| 00:00.12 | OmnipotentEntity | I have a box that isn't going on and offline when I issue /etc/init.d/networking start and stop, the script is just hanging, anyone know how to start troubleshooting it? |
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| 00:02.52 | DerZauberer | any idea how I can try to rescue the datas? |
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| 00:05.51 | OmnipotentEntity | DerZauberer, what was your question? I came in too late |
| 00:05.57 | OmnipotentEntity | but I used to work for a data recovery company |
| 00:06.29 | xsappyx | DerZauberer: this is on a rescue boot, ya? is lvm even installed yet? |
| 00:06.57 | DerZauberer | lvm binary is available |
| 00:07.01 | DerZauberer | so I think so |
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| 00:07.38 | ksk | aptitude show lvm2 or similar (dpkg -l |grep lv2m, apt-cache show lvm2) |
| 00:07.59 | DerZauberer | is installed |
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| 00:09.25 | DerZauberer | I've got a software raid with a lvm group on a partition OmnipotentEntity. I'm now in a rescue system provided by my housing company, but the lvm group isn't found |
| 00:10.05 | OmnipotentEntity | so when you do a pvscan it doesn't find anything? |
| 00:10.11 | DerZauberer | yes |
| 00:10.17 | DerZauberer | nothing |
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| 00:12.03 | OmnipotentEntity | ok, do you have any reason to believe that the first few sectors of the partitions with the LVM data would have been overwritten? |
| 00:12.10 | OmnipotentEntity | and what does fdisk -l output? |
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| 00:12.38 | alberto | Hi, where I can suggest for to put the Native Brazilian Dvorak in choosing the keyboard in Boot installation? This is layout dvorak brazilain http://img547.imageshack.us/img547/361/nativobr.jpg |
| 00:12.39 | alberto | anyone? |
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| 00:14.03 | DerZauberer | md1: http://pastebin.com/84AGqsbb harddrives: http://pastebin.com/KnA1HayJ |
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| 00:14.49 | OmnipotentEntity | DerZauberer, your md1 is composed of /dev/sdb2 and /dev/sda2? |
| 00:14.55 | DerZauberer | yes |
| 00:15.01 | zykotick9 | does anyone have a suggestion for email notification in terminal [for an IMAP server (not gmail)] perhaps like biff? |
| 00:15.08 | OmnipotentEntity | is this from a NAS? or is this an actual setup? |
| 00:15.21 | DerZauberer | actual setup |
| 00:15.22 | OmnipotentEntity | this looks like some Seagate NASes I see from time to time |
| 00:15.23 | OmnipotentEntity | ok |
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| 00:16.04 | DerZauberer | normal sata hdd's |
| 00:16.13 | OmnipotentEntity | sudo pvscan /dev/md1 doesn't find anything |
| 00:16.14 | OmnipotentEntity | ? |
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| 00:16.34 | xsappyx | OmnipotentEntity: DerZauberer has a pair of raid1's on disk, then LVM on top.. he is booted from a rescue disk and the raid1's are rebuilding but no lvm bits are being found |
| 00:16.45 | DerZauberer | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:16.52 | OmnipotentEntity | if it doesn't, then you might be able to get away, especially if it's a single volume, with hunting down the sticky innerbits, |
| 00:16.59 | OmnipotentEntity | what's your FS under the LVM? |
| 00:17.13 | DerZauberer | ext4 |
| 00:17.15 | OmnipotentEntity | you might be able to find it using testdisk |
| 00:18.06 | DerZauberer | okay, I will try that. hopefully it will work :) |
| 00:18.11 | OmnipotentEntity | if you can't find it, |
| 00:18.18 | OmnipotentEntity | using testdisk |
| 00:18.22 | OmnipotentEntity | then you have another option |
| 00:18.27 | OmnipotentEntity | let me know |
| 00:18.32 | OmnipotentEntity | I'm going to go AFK for about 10 minutes |
| 00:18.39 | DerZauberer | lol |
| 00:18.45 | DerZauberer | it's finding a lvm partition |
| 00:18.50 | DerZauberer | and says that it's ok |
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| 00:32.32 | DerZauberer | Outputs of testdisk: http://pastebin.com/v9MMtSY2 |
| 00:32.57 | flock-_ | Hello. I just installed on my VPS the Debian 6.00, then installed other version of the kernel with aptitude, but it didn't change after the reboot. I can't find either LILO or GRUB. Where should I look for, to change? |
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| 00:34.07 | Arrowmaster | flock-_: whats the output of uname -a |
| 00:34.15 | themill | flock-_: not all vps setups let you kernel at all |
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| 00:35.23 | DerZauberer | if it is openvz, then you can't use your own kernel flock-_ |
| 00:35.32 | flock-_ | Well its openvz |
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| 00:35.46 | Arrowmaster | then no kernel for you |
| 00:35.49 | flock-_ | :p |
| 00:35.50 | DerZauberer | then you can't boot an own kernel. your vps is using the kernel from the node |
| 00:35.59 | flock-_ | ok, thank you. |
| 00:36.09 | DerZauberer | next time better look for kvm :) |
| 00:36.22 | DerZauberer | with a kvm vm you can use your own kernel |
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| 00:37.00 | trist4n | subtext: vz is shit |
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| 00:37.26 | DerZauberer | depends on your needs trist4n |
| 00:37.42 | trist4n | i actually really like the idea when im the one running the node |
| 00:37.51 | trist4n | but its such a pita to buy vz that isnt oversubsribed |
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| 00:41.20 | DerZauberer | I changed to kvm because of the kernel binding of openvz |
| 00:41.38 | trist4n | i am using kvm right now,but i get sort of poopy network i/o |
| 00:42.15 | frostschutz | trist4n: virtio? |
| 00:42.20 | trist4n | yis |
| 00:42.32 | trist4n | and i checked! virtio is being used/detected on both ends. |
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| 00:53.48 | OmnipotentEntity | back |
| 00:53.49 | OmnipotentEntity | ok so |
| 00:53.56 | OmnipotentEntity | DerZauberer, is this a deep scan? |
| 00:54.05 | OmnipotentEntity | or default? |
| 00:54.17 | DerZauberer | default |
| 00:54.22 | OmnipotentEntity | do a deeper scan |
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| 00:54.27 | DerZauberer | okay |
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| 00:55.08 | DerZauberer | on the disks or on md1? |
| 00:55.22 | OmnipotentEntity | md1 |
| 00:55.26 | OmnipotentEntity | or the disks |
| 00:55.27 | OmnipotentEntity | either way |
| 00:55.32 | OmnipotentEntity | shouldn't matter if it's Raid1 |
| 00:56.11 | OmnipotentEntity | from a data recovery standpoint you ought to get best results if you run it on all three. |
| 00:56.14 | alberto | In submit@bugs.debian.org it is necessary to subscribe? |
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| 00:56.28 | OmnipotentEntity | but... let's just try any one of the three to start with |
| 00:56.31 | DerZauberer | ok this is new |
| 00:56.35 | DerZauberer | TestDisk need 25 lines to work. |
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| 00:56.51 | DerZauberer | when I type testdisk /dev/md1 |
| 00:57.15 | OmnipotentEntity | eh, then issue this command instead: |
| 00:58.01 | alberto | In submit@bugs.debian.org it is necessary to subscribe? |
| 00:58.20 | OmnipotentEntity | sudo hexdump -C /dev/sda2 | grep ' 53 ef' | head -3 |
| 00:58.50 | alberto | i send bug, but not see in list |
| 00:59.12 | OmnipotentEntity | alberto, sorry I do not know, but I do see you there. |
| 00:59.45 | OmnipotentEntity | as in |
| 00:59.49 | OmnipotentEntity | here in the channel |
| 00:59.51 | OmnipotentEntity | not in the list |
| 00:59.56 | OmnipotentEntity | the list might not be updated already? |
| 00:59.59 | OmnipotentEntity | I do not know |
| 01:00.03 | alberto | ok |
| 01:01.17 | OmnipotentEntity | DerZauberer, that command finds the ext partition magic number, if we know where that is, we can subtract 0x430 from the first field, and then mount the drive loopback |
| 01:01.35 | OmnipotentEntity | hopefully |
| 01:01.43 | OmnipotentEntity | it should come up very quickly |
| 01:01.58 | DerZauberer | there are three rows right now |
| 01:01.59 | OmnipotentEntity | if it doesn't, then the data may have already been overwritten |
| 01:02.02 | OmnipotentEntity | ok |
| 01:02.04 | OmnipotentEntity | what are they? |
| 01:02.43 | DerZauberer | http://pastebin.com/d0bCn2QD |
| 01:03.30 | OmnipotentEntity | none of those look correct |
| 01:03.36 | alberto | Hi, worked http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=698322 see it |
| 01:03.42 | OmnipotentEntity | DerZauberer, your superblock was probably overwritten |
| 01:04.00 | OmnipotentEntity | you have a few options at this point. |
| 01:04.13 | OmnipotentEntity | if you feel like paying money for software UFSExplorer may be able to get your data |
| 01:04.16 | frostschutz | DerZauberer: I didn't catch your entire conversation, you have LVM, does it find the LVs or not? |
| 01:04.19 | OmnipotentEntity | but I cannot promise anything |
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| 01:04.35 | DerZauberer | no it doesn't find the lvm's |
| 01:04.43 | OmnipotentEntity | frostschutz, he has an ext4 partition in an lvm in a mdadm raid1 |
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| 01:05.40 | DerZauberer | lv's I mean |
| 01:05.47 | frostschutz | DerZauberer: but you have PVs? If you have a PV, you can less -f /dev/yourpv, scroll past the binary crap a little, it should have a ascii representation of the LVM layout there starting with 'lvm {' |
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| 01:06.17 | frostschutz | which tells you which of your LVs is located where physically |
| 01:06.18 | OmnipotentEntity | frostschutz, it doesn't find his PVs. |
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| 01:06.35 | OmnipotentEntity | but he would only have one PV, in /dev/md1 |
| 01:06.45 | OmnipotentEntity | if I'm understanding how it's set up correctly |
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| 01:07.11 | DerZauberer | yes, with three lv's |
| 01:07.18 | frostschutz | and once you know how your LV is physically laid out you can map it with device mapper, manually if LVM itself refuses to |
| 01:07.32 | frostschutz | without knowing the physical LV arrangement you can't do **** for your filesystems on those LVs |
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| 01:07.39 | frostschutz | it's not necessarily linear |
| 01:07.58 | OmnipotentEntity | oh |
| 01:08.06 | OmnipotentEntity | I was unaware that he had multiple lvs |
| 01:08.16 | OmnipotentEntity | well... damn |
| 01:08.26 | DerZauberer | but I did before a deeper scan |
| 01:08.33 | DerZauberer | and there were found three blocks |
| 01:08.47 | frostschutz | LVM is great but it's like a filesystem for partitions, you never know where it's located physically |
| 01:09.03 | OmnipotentEntity | DerZauberer, you have your 3 lvs, |
| 01:09.31 | OmnipotentEntity | if you run "file /dev/myvg/lv0" etc what does it give you back? |
| 01:09.34 | enyawix | any idea why the laptop touch pad will work again? |
| 01:10.01 | enyawix | when* |
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| 01:10.37 | DerZauberer | what's hfs in testdisk? |
| 01:11.40 | DerZauberer | /dev/vg_node1 does not exist |
| 01:11.40 | OmnipotentEntity | hfs is going to be a false positive |
| 01:11.48 | DerZauberer | okay |
| 01:11.49 | OmnipotentEntity | it's the mac filesystem |
| 01:12.04 | OmnipotentEntity | I'm going to reboot brb |
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| 01:15.01 | hellyeah | how can i see hidden file on terminal |
| 01:15.09 | frostschutz | hellyeah: ls -a? |
| 01:15.57 | hellyeah | i guess |
| 01:16.21 | DerZauberer | this will end bad if the datas are lost |
| 01:16.37 | frostschutz | DerZauberer: so do you have an intact lvm header or not? |
| 01:17.19 | frostschutz | DerZauberer: what did you do to break it anyway? :) |
| 01:17.27 | DerZauberer | nothing |
| 01:17.32 | DerZauberer | I changed some iptable rules |
| 01:17.47 | DerZauberer | made a mistake and had to reboot to get on my server again |
| 01:17.51 | DerZauberer | but it didn't come up |
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| 01:21.21 | ixquick | hi! what's the prefered way of using websites requiring a flash player in debian? |
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| 01:22.10 | DerZauberer | there is an original flash plugin avaliable from adobe |
| 01:22.42 | ixquick | (search engine just shows something about nonfree packages...) |
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| 01:22.55 | DerZauberer | yes they are nonfree |
| 01:23.02 | ixquick | grumble.... |
| 01:23.09 | ixquick | so said |
| 01:23.22 | DerZauberer | but free flsh players don't work very well. flash is properitary technology |
| 01:23.28 | DerZauberer | but you can try gnash |
| 01:23.37 | ixquick | oh, thx! |
| 01:23.41 | zykotick9 | ixquick: fyi, flashplugin-nonfree is in the contrib repo |
| 01:24.37 | ixquick | so it depends on nonfree software, but is free by itself |
| 01:25.09 | DerZauberer | well it's cost free if you mean that |
| 01:25.38 | zykotick9 | ixquick: the "installer" is free, but relies on out of repo (and non-free) software |
| 01:25.46 | DerZauberer | but it's not open source ;) |
| 01:25.53 | ixquick | okay |
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| 01:26.04 | ixquick | looks like I'll use gnash |
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| 01:26.56 | ixquick | thx, and bye! |
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| 01:28.00 | Cira | Hi, I'm trying to setup Debian in Virtualbox.. I've created two network connections in VBox, one for internet (works fine, I've succesfully installed and used irssi), one host-only connection. |
| 01:28.06 | Cira | I've set up both interfaces in /etc/network/interfaces, but only eth0 is working. Any ideas why? |
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| 01:30.51 | xsappyx | Cira: ifconfig show both interfaces? how do you know it isn't working? what is a host-only connection? |
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| 01:32.40 | Cira | if config shows only eth0 |
| 01:33.08 | DerZauberer | then please pastebin your interfaces file |
| 01:33.10 | Cira | a host-only connection is a virtual network connection between the host PC and the virtual PC I'm running Debian on |
| 01:33.13 | Cira | ok |
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| 01:37.13 | Cira | DerZauberer, xsappyx: nevermind, fixed it while I was pastebinning... One line had ethl instead of eth1 |
| 01:37.31 | Cira | sorry to bother you |
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| 01:38.36 | DerZauberer | no problem |
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| 01:59.38 | Cira | asr33 what's your h/w setup? |
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| 02:01.56 | asr33 | roof antenna, netbook with USB wintv hvr-850, works beautifully |
| 02:03.02 | asr33 | not totally happy with Kaffeine though... |
| 02:04.23 | asr33 | might try something like xine-ui tomorrow |
| 02:04.32 | Cira | I thought that maybe you went with some fancy faneless mATX setup which I could pick your brain about |
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| 02:05.01 | asr33 | just an old junk netbook |
| 02:06.15 | asr33 | just overjoyed with the results |
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| 02:07.42 | Cira | congrats :) |
| 02:08.33 | asr33 | thanks |
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| 02:13.59 | zophy | geez, the hulu feed isn't hyml5 |
| 02:15.14 | zophy | Hulu requires Flash Player |
| 02:15.18 | zophy | ugh |
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| 02:18.33 | zophy_ | HTML5 won't tell them of playback glitches, it won't let them know you watched a commercial, and it doesn't properly prevent you from copying the video. |
| 02:18.52 | zophy_ | welp, that says it all |
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| 02:27.49 | kyconquers | I have both the gdm3 and kdm display managers installed. I originally selected to use the gdm3 as default but now want to switch. how do I reset which display manager is default? |
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| 02:28.55 | dvs | kyconquers: Install the new one and configure it at the login screen. |
| 02:29.17 | Amanas | kyconquers: sudo dpkg-reconfigure gdm3 |
| 02:29.39 | kyconquers | Amanas, and that will change my default to kdm? |
| 02:29.58 | Amanas | kyconquers: it will provide a means to selecting which display manager you want to use |
| 02:31.42 | kyconquers | thanks Amanas that work perfectly. |
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| 02:33.11 | thepro4ever | how can i tail a log on a linux server from a windows box. i have an application running on windows that i need to some how pipe output of a log on a linux box to the application on my windows box |
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| 02:33.59 | gnarface | thepro4ever: that's not a debian question |
| 02:34.15 | tt | thepro4ever: ssh to it and run tail -f in there? |
| 02:34.51 | thepro4ever | tt: well but that doesn't get the output of the tail back to the standard in of my application running on windows |
| 02:35.10 | tt | oh |
| 02:35.19 | thepro4ever | boingolov, i want to connect the standard out of tail on linux to the standard in of my app on windows, i don't know if that is possible |
| 02:35.20 | tt | you could get a windows command-line ssh client |
| 02:35.31 | tt | and go ssh blah tail -f blah | yourapp |
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| 02:36.02 | b0ss__ | does "/sbin" stand for secure or superuser bin ? |
| 02:36.08 | thepro4ever | tt: that sounds crazy enough it might work i don't know |
| 02:36.12 | gnarface | heh, yea you could do that... if windows had | |
| 02:36.32 | thepro4ever | gnarface, cygwin has | |
| 02:36.35 | thepro4ever | i think |
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| 02:43.58 | peterrooney | b0ss__: System BINaries |
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| 03:11.16 | kyconquers | is there a amd64 version of skype? |
| 03:11.29 | kyconquers | *for linux squeeze? |
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| 03:13.06 | rozz2 | Hello! I need this package in i386 architecture installed on debian sid. http://packages.debian.org/sid/libssl0.9.8 |
| 03:13.10 | rozz2 | Can someone help me find the .deb? |
| 03:13.33 | rozz2 | I am aware that it is not the most recent libssl. |
| 03:13.38 | Tramp | !tell kyconquers -about skype |
| 03:13.47 | Tramp | maybe that helps |
| 03:14.37 | kyconquers | thanks Tramp |
| 03:14.46 | Tramp | yw |
| 03:15.10 | rozz2 | Oh. Will this work? http://snapshot.debian.org/package/openssl/0.9.8-1/#libssl0.9.8_0.9.8-1 |
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| 03:28.53 | rozz2 | The game's logging software suggests that python is the problem. |
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| 03:41.32 | yeehi | Just installed Wheezy, Gnome. Reached desktop ok but no wireless internet connection - it says it is "unmanaged". Wireless should work ok as I did a network install. How do I get internet? |
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| 03:44.52 | boudiccas | Good morning. I am runnign cairo-dock [no open-GL], with four desktops, but i find that the panel on desktops 1 and 4 displays just a blackpanel with no icons. How can i get them back and to stay there then please? |
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| 03:46.57 | dvs | yeehi: Chances are you gonna need firmware to get your wireless card to work. |
| 03:47.31 | kupo | can anyone assist with dpkg-buildpackage ? |
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| 03:49.43 | yeehi | hi, dvs, i know i don't need firmware - this laptop works with fully free software |
| 03:49.58 | yeehi | I think it might be related to this: Enabling Interface ManagementIf you want NetworkManager to handle interfaces that are enabled in /etc/network/interfaces:Set managed=true in /etc/NetworkManager/NetworkManager.conf.Restart NetworkManager:/etc/init.d/network-manager restart"Auto Ethernet" and "Auto eth0"Auto Ethernet means "Select an Ethernet interface automatically"Auto eth0 means "autconfigure the eth0 interface". |
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| 04:30.13 | yeehi | Just installed Wheezy Gnome. I know wireless card works ok with free software and the wireless router signal is ok. I cannot reach internet. NetworkManger.conf has be set to managed=true and restarted. It says wireless is unavailable in network manager gnome. Aeroplane mode is off. Wireless is set to on. No wireless networks have been detected. How can I get to the internet? |
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| 05:27.39 | yeehi | Do we need all 3 DVD iso files to install Wheezy? Would having just the first be sufficient? http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/wheezy_di_beta4/amd64/iso-dvd/ |
| 05:27.51 | Infiltrator | yeehi: Yes. |
| 05:27.59 | yeehi | i want a live CD of wheezy |
| 05:28.09 | yeehi | thanks, infiltrator |
| 05:28.13 | Infiltrator | yeehi: Unless you want obscure packages and don't have an internet connection. |
| 05:28.30 | Infiltrator | yeehi: Wait, do you want to install or run a live? |
| 05:28.40 | yeehi | i just installed wheezy gnome, Infiltrator, but had no wireless working - couldn't fix wireless |
| 05:28.56 | yeehi | i did a network install |
| 05:29.02 | yeehi | so wireless should work |
