| 00:00.06 | frostschutz | well then see if ls /tempname works in the installer :P |
| 00:00.49 | dorp | frostschutz: Not there |
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| 00:01.14 | frostschutz | well |
| 00:01.31 | frostschutz | works for me *shrug* |
| 00:02.34 | dorp | I'll try a smaller partition size |
| 00:02.50 | frostschutz | that's not related at all |
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| 00:03.30 | frostschutz | you have to use cdrom though, that's important, so the files will be where the installer expects them to be |
| 00:04.19 | floogy | Hi, how can I set umask for lighttpd for webdav. |
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| 00:12.36 | woolf864 | could anyone tell me, why this function is execute itself? http://pastebin.com/AN23ZUpa |
| 00:12.59 | cusco | hi |
| 00:13.37 | cusco | how can I echo a bell char to console, allowing me to take notice, when it happens? |
| 00:13.55 | xsappyx | floogy: set the umask in the init script before you start lighttpd |
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| 00:15.31 | Infiltrator | cusco: I think that ^G is what you want. Try it in bash by doing echo <C-V><C-G>. |
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| 00:17.42 | caf | cusco: printf "\b" |
| 00:17.47 | caf | err "\a" i mean |
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| 00:18.58 | cusco | \a thanks |
| 00:19.04 | floogy | xsappyx, how can I achieve that? simply umask 002 |
| 00:19.19 | cusco | Infiltrator: I knew about ^G, but I wanted iots escaped char |
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| 00:21.16 | Infiltrator | cusco: Then what caf said. :) |
| 00:21.59 | cusco | yes it worked, thanks |
| 00:22.00 | cusco | :) |
| 00:22.08 | cusco | while true; do chans=$(asterisk -vvvvvrx "core show channels"|grep SIP|wc -l); if [[ "$chans" -eq "0" ]]; then echo -e "\a"; fi; echo $chans; sleep 5; done |
| 00:22.12 | cusco | lol |
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| 00:23.44 | xsappyx | floogy: ya.. id check /etc/default/lighttpd and see if there is a umask bit in there(probably is not) and then just add it to the init script, somewhere up top with a note why you changed it. "grep -i umask /etc/init.d/*" for other examples |
| 00:23.59 | timmmaaaayyy | i'm trying to add "/sbin" to my path variable in the /etc/login.defs file, but it's not actaully adding it to my path. anyone know why it might do that? i just wanna be able to say "ifconfig" instead of /sbin/ifconfig |
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| 00:24.39 | Infiltrator | timmmaaaayyy: What command are you using to add it? |
| 00:24.40 | dorp | frostschutz: <----- |
| 00:24.47 | Infiltrator | timmmaaaayyy: On a side note: why are you trying to do that? |
| 00:24.50 | timmmaaaayyy | i'm editing the file with vim |
| 00:24.50 | dorp | frostschutz: It's working!... (after using "cdrom") |
| 00:25.20 | timmmaaaayyy | becuase i want to be able to say "ifconfig" instead of "/sbin/ifconfig" and becuase i'm trying to learn stuff |
| 00:25.26 | xsappyx | timmmaaaayyy: probably better to put that in your home dir and use a shell rc (ex: .bashrc for bash) |
| 00:25.28 | dorp | frostschutz: THANKS for your help! |
| 00:25.42 | timmmaaaayyy | i know i can do it in my home, but i want it to apply to everyone |
| 00:25.50 | timmmaaaayyy | that's why i went with login.defs |
| 00:25.56 | themill | timmmaaaayyy: if you want to learn, then learn to use "ip" not "ifconfig" anyway ;) |
| 00:28.25 | timmmaaaayyy | so editing /etc/login.defs doens't actually change my path. it should, shouldn't it? |
| 00:28.52 | Infiltrator | timmmaaaayyy: I'm guessing that after editing it, you logged out and back in already? |
| 00:29.02 | themill | (iirc login.defs is not normally used at login time) |
| 00:29.13 | timmmaaaayyy | yea i rebooted. it's still in the file, but it's not there when i say echo $PATH |
| 00:29.45 | timmmaaaayyy | themill: that makes sense….otherwise it would be in my path. :) so that file is useless? |
| 00:30.12 | themill | it is also used by useradd and friends |
| 00:30.16 | peterrooney | themill: hell with that. have you READ the ip manpage? there's no examples. it's basicly a BNF spec. |
| 00:30.44 | themill | peterrooney: that's why I said you get to learn it.... and yes it's man page is horrid. |
| 00:30.53 | Infiltrator | timmmaaaayyy: See the BUGS section of man login.defs |
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| 00:31.59 | themill | peterrooney: and actually, ip's man pages come with plenty of examples. |
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| 00:32.29 | timmmaaaayyy | how would ip help me?? |
| 00:32.51 | themill | it does everything ifconfig does and more and is a better tool to use |
| 00:33.10 | peterrooney | themill: which only seem understandable if you understand the entire spec. I'm not saying it's worthless to learn it, but until ifconfig is removed, the incentive is small. |
| 00:34.11 | themill | peterrooney: the examples are as good as any other man page. 3 or 4 concrete examples for every command. What more do you want? And it's that sort of attitude that unfortunately means that people won't learn the new tool so will resist the final death of ifconfig |
| 00:34.16 | timmmaaaayyy | themill: i don't want just ifconfig. that was just an example. i want to know how to add something to the path for all users on a system. but that's wasn't enough so i said i wanted it for ifconfig |
| 00:34.41 | themill | timmmaaaayyy: manipulating the path is best done through the shell's startup files. |
| 00:35.07 | timmmaaaayyy | ok i'll check into that. thanks |
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| 00:43.57 | peterrooney | themill: ~ three pages of correct syntax specification, followed by one page of exceptionally brief summaries of some command line parameters, followed by twelve pages of most possible combinations tersely (and I KNOW this is the wrong word) explained, in alphabetical order. I commend your restraint in only saying "horrid". |
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| 00:45.20 | themill | peterrooney: you have found ip-address(8), ip-addrlabel(8), ip-l2tp(8), ip-link(8), ip-maddress(8), ip-monitor(8), ip-mroute(8), ip-neighbour(8), ip-netns(8), ip-ntable(8), ip-route(8), ip-rule(8), ip-tunnel(8) and ip-xfrm(8), haven't you? |
| 00:45.52 | peterrooney | anyways, my attitude is, if you're going to mandate a major change at the distribution level as Ferrari and Claes did, is it wrong to ask for some thought being put into documenting the transition? |
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| 00:47.40 | themill | With 15 man pages, I don't think you can say it's not documented. I'm sure patches making the documentation more readable and offering additional examples would be quite welcome too. |
| 00:47.54 | peterrooney | themill: does not exist on my squeeze system, according to apt-file |
| 00:48.49 | themill | well there you go... documentation improves over time too... |
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| 00:51.08 | peterrooney | themill: if ever I find myself actually understanding it, I'd be glad to improve the documentation. also, I meant 15 pages for just the one manual (with an xterm of height 75). |
| 00:51.48 | peterrooney | is perplexed by egg/chicken conundrums |
| 00:52.18 | Infiltrator | peterrooney: If you're talking about the bird, then technically the egg came first. :P |
| 00:52.51 | Infiltrator | Also, is there a nice document somewhere for the ifconfig->ip transition? Something like: you used to do x; now do y instead? |
| 00:53.49 | floogy | xsappyx, thanks, webdav is working now. |
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| 01:06.19 | frostschutz | dorp: it might not actually work after all - if you see funny kernel error messages |
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| 01:16.24 | shadedpixel | Do I need to mark my root partition as boot able if I setup a /boot partition? |
| 01:17.49 | shadedpixel | Hello? |
| 01:18.12 | fnmueller | ohh, you seem to have no patience at all |
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| 01:18.26 | Infiltrator | !tell shadedpixel -about repeat |
| 01:19.16 | Towzzer | shadedpixel, you don't need to do that anymore |
| 01:19.31 | shadedpixel | I didn't repeat myself I was wondering wha |
| 01:19.51 | shadedpixel | *if anybody was looking at my question |
| 01:19.52 | Infiltrator | shadedpixel: Same principle applies, though: patience. :) |
| 01:20.08 | fnmueller | the answer is "no" |
| 01:20.46 | fnmueller | shadedpixel: just out of curiosity: what does uname -r return? |
| 01:21.15 | shadedpixel | I believe your kernel version |
| 01:21.19 | shadedpixel | And name |
| 01:21.21 | trist4n | lol |
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| 01:21.28 | trist4n | good input there shadedpixel |
| 01:21.56 | fnmueller | ^^, like I meant on your box |
| 01:22.19 | fnmueller | next time i might be even more precise |
| 01:22.25 | shadedpixel | Oh, I'm installing right now |
| 01:22.47 | shadedpixel | So I can't run the command right now |
| 01:23.01 | shadedpixel | But I'm on my Nexus 7 tablet now |
| 01:23.16 | fnmueller | well, you could if you switched to console, but I presume debian stable?! |
| 01:23.30 | shadedpixel | Yes |
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| 01:24.04 | fnmueller | it's like without a keyboard, right? |
| 01:24.31 | shadedpixel | ? |
| 01:25.20 | fnmueller | the nexus 7 does not come with a keyboard? right? or might you even one have connected via bluetooth? |
| 01:25.53 | shadedpixel | No it does not, I'm using the on screen keyboard |
| 01:25.59 | fnmueller | ic |
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| 01:26.25 | shadedpixel | Anyway, thank you and I'm sorry for not waiting but I have to go |
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| 01:26.41 | fnmueller | very impatient :D |
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| 01:54.01 | moogler | Why would mpd be giving me a permission denied when I try to use a config file for it? |
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| 02:01.28 | nvz | moogler: idk, maybe... permission is denied to use the config file :-P |
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| 02:02.19 | moogler | nvz: They're both owned by me |
| 02:02.29 | moogler | s/They're both/It's/ |
| 02:02.39 | nvz | moogler: are you the one running the program? |
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| 02:03.21 | nvz | daemons will often run as a unprivlaged user |
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| 02:04.26 | moogler | Yea I am |
| 02:05.27 | moogler | Did I configure something in mpd wrong? |
| 02:05.50 | nvz | well then we've exhausted the vague question diagnostic tree... could be user error.. replace user and bang head off the keyboard to continue |
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| 02:06.51 | nvz | I can honestly say I have no idea what you've done |
| 02:07.16 | moogler | Ah well, i'll figure it out in the future |
| 02:07.20 | moogler | Need to head out now |
| 02:07.24 | nvz | that sounds likely |
| 02:07.25 | moogler | Thanks for the helpish |
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| 02:25.42 | Yoshi1 | anyone know how i can get my hdmi output to work? |
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| 02:34.03 | zzing | Is there a way to find out if a connection is making it outside of my server, but being blocked from reaching its destination? |
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| 02:34.24 | dvs | zzing: sounds like traceroute to me. |
| 02:34.40 | zzing | Can traceroute deal in specific ports? I didn't think it did |
| 02:34.43 | caf | in particular tcptraceroute |
| 02:35.05 | caf | it can - classic traceroute uses UDP packets, tcptraceroute uses TCP |
| 02:35.11 | zzing | nice |
| 02:36.13 | zzing | hmm, I do this: tcptraceroute -p 25 mx4.hotmail.com and it says bind: Address already in use |
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| 02:36.36 | caf | for tcptraceroute -p is the source port |
| 02:36.43 | caf | you just want: tcptraceroute mx4.hotmail.com 25 |
| 02:36.49 | zzing | oh ok |
| 02:37.21 | zzing | First hope it says is 1 gate.studsrv.uwindsor.ca (137.207.26.1) 2294.372 ms 2294.520 ms 2294.734 ms then after that all * * * |
| 02:37.39 | zzing | port 80, continues fine |
| 02:37.46 | zzing | I assume that means that is the server blocking it |
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| 02:38.13 | dvs | zzing: yeah, they tend to frown on mail servers |
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| 02:38.45 | gccster | guys i have 2 webcam how can i set the sequence of camera i want first to be /dev/video0 and second to be /dev/video1 ? |
| 02:38.56 | gccster | or maybe the opposite |
| 02:39.16 | zzing | dvs, this must be something new. This was apparently working before. I have a meeting with it services tomorrow, so I can get the correct thing to do |
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| 02:42.52 | caf | yeah a lot of places block port 25 as an anti-spam thing |
| 02:43.26 | caf | they likely provide an outgoing SMTP relay you can use instead |
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| 02:46.46 | zzing | dvs, thank you for adding another tool to my toolbag |
| 02:46.58 | dvs | np |
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| 02:53.56 | zzing | Something I was wondering about the apache2.4 package in experimental: the bugs list all seem to be for 2.2, so does the 2.4 package staying in experimental have anything to do with wheezy being close to finished? It has a feature I want, but I am also trying to be rather cautious. |
| 02:55.15 | Arrowmaster | yes its likely because of the freeze |
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| 02:56.11 | Cyclohexane | Would jailed shells but sufficient isolation to stop malicious users breaking out? |
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| 02:56.28 | zzing | If that is the case, would it be correct to say that I could likely get an equivalent package by compiling that from source comparable to the 2.2 installed now? |
| 02:56.37 | kupo | can anyone assist me with debugging a dpkg-buildpackage ? |
| 02:56.50 | kupo | I'm trying to get crypto-dev working for openssl |
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| 03:03.24 | Infiltrator | kupo: What's the error? |
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| 03:09.11 | kupo | Infiltrator: it comes at the tail end of a long build process |
| 03:09.54 | kupo | Infiltrator: make: *** [binary-arch] Error 3 |
| 03:09.54 | kupo | dpkg-buildpackage: error: debian/rules binary gave error exit status 2 |
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| 03:12.51 | Infiltrator | Need more than that. Pastebin it. |
| 03:13.20 | kupo | Infiltrator: there's this http://forum.doozan.com/read.php?2,9619 |
| 03:13.36 | kupo | where I've been seeking advice on the specific hw platform |
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| 03:25.37 | kupo | Infiltrator: any thoughts |
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| 03:26.21 | Infiltrator | Can you pastebin from make onwards? |
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| 03:39.36 | kupo | Infiltrator: the last link in the forum should go to a pastebin of that |
| 03:39.54 | kupo | http://paste.debian.net/223933/ |
| 03:40.05 | kupo | or at least as much of the scrollback as I could copy |
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| 03:40.33 | kupo | is there an error or log for dpkg-buildpackage in a location normally? |
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| 03:44.11 | Infiltrator | stout is the error log, I think. You could always pipe it to a file, though. |
| 03:44.22 | Infiltrator | er stderr |
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| 03:44.36 | nas | http://debian.yorku.ca/debian/pool/main/c/compiz-fusion-plugins-main/ |
| 03:44.41 | nas | i dont know why i cant apt that |
| 03:44.42 | Infiltrator | And sorry, I can't see where the error is coming from. |
| 03:44.47 | nas | apt-cache search doesnt find it |
| 03:44.49 | nas | why? |
| 03:44.59 | nas | is it becuase i have it set for testing? |
| 03:45.13 | kupo | Infiltrator: if you could tell me how to do that I can re-run and post it |
| 03:45.25 | kupo | the redirect stout to a file |
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| 03:45.51 | Infiltrator | command 2>&1 > path/to/file |
| 03:45.55 | Infiltrator | kupo: ^ |
| 03:46.01 | kupo | kk I'll give it a shot |
| 03:47.42 | kupo | Infiltrator: I keep getting a bunch of "DEB_HOST_MULTIARCH is not a supported variable name at /usr/bin/dpkg-architecture line 214." |
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| 03:52.30 | scooty_puff | has anyone tried the gnome 2 fork, mate? |
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| 03:53.39 | trist4n | i like it |
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| 03:55.05 | scooty_puff | how stable is it? will things like compiz work with it |
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| 04:12.52 | civillian | I have a Xen 3.0 host with no GUI, how do I boot a domU guest into clonezilla with no GUI? |
| 04:15.10 | zykotick9 | nas: i could be wrong, but i don't think compiz is in wheezy due to bug #677864 |
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| 04:39.02 | mmnicolas | nas: wheezy is not in compiz |
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| 04:48.22 | somiaj | looks liek that is dyslicix |
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| 04:53.44 | mmnicolas | yes |
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| 05:02.01 | somiaj | nas: right now you can use the sid version of compliz in wheezy, but once wheezy stablised and sid is no longer sluggish that will be a very bad idea. But if you really want compiz that is the way to do it. Just remove the sid sources once you install and realize it won't get updates. |
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| 05:25.21 | nas | im apting out of sid |
| 05:25.51 | nas | but for some reason that particular package compiz-fusion-plugins-main wont show up |
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| 05:29.41 | mmnicolas | http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=compiz-fusion-plugins-main , it is in sid, bad mirror maybe |
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| 05:30.49 | xbanux | hey ppl....i have a debian server setup with different partition for the /var partition....the output of df -h is "/dev/sda7 56G 52G 252M 100% /var" |
| 05:31.17 | xbanux | which shows 56GB is assigned for /var partition and 52GB is full... |
| 05:31.30 | xbanux | but it shows 100% of /var is used... |
| 05:32.05 | canvon | xbanux: there are by default 5% reserved for root |
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| 05:33.15 | mmnicolas | 5% is 2.8GB but df rounds up numbers with -h |
| 05:33.48 | mmnicolas | so that's exactly what is it, you can use tune2fs to change that |
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| 05:33.53 | mmnicolas | *it is |
| 05:33.59 | xbanux | ohk...thanks alot for the help guys :) |
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| 05:37.25 | mmnicolas | but you should just cleanup theses logs and apt's cache or something, what do you have in there ? LXC containers ? |
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| 05:38.38 | canvon | might also take up space for the filesystem itself / meta-data, which is not included in "Used" as it's no user data. (just guessing) |
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| 05:39.29 | mmnicolas | isn't that already accounted for ? |
| 05:39.40 | Kalidarn | hmm, i noticed there's no .sign files for the debian-testing isos? |
| 05:40.00 | mmnicolas | Kalidarn: what was in there ? |
| 05:40.25 | Kalidarn | mmnicolas: well i looked in http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/amd64/iso-cd/ no .sign files for the checksums |
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| 05:41.03 | Kalidarn | it says here i should validate them http://www.debian.org/CD/verify :P |
| 05:41.05 | mmnicolas | never used that, there are SHA1 and MD5 sums |
| 05:41.15 | mmnicolas | for that |
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| 05:41.21 | Kalidarn | yes but the SHA1 and MD5 sums should be signed. |
| 05:41.57 | mmnicolas | wow, wasnt aware of that, probably only done for stable releases |
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| 05:42.09 | cardamon | This is annoying. I changed the port line in /etc/ssh/sshd_config to "Port 10099" but get no route to host when I try to connect. |
| 05:42.19 | Kalidarn | well it's because MD5/SHA-1 can be made by anyone |
| 05:42.37 | mmnicolas | Kalidarn: well.. it comes from the right server, you can compare with any other mirror |
| 05:42.38 | cardamon | On the other hand, port 22 gets a connection refused, so I clearly switched ports. |
| 05:42.42 | Kalidarn | where as the sign file can only be made by whoever holds the private Debian CD signing key. |
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| 05:43.32 | BONG_IT | how can i fix initramfs |
| 05:43.35 | mmnicolas | Kalidarn: the first line clearly says it: "Official releases of Debian CDs come with signed checksum files" |
| 05:43.47 | Kalidarn | mmnicolas: might also be of interest to you: http://wiki.debian.org/SecureApt |
| 05:43.53 | Kalidarn | yeah i thought that might be the case |
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| 05:44.01 | Kalidarn | but i couldn't find them for the stable version either. |
| 05:44.33 | cardamon | I never put a firewall on my host, although it may be from tasksel, if the KDE desktop pulls one in. |
| 05:44.34 | Kalidarn | oh wait, yes |
| 05:44.36 | Kalidarn | you're right |
| 05:44.37 | mmnicolas | Kalidarn: yea they're there: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.6/amd64/iso-cd/ |
| 05:44.39 | canvon | mmnicolas: if the "100%" 52G are in fact 95% of available space after file system creation, 52 / 95 * 100 == ~54.7G were available after fs creation. with 56G of partition size, this leaves 1.3G for filesystem-internal data structures. (at least one could make up the math that way.) |
| 05:44.41 | Kalidarn | yeah |
| 05:44.58 | cardamon | Anyone know? |
| 05:45.09 | Kalidarn | mmnicolas: who would have thought the stable version of debian was 52 cds big ;) |
| 05:45.26 | Kalidarn | i seriously have to wonder, who downloads them all |
| 05:45.34 | mmnicolas | canvon: I would have expected the block count to match that 5% perfectly, if OP can get us the output without -h |
| 05:45.41 | Kalidarn | i guess it would be useful if you lived in north korea |
| 05:46.00 | Kalidarn | although, not really because you'd get no security updates. |
| 05:46.56 | Kalidarn | i guess that's what the 13 debian-update discs are for |
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| 05:49.40 | mmnicolas | cardamon: have you tried turning it off and on again |
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| 05:50.38 | cardamon | mmnicolas: I invoke.rc ssh restart on the host. |
| 05:51.11 | mmnicolas | and you're in the same LAN ? |
| 05:51.17 | cardamon | Yup. |
| 05:52.34 | cardamon | The NAT is open on that port and forwarded to the host, which has a static DHCP entry. It's key-pair authed for security...I just move the port because otherwise I get useless attacks on 22 filling up my logs. |
| 05:52.53 | cardamon | but anyway, it should still work from within the network. |
| 05:53.34 | canvon | mmnicolas: you're probably right |
| 05:55.11 | mmnicolas | cardamon: what if you remove the forward |
