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| 00:01.17 | Infiltrator | o0 |
| 00:01.27 | Infiltrator | How the hell did that kill the network? |
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| 00:02.19 | durgess | I am following the steps here: http://mcraveiro.blogspot.com/2012/06/nerd-food-installing-wine-unstable-on.html How do I solve "pre-dependency problem"s? |
| 00:02.44 | durgess | I've downloaded some packages and wish to install them but have pre-dependency problems. |
| 00:02.49 | Yoshi1 | Infiltrator: is there a way to remove the write protect on a usb drives partition from windows? i think it got write protect somehow last time i formatted it in linux |
| 00:03.08 | Infiltrator | Yoshi1: That's usually a physical switch on it, isn't it? |
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| 00:03.27 | Infiltrator | Yoshi1: Also, what do you see after grub? Black screen and nothing else? |
| 00:03.47 | Yoshi1 | Infiltrator: no the computer actually boots in linux to a cli |
| 00:04.10 | Yoshi1 | Infiltrator: also the usb's switch is in unlocked positikon |
| 00:04.32 | Infiltrator | Yoshi1: Well, if you got to a CLI, why do you need a boot USB? :\ |
| 00:04.51 | Yoshi1 | Infiltrator: because i couldnt aptitude any packages |
| 00:05.26 | Infiltrator | Yoshi1: With what error message? |
| 00:05.43 | Yoshi1 | couldnt resolve host so it couldnt download the packages |
| 00:05.56 | Yoshi1 | couldnt use lynx either |
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| 00:07.13 | Infiltrator | Yoshi1: Could you ping your router, though? |
| 00:07.30 | abrotman | durgess: pastebin |
| 00:07.32 | Yoshi1 | Infiltrator: no didnt think to try that |
| 00:07.35 | marc_smith | I'm transferring huge amount of files over SSH on ethernet cable connected directly to two laptops running Debian. Even though the performance is not bad, I'd like to speed it up. Anyone have any suggestions? |
| 00:07.44 | Yoshi1 | Infiltrator: i couldnt remember how to use dhcp |
| 00:07.48 | Yoshi1 | so i booked it to windows |
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| 00:08.35 | Infiltrator | Yoshi1: Ooooh. So you use network-manager and that only fires up once you're in gnome (or whatever)? |
| 00:08.56 | Yoshi1 | Infiltrator: possibly |
| 00:09.12 | Infiltrator | marc_smith: Compress? Though that may actually end up taking more time. But it will reduce your transfer time. |
| 00:09.24 | Yoshi1 | Infiltrator: never really understood how to use network tools except for a rudimentary understanding of ifup |
| 00:10.02 | marc_smith | Infiltrator: thx, I just used standard ssh options. I also thought about samba, but I'm running minimal rescue environments of Debian on both laptops |
| 00:10.03 | Infiltrator | Yoshi1: Well, you can control network-manager from the console using nmcli. |
| 00:10.16 | Yoshi1 | Infiltrator: assuming thats installed |
| 00:10.26 | Infiltrator | Yoshi1: True... :P |
| 00:10.39 | Infiltrator | Yoshi1: Are you connected via ethernet or wireless? |
| 00:10.45 | Yoshi1 | Infiltrator: which unless it;s a default included it wouldnt be cause i didnt know about it |
| 00:10.49 | Yoshi1 | Infiltrator: ethernet |
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| 00:11.28 | Infiltrator | Yoshi1: And nmcli is actually part of the network-manager package. |
| 00:11.52 | Yoshi1 | Infiltrator: woot |
| 00:12.36 | durgess | http://pastebin.com/z2Rz0fgK |
| 00:12.42 | durgess | This is the problem I'm having. ^^ |
| 00:12.47 | Yoshi1 | Infiltrator: it's probablty easier to install xserver-video-nouveau by cli then by chrooting but i'll make a boot usb anyway |
| 00:13.04 | Infiltrator | Yoshi1: You should be able to use nmcli con list and then up. |
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| 00:13.41 | Yoshi1 | up? |
| 00:14.10 | durgess | I'm trying to install wine 1.5.5, but it is a bit confusing. I tried 1.4 but wanted to update for a game. I tried removing all of 1.4, but this is where I am in installing 1.5. |
| 00:14.16 | Infiltrator | Yoshi1: nmcli con up |
| 00:14.28 | Yoshi1 | Infiltrator: i'll keep it in mind |
| 00:14.46 | Yoshi1 | Infiltrator: i assume all this is in it;s man page a nyway |
| 00:15.14 | Infiltrator | durgess: Have you tried adding the repo instead of manually installing the deb? |
| 00:15.21 | Infiltrator | Yoshi1: It's in the man page, yeah. |
| 00:15.33 | Yoshi1 | Infiltrator: oh one other thing i should report it would only boot to a command line after i removed the xorg.conf |
| 00:15.37 | durgess | Infiltrator: How do I do this? Is it 1.5? |
| 00:15.42 | Infiltrator | Yoshi1: I know that I got my laptop to a point where I can be at the console and connect to the wifi. |
| 00:15.43 | Yoshi1 | Infiltrator: with it i got the same issue |
| 00:16.09 | Infiltrator | Yoshi1: abrotman was right, then. |
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| 00:16.22 | Infiltrator | Yoshi1: How far have you gotten with bumblebee in that case? |
| 00:16.28 | Yoshi1 | god damned optimus technology |
| 00:16.51 | Yoshi1 | Infiltrator: no further really then last night the bumblebee people dont seem all that chatty |
| 00:16.57 | Infiltrator | Yoshi1: Yeah, I'll have to remember to not get that. :P |
| 00:17.23 | Yoshi1 | Infiltrator: i am guessing everyone is going to go there |
| 00:17.28 | Infiltrator | Yoshi1: Well, I found these: https://github.com/Bumblebee-Project/Bumblebee/wiki/FAQ http://wiki.debian.org/Bumblebee http://suwako.nomanga.net/ which might be useful. |
| 00:17.34 | Yoshi1 | its a strategy for improving battery life and works OOTB for windows |
| 00:17.50 | Yoshi1 | Infiltrator: mind posting those after i get back on the debian os? |
| 00:18.02 | Infiltrator | Yoshi1: Sure. |
| 00:18.38 | abrotman | durgess: which versoin of linux is this? |
| 00:18.47 | durgess | Is there an easy way to install wine 1.5? It is sid. |
| 00:18.56 | abrotman | judd: versions libwine |
| 00:18.57 | judd | Package: libwine on i386 -- lenny: 1.0.1-1; squeeze: 1.0.1-3.1; sid: 1.4.1-4; wheezy: 1.4.1-4 |
| 00:19.04 | abrotman | 1.4 isn't goo d enough |
| 00:19.05 | abrotman | ? |
| 00:19.18 | durgess | Nope. |
| 00:19.25 | Infiltrator | durgess: I would recommend trying playonlinux first. |
| 00:19.28 | Yoshi1 | Infiltrator: i wonder if the blacklisting of nouveau in the nvidia blacklist.conf file has anything to do with the error |
| 00:19.31 | abrotman | durgess: use apt-get |
| 00:19.37 | Infiltrator | durgess: Cleaner than installing packages. |
| 00:19.38 | abrotman | durgess: apt-get -f install |
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| 00:19.56 | Infiltrator | Yoshi1: Shouldn't unless you're trying to use nouveau, which I don't think you are? |
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| 00:20.25 | kupo | can anyone help me build openssl "the debian way" ? |
| 00:20.25 | Yoshi1 | Infiltrator: i wasnt last boot but it's seems to be the default choice of the operating system |
| 00:20.36 | kupo | I'm trying to get crypto-dev working for openssl |
| 00:20.56 | Yoshi1 | Infiltrator: thats why i am going for a targeted install of video-nouveau this time and not video-all |
| 00:21.14 | Infiltrator | Yoshi1: nouveau is the free alternative to nvidia's drivers. |
| 00:21.34 | Yoshi1 | hmmmm |
| 00:21.43 | Infiltrator | Yoshi1: But they are also working without any specs or help from nvidia, so you can imagine that it's not as powerful as the proprietry one. |
| 00:22.08 | Yoshi1 | Infiltrator: i am startting to wonder. maybe i should just use the .run from the nvidia site |
| 00:22.33 | Yoshi1 | Infiltrator: but i dont know how to run it and theres not so much help from debian wikis |
| 00:22.43 | Infiltrator | Yoshi1: You could try; but it makes a mess. |
| 00:22.51 | Yoshi1 | Infiltrator: define makes a mess |
| 00:22.53 | Infiltrator | It's fairly straightforward - run it and follow the prompts. |
| 00:23.06 | Infiltrator | Yoshi1: It doesn't respect packaging. |
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| 00:23.20 | Infiltrator | Shoves files wherever it wants and there's not real record of it. |
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| 00:23.35 | Yoshi1 | Infiltrator: hmmmmmm |
| 00:23.52 | Yoshi1 | Infiltrator: i dont mind it shoving files where it wants but yeah there should be a record of where what is |
| 00:24.06 | durgess | abrotman: It worked. Thanks! |
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| 00:25.14 | Infiltrator | Yoshi1: Give it a go, if you want. But I would try bumblebee first. |
| 00:25.36 | Infiltrator | Yoshi1: I've found no use/reason to use the nvidia installer before. |
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| 00:45.51 | durgess | abrotman: Thanks for the help. Win 1.5.5 is up and with any luck, my game will work much better than before. :D |
| 00:45.58 | abrotman | yay! |
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| 00:52.26 | h00ked | nice, after server reboot, iptables was flushed... :/ all day work in crap :/ |
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| 00:54.22 | Yoshi1 | hey while i am here and waiting is there an irc programme you can use on a cli? |
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| 00:55.16 | dioz | Yoshi1: bitchx, irssi, |
| 00:55.18 | dioz | there's a couple |
| 00:55.59 | Yoshi1 | thanks |
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| 01:14.31 | Yoshi1 | Infiltrator: i had no access to nmcli and my usb didnt work so i have to try and create a liveusb again *sighs* |
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| 01:14.58 | Yoshi1 | Infiltrator: id ont quite recall the error but it wcouldnt find anything out about the network manager or something |
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| 01:26.13 | BONG_IT | can amd rig webserver of debian? |
| 01:26.23 | abrotman | what? |
| 01:27.22 | BONG_IT | amd specs |
| 01:27.27 | abrotman | what about it? |
| 01:27.29 | BONG_IT | can debian run as webserver? |
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| 01:27.35 | abrotman | why wouldn't it be able to? |
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| 01:28.08 | BONG_IT | ah ok |
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| 01:38.08 | Yoshi1 | Infiltrator, ok on the liveusb now i have /dev/sda3 mounted and chrooted into but i cant apt-get says command not found |
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| 01:42.19 | Yoshi1 | jelly-home, you there? |
| 01:46.35 | Infiltrator | Yoshi1: Is your /usr on a different partition? |
| 01:46.44 | Infiltrator | Yoshi1: Also sorry for the non-response. |
| 01:46.58 | Yoshi1 | Infiltrator, yeah it is |
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| 01:47.09 | Infiltrator | Yoshi1: Do a mount -a |
| 01:48.04 | Yoshi1 | hold up i buggered somwething completly |
| 01:48.11 | Infiltrator | Yoshi1: And was the nm problem that it wasn't running? You should be able to start it yourself then with /etc/init.d/network-manager start. |
| 01:48.36 | Yoshi1 | Infiltrator, only i didnt know that command |
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| 01:49.51 | Infiltrator | I think you're actually supposed to use service instead of /etc/init.d, actually. |
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| 01:50.13 | Infiltrator | abrotman: What's with the whole /etc/init.d vs service thing again? Is init.d deprecated? |
| 01:50.42 | engla | service had interesting bugs though which just tells me it is not being used much. |
| 01:50.45 | engla | (they are fixed) |
| 01:52.54 | Hans_Henrik | nooo no way that folder is deprecated |
| 01:54.09 | abrotman | Infiltrator: are you sure you should be 'helping'? |
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| 01:54.32 | Yoshi1 | Infiltrator, sorry about that |
| 01:54.40 | engla | which dir is deprecated? |
| 01:54.53 | Hans_Henrik | not the 1 mentioned up here. |
| 01:55.00 | Yoshi1 | Infiltrator, ok i did mount -a from inside chroot got an error i did it from outside but i still cant use apt-get |
| 01:55.59 | Hans_Henrik | engla: (som1 thought /etc/init.d was deprecated) |
| 01:56.07 | engla | ah |
| 01:56.22 | engla | it will be when we get the next init system hopefully :) |
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| 01:57.21 | abrotman | engla: not likely |
| 01:57.22 | Hans_Henrik | "next init system"? |
| 01:57.48 | Hans_Henrik | is there something under development now meant to replace init.d ? |
| 01:58.03 | Infiltrator | Yoshi1: From outside won't work. |
| 01:58.04 | pdxtream | list |
| 01:58.11 | Infiltrator | Yoshi1: What's the error that you get inside? |
| 01:58.21 | engla | abrotman: it's pretty likely |
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| 01:59.03 | engla | Hans_Henrik: there is systemd as init system, and some people want debian to use it by default |
| 01:59.27 | abrotman | engla: legacy apps will use it, won't go away |
| 01:59.33 | Arrowmaster | i dont see it happening |
| 01:59.42 | Yoshi1 | Infiltrator, i get special device (long string of numbers) doesnt exit |
| 01:59.44 | engla | abrotman: it will still be marked deprecated |
| 01:59.54 | abrotman | engla: like ifconfig .. sure .. |
| 02:00.05 | abrotman | engla: i said it won't go away |
| 02:00.12 | Infiltrator | Yoshi1: Before you chroot, did you mount /dev into the new /dev? |
| 02:00.16 | engla | abrotman: you decide? |
| 02:00.18 | engla | :-) |
| 02:00.26 | abrotman | i don't have a problem with the current system |
| 02:00.42 | Infiltrator | abrotman: ifconfig is deprecated? |
| 02:00.51 | Arrowmaster | Infiltrator: yes, replaced by ip |
| 02:00.52 | Yoshi1 | no i dont think so |
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| 02:01.17 | engla | I have a problem, systemd proves by contrast how broken and unreliable the basic necesseties of service start, restart and status are |
| 02:01.26 | engla | in the current sysv/insserv |
| 02:01.45 | Arrowmaster | ive never seen them be broken or unreliable in sysv |
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| 02:02.50 | Yoshi1 | Infiltrator, got it now |
| 02:03.30 | Yoshi1 | Infiltrator, Can not write log, openpty() failed (/dev/pts not mounted?) does this matter? |
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| 02:04.10 | Yoshi1 | well it didnt give me any other errors so i assume not |
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| 02:05.24 | Infiltrator | Yoshi1: It sort of matters. |
| 02:05.39 | Yoshi1 | Infiltrator, sort of matters how? |
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| 02:05.58 | Infiltrator | Yoshi1: You won't get logging, if you care about that. :P |
| 02:06.12 | Yoshi1 | Infiltrator, in this case i dont think i do |
| 02:06.24 | Yoshi1 | Infiltrator, anyway rebooting hopefully back on the full dev soon |
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| 02:07.16 | Infiltrator | Arrowmaster: What's the package name? |
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| 02:07.27 | Arrowmaster | for what? |
| 02:08.39 | Infiltrator | Arrowmaster: For ip, the replacement of ifconfig? |
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| 02:08.55 | Arrowmaster | iproute, you should already have it |
| 02:09.17 | Arrowmaster | and its more that multiple tools have taken over ifconfig |
| 02:09.50 | Arrowmaster | like instead of `ifconfig eth0 up` or whatever it was, now its just `ifup eth0` |
| 02:10.34 | Arrowmaster | but the point was that even though its been deprecated, ifconfig isnt going anywhere and is likely to remain forever |
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| 02:20.21 | abrotman | engla: i do'nt use 'service' |
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| 02:27.41 | Yoshi1 | hmmm |
| 02:27.43 | Yoshi1 | woot |
| 02:27.45 | Yoshi1 | i can post |
| 02:27.56 | Yoshi1 | Infiltrator: you there? |
| 02:28.20 | Infiltrator | Mhm |
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| 02:29.04 | Yoshi1 | Infiltrator: ok so well obviously i have network now but even removing i915 from the blacklist doesnt get me a desktop environemtn |
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| 02:29.17 | Yoshi1 | though it did improve my graphics somewhat |
| 02:29.28 | Infiltrator | Yoshi1: https://github.com/Bumblebee-Project/Bumblebee/wiki/FAQ http://wiki.debian.org/Bumblebee http://suwako.nomanga.net/ |
| 02:29.35 | Infiltrator | Try bumblebee |
| 02:29.48 | Yoshi1 | Infiltrator: one thing at a time can i at least get to a gui first? |
| 02:30.06 | Infiltrator | Yoshi1: If you want, I guess. |
| 02:30.33 | Infiltrator | Probably remove the blacklist and install xserver-xorg-video-intel should do the trick. |
| 02:30.35 | Yoshi1 | Infiltrator: well this isnt a convientiant or efficient way to work for me |
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| 02:31.49 | Infiltrator | Yeah, I find GUIs mostly inconvenient but each to their own, I guess. :P |
| 02:32.45 | abrotman | you've spent an awful long time giving bad advice to fix a GUI ... |
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| 02:33.29 | Yoshi1 | Infiltrator: much better |
| 02:33.36 | Yoshi1 | now what were those links? |
| 02:33.43 | Yoshi1 | or where did you find them |
| 02:34.01 | Infiltrator | Yoshi1: I found them on google. :P |
| 02:34.06 | Infiltrator | Yoshi1: https://github.com/Bumblebee-Project/Bumblebee/wiki/FAQ http://wiki.debian.org/Bumblebee http://suwako.nomanga.net/ |
| 02:34.08 | Yoshi1 | thanks |
| 02:34.13 | Infiltrator | abrotman: My apologies. Please take over. |
| 02:36.07 | Yoshi1 | Infiltrator: oh bugger that debian one is for sid :{ |
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| 02:37.48 | abrotman | Infiltrator: no, keep going, it's amusing |
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| 02:40.33 | Yoshi1 | abrotman: not for me it isnt |
| 02:41.23 | Infiltrator | abrotman: If you have the correct advice and know that mine is incorrect why are you letting me give it? |
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| 02:48.29 | GinTonicool | hi guys ,configure: error: cannot find sources (src/amule.cpp) in . or . DEBIAN SYSTEM,help me please |
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| 02:51.05 | GinTonicool | hi guys ,configure: error: cannot find sources (src/amule.cpp) in . or . DEBIAN SYSTEM,help me please |
| 02:51.17 | Yoshi1 | abrotman: so if you know how to setup bumblebee mind walking em through it? |
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| 02:51.41 | enyawix | what is they problem with testing and laptops. it the issue xorg or the kernel? |
| 02:51.51 | GinTonicool | bazhang ,hi guys ,configure: error: cannot find sources (src/amule.cpp) in . or . DEBIAN SYSTEM,help me please |
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| 02:52.44 | Infiltrator | GinTonicool: Plese don't repeat your question so often. And please provide more info: what are you trying to build? |
| 02:53.05 | GinTonicool | i'm installing amule2.3.1 |
| 02:53.49 | Infiltrator | GinTonicool: Any reason that you don't just install the one from the repo? |
| 02:53.53 | GinTonicool | can someone help me? |
| 02:54.06 | Infiltrator | ,versions amule |
| 02:54.07 | judd | Package: amule on i386 -- lenny: 2.2.1-1+lenny2; lenny-security: 2.2.1-1+lenny2; squeeze: 2.2.6+debian0-8; sid: 2.3.1-9; wheezy: 2.3.1-9; experimental: 2.3.1-10 |
| 02:54.34 | Infiltrator | Yoshi1: Did those three links help at all? |
| 02:55.02 | Yoshi1 | Infiltrator: yes i think they will but i'll look over them more tommorow. i'm soon to go to bed i have school tommorow |
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| 02:55.27 | abrotman | GinTonicool: if the amule group has a broken compile system, you sohuld probably tell them |
| 02:55.32 | Infiltrator | Yoshi1: Good luck, then. |
| 02:55.32 | GinTonicool | the problem is "configure: error: cannot find sources (src/amule.cpp) in . or . " stable debian |
| 02:55.48 | Infiltrator | GinTonicool: Why don't you just install the package from the Debian repo? |
| 02:56.26 | GinTonicool | OK ,just so ,thank you very much |
| 02:57.01 | Yoshi1 | Infiltrator: thanks |
| 02:57.12 | GinTonicool | i want know what make this happened |
| 02:57.19 | abrotman | GinTonicool: ask the amule people, not us |
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| 02:57.40 | GinTonicool | where i can find the amule people ? |
| 02:58.14 | abrotman | GinTonicool: check their website, i'm sure they have a mailing list |
| 02:58.39 | Infiltrator | GinTonicool: There is also an #amule channel here on Freenode. |
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| 02:58.49 | abrotman | GinTonicool: http://amule.forumer.com/index.php |
| 02:59.09 | abrotman | amazing how those internets work |
| 02:59.23 | GinTonicool | thank you guys ,may be i shoul try other versions,thanks |
| 02:59.36 | Arrowmaster | or maybe just install the debian package |
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| 03:00.22 | GinTonicool | abrotman,,, |
| 03:00.22 | GinTonicool | o ,no ,i can't open the link , |
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| 03:01.43 | LtL | GinTonicool: the link works |
| 03:02.33 | abrotman | GinTonicool: sounds like your entire computer is broken |
| 03:02.53 | Infiltrator | abrotman: My guess would actually be that his government is broken, but yeah. |
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| 03:03.34 | abrotman | Infiltrator: you're not funny |
| 03:04.27 | Infiltrator | abrotman: No I'm not. |
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| 03:17.02 | Yoshi1 | abrotman: if he's not funny then you couldnt have been amused by our collective atempts to get nvidia working on my system for a third day |
| 03:17.41 | abrotman | Yoshi1: have you considered that I perhaps work for a living? |
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| 03:18.26 | Yoshi1 | abrotman: i wasnt saying anything along that lines just trying to make a dry humorous comment about your earlier mention that you were finding it amusing |
| 03:18.44 | abrotman | good luck |
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| 03:19.56 | ManoftheSea | abrotman: I see you're active and value your knowledge. What's your opinion on adding unstable or even experimental repos specifically to get later versions of Gnome shell? |
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| 03:21.11 | dvs | ManoftheSea: Mixing repos is never a good idea. |
| 03:21.18 | ManoftheSea | Though, pardon me if you're busy. |
| 03:21.29 | abrotman | judd: versions gnome-shell |
| 03:21.30 | judd | Package: gnome-shell on i386 -- sid: 3.4.2-5; wheezy: 3.4.2-5; experimental: 3.6.1-3 |
| 03:21.31 | ManoftheSea | dvs, so, I'd need to move the whole system from wheezy to experimental? |
| 03:21.43 | abrotman | you can't "run" experimental |
| 03:22.33 | engla | ManoftheSea: experimental is a small collection of packages that are built to work (or not) with unstable |
| 03:22.48 | ManoftheSea | well, my lack of knowledge means I'm probably in for "fun"... but I am excited about what Gnome Shell claims to be improvements in 3.6 and even 3.8 |
