| 00:00.04 | qwebirc58755 | Trek: How do I install a minimal Debian (netinst) via ssh? I didn't know it was possible to install any OS from scratch via ssh... |
| 00:00.19 | Trek | Name141: you can boot from usb? |
| 00:00.30 | jhutchins | themill: We do need to document a method that WILL work from Windows, that's where a lot of users are coming from and they increasingly don't have CDs. |
| 00:00.34 | Name141 | Trek: yes |
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| 00:01.06 | themill | jhutchins: I know. |
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| 00:01.32 | Trek | qwebirc58755: read this as example http://blog.remoteresponder.net/2011/03/23/debian-squeeze-60-installation-over-ssh/ |
| 00:02.16 | Trek | Name141: there is a method to copy the netinst on usb and boot |
| 00:02.24 | jhutchins | themill: I'll see what I can find this week. Like I said, I don't have a windows box to test from. |
| 00:02.43 | themill | isn't sure why jhutchins is telling him this |
| 00:02.44 | dvs | jhutchins: How about http://sourceforge.net/projects/win32diskimager/ ? |
| 00:02.46 | jhutchins | Trek: The challenge is to do it from WIndows. |
| 00:03.20 | jhutchins | dvs: Several links to that, could be better than unetbootin, could be worse. |
| 00:04.13 | jhutchins | Name141: THat's a well supported project. sourceforge projects are usually trustworthy. Not much to loose by trying it. |
| 00:04.42 | jhutchins | Name141: Did you verify the image before you wrote it? |
| 00:04.56 | Trek | jhutchins: with windows I can't neither be sure that the downloaded iso images are authentic |
| 00:05.45 | themill | jhutchins: "sourceforge projects are usually trustworthy" you what? sf.net is full of half-baked ideas, dead projects and junk. |
| 00:06.21 | Trek | themill: they are anyway safer than random .exe from the web ;) |
| 00:06.37 | themill | really? |
| 00:07.19 | Trek | themill: I think that if a project under sf has a virus or similar it will be removed in some weeks. |
| 00:07.21 | jhutchins | Trek: You can get md5sums on Windows. |
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| 00:08.13 | Trek | jhutchins: in the same way you should get dd on weindows |
| 00:08.21 | jhutchins | themill: Yes, you have to see if the project is active, but I trust active sourceforge projects a lot more than cnet downloads. |
| 00:08.50 | jhutchins | Trek: Among other ways, there are a lot of checksum utilities for windows. |
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| 00:09.07 | jhutchins | Trek: You can download 'em from cnet! |
| 00:09.32 | jhutchins | Does cygwin have dd? |
| 00:09.44 | Trek | jhutchins: http://unxutils.sourceforge.net/ |
| 00:10.53 | jhutchins | Name141: Anyway, lots of ways to do this, including go back to unetbootin and ask us what's wrong. |
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| 00:15.21 | qwebirc58755 | Trek: I read that ssh installation article but what happens when you need to reboot the target machine after installation completes? Doesn't that mean the ssh connection will terminate abnormally? |
| 00:16.23 | Trek | qwebirc58755: yes, but you can reconnect after the boot |
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| 00:17.55 | lahwran | hey, anyone mind telling me what python -c 'import platform; print platform.linux_distribution()' prints for you? |
| 00:17.57 | Trek | qwebirc58755: a normal installation is preferred as with a remote console hardware like ILOM |
| 00:18.15 | lahwran | I don't have any debian boxes available at the moment but I need to be able to detect when I'm running on one |
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| 00:18.37 | lahwran | (I'm writing a dotfiles setup utility for myself, because wheels were made to be reinvented) |
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| 00:21.27 | JosephFritzll | how to make a gay fuck a woman? |
| 00:21.30 | JosephFritzll | shit her into cunt |
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| 00:22.33 | JasonWoof | what's the command to check if any of the files installed by package foo have been corrupted? |
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| 00:22.49 | JasonWoof | something like dpkg fsck foo |
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| 00:23.06 | JasonWoof | google is obsessed with telling me about e2fsck and the like |
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| 00:25.12 | nkuttler | JasonWoof: debsums |
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| 00:25.26 | JasonWoof | nkuttler: thanks! |
| 00:26.00 | DeltaHeavy | Does Debian stable not perform to well in VM's as a desktop? |
| 00:26.23 | DeltaHeavy | VirtualBox in particular. |
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| 00:28.28 | Trek | lahwran: noone seems to have python installed here! |
| 00:28.39 | lahwran | fiddlesticks, whatever shall I do now |
| 00:29.38 | Trek | DeltaHeavy: may be the opengl applications |
| 00:30.08 | themill | lahwran: «('debian', '6.0.6', '')» -- you might like to look at "movein" for your dotfiles |
| 00:30.18 | DeltaHeavy | Trek: Does GTK+ use OpenGL? I"m just using Chrome and text editors mostly |
| 00:30.36 | DeltaHeavy | It seems speedy at first but it grinds to an almost unusable state |
| 00:30.50 | Trek | DeltaHeavy: all X uses opengl if you enable composition |
| 00:32.09 | DeltaHeavy | Trek: Ok, thanks. Thing is I've had other distros running X working just fine. Is it maybe cause it's an older version of OpenGL on here in combination with the virtualization? |
| 00:33.23 | dgriffi | does anyone know why denyhosts would go berzerk and start repeatedly throwing a machine on my local net into hosts.deny? |
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| 00:34.31 | Trek | DeltaHeavy: I would exclude that an older version of opengl would make this. A simple stupid question: 3d hardware acceleration is available on the host system? |
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| 00:35.40 | themill | dgriffi: what's denyhosts say about this in its log file? |
| 00:37.19 | dgriffi | themill: it thinks I'm logging in as root |
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| 00:37.45 | Trek | dgriffi: log as root is always a problem ;) |
| 00:37.56 | DeltaHeavy | Not sure, on an Intel 4000 |
| 00:38.12 | themill | dgriffi: does auth.log agree with that? Are you specifying a username to the ssh client? |
| 00:38.24 | Trek | DeltaHeavy: glxgears should asks the question ;) |
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| 00:39.17 | DeltaHeavy | It worked but I got this: OpenGL Warning: Failed to connect to host. Make sure 3D acceleration is enabled for this VM. |
| 00:39.50 | DeltaHeavy | Ok, I'm going to reboot and turn it on. I'll be back in a bit |
| 00:39.59 | Trek | DeltaHeavy: try glxgears on the host system (the one where you launch virtualbox) |
| 00:40.17 | DeltaHeavy | It's not GNU/Linux |
| 00:40.22 | Trek | ok :) |
| 00:40.29 | DeltaHeavy | brb |
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| 00:40.42 | Trek | anyway disabling composition is always good ;) |
| 00:40.47 | dgriffi | themill: auth.log agrees... but I'm not doing anything with ssh to provoke it |
| 00:41.40 | themill | dgriffi: what's your local username that you're using to run ssh? are you specifying a username to ssh on the command line or in ~/.ssh/config? |
| 00:43.12 | Trek | dgriffi: check out http://denyhosts.sourceforge.net/faq.html#3_7 |
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| 00:44.28 | DeltaHeavy | I THINK it's fixed but imma have to wait a bit and see if it slows down. Thanks! |
| 00:45.04 | Trek | DeltaHeavy: anyway disabling composition will make your system simpler |
| 00:45.17 | DeltaHeavy | What would I loose out on? |
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| 00:46.07 | Trek | DeltaHeavy: fancy graphic like windows shadows, transparency and other not-really-cool things |
| 00:46.31 | DeltaHeavy | How would I disable that? Should I just Google it? |
| 00:46.42 | dgriffi | Trek: I did that, but I'm curious why denyhosts went ape-poo |
| 00:47.08 | Trek | DeltaHeavy: it depends by your desktop environment, try in the graphic settings window |
| 00:47.44 | DeltaHeavy | Trek: Graphics setting window? I'm in GNOME2 btw |
| 00:47.58 | dgriffi | themill: local username is "dave" and all that's in .ssh/config is "ForwardAgent yes\nForwardX11 yes\nTCPKeepAlive yes" |
| 00:48.03 | Trek | dgriffi: may be that the local machine connects to the server frequently and denyhosts thinks that it is inappropriate when scanning logfiles |
| 00:49.30 | DeltaHeavy | Yeah, still seeming slow. Even when typing things into boxes there's lag |
| 00:49.36 | Trek | DeltaHeavy: I really don't know, may be this is a GDM setting (gnome 2D) |
| 00:49.49 | DeltaHeavy | Ok, thanks |
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| 00:50.15 | Trek | DeltaHeavy: under xfce it is a window manager option for example |
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| 00:51.00 | NNK | hi |
| 00:51.09 | NNK | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:51.21 | NNK | any idea? |
| 00:51.31 | DeltaHeavy | Trek: Ok, thanks. I'll look into it |
| 00:51.35 | Trek | NNK: the arp command |
| 00:51.51 | NNK | is there any reverse arp? |
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| 00:52.33 | NNK | I have the MAC, I need the configured IP |
| 00:53.02 | NNK | device's configured IP. |
| 00:53.16 | Trek | NNK: normally when a client connects to yor system, using arp -a will show MAC and IP address |
| 00:54.16 | dgriffi | Here's another weird denyhosts behavior.. I shut it off, then deleted all the rules from /etc/hosts.deny, then started denyhosts again. As soon as I started it, /etc/hosts.deny filled up with IP addresses. |
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| 00:54.58 | Trek | dgriffi: as I understand reading the website, denyhosts will scan your logfiles to fill /etc/hosts.deny |
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| 00:55.01 | NNK | is there a way yo get the 'history' of connected devices? |
| 00:55.48 | Trek | NNK: you should install a packet sniffer like tcpdump, but it will do huge logfiles |
| 00:56.13 | dgriffi | Trek: so I have to trim hosts.deny while it's running... |
| 00:56.21 | dioz | flossing your teeth feels so good |
