| 00:00.12 | sttau | Hans_Henrik: warning, that's merely my theoretical understanding. I've never actually removed apache from my machine |
| 00:00.14 | Hans_Henrik | i want to delete a.. "symlink"/"directory junction" or whatever its called.. how can i do that? ( /var/www/torrentdownloads links to /var/lib/transmission-daemon/info/torrents/ ) |
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| 00:01.09 | agorf | Hans_Henrik: rm |
| 00:01.44 | Hans_Henrik | phew |
| 00:02.07 | floogy | Hans_Henrik, make use of globs |
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| 00:03.21 | floogy | rm s*lnk/*dir*junk* e.g. |
| 00:04.03 | floogy | or paste the error here |
| 00:04.40 | floogy | or in http://bpaste.net/ or so |
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| 00:06.25 | floogy | be careful, though |
| 00:07.02 | floogy | don't do rm -rf /* ;) |
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| 00:14.26 | coreyb | hello. |
| 00:14.30 | coreyb | hello team debian |
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| 00:52.29 | jelly-home | there WILL BE intrusion attempts |
| 00:52.33 | Towzzer | slaps freenode'jelly-home around a bit with a large trout |
| 00:52.48 | jelly-home | tuvwx: also, timezones |
| 00:53.44 | tuvwx | jelly-home: my best guess is they are old entries before the timezone was set |
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| 00:57.13 | boboysdadda | evening all just did a debian net install and i'm having trouble getting my card reader working in my hp mini 110. anyone have any ideas? |
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| 01:06.52 | t7 | how do i let apache write to /etc/myfolder ? |
| 01:06.56 | t7 | well php |
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| 01:08.03 | MadRush | can anyone help me with pulseaudio? |
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| 01:09.50 | MadRush | ah is anyone awake? |
| 01:10.08 | jelly-home | zzzzzZz |
| 01:10.18 | PerfDave | I'm running a wheezy system, running bash in a konsole xterm window. When I run "su" I get http://paste.debian.net/226254/ - any idea why? |
| 01:10.19 | dvs | snore |
| 01:10.27 | MadRush | heh. i went to #pulseaudio and ... nobody says anything. ever |
| 01:10.40 | MadRush | i thought maybe id try my luck here |
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| 01:12.16 | jelly-home | PerfDave: what does tty command in that bash and that root shell say? |
| 01:12.56 | jelly-home | PerfDave: does "su -" instead act any different |
| 01:13.08 | themill | PerfDave: do you have /dev/pts mounted? |
| 01:13.30 | LV-426 | t7, chgrp www-data /etc/myfolder; chmod g+w /etc/myfolder - that being said I'm not sure allowing apache write there is a good idea. |
| 01:13.40 | PerfDave | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=659878 seems related actually, but no idea how to fix |
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| 01:14.42 | jelly-home | I love jidanni "just a stupid user" reports |
| 01:14.52 | PerfDave | jelly-home, themill: http://paste.debian.net/226256/ has your answers |
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| 01:24.10 | jelly-home | trying to read #628843 which might have introduced the bug but is in way over his head |
| 01:24.27 | jelly-home | also, su worksforme on wheezy |
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| 01:25.38 | jelly-home | PerfDave: using an actual xterm does not make a difference, does it? |
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| 01:27.10 | jelly-home | sorry, I can reproduce it with su - -c /bin/bash |
| 01:28.19 | PerfDave | jelly-home: I get the same behaviour in xterm and konsole |
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| 01:32.05 | jelly-home | http://paste.debian.net/226258/ # from su - -c 'strace -e\!time,rt_sigaction,rt_sigprocmask,brk -f /bin/bash' |
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| 01:36.43 | jelly-home | so tcgetattr() and tcsetattr() fail |
| 01:37.15 | PerfDave | jelly-home: *nods* I think I am actually too drunk to deal with this right now. I am literally going to sleep this one off and see how it fares in the morning :/ |
| 01:37.51 | jelly-home | sounds great, I'm too tired to think and I know zip about termios anyway |
| 01:38.17 | PerfDave | Night! |
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| 01:43.40 | alex61 | hello every one can someone is able to help me about activate the wifi on a dell latitude d620 |
| 01:44.41 | dvs | maybe |
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| 01:45.46 | alex61 | the internet is working fine with ethenet but the wifi dont seem to recognize the broadcom card |
| 01:46.06 | dvs | alex61: lspci -nn | grep -i net |
| 01:46.07 | DrakkenWarr | http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1915928 |
| 01:46.16 | tharkun | Where is the kdmrc file located under debian? |
| 01:46.16 | DrakkenWarr | it is ubuntu, but looks like a fix that will work for ya |
| 01:46.41 | dvs | oh gawd |
| 01:46.43 | alex61 | thank you i will look at it |
| 01:46.58 | dvs | alex61: http://wiki.debian.org/wl |
| 01:47.07 | DrakkenWarr | no worries alex61. Let me know if it does not work. Broadcom can be a real pia |
| 01:47.30 | DrakkenWarr | nice dvs :) Should work better that way |
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| 02:03.56 | esmth | hello |
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| 02:04.24 | esmth | I need help :( |
| 02:05.16 | esmth | ah |
| 02:05.35 | DrakkenWarr | ask your question esmth. if someone can help we/they will |
| 02:06.08 | esmth | okey 1 sec |
| 02:06.58 | alex61 | I dont know why but the answer you give me about the broadcom wifi have not work, Broadcom Corporation BCM4311 802.11b/g WLAN |
| 02:07.18 | esmth | b43 fwcutter |
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| 02:07.47 | LtL | alex61: we need the output of that line, the pci id |
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| 02:09.10 | LtL | alex61: lspci -nn pastebin that |
| 02:09.38 | esmth | i cannot install the latest kernel, (3.2), because it requires so many dependencies |
| 02:09.56 | esmth | And i need 3.2 to get my internet to work |
| 02:10.05 | dvs | !bpo kernel |
| 02:10.05 | dpkg | Newer kernels for Debian stable releases are at backports.debian.org. Ask me about <bdo> to modify your sources.list, then run «aptitude update». To install the current bdo kernel «aptitude -t squeeze-backports install linux-image-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'`». To list available backported kernel image packages: «aptitude search '?narrow(~nlinux-image,?origin(Debian Backports))'». |
| 02:10.45 | esmth | But i have no internet on the machine. I need kernel 3.2 to get internet |
| 02:11.08 | alex61 | I'm not sure how to do that.. |
| 02:11.26 | Arrowmaster | flash drive |
| 02:11.31 | esmth | I'v einstalled Debian on many machines, bu just this one is very tricky. |
| 02:11.49 | esmth | Im trying the flash drive |
| 02:11.52 | esmth | But |
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| 02:12.20 | esmth | the kernel needs like hundreds of dependencies that i have to manually find and download |
| 02:12.28 | esmth | To the flashdrive |
| 02:12.32 | Arrowmaster | it shouldnt |
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| 02:12.44 | LtL | alex61: we're looking for a number that looks like this [8086:108b] for the ethernet broadcom device |
| 02:13.38 | esmth | http://packages.debian.org/sid/linux-image-3.2.0-4-686-pae This is what I'm trying to install |
| 02:13.43 | LtL | alex61: lspci -nn will show that. |
| 02:14.36 | Arrowmaster | esmth: on squeeze? |
| 02:15.34 | dvs | esmth: http://packages.debian.org/squeeze-backports/linux-image-3.2.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae |
| 02:15.38 | esmth | I'm running squeeze right now, but once i get internet to work, im going to sid/wheezy |
| 02:15.53 | esmth | Ill try this |
| 02:15.57 | alex61 | I think it is this one [14e4:4311] |
| 02:16.12 | LtL | , pciid 14e4:4311 |
| 02:16.13 | judd | [14e4:4311] is 'BCM4311 802.11b/g WLAN' from 'Broadcom Corporation' with kernel module 'ssb' in squeeze. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=14e4:4311 http://wiki.debian.org/wl and the out-of-tree 'wl' module. |
| 02:16.25 | Arrowmaster | esmth: you should use http://packages.debian.org/sid/linux-image-3.2.0-4-686-pae and then youll only need http://packages.debian.org/squeeze-backports/initramfs-tools and http://packages.debian.org/squeeze-backports/linux-base |
| 02:16.40 | esmth | OKey |
| 02:17.31 | esmth | mounting USB |
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| 02:18.22 | LtL | alex61: i would think the b43-fwcutter package would work, but not according to the id database. try `modprobe ssb` as root if you're on squeeze |
| 02:18.29 | esmth | unpacking... |
| 02:18.53 | esmth | b43-fwcutter works for my on my Macbook |
| 02:19.01 | Arrowmaster | unpacking? just install the .debs with dpkg -i |
| 02:19.20 | esmth | I did that and it says unpacking (slow cpu) |
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| 02:19.29 | Arrowmaster | oh |
| 02:19.44 | dvs | gee |
| 02:20.10 | esmth | some 1.2ghz AMD if i remeber correctly |
| 02:20.20 | Arrowmaster | reminds me that i should put a working harddrive in this case at my feet, would be funny to run debian on my 166mhz p1 again |
| 02:20.34 | esmth | haha |
| 02:21.24 | esmth | aaaaaaaaaand this needs like hundreds of dependencies. |
| 02:21.35 | esmth | i may have done the installation wrong |
| 02:22.13 | DrakkenWarr | 1.7ghz Pentium(M). Runs just fine here |
| 02:22.18 | dvs | Arrowmaster: you specified the wrong kernel package |
| 02:22.31 | Arrowmaster | i did |
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| 02:22.45 | Arrowmaster | wrong tab |
| 02:23.07 | esmth | my 1.2ghz amd is slow then lol |
| 02:23.52 | DrakkenWarr | must be, running testing, LXDE and a bit of openbox and everything is snappy with a 5400 rpm drive and 1 gig of ram |
| 02:24.25 | esmth | "errors were encountered while processing: linux-image3.2.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae |
| 02:24.28 | esmth | " |
| 02:24.49 | esmth | So ill try a reinstall with a sid image i guess. |
| 02:25.04 | DrakkenWarr | you might need non-pae as well |
| 02:25.17 | Arrowmaster | shouldnt |
| 02:25.18 | esmth | I've tried both pae and non pae |
| 02:25.41 | esmth | pae /shoulden't/ effect what is going on with me, though |
| 02:25.46 | DrakkenWarr | true, should not have a ram issue. Good catch Arrowmaster |
| 02:26.01 | DrakkenWarr | agreed, that is what I get for doing to much at once ;) |
| 02:26.41 | esmth | i'm new to IRC, but why are there so many people connected, but barely anyone talking? |
| 02:27.00 | Arrowmaster | they are 'idling' |
| 02:27.01 | DrakkenWarr | it's pretty normal depending on the time of day |
| 02:27.12 | esmth | ah. okey |
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| 02:27.22 | Arrowmaster | their client is connected but they might not be at the computer or on the computer doing something else |
| 02:27.32 | esmth | I see |
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| 02:28.31 | joejoe | I made the partitions on my drive and have 2 errors and not sure how to fix them. "sda1 and 2... part 1 does not end on cylinder boundary & part 2 does not start on physical sector boundary." |
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| 02:29.01 | esmth | How much different is the default GNOME than the XFCE image? |
| 02:29.15 | esmth | on Wheezy |
| 02:29.22 | Arrowmaster | im in many different irc channels and doing some other stuff so i just poke my around and check all the channels every so often to see whats going on and jump in if i decide to, but if you say my name ill come running |
| 02:29.23 | DrakkenWarr | gnome 2.2 and XFCE? Not much really |
| 02:29.34 | Arrowmaster | wheezy is gnome3 though |
| 02:29.44 | DrakkenWarr | same same as Arrowmaster |
| 02:29.51 | esmth | I know that much ahhaa |
| 02:30.03 | DrakkenWarr | is it? Have not used either in way too damn long then :) |
| 02:30.39 | Arrowmaster | ive tried xfce but im too used to the polish of gnome, right now im using Cinnamon from Sid |
| 02:30.59 | esmth | Where are the Sid or Wheezy cd images on debian.org ? I can't seem to find them. |
| 02:31.00 | DrakkenWarr | I tried Cinnamon and Mate. I just couldn't do either one. |
| 02:31.13 | DrakkenWarr | Openbox with a bit of LXDE and I am good to go |
| 02:31.23 | Arrowmaster | http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 02:31.31 | Arrowmaster | there is no sid cd images |
| 02:31.44 | esmth | Oh thanks! |
| 02:31.57 | esmth | I use LXDE on my Raspberry Pi |
| 02:32.05 | DrakkenWarr | you would have to look at siduction or linuxbbq if you want to muck with sid. At least those are the ones I know of |
| 02:32.06 | Arrowmaster | but its simple to switch from wheezy to sid, personally i run a Wheezy/Sid mix |
| 02:32.10 | esmth | I like how simple it is ahaha |
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| 02:32.25 | esmth | I mostly use wheezy |
| 02:32.32 | DrakkenWarr | I use LXPanel and a few other goodies to make OpenBox slick and fast |
| 02:32.50 | DrakkenWarr | all sid here which has worked out just fine for the most part |
| 02:33.48 | esmth | Awe no bittorrent on that page luckily the DL is fast ahaha |
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| 02:34.32 | joejoe | is there something I could use to align a drive partion on the hard disk so it doesn't give an error? |
| 02:34.41 | esmth | 3.5MB/s thats pretty fast |
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| 03:09.47 | Hans_Henrik | ah wtf |
| 03:10.02 | Hans_Henrik | i give this command: apt-get remove --purge apache2 apache2-mpm-prefork apache2-utils apache2.2-bin apache2.2-common libapache2-mod-dnssd libapache2-mod-php5 |
| 03:10.08 | Hans_Henrik | and aptitude says |
| 03:10.15 | Hans_Henrik | <PROTECTED> |
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| 03:10.39 | Hans_Henrik | how the fuck did gnome* and gnome-desktop-enviornment* gnome-user-share* get on the list? |
| 03:11.37 | engla | gnome-user-share |
| 03:11.40 | engla | looks suspicious |
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| 03:14.39 | Hans_Henrik | libapache2-mod-dnssd is causing it |
| 03:14.50 | jelly-home | Hans_Henrik: was it apt-get or aptitude? |
| 03:15.01 | Hans_Henrik | apt-get |
| 03:15.36 | Hans_Henrik | anyway, "apt-get remove libapache2-mod-dnssd" << now it thinkts i want to remvoe gnome* gnome-desktop-environment* gnome-user-share* |
| 03:15.38 | jelly-home | apt-get would not have tried to remove unrelated packages; aptitude would have, if they were marked for removal (or as unneeded) earlier |
| 03:15.58 | jelly-home | !bat |
| 03:15.58 | dpkg | In order for us to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, aptitude or dselect we need the following information: The complete output of your apt-get/aptitude/dselect run (including the command you used); the output from apt-cache policy PKG1 PKG2...; for the relevant packages and "apt-cache policy". Use http://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>. |
| 03:16.50 | Hans_Henrik | http://paste.debian.net/226277/ |
| 03:16.52 | Hans_Henrik | wups |
| 03:17.02 | Hans_Henrik | that was the output of apt-get remove libapache2-mod-php5 | pastebinit |
| 03:17.28 | Hans_Henrik | ah, wrong package x.x sorry |
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| 03:18.08 | Hans_Henrik | apt-get remove libapache2-mod-dnssd | pastebinit <<gives http://paste.debian.net/226278/ |
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| 03:19.34 | jelly-home | Hans_Henrik: do you want to keep "gnome"? |
| 03:19.42 | Hans_Henrik | yes |
| 03:19.43 | jelly-home | Hans_Henrik: aptitude unmarkauto gnome |
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| 03:20.31 | Hans_Henrik | it had no (major, at least), effect |
| 03:20.37 | Hans_Henrik | still wants me to remove gnome |
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| 03:21.13 | Hans_Henrik | this is after running "aptitude unmarkauto gnome": http://paste.debian.net/226279/ |
| 03:21.38 | jelly-home | Hans_Henrik: weird. What does "apt-get install gnome" do? |
| 03:22.11 | Hans_Henrik | apt-get install gnome | pastebinit <<gives: http://paste.debian.net/226280/ |
| 03:23.45 | jelly-home | alright, and does it make any difference in the initial command results |
| 03:24.13 | Hans_Henrik | not that i can see |
| 03:24.33 | Hans_Henrik | still the same (unless the difference is so subtile that i missed it with my eyes.. doubt it) |
| 03:24.48 | chudley_cannon | this is driving me crazy... trying to run ./configure to build something from scratch and am getting "zlib not found please install it or specify the location"... where do I get this? I don't see it in the repos. |
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| 03:25.23 | chudley_cannon | this error is occurring when looking for zlib.h |
| 03:25.54 | Hans_Henrik | chudley_cannon: guess something here can help you https://www.google.com/search?q=zlib-dev |
| 03:25.58 | Hans_Henrik | ah wrong |
| 03:26.05 | jelly-home | zlib1g-dev |
| 03:26.26 | Hans_Henrik | (i meant http://www.google.com/search?q=zlib-dev%20debian but w/e) |
| 03:26.44 | jelly-home | chudley_cannon: "something"? |
| 03:26.49 | chudley_cannon | it is not in zlib2g (or I have that installed already, anyway) |
| 03:27.00 | chudley_cannon | jelly: fossil-scm |
| 03:27.16 | dvs | chudley_cannon: zlib2g-dev |
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| 03:27.35 | jelly-home | ,i fossil |
| 03:27.36 | judd | Package fossil (vcs, optional) in squeeze/i386: DSCM with built-in wiki, http interface and server, tickets database. Version: 2010.08.05.100943-1; Size: 221.6k; Installed: 556k; Homepage: http://fossil-scm.org; Screenshot: http://screenshots.debian.net/package/fossil |
| 03:27.41 | jelly-home | chudley_cannon: that thing? |
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| 03:27.53 | jelly-home | ,v fossil |
| 03:27.54 | judd | Package: fossil on i386 -- squeeze: 2010.08.05.100943-1; wheezy: 1:1.22.1+dfsg-0.1; wheezy-proposed-updates: 1:1.22.1+dfsg-0.1; sid: 1:1.24+dfsg-0.1 |
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| 03:28.54 | jelly-home | dvs: I mean, the dev package for zlib has been called zlib1g-dev for a decade now |
| 03:29.17 | chudley_cannon | yes, that fossil thing. I don't want a repo version, though. |
| 03:29.35 | jelly-home | chudley_cannon: would you be amenable with the version from sid? |
| 03:30.05 | jelly-home | dpkg, tell chudley_cannon about deb-src |
| 03:30.09 | jelly-home | dpkg, tell chudley_cannon about ssb |
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| 03:30.12 | chudley_cannon | wow - must be late... I don't have zlib1g-dev installed... derp |
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| 03:30.28 | Hans_Henrik | did someone teach dpkg SQL? |
| 03:30.49 | jelly-home | nope |
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| 03:31.14 | Hans_Henrik | dpkg, tell hans_henrik about deb-src |
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| 03:31.31 | chudley_cannon | most frustratign has been the brutally unhelpful messages on ELF mismatch... then ldd failures to tell anything interesting |
| 03:31.32 | jelly-home | Hans_Henrik: I don't have any idea about your apt right now. Also, use "/msg dpkg something" instead |
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| 03:32.00 | jelly-home | ,checkbackport fossil |
| 03:32.01 | judd | Backporting package fossil in sid→squeeze/i386: all build-dependencies satisfied using squeeze, squeeze-backports. |
| 03:32.30 | jelly-home | chudley_cannon: theoretically, the ssb procedure might work for you |
| 03:32.46 | chudley_cannon | ssb? |
| 03:32.53 | chudley_cannon | nm |
| 03:32.57 | jelly-home | chudley_cannon: read what dpkg thebot told you in private |
| 03:33.15 | Hans_Henrik | jelly-home: oh well, thanks for your time, ill go back to google now |
| 03:33.58 | chudley_cannon | ah - didn't see the private thing. thx. It is one small binary so I'll be happy once ./configure; make works |
| 03:34.32 | jelly-home | chudley_cannon: then just enable deb-src for squeeze and do an "apt-get build-dep fossil" |
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| 03:35.01 | jelly-home | that will install all the -dev packages that debian used for building it from source |
| 03:35.08 | woshty | is there a timeout for initscripts on shutdown, or can a script run as long as it wants? |
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| 03:35.23 | jelly-home | chudley_cannon: so you don't have to peck one -dev package by one |
| 03:35.37 | chudley_cannon | jelly-home: I'm on wheezy... and I did not know about that build-dep thing. that was perfect!! |
| 03:36.01 | chudley_cannon | saved me a few more steps... was going one by one. I'll have to remember that one!!! |
| 03:36.29 | chudley_cannon | jelly-home: wow awesome. thx again for that build-dep tip! |
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| 03:38.04 | jelly-home | np, cheers |
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| 03:39.08 | chudley_cannon | "apt-get build-dep fossil; ./configure; make" == perfect!!!!!! fossil runs perfectly now. I can't believe I didn't know that one. woohoo! |
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| 03:40.04 | coolguy4 | I have a laptop running Wheezy, and when I do sudo iwconfig, it completely freezes. I was wondering how to debug something like this. |
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| 03:40.26 | rozz2 | I'm trying to find a file with the word python in its name. How can I use locate to find these files in my current directory? |
| 03:40.32 | rozz2 | I tried locate python | grep 'CCP', but it doesn't reveal anything. |
| 03:40.49 | rozz2 | I know for a fact that a file named python27.dll (one of the files I am looking for) is in the directory. |
| 03:41.10 | chudley_cannon | rozz2: use find instead |
| 03:41.16 | coolguy4 | rozz2: find -type f -name "*python*" |
| 03:41.27 | microcode | Anyone know why certain packages are pulling in absurd dependencies on my system? For example, when I try to install edbrowse it wants to install fonts, fontconfig, cairo, cursor libraries |
| 03:42.03 | microcode | when really the only dependencies are supposed to be spidermonkey, curl, and pcre |
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| 03:42.20 | microcode | oh, and openssl |
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| 03:44.59 | rozz2 | Thanks. |