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| 05:29.16 | Infiltrator | yeehi: If you want live, get them from here: http://www.debian.org/CD/live/ |
| 05:29.28 | yeehi | I know wireless card works ok with free software and the wireless router signal is ok. I cannot reach internet. NetworkManger.conf has be set to managed=true and restarted. It says wireless is unavailable in network manager gnome. Aeroplane mode is off. Wireless is set to on. No wireless networks have been detected. How can I get to the internet? |
| 05:29.45 | yeehi | nice link, Infiltrator! :) thank you |
| 05:29.54 | BenNZ | yeehi: perhaps you need to install firmware |
| 05:30.30 | BenNZ | yeehi: what wireless do you have? |
| 05:30.41 | yeehi | Ah, I saw that live CD page, Infiltrator, but it is for the stable debian, not wheezy, I think |
| 05:30.46 | Onixs | Bye! |
| 05:30.56 | BenNZ | *device |
| 05:31.02 | yeehi | BenNZ - this laptop doesn't require proprietary drivers - should work out of box |
| 05:31.41 | BenNZ | yeehi: the drivers could be in the kernel , but you still might need firmware |
| 05:32.30 | BenNZ | yeehi: which might not be installed during a netinstall |
| 05:32.53 | yeehi | how do i check the wireless, BenNZ? |
| 05:33.09 | BenNZ | yeehi: lspci |
| 05:33.37 | yeehi | ok, thanks, i will check that out when i boot into debian again |
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| 05:34.02 | BenNZ | yeehi: no problem |
| 05:36.59 | Infiltrator | yeehi: When you do, look for firmware-* packages and read the descriptions to see which you need. |
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| 06:12.28 | slixz85 | sup all |
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| 06:12.54 | slixz85 | i am lookin for some help with a broadcom wifi card. anyone who is able to help i appreciate it |
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| 06:20.15 | nevyn | slixz85: what sort? |
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| 06:28.11 | Borked | ikonia, you seemed mad :( |
| 06:28.25 | ikonia | please don't start in this channel also - this channel is for debian discussion, keep it to that |
| 06:28.43 | Borked | I have no desire to do anything other than follow the rules here |
| 06:29.05 | Borked | this isn't a novice "how-do-I-install-windows-games" channel like ubuntu |
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| 06:30.16 | Borked | ikonia, and I am sorry I had to correct you in front of the others. MarkMonitor is not a registrar. Deal with it. |
| 06:30.54 | ikonia | Borked: this channel is for debian - you said you wanted to keep to the rules, so keep it to debian discussion (please) |
| 06:31.25 | Borked | I shall. Again I am sorry for questioning your authority in ubuntu requiring you to kick me. |
| 06:31.34 | ikonia | no problem, |
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| 06:31.57 | Borked | But, I would advise you are aware of a *correct* answer before you answer people's questions |
| 06:32.11 | ikonia | "debian discussion please" |
| 06:32.22 | Borked | of course |
| 06:32.25 | ikonia | thanks |
| 06:32.31 | Borked | my absolute pleasure |
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| 06:33.25 | Borked | ikonia, because when ill-informed people, like yourself, just start throwing out answers without any regard to that answer's veracity - well, people can become confused |
| 06:33.47 | Borked | ikonia, I would ask that you apologize to me in front of the whole #ubuntu channel |
| 06:33.51 | Borked | thanks |
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| 06:35.07 | Borked | ikonia, perhaps it is advisable you take a break from "helping" others. I will discuss the issue with some other #ubuntu ops |
| 06:35.09 | valdyn | markmonitor certainly claim to be a registrar |
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| 06:35.21 | Borked | valdyn, debian discussion please |
| 06:35.33 | Borked | valdyn, we don't want this to turn into a free-for-all |
| 06:36.16 | Borked | valdyn, anyway, anything I can help you with? |
| 06:36.33 | Borked | I'm Bork. Charles Bork. |
| 06:38.07 | Borked | valdyn, well, when you find your voice I'll be here to help |
| 06:38.14 | Borked | on Debian matters only, I'm afraid |
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| 06:39.47 | LtL | Borked: slixz85 could use some wifi assistance with a broadcom card, i'm busy but i'm sure he would be delighted if you could help. |
| 06:40.07 | Borked | slixz85, okie dokes. Mind reiterating for me? |
| 06:40.42 | LtL | Borked: thank you, i hope he hasn't wandered off. |
| 06:40.42 | slixz85 | yes it is an old ass 2004 inspiron b130 but and just fixing up for a friend i go realtek or ralink of course lol |
| 06:40.50 | slixz85 | the lspci is... |
| 06:41.10 | slixz85 | 02:00.0 Ethernet controller: Broadcom Corporation BCM4401-B0 100Base-TX (rev 02) |
| 06:41.30 | valdyn | !which driver |
| 06:41.31 | slixz85 | also nevyn thanks for tryin to help also i was in other room sorry |
| 06:41.31 | dpkg | To work out what module you need to load for your PCI card, try pasting the output from "lspci -n" into http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/ . To determine the driver currently associated with an Ethernet interface, ask me about <which ethernet module>. To show the video driver used by your X server: egrep 'Load.*mod.*driv|UnloadModule' /var/log/Xorg.0.log . See also <oot>, <nodriver>, <judd-hardware>. |
| 06:41.32 | Borked | slixz85, ok. Won't connect then, but is recognizing the device |
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| 06:41.56 | slixz85 | no Borked ifconfig and iwconfig do not show |
| 06:41.58 | valdyn | slixz85: do what dpkg suggests, let us know what driver if any is the result |
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| 06:42.20 | Borked | ifconfig -a as well? |
| 06:42.26 | slixz85 | valdyn, i do not know an actual driver only the above lspci code |
| 06:42.42 | valdyn | slixz85: exactly, that is why you need to do what dpkg said |
| 06:42.42 | slixz85 | all that is working is wired |
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| 06:42.51 | slixz85 | oh soryr lemme re read |
| 06:43.16 | LtL | slixz85: pastebin lspci -nn |
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| 06:45.27 | slixz85 | 00:00.0 0600: 8086:2590 (rev 03) |
| 06:45.27 | slixz85 | 00:02.0 0300: 8086:2592 (rev 03) |
| 06:45.28 | slixz85 | 00:02.1 0380: 8086:2792 (rev 03) |
| 06:45.28 | slixz85 | 00:1b.0 0403: 8086:2668 (rev 03) |
| 06:45.28 | slixz85 | 00:1c.0 0604: 8086:2660 (rev 03) |
| 06:45.28 | slixz85 | 00:1c.3 0604: 8086:2666 (rev 03) |
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| 06:45.42 | slixz85 | 00:1d.7 0c03: 8086:265c (rev 03) |
| 06:45.44 | slixz85 | 00:1e.0 0604: 8086:2448 (rev d3) |
| 06:45.46 | slixz85 | 00:1f.0 0601: 8086:2641 (rev 03) |
| 06:45.48 | slixz85 | 00:1f.1 0101: 8086:266f (rev 03) |
| 06:45.50 | slixz85 | 02:00.0 0200: 14e4:170c (rev 02) |
| 06:45.52 | slixz85 | damn my bad |
| 06:45.54 | slixz85 | about the flood thought was shorter |
| 06:45.56 | slixz85 | did u guys all get that though |
| 06:46.20 | LtL | slixz85: use http://paste.debian.net |
| 06:46.29 | Borked | dr |
| 06:46.39 | Borked | s/dr/er |
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| 06:46.45 | LtL | and that not the whole output |
| 06:46.45 | slixz85 | ok LtL doin now i hear ya just thought a little deal wouldnt hurt lol |
| 06:46.57 | LtL | np |
| 06:48.17 | slixz85 | i am just makin a good pastebin with lsmod and everything |
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| 06:50.33 | slixz85 | sorry if i missed something havent had to mess with wifi at all in years http://paste.debian.net/225568/ |
| 06:50.36 | slixz85 | thanks to everyone |
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| 06:51.39 | LtL | slixz85: lspci -nn the -nn is important |
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| 06:51.51 | slixz85 | ok ltl my bad |
| 06:52.35 | LtL | wanders to the other machine, good luck |
| 06:52.45 | slixz85 | lspci -nn http://paste.debian.net/225569/ |
| 06:54.45 | slixz85 | so far i did modprobe -r b43 at first then i did echo options b43 pio=1 qos=0 >> /etc/modprobe.d/local.conf |
| 06:54.50 | slixz85 | and modprobe b43 again |
| 06:54.52 | slixz85 | that is it |
| 06:55.13 | slixz85 | and the drivers i have installed right now are.... |
| 06:56.08 | slixz85 | b43-fwcutter,firmware-bnx2,firmwarebnx2x,firmware-brcm80211,and firmware-linux-nonfree |
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| 06:57.51 | LtL | , pciid 14e4:170c |
| 06:57.52 | judd | [14e4:170c] is 'BCM4401-B0 100Base-TX' from 'Broadcom Corporation' with kernel module 'b44' in squeeze. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=14e4:170c |
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| 06:58.49 | LtL | slixz85: squeeze? |
| 06:58.52 | slixz85 | ok b44 |
| 06:58.54 | slixz85 | knoppix |
| 06:59.16 | LtL | *cough* |
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| 06:59.22 | slixz85 | lol |
| 06:59.27 | slixz85 | hey its a debian derivative |
| 06:59.56 | slixz85 | so are you sayin squeeze works out of the box LtL ? |
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| 07:00.05 | slixz85 | and i tried so many isos already |
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| 07:00.47 | LtL | slixz85: looks like it, a big yes |
| 07:01.10 | slixz85 | ok so is squeeze the 2.6.25- kernel still LtL or that dont matter really |
| 07:01.11 | ectospasm | unless you have strict security requirements, I'd recommend wheezy |
| 07:01.14 | slixz85 | i just read that page |
| 07:01.19 | Borked | ikonia, how rude! |
| 07:01.25 | ectospasm | it will future proof your system better than squeeze will |
| 07:01.38 | Borked | ikonia, to kick someone off ubuntu-offtopic is ... MY VICTORY!! |
| 07:01.42 | Borked | :) |
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| 07:02.16 | Borked | ikonia, you still mad, bro? |
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| 07:03.02 | slixz85 | LtL, thanks for the help and it seems of coures squeeze is it but just asking do i have to actually get the same kernel as on that page or can it be squeeze with a newer kernel anyway? thanks for your help again btw |
| 07:03.05 | LtL | slixz85: squeeze is currently 2.6.32 |
| 07:03.17 | ectospasm | slixz85: there's always backports |
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| 07:03.41 | slixz85 | ok ectospasm so jus to be straight though. do i have to get the same kernel as on that page |
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| 07:04.03 | slixz85 | or is it POSSIBLE a newer one of only 2.6.32 will still work |
| 07:04.15 | ectospasm | slixz85: I don't know enough of this thread to answer that question... |
| 07:04.29 | slixz85 | ok appreciate it anyway eccentric |
| 07:04.35 | slixz85 | ectospasm, * |
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| 07:06.11 | LtL | slixz85: I know nada about knoppix, and squeeze can easily be upgraded to a 3.2 kernel if that matters. if i recall your machine is old? |
| 07:07.43 | LtL | slixz85: my suggestion, install squeeze on the wire, get the b44 module loaded, wifi working, yank the cable and you're good. |
| 07:08.01 | Borked | ikonia, I'll take that as a "yes" ... bro |
| 07:08.31 | LtL | Borked: he's not going to argue with you |
| 07:08.50 | Borked | LtL, he's learned his lesson, this is true |
| 07:09.27 | LtL | Borked: i'm not taking sides, this is totally off topic |
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| 07:09.36 | slixz85 | ok LtL so ur sayin netinstall iso right |
| 07:09.41 | Borked | LtL, agreed. Let's leave it, shall we? |
| 07:10.01 | LtL | slixz85: i like the cd or dvd1 myself |
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| 07:10.07 | LtL | Borked: agreed |
| 07:10.19 | slixz85 | ahh i was gonna ask why it does show cd 1,2,3,4,5 |
| 07:10.23 | slixz85 | what is differences |
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| 07:11.38 | LtL | slixz85: all you need is cd1 for a full system. the rest are extra packages although squeeze may not carry wpa2 packages on cd1, maybe the dvd1 though. |
| 07:12.23 | slixz85 | ok LtL appreciate it unfortunately i only got a 2gig flash so i gotta go cd1 |
| 07:12.27 | Borked | ikonia, bye. Fun trolling you. I liked the part where you kept answering me, despite yourself :)))) |
| 07:12.31 | LtL | slixz85: if you install on a wire, netinstall or cd1 will get it all going in an hour or so. |
| 07:12.48 | slixz85 | thanks for al your guys help LtL Borked and anyone else who was in it |
| 07:13.03 | slixz85 | netinstall it is i like minimal anyway |
| 07:13.17 | slixz85 | standard system and DE is all that is required right? |
| 07:13.31 | LtL | right |
| 07:13.36 | slixz85 | ok thanks again |
| 07:13.39 | slixz85 | im out |
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| 07:13.45 | LtL | cd1 will suffice for that |
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| 07:23.43 | adamsilver | guys i did: apt-get install libfreetype6 libfreetype6-dev on deb 6… what is my freetype lib path now? |
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| 07:27.04 | bniels | adamsilver, "dpkg -L libfreetype6-dev" will show you where it was installed |
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| 07:31.56 | adamsilver | thanks bniels |
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| 08:24.36 | _darsie3 | what's the at command? |
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| 08:34.14 | wols_ | darsie: man at will tell you what it does |
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| 08:38.58 | Aleksander | Hello, how can I force libjpeg-turbo8 to install, if it's blocked by unremovable libjpeg8? (I can't remove it without half of my system) |
| 08:39.14 | dcpc007 | hello 'vrbody |
| 08:39.48 | Aleksander | hej dcpc007 |
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| 08:43.01 | TheAvatar | http://pastebin.com/xzPknyXW - any idea why it recovers so slow? at that rate it will take 59 years... And can I do anything to speed it up? |
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| 08:46.59 | dcpc007 | smartctl checked ? no error on disks ? |
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| 08:47.34 | dcpc007 | and it's softwareraid or fakeraid ? |
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| 08:47.50 | dcpc007 | is there other things running on the FS ? |
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| 08:48.04 | dcpc007 | maybe already loaded |
| 08:48.28 | dcpc007 | reconstruct is a heavy load on disks |
| 08:49.30 | tuv | how do i check if an apt-key key is installed, in a script? |
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| 08:50.27 | tyrmored | can anybody suggest a starting point for setting up a stream which is generally silent, but which might occasionally have sounds played to it? how would i set up the stream and how could i use e.g. mplayer to write output to it? |
| 08:50.45 | tyrmored | this would ideally be something to which e.g. vlc could subscribe |
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| 08:53.53 | CableNinja | evening/morning all. running squeeze, I can get hibernate to hibernate, but I cant figure out how to get it to resume. both pm-hibernate and hibernate (pkg) hibernate, but dont resume. the hibernate package says it modifies grub to resume, but it never does, suggestions? |
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| 09:01.55 | Zeeflo | Is it possible to have like, 2-3 servers that can share CPU.. Kinda like a raid0 between servers.. |
| 09:01.56 | t3ngu | hello |
| 09:02.26 | wols_ | Zeeflo: read up on clusters |
| 09:02.31 | Zeeflo | sharing CPU and RAM and other things |
| 09:02.42 | Zeeflo | Ok |
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| 09:03.15 | shinyPebble | hi, if i install wheezy now, is it easy for me to upgrade to the final wheezy when that comes out? |
| 09:03.19 | Zeeflo | is it for the average debian user? |
| 09:03.22 | shinyPebble | (new to debian) |
| 09:03.25 | Zeeflo | shinyPebble: Yes |
| 09:03.33 | shinyPebble | do i basically have to do anything? |
| 09:03.35 | Zeeflo | as long as you do your daily apt-get upgrade |
| 09:03.48 | wols_ | shinyPebble: just a apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 09:03.52 | shinyPebble | ah figured. |
| 09:04.06 | Zeeflo | shinyPebble do: apt-get dist-upgrade |
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| 09:04.12 | shinyPebble | so nothing like do-releaseupgrade -d that can go wrong ;) |
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| 09:04.49 | shinyPebble | i guess cos they're all the same 'wheezy' branch stuff in sources.list wouldn't have to be modified. |
| 09:04.52 | wols_ | apt-get always can get wrong. unlikely but it can happen |
| 09:04.53 | Zeeflo | wols_ Is clustering servers for average users? |
| 09:05.13 | Zeeflo | ive only experienced it 1 time in all my years with servers.. |
| 09:05.16 | Zeeflo | with mencoder |
| 09:05.27 | t3ngu | does an average user needs such a configuration? |
| 09:05.54 | Zeeflo | but with all the apt-get's ive done, its like a 1/1.000.000 apt-get error |
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| 09:06.10 | Zeeflo | t3ngu, yes, I transcode alot of videos |
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| 09:06.25 | Zeeflo | so it would be nice to cluster some xeon servers |
| 09:06.36 | Zeeflo | getting things done faster! |
| 09:06.37 | t3ngu | Zeeflo: thats not average :) |
| 09:06.45 | Zeeflo | yea well hehe |
| 09:06.47 | Zeeflo | im being modest |
| 09:07.04 | Zeeflo | Ive just never done clustering except for mysql databases |
| 09:07.06 | t3ngu | there are some requirements you need to have |
| 09:07.13 | Zeeflo | and that was a long time ago! |
| 09:07.50 | t3ngu | A Beowulf cluster is a computer cluster of what are normally identical, commodity-grade computers networked into a small local area network with libraries and programs installed which allow processing to be shared among them. |
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| 09:08.00 | t3ngu | I have used this a looong time ago, at the univ |
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| 09:08.37 | Zeeflo | Hmm! |
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| 09:08.49 | Zeeflo | commodity grade.. |
| 09:09.05 | t3ngu | i had used 486's then. |
| 09:09.18 | Zeeflo | Wouldnt it be completely indifferent what kind of computers it is.. |
| 09:09.30 | t3ngu | well not to the processing power |
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| 09:09.51 | Zeeflo | theyre all dual cpu xeons or i7 990x cpus |
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| 09:09.58 | Zeeflo | all have 24gb ram |
| 09:10.02 | Zeeflo | some have 32 |
| 09:10.06 | Zeeflo | and a single one has 128 |
| 09:10.10 | Zeeflo | should that matter? |
| 09:10.21 | Zeeflo | Should the hardware be uniform? |
| 09:10.31 | t3ngu | read the specs |
| 09:10.36 | t3ngu | rtm |
| 09:10.39 | t3ngu | :) |
| 09:10.45 | Zeeflo | a simple yes or no would suffice as well dude ;) |
| 09:11.02 | t3ngu | i could be wrong |
| 09:11.09 | t3ngu | and mislead you |
| 09:11.12 | Zeeflo | AHH there you go :D |
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| 09:11.26 | t3ngu | its been more than 10 years |
| 09:11.29 | t3ngu | since i used it. |
| 09:11.32 | Zeeflo | ok |
| 09:11.35 | t3ngu | honestly can't remember |
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| 09:12.00 | Zeeflo | its cool |
| 09:12.02 | Zeeflo | ill tfm |
| 09:12.07 | Zeeflo | rtfm* |
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| 09:13.15 | ectospasm | I always thought that Beowulf clusters didn't have the strict requirement that the nodes be identical |
| 09:13.24 | ectospasm | though I may be wrong, I've never set one up. |
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| 09:21.29 | dcpc007 | TheAvatar: some news ? |
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| 09:23.40 | TheAvatar | dcpc007, I am not sure if a disk is bad or not - I had a disk replaced |
| 09:23.49 | TheAvatar | it is mdadm, so guess it is softwareraid |
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| 09:24.02 | TheAvatar | the fs is unavailable, so nothing running on it |
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| 09:25.57 | dcpc007 | then no idea for reconstr time. |
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| 09:26.16 | dcpc007 | i'll do the same soon, but with a fakeraid and on raid1 |
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| 09:33.45 | TheAvatar | dcpc007, okay - the strange thing is the speed - that just looks weird |
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| 09:34.11 | Bastichou | Hi, is it possible to upgrade an installed package with compiling src ? |
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| 09:34.24 | Bastichou | When binary are not out yet for instance ? |
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| 09:34.46 | wols_ | sure |
| 09:34.56 | wols_ | what package and version do you need? |
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| 09:36.17 | Bastichou | wols_, I'm using squid3.1 and i would upgrade to the last stable version (3.2.6) |
| 09:36.31 | Bastichou | Should i uninstall my existing squid3 ? |
| 09:36.35 | Bastichou | before |
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| 09:37.22 | wols_ | ,versions squid |
| 09:37.23 | judd | Package: squid on i386 -- lenny: 2.7.STABLE3-4.1lenny1; lenny-security: 2.7.STABLE3-4.1lenny1; lenny-backports: 2.7.STABLE7-1~bpo50+1; squeeze: 2.7.STABLE9-2.1; sid: 2.7.STABLE9-4.1; wheezy: 2.7.STABLE9-4.1 |
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| 09:37.45 | wols_ | are you actually using debian? |
