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| 00:04.16 | LtL | m0g: that chess site work fine with my iceweasel v 18.0 and chromium. no problems, no cpu spiking/throttling |
| 00:04.35 | m0g | even the playing part right? |
| 00:04.44 | LtL | m0g: yes sir |
| 00:04.55 | LtL | cool site |
| 00:05.44 | m0g | LtL: thanks for the return :) can I ask which flash you're running on which platform with respect to 32/64 bits? |
| 00:06.41 | LtL | m0g: x86_64 squeeze, 3.2 bpo kernel adobe flash nonfree |
| 00:06.47 | chovy | do i need 'named' running? |
| 00:06.55 | chovy | it shows up when i run netstat -tulpn |
| 00:08.26 | m0g | LtL: ok ok, then we've a similar setup. |
| 00:08.40 | m0g | do you think it could be due to the fact I've set up my flash using multi-arch? |
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| 00:09.50 | LtL | m0g: it's possible but not real likely, adobe is such a fickle POS it's hard to say. |
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| 00:11.06 | m0g | ok. Tough to know what's going on anyway, will be hard to debug. Thanks for the help! |
| 00:11.18 | LtL | m0g: sure, good luck |
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| 00:15.39 | LtL | chovy: are you running BIND, if not you don't need 'named' it's for DNS nameservers |
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| 00:19.29 | arashmousavi | I found out the inode information of the most important directory of my server was corrupted, and I couldn't access its files. how can I recover my data in this directory? or repair its inode information? that is realy important |
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| 00:23.43 | chovy | LtL: no |
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| 00:26.46 | LtL | chovy: then disable it |
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| 00:28.03 | LtL | chovy: check /etc/init.d/ for services, determine what needs to run and what does not, you do not need bind nor named in my opinion. |
| 00:28.43 | enyawix | how do i disable the program that is editing the grub boot config? I need custom boot flags for my computer to work |
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| 00:29.43 | chovy | LtL: is there a command to remove it from run levels? |
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| 00:30.39 | LtL | chovy: invoke-rc.d servicename remove |
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| 00:31.11 | chovy | LtL: thanks |
| 00:31.20 | LtL | chovy: welcome |
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| 00:39.32 | arashmousavi | http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/61014/repair-or-recover-corrupted-inode-information |
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| 00:42.58 | Brigo | arashmousavi: backups? |
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| 00:44.03 | Brigo | arashmousavi: or testdisk. |
| 00:48.37 | frostschutz | arashmousavi: there are some weird tools like ext4magic (which also supposedly supports ext3) but you're probably beating a dead horse |
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| 01:03.38 | enyawix | <PROTECTED> |
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| 01:13.32 | LtL | enyawix: update-grub runs when the kernel changes and possibly other times and re-writes /boot/grub/grub.cfg. grub.cfg shouild'nt be edited by hand but can be. I would'nt advise disabling update-grub but be prepared to re-edit /boot/grub/grub.cfg |
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| 01:15.02 | LtL | enyawix: if it does run you can edit the load linux line at the grub menu to make your system bootable and modify your env vars |
| 01:15.18 | enyawix | LtL: ok i am trying to add GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="quiet splash nomodeset |
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| 01:15.57 | LtL | enyawix: nomodeset should be appended to the load linux line |
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| 01:16.19 | LtL | enyawix: your way *may* work. |
| 01:17.30 | enyawix | load linux line ? |
| 01:18.11 | LtL | enyawix: yes, the line that loads the linux kernel, the menu entry above recovery mode entry. |
| 01:18.52 | enyawix | /etc/default/grub ? |
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| 01:19.14 | LtL | enyawix: no, /boot/grub/grub.cfg |
| 01:19.32 | enyawix | LtL: thanks looking |
| 01:19.40 | LtL | enyawix: it will remain until update-grub is run. |
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| 01:21.33 | enyawix | /boot/grub/grub.cfg says DO NOT EDIT THIS FILE templates |
| 01:21.35 | enyawix | # from /etc/grub.d and settings from /etc/default/grub |
| 01:22.45 | LtL | enyawix: yeah i know |
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| 01:23.19 | LtL | enyawix: this line:: linux /boot/vmlinuz-3.2.0-0.bpo.4-amd64 root=UUID=d1a72b70-9aa5-413d-a082-8193a76e7173 ro quiet nomodeset |
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| 01:25.49 | LtL | enyawix: probably line number 97 |
| 01:26.29 | enyawix | ok thanks |
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| 01:27.13 | LtL | enyawix: my mistake line 77 most likely |
| 01:27.23 | enyawix | ok checking |
| 01:28.20 | enyawix | seems like boot flags should be an install option |
| 01:28.56 | LtL | enyawix: your probably right, i never tried that method. |
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| 01:57.30 | ChibaPet | KDE question - new Wheezy desktop, new users don't seem to get Music, Pictures, Documents, etc. I got the KDE Desktop task, so I figure that's supposed to give me everything. Is there supposed to be a default set of folders created by something? |
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| 01:59.00 | abrotman | one would think |
| 01:59.11 | abrotman | doesn't use KDE, can't say |
| 02:00.27 | ChibaPet | I'm not stuck on the idea of KDE here. Maybe we'll try Gnome 3. Dunno. I do manual tiling for myself, but I think that'd leave my wife nonplussed. |
| 02:01.05 | abrotman | wife nonplussed ... sounds dangerous |
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| 02:01.15 | ChibaPet | Yep. Hoping to avoid it. :P |
| 02:01.16 | abrotman | gnome3 works pretty well IMO |
| 02:01.34 | abrotman | if you have a Windows key, probably makes it far easier |
| 02:01.45 | abrotman | at least on my laptop it's mapped out |
| 02:01.48 | ChibaPet | Yeah, standard Logitech keyboard. |
| 02:02.28 | abrotman | the "search" for the programs isn't the fastest .. but it's acceptable |
| 02:02.47 | ChibaPet | She's likely to pick half a dozen programs and have them in a launcher, so that's fine. |
| 02:03.28 | abrotman | should work fine .. if oyu install the gnome-tweak-ui, you can have them as icons |
| 02:03.58 | ChibaPet | Cool, thank you. We'll look at the options. |
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| 02:04.21 | abrotman | that means you tell it to have a desktop manager, ie, nautilus |
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| 02:07.43 | timmmaaaayyy | i read somewhere today that ubuntu and debian support EFI by default. can anyone confirm this? |
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| 02:09.42 | Towzzer | chibapet how about mate |
| 02:09.44 | Towzzer | or cinammon |
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| 02:10.29 | ChibaPet | Hm, if we were going in that direction we'd probably use XFCE. |
| 02:10.56 | un214 | out of curiosity, has anybody tried staticly linking gnome2 to get it to run on the latest debian? |
| 02:11.30 | abrotman | Towzzer: no MATE in Debian, thank god |
| 02:12.17 | engla | debian is not the distribution to be exlusive, it could well be in the repo |
| 02:14.08 | abrotman | it's not in Debian |
| 02:14.11 | Towzzer | I like mate |
| 02:14.13 | abrotman | cinnamon is in Sid |
| 02:14.45 | Towzzer | Sudden Infant Death |
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| 02:16.01 | abrotman | right |
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| 02:16.50 | timmmaaaayyy | disregard….i see that it is definitely possible. in progress..... |
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| 02:20.33 | lduros | i'm creating a partition for my /var directory. in /etc/fstab, what options should I put for it? |
| 02:20.57 | lduros | the main partition has noatime,errors=remount-ro 0 1 |
| 02:21.17 | abrotman | lduros: if you don't know any better, takethe defaults |
| 02:21.26 | lduros | defaults, just like proc? |
| 02:21.27 | lduros | :-) |
| 02:21.27 | lduros | ok |
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| 02:21.54 | lduros | abrotman: done, let's pray for the best |
| 02:22.20 | abrotman | what could go wrong ... |
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| 02:24.33 | lduros | abrotman: nice, I now have a partition for /var in my linode |
| 02:25.31 | lduros | why do you have pass 2 as example with fstabs often for the second partition, while the first is 1? |
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| 02:26.13 | lduros | ok fstab is mounting the partition right, yay |
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| 02:35.36 | lduros | ok next question... I'm moving a site to a new server. Now using Debian. A few folks have emails like blah@domain.org and it gets forwarded to their personal email |
| 02:35.44 | lduros | what is the best way to do this with debian? |
| 02:35.54 | lduros | exim? |
| 02:36.04 | lduros | hmm, just realized i'm on freenode |
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| 02:36.11 | lduros | not oftc |
| 02:36.18 | lionhead_lion | hola |
| 02:36.40 | lduros | hi |
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| 02:37.07 | lionhead_lion | español¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡ |
| 02:37.24 | lduros | haha |
| 02:37.47 | dvs | !es |
| 02:37.47 | dpkg | Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat. |
| 02:37.58 | lduros | he left already |
| 02:38.06 | dvs | doh |
| 02:38.08 | lduros | curious to see |
| 02:38.10 | lduros | !fr |
| 02:38.10 | dpkg | Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr. Francophone users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr. |
| 02:38.19 | lduros | so much shorter than the spanish version! |
| 02:38.35 | lduros | !it |
| 02:38.35 | dpkg | Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help. |
| 02:38.42 | lduros | hmm, interesting |
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| 02:52.19 | SgrA | http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=92269 |
| 02:52.43 | cesurasean | hey guys, still having trouble upgrading to wheezy, as mysql is not able to see the root password. |
| 02:52.51 | cesurasean | i removed and purged, but no luck. |
| 02:53.03 | cesurasean | im not worried about removing it, so how can i get it upgrade? |
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| 02:54.39 | PredaGR | hello people, how do I purge the automatically installed packages when I remove the package that needed them? |
| 02:55.03 | abrotman | PredaGR: dpkg -P |
| 02:55.08 | cesurasean | apt-get remove --purge |
| 02:55.13 | PredaGR | thank you |
| 02:55.18 | cesurasean | either one. |
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| 02:55.38 | cesurasean | apparently abrotman uses dpkg :D |
| 02:56.04 | ChibaPet | Amarok is desperately confusing. |
| 02:56.19 | abrotman | cesurasean: that's for purging a package alrady removad .. man dpkg |
| 02:56.25 | abrotman | cesurasean: ttry not to troll :) |
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| 02:59.32 | Mannequin | cesurasean, have you tried running "dkpg-reconfigure mysql-server-5.5"? |
| 02:59.49 | Mannequin | sorry, dpkg-reconfigure mysql-server-5.5 |
| 03:00.09 | Towzzer | hey |
| 03:00.13 | Towzzer | apt-get purge works also :D |
| 03:00.18 | Towzzer | no need for remove --purge |
| 03:01.20 | cesurasean | abrotman, what does troll mean exactly? |
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| 03:13.58 | peterrooney | PredaGR: apt-get autoremove |
| 03:15.01 | peterrooney | cesurasean: the canonical definition of 'troll' in regards to IRC/usenet/webforums is a post/statement that is demonstrably false but designed to look plausible to an inexperienced eye. |
| 03:15.59 | timmmaaaayyy | so i just installed debian on my mac mini but it doesn't want to boot. just sitting here displaying a question mark. any ideas? |
| 03:16.06 | SgrA | Anyone here use the Netgear N150 WNA1100? |
| 03:16.44 | Mp5shooter | SgrA: I have one |
| 03:16.54 | ChibaPet | timmmaaaayyy: Did you look through this? http://wiki.debian.org/MacMiniIntel |
| 03:16.56 | Mp5shooter | just for play though.. and on windows |
| 03:16.59 | SgrA | Mp5shooter: Great, could you please post the output of 'iw list'? |
| 03:17.08 | timmmaaaayyy | ChibaPet: yes, that's what i followed. |
| 03:17.14 | Mp5shooter | got a windows equivalent of that command SgrA? :P |
| 03:17.39 | SgrA | Let me check.. :P |
| 03:18.16 | SgrA | Mp5shooter: Well, have you used it as an access point, i.e. in Master mode? |
| 03:18.22 | Mp5shooter | nope |
| 03:18.28 | Mp5shooter | I think it supports it though |
| 03:18.36 | SgrA | Hmm |
| 03:19.09 | timmmaaaayyy | i actually did the netinstall…that should work the same though right? |
| 03:19.43 | ChibaPet | timmmaaaayyy: presumably it would do the right thing |
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| 03:20.08 | timmmaaaayyy | yea. no way i'm doing 8 different DVD downloads and converting to USB |
| 03:20.09 | ChibaPet | Which method did you follow for firmware/booting? |
| 03:20.17 | timmmaaaayyy | well i'm going to try it again and see if it works |
| 03:21.27 | ChibaPet | What version of the firmware are you running? |
| 03:22.03 | timmmaaaayyy | the one listed in the article for the 2011 mini |
| 03:22.31 | ChibaPet | IM121.0047.1F then |
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| 03:23.00 | timmmaaaayyy | well i can't tell now becuase osx is gone….but i verified it before i started |
| 03:23.21 | timmmaaaayyy | it should be golden like a shower |
| 03:23.24 | ChibaPet | Alright, good enough. So, you're not dual-booting then, it'll just run Debian when it's done...? |
| 03:23.52 | timmmaaaayyy | correct |
| 03:24.01 | ChibaPet | Bathroom humour doesn't really make me want to leap in to help, so let's stick to mundane technical support chatter while we go through it please. |
| 03:24.09 | timmmaaaayyy | i told it to use the whole disk when i installed. |
| 03:24.46 | ChibaPet | Did you repartition? |
| 03:25.07 | timmmaaaayyy | starting from complete scratch…..just redownloaded the netinstall image just in case….now running "sudo dd if=debian-6.0.6-amd64-netinst.iso of=/dev/rdisk2 bs=1m" |
