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| 00:00.30 | hacfi | I just setup a debian 6.0.6 server and I'm trying to install percona-server-server-5.5 via apt-get but it depends on libmysqlclient18 which depends on mysql-common |
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| 00:00.53 | hacfi | how should I install it? with mysql-common (which might conflict with percona)?? |
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| 00:01.08 | abrotman | hacfi: doesn't sonud like it's meant for squeeze? |
| 00:01.15 | abrotman | judd: versions libmysqlclient18 |
| 00:01.16 | judd | Package: libmysqlclient18 on i386 -- wheezy: 5.5.28+dfsg-1; sid: 5.5.29+dfsg-1 |
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| 00:01.58 | abrotman | has no idea what percona is |
| 00:02.30 | hacfi | abrotman: an alternative to mysql |
| 00:02.39 | hacfi | abrotman: http://www.percona.com/software/percona-server |
| 00:05.26 | abrotman | hacfi: doesn't sonud like much of an alternative if it depends on it? |
| 00:05.44 | hacfi | it doesn't depend on it |
| 00:06.00 | hacfi | libmysqlclient18 isn't from oracle |
| 00:06.14 | hacfi | it's just a library with support for sql |
| 00:06.23 | hacfi | percona sits on top of mysql |
| 00:06.38 | abrotman | so it's not an alternative at all |
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| 00:07.13 | hacfi | well..instead of installing mysql-server you install percona-server |
| 00:07.22 | xsappyx | hacfi: http://www.percona.com/doc/percona-server/5.5/installation.html?id=percona-server:installation:from-repositories |
| 00:07.37 | abrotman | but it depends on mysql-server? |
| 00:07.42 | abrotman | oh, mysql-common |
| 00:07.49 | Towzzer | percona is great |
| 00:08.02 | xsappyx | abrotman: he needs more of the debs percona ships i think |
| 00:08.15 | hacfi | xsappyx: thanks...I think I have to install it from source |
| 00:09.21 | Towzzer | percona has a repo |
| 00:09.28 | abrotman | that's what the link is above |
| 00:09.57 | abrotman | but that's not meant for Debian Squeeze |
| 00:10.23 | abrotman | http://www.percona.com/doc/percona-server/5.1/installation.html |
| 00:10.23 | hacfi | I've never installed .deb files directly :$ |
| 00:10.31 | hacfi | abrotman: 5.5 |
| 00:10.34 | abrotman | that's probably a much better chance of working |
| 00:10.35 | hacfi | not 5.1 |
| 00:10.40 | abrotman | hacfi: okay .. fine, do it your way .. good luck |
| 00:10.48 | abrotman | clearly, i'm an idiot .. |
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| 00:15.26 | maciejjo | how do I mount lvm volumes? |
| 00:18.05 | hacfi | got it..manually installed libmysqlclient18 from the percona downloads section |
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| 00:22.17 | xsappyx | maciejjo: what do 'dmsetup status' and 'lvs' show? (probably pastebin them, if anything) |
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| 00:26.28 | maciejjo | xsappyx: http://pastebin.com/eAe8nJ12 |
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| 00:31.59 | harovali | hi, what's missing to run make menuconfig ? Here is the error message trail http://pastebin.com/Vhvhy9W6 , any hint is welcome |
| 00:32.18 | themill | !kernel build-deps |
| 00:32.18 | dpkg | To compile a kernel the Debian Way using make-kpkg, "aptitude install kernel-package build-essential". If you want to use "make menuconfig", then install libncurses-dev. If you want to use "make xconfig", then install libqt3-mt-dev (and also make sure that all your alternatives point to qt3 versions not qt4). Also ask me about <kernel compile> <make-kpkg> <kp mantra>. |
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| 00:32.46 | themill | (that's perhaps not the issue here though) |
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| 00:34.03 | xsappyx | maciejjo: looks like everything is wired up correctly, you're looking for you var and home directories, right? try mounting /dev/mapper/lvmgroup-home |
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| 00:35.41 | maciejjo | ok, they mount properly, but i want to replace home and var that were installed with new system, do I just add them to fstab? |
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| 00:40.14 | xsappyx | maciejjo: i prefer to clean up the junk that is there now instead of just mounting over the top. home should be safe.. did you install the same os version here that was around previously? why var on lvm but nothing else? check what is currently in that clean /var and see if anything needs moved over to the lvm version |
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| 00:44.40 | maciejjo | the system is exactly the same, debian squeeze, I reinstalled because of HDD fault, and now want to recover it to the state it was |
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| 00:48.11 | xsappyx | maciejjo: then ya, you can put those in fstab to bring them up on boot. root wasn't on the raid1 eh? |
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| 00:50.49 | maciejjo | xsappyx: no, root was on separate disk |
| 00:51.10 | pythonsnake | anyone use apache here? |
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| 00:58.02 | maciejjo | anybody uses ISPConfig3? |
| 00:58.30 | wols | !anyone uses ISPConfig3 |
| 00:59.07 | wols | maciejjo: just ask your real question |
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| 01:00.02 | maciejjo | ok, I need to recover Ispconfig from old install to new |
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| 01:00.23 | fishcooker | is there any package to edit my gui grub on ubuntu? |
| 01:00.34 | fishcooker | *oops debian i mean :p |
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| 01:03.20 | maciejjo | where are mysql databases by default? |
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| 01:05.24 | CpuID2 | hey ppls? is it possible to get dpkg options on a per package basis? either in /etc/dpkg/* somewhere or in the package control file? |
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| 01:05.34 | CpuID2 | s/get/set |
| 01:05.43 | xsappyx | maciejjo: /var/lib/mysql/ |
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| 01:06.04 | wols | CpuID2: what options? |
| 01:06.16 | maciejjo | ok, when i replaced /var i got 'Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock' |
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| 01:06.22 | maciejjo | delete the file? |
| 01:06.27 | CpuID2 | wols: trying to set force-confold for a specific package only (but not dependencies/package that depend on it) |
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| 01:06.41 | CpuID2 | the only option now is to specify it with -o Dpkg::Options on install/upgrade |
| 01:06.45 | CpuID2 | but that will do the dep plus the top level pkg |
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| 01:06.56 | CpuID2 | and not just the explicit .deb i want that option honoured in |
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| 01:07.15 | xsappyx | maciejjo: does that file exist? |
| 01:07.16 | wols | apt-get install explicit .deb with the option |
| 01:07.18 | wols | only way afaik |
| 01:07.21 | CpuID2 | ack fail ok |
| 01:07.30 | maciejjo | yes, it exists |
| 01:07.32 | CpuID2 | that sucks? oh well ill deal with it i spose |
| 01:07.33 | CpuID2 | workaround |
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| 01:09.04 | xsappyx | maciejjo: is mysql installed and running? you might want to back up the mysql data dir before installing, if you need to |
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| 01:09.22 | maciejjo | in is installed |
| 01:09.33 | maciejjo | it runs with the var created with the install |
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| 01:09.51 | tharkun | Ok, Hands up! nobody moves!, WHO KILLED THE BOT? |
| 01:09.56 | maciejjo | but when mounted var from old install it won't run |
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| 01:10.26 | m0ksha | is anyone familiar with MPI clusters? |
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| 01:11.03 | tharkun | maciejjo: mysql is a bl__y ba____d that will fu__ your upgrading process unless you make db dumps using mysqldump |
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| 01:11.38 | maciejjo | ok, just dump all databases? |
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| 01:12.05 | tharkun | maciejjo: using the old mysql. Upgrade to the new version and restore your backup |
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| 01:22.08 | maciejjo | does mysql need something else than /var/run/mysqld and /var/lib/mysql to run? |
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| 01:23.06 | abrotman | like libraries and things? |
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| 01:25.29 | maciejjo | like things in /var directory |
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| 01:26.08 | maciejjo | i copied old /var/lib/mysql and /var/run/mysqld to new /var partition and it won't run |
| 01:26.31 | maciejjo | when i use old /var it starts fine |
| 01:26.33 | Towzzer | did you change the location in the configuration |
| 01:26.40 | Towzzer | also delete the ibdata files |
| 01:26.48 | maciejjo | i use the same location |
| 01:26.59 | Towzzer | permissions on the directory? |
| 01:27.06 | maciejjo | ok, i'll look into that |
| 01:27.09 | Towzzer | chown -R mysql:mysql mysql |
| 01:27.21 | maciejjo | where are ibdata files? |
| 01:27.42 | Towzzer | you don't need to delete those, I thought you changed locatins |
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| 01:27.45 | dvs | Wouldnt /var/run/mysqld be a lock file of some sort? |
| 01:27.45 | Towzzer | check the permissions |
| 01:27.47 | Towzzer | it's probably that |
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| 01:27.59 | themill | "won't run" isn't particularly informative |
| 01:28.22 | Towzzer | the default debian location is /var/lib/mysql |
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| 01:28.33 | Towzzer | /var/run/mysql has a lock file and a pid file, i think |
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| 01:31.04 | maciejjo | it doesnt run after changing permissions |
| 01:31.06 | sizur | help! i'm running under X but links are opening using www-browser instead of x-www-browser. how to fix this? |
| 01:31.19 | maciejjo | do i need to change permissions in /var/run/mysqld as well? |
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| 01:32.23 | sizur | aside from linking www-browser to x-www-browser |
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| 01:34.33 | maciejjo | ok |
| 01:34.38 | maciejjo | changed these permisions |
| 01:34.42 | maciejjo | and it runs :) |
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| 01:34.57 | Wasmosy | its me again, Im trying to increase alsa buffersize on debian, is there a guide or tutto for it? |
| 01:35.32 | Wasmosy | im having problem with sound skipping |
| 01:36.05 | abrotman | did you ask #alsa? |
| 01:36.42 | Wasmosy | nobody answered |
| 01:37.56 | Wasmosy | the alsa prealloc is 64 on debian, like anydoby can doing cat to "/proc/asound/card0/pcm0p/sub0/prealloc", and I readed on google that the recommended is 128 for playing mp3 |
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| 01:38.27 | Wasmosy | and I cant modify it with echo 128 >> /proc/asound/card0/pcm0p/sub0/prealloc |
| 01:39.00 | Wasmosy | it stays in 64 |
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| 01:39.35 | hellyeah | hey |
| 01:39.38 | hellyeah | whats up |
| 01:40.01 | Wasmosy | hellyeah: audio skipping problems, can you help me? xD |
| 01:40.01 | Infiltrator | Wasmosy: Try doing just > |
| 01:40.10 | Wasmosy | Infiltrator: ok, |
| 01:40.22 | hellyeah | wut |
| 01:40.23 | hellyeah | :D |
| 01:40.39 | Wasmosy | Infiltrator: the same, I can't modify that value |
| 01:40.40 | Wasmosy | S : |
| 01:41.00 | Infiltrator | Wasmosy: Are you getting a permissions error? In that case sudo it. |
| 01:41.49 | Wasmosy | Infiltrator: http://pastebin.com/g0Dzftee, no error at all ... |
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| 01:57.01 | maciejjo | interesting fact, I just plugged drive that falied earlier to check if I could restore some files and it started emitting smoke. |
| 01:57.20 | maciejjo | but it mounted without any problems and I was able to recover files |
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| 01:57.41 | Infiltrator | maciejjo: Nice. |
| 01:58.16 | Infiltrator | Wasmosy: You're echoing to and catting different files there... |
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| 02:01.53 | Yoshi1 | how do i get gnash to autoplay youtube videos |
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| 02:06.49 | Wasmosy | Infiltrator: nope, its the same dir ... S: |
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| 02:10.31 | Infiltrator | Wasmosy: Nevermind; ignore me. |
| 02:10.51 | anona | Yoshi1, easy: download then auto-play |
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| 02:11.08 | Infiltrator | Wasmosy: I can however tell you that something seems to be writing to it all the time. |
| 02:11.30 | Infiltrator | Wasmosy: vimming it tells me when I try to write that the file has changed since openning it. |
| 02:11.52 | Infiltrator | Wasmosy: So perhaps you can try to configure alsa though its config files in /etc/alsa/ I think. |
| 02:12.53 | Yoshi1 | anona: so gnash doesnt have that ability. is that so hard to say? downloading a series of videos is not an ideal solution |
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| 02:15.56 | engla | if you download youtube videos you don't want to use gnash anyway |
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| 02:17.22 | Yoshi1 | engla: precisely |
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| 02:18.19 | anona | but if somebody want answer for 'gnash' ... |
| 02:18.20 | MrWGW- | hey there, how do I get dpkg -l without the extraneous crap? I just need the package names that are installed |
| 02:18.24 | MrWGW- | like the output of rpm -qa |
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| 02:19.25 | MrWGW- | or alternately, a command that will ensure all the packages installed on system A are also instlaled on system b |
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| 02:20.03 | MrWGW- | on my rpm boxes I usually go rpm -qa > installed-sw; then on the other box, for i in `cat installed-sw`; do yum -y install $i; done |
| 02:21.34 | Towzzer | dpkg --list |awk '{print$2}' |
| 02:21.35 | dpkg | Towzzer: i haven't a clue |
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| 02:23.32 | MrWGW- | Towzzer: cool |
| 02:23.45 | MrWGW- | too bad though if there isn't a direct dpkg command to do it |
| 02:24.01 | MrWGW- | although at least awk is POSIX so its not as though having to pipe through awk is zomgterrible |
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| 02:26.05 | abrotman | !tell MrWGW- about installed |
| 02:26.25 | Towzzer | cat file |grep 'item' |
| 02:26.26 | Towzzer | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:26.45 | trist4n | no Towzzer no. |
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| 02:27.23 | abrotman | !uuoc Towzzer |
| 02:27.23 | dpkg | hands Towzzer the "useless use of cat" award |
| 02:28.00 | engla | I don't see the problem |
| 02:28.33 | haylo | Towzzer: grep "string" file_name no need to concatenate the file first |
| 02:28.44 | engla | unix commands were created to mate through pipes |
| 02:29.02 | engla | it's like a celebration of life (or maybe nolife rather) itself |
| 02:29.06 | maciejjo | I cannot install any package after replacing /var with /var from old install |
| 02:29.06 | Towzzer | that was a joke |
| 02:29.09 | Towzzer | holy cow |
| 02:29.29 | maciejjo | i get E: Unable to locate package |
| 02:29.42 | maciejjo | after apt-get install |
| 02:29.53 | maciejjo | i did apt-get update first |
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| 02:33.32 | abrotman | maciejjo: use a pastebin |
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| 02:42.31 | neoice | what tool(s) are responsible for configuring font/resolution on a raw TTY? my wheezy install looks terrible compared to most liveCDs |
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| 02:44.35 | Tordek | I'm looking for wx-config, and apt-file only names wx-common, but it's not there. is this a bug or am I missing something? |
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| 02:46.14 | abrotman | Tordek: did you run apt-file update ? |
| 02:46.49 | gnarface | neoice: you can override it at the toolkit level but alot of people forget to set a proper DPI at the X-server level, which at some resolutions can give you weird font sizes/grainyness |
| 02:47.00 | Tordek | abrotman: yep |
| 02:47.45 | abrotman | Tordek: which version of Debian? |
| 02:47.51 | Tordek | wheezy |
| 02:48.02 | abrotman | judd: file wx-config --release wheezy |
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| 02:48.07 | judd | No packages in wheezy/i386 were found with that file. |
| 02:48.14 | abrotman | that's fun |
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| 02:51.23 | Infiltrator | neoice: I think it's either console-data or console-setup. |
| 02:51.41 | Infiltrator | neoice: Those are the packages, by the way; you would dpkg-reconfigure them. |
| 02:51.46 | maciejjo | what should i do to fix logging in debian? |
| 02:51.52 | maciejjo | i replaced /var directory |
| 02:52.03 | Infiltrator | maciejjo: What's broken? |
| 02:52.06 | maciejjo | and nothing writes to logfiles now |
| 02:52.26 | Infiltrator | maciejjo: How did you replace it? |
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| 02:52.51 | Infiltrator | You can try restarting the loggers; that should pick up the new folder (assuming that you removed the /var folder). |
| 02:52.59 | Tordek | judd: file wx-config --release squeeze |
| 02:53.03 | judd | No packages in squeeze/i386 were found with that file. |
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| 02:53.17 | maciejjo | i used /var from old install, i just mounted it as /var |
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| 02:53.31 | maciejjo | ok |
| 02:53.38 | maciejjo | afeter restarting rsyslogd |
| 02:53.40 | maciejjo | it works |
| 02:54.05 | Tordek | abrotman: looks like a bug, then; because there is a manpage for that file ;[ |
| 02:54.06 | Infiltrator | maciejjo: Note that if you "just mounted it" there still exists whatever was in /var before. |
| 02:54.36 | maciejjo | yes, but i moved this var to another place |
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| 02:55.44 | abrotman | Tordek: or your package is out of date |
| 02:56.15 | abrotman | Tordek: also, i ran across a bug in apt-file a few months ago, realized my indexes weren't updating correctly, so sutff was totally out of date |
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| 02:57.04 | abrotman | Tordek: that's special .. the man page is there, but no binary |
| 02:57.16 | Tordek | abrotman: that's what I said ;[ |
| 02:57.39 | abrotman | Tordek: oh cute, it's in that package .. but not in the package list .. possibly created by the postinst |
| 02:57.43 | abrotman | looks |
| 02:57.51 | Tordek | hmm |
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| 02:58.28 | abrotman | nope |
| 02:59.35 | abrotman | Tordek: moment |
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| 02:59.47 | Tordek | sits down |
| 02:59.59 | abrotman | wheezy, right ? |
| 03:00.02 | abrotman | i386? |
| 03:00.39 | abrotman | Tordek: it's not in the current package |
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| 03:00.59 | Tordek | amd64 |
| 03:02.38 | abrotman | don't think it matters .. |
| 03:04.05 | Tordek | would it be possible to install an older version containing the package? |
| 03:04.07 | Tordek | *binary |
| 03:04.32 | abrotman | !tell Tordek about sdn |
| 03:04.34 | abrotman | good luck! |
| 03:04.40 | Tordek | lol |
| 03:04.53 | maciejjo | how to dump and restore mysql databases? |
| 03:05.15 | Tordek | maciejjo: "mysqldump" |
| 03:05.33 | maciejjo | mysqldump -u root -p[root_password] [database_name] > dumpfilename.sql |
| 03:05.38 | maciejjo | this will do the job? |
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| 03:07.57 | maciejjo | how do I dump database that isn't in mysql sever but in folder in old mysql dir? |
| 03:08.15 | orbitwhite | hey guys, running debian on my laptop and it has abnormal amount of ram, because in peaks load reaches something about 700-800mb while there is 8gb, i came to ask for tips on how to use it for good purpose =) |
| 03:08.17 | maciejjo | or can I just copy the folders from old mysql to new? |
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| 03:11.21 | maciejjo | copying seems to work, when i do show databases in mysql shell it shows the ones that i simpy copied |
| 03:11.29 | orbitwhite | maciejjo, u can pick up databases u need in /var/lib/mysql |
| 03:11.36 | Yoshi1 | anyone know where i can get some good loud sounds for the alarmclock app? |
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| 03:12.28 | Towzzer | I can scream into the microphone :D |
| 03:12.30 | maciejjo | orbitwhite: but can I just copy them from old install to new working mysql server? |
| 03:12.38 | fishcooker | how to know that my box using ivy bridge rather than sandy bridge? |
| 03:13.08 | gnarface | Yoshi1: play -n -c1 synth sin %-1 sin %-1 sin %-1 sin %-2 fade h 0.1 1 0.1 |
| 03:13.30 | abrotman | fishcooker: /msg dpkg whats my hardware |
| 03:13.44 | gnarface | Yoshi1: or here, better yet. play -n -c1 synth sin %-1 sin %-1 sin %-1 sin %-1 fade h 0.1 3 0.1 |
| 03:13.49 | gnarface | sounds like emergency broadcast system |
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| 03:13.57 | fishcooker | what do you mean abrotman? |
| 03:14.39 | abrotman | dpkg: tell fishcooker about whats my hardware |
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| 03:15.04 | Yoshi1 | gnarface: play is not a known command |
| 03:15.17 | gnarface | Yoshi1: its in the sox package |
| 03:15.28 | Sidze | gnarface, mplayer ? |
| 03:15.51 | gnarface | Sidze: no, sox |
| 03:16.02 | fishcooker | abrotman: dpkg that for install package, isnt it? |
| 03:16.10 | abrotman | gives up |
| 03:16.12 | Yoshi1 | wow yes that sound will definitly do |
| 03:16.52 | gnarface | Yoshi1: if you play with the %-numbers you can change the sound. there are details in the manual |
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| 03:17.22 | Yoshi1 | thanks |
| 03:17.29 | gnarface | no problem |
| 03:17.40 | Yoshi1 | maybe turn down the volume on it |
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| 03:19.43 | Yoshi1 | grrr alarmclock wont take the command |
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| 03:22.27 | gnarface | sorry i don't know crap about alarmclock. in theory you should easily be able to use sox to write that sound to a file that anything can play though |
| 03:23.06 | gnarface | also i suppose its possible you just need to escape the command properly |
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| 03:28.25 | Tordek | abrotman: o..k...? I don't know exactly what I installed, but it managed to give me wx-config. I think it was libwxgtk2.8-dev |
| 03:28.37 | abrotman | heh |
| 03:28.51 | Tordek | thanks for the help :) |
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| 03:30.18 | fishcooker | thankyou abrotman: for the demicode |
| 03:30.35 | fishcooker | mine is sandy bridge .. i wish the ivy LoL |
| 03:30.46 | fishcooker | for the performance |
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| 04:01.46 | Alysum | hi -I was wondering how to debian repos manage to have multiple versions of a package which is impossible to achieve with e.g. reprepro |
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| 04:29.10 | Infiltrator | In response to Alysum's query, I thought that each Debian repo only had the one version? And then if you add say both squeeze and dbo to your sources.list, that's how you get more than one version? Or am I missing something here? |
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| 04:31.59 | fezziwig | Hey Nautilus, still there? |
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| 04:32.32 | fezziwig | Anywayz... I am having some trouble with blocks not showing up for anyone - search form and user login |
| 04:33.01 | fezziwig | I am using context, which seems to be working as I was able to place "Powered by Drupal" in my sidebar |
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| 04:59.56 | maciejjo | Thanks for all who helped me, goodnight |
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| 05:28.50 | hellyeah | hey |
| 05:29.05 | hellyeah | can you suggest a way to enter "forbidden website" |
| 05:30.16 | Infiltrator | hellyeah: Talk to whomever forbade you from entering it? |
| 05:31.23 | hellyeah | :D |
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| 05:32.18 | engla | say friend |
| 05:32.46 | Infiltrator | ...and enter? |
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| 06:12.50 | Yoshi1 | hmmm ok dpkg gives instructions for squeeze how do you install vnidia drivers on wheezy? |
| 06:13.19 | Infiltrator | Yoshi1: Install the nvidia packages? |
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| 06:16.45 | Yoshi1 | Infiltrator: know which package i need for the 540m? |
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| 06:17.12 | awc737 | is there any known issue with a sub.sub.domain using vhost |
| 06:17.23 | awc737 | the sub.sub just reverts back to the /var/www documentn root |
| 06:19.01 | Infiltrator | Yoshi1: Check the nvidia and nvidia-legacy packages for their descriptions. |