| 00:56.58 | NNK | I see |
| 00:57.08 | jimcooncat | NNK: may inotify can help, incron is one way to use it |
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| 00:57.35 | jimcooncat | NNK: you can set a watch on a device file, maybe |
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| 00:59.56 | NNK | but let's say that a device has an ip xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx configured statically . And the router has DHCP on. I dont have physical access to the device and Im trying to configure the router to assign that very ip to the device. |
| 01:00.14 | Trek | dgriffi: you should whitelist all your local network I think |
| 01:00.39 | NNK | do you have any idea how can I discover the configured IP? Im wondering if there is a way to query the device |
| 01:01.11 | NNK | arp would show the DHCP assigned ip. |
| 01:02.03 | Trek | NNK: some DHCP server always assign the same IP to the same MAC, others pick a random IP address everytime. Anyway it should be and option to statically map MAC addresses to IPs |
| 01:02.09 | dgriffi | Trek: did that. I'm just wondering why it happened |
| 01:02.23 | dgriffi | oh well |
| 01:02.44 | Trek | dgriffi: may be that denyhosts scan your http files and the local machine access to the web server? or a proxy? |
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| 01:03.22 | dgriffi | Trek: I don't know.. |
| 01:03.57 | Trek | dgriffi: rgrep local.machine.ip.address /var/log |
| 01:04.16 | NNK | maybe RARP? |
| 01:04.34 | NNK | is there any command like that on linux? |
| 01:04.45 | NNK | Reverse Address Resolution Protocol ? |
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| 01:05.26 | Trek | NNK: you should really look at your DHCP server configuration |
| 01:05.43 | Trek | NNK: rarp is obsoleted by dhcp |
| 01:06.09 | dgriffi | Trek: nothing |
| 01:06.37 | NNK | I see... |
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| 01:07.21 | NNK | is there some kind of "mac ping"? |
| 01:07.49 | lahwran | themill: thanks! |
| 01:08.12 | alyvin05 | hello |
| 01:08.38 | ehc__ | so if I want to remove all html files I can do 'rm *.html', but how do i invert the command to remove everything that is not an html file. i was trying rm !*.html or something similar |
| 01:09.08 | Trek | dgriffi: debian version of denyhosts check /var/log/auth.log that is readable only by root, so you should run grep as root |
| 01:09.59 | alyvin05 | zro hello |
| 01:10.01 | epsilon | NNK: arping |
| 01:10.34 | dgriffi | Trek: did that |
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| 01:10.57 | epsilon | ehc__: one way is find -name ... -exec rm {} \; |
| 01:11.04 | Trek | dgriffi: I have no more options to say :) |
| 01:11.14 | NNK | tks epsilon |
| 01:11.42 | sirToast | ehc__: epsilon: but that will delete recursively |
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| 01:13.47 | dgriffi | Trek: I've run out of curiosity myself. |
| 01:14.01 | Trek | ehc__: find /path/to/work -type f -not -path "*.html" |
| 01:14.46 | Trek | ehc__: this will return the list of files to rm |
| 01:14.50 | ehc__ | ok, so use find first. there is no way just using '*' selectors |
| 01:15.17 | ehc__ | Trek, ^ |
| 01:15.34 | Trek | ehc__: this is a more dangerous way that will remove the files without allowing you to check if it is correct rm $(find /path/to/work -type f -not -path "*.html") |
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| 01:18.03 | Trek | ehc__: this is not recursive find /path/to/work -maxdepth 1 -type f -not -path "*.html" |
| 01:18.35 | epsilon | find can do much stuff, read the man page |
| 01:19.26 | ehc__ | will do. thanks! |
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| 01:20.25 | sebas-89 | !does not |
| 01:20.37 | sebas-89 | !doesn't |
| 01:20.37 | dpkg | Yes I do! |
| 01:20.53 | sebas-89 | i understand |
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| 01:21.35 | Trek | !/bin/sh echo |
| 01:21.40 | Trek | :) |
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| 01:23.30 | Trek | is libgl1-mesa-dri your biggest installed package? |
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| 01:24.19 | Trek | to find the biggest package installed: grep -E "^(Package|Installed-Size):" /var/lib/dpkg/status | sed 's/.*: //g;' | sed 'N;s/\n/\t/' | sort -k 2 -nr | head -1 |
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| 01:31.54 | peterrooney | Trek: or just run dpigs |
| 01:33.01 | peterrooney | feels like there needs to be a new way to tell people they're reinventing the wheel |
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| 01:33.28 | Kirito | http://pastie.org/private/dlrla3myolqhbua8cwgjw - uhm...? |
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| 01:34.03 | Kirito | nevermind.. after second update it works |
| 01:34.59 | Trek | peterrooney: sorry I don't have python installed nor I required to search for a package that does what I can easily write directly to the shell ;) |
| 01:36.33 | Trek | peterrooney: the real question was: there is any package bigger than libgl1-mesa-dri? |
| 01:37.15 | peterrooney | dpigs is in the debian-goodies package |
| 01:38.03 | zykotick9 | Trek: libreoffice-core is almost twice as big... |
| 01:38.29 | Trek | zykotick9: thank you! :) |
| 01:38.42 | sirToast | then there's emacs |
| 01:39.03 | peterrooney | ...the gnome-user-guide... |
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| 01:40.01 | Trek | sirToast: emacs is smaller, libgl1-mesa-dri has an installed size of 87MB |
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| 01:40.41 | sirToast | stallman better get to work then |
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| 01:44.38 | jhutchins | peterrooney: I know I should install it, run it, and see for myself, but what is dpigs? |
| 01:46.07 | Trek | jhutchins: dpigs - Shows which installed packages occupy most space |
| 01:47.27 | jhutchins | Mmm. |
| 01:47.47 | jhutchins | I officially love debain. |
| 01:47.54 | Trek | too |
| 01:48.17 | jhutchins | RH could use a dose of that humor. |
| 01:48.32 | Trek | and Debian wheezy has really funcy stuff like wine 1.4 and the /run tmpfs |
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| 01:51.56 | Miesco | Whats a good web mpd client? |
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| 01:54.49 | inspire | Looking for clues on the Debian way, if any, to set up different network personalities, e.g., cut over from a single IF w/ a default GW to to a setup with several IF's, and the GW moving to a different IF from before... |
| 01:55.06 | inspire | Basically looking into a hot standby router. |
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| 01:58.01 | peterrooney | jhutchins: dpigs shows the largest installed packages |
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| 02:00.55 | Trek | inspire: there are some packages that does this, one very small was switchconf |
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| 02:17.45 | gez | Hi |
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| 02:17.55 | Towzzer | hi |
| 02:18.06 | gez | I just found a crasher in GIMP, caused apparently by gtk |
| 02:18.17 | gez | (according one of the developers) |
| 02:18.27 | gez | He pointed me to updating gtk |
| 02:18.44 | gez | The version in wheezy is old |
| 02:18.51 | gez | The up-to-date version is in experimental |
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| 02:19.15 | gez | Is there any chances that the current version lands in wheezy? |
| 02:19.44 | gez | (gtk 2.24.14) |
| 02:19.44 | Trek | gez: you should open a bug, adding a reference to the diccussion to the developers |
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| 02:20.21 | Trek | gez: but it should be unfair that gtk is updated now that wheezy is in freeze |
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| 02:21.13 | Trek | gez: if a fix can be applied to the wheeze version of gtk it should be applied as a patch |
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| 02:22.27 | gez | Trek: yes. I asked because I know it's in freeze, but it's very inconvenient to have an important package like GIMP on a common procedure as exporting jpeg files. |
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| 02:22.51 | gez | Plus I don't know where to start :) |
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| 02:23.09 | gez | I mean, I don't know if it's possible to patch current gtk to avoid the crash |
| 02:23.20 | gez | I can ask GIMP devs tomorrow though |
| 02:23.34 | Trek | gez: the reportbug package should help you, but the really important thing is to add the url of the discussion with the developers |
| 02:23.52 | gez | it was a brief IRC exchange |
| 02:24.40 | gez | Anyway, I'll gather more information and I'll file a bug against gtk 2.4.10 |
| 02:24.51 | gez | Thank you Trek |
| 02:25.08 | Trek | gez: try to explain exactly the proceture to reproduce the bug, the error messages and that it is fixed in the upstream version |
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| 02:27.44 | Trek | gez: if the procedure is very common and a fix can be applied the debian developers will be very happy to apply it on wheezy |
| 02:28.42 | gez | Ok Trek. Thank you so much for your help. I'll gather more information and I'll report back |
| 02:28.42 | gez | See you! |
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| 02:34.07 | boudiccas | starting VLC from the terminal I got this error report '[0x8b7b6d8] xcb_xv vout display error: no available XVideo adaptor' what is this 'xvideo adaptor' that i'm missing? is this hardware or software please? |
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| 02:36.31 | Trek | boudiccas: XVideo is a X server extension that allow you to play videos |
| 02:36.42 | boudiccas | ah right, thanks |
| 02:36.54 | Trek | boudiccas: xvinfo shows if it is present |
| 02:37.52 | Trek | boudiccas: it may be X driver issue |
| 02:38.17 | boudiccas | Trek: xvinfo X-Video Extension version 2.2 screen #0 no adaptors present |
| 02:38.20 | Trek | boudiccas: or Xorg.conf is badly configured |
| 02:38.37 | cantido | you could try changing the output plugin (I think thats what it's called) |
| 02:38.46 | cantido | I think VLC can use OpenGL etc |
| 02:39.17 | Trek | boudiccas: are you using free or not-free drivers? |
| 02:39.28 | boudiccas | free on wheezy |