| 03:25.08 | ChibaPet | At a guess you start with GPT, but it seems like that's not what you need for what you want. |
| 03:25.22 | ChibaPet | How did you set up your partitioning? |
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| 03:25.42 | timmmaaaayyy | well lets see….i'm starting over…it'll partitional during the install |
| 03:25.48 | timmmaaaayyy | i said "use entire disk" the first time |
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| 03:26.15 | ChibaPet | Right, but that's not specifying a partitioning style, like "GPT" or "MBR/DOS" or whatever it's called now. |
| 03:26.26 | timmmaaaayyy | oh i didn't do that….didn't see anywhere |
| 03:26.32 | ChibaPet | I bet that's your issue then. |
| 03:26.33 | timmmaaaayyy | the only thing i saw was "install grub?" |
| 03:26.35 | timmmaaaayyy | and i said yes |
| 03:26.51 | timmmaaaayyy | ok well i'll pay much more attention this time. any idea where that'll come up? |
| 03:26.53 | ChibaPet | Maybe there's more, but when you do partitioning this time, explicitly partition the disk, and choose an MBR. |
| 03:27.05 | timmmaaaayyy | ok |
| 03:27.12 | ChibaPet | Um, where you set up partitions. You said "whole disk". Don't do that. Instead, go in and repartition, and choose an MBR. |
| 03:27.36 | ChibaPet | The wiki notes that you need an MBR to boot in BIOS compatibility mode, which is what you want, if I'm reading it correctly. |
| 03:27.40 | timmmaaaayyy | i'll let you know when i get there again. also, thank you |
| 03:28.14 | ChibaPet | (So, in the installed, go down to "manual" or "custom" disk set-up. The bottom entry, anyway. You'd think I'd remember, having just seen it last night.) |
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| 03:29.16 | timmmaaaayyy | ok manual |
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| 03:30.01 | timmmaaaayyy | now i have a few more options….guided partitioning…configure software raid….configure LVM….config encrypt volumes.... |
| 03:30.23 | timmmaaaayyy | then it lists SCSI1 and SCSI3 (the regular HD and the USB drive)….then theres undo and finish |
| 03:30.55 | ChibaPet | You might be able to select the hard drive you want and get a repartition option on it, rather than selecting the free space or partitions below that entry. |
| 03:31.14 | timmmaaaayyy | ok yep….i'm manually repartitioning the HD |
| 03:31.18 | ChibaPet | MBR |
| 03:31.20 | timmmaaaayyy | how big should swap be? |
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| 03:31.26 | ChibaPet | Twice RAM is traditional. |
| 03:31.29 | timmmaaaayyy | MBR hasn't been an option yet |
| 03:31.39 | timmmaaaayyy | does swap come first or second? |
| 03:32.12 | ChibaPet | If you haven't seen "MBR" and "GUID/GPT" as options yet, don't worry about partitions. You need to set a new partition type on the hard drive first. |
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| 03:32.43 | ChibaPet | What happens when you hit enter with "scsi1" selected - assuming that's your hard drive. |
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| 03:33.15 | timmmaaaayyy | it asks me "create new empty partition table on this device" |
| 03:33.19 | timmmaaaayyy | i'll say yes |
| 03:33.21 | ChibaPet | That's the one. |
| 03:33.27 | ChibaPet | Hopefully it'll let you pick a type. |
| 03:33.40 | timmmaaaayyy | now i'm at the same screen, but it now shows the drive with 500GB free space |
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| 03:34.15 | ChibaPet | Searching for a moment. You should be able to get some options when you do that. |
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| 03:35.08 | timmmaaaayyy | here's what i've got: imgur.com/HpxAQ |
| 03:35.22 | timmmaaaayyy | http://imgur.com/HpxAQ |
| 03:36.00 | ChibaPet | Can you show me the screen when you hit enter from the screen you just put up on imgur? |
| 03:36.22 | timmmaaaayyy | pressing enter with ISCSI selected? |
| 03:36.31 | ChibaPet | yeah, the one where it offered to let you create a new partition table |
| 03:36.58 | ChibaPet | I'm really guessing here, but if it doesn't let you select a type, maybe you want to start again and choose "expert install". |
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| 03:37.35 | timmmaaaayyy | that wasn't an option….this is the first thing to do besides picking time zones and stuff |
| 03:38.28 | enyawix | timmmaaaayyy: kernel boot options? |
| 03:38.35 | ChibaPet | This might waste some time, but can you start again and choose "expert install" from the install disk's opening menus? |
| 03:38.36 | enyawix | noacpi ? |
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| 03:39.30 | timmmaaaayyy | install GRUB or LILO are later steps….is that what i'd want? or should i start over? |
| 03:39.54 | ChibaPet | Start over, choose expert mode, and see if you get the option to choose a partitioning scheme. |
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| 03:40.11 | timmmaaaayyy | restarting |
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| 03:40.45 | timmmaaaayyy | 4 options…..install…graphical install….advanced optinos….help |
| 03:40.54 | timmmaaaayyy | aahhhhh expert install |
| 03:40.55 | timmmaaaayyy | there it is |
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| 03:41.35 | timmmaaaayyy | oh that's nice…do i need to worry about any locals? |
| 03:41.38 | ChibaPet | It might not help, but I saw that option just last night, so you should be able to get to it one way or the other. I don't think it's new as of Wheezy. |
| 03:41.47 | ChibaPet | You can take the defaults for that stuff generally. |
| 03:42.02 | enyawix | anyone having issue getting laptop mouse pad to work? |
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| 03:42.18 | enyawix | I have to use usb mouse |
| 03:42.52 | timmmaaaayyy | now i have an assload of install components to pick from |
| 03:43.12 | ChibaPet | timmmaaaayyy: pick defaults for screens where you're not sure if you want something additional |
| 03:43.42 | timmmaaaayyy | i assume i want parted-udeb: manually partition a hard drive (parted) |
| 03:43.43 | timmmaaaayyy | ? |
| 03:44.07 | timmmaaaayyy | of theres also cfdisk-udeb |
| 03:44.11 | timmmaaaayyy | *or theres |
| 03:44.19 | ChibaPet | don't choose any installer bits there - they're there to distract you at present |
| 03:44.26 | ChibaPet | defaults until we get to your disk set-up screen :) |
| 03:44.37 | timmmaaaayyy | oh ok |
| 03:44.41 | ChibaPet | enyawix: http://wiki.debian.org/SynapticsTouchpad looks useful |
| 03:45.21 | enyawix | ChibaPet: i tried that and fail but thanks |
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| 03:46.43 | timmmaaaayyy | ok back to partition disks…….same screen we had last time |
| 03:46.50 | timmmaaaayyy | four guided methods and a manual |
| 03:47.07 | ChibaPet | manual, and you want to choose partition type after selecting scsi1 |
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| 03:48.40 | timmmaaaayyy | when i select the SCSI i get http://imgur.com/P60Sk |
| 03:48.59 | timmmaaaayyy | oh shit….there it is….gpt |
| 03:49.13 | ChibaPet | you don't want gpt, you want mbr if I'm reading it right |
| 03:49.44 | timmmaaaayyy | options are: aix, amiga, bsd, dvh, gpt, mac, msdos, pc98, sun, loop |
| 03:50.01 | ChibaPet | did you not say "yes" when you got that screen before? maybe it's there *without* the expert install |
| 03:50.10 | ChibaPet | I think msdos is the one you want. |
| 03:50.33 | ChibaPet | That'll give GRUB its MBR. |
| 03:50.55 | timmmaaaayyy | i did say yes |
| 03:51.03 | timmmaaaayyy | ok i'll try msdos |
| 03:51.04 | ChibaPet | kk, so the boot into expert was useful |
| 03:51.52 | timmmaaaayyy | yes it was. didn't have these options before |
| 03:51.54 | ChibaPet | enyawix: Probably worth asking again at a randomly selected different time. I bet someone in here will be familiar with touchpads. |
| 03:52.16 | enyawix | ok i will google for now |
| 03:52.50 | timmmaaaayyy | so now it looks like this: http://imgur.com/iWp99 |
| 03:52.53 | ChibaPet | Anyway, timmmaaaayyy, once you've done that, I tend to like really simple partitioning schemes. I do 512MB /boot (overkill, but eh), twice RAM in swap (so, 8GB if you have four gigs of RAM), and the rest in / |
| 03:54.05 | ChibaPet | Good, you should be able to make partitions, select GRUB, and be good to go. If you get another question mark screen, maybe look for how to force the boot selection window to come up. |
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| 03:56.14 | timmmaaaayyy | is the boot one primary or logical? |
| 03:56.59 | ChibaPet | I only use three partitions, so I make them all primary. I are a dinosaur. |
| 03:57.02 | timmmaaaayyy | and is it ext3? |
| 03:57.14 | ChibaPet | I like ext4. |
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| 03:57.27 | ChibaPet | set the bootable flag - good cargo cult stuff |
| 03:58.01 | timmmaaaayyy | which ones need to be set to bootable? |
| 03:58.23 | timmmaaaayyy | or just / |
| 03:58.26 | ChibaPet | Just the boot partition, and maybe not even that. |
| 03:58.36 | ChibaPet | Order: /boot, swap, / |
| 03:58.42 | timmmaaaayyy | shit |
| 03:58.44 | timmmaaaayyy | i have swap last |
| 03:58.48 | timmmaaaayyy | does it matter |
| 03:58.51 | timmmaaaayyy | i can redo it |
| 03:59.08 | un214 | kinda but not really |
| 03:59.09 | ChibaPet | Eh, if you actually dig into swap, having to seek to the end of the disk will be a performance hit. Not a big deal. |
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| 03:59.42 | pbase | how do i resize the disk partitions? |
| 03:59.57 | ChibaPet | pbase: More context please? |
| 04:00.03 | timmmaaaayyy | ok….now its the order you wanted. so only /boot get the bootable flag? |
| 04:00.15 | pbase | tried gparted but it hangs up. want to resize the disk partitions |
| 04:00.19 | timmmaaaayyy | by default it wanted to give / the ootable flag |
| 04:00.38 | pbase | ChibaPet: simply want to resize the current partitions |
| 04:01.15 | ChibaPet | timmmaaaayyy: That's how I do it. |
| 04:01.23 | ChibaPet | timmmaaaayyy: Just /boot, I mean. |
| 04:01.29 | timmmaaaayyy | ok done |
| 04:01.35 | timmmaaaayyy | lets see how it does from ehre |
| 04:01.58 | pbase | timmmaaaayyy: would suggest you for a swap file instead of a swap partition |
| 04:02.11 | timmmaaaayyy | lol….way too late sir |
| 04:02.21 | pbase | how? |
| 04:02.26 | timmmaaaayyy | already past that now |
| 04:02.28 | timmmaaaayyy | lol |
| 04:02.30 | ChibaPet | pbase: I've never actually done a live resize. If I have to do something like that, I use dump/restore to back stuff up somewhere and write a new partition table. That said, I'm sure someone will know how to go about it. If I really had to do it to a live-ish system I'd boot off a Knoppix disk and find a disk tool. :P Sorry. |
| 04:02.51 | pbase | ChibaPet: ty |
| 04:03.02 | pbase | timmmaaaayyy: you can come back to it later |
| 04:03.04 | timmmaaaayyy | but i sort of think i should even have a swap…..the HD is 5400rpm….that's damn near useless |
| 04:03.09 | timmmaaaayyy | *shouldn't |
| 04:03.23 | timmmaaaayyy | i have 8GB ram and wont use anything but XBMC, so the need for swap is non-existant |
| 04:03.25 | timmmaaaayyy | but oh well |
| 04:03.27 | pbase | you need swap to compensate for the ram |
| 04:03.38 | ChibaPet | Eh, swap files. Doesn't really do a lot for you over a partition. |
| 04:04.05 | pbase | personally i have found permission problems non existant in swap files |
| 04:04.30 | timmmaaaayyy | oh my god….packages corrupt…. |
| 04:04.33 | timmmaaaayyy | DAMNIT!!!!! |
| 04:04.39 | pbase | plus you can change the swap size dynamically |
| 04:05.05 | pbase | didnt you do a md5sum check before installation :P |
| 04:05.48 | ChibaPet | I'm going to get a plastic sheet so I don't get spattered with gore as timmmaaaayyy's head explodes. |
| 04:06.19 | timmmaaaayyy | md5 is for the birds |
| 04:06.20 | pbase | it hardly takes 1 minute but solves most file corruption problems during installtion |
| 04:06.21 | timmmaaaayyy | lol j/k |
| 04:07.01 | pbase | and please use jigdo |
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| 04:08.30 | cab00t | Where can I download Wheezy (testing)? |
| 04:09.16 | ChibaPet | cab00t: http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
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| 04:10.25 | pbase | cab00t: would highly suggest you to use jigdo. it saves a log of Debian bw |
| 04:10.30 | pbase | lot* |
| 04:10.42 | cab00t | Was just about to ask what one to use... :p |
| 04:10.53 | ChibaPet | Or do what I do and use HTTP to pound on a local mirror. |
| 04:11.04 | cab00t | So in DVD (Via Jiggo), I go for amd64 for 64bit version? |
| 04:11.05 | pbase | you would need simply the first disk for working installtion |
| 04:11.18 | ChibaPet | cab00t: yes |
| 04:11.26 | cab00t | Cool, tnx. |
| 04:11.33 | pbase | cab00t: depends on your processor |
| 04:11.54 | SomeoneWeird | amd64 is 64 bit... |
| 04:12.00 | cab00t | What are all these other builds, for different processor architectures? |
| 04:12.07 | cab00t | Didn't know it was this diverse... |
| 04:12.17 | pbase | if you have an old 32-bit proc, go for 32 bit |
| 04:12.26 | ChibaPet | Wait, where's the Alpha arch media? Eek! Eek! |
| 04:12.37 | pbase | cab00t: welcome to Debian :) the universal os |
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| 04:13.13 | cab00t | Thanks pbase... But I got to ask, what can possibly be in 10 dvds...? |
| 04:13.17 | cab00t | :) |
| 04:13.19 | ChibaPet | pbase: I came here years ago from NetBSD, so my standards are high there, but anyway. :P |
| 04:13.20 | pbase | packages |
| 04:13.22 | timmmaaaayyy | thanks for all the help ChibaPet |
| 04:13.36 | ChibaPet | timmmaaaayyy: Does this mean success? Or are you giving up for now? |
| 04:13.37 | cab00t | pbase, all of the packages from the repos? |
| 04:13.47 | pbase | yes! till date |
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| 04:14.11 | ChibaPet | timmmaaaayyy: You're welcome, anyway. Good luck with it. I might do something similar here before long. |
| 04:14.12 | timmmaaaayyy | i'm doing this just for fun…..so i'm going to give centos a god since it has a dedicated EFI installer…..then maybe tomorrow i'll screw around with debian again |
| 04:14.30 | pbase | timmmaaaayyy: you can try arch |
| 04:14.56 | cab00t | pbase, can you explain this jidgo a bit? |
| 04:14.59 | timmmaaaayyy | i notice on reddit that a ton of people use that…… i've never tried it out |
| 04:15.23 | ChibaPet | timmmaaaayyy: Amusingly, the RHEL clones are a bit of a pain to install if you want to do it with a USB stick. As far as I've seen, you can't. |
| 04:15.37 | ChibaPet | But if you're doing it from CD, this doesn't apply. |
| 04:15.45 | timmmaaaayyy | i bet i can ;) i'ts already in progress |