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| 06:30.38 | awc737 | ? |
| 06:31.51 | nvz | bah.. random anomolies suck.. I got debian squeeze running on my desktop, and there is a PXE server on it, I got two laptops here both booted to parted magic from the desktop, they're both using ssh -X nvz@10.1.0.10 to run VLC.. however one has been doing it flawlessly the whole day, the other randomly craps out.. |
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| 06:32.27 | awc737 | ahh i need a double subdomain |
| 06:32.27 | nvz | I mean its still playing, but it seems to randomly show no video when switching files.. the audio still plays |
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| 06:33.09 | nvz | the only difference here would be the hardware.. both are running the exact same image from the exact same machine, running vlc from that same machine as the same user.. |
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| 06:34.58 | nvz | running vlc again from the same ssh -X term on the machine fails to create video output, but closing the term and opening a new one and a new ssh -X session, and it goes back to working for at least one video |
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| 06:38.57 | nvz | problem I'm having here is the whole both machines are doing EXACTLY the same thing using all the same methods.. so it HAS to be this one laptop's hardware somehow.. but the messages on terminal seem to say its the server |
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| 06:39.13 | nvz | http://paste.debian.net/224792 |
| 06:39.19 | ssbr` | if apt-get tells me that packages have been held back, how do I look up why they weren't upgraded? |
| 06:39.30 | ssbr` | ("0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 26 not upgraded.") |
| 06:39.53 | Yoshi1 | hmmm still the same damn problem |
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| 06:40.16 | Yoshi1 | anyone mind taking a look and seeing if theres an error in the xorg thats being created by nvidia-xconfig? |
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| 06:43.38 | Infiltrator | ssbr`: You could try aptitude. |
| 06:44.37 | Infiltrator | Yoshi1: What's the error that you're getting? |
| 06:45.55 | nvz | or perhaps more importantly, what did you do to break it? |
| 06:46.12 | ssbr` | Infiltrator: okay, how do I get aptitude to tell me why they weren't upgraded? |
| 06:47.02 | Yoshi1 | Infiltrator: the boot process stops after starting gdm3 and the screen flickers rapidly so if i try to alt f1 to a tty i get a second of screen then black |
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| 06:49.17 | nvz | Yoshi1: then you'll need to examine the log and for now until you get X working, stop gdm3 and start x manually using xinit or such |
| 06:49.39 | nvz | Yoshi1: the problem is likely that you have "nvidia" set as the driver but that kernel module is not loaded |
| 06:49.43 | Yoshi1 | nvz: i cant stop gdm3 |
| 06:50.32 | nvz | Yoshi1: sounds like a personal problem... if need be, start single user and update-rc.d -f gdm3 remove |
| 06:50.55 | nvz | Yoshi1: after you've gotten x to start manually then you can update-rc.d gdm3 default |
| 06:50.58 | Infiltrator | Yoshi1: You should be able to ssh in; otherwise choose the recovery mode or whatever it's called these days. |
| 06:51.01 | nvz | *defaults |
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| 06:51.32 | Infiltrator | ssbr`: Try to upgrade (U) and it should tell you. |
| 06:51.35 | Yoshi1 | Infiltrator: i only have one comp. yeah i can do recovery mode but i dont know what to do in recovery mode to fix the problem other then remove xorg.conf |
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| 06:53.13 | nvz | Yoshi1: firststep is to stop gdm3 from running if its preventing you from doing anything on the machine, then read the log, then solve the problem mentioned in the log |
| 06:53.39 | nvz | the most common problem is that your kernel module is not loaded, you can check with lsmod | grep nvidia |
| 06:54.07 | nvz | happened to me the other day when I booted a kernel that didn't have the driver |
| 06:54.16 | Yoshi1 | nvidia 11214135 0 ; i2c_core 23876 7 i2c_algo_bit,i2c_i801,drm,drm_kms_helper,i915,videodev,nvidia |
| 06:54.16 | ssbr` | Infiltrator: it's mysteriously upgrading them where apt-get didn't |
| 06:54.23 | ssbr` | Infiltrator: is aptitude the thing to use, rather than apt-get? |
| 06:55.03 | bniels | !tell ssbr` about why aptitude |
| 06:55.21 | Infiltrator | ssbr`: What apt-get command did you run? |
| 06:55.31 | nvz | Yoshi1: grep EE /var/log/X11/Xorg.0.log |
| 06:55.43 | Infiltrator | Also what bniels said. |
| 06:55.57 | nvz | if thats the right logfile location.. I'm ircing from my mips router.. so... no tab completion of that since it doesnt have X |
| 06:56.05 | Yoshi1 | nvz: no such directory |
| 06:56.15 | nvz | Yoshi1: the tab key is your friend |
| 06:56.24 | ssbr` | Infiltrator: apt-get upgrade |
| 06:56.30 | bniels | Yoshi1, nvz, without the X11 part in the path |
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| 06:57.05 | Yoshi1 | [ 26.904] (EE) Failed to initialize GLX extension (Compatible NVIDIA X driver not found) |
| 06:57.07 | Yoshi1 | is that what your looking for? |
| 06:57.12 | ssbr` | bniels: thanks |
| 06:57.32 | nvz | Yoshi1: that sounds like it could be fatal... soudns like you have the kernel driver and not the X driver |
| 06:57.48 | nvz | Yoshi1: if you used the debian method, this would be nvidia-glx I think |
| 06:58.28 | Yoshi1 | nvz: pretty sure i installed nvidia glx since i used synaptic to do it |
| 06:59.17 | nvz | Yoshi1: yeah well according to that message you either do not have an NVIDIA X driver or its not compatible with the kernel driver you have loaded.. I can't do everything.. you gotta make some judgement calls on your own :-P |
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| 06:59.41 | nvz | Yoshi1: if thats not the ONLY EE line, then it may not be the FATAL error crashing the X server |
| 06:59.57 | nvz | but it sounds like a fatal error to me |
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| 07:00.52 | Yoshi1 | nvz: there were two other lines one (WW) warning, (EE) error, (NI) not implemented, (??) unknown. and the other about loading MIT-SCREEN-SAVER |
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| 07:01.43 | nvz | Yoshi1: yeah well those def arent fatal server errors.. sounds like either the glx driver doesnt exist or doesnt match the kernel driver |
| 07:02.19 | Yoshi1 | nvz: hmmmm according to synaptic nvidia-kernel-amd64 isnt installed |
| 07:02.33 | Yoshi1 | nvz: could that be the issue? |
| 07:02.34 | nvz | Yoshi1: this is why I hinted around originally about hearing what you did to break it, rather than what the error is |
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| 07:02.55 | nvz | Yoshi1: no, thats probably just an empty metapackage and its for a kernel driver which you say lsmod shows loaded already |
| 07:03.26 | nvz | the package with the glx driver I believe is called nvidia-glx |
| 07:03.36 | Yoshi1 | nvz: yeah thats installed |
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| 07:04.20 | nvz | Yoshi1: well if you're really clueless and need more hints, I'd say its time to show us your sources list and get that background story I've been hinting at.. like what YOU DID.. |
| 07:05.05 | Yoshi1 | nvz: i installed nvidia-glx from synaptic installed nvidia-xconfig ran the xconfig and rebooted |
| 07:05.05 | nvz | cause sounds like you aren't using debian stable packages or did something foolish.. so we need a formal statement of your actions that broke your machine |
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| 07:05.22 | nvz | !depends nvidia-glx |
| 07:05.36 | Yoshi1 | !depends nvidia-glx |
| 07:05.46 | nvz | please do not do that |
| 07:06.10 | nvz | the bot is slow enough on its own.. heh |
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| 07:06.36 | nvz | I'm trying to gather how you ended up with the nvidia kernel module loaded when you didnt install it according to your formal statement |
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| 07:06.56 | nvz | because all you say you did was install the glx driver and the config writer utility |
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| 07:08.15 | nvz | ..and I just checked p.d.o since dpkg is being lame.. says nvidia-glx def will NOT pull the kernel driver |
| 07:08.22 | Yoshi1 | nvz: yeah synaptic installed some other prereqs with nvidia-glx |
| 07:08.33 | nvz | so you're lying or not mentioning something |
| 07:08.43 | nvz | what does uname -r say? |
| 07:08.59 | Yoshi1 | 3.2.0-4-amd64 |
| 07:09.13 | nvz | so you built that yourself? |
| 07:09.33 | Infiltrator | nvz: I think that synaptic installs recs. |
| 07:09.39 | Yoshi1 | i did install nvidia-detect and nvidia-settings no it's a stock |
| 07:09.40 | jelly-home | Yoshi1: please pastebin the output of: aptitude -F'%a%c%M %30p %10v %10d' search '~i ?source-package(nvidia-graphics-drivers)' |
| 07:09.48 | nvz | uses synaptic everday and knows it does not |
| 07:10.14 | nvz | Infiltrator: in any case even if it was configured to.. it'd not install a kernel module for a kernel thats not in debian |
| 07:10.25 | nvz | unless he's not running stable which also explains all this |
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| 07:10.46 | nvz | which would've been splained by his sources list or a full back story |
| 07:11.14 | Yoshi1 | jelly-home: http://pastebin.com/q0nbDBwe |
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| 07:12.00 | Yoshi1 | nvz: i'm using wheezy but i got this same problem in squeezy |
| 07:12.01 | nvz | ,versions nvidia-glx |
| 07:12.02 | judd | Package: nvidia-glx on i386 -- lenny/non-free: 173.14.09-5; squeeze-proposed-updates/non-free: 195.36.31-6squeeze1; squeeze/non-free: 195.36.31-6squeeze2; squeeze-backports/non-free: 295.59-1~bpo60+1; squeeze-backports/non-free: 295.59-1~bpo60+2; wheezy/non-free: 304.64-3; sid/non-free: 304.64-4; experimental/non-free: 310.19-1 |
| 07:12.15 | jelly-home | Yoshi1: looks fine. It's a bit unusual to have both i915 and nvidia loaded at the same time; is this a laptop with hybrid graphics? |
| 07:12.20 | nvz | Yoshi1: that much became apparent.. heh |
| 07:12.34 | jelly-home | Yoshi1: can you disable the intel graphics in bios? |
| 07:12.47 | Yoshi1 | jelly-home: no i cant |
| 07:12.54 | jelly-home | why not? |
| 07:13.01 | Yoshi1 | jelly-home: it's a dell laptop |
| 07:13.19 | Yoshi1 | no such options as far as i have seen |
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| 07:13.48 | nvz | I dont see how any such issue would cause the error in question.. which clearly says the X driver is incompatible or not present |
| 07:14.10 | nvz | its not even saying the card isn't supported or not working |
| 07:14.26 | nvz | the nvidia kernel driver is loaded, so everything on the kernel/hardware end should be good |
| 07:14.36 | jelly-home | Yoshi1: at the very least you can blacklist i915 kernel driver, update initramfs, reboot and see if that makes any change |
| 07:14.56 | Yoshi1 | jelly-home: how do i blacklist it? |
| 07:15.01 | jelly-home | !blacklist |
| 07:15.01 | dpkg | To blacklist a Linux kernel module, create/edit /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.local.conf and add a line similar to this (without quotes): "blacklist module_name". If this doesn't work, do 'echo "install modulename /bin/true" >> /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.local.conf'. IMPORTANT: ask about <blacklist-initramfs>. To blacklist a module at installation time, ask me about <installer blacklist>. http://wiki.debian.org/KernelModuleBlacklisting |
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| 07:15.17 | jelly-home | !blacklist-initramfs |
| 07:15.17 | dpkg | If your kernel uses an initramfs image (e.g. Debian stock kernel images), you need to run «update-initramfs -u» in order to refresh its copy of blacklist table. Otherwise, early bootup won't follow your blacklist requests in e.g. /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.local.conf |
| 07:15.56 | Yoshi1 | so what do i put in said file to bblacklist the i915 driver? |
| 07:16.23 | jelly-home | sigh, "blacklist i915" |
| 07:16.37 | Yoshi1 | ok i wsnt sure if it was i915-otherstuff is all |
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| 07:17.14 | nvz | in any case, I'm going to bed.. and I'd recommend trying the upstream driver from nvidia's website if all else fails.. sounds to me like the problem is with nvidia-glx packages |
| 07:17.28 | jelly-home | fuck no |
| 07:17.48 | Yoshi1 | ok rebooting now |
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| 07:19.33 | nvz | heh.. w/e.. I've never had much luck with packaged video drivers.. latest upstream always works well.. and when people run into this much trouble with the packaged ones, you're defeating the purpose of using a packaged driver anyhow.. cause its not keeping things running smoothly.. |
| 07:20.28 | nvz | well I won't say never.. but last time I used em and they worked I was using a very dated card.. a Geforce 5200FX.. |
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| 07:21.15 | jelly-home | and that's pretty much how up-to-date your info is! |
| 07:21.17 | nvz | the upstream nvidia driver uses dkms now too so.. |
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| 07:22.49 | nvz | idk.. I just built this machine with this GT220 a couple months ago.. and done at least two recently with ATI graphics.. in all cases the stable drivers were too old and didn't work |
| 07:23.27 | nvz | but if you wanna keep supporting the drivers, kudos.. I only mentioned it cause I'm going back to bed, and that might actually solve his problem for now.. |
| 07:23.30 | jelly-home | a) a GT220 would have worked with squeeze-backports b) Yoshi1 isn't using squeeze at present |
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| 07:23.44 | Infiltrator | I'd try the backports ones before the NVIDIA one. |
| 07:24.02 | jelly-home | c) Debian already has the "Latest Long Lived Branch version: 310.19" in packaged form |
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| 07:25.01 | jelly-home | no reason to introduce the mess nvidia installer does before exhausting the packaged options |
| 07:25.20 | nvz | true.. but I already stayed up an hour just cause you weren't here.. haha |
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| 07:25.38 | jelly-home | go to bed dude, I'm just here before I go to work |
| 07:25.48 | nvz | was gonna just go to bed.. but felt bad he was askin and nobody was listening.. |
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| 07:26.27 | nvz | -> beds |
| 07:26.38 | jelly-home | he's been at it the whole day yesterday, a couple more hours won't hurt |
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| 07:27.41 | Yoshi1 | jelly-home: well thats interesting i ran nvidia-xconfig before rebooting same problem get rid of xorg.conf and no problem |
| 07:28.22 | jelly-home | that means you changed two things, both xorg.conf and i915, and you don't know which one is responsible |
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| 07:28.36 | jelly-home | Yoshi1: is i915 listed in lsmod now? |
| 07:28.49 | vsMS | I need help with a .deb maintainer script for installing a printer queue. Can someone help? |
| 07:29.06 | Yoshi1 | jelly-home: yes |
| 07:29.19 | jelly-home | blacklisting faied, then |
| 07:29.24 | illo | hi. i have an acer aspire one aoa150 (zg5). i use debian wheezy on it. i change kernel, i install liquorix kernel, but now i cant use sd card slots. |
| 07:29.31 | illo | versions standard kernel: 3.2.0.4 liquorix kernel: 3.7.0.2 |
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| 07:31.05 | jelly-home | illo: some kernel versions have broken PCIexpress hotplugging, which is what those SD card readers on early aspire ones use. You can verify this is the case by powering on the machine with a SD card already in |
| 07:31.09 | Infiltrator | illo: Is liquorix Debian? |
| 07:31.23 | jelly-home | illo: if that works, your kernel sucks |
| 07:31.30 | Yoshi1 | jelly-home: should i try echo "install modulename /bin/true" >> /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.local.conf? |
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| 07:31.58 | jelly-home | Yoshi1: you can, but make sure you rebuild the initramfs afterwards |
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| 07:32.14 | jelly-home | Yoshi1: but anyway... do things work now? |
| 07:32.42 | Yoshi1 | jelly-home: what do you mean do things work now? |
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| 07:33.07 | jelly-home | Yoshi1: what did "no problem" mean here: "<Yoshi1> jelly-home: well thats interesting i ran nvidia-xconfig before rebooting same problem get rid of xorg.conf and no problem" |
| 07:33.21 | tgs3 | where can I find all checksums for iso of installers, including older releases like 6.0.5 ? |
| 07:33.52 | Yoshi1 | jelly-home: it meant i can reboot and get back here. |
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| 07:34.25 | jelly-home | tgs3: right next to the old images, eg. ftp://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/archive/6.0.5/amd64/iso-cd/ |
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| 07:35.29 | Yoshi1 | brb i tried the second method given by dpkg gonna reboot |
| 07:36.09 | tgs3 | jelly-home: ok. It is confusing that "http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.5/amd64/" does not work |
| 07:36.25 | tgs3 | jelly-home: because that (though 6.0.6) is the link to installers that I found |
| 07:36.34 | tgs3 | jelly-home: can this be fixed to unconfuse users |
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| 07:37.36 | tgs3 | so /debian-cd/ is less complete then cdimage/archive/? then always use the 2nd version imo... |
| 07:37.37 | jelly-home | tgs3: you can file a bug report against "www.debian.org" virtual package and add that suggestion |
| 07:37.43 | tgs3 | jelly-home: k |
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| 07:38.16 | Yoshi1 | jelly-home: well at least it rebooted no i915 in lsmod |
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| 07:38.31 | tgs3 | jelly-home: btw, friends found bug in debian stable installer that blocks insallation (though workaround is easy). cool? |
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| 07:38.48 | cobra-the-joker | Hey guys ... can i install cpanel on debian ? |
| 07:38.52 | jelly-home | Yoshi1: but it did not make any change in X working? |
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| 07:39.49 | Yoshi1 | jelly-home: well the graphics seem skewed like stretched improperly across the screen but otherwise assukming i'm using X to use this desktop environment then no it didnt |
| 07:40.04 | jelly-home | tgs3: sure, would be even better if the bug was listed on http://bugs.debian.org/debian-installer |
| 07:40.08 | bniels | i would try with a very simple handcrafted xorg.conf instead of relying on nvidia-xconfig |
| 07:40.32 | Yoshi1 | jelly-home: but theres no nvidia in lsmod either |
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| 07:40.53 | tgs3 | jelly-home: against www.debian.org , just skip the "version" field? about installation, what package? and what version for 6.0.6 amd64 netinst |
| 07:41.14 | jelly-home | Yoshi1: that doesn't really make sense, did you remove the /etc/X11/conf.d/20-nvidia.conf file? |
| 07:41.46 | jelly-home | tgs3: I meant, just mention you can browse or find older releases and their checksums easily |
| 07:42.11 | jelly-home | tgs3: I just googled for debian cd archive instead |
| 07:42.26 | Yoshi1 | jelly-home: there is no such file |
| 07:42.39 | jelly-home | tgs3: http://cdimage.debian.org/mirror/cdimage/archive/ seems to work |
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| 07:42.52 | tgs3 | jelly-home: I know. while reporting bug to bug@debian.org with package: www.debian.org, the Version field should be empty? Separate question from me, is that if there is bug in debian installer, what package to fill in, and what version |
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| 07:43.01 | snowrichard | hi |
| 07:43.14 | jelly-home | tgs3: yeah, version makes no sense in that case |
| 07:43.26 | bniels | jelly-home, please have him provide the version of his installed nvidia-kernel-common, too. i think that was missing from the list earlier |
| 07:44.06 | Yoshi1 | jelly-home: oh wait there it is |
| 07:44.15 | Yoshi1 | i didnt use the lsmod | grep properly |
| 07:44.30 | jelly-home | bniels: oh good grief, why does it not build from the same sources :-/ |
| 07:44.52 | Yoshi1 | heh i forgot to use | grep at all |
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| 07:45.23 | jelly-home | Yoshi1: you can use shift-page up to scroll up |
| 07:46.02 | Yoshi1 | jelly-home: huh? |
| 07:46.30 | Yoshi1 | anyway but there isnt a 20-nvidia.conf file |
| 07:46.54 | jelly-home | you put it there yesterday, wonder where it went |
| 07:47.08 | jelly-home | Yoshi1: is there a /etc/X11/conf.d/ at all? |
| 07:47.21 | jelly-home | does the directory exist |
| 07:47.32 | Yoshi1 | jelly-home: that was squeeze. i reinstalled using squeezy and no there isnt a conf.d at all |
| 07:47.43 | Yoshi1 | err today i reinstalled using wheezy |
| 07:48.00 | jelly-home | Yoshi1: and you did not follow the nvidia dkms suggestions this time? |
| 07:48.19 | Yoshi1 | jelly-home: no dpkg said that was for squeeze |
| 07:48.36 | jelly-home | *facepalm* |
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| 07:49.40 | jelly-home | if you remove xorg.conf, at the very least you need to instruct X server to use the closed driver with that snippet |
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| 07:50.54 | Yoshi1 | jelly-home: hmmm so run through dpkg's instructions then and reboot to see if that works? |
| 07:50.56 | jelly-home | Yoshi1: does grep 'blacklist nouveau' /etc/modprobe.d/* return anything? |
| 07:51.33 | Yoshi1 | /etc/modprobe.d/nvidia-kernel-common.conf:blacklist nouveau |
| 07:51.33 | Yoshi1 | yes |
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| 07:52.26 | jelly-home | good |
| 07:52.50 | jelly-home | Yoshi1: pastebin your whole /var/log/Xorg.0.log please |
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| 07:53.20 | snowrichard | my mouse has stopped working . i have a cursor, but it won't click anything |
| 07:53.24 | snowrichard | how can i reset it |
| 07:53.44 | Infiltrator | snowrichard: A mouse or touchpad? |
| 07:53.49 | snowrichard | usb mouse |
| 07:54.18 | snowrichard | this is debian 6.0.6 just installed |
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| 07:54.54 | Yoshi1 | jelly-home: http://pastebin.com/n0tNBNn5 |
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| 07:56.59 | jelly-home | Yoshi1: well, X server seems to detect and try using the intel card. Do this again: mkdir /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d ; echo -e 'Section "Device"\n\tIdentifier "My GPU"\n\tDriver "nvidia"\nEndSection' > /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-nvidia.conf |
| 07:57.51 | Yoshi1 | done |
| 07:58.06 | zjhxmjl | hi,guys |
| 07:58.07 | zjhxmjl | how to give non-root user permission to iptables |
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| 07:58.24 | jelly-home | zjhxmjl: which debian release are you using? |
| 07:58.43 | zjhxmjl | yes,i use debian and centos :) |
| 07:58.54 | jelly-home | zjhxmjl: which version of debian? |
| 07:59.21 | jelly-home | zjhxmjl: eg. what does :\dpkg -l libc6|tail -1" say? |
| 07:59.23 | jelly-home | erm. |
| 07:59.28 | jelly-home | zjhxmjl: eg. what does "dpkg -l libc6|tail -1" say? |
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| 07:59.51 | zjhxmjl | jelly-home:please wait |
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| 08:00.51 | zjhxmjl | jelly-home:2.11.3-4 |
| 08:00.57 | snowrichard | did rmmod psmouse and it came back on |
| 08:01.50 | Infiltrator | snowrichard: Reinsert it see if it breaks. :P |
| 08:02.41 | jelly-home | zjhxmjl: debian 6, then. You can install sudo and learn to configure it to give one specific user ability to run /sbin/iptables |
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| 08:03.39 | zjhxmjl | jelly-home:thanks first,but i'am newbie for debian,can you give some guides |
| 08:04.10 | zjhxmjl | i had google it |
| 08:04.20 | Yoshi1 | jelly-home: ok dont that whats next |
| 08:04.23 | Yoshi1 | done* |
| 08:04.39 | Infiltrator | zjhxmjl: Install sudo and then read the man page as a start. |
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| 08:06.01 | zjhxmjl | Infiltrator:thanks,i'll try |
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| 08:07.15 | jelly-home | Yoshi1: hm, since i915 got loaded by xserver this time, I guess you have to reboot |
| 08:07.26 | Yoshi1 | jelly-home: |
| 08:07.29 | Yoshi1 | ok brb |
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| 08:20.51 | Yoshi1 | jelly-home: same issue i'm afraid |
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| 08:21.11 | jelly-home | Yoshi1: did the Xorg log change? |
| 08:22.02 | jelly-home | pastebin it again please |
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| 08:23.18 | Infiltrator | A dpkg -l | grep nividia woild be good too. |
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| 08:23.55 | Yoshi1 | jelly-home: not sure |
| 08:24.19 | Infiltrator | Yoshi1: diff -u Xorg.1.log Xorg.0.log |
| 08:24.41 | Infiltrator | or 2 or 3 or whichever, depending on the number of reboots. |