| 02:39.44 | Trek | boudiccas: it is a fresh install or an update? |
| 02:39.55 | boudiccas | fresh install |
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| 02:42.15 | Trek | boudiccas: what is the display driver? |
| 02:43.05 | boudiccas | Trek: 00:01.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] nee ATI Device [1002:9645] |
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| 02:44.53 | Trek | boudiccas: may be a bug http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=672972 |
| 02:45.24 | Trek | boudiccas: as pointed by cantido you can change the video output in VLC |
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| 02:49.01 | caillean | i do have an usb-error when the webcam is activated in bios. http://paste.debian.net/226937/ i use debian wheezy, tried different kernel, but the error always comes. can somebody tell me what the error means? |
| 02:52.59 | cantido | caillean: usually that's a bad device, bad hub or bad cable |
| 02:53.20 | cantido | caillean: try plugging in something else/plugging it in to a different port |
| 02:53.36 | caillean | it is a notebook |
| 02:53.41 | cantido | caillean: I guess it might be internal.. does it work anywhere else? |
| 02:54.02 | caillean | no, and i dont have a windows to try |
| 02:54.29 | boudiccas | Trek: well i cant find where to change the video output in vlc, but in the bug report it mentioned dragonplayer, which i've just installed and its working well, got good graphics and sound too |
| 02:54.47 | cantido | I guess you could take the machine apart and check that the connector is seated correctly.. do other usb devices work if you plug them in externally? |
| 02:55.10 | caillean | i tried it with ubuntu cantido, but it was the same there |
| 02:56.02 | sney | it's probably just a bad internal cable. on laptops they tend to run those near the hinges and things can get pinched. |
| 02:56.18 | caillean | ok |
| 02:56.21 | cantido | caillean: yeah, it would be good if you could try with windows as it should work there but you don't have a windows install :/ |
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| 02:56.44 | cantido | yeah, those usb errors are usually bad cabling or a crappy usb device |
| 02:57.03 | Trek | boudiccas: the problem is that the radeon drivers don't support(?) XVideo and vlc fails somewhere |
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| 02:58.57 | caillean | perhaps i try to open the notebook to look |
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| 03:08.20 | Trek | boudiccas: it is a strange bug as usually XVideo is supported where OpenGL; also the bug is not resolved so you can confirm that you are affected sending an email with you actual configuration |
| 03:09.49 | boudiccas | Trek: yes, i've just upgraded my vlc to sid's to see if taht solves it but it hasn't |
| 03:11.34 | boudiccas | ,v vlc |
| 03:11.36 | judd | Package: vlc on i386 -- lenny: 0.8.6.h-4+lenny3; lenny-security: 0.8.6.h-4+lenny3; squeeze: 1.1.3-1squeeze6; squeeze-security: 1.1.3-1squeeze6; squeeze-backports: 2.0.3-1~bpo60+1; wheezy: 2.0.3-4; wheezy-proposed-updates: 2.0.3-4; sid: 2.0.5-1; sid-multimedia: 1:2.0.5-dmo1; wheezy-multimedia: 1:2.0.5-dmo1 |
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| 03:12.30 | cxz | hey guys |
| 03:12.42 | cxz | any ideas on the equivalent wheezy package for linux-image-xen-amd64? |
| 03:12.59 | cxz | is it xen-linux-system-amd64 |
| 03:13.00 | cxz | ? |
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| 03:15.23 | Cyclohexane | Can someone help me install subversion? I've tried endlessly. |
| 03:15.43 | alyvin05 | Can you speak chinese? |
| 03:15.53 | dvs | ??? |
| 03:16.15 | Cyclohexane | alyvin05: what's that got to do with the price of chips. |
| 03:18.57 | cxz | Cyclohexane: apt-get install subversion? |
| 03:19.00 | Trek | boudiccas: may be another bug with fix included http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=569098 |
| 03:19.14 | alyvin05 | sorry ! |
| 03:19.29 | Trek | boudiccas: they say that you should load radeon module before X starts |
| 03:20.01 | boudiccas | Trek: k, thnaks, stil reading through the first bug report that was poinred out to me |
| 03:20.11 | Miesco | When I type locale -a I get: locale: Cannot set LC_CTYPE to default locale: No such file or directory |
| 03:20.12 | Trek | Cyclohexane: what error installing svn? |
| 03:20.21 | boudiccas | bugger, my english is atrocious! |
| 03:21.06 | Cyclohexane | Trek: no error installing more configuring it and getting it to work.. |
| 03:21.19 | cxz | runs |
| 03:21.44 | alyvin05 | Cyclohexane: Sorry ! I go to the wrong room. |
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| 03:22.48 | Trek | Cyclohexane: this may help http://www.cs.ubc.ca/~vailen/svn_howto.htm |
| 03:24.24 | Miesco | wait fixed |
| 03:25.57 | Trek | Miesco: you have set a default locale that is not generated; this may help you: dpkg-reconfigure locales |
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| 03:26.50 | Miesco | Trek: I did LC_ALL=us_EN and now it works |
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| 03:30.19 | Trek | Miesco: LC_ALL and/or LANG was misconfigured. dpkg-reconfigure locales allows you to select what locales to generate and the default locale to use |
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| 03:47.22 | Dsbeerf | Hello, i have a vps with debian but the time on the machine is not right i setted the timezone to the good with but still not the good time and have not access to hwclock any idea ^ |
| 03:47.25 | Dsbeerf | ? |
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| 03:49.03 | Trek | Dsbeerf: date -s MMDDhhmm |
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| 03:49.26 | Dsbeerf | and after that even if it reboot it will stay ? |
| 03:49.33 | Trek | Dsbeerf: nope |
| 03:49.34 | cantido | Dsbeerf: You are paying for the service I would guess.. why don't you ask your provider how the clock should work |
| 03:49.43 | Trek | Dsbeerf: you should ask your provider |
| 03:50.07 | Dsbeerf | they arent open at this moment |
| 03:50.13 | Dsbeerf | ok then gonna write them an email. |
| 03:50.45 | Trek | Dsbeerf: you can use rdate at every boot |
| 03:51.02 | Dsbeerf | not rdate give me an error unable to access hwclock |
| 03:51.13 | Dsbeerf | Cannot access the Hardware Clock via any known method. |
| 03:51.14 | cantido | Dsbeerf: because you don't have one |
| 03:51.46 | cantido | How the clock works inside your environment depends on the hypervisor being used |
| 03:52.07 | cantido | and how your provider has configured things |
| 03:52.25 | zjhxmjl | hi,guys!how to use "adduser -p" to add user and passwd |
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| 03:54.33 | Trek | zjhxmjl: may be useadd? |
| 03:55.28 | sirToast | groupadd and useradd |
| 03:55.41 | zjhxmjl | Trek:thanks |
| 03:55.51 | zjhxmjl | man useradd:The encrypted password, as returned by crypt(3). The default is to |
| 03:55.51 | zjhxmjl | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:56.40 | sirToast | zjhxmjl: just use the passwd command after adding the user |
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| 03:57.18 | zjhxmjl | sirToast:thanks,that's a good idea,but ... |
| 03:57.22 | AlexLikeRock | how to play online zsnes OR snex9x ? |
| 03:57.29 | zjhxmjl | i want to adduser directly |
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| 04:01.04 | Trek | zjhxmjl: what is exactly the problem? |
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| 04:03.42 | Trek | zjhxmjl: useradd -p encrypted_password username |
| 04:04.01 | Trek | zjhxmjl: encrypted_password is the output of: mkpasswd -m sha-512 |
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| 04:17.50 | backupsguy | whats an alternative to user aliasing? |
| 04:18.08 | backupsguy | user1 and user2 having same uid |
| 04:18.11 | backupsguy | why is it bad? |
| 04:18.28 | backupsguy | btw hi #debian |
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| 04:20.04 | zjhxmjl | Trek:thanks,i'll try |
| 04:20.35 | peterrooney | backupsguy: (a) who says it's bad? (b) what are you trying to do? |
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| 04:22.19 | Trek | backupsguy: user aliasing under a mail server? |
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| 04:23.44 | backupsguy | peterrooney: Trek gimme a minute mate. |
| 04:23.58 | civillian | btrfs: is it any good? |
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| 04:25.59 | backupsguy | Trek: no. a backup server daemon that wants specific compiled in user.... |
| 04:26.19 | backupsguy | peterrooney: ok so it's not a bad idea. |
| 04:26.47 | backupsguy | i've aliased backup and amandabackup as having same uid. but i wasn't sure if there are other alternative |
| 04:27.26 | backupsguy | users: backup => distro, amandabackup => the bloody package |
| 04:27.34 | backupsguy | the bloody package wants to run as amandabackup |
| 04:27.45 | backupsguy | since its compiled in |
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| 04:28.00 | c1b3rh4ck | HI |
| 04:29.03 | backupsguy | peterrooney: but i guess you figured any backup user can modify amandabackup's files |
| 04:29.09 | Trek | backupsguy: aliasing an user is not bad as using a precompiled package with hardcoded values |
| 04:29.14 | backupsguy | peterrooney: but i guess you already figured any backup user can modify amandabackup's files |
| 04:29.57 | backupsguy | Trek: exactly. i have make sure this things protected by ACL as it does. i've never aliased users before. |
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| 04:31.39 | c1b3rh4ck | since a couple of weeks ago i've been using debsecan in a mix with mutt + cron,and logcheck,in my last review of my logs |
| 04:31.45 | c1b3rh4ck | i just simple got this |
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| 04:32.27 | c1b3rh4ck | Traceback (most recent call last): |
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| 04:32.28 | c1b3rh4ck | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:32.28 | c1b3rh4ck | <PROTECTED> |
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| 04:34.10 | backupsguy | alright thanks Trek |
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| 05:31.05 | Trek | bye |
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| 05:59.39 | kieppie | hi guys |
