best of luck. |
| 17:03.02 | Budd | zykotick9: "ifconfig" and "ifconfig -a" both show wlan0 as up with no IP assigned. |
| 17:03.16 | Agiofws | dpkg: error processing gcj-jre (--remove): |
| 17:03.17 | dpkg | agiofws: That isn't an error, post the whole output to a pastebin (/msg dpkg pastebin). |
| 17:03.20 | Agiofws | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:03.33 | zykotick9 | Budd: ok, just verifying you weren't JUST seeing "ifconfig -a" device ;) |
| 17:03.49 | themill | Agiofws: as dpkg said a while back, you might need to force that removal |
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| 17:04.22 | dawud | Budd: ip addr show wlan0 and ip link set wlan0 down works? |
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| 17:04.49 | Storfiskaren | I've got a problem getting ffmpeg play video again after installing xdvdshrink and k9copy http://pastebin.com/wgS7v9Z4 |
| 17:04.53 | Agiofws | http://www.pasteall.org/38715 themill ? |
| 17:05.21 | Budd | dawud: wlan0: <NO-CARRIER,BROADCAST,MULTICAST,UP> mtu 1500 qdisc mq state DOWN qlen 1000 |
| 17:05.36 | Budd | ...though ifconfig reports it as "UP" |
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| 17:05.49 | themill | Agiofws: what does "aptitude full-upgrade" want to do now? |
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| 17:06.14 | remote | anyone knows if you have to configure support for multiarch to install steam on an amd64 debian? |
| 17:06.32 | themill | dpkg: tell remote about steam |
| 17:07.03 | dawud | Budd: check http://inai.de/2008/02/19 |
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| 17:07.57 | Agiofws | themill, http://www.pasteall.org/38716 |
| 17:08.22 | Agiofws | Y ? |
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| 17:09.06 | b00b | setting up a web server on esxi. going to run debian. what is the best fs if i want to resize it later if needed? |
| 17:09.07 | Budd | damud: thanks, that's a good education against ifconfig. |
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| 17:09.36 | Agiofws | i'm going to press Y |
| 17:09.42 | themill | Agiofws: yeah, I'd accept that now and keep a note of anything in that list that you might want to install again later at the end of the upgrade procedure (like phonon if you're a kde user) |
| 17:09.50 | dawud | Budd: ip link set wlan0 promisc on; ip addr show wlan0 |
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| 17:10.29 | Budd | dawud: 3: wlan0: <NO-CARRIER,BROADCAST,MULTICAST,PROMISC,UP> mtu 1500 qdisc mq state DOWN qlen 1000 |
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| 17:10.39 | Shu | Okay, well, I'm pretty sure I figured out what screwed me up. Is this working as intended? When installing dovecot-imapd, you're essentially installing dovecot 1. However, if you ever attempt to install anything like dovecot-sieve, it requires dovecot-common which essentially installs dovecot 2 over everything |
| 17:10.49 | dawud | Budd: that's the expected output |
| 17:10.55 | Agiofws | themill, http://www.pasteall.org/38717 |
| 17:11.04 | socomm | so valve likes ubuntu |
| 17:11.09 | socomm | interesting |
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| 17:11.18 | themill | Agiofws: what about it? what command generated that? |
| 17:11.41 | dawud | Budd: you can do pretty much everything you need using ip |
| 17:11.50 | Agiofws | the one you gave me and i accepted it |
| 17:11.56 | Shu | Sorry, dovecot-core |
| 17:11.59 | Shu | not dovecot-common |
| 17:12.10 | themill | Agiofws: yes, accept that solution and go for it |
| 17:12.13 | Budd | dawud: what I really want is to get this into ad-hoc mode, but the only mode it accepts is "managed" (the current mode). |
| 17:12.13 | Shu | So does Debian basically have two versions of the same software available under different names..? |
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| 17:13.10 | Budd | dawud: "ibss" and "monitor" tell me "device or resource busy", and "wds" and "mesh" say "not supported" |
| 17:13.10 | Archtivity | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:13.49 | themill | Shu: There's only dovecot 1.2 in squeeze and dovecot 2.1 is in squeeze-backports and wheezy. |
| 17:13.58 | Shu | themill, I /just/ now noticed that |
| 17:14.08 | Shu | Is dovecot-sieve in backports too for some reason..? |
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| 17:14.31 | themill | Shu: sure |
| 17:14.50 | Shu | themill, So is sieve support with dovecot 1 impossible..? |
| 17:15.18 | Agiofws | ok thank you themill i think it upgrading now |
| 17:15.28 | Shu | facedesks |
| 17:15.33 | Agiofws | look @ www.imagebin.org/242517 |
| 17:15.36 | dawud | Budd: does hwinfo --wlan show a module loaded/active? |
| 17:15.43 | themill | Shu: no idea. Never touched dovecot. |
| 17:15.46 | Shu | Okay, hang on. So CMU Sieve and Doevcot Sieve are two different things, so that's not why it's not working |
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| 17:15.51 | Agiofws | its* |
| 17:16.22 | Agiofws | look @ www.imagebin.org/242518 |
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| 17:16.57 | dawud | Budd: also, iwconfig wlan0 mode ad-hoc works for me |
| 17:17.01 | themill | Agiofws: what am I supposed to see in a little red bar? |
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| 17:17.40 | MrJones | can I install to a storage device from where I started the network installer itself? |
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| 17:18.20 | MrJones | so is the network installer fully loaded to memory and I can safely overwrite it in the installation, or will that not work? |
| 17:18.35 | PhoenixSTF | I am trying to install wheezy on a pen thruu netinstall, i am getting errors on base system packages |
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| 17:24.43 | BadCodSmell | How can I get 32bit gcc on 64bit debian? |
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| 17:26.43 | zykotick9 | MrJones: that's not going to work. i've had restart fail, 'cause i pulled the usbkey to quickly. |
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| 17:27.35 | MrJones | ok |
| 17:27.43 | MrJones | can I get a minimal debian armel image onto an sd card? |
| 17:28.02 | MrJones | which boots and opens up ssh with a known password |
| 17:28.26 | MrJones | on ipv4 lan as a regular dhcp'ed client |
| 17:28.45 | MrJones | I think raspbian does it, but I'd rather use standard debian if there is a way to do it |
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| 17:29.19 | BadCodSmell | I have 64bit debian |
| 17:29.26 | BadCodSmell | I want to run 32bit pcsc on it |
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| 17:29.30 | BadCodSmell | is this possible? |
| 17:29.40 | BadCodSmell | I'm using 6..6 |
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| 17:35.06 | Budd | dawud: figured out with help from the wireless folks that I have to create a new ad-hoc interface, then delete the original one before I can join. |
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| 17:35.45 | dawud | Budd: nice |
