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| 00:01.17 | cusco | ok .. reinstall grub-pc and grub-common might have worked |
| 00:01.18 | cusco | lets check |
| 00:02.19 | histo | hramrach: yeah is thinking my display is only 427x240 millimeters with my dpi set at 76 right now. If I change DPI then the size will change |
| 00:05.20 | cusco | didn't |
| 00:05.21 | cusco | :| |
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| 00:07.18 | abrotman | same error, same place? |
| 00:07.26 | cusco | yes |
| 00:07.29 | abrotman | is the system newer? |
| 00:07.32 | cusco | cant find /etc/fstab |
| 00:07.36 | cusco | no |
| 00:07.41 | cusco | its still squeeze |
| 00:07.48 | abrotman | i meant the hardware |
| 00:07.51 | cusco | and hardware is.. different but close |
| 00:07.51 | histo | hramrach: why would it be that this DPI setting only effects certain terminals and not all apps? |
| 00:08.05 | cusco | was a P4, its a Pentium D now, just one sata disk on |
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| 00:08.28 | cusco | it states cant find /dev/diski-by-uuid/<disk-id> |
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| 00:11.12 | Yoshi1 | ok so i have now upgraded to wheezy |
| 00:11.29 | Yoshi1 | but how do i get rid of this full desktop popup menu thing and get back to sensible dropdown boxes for menus |
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| 00:12.26 | sharky2 | hi guys, is there a way to compile the kernel moduls of virutalbox for new kernel, I am debian wheezy, but compiled kernel 3.7.2 and I use virtualbox-ose |
| 00:12.41 | histo | hramrach: okay my physical size is 110.69cm x 62.26cm |
| 00:12.43 | cusco | ok update-initramfs -u worked |
| 00:12.58 | Yoshi1 | this sort of desktop covering schlop was why when it xame time to install on a new system i didnt choose ubuntu |
| 00:13.30 | histo | hramrach: if I run at 1280x720 that would put the dpi at 29.37 |
| 00:13.40 | abrotman | cusco: is that a typo ? |
| 00:13.59 | histo | hramrach: if I set it at that. A 80x24 terminal is about 2x1.5 inches on the screen |
| 00:14.00 | themill | Yoshi1: you can choose any desktop setup you want -- but you have to do it yourself, we can't |
| 00:14.11 | abrotman | Yoshi1: you need to be more explicit .. |
| 00:14.21 | abrotman | has no idea what a full desktop popup menu is |
| 00:14.36 | Armand | Think "WinH8" :P |
| 00:14.47 | Yoshi1 | abrotman: when i want to choose to run a programme that activities tab thing where it baloons over the entire desktop |
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| 00:15.09 | hramrach | histo: if you don't like that size you can set different font size |
| 00:15.13 | Yoshi1 | abrotman: i want to get rid of that and back to a classic dropdown menu like was defailt for squeeze |
| 00:15.23 | hramrach | or use fake DPI like 96 |
| 00:16.31 | abrotman | Yoshi1: maybe you should take a screenshot .. |
| 00:16.52 | abrotman | Yoshi1: oh, you're using gnome3 .. try XFCE .. that's the old way of thinking that people seem to be stuck on |
| 00:16.55 | abrotman | or just run away |
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| 00:17.48 | Yoshi1 | sorry about that |
| 00:18.08 | Yoshi1 | but yeah i would prefer the sort of setup thats default with squeeze |
| 00:18.57 | histo | hramrach: but that would be more appropriate dpi? |
| 00:19.07 | engla | aren't there gnome packages or config in wheezy for the old look? |
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| 00:19.30 | Yoshi1 | engla: i am tryng to find the appearance menu but i cant find it |
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| 00:19.52 | engla | well gnome3 is rumored to not like appearance options |
| 00:19.59 | themill | Yoshi1: install kde or xfce or .... |
| 00:20.31 | Yoshi1 | themill: kde is to busy and i prefer gnome over xfce |
| 00:20.33 | engla | Yoshi1: something like gnome-tweak or so |
| 00:20.37 | hramrach | histo: if you really use the TV as a TV then you probably don't want the real DPI |
| 00:20.41 | themill | *shrug* not my problem |
| 00:21.26 | hramrach | there is a paramaeter missing in the X model and that is distance of viewer from the screen |
| 00:22.09 | hramrach | so when you do not use a monitor that is within a few feet away from you you need to set a higher fake dpi for things to look right |
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| 00:22.42 | Yoshi1 | engla: nope not gnome tweak |
| 00:22.57 | Yoshi1 | if i want fancy desktop i'd get compiz |
| 00:24.11 | histo | hramrach: So is a 720p tv not actually 720 pixels wide? |
| 00:24.33 | histo | hramrach: or mroe specifically 1080i tv |
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| 00:24.52 | themill | Yoshi1: sounds like you want squeeze then |
| 00:25.00 | hramrach | 720p tv is 20 pixels tall |
| 00:25.07 | hramrach | *720 |
| 00:25.20 | Yoshi1 | themill: except i probably need the new Xserver to make nvidia drivers work |
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| 00:25.38 | themill | "probably"... |
| 00:25.56 | Yoshi1 | themill: well that was the last suggestion given to me by jelly-home |
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| 00:26.34 | Yoshi1 | themill: and my friend who is somewhat knowledgeable in debian says it would be rather messy to get it to work on squeeze |
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| 00:27.02 | themill | Yoshi1: actually, jelly-home told you to use the newer xorg from backports, he didn't tell you to upgrade to wheezy at all |
| 00:27.15 | cusco | abrotman: yes I meand initrd |
| 00:27.19 | cusco | lol |
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| 00:27.44 | Yoshi1 | themill: no he didnt but when i asked my friend on skype how to do that thats the answer i got |
| 00:27.51 | cusco | ramfs was thinking aboutme |
| 00:28.25 | themill | why are you asking us for help if you're not going to follow the advice you get... |
| 00:29.03 | Yoshi1 | themill: so far your advice has been to downgrade or get another desktop environment |
| 00:29.09 | Yoshi1 | themill: not highly helpful |
| 00:29.25 | themill | Yoshi1: umm... those are the options you have. |
| 00:30.21 | Yoshi1 | i cant just rip out this one component in the desktop environment i've come to love over more then a decade and get back to a classic menu system? |
| 00:30.29 | themill | that or use an extension or tweak tool to adapt gnome3 to what you want -- which you have also rejected. |
| 00:30.38 | themill | sure. install squeeze. |
| 00:30.47 | Yoshi1 | themill: actually i havent rejected that i just havent found one yet |
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| 00:35.09 | cusco | how do I check the time in a different timezone? |
| 00:35.26 | cusco | found on google date +"%r EST" |
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| 00:35.41 | cusco | doesn't seem to work |
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| 00:36.19 | themill | cusco: you can use the TZ environment variable -- "TZ=Europe/Paris date" |
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| 00:44.54 | fergal32 | hi |
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| 00:47.26 | edudx | I try to instal postgres , in oficial site says "apt-get install postgresql-9.1" but when i use apt search, shows only 8.4. I use apt-get update and upgrade. So is something wrong ? |
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| 00:51.09 | jimcooncat | edudx: I think they have their own repository |
| 00:52.17 | jimcooncat | maybe in backports, I've seen some blog entries about it |
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| 00:53.04 | metap0d | Hey everyone, I'm trying to do a net install of Debian 6.0.6 but my only means to connect to the internet is wireless ... and at no point in time am I asked for a WPA/WEP key or SSID or anything, ideas? |
| 00:53.11 | metap0d | I don't think it detects my card at all |
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| 00:55.16 | jimcooncat | edudx: yes, squeeze-backports has 9.1 |
| 00:55.31 | jagginess | metap0d, you need to contact the person who setup your WIFI router.. |
| 00:55.44 | jagginess | metap0d, they would have the wpa key for you to use |
| 00:55.50 | jimcooncat | edudx: use instructions on this page, make sure to use the -t flag on apt-get |
| 00:56.13 | edudx | jimcooncat ok man |
| 00:56.19 | jimcooncat | edudx: http://backports-master.debian.org/Instructions/ |
| 00:56.44 | metap0d | jagginess: I'm the person who set up the router, I have my WPA passphrase in hand. I meant during the net install process I am never asked anything about my wireless connection. |
| 00:57.00 | themill | the squeeze installer can't do wpa |
| 00:57.41 | metap0d | themill: What would my options be at this point? Would I be better off installing a beta of the wheezy netinstaller? |
| 00:57.51 | jimcooncat | edudx: I haven't tried this, but I figure the official debian package my be better than the one at postgres -- they might be targeting other than squeeze (like sid or wheezy) |
| 00:58.09 | themill | metap0d: quite probably -- wheezy's in pretty good shape now |
| 00:58.22 | edudx | jimcooncat well, i use PostgreSQL Apt Repository http://www.postgresql.org/download/linux/debian/ and works great |
| 00:58.46 | jagginess | metap0d, nah.. you'll need to chose custom or somewhere an advanced setting-- there may be a 'plugin' that you need to load for wifi for the installer-- (and for the "installer" only) -- this is a one-shot thing that you have to use during the runtime of the installer.. |
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| 00:59.23 | metap0d | jagginess: Bah I never saw it unfortunately ... and I have a WPA connection so if squeeze doesn't support it I'm still out of luck |
| 00:59.23 | jimcooncat | edudx: I'm happy it works, I can't seem to get time to play with it |
| 00:59.28 | jagginess | metap0d, you'll see a list of them.. (keyword 'module' -- but<< not nec about "kernel modules" -- rather "module for the installer") |
| 00:59.52 | jagginess | metap0d, .. |
| 01:00.01 | themill | jagginess: it still won't do wpa |
| 01:00.42 | jagginess | themill, oh no.. hmm that's too bad.. |
| 01:00.45 | jagginess | metap0d, ^ |
| 01:00.48 | edudx | jimcooncat thank you |
| 01:00.49 | jagginess | unfortunately |
| 01:01.02 | jimcooncat | yw man |
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| 01:16.48 | ageis | has anyone ported Steam for 64-bit debian wheezy? |
| 01:17.19 | lasers | !steam |
| 01:17.20 | dpkg | Steam is a proprietary content delivery and management application for PC software with experimental (Ubuntu) Linux support; it is not supported in #debian but in #steamlug on <freenode>. It might work in a multiarched version of Debian (Wheezy or later), with some dependencies satisfied from experimental for the time being. |
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| 01:18.58 | ageis | ok |
| 01:19.41 | ageis | i think i have to compile glibc to get this to work |
| 01:20.28 | abrotman | doubtful |
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| 01:21.31 | nevyn | ageis: there's some futzing with versions needed. (ubuntu increasted epoc in some stuff etc) you should find directions on the valve forum or the wiki |
| 01:22.08 | ageis | current prob on running the steam binary is /lib32/libc.so.6: version `GLIBC_2.15' not found |
| 01:22.22 | ageis | of course someone in their chan deferred to deb to find out if anyone has made a port |
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| 01:23.29 | ageis | my approach was to attempt compile of glibc32 2.15 on 64-bit |
| 01:23.31 | engla | new glibc is in experimental. Don't know how wise it is to use it |
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| 01:23.41 | ageis | gotcha |
| 01:24.11 | engla | or do I misunderstand, can 2.16 be used? |
| 01:24.19 | engla | does it have to match the minor version too |
| 01:24.35 | abrotman | engla: doesn't matter .. only experimental would satisfy it |
| 01:25.12 | engla | that's to be expected, it's like dpkg said above |
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| 01:26.46 | ageis | i'd been thinking their ubuntu binary requires a 32-bit compatibility library too |
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| 01:29.23 | gnarface | wait, steam does NOT *also* require the 32-bit opengl libraries? is that true? |
| 01:30.40 | engla | it seems to be fully 32-bit |
| 01:30.48 | gnarface | so then it must |
| 01:31.00 | gnarface | unless you meant to type "fully 64-bit" |
| 01:31.39 | gnarface | i know sid it not new enough and you don't stand a cold chance in hell of hand compiling |
| 01:31.55 | gnarface | if experimental fills the gap already - that's news to me. |
| 01:32.12 | ageis | well i would love to hear if anyone on experimental or deb itself has successfully run this shit |
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| 01:32.23 | gnarface | me too |
| 01:32.29 | abrotman | where's the .deb ? |
| 01:32.53 | ageis | sec |
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| 01:33.14 | gnarface | http://store.steampowered.com/about/ |
| 01:33.15 | ageis | http://media.steampowered.com/client/installer/steam.deb |
| 01:33.18 | gnarface | or that |
| 01:33.26 | guest76834 | Hello, how would I configure Debian to kill all connections if a certain connection dies? |
| 01:33.27 | ageis | have to force extract |
| 01:33.44 | guest76834 | e.g. if VPN dies, do not allow any traffic |
| 01:33.56 | engla | that deb is just the bootstrapping |
| 01:34.10 | abrotman | ageis: moment while i look |
| 01:34.47 | gnarface | engla: i'm assuming its a self-contained network installer like the windows and mac ones. they don't actually allow you to download the software directly |
| 01:35.37 | engla | just saying that their bootstrap script is ugly and written for one particular platform -- ubuntu |
| 01:35.51 | abrotman | guest76834: they should die on their own ? |
| 01:35.55 | engla | for fun, open it up and check the function "detect_platform()" it returns the static string ubuntu12_32 :-) |
| 01:36.48 | guest76834 | abrotman: Right, but new connections can be created on the (now) unsecured wifi connection. |
| 01:36.58 | ageis | right |
| 01:37.20 | abrotman | guest76834: oh, fun |
| 01:37.26 | gnarface | engla: yea all the package names refer to specific ubuntu packages too - what i was wondering though is if you really need those versions or if you could get it to work if you just repackaged the deb with a new control file |
| 01:37.49 | ageis | I feel as though Valve are locking other distros out. and they are supposed to have big plans w/ Linux. I personally see ubuntu as a noob distro. |
| 01:38.14 | gnarface | ageis: yea but its the only one that is spywere so far. its not hard to follow this money trail. |
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| 01:38.23 | gnarface | spyware* |
| 01:38.43 | ageis | heh. So I suggest we start an effort to get steam on debian |
| 01:38.56 | abrotman | ageis: looks like it'll be close with experimental .. if you really want it, try it |
| 01:39.06 | ageis | k |
| 01:39.06 | abrotman | ageis: do you think that no one is trying ot make it work ? |
| 01:39.40 | ageis | i have no idea who out there has tried what, I know that all of Valve's work is focused on Ubuntu and their chan is named #ubuntu-steam, although they speak of Linux, they totally ignore other distros |
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| 01:40.13 | gnarface | hah oh they're not *ignoring* other distros. if they were IGNORING the other distros they would have supported some by accident |
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| 01:40.19 | gnarface | that's naive |
| 01:40.31 | ageis | right but you get my meaning |
| 01:40.36 | gnarface | yea |
| 01:40.39 | engla | valve has plans of a linux platform of their own |
| 01:40.42 | abrotman | ageis: they know their market? |
| 01:40.51 | zmisc | Trying to find a distribution that is up to date, yet not buggy is quite the challenge :/ |
| 01:41.03 | engla | we don't know what's going to happen but ti will be interesting, maybe steambuntu eclipses ubuntu in a few years |
| 01:41.07 | Zharf | deb sid :p |
| 01:41.21 | zmisc | Without bugs!? :P |
| 01:41.34 | zmisc | I mean without being _extremely_ buggy haha :D |
| 01:41.41 | Zharf | I haven't experienced any more than with other distros :p |
| 01:41.49 | Zharf | over the past 8 years or so anyway |
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| 01:42.27 | zmisc | You make a valid point there, and I like that Debian is a true metadistribution (I just do the basic install) then use the package management utilities to build my system from there :D |
| 01:42.35 | zmisc | I might just check it out. |
| 01:43.03 | Zharf | out of all the distros I've tried I had most trouble with ubuntu :p |
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| 01:43.50 | ageis | ya im a true believer |
| 01:44.08 | pmo | (i dont think it does) does http://download.skype.com/linux/repos/debian/ stable non-free work in wheezy? |
| 01:44.23 | ageis | yeah i run skype in wheezy |
| 01:44.34 | ageis | easy =P |
| 01:44.41 | pmo | did you use that repo? |
| 01:44.48 | ageis | must have |
| 01:45.02 | pmo | you added that to your repo? |
| 01:45.07 | pmo | http://download.skype.com/linux/repos/debian/ stable non-free ? |
| 01:45.08 | ageis | downloaded deb |
| 01:45.27 | pmo | ah im on 64bit, not gonna mess with the scripts that can make it work |
| 01:45.33 | ageis | oh no |
| 01:45.45 | ageis | i'm misremembering, I must have got it from deb non-free with apt-get install |
| 01:45.51 | ageis | since i cant find the deb in my dl folder |
| 01:46.05 | ageis | and its in non-free according to apt-cache |
| 01:46.08 | pmo | is it http://download.skype.com/linux/repos/debian/ stable non-free ? |
| 01:46.12 | pmo | ah |
| 01:46.24 | ageis | you can get it out of regular deb non-free |
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| 01:47.13 | pmo | ok |
| 01:47.17 | Wasmosy | anyone knows howto increase the alsa buffer? I'm having audio skipping problems ... |
| 01:47.31 | ageis | engla / gnarface / abrotman if I pull in a glibc and stuff from experimental is that the type of thing that would totally mess up dependencies on my system |
| 01:47.38 | gnarface | Wasmosy: i think that's usually app-specific |
| 01:47.41 | hramrach | Wasmosy: install oss4 ;-) |
| 01:48.11 | hramrach | also the application might be at fault |
| 01:48.16 | Wasmosy | gnarface: I increased clementine's buffer, but Im still having audio skipping |
| 01:48.22 | hramrach | try a few different playears first |
| 01:48.27 | Wasmosy | hramrach: happens with youtube and clementine |
| 01:48.28 | gnarface | ageis: i wouldn't do it on your main system; i'd set up another drive or a chroot install to test it instead |
| 01:48.33 | engla | ageis: it's the type of thing that could do that |
| 01:48.44 | ageis | right i'll try it in a vm |
| 01:48.58 | engla | this is why you need someone who already got steam to work |
| 01:49.18 | ageis | are there any mailing lists where i can put out a call |
| 01:49.21 | ageis | actually ill check steam forums 2 |
| 01:49.28 | hramrach | Wasmosy: not sure how alsa works but the buffer should be set by the application |
| 01:49.29 | ageis | if they exist |
| 01:49.43 | hramrach | it somehow often does not work |
| 01:49.50 | Wasmosy | I've readed that recommended buffer for mp3 listening is 128 kb, and debian sets 64 kb for default |
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| 01:50.50 | abrotman | ageis: try it in a VM first |
| 01:51.55 | hramrach | Wasmosy: try to stfw for asoundrc |
| 01:52.07 | hramrach | alsa is not the best documented thing ever |
| 01:52.08 | ageis | my sound broke after installing oss4 |
| 01:52.14 | ageis | now i just have a dummy output even tho several kern modules are loaded |
| 01:52.41 | Wasmosy | hramrach: im on it |
| 01:52.58 | hramrach | ageis: that's because the postinst scripts are junk and won't kick out the alsa modules |
| 01:53.09 | hramrach | do that by hand or reboot a few times |
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| 01:53.31 | ageis | remove the alsa stuff in modprobe.d ? |
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| 01:53.45 | hramrach | in your kernel |
| 01:54.07 | ageis | oh as in rmmod ? |
| 01:54.07 | hramrach | does lsmod show snd module? |
| 01:54.11 | ageis | yeah |
| 01:54.11 | hramrach | yes |
| 01:54.23 | ageis | a whole bunch |
| 01:54.29 | hramrach | remove them |
| 01:54.34 | hramrach | reload oss |
| 01:54.49 | ageis | any module I need for oss? |
| 01:55.11 | hramrach | the oss initscript should load them |
| 01:56.14 | ageis | says theyre in use so i prolly need to blacklist ? |
| 01:56.25 | hramrach | after you get rid of snd you need something like invoke-rc.d oss4 unload ; invoke-rc.d oss4 start |
| 01:56.38 | hramrach | no, you need to unload what uses them too |
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| 01:56.47 | hramrach | or kill anything that has sound device open |
| 01:56.50 | ageis | Error: Module snd is in use by: snd_timer snd_seq_device snd_seq snd_pcm snd_hwdep snd_hda_codec snd_hda_intel snd_hda_codec_cirrus snd_hda_codec_hdmi |
| 01:56.55 | abrotman | it's easier to blacklist and reboot |
| 01:57.04 | ageis | figured |
| 01:57.05 | abrotman | if you really think using OSS is a good thing |
| 01:57.25 | hramrach | it would be totally easy if the potinst just kicked the alsa modules |
| 01:57.28 | ageis | i'd almost rather go back to alsa, oss4 just came in as a dependency of something i was doing for sound conversion |
| 01:57.46 | abrotman | ageis: so just go back to alsa |
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| 01:58.09 | hramrach | if alsa works for you that's fine |
| 01:58.45 | hramrach | many applications support oss bcause it's cross-platform sane api as opposed to linux-specific insane horror |
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| 01:59.00 | abrotman | right .. |
| 01:59.01 | ageis | roger, i only recently elucidated the nature of this problem while we were on the subject of sound, is oss4 viewed as a contender? |
| 01:59.01 | ageis | gotcha |
| 01:59.32 | hramrach | but that does not mean you have to install oss just because an application suports it |
| 01:59.48 | hramrach | and likely also jack and pulseaoudio and esd .. |
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| 02:00.21 | ageis | haha yeah |
| 02:00.43 | Gomex | hi |
| 02:01.09 | Gomex | I forgot the name of package that logs all commands in bash on /var/log/auth |
| 02:01.18 | Gomex | can you please help me to remember? |
| 02:01.30 | carl_the_doorman | iss oo uh good lil debian ? |
| 02:01.35 | abrotman | Gomex: acct ? |
| 02:01.39 | carl_the_doorman | ess ooo issss ? |
| 02:02.06 | abrotman | carl_the_doorman: do you need help with Debian? |
| 02:02.08 | Gomex | abrotman, acct is the name of package? |
| 02:02.14 | Gomex | abramart, I don't think so |
| 02:02.19 | abrotman | Gomex: yes, read the description |
| 02:02.55 | Gomex | abrotman, The GNU Accounting utilities for process and login accounting |
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| 02:03.24 | Gomex | abramart, the package that I forgot the name, logs all commands, not just login :( |
| 02:03.58 | abrotman | Gomex: apt-cache search term1 term2 term3 .. good luck |
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| 02:04.30 | carl_the_doorman | abramart, i need gnome3 and c and lisp and ada and tons of pdf to fit in less than 2gb |
| 02:04.39 | Gomex | abrotman, thanks |
| 02:04.51 | Gomex | abrotman, When I remember, I tell you here :P |
| 02:05.00 | abrotman | carl_the_doorman: okay, i also would like a million dollars |
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| 02:05.26 | LiteBeer | lol |
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| 02:10.46 | Gomex | abrotman, the package name is Snoopy |
| 02:11.10 | abrotman | Gomex: ah, didn't realize it logged them too |
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| 02:13.25 | Gomex | abrotman, I don't know why, but this package don't have in squeeze repos |
| 02:13.31 | Gomex | abrotman, just in backports :( |
| 02:13.37 | abrotman | okay |
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| 02:27.23 | zmisc | would much rather use OSS |
| 02:27.44 | zmisc | OSS is standard on BSD, Solaris and other unices.. Linux went on their own as usual |
| 02:27.47 | gnarface | all the problems i ever had with alsa were because the documentation didn't tell me enough about how my specific soundcard actually works |
| 02:27.53 | zmisc | and claimn standardization |
| 02:28.05 | gnarface | its significantly more flexible than OSS and has nice features like the ability to support more than [stereo] |
| 02:28.24 | Zharf | oss4 is much nicer ;) |
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| 02:28.36 | Zharf | alsa apis are a massive failure... |
| 02:28.53 | gnarface | i still maintain its only the docs that are a massive failure |
| 02:29.01 | zmisc | Yeah, more forking in the name of blind pride :/ |
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| 02:29.21 | zmisc | or starting some bogus api, etc for the sake of it |
| 02:29.31 | abrotman | luckily, we have options |
| 02:29.35 | Zharf | wasn't there talk of a new sound system for linux, again |
| 02:29.48 | sney | PC sound in general is a horrible thing and the whole architecture should be thrown out and started over. down to the hardware and how it talks to things. |
| 02:29.55 | zmisc | Probably apparently the wheel needs improvement :P |
| 02:30.10 | sney | I've never used a single operating system where troubleshooting sound wasn't a giant pain in the butt |
| 02:30.15 | sney | and I've used a lot of operating systems. |
| 02:30.34 | Zharf | pc backwards compatibility is such a drag |
| 02:30.43 | zmisc | Zharf: agreed |
| 02:30.53 | gnarface | yes we should all go back to commodore BASIC |
| 02:31.08 | gnarface | when the sound system was designed right! as part of the disk drive! |
| 02:31.12 | gnarface | where it belongs! |
| 02:31.20 | gnarface | leaves before he gets gagged again |
| 02:31.25 | zmisc | Zharf: wouldn't be awesome if there were an OpenFirmware (OpenBOOT et al) implementation? You could extend it using forth :) |
| 02:31.48 | zmisc | Zharf: I forgot to add the part *for pc* |
| 02:32.01 | abrotman | points at #debian-offtopic for "longer" discussions |
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| 02:32.44 | zmisc | I can't see where you're pointing, is it that area a bit to the left of where you've pointed? |
| 02:33.09 | carl_the_doorman | i'd like to meet a man with a long discussion |