| 06:00.30 | kieppie | what is the most lightweight desktop/DM/WM I can use for my (headless) VM? & what VNC server would you recommend I use to connect to it? |
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| 06:04.51 | boudiccas | kieppie: LXDE |
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| 06:39.01 | outcase | Hi, guys! I have to download files(sthgYYDDMM.txt) from site every day: authorization, go to the page domain.com?page=DDMMYYYY and download file. How it should be done automatically? I can't find good query for google |
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| 07:03.44 | cantido | outcase: curl |
| 07:04.37 | cantido | outcase: if it needs you to fill in a form use curls cookie stuff to store the cookie from login and then do the download |
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| 07:09.44 | b0ss_ | does anybody here still have Google Desktop for Linux? |
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| 07:12.12 | James-C12 | So I'm used to RHET based Distros. I've been using Debian based distros as a desktop but as a server I'm still a little wet. From what I understand to restart the networking on debian I have to write a script to stop and start it again. Is that correct? |
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| 07:15.37 | cantido | /etc/init.d/networking? |
| 07:16.32 | James-C12 | but the restart function it depreciated and I wasn't sure why. |
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| 07:17.06 | James-C12 | Atleast when I tried the "/etc/init.d/networking restart" I had to login to the server locally to get the network back up |
| 07:17.27 | cantido | did you run over ssh? |
| 07:17.41 | James-C12 | yes |
| 07:17.46 | cantido | so it got killed when networking went down.. |
| 07:18.17 | James-C12 | and the networking stayed down. I had to manually log into the server locally and start the network back up |
| 07:18.30 | cantido | I'm not sure what the accepted way of doing stuff like that is but I use screen |
| 07:18.47 | cantido | for stuff like ifdown blah && ifup blah |
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| 07:24.56 | James-C12 | Okay 2nd questions. What files do I change the hostname in? besides /etc/hosts? |
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| 07:26.01 | James-C12 | oh never mine. I guess its just /etc/hostname |
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| 07:28.02 | peterrooney | It has been mentioned that "/etc/init.d/networking restart" is deprecated, but nobody has made it obvious what replaces it. |
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| 07:28.17 | peterrooney | It's more than a lot frustrating. |
| 07:28.47 | James-C12 | So I've read. So for now I guess I'll try and write and script that just runs a start stop function |
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| 07:30.47 | cantido | Configuring interfaces with ifupdown is "legacy" according to the debian reference .. not sure what you're supposed to use instead |
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| 07:33.15 | the-croupier | is there a way to find out... why one cannot use the full potential of a graphics card and monitor? im not very good with dmesg :( |
| 07:33.39 | cantido | the-croupier: look in your xorg log for that |
| 07:34.56 | the-croupier | ohhh i was completely in the wrong place :( thanks ;) |
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| 07:36.01 | James-C12 | the-croupier: Are you using the opensource drivers? |
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| 07:37.10 | James-C12 | If so thats why. The manufacture doesn't release the information for the opensource drivers to be coded for the full potential. Download and install the drivers from your manufacture assuming the have a driver for your linux arch and xorg version |
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| 07:45.40 | cantido | James-C12: vendor drivers are in debian where needed.. using the vendor's installer usually breaks stuff |
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| 07:49.07 | the-croupier | cantido: i did use something that looked like the manufacturers ;) and it did break stuff not long ago... |
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| 07:49.43 | the-croupier | also tried upgrading but i did something wrong :( now im sticking with squeeze for a bit... and ill start messing around after wheezy is out ;) |
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| 08:08.52 | homecable | any one running wheezy ? |
| 08:11.57 | Sm0ke0ut | yes |
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| 08:27.55 | nighthawknz | i need help with kernel can anyone help |
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| 08:29.49 | nighthawknz | it doesnt appear to have options in kernel |
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| 08:34.08 | tux__ | my pc dualboot winxp in derive c and win7 in derve d |
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| 08:36.03 | tux__ | win 7 in derive d can boot |
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| 09:13.27 | ChrisH | tuvwx: and what is your question? |
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| 09:15.49 | mvk | i'm using some debian based system, on whcih the developer tought it would be cool to totally prevent login .. |
| 09:16.00 | mvk | i get a blank-screen now during login |
| 09:16.23 | mvk | i checked that the user has a shell, with chsh, and usermod.. thats fine |
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| 09:16.46 | mvk | but i think something is changed in /etc/rc .. any hints where to look? |
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| 09:17.31 | ChrisH | mvk: as it is a "debian based system" go and ask them. BTW, how to you checked it? You must be loged in to do that. |
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| 09:17.58 | mvk | ChrisH: they are not responsive, its raspbmc |
| 09:18.08 | mvk | ChrisH: i can ssh into it |
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| 09:18.37 | well_laid_lawn | probably a graphics issue |
| 09:18.56 | mvk | in my shh, i get a shell.. but on the screen, directly on the machine |
| 09:18.59 | mvk | its blank.. |
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| 09:19.59 | mvk | i do see system messages rolling over the screen... like powerdown broadcast.. |
| 09:20.05 | mvk | but for the resst, all empty |
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| 09:22.10 | ChrisH | mvk: So you are looking onto the console? try: echo 1 > /dev/console |
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| 09:23.30 | ChrisH | if you see the 1 I have a clue where to continue |
| 09:24.07 | mvk | tsudo echo 1 > /dev/console -bash: /dev/console: Permission denied |
| 09:24.20 | mvk | sudo.. ^^ |
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| 09:25.20 | mvk | ChrisH: is that helping? |
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| 09:29.56 | ChrisH | mvk: that does not work. sudo -i ; echo 1 > /dev/console |
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| 09:30.35 | mvk | ChrisH: nothin on the screen :( |
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| 09:31.15 | ChrisH | does a /dev/console exists? you need to find the corresponing device file. check /etc/inittab |
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| 09:35.14 | Kartagis | hi |
| 09:35.40 | Kartagis | what service do I need to restart after changing hostname? |
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| 09:37.40 | ChrisH | Kartagis: I prefer to reboot, as several daemon might cache the hostname |
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| 09:43.48 | Kirito | Is DotDeb just really unreliable or something? Should I not be using it? Because they somehow managed to let a package get passed to their repos.. |
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| 09:43.53 | Kirito | ..that segfaults on its most basic function |
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| 09:44.43 | Kirito | I'm really beyond baffled someone could somehow let this happen |
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| 09:46.54 | ChrisH | !dotdeb |
| 09:46.54 | dpkg | http://dotdeb.org/ is an unofficial package repository with emphasis on the <LAMP> solution stack, unsupported in #debian. To get support, read http://www.dotdeb.org/2012/08/24/how-to-post-useful-bug-reports/ and report any issues to https://github.com/gplessis/dotdeb-php5/issues . Ask me about <dotdeb alternatives>. |
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| 10:19.42 | koshie | Hi |
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| 10:20.03 | koshie | If I want GNOME-Shell 3.6 into Wheezy, what is the good way ? |
| 10:20.07 | koshie | (please :]) |
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| 10:22.12 | soupwhale | Hey everyone. I run a small linux shell service, for people to host services like websites or gaming servers. The machine has two hard drives, both 3TB. The first one is about to be filled to capacity with regards to quota (that is, 30 users each with 100GB quota). Is there an easy way to change the 'adduser' tool so that it makes new users homefolders on, say, /mnt/home2 instead of /home? |
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| 10:22.52 | soupwhale | (also, shameless plug, if anyone would like a free shell account, check out soupwhale.com (nsfw, very childish and 4chany) |
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| 10:23.48 | PerfDave | soupwhale: I wouldn't want a free shell account from somebody who hasn't read "man adduser" :) |
| 10:23.56 | soupwhale | PerfDave: ah, haha. hm. |
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| 10:24.14 | soupwhale | oh look there it is, adduser --home |
| 10:24.15 | soupwhale | alright |
| 10:24.19 | soupwhale | i feel silly now |
| 10:25.04 | PerfDave | (also, RAID and LVM!) |
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| 10:25.08 | soupwhale | aha, i had been looking at useradd |
| 10:25.21 | soupwhale | yeah it's 4 3TB hdd's in raid |
| 10:25.23 | babilen | soupwhale: useradd is the evil twin ;) |
| 10:25.45 | soupwhale | man no wonder |
| 10:25.52 | soupwhale | some of the users i've created i had to do a bunch of extra stuff |