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| 05:55.42 | cardamon | mmnicolas: Then I can't connect from outside the network. |
| 05:55.53 | mmnicolas | cardamon: maybe some fancy router's security is preventing you from using such high-ports |
| 05:56.22 | cardamon | mmnicolas: It isn't. It's worked before. I just reformatted this machine. The router's unchanged. |
| 05:56.27 | mmnicolas | at least try, you say "it should still work from within the network", give it all the chances |
| 05:56.57 | cardamon | mmnicolas: It worked fine until I changed the port as well, from within the network. |
| 05:57.37 | mmnicolas | well, by default nothing in debian prevents from doing this, I'm actually using a high port like your for the very same reason |
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| 05:58.20 | mmnicolas | I'm assuming you rebooted the router |
| 05:58.49 | cardamon | Why would I? |
| 05:59.02 | mmnicolas | Because you don't know what's wrong. |
| 05:59.37 | cardamon | I know enough to know that's not it. |
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| 06:02.45 | mmnicolas | Well, it would work under my sight I'm pretty sure of that |
| 06:06.10 | mmnicolas | The thing with diagnosing weird issues you can't explain is to "try" things. Powercycling a domestic router is one of the very first things to do, and if it doesn't work, I'd reset it, and if that doesn't work, I'd replace it, before even trying to find the issue in Debian. |
| 06:06.20 | BONG_IT | how can i fix initramfs |
| 06:06.43 | Kalidarn | BONG_IT: speak to it softly. |
| 06:06.46 | mmnicolas | BONG_IT: why is it broken. |
| 06:07.07 | Kalidarn | also don't repeat yourself. |
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| 06:13.40 | mmnicolas | guess what, cardamon's ssh is working now: ssh -p 10099 mute@c-24-30-40-161.hsd1.ga.comcast.net |
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| 06:17.43 | Heikki_ | ok, somethinhg is eating my memory, how do i sort things in "top" or is there another way to show memory usage? |
| 06:18.12 | Heikki_ | per process |
| 06:18.22 | mmnicolas | Heikki_: press "h" |
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| 06:19.25 | mmnicolas | ..just press "m", but remember "h" |
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| 06:20.02 | Heikki_ | ok :) thanks |
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| 06:23.33 | mmnicolas | are you familiar with memory management ? are you from the Windows world by any chance ? |
| 06:23.51 | mmnicolas | your memory is probably fine then |
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| 06:24.26 | Heikki_ | heh, i havent been using windows for ages |
| 06:25.14 | mmnicolas | what were you using OS X ? |
| 06:25.23 | Heikki_ | ubuntu + debian |
| 06:26.57 | mmnicolas | so, what was the culprit ? |
| 06:27.05 | mmnicolas | process |
| 06:29.09 | Heikki_ | i didn't find any. or spamd is using 7% but i think that is ok with 768MB ram |
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| 06:30.45 | Heikki_ | i just run too many services for that amount of memory, it seems |
| 06:31.46 | mmnicolas | Heikki_: what happens it hangs ? |
| 06:31.57 | Heikki_ | actually, there are 3 processes of spamd taking each approximately 7% |
| 06:32.12 | Heikki_ | it hangs by killing apache2 and php-cgi |
| 06:32.36 | Heikki_ | out of memory |
| 06:33.10 | Heikki_ | i have 1G swap now, should be good for a while.. |
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| 06:33.51 | mmnicolas | Preventing it from swapping would be preferable |
| 06:33.55 | Heikki_ | yea |
| 06:34.25 | mmnicolas | I'm pretty sure you can tune apache to have a lighter memory footprint |
| 06:34.44 | Heikki_ | any ideas on that? :> |
| 06:35.40 | mmnicolas | using mpm-worker or prefork ? |
| 06:36.21 | mmnicolas | using mpm-worker is better already |
| 06:36.26 | Heikki_ | how do i see that? |
| 06:37.34 | mmnicolas | check if this package is installed: apache2-mpm-prefork, or you'd probably recognize it from the config file I guess |
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| 06:38.19 | mmnicolas | if it is, install this one instead: apache2-mpm-worker, it should conflict with -prefork |
| 06:39.32 | Heikki_ | ok, and i need to tune the log level also |
| 06:39.59 | Heikki_ | since i replaced apache error log yesterday, and now it is already incresed by 2.2G |
| 06:40.05 | Heikki_ | :D |
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| 06:42.10 | mmnicolas | if replacing prefork for worker and tuning the worker settings is not enough, consider something else, maybe lighttpd, it has "light" in the name |
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| 06:45.17 | Name141 | During boot to the install I get "there was a problem reading data from the removable media. Please make sure that the right media is present. If you continue to have trouble your removable media might be bad." |
| 06:45.43 | Heikki_ | how do i disable from php.ini the output of php notices of a missing variable? |
| 06:46.16 | Heikki_ | PHP Notice: Undefined variable: pageID_navi |
| 06:46.43 | Heikki_ | ~E_NOTICE ? |
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| 06:47.43 | mmnicolas | Name141: ..? |
| 06:48.39 | mmnicolas | Name141: There was a problem reading data from your removable media ? |
| 06:48.41 | Name141 | mmnicolas: ..... ? |
| 06:48.46 | Name141 | I guess so |
| 06:48.54 | Name141 | it was gonna load the CD-ROM driver, but failed |
| 06:49.07 | Name141 | or the CD-ROM |
| 06:50.02 | mmnicolas | if you're looking for someone to ask you: "Have you tried another medium ? Have you tried another optical drive ? Have you tried turning it off and on again ?" It's me. |
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| 06:50.25 | Name141 | mmnicolas: I'll try downloading a live torrent |
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| 06:50.51 | mmnicolas | Have you checked the MD5SUM ? |
| 06:51.07 | Name141 | Not sure what program to use for that |
| 06:51.35 | Name141 | I used to have a command line md5.exe |
| 06:51.36 | pmo | hmm i installed openssh-server on my debian wheezy desktop.. why does apt recommend me use ufw when i already have iptables? |
| 06:51.38 | Name141 | but lost it |
| 06:51.46 | mmnicolas | Name141: md5sum |
| 06:51.50 | pmo | me to use* |
| 06:51.52 | Name141 | mmnicolas: in linux |
| 06:51.54 | Name141 | it is |
| 06:51.56 | Name141 | not windows 7 |
| 06:52.18 | mmnicolas | Name141: Have you tried "md5sum" ? |
| 06:52.31 | Name141 | 'md5sum' is not recognized as an internal or external command, |
| 06:52.31 | Name141 | operable program or batch file. |
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| 06:53.21 | Name141 | I suppose I could ask ##windows .. |
| 06:53.55 | pmo | dont mention linux in there tho, they will fry you |
| 06:54.32 | Name141 | I just don't want to go on an all out witch hunt for one use :p |
| 06:55.20 | tralala | pmo, apt doesn't make "smart" recommendations, it only recommends whatever it finds it the package info. |
| 06:55.47 | pmo | ok, i was just wondering about why it would show me an ubuntu package hehehe |
| 06:56.31 | tralala | it shouldn't - it should only recommend/suggest debian packages |
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| 06:57.09 | tralala | and ufw happens to be such a package, even if it has ubuntu mainstream |
| 06:58.16 | pmo | yea just asking in here, to see if i missed something important about ssh hehe |
| 06:58.32 | Name141 | mmnicolas: 00585D63F8A560A73540BD718263319A |
| 06:58.53 | Name141 | 00585d63f8a560a73540bd718263319a debian-6.0.6-amd64-netinst.iso |
| 06:58.53 | Name141 | seems to match |
| 06:58.59 | Name141 | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.6/amd64/bt-cd/MD5SUMS |
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| 06:59.29 | Name141 | any idea why it wont read from the USB stick? |
| 06:59.29 | mmnicolas | Name141: run it on the burned media too |
| 06:59.36 | Name141 | ..eh.. |
| 06:59.53 | Name141 | all the single files?! |
| 07:00.02 | mmnicolas | no, the block device |
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| 07:01.25 | Name141 | 'block device' ? |
| 07:01.35 | tralala | Name141, are you under windows? |
| 07:01.38 | Name141 | yes |
| 07:01.50 | phy1729 | I have a wifi AP setup with bridging and hostapd. It worked previously and now only works intermittently ( one packet will get through every 30 sec or so) what might I try to diagnose this? |
| 07:02.22 | Name141 | tralala: I used unetbootin to copy the ISO |
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| 07:03.02 | tralala | phy1729, tcpdump on the bridge |
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| 07:04.21 | tralala | Name141, and it doesn't boot? |
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| 07:04.56 | Name141 | tralala: it gets to "loading CD-ROM drivers" and then craps out |
| 07:05.09 | mmnicolas | Name141: yea.. forgot about that, maybe "md5 d:" ? |
| 07:05.13 | tralala | Name141, do you have another usb stick? |
| 07:05.32 | Name141 | tralala: No, but I'm downloading a LIVE ISO now to see if it has any better luck |
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| 07:06.01 | tralala | Name141, since the .iso in ok my guess is that the stick has a problem |
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| 07:06.16 | Name141 | tralala: It worked for Fedora , OpenSUSE, Mint, etc |
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| 07:07.02 | tralala | which installer are you using? |
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| 07:08.00 | Name141 | when it gets done writing this time, debian-live-6.0.6-amd64-xfce-desktop |
| 07:08.07 | Name141 | I was using the netinstall |
| 07:08.13 | mmnicolas | yea, he might be using an installer that isn't set with iso-hybrid |
| 07:08.39 | mmnicolas | Name141: how did you write the iso on the usb stick on windows exactly ? unetbootin ? |
| 07:08.45 | Name141 | mmnicolas.. yes.. |
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| 07:09.18 | Name141 | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current-live/amd64/iso-hybrid/MD5SUMS MD5 matches too |
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| 07:09.54 | Name141 | I assume there's no reason to try to revert back to just 32 bit? |
| 07:10.48 | mmnicolas | not if it's 64-bit capable |
| 07:11.09 | Name141 | It's an E2160 with some Foxcon rebranded Dell motherboard |
| 07:11.10 | mmnicolas | Name141: things like this happened already: https://bugs.launchpad.net/unetbootin/+bug/338455 |
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| 07:12.20 | Name141 | ehh |
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| 07:12.37 | Name141 | so it's something to do with unetbootin ? |
| 07:13.16 | Name141 | unetbootin is the latest (583) |
| 07:14.43 | Name141 | are there other options (other than unetbootin) that work |
| 07:15.03 | mmnicolas | Name141: dd for windows ? or maybe rawrite |
| 07:15.47 | Name141 | mmnicolas: what about yumi? http://www.pendrivelinux.com/yumi-multiboot-usb-creator/ |
| 07:16.15 | lasers | What's the dpkg/judd factoid for using DebianUnstable package on Testing? |
| 07:16.23 | mmnicolas | Name141: don't know about that, but look at this: http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=53256&p=307072#p307103 |
| 07:17.49 | tralala | Name141, you can use qemu to boot the installer, go to recovery console and use dd there for copying it to the stick |
| 07:18.32 | Name141 | I'll see what 'yumi' does first I guess |
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| 07:22.32 | mmnicolas | Name141: it probably does the same thing unetbootin does: tampering with the iso. |
| 07:22.39 | mmnicolas | see this: http://www.chrysocome.net/dd |
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| 07:22.50 | Name141 | well, it made it to the desktop.. I'll see if install works |
| 07:23.00 | Name141 | ....son of a.. |
| 07:23.06 | Name141 | I got confused on lxde and xfce again |
| 07:23.09 | Name141 | and got the wrong one |
| 07:23.15 | Name141 | mumbles |
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| 07:23.27 | mmnicolas | doesn't matter, just don't check "Graphical desktop" yet |
| 07:23.44 | mmnicolas | I mean, at tasksel |
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| 07:24.50 | Name141 | mmnicolas: well, it made it to the live desktop but the debian installer wont run |
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| 07:25.56 | mmnicolas | that was the wrong direction anyway |
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| 07:26.15 | mmnicolas | The problem is with complex tools that try to do too much, you want simpler tools |
| 07:26.18 | mmnicolas | like dd |
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| 07:28.28 | Name141 | mmnicolas: I'm trying the stable 'hdmedia' netinstall in unetbootin as it says. |
| 07:28.45 | mmnicolas | Name141: that is very likely to work |
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| 07:30.00 | Name141 | mmnicolas: well it's mounting the drives. more than what happened last time |
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| 07:31.11 | Name141 | mmnicolas: uh.. looks like I have to put the ISO somewhere on the USB stick myself? |
| 07:31.30 | Name141 | yeah.. |
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| 07:32.49 | Infiltrator | lasers: Note this part especially: "If you have to ask whether you should use it or how, you shouldn't." |
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| 07:34.51 | Name141 | mmnicolas: yeah after all that, it's finally letting me go through with install |
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| 07:40.00 | mwargh | hi |
| 07:40.17 | mwargh | anyone know about if debian repositories were breached ever? |
| 07:40.28 | mwargh | i mean, malicious packets inserted or stuff? |
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| 07:41.19 | pmo | mwargh: im pretty sure the debian devs check all packages before added |
| 07:41.19 | Infiltrator | mwargh: Well, I know that the packages are signed, so even if that happened, it'd be noticed before anything happened. |
| 07:41.30 | mwargh | i'm not talking about this |
| 07:41.37 | mwargh | i know a little how debian security works |
| 07:41.55 | mwargh | i mean, incidents like kernel.org brech or freebsd packages server breach |
| 07:42.05 | Name141 | isn't that sweet, now it's saying bad archive mirror |
| 07:42.19 | pmo | well i know you can make your system insecure by installing php |
| 07:42.22 | mwargh | i reasonably trust debian security team |
| 07:42.25 | pmo | but that is on any distro |
| 07:42.43 | mwargh | but i just want to convince one guy that debian repositories weren't breached ever |
| 07:42.47 | Name141 | says warning **: mirror doesn not support the specificed release (squeeze) |
| 07:42.53 | Name141 | does not |
| 07:42.57 | mwargh | or were they? |
| 07:43.03 | mwargh | google isn't wery helpful here |
| 07:43.04 | pmo | afaik nope |
| 07:43.18 | mwargh | http://www.zdnet.com/debian-server-hacked-1139263270/ |
| 07:43.20 | mwargh | all i found |
| 07:43.36 | pmo | anyways mwargh in reality there are only 2 main linux distro's |
| 07:43.41 | pmo | Debian and Redhat |
| 07:43.42 | zjhxmjl | hi guys |
| 07:43.43 | zjhxmjl | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:43.48 | mwargh | pmo: not what i'm asking |
| 07:43.58 | pmo | would one of them ever be breached everyone would know |
| 07:44.01 | pmo | so yes it is :P |
| 07:44.05 | mwargh | i'm not evaluating if debian is good/bad debian |
| 07:44.10 | Name141 | http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=80657 |
| 07:44.10 | mwargh | huh |
| 07:44.12 | mwargh | now |
| 07:44.13 | Name141 | ;/ |
| 07:44.31 | Infiltrator | zjhxmjl: Only by owner, group, or other. |
| 07:44.35 | mwargh | i want to find list of internal security incidents |
| 07:44.37 | mwargh | i found one |
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| 07:44.57 | mwargh | in 2006 |
| 07:45.18 | pmo | i can make that post happen with MITM Name141 :P |
| 07:45.26 | pmo | nothing to do with debian tho :P |
| 07:45.33 | mwargh | (i use debian and will use it lol, aptitude is magic) |
| 07:45.45 | Name141 | pmo: what |
| 07:45.53 | pmo | man in the middle :P |
| 07:46.07 | zjhxmjl | Infiltrator:only,omg:( |
| 07:46.10 | pmo | so i can force you to download what i want you to, everything else be down :P |
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| 07:46.33 | Infiltrator | zjhxmjl: I think that SELinux might have finer grained controls; take a look into it. |
| 07:46.33 | mwargh | i guess i should write them |
| 07:46.34 | zjhxmjl | someone tell me to use selinux |
| 07:46.38 | pmo | its easy these days, teens do it |
| 07:46.40 | mwargh | use apparmor |
| 07:47.36 | pmo | however archlinux and such is a another story, not long ago pacman got support for signed packages :P |
| 07:47.46 | pmo | they wouldnt have known |
| 07:48.47 | Name141 | how do you edit your repos? where are they? |
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| 07:48.53 | mwargh | mitm, easy? r u nuts? |
| 07:48.59 | mwargh | everyone uses ssl these days |
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| 07:49.05 | mwargh | even teens |
| 07:49.11 | pmo | mwargh: sslstrip :) |
| 07:49.13 | pmo | solved |
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| 07:49.55 | mwargh | can is hijack my connection to gmail? |
| 07:49.57 | mwargh | i doubt it |
| 07:50.18 | pmo | you can even install sslstrip from the official debian repo |
| 07:50.36 | Name141 | seems only thing in /etc/apt/sources.list was security |
| 07:51.10 | pmo | anyways im not gonna do anything about your doubt, be ignorant about it.. or just take it from a guy that is in the security scene :) |
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| 07:51.50 | mwargh | i'm reading about it |
| 07:51.50 | mwargh | hm |
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| 07:52.44 | Infiltrator | Name141: This is the squeeze line: deb http://ftp.au.debian.org/debian/ squeeze main |
| 07:52.58 | Infiltrator | Name141: Tweak it for your country, of course. |
| 07:53.10 | mwargh | Running our HTTPS stripping attack, the victim will now get the same webpage but over HTTP: |
| 07:53.13 | mwargh | easy to spot |
| 07:53.16 | mwargh | http://www.blog.asafewebsite.com/2011/02/https-stripping-attack-using-sslstrip.html |
| 07:53.21 | mwargh | i would |
| 07:53.23 | mwargh | i think |
| 07:53.29 | Name141 | Infiltrator: that'll get me to where I need to be, to install a desktop, etc |
| 07:53.33 | mwargh | also i type https://some shit directly |
| 07:53.40 | mwargh | so its redirect magic won't work |
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| 07:53.54 | pmo | mwargh: so no website all all :P |
| 07:53.58 | mwargh | ? |
| 07:54.00 | mwargh | why? |
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| 07:54.25 | mwargh | anyway, it will show in the browser that something is wrong with certificate |
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| 07:54.35 | mwargh | ah, yeah, i get it |
| 07:54.37 | mwargh | anyway |
| 07:54.38 | mmnicolas | Name141: use http.debian.net |
| 07:54.38 | pmo | you connect with ssl from your computer to the attackers machine, then a new ssl connection from the attackers machine to the host you want to reach |
| 07:54.44 | Infiltrator | Name141: It will give you the squeeze repo; then you can apt-get update and install whichever packages you like. |
| 07:54.51 | pmo | in a browser yes it will |
| 07:55.03 | mwargh | pmo: so attackers machine need to have some ssl cert |
| 07:55.07 | mwargh | which is different |
| 07:55.17 | pmo | they get a new one from the site you want to go to |
| 07:55.26 | mwargh | ? |
| 07:55.49 | pmo | you have an ssl connection to the attacker, when you type in the adress to the website |
| 07:55.51 | mwargh | how do you get cert that's signed by verisign that tells ya that your machine is valid for gmail.com |
| 07:56.02 | pmo | the attacker then gets ssl between him and the site |
| 07:56.14 | mwargh | yep, i get this, interesting attack, thanks |
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| 07:56.33 | mwargh | it sure is easy to fool many people |
| 07:56.33 | lasers | Infiltrator: Lost connection. Late to the party. Thank you for the !. |
| 07:56.42 | pmo | mwargh: check out hak5.. loads of beginner howto's like sslstrip :) |
| 07:57.06 | mwargh | pmo: i'd like to learn how to pentest shit i admin |
| 07:57.11 | mwargh | will check |
| 07:57.20 | pmo | hak5 will be able to teach your the basics :) |
| 07:57.44 | pmo | but from there, you have to learn yourself :) |
| 07:57.50 | mwargh | i'd like to install damn vulnerable linux on my dev server with vm's |
| 07:57.54 | mwargh | but can't find iso |
| 07:57.58 | Name141 | I assume I need the backports for all the mp3/media players, etc? |
| 07:57.59 | mwargh | well i can |
| 07:58.05 | mwargh | but i don't trust it lol |
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| 07:59.01 | mwargh | http://thepiratebay.se/search/damn%20vulnerable%20linux/0/99/0 |
| 07:59.01 | mwargh | lol |
| 07:59.05 | mwargh | name is funny |
| 07:59.49 | mwargh | hey, opera can has bittorent right? |
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| 08:07.15 | mwargh | fond it |
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| 08:08.48 | mwargh | http://downloads.sourceforge.net/project/virtualhacking/os/dvl/DVL_1.5_Infectious_Disease.iso |
| 08:08.55 | mwargh | hmm |
| 08:09.03 | mwargh | i should really learn this shit a bit |
| 08:09.37 | mwargh | i know how to protect my boxes a bit (checksumming, log shipping, etc) |
| 08:09.40 | mwargh | but need more) |
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| 08:14.00 | MirceaCelBatran | http://www.facebook.com/undergroundmusichouse |
| 08:14.08 | MirceaCelBatran | need your help . please like this page |
| 08:14.13 | MirceaCelBatran | http://www.facebook.com/undergroundmusichouse |
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| 08:15.40 | willemb | I need to determine when the last time is my debian package database was updated. |
| 08:15.50 | willemb | ie, when last did aptitude update or apt-get update run successfully |
| 08:16.00 | willemb | is there a straight-forward way to do that? |
| 08:16.08 | mmnicolas | willemb: why |
| 08:16.09 | well_laid_lawn | there should be a log |
| 08:16.26 | adc | willemb: what about the timestamp on /var/cache/apt/pkgcache.bin ? |
| 08:17.01 | mmnicolas | check the timestamp on /var/lib/dpkg/status |
| 08:17.12 | mmnicolas | or that |
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| 08:22.59 | willemb | mmnicolas: because i use cron-apt to schedula aptitude updates, and I want to monitor when last that happened successfully |
| 08:23.17 | willemb | so that I am not surprised by out of date packages |
| 08:23.23 | willemb | it looks like this might be the way: |
| 08:23.25 | willemb | stat -c %y /var/lib/apt/periodic/update-success-stamp |
| 08:23.46 | mmnicolas | willemb: in that case you should be receiving mail about it |
| 08:24.11 | mmnicolas | willemb: that is only is you use apt::periodic, which you haven't told us |
| 08:24.35 | willemb | mmnicolas: yeah, i see that works on my workstation, but not neccessarily elsewhere |
| 08:24.46 | willemb | I cannot rely on receiving an email, I have 1900 hosts to worry about |
| 08:24.50 | mmnicolas | where there is a mailer |
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| 08:25.14 | mmnicolas | ..then parse the mailbox ? |
| 08:25.56 | willemb | and if the mta on some hosts are broken? |
| 08:26.25 | willemb | i dislike relying on email for monitoring |
| 08:26.46 | mmnicolas | ok then script something to inform you of its status via twitter,facebook and some other random custom made sites |