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| 03:50.31 | rozz2 | I'm also looking for a directory in my wine folder. It is "c:\depot\". I can't find it. It is as if it doesn't exist. How can I be for sure? I'm gone to the virtual c drive and done ls -a and it isn't there. |
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| 04:17.47 | Infiltrator | rozz2: Do you have anything else to say that folder exists? Or do you just think that it should? |
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| 04:18.35 | rozz2 | Infiltrator: In a program I'm running, it gives errors like "274 2013.01.18 23:39:36:573 File "c:\depot\games\branches\release\EVE-TRANQUILITY\carbon\common\lib\autoexec.py", line 83, in <module>" |
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| 04:18.47 | rozz2 | Infiltrator: I want to go to these files and look at the particular line numbers. |
| 04:20.00 | Infiltrator | And you're sure that you're looking in the correct prefix? |
| 04:20.03 | rozz2 | Infiltrator: I'm assuming the file exists because the logging software implied that it did. I could be misusing / misinterpreting the logging software though. |
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| 04:20.31 | rozz2 | Infiltrator: I'm guessing that c:\ corresponds to my directory called c_drive that is in my wine folder. |
| 04:20.40 | rozz2 | *drive_c |
| 04:20.51 | Infiltrator | rozz2: How are you running the application? Just wine blah? |
| 04:21.00 | rozz2 | Infiltrator: Yeah. |
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| 04:22.00 | Infiltrator | Pastebin ls -al ~/.wine/drive_c/ ? |
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| 04:23.26 | rozz2 | Infiltrator: http://pastebin.com/Bm6H2xCN |
| 04:23.42 | rozz2 | Infiltrator: Am I going to be chastised for it saying root? :P |
| 04:25.38 | Infiltrator | Did you run it as root or with sudo? |
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| 04:25.50 | Infiltrator | In that case, check /root/.wine/drive_c |
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| 04:26.37 | rozz2 | It is not there either. |
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| 04:27.13 | rozz2 | Then I guess it doesn't even exist? |
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| 04:28.00 | Infiltrator | Seemingly not; but that error you pasted implies that it does. |
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| 04:29.25 | rozz2 | Infiltrator: Maybe it is a temporary file? |
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| 04:33.34 | Infiltrator | Perhaps. Seems odd that it erases it afterwards, though. |
| 04:33.50 | Infiltrator | Can you run the app, and while it's running have a look? |
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| 04:36.07 | rozz2 | I was thinking the same thing. I'll try that. |
| 04:36.57 | rozz2 | Infiltrator: Nope. It isn't there. |
| 04:37.01 | Infiltrator | Also, if I were you, I'd clean up the whole root ownership thing as soon as possible. |
| 04:37.18 | Infiltrator | Still gives the same error, though? |
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| 04:39.58 | rozz2 | Infiltrator: Well, the error is with the game and I haven't changed anything. I'm fairly certain the error is still there. It is something to do with "python27.dll" being used by some stuff, but I can't find the "stuff" in particular. |
| 04:40.29 | rozz2 | And yeah, I installed wine as root but I guess I don't / didn't understand how the ownership worked with that. |
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| 04:40.52 | rozz2 | You mentioned the wine in the root directory. It doesn't have any applications installed. The wine in my user's directory does however. |
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| 04:42.44 | sneex | what do I set to get the OLD vpn stuff back? I'm not even sure how it broke but it is broken now after working for over a year |
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| 04:47.22 | lfs | What is the stable version of Debian? |
| 04:47.29 | rozz2 | lfs: Squeeze. |
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| 04:48.33 | lfs | Does Squeeze work with Google Docs? |
| 04:48.52 | lfs | IT complained about Firefox- old version |
| 04:49.28 | rozz2 | There are ways to backport more modern browsers to Squeeze. I'm not good at it though. |
| 04:49.35 | Infiltrator | rozz2: What's the first error that you get? |
| 04:49.39 | Infiltrator | !tell rozz2 -about errors |
| 04:49.58 | Infiltrator | lfs: Does it say which version of iceweasel it wants? |
| 04:50.21 | rozz2 | Infiltrator: The errors are game related. I'm not sure you'd understand. Regardless: http://pastebin.com/pqgBzjv1 |
| 04:51.02 | peterrooney | !pastebin.com |
| 04:51.03 | dpkg | pastebin.com takes forever to load, makes us enter a CAPTCHA to see your paste and fills the screen with ads. Please use a different site, like http://paste.debian.net/ |
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| 04:51.31 | Infiltrator | I w3m it anyway, so it's not so bad. :P |
| 04:51.31 | thomasd_ | Hi all |
| 04:51.51 | thomasd_ | I'm trying to start transmission-daemon as a service at startup, but I can't use another user for transmission. I would like to start it as my regular user, but it doesn't work. |
| 04:52.11 | rozz2 | Then this: http://paste.debian.net/226292/ |
| 04:52.17 | Infiltrator | rozz2: Have you checked winehq to see if there's anything else you need to do for this game? |
| 04:52.21 | thomasd_ | The thing, is I have no clues on how to diagnose the problem |
| 04:52.36 | thomasd_ | yet alone correct it :-) |
| 04:53.47 | lfs | I think it works now. I was having trouble selecting text but it works just a bit different. |
| 04:53.49 | rozz2 | Infiltrator: I have, and I've tried my best. It is rated #3 most popular Gold application, but I can't figure it out. Thus, I'm trying to solve the problem myself. Just google "python27.dll eve online" and you'll see pages of stuff and no working answers. >.> |
| 04:54.48 | rozz2 | I've done some overrides and have installed extra stuff with winetricks. I just don't know how to track down the individual errors, line by line, and arrive at some sort of fix. |
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| 04:56.14 | rozz2 | If Wine is built to be the same for everyone running it, there must be a difference between my computer and everybody elses (since we apparently followed the same steps). Perhaps it is hardware related. |
| 04:58.04 | thomasd_ | http://pastebin.com/ziYp0AWj this is the script i'm trying to use (from /etc/init.d/). On line 13, nous is mys regular day-to-day user. If I change it back to transmission-daemon as before, the script works, but that's not what I want. |
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| 04:59.52 | thomasd_ | Any idea, someone ? At this point, I'll take any hint ... |
| 04:59.57 | Infiltrator | rozz2: Did you start with a clean prefix? |
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| 05:00.35 | rozz2 | Infiltrator: I'm not exactly sure what you mean. I am very new to Wine. |
| 05:00.53 | Infiltrator | rozz2: As in did you have anything else installed with wine before? |
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| 05:01.32 | Infiltrator | rozz2: And have you tried playonlinux? I find that their scripts are usually pretty good to get things working "automatically". |
| 05:01.34 | rozz2 | Infiltrator: Nothing else installed (besides other failed Eve installations), no. |
| 05:02.04 | rozz2 | Infiltrator: I'm not sure how to setup playonlinux with my current wine. I don't really want to convolute things any further. I'm getting confused as to where all these files are installing as it is. |
| 05:02.56 | Infiltrator | rozz2: You can install playonlinux from the Debian repos. |
| 05:03.09 | rozz2 | Infiltrator: It would take me less than 2-3 hours to reinstall linux and get it back to where I have it, minus Wine. Do you think I should just reinstall everything to have a clean slate? |
| 05:03.36 | Infiltrator | rozz2: I'm not sure if that's necessary. I'd try PoL first. |
| 05:03.38 | rozz2 | Infiltrator: And will playonlinux automatically work with my current installation of Wine (not part of the official repos). |
| 05:04.36 | Infiltrator | rozz2: It depends on how you installed it. It will, however, let you download multiple versions of wine. |
| 05:04.51 | Infiltrator | rozz2: Best way to figure out what I'm talking about is to just try it and see. |
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| 05:05.19 | rozz2 | Infiltrator: Which makes me want to just start all this over and have 1 clean install with play on linux, no root issues, no convoluted mess in my wine folders. |
| 05:05.37 | Arrowmaster | i was never fond of playonlinux because the scripts were impossible to read and follow and the interface was ok |
| 05:05.48 | Arrowmaster | the crossover ui is great though |
| 05:06.09 | Infiltrator | thomasd_: Could perhaps be a permissions thing? What error(s) do you get? |
| 05:06.53 | Infiltrator | Arrowmaster: At the time that I tried it (probably 2~3yrs ago now) crossover was the one that wasn't great and PoL was. |
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| 05:07.35 | Infiltrator | Then again, I mostly just use it for the ease of seperating the prefixes and wine versions. |
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| 05:07.56 | thomasd_ | Alright, I rephrase my question : is there something (configuration, SELinux, ...) that can prevent start-stop-daemon from starting a process as a specific user ? |
| 05:08.04 | lfs | what is the name of the testing for Debian now? |
| 05:08.11 | Arrowmaster | crossover doesnt have the multiple versions of wine part but it handles the separate prefixes great |
| 05:08.24 | Arrowmaster | wheezy |
| 05:08.25 | thomasd_ | Infiltrator, that's the problem, I have no error |
| 05:08.40 | lfs | When will WHeezy be stable? |
| 05:08.45 | Infiltrator | thomasd_: What if you run the script manually? |
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| 05:08.47 | Arrowmaster | when all the bugs are gone |
| 05:09.06 | lfs | Squeeze is getting kind of old now isn't it? |
| 05:09.10 | Arrowmaster | yes |
| 05:09.29 | Arrowmaster | you can use wheezy now though if you want, many do |
| 05:09.33 | sney | !wheezy pool 1 |
| 05:09.33 | dpkg | ! shirish=2013-05-15 LtL=2013-05-21 rizlah=2013-01-02 bolt=2013-04-01 TCW=2013-02-17 bab1len=2013-05-04 cousin_luigi=2013-01-14 tremon=2013-01-26 je11y=2013-05-07 comps=2013-02-20 m1|=2013-06-13 chealer=2012-12-20 jordanm=2013-08-21 peterrooney=2013-02-08 Arrowmaster=2012-12-12 s1monr7n=2013-03-23 themi11=2013-03-15 abrotman=2013-06-01 |
| 05:09.35 | Hydroxide | wheezy has been frozen since june. we can't predict the release date, but it's approaching |
| 05:09.41 | Infiltrator | rozz2: It's your choice, of course. |
| 05:09.49 | sney | ^ release date guesses |
| 05:09.49 | Arrowmaster | sney: stop reminding me i was the first to loose |
| 05:09.54 | sney | lol |
| 05:10.17 | Hydroxide | only one guess in february? really? wow |
| 05:10.18 | thomasd_ | Infiltrator, it just says " * Starting bittorrent daemon transmission-daemon" and nothing else (of course, it doesn't start it) |
| 05:10.41 | sney | i'm glad i didn't put one in. i would've guessed feb. 15-ish. seems unlikely now |
| 05:11.04 | Arrowmaster | february is my current guess, although there still isnt an RC1 for the installer |
| 05:13.20 | Infiltrator | thomasd_: What's in /var/log? |
| 05:13.20 | thomasd_ | Infiltrator, if it can helps, here is the result of a 'bash -x transmission-daemon start' : http://pastebin.com/ifa8QE8G |
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| 05:15.34 | rozz2 | Infiltrator: Thanks for trying to help. I've decided to reinstall my os and then use playonlinux from a clean slate. |
| 05:16.32 | thomasd_ | Infiltrator, there is nothing important in /var/log : a grep only reports old transmission message dating from when I started it with the transmission user. |
| 05:16.57 | Infiltrator | rozz2: As Arrowmaster said, you might also want to look into crossover. |
| 05:17.57 | Infiltrator | thomasd_: Beats me, then, sorry. |
| 05:18.13 | Infiltrator | thomasd_: However, why are you trying to get it run as that user anyway? |
| 05:18.34 | Infiltrator | thomasd_: Oh, and you've checked permissions, right? |
| 05:18.47 | thomasd_ | well, I have that other script that moves movies to a xbmc-aware folder when finished |
| 05:19.25 | thomasd_ | However, xbmc runs as my regular user (it is the only graphic program that runs on this machine) |
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| 05:20.19 | Scramblejams | Sorry to ask what must have been asked a thousand times -- any idea how close we are to the freeze ending? |
| 05:20.43 | Infiltrator | thomasd_: Couldn't you have that script change the owner/permissions, then? (I know that this is only a workaround.) |
| 05:21.05 | Infiltrator | Scramblejams: Were you here ~30mins ago? If so, scroll up. |
| 05:21.07 | thomasd_ | So I ends up with vacation movies that xbmc does not own, and it fails do download subtitles because he doesn't own the directory that transmission created |
| 05:21.47 | Scramblejams | Infiltrator: Sadly no, sorry. :-( |
| 05:21.50 | thomasd_ | Infiltrator, nah, this script would have to run as root, I don't like it. |
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| 05:22.35 | Infiltrator | Scramblejams: http://paste.debian.net/226298/ |
| 05:23.13 | Infiltrator | Scramblejams: The most precise answer, though is: when all the bugs are fixed. :) |
| 05:23.16 | Scramblejams | Infiltrator: Thanks, much appreciated. Less information than I'd hoped for, but about what I expected. :-) |
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| 05:24.10 | Infiltrator | Scramblejams: Debian's policy is "it's ready when it's ready", which I really like, rather than artificial arbitrary deadlines. |
| 05:24.58 | Infiltrator | thomasd_: It could run as transmission-user, couldn't it? |
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| 05:25.34 | thomasd_ | Infiltrator, I almost had it : the transmission config file was owned by transmission-daemon and my user could not read it ! But that was not enough ! Something is still missing |
| 05:26.18 | thomasd_ | Infiltrator, yes, my mistake, the correct name of the user it can run as is debian-transmission |
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| 05:27.15 | Scramblejams | Infiltrator: I'm with ya, I just wish it were read. :-D Thanks again. |
| 05:27.19 | Scramblejams | *ready |
| 05:27.20 | Infiltrator | thomasd_: I take it that if you run transmission-daemon manually, you get no problems? |
| 05:27.35 | Infiltrator | Scramblejams: You can help by fixing bugs. ;) |
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| 05:28.36 | Scramblejams | Infiltrator: Point taken! |
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| 05:31.11 | thomasd_ | Infiltrator, good point ! I thougt I can, but it use a config file from my home dir. If I want it to use the same config file from the service, it fails |
| 05:31.39 | Infiltrator | thomasd_: Check the permissions of the directory that contains the config file. |
| 05:31.52 | Infiltrator | Er, assuming that it fails with a permission error. |
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| 05:36.18 | thomasd_ | Infiltrator, that was it : it was using /var/lib/transmission-daemon/info as its config dir. There was there a synlink to /etc/transmission-daemon/config.json. I thought chowning (can chown be used as a verb ?) the last was enought, but not. |
| 05:37.15 | ectospasm | thomasd_: chowning is a verb (-; |
| 05:38.10 | thomasd_ | So, I chowned /var/lib/transmission-daemon/info and it now works like a charm. Do you think I risk loosing this personalisation if I upgrade a package ? |
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| 05:39.18 | thomasd_ | Thanks ectospasm, I was just fscking it :-) |
| 05:39.41 | Yoshi1 | having an issue with xfwm4. seems like no matter what i do some other window manager is overiding it or something |
| 05:39.45 | Infiltrator | ectospasm: It totally is! |
| 05:40.08 | Yoshi1 | i dont have proper xfce desktop function like making custom launchers or access to xfce desktop backgrouns |
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| 05:40.55 | Infiltrator | thomasd_: I've found that changes I make to /usr/local/vim/vimcurrent/syntax get wiped whenever I upgrade it; but that's content; I'm not sure about permissions. |
| 05:42.20 | thomasd_ | Yeah, /usr is known to be the land of the packager where no user should leave marks. But what about /var/lib ? |
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| 05:43.32 | Infiltrator | Heh; ironic that usr is where no user should leave marks. |
| 05:44.18 | Infiltrator | thomasd_: I'm really not too sure. But if a package put it there, then I would say that that package _will_ change it. |
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| 05:45.37 | Yoshi1 | well i managed to get it back for the moment but that will probably only hold till the reboot. for some reason the gnome session manager keeps loading |
| 05:45.56 | ectospasm | Yoshi1: what DM are you using? |
| 05:46.18 | Yoshi1 | xfce |
| 05:46.52 | thomasd_ | What's the command again to see the files bundled in a package ? |
| 05:47.24 | Infiltrator | thomasd_: dpkg -L package, from memory. |
| 05:47.25 | ectospasm | IIRC, XFCE doesn't provide its own display manager (like gdm,kdm,xdm,slim) |
| 05:47.31 | WorldGenesis | :D |
| 05:47.58 | Yoshi1 | ectospasm: oh well wasnt sure what DM meant i took a shot. i dont know what display manager |
| 05:48.32 | ectospasm | Yoshi1: when you log in, are you sure you're setting your session as XFCE? |
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| 05:49.15 | Yoshi1 | not always sometimes i forget and it's set to default which i thought meant last session used |
| 05:49.24 | Yoshi1 | if not how do i make xfce my default |
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| 05:49.56 | thomasd_ | Alright, it does contains files in /var/lib, I guess I'll have to redo it on every upgrade |
| 05:50.05 | thomasd_ | Anyway, thanks a lot. |
| 05:50.09 | ectospasm | Yoshi1: depends on the DM. For GDM you select it from a dropdown menu |
| 05:50.26 | Infiltrator | thomasd_: You'll probably also have to change the init.d/ script. |
| 05:50.28 | Yoshi1 | ectospasm: ??? |
| 05:50.31 | ectospasm | Yoshi1: "default" does NOT usually mean the last session used. |
| 05:50.50 | Yoshi1 | ectospasm: well then i need to change the default |
| 05:51.43 | ectospasm | Yoshi1: good luck. You should first figure out what DM you're using. |
| 05:52.30 | Infiltrator | Yoshi1: If you don't use the others, you could always remove them and then by default the default would be xfce. :P |
| 05:52.31 | Yoshi1 | ectospasm: well i dont have kde installed so i doubt that it's kdm. how do i find out what DM i am using? |
| 05:52.57 | Arrowmaster | then its either gdm3 or lightdm probably |
| 05:53.07 | ectospasm | Yoshi1: you can check in /etc/init.d/... |
| 05:53.14 | Yoshi1 | Infiltrator: yeah i thought about that but the large list of things that get auto uninstalled if you remove gdm kind of makes me squirly about doing that |
| 05:53.29 | Arrowmaster | cat /etc/X11/default-display-manager |
| 05:54.03 | Yoshi1 | yeah gdm3 is my default display manager |
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| 05:56.46 | Infiltrator | Yoshi1: That's probably a good thing if you don't use them, though; a lot of that stuff is gnome stuff. |
| 05:57.27 | tuv | can sudo allow a user to execute a specific command with specific options only? |
| 05:58.03 | Yoshi1 | Infiltrator: oh i can remove gnome-session without uninstalling anything else |
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| 05:58.24 | Infiltrator | tuv: Hang around for a proper answer, but you can create a script that runs it with whatever options and let them run only that? |
| 05:59.19 | lfs | What is the command to see if a package is installed? |
| 05:59.20 | Infiltrator | Yoshi1: Mind you that this isn't a proper fix for changing the default session; but you may as well get rid what you're not using. |
| 05:59.57 | Infiltrator | lfs: aptitude show package-name, I think. |
| 06:00.04 | LtL | lfs: dpkg -s packagename |
| 06:00.11 | Infiltrator | lfs: Better answer ^ |
| 06:00.14 | Yoshi1 | Infiltrator: then how do i change the default session? |
| 06:01.12 | Infiltrator | Yoshi1: Beats me. :) |
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| 06:01.44 | Yoshi1 | Infiltrator: well since i have an adhoc solution and it's late ima go play TF2 if it will load on steam |
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| 06:02.38 | Infiltrator | Yoshi1: It's obviously it some config file somewhere, though. |
| 06:02.59 | Yoshi1 | Infiltrator: yeah i know i just dont wanna go poking around in those when i am tired |
| 06:03.06 | Yoshi1 | not for something minor anyway |
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| 06:10.54 | Infiltrator | Yoshi1: Have a look in /var/lib/AccountsService/users/$USER |
| 06:11.41 | wad | I'm kinda stuck. In my swing application, I have a JButton that throws an exception on the line of code that button.setEnabled(false); ===> Exception in thread "AWT-EventQueue-1" java.lang.IllegalArgumentException: Comparison method violates its general contract! |
| 06:12.03 | wad | Googling around hasn't helped. Staring at the code hasn't helped..... |
| 06:12.44 | ectospasm | wad: maybe ask in #java? |
| 06:12.49 | wad | lol |
| 06:12.55 | wad | wrong channel!! So sorry, guys! |
| 06:13.07 | wad | is so ashamed. |
| 06:13.09 | Yoshi1 | Infiltrator: session = xfce *shrugs* |
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| 06:14.07 | ectospasm | Yoshi1: you don't have anything you don't want in your startup session, do you? |
| 06:14.18 | ectospasm | there may be some things you don't intend to be there. |
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| 06:15.16 | tuv | Infiltrator: that's what i'm doing now. it works, but now i have to worry about another file |
| 06:15.18 | Yoshi1 | ectospasm: settings -> session and startup? |
| 06:15.30 | ectospasm | Yoshi1: yes. |
| 06:15.40 | Yoshi1 | ectospasm: no i've gone through that |
| 06:16.03 | ectospasm | Yoshi1: nothing in ~/.xinitrc? |
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| 06:17.41 | Yoshi1 | ectospasm: i dont even have such a file |