| 02:33.42 | zmisc | smells the air, it reaks of elitism |
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| 02:33.46 | zmisc | lmao |
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| 02:45.23 | tidux | where does update-initramfs keep a list of kernel versions to look for? |
| 02:45.38 | tidux | I manually uninstalled a kernel and initrd that I'd installed manually |
| 02:45.45 | tidux | and now it always complains it can't find them |
| 02:46.11 | tidux | where the fsck IS it being stored? |
| 02:46.16 | tidux | in /etc? |
| 02:46.18 | tidux | in /var? |
| 02:46.34 | tidux | aha found it |
| 02:46.38 | abrotman | /boot/ ? |
| 02:46.39 | tidux | /var/lib/initramfs-tools |
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| 02:50.39 | ageis | re: valve , here we go : http://steamcommunity.com/app/221410/discussions/0/882964760799471245/ |
| 02:50.46 | samruger | if ftp.us.debian.org down? |
| 02:51.34 | ageis | interesting how Debian is included but with no priority |
| 02:51.34 | DeltaHeavy | samruger: Works for me |
| 02:51.54 | DeltaHeavy | I really hope Steam won't only work on Ubuntu. |
| 02:52.14 | abrotman | samruger: doubtful, it's a round robin |
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| 02:52.36 | samruger | strange, every time i try to install something with aptitude it just says that it cant resolve ftp.us.debian.org |
| 02:52.48 | abrotman | samruger: so pick a different mirror that isn't a round robin |
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| 02:54.07 | tidux | yikes, looks like the MIT mirror is down |
| 02:54.10 | tidux | I can't even ping it |
| 02:54.42 | abrotman | not all of MIT |
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| 02:55.22 | tidux | I can't ping the one host that everything's on |
| 02:55.27 | tidux | debian.lcs.mit.edu |
| 02:56.04 | mns | I am using GNOME3 from wheeyz/testing. I have a launcher .desktop file in ~/.local/share/applications/go-home.desktop. I do not see the launcher when I go to Activities->Applications. I did the same thing under Ubuntu/Gnome-shell and it worked fine. |
| 02:56.10 | pmo | strange, a guy in here told me i just needed to add a debian non-free repo to be able to install skype on debian wheezy.. this is not correct hehe |
| 02:56.55 | abrotman | pmo: skype isn't in Debian .. talk to them about it |
| 02:57.01 | tidux | mns: open it in a text editor |
| 02:57.08 | tidux | it might have "don't show in GNOME" set |
| 02:57.09 | pmo | abrotman: read again :P |
| 02:57.18 | abrotman | pmo: i read it the first time .. |
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| 02:58.49 | mns | tidux: It has no such setting. |
| 02:58.55 | pmo | seems like the non-free repo upgraded some packages too O_o |
| 02:59.26 | pmo | got packages that were kept back when i updated, after i removed non-free |
| 02:59.40 | pmo | strange that non-free should upgrade free packages |
| 03:00.00 | pmo | libqt4* |
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| 03:00.32 | tidux | switches to http.us.debian.org mirror |
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| 03:01.16 | pmo | do you have an answer to that one abrotman ? |
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| 03:01.52 | ageis | aaron swartz related DDoS of mit |
| 03:02.03 | abrotman | pmo: no |
| 03:02.11 | pmo | nvm just did a dist upgrade |
| 03:02.13 | pmo | solved |
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| 03:02.24 | abrotman | ageis: that's not funny, nor needed, go be a jerk somewhere else |
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| 03:13.18 | RainbowW- | so i was dumb and i would like to ctrl-c out of an fsck. if i do this, in pass 1 on a volume with errors on it, will i totally hose myself? or will i perhaps save myself a lot of time by correcting my command line? |
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| 03:27.54 | civillian | I would like to clone a disk using clonezilla from a running debian PC, is this possible? |
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| 03:32.02 | metap0d | I'm trying to format my hdd using a kubuntu live cd to prepare a debian net installer on a spare USB stick. I've downloaded gparted and tried time and time again to format/prep the flash drive for unetbootin, but it never sees it mounted :/ |
| 03:32.08 | metap0d | i don't know what i'm doing wrong |
| 03:33.01 | metap0d | in my file manager the flash drive appears |
| 03:34.04 | sney | metap0d, why bother with unetbootin? the debian cd installers are hybrid images. they can be written directly to the device |
| 03:34.29 | metap0d | sney: I only want fluxbox and a few other small things |
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| 03:34.36 | sney | that doesn't change my question |
| 03:34.52 | metap0d | sney: I'm not familiar with a hybrid image |
| 03:35.03 | skamikaze | you could simply use dd on bash |
| 03:35.07 | sney | it's a disk image that's also an iso. |
| 03:35.22 | sney | so it can be written to a cd, OR a flash drive, with no special preparation |
| 03:35.47 | skamikaze | how did you start gparted though? did you use kdesu? |
| 03:36.02 | sney | yes, with dd, like skamikaze just said. details here http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch04s03 |
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| 03:39.13 | RainbowW- | is it possible to redirect fsck's output to a log? |
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| 03:40.09 | echo083 | i just ping debian.org and it responds englund.debian.org |
| 03:40.17 | sney | RainbowW-, fsck (arguments) > foo.log 2>&1 ? |
| 03:40.21 | echo083 | englund is refering to the actor ? |
| 03:40.35 | metap0d | sney: I'll try that method ... but even still my usb drive isn't being mounted correctly |
| 03:40.38 | abrotman | echo083: no |
| 03:40.53 | sney | metap0d, you don't need to mount it to use that method. |
| 03:40.58 | sney | you just need to know the device name. |
| 03:40.59 | echo083 | abrotman, you know where the word englund comes from ? |
| 03:41.00 | RainbowW- | sney will try. if i ctrl-c out of a currently-running fsck, will i hose my partition? |
| 03:41.04 | echo083 | abrotman, just curiosity |
| 03:41.16 | skamikaze | metap0d: you better unmount it anyways - be careful with dd |
| 03:41.19 | metap0d | sney: If I type mount I see it ... but interacting with it in any way doesn't work |
| 03:41.20 | sney | RainbowW-, highly unlikely. it's just a filesystem checker |
| 03:41.50 | RainbowW- | ah it handles a cancel gracefully. |
| 03:42.05 | sney | metap0d, can you umount it? you should do that before writing to it |
| 03:42.07 | abrotman | echo083: i'd guess Computers? |
| 03:42.50 | echo083 | abrotman, ok ok i was looking for the story behind it but seems like it was a name among others. anyway thanks |
| 03:43.18 | abrotman | echo083: lok a tthe list of dev boxes |
| 03:43.51 | echo083 | abrotman, ok :) thanks |
| 03:43.58 | abrotman | echo083: http://db.debian.org/machines.cgi |
| 03:44.49 | skamikaze | RainbowW-: depending on the fsck operation.. ;) |
| 03:44.50 | echo083 | abrotman, oh nice link thanks |
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| 03:47.56 | RainbowW- | skamikaze waiting for user input. :) |
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| 04:12.51 | barque | I cannot aptitude install ftpd and I'm pretty sure it's because of my sources.list. What am I missing? |
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| 04:14.41 | barque | hello? |
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| 04:16.17 | skamikaze | barque: did you run `aptitude update` before? |
| 04:16.23 | barque | yep |
| 04:16.43 | barque | I've had this problem before |
| 04:16.46 | skamikaze | what's inside your sources.list? (pastebin plz) |
| 04:16.47 | barque | something I'm missing |
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| 04:17.31 | barque | kinda hard it's inside a VM |
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| 04:18.02 | nmschulte | Can anyone help me diagnose this? http://paste.debian.net/224437/ |
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| 04:18.11 | barque | I have deb and deb-src on ftp3.nrc.ca/debian squeeze main contrib non-free |
| 04:18.22 | barque | as well as security.debian.org squeeze/updates |
| 04:18.28 | barque | and squeeze-updates |
| 04:18.33 | skamikaze | mhm strange |
| 04:18.38 | nmschulte | Last night I suspended my computer to shut it down. today I boot it up, and I get this, even after warm reboots. |
| 04:18.47 | nmschulte | Even Windows has issues. |
| 04:19.06 | TeamColtra | I am going to ask this here because I don't know a better channel: I want to resize every image in a folder… but since there are over 20K images in the folder, I don't want to keep re-resizing them (but also cannot rename them) suggestions? |
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| 04:19.18 | skamikaze | barque: search with `apt-cache search ^ftpd` plz |
| 04:19.18 | barque | so umm |
| 04:19.20 | TeamColtra | (I don't want to re-resize them if I have to run the command again) |
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| 04:23.13 | barque | proftpd is in ther |
| 04:23.17 | barque | but not ftpd |
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| 04:25.04 | Arrowmaster | if there a reason you want 'ftpd' |
| 04:25.20 | Arrowmaster | instead of one of the other ftp daemons |
| 04:25.33 | barque | yea |
| 04:25.35 | barque | it's simple |
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| 04:25.43 | barque | see, it's not just that |
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| 04:25.51 | barque | I'm missing a crucial part of my sources.list |
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| 04:25.55 | barque | this is just a symptom |
| 04:26.12 | barque | I'm missing base system or some such |
| 04:26.30 | skamikaze | barque: http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/ftpd |
| 04:26.42 | skamikaze | barque: download the package with wget and install with dpkg |
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| 04:26.48 | barque | so to get that, what do I need in my sources.list? |
| 04:26.56 | barque | am I missing packages.debian.org ? |
| 04:27.20 | Arrowmaster | from what you said earlier it sounds like your sources.list is correct |
| 04:27.21 | skamikaze | barque: my sources list: http://pastie.org/5681354 |
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| 04:36.14 | barque | am I maybe missing stable/main? |
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| 04:40.56 | Redeeemed | hi |
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| 04:44.06 | dioz | huh? |
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| 04:51.43 | pce | problemes with rkhunter |
| 04:56.19 | pce | why debian dont use selinux as default |
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| 04:57.52 | zmisc | huh? |
| 04:58.16 | sney | pce, because not everyone will want or need selinux. Debian is not a server-oriented release like CentOS. it is meant to be a universal base from which you can build pretty much any kind of system you want |
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| 04:59.11 | pce | thx, i have problemes with one desk with a lot of server for testing |
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| 05:00.59 | Sarajevo | hello, I'm trying to crash a program on debian compiled with gcc |
| 05:01.07 | Sarajevo | simple and obvious buffer overflow |
| 05:01.12 | Sarajevo | but it doesnt' work really |
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| 05:01.35 | Sarajevo | I used two different compilers, gcc and tinyc |
| 05:01.38 | Sarajevo | neither do work |
| 05:01.57 | sney | maybe your code is better than you think it is |
| 05:02.11 | Sarajevo | no it's not really, just a moment |
| 05:02.36 | sney | before you pastebin some C, this is a support channel for debian users, we're not here to help fix your code |
| 05:03.07 | sney | if you're experiencing a usability problem that's another question, but there's not much to cc foo.c -o bar |
| 05:03.36 | Sarajevo | http://ideone.com/oBsejm |
| 05:03.48 | Sarajevo | i passed atleast 30 chars |
| 05:03.51 | Sarajevo | and it didn't crash |
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| 05:04.13 | Sarajevo | is there a builtin mechanism in debian that prevents such things to happen |
| 05:04.55 | sney | not that I'm aware of. |
| 05:05.29 | Sarajevo | okay thanks |
| 05:05.38 | Sarajevo | I'm so unlucky |
| 05:06.08 | zmisc | So guys, if I've been a Debian user for years and would like newer software, is running Sid an insane choice or do many do it? |
| 05:06.30 | sney | many do it when they are comfortable with apt |
| 05:06.39 | sney | right now is probably the best time to start using sid, because it's slushy |
| 05:06.48 | sney | just hang on when the uploads start again |
| 05:07.10 | zmisc | haha, lots of breakage? |
| 05:07.18 | sney | you are also required to read and understand the http://deb.li/sidfaq as a sid user |
| 05:07.24 | sney | it's completely unpredictable. |
| 05:07.45 | zmisc | what about testing, plus some pinning to get some stuff I need from sid? |
| 05:07.51 | zykotic10 | sney: good time while slushy, but when flood gates reopen - probably bad time. |
| 05:08.30 | sney | zmisc, safer, but a temporary solution since sid and wheezy will separate rather quickly after the debian 7 release, and it wouldn't be smart to use testing immediately after a release |
| 05:08.44 | zykotic10 | zmisc: are you a stable user? |
| 05:08.49 | sney | zykotic10, that's essentially what I said, I think |
| 05:09.03 | zykotic10 | sney: exactly what you said |
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| 05:10.11 | sney | I prefer default-release to pinning, but to each their own |
| 05:10.36 | zykotic10 | isn't default-release a type of pinning? |
| 05:10.41 | sney | though I suppose I might pin cinnamon. or just keep the packages local |
| 05:11.01 | sney | well, yes, just not per-package the way people usually define pinning |
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| 05:11.21 | zmisc | so what do you guys do, run stable right after release, run testing later on, then sid when its slushy and repeat? |
| 05:11.26 | zykotic10 | i tried "pinning" deb-multimedia, was a waste of time... |
| 05:11.40 | sney | zmisc, that minus the sid part. |
| 05:11.52 | zmisc | stable/testing? |
| 05:12.03 | sney | testing after a freeze and sid when it's slushy are nearly identical so upgrading to sid now would be pointless for me |
| 05:12.18 | zmisc | ah |
| 05:12.56 | zykotic10 | zmisc: until the start of the year i was a "stable" desktop user, since migrated to "testing/wheezy" and notice a huge difference in package age/availability. but only "stable" is stable. YMMV. |
| 05:13.39 | zykotic10 | s/and notice/i notice/ |
| 05:13.44 | sney | by the debian definition of stable, anyway. testing in its current state is as stable, or more so, than many other distro "stable" releases |
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| 05:52.46 | jair | hello guys a debian unrelated question but debian community I trust. What is the raid level where I can have four drives two in a mirror and the other two spares of the mirros all four drives 2TB each |
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| 05:53.08 | jair | or you can suggest me a channel where I can ask about this question please |
| 05:53.20 | sney | ##hardware would be a safe bet |
| 05:53.33 | jair | sney: thank you! |
| 05:53.41 | sney | and I don't know the answer off the top of my head |
| 05:53.45 | sney | 1+ something, maybe |
| 05:53.47 | NiLon | jair or then search wikipedia for raid :p |
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| 05:57.32 | jair | NiLon: I came from wikipedia but I am still not understanding it is kind of confusing |
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| 06:00.56 | NiLon | jair well you wan't raid 1 and 0 so how about raid 10? |
| 06:01.23 | NiLon | -' |
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| 06:10.48 | jagginess | raid0 sux |
| 06:10.49 | James-C12 | Have you ever download a image and check it against the md5sum and it fails but if you mount the image and check the md5sum with it, it passes? |
| 06:11.03 | jagginess | (unless of course it's at least mirrored with raid1) |
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| 06:11.49 | James-C12 | then its not raid 0. Its raid 1+0 aka 10 |
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| 06:13.02 | caf | jair: that's just raid1 with two hotspares |
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| 06:14.28 | nmschulte | Woah. Has anyone seen this: http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/File:DMCA_PCI.pdf |
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| 06:15.09 | nmschulte | They filed a DMCA request to take down a link in the references section of the wikipedia article, and wikipedia complied. |
| 06:15.16 | nmschulte | I didn't think the DMCA allowed such things? |
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| 06:26.01 | cardamon | Is there a way to build an xorg.conf from the current settings of xrandr? |
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| 06:26.31 | jair | caf: thank you so much |
| 06:26.52 | jair | caf: I was looking for raid one and two spares |
| 06:27.36 | jair | caf: but I think i understand and I am putting raid one with one spare and see if I can add that fourth one as spare as well |
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| 06:39.07 | jagginess | cardamon, yeah.. but it's ugly.. -- You have to shutdown the Xserver, head to tty1, issue X -configure, copy the sample from ~ to /etc/X11/xorg.conf, then use Modeline , (you don't need to use "time" frequency specifics), and use "DefaultDepth" |
| 06:39.42 | jagginess | ahaha |
| 06:40.10 | jagginess | but then you have to verify/test it as well.. |
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| 06:40.17 | jagginess | and you will likely fail hahaha |
| 06:41.20 | cardamon | I booted up on nouveau for the first time, the xrandr'd to set my screens but I've got this weird blur on the DVI monitor. urxvt looks crisp on the top and bottom, blurry towards the center. |
| 06:41.27 | cardamon | Out of the box, so no antialias yet. |
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| 06:42.56 | jagginess | that's pita stuff.. |
| 06:43.08 | jagginess | so many things can cause that.. it's not fun |
| 06:43.15 | jagginess | offers a hammer to cardamon |
| 06:43.31 | jagginess | astalavista baby |
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| 06:56.45 | vjacob | when support.lenovo.com/en_US/detail.page?LegacyDocID=MIGR-62487 mentions the chipset only working with 3Gb, is that so something that Linux would know how to circumvent do you suppose, or is that just "the end of the road" ? |
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| 06:59.58 | EmleyMoor | vjacob: I think it means "if you're using the Intel graphics chipset, the extra gigabyte makes no difference" - it's not something any OS could circumvent. If I'm right, you may be better off with ATI graphick |
| 07:00.02 | EmleyMoor | graphics |
| 07:00.28 | vjacob | only thing is that I already have the laptop |
| 07:00.40 | vjacob | can't really change the chipset, eh? :) |
| 07:00.46 | vjacob | thanks EmleyMoor |
| 07:01.02 | EmleyMoor | vjacob: Not sure without checking the service manual. L... damn! |
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| 07:58.47 | ttv | zjhxmjl: something like : touch --date "2007-01-01" /tmp/start && touch --date "2008-01-01" /tmp/end && find /data/images -type f -newer /tmp/start -not -newer /tmp/end |
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| 08:14.21 | shingouz | i have a partition labeled "bios" on my eeepc that i do not want to delete but i would need to make it disappear from the mounted devices. fstab does not contain that partition but udisks insists on mounting it whenever a user logs on the computer. personally i do not care if it shows up there, mrs shingouz however might do something with it.. so: how do i disappear that particular partition? |
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| 08:14.54 | cardamon | ...why do you have a partition labled bios? |
| 08:15.46 | shingouz | cardamon: ask asus. i believe it has something to do with some weird and wonderful configuration with the original eeepc |
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| 08:16.06 | cardamon | I had one myself. Never had something like that. |
| 08:16.15 | cardamon | though I bought mine with windows on it and proceed to wipe it. |
| 08:16.29 | bsky_ | anybody use vim here ? |
| 08:17.09 | cardamon | bsky_: FEEBLE EMACS USER! ...sorry, reflex action. |
| 08:17.47 | shingouz | cardamon: this is an old one that came with the funky linux. the partition is a huge 4M one so the space it uses is completely irrelevant, i just do nto want to remove the thing just in case it is needed for a clean boot or possible bios upgrade |
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| 08:22.46 | cardamon | What group do I need to add a user to for sudo permission? |
| 08:23.24 | cardamon | I tried #adduser <user> sudo but I still get the "User is not in sudoers" error |
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| 08:24.11 | Sm0ke0ut | cardamon: try: visudo |
| 08:24.16 | Sm0ke0ut | (as root) |
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| 08:24.39 | bsky_ | im not use sudo, use su - root |
| 08:25.06 | cardamon | Sm0ke0ut: No, that's just a call to open /etc/sudoers in $EDITOR |
| 08:25.16 | Sm0ke0ut | yeah |
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| 08:25.34 | Sm0ke0ut | but that file contains the information of which users/groups are allowed to use sudo |
| 08:26.02 | cardamon | Sm0ke0ut: Including a line that gives members of the sudo group permission. |
| 08:26.12 | cardamon | So I shouldn't have to touch it. |
| 08:26.17 | shingouz | cardamon: you do need to add the user to /etc/sudoers and specify the commands that user can use |
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| 08:27.45 | cardamon | No, you don't. |
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| 08:29.25 | shingouz | cardamon: you just tried it your way and it did not work. try it my way and see if it does |
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| 08:30.48 | cardamon | %sudo ALL=(ALL:ALL) ALL |
| 08:31.30 | shingouz | cardamon: that should work... |
| 08:31.36 | cardamon | And it doesn't. |
| 08:31.49 | cardamon | But it should |
| 08:32.19 | shingouz | cardamon: i see. that seems to indicate a stuck bit in one of the tubes ;) |
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| 08:32.53 | vlt | wols: I thought it might be a good place to do. |
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| 08:39.52 | cardamon | Got it. It was working fine, but apparently konsole wouldn't refresh the user groups without a reboot. |
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| 08:43.30 | jelly-home | cardamon: logging off and back on would have worked as well |
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| 08:48.07 | invariant | How is determined whether a package contributes to release critical condition? |
| 08:48.32 | invariant | I am seeing some packages of which I think that they are only of interest to a small minority and for which other installation methods exist. |
| 08:49.11 | invariant | In other words: there is also such a thing as extending the scope of a project to things which perhaps shouldn't be handled within the distribution. |
| 08:49.44 | invariant | For example: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?archive=no&pkg=haskell-yesod-auth |
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| 08:50.48 | invariant | The number of people who are going to use that package for production purposes will likely be less than 50 globally. Is that enough reason to delay a stable release? |
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| 08:54.36 | jelly-home | invariant: a maintainer or release managers may (and do) tag some bug reports to ignore them for the current release -- look for squeeze-ignore or wheezy-ignore tags in the bts |
| 08:55.12 | Neon | Hello, I have a Debian Squeeze server and due to some (hopefully) kiddy SYN DDoS attacks I wanted to enable syncookies and reverse path check. I echo'd a 1 into /proc/sys/net/ipv4/tcp_syncookies, /proc/sys/net/ipv4/conf/all/rp_filter and /proc/sys/net/ipv4/conf/eth0/rp_filter and just restarted the server, just to see that these values have been reset to 0 now... How can I change these settings. It's really important. |
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| 08:55.35 | cardamon | Regarding SSH...do you make keypairs on the SSH server the will be the remote, or on the local machine? |
| 08:56.01 | jelly-home | Neon: man sysctl.conf, /etc/sysctl.conf |
| 08:57.24 | Neon | jelly-home: Thanks, that's what I searched for. |
| 08:58.09 | invariant | cardamon, I can imagine that creating it on the local machine is more secure. |
| 08:58.27 | invariant | cardamon, however, if the remote side is malicious, then it won't help. |
| 08:59.21 | jelly-home | cardamon: you don't need the whole keypair on the remote side, just on the (trusted) client |
| 08:59.35 | cardamon | Got it. |
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| 09:02.45 | somethinginteres | How do I disable a piece of internal hardware on Debian? A TV card to be exact DVBT-300 (saa7134 module I believe). |
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| 09:04.06 | Rienzilla | somethinginteres: rmmod it? |
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| 09:05.32 | somethinginteres | Rienzilla: does that only work for the current session or permanently? Just looking at the man page now. |
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| 09:06.00 | Rienzilla | only current. But why woul dyou want to disable it |
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| 09:07.47 | somethinginteres | Rienzilla: having issues with that TV card bought 2 new external ones. Can't remove it atm so just wanting to disable it so that Debian doesn't register it because I have mythtv setup to use adapter0/frontend0 and adapter1/frontend1 but the internal is being assigned that number |
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| 09:08.00 | Rienzilla | ah |
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| 09:08.58 | nmschulte | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5G0j_Huv2Fg |