| 08:26.57 | Innocentus | willemb: I don't know that tool and I haven't used it yet (altough I plan to install it): nagios or icinga or some server monitoring software |
| 08:27.35 | mmnicolas | yea, for 1900 hosts we wonder why isnt there such a monitoring system in place |
| 08:27.40 | Innocentus | right |
| 08:27.44 | Innocentus | I would craze out |
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| 08:27.57 | willemb | We have a monitoring system |
| 08:27.58 | Innocentus | and an install system like puppet is also missing |
| 08:28.06 | Innocentus | willemb: so just extend it |
| 08:28.09 | willemb | what makes you think all of that? |
| 08:28.11 | willemb | we have puppet |
| 08:28.12 | Innocentus | willemb: one param more |
| 08:28.13 | willemb | we have zabbix |
| 08:28.29 | willemb | you still have to tech it how to monitor things |
| 08:28.31 | Innocentus | willemb: I don't know if it is a good idea to upgrade all boxes via apt |
| 08:28.40 | willemb | so what should I tell zabbix to look for? |
| 08:29.04 | Innocentus | willemb: better way would be to upgrade _one_ machine, check if it still works correctly (because things can break, yeah) and then use the same packages |
| 08:29.23 | Innocentus | willemb: anyways: https://www.zabbix.com/forum/showthread.php?t=18756 |
| 08:29.41 | Innocentus | willemb: I guess all hosts got the same system? at least? |
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| 08:31.04 | willemb | got the same system? |
| 08:31.09 | willemb | they are all on debian stable, yes |
| 08:31.28 | willemb | anyhoo, i use cron-apt to run apt-get update, not apt-get upgrade |
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| 08:32.16 | willemb | then i expose the output of |
| 08:32.17 | willemb | aptitude -F%p --disable-columns search \~U |
| 08:32.23 | willemb | as an mcollective fact |
| 08:32.28 | Innocentus | willemb: have you looked on the link? they describe how to check regularily apt update status with zabbix |
| 08:32.38 | willemb | i could expose it as a zabbix item as well |
| 08:32.48 | Innocentus | willemb: do all hosts also got the same set of programs and config? |
| 08:32.49 | willemb | and alert when it is not zero-lenth |
| 08:32.59 | willemb | i am reading it now |
| 08:33.02 | willemb | they are similar |
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| 08:33.09 | willemb | we have like, 4 classes of server |
| 08:33.11 | Innocentus | willemb: One important thing - all boxes would download the same stuff. |
| 08:33.20 | Innocentus | willemb: so there is much unnecessary traffic |
| 08:33.35 | Innocentus | willemb: are the hosts directly connected to each other (lan / some server thing)? |
| 08:33.58 | Innocentus | willemb: you could have one master host which downloads and holds the necessary packages and distributes them |
| 08:34.05 | Innocentus | willemb: then only one download would be required |
| 08:34.16 | willemb | we have debian mirrors for every 400 or so machines |
| 08:34.25 | willemb | look, my workflow works well |
| 08:34.39 | Innocentus | willemb: you want to be notified if an upgrade fails, right? |
| 08:34.42 | willemb | all that is missing, is to cache when the automated apt-get update fails to run |
| 08:35.05 | Innocentus | willemb: ah, not upgrade but up_date_ |
| 08:35.20 | willemb | yup |
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| 08:36.25 | willemb | i meant 'catch' |
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| 08:37.12 | Innocentus | willemb: because upgrading shouldn't be simply croned, too much can fail. this article can be interesting: http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=de&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fblog.schatenseite.en%2Farchives%2F2012%2F10%2F25%2Fzabbix-und-enbian-pakete%2F |
| 08:37.19 | willemb | that existing zabbix check suffers from the problem I already face |
| 08:37.34 | willemb | if there is a problem with your sources list, and the update fails, you will have issues |
| 08:37.39 | Innocentus | willemb: sorry, wrong link: http://translate.google.de/translate?hl=de&sl=de&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fblog.schatenseite.de%2Farchives%2F2012%2F10%2F25%2Fzabbix-und-debian-pakete%2F |
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| 08:38.07 | Innocentus | willemb: it is described how to cron apt-get update and log such events with zabbix (as I understand) |
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| 08:38.17 | Innocentus | willemb: I am looking for something in english |
| 08:38.55 | Pegasus_RPG | Hello. Can someone ping the Samba4 package maintainer to update it? And how long does it take for package updates to reach Wheezy? |
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| 08:39.16 | folivora | Hello, seems that Debian Wheezy (include: firmware) fails to install on Dell PowerEdge R815 |
| 08:39.33 | folivora | It hangs on "Detecting Network Hardware" |
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| 08:39.42 | willemb | Infiltrator: I think that link is fine |
| 08:39.44 | folivora | Anyone got any experiences of this ? |
| 08:39.59 | Pegasus_RPG | folivora: what does the console log show? (ALT-F2 I think) |
| 08:39.59 | willemb | i didn't know you could do this: PT::Update::Post-Invoke-Success |
| 08:40.25 | willemb | if i just make that touch some cache file, I can know to freak out when that file is more than 26 hours old |
| 08:40.26 | Innocentus | willemb: the article is translated by google translator, it can be a little bit painful to read |
| 08:40.45 | Innocentus | willemb: you could put the touch operation also into that hook |
| 08:40.52 | willemb | yeah |
| 08:40.58 | willemb | thanks, i am sure this will sort me out |
| 08:41.06 | Innocentus | willemb: np :) |
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| 08:41.18 | folivora | Pegasus_RPG: busybox is active on tty2 |
| 08:42.06 | Pegasus_RPG | folivora: one of the ttys should show a log |
| 08:42.07 | willemb | I also didn't know about this zabbix_sender stuff |
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| 08:42.20 | willemb | is it like the old nagios active checks? |
| 08:42.32 | folivora | Pegasus_RPG: check syslog |
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| 08:44.14 | Innocentus | willemb: I guess zabbix_sender is more generic for simply sending stuff while nagios active check is more specific (active / passive mode): https://www.zabbix.com/documentation/1.8/manpages/zabbix_sender http://nagios.sourceforge.net/docs/3_0/activechecks.html |
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| 08:44.54 | Innocentus | willemb: but zabbix also supports active checks: https://www.zabbix.com/documentation/2.0/manual/appendix/items/activepassive |
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| 08:45.40 | folivora | Pegasus_RPG: seems that it is "jamming" on the idrac disk. Tho I wonder why it can even see the disk |
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| 08:46.40 | yati | Hi. How can I install a locally stored .deb package using aptitude? I know I can do it with dpkg, but I should be able to do it with aptitude also, right? |
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| 08:48.15 | Innocentus | yati: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-newbie-8/possible-to-use-aptitude-to-install-a-deb-not-in-a-repository-752706/ |
| 08:48.31 | Innocentus | yati: read also the last post there |
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| 08:50.19 | Kredo | hi guys, need help: Device /dev/ttyUSB0 is locked (I locked it with pon) - can I send/rcv sms while this gsm modem is connected to the internet? thanks |
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| 08:51.55 | Innocentus | Kredo: well, when I had a gsm modem (usb stick or whatever) connected to my pc I still was able to send and receive sms - and any phone (which also got a gsm facility) also |
| 08:52.06 | Innocentus | Kredo: but this was on windows |
| 08:52.24 | Kredo | debarm:~# minicom -D /dev/ttyUSB0 |
| 08:52.24 | Kredo | Device /dev/ttyUSB0 is locked. |
| 08:52.29 | Innocentus | Kredo: you could try this one: http://www.codeproject.com/Articles/38705/Send-and-Read-SMS-through-a-GSM-Modem-using-AT-Com |
| 08:52.39 | Innocentus | Kredo: I mean the commands there |
| 08:52.48 | Kredo | wait.. I KNOW how to send sms and receive them |
| 08:52.59 | Kredo | but I cannot do it while conencted to the internet with pon |
| 08:53.20 | yati | Innocentus, thanks :) But IMHO, it's a shame one has to go through setting up a local deb repo for such a common task |
| 08:53.50 | Innocentus | Kredo: http://ppp.samba.org/pppd.html |
| 08:53.56 | Innocentus | Kredo: there is a lock option |
| 08:54.09 | Kredo | tnx |
| 08:54.30 | Innocentus | Kredo: when you explicitely set that to 0 / false, it should be accessible - but I don't know if there are side-effects (you should try it) |
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| 08:54.51 | Innocentus | yati: well, the package manager wants to be able to uninstall / reinstall the thing |
| 08:54.55 | Innocentus | yati: so it must be registerred |
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| 08:57.09 | Innocentus | yati: because without the original package this won't be possible, the package contains information about the program / config files / start scripts and so on |
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| 08:57.54 | yati | Innocentus, Fedora's yum provides a very neat localinstall command that does this, maybe uses a preconfigured location internally. But that is UX |
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| 09:00.38 | yati | Anyway, I am better off with manually dpkg-ing things. Hope I don't end up in a dep hell. |
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| 09:01.32 | Innocentus | yati: yes, dpkg is for installing debs and apt is for managing them |
| 09:01.47 | Innocentus | yati: managing = keeping track of them - so they need to be registerred |
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| 09:02.10 | Innocentus | yati: they could add an --add-as-repository or something option to apt / aptitude |
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| 09:04.35 | yati | Innocentus, that's cool, but similarly, yum is the manager and rpm is the low level installer for RH/Fedora, yet yum gets the task done. Somehow. |
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| 09:05.04 | Innocentus | yati: they should add an option, yes |
| 09:05.13 | yati | right |
| 09:06.18 | yati | Because with the beautiful dep management and other high level features provided by apt*, the ordinary user should never be required to use dpkg |
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| 09:06.44 | yati | Which they sadly have to while installing standalone debs currently |
| 09:07.13 | Innocentus | yati: I also had the joy doing that |
| 09:07.32 | peterrooney | yati: that is by good design. standalone debs are not part of the distribution. |
| 09:08.51 | yati | peterrooney, Then subverting this design policy by creating a repo tracked by apt* is what? |
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| 09:09.20 | yati | I mean, a local repo as pointed out in the thread linked to by Innocentus |
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| 09:16.13 | peterrooney | yati: adding a repository to apt's sources is a normal use case for apt, an expectable part of a system administrator's work. creating a custom repository, not so much. I would estimate it as intermediate level system administration, and not as subversion. |
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| 09:18.55 | yati | Exactly, to install local debs using high level tools, I have to create a custom repo! I mean for understandable reasons, debian official repos contain pretty old versions of many software, and it is fairly common to download the latest deb file if a vendor offers one, and install it locally. apt* won't let you do that, and dpkg might push you into the dep hell |
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| 09:34.55 | t3ngu | g'da |
| 09:34.57 | t3ngu | y |
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| 09:35.51 | TheGrey | o/ I have a blank disk and a RAID 1 setup with: md0 (swap), md1 (/) and md2 (home). I want to know how to A) Format my disk to accept data (i.e. setup probably the whole disk as ext4) B) rsync the files for the purposes of a backup. Much love and thanks..Grey |
| 09:36.46 | t3ngu | TheGrey: mkfs.ext4 /dev/md/md1 or whatever the device is |
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| 09:44.11 | sephii | I have a script in /etc/init.d/ (lxc to be precise) that stopped starting at boot and I don't know why. I checked in /etc/rcX.d/, there are symlinks to the init script, and if I start it manually with "/etc/init.d/lxc start" it works. any idea? |
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| 09:44.57 | Innocentus | sephii: blacklisted? |
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| 09:45.37 | Bastichou | sephii, your script maybe depend of other script which a not started yet at this moment ? |
| 09:45.56 | sephii | Innocentus: nope, also it was working before I did a d-u (i'm using testing) |
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| 09:46.43 | Bastichou | For instance, is the script is launched before network while he need it.. The starting will crash |
| 09:47.05 | Innocentus | yes |
| 09:47.17 | sephii | Bastichou: there are only $syslog and $remote_fs in the Required-Start header. but insserv should order them correctly right? |
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| 09:47.55 | Innocentus | runit? |
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| 09:48.56 | Bastichou | Did the script be already started at boot corretly ? |
| 09:49.14 | sephii | Bastichou: yes before the d-u |
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| 09:50.44 | Bastichou | Hum, then scrip order boot should be ok. Some errors are logged about this script ? |
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| 09:51.52 | sephii | nothing in syslog as far as i can see |
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| 09:53.45 | Bastichou | arf, i don't know but i'm curious to known the answer, can you give me a feedback if you find the issue plz :) |
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| 09:57.55 | megha | are debain testing repos comparatively unstable to the stable one ? |
| 09:58.15 | cantido | megha: what do you mean by "unstable" |
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| 09:58.24 | valdyn | megha: you need to understand what "unstable" in debian means first |
| 09:58.39 | sts | hello folks. I'd like to keep multiple versions of the same debian package in a repo. what tools are capable of that? |
| 09:58.46 | valdyn | megha: is buggy = that depends on the package, not that much on debian |
| 09:59.40 | megha | so debain testing would be nice for a desktop use ? |
| 09:59.47 | valdyn | megha: yes |
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| 10:00.21 | megha | valdyn: cool |
| 10:00.37 | valdyn | megha: testing can be impacted badly by some package transitions, but thats not the case right now |
| 10:01.17 | megha | ok |
| 10:01.21 | valdyn | megha: right now testing is frozen, so almost like stable |
| 10:01.37 | cantido | either way unstable != crashes.. it means "stuff might change and break" |
| 10:02.31 | valdyn | megha: i recommend you use wheezy and make sure that sources.list entries refer to wheezy, not to testing |
| 10:02.45 | valdyn | megha: currently wheezy = testing, but thats only currently |
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| 10:03.22 | megha | ok will do that |
| 10:03.29 | valdyn | ( thats if you want to use testing anyway, certainly stable is even more recommendable ) |
| 10:03.58 | theta | valdyn: any word on how long till wheezy's released |
| 10:04.35 | theta | I didn't know it was frozen |
| 10:04.39 | valdyn | theta: look at the rc bugs and extrapolate the graph |
| 10:04.57 | valdyn | !wheezy |
| 10:04.58 | dpkg | The release following squeeze will be called "wheezy" (the rubber toy penguin with a red bow tie) and will be Debian 7.0. Wheezy was frozen on June 30, 2012. Ask me about <testing>, <freeze>. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianWheezy #debian-next on irc.debian.org. |
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| 10:05.59 | theta | frozen for that long,...hmm |
| 10:06.10 | FRO5T | ? |
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| 10:08.03 | buscon | I'm using a apple keyboard and i'd like to remap the apple keys |
| 10:08.06 | buscon | how can i do that? |
| 10:11.01 | FRO5T | xmodmap , xbindkeys |
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| 10:11.40 | rkhshm | sorry for making a wrong post... but is there an IRC channel for makefiles ? |
| 10:11.49 | rkhshm | i remember #make but dont know what happend to it now |
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| 10:14.35 | buscon | FRO5T, thx |
| 10:15.08 | FRO5T | ;] |
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| 10:15.33 | kikokos | hi |
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| 10:16.31 | kikokos | I'd like to run anki 2.0 (flash card app) on debian squeeze, however it require qt4.7 how do I get it? thanx in advance |
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| 10:17.10 | kikokos | I've got pyqt 4.7 but not qt |
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| 10:20.23 | themill | kikokos: not easily. The simplest approach would probably be to upgrade to wheezy at this stage. While it's still a pre-release at the moment, it's in good shape |
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| 10:21.42 | kikokos | themill, mhm that's what I thought too |
| 10:22.00 | kikokos | that's not good |
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| 10:23.00 | themill | you could use schroot to make a wheezy chroot if you needed to, but the simplest is just to go to wheezy most likely |
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| 10:24.15 | lilleman | I'm trying to get kannel to work on debian. However, the bearerbox starts with the "service kannel start", but not the smsbox. In my /etc/init.d/kannel I find the var $START_SMSBOX, but no declaration. Where can this be declared outside this file? |
| 10:25.30 | lilleman | In fact I cant find any declaration of the variables holding the binary names |
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| 10:25.53 | kikokos | themill, well I can also resign from online sync in anki, maybe it's a good idea |
| 10:26.40 | themill | lilleman: /etc/default/$service would be the standard place. That file is probably sourced at the top of the script |
| 10:27.16 | lilleman | themill: superior! Thank you1 |
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| 10:28.06 | kikokos | thx |
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| 10:37.07 | Armand | What is the standard volume control for KDE 4.4.5? I don't appear to have any installed. O_o |
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| 10:38.15 | jelly | Armand: kmix |
| 10:38.33 | Armand | Ahh... not installed. -_- |
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| 10:40.13 | Armand | There we go.. Thanks, jelly. :) |
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| 10:40.48 | MoonTiger | hi guys - where do i go to try to solve a debian wheezy bug that just happened? |
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| 10:42.40 | MoonTiger | hmmmmm ok well... an update to network-manager yesterday completely broke my networking and i have no idea where to look to try to fix things - any help would be appreciated :) |
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| 10:42.54 | TheGrey | t3ngu: cheers |
| 10:42.55 | TheGrey | o/ Where are packages stored in this distro? I want to backup my /etc/, /home/ and anything else important...Is there anything else I'm missing? |
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| 10:48.54 | theta | MoonTiger: /etc/network/interfaces was probably the file that was changed. |
| 10:49.15 | MoonTiger | theta i checked that but nothing looks suspect |
| 10:49.43 | MoonTiger | im seeing a lot of iwl4965 MAC is in deep sleep messages in syslog |
| 10:49.59 | MoonTiger | some about ucode failing verification |
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| 10:50.09 | MoonTiger | unable to set up bootstrap |
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| 10:50.25 | MoonTiger | never happened before - always solid |
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| 10:53.31 | MoonTiger | if i reboot into windows it works fine |
| 10:53.58 | theta | MoonTiger: there's a command that will turn on your wireless card I can't think of it at the moment |
| 10:54.23 | MoonTiger | hmmmmmmm is this something that could have been "left hanging" from the update? |
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| 10:55.01 | buscon | hi, i'm configuring an ssl certificate |
| 10:55.07 | invariant | MoonTiger, if that would be the case and no error was displayed, that would be a bug. |
| 10:55.10 | buscon | following this tutorial |
| 10:55.21 | buscon | wiki.debian.org/Self-Signed_Certificate |
| 10:55.32 | Bastichou | buscon, What sort of certif ? Web certif ? |
| 10:55.34 | invariant | MoonTiger, as root, do ifconfig and paste the output |
| 10:55.41 | buscon | Bastichou, yes |
| 10:55.50 | buscon | when I try to restart apache I get |
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| 10:55.55 | buscon | SSLCertificateFile: file '/etc/apache2/ssl/localcerts/apache.pem' does not exist or is empty |
| 10:55.56 | MoonTiger | invariant, i can't paste anything from the affected machine as it isn't online |
| 10:56.10 | buscon | even if the file is there |
| 10:56.13 | invariant | MoonTiger, then learn to type really fast :) |
| 10:56.15 | buscon | and not empty |
| 10:56.29 | invariant | MoonTiger, or just type the interfaces that are displayed. |
| 10:56.32 | buscon | what can I try? |
| 10:56.41 | invariant | MoonTiger, e.g. eth0 wlan0, etc. |
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| 10:56.56 | MoonTiger | invariant, ok will do - give me 5 to reboot it |
| 10:57.02 | invariant | MoonTiger, I didn't say that |
| 10:57.12 | invariant | MoonTiger, oh, you have only one machine. |
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| 10:57.18 | Bastichou | buscon, the certif is readeable by apache2 ? |
| 10:57.41 | buscon | Bastichou, m, should it be www-data then? |
| 10:57.43 | buscon | I try that |
| 10:57.52 | invariant | MoonTiger, it's convenient to have another machine around (you can get suitable machines (for example a phone) for 100 euros). |
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| 10:58.30 | Bastichou | buscon, just check if the path is correctly set on apache config file. |
| 10:58.32 | MoonTiger | invariant, i have 2 laptops |
| 10:58.39 | MoonTiger | the problem one is rebooting now |
| 10:58.48 | buscon | Bastichou, yes, I copied |
| 10:58.49 | invariant | MoonTiger, confusing. |
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| 10:59.05 | invariant | MoonTiger, was Windows on the one with the problem? |
| 10:59.07 | Bastichou | buscon, ok |
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| 10:59.39 | invariant | buscon, report a bug if the file is really there and does not have a zero file size. |
| 11:00.00 | MoonTiger | invariant, no wheezy was - windows did work but just now it failed too |
| 11:00.07 | buscon | invariant, maybe it's about permission, i'll have a look, thx |
| 11:00.09 | MoonTiger | is this a hardware failure? |