| 06:19.13 | ectospasm | Yoshi1: you may want to ask in #xfce... it seems something has screwed up |
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| 06:19.39 | ectospasm | I use xfce4 with slim, but I use XMonad as my WM, so I can't help you with xfwm4... |
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| 07:31.38 | new[] | how can i mount this USB device? http://dpaste.org/yEqEh/raw/ |
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| 07:47.26 | new[] | how can i mount usb device with the dev access point? |
| 07:47.39 | new[] | like /dev/bus/usb/003/080 |
| 07:47.53 | new[] | for Bus 003 Device 080: ID 18d1:dddd Google Inc. |
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| 08:05.29 | tehrabbitt | hey, trying to turn a debian box into a router / firewall... I enabled the ip_fowarding in the sysctl, and I've got ipv4 WAN and LAN set as well as ipv6 WAN set (I didn't set anything on LAN). my WAN is eth1 LAN is eth3 I can access devices on both sides of the device, but the device isn't passing traffic thorough, any ideas? |
| 08:05.46 | tehrabbitt | i'm trying to use shoreline / shorewall6 to configure the firewall part of things. |
| 08:06.19 | MoonTiger | so debian testing *really* is testing |
| 08:06.25 | tehrabbitt | MoonTiger: yes |
| 08:06.26 | tehrabbitt | lol |
| 08:06.35 | tehrabbitt | MoonTiger: that's why it's called testing :p |
| 08:06.42 | MoonTiger | i never had a complete system breaking update before |
| 08:06.48 | MoonTiger | in almost 10yrs |
| 08:07.25 | MoonTiger | good reminder that the name is meaningful :) |
| 08:07.34 | tehrabbitt | MoonTiger: I have :p then again, I run testing lol |
| 08:07.47 | MoonTiger | right |
| 08:07.48 | MoonTiger | :) |
| 08:08.01 | tehrabbitt | MoonTiger: Then again, I try to figure out WHY things break and fix them :p |
| 08:08.12 | tehrabbitt | MoonTiger: sadly haven't been very active in that part of things though lately :( |
| 08:08.14 | MoonTiger | right - which i did after a couple of hours |
| 08:08.21 | tehrabbitt | http://www.tehrabbitt.com/ <-- |
| 08:08.26 | tehrabbitt | MoonTiger: what broke |
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| 08:08.43 | MoonTiger | the iwl4965 wifi stuff |
| 08:08.50 | tehrabbitt | >_< Wifi always beaks |
| 08:08.52 | tehrabbitt | breaks* |
| 08:08.55 | tehrabbitt | so does sound |
| 08:09.00 | tehrabbitt | lol |
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| 08:09.27 | MoonTiger | yah but when you only have wifi to connect with it's..... tricky |
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| 08:10.05 | MoonTiger | thing is it actually broke my wifi card for a while |
| 08:10.11 | MoonTiger | even windows wouldn't see it |
| 08:10.15 | tehrabbitt | MoonTiger: well, yeah... I helped someone here out a while back, mailed them a wifi card because debian testing just randomly decided to not support that card anymore / kept panicing etc... i had a spare good card that worked well so i mailed it to them lol |
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| 08:10.33 | MoonTiger | that's nice of you :) |
| 08:10.36 | tehrabbitt | MoonTiger: I have always hated wifi with a passion lol |
| 08:10.49 | MoonTiger | right but it's what most of us have to use |
| 08:11.49 | MoonTiger | anyways i managed to get it fixed but i'm not quite sure how |
| 08:12.06 | MoonTiger | i went and bought a usb wifi dongle that works just in case in the future |
| 08:12.31 | tehrabbitt | MoonTiger: lol thats what I did.... I keep a nice dongle that has an intel chipset in it |
| 08:12.39 | tehrabbitt | 08:03 < iter> haha |
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| 08:12.43 | tehrabbitt | erm |
| 08:12.48 | tehrabbitt | stupid paste lol |
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| 08:12.52 | MoonTiger | this one is realtek but it works without problem |
| 08:13.00 | tehrabbitt | MoonTiger: yeah, realtek is usually okay. |
| 08:13.05 | tehrabbitt | sound on the ohte rhand..... lol |
| 08:13.10 | MoonTiger | yah |
| 08:13.22 | MoonTiger | i only just got ok with allowing pulse toget installed |
| 08:13.30 | tehrabbitt | MoonTiger: check the "debian" tab on my site |
| 08:13.33 | tehrabbitt | it's an old bug |
| 08:13.39 | tehrabbitt | but it shows the kind of stuff you see in "Testing" |
| 08:13.39 | MoonTiger | i did already ;) |
| 08:13.39 | tehrabbitt | lol |
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| 08:14.29 | MoonTiger | gotta go get some work done - see y'all again :) |
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| 08:22.55 | CableNinja | I had someone help me get hibernate working the other day, running into a problem with it now though. When I come back out of hibernation the battery no longer charges. It will hold the existing charge and drain, but if I plug it in, the system thinks its full, rebooting fixes the problem. any ideas? |
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| 08:27.20 | soapee01 | since potato left at hardy. fan of kde since 2. kubuntu lately not so much. how is kde on debian these days? really don't want to go back to the woody -> sarge days on desktop again though. |
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| 08:30.24 | leehambley | can anyone recomend any reading on creating a virtual server image from nothing, I need to script building a VM, and within that VM i'll need to create lxc containers, but I've never done anything with virtualization before |
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| 08:35.45 | soapee01 | leehambley, you need a consultant. |
| 08:35.49 | ectospasm | leehambley: have you decided which VM technology you will be using? I know VirtualBox allows you to do practically anything you can do in the GUI, from the CLI |
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| 08:36.04 | ectospasm | ...I'm sure KVM/qemu can do the same, probably Xen too |
| 08:36.17 | soapee01 | ectospasm he's well before all of that. |
| 08:37.06 | leehambley | ectospasm: in the first instance, I'll probably use virtualbox, I just need something that'll work for development now. Whatever I build will need to pick up a server via multicast that will instruct it which containers to setup/teardown |
| 08:37.18 | leehambley | that part is working with a hand-built VM so far, and that might be enough |
| 08:37.39 | soapee01 | if you want to experiement with debian apt-get install virt-manager then run virt-manager and have fun. |
| 08:37.48 | leehambley | but I would have liked to take the ~8 manual steps out, and share this VM with my team, but that said, I'm sure in this case, I can shutdown the box, and share the .vdi with them |
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| 08:38.53 | soapee01 | leehambley you do Linux VM's too eh? |
| 08:38.58 | leehambley | scripting the creation of lxc containers might be a bigger topic, but I beleive I cna use debbootstrap, and modify the directory structure before starting the container, so in that case, it's just `debbootstrap` followed by dropping/modding a bunch of files, and then I'm done |
| 08:39.55 | leehambley | soapee01: I beg your pardon? These will be Debian instances in this case, only because of the apparent disproportional prevalence of good Debian lxc docs |
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| 08:42.55 | soapee01 | leehambley I wasn't questioning your abilities. |
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| 08:43.25 | leehambley | I just wondered to what the "too" referred to, I've never done any kind of VMs before! |
| 08:43.42 | soapee01 | as in me too! |
| 08:43.50 | leehambley | ah, gotcha |
| 08:44.03 | leehambley | well, I might be able to attest to that in a couple of hours |
| 08:44.36 | soapee01 | I'm honestly wondering about debian desktop since I haven't used it in about 6 years. |
| 08:45.00 | soapee01 | especially KDE. wondering how kde4 is here? |
| 08:45.08 | leehambley | I've been on Mac just about that long, I was a gentoo nerd before that, it's quite an experience going back, the desktops on linux got a *lot* better |
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| 08:46.37 | Zeeflo | I need a suggestions about incremental backup of selected folders to an FTP backup server. Any ideas? |
| 08:46.53 | soapee01 | Zeeflo rsync |
| 08:46.56 | soapee01 | and cron |
| 08:47.03 | Zeeflo | rsync wont backup to ftp |
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| 08:47.06 | leehambley | Zeeflo what's the nature of your definition of `incremental` ? |
| 08:47.17 | soapee01 | Zeeflo you are right. |
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| 08:47.19 | soapee01 | sorry |
| 08:47.44 | Zeeflo | leehambley: dont you know what an incremental backup is? |
| 08:47.51 | soapee01 | Zeeflo rsnapshot, cron and script? |
| 08:48.13 | leehambley | it depends on the nature of what *you* determine an incremental backup to be, whether it's a binary diff, or new files, or new and changed, or new changed and deleted/etc |
| 08:48.18 | Zeeflo | i dont know, soapee01, ive always used rsync, but i cannot with this server. I can only backup to ftp |
| 08:48.21 | llamaz | If I upgrade my kernel to something deemed stable by other distros (e.g. the 3.6 kernel), will it undermine debian's stability? |
| 08:49.01 | Zeeflo | leehambley: a simple "replace and new file" incremental backup is fine |
| 08:49.22 | Zeeflo | i just want to keep my websites and mysql databases backed up |
| 08:49.58 | leehambley | then it should be relatively trivial to write a script to enumerate the files on the ftp, checking mtime and filenames, and coming up with a list to send to the FTP |
| 08:50.06 | leehambley | but it depends on your shell scripting skills |
| 08:50.27 | leehambley | that, or maintain a manifest locally of what was backed up the last time, and refer to that when determining what to upload |
| 08:50.37 | Zeeflo | leehambley: excactly, and I dont have that much scripting skills. So I ask here if anyone know where I can go. |
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| 08:51.12 | leehambley | Zeeflo, that's exactly the kind of script that pretty much everyone in here will have rolled their own for, but there's nothing really cookie-cutter that you can refer to |
| 08:51.20 | Zeeflo | would it be possible to mount that ftp folder locally and then rsync it? |
| 08:51.30 | leehambley | have you considered "backing up" by using a source control tool ? |
| 08:51.43 | Zeeflo | leehambley: no, I havent. |
| 08:51.46 | leehambley | no reason you couldn't "check-in" your backup files, and then push it back to github or bitbucket |
| 08:52.16 | leehambley | then the tool (Git, for argument's sake) guarantees that unchanged files don't take up any space |
| 08:52.24 | Atheros_Problem | I have an Atheros 9445 wireless card, and it is INCREDIBLY slow. Can take upwards of 20 to 30 seconds to load a page. I'm on Debian Testing ( 7.0 ) and I'm really at a lost. I have no clue how to solve this issue :| |
| 08:52.34 | leehambley | I'd look there, and my background is web developer, where we always use source control tools |
| 08:52.53 | Zeeflo | leehambley: so youre saying github? |
| 08:53.11 | leehambley | I'd give it a read, Github is one option of many (it's also amongst the most expensive) |
| 08:53.23 | leehambley | then you an script your server with cron to check everyhing in, and send it to github |
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| 08:53.27 | soapee01 | Zeeflo github makes your code fully public. |
| 08:53.33 | leehambley | ^^ that's not true |
| 08:53.37 | leehambley | Github has private plans |
| 08:53.44 | Zeeflo | wouldnt it be possible to use an amazon bucket instead? |
| 08:53.44 | soapee01 | if you pay |
| 08:53.52 | soapee01 | by default they do not. |
| 08:53.52 | Zeeflo | i already pay for that.. |
| 08:53.57 | leehambley | Zeeflo "I have to use FTP" |
| 08:54.09 | leehambley | s3cmd and s3sync tools will let you rsync a bucket |
| 08:54.18 | Zeeflo | BUT, its kinda dumb when I have 100gb free ftp backup storage... |
| 08:54.20 | leehambley | or "sortof rsync" a bucket |
| 08:54.24 | soapee01 | Zeeflo you already pay for private github? just use that? |
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| 08:54.52 | Zeeflo | no, I dont have github |
| 08:55.10 | Zeeflo | i have an amazon account, but like i said, its pretty dumb paying for stuff when others give it for free. |
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| 08:55.16 | Zeeflo | hence my ftp question |
| 08:55.25 | Atheros_Problem | I've seen recent issues with an Atheros 9245, and it's barely off from what I have ( 9445 ). They're also saying that their wireless is incredibly slow and can take up to 20 seconds a page. But yet their, and my ethernet is just fine. |
| 08:57.02 | Zeeflo | What about curlftp? |
| 08:57.04 | soapee01 | Zeeflo: write a script that does ftp with $1 (file as input). find /usr/local/Zeeflo -mtime -1 -exec yourscritptname {} \; |
| 08:57.45 | soapee01 | \; |
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| 08:58.13 | soapee01 | but I do that shit all the time for my clients who want stuff uploaded to them nightly. |
| 08:58.28 | soapee01 | set a cron job. done. |
| 08:58.34 | Zeeflo | im thinking, use curlftpfs, mount it and put it in fstab, create a script that copies what I want backed up and then add it to cron? |
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| 08:59.47 | soapee01 | that wold work too. |
| 09:00.09 | Zeeflo | then its just the scripting part :D |
| 09:00.13 | Zeeflo | Can someone help there hehehe |
| 09:00.21 | soapee01 | #bash |
| 09:00.30 | Zeeflo | im sorry guys, Ive just got no clue about shell scripting |
| 09:00.42 | soapee01 | #hiresomebody |
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| 09:01.43 | Zeeflo | or could I perhaps do something like this in crontab: 1 1 * * * rsync -asvz --no-owner --no-group /var/www /mnt/backup/daily ? |
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| 09:03.04 | ectospasm | llamaz: probably some iteration past 3.2.35-2 (it's what I've got on wheezy now) |
| 09:03.55 | llamaz | thank you |
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| 09:42.23 | Bladerunner05 | hello I boot my pc from usb (first boot in order, second in order my hdd) but grub can't install itself on mbr… how to resolve this ? |
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| 09:46.33 | soapee01 | Bladerunner05: http://www.catb.org/esr/faqs/smart-questions.html |
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| 10:04.53 | n0body | hello everyone |
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| 10:05.41 | n0body | some time ago i was having trobbles to install wheezy on my asus n56vz, it was just impossible to install grub, i solved the problem by just using the netinst image in place of the other dvds |
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| 10:07.39 | n0body | now im have other strange problems, tried to use google to find a solution but nothing usable was found, i have a optimus card 'nvidia 650m" and i installed bumblebee, its looks great optirun works nice but... after some time using the computer, 2 things can happen... first one is the gui freezes, but i can use ctrl + alt + f1 to go console and reboot normaly |
| 10:08.06 | n0body | 2nd is the computer freezes, and im forced to power down the machine by pressing the button for 5 secs |
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| 10:08.35 | n0body | what can be the problem? it can be the graphics card? im using bumblebee with nvidia |
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| 10:15.33 | esaym153 | what is a good way to print unique lines from a file that have un-unique lines inbetween them? |
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| 10:19.59 | CQ | hello... whats the best way to filter mail? using tbird right now but want to change that.... switch to procmail for filtering? |
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| 10:27.16 | peterrooney | esaym153: no programming language will let you avoid clarifying your thinking. what are you wanting to do? |
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| 10:28.44 | ectospasm | esaym153: the uniq command doesn't do what you want? |
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| 10:30.21 | esaym153 | peterrooney: heh, well I was wondering if there was something like uniq. uniq only prints or hides duplicate lines if they are right after one another. I need to dig through a text file of customer accounts. If the account is in the file more than once, that means there are multiple errors associated with that account and will need to be logged. I can script it with perl, but I was hoping there was a command like uniq already... |
| 10:30.23 | peterrooney | ectospasm: my GUESS is that he wants lines printed only if there are duplicates. but that's my guess, not his question. |
| 10:30.35 | themill | esaym153: sort -u |
| 10:30.50 | esaym153 | peterrooney: use, but the dupe lines can be anywhere in the f ile.. |
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| 10:31.14 | peterrooney | esaym153: sort | uniq -d |
| 10:32.25 | esaym153 | peterrooney: yea I just thought of that |
| 10:32.32 | esaym153 | sweet, thank you |
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| 10:33.41 | peterrooney | you're welcome. |
| 10:34.31 | peterrooney | i find whenever I reinvent the wheel, I get exhausted (and a very bumpy ride). |
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| 10:35.05 | esaym153 | yep |
| 10:35.08 | ectospasm | especially because my wheel tends to have a trapezoidal shape |
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| 10:45.20 | tehrabbitt | hey, trying to get debian to act as an ipv6 router... already have it doing NAT for my LAN to WAN, however it's not working like I want it to for ipv6 |
| 10:45.36 | tehrabbitt | I've specified the IPv6 address / gateway for eth1 and eth3 is my LAN |
| 10:45.57 | tehrabbitt | I have an assigned /64 |
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| 10:46.10 | tehrabbitt | any ideas why it won't route? |
| 10:46.17 | tehrabbitt | I enabled ip fowarding for ipv6 as well |
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| 10:57.38 | tehrabbitt | anyon ehere? |
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| 11:01.53 | Infiltrator | !tell tehrabbitt -about repeat |
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| 11:04.45 | tehrabbitt | Infiltrator: ? |
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| 11:05.45 | tehrabbitt | Infiltrator: Sorry, it's going on 6AM here, and i'm passing out in a datacenter completley unable why I can't get a /64 to be presented to clients and route through the debian server |
| 11:05.47 | Infiltrator | tehrabbitt: Have some patience and don't ask if anybody is here. |
| 11:06.02 | tehrabbitt | Infiltrator: I've been in here since 1-2AM, nobody was really active then either |
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| 11:06.18 | Infiltrator | Fair enough. |
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| 11:06.31 | Infiltrator | But IP6 is something that not a lot of people know about. |
| 11:06.36 | tehrabbitt | yeah :\ |
| 11:06.45 | tehrabbitt | and i've learned all the tutorials are for tunnels |
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| 11:07.19 | jelly-home | I presume you've inquired in ##networking already |
| 11:07.48 | tehrabbitt | jelly-home: yep lol |
| 11:08.05 | Infiltrator | tehrabbitt: Also, you're not really saying what the problem is. |
| 11:08.08 | tehrabbitt | jelly-home: and ##/r/sysadmin |
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| 11:08.23 | Infiltrator | tehrabbitt: (I know it's 6AM, but we need more info so that we can help you.) |
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| 11:09.01 | tehrabbitt | Well, I set up radvd, i put in my /64 prefix that is being handed to me as 2001:XXXX:YYYY:ZZZZ::1/64 |
| 11:09.20 | tehrabbitt | I set the IP of my debian server to 2001:XXXX:YYYY:ZZZZ::2 |
| 11:09.29 | tehrabbitt | now the debian server can ping6 ipv6.google.com, etc |
| 11:09.45 | tehrabbitt | it can also ping the ipv6 addresses of other clients on the LAN ::3, ::4, etc |
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| 11:10.04 | tehrabbitt | However any device behind said server cannot ping ipv6.google.com |
| 11:10.11 | tehrabbitt | it resolves the IP correctly through DNS. |
| 11:10.16 | tehrabbitt | but the packets don't go through. |
| 11:10.23 | tehrabbitt | I did enable net.ipv6.conf.all.forwarding=1 |
| 11:10.35 | tehrabbitt | and I rebooted after sysctl -p etc |
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| 11:11.16 | Dagger2 | are you trying to put the same /64 on multiple interfaces? |
| 11:11.26 | Infiltrator | tehrabbitt: And you've turned routing logging on and had a look at that? |
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| 11:11.39 | ninicksa | hello |
| 11:11.55 | tehrabbitt | Dagger2: Yes. |
| 11:12.07 | tehrabbitt | Trying to advertise the /64 on eth3 |
| 11:12.11 | tehrabbitt | eth1 is the WAN |
| 11:12.14 | tehrabbitt | eth3 is the LAN |
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| 11:12.28 | Dagger2 | tehrabbitt: well... that's not going to work, for the same rason that having 192.168.1.x on two interfaces doesn't work |
| 11:12.41 | ninicksa | Debian in my computer don't finish the shundown, what can I do? sorry for my bad english |
| 11:12.50 | tehrabbitt | Dagger2: so how do I advertise the range on the LAN and still be able to firewall it etc |
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| 11:13.26 | Dagger2 | if the /64 is on your WAN interface, then you don't advertise it on your LAN |
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| 11:13.44 | Dagger2 | you get your upstream to route you a (different) /64, and then use that |
| 11:14.08 | Infiltrator | ninicksa: What do you mean by won't finish it? What's the last line you have? |
| 11:14.13 | tehrabbitt | Dagger2: I want to use the /64 for multiple servers I have in this datacenter... but I don't trust windows firewall at all |
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| 11:14.23 | tehrabbitt | so I don't want to just plug it in directly |
| 11:14.28 | tehrabbitt | (firewall it) |
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| 11:15.32 | tehrabbitt | am I making sense at all? |
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| 11:16.27 | Infiltrator | tehrabbitt: Well, this is how I would do IP4 stuff: WAN IP address on WAN interface; LAN IP address on LAN interface, and then forward the ports to whichever servers, with NAT. |