| 03:22.51 | abrotman | well, not always with unstable, but generally easier that way |
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| 03:23.10 | abrotman | given the current relation of testing/unstable, shuldn't be much difference |
| 03:24.40 | ManoftheSea | so, I would need to dist-upgrade to unstable, then enable experimental and get the smallest set of packages that do what I'm wanting? |
| 03:25.05 | ManoftheSea | and you said the dist-up from testing to unstable shouldn't be too far (due to freeze, I assume?) |
| 03:25.06 | abrotman | and then wait for explosions :) |
| 03:25.22 | abrotman | ManoftheSea: you likely don't even have to use unstable .. unstable and testing are fairly close these days |
| 03:25.42 | ManoftheSea | makes explosion noises. |
| 03:25.51 | ManoftheSea | well, that wasn't so bad. |
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| 03:30.31 | Yoshi1 | grrr nope that didnt work |
| 03:30.53 | Yoshi1 | Error: couldn't get an RGB, Double-buffered visual |
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| 03:32.07 | Yoshi1 | well that was for glxgears |
| 03:32.17 | Yoshi1 | but optirun worked for winecfg |
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| 03:34.51 | tom1753 | I've got a radeon integrated graphics chip on my computer. How can I install the best drivers for it? Free/nonfree, I'm looking for the best. |
| 03:35.38 | abrotman | tom1753: depends which one it actually is |
| 03:35.59 | abrotman | tom1753: update-pciids && lspci -nn | grep VGA .. show us the line fo ryour card |
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| 03:36.38 | tom1753 | Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] nee ATI RS880 [Radeon HD 4200] [1002:9710] |
| 03:36.39 | dvs | waits for the Rage 128 |
| 03:37.55 | dvs | ,pciid 1002:9710 |
| 03:37.57 | judd | [1002:9710] is 'RS880 [Radeon HD 4200]' from 'Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] nee ATI' with kernel modules 'snd-hda-intel', 'radeon' in squeeze. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=1002:9710 http://wiki.debian.org/ATIProprietary and the out-of-tree 'fglrx', 'snd-hda-intel' module. |
| 03:38.22 | abrotman | well, he didn't tell us which version of Debian .. |
| 03:39.08 | TheMinimalist | So here's a stupid question. How do I install Openbox on a fresh Debian install if "sudo apt-get install openbox" or "sudo apt-get install openbox-session" doesn't work?... |
| 03:39.42 | tom1753 | I have testing. |
| 03:39.57 | TheMinimalist | Btw, this is on Wheezy |
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| 03:41.11 | Infiltrator | TheMinimalist: How do you mean doesn't work? |
| 03:41.43 | dvs | tom1753: firmware-linux-nonfree should work. |
| 03:41.49 | abrotman | TheMinimalist: aptitude install xorg openbox |
| 03:41.53 | Yoshi1 | Infiltrator: woot bumblebee seems to work |
| 03:41.56 | tom1753 | dvs: Thanks. |
| 03:42.05 | dvs | no prob |
| 03:42.08 | abrotman | TheMinimalist: plus xdm or gdm3 if you want a GUI login |
| 03:42.20 | zjhxmjl | hi guys!how to pause a user for special time |
| 03:42.33 | Infiltrator | Yoshi1: So you've got X up with 3D accel? |
| 03:42.39 | TheMinimalist | abrotman: I mean it says it can't find openbox |
| 03:42.58 | Infiltrator | ,versions openbox |
| 03:42.59 | judd | Package: openbox on i386 -- lenny: 3.4.7.2-3; squeeze: 3.4.11.1-1; sid: 3.5.0-6; wheezy: 3.5.0-6 |
| 03:43.02 | abrotman | TheMinimalist: patsebin your /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 03:43.05 | abrotman | Infiltrator: please, stop |
| 03:43.43 | TheMinimalist | Ok I'm an idiot, I spelled it opembox |
| 03:44.12 | dvs | opiembox!! |
| 03:44.12 | abrotman | TheMinimalist: so, that might be a problem ? :) |
| 03:44.15 | Yoshi1 | Infiltrator: i think so yeah i dont have any programmes at the moment which kind of require it. glxgears still gives Error: couldn't get an RGB, Double-buffered visual |
| 03:44.17 | Infiltrator | abrotman: Stop what, exactly? |
| 03:44.23 | abrotman | Infiltrator: "helping" |
| 03:44.40 | Infiltrator | Yoshi1: If it does, then I doubt that it's working; have a look at glxinfo | grep render |
| 03:44.51 | Infiltrator | abrotman: Okay. |
| 03:45.27 | Yoshi1 | Infiltrator: says direct rendering yes , and a couple other lines |
| 03:45.56 | Infiltrator | Yoshi1: Still doesn't smell right. But talk to abrotman from now on, apparently. :) |
| 03:46.11 | abrotman | Infiltrator: you made that mess, you get to fix that one. |
| 03:46.31 | Infiltrator | abrotman: Thank you, your highness. |
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| 03:46.52 | abrotman | right, keep giving poor advice and wasting people's time .. and i'm the bad person |
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| 03:47.13 | Infiltrator | No, you're not; I am. |
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| 03:47.21 | abrotman | Infiltrator: where? |
| 03:47.30 | Infiltrator | I'm simply thanking you for the chance to fix my mess. |
| 03:47.44 | abrotman | too bad it was someone else's computer |
| 03:48.06 | Infiltrator | Indeed. |
| 03:48.24 | Infiltrator | Yoshi1: I apologise most profusely for what I did to you and your computer. |
| 03:48.54 | Yoshi1 | Infiltrator: not you alone man we did that together |
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| 03:49.03 | Yoshi1 | Infiltrator: and i think jelly-home laid some of the foundation |
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| 03:50.32 | Yoshi1 | :P |
| 03:50.43 | Infiltrator | Yoshi1: Anyway, where are you at right now? |
| 03:50.45 | dataultrium55 | hello! #debian! |
| 03:52.08 | Infiltrator | Yoshi1: I take it that you got bumblebee up and running? Do you still have i915 blacklisted? |
| 03:52.15 | Yoshi1 | thing is optirun doesnt give errors when i run other programmes with it mind you i dont have anything that really requires 3d |
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| 03:52.19 | dataultrium55 | anyone know what this means? http://bpaste.net/show/O4jkR3572u4PYGFg7FTA/ |
| 03:52.25 | Yoshi1 | Infiltrator: no i915 isnt blacklisted |
| 03:53.01 | abrotman | dataultrium55: is that a tape library? |
| 03:53.15 | dataultrium55 | abrotman: yeah i am playing with one right now. |
| 03:53.36 | abrotman | dataultrium55: i can't imagine it has a notion of a 'full' tape |
| 03:53.58 | dataultrium55 | abrotman: so what does it mean? mtx manpage isn't too descriptive. |
| 03:54.01 | abrotman | dataultrium55: nothing in that slot? |
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| 03:54.21 | dataultrium55 | abrotman: there is a 1.5TB tape in slot 12. |
| 03:54.59 | Infiltrator | Yoshi1: Join #bumblebee and ask about glxgears. |
| 03:55.05 | Timbers | What is the big allure of a touch-enabled notebook vs a non-touch notebook? |
| 03:55.06 | Timbers | What am I missing? |
| 03:55.11 | abrotman | dataultrium55: according to the man page, the 'status' reports with it is empty or full |
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| 03:55.28 | dataultrium55 | abrotman: so it basically means, there's a tape in there. |
| 03:55.42 | dataultrium55 | abrotman: i am still at early stage of researching this tape lib |
| 03:55.51 | abrotman | dataultrium55: from what I'm reading .. it would have to scan the whole tape to know that it has useful data on that entire 1.5TB |
| 03:56.01 | abrotman | dataultrium55: seems like it might take some time to do that |
| 03:56.11 | abrotman | or at least check a ToC |
| 03:56.19 | dataultrium55 | abrotman: right. |
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| 03:57.23 | dataultrium55 | abrotman: with regards to tape specifically, are they only writable once? |
| 03:58.01 | abrotman | dataultrium55: gosh, I'd hope not .. Every tape drive i've used, the tapes are writable many times, MTBF differs on tape drive type |
| 03:58.22 | abrotman | dataultrium55: the last I used was an AIT, i think the tapes were good for 1,000 writes or so |
| 03:58.26 | dataultrium55 | abrotman: i was running amanda on it and saw that it was taking a while to get the tape definitions. however, amanda isn't too clear on it and i am just a beginning on tapes. |
| 03:58.52 | dataultrium55 | abrotman: oh good then. :) |
| 03:58.53 | abrotman | I thik the older tape types were good for a few hundred .. |
| 03:59.01 | dataultrium55 | i thought i'd be fired :P |
| 03:59.08 | abrotman | dataultrium55: check the tape drive spec, it should tell you the MTBF |
| 03:59.11 | dataultrium55 | not that i'd be fired but you get the picture |
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| 04:00.01 | dataultrium55 | abrotman: http://www.dell.com/us/business/p/dell-ultrium-lto-media/pd |
| 04:00.08 | abrotman | looks |
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| 04:00.27 | abrotman | dataultrium55: oh, so yes, there are WORM tapes .. |
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| 04:00.52 | abrotman | dataultrium55: but those aren't the norm, unless you have data retention requirements |
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| 04:02.57 | abrotman | dataultrium55: wikipedia says approximately 250 full passes for durability .. |
| 04:02.57 | dataultrium55 | abrotman: on the cartrige itself it doesn't say if it is a WORM/not. |
| 04:03.05 | dataultrium55 | abrotman: for WORM? |
| 04:03.21 | abrotman | dataultrium55: no, for a normal LTO tape .. WORM means you Write Once, Read Many |
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| 04:03.35 | dataultrium55 | abrotman: exactly. that didn't make sense :P |
| 04:03.58 | abrotman | dataultrium55: it's for companies that have data retention regulations, etc .. finance,health care, gov't .. |
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| 04:04.43 | dataultrium55 | abrotman: hang on where did you read 250 full pass? |
| 04:04.47 | abrotman | wikipedia |
| 04:04.56 | abrotman | dataultrium55: you should consult your manual for your drive and for the tapes |
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| 04:05.21 | abrotman | dataultrium55: good luck! |
| 04:05.35 | dataultrium55 | abrotman: thank you. |
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| 04:12.56 | dataultrium55 | abrotman: in mtx parlance, what does drive mean? |
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| 04:13.11 | dataultrium55 | i understand slots but drive? |
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| 04:18.42 | dataultrium55 | i guess the terms are used interchangeably :P |
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| 04:21.31 | nmschulte | Hi all. I'm having an issue with GNOME/PulseAudio. |
| 04:21.48 | nmschulte | Whenever I click on the volume icon and then choose "Sound Settings," nothing happens. |
| 04:22.03 | nmschulte | My cursor turns to the hourglass/wait icon, spins for a bit, and then nothing. |
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| 04:25.10 | cantido | I have a bridge between a wifi interface and an ethernet interface.. for some reason the when the bridge comes up on boot it comes up before the wifi is ready (firmware not loaded yet?) so the bridge gets created without the wifi interface and doesn't bridge much. If I ifdown/ifup the bridge later it works. Is there anything I can do about it? |
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| 04:27.42 | Yoshi1 | i can just like delete everything in my /tmp directory right? |
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| 04:27.59 | Yoshi1 | i mean i assume so cause it's the temp directory but always good to make sure |
| 04:28.20 | cantido | Yoshi1: it's cleared on reboot |
| 04:28.40 | cantido | I don't think it's good idea just to delete everything if you have stuff running/users logged in |
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| 04:31.44 | Yoshi1 | hmm i'll just use bastions --target option |
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| 04:57.42 | TheMinimalist | So, since Debian names everything from Toy Story, has anyone seen the live action Toy Story movie recently released? |
| 04:58.27 | zykotick9 | TheMinimalist: that's not a "support" type question. see #debian-offtopic |
| 04:58.40 | TheMinimalist | Ah, didn't see that. Thank you |
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| 05:16.01 | mns | I've got Debian/testing running on a ThinkPad T430. I installed Debian last Friday. It ran fine over the weekend. as of Monday, I've had 4 crashes were the entire system is locked up. |
| 05:16.24 | pfdotn | What changes have you made to the system? |
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| 05:17.11 | mns | pfdotn: it was a fresh install. no changes. |
| 05:17.29 | boudiccas | mns: no updates? |
| 05:18.20 | mns | I had iceweasel, icedove, emacs and a couple of terminals open. I was VPN'd into my office, and went to watch a movie. I come back and its locked up. that was the latest crash just about 30 minutes ago. |
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| 05:19.10 | boudiccas | mns: no updates? |
| 05:19.13 | mns | boudiccas: I just did an update before coming in here. Other then that, no updates. |
| 05:19.22 | pfdotn | mns: If you haven't made any changes since the weekend, then the next step is to check out messages/syslog. |
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| 05:19.43 | boudiccas | mns: ah, fair enough, thats the ususal culprit |
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| 05:22.58 | mns | pfdotn: looked in there, and I dont see anything that is suspicious. I thought it might be Google Chrome, so am not using that, just iceweasel. but it still locked up as I said. |
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| 05:26.31 | mns | here is what I see in /var/log/messages from about the time the crash happened. http://pastebin.com/CMYrCETY |
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| 05:31.43 | jagginess | msantana, 80211 ahhh that's wifi |
| 05:31.51 | jagginess | mns, 802.11 |
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| 05:33.02 | mns | yes that's wifi. its intel wifi that I've got. I did just do a safe-upgrade so lets see if that fixes the problem. |
| 05:33.26 | mns | does Debian/testing have issues with gnome3+intel graphics ? |
| 05:33.44 | jagginess | mns, debian testing is "testing" .. |
| 05:34.02 | jagginess | mns, use reportbug |
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| 05:37.48 | mns | yeah its testing, and I use testing for my home system. no problems there at all. anyway lets see what happens in the morning if its working or not. |
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| 05:43.43 | dokma|2 | is there a way to give one browser one dns results and to another browser different set of dns results? |
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| 05:44.39 | dokma | I'd like to use it for web dev and the only thing I found so far extension wise were some hosts extensions |
| 05:45.02 | dokma | but they affect all browsers and I'd like to load a site from one ip in one browser and from another in another browser |
| 05:45.15 | Arrowmaster | yes if you setup one browser to use a proxy and that proxy supports dns requests |
| 05:45.32 | dokma | hmmmm.... |
| 05:45.36 | dokma | interesting |
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| 06:00.43 | nops | exit |
| 06:01.47 | Infiltrator | Apparently it's a special git character with references? |
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| 07:03.35 | decci | Any idea if cPanel can be installed on Debian 6.0 |
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| 07:05.01 | decci | My machine shows Debian GNU/Linux 6.0 \n \l |
| 07:05.10 | freelux86 | hi someone can help me ? |
| 07:05.47 | cantido | decci: I'm sure it can, but I don't think anyone here will help you do it |
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| 07:07.55 | AndChat|420761 | Any idea? |
| 07:07.59 | boudiccas | Good morning. I am runnign cairo-dock [no open-GL], with four desktops, but i find that the panel on desktops 1 and 4 displays just a blackpanel with no icons. How can i get them back and to stay there then please? |
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| 07:09.54 | freelux86 | im trying to make one script bash who call other script like: sh script.sh ( contain sh script1.sh; sh script2.sh; sh script3.sh) but when im launch script.sh only first script (script1.sh) is loaded ... why ? |
| 07:10.29 | cantido | sh != bash now |
| 07:10.46 | cantido | and run your script with -x and see what it is actually doing |
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| 07:16.01 | freelux86 | dont work |
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| 07:16.14 | freelux86 | or i dont understand what you tell me to do ^^ |
| 07:16.24 | freelux86 | im noon on linux ^^ |
| 07:16.27 | freelux86 | noob |
| 07:16.42 | cantido | "don't work" isn't very helpful |
| 07:18.59 | nabblet | freelux86: maybe you can paste your script to a pastebin? |
| 07:19.05 | nabblet | !pastebin freelux86 |
| 07:19.21 | freelux86 | !pastebin |
| 07:19.21 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>. |
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| 07:21.53 | freelux86 | http://paste.debian.net/225194/ |
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| 07:25.53 | nabblet | freelux86: according to your script they can not run in the same time - they will be executed sequentially. the solution is |
| 07:26.10 | nabblet | freelux86: sh elite-prive.sh && sh elite-public.sh |
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| 07:27.05 | freelux86 | oh thank i will testing :) |
| 07:27.23 | nabblet | freelux86: hm... i just noted that your solution should work too |
| 07:27.34 | nabblet | *noticed |
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| 07:28.40 | nabblet | freelux86: are also both scripts set to executable ? just to be sure ;) |
| 07:28.48 | freelux86 | yes |
| 07:28.52 | freelux86 | your solution dont work |
| 07:28.58 | freelux86 | just launche the first script |
| 07:29.00 | freelux86 | .. :/ |
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| 07:29.10 | freelux86 | if |
| 07:29.16 | freelux86 | i kill the script1.sh |
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| 07:29.21 | freelux86 | script2.sh will launch |
| 07:29.28 | freelux86 | :/ |
| 07:29.40 | nabblet | freelux86: then try the && |
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| 07:30.28 | insmod | ah bash my old friend |
| 07:30.36 | nabblet | freelux86: if you still have trouble you probably will have more advice in #bash[C |
| 07:30.40 | freelux86 | same issue |
| 07:30.40 | freelux86 | :/ |
| 07:30.41 | nabblet | #bash |
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| 07:31.48 | insmod | i wrote a dvd shrinker/converterin that 20 yrs ago |
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| 07:32.35 | freelux86 | dont work :s |
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| 07:33.11 | freelux86 | is not a noob question ? :/ its too difficul to launch many script into one script ? |
| 07:33.12 | freelux86 | :/ |
| 07:33.12 | insmod | <freelux86>can i see the script? |
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| 07:33.51 | freelux86 | all.sh contain: sh elite-prive.sh && sh elite-public.sh && sh ictf.sh && sh joust.sh |
| 07:34.05 | freelux86 | #!/bin/bash |
| 07:34.05 | freelux86 | mono SMAdminTools.exe Config-elite-prive.ini |
| 07:34.24 | freelux86 | http://paste.debian.net/225194/ |
| 07:34.56 | freelux86 | tryed with && |
| 07:34.59 | freelux86 | same issue |
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| 07:36.45 | insmod | way wrong but hey i don't eve kmow windose |
| 07:37.07 | malanik_jan_gmai | hi, I have got problem with my own init script, when I run it manually everything works fine, but when I start it from rc2.d/rc3.d daemon doesn't start, any ideas? |
| 07:37.36 | malanik_jan_gmai | source code of init script: paste.debian.net/225195 |
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| 07:40.18 | insmod | <malanik_jan_gmai> does it load in init rc 5 |
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| 07:41.16 | malanik_jan_gmai | I'm starting to init rc2 or 3 it's set in inittab |
| 07:41.55 | insmod | <malanik_jan_gmai> well i would tty to see if it works |
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| 07:43.24 | malanik_jan_gmai | I tried to forward debug messages from script to syslog. (echo "`date` usbipd debug" >>/var/log/syslog) there is nothing |
| 07:44.02 | insmod | <malanik_jan_gmai> just try a tty |
| 07:44.11 | malanik_jan_gmai | hmm ok |
| 07:44.40 | insmod | startx -- :1 |
| 07:45.09 | insmod | log out first |
| 07:46.20 | malanik_jan_gmai | It's for server, I haven't Xserver |
| 07:46.40 | insmod | just run it |
| 07:47.41 | insmod | <malanik_jan_gmai> then why initrc? |
| 07:48.07 | malanik_jan_gmai | I rebooted virtual machine, on tty there was nothing from my init script |
| 07:48.16 | insmod | <malanik_jan_gmai> then why initrc? |
| 07:48.40 | malanik_jan_gmai | do you know better solution? |
| 07:48.52 | insmod | Xserver is for xinitrc |
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| 07:49.34 | malanik_jan_gmai | yes I know, but I didn't wrote anything abouy xinitrc |
| 07:50.04 | insmod | you said it did not work |
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| 07:51.44 | insmod | i would just add it |
| 07:51.48 | malanik_jan_gmai | there was misunderstand between us. I don't have anything from init 5, I'd like it use only for init 3 -> text based server |
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| 07:52.01 | insmod | i would just add it |
| 07:53.15 | anigma | is there something wrong with this: useradd -r -u 150 -g foo /var/foo -s /sbin/nologin -c "Foobar" foo ? |
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| 07:55.58 | decci | May I know if cPanel is possible to be installed on Debian 6.0 |
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| 07:57.03 | dcpc007 | hello, is it possible to search via dns a pattern of machine name ? like "srv-*" |
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| 07:57.57 | TheMinimalist | dcpc007: You'd be better off going into your router/modem |
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| 07:58.35 | decci | Hi, My friend got me access to debian system which is displaying different language. How to change it to English? |
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| 07:59.47 | dcpc007 | TheMinimalist: it's a windows AD....and don't know how to do ldap queries. |
| 07:59.49 | decci | When I am running apt-get update it ends wit Paketlisten werden gelesen... Fertig |
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| 08:00.35 | freelux86 | no solution for me ? |
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| 08:01.33 | bniels | decci, try this: LANG=C dpkg-reconfigure locales |
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| 08:02.11 | decci | thanks |
| 08:02.18 | decci | It worked |
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| 08:02.34 | decci | Any idea how can I install cPanel on Debian |