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| 17:37.39 | sintrix | RPI Armel + Debian Squeeze. I found no package manager. Should I be able to load aptitude? |
| 17:38.15 | babilen | sintrix: Are you using Debian? (or raspbian or ...) |
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| 17:38.29 | sintrix | I believe rhasbian is wheezy |
| 17:38.41 | sintrix | I'm using the older squueeze |
| 17:39.05 | jelly | sintrix: is the apt package installed? |
| 17:39.05 | babilen | sintrix: So you are using pure and original Debian? What happens if you try to run "apt-get" or "aptitude" ? |
| 17:39.08 | themill | sintrix: "apt-get install aptitude" (you'll find that aptitude is not the fastest thing around on an rpi) |
| 17:39.29 | jelly | 512MB RAM ought to be enough for aptitude |
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| 17:39.40 | babilen | sintrix: You will, most likely, have dpkg and apt around. aptitude is not necessarily installed, but you can install it yourself if you want that. |
| 17:39.43 | jelly | (who needs graphics) |
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| 17:40.29 | sintrix | I see |
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| 17:40.43 | jelly | BadCodSmell: what is pcsc? Installing ia32-libs might be enough or it might not |
| 17:40.45 | sintrix | yes i can run apt-get |
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| 17:41.04 | mang0 | Hey all. How can I totally purge X and Xorg etc, then re-install it all, and make it autoconfigure? I messed stuff up, big time...stupid dual monitors. |
| 17:41.48 | sintrix | themill is there another package manager you would reccomend? |
| 17:42.18 | themill | sintrix: there's nothing wrong with apt-get. aptitude will work fine on the rpi, it's just not fast. |
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| 17:42.56 | sintrix | roger that. thank you :) |
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| 17:43.35 | nightolo | anyone running wiki.debian.org here? |
| 17:43.55 | themill | nightolo: unlikely, but you can ask your question anyway |
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| 17:46.20 | cab00t | Guys, I am running Crunchbang Linux and it's all great, but I am considering switching to pure Debian, I hear really good things about it. What would you recommend, is the unstable version "ok" yet? |
| 17:46.44 | engla | do you mean wheezy/testing? |
| 17:46.48 | cab00t | Yes. |
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| 17:46.51 | wilmaaaah | cab00t: unstable isn't supported |
| 17:46.54 | cab00t | I am on a distro based on squeeze atm. |
| 17:47.06 | engla | wheezy is fine |
| 17:47.09 | cab00t | And is there a good guess about when it's gonna become stable? |
| 17:47.18 | cab00t | And supported? |
| 17:47.22 | engla | no good guesses but in a couple of months |
| 17:47.29 | Agiofws | themill, i'm sorry it was a mistake |
| 17:47.40 | cab00t | Let Debian be Debian. ^^ |
| 17:47.43 | engla | more than 3 months from now would be sad.. |
| 17:47.44 | wilmaaaah | cab00t: testing and unstable are rolling releases |
| 17:48.15 | engla | not officially so, so not really. but it's similar |
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| 17:48.30 | cab00t | Wait let me google those terms... ^^ |
| 17:49.01 | engla | cab00t: I think wheezy should be fine for most right now. The problem is the installer might not be (no idea) |
| 17:49.27 | babilen | cab00t: Just give wheezy a try -- You can get an installer with firmware from http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/ (daily or beta4) and I expect wheezy to be released as stable withing 2-5 months. |
| 17:49.28 | cab00t | Ok, thanks for your input guys. |
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| 17:50.03 | cab00t | I don't have a problem with trying, I am just a bit terrified of my system failing at some bad time, as it usually is the case. |
| 17:50.40 | cab00t | Tbh, I don't even understand the differences, still really newbish. |
| 17:50.43 | babilen | cab00t: it is up to you what you do after the release. I wouldn't run the next testing (jessie) directly afterwards (couple of months) because it tends to be very bumpy during that time. (a lot of software is being uploaded and a working testing is not a priority) -- You can also start to track unstbale (sid) at any point, but /right now/ staying with wheezy is the best thing to do. |
| 17:50.47 | engla | a full backup might help the confidence |
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| 17:51.32 | cab00t | I bought an external drive, it's a must... |
| 17:51.45 | cab00t | Gonna back it up tomorrow and then I can play. |
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| 17:52.49 | babilen | cab00t: Just install and run wheezy. That way you can gather experience with a stable and usable system (but mind that wheezy still has bugs! (we would release it otherwise)) -- i would also recommend to read http://debian-handbook.info/ -- If, at any point, you grow tired of wheezy or need newer software or something come back and ask how to proceed. |
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| 17:53.47 | cab00t | babilen, thanks, I already have the handbook, I'm doing my best to learn... Just takes time. :) |
| 17:53.55 | babilen | sure |
| 17:54.05 | RainbowW | is there a way to remap/test sectors on a partition without doing a full format? |
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| 17:54.36 | wols_ | RainbowW: smartmontools |
| 17:54.52 | wols_ | and if there are no more spare blocks to remap to: badblocks |
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| 17:55.30 | RainbowW | wols_ is it necessary to unmount all partitions on the drive? or is it possible to restrict only to known-affected partitions? |
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| 17:56.22 | wols_ | not possible to restrict. try to run it with disks mounted. smartctl doesn't cause any problems: any bad sectors data is already lost and gone, nothing you can do about that |
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| 17:56.54 | wols_ | so hopefully you have backups |
| 17:57.11 | RainbowW | yeah not worried about already-lost data. but the drive also contains my root, and a full reinstall is suboptimal. |
| 17:58.13 | RainbowW | it's the data partition on a torrent box. but other partitions do other things. |
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| 18:00.37 | Seryth | Hey all, I've got a bit of a problem. I'm not sure how, but somehow I managed to break X completely. I'm stuck in TTY now, running "startx" just tells me that there are no screens attached. Help! Debian Wheezy x64. Thanks! |
| 18:00.44 | Seryth | woops. |
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| 18:01.32 | cab00t | Btw, the guys at crunchbang told me I can not install Cinnamon cuz I have gtk2 and I need gtk3? Is that true and is there a way around it? |
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| 18:03.08 | wols_ | Seryth: pastebin your Xorg.0.log |
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| 18:04.04 | Seryth | wols_: coming up |