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| 11:00.18 | invariant | buscon, that should have given a different error message. |
| 11:00.19 | MoonTiger | ifconfig only sees lo and eth0 |
| 11:00.26 | invariant | MoonTiger, and ifconfig -a? |
| 11:00.27 | buscon | uh, ok |
| 11:00.37 | Bastichou | buscon, you set 600 rights i think apache can't read this certif. |
| 11:00.44 | MoonTiger | same |
| 11:01.04 | Bastichou | invariant, +1 |
| 11:01.23 | invariant | buscon, is the driver loaded? |
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| 11:01.35 | invariant | MoonTiger, is there driver loaded? |
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| 11:01.57 | invariant | MoonTiger, is the driver loaded? (how hard can it be?) |
| 11:02.17 | buscon | invariant, I just notice it was the path... in the tutorial is using different ones: one creating the certificate and one in the apache conf file.... |
| 11:02.28 | MoonTiger | invariant, lspci doesn't show it |
| 11:02.39 | buscon | I'll send an email to the tutorial guy - thanks everyone |
| 11:02.52 | invariant | MoonTiger, do you know which driver it uses? |
| 11:03.23 | MoonTiger | its an iwl4965 card |
| 11:03.30 | theta | MoonTiger: iwconfig wlan0 txpower on (or) auto |
| 11:04.03 | MoonTiger | theta - no such device |
| 11:04.05 | invariant | theta, on my machine ifconfig -a displays wlan0 too. |
| 11:04.12 | invariant | theta, as such, that won't work. |
| 11:04.15 | MoonTiger | i think the hardware just died |
| 11:04.22 | TheGrey | o/ where can I find my packages? |
| 11:04.28 | invariant | MoonTiger, I don't know which driver is associated with that hardware. |
| 11:04.33 | invariant | MoonTiger, you are supposed to know that. |
| 11:04.40 | MoonTiger | iwlwifi i believe |
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| 11:04.49 | invariant | MoonTiger, check dmesg for everything that driver outputs. |
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| 11:05.16 | invariant | MoonTiger, these are often(always(?)) lines prefixed by the name of the driver. |
| 11:05.28 | invariant | MoonTiger, dmesg is a command, in case you didn't know that. |
| 11:05.59 | invariant | MoonTiger, it should say somewhere that it attaches or that it is trying to bring up some related interface. |
| 11:06.10 | invariant | MoonTiger, or it should say that it doesn't work for some reason. |
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| 11:06.33 | MoonTiger | invariant, there are a hell of a lot of problem messages in syslog for the interface |
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| 11:07.08 | invariant | MoonTiger, input the problem messages into Google, and you should see quite easily whether it is really a hardware problem. |
| 11:07.23 | invariant | MoonTiger,since you cannot copy paste, I cannot see enough information to instantly tell you. |
| 11:07.28 | invariant | MoonTiger, good luck. |
| 11:07.48 | MoonTiger | thnx guys :) |
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| 11:10.27 | theta | invariant: occasionally I would hit my WiFi button on my laptop turning it off. Hitting the button again wouldnt turn it on. Iwconfig with txpower or power (can't remember) would turn it on. |
| 11:10.57 | MoonTiger | theta - the switch on this thinkpad is pretty hard to knock accidentally |
| 11:11.16 | invariant | theta, ifconfig -a should afaik still display it then. |
| 11:11.38 | invariant | theta, but perhaps it depends on the hardware. |
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| 11:12.01 | invariant | theta, completely removing the device (or unloading its kernel module) will likely delete the interface too |
| 11:12.03 | theta | That I will concede. :-) |
| 11:12.32 | invariant | theta, I suspect what happens it that the driver only sends a command to the hardware to power down. |
| 11:12.48 | invariant | theta, the driver still creates an interface. |
| 11:13.07 | MoonTiger | i kinda think the hardware just died - weird tho that seems |
| 11:13.09 | invariant | theta,that way when someone wants to use the interface, it can be brought up easily. |
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| 11:18.29 | theta | Yeah, I had problems with my wireless booting up as though turned off. I had to use the command line to initially turn it on. Then, if I turned my laptop off while in an on state, it booted normally with the wireless on. It was tempermental. Not sure why the button did not work. |
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| 11:41.47 | megha | in near future will debain be suing systemd ? |
| 11:41.49 | megha | using* |
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| 11:45.21 | jelly | megha: not near. |
| 11:45.42 | jelly | the next release will not use systemd by default |
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| 11:49.11 | petn-randall | megha: it's still installable and useable AFAIK |
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| 11:51.22 | megha | ok |
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| 11:53.36 | ketsa | Hi all, the touchpad suddenly stopped working on my netbook, but there's a twist, it works if I log with another username... Where could this be saved ? |
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| 12:29.58 | petn-randall | ketsa: synaptic touchpad config |
| 12:31.13 | petn-randall | connect a USB mouse and check that, every deaktop environment has its own config program |
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| 12:33.33 | ketsa | it works with an USB mouse. where can I the synaptic config ? |
| 12:33.40 | ketsa | *find |
| 12:35.44 | doorp | Hey guys, I bugged you last night about the issue of building Debian's installer on a USB. When I build the installer using "unetbootin" (win32), it works fine. But when I try to re-write the bootloader via syslinux under linux... the fault occurs. So I assume it's a matter of incompatibility of somesort of the syslinux version |
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| 12:37.48 | ectospasm | doorp: you're probably doing it wrong. What instructions were you following to set it up? |
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| 12:39.27 | doorp | ectospasm: I took the same partition and the same file structure of the working USB stick, I ran: sudo syslinux /dev/sdX# , sudo cat /usr/lib/syslinux/mbr.bin > /dev/sdX |
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| 12:39.59 | doorp | ectospasm: And now the fault appears. So I guess that's pretty much eliminates anything else |
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| 12:40.54 | outlaw84 | It seams someone is sending spam from my linux server :/ how can I find out which user is responsible for the connection? I clearly see the smtp talk in wireshark and netstat, but how can I find out which user it is? |
| 12:41.21 | ectospasm | doorp: you may need an offset for syslinux |
| 12:42.02 | ectospasm | doorp: did you format /dev/sdX# first? |
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| 12:42.26 | ectospasm | outlaw84: you might be able to check your mail log for that. |
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| 12:44.42 | outlaw84 | ectospasm: there is nothing there, it seams to be a program connecting to some Microsoft/Hotmail server :( |
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| 12:45.09 | doorp | ectospasm: Deleted the existing partition, created a new partition, set bootable, written to device, formatted as FAT32, syslinux partition, written MBR, copied the ISO file structure |
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| 12:45.42 | doorp | ectospasm: Booting from the USB works, installation starts, but then it prompts an error: Incorrect CD-ROM |
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| 12:46.56 | doorp | ectospasm: Now, I've created the USB stick using a Windows utility, which works fine. Re-wrote the bootloader and MBR using syslinux under linux... and now the fault appears: Incorrect CDROM |
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| 12:47.53 | frostschutz | doorp: hey. I owe you an apology :) |
| 12:48.01 | doorp | frostschutz: Apology? Why??? |
| 12:48.31 | frostschutz | doorp: didn't I make you do that initramfs-cdrom thing yesterday? |
| 12:48.41 | doorp | frostschutz: Yes |
| 12:48.44 | doorp | frostschutz: And it worked fine |
| 12:49.06 | doorp | frostschutz: So what are you apologizing for? |
| 12:49.12 | frostschutz | doorp: it did? :-O OK, well, at least for the netinstaller I noticed it seems to work fine until it tries to install a kernel where it fails |
| 12:49.34 | doorp | frostschutz: Oh, I didn't finish the install |
| 12:49.47 | doorp | frostschutz: I just checked the fault I kept getting, whether it finds the cdrom or not |
| 12:50.06 | frostschutz | doorp: yeah, same here. but it then tries to remount the CD to /media/cdrom, when it's only in /cdrom ... so booboo |
| 12:50.29 | doorp | frostschutz: I see. I'll check it out soon enough |
| 12:50.42 | doorp | frostschutz: What do you say about my syslinux conclusion? |
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| 12:52.15 | frostschutz | doorp: but I found something better, debian offers linux/initrd for netinstall, and these work http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/dists/squeeze/main/installer-i386/current/images/netboot/debian-installer/i386/ |
| 12:52.32 | frostschutz | doorp: smaller, too. probably downloads more stuff during install then |
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| 12:54.42 | voxadam | What is the best way to write a shell script from pastebin.com to a file on the command line? wget? |
| 12:54.46 | doorp | frostschutz: What do you mean by "these work"? Under what scenario? |
| 12:55.23 | frostschutz | voxadam: if pastebin.com has a URL for raw data, wget thaturl -O thatfile |
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| 12:55.34 | voxadam | frostschutz, thanks. |
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| 12:55.53 | frostschutz | for a shell script, probably chmod +x thatfile afterwards, but have a care what you're downloading and executing |
| 12:56.23 | frostschutz | doorp: you can boot them with grub and do a working netinstall |
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| 13:00.57 | invariant | How do I make xterm show a very large set of the utf8 characters correctly instead of it showing boxes? |
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| 13:01.02 | Benkinooby2 | hi i am experience a lot of "BUG: soft lock cpu #1" and i see may forum threads about it. can these lockups be realted to faulty time taking of the hardware too? |
| 13:01.11 | invariant | My test is cat filewithutf8chars |
| 13:01.17 | Benkinooby2 | my computer had issues with the hardware clock some time ago |
| 13:01.52 | Benkinooby2 | and i fixed it with ntp sync but i wonder if this is still an inssue that may relate to the lock ups |
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| 13:04.49 | babilen | invariant: I would recommend to use rxvt-unicode-256color (if you have it, that is if you run wheezy or sid) or rxvt-unicode. You still need suitable fonts that have a glyph for that codepoint. xfonts-unicode is an example of such a font ... |
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| 13:05.17 | invariant | babilen, rvxt-unicode has all kinds of bugs. |
| 13:05.33 | invariant | babilen, I have used it and I placed it in /dev/null |
| 13:06.22 | mmnicolas | really, cause apt-listbugs doesnt show any bugs for rxvt-unicode |
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| 13:06.35 | babilen | invariant: fair enough -- you still need suitable fonts though |
| 13:06.37 | mmnicolas | and btw, that is not how you remove a package. |
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| 13:10.05 | yeehi | I have a large library of mp3 files I want to compress. Which is the most efficient way to zip them, to save space? Quality? Speed? |
| 13:10.26 | FRO5T | flaac |
| 13:10.33 | mmnicolas | yeehi: mp3 is already a compressed format |
| 13:10.37 | t3ngu | convert from mp3 to flac?! |
| 13:10.39 | mmnicolas | FRO5T: seriously !? |
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| 13:10.48 | yeehi | oh, so I won't be able to squash them up to save space? |
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| 13:11.06 | FRO5T | re-encode the music with codec called FLAC and you will have same audio quality for less hdd space |
| 13:11.08 | mmnicolas | yeehi: leave it as is, or just archive them with tar, or zip with no compression |
| 13:11.23 | yeehi | thank you everybody! |
| 13:11.26 | mmnicolas | FRO5T: you're kidding me right |
| 13:11.46 | FRO5T | im not kidding about re-encoding and saving hdd space |
| 13:11.59 | mmnicolas | that or you're a genius nobody ever heard of |
| 13:12.02 | FRO5T | do you got 25 GB of mp3 songs and tried that to talk about kidding ? |
| 13:12.15 | yeehi | thanks, FROST - FLAC is way to go |
| 13:12.21 | ectospasm | ... |
| 13:12.30 | ectospasm | Free Lossless Audio Codec |
| 13:12.39 | mmnicolas | has this become a trolling channel ?! |
| 13:12.44 | ectospasm | Motion Picture Entertainment Group Layer 3 |
| 13:12.48 | t3ngu | lol |
| 13:13.10 | t3ngu | i would say delete the mp3's |
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| 13:13.14 | t3ngu | you will save a ton of space |
| 13:13.21 | mmnicolas | FRO5T: so you're telling that re-encoding audio from a lossy codec to a lossless one will keep quality AND save space |
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| 13:13.36 | ectospasm | ...FLAC is lossless, MP3 is not (so-called lossy)... going MP3->FLAC won't give you better compression |
| 13:13.39 | t3ngu | (to carry on some trolling myself) |
| 13:13.50 | FRO5T | I did that to my remote server and saved 9GB out of 25GB |
| 13:14.01 | FRO5T | keeping the quality and saving hdd space |
| 13:14.11 | t3ngu | FRO5T: sorry to say this, but that was a great as the young kids say it these days... FAIL! |
| 13:14.29 | mmnicolas | FRO5T: you must have dreamt about that |
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| 13:14.44 | frostschutz | FLAC is huge and you lose quality (when suddenly you need it to be in mp3 again for your pocket gizmo) |
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| 13:15.05 | FRO5T | then why not FAAC - lc acc ? |
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| 13:15.20 | t3ngu | he already FROST has it in mp3 |
| 13:15.30 | t3ngu | already had lost info |
| 13:15.43 | FRO5T | mp3 isn't faac lc-acc |
| 13:15.47 | FRO5T | or flac |
| 13:15.48 | FRO5T | .. |
| 13:15.50 | t3ngu | yes |
| 13:15.53 | t3ngu | he HAS mp3s. |
| 13:15.55 | t3ngu | not flac |
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| 13:16.30 | FRO5T | if his purpose is to save space like I did, then re-encode with flac or faac lc-acc and be happy |
| 13:16.54 | mmnicolas | ?! if anything, it will give larger files |
| 13:16.59 | t3ngu | +1 |
| 13:17.18 | frostschutz | unless it's the silence album |
| 13:17.20 | FRO5T | lol you ever touched or played with movies or songs to talk like that ? |
| 13:17.31 | t3ngu | i only touch myself |
| 13:17.46 | FRO5T | better read more about the codecs purposes guys |
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| 13:18.22 | doorp | FRO5T: Theoretically you might be right. But practically the numbers you suggest are not real |
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| 13:18.53 | FRO5T | I didn't noticed difference while hearing the songs... |
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| 13:19.11 | t3ngu | FRO5T: how would you convert an mp3 to flac? w/ what tool? |
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| 13:19.30 | Zharf | why would you ever... |
| 13:19.32 | doorp | FRO5T: I believe you. But it doesn't mean there aren't differences. It depends on the source, env, etc |
| 13:19.34 | t3ngu | i will convert one now and present what I see. |
| 13:19.37 | mmnicolas | t3ngu: I'm going back to wave then to flac |
| 13:19.43 | t3ngu | ok. |
| 13:19.49 | t3ngu | but i want Frost :) |
| 13:20.01 | t3ngu | he assures me that we will get smaller size |
| 13:20.04 | FRO5T | there are many tools which can allow you to do that, faac lc-acc mp4 layer |
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| 13:20.11 | t3ngu | one will do. |
| 13:20.13 | frostschutz | m( |
| 13:20.15 | t3ngu | so i can do it. |
| 13:20.19 | CableNinja | mornin all, I had someone help me get hibernate working the other day, running into a problem with it now though. When I come back out of hibernation the battery no longer charges. It will hold the existing charge and drain, but if I plug it in, the system thinks its full, rebooting fixes the problem. any ideas? |
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| 13:23.23 | FRO5T | just found information about another great program for compression on mp3 songs - http://techtutorialsfordummies.blogspot.com/2010/02/converting-mp3-to-aac-using-mediacoder.html |
| 13:24.17 | mmnicolas | ok let's see, I go a 1.9 mb mp3 file, converted to wav with mpg321, give 21mb, encoded to flac which gives 21mb |
| 13:24.23 | mmnicolas | sorry flac, 11mb |
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| 13:24.53 | engla | going from mp3 to flac is nonsense though(?) |
| 13:24.54 | FRO5T | play around with the settings and customize them |
| 13:24.55 | t3ngu | must be drunk as i thought this was a debian room |
| 13:24.59 | mmnicolas | I just wasted 3 minutes to prove how dumb this is |
| 13:25.15 | t3ngu | hahahaha |
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| 13:25.19 | t3ngu | i even clicked on the forum link |
| 13:25.20 | FRO5T | check the link with tutorial |
| 13:25.21 | t3ngu | :P |
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| 13:27.01 | mmnicolas | ...ok now it's aac |
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| 13:27.18 | t3ngu | you still trying? |
| 13:27.35 | mmnicolas | you mean, to reason with him ? |
| 13:27.39 | t3ngu | indeed |
| 13:28.47 | FRO5T | you think that link and my server with compressed songs aren't enough to prove "how wrong" is that storing mp3 songs on your computers ? Better read all information in the link CAREFULLY |
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| 13:29.37 | t3ngu | FRO5T: thanks we will notices |
| 13:29.39 | t3ngu | notice* |
| 13:29.59 | mmnicolas | FRO5T: ...there is something *wrong* in your head. |
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| 13:31.48 | FRO5T | mmnicolas: u mad ? |
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| 13:35.10 | mmnicolas | no, I'll be out spreading the word about AAC, is it the revolutionne!! according to Vinay Shenoy, and it's like FLAC, according to you. Both reliable sources |
| 13:35.17 | mmnicolas | *it is |
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| 13:36.20 | FRO5T | apple,nokia and many other factories already relying on the AAC ,so stop being rude *** and do some research next time |
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| 13:37.18 | invariant | How do I restart the dbus daemon? |
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| 13:37.51 | invariant | Or, even better: is it possible to use gnome-terminal or terminator without dbus running? |
| 13:37.53 | mmnicolas | invariant: service dbus restart |
| 13:38.12 | invariant | dbus is a very weak system service in my experience. |
| 13:38.18 | mmnicolas | FRO5T: right.. apple has no reason to push AAC.. |
| 13:38.38 | mmnicolas | FRO5T: what are you even doing here ?! |
| 13:38.46 | FRO5T | quote " AAC is slowly catching on as a music format. The Apple iTunes Store sells their music only in AAC, The iPods have been supporting AAC since 2003, the new portable media players from Sony, Samsung and all the other well known brands support it as well... and most importantly, all Nokia NSeries and ExpressMusic phones, as well as the Sony Cybershot and Walkman phones support it as well...all their upcoming phones will also suppo |
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| 13:39.01 | FRO5T | who wouldn't say no to be being able to store more music on their cell's memory card? |
| 13:39.16 | mmnicolas | FRO5T: you realize your quoting that same link right |
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| 13:39.34 | FRO5T | I do and I can quote you many other websites |
| 13:39.49 | mmnicolas | dude, defrost. |
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| 13:40.28 | FRO5T | it's all up to you to belive it or not, in reality all companies and my server relying on that codec AAC. |
| 13:41.05 | mmnicolas | FRO5T: http://www.xciv.org/~meta/audio-shootout/ that's from someone who did actual experiments |
| 13:41.16 | FRO5T | do some re-encoding of movie with mp3 and faac lc-acc |
| 13:41.52 | FRO5T | I did it and it gave me: movie with mp3 - 1.50GB, same movie with ACC 1.10GB |
| 13:42.09 | mmnicolas | with lesser quality |
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| 13:42.46 | mmnicolas | my point is you can't seem to differentiate FLAC from AAC |
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| 13:44.12 | FRO5T | I can't notice any difference in the quality from listening mp3 or aac songs |
| 13:44.19 | mmnicolas | anyway how is this debian related ? so get out. |
| 13:44.41 | FRO5T | visit my test server to see how: itestpage.zapto.org |
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| 13:44.55 | FRO5T | it's for testing purposes... |
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| 13:45.56 | invariant | What can I do about this? ** (gnome-terminal:27342): WARNING **: Failed to connect to the session manager: Could not open network socket |
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| 13:46.31 | mmnicolas | invariant: start gnome-session ? isn't it handled by gdm ? how are you starting this |
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| 13:46.44 | invariant | Why can't it say something comprehensible like: "Failed to connect to network socket foo which is supposed to be provided by application bar"? |
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| 13:47.02 | invariant | mmnicolas, I use kdm and kde. |
| 13:47.26 | mmnicolas | ok well then you can't do much about this but it shouldnt matter |
| 13:47.35 | mmnicolas | does it fail to start ? |
| 13:47.46 | invariant | mmnicolas, yes, it fails to start. |
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| 13:48.09 | mmnicolas | and why are you using gnome-terminal with kde. |
| 13:48.30 | invariant | mmnicolas, please say something relevant to the problem. |
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| 13:49.09 | mmnicolas | right.. the "problem". |
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| 13:50.24 | gettingdebian | Hey, I have a question about partitioning. I am going to dual boot debian with Win7. 1) Do I need unallocated space between the windows partition and the debian one? 2) Do I need a SWAP partition or whatever? or any extra partition rather than the two for the os's? |
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| 13:52.27 | FRO5T | install the OS alongside with the existing one, leave the installator to do the rest |
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| 13:53.48 | gettingdebian | currently no OS FRO5T. I am using gparted. It's clean now rather than a single partition that came with the laptop that I moved to the end of the disk |
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| 13:54.45 | FRO5T | I did the following thing: installed seven then installed alongisde debian squeeze 6.0 and that was it |
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| 13:56.13 | wjtaylor | How can I add a network printer? |