| 09:09.00 | Rienzilla | maybe you can configure the module loader to not load module for that hardware... /etc/modules.conf or the like |
| 09:09.06 | Rienzilla | not sure how that would work exactly though |
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| 09:15.58 | somethinginteres | Rienzilla: seems to have been disabled correctly by making a blacklist.conf file in /etc/modprobe.d |
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| 09:20.54 | vizzy | food morning world. does anyone have the same problems with midnight commander? i get mc: symbol lookup error: mc: undefined symbol: g_key_file_remove_group which is strange. seems to happen after one of the last updates in debian 7.0 (testing) |
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| 09:21.12 | Armand | MMmmmm... Food.. |
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| 09:24.05 | vizzy | the latest 7.0 testing is called wheezy or? |
| 09:24.22 | vizzy | or is it sid? |
| 09:24.30 | vizzy | im always confused about the namings |
| 09:24.47 | bniels | sid is never released. sid is always the unstable branch |
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| 09:25.07 | bniels | (and thus has no assigned version number) |
| 09:25.18 | vizzy | ok, im using testing, 7.0 says debian_version, to get the right packages i have to search for wheezy, right? |
| 09:25.27 | bniels | yes |
| 09:25.29 | vizzy | thy |
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| 09:26.02 | bniels | you're welcome |
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| 09:30.35 | vizzy | argh, reportbug fails.... |
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| 09:34.23 | bniels | fails how? it might need a configured way to send mails |
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| 09:34.52 | vizzy | no, python backtrace error or so. |
| 09:35.05 | vizzy | after trying now several times it works like expected |
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| 09:35.34 | vizzy | i configured it to use debian smtp |
| 09:35.44 | vizzy | and now times out, what a pain |
| 09:36.09 | vizzy | Connecting to reportbug.debian.org via SMTP... |
| 09:36.10 | vizzy | SMTP send failure: timed out. |
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| 09:40.17 | LoonaTickIRC | Hi. I have an nfs3 machine with high load. When I executed 'iptraf' and see the package statistics per host. The strange thing is that the machine itself pops up every other records, and combining the machine itself it would be the biggest consumer. Any idea what's going on here or suggestions to better find out what's causing the load? |
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| 09:43.52 | ChrisH | LoonaTick: High Load == outstanding IO... is the box slow or is only the load figure high? check atop for colored lines |
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| 09:44.40 | LoonaTick | ChrisH: The box has high load due to high IO usage, I'll check atop |
| 09:45.41 | LoonaTick | ChrisH: The only line red every once in a while is the DSK line at the top |
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| 09:48.29 | ChrisH | LoonaTick: Is the box slow or not on commandline? |
| 09:48.56 | LoonaTick | ChrisH: It's not slow on the command line |
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| 09:49.31 | LoonaTick | ChrisH: I also checked the DRAC log for broken disks and so forth but didn't find any |
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| 09:50.18 | ChrisH | Could be a dying disk. |
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| 09:50.59 | LoonaTick | ChrisH: I think then it would pop up in the DRAC log |
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| 09:52.18 | ChrisH | LoonaTick: no neccessary, if the disk did not yet recognozed it |
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| 09:52.32 | ChrisH | is it allways the same disk in atop getting red? |
| 09:53.03 | LoonaTick | ChrisH: It's a RAID array of some SAS disks |
| 09:53.51 | ChrisH | real HW Raid or mdadm Raid? |
| 09:54.07 | LoonaTick | Real hardware |
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| 09:54.30 | LoonaTick | Smart passed for all 6 disks |
| 09:54.44 | ChrisH | then the Raid is too slow :) can you pastebin the atop output on paste.debian.net ? |
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| 09:55.32 | LoonaTick | http://paste.debian.net/hidden/be2108d7/ |
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| 09:55.53 | LoonaTick | btw the load magically dropped again, it goes up and down |
| 09:55.58 | LoonaTick | when issues pop up it has load 10 |
| 09:58.17 | ChrisH | LoonaTick: You did not wait until the atop output refreshed before pasting it? |
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| 10:15.33 | garulf | hi |
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| 10:22.54 | buscon | Hi |
| 10:23.02 | buscon | I have a very simple bash script |
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| 10:23.11 | buscon | that runs correctly from the command line |
| 10:23.16 | buscon | but not in the crontab |
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| 10:25.03 | Infiltrator | buscon: What doesn't work? |
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| 10:25.43 | buscon | here's the script |
| 10:25.45 | buscon | http://pastebin.com/ZGD09kse |
| 10:25.52 | ChrisH | normally this means incorrect assumoptions on path and other enviromentals |
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| 10:26.12 | buscon | ChrisH, yes, that's why I do a cd inside the script |
| 10:26.17 | ChrisH | buscon: where is rake binary? |
| 10:26.40 | buscon | ChrisH, that's in /usr/local/share/redmine, that's why i do a cd there |
| 10:26.59 | buscon | the script work when I ran it on the command line, independently of where I am |
| 10:27.39 | buscon | so it should not be a path problem |
| 10:27.40 | ChrisH | buscon: man 5 crontab PATH is set to "/usr/bin:/bin" <-- no . in PATH... replace rake with ./rake and will should work |
| 10:27.41 | Infiltrator | buscon: That's probably because it inherits your PATH in that case. |
| 10:28.01 | Infiltrator | Or better yet just cut out the cd and put the full path to rake. |
| 10:28.18 | jelly | the software might need that pwd |
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| 10:28.32 | buscon | jelly, yes, I think that too |
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| 10:29.09 | buscon | ChrisH, I can try that, but why does it work on the command line then ? |
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| 10:29.23 | rdz | hi all. how likely is it that debian wheezy will be release before april? |
| 10:30.27 | Infiltrator | buscon: Probably because your PATH includes that. Do an echo $PATH and see. |
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| 10:30.55 | buscon | Infiltrator, that's my echo $PATH |
| 10:31.05 | buscon | /usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin |
| 10:31.19 | Infiltrator | rdz: There was an earlier estimate here that said 2-5mnths. Though I don't know if you can trust whoever said that. And I know that you certainly can't trust me. :) |
| 10:31.31 | Infiltrator | buscon: Do a which rake |
| 10:32.02 | buscon | /usr/local/bin/rake |
| 10:32.17 | ChrisH | buscon: questions answered? |
| 10:32.18 | rdz | Infiltrator, i'm well aware, that those only are estimates |
| 10:32.35 | rdz | Infiltrator, anyway: thank you! |
| 10:32.45 | buscon | ChrisH, well, the script still not working... :P |
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| 10:33.06 | buscon | ChrisH, I mean the PATH is right |
| 10:33.09 | buscon | isn't it? |
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| 10:33.33 | rdz | Infiltrator, if one extrapolates the green graph on http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/ then it looks like the release will happen still in march |
| 10:33.33 | ChrisH | buscon: do you get an email from cron? As which user do you run that script? |
| 10:35.22 | buscon | ChrisH, no, /var/mail/ is empty - I run the script as root |
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| 10:36.33 | ChrisH | buscon: edit the script as follows http://pastebin.com/RMDGSHhY ; run it using at; at now <RETURN>PATH_TO_SCRIPT <RETURN>CTRL-D and check mailbox for root |
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| 10:38.31 | mvt007geek | hi |
| 10:38.43 | mvt007geek | how can i install idm with debian? |
| 10:38.59 | mvt007geek | i went to it's folder |
| 10:39.10 | mvt007geek | and did : wine IDM 6.05 Full.exe but |
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| 10:39.20 | mvt007geek | it gave me this wine: could not load L"C:\\windows\\system32\\IDM.exe": Module not found |
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| 10:41.25 | themill | mvt007geek: please decide whether you're running ubuntu or debian and don't cross-post questions. |
| 10:41.56 | mvt007geek | whats the difference? |
| 10:42.05 | mvt007geek | i use both ubuntu and debian |
| 10:42.14 | bniels | mvt007geek, put double quotes around file names with spaces inside |
| 10:42.26 | bniels | or single quotes |
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| 10:42.46 | mvt007geek | it's my business where i want to post my questons |
| 10:42.53 | ChrisH | dpkg: please tell mvt007geek about ubuntu |
| 10:42.53 | dpkg | ChrisH: no idea |
| 10:43.10 | ectospasm | !ubuntu is not debian |
| 10:43.10 | dpkg | is not debian: Please take your Ubuntu question to #ubuntu on chat.freenode.net as they are able to help you much better with Ubuntu questions than #debian. Ubuntu can be quite different from Debian, #debian is not just a version of #ubuntu for advanced Ubuntu users. |
| 10:43.11 | themill | no, if you're not doing this on debian, it's not a question #debian can help with |
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| 10:43.38 | mvt007geek | i'm in debian right now |
| 10:43.42 | themill | "I sometimes also use debian" does not make it a #debian question. "I am currently trying it on debian" is. |
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| 10:44.02 | mvt007geek | and it gave me this error in DEBIAN |
| 10:44.06 | beliveyourdream | anyone knows why this happens in vagrant when using nfs ? http://pastebin.com/JujsLpPr |
| 10:44.15 | themill | mvt007geek: so why would you ask about it in #ubuntu? |
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| 10:44.39 | themill | dpkg: tell mvt007geek about cross-post |
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| 10:45.40 | themill | mvt007geek: you might like to use tab completion for filenames with spaces in them (or use quotes as bniels said) |
| 10:46.05 | rdz | beliveyourdream, nfs sometimes creates files .nfsxxxxxxxxxxx als a mechanism to lock files. probably some are left, thus the message |
| 10:46.09 | ChrisH | beliveyourdream: I can guess... the magic words are "The lock file is not up to date" Filelocking is something that does, erm not so well work with NFS. |
| 10:46.41 | ChrisH | rdz: .nfsXXX files are no lockfiles, but deleted and still open files. |
| 10:47.01 | rdz | ChrisH, ah.. thanks for the update |
| 10:47.58 | beliveyourdream | the warning about the lock file refers to the lock file of composer which is used to lock the versions of the packages to be installed |
| 10:48.13 | ChrisH | rdz: touch test ; sleep 100000 < test ; in a second window: rm test and see a .nfsXXX file instead; rm .nfsXXX and a new one will be there until sleep terminates |
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| 10:48.21 | mvt007geek | most of the time i'm in debian/fedora/ubuntu rooms.and it's not different where i ask this question .and i don't think it's impolite. |
| 10:48.44 | mvt007geek | by the way can someone help me about install idm with wine? |
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| 10:49.21 | themill | mvt007geek: you've got your answer twice... |
| 10:49.24 | rdz | ChrisH, this explains a lot. thanks! |
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| 10:49.28 | mvt007geek | it give methis error wine: could not load L"C:\\windows\\system32\\idm.exe": Module not found |
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| 10:50.05 | bniels | themill, looks like he didn't understand our answer :( |
| 10:50.18 | beliveyourdream | but there is no .nfsxxxx file in that folder |
| 10:50.30 | beliveyourdream | there is a only a locales folder |
| 10:50.38 | beliveyourdream | so yes the directory is not empty |
| 10:50.39 | themill | bniels: indeed. |
| 10:50.54 | ChrisH | beliveyourdream: is that software able to run on NFS? |
| 10:50.55 | beliveyourdream | but if i don't use nfs this error never occurs |
| 10:51.15 | beliveyourdream | ChrisH: it runs but only when i try to install it i get this |
| 10:51.25 | mvt007geek | bniels: sorry. i tried it now :) it worked |
| 10:51.32 | mvt007geek | thanks ;) |
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| 10:53.19 | ChrisH | beliveyourdream: What is your problem? The line 9 or Line 21 ? |
| 10:54.23 | beliveyourdream | ChrisH: line 21 |
| 10:54.38 | beliveyourdream | line 9 is to be expected |
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| 10:54.54 | beliveyourdream | and it has nothing to do with the problem |
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| 10:55.13 | ChrisH | beliveyourdream: I stuck to Line9... then please pastebin ls -la /var/www/test/vendor/symfony/symfony/src/Symfony/Component/Locale/Resources/data/49 to paste.debian.net |
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| 10:56.10 | beliveyourdream | http://pastebin.com/AVKT7qiY |
| 10:56.13 | beliveyourdream | ChrisH: ^^ |
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| 10:58.46 | EugenA | hello, I need little bit help, I'm not debian user, just booted the liveDVD, i need to install an run scrounge-ntfs |
| 10:59.19 | EugenA | what is the easiest way to install it? there should be binaries for debian |
| 10:59.25 | beliveyourdream | EugenA: apt-get install scrounge-ntfs |
| 11:00.05 | EugenA | done. thanks! ++ |
| 11:00.06 | ChrisH | beliveyourdream: weird... do you have an idea how did create the locales file? |
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| 11:00.59 | beliveyourdream | ChrisH: not really .. but as i said .. if i don't use nfs this problem never occurs |
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| 11:01.27 | beliveyourdream | so the locales directory must be created either way |
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| 11:02.13 | beliveyourdream | i've searched about symfony and nfs and it seems it has some performance issues anyway so i think i'll just install it inside the vm and use rsync or something |
| 11:02.58 | ChrisH | beliveyourdream: could be a timing or time problem. It might be worth to try on a mount with modified attribute caching.. man nfs search for mount paramter starting with ac, like noac |
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| 11:03.38 | ChrisH | starting with ac, like noac ... <- cool |
| 11:03.58 | beliveyourdream | :) |
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| 11:26.38 | mvt007geek | hi again |
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| 11:29.08 | mvt007geek | i installed idm with wine but when i wanted to enable advanced browser integration gave me error |
| 11:29.15 | mvt007geek | what should i do? |
| 11:29.28 | mvt007geek | is it because of wine? |
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| 11:29.33 | Artej | hi |
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| 11:30.19 | babilen | mvt007geek: I have no idea what you are talking about (what is idm? what is advanced browser integration? which error do you get?) and you might want to ask in #winehq as I don't see the connection to Debian at all |
| 11:30.45 | Artej | Does anybody know how I can find where is problem which causes opengl windows to redraw only on losing/gaining focus? |
| 11:30.52 | mvt007geek | internet download manager |
| 11:30.54 | themill | mvt007geek: "integration" and "wine" don't often go in the same sentence. |
| 11:32.03 | mvt007geek | themill: is it a grammatical error? or a technical error?!! |
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| 11:32.16 | themill | the latter |
| 11:32.34 | mvt007geek | so? |
| 11:33.02 | mvt007geek | i cant use it with wine? |
| 11:33.45 | ChrisH | my Downloadmanager is vi and wget |
| 11:35.00 | Scall | Hello everybody. I don't understand why if I'm editing a file named "example" with Vim and I do ":set backup" and ":wq", then I don't see an "example~" backup file. This is my ~/.vimrc: http://paste.debian.net/224512/ |
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| 11:35.52 | mvt007geek | ChrisH: i can't work with wget really. i don't know what should i do with it. |
| 11:37.29 | berarma | mvt007geek: there are others |
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| 11:37.55 | Haris | Hello all |
| 11:37.56 | mvt007geek | berarma: like what? |
| 11:38.00 | babilen | Scall: I would suggest to try #vim |
| 11:38.14 | Haris | doesn't apt-get or aptitude have a switch to them for 'info' as yum does ? |
| 11:38.32 | Haris | I need to get puppet client, but don't want a version that's later than the one I have on my puppet server box |
| 11:39.30 | babilen | mvt007geek: "apt-cache search download manager" results in a couple of hits. Take a look at them, in particular downthemall, kget, fatrat, multiget and steadyflow look interesting |
| 11:39.52 | ChrisH | Haris: apt-cache show and apt-cache policy |
| 11:40.47 | babilen | judd: v puppet |
| 11:40.49 | judd | Package: puppet on i386 -- lenny: 0.24.5-3+lenny2; lenny-security: 0.24.5-3+lenny2; lenny-backports: 2.6.2-4~bpo50+1; squeeze: 2.6.2-5+squeeze6; squeeze-proposed-updates: 2.6.2-5+squeeze6; squeeze-security: 2.6.2-5+squeeze6; squeeze-backports: 2.7.18-1~bpo60+1; sid: 2.7.18-2; wheezy: 2.7.18-2; experimental: 3.0.0~rc2-1 |
| 11:40.57 | babilen | Haris: These are the versions of puppet in Debian ^^^^ |
| 11:41.23 | mvt007geek | idm is very very easy and friendly |
| 11:41.37 | mvt007geek | linux download managers are really hard for me |
| 11:41.50 | Scall | babilen: okay, better to ask there, you're right |
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| 11:41.54 | Haris | this is 5.0.8 |
| 11:42.12 | Haris | On the server I have 2.6.17-2.el5 |
| 11:42.19 | Haris | Correction: puppet 2.6.17-2.el5 |
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| 11:44.48 | babilen | Haris: First of all: You /have/ to upgrade your box to squeeze ASAP as support for lenny (what you are using now) has ended a long time ago. See "/msg dpkg lenny->squeeze" and the installation guide (/msg dpkg ig) for further information. The version of puppet in lenny /and/ squeeze is lower than the one on your server which is what you wanted, so I am not entirely sure what your problem is. |
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| 11:46.06 | Haris | no problem at all |
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| 11:48.07 | babilen | Haris: But please make sure to upgrade to squeeze. Running lenny is not an option /at all/ (cf. "/msg dpkg lenny" too) |
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| 11:48.57 | Haris | is upgrade a messy affair, as usual ? |
| 11:49.15 | Haris | this box is a production box. Even though its not a data holding box, I need it to be up |
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| 11:51.02 | babilen | Haris: The upgrade path from lenny to squeeze is quiete stable and well tested. But let me repeat: Running lenny is /not an option/ -- You should have upgraded (and planned for it) *three* years ago. Debian will release the next version within a couple of months from now which means that even if you upgrade to squeeze you would have to upgrade within a year. |
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| 11:52.14 | babilen | Haris: upgrade from squeeze to wheezy that is -- But as always with upgrades: Make sure you have backups and redundancy (if needed) |
| 11:52.52 | Haris | I'll have to add that to my schedule |
| 11:54.22 | babilen | Haris: Err, "three years" was a bit of an emotional statement and not actually true. Squeeze has been released on 2011-02-06 and support for Lenny stopped 2012-02-06 ... |
| 11:54.43 | babilen | Haris: Either way: About time to upgrade. :) |
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| 11:59.59 | boudiccas | what programme runs the command of 'sudo updaedb' please? i'm trying to locate a file but i dont think the locate foo programme is installed |
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| 12:00.55 | bniels | boudiccas, updatedb is run daily from the crontab. it's in package mlocate |
| 12:00.56 | boudiccas | sudo updatedb |
| 12:01.03 | boudiccas | ah thanks |
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| 12:04.03 | bniels | boudiccas, if the machine isn't on 24/7, it might miss the some crontab runs, so you should consider installing anacron (which makes up for the missed crontab runs by doing them some minutes after system start) |
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| 12:04.37 | boudiccas | bniels: its okay, its on 24/7, so it chould have updated |
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| 12:06.14 | mvt007geek | is anyone know some good graphical download manager? |
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| 12:07.56 | mvt007geek | is anyone know some good graphical download manager? |
| 12:08.38 | ksk | wget |
| 12:08.46 | ksk | ah, graphical. hell no :P |
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| 12:08.58 | ChrisH | ksk: wget is graphical enough! |
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| 12:09.14 | max999 | mvt007geek, steadyflow for example, there are tons of. why dont you google before asking? =) |
| 12:09.22 | bniels | yeah, it has a progress bar |
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| 12:09.44 | max999 | for the wget fans, there is gwget too (wget gui) |
| 12:09.55 | max999 | or uget. god there are so many. |
| 12:09.59 | mvt007geek | i installe many but non was useful...some didn't exist in debian repository.that was the reason |
| 12:10.06 | mvt007geek | max999: |
| 12:10.08 | max999 | mvt007geek, sudo apt-get install steadyflow |
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| 12:11.45 | max999 | mvt007geek, if your google results dont exist in debian ppas, try adding keywords like debian or ubuntu. |
| 12:11.57 | max999 | i found a few in a milisecond of research =) |
| 12:12.04 | max999 | steadyflow looks pretty good. |
| 12:12.16 | boudiccas | max999: fatrat |
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| 12:12.31 | max999 | boudiccas, why you insult me .. joke ;-) |
| 12:12.35 | boudiccas | mvt007geek: fatrat |
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| 12:12.43 | boudiccas | max999: sorry |
| 12:12.53 | max999 | boudiccas, just kidding. i get its a dl-mgr |
| 12:13.05 | boudiccas | max999: yes, quite good too |
| 12:13.22 | ChrisH | mvt007geek: How does such an Download Manager work? You paste the downloadlink from a website into the Download Manager? |
| 12:13.59 | mvt007geek | it pause and finish immediately ...no download |
| 12:14.28 | mvt007geek | max999: boudiccas http://pastebin.com/3ykpZUZw |
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| 12:15.14 | max999 | mvt007geek, why dont you try steadyflow? |
| 12:15.25 | max999 | mvt007geek, oh i see. |
| 12:15.26 | boudiccas | mvt007geek: sorry, i dont partake of pastebin, use dpaste or paste.debian.net and i'll look at it :) |
| 12:15.30 | max999 | mvt007geek, well its in my repos. |
| 12:15.45 | max999 | mvt007geek, im on debian sid though. not sure in which repos it is |
| 12:16.03 | max999 | its in sid and wheezy as far as google tells me. |
| 12:16.14 | mvt007geek | so it is not for me |
| 12:16.18 | mvt007geek | :/ |
| 12:16.30 | bniels | judd: v steadyflow |
| 12:16.31 | judd | Package: steadyflow on i386 -- sid: 0.2.0-1; wheezy: 0.2.0-1 |
| 12:16.37 | max999 | you could add the wheezy / sid repo just for this install and remove it afterwards |
| 12:16.53 | max999 | dont do upgrade or dist-upgrade when u do this ;) |
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| 12:17.10 | mvt007geek | maybe i doenload it's .deb file .....maybe this work' |
| 12:17.17 | bniels | judd: v fatrat |
| 12:17.18 | judd | Package: fatrat on i386 -- squeeze: 1.1.2-2; sid: 1.1.3-5; wheezy: 1.1.3-5 |
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| 12:17.52 | max999 | mvt007geek, fatrat is in the repos. |
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| 12:18.18 | mvt007geek | i tryed it right now...it wasn't!!! |
| 12:18.55 | max999 | you are on which debian exactly? |
| 12:18.57 | boudiccas | every time i try to upgrade/install atm from http://http.debian.net it just hangs, is it down please? |
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| 12:19.38 | max999 | i guess you are a) doing something wrong or b) on an old debian version thats no longer updated =) |
| 12:19.57 | boudiccas | max999: or on LMDE or ubuntu |
| 12:20.04 | max999 | :-D |
| 12:20.17 | mvt007geek | max999: me or boudiccas? |
| 12:20.21 | mvt007geek | :D |
| 12:20.24 | max999 | mvt007geek, you :) |
| 12:20.28 | boudiccas | mvt007geek: you |
| 12:20.46 | mvt007geek | maybe... |
| 12:21.21 | mvt007geek | but repos are seprate from debian version. |
| 12:21.28 | mvt007geek | aren't they? |
| 12:21.35 | boudiccas | mvt007geek: stop trolling |
| 12:21.58 | max999 | mvt007geek, whats lsb_release -a telling you? |
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| 12:22.11 | nullby7e | waitin for wheezy |
| 12:22.24 | max999 | and why is my lsb_release -a telling me to be on wheezy while i am on sid? |
| 12:22.29 | mvt007geek | Linux debian 2.6.32-5-amd64 #1 SMP Sun May 6 04:00:17 UTC 2012 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
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| 12:22.38 | max999 | thats uname -a |
| 12:22.40 | max999 | not lsb_release |
| 12:23.05 | mvt007geek | No LSB modules are available. |
| 12:23.18 | max999 | ... and in the end behind codename: ? |
| 12:23.29 | max999 | told you to use -a |
| 12:23.30 | mvt007geek | wait to past plz |
| 12:23.32 | boudiccas | mvt007geek: so its not debian then |
| 12:24.07 | mvt007geek | http://pastebin.com/U86SJKaA |
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| 12:24.28 | mvt007geek | boudiccas: don't be doubtful :D |
| 12:24.42 | max999 | well then sudo apt-get install fatrat will work for you |
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| 12:25.00 | mvt007geek | it didn't too :D |