| 04:15.51 | ChibaPet | heh |
| 04:15.54 | pbase | caboot: this tool is basically a package downloader. when you download an iso you save its image. but with time it sees upgrades. this utility simply then downloads the required delta packages and updates teh iso |
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| 04:16.32 | cab00t | Nice. |
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| 04:16.44 | cab00t | But eventually it downloads a regular iso? |
| 04:16.46 | pbase | so you dont have to download the complete iso the next time |
| 04:16.56 | pbase | for the first time yes |
| 04:17.13 | cab00t | Ok, cool. |
| 04:17.36 | timmmaaaayyy | pbase: what is arch's package maanger? it's own thing, right? |
| 04:17.39 | cab00t | And you said I need dvd1 to install? Is a regular dvd live? |
| 04:17.40 | pbase | you can simply catch hold of your debian friends and get from them a live image |
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| 04:18.18 | pbase | cab00t: it is a installer not a live media |
| 04:18.25 | cab00t | pbase, ok. |
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| 04:19.23 | pbase | timmmaaaayyy: i cannot recall the name of its package manager. a little googling would help. yes every distro has its own package manger |
| 04:19.46 | timmmaaaayyy | well apt-get is used in alot of stuff….but i think arch's is specific to ONLY arch |
| 04:19.49 | timmmaaaayyy | but i may be wrong |
| 04:20.06 | pbase | apt is alos a package manager as i said earlier |
| 04:21.02 | pbase | debian based derivations normally use apt as the default package manager |
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| 04:21.22 | pbase | but yes, most of them are very strongly coupled |
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| 04:21.46 | pbase | i am not aware of one in which you can actually change the package manager |
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| 05:52.40 | LordVorp | SO I'm trying to get a module to print debug info when it loads so I can straighten out its firmware problem, but despite my .conf file in /etc/modprobe.d, it doesn't seem to be reading the options. Is this the right place? |
| 05:52.55 | LordVorp | ... to put the options/ |
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| 05:53.49 | ectospasm | <PROTECTED> |
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| 05:58.11 | LordVorp | ! didn't know about /sys... checking |
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| 06:01.21 | LordVorp | wow. okay, well it's not seeing my parameter, and why didn't I know about /sys before today? :) |
| 06:01.30 | LordVorp | because that's very cool |
| 06:02.22 | ectospasm | LordVorp: perhaps you haven't named the modprobe.d/*.conf file correctly |
| 06:02.41 | ectospasm | ...or you didn't preface the parameter line with "options" |
| 06:02.54 | ectospasm | (or is it "option"? I can't remember right now) |
| 06:03.19 | LordVorp | the file is called /etc/modprobe.d/libertas_debug.conf, and it has one line: options libertas_debug=0xFFFFFFFF |
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| 06:31.40 | Skilz | How do I setup my wifi |
| 06:31.59 | Skilz | What happened was the AP name has been changed and password and it's WPA now instead of WEP. |
| 06:32.18 | ectospasm | Skilz: are you using Network Manager? |
| 06:32.35 | Skilz | I'm using the console |
| 06:33.47 | ectospasm | yeah, I don't manage my wlan0 iface from console |
| 06:33.58 | ectospasm | Skilz: you may need to look into wpa_supplicant |
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| 06:34.36 | Skilz | So I need to install something? I have not net access |
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| 06:40.33 | BIGBOOMBA | Having trouble downloading an installation image from debian.org. Can someone try and let me know if it's just me? |
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| 06:41.49 | ectospasm | BIGBOOMBA: which image? |
| 06:41.54 | ectospasm | linky linky |
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| 06:44.07 | BIGBOOMBA | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.6/i386/iso-cd/debian-6.0.6-i386-netinst.iso |
| 06:44.12 | BIGBOOMBA | The connection was reset. |
| 06:45.14 | ectospasm | BIGBOOMBA: seems I'm getting a timeout |
| 06:45.38 | BIGBOOMBA | The larger i386 install times out too. |
| 06:45.54 | BIGBOOMBA | I think I had this same problem a month or so ago as well. |
| 06:45.59 | ectospasm | maybe try a mirror |
| 06:46.08 | thieh | question: how exactly do I configure raid arrays during install? |
| 06:46.24 | thieh | or lvm that spans multiple drives? |
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| 06:49.09 | LordVorp | BIGBOOMBA: or bittorrent. |
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| 06:49.56 | BIGBOOMBA | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.6/i386/bt-dvd/ |
| 06:50.06 | BIGBOOMBA | That's the bittorrent DVD image link. Timed out. |
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| 06:55.25 | BIGBOOMBA | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.6/i386/bt-cd/ |
| 06:55.27 | Skilz | In the Debian Net Install CD, why is there just a WEP wifi 'Configure the network' setting? |
| 06:55.31 | Skilz | Why not WPA? |
| 06:55.35 | BIGBOOMBA | That's the CD bittorrent link. Timed out. |
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| 06:58.42 | BIGBOOMBA | So is anyone able to get an installation image (CD or DVD) for i386 from anywhere? |
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| 07:06.29 | guzu | hello all |
| 07:06.48 | guzu | i can not wget -c http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.6/i386/iso-cd/debian-6.0.6-i386-netinst.iso |
| 07:07.06 | guzu | ... failed: Network is unreachable. |
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| 07:08.11 | wols | BIGBOOMBA: http://www.mmnt.net/db/0/0/ftp.lv.freebsd.org/mirrors/ftp.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.3/i386/iso-cd |
| 07:09.43 | BIGBOOMBA | Dang, I only have a DVD to use. |
| 07:09.51 | wols | or for a torrent: http://www.tuxdistro.com/torrents-details.php?id=1713&hit=1 |
| 07:10.09 | wols | BIGBOOMBA: you can burn a CD ISO to a DVD.works fine. or download DVD1 |
| 07:10.16 | BIGBOOMBA | Ok, thanks. |
| 07:12.26 | BIGBOOMBA | That's strange...when I click on one of the .iso links I get an alert that says "550 Failed to change directory." |
| 07:12.49 | guzu | wols, thank you, i'll get it from a mirror |
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| 07:15.00 | BIGBOOMBA | As for the torrent, Transmission says "Tracker gave an error: "torrent not found" - idle" |
| 07:16.11 | BIGBOOMBA | ...and yet it's downloading. Huh. |
| 07:17.58 | wols | BIGBOOMBA: DHT |
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| 07:22.40 | vaillor | hi guys |
| 07:22.56 | vaillor | where is the mounted devices dicertory? |
| 07:23.07 | vaillor | /home/mnt ? |
| 07:23.42 | blixten | mounted devices? |
| 07:23.52 | vaillor | yes |
| 07:23.53 | r3m | ./media |
| 07:23.56 | blixten | df -h |
| 07:24.02 | blixten | and you shall see whats mounted |
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| 07:24.41 | blixten | blkid and you shall see your devices, such as hdd,cdrom,usb |
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| 07:25.18 | vaillor | it's empty |
| 07:25.23 | cardamon | Hey. |
| 07:25.37 | vaillor | i'm trying to installa vmware tools |
| 07:26.01 | vaillor | to debian console guest |
| 07:26.53 | r3m | Maybe /mnt |
| 07:27.09 | vaillor | empty |
| 07:27.57 | vaillor | maybe i need to mount the device |
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| 07:28.13 | vaillor | how to know list of mountable devices? |
| 07:28.29 | blixten | blkid i said |
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| 07:28.42 | r3m | ^ |
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| 07:29.10 | vaillor | command not found |
| 07:29.11 | agiofws | hello |
| 07:29.26 | r3m | Sudo blkid |
| 07:30.11 | Agiofws | hello i installed wheezy yesterday but gnome did load? properly all my icons and configuration has gone is there any log file anywhere i can look into ? |
| 07:31.48 | Agiofws | i don't even have a log out button anymore |
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| 07:33.17 | wols | ag4ve: what videodriver? |
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| 07:33.43 | wols | there is .xsession-errors usually. or you can run it via startx and see errors on the console |
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| 07:41.43 | guzu | maybe boot with nomodeset |
| 07:41.55 | guzu | Agiofws, ^ |
| 07:42.32 | Agiofws | guzu, nomodset ? |
| 07:42.54 | Agiofws | i have lost all my icons and stuff and i think gnome is not working properly ... |
| 07:43.03 | guzu | yes, append it to kernel line, at boot time or in /boot/grub2/grub.cfg |
| 07:43.19 | guzu | in gnome3 icons are gone anyway |
| 07:43.34 | ectospasm | icons are overrated, anyway |
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| 07:43.45 | Agiofws | no click an drag icons from menu to desktop anymore ? why ? |
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| 07:44.03 | guzu | it's called "improvement" by gnome people |
| 07:44.05 | ectospasm | Agiofws: gnome3devs' infinite wisdom |
| 07:44.25 | Agiofws | guzu, let me check my grub lines |
| 07:44.27 | guzu | still, there's fallback mode |
| 07:45.27 | ectospasm | guzu: not anymore. GNOME3 dropped Fallback/Classic mode |
| 07:45.38 | ectospasm | ...maybe not in wheezy, I dunno |
| 07:45.47 | guzu | you may reach fallback mode with nomodeset, temporary, then go to control-center and force fallback mode ("details", "graphics") then boot without nomodeset |
| 07:45.48 | ectospasm | I haven't used GNOME in a while because of that |
| 07:45.56 | guzu | ectospasm, in gnome3.8, afaik |
| 07:46.09 | guzu | wheezy has 3.4, i think |
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| 07:46.39 | Zambezi | Firefox crashed and locked it self so I can't start it. I Which files locks it? Removing profiles.ini is really not an option. When everythings messed up but it starts. |
| 07:46.40 | guzu | ectospasm, it's still present in fedora 18 which jas 3.6 |
| 07:46.48 | Agiofws | /boot/grub$ ? |
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| 07:46.54 | Agiofws | no grub2 dir |
| 07:47.07 | Agiofws | where is my grub.cfg ? |
| 07:47.07 | guzu | has no debian install available |
| 07:47.29 | guzu | Agiofws, maybe /boot/grub, i can't trll right now |
| 07:47.33 | guzu | tell |
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| 07:47.54 | guzu | anyone has a wheezy available to check? |
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| 07:48.12 | guzu | or maybe i have, just a minute |
| 07:48.32 | ectospasm | guzu: I have GNOME 3.4+7 installed on this wheezy system |
| 07:48.40 | ectospasm | ...but I don't use it anymore |
| 07:49.00 | ectospasm | I may still use some GNOME-centric programs still |
| 07:49.04 | guzu | ues, it's a pita :) |
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| 07:49.34 | guzu | has to buy a kbd with lights |
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| 07:50.23 | guzu | and the sdcard wheezy is not booting :( |
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| 07:50.40 | guzu | ectospasm, can you tell me where is grub.cfg on wheezy? |
| 07:51.09 | ectospasm | normally you don't want to be mucking about in grub.cfg |
| 07:51.36 | ectospasm | you'll want to modify something in /etc/grub.d/*, and run update-grub |
| 07:51.50 | guzu | right, but if it's only temporary ... |
| 07:52.04 | BIGBOOMBA | Thanks for linking me to the torrent, wols. |
| 07:52.22 | ectospasm | if it's only temporary, why not override the grub cmdline at boot time? |
| 07:52.28 | guzu | agree |
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| 07:54.00 | boudiccas | Zambezi: look for a firefox.pid or firefox.lock which may be locking it against you |
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| 07:55.54 | Zambezi | boudiccas: .parentlock. I renamed it and all set which is good cause I need it. |
| 07:56.25 | jagginess | Zambezi, that sound like your kids are trying to access porn |
| 07:56.38 | jagginess | Zambezi, pervert :p |
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| 08:00.19 | Zambezi | jagginess: Maybe that's Mozilla stopping me. There's a service for paying with your cellphone and that didn't allow porn. An American company of course. Double standard is USA middle name. |
| 08:00.33 | Agiofws | guzu, what does nomodset do ? |
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| 08:03.17 | wols | !tell Agiofws about kms |
| 08:03.56 | wols | Agiofws: what videodriver do you use? |
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| 08:04.56 | Agiofws | amd-driver-installer-12.6-legacy-x86.x86_64.run but when i moved to wheezy its not working anymore |
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| 08:06.54 | wols | Agiofws: normal. that's one reason why we don't support that stuff from amd.com |
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| 08:07.32 | Agiofws | yes buts its the only drivers that gives me 3d acceleration |
| 08:08.30 | Agiofws | wols, where do i set nomodset ? in /etc/grub.d/40_custom ? |
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| 08:09.02 | wols | ask guzu, he suggested it. why he would do it I don't know |
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| 08:12.19 | Agiofws | driver* |
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| 08:15.46 | Agiofws | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:15.57 | nearst | /etc/default/grub? |
| 08:16.12 | Agiofws | in grub.cfg ? or /etc/grub.d/40_custom ? http://www.pasteall.org/38734 ? ? |
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| 08:28.19 | mand | Hi, I've installed msttcorefonts and the fonts are installed in /usr/share/fonts/truetype but those are not available in Firefox started in a Xvfb. What could be the reason? |
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| 08:47.13 | guzu | eh, i've missed this |
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| 08:53.01 | standoo | what are the downsides using a ported package from another distro? |
| 08:54.10 | ectospasm | standoo: it won't work? It could cause real problems for your OS which will be hard to extricate? |
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| 09:01.02 | format_c | Ööä |
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| 09:04.25 | jaseemabid | How do I check which package installed a particular executable? |
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| 09:04.57 | nkuttler | jaseemabid: dpkg -S `which foo` |