| 18:04.37 | nightolo | quick question, somewhat related to my previous question: anyone running moinmoin from the latest squeeze package here? |
| 18:04.44 | Seryth | wols_: Just to note, I ran nvidia-xconfig, and it autogenerated a xorg.conf in /etc/X11/. Now X starts, but one of my two monitors is stuck in 640x480... |
| 18:05.02 | wols_ | !tell nightolo about anyone |
| 18:05.21 | wols_ | Seryth: you might be able to fix that with nvidia-settings |
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| 18:06.12 | Seryth | http://paste.debian.net/223796 wols_ I tried nvidia-settings, it's stuck there at 640x480. I also tried xrandr, same thing. |
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| 18:07.12 | nightolo | my real question is the following, if you are running the latest debian version of moinmoin (squeeze), could you please verify that /WikiSandBox?action=twikidraw&do=modify&target=../../../plugin/action/moinexec.py does not work? |
| 18:07.13 | Shu | themill, So, after setting up Postfix, I now believe that I officially hate exim. |
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| 18:09.03 | themill | nightolo: that should have been fixed in the security update for squeeze. See https://security-tracker.debian.org/tracker/source-package/moin for details. |
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| 18:09.58 | nightolo | themill: yes I know that, but it seems that it's not fixed, at least on my server |
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| 18:10.10 | nightolo | so I was wondering if someone with a clean installation coudl verify |
| 18:10.45 | themill | nightolo: what's the output of "apt-cache policy python-moinmoin; apt-cache policy" |
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| 18:12.01 | nightolo | I have security.debian.org and no pinned packages; additionally: teh version I have installed of moinmoin is the latest one (the one in teh DSA advisory); additionally I've checked twikidraw.py and it contains the fixes |
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| 18:13.26 | decci | May I know how can I setup RAID 10 on Debian |
| 18:13.34 | decci | Is it possible to achieve? |
| 18:14.03 | Seryth | wols_: Any ideas? |
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| 18:15.43 | decci | Does debian kernel support RAID over RAID config |
| 18:15.49 | wols_ | Seryth: you probably have to manually edit xorg.conf and force at least the 2nd monitor's resolution |
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| 18:16.32 | Seryth | wols_: I've got no idea how to do that - could you give me a hand? |
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| 18:17.20 | wols_ | not really since I haven't done it either. you need basically 2 screen sections in your xorg.conf |
| 18:17.42 | Seryth | Okay. I'll do some googling and have a look. Thanks wols_! |
| 18:18.30 | wols_ | I would start here https://www.google.de/search?q=dual+monitor+xorg.conf various configs you can look at |
| 18:19.09 | Seryth | Yup, just googled that wols_ ! |
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| 18:40.56 | xsappyx | decci: raid 10 is possible, this is a good place to start https://raid.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/Linux_Raid |
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| 18:51.41 | DOUGHTY | hello, someone can help me with rutorrent |
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| 18:55.25 | Guest8729 | hello. i'm getting a debian security release file error when doing apt-get. is there a fix in sources or what? |
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| 18:55.41 | jelly-home | !tell Guest8729 about bat |
| 18:56.14 | jelly-home | Guest8729: can you pastebin the whole command line + the output, and the output of "apt-cache policy" as well? |
| 18:56.16 | Guest8729 | this is for wheezy testing installation. |
| 18:56.21 | Guest8729 | ok, i will try |
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| 18:58.20 | Guest8729 | http://paste.debian.net/223805 |
| 18:59.49 | zykotick9 | DOUGHTY: do you mean rtorrent? or is there an rutorrent? "apt-cache search rutorrent" doesn't have results... |
| 19:00.07 | Guest8729 | jelly-home: is this ok? |
| 19:00.31 | DOUGHTY | zykotick9 rutorrent is web manager for rtorrent |
| 19:00.42 | DOUGHTY | and i have problem to connect with rtorrent |
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| 19:00.51 | jelly-home | Guest8729: it seems ok |
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| 19:01.15 | jelly-home | Guest8729: and the command that gave the error and its whole output? |
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| 19:01.33 | Guest8729 | the command is apt-get update. i will paste the error by itself. |
| 19:01.34 | zykotick9 | DOUGHTY: there appears to be 2 web front-ends in wheezy repos. best of luck, s/w from out of repo, isn't really supported in #debian, perhaps see if there is a rutorrent irc channel? |
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| 19:02.57 | DOUGHTY | ok i'll see for that thanks for your time!! |
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| 19:03.55 | Guest8729 | jelly-home: http://paste.debian.net/223807/ |
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| 19:06.13 | Guest8729 | Can someone please help with above error? |
| 19:06.18 | mang0 | About to do a full re-install of Debian, but I've only used n et inst; this time gonna use the full install. Do I download the CD-1 iso? What's the differences between CD 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7 and 8? |
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| 19:06.34 | Guest8729 | mang0: cd 1 will do it |
| 19:07.12 | jimcooncat | at the package search website, why is wine and playonlinux only listed under squeeze, and not wheezy? |
| 19:07.21 | rozie | mang0: will you have reasonable network connection? |
| 19:07.39 | Guest8729 | mang0: the other cds contain more programs and you do not need them for installation |
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| 19:08.26 | mang0 | Guest8729: Thanks. rozie yes, but...I need to do this install as fast as possible, so I guessed the full cd is faster than net inst |
| 19:08.42 | rozie | no it's not |
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| 19:08.59 | rozie | usually you will have to download security updates anyway |
| 19:09.02 | Guest8729 | what do you mean rozie |
| 19:09.06 | mang0 | rozie: Oh... |
| 19:09.14 | Guest8729 | ok, i get it. |
| 19:09.22 | Guest8729 | i mean, if you need to download i. |
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| 19:09.30 | rozie | and CD-ROM is often pretty slow (seek time) when compared to network |
| 19:09.34 | Guest8729 | if you already had the cd, it would be faster |
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| 19:10.03 | zykotick9 | mang0: you only require cd1/dvd1 if you have a network connection afterwards. downloading the full repository is only good for "desert island" type situations. |
| 19:10.07 | peterrooney | I always copy debs from the cd to /target/var/cache/apt/archives in the background during an install |