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| 09:39.25 | Zeeflo | hmm |
| 09:39.34 | Zeeflo | doesnt look like beowulf is "all that"! |
| 09:39.50 | Bastichou | Sorry i'm using an Ubuntu server, but the last version of squid available on repo is 3.1.19 |
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| 09:40.11 | wols_ | we do not support ubuntu. ask #ubuntu please |
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| 09:41.30 | t3ngu | lol |
| 09:41.31 | Zeeflo | Or even better, switch to what Ubuntu essentially is, Debian, and come back and ask :D |
| 09:41.58 | Zeeflo | i never really got the idea of why ubuntu was created, except some bastards wanted to make money! |
| 09:42.02 | BackEndCoder | cool guys use Debian (tm) |
| 09:42.15 | Zeeflo | yup! |
| 09:42.20 | Zeeflo | nuf' said |
| 09:42.22 | Bastichou | wols_ Ofc, but it was a general question, "if it is possible to upgrade a package by compiling src". |
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| 09:42.39 | Zeeflo | ask in #linux |
| 09:42.55 | Zeeflo | haha |
| 09:42.57 | t3ngu | if you add the pkg-src equiv |
| 09:43.01 | t3ngu | lol @ zeelfo |
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| 09:43.10 | BackEndCoder | dpkg is your friend |
| 09:43.10 | dpkg | BackEndCoder: I give up, what is it? |
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| 09:43.24 | Zeeflo | well. general linux questions, would be asked in #linux wouldnt it :D |
| 09:43.29 | BackEndCoder | .deb's work on ubuntu too |
| 09:43.34 | xocolatl | hi. dumb question. how can I get pev for squeeze? I would prefer not to compile it myself. |
| 09:43.47 | xocolatl | my searches have been fruitless so far :( |
| 09:44.05 | Zeeflo | xocolatl: dumb answer - Look the sun is shining, and theres fruit in the fridge! |
| 09:44.19 | BackEndCoder | xocolatl, its in wheezy |
| 09:44.24 | Bastichou | Sorry guys i'm not the IT responsable xD, i did not choose what system would i use ! |
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| 09:44.52 | Zeeflo | Bastichou: Then tell him to go to #Ubuntu and sort out your things :) |
| 09:44.56 | xocolatl | BackEndCoder: and how does that help me exactly? |
| 09:45.15 | BackEndCoder | you can do a apt sources hack to allow you to install a random package from another repo |
| 09:45.36 | Zeeflo | add wheezy to your sources list |
| 09:45.44 | BackEndCoder | or you could apt-get update with wheezy, install pev, and change your sources back |
| 09:45.49 | BackEndCoder | you might get lucky |
| 09:46.07 | BackEndCoder | or install the .deb and use dpkg |
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| 09:46.36 | Zeeflo | I would proabably go with that! |
| 09:46.37 | xocolatl | ok. thanks BackEndCoder, I'll try that |
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| 09:46.57 | BackEndCoder | tbh mate, as wheezy is practicly stable these days, you might as well just use wheezy |
| 09:47.25 | Zeeflo | ive been using wheezy for 5-6 months now. |
| 09:47.28 | Zeeflo | No issues! |
| 09:47.36 | Zeeflo | dist-upgrade! |
| 09:47.51 | Losowski | Zeeflo: Everything purring like a kitten for me |
| 09:48.01 | Zeeflo | here as well! |
| 09:48.16 | Zeeflo | in fact it actually sorted out alot of problems on my home server |
| 09:48.30 | BackEndCoder | anyone know what new testing will be called when it comes out ? |
| 09:48.31 | Zeeflo | with my uPNP service |
| 09:48.36 | BackEndCoder | are we going debian 8.0 this time |
| 09:48.50 | Zeeflo | wheezy is debian 7 |
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| 09:48.55 | BackEndCoder | indeed it is |
| 09:49.07 | BackEndCoder | when wheezy goes stable, i will probably stay on testing |
| 09:49.17 | gnarface | BackEndCoder: jessie will be the name of the new testing, is what i heard |
| 09:49.18 | BackEndCoder | for that cheap thrill |
| 09:49.24 | BackEndCoder | cool |
| 09:49.37 | xocolatl | I know I could look it up, but is there a projected release date for wheezy? |
| 09:49.45 | BackEndCoder | 'really soon' |
| 09:49.51 | BackEndCoder | i asked this before christmas |
| 09:49.53 | BackEndCoder | can't be long now |
| 09:49.56 | Zeeflo | 27 Jul 2012 |
| 09:49.59 | gnarface | xocolatl: no but there is a betting pool :) |
| 09:50.04 | Zeeflo | we are happy to announce that Debian 8.0 will be known as "Jessie". |
| 09:50.10 | BackEndCoder | 2012 ? :P |
| 09:50.15 | gnarface | !wwwr |
| 09:50.15 | dpkg | I don't know when Wheezy will release, but I can say that it will be sooner if you help. Ask me about <wheezy pool> for contributed release date guesses. Wheezy was frozen on June 30th, 2012 -- ask me about <freeze>. If you'd like wheezy to release sooner rather than later, perhaps you could help squash some <rc bugs>! |
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| 09:50.37 | babilen | BackEndCoder: I wouldn't recommend to do that as testing is a /very/ bumpy ride directly after the release. Give it a couple of weeks at least. |
| 09:50.49 | BackEndCoder | fair enough |
| 09:51.06 | BackEndCoder | might just save the laptop the fun, and leave the servers on wheezy for a bit :) |
| 09:51.19 | Projektarbyte | Hello, where does the commandline save it´s history on debian 2.6? .. |
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| 09:51.45 | Zeeflo | in your user dir |
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| 09:51.51 | BackEndCoder | kernel 2.6 ? |
| 09:51.55 | BackEndCoder | or debian 2.6 |
| 09:52.00 | BackEndCoder | was i even alive then lol |
| 09:52.22 | Zeeflo | history for the users commands has ALWAYS been stored in your user dir |
| 09:52.23 | Projektarbyte | (Debian 2.6.32-46) |
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| 09:52.34 | BackEndCoder | thats your kernel |
| 09:52.35 | babilen | Projektarbyte: bash uses $HOME/.bash_history |
| 09:52.35 | Zeeflo | .bash_history |
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| 09:52.51 | BackEndCoder | yeah 'ls -la' will show you the hidden files |
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| 09:53.20 | CableNinja | I use -alh 99% of the time |
| 09:53.32 | BackEndCoder | i like typing less |
| 09:53.33 | Projektarbyte | well, isn´t it a security problem, because of saving passwords in this file in plaintext? |
| 09:53.55 | BackEndCoder | depends who is in your user area Projektarbyte |
| 09:54.03 | Projektarbyte | :) |
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| 09:54.47 | Zeeflo | and yes, you do have a security issue if other users can ramble about in your dir |
| 09:54.57 | Zeeflo | you would might want to fix that, if thats the case. |
| 09:55.07 | Projektarbyte | no thats not the case |
| 09:55.14 | Zeeflo | then the question is irrelevant |
| 09:55.48 | babilen | BackEndCoder: "alias ll='ls -lah --color=auto'" and you are done |
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| 09:56.27 | BackEndCoder | :P |
| 09:56.49 | CableNinja | babilen: I did that to ls, not ll :) |
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| 09:57.03 | BackEndCoder | but then if you ever need to use ls |
| 09:57.09 | BackEndCoder | its broken :) |
| 09:57.25 | babilen | indeed |
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| 09:58.32 | ectospasm | I usually have alias ls='ls --color=auto', and alias ll='ls -alh' |
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| 09:58.48 | Zeeflo | i just use mc :D |
| 09:58.53 | ectospasm | for those rare times when I don't want color |
| 09:59.32 | ectospasm | Zeeflo: meh, jumping into mc for a simple directory listing is overkill, IMO |
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| 09:59.48 | ectospasm | besides, most of my customers don't have mc installed, so it's moot. |
| 09:59.54 | Zeeflo | im 80% if the time in mc |
| 10:00.06 | Zeeflo | copying, pasting, moving, renaming etc |
| 10:00.14 | Zeeflo | its all alot easier, imo |
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| 10:01.02 | Zeeflo | remote shelling, copying from server to server.. |
| 10:01.16 | shal3r | I'm testing squeeze->wheezy upgrade in virtualbox virtual machine (with 2.5gb dedicated ram) and i got "Cannot allocate memory: fork: Unable to fork new process" a few times while doing dist-upgrade. Can this be somehow related to upgrade process by itself? I'm just testing upgrade on a copy of live system in virtualbox before i upgrade live system. |
| 10:01.21 | Zeeflo | i mean.. copy by pressing f5 is alot easier then typing 20+ letters |
| 10:01.30 | Zeeflo | etc etc |
| 10:02.04 | t3ngu | shal3r: can you do 'free' ? |
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| 10:02.34 | babilen | shal3r: Are you using apt-get or aptitude? Can you provide a transcript of your session along with the output of "free -m" on http://paste.debian.net please? |
| 10:02.53 | babilen | shal3r: The error message is pretty clear though: Something runs out of memory. Are you sure that you have enough? |
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| 10:02.56 | t3ngu | shuts up, babilen has it. |
| 10:03.05 | babilen | t3ngu: meh, please don't |
| 10:03.19 | babilen | I like help as much as the next guy :) |
| 10:03.21 | t3ngu | no ok i mean you have the #room rules and all nailed |
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| 10:03.33 | t3ngu | I will stick around no worries ;) |
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| 10:03.48 | Projektarbyte | What are LSB tags @init scripts? |
| 10:04.04 | babilen | dpkg: tell Projektarbyte -about lsb tags |
| 10:04.15 | babilen | dpkg: tell Projektarbyte -about init script |
| 10:04.27 | shal3r | babilen, apt-get, just as debian mighty upgrade manual says. i'm trying it again with 4gb of ram and i will gather needed data |
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| 10:04.44 | babilen | Projektarbyte: Think of it as information in the form of "This service needs network and ... and therefore needs to run after ...." |
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| 10:05.19 | babilen | shal3r: Thanks, apt-get shouldn't run out of RAM like that and in particular not if it has that much memory. :-/ |
| 10:05.38 | CableNinja | anyone know anything about hibernation/resume on squeeze? not having any success on the resuming part |
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| 10:06.17 | Projektarbyte | babilen: thanks .. |
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| 10:10.29 | t3ngu | shal3r: if you check the largest memory programs : ps -e -O sz --sort sz |tail you can see why it runs out of mem. Have you also setup swap partition? is the swap also used? |
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| 10:14.35 | shal3r | t3ngu, babilen - i just found a process which somehow was using lots of ram during dist-upgrade (php script, launched from crontab). |
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| 10:15.02 | bniels | CableNinja, can you compare the UUID of your swap partition (use blkid to find out) to the contents of /etc/initramfs-tools/conf.d/resume please? |
| 10:15.55 | CableNinja | bniels: they most definitely do not match |
| 10:16.09 | t3ngu | shal3r: you can add an extra 'file' as swap if you have enough disk space, just so you don't have oom problems again (if it is in crontab the job) |
| 10:16.15 | CableNinja | matter of fact, that uuid doesnt even exist |
| 10:16.50 | CableNinja | bniels: do I just need to update that? |
| 10:17.12 | shal3r | t3ngu, thanks, i already got much more RAM and swap on live system. Just made note to myself to monitor ram usage while upgrading and disable scripts in cron |
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| 10:17.13 | bniels | CableNinja, yes and then update-initramfs -u |
| 10:17.23 | babilen | shal3r: A "wonderful" -- I am happy that it was PHP for some reason as I can continue to nurture my preconceptions ;) |
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| 10:17.28 | babilen | *Ah |
| 10:17.52 | bniels | CableNinja, if your swap is an LVM volume, you need to use /dev/mapper/vgname-lvname, tho, instead of the UUID |
| 10:18.00 | CableNinja | not using lvm :) |
| 10:18.02 | CableNinja | now lets try it out |
| 10:18.03 | babilen | shal3r: I take it that you can not test if you can recover from the interrupted upgrade or can you? |
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| 10:19.30 | CableNinja | shibby! |
| 10:19.33 | CableNinja | thanks bniels |
| 10:19.38 | bniels | you're welcome |
| 10:19.40 | shal3r | babilen, upgrade got interrupted three times and i recovered from it. Only problem i got was a missing network connection after first interruption, but it fixed by itself after continuing upgrade after reboot |
| 10:19.55 | CableNinja | the unfortunate part is that I feel like boot is faster than resume... >.> |
| 10:20.19 | CableNinja | but at least now, I know that it will hibernate when the battery is almost dead |
| 10:20.32 | babilen | shal3r: yeah :) |
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| 10:22.22 | shal3r | I accidentally did not choose disk for grub loader while doing dist-upgrade. How to repeat this part of grub setup? |
| 10:22.28 | shal3r | grub1.9 |
| 10:22.42 | bniels | shal3r, dpkg-reconfigure grub-pc |
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| 10:23.59 | shal3r | bniels, thank you |
| 10:24.09 | bniels | yw |
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| 10:26.23 | shal3r | nice, now i upgraded from squeeze to wheezy without any issues except fixing old apache2 and dovecot configs |
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| 10:27.05 | shal3r | for apache i need to remove "Include httpd.conf" because this line was left from previous version but dist-upgrade removed existing empty httpd.conf |
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| 10:35.11 | p3rror | hello |
| 10:35.43 | p3rror | i can not access to my ssh using root even RootPermitLogin is yes |
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| 10:36.36 | valdyn | peterrooney: its PermitRootLogin, not RootPermitLogin |
| 10:36.50 | valdyn | p3rror: ^^ |
| 10:37.04 | p3rror | valdyn, ah yes |
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| 10:37.35 | p3rror | valdyn, it worked perfectly yesterday before i install sudo |
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| 10:41.29 | t3ngu | p3rror: if you ssh -vvv root@... what do you see as the error? |
| 10:41.55 | t3ngu | also on the remote host, what does /var/log/auth.log say? |
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| 10:45.10 | p3rror | t3ngu, i got Failed password for invalid user root from 41.250.233.14 port 34435 ssh2 |
| 10:45.25 | p3rror | t3ngu, i have to password prompt |
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| 10:45.44 | p3rror | t3ngu, User root not allowed because shell bash does not exist |
| 10:45.47 | t3ngu | p3rror: try grep root /etc/shadow see if it has |
| 10:45.51 | t3ngu | oh check |
| 10:46.04 | t3ngu | easy fix then :) |
| 10:47.54 | p3rror | t3ngu, yep thank you |
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| 10:48.04 | t3ngu | you're welcome |
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| 10:56.48 | kavakava | http://pastebin.com/bMu76p2J - Can anyone explain why I'm getting 404? |
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| 10:57.27 | ksk | maybe your mirror is "fucked up"? |
| 10:57.33 | ksk | that can happen from time to time |
| 10:57.42 | ksk | try it again in a few minutes or use another on |
| 10:57.43 | ksk | one |
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| 10:58.06 | t3ngu | ksk mirror is working fine. |
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| 10:58.18 | t3ngu | (at least to me) |
| 10:58.20 | koollman | kavakava: the mirror in sources.list and in the errors isn't the same one. I think there's a bit of configuration missing |
| 10:58.44 | koollman | kavakava: any files in /etc/apt/sources.list.d ? |
| 10:58.53 | kavakava | koollman: Oops, sorry, I edited it before posting. :-P |
| 10:59.06 | kavakava | I had the same error with ftp.debian.org, and changed to ftp.no.debian.org |
| 10:59.19 | koollman | are you using a proxy ? |
| 10:59.22 | kavakava | Nope. |
| 10:59.50 | t3ngu | kavakava: can you : telnet 128.39.3.170 80 ? |
| 10:59.52 | kavakava | All the other repos works (that I have removed now for testing) |
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| 11:01.18 | kavakava | t3ngu: What should I expect? I get Trying 128.39.3.170... \ Connected to 128.39.3.170. \ Escape character is '^]'. |
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| 11:01.51 | koollman | kavakava: also, your sources.list is not complete enough. you don't have squeeze, just squeeze-updates |
| 11:01.53 | t3ngu | that it connects. thats what I wanted to check. |
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| 11:03.01 | koollman | kavakava: try with that line (and only that line) : deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ squeeze main contrib non-free |
| 11:04.05 | kavakava | koollman: Yeah, I removed them for testing. http://pastebin.com/nc96SWKB this is the original file. Everything works except squeeze-updates |
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| 11:05.38 | koollman | kavakava: there's also a /debian part of the url missing. |
| 11:05.50 | koollman | (and I should have noticed that first. I need more sleep :/ ) |
| 11:06.13 | koollman | deb http://ftp.no.debian.org/debian squeeze-updates main |
| 11:06.18 | jem^ | if I switch my non-mission critical laptop from stable to testing, how often on average might I expect things to break? |
| 11:06.33 | kavakava | Holy hell, you're right. Blah, I guess I need sleep as well. Thanks! |
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| 11:07.03 | themill | jem^: at this stage of the release cycle, it would be beyond disappointing for things to break. But you probably want to switch to wheezy not to testing. |
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| 11:07.45 | rysiek|pl | ohai |
| 11:08.13 | rysiek|pl | has anobody had a problem where after suspending and waking up the audio output jack does not work? |
| 11:08.26 | rysiek|pl | I'm on wheezy |
| 11:08.39 | rysiek|pl | not sure where to start debugging this |
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| 11:13.13 | bartzy | Hey |
| 11:13.27 | bartzy | How can I change Caps lock to be turned on only when pressing Ctrl+Capslock ? |
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| 11:14.34 | t3ngu | i would guess with xkdb |
| 11:14.39 | t3ngu | xkb sorry |
| 11:14.58 | t3ngu | if it is in X |
| 11:15.36 | bartzy | It is |
| 11:15.40 | bartzy | How do I do that ? |
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| 11:17.34 | jem^ | can I simply s/squeeze/wheezy/ in my sources.list, then dist-upgrade? Will 'deb http://security.debian.org/ wheezy/updates main' work, I should I comment that for now? |
| 11:17.49 | t3ngu | bartzy: allow me few mins kinda busy in the office |
| 11:17.51 | jem^ | s/I/or/ |
| 11:18.26 | t3ngu | or not. |
| 11:19.24 | babilen | jem^: No, please follow http://www.debian.org/releases/wheezy/amd64/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html |
| 11:19.42 | rysiek|pl | jem^: http://www.debian.org/releases/wheezy/i386/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html |
| 11:19.46 | rysiek|pl | damn |
| 11:19.51 | rysiek|pl | babilen: beat me to it |
| 11:20.04 | jem^ | thank you |
| 11:20.36 | babilen | rysiek|pl: :-þ |
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| 11:22.56 | rysiek|pl | babilen: you and me are enemies now! |
| 11:22.57 | rysiek|pl | ;) |
| 11:23.15 | rysiek|pl | anywhoo, anybody any ideas with audio output jack not working after suspend issue? |
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| 11:31.19 | sneex | I give up; whats the correct procedure for the vpn? Is it my login passwd then the vpn key? |
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| 11:32.17 | rysiek|pl | sneex: give me both and I shall tell you |
| 11:32.22 | rysiek|pl | sneex: also, the connection details ;) |
| 11:32.33 | babilen | sneex: Please realise that we have no idea what you are actually talking about |
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| 11:34.48 | sneex | babilen: well, my vpn was working before the recent network manager update, now its not :( Debian unfortutely is like that some times |
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| 12:26.42 | milligan_ | I'm going to compile a library (programming framework) on my squeeze installation. What's the debian default for --prefix ? The makefile want's to go to /usr/local .. is that fine ? |
| 12:27.34 | tictacbum | i think it's /usr |
| 12:27.46 | tictacbum | if you are creating a .deb |
| 12:27.49 | t3ngu | it is |
| 12:28.51 | milligan_ | I'm not going to create a .deb .. just install this library so I can include the headers I need etc in the program I'm going to write .. |
| 12:29.26 | tictacbum | then I would use /usr/local |
| 12:30.54 | milligan_ | Installation Include Dir = /usr/local/include/ClanLib-2.3 , Installation Library Dir = /usr/local/lib, Installation Docs Dir = /usr/local/share/doc/clanlib-2.3. Does that seem right? It's even spitting a warning saying * Warning: installation directory is /usr/local. This may cause problems on some linux distros. Use --prefix=/usr if required * |
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| 12:31.15 | t3ngu | hmm |
| 12:31.21 | t3ngu | linux also uses /opt |
| 12:31.25 | t3ngu | for extra software |
| 12:31.31 | t3ngu | /usr/local is more of a bsd |
| 12:34.01 | trist4n | i believe its for things you compiled. |
| 12:34.06 | tictacbum | may be |