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| 09:05.07 | ectospasm | jaseemabid: dpkg -S $(which file) |
| 09:05.17 | ectospasm | nkuttler: ya beat me to it |
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| 09:05.35 | jaseemabid | Thanks to both! |
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| 09:06.35 | jimcooncat | Doing my first wheezy install from beta, I'm surprised that it tells me the gnome is the default desktop. I thought it was xfce this time around. |
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| 09:07.16 | jaseemabid | jimcooncat That was reverted or something? |
| 09:07.18 | ectospasm | jimcooncat: it's just a default, most folks don't use it |
| 09:07.47 | jimcooncat | maybe they'll change it before the release |
| 09:08.12 | ectospasm | not likely |
| 09:08.18 | ectospasm | hence "frozen" |
| 09:08.48 | ectospasm | !frozen |
| 09:08.48 | dpkg | hmm... frozen is the state software resides in /before/ it becomes stable. Frozen means no new packages/features can be added, only bugs can be fixed. Frozen does /not/ mean stable. <Squeeze> is now frozen: http://www.debian.org/News/2010/20100806 |
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| 09:09.10 | ectospasm | er, should read <Wheezy> is now frozen |
| 09:09.48 | jimcooncat | what's the common take on having a root password for a shared desktop system? leave it blank and use sudo, or are we back to real root passwords now? |
| 09:10.31 | ectospasm | personal preference. If you choose not to have a root password, the system is only as secure as the sudoers' passwords. |
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| 09:10.33 | peterrooney | jimcooncat: there's no one common take |
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| 09:14.53 | jimcooncat | thanks |
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| 09:40.16 | lxsameer | hi, i want to add new architecture to my debian but dpkg does not have the --add-architecture, how can i add a new arch support? |
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| 09:41.04 | Bernat | lxsameer: you can't if your Debian versions doesn't suppor multiarch |
| 09:41.21 | Bernat | wheezy will be the first version supporting it |
| 09:41.36 | lxsameer | BenNZ, thanks |
| 09:41.45 | mmnicolas | can we expect a "Joy" themed debian.org when Wheezy is out ? I can't seem to find where that banner is taken from. The current banner is not even from the Spacefun package |
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| 09:51.17 | Skilz | How can I connect to WPA network on Debian? The machine has no internet access at the moment |
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| 09:51.28 | tx0h | hello |
| 09:52.03 | Skilz | Even on the net install setup there is no WPA option, only WEP. |
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| 09:52.21 | Rienzilla | you need wpa_supplicant |
| 09:52.35 | Rienzilla | so if you don't have it, you can't I think |
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| 09:52.40 | tx0h | there seems to be a problem with the package search engine on debian.org? |
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| 09:52.53 | ectospasm | Skilz: http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi |
| 09:54.28 | Skilz | Rienzilla: Yeah but why isn't wpa_supplicant on the net install disk? |
| 09:54.43 | Skilz | It only have a wep option for setting up the network. |
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| 09:58.21 | Skilz | Also one other problem, when I type the # hash symbol it comes out as the British pound symbol. How do I fix this? |
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| 09:58.37 | Skilz | Therefor I can't even comment anything out. |
| 09:58.58 | ectospasm | Skilz: did you choose a UK keyboard layout? |
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| 09:59.44 | Skilz | Possibly |
| 09:59.48 | Skilz | How can I change that? |
| 10:00.11 | ectospasm | http://wiki.debian.org/Keyboard |
| 10:00.13 | ectospasm | Skilz: ^ |
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| 10:04.13 | Skilz | I just inserted a USB stick and it was picked up as sdd, where can I find it to browse or how can I mount it? |
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| 10:06.48 | ectospasm | Skilz: mount -t auto /dev/sdd1 /mnt |
| 10:07.06 | ectospasm | replace "sdd1" with the full partition device name |
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| 10:08.44 | Skilz | How do I make ifconfig use dhcp ethernet |
| 10:09.35 | Skilz | This commuter is a mess |
| 10:09.42 | Skilz | Trying to get it online is one big hastle |
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| 10:11.10 | ectospasm | I use dhclient for acquiring a DHCP lease |
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| 10:12.32 | Skilz | How the hell am I supposed to install debian with wpa? |
| 10:12.37 | Skilz | It's not even in the setup |
| 10:13.22 | themill | Skilz: the squeeze installer can't |
| 10:13.41 | squeeze9 | hi, i need to install a package from unstable/sid in stable/squeeze, would it break apt if i just add an apt line for a sid repository in sources.list? |
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| 10:14.14 | themill | squeeze9: quite probably |
| 10:14.27 | themill | dpkg: tell squeeze9 about backports |
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| 10:14.40 | squeeze9 | i need to access my phone(android gingerbread) in USB mass storage mode, and from what i've googled installing gmtp should allow me to do it, now the package for gmtp is only available in sid repos |
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| 10:16.02 | themill | squeeze9: perhaps upgrading to wheezy would be a better plan at this stage. It's almost ready for release but doesn't quite have full security support from the security team |
| 10:16.03 | ectospasm | squeeze9: turning on USB mass storage mode should make it show up as a device in /dev (typically /dev/sdXY), so you should be able to access it with mount |
| 10:17.16 | squeeze9 | ectoplasm: how do i turn on USB Mass storage? theres no option for that in the phone, connecting it to the computer runs MTP |
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| 10:17.53 | ectospasm | squeeze9: I haven't dealt with gingerbread in some time, so I can't answer that, unfortunately |
| 10:18.28 | squeeze9 | its stupid really, they take linux do some java voodoo to it and then make it inaccessible from Linux itself!!! |
| 10:19.11 | ectospasm | ...in ICS, when I plug it into my computer via USB a USB icon shows up in the system drawer, and I can enable USB mass storage mode that way |
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| 10:19.33 | ectospasm | IIRC, it worked that way in 2.3.4, but that may be me misremembering it |
| 10:20.11 | squeeze9 | this one is a samsung, may be they added some stuff |
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| 10:20.27 | squeeze9 | gmtp isnt't in the squeeze-backports repos |
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| 10:22.58 | ectospasm | squeeze9: like themill said, unless security is your utmost concern, might as well go with wheezy, it's more likely to contain such a package |
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| 10:27.19 | squeeze9 | ectoplasm: i can't do it at the moment, i'll do the upgrade later...wonder if gnome3 will work on my laptop thought...till then i guess i'll continue looking around for a way to connect the phone...some of the storage does show up even now, but not the internal SD card |
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| 10:33.43 | maxxe | wheezy is gonna rock ! |
| 10:34.16 | blackness | im sure it will |
| 10:34.29 | blackness | but i like squeeze ;P |
| 10:34.37 | blackness | its been so wonderful to me :) |
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| 10:35.24 | maxxe | yeah i am on squeeze now as well, i always stay on stable until next is released |
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| 10:37.57 | maxxe | damn nice to rest out a bit on the weekends. weekdays is so tuff that i am about to choke :D j/k |
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| 10:47.51 | Benkinooby | hi, is there a tool that allows me to view long time traffic statistics on commandline? something like iptraf/iftop/nethogs but "long term"? i'd prefer something ncurse based - don't want to run a webserver or X for it |
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| 10:54.08 | dawud | Benkinooby: bmon is nice, but maybe not what you're looking for |
| 10:55.44 | Benkinooby | dawud: i'll have a look. so far i came across nmon, ipaudit(might require webserv) and ipband |
| 10:56.15 | dawud | Benkinooby: it's a tiny little app, you can safely install it, test it and decide |
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| 10:56.59 | dawud | Benkinooby: it only depends on libc6 and libncurses5 |
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| 10:57.33 | Benkinooby | dawud: http://www.infradead.org/~tgr/bmon/ says "bmon is intended for debugging and real-time monitoring purposes. If you are looking for long term monitoring applications, the use of MRTG - The Multi Router Traffic Grapher is a far better alternative." :) |
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| 10:58.39 | meti | Benkinooby: i use bmon on my openwrt router |
| 10:58.41 | Benkinooby | dawud: my quest for this software was inspired by the nice graphs htop can draw for cpu performace |
| 10:59.41 | Benkinooby | meti: hm, bmon might replace iptraf which i am currently using.. |
| 11:00.07 | Benkinooby | btw i want to run it on a small, headless home server |
| 11:00.58 | dawud | Benkinooby: then you might better of collecting the info yourself and feeding rrd/graphite with it |
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| 11:03.27 | Benkinooby | dawud: probably... i like bmon, i'll keep it :) |
| 11:03.51 | dawud | Benkinooby: nice |
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| 11:04.18 | Benkinooby | just think i'll lower it's update frequence... |
| 11:04.32 | Benkinooby | *its |
| 11:05.08 | Benkinooby | meti dawud thank you two for your input - very helpful |
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| 11:21.28 | untaken_ | I have just installed Debian, how do I get my ATI card working correctly? I read on the Internet I need to rebuild my kernel, surely that can't be right? |
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| 11:26.06 | EmleyMoor | untaken_: In general, you will not need to rebuild the kernel. Which card is it exactly? |
| 11:26.29 | zinx | untaken_: generally, you just install the debian package for it |
| 11:26.42 | untaken_ | 1 mo... |
| 11:26.50 | EmleyMoor | The exact package needed will depend on the card, of course |
| 11:26.59 | zinx | untaken_: that should be set up to use dkms or simply have a prebuilt kernel module |
| 11:27.23 | untaken_ | btw, I picked Testing |
| 11:27.38 | EmleyMoor | untaken_: No great problem, I'm on testing |
| 11:28.05 | EmleyMoor | (and one of my machines uses an ATI graphics chipset) |
| 11:28.43 | untaken_ | is there away to find out the card? |
| 11:29.00 | zinx | lspci | grep VGA |
| 11:29.10 | EmleyMoor | untaken_: lspci? Failing that, it would be from your knowledge or spec sheet |
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| 11:29.21 | untaken_ | Radeon HD 7000 |
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| 11:31.38 | zinx | fglrx-driver seems like the one you want (along with fglrx-glx, fglrx-modules-dkms, possibly fglrx-control and fglrx-atieventsd) |
| 11:32.04 | wols | untaken_: which radeon 7000? there are many |
| 11:32.09 | untaken_ | zinx: I'll install these through aptitude now then |
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| 11:32.16 | untaken_ | wols: I'll open it up |
| 11:33.42 | wols | if it's a fast one 7750 and up, you need fglrx, the lower ones you can use fglrx or radeon, whatever you want |
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| 11:34.56 | untaken_ | heh. got card in my hand now and can't find what it is :/ |
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| 11:36.22 | zinx | untaken_: just use fglrx :/ |
| 11:36.26 | untaken_ | states ati 102-c26405b on it, and a quick google comes back with Amd Radeon HD6450 1GB PCIe Video Card |
| 11:36.30 | zinx | untaken_: unless you're a free software nut ;) |
| 11:36.59 | zinx | untaken_: you can generally look for the PCI ID as well |
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| 11:37.38 | untaken_ | zinx: wouldn't know where that is |
| 11:37.43 | Guest7269 | What is a mirror to download daily image? main site is not working |
| 11:37.52 | zinx | untaken_: you get it via lspci |
| 11:38.17 | untaken_ | k |
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| 11:41.17 | untaken_ | just checked BIOS and says the video controller is AMD Radeon HD 7470 |
| 11:42.01 | untaken_ | I'll use fglrx then |
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| 11:43.04 | untaken_ | zinx: do I need all those you mention above? |
| 11:43.45 | wols | then you can use radeon |
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| 11:44.24 | untaken_ | wols: so use radeon, not fglrx? is the package simply radeon |
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| 11:45.36 | wols | you can use either. radeon is already installed by default, tho you might need firmware-linux-nonfree for it |
| 11:45.40 | untaken_ | I started installing that fglrx before you mentioned that wols ,so rebooting to give it a go |
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| 11:46.23 | untaken_ | ok, that well and truely broke it now. All I got is a flashing cursor |
| 11:46.31 | zinx | o_O |
| 11:46.45 | untaken_ | :/ |
| 11:47.27 | nkuttler | untaken_: well check your logs |
| 11:47.57 | untaken_ | I think I'll have to reinstall, as I can't get to anything now |
| 11:48.07 | untaken_ | ctrl+alt+f1 etc is not working |
| 11:48.47 | nkuttler | untaken_: boot into single user mode |
| 11:49.14 | untaken_ | ok |
| 11:49.58 | untaken_ | how do I do that from grub command line again? init 1 |
| 11:50.08 | untaken_ | telinit? |
| 11:51.06 | nkuttler | untaken_: there should be a menu entry |
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| 11:52.32 | untaken_ | ermm its either enter to boot it up, or e to edit |
| 11:52.41 | untaken_ | unless I am missing somethin |
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| 11:53.36 | untaken_ | c for command line |
| 11:53.46 | untaken_ | unless your referring to recovery mode |
| 11:53.56 | cardamon | Is the encrypted drive option with partman luks? |