| 19:10.40 | rozie | mang0: local proxy of installed packages may also help |
| 19:10.42 | Guest8729 | peterrooney: good idea |
| 19:10.54 | rozie | apt-cacher-ng would do the trick |
| 19:11.30 | Guest8729 | i also copy all deb files from archives and list files to a usb drive, then copy back during fresh install to have an updated system without net connection. |
| 19:11.44 | mang0 | zykotick9: right |
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| 19:12.27 | mang0 | Halfway through this download...might as well continue with it. |
| 19:16.04 | Guest8729 | http://paste.debian.net/223807/ has this mirror moved? |
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| 19:36.08 | grafdiffuzor | squeeze-backports includes flgrx-driver for amd64 only. Is there a way to compile/obtain .deb fglrx for i686? I guess I can build it from source file present in squeeze-backports, but I don't know how. |
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| 19:42.16 | lattera | I have squashfs-tools installed and I'm trying to do the same thing that this person does, and I'm getting the same error, what am I doing wrong? http://stackoverflow.com/questions/7357924/how-to-mount-img-file-on-linux-extracted-from-a-modem-firmware |
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| 19:44.34 | Rockj | zykotick9: does that work when tailing a file? hm. |
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| 19:46.38 | Rockj | zykotick9: it works :O . But why doesn't scroll lock work out of the box, it's kinda the default and my keyboard even has it's own key for that purpose :--) |
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| 19:48.02 | jimcooncat | yeah, that's like my beef why numlock isn't on by default |
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| 19:51.43 | awc737 | I forgot my root password on a remote server. #fcked? |
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| 19:52.34 | ompaul | awc737: if you don't have a terminal to get in ... then I'd be inclined to say you need someone at the far end |
| 19:52.55 | awc737 | ompaul, I can get in the terminal with my user |
| 19:52.59 | mang0 | What's the bets way to copy an iso onto a usb stick, making it bootable too? |
| 19:53.01 | awc737 | but I forgot root pw |
| 19:53.34 | xsappyx | awc737: try to sudo su - |
| 19:53.59 | ompaul | xsappyx: if you are going to say something like that when there is a root password well done at least say sudo -i |
| 19:54.05 | awc737 | xsappyx, I am not in the sudoers file |
| 19:54.05 | mtn | mang0, man dd |
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| 19:54.28 | mang0 | mtn: I thought it would be with dd. |
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| 19:55.09 | awc737 | I guess if I could reset the root passwd from user, Linux wouldn't dominate the web... |
| 19:55.18 | mang0 | mtn: Found it on the archwiki, thanks |
| 19:55.31 | mtn | mang0, good place to look :) |
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| 19:55.48 | mang0 | mtn: Indeed, everything is there! |
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| 19:57.36 | grafdiffuzor | Has wheezy working fglrx driver for i686 arch? |
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| 19:59.48 | LZ2ILR | hi, i had to get my wifi working by dumping the .fw files into usr/local/lib/firmware. is that the wrong way to do it? i am having problems with the connection |
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| 20:00.48 | ompaul | !wireless |
| 20:00.50 | dpkg | Support for your wireless LAN device is dependent on the chipset within. Don't know what you have? Ask me about <what's my wireless>. Atheros: <atheros>; Atmel: <atmel>; Broadcom: <broadcom>; Intel: <intel>; Intersil: <prism>; Marvell: <marvell>; Ralink: <ralink>; Realtek: <realtek>; TI: <acx-mac80211>; VIA: <vt665x>; ZyDAS: <zydas>. See also <killswitch>, <wpa>, <wlan howto>. http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi |
| 20:01.00 | ompaul | LZ2ILR: ^^ that link is gold |
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| 20:01.27 | ompaul | (99.9999999% of the time if that is not working more than likely you got something wrong) |
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| 20:02.23 | LZ2ILR | i typed 'make' like it said in the readme with the files and command not found |
| 20:02.52 | ompaul | LZ2ILR: that's not on that link afik |
| 20:04.09 | ompaul | points out to anyone who is mildly interested there is a debian way to do stuff, mostly in the debian docs or on the wiki, most pain is caused by people thinking they know how to make stuff work but not the way debian does it ;-) |
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| 20:04.23 | Innocentus | hi |
| 20:04.28 | Innocentus | so I got a frustrating problem |
| 20:05.04 | Innocentus | I set up a debian box with samba, but I cannot ping the hostname |
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| 20:05.32 | Innocentus | so is there some special option? or some extra package which needs to be installed? |
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| 20:07.04 | Innocentus | anyone? :/ |
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| 20:07.33 | abrotman | nmbd |
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| 20:08.24 | Innocentus | nmbd? |
| 20:08.34 | invariant | I have unallocated space following an lvm2 partition. How can I resize that lvm2 partition? |
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| 20:09.03 | awc737 | woohoo I remembered password |
| 20:09.05 | Walex2 | invariant: what does that mean? |
| 20:09.17 | awc737 | is there a way to view a list of all apt-get install commands ran since the beginning of time? |
| 20:09.30 | Walex2 | awc737: not really. |
| 20:09.42 | awc737 | no apt-get history? |
| 20:10.09 | zykotick9 | Rockj: i have no idea ;) i've never used scroll lock for scrolling, i'm more a shift+pgup/pgdown sort person ;) i just like urxvt, so went searching for an answer. |
| 20:10.11 | Walex2 | awc737: there is history, not from the beginning of time |
| 20:10.32 | bluesceada | will the debian after wheezy try to be a x32 abi-based i486/amd64 hybrid? |
| 20:10.35 | awc737 | before the big bang, please its all I ask |
| 20:10.46 | awc737 | beginning of my servers time I mean |
| 20:11.08 | invariant | Walex2, I have a harddisk containing two partitions. The first one is allocated according to gparted as lvm2. The second one is unallocated. |
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| 20:11.30 | awc737 | Walex2, looking at /var/log/apt/history.log, it only shows today... |
| 20:11.30 | Walex2 | invariant: the label on the partition does not necessarily mean anything. |
| 20:11.41 | peterrooney | awc737: look at .bash_history and dpkg.log |
| 20:11.44 | Walex2 | awc737: it may have been rotated. |
| 20:11.52 | awc737 | rotated? |
| 20:12.03 | Walex2 | awc737: and 'dpkg.log' which is related, but also subject to rotation. |
| 20:12.08 | Innocentus | how can I check if nmdb is up on a debian? |
| 20:12.14 | awc737 | rotated means old records deleted? |