| 11:17.12 | tehrabbitt | Infiltrator: ya, thats how I have the ipv4 set up, when it comes to the ipv6 though, I'm trying to use this server to "present" it to the servers behind it. |
| 11:17.33 | tehrabbitt | that way I can use iptables to lock down ports on the machines behind etc.... without leaving everything wide open on public IPs. |
| 11:17.44 | tehrabbitt | (no NAT for ipv6) |
| 11:17.44 | Dagger2 | Infiltrator: yes. note that you don't use the WAN network on the LAN side, you use a separate network range |
| 11:17.54 | Dagger2 | the same applies in v6, just you're doing it with public addresses |
| 11:17.55 | tehrabbitt | Dagger2: what do you mean? |
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| 11:18.10 | tehrabbitt | Dagger2: so what should I be advertising to the clients? |
| 11:18.24 | Infiltrator | tehrabbitt: I would say a seperate LAN range. |
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| 11:19.04 | Dagger2 | you advertise one of the subnets your provider routes to you |
| 11:19.12 | tehrabbitt | Dagger2: I only get one subnet |
| 11:19.16 | tehrabbitt | a single /64 |
| 11:19.42 | grzeslaw_ | hello guys.. did any ou you expirience this kind of problems when running logcheck: /usr/sbin/logcheck: line 100: kill: (11537) - No such process ? |
| 11:19.43 | Dagger2 | "use that then" |
| 11:19.53 | Dagger2 | but it sounds like you don't actually get that subnet routed to you |
| 11:19.53 | tehrabbitt | Dagger2: well that's my question, how do I heh |
| 11:20.02 | tehrabbitt | Dagger2: what do you mean? |
| 11:20.04 | Dagger2 | but rather it's the subnet on your upstream interface |
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| 11:20.37 | tehrabbitt | well it's like: "2001:XXXX:YYYY:ZZZZ::1/64" thats all the ISP gave me |
| 11:20.49 | tehrabbitt | telling me that my gateway is ::1 |
| 11:20.57 | tehrabbitt | and I can start with ::2 |
| 11:20.58 | tehrabbitt | etc |
| 11:21.15 | Dagger2 | yeah, that's not routed to you |
| 11:21.40 | tehrabbitt | Dagger2: Hm, so how do I use that then |
| 11:21.41 | Dagger2 | basically the ISP has done this on their side: `ip addr add 2001:xxxx:yyyy:zzzz::1/64 dev eth0` |
| 11:21.59 | tehrabbitt | Ah |
| 11:22.01 | Dagger2 | routing looks like this: `ip route add 2001:db8:42::/48 via 2001:xxxx:yyyy:zzzz::2` |
| 11:22.16 | Dagger2 | (assuming your computer is 2001:xxxx:yyyy:zzzz::2) |
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| 11:22.34 | tehrabbitt | Dagger2: so there's no way for me to really firewall it :\ |
| 11:22.50 | Dagger2 | so a packet destined to 2001:db8:42::whatever goes 2001:xxxx:yyyy:zzzz::1 -> 2001:xxxx:yyyy:zzzz::1 -> 2001:db8:42::whatever |
| 11:22.54 | Dagger2 | er |
| 11:22.57 | Dagger2 | so a packet destined to 2001:db8:42::whatever goes 2001:xxxx:yyyy:zzzz::1 -> 2001:xxxx:yyyy:zzzz::2 -> 2001:db8:42::whatever |
| 11:23.16 | Dagger2 | all you have to do is ask your ISP to route a /64 (or more) to you |
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| 11:23.20 | Dagger2 | if they're any good, they will |
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| 11:23.41 | tehrabbitt | if they *route* it to me, what do I do? |
| 11:24.29 | Dagger2 | if they route you 2001:db8:42:1::/64, then just add 2001:db8:42:1::1/64 to eth3, and then 2001:db8:42:1::x/64 to your LAN computers |
| 11:24.39 | Dagger2 | or rather configure radvd to advertise 2001:db8:42:1::/64 |
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| 11:25.15 | tehrabbitt | and if they can't route it to me? |
| 11:25.32 | tehrabbitt | is there a plan B i can use? Heh |
| 11:25.52 | Dagger2 | "get a better ISP" |
| 11:25.57 | tehrabbitt | Dagger2: not an option sadly |
| 11:26.17 | Dagger2 | a tunnel from tunnelbroker.net would work |
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| 11:26.27 | tehrabbitt | Dagger2: I'm just frustrated because i've been working on this all night :\ |
| 11:26.37 | tehrabbitt | Dagger2: what good is this /64 block they gave then lol |
| 11:26.47 | tehrabbitt | how would it even be used |
| 11:26.50 | Dagger2 | there's also proxy NDP, which is a pain and stupid but it's apparently what a lot of people are resorting to, rather than just getting their upstream to route them the block :/ |
| 11:26.58 | Dagger2 | it's used to talk to your ISP |
| 11:27.44 | Dagger2 | it's a transfer net, it's used to route your routed block to you |
| 11:28.06 | tehrabbitt | Dagger2: and how am I supposed to use that routed block though |
| 11:28.17 | tehrabbitt | just assign one to each machine right off the switch / no gateway i'm guessing? |
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| 11:30.00 | Dagger2 | you're going to want a default router if you want to talk to the internet... |
| 11:30.07 | Dagger2 | you basically just emulate your ISP's setup, but from the other side |
| 11:30.14 | tehrabbitt | Dagger2: what do you mean |
| 11:30.20 | tehrabbitt | a default router? |
| 11:30.21 | Dagger2 | you assign ::1 to eth3 on your box, and then ::2,3,4 to your client computers |
| 11:30.35 | tehrabbitt | I can assign ::1 to eth3? |
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| 11:31.08 | tehrabbitt | and shouldn't the ::1 be on eth1 (WAN) not LAN? or is it supposed to be on the LAN side? |
| 11:31.15 | Dagger2 | default router = default gateway = gateway = the thing that traffic goes to when you don't have a more specific route for it |
| 11:31.16 | tehrabbitt | (it's being handed to me via eth1) |
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| 11:32.07 | Dagger2 | I meant ::1 out of your routed block, if you had one |
| 11:32.15 | tehrabbitt | oh. |
| 11:32.34 | Dagger2 | obviously you can't use 2001:xxxx:yyyy:zzzz::1 on eth1 because that's assigned to another machine already |
| 11:32.43 | tehrabbitt | yeah :\ |
| 11:32.46 | tehrabbitt | so i'd use ::2 |
| 11:32.54 | tehrabbitt | but even then, you're saying that wouldn't work? |
| 11:33.23 | Dagger2 | and you can't use any address out of 2001:xxxx:yyyy:zzzz::/64 on eth3 unless you bridge eth3 to eth1, because that would cause a clash |
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| 11:33.49 | tehrabbitt | Hem.... and by bridging it, it would break the ipv4 NAT, correct? |
| 11:33.56 | zecrazytux | Dagger2: Many upstream do not provide more than a single /64. Or they would ask for an insane amount of money to route a /56. I believe people that use NDP do not really have the choice |
| 11:34.36 | Dagger2 | zecrazytux: a single /64 would be sufficient in this case. the problem is that he doesn't even get that |
| 11:34.53 | Dagger2 | (and I don't understand why writing /56 in a config file is so much harder than writing /64) |
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| 11:35.28 | Dagger2 | tehrabbitt: yeah. or well... it would make your "private" LAN rather visible to your ISP and anybody else on eth1 |
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| 11:35.52 | tehrabbitt | Dagger2: :\ |
| 11:36.10 | tehrabbitt | Dagger2: so what is the ndp thing you mentioned? would that "fix" the issue heh |
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| 11:36.30 | zecrazytux | Dagger2: I suspect them to know very well what they are doing. business. My provider agreed to route a single additional /64. They asked me to spend 15€ per month and 49€ oneshot for a /56 ! |
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| 11:37.12 | Dagger2 | zecrazytux: that's pretty ridiculous |
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| 11:37.38 | zecrazytux | I know... |
| 11:37.47 | tehrabbitt | any good tutorials on how to set that up Dagger2 |
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| 11:38.14 | Dagger2 | tehrabbitt: I don't have any. I refuse to deal with proxy NDP |
| 11:38.28 | tehrabbitt | Dagger2: how come |
| 11:38.29 | Dagger2 | it's just so incredibly stupid when your upstream can just route you a block :/ |
| 11:38.42 | tehrabbitt | Dagger2: not when your upstream wants your first born :\ |
| 11:38.45 | Aleksander | Hello. I want to install libsane from sarge repository being on sid, how can I do that? Installing apt-get install -t sarge libsane gives me "The libsane package is up to date" |
| 11:38.50 | tehrabbitt | $5/ipv4 ips is bad enough lol |
| 11:38.57 | tehrabbitt | (each/mo) |
| 11:39.02 | Aleksander | I have sarge archive in my sources.list |
| 11:39.09 | tehrabbitt | $10 at on of our other locations |
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| 11:39.45 | Zeeflo | In which folder does all the mysql databases reside? |
| 11:39.53 | Infiltrator | Aleksander: That doesn't sound very sane. |
| 11:40.00 | zecrazytux | Zeeflo: /var/lib/mysql |
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| 11:40.17 | Dagger2 | well, you can expect high cost for v4 addresses... they're scarce |
| 11:40.19 | Zeeflo | zecrazytux: so if I rsync that -R it should be good for backups? |
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| 11:40.22 | Dagger2 | v6 addresses aren't |
| 11:40.39 | tehrabbitt | Dagger2: but as being ISPs in the business of making money, they charge anyway lol |
| 11:40.45 | tehrabbitt | "because they can" |
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| 11:41.27 | Aleksander | Infiltrator, I know that libsane 1.0.20 breaks compatibility with my scanner, what else can I do? |
| 11:41.50 | Zeeflo | zecrazytux: so if I rsync that -R it should be good for backups? |
| 11:41.58 | zecrazytux | Zeeflo: yes and no. yes that's a mean to do backups. no depending on the state of the binaries. you should freeze / pause while doing the backup, especially for innodb |
| 11:42.25 | Zeeflo | i cant freeze it several times a day |
| 11:42.32 | Zeeflo | its a website thats running 24/7 |
| 11:42.37 | Dagger2 | tehrabbitt: well, none of the two ISPs I get v6 from charge for them, and they give /48s |
| 11:42.50 | Infiltrator | .versions libsane |
| 11:42.55 | Infiltrator | ,versions libsane |
| 11:42.57 | judd | Package: libsane on i386 -- lenny: 1.0.19-23; squeeze: 1.0.21-9; squeeze-backports: 1.0.22-3~bpo60+1; sid: 1.0.22-7.4; wheezy: 1.0.22-7.4 |
| 11:43.13 | zecrazytux | Zeeflo: you could use lvm snapshots |
| 11:43.14 | Zeeflo | but, whats the worst case scenario? That 2-3 comments or statistics arent backed up when rsync flys over it? |
| 11:43.21 | Infiltrator | Aleksander: Try using lenny's one; but I still don't think that it's safe. |
| 11:43.30 | zecrazytux | Zeeflo: corrupted database |
| 11:43.35 | Zeeflo | hmm |
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| 11:43.55 | Infiltrator | darsie: What country are you in? |
| 11:43.56 | Zeeflo | zecrazytux: whats the chances of a corrupt database when rsyncing it? |
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| 11:44.11 | Zeeflo | slim to none? |
| 11:44.16 | Zeeflo | or likely? |
| 11:44.38 | Infiltrator | Aleksander: Is the breakage _only_ in .20? Would .21 or .22 work for you? |
| 11:44.44 | Infiltrator | darsie: Sorry. |
| 11:44.49 | Infiltrator | Dagger2: What country are you in? |
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| 11:44.59 | Dagger2 | UK |
| 11:45.11 | Aleksander | Infiltrator, it's from .20 up I believe - http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-hardware-18/brother-dcp7030-scanner-invalid-argument-4175444547/ my problem |
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| 11:45.27 | zecrazytux | Zeeflo: no clue. the more the server writes, the more likely |
| 11:45.40 | zecrazytux | Zeeflo: http://www.percona.com/doc/percona-xtrabackup/ look at that |
| 11:46.02 | Infiltrator | Aleksander: Well, I would try lenny's one before going all the way back to sarge. |
| 11:46.22 | Infiltrator | Dagger2: Damn you guys and your cheap and good internect connections. :( |
| 11:46.27 | Infiltrator | Dagger2: Aussie here. :( |
| 11:46.36 | Infiltrator | s/internect/Internet/ |
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| 11:47.03 | Dagger2 | it's pretty sad that /our/ internet is considered good by comparison :( |
| 11:47.26 | Dagger2 | I mean, VM's cable network is pretty decent. BT's ADSL network? pff |
| 11:47.59 | Dagger2 | and BT are just institutionally incompetent |
| 11:48.28 | Infiltrator | Mate, we have a 10/10Mbps connection with only 200Gb usage costing us $5k/mnth... |
| 11:48.52 | Zeeflo | HAHAHA |
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| 11:49.23 | Zeeflo | Jesus christ! Youre getting buttfucked in the ass |
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| 11:49.34 | Infiltrator | Yeah... :( |
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| 11:49.41 | Zeeflo | I have a private 100/100 into my flat, and I pay 60 danish crowns a month |
| 11:49.49 | Infiltrator | zorrolero: Go to hell. :( |
| 11:49.49 | Zeeflo | which is.. 8 dollars |
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| 11:50.36 | Infiltrator | zorrolero: Sorry, mate. |
| 11:50.39 | Infiltrator | Zeeflo: ^ |
| 11:50.47 | Zeeflo | I believe you meant I should go to hell :D |
| 11:50.53 | Infiltrator | Indeed. |
| 11:50.53 | Zeeflo | you wanna know the best part? |
| 11:51.03 | Infiltrator | I don't think so. :'( |
| 11:51.08 | Zeeflo | Alright :) |
| 11:51.14 | Infiltrator | But do go on. |
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| 11:51.34 | plotino | hello |
| 11:51.36 | plotino | im very happy |
| 11:51.44 | plotino | this morningn i have installed wheezy |
| 11:51.45 | Zeeflo | 1st of march its getting upgraded, for no extra cost to a 155mbit connection |
| 11:51.50 | plotino | it's amazing |
| 11:51.54 | plotino | :) |
| 11:52.03 | Zeeflo | cause 100/100 is to slow for the routers or something |
| 11:52.04 | Zeeflo | haha |
| 11:52.11 | Infiltrator | o.0 |
| 11:52.19 | Infiltrator | cries |
| 11:52.38 | Zeeflo | wanna know how much data I can use on my line? |
| 11:52.41 | zecrazytux | Zeeflo: damn. I'm struggling with a 5-to-2 mbits shitty ADSL here... France... |
| 11:52.43 | Zeeflo | pr month |
| 11:52.44 | Infiltrator | I don't think that you could even get _dial-up_ here for $8/mnth. |
| 11:53.01 | Zeeflo | Theres absolutely NO limit! I can spend all I want ;) |
| 11:53.04 | tehrabbitt | how do I force-remove a package |
| 11:53.15 | Infiltrator | tehrabbitt: Why? |
| 11:53.21 | Zeeflo | tehrabbitt: apt-get purge package |
| 11:53.23 | tehrabbitt | for some reason, the "apt-get remove shorewall" insists on starting it, which fails because it's not configured. |
| 11:53.30 | tehrabbitt | purge does same thing :\ |
| 11:53.31 | Zeeflo | always also do a apt-get autoremove |
| 11:53.47 | Zeeflo | no autoclean |
| 11:53.51 | Infiltrator | tehrabbitt: You could low-level it with dpkg, probably. |
| 11:54.06 | Zeeflo | or use aptitude? |
| 11:54.15 | tehrabbitt | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:54.16 | tehrabbitt | configured to not write apport reports |
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| 11:54.47 | Infiltrator | What about dpkg-reconfiguring it? |
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| 11:54.54 | tehrabbitt | Infiltrator: it fails |
| 11:55.05 | tehrabbitt | all the init scripts want to "start" it.. even removing it |
| 11:55.06 | Zeeflo | just to be sure, when I have a .deb i wanna install.. I call dpkg --configure package.deb right? |
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| 11:55.40 | Infiltrator | tehrabbitt: Go hack the script, then? |
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| 11:55.45 | PerfDave | Zeeflo: Why are you installing .debs by hand? |
| 11:55.47 | zecrazytux | Zeeflo: -i |
| 11:55.50 | tehrabbitt | invoke-rc.d: initscript shorewall, action "restart" failed. |
| 11:55.50 | tehrabbitt | dpkg: error processing shorewall (--configure): |
| 11:55.50 | dpkg | tehrabbitt: That isn't an error, post the whole output to a pastebin (/msg dpkg pastebin). |
| 11:55.59 | Infiltrator | Zeeflo: Better to apt-get it. |
| 11:56.02 | tehrabbitt | k one sec. |
| 11:56.14 | Infiltrator | Zeeflo: And also what PerfDave said. |
| 11:56.32 | Zeeflo | its some mysql backup deb |
| 11:56.41 | Zeeflo | percona xtrabackup |
| 11:57.05 | tehrabbitt | http://paste.debian.net/226394/ |
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| 11:57.47 | Zeeflo | doesnt matter.. the deb file wont install |
| 11:58.19 | PerfDave | Zeeflo: So it's not a package from the Debian archive? |
| 11:58.24 | Zeeflo | no |
| 11:58.37 | Zeeflo | it needs dependencies, so it wont install |
| 11:58.43 | PerfDave | Zeeflo: What version of Debian are you running? |
| 11:58.57 | Zeeflo | 6 |
| 11:58.59 | Zeeflo | squeeze |
| 11:59.04 | Infiltrator | Zeeflo: And what about apt-get? That should install the deps. |
| 11:59.18 | tehrabbitt | why can't I delete it :\ |
| 11:59.20 | PerfDave | Hmm, sounds like this random package isn't designed for that version of Debian. Might not even be designed for Debian at all. |
| 11:59.24 | Zeeflo | Infiltrator, its not a package from the the archinves |
| 11:59.29 | tehrabbitt | and at this point, it won't even let me install or remove anything else |
| 11:59.30 | Zeeflo | http://www.percona.com/downloads/XtraBackup/LATEST/deb/squeeze/x86_64/ |
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| 12:00.07 | PerfDave | I'd ask Percona support for assistance. |
| 12:00.14 | Zeeflo | fuck em |
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| 12:00.51 | grafdiffuzor | xorg radeon driver has no xv support for me in squeeze-backports. Is there a way to fix it? |
| 12:00.56 | Zeeflo | ill create autobackups of the mysql databases through php. |
| 12:01.03 | Zeeflo | screw rsync and this percona |
| 12:01.46 | tehrabbitt | aptitude fixed it 0_o |
| 12:01.53 | Zeeflo | i told you |
| 12:02.06 | Infiltrator | Hahaha. aptitude does rox. |
| 12:02.14 | tehrabbitt | lol |
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| 12:02.25 | tehrabbitt | now if only aptitude could get ipv6 working for me xD |
| 12:02.36 | Zeeflo | dont count on it :D |
| 12:02.37 | Infiltrator | tehrabbitt: That's outside its scope. :P |
| 12:03.06 | tehrabbitt | lol |
| 12:03.32 | Zeeflo | when using rsync |
| 12:03.36 | Zeeflo | you define excludes.. |
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| 12:04.03 | Zeeflo | is there a reverse way? So you define only what you WANT instead of what you exclude? |
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| 12:05.02 | ectospasm | Zeeflo: there's --include... |
| 12:05.41 | tehrabbitt | so tunnelbroker is the best way? |
| 12:06.03 | Zeeflo | if you set your start dir to / then that would override the --include since its bound to be within / |
| 12:06.48 | tehrabbitt | if anyone can see this please tell me |
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| 12:07.18 | ectospasm | Zeeflo: see FILTER RULES in man rsync |
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| 12:11.09 | tehrabbitt | sixxs or he better for a tunnel? |
| 12:11.56 | Zeeflo | tunnel? |
| 12:12.02 | Zeeflo | what about pptpd |
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| 12:12.08 | Zeeflo | its pretty simple and works |
| 12:12.19 | ectospasm | stunnel is fairly simple as well |
| 12:12.25 | Zeeflo | use openvpn is you want to use encryption |
| 12:12.33 | Zeeflo | yes, stunnel is simple and works as well |
| 12:12.34 | ectospasm | ...or openssh |
| 12:12.48 | ectospasm | I use openssh tunnels all the time. |
| 12:12.58 | Zeeflo | i would go for pptpd if youre not familiar with vpn |
| 12:13.25 | Zeeflo | pptpd doesnt require a client as well |
| 12:13.57 | ectospasm | is pptpd encrypted? |
| 12:14.02 | Zeeflo | no |
| 12:14.05 | ectospasm | ... |
| 12:14.12 | ectospasm | then use stunnel, or openssh |
| 12:14.17 | Zeeflo | i mentioned that as well |
| 12:14.35 | pmo | when you do an ssh tunnel, remember to set it up do use the dns from the remote server :P |
| 12:14.38 | Zeeflo | "use openssh/openvpn" if you want to encrypt it |
| 12:14.39 | ectospasm | ...if you need a tunnel which has a certain level of longevity, then openvpn. |
| 12:14.59 | Zeeflo | but like i sais |
| 12:15.01 | Zeeflo | said |
| 12:15.20 | Zeeflo | why would someone use encryption if its not data that needs to be encrypted.. |
| 12:15.28 | Zeeflo | theres no need to oversimply. |
| 12:15.29 | pmo | an sshtunnel can stay connected as long as you want Zeeflo :P |
| 12:15.40 | Zeeflo | so? |
| 12:15.51 | ectospasm | Zeeflo: define "data that does not need to be encrypted." |
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| 12:16.01 | Zeeflo | ectospasm: browser data |
| 12:16.13 | Zeeflo | if you just wanna use your tunnel to browse the net |
| 12:16.22 | Zeeflo | example given |
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| 12:16.44 | ectospasm | I disagree, but then again I use EFF's tool to encrypt all the sites I go to... |
| 12:16.46 | Zeeflo | which is the most likely reason you would wanna tunnel |
| 12:16.53 | jacklk | hi i'm 11 what age will i grow a condom i heard to need to have one to be able to have safe sex |
| 12:16.59 | jacklk | will i grow one any time soon? |
| 12:17.00 | pmo | chromium ignito mode over "x over ssh" :P |
| 12:17.02 | Zeeflo | yea well.. Were not all securitymongers.. |
| 12:17.24 | Zeeflo | besides, when you browse the net from your regular desktop browser its not encrypted as well |
| 12:17.33 | ectospasm | Zeeflo: do you undress in front of open windows? |
| 12:17.41 | ectospasm | Zeeflo: mine is. |
| 12:17.53 | ectospasm | HTTPS everywhere, baby! |
| 12:18.04 | pmo | but thats ssl |
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| 12:18.11 | ectospasm | pmo: yes. |
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| 12:18.19 | Zeeflo | and you believe that the us government is after you as well, and that they are responsible for the 9/11 right. |
| 12:18.20 | pmo | sslstrip :D |
| 12:18.20 | Zeeflo | Dude.. |
| 12:18.27 | Zeeflo | seriously.. |
| 12:18.29 | Zeeflo | DONT oversimplify |
| 12:19.04 | ectospasm | Zeeflo: how is adding encryption oversimplification? |
| 12:19.07 | ectospasm | !ot |
| 12:19.07 | dpkg | #debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day. |
| 12:19.12 | Zeeflo | pptpd works great without ssl, and if its for browsing the net, its just fine for the 99.9% others who doesnt care about ssl on every website.. Baby! |
| 12:19.50 | ectospasm | Zeeflo: you probably use telnet on the WAN |
| 12:19.58 | Zeeflo | no i dont |
| 12:20.03 | Infiltrator | Hahaha telnet. |
| 12:20.09 | Infiltrator | That's low, ectospasm. |
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| 12:20.23 | Zeeflo | hes just being a tard about his SSL shit |
| 12:20.42 | Zeeflo | which he KNOWS is not necessary for the most part of web browsing |