| 08:25.00 | Yoshi1 | lots of output there |
| 08:25.18 | Infiltrator | pastebin is your fwiend. :) |
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| 08:26.58 | Yoshi1 | http://pastebin.com/VTthxTkW |
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| 08:28.52 | Yoshi1 | http://pastebin.com/QUHW8Lux and thats 0 and 1 |
| 08:29.10 | Yoshi1 | my bad sometimes up key is not my friend |
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| 08:29.55 | jelly-home | sigh, that diff is useless |
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| 08:30.13 | jelly-home | please pastebin the actual file |
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| 08:31.26 | jelly-home | Infiltrator: timestamps ruin everything, you'd have to cut them out and then diff if you really wanted to do that |
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| 08:31.56 | Infiltrator | joltcan: Sorry; I forgot about the timestamps. |
| 08:32.02 | Infiltrator | ... |
| 08:32.06 | Infiltrator | joltcan: Ignore that. |
| 08:32.09 | Infiltrator | jelly-home: ^ |
| 08:32.28 | Infiltrator | You could still vimdiff it, though. |
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| 08:33.09 | Infiltrator | Yoshi1: Easiest thing is to just pastebin both 0 and 1. |
| 08:33.23 | Infiltrator | Unless you can vimdiff it and tell us if it's different. |
| 08:33.51 | Yoshi1 | vimdiff? |
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| 08:34.29 | Infiltrator | Yoshi1: Nevermind then. :) |
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| 08:35.55 | jelly-home | just pastebin /var/log/Xorg.0.log again please. |
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| 08:40.20 | Yoshi1 | jelly-home: http://pastebin.com/ZuGdXztG |
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| 08:41.13 | jelly-home | the hell, why does it still load intel |
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| 08:42.11 | bniels | jelly-home, i believe he didn't recreate the xorg.conf snippet yet |
| 08:42.16 | Infiltrator | jelly-home: Probably xserver-xorg-video-intel or similar? |
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| 08:42.49 | jelly-home | Yoshi1: is the /etc/X11/conf.d/20-nvidia.conf file in place and what's inside? |
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| 08:43.46 | Yoshi1 | yeah gimme a second |
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| 08:45.42 | Yoshi1 | Section "Device" |
| 08:45.42 | Yoshi1 | Identifier "My GPU" |
| 08:45.42 | Yoshi1 | Driver "nvidia" |
| 08:45.42 | Yoshi1 | EndSection |
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| 08:46.02 | Yoshi1 | just 4 lines decided to risk the kick |
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| 08:46.31 | Yoshi1 | jelly-home: did all that get through? |
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| 08:47.51 | jelly-home | that's good. I'm not sure why intel takes precedence |
| 08:48.43 | Yoshi1 | any other tricks we can try to stop intel from loading? |
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| 08:48.53 | gnarface | bios-level disable is the typical trick |
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| 08:49.07 | Yoshi1 | gnarface: dell laptop limited bios sadly not an option |
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| 08:49.45 | gnarface | Yoshi1: oh one of those dual-video card abominations? ugh. not even an option to set which card is primary? |
| 08:50.19 | jelly-home | Yoshi1: well you can remove xserver-xorg-video-{intel,vesa} |
| 08:50.29 | gnarface | probably safer to just blacklist it |
| 08:50.39 | Yoshi1 | gnarface: no the dell bios is somewhat limited |
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| 08:50.49 | jelly-home | gnarface: how does one blacklist an xorg driver |
| 08:50.51 | Yoshi1 | jelly-home: is that a command? |
| 08:51.02 | gnarface | jelly-home: its still a module like any other, no? |
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| 08:51.17 | jelly-home | Yoshi1: no, I mean, remove those two packages, xserver-xorg-video-intel and xserver-xorg-video-mesa |
| 08:51.42 | jelly-home | gnarface: a video module for xorg like any other. Not a kernel module. |
| 08:51.49 | Yoshi1 | oh while i am thinking about it since we're getting riskier can you tell me how to reverse it if things go completly sideways so i can put that in a text file and read it if i need it |
| 08:52.36 | gnarface | jelly-home: hmm. with nvidia drivers there is an accompanying kernel module. i assumed that's the same for all of them except perhaps the svga one... |
| 08:53.03 | jelly-home | Yoshi1: first, run "script uninstalling.log". It will open a new subshell. Then inside that remove those two packages. Other packages might get removed as well. |
| 08:53.29 | jelly-home | Yoshi1: exit that shell when you're done and you'll have a log of all the output in uninstalling.log file |
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| 08:53.52 | jelly-home | gnarface: nope, and we already blacklisted the i915 kernel part |
| 08:54.09 | Yoshi1 | jelly-home: but that doesnt give me the nesecary commands to reinstal those packages unless it;s all just apt-get |
| 08:54.11 | gnarface | jelly-home: oh. that's what i was talking about actually. i assumed that would have worked |
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| 08:54.31 | gnarface | hmm. that suggests its not using it then |
| 08:54.35 | gnarface | maybe the framebuffer driver? |
| 08:54.41 | jelly-home | Yoshi1: aptitude install xserver-xorg-video-all will get you all the xorg video drivers back |
| 08:54.48 | Yoshi1 | cool |
| 08:55.27 | gnarface | Yoshi1: just out of curiosity, do you have the latest bios from dell for this? i know they're known for very limited bioses but i also know they do frequently release updates ... |
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| 08:55.56 | gnarface | Yoshi1: just saying, if all else fails, worth checking to see if it adds the necessary options (if it was an Asus board you could trust that it would) |
| 08:55.57 | Yoshi1 | and for removing just apt-get remove those two packages no? and i am not sure i updated 6 or so months ago |
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| 08:56.27 | Infiltrator | Probably purge rather than remove. |
| 08:56.38 | Infiltrator | er |
| 08:56.42 | gnarface | yes, i agree, purge |
| 08:56.48 | gnarface | just for safety's sake |
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| 08:59.27 | gnarface | Yoshi1: which laptop model is this? people give me free hardware frequently and i try to keep a mental list of stuff to refuse because its known to be adversarial to the linux environment |
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| 09:00.39 | Yoshi1 | gnarface: the xps 15 l502x |
| 09:00.55 | Yoshi1 | jelly-home: ok i purged those two packages now what |
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| 09:01.44 | jelly-home | Yoshi1: restart gdm3 |
| 09:01.58 | jelly-home | see what changes |
| 09:02.14 | jelly-home | or reboot |
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| 09:02.27 | gnarface | i'd reboot |
| 09:02.53 | gnarface | the nvidia drivers don't cleanly free from memory without a full reboot. i wouldn't trust any modern dri ones to behave differently |
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| 09:05.11 | ChrisH | As we are just on Graphics... I am missing 1GB RAM on my system. http://paste.debian.net/224820/ do lines 35,36 mean this graphic card takes 1GB from my RAM? |
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| 09:06.40 | gnarface | if that Yoshi1 guy comes back someone show him this: http://bumblebee-project.org/install.html |
| 09:06.47 | gnarface | (the solution for his problem) |
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| 09:08.54 | gnarface | ChrisH: how much ram are you *supposed* to have physically on the motherboard? |
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| 09:09.44 | gnarface | ChrisH: 4GB? |
| 09:10.04 | ChrisH | 4GB as in lshw |
| 09:10.23 | gnarface | you're running a 32-bit kernel though? |
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| 09:10.42 | ChrisH | 3.2.0-4-amd64 expected 64bit |
| 09:10.51 | bniels | the addresses shown look like 64 bit |
| 09:10.55 | gnarface | hmm |
| 09:10.58 | gnarface | something else is up here |
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| 09:11.47 | gnarface | ChrisH: its not an *onboard* video card, right? |
| 09:11.52 | Yoshi1 | jelly-home: same screen flicker problem |
| 09:12.02 | gnarface | Yoshi1: ! here: http://bumblebee-project.org/install.html |
| 09:12.07 | ChrisH | ACK... its an add-on card |
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| 09:12.16 | Yoshi1 | gnarface: huh? |
| 09:12.22 | wols_ | ChrisH: but do you have a IGP on your chipset? |
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| 09:12.33 | ChrisH | wols_: What is IGP? |
| 09:12.46 | wols_ | does your motherboard have a vga or hdmi port? |
| 09:13.34 | gnarface | ChrisH: to the best of my knowledge, radeon cards can NOT subtract from the pre-calculated total memory that "free -m" reports. i could be wrong but i thought that *only* bios-integrated video cards like onboard intel i?10 ones can do that |
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| 09:13.54 | gnarface | ChrisH: did you compile that kernel yourself? |
| 09:13.56 | ChrisH | wols_: let me check... back from below the desk... VGA and DVI on the add-on card, both connected. No onboard video at all. |
| 09:13.58 | wols_ | gnarface: they can. |
| 09:13.59 | Yoshi1 | gnarface: no bumblebee package in squeezy? |
| 09:14.12 | gnarface | Yoshi1: probably not but its also probably your only hope |
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| 09:14.17 | ChrisH | gnarface: debian kernel |
| 09:14.21 | wols_ | gnarface: google hypermemory |
| 09:14.27 | gnarface | Yoshi1: i got that from a ubuntu howto specific for your laptop |
| 09:15.08 | ChrisH | http://paste.debian.net/224821/ complete lshw -short output |
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| 09:15.21 | gnarface | wols_: dear god. it gets worse every day, doesn't it? |
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| 09:15.56 | gnarface | ChrisH: nevermind me, apparently radeons *can* do this. :( i'm sorry |
| 09:16.06 | gnarface | wols_: so, his radeon has little memory of its own? |
| 09:16.16 | wols_ | gnarface: no it does not. and afaik current radeons don't do this anymore except APUs of course |
| 09:16.26 | Yoshi1 | gnarface: the configure says no x11 package installed |
| 09:16.36 | Yoshi1 | gnarface: any idea which one i should install? |
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| 09:16.56 | wols_ | ChrisH: so does your mobo have a vga port? |
| 09:17.00 | gnarface | Yoshi1: some package named something like xserver-xorg-????????-dev |
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| 09:17.14 | ChrisH | wols_: no VGA Port |
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| 09:17.39 | gnarface | Yoshi1: or, wait, scratch that... but something named *-dev for sure |
| 09:17.40 | wols_ | ChrisH: and no intel vga on lspci either? how much memory does your BIOS show on bootup? |
| 09:18.10 | gnarface | Yoshi1: (unlike many other distros, the compilation headers in debian are stored in separate packages from the runtime binaries) |
| 09:18.14 | Yoshi1 | why not xserver-xorg-dev? |
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| 09:18.36 | ChrisH | wols_: I am not sure... booting only once a while... but I assume its 4GB as expected. I am pretty sure I did check that after adding the RAM |
| 09:18.43 | gnarface | Yoshi1: uh... actually maybe that's it.... i just assumed it'd be a package i already had installed here... hmmm. yes, try that one though |
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| 09:19.29 | gnarface | ChrisH: the first part of your post clearly shows 4x1GB DIMMS physically present, so that should be accurate |
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| 09:23.48 | Yoshi1 | now for the long process of ./configure a dozen times and each time installing the missing prereq |
| 09:24.40 | gnarface | Yoshi1: its weird there's no debian package for that yet, it seems important. |
| 09:24.43 | gnarface | :( |
| 09:24.56 | LionKing | Hi all |
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| 09:24.58 | gnarface | i suspect legal concerns |
| 09:25.08 | gnarface | LionKing: fuck off |
| 09:25.14 | LionKing | Anyone with a Logitech K800 keyboard here? |
| 09:25.15 | gnarface | LionKing: sorry i mean, how may we help you? |
| 09:25.30 | LionKing | gnarface: :-) |
| 09:25.47 | Yoshi1 | brb |
| 09:25.48 | gnarface | ooh that's pretty |
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| 09:25.53 | LionKing | I have problems with my keyboard: the accent keys do not work |
| 09:26.07 | gnarface | what's an accent key? i should know but i don't |
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| 09:26.17 | LionKing | Dead key |
| 09:26.22 | LionKing | Like " ' |
| 09:26.24 | gnarface | oh |
| 09:26.36 | gnarface | so, part of the standard 104 US english keys |
| 09:26.47 | gnarface | not like, "Play" or "websearch" or "open email" |
| 09:26.56 | LionKing | The idea is: I press them first, nothing happens and if I press a afterwards I get a with an umlaut |
| 09:27.10 | LionKing | gnarface: exactly |
| 09:27.22 | gnarface | LionKing: usually this is a locale mismatch problem. occasionally its a locale bug. very rarely its a USB bug. |
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| 09:27.54 | Yoshi1 | oh bloody hell bumblebeed wont run |
| 09:28.20 | LionKing | How can I check if it's a locale mismatch |
| 09:28.46 | gnarface | well ... typically you'd start by making your locale C or iso-8859-1 or the like |
| 09:28.59 | gnarface | something very similar to american english where " and ' are the same as the original ASCII set |
| 09:29.08 | gnarface | if that fixes it, that's your cue |
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| 09:29.51 | Trewas | isn't that more about X keyboard settings wrt. dead keys, though locale may have some effect too |
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| 09:30.19 | LionKing | I have de_CH.UTF8 |
| 09:30.36 | Yoshi1 | says no bbswitch |
| 09:30.37 | Yoshi1 | :{ |
| 09:30.59 | gnarface | Trewas: i've had a lot of new/unsupported USB stuff over the years. unfortunately it can be anywhere from the kernel all the way up through the X client, based on only what we knew. now that we know he's using non-english, non-roman charset utf8 we can be almost certain its a locale bug |
| 09:31.07 | gnarface | LionKing: ^^^ that's relevant to you too |
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| 09:31.49 | LionKing | gnarface: thankl |
| 09:31.54 | LionKing | gnarface: thanks |
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| 09:32.52 | LionKing | gnarface: I have had an US keyboard before (one with a cord). That one worked... |
| 09:33.32 | gnarface | LionKing: no problem . i feel your pain... unicode support is still spotty everywhere. you should check the debian bug tracker; it is probably actually a known bug and not specific to your keyboard model itself, but i'm still just hypothesizing here. keep in mind the usb drivers are entirely separate from AT/PS2/serial interfaces in the kernel. |
| 09:33.41 | gnarface | LionKing: you can use xev to make sure the keys are actually firing |
| 09:33.43 | LionKing | Yoshi1: You know http://wiki.debian.org/Bumblebee (just to be sure) |
| 09:34.31 | Yoshi1 | LionKing: yeah following that now |
| 09:34.44 | gnarface | LionKing++ |
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| 09:35.12 | LionKing | gnarface: I have already filed a bug and the one of guys of the X Strike Force was very helpful, but he seems to be on vacation now... |
| 09:35.28 | gnarface | LionKing: that's a pretty new keyboard model, eh? |
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| 09:35.36 | LionKing | gnarface: The odd thing is: it works on the console, but not on X |
| 09:35.51 | Yoshi1 | LionKing: cant get bbswitch to make load |
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| 09:36.31 | gnarface | LionKing: ah yes. i've had bugs like that in X on testing/unstable even with native-english laptop keyboards (mac ones) so this points to a locale related bug but perhaps one at the x client level... maybe even in the specific program |
| 09:36.39 | LionKing | Yoshi1: I think I have the same problem on my laptop. The problem is the bumblebee packages are one patchlevel too old... |
| 09:36.44 | gnarface | LionKing: you're up-to-date right? |
| 09:36.52 | Yoshi1 | LionKing: oh cool but now bumblebeed -D works |
| 09:36.54 | LionKing | 3.6.0 instead of 3.6.1 IIRC |
| 09:36.55 | Yoshi1 | so whatever woot |
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| 09:37.10 | LionKing | gnarface: I'm on Debian Sid, updated this morning |
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| 09:37.50 | LionKing | I also have NO desktop, just a window manager: WindowMaker |
| 09:38.07 | gnarface | LionKing: i had a bug just like that where the alt/meta keys were being ignored in emacs but only in X11 and only on my ppc mac (before it caught fire) and a few weeks later another update magically fixed it |
| 09:38.22 | gnarface | (it caught fire much later) |
| 09:38.34 | LionKing | The only thing that "intereferes" is udev and the Logitech Unifying driver |
| 09:38.35 | Yoshi1 | ok so what do i do with optirun? |
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| 09:39.10 | LionKing | I suspect one of these two... |
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| 09:39.49 | LionKing | Well, actually I suspect udev, because I have tried the same without the Unifying driver in the kernel |
| 09:39.55 | Yoshi1 | gnarface: do you know what i am supposed to do once i get to the point where i can run optirun? |
| 09:40.22 | gnarface | Yoshi1: sorry no. you're beyond my experience here. LionKing ? |
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| 09:40.52 | gnarface | would have to read the documentation and likely have one of such laptops on hand to test |
| 09:40.58 | LionKing | Yoshi1: Sorry, I stopped trying after finding out the package was too old |
| 09:41.02 | tdn | Is it possible to have one user always run at nice level 10 and ionice level 3 (idle). If so, how to do this? Can I somehow set the user's login shell to be a script that starts a shell with nice? |
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| 09:41.15 | Yoshi1 | LionKing: well bugger |
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| 09:41.22 | Yoshi1 | so that was a waste |
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| 09:42.00 | gnarface | Yoshi1: no no, just wait for further info or read the docs. this should work, just none of us present here have done it yet. you're in uncharted territory. go forth boldly! (but keep backups) |
| 09:42.05 | LionKing | gnarface: If I look at the Xorg.0.log I see that the correct keyboard layout and variant is loaded, but afterwards udev kicks in a "configures" a power key... |
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| 09:42.51 | LionKing | [ 29.342] (II) config/udev: Adding input device Power Button (/dev/input/event1) |
| 09:43.09 | Yoshi1 | gnarface: it just says optirun <programme> but when i try to run something i get nothing |
| 09:43.16 | LionKing | [ 29.342] (**) Power Button: Applying InputClass "evdev keyboard catchall" |
| 09:43.32 | gnarface | Yoshi1: what did you try to run? |
| 09:43.37 | LionKing | "catchall" is very suspect... |
| 09:43.57 | Yoshi1 | winecfg iceweasel gedit |
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| 09:44.25 | LionKing | Yoshi1: try xgears or something similar |
| 09:44.49 | gnarface | Yoshi1: jesus, test with glxgears please. wine has its own freaking whole host of other issues, especially if you're on a 64-bit system |
| 09:45.29 | gnarface | Yoshi1: (the problems with wine are possibly just that you're missing the nvidia 32-bit compatibility layer |
| 09:45.33 | gnarface | ) |
| 09:46.01 | Yoshi1 | gnarface: i tried with glxspheres first |
| 09:46.41 | Yoshi1 | gnarface: all nothing |
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| 09:47.11 | gnarface | Yoshi1: suggests you've missed something important, like membership in the bumblebee group, or having started X first... |
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| 09:48.25 | Grey4 | o/ I've installed debian with RAID 1 setup, and on booting there is "FAIL-RAID status no ok". But everything seems fine, what do? |
| 09:48.53 | Yoshi1 | no i don think i missed that |
| 09:49.14 | ChrisH | Grey4: pastebin cat /proc/mdstat and if possible the boot messages around that FAIL messages to paste.debian.net |
| 09:49.34 | Yoshi1 | i followed the install and usage step by step |
| 09:49.43 | gnarface | Yoshi1: well, does your Xorg.0.log output anything interesting when it fails? |
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| 09:50.15 | Yoshi1 | gnarface: it doesnt fail with an error i hit enter the cursor drops a line and nothing |
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| 09:50.47 | gnarface | Yoshi1: how long did you wait for nothing? |
| 09:51.07 | Grey4 | :ChrisH: pastebin.com/K5FG3vPe |
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| 09:51.15 | Yoshi1 | gnarface: a good 10 seconds |
| 09:51.22 | gnarface | hmmmm |
| 09:51.40 | gnarface | Yoshi1: i'm sorry i'm out of ideas. you need to talk to someone who's used this before |
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| 09:51.55 | gnarface | Yoshi1: maybe the bumblebee project has their own irc channel? |
| 09:52.11 | Yoshi1 | good idea |
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| 09:54.27 | gnarface | Yoshi1: if literally everything at the last line just fails compared to all other participating partys' experiences, dont' forget to try bios update |
| 09:54.56 | Yoshi1 | gnarface: poh yes the bios update is at a12 i'm using a11 |
| 09:54.57 | jwilliams_ | A very stupid question. If i have 2 network cards with 2 ip stayed at the same network (e.g. aaa.bbb.ccc.ddd/16), how can I ensure packets are routed through specific device (e.g. eth0, eth1)? |
| 09:55.02 | Yoshi1 | thanks for reminding me |
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| 09:55.34 | Grey4 | o/ any idea on my pastebin? pastebin.com/K5FG3vPe It shows my cat /proc/mdstat....I'm getting RAID Status not OK. |
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| 09:55.44 | gnarface | Yoshi1: no problem. they often fix stuff without admitting to it ;) |
| 09:56.25 | jwilliams_ | Because the route table can only have 1 default gateway. And when trying with e.g. ping -I eth0 www.google.com or ping -I eth1 www.google.com. only would issue network unreachable. |
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| 09:56.29 | Yoshi1 | oh god dammit it's an exe |
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| 09:56.33 | Yoshi1 | i may have to boot to windows |
| 09:56.46 | ChrisH | Grey4: your md1 is resyncing and md1 is needing a sync,too. But md1 will be synced after md2 is done. |
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| 09:57.10 | Yoshi1 | gnarface: you think wine could do the bios update? |
| 09:57.12 | jwilliams_ | * Destination Host Unreachable * |
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| 09:57.52 | gnarface | Yoshi1: maybe, but i wouldn't trust it. first i'd try to see if the exe was actually a self-extracting zip, or somethign i could disassemble with cabextract, or somehow otherwise run from a dos/win9x boot floppy |
| 09:58.08 | Grey4 | :Chrish: Thanks so I take therefore that all is well! How can I remove the default desktop environment I got from the Debian installer and replace it with Openbox? |
| 09:58.23 | Yoshi1 | gnarface: i am on a dual boot system so i do have windows available |
| 09:58.33 | gnarface | Yoshi1: oh, just be safe and use that then |
| 09:58.55 | gnarface | Yoshi1: follow dell's instructions on this one to the letter |
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| 09:59.28 | Yoshi1 | gnarface: yeah i know i've done this once before |
| 09:59.52 | gnarface | jwilliams_: so, i've never done this but its a known problem with known solutions and all i can tell you is that you want to use iproute2 and check into either "multipath routing" or "equal cost multipath routing" unless they share an ISP in which case "bonding" may be a better option |
| 09:59.58 | gnarface | jwilliams_: (but requires isp support) |
| 10:00.15 | ChrisH | Grey4: Pleas put the : after the nick, otherwise the IRC client does not pick it up. |
| 10:00.17 | Grey4 | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:00.36 | Grey4 | ChrisH: Cheers and sorry for the repost |
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| 10:01.19 | ChrisH | Grey4: apt-get install openbox ?? |
| 10:01.30 | jwilliams_ | gnarface: thanks. i will check that first. : ) |
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| 10:02.20 | Grey4 | ChrisH: right but once that's done how do I remove my desktop enviorment? I'm stick of this heavy enviro. But I have no idea what enviro it is! |
| 10:02.25 | Grey4 | min |
| 10:02.57 | gnarface | jwilliams_: no problem. you're right though, by default you can't trust it to send packets out on the same interface they came in on in this case. *usually* it just sends all responses back on eth0 (or whatever is the primary/first) unless that one is busy |