| 12:34.19 | milligan_ | so /usr/local is the "correct" place.. ? |
| 12:34.26 | tictacbum | you should take a look at http://www.pathname.com/fhs/ |
| 12:34.38 | trist4n | i like it, but i have bsd baggage. |
| 12:35.36 | t3ngu | actually you can do whatever you want :) |
| 12:35.49 | t3ngu | I just use what i learned 20 years ago. |
| 12:35.53 | t3ngu | /usr/local is local disk stuff |
| 12:36.03 | milligan_ | hehehe .. yeah, I'm aware. I was just wondering what the norm was for debian, haha. But I guess there is none. |
| 12:36.07 | t3ngu | the /opt is compiled |
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| 12:36.34 | milligan_ | I'll stick it in usr local |
| 12:36.51 | t3ngu | nice |
| 12:37.22 | bniels | milligan_, /usr/local is indeed the canonical place |
| 12:38.09 | bniels | milligan_, also, consider managing stuff under /usr/local with "stow" |
| 12:38.56 | milligan_ | nice - cheers |
| 12:39.09 | bniels | !tell milligan_ about stow |
| 12:39.18 | milligan_ | apt-cache told me ;) |
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| 12:45.57 | cantido | Is there a way without pulseaudio to be able to hear the audio on the main output from a usb capture device while capturing from it? |
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| 12:46.25 | sneex | About the vpn, near as I see the Group passwd isnt sticking any more and the vpn just takes the 1st user acct passwd -- which is wrong as I am logged in as me not them :P |
| 12:46.57 | t3ngu | cantido: if i remember correct you need to set an option to the alsa config, to 'bridge' the input with output. |
| 12:47.37 | cantido | t3ngu: I know with normal inputs (like a mic or something) you enable capture to hear the audio.. but nothing like that seems to work for this usb thing |
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| 12:48.33 | t3ngu | cantido: :( its been a while since i had anything w/o pulse that produces sound though. nor have I any platform to even check it... |
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| 12:48.56 | cantido | This seems like the only thing that pulseaudio is actually useful for |
| 12:49.00 | cantido | *sigh* |
| 12:49.05 | t3ngu | well, jackd can do it prolly too then |
| 12:49.08 | t3ngu | :) |
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| 12:49.24 | cantido | That's a good point |
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| 12:49.26 | t3ngu | (and pulse is Royal in network sound card) |
| 12:49.44 | cantido | refuses to use pulseaudio, systemd etc |
| 12:49.57 | t3ngu | good, you have convictions :) |
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| 12:50.10 | satdav_ | !info python-django |
| 12:50.46 | jem^ | has anyone worked out how to change a file association and make it stick? .pls files keep opening with Totem despite me trying to change it to Audacious |
| 12:50.48 | satdav_ | see bots down |
| 12:50.52 | satdav_ | for maintance |
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| 12:52.15 | bniels | !tell satdav_ about django |
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| 12:52.55 | satdav_ | bniels, trying to see what build you have got in the apt for it |
| 12:53.04 | t3ngu | jem^: i think the file you need is the : /usr/share/gnome/applications/defaults.list |
| 12:53.06 | satdav_ | as i know ubuntu is using 3 builds out |
| 12:53.18 | bniels | judd: v python-django |
| 12:53.19 | judd | Package: python-django on i386 -- lenny: 1.0.2-1+lenny3; lenny-security: 1.0.2-1+lenny3; lenny-backports: 1.1.1-1~bpo50+1; squeeze-security: 1.2.3-3+squeeze2; squeeze: 1.2.3-3+squeeze3; squeeze-security: 1.2.3-3+squeeze3; squeeze-backports: 1.4-1~bpo60+1; squeeze-backports: 1.4.2-1~bpo60+2; sid: 1.4.3-1; wheezy: 1.4.3-1 |
| 12:53.54 | satdav_ | so wheezy is the latest |
| 12:54.05 | satdav_ | is that on server yet |
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| 12:54.29 | bniels | wheezy is testing |
| 12:54.49 | bniels | what do you mean by "is that on server yet"? |
| 12:54.50 | satdav_ | OK |
| 12:55.03 | satdav_ | for web servers |
| 12:55.42 | bniels | sorry, i don't understand what you mean |
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| 12:56.09 | satdav_ | like on a hosting enviroment |
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| 12:56.31 | jem^ | t3ngu: I found ~/.local/share/applications/mimeapps.list instead and modified that |
| 12:56.34 | jem^ | seems to have worked |
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| 12:56.51 | bniels | i know what a web server is. i'm asking you what you meant by your question "is that on server yet" ... if that was a question at all |
| 12:57.01 | t3ngu | jem^ thats correct. but thats for you only not all the users in the system. |
| 12:57.08 | t3ngu | but of course it is fine |
| 12:57.13 | Hardisk | Hi ! I'm trying to mount an USB Western Digital 6 Tera drive on a Dell rack server . The mount command recognised it as a FAT driven when it's an HFS drive. The drives it mounts using FAT is empty and attempts to mount it as HFS have failed with an error unrecognized filesystem. Any pointers? Thanks! |
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| 12:57.28 | jem^ | just a shame changing the setting via the GUI wouldn't stick |
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| 12:57.55 | jem^ | HFS is a variant of fat isn't it? |
| 12:57.56 | t3ngu | jem^ i despise guis |
| 12:58.00 | jem^ | can you force the fs type when you mount? |
| 12:58.15 | SomeoneWeird | mount -t type |
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| 12:59.01 | jem^ | actually, I think I'm confused |
| 12:59.24 | jem^ | it's some other filesystem that is a non-standard variant of FAT |
| 12:59.30 | Hardisk | HFS is the Apple format, I'm using the T argument |
| 12:59.31 | jem^ | can't remember which |
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| 12:59.48 | t3ngu | jem^ mount -t |
| 12:59.49 | t3ngu | :) |
| 13:00.07 | Hardisk | and i'm having the unrecognized filesystem error using -t hfs |
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| 13:00.27 | t3ngu | fdisk -l what kind of partition does it see? |
| 13:00.34 | BadCodSmell | How can I manage my gnome keyring from the command line in debian 6.0.6? |
| 13:00.48 | BadCodSmell | There is some shit in there and I want it gone. |
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| 13:01.19 | BadCodSmell | Reverting it back to as newly installed is also fine. |
| 13:01.23 | Trewas | jem^: there is exFAT, a newer variant of FAT from microsoft, I don't know how much they actually have in common (except for name) |
| 13:01.36 | jem^ | it's not that I'm thinking of |
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| 13:02.01 | Hardisk | Actually the drive isn't plugging into the machine right now , hang on |
| 13:02.39 | Hardisk | (Also, cat /var/log/messages shows that it finds the drive correctly) |
| 13:04.26 | Hardisk | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:05.16 | frostschutz | Hardisk: parted /dev/sdb print |
| 13:05.50 | Hardisk | Number Start End Size File system Name Flags 1 20,5kB 210MB 210MB fat32 EFI System Partition boot 2 210MB 6001GB 6001GB hfs+ Untitled |
| 13:06.12 | frostschutz | Hardisk: file -s /dev/sdb2? |
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| 13:06.50 | Hardisk | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:07.01 | Hardisk | Uuuh so this is where this mysterious FAT partition comes from |
| 13:07.05 | frostschutz | Hardisk: grep hfs /proc/filesystem? |
| 13:07.06 | t3ngu | hardisk mount -t hfsplus -o ro ? |
| 13:07.09 | Hardisk | random 200mo partition from the dic |
| 13:07.32 | frostschutz | filesystem*s* sorry |
| 13:07.33 | Hardisk | frostschutz: hfsplus |
| 13:07.38 | Hardisk | t3ngu: trying right away |
| 13:07.47 | Hardisk | frostschutz: I corrected ;) |
| 13:07.48 | frostschutz | mount should be able to figure it without -t then |
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| 13:08.06 | Hardisk | Mount mounted the FAT partition |
| 13:08.12 | Hardisk | trying t3ngu 's command right now |
| 13:08.13 | frostschutz | oh well that's good |
| 13:09.01 | Hardisk | root@cigale:/home/olivier# mount -t hfsplus -o ro /dev/sdb2 ARCHIVES/ t3ngu |
| 13:09.23 | Hardisk | mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/sdb2, missing codepage or helper program, or other error In some cases useful info is found in syslog - try dmesg | tail or so |
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| 13:09.35 | Hardisk | Wich is what I don't get why wrong fs type? |
| 13:09.47 | t3ngu | allow me a min |
| 13:09.55 | frostschutz | Hardisk: anything in dmesg after that? |
| 13:09.59 | Hardisk | Since sdb1 is the useless 200 mo fat partition and sdb2 is the HFS+ 6 terabyte data partition |
| 13:10.03 | Hardisk | frostschutz: good call, hang on |
| 13:10.19 | Hardisk | AHA ! |
| 13:10.20 | Hardisk | [164171.776127] hfs: volumes larger than 2TB are not supported yet [164171.776157] hfs: unable to find HFS+ superblock |
| 13:10.26 | frostschutz | ouch |
| 13:10.28 | Hardisk | Larger than 2TB, I'm 6TB |
| 13:10.32 | t3ngu | well |
| 13:10.33 | t3ngu | :) |
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| 13:10.36 | frostschutz | didn't know that, never used hfs myself |
| 13:10.37 | Hardisk | hm |
| 13:10.43 | t3ngu | boot macos |
| 13:10.44 | Hardisk | At least I know why haha :) |
| 13:10.52 | t3ngu | break the partitions, move files around and retry :) |
| 13:11.00 | Hardisk | Yeah |
| 13:11.05 | frostschutz | Hardisk: which kernel version though? |
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| 13:11.26 | Hardisk | frostschutz: Installed 6.0.6 2 days ago from official ISO : 2.6.32-5-amd64 |
| 13:11.53 | Hardisk | frostschutz: t3ngu So is this a limitation with the journaled thing?` |
| 13:12.28 | t3ngu | HardDisk: its a foreign FS ported to linux. there are many limitations. |
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| 13:12.55 | Hardisk | Oh sure, not blaming, i'm wondering :) |
| 13:13.07 | frostschutz | Hardisk: I'm asking because grepping the kernel sources I can't find this error message |
| 13:13.12 | frostschutz | Hardisk: but I'm running 3.7 ;) |
| 13:13.53 | Hardisk | frostschutz: Oh well I guess 3.7 isn't into official Debian yet, i'm running an up-to-date Squeeze installed 2 days ago |
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| 13:14.52 | frostschutz | http://www.spinics.net/lists/linux-fsdevel/msg42242.html seems there've been some patches back in 2011. if the issue is that old surely it should be fixed by now? |
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| 13:15.48 | Hardisk | frostschutz: I guess it's still unstable if the patch hasn't made it's way in Debian as of today |
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| 13:16.25 | Hardisk | frostschutz: Is the Debian NTFS support complete in Read and Write? I would prefer simply formatting the drive to NTFS rather than compiling my own kernel with the patch, faster for me |
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| 13:17.06 | bobweaver | anyone know if there is a xml api for applications that are in main ? |
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| 13:17.11 | ksk | yes, you can safely write on ntfs disk with debian these days |
| 13:17.12 | frostschutz | You could probably just pin the kernel from testing or something. |
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| 13:17.36 | Hardisk | Allright i'll do just that |
| 13:17.41 | frostschutz | Hardisk: NTFS sucks in Linux in general. There is ntfs-3g but it's slow especially for writes, and produces horribly fragmented files |
| 13:17.51 | trist4n | lol |
| 13:17.52 | trist4n | dat fuse |
| 13:17.57 | t3ngu | true. |
| 13:18.01 | Hardisk | Thanks to all of you guys and frostschutz & t3ngu for the help :) |
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| 13:18.17 | t3ngu | yw |
| 13:18.19 | Hardisk | The disk has to be used on Windows , Mac and the Linux server |
| 13:18.28 | Hardisk | So I can't do a lot here :D |
| 13:18.31 | t3ngu | hardisk i would make an nfs/smb shared folder |
| 13:18.39 | Hardisk | If it was for me i'll just format it ext3 and done |
| 13:18.55 | t3ngu | so it wont mind the FS |
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| 13:20.07 | frostschutz | does windowss support hfs+? :-O |
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| 13:20.25 | t3ngu | frostschutz: dont think so |
| 13:20.27 | thyphus | frostschutz: with a 3rd party tool, yes |
| 13:20.54 | t3ngu | thus i said network shared folder. you avoid all this incopabilities |
| 13:20.59 | thyphus | e.g. Paragon HFS+ |
| 13:21.38 | thyphus | frostschutz: http://rony.codename7.de/?p=122 |
| 13:21.46 | Cronoh | hi i am pretty new with debian, if i wanted to run some email (I need admin@ to validate my domain for SSL Cert) is there something i can isntall using apt-get or other method that is free and maybe supports forwarding email addresses and such ? |
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| 13:24.52 | thyphus | Cronoh: you have to change the mx records of your domain to the ip of your server and install/configure a mailserver (e.g. postfix or exim4) |
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| 13:25.19 | Cronoh | ok is ptfix and exim4 the best/most popular/would you recommend ? |
| 13:25.22 | Cronoh | postfix* |
| 13:25.50 | thyphus | Cronoh: but i would prefer http://google.com/apps |
| 13:26.14 | thyphus | Cronoh: yes. but for your need google apps would be the best way |
| 13:26.28 | thyphus | imho |
| 13:26.32 | bniels | he hasn't even clearly stated what his needs are |
| 13:26.55 | thyphus | bniels: he need to validate his domain via a admin@domain.tld mail address |
| 13:27.06 | DeltaHeavy | I'm on a 3rd gen i3 laptop running @ 2.4GHz with Debian in VirtualBox. It feels really laggy when I try to switch between desktops in GNOME2 and also somewhat when alt-tabbing into other Windows. I'm using the stable version of Debian and was wondering maybe because of the more conservative package updates, that might what be causing it to run poorly on VirtualBox. Anybody have any similar experiences or thoughts? |
| 13:27.10 | thyphus | normal process with certs |
| 13:27.33 | Cronoh | well i would eventually like to run a full email server if i could, my company is using IIS with exchange right now and we're moving to my new system which will be on debian, so i would like to be able to replace everyones email eventually but for now i need simple stuff |
| 13:27.40 | bniels | thyphus, he wants to run "email". he didn't state what he means by "email". maybe he also wants pop3/imap? maybe a web interface? |
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| 13:28.08 | Cronoh | if the full solution is not that difficult, i would go there |
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| 13:28.44 | thyphus | migrate from exchange to postfix/exim4/googlemail/whatever? not the best idea imo |
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| 13:29.00 | Cronoh | can you explain why ? i am a noob to email servers tbh |
| 13:29.17 | t3ngu | cronoh so say we all |
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| 13:29.36 | Cronoh | lol ;) |
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| 13:30.30 | thyphus | Cronoh: try google "exchange vs postfix" |
| 13:32.11 | bniels | i guess exchange is not just an MTA. that would be a very lacking comparison then |
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| 13:42.02 | DeltaHeavy | I'm on a 3rd gen i3 laptop running @ 2.4GHz with Debian in VirtualBox. It feels really laggy when I try to switch between desktops in GNOME2 and also somewhat when alt-tabbing into other Windows. I'm using the stable version of Debian and was wondering maybe because of the more conservative package updates, that might what be causing it to run poorly on VirtualBox. Anybody have any similar experiences or thoughts? |
| 13:42.13 | DeltaHeavy | Integrated graphics btw |
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| 13:45.38 | BadCodSmell | Where can I find the build scripts used to make the debian install cds (for example, 6.0.6 netinstall)? |
| 13:46.12 | BadCodSmell | Or is it closed source? |
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| 13:48.18 | sylar | kernel: [13930267.336454] Buffer I/O error on device fd0, logical block 0 |
| 13:48.33 | sylar | kernel: [13930279.504603] end_request: I/O error, dev fd0, sector 0 |
| 13:48.37 | tictacbum | BadCodSmell: take a look at http://wiki.debian.org/DebianCustomCD |
| 13:48.50 | sylar | I get lots of these kernel messages when trying to open gparted |
| 13:48.59 | BadCodSmell | tictacbum: I want the actual build scripts used to make the official media |
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| 13:49.32 | tictacbum | BadCodSmell: then I don't know where to find it, but I'm pretty sure it's open source |
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| 13:49.40 | morphRx | too |
| 13:49.56 | BadCodSmell | I would think somewhere they have a build environment and automate this stuff. |
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| 13:53.41 | sylar | and i dont even have a floppy |
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| 13:55.40 | Achylles | How do I install Arch in a windows 8 laptop with all that EFI issues? |
| 13:56.25 | ksk | Achylles: this is #debian |
| 13:56.44 | Achylles | Sorry |
| 13:56.55 | Achylles | I mean debian |
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| 14:06.08 | ChrisH | sylar: no Floppy Disk -> ignore that error and maybe verify BIOS Settings to have no Floppy active there. |
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| 14:13.11 | wdouglass | hi all...i've got a bluetooth question. I'm running weezy, and when i try to connect my headset it says "please wait while finishing setup" and just hangs. how can i troubleshoot this? |
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| 14:34.38 | ChrisH | wdouglass: there are some btdump binaries out. so you could at least check if there is a communication between the PC and Headset ongoing |
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| 14:44.49 | ChrisH | wdouglass: search a bit in my bio-memory and suggest: man hcitool and man hcidump (in bluez-hcidump) |
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| 14:59.56 | Scatterbrain | Hi, any recommendations for a light weight video player? |
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| 15:00.22 | ceil | Scatterbrain: mplayer |
| 15:00.28 | t3ngu | i like mplayer Scatterbrain |
| 15:00.34 | ceil | i tend to launch it from the command line with no gui :p |
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| 15:00.50 | ceil | (the man page is good for some light reading, too) |
| 15:00.53 | t3ngu | ceil +1 |
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| 15:01.41 | Scatterbrain | ceil: does the package in squeeze repos have the gui? I'd rather not |
| 15:01.58 | ceil | Scatterbrain: you can get mplayer by itself. just apt-get install mplayer |
| 15:02.07 | Scatterbrain | ok thanks |
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| 15:02.13 | ceil | for a gui it'd be gmplayer or whatever else an apt-cache search could find for it :p |
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| 15:02.53 | t3ngu | ceil: if you fix the mimetype, it can open w/o gui |
| 15:02.57 | t3ngu | from nautilus |
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| 15:03.34 | ceil | t3ngu: bash is my file manager :p |
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| 15:04.09 | t3ngu | well you are right, (could also be ksh, or zsh easily) |
| 15:04.19 | ceil | only time i've ever used nautilus was sorting wallpapers cos it's easier to do in a file manager with icons than doing it with geeqie :p |
| 15:04.21 | t3ngu | i mentioned it more for mr Scatterbrain |
| 15:04.33 | t3ngu | i dont even run anything gnomish/kde-ish either |
| 15:05.32 | ceil | gnome3 is pretty cool |
| 15:06.01 | ceil | i broke e16 and uninstalled it only to find out it's not in testing's repos and, being lazy, installed gnome rather than try it from source :p |
| 15:07.04 | t3ngu | i on the other hand moved from gnome to e17 |
| 15:07.05 | t3ngu | :) |
| 15:07.14 | ceil | e17's buggy for me |
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| 15:07.34 | t3ngu | it does have some big bugs |
| 15:07.40 | t3ngu | size of a beetle |
| 15:07.47 | ceil | a goliath beetle :p |
| 15:08.00 | ceil | so i'll stick with gnome for now |
| 15:08.00 | ceil | t's not so bad these days :) |
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| 15:08.16 | t3ngu | at least we have the chance to chose :) |
| 15:08.23 | ceil | word :) |
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| 15:16.05 | SPF | ChrisH_: there was a netsplit |
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| 15:20.45 | Cira | I'm a little confused about what bootstrapping is. A guide I'm reading said to do it. I've googled bootstraping and I got a couple of articles going on about it having to do something with booting. Instead when I did it, it compiled what I wanted compiled in the current directory. |
| 15:20.46 | Cira | Can someone explain in layman's terms what ./bootstrap does? |
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| 15:22.35 | tommy_e | Cira, I'd say it's just a generic term for "getting off the ground". in our Zope buildouts, we do a bootstrap to "prime" the rest of the build system (figures out paths, and sets up the required variables for the actual compilers etc) |
| 15:23.07 | tommy_e | Cira, but I've heard the term used for all sorts of different technologies |