| 12:20.56 | ectospasm | I dunno, I use SSH to do all my tunneling.. and I don't use tunneling for web browsing. |
| 12:21.08 | Infiltrator | Zeeflo: Neither is a web browser necessary. :) |
| 12:21.29 | Zeeflo | Infiltrator, nope, not when you Telnet everything haha |
| 12:21.34 | Zeeflo | come guys.. |
| 12:21.37 | ectospasm | I did not see where tehrabbitt was using this for web browsing. |
| 12:21.37 | Infiltrator | But, as ectospasm said, ot. |
| 12:21.42 | ectospasm | yes. |
| 12:21.44 | Zeeflo | Dont be spastic about it |
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| 12:22.06 | ectospasm | -.- |
| 12:22.24 | Zeeflo | "the world is not out to get you" |
| 12:22.28 | Zeeflo | chill! |
| 12:22.36 | Infiltrator | Cool it, gentlemen; each to their own and all that. |
| 12:23.22 | Zeeflo | Said the infiltrator :D |
| 12:23.37 | Infiltrator | Indeed I did. |
| 12:23.49 | ectospasm | we can continue this discussion in #debian-offtopic |
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| 12:29.59 | tehrabbitt | okay i'm officially confused lol |
| 12:30.00 | tehrabbitt | http://lightyearsoftware.com/2011/02/configure-debian-as-an-ipv6-router/ |
| 12:30.06 | tehrabbitt | followed that, used HE... |
| 12:30.09 | tehrabbitt | still won't route |
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| 12:44.58 | jacklk | Can Debian be installed on Windows phone? |
| 12:45.10 | jacklk | I have Nokia Lumia 7`0 |
| 12:45.10 | Zeeflo | WHAT? |
| 12:45.17 | jacklk | I have Nokia Lumia 710 |
| 12:45.18 | Zeeflo | well |
| 12:45.20 | PerfDave | jacklk: Possibly, but I wouldn't want to attempt it without being an expert :) |
| 12:45.22 | Infiltrator | Zeeflo: It's a valid question. |
| 12:45.23 | Zeeflo | it should be possible |
| 12:45.39 | Zeeflo | i thought he meant, in the windows part of it |
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| 12:46.33 | PerfDave | I'm not sure that the Debian arm builds are suitable for a lot of the hardware in phones; ARM chipsets differ a lot, which is why you get stuff like Raspian for the RaspPi |
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| 12:47.33 | PerfDave | I expect that if you installed Debian on a Windows Phone, it wouldn't work as a phone, anyway :) |
| 12:48.04 | jacklk | i don't need it as a phone, I already have a good phone |
| 12:48.26 | jacklk | I just think it would be cool to have a touch screen, small Linux device :P |
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| 12:51.13 | samba35 | is there any gui based syslog server |
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| 12:52.21 | PerfDave | I'm not sure what a GUI-based syslog server would even do. syslog is a daemon. |
| 12:52.28 | PerfDave | Do you want a GUI application for *reading* system logs? |
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| 12:58.05 | jacklk | Can Debian be installed on a phone? |
| 12:58.23 | Infiltrator | jacklk: It can; but it may not be easy. |
| 12:58.24 | PerfDave | jacklk: You already asked that. In theory, yes :) |
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| 13:00.17 | PerfDave | http://www.landofdroid.com/2012/android-nokia-lumia-710-800-step-closer/ is about installing Android, but the first stage you'll need is getting a new OS on the phone, whether it's Android or Debian. |
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| 13:02.07 | newuser77 | hi |
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| 13:03.22 | newuser77 | is it possible to install a debian into a chroot environment on a ubuntu box. i mean to have ubuntu as the "host system" and a debian from which i would like to run a graphical environment when needed |
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| 13:03.44 | jelly-home | newuser77: it is. You can use debootstrap. |
| 13:04.18 | jelly-home | setting up X and related environment might be a bit of a pain, but doable |
| 13:04.22 | PerfDave | newuser77: You're going to have a non-graphical Ubuntu install and run X from within Debian? |
| 13:04.24 | newuser77 | i know that you can run command line applications from system inside a chroot. but is xorg also possible? |
| 13:04.48 | newuser77 | PerfDave: yes pretty much. just playing around |
| 13:04.57 | PerfDave | newuser77: startx is a command-line application ;) If you've got everything set up with the chroot correctly (including bind mounts for /dev etc.) it *should* work. |
| 13:05.03 | Brigo | newuser77: yes, it is, like jelly-home just said. |
| 13:05.05 | jelly-home | newuser77: sure. What would be the purpose of this exercise? |
| 13:05.21 | PerfDave | You might want to look at running a Debian VM inside a graphical Ubuntu install instead, perhaps - might be eaiser. |
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| 13:07.17 | newuser77 | jelly-home: in the end i would like to have a debian as host which acts as a router with the option of running a graphical environment but not have all the gfx packages in the base system |
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| 13:07.30 | grafdiffuzor | how to downgrade xserver-xorg from squeeze-backports to squeeze? |
| 13:07.53 | newuser77 | jelly-home: just got some time on my hands... |
| 13:07.56 | nkuttler | grafdiffuzor: uninstall the backport and reinstall? |
| 13:08.06 | cusco | there is no downgrade support, however there should have been plenty of warning about upgrading |
| 13:08.58 | jelly-home | grafdiffuzor: you probably mean xserver-xorg-core, that's where the server binary is |
| 13:09.20 | cusco | but one could always try to uninstall x-server xorg, remove backports from sources.list and reinstall xorg |
| 13:10.01 | Infiltrator | What would happen if you tried to force a downgrade through apt*? |
| 13:10.11 | nkuttler | Infiltrator: how would you do that? |
| 13:10.15 | jelly-home | a moot point |
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| 13:11.28 | jelly-home | Infiltrator: to see the list of packages from squeeze-backports, one would use /msg dpkg bdo list; to do a downgrade, /msg dpkg partial downgrade |
| 13:12.01 | jelly-home | both apt-get and aptitude accept an install target parameter like packagename=version as well |
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| 13:14.38 | Infiltrator | jelly-home: I get how to; I mean what would happen if you did? cusco said that there is no downgrade support. |
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| 13:15.52 | michaelis | Hi. 3 of 4 USB ports don't work after suspend. I have tried everything. I have compared lsmod before and after. I have modprobe'd modules after. I have run scripts that reset's the USB ports, but nothing. What is wrong? I'm using 6.0.6 with an fujitsu lifebook ah532. |
| 13:15.59 | jelly-home | Infiltrator: what he means is package are not tested to make sure downgrade works |
| 13:16.12 | Infiltrator | jelly-home: Cool. |
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| 13:17.49 | jelly-home | Infiltrator: for packages that basically just bring files, a downgrade is simple and works provided the dependencies can be satisfied. Packages that upgrade their data format with newer versions, like database servers, might not work at all if downgraded |
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| 13:18.13 | jelly-home | same goes for packages that introduce incompatible changes to their config |
| 13:18.24 | Infiltrator | jelly-home: The usual caveat emptor; got it. |
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| 13:19.05 | jelly-home | "no support" means "it might break -- we won't care and don't report bugs since we made no promise for that to work" |
| 13:20.03 | jelly-home | apt tools do support installing lower versions of stuff in their syntax and won't stop you from doing it |
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| 13:20.20 | nullby7e | frozen wheezy |
| 13:21.37 | PerfDave | My wheezy's frozen too, it's pretty cold today. |
| 13:21.47 | Zeeflo | heh! |
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| 13:22.27 | Infiltrator | PerfDave: And you're on IRC? Don't you know the kind of damage that can cause? Get to a hospital, man! |
| 13:24.27 | vaillor2 | how to get an address from an interface eth1 ? |
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| 13:25.01 | Brigo | vaillor2: ficonfig eth1? |
| 13:25.05 | Brigo | ifconfig* |
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| 13:25.41 | vaillor2 | Brigo: root@debian-VM:~# ifconfig eth1 |
| 13:25.41 | vaillor2 | eth1 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 08:00:27:05:1b:d8 |
| 13:25.41 | vaillor2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:25.54 | jelly-home | also, vaillor2: ip addr show dev eth1 |
| 13:25.54 | Brigo | vaillor2: so eth1 has no ip |
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| 13:26.07 | vaillor2 | i know |
| 13:26.11 | vaillor2 | and how to get it? |
| 13:26.13 | PerfDave | eth1 isn't up either ;) |
| 13:26.21 | mmnicolas | vaillor2: can I make a guess ? |
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| 13:26.31 | Brigo | it eth1 connecting to dhcp server? |
| 13:26.36 | Towzzer | dhclient eth1 |
| 13:26.40 | PerfDave | vaillor2: Do you want to assign a specific address to eth1, or get one via DHCP from a router? |
| 13:26.53 | jelly-home | what's a router |
| 13:26.57 | jelly-home | hides |
| 13:27.06 | Towzzer | in england they say "rooter" |
| 13:27.15 | vaillor2 | PerfDave, yes |
| 13:27.16 | Towzzer | like someone who uses a root login is a "root'er |
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| 13:27.34 | PerfDave | vaillor2: That was an either-or question, "yes" isn't a useful answer :) |
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| 13:28.10 | vaillor2 | <PerfDave> vaillor2: Do you want to assign a specific address to eth1, or get one via DHCP from a router? <<<< the second |
| 13:28.39 | PerfDave | vaillor2: Right. Do you want to do this temporarily, or do you want it to happen every time you turn your computer on? |
| 13:29.12 | mmnicolas | vaillor2: so you changed the network card or MAC address in the vm config and it stopped working ? |
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| 13:29.48 | vaillor2 | <PerfDave> vaillor2: Right. Do you want to do this temporarily, or do you want it to happen every time you turn your computer on? <<< the second |
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| 13:30.19 | PerfDave | vaillor2: Are you using a graphical environment on your Debian system? |
| 13:30.23 | vaillor2 | <mmnicolas> vaillor2: so you changed the network card or MAC address in the vm config and it stopped working ? <<<<< i added a second adapter in vm guest, the first is in "nat" mode, and i added a second in bridge mode |
| 13:30.31 | vaillor2 | PerfDave, no, only shell |
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| 13:31.17 | PerfDave | vaillor2: OK. Then you need to edit your /etc/network/interfaces file and add a stanza for eth1. "man 5 interfaces" has details. |
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| 13:31.53 | BoozeWooz | Hello! I just aquired some e-reader thing and it runs linux. Im not sure what distro though as there is no lsb_release -a :o anyone here to help? |
| 13:32.07 | PerfDave | BoozeWooz: It's unlikely to be running stock Debian... |
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| 13:32.36 | PerfDave | vaillor2: Then you can use "ifup eth1" to set up eth1 according to the configuration in /etc/network/interfaces for now, and that'll be applied every time you boot (if you specify that) |
| 13:32.37 | vaillor2 | PerfDave, what i need to add in /etc/network/interfaces to automatically get the ip from dhcp? |
| 13:32.55 | michaelis | Hi. 3 of 4 USB ports don't work after suspend. I have tried everything. I have compared lsmod before and after. I have modprobe'd modules after. I have run scripts that reset's the USB ports, but nothing. What is wrong? I'm using 6.0.6 with an fujitsu lifebook ah532. |
| 13:32.56 | PerfDave | vaillor2: man 5 interfaces |
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| 13:34.06 | BoozeWooz | there seems no "dir" command, no dpkg hmm |
| 13:34.38 | PerfDave | BoozeWooz: Try asking ##linux |
| 13:34.45 | BoozeWooz | thanks |
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| 13:35.05 | jelly-home | michaelis: try using the kernel from backports and see if it fares better. |
| 13:35.19 | jelly-home | michaelis: /msg dpkg bdo kernel |
| 13:35.32 | vaillor2 | PerfDave, can you directly tell me the command to get address from dhcp? |
| 13:35.41 | PerfDave | vaillor2: No, you can read the manual. |
| 13:35.56 | jelly-home | which manual? |
| 13:36.02 | Towzzer | dhclient eth1 |
| 13:36.15 | PerfDave | jelly-home: man 5 interfaces, as previously mentioned :) |
| 13:36.29 | jelly-home | but that won't provide a command! |
| 13:36.30 | michaelis | jelly-home, Ok. Maybe I'll try that. |
| 13:36.45 | PerfDave | jelly-home: I've also mentioned ifup :) |
| 13:36.56 | jelly-home | oh, alrighty then |
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| 13:41.53 | Towzzer | jelly-home is where the jellyfish live? |
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| 13:42.19 | vaillor2 | PerfDave: iface eth0 inet dhcp ? |
| 13:42.22 | vaillor2 | PerfDave: iface eth1 inet dhcp ? |
| 13:43.39 | PerfDave | vaillor2: Yes, you probably want "auto eth1" as well to auto-configure on boot. |
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| 13:44.10 | vaillor2 | root@debian-VM:~# auto eth1 |
| 13:44.10 | vaillor2 | -bash: auto: command not found |
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| 13:44.41 | PerfDave | vaillor2: That's not something you type at a command prompt, it's something you put in the /etc/network/interfaces configuration file. |
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| 13:48.04 | llamaz | Hi, I'm having trouble setting up my wireless. Here's the command I used and the error I received: http://pastebin.com/1h89MJNB |
| 13:48.10 | llamaz | Could anyone assist me? |
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| 13:49.00 | llamaz | I'm using wheezy and recently patched its 3.2 kernel with a Ralink rt3290 wireless driver |
| 13:49.06 | PerfDave | llamaz: Blimey, that looks serious :) |
| 13:49.12 | llamaz | :S |
| 13:49.47 | PerfDave | llamaz: I assume you've got the basics - you've got an interface for the wireless card that shows up in "ifconfig -a" and iwconfig shows it supports wireless extensions? |
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| 13:51.20 | llamaz | Uh ra0 recognizes the wireless driver I installed and "iwlist scan" shows networks |
| 13:51.35 | llamaz | sorry ifconfig -a |
| 13:51.42 | PerfDave | Is this one of the drivers that comes directly from ralink? They're notoriously flakey :/ |
| 13:51.49 | llamaz | =( |
| 13:51.50 | llamaz | yeah |
| 13:51.58 | llamaz | I compiled it myself |
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| 13:52.17 | llamaz | Right after that I had a kernel panic when I tried to install something |
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| 13:52.53 | llamaz | I was kinda hoping that it would no longer be a problem as wheezy is updated |
| 13:53.11 | llamaz | The instability caused by the patch, that is |
| 13:53.45 | vaillor2 | PerfDave, how to set "insert mode" in vi, not vim ? |
| 13:54.00 | PerfDave | vaillor2: Same as in vim, i |
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| 13:54.05 | PerfDave | vaillor2: Or use nano or something :) |
| 13:54.36 | llamaz | brb |
| 13:55.34 | vaillor2 | PerfDave, no |
| 13:55.41 | vaillor2 | isn't the same as vim |
| 13:55.43 | cusco | or 'insert' key |
| 13:55.55 | cusco | to enter 'insert mode' its the same |
| 13:55.57 | PerfDave | *shrug* Always has been when I've used it. |
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| 13:56.06 | vaillor2 | no |
| 13:56.10 | cusco | o.O |
| 13:56.15 | vaillor2 | if i press i, it doesn't enter in insert mode |
| 13:56.21 | cusco | ok no, ask in #vi ? |
| 13:56.28 | Infiltrator | It's inherited from vi, so doesn't make sense that it's different. |
| 13:56.37 | Infiltrator | vaillor2: Waht happens when you press i? |
| 13:57.01 | vaillor2 | nothing, if i type something in the text, something strange happens |
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| 13:58.55 | vaillor2 | OK, and to save something in nano? |
| 13:59.00 | vaillor2 | alt + o ? |
| 13:59.37 | PerfDave | Ctrl-o |
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| 14:00.41 | Infiltrator | vaillor2: What about a, o, O, A? None of them take you into insert mode? |
| 14:00.52 | PerfDave | Infiltrator: I think we've moved on from there into nano :) |
| 14:01.39 | Infiltrator | Cool. Don't mind me, then. |
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| 14:06.58 | vaillor2 | ok, the problem is that debian repositories doesn't work |
| 14:07.06 | vaillor2 | and i can't install vim |
| 14:07.25 | PerfDave | vaillor2: Let's fix one thing at a time - have you managed to edit /etc/network/interfaces yet? |
| 14:07.33 | vaillor2 | Err http://ftp.it.debian.org/debian/ squeeze/main vim-runtime all 2:7.2.445+hg~cb94c42c0e1a-1 |
| 14:07.33 | vaillor2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:07.51 | vaillor2 | PerfDave, yes, internet works, well, eth1 got ip |
| 14:08.00 | PerfDave | vaillor2: That looks like your networking is messed up, not Debian's repositories. |
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| 14:08.20 | vaillor2 | root@debian-VM:~# ping google.com |
| 14:08.20 | vaillor2 | PING google.com (173.194.35.41) 56(84) bytes of data. |
| 14:08.20 | vaillor2 | 64 bytes from mil01s17-in-f9.1e100.net (173.194.35.41): icmp_req=1 ttl=53 time=41.0 ms |
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| 14:08.52 | wols_ | ftp.it.debian.org seems to be down |
| 14:09.45 | PerfDave | Yeah, fair enough |
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| 14:24.33 | masterkorp | hello |
| 14:24.57 | masterkorp | Why is the java plugin 1.6.0 a secury vulnerability ? |
| 14:25.10 | masterkorp | When its going to be updated in the repos ? |
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| 14:27.08 | masterkorp | I tough security updates were high priority in debian |
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| 14:27.55 | k4tfish | hi, is the wheezy version of hybrid-ircd is ssl able meanwhile? |
| 14:28.18 | invariant | During boot, I see ................. when grub is supposed to show the bootmenu. How can I make it not show .......... and boot faster? |
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| 14:31.35 | llamaz | In case anyone meets anyone that's having trouble with ralink drivers: After compiling ralink drivers (e.g. rt3290), wicd works if network-manager doesn't. However, you need to set the wireless interface to ra0 (normally it is wlan0) |
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| 14:35.18 | masterkorp | wow my iceweasel crashes |
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| 14:39.57 | aguitel | i am running wheezy with iceweasel 15.0 ,is this correct ? |
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| 14:43.03 | ivarela | hi, I have a question. I've translated and completed the "aptitude.po" file from this site: http://www.debian.org/international/l10n/po/ast |
| 14:43.13 | ivarela | but I don't know how to submit it... |
| 14:43.25 | ivarela | ...or where I must submit it. |
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| 14:45.51 | ivarela | any translator here? |
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| 14:46.04 | daniel-s | \join ##math |
| 14:46.11 | Armand | one more time? |
| 14:46.23 | daniel-s | \join ##math |
| 14:46.27 | daniel-s | :-( |
| 14:46.32 | Armand | .... /join |
| 14:46.34 | Armand | ¬_¬ |
| 14:46.35 | xauth | ivarela: submit a level minor bug to the package, and attach the po file. tag the bug with l10n and patch. |
| 14:46.38 | daniel-s | Why is that happening! |
| 14:46.46 | Armand | daniel-s.... /join |
| 14:46.51 | Guest72192 | Armand actually, no prefix. just JOIN ##math |
| 14:46.52 | daniel-s | Lol. I'm an idiot |
| 14:46.58 | xauth | ivarela: s/minor/wishlist/ |
| 14:47.05 | Armand | Guest72192, depends on the IRC client. ;) |
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| 14:47.22 | Armand | also, /j probably works too. |
| 14:47.35 | daniel-s | Nope. I'm not connecting via raw IRC |
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| 14:47.56 | Guest72192 | Armand What? Don't you irc with netcat? ;o |
| 14:48.04 | Armand | XChat, thanks.. |
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| 14:49.36 | osfd | Hi there. I just a computer with Win8 and UEFI. I can't find an easy step by step tutorial to install debian on it. Can you please tell me about one that would help me, please |
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| 14:50.48 | Yoshi1 | osfd: you could get a livedvd and burn it to a disk or use unetbootin to make a liveusb drive. you'll probably have to use gparted to shrink the windows drive unless your looking to format windows off your syste, |
| 14:51.35 | osfd | Yoshi1: this part is already done |
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| 14:52.06 | osfd | I succeded in booting and instaling the system but I have trouble with the bootloader install |
| 14:52.16 | osfd | and I think my partitioning is wrong |
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| 14:53.04 | Yoshi1 | osfd: what issues with the bootloader install |
| 14:53.22 | osfd | does not want to install... |
| 14:53.22 | Yoshi1 | osfd and how do you think your partitioning is wrong. or why do you think it is wrong |
| 14:53.39 | Yoshi1 | osfd: what does it say when you try to installl? |
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| 14:54.06 | osfd | because few things I read about that told about two partition (/boot and /boot/efi) which I did not do |
| 14:54.30 | ivarela | xauth can you provide me the link to fill a bug, please? |
| 14:54.59 | osfd | well, I'm just looking for a simple step by step install tut that I can simply follow and then come back with accurate details about the failing steps... |
| 14:55.04 | Yoshi1 | osfd: no you dont need a seperate /boot partition. my setup has / /usr /var /tmp /home |
| 14:55.04 | Yoshi1 | as seperate partitions |
| 14:55.12 | xauth | ivarela: You can submit it by email. I can forward an example to you. |
| 14:55.23 | Scatterbrain | Hi, button on my pavilion dv6 for toggling wireless. Crashes debian when pressed, need to reboot to another os and turn it back on to get debian working again. Any ideas what is happening? All I want to do is disable the key, should I just remap that key? Any ideas? |