| 12:25.13 | max999 | fix your apt sources file then |
| 12:25.30 | max999 | boudiccas, he a troll? |
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| 12:26.19 | ChrisH | mvt007geek: Please pastebin to paste.debian.net : apt-get update ; apt-get policy fatrat ; cat /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 12:26.20 | boudiccas | max999: yes, i believe so. the fact that he/she is not able to tell us what debian version they are using, and their general reluctance to provide back up information |
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| 12:26.58 | max999 | his uname looks pretty conspiciousness. |
| 12:27.10 | max999 | on some weird fork with its own repos maybe. |
| 12:27.12 | boudiccas | max999: faked |
| 12:27.47 | mvt007geek | :D |
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| 12:28.08 | mvt007geek | common...i'm not james band and in a mission :D |
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| 12:28.55 | mvt007geek | maybe the problem is my repositories.i 'll fix them |
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| 12:29.12 | mvt007geek | not maybe..certainly |
| 12:29.56 | Armand | James Banned.. lololol |
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| 12:33.38 | boudiccas | max999: notice the lack of information provided that ChrisH asked for! Says it all really, I rest my case! :) |
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| 12:34.06 | max999 | boudiccas, me too we told him all he needs to know anyways. if he is on squeezy he just has to fix his sources =) |
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| 12:36.24 | babilen | mvt007geek: Please run "find /etc/apt/ -name '*.list' -printf "\n:\n" -exec cat {} \;", "apt-cache policy" and "apt-cache policy fatrat" and paste the output to http://paste.debian.net please |
| 12:36.44 | babilen | dpkg: tell max999 -about squeezy |
| 12:36.45 | babilen | :) |
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| 12:40.09 | mvt007geek | !dpkg |
| 12:40.09 | dpkg | it has been said that dpkg is the program used by Debian to install and remove packages, "man dpkg". Also ask me about <reference>. The main info bot in #debian is also called dpkg; ask me about <dpkgbot>. |
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| 12:40.38 | babilen | mvt007geek: Do you have problems pasting the output? |
| 12:40.43 | ChrisH | boudiccas: IIRC, you mentioned some install issue. Are they still there? |
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| 12:42.29 | mvt007geek | babilen: i give up :) ...in another time i will do something for download manager.thank u all my friends :) for you help and suggestiond |
| 12:42.38 | mvt007geek | *suggestions |
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| 12:45.36 | babilen | mvt007geek: Why do you give up? It shouldn't be too hard to provide the output of the commands I've just mentioned. You run them and you paste their output to http://paste.debian.net |
| 12:45.48 | ectospasm | !paste |
| 12:45.48 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>. |
| 12:46.08 | babilen | mvt007geek: You have problems with your system that should be fixed, so please provide the output I've asked for and lets sort it out. |
| 12:48.04 | mvt007geek | babilen: it's about time.i should do something else now |
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| 12:53.29 | cardamon | KDE uses networkmanager, but I prefer wicd |
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| 12:54.09 | cardamon | I notice it has the option to choose your network management backend in some of its configuration menus, with a precedence list. Does that mean I can just swap them out? |
| 12:54.35 | Benkinooby | hi, me again. I have to transfer one big file (1.7 GB) over a unstable, slow sattelite internet connection (rsync says ~30kB/s). My current approach: a script that runs in tmux (Screen-like terminal mulitplexer) and restarts rsync when it exits faulty. http://paste.ubuntu.com/1530714/ This is the error I get http://paste.ubuntu.com/1530715/ I suspect SSH to start the trouble (Write failed: Broken pipe) when the connection gets quirky. I am not |
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| 12:57.24 | Benkinooby | I am asking here since I suspect the client (debian computer) to be the trouble maker (more specifically its ssh management) |
| 12:57.42 | ChrisH | Benkinooby: What is your question? The connections gets interrupted, ssh reports broken pipe and does hand this up to rsync. Rsyncs way to conform the broken connection is "error in rsync protocol data stream" and "connection unexpectedly" looks loke a rsync -v (vv) session. |
| 12:59.07 | sw_ | Just upgraded my asterisk package, and it seems it introduces a regression once again. Asterisk crashes when trying to make a call. Anyone in the asterisk team here ? |
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| 12:59.19 | Benkinooby | ChrisH: oh sorry - forgot the question - was too earger to get my facts stright :P the question: is there something that might be more suitable for my needs? Encryption would be nice but is not necessary (I'm not transfering anything "hot") - user authentication is a must (don't want my server to be that "open") |
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| 13:00.28 | caf | is this a once-off or are you transferring this 1.7GB file frequently? |
| 13:00.54 | ChrisH | Benkinooby: If rsync does a correct reattach to the transfer, its fine. otherwise I would split the 1.7GB using split (1M) into smaller parts and transfer the smaller parts using rsync. But rsync would be my favorite. |
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| 13:01.28 | Benkinooby | ChrisH: ok thank you. How will the split help? |
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| 13:02.35 | koollman | Benkinooby: well, something more suitable would be a stable connection. I think your current approach is probably ok |
| 13:03.21 | Benkinooby | ChrisH: waht level of verbosity would you recommend? Also: Why can't I reproduce the error? I start the transfer from a LAN computer to the server and then turn off the clients wifi wich should be pretty much the same symptom - but in that case rsync just waits and resumes when the link is up again. in otherwords: ssh doesn't even break |
| 13:03.25 | ChrisH | Benkinooby: split would help if rsync start allways start from the very beginning of the file. |
| 13:03.27 | koollman | Benkinooby: and broken pipe is typical of a ssh connection being closed, usually because it failed. it would fail more often if you have keepalive to a short value in the ssh config |
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| 13:03.37 | koollman | ChrisH: rsync is smarter than that |
| 13:04.22 | Benkinooby | ChrisH: i use --partial - it will resume the file it stopepd t |
| 13:04.28 | Benkinooby | *stopped at |
| 13:05.06 | ChrisH | Benkinooby: theere might be a router/firewall in between sending some RST after a while. you could add TCPKeepAlive yes |
| 13:05.13 | Benkinooby | koollman: that's what I figure too - keepalive makes it worse. It basically tells me in short intervalls how s*it my connection is XD |
| 13:05.14 | ChrisH | abd ServerAliveInterval 60 |
| 13:05.40 | ChrisH | and ServerAliveInterval 60 to your ~/.ssh/config to force the ssh connection to stay alive |
| 13:05.45 | cardamon | Got a pci wireless nic. Modules are already running, and got the firmware from non-free. Also grabbed wireless-tools and rfkill and restarted services network and networkmanager. ifup wlan0 still won't bring the interface up. |
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| 13:05.49 | Benkinooby | ChrisH: the problem is: if the connection is down, the keep alive will never reach teh server |
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| 13:06.15 | ChrisH | Benkinooby: if the connection is down, nothing will reach the server |
| 13:06.28 | Benkinooby | ChrisH: I know :( |
| 13:06.39 | max999 | i just set up vuurmuur (iptables cli management) and it works fine, i just cant bring up the logging daemon. |
| 13:06.51 | boudiccas | ChrisH: just finished dinner and back on the computer, let me see |
| 13:06.57 | koollman | Benkinooby: now, I'm curious ... where is the computer ? |
| 13:07.08 | Benkinooby | ChrisH: my stand is that the keepalive will not help if conn is down and is not required if conn is up (and transfering data). |
| 13:07.09 | nkuttler | does somebody know a good XML data browser? folding/unfolding blocks is basically all i need |
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| 13:07.24 | nkuttler | should probably just use vim |
| 13:07.27 | koollman | Benkinooby: keepalive helps by detecting that connection is down a bit earlier |
| 13:07.34 | Benkinooby | koollman: oh! |
| 13:07.37 | boudiccas | ChrisH: nope, cleared and working perfectly now thanks |
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| 13:08.08 | Benkinooby | koollman: sunyani, ghana http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sunyani |
| 13:09.01 | Benkinooby | ChrisH: koollman how can i use an early detection of failing connection via keepalive to my advantage? |
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| 13:09.50 | ChrisH | Benkinooby: It might be an idea to set an rsync transferlimit using --bwlimit=KBPS, just in case some router/firewall does not like that kind of file transfer. |
| 13:09.52 | larico | sw_, some people reported the bug |
| 13:10.00 | koollman | Benkinooby: well, ssh will fail, so rsync will fail, so your script will try a bit sooner to send data again. on the other hand, tcp does that already. this transfer will be long and slow, that's the nature of your connection. |
| 13:10.18 | larico | the bug affects me too, had to rollback to the previous release |
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| 13:11.47 | Benkinooby | ChrisH: tried that too (--bwlimit=0 is a left over from this idea)... although I like the irony of making a slow connection slower to make it faster XD |
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| 13:12.27 | LoonaTick | ChrisH: I got called away for a meeting, forgot to mention to you, sorry. I waited a couple of seconds for the atop output to refresh, but as I said the load changes |
| 13:12.40 | koollman | Benkinooby: that's the way network works. (if you fill the tube too quickly, it overflows and spills all over. I love that metaphor, so wrong and so right) |
| 13:12.40 | Benkinooby | ChrisH: koollman thank you two - now I can bear my fate with my mind resting |
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| 13:12.43 | LoonaTick | ChrisH: the load is now hihger, i'll make a new paste |
| 13:13.00 | ChrisH | Benkinooby: With NFS over WAN it worked in the past using rsize=1024 and wsize=1024 to make NFS trnasfers faster |
| 13:13.18 | LoonaTick | ChrisH: http://paste.debian.net/hidden/c940b07f/ |
| 13:13.34 | ChrisH | know NFS is something completely different... RPC vs. transfer over TCP |
| 13:13.48 | caf | depending on the nature of the connection, you might be able to tweak the TCP settings |
| 13:14.02 | Benkinooby | koollman: ChrisH if it would really be a firewall issue / router thing then the trouble would appear at a ceartin, fixed time after starting the rsync |
| 13:14.10 | Benkinooby | wouldn't it? |
| 13:14.15 | caf | eg if it just randomly drops packets, not due to congestion, then tcp vegas would probably work well |
| 13:14.36 | Benkinooby | unless the have evil monkey randomly pushing big red "STOP" buttons in the ISP central |
| 13:14.39 | koollman | Benkinooby: depends of many things. over a satellite transmission, packet loss is the first possibility for me, before router troubles |
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| 13:16.05 | cardamon | Got a pci wireless nic. Modules are already running, and got the firmware from non-free. Also grabbed wireless-tools and rfkill and restarted services network and networkmanager. ifup wlan0 still won't bring the interface up. |
| 13:16.15 | ChrisH | LoonaTick: the Disk is busy >80% with a limited number of read and write operations. Average IO time is OK with 6ms. To me this looks like a busy Raid Group with a potentially faulty Disk in. Not faulty enough that the disk already noticed it. |
| 13:17.38 | ChrisH | Benkinooby: it can also happen after a given amount of data.... but that is all guessing. Wait until it finished to fiddle around with the options we suggested to find out it something changes. |
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| 13:17.57 | koollman | LoonaTick: that's a monitoring server? are you having troubles on it, besides high load ? |
| 13:18.10 | Benkinooby | ChrisH: koollman ok, thank you |
| 13:18.49 | Benkinooby | Is there some kind of kudos system or someting? like "this guy is helpful" or "that solved my problem"? |
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| 13:20.41 | koollman | LoonaTick: my instinct is : if it's not broken, don't repair it. high load on that kind of server is common enough. you may want to increase a bit interval between checks. and maybe generate graphs on another disk array |
| 13:22.34 | koollman | LoonaTick: https://www.zabbix.com/documentation/1.8/manual/performance_tuning (and if that looks mostly like what you're doing already, next usual cause is graph generation, or mysql db) |
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| 13:23.27 | LoonaTick | koollman: The NFS is causing I/O load, I am trying to find out which box or which files the load is coming from |
| 13:24.19 | LoonaTick | ChrisH: Thanks. I will call dell support and check if they have any tricks to see what's going on |
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| 13:26.18 | ChrisH | LoonaTick: do you habe physical access to the system? It might be worth checking the DISK Activity LEDs |
| 13:26.34 | neon__ | I downloaded a webm video from youtube, and it is still not playing in constant speed. It seems to slow down and speed up. Only the image. the sound sound ok. |
| 13:27.17 | LoonaTick | ChrisH: It's in the datacenter, but I can send someone around. Allthough I think normal activity means the activity lights are always flickering. If a disk is (starting to) break down, what would the activity led do? |
| 13:27.40 | krisfremen | LoonaTick: bad sectors |
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| 13:28.13 | ChrisH | LoonaTick: I saw it that the LED stays on a bit longer. |
| 13:28.17 | LoonaTick | krisfremen: It's behind a raid controller, SMART says everything is ok |
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| 13:28.30 | LoonaTick | ChrisH: Thanks, I'll have someone check it |
| 13:28.50 | max999 | anyone knows why i get debian wheezy for lsb_release -a ? im on sid. |
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| 13:29.23 | cardamon | Got a pci wireless nic. Modules are already running, and got the firmware from non-free. Also grabbed wireless-tools (iwlist and the like) and rfkill and restarted services network and networkmanager. ifup wlan0 still won't bring the interface up. Running KDE and Network Manager. |
| 13:29.56 | max999 | cardamon, does iwconfig show the interface at all? |
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| 13:30.45 | cardamon | max999: Yup |
| 13:30.59 | cardamon | Shows it off. |
| 13:31.45 | cardamon | ifconfig does not show it. |
| 13:32.09 | cardamon | iwlist scan says wlan0 is down |
| 13:32.18 | ChrisH | cardamon: iwlist ethX scan <- any output? |
| 13:32.31 | max999 | cardamon, and whats the output if you do sudo ifconfig wlan0 up ? |
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| 13:32.50 | cardamon | ChrisH: Interface doesn't support scanning |
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| 13:33.13 | max999 | i cant use ifup on my wlan0 too. that should be fine. i can bring it up / down with ifconfig though |
| 13:33.15 | cardamon | max999: SIOCSIFFLAGS: No such file or directory |
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| 13:34.13 | ChrisH | cardamon: Pastebin to paste.debian.net ifconfig -a ; iwconfig -a to make it easier to talk about it... dmesg might be helpfull, too |
| 13:34.19 | cardamon | max999: AFAIK, lsb-release looks at a variable set somewher else. |
| 13:34.27 | cardamon | I forget where it is though |
| 13:34.48 | max999 | cardamon, try rfkill unblock all |
| 13:34.54 | cardamon | But since sid doesn't have an official release, it's not likely it was ever set. |
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| 13:35.53 | hell0world | I found a translation error in Aptitude. To where do I submit the fix? |
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| 13:36.31 | ksk | in a package description? in aptitudes manpage? in aptiude itself? |
| 13:36.38 | cardamon | ChrisH: iwconfig doesn't have an -a option |
| 13:36.40 | hell0world | In the help text. |
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| 13:36.50 | hell0world | aptitude -h |
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| 13:37.04 | max999 | cardamon, did you try rfkill unblock all? =) |
| 13:37.08 | cardamon | http://paste.debian.net/224555/ |
| 13:37.18 | cardamon | max999: Yes, followed by ifup. Nothing. |
| 13:37.38 | max999 | cardamon, try sudo ifconfig wlan0 up instead of ifup now |
| 13:38.37 | cardamon | ... |
| 13:38.42 | cardamon | I have an idea. |
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| 13:39.10 | cardamon | Predicated on the fact that I'm an idiot who grabbed firmware-realtek instead of firmware-ralink |
| 13:39.39 | SomeoneWeird | >___> |
| 13:39.42 | cardamon | ChrisH: At it was dmesg that convinced me of it. |
| 13:39.53 | cardamon | ...well there's your problem right there. |
| 13:40.05 | ChrisH | cardamon: ... :) therefore I asked for dmesg :) |
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| 13:40.24 | cardamon | And we're up. |
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| 13:40.34 | ChrisH | cool. |
| 13:40.43 | ChrisH | BTW, does it scan now? |
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| 13:43.30 | cardamon | Yeah, we're cool. |
| 13:43.46 | cardamon | It needed its firmware and I was mistaken in my belief that I had provided it. |
| 13:44.32 | cardamon | Okay, anyone know what nvidia driver I'm using? I don't see an /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
| 13:44.54 | cardamon | It's a fresh install of the KDE tasksel on Wheezy. |
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| 13:58.37 | mvt007geek | sorry.wrong room :D |
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| 14:04.22 | buscon | hi |
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| 14:04.32 | buscon | how is a good way to store ssh passwords? |
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| 14:06.24 | abrotman | you don't ? |
| 14:06.51 | abrotman | looks at his hat .. |
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| 14:07.12 | jimcooncat_ | I'd like to get virtualbox guest additions working in wheezy, but it errors out when I try to start the init.d entry. Any clues? |
| 14:07.38 | Benkinooby | buscon: you don't want to store ssh passwords |
| 14:07.48 | Benkinooby | buscon: why do you need to store them? |
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| 14:08.07 | buscon | Benkinooby, because I cannot remember them all :P |
| 14:08.14 | namoamitabuddha | I get stuck with iceweasel. |
| 14:08.19 | buscon | I mean, should I put them in a gpg file? |
| 14:08.32 | Benkinooby | buscon: use keys |
| 14:08.45 | buscon | ok, what is keys? |
| 14:08.51 | buscon | apt-cache search keys? |
| 14:08.58 | Benkinooby | buscon: buscon 'man ssh' yearch for AUTHENTICATION |
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| 14:09.30 | Benkinooby | buscon: you can search in the man file by typeing '/your_search_phrase' |
| 14:09.43 | Benkinooby | buscon: when you have open the manpage |
| 14:09.52 | buscon | ok, thx, I knew that ;) |
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| 14:10.06 | Benkinooby | buscon: use 'n' and 'N' to scroll the search results |
| 14:10.18 | Benkinooby | buscon: just saying ;) |
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| 14:10.35 | namoamitabuddha | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=695212 |
| 14:10.40 | namoamitabuddha | Oh, my! |
| 14:10.40 | coldiso | hi everyone - i am trying to use thunar as a file-manager (when needed). i have thunar starting as a daemon at start (fluxbox) however libreoffice seems to always use kde file manager. is there a way to change this behavior ? |
| 14:10.46 | Benkinooby | buscon: if you don't like the keys solution you might want to use a keyholder/keymanager |
| 14:10.56 | themill | dpkg: tell buscon about ssh keys |
| 14:11.00 | Benkinooby | buscon: in kde it is called "wallet" afaik |
| 14:11.23 | buscon | Benkinooby, ok, i'll look for smt like that in gnome |
| 14:11.25 | Benkinooby | buscon: these progs can store all kind of keys for you, not only ssh ... e.g. for thunderbird and what not |
| 14:11.26 | jimcooncat_ | buscon: deep reading on keys, excellent article by Daniel Robbins: http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/library/l-keyc/index.html |
| 14:12.18 | namoamitabuddha | Can I upgrade iceweasel to 18.0? |
| 14:12.31 | ChrisH | buscon: a gpg encrypted file is what I use for all user/pw combinations for any website. I use individual pwgen generated passwords for all of them. |
| 14:12.45 | themill | namoamitabuddha: which release of debian |
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| 14:12.52 | namoamitabuddha | themill: wheezy |
| 14:13.16 | themill | namoamitabuddha: sure, iceweasel 18 is in experimental and libnss* packages are in sid. |
| 14:13.26 | namoamitabuddha | themill: Yes. |
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| 14:13.31 | namoamitabuddha | Now it got stuck. |
| 14:13.40 | themill | "stuck", "it"? |
| 14:13.43 | namoamitabuddha | Error: Platform version '17.0.1' is not compatible with |
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| 14:14.00 | buscon | Benkinooby, jimcooncat, ChrisH, thank you all :) |
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| 14:14.48 | coldiso | anyone know how to change libreoffice default file-manager ? |
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| 14:15.26 | namoamitabuddha | Now I cannot run iceweasel, oops. |
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| 14:15.59 | themill | namoamitabuddha: can you provide us with the complete error message and some context for it? Use a pastebin if it's a few lines. |
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| 14:16.47 | jimcooncat_ | coldiso, love to help but I can't make sense of your question |
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| 14:17.06 | coldiso | jimcooncat_ the default file-manager appears to be KDE - how do you change that |
| 14:17.16 | coldiso | jimcooncat_ to something like thunar |
| 14:17.25 | namoamitabuddha | themill: http://paste2.org/p/2746698 |
| 14:17.46 | themill | namoamitabuddha: what's generating that message? where? |
| 14:17.51 | namoamitabuddha | themill: I've googled and found a similar issue: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=695212 |
| 14:18.00 | namoamitabuddha | themill: From stdout of iceweasel. |
| 14:18.49 | jimcooncat_ | coldiso: I'm guessing you want to replace Dolphin or Konquerer in KDE with Thunar? |
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| 14:20.01 | coldiso | jimcooncat_ i am running fluxbox and the only reason KDE got drug along is because of some application. should i remove Dolphin or Konquerer or is there a setting in defaults somewhere with a pointer for the default file-manager |
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| 14:20.28 | themill | namoamitabuddha: do you have xulrunner-18.0 installed? |
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| 14:20.42 | coldiso | jimcooncat_: i prefer vifm but that is not a option in a lot of applications |
| 14:21.21 | namoamitabuddha | dpkg-query: package 'xulrunner-18.0' is not installed |
| 14:21.45 | themill | namoamitabuddha: hmm.. how did you manage that? the iceweasel packages depend on that package |
| 14:22.23 | namoamitabuddha | themill: Following the way from http://mozilla.debian.net/ |
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| 14:22.54 | themill | that shouldn't install iceweasel without xulrunner-18 |
| 14:22.55 | Chelsea | Hi all, how/where can I tell xrdp to use a different WM ? /etc/xrdp/startwm sources Xsession, but I can't find it there either. |
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| 14:23.56 | sacredchao | I am trying to run this bash script here: http://paste.debian.net/224568/ and I am getting this bash error saying invalid option passed to bash: http://paste.debian.net/224569/ |
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| 14:24.03 | sacredchao | Is this script somehow Debian uncompatible? |
| 14:24.38 | sacredchao | For example, is this an error with the shebang at the top of the script, which is #!/bin/bash -x |
| 14:24.39 | themill | sacredchao: check the line endings on that file. |
| 14:24.46 | jimcooncat_ | coldiso: wish I could help you more but I'm not a KDE guy |
| 14:24.59 | namoamitabuddha | themill: That way but many days ago. I keep using this to upgrade iceweasel, but today when I tried that way, I found iceweasel wasn't upgraded, but it cannot run after upgrading something else, so let me read the log of aptitude and discover what's happened. |
| 14:25.33 | sacredchao | themill: How? I mean, it seems as if the lines end on the last character printed |
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| 14:26.01 | namoamitabuddha | [UPGRADE] icedove:i386 17.0-1 -> 17.0.2-1 |
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| 14:26.06 | themill | namoamitabuddha: can you pastebin the output of "apt-cache policy iceweasel xulrunnder-18.0 libnss3" for me? |
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| 14:26.33 | themill | sacredchao: the output of "file make_bootable2.sh" would be interesting to see |
| 14:26.33 | coldiso | jimcooncat_: understandable - neither am i not sure why libreoffice is forcing the use of that nonsense |
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| 14:26.52 | sacredchao | make_bootable2.sh: Bourne-Again shell script, ASCII text executable, with CRLF line terminators |
| 14:26.56 | ChrisH | sacredchao: rerun the script using bash -xv ./make_bootable2.sh /dev/mmcblk0p1 and pastebin the output, given vim make_bootable2.sh does not show ^M at the line ends |
| 14:27.24 | themill | dpkg: tell sacredchao about dos2unix |