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| 15:26.44 | Cira | thanks tommy_e, not a whole lot clearer tho... guess I'll dig deeper |
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| 15:36.36 | jhutchins | Cira: The concept is that of pulling oneself up by one's own bootstraps. In computers, it's usually synonymous with the Initial Program Load - the process of initiating the system, loading code to various registers and executing it so that it loads the system. |
| 15:37.19 | jhutchins | Cira: It sounds like you have installed some sort of package that is meant to compile and install code, and that there is a 'bootstrap' script which initiates this process. |
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| 15:38.24 | jhutchins | Cira: Without knowing what you installed from where, we can't really tell you much about what it is or what it does. If you read the script, or better yet the documentation that came with the package, you could probably tell us more about it than we could tell you, although we might be able to explain some technical points - expecially if they were specific to Debian. |
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| 15:40.16 | mwargh | !xy |
| 15:40.16 | dpkg | People often falsely diagnose problems because they are looking too closely at a problem: they have got stuck at a particular point (Y) doing something (X) and so ask about step Y, not realising that there is an easier or better way to do X in the first place. See http://mywiki.wooledge.org/XyProblem |
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| 15:43.46 | mwargh | sorry, needed the phrase. carry on |
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| 15:46.07 | linuxthefish | !sources |
| 15:46.07 | dpkg | The list of repositories for installing packages is /etc/apt/sources.list and has lines like "deb http://http.debian.net/debian/ squeeze main" and "deb http://security.debian.org/ squeeze/updates main". Be sure to run "aptitude update" after editing sources.list. Also see <mirrors> <apt-spy> <squeeze updates> <squeeze security> and "man sources.list". |
| 15:46.19 | linuxthefish | !mirrors |
| 15:46.19 | dpkg | Debian mirror sites are listed at http://www.debian.org/mirror/list and ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt and http://deb.li/map ; ask me about <apt-spy>, <netselect-apt>, <http.debian.net>, <geo sources.list> and <debian mirror checker>. To make a mirror, see http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ ; see also <debmirror>, <apt-mirror>, <mirror size>. #debian-mirrors on irc.oftc.net. |
| 15:46.24 | linuxthefish | :S |
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| 15:47.28 | linuxthefish | debian has to be the only OS with messed up source shit... |
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| 15:49.56 | lucho | Hi all! |
| 15:50.18 | lucho | How do you kill a TCP/IP connection? |
| 15:51.05 | wols_ | by killing the process which opened it |
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| 15:53.48 | lucho | wols_: It will close all opened connections by this process? |
| 15:54.04 | wols_ | yes |
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| 15:54.22 | lucho | wols_: Thanks, but is not a solution for me.. |
| 15:54.27 | ChrisH_ | lucho: OS will do that. They might stay in some X_wait state for a while. |
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| 15:56.43 | ChrisH_ | lucho: from http://stackoverflow.com/questions/8326058/how-to-kill-tcp-connection-with-close-wait-state (searched for 'ndd kill tcp linux') it suggests to use tcpkill from dsniff (ndd would be a solution Solaris) |
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| 15:57.40 | lucho | ChrisH_: Thanks ;) |
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| 16:07.48 | linuxthefish | why does apt-get always get stuck on "waiting for headers" |
| 16:07.51 | linuxthefish | ??? |
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| 16:08.21 | Towzzer | unable to resolve the server? |
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| 16:09.11 | linuxthefish | the debian sources are always broken then... |
| 16:09.21 | t3ngu | cat /etc/resolv.conf |
| 16:09.21 | linuxthefish | it's fine on all other OS's |
| 16:09.41 | linuxthefish | nameserver 192.168.0.10 |
| 16:09.41 | linuxthefish | nameserver 192.168.0.11 |
| 16:09.59 | t3ngu | ping yahoo.com for example resolves it? |
| 16:10.21 | linuxthefish | PING yahoo.com (206.190.36.45) 56(84) bytes of data. |
| 16:10.22 | linuxthefish | yep |
| 16:10.29 | linuxthefish | i've changed to google DNS |
| 16:10.33 | babilen | linuxthefish: Could you try a different nameserver (say "nameserver 8.8.8.8" in /etc/resolv.conf) |
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| 16:10.57 | linuxthefish | babilen: done it and still waiting for headers... |
| 16:10.59 | babilen | ah, you've done that already. Does that solve the problem with apt-get (or at least speed it up) ? Which mirror are you using? |
| 16:11.06 | linuxthefish | uh |
| 16:11.24 | babilen | linuxthefish: Could you paste your sources.list and the output of "apt-get update" to http://paste.debian.net ? |
| 16:11.34 | babilen | !show sources.list |
| 16:11.34 | dpkg | Please pastebin the contents of your /etc/apt/sources.list and /etc/apt/sources.list.d/*.list. The easiest way to do this is to pastebin the output of: find /etc/apt/ -name '*.list' -printf "\n%p:\n" -exec cat {} \; |
| 16:11.53 | woshty | is there anything newer/better than scponly? |
| 16:12.18 | babilen | woshty: haven't heard of anything - haven't checked as well though, so … |
| 16:12.34 | linuxthefish | dpkg: http://paste.debian.net/225703/ |
| 16:12.35 | dpkg | no idea, linuxthefish |
| 16:12.39 | babilen | judd: bug #650590 |
| 16:12.40 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/650590 in ftp.debian.org (closed, sid, wheezy): «RM: scponly -- RoQA; RC buggy, unmaintained, replacement exists»; severity: important; opened: 2011-11-30; last modified: 2012-02-21. |
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| 16:13.03 | woshty | babilen: yeah, same here |
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| 16:13.17 | babilen | woshty: Doesn't look as if scponly is a good idea ^^^ Pleae check the bug report, most of the RM ones contain pointers to alternatives. |
| 16:13.29 | babilen | linuxthefish: dpkg is a bot :) |
| 16:13.34 | linuxthefish | :/ |
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| 16:14.11 | woshty | babilen: yeah, it isnt in wheezy i just realized .. |
| 16:14.16 | t3ngu | linuxthefish: can you telnet to ftp.debian.org on port 80 ? |
| 16:14.24 | babilen | Using ftp.debian.org is a very bad idea .. |
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| 16:14.45 | t3ngu | i agree |
| 16:14.46 | t3ngu | but stull |
| 16:14.48 | t3ngu | still* |
| 16:15.00 | t3ngu | he should be able to connect to port 80 |
| 16:15.06 | linuxthefish | Connected to ftp.debian.org. |
| 16:15.24 | babilen | yeah, not saying that investigating /that/ is a bad, idea, but I would recommend to just switch to "deb http://http.debian.net/debian/ squeeze-updates main" for squeeze-updates too |
| 16:15.48 | t3ngu | yes you are more than right |
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| 16:16.21 | linuxthefish | can someone post what they have in their sources.list ? |
| 16:16.31 | woshty | babilen: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/590 seems really nice |
| 16:16.49 | t3ngu | linuxthefish: i am unable to help. Its the time that I will leave for home |
| 16:16.51 | t3ngu | sorry. |
| 16:16.57 | linuxthefish | ok |
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| 16:17.21 | t3ngu | laters everyone. |
| 16:17.24 | SNow | hi guys, I am updating squeeze to wheezy and I got |
| 16:17.25 | SNow | dpkg-deb: file `/var/cache/apt/archives/linux-libc-dev_3.2.35-2_i386.deb' contains ununderstood data member data.tar.xz , giving up |
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| 16:19.34 | sney | SNow, try installing xz-utils |
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| 16:21.59 | babilen | linuxthefish: A complete sources.list for squeeze would look like http://paste.debian.net/225711/ |
| 16:22.15 | babilen | "ununderstood" :-/ |
| 16:23.10 | linuxthefish | thanks |
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| 16:23.39 | StryKaizer2 | lol. For some reason I have a directory named "--help" without the quotes |
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| 16:23.56 | StryKaizer2 | removing it is kinda tricky, as it shows help for the remove command :D Anyone? |
| 16:24.08 | linuxthefish | rm -rf "--help" |
| 16:24.10 | linuxthefish | with the quotes |
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| 16:24.21 | StryKaizer2 | linuxthefish, thx ;) |
| 16:24.34 | babilen | StryKaizer2: Try "rm -- --help" the "--" means "end of options" |
| 16:25.12 | StryKaizer2 | babilen, thx, linuxthefish's solution did not work for some reason, yours did |
| 16:26.19 | babilen | StryKaizer2: That way you can also remove files named * or -rf or - or whatever ... |
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| 16:55.41 | cantoma | hey guys, I am trying to mount a drive throw cifs. My username password has some characters such as "!". As a result, by doing this => mount -t cifs -o username=server_user,password=secret //192.168.44.100/share /path_to/mount I am getting this ==> bash: !": event not found |
| 16:56.08 | ksk | cantoma: esace it |
| 16:56.14 | ksk | escape |
| 16:56.26 | cantoma | like this ==> \! |
| 16:56.28 | ksk | like "\!" |
| 16:56.31 | cantoma | ok |
| 16:56.55 | cantoma | ksk, thank |
| 16:56.59 | ksk | yw |
| 16:57.00 | cantoma | thanks |
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| 16:57.35 | floogy | Hi, I got issues with utf-8 characters and /bin/ls under debian when connected through putty. |
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| 16:57.48 | wols_ | then tell putty to use UTF-8 |
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| 16:59.19 | floogy | I did already in settings>window>translation>character set translation on receiving data (utf-8) |
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| 17:00.44 | wols_ | floogy: pastebin the output of locale |
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| 17:05.24 | floogy | wols_, http://pastie.org/5709585 |
| 17:06.49 | wols_ | floogy: can you create äöü? |
| 17:07.02 | wols_ | did these show alright just now? |
| 17:07.55 | floogy | yes I can type öäüß etc. and touch such a file which echo/file/identify ok, but didn't show the right character with /bin/ls |
| 17:08.16 | wols_ | but only some of them it seems... |
| 17:08.35 | floogy | some of what? |
| 17:09.00 | floogy | Ah, ok, they are not right encoded |
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| 17:12.25 | floogy | wols_, oops you're right. http://pastie.org/5709611 It seems that the one wich appears right isn't utf-8 encoded http://pastie.org/5709611 |
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| 17:14.08 | floogy | So utf-8 doesn't work at all and /bin/ls has got issues on iso8859-1 too. |
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| 17:16.12 | floogy | Yes, and yesterday I was able to type öäüß in that putty. Maybe putty isn't set right yet, pls. wait a moment. |
| 17:18.28 | floogy | settings>window>translation>character set translation on receiving data (utf-8) was resetted. I'll open it in utf-8 again. |
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| 17:18.50 | jhutchins | floogy: Putty/Windows are responsible for rendering the actual characters you see. |
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| 17:20.09 | floogy | Ok, it works. |
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| 17:20.59 | floogy | But ls not |
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| 17:21.03 | floogy | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:21.03 | floogy | T?rkisWei?_600x400.jfif.bak T??rkisWei?? T??rkisWei??_600x400.jfif |
| 17:21.21 | Innocentus | hi |
| 17:21.51 | Innocentus | so there are three vms running on a server and those three vms should be somehow connected to the outside world |
| 17:21.53 | Innocentus | by hostname |
| 17:22.08 | Innocentus | so when I request www.domain1.tld, the vm1 should get the request |
| 17:22.17 | floogy | Hm, I'm not able to type umlauts, though. |
| 17:22.22 | Innocentus | and so on - but how to do this? the gate would have to understand some http, right? |
| 17:22.48 | jhutchins | Innocentus: nope. DNS would have to point the hostname to an IP on the VM. |
| 17:23.19 | Innocentus | jhutchins: there is no ip of vm, the server on which those three vms are running got one |
| 17:23.29 | Innocentus | jhutchins: on request, the server is asked |
| 17:23.41 | Innocentus | jhutchins: now the server should delegate those requests to each vm depending on domain |
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| 17:24.03 | jhutchins | Innocentus: It would be up to the VM host software to do that, I don't know of any that do. |
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| 17:24.50 | jhutchins | Innocentus: apache is able to delegate different configurations and document roots by hostname. |
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| 17:27.07 | Innocentus | jhutchins: the vms got also ips, but they are internal - they are not exposed to the outside |
| 17:27.19 | floogy | jhutchins, wols_ What are the right settings for putty then? Yesterday I was able to type umlauts in there. |
| 17:27.23 | Innocentus | jhutchins: on each vm there runs a server nginx, apache or whatever - |
| 17:27.32 | Innocentus | floogy: you are using windows for putty? |
| 17:27.37 | floogy | yes |
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| 17:27.54 | mang0 | Hey all. I'm having trouble with resolutions. Xorg isn't reading my EDID, probably due to the fact my main monitor (out of two) is using a VGA > DVI adaptor. I added an option to my xorg.conf to stop it using EDID, and now both monitors are messed up. Any ideas? I'm completely stuck. |
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| 17:28.29 | Innocentus | floogy: alright, you should use utf-8 encoding |
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| 17:28.38 | Innocentus | floogy: you know how to save sessions in putty? |
| 17:28.40 | floogy | Where to put it? |
| 17:28.52 | Innocentus | floogy: first, load the session, but don't connect, just load it |
| 17:28.55 | floogy | settings>window>translation>character set translation on receiving data (utf-8) |
| 17:29.02 | wols_ | mang0: you then have to provide your custom modeline |
| 17:29.19 | Innocentus | floogy: yes |
| 17:29.22 | Innocentus | floogy: I also got this setting |
| 17:29.25 | Innocentus | floogy: and it works? |
| 17:29.57 | floogy | No, I'll do a reconnect to proof it, that last some seconds. |
| 17:30.27 | Innocentus | floogy: wait, you saved the settings to session before? |
| 17:30.39 | Innocentus | floogy: if you don't save the settings to session, it won't work |
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| 17:30.46 | floogy | yes, at least I think so. |
| 17:31.08 | floogy | UTF-8 is in there |
| 17:31.21 | Innocentus | floogy: and now try to type some umlaut, f.ex. 'ä' |
| 17:31.41 | floogy | It takes some seconds to connect |
| 17:31.57 | floogy | sluggish server |
| 17:32.54 | floogy | ö gives(arg 6) |
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| 17:33.10 | floogy | (arg: 6) |
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| 17:33.48 | wols_ | how do you connect with putty? |
| 17:34.01 | mang0 | wols_: I tried setting it with xrandr. It didn't work |
| 17:34.02 | wols_ | do you use a saved session? |
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| 17:34.23 | wols_ | mang0: did I mention xrandr with a single word? |
| 17:35.08 | mang0 | wols_: I tried with xrandr, mode couldn't add. Then in Xorg.conf under "screen 0" subsection display, I added `Modes "3200x1080"` |
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| 17:35.21 | mang0 | Or something similar. Followed the syntax, found it online |
| 17:35.39 | wols_ | mang0: you don't have a 3200x1080 screen. you really don't |
| 17:35.41 | mang0 | Then I restarted x - it still didn't work. That's with no EDID and that added mode line... |
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| 17:35.58 | mang0 | wols_: I do. I have two monitors. One is 1280x1024, my secondary. MY primary is 1920x1080. |
| 17:36.02 | mang0 | My* |
| 17:36.14 | floogy | wols_, Innocentus, ü jumps in bash_history to line 28 (vi /etc/aliases) |
| 17:36.36 | Innocentus | floogy: you are using openssh server? |
| 17:36.52 | floogy | ß and ä prints and does nothing. So it behaves like yesterday ssh within cygwin on that debian server. |
| 17:37.03 | wols_ | mang0: no you do NOT. this means you have a SINGLE monitor with 3200x1080 res |
| 17:37.08 | floogy | But yesterday it worked in putty :( |
| 17:37.30 | wols_ | floogy: answer the actual question |
| 17:37.44 | mang0 | wols_: Ah. Do I have to add two seperate entries under "Monitor" in my xorg.conf then? |
| 17:38.16 | wols_ | one for each monitor |
| 17:39.27 | mang0 | wols_: Right. If I write this and pastebinit, could you make sure it's correct? As you may have guessed, I'm not really in my comfort zone with this sort of problem. |
| 17:39.32 | floogy | yes, ii openssh-server 1:5.5p1-6+squeeze2 |
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| 17:40.27 | Innocentus | floogy: so when you enter umlauts, they are misunderstood as some special commands for scrolling |
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| 17:40.49 | floogy | yes |
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| 17:41.13 | floogy | # dpkg -L openssh-server|grep \/sshd$ |
| 17:41.13 | floogy | /etc/pam.d/sshd |
| 17:41.13 | floogy | /usr/sbin/sshd |
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| 17:45.26 | Innocentus | floogy: just for fun, is the keyboard layout in windows correct for putty? |
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| 17:45.52 | floogy | I don't know. I diodn't changed it over night. |
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| 17:46.33 | Innocentus | just take a look, is the keyboard layout correct or something crazy? (right bottom of screen on the task bar - you have to select the putty window _first_) |
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| 17:49.17 | floogy | Innocentus, I didn't understand what do you mean? A keyboard layout symbol (switcher) at the windows systray? |
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| 17:50.47 | AlexLikeRock | hi, guys, i need a program to recuperate delet data, some one to recommend ? |
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| 17:51.16 | wols_ | for what filesystem? |
| 17:51.56 | Innocentus | floogy: in windows you can set a keyboard layout per application/window - this can be the case |
| 17:52.01 | AlexLikeRock | for a delet partition of NTFS |
| 17:52.05 | AlexLikeRock | of w7 |
| 17:52.15 | wols_ | then ask in #windwos, not in #debian maybe? |
| 17:52.43 | wols_ | tho, for a whole deleted partition: testdisk |
| 17:52.49 | AlexLikeRock | wols_ im working with my debian , |
| 17:53.13 | wols_ | you don't want to even try undelete files on a NTFS partition with Linux |
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| 17:53.21 | floogy | Innocentus, how can I get aware of this or proof it |
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| 17:53.41 | wols_ | floogy: press "z". if it shows as y, it's the wrong one |
| 17:53.46 | wols_ | but that's not the ptroblem imho |
| 17:53.56 | floogy | zyäöüß |
| 17:54.19 | Innocentus | floogy: for your irc client there can be a different layout than for putty |
| 17:54.24 | Innocentus | floogy: this isn't a proof |
| 17:54.43 | wols_ | floogy: so in the irc clients, umlauts work, but in bash, they don't? |
| 17:55.02 | floogy | yes, but it's the same in all programs and in the putty settings dialog too. |
| 17:55.15 | AlexLikeRock | wols_ : if you don't help , dot open your mount |
| 17:55.27 | AlexLikeRock | eny one more ? |
| 17:55.33 | wols_ | go away with your windows problems |
| 17:55.42 | mang0 | wols_: How would I find out the HorizSync and VertRefresh? |
| 17:55.47 | AlexLikeRock | this don help "then ask in #windwos," |
| 17:55.56 | floogy | testdisk |
| 17:56.00 | wols_ | mang0: monitor depdendent |
| 17:56.09 | AlexLikeRock | it not window$ problem , IT S PARTITON AND DATE LOSER ! |
| 17:56.21 | wols_ | floogy: I already suggested that. but obviously he didn't like my advice |
| 17:56.30 | mang0 | wols_: Found it in my OSD, :) |
| 17:56.36 | AlexLikeRock | wols_ : it not window$ problem , IT S PARTITON AND DATE LOSER ! |
| 17:56.36 | floogy | yes I see |
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| 17:57.08 | floogy | AlexLikeRock, gpart maybe will help too. |
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| 17:57.37 | AlexLikeRock | tanks floogy , i will see... |
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| 17:58.04 | floogy | testdisk would be a bit nicier to use, I think. |
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| 18:02.16 | cantoma | hey guys, I am trying to mount a drive throw cifs and I have managed to do it directly by command line. However, I am also trying to use a credential file that contains my username and password. This is causing the common error "mount error(13): Permission denied". A summary of the commands that I am using is as follows: http://pastebin.com/Lv5YE8uM |
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| 18:02.55 | floogy | wols_, Innocentus thank you. I have to stop now. Mybe tomorrow. bye |