| 20:12.15 | Walex2 | awc737: search for "linux log rotation" |
| 20:12.16 | invariant | Walex2, since I formatted the device, I know that there is LVM2 on it with some file system using all of its space. |
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| 20:12.25 | invariant | Walex2, what more do you want to know? |
| 20:12.27 | Walex2 | invariant: that's a different story :-) |
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| 20:12.56 | invariant | I haven't really found what problem lvm2 solves. |
| 20:13.04 | invariant | To me it only creates problems. |
| 20:13.18 | peterrooney | awc737: not necessarily deleted. dpkg.log gets moved to dpkg.log.1 and a new dpkg.log is created. later, dpkg.log.1 gets compressed and moved to dpkg.log.2.gz, dpkg.log gets moved to dpkg.log.1, and a new dpkg.log gets created. |
| 20:13.35 | Walex2 | invariant: first try to establish exactly what's on what. To examine partition content use please 'blkid' and 'disktype $(< /proc/partitions)' and 'pvs'. |
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| 20:13.48 | awc737 | yeah I see those other files history.log.2.gz |
| 20:13.50 | Innocentus | invariant: well, you can resize / modify existing logical volumes under lvm2 |
| 20:13.51 | invariant | Walex2, I already know that. |
| 20:13.53 | Innocentus | invariant: can be nice |
| 20:13.57 | peterrooney | in my system, I've got a half dozen or so going back to whenever. retention is probably controlled by logrotate utility. |
| 20:14.07 | invariant | Walex2, the first one contains an ext3 file system. |
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| 20:14.36 | Walex2 | invariant: perhaps, or perhaps not. If you are asking simple questions like that here I am not prepared to believe everything you say... :-) |
| 20:14.45 | Walex2 | invariant: and even I would double check first. |
| 20:14.46 | awc737 | root@dcw1:/var/log/apt# tar zxvf history.log.3.gz |
| 20:14.46 | awc737 | tar: This does not look like a tar archive |
| 20:14.56 | invariant | Walex2, I used Linux for more than 10 years. |
| 20:15.03 | Arrowmaster | awc737: use zcat or zless |
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| 20:15.37 | awc737 | thanks |
| 20:16.03 | Innocentus | frustration |
| 20:16.10 | Innocentus | screams |
| 20:16.34 | Walex2 | invariant: then you have to choices: create a new PV in the empty partition, and add it to the existing VG, or delete the empty partition and extend the existing partition in the newly freed space, and then expand the existing PV and VG to that. |
| 20:16.50 | invariant | Walex2, option 2 |
| 20:16.59 | Walex2 | invariant: then just do it. |
| 20:17.17 | invariant | Walex2, I don't know the command to do the first part of that. |
| 20:17.24 | invariant | Walex2, which is what I asked in the first place. |
| 20:17.46 | invariant | Walex2, the extend the existing ... part. |
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| 20:18.02 | invariant | Wasn't there some GUI tool to also do this? |
| 20:18.21 | Walex2 | invariant: you can try 'gparted', might work. |
| 20:18.29 | invariant | Walex2, no, something RedHat developed. |
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| 20:18.54 | frostschutz | invariant: can't help with gui, but if you made the partition of a LVM PV larger, you can use pvresize |
| 20:19.18 | invariant | frostschutz, no, the partition is not larger. |
| 20:19.35 | invariant | frostschutz, it could be made larger, but I suppose I first have to do that. |
| 20:19.40 | Walex2 | invariant: there is an LVM frontend, but the most common GUI for resizing _partitions_ is by far 'gparted'. |
| 20:20.08 | frostschutz | invariant: you can either make it larger or possibly add a new partition in the free space, and use pvcreate and then vgextend |
| 20:20.29 | Walex2 | invariant: but there are plenty of subtle problems for that unless you have a very very simple setup, so good luck. |
| 20:20.45 | invariant | Walex2, that's why GUIs were invented. |
| 20:20.58 | invariant | Or ZFS. |
| 20:21.17 | invariant | Nobody should have to care about these details. |
| 20:21.21 | Walex2 | invariant: GUIs and ZFS make simple cases simple and subtle cases simple to screwup. |
| 20:21.39 | invariant | I have a block device and then the task of the OS is to figure out how to present a file abstraction. |
| 20:21.43 | jhutchins_wk | Of course, it's actually faster and safer to just have the regular backup you already make handy and repartition the drive. |
| 20:21.48 | damacus | make something idiotproof and they'll invent a better idiot |
| 20:22.03 | Walex2 | invariant: I hope that you are not a "professional" sysadm. I have had to spend many nights cleaning up enormous messes done by "professional" sysadms with that attitude. |
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| 20:22.36 | invariant | Walex2, system administrators should be cheering for simpler systems, but they don't because they will lose their job. |
| 20:22.41 | frostschutz | invariant: nopaste your partition layout somewhere (e.g. parted /dev/sda unit s print free) |
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| 20:23.07 | jhutchins_wk | invariant: No, dumbed down systems that can't be adjusted or fixed really frustrate sysadmins. |
| 20:23.31 | invariant | jhutchins_wk, if the system is fact optimal, that's not a problem. |
| 20:23.31 | Walex2 | I call that attitude the "syntaxically valid" attitude: the idea that as long as something is "syntactically" possible it is good. Unfortunately the number of "syntactically" valid configurations that work or work well is very small usually. |
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| 20:23.48 | invariant | Walex2, that's only because the tools are bad. |
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| 20:23.59 | invariant | Walex2, it could be made such that only valid configurations would be allowed. |
| 20:24.24 | invariant | Windows 8 Storage Spaces solve the GUI part of the problem completely. |
| 20:24.37 | invariant | ZFS like systems store the backend part. |
| 20:24.56 | invariant | But you can continue to believe that LVM is a great solution. |
| 20:25.24 | invariant | jhutchins_wk, in fact, most system administrators don't touch the software that's causing the actual issue. |
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| 20:25.39 | invariant | jhutchins_wk, as such system administrators have almost no impact on application performance. |
| 20:25.52 | invariant | All they can do is add extra hardware. |
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| 20:27.00 | jhutchins_wk | invariant: You are very wrong, but also offtopic here. You can continue the discussion in debian-offtopic if you want. |
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| 20:28.59 | jhutchins_wk | invariant: command line interfaces are inherently more powerful than GUIs, which restrict you to options that someone else has already thoughgt of. |
| 20:29.25 | sweb | i have problem with my hard disk. i have a folder that corrupted that i cant access it. how can i access data inside that folder ? any command ? any method ? |