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| 14:27.50 | themill | (you could probably fix this script with tr quite happily) |
| 14:27.56 | namoamitabuddha | themill: http://paste2.org/p/2746729 |
| 14:28.03 | bniels | "file" can detect LF vs. CRLF lineendings, too |
| 14:28.27 | namoamitabuddha | codepal: How's vifm? |
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| 14:29.24 | bniels | ah, themill already mentioned that. didn't see that |
| 14:29.37 | thoonai | hey what das console-kit-daemon is and why does Ive about 30 instances of it running? |
| 14:29.38 | themill | namoamitabuddha: yeah, you'll need libnss* from sid: "aptitude install -t experimental iceweasel libnss3/sid libnss3-1d/sid" |
| 14:29.42 | themill | dpkg: tell namoamitabuddha about tum |
| 14:30.07 | sacredchao | ChrisH: This is the output of the command you gave: http://pastebin.ca/2302014 |
| 14:30.18 | namoamitabuddha | themill: I wonder whether it's safe to upgrade that. |
| 14:30.51 | themill | namoamitabuddha: iceweasel from experimental certainly works fine in wheezy. I don't know if icedove would be a problem for you though. |
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| 14:31.25 | ChrisH | sacredchao: did you remove the ^M at the lineends? dos2unix was mentioned before |
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| 14:33.28 | namoamitabuddha | themill: But libnss3 will be the different version to wheezy even when wheezy comes to be stable. I'm afraid that upgrading has consequence issues. |
| 14:33.49 | namoamitabuddha | themill: I've mentioned that wheezy is now frozen |
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| 14:35.59 | sacredchao | themill, ChrisH: Thank you so much! I don't understand how this happened... the script was written by another GNU+Linux user and successfully tested on other people's installs, I just downloaded it from them |
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| 14:37.52 | themill | namoamitabuddha: I would expect the mozilla team to push a newer iceweasel and libnss into wheezy-backports when that becomes available. |
| 14:38.16 | themill | sacredchao: if you copied it around by ftp in "ascii" or "text" mode, then the line endings will get changed |
| 14:38.18 | namoamitabuddha | themill: Thanks, I see. |
| 14:38.33 | bniels | sacredchao, maybe the "just downloaded" part is how it happened. depending on how you downloaded it. git has some options to fiddle around with line endings, zip and winscp, too |
| 14:38.59 | themill | namoamitabuddha: but yeah, you're right in considering how to maintain a wheezy/sid mix once wheezy goes stable. |
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| 14:40.15 | sacredchao | I downloaded it from this Google Groups page: https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups=#!topic/ml-devel/EWHU5ukyMt4 |
| 14:40.16 | namoamitabuddha | themill: Since I've upgraded to wheezy for sometime, I forgot something would be called wheezy-backports until you've mentioned. |
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| 14:41.11 | beliveyourdream | how can i make ssh stop asking for my passphase ? |
| 14:41.12 | ronny2 | hi |
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| 14:41.36 | themill | beliveyourdream: with an ssh-agent |
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| 14:42.13 | Benkinooby | i beliveyourdream http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/library/l-keyc2/ |
| 14:42.15 | ronny2 | im having trouble with installing libwine-cms on testing- it seems it depends via ia32-libs on libnss3-1d:i386, which isnt provided - anyone got an idea how to solve |
| 14:42.22 | bniels | sacredchao, well, it has CRLF line endings when i download it from there |
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| 14:42.38 | sebas-89 | Hi, |
| 14:42.41 | sebas-89 | Mi Debian 6 never can't reboot, but can turn off it |
| 14:42.44 | sebas-89 | any thought? |
| 14:43.15 | Benkinooby | beliveyourdream: here is part1 http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/library/l-keyc/index.html |
| 14:43.16 | ChrisH | dpkg: tell ronny2 about ia32-libs |
| 14:43.43 | Benkinooby | sebas-89: hä? |
| 14:44.00 | ChrisH | sebas-89: define "never can't reboot"? you execute reboot or init 6 and it says: Go away? |
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| 14:44.47 | ronny2 | ChrisH, im kind of aware on that, but the wine stuff seems to depend on it :( |
| 14:44.50 | sacredchao | bniels: Me too, although it's strange because Mac OS X and GNU+Linux don't use CRLF by default which are the OSes this script will run on |
| 14:45.12 | bniels | sacredchao, the other file, too. but C doesn't care that much about the line endings. so it's it either google's or the uploader's fault |
| 14:45.34 | namoamitabuddha | themill: By the way, should I create a new file in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/ instead of directly editing /etc/apt.conf as dpkg suggests? |
| 14:45.34 | sacredchao | bniels: I was able to compile the .c file with gcc with no issues |
| 14:45.50 | themill | namoamitabuddha: either is fine |
| 14:45.51 | sacredchao | I guess gcc is unaffected by (or can support reading correctly) CRLF endings |
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| 14:46.11 | ronny2 | ChrisH, so right now wine bits seems to depend on the old packages, which wont install anymore |
| 14:46.26 | bniels | sacredchao, yes. it's just whitespace to C |
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| 14:46.50 | ChrisH | ronny2: IIRC last time I installed wine was on unstable and there it worked the multiarch way |
| 14:46.52 | sebas-89 | ChrisH: I attempt reboot from gnome-panel or with 'sudo reboot' on bash and seems do it, debian goes to the tty1, but then reload GDM3 |
| 14:46.55 | sebas-89 | understand me? |
| 14:47.24 | ChrisH | sebas-89: then next test would be: reboot/init 6 from tty1 as root |
| 14:47.44 | Danic | Hi. I am trying to grep all style tags from a html-file (to remove them in a later step). My command is >grep 'style=".*?" myfile.html'< But I don't get any results, however this is performing well at rubular.com. Any ideas? |
| 14:48.04 | sacredchao | Well, now that I can run the scripts, turns out that I can't mount the exFAT filesystem at all, even though the scripts look like the exit gracefully :-( |
| 14:49.12 | sebas-89 | ChrisH: I write "reboot/init 6" in tty1 as root? |
| 14:49.14 | ChrisH | Danic: grep does not know about regexp... use egrep -e ".." |
| 14:49.21 | bniels | sacredchao, package exfat-fuse should give you the ability to mount exfat filesystems, i guess |
| 14:49.29 | ChrisH | sebas-89: yes... but only one of them :) |
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| 14:49.55 | sebas-89 | but "sudo reboot" or "reboot" us root is not the same? |
| 14:50.01 | sebas-89 | *as |
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| 14:51.42 | sacredchao | bniels: I am using this package already and I can read/write to exFAT with no issues. After I run the script to make the exFAT filesystem bootable however, the filesystem becomes umountable |
| 14:51.49 | ChrisH | reboot and init 6 as root are expected to reboot the system. no sudo needed and I did not suggest to use sudo at all. |
| 14:52.03 | sacredchao | even though after running dos2unix on the scripts make them execute without apparent errors anymore |
| 14:52.10 | ronny2 | ah damn, now i cant uninstall wine bts anymore du to broken install |
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| 14:52.45 | Danic | ChrisH, that works. But it's greedy even though my expression is '.*?'. |
| 14:53.20 | bniels | sacredchao, actually, i haven't read the script at all. so its purpose is to make the volume bootable? |
| 14:53.37 | sebas-89 | ChrisH: ok, i'll try. |
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| 14:53.56 | ronny2 | how do i get rid of packages that try to override files of other packages on install again |
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| 14:54.20 | sacredchao | bniels: Yes, that's all it is supposed to do. The exact way to make an exFAT fs bootable is detailed here: http://magiclantern.wikia.com/wiki/Bootdisk |
| 14:54.28 | ronny2 | i get http://bpaste.net/show/deDfxfE2XcZUMejZ3cQ0/ |
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| 14:55.18 | ronny2 | how do i fix my system? |
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| 14:56.36 | sacredchao | After running the script however, I cannot mount the FS with error "invalid VBR checksum 0xf801ffff (expected 0xa1216ac1)" |
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| 14:57.29 | bniels | sacredchao, well, that looks like the c program is not doing its job correctly. but maybe we should move it somewhere else. it's off topic |
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| 14:58.27 | ronny2 | i dont even have an idea what to google for, its just that apt-get install -f fails, and apt-get remove refuses to remove them |
| 14:59.10 | ChrisH | ronny2: tried dpkg ? |
| 14:59.18 | maciejjo | Hi, I have serious problem with my debian install, root partition seems to be destroyed |
| 14:59.26 | ronny2 | ChrisH, not sure what to pass to it tho |
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| 14:59.55 | themill | you probably need to dpkg -r the packages you don't want |
| 15:00.16 | maciejjo | but I have home and var on other disks, is it possible to reinstall with using them as new home and var? |
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| 15:00.54 | wols | maciejjo: depends what kinds of programs use your /var, but generally: yes |
| 15:00.57 | ChrisH | ronny2: libwine-unstable wine-bin-unstable libwine-bin-unstable the ones from lines 37-39 |
| 15:01.06 | ronny2 | k, mom |
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| 15:01.25 | Benkinooby | ChrisH: koollman seems like the limitationd really did the trick - or the connection si good right now (remebmer: server in ghana problem, rsync) - anyway, knocking on wood ... http://imagebin.org/242858 |
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| 15:01.39 | wols | ,versions wine |
| 15:01.40 | judd | Package: wine on i386 -- lenny: 1.0.1-1; squeeze: 1.0.1-3.1; sid: 1.4.1-4; wheezy: 1.4.1-4 |
| 15:01.50 | Benkinooby | ChrisH: koollman probably, i didn't limit the speed not enghough the first time... |
| 15:01.54 | ronny2 | ChrisH, themill seems like stuff is fine again |
| 15:02.12 | ChrisH | maciejjo: do you mean without losing data or without repartining but creating a new filesystem |
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| 15:04.07 | jhutchins | maciejjo: Always best to have a backup of what you want to keep. |
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| 15:04.48 | ronny2 | ok, aptitude shows me why things broke so bad |
| 15:05.12 | ChrisH | jhutchins: haveing a backup is allways needed. |
| 15:05.31 | ronny2 | libwine-cms-unstable has a libnss dependency which will kill my system and uninstall most desktop apps if executed |
| 15:05.45 | ronny2 | lucky |
| 15:05.54 | ronny2 | the :i286 installed without messing |
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| 15:07.53 | sebas-89 | ChrisH: hey buddy, i tried both commands and doesn't work. |
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| 15:08.27 | ChrisH | !does not work |
| 15:08.27 | dpkg | "Doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message?". Ask me about <smart questions>, <sicco> and <errors>. |
| 15:08.44 | sebas-89 | okok |
| 15:08.46 | maciejjo | so can I install debian with using existing partitons as home and var? |
| 15:08.49 | sebas-89 | whatever |
| 15:09.04 | maciejjo | they are in raid1 array on lvm |
| 15:09.24 | ChrisH | sebas-89: a goot approach would to to pastebin what happened after you executed the reboot command |
| 15:10.33 | ChrisH | maciejjo: then they are logical volumes no partitions. But that should work, too. |
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| 15:11.55 | maciejjo | will debian install not replace the files on these volumes? |
| 15:12.00 | sebas-89 | ChrisH: How would can do it? |
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| 15:12.43 | sebas-89 | I expect to this is a driver problem. |
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| 15:13.53 | ChrisH | sebas-89: Do you know how to pastebin something to paste.debian.net ? |
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| 15:15.26 | sebas-89 | ChrisH: Yes, i mean who file? |
| 15:15.31 | sebas-89 | who log? |
| 15:15.36 | sebas-89 | *which |
| 15:15.38 | sebas-89 | sorry |
| 15:15.47 | wols | maciejjo: you won't have them mounted while you install debain. that will come afterwards |
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| 15:18.47 | ChrisH | sebas-89: You are able to pastebin. Second question does anything happen after you run the reboot command? |
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| 15:24.49 | _|Nix|_ | Hi! Is there a debian package that provides a version of netcat which includes the -k switch? AIUI that switch causes netcat to behave like a server, in that it keeps accepting connections even after the first accepted connection ends. |
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| 15:25.12 | evilt0ne_ | testtesttest |
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| 15:26.35 | _|Nix|_ | How do I check what alternatives there are for a given command? |
| 15:26.35 | sebas-89 | ChrisH: After of that, my session is closed and then of tty prints something commands, my display shows a lot of white points. like an error of graphic driver, and then reload GDM3. |
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| 15:27.39 | ChrisH | sebas-89: OK. what is the output of command: uptime now? |
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| 15:28.16 | ChrisH | sebas-89: the command is uptime |
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| 15:28.46 | ChrisH | sebas-89: now should only indicate it should be execute after you are logged in again.... just to avoid confusion. |
| 15:28.56 | jhutchins | ChrisH: uptime now should return usage info (now is not a valid option). |
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| 15:30.05 | Aktau | Hey folks :) |
| 15:30.22 | Aktau | Got a question. When I start up my pc with my monitor plugged in, everything is fine |
| 15:30.37 | Aktau | But when I start up with another one and then I switch them on the fly, it goes wrong |
| 15:30.47 | Aktau | Basically it doesn't detect all the resolutions the monitor has |
| 15:31.01 | Aktau | Is there some way I could "force" the kernel to re-evaluate the monitor? |
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| 15:33.20 | _|Nix|_ | OK. So, it looks like I need to install ncat. |
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| 15:36.25 | sebas-89 | Chrish: The output the most weird to says for me is in te finish: "Loading new kernel", then appear that white points and reload GDM3. |
| 15:36.48 | sebas-89 | ChrisH: The output the most weird to says for me is in te finish: "Loading new kernel", then appear that white points and reload GDM3. |
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| 15:39.33 | ChrisH | sebas-89: Why do you not simply do what I ask for? what is the output of: uptime |
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| 15:41.36 | sebas-89 | ChrisH: http://paste.debian.net/224592/ |
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| 15:43.59 | ChrisH | sebas-89: your system rebooted 38min ago.. does that matches the last time you executed reboot? Next test: reboot from Gnome panel and login again an run "uptime" again. |
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| 15:45.08 | sebas-89 | ChrisH: Yes, i'll do. |
| 15:45.12 | cardamon | I'm hunting for libGL.so.1 and libmss.so.6 in i386 packages (I'm running multiarch) and not the nvidia-glx ones...I'm using nouveau |
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| 15:45.51 | Pegasus_RPG | Hello. Who is the asterisk package maintainer? I jsut updated to the latest stable security update and now it crashes whenever it tries to open any SIP channels! |
| 15:46.02 | Pegasus_RPG | THat is, it segfaults |
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| 15:47.03 | jhutchins | ,versions asterisk |
| 15:47.04 | judd | Package: asterisk on i386 -- lenny: 1:1.4.21.2~dfsg-3+lenny6; lenny-security: 1:1.4.21.2~dfsg-3+lenny6; lenny-backports: 1:1.6.2.9-1~bpo50+3; squeeze: 1:1.6.2.9-2+squeeze6; squeeze-proposed-updates: 1:1.6.2.9-2+squeeze6; squeeze-security: 1:1.6.2.9-2+squeeze6; squeeze-proposed-updates: 1:1.6.2.9-2+squeeze8; squeeze-security: 1:1.6.2.9-2+squeeze9; squeeze-backports: 1:1.8.13.1~dfsg-1~bpo60+1; |
| 15:47.05 | judd | sid: 1:1.8.13.1~dfsg-1; wheezy: 1:1.8.13.1~dfsg-1 |
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| 15:47.32 | jhutchins | Pegasus_RPG: Any clues in the logs? |
| 15:47.58 | Pegasus_RPG | jhutchins: no. It just drops off the face of the earth |
| 15:48.02 | Pegasus_RPG | I can give you a backtrace though |
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| 15:48.18 | jhutchins | Pegasus_RPG: Not a coder, won't mean anything to me. |
| 15:48.46 | jhutchins | Pegasus_RPG: Can you tell what it's trying to do when it dies? |
| 15:48.46 | Pegasus_RPG | I'm on Squeeze AMD64 FWIW |
| 15:49.50 | blubberdiblub | sacredchao, still there? |
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| 15:50.20 | Pegasus_RPG | jhutchins: not precisely |
| 15:50.32 | Pegasus_RPG | It dies when I try to call in to the voice mail, for example |
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| 15:51.52 | cardamon | Actually, I don't need libmss.so.6 just libGL.so.1 |
| 15:52.18 | cardamon | er libGLU.so.1 |
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| 15:52.47 | Pegasus_RPG | jhutchins: it /may/ be a permissions issue because when I run it interactively, I see tons of 'MOH: exec failed: Permission denied' |
| 15:52.50 | Pegasus_RPG | but it was fine before the update |
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| 15:52.59 | cardamon | Ah, think I found it. |
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| 15:53.42 | sebas-89 | ChrisH: http://paste.debian.net/224593/ |
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| 15:54.05 | sebas-89 | but really doesn not reboot, i am sure |
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| 15:54.54 | Pegasus_RPG | jhutchins: #asterisk just told me they don't even support this version anymore even for security |
| 15:55.05 | Pegasus_RPG | I guess that means I must dist-upgrade to Wheezy |
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| 15:55.36 | Pegasus_RPG | jhutchins: but for the time being, how can I roll back the package? |
| 15:55.44 | Sevet | pegasus: running it interactively it's running as your user... the permission errors are probably only seen by you, not asterisk in the background |
| 15:55.45 | Pegasus_RPG | (this is a production PBS) |
| 15:55.46 | Pegasus_RPG | PBX |
| 15:55.58 | ChrisH | sebas-89: if uptime shows 1min up it DOES reboot. |
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| 15:56.13 | sebas-89 | ChrisH: not |
| 15:56.19 | Pegasus_RPG | Sevet: oh good point |
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| 15:57.16 | sebas-89 | ChrisH: i should take a photo from display for you look the error |
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| 15:58.25 | ChrisH | sebas-89: yes... uptime gets only zero'ed on boot |
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| 15:59.33 | sebas-89 | ChrisH: whatever,... GRUB never appears, because does not reboot |
| 15:59.38 | sebas-89 | or unless normally |
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| 15:59.49 | buscon | how can I limit the speed of ssh/scp? |
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| 15:59.51 | sebas-89 | and i can not access to windows |
| 15:59.55 | buscon | I remember there is a way... |
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| 16:00.54 | sebas-89 | ChrisH: understand me or my english is embarrassment? |
| 16:01.02 | Sevet | buscon: scp's -l option |
| 16:01.07 | canvon | buscon: man scp says: -l limit Limits the used bandwidth, specified in Kbit/s. |
| 16:01.19 | buscon | cool, thx |
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| 16:02.46 | canvon | Pegasus_RPG: 16:55:36 < Pegasus_RPG> jhutchins: but for the time being, how can I roll back the package? <- Perhaps a "dpkg -i OLD_PACKAGE.deb" suffices? If the previous .deb is still in /var/cache/apt/archives/ |
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| 16:04.22 | ChrisH | sebas-89: I understand that you are missing the grub screen after executing reboot. But the system does reboot as the uptime gets reseted, maybe it crashed during shutdown.... Leading me to: does a poweroff work? |
| 16:04.27 | canvon | Pegasus_RPG: If it's not, it could be on snapshot.debian.org |
| 16:05.25 | sacredchao | blubberdiblub: Yes. I fixed my problem |
| 16:05.25 | Sevet | Pegasus_RPG: you can select older versions in aptitude |
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| 16:05.44 | netrick | I have a fresh vps on debian 6 and after "update and upgrade" my top says that almost all ram is used even though only few % is used.... http://pastebin.com/dAKjXe3R could you tell me what causes that memory usage? |
| 16:06.21 | netrick | it says 236/260mb are usedm and from process list it seems onyl few % are used |
| 16:06.25 | Sevet | netrick: unused ram is used for caching disk etc |
| 16:06.25 | netrick | i didn't run any programm |
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| 16:06.50 | Armand | netrick, 203776k cached |
| 16:06.51 | netrick | So it is normal behaviour and when I launch any app it will get the ram? |
| 16:06.54 | ChrisH | netrick: 203776k cached means most RAM is used for caching.... You payed for that RAM so it get used. :) |
| 16:06.59 | Armand | ;) |
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| 16:07.09 | netrick | thanks :) |
| 16:07.45 | Sevet | it's also incorrect you haven't run any programs |
| 16:08.02 | Sevet | you have a bunch of stuff that runs in the background on startup, eg you have the apache web server running |
| 16:08.07 | netrick | i mean, only default stuff runs |
| 16:08.31 | Sevet | :) |
| 16:09.00 | netrick | one more question - how can I change timezone on debian vps? I've only used debian on desktop so far and I have no experience on vps |
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| 16:09.36 | jimcooncat_ | I should know this, but how do I find out what display manager is installed (like gdm, slim, xdm) |
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| 16:10.08 | jimcooncat_ | oh never mind, I found it in init.d |
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| 16:11.20 | blubberdiblub | netrick, dpkg-reconfigure tzdata |
| 16:11.41 | netrick | thanks |
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| 16:13.22 | netrick | and the last one - my vps got apache pre installed but I need that vps for a game server, how can I disable apache that it doesn't launch after reboot? I can use session settings on lxde but no idea on ssh |
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| 16:13.52 | Pegasus_RPG | jhutchins: FWIW, I'm currently using 1.6.2.9-2+squeeze9. The last one I had was 1.6.2.9-2+squeeze6 |
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| 16:14.38 | ksk | netrick: how about unstinalling apache if you dont need it? "aptitude remove $package" |
| 16:15.20 | netrick | That's an idea, but I want to keep it just in case if I decide to have a small website in the future (because the apache is configured now and it works). |
| 16:15.28 | netrick | so I want just to disable it |
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| 16:16.07 | Pegasus_RPG | jhutchins: downgrading was successful |
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| 16:18.54 | Pegasus_RPG | I guess I should file a bug then huh? |
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| 16:21.54 | zykotic10 | !tell netrick about rcconf |
| 16:22.33 | netrick | I see, thank you |
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| 16:24.23 | sebas-89 | ChrisH: hey, thanks anyway. |
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| 16:31.04 | cardamon | Trying to make an xorg.conf |
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| 16:31.23 | cardamon | Keep getting an error with Xorg -configure |
| 16:31.36 | dorp | I have a USB stick as a "live cd" of Debian 6.0.3-standard. I'm mounting it, and `mount` reports "(rw)"... yet when I try to mkdir a directory it reports: "Read-only file system" - is there something obvious that I'm missing? |
| 16:31.38 | cardamon | "Number of created screens does not match number of detected devices" |
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| 16:35.26 | neon__ | I can't instal vlc on wheezy |
| 16:36.00 | neon__ | probably because of some f*up at dmm |
| 16:36.50 | skamikaze | fondles his crystal ball |
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| 16:37.01 | skamikaze | neon__: what's the error, what did you try,.. |
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| 16:37.13 | Armand | refuses to fondle skamikaze's ball... |
| 16:37.31 | neon__ | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:37.47 | engla | yup, it's deb-m |
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| 16:38.53 | neon__ | in synaptic it just becomes red when I mark it |
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| 16:40.31 | engla | you can try to use aptitude to resolve it for you |
| 16:40.38 | quebre | hi |
| 16:40.54 | quebre | after latest upgrade i have now debian 7.0 but still have deb ftp://ftp.de.debian.org/pub/debian/ testing main contrib non-free |
| 16:40.59 | quebre | should i change it ? |
| 16:41.19 | engla | dorp: is there a ro/rw switch on the usb key? |
| 16:41.54 | dorp | engla: Not that I'm aware of. (I never seen such a switch on USB sticks) |
| 16:42.02 | engla | ok, I've seen it |
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| 16:42.25 | dorp | engla: It reports to be "iso9660" ... "Hidden HPFS/NTFS" |
| 16:42.26 | engla | don't remember how it show up in linux but the still will be read-only at least |
| 16:42.59 | mtn | quebre, do you want to stay with testing once wheezy has gone stable? |
| 16:43.10 | quebre | mtn: yes |
| 16:43.11 | engla | dorp: so the live system might only have a small part of the filesystem set aside for rw data |
| 16:43.24 | mtn | quebre, then you would leave it the way you have it now |
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| 16:43.39 | engla | it's better you have it as wheezy and change when you choose |