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| 08:03.58 | tt | decci: surely cPanel has an installation guide |
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| 08:05.26 | decci | tt:In their official channel they dont have Debian as supported OS |
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| 08:06.16 | tt | sounds like you're stuck installing it by hand then |
| 08:06.24 | decci | tt: (ERROR): Unsupported distro detected. cPanel only supports CentOS, RedHat Enterprise, and CloudLinux 5 and 6 |
| 08:06.47 | tt | sounds like it's not going to work at all |
| 08:06.51 | tt | perhaps you should try CentOS |
| 08:07.10 | decci | tt: I know it will work for CentOS but I need to try it on Debian |
| 08:07.18 | decci | Anyone who have tried it installing? |
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| 08:09.45 | tt | decci: why do you need it? |
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| 08:10.03 | tt | decci: it's closed-source software that explicitly says it does not work on this distro |
| 08:10.12 | tt | decci: trying to get it to run will be an uphill battle |
| 08:11.06 | dcpc007 | alternative to nslookup is dig, is there more option to search wih pattern name (i don't see) |
| 08:11.29 | peterrooney | !free whcp |
| 08:11.29 | dpkg | FOSS Web Hosting Control Panels include: <DTC>, <GNUPanel>, <ISPConfig> and <ispCP> Omega. Don't use <Webmin>. http://wiki.debian.org/HostingControlPanels |
| 08:11.32 | tt | dcpc007: the DNS protocol does not have a way to search by pattern |
| 08:11.40 | dcpc007 | arg ok |
| 08:11.43 | tt | peterrooney: oh, nice |
| 08:12.16 | decci | tt: Ok |
| 08:12.17 | peterrooney | tt: dpkg knows all. |
| 08:12.20 | dcpc007 | pfff there is even no list of linux server here :-( hard to make script which verify a param oneach |
| 08:12.33 | trist4n | que que |
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| 08:14.05 | decci | tt:I rent a new VM from linodes and I want to set up the system and my one com domain. I need an Apache web server, mysql Database and ftp access. My domain should point to an accessable folder so that I can just start uploading my web site. I was looking for cPanel, but ready for managing software which give me the possibility to create ftp accounts, mail accounts and more. |
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| 08:14.35 | decci | tt: I am good at setting up LAMP though..but need plesk or cPanel. |
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| 08:14.51 | decci | tt: Can you suggest? |
| 08:14.57 | tt | I don't think "need cPanel" and "good at setting up LAMP" can go together. |
| 08:15.15 | tt | cPanel exists so you don't have to know how to set it up |
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| 08:15.32 | decci | tt: Shall I try plesk |
| 08:15.33 | tt | anyway, Linode supports CentOS, so if you must have cPanel, you can install CentOS there |
| 08:15.38 | decci | tt: what you suggest? |
| 08:15.40 | tt | I don't know; I don't use controls panels |
| 08:15.42 | tt | *control |
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| 08:16.24 | decci | tt: Sorry I rent a new VM from Mediaon |
| 08:16.32 | decci | tt: not linodes sorry |
| 08:17.13 | decci | tt: I am pretty new to cpanel or plesk.Can you suggest what shall I do? |
| 08:17.48 | tt | my personal advice would be to drop them and learn how to set things up by hand |
| 08:18.19 | decci | tt: You mean I dont need plesk..if I know PHP, MySQL and Apache |
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| 08:18.34 | decci | tt: But I need to set it up for my colleague |
| 08:18.50 | trist4n | if thats your use case, then learning how to set those things up on debian is probabyl an interesting and beneficial exercise |
| 08:18.52 | Name141 | what is the "hybrid" live ISO supposed to be all.. "hybrid" about ? |
| 08:19.05 | tt | Name141: I think you can also dd it to a USB stick |
| 08:19.10 | Name141 | hybird being a live disk and installer ? |
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| 08:20.35 | Name141 | tt: Windows 7 aint got no dd |
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| 08:22.33 | BOYONG_IT | i cant access folder of client in debian |
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| 08:29.16 | reiner1 | hab mich jetz hier mal eingeloggt, um evtl. Hilfe zu erhalten |
| 08:30.22 | reiner1 | Folgendes: Laptop Amilo p 1510, ca. 6 jahre alt. versuche seit 2 Tagen debian zu installieren, erst fertige dists, seit gestern netinstall |
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| 08:32.01 | boudiccas | reiner1: english pleasee, you'll get more replies |
| 08:33.02 | reiner1 | ok, sry., but my english is not good |
| 08:33.03 | reiner1 | cu |
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| 08:35.28 | decci | tt: I tried following http://forums.eukhost.com/f15/how-install-plesk-control-panel-debian-7711/#.UPZSah21das and added deb http://autoinstall.plesk.com/PSA_11.0.9 squeeze main all but it is not successfuly executing the apt-get update |
| 08:35.55 | decci | Any idea if I am wrong at entry in sources.list |
| 08:36.06 | decci | tt: My sources.list says deb http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian squeeze main deb-src http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian squeeze main deb http://security.debian.org/ squeeze/updates main deb-src http://security.debian.org/ squeeze/updates main deb http://autoinstall.plesk.com/PSA_11.0.9 squeeze main all |
| 08:36.09 | bniels | Name141, hybrid referring to the boot methods. like ElTorito for CD boot and others for USB boot |
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| 08:42.16 | validol | Привет всем! |
| 08:42.34 | sur13 | привет |
| 08:43.00 | boudiccas | !ru |
| 08:43.00 | dpkg | Это английскоговорящий канал, пожалуйста, говорите по-английски или посетите #debian-russian (irc.freenode.net) (Russian speakers please go to #debian-russian) |
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| 08:43.23 | sur13 | boudiccas: this is bg |
| 08:43.46 | sur13 | do you have bulgarian channel for dis ? |
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| 08:44.19 | psiklops | hi. i am using Squeeze and have a Gravis PC GamePad connected to a CM8738 soundcard. How can i create a /dev/input/js0 ? |
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| 08:45.42 | psiklops | i am currently using the 3.2.0-0.bpo.4-486 kernel |
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| 08:48.32 | bniels | psiklops, you need to load some modules for that to work. trying to remember which ones |
| 08:48.37 | nabblet | !pastebin |
| 08:48.38 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>. |
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| 08:50.21 | psiklops | bniels, i found a howto on the modules and loaded as followed in /etc/rc.local: modprobe -r analog modprobe joydev modprobe analog modprobe ns558 |
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| 08:50.27 | bniels | psiklops, try modprobing both ns558 and analog. they may need to configured by hand, tho. those old ports don't have much of autoconfig |
| 08:50.46 | psiklops | bniels, but still no device in /etc/input |
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| 08:51.36 | bniels | psiklops, you may need to hand configure the map= parameter of the analog module |
| 08:51.37 | psiklops | /dev/input/ |
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| 08:51.52 | psiklops | bniels, ok |
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| 08:53.42 | psiklops | bniels, how to i edit ? |
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| 08:54.10 | psiklops | i found driver in: /lib/modules/3.2.0-0.bpo.4-486/kernel/drivers/input/joystick/analog.ko |
| 08:54.24 | bniels | psiklops, first remove the module "modprobe -r analog" and then "modprobe analog map=something". you need to find out what something is, tho |
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| 08:55.19 | psiklops | bniels, :-) hm, what could something be? |
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| 08:55.36 | bniels | google for kernel documentation of the analog module |
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| 09:10.25 | J-BBB | Good Morning ppl. Anyone a idea, how to change the password if I dont have "passwd"? |
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| 09:11.27 | berarma | J-BBB: I guess there's no difference |
| 09:11.54 | Armand | J-BBB, 'apt-get install passwd' ? |
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| 09:13.49 | J-BBB | apt-get is not installed :D |
| 09:14.05 | J-BBB | passwd not too |
| 09:14.11 | bniels | doesn't sound like much like debian then |
| 09:14.39 | trist4n | path etc |
| 09:15.02 | J-BBB | its a NAS BOX with debian |
| 09:15.35 | J-BBB | but without all the basic things |
| 09:15.42 | J-BBB | apt, passwd etc... |
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| 09:17.34 | bniels | create the hashed and salted password on a different system and paste it into /etc/shadow on your nas (or /etc/passwd, if shadow files aren't enabled on your nas). make sure you use an encryption system the nas understands, tho |
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| 10:12.45 | J-BBB | chpasswd is my magicstick :D |
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| 10:16.41 | turbomettwurst | does anyone have an idea what the capital S behind sdg[5] in "md0 : active (auto-read-only) raid5 sdg[5](S) sde[3] sdc[2] sdb[1] sda[0]" means? |
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| 10:19.25 | babilen | turbomettwurst: That is a five (5) not S (S) -- You might want to consider using a different font |
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| 10:19.56 | turbomettwurst | looks a lot different then the five before that |
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| 10:20.21 | babilen | oh |
| 10:20.23 | babilen | :-D |
| 10:20.27 | babilen | *that* S :) |
| 10:20.33 | turbomettwurst | yep :P |
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| 10:21.06 | babilen | haha, sorry, don't know off-hand |
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| 10:21.25 | jelly | spare. |
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| 10:21.47 | turbomettwurst | ok, so i managed to add a spare drive somehow.... |
| 10:21.58 | turbomettwurst | whatever i did to mess that up |
| 10:22.35 | jelly | if you wanted to grow the raid5 array, use --grow and change the number of members |
| 10:22.46 | jelly | and why would you NOT have a spare! |
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| 10:23.56 | jelly | also, changing the geometry of an array is probably the least exercised code path in MD. Have working backups. |
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| 10:42.21 | turbomettwurst | jelly, i assembled it with -l 5 -n 5 and it added a spare without me asking for it |
| 10:42.33 | turbomettwurst | which i found to be somewhat strange |
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| 10:43.22 | turbomettwurst | and the net size of md0 is 4 drives out of 5, so no spare there |
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| 10:46.19 | jmartinez | hi there |
| 10:46.36 | jmartinez | i am having troubles with L2TP tunnel http://paste.laravel.com/fO6 |
| 10:46.42 | jmartinez | do anybody knows anything about it? |
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| 10:53.47 | ChrisH | jmartinez: I can see the outgoing ICMP Request, but the answer is missing. Can you try an tcpdump on your other network interfaces? It could be a missing ip_forward |
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| 10:54.18 | jmartinez | ok, wait |
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| 10:55.11 | shomon | hi, dpkg on here suggests flashplugin-nonfree for installing the regular capitalist flash.. but it doesn't seem to be in a repo.. how do I watch the inane videos people keep sending me now? |
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| 10:56.38 | jmartinez | ChrisH http://paste.laravel.com/fOm |
| 10:56.47 | ChrisH | shomon: do you have contrib and non-free in your sources.list? I did install it a some days ago |
| 10:57.14 | shomon | hmm just checking.. |
| 10:57.45 | ChrisH | jmartinez: Line 4,6,8,... there are the replies... so enable forwarding |
| 10:58.26 | shomon | thanks yeah they were off.. |
| 10:58.39 | jmartinez | i thought that ChrisH but cat /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward returns 1 |
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| 10:59.47 | shomon | cool maybe twinkle is in there too |
| 10:59.51 | shomon | I need to set up sip / voip |
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| 11:00.30 | petn-randall | Is there a way to fetch older versions of security packages? Current asterisk package has a bug which causes segfaults. |
| 11:00.58 | ChrisH | shomon: I know I use twinkle at home on a stable installation from Debian repo, but here on my desktop I cannot find it. |
| 11:01.02 | petn-randall | And I don't want to go three security updates back to squeeze (vanilla). |
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| 11:01.37 | shomon | oh cool I was stumped when I saw how much stuff I had to install just to get it going |
| 11:01.45 | shomon | nothing to skype home about though |
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| 11:02.27 | ChrisH | jmartinez: I have 2 things acvtive in my PPTP server net.ipv4.conf.default.forwarding=1 |
| 11:02.30 | ChrisH | net.ipv4.ip_forward=1 |
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| 11:03.10 | jmartinez | is =1 also |
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| 11:06.23 | ChrisH | jmartinez: both ones? |
| 11:06.29 | jmartinez | yes |
| 11:07.17 | jmartinez | i think that could be a masquerading issue :$ |
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| 11:08.52 | ChrisH | jmartinez: could be also. I have no masuqerading on linux in place, NAT gets done by the Internet Router. compare http://paste.debian.net/225267/ |
| 11:09.27 | jmartinez | shorewall dump http://paste.laravel.com/fOs |
| 11:09.48 | jmartinez | ok, let me check |
| 11:10.23 | jmartinez | yes, same config |
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| 11:11.19 | ChrisH | jmartinez: You need to check your firewall config yourself :) I firewall on my Internet Router. |
| 11:11.44 | jmartinez | i am trying to… but without success hehehe |
| 11:11.46 | jmartinez | thanks anyway :) |
| 11:12.02 | jmartinez | i am pretty sure that is a masquerading issue |
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| 11:14.05 | ChrisH | jmartinez: simple test; shutdown the firewall. If it works... |
| 11:15.16 | jmartinez | i already tried that… :( |
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| 11:17.00 | ChrisH | With routing issues I sometime found a reboot helpful, if that is an option for you. |
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| 11:26.12 | ksk | hey. can one "sysadmin" use rcconf to remove "autostart" from daemons or is it somehow dirty/unpopular because of whatever? (what else would be the right way to do this?) |
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| 11:26.37 | cockroach | hey. i'm trying to get an rtl8192cu-based usb wifi adapter to work. the firmware loads just fine but i can't seem to connect to my (wpa2) network. any ideas? |
| 11:27.02 | cockroach | (if i use a proper ath9k adapter instead it works just fine) |
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| 11:30.38 | babilen | dpkg: tell ksk -about update-rc.d |
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| 11:31.21 | babilen | ksk: rcconf was fine last time I use it, but I prefer sysv-rc-conf or just update-rc.d directly. (haven't used the others in quite a while, you might want to check bugs for problems with, for example, insserv) |
| 11:31.33 | ChrisH | cockroach: pastbin to paste.debian.net dmesg; ifconfig -a ; iwlist |
| 11:31.58 | ksk | thanks. |
| 11:32.00 | babilen | cockroach: Which kernel are you using? |
| 11:32.20 | babilen | dpkg: tell cockroach -about rtl8192cu |
| 11:32.23 | cockroach | babilen: the current one from wheezy |
| 11:32.31 | cockroach | ChrisH: working on it :) |
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| 11:33.18 | babilen | cockroach: And you've installed the firmware-realtek package and rebooted (or reloaded the module) ? |
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| 11:33.55 | babilen | cockroach: Please also paste the output of "modprobe -r rtl8192cu ; modprobe rtl8192cu ; dmesg|tail -n23" |
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| 11:34.01 | zecrazytux | hi |
| 11:34.07 | cockroach | babilen: yep |
| 11:34.21 | cockroach | babilen: hold on, i'm not that fast :) |
| 11:34.22 | babilen | cockroach: (run that first! :) |
| 11:34.27 | babilen | holds on |
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| 11:35.11 | zecrazytux | does anybody know how to bind a mouse or a table to a single screen in a dual-screen desktop setup, using hotplug configuration (not xorg.conf) ? |
| 11:35.49 | cockroach | ChrisH: http://paste.debian.net/225269/ |
| 11:36.19 | cockroach | babilen: http://paste.debian.net/225270 |
| 11:36.52 | cockroach | it might also be worth mentioning that the laptop's internal wifi doesn't work properly (also connected via usb AFAICT) so it *might* be a USB issue |
| 11:37.03 | cockroach | but the ath9k usb adapter works just fine |
| 11:37.23 | Brigo | cockroach: AFAICT? |
| 11:37.32 | cockroach | "as far as i can tell" |
| 11:37.45 | cockroach | :) |
| 11:37.46 | Brigo | cockroach: ok, thanks :-) |
| 11:37.52 | ChrisH | cockroach: Are you trying to configure wlan1? Linke 1800 shows wlan1: associated; which means it successfully did the keying stuff |
| 11:38.04 | babilen | cockroach: What about "ifconfig wlan1 up ; iwlist wlan1 scan" ? |
| 11:38.27 | cockroach | ChrisH: funny enough i actually just got an IP address and managed to send 1 ping through the link before it stopped working again |
| 11:38.35 | babilen | cockroach: And yeah, are you sure that you are configuring wlan1 and not wlan0 ? |
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| 11:39.10 | babilen | curses realtek |
| 11:39.17 | cockroach | babilen: network-manager does all the magic, i assume it gets the interface name right :) |
| 11:39.57 | ChrisH | cockroach: do not assume anything! |
| 11:40.17 | babilen | cockroach: Ok, try it without NM and run the command I've just mentioned. Does it list wireless networks? Can you scan with NM? What is the status (dmesg|tail -n13 + ifconfig + iwconfig wlan1 + ...) /after/ it looses connection? |
| 11:40.23 | cockroach | ChrisH: true true. but since i got 1 successful ping through i think it's a safe assumption that the error lies elsewhere |
| 11:40.36 | babilen | the error lies in realtek |
| 11:41.13 | cockroach | babilen: iwlist wlan1 scan shows a list of networks, yes |
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| 11:41.41 | cockroach | (this would be SO much less annoying if the laptop had more than 1 usb port) :) |
| 11:41.47 | ChrisH | One ping only, could be Powersaving and similar stuff |
| 11:42.18 | ChrisH | cockroach: you heard about the existance of USB Hubs and internal WLAN? |
| 11:42.20 | babilen | cockroach: Ok, but NM looses the connection very fast ... Anything interesting in /var/log/syslog and/or dmesg? |
| 11:42.40 | cockroach | ChrisH: well that was just that one time, now it fails to connect altogether. also, iwconfig power off says "operation not supported" |
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| 11:43.13 | t7 | how do i let a user shutdown? |
| 11:43.26 | cockroach | ChrisH: i heard of usb hubs, yep, but i don't have one here. and the internal wifi is also broken (b43) |
| 11:44.00 | ChrisH | t7: have him call shutdown with appropriate rights.. eg. sudo |
| 11:44.01 | cockroach | babilen: now it said "wlan1: authenticate with [..] (try 1)", then try 2 and 3 and finally "authentication [..] timed out" |
| 11:44.27 | t7 | ah ok |
| 11:44.38 | t7 | i have to type my root password in to shutdown |
| 11:44.56 | hetOrakel | hi all, i modified my iptables and saved them with IPTABLES-SAVE to a file |
| 11:45.02 | cockroach | also, fun fact, a usb ethernet adapter that i tried doesn't work right either. the only thing that works is the atheros usb wifi adapter. |
| 11:45.08 | ChrisH | t7: using sudo the user have to use his own password |
| 11:45.09 | hetOrakel | but i would like to reconstruct my iptable commands |
| 11:45.15 | hetOrakel | is that possible? |
| 11:45.29 | ChrisH | dpkg tell t7 about sudo |
| 11:45.30 | Brigo | hetOrakel: it is in the file |
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| 11:45.33 | babilen | t7: To use, say, a DE's functionality to shutdown a user has to be a member of the powerdev group IIRC |
| 11:45.36 | t7 | i thought sudo was bad |
| 11:45.37 | cockroach | could it be a problem with the amount of power available on the usb port? |
| 11:45.45 | babilen | t7: sudo is not bad at all |
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| 11:46.07 | ChrisH | cockroach: could be. |
| 11:46.08 | hetOrakel | Brigo: huh? |
| 11:46.42 | Brigo | did you watch into the file? |
| 11:47.01 | hetOrakel | yes, but there'se some more than my 1 single statement |
| 11:47.01 | babilen | hetOrakel: You can /not/ exactly reconstruct the iptable commands. You should, however, be able to come up with a set of commands that results in an identical configuration |
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| 11:47.42 | Brigo | hetOrakel: ther are your iptables statements and some more info. Sorry, i must go now. |
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| 11:49.22 | deadalps | hello, is there someting like "apt-get install-once" or sth, so that the package can be removed automatically with the next cleanup? |
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| 11:55.10 | babilen | deadalps: I don't quite follow - What exactly do you want to achieve? |
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| 11:55.58 | t7 | i guess he wants to use a package once |
| 11:56.43 | cockroach | well then, is there a way to "eject" usb devices that are connected internally? |
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| 11:57.34 | ChrisH | cockroach: rmmod ? |
| 11:57.45 | deadalps | babilen: @gentoo you are able to install packages and dont register the package in the socalled "world", when cleaning packages which are not referenced by world are removed. |
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| 11:58.41 | deadalps | biblen: @debian there is also a apt-get (auto?)clean command, so my question is: can i install a package (only for short time), so that it will be removed with next cleanup? |
| 11:58.53 | cockroach | ChrisH: so things that don't have a driver loaded should not consume any power even though they're still on the bus? |
| 11:59.07 | babilen | deadalps: no |
| 11:59.25 | deadalps | why not?^^ |