| 11:54.01 | cardamon | In the debian-installer |
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| 11:55.19 | untaken_ | okay, thats it. I have just removed fglrx-driver. Do I need to do anything to revert back? |
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| 11:58.40 | untaken_ | does a reinstall |
| 12:00.18 | boudiccas | untaken_: i was in a similar situation as you, removed fglrx-driver and got my system so screwed that iin th eend it was quicker and safer to reinstall |
| 12:01.17 | untaken_ | boudiccas: I am just trying to work out what will I do next, after the reinstall. As installing the fglrx-driver package didn't work :( |
| 12:02.10 | boudiccas | i tried that and ended up with a totally scrweed system, so now i stay with the open-source drivers, and just been aplaying arally-driving game, andthe graphics were very good |
| 12:02.20 | boudiccas | screwed |
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| 12:02.38 | nkuttler | untaken_: so.. what seems to be the problem? |
| 12:02.44 | rook2pawn | which version of debian are you using |
| 12:03.11 | untaken_ | rook2pawn: Testing |
| 12:03.17 | rook2pawn | i noticed that my fglrx-driver seems to work great under kmuto squeeze-backports |
| 12:03.42 | untaken_ | nkuttler: I just want to setup drivers for the graphics card in the machine. |
| 12:03.43 | boudiccas | rook2pawn: its not so hot under wheezy |
| 12:04.15 | untaken_ | ideally I wanted to use wheezy as stable is not really what I am after |
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| 12:04.58 | nkuttler | !tell untaken_ about errors |
| 12:05.02 | untaken_ | do I need all these as well though fglrx-glx, fglrx-modules-dkms, possibly fglrx-control and fglrx-atieventsd? |
| 12:05.10 | untaken_ | as I never installed the above ^ |
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| 12:05.19 | boudiccas | untaken_: i've been using wheezy now for 4-5 months with very few problems. logcheck is broken and breaks logwatch as well, thats the only real problem i've had |
| 12:05.35 | untaken_ | ok good to know :) |
| 12:05.57 | nkuttler | untaken_: http://wiki.debian.org/ATIProprietary |
| 12:06.15 | rook2pawn | boudiccas: i never had luck with wheezy |
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| 12:06.58 | boudiccas | rook2pawn: you have to give it a bit of time and be willing to work with it and learn how to use it, but overall its good |
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| 12:07.11 | rook2pawn | backports is all the stability of stable but the updates of wheezy in a stable environment |
| 12:07.24 | rook2pawn | there is no reason imo to use anything else than backports |
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| 12:08.12 | Hotwire | rook2pawn: thats not really true, there is no additional testing for packages accepted into backports |
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| 12:09.02 | boudiccas | rook2pawn: if we all took that advice of yours then we'd never get 'Debian 7'. we need people willling to go out on a limb and test things and report bugs when they find them |
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| 12:14.28 | bluesceada | this is cool, i just installed debian freshly and and end in grub rescue> .... |
| 12:14.36 | cardamon | boudiccas: Emphasis on that last part. |
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| 12:16.16 | boudiccas | cardamon: not everyone can build patches, i certainly cant, but if there is a patch then i can apply it and report back if it works. i've got that tee shirt! :) |
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| 12:23.46 | skilz_ | I have a nice new Debian system now and no idea what to do with it. |
| 12:24.40 | boudiccas | Skilz: what version? if its wheezy, then install 'trigger' and learn to rally-drive |
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| 12:26.36 | boudiccas | Skilz: whatever version, install mpd and mpc and ncmpcpp and do streaming radio along with your music collection |
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| 12:31.54 | deadbeef_ | guise when is the next testing planned ? |
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| 12:32.36 | boudiccas | deadbeef_: who is 'guise' please? |
| 12:33.01 | deadbeef_ | you guise |
| 12:33.14 | boudiccas | deadbeef_: he's certainly not in this channel |
| 12:33.41 | deadbeef_ | (it's to mean guys) |
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| 12:34.48 | boudiccas | deadbeef_: then why not use the correct word, and we're not all 'guys' here, i'm female |
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| 12:35.04 | deadbeef_ | meh |
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| 12:35.46 | themill | boudiccas: we've been through this enough times. Offering help is much more useful than correcting grammar. |
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| 12:40.08 | skilz_ | boudiccas: Streaming online? |
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| 12:41.42 | babilen | skilz_: Please keep comments like that to yourself in the future. Thank you. |
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| 12:43.55 | soomsoom | what i need to do/ |
| 12:43.56 | soomsoom | ? |
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| 15:17.44 | boudiccas | how do i find out if a particular program/class/whatever is provided by python 2.7 please? like one of the ones i'm interested in is 'cpickle'. the ultimate aim is to have weather forecasted in my conky script |
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| 15:19.46 | frostschutz | boudiccas: python, import cPickle, help(cPickle)? |
| 15:20.03 | boudiccas | frostschutz: ok, thanks |
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| 15:22.32 | boudiccas | frostschutz: brilliant, thanks, a lot simpler than i thought it would be |
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| 15:45.37 | max999 | hello. how can i make dwb my systemwide standard browser? update-alternatives: error: no alternatives for x-www-browser |
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| 15:46.18 | dvs | max999: Are you using KDE? |
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| 15:46.53 | max999 | dvs, openbox :) |
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| 15:56.48 | txomon|home | can someone help me enabling wifi in wheezy? it says missing firmware but I have already installed firmware-realtek |
| 15:58.00 | dvs | txomon|home: Does "iwlist wlan0 scan" list anything? |
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| 15:58.56 | txomon|home | doesn't support scaning network is down |
| 15:59.10 | txomon|home | and gnome-shell tells me firmware is missing |
| 15:59.26 | petn-randall | txomon|home: Is it even the right firmware we're talking about? |
| 15:59.40 | jacobw | txomon|home: aptitude install linux-firmware |
| 15:59.59 | petn-randall | txomon|home: Also, you might need to unload then reload the kernel module to use the firmware. |
| 16:00.51 | dvs | txomon|home: Do you know what chipset model number you have? |
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| 16:01.12 | txomon|home | petn-randall, dvs apt told me missing firmware |
| 16:01.15 | txomon|home | and said |
| 16:01.39 | txomon|home | rtl8168d-1.fw |
| 16:02.11 | txomon|home | jacobw, did you mean linux-wlan-ng-firmware? |
| 16:02.12 | dvs | txomon|home: lspci -nn | grep -i net |
| 16:02.14 | max999 | txomon|home, do dmesg and grep on wireless |
| 16:02.19 | max999 | or lspci yes |
| 16:02.56 | txomon|home | dvs RT2790 Wireless |
| 16:03.16 | dvs | txomon|home: I need the full text. |
| 16:04.12 | txomon|home | petn-randall, you were right, i am full of privative firmwares, realtek was for ethernet one, ralink the other |
| 16:04.25 | txomon|home | ok it is displaying now |
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| 16:06.14 | dvs | txomon|home: Then you need firmware-ralink |
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| 16:08.56 | Luke-Jr | Why does 'makepassword' not use /dev/random? :/ |
| 16:09.16 | Luke-Jr | makepasswd* |
| 16:09.56 | abrotman | it uses /dev/urandom |
| 16:09.59 | engla | what's makepsswd? |
| 16:10.07 | abrotman | engla: it's a package |
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| 16:11.46 | engla | what I don't understand is why urandom is as slow as 10MB/s on an arch with AES hardware instructions |
| 16:12.01 | engla | in my laymand mind fast aes should make fast urandom possible very easily |
| 16:12.14 | petn-randall | engla: 10MB/s of *real* *random* data is fscking fast. |
| 16:12.22 | engla | urandom is not real |
| 16:12.36 | Luke-Jr | abrotman: isn't urandom insecure? |
| 16:12.39 | engla | 10MB/s is useless for overwriting a disk of normal size |
| 16:12.53 | engla | however, hardware aes is 450 MB/s which is better |
| 16:13.13 | engla | and if you are going to trust your data to AES-NI later, why not trust it when overwriting the disk too? |
| 16:13.15 | jelly-home | engla: but... what does aes acceleration have to do with PRNG? |
| 16:13.29 | jelly-home | or HW RNG |
| 16:13.29 | Luke-Jr | engla: maybe I'm wrong, but isn't AES for encryption, not random generation? |
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| 16:14.05 | engla | Luke-Jr: so? it being a good crypto requires the data to be indistinguishable from randomness |
| 16:14.23 | Luke-Jr | engla: with a good random key perhaps |
| 16:14.31 | engla | just suggesting /dev/random for key, then /dev/zero | aes > disk |
| 16:14.54 | Luke-Jr | i c |
| 16:14.56 | engla | jelly-home: urandom already uses crypto |
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| 16:15.22 | jelly-home | engla: ok...? |
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| 16:15.36 | jelly-home | engla: what's your actual goal? |
| 16:15.37 | petn-randall | well, overwriting a disk with zeros is sufficient, better though is the security erase. |
| 16:15.46 | frostschutz | linux doesn't have a random device suitable for producing gigabytes of data |
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| 16:16.02 | engla | jelly-home: debian overwrites disks from /dev/urandom when setting up LUKS and it's ridiculously slow |
| 16:16.03 | jelly-home | petn-randall: overwriting with zeros exposes the fact there's no data there |
| 16:16.06 | Luke-Jr | petn-randall: sufficient for what? |
| 16:16.25 | petn-randall | reading anything from that disk by normal means (aka 'the interface') will not return the overwritten data. |
| 16:16.34 | Luke-Jr | pretty sure data recovery can get past overwrite-by-zeros |
| 16:16.36 | frostschutz | engla: shred -n 1 is nice and fast for overwriting disks with pseudo random |
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| 16:16.44 | jelly-home | engla: didn't know that, I set up luks manually and it performed well |
| 16:16.49 | petn-randall | Luke-Jr: to destroy the data. |
| 16:16.53 | engla | well you can't choose how to overwrite in the installer |
| 16:16.56 | Towzzer | writing your disk with all 0s is all you need to do |
| 16:17.07 | Luke-Jr | petn-randall: if someone can recovery it, it isn't destroyed |
| 16:17.15 | zinx | Luke-Jr: on conventional magnetic drives, you need some pretty sophisticated hardware to get data out of a drive that's been zero'd |
| 16:17.26 | Luke-Jr | zinx: sure, but that hardware exists |
| 16:17.30 | frostschutz | Luke-Jr: no |
| 16:17.36 | petn-randall | Luke-Jr: I highly doubt it's possible with the HDD densities there are nowadays. |
| 16:17.36 | engla | Towzzer, no, you want the unused parts to be unrecognizable if you have a crypted disk |
| 16:17.40 | zinx | Luke-Jr: it's not in common use by data recovery specialists, however. |
| 16:17.49 | jelly-home | engla: sounds like a bug in the installer, then |
| 16:17.53 | Luke-Jr | meh, if I'm going to destroy it, I'm going to destroy it completely |
| 16:18.27 | frostschutz | overwriting with zeroes is sufficient, if it actually does overwrite with zeroes. the problem with zeroes is they can be compressed or optimized away. |
| 16:18.28 | Towzzer | there was a great article by a security researcher on why writing all zeros was all you ever needed to do unless they had an electron microscope |
| 16:18.50 | zinx | Towzzer: pretty much |
| 16:18.57 | jelly-home | engla: have you checked http://bugs.debian.org/debian-installer already? |
| 16:19.03 | frostschutz | for example an SSD when you tell it to write zeroes, it can just as well TRIM, as trimmed sectors return zeroes when you read them, but you've not overwritten anythign then |
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| 16:19.16 | engla | jelly-home: no |
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| 16:19.34 | petn-randall | frostschutz: well, that's not really overwriting them, is it? :) |
| 16:19.57 | frostschutz | petn-randall: yes, but that is the problem. when you write zeroes you may not be really overwriting anything with these new "smart" drives. |
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| 16:20.10 | zinx | frostschutz: SSD has all sorts of wear-levelling stuff that will prevent it from actually overwriting too |
| 16:20.16 | frostschutz | petn-randall: so you have to write random to prevent the drive from cheating |
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| 16:20.31 | zinx | frostschutz: writing random stuff isn't really going to help you with SSD.. |
| 16:20.35 | petn-randall | frostschutz: SSDs are a different can of beans. But ATA security erase should still work. |
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| 16:22.10 | petn-randall | ^Z |
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| 16:25.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | kill %1 |
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| 16:26.07 | petn-randall | Damnit, #debian isn't stopping. Where do I file a bug report? |
| 16:27.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | bugs.debian.org? and weird as that may be, the official spelling included in dictionaries and stuff is "dammit" :P |
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| 16:27.21 | jelly-home | petn-randall: your irssi is broken! |
| 16:27.34 | petn-randall | tabs over to #irssi. |
| 16:27.49 | cusco | there it works fine, always stopped |
| 16:28.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | hehe |
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| 16:32.33 | anywhere | are there any debian devs in here |
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| 16:42.53 | anywhere | are there any debian developers in here |
| 16:43.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | looks under a stone |
| 16:43.11 | anywhere | or debian package maintainers |