| 16:43.41 | quebre | mtn: and if i want to stick with wheezy and not testing anymore ? |
| 16:43.55 | mtn | quebre, change to wheezy, of course |
| 16:44.13 | quebre | ok |
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| 16:44.48 | dcherniv | dorp, yep filesystem is iso9660 which is read only by design |
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| 16:45.33 | dorp | dcherniv: I see. Is it mandatory for the USB stick "live" environment? |
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| 16:46.19 | grzeslaw_ | hello guys.. |
| 16:46.34 | engla | most live systems use some kind of combination of read-only filesystems |
| 16:46.40 | engla | like squashfs etc |
| 16:46.57 | grzeslaw_ | does anybody know.. how itis possible that machine is useing swap space, where there is about 200mb memory free? |
| 16:47.19 | dorp | engla: But is it required? Is there a rw filesystem I can convert it to? |
| 16:47.22 | _martin | hi, I compiled an special version of mysql on my nas. Now I want to share my compiled mysql version to other user. How can I put this binaries into a .deb file? |
| 16:47.29 | geggam | yes grzeslaw_ |
| 16:47.36 | engla | grzeslaw_: it's the kernel's choice and it can make sense to swap out stuff that's untouched |
| 16:47.37 | geggam | linux will put idle processes in swap |
| 16:47.37 | ChrisH | grzeslaw_: Maybe in the past some memory shortags was visible |
| 16:47.38 | quebre | i'm getting this: "configure: error: X 32-bit development files not found." BUT i have 'ia32-libs' and 'ia32-libs-i386' installed, so what i'm doing wrong ? |
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| 16:48.12 | engla | dorp: it's possible to create a persistent live usb stick that you can update etc yeah |
| 16:48.30 | cardamon | Xorg -configure fails everytime. Says number of created screens don't match detected devices |
| 16:48.38 | dorp | engla: Any suggestion for a filesystem? ext3 should work? |
| 16:48.48 | cardamon | quebre: use multiarch instead of ia32-libs |
| 16:48.54 | engla | I think ext4 would be fine |
| 16:49.23 | dorp | engla: Okay, thanks, I'll give it a try |
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| 16:49.44 | engla | cardamon: ia32-libs-i386 is the multiarch transitional package already |
| 16:49.55 | quebre | hmm |
| 16:49.59 | quebre | so what can i do ? |
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| 16:50.15 | cardamon | dpkg: tell engla about multiarch |
| 16:50.31 | engla | cardamon: look up ia32-libs-i386 in the package archive |
| 16:50.34 | awc777 | is it possible to point a subdomain at another server, and handle DNS for any sub-sub domain of that subdomain at that server? |
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| 16:51.07 | engla | cardamon: no more ia32-libs you say.. did you miss the new transitional package called ia32-libs-i386? |
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| 16:51.28 | quebre | when i try to install ia32-libs-dev it says "Package ia32-libs-dev is not available, but is referred to by another package. However the following packages replace it: lib32z1-dev lib32bz2-dev" |
| 16:51.31 | engla | quebre: anyway, those libs packages don't have development files |
| 16:51.47 | engla | quebre: find the specific package needed and install it |
| 16:52.12 | quebre | so why is wine ./configure script complaining "error: X 32-bit development files not found." if i already have these ia32-libs packages installed.... |
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| 16:52.49 | engla | quebre: because they are libraries, not development files |
| 16:53.47 | quebre | but you said these ia32libs don't have devel files... argh ;( |
| 16:53.50 | Sm0kEz__ | is back (work) Duration: 7hrs 37mins 39secs |
| 16:54.27 | engla | quebre: right, that package doesn't have development files |
| 16:55.09 | quebre | so i must have missing other packages.. right? |
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| 16:55.57 | quebre | from the config.log i see this error: |
| 16:55.58 | quebre | /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lX11 |
| 16:56.08 | grzeslaw_ | engla: ChrisH: thanks for repling, I will try to investigate it |
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| 16:57.36 | neon__ | aptitude resolved it after 5 runs of it |
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| 16:58.36 | quebre | so where can i find X11 ? :p |
| 16:59.23 | quebre | libx11-dev is already the newest version. |
| 16:59.27 | quebre | ... |
| 16:59.46 | neon__ | I have this phenomena of non constant temporal flow in the video domain. In this film at around 57:00 you can see it, a woman walks and she looks like pausing walking pausing walking http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZJ9DDkDKxDA |
| 16:59.50 | neon__ | do you see it too? |
| 17:00.17 | ChrisH | grzeslaw_: I would not invest any time, unless the system is reacting strange. Kernel sometimes pages out or even swaps out an unused process. Thats what swap space is there fore. |
| 17:01.07 | zykotic10 | cardamon: does "X -configure :1" give any different results? i doubt it will. |
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| 17:02.15 | cardamon | Nope. |
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| 17:02.57 | cardamon | http://paste.debian.net/224602/ My /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
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| 17:05.14 | zykotic10 | cardamon: does X work? why are you creating an xorg.conf (with nouveau)? |
| 17:05.53 | cardamon | zykotic10: Trying to get dri working, but I think it's turning out that the support's just not htere rfor my device. |
| 17:06.07 | zykotic10 | cardamon: are you on squeeze? |
| 17:06.39 | cardamon | No, wheezy. |
| 17:06.45 | grzeslaw_ | ChrisH: okey thx l;] |
| 17:07.22 | zykotic10 | cardamon: ok. i never got it to work on squeeze. i was successful on wheezy. well, best of luck - i've got nothin'. |
| 17:07.25 | cardamon | zykotic10: #nouveau thinks I need kernel >=3.8-rc3 |
| 17:07.55 | cardamon | What's the kernel in sid at the moment? |
| 17:08.08 | engla | should still be 3.2 |
| 17:08.12 | Hans_Henrik | putting * soft nofile 70000* hard nofile 70000 in /etc/security/limits.conf , ulimit still says open files (-n) 1024 |
| 17:08.16 | zykotic10 | cardamon: perhaps that's card dependend then? it worked for me without changing the default wheezy kernel in anyway... |
| 17:08.23 | Hans_Henrik | how can i increase this limit? |
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| 17:09.30 | berarma | cardamon: aren't you using nouveau from Debian? |
| 17:09.36 | cardamon | berarma: yes. |
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| 17:10.20 | berarma | and the problem is? |
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| 17:11.22 | cardamon | no DRI |
| 17:11.29 | berarma | do you expect 3D acceleration? |
| 17:11.31 | cardamon | no accel either |
| 17:11.40 | cardamon | I'd -like- it if I could get it. |
| 17:12.12 | berarma | I think that's a very new experimental feature not in Debian yet |
| 17:12.30 | berarma | if you need 3D you should use the propietary driver |
| 17:12.32 | pythonsnake | how do i check for open/used ports? |
| 17:12.38 | pythonsnake | available* |
| 17:12.45 | berarma | pythonsnake: locally? |
| 17:12.54 | pythonsnake | yes |
| 17:13.05 | berarma | pythonsnake: I'd use lsof |
| 17:13.37 | cardamon | nmap can do it. |
| 17:14.29 | pythonsnake | for a range ? |
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| 17:15.07 | BadCodSmell | Does debian have something I can install to add a choose alternatives target to update-alternatives? |
| 17:15.47 | berarma | pythonsnake: lsof can list locally used sockets and nmap can do a port scan |
| 17:16.06 | BadCodSmell | For example, I like vim, other guy likes nano, he sets up the systems to use nano for everything which is highly inconvenient. I want when I do things like crontab -e I am asked whether I want vim, nano, etc, everytime. |
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| 17:16.39 | pythonsnake | pmo: i wanna check if a range of port is open |
| 17:17.36 | jhutchins | Oracle's got a patch out for Java. |
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| 17:18.02 | MrFrood | BadCodSmell: not sure what you are talking about but is galternatives what you are after? |
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| 17:19.04 | pythonsnake | berarma: * |
| 17:19.12 | pythonsnake | berarma: i wanna check if a range of port is open |
| 17:19.18 | pythonsnake | ports in that range |
| 17:19.21 | MrFrood | BadCodSmell: or are you talking about per users thing? |
| 17:19.34 | BadCodSmell | No |
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| 17:20.00 | BadCodSmell | I am talking about when you to update-alternatives I want one of them to be prompt or ask |
| 17:20.22 | BadCodSmell | That might be per user |
| 17:20.39 | MrFrood | BadCodSmell: if per user try setting $EDITOR and $VISUAL in your shells rc file |
| 17:21.12 | BadCodSmell | Is it not possible just to have update-alternatives ask? |
| 17:21.29 | BadCodSmell | This seems like an obvious feature |
| 17:21.41 | MrFrood | update-alternatives is system wide |
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| 17:22.10 | BadCodSmell | Fine with me |
| 17:22.11 | berarma | pythonsnake: try "lsof -i" for a list of used ports |
| 17:22.15 | BadCodSmell | How can I make it prompt? |
| 17:22.24 | BadCodSmell | Does this obvious feature just not exist? |
| 17:22.25 | berarma | pythonsnake: but the way you're asking it seems you want to use nmap |
| 17:22.46 | MrFrood | but if you set up your shells rc file properly you can override with exported vars |
| 17:23.07 | berarma | BadCodSmell: alternatives aren't only used in the interactive console |
| 17:23.27 | pythonsnake | berarma: doesnt list ports :( |
| 17:23.39 | BadCodSmell | Then it shouldn't add the options for those things |
| 17:23.41 | BadCodSmell | or not care |
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| 17:24.29 | MrFrood | BadCodSmell: it sets the defaults, override them with a properly configured bashrc |
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| 17:25.25 | themill | BadCodSmell: what do you mean by "have update-alternatives ask"? |
| 17:25.34 | BadCodSmell | I mean something like |
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| 17:26.41 | BadCodSmell | I could make an sh script. This sh script wouldbe installed as a possible alternative, it would then call list or whatever to choose the diaglog of options again but when you choose one rather than set it as the default just run it passing along the usual args |
| 17:27.16 | berarma | BadCodSmell: you could use bash alias |
| 17:27.27 | BadCodSmell | For what? |
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| 17:27.32 | BadCodSmell | I don't think you are listening. |
| 17:27.33 | DelphiWorld | Hi debianists |
| 17:27.36 | MrFrood | BadCodSmell: that's what exported vars such as EDITOR and VISUAL do |
| 17:27.44 | berarma | for your scripts |
| 17:27.45 | DelphiWorld | anyone can recomand any commandline recording program ? |
| 17:27.46 | BadCodSmell | I want this feature or nothing, I am asking if it exists. |
| 17:27.53 | BadCodSmell | No it isn't. |
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| 17:28.19 | BadCodSmell | I want it to ask every time and have a dialog with a menu I can very easily choose what I want with |
| 17:28.39 | berarma | I don't think that exists |
| 17:28.42 | BadCodSmell | I'm already exporting 50000 things every time I want to maintain the machine as root and start a new session |
| 17:28.46 | themill | you want it to ask every time you run an editor which editor to use? |
| 17:28.53 | BadCodSmell | yes |
| 17:28.58 | themill | and you wonder why no-one has thought to implement that... |
| 17:29.12 | MrFrood | BadCodSmell: "export EDIOR=/path/to/your/script" |
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| 17:29.23 | BadCodSmell | It works fine in windows. |
| 17:29.34 | BadCodSmell | No reason it can't in debian |
| 17:29.40 | themill | no, it's one of the most annoying features of windows |
| 17:29.43 | zykotic10 | what is VISUAL exactly (in the same context of EDITOR)? it doesn't appear to have an update-alternatives entry. |
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| 17:30.09 | berarma | BadCodSmell: windows does this in the console? |
| 17:30.31 | themill | zykotic10: they're not alternatives, they're environment variables. environ(7) lists commonly used ones |
| 17:30.39 | cardamon | I removed xserver-xorg-nouveau, and now I think everything in task-kde-desktop is popping up in autoremove |
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| 17:30.57 | berarma | cardamon: why do you want to remove it? |
| 17:30.59 | MrFrood | zykotic10: historicall EDITOR was a line editor such as ed or ex and VISUAL an editor that used a VDU screen |
| 17:31.20 | cardamon | berarma: Because I'm switching over to nvidia |
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| 17:31.37 | berarma | cardamon: I'd let it in |
| 17:31.47 | zykotic10 | themill: MrFrood thanks to you both. |
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| 17:33.04 | cardamon | what? |
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| 17:33.11 | zykotic10 | cardamon: removing xserver-xorg-nouveau should be required. it's a part of the xserver-xorg-all metapackage, which in turn is part of xorg package... |
| 17:33.22 | zykotic10 | cardamon: s/should/should NOT/ |
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| 17:33.54 | cardamon | zykotic10: Too late, apprently I broke it. |
| 17:34.10 | berarma | cardamon: removing it won't help you |
| 17:34.10 | zykotic10 | cardamon: just add it back? |
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| 17:34.42 | peterrooney | BadCodSmell: what you're talking about is not a feature missing from debian, but a ...ummm... "feature?" missing from visudo and crontab. |
| 17:34.57 | cardamon | I can't. Xorg is down, and I can't bring up wlan0 without Network manager |
| 17:35.21 | berarma | cardamon: nouveau is the driver that will be tried in case the nvidia one fails, you shouldn't remove it |
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| 17:36.28 | berarma | cardamon: look in /var/cache/apt/archives |
| 17:37.07 | berarma | if you find it there do: dpkg -i /var/cache/apt/archives/xserver-xorg-nouveau... |
| 17:37.35 | cardamon | I ran tasksel desktop again, but it's still pretty borked. |
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| 17:38.34 | cardamon | There's not display, but invoke.rc says is running |
| 17:38.49 | cardamon | There's no display, but invoke.rc says is KDM running |
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| 17:41.06 | awc737 | what do you do when a site won't come up for you, but you know it's delegated |
| 17:41.10 | awc737 | I cleaered cache, restarted networking, etc |
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| 17:41.49 | awc737 | do you see this site? http://do02.cagehost.com/ |
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| 17:43.41 | Hans_Henrik | The ulimit() call will get or set some limit for the calling process. The cmd argument can have one of the following values. |
| 17:43.42 | Hans_Henrik | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:43.53 | koollman | awc737: I see a default apache page ("This is the default web page for this server"...) |
| 17:45.39 | BadCodSmell | Where can I find the source code that contains db_metaget? |
| 17:45.50 | BadCodSmell | As in the definition of this function |
| 17:46.07 | jgiorgi | any solution to broadcom chips frequently disconnecting other than disabling power saving (which my chip doesnt support) |
| 17:46.38 | BadCodSmell | As it must have an exit in it, I need the source to debug it and fix my problem |
| 17:46.57 | sney | jgiorgi, we would need more information. there might be another kernel module conflicting with it |
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| 17:53.26 | jgiorgi | sney: i'd be welcome to look if i knew what to look for, dont know much in that area |
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| 17:54.00 | sney | jgiorgi, well, are you able to predict when it might drop out? does it do it after a certain amount of time, or during specific traffic generation? |
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| 17:55.21 | koollman | jgiorgi: first idea would be to search the output that seems related to wifi in /var/log/kern.log |
| 17:56.02 | jgiorgi | sney: it'll drop with traffic or without, sometimes with just some http traffic, othertimes just irc, doesnt seem to be a pattern there, time doesnt seem to matter either, on a fresh OS and driver install the drops are very infrequent but over time they become more frequent up to dropping in seconds |
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| 17:58.18 | DexterF | hi |
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| 18:03.59 | DexterF | had to switch my network to a different router, now on 'service networking restart' the wheezy box does not get a new ip |
| 18:04.05 | DexterF | none at all, precisely |
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| 18:04.25 | DexterF | the router provides dhcp, should work |
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| 18:04.34 | c1b3rh4ck | yes |
| 18:04.48 | c1b3rh4ck | it should be ! |
| 18:05.10 | c1b3rh4ck | you can use dhcpcd ? |
| 18:05.22 | c1b3rh4ck | with you interface ? |
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| 18:05.39 | c1b3rh4ck | *r |
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| 18:06.00 | sney | DexterF, are there any settings in /etc/network/interfaces that might have been specific to your old router? |
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| 18:06.26 | chudley_cannon | I'm having all kinds of trouble trying to update my repositories. I've switched repos a few times, thinking it was a localized issue, but it is not...What could cause apt-get update failures like this? http://pastie.org/5683873 |
| 18:06.44 | chudley_cannon | (whoops - meant to split that up) |
| 18:07.14 | themill | !show sources.list chudley_cannon |
| 18:07.14 | dpkg | chudley_cannon: Please pastebin the contents of your /etc/apt/sources.list and /etc/apt/sources.list.d/*.list. The easiest way to do this is to pastebin the output of: find /etc/apt/ -name '*.list' -printf "\n%p:\n" -exec cat {} \; |
| 18:07.15 | DexterF | sney: iface eth0 inet dhcp and the usual |
| 18:07.31 | jgiorgi | koollman: sney might have lost your messages, got disconnected but the bouncer cleared it's backlog for some reason |
| 18:07.45 | sney | DexterF, can you acquire the ip address with 'dhclient eth0'? |
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| 18:08.25 | chudley_cannon | per themill's request: http://pastie.org/5683879 |
| 18:08.44 | DexterF | sney: I brought the if up with ifconfig, dhclient went through but dont knwo if it leased an ip. lemme check logs.... |
| 18:08.45 | sney | jgiorgi, if it becomes more frequent I'm thinking possibly thermal stress, but you should look in your log for errors as koollman suggestsed |
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| 18:08.56 | themill | chudley_cannon: your deb-src wheezy/updates line is wrong |
| 18:08.59 | Kartagis | hi |
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| 18:09.31 | chudley_cannon | themill: interesting... I think that is the one changing when I choose a different repo with synaptic... no? |
| 18:09.35 | jgiorgi | sney: i dont find any errors, i was thinking thermal stress too but it can be cold and still do it, only a fresh os install will get me back to hours between disconnects |
| 18:09.51 | themill | chudley_cannon: no idea. Haven't touched synaptic in years. You can edit that with any text editor... |
| 18:10.01 | sney | fresh os install... |
| 18:10.05 | Kartagis | I've been dealing with this dovecot configuration, and ssl comes up even though I've deleted everything ssl |
| 18:10.26 | sney | jgiorgi, do you notice any other weirdness in your system's behaviour besides the network? program segfaults or things like that? |
| 18:10.44 | DexterF | sney: dhclient works |
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| 18:11.11 | sney | DexterF, can you pastebin your /etc/network/interfaces |
| 18:11.26 | chudley_cannon | themill: I normally do edit it by hand, but was taking advantage of the "find best server" feature synaptic has. |
| 18:11.33 | jgiorgi | sney: no, latency is really high on the wlan interface but i kinda expect that on a low power device |
| 18:11.51 | chudley_cannon | themill: also - I don't know if I'm having a brain hiccup, but I don't see what is wrong with that deb-src line... what is wrong? |
| 18:11.58 | themill | chudley_cannon: I'd be surprised if synaptic were to try using a regular mirror for a deb-src line. |
| 18:12.05 | themill | s/deb-src/security/ |
| 18:12.05 | DexterF | sney: http://pastebin.com/mJZeXwaE |
| 18:12.14 | themill | dpkg: tell chudley_cannon about make wheezy sources.list |
| 18:12.44 | themill | chudley_cannon: it should be security.debian.org not ftp.ca.d.o for that deb-src line |
| 18:13.07 | sney | themill, that factoid has a reference to squeeze in it |
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| 18:13.30 | themill | sney: ugh... |
| 18:14.21 | sney | jgiorgi, find what driver the card is using and grep your dmesg for its messages |
| 18:14.25 | chudley_cannon | themill: thx... I'll try that. What is interesting is that the ONLY time I've ever chosen that ftp.ca.d.whatever is through the simple synaptic repo change thing |
| 18:14.28 | themill | sney: thanks, fixed. |
| 18:14.33 | sney | np |
| 18:15.03 | themill | chudley_cannon: no idea. As I said, I doubt that synaptic would get that wrong but I never touch it anyway |
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| 18:19.41 | chudley_cannon | themill: confirmed. Changing to security.debian.org fixed (no surprise to you). Re-running synaptic's "select best server" trashed it immediately, though. |
| 18:19.55 | themill | really? how silly |
| 18:20.11 | sney | synaptic also ignores several apt.conf directives |
| 18:20.30 | sney | it's a mess and I advise nobody to use it unless they're just running stable |
| 18:20.38 | chudley_cannon | Given this is my first experience with synaptic... I think I'll steer clear... |
| 18:20.58 | themill | chudley_cannon: it's only the deb-src line for security.d.o that it gets wrong though? |
| 18:21.56 | chudley_cannon | themill: I think so. Here's the set immediately after synaptic trashes it: http://pastie.org/5683916 |
| 18:22.02 | chudley_cannon | prior to that, update worked perfectly |
| 18:22.29 | sney | interesting. |
| 18:22.29 | themill | can you please fire up "reportbug synaptic" and file a bug with sources.list before and after and explaining what you did? |
| 18:22.45 | abrotman | that's cute |
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| 18:23.29 | themill | Does apt refuse to do any updates once it hits a 404 like that? |
| 18:23.45 | chudley_cannon | themill: will try. and to be more specific, on my last statement: yes, when I fix that one line all is well |
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| 18:29.18 | chudley_cannon | themill: still worth reporting on this version? http://pastie.org/5683936 I've upgraded to this point. |
| 18:30.18 | themill | yes |
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| 18:31.25 | oznt | hi, does someone here uses the latest iceweasel 18 on debian wheezy ? |
| 18:31.36 | sney | chudley_cannon, right now bug reports against versions in wheezy are the most important |
| 18:31.43 | oznt | i can't install the package following mozilla's team instructions |
| 18:31.55 | themill | oznt: you need libnss3* from sid too |
| 18:31.57 | meLon | How do you spin down a hot-swapable SATA drive. umount does *not* spin the drive down :\ |
| 18:32.53 | oznt | themill, nope... still does not work |
| 18:33.04 | jhutchins | meLon: I think hdparm can. |
| 18:33.22 | themill | dpkg: tell oznt about doesn't work |
| 18:33.42 | themill | oznt: real commands and real output at paste.debian.net, please |
| 18:33.42 | oznt | themill, can you take a look ? http://paste.debian.net/224632/ |
| 18:33.52 | jhutchins | meLon: After you umount it, it may spin down after a timeout - I think hdparm can set that too. |
| 18:33.56 | oznt | themill, ofcourse, just needed some time |
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| 18:34.15 | DexterF | sney: rebooting client, need to get rid of stale sshfs links |
| 18:34.16 | themill | oznt: you can't have more than one -t in apt-get command like that. |
| 18:34.34 | meLon | jhutchins: I've waited about 3-5m and haven't had the drive spin down yet. I'd like to do it manually as needed. I'll look into hdparm ty :D |
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| 18:34.50 | themill | oznt: what does "aptitude install -t experimental libnss3/sid libnss3-1d/sid iceweasel" want to do? |
| 18:34.51 | oznt | themill, ok , but that is not the reason |
| 18:35.31 | meLon | jhutchins: hdparm -Y /dev/sdX does the trick :D |
| 18:35.49 | themill | oznt: the output of "apt-cache policy iceweasel libnss3 libndss3-1d; apt-cache policy; aptitude search ~b" would be interesting to see |
| 18:35.52 | jhutchins | meLon: xlnt. |
| 18:35.54 | invariant | Fedora has a feature where one can automatically install the dbg packages required to properly display a backtrace. Does Debian has something similar? Why hasn't that feature been ported? |
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| 18:36.22 | jhutchins | invariant: Debian is no more a port of fedora than fedora is of debian. |
| 18:36.41 | themill | invariant: kde certainly offers to do that for you. As for a wider implementation, it's possibly waiting for you to volunteer to do it |
| 18:37.05 | invariant | jhutchins, my usage of the word port is not incorrect here. |
| 18:37.38 | jhutchins | I know what you mean though, you can set preferences to not install documentation and such. |
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| 18:39.51 | oznt | themill, thanks, it works now |
| 18:39.54 | twitchnln | good morning does anyone have any idea how to make squeeze install onto a CERC HW raid, it wants to see it as 3 drives |
| 18:40.21 | invariant | Philip Ashmore argues *against* such a feature. |
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| 18:40.56 | invariant | Is there some list of people which actually decide what happens on any given topic? |