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| 12:00.31 | babilen | deadalps: Because that functionality does not exist. A package is either installed or not. We differentiate between manually installed (will not be removed by autoclean) and automatically installed (pulled in to satisfy a dependency/recommends, these will be removed if no package declares a dependency on it) |
| 12:00.41 | maurooo | good morning |
| 12:01.06 | deadalps | ok, and can i fake a "installation as dependency" somehow? |
| 12:01.10 | maurooo | is possible to have 2 network card (one lan, one wifi) on at the same time? |
| 12:01.13 | desu | ...Have I messed up and ignored everything? |
| 12:01.24 | babilen | deadalps: You can change the "manually installed" and "automatically installed" status of a package with apt-mark and/or aptitude [un]markauto |
| 12:01.33 | ChrisH | cockroach: I am not sure about power, maybe powertop can help there |
| 12:01.41 | babilen | deadalps: What are you /really/ trying to achieve? |
| 12:01.42 | deadalps | thank you very much! thats exactly what i wanted! :) |
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| 12:02.19 | babilen | deadalps: okay, well … you are welcome. :) |
| 12:02.23 | desu | ...damn it... |
| 12:02.27 | ChrisH | maurooo: sure... you should know what you want to do, because it can result in unpredictible actions |
| 12:03.20 | maurooo | ChrisH, i have an ambedded board with debian |
| 12:03.28 | maurooo | it have one lan and one wifi |
| 12:03.48 | maurooo | i need wifi for normal networking option (internet, ssh etcetc) |
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| 12:04.13 | maurooo | and i use a lan for comunicating on a external device |
| 12:04.24 | maurooo | just from board to external device |
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| 12:04.52 | ChrisH | maurooo: sounds like you know what you want, then easiest way would be: different IP nets on both NICs |
| 12:04.55 | maurooo | but my problem is that if if activate wifi automatically disable lan and viceversa |
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| 12:05.13 | maurooo | ChrisH, i have different ip |
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| 12:05.19 | maurooo | for wifi 192.168.3.X |
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| 12:05.25 | maurooo | for lan 192.168.1.X |
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| 12:07.05 | ChrisH | maurooo: that should work. What/Who does disable LAN? |
| 12:07.40 | maurooo | now i'm triyn with wicd-gui |
| 12:08.08 | ChrisH | for static stuff you should use /etc/network/interfaces no GUI |
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| 12:08.47 | maurooo | i need somethings to configure wifi for end-user |
| 12:09.11 | maurooo | lan isn't a problem because is static configuration and user can't modify |
| 12:09.26 | maurooo | but user must have the possibility to set wifi connection |
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| 12:09.55 | maurooo | ..if wicd is a problem i can write my own GUI in java that interact with /etc/interfaces |
| 12:10.12 | ChrisH | Then you need to find out how to stop wicd-gui from disableing the LAN |
| 12:10.41 | maurooo | ok the problem is wicd...now i search on google |
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| 12:10.52 | babilen | maurooo: What is wrong with NM? And both wicd and NM won't manage interfaces in /etc/network/interfaces btw |
| 12:11.30 | maurooo | babilen, i need to manage only wifi |
| 12:11.36 | maurooo | but i need lan and wifi up |
| 12:11.45 | babilen | maurooo: At least network-manager won't disable wifi if you use wired and vice versa (in fact it tries to have both working at any time) |
| 12:12.04 | trist4n | only having a wired or a wireless link doesnt use up enough power or network resources. |
| 12:12.12 | babilen | maurooo: I haven't used wicd in quite a while and am not sure about its behaviour in that regard |
| 12:12.14 | trist4n | if possible i would connect 200 times |
| 12:12.39 | maurooo | sorry i don't understand... |
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| 12:12.47 | maurooo | the problem is wicd? |
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| 12:12.55 | maurooo | i have to try another tools? |
| 12:13.13 | maurooo | or with GUI is impossible to ahve 2 card 2 at same time? |
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| 12:14.58 | babilen | maurooo: I simply don't know how wicd behaves in this regard. The last time I checked /both/ wicd and NM did not manage any devices defined in /etc/network/interfaces -- I haven't used wicd in ages (more than 2 years) and have no idea how it behaves these days. I know that network-manager does not disable your wireless functionality if you use ethernet and vice versa. |
| 12:15.09 | ChrisH | maurooo: How do you detect LAN gets disable when WLAN gets active? Could it simply be a problem with the default route(s)? Can you pastebin ifconfig -a ; netstat -rn in different ways like WLAN active/disactive ... |
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| 12:16.17 | darsie | Hi! What's a good way to arrange several photos (of different size) for double sided print? oowriter? |
| 12:17.03 | ChrisH | darsie: I yesterday used photoprinter and gnome-photo-printer |
| 12:17.16 | darsie | thx |
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| 12:19.15 | darsie | ChrisH: Found gnome-photo-printer, but 'apt-cache search photoprinter' yields no match. |
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| 12:19.58 | ChrisH | photoprint |
| 12:20.10 | floogy | Hi, I got character issues on a ssh terminal from cygwin to debian squeeze. |
| 12:20.15 | darsie | ahh, yeah. |
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| 12:20.33 | ChrisH | darsie: photoprint did a better job for me yesterday |
| 12:20.44 | bruker_ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 12:22.24 | floogy | http://pastie.org/5694050 |
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| 12:25.09 | floogy | locale on cygwin are also de_DE.UTF-8, so why is the name of the file listed in ISO-8859 with broken charakters? |
| 12:26.41 | bniels | floogy, probably because the terminal (cygwin side) is not set to UTF-8 mode |
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| 12:26.50 | floogy | Has that got to do with the ssh config on cygwin or the debian server I'm connected to? |
| 12:27.12 | floogy | bniels, how can I test that? |
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| 12:27.50 | floogy | oon cygwin echo TürkisWeiß |
| 12:27.51 | floogy | TürkisWeiß |
| 12:28.10 | floogy | But with ssh? |
| 12:29.01 | jaroug | hi, anybody know if there is a complete doc for preseed instructions/values ? |
| 12:29.15 | bniels | floogy, that doesn't mean anything. can you pipe that echo command through "hd" please? or hexdump -C if there is no hd. see if the umlauts are one hex code or two |
| 12:29.29 | bniels | or three |
| 12:29.39 | floogy | If I type there echo TürkisWeiß bash history jumps to the first entry and appends some chars from my type at the line |
| 12:29.44 | ChrisH | floogy: Umlaute are horrible and even more horrible if windows gets involved |
| 12:30.10 | floogy | like /lighttpd_wwwrkisrkisWei |
| 12:30.23 | floogy | :( |
| 12:31.24 | floogy | bniels, echo TürkisWeiß|hexdump -C |
| 12:31.27 | floogy | ? |
| 12:31.29 | bniels | yes |
| 12:31.49 | floogy | 00000000 54 c3 bc 72 6b 69 73 57 65 69 c3 9f 0a |T..rkisWei...| |
| 12:32.11 | floogy | <- on cygwin without ssh |
| 12:32.13 | bniels | okay, looks like utf-8 |
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| 12:33.24 | boudiccas | Good morning. I am runnign cairo-dock [no open-GL], with four desktops, but i find that the panel on desktops 1 and 4 displays just a blackpanel with no icons. How can i get them back and to stay there then please? |
| 12:33.24 | floogy | echo TürkisWeiß> testlocalechar ; file testlocalechar |
| 12:33.31 | floogy | testlocalechar: UTF-8 Unicode text |
| 12:33.45 | floogy | <- on cygwin without ssh |
| 12:34.02 | bniels | floogy, is LANG on the debian side also de_DE.UTF-8? and are the corresponding locales generated? |
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| 12:34.13 | zolk3ri | Hi. I've downloaded "debian-6.0.6-amd64-DVD-1.iso" and it says missing firmware zd1211, etc. Come on, it's 4 GB.. any ideas? |
| 12:34.35 | ChrisH | !firmware |
| 12:34.35 | floogy | LANG=de_DE.UTF-8 |
| 12:34.36 | dpkg | Firmware is software to operate electronic devices, usually contained in EPROM or flash memory. Some Linux kernel drivers require firmware to be provided from userspace, notably for <WiFi> devices. Most firmware files are not part of a Debian release as they do not conform to the <DFSG>; some are available via <contrib> and <non-free> packages, ask me about <search>. See also <installer firmware>. http://wiki.debian.org/Firmware |
| 12:35.19 | ChrisH | zolk3ri: its not a matter of size, but a matter of license |
| 12:35.19 | bniels | floogy, then i don't know. try putty instead? it can be configured with UTF-8 encoding (it's not by default) |
| 12:35.20 | zolk3ri | Ok, now what happens if I don't have an USB stick / any removable storage? |
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| 12:35.43 | babilen | zolk3ri: Official images /do not/ contain firmware. You can get (semi) unofficial ones with firmware (cf "/msg dpkg firmware image") but only netinstall images. On what kind of hardware are you installing? Do you have a working internet connection during the installation? Which desktop environment do you plan to use? What is the intended use of that machine? |
| 12:36.32 | zolk3ri | I need zd1211 firmware, and I don't have a working internet connection during the installation because it's missing and I have no any USB stick, etc. |
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| 12:37.34 | floogy | echo TürkisWeiß> testlocalechar ; file testlocalechar |
| 12:37.34 | floogy | becomes if pasted into the ssh/debian Terminal (from cygwin/console2/windows) |
| 12:37.34 | floogy | # echo TrkisWei> testlocalechar ; file testlocalechar |
| 12:37.34 | floogy | testlocalechar: ASCII text |
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| 12:38.30 | ChrisH | zolk3ri: No LAN during instalaltion? Standard way would be install using LAN connection, apt-get install both-firmware-packages before rebooting |
| 12:38.34 | babilen | zolk3ri: Ok, so you /do/ have a working internet connection (wireless) but you need firmware for your ZyDAS USB device to connect to a wireless network? Is that network encrypted? If so: how? Is this for your personal box? |
| 12:38.36 | floogy | Hm, kicked after 4 lines? oO |
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| 12:38.57 | ChrisH | floogy: yes. 4 lines limit |
| 12:39.06 | babilen | zolk3ri: What hardware (cpu, ...) are you installing on? |
| 12:39.07 | zolk3ri | babilen: yeah, personal and it uses WEP only. |
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| 12:39.16 | babilen | zolk3ri: Ok, can you use Ethernet? |
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| 12:39.57 | zolk3ri | Well, I'll see if I got any rj45 cable. That would be nice. |
| 12:40.22 | floogy | bniels maybe console 2 is the culprit (an open source Terminal that reminds to konsole or gnome-terminal) |
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| 12:40.28 | babilen | zolk3ri: What about the CPU/hardware of that box? |
| 12:40.40 | bniels | floogy, pasting doesn't mean anything. you'd have to do "echo TürkisWeiß | ssh debianhostname "cat > test.txt ; file test.txt" |
| 12:40.47 | floogy | will test that, but now I'm out to lunch. |
| 12:40.58 | zolk3ri | Ok, nope. I don't have. |
| 12:41.29 | floogy | bniels I'm not able to type that in the terminal because of the umlauts |
| 12:41.49 | zolk3ri | babilen: It's Intel Pentium D, 2.80 GHz |
| 12:41.56 | bniels | floogy, you were able to type that earlier. in cygwin. that's what you said |
| 12:42.29 | floogy | In cygwin, yes, but not in the cygwin established ssh session. |
| 12:42.41 | zolk3ri | Ok, so what happens if I can't use Ethernet (because I'm a lazy ass to buy a cable) and I don't have any removable storage? |
| 12:42.42 | bniels | floogy, the command was for cygwin. verbatim |
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| 12:43.24 | bniels | floogy, echo TürkisWeiß | ssh debianhostname "cat > test.txt ; file test.txt" |
| 12:43.40 | floogy | bniels, ah, is that some scp similar thing? copy the echo to the remote shell over ssh? |
| 12:44.00 | bniels | floogy, to show you that ssh is not the culprit ;) it won't mangle stdin or stdout |
| 12:44.09 | bniels | floogy, no, it's a ssh thing |
| 12:44.58 | babilen | zolk3ri: As said earlier: you can use an installer /with/ firmware ("/msg dpkg firmware image" for squeeze images) but you might want to consider simply installing wheezy (next stable) using the daily installer from http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/ -- These images /do/ need a working internet connection in order to install more than the base system (e.g. desktop environment, ...) |
| 12:45.21 | babilen | zolk3ri: Let me check if those iamges actually include firmware for that device |
| 12:45.56 | zolk3ri | k |
| 12:46.23 | babilen | zolk3ri: The wheezy one does (./zd1211-firmware_2.21.0.0-1_all.deb) and I am off to lunch now ... Check stable yourself on http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/firmware/ |
| 12:46.24 | floogy | bniels there must be an error in your line, because the terminals are bcoming inresponsive |
| 12:46.35 | floogy | I guess because of the pipe |
| 12:46.54 | floogy | Ooops no, the server was sluggish |
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| 12:47.17 | zolk3ri | I've found an MP3 player babilen. Can I use it? |
| 12:47.17 | floogy | bniels, test.txt: UTF-8 Unicode text |
| 12:47.37 | floogy | That was typed into the cygwin shell |
| 12:47.46 | zolk3ri | I can put "zd1211-firmware_2.21.0.0-1_all.deb" on it. |
| 12:48.17 | bniels | floogy, that's the proof that ssh doesn't mangle your utf-8 text |
| 12:48.47 | floogy | yes, and also cygwin seems to be fine. |
| 12:49.06 | floogy | I guess it's console 2 Terminal Application |
| 12:49.38 | themill | floogy: what terminal application are you using on the windows end? |
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| 12:49.57 | zolk3ri | babilen: so I put this .deb file on this MP3 player, mount it and install it using dpkg? Would that work? |
| 12:50.46 | floogy | Yes with the cygwin bash shell cmd window (dosbox?) it works |
| 12:51.13 | floogy | So console2 is the culprit. Maybe I'll change to putty then |
| 12:51.45 | babilen | zolk3ri: That would an option (I though you did not have a remove medium) |
| 12:51.52 | themill | floogy: I have not idea what console2 is -- perhaps it has a "use unicode font" or "use UTF-8" setting somewhere? rxvt in cygwin is also quite a good choice. |
| 12:51.54 | zolk3ri | Me too babilen. |
| 12:51.58 | zolk3ri | :p |
| 12:52.19 | floogy | themill, it's a windows terminal application. |
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| 12:52.36 | babilen | zolk3ri: you do, however, want the firmware package appropriate for your version of Debian. Download the firmware package for stable if you use stable/squeeze and for testing if you use that. The zd1211-firmware_2.21.0.0-1_all.deb is the version for wheezy |
| 12:52.46 | themill | floogy: yeah, I guessed that, but I know nothing about it and what it can do (and probably no-one here does). |
| 12:53.07 | floogy | themill, bniels, Hm, but ls lists still wrong in the dosbox window. |
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| 12:53.16 | zolk3ri | Where can I find the one for 6.0.6? |
| 12:53.43 | themill | floogy: well if you've created filenames in odd encodings, then they aren't going to change on their own |
| 12:53.55 | zolk3ri | Oh. |
| 12:53.58 | floogy | bniels, themill, so there is a slightly chance, that I misconfigured something on debian server side. |
| 12:54.05 | zolk3ri | I've got it. |
| 12:54.23 | babilen | zolk3ri: http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/zd1211-firmware or inside the firmware tarball from http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/firmware/ → stable that I linked earlier |
| 12:54.28 | zolk3ri | Though it's still zd1211-firmware_2.21.0.0-1_all.deb :P |
| 12:54.33 | babilen | ah, well |
| 12:54.40 | babilen | ,v zd1211-firmware |
| 12:54.41 | judd | Package: zd1211-firmware on i386 -- lenny/non-free: 2.21.0.0-0.1; sid/non-free: 2.21.0.0-1; squeeze/non-free: 2.21.0.0-1; wheezy/non-free: 2.21.0.0-1 |
| 12:54.46 | babilen | heh, ok |
| 12:54.47 | babilen | :) |
| 12:54.53 | floogy | Because also webdav lists with some programs on windows/mac side the chars wrong, but as far as I remember with cadaver and in the Finder right. |
| 12:55.00 | zolk3ri | It's 16 KB, hope it contains all the stuff. :P |
| 12:55.13 | babilen | zolk3ri: Lunchtime -- Good luck and have fun! (firmware is not large) |
| 12:55.24 | floogy | Ok, I'm pause here for a moment, afk |
| 12:55.26 | zolk3ri | Ok thanks, see you. |
| 12:55.29 | zolk3ri | Brb. |
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| 12:56.44 | themill | floogy: no, if your terminal was sending rubbish earlier, then you have rubbish in the filenames now. Garbage in, garbage out. |
| 12:57.37 | bniels | floogy "ls your/dir | file -", or even better "ls your/dir | hexdump -C" on the remote side |
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| 12:58.24 | bniels | floogy, if the filenames actually have the wrong encoding, you can fix them with convmv |
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| 13:00.32 | bniels | floogy, regarding file vs. hexdump: file might provide misleading output if the filenames have mixed encodings, that's why it's better to make sure with hexdump |
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| 13:11.07 | zolk3ri | babilen: are you there? |
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| 13:12.31 | zolk3ri | I can't install that .deb package because there is no dpkg, wtf. |
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| 13:16.41 | zolk3ri | also that's funny because those files you can find at http://pkgs.org/debian-squeeze/debian-nonfree-i386/zd1211-firmware_2.21.0.0-1_all.deb.html do exists. |
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| 13:21.14 | ChrisH | zolk3ri: Are you in the installer? IIRC it does ask for a media to install them |
| 13:23.27 | floogy | bniels, # ls T?*| hexdump -C |
| 13:23.27 | floogy | 00000000 54 fc 72 6b 69 73 57 65 69 df 5f 36 30 30 78 34 |T.rkisWei._600x4| |
| 13:23.27 | floogy | 00000010 30 30 2e 6a 66 69 66 0a |00.jfif.| |
| 13:23.57 | floogy | 00000018 |
| 13:24.13 | floogy | is that utf-8? |
| 13:25.45 | floogy | I'll ssh from a ubuntu vm before using cnvmv |
| 13:25.55 | themill | the second character was supposed to be a ü, wasn't it? That's not utf-8 then. |
| 13:26.09 | floogy | yes |
| 13:26.14 | floogy | z |
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| 13:26.56 | floogy | themill, and yes, it could be, that it's an issue garbage in garbage out |
| 13:27.03 | koollman | floogy: iso-8859-something. with 'something' being 15 perhaps |
| 13:27.06 | engla | that's a latin-1 ü |
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| 13:27.32 | floogy | yes, as the file test before came out. |
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| 13:28.26 | floogy | One moment please, I have to start virtualbox to do some more testts. |
| 13:28.31 | koollman | (-1 and -15 are essentially the same, the latter adding support for euro symbol) |
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| 13:33.50 | floogy | su: pam_start: error 26 su: modul isn't known . Could that happen due "to many open files" or "could not fork" errors? |
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| 13:41.49 | floogy | If I type from the ubuntu gnome-terminal ö in a ssh session to that debian server I get (arg 6), if I press ü it will jump to line 8 in bash history, a comlete ASCII line, no umlauts in there. ä and ß doesn't appear |
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| 13:42.14 | floogy | I didn't alter the ssh client configuration. |
| 13:42.48 | floogy | locale LANG ist also de_DE.UTF-8 |
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| 13:44.57 | UukGoblin | hi guys - having a wifi issue with my Macbook Pro 8.2. iwlist scan shows up networks fine, I can see the network in NetworkManager, it asks me for a password to connect to various APs. But when I type the correct password in, it just waits there for several seconds and asks for the password again :-( |
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| 13:45.02 | UukGoblin | how could I debug this? |
| 13:45.04 | floogy | In ssh_config (debian remote server) is a value SendEnv LANG_LC_* |
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| 13:46.35 | bniels | floogy, if debian is the server, you have to look into sshd_config. and ssh_config on the local side |
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| 13:47.33 | _niCe_ | hi, how can i patch my kernel so that it loades usb on boot - i have to enter my password to decrypt my hdd |
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| 13:50.44 | bniels | floogy, also, try unicode_start on the remote side and make sure all relevant terminal definitions are installed (ncurses-base and ncurses-term) |
| 13:51.52 | floogy | How to reload .bash_rc? |
| 13:52.03 | floogy | sorry .bashrc |
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| 13:52.51 | floogy | ok, source ~/.bashrc |
| 13:53.35 | Iridos | or ". ~/.bashrc" |
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| 13:57.19 | zolk3ri | babilen: ok it works. |
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| 13:59.03 | floogy | bneil, What do you say about this? (putty from Windows with Window>Translation>Receive Data assumed to be in UTF-8) http://pastie.org/5696412 |
| 13:59.12 | floogy | bniels |
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| 14:00.46 | floogy | mount gives /dev/vzfs on / type vzfs (rw,relatime) |
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| 14:05.14 | floogy | man ssh_config|grep unicode gives no output |
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| 14:07.51 | floogy | console-tools and unicode_start, how does that work? |
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| 14:08.39 | cantoma | hey guys, can someone suggest a good email client? |
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| 14:09.36 | ksk | cantoma: claws mail |
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| 14:10.13 | ksk | can handle "huge" amounts of mails in folders without fucking up your computer (compared to thunderbird) |
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| 14:10.27 | babilen | zolk3ri: wonderful |
| 14:10.50 | cantoma | ksk, you use that one |
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| 14:12.03 | floogy | Won't set unicode mode: not a VT. |
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| 14:12.24 | floogy | <- unicode_start output , bniels |