| 10:03.37 | ChrisH | Grey4: dpkg -l will show the installed stuff... could be gnome or kde or ... |
| 10:03.40 | gnarface | jwilliams_: the documentation is difficult to dig up just because *most* people in enterprise solutions just use one link and buy more bandwidth on it |
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| 10:04.54 | simNIX | hello - I forgot the name of a program: a program that lets you make from one web adress a seperate program (browser windows) that looks like a seperate program - does this ring a bell for anyone ? |
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| 10:05.16 | LionKing | re |
| 10:05.24 | jwilliams_ | gnarface: is there any recommended doc where might contain related information? |
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| 10:05.38 | Grey4 | ChrisH: right but I cannot scroll further up in terminal to see all the packages :( |
| 10:05.40 | jwilliams_ | i appreciate it. |
| 10:05.48 | gnarface | jwilliams_: i'm sure there is. if you find it please tell me the link :) |
| 10:06.08 | jwilliams_ | np. : ) |
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| 10:08.16 | ChrisH | Grey4: dpkg -l | more |
| 10:11.47 | Grey4 | ChrisH: Thanks, its GNOME...anyway, do you think the RAID Status FAil message will go away once everything is rsync'd? |
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| 10:14.27 | ChrisH | Grey4: as I do not know where the "RAID Status FAil message" is visible, I cannot answer that.... but I assume it should go away |
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| 10:15.35 | Grey4 | ChrisH: right, its when I boot, there's like a list of messages on a black background, like "Loading, XYZ...". and then somewhere theres "[FAIL] RAID Status not OK...." |
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| 10:22.45 | jwilliams_ | gnarface: I come across to find a post at stackoverflow - http://serverfault.com/questions/336021/two-network-interfaces-and-two-ip-addresses-on-the-same-subnet-in-linux |
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| 10:23.45 | LaBliMo_ | When can I expect the latest JAVA update11 to be applied to OpenJDK and debian? |
| 10:23.46 | jwilliams_ | it has similar problem as mine. will test it (though it looks like it still has subnet issue which i don't have) |
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| 10:25.46 | ChrisH | Grey4: that should be away on a reboot with sync'ed disks |
| 10:27.02 | Yoshi1 | anyone here know anything about debianon? |
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| 10:29.20 | Yoshi1 | oh never mind thats not my solution |
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| 10:32.05 | gnarface | Yoshi1: you're on the bleeding edge now. expect to get some papercuts. don't give up on bumblebee. |
| 10:32.27 | gnarface | Yoshi1: in the future... be more careful about hardware purchases |
| 10:33.04 | Yoshi1 | gnarface: yeah yeah this dell was the only one i could afford 2 years ago when i bought it |
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| 10:33.14 | Yoshi1 | on payment plan |
| 10:34.06 | gnarface | Yoshi1: we've made these mistakes occasionally. in time, it inevitably will work right out of the box, but obviously what you're going at is getting it working *this* year, which will require a bit more effort on your part |
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| 10:35.04 | Yoshi1 | gnarface: *nods* yeah i know. i'm not opposed to effort but you know it's just so much effort |
| 10:35.05 | Yoshi1 | :P |
| 10:36.19 | gnarface | Yoshi1: the documentation suggests numerous people got this working. my memory of this channel's history over the last few years suggests many people have given up too. there are obviously hitching points that aren't mentioned in the docs, but really if you can get on a mailing list or irc channel of people well versed in hacking this hardware you'll have much better chances |
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| 10:37.11 | Yoshi1 | gnarface: i've no clue what those mailing lists or channels might be |
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| 10:37.35 | Yoshi1 | i'll have to look into it tomorow |
| 10:37.39 | gnarface | Yoshi1: i hesitate to offer this but... https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Bumblebee this is for the wrong distro but looks more thorough than our wiki on the subject. maybe you can glean from this some non-distro-specific hints to help you with debian. |
| 10:37.51 | gnarface | Yoshi1: yes, locating their user base is the best choice for you now though |
| 10:38.21 | gnarface | unfortunately i do not know where they hide out |
| 10:38.39 | gnarface | certainly there's at least a contact email on the project website? |
| 10:38.46 | Yoshi1 | Optimus Technology is an hybrid graphics implementation without a hardware multiplexer. The integrated GPU manages the display while the dedicated GPU manages the most demanding rendering and ships the work to the integrated GPU to be displayed. |
| 10:38.58 | Yoshi1 | thats why the intel ship always gets preference |
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| 10:39.08 | gnarface | well... duh |
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| 10:39.12 | gnarface | sorry |
| 10:39.28 | gnarface | i meant to say "yes, that was obvious to me, sorry i didn't mention it, i assumed it was also obvious to you" |
| 10:39.28 | Yoshi1 | yeah i read that on another site too trying to find out how to disablle the intel chip |
| 10:39.46 | Yoshi1 | \basically you cant because it's basically hardwired so it cant be |
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| 10:40.07 | gnarface | :-/ you can't because the bios purposefully excludes that option to fuck with non-windows users |
| 10:40.09 | Yoshi1 | no i thought the intel chip worked like any other graphics card |
| 10:40.25 | Yoshi1 | just a lower performance version of a graphics card |
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| 10:40.40 | gnarface | it works like any *onboard* graphics card, but in a non-dell system it'd be easy to make it automatically take a back seat, or just shut off outright. |
| 10:40.54 | gnarface | your problem is entirely dell's microsoft-friendly bios |
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| 10:41.37 | Yoshi1 | gnarface: well by the sounds of it if you DID shut it off it wouldnt work least not on a dell system because as i saw on a post basically the gpu takes heavy loads does the number crunching and then tells the onboard what to show |
| 10:41.51 | Yoshi1 | or something that crudely might illustrate |
| 10:42.04 | gnarface | Yoshi1: you ever watch the anime FullMetal Alchemist? |
| 10:42.09 | Yoshi1 | yes |
| 10:42.19 | Yoshi1 | very much yes |
| 10:42.19 | gnarface | you remember the episode "night of the chimera's cry" ? |
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| 10:42.38 | Yoshi1 | not by name never knew the eps by name |
| 10:42.55 | babilen | drops #debian-offtopic at this point … |
| 10:43.17 | Yoshi1 | is that where dog child is killed by scar? |
| 10:43.37 | gnarface | Yoshi1: yes. look up the synopsis. i won't repeat it or they'll +q me i'm on permanent probation in this channel. you bought yourself a talking chimera |
| 10:43.48 | gnarface | expect it to be in pain |
| 10:43.54 | Yoshi1 | well, buggering |
| 10:44.22 | TomyLobo | gnarface, i can definitely assert that this problem is not limited to dell |
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| 10:44.34 | Yoshi1 | i think it's inherent to optimus |
| 10:44.45 | babilen | gnarface, Yoshi1: Just take it to #debian-offtopic. You can discuss anime episodes for the entire day if you want to. :) |
| 10:44.53 | gnarface | TomyLobo: yes, there are a few other oems that are using the same basic setup... dell is just a posterboy for it |
| 10:45.26 | gnarface | babilen: it was relevant in metaphor but i'm aware that i'm under higher scrutiny than most others so i'll shut up and drink. good day! :) |
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| 10:45.46 | babilen | *sigh* |
| 10:47.04 | buscon | do you think is secure to install tools like telnet or nmap on a server? |
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| 10:47.20 | buscon | I want to test on the server if some ports are open or not |
| 10:47.35 | TomyLobo | lenovo+optimus+ubuntu 12.04 |
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| 10:48.44 | TomyLobo | bumblebee to make any actual use of the nvidia chip, but it's far from perfect |
| 10:48.56 | Yoshi1 | TomyLobo: bumblebee doesnt wanna work for me |
| 10:49.21 | ChrisH | buscon: why should it be insecure... none of them open a listener |
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| 10:50.11 | buscon | ChrisH, I know, I just remember someone telling me that... |
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| 10:53.09 | ChrisH | buscon: depending on the country you are, using nmap might be illegal... Here in Germany there is a strange law under which using nmap could be named using a hacker tool. One of the not so well done laws :) |
| 10:53.46 | buscon | ChrisH, ok, good to know, i'm in Germany too :) |
| 10:54.08 | buscon | but i think i'll use nmap on my servers anyway :P |
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| 10:54.53 | marko71 | ciao |
| 10:55.20 | marko71 | !list |
| 10:55.20 | dpkg | marko71: vedi http://packages.debian.org/ |
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| 10:58.19 | ChrisH | buscon: http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hackerparagraf Zur Info |
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| 10:58.50 | buscon | ChrisH, dankeschoen ;) |
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| 11:00.02 | ChrisH | I use nmap for internal and sometimes external tests of systems under my control... Just to make sure my firewall settings are working as expected. |
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| 11:05.54 | buscon | ChrisH, exactly, that's why I want to use it too |
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| 11:07.38 | xxzz | g'day |
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| 11:10.12 | TomyLobo | ChrisH, are you sure that wasnt repealed? |
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| 11:12.17 | xxzz | I have a couple of issues namely after installing grub-pc with grub-install /dev/sda5 I can't chainload bebian and second network manager doesnt show hand configured network |
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| 11:12.54 | ChrisH | TomyLobo: not that I am aware of. But there had been some high court comments on it, makeing it less scary for the "good" user. |
| 11:13.46 | xxzz | any ideas |
| 11:13.52 | TomyLobo | ah that must be what i had in mind |
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| 11:15.23 | xxzz | it is getting confused with zfs |
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| 11:18.50 | TomyLobo | ChrisH, hmm yeah, that begs the question: if i hack al quaeda's servers and obtain date and place of their next attack, am i a good user cause i helped prevent a ton of deaths or a bad user cause i intruded upon servers i do not own? |
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| 11:19.42 | newborn1 | Hi all! |
| 11:20.19 | xxzz | !////////// |
| 11:20.21 | ChrisH | TomyLobo: given that I would redirect you to Pullach and ask them to get you out of the trouble :) |
| 11:20.22 | newborn1 | anybody knows this error: (Reading database ... 60%dpkg: unrecoverable fatal error, aborting: |
| 11:20.23 | newborn1 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 11:20.53 | babilen | TomyLobo: Take it to #debian-offtopic please |
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| 11:21.08 | xxzz | good |
| 11:21.26 | TomyLobo | some of the discussed tools are part of debian, so meh |
| 11:21.32 | TomyLobo | i'm done anyway, though |
| 11:21.49 | ChrisH | newborn1: is that the only error message seen on (guessed) apt-get update ? |
| 11:21.57 | newborn1 | Yes |
| 11:22.02 | ChrisH | agrees hackertopic is done |
| 11:22.17 | newborn1 | after apt-get upgrade |
| 11:22.21 | xxzz | looks like things wont get fixed in here |
| 11:23.16 | xxzz | notworkmanager is annoying |
| 11:23.20 | ChrisH | newborn1: could you please run and pastebin to paste.debian.net : apt-get update and afterwards apt-get -s upgrade or without -s if the problem is not visible here |
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| 11:24.56 | mrhanky | can i install openssl-1.0.x on debian squeeze? i have added the experimental repo for znc-1.0 which needs openssl-1.0.0 |
| 11:25.11 | wols_ | it sounds like his /var/lib/dpkg/info/libgpg-error0.list file is broken. as a workaround: add the newline to it and reinstall the package |
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| 11:26.33 | wols_ | ,depends ibssl1.0.0 wheezy |
| 11:26.33 | newborn1 | http://paste.debian.net/224866/ |
| 11:26.34 | judd | No package named 'ibssl1.0.0' was found in wheezy/i386. |
| 11:26.45 | newborn1 | http://paste.debian.net/224867/ |
| 11:26.47 | wols_ | ,depends libssl1.0.0 wheezy |
| 11:26.48 | judd | Package libssl1.0.0 in wheezy/i386 -- depends: libc6 (>= 2.7), zlib1g (>= 1:1.1.4), debconf (>= 0.5) | debconf-2.0,multiarch-support. |
| 11:26.55 | xxzz | can someone please help me fix grub-pc and networkmanager |
| 11:26.59 | newborn1 | http://paste.debian.net/224868/ |
| 11:27.14 | wols_ | mrhanky: that debconf dependency and multiarch support make it iffy to backport. can't you just use wheezy? |
| 11:27.38 | mrhanky | it's a vserver and my hoster only supplys squeeze images |
| 11:28.01 | wols_ | then I'd look into compiling in openssl 1.0 statically |
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| 11:28.38 | mrhanky | and installing it from unstable? |
| 11:28.46 | wols_ | no installing from anywhere |
| 11:28.46 | ChrisH | newborn1: did you follow wols_ recommendation on /var/lib/dpkg/info/libgpg-error0.list ? |
| 11:29.06 | xxzz | this is my /etc/network/interfaces content http://paste.debian.net/224872/ |
| 11:29.40 | xxzz | what do I do to make gnome-networkmanager read it and not throw a stupid error saying no network connections |
| 11:29.47 | wols_ | xxzz: why do you chainload debian? |
| 11:30.02 | xxzz | wols_ because i like different grub |
| 11:30.04 | wols_ | xxzz: and what bootmanager is installed in /dev/sda5 when you insist on chainloading |
| 11:30.14 | xxzz | grub-pc |
| 11:30.38 | wols_ | so what happens if you choose the /dev/sda5 one in your original bootloader? |
| 11:30.50 | xxzz | error 13 |
| 11:30.54 | xxzz | error 15 |
| 11:31.01 | wols_ | so your original bootloader errors? |
| 11:31.06 | xxzz | i tried configfile /boot/grub/grub.cfg |
| 11:31.21 | xxzz | then removed grub-pc and installed legacy but same thing |
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| 11:31.31 | newborn1 | In this list only not connection to cups |
| 11:31.32 | xxzz | no even grub cd errors |
| 11:31.53 | newborn1 | i want install cups, but this error |
| 11:32.13 | wols_ | newborn1: no. you have a corrupted file on disk, a file unconnected with cups |
| 11:32.16 | xxzz | my original loader is booting deb kernel from kernel /boot/vmlinuz-\* |
| 11:32.19 | wols_ | newborn1: did you do what I asked you to? |
| 11:32.29 | wols_ | xxzz: /boot is on zfs? |
| 11:32.35 | xxzz | freebsd |
| 11:32.49 | wols_ | if freebsd a filesystem? |
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| 11:32.53 | xxzz | is there anyway i can automate the paste |
| 11:32.59 | wols_ | !pastebinit |
| 11:33.00 | dpkg | pastebinit is a command-line tool to send data to a <pastebin>. NOTE: squeeze users, you must "pastebinit -b http://paste.debian.net" or configure pastebinit to use something other than pastebin.com. To paste e.g. your sources.list do "aptitude install pastebinit; pastebinit /etc/apt/sources.list"; to paste the output of a program do e.g. "dmesg | pastebinit". See also <pastebinit config>, <nopaste>. |
| 11:33.03 | xxzz | i will paste grub.cfg |
| 11:33.11 | newborn1 | I don't know what is wols_recomedtion? |
| 11:33.14 | wols_ | answer the question |
| 11:33.26 | wols_ | newborn1: < wols_> it sounds like his /var/lib/dpkg/info/libgpg-error0.list file is broken. as a workaround: add the newline to it and reinstall the package |
| 11:34.40 | xxzz | what is this - THIS API HAS BEEN DISABLED. Please use Pastebin's new API. http://pastebin.com/api |
| 11:35.30 | wols_ | read until you comprehend? |
| 11:36.11 | xxzz | was that directed at me? |
| 11:36.54 | newborn1 | http://paste.debian.net/224881/ |
| 11:37.12 | xxzz | wookay |
| 11:37.16 | newborn1 | after wols_recomends |
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| 11:38.07 | wols_ | newborn1: you have pretty bad corruption in your /var/lib/dpkg/info/ directory. delete the directory from line 15 |
| 11:38.43 | newborn1 | where is line 15? |
| 11:39.35 | wols_ | in your paste at http://paste.debian.net/224881/ |
| 11:39.39 | ChrisH | newborn1: in your pasted http://paste.debian.net/224881/ |
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| 11:40.27 | bint | hi there |
| 11:40.39 | bint | i want to automount my nas on startup but i'm not sure about fstab |
| 11:40.39 | bint | http://i.imgur.com/XZAoY.png |
| 11:40.44 | bint | the last line... is this right? |
| 11:41.07 | wols_ | bint: sudo fdisk -l shows a /dev/sdb1 ? |
| 11:41.36 | bint | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:41.39 | wols_ | and it will work, yes but you might use 1 2 at the end |
| 11:41.44 | newborn1 | ChrisH and wols_ - THANKS A LOT, ALL WORKING!!! |
| 11:41.47 | wols_ | at the end of the last line |
| 11:41.52 | bint | /dev/sdb1 1 243202 1953513558 7 HPFS/NTFS |
| 11:41.59 | wols_ | newborn1: reinstall both packages which caused the error to fix your dpkg database |
| 11:42.10 | bint | yes i dont get that options at the end.. so i just put 0 there.. what does 0, 1 and 2 mean? |
| 11:42.16 | xxzz | wols_: http://paste.debian.net/224883/ |
| 11:42.20 | newborn1 | ok, i did it! |
| 11:42.25 | wols_ | bint: careful with ntfs partitions. I wouldn't use it constantly due to fear of data corruption |
| 11:42.33 | wols_ | bint: how much memory does your debian have? |
| 11:42.55 | wols_ | xxzz: did I ever ask you for your grub.cfg? |
| 11:42.57 | bint | 2GB memory |
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| 11:43.11 | redax | hi, |
| 11:43.28 | xxzz | always a good idea to provide details in anticipation of a fix |
| 11:43.48 | bint | do you mind if i pm you? |
| 11:43.49 | wols_ | bint: is this a dual boot system, with XP? cause the best way to mount a ntfs system permanently is a VM of windows. I wouldn't trust ntfs-3g for normal constant operation |
| 11:43.50 | bint | wolfffffi |
| 11:44.11 | bint | no its a single dedicated server |
| 11:44.19 | bint | debian squeeze running on it |
| 11:44.34 | bint | i dont care about the file system |
| 11:44.43 | bint | if ext4 is the better way to go |
| 11:44.45 | bint | i'd go for ext4 |
| 11:44.57 | bint | i dont know the advantages and disadvantages.. i'm very new |
| 11:45.07 | redax | can you help me with an idea, I would like to run a specified program, but unfortunately, the program is a java webstart app, and both *(different systems)* using the same config file. |
| 11:45.28 | redax | I'd like to fake each process config file with their own. |
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| 11:45.56 | redax | is there any other way than making a chrooted jail environment for each instances? |
| 11:46.01 | wols_ | bint: if you use Linux as a fileserver, please use a Linux filesystem and not NTFS |
| 11:46.49 | xxzz | anyone here that chainloads debian with grub from other linux |
| 11:47.06 | bint | ok wols_ and how would i do that? can i mount it in another way or do i have to format it first? - shall i use google or are you willing to explain me how to do that :=` |
| 11:47.37 | wols_ | you make a linux filesystem on /dev/sdb1 and you change 0 0 at the end to 1 2 |
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| 11:47.40 | wols_ | then you are done |
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| 11:48.07 | bint | ok.. so i just have to find out, how to do a linux filesystem on sdb1 :) |
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| 11:48.20 | xxzz | its simple |
| 11:48.50 | wols_ | bint: man mkfs |
| 11:48.54 | bint | cool |
| 11:49.03 | bint | and what filesystem would you use? ext3? ext4? |
| 11:49.14 | xxzz | jfs is better |
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| 11:49.17 | wols_ | probably ext4 by now |
| 11:49.19 | xxzz | you wont run out of inodes |
| 11:49.50 | wols_ | don't use fancy filesystems unless you know what you are doing. since you have to ask, you seem to not know. so stay with defaults, normal choices |
| 11:50.01 | xxzz | jfs isnt fancy |
| 11:50.09 | xxzz | but you know better anyways |
| 11:50.21 | koollman | it's 'non-default'. not exactly fancy, but still rather unusual on linux |
| 11:50.57 | xxzz | i can give more examples but i am not here for that atm |
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| 11:51.24 | BotaniCar | wols_: what's the downside of using NTFS on storage ? is it slower, or something else ? |
| 11:51.45 | xxzz | maintenance |
| 11:51.55 | xxzz | recovery can be complex |
| 11:52.04 | bint | well i'd never had to recover anything from that |
| 11:52.09 | bint | its just bluk stored on that drive |
| 11:52.21 | xxzz | that dude can mount ntfs with late parameters on debian |
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| 11:52.27 | xxzz | i see no harm in it |
| 11:52.41 | bint | but i'm still unsure with the numbers at the end in fstab.. whats the difference between 0 0 and 1 2 ? |
| 11:52.52 | xxzz | priority |
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| 11:52.59 | xxzz | make it 1 2 |
| 11:53.02 | bint | ok |
| 11:53.22 | ChrisH | bint: man fstab explains it... |
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| 11:55.00 | wols_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:55.07 | bint | ok |
| 11:55.10 | xxzz | what is 'rpm -ql' alternate in deb |
| 11:55.38 | ChrisH | bint: if you still have questions after reading the man page, ask |
| 11:55.44 | bint | ok thanks |
| 11:55.58 | koollman | xxzz: probably something like : dpkg -L |
| 11:56.00 | ChrisH | xxzz: dunnot what rpm -ql does, but it could be dpkg -l |
| 11:56.02 | xxzz | actually it got to do with latency and ideally you shouldnt dismount it before checking exit status |
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| 11:56.39 | xxzz | rpm -ql samba will list all files off samba package |
| 11:57.23 | BotaniCar | wols_: i can't google up any proof of increased chance of data corruption if NTFS is used, just speculations, got any URL to share on that subject ? |
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| 11:59.17 | tralala | xxzz, dpkg -L as koollman said |
| 11:59.24 | xxzz | thx |
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| 12:01.56 | xxzz | BotaniCar, that statement didn't make any sense |
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| 12:02.36 | xxzz | ntfs is flawed in the way it maintains data |
| 12:02.57 | tralala | is it? |
| 12:03.06 | xxzz | yes |
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| 12:03.14 | BotaniCar | xxzz: my apologizes. What i ment to write is that i can't google up anything but speculations about increased chances of data coruption if NTFS is used in usage scenario like that guy described. |
| 12:03.47 | BotaniCar | xxzz: flawed how ? |
| 12:03.52 | xxzz | the latency is a problem while using ntfs mounts |
| 12:04.08 | xxzz | mount it late and check exit status of rw |
| 12:04.47 | BotaniCar | that's the only downside ? Presuming it mounted succesfully, we're only suffering from speed penalties ? |
| 12:05.06 | xxzz | hmm there are plenty |
| 12:05.15 | BotaniCar | URL, please |
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| 12:05.28 | xxzz | in windows the position of head is different |
| 12:05.39 | NiLon | corruptions happens if data is being cached and then you shut disk down |
| 12:06.08 | shroud_ | ntfs has a journal for that though |
| 12:06.13 | xxzz | corruption will happen during massive data writes as well |
| 12:06.27 | xxzz | yes which is not adequate |
| 12:06.43 | shroud_ | how so? |
| 12:07.04 | BotaniCar | xxzz: URL please, if someone actualy tested it. i'd like to see percentages and/or graphs, this sounds like a hear-say .. |
| 12:07.07 | xxzz | read technet and see the ntfs features |
| 12:07.19 | xxzz | and then compare it with ext4 (minimum) |
| 12:07.33 | themill | struggles to find the debian user support angle to this conversation |
| 12:08.17 | laurus | Is there a way to reload GTK3 themes without restarting? |
| 12:08.19 | BotaniCar | moves to offtopic chan :) thanks themill |
| 12:08.25 | xxzz | now a days people dont like to read everyone uses google to find some guru opinion |
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| 12:09.39 | xxzz | wonder why debian cant be chainloaded |
| 12:10.09 | buscon | hi, i need some kind of postgres dev package |
| 12:10.13 | buscon | in order to install redmine |
| 12:10.35 | shroud | libpq-dev by any chance? |
| 12:10.43 | buscon | but I don't find the a package to install on squeeze |
| 12:10.50 | buscon | shroud, uh, i'll have a look at that |
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| 12:11.55 | bint | ah btw. whats the diffrence between "auto" and "ext4" in the fstab file? is there any way to go? |
| 12:11.58 | bint | or doesn't it matter |