| 18:41.24 | sney | not really, it's usually decided by a consensus or a majority |
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| 18:42.29 | oznt | themill, hmm, i have now a really weired problem with iceweasel 18. the fonts are simply ugly! it was not like that with iceweasel 10, do you know what changed? |
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| 18:42.37 | jhutchins | invariant: I think it's assumed that most released packages in Debian are beyond the debugging stage. |
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| 18:42.56 | themill | oznt: no idea, looks fine to me |
| 18:43.01 | invariant | jhutchins, that's hilarious. |
| 18:43.16 | sney | oznt, haha, that's a difference of 8 versions. why not start looking through the changelog? |
| 18:43.16 | themill | jhutchins: what? |
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| 18:43.22 | oznt | the fonts look really rough on gmail |
| 18:43.22 | jhutchins | invariant: In Experimental/Sid it might make sense, but by testing you should only need it for the occasional package. |
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| 18:43.56 | oznt | sney, yes , i should do it ... (open rant ... darn, sometimes i hate using foss... close rant) |
| 18:44.14 | invariant | It wasn't Philip Ashmore, btw. |
| 18:44.15 | twitchnln | it looks like squeeze doesn't include aacraid support on the installer cd, is this correct? |
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| 18:44.52 | invariant | jhutchins, my impression is that people want to have server software working on Stable generally. |
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| 18:45.12 | invariant | jhutchins, this means that you also at some point need to run it on some development system running that. |
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| 18:45.16 | Bsims | how do I get gthumb to set desktop background in XFCE? |
| 18:45.17 | jhutchins | invariant: Right. |
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| 18:45.48 | invariant | jhutchins, when there is a problem, why should a developer waste 4 hours installing every related package by hand, instead of having it magically working like on Fedora? |
| 18:46.41 | jhutchins | I can see it as a valid option for a developer - but I think that should happen well upstream of testing. |
| 18:46.43 | invariant | I just can't see any reason why someone would argue against such a feature other than being malicious. |
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| 18:47.07 | themill | invariant: who is actually advocating this? (and what does this have to do with #debian?) |
| 18:47.08 | invariant | jhutchins, for all I care, there would be -src packages. |
| 18:47.21 | invariant | themill, http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2012/10/msg00679.html |
| 18:47.27 | jhutchins | invariant: So you'd install all the source by default? |
| 18:47.42 | invariant | jhutchins, no |
| 18:48.01 | jhutchins | I've known people who did. |
| 18:48.01 | invariant | jhutchins, there could even be a separate repository for -src packages. |
| 18:48.21 | invariant | jhutchins, installing all the dbg packages doesn't even work on Debian. |
| 18:48.25 | themill | invariant: umm... you've taken that post completely out of context |
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| 18:49.26 | jhutchins | invariant: I believe the src repositories are essentially seperate in debian, and as I said before, it doesn't make sense to install the debug symbols for everything. For one thing, you're not going to work on _everything_. |
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| 18:49.55 | themill | let's not confuse debug symbols and source and why is this in #debian anyway? |
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| 18:50.07 | jhutchins | invariant: For another, like I said, by the time stuff gets to testing the _majority_ of programs are not going to be crashing. Installing debug symbols for less doesn't make much sense. |
| 18:50.08 | invariant | themill, is there a #debian-devel then? |
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| 18:50.38 | themill | invariant: sure. And you might like to get this straight in your mind and have a reasonable technical argument before you try joining that channel |
| 18:50.51 | invariant | themill, I can't even join it. |
| 18:50.55 | jhutchins | invariant: Fedora is inherently MUCH more buggy than Debian's released code. |
| 18:51.19 | abrotman | separates invariant and jhutchins |
| 18:51.23 | engla | invariant: the main debian channels are on oftc |
| 18:51.28 | tharkun_ | If I press the power button where is it logged? |
| 18:52.07 | ompaul | IF it is logged as anything it will be in /var/log/syslog ime but I could be corrected on that |
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| 18:52.23 | ompaul | tharkun_: I think it just sees the request to shutdown |
| 18:52.27 | jhutchins | tharkun_: In the notebook on the shelf in rack E3. |
| 18:52.29 | usernet | (Sorry I am very poor at english) Hi, I am configuring DRBD over RAID 1 (http://paste.org.ru/?l7s1mo) and I got such error about duplicate PV http://paste.org.ru/?zp6bi7, why? |
| 18:52.29 | tgs3 | how to remove java malware from debian? |
| 18:52.35 | Sevet | i doubt the action itself would be logged, but the shutdown would be |
| 18:52.49 | Sevet | (if it's a soft shutdown anyway) |
| 18:52.58 | engla | pm-utils have logs at least |
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| 18:53.09 | tgs3 | or to be precise ;) how to turn off/deinstall all java plugins (from any webbrowser etc) while leaving java commandline. |
| 18:53.12 | jhutchins | tharkun_: Debian would log it to several files including syslog iirc. |
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| 18:55.09 | tharkun_ | jhutchins: I'm sleep deprived and debian guest is not shutting down on debian host which uses kvm and the qmp protocol is failing to shutdown the vm when recieving a system_shutdown on its control port. Hence the question |
| 18:55.55 | bitg | what's the deal with debian? why do so many non linux users try to use ubuntu over other distros? I don't understand it |
| 18:56.20 | bitg | I meant ubuntu |
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| 18:56.38 | invariant | bitg, Ubuntu goes to conferences and come out with flashy videos and partnerships. |
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| 18:57.26 | engla | maybe ubuntu is easier to use |
| 18:57.33 | engla | or at least easier to install |
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| 18:58.14 | bitg | but linux is linux regardles but to those users, they are just looking at the window manager and it probably does have something to do with that and the installer |
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| 18:59.02 | invariant | bitg, sure, if you would made a zero button installer that came up with a decent desktop, that would likely get some following. |
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| 18:59.47 | invariant | bitg, for example, if it would autodetect which partitions are empty and would use that to install the system without asking any question at all and if it would take into account disksize and networking speed to determine useful sets of packages. |
| 19:00.08 | invariant | bitg, there are lots of ways in which even the Ubuntu installer could be improved. |
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| 19:00.35 | invariant | There are ways to automate these things already, but I don't know of someone providing it all in a simple to use package. |
| 19:01.38 | invariant | In the case of Debian, the Linux part also doesn't matter anymore, since you can now have at least two other kernels too. |
| 19:01.40 | bitg | True... I just hear so much about ubuntu and pay no mind to it, thought just crossed my mind when it was the top channel on this network |
| 19:02.02 | invariant | bitg, numbers don't make a channel better. |
| 19:02.11 | bitg | of course not haha |
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| 19:08.47 | tgs3 | how to make sure java plugin for browsers are not installed, and to ban them from being installed? |
| 19:09.53 | jhutchins | tharkun: Does kvm have drivers that need to be installed for that to work? I know VMWare does. |
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| 19:12.23 | tharkun | jhutchins: afaik there are none needed but I'll research it more deeply. Also If I run kvm with qmp enabled I'm getting broken pipes. I don't have a clue why or who is causing them |
| 19:12.57 | tharkun | jhutchins: is there a way to simulate pressing the shutdown button? |
| 19:15.08 | tgs3 | tharkun: that reminds me, do you know how to have a script executed when poweroff button is initially pressed |
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| 19:17.25 | tharkun | tgs3: IIRC it all depends upon acpid which in turns runs the scripts at their proper locations. If you need further assistance man acpid is quite complete and fairly simple to understand |
| 19:17.47 | tgs3 | tharkun: about testing it, hmm probably some echo 1 > /proc/ something does it.. |
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| 19:18.25 | jhutchins | tharkun: Um, yeah, you hit the shutdown button in the VM manager. |
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| 19:18.38 | tgs3 | I think by default debian should allow to soft turn off the computer by power button (in case when alt-ctrl-del doesnt do it, eg hanged X or DM) |
| 19:19.00 | tharkun | jhutchins: VM manager? does kvm has one. This is a headless server |
| 19:19.21 | tgs3 | tharkun: there was a kvm manager console, and it had shutdown vm option |
| 19:19.34 | tgs3 | afair it simulated powerbutton first |
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| 19:21.40 | jhutchins | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:23.09 | jhutchins | To me KVM is that switch thingie that you use to change which server is connected to your keyboard, video, and mouse. |
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| 19:28.50 | harovali1 | hi, I have a debian squeeze system up-to-date. I'd like to upgrade the kernel. Do you think that compiling from source and installing is about to play nice with the rest of the system ? |
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| 19:29.33 | sney | harovali1, http://backports.debian.org/ has 3.2 kernels built for squeeze |
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| 19:32.14 | smile | byee :) |
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| 19:34.49 | nrs_ | ON A PLANE AGAIN |
| 19:35.02 | sney | can't complain? |
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| 19:36.00 | aricg | where should I build source code? (clone repos/untar things I'm going to be compiling etc) |
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| 19:37.10 | sney | aricg, in your home directory |
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| 19:37.28 | harovali1 | sney: thanks |
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| 19:37.53 | aricg | sney, checkinstall requires root, is /root my home directory? |
| 19:38.02 | sney | no |
| 19:38.13 | veryhappy | hey guys, i'd like to install debian on a pentium 3 the only problem is, cd boot, usb boot and network boot aren't available. so i'd like to edit or create a boot image of the debian installer where i can insert the debian-6.iso image file itself and then i want to dd it to the harddrive but i can't burn a bootable iso image with k3b i don' t know the way so if you have a clue how to do... |
| 19:38.14 | veryhappy | ...that, it would be very nice. |
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| 19:38.42 | sney | your home directory is /home/aricg and you can use that place to do almost anything regarding packaging. and if you have to become root for certain parts of that process, you can do so with su or sudo |
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| 19:39.00 | aricg | sney what if I am scripting the process? |
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| 19:39.24 | sney | aricg, if you're making packages and scripting the process, then you need to read http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/ to do it properly |
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| 19:39.34 | sney | otherwise it's a wasted effort reinventing the wheel. |
| 19:39.37 | aricg | okay, thanks. |
| 19:40.23 | aricg | I'm just doing a checkinstall at the end tho, real debian maintainers don't use that right? |
| 19:40.26 | sney | veryhappy, the debian squeeze CD installers are hybrid images that can be directly written to disk devices and booted from there |
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| 19:40.43 | sney | aricg, yeah, but checkinstall doesn't speed anything up, especially if you're still doing things like calling configure manually |
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| 19:40.53 | sney | you might as well just do it the right way |
| 19:41.04 | aricg | BUT LEARNING?! .. okay. |
| 19:41.07 | aricg | goes to learn |
| 19:41.08 | veryhappy | sney, the problem is not that i can't boot the predefined images, the problem is that debian searches for a repository and i have to provide that with an iso image itself |
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| 19:41.50 | sney | veryhappy, what, are you using boot.img? that just adds steps |
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| 19:42.14 | sney | if you can write CD1 to a disk device, then that's all you need. aside from another disk or partition to install to, anyway |
| 19:42.27 | veryhappy | sney i'm doing dd if=/home/xxx/images/debian.iso of=/dev/sdx and then i want to install debian but it doesn't find a cd |
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| 19:43.49 | sney | veryhappy, are you running 'sync' after your dd command? |
| 19:44.03 | veryhappy | sney: nope do i have to do that? |
| 19:44.26 | eternalsword | I use Active Directory for user authentication. I am wanting to switch shells for a user, however chsh won't work because the user isn't in the /etc/passwd file. Anyone know how to do this? |
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| 19:44.56 | sney | veryhappy, yes, it makes sure the entire image has actually been written. linux caches a lot of write operations |
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| 19:45.30 | veryhappy | sney: so i don't even have to try to copy the debian.iso into the predefined iso? |
| 19:45.40 | veryhappy | sney: that's really new to me |
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| 19:46.08 | sney | eternalsword, not offhand, but last I checked linux was using ldap to interact with active directory, so it'd probably follow the same procedure as a pure ldap system. you will probably have to define it from the server end |
| 19:46.20 | sney | veryhappy, yes, that's the whole point of the installer isos working as disk images |
| 19:46.40 | sney | they already contain what you need, there's none of that mount the disk and copy things into it process anymore |
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| 19:47.26 | G10h4ck | hi all! |
| 19:47.35 | veryhappy | sney: thanks, i'll check that out |
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| 19:48.18 | jimcooncat_ | eternalsword: I don't know what I'm talking about here, but why not have the user log in with the default shell, then have it load chsh? |
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| 19:52.52 | G10h4ck | i have a limited user in a server at university |
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| 19:53.02 | G10h4ck | i am trying to buil a program that need libcurl |
| 19:53.22 | G10h4ck | i successfully installed libcurl from source with ~/opt as prefix |
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| 19:53.43 | G10h4ck | but now the other program not find libcurl |
| 19:53.48 | blackness | how would i change the color output of ls? like i want to change the blue folders from bold to non-bold |
| 19:53.52 | sney | if libcurl is a build-dep, you don't need libcurl installed, you need libcurl's header files |
| 19:54.10 | G10h4ck | i have tryed exporting some variables i found on internet but it didn't workde... |
| 19:54.35 | G10h4ck | sney i have builded locally from source so i have it all in ~/opt |
| 19:54.42 | Sevet | since it's a non-standard install location the program using libcurl will need to know its location when you ./configure it |
| 19:55.07 | Sevet | or if you're doing it from your own makefile, gcc's -L option |
| 19:55.25 | G10h4ck | no the program is not mine |
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| 19:55.55 | G10h4ck | and i am looking for a general solution so if in the future i have to build other programs i don't need to go crazy another time ;) |
| 19:56.08 | Sevet | does it have a ./configure script? |
| 19:56.13 | G10h4ck | yes |
| 19:56.23 | aricg | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:57.05 | Sevet | aricg: no, that won't let it find the headers |
| 19:57.17 | Sevet | G10h4ck: check its options with ./configure --help... it might have something like --with-curl=DIR |
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| 19:58.00 | G10h4ck | Sevet i have already looked but there isn't :( |
| 19:58.20 | aricg | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:59.12 | Sevet | aricg: possibly, or --includedir |
| 19:59.16 | G10h4ck | configure: WARNING: unrecognized options: --with-headers |
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| 19:59.57 | storm3r | Hey guys, my debian randomly freezes, its annoying because its consistant. but i have no idea what's wrong |
| 20:00.15 | blackness | you should have to install the devel package for curl. and the configure script should locate these files.. |
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| 20:00.58 | G10h4ck | blackness i cannot due unprivileged user so i have installed locally in my home forlde libcurl from source so i have also de header and dev stuff |
| 20:00.59 | Sevet | blackness: '<G10h4ck> i have a limited user in a server at university' |
| 20:01.17 | G10h4ck | --includedir didn't fixed :( |
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| 20:01.48 | aricg | umm... does gcc look in its own root directory before searching elsewhere? |
| 20:01.56 | Sevet | G10h4ack: did you do --includedir=~/opt/...whateveryourpathisto.../include ? |
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| 20:02.17 | eternalsword | thanks sney, the answer at http://serverfault.com/questions/224340/override-template-shell-on-linux-system-in-active-directory-domain solved my issue "winbind nss info = rfc2307" in /etc/samba/smb.conf |
| 20:02.25 | storm3r | aricg: it should, yes |
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| 20:03.39 | G10h4ck | ./configure --includedir=$HOME/opt/include --libdir=$HOME/opt/lib --prefix=$HOME/opt |
| 20:04.19 | Bsims | I am looking to backup my running system to a compressed iso... with the intention of using a usb live installer to make it a live usb device... any suggestions? |
| 20:04.31 | G10h4ck | checking for LIBCURL... no :( |
| 20:04.34 | blackness | Bsims, remastersys |
| 20:04.41 | blackness | i use it and it works WONDERFUL. |
| 20:04.53 | Bsims | blackness: is it in the default repos? |
| 20:04.58 | blackness | no. |
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| 20:05.15 | storm3r | Hey guys, my debian randomly freezes, its annoying because its consistant. but i have no idea what's wrong |
| 20:05.17 | blackness | but its worth adding. imo. |
| 20:05.21 | Bsims | How much compression did you see with it? |
| 20:05.32 | blackness | a 5gb / to 1.2gb |
| 20:05.38 | G10h4ck | Sevet aricg any other hist ? |
| 20:05.40 | Bsims | storm3r: when does it freeze? |
| 20:05.49 | blackness | but i dont use gnome..just openbox |
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| 20:06.06 | blackness | thats also including a backup of /home stored in /etc/skel/home/ |
| 20:06.20 | storm3r | Bsims: quite randomly, but 5-30 minutes after start up and regular use |
| 20:06.21 | aricg | G10h4ck, sorry, I've never not had root. |
| 20:06.27 | blackness | i exclude /home, but keep a configuration copy of /home in /etc/skel/ |
| 20:06.36 | Bsims | storm3r: anything in the logs? |
| 20:06.40 | storm3r | No |
| 20:06.41 | blackness | storm3r, what kernel? |
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| 20:06.46 | storm3r | 1 sec |
| 20:06.58 | storm3r | 3.2 |
| 20:07.14 | blackness | squeeze? sid? wheezy? |
| 20:07.19 | storm3r | testing |
| 20:07.22 | storm3r | whatever its caled |
| 20:07.24 | storm3r | called |
| 20:07.38 | storm3r | squeeze i believe |
| 20:07.39 | blackness | yes, i cant help you as i dont use that version. sorry :P |
| 20:07.47 | blackness | hold a moment please |
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| 20:08.02 | sney | storm3r, cat /etc/debian_version |
| 20:08.09 | Bsims | I'm running testing and not noticed any freezes |
| 20:08.26 | storm3r | 7.0 |
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| 20:08.44 | blackness | lsb_release -c |
| 20:09.04 | storm3r | wheezy |
| 20:09.36 | blackness | thats your version. the topic says to goto irc.oftc.net/debian-next for wheezy/sid tho. :/ |
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| 20:10.34 | storm3r | Alright |
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| 20:37.11 | runixo | heyas. I have a md array and one of the 2 disks is broken, but I'm not sure which one is it: mdstat http://pastebin.com/ELu7yEKh dmesg http://pastebin.com/3yxhxrAx |
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| 20:40.44 | gnat_x | runixo: looks like sdb fromt he mdstat. |
| 20:41.33 | runixo | gnat_x: yep. but a few hours ago I received an email saying: "A FailSpare event had been detected on md device /dev/md/0. It could be related to component device /dev/sda1." |
| 20:41.37 | Eryn_1983_FL | Psi-Jack: hey whats the name of that redundant FS you are using? |
| 20:41.40 | runixo | gnat_x: so, is it /dev/sdb or /dev/sda ? |
| 20:41.48 | Psi-Jack | Eryn_1983_FL: Ceph |
| 20:41.54 | Eryn_1983_FL | lol |
| 20:41.58 | Eryn_1983_FL | cool |
| 20:42.12 | Eryn_1983_FL | i was so off its funny |
| 20:42.18 | Psi-Jack | heh |
| 20:42.42 | Eryn_1983_FL | put it on my delicious for later.. |
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| 20:43.12 | Eryn_1983_FL | did i mention i love xmonad?? |
| 20:44.30 | Eryn_1983_FL | so the plan is to get another machine for my desktop and get my desktop stuff off the backup system.. once i do that then i will redo my main server xena, and install procmox and then all my vms |
| 20:44.52 | sebas-89 | or get out from the channel |
| 20:44.53 | Eryn_1983_FL | and put zabix for testing on the backup system/testing box. |
| 20:45.01 | Eryn_1983_FL | ? |
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| 20:45.35 | jalalsfs | Is testing version of debian a rolling release? |
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| 20:47.46 | Armand | Any hints as to why Iceweasel crashes at random on 6.0.6 ? |
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| 20:50.27 | epsilon | run from shell and you may get any hint as first step |
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| 20:58.47 | sebas-89 | hey epsilon, i'm beta |
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| 21:03.03 | Bsims | I'm trying to install remastersys... I've added the key and the repo to apt but it still says unauthenticated package and will not install any ideas? |
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| 21:04.41 | {her|bert} | jalalsfs: no |
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| 21:12.44 | tcope | where to find debians equivalent of '/etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/network-functions' |
| 21:13.40 | Bsims | tcope: Ok what does that do? |
| 21:14.03 | tcope | redhat systems has functions for networking |
| 21:15.08 | Bsims | its either under /etc/network or /etc/NetworkManager |
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| 21:16.38 | Hans_Henrik | can any1 else load this page? http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/amd64/transmission-daemon/download |
| 21:17.02 | streuner_ | Hans_Henrik: works like a charm here |
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| 21:17.29 | Hans_Henrik | streuner_: could you just give me 1 of the links? |
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| 21:17.38 | Hans_Henrik | dont really care which one |
| 21:18.01 | streuner_ | Hans_Henrik: http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/pool/main/t/transmission/transmission-daemon_2.03-2_amd64.deb |
| 21:18.07 | Hans_Henrik | thanks |
| 21:18.25 | Hans_Henrik | and.. that page still isnt loading for me o.0 |
| 21:18.29 | streuner_ | Hans_Henrik: how about your DNS server, maybe its broken... |
| 21:18.39 | Hans_Henrik | no |
| 21:18.46 | Hans_Henrik | unless it was broken like 30 seconds ago |
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| 21:18.59 | mathe_frage | can someone help me with routing tables in ubuntu 11.04? |
| 21:18.59 | mathe_frage | route add -net 172.16.0.0 netmask 255.255.255.248 gw 172.16.0.6 dev eth0 |
| 21:18.59 | mathe_frage | route add -net 172.16.0.8 netmask 255.255.255.248 gw 172.16.0.14 dev eth1 |
| 21:18.59 | mathe_frage | I have 2 Networks: 172.16.0.0 255.255.255.248 and 172.16.0.8 255.255.255.248 |
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| 21:19.02 | Bsims | Hans_Henrik: set dns to 8.8.8.8 thats google dns its almost never down and faster than most isp's |
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| 21:19.19 | Devastator | mathe_frage this is debian |
| 21:19.23 | haylo | Hans_Henrik: use a console based web browser like "links" and to check if a site is up or down use http://www.downforeveryoneorjustme.com/ |
| 21:19.29 | Hans_Henrik | 8.8.8.8 8.8.4.4 right? |
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| 21:19.39 | streuner_ | Hans_Henrik: that URL works, so its only your DNS... |
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| 21:19.54 | Bsims | Hans_Henrik: yeah that sounds right |
| 21:20.12 | Hans_Henrik | sad they didn't find any good IPv6 addresses tho :/ |
| 21:20.28 | Hans_Henrik | (easy-to-remember for humans address ) |
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| 21:20.52 | Hans_Henrik | reminds me to switch isp btw.. -.- |
| 21:21.09 | streuner_ | Hans_Henrik: all is about resolv.conf |
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| 21:21.42 | Hans_Henrik | a |