| 14:55.27 | Yoshi1 | osfd: you can get away with just installing everything on one partition |
| 14:55.35 | f8l | ivarela: Or use bugreport. |
| 14:55.35 | ivarela | xauth, yes please. |
| 14:55.52 | osfd | Yoshi1: your computer was shipped with W8 ? |
| 14:56.01 | Yoshi1 | osfd: win7 |
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| 14:56.24 | xauth | ivarela: You're pgp id 495D85B7? |
| 14:57.13 | ivarela | 495D85B7 yes |
| 14:57.17 | f8l | ivarela: I mean reportbug… |
| 14:57.38 | Yoshi1 | osfd: but i dont think the version of windows really changes how you install debian |
| 14:57.46 | osfd | Yoshi1: the installer complained when I wanted to remove the UEFI partition |
| 14:57.57 | f8l | finds dpkg's bugreport factoid funny. |
| 14:58.13 | ivarela | f8l submitting with reportbug it's also a way i'm interested |
| 14:58.30 | osfd | Yoshi1: dunno... for what I know, my computer has UEFi and secure boot (that i disabled) |
| 14:58.52 | Yoshi1 | osfd: sorry cant help you there never even heard of a uefi partition |
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| 14:59.28 | osfd | Yoshi1: thank you anyway. |
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| 14:59.37 | aguitel | i am running wheezy with iceweasel 15.0 ,is this correct ? |
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| 15:00.45 | xauth | ivarela: should be in your gmail box about now. |
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| 15:01.26 | f8l | ivarela: Why don't you just install it and try it? |
| 15:01.45 | xauth | If you know what you want to send, reportbug is a bit too roundabout a way to do it. Just send an email and be done. |
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| 15:02.00 | ivarela | f8l I'm doing that. 2 minutes, please |
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| 15:04.54 | woshty | where would i find documentation on the config and dependency stuff at the beginning of init scripts? esp. how to tell update-rc.d to only run a script at start, what /lib/lsb/init-functions is exactly, and what chkconfig does? |
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| 15:07.19 | AimHere | http://www.debian.org/doc/ <- It's probably in here. 'Debian Reference' would be my first place to look |
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| 15:08.07 | PeanutGuy | http://bit.ly/UXqXjf |
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| 15:10.11 | f8l | woshty: man insserv |
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| 15:16.19 | k4tfish | hi, im trying to install hybrid-ircd from a src pkg in order to compile the ircd with ssl support |
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| 15:17.13 | PerfDave | k4tfish: Do you need to do that? |
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| 15:17.25 | k4tfish | but i never dealed with src pkgs before and getting an warning about a missing sig now |
| 15:17.29 | k4tfish | gpgv: keyblock resource `/root/.gnupg/trustedkeys.gpg': file open error |
| 15:17.29 | k4tfish | gpgv: Signature made Tue 19 Oct 2010 04:40:07 PM CEST using RSA key ID 4D6E25A8 |
| 15:17.30 | k4tfish | gpgv: Can't check signature: public key not found |
| 15:17.44 | k4tfish | how can i bybass the sig check? |
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| 15:18.28 | k4tfish | PerfDave, see "Due to licensing problems, ircd-hybrid is compiled without SSL support in Debian (i.e. when you grab the .deb package from apt). Compiling it with SSL yourself does not require many steps however, heres a quick dirty guide how its done. |
| 15:18.29 | k4tfish | Read it here" |
| 15:19.16 | PerfDave | Meh, silly people. |
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| 15:25.28 | CableNinja | running into a problem with hibernation. When I come back out of hibernation the battery no longer charges. It will hold the existing charge and drain, but if I plug it in, the system thinks its full, rebooting fixes the problem. any ideas? |
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| 15:26.55 | LtL | k4tfish: get the public key something like, gpg --keyserver pool.sks-keyservers.net --import-key 4D6E25A8 |
| 15:27.24 | LtL | k4tfish: man gpg |
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| 15:28.06 | LtL | k4tfish: a secure ircd is no easy task btw |
| 15:29.43 | k4tfish | LtL, thx for that hint with gpg |
| 15:30.14 | k4tfish | LtL, why do u think it isn't easy to deal with the src version? |
| 15:30.23 | LtL | k4tfish: you're welcome, you need to add that key to your keyring |
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| 15:31.20 | aguitel | i am running wheezy with iceweasel 15.0 ,is this correct ? |
| 15:31.24 | LtL | k4tfish: i was an undernet oper, ircd servers are not quite that simple, period. |
| 15:31.48 | PerfDave | aguitel: How do you mean, "Is this correct"? We don't know what you're running :) |
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| 15:32.18 | aguitel | PerfDave, wheezy |
| 15:32.35 | PerfDave | aguitel: What are you actually trying to ask? |
| 15:33.01 | aguitel | PerfDave,coz this 15.0 is old |
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| 15:33.29 | PerfDave | aguitel: Have you tried updating it? |
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| 15:34.11 | aguitel | PerfDave,with default wheezy sources.list ,no updates found |
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| 15:35.26 | PerfDave | aguitel: OK. So you're running the latest version in wheezy. |
| 15:35.29 | LtL | k4tfish: if youre compiling you always need the source, so i don't know what you mean actually. |
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| 15:35.42 | aguitel | PerfDave, yes |
| 15:36.09 | PerfDave | aguitel: So what's your question? |
| 15:36.39 | aguitel | PerfDave, why wheezy use iceweasel 15.0? |
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| 15:36.45 | k4tfish | LtL, yep I know how to compile - i just tried the way with apt |
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| 15:36.58 | wathek | Hi everybody |
| 15:36.58 | PerfDave | aguitel: Why not? |
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| 15:37.06 | aguitel | PerfDave,coz this 15.0 is old |
| 15:37.10 | LtL | k4tfish: just get the publuc key, shouldnt be difficult |
| 15:37.15 | PerfDave | aguitel: Wheezy doesn't get new versions of packages. It's frozen. |
| 15:37.24 | wathek | how can I fix the charset encoding of bash ? I'm having strange chars like "T�che" |
| 15:37.29 | aguitel | PerfDave, ok |
| 15:37.29 | LtL | public* [its dark here] |
| 15:37.40 | Zeeflo | how do I tell the system to use nano as default editor? |
| 15:37.56 | richardk | Zeeflo, export EDITOR=nano ? |
| 15:37.58 | k4tfish | LtL, is there any advantage compling why apt compare to do it by hand? |
| 15:38.26 | PerfDave | aguitel: If you want to always run the latest version, see http://mozilla.debian.net/ |
| 15:38.38 | osfd | ok, so right now I'm about to partition my disk |
| 15:38.44 | aguitel | PerfDave, ok |
| 15:38.48 | PerfDave | wathek: What does "echo $LANG" say? |
| 15:38.55 | osfd | I'm in expert graphical mode |
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| 15:39.32 | wathek | PerfDave, fr_FR |
| 15:39.38 | LtL | k4tfish: apt will do a very basic install. i never used that. the ircd.conf is where the hard part is. |
| 15:39.52 | PerfDave | wathek: OK, sounds like you need a UTF8-capable setup. |
| 15:40.11 | wathek | hmm |
| 15:40.22 | PerfDave | !tell wathek about utf8 |
| 15:40.24 | PerfDave | !tell wathek about locales |
| 15:40.46 | wathek | thanks |
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| 15:45.44 | woshty | f8l: thx, that is what i was looking for, forgot the name |
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| 15:46.19 | f8l | woshty: You are welcome. |
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| 15:47.56 | woshty | how would i go about starting something in the background from a start script? is there something nicer than &? |
| 15:48.26 | f8l | woshty: start-stop-daemon probably. |
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| 15:49.35 | coolguy4 | I have installed Wheezy on a laptop and I seem to get intermittant lock-ups. Certain programs seem to consistently freeze the system, such as running ifconfig or iwconfig. I also experienced freezing when I ran reboot. How should I go about debugging this? I am guessing I need to go through every kernel module in lsmod and check to see if there is a non-free version. |
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| 15:51.13 | woshty | f8l: yeah, thought about that, but it is complex, and i do not need the control or shutdown stuff .. i just need background and redirect output |
| 15:51.19 | jhutchins | coolguy4: I would look at networking - is that functional other than the lockups? |
| 15:51.39 | coolguy4 | ethernet works, wifi doesn't |
| 15:52.25 | k4tfish | LtL, yep.. I go with the src without apt. my ircd is already conf'd and working... I just want and need ssl now |
| 15:52.29 | coolguy4 | I actually tried to install the manufacturer wifi driver |
| 15:53.03 | f8l | woshty: And the program you are trying to run doesn't work as a daemon normally… Then I can't think of other options. |
| 15:53.16 | zykotick9 | woshty: as an alternative approch, you could lauch the app in tmux/screen perhaps? |
| 15:53.18 | LtL | k4tfish: then you'll need an SSL certificate, and further configuration. |
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| 15:53.37 | k4tfish | LtL, I have that already ;) |
| 15:53.50 | Zeeflo | question: how can i define the mysql password for root user in the mysqldump command? |
| 15:54.05 | Zeeflo | mysqldump -u root -p PASSWORD? etc etc |
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| 15:54.13 | LtL | k4tfish: then the documentation should guide you |
| 15:54.13 | Zeeflo | its still charging me with the password. |
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| 15:55.37 | f8l | Zeeflo: Try `dpkg-reconfigure mysql-server`. |
| 15:55.38 | Zeeflo | got it |
| 15:55.42 | Zeeflo | what? |
| 15:55.45 | Zeeflo | nono |
| 15:55.48 | Zeeflo | i got it |
| 15:56.01 | f8l | Zeeflo: OK. |
| 15:56.12 | Zeeflo | now, if I make a crontab to dump the mysql database to a file called whatever.sql |
| 15:56.12 | woshty | f8l, zykotick9: thx .. there actually is a way to have the app i am trying to start fork to the background properly, as i just found out :/ |
| 15:56.28 | Zeeflo | with it then auto-overwrite the old file when crontab runs? |
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| 15:56.32 | LtL | k4tfish: good luck, got to go :) |
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| 15:56.48 | Zeeflo | will it then** |
| 15:56.49 | k4tfish | LtL, yeps :D |
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| 15:57.39 | f8l | Zeeflo: Probably yes. It depends how you dump it. |
| 15:57.56 | Zeeflo | >mysql.sql |
| 15:58.01 | Zeeflo | > mysql.sql |
| 15:58.04 | Zeeflo | just like that |
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| 16:00.05 | Zeeflo | and yes, it just overwrites it |
| 16:00.33 | Zeeflo | can I force crontab to run now? |
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| 16:02.38 | f8l | Zeeflo: >file overrides unless your shell has a no-clobber option set, >>file appends. How forcing crontab to run is different from running the script by hand? Except for the uid… |
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| 16:04.18 | Zeeflo | to test its working |
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| 16:12.30 | Yoshi1 | hmmm i see the sound thing where only one application can be using the sound at the same time is still here |
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| 16:12.39 | hjf | how do i create a GDB package for mipsel-elf32? |
| 16:12.47 | hjf | it's for debugging an embedded system |
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| 16:13.21 | hjf | i mean, host linux amd64, target mipsel. with ./configure --target=mipsel-elf32 i can build from source |
| 16:13.48 | hjf | but GDB_TARGET="mipsel-elf32" debian/rules binary won't let me do it. it says it's not a valid debian architecture |
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| 16:16.17 | Night_Elf | Hi all. Where does Evolution store the passwords for the pop accounts? I use Debian 6.0 with Evolution 2.30.3 and I need to recover a long ago configured account info. |
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| 16:19.26 | Night_Elf | Online legends say I should look at ~/.gnome2_private/Evolution but I have no "Evolution" directory in there. |
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| 16:22.58 | Night_Elf | Hello? Does one need to ask only kernel and libc questions in order to be noticed ? |
| 16:23.37 | k4tfish | Night_Elf, dunno, but i guess in the keyring |
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| 16:25.23 | Night_Elf | k4tfish: I can't seem to find it... |
| 16:26.11 | Jaleks | how do i replace dpkg with dpkg:amd64 - or: how do i set the base architecture for dpkg to amd64? |
| 16:26.48 | dvs | Jaleks: reinstall |
| 16:26.59 | jhutchins | Jaleks: You reinstall. |
| 16:27.48 | jhutchins | !patience | Night_Elf |
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| 16:28.08 | jhutchins | !patience |
| 16:28.09 | dpkg | The people here are volunteers, your attitude should reflect that. Answers are not always available. |
| 16:28.18 | jhutchins | Sigh. Answers vary by channel. |
| 16:28.30 | dorphalsig | Hey guys |
| 16:28.32 | jhutchins | Night_Elf: I run kde and xfce. |
| 16:28.46 | zykotick9 | jhutchins: this isn't #u ;) you need to use "!tell NICK about FOO" |
| 16:29.02 | jhutchins | zykotick9: Like I said, results vary by channel. |
| 16:29.33 | dorphalsig | I have a quantum tape drive and when I try to list the contnts of the tape I get this error: |
| 16:29.34 | dorphalsig | ar (child): /dev/st0: Cannot read: Input/output error |
| 16:29.57 | Jaleks | reinstall like 'apt-get install --reinstall dpkg:amd64' leaves me with a broken dpkg |
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| 16:30.31 | dvs | Jaleks: reinstall from iso (the entire system) |
| 16:30.34 | zykotick9 | Jaleks: "reinstall" the OS, not the package... going from 32->64 |
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| 16:33.00 | dorphalsig | I have a quantum tape drive and when I try to list the contnts of the tape I get this error: tar (child): /dev/st0: Cannot read: Input/output error |
| 16:33.02 | Jaleks | that is what i did not want - is there no workaround to get amd64 packages as default setting? |
| 16:33.11 | dvs | no |
| 16:33.27 | jhutchins | Jaleks: We're not sure what you're doing, but you can't change architectures with apt/dpkg. |
| 16:34.55 | Jaleks | what i have done so far is to put my disk with my current i386 installation my new amd64 box. now i would be glad to not only switch the kernel but also set dpkg to use amd64 as default not only as foreign-architecture |
| 16:35.00 | engla | you could reinstall with debootstrap |
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| 16:36.21 | Jaleks | debootstrap won't protect me of reinstalling nearly every package, or would it in any way? this is what i am trying to prevent |
| 16:36.54 | engla | you are on your own, it is not supported |
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| 16:38.52 | jhutchins | Jaleks: We're trying to tell you you can't do that. You need a new installation. |
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| 16:40.00 | dorphalsig | Hello :) I'm trying to set up a tape drive in debian, but it seems to have gotten the better of me. Can anybody help me out? When trying to read contents of a tape I get this error tar (child): /dev/st0: Cannot read: Input/output error |
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| 16:42.11 | zitter|mobile | anyone can suggest me a working minimal debian img for raspberry pi, please? |
| 16:42.39 | Jaleks | well, thx for the information |
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| 16:49.06 | jhutchins | dorphalsig: http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/SCSI-2.4-HOWTO/st.html http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Hardware-HOWTO/tape.html |
| 16:49.08 | ChrisH | dorphalsig: what kind of tape drive? IO Error sounds like an issue with the Drive itself or the tape |
| 16:49.24 | jhutchins | ... or using the wrong virtual device. |
| 16:49.33 | dorphalsig | ChrisH: DLT-VS80 |
| 16:50.37 | dorphalsig | jhutchins: How do I know if Im using the wrong device?? |
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| 16:55.10 | jhutchins | dorphalsig: Read the material linked above. |
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| 16:57.28 | jhutchins | dorphalsig: different systems handle different drives differently, so there's no fixed answer for you. |
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| 16:58.34 | Rix | is wheezy expected soon (stable) |
| 16:58.58 | Towzzer | probably feb/march |
| 16:59.18 | Arrowmaster | thats just a guess but its probably a good guess |
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| 17:04.14 | yeehi | 1) Does Quantal on a SSD need manual configuration to have TRIM happen? (I think so: http://www.webupd8.org/2013/01/enable-trim-on-ssd-solid-state-drives.html ) 2) Is there a package that we can install, that will set this up automatically for us? Thank you! |
| 17:04.45 | ChrisH | dorphalsig: does lshw -short and/or cat /proc/scsi/scsi show the tape? you might want to pastebin that output to paste.debian.net |
| 17:04.55 | Towzzer | you need to use a fs that supports trim, like ext4 |
| 17:04.58 | Towzzer | then there is a mount option |
| 17:05.06 | Towzzer | it's not like windows 7 which is automatic with ntfs |
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| 17:06.09 | ChrisH | DLT-VS80 sounds like a "simple" single DLT4 drive. No robotic, not changer. |
| 17:07.17 | osfd | Hi there |
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| 17:07.54 | osfd | who knows about UEFI ?? what option should I set in bios to do UEFi boot and then install debian in UEFI mode, please |
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| 17:08.19 | osfd | abviously last wheezy beta is supposed to handle this all alone |
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| 17:08.57 | oldsurehand | hi guys do you know how to make debian pre-installed nvidia drivers againt nouveau |
| 17:08.58 | Rix | thanks Towzzer I will put squeeze for now |
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| 17:09.08 | DiSecundo | hi |
| 17:09.08 | jhutchins | yeehi: Need to ask in #ubuntu, this is #debian |
| 17:09.18 | oldsurehand | for debian |
| 17:09.23 | Towzzer | rix, you can use wheezy |
| 17:09.29 | DiSecundo | what i s good channel to ask about visual c++ IDE ? |
| 17:09.30 | Towzzer | a debian testing is basically like a stable everywhere else |
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| 17:09.39 | Rix | :) |
| 17:09.41 | osfd | DiSecundo: vim ? |
| 17:09.43 | Towzzer | seriously |
| 17:09.49 | Rix | will it be much different from the release in feb/march |
| 17:09.50 | DiSecundo | osfd vim? whats that |
| 17:09.55 | Towzzer | disecudno, there is a great gui from the makers of eclipse |
| 17:10.03 | Towzzer | http://www.eclipse.org/cdt/ |
| 17:10.08 | Towzzer | for c/c__ |
| 17:10.12 | Towzzer | c++* |
| 17:10.20 | DiSecundo | but i need to talk about visual c++ |
| 17:10.28 | Rix | and will all libraries be fine, i'm going to use a lot of compiling tools |
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| 17:10.32 | DiSecundo | this is the requirement of my current employer |
| 17:10.36 | osfd | DiSecundo: best text editor ever -- not easy to handle at first time though |
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| 17:10.42 | Towzzer | sorry, I mis-read what you were asking, I thought you wanted a gui c++ ide |
| 17:10.43 | DiSecundo | his projcet is already started |
| 17:10.52 | DiSecundo | Towzzer no worries |
| 17:11.09 | ChrisH | thinks, talking about visual C++ does not help.. replacing might :) SCNR |
| 17:11.15 | Towzzer | are you making windows applications |
| 17:11.19 | DiSecundo | yes |
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| 17:11.26 | Towzzer | then you want to use microsoft's .net suite |
| 17:11.34 | jhutchins | DiSecundo: Isn't visuall c++ a microsoft development environment? |
| 17:11.43 | DiSecundo | jhutchins it is |
| 17:11.44 | dvs | cringes |
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| 17:12.08 | jhutchins | DiSecundo: I don't know if you'll find irc support then, but you might check in ##windows. |
| 17:12.14 | Towzzer | http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/vstudio/aa718325.aspx - microsoft visual studio |
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| 17:12.27 | jhutchins | DiSecundo: There is, of course, teh googles. |
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| 17:12.42 | LtL | oldsurehand: squeeze or wheezy? |
| 17:12.46 | DiSecundo | jhutchins thanks |
| 17:12.51 | oldsurehand | wheezy |
| 17:13.14 | oldsurehand | my GPU nvidia 9800 gt |
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| 17:13.25 | oldsurehand | it is so loud with nouveau |
| 17:13.35 | LtL | !tell oldsurehand -about wheezy nvidia dkms |
| 17:14.01 | LtL | !tell oldsurehand about nvidia dkms wheezy |
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| 17:15.33 | LtL | oldsurehand: its not too hard, i've seen those commands fail, it may have been the user, but with headers, blacklist, and a /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-nvidia.conf .. it works |
| 17:15.47 | osfd | at least what kind of setings should I set to BIOS (or equivalent for uefi) and then I can make sure I launch debian installer with UEFI support ? |
| 17:15.58 | oldsurehand | i tried really but i can't work in this loud |
| 17:16.48 | LtL | oldsurehand: define "loud"? |
| 17:17.09 | trakinas | Im trying to follow bind9 wiki tutorial (wiki.debian.org/Bind9), but Im having a different result after generating the new key. In the wiki , it says after using the dnssec-key command, my file with the old key will have this new key. however, i still have the old key. |
| 17:17.36 | woshty | somehow virtualbox packages a slightly broken, are there update otw? |
| 17:17.48 | oldsurehand | GPU works very loudy wheel works very fast |
| 17:17.56 | oldsurehand | you know what i mean? |