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| 12:12.32 | bniels | bint, auto means the kernel tries to autodetect the filesystem that's on the partition |
| 12:12.40 | bint | what usually works :)? |
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| 12:13.01 | bniels | bint, depends. for common filesystems it works. but not for more exotic ones |
| 12:13.05 | bint | ah ok |
| 12:13.13 | bint | so i'll just use auto for my ext4 |
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| 12:14.23 | Guest72192 | using ext4 would probably provide fastr boot times though |
| 12:14.29 | xxzz | it is better to specify correct fstype |
| 12:14.34 | bniels | bint, you can tell it it's ext4, tho, if you know it ;) this way it doesn't have to try several filesystems until it finds the correct one. auto is usually used for removable media |
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| 12:15.02 | Redeeemed | hi |
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| 12:16.20 | xxzz | well looks like i cant chainload deb squeeze and i will need to append kernel /blah all the time |
| 12:16.46 | wols_ | just cause you didn't manage to, doesn't mean it can't be done |
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| 12:16.51 | wols_ | and I'm STILL waiting for an answer |
| 12:17.01 | xxzz | to what question |
| 12:17.12 | wols_ | what /boot filesystem |
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| 12:17.27 | xxzz | ext4 |
| 12:17.37 | xxzz | on sda5 |
| 12:17.52 | xxzz | <PROTECTED> |
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| 12:20.18 | xxzz | now what |
| 12:20.53 | wols_ | now you whine some more like you did above? |
| 12:21.38 | buscon | shroud, that was the missing package ;) thx |
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| 12:23.27 | xxzz | wow |
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| 12:23.33 | xxzz | that was uncalled for |
| 12:23.45 | xxzz | you probably take pride in broken linux |
| 12:24.12 | wols_ | yes, whine. but I better stop before themill looks in again |
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| 12:24.59 | xxzz | w/e |
| 12:25.59 | xxzz | imo you have no knowledge but pretend to know it all |
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| 12:33.14 | shroud | buscon: you're welcome |
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| 12:56.07 | sephii | i just upgraded my wheezy install and since then gvim repainting is painfully slow. I found some bugreports regarding the same issue in ubuntu and it seems to be related to cairo, but I couldn't find anything similar for debian |
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| 12:58.32 | sephii | (btw this is happening with the terminus font, if i switch to another font like courier, the problem disappears) |
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| 12:59.47 | bint | i dont get that symlink stuff |
| 12:59.56 | bint | i got an external drive mounted in /mnt/nas/ |
| 13:00.07 | bint | now i want to create a directory /mnt/nas/newdir |
| 13:00.08 | bniels | sephii, afairc, terminus is a bitmap font. maybe that's part of the problem |
| 13:00.28 | bint | and i want to link newdir into my homedirectory ln -s /mnt/nas/newdir /home/bint/newdir |
| 13:00.31 | bint | doesn't work |
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| 13:01.07 | bniels | bint, what's the error message? |
| 13:01.09 | sephii | bniels: i just found this bugreport, which seems to be exactly what i'm running into http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=682816 i'll just wait for the new version of the intel driver to land in wheezy... |
| 13:01.14 | bint | none |
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| 13:01.19 | bint | there is no error message |
| 13:01.29 | tralala | bint, is there /home/bint/newdir already? Because this should definitely work. |
| 13:01.35 | bniels | bint, then it should have worked. check if the link is in place |
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| 13:02.38 | bint | hmm |
| 13:02.40 | bint | now it worked.. |
| 13:02.41 | bint | strange |
| 13:02.44 | bint | i'll try again |
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| 13:03.49 | tralala | keep in mind that if your destination is an existing directory the symlink will be created _inside_ it with the same name as the source. |
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| 13:04.45 | bint | yes i think that was my problem |
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| 13:09.08 | Aktau | Hey guys |
| 13:09.20 | Aktau | I'm trying to start mongodb with service mongodb start |
| 13:09.25 | Aktau | However it says that it failed |
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| 13:09.37 | Aktau | I know mongodb prints debug data when it fails |
| 13:09.43 | daniel-s_ | hi |
| 13:09.43 | Aktau | Where is that redirected to? |
| 13:09.56 | daniel-s_ | I noticed that blkid is missing on my laptop, which has debian wheezy |
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| 13:10.12 | daniel-s_ | what command can I use that gives similar information? |
| 13:10.23 | babilen_ | daniel-s_: why don't you install it? |
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| 13:10.37 | daniel-s_ | I thought I might already have something that does something similar |
| 13:10.49 | daniel-s_ | what's the usual method for getting that sort of information? |
| 13:10.52 | wols_ | daniel-s_: it's part of util-linux and should be there always |
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| 13:10.58 | babilen | daniel-s_: ls -l /dev/disk/by-uuid/ |
| 13:10.59 | bniels | daniel-s_, blkid shouldn't be missing. is package util-linux installed? tried it as root or using the full path /sbin/blkid ? |
| 13:11.50 | daniel-s_ | oops, it's in /sbin |
| 13:11.53 | babilen | daniel-s_: And please provide more information such as "echo $PATH", "ls -l /sbin/blkid" and the output of "/sbin/blkid" |
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| 13:15.31 | floogy | Hi, I got problems with webav access from Windows and Gnome to webdav (lighttpd mod_webdav squeeze) |
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| 13:15.45 | floogy | Not all files where listed |
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| 13:16.11 | pythonsnake | how do i check users' pid |
| 13:16.30 | floogy | uid? |
| 13:16.36 | pythonsnake | yes |
| 13:16.40 | floogy | id |
| 13:16.48 | enkrypt | I've got a .Xresources containing Xft.antialias and hinting activated, but my fonts in gvim look blurry... am using Debian + Openbox. have tried many things, to no avail. antialias+hinting is activated in gnome-tweak-tool as well. any suggestions how to fix? fonts look fine in chrome, nautilus and so on |
| 13:17.10 | xxzz | grep <usr_name> /etc/passwd |
| 13:18.09 | floogy | id -u |
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| 13:18.58 | floogy | id -u <username> |
| 13:19.14 | pythonsnake | thx |
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| 13:19.51 | niklaswe | does someone know if nagios can run a check with 2 minutes lateral movment? |
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| 13:23.27 | pythonsnake | how do i get used mem from a process in mv |
| 13:23.29 | pythonsnake | mb |
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| 13:25.04 | wols_ | pythonsnake: top |
| 13:25.19 | wols_ | ps too |
| 13:25.41 | asr33 | Hi folks, I'm trying to get my usb tv tuner working but apparently it requires kernel 2.6.37 (I'm currently using Debian-6.0.6 with kernel 2.6.32-5-686) what is the easiest way to upgrade my kernel to something that supports the tv tuner but also gets community security udates? |
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| 13:25.45 | Hardisk | Hi , I'm trying to reset root password on a rack server Dell using an Apple keyboard. I add init=/bin/bash on my boot commands and it works, I get dropped to a shell. However my keyboard becomes irresponsive in this shell, I tried another usb keyboard with no success, any idea? |
| 13:26.11 | jelly | pythonsnake: some of the memory can be shared between processes, making the meaning of "used mem" a bit fuzzy. RES column in top will show the private part. |
| 13:26.28 | ChrisH | !backports |
| 13:26.29 | dpkg | A backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and <ABI> complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch02.en.html (2.7.4 and 2.7.10), http://backports.debian.org/ . Ask me about <debian-backports> and <backport caveat>. See also <simple sid backport>. |
| 13:26.51 | asr33 | thanks ChrisH |
| 13:26.51 | jelly | pythonsnake: in addition, some of the allocated pages might be on swap instead of RESident |
| 13:26.53 | ChrisH | asr33: read above on backports ... use /msg dpkg tp get the other details from bot |
| 13:27.46 | asr33 | alright i'll do some research |
| 13:27.47 | ChrisH | Hardisk: local connected keyboard ord remote via DRAC ? |
| 13:27.53 | pythonsnake | hm |
| 13:28.13 | Hardisk | ChrisH: Local |
| 13:28.48 | ChrisH | PS/2 keyboard at hand and PS/2 connector ? |
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| 13:29.21 | XB23 | hey guys, any ideas how i get debian to recognise my usb hard drive? |
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| 13:29.27 | xomrk | guys how to combine locate + cp |
| 13:29.37 | xomrk | i want my output copy to folder |
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| 13:30.05 | xomrk | i have locate -i '*lana*ey*' | grep "uzyka" |
| 13:30.08 | xomrk | and output |
| 13:30.13 | pythonsnake | jelly: how can i check if it's in RESident or swap |
| 13:30.17 | xomrk | /home/bolo/Muzyka/2012/Listopad/32 Lana Del Rey - Ride (Explicit Edit).mp3 |
| 13:30.17 | xomrk | /home/bolo/Muzyka/2012/Luty/15 Lana Del Rey - Born To Die.mp3 |
| 13:30.17 | xomrk | /home/bolo/Muzyka/2012/Luty/19 Lana Del Rey - Video Games.mp3 |
| 13:30.17 | xomrk | /home/bolo/Muzyka/2012/Maj/32 Lana Del Rey - Blue Jeans.mp3 |
| 13:30.17 | xomrk | /home/bolo/Muzyka/2012/wrzesien/Lana Del Rey - Summertime Sadness.mp3 |
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| 13:31.18 | jelly | !tell xomrk about using find |
| 13:31.18 | Hardisk | ChrisH: none :/ |
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| 13:31.49 | xxzz | too late |
| 13:31.58 | jelly | pythonsnake: those are different columns in top. |
| 13:32.01 | xxzz | s/he/it got booted |
| 13:32.17 | ChrisH | Hardisk: Boot CD/stick at hand? Boot from stick and mount / and remove PW from /etc/shadow :) |
| 13:32.38 | jelly | xxzz: dpkg can still send him a /msg even if he's not in the channel |
| 13:32.41 | Hardisk | ChrisH: None either altough i'm scared i'm gonna have to end up finding one |
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| 13:32.51 | pythonsnake | jelly: i got 250in VIRT |
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| 13:33.26 | Hardisk | ChrisH: I'll waste no more time and do that, thanks :) |
| 13:33.42 | jelly | pythonsnake: ignore that, most apps these days ask for more address space than they're ever going to use |
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| 13:34.52 | pythonsnake | 7k in res |
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| 13:37.04 | fritz` | Hi.all.Is there anybody known that when will debian 7.0 release |
| 13:37.40 | jelly | fritz`: signs point to "this year" |
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| 13:38.13 | fritz` | thanks. |
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| 13:39.28 | wols_ | jelly: without extending any months? say a december with 360 days? |
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| 13:40.47 | fritz` | someone said that maybe Feb. |
| 13:41.15 | zetheroo | so it would seem that if we want to continue using Debian on our KVM servers we will have to use the experimental packages of libvirt and qemu ... otherwise we have to go with another distro ... so I am wondering how good an idea is it to use the experimental packages? |
| 13:41.31 | wols_ | !tell zetheroo about ssb |
| 13:41.38 | wols_ | zetheroo: you do a backport (if possible |
| 13:42.04 | zetheroo | backport does not look recent enough either |
| 13:43.15 | zetheroo | it's all really old stuff ... |
| 13:43.34 | Sevet | you could try creating a more recent backport from the experimental packages, installing experimental packages directly (mixing distributions) is not a good idea |
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| 13:47.02 | bluesm | Is there any way to have "one window" which will be always focused ? |
| 13:47.22 | bluesm | I mean this would be hidden but will always capture all key events ? |
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| 13:48.28 | abrotman | sounds like a virus :) |
| 13:48.47 | pythonsnake | why are some numbers in htop like RES not with mb suffix |
| 13:48.50 | pythonsnake | ? |
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| 13:49.06 | cardamon | http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch08s06.html.en Will this work for building any kernel? |
| 13:49.25 | bluesm | abrotman: Eh everybody... |
| 13:49.53 | bluesm | abrotman: I have html5 player. I make myself javascript handlers for keys events |
| 13:50.21 | bluesm | abrotman: But Want to have "semi-focus" all the time |
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| 13:52.00 | cardamon | What package does the kernel come from? linux-image and linux-headers? |
| 13:52.17 | Sevet | pythonsnake: probably beacause they're <1mb? |
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| 13:53.02 | pythonsnake | yup |
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| 13:54.37 | zetheroo | <PROTECTED> |
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| 13:58.40 | tralala | is it possible to set up different dns servers for different domains? |
| 13:59.08 | CissWit | "/win TC |
| 13:59.15 | CissWit | sorry :( |
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| 14:01.04 | MxG | tralala: dnsmasq with the 'server' config param |
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| 14:01.21 | ChrisH | tralala: yes.. but its also possible to setup one bind server for different domains |
| 14:01.36 | Sarajevo | how can i disable stack randomisation in debian |
| 14:01.50 | Sarajevo | so the stack address always stays same |
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| 14:04.03 | tralala | ChrisH, MxG, I didn't express myself correctly. I want my resolver to query two different servers based on domain. |
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| 14:05.18 | ChrisH | tralala: I did only find the solution to setup a caching only bind which is able to route requested based on the domain to different servers. I am interessted in different setup, too. |
| 14:05.58 | Aktau | My VT switching seems kind of slow, which I'm using as a check to see if I'm running in KMS mode |
| 14:06.05 | Aktau | Is there a better way? |
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| 14:06.36 | tralala | ChrisH, I see. That's what I want to avoid - setting up a local DNS server. |
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| 14:07.50 | Innocentus | I set up an hostname and samba |
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| 14:07.59 | Innocentus | but I cannot ping the debian machine with its hostname |
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| 14:08.12 | Innocentus | only by its ip address |
| 14:08.42 | Sarajevo | sysctl -w kernel.randomize_va_space=0 <- does this work on debian |
| 14:08.47 | Sarajevo | can anyone tell me please |
| 14:08.50 | Towzzer | who me grep 'localhost' /etc/hosts |
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| 14:09.27 | Towzzer | sarajevo, I thought only redhat randomized memory |
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| 14:10.21 | Innocentus | anyone? |
| 14:10.33 | Sarajevo | seems that every modern linux distro comes with aslr enabled by default |
| 14:10.46 | Sarajevo | i guess, i'm not from the linux world |
| 14:11.11 | Towzzer | innocentus, sorry, can you do grep localhost /etc/hosts |
| 14:11.15 | tralala | Innocentus, samba will not do name resolution for you. |
| 14:11.35 | tralala | Towzzer, what for? |
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| 14:12.08 | Towzzer | Linux has enabled a weak form of ASLR by default since kernel version 2.6.12 (released June 2005). |
| 14:12.24 | bniels | Innocentus, you will have to have a DNS server in your lan that knows your debian machine by name (can be automated, if the DNS server takes what the client sends as its hostname via DHCP). or you can set up your local hosts file on the box you're trying to ping from (if the debian machine has a static ip address) |
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| 14:13.10 | Innocentus | but the other debian box can be pinged by its windows hostname (samba) |
| 14:13.20 | Innocentus | so it works out of the box, but not for the other debian |
| 14:13.23 | tralala | Innocentus, from windows? |
| 14:13.33 | Innocentus | yes |
| 14:13.42 | Innocentus | from a windows box machine 1 is pingable by host, but not machine 2 |
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| 14:15.00 | tralala | Innocentus, either the other machine has a DNS entry in the lan or windows finds it through samba |
| 14:15.31 | tralala | however I think the windows name resolution service is different than samba |
| 14:16.04 | Sarajevo | in case anyone's interested, disabling aslr definitely works with sysctl -w kernel.randomize_va_space=0 |
| 14:16.07 | Sarajevo | no need to reset or any shit |
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| 14:17.32 | tralala | Innocentus, yes, found it - it's winbind. You have to set this up for windows to find it. It won't work on any linux boxes though. |
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| 14:22.41 | pythonsnake | how do i do a ram load test |
| 14:23.27 | tralala | memtest |
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| 14:23.57 | pythonsnake | how can i create some sort of ig file |
| 14:23.59 | pythonsnake | big* |
| 14:24.05 | Innocentus | well |
| 14:24.17 | MxG | tralala: don't think you can achieve that (cherry pick resolver based on domain) with the libc resolver, but by running a dnsmasq on loopback iface and sending all queries to it you can direct upstream queries based on domain and is very light on resources |
| 14:24.18 | Innocentus | look, I can set up a windows computer in a network with a name and it can be found directly |
| 14:24.19 | Sevet | pythonsnake: dd if=/dev/urandom of=/path/to/file bs=CNT |
| 14:24.26 | Innocentus | without any prerequisites |
| 14:24.37 | Innocentus | and now the same should work with linux and samba |
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| 14:24.58 | Sevet | i mean, dd if=/dev/urandom of=/path/to/file bs=1024 count=CNT |
| 14:25.01 | Innocentus | but this is only the case for machine 1 - machine 2 can ping itself (locally) by its hostname, but not on the windows box |
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| 14:26.25 | Sevet | pythonsnake: depends what sort of big file you want though and what you want in it really. that's just a file with completely random data in. |
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| 14:27.29 | pythonsnake | nbm |
| 14:27.31 | pythonsnake | nbmnvm |
| 14:27.35 | pythonsnake | nvm** |
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| 14:28.21 | bint | when moving a lage file from mv lage.file ../../newdirectory/ - is it possible to show somehow the progress |
| 14:28.28 | bint | i'm using putty via ssh |
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| 14:29.58 | ChrisH | pythonsnake: big file : dd if=/dev/zero of=FILE bs=1m count=XXX no need to use /dev/urandom for a big file |
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| 14:31.07 | pythonsnake | ChrisH: apt-get upgrade is enough as a test thanks :D |
| 14:31.48 | ChrisH | does not see any connection between creating a big file and apt-get upgrade |
| 14:31.50 | tralala | MxG, I was afraid that would be the case. |
| 14:32.00 | Towzzer | how about dd if=/dev/zero of=file bs=5g count=1 |
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| 14:33.13 | ChrisH | Towzzer: I would expect dd with bs=5g to be less performant (if it works at all) then some more resonable blocksize matching the avaliable RAM |
| 14:33.29 | tralala | MxG, I don't mind dnsmasq, but I wanted know if it's possible to push DNS "routing" entries when a VPN tunnel is established. |
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| 14:33.54 | Towzzer | there is also a seek command |
| 14:34.08 | ex0a | Is it possible to convert a soft raid 1 to raid 0 without losing data? |
| 14:34.08 | tralala | Innocentus, set up winbind on the linux machine |
| 14:34.09 | Towzzer | which creates the inode but doesn't fill the file |
| 14:34.18 | Towzzer | ex0a, no |
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| 14:34.24 | Towzzer | even with hardware raid that's not possible |
| 14:34.37 | Towzzer | because data is duplicated over 2 drives with raid1 but striped over 1or more drives with raid 0 |
| 14:34.44 | chudley_cannon | themill: from yesterday - why is deb-src for wheezy legit for mirrors, but not for wheezy/updates (which must stay at security.debian.org)? |
| 14:35.28 | TheGrey | o/ I've setup a RAID 1 on my install..It seems I cannot detect any more hard drives if I plug them in...help please! |
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| 14:35.31 | Innocentus | tralala: I hadn't have to this on the other debian machine, but it works |
| 14:35.39 | Innocentus | tralala: so I have to install winbind, right? |
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| 14:36.15 | tralala | Innocentus, I don't remember how it's done, but I'm sure you'll find a samba tutorial to lead you through the process. |
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| 14:36.22 | Innocentus | alright |
| 14:36.47 | invariant | !wheezy |
| 14:36.48 | dpkg | The release following squeeze will be called "wheezy" (the rubber toy penguin with a red bow tie) and will be Debian 7.0. Wheezy was frozen on June 30, 2012. Ask me about <testing>, <freeze>. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianWheezy #debian-next on irc.debian.org. |
| 14:37.41 | ex0a | Towzzer: would it be possible to break the raid1, split the data between the two disks, half the raid side (non-destructively), create a raid 0 on the second half of each disk, copy the data to that, then remove the raid 1 and extend the raid 0 (non-destructively) ? |
| 14:37.59 | ex0a | or is it not possible to resize the raid like that? |
| 14:38.10 | ex0a | *without losing data |
| 14:38.12 | Towzzer | I don't know |
| 14:38.24 | Towzzer | get an external hd, clone the raid to it, make a raid 0 |
| 14:38.26 | Towzzer | put it back |
| 14:38.28 | koollman | ex0a: it seems feasible. I wouldn't do it without a backup first |
| 14:38.35 | Towzzer | I've done that a bunch of times with acronic true image |
| 14:38.38 | ex0a | I don't have access to the machine or it wouldn't be an issue |
| 14:38.45 | Towzzer | which supports ext3 |
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| 14:40.04 | blixten | omg the hour is leeet |
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| 14:43.49 | bint | if i have a /stuff/folder1 and /stuff2/folder1 |
| 14:44.01 | bint | and i move mv /stuff2/folder1 /stuff/folder1 |
| 14:44.12 | bint | will the content be overwritten |
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| 14:44.22 | bint | and will it keep existing files.. ? |
| 14:44.29 | koollman | bint: no |
| 14:44.56 | bint | it will delte the older folder1 |
| 14:45.01 | bint | and replace it with the new folder1 ? |
| 14:45.09 | jelly | bint: you will ned up with /stuff/folder1/folder1 |
| 14:45.14 | jelly | end* up |
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| 14:45.28 | koollman | bint: if the second argument of mv is a directory, it moves the first argument in the directory |
| 14:45.35 | bint | ah ok |
| 14:45.43 | no_gravity | Hello! How do I know if my sound is played via pulse audio or via alsa? Or are both the same somehow? |
| 14:46.12 | bint | and if i'd go for |
| 14:46.24 | bint | mv stuff2/folder1 /stuff/ |
| 14:46.35 | bniels | no_gravity, they are not the same. alsa is more low-level. typically, pulseaudio uses alsa to do the actual sound output (unless your system uses OSS drivers) |
| 14:46.41 | bint | id would create folder1 - what already exists in /stuff/ |
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| 14:47.00 | bint | and would it overwrite the older folder1 with all files in it and move the new folder over it |
| 14:47.07 | bint | or would it extend the content of folder1 |
| 14:47.09 | no_gravity | bniels: ok, so i guess my system uses alsa AND pulse. |
| 14:47.19 | no_gravity | Im trying to play sound on two soundcards simultaneously. Any suggestions how to accomplish it? |
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| 14:48.11 | jelly | no_gravity: pulseaudio can help with routing sound in such a setup |
| 14:48.56 | jelly | let an application play something using PA, then use pavucontrol to pick which card it goes out to |
| 14:49.41 | koollman | bint: mkdir -p a other/a ; touch a/1 other/a/1 a/2 other/a/3 ; mv a other/ |
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| 14:49.59 | koollman | bint: you question is easy enough to test ;) |
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| 14:50.29 | no_gravity | jelly: ok, installing pavucontrol... |
| 14:51.40 | bint | true koollman |