| 20:29.28 | jhutchins_wk | invariant: A typical task for a Linux administrator is to tune an apache or mysql installation to handle the actual task it's doing. |
| 20:29.30 | invariant | jhutchins_wk, I thought you said to move this to offtopic. |
| 20:29.46 | jhutchins_wk | Yeah, I thought I was in that window. |
| 20:29.47 | invariant | jhutchins_wk, I am there, I even said something to you. |
| 20:30.39 | jhutchins_wk | sweb: shutdown -Fr now will cause the system to restart and check the filesystem. |
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| 20:32.50 | sweb | jhutchins_wk: i use dd for create image and then us fsck to repiar image but it's remove corrupted folder. |
| 20:32.55 | sweb | i dont wanna remove it :( |
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| 20:35.01 | frostschutz | sweb: what filesystem? and what type of files are in that folder? if it's a common enough type you could try photorec (from testdisk). |
| 20:35.09 | frostschutz | ...if fsck can not repair it anyway |
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| 20:36.29 | sweb | frostschutz, jhutchins_wk : http://paste.ubuntu.com/1520877/ |
| 20:36.37 | sweb | frostschutz: ext3 |
| 20:36.57 | sweb | debian 6 |
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| 20:37.38 | jhutchins_wk | sweb: If fsck can't recover it it's not likely you can get any data out of it. |
| 20:38.12 | frostschutz | sweb: does the disk have bad sectors? if so did you use conv=noerror,sync when you made the image with dd? or use ddrescue. dd without those options will create a broken image |
| 20:38.19 | jhutchins_wk | Yep. It's dead. |
| 20:38.21 | frostschutz | ...if the disk has bad sectors |
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| 20:39.28 | sweb | yeah hard have bad sector ... exactly i use dd_rhelp an alias for ddrescue |
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| 20:47.36 | jimcooncat | how offtopic |
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| 20:56.01 | voldial | I am used to df -h and du -sh / disagree a bit... but I have a situation where they disagree by 7GB. I made sure it's not due to open files by taking a LVM snapshot of the drive, and mounting it on a separate system... same result http://fpaste.org/06oj/ where is that extra 7GB reported by df coming from? |
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| 20:59.26 | Walex2 | voldial: it is extremely improbable that 'df' report more free space than 'du'. It can easily happen that 'du' reports less free space than 'df', but viceversa is rather difficult for most filesystems. |
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| 21:00.06 | Walex2 | voldial: also use another pastebin as that URL seems broken |
| 21:00.14 | voldial | Walex2, in this case, df is reporting ~8GB used... where du reports ~1.1GB. |
| 21:00.52 | Walex2 | voldial: so not free space, but used space. |
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| 21:01.37 | voldial | here's another paste: http://pastebin.ca/2301417 |
| 21:01.40 | Walex2 | voldial: the numbers you report are entirely plausible, depending on filesystem type. Filesystems can use significant space for internal tables. |
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| 21:04.21 | voldial | Walex2, this is a ext4 fs... what tool would I use to look at the internal fs table space used? |
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| 21:05.00 | Walex2 | voldial: 'debugfs' |
| 21:05.35 | jimcooncat | installed xfce4 on squeeze, please recommend a simple display manager? |
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| 21:05.53 | Walex2 | voldial: or perhaps read any of very many descriptions of the on disk format for 'ext4'. You are missing some simple and commonly know information. |
| 21:06.09 | voldial | Walex2, thank you. I'll go research more. |
| 21:07.38 | jimcooncat | slim? lightdm? |
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| 21:07.57 | Walex2 | jimcooncat: XFCE has indeed its own "typical" window manager... |
| 21:08.23 | jimcooncat | Walex2: not xfwm, I need a login screen |
| 21:08.23 | Walex2 | jimcooncat: or else consider FVWM2 or Enlightenment or Openbox among those I sometimes like. |
| 21:08.50 | jimcooncat | I'd like gdm, only don't want gnome stuff |
| 21:08.51 | Walex2 | jimcooncat: if you need a login screen that's a *desktop* manager, not a *window* manager. |
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| 21:09.09 | jimcooncat | desktop manager -- I thought it was display manager |
| 21:09.14 | jimcooncat | thanks Walex2 |
| 21:09.24 | Walex2 | jimcooncat: oops sorry, I misread your message |
| 21:09.43 | jimcooncat | np |
| 21:09.44 | Walex2 | jimcooncat: it used to be called display manager indeed. |
| 21:10.13 | jimcooncat | neither makes sense to me, it's a dam login screen |
| 21:10.27 | Walex2 | jimcooncat: 'lightdm' indeed is typical with XFCE. You can always use the old 'xdm' too. |
| 21:10.35 | jimcooncat | thanks much |
| 21:10.42 | grafdiffuzor | Hello everyone! Question: squeeze-backports includes flgrx-driver for amd64 only. Is there a way to compile/obtain .deb fglrx for i686? I guess I can build it from source file present in squeeze-backports, but I don't know how. |
| 21:10.46 | Walex2 | jimcooncat: a dsiplay manager can manager many displays on several computers, using a protocol called XDMCP |
| 21:11.14 | jimcooncat | i played with that many moons ago |
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| 21:11.31 | Walex2 | jimcooncat: the case where a display manager dæmon managers only the local screen is common but not the only possible case. |
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| 21:12.37 | doublehp | in which package is javac ? |
| 21:12.46 | jimcooncat | I used to use it, but now I just ssh -X to the computer and start individual things by the command line |
| 21:13.01 | Walex2 | jimcooncat: a proper display manager can manage logins on multiple displays on the same host, e.g. on different virtual console, or on a main virtual console and then on virtual displays like Xnest or VNC etc. |
| 21:13.32 | Walex2 | jimcooncat: I don't use display managers either, just 'xinit' and then start the desktop environment. |
| 21:14.45 | jimcooncat | Walex2: how do you start x on another display, like ctrl-alt-F6? |
| 21:14.47 | alkul | doublehp: openjdk-x-jdk, where x = 6 or x = 7. |
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| 21:15.20 | alkul | (or default-jdk) |
| 21:15.46 | Walex2 | jimcooncat: you witch to a virtual console with a running 'getty', login to that, and then start X on a display other than :0 (or any existing one) |
| 21:16.16 | Getty | waves |
| 21:16.32 | Walex2 | jimcooncat: for example C-A-F2, login to that, and then 'xinit -- :1' or if you want it on a specific virtual console 'xinit -- :1 vt10' for example |
| 21:17.26 | jimcooncat | oh, makes sense! I didn't use the right syntax before. cheers, Walex2 |
| 21:17.34 | Walex2 | hi <Getty> thanks to you for ensuring people can logon to virtual consoles on millions of computers... |