| 13:56.28 | gettingdebian | Alright i'l install win7 first. So can I do the following: install win7 about 100gb, then the linux partition, and then use whatever is left as a ntfs partition for files? |
| 13:56.38 | FRO5T | gettingdebian: http://dodebian.blogspot.com/2011/11/install-debian-alongside-windows-guide_6728.html |
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| 13:58.44 | nabblet | is there a way to find out the healt of a CMOS battery? |
| 13:58.54 | nabblet | *health |
| 13:58.54 | FRO5T | in the bios |
| 13:59.09 | FRO5T | or with tool called multimeter |
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| 13:59.41 | nabblet | FRO5T, problem is that i don't have access to the computer |
| 13:59.53 | nabblet | FRO5T, and it does not complain about low cmos voltage at boot up |
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| 14:00.26 | nabblet | but ntp is busy reconfiguring the hw-clock a lot... by margins of centi-seconds or more |
| 14:00.27 | FRO5T | I understood 'health' as voltage.. |
| 14:00.38 | nabblet | FRO5T, yes - sorry for being not precise |
| 14:00.50 | FRO5T | ;] |
| 14:01.09 | sirToast | hi, what's the difference between the topmost image at http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.6/mipsel/bt-dvd/ and those tagged with 'update'? |
| 14:01.20 | nabblet | FRO5T, i suspect some faulty timekeeping/setting to be the cause for all my soft locks |
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| 14:02.06 | nabblet | FRO5T, on the other hand, my system now works OK in secure mode... |
| 14:02.09 | nabblet | knocks on wood |
| 14:02.15 | FRO5T | if you don't set up the correct time and date some programs just start bugging ;D |
| 14:04.13 | FRO5T | I got one phone with Wi Fi and once I removed the phones battery then start up the phone and went in internet but couldn't connect to my home wifi network just becuz the phone want properly set date and time :D |
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| 14:04.35 | FRO5T | wasnt |
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| 14:06.04 | nabblet | FRO5T, hm! interesting |
| 14:06.19 | nabblet | FRO5T, because in my case the wifi is the first thing bugging too |
| 14:06.28 | FRO5T | ;D |
| 14:06.45 | nabblet | FRO5T, although i don't think you had debain on your phone... |
| 14:07.00 | FRO5T | naah crappy nokia os |
| 14:07.08 | FRO5T | symbian |
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| 14:07.45 | nabblet | hm |
| 14:08.38 | nabblet | I never replaced a CMOS battery in laptop... I can't even remember seeing one when I opened up a laptop Oo |
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| 14:09.06 | ectospasm | Symbian was cool for its day |
| 14:09.09 | FRO5T | It has to be near gpu or cpu sockets/slots |
| 14:09.42 | m1tO | can i change my /home partition with system started? |
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| 14:10.45 | _n3lthon | hi, i have two interface one with static ip and another by dhcp, and i want that default gateway being the dhcp one, but now any of them as default gateway |
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| 14:11.46 | FRO5T | edit the /etc/network/interfaces |
| 14:12.00 | FRO5T | edit the etc,network,interfaces |
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| 14:12.36 | fish_ | hrm any ideas why mkinitramfs is adding my tools (I've added a hook and use copy_exec) but then deleting them again? |
| 14:12.40 | fish_ | it's really weird |
| 14:13.49 | fish_ | I'm using hooks like this: copy_exec bin/lshw /sbin |
| 14:14.06 | fish_ | https://gist.github.com/46e5d2daa64cb8c13a80 <- and I get this output |
| 14:14.11 | FRO5T | _n3lthon: http://rbgeek.wordpress.com/2012/04/03/change-ubuntu-server-from-dhcp-to-a-static-ip-address/ |
| 14:14.44 | fish_ | were it says 'Adding binary bin/lshw' but at the end 'rm -f ./sbin/lshw' |
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| 14:14.56 | fish_ | this is really weird |
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| 14:19.56 | hays | do i still need this line in my sources.list: deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ wheezy-updates main |
| 14:20.13 | hays | or is wheezy main sufficient |
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| 14:21.52 | Towzzer | what's the big difference between sudo su and sudo bash |
| 14:22.13 | t3ngu | su = switch user |
| 14:22.19 | t3ngu | sudo = super user do |
| 14:22.23 | Towzzer | yes yes I know |
| 14:22.28 | Towzzer | but why do one over the other |
| 14:22.34 | t3ngu | sudo bash = launch bash shell as root |
| 14:22.50 | gabedwrds | sudo -s is more efficient |
| 14:22.51 | t3ngu | sudo you dont switch |
| 14:22.55 | hays | one difference is that you will for sure be in a bash shell afterwards |
| 14:23.12 | t3ngu | sudo -s you keep legasy non root environemt variables |
| 14:23.21 | hays | an important distinction if you were in a tcsh shell or something before |
| 14:23.24 | Towzzer | ok |
| 14:23.32 | Towzzer | but I thought no one uses those shells |
| 14:23.33 | Towzzer | only bash |
| 14:23.39 | Towzzer | because bash is the greatest thing since sliced bread |
| 14:23.43 | t3ngu | if noone used why they exist? :) |
| 14:23.52 | t3ngu | zsh is that Towzzer |
| 14:23.53 | t3ngu | :) |
| 14:24.09 | hays | does anyone have an idea on my wheezy-updates question? |
| 14:24.14 | gabedwrds | if you want a clean root login, sudo -i |
| 14:24.21 | t3ngu | clean root login, su - |
| 14:24.23 | t3ngu | :) |
| 14:24.28 | t3ngu | setup wheel group. |
| 14:24.30 | Towzzer | t3ngu, use that logic with the people who make mandrake |
| 14:24.32 | Towzzer | or mandiva |
| 14:24.54 | t3ngu | default debian installtion my friend has no sudo installed. |
| 14:24.57 | hays | hehe is mandrake still around I remember them vaguely |
| 14:25.16 | t3ngu | so you need to run su - |
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| 14:35.11 | yeehi | I can't get gparted to partition using exfat - there is no exfat option. I have installed exfat fuse and exfat utils |
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| 14:43.36 | boudiccas | this is my isp number - 92.20.113.153, but what is its proper name please? |
| 14:43.51 | richardk | 153.113.20.92.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer host-92-20-113-153.as13285.net. |
| 14:44.12 | frostschutz | unless you were looking for "ip address" instead of "isp number" |
| 14:44.27 | richardk | :p |
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| 14:45.12 | frostschutz | and if you need a nice looking name there's probably things like dyndns.org or no-ip.com or whatever their names are |
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| 14:46.40 | Towzzer | I have an awesome vhost but the bastardos at freenode are hiding it |
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| 14:47.29 | b0lt | reverse lookup needs to work for it to show up |
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| 14:48.18 | ghoti | So ... does Linux have a real CARP option, or is ucarp the closest it gets? |
| 14:48.35 | Towzzer | it does work |
| 14:49.33 | ghoti | what, ucarp? I know it works, but I'm wondering if there's an actual CARP implementation available. I've searched but haven't found mention of anything except ucarp, which is a different animal. |
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| 14:51.48 | _n3lthon | hi again |
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| 14:52.02 | Towzzer | hi there |
| 14:52.10 | t3ngu | waves |
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| 14:52.23 | patoseghe95 | ciao |
| 14:52.25 | _n3lthon | my problem with dhclient is that it dropps the default gateway because it is from another subnet |
| 14:52.31 | _n3lthon | how can i allow it? |
| 14:52.32 | patoseghe95 | !list |
| 14:52.32 | dpkg | patoseghe95: È possibile di scaricare un sacco di software libero puntando il tuo browser a http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/multi-arch/iso-cd/debian-6.0.6-amd64-i386-netinst.iso ! |
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| 14:53.12 | t3ngu | will it work then with wrong gateway? |
| 14:53.39 | t3ngu | you could add static info in the dhcpd.conf for the mac address of the box you want |
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| 14:54.13 | t3ngu | and specify any gateway you want for the box. |
| 14:54.26 | _n3lthon | t3ngu but its from my isp |
| 14:54.32 | t3ngu | the dhcp? |
| 14:54.37 | _n3lthon | all data information comes from dhcp |
| 14:54.42 | _n3lthon | yes |
| 14:54.47 | t3ngu | and if you change your defaut gw |
| 14:54.50 | t3ngu | will it still work? |
| 14:55.01 | _n3lthon | i set on isp router to attribute the public ip to debian computer |
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| 14:55.22 | _n3lthon | but it dont set the default gateway |
| 14:55.31 | _n3lthon | because it is from different subnet |
| 14:55.35 | t3ngu | check |
| 14:55.39 | t3ngu | you want static route then |
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| 14:55.53 | wols | _n3lthon: you set it up via /etc/network/interfaces ? |
| 14:55.59 | _n3lthon | t3ngu: but the ip always change |
| 14:56.09 | wols | if so, you could use a post up script in there where you set the gw maybe? |
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| 14:56.19 | t3ngu | i have not understand the problem/question then ... Sorry. |
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| 14:56.38 | wols | with dynamic IPs this wouldn't work of course |
| 14:56.44 | _n3lthon | wols: i dont now the default gateway, it may changes each hour or day |
| 14:56.51 | ChrisH_ | _n3lthon: I am not sure about your setup, but another option (assuming your DHCP-Server knows the correct default GW) is to assign the DHCP Servers IP as default GW. DHCP-Server's IP Stack will forward the IP Packets and send an ICMP information that the client should use instead. I use that at home to make all kinds of VPNs work. |
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| 14:57.00 | t3ngu | and on that bombshell its time to go home. talk to yall later. |
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| 14:59.00 | _n3lthon | ChrisH_: the debian gateway does not get the default gateway only the ip and subnet and the mask, i checked and the gateway ip is in another subnet but it may change so i cant define it static |
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| 15:02.14 | ChrisH_ | _n3lthon: I assume you need to draw a small picture to help us understand. |
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| 15:04.29 | quechec | the tool `xev' is part of the `x11-utils' package, not `xbase-clients', as mentioned in the wiki https://wiki.debian.org/Keyboard/MultimediaKeys |
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| 15:10.08 | rdz | hi all. i am running a debian squeeze machine with ext4 that is able to write 800MB/s to disk. it seems some cache is enabled. i'd like to disable it for some testing. what mount options do affect that cache? |
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| 15:12.07 | ksk | yo should google for "disable linux disk caching" or sth liket hat |
| 15:12.09 | ksk | that. |
| 15:12.23 | ksk | http://www.linuxatemyram.com/play.html |
| 15:12.25 | ksk | this one is good iirc. |
| 15:13.32 | rdz | actually, i would like to keep the disk cache (data i've once read from disk), i only like to disable the cache when writing |
| 15:13.51 | wols | then you set the cache strategy to write through |
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| 15:14.49 | sney | I think the mount option 'sync' is what you want |
| 15:15.09 | rdz | sney, i'll try.. thanks.. |
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| 15:15.30 | rdz | sney, interestingly mount -l doesn't show 'async' as a mount option used.. is 'async' the default? |
| 15:16.01 | sney | tbh I haven't played with it much; I like my disk caches the way they are |
| 15:16.31 | tharkun | Does apt-cacherng support rpm based repositories like the ones used on Centos? |
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| 15:19.12 | rdz | sney, 'sync' indeed is it |
| 15:19.46 | sintrix | could anyone help me with http tunnel via openssh debian. trying to connect ssh tunnel with putty/win7 |
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| 15:21.48 | tharkun | sintrix: Actually the way the tunnel is set up depends on putty not on debian. So beyond the scope of the channel |
| 15:22.42 | sintrix | gotcha thanks |
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| 15:22.53 | ecolitan | hello, I'm in the process of upgrading an old lenny machine to squeeze, and cant figure out how to make it boot into the new kernel |
| 15:23.11 | ecolitan | its got all the packages but when it boots it is still the old kernel |
| 15:23.54 | quechec | !tell ecolitan about lenny->squeeze |
| 15:24.01 | jst_ | ecolitan, did you run update-grub? |
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| 15:24.16 | jst_ | Maybe upgrade-grub2? |
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| 15:24.41 | zykotick9 | jst_: was update-grug available with grub1? (i assume lenny used grub1) |
| 15:25.04 | quechec | ecolitan: think twice if you really want to upgrade to squeeze since squeeze+1 aka wheezy is on the way... |
| 15:25.23 | jst_ | Define "on the way"... :) |
| 15:25.27 | ecolitan | jst: thats the thing, no grub packages are installed, this machine in a vm under xen, i'm not sure how its booting |
| 15:25.49 | quechec | jst_: most likely to release this quarter |
| 15:26.12 | quechec | some devs estimate in Feb |
| 15:26.59 | ecolitan | quechec: no going back on this insall |
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| 15:27.27 | ecolitan | i followed all the instructions on debian.org lenny-upgrade guide |
| 15:27.43 | frostschutz | ecolitan: rented vserver? |
| 15:27.50 | ecolitan | nope |
| 15:28.12 | ecolitan | ive root on the metal |
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| 15:29.11 | frostschutz | ecolitan: I'm asking because the last xen place I was at did not actually let vservers choose their own kernels. so it was stuck with 2.6.18 :D |
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| 15:29.59 | lroe | is anyone else having trouble loading https:/packages.debian.org/cinnamon |
| 15:30.09 | lroe | http://packages.debian.org/cinnamon |
| 15:30.13 | ecolitan | well, when I try and just install the new kernel via apt-get, it installs all the 2.6.32-5 packages , except for linux-modules |
| 15:30.21 | sney | lroe, looks fine to me |
| 15:30.25 | lroe | hrm |
| 15:30.49 | frostschutz | ecolitan: if the metal boots a kernel directly you can install anything you like inside the VM, it will never boot anything different than what the host provides |
| 15:31.50 | lroe | what's the bot's name in this channel? |
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| 15:31.57 | ChrisH_ | lroe: dpkg |
| 15:32.28 | lroe | thanks |
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| 15:33.19 | franco00 | I have a lot of .html folder, and I would like to open them all with iceweasel. How to do that via command line? I tried 'ls | iceweasel' but no dice. How to do it? |
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| 15:34.37 | ChrisH | franco00: try iceweasel -new-tab file:///home/x/y/z.html |
| 15:34.55 | ecolitan | franco00: for i in $(ls); do iceweasel $i &; done |
| 15:35.04 | themill | ew |
| 15:35.09 | ecolitan | :P |
| 15:35.32 | franco00 | thanks |
| 15:35.32 | themill | * not $(ls) ... and be careful with filenames with spaces |
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| 15:35.46 | franco00 | not? |
| 15:36.22 | quechec | I would only apply it to html files: for i in *.html; do iceweasel $i; done |
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| 15:37.05 | quechec | (the "*.html" part with ") |
| 15:37.10 | franco00 | thanks |
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| 15:38.19 | jelly | (the "*.html" part with ") # incorrect -- you can figure it out why |
| 15:38.36 | jelly | "$i" with "", though, sure |
| 15:38.55 | quechec | for i in "*.html"; do iceweasel "$i"; done |
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| 15:40.02 | frostschutz | you'd usually write that as iceweasel *.html - if iceweasel takes multiple arguments anyway |
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| 15:40.14 | ecolitan | well I made it boot the new kernel |
| 15:40.35 | quechec | from iceweasel's manpage: iceweasel [OPTIONS] [URL] |
| 15:40.45 | quechec | ^^ so it doesn't seem to take multiple URLs |
| 15:41.11 | frostschutz | did you try it? |
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| 15:41.33 | quechec | frostschutz: no, but I believe in what is written :) |
| 15:41.44 | ecolitan | turns out even if grub isn't installed in the domU, when xen starts a machine up, a script looks at whats in menu.lst - which I had to manually edit |
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| 15:41.59 | franco00 | thanks everyone |
| 15:42.05 | frostschutz | quechec: in case of code, yes, in case of documentation... not so much |
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| 15:43.37 | quechec | frostschutz: if iceweasel were to support taking multiple URLs, I would consider it as a bug since it's not mentioned in the manpage |
| 15:43.53 | frostschutz | well then |
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| 15:50.35 | boudiccas | Are there any other text editors like gedit or geany with a tabbed pages, but also do spell checking please? Any ideas please? |
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| 15:51.24 | quechec | boudiccas: what desktop environment / window manager are you using? |
| 15:52.01 | boudiccas | quechec: LXDE and openbox and cairo-dock |
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| 15:53.23 | quechec | boudiccas: gedit is a bit deprecated on your system since it depends on gnome libraries. What's the problem with geany? |
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| 15:54.03 | boudiccas | quechec: i need spell checking for when i write my blog postings, and i cant find an option for it |
| 15:54.06 | quechec | boudiccas: there is also kwrite and kate, but it's not so recommended to non-users of KDE |
| 15:54.11 | llamaz | Hi :). Will version 3.6 of the linux kernel eventually make it to wheezy? Is is safe for me to upgrade to it? (It provides support for my hardware) |
| 15:54.26 | quechec | boudiccas: libreoffice ? |
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| 15:55.04 | franco00 | or vim + aspell |
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| 15:55.10 | boudiccas | quechec: i write in txt format, and am really looking for a text editor that uses tabs and also does spell checking |
| 15:55.27 | babilen | llamaz: Wheezy will release with 3.2 and members of the Debian team are responsible for upstream's long-term-support for that. Debian's 3.2 kernel also includes a number of backported features from older kernels ... Why do you need 3.6 ? |
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| 15:55.54 | boudiccas | quechec: no, libreoffice, kate, kwrite are all too heavy for the task in hand, just need a lightweight text editor |
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| 15:56.25 | llamaz | llamaz: I require support for my wireless (ralink rt3290) |
| 15:56.26 | quechec | boudiccas: I don't think that the tool you are looking for is already programmed :) |
| 15:56.27 | llamaz | oops |
| 15:56.39 | llamaz | babilen: I require support for my wireless (ralink rt3290) |
| 15:56.47 | boudiccas | quechec: bums! :) |
| 15:56.49 | babilen | aaaah, ralink! |
| 15:56.52 | babilen | runs |
| 15:56.54 | boudiccas | thanks anyway |
| 15:56.56 | llamaz | :S |
| 15:56.57 | frostschutz | boudiccas: geany with spellcheck? |
| 15:57.14 | babilen | llamaz: Which version of Debian do you use? |
| 15:57.20 | frostschutz | boudiccas: most editors have spellcheck, if not builtin then as extension |
| 15:57.26 | boudiccas | frostschutz: yes, is there such a thing? |
| 15:57.44 | llamaz | babilen: Wheezy |
| 15:57.46 | babilen | llamaz: Don't worry -- I just tried to get a ralink card working for hours with another guy ... |
| 15:58.00 | boudiccas | frostschutz: i cant see it in the plugins, so i'l look elsewhere, thanks |
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| 15:58.12 | quechec | boudiccas: ah, right, there is geany-plugin-spellcheck |
| 15:58.47 | babilen | llamaz: Yeah, just add experimental to your sources.list and install the 3.7 kernel from there. (linux-image-3.7-trunk-amd64 or linux-image-3.7-trunk-686-pae) |
| 15:59.20 | boudiccas | quechec: really? i cant see it in the 'plugins manager', so i'll try apt-cache then |
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| 15:59.29 | llamaz | babilen: Is that the most stable version greater than 3.6 available? |
| 16:00.24 | quechec | boudiccas: might be because I am using wheezy, not squeeze |
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| 16:00.34 | quechec | is packages.debian.org down? |
| 16:00.40 | quechec | no |
| 16:01.03 | llamaz | babilen: Or rather, is the 3.6 version or the 3.7 version most stable? (I found instructions to install the 3.6 kernel from source on wheezy) |
| 16:01.07 | boudiccas | quechec: and so am i :) i was apt-caching for geany-plugins, but its actually geany-plugin |
| 16:01.11 | sintrix | command to edit txt in debian from cli? |
| 16:01.15 | sintrix | gedit equiv |
| 16:02.01 | alfplayer | sintrix: very simple? nano |
| 16:02.18 | sintrix | ty |
| 16:02.20 | alfplayer | it's called a text editor |
| 16:02.36 | sintrix | i have leaf by default |
| 16:02.52 | alfplayer | i like leafpad |
| 16:02.59 | quechec | ^^ me, too |
| 16:03.03 | sintrix | first week to linux |
| 16:03.08 | sintrix | srry |
| 16:03.08 | BaW | Debian SSD, Im going to be be install debian 6 32bit to run a chat system and this is going to be running on a hyper-v host. From what im reading i should use EXT4 for the file system and also enable relatime,discard in the fstab. anything else you guys think i should do? |
| 16:03.32 | quechec | !tell sintrix about documentation |
| 16:03.37 | sintrix | i'm reading and configuring as much as possible from cli. |
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| 16:04.01 | quechec | sintrix: also, the packages debian-reference and debian-handbook are nice for reference |
| 16:04.05 | llamaz | sintrix: If you're going to be using the console or editting config files alot, vim/emacs is a must |
| 16:04.39 | sintrix | roger. tyvm :) |
| 16:04.54 | llamaz | :) |
| 16:04.59 | babilen | llamaz: I would just pull in the 3.7 kernel from experimental and don't worry about it ... there is no 3.6 AFAIK |
| 16:05.07 | babilen | llamaz: no 3.6 package that is |
| 16:05.11 | llamaz | babilen: Thank you! |
| 16:05.23 | babilen | (anymore) |
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| 16:06.45 | babilen | sintrix: I would /very/ strongly recommend to read http://debian-handbook.info/ and learn vim. See "apt-get install vim-gtk ; vimtutor" and http://www.derekwyatt.org/vim/vim-tutorial-videos/ for vim tutorials. Also see "/msg dpkg general cli tutorial" |
| 16:06.52 | jelly | BaW: since hyper-v is going to take over IO, usefulness of discard option needs to be verified |
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| 16:07.47 | sintrix | babilen is that the same handbook from apt-get install debian-handbook? |
| 16:08.03 | babilen | sintrix: yes it is |
| 16:08.19 | sintrix | thank you sire :) |
| 16:08.21 | jelly | BaW: you'll want the squeeze-backports kernel or newer to make ext4 stablish, and to have decent support for hyper-v emulated disk controllers. I suggest going with at least a 3.4 kernel for ext4. |
| 16:08.58 | jelly | iff there's 3.2.35 in squeeze-backports now, it might be good enough |