| 10:25.58 | soupwhale | i guess i never knew useradd and adduser were different |
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| 10:26.06 | soupwhale | i would just guess, and then figure i got it right since it existed |
| 10:26.07 | ChrisH | soupwhale: why not put these disks into LVM and simply extend the VG? |
| 10:26.34 | PerfDave | ChrisH: Probably 'cause you'd need to start from scratch if you hadn't already set it up like that |
| 10:26.36 | babilen | soupwhale: But to elaborate: you /should not need/ /home2 -- You should make sure that your /home is large enough. You can, for example, combine multiple physical harddrives into a single logical volume with LVM |
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| 10:26.59 | soupwhale | yeah, unfortunately the box is very remote, and i have a strong dislike of doing disk partitioning remotely |
| 10:27.02 | soupwhale | since if i mess something up |
| 10:27.07 | babilen | will from now on only drop buzz-words as to not be outdone by ChrisH :) |
| 10:27.36 | soupwhale | well thanks guys |
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| 10:28.33 | soupwhale | maybe i'll start coming to #debian as my first-line-of-support. i'd been using #archlinux since it was the antithesis of #ubuntu while still being helpful, but this place seems cooler. |
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| 10:29.52 | PerfDave | soupwhale: Please don't come to #debian unless you're using Debian. If you're using Arch, Mint or Ubuntu we can't help you. |
| 10:30.00 | soupwhale | Definitely using debian |
| 10:30.04 | soupwhale | debian squeeze atm |
| 10:30.09 | soupwhale | on all my servers |
| 10:30.31 | jelly | well do come here, just keep from asking questions pertaining to other OSes |
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| 10:31.45 | soupwhale | yeah, don't worry |
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| 10:33.13 | soupwhale | although i always get weirded out. Like, if I come in here to ask about apache, and then get sent to #httpd, and then one of the lines of one of my script is 'apache2ctl restart' and they freak out and tell me to come back here... i've always kind of disliked such strong exclusivity since there's such a huge overlap |
| 10:33.23 | ChrisH | honestely, it looks like LVM is not wide spreaded within Linux Users. And I do not understand why. |
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| 10:34.09 | EmleyMoor | ChrisH: Perception of it being slow, I think, mainly... |
| 10:34.24 | EmleyMoor | I always use it, for real machines |
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| 10:36.37 | ChrisH | too. meanwhile I started to put a md device below and use a degraded Raid1 with 1 Disk. |
| 10:37.48 | EmleyMoor | I don't use LVM for virtual machines, yet... |
| 10:38.10 | PerfDave | I do because it's the default in the Debian installer :) |
| 10:39.13 | EmleyMoor | PerfDave: I plan to have a go one day. I like to mount the VM's filesystems while the VM is down - not sure yet how that would work with LVM |
| 10:39.34 | PerfDave | If you can access the disk image format, then it's pretty easy. |
| 10:40.11 | PerfDave | Get a /dev node for the raw "disk", then use kpartx to add its partitions (one of which will be LVM), then use vgchange -ay to add the new volume groups. |
| 10:40.21 | PerfDave | Make sure you're using different PV names ;) |
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| 10:40.44 | ChrisH | EmleyMoor: Why not inside VMs? How do you increase Filesystems there? My tests with increasing the "physical Disk" to get a larger Filesystem failed all. |
| 10:41.19 | EmleyMoor | ChrisH: I'm just used to using ordinary partitions at present... |
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| 10:46.28 | ChrisH | babilen: cloud |
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| 10:50.02 | hid3 | Hello everyone. Is there any way to replace zlib libraries with lzma ones so that all other programs requiring zlib would compress in lzma format instead of gzip? |
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| 10:51.55 | jelly | hid3: without rebuilding the source and adding proper support? |
| 10:51.56 | PerfDave | hid3: And what happens when you try to decompress a gzip archive? :) |
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| 10:52.35 | PerfDave | Perhaps because you're installing a Debian package? :) |
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| 10:53.44 | Slydder | hey all. I have a tiny (djb) dns server (ns3) that gets updated and then sends a dnsnotify out to ns1 and ns2 (nsd3 servers) to start zone transfers. I just added our first spf record to our domain and all looks good when you use spfquery on ns3 but the txt records are not being transferred to ns1 or ns2. anyone have an idea what's going on here? |
| 10:53.59 | hid3 | No, this is not about packages. E.g. I use flow-tools (compiled from source). It uses zlib.h and actually the zlib library. In fact, it compresses using gzip format. I mean, I'd like to have a drop-in function to compress/uncompress in LZMA format, just to replace the gzip one. That would save TONS of space for me (several tens of terabytes) |
| 10:54.37 | hid3 | I rarely (if ever) need to uncompress/view the flow files, so compression/uncompression speed doesn't matter to me. |
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| 10:54.57 | PerfDave | hid3: If you mess around with system libraries so programmes' attempts to use zlib use lzma instead, then that'll affect other things too. |
| 10:55.15 | hid3 | PerfDave: what about installing it at a different location, etc? |
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| 10:55.47 | PerfDave | hid3: There doesn't actually seem to be a nice lzma library package in Debian, though there's p7zip and p7zip-full |
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| 10:56.12 | hid3 | I actually found a RPM package called "lzma-zlib-devel". It's description says: "Use lzma-zlib-devel as a drop-in replacement for zlib if you wish to use LZMA compression." I guess there should be something similar in Debian too |
| 10:56.13 | PerfDave | hid3: What you want to do is add LZMA support to flow-tools properly rather than trying to bodge it with linker hacks. |
| 10:56.44 | hid3 | PerfDave: well, flow-tools is actually a dead project as far as I understand (last release in 2005 or so) |
| 10:57.05 | PerfDave | hid3: Well volunteered :) |
| 10:57.10 | hid3 | I can't rewrite the source code from scratch.. |
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| 10:58.25 | PerfDave | hid3: Why start from scratch? You've got a working tool that needs minor modification. |
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| 10:59.04 | PerfDave | hid3: You could start by talking to the Debian flow-tools maintainers? |
| 10:59.29 | hid3 | Sorry, I'm a sys/net admin, I'm a total noob in programming |
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| 11:00.04 | PerfDave | And yet you wanted to implement a dynamic linker hack to divert calls from one system library to another? |
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| 11:00.45 | PerfDave | Anyway, maybe start by filing a feature request "bug" against flow-utils for LZMA support? |
| 11:00.56 | jacklk | Can someone help me? |
| 11:01.12 | hid3 | It would take years for it to be developed and included in at least testing distro |
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| 11:01.22 | hid3 | If that'll ever happen at all |
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| 11:01.41 | PerfDave | hid3: So you're not going to do it yourself, and you're not going to ask somebody else to do it. Guess you're SOL then? |
| 11:02.10 | jacklk | (SOL = Stupid old Lamer) |
| 11:02.33 | hid3 | Well. Firstly, I'm going to try to DYI. Secondly, I'll fill the feature request. Will be surprised if anyone ever accepts it, though. |
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| 11:10.09 | jacklk | hi |
| 11:10.14 | jacklk | What happened to Wolvix? |
| 11:10.22 | jacklk | Can someone help me? |
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| 11:11.10 | jelly | hid3: well, since you already know there's a package in a different distro, you can figure out its source and try build them on debian |
| 11:11.27 | jelly | jacklk: do you have a Debian question? |
| 11:11.57 | jacklk | jelly: no Slackware |
| 11:12.11 | jacklk | Slackware is Debian's daddy |
| 11:12.38 | jelly | jacklk: try the ##slackware channel. |
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| 11:12.49 | jacklk | good idea |
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| 11:15.33 | Haris | Hello |
| 11:15.47 | Haris | Is it possible to upgrade mysql-server to something like 5.1.x on etch ? |
| 11:16.00 | nkuttler | ugh.. |
| 11:16.02 | Haris | I have an old production box which is the replication master, at present. |
| 11:16.15 | nkuttler | Haris: you could try to backport it i guess |
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| 11:16.20 | Haris | I'v built a new slave box. And am having dismay because of version miss-match |
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| 11:16.43 | PerfDave | Haris: You really want to look at upgrading the entire distro. Etch has no security support so your replication master is probably vulnerable. |
| 11:17.42 | Haris | this box is located on LAN segment. Cut out from the Internet |
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| 11:18.57 | PerfDave | I'm sure that makes it all better :) |
| 11:19.19 | PerfDave | What's the slave box running? |
| 11:19.30 | Haris | PerfDave: I agree with you. I just can't *afford* to *fiddle* with this box in the *short* term |
| 11:19.41 | Haris | so that's not the focus atm |
| 11:20.05 | PerfDave | Haris: Trying to backport a critical service to an unsupported distro sounds like fiddling to me ;) |
| 11:20.41 | jelly | even lenny didn't have 5.1 |
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| 11:21.13 | Haris | *ouch* |
| 11:21.22 | Haris | This means I'll need a build a brand new box for the master too |
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| 11:22.46 | PerfDave | Haris: How painful is scheduling downtime? Transferring a DB dump (probably not in binary format) to the new "slave" should work, so set *that* up as the new master, then reinstall the old master :) |