| 14:51.44 | bint | i just tested it :) |
| 14:51.44 | bint | thanks |
| 14:52.14 | ChrisH | Towzzer: I just did a dd if=/dev/zero of=FILE bs=1G count=1 and it nearly screwed up my box, as expected |
| 14:53.17 | no_gravity | jelly: true, i can switch between the cards with pavucontrol. but i cannot set it so that it plays on BOTH cards. Or am I missing something? |
| 14:53.47 | themill | chudley_cannon: source packages are found in the same place as the binary packages. So source packages for the binary packages from security.d.o are on security.d.o |
| 14:54.07 | jelly | no_gravity: hm, is there no "simultaneous output to..." virtual card to choose from? |
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| 14:55.06 | jelly | no_gravity: if there isn't, run paprefs, Simultaneous Output tab |
| 14:55.22 | jelly | ... do not ask why PA needs half a dozen tools for configuration |
| 14:56.31 | no_gravity | jelly: no there is no such thing in pavucontrol. yes, i read about papfrefs already. but when i set that 'simultaneous...' thingy in paprefs, it does not work either. |
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| 14:57.14 | jelly | no_gravity: ok. set that, run "pactl exit" in command line to stop current pulseaudio; it will restart itself automatically |
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| 14:57.42 | no_gravity | jelly: after setting the simultaneous thingy in paprefs? |
| 14:58.00 | jelly | no_gravity: yes. the apps will get confused for a bit after pactl exit |
| 14:58.30 | no_gravity | jelly: i experimented a bit with paprefs and it seems to make a difference if i run it as root or as the user i use for gnome. as which user should i run it? |
| 14:58.58 | Towzzer | chris, why is that expected? |
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| 15:02.17 | jelly | no_gravity: both pulseaudio and paprefs should be run as normal user that logged in to X |
| 15:02.57 | jelly | no_gravity: I'd avoid running pulseaudio as a service as root |
| 15:03.27 | no_gravity | jelly: ok |
| 15:03.41 | no_gravity | jelly: pactl exit gives me: Connection failure: Connection refused |
| 15:04.26 | jelly | that's expected |
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| 15:04.57 | djeleas | Hi . Someone can help me for install the card reader of my laptop? I can't find a driver for linux. It's a leclevo W110 . |
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| 15:05.24 | jelly | <a> kill yourself! (pa kills itself) <a> oh noes, I got no response to the command! |
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| 15:05.28 | no_gravity | jelly: now when i run pavucontrol, i get "connection to pulseaudio failed" |
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| 15:05.55 | jelly | no_gravity: that's good as well. Instead, just press play in an app that's supposed to play music |
| 15:06.09 | cornfeed | is there a way to get apt to show a dependancy tree? |
| 15:06.11 | no_gravity | jelly: it plays on the internal soundcard then |
| 15:06.30 | jelly | no_gravity: verify a new pulseaudio process started |
| 15:06.39 | no_gravity | jelly: how? |
| 15:06.53 | jelly | ps -fe | grep pulseaudio |
| 15:07.23 | no_gravity | jelly: that comes back empty |
| 15:07.23 | jelly | jelly 6046 1 0 Jan07 ? 00:06:47 /usr/bin/pulseaudio --start --log-target=syslog |
| 15:07.31 | jelly | huh, so it didn't |
| 15:07.39 | jelly | no_gravity: did you install pulseaudio after logging in? |
| 15:07.55 | no_gravity | jelly: i installed pulseaudio? |
| 15:07.55 | ChrisH | Towzzer: as mentionted before, I expect dd to create a buffer in memory before starting to sync it out. |
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| 15:08.56 | Towzzer | sure |
| 15:08.56 | jelly | no_gravity: I'll take that as "no"... stop the app playing right now, and run "pulseaudio" manually for now |
| 15:09.00 | Towzzer | 1GB of memory isn't that much |
| 15:10.04 | Towzzer | how about dd if=/dev/zero of=file bs=1024 count=1 seek=10000000 |
| 15:10.08 | Towzzer | that sound be instant |
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| 15:10.17 | Towzzer | should |
| 15:10.22 | ChrisH | Towzzer: I did a strace on the dd and see mmap(NULL, 1060864, PROT_READ|PROT_WRITE, MAP_PRIVATE|MAP_ANONYMOUS, -1, 0) = 0x7f9a283a6000 before it starts to read/write. |
| 15:10.33 | no_gravity | jelly: that gives me this: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=d0Lnnbuu |
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| 15:13.12 | bniels | Towzzer, that would create a sparse file, but with the last piece allocated. "truncate" is better for creating completely empty and completely sparse files |
| 15:13.42 | bniels | s/empty/zeroed/ |
| 15:13.44 | sylar | I am trying to mount a dual layer dvd in my usb dvd drive, and it doesn't work |
| 15:14.19 | sylar | syslog say usb 1-2: USB disconnect, device number 39 |
| 15:14.20 | ChrisH | sylar: Is your DVD Drive capable of dual layer DVDs? |
| 15:14.47 | sylar | ChrisH, I searched, and it seems so it is GH22NS50 |
| 15:15.25 | sylar | scsi 155:0:0:0: CD-ROM HL-DT-ST DVDRAM GH22NS50 TN02 PQ: 0 ANSI: 0 |
| 15:17.35 | ChrisH | sylar: confirmed... then please define does not work |
| 15:18.34 | sylar | ChrisH, I don't see the disk |
| 15:19.11 | ChrisH | sylar: please pastebin df -h ; dmesg ; mount ; lsusb to paste.debian.net |
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| 15:19.29 | sylar | ok |
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| 15:24.00 | sylar | http://paste.debian.net/224948/ |
| 15:24.25 | jelly | no_gravity: pastebin.com doesn't work for me at present time, care to repost to paste.ubuntu.com or somewhere else that works |
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| 15:25.16 | no_gravity | jelly: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1534507/ |
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| 15:25.28 | no_gravity | jelly: tried this solution: http://askubuntu.com/questions/165777/how-do-i-get-rid-of-this-module-combine-error-in-pulse-audio |
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| 15:25.34 | sylar | ChrisH, http://paste.debian.net/224948/ the df -h and mount don't have anything about sr0 |
| 15:25.38 | no_gravity | jelly: then i only get the "killed" |
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| 15:26.16 | ChrisH | sylar: there is no USB Device connected. Did you unplug the cable(s)? |
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| 15:29.36 | jelly | no_gravity: eh, the message is basically just a warning; the process getting killed might have a different cause |
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| 15:29.55 | jelly | no_gravity: ok, instead of that, can you log out and log back in, see if pulseaudio gets started that way? |
| 15:30.09 | sylar | ChrisH, no, the usb is still in |
| 15:30.10 | no_gravity | jelly: i tried rebooting several times already. |
| 15:30.36 | sylar | ChrisH, maybe I should try an other cable |
| 15:30.37 | no_gravity | jelly: i have to say that im trying this on my mint partition. maybe i should boot into a debian partition. |
| 15:30.52 | jelly | no_gravity: I have to say I know nothing about mint. |
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| 15:31.20 | no_gravity | jelly: i would think its based on debian unstable. |
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| 15:31.44 | jelly | try reproducing the issue in debian proper, please |
| 15:31.45 | no_gravity | the last comment here exactly describes my problem: http://askubuntu.com/questions/165777/how-do-i-get-rid-of-this-module-combine-error-in-pulse-audio |
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| 15:32.04 | no_gravity | jelly: ok, rebooting.. see you in 5 minutes... |
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| 15:34.00 | no_gravity | jelly: ok, here i am on Debian 6. |
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| 15:34.32 | jelly | for a start, is there an pulseaudio process running at all |
| 15:34.35 | `Pip | (i've tried #exim) Could anyone possibly poke me in the right direction with setting up a forward/redirect for outgoing remote domain emails to a local domain with exim4? |
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| 15:35.17 | no_gravity | jelly: "ps aux | grep pulse" comes back empty |
| 15:35.28 | jelly | no_gravity: is it installed? |
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| 15:35.49 | no_gravity | jelly: no, it doesnt seem so |
| 15:36.04 | no_gravity | jelly: you think i should do "apt-get install pulseaudio"? |
| 15:36.18 | no_gravity | jelly: im a bit afraid to tamper with my rock solid debian installation... |
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| 15:40.39 | no_gravity | well fuck it lets go... |
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| 15:41.11 | linux1 | hi |
| 15:41.13 | jelly | no_gravity: install all of: pulseaudio paprefs pavucontrol |
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| 15:41.21 | no_gravity | jelly: ok... |
| 15:41.31 | linux1 | how do I increase memory on a VM |
| 15:41.49 | linux1 | the VM guest is under Xen host |
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| 15:43.46 | no_gravity | jelly: did it. running "pulsaudio" gives me: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1534571/ |
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| 15:44.17 | no_gravity | jelly: running "pavucontrol" gives me "connection failed: connection refused". |
| 15:44.37 | no_gravity | jelly: trying to reboot. one moment... |
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| 15:47.45 | shomon | hi, how do you get flash player plugin running on debian.. maybe in a way so it's easy to update? |
| 15:47.47 | no_gravity | jelly: im back... |
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| 15:47.57 | shomon | just download from adobe's site.. or is there a package for it? |
| 15:48.33 | no_gravity | jelly: now after reboot paprefs and pavucontrol work... lets play some music ... |
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| 15:50.06 | no_gravity | jelly: guess what - it works !!! |
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| 15:50.16 | jelly | imagine that |
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| 15:50.18 | no_gravity | jelly: thank you so much! |
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| 15:50.49 | jelly | np |
| 15:51.41 | linux1 | How do i increase existing memory on a debian VM. The debian VM is hosted under Xen. |
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| 15:52.17 | no_gravity | jelly: the sound is even somewhat in sync. even though one card sends it over the air. |
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| 15:56.56 | sylar | ChrisH, it was a cable issue. Thanks for helping :) |
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| 15:57.25 | ChrisH | sylar: fine... you're welcome |
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| 15:59.06 | cardamon | Razzafrazza...no man page for cabal |
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| 16:03.00 | bint | hmm |
| 16:03.10 | bint | i moved a folder via mv command |
| 16:03.19 | bint | after a couple of minutes my inet shut down |
| 16:03.24 | bint | and i lost connection to the shell |
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| 16:03.28 | bint | is it still movin now? |
| 16:03.40 | bint | its a folder, about 300GB in size |
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| 16:03.54 | bint | and now i dont know wheter its still movin or not |
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| 16:04.33 | ChrisH | bint: I would not expect the process to continue. Make yourself familiar with screen |
| 16:04.34 | petemc | bint: probably not, can check with ps |
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| 16:05.14 | babilen | bint: The process did, most likely, die unless you started it inside screen/tmux or with nohup. (you /really/ should work inside screen or tmux whenever you do something over SSH) |
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| 16:05.28 | babilen | bint: Did you move it between different filesystems? |
| 16:05.51 | queso | I am on wheezy using mozilla.debian.net's method if installing newer versions of icweasel. When trying to upgrade to the latest version, I get this http://dpaste.com/877920/ Help please? |
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| 16:09.21 | bint | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:09.21 | bint | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:09.21 | bint | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:09.32 | bint | so there is no mv command in action uh? |
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| 16:10.13 | ChrisH | bint: run ps -ef | grep mv |
| 16:10.46 | bint | bint 7138 7051 0 17:10 pts/2 00:00:00 grep mv |
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| 16:11.48 | JRWR | I'm setting up a Disk wiping machine using debian, I wanted a way to detect when the disk started to throw errors (Bad sectors and the sorts) and run a command when this happends, so far I've found no way to do this |
| 16:12.19 | JRWR | Does someone know a proper method to do this, or should I just make a log watcher |
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| 16:12.39 | PaulDiSecundo | hello |
| 16:12.40 | ChrisH | bint: well, then mv terminated. now check using ls what happened and move the rest. |
| 16:12.55 | PaulDiSecundo | HOW TO USE WGET, to call a website but DON'T SAVE results on disk |
| 16:13.01 | PaulDiSecundo | i just want to ping website |
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| 16:13.09 | PaulDiSecundo | call php script from cronjob |
| 16:13.11 | JRWR | PaulDiSecundo: wget -O - |
| 16:13.12 | ChrisH | PaulDiSecundo: man wget search for -O |
| 16:13.21 | bint | ChrisH yes i did that and several files are already moved |
| 16:13.22 | Towzzer | Paul - I think you just want to do telnet host 80 :D |
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| 16:13.26 | bint | now can i just resome the movin somehow? |
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| 16:13.35 | JRWR | PaulDiSecundo: the GET command is also nice |
| 16:13.40 | bint | i'll use tmux this time.. similar to screen |
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| 16:13.44 | PaulDiSecundo | how to use it? GET address? |
| 16:13.47 | PaulDiSecundo | same like wget |
| 16:13.49 | PaulDiSecundo | ? |
| 16:13.49 | ChrisH | or curl |
| 16:13.55 | JRWR | yep |
| 16:14.02 | JRWR | there are tons of ways of doing it |
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| 16:15.40 | PaulDiSecundo | JRWR ChrisH thanks |
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| 16:16.45 | babilen | bint: You might want to continue with rsync (so that you don't have to copy everything again) |
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| 16:26.28 | TheGrey | o/ Can I ask something?......I've been running debian and intermittently I have no connection with my mouse and keyboard...How can I find out a solution or bug report? |
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| 16:30.42 | ChrisH | TheGrey: check dmesg/messages around that time. Are Mouse/Keyboard wired ones? |
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| 16:50.26 | Aktau | I can't get my sandy bridge (intel hd 3000 I reckon) to give me a virtual resolution of 1080p with xrandr |
| 16:50.34 | Aktau | Been scouring the internet for hours |
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| 16:50.50 | Aktau | Does anybody know anything about these issues? |
| 16:51.07 | Aktau | (oops, forgot to say, using squeeze) |
| 16:52.08 | babilen | Aktau: Which version of Debian do you use? |
| 16:52.20 | Aktau | Squeeze 6.06 |
| 16:52.22 | themill | Aktau: for squeeze, you'll need the backports kernel and xorg (/msg dpkg bpo kernel ; /msg dpkg bpo xorg). You might be better off just upgrading to wheezy (/msg dpkg squeeze->wheezy) |
| 16:52.29 | babilen | Aktau: Ah, thanks. Do you use a newer kernel and/or Xorg? |
| 16:52.37 | Aktau | All standard stuff babilen |
| 16:52.48 | babilen | Aktau: In that case see what themill just said :) |
| 16:52.59 | babilen | Aktau: Is this an old installation? |
| 16:53.09 | Aktau | themill: can't upgrade now as that would increase project completion time by too much. Kinda invested in squeeze |
| 16:53.14 | Aktau | Stability is pretty important |
| 16:53.34 | Aktau | Is this a known issue? Will using the back ports fix it? |
| 16:53.52 | themill | it's known that sandy bridge support in squeeze is crap and squeeze-backports is a bit better. |
| 16:53.56 | Aktau | For my personal stuff I run the latest debian and some arch, but for the project I can't |
| 16:54.16 | babilen | Aktau: Some SandyBridge features are only supported by newer kernels and that GPU needs a newer version of xserver-xorg-video-intel -- You have to upgrade those. if you can't upgrade to wheezy you should/have to install it from backports. |
| 16:54.34 | Aktau | hmmm |
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| 16:54.46 | Aktau | It will increase testing time but hopefully not by too much |
| 16:54.48 | haylo | Aktau: i have heard the same thing as they are telling you. in this case, the "upgrade" to newer is probably "better" |
| 16:55.18 | babilen | Aktau: It might be better from backports, but I would personally recommend to upgrade to wheezy -- What kind of "project" is this? You might want to tell us more about your constraints |
| 16:56.00 | Aktau | babilen: make pcs preloaded with a linux + our own software that play movies, rss feeds etc.. in places of business |
| 16:56.02 | themill | Aktau: wheezy has been frozen for a few months now and will release in a couple of months. It's not really much of a moving target any more if that would be ok. |
| 16:56.05 | Aktau | They have to be running for months on end |
| 16:56.08 | Aktau | So stability is key |
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| 16:56.35 | haylo | Aktau: you are going to need to learn "wheezy" anyway to make proper debian systems that will run for the next 3 years |
| 16:56.37 | babilen | Aktau: wheezy will be released as stable soon and with that hardware platform I would just target that. |
| 16:56.41 | cardamon | Can anyone tell me what cabal-debian does? What's it mean by "creates a debianization of a cabal package"? |
| 16:56.53 | Aktau | I might be able to convince the other guys, might not. Project is already over time so very unlikely the the ones that contracted us are willing to put up with more |
| 16:57.56 | babilen | Aktau: I understand your constraints, but for that hardware platform you will need /at least/ a newer kernel and Xorg. Both are (for Xorg in an older version) in backports, but /that/ setup has not been tested extensively and I would trust pure wheezy more if I were you |
| 16:58.00 | themill | cardamon: it's a haskell library/module |
| 16:58.25 | Aktau | babilen: Thanks for understanding :). And I understand your response as well, I believe |
| 16:58.31 | themill | Aktau: either moving to older hardware or newer software seems to be required here. |
| 16:58.36 | Aktau | You're saying that back ports is probably less stable than wheezy now? |
| 16:58.40 | themill | (or putting up with vesa) |
| 16:58.52 | Aktau | No way, we need high def video (in chrome no less) |
| 16:59.11 | Aktau | Everything is actually displayed in a full screen chrome window |
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| 16:59.22 | Aktau | I was late to the project and couldn't believe it at first either |
| 16:59.25 | Aktau | But it does kinda work |
| 16:59.38 | koollman | well .. how late is that project ? :) |
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| 16:59.40 | Aktau | Most screens are 1080p |
| 16:59.48 | Aktau | 3 months over time |
| 16:59.53 | Aktau | On a total time budget of 3 months |
| 16:59.55 | babilen | Aktau: "stable" for Debian means "not changing" -- I am saying that wheezy is probably more stable as in "unbroken, usable" than the Xorg from backports solution. I /do not/ have tested that extensively and there just aren't that many people who use that setup. |
| 17:00.18 | koollman | Aktau: oh. someone forgot to double the time estimation ? ;) |
| 17:00.23 | Aktau | Yep |
| 17:00.31 | Aktau | they did not have the common sense for that |
| 17:00.39 | Aktau | Or maybe they though 1.5 months was sufficient |
| 17:00.51 | Aktau | At any scale, stuff shows up, takes days to handle |
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| 17:00.55 | babilen | Aktau: another thing to keep in mind is that squeeze will only bee supported for a year after the release of wheezy. That gives you about 1 ½ years for squeeze for now. If you aim to support that platform for longer than that you want the backing of the project and you should simply target wheezy |
| 17:01.01 | Aktau | People want to use flashiest stuff, takes days to handle |
| 17:01.06 | themill | Aktau: my personal experience of intel drivers in squeeze and squeeze-backports is that they are much less crashy in wheezy. (not sandy-bridge, but arrandale) |
| 17:01.42 | Aktau | themill: nice. However, crashing is something they haven't done for us yet. In fact we're getting decent stuff out of them. Very strange |
| 17:01.55 | Aktau | It's just that the resolution detection and forcing seems to be way off |
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| 17:02.17 | themill | it sounds like you're not using the intel driver though |
| 17:02.19 | Aktau | ie: xrandr becomes a pain and is nigh unusable |
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| 17:02.22 | haylo | I would make a custom debian for that project with debian live-build. Way better solutoin than figuring out how to do x number of similiar installs. |
| 17:02.32 | Aktau | I'm reasonably sure we are using the intel driver |
| 17:02.38 | Aktau | direct rendering is on at the very least |
| 17:02.42 | Aktau | glxgears gives about 700 fps |
| 17:02.45 | haylo | and then just give each user, custom boot parameters for username and stuff |
| 17:02.57 | themill | Aktau: I'd check Xorg.0.log ... |
| 17:02.57 | koollman | Aktau: hardware was known/fixed 3 months ago ? how is it that you're noticing now ? (I'm not trying to find responsibility, just to imagine a way to solve this project with minimal troubles) |
| 17:03.46 | Aktau | going to double check the log |
| 17:03.46 | haylo | glxgears doesnt give 700fps with intel driver without some modifications |
| 17:03.57 | haylo | sounds like there is a video card |
| 17:04.12 | Aktau | koollman: because most stuff runs ok, just some screens don't immediately get the right resolution |
| 17:04.20 | Aktau | koollman: and don't advertise that they can do it either |
| 17:04.29 | cardamon | It shouldn't give 700fps period. |
| 17:04.54 | Aktau | It's the integrated card of an as rock H61 chipset |
| 17:05.02 | Aktau | Intel HD 2000/3000 |
| 17:05.05 | cardamon | It's suppossedly to drop the framerate after a threshold where additional frames become uncessary. |
| 17:05.11 | Aktau | (rev 09) so I've been able to deduce 3000 |
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| 17:06.10 | koollman | Aktau: can you paste the output of those somewhere: lspci -vnn | grep VGA ; xdpyinfo; |
| 17:06.27 | Aktau | ok |
| 17:08.55 | Aktau | http://pastebin.com/pCDG9AEZ koollman |
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| 17:11.51 | Aktau | I'm also finding it a bit hard to determine the currently active driver, I've always supposed its the intel one given the obvious hardware acceleration |
| 17:12.04 | Aktau | But can't even find it after scanning Xorg.0.log |
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| 17:21.46 | Aktau | koollman: anything that arouses suspicion? |
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| 17:23.27 | koollman | Aktau: not really. what's the output of : xrandr ? |
| 17:23.58 | Aktau | I'll run back to my office, dinner was ready |
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| 17:29.16 | hje841 | how do you deploy a gSOAP webservice written as a stand alone server in C++? |
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| 17:30.12 | Jmircuser | Hello! |
| 17:30.18 | Aktau | koollman: pastebin.com/vFJjciyC |
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| 17:31.48 | Jmircuser | Anyone knows about plans for the wheezy release? |
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| 17:33.58 | sney | Jmircuser, it'll be released once the rc bugs are resolved. |
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| 17:40.15 | david89 | What is the name of the qt package? |
| 17:40.34 | sney | which qt package |
| 17:41.14 | david89 | sney: the one that provides libQtCore.so.4 |
| 17:41.24 | sney | !apt-file |
| 17:41.25 | nkuttler | david89: /msg dpkg search |
| 17:41.25 | dpkg | apt-file is a utility used to find which package owns a given file - or list files in a package - even if it is not installed: "aptitude install apt-file && apt-file update" ; then "apt-file search filename" to see a list of packages containing filename (can also use a regular expression; see man apt-file). You can also search online, ask me about <pdo>. See also <auto-apt>, <dlocate>. |
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| 17:43.47 | DelphiWorld | hi everyone |
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| 17:44.01 | DelphiWorld | anyone runing wheesy please pastebin me a source.list |
| 17:44.18 | meLon | How can I use the output of a command as the input file for *dd*? |