| 17:18.44 | LtL | oldsurehand: i think so, works hard with nouveau? |
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| 17:19.25 | oldsurehand | yes i think that's drivers fault |
| 17:19.46 | LtL | oldsurehand: then try the dkms nvidia driver |
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| 17:20.17 | oldsurehand | can i install it with operating system both? |
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| 17:20.23 | oldsurehand | like windows |
| 17:21.12 | LtL | oldsurehand: now you lost me, if you are dual-booting it won't affect windows. |
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| 17:22.22 | oldsurehand | listen i already work with windows i have no dual booting. But i want to install debian with nvidia drivers |
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| 17:22.47 | oldsurehand | sorry for english |
| 17:22.49 | oldsurehand | anyway |
| 17:23.23 | LtL | oldsurehand: with wheezy, or squeeze, nouveau needs to be blacklisted, update-initramfs -u, configure a xorg.conf like dpkg told you. you will first need the appropriate kernel headers to begin |
| 17:23.55 | oldsurehand | but i was asking if i can do it working in windows machine |
| 17:24.00 | oldsurehand | it is important to me |
| 17:24.12 | oldsurehand | as i said i can't work in this loud |
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| 17:24.44 | LtL | oldsurehand: i don't understand what MS windows has to do with this.. it does not. |
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| 17:25.19 | trakinas | LtL: he meant to say that the noise of his machine while on Debian distrubs him. so he wants to know if he can use windows to configure his debian install |
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| 17:25.30 | oldsurehand | i am working on windows now so i want to do it with this system |
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| 17:25.43 | oldsurehand | is it weird? |
| 17:25.48 | LtL | trakinas: ok thanks |
| 17:26.17 | trakinas | LtL: np! |
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| 17:27.09 | LtL | oldsurehand: if your are runing windows you go to amd.com and use thier driver. it can be done from a windows box *to* a debian machine via ssh. does that work for you? |
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| 17:27.40 | LtL | their* driver. |
| 17:27.43 | Rockj | Q: I'm trying to use live-build to build a live encrypted usb drive, but lb_config doesn't seem to have the «-e» (encryption) option as shown in the manual for lb_config in ubuntu etc. I know this is Debian I'm just wondering if debian doesnt support encrypted live cd's? |
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| 17:30.20 | LtL | trakinas: i still don't understand the noise business |
| 17:30.26 | oldsurehand | Ltl: so i should have two machines? i can't just put appropriate files in the live cd? |
| 17:30.43 | oldsurehand | LtL: but i will try anyway |
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| 17:30.52 | trakinas | LtL: some offboard video cards have really noisy fans. |
| 17:31.20 | LtL | oldsurehand: why not use the debian to fix the debian? |
| 17:31.53 | trakinas | LtL: it depends on the manufacturer. I have an ATI Sapphire and its not that noisy, whatever if in Linux or Win. |
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| 17:32.42 | LtL | trakinas: replace the fan or live with that. the nvidia driver might only heat the GPU less. |
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| 17:33.54 | trakinas | anyway, would anyone know why dnssec wont change my keys like it says it would on debian wiki? |
| 17:33.58 | oldsurehand | LtL: i would install this fck gpu but there is another problem with debian |
| 17:34.11 | tehrabbitt | hello |
| 17:34.15 | LtL | oldsurehand: all this can be done in minutes from a debian machine. it can also be done from a remote machine. |
| 17:34.28 | Electrical | Hi all. i know this is kind of cursing in the church.. i got a CentOS server running my local mirrors. now i would like to setup a mirror for debian packages for several debian servers.. is that even possible? |
| 17:34.29 | oldsurehand | LtL: i have wireless card ralink |
| 17:34.49 | oldsurehand | LtL: ah, d-link |
| 17:35.04 | oldsurehand | LtL: DWA-127 |
| 17:35.40 | oldsurehand | LtL: without net connection i can't install drivers to it funny :D |
| 17:35.47 | LtL | oldsurehand: you may need the firmware-ralink package. |
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| 17:36.26 | LtL | oldsurehand: oh, i see no net. you can get all these things at packages.debian.org |
| 17:37.25 | oldsurehand | i will pracitse on virtual machine mabye ;D |
| 17:37.29 | oldsurehand | thanks much |
| 17:37.46 | wols_ | oldsurehand: that won't help. the VM doesn't have your wlan hardware |
| 17:37.56 | LtL | oldsurehand: transfer from windows on cd or usb and use dpkg -i <package> to install. you still need to update-initramfs manually as well as the /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-nvidia.conf file. |
| 17:38.06 | osfd | any help, please ? |
| 17:38.18 | wols_ | LtL: shouldn't a wheezy with firmware image have all he need for his ralink? |
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| 17:38.32 | wols_ | UEFI |
| 17:38.47 | oldsurehand | LtL: i think you are wrong to VM. it can have my wlan hardware |
| 17:38.55 | oldsurehand | it's USB card |
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| 17:41.55 | LtL | wols_: I don't know, i'm having a hard time understanding the situation(s) here :) |
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| 17:45.18 | osfd | let's say I gonna try with b4 |
| 17:45.20 | osfd | debian-wheezy-DI-b4-amd64-xfce-CD-1.iso |
| 17:46.15 | LtL | oldsurehand: i didn't know there was a VM involved. |
| 17:47.29 | oldsurehand | LtL: if you don't trust me check it. I could made a mistake. |
| 17:48.05 | LtL | oldsurehand: I trust you, i guess i just don't understand what you are working on or with. |
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| 17:49.11 | oldsurehand | LtL: so i think it will be a great mystery for your whole life |
| 17:49.14 | oldsurehand | ;D |
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| 17:49.32 | LtL | oldsurehand: I guess so. |
| 17:49.57 | LtL | oldsurehand: you never mentioned a virtual machine |
| 17:50.14 | oldsurehand | LtL: rly? |
| 17:50.56 | LtL | oldsurehand: 11:24 < oldsurehand> but i was asking if i can do it working in windows machine |
| 17:51.17 | LtL | oldsurehand: you never mentioned a VM |
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| 17:51.47 | oldsurehand | yes because i want only to practise on VM |
| 17:52.00 | oldsurehand | understood? |
| 17:52.25 | LtL | oldsurehand: I imagine you could do it from the VM |
| 17:53.23 | oldsurehand | yep it is possible to install gpu drivers with vm? |
| 17:53.29 | wols_ | no |
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| 17:53.49 | wols_ | well, you can with kvm. but that's a LOT harder actually as if you did it on the real hardware |
| 17:54.13 | Rix | I'm trying to install debian 6.0.6 using usb stick.. mounted image and everything started fine, even I've chosen language and keyboard map and then the installation process says it is looking for a cd and it cant find it |
| 17:54.21 | LtL | wols_: thank you, I have little experience with VM's. |
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| 17:54.58 | oldsurehand | what about nvidia .run file? |
| 17:55.29 | LtL | oldsurehand: I would avoid that driver like the plague. |
| 17:56.19 | LtL | oldsurehand: /msg dpkg nvidia dkms nvidia |
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| 18:00.01 | LtL | oldsurehand: my mistake, /msg dpkg nvidia dkms wheezy |
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| 18:01.38 | oldsurehand | LtL: i was wondering... what is this? |
| 18:01.45 | trakinas | anyone can help? Im trying to follow Debian's tutorial on Bind9. but I cant replicate key to my new key file. http://pastebin.com/GV1WWqnu -- these are the contents of my file after dnssec command. |
| 18:02.18 | trakinas | oldsurehand: probably an install file. read the README file if there is one. |
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| 18:02.42 | LtL | oldsurehand: the /msg thing? dpkg is a bot, /msg dpkg for instructions to install the dkms nvidia driver |
| 18:02.42 | trakinas | *my files |
| 18:03.04 | oldsurehand | LtL: ok i'll check it |
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| 18:03.52 | LtL | oldsurehand: the .run file sounds like nvidia.com's driver which has been known to make a mess. dpkg's method works i've done it. |
| 18:05.18 | trakinas | so, no one with bind9 basic knowledge? |
| 18:05.53 | oldsurehand | LtL: i will try of course |
| 18:06.02 | LtL | trakinas: there is a #bind channel, maybe they can help. |
| 18:06.37 | trakinas | alrigh! since i ws using debian guide, i thought i could get a hand here. thanks, anyway. |
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| 18:09.56 | Guest97611 | hey, i just installed squeeze on my computer. can I upgrade it somehow to wheezy or do I have to reinstall? |
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| 18:10.24 | wols_ | Guest97611: you can |
| 18:10.44 | Guest97611 | @wols_ cool how do i do that? |
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| 18:14.28 | dioz | Guest97611: update your /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 18:14.33 | dioz | change all the squeeze to wheezy |
| 18:14.45 | dioz | run apt-get update && apt-get upgrade |
| 18:14.52 | dioz | buuuuut |
| 18:15.18 | dioz | there's always a possibility that might wreck stuff |
| 18:15.27 | Guest97611 | ah i see |
| 18:15.39 | dioz | i've done it on some bare-install systems |
| 18:15.43 | dioz | and it worked no problem |
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| 18:16.19 | Guest97611 | i actually like having things stable that's why i did install squeeze from the first place. but i heard that it's updates like once or twice a year |
| 18:16.57 | dioz | well... the only thing "Stable" about it is the packages and how they work with the `system' |
| 18:17.03 | dioz | like... |
| 18:17.17 | dioz | out of the box debian stable is stable because people have gone through and kind of checked all that stuff |
| 18:17.25 | CableNinja | would it be bad to ctrl+z a move operation so I can put it in screen? |
| 18:17.48 | dioz | CableNinja: jobs, fg # |
| 18:17.54 | CableNinja | ? |
| 18:17.56 | CableNinja | what |
| 18:18.28 | dioz | control z sends to background |
| 18:18.29 | trakinas | CableNinja: fg number_of_your_job will bring the proccess you backgrounded with control+z |
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| 18:18.36 | dioz | jobs shows your whatis your background |
| 18:18.40 | dioz | fg # allows you to bring it back |
| 18:18.48 | CableNinja | trakinas, dioz I know that, but would it break the move operation? |
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| 18:18.52 | CableNinja | oh, wait |
| 18:18.59 | CableNinja | I thought ctrl+z paused the operation |
| 18:19.02 | CableNinja | >.> |
| 18:19.04 | CableNinja | >.< |
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| 18:19.18 | dioz | tiafo |
| 18:19.26 | CableNinja | ffff |
| 18:19.30 | trakinas | I'm almost giving of bind9 for now. |
| 18:19.31 | CableNinja | I cant fg it once in screen |
| 18:19.41 | dioz | what does it say when you try? |
| 18:19.42 | trakinas | *giving up |
| 18:19.48 | CableNinja | dioz: that theres no jobs |
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| 18:20.05 | trakinas | CableNinja: so he bg job finished already |
| 18:20.11 | CableNinja | trakinas: no it hasn |
| 18:20.16 | CableNinja | I fg'd it, its still running |
| 18:20.34 | trakinas | i see |
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| 18:21.08 | CableNinja | fuck |
| 18:21.10 | CableNinja | :| |
| 18:21.10 | Rockj | ctrl+z . bg . no need for screen. |
| 18:21.16 | dioz | ^ lol |
| 18:21.18 | CableNinja | heh |
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| 18:21.22 | CableNinja | facepalms |
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| 18:22.27 | dioz | CableNinja: |
| 18:22.46 | dioz | http://monkeypatch.me/blog/move-a-running-process-to-a-new-screen-shell.html |
| 18:22.56 | dioz | i have never tried it myself |
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| 18:25.25 | CableNinja | dioz: nice find, I'll have to try that next time |
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| 18:26.11 | CableNinja | thanks for the help guys |
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| 18:31.43 | Jaleks | kk, i just used ar, tar and then the new dpkg to replace my i386 versions of dpkg, libc6, libstdc++6, apt libapt-pkg4.12, with amd64 versions - lets see how long i will survive ^^ (and 'no': i will not come around crying, when all is broken after 'apt-get -f') |
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| 18:33.09 | Rockj | Jaleks: good luck ;-) |
| 18:33.52 | Jaleks | 8-) |
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| 18:40.20 | grandie | aptitude loads a lot of language "de, etc" files, 1. are they needed, if not 2. how do i delete them all and make them stay away. |
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| 18:41.17 | wols_ | grandie: what's your locale? |
| 18:42.23 | grandie | i'm in germany, but i referring to all the other languages. |
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| 18:42.38 | wols_ | !localepurge |
| 18:43.15 | wols_ | grandie: apt-cache show localepurge |
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| 18:44.16 | grandie | sorry about that, i want to keep the english and german if possible |
| 18:44.25 | engla | localepurge can do that |
| 18:45.08 | grandie | will it keep that configuration or will i need to do something else for next update/upgrade |
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| 18:47.30 | wols_ | I suggest you read the documentation for it? |
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| 18:47.43 | grandie | currently on the man page |
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| 18:53.46 | grandie | thanks all for helping me get rid of all those unneeded languages, i feel better already |
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| 19:03.16 | companion | how can I grand ALL users read/write permission to my external hard drive wile mounted with FSTAB, here are my mount options: rw,user,exec,umask=000 |
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| 19:05.19 | mmnicolas | companion: put them all in a group |
| 19:05.34 | companion | mmnicolas, their its in group: root:users |
| 19:05.39 | mmnicolas | then use gid= in your fstab option |
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| 19:05.53 | sirToast | dmask=000,fmask=000 |
| 19:05.54 | companion | gid=users |
| 19:06.02 | sirToast | if it's NTFS |
| 19:06.03 | mmnicolas | no, gid=GID |
| 19:06.07 | companion | its EXT4 |
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| 19:06.25 | companion | mmnicolas, gid=000 I suppose |
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| 19:07.35 | Innocentus | I am looking for a very lightweight vm for debian |
| 19:07.44 | Innocentus | I want to have a webserver for each web application |
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| 19:07.53 | Innocentus | but there is no need for complete os isolation |
| 19:07.54 | trakinas | anyone can help me with bind9 debian tutorial? |
| 19:08.02 | mmnicolas | Innocentus: look up LXC |
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| 19:08.46 | companion | mmnicolas, hrm gid=000 does not work ;s |
| 19:09.03 | sirToast | companion: create a directory on the drive and chmod 777 on it |
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| 19:09.39 | companion | sirToast, I have chmod +x /mnt/data and chmod 777 /mnt/data no success :s |
| 19:09.44 | dokma | is this the proper place to pester about using automake in my c++ project? |
| 19:10.29 | Innocentus | can lxc run on a kvm vm? |
| 19:10.39 | mmnicolas | dokma: only if you feel it is debian-related, otherwise #programming |
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| 19:10.52 | dokma | thanks |
| 19:11.07 | mmnicolas | Innocentus: you mean "in" ? |
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| 19:12.28 | mmnicolas | it's either kvm or lxc |
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| 19:14.12 | Innocentus | the system is inside a kvm |
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| 19:14.26 | sirToast | companion: I'd create a directory then and chown 'root:users' on it, then 'chmod 775' and change the umask of users to allow group write |
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| 19:14.35 | Innocentus | and now it also should install some vms |
| 19:14.50 | companion | sirToast, which umask should I use for ALL users? :) |
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| 19:15.43 | sirToast | companion: 002 maybe |
| 19:15.55 | companion | sirToast, any way to look it up? |
| 19:16.10 | sirToast | yeah that worked |
| 19:16.22 | sirToast | 'umask 002' |
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| 19:17.43 | companion | sirToast, so it should be: rw,user,exec,umask=002 |
| 19:17.44 | companion | ? |
| 19:18.35 | sirToast | companion: no not in the fstab. set 'defaults' there. the 'umask 002' command goes in ~/.bashrc or something |
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| 19:23.23 | sirToast | companion: to sum up, create a directory and chown 'root:users' on it, then 'chmod 775' and change the umask of users to allow group write with 'umask 002'. might have to change the permissions of files already on the drive. also, don't change root's umask |
| 19:23.34 | companion | sirToast, dint work : / |
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| 19:24.13 | companion | sirToast, so for example: chown -R root:users /mnt/data && chmod 775 /mnt/data/ |
| 19:24.20 | companion | and edit: /etc/login.defs to umask 002 |
| 19:24.54 | sirToast | yeah |
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| 19:25.20 | trakinas | again, can someone explain me the debian wiki Bind9 tutorial? Im really lost. |
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| 19:26.41 | companion | sirToast, done that still does not work I did relogged tho |
| 19:27.05 | sirToast | try creating a new file or something on the drive with a normal user account |
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| 19:27.27 | companion | permission denied ;p |
| 19:27.39 | companion | always has bad karma with mounting external drives |
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| 19:27.48 | sirToast | are you in the group users? |
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| 19:28.25 | companion | yes |
| 19:29.16 | sirToast | should be able to do it then |
| 19:29.24 | companion | sirToast, theoretically yes |
| 19:29.42 | companion | sirToast, usually it works but now it isnt |
| 19:30.06 | sirToast | companion: touch /mnt/data/test |
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| 19:30.28 | companion | touch: cannot touch `/mnt/data/test': Permission denied |
| 19:32.33 | sirToast | companion: I don't see why it doesn't work. if you're in the group users and /mnt/data is set to root:users, 775 it should work |
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| 19:33.09 | companion | sirToast, sirToast I am not trolling its an external disk btw and this hapened to me before just don't remember the fix -.- |
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| 19:33.33 | sirToast | companion: did you chown /mnt/data after you mounted it? |
| 19:33.44 | sirToast | companion: mount it first |
| 19:33.54 | companion | sirToast, its mounted |
| 19:33.58 | un214 | GAAAK compiler bug |
| 19:34.14 | un214 | signal 11 depends on whether or not unreachable code is compiled out |
| 19:34.19 | StefanQn1 | how do I execute Redhat Binaries (Bios update) under debian? |
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| 19:35.00 | sirToast | companion: mount it, then chown root:users on it and chmod 775 |
| 19:35.11 | companion | sirToast, I did mounted it before doing that |
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| 19:36.21 | smile | bye :p |
| 19:36.56 | sirToast | companion: ls -la /mnt/data | grep ' \.\/$' |
| 19:37.07 | companion | sirToast, http://pastebin.com/fgB8gjTA |
| 19:37.21 | companion | sirToast, no output |
| 19:37.55 | companion | at many distro's I have zero issues simply debian envy's mee : / |
| 19:38.05 | companion | at mounting* |
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| 19:39.56 | stilluntrusted | is there something simpler than mailman that works well with an existing exim setup? |
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| 19:40.40 | Yoshi1 | this session thing is really annoying me i remove gnome-session and now i boot to a cli fine no problem i can login and startx manually but while xfce starts properly with the proper desktop background and stuff it changes and i cant figure out why |
| 19:41.02 | companion | /dev/sda1 /mnt/data ext4 defaults 0 0 -.- |
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| 19:43.10 | sirToast | companion: grep '^daan' /etc/passwd | cut -f1-4 -d ':' |
| 19:43.32 | companion | sirToast, daan:x:1001:100 |
| 19:43.55 | companion | I asume the seccond phrase is the group: users |
| 19:44.00 | sirToast | yeah you're in the group |
| 19:44.07 | companion | sirToast, I know :P |
| 19:44.11 | stilluntrusted | maybe i just should worry too much about my exim setup and test mailman |
| 19:44.17 | sirToast | companion: just checking |
| 19:44.41 | stilluntrusted | +not somewhere |
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| 19:46.05 | sirToast | companion: sorry, I don't see what the problem is then :/ |
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| 19:46.50 | companion | sirToast, no prob ^-^ |
| 19:46.53 | companion | you did your best :D |
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| 19:50.45 | Innocentus | What tool would you use for separating web application stacks from each other on a server? |
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| 19:52.14 | mmnicolas | Innocentus: LXC. |
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| 19:52.38 | mmnicolas | or maybe just chroots |
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| 20:18.33 | adh0c | Anyone know how much of a performance hit running a VM off an SDXC card would take? |