| 16:43.31 | sney | occasionally, but you'd have a better chance of finding them in the related channels on irc.debian.org |
| 16:43.35 | sney | what's your question |
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| 16:44.13 | jelly-home | perhaps that WAS the question |
| 16:44.20 | anywhere | sney...ok i will look there...but i would like to get the debian package of outoforder changed to include some refresh rate and color depth options for the sludge engine component |
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| 16:44.21 | sney | ha, maybe |
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| 16:44.34 | sney | anywhere, then file a wishlist bug against that package. |
| 16:44.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | jelly-home, but then he might be a terrorist who wants to kill DDs |
| 16:44.53 | jelly-home | CutMeOwnThroat: or send them cake |
| 16:45.02 | anywhere | sney...well i don't have any idea how to do that...i would just rather talk to the debian developer |
| 16:45.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | jelly-home, lie! |
| 16:45.20 | ompaul | anywhere: well bugs.debian.org is a good place to start |
| 16:45.39 | sney | anywhere, filing a bug (http://bugs.debian.org) is how new features get added, packages get changed, etc. in debian. it is the proper way to do it. if you talk to a developer, they will tell you to do the same |
| 16:45.40 | ompaul | anywhere: they don't tend to do drive by requests without wishlist bugs being in place |
| 16:46.02 | jelly-home | ,i outoforder |
| 16:46.03 | judd | No package named 'outoforder' was found in squeeze/i386. |
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| 16:46.08 | anywhere | sney...well it is problematic because it only works on certain video hardware as it is currently debian packaged |
| 16:46.19 | jelly-home | ,i out-of-order |
| 16:46.20 | judd | No package named 'out-of-order' was found in squeeze/i386. |
| 16:46.20 | sney | anywhere, that sounds more and more appropriate for a bug report then |
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| 16:47.54 | anywhere | sney well..let me lookup bugs.debian.org and see if i can understand any of that mess |
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| 16:48.23 | sney | anywhere, also, you can install the application 'reportbug' which will walk you through the bug reporting process and even send the report in for you |
| 16:48.35 | jelly-home | anywhere: packages.qa.debian.org/out-of-order says it's maintained by the Debian Games Team (pkg-games-devel at lists dot alioth dot debian.org) |
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| 16:49.25 | jelly-home | anywhere: are you an upstream developer for that software, or just a user? |
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| 16:49.29 | anywhere | jelly-home...well who are the debian games team and why do they only support certain video hardware |
| 16:50.09 | sney | anywhere, they probably don't have a lot of hardware at their disposal and don't know about the problem. reason #3 why you should FILE A BUG |
| 16:50.11 | sarid | so, why should one choose debian over any other distro? |
| 16:50.21 | jelly-home | sarid: /msg dpkg why debian |
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| 16:50.41 | themill | anywhere: a careful and well written bug report that explains precisely what you are looking for and why it's useful would be the best thing to do. Use the reportbug tool for this, /msg dpkg reportbug |
| 16:51.02 | anywhere | sney..well ok i will try to understand that mess..but it would be better if they just had realtime communications |
| 16:51.36 | ompaul | anywhere: on what basis, you going to pay for that? |
| 16:52.10 | themill | anywhere: someone needs to put doing this on a todo list. Why not do that step yourself rather than expecting someone else to do so? |
| 16:52.12 | anywhere | ompaul..i don't believe in paying a single dime for anything...the capitalist sobs won't give us any jobs to pay for anything wiht |
| 16:52.29 | jelly-home | anywhere: debian is made by volunteers, and they do their work in their free time. It's not reasonable to expect everyone to just be online whenever a user has problems, so offline channels like mail is used. |
| 16:52.40 | anywhere | ompaul..as long as they deprive us of any jobs..how can anyone pay for anything |
| 16:52.42 | sney | if the developers had to sit on irc all day and explain debian policy and packaging decisions and field complaints from users, no packaging would ever get done |
| 16:52.49 | ompaul | kill that troll please |
| 16:52.58 | themill | anywhere: I think it's time to move on now... |
| 16:53.08 | jelly-home | ompaul: easy with the name calling |
| 16:53.09 | anywhere | themill..ok ..bye |
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| 17:17.26 | Vasistha | Using wheezy, I want to configure a device to be mounted with execute permission. I set up a listing in /etc/fstab but it seems to ignore the exec flag. What to do? |
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| 17:18.52 | jhutchins | Vasistha: What do you expect, and what is happening instead? |
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| 17:19.10 | nkuttler | sounds like he expects exec and gets noexec |
| 17:19.12 | ompaul | Vasistha: assuming it is a linux file system is the program's own permissions executable ? |
| 17:19.30 | Vasistha | jhutchins: When I type mount /media/usb0 it should mount it with exec permission. But it is mounted with noexec. /etc/fstab shows /dev/sdb1 /media/usb0 auto rw,exec,user,noauto 0 0 |
| 17:20.00 | Vasistha | ompaul: it's vfat, so everything is executable |
| 17:20.20 | [Ov-]wl | erm do you have to chmod the mountpoint too ? |
| 17:20.30 | [Ov-]wl | i can't remember |
| 17:20.39 | jhutchins | Vasistha: What does mount show? |
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| 17:21.09 | Vasistha | /dev/sdb1 on /media/usb0 type vfat (rw,nosuid,nodev,noexec,relatime,uid=3051,gid=3051,fmask=0022,dmask=0022,codepage=cp437,iocharset=utf8,shortname=mixed,errors=remount-ro,user=mark) |
| 17:21.28 | [Ov-]wl | > noexec |
| 17:21.45 | Vasistha | I can mount -o remount,exec but I don't want to have to do that every time. I want it to mount properly by default, since I have configured /etc/fstab to specify that. |
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| 17:22.12 | [Ov-]wl | innit |
| 17:22.37 | [Ov-]wl | come to think about it, i have the same issue |
| 17:22.39 | Vasistha | [Ov-]wl: your nick is difficult to type. uh. anyway. no, you don't have to chmod the mount point. Directories don't specify whether their contents should be executable. |
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| 17:27.15 | [Ov-]wl | Vasistha it seems to be a udisk issue |
| 17:27.25 | Vasistha | [Ov-]wl: udisk or udev? |
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| 17:28.47 | [Ov-]wl | udisk apparently |
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| 17:32.48 | jhutchins | Vasistha: wheezy? |
| 17:32.54 | Vasistha | yes |
| 17:33.01 | Vasistha | jhutchins: yes |
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| 17:33.52 | Vasistha | what I really want is for TDE to do it properly. But I'm pretty sure whatever is blocking it from happening with /etc/fstab and mount would also block it for TDE. So first debug simple mount command with /etc/fstab and then maybe the TDE mounter will work |
| 17:34.48 | ToApolytoXaos | greetings everyone. i have noticed an awkward behavior on my system (wheezy 32-bit). when i had nouveau installed, it would flicker any DE, and in LXDE and xfce4 would freeze the entire OS, not letting me restart X or PC. When i decided to switch back to 173xx legacy non-free drivers (nvidia), it would work OK, but certain applications like VLC would crash without telling precisely why it threw segmentation fault. |
| 17:34.59 | ToApolytoXaos | has anyone faced such issue before? please advice, cheers. |
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| 17:38.12 | jhutchins | Vasistha: So if you comment the entry in fstab and just insert the drive, does it automount? |
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| 17:39.12 | jhutchins | Vasistha: I would expect that there might be a line in dmesg that shows what mechanism is mounting it; from there you can track down where it sets the defaults. |
| 17:39.25 | jhutchins | Great idea, devs, let's start ignoring the standard fstab. |
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| 17:40.49 | Vasistha | jhutchins: no auto-mount. dmesg doesn't give any indication as far as I can see. Want a pastebin? |
| 17:41.10 | peterrooney | jhutchins: you'd be surprised at the whacky ideas that get put forward on the debian-devel mailing list |
| 17:42.14 | jhutchins | Vasistha: Hmmm. |
| 17:42.26 | jhutchins | Vasistha: Which desktop? |
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| 17:42.34 | Vasistha | ToApolytoXaos: the salient thing I see here is "switch back to" which means you had the nvidia drivers installed in the past, correct? Well, they do not uninstall cleanly, which may explain why nouveau was not functioning properly - left over stuff from the nvidia install may have been blocking functionality. |
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| 17:42.41 | Vasistha | jhutchins: trinity |
| 17:42.55 | Vasistha | jhutchins: but right now I'm just using command-line mounting procedures |
| 17:44.33 | max999 | someone using dwb? cant get flash to work in it |
| 17:44.49 | jhutchins | ToApolytoXaos: Something you might consider (if this is a desktop) is opening up the case and re-seating everything - cables, DIMMs, video card (Nvidias don't have removable ram do they?). |
| 17:45.05 | jhutchins | Vasistha: It's getting those options from somewehre. |
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| 17:48.19 | jhutchins | Vasistha: So you say you're mounting manualy - what command? |
| 17:48.27 | Vasistha | jhutchins: mount /media/usb0 |
| 17:48.50 | jhutchins | Vasistha: Does it get the same options both with and without the fstab entry? |
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| 17:52.38 | Vasistha | jhutchins: oh how queer. it does not. without the /etc/fstab the "nosuid,nodev,noexec" are not present, though everything else is. Perhaps I need to add "defaults" to the flags |
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| 17:53.58 | Vasistha | no, that didn't fix it. |
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| 17:55.20 | aguitel | is there way to install whatsup ? |
| 17:55.36 | max999 | i need the package nspluginwrapper and added deb-multimedia.org to my sources, still cant locate it. any hints? |
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| 17:58.36 | jhutchins | Vasistha: Mine automounts via hald, but I'm on squeeze. |
| 17:58.59 | Vasistha | jhutchins: yeah, everything works on the squeeze machines |
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| 18:01.20 | jhutchins | "Hey, this works great, everything is as expected - let's SCREW IT UP FOR THE NEXT RELESE!!!" |
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| 18:03.32 | jelly-home | jhutchins: "hey, upstream broke this already, are we going to remove the software completely or keep it as it is" |
| 18:03.37 | jhutchins | Vasistha: I would see if anybody on #debian-next over on oftc.net can explain what's going on. This is definitely something that has to be at least correctly documented. You should also look for existing bugreports and file one yourself, something along the lines of "does not work as expected, unable to set mount options for usb device". |
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| 18:04.59 | nmschulte | I'm looking at building Linux 3.8-rc3. Are there any patches from Debian that I should really consider applying instead of running a stock kernel? |
| 18:05.08 | jhutchins | jelly-home: Yeah, broken is expected in testing, that's why it's there. I'm not saying the Debian devs are the ones who broke it - just this practice of taking the parts of Linux that really work well and "improving" them to where they no longer do. |
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| 18:05.38 | jhutchins | nmschulte: Obviously the people who included the patches think so. |
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| 18:06.18 | jelly-home | nmschulte: vanilla kernels should work well in debian, or at least as well as anywhere else |
| 18:06.19 | nmschulte | Agreed. Does anyone know what those are? |
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| 18:07.49 | jelly-home | now that squashfs is in the main tree, I don't think there're any essential patches |
| 18:08.05 | Vasistha | jhutchins: thanks, I'll do that! |
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| 18:09.14 | jelly-home | nmschulte: sorry, I don't know the specific info you need, but it's probably covered in /msg dpkg kernel handbook |
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| 18:09.46 | nmschulte | jelly-home: Yeah, no worries. Thanks for trying. |
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| 18:14.03 | Therion87 | Hello |
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| 18:19.42 | ToApolytoXaos | Vasistha, actually when i do such thing, that is switch from nouveau to non-free drivers, i purge the entire package list |
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| 18:24.03 | themill | jhutchins: jftr, this was quite simply a user error and nothing to do with changes to hal, fstab or anything else. |
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| 18:25.07 | Vasistha | need to specify "user" before specifying "exec" or else "exec" will be overridden by the "noexec" included in "user" |
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| 18:40.37 | leo-unglaub | hey, i want to mirror an debian repository server but i have an problem with rsync |
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| 18:40.59 | leo-unglaub | i use rsync -avz --delete rsync://debian-repos.server/ /srv/foo |
| 18:41.05 | ryankarason | anyone know which package the Mail command is in? |
| 18:41.18 | leo-unglaub | but the only thing i get displayed is the motd of the remote rsync server |
| 18:41.24 | leo-unglaub | any idea why? |
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| 18:43.12 | Vasistha | in squeeze, what is the recommended way to start the notification-daemon for notify-send? |
| 18:43.21 | boudiccas | if ' ls -la ~/.conky' only drills down one level, how do i get it to go down three levels please? |
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| 18:43.42 | leo-unglaub | boudiccas: ../../../ |