| 16:09.03 | babilen | sintrix: It's a very good book in my opinion. You might want to consider donating a few quid if you like it ;) |
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| 16:10.11 | jelly | BaW: not sure you can even boot the default 2.6.32 -- I wasn't able to, but didn't investigate too much |
| 16:10.23 | sintrix | abso :) |
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| 16:11.22 | jelly | babilen: perhaps donating might make the authors choose a more afforable publisher for the next edition |
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| 16:14.43 | quechec | does anyone have an idea whether Martin Krafft will finalize the second edition of `The Debian System: Concepts and Techniques' some time this century? |
| 16:15.02 | jelly | !any idea |
| 16:15.02 | dpkg | Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a box full of herring, a little cod liver oil, and 42 rabid kittens. And keep the Cabal off my back for the next few hours! |
| 16:15.51 | quechec | jelly: thanks :) |
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| 16:17.23 | Argafal | hello. I'd like to ask for help with binding a key so that I can use it during xscreensaver. In particular I want to bind a script to XF86Display to allow me to execute "xrandr --auto" even when the machine is locked. |
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| 16:17.44 | Guest20952 | hi |
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| 16:17.50 | Guest20952 | do someone know any rdp clients with connection via gate support? |
| 16:18.18 | Towzzer | "I need a van, a continuous tape of louie-louie, and a regulation two story panty raid ladder" |
| 16:18.23 | Towzzer | -bender |
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| 16:20.28 | quechec | Towzzer: if you want it, apt-get it |
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| 16:23.31 | yeehi | Is there an easy to use debian utility to create and use a RAMDISK ? |
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| 16:24.15 | ChrisH | yeehi: why do you need a ram disk? Is debian/Linux's chaching not enough? |
| 16:24.49 | yeehi | Hi, ChrisH - I thought that there wasn't any caching... |
| 16:25.18 | yeehi | I thought I would have to set up a ramdisk. What about loading firefox into RAM? |
| 16:25.58 | ChrisH | yeehi: run free -m and check the Cached figure. that amount of RAM is used for file cache. |
| 16:26.55 | yeehi | total used free shared buffers cached |
| 16:26.55 | yeehi | Mem: 3933 3798 135 0 12 549 |
| 16:26.56 | yeehi | -/+ buffers/cache: 3236 696 |
| 16:26.56 | yeehi | Swap: 1864 525 1339 |
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| 16:27.22 | ChrisH | yeehi: What do you mean by: "Load iceweasel into RAM"? If you start it, it will be placed into RAM. libraries will be loaded only once and mapped to all processed needing them. |
| 16:27.35 | ChrisH | I did not write, paste it :) |
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| 16:28.31 | yeehi | ChrisH - does that look OK? I should have 4GB of RAM |
| 16:28.43 | ChrisH | yeehi: What do you mean by: "Load iceweasel into RAM"? If you start it, it will be placed into RAM. libraries will be loaded only once and mapped to all processed needing them. |
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| 16:29.32 | ChrisH | yeehi: You seem to have a fresh booted system. There are 4GB avaliable and most of your expensive memory is not used at all. This will change after the system is up for a while. |
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| 16:30.24 | yeehi | Sorry, ChrisH - a while back i read about speeding up iceweasel by putting it on RAM (somehow) thanks - recently installed wheezy - |
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| 16:32.28 | ChrisH | yeehi: Trust him (the kernel) on memory usage. In the past the only reason to use a RAM disk was to put the temporary files from compilers onto them instead of a real disk. |
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| 16:45.30 | BaW | jelly: thanks ill look into that |
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| 16:48.33 | twobitsprite | ugh... I have a stupid compliance/audit requirement to produce a list of users which can be logged in to... I was going to write a script to parse /etc/passwd for users with valid shells and then check /etc/passwd for which of those users have actual passwords.... but is there a cleaner way do to this? |
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| 16:49.19 | ChrisH | twobitsprite: try passwd -Sa |
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| 16:50.38 | eightysixed | Hey guys. Does anyone have time to help me out with a quick problem/inconvienience after switching to a new box? |
| 16:50.45 | ChrisH | twobitsprite: man passwd explains the flags seen. P is what you are looking for |
| 16:50.53 | ChrisH | !ask |
| 16:50.54 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 16:51.07 | eightysixed | Fair enough ;) |
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| 16:51.24 | twobitsprite | ChrisH: excellent... that's perfect, thanks |
| 16:51.51 | LV-426 | twobitsprite, for a bit more readable output: passwd -Sa | column -t |
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| 16:52.08 | twobitsprite | LV-426: yep, thanks :) |
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| 16:53.06 | twobitsprite | now, the only downside is that it also includes my LDAP users and I just need local users... but fortunately, it lists the LDAP users as having a locked password, so they get grepped out |
| 16:53.28 | eightysixed | I just switched hosts, and went from a full Debian 6 install to Debian 6 minimal. Everything works fine on the new box, except for irssi visual bells. The config file is IDENTICAL to the old server, and of course, putty is the same, as well. Reloading back on the old server, it works fine. Does Debian 6 Minimal not come stock with the ability to pipe visual bells? What gives? :( |
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| 16:54.06 | sney | there is no such thing as "debian minimal" so I'm not sure what the difference is |
| 16:54.23 | jelly | sney: there is, however, a "base system" installation. |
| 16:54.27 | twobitsprite | sney: he probably just means no tasks selected |
| 16:54.40 | sney | perhaps, but those details would be best from the user |
| 16:54.56 | twobitsprite | actually, that's a good point, eightysixed did you select the base system task, or did you unselect that too? |
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| 16:55.08 | jelly | eightysixed: how did you install the rest of the packages, irssi in particular? |
| 16:55.20 | jelly | twobitsprite: there is no "base system" task |
| 16:55.32 | eightysixed | jelly: aptitude install irssi |
| 16:55.41 | eightysixed | then copied the config over. |
| 16:56.01 | eightysixed | twobitsprite: It's a VPS, i dont have access to the box locally. |
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| 16:56.12 | twobitsprite | jelly: er... there is one task which installs some minimal packages... the installed warns that it's recommend if you want to have a useable system |
| 16:56.13 | jelly | eightysixed: both /etc/irssi.conf and any per-user settings? |
| 16:56.23 | eightysixed | The whole folder :) |
| 16:56.34 | twobitsprite | what folder? |
| 16:56.36 | jelly | eightysixed: which folder? |
| 16:56.38 | eightysixed | .irssi |
| 16:56.40 | twobitsprite | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:56.42 | twobitsprite | oh |
| 16:56.53 | twobitsprite | you might need /etc/irssi.conf too |
| 16:56.55 | jelly | eightysixed: so, you did not copy the global settings? |
| 16:57.24 | jelly | and if you use screen or tmux, did you copy their global settings as well? |
| 16:57.36 | eightysixed | I use screen, and yeahp :) |
| 16:57.40 | eightysixed | twobitsprite: I'll do that now. |
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| 16:58.53 | yeehi | I want to be able to read arabic fonts if they appear in file names and elsewhere - which package should I install? |
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| 17:02.06 | twobitsprite | yeehi: check out http://wiki.debian.org/L10n |
| 17:02.20 | yeehi | thanks, twobitsprite |
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| 17:03.21 | eightysixed | jelly: That did it. |
| 17:03.27 | eightysixed | Thank you :) |
| 17:03.29 | eightysixed | ! |
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| 17:04.05 | jelly | \o/ |
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| 17:06.20 | cardamon | Hmm. |
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| 17:10.44 | pasky | Hi! Is there a tool that would modify Debian's network configuration files according to the current network configuration? (Of course this may be a bad idea in general, but I'm in a specific situation here, building an appliance.) |
| 17:11.13 | nkuttler | pasky: there are some scripts targeted for laptops, yes |
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| 17:22.24 | sttau | my biggest problem with debian is that I can't resist installing a lot of packages that I don't use but that I find interesting while browsing aptitude |
| 17:22.41 | sttau | is there a package to solve my problem? |
| 17:22.48 | Towzzer | use apt |
| 17:23.02 | sttau | :0) |
| 17:23.04 | engla | sttau: debfoster |
| 17:23.56 | sttau | engla: it's installed, and I've never used it |
| 17:24.13 | sttau | aptitude, to me, is just a joy to use |
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| 17:26.32 | cardamon | http://paste.debian.net/226137/ Having some trouble with my ssh. I changed the port to 10099 on my host. Now I go through this when I try to connect. |
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| 17:28.46 | Asfalots | Hi |
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| 17:31.04 | gabedwrds | cardamon: have you looked at line 5 of known_hosts? |
| 17:31.14 | Innocentus | hi |
| 17:31.33 | Innocentus | so I got the problem that I cannot ping my debian with its hostname |
| 17:31.38 | Innocentus | altough this works on another debian |
| 17:31.44 | cardamon | gabedwrds: Yes. That's what the ssh-keygen -R is for. |
| 17:31.46 | pasky | nkuttler: sounds great! does some name or googlable keyword occur to you? |
| 17:31.54 | Innocentus | I installed samba and set the hostname |
| 17:32.00 | Innocentus | this should be normally enough |
| 17:32.00 | gabedwrds | cardamon: no, I mean actually looked at the file |
| 17:32.03 | Innocentus | but it still makes problems |
| 17:32.21 | gabedwrds | according to the second attempt, line 5 is still causing a problem after ssh-keygen -R |
| 17:32.22 | cardamon | gabedwrds: It's all meaningless to me. |
| 17:32.56 | cardamon | It's a ecdsa key. |
| 17:32.59 | gabedwrds | the start of each line identifies what host it's for |
| 17:33.11 | cardamon | No, it doesn't. At least not in cleartext. |
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| 17:35.33 | gabedwrds | are you sure? is the known_hosts format completely different for ecdsa or something? |
| 17:35.51 | gabedwrds | anyway, you may want to delete line 5. for whatever reason ssh-keygen -R didn't take care of it |
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| 17:36.37 | gabedwrds | oh, hashed host mode |
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| 17:36.50 | gabedwrds | anyway, ssh pointed out that line 5 is the problem, so take it out |
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| 17:50.09 | jhutchins | pasky: vi |
| 17:50.36 | jhutchins | pasky: AFIK there is no "save current config" function except perhaps in network-manager |
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| 17:54.08 | invariant | How can I pass additional parameters to X when it starts? |
| 17:54.26 | invariant | I don't know the file which contains the call to X. |
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| 17:58.22 | Innocentus | I just found out why the debian system wasn't pingable by windows systems: The hostname (which is also used as NetBIOS-name by samba by default) was too long. The allowed character count of a NetBIOS-hostname ranges 1-15 (minimum is 1 character, maximum are 15 characters). Anything above this would lead to problems as being not reachable by windows host under that name. |
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| 17:59.51 | Innocentus | One would have to change the hostname of machine or only another NetBIOS-hostname by setting it explicitly with netbios name=[1-15 characters] in /etc/samba/smb.conf |
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| 18:02.32 | confusid1 | is there a way to list items on a directory from a web site? |
| 18:02.36 | stoS | http://www.termbux.com/?ref=prekidac |
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| 18:02.48 | confusid1 | I'm trying to find the package name I need but cant just view it with a browser. :/ |
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| 18:11.06 | nvz | I have a 8086:2a4a mobile series 4 intel gpu in this laptop.. been playing hell trying to get it to not royally suck.. tweaked the dri last night and got the black boxes where fonts should be in a windows app solved.. however I still have one screen in the app where an animated graphic fails to show at all. I'm wondering if anyone knows any hardcore tweaks for intel gpus |
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| 18:12.23 | nvz | I'm gonna have to install windows on this f'n machine if I can't get the graphics performance to at least suck.. heh |
| 18:12.54 | nvz | it randomly has gpu hangs and lockups just in 2d normal desktop/web usage, and randomly fails to render things at all in 3d |
| 18:13.30 | nvz | my best idea at this point is to try wheezy or something like mint that is newer.. |
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| 18:17.26 | Towzzer | nvz, try mint 4 |
| 18:17.29 | Towzzer | 14 |
| 18:17.40 | confusid1 | found the package I wanted. using dpkg can I force it to install to /usr/local instead of what it wants /opt? |
| 18:17.45 | jhutchins | nvz: What about xorg from backports |
| 18:17.54 | nvz | Towzzer: yeah mint would be my next best thing to debian as I know it has legacy style GUIs |
| 18:18.22 | nvz | jhutchins: that sounds messy.. you have a walkthrough on hammering in xorg from backports? |
| 18:19.34 | jhutchins | nvz: SHouldn't be hard, follow the instructions on backports.debian.org |
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| 18:20.17 | nonesens | Can I have an irc app in the terminal? |
| 18:20.33 | zykotick9 | nonesens: irssi weechat |
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| 18:21.49 | pasky | jhutchins: hmm, so i might have to go ahead and implement that myself if i won't be able to find those scripts nkuttler mentioned... oh well :) |
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| 18:22.30 | akurczyk | hello |
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| 18:23.44 | akurczyk | i am installing postfix and dovecot. postfix and dovecot works fine, but i can't setup sasl postfix auth. it says authentication failed: authentication faulure. sasl is installed and even works :) what i have to do? |
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| 18:24.21 | FRO5T | did you checked the certificate ? |
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| 18:25.30 | akurczyk | no i didn't but when installing dovecot it says that this cert is valid for 10 days |
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| 18:25.50 | FRO5T | hm strange |
| 18:25.56 | akurczyk | Jan 18 19:20:45 e00 postfix/smtpd[2650]: warning: SASL authentication problem: unable to open Berkeley db /etc/sasldb2: No such file or directory |
| 18:25.59 | akurczyk | Jan 18 19:20:45 e00 postfix/smtpd[2650]: warning: SASL authentication failure: Password verification failed |
| 18:26.03 | akurczyk | this is in log |
| 18:26.19 | zastern | Is there a good explanation somewhere of how debian releases work? I'm considering moving from Ubuntu Server (always LTS) to debian. And with Ubuntu it's pretty clear cut that you just run LTS on servers, but with debian people seem to install stable than pull some packages from testing, or just do other things I'm just not totally clear on |
| 18:26.51 | frostschutz | zastern: you just use stable on a server |
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| 18:27.04 | zastern | frostschutz: isn't stable many years out of date though? |
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| 18:27.22 | zastern | I know that old/stable packages are good, it depends *how* old |
| 18:27.22 | FRO5T | read that: http://www.howtoforge.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12433 |
| 18:27.26 | FRO5T | post number #2 |
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| 18:27.41 | twobitsprite | zastern: not sure if there is a definitive guide on this... it depends on your requirements... I run stable on servers, and sometimes I pull packages from backports if I really need a newer version... only once have I had to manually backport something from sid to stable on one of my servers |
| 18:27.59 | zastern | twobitsprite: can you define "manually backport" |
| 18:28.07 | FRO5T | akurczyk: http://www.howtoforge.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12433 - post #2 |
| 18:28.09 | twobitsprite | !tell zastern about ssb |
| 18:28.15 | desa | is wheezy in package freeze? besides some bugs in the os preventing release is it prettymuch stable? |
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| 18:28.38 | zastern | twobitsprite: hmm couldn't I end up with conflicting dependencies though? |
| 18:28.44 | twobitsprite | zastern: also, updates are made to stable to backport security fixes, and minor releases are made with some version updates |
| 18:28.46 | nvz | jhutchins: yeah I know how to work backports.. I just dont know how to pull something as big and tangled as xorg from an outside source.. |
| 18:28.51 | frostschutz | zastern: debian is for people who don't want/need the latest whizbangs :P |
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| 18:29.16 | zastern | I don't want the latest whizbangs, but >3 years old is probably not good |
| 18:29.26 | nonesens | zykotick9: thanks a lot |
| 18:29.28 | twobitsprite | zastern: it's possible, but unlikely... since you're compiling it for stable, the depends should work out... i.e., it'll compile against the versions of libs you're currently running, etc |
| 18:29.33 | frostschutz | desa: freeze since half a year or so? it has to age a little more to become stable }:-> |
| 18:29.34 | zykotick9 | zastern: actually it's very well tested. |
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| 18:29.55 | FRO5T | I am unable to remember which was the first hacked debian server... |
| 18:30.02 | nvz | jhutchins: last time I even installed X outside "desktop system" in tasksel we were still using xfree86.. heh.. I have no idea whats what anymore |
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| 18:30.08 | zykotick9 | zastern: if you wait for wheezy to become stable, the package age won't be as much an issue... (for a while) |
| 18:30.10 | frostschutz | FRO5T: you don't remember your own server? |
| 18:30.18 | akurczyk | FRO5T: root@e00:~# postconf | grep smtpd_sasl_path |
| 18:30.18 | akurczyk | smtpd_sasl_path = smtpd |
| 18:30.23 | FRO5T | it's still runing |
| 18:30.33 | zastern | packages.debian.org is megaslow right now :( |
| 18:30.43 | zastern | im trying to check the versions of some things |
| 18:31.09 | desa | frostschutz: thanks I thought so |
| 18:31.09 | zykotick9 | zastern: you can msg judd for versions of stuff as an alternative |
| 18:31.21 | FRO5T | frostschutz: feel free to hack my testing server - itestpage.zapto.org |
| 18:32.08 | zastern | so the current stable is . . . squeeze? |
| 18:32.15 | FRO5T | yes |
| 18:32.33 | zykotick9 | zastern: with an example of xchat, "/msg judd version xchat" should give you versions info. |
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| 18:32.39 | zastern | hmm there's a pretty old nginx in there, but 1.2 is in squeeze backports. that's pretty recent. ok, welp, this seems reasonable |
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| 18:33.25 | zastern | i definitely want to move away from ubuntu, so now its between "real" debian and RHEL. we'll see |
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| 18:33.48 | zastern | I'm tempted to go to debian since I've been doing ubuntu for years - probably would be easier |
| 18:34.03 | frostschutz | zastern: you really have to fix your vocabulary. there's a pretty stable nginx in there!!1eleven ;) |
| 18:34.14 | jhutchins | zastern: As a user of both I recommend ubuntu. |
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| 18:34.19 | zastern | frostschutz: I'm not following you |
| 18:34.22 | jhutchins | zastern: Support is MUCH better. |
| 18:34.29 | zastern | jhutchins: you mean commercial support? |
| 18:34.38 | FRO5T | same terminal commands, locations for folders and many other things are almost same as in ubuntu |
| 18:34.41 | zastern | We don't buy commercial support so that doesn't help me |
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| 18:34.50 | jhutchins | zastern: I mean general support. |
| 18:35.09 | zastern | jhutchins: oh you mean like available packages, etc. yeah, almost everybody seems to have a deb repo targeting ubuntu. which is nice. |
| 18:35.21 | jhutchins | zastern: We have premium RH support, and it's much easier to find someone who knows what's going on with a Debian problem. |
| 18:35.22 | zykotick9 | jhutchins: with the choice of debian/rhel you recommend ubuntu? what... |
| 18:35.32 | zastern | jhutchins: haha that's pretty lulz |
| 18:35.45 | zastern | zykotick9: well I already use ubuntu so I think that's why he's saying that |
| 18:35.57 | jhutchins | zastern: Sorry, multitasking, I meant debian. |
| 18:36.09 | jhutchins | zastern: ubuntu's a lot more chaotic. |
| 18:36.11 | zastern | jhutchins: ubuntu has a huge community but I've found that it's mostly clueless, relative to debian and arch communities |
| 18:36.21 | twobitsprite | zastern: if you're looking for some reassurance in running debian on servers (or something to show your managers) check this out: http://w3techs.com/technologies/history_details/os-linux |
| 18:36.31 | FRO5T | ubuntu and that unity makes my stomach like scrambled eggs |
| 18:36.36 | jhutchins | zastern: I help out in #ubuntu when it gets too dead here. |
| 18:36.40 | FRO5T | to look like* |
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| 18:37.05 | zastern | heh well, we don't run linux on the desktop so that's a non-issue |
| 18:37.16 | FRO5T | I wouldn't be surprised even if they renamed it soon to appleBuntu |
| 18:37.28 | zastern | I actually like Unity. |
| 18:37.36 | zastern | but I like AwesomeWM more. |
| 18:37.52 | jhutchins | The problem with RH support is it's very "siloed". You get one tech, he refers the problem to one engineer, and your chances that that particular engineer knows the part of the system you're working on aren't very good. |
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| 18:38.31 | jhutchins | With open community support you're much more likely to be seen by someone who knows the stuff you're working on. |
| 18:38.49 | zastern | yeah, and with the ubuntu commmunity you can be sure nobody knows anything! ;) |
| 18:39.04 | FRO5T | :D D: D: |
| 18:39.23 | zastern | There's 1200 people in #ubuntu and 5 of them are knowledgable |
| 18:39.42 | peterrooney | zastern: 1800 |
| 18:39.46 | zastern | and it's 1000 other people saying my wireless doesn't work plz can you help |
| 18:39.59 | FRO5T | wireless was issue 2 years ago |
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| 18:40.07 | FRO5T | now is kinda plug and play |