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| 17:45.03 | sney | !tell DelphiWorld about wheezy sources.list |
| 17:45.49 | DelphiWorld | sney: , http://security.debian.org/ should i use another mirror ? |
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| 17:46.16 | sney | DelphiWorld, no, security.debian.org is fine |
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| 17:46.39 | DelphiWorld | sney: i dont want dear debian to keep getting bandwidth issue ;-) |
| 17:46.54 | sney | security is meant to handle it |
| 17:47.12 | babilen | dpkg: tell DelphiWorld -about make wheezy sources.list |
| 17:47.39 | babilen | DelphiWorld: That includes some repositories that are not yet important though |
| 17:47.41 | sney | hmm. why are there 2 factoids for that |
| 17:47.49 | DelphiWorld | Thank a lot babilen |
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| 17:48.37 | babilen | sney: "make $FOO sources.list" is a command that works for every stable release and contains the seminal repositories. (not necessarily applicable for testing/unstable/experimental/...) |
| 17:48.51 | sney | ah, neat |
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| 17:49.37 | babilen | sney: It simply replaces a placeholder in the factoid and isn't intelligent at all :) |
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| 17:50.19 | sney | and yesterday themill triggered it and it still referenced squeeze-updates, so I guess it's a new thing |
| 17:50.57 | themill | it was one of those things that seemed like a good idea at the time but probably wasn't |
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| 17:52.00 | xsappyx | meLon: just pipe your data to dd |
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| 17:58.54 | DelphiWorld | olegfusion: how is russia doing |
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| 18:11.53 | olegfusion | DelphiWorld, Russia is fine |
| 18:12.04 | DelphiWorld | olegfusion: ;) |
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| 18:12.29 | DelphiWorld | olegfusion: i guessed from your nickname;-) |
| 18:12.34 | olegfusion | ;) |
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| 18:13.59 | meLon | I'd like to pipe the output of two commands into the input of a single command. Reverse tee, kind-of. Any suggestions? |
| 18:15.39 | DelphiWorld | meLon: i think | or &> |
| 18:15.44 | DelphiWorld | i dont know the diference |
| 18:16.58 | berarma | meLon: using an intermediate file |
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| 18:18.03 | boudiccas | i had logwatch runnign , and then i installed 'tenshi' and subsequently removed it, but now 'logwatch' does not run. how can i get logwatch running properly again please? |
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| 18:18.43 | boudiccas | i have removed logwatch, purged it, and then reinstalled but its still not running |
| 18:19.32 | sney | confmiss, maybe? |
| 18:19.52 | sney | though it'd be a bug if tenshi was removing/messing with another package's config files |
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| 18:21.45 | berarma | boudiccas: have you tried purging tenshi too? |
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| 18:22.45 | boudiccas | berarma: its gone, no longer on my system! what benefit would purging a non-installed programme serve? |
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| 18:22.57 | LtL | boudiccas: /etc/init.d/rsyslog stop|start maybe |
| 18:23.35 | LtL | probably won't help but maybe |
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| 18:24.14 | boudiccas | LtL: done, hopefully logwatch will start in the morning, thanks |
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| 18:24.27 | LtL | boudiccas: does /etc/logrotate.conf exist too |
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| 18:27.28 | boudiccas | LtL: yes it does, and , did you know that 'logwatch /etc/logrotate.conf' doesn't work! |
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| 18:27.53 | boudiccas | :) |
| 18:28.32 | Lis | Hi everyone. I try to do a aptitude update the whole day now. And it stops with the annoying "Waiting for header" message. Can someone help me with that problem? |
| 18:29.12 | sney | lis, how long have you waited for it to finish waiting for headers |
| 18:29.19 | Lis | 2 hours |
| 18:29.23 | Armand | O_O |
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| 18:29.26 | LtL | boudiccas: /etc/logrotate.d/rsyslog should show rotation settings |
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| 18:30.03 | Lis | then i waited another 4 hours and tried it again... same error |
| 18:30.34 | boudiccas | LtL: seems to be okay and sane commands |
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| 18:31.01 | LtL | boudiccas: or possiblt /etc/logrotate.conf does the actually rotation. not sure |
| 18:31.03 | sney | Lis, delete the contents of /var/lib/apt/lists/ and try again. |
| 18:31.04 | jelly-home | Lis: one or more of the configured repos doesn't properly answer, figure out which one and leave it disabled |
| 18:31.14 | sney | or that. |
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| 18:31.47 | Lis | jelly-home, that would be security.debian.org.... |
| 18:32.04 | Lis | sney a rm -r ? |
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| 18:32.56 | jelly-home | Lis: huh. do you have ipv6 connectivity? What if you force one specific IP for security.debian.org in /etc/hosts? |
| 18:32.57 | sney | Lis, well let's take a closer look first. can you pastebin the apt output where this happens? |
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| 18:35.52 | Lis | "rm -r /var/lib/apt/lists; mkdir /var/lib/apt/lists/partial; aptitude update" solved the problem already thank you booth |
| 18:36.49 | sney | no problem |
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| 18:46.31 | Unfortune | hi fridz |
| 18:46.38 | Unfortune | n |
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| 18:46.51 | Unfortune | how come compiz doesnt work in debian7 |
| 18:47.23 | sney | it didn't get a freeze exemption |
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| 18:47.58 | sney | I think the sid version is installable in testing, but I haven't tried personally |
| 18:48.57 | sney | more information on the package status here http://release.debian.org/migration/testing.pl?package=compiz |
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| 19:06.29 | h00ked | hi, is there anyone, who succesfuly tried conky on wheeze (testing) on Gnome3 - gnome-shell ? |
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| 19:09.19 | jhutchins | h00ked: Yes, I saw someone in here a week or so ago who was using it. Said it was slow though. |
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| 19:11.12 | h00ked | hm.. im trying, but... good to know it can work, thx :) with my lenovo ideacentre Q180 (stupid grafic card) without 3D acceleration is... :D |
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| 19:12.55 | hje841 | how do I use find to list all pdf-files in current and subdirectories so that I can grep on the filename ? |
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| 19:13.29 | sney | find . -iname "*.pdf" for instance |
| 19:13.31 | don_armstrong | hje841: find . -iname '*foofilename*.pdf'; is probably what you want. |
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| 19:14.18 | hje841 | dondelelcaro, thanks |
| 19:15.16 | jhutchins | wonders why iname instead of name... |
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| 19:15.47 | jhutchins | k, case insenitive. |
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| 19:19.27 | r0b- | why would Debian require firmware for 1 Intel pro100 card but not another. |
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| 19:20.22 | abrotman | different revision |
| 19:20.33 | r0b- | oh ok |
| 19:20.45 | abrotman | look at the actual PCIID |
| 19:20.54 | r0b- | when it installs. |
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| 19:27.54 | r0b- | can ifenslave work with dhcp? |
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| 19:32.48 | smile | byee :) |
| 19:33.35 | Towzzer | bye |
| 19:33.35 | r0b- | or has anyone attempted this? |
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| 19:36.34 | blackness | for some reason, ipv6 stopped working so i tried a he.net tunnel and modprobe ipv6 reports is not found, how do i enable it? |
| 19:36.50 | blackness | ip a|grep inet6 shows ipv6 is working but i cannot ping anythig |
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| 19:37.44 | gedO | Hello |
| 19:37.44 | davidgul | hello |
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| 19:38.42 | Aktau | Hey guys, I'm trying to install some packages from squeeze backports |
| 19:38.51 | Aktau | However, if I already have a packages it says it is up-to-date |
| 19:38.58 | Aktau | Even though there is a newer version in backports |
| 19:39.14 | Aktau | And I am using the -t squeeze-backports option, btw |
| 19:39.18 | davidgul | how can i auto-mount nfs share that i have on my NAS server. (Protected with username and password) ? |
| 19:39.20 | Aktau | How can I "force" an upgrade? |
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| 19:40.12 | tremon | !tell Aktau about bat |
| 19:41.07 | tremon | blackness: please paste ip -6 route show and ip link show |
| 19:41.29 | tremon | davidgul: put it in fstab? |
| 19:42.09 | davidgul | tremon : what i need to put what is the command ? |
| 19:42.23 | Aktau | Ok no prob tremon , I'm on it |
| 19:42.28 | tremon | davidgul: is it mounted now? |
| 19:42.43 | davidgul | tremon : No |
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| 19:44.25 | tremon | davidgul: the easiest way to find out what you need to put in fstab is to mount it manually, then copy the relevant line from /proc/mounts |
| 19:44.26 | blackness | tremon, http://pastebin.com/V5Bfan0J |
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| 19:45.07 | blackness | when i try 'modprobe ipv6' i get no module found.. |
| 19:45.14 | blackness | and it wasnt like that at midnight. |
| 19:45.25 | Towzzer | it must have turned back into a pumpkin |
| 19:45.27 | davidgul | tremon : Can you help me mounting it because i try and i can get it mounted |
| 19:45.32 | blackness | i guess.. |
| 19:45.36 | blackness | im lost.. |
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| 19:46.21 | ChibaPet | Hey all. So, I need to specify the noninteractive frontend for automated installs but I can't set the DEBIAN_FRONTEND environment variable. The following appears to work: "apt-get -o Debconf::FrontEnd=noninteractive install foo" Does this seem reasonable? |
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| 19:46.42 | Arrowmaster | why cant you set the env variable? |
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| 19:47.09 | Aktau | got it tremon : paste.debian.net/225043 |
| 19:47.18 | kyconquers | How can I change the size of the virtual monitor in wheezy? |
| 19:47.35 | ChibaPet | It's a side-effect and adding the debugging string I'd need to show it happening would involve too much churn for this. Silly requirement, but I'm trying to live within it. |
| 19:47.46 | tremon | blackness: I forgot, I need ip -6 address show too. Is 2001:4830:1600:3ca::1 the ip address of your own machine? |
| 19:48.38 | blackness | its from aiccu..i believe thats my endpoint.. |
| 19:48.46 | tremon | Aktau: you don't have squeeze-backports in your sources.list. Did you add it recently and forgot to apt-get update? |
| 19:48.47 | blackness | yes ::2 is the pop v6 endpoint |
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| 19:49.20 | blackness | tremon, http://pastebin.com/r6MFn6nZ |
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| 19:50.12 | blackness | weird in ip -6 address show, i dont see the 3ca::1 |
| 19:50.23 | ChibaPet | Oh, that doesn't work. Sigh. |
| 19:50.38 | ChibaPet | I think I'm on the right trail anyway. |
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| 19:50.56 | Aktau | tremon: wow, how strange |
| 19:51.04 | Aktau | tremon: I actually just booted into a back ports kernel |
| 19:51.18 | Aktau | tremon: I have no idea how the sources.list changed to its former state again |
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| 19:51.43 | tremon | blackness: no, 3ca::2 appears to be your local endpoint, and ::1 seems to be remote |
| 19:51.53 | Sir_Ragnarok | Anyone here with experience with launchtool? http://www.enricozini.org/sw/launchtool/ |
| 19:51.54 | blackness | ok.. |
| 19:51.59 | blackness | where should i go from here? |
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| 19:52.33 | ChibaPet | Aha, never mind, then. While I'd love to dig into this more, for now I can call /usr/bin/env DEBIAN_FRONTEND=noninteractive apt-get ... and have the right thing happen and not step on our debugging and dummy code. |
| 19:52.44 | tremon | blackness: please try to ping/traceroute/mtr the endpoint (ping6 2001:4830:1600:3ca::1) |
| 19:52.52 | blackness | ok..sec |
| 19:52.55 | Aktau | tremon: everything working now, thanks a bunch! |
| 19:53.15 | blackness | tremon: packets transmitted, 0 received, 100% packet loss, time 2016ms |
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| 19:54.05 | blackness | now i get a different result when i use tunnelbroker.net tremon.. |
| 19:54.26 | krofna | When I press ctrl+alt+f1(or any other <7), there is no tty there. How can I fix that? |
| 19:54.59 | blackness | [ 161.014936] tun0: no IPv6 routers present, i found this in dmesg tremon |
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| 19:55.22 | tremon | krofna: these are defined in /etc/inittab usually |
| 19:55.52 | tremon | blackness: might be harmless, that message is from the kernel RA client, you shouldn't need it for tunnels |
| 19:56.04 | blackness | okay |
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| 19:56.50 | tremon | blackness: I have no experience with settings up these tunnels though, can't really help you further. maybe ##linux has some pointers for you? |
| 19:56.59 | davidgul | some one can help me mount my NFS share that protected by user name and password |
| 19:57.05 | blackness | ok, how do i install kernel modules? |
| 19:57.14 | blackness | i dont have ipv6/ip6 in lsmod |
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| 19:57.39 | blackness | all the guides ive followed say to use modprobe ipv6 and when i do i get FATAL: ipv6 not found. |
| 19:57.46 | krofna | tremon: I don't really understand content of that file. there *are* 6 ttys defined there, but still... |
| 19:57.59 | tremon | davidgul: man mount.nfs should help you, there are no passwords for nfs (it's machine trust) |
| 19:58.27 | Dagger2 | blackness: because Debian builds the code into the kernel as of Squeeze, rather than putting it into a module |
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| 19:58.45 | blackness | ahh. |
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| 19:59.17 | tremon | krofna: yes, it's a relic. if the lines are there, I really don't see why there are no getty's. when you ps -ef|grep tty, are the getty's running? |
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| 19:59.58 | krofna | tremon: Yep, 6 getty running |
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| 20:00.21 | tremon | krofna: so what do you see on tty1? some text? only a black screen? garbage? |
| 20:00.30 | krofna | tremon: log from boot |
| 20:00.47 | tremon | ok, so the console is working. do you see a cursor? |
| 20:01.07 | krofna | tremon: Yeah its there |
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| 20:01.55 | jelly-home | krofna: and when you press enter? |
| 20:02.00 | tremon | but no login prompt? that's odd, if the getty is running there should be a login prompt, unless /bin/login is missing |
| 20:02.09 | krofna | jelly-home: nothing |
| 20:02.48 | krofna | tremon: :/bin# ls | grep login |
| 20:02.50 | krofna | login |
| 20:03.23 | jelly-home | if you kill the getty running on tty1 at present time, does anything change on virtual console 1? |
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| 20:04.37 | krofna | jelly-home: New getty starts, but looks the same. |
| 20:04.46 | Getty | NO MISTA! DON'T SHOT! ;) |
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| 20:05.31 | jalalsfs | I can't run Virtual Machine Manger, when I try to run it it says "Unable to connect to libvirt Verify that the 'libvirtd' daemon is running. |
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| 20:05.47 | jalalsfs | What can I do to make it run properly? |
| 20:06.16 | jelly-home | krofna: what does it look like, exactly? |
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| 20:06.42 | krofna | jelly-home: Waiting for /dev to be fully populated... |
| 20:07.18 | jelly-home | that's a remnant of early userspace udev, not getty |
| 20:07.27 | tremon | krofna: I thought you were already in X? |
| 20:07.37 | krofna | tremon: I am. |
| 20:07.52 | krofna | How else am I writing this O.o |
| 20:07.52 | tremon | sounds like a kms issue then. what's your video card? |
| 20:07.53 | jalalsfs | I can't run libvirt, look at this https://paste.debian.net/225047/ |
| 20:08.11 | krofna | ATI HD 6850 |
| 20:08.47 | tremon | krofna: which driver? fglrx or radeon? |
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| 20:09.09 | tremon | jalalsfs: so, have you checked the permissions on /var/run/libvirt/libvirt-sock? |
| 20:09.17 | krofna | tremon: fglrx 12.10 |
| 20:09.26 | jalalsfs | tremon, no |
| 20:09.42 | jalalsfs | tremon, Shall I change it? |
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| 20:10.33 | jalalsfs | tremon, srwxrwx--- 1 |
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| 20:10.58 | jalalsfs | tremon, this is the permissions of it srwxrwx--- 1 |
| 20:11.01 | tremon | krofna: can try to disable the fglrx driver somehow? I guess fglrx is somehow messing up your tty's |
| 20:11.17 | tremon | jalalsfs: and which owner/group? |
| 20:11.31 | jalalsfs | srwxrwx--- 1 root libvirt |
| 20:11.45 | tremon | jalalsfs: are you a member of libvirt? |
| 20:12.04 | jalalsfs | tremon, I don't know, |
| 20:12.16 | tremon | jalalsfs: groups |
| 20:12.34 | jalalsfs | tremon, no |
| 20:12.54 | jalalsfs | tremon, I'm not there, how can I join to it? |
| 20:12.56 | tremon | jalalsfs: then you need to add yourself to that group, or run your client as root |
| 20:14.27 | krofna | I can't think of a way to disable fglrx, heck, I can't think of a way to delete it since its not installed via apt |
| 20:15.26 | tremon | krofna: iirc, you can blacklist the fglrx module. that will cause X to fall back to the vesa module though (I hope, otherwise, boot with init=/bin/bash and un-blacklist it) |
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| 20:16.15 | krofna | Riight. Killing X, hopefully I won't be stuck without both X and getty :D |
| 20:16.23 | tremon | krofna: grep blacklist /etc/modprobe.d/*.conf for an example |
| 20:16.37 | Getty | I'm hard to kill ;) |
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| 20:16.53 | tremon | notes that krofna isn't |
| 20:17.15 | Getty | Die Hard is actually like a regular day for me ;-) |
| 20:17.24 | Getty | Everyone wanna kill me! |
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| 20:18.42 | Hans_Henrik | any idea how to get ulimit info from a specific pid? |
| 20:18.48 | jelly-home | now you know how I feel about android 4.1 and 4.2, Getty |
| 20:19.24 | init | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:20.09 | Getty | jelly-home: hahaha |
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| 20:20.37 | tremon | Hans_Henrik: isn't it in /proc/$pid/limits? |
| 20:20.48 | Getty | jelly-home: my name ACTUALLY comes from getty, thats why i'm used to it. nearly 15 years old this nick now |
| 20:20.57 | Hans_Henrik | tremon: idk, ill check |
| 20:21.11 | tremon | shouldn't ask rhetorical questions after verifying the answer himself |
| 20:22.07 | ompaul | tremon: all that effort, is it worth it? oh I think not. |
| 20:22.11 | Hans_Henrik | tremon: yea you are right! thanks |
| 20:22.11 | ompaul | ;-) |
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| 20:28.21 | krofna | Pft... What to do when experimental offers pre-historic software? |
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| 20:29.38 | krofna | Can that be reported as a bug? |
| 20:30.34 | themill | no, you offer assistance to the volunteers working on debian rather than trolling |
| 20:30.45 | krofna | I am not trolling. |
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| 20:31.04 | themill | perhaps you shouldn't use language that makes it sound like you are, then. |
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| 20:31.13 | krofna | I'm sorry then. |
| 20:31.21 | themill | In any case, developers are more interesting in releasing wheezy than uploading new versions |
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| 20:31.37 | tremon | krofna: if you're referring to fglrx, you should be barking up amd's tree, not debian's :) |
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| 20:32.09 | krofna | tremon: Actually I was interested in a bit more recent xorg drivers. |
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| 20:32.42 | tremon | krofna: as themill says, everyone's busy with the wheezy release |
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| 20:33.06 | krofna | Right... I guess I'll just go with manual instalation |
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| 20:37.13 | jalalsfs | tremon, I added my user name to libvirt group, I used 'usermod -a -G livevirt jalal' but the problem has been still, |
| 20:37.46 | tremon | jalalsfs: you need to login for new group membership to take effect, or try newgrp libvirt |
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| 20:38.11 | queso | I am on wheezy using mozilla.debian.net's method if installing newer versions of icweasel. When trying to upgrade to the latest version, I get this http://dpaste.com/877920/ Help please? |
| 20:40.57 | tremon | queso: so, which commands did you use? |
| 20:41.13 | tremon | ,v xulrunner-18.0 --release experimental |
| 20:41.14 | judd | Package: xulrunner-18.0 on i386 -- experimental: 18.0-1 |
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| 20:42.51 | jalalsfs | tremon, libvirt group is existed. |
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| 20:43.30 | tremon | jalalsfs: man newgrp |
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| 20:45.41 | link15 | hey all, is there a way to keep X old versions of a package in a repo using reprepro? |
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| 20:46.13 | themill | link15: reprepro only allows one version of a package in a release. |
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| 20:46.35 | jalalsfs | tremon, I tried to run it as a room, but look https://paste.debian.net/225053/ |
| 20:47.19 | tremon | jalalsfs: that's a different error |
| 20:47.36 | link15 | themill: what about having reprepro copy a package from one repo to the other, is that supported? |
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| 20:48.03 | themill | link15: one release to another? yes |
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| 20:48.54 | jalalsfs | tremon, I did that 'newgrp libvirt' but without benefit, shall I restart Debian? |
| 20:48.55 | link15 | i suppose i would just ned the *changes and *deb however i would prefer to do it more programmatically such as reprepro source_repo dest_repo package |
| 20:49.09 | link15 | themill: would something like that be possible or is this going to require some bash magic |
| 20:49.14 | p0lly_ | does anyone know a good/active general techsupport channel? also, a networking channel? freenode or elsewhere |
| 20:49.19 | link15 | and by bash magic i mean a bash script |
| 20:49.27 | jagginess | p0g0, #networking? |
| 20:49.37 | jagginess | p0lly_, ^ |
| 20:49.47 | p0lly_ | oh wow, thanks |
| 20:50.19 | jagginess | p0lly_, is it a question for debian/linux in general? |
| 20:50.24 | themill | link15: have a look at the "pull" command for reprepro |
| 20:50.38 | jagginess | p0lly_, i can give you some referential guidance.. |
| 20:50.49 | link15 | themill: :) thanks for the help! |
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| 20:52.33 | p0lly_ | jagginess, its really just for general studying/learning.. i have windows and debian machines on my network, possibly OSX in the future as well |
| 20:53.18 | jagginess | p0lly_, there's CCNA material (called "Explorations") , that is introductory to networking.. (and m$ makes MTA introductory books to networking) |
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| 20:53.58 | jagginess | p0lly_, I don't have experience reading Linux networking books.. But they all have to follow standards.. which are spread all over wikipedia.. |
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| 20:54.26 | jagginess | p0lly_, eg: Networking concepts with Cisco's Exploration literature is completely relevant for Osx/Win/Linux networking |
| 20:54.43 | Towzzer | network+ is a great exam/book to study |
| 20:54.49 | Towzzer | if you want to learn the basics |
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| 20:55.20 | p0lly_ | i do know a little but, but i will definitely check it out. thanks jagginess , Towzzer ! |
| 20:55.32 | Towzzer | you can pm your question to me |
| 20:55.35 | Towzzer | maybe I can naswer it |
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| 20:55.58 | p0lly_ | nothing specific at the moment, just making sure i am prepared in the future. thanks! |
| 20:55.59 | jagginess | Towzzer, he doesnt have a technical problem, but was looking for networking literature |