| 14:13.26 | bniels | okay, then unicode_start is irrelevant |
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| 14:13.48 | ksk | cantoma: i use that one. |
| 14:14.07 | cantoma | ksk, so in thunderbird once you have got many emails in folders does it occupies too much space or is something else? |
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| 14:16.14 | ksk | cantoma: it occoupies too much cpu to retrieve the headers if you have 100.000+ mails in a folder |
| 14:16.58 | floogy | bniels: This is interesting: http://pastie.org/5696467 |
| 14:17.08 | BadCodSmell | I am using iptables-persistent but also need support for ip6tables, are there any packages I can use for this in debian 6.0.6? [NO X/TUI WHATSO EVER PERMISSABLE!!!] |
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| 14:17.17 | floogy | So ls doesn't work correctly |
| 14:18.04 | floogy | because it should only list the jfif wrong, but the TürkisWeiß correctly, right? |
| 14:18.48 | cantoma | ksk, and how is claws mail if you want to search for a particular email .. let say you want him to display all emails from John .. is that easily done? |
| 14:18.50 | bniels | floogy, i'm sorry, i don't have time for that right now. i'm at work. if you want, i'm available later |
| 14:19.21 | floogy | ok, thank you bniels. |
| 14:20.07 | zolk3ri | babilen: I have gcc-4.4 and gcc-4.3 yet there are not any alternatives so I can't use update-alternatives, ideas? |
| 14:20.12 | ksk | cantoma: yes, it is. also there a more verbose filter mechanism with foo you can search, eg "Older then" and more, called "extended filter" |
| 14:20.19 | ksk | cantoma: give it a try ;) |
| 14:20.38 | floogy | bniels, I'll use convmv to get the other files encoded right and will see how that affects the webdav listings. |
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| 14:22.02 | cantoma | ksk, ok i am going to install it |
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| 14:22.35 | bniels | floogy, basically it's "convmv -f iso8859-15 -t utf-8 filenames...". that does just a dry-run. add --notest to actually rename it. add -r to recurse into subdirectories. replace iso8859-15 with cp1252 if the non utf-8 filenames were somehow caused by windows |
| 14:22.57 | cantoma | ksk, i am just interested on it because the webmail client of my university is really rubbish |
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| 14:23.50 | floogy | bniels, thank you. I'll look later into the ls stuff. Have a nice day |
| 14:24.10 | ksk | guess all webmail clients have that in common ;) |
| 14:24.19 | babilen | zolk3ri: What are you trying to achieve? gcc-4.3 and gcc-4.4 are in squeeze (gcc-4.6 is not) |
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| 14:24.55 | Towzzer | that's one drawback with debian |
| 14:25.02 | Towzzer | especially since the new c++ standard came out |
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| 14:26.19 | zolk3ri | babilen: I can use CC=gcc-4.3 so meh, never mind. |
| 14:26.30 | floogy | I get on http://ftp2.de.debian.org/debian/ squeeze/main convmv all 1.12-2 [20,1 kB] a "Untrusted packages could compromise your system's security." Warning. Don't know why. |
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| 14:27.26 | babilen | Towzzer: How so? Stable is /stable/ and will not change. It has been like that for ages and will be like that. If you want newer versions you either have to track testing/unstable or use backports (or create them yourselves) -- if you need a build-environment you can build in a chroot (using e.g. cowbuilder or other tools) or on a virtual machine. |
| 14:27.53 | Towzzer | I meant like, you wanted a new version of gcc |
| 14:28.03 | Towzzer | but debian isn't updated as frequently as other distributions |
| 14:28.07 | babilen | floogy: Could you run "apt-get update" and show us the output of that along with that of "dpkg -l debian-archive-keyring" on http://paste.debian.net please? |
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| 14:28.54 | floogy | babilen, ok, that will take some time, please be patient ;) |
| 14:29.07 | babilen | Towzzer: New versions of packages are uploaded /every single day/ -- The set of packages (and their versions) does not change in a stable release though. That is the whole point of the stable release (it does not change). If you don't want a stable release then don't track stable. |
| 14:29.28 | babilen | Towzzer: ... they are uploaded to unstable (aka sid) that is |
| 14:29.36 | Towzzer | right, I'm sorry |
| 14:29.40 | Towzzer | don't beat me |
| 14:29.41 | Towzzer | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:29.42 | babilen | judd: v gcc-4.6 |
| 14:29.43 | judd | Package: gcc-4.6 on i386 -- wheezy: 4.6.3-14; sid: 4.6.3-15 |
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| 14:30.08 | babilen | Towzzer: As you can see ^^^ gcc-4.6 is in wheezy (next stable release, currently testing) and sid (unstable and will ever be that) |
| 14:30.36 | floogy | babilen, http://pastie.org/5696542 |
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| 14:30.49 | babilen | Towzzer: Just wanted to clarify that. There is a common misconception about the "stable" in the context of Debian. It has nothing to do with "unbroken, usable" but only means "not changing" |
| 14:31.41 | engla | it's supposed to be usable, unbroken and secure |
| 14:31.41 | floogy | babilen, could that be due to "too many open files" |
| 14:32.09 | floogy | my vserver is to sluggish, I should close it and switch to webspace. |
| 14:32.11 | babilen | floogy: Could you try to install convmv again and paste the entire output of that along with that of "apt-cache policy conmv" to http://paste.debian.net ? What gives you "too many open files" ? |
| 14:32.32 | abrotman | some people .. |
| 14:33.35 | babilen | dpkg: tell engla -about stable |
| 14:34.35 | babilen | engla: That is "stable" -- making sure that it is usable, secure and unbroken is what constitutes the work /before/ the release (and during the support window for security/critical bug fixes) |
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| 14:35.56 | floogy | babilen, http://pastie.org/5696572 |
| 14:36.24 | floogy | The warning is passed away |
| 14:36.52 | floogy | Maybe aptitude lacked some resources to compare the keys |
| 14:37.02 | babilen | floogy: Well, I can't help you if you do not show me the warning/errors you get (untrusted + too many open files) |
| 14:37.03 | floogy | or update did the trick |
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| 14:37.40 | engla | ignores the dpkg-smacking |
| 14:37.46 | babilen | floogy: You mean you could install it without errors /after/ you executed "apt-get update" (well, you ran "aptitude update") |
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| 14:38.39 | floogy | yes, uptitude update |
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| 14:39.50 | floogy | This way it looked before the aptitude update and reinstall: |
| 14:39.53 | floogy | http://pastie.org/5696585 |
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| 14:43.00 | babilen | floogy: Well, you answered "Yes" which obviously installs the package. I have no idea if the initial error (that the package couldn't be verified) has been solved or not. It is likely though that the "aptitude update" solved that particular problem. |
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| 14:43.46 | babilen | floogy: I would suggest to /not/ simply answer "Yes" to questions from apt-get/aptitude if you inquired about them on IRC. We typically assumed that you don't change the state of the system when we ask people to do certain things |
| 14:44.01 | floogy | babilen, I reinstalled the package without a warning, so it should be safe now? |
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| 14:44.14 | babilen | floogy: Well, at least we (I) expect to be kept informed about actions that might influence the behaviour we are investigating |
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| 14:44.25 | babilen | floogy: Try installing a different package |
| 14:44.49 | babilen | floogy: Or clean the package cache (aptitude clean) and purge the package (aptitude purge convmv) and then install it again. |
| 14:45.08 | floogy | ok, will do the latter. |
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| 14:48.29 | cantoma | ksk, it looks ok |
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| 14:48.54 | zolk3ri | babilen: I've downloaded the official NVIDIA's prop. driver and installed it successfuly, it even configured the xorg.conf... will the nvidia.ko be loaded automatically or do I have to do anything else? |
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| 14:50.26 | cantoma | ksk, now if I just want to see the email from Julian .. how should I proceed? |
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| 14:50.49 | floogy | babilen, there were no more warnings. |
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| 14:52.55 | babilen | zolk3ri: We neither support nor recommend using that way to install the nvidia driver. You have to ask in #nvidia for support with that, but keep in mind that every kernel installation (updates) will break the currently installed nvidia module. |
| 14:53.01 | babilen | dpkg: tell zolk3ri -about nvidia dkms |
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| 14:55.06 | babilen | zolk3ri: That is the "Debian way" of installing the driver and it makes sure that the driver is recompiled as necessary because it uses DKMS (/msg dpkg dkms). As opposed to the /etc/X11/xorg.conf generated by the nvidia .run "installer" that often generates problematic configurations it also uses the modern way of configuring only very specific aspects of the X server manually while using Xorg's autoconfiguration functionality for everything ... |
| 14:55.12 | babilen | ... else. (cf "/msg dpkg empty xorg.conf" and "/msg dpkg xorg.conf.d") |
| 14:55.50 | babilen | judd: v nvidia-kernel-dkms |
| 14:55.51 | judd | Package: nvidia-kernel-dkms on i386 -- squeeze-proposed-updates/non-free: 195.36.31-6squeeze1; squeeze/non-free: 195.36.31-6squeeze2; squeeze-backports/non-free: 295.59-1~bpo60+1; squeeze-backports/non-free: 295.59-1~bpo60+2; wheezy/non-free: 304.64-3; sid/non-free: 304.64-4; experimental/non-free: 310.19-1 |
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| 14:57.44 | hellyeah | hey |
| 14:57.51 | hellyeah | how can i get actual time on debian |
| 14:57.55 | hellyeah | what is the command |
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| 14:58.00 | themill | "date" |
| 14:58.38 | hellyeah | my time is wrong |
| 14:58.50 | hellyeah | how can i fix it |
| 14:59.09 | themill | hellyeah: installing ntp is the easiest way |
| 14:59.14 | hellyeah | in my country it is 4:58 debian showed 6:59 |
| 14:59.16 | themill | (assuming your TZ is right) |
| 14:59.21 | hellyeah | 6:58 |
| 14:59.29 | zolk3ri | babilen: Wtf. update-alternatives: error: alternative-path /usr/lib/nvidia/diversions/libGL.so.1 doesn't exist |
| 14:59.45 | zolk3ri | error processing libgl1-nvidia-alternatives... etc |
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| 14:59.55 | themill | hellyeah: first check your timezone then: /msg dpkg tz. Also check you have ntp installed: /msg dpkg ntp |
| 15:00.10 | themill | hellyeah: do you dual boot with some other legacy operating system? |
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| 15:00.19 | hellyeah | i am installing ntp now |
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| 15:00.47 | ChrisH | hellyeah: += ntpdate |
| 15:01.21 | hellyeah | dpkg tz didnt work |
| 15:01.21 | dpkg | hellyeah: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about |
| 15:01.27 | cantido | ChrisH: why would you ever need ntpdate? |
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| 15:01.44 | themill | hellyeah: "didn't work"? |
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| 15:01.50 | hellyeah | yeah |
| 15:01.55 | themill | meaning what? |
| 15:02.04 | themill | !doesn't work |
| 15:02.05 | dpkg | "Doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message?". Ask me about <smart questions>, <sicco> and <errors>. |
| 15:02.08 | hellyeah | dpkg tz dpkg: error: need an action option |
| 15:02.08 | dpkg | hellyeah: have you tried http://www.tldp.org/ ? |
| 15:02.09 | jelly | cantido: local clock can be too flaky for ntpd |
| 15:02.25 | zolk3ri | any ideas babilen? |
| 15:02.30 | jelly | cantido: especially in VM environments |
| 15:02.32 | hellyeah | tharkun: this is the error |
| 15:02.36 | ChrisH | cantido: because ntpq algorithm does not converges if Time-Delta is > 1000sec |
| 15:02.57 | themill | ChrisH: ntp will step the clock if the delta is large |
| 15:03.00 | jelly | ChrisH: ntpd, however, has a command line option to do a step |
| 15:03.10 | cantido | ChrisH: have the daemon set the time at boot, if you're losing that much time you need to fix something |
| 15:03.11 | hellyeah | i guedss |
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| 15:03.13 | themill | s/ntp/ntpd in debian/ |
| 15:03.17 | hellyeah | i need to change my timezone |
| 15:03.21 | themill | dpkg: tell hellyeah about tz |
| 15:03.22 | jelly | themill: :-D |
| 15:03.32 | themill | hellyeah: "/msg" is an irc command. |
| 15:04.46 | hellyeah | okey now |
| 15:04.54 | hellyeah | thanks |
| 15:06.52 | ChrisH | themill,jelly,cantido I was not aware of debian doing things different than upstream. Can you prove this behaviour with a link? ntpdate -d is usefull for testing NTP servers being reachable, too. |
| 15:07.07 | cantido | there are two ntp daemons IIRC |
| 15:07.11 | cantido | in Debian |
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| 15:07.32 | invariant | Is there a standard way to make a daemon not run at startup? |
| 15:07.54 | jelly | ChrisH: it is the upstream themselves who have deprecated ntpdate. |
| 15:07.57 | invariant | In /etc/default/ there is no entry for this service. |
| 15:08.02 | cantido | invariant: usually daemons that can be disabled have a flag in their /etc/defaults/blah |
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| 15:08.03 | themill | ChrisH: it's not really doing things different to upstream, it's just using the -g option by default. |
| 15:08.04 | floogy | I'm searching for a webdav alternative for e.g. invited users for a particular htdocs folder (lighttpd). |
| 15:08.08 | themill | invariant: no. |
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| 15:08.17 | jelly | cantido: ntp, openntpd, chrony, what's the third? |
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| 15:08.38 | invariant | How can dovecot be disabled? |
| 15:08.46 | ChrisH | themill,jelly,cantido confirmed from man ntpd = thanks for pointing there |
| 15:08.50 | cantido | jelly: I thought it was just ntp and openntpd to be honest |
| 15:09.20 | cantido | I only have one system that really needs ntp (ARM machine that has a really crap timer based RTC) |
| 15:09.21 | babilen | zolk3ri: Depending on your card you might need a newer version than the driver that is in stable (squeeze) so you might have to install the version from squeeze-backports (cf. "/msg dpkg backports") or upgrade to wheezy |
| 15:09.32 | trakinas | hello, all. Im trying to use openssh to serve as a simple sftp server for a domestic network. I was not able to login with my ordinary user, but with root. after chmoding /home/ to 755 it worked, but Im not sure this was the modification that took affect. so, what are the default chmod for /home/? |
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| 15:10.22 | zolk3ri | great |
| 15:10.30 | babilen | zolk3ri: In particular the installer from nvidia is known for fucking around with the libGL.* links in an unhealthy way. But please take it to #nvidia if you decide to /not/ follow the Debian way. Let me know what you plan to do and which card you have. |
| 15:11.39 | themill | invariant: well dovecot does ship /etc/default/dovecot |
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| 15:12.45 | jelly | invariant: which debian release are you using? That file should be present in Debian 6. |
| 15:12.48 | zolk3ri | babilen: the problem is I've tired the debian way and I've received errors. How can I install 310.19-1 btw? |
| 15:13.03 | themill | it's also present in wheezy |
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| 15:13.28 | zolk3ri | babilen: I have NVIDIA GeForce GT630 |
| 15:14.12 | babilen | zolk3ri: You can not install 310 the Debian way on squeeze. Squeeze-backports gets you 295.* and you would have to upgrade to wheezy if you want the newer version. (you can pull in 310 from experimental) |
| 15:14.13 | invariant | Perhaps I just overlooked it. Odd. It's there. |
| 15:14.25 | babilen | zolk3ri: Let me check which driver version supports that card. |
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| 15:15.30 | babilen | zolk3ri: Could you show me the output of "lspci -nn|grep -i vga" please? |
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| 15:16.31 | n0body | hello all |
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| 15:17.24 | babilen | zolk3ri: You need at least 295.* for that card as the version in squeeze (195) does not support it. Would you prefer to install the driver from backports or would you prefer to upgrade to wheezy? Isn't this quite a new install? Didn't I recommend wheezy earlier? |
| 15:17.59 | zolk3ri | babilen: 04:00.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: nVidia Corporation Device [10de:0f00] (rev a1) |
| 15:18.17 | zolk3ri | babilen: ok, how do you upgrade to wheezy? |
| 15:18.28 | babilen | dpkg: tell zolk3ri -about squeeze->wheezy |
| 15:19.02 | zolk3ri | ok |
| 15:19.03 | n0body | to upgrade to wheezy from squeezy: http://www.debian.org/releases/wheezy/amd64/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html |
| 15:19.12 | n0body | or http://www.garron.me/linux/upgrade-debian-squeeze-wheeze-6.0-7.0.html |
| 15:19.15 | zolk3ri | I've got it. |
| 15:19.20 | babilen | zolk3ri: But given that you've just installed Debian I would simply reinstall using the image with firmware from http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/daily-builds/wheezy_d-i/current/amd64/iso-cd/ |
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| 15:20.05 | themill | n0body: follow the release notes not random website |
| 15:20.10 | babilen | zolk3ri: You can try to upgrade in-place as well. It is up to you, but some of the bugs/errors that prevent the release of wheezy concern the upgrade behaviour. |
| 15:20.38 | babilen | n0body: And in particular not a website that does not even get the release names right :) |
| 15:21.08 | n0body | i have a stupid question... im quite new to debian, actually using (and loving) wheezy testing, how harder is this to upgrade to the stable version when wheezy will come to stable? im going to put a lot of things in this machine so i must know if i will need to reintall all the stuff soon later (wheezy will come to stable soon i think, am i wrong?) |
| 15:21.49 | themill | n0body: there will be almost nothing to upgrade between wheezy as it is now and wheezy as it is released in a couple of monhts |
| 15:22.19 | babilen | n0body: If you upgrade your box frequently and if you use "wheezy" in your sources.list you will automatically track stable as soon as wheezy is released as stable |
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| 15:22.21 | Yoshi1 | what package contains ifconfig? |
| 15:22.32 | jelly | judd: file bin/ifconfig |
| 15:22.36 | judd | Search for bin/ifconfig in squeeze/i386: net-tools: sbin/ifconfig |
| 15:22.40 | themill | Yoshi1: /msg dpkg search; I'd be surprised if you didn't have it |
| 15:22.51 | Sm0ke0ut | ifupdown I guess |
| 15:22.53 | Yoshi1 | themill: i dont i tried running the command |
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| 15:23.20 | themill | Yoshi1: that is not a reliable test. |
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| 15:23.34 | themill | (as you will soon discover) |
| 15:23.42 | floogy | themill, bniels, I changed that jfif file to utf-8, and after a webdav remount it now appears in the finder with the right chars. The downside is, that the image now will no longer load by the swf file, but that's no problem. Now I know that it is a garbage in/garbage out issue, due to an earlier encoding mix. Almost every file is in us-ascii, instead of utf-8. |
| 15:23.48 | Yoshi1 | themill: ok so i do have it so sayeth man pages |
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| 15:24.21 | themill | Yoshi1: /sbin/ifconfig |
| 15:24.59 | turbomettwurst | any recommondation on how to completly destroy all data on former zfs disks? (using linux) |
| 15:25.07 | jelly | floogy: well, us-ascii IS a strict subset of UTF-8 so you're in luck? |
| 15:25.10 | jelly | hides |
| 15:25.10 | themill | floogy: encoding is a pita. Using UTF-8 everywhere is the path of least resistance. |
| 15:25.20 | turbomettwurst | i know i can overwrite the entire disk, but that is a rather imperfect solution |
| 15:25.21 | Towzzer | write zeros once using dd |
| 15:25.50 | floogy | jelly, yes maybe. I'll change only the iso-8859-1 files to utf-8 |
| 15:25.59 | jelly | nodnod |
| 15:25.59 | floogy | There are two. |
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| 15:26.52 | ksk | turbomettwurst: use "dban" |
| 15:27.01 | turbomettwurst | that takes even longer :) |
| 15:27.05 | floogy | At least all ascii files are without umlauts or broken chars ;) |
| 15:27.06 | ksk | !tell turbomettwurst about dban |
| 15:27.34 | ksk | time should not be an issue performing that task.. |
| 15:27.41 | turbomettwurst | i was hoping for less nuclear strike and more surcigal precision :) |
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| 15:28.38 | ksk | the nuclear strike sure is some wiping machine using magnets *clack* ;) |
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| 15:29.37 | turbomettwurst | :) |
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| 15:30.35 | jhutchins | turbomettwurst: Basically your options are either overwrite the data or degauss the drive. |
| 15:32.19 | jhutchins | turbomettwurst: You can try a format, but that's not really secure. |
| 15:32.38 | turbomettwurst | tried that already |
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| 15:33.03 | turbomettwurst | tried nuking the first and the last sectors, which according the zfs specs should be sufficient |
| 15:33.09 | turbomettwurst | but still not enough |
| 15:33.31 | jhutchins | turbomettwurst: How so? |
| 15:33.46 | turbomettwurst | well blkid still reports a zfs volume |
| 15:34.10 | jhutchins | turbomettwurst: Well, yeah, you have to nuke the partition table too. |
| 15:34.22 | turbomettwurst | fdisk and every partitioner i know of consider it empty |
| 15:34.34 | turbomettwurst | and without any table whatsoever |
| 15:34.45 | jhutchins | turbomettwurst: do you have an obsolete pc you don't use? |
| 15:34.48 | turbomettwurst | only blkid still recognizes |
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| 15:34.58 | turbomettwurst | yeah, roughly 10 or so |