| 18:43.58 | boudiccas | hmm, thanks leo-unglaub |
| 18:44.07 | Vasistha | boudiccas: you want to see contents of subdirectories of ~/.conky ? |
| 18:44.32 | Vasistha | boudiccas: also I use ls -lA rather than -la because it hides . and .. which you almost never need to see |
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| 18:45.33 | boudiccas | Vasistha: yes, all the subdirectories |
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| 18:45.58 | Vasistha | boudiccas: do you want to drill down an unlimited number, or only exactly three? |
| 18:46.13 | boudiccas | Vasistha: hang on let me count |
| 18:46.48 | boudiccas | Vasistha: yes, 3 |
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| 18:47.10 | Vasistha | boudiccas: so if there is a fourth you want to hide that, you don't want to see its contents? |
| 18:47.19 | boudiccas | Vasistha: but i wouldn't mind learning how to do unlimited for future reference |
| 18:47.31 | boudiccas | Vasistha: there is no fourth, just three |
| 18:48.22 | Vasistha | boudiccas: shopt -s globstar; ls ~/.conky/** |
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| 18:49.02 | boudiccas | Vasistha: whats the 'shopt -s globstar ' for? |
| 18:49.15 | Vasistha | that shopt -s globstar makes ** explore subdirectories indefinitely. And it sticks, you only need to specify it once. If you want to undo it, shopt -u globstar |
| 18:49.21 | peterrooney | ls -la $(find . -maxdepth 2 -type d) |
| 18:49.29 | boudiccas | ah right, thanks |
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| 18:49.57 | Vasistha | peterrooney: that will definitely not work if you have file names with white spaces or other funky characters |
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| 18:50.21 | Vasistha | if you want to use find: find ~/.conky -maxdepth 3 -exec ls -ld {} + |
| 18:50.34 | Vasistha | oops I forgot -A |
| 18:50.49 | peterrooney | Oh all right. find . -maxdepth 1 -type d -exec ls -lA {} \; |
| 18:51.15 | peterrooney | # no need to ls individual files |
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| 18:57.41 | RainbowW | is there any issue with clearing the stuff in /var/cache/apt/archives? or is there a correct way to do it besides rm? |
| 18:57.59 | phr3ak | how could i change user (su) and chroot in one step? |
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| 18:58.31 | dondelelcaro | RainbowW: just apt-get clean; |
| 18:58.32 | Vasistha | RainbowW: apt-get clean |
| 18:58.33 | Towzzer | apt-get autoclean |
| 18:58.36 | Towzzer | clean sorry |
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| 18:59.02 | Vasistha | phr3ak: su -c 'chroot -options' |
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| 19:00.50 | phr3ak | Vasistha: I'd like to change from root |
| 19:01.04 | Vasistha | phr3ak: su username -c 'chroot -options' |
| 19:01.40 | Vasistha | phr3ak: maybe you should specify the two commands that you are executing, which you want to put into one? |
| 19:01.47 | phr3ak | you can't chroot with non-root user |
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| 19:07.06 | Vasistha | how do I start notification-daemon? I have libnotify-bin installed but it's not working because the daemon isn't running, and I don't see any way to start it |
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| 19:18.39 | faca | hi all |
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| 19:19.59 | thewanderer1 | hi. I've just seen "[Hardware error] Machine check events logged" on a console. where do I find those events (/var/log/mcelog is missing), or any additional info? (oh, ACPI is also playing weird, getting lots of errors in dmesg) |
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| 19:21.13 | thewanderer1 | I think the laptop is frying, by the way |
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| 19:26.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | dmesg? |
| 19:27.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | or put raw eggs on it |
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| 19:34.31 | LZ2ILR | hi, how do i get a pegasus driver installed on wheezy? |
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| 19:36.34 | thewanderer1 | CutMeOwnThroat, I think they'd leak through the keyboard, unfortunately... interesting, though, that the CPU would get to 85°C by compressing 10MB/s via SSH |
| 19:37.22 | thewanderer1 | guess the system really wasn't designed for a continuous load :P |
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| 19:49.16 | nmschulte | Hey folks. libc6:i386 vs libc6-i386 vs libc6-i686 for the amd64 architecture? |
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| 20:06.12 | jelly-home | nmschulte: uh... what are you trying to do? |
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| 20:08.34 | nmschulte | jelly-home: I'm trying to build mesa on amd64 for x86 apps. |
| 20:08.55 | nmschulte | I'm running into the issue that I don't fully understand multiarch and its implications with the gcc build chain. |
| 20:09.28 | jelly-home | nmschulte: which debian release? |
| 20:09.31 | nmschulte | Sid. |
| 20:10.05 | jelly-home | might be easier to do it in an i386 chroot with schroot or debootstrap |
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| 20:10.17 | nmschulte | What's the alternative? I'm curious. |
| 20:10.43 | nmschulte | I have no problem removing the x86-64 build chain and reinstalling it later if needed, though there might be issues with libc6 and depends. |
| 20:11.09 | jhutchins | Vasistha: Still around? |
| 20:11.16 | Vasistha | yes |
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| 20:11.36 | jhutchins | Vasistha: How did you determine that it was the order of the options? |
| 20:11.48 | jhutchins | (I was actually looking into that but got called away.) |
| 20:12.21 | Vasistha | jhutchins: by testing? |
| 20:12.50 | jhutchins | Vasistha: Heh. Well, glad you fixed it. |
| 20:12.53 | Vasistha | jhutchins: or ... themill suggested that the user option would imply noexec, so I thought, what if I put exec after that? and it worked |
| 20:13.20 | themill | that's also what mount(8) says |
| 20:13.27 | nmschulte | jelly-home: is there any documentation on how to perform the chroot setup? |
| 20:13.28 | jhutchins | Ah, it was him. |
| 20:13.31 | Vasistha | thanks for your help guys |
| 20:13.50 | jhutchins | themill: Weren't so desperate we'd actually gotten down to reading the manpage yet! |
| 20:14.06 | themill | this is a fairly well-known thing |
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| 20:14.36 | nmschulte | jelly-home: you said schroot _or_ debootstrap; the docs I see so far suggest I'll need both. |
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| 20:15.34 | jhutchins | themill: I was thrown off by the reference to udisk, went chasing after that and where it might get it's options. |
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| 20:19.59 | paranoidphreak | hi everybody, my audio card is disabled somehow in squeeze.....i have squeeze installed on a usb drive and the audio works fine on other laptops....on this particular laptop, i hear a beep before it gets on to logon page after powering up my system and a beep right after i hit shutdown....how do i fix this? |
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| 20:25.33 | hramrach | hello |
| 20:25.41 | hramrach | how do I debug failure to netboot? |
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| 20:26.43 | hramrach | I see dhcp packets going thre and back, I added another NIC, the PXE bios reliably gets address and initramfs reliably gets none |
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| 20:27.13 | hramrach | kind of out of ideas now |
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| 20:28.32 | queso_ | On wheezy. Removed some old kernels. I was told I may need to re-run my boot loader. How do I do that? |
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| 20:29.59 | gearaholic | queso_: not sure if this is correct but i think its sudo dpkg-reconfigure grub |
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| 20:32.00 | queso_ | gearaholic: package 'grub' is not installed... |
| 20:32.56 | hramrach | queso_: so what's your bootloeader? |
| 20:33.04 | hramrach | grub2? |
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| 20:34.14 | hramrach | paranoidphreak: you sure you have a soundcard there? |
| 20:34.25 | hramrach | what does lspci/lsusb/dmesg say about it? |
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| 20:35.21 | hramrach | that beep before shutdown technically does not need a soundcard on PC |
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| 20:35.59 | queso_ | hramrach: How can I tell if it's grub or grub2? I assume grub2, I only installed this about 3 mo.s ago. |
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| 20:37.16 | hramrach | queso_: examine /boot |
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| 20:37.34 | hramrach | most bootloaders have configuration there |
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| 20:39.12 | mtn | queso_: if you used aptitude or apt-get to remove your kernels, you shouldn't need to do any other steps |
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| 20:40.31 | queso_ | hramrach: /boot/grub exists |
| 20:40.36 | queso_ | mtn: yeah, I used aptitude. |
| 20:41.03 | mtn | queso_: you should be good to go. reboot and see! |
| 20:41.19 | hramrach | that's the same |
| 20:41.34 | hramrach | different frontend for dpkg |
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| 20:42.01 | hramrach | also removing kernels is not a problem |
| 20:42.12 | hramrach | at worst the menu will be overly long |
| 20:42.20 | hramrach | in most cases, anyway |
| 20:42.36 | hramrach | lilo will choke if you remove the kernel it likes |
| 20:42.57 | paranoidphreak | hramrach: when i ran lspci, i got the following: Audio device: ATI Technologies Inc Device 9902, and Audio device: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] Hudson Azalia controller (rev 01)...........the sound carrd works in ubuntu 12.10 |
| 20:43.24 | Bichito | buenas noches, que descansen, dulces sueños, hasta mañana! |
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| 20:44.21 | hramrach | paranoidphreak: and dmesg? |
| 20:45.01 | hramrach | maybe that particular HDA codec is not well supported or has broken bios |
| 20:45.20 | hramrach | there is some doc in the kernel docs about these junks |
| 20:45.27 | Bichito | sorry |
| 20:45.45 | hramrach | which tells you how to try different codec types in hte case module eloads and audio does not work |
| 20:46.10 | hramrach | if the module does not load at all then you need newer kernel I guess |
| 20:46.24 | hramrach | and if it selects wrong codec type newer kernel might help too |
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| 20:47.20 | paranoidphreak | hramrach: when i ran mesg | grep Audio...........i got nothing |
| 20:48.15 | hramrach | there is definitely no Audio |
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| 20:48.27 | hramrach | maybe audio or HDA |
| 20:48.31 | hramrach | or sound |
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| 20:48.55 | dorp | Beginner's question... I've installed Debian Squeeze, then dpkg -i libc6-udeb... then libiw30-udeb*... then wireless-tools-udeb*... I have "iwconfig" , but "iwlist" is no where to be found? `sudo find / -name "iwlist"` |
| 20:48.58 | oget | hi, is thele a channel for Debian packagers? |
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| 20:49.22 | engla | there is debian-mentors |
| 20:49.59 | engla | (on oftc) |
| 20:50.12 | oget | I was just wondering, is it allowed in Debian to bundle 3rd party libraries on applications? |
| 20:50.18 | paranoidphreak | hramrach: ok.......so is it wise to upgrade my kernel in squeeze or wait for wheezy to be officially released? |
| 20:50.31 | engla | oget: it happens, but normally not |
| 20:50.45 | engla | oget: the correct way is to package that library separately |
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| 20:51.48 | hramrach | paranoidphreak: it usually helps with hardware support |
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| 20:51.55 | hramrach | so the first thing to try |
| 20:52.03 | oget | engla: so it is not strictly enforced? I see that the clementine package bundles a large number of libraries |
| 20:52.26 | oget | large = 10+ |
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| 20:52.47 | engla | it depends |
| 20:53.06 | engla | if the library is used by more than one package in the whole archive, then it is an issue |
| 20:53.15 | engla | debian wants to avoid multiple copies for many reasons |
| 20:53.21 | oget | engla: is there a webpage for the Debian policy? |
| 20:53.24 | queso_ | k, thanks guys |
| 20:53.36 | engla | yes |
| 20:53.45 | engla | oget: asking on #debian-mentors is probably a good idea |
| 20:53.50 | oget | ok thanks |
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| 20:53.57 | engla | on the OFTC network as mentioned before |
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| 20:54.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | dorp, why do you install .udebs in the first place? |
| 20:55.21 | tremon | oget: http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ |
| 20:55.24 | dorp | CutMeOwnThroat: I've googled what I should be doing for being able to connect to wireless networks, I've been told i need the "wireless-tools" package which is part of the installation, so I've found only this .udeb. Is it wrong? Should I get a different package? |
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| 20:58.50 | paranoidphreak | hramrach: ok.....thanks......i'm gonna try upgrading my kernel and if it fails........i'll reload the image i had created earlier |
| 21:00.01 | hramrach | paranoidphreak: you will get the new kernel along with your old kernel so you can select either on boot |
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| 21:05.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | dorp, they are not meant for you or your system, but are used for the installer |
| 21:05.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | dpkg, tell dorp about udeb |
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| 21:05.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | dorp, see private message from dpkg... |
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| 21:07.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | dorp, also... the installer should have asked you about network/wireless information. Why couldn't you enter it during the install procedure? |