| 20:56.08 | queso | tremon: I used sudo apt-get install -t experimental iceweasel. If I try installing xulrunner-18.0, I get this: http://dpaste.com/878131/ |
| 20:56.09 | Towzzer | oh |
| 20:56.24 | Towzzer | have a nice day polly |
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| 20:56.43 | p0lly_ | thought you could get rid of me that easy? im not going anywhere, ha! |
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| 21:01.34 | Towzzer | polly, you better leave after I said "have a nice day" otherwise I'm going to murder you |
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| 21:02.59 | jagginess | p0lly_, a tip for you, is http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Computer_network << you can join different wikipedia pages to make a book --- wikipedia has a free book maker tool |
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| 21:06.36 | pythonsnake | how do i set max mem usage for a process |
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| 21:08.52 | dondelelcaro | pythonsnake: you using ulimit -m |
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| 21:12.52 | tremon | queso: that dependency is from sid, on which release are you? |
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| 21:22.17 | TheAvatar | in 'top' I can see CPU 80% user usage - but the processlist, all processes uses 0% CPU. How can I find out what uses the CPU, when it is not a running process? Disk io is rather low (often 0kb/s with a few 500kb/s read spikes for a few seconds) |
| 21:22.20 | pythonsnake | $ ulimit -Sv 500000 # Set ~500 mb limit |
| 21:22.23 | pythonsnake | dondelelcaro: ^ |
| 21:22.29 | pythonsnake | limits next process? |
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| 21:22.59 | tremon | TheAvatar: the full top cpu line? |
| 21:24.01 | TheAvatar | tremon, Cpu(s): 44.8%us, 8.0%sy, 0.0%ni, 45.3%id, 1.7%wa, 0.0%hi, 0.3%si, 0.0%st |
| 21:24.17 | TheAvatar | right now it is only 44,8% instead of 80% - that jumps a bit up and down |
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| 21:25.11 | hyper_ch | hi there, I wonder, do I need to apply this for squeeze also? |
| 21:25.14 | tremon | TheAvatar: is your top sorted on cpu usage? that figure doesn't seem odd, but having 80% userspace without a single proces using much is strange |
| 21:25.47 | hyper_ch | hi there, I wonder, do I need to apply this for squeeze also? - http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=507990 :) sorry |
| 21:25.55 | peterrooney | TheAvatar: double check the sorting column. uppercase O, then letter K to sort by CPU useage |
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| 21:26.51 | tremon | hyper_ch: see the versions graph on the page you linked |
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| 21:27.15 | hyper_ch | tremon: well, what is the meaning of the colors? |
| 21:27.32 | tremon | ah. red is affected, green is fixed |
| 21:27.34 | TheAvatar | tremon/peterrooney, I checked that - mysqld sometimes jumps to the top with 1-2% usage. But I did check the sort order - that one is right |
| 21:27.57 | hyper_ch | tremon: thx :) |
| 21:28.35 | tremon | TheAvatar: pressing '>' twice will sort on total cpu time, if it's a long-running process it will show on top there |
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| 21:29.10 | Towzzer | theavatar, hit capital P |
| 21:29.21 | Towzzer | oh , sorry tremon I wasn't scrolled down |
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| 21:30.42 | tremon | TheAvatar: then, there is the possibility that you're running an unclean kernel and the process using your cpu is hidden from process lists |
| 21:30.49 | TheAvatar | my colleague just pointed out something - it could be a huge amount of DNS requests |
| 21:31.14 | queso | tremon: I'm using wheezy. I have iceweasel 17.0.1 installed. |
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| 21:31.57 | haus | dearest debian, whyfor rpm version 4.1.0 in wheezy and 4.8.1 in squeeze? |
| 21:32.22 | tremon | queso: ok, you can either set apt::defaultrelease to wheezy and add sid to your sources.list, or download the correct one manually |
| 21:33.04 | tremon | TheAvatar: incoming dns requests would cause your dns server to show up using high cpu in top, or do you mean outgoing? |
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| 21:33.28 | tremon | ,v rpm |
| 21:33.29 | judd | Package: rpm on i386 -- lenny: 4.4.2.3-1; squeeze: 4.8.1-6+squeeze1; wheezy: 4.10.0-5+deb7u1; wheezy-proposed-updates: 4.10.0-5+deb7u1; sid: 4.10.1-2.1 |
| 21:33.44 | tremon | haus: 4.10 > 4.8 ? |
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| 21:34.47 | TheAvatar | tremon, true, no idea, but I tried disabling the DNS lookups (external=>affected server), that seemed to have helped |
| 21:35.01 | haus | tremon: ah, i can't read |
| 21:35.07 | haus | thanks for helping me with that |
| 21:35.12 | haus | read 4.10 as 4.1.0 |
| 21:35.25 | tremon | haus: always ready to help ;) |
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| 21:37.02 | haus | i got freaked out because after a squeeze => wheezy upgrade rpm sort of freaked out |
| 21:37.11 | haus | had to nuke and rebuild rpmdb |
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| 21:37.22 | tremon | TheAvatar: still odd that bind (or other) wouldn't show up in top then, 80% would show up even with a large thread pool |
| 21:37.28 | queso | tremon: ah, okay, thanks. |
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| 21:37.36 | aguitel | pidgin or amsn will continue to work under linux ? |
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| 21:37.46 | nmschulte | What is "tracker-miner-f" ? |
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| 21:38.33 | Oejet | aguitel: Yes, Pidgin works well under Linux. |
| 21:38.40 | TheAvatar | tremon, true - that is rather strange - it is pdns with mysql backend, but neither shows up |
| 21:38.56 | tremon | nmschulte: iirc, gnome-tracker data collector (i.e. updatedb for gnome) |
| 21:39.00 | TheAvatar | tremon, and it is less than 200 requests/s, so not like a very high dns load |
| 21:39.13 | aguitel | ok |
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| 21:40.07 | tremon | TheAvatar: you can try installing atop, it has some more performance counters (but do remember to disable the data collector daemon) |
| 21:40.29 | Oejet | nmschulte: It indexes your files under GNOME. It's part of what makes the Win-key-view type-a-command-or-file-name work. |
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| 21:41.16 | nmschulte | tremon: Oejet: thanks. I'm getting segfaults with 3.8 kernel. |
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| 21:42.21 | Oejet | nmschulte: Ouch. |
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| 21:43.01 | nmschulte | Idk if it's kernel related, just noting that is all. |
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| 21:43.40 | TheAvatar | tremon, in the top section it shows user:25%, while the listing below still shows 0% |
| 21:44.05 | TheAvatar | it also loads only 1 core (of 2), so it is e.g. 25% of 200% |
| 21:45.25 | TheAvatar | tremon, http://pastebin.com/NhxvL4Yz |
| 21:45.53 | nutron | is there a channel to discuss packaging? |
| 21:46.00 | tremon | TheAvatar: i'd prefer top -b -n1 :) |
| 21:47.06 | Oejet | nutron: I think #debian-mentors on irc.oftc.net. |
| 21:47.10 | tremon | TheAvatar: I think I get it, do the apache pid's increase every time it refreshes? |
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| 21:48.29 | nutron | Oejet: thanks! |
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| 21:49.36 | TheAvatar | tremon, not really - but right now the cpu load is 0% - it seems like it is not persistent, but e.g. high "hidden" cpu load for e.g. 30-120 minutes |
| 21:50.49 | tremon | TheAvatar: if you look at some of the apache2 processes, they've grown with 50M in the last atop refresh time. If lots of processes gets spawned and die, they don't show up in top because they don't live long enough to really tax the cpu |
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| 21:51.15 | tremon | TheAvatar: next time it happens, watch the pids |
| 21:52.14 | tremon | TheAvatar: also, atop has network packet counters, so watch those too |
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| 21:56.18 | TheAvatar | tremon, I'll try have a look at apache - it could be the culprit |
| 21:56.40 | TheAvatar | tremon, but some top with 1s refresh interval doesn't show them - but right now it is also low, so maybe that is what tricks me right now |
| 21:56.56 | Towzzer | maybe it was locate updating it's database |
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| 21:57.55 | tremon | TheAvatar: I was just going off your one atop dump. I you just restarted apache2 in that interval, that dump would look quite normal |
| 21:58.24 | TheAvatar | tremon, I didn't but a few could have been recycled, which is the few that shows up there - but hard to say - I try check the pids the next time |
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| 22:02.12 | nmschulte | I'm having trouble with LyX; it's saying it can't find the document class "book.cls" which is provided by the LaTeX distribution. |
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| 22:02.30 | nmschulte | I search my FS for book.cls, and I see it here: /usr/share/texlive/texmf-dist/tex/latex/base/book.cls |
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| 22:03.34 | TheAvatar | thanks for the inputs |
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| 22:09.49 | h00ked | ok, from now i hate iptables |
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| 22:13.50 | hyper_ch | hmmm, I still think the sasl filter for debian in fail2ban isn't working |
| 22:14.14 | traucet | So, been googling panels for use with debian. I am used to using cpanel as it is used on my paid hosting solutions. Looking at Webmin, GNUPanel, Zpanel, EHCP, and SysCP.. Wondering what others are using. Maybe there is a panel I missed. |
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| 22:18.34 | wols_ | traucet: ispconfig |
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| 22:20.35 | jagginess | traucet, there's ispconfig , but these tools read up about them.. once you use them, they'll tell you to avoid other things |
| 22:20.40 | epta | How could I fix `/usr/bin/ld: cannot find libncurses.so.5'? http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=42pmT4zn |
| 22:21.09 | jagginess | traucet, google "List of software ispconfig site:wikipedia.org" |
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| 22:21.32 | traucet | wols_:ispconfig. Have not heard of that one yet. I will add it to the list of panels to look at. |
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| 22:21.44 | jagginess | traucet, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_web_hosting_control_panels |
| 22:21.55 | jagginess | 2nd result from that google search :) |
| 22:21.56 | traucet | jagginess: Thanks for the information. |
| 22:22.01 | wols_ | traucet: the best admin tool is still ssh+bash |
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| 22:26.07 | jagginess | traucet, From what i've looked in past, some, dunno how prevalent this is, once you adopt a web control panel, you cannot/revert changes you make to it.. and you'll be told to avoid to add certain packages, or to only dedicate that debian machine just to minimal purposes.. |
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| 22:35.21 | jhutchins | There have been configuration management GUIs that endeavoured to maintain everything only using the standard text configuration, but even they had problems if you changed a file manually. There was something that checked the file against the stored cp config and read it if it was newer, but that's a lot of work and I don't think any of the current ones are that capable. |
| 22:36.05 | hje841 | Will this install g++-4.7 along side the original g++ (v4.6.3) ? http://askubuntu.com/questions/76885/where-can-i-find-a-g-4-7-package |
| 22:36.09 | hje841 | without breaking anything |
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| 22:48.09 | Infiltrator | hje841: If you're on Debian, then just install the g++-4.7 package if you really need it. |
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| 22:48.31 | Infiltrator | hje841: The question then becomes, though: _why_ do you need g++ 4.7? |
| 22:48.36 | Yoshi1 | i need opengl support for play on linux what package in wheezy has that? |
| 22:49.27 | hje841 | Infiltrator, I need lambdas in my C++ code and I get an odd error |
| 22:49.32 | Infiltrator | Yoshi1: Depends on your card. |
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| 22:50.08 | Yoshi1 | Infiltrator: well since i cant seem to get the nividia working... i probably cant get opengl working can i |
| 22:50.26 | Infiltrator | Yoshi1: I would say no; at least not efficiently. |
| 22:50.35 | Infiltrator | Yoshi1: You still can't get nvidia working, though? |
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| 22:51.01 | Infiltrator | hje841: Well, you can try to install g++-4.7; it shouldn't break anything (don't trust me). |
| 22:51.08 | Yoshi1 | Infiltrator: no although it should be noted that before trying all that stuff last night steam worked outside of POL and so did steam games like FTL |
| 22:51.22 | Infiltrator | hje841: You can also always compile it yourself. |
| 22:51.57 | Infiltrator | Yoshi1: What point are you at now? |
| 22:51.57 | Eryn_1983_FL | hey peeps how do i see what the deal is with an update to the kvm package? |
| 22:52.30 | Yoshi1 | Infiltrator: mostly the same place as last night |
| 22:53.05 | abrotman | Eryn_1983_FL: "deal" |
| 22:53.08 | hje841 | Infiltrator, maybe if it's in Ubuntus repos I might be able to trust it... (I've been at it the past 12 hours so I'd prefer not to do anything rushed) |
| 22:53.38 | Yoshi1 | bumblebee doesnt work i havent found any hardware cracking places and i havent touched the nvidia again since i'm still searching for solutions |
| 22:53.45 | Infiltrator | !tell hje841 -about ubuntu |
| 22:54.08 | abrotman | not helpful |
| 22:54.15 | Eryn_1983_FL | well i want to know what its going to update and what changed, |
| 22:54.26 | Eryn_1983_FL | thats all, to see if it even worth upgrading right now.. |
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| 22:54.48 | abrotman | Eryn_1983_FL: look at the changelog |
| 22:54.56 | hje841 | Infiltrator, I know.. but the more competent people are in here.. at least regarding the back-end stuff |
| 22:54.59 | Eryn_1983_FL | in? |
| 22:55.04 | Infiltrator | Yoshi1: Have you tried purging all xorg-xserver-video-* packages except for nvidia and reinstalling all the nvidia packages? |
| 22:55.06 | abrotman | hje841: which veresion of linux are you running |
| 22:55.09 | abrotman | Eryn_1983_FL: is it already installed? |
| 22:55.12 | Eryn_1983_FL | no |
| 22:55.20 | Eryn_1983_FL | i dont want it installed unless i need the upgrade.. |
| 22:55.24 | MiGueLL_ | hello, How do I use a simply linux "export" in debian please? I'm trying to make export but not working I know I need to replace this command by another one can somebody tell me please? thanks |
| 22:55.25 | abrotman | Eryn_1983_FL: packages.debian.org/<pkgname> .. look for the changelog link on the right |
| 22:55.28 | Eryn_1983_FL | ok |
| 22:55.32 | Eryn_1983_FL | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:55.36 | Yoshi1 | Infiltrator: i did the purging last night but i didnt reinstall the nvidia packages in that atempt |
| 22:55.38 | abrotman | MiGueLL_: to export what? |
| 22:55.38 | Infiltrator | hje841: But we don't really know anything about ubuntu packaging. I can tell you that Debian has a g++-4.7 package, though. |
| 22:55.53 | hje841 | Infiltrator, got it |
| 22:56.13 | hje841 | abrotman, I'm on 3.2.0.25 |
| 22:56.18 | MiGueLL_ | export PG_CONFIG=/usr/local/pgsql/bin/pg_config |
| 22:56.22 | abrotman | hje841: try again |
| 22:56.33 | MiGueLL_ | in centos it works ok |
| 22:56.35 | MiGueLL_ | but not in debian |
| 22:56.36 | abrotman | MiGueLL_: that's a shell command |
| 22:56.40 | hje841 | abrotman, ?? |
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| 22:57.07 | abrotman | MiGueLL_: does pg_config exist in that location? |
| 22:57.15 | nmschulte | How can I reinstall and reconfigure a metapackage along with all of its dependencies? |
| 22:57.17 | MiGueLL_ | sure |
| 22:57.28 | abrotman | MiGueLL_: 100% sure? that's not a Debian package |
| 22:57.43 | abrotman | nmschulte: the metapackage wouldn't have anything to reconfigure |
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| 22:57.58 | nmschulte | abrotman: and all of its dependencies |
| 22:58.55 | abrotman | nmschulte: probably some magic with "apt-cache depends metapackage" |
| 22:58.57 | Infiltrator | Yoshi1: So what do you have now installed in the way of nvidia packages? |
| 22:59.37 | Yoshi1 | Infiltrator: whats the command to quickly list all that in a pastebinable format |
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| 23:00.10 | Infiltrator | Yoshi1: dpkg -l | grep nvidia or aptitude search "~invidia" |
| 23:00.26 | nmschulte | abrotman: apt-cache depends | grep | cut | xargs it is; thanks |
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| 23:01.04 | Yoshi1 | Infiltrator: well there is like a dozen such packages |
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| 23:01.49 | foo | I want to give someone access to a log file that is owned by user root and group adm . Is it safe to add a user to adm group so he can read this file? |
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| 23:02.17 | abrotman | foo: they'd have access to other adm files |
| 23:02.19 | Yoshi1 | Infiltrator: http://pastebin.com/MguPNv2V if your interested |
| 23:02.27 | foo | abrotman: what type of files get adm group? |
| 23:02.45 | foo | abrotman: There is really just 1 file I want to give them access to. I can't really change perms on this file because then it gets overwritten |
| 23:02.59 | foo | abrotman: or maybe I can just make it 644 |
| 23:03.01 | foo | tries |
| 23:03.33 | foo | abrotman: I'll see if it resets after this :) |
| 23:03.38 | abrotman | foo: use sudo |
| 23:04.18 | foo | abrotman: That user doesn't have sudo access |
| 23:04.24 | foo | abrotman: This is someone I don't want to give root access to |
| 23:04.35 | Infiltrator | Yoshi1: And the xserver-xorg-video-* packages? |
| 23:04.47 | abrotman | foo: you need to learn and understand more about how sudo works |
| 23:04.48 | Arrowmaster | foo: afaik adm group is only used for log files |
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| 23:05.08 | foo | Arrowmaster: that's what I was looking for, awesome. I will check that out |
| 23:05.14 | foo | abrotman: Oh, I'll be darn, ok |
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| 23:05.58 | abrotman | foo: sudo is not an all or none configuration |
| 23:06.41 | Yoshi1 | Infiltrator: oh theres alot of those i had to run the (03:54:40 AM) jelly-home: Yoshi1: aptitude install xserver-xorg-video-all will get you all the xorg video drivers back) thing last night after one of the atempts |
| 23:06.41 | nmschulte | abrotman: apparently if you 'aptitude purge' a metapackage, it will remove the dependencies. |
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| 23:07.31 | abrotman | nmschulte: yes |
| 23:07.54 | foo | abrotman: Yeah, sounds like I need to do some homework |
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| 23:08.46 | Infiltrator | Yoshi1: So you have them all; okay. :P |
| 23:08.54 | Yoshi1 | Infiltrator: yeah :P |
| 23:09.04 | Yoshi1 | Infiltrator: including i know alot of syuff i dont need |
| 23:09.12 | Infiltrator | Yoshi1: I would try purging all of them except dummy and nvidia. |
| 23:09.22 | Yoshi1 | Infiltrator: what dummy? |
| 23:09.38 | Infiltrator | Yoshi1: xserver-xorg-video-dummy |
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| 23:10.36 | Infiltrator | nmschulte: That's because those packages were depended on by the metapackage (which is the point) and were marked as automatically installed, so when they were no longer depended on, they looked like useless fluff. |
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| 23:11.11 | Infiltrator | Yoshi1: And get rid of any intel or i915 stuff, too. |
| 23:12.01 | Yoshi1 | Infiltrator: that would be complete remove in synaptic right? |
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| 23:12.36 | stealthmaster | hey guys |
| 23:12.42 | Infiltrator | Yoshi1: Yup. |
| 23:13.17 | tty01 | can someone shed some light on what is the correct syntax to use curl to test a rest API call please? i have one variable called "key=somevalue"…i have tried curl -d "key=somevalue" http://api.domain.com |
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| 23:13.34 | Infiltrator | Yoshi1: I tend to always prefer purging to just removing because either you don't need it anymore at all (in which case you may as well ditch the config) or you're trying to reinstall to fix a problem (in which case ditch the config). :P |
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| 23:14.48 | stealthmaster | i got debian squeeze on my laptop i installed some unstable packages and now debian is crashing quite a bit how do i find out what is unstable and what is stable? and reinstall stable |
| 23:15.09 | abrotman | you reinstall stable with a CD or USB drive |
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| 23:15.15 | Yoshi1 | Infiltrator: ok completly removing all those packages after which i'll reinstall the nividia one and see what happens |
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| 23:15.45 | stealthmaster | okay thanks |
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| 23:16.09 | Yoshi1 | Infiltrator: though i dont know what the dummy package is so i probably wound up removing it too |
| 23:16.12 | Infiltrator | stealthmaster: Or if you want to try it the painful way, you can remove the unstable line from your sources.list and go and downgrade them all. |
| 23:16.22 | Infiltrator | stealthmaster: But that will probably give you more problems. :) |
| 23:16.39 | Infiltrator | Yoshi1: It's a dummy. :) |
| 23:16.42 | Yoshi1 | so the only xserver-xorg-video i have installed in nvidia |
| 23:16.43 | stealthmaster | no i will just reinstall i ain't got much on it anyway thanks alot guys |
| 23:16.55 | Infiltrator | Yoshi1: It's there because you need at least one video-* package installed. |
| 23:17.01 | Yoshi1 | oh it actually says dummy |
| 23:17.12 | Yoshi1 | Infiltrator: ok anything else i should do before i reboot? |
| 23:17.24 | Yoshi1 | Infiltrator: reinstate the 20-nvidia.conf file? |
| 23:17.30 | Yoshi1 | run xconfig? |
| 23:17.33 | xsappyx | tty01: you need to at least POST the data |
| 23:18.01 | Infiltrator | Yoshi1: What X config do you have now? (xorg.conf and xorg.conf.d/*) |
| 23:18.21 | Yoshi1 | Infiltrator: fairly certain none let me check |
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| 23:18.58 | Yoshi1 | Infiltrator: nope no X conf files |
| 23:19.10 | Yoshi1 | i changed them all to .baks |
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| 23:20.18 | Infiltrator | Yoshi1: Okay, run nvidia-xconfig and see what it gives you. |
| 23:20.50 | Yoshi1 | Infiltrator: that makes an xorg.conf file |
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| 23:21.03 | Infiltrator | Mhm. What's in it? |
| 23:21.39 | Yoshi1 | Infiltrator: http://paste.debian.net/225090/ |
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| 23:22.17 | Infiltrator | Yoshi1: I would wipe everything but the nvidia device section. |
| 23:22.30 | Yoshi1 | mmmkay |
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| 23:23.40 | Yoshi1 | so just |
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| 23:24.01 | Yoshi1 | section device to it;s end section? |
| 23:24.09 | Infiltrator | Yup. |
| 23:24.15 | Yoshi1 | ok done |
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| 23:24.31 | Yoshi1 | reboot? |
| 23:24.44 | Infiltrator | Yoshi1: And cross all of your appendages. :) |
| 23:24.55 | Infiltrator | Yoshi1: Actually before you do, what's in your blacklist? |
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| 23:25.59 | Yoshi1 | modprobe.d/blacklist.local.conf right? |
| 23:26.40 | Yoshi1 | Infiltrator: nothings in that file |
| 23:26.53 | Infiltrator | Yoshi1: All the ones in modprobe.d/ |
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| 23:27.27 | Infiltrator | There will be a whole bunch of unrelated ones, but we want to blacklist i915 and make sure that nvidia isn't blacklisted. |
| 23:29.19 | Yoshi1 | Infiltrator: nothing in any of them |
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| 23:29.45 | Infiltrator | Yoshi1: Well, add a blacklist i915. |
| 23:30.34 | abrotman | this isn't really how bumblebee is supposed to work |
| 23:31.06 | Yoshi1 | actually i was in the wrong folder sorry. the nvidia one has noveau in it |
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| 23:32.42 | Yoshi1 | Infiltrator: anyway i added blacklist i915 to local |
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| 23:35.05 | Yoshi1 | Infiltrator: reboot now? |
| 23:35.25 | Infiltrator | abrotman: You think that there's not way to get it working without bumblebee? |
| 23:35.48 | Infiltrator | Yoshi1: Yup. But abrotman seems to have doubts. |
| 23:36.11 | Yoshi1 | Infiltrator: well thats fine if it doesnt work next solution right? as soon as one can be found anyway |
| 23:36.13 | Yoshi1 | here goes |
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