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| 18:03.42 | invariant | Which tool implements xpath 1.0 best? |
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| 18:05.39 | mang0 | http://paste.debian.net/225749/ |
| 18:05.44 | mang0 | wols_: how's that looking? ^ |
| 18:06.03 | mang0 | Do I need to somewhere specify "left of" or "right of", wols_? |
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| 18:06.54 | wols_ | mang0: better. but I wouldn't know if it works. you have to try it |
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| 18:10.07 | mang0 | wols_: Wish me luck - restarting x! |
| 18:10.11 | mang0 | Be back in a mo. |
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| 18:20.27 | mang0 | wols_: Halfway there! For some reason my 1280x1024 works fine, but the 1080p one is at 1366x768 or something. I think I've got enough knowledge to fix this now though :) |
| 18:20.31 | mang0 | afk for a mo. |
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| 18:24.49 | leftist | Afternoon. I see the weekly build. is it actually 3 dvd's? cause thats almost 12gig. one would think i am installing OSX ;D |
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| 18:26.04 | babilen | leftist: Which version of Debian do you want to install? On what kind of hardware and for what purpose? Do you have a working internet connection during the installation? How would you connect to the internet if that is the case? |
| 18:26.52 | babilen | leftist: You typically don't need the DVDs at all if you are connected to the internet. We simply provide them so that people /without/ a working connection can still use Debian. The entirety of the Debian archive is on all DVDs |
| 18:27.26 | leftist | 64bit babilen |
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| 18:27.44 | leftist | actually i am getting at right now doing a net install |
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| 18:28.12 | DerZauberer | hey ppl |
| 18:28.12 | leftist | thanks for your assistance |
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| 18:29.51 | leftist | geez the vmware image is 40gig expanded? sheesh. |
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| 18:30.25 | xsappyx | cantoma: make sure there are no leading spaces.. might try locking down the perms too.. man page doesn't say anything but making it RO might help? |
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| 18:30.32 | babilen | leftist: sure, let me know if you need further help. fwiw, we also offer images with firmware on http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/ |
| 18:30.38 | leftist | I could run the world on a c64. Heck my first hdd was 5mb and i thought i was the *hit |
| 18:31.02 | leftist | really babilen i am interested in that for certian. |
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| 18:36.23 | yeehi | Just installed Wheezy Gnome. Cannot get wireless connection. Set network-manager-gnome setting to "managed", wireless is on, aeroplane mode is off. Here is output of relevant commands: http://pastebin.com/uhM9AuEa lspci -nniwconfiglspci -klspci lspci |
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| 18:37.11 | yeehi | I don't believe additional drivers are necessary, as the laptop works ok with fully free software |
| 18:38.04 | babilen | yeehi: Amd I bind .. I don't see a single wireless adaptor in the lspci output. Does "lspci -nn|grep -i network" give you something? Which wireless adaptor do you expect to have? |
| 18:38.14 | babilen | yeehi: *Am I blind ? |
| 18:38.44 | boudiccas | yeehaw: what is this 'aeroplane mode'? sounds like something on your android phone |
| 18:38.51 | yeehi | thank you babilen - just a moment, i will try and check the wireless adapter hardware |
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| 18:39.08 | yeehi | yes, it is an option in network-manager-gnome |
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| 18:40.58 | babilen | yeehi: I don't quite follow. Which wireless adaptor do you have? Does "lspci -nn|grep -i network" or "lsusb" return anything interesting? What is the "aeroplane mode" you are referring to? Do you want to connect via a 3G connection or via wifi? |
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| 18:42.52 | yeehi | Wireless Adapter 1 |
| 18:42.52 | yeehi | Name : Realtek RTL8187B Wireless 802.11b/g 54Mbps USB 2.0 Network Adapter |
| 18:42.53 | yeehi | Network Type : Any |
| 18:43.04 | yeehi | Is this info that helps, babilen? |
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| 18:43.26 | yeehi | I want to connect via wi-fi, not 3g. |
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| 18:44.53 | tuv | how do i find out why my machine has rebooted? i can't see anything suspecious in /var/log/syslog |
| 18:45.23 | babilen | yeehi: yeah, that information helps tremendously. One second please. |
| 18:45.52 | babilen | yeehi: did you install firmware for that device? |
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| 18:46.14 | yeehi | ooh, good! no i didn't install firmware specifically for that, just what came with the DVD |
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| 18:46.36 | yeehi | Thank you for helping me with this, babilen! |
| 18:46.59 | babilen | dpkg: tell yeehi -about RTL8187B |
| 18:47.22 | babilen | yeehi: Are you connected to the internet on that box right now? (via an alternative method) |
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| 18:47.51 | Morn_ | Hello. When I run "ionice -c 3 mv /disk1/fileabc ." the disk latency increases greatly for other processes, even though i scheduled mv to only be able to do disk i/o when idle. |
| 18:47.57 | xsappyx | tuv: what happened? maybe something at the end of the previous dmesg /var/log/dmesg.0 |
| 18:48.08 | babilen | yeehi: Ah, you do /not/ need firmware for that device. Sorry for the misinformation. |
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| 18:48.23 | yeehi | babilen, i am dual booting and can download onto a shared hard drive |
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| 18:48.35 | yeehi | ah, good! |
| 18:48.53 | babilen | yeehi: So, what happens if you click on network manager? What is the output? Are any networks listed? Could you paste the content of /etc/network/interfaces to http://paste.debian.net please? |
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| 18:49.09 | yeehi | No networks are listed |
| 18:49.09 | Morn_ | basically, whenever i move or copy a file to my system disk, the system becomes effectively unresponsive. is this normal? |
| 18:49.40 | babilen | yeehi: Oh, and please include the output of "iwconfig", "ifconfig -a" |
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| 18:50.48 | yeehi | OK, babilen, i will have to go offline and reboot and then paste up the info. Will take 10 minutes. |
| 18:50.55 | xsappyx | Morn_: probably not normal to have an unresponsive system like that.. encrypted disks? |
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| 18:51.14 | babilen | yeehi: Ok, then I need a bit more. Can't you connect via ethernet? what are you using right now? |
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| 18:51.41 | yeehi | now i am using wi-fi on same laptop, different os (windows ) |
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| 18:52.08 | babilen | yeehi: Oh, and also show me the output of "modprobe -r rtl8187 ; modprobe rtl8187 ; dmesg|tail -n23" -- I think that you simply have a network configured in /etc/network/interfaces which prevents network-manager from managing wireless |
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| 18:52.50 | yeehi | Wow! I am talking to the right man here! You know all the things to ask - ok ten minutes and I will paste output |
| 18:53.11 | babilen | yeehi: That is explained on http://wiki.debian.org/NetworkManager -- but I can't be sure. It is a bit hard to debug this with you if you always have to reboot to run commands and try things though .. Is there no way you can speak to us /and/ work on Debian at the same time? |
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| 18:53.56 | krofna_ | How can I merge empty partition with existing one with data safely? |
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| 18:54.07 | babilen | yeehi: Unfortunately I plan to have dinner soon (am kinda hungry) and can not promise to be here when you are back .. Other people here (or on #debian on irc.oftc.net) might be able to help you though. |
| 18:54.09 | Morn_ | xsappyx: yes, both disks are encrypted. i just checked my system load and its 8.12, so this might be the problem. "mv" is a lot of time in R and D state... |
| 18:54.33 | Morn_ | so, ionice is not so nice for encrypted disks? |
| 18:54.44 | yeehi | OK, thanks for the help babilen - you got me started. Enjoy your food now! :) |
| 18:54.46 | babilen | yeehi: I would also try to simply test wireless functionality on the command line. That is you can scan for networks with "ifconfig wlan0 up ; iwlist wlan0 scan ; ifconfig wlan0 down" |
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| 18:55.27 | babilen | yeehi: See http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/HowToUse for other possibilities. One last question though: Did you configure your wireless network during the installation? |
| 18:55.29 | xsappyx | Morn_: I see that with encrypted disks too.. if you run top, you'll see [kcryptd] destroying a core or two.. |
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| 18:56.13 | yeehi | did i configure it? Yes, I think so - it asked me to connect to the wi-fi and i successfully logged into the router signal |
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| 18:57.03 | Morn_ | xsappyx: yes you are right. do you know a solution for this problem? |
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| 18:58.18 | babilen | yeehi!!! |
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| 19:01.12 | mauro | good evening |
| 19:01.15 | Myzqo | Is there any dist based on debian as (mint,ubuntu) but without all the applications, i just want the default drivers for all the io. |
| 19:01.16 | xsappyx | Morn_: renicing those procs from 0 to 5 can help and still keep them pretty high priority.. i usually run 'nice -n19 $cmd' around my mv/rsync/cp commands but im not sure that actually helps at all |
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| 19:03.03 | tuv | xsappyx: dmesg.0 contains only boot messages. it ends exactly like /var/log/dmesg does |
| 19:04.48 | xsappyx | tuv: did you have a random reboot? more than one? |
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| 19:05.37 | tuv | xsappyx: i came back to the machine after about 6 hours, and found it rebooted |
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| 19:05.57 | tuv | after about 12 days of uptime |
| 19:06.14 | tuv | this is the first time this has happened, but it's a new machine |
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| 19:07.10 | mang0 | wols_: Fixed :D |
| 19:07.29 | petn-randall | Has anyone got Debian running on a UEFI system? http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/UEFI_Firmware? |
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| 19:13.02 | babilen | petn-randall: Lots of people did (you need at least the beta4 installer for wheezy though, dailies probably better) for native installer support |
| 19:13.17 | NiLon | why is /var/cache called "cache" when there is actual data? |
| 19:13.39 | babilen | petn-randall: You can get netinstall images with firmware from http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/ |
| 19:14.20 | NoobDeNFS | Is there a sort of "gotcha" config that needs to be edited to get NFS client to work on debian? I have a NFS share coming from a FreeBSD box which I can mount on other *BSD boxes and even from Windows, but for whatever reason, Debian doesn't see it. showmount -e <ip> returns "clnt_create: RPC: Port mapper failure - RPC: Unable to receive" and trying to mount it gives me a timeout. |
| 19:14.22 | babilen | NiLon: because programs cache data there that can be redownloaded/recreated easily |
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| 19:15.38 | NoobDeNFS | I've installed nfs-client, nfs-common, and portmapper packages. I've looked through the related configs, but I've not had any success. Also the various guides I've found for using NFS with debian seem to focus on using debian as a NFS server and have very little info on the client side (I guess it's supposed to just work). I'm using Squeeze amd64 btw. |
| 19:16.00 | NiLon | babilen git daemon for example is using it for storing repo files, that is not something cacheable |
| 19:16.14 | xsappyx | Morn_: did the renice help? |
| 19:17.43 | babilen | NiLon: Well, that might not necessarily be in line with the FHS, but I'd have to know more details and, frankly, don't care as much (right now) -- do you run into problems because of that? |
| 19:18.15 | NoobDeNFS | I'm starting to think that perhaps there's something from the nfs-server package that is required for a client since all of these howtos are talking about setting up both server and client on debian and I've done all of the client side steps, but no luck. Any ideas what might be the problem? I've also tried specifying tcp and udp with the mount options. |
| 19:18.41 | xsappyx | NoobDeNFS: modprobe nfs ? |
| 19:19.02 | xsappyx | NoobDeNFS: you don't need the server bits for the client, just nfs-common usually |
| 19:19.28 | NoobDeNFS | xsappyx: I've tried the modprobe and restarting portmap + nfs-common, but still no change |
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| 19:20.05 | NoobDeNFS | I've also read that NFS requires hostnames, so I added hostnames for client and server in the /etc/hosts on both systems. They are resolving correctly through this. |
| 19:20.14 | babilen | NoobDeNFS: How do you mount it? Anything on the server when you try? (but /me will bbl, so ... just throwing these questions out here) |
| 19:20.31 | NoobDeNFS | mount -t nfs <ip>:<path> /mnt |
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| 19:20.52 | NoobDeNFS | I've also tried with -o tcp, and -o udp, as I found some threads where people said this worked for them, but I still get timeouts when I try to mount |
| 19:21.53 | babilen | NoobDeNFS: And what does that command give you? |
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| 19:22.15 | babilen | it simply times out? And the connection between both boxes is fine? |
| 19:22.45 | NiLon | babilen there is no problem with it atleast for now, but it was just little weird |
| 19:23.14 | NoobDeNFS | I've let the timeout scroll off my screen, but I'll get the exact message in a minute. The server appears to not see the connection from teh client. The 2 machines are connected via a private network between them (ie eth1 on debian directly connected to em1 on freebsd, no switch in between). The 2 computers can communicate with other services correctly. |
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| 19:23.38 | NoobDeNFS | I mean they can SSH between eachother, use Samba, and so on between eachother |
| 19:24.39 | NoobDeNFS | mount.nfs: Connection timed out |
| 19:25.24 | NoobDeNFS | I think teh error from showmount -e <ip> is more helpful: "clnt_create: RPC: Port mapper failure - RPC: Unable to receive |
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| 19:26.38 | NoobDeNFS | Also rpcinfo -p does not list NFS |
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| 19:27.18 | NoobDeNFS | It was not clear ot me if it should be listing NFS. The guides I've read show it, but they're also using debian for a NFS server. So I thought maybe it is only required to be showing for servers. |
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| 19:28.34 | NoobDeNFS_ | My irc connection had dropped |
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| 19:29.05 | NoobDeNFS_ | Last thing I said was that rpcinfo -p does not list NFS. I'm not sure if client needs to show this or just server. The Debian NFS guides show it listed, but those guides are also covering servers not strictly clients. |
| 19:29.25 | jhutchins | NoobDeNFS_: Are you sure the nfs server is actually running? What guide did you use to set it up? |
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| 19:30.05 | NoobDeNFS_ | jhutchins: NFS is running on FreeBSD and I can mount it from other *BSD machines and from windows, so I know that it is running, but perhaps it is incompatible with debian for some reason. |
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| 19:30.40 | jhutchins | NoobDeNFS_: I see from the scrollback that you have successfully mounted from other systems... |
| 19:30.53 | jhutchins | NoobDeNFS_: Which Debian? |
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| 19:31.01 | NoobDeNFS_ | I think that the problem is that I've done something wrong or am missing a package on Debian. Initially I had only did aptitude install nfs-client, which also installed nfs-common. I then restarted portmapper and nfs-common and tried showmount and mount with the errors mentioned ealrier |
| 19:31.07 | jhutchins | NoobDeNFS_: Shouldn't be, nfs should be nfs. |
| 19:31.12 | NoobDeNFS_ | Debian Squeeze amd64 |
| 19:31.23 | jhutchins | NoobDeNFS_: Anything in the bsd logs showing refused connections? |
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| 19:32.23 | jhutchins | NoobDeNFS_: Anything like a firewall between the debian box and the server? |
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| 19:33.57 | NoobDeNFS | webchat died again :\ I am using Debian Squeeze amd64. It is directly connected with crossover cable to my FreeBSD NFS server. they can communicate with other services (ping, SSH, iscsi), so I do not believe it is a networking issue. I will check BSD again for related errors, but I've not seen them yet |
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| 19:34.50 | NoobDeNFS | Only messages I see on the FBSD log coming from my Debian IP is related to iscsi |
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| 19:36.21 | format_c | Hi |
| 19:36.30 | format_c | Anything new about the wheezy release? |
| 19:36.48 | boudiccas | format_c: still frozen, still good |
| 19:37.21 | format_c | Try to get the libcurl4-openssl-dev packages via backports. Seem not to be available via backports right? |
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| 19:38.31 | petn-randall | babilen: I'm actually used the daily wheezy installer to install Debian, however I'm stuck in the bootloader part ... :/ |
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| 19:39.57 | petn-randall | babilen: It's a Lenovo Thinkpad, I can pick to 'UEFI Only' with CSM support, though I'm confused why I can then pick 'UEFI/BIOS' instead of 'UEFI Only' in the menu. |
| 19:40.07 | petn-randall | menu = BIOS menu |
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| 19:41.37 | petn-randall | babilen: If I follow through correctly, I booted the CD with BIOS compatibility mode, which is why installing grub-efi-amd64 failed. |
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| 19:42.43 | petn-randall | babilen: According to http://tanguy.ortolo.eu/blog/article51/debian-efi, you can't change the UEFI bootloader if booted from compat mode. |
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| 19:45.28 | dorp | Is it possible to have a Debian 6 Install on a USB stick, with a partition type - ext4? The documentation mentions FAT16, but I can't understand whether it's strictly FAT16? |
| 19:45.33 | Cira | Any particular reason for aptitude installing erlang R14a instead one of the R15 versions? |
| 19:46.23 | petn-randall | Cira: aptitude only installs what you pick. Or dependencies. Or recommanded packages, if setup like that. |
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| 19:47.03 | Cira | how do I pick R15? |
| 19:47.46 | Cira | ok nvm, erlang's site has instructions for editing apt |
| 19:47.57 | frostschutz | dorp: you can install anywhere you like. as long as the bootloader knows how to load the kernel, and the kernel knows how to mount the root filesystem, anything goes |
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| 19:49.11 | jhutchins | NoobDeNFS: I would expect that iscsi would be more efficient than NFS. |
| 19:49.20 | dorp | frostschutz: I've created a ext4 partition, extracted all the files from the ISO to the partition, I've written the first 446 bytes of the ISO to the MBR of the device, but I keep getting: "isolinux.bin missing or corrupt" |
| 19:49.48 | jhutchins | NoobDeNFS: I don't know what the result of using telnet to test the connection would be, but you could use nmap to see if the client sees the nfs port. |
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| 19:50.23 | NoobDeNFS | jhutchins: nmap shows NFS and while iscsi is more efficient for some things, I do need NFS |
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| 19:50.48 | frostschutz | dorp: ah, you want the install media on usb, not install debian to usb, sorry :D |
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| 19:51.23 | NoobDeNFS | also I have disabled firewalls on both client and server. I'm still thinking there may be some package that needs to be installed that is not found by just installing nfs-client |
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| 19:51.53 | jhutchins | NoobDeNFS: Try passing the options "vs" to the mount command. |
| 19:52.06 | jhutchins | NoobDeNFS: I think that would be -o vs |
| 19:52.47 | confusid | do I have to add my name to the sudoers file? I have group sudo added to me and have %sudo ALL=(ALL) ALL and when I try to use sudo it say's I'm not in the sudoers file. |