| 15:35.02 | Towzzer | why is the writing zeros no good? |
| 15:35.23 | jhutchins | turbomettwurst: put the drive on one of those, start dban, and just let it run until tomorrow. |
| 15:35.25 | turbomettwurst | i was hoping to get a faster result, since i'd have to overwrite 5x400gb |
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| 15:35.41 | jhutchins | turbomettwurst: Do more than one at a time. |
| 15:35.46 | turbomettwurst | will do |
| 15:36.02 | turbomettwurst | well my issue is this one: http://bugtracker.openmediavault.org/view.php?id=702 |
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| 15:36.12 | jhutchins | turbomettwurst: The important thing is to plan to come back tomorrow rather than sit and watch it. |
| 15:36.14 | turbomettwurst | so i was hoping to find a more elegant solution |
| 15:36.38 | turbomettwurst | which could be incorportated into the webgui |
| 15:37.54 | jhutchins | Interesting. |
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| 15:38.09 | jhutchins | Something unique to zfs perhaps. |
| 15:38.14 | turbomettwurst | yep it is |
| 15:38.37 | turbomettwurst | since zfs is built to be resilliant it keeps backups of everything |
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| 15:39.03 | turbomettwurst | which is kind of biting me in the ass now :) |
| 15:39.36 | jhutchins | turbomettwurst: What I would try would be to replace the zfs partition with something more standard like an ext3 partition, then check it with blkid, then maybe format it (mkfs), then remove it, then try the RAID software again. |
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| 15:39.59 | jem^ | turbomettwurst: if you only need to render the disks blank, then dd zeros to it |
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| 15:40.03 | jem^ | shouldn't take as long as dban |
| 15:40.40 | turbomettwurst | yep i know, i was hoping for something that happens in a timeframe that could be used inside the webinterface |
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| 15:41.00 | jem^ | dd zeros to the first 100mb and the last 100mb? |
| 15:41.15 | turbomettwurst | zeroing would fix my issue, a different approach could help everyone using omv |
| 15:41.37 | turbomettwurst | i'll try that jem^ |
| 15:41.50 | jhutchins | dban defaults to multiple passes, but you can tell it to do a single pass. The main advantage is you can take any old PC and boot the dban disk to do the wiping. |
| 15:42.15 | jem^ | I know the freebsd port of zfs includes a zpool labelclear command - not sure whether thats freebsd-specific |
| 15:42.21 | themill | you probably don't even need to wipe out that much of it if all you're doing is destorying the filesystem so that tools will see them as blank to assemble into an array |
| 15:43.05 | jem^ | that of course won't help if you've removed the disks from the system that has zfs support |
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| 15:43.31 | turbomettwurst | the former zfs system went up in smoke :) |
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| 15:44.48 | turbomettwurst | ha! |
| 15:45.02 | turbomettwurst | turns out zeroing out the first 100mb is sufficient to destroy zfs |
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| 15:45.23 | turbomettwurst | (and mybe the fact that i wiped the last sectors in a prior run) |
| 15:45.30 | jem^ | its likely you don't need to do 100mb |
| 15:45.36 | jem^ | that was just a safe guess |
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| 15:45.56 | jem^ | maybe only a few mb will suffice |
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| 15:47.23 | turbomettwurst | 10 are |
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| 15:48.08 | blubberdiblub | floogy, i'm back home now, if you want to discuss it further. it's me, bniels |
| 15:48.22 | turbomettwurst | 5mb are not... |
| 15:48.37 | jem^ | Upon logging into my account on my debian laptop, 'ssh-add -l' is telling me that one of my keys has already been loaded. Given that they're passphrased, how and why is this happening? |
| 15:48.49 | floogy | themill, bniels, I changed that jfif file to utf-8, and after a webdav remount it now appears in the finder with the right chars. The downside is, that the image now will no longer load by the swf file, but that's no problem. Now I know that it is a garbage in/garbage out issue, due to an earlier encoding mix. Almost every file is in us-ascii, instead of utf-8. |
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| 15:49.26 | blubberdiblub | floogy, you mean iso8859-1 or cp1252, not us-ascii |
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| 15:50.54 | floogy | blubberdiblub, I tested with echo and file. Maybe it's that way because ascii is a subset of utf-8 and everything, besides the few iso8859-1 or cp1252 files is fine. |
| 15:51.12 | blubberdiblub | floogy, change the filename inside the swf, too, then it will load again ;) |
| 15:51.54 | floogy | yes, that's a way, to open the fla, change the filenames and export as swf. |
| 15:52.02 | turbomettwurst | Thx a lot guys, raid is created and syncing :) |
| 15:52.36 | floogy | Or I jus leave them as they are (3 files afai see) |
| 15:53.17 | floogy | With Putty also the ssh issue went away. |
| 15:53.55 | floogy | Bizarre that also gnome-terminal and ssh in ubuntu shows that ugly behaviour. |
| 15:54.07 | floogy | not only cygwin/ssh |
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| 15:54.48 | blubberdiblub | floogy, probably a terminal issue. or a misconfiguration |
| 15:55.37 | floogy | But now I'm sure, that the webdav charset issue comes from the filename encoding. Maybe cadaver does some automagical char converting... |
| 15:55.48 | floogy | Have to do some more tests |
| 15:55.51 | berarma | I want to answer bug reports from icedove, what would be the easy way? |
| 15:56.06 | berarma | I don't get icedove to load the mbox files |
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| 15:58.59 | floogy | blubberdiblub, No cadaver lists them with corrupted chars (iso-8859 ones) and the utf-8 ones are fine. |
| 15:59.01 | blubberdiblub | floogy, cadaver is a command line program, right? then you can only be sure when you hexdump it's output. on many utf-8 enabled terminals, chars output as iso8859-1/-15 will be displayed correctly, too. that makes it hard to discern if the actual output bytes were correct or not |
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| 16:00.33 | floogy | cadaver doesn't use some automagical char conversion and Finder.app simply omits those files, they doesn't show up, and I thought they were fine, because I didn't see any corrupted chars ;) |
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| 16:03.46 | floogy | blubberdiblub, cmd/ssh ls doesn't work, maybe I'll try this: http://superuser.com/questions/269818/change-default-code-page-of-windows-console-to-utf-8 |
| 16:04.43 | blubberdiblub | floogy, are you still using a windows console? you really shouldn't. use putty or mintty |
| 16:04.59 | invariant | How do I check whether a given package is a dependency of any in a list of packages efficienctly? |
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| 16:05.23 | invariant | Alternatively, can I use install and remove commands in one call to apt-get or aptitude? |
| 16:05.31 | themill | yes |
| 16:06.28 | blubberdiblub | invariant, aptitude install packagetoinstall packagetoremove- |
| 16:06.42 | blubberdiblub | invariant, note the dash at the end of the second package |
| 16:06.57 | jelly | don't remember, does packagetopurge_ ? |
| 16:06.58 | themill | was hoping invariant would look at the man page rather than being spoonfed the answer |
| 16:07.12 | blubberdiblub | hmm, right, sorry |
| 16:07.13 | invariant | blubberdiblub, what happens when I first say I want to remove a package and then want to install a package that is the parent of the package I want to remove? |
| 16:07.14 | floogy | blubberdiblub, here is sth about utf-8 and console 2 http://www.hanselman.com/blog/Console2ABetterWindowsCommandPrompt.aspx#e38678e0-f446-4a5a-a4a1-26669ab9967c |
| 16:07.33 | themill | invariant: tias |
| 16:07.45 | jelly | try it, and see |
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| 16:09.42 | floogy | blubberdiblub, But maybe you're righht and fore ssh I should switch from console2/cmd/cygwin/ssh to putty. |
| 16:10.02 | Towzzer | woah |
| 16:10.06 | Towzzer | cygwin is so much better than putty |
| 16:10.10 | Towzzer | go to top on puty |
| 16:10.19 | Towzzer | it looks horrible, on cygwin it looks perfect |
| 16:10.58 | blubberdiblub | *sigh* cygwin is not a terminal nor an ssh client, Towzzer. cygwin is just a compatibility layer |
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| 16:11.17 | jelly | putty can be configured for UTF-8 output and use nice(r) fonts |
| 16:11.19 | zolk3ri | babilen: the nvidia one works perfectly |
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| 16:11.42 | zolk3ri | now I need sound. :P |
| 16:11.44 | babilen | zolk3ri: What do you mean? |
| 16:12.02 | zolk3ri | well I've downloaded the latest nvidia prop. driver and installed it and it works. |
| 16:12.06 | babilen | zolk3ri: did you upgrade to wheezy and did you install nvidia-kernel-dkms ? |
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| 16:12.19 | zolk3ri | nah I'm on squeeze and using prop. drivers |
| 16:12.57 | Towzzer | blubber , you know I meant the ssh client from openssh running in cygwin |
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| 16:13.05 | Towzzer | being that's the only ssh client available on cygwin |
| 16:13.25 | blubberdiblub | Towzzer, well, you still need to specify which terminal you're using, since putty is ssh + built in terminal |
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| 16:13.58 | babilen | zolk3ri: As I said: There are a number of problems associated with the nvidia driver installation. Among them: 1. It does not cope with kernel upgrades 2. It messes up libGL* symlinks and breaks the expectation of certain programs 3. It installs software to /usr and not /usr/local like every other FHS compliant third-party installer 4. ... |
| 16:14.33 | themill | Towzzer: the issue that floogy is addressing is the terminal emulator used, not the ssh client used. |
| 16:14.33 | blubberdiblub | Towzzer, especially since the terminal defines how it's looking. and the look was what you were commenting on |
| 16:14.45 | babilen | zolk3ri: The configuration file created by nvidia-xconfig is also suboptimal and I've seen plenty of people having problems with it. I have a good reason for suggesting the Debian way (and the upgrade to wheezy), but you are free to do what you want. If you are happy, I am happy |
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| 16:15.22 | Towzzer | right, the default on putty looks bad, the default on cygwin looks awesome |
| 16:15.22 | Towzzer | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:16.13 | themill | *sigh* and that is irrelevant to the problem at hand. perhaps we can move on and improve the signal:noise now? |
| 16:16.21 | blubberdiblub | Towzzer, there is no "default on cygwin". you must specify the terminal you're using. you could be using cmd, you could be using mintty, you could be using rxvt, who knows |
| 16:16.29 | blubberdiblub | yes, sorry |
| 16:16.32 | Towzzer | the default is mintty when you install it |
| 16:16.32 | blubberdiblub | i'll shut up |
| 16:16.35 | Towzzer | that's what the shortcut runs |
| 16:16.57 | invariant | How can I configure aptitude to install more than 40 packages at a time? |
| 16:17.04 | themill | invariant: eh? |
| 16:17.30 | invariant | themill, I see I made a mistake. |
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| 16:17.39 | blubberdiblub | invariant, you give it more than 40 packages at the command line or select them in the ncurses TUI |
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| 16:18.40 | os__konversation | hi! |
| 16:19.03 | shal3r | is it a bad practice to install some non-system packages from sid on squeezy? |
| 16:19.18 | sney | !squeezy |
| 16:19.19 | dpkg | Debian 6.0 <stable> is codenamed <squeeze>. The current <testing> distribution, which will be released as Debian 7.0, is codenamed <wheezy>. There is no "squeezy" or "wheeze". |
| 16:19.24 | sney | which one are you |
| 16:19.26 | os__konversation | i want to update packages information for apt .. but without a direct internet connection.. |
| 16:19.56 | floogy | sorry, if I stress the noise, but that might be interesting to stick with cygwin: "using mintty, you could be using rxvt" Maybe I try to use one of those with cygwin and see If that comes with a proper utf-8 configuration. |
| 16:20.26 | themill | floogy: rxvt-unicode is available from cygwin setup and does what it says on the tin |
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| 16:20.35 | themill | dpkg: tell os__konversation about apt-offline |
| 16:20.41 | elkng | when will 7.0 and 8.0 be released ? |
| 16:21.21 | jem^ | can debian be installed with gpt partitioning on a non-EFI system? |
| 16:21.22 | blubberdiblub | themill, the point is he was using some windowsish console up to now. so mintty could very well do it, too |
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| 16:21.42 | babilen | shal3r: And you shouldn't mix stable (squeeze) with anything but squeeze-backports. If you need specific versions or some packages that are not in squeeze or squeeze-backports you can try to backport them yourself. Another option would be to upgrade to wheezy. What are you /really/ trying to do? Which software do you want to install? |
| 16:22.06 | sney | elkng, when they're ready |
| 16:22.13 | floogy | blubberdiblub, themill, Towzzer, Ok, that suffices for now. Thanks for help and input. |
| 16:22.21 | floogy | bye |
| 16:22.22 | vrkalak | don't forget Apt: Pinning |
| 16:22.35 | themill | blubberdiblub: I've had unicode issues in whatever the default cygwin shell is/was for the last 12 years (but they have changed it over that time so it may not be an issue now) |
| 16:22.48 | shal3r | babilen, zabbix-server, zabbix-agent, zabbix-frontend-php and maybe php |
| 16:23.08 | os__konversation | themill: i want to do it without wget (the online machine is windows) |
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| 16:23.14 | babilen | jem^: The beta4 installer (the first that supports EFI) and later ones couple these two things together. GPT is part of the UEFI specification and I am not sure if it actually makes sense to unbundle them |
| 16:23.42 | themill | os__konversation: you can get wget for windows. |
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| 16:24.07 | os__konversation | themill: acually i have problems with it in that machine |
| 16:24.23 | os__konversation | wget doesn't working .. (in cafe net) |
| 16:25.06 | blubberdiblub | themill, let me try it. mintty is pretty "recent" default, afaik. well, "recent" is relative |
| 16:25.15 | babilen | shal3r: All those packages are in squeeze and you can just install them. Installing a newer version of PHP or zabbix* is probably a bad idea and I wouldn't recommend to do that. Which version of zabbix-server-[pgsql,mysql] do you /require/ ? |
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| 16:26.49 | elkng | sney: when they are ready ? |
| 16:27.23 | floogy | Hm, cygwin lnk starts here cmd, how to proof that? |
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| 16:27.42 | blubberdiblub | floogy, install mintty |
| 16:27.53 | blubberdiblub | floogy, and/or rxvt-unicode |
| 16:28.10 | floogy | mintytty in cygwin? |
| 16:28.22 | blubberdiblub | yes |
| 16:28.26 | floogy | mintty ;) |
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| 16:29.19 | os__konversation | thanks anyway guys |
| 16:29.23 | floogy | There is a cygwein bashg shell and cygwin terminal icon, the latter I didn't tested |
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| 16:30.17 | sney | elkng, there is no scheduled release date. Debian releases happen when the work on them is finished |
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| 16:30.23 | floogy | ok that didn't work either. I'll try to instamm mintty tomorrow, bye |
| 16:30.43 | shal3r | babilen, squeeze got 1.8.2 but i need 2.0.x which is in wheeze |
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| 16:31.33 | babilen | shal3r: No, 1:1.8.11-1+b1 is in wheezy. 1:2.0.2+dfsg-4 is in sid. i take it that you plan to use that in production? |
| 16:32.25 | shal3r | babilen, i'm sorry, you are right - it's in sid. Yes, i need it in production |
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| 16:33.18 | zolk3ri | babilen: how can I make apt-get install the softwares into /usr/local/ or something? |
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| 16:33.50 | babilen | zolk3ri: you can't |
| 16:33.57 | zolk3ri | wtf |
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| 16:34.07 | babilen | zolk3ri: What are you trying to do? |
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| 16:34.42 | blubberdiblub | themill, it works fine for me. no charset issues here |
| 16:35.11 | themill | blubberdiblub: good to hear. I imagine I'll still find rxvt a nicer terminal emulator on the few occasions I need it anyway |
| 16:35.17 | babilen | shal3r: Well, not sure what to recommend here. You /might/ want to consider running wheezy, but that still wouldn't get you the version you want. You /could/ try to backport the version from sid to squeeze or wheezy by following "/msg dpkg ssb" for zabbix, but I have no idea how easy that will be. At least the build-dependencies are satisfied in both squeeze and wheezy, so it might be worth a try. Do /not/ simply install the sid packages as that ... |
| 16:35.23 | babilen | ... will break your system. |
| 16:36.24 | babilen | zolk3ri: I take it that you are trying to do something that should be done differently. If you would provide more details than "wtf" on what you are trying to achieve we might be able to advise you. |
| 16:36.29 | shal3r | babilen, thanks. what about removing zabbix-* from my squeeze and compile newer version from sources? |
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| 16:36.39 | invariant | shal3r, which package do you want to run? |
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| 16:37.11 | invariant | shal3r, because you can also install another Debian in a chroot. |
| 16:37.26 | shal3r | invariant, zabbix-agent zabbix-frontend-php zabbix-server-mysql |
| 16:37.36 | invariant | shal3r, I think that would be possible. |
| 16:37.40 | sney | shal3r, what babilen suggested about "backport" is building the newer version from source, only it's building debian packages of the newer version from source. |
| 16:37.54 | babilen | shal3r: That is essentially what a backport of the sid packages would be. You can, however, also try to compile the upstream zabbix and install it to /usr/local. I would recommend to use stow to manage these "installations" to /usr/local (see "/msg dpkg stow" and "/msg dpkg stow usage" for details) -- I would try to backport it myself by following "/msg dpkg ssb" for it first though |
| 16:37.57 | sney | so they are still respected by apt and can be easily upgraded at a later date, etc |
| 16:38.06 | zolk3ri | babilen: apt-get install sbcl installs it in /usr/ but... I wish it did install it to /usr/local. |
| 16:38.26 | babilen | zolk3ri: Why? |
| 16:38.27 | themill | zolk3ri: can you tell us why you wish that/ |
| 16:38.28 | invariant | shal3r, often packages meant for sid don't compile for stable. |
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| 16:38.55 | invariant | shal3r, installing a chroot gets around this problem, but it doesn't work when the chroot binaries need special kernel features. |
| 16:39.10 | babilen | invariant: The build dependencies (at least) are satisfied in squeeze. it is worth a try. |
| 16:39.27 | invariant | babilen, yeah, I suppose it's the first thing to try. |
| 16:39.43 | invariant | babilen, it would be useful if there was just one command to do that already. |
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| 16:39.59 | LMolr | do debian repos have static precompiled binaries? |
| 16:40.04 | themill | LMolr: no |
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| 16:40.27 | invariant | The real system parts are statically linked, aren't they? |
| 16:40.31 | BadCodSmell | In debian amd64, how can I build for i386? |
| 16:40.35 | LMolr | themill, ok :( thanks |
| 16:40.35 | invariant | But the rest isn't. |
| 16:40.43 | babilen | shal3r: If backporting it to squeeze fails you /might/ want to consider to actually use wheezy in production. There are arguments in favour and against doing that (bugs, security support status, ...) but it would almost certainly enable you to use zabbix 2.0* and you get a newer PHP version "for free" |
| 16:40.47 | themill | LMolr: what are you really trying to do here? |
| 16:41.14 | themill | BadCodSmell: using debootstrap to make a chroot is often the simplest way. There is of course some cross-building support within the toolchain too |
| 16:41.17 | babilen | zolk3ri: What do you expect to gain from "installing" that package to /usr/local? |
| 16:41.18 | zolk3ri | babilen: well, if apt-get remove will remove everything related to it then it's not a problem. |
| 16:41.26 | LMolr | themill, i need a software that is in debian repos, but i'm not on a debian machine |
| 16:41.35 | BadCodSmell | but go with .deb and you don't have to worry about 5.4 breaking things as you get the latest 5.3 |
| 16:41.41 | bittergeek | Are ufw questions out of scope for this channel? |
| 16:41.45 | zolk3ri | babilen: I don't like having two same binaries in /usr/bin and /usr/local/bin |
| 16:41.48 | babilen | zolk3ri: If you remove (well, rather purge) a package /all/ its files will be removed from the system. |
| 16:42.08 | zolk3ri | and by same I mean the identical name |
| 16:42.15 | themill | LMolr: debian provides source packages that can be compiled. |
| 16:42.32 | babilen | zolk3ri: Then don't put an identical binary into /usr/local/bin -- I mean what you do in /usr/local is entirely up to you and outside of the control of the packaging system |
| 16:42.34 | shal3r | babilen, thanks, i will try backporting. I also thought about upgrading to wheezy but don't think that's a good move on live full-featured web/mail/db server |
| 16:42.55 | BadCodSmell | shal3r: consider going centos 6 or ubuntu server. |
| 16:43.22 | LMolr | themill, i was trying to avoid that step.. aye, going for compile so |
| 16:43.38 | zolk3ri | babilen: yeah I agree but look, having /usr/bin/sbcl and /usr/local/bin/sbcl looks... feels.. weird. so I think I'll just compile the newest one using this /usr/bin/sbcl then remove that one and instal lthe new one to /usr/local |
| 16:43.51 | themill | shal3r: you could consider moving to wheezy at about this stage of the release cycle. Security support isn't necessarily as fast as you might like unless you also cherry pick packages from sid. |
| 16:44.10 | themill | zolk3ri: so don't have/usr/local/bin/sbcl then? or don't install the package that puts it there? |