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| 21:18.16 | Getty | Walex2: trying my best! Its a hard job, but someone has todo it |
| 21:18.53 | zykotick9 | jimcooncat: fyi, "startx -- :1" should work also |
| 21:19.11 | bexf | Hi, anyone knows how to install any package on IPCOP? aptitude not exists! i know that it by security but i need to install things like ssh client, vim, etc. the ipcop's addons are few and ssh client isn't |
| 21:19.29 | Walex2 | unless you are Jim, in which case thanks also for fixing all the messes Keith gets into :-) |
| 21:19.36 | jimcooncat | I gotta keep :1 open 'cause I get in trouble |
| 21:19.45 | jelly-home | !tell bexf about ipcop |
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| 21:23.18 | jimcooncat | oh my, that xdm is horrible! |
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| 21:23.49 | Walex2 | jimcooncat: you can skin it in several ways, but yes it is pretty basic, but very lightweight. |
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| 21:24.11 | Walex2 | jimcooncat: to skin XDM you need to use X resources as in 'xrdb ...' |
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| 21:24.24 | rangergord | hi...anyone here from Montreal? |
| 21:24.50 | blixten | no, but im here for real |
| 21:24.52 | blixten | *giggles* |
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| 21:25.28 | jimcooncat | I'm in Maine getting your weather after your done with it |
| 21:25.30 | jelly-home | sics barca fans on blixten |
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| 21:31.48 | cardiel | im trying to install iceweasel 18 from experimental ( im running testing ) but it wont work.. xulrunner-18.0 : Depends: libnss3 (>= 2:3.14) but 2:3.13.6-2 is installed , is the error i get |
| 21:32.15 | cardiel | isnt it possible to install iceweasel from experimental? |
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| 21:36.21 | jelly-home | ,v libnss3 |
| 21:36.22 | judd | Package: libnss3 on i386 -- squeeze-backports: 2:3.13.5-1~bpo60+1; squeeze-backports: 2:3.13.6-2~bpo60+1; wheezy: 2:3.13.6-2; wheezy-proposed-updates: 2:3.13.6-2; sid: 2:3.14.1.with.ckbi.1.93-1 |
| 21:36.44 | jelly-home | cardiel: the thing is, experimental is built against unstable |
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| 21:39.01 | jeanseb | hello |
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| 21:39.45 | tuvwx | cardiel: it is possible |
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| 21:40.45 | tuvwx | cardiel: oops. it may not be possible just yet. i had to install libnss3 from unstable/sid |
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| 21:41.17 | cardiel | tuvwx: ok thanks will try that |
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| 21:49.47 | louisdk | Hi. I have sda with my system installed on. Then I have sdb and sdc that is not in use. On these disks I want to create a RAID1 array to store data on. I've found this guide: http://wiki.debian.org/SoftwareRAID but I don't know how to "create partitions type 0xfd"? |
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| 21:52.48 | frostschutz | louisdk: use any partition editor you like. parted, cfdisk, ... |
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| 22:31.15 | fantastic1 | hi |
| 22:31.59 | fantastic1 | hi jelly-home |
| 22:32.16 | fantastic1 | need to transfer entire contents of directory from 1 debian server to another debian server |
| 22:32.40 | fantastic1 | please advise what is the rsync command i should type out --- jelly-home |
| 22:33.28 | Towzzer | how about scp |
| 22:33.47 | Towzzer | scp -r source_server:/directory dest_server:/directory |
| 22:33.59 | Towzzer | username@source_server if needed |
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| 22:34.01 | Quest | http://stackoverflow.com/questions/14287501/java-home-in-etc-enviroment-in-ubuntu |
| 22:34.34 | fantastic1 | please advise towzzer |
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| 22:36.01 | fantastic1 | i am on the destination server folder |
| 22:36.10 | fantastic1 | and need to pull the info from the source server |
| 22:36.18 | fantastic1 | please advise |
| 22:36.38 | jhutchins | Towzzer: I prefer rsync. Allows restarts. |
| 22:37.38 | jhutchins | fantastic1: rsync -avz source.server:/path/* /destination/path/ |
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| 22:38.21 | fantastic1 | jhutchins i am on the destination server folder |
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| 22:39.48 | Avrilanda | Hello this is my firt try to installl debian.I never hab before linux or debian, only windows, so i am a really noob. So my question: How can i install debian at EFI, i always get a errot at g2ldr.mbr |
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| 22:39.59 | peterrooney | fantastic1: rsync -av othermachine:/path/to/dir/ local_copy_of_dir # rsync behaves differently depending on if directory slashes are included or not. |
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| 22:41.32 | jhutchins | fantastic1: So what's the path to where you want the files to be from where you are? |
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| 22:42.13 | awc737 | is it possible to use DNS Bind on a subdomain? |
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| 22:42.21 | jhutchins | fantastic1: As you use it you WILL make little mistakes in how you specify the path and end up with /destination/destination - but that's life. |
| 22:42.24 | fantastic1 | its a dedi server download directory |
| 22:42.34 | jhutchins | awc737: Subdomain? |
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| 22:43.15 | jhutchins | fantastic1: Were you waiting for an answer in a different shade of mauve or something? |
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| 22:44.21 | Avrilanda | Anyone an idea? |
| 22:44.22 | fantastic1 | huh |
| 22:44.35 | fantastic1 | got this http://wiki.bytesized-hosting.com/wiki/index.php/Getting_data_from_other_seedboxes |
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| 22:52.16 | Quest | <PROTECTED> |
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| 22:53.36 | alkul | Quest: please, note that Debian is not Ubuntu. |
| 22:53.55 | Quest | alkul, its similer. i have debian too |
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| 22:55.10 | alkul | Quest: what I mean by that is that we are unable to provide support for Ubuntu. Fortunately, Ubuntu also has support channels, such as #ubuntu |
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| 22:56.46 | louisdk | I've created a RAID1 and wants to put it in fstab. Do I get any advantage by writing "rw,noatime" as an option rather than "defaults". |
| 22:57.07 | Quest | alkul, no problem. tell the way for debian |
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| 22:59.51 | jhutchins | Quest: Seriously, they're different. Go ask in #ubuntu. |
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| 23:01.03 | Midasx | Would anyone know id standard debian works on UEFI? Or if there was a way of getting CrunchBang to work with UEFI? |