| 19:53.49 | NoobDeNFS | If I use -o vs it says an incorrect option was specified. I have used -v in the past and it did not provide any useful information. Just a lot of slightly different connection attempts that all fail |
| 19:53.58 | NoobDeNFS | so I suspect -s is not a valid option in this case |
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| 19:54.55 | Towzzer | conusid, you need to be in the sudo group |
| 19:54.58 | Towzzer | that's what that lines means |
| 19:55.08 | frostschutz | dorp: google debian hd-media there is an image.gz you can dd to usb I believe, if you can empty/format your stick anyway that might be the easiest method |
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| 19:56.14 | boudiccas | petn-randall: is this relevant to you ? http://tanguy.ortolo.eu/blog/article22/efi-boot |
| 19:56.16 | dorp | frostschutz: It's the one being recommended on the Debian documentation? "hd-media/boot.img.gz"? |
| 19:56.29 | frostschutz | dorp: yes. or did you try that already? |
| 19:57.02 | dorp | frostschutz: I've read their documentation, which explicitly specifies FAT16- so I could only conclude that it's good for FAT16? |
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| 19:57.51 | NoobDeNFS | if i mount with -v, I get the different error "mount.nfs: portmap query retrying: RPC: Unable to receive" |
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| 19:58.40 | Towzzer | try mount -t nfs4 |
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| 19:59.15 | frostschutz | dorp: I assume so. I haven't looked at it in detail. The netinst cd itself starts up without ext* and without loop support, so the netinst by itself can not do anything in that regard |
| 19:59.28 | jhutchins | NoobDeNFS: -s is "sloppy", to allow minor errors in connection. |
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| 19:59.38 | frostschutz | dorp: what you can do (and I did for my GRUB USB stick) is put the cd files themselves into initrd |
| 20:00.09 | frostschutz | dorp: so for me grub loads the netinst kernel, the netinst initrd, and the cdrom initrd, and the netinstaller is happy |
| 20:01.17 | NoobDeNFS | jhutchins: I see, that is just -s (no -o) and that doesn't change errors |
| 20:01.56 | NoobDeNFS | the clearest errors I get are all related to RPC |
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| 20:03.50 | jhutchins | NoobDeNFS: I see that. You have probably already done man nfs and looked at the options there. I concur that you should try nfs4. |
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| 20:11.12 | NoobDeNFS | jhutchins: I believe I have NFS4. If I try to specify other versions it gives error about unsupported fs |
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| 20:14.12 | dorp | Well... my conclusion is that I must use FAT16 for installing Debian. I'm open for corrections... |
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| 20:16.19 | jhutchins | dorp: It is possible to install debian to a USB device, it is also possible to use one of the live debian images that have been prepared for these devices. |
| 20:16.51 | jhutchins | dorp: I would either use a prepared image or the installer to create the system rather than the method you appear to be trying. |
| 20:17.00 | niklaswe | does asterisk in debian repo support ConfBrdige ? |
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| 20:17.18 | dorp | jhutchins: But either way, the installer must use a FAT16 partition, right? |
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| 20:17.43 | rozie | dorp: just format that stick as ext4 without journal (probably you want to use stripe too) |
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| 20:17.59 | rozie | or use ext2 (worse choice AFAIK) |
| 20:18.08 | confusid | new install of debian squeeze. I upgraded the kernel and intel video driver from back ports. Now it will not start xorg. |
| 20:18.27 | confusid | is something different? |
| 20:18.30 | jhutchins | dorp: I don't believe that's true. |
| 20:18.47 | jhutchins | dorp: I believe you can use ext filesystems, although I don't know about ext4 specifically. |
| 20:18.53 | yeehi | Hello! I can't connect to wi-fi after installation of Wheezy Gnome, though I was able to connect during installation. The network card doesn't require additional drivers and is supported. Output from the following commands is available: lspci -nn iwconfig lspci -k lspci lspci -nn|grep -i network lsusb iwconfig ifconfig -a modprobe -r rtl8187 modprobe rtl8187 dmesg|tail -n23 http://paste.debian.net/225785/ |
| 20:19.16 | confusid | I used sudo aptitude -t squeeze-backports install xserver-xorg-video-intel and linux-image-amd64 |
| 20:19.31 | jhutchins | dorp: The problem may be with mixing isolinux and ext4. isolinux is a version of syslinux meant to run off of an iso9660 filesystem. |
| 20:19.44 | dorp | jhutchins: The documentation only mentions FAT16, and random googling reveals that things like unetboot require NTFS for Windows, and FAT16 for Linux |
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| 20:20.26 | Innocentus | Imagine a directory which contains a bunch of files - this directory should be brought to another server (via ssh in this case) |
| 20:20.45 | Innocentus | now one could use rsync, or pack it as tar, upload and extract is at the target |
| 20:20.54 | Innocentus | or ssh-transfer the files one by one |
| 20:21.03 | Innocentus | what strategy got most speed / most efficient? |
| 20:22.47 | well_laid_lawn | I'd use tar and netcat |
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| 20:23.27 | beardy | Try it and see. It also depends on your connection. Compression might be beneficial in some cases, in others not. |
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| 20:24.42 | rozie | dorp: you are doing it wrong. treat USB as HDD. that's all |
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| 20:25.26 | dorp | rozie: Apparently it's not? |
| 20:26.05 | frostschutz | rozie: he just wants to boot install media from usb |
| 20:26.33 | jhutchins | dorp: Installers usually use fat16 for a bootable flash drive. It was my impression you were doing something other than an installer. |
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| 20:27.28 | h00ked | hi, there, is here anyone, who have experience with lenovo ideacentre q180 plz? :) |
| 20:27.29 | jhutchins | dorp: In any case, I believe the instructions for installers that tell you to format the drive are obsolete, all the current installers I know use a pre-configured image that is written directly to the device. |
| 20:27.32 | dorp | jhutchins: Do installers use anything but FAT16? |
| 20:27.35 | rozie | frostschutz: so he wants dd iso to usb. that's all |
| 20:28.05 | jhutchins | dorp: By writing the image directly to the drive it eliminates consideration of the filesystem. |
| 20:28.13 | yeehi | babilen, are you there? I have the output for the commands that you thought might help me: http://paste.debian.net/225785/ |
| 20:29.16 | frostschutz | rozie: if that works, why is there a hd-media image that tells you to copy the iso on fat16? outdated? :) |
| 20:31.29 | dorp | frostschutz: Actually it's one of the methods suggested |
| 20:32.21 | frostschutz | dorp: why are you so keen on ext4 on usb anyway? I use ext2 myself but my usb stick boots like a dozen livecds aside from debian |
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| 20:32.37 | rozie | probably. |
| 20:32.42 | rozie | frostschutz: http://www.debian.org/CD/faq/#write-usb |
| 20:33.04 | engla | why not use a newer filesystem with journaling? |
| 20:33.09 | frostschutz | rozie: that's nice |
| 20:33.20 | dorp | frostschutz: You use ext2 for your installer? |
| 20:33.27 | rozie | OK, not all installation images are made that way. but I'd give a try |
| 20:33.41 | confusid | what woud "number of created screens does not match number of deteced devices" mean when trying to start Xserver? |
| 20:33.51 | rozie | engla: journal will kill flash drive |
| 20:33.56 | frostschutz | dorp: not quite. my usb stick uses GRUB; it loads the installer kernel, the installer initrd, and another initrd which contains the cdrom files. |
| 20:34.24 | engla | rozie: it's exaggerated |
| 20:34.27 | frostschutz | dorp: so when the netinst comes up the cdrom files are already there without any need to mount |
| 20:34.49 | frostschutz | engla: it's also a performance penalty |
| 20:35.16 | dorp | frostschutz: Did you happen to follow instructions of Debian or any other resources I could read? Or was it custom-made? |
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| 20:36.20 | engla | pretty sure ext4 will perform better. there's been a lot of years of development of it, too |
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| 20:37.10 | frostschutz | engla: yes, I'm sure it's been optimized for USB sticks with 5MB/s throughput tops... not |
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| 20:37.54 | frostschutz | dorp: custom-made, but it's simple enough, if you already have grub on usb |
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| 20:38.43 | gnat_x | i'm having a hell of a time getting a wildcard certificate from startcom to work with apache2, i admit this might be my own stupidity, however i can't seem to find any good docs about doing that. |
| 20:38.51 | frostschutz | dorp: the question is, why do you bother to make the effort when you can just dd the iso. unless you're making a multiboot-stick like I did, there is no point at all |
| 20:38.54 | gnat_x | does anyone have pointers for what to read. |
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| 20:39.35 | rozie | engla: http://blogofterje.wordpress.com/2012/01/14/optimizing-fs-on-sd-card/ |
| 20:39.40 | jhutchins | gnat_x: startcom should be able to help you. |
| 20:39.40 | dorp | frostschutz: I would like to have multi-partition stick, which isn't possible with the pre-made ISO |
| 20:39.50 | rozie | but my tests didn't confirm that |
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| 20:40.07 | rozie | probably I need to do a little more investigation |
| 20:40.17 | xsappyx | gnat_x: what's wrong? you should only need SSLEngine on, SSLCertificateFile, SSLCertificateKeyFile, SSLCACertificateFile |
| 20:40.26 | xsappyx | gnat_x: for the minimal config anyway |
| 20:40.46 | dorp | frostschutz: I would greatly appreciate if you could send me to the right direction to achieve what you just described |
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| 20:40.56 | rozie | only one flash drive performs better (much better) with ext4, nojournal, strip and sector adjustment |
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| 20:41.11 | gnat_x | xsappyx: hrm. actually i think i might see what i did... |
| 20:41.34 | rozie | dorp: you can put many iso and use grub |
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| 20:41.59 | rozie | http://www.circuidipity.com/multi-boot-usb.html |
| 20:42.16 | dorp | rozie: I could find any materials for that approach, could you give me a hint where to start looking? |
| 20:42.19 | dorp | couldn't* |
| 20:42.28 | rozie | ^^ |
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| 20:42.59 | dorp | grub+debian+multiple+iso ? |
| 20:43.53 | dorp | rozie: Thanks |
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| 20:45.44 | frostschutz | rozie: the problem is getting an iso that actually works that way |
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| 20:53.06 | Guest74354 | hi guys, i want to install debian for home desktop use (web browsing, watching movies, listening to music etc.), the question is as follows. Should i use Squeeze or Wheezy? |
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| 20:53.56 | jhutchins | Guest74354: It would be safest to start out with squeeze and get to know Debian with that. It has full support here, gets prompt updates for security issues, is very stable and reliable. |
| 20:54.18 | gnat_x | hrm. still doing something wrong, getting a Error code: ssl_error_rx_record_too_long |
| 20:54.26 | jhutchins | Guest74354: If you feel you need newer more bleeding-edge features, there are often newer packages of specific programs in backports. |
| 20:55.03 | jhutchins | Guest74354: While wheezy is approaching release, it still has critical bugs and does not get security updates with the same priority as stable. |
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| 20:55.50 | Guest74354 | jhutchins: thanks, i thought to pull the backports repo. Thank you. Kind people, the debian people. I guess i go with stable + bpo. |
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| 20:57.32 | Guest74354 | i guess, that i use apt pinning for backports right? |
| 20:57.32 | jhutchins | Guest74354: backports is for installing specific individual programs, it's not intended as a system-wide update. |
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| 20:58.01 | jhutchins | Guest74354: No need to use pinning. It will only install specific packages you requesst (and dependencies). |
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| 20:58.22 | Guest74354 | thank you: jhutchins |
| 20:58.51 | themill | Guest74354: wheezy is in good shape now -- you should able to run it with a good degree of certainty that it's will be well behaved. |
| 20:58.51 | jhutchins | Guest74354: Always glad to help another addict get started <grin>. |
| 21:01.05 | ghoti | scratches his head |
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| 21:01.17 | ghoti | Is it better to do CARP the traditional way, where a MAC address changes ports on your switch (updating the mac-address-table), or the uCARP way, where an IP address gets bound to a new MAC in nearby hosts' ARP caches? |
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| 21:07.32 | dorp | rozie: Well, doesn't seem to work. 1st- the grub-install of Debian 6 is lacking "--boot-directory".. second, it reports a couple of "file not found" errors. |
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| 21:10.03 | ottermaton | I have a question about debian live: why is "rescue" so much larger than "standard"? |
| 21:10.38 | ottermaton | I would think standard is the normal gnome desktop, while rescue would just be cli mode |
| 21:10.54 | gnat_x | xsappyx: thanks for the tip. it was a facepalm worthy oversight. |
| 21:10.55 | ottermaton | I'm looking at the testing+nonfree, btw |
| 21:11.16 | ompaul | ottermaton: ask in #debian-live on irc.oftc.net they tend to know more |
| 21:11.23 | babilen | ottermaton: There should be a file that contains information on which packages are on those images .. compare those. |
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| 21:12.11 | themill | ottermaton: "standard" is a minimal console system. "rescue" is standard + every formatting and recovery tool you've (n)ever heard of. |
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| 21:12.34 | ottermaton | sounds plausible themill, thanks |
| 21:12.59 | ottermaton | and I'll check with #debian-live as well ompaul. thanks for the tip |
| 21:13.21 | ottermaton | and babilen ... yea, duh on me, should have thought of that |
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| 21:14.28 | jgiorgi | can network-manager be configured not to mess with /etc/resolv.conf? |
| 21:15.20 | ghoti | ottermaton: also, generally, "rescue" systems have all the binaries statically linked, which takes more space. |
| 21:16.02 | themill | ghoti: I don't believe that's the case here. debian-live is just about package selection |
| 21:16.14 | ghoti | alrighty. |
| 21:16.27 | themill | jgiorgi: are you sure it's n-m that's touching resolv.conf and not a dhcp client? |
| 21:16.31 | frostschutz | dorp: the official debian netinst cd also doesn't support loopmount like that. |
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| 21:17.31 | jgiorgi | themill: good point, probably dhcp client, i assumed network manager because that's where i can configure to get only addresses and not dns from dhcp, i'm trying to make that behavior the default, rather than a per network exception |
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| 21:20.23 | themill | jgiorgi: you can configure dhclient to not use dns information -- /msg dpkg override dns |
| 21:20.27 | dorp | frostschutz: So any other suggestion? :\ |
| 21:20.45 | jgiorgi | themill: ty |
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| 21:21.31 | frostschutz | dorp: initrd works. you have to get grub on usb first though. |
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| 21:25.01 | kanzure | i have a small server that i would like to reboot from a git post-receive hook, |
| 21:25.07 | kanzure | but the server is launched from a shell script that i wrote at the moment |
| 21:25.18 | kanzure | what's the best way to kill the process before i launch it again? |
| 21:25.31 | kanzure | should i just run killall? or is there some easy way to make this into a daemon/service/thing. |
| 21:25.42 | Towzzer | you can make an init.d script for the service |
| 21:25.53 | kanzure | is there a tool that would do that for me? i don't feel like writing a bunch of bash at the moment. |
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| 21:26.03 | kanzure | i mean it's pretty standard: keep track of the pid, kill it when it needs to be killed, etc.. |
| 21:26.08 | frostschutz | start-stop-daemon? make an init script |
| 21:26.09 | Towzzer | I think thre is already a template |
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| 21:26.20 | kanzure | where would that template be? |
| 21:26.28 | confusid | just reinstalled debian squeeze again. first thing I want to install after sorting my source.list file is xserver-xorg-video-intel from back ports. It wants to remove xorge xserver-xorg xserver-xorg-video-all and xserver-xorg-video-nv I have had to update to this file before so my video would work correctly but it never watned to remove these items. What should or could I do? |
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| 21:27.06 | themill | dpkg: tell confusid about bpo xorg |
| 21:27.22 | kanzure | oh is start-stop-daemon a package that i should look at? |
| 21:27.35 | floogy | Hi, it's me again. I'm now on ubuntu and connected to my debian squeeze server through ssh. I can't type öüäß in that terminal. ö deletes the current line and replaces it with (arg: 6). ü jumps at the beginning of .bash_history, äß gives nothing. |
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| 21:28.11 | floogy | so I asume that it has to be a config issue on the server side. |
| 21:28.17 | themill | floogy: I was thinking about this last night -- it sounds like your ESC key is stuck down or something. Are you using something like synergy here? |
| 21:28.25 | kanzure | ooh /etc/init.d/skeleton |
| 21:28.53 | floogy | themill, I'm now at home on another ubuntu (native) box. |
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| 21:29.59 | floogy | Yesterday, somehow, putty worked on ubuntu (I was able to type umlauts). But today I was no longer able and I got also some commands out of öü |
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| 21:31.10 | Towzzer | flooogy have you tried cygwin |
| 21:31.10 | floogy | Maybe I pressed accidenally a shortcut to get it working, but on the cygwin/mintty/ssh it didn't work |
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| 21:31.24 | floogy | Towzzer, yes at work. |
| 21:31.44 | Towzzer | mintty.exe should work |
| 21:32.10 | confusid | themill: so things changed again? I need to not just install the driver but upgrade all the xorg items aswell? That's what I'm getting from reading the page. |
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| 21:32.32 | floogy | yes, might be the case, but therefor I now think there is something also on the server side (sshd, bash) |
| 21:32.36 | themill | confusid: that's how xorg has always been for squeeze-backports. |
| 21:34.07 | confusid | I only had to install the intel driver and a 3.2 kern before. I never upgraded anything else from backports. |
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| 21:39.44 | floogy | Ah, I got something: only the root accout is affected! |
| 21:40.51 | Towzzer | what's the locale set to? |
| 21:40.52 | floogy | cat /etc/inputrc |
| 21:40.59 | floogy | # set convert-meta off |
| 21:41.12 | floogy | I think I have to uncomment that. |
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| 21:42.34 | floogy | Yes, that's it! I got it working! |
| 21:42.37 | heikki_ | hi. I'm tryin' to boot up my debian server, and it hangs on DHCPREQUEST on eth1 |
| 21:42.43 | floogy | http://superuser.com/questions/403753/cannot-type-any-special-character-or-umlaut-in-terminal |
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| 21:42.50 | floogy | http://newsgroups.derkeiler.com/Archive/De/de.comp.os.unix.misc/2007-01/msg00007.html |
| 21:43.06 | heikki_ | i don't think dhcp is the problem, how can i dig deeper and see what is wrong with my server? |
| 21:43.13 | nkuttler | heikki_: check the network cable/dhcp server? |
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| 21:43.45 | nkuttler | heikki_: iirc you can just interrupt with ^c as well, or wait it out |
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| 21:44.06 | heikki_ | because it hangs there, waited for 20 mins now |
| 21:44.24 | heikki_ | and if i boot to other os, no problems |
| 21:44.28 | nkuttler | heikki_: or boot into single user mode and disable the dhcp lookup |
| 21:44.44 | nkuttler | then reboot and troubleshoot |
| 21:44.48 | heikki_ | hmm, ok how do i do that? |
| 21:45.06 | frostschutz | dorp: http://pastebin.com/CWxUnGra |
| 21:45.12 | nkuttler | !tell heikki_ about single user mode |