| 11:23.24 | Haris | Yep. I'v added this to my todo list. This is a *thorn* on my side |
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| 11:23.59 | PerfDave | Ending up with boxes running out-of-date releases always causes more pain than it's worth in the long run, sadly. |
| 11:24.22 | PerfDave | Especially when you're more than one stable release behind. |
| 11:25.26 | jelly | PerfDave: dude, Debian does not even HAVE a long-run any more |
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| 11:30.10 | ChrisH | Haris: depening on the commercial impact. You could build a similar setup in VMs and try there to sync a current replication box into. And if that works with VMs you can do it on real systems and phase out the etch box |
| 11:31.03 | Haris | Yes, ofcourse |
| 11:31.07 | Haris | Its just extra work |
| 11:31.27 | Haris | that I can't afford in the short term. But will be hard pressed to do |
| 11:32.12 | ChrisH | It siimply depends on how important the Database are for the business. It's only a matter of money and proper change Management. |
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| 11:33.11 | PerfDave | ChrisH: "only" is a bit of an understatement in many businesses. |
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| 11:33.48 | Haris | change management is the problem with businessmen |
| 11:33.50 | Haris | lol |
| 11:33.51 | PerfDave | At a previous job it took the company losing £1m as a result of database downtime for them to commit £100k to replacing the system with a redundant DB cluster. |
| 11:33.52 | Haris | bbiab guys |
| 11:34.38 | ChrisH | PerfDave: full ack. running the tests will cost X EUR. Killing the datbase and the business will cost Y EUR. Is X > Y or Y > X ? Then decide on how to proceed. |
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| 11:38.09 | ChrisH | Haris: "change management is the problem with businessmen" No. with above explanation every businessmen has to understand that Change Management is needed. |
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| 12:00.57 | keks | hi, apparently mercurial is broken |
| 12:01.04 | keks | well, your package |
| 12:01.06 | keks | in debian 6 |
| 12:01.13 | keks | http://stackoverflow.com/questions/8170360/installing-mercurial-on-debian-squeeze-hg-gives-an-couldnt-find-mercurial-lib |
| 12:01.19 | keks | this still was a problem for me |
| 12:01.45 | keks | that answer is over one year old |
| 12:01.52 | keks | how can this not be fixed? |
| 12:02.12 | ksk | take a look at bts maybe |
| 12:02.15 | ksk | !tell keks about bts |
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| 12:03.43 | keks | there was a bug regarding this, however it is marked done |
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| 12:03.49 | keks | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=646546 |
| 12:03.54 | ksk | do you run a VPS maybe? |
| 12:04.25 | keks | yep |
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| 12:05.10 | keks | are VPSs a problem sometimes? |
| 12:05.33 | ChrisH | keks: did you open the Ticket646546? Did you check the installtion |
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| 12:06.31 | keks | i din't open it, however it still is a problem |
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| 12:07.47 | ksk | the bugreport ( as you know, as you read it) suggest it might be a problem with broken vps images |
| 12:07.58 | ChrisH | keks: that Bug is archived. so no one will wortk on it. Did you verify your installed packages are OK? from my understanding of the inital Link and the Bug it was caused a corrupt installation image |
| 12:07.59 | ksk | so if you reinstall your python-common and it works it will most likely be the issue |
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| 12:09.37 | ChrisH | and if that fixes it, contact your VPS support to have them fix their image. |
| 12:09.56 | ChrisH | If not, reopen the Bug report and add exactly the steps done. |
| 12:10.49 | keks | yeah i reinstalled python-support and then mercurial and mercurial common |
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| 12:11.06 | keks | okay, thanks |
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| 12:11.37 | voltagex | I've got two problems with Avahi - one is that I'm getting -22 and -23 appended to hostnames, and the other is that no other address than the local machine can be resolved, although I can see other names |
| 12:11.43 | voltagex | #avahi is dead |
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| 12:19.06 | ChrisH | voltagex: That avahi this zero-config stuff? Breaking working Network setups with modifieing Interface IPs and Co? I tend to uninstall that stuff very early after installing a new system. |
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| 12:20.57 | themill | ChrisH: not quite. avahi-autoipd is about making up ip addresses when the dhcp server didn't reply. Other parts of avahi don't touch that at all. |
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| 12:24.11 | voltagex | I actually find avahi very useful normally but this is odd |
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| 12:51.55 | quebre | hi |
| 12:52.07 | quebre | /usr/bin/ld: skipping incompatible /usr/lib/gcc/x86_64-linux-gnu/4.7/../../../libelf.so when searching for -lelf |
| 12:52.12 | quebre | what's wrong?.. |
| 12:52.58 | ChrisH | 64bit lib on 32bit linker run? Just guessing |
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| 12:53.27 | quebre | must be, so how could i fix that? |
| 12:53.58 | Haris | Is upgrading from one version of debian to another a *smooth* process, repeatable from etch upto the current |
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| 12:55.13 | Haris | also, is there a *manual* way I can install mysql-server 5.1.x on etch ? |
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| 12:56.19 | quebre | it seems i'm missing proper 32bit libraries on my 64bit debian, how can i get these 32bit libraries so i can compile good ? |
| 12:56.44 | ChrisH | quebre: why not compiling a 64bit binary? |
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| 12:56.53 | themill | Haris: etch hasn't been supported for a long time... you might like to upgrade to lenny then squeeze to get a supported release. Upgrades are relatively smooth -- the procedure is well documented in the release notes for each release -- /msg dpkg etch->lenny; /msg dpkg lenny->squeeze |
| 12:58.10 | quebre | ChrisH: i have software surce where in order to build it i have to type 'scons' in the source dir, so i type it, it compiles but when 'ld' start linking, i get these errors about 'skipping incompatible' |
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| 12:58.50 | quebre | LINKFLAGS=['-m32', '-shared'], |
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| 13:00.45 | ChrisH | quebre: why not replace -m32 with -m64 ? Just if you compile the SW for your own box, this would be the fastest way. |
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| 13:01.51 | quebre | let me try |
| 13:02.15 | quebre | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:02.23 | quebre | should i change the -march as well to something else ? |
| 13:02.50 | ChrisH | Why? |
| 13:03.08 | quebre | i dont know, anyway i've changed the -m32 to -m64 and now i get this: |
| 13:03.12 | quebre | src/CAimbot.cpp:1:0: error: CPU you selected does not support x86-64 instruction set |
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| 13:03.55 | ChrisH | I would remove march from a quick google research |
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| 13:04.34 | quebre | ok |
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| 13:05.36 | quebre | now it compiled a little |
| 13:05.37 | quebre | but then |
| 13:05.44 | quebre | src/CDetour.cpp:90:47: error: cast from 'void*' to 'u_int32_t {aka unsigned int}' loses precision [-fpermissive] |
| 13:05.47 | quebre | a lot of these |
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| 13:06.23 | Haris | I have this ( http://pastebin.com/SC0cWCq4 ) in my sources.list at this time |
| 13:06.36 | Haris | do I change this to what dpkg says about etch sources.list |
| 13:06.47 | Haris | or let it be as is |
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| 13:08.57 | ChrisH | quebre: this error shows an compiler flag: -fpermissive Check this flag in the compiler man page |
| 13:09.56 | quebre | "Downgrade some diagnostics about nonconformant code from errors to warnings. Thus, using -fpermissive will allow some nonconforming code to compile." |
| 13:10.21 | mactimes | Hey, everyone. I'm runniing squeeze here and I've been facing issues with synaptics. It says "A problem occurred when checking for the updates" and I haven't managed to find the reason. It had been updating normally until last week. I think the problem occurred on friday or so. Any tips on how to troubleshoot this? |
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| 13:10.49 | ChrisH | quebre: then act as man page suggests. And/or get in touch with the ones you got the source code from. |
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| 13:12.07 | mactimes | Oh, just an important info I forgot: #apt-get update works like a charm. The problem seems to be on synaptics only. |
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| 13:13.14 | ChrisH | mactimes: different proxy settings between apt-get and synatpics? |
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| 13:13.37 | mactimes | ChrisH No proxy servers at all, anywhere. |
| 13:14.14 | ChrisH | mactimes: apt-get update && apt-get -s upgrade ; do work? |
| 13:15.56 | mactimes | ChrisH Yup. |
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| 13:16.40 | ChrisH | Then I would use it and keep the finger crossed, there is a new synatics in the upgrade which does work again :) |
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| 13:18.09 | mactimes | ChrisH Hahahaha. Sure! I was wondering if synaptics uses somehow different caches. Maybe I should purge it all and see if that works. |
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| 13:19.05 | ChrisH | I only use apt-get and sometimes aptitude. dunno about synaptics |