| 18:40.16 | zastern | yeah . . . I remember trying to get WPA to work |
| 18:40.21 | zastern | manually configuring wpa_supplicant |
| 18:40.26 | zastern | one of the least-fun things ever |
| 18:40.30 | FRO5T | you remember it |
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| 18:40.56 | zastern | and bw43-fwcutter |
| 18:40.58 | zastern | and all that nonsesnse |
| 18:41.22 | FRO5T | i had broadcom which was pretty old but worked fine until the integrated antenna died few monts ago |
| 18:41.27 | FRO5T | bcm43xx |
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| 18:42.48 | zifnab | any idea why useradd would be returning '2304' in a perl script for 'user already exists' instead of 9? |
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| 18:43.44 | zifnab | because i'm using it wrong, that's why |
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| 18:47.40 | jst_ | Can anyone help me figure out what happened to the package "fstrim"? It seems to have disappeared except for alpha and hppa architectures! |
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| 18:48.26 | FRO5T | fstrim works fine on my ssd |
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| 18:51.07 | jst_ | FRO5T, it used to work for me, too. But the package seems to have been removed from the repo on this new installation I did today. |
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| 18:52.12 | FRO5T | they will restore or update it, the debian server seems to be updated |
| 18:52.17 | queso | If I just want to secure my workstation, is shorewall good a option? |
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| 18:53.12 | chaser12 | Just ran a system upgrade… and now when issuing an init.d start command from sudo, I get a "start-stop-daemon: command not found" error |
| 18:53.17 | FRO5T | I did new server installation few days ago and one of the servers was updated and didn't had anything in it, so waited few days and the servers was updated |
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| 18:53.33 | chaser12 | Also, no error when run from root |
| 18:53.43 | chaser12 | user is in sudoers file |
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| 18:54.02 | chaser12 | any idea whats going on with that or where to start? |
| 18:54.04 | vaillor | hi guys |
| 18:54.10 | vaillor | how to install aircrack-ng ? |
| 18:54.19 | FRO5T | go with backtrack instead... |
| 18:54.33 | vaillor | apt-get install aircrack-ng no matches it |
| 18:55.06 | jordanm | vaillor, it was removed from debian due to licensing issues |
| 18:55.15 | jordanm | vaillor, install from source |
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| 18:55.28 | vaillor | jordanm, how to do it? |
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| 18:56.22 | jordanm | vaillor, the same way you install anything else from source. additional help should go to #aircrack-ng |
| 18:56.40 | jhutchins | chaser12: Sounds like a path problem. |
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| 18:57.14 | jhutchins | chaser12: I think I'd do an aptitude -f install to see if it fixed anything, then reboot. |
| 18:57.45 | jhutchins | chaser12: I've found that debian seems to need to reboot more than once after an upgrade before everything works. |
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| 18:59.04 | chaser12 | Thanks for the input. aptitude found 7 pkgs needing removal… haha, not sure if that will help, but I'm going to let it run through it all and reboot a time or two again |
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| 19:02.49 | chaser12 | hmm. more progress, I just logged in to the desktop gui… and the user has lost all access to administration & system programs |
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| 19:03.18 | chaser12 | cant even access as system settings menu |
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| 19:05.18 | chaser12 | the user also cannot use the reboot command, even with sudo. |
| 19:05.41 | chaser12 | only jumping into a su shell allows the reboot command |
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| 19:09.16 | jhutchins | chaser12: What did you upgrade from/to? |
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| 19:10.38 | chaser12 | I believe the debian os, kernels etc all stayed the same, just ran a system wide "upgrade" since there were 500+ pkgs due for upgrade |
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| 19:11.02 | chaser12 | I should have monitored it closer…. anyone know which log would have all that? |
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| 19:11.23 | jhutchins | chaser12: I think it's in the apt log. |
| 19:11.30 | jhutchins | chaser12: What release are you on? |
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| 19:12.08 | chaser12 | 6.0.5 |
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| 19:13.34 | wsn | hey guys i have a problem on debian: while i'm connected to the internet connection drops. when i try to /etc/init.d/network stop and then start i still can't reconnect. I have to reboot to be able to reconnect |
| 19:13.39 | wsn | any ideas? |
| 19:13.58 | wsn | it's debian squeeze |
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| 19:15.59 | jhutchins | wsn: ethernet or wifi? |
| 19:16.09 | xsappyx | wsn: wireless or wired? have you tried to rmmod and then modprobe your network driver modules when it gets hosed yet? that helps sometimes |
| 19:16.10 | wsn | oops sorry its ethernet |
| 19:16.15 | wsn | and the if is eth0 |
| 19:16.26 | jhutchins | wsn: What chipset? |
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| 19:16.50 | wsn | jhutchins: Ethernet controller: Atheros Communications AR8152 v2.0 |
| 19:17.04 | wsn | that's the output from lspci |
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| 19:17.35 | jhutchins | let's see if the bots know anything about it. |
| 19:17.42 | jhutchins | !ar8152 |
| 19:17.42 | dpkg | The Atheros AR8152 Fast Ethernet controller (v1.1: PCI ID 1969:2060; v2.0: PCI ID 1969:2062) is supported by the <atl1c> driver in Debian linux-image packages since linux-2.6 2.6.32-28 (Debian bug #599771). Ask me about <install debian>. |
| 19:18.24 | wsn | hmmm |
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| 19:18.26 | wsn | uname -a |
| 19:18.27 | wsn | Linux swan 2.6.32-5-686 #1 SMP Sun Sep 23 09:49:36 UTC 2012 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 19:18.29 | jhutchins | wsn: Is there a spare port on your router? |
| 19:18.36 | wsn | yes there is |
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| 19:19.03 | jhutchins | wsn: Try changing ports. |
| 19:19.10 | jhutchins | ,kernels |
| 19:19.12 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 3.7-trunk-686-pae (3.7.3-1~experimental.1); sid: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.35-2); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.35-2); squeeze-backports: 3.2.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.2.35-2~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-46); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-35~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-29) |
| 19:19.58 | wsn | jhutchins: ok |
| 19:20.08 | jhutchins | wsn: If the kernel didn't support it you wouldn't be connecting normally. |
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| 19:20.41 | jhutchins | wsn: I'm reluctant to recommend jumping to a 3.x kernel just to see if it works better. Of course, it's easy to drop back. |
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| 19:20.59 | wsn | jhutchins: yeah, but i thought i would show the output of uname in case someone faced the same issue |
| 19:21.33 | chaser12 | more progress… The apt log shows it installed a new sudo |
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| 19:21.51 | chaser12 | which I told it to keep the original sudoers file |
| 19:21.56 | chaser12 | see log here http://tny.cz/61a8ba0b |
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| 19:22.11 | chaser12 | still not sure why it wont recognizer user as a sudoer then... |
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| 19:28.18 | engla | chaser12: add the user to sudo group and login again? |
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| 19:30.08 | aPpYe | I am confused as to why os-prober is generating multiple copies of the same entry: http://paste.debian.net/226165/ starting at line 98... Any ideas? |
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| 19:31.09 | jhutchins | aPpYe: Do you have it configured manually somewhere? |
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| 19:31.55 | aPpYe | jhutchins, not that I know of... Default install as far as I know. |
| 19:32.02 | smile | byee :) |
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| 19:32.43 | jhutchins | aPpYe: Which release? |
| 19:32.57 | aPpYe | the partition that it is adding is a very minimal debian stable install without grub installed. |
| 19:33.06 | aPpYe | of os-prober? |
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| 19:33.29 | aPpYe | jhutchins, os-prober 1.56 from testing. |
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| 19:37.22 | wsn | jhutchins: thanks, i'll try jumping to 3.* kernel in the next days. Until now the connection hasn't dropped though in the second router port |
| 19:37.27 | wsn | bb |
| 19:38.24 | sfan5 | i'm following the guide at http://wiki.debian.org/iPhone to mount my iPhone, but i don't have a "iPhone of ..." directory in .gvfs |
| 19:38.39 | sfan5 | any help? |
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| 19:39.12 | Towzzer | bumblebee? |
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| 19:41.35 | aPpYe | sooo. no help for anyone not usign stable then? |
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| 19:48.15 | TheGrey__ | o./ dd entire disk with 3 partions, does it require the backup drive to have the same partitions sizes? |
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| 19:48.46 | jhutchins | aPpYe: Does the partition have more than one kernel? |
| 19:49.05 | Towzzer | thegrey , no |
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| 19:49.24 | Towzzer | it will make those if you dd directly to the device |
| 19:49.44 | Towzzer | you are copying the partition tables, etc over to the new file/device |
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| 19:50.06 | TheGrey__ | Towzzer: thanks, and will I be able to immediately use it if I need to: like via booting? I plan on doing entire HDD |
| 19:51.01 | Towzzer | backup drive is the same size? |
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| 19:51.24 | Towzzer | I've never performed the operation with DD so I can't say |
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| 19:56.56 | frostschutz | TheGrey_: if you make a bit perfect copy of an entire hdd you can replace the old one and no one will notice (unless you specifically had a reference to /dev/disk/by-id/disk-serialno-etc or something) |
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| 20:00.41 | jhutchins | There is a bootable CD called clonezilla that is great for duplicating drives if TheGrey comes back. |
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| 20:01.06 | jhutchins | He shouldn't try to do it from the disk he's copying. |
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| 20:02.07 | FRO5T | raid - mirroring ;) |
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| 20:08.13 | floogy | Hi, I need to know if my lighttpd opackage in debian/squeeze is compiled with these options --with-webdav-props --with-webdav-locks |
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| 20:08.44 | module000 | floogy: look at the `configure` file in apt-src? |
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| 20:09.17 | floogy | I found those options in debian/rules afair. |
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| 20:11.54 | wols | floogy: then it's compiled with them |
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| 20:12.28 | floogy | wols, but I get only 53% out of the litmus webdav test |
| 20:12.38 | floogy | in section copymove |
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| 20:13.32 | floogy | http://redmine.lighttpd.net/projects/1/wiki/Docs_ModWebDAV at the bottom of the site |
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| 20:14.09 | floogy | They, it seems, getting 100% out of the copymove section. |
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| 20:20.46 | floogy | ./debian/rules:--with-attr --with-webdav-locks --with-webdav-props |
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| 20:21.05 | floogy | oops, wrong channel |
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| 20:21.52 | floogy | no, damn, I'm in the right channel :P |
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| 20:24.43 | floogy | # egrep '^with_webdav_props|^with_webdav_locks' ./configure |
| 20:24.43 | floogy | with_webdav_props |
| 20:24.43 | floogy | with_webdav_locks |
| 20:25.13 | floogy | So, that should definitively build with those options, right? |
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| 20:26.34 | jhutchins | floogy: run phpinfo in it. |
| 20:26.46 | floogy | php? |
| 20:27.22 | FRO5T | page with script to show all of your php information |
| 20:27.25 | floogy | mod_webdav is tested by phpinfo() |
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| 20:27.27 | floogy | ?? |
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| 20:30.10 | anigma | would you have to install the locale package to be able to change /etc/locale.gen? Or is that there by default? |
| 20:30.47 | floogy | is this right? echo "<? phpinfo() >" > phpinfo.php |
| 20:31.27 | anigma | should be <?php phpinfo() ?> |
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| 20:31.40 | FRO5T | yes |
| 20:31.47 | Guest72192 | anigma why? |
| 20:31.53 | Guest72192 | <? should work fine |
| 20:31.56 | Guest72192 | and theres no need to close it |
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| 20:32.17 | FRO5T | don't call that from your terminal, use your browser |
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| 20:32.52 | Guest72192 | FRO5T it'll work fine from terminal |
| 20:33.00 | Guest72192 | and output fine |
| 20:33.13 | floogy | As I expected there is no webdav at all ;) |
| 20:33.21 | FRO5T | and you will scroll down like crazy ^^ |
| 20:33.33 | Guest72192 | there's this amazing tool called grep |
| 20:33.35 | floogy | Because it has nothing to do with php... |
| 20:34.43 | anigma | Guest72192: what? since when aren't you supposed to use proper PHP tags? |
| 20:35.00 | Guest72192 | anigma how is <? not a proper PHP tag? |
| 20:35.37 | floogy | It could be another script language, but with the proper php handler configured ... |
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| 20:36.18 | Guest72192 | <?php could be another script language if configured so |
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| 20:37.33 | Guest72192 | hell, you could even use <script type="text/php"></script> on some setups |
| 20:37.37 | _n3lthon | hi, i need some help using dhclient and rfc 3442 (classless routes) |
| 20:37.46 | FRO5T | textp php :D :D D: |
| 20:37.53 | _n3lthon | my gateway dont set the gateway |
| 20:38.19 | Guest72192 | asp tags also work sometimes |
| 20:38.21 | _n3lthon | and givesme an SIOCADDRT |
| 20:38.30 | _n3lthon | *error |
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| 20:39.14 | FRO5T | text/php it is not recommended to use, because some browsers may not translate it correctly |
| 20:39.28 | floogy | So, one can say it's proof, that on debian/squeeze lighttpd is enabled with props and locks by default, right?= |
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| 20:39.52 | FRO5T | floogy: try turnkey debian based lighttpd distro |
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| 20:39.57 | FRO5T | and have less headache |
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| 20:40.03 | floogy | lighthttp mod_webdav |
| 20:40.27 | floogy | turnkey? never heard about that |
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| 20:40.54 | FRO5T | better start knowing these little powerful beasts ! |
| 20:40.57 | floogy | googling |
| 20:41.10 | xsappyx | _n3lthon: "my gateway dont set the gateway" ? not getting a default route set? or your static routes aren't getting set (rfc 3442) |
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| 20:42.07 | _n3lthon | xsappyx: default gateway are not being set because default gateway ip is not in the same subnet |
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| 20:42.28 | FRO5T | floogy: http://www.turnkeylinux.org/lighttpd-php-fastcgi |
| 20:42.48 | floogy | is that kvm or xen based? |
| 20:42.52 | floogy | or chroot |
| 20:43.07 | FRO5T | i dunno, im using lamp |
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| 20:43.13 | Kartagis | hi |
| 20:43.31 | FRO5T | there is xen based |
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| 20:43.43 | Kartagis | can you suggest a cli pastebin interface? |
| 20:43.53 | Arrowmaster | pastebinit |
| 20:43.54 | Kartagis | pastebinit is not usable |
| 20:44.08 | floogy | FROST, on bare metal, virtual machines, or in the cloud. |
| 20:44.19 | FRO5T | floggy: OVF, OpenStack, OpenVZ, Xen , VM |
| 20:44.26 | floogy | didn't get it |
| 20:44.47 | floogy | Ah, ok a vm appliance |
| 20:45.32 | FRO5T | my lamp server is running on virtualbox (vm) , you asked for xen or kvm and I said that there is xen option for lighttpd |
| 20:45.34 | FRO5T | ;] |
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| 20:46.57 | floogy | I wa just curious how that might work, like jails, chroot or zones, or in a virtual machine |
| 20:47.31 | FRO5T | it will work as long as you want |
| 20:47.39 | _n3lthon | xsappyx: do you have any idea? |
| 20:48.32 | FRO5T | _n3lthon whats the problem ? |
| 20:48.33 | xsappyx | _n3lthon: do you have a dhclient trace you can paste somewhere? |
| 20:48.40 | FRO5T | can't set up the gateway or static ip ? |
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| 20:50.41 | _n3lthon | FRO5T: my isp router is in the mode that gives my debian machine the public ip by dhcp, but the debian machine does not get/set the default gateway for that interface |
| 20:51.03 | FRO5T | nano /etc/network/interfaces |
| 20:51.10 | FRO5T | and set it properly |
| 20:51.29 | FRO5T | change the "dhcp" to static and be happy |
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| 20:51.34 | _n3lthon | FRO5T: i cant, the ip is not fixed |
| 20:51.55 | FRO5T | that's your internal ip not external |
| 20:52.02 | FRO5T | your external is dynamic ;] |
| 20:52.17 | floogy | FROST, are you running that on a debian host? |
| 20:52.27 | _n3lthon | FRO5T: my router has an function that gives my dynamic ip to the debian host |
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| 20:52.37 | FRO5T | floggy: im running turknkey lamp not lighttpd |
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| 20:53.12 | FRO5T | your router update it's ip from dhcp |
| 20:53.44 | FRO5T | you can set static ip inside of routers options or from your /etc/network/interfaces |
| 20:53.55 | _n3lthon | and for that it has to be in dhcp. the problem is that i receive the public ip on debian host but the gateway ip dont |
| 20:54.15 | _n3lthon | but i dont want private ip on the machine |
| 20:54.21 | floogy | That wasn't the question, but I can't find the props and locks option there. Is there no release info? http://www.turnkeylinux.org/lighttpd-php-fastcgi |
| 20:54.42 | FRO5T | you can't change your external ip to something else which is given by your isp |
| 20:55.00 | _n3lthon | no |
| 20:55.08 | FRO5T | your isp has a 'pool' of dynamic ip and changing them as they want and when they wnat |
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| 20:55.55 | _n3lthon | its everything dynamic, the problem is that the ip of the gateway on isp is not in the same subnet of the public ip that i receive |
| 20:56.00 | FRO5T | floogy: debian 6.0 squeeze |
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| 20:57.07 | _n3lthon | i know that i have to use classless (rfc 3442) but it is not working for setting the default gateway |
| 20:57.29 | floogy | FROST, that turnkey isn't prrof safe to know if it's compiled with mod_webdav priops and locks. I can't find anything about it and other capabilities of lighttpd shipped with that turnkey appliance. |
| 20:57.34 | FRO5T | you set up subnet with 255.255.255.0 |
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| 20:58.27 | floogy | s/prrof/proof/ -e s/priops/props/ |
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| 20:58.51 | FRO5T | floogy: ask them in their forum |
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| 21:00.26 | floogy | I already asked here if that might be the proof, but didn't get the confirmation... |
| 21:00.41 | jhutchins | _n3lthon: You can set all of that manually as long as it matches what the DHCP setting should be, but a gateway that's not on the same subnet is not ever going to work with TCP/IP. |
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| 21:01.33 | twobitsprite | if I have a debian source package (i.e., a tarball with a debian directory) and the package isn't in any of my repos, what's an easy way to install the build-depends for it? |
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| 21:02.11 | _n3lthon | jhutchins: windows works with that config i had to check and it received an 2.0.0.0 ip ip and the gateway was 194.0.0.0 subnet |
| 21:02.59 | floogy | But I assume, that lighttpd on debian/squeeze ships with props and locks configured by default... but without confirmation, though. |
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| 21:14.11 | jhutchins | His netmask must be something like 0.0.0.0. Windows is broken. |
| 21:14.23 | jhutchins | Sometimes that means it works when it shouldn't. |
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| 21:17.14 | Aut0Exec | is gnome 3 in repos? |
| 21:17.28 | Aut0Exec | or no? |
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| 21:18.02 | Aut0Exec | shengyao: nice ip6 addy bro |
| 21:18.05 | Aut0Exec | :) |
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| 21:20.33 | Aut0Exec | please noone answer all at once |
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| 21:21.58 | druonysus | I upgraded a system from Debian 5 to Debian 6. I got this error: http://paste.opensuse.org/69682666 <-- is this something I need to be worried about, and if so, how do I fix it? |
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| 21:22.31 | caf | Aut0Exec: http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=gnome - looks like wheezy has 3.4 |
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| 21:22.58 | FRO5T | Auto0Exec, http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=30&t=59448 |
| 21:23.03 | Aut0Exec | ok kewl |
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| 21:23.48 | Aut0Exec | FRO5T: thats old |
| 21:24.15 | FRO5T | http://www.0d.be/debian/debian-gnome-3.0-status.html |
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| 21:24.46 | Aut0Exec | is debian wheezy stable? |
| 21:25.17 | wols | ,versions gnome |
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| 21:25.18 | judd | Package: gnome on i386 -- lenny: 1:2.22.2~5; squeeze: 1:2.30+7; sid: 1:3.4+7; wheezy: 1:3.4+7 |
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| 21:26.18 | enveezee | well, installed xorg from backports and went from almost working intel video to it now not working at all in crossover anyhow |
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| 21:27.52 | enveezee | fun stuff.. idk why people rave about how good intel graphics work.. I've yet to see it work even shitty |