| 21:45.41 | nkuttler | heikki_: then disable dhcp in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 21:45.53 | heikki_ | i mean, how do i disable dhcp on boot |
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| 21:46.24 | nkuttler | heikki_: probably comment out auto eth1 |
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| 21:46.51 | heikki_ | host change |
| 21:46.59 | heikki__ | ok thanks |
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| 21:49.32 | dorp | frostschutz: Much appreciated. |
| 21:50.24 | dorp | frostschutz: But one thing is still unclear to me: debian-live-6.0.3-amd64-standard.iso - is not the same as the Net installer? It won't work for the 'Standard'? |
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| 21:51.14 | b0ss_ | Hi. Can someone help on installing MySQL-Workbench on Debian, please ? |
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| 21:51.34 | Towzzer | wheezy or squeeze |
| 21:51.56 | Towzzer | they added a package in wheezy |
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| 21:52.21 | floogy | I still have the issue with the /bin/ls: |
| 21:52.29 | Towzzer | you would want to go here and download the source |
| 21:52.30 | Towzzer | C:\cygwin\bin\mintty.exe -i |
| 21:52.33 | floogy | # ls T* |
| 21:52.33 | floogy | T?rkisWei?_600x400.jfif.bak T??rkisWei?? T??rkisWei??_600x400.jfif |
| 21:52.38 | Towzzer | i mean |
| 21:52.39 | Towzzer | http://dev.mysql.com/downloads/workbench/#downloads |
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| 21:53.28 | frostschutz | dorp: I haven't tried it. it may be the live cd is too large to put in an initrd |
| 21:53.36 | floogy | Twozzer, I'm now on ubuntu(bash) -ssh-> debian(bash) |
| 21:53.46 | dorp | frostschutz: 242MB |
| 21:53.49 | floogy | # echo T* |
| 21:53.49 | floogy | T�rkisWei�_600x400.jfif.bak TürkisWeiß TürkisWeiß_600x400.jfif |
| 21:53.54 | babilen | dorp: You typically wouldn't use the live cds for installation |
| 21:54.22 | dorp | babilen: Okay, so I'll simply download the "net install" version |
| 21:55.11 | babilen | dorp: I can't answer that without knowing more about what you are trying to achieve. Which version of Debian do you want to install? On what kind of hardware? What will the box be used for? Do you have a working internet connection during the installation (what kind?) ? ... |
| 21:55.15 | dorp | frostschutz: BTW, I was able to get this current version to 'load' using grub, but the installation says: "Incorrect CD-ROM detected"... so I hope your ISO would sort it out |
| 21:55.28 | voxadam | Insane question: if a person were to want to respin their own Debian Base are the tools the Debian developers available to anyone? |
| 21:55.39 | frostschutz | dorp: yes, without the initrd it will boot but not find the cd |
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| 21:56.11 | babilen | voxadam: sure |
| 21:56.13 | dorp | frostschutz: I see. Give me a couple of minutes I want to try a couple of things |
| 21:56.37 | babilen | voxadam: But not the hardware and configuration and work that has gone into configuring the toolchains |
| 21:56.42 | babilen | (naturally) |
| 21:56.48 | dorp | babilen: Thanks for my issues are not actually about installing, rather about creating a 'custom' installer on a USB stick |
| 21:57.31 | Towzzer | I don't know about a custom installer but you can just dd the iso to a usb drive and that would work |
| 21:57.52 | babilen | dorp: Why do you need a custom installer? In what way is it customised? |
| 21:57.55 | dorp | Towzzer: Yes, but without multiple partitions |
| 21:58.06 | voxadam | babilen, I was just intersted in the process from for personal academic reasons. I was wondering how small I could make a i386 specific Debian respin with no support for oddball or ancient hardware. |
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| 21:58.09 | dorp | babilen: Having multiple partitions on the USB device |
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| 21:58.39 | themill | voxadam: I think you'll find that's called "amd64" |
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| 21:59.00 | babilen | dorp: Ack, good luck! |
| 21:59.14 | voxadam | themill, how big is a netinst using the amd64 arch? |
| 21:59.41 | misfit_ | whats the best solution to full mail server? |
| 21:59.57 | streuner_ | exim or postfix |
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| 22:00.11 | engla | since the debian kernel packages are around 100MB you can definitely do better if you remove the oddballs |
| 22:00.17 | engla | (installed size) |
| 22:00.19 | themill | voxadam: you can check yourself on cdimage: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.6/amd64/iso-cd/ |
| 22:00.21 | voxadam | Is perl6 really required for the base? Is it an apt depndancy? |
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| 22:00.36 | streuner_ | misfit_: there are prolly more options, but these both come to mind |
| 22:01.20 | misfit_ | streuner_: and to manage mails ? |
| 22:01.38 | themill | voxadam: not at all |
| 22:01.51 | engla | debconf needs perl (5) |
| 22:02.18 | streuner_ | misfit_: manage? speaking of getting any mails at all? |
| 22:03.00 | misfit_ | streuner_: Squirrelmail for example |
| 22:03.16 | misfit_ | I'm looking for the best solution.. more complete |
| 22:03.44 | misfit_ | and if someone experiencied here could advice me something, I would be very glad |
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| 22:04.41 | streuner_ | misfit_: i liked ilohamail |
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| 22:06.45 | misfit_ | streuner_: it's seems to be more beautiful at least... |
| 22:06.58 | voxadam | themill, I just did the most minamal install I could using the i386 netinst image in a VM. With nothing added the install weighs in at 535 MB. I have a feeling a "full" install could be made much smaller if one were so inclied/ I'm bored and in the mood to play with something in the persuit of knowledge. I find minimal installs of things intersting. I'm currious how close to embedded one could go with a Debian install. |
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| 22:07.47 | confusid | themill: ty, I don't get it but it works :) I have a document I keep of what I need to do step by step and all the other times it worked before. |
| 22:08.03 | floogy | Is this a common behaviour? http://superuser.com/questions/333564/reverse-history-search-in-bash-followed-by-arrow-keys-causes-cursor-to-display-a |
| 22:08.13 | themill | voxadam: you might like to look at emdebian. |
| 22:08.16 | voxadam | I remember installing the base system with floppies. God that was miserable. |
| 22:08.22 | voxadam | Oh... I will. Thanks! |
| 22:08.40 | floogy | If i go through the bash_history using the arrow keys sometimes my prompt gets deleted. |
| 22:09.12 | floogy | and the cursor offset gets shifted |
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| 22:10.58 | voxadam | themill, this is great. It's really sad that things like this get me so excited. I have a vauge memory of this project, I'm glad to see it has survived. Thanks for the pointer. |
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| 22:20.38 | zzing | Is there a way I can setup permissions on a directory so that any new files created in that directory have these permissions? Specifically, I want to enable /var/log/apache2 to be readable by everyone |
| 22:22.03 | frostschutz | floogy: if you have long commands in your history that mess up the line wrapping maybe. |
| 22:22.04 | Towzzer | logrotate let's you set permissions |
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| 22:22.26 | ddssc | hai, what's the best way to install python on debian 6.0 squeeze? it's default is 2.6 I need 2.7 |
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| 22:22.48 | zzing | Towzzer, thanks that is good to know |
| 22:23.16 | floogy | frostschutz, I changed the \w in my PS1 to \W for getting the shorter basename of the current working directory. |
| 22:23.22 | Towzzer | add in create 744 apache apache" |
| 22:23.29 | Towzzer | to the logrotate for apache |
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| 22:23.40 | frostschutz | floogy: I think there was some key combo to make it redraw the prompt with whatever is on it but I forget... |
| 22:23.40 | zzing | all set, thanks |
| 22:23.42 | Towzzer | probably in /etc/logrotate.d/something |
| 22:23.47 | zzing | it is yes |
| 22:23.48 | Towzzer | oh, have a nice day sir :D |
| 22:24.03 | themill | ddssc: there's no nice way of getting python 2.7 on squeeze. What specifically are you looking for in python 2.7? |
| 22:24.12 | ddssc | themill , django |
| 22:24.23 | Towzzer | django hasn't ported to python 3 yet? |
| 22:24.26 | Towzzer | ouchers |
| 22:24.28 | ddssc | nay |
| 22:24.37 | ddssc | ok what dist should I install that has 2.7? |
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| 22:24.48 | floogy | frostschutz, ctrl+l |
| 22:24.53 | themill | ddssc: what version of django are you looking at? |
| 22:25.08 | Towzzer | 1.5 has experimental support for python3 |
| 22:25.09 | floogy | but that deletes the buffer too |
| 22:25.14 | frostschutz | floogy: that's a bit agressive :) but it works I guess |
| 22:25.28 | ddssc | themill, latest. says it needs 2.7 in the docu |
| 22:25.39 | themill | ddssc: "latest" is meaningless.... |
| 22:25.52 | themill | and python-django is already in debian too and works just fine with python2.6. |
| 22:26.11 | floogy | frosdtschuts, there are some lines in the history that will delete the prompt abnd shift the cursor (clutter the shell) |
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| 22:26.36 | ddssc | themill, you're right, mustve misread.. :D |
| 22:26.53 | floogy | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:27.29 | maxxe | which disk should grub be installed on by using grub-install? the same disk that contains /boot? does it matter? |
| 22:27.44 | themill | ddssc: you might be looking for python-django from squeeze-backports if you need a newer version than in squeeze. /msg dpkg squeeze-backports |
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| 22:27.56 | frostschutz | maxxe: the disk you like to boot off of. usually the same as /boot yes |
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| 22:31.25 | maxxe | frostschutz: i am moving some logical volumes to a new ssd disk, including the root filesystem /.. but /boot will still be on the old sata drive since i can't move it because it isn't part of lvm.. should i still have grub installed on the sata one then? |
| 22:31.36 | floogy | It seems that history line that contain ß or umlauts are affected and are deleting the prompt one char leftwards |
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| 22:36.03 | h00ked | im trying to install amd proprietary drivers, but have one problem - I got error in log "/lib/modules/2.6.32.-5-686/build/include/linux/version.h cannot be found on this system." i google, but found only one topic about nvidia card without solution. Anyone have any ideas? |
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| 22:39.45 | caf | h00ked: you need the linux-headers-2.6.32-5-686 package |
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| 22:41.26 | h00ked | yep, i just found fglrx-glx package this include header package, now, rebooting, will see :) |
| 22:41.29 | b0ss_ | last call: which one is more compatible with MS Office: Libre or Open office ? |
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| 22:41.56 | h00ked | im using libre without any prob |
| 22:41.57 | themill | b0ss_: there's little difference. libreoffice is in debian. |
| 22:42.11 | caf | they're both based off the same codebase but libreoffice has been more actively developed recently |
| 22:42.24 | themill | (and historically has been better than openoffice too) |
| 22:43.10 | b0ss_ | themill: what do you mean by "in debian" ? |
| 22:44.14 | themill | ,v libreoffice |
| 22:44.15 | judd | Package: libreoffice on i386 -- squeeze-backports: 1:3.4.6-2~bpo60+2; squeeze-backports: 1:3.5.4+dfsg-3~bpo60+2; sid: 1:3.5.4+dfsg-4; wheezy: 1:3.5.4+dfsg-4; experimental: 1:3.6.4-1 |
| 22:44.26 | themill | b0ss_: ^^ as in, it's in the debian archive. |
| 22:45.10 | b0ss_ | themill: well, in my Squeeze distro it didn't come. |
| 22:46.01 | themill | b0ss_: actually, what you have there is essentially libreoffice not openoffice anyway, but it's from before libreoffice formally split off from openoffice. And libreoffice is in squeeze-backports if you want a newer version. |
| 22:46.22 | b0ss_ | but well, I assume that being Debian-standard it may be more optimized for it than Open Office, right ? |
| 22:46.24 | themill | !debian ooo |
| 22:46.24 | dpkg | <OpenOffice.org> in Debian has been following the fork at http://go-oo.org/ for several years, meaning that OOo in Debian has had a set of LGPLv3 patches that Sun refused to accept on the grounds of their licence. The fork at go-oo.org has joined the <libreoffice> project so while there's a change in name for the openoffice.org packages in Debian, there's little practical difference for users at this stage. |
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| 22:50.32 | frostschutz | floogy: äöüß in the history works fine for me with bash. you probably have a locale/charset issue then. like the terminal showing a two byte character which the shell itself believes to be 1 byte characters. |
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| 22:51.30 | b0ss_ | themill: a good tutorial on how to install mysql-workbench for Debian ? |
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| 22:56.49 | themill | b0ss_: install wheezy (or upgrade to wheezy), install the package. Wheezy is in a pre-release state at the moment and doesn't get rapid security support just yet, but it's in a good state for use as a desktop |
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| 22:59.13 | floogy | frostschutz, I got LC_CTYPE=C, I guess because of earlier problems with some php encoding stuff(?) http://stackoverflow.com/questions/5231620/what-does-set-localelc-ctype-c-actually-do |
| 22:59.45 | floogy | That was also the culprit for ls not listing the utf-8 filenames right. |
| 22:59.46 | themill | floogy: if you want anything other than ascii, then CTYPE=C is very wrong |
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| 23:00.09 | b0ss_ | themill: I have Squeeze installed. I can't just install other version right now. |
| 23:00.20 | floogy | themill, yes, I think that was the whole story. |
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| 23:08.06 | dorp | frostschutz: Is there anything wrong with: linux vmlinuz and initrd initrd-combined-with-netinst-cdrom.gz ? |
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| 23:10.41 | frostschutz | dorp: uh, context? which bootloader are you using now? |
| 23:11.18 | dorp | frostschutz: grub? |
| 23:11.41 | frostschutz | dorp: if it's grub, you could go to the grub shell and see if it gives you those files with tab completion or not |
| 23:12.39 | frostschutz | dorp: if it doesn't work anyway. did you try? :-? |
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| 23:13.37 | dorp | frostschutz: I can't 'see' these files with tab-completion |
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| 23:13.58 | frostschutz | dorp: grub2 or grub1? not sure if grub1 could tab complete files or only disks... |
| 23:14.25 | frostschutz | dorp: my grub2 config http://bpaste.net/show/71017/ |
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| 23:16.16 | dorp | frostschutz: I'm not sure if I'm qualified to tell the difference of the versions... as I've been reading- versions 1.99 is considered to be "2"? How about 1.98? |
| 23:16.31 | frostschutz | 0.x is 1, 1.x is 2 more or less ;) |
| 23:16.58 | dorp | So 1.98 is 2 :) |
| 23:17.14 | engla | grub2 is the program, 1.98 the version |
| 23:17.21 | frostschutz | dorp: well then. where did you put the files |
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| 23:18.12 | dorp | frostschutz: I put them on the root of the partition |
| 23:18.28 | frostschutz | dorp: in the grub shell, set root=(hd0,<tab>) in my case msdos2. then linux /<tab> gives a file list |
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| 23:19.27 | frostschutz | dorp: if the files do not appear you either have the wrong partition, or put the files not on it |
| 23:19.50 | seravitae_ | Hi, I have a debian box here booting off a usb key, the machine has 64GB of ram so I have disabled swap partitions to save the life of the usb key. however sometimes when the memory gets close to full (even as cache, not as actively used) the box will freeze with kernel panics. |
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| 23:20.23 | frostschutz | seravitae_: and it doesn't freeze with swap? :-O |
| 23:20.31 | seravitae_ | Ive never had swap on the box |
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| 23:20.46 | seravitae_ | I have had to write a script to flush the cache every 5 minutes or so to prevent the box from undergoing a kernel panic/freeze. it seems to work. but I am wondering if there is a more elegant solution to this. I can't even seem to find which log might contain info about the kernel panic. |
| 23:21.13 | dorp | frostschutz: Is there a difference between "linux vmlinuz" and "linux /vmlinuz"? |
| 23:21.40 | frostschutz | dorp: not sure - it doesn't work without / for the tab completion anyway |
| 23:23.18 | dorp | frostschutz: set root(hd0,<tab> --- reveals the files |
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| 23:25.34 | dorp | frostschutz: ls -la - reveals "hd0,msdos1" ... but if I try: set root(hd0,msdos1) .. it says: error: not an assignment |
| 23:25.56 | frostschutz | dorp: you forgot = |
| 23:26.01 | frostschutz | set root= |
| 23:26.10 | dorp | God. |
| 23:26.25 | frostschutz | or you could probably write linux (hd0,msdos1)/dudibuiduz |
| 23:26.44 | frostschutz | setting the root once is just shorter than repeating it everytime |
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| 23:28.02 | dorp | frostschutz: Now I've done the linux /vmlinuz and initrd /initrd-combin.... manually... and now it sits and blinks... (as if it's loading, but nothing has happened as of yet) |
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| 23:28.40 | frostschutz | dorp: well, it's a 200MB initrd, that takes a few seconds to load for me. my usb stick is not the fastest |
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| 23:29.37 | dorp | frostschutz: 60 seconds is reasonable? :\ |
| 23:29.41 | frostschutz | not really |
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| 23:30.29 | dorp | I forgot to ask- what is the size of your USB stick? |
| 23:30.35 | frostschutz | 16GB |
| 23:31.05 | dorp | And the partition you created? |
| 23:31.27 | frostschutz | it reads 18.3MB/s according to dd |
| 23:31.47 | frostschutz | I've several partitions on it... |
| 23:32.31 | nvz | thats faster speeds than I get SCPing a file over my local network via a gigabit hub .. |
| 23:32.47 | dorp | frostschutz: Is there anything wrong with 8GB partition? (wasn't there a FAT limitation?) |
| 23:33.34 | nvz | moved a 4.5gb file at like 11MB/s the other day and was quite puzzled at why it took that long.. and I meant to say gigabit switch.. heh.. its def not a hub |
| 23:33.47 | frostschutz | nvz: writing is much slower, <10MB/s |
| 23:34.54 | xsappyx | frostschutz: that is a big B.. Bytes, not bits |
| 23:35.28 | nvz | I wish I could waive a magic wand and have everything I see just use the same units.. heh |
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| 23:42.08 | woshty_ | does anyone know of a nice script to run vboxheadless without user interaction at startup and shutdown? |
| 23:42.33 | woshty_ | or os there a debian way to do it? |
| 23:42.43 | woshty_ | s/os/is |
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| 23:43.55 | trist4n | i have some init scripts that do it |
| 23:43.58 | trist4n | i am not sure where they come from |
| 23:44.01 | trist4n | virtualbox is crap anyway. |
| 23:47.11 | woshty_ | trist4n: what would be a nicer alternative .. dont say vmware |
| 23:48.56 | dorp | frostschutz: It's working, the installer is booting, but when I try to proceed, it says: "Incorrect CD-ROM detected" |
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| 23:49.42 | trist4n | i like kvm |
| 23:49.50 | trist4n | if its necessary to build it onto an existing system. |
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| 23:50.05 | dorp | frostschutz: I tried both the 'regular' installer, and then 'network' installer |
| 23:50.27 | frostschutz | dorp: that's odd. stable or testing? |
| 23:50.41 | dorp | frostschutz: Stable |
| 23:53.09 | dorp | frostschutz: I've googled it and found that it suggested to use: cdrom-detect/try-usb=true ... didn't help |
| 23:53.37 | frostschutz | dorp: what does ls /cdrom give you when you go to another tty? |
| 23:54.05 | dorp | frostschutz: I'm sorry? |
| 23:54.23 | frostschutz | in the installer, alt-f2 gives you a shell |
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| 23:54.54 | dorp | frostschutz: /cdrom is empty |
| 23:55.22 | frostschutz | well, it shouldn't be |
| 23:56.02 | frostschutz | you don't actually have a cd drive that got mounted there right? |
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| 23:57.08 | dorp | frostschutz: I don't have a cd/dvd device at all |
| 23:57.22 | woshty_ | hmm, even squeeze installer detects it is inside a vm |
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| 23:59.00 | frostschutz | dorp: you did use cdrom for the loop mount though and not another name? |
| 23:59.34 | dorp | frostschutz: Oh-oh |
| 23:59.52 | dorp | frostschutz: I used a temp name, I wasn't thinking |