| 21:22.13 | Bsims | I'm trying to install remastersys... I've added the key and the repo to apt but it still says unauthenticated package and will not install any ideas? |
| 21:22.15 | Hans_Henrik | switched to google's dns, and it loads now |
| 21:22.33 | streuner_ | !congratulate Hand_Henrik |
| 21:22.34 | dpkg | Hugs & Puppies Hand_Henrik, you did it! |
| 21:23.23 | haylo | Bsims: they have a key at their website you can add |
| 21:23.45 | Hans_Henrik | if som1 were to say "!congratulate !congratulate dpkg", ... |
| 21:23.49 | Hans_Henrik | hmm |
| 21:23.59 | Hans_Henrik | oh no wouldnt work |
| 21:23.59 | Hans_Henrik | w/e |
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| 21:24.12 | Bsims | haylo: I added it, then added the repository... and did update... still screams its unauthenticated |
| 21:24.30 | haylo | well it installs for me with just the repo and no key |
| 21:24.47 | haylo | perhaps you have somehow over-complicated it |
| 21:25.03 | Bsims | haylo: no idea this is on a bog standard testing machine |
| 21:25.44 | haylo | if you really want a custom live cd use debian-live. remastersys can be pretty crappy |
| 21:26.07 | haylo | debian live build makes all of that stuff custom, and installable, and way better than remastersys ever could |
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| 21:28.13 | Bsims | haylo: Hrm I'll try that |
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| 21:29.53 | haylo | heres the manual for wheezy lb 3.x (not squeeze) Bsims |
| 21:29.55 | haylo | http://live.debian.net/manual/3.x/html/live-manual.en.html |
| 21:30.16 | Bsims | smiles thanks haylo |
| 21:30.16 | haylo | its dense, but if you like making stuff with remastersys. you will love live-build |
| 21:30.40 | Bsims | grins moved back to debian from ubuntu... started using ubuntu when Potato was new |
| 21:30.59 | Bsims | sid broke and well at the time ubuntu was installable and sid wasn't |
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| 21:31.22 | Bsims | Unity et all drove me back to Momma Debian |
| 21:31.32 | haylo | well ubuntu has their own decrepit version of lb they maintain, if you want to try it |
| 21:31.39 | Grey4 | o/ Hello all! I'm about to install debian. I'm going to setup a RAID 1. Please do I need to change anything in the BIOS? |
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| 21:32.34 | zinx | Grey4: there are multiple ways to setup a RAID 1, some require that you change stuff in the BIOS, some do not. |
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| 21:32.56 | Grey4 | :zinx: I want to setup a software RAID 1 |
| 21:33.14 | zinx | Grey4: then you probably don't need to make any BIOS changes |
| 21:34.19 | Grey4 | :zinx: cool. I've connected two brand new-literally out of the box- 2TB HDD..I'm currently looking for tutorial for this. Any help much appreciated |
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| 21:36.42 | zinx | Grey4: http://www.howtoforge.com/linux_lvm may help |
| 21:37.11 | zinx | Grey4: note that RAID is a very complex topic with many ways to mess up, though. |
| 21:37.20 | veryhappy | hey guys, i want to install debian on an pentium 3, the only possibility is to install debian over a 2nd harddrive on my 1st harddrive. i already tried dd and it didn't work just because it says it doesn't find the cdrom drive. whoever wants to tell me: try sync after dd then it works "bullshit!", so any hints? |
| 21:37.42 | zinx | Grey4: especially important, and misconfigured, is alignment and block sizes |
| 21:38.29 | oznt | hi everyone, i am desperately looking for a solution how to change the fonts inside gmail (not the font inside mail, no the iceweael UI, rather the UI from GMAIL) |
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| 21:38.32 | zinx | veryhappy: why is that your only possibility? |
| 21:38.33 | RougeR | ive done this from windows make sure you are using a wire connection or else you wont be able to connect to the ftp |
| 21:38.35 | oznt | can someone give me a hint? |
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| 21:39.22 | veryhappy | zinx, cdrom drive doesn't recognize my netinstaller, usb boot doesn't work on that board and i'm not able to perform a netboot. |
| 21:40.29 | zinx | veryhappy: i'm confused - the cd drive doesn't see the cd, or the installer on the cd doesn't see your network? |
| 21:40.40 | RougeR | veryhappy, just do a direct hard drive installation??? |
| 21:40.57 | veryhappy | zinx: sorry cd drive doesn't recognize my netinstaller CD |
| 21:41.05 | zinx | veryhappy: ah |
| 21:41.25 | zinx | veryhappy: what OS are you using? |
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| 21:41.29 | veryhappy | RougeR: tell me how: the installer boot up and tells me immediately, "There's no cdrom drive!" |
| 21:41.41 | RougeR | hmmm |
| 21:41.48 | veryhappy | i want to install debian on that system |
| 21:41.52 | veryhappy | i386 |
| 21:42.06 | veryhappy | or whatever at least 32 bit, because that is still a pentium 3 |
| 21:42.34 | RougeR | I booted from HDD from winows 7, never got a CD message and i run without a CD/DVD drive, err |
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| 21:43.17 | veryhappy | RougeR: we both know: debian is very old fashioned when it comes to any different hardware configurations to run while the install |
| 21:44.01 | zinx | veryhappy: what OS are you currently using, and is it on a different computer? |
| 21:44.23 | veryhappy | zinx: i got a lot other new computers, that's just a test computer |
| 21:44.38 | RougeR | im really not sure, only differences i can think is; i used an SSD to install to a HDD and i was running a 64bit OS |
| 21:44.46 | RougeR | of* |
| 21:44.53 | zinx | veryhappy: you can simply install the i386 edition on one of your current computers, then (make sure you use GRUB2 and GUID or LABEL for mounting/etc) |
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| 21:45.17 | zinx | veryhappy: and make sure you install GRUB to the HD with the new install, of course |
| 21:45.20 | veryhappy | zinx: that's a test computer, i don't wanna mess up my other pcs |
| 21:45.45 | zinx | veryhappy: ? you can remove other hard drives from your real systems while performing the install to the test hard drive. |
| 21:45.50 | veryhappy | zinx: the other pcs are working indeed |
| 21:46.27 | veryhappy | zinx: well perhaps i didn't explain well, i have 2 hard drives on that pc |
| 21:46.46 | veryhappy | zinx: so it should be possible to install from the one hd to the other hd |
| 21:47.11 | zinx | veryhappy: sure |
| 21:47.13 | veryhappy | zinx: only don't get rid of that stupid cdrom drive not found error |
| 21:47.20 | RougeR | yeah as long as you have the installer and a wired connection, shouldnt be an issue |
| 21:47.31 | zinx | veryhappy: sounds like your CD drive is not plugged in right, or is broken, tbqh |
| 21:47.37 | veryhappy | RougeR: i indeed even the ethernet |
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| 21:47.56 | zinx | veryhappy: Debian doesn't care if the CD rom can be found or not, as long as you have some way to provide it with the files it needs. |
| 21:47.57 | veryhappy | zinx: i dd'ed from an iso, how about that? |
| 21:48.07 | RougeR | what format is the HDD in? |
| 21:48.12 | zinx | veryhappy: isos are in a different format and will not boot when put on a hard drive |
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| 21:48.32 | veryhappy | zinx: so? dd worked for me on all other distros |
| 21:48.37 | veryhappy | funny, isn't it? |
| 21:48.50 | RougeR | yeah you cant use a .iso |
| 21:48.53 | zinx | veryhappy: they may well be using hybrid .iso files that contain a normal boot sector |
| 21:49.00 | RougeR | there is a specific installer |
| 21:49.01 | zinx | veryhappy: the Debian one does not. |
| 21:49.08 | veryhappy | ha! :D |
| 21:49.21 | veryhappy | zinx: why can i even boot up the complete debian installer? |
| 21:49.28 | frostschutz | I boot the netinstaller from USB, and what I did to make it work is put the cdrom files into the initrd. |
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| 21:49.45 | veryhappy | frostschutz: ok, so how did you do that? |
| 21:50.00 | veryhappy | frostschutz: keep in mind this is a normal ide hard drive |
| 21:50.05 | zinx | veryhappy: .isos use a different filesystem, and do not typically contain an x86 style boot sector - they DO contain an El Torito boot sector, but your BIOS is unlikely to look for that on a hard drive. they also typically use 2048 byte block sizes instead of 512, but i doubt that part matters :P |
| 21:50.06 | RougeR | http://goodbye-microsoft.com/ think that might be it |
| 21:50.41 | veryhappy | RougeR: win? |
| 21:50.43 | RougeR | then you sellect complete installation process upon boot |
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| 21:50.53 | RougeR | yes from windows |
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| 21:51.06 | veryhappy | RougeR: i can't use that without NO os on it |
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| 21:51.30 | gnat_x | is there any way around the "Too many levels of symbolic links" error? |
| 21:51.34 | RougeR | ah so you have no current OS on PCs you want to install on |
| 21:51.41 | RougeR | is stumped |
| 21:51.42 | zinx | gnat_x: don't nest symbolic links so much |
| 21:52.11 | veryhappy | RougeR: i have a notebook with ubuntu and windows and another one with ubuntu as well, so i just can't use that on THIS pc that i want to install it on |
| 21:52.31 | shingouz | veryhappy: if the box boots off the cd, boot off a cd. if it supports usb boot, cat the iso on a stick and boot off that. in a real pinch use a floppy |
| 21:52.33 | gnat_x | zinx: right, but that's not really an option for this workaround. |
| 21:52.56 | gnat_x | i'm working around what i suspect to be a php bug. |
| 21:53.04 | veryhappy | shingouz: thanks that you're reading, CD does NOT boot, USB doesn't work |
| 21:53.14 | zinx | gnat_x: that is your option. |
| 21:53.21 | RougeR | can you boot debain off of a USB flash drive, i think do, seems to be only option |
| 21:53.27 | RougeR | so* |
| 21:53.37 | haylo | zinx: debian has a binary.iso version as well as a .img of its live images |
| 21:53.38 | zinx | gnat_x: if it's not an option, you'll have to describe your problem better, because there is no other option to the question you asked. |
| 21:53.38 | gnat_x | zinx: okay thanks. time to move on to the next work around indea then. |
| 21:53.39 | shingouz | veryhappy: and did you already check the bios for the boot options? |
| 21:53.53 | frostschutz | veryhappy: USB doesn't work in general on that box? if grub on usb stick worked you could make the netinstaller work, needs about 200MB on the usb stick for the regular image |
| 21:54.00 | haylo | so, i guess you just got the non binary-hybrid.iso |
| 21:54.01 | veryhappy | shingouz: on a pentium 3? are you kidding me? |
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| 21:54.17 | zinx | veryhappy: boot options have been around since well before p3 |
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| 21:54.37 | veryhappy | !guys! the problem is that the system doesn't have USB BOOT, usb works indeed |
| 21:54.38 | dpkg | veryhappy: okay |
| 21:54.45 | shingouz | veryhappy: i have seen p2's with both cd and usb boot. boot options have been around a lot before the pentiums came to be |
| 21:55.15 | gnat_x | zinx: the issue i'm having is that my xen guests have glusterfs, and php can't read sym links on a glusterfs, and thus fails when trying to read the zoneinfo files. i was trying to link the host's zoneinfo since that is on a ext4 partition, and hit the too many sym links error (which isn't that surprising frankly) |
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| 21:55.46 | haylo | veryhappy: debian has a binary-hybrid.iso image. as well as a hdd image in addition to the ".iso" |
| 21:55.52 | zinx | gnat_x: you likely created a symlink that links to itself in the context where you are reading it |
| 21:56.05 | haylo | find the hdd and dd one of them to it,. or netboot |
| 21:56.12 | veryhappy | haylo: and how do i need to get this on my hd? |
| 21:56.18 | zinx | gnat_x: the zoneinfo files are probably in their own directory, yes? if so, you can use a bind mount (perhaps a read-only one..) |
| 21:56.21 | veryhappy | ok |
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| 21:56.44 | gnat_x | zinx: ahh bindmount good thought. |
| 21:56.49 | zinx | gnat_x: if the zoneinfo dir has symlinks, though, you'll have trouble still |
| 21:57.05 | gnat_x | zinx: it's almost all sym links. |
| 21:57.09 | zinx | gnat_x: since they'll be pointing to things in the host, rather than the guest |
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| 21:57.54 | zinx | gnat_x: it will work as long as the symlinks are either relative, and point to stuff below the zoneinfo dir, or absolute and everything is in the same place in the guest.. |
| 21:58.23 | gnat_x | zinx: yeah they would have to, since that's the one on an ext4 fs. i think i just have to create some logical volumes for the zoneinfo files on all the guests. |
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| 21:58.55 | zinx | gnat_x: well, good luck :) |
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| 21:59.41 | jelly-home | zinx: actually, debian installer .iso have been hybrid images since lenny |
| 21:59.46 | zinx | jelly-home: ah |
| 22:00.06 | zinx | jelly-home: hybrid HD+iso+usb or hybrid iso+usb? |
| 22:00.18 | jelly-home | no idea |
| 22:00.34 | zinx | jelly-home: for some reason, USB boot is sometimes different from normal x86 HD boot too, i've yet to figure out why they made that stupid. |
| 22:00.39 | jelly-home | zinx: what is the difference in extra HD functionality? |
| 22:01.02 | hid3 | Hello everyone. Will we ever solve the bzip2 vs pbzip2 conflicts? pbzip2 is more modern tool but we can't get rid of bzip2 because it is hardcoded into the system. Same goes with gzip/pigz |
| 22:01.03 | zinx | jelly-home: dunno, i just know some of the USB boot stuff doesn't work on a real HD |
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| 22:01.26 | jelly-home | hid3: conflicts? |
| 22:01.27 | haylo | hid3: bzip2 isnt going anywhere |
| 22:01.34 | zinx | jelly-home: also, you generally have to dd it to the whole disk rather than a partition :X |
| 22:01.51 | jelly-home | zinx: yeah, of course |
| 22:02.03 | zinx | jelly-home: or at least have a suitable MBR that will load your partition bootloader |
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| 22:02.18 | hid3 | haylo: bzip2 is one threaded. I have 16 threads. Why not to use them all? |
| 22:02.34 | zinx | jelly-home: and a hybrid usb image portion that does the crazy USB partition-table+partition in one thing |
| 22:02.54 | hid3 | jelly-home: I can't replace the hard coded ones (bzip2, gzip) with the more modern ones system-wide without some 'hacks' |
| 22:03.28 | zinx | hid3: do they take the same options? |
| 22:03.37 | hid3 | sure |
| 22:03.39 | zinx | hid3: file a bug on bzip2 or such to create an alternative |
| 22:03.42 | jelly-home | hid3: have you tried lbzip2? Have you seen pbzip2 has incompatible CLI options to be a 1:1 replacement? |
| 22:04.20 | zinx | hid3: that is, the technical debian term "alternative", not the general sense of the word |
| 22:04.50 | hid3 | nope, haven't tried/heard of lbzip2. How it is different from pbzip2? Also, not sure what options of pbzip2 you mean. Besides, it should not be 1:1 replacement, it should be a replacement with some improvement |
| 22:05.10 | gnat_x | zinx: thanks for the pointers. when you're in these strange circumstances its nice to bounce ideas off someone. |
| 22:05.22 | hid3 | zinx: I see some bug reports filled back in 2010. Don't want to mess filling same again and again |
| 22:05.28 | zinx | hid3: 1:1 replacement implying that anything that was calling bzip2 can call the new thing the same way, not that it doesn't add stuff. |
| 22:05.32 | jelly-home | hid3: it should be forward compatible with bzip2, and is not |
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| 22:06.40 | hid3 | well, AFAIK it is fully compatible. Any hints of what's different/incompatible? |
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| 22:07.13 | hid3 | Also, what's actual difference between pbzip2 and lbzip2? |
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| 22:08.17 | hid3 | I recall reading some time ago, pbzip2 claimed to be fully compatible with bzip2 |
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| 22:09.56 | veryhappy | thanks, bye |
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| 22:14.54 | jelly-home | hid3: usage in pipes did not exist, but that seems to have been added |
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| 22:16.14 | hid3 | Great. Looks like they're developing towards to be a replacement |
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| 22:16.55 | plotino | hi |
| 22:17.21 | cardamon | Ugh, I'm getting output through both my laptop speakers and the headphones. Wheezy and KDE. |
| 22:17.38 | hid3 | I do a dirty hack: I move all the binaries (gzip, gunzip, bzip2) to /bin/*.dpkg-new and then symlink their analogs (pigz, unpigz, pbzip2) to /bin/*. I know, it's dirty. After an upgrade, I have to do all that the same again. Any ideas on how to do that in a more nice way? |
| 22:19.29 | engla | hid3: dpkg-divert implements that |
| 22:19.36 | jelly-home | hid3: man dpkg-divert |
| 22:20.00 | hid3 | Thanks, tis channel is simply great. |
| 22:20.02 | engla | you must really love compressing stuff |
| 22:20.03 | hid3 | *this |
| 22:20.14 | hid3 | yeah, I like that :) |
| 22:20.24 | jelly-home | but here, have a comparison: gzip -dc linux-2.6.39.tar.gz | {lbzip2,pbzip -9c4} > ... |
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| 22:20.32 | b0ss_ | is there a Registry in Linux like the one in Windows in such a way every time a new app is installed it gets registered ?? |
| 22:20.34 | jelly-home | -rw-r--r-- 1 jelly src 77696045 Jan 14 23:19 linux-2.6.39.tar.lbz2 |
| 22:20.35 | jelly-home | -rw-r--r-- 1 jelly src 82454899 Jan 14 23:17 linux-2.6.39.tar.pbz2 |
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| 22:21.06 | haylo | wow lb is clearly wayyy better |
| 22:21.16 | haylo | :D |
| 22:21.35 | engla | hid3: I got an SSD and with that, slow compression algorithms are less interesting; ideally the compression tool should keep up with the disk |
| 22:21.36 | hid3 | well, the size and speed should be compared to bzip2 and not pbzip2 to lbzip2 |
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| 22:21.56 | Brigo | b0ss_: no, it is not. |
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| 22:22.27 | alfplayer | b0ss_: there's a log file /var/log/dpkg.log |
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| 22:24.05 | Hugh_Man | /msg NickServ IDENTIFY foo password |
| 22:24.59 | haylo | there is also "cruft" for identifying non-debian packages b0ss_ . And like alfplayer said the logs in /var. You can just open up "aptitude" and peruse the debian packages as well |
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| 22:26.31 | b0ss_ | haylo: so the apps get registered in a log file. At most ? Please don't take it personaly |
| 22:26.52 | sney | b0ss_, gnome also has a registry-like thing called gconf which manages settings for certain gui programs etc |
| 22:27.14 | alfplayer | now it's dconf |
| 22:27.17 | sney | for registering program installs, that's a package manager |
| 22:27.21 | sney | right, gconf, dconf |
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| 22:28.07 | alfplayer | b0ss_: why "at most"? |
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| 22:29.02 | alfplayer | things are done differently on distros |
| 22:29.14 | b0ss_ | alfplayer: I see. |
| 22:29.21 | alfplayer | it's a different solution |
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| 22:29.39 | b0ss_ | so our Debian just keeps all apps in dpkg.log ? |
| 22:29.59 | sney | b0ss_, applications that are installed through the package manager are registered in the package manager's database. applications that you install some manual way are not registered except in some cases through ld.so.conf |
| 22:30.11 | haylo | open up "aptitude" b0ss_ |
| 22:30.16 | haylo | as root |
| 22:30.42 | invariant | sney, don't you mean textfile instead of database? |
| 22:30.44 | haylo | all of your installed packages are listed there |
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| 22:32.01 | haylo | also you can run "dpkg --get-selections" |
| 22:32.05 | sney | invariant, many databases are formatted as text files. |
| 22:32.30 | invariant | sney, not any efficient or good ones. |
| 22:33.10 | sney | anyway, is there a debian support question in here somewhere? |
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| 22:33.48 | streuner_ | as long as he using Debian, it is |
| 22:34.01 | sney | had that cold shower yet, streuner_? |
| 22:34.19 | jelly-home | streuner_: "why is dpkg slow" isn't really a question this channel can solve or help with |
| 22:34.33 | streuner_ | sney: sure, i didnt ask him if he using Debian yet |
| 22:34.53 | streuner_ | jelly-home: true |
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| 22:35.23 | sney | there is no reason apt/dpkg couldn't be patched and modified to use e.g. sqlite instead of flat files. but I bet there's been discussion of it. this is one of those times that knowing regular expressions could come in handy |
| 22:35.42 | sney | so much -devel to search |
| 22:36.21 | engla | I don't think anyone wants that |
| 22:36.27 | jelly-home | sney: I have a T-shirt stating I know regular expressions... it doesn't help with C coding at all. |
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| 22:37.31 | AimHere | Regular expressions only help with making your perl scripts unreadable, and with catching serial killers |
| 22:38.01 | sney | jelly-home, I meant to find the d-devel email where someone like KiBi rudely explains why it would be stupid to change apt/dpkg's database format |
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| 22:40.31 | streuner_ | sney: ask KibI, he would prolly know about it :-P |
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| 22:42.15 | sney | it might be before his time. that was just an example. anyway. |
| 22:42.20 | sney | /ot |
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| 22:43.24 | Grey4 | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:44.25 | sney | swap isn't bootable |
| 22:44.38 | sney | also, bootable flags are pretty much just a dos leftover that grub doesn't even use |
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| 22:47.58 | Grey4 | :sney: thanks. So do I need to even bother with setting up the bootable flags on the / or home? |
| 22:48.10 | sney | no |
| 22:48.33 | Grey4 | thanks |
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| 22:49.27 | Grey4 | My swap is 8GB my root is 100 GB and my home is 1.9TB....I have 16Gb of RAM. Is this a good partion u think? |
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| 22:49.48 | jelly-home | hid3: my pbzip2 test was faulty, tho. http://paste.debian.net/224726/ |
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| 22:57.25 | mmnicolas | Grey4: I have a 128mb swap partition and 8gb of ram, I rarely see it anything in that 128mb |
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| 23:08.51 | xzased_ | Hi all, I'm trying to run curl from a preseed environment to make calls to an api during both pre and post install |
| 23:09.24 | xzased_ | I've tried using d-i preseed/early_command string anna-install curl-udeb |
| 23:09.43 | xzased_ | and d-i preseed/late_command string apt-install curl |
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| 23:10.37 | xzased_ | but I still can't call curl in either late or early command |
| 23:10.59 | xzased_ | d-i preseed/late_command string curl http://myapi/api |
| 23:11.11 | xzased_ | any ideas will be appreciated |
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| 23:12.06 | jelly-home | xzased_: might get better help in d-i channel, #debian-boot on irc.debian.org (= irc.oftc.net) |
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| 23:15.34 | xzased_ | thanks jelly-home |
| 23:15.50 | Grey4 | o/ i've finished my RAID 1 setup, but do I now need to add a RAID 0 MD device? |
| 23:16.43 | jelly-home | Grey4: with only two disks present? no |
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| 23:17.35 | Grey4 | cheers! |
| 23:18.45 | Grey4 | I've got a "no root file system defined" |
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| 23:29.34 | xsappyx | Grey4: first boot on that raid1? did you get a grub boot menu at least? what is the root set to? |
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| 23:32.49 | Grey4 | I'm basically doing a fresh install of debian...I've created my RAID 1 MD drives. I want to press the "finish partionaing and write changes to disk. But I get "no root filesystem defined". |
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| 23:35.16 | xsappyx | Grey4: in the partitioner then, select the raid device up top and i think it is like "Mount As" select / |
| 23:35.24 | xsappyx | Grey4: or something close to that |
| 23:35.42 | Grey4 | awesome...thanks I'm following a guide that mentions this.. |
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| 23:51.25 | maciejjo | hello |
| 23:51.39 | maciejjo | how do i mount RAID partition? |
| 23:51.51 | maciejjo | its RAID1 created in debian install |
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| 23:52.16 | maciejjo | disk with root file system was replaced and system reinstalled |
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| 23:52.40 | maciejjo | and now i have to mount /var and /home, they are on LVM on RAID1 array |
| 23:53.00 | maciejjo | but I am not sure how to do it properly |
| 23:53.40 | abrotman | are they in your fstab ? |
| 23:53.45 | maciejjo | no |
| 23:54.00 | maciejjo | I detached them during install |
| 23:54.08 | maciejjo | and now reatached |
| 23:54.19 | Rienzilla | mount /dev/mapper/blah /somewhere |
| 23:54.27 | Rienzilla | that is, if the lvm's are active |
| 23:54.39 | Rienzilla | (lvdisplay to list your lvms) |
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| 23:55.11 | maciejjo | they aren't, I didn't mounted RAID yey |
| 23:55.14 | maciejjo | yet* |
| 23:56.24 | maciejjo | I am not sure how to do it, should I create new array? |
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| 23:58.21 | maciejjo | is it sufficient to copy mdadm.conf from old system? |
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