| 21:28.25 | enveezee | pretty much any intel integrated gpu I've had has had random gpu hangs and selectively renderes textures in 3d randomly |
| 21:28.50 | enveezee | I |
| 21:28.53 | FRO5T | +1 |
| 21:29.09 | enveezee | I can't type.. heh.. keep hitting enter trying to say "I'm" :-P |
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| 21:29.41 | enveezee | I'm clueless what is the best thing to try make this work.. other than just install windows cause it seems the damn things work on windows |
| 21:29.49 | FRO5T | I had one laptop with GMA hd 3000 and know how it freezes while scrolling pages |
| 21:30.39 | enveezee | well I can sell this right now if I can get it to run this windows game.. and before I installed backports xorg I at least had it all working other than the main menu screen was pretty much all black |
| 21:31.47 | h00ked | hi there, anyone meet with this erro? -"Welcome to Grub: error "prefix" is not set " |
| 21:31.48 | h00ked | Its after boot debian wheezy beta4. I tried burn CD, DVD, netinstall, classic, make boot flashdisk, with a same problem, so, i cant install it.. any ideas? |
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| 21:31.50 | aPpYe | jhutchins, no, the partition only has one kernel. The 5 entries that os-prober creates for it are all pointing to the same one. |
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| 21:33.50 | enveezee | I'm still at a loss for why it just does nothing now after the xorg upgrade.. the screen goes black, and the cursor never even changes to the game cursor or anything |
| 21:34.38 | gettingdebian | Hey, I just installed debian on my lap and I have no internet connection (can't find any wireless networks) and no sound. Probably drivers problem. What can I do to fix this? |
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| 21:35.13 | musca | !wpa |
| 21:35.13 | dpkg | wpa is Wi-Fi Protected Access. A WPA supplicant for Debian systems is in the 'wpasupplicant' package. Read /usr/share/doc/wpasupplicant/README.Debian.gz to configure (especially "Troubleshooting" for association to hidden SSIDs). Debian-Installer supports WPA as of the <wheezy beta> installers. See also <nowpa>. http://wiki.debian.org/WPA http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/HowToUse#wpasupplicant |
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| 21:35.22 | enveezee | gettingdebian: well without network pasting files may be difficult.. are you capable of exapning logs and spotting errors? |
| 21:35.31 | enveezee | *examining |
| 21:36.05 | gettingdebian | not really I'm pretty new to linux at all. But I can try |
| 21:36.08 | enveezee | gettingdebian: first thing to do would be type dmesg, near the bottom of the output would likely be an error about your wifi card.. probably complaining about firmware |
| 21:36.37 | enveezee | gettingdebian: another useful piece of information would be lspci -nn just the relevant lines for the hardware not working.. i.e. sound card and wifi card |
| 21:36.56 | FRO5T | Sound Preferences: -> select the device |
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| 21:37.14 | FRO5T | or "unmute" |
| 21:37.27 | queso | Where do selinux logs go for wheezy? |
| 21:37.31 | enveezee | gettingdebian: the lspci thing will tell us specifically what hardware you got and help us narrow it down more easily |
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| 21:37.50 | gettingdebian | i already read those and It didn't really help. I realized my network card is Ralink's (also dmesg had nothing unsuall) |
| 21:37.51 | enveezee | gettingdebian: but to a more trained eye, the dmesg output would indicate the problems specifically |
| 21:38.23 | gettingdebian | just a second, I'l go through most of it without filtering it |
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| 21:38.27 | enveezee | gettingdebian: well for us to help you we need specific info.. at the very least the vend/prod ids of the two pieces of hardware that arent working |
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| 21:39.09 | FRO5T | if you can manage to update and upgdare your distro it could save you hours from seeking all information which you will need |
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| 21:39.49 | FRO5T | I have ralink 2870 antenna and after performing apt-get upgrade it's drivers became installed in the sqeezy and I just plug it after that |
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| 21:41.12 | enveezee | if he tells me the vend/prod id codes which is like a total of 16 chars.. I can narrow it down real fast.. heh |
| 21:41.37 | enveezee | its the [12ab:cd34] code in lspci -nn |
| 21:41.53 | FRO5T | the chipset is important here ;] |
| 21:41.57 | gettingdebian | do you suggest i make a wired connection and apt-get upgrade? does it have a chance for helping. also @enveezee i have Ralink Device 3290. that's what I get from most commands :/ don't know if it's helpful |
| 21:42.04 | FRO5T | exactly |
| 21:42.26 | enveezee | gettingdebian: I |
| 21:42.44 | enveezee | gettingdebian: I'd prefer the vend/prod id codes.. I dont know ralink's prod code off the top of my head |
| 21:42.53 | gettingdebian | yeah one sec |
| 21:43.39 | gettingdebian | 1814:3290 |
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| 21:46.18 | FRO5T | gettingdebian: https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-nettool/+question/202082 - scroll down to the last post #12 |
| 21:46.25 | jhutchins | ,pciid 1814:3290 |
| 21:46.26 | judd | [1814:3290] is 'RT3290 Wireless 802.11n 1T/1R PCIe' from 'Ralink corp.' with no known kernel module in squeeze or in sid. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=1814:3290 |
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| 21:47.13 | jhutchins | Way to go Realtek! |
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| 21:47.40 | blubberdiblub | that's ralink, tho |
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| 21:48.35 | enveezee | gettingdebian: your best bet is probably NDISWRAPPER if there is no driver.. it attempts to use the windows driver |
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| 21:49.12 | gettingdebian | alright thanks everyone il updated soon if one of the suggested solutions works out |
| 21:49.16 | enveezee | gettingdebian: either that or swap the card as they are usually minipci cards inside, or get a USB one of some kind that is supported in linux |
| 21:49.30 | FRO5T | gettingdebian, https://blog.deimos.fr/2012/11/17/ubuntu-12-11-wifi-ralink-rt-3290/ |
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| 21:50.14 | enveezee | personally what makes me mad is they keep getting smaller.. my netbook has a good atheros minipci card but all these f'n machines with broacom cards.. they're so tiny you cannot get that atheros to fit cause its 3 times as long.. connector is same just longer card |
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| 21:50.49 | enveezee | they always put the damn minipci so close to the edge in these machines like they were laughing in the design room knowing I can't put this atheros in there |
| 21:50.50 | FRO5T | broadcom are fine but atheros aren't |
| 21:50.58 | enveezee | WHAT? |
| 21:51.02 | enveezee | are you out of your mind? |
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| 21:51.21 | FRO5T | i got 3 atheros antennas and none of the isn't able to work on linux |
| 21:51.28 | tobb_ | can anyone help me with grub+dm-crypt, after upgrade on unstable today I get unable to find lvm volume so I'm unable to boot? (mounted it on other computer and worked) |
| 21:51.36 | enveezee | broadcom usually cannot even go into promiscuous mode.. and the support they implemented in their shitty binary driver is a joke.. its like just a proof of concept it doesnt actually work |
| 21:51.45 | FRO5T | had 2 broadcom antennas and they was kinda plug and play |
| 21:51.47 | enveezee | atheros on the other hand natively do whatever you tell them to with open drivers |
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| 21:52.31 | FRO5T | try some tp-link antenna and come to speak again ;D |
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| 21:53.16 | enveezee | I live in the northeastern us and I've only once in my life seen a tp-link device and it was something they gave me free, a tp-link wifi router when I bought this secretary a new computer..at bestbuy |
| 21:53.22 | enveezee | I hear about them, but I never see em |
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| 21:53.40 | enveezee | well maybe it was compusa when they went out of business |
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| 21:54.33 | FRO5T | you don't need to have devices from them or from hornettek |
| 21:55.12 | enveezee | I personally like hawking tech devices if you're talking usb stuff. they got usb dishes and stuff that usually have atheros rebranded as zydas and they work well |
| 21:55.33 | enveezee | I've used them for extremely long range wifi.. |
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| 21:55.38 | Aut0Exec | is wheezy stable? |
| 21:55.42 | Aut0Exec | please answer this ^ |
| 21:55.47 | enveezee | not yet, but we're working on it |
| 21:55.57 | FRO5T | it's 11:55pm going in the bed, see you later guys |
| 21:55.58 | Aut0Exec | ok |
| 21:55.59 | enveezee | well people are working on it.. I'm not.. heh |
| 21:56.06 | Aut0Exec | and i can only install gnome3 in wheezy right |
| 21:56.07 | Aut0Exec | ? |
| 21:56.15 | Armand | It's less stable than Tesco's burgers.. |
| 21:56.32 | Aut0Exec | is gnome3 in debian6? |
| 21:56.45 | Aut0Exec | aka squeeze |
| 21:56.59 | enveezee | Aut0Exec: gnome3 is in wheezy.. and wheezy is frozen and undergoing full debygging right now.. you can track progress on the release-critical bugs page |
| 21:57.08 | enveezee | !release-critical |
| 21:57.09 | dpkg | Release-Critical bugs are Debian bugs with critical, grave or serious severities, preventing the next release of Debian. See the graph at http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/ or the lists at http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/other/all.html http://udd.debian.org/bugs.cgi?release=squeeze&patch=ign&pending=ign&merged=ign&done=ign&rc=1 . See also <rc-alert>. |
| 21:57.28 | Aut0Exec | omfg |
| 21:57.46 | enveezee | I'd say its probably safe for most people to use until its release later this year |
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| 21:58.15 | enveezee | if you really wanna use that newer crap.. which I personally will avoid like the plague |
| 21:58.47 | enveezee | gnome 3 is horrible.. maybe a few years from now it'll catch up to gnome 2 :-P |
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| 22:16.33 | elkingrey | I'm interested in installing debian, but I want FDE. Does the standard install offer this? Is there an alternate install? Or does Debian not offer FDE at all? |
| 22:17.08 | zykotick9 | elkingrey: and what is FDE? |
| 22:17.59 | ompaul | fedora desktop environment ... just a guess ;-) |
| 22:18.06 | elkingrey | Full disk encryption |
| 22:18.37 | ompaul | ahh TLAs they will make everything we don't do impossible to work out |
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| 22:21.51 | ompaul | elkingrey: not something I do because I don't value anything on portables and the other boxes I have well if you want my data that badly you have few wants (lots of linux how tos) http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/469 |
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| 22:24.16 | ompaul | elkingrey: also iirc you can start your install and encrypt everything from that moment on |
| 22:25.03 | ompaul | elkingrey: however I'd be inclined to set up a 5gig partition and do a couple of test installs to get used to it |
| 22:25.21 | ompaul | the 5gigs is for a vm (as that may not have been obvious) |
| 22:26.05 | jelly-home | elkingrey: I'm using Debian with almost-FDE, couldn't bother to put /boot on a secure usb stick. |
| 22:26.21 | sfan5 | i'm trying to update from squeeze to wheezy, but when i run "apt-get dist-upgrade" it says: E: Could not perform immediate configuration on 'openjdk-6-jre'. |
| 22:26.35 | jelly-home | but no idea how the installer does it, or how optimal that setup is |
| 22:27.08 | zykotick9 | !tell sfan5 about immediate configuration |
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| 22:27.45 | elkingrey | Another thing. I've had problems installing Linux Mint and Ubuntu in the past with a USB because of an ongoing bug they have. Does Debian also suffer from this bug? |
| 22:28.56 | jelly-home | elkingrey: could you try to describe the symptoms of said bug? |
| 22:29.26 | jelly-home | elkingrey: or reference bug reports? |
| 22:29.30 | sfan5 | i guess java isn't an essential package |
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| 22:30.49 | jhutchins | elkingrey: I'm not aware of any common bugs in the instller. |
| 22:30.59 | jhutchins | elkingrey: The stable installer at least. |
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| 22:31.33 | elkingrey | Why do you guys use Debian instead of Ubuntu or Mint? |
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| 22:33.01 | floogy | elkingrey, because of the process of quality management? |
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| 22:33.18 | LtL | elkingrey: why is ubuntu and mint "based" on debian. sorry to answer a question with a question. |
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| 22:34.48 | LtL | my guess is Debian is a good didtro to emulate, so why not use the real thing. just my opinion. |
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| 22:34.56 | LtL | distro* |
| 22:35.02 | buscon | hi |
| 22:35.14 | buscon | I'd like to run just a program on the command line |
| 22:35.27 | buscon | and block the possibility to close that program for that user |
| 22:35.37 | cardamon | LtL: Don't be sorry. It's a Troll voice and a Troll joke. |
| 22:35.41 | cardamon | The Chatsubo was a bar for professional expatriates; you could drink there for a week and never hear two words in Japanese. |
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| 22:36.56 | cardamon | buscon: Then you run it as root and pull them out of sudoers. Also don't put loggers on other people's machines, don't dessiminate malware, talk to your kids about porn, and if you think she's cheating on you, she probably is, so move on. |
| 22:37.06 | floogy | elkingrey, for the desktop I'm actually using ubuntu, due to actuallity and lamely. |
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| 22:37.45 | floogy | It's somewhat more convenient. |
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| 22:37.53 | buscon | cardamon: ok, don't worry, it's just for an art project :) |
| 22:37.54 | new[] | what's the difference between the gcc-mingw32 package and the mingw32 package on debian? They conflict so only one can be installed.... |
| 22:38.32 | buscon | cardamon: i want to run a chat and prevent that that user can close the chat |
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| 22:45.07 | jhutchins | LtL: Debian doesn't usually have bleeding edge versions of software and can miss out on features. For instance, in stable Calibre (ebook utility) can't fetch books, the latest version of it can. |
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| 22:46.10 | jhutchins | LtL: Some people are insecure about the size of their package's version numbers and have to have the biggest ones, so they "improve" Debain. |
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| 22:49.15 | LtL | jhutchins: that's true, and despite my personal SNS issues, I prefer Debian with an occasional backport . :-) |
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| 22:50.55 | jelly-home | cardamon: is that quote from neuromancer, or some short story instead |
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| 22:51.47 | cardamon | jelly-home: Neuromancer. First page. |
| 22:53.09 | cardamon | dpkg: SNS |
| 22:53.09 | dpkg | Shiny New Shit Syndrome is a serious disorder, which usually breaks out into an epidemic every time something new is released. If you have SNS, ask me about <backports> and <ssb>; these are better options than upgrading to <testing> because it is a <moving target>. |
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| 23:05.43 | Zitter | hi, a tutorial to isntall debian on raspberry? I'm asking because I know there are two isntallable versions, but I would like to install the "official" one |
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| 23:07.55 | Tramp | dpkg: armel vs armhf |
| 23:07.55 | dpkg | Debian supports two different architectures of ARM processor: <armel> supports processes like the Sheeva/Guru/DreamPlug and Raspberry Pi, while <armhf> supports newer chips. See /proc/cpuinfo for the exact details of your hardware. If «readelf -A /path/to/binary | grep Tag_ABI_VFP» returns anything, then the binary is for armhf, not armel. |
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| 23:14.32 | tuvwx | is there a firewall reporting tool that will plot accepted/rejected/dropped connections? |
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| 23:16.19 | jhutchins | tuvwx: What firewall? |
| 23:17.51 | tuvwx | jhutchins: i use shorewall, but it shouldn't matter, should it? |
| 23:18.12 | tuvwx | the tool could query the kernel directly |
| 23:18.55 | jhutchins | tuvwx: Yeah, it matters a lot. If you're running a linksys there's not much available. |
| 23:19.18 | jhutchins | tuvwx: shorewall is a configuration tool for iptables, so you have excellent reporting options. |
| 23:19.34 | jhutchins | tuvwx: You need to add logging options, then use something to pull a report from the log. |
| 23:19.48 | tuvwx | jhutchins: well, i'm in #debian, aren't i? |
| 23:20.10 | jhutchins | Yeah, but my firewall's on my router where it belongs. |
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| 23:20.30 | tuvwx | jhutchins: this is on a server in the wild |
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| 23:21.48 | tuvwx | jhutchins: actually shorewall has an 'accounting' feature, but i'm looking for a shortcut to graphs, if one exists |
| 23:22.38 | xsappyx | tuvwx: collectd has an iptables plugin https://collectd.org/wiki/index.php/Plugin:IPTables might be good cacti templates out there too |
| 23:22.52 | jhutchins | tuvwx: One of the webalizer clones does a good job of analysing iptables logs. |
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| 23:27.41 | agorf | hello. on a new debian install i get weird errors while trying to install several packages. for example vim-nox installation says that it depends on libperl which is not going to be installed for some reason. any ideas? |
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| 23:28.13 | jordanm | agorf, pastebin the the full command, output, and the output of apt-cache policy |
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| 23:33.27 | agorf | jordanm: that's going to be a challenge. trying to set up ssh |
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| 23:35.17 | agorf | jordanm: http://pastebin.com/vF8aYwS6 |
| 23:35.56 | agorf | jordanm: http://pastebin.com/4mJbd02G |
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| 23:38.56 | jordanm | ,versions libperl5.14 |
| 23:38.57 | judd | Package: libperl5.14 on i386 -- sid: 5.14.2-16; wheezy: 5.14.2-16 |
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| 23:39.42 | jordanm | agorf, what installer did you use? Did you install squeeze, then upgrade? |
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| 23:40.40 | agorf | jordanm: i used the netinst installed. wheezy beta4 i think. i did not select any packages to be installed in the ncurses wizard (ssh server, dns server, base system) not sure if it's related. |
| 23:41.02 | agorf | jordanm: right after installing i performed update && upgrade but nothing needed an update which i found odd |
| 23:41.18 | agorf | s/installed/installer/ |
| 23:41.37 | tuvwx | how do i count iptables dropped connections in the CLI? |
| 23:41.42 | xsappyx | agorf: if you were connected to the net during the install, you pulled the latest packages |
| 23:41.49 | agorf | xsappyx: ah that makes sense |
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| 23:43.14 | agorf | jordanm: not sure if it helps, here's what i get with apt-get install perl-base: perl : Depends: perl-base (= 5.14.2-16) but 5.16.2-2 is to be installed |
| 23:43.42 | agorf | jordanm: and i'm not able to update/upgrade/remove perl-base |
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| 23:46.18 | xsappyx | agorf: could you try apt-get install -s vim-nox libperl5.14 ? |
| 23:46.38 | floogy | agorf, try dpkg -i -D -163 <pagagename> , try pakagename and path from /var/cache/apt |
| 23:46.45 | agorf | xsappyx: same error |
| 23:47.21 | jordanm | agorf, aptitude install -f |
| 23:47.30 | agorf | jordanm: i tried this, does nothing :\ |
| 23:47.35 | floogy | pastebin at bpaste http://bpaste.net/ |
| 23:47.39 | jordanm | agorf, it sounds like the installer left packages in a bad state |
| 23:47.46 | jordanm | that's what beta is for I guess |
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| 23:48.39 | agorf | floogy: what should <packagename> be? |
| 23:49.10 | agorf | jordanm: i'll redo the installation with the normal image then. only reason i did was because it was recommended on the official debian website |
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| 23:49.39 | jordanm | agorf, if your interest in not in assisting with testing, usually upgrading for stable is the best route |
| 23:49.45 | jordanm | from |
| 23:50.00 | agorf | jordanm: you mean installing stable first and then moving to staging? |
| 23:50.25 | floogy | agorf, the full pathname to the atp cache packagefile |
| 23:50.44 | floogy | s/atp/apt/ |
| 23:51.14 | agorf | floogy: /var/cache/apt/pkgcache.bin ? |
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| 23:52.05 | floogy | find /var/cache/apt -name perl-base |
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| 23:52.14 | agorf | floogy: doesn't exist |
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| 23:53.40 | Hans_Henrik | any idea if $(apt-get remove apache2) will try to remove /var/www ? |
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| 23:54.15 | Hans_Henrik | (i want to try nginx, but i dont want to delete the stuff in /var/www |
| 23:54.16 | floogy | sudo apt-get --download-only <packetname> |
| 23:54.56 | xsappyx | Hans_Henrik: just install nginx instead? they can both be on your machine (only 1 running on port 80 at any time though) |
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| 23:55.54 | Hans_Henrik | cp -r www www-backup << should make a full copy, right? |
| 23:56.19 | Towzzer | -a |
| 23:56.27 | floogy | or -av |
| 23:57.00 | floogy | If that's a lot of data prefere -a |
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| 23:57.35 | agorf | jordanm, floogy, xsappyx: i'll reinstall stable, thanks for your time |
| 23:57.39 | Cyclohexane | How do I debug no dns working? e.g. host google.com says unable to connect, ping says same thing but ping 8.8.8.8 (google) works |
| 23:57.52 | Towzzer | cat /etc/resolv.conf |
| 23:57.57 | Cyclohexane | it doesn't exist |
| 23:58.09 | Towzzer | echo 'nameserver 8.8.8.8 |
| 23:58.19 | Towzzer | echo 'nameserver 8.8.8.8' > /etc/resolv.conf |
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| 23:58.39 | Towzzer | try now |
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| 23:59.29 | sttau | HandheldPenguin`: it will not, unless you prune it. |
| 23:59.33 | floogy | dig google.com |
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| 23:59.44 | Towzzer | Cycloh what happend |
| 23:59.51 | Towzzer | sorry i'm typing poorly, I'm doing something else |