| 13:19.40 | mactimes | ChrisH Same here. But freaking user is annoying me with "I don't like that message standing there..." |
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| 13:20.08 | ChrisH | upgrade his box and reboot :) |
| 13:20.14 | mactimes | ChrisH Anyways, I appreciate your time and help. ;-) |
| 13:20.29 | mactimes | ChrisH The problems is: It IS up-to-date. :P |
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| 13:30.53 | ChrisH | mactimes: hmmm. replace user? :) |
| 13:31.30 | mactimes | ChrisH ... And press any key to continue... |
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| 13:31.59 | ChrisH | mactimes: Can you tcpdump while synaptic tries to update? |
| 13:32.11 | Haris | is lenny also gone to the archive ? |
| 13:32.23 | mactimes | ChrisH In a bit. I'm trying something here... Just a sec. |
| 13:32.28 | Haris | Failed to fetch http://security.debian.org/dists/lenny/updates/main/binary-i386/Packages.gz 404 Not Found [IP: 195.20.242.89 80] |
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| 13:35.41 | Haris | is there a way to get around this |
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| 13:37.36 | Iridos | dpkg, lenny |
| 13:37.37 | dpkg | Lenny is the codename for Debian GNU/Linux 5.0, released on February 15th, 2009. Lenny security support ended on 2012-02-06, this release is no longer supported. Lenny users should upgrade to Squeeze, ask me about <lenny->squeeze>. Removed from the mirrors (2012-03-25), ask me about <lenny sources.list>. For old Lenny ISOs, ask me about <lenny iso>. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianLenny http://www.debian.org/News/2012/20120209 |
| 13:37.39 | Iridos | dpkg, lenny sources.list |
| 13:37.39 | dpkg | Lenny is no longer on the mirror network but can be found on archive.debian.org; you can use sources.list lines "deb http://archive.debian.org/debian/ lenny main" and "deb http://archive.debian.org/debian-security lenny/updates main". Realise that Lenny has not had security support since February 2012 and that you should upgrade to a newer, supported release. Ask me about <lenny->squeeze>. |
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| 13:39.38 | mactimes | ChrisH Fixed. Got mirrors from netselect-apt and checked files permissions on /etc/apt. Somehow those were not "compatible" with defaults from clean setup. |
| 13:39.48 | Iridos | Haris, ^^^ |
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| 13:40.01 | mactimes | ChrisH Once again, thank you for your time and help. ;-) |
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| 13:42.17 | mns | has anyone converted from ext4 to ext3 ? I'm considering doing that with Wheezy/x86_64. |
| 13:42.18 | Haris | ok. lenny's gone to the archive too |
| 13:42.22 | Haris | also, how do I fix this -> E: Dynamic MMap ran out of room |
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| 13:43.13 | Haris | is this it -> http://www.howtoforge.com/apt-e-dynamic-mmap-ran-out-of-room ? |
| 13:44.00 | bniels | mns, from ext4 to ext3? why would you want to go backwards? is there something you don't like with ext4 in comparison to ext3? |
| 13:44.06 | jelly | !tell Haris about dynamic mmap |
| 13:44.07 | ChrisH | Haris: yes. give it a try. |
| 13:44.23 | mns | Haris: in /etc/apt/apt.conf set Cache-Limit 67108864 and that should solve it. |
| 13:44.53 | mactimes | Haris I try to keep my system up-to-date and I'm not sure if this will work for you. But you can make a backup of your /etc/apt/sources.list and run netselect-apt to make a new one and see if things work out. 'netselect-apt -s lenny' or check for further netselect-apt options. |
| 13:45.30 | mns | bniels: my system keeps locking up for no reason, and from a few places that I"ve heard, it seems to be filesystem related. that's why. |
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| 13:46.40 | mns | Haris: why are you on lenny anyway ? upgrade to squeeze at least if not wheezy. |
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| 13:48.07 | bniels | well, i never had problems with ext4. (apart from some obvious inherent design features which i can deal with, but no lockups) |
| 13:48.50 | Yeretik | Has anybody (if is possible) connected a Polycom QDX 6000 teleconference device with an OpenFire server ? |
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| 13:50.41 | jelly | last I've seen problems with ext4 was about 2.6.36 kernel or so |
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| 13:54.44 | ChrisH | mactimes: You're welcome |
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| 13:56.28 | mns | jelly: I'm on the 3.2.0 kernel |
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| 14:03.26 | LZ2ILR | hi, i need a commandline mentor please, any takers? |
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| 14:03.56 | LZ2ILR | need to play with modules outside kernel |
| 14:04.12 | blackmagic | dont play, learn :) |
| 14:04.53 | LZ2ILR | qudos, a tricky situation though |
| 14:05.29 | LZ2ILR | im using someone elses compiled kernel and i need to add modules without recompiling |
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| 14:05.49 | LZ2ILR | the modules are rt2800 |
| 14:06.07 | LZ2ILR | and normally included in the kernel 3 |
| 14:06.24 | LZ2ILR | also zd1201 and pegasus |
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| 14:08.58 | babilen | LZ2ILR: Just install a Debian kernel and you don't have to compile at all. |
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| 14:09.31 | koshie | LZ2ILR: also you can add a module without recompiling your kernel |
| 14:09.34 | koshie | with modprob |
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| 14:10.09 | babilen | koshie: I think LZ2ILR meant that the module was not compiled in the first place (for whatever reason) |
| 14:10.34 | LZ2ILR | i am not in a position to recompile |
| 14:10.41 | floogy | Hi, I want to reduce the amount of space locale achives under /usr/lib/locale |
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| 14:10.45 | Pymous | Hello ! |
| 14:10.57 | babilen | LZ2ILR: So, just install the Debian kernel and you are done |
| 14:11.08 | Pymous | When I try to upgrade to PHP 5.3, I have an error saying the paquet have some non satisfied dependancy |
| 14:11.12 | Pymous | How can I fix that plz ? |
| 14:11.37 | floogy | Is there a nice default tool for that task? |
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| 14:12.01 | babilen | floogy: You can remove some of the locales and/or use programs such as localepurge. /usr/lib/locale typically uses not much space anyway. How large is it for you? |
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| 14:12.38 | LZ2ILR | the kernel is compiled for an arm development board, im not good enough yet to play with all those variables, also im not gifted with a decent machine to compile on if i was. i know modprobe but not where to get the modules from. |
| 14:12.50 | floogy | 739M /dev/vzfs 4,5G 4,5G 59M 99% / |
| 14:12.52 | babilen | floogy: I've never found the space used by locales on my system to be any problem - how come you have so little space that it becomes an issue? |
| 14:13.06 | babilen | LZ2ILR: So you are not using Debian then? |
| 14:13.16 | floogy | It's a too cheap vserver |
| 14:13.24 | babilen | floogy: And what does "du -sh /usr/lib/locale/" give you? |
| 14:13.34 | floogy | yes 739M |
| 14:13.50 | ChrisH | has 4MB in /usr/lib/locale/ |
| 14:14.06 | woshty | is there a way to not have adduser ask full name etc? |
| 14:14.15 | ChrisH | floogy: how many locales do you have below /usr/lib/locale/ |
| 14:14.15 | floogy | I got only 59M spare on that server :( |
| 14:14.28 | floogy | I guess too much |
| 14:14.33 | LZ2ILR | babilen: yes its debian but because of the specialised hardware i am downloading images for sd card done by a much greater man than i |
| 14:14.43 | LZ2ILR | wheezy |
| 14:14.45 | koshie | I've an issue on Debian Wheezy (GNOME-Shell 3.4), I've configured my Canon MG5250 with system-config-printer for a network usage. I'm going to localhost:631 and run a print test page but nothing happens. This is /var/log/cups/error_log http://pastebin.com/uk6Se8ep in debug mode when I've runned my print test page. |
| 14:14.47 | mactimes | woshty Try useradd |
| 14:14.53 | koshie | Also I've this error in webinterface of cups: "/usr/lib/cups/backend/lpd failed" |
| 14:14.57 | mactimes | woshty Check parameters first |
| 14:15.10 | themill | woshty: look at --gecos |
| 14:15.37 | floogy | Insanley complete set of locale ;P |
| 14:15.43 | babilen | floogy: So using a Debian kernel is /not/ an option? Which board is that and where is that kernel from? |
| 14:15.54 | floogy | locale -a|wc -l |
| 14:15.54 | floogy | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:16.27 | floogy | babilen, for today I'm the locales man |
| 14:16.28 | woshty | themill: thx, so --gecos "" should do what i want? |
| 14:16.30 | babilen | floogy: You might want to run "dpkg-reconfigure locales" and/or remove the locales-all package before doing anything strange such as using localepurge |
| 14:16.38 | LZ2ILR | in short im worried about needing to compile a module to work with my arm system |
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| 14:16.51 | floogy | thx, babilen. |
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| 14:17.26 | babilen | floogy: Running "apt-get clean" or "apt-get autoclean" is also a good idea ... But I would actually check what space is being used for. A very good approach is to remove packages you don't really need. |
| 14:17.37 | jelly | LZ2ILR: ask your kernel vendor to provide kernel headers as well. |
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| 14:18.20 | babilen | LZ2ILR: You should be able to compile modules out-of-tree, but you need headers. Would you mind to elaborate on what kind of hardware you are working and which kernel you use? |
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| 14:18.32 | floogy | yes, but is's all cleaned up. I debugged lighty config, and therefore I produced too much logs |
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| 14:19.09 | Pymous | I'm having a HUGE issue, I just updated my installation, and now, when I go to a .php on my web server, it just download a file instead of displaying the page, any idea ? |
| 14:19.18 | floogy | babilen apt-get remove locales -all only removes the meta-package , it frees up 4k |