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| 16:44.20 | themill | zolk3ri: I still don't understand what problem you're trying to solve. |
| 16:44.23 | babilen | shal3r: Yeah, I agree and I am very reluctant to recommend it. Wheezy will, however, be released soonish and I know of some people who use it in production. You will also have to upgrade to it in a couple of months (rather sooner than later) -- It is hard to give a perfect answer here, but my gut actually says: use wheezy and pay close attention to CVEs against Debian packages. (see https://security-tracker.debian.org/tracker/) |
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| 16:45.57 | zolk3ri | themill: I want the locally compiled one be at /usr/local but since it has the same name (sbcl, and I won't change it anyway) as the one in /usr/bin it feels weird so I'll just install the compile one to /usr/local and completely remove the old one (/usr/bin/sbcl one) |
| 16:46.06 | zolk3ri | themill: and there is no problem anyway |
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| 16:46.24 | babilen | shal3r: As themill said: You can always cherry pick packages from sid (set the default release to wheezy and then pull in packages from sid) ... It feels like a better solution than setting up a system that will have to be upgraded in two/three months in particular if you actually need newer software. |
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| 16:46.43 | BadCodSmell | On debian 6.0.6-amd64 how cna I compile for debian 6.0.6-i686? |
| 16:46.45 | babilen | zolk3ri: So don't compile one locally and install it to /usr/local |
| 16:47.27 | themill | zolk3ri: I don't understand why you want a locally compiled one at all, let alone a locally compiled one and one from the packaging system. |
| 16:47.30 | BadCodSmell | I guess I need this: http://wiki.debian.org/BuildingCrossCompilers |
| 16:47.41 | babilen | indeed |
| 16:48.03 | zolk3ri | themill: they are two different versions, and I don't even need the old one (/usr/bin/) |
| 16:48.11 | themill | so don't install it |
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| 16:48.14 | zolk3ri | I just need it to compile the new one. :) |
| 16:48.24 | themill | !xy problem |
| 16:48.24 | dpkg | People often falsely diagnose problems because they are looking too closely at a problem: they have got stuck at a particular point (Y) doing something (X) and so ask about step Y, not realising that there is an easier or better way to do X in the first place. See http://mywiki.wooledge.org/XyProblem |
| 16:48.38 | themill | zolk3ri: can we take a step back and have you ask your real question... |
| 16:48.53 | zolk3ri | there is no question |
| 16:49.05 | babilen | zolk3ri: Which version of sbcl do you /need/ ? Which version of Debian do you use? |
| 16:49.40 | babilen | well, I know that you are using squeeze, so ... what's the deal with sbcl? |
| 16:49.43 | babilen | judd: v sbcl |
| 16:49.44 | judd | Package: sbcl on i386 -- lenny: 1:1.0.18.0-2; squeeze: 1:1.0.40.0-3; sid: 2:1.0.57.0-2; wheezy: 2:1.0.57.0-2; experimental: 2:1.1.3-1 |
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| 16:49.51 | zolk3ri | apt-get installs SBCL 1.0.40.0 and I need SBCL 1.1.3 ... but I need SBCL to compile the 1.1.3 one. |
| 16:49.56 | themill | zolk3ri: It sounds like your question is "Hi! I'm using debian version ____ and would like a newer version of the sblc package. Is there a nice way of getting version ___?" |
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| 16:50.04 | zolk3ri | themill: lol nope |
| 16:50.09 | themill | really. |
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| 16:50.32 | themill | zolk3ri: so what is your actual question then? |
| 16:50.57 | zolk3ri | There is no question, as I've told you before. |
| 16:51.10 | zolk3ri | Or wait, how do I remove a package completely? |
| 16:51.13 | zolk3ri | All the files, etc. |
| 16:51.13 | themill | it's your box. have fun. |
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| 16:52.03 | babilen | zolk3ri: Simply don't install the sbcl package if you don't want it. Read "man apt-get" to read about how to use apt-get (in particular remove and purge) ... I would also recommend to start using stow (/msg dpkg stow, /msg dpkg stow usage) to keep /usr/local clean |
| 16:52.44 | shal3r | babilen, did i get it right - am i going to need to do upgrade from squeeze to wheezy soon? |
| 16:53.07 | zolk3ri | babilen: I need it in order to compile the newest one. |
| 16:53.33 | babilen | zolk3ri: But I would recommend to do things "The Debian way" as it eases a lot of things in the long run. My recommendation to upgrade to wheezy still stands and backporting sbcl from sid is not hard. |
| 16:54.19 | BadCodSmell | http://wiki.debian.org/BuildingCrossCompilers is not good, how do I compile i386 on amd64 debian? |
| 16:54.22 | themill | zolk3ri: backporting the package gets around that problem quite happily too |
| 16:54.32 | babilen | zolk3ri: But if you want to install it manually to /usr/local -> have fun, I am not stopping you. (I haven't stopped you from using the nvidia installer, even though I am convinced that it is a bad idea and I am not stopping you now ... your box your rules your work ...) |
| 16:54.37 | BadCodSmell | come on guys this shouldf be an easy question |
| 16:54.56 | babilen | shal3r: I expect wheezy to be released soon (2-5 months, rather earlier) |
| 16:55.08 | vt0r | If it were so easy, I doubt you'd be here asking about it, BadCodSmell. Have you tried Google? |
| 16:55.37 | BadCodSmell | http://wiki.debian.org/DebianAMD64Faq |
| 16:55.39 | BadCodSmell | google gives me this |
| 16:55.47 | vt0r | Google only gives one result? |
| 16:55.50 | BadCodSmell | this doesn't tell me anything useful |
| 16:56.16 | BadCodSmell | There's no straight/authoritive answer |
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| 16:56.42 | vt0r | I see a blog entry that looks correct: |
| 16:56.43 | vt0r | http://blog.mortis.eu/blog/2010/03/building-a-x86-cross-compiler-on-a-x86-64-debian-based-system.html |
| 16:56.49 | vt0r | One of the first results |
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| 16:58.34 | BadCodSmell | If I have to build a cross compiler just to compile 32bit on 64bit x86 then debian just sucks |
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| 16:58.47 | BadCodSmell | multilib might be it |
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| 16:59.25 | engla | wheezy does not suck |
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| 16:59.34 | engla | by that definitioni |
| 17:00.01 | themill | BadCodSmell: are you trying to compile debian packages? or trying to compile random source tarballs? |
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| 17:04.36 | shal3r | babilen, thanks. i will try to copy live system to local virtual machine, test upgrade to wheezy and then upgrade live system if everything goes fine |
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| 17:07.52 | babilen | shal3r: That sounds like a plan. Please refer to http://www.debian.org/releases/wheezy/amd64/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html and make sure to have backups (actually, read the whole thing) |
| 17:08.26 | shal3r | babilen, thanks |
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| 17:09.07 | babilen | shal3r: Note that wheezy (as well as the release notes) are still WiP :) |
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| 17:11.15 | shal3r | babilen, of course, that's why i will make a copy of whole system and test upgrading on virtual environment. And it may be better to upgrade system with 20 clients today before we move at least 100 more clients by next two months |
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| 17:14.49 | babilen | shal3r: Some of the bugs that prevent wheezy from being released are specific to the squeeze→wheezy upgrade path and cause "immediate configuration" errors. (cf. google for "site:bugs.debian.org "immediate configuration") -- these are a bit tricky to fix, but you could try the procedure in "/msg dpkg immediate configuration" if you run into that |
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| 17:15.56 | shal3r | babilen, thanks, you are a great help |
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| 17:17.54 | babilen | shal3r: Good luck and see you later. |
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| 17:35.56 | f8l | fragy: Burned a USB? |
| 17:36.10 | fragy | f81, iso to USB |
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| 17:38.21 | f8l | fragy: It's f8l, not f81… Anyway, it doesn't look like a question to #debian. I'd ask creators of the image. |
| 17:38.47 | fragy | f8l: yeah, probably.. |
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| 18:16.48 | invariant | Is there any way to start a process such that is not listed in ps other than modifying the kernel? |
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| 18:17.32 | lf94 | Hey, I've dd'd a minimal cd to a usb drive and I'm trying a net install via that but then this happens: "There was a problem reading data from the CD-ROM." ... "you should check the integrity of your CD-ROM" |
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| 18:17.50 | lf94 | I downloaded this iso via the official bittorrent |
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| 18:18.07 | pzn | I need to setup an ldap authentication server with just one user (not the system users) (for testing purposes). using debian stable. can anyone point me to some reference? |
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| 18:18.27 | themill | invariant: why on earth would you want that? Next you'll want to create files that aren't visible to ls too. |
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| 18:20.14 | Jizzday | The Best jerkoffs at JizzDay.com |
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| 18:26.58 | invariant | themill, some ill-designed programs take arguments that shouldn't be seen by other users. |
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| 18:28.00 | invariant | themill, I think it's not at all such an odd feature. I don't see why anyone, except perhaps root has any business with my processes. |
| 18:28.32 | themill | so there are cgroups and virtual machines that can do this. Or fix the programs that pass arguments like that. |
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| 18:29.35 | invariant | themill, so, if I don't want the users to have to wait for 10 seconds, it should be cgroups. |
| 18:30.04 | themill | or fix your scripts |
| 18:30.27 | invariant | themill, there is nothing to fix, other than modifying binary code. |
| 18:30.44 | themill | if there's "nothing to fix" then there's no problem here... |
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| 18:30.46 | invariant | themill, if I had written it, it wouldn't have had this problem. |
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| 18:35.29 | rokr1 | Hi all |
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| 18:43.04 | ZeroBeholder | Brace yourselves, I may be spouting horrible lies immenently about Wheezy and SELinux. |
| 18:43.17 | methusalem | i got some issues starting mdraid |
| 18:43.20 | ZeroBeholder | I hear rumors that there is a problem with check-selinux-installation and that this error is bogus: /etc/pam.d/login is not SELinux enabled |
| 18:43.39 | ZeroBeholder | Otherwise my installation checks out and I only have a few little niggles (which I feel confident in saying will soon not be there after editing contexts) being logged in permissive mode. |
| 18:44.21 | ZeroBeholder | This is an attempt at a second opinion and a repost from the #debian-next channel-- which is very quiet at the moment. |
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| 18:53.44 | methusalem | i got some issues starting mdraid, it doesnt assemble something about a superblock http://pastebin.com/622qJD2X |
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| 18:55.01 | karika200 | hi |
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| 18:55.49 | karika200 | I set a static IP while installing Debian. Now, my system doesn't want to get IP via DHCP, it uses the static IP what I gave while installing |
| 18:55.54 | karika200 | it isn't in interfaces |
| 18:56.03 | karika200 | but then where is it set? |
| 18:56.08 | karika200 | how can I delete? |
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| 18:57.10 | zykotick9 | karika200: netinst uses /etc/networks/interfaces... just saying. |
| 18:58.07 | ZeroBeholder | karika200: !dhcp |
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| 18:58.18 | karika200 | strange |
| 18:58.20 | ZeroBeholder | 0B botfail for me... |
| 18:59.16 | ZeroBeholder | Sometimes these channels have standard information people ask about a lot. It appears that I do not know how to use it properly in this channel... |
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| 19:00.11 | ZeroBeholder | I am going to google with these key words 'debian squeeze dhcp'. |
| 19:00.22 | ZeroBeholder | debhelper: dhcp |
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| 19:00.47 | ZeroBeholder | botfail #2, off to the google. |
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| 19:01.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | ZeroBeholder, human fail, it's the wrong bot |
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| 19:02.20 | _EBK_ | Having sound issues with sites like youtube etc.. I've reinstalled flash and still nothing. All sounds work otherwise. |
| 19:02.20 | berarma | karika200: it should be in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 19:03.20 | cantido | _EBK_: you need to say what said issues are |
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| 19:03.32 | berarma | _EBK_: http://wiki.debian.org/FlashPlayer |
| 19:03.54 | ZeroBeholder | See quote above, "It appears that I do not know how to use it properly in this channel"... |
| 19:04.23 | ompaul | ZeroBeholder: try /msg dpkg dhcp |
| 19:04.35 | ZeroBeholder | karika200: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-networking-3/debian-squeeze-fails-to-get-dhcp-address-on-startup-792992/#post3884748 |
| 19:04.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | _EBK_, look if something else is using the sound device with fuser /dev/dsp /dev/snd/* (as root if there is more than one user) ... look up the PIDs you get (minus the letter) with ps aux |grep number and close the programs |
| 19:05.02 | cardamon | Pfff. I forgot to forward my ssh port to the opened one before I left. |
| 19:05.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | ZeroBeholder, ! is correct, but has to be at the start of line, or you can prepend the line with dpkg |
| 19:05.11 | cardamon | So it's listening on something that's NAT blocked. |
| 19:05.24 | ompaul | cardamon: network fail :-) |
| 19:05.31 | ZeroBeholder | This link should take you to a post in the first google result that shows a very 'stock' dhcp networking setup. |
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| 19:06.23 | cardamon | ompaul: It's not a big loss. The only thing I'm doing at the moment I need that box for is circumventing a campus network port block for the usual IRC ports. |
| 19:06.29 | ZeroBeholder | Karika: This one is for you-- |
| 19:06.35 | cardamon | ompaul: They don't block SSL ports. ^_^ |
| 19:06.35 | ZeroBeholder | !dhcp |
| 19:06.35 | dpkg | The Dynamic Host Configuration Protocol (DHCP) is used to provide configuration information (e.g. IP address, default route, name server addresses) for hosts on IP networks. Ask me about <dhcp client>. DHCP servers packaged for Debian include dnsmasq and isc-dhcp-server. |
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| 19:06.59 | ZeroBeholder | hmmm... not what I was expecting. |
| 19:07.03 | ompaul | ZeroBeholder: which indicates /msg dpkg dhcp client |
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| 19:07.20 | ZeroBeholder | !dhcp client |
| 19:07.21 | dpkg | To set up a DHCP client in Debian 3.0 and later, edit the /etc/network/interfaces file and put "auto eth0" and "iface eth0 inet dhcp" in it. Then do "ifup -a" or reboot. See also <resolv.conf>, <override dns>. |
| 19:07.22 | ompaul | ZeroBeholder: please use /msg when you address the bot |
| 19:07.44 | ZeroBeholder | karika was the one with the dhcp problem. |
| 19:08.28 | ompaul | ZeroBeholder: so hopefully they learned to /msg bot foo ;-) |
| 19:09.02 | ZeroBeholder | karika: replace eth0 with whatever your interface was named. If it is wireless it may be wlan0. |
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| 19:09.38 | ompaul | !tell karika200 about wireless |
| 19:09.39 | ZeroBeholder | karika: sudo ifconfig will help you identify what your interfaces are named. |
| 19:09.44 | ompaul | that's a different animal |
| 19:09.46 | Yoshi1 | ok new problem my audio drivers apparently dont have access to my headphone jack |
| 19:09.53 | cardamon | ZeroBeholder: Sometimes. Some devices have different names for their interfaces. |
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| 19:10.08 | cardamon | ath0 comes up sometimes for atheros nics. |
| 19:10.15 | Yoshi1 | actually no they have access to one jack but not the other |
| 19:10.16 | _EBK_ | CutMeOwnThroat: Only showing pulseaudio with, ps ax | grep <pid> |
| 19:10.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | pulse! |
| 19:10.31 | ZeroBeholder | Yeah, I had a card that was named after the manufacturer once too. Realtek PCI card... |
| 19:10.41 | Yoshi1 | oh hey a disc world fan |
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| 19:11.04 | cardamon | curses the Oh God of Hangovers |
| 19:11.11 | Yoshi1 | hehe |
| 19:11.26 | Armand | HEY CARDAMON! |
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| 19:14.26 | cardamon | Armand: wat |
| 19:14.35 | Armand | Nothing... |
| 19:14.57 | ompaul | that might not be very #debian question based |
| 19:15.16 | cardamon | Silly partition table on this flash drive always reserved three megabytes. Odd. Fixed now that I wiped out the table. |
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| 19:23.24 | ZeroBeholder | I will try again later for the SELinux question I have. Almost done with my multi-user Wheezy multi-threaded LAMP setup. Documented no less... |
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| 19:24.00 | cantido | multi-threaded?! *gasp* |
| 19:24.44 | jhutchins | ZeroBeholder: You know that anything in linux that is fully doccumented is by definition obsolete? |
| 19:24.59 | ZeroBeholder | Took a few weeks worth of down time, but I am happy with the progress. External CGI using not quite compatible tutorials has been... fun. |
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| 19:25.44 | ZeroBeholder | Sorry, sleepy. FastCGI via fpm. |
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| 19:25.53 | cantido | ZeroBeholder: reading the docs for the thing you're trying to use usually saves more time than trying to follow someone elses tutorial |
| 19:26.22 | peterrooney | canitdo++; |
| 19:26.38 | adh0c | Can anyone advise on awk: I have a list of email addresses, with two on each line separated by a tab. I need to switch that tab for a line break. |
| 19:26.55 | peterrooney | adh0c: sed |
| 19:27.04 | adh0c | Have I confused them? |
| 19:27.56 | ZeroBeholder | I did read the docs. Sometimes I couldn't find the configs that do make things easier-- once you know where they are tucked. The worst was phpmyadmin to avoid giving any shell access outside of SFTP via rssh. |
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| 19:28.57 | ZeroBeholder | There's like a half dozen places the settings are stored and you have to leave the mysql 'root' user in place otherwise you incur the wrath of dbconfig... |
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| 19:29.08 | cantido | ZeroBeholder: What I find happens with tutorials is that they have a bunch of stuff "that just seems to work".. and what happens is you import that "stuff that just works" and you end up with weird issues that are hard to fix |
| 19:29.40 | cantido | ZeroBeholder: um.. why do you need to do anything with the mysql root user to setup phpmyadmin? |
| 19:29.44 | ompaul | adh0c: no, you use sed or "tr" this is TR tr '\t' '\n' <filename |
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| 19:30.13 | ZeroBeholder | I usually remove it in favor of a lesser known privileged user. Just stupid stuff I reflexively do. |
| 19:30.33 | cantido | What do you do when you need the root user? |
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| 19:31.32 | ZeroBeholder | I grant all privileges on *.* to 'lessguessableuser'@'localhost' identified by password with grant option. |
| 19:32.00 | ZeroBeholder | I rarely use the root user, and can't break into the root mysql account if it doesn't exist... |
| 19:32.00 | adh0c | What if there is whitespace before the first address on each line as well? |
| 19:32.29 | cantido | ZeroBeholder: have you removed the root user too? |
| 19:32.48 | ZeroBeholder | I'm not installing SELinux because I am a reasonable person... |
| 19:32.56 | ZeroBeholder | Not yet. But I would. |
| 19:33.08 | cantido | ZeroBeholder: there is a user that debian sets up in mysql that has a lot of permissions too.. |
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| 19:33.28 | ZeroBeholder | I know, I have left the debian-sys-maint user in place. |
| 19:33.31 | adh0c | ompaul: each line is formatted ' email1@we.com email2@we.com' |
| 19:33.45 | nmschulte | Hi folks. I need help fixing my TeX Live installation. I've tried purging texlive and texlive-full and reinstalling, but whenver I run pdflatex, I receive this error from kpathsea: I can't find the format file `pdflatex.fmt'! |
| 19:33.45 | ZeroBeholder | As I learn more about what that user really needs, I will pare back the permissions. |
| 19:33.51 | adh0c | ompaul: I just need one address per line. |
| 19:34.06 | ompaul | adh0c: does it have the ' |
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| 19:34.28 | adh0c | ompaul: no apostrophes. |
| 19:34.55 | cantido | thinks ZeroBeholder is heading towards a broken system |
| 19:35.48 | ZeroBeholder | I need to clean up the apache directives as well, but now that I have all the big pieces in place-- I can start getting to those. Serves pages, and each web user only has access to their own webroots... |
| 19:36.11 | adh0c | ompaul: they're just noting that there is whitespace before the first address, and a tab break before the second. |
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| 19:36.26 | ZeroBeholder | I would be afraid of a distribution upgrade going forward, so you are correct in that sense. |
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| 19:38.14 | cantido | ZeroBeholder: single machine, no backups right? |
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| 19:38.58 | ompaul | adh0c: well here's a clue sed 's/^[ ]*//' more clues | and more tr |