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| 23:01.45 | xsappyx | louisdk: depends on the FS you used, but noatime can give a very slight speedup usually.. but defaults are usually sane |
| 23:01.56 | jhutchins | Midasx: Yes, debian will work. No idea about crunchbang, it's not debian. |
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| 23:02.19 | Midasx | jhutchins: So a standard debian bootable USB will work? |
| 23:02.37 | louisdk | xsappyx: OK. I've used ext4. |
| 23:02.46 | jhutchins | Midasx: I'd look for and read the docs first, it can be tricky, especially for multi-boot. |
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| 23:03.15 | jhutchins | Midasx: It's pretty cutting edge right now, although we've been doing it on macintel for several years. |
| 23:03.46 | Midasx | Okay, so which version of debian do I want to install, needs to be x64 and preferably as minimal as possible |
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| 23:05.28 | Quest | jhutchins, both have /etc/enviroment |
| 23:05.34 | zykotick9 | wonders why this made up architecture of "x64" is a smaller number then x86. |
| 23:06.33 | awc737 | if I want to handle my DNS at a server elsewhere from registrar, to I point A record to it? |
| 23:07.14 | pbxbrian | /whois xingu |
| 23:07.19 | pbxbrian | lol |
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| 23:08.56 | louisdk | I've been recommended to disable write cache on disks in my RAID1 do to prevent data corruption if power outage happens. hdparm -W 0 /dev/sdX the right wat to do this? |
| 23:08.58 | xsappyx | awc737: you'll want to update the NS records with your registrar to point at your dns servers.. when you 'whois $mydomain' those Domain Servers should be your new IPs |
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| 23:10.28 | awc737 | xsappyx, http://www.dnssy.com/report.php?q=avps.us |
| 23:10.34 | awc737 | The following nameservers do not have A records: |
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| 23:11.23 | xsappyx | louisdk: that should disable the write cache, ya.. maybe a ups would be better though. also, if you used a raid card for that raid and not just software raid, your card might have a cache too |
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| 23:11.45 | PhoenixSTF | has anyone tried kvm on wheezy? how is it with the new kernel? stability? speed? |
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| 23:12.56 | adamsilver | How can I upgrade from Postgres 8 to 9? |
| 23:13.46 | awc737 | xsappyx, does everything look OK? http://d.pr/i/Aobr |
| 23:14.30 | awc737 | but dnssy tells me ns1 and ns2 do not have A records |
| 23:15.48 | louisdk | xsappyx: Thanks. I've used sw raid. If you have some good advice regarding sw raid management please let me know. |
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| 23:18.00 | xsappyx | awc737: looks like you're missing an soa at least, and it seems like you're missing some glue.. check http://www.sorbs.net/faq/dns_primer.shtml specifically the "NS Records" section |
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| 23:18.27 | awc737 | xsappyx, ns1.avps.us and ns2.avps.us are resolving to the server lol, but not avps.us |
| 23:19.10 | xsappyx | louisdk: make sure to check /proc/mdstat for raid status. i usually use a check in my monitoring solution but a cron check + email would be ok too |
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| 23:21.17 | zykotick9 | PhoenixSTF: i've been running my desktop kvm VMs on wheezy for a week or so. i am having an issue with losing keyboard response in the VMs (also wheezy) or a fairly regular basis... hopefully others have better news. haven't notice much difference from squeeze besides that. |
| 23:21.34 | louisdk | xsappyx: Thanks. I'll setup email reports. |
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| 23:33.46 | Z1eJs4lm | I have a Debian chroot environment. Is it possible to boot straight into it? |
| 23:34.15 | Z1eJs4lm | I'd imagine it'd end up with the file system mounted somewhere, and then the chroot directory bind-mounted onto / |
| 23:34.25 | zinx | Z1eJs4lm: "boot"? no. run a shell in the context of the chroot? sure |
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| 23:35.15 | zinx | Z1eJs4lm: you can mimic the standard initramfs boot process, but currently running processes will still be there... |
| 23:35.36 | zinx | Z1eJs4lm: that uses pivot_root, among other things to ensure the system is set up correctly on boot |
| 23:35.41 | MrGeneral | Guys, unrar-free doesnt unrar the files splitted in parts, what do you recommend? |
| 23:36.10 | zinx | MrGeneral: a less proprietary compression format, obviously :) |
| 23:36.15 | Z1eJs4lm | zinx: Just to be clear, I only want to run things in the chroot directory. |
| 23:36.28 | zinx | Z1eJs4lm: then just use chroot |
| 23:36.55 | Z1eJs4lm | I'm not explaining this very well at all, sorry. |
| 23:36.57 | zinx | Z1eJs4lm: and/or optionally, schroot |
| 23:37.14 | MrGeneral | yeah zinx |
| 23:37.16 | MrGeneral | good idea |
| 23:37.19 | MrGeneral | didnt think about it, ahah, thanks |
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| 23:37.30 | zinx | Z1eJs4lm: chroot /path/to/debian /bin/sh |
| 23:37.35 | Z1eJs4lm | Usually, Debian is installed into /bin, /sbin, /usr etc. on a file system. Can I have an otherwise normal Debian installation but with everything in a directory, i.e. /debian/bin, /debian/usr etc. |
| 23:38.00 | Z1eJs4lm | To Debian it'll look like /bin, /usr etc. but on the actual file system it will all be in /debian. |
| 23:38.01 | zinx | Z1eJs4lm: apart from daemons and other system startup/shutdown stuff, yes. |
| 23:38.18 | zinx | Z1eJs4lm: and you use chroot to do it, as i said :/ |
| 23:38.35 | zinx | Z1eJs4lm: schroot is a utility for managing multiple ones |
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| 23:39.29 | zinx | Z1eJs4lm: if you need it to runs its own daemons/etc, you should look in to user-mode linux |
| 23:40.12 | zinx | uhm, run, not runs :x |
| 23:40.55 | Z1eJs4lm | Hmm, thanks. I've found this, which looks like what I want to do: http://superuser.com/questions/450024/ |
| 23:41.31 | zinx | i would recommend against that |
| 23:42.04 | zinx | either just use chroot to run a shell, or use UML, don't try to boot the system concurrently with the running system. |
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| 23:43.06 | zinx | oh nm i see, you want to boot debian and /not/ the thing containing it |
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| 23:47.16 | Z1eJs4lm | zinx: Yeah. |
| 23:47.52 | zinx | Z1eJs4lm: i would probably fiddle with the initramfs |
| 23:48.12 | Z1eJs4lm | Maybe. I'll try the init= line from that post, see how that goes. |
| 23:48.23 | zinx | Z1eJs4lm: initramfs-tools is the relevant tool to read documentation on |
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| 23:48.47 | Z1eJs4lm | OK, thanks. |
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| 23:57.02 | m0g | any help to debug is appreciated. A friend of mine has this problem too, neither of us could came up with a reason |
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