| 20:18.37 | Jaleks | is there an option to already initially tell aptitude to search longer for conflict results |
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| 20:27.21 | MachinaeWolf | If I want to record sounds coming off the system is ffmpeg a good choice and how would I record the sound with that? |
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| 20:30.05 | doublehp | how to take cam pics via CLI without camE ? |
| 20:30.14 | DrakkenWarr | cheese? |
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| 20:32.38 | stilluntrusted | doublehp: scanimage |
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| 20:33.19 | doublehp | stilluntrusted: can't tind those packages |
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| 20:34.19 | stilluntrusted | doublehp: libav-tools: /usr/bin/avconv |
| 20:34.31 | stilluntrusted | doublehp: sane-utils: /usr/bin/scanimage |
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| 20:34.57 | doublehp | cant find libav-tools at all |
| 20:35.45 | doublehp | stilluntrusted: sane-utils will work on USB webcams ? |
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| 20:36.43 | stilluntrusted | doublehp: the sane way is a possible but not really sane ;-) |
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| 20:36.59 | stilluntrusted | doublehp: sane can use v4l as backend |
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| 20:37.17 | stilluntrusted | doublehp: wheezy? |
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| 20:37.22 | stilluntrusted | doublehp: or squeeze? |
| 20:37.23 | doublehp | ARM |
| 20:37.57 | stilluntrusted | ffmpeg? |
| 20:38.14 | doublehp | :/ why not, after all |
| 20:38.34 | stilluntrusted | in wheezy ffmpeg is now avconv |
| 20:38.39 | stilluntrusted | in squeeze it is ffmpeg |
| 20:38.50 | doublehp | typo :) |
| 20:38.59 | doublehp | squeeze |
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| 20:40.05 | stilluntrusted | doublehp: try something like "ffmpeg -y -f video4linux2 -video_size 640x480 -i /dev/video0 v.ppm ; see v.ppm" |
| 20:40.52 | stilluntrusted | doublehp: or if you want to try sane: "scanimage -d v4l:/dev/video0 --mode Color > /tmp/v.pnm && see /tmp/v.pnm" |
| 20:41.08 | doublehp | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:42.26 | doublehp | http://pastebin.ca/2304669 still, Sent can be seen and listed by other computers ... that's weird |
| 20:43.12 | stilluntrusted | doublehp: webcam works? |
| 20:43.31 | doublehp | stilluntrusted: slow down; it's unpacking :) |
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| 20:43.47 | stilluntrusted | doublehp: have to leave |
| 20:43.51 | stilluntrusted | doublehp: battery empty |
| 20:44.02 | doublehp | still unpacking :) |
| 20:44.11 | Zitter | hi, I have eth0 (static: 192.168.1.10) and wlan1 (dhcp, direction: router). Can I use eth0 as gateway for other pc in 192.168.1.* and how to do that? what I have to search on google? |
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| 20:44.35 | doublehp | Zitter: #networking |
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| 20:44.44 | doublehp | Zitter: google iptables NAT |
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| 20:45.35 | rozz2 | I'm trying to configure something and get the message "X 32-bit development files not found. Wine will be built without X support, which probably isn't what you want. You will need to install 32-bit development packages of Xlib/Xfree86 at the very least." I'm using Debian Sid. Any idea what package has these? |
| 20:45.53 | rozz2 | They asked for some stuff earlier and I could find the package, but I couldn't guess which ones to install for this set. |
| 20:46.20 | doublehp | rozz2: 64b arch ? |
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| 20:46.54 | rozz2 | doublehp: What do you mean? |
| 20:47.00 | rozz2 | doublehp: Oh, yeah |
| 20:47.29 | rozz2 | doublehp: I though you meant arch linux rather than architecture. |
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| 20:49.49 | Shu | I have someoen requesting I instll redis for their python3 script. Debian's python-redis seems to only support python2, is there a way I can install python3 support for the repository? Maybe there's a package in the backports or something wit python3 support? |
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| 20:56.52 | doublehp | how do i continue an interrupted aptitude ? |
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| 20:57.53 | Jaleks | just repeat the last call, i'd say |
| 20:58.48 | doublehp | E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock |
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| 20:59.34 | jelly-home | doublehp: verify there's no leftover dpkg or apt* process |
| 20:59.39 | sirToast | did you press ctrl-z? |
| 20:59.42 | rozz2 | How do I install 32 bit development files on my 64 bit install of Sid? |
| 20:59.48 | rozz2 | *32 bit development files for X |
| 20:59.56 | doublehp | jelly-home: ps reports no process; but there was a ssh breakage around |
| 21:00.12 | jelly-home | rozz2: it will probably be easier to build wine in a32bit chroot instead |
| 21:00.33 | rozz2 | jelly-home: I do not know how to do that. Do you mind helping with a guide or advice? |
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| 21:00.55 | rozz2 | I'm currently looking at http://wiki.winehq.org/Wine64 |
| 21:01.51 | jelly-home | rozz2: oh, dunno about that. Do you actually need wine64? |
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| 21:02.01 | rozz2 | jelly-home: No, I do not need 64 bit iwne. |
| 21:02.04 | rozz2 | *wine |
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| 21:03.27 | jelly-home | rozz2: well then. I would make a 32bit environment using debootstrap or a wrapper for debootstrap (schroot? debuild?), then install wine build-deps in there and build wine the usual way |
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| 21:04.42 | jelly-home | rozz2: /msg dpkg debootstrap, /msg dpkg build-deps, /msg dpkg deb-src |
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| 21:09.16 | dvs | not in Vegas |
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| 21:15.01 | goodbyeearl | hey everyone :D |
| 21:15.11 | dvs | Dixie chick! |
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| 21:17.03 | alphis | sup debian users. does anyone know how i can get this rtl8192 usb wifi card to be detected? |
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| 21:18.29 | dvs | alphis: http://wiki.debian.org/rtl819x |
| 21:18.37 | engla | maybe something with firmware-realtek |
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| 21:27.08 | Shu | Does anyone here use Amazon's Glacier service? |
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| 21:29.27 | dimaursu16 | hello |
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| 21:31.49 | alphis | engla: the site dvs linked didn't help |
| 21:31.51 | alphis | i've been searching |
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| 21:32.02 | alphis | i installed firmware-realrek |
| 21:32.05 | alphis | and wireless-tools |
| 21:32.10 | alphis | and added main contrib non-free |
| 21:32.13 | alphis | and updated |
| 21:32.16 | alphis | and rebooted |
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| 21:32.24 | alphis | the module doesn't exist |
| 21:32.41 | alphis | RTL8192SU doesn't seem to be supported by that driver... |
| 21:33.03 | alphis | is deb squeeze's ancient kernel to blame? |
| 21:34.08 | LtL | alphis: it would be worth the try to backport 3.2, you'll still have the old kernel. |
| 21:34.49 | LtL | alphis: what's the pci id on that device, lspci -nn |
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| 21:37.33 | LtL | alphis: oh, it's USB, missed that |
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| 21:47.45 | cardamon | http://paste.debian.net/226565/ This is my current config, but it's not working. |
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| 22:09.53 | mmnicolas | cardamon: give inadyn a try, never had any issue with that and no-ip, or give freedns.afraid.org a shot, this guy is awesome and damn reliable |
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| 22:11.38 | alphis | LtL: id love to upgrade the kernel is its supported |
| 22:11.45 | alphis | i dont understand debian (or know what backports are) |
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| 22:12.43 | LtL | alphis: I don't know if it's supported, backports is easy enough though. |
| 22:12.53 | LtL | !tell alphis about bpo |
| 22:12.55 | alphis | so in debian backports means upgrade kernel? |
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| 22:13.39 | LtL | alphis: backports contains higher version packages compiled for squeeze |
| 22:13.57 | LtL | alphis: dpkg should have sent you a private msg.. |
| 22:14.03 | mmnicolas | cardamon: and ddclient don't even support no-ip, I don't get why you're trying |
| 22:14.04 | alphis | yup |
| 22:14.08 | alphis | reading now thanks. |
| 22:14.15 | LtL | alphis: welcome |
| 22:14.16 | alphis | if i can use this to upgrade the kernel then ill give it a shot. |
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| 22:23.03 | blagonia | I have huge I/O waits |
| 22:23.07 | blagonia | on monitor |
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| 22:23.23 | blagonia | waves of it |
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| 22:26.23 | TomSlominski | Hi. I've mounted an external drive in my fstab so it's mounted in /media/external, but I don't seem to be able to operate on it. I've tried recursively chowning it but i still get "permission denied" |
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| 22:27.52 | engla | TomSlominski: what is the filesystem type? |
| 22:28.06 | TomSlominski | engla, fat32 |
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| 22:28.20 | engla | it doesn't support permissions |
| 22:28.30 | TomSlominski | engla, i should've made it an ext4, but I didn't realise it wasn't before I copied over 8GB of data to it |
| 22:28.34 | blagonia | I have huge I/O waits, how to find what cause it? |
| 22:28.46 | engla | TomSlominski: set a mount option to make it look like it belongs to a particular user |
| 22:28.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | blagonia, iotop |
| 22:29.05 | TomSlominski | engla, is this in the fstab? |
| 22:29.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | but only as root since a couple of kernel versions |
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| 22:29.34 | engla | TomSlominski: yes |
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| 22:29.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | hmm, and not sure you see what causes IO-*waits*... it shows IO |
| 22:29.48 | engla | TomSlominski: see man mount >> Mount options for fat >> uid= etc |
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| 22:30.23 | TomSlominski | engla, ah, I see. I'll do this, thanks |
| 22:30.35 | engla | TomSlominski: for certain things, a real linux file system will be better (ext4) |
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| 22:31.38 | TomSlominski | engla, I know, I just didn't realise this pendrive wasn't an ext4 before I copied loads of data to it. silly mistake |
| 22:31.56 | engla | well with fat32 you can read it on all those other commercial OS'es |
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| 22:35.31 | TomSlominski | engla, I'm tempted to just stop this suffering and make it an ext4. |
| 22:35.31 | haylo | so i looked at my first "computer customer" person today. some disaster of lost password + using something called go daddy for their website ? |
| 22:35.51 | haylo | what exactly does go-daddy do? |
| 22:35.59 | DrakkenWarr | go daddy? kill it with fire |
| 22:36.06 | DrakkenWarr | it's webhosting that sucks |
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| 22:36.38 | haylo | yeah, that was what i was thinking. like wtf did these people have made for them, its a purposefully broken 3 debian box go daddied thing |
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| 22:37.00 | haylo | why would he need 3 computers if someone else is hosting the website |
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| 22:38.17 | haylo | anyway i'll figure it out. just wanted to confirm that go-daddy was to be killed with fire |
| 22:38.27 | DrakkenWarr | yes mass amounts of fire |
| 22:38.34 | DrakkenWarr | but that is just my thought on the matter |
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| 22:41.42 | grafdiffuzor | I can't get XV working under radeon OSS driver in Wheezy. Any suggestions? |
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| 22:42.51 | neon | Failed to fetch bzip2:/var/lib/apt/lists/partial/ftp.us.debian.org_debian_dists_wheezy-proposed-updates_main_i18n_Translation-en Hash Sum mismatch |
| 22:42.51 | neon | Some index files failed to download. They have been ignored, or old ones used instead. |
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| 22:50.58 | zykotick9 | sidebar to what neon was asking about above. after reading <testing-proposed-updates>, to confirm my interpretation: proposed-updates, stable or testing, isn't something one would "generally" need. Except for specific bugs, I take it. |
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| 22:53.20 | LtL | zykotick9: that's the way I read it. |
| 22:53.33 | adh0c | is it possible to set rsync to backup a home directory but excluding one subdirectory? |
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| 22:54.31 | zykotick9 | adh0c: i believe it's --exclude, "man rsync" to confirm/deny. fyi, you need one --exclude per directory i believe. |
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| 22:55.22 | adh0c | Okay. So I shouldn't have a problem backing up my home directory to an LVM mounted within my home directory? |
| 22:55.52 | grafdiffuzor | did fresh install of wheezy amd64 and can't install ia32-libs |
| 22:57.00 | engla | grafdiffuzor: ia32-libs is now a transitional package.. it needs i386 as foreign arch |
| 22:57.03 | cardamon | mmnicolas: It does work. I've used it for no-ip before. But I lost that configuration when I wiped the box. |
| 22:57.16 | dawud | adh0c: mount that LV elsewhere instead |
| 22:57.25 | cardamon | !tell grafdiffuzor about multiarch |
| 22:57.45 | engla | further, that means you don't need all of ia32-libs, you can install just the ones you need |
| 22:59.09 | grafdiffuzor | cardamon and engla, thank you for info |
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| 23:01.00 | iio7 | What need to be set on wheezy for the system to respect umask? I have changed /etc/login.defs and /etc/pam.d/login, but the umask is not respected. |
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| 23:01.34 | dawud | iio7: pam_umask |
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| 23:02.43 | iio7 | dawud, what file is missing? |
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| 23:03.57 | dawud | iio7: you need to configure pam_umask, check its manpage |
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| 23:04.43 | iio7 | Yeah, I did that, it says /etc/pam.d/login, but it is NOT respected. |
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| 23:04.59 | dawud | iio7: ...unless you've already done so :) |
| 23:05.18 | dawud | iio7: smething in your .bash* files? |
| 23:05.19 | iio7 | Maybe this is related still http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=646692 |
| 23:05.33 | dioz | m bg s21wqa\4587 |
| 23:05.34 | iio7 | dawud, no the .bash doesn't touch it |
| 23:06.07 | dawud | iio7: if you explicitly set your umask value un your startup scripts, it is |
| 23:06.26 | dawud | iio7: I do so in .bashrc |
| 23:06.29 | iio7 | I need to change it system wide. |
| 23:06.53 | dawud | iio7: for login shells only or for system users as well? |
| 23:07.03 | iio7 | I can't believe this, several umask settings exists (grep shows), but none is respected. |
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| 23:08.46 | themill | iio7: how are you logging in? |
| 23:08.50 | iio7 | ssh |
| 23:09.42 | iio7 | and the /etc/profile says "for ssh logins, install and configure the libpam-umask package", which is installed, but when it is set, it is not respected using ssh. |
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| 23:10.32 | dawud | iio7: does sshd_config have Use PAM enabled? |
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| 23:11.04 | iio7 | yes |
| 23:11.30 | iio7 | Enabled by default. |
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| 23:13.08 | ORNis | hello |
| 23:13.14 | eni23 | hello at all. im thinkng of setting up dkim on one of my vservers. anyone runs it yet? main problem: it runs a few domains and only want to set it up for one domain. is this even possbel? |
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| 23:16.20 | ORNis | I've a question related to packaging. The software I'm packaging embed a SQLite database (should be writable). where is the best path to put it ? /usr/skel ? |
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| 23:16.37 | yeehi | Grub fails to load into /target/ in wheezy during installation? How can i get grub to load properly? |
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| 23:19.31 | neon__ | so what should I do about that message? |
| 23:21.05 | LtL | neon__: try again? |
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| 23:21.21 | haylo | neon__: is there anything inside of /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ ? |
| 23:21.41 | haylo | if so hash it out, so you are only working with /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 23:22.20 | haylo | then "apt-get update" and see if the error still persists |
| 23:22.52 | neon__ | haylo, no |
| 23:23.10 | haylo | and yeah, just try a couple times. the error could just come froma rotating mirror |
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| 23:25.18 | haylo | testing packages are always getting changed. for that and other reasons sometimes a revolving mirror like cdn.debian.net will get you an error |
| 23:25.49 | haylo | er "hash sum mixmatch error" to be specific |
| 23:26.49 | cardamon | A little help with ddclient? I'm having trouble getting it configured for my no-ip.com dynamic dns |
| 23:26.55 | cardamon | http://paste.debian.net/226565/ This is my current config, but it's not working. |
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| 23:27.01 | cardamon | I've used it before, but I can't remember how to set it up properly. |
| 23:27.19 | neon__ | why when I use apt-get it offers me a lot of upgrades, but synaptic don't offer me anything? |
| 23:28.25 | haylo | dont use synaptic, it was never properly maintained. use apt-get or aptitude |
| 23:28.25 | neon__ | i chose to prefer installed version |
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| 23:29.31 | haylo | if you just "aptitude" as root. it wil bring up a superior User Interface to synaptic anyway |
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| 23:30.37 | haylo | who you your installed packages and allow you to browse in a more human readable format then apt-get offers |
| 23:31.00 | haylo | it will allow you to veiw your* |
| 23:31.05 | neon__ | I don't get along with aptitude |
| 23:31.13 | haylo | haha, understood |
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| 23:31.28 | haylo | but it will save your butt, if you give it a chance |
| 23:31.52 | neon__ | I use it only when all else failed |
| 23:32.06 | neon__ | its interface is a bit cryptic to me |
| 23:32.20 | haylo | yeah, it makes mroe sense once you recognize all the packages |
| 23:32.27 | haylo | you will someday, im sure |
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| 23:32.56 | haylo | wtf is SASL ? |
| 23:33.34 | neon__ | encryption |
| 23:33.37 | engla | fun how that works out.. quakenet instead says SSL is useless and doesn't provide it |
| 23:34.13 | haylo | i cant believe people change things, when everyone has just barely figured out how to get them to work |
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| 23:34.29 | haylo | seems to destine failure of some sort |
| 23:36.09 | engla | if irssi doesn't support SASL I'm going to be confused. not equivalent to current SSL? |
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| 23:42.26 | LtL | http://freenode.net/sasl/ |
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| 23:43.14 | grafdiffuzor | is there short-cut to request removal of all packages from foreign arch (e.g., all i386 while on amd64)? |
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| 23:48.22 | iio7 | I have now spend more than an hour trying to get a simple thing as umask working system wide and it finally works, however the result is not right. umask is set to 0027 and it is verified using umask, but touching files gives rw-r----- rather than rwxr-x--- |
| 23:48.34 | t3ch | hello, i dont have rt2800lib what to do? |
| 23:48.36 | peterrooney | grafdiffuzor: not that I know of, and a check of /usr/share/doc/aptitude/html/en/ch02s04s05.html revealed no likely candidates. |
| 23:48.40 | iio7 | What can I be missing? |
| 23:49.03 | t3ch | have compiled compat-wireless but stil missing that lib |
| 23:50.02 | Towzzer | umask subtracts from 666 for files |
| 23:50.08 | t3ch | it gives error rt2x00lib_request_firmware: error - failed to request firmware |
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| 23:50.20 | t3ch | where can i get rt2800lib |
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| 23:52.24 | engla | grafdiffuzor: should be with an aptitude pattern like aptitude search '~i~ri386' |
| 23:52.54 | haylo | so if go-daddy is a website builder and server, wtf would this guy be doing with three passswordless servers hooked up to the network? |
| 23:53.31 | haylo | is it just like a front end scam... anyway i'll hack into the password less machines tomorrow and see |
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| 23:54.40 | haylo | i mean they dont offer some "round robin" service where you supply you own servers ? |
| 23:54.45 | haylo | or do they... |
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| 23:59.33 | peterrooney | engla: ~r ????? |
| 23:59.44 | cardamon | A little help with ddclient? I'm having trouble getting it configured for my no-ip.com dynamic dns |
| 23:59.47 | cardamon | http://paste.debian.net/226565/ This is my current config, but it's not working. |
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| 23:59.50 | cardamon | I've used it before, but I can't remember how to set it up properly. |
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