| 19:39.11 | ZeroBeholder | The one thing that eats at me is that I know my users can crash my system. I have not put into place any threshholds to prevent that. One thing at a time. Security first. Wheezy dev box only at the moment, several VMs and a VPS while I work on it. |
| 19:40.01 | cantido | is being dos'ed by apt-get :/ |
| 19:40.07 | ZeroBeholder | For ~$15 a month the VPS service handles full and incremental backups as whole system images. |
| 19:40.33 | adh0c | ompaul: I got it. Thanks ;-) |
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| 19:42.19 | ZeroBeholder | I do mysql dumps of my own stuff on cron scripts so I can sleep at night. If I needed, I would spin up a VPS backup image to dig out files. |
| 19:42.37 | ZeroBeholder | I don't do anything that really needs the horsepower of AWS or S3... |
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| 19:43.55 | cantido | Is it possible to have both ipv4 and ipv6 addresses for a host in /etc/hosts? |
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| 19:49.14 | Towzzer | cantido, for the same host? |
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| 19:49.41 | Arrowmaster | cantido: should just be two entries for the same host but with different ips, thats how the default is done with localhost |
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| 19:50.21 | cantido | Arrowmaster: I have ip6-localhost in my /etc/hosts.. that's why I was wondering |
| 19:50.48 | cantido | I have a dual stack setup so all of my machines have v4 and v6 addresses |
| 19:50.50 | Arrowmaster | mines '::1 localhost ip6-localhost ip6-loopback' |
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| 19:51.37 | cantido | Is that by default? |
| 19:51.56 | Arrowmaster | yes |
| 19:51.59 | cantido | checks other machines |
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| 19:53.30 | cantido | ok, this machine doesn't have localhost in the ::1 line, another does. Must be an older install |
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| 19:55.44 | danols_work | hi does debian not have mod_log_config included with apache ? |
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| 19:57.35 | danols_work | oh it's version 2.4 only |
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| 20:34.46 | ZeroBeholder | Am very sad 2.4 won't be in Wheezy by default (I know, if I reeeaaallly want it I can add it from source). |
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| 20:36.20 | ZeroBeholder | That being said, if you installed from the official apache2 package on Squeeze, you are using Apache 2.2. |
| 20:37.32 | Towzzer | nginx! |
| 20:38.47 | ZeroBeholder | Which is awesome, if you never have need for .htaccess files-- and a few other features. nginx is great for most things. But, if you have the weirdness... Apache all the way. |
| 20:39.16 | Towzzer | i know, I heard 2.4 is good as well |
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| 20:40.25 | ZeroBeholder | good thing thumbs hates Debian, he would glare at me for saying Apache instead of httpd -- which is the specific name of one of the more popular apache web server projects... |
| 20:40.42 | Towzzer | and also what an http daemon would be called |
| 20:40.45 | Towzzer | so meh |
| 20:40.53 | ZeroBeholder | Apache is actually the name of the foundation. |
| 20:41.36 | Towzzer | they called "the apache webserver" |
| 20:41.40 | Towzzer | called it |
| 20:41.49 | Towzzer | sorry "Apache HTTP Server" |
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| 20:42.32 | ZeroBeholder | Have to pee and eat, take care all. |
| 20:42.34 | Innocentus | I am looking for a deployment tool |
| 20:42.51 | Innocentus | release is build from git and then it should be deployed to production server |
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| 20:44.09 | ZeroBeholder | If you don't mind me asking, what is wrong with a git push/pull with a localization script? |
| 20:44.56 | ZeroBeholder | Dump the files, then change what should be a text config with a script filled with sed statements... |
| 20:45.23 | ZeroBeholder | Start your deployed application... |
| 20:47.31 | ZeroBeholder | If you want to get fancy, you could put the new stuff in a side by side directory, run the localization script, then rm/rename for an almost instant appearance of your app in place of the old files, and restart your app if necessary. |
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| 20:48.07 | ZeroBeholder | Most of my apps have an associated database if not several that may need updated tables. |
| 20:48.27 | ZeroBeholder | Your mileage may vary, good luck. |
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| 20:57.15 | axx_ | after three failed attempts, I drop to the initramfs prompt, and whatever I try to type in there gets peppered with ^ and ¨ and such, basically "I can't type good" at the initramfs prompt |
| 20:57.50 | axx_ | what know? I'm booted to another disk from where I've been able to unlock my usual root fs.. should I attempt to chroot into it to update the initramfs? |
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| 21:09.59 | anigma | doesn't apache2-ssl-certificate work anymore on debian based systems? |
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| 21:14.11 | hoffie | hi |
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| 21:15.03 | hoffie | i'm having troubles with the bug tracking system -- i was attempting to reply to http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=692808 by sending a mail to 692808@bugs.debian.org -- i did that yesterday and thought it would show up in the bug, but it doesn't. what did I do wrong? |
| 21:16.28 | Arrowmaster | that should have worked, how did you send the email? |
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| 21:17.49 | hoffie | Arrowmaster: not sure how to reply to that question... i've sent it through thunderbird, not adding any special tags or anything, having set the subject to the bug's title |
| 21:17.59 | hoffie | i've even subscribed to the bug before doing that |
| 21:18.08 | hoffie | do I have to do anything else? like registering somehow? |
| 21:18.15 | Arrowmaster | make sure you are sending it as a plain text message and not has an html message |
| 21:19.01 | hoffie | yes, it was plain-text |
| 21:19.05 | babilen | hoffie: No, that is all that is necessary. It /might/ have been filtered as spam though (the BTS receives a lot of spam as you might imagine, but it is typically quite good at recognising it correctly) |
| 21:19.18 | hoffie | umm, it was pgp-signed, maybe that was the problem? |
| 21:19.30 | hoffie | but I suspect that multiple people on the bts send signed mail? |
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| 21:20.02 | babilen | hoffie: Could you paste the mail with headers to http://paste.debian.net please? I can think of two things to do now: Get someone who has access to the mailservers to check what happened to your mail or to send it again |
| 21:20.26 | babilen | hoffie: I sign all my mail and /that/ shouldn't be a problem (at all) |
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| 21:22.41 | vong_ | within the run dialogue (gmrun), why can't I run commands such as "sleep 1m && COMMAND" ? |
| 21:22.52 | hoffie | babilen: http://paste.debian.net/225446/ so it contained an attachment, but as i understand, this should be supported? |
| 21:23.11 | dondelelcaro | vong_: because that requires a shell. |
| 21:23.21 | dondelelcaro | vong_: presumably, you actually want sh -c 'sleep 1m; && command' |
| 21:23.43 | tremon | without the ; though |
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| 21:23.50 | dondelelcaro | (some things recognize that you actually wanted to use a shell and execute one for you, but it's quite likely that gmrun doesn't) |
| 21:23.53 | dondelelcaro | right. |
| 21:24.10 | dondelelcaro | though in this case, sh -c 'sleep 1m; comand' is probably what you really want anyway |
| 21:24.24 | vong_ | dondelelcaro, tremon: doesn't that run the command within a subshell? |
| 21:24.30 | dondelelcaro | vong_: yes. |
| 21:24.32 | babilen | hoffie: That mail looks fine -- as I said: somebody (dondelelcaro for example) could check what happened to your mail when it was received by the BTS. It might just have been filtered as spam. |
| 21:24.42 | dondelelcaro | vong_: it has to, otherwise && has no meaning. |
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| 21:25.22 | dondelelcaro | hoffie: if your mail isn't making it through to the BTS, please send mail to owner@bugs.debian.org with as much information as possible |
| 21:25.40 | dondelelcaro | hoffie: I need to know the message-id, and ideally all of the outgoing logs from your server talking to the BTS. |
| 21:25.53 | vong_ | dondelelcaro: is there any thing to obey when running GUI applications within a subshell? |
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| 21:26.04 | dondelelcaro | vong_: not really |
| 21:26.10 | Arrowmaster | dondelelcaro: message-id is in his paste |
| 21:26.11 | hoffie | Arrowmaster, babilen, dondelelcaro: ok, thanks for your help, appreciate that! gonna send a mail to owner@ then |
| 21:26.15 | babilen | dondelelcaro: The message is at: http://paste.debian.net/225446/ |
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| 21:26.47 | vong_ | dondelelcaro: then it's nice. Thanks |
| 21:27.24 | hoffie | according to my mail server the mail has been delivered correctly (after being greylisted; it says "... sent (250 OK id=1TvF1p-00086e-FN)..." but I can provide the full excerpt if necessary) |
| 21:29.13 | babilen | please do |
| 21:29.23 | dondelelcaro | hoffie: your message is from mail@yadayada, which matches FROM_DAEMON |
| 21:29.40 | dondelelcaro | hoffie: because of the backscatter problem, we basically don't accept mail which matches that |
| 21:30.35 | hoffie | umm, I didn't even know this was some kind of standard / best practice (not using mail@) |
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| 21:30.54 | hoffie | I guess it should make it through if I sent from christian@hoffie.info? then i'll probably do just that...? |
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| 21:31.26 | dondelelcaro | hoffie: yeah, it'll make it through in that case |
| 21:31.52 | dondelelcaro | hoffie: it's not really a best practice; we just do it because it's an automated system and we've had too many problems with broken remailers in the past |
| 21:33.23 | dondelelcaro | (lists.debian.org also doesn't accept mail from that) |
| 21:35.16 | hoffie | dondelelcaro: hrm, wouldn't it be possible to reject such mail with a helpful error message in such cases? |
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| 21:36.48 | dondelelcaro | hoffie: it would be possible, yes. |
| 21:36.58 | dondelelcaro | (but it's not all that high on the priority list) |
| 21:37.04 | hoffie | heh, ok |
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| 21:37.25 | hoffie | so i've resent my mail using another address, currently i'm in the greylisting and hoping to get through |
| 21:37.28 | hoffie | so thanks again for your time! |
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| 21:39.07 | dondelelcaro | hoffie: no problem; thnaks for asking about that and mailing the BTS. |
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| 21:45.52 | hoffie | ok, my mail shows up in the bts now |
| 21:45.57 | hoffie | thanks & have a nice evening :) |
| 21:45.58 | hoffie | goodbye |
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| 21:46.51 | dondelelcaro | hoffie: no problem; you too. |
| 21:47.32 | hoffie | thanks :) |
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| 21:55.02 | Bsims | how much can one update on a persistant live debian usb? |
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| 22:08.36 | p3rror | hello |
| 22:08.41 | p3rror | i have a debian machine |
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| 22:08.56 | p3rror | when i activate the wired connection i have no wireless |
| 22:09.04 | p3rror | please can you explain to me why ? |
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| 22:19.03 | vong_ | p3rror: sorry, but your question is vague. If you are new to Debian, I recommend you to read documentation: debian-reference and debian-handbook (both in the standard repositories) are good lecture for starters |
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| 22:29.52 | rozz | Is there a Wine channel? |
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| 22:30.34 | mtn | rozz, I'll bet google knows |
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| 22:31.04 | rozz | mtn: Thanks. |
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| 22:45.53 | plotino | hello |
| 22:46.06 | plotino | i have a question for debian people |
| 22:46.17 | plotino | now i have installed squeeze |
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| 22:46.22 | plotino | very stable of course |
| 22:46.23 | plotino | but |
| 22:46.47 | plotino | i have probelm with a program, Kicad, that i need at latest version |
| 22:47.18 | plotino | i have tried to add updates and backreports repositories but there is no candidates to update kicate to latest |
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| 22:47.40 | plotino | ho wcan i do that without compromising the actual installation of squueze? |
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| 22:50.04 | babilen | judd: v kicad |
| 22:50.05 | judd | Package: kicad on i386 -- lenny: 0.0.20071129a-1; squeeze: 0.0.20100314-1; sid: 0.20120526+bzr3261-1; wheezy: 0.20120526+bzr3261-1 |
| 22:50.16 | babilen | judd: checkbackport kicad |
| 22:50.17 | judd | Backporting package kicad in sid→squeeze/i386: all build-dependencies satisfied using squeeze. |
| 22:50.24 | babilen | dpkg: tell plotino -about ssb |
| 22:51.15 | babilen | plotino: Please follow the instructions the bot just /msg'ed you to create a package of kicad that you can install on squeeze. An alternative would be to upgrade/install wheezy (/msg dpkg squeeze->wheezy) |
| 22:51.33 | b0ss_ | let's be honest: Open Office is more compatible with MS Office than Libre Office, right ?? |
| 22:51.51 | Arrowmaster | why would you think that |
| 22:52.19 | b0ss_ | well, many references around the web have been saying so |
| 22:52.25 | b0ss_ | don't you think the same ? |
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| 22:52.30 | Arrowmaster | no |
| 22:52.40 | b0ss_ | which one do you use ? |
| 22:52.44 | Arrowmaster | Libre |
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| 22:56.50 | plotino | sorry babilen |
| 22:57.00 | plotino | how to use the bot? |
| 22:58.07 | babilen | plotino: You can "/msg dpkg foo" to ask it about <foo> -- I would start with "/msg dpkg dpkgbot" and read the documentation linked therein |
| 22:58.34 | b0ss_ | Arrowmaster: so do you think it's the opposite ? |
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| 22:59.16 | plotino | babilen, thnx |
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| 23:00.59 | plotino | the comand /msg does not produce any effect |
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| 23:02.23 | hellyeah | it does |
| 23:02.27 | hellyeah | ./msg dpkg squeeze |
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| 23:02.39 | hellyeah | queeze is the codename for the current <stable> release, Debian 6.0, released on 2011-02-06: http://www.debian.org/News/2011/20110205a . Squeeze is the three-eyed space alien. See http://wiki.debian.org/DebianSqueeze and ask me about <install squeeze> <release notes> <lenny->squeeze>. Currently <6.0.6>. The Debian release is not to be confused with the <Xfce> archive manager. |
| 23:02.45 | plotino | ./msg dpkg squeeze |
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| 23:03.20 | plotino | mm |
| 23:03.31 | plotino | sorry im a newbie |
| 23:03.33 | plotino | in irc |
| 23:03.51 | plotino | which the precise sequence of command to issue |
| 23:04.01 | LtL | plotino: no dots no spaces /msg dpkg squeeze |
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| 23:05.02 | LtL | plotino: depending on your client you will receive a private message in a different window |
| 23:06.11 | plotino | ok |
| 23:06.12 | LtL | plotino: example /msg nickname whatever |
| 23:06.15 | plotino | thank you |
| 23:06.25 | LtL | welcome |
| 23:06.49 | b0ss_ | please a good IRC client for Linux ? |
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| 23:07.24 | {her|bert} | bolt: i like irssi |
| 23:07.30 | LtL | b0ss_: xchat for gui environnment, irssi is good in a terminal. |
| 23:07.35 | Oejet | b0ss_: Pidgin, or xchat, or irssi. |
| 23:07.48 | ex0a | or weechat for gui with mouse support |
| 23:07.51 | ex0a | err |
| 23:07.52 | ex0a | cli* |
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| 23:11.20 | plotino | ok for the recommandation by bot |
| 23:11.31 | plotino | how to resolv all the dependencies?? |
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| 23:13.21 | dgriffi | Can someone help me figure out why my wheezy box just now decided to disable console beeps? |
| 23:13.28 | dgriffi | (in X11) |
| 23:13.30 | LtL | plotino: dependency for what? using aptitude rather than apt-get is good at resolving those but apt-get does as well. |
| 23:13.44 | b0ss_ | IRC for GNOME ? |
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| 23:14.34 | LtL | b0ss_: irc client? you want xchat |
| 23:15.37 | LtL | b0ss_: *not* xchat-gnome. just xchat |
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| 23:16.40 | plotino | i have tried but it seems that fo deb-src kicad has no source package |
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| 23:17.03 | plotino | no packet source for kicad apt says |
| 23:18.00 | LtL | plotino: apt-cache search kicad, why do you want the source |
| 23:18.44 | shingouz | plotino: you do not need the sources for it. looks like kicad-common would be what you are looking for. try apt-cache search kicad |
| 23:18.46 | plotino | because the version in sid is too old |
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| 23:19.18 | b0ss_ | I download firefox.tar.bz2 but I don't know how and where to install it |
| 23:19.41 | plotino | apt-cache source list all packet related to kicad |
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| 23:20.34 | LtL | plotino: compiling a newer version is begging for dependency issues but you can try. |
| 23:20.35 | shingouz | plotino: when you do that search, you will get the sources. what you most probably want would be the ready made binaries |
| 23:21.29 | plotino | i have tried the repositories for updates and backports bu kicad has no candidate sto be installed |
| 23:21.52 | LtL | b0ss_: to extract, tar -xvjf file.tar.bz2 then cd into the new directory and read the README and install files |
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| 23:22.03 | plotino | i need the version of kicad that is in testing or unstable |
| 23:22.05 | shingouz | b0ss_: if you do not have versionitis, just aptitude install iceweasel and you should be good to go |
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| 23:23.07 | plotino | ok |
| 23:23.09 | plotino | good night |
| 23:23.21 | LtL | b0ss_: installing firefox instead of iceweasel will not be painless but it's doable. |
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| 23:29.31 | MrFrood | doable but pointless |
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| 23:30.09 | LtL | nods |
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| 23:37.58 | DerZauberer | hey ppl |
| 23:38.26 | DerZauberer | I'm trying to mount a partition that is sw raid and lvm from a debian lenny rescue system |
| 23:38.40 | DerZauberer | but the lv isn't found |
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| 23:39.03 | DerZauberer | the raid is existing, but resyncing |
| 23:39.14 | ksk | why lenny? what does "not found" mean? there should be lvm files laying around for you to mount |
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| 23:39.42 | DerZauberer | it's a rescue system from my server housing company |
| 23:39.49 | ksk | like /dev/mapper/foo |
| 23:40.01 | DerZauberer | yes, but there is nothing in /dev/mapper/ |
| 23:40.04 | DerZauberer | only control |
| 23:40.16 | DerZauberer | but the raid is there :/ |
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| 23:40.41 | DerZauberer | and pvscan doesn't find hardware volumes that are fitting |
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| 23:43.11 | Arrowmaster | DerZauberer: you know you have to run vgimport to activate an lvm on a new system right |
| 23:43.21 | DerZauberer | oh, nope |
| 23:44.37 | DerZauberer | vgimport -a doesn't have any effect |
| 23:44.54 | ksk | do you have "cat /proc/misc | grep device-mapper"? |
| 23:44.55 | Arrowmaster | try vgimport VGNAME |
| 23:45.20 | DerZauberer | yes, 236 device-mapper |
| 23:45.54 | DerZauberer | volume group not found... |
| 23:46.16 | ksk | do you see the volume containing the lvs? |
| 23:46.21 | ksk | with fdisk -l or something? |
| 23:46.32 | Arrowmaster | this is where my experience ends then |
| 23:46.58 | DerZauberer | Disk /dev/md1 doesn't contain a valid partition table |
| 23:47.04 | DerZauberer | okay, that's probably not good |
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| 23:47.49 | ksk | thats okay |
| 23:47.57 | ksk | pls paste your fdisk -l output |
| 23:47.58 | DerZauberer | k |
| 23:48.08 | ksk | there should be sth like "linux lvm" |
| 23:48.20 | ksk | (use nopaste) |
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| 23:48.58 | DerZauberer | I think the mdadm tool messed up my raid. |
| 23:49.31 | DerZauberer | http://pastebin.com/84AGqsbb |
| 23:49.46 | ksk | its pretty more you messed it up, linux software raid is said to be very stable :P |
| 23:49.51 | alberto | Hi, where I can suggest for to put the Native Brazilian Dvorak in choosing the keyboard in Boot installation? This is layout dvorak brazilain http://img547.imageshack.us/img547/361/nativobr.jpg |
| 23:50.24 | ksk | DerZauberer: can you give the whole output? :> |
| 23:50.42 | DerZauberer | that's the whole one |
| 23:50.51 | DerZauberer | http://pastebin.com/KnA1HayJ |
| 23:51.01 | DerZauberer | these one are for the hdd's itself |
| 23:51.14 | DerZauberer | but I didn't change anything on my partitioning |
| 23:52.02 | xsappyx | DerZauberer: what does 'cat /proc/mdstat' show? sry if i missed that already |
| 23:52.06 | DerZauberer | I changed just sth in my firewallsettings from the node. and then I had to reboot for resetting the iptable rules I messed up. after that, the system didn't come up again |
| 23:53.00 | ksk | what does dmsetup -ls say? |
| 23:53.02 | DerZauberer | http://pastebin.com/E7ra24b5 |
| 23:53.29 | DerZauberer | invalid option l |
| 23:53.54 | ksk | -ls |
| 23:54.10 | DerZauberer | that's what I typed in |
| 23:54.27 | ksk | thats not a "one" |
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| 23:54.50 | DerZauberer | yes, I copied it |
| 23:55.13 | homecable | will testing wheezy turn to stable when it rels ? |
| 23:55.20 | xsappyx | DerZauberer: dmsetup status maybe then? |
| 23:55.35 | DerZauberer | No devices found |
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