| 21:08.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | dorp, we have a couple of factoids around the topic and there's the debian "installation guide". About factoids, you can "/msg dpkg somefactoid", usually on any word in brackets like <somefactoid> mentioned within another factoid |
| 21:08.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | dpkg, tell dorp about wireless |
| 21:08.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | dpkg, tell dorp about ig |
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| 21:09.30 | dorp | CutMeOwnThroat: Thanks, I'm reading |
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| 21:10.46 | Vasistha | I'd like to get xvidcap installed on wheezy. No luck so far, upstream's tar.gz doesn't compile, and neither does Marillat's. Any bright ideas? |
| 21:11.54 | angs | what is the command to see what distribution of debian I have? (lsb_release -a did not work) |
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| 21:12.34 | ompaul | angs: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 21:12.52 | angs | ompaul: thank you |
| 21:13.22 | dorp | lol |
| 21:13.50 | dorp | I've asked dpkg for "<factoid>"... it asked whether I'm a Windows user |
| 21:14.18 | ompaul | dorp: /msg dpkg wireless |
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| 21:14.25 | ompaul | or some such - but what you did was broken |
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| 21:16.50 | ompaul | !release-date |
| 21:16.51 | dpkg | Debian does not release based on dates, it is released when there are no <release critical> bugs. See also <release history>. |
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| 21:18.48 | dorp | Mmm.. I'm trying to follow dpkg, but now it suggests I should use "hwinfo" which I don't seem to have. So I should google for it and download this package? |
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| 21:19.34 | dorp | "hwinfo_16.0-2.2_amd64.deb" seems right? |
| 21:19.58 | ompaul | apt-get install hwinfo |
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| 21:20.44 | dorp | ompaul: I'm trying to set my wireless card, while being cable-less |
| 21:20.57 | dorp | (no internet connectivity on the target) |
| 21:21.49 | ompaul | dorp: do you also have a chains and whip to beat yourself ;-) yes you can download that and then install it using dpkg -i package-name-goes-here |
| 21:22.19 | dorp | ompaul: I'm sorry, is there an "easy" way I'm missing? |
| 21:22.24 | ompaul | dorp: the only condition I ever put on installing debian for someone is that they have internet |
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| 21:22.30 | ompaul | i.e. a wired connection |
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| 21:23.24 | dorp | ompaul: Well, copying a couple of packages using a USB stick doesn't seem overwhelming... let's see how it goes |
| 21:23.47 | ompaul | dorp: it's not but it is a total pain |
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| 21:24.27 | squirrelthetire | dpkg doesn't resolve dependencies. |
| 21:24.27 | dpkg | squirrelthetire: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox? |
| 21:24.56 | squirrelthetire | if it isn't in the repos, I would use gdebi (it does resolve dependencies). |
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| 21:28.18 | bluesm | How can update my iceweasel ? |
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| 21:28.53 | AimHere | If you use apt-get/aptitude, just the command that installed it in the first place should work |
| 21:29.20 | AimHere | For synaptic, then it's fairly straightforward to upgrade from the UI |
| 21:30.05 | AimHere | 'Mark for Upgrade' then apply |
| 21:30.21 | AimHere | If you manage your packages some other way, ask someone else |
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| 21:31.19 | squirrelthetire | apt-get upgrade |
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| 21:31.51 | un214 | wow cpio changed |
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| 21:32.13 | un214 | !changelog |
| 21:32.14 | dpkg | The Debian changelog for foo can be found in /usr/share/doc/foo/ if foo is installed. From a .deb, "apt-listchanges -a foo.deb" or "dpkg-deb --fsys-tarfile foo.deb| tar --wildcards -xOf - '*changelog.Debian.gz'|zless". You can also "aptitude changelog foo" or go to http://changelogs.debian.net/bar if foo is built from source package bar. See also <apt-listchanges>. |
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| 21:34.55 | hramrach | soo, anyone has any idea about netbooting? |
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| 21:36.09 | hramrach | well, I guess it's just broken |
| 21:36.30 | hramrach | another PC to trash |
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| 21:38.44 | DeadPanda | does anyone know how to force a USB port to rescan? |
| 21:38.59 | DeadPanda | I'm not having much luck with udisks --poll-for-media and friends |
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| 21:39.59 | hramrach | if you don't have anything important on USB you can unload and realod the USB root hub drivers |
| 21:40.29 | DeadPanda | hramrach, that might do the trick... I'm trying to run some experiments using qemu-kvm, but the pesky thing keeps not releasing USB endpoints |
| 21:40.40 | DeadPanda | hramrach, is there anything more elegant, though? |
| 21:40.51 | hramrach | there is also sleep/wakeup on most device nodes - mmight help |
| 21:41.26 | DeadPanda | I assume under /sys/bus/usb/devices/*/power -- after I figure out how to identify the right one? |
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| 21:42.04 | hramrach | yes, those |
| 21:42.10 | DeadPanda | hramrach, cheers, I'll poke around |
| 21:42.22 | hramrach | never tried much fiddling with them |
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| 21:44.02 | DeadPanda | hramrach, there has to be something. I've tried using libusb to force the endpoint to reset, but as kvm still has the lock it won't work |
| 21:44.10 | DeadPanda | hramrach, I'll try to find some documentation, thanks again |
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| 21:57.53 | dorp | YAY! ... I have iwlist ! .. multiarch-support -> libdbus-1-3 -> libhal1 -> libhd16 -> hwinfo ... then firmware-iwlwifi ... then libiw30 -> wireless-tools |
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| 22:02.08 | vipersniper | it* |
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| 22:13.28 | RoomLocker | hi |
| 22:13.51 | RoomLocker | how is everyone today? |
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| 22:14.22 | babilen | RoomLocker: Fine, can we help you with something Debian related? |
| 22:14.52 | RoomLocker | i think I entered the wrong room, have a nice day |
| 22:14.57 | Darm0k | hal9000 |
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| 22:15.29 | Darm0k | happy birthday hal9000 |
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| 22:15.38 | Sjors | so I'm wondering |
| 22:15.38 | Sjors | http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/ |
| 22:15.49 | Sjors | why is the number of release-critical bugs for the current stable release growing? :/ |
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| 22:16.07 | Sjors | it's already been released, how is it possible that so many release-critical problems are appearing? |
| 22:16.19 | squirrelthetire | The pool of testers is greater than the pool of developers? |
| 22:16.22 | Darm0k | because it wouldbt be critical if its stable |
| 22:17.00 | babilen | Sjors: New bugs are being found in old versions ... |
| 22:17.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | Sjors, I guess problems just keep being discovered... |
| 22:17.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | heh |
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| 22:18.53 | invariant | Does Debian also ship a broken wodim package, like Ubuntu does? |
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| 22:19.30 | babilen | hands invariant a link to http://bugs.debian.org |
| 22:19.32 | invariant | Is IdleOne an op here too? |
| 22:19.42 | babilen | invariant: Do you need help with anything specific? |
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| 22:20.09 | invariant | babilen, fascist operators. |
| 22:20.17 | invariant | babilen, but that's off-topic. |
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| 22:21.04 | babilen | invariant: play somewhere else please |
| 22:21.50 | Sjors | CutMeOwnThroat, babilen, Darm0k: so I guess they are marked release-critical and by chance also apply to the stable version? |
| 22:22.17 | babilen | Sjors: exactly -- release critical simply refers to a certain bug severity |
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| 22:24.49 | Sjors | I'm eagerly watching the green line coming closer to 0, though |
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| 22:26.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | Sjors, I thought... logically, the next release would be when the number of release-critical bugs in testing goes below that in stable :P |
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| 22:28.03 | Sjors | CutMeOwnThroat: haha :D |
| 22:28.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | according to that, wheezy released a couple of months ago |
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| 23:03.09 | nyuszika7h | hi, any idea why dbus-daemon is running but /var/run/dbus is empty? if I try to run it with strace, I get this error: Failed to start message bus: No socket received. |
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| 23:03.30 | nyuszika7h | I'm using systemd, and the command line for dbus is: /usr/bin/dbus-daemon --system --address=systemd: --nofork --nopidfile --systemd-activation |
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| 23:15.38 | sprax | Can someone help me with virtualhosts in apache? I added the directive per some instructions from google, and it worked for my subdomain, but it also hijacked the default document root. I'm still googling, but I'm not sure what to google, so I thought I would come and ask. |
| 23:18.50 | LtL | sprax: this may help, http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.2/vhosts/examples.html |
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| 23:19.26 | mang0 | With the Debian Graphical Installer, how do I change the size of the root/home/swap/ and so on partitions before installing? |
| 23:22.43 | sprax | LtL thats what I was following. :( |
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| 23:32.20 | LtL | sprax: try this http://content.websitegear.com/article/subdomain_setup.htm |
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| 23:44.04 | abstracT | hello |
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| 23:45.17 | abstracT | i need some of your opinions |
| 23:45.31 | abstracT | i'm in a distrohopping mode now :) |
| 23:45.41 | Towzzer | sure |
| 23:45.45 | Towzzer | desktop or server |
| 23:45.48 | Towzzer | I can tell you what I prefer for both. |
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| 23:46.28 | ChibaPet | abrotman: Alright, well, my wife has now experienced the same thing I do every time I've tried KDE in the past - crashing applications and an unresponsive interface. My second pick would be XFCE, but we're going to try Gnome 3 on the strength of your endorsement. :P |
| 23:46.44 | abstracT | well i'm looking for a distro that will teach me linux....now,am intermediate user |
| 23:47.06 | abstracT | is debian good for teaching me linux :) |
| 23:47.33 | abstracT | for example if i get a job as linux sysadmin |
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| 23:48.03 | ChibaPet | abstracT: If you were to go for a job, you'll encounter either a Red Hat Enterprise Linux variant or a Debian variant most places. |
| 23:48.21 | ChibaPet | abstracT: My employer uses both. |
| 23:48.58 | abstracT | so, is it better to stick with one distro,or continue to distrohopp :) |
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| 23:49.11 | ChibaPet | abstracT: In terms of learning how things works, anything will work for you, so it's all up to the effort you put in. That said, if you're a desktop user, you'll find more stuff more readily accessible with Debian, so you can learn things without having to fight to get basic things in order. |
| 23:49.51 | ChibaPet | distrohopping will teach you how different distributions handle installation, but not much more. |
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| 23:51.10 | markovh | abstracT: gentoo |
| 23:51.13 | abstracT | ChibaPet: and different package management systems :) |
| 23:51.52 | ChibaPet | abstracT: Yes, there is yum versus apt, so you'll want to figure out "yum provides" versus "apt-file search" at some point. |
| 23:52.27 | ChibaPet | Gentoo's probably not a horrible suggestion. I don't run it, but you'll doubtless be exposed to more compiler screen output. :P |
| 23:52.35 | markovh | ChibaPet: you think someone would learn the same from using ubuntu as freebsd or gentoo for example? |
| 23:53.28 | ChibaPet | markovh: To a large extent, yes. |
| 23:53.42 | markovh | while i'm not implying anything about those oses, you should try something that's not as user friendly or doesn't cushion you. I've learned more about systems from them breaking and requiring me to go fix them |
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| 23:54.24 | abstracT | does debian cushion you? :) |
| 23:54.33 | markovh | not as much as ubuntu |
| 23:54.45 | ChibaPet | markovh: If they're learning Unix, the things they're going to end up learning will involve kernels, modules, the process model, how filesystems work, how networking works. Package management is somewhat less interesting, and that's the biggest difference between the systems you mentinoed. |
| 23:54.50 | ChibaPet | mentioned* |
| 23:54.56 | markovh | the apt-get is great for just handling requirements |
| 23:55.02 | markovh | ChibaPet: i never said package management o.O |
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| 23:56.03 | markovh | although i will say you'll learn more from focusing on setting stuff up rather then focusing on the os itself, perhaps what ChibaPet is getting at |
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| 23:56.48 | amoxibos | hello - if my core gets dumped for some reason - where do i look for the dump - ulimit is set to unlimited |
| 23:56.59 | markovh | abstracT: install and hone a bunch of services, get many different systems talking to each other. and be thankful when they break, it's an oppertunity to hone your debugging skills |
| 23:57.20 | Towzzer | sorry my choices, desktop - mint with mate or xfce server- debian |
| 23:58.31 | markovh | Towzzer: pretty much my setup exactly |
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