| 14:19.21 | LZ2ILR | i dont know what a header is! the board is an olinuxino a13 and runs on allwinnera13 soc |
| 14:19.57 | floogy | sry 3695 kB |
| 14:20.18 | LZ2ILR | is there a repo i can go to and find for example a rt73 module off the shelf? |
| 14:20.23 | Towzzer | pymous, libapache2-mod-php5 installed? |
| 14:20.35 | mactimes | Pymous Do you mind if I make an obvious question? |
| 14:20.48 | Mysterytrain | I want to adjust framebuffer in grub, which line do I add to /etc/default/grub? I want 1024x768 with 16 bit. I'm running 2.6.32-5-6686 kernel. would it be vga=791? |
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| 14:21.01 | Pymous | mactimes > yes ? |
| 14:21.03 | Pymous | Towzzer > Trying |
| 14:21.07 | jelly | points LZ2ILR to #arm-netbook where the author of LZ2ILR's image might hang out |
| 14:21.08 | Pymous | to check |
| 14:21.19 | zykotick9 | Mysterytrain: actually vga= is deprecated |
| 14:21.26 | Pymous | but it was before the update |
| 14:21.39 | Towzzer | a2enmod php |
| 14:21.49 | babilen | floogy: Well, run "apt-get --purge autoremove" after doing that :) |
| 14:21.51 | mactimes | Pymous Towzzer asked what I was about to. |
| 14:22.10 | Mysterytrain | zykotick9: ok, so what do I do then?/ |
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| 14:22.14 | mactimes | Pymous What issues are you facing while trying to install PHP? |
| 14:22.35 | zykotick9 | Mysterytrain: research GRUB_GFXMODE= |
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| 14:22.57 | floogy | Hm, babilen, strange I ionly got 6 en and two de locales ticked at dpkg-reconfigure locales. |
| 14:23.03 | Pymous | mactimes > Unsatisfied dependacy |
| 14:23.07 | Pymous | (sorry for my english, but i'm french) |
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| 14:23.21 | babilen | Mysterytrain: No, you simply configure GRUB_GFXMODE in /etc/default/grub -- See "info -f grub -n 'Simple configuration'" for more details |
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| 14:23.43 | Pymous | Towzzer > sd-23167:~# a2enmod php |
| 14:23.44 | Pymous | ERROR: Module php does not exist! |
| 14:23.44 | mactimes | Pymous No problem. Could you paste those dependencies on a pastebin? |
| 14:24.02 | Towzzer | pymous I forgot what the module is called actually, is that package installed? |
| 14:24.06 | Pymous | mactimes >> http://pastebin.com/vAQCpST2 |
| 14:24.21 | petn-randall | Anyone using asterisk on stable? Seems as though the 'even number means stable version' was adopted ... :] |
| 14:24.26 | mactimes | Pymous Oh.... Try a2enmod php5 |
| 14:24.53 | Pymous | mactimes > I did that, now I have this error when reloading apache2 |
| 14:25.07 | Pymous | mactimes > http://pastebin.com/TmZ5LD6J |
| 14:25.13 | LZ2ILR | its not a netbook its just a barebones board for controll systems. the company dont really deal with software and its one of the forum members that has been working on compiling sd images for lesser mortals. only i want to be able to do little things like hardware driver installation myself anyway. i came up against a wall with not knowing what to google for |
| 14:25.25 | floogy | babilen, bizarre: Removing locales, Generating locales (this might take a while)... |
| 14:25.45 | floogy | Ah, ok, only the ones I ticked |
| 14:25.51 | petn-randall | squeeze's asterisk with the version '+squeeze7' and '+squeeze9' both broke the package ... these were security updates, btw. |
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| 14:26.07 | ChrisH | Pymous: libapache2-mod-php5: /usr/lib/apache2/modules/libphp5.so ?? |
| 14:26.09 | mactimes | Pymous apt-get install php5 |
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| 14:26.37 | Pymous | mactimes > When I do that, I have this error : http://pastebin.com/Wr6YUEK9 |
| 14:26.52 | Towzzer | how did you upgrade |
| 14:26.53 | Pymous | ChrisH > File doesn't exist |
| 14:27.01 | Pymous | Towzzer > apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 14:27.12 | floogy | apt-get --purge autoremove did only removed lzma* |
| 14:27.24 | ChrisH | Pymous: I do not understand that french text. |
| 14:27.25 | Mysterytrain | so it'd be something like GRUB_GFXMODE=1024x768x16 ? |
| 14:27.39 | Pymous | ChrisH > That mean some dependancy aren't satisfied |
| 14:27.41 | mactimes | Pymous Can you run 'apt-get update' and 'apt-get -s upgrade' with no errors? |
| 14:28.13 | Pymous | mactimes > Yes |
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| 14:28.23 | floogy | babilen, no it has got deleted the locale archives, thank you. |
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| 14:28.38 | floogy | But apt-get didn't tell. |
| 14:28.40 | mactimes | Pymous dpkg -l | grep -ie apache2 |
| 14:28.51 | mactimes | Pymous dpkg -l | grep -ie php |
| 14:28.51 | ChrisH | Pymous: LANG=C aptitude -s install libapache2-mod-php5 |
| 14:29.27 | Pymous | mactimes > http://pastebin.com/JWgL4iwd |
| 14:29.53 | Towzzer | lenny |
| 14:29.56 | Towzzer | interesting |
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| 14:30.01 | ChrisH | lenny? |
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| 14:30.20 | Towzzer | his package versions |
| 14:30.21 | Pymous | ChrisH > http://pastebin.com/ALNtb7KS |
| 14:30.37 | Towzzer | and you are using dotdeb |
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| 14:30.53 | Towzzer | oh so you did an upgrade with dotdeb packages installed |
| 14:31.18 | Pymous | I don't know about all that :( |
| 14:31.22 | Pymous | Here is my sources.list : |
| 14:31.22 | Pymous | deb http://archive.debian.org/debian lenny main contrib |
| 14:31.22 | Pymous | deb-src http://archive.debian.org/debian lenny main contrib |
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| 14:31.45 | mactimes | Pymous Just accept that solution. |
| 14:31.55 | M20 | hey, I installed debian Hebrew. When I try to cd to the desktop from the terminal, I can't, because the desktop is written in hebrew. So are other directories. How can I cd to them? |
| 14:31.57 | mactimes | Pymous Make your system run clean again. |
| 14:32.05 | Pymous | You mean.. formate ? >< |
| 14:32.06 | mactimes | Pymous Than upgrade it to latest Debian. |
| 14:32.11 | mactimes | Pymous Nope. |
| 14:32.16 | Pymous | Then how ? |
| 14:32.29 | Pymous | Uninstall php/apache ? |
| 14:32.32 | mactimes | Pymous That solution apt-get offered you on the paste you sent to ChrisH |
| 14:32.54 | floogy | Pymous, dpkg -l apache2* |grep ^ii is somewhat cleaner |
| 14:32.58 | Pymous | mactimes > Sorry, didn't seen it |
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| 14:33.19 | Pymous | mactimes > Remove php5-xdebug ? |
| 14:33.49 | ChrisH | M20: If you install something in hewbrew I assume you can read it. Or what is the question? |
| 14:33.56 | mactimes | Pymous And downgrade php5-common |
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| 14:34.20 | ChrisH | Pymous: LANG=C aptitude install libapache2-mod-php5 |
| 14:34.23 | Pymous | mactimes > I don't know how to downgrade, can you help me with that ? |
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| 14:34.34 | ChrisH | and answer Y to: Accept this solution? [Y/n/q/?] |
| 14:34.39 | M20 | That's not the question. I'm trying to cd to the desktop from the terminal, but I have no "desktop" it's written in hebrew. And I can't write hebrew letters in the terminal |
| 14:34.58 | mactimes | Pymous ^^^ (Last messages from ChrisH ) |
| 14:35.12 | Pymous | ChanServ > I already accepted that, but nothing change, I will remove xdebug and retry |
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| 14:35.13 | mactimes | Pymous Do that and your problem shall be fixed. |
| 14:35.20 | Pymous | I'm just doing a save of my database and I'm trying that |
| 14:35.48 | ChrisH | Pymous: The first command was using -s which means, dry-run, do not change anything |
| 14:35.58 | floogy | M20 lol, I got the same with ubuntu in german, but that was no issue. |
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| 14:36.15 | Pymous | ChanServ > Oh, okay ! Nice to know |
| 14:36.54 | floogy | M20, Is this also the default now in debian? |
| 14:36.57 | ChrisH | M20: can you do an UTF8 dump from a ls or a png screenshoot? I am just curious and sadly have no idea on how to help. |
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| 14:37.38 | floogy | ChrisH, he could extract that word from the ls output by sed |
| 14:37.40 | Pymous | AWESOME ! |
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| 14:37.42 | mactimes | Pymous You might want to check apt-get man page. That is a MUST know, if you're administering your own deb. There are useful options. Take some time to do it. |
| 14:37.46 | floogy | and put it into a var |
| 14:37.47 | Pymous | ChrisH, Towzzer, mactimes, thanks you for your help |
| 14:37.56 | M20 | What do you mean default? Also what do you mean by UTF-8 dump? And I'm using a different computer since I didn't yet configure the network drivers |
| 14:38.04 | mactimes | Pymous You're welcome. ;-) |
| 14:38.08 | Pymous | Okay, another one for you guys ! |
| 14:38.16 | Pymous | I have the PHP 5.2.6 on Lenny |
| 14:38.21 | Pymous | How can I get the 5.3 version ? :) |
| 14:38.46 | floogy | M20, will the ls -1 print that in clean hebrew? |
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| 14:39.11 | floogy | Then you can maybe select it and paste it |
| 14:39.13 | mactimes | Pymous http://www.debian.org/distrib/packages |
| 14:39.20 | M20 | Yes exactly |
| 14:39.34 | M20 | It's in hebrew letters anwyay |
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| 14:39.49 | M20 | I will do that |
| 14:39.50 | Pymous | mactimes > Sorry, but what am I suposed to do with that ? |
| 14:40.04 | Towzzer | pymous, you should format.A lamp box can be setup in like 10 minutes |
| 14:40.25 | M20 | Thanks. Is there no better solution however? It seems kind of weird doing that. Can't I cd like to the third folder? |
| 14:40.33 | Pymous | Towzzer > I can't do that right now, I have a lot of people using the site, and I don't have time right now |
| 14:40.39 | Pymous | Maybe later that week, but not before |
| 14:40.40 | Towzzer | ok |
| 14:40.43 | mactimes | Pymous Check the packages agains your Debian version. If it isn't there, you can't, unless you download the talball and install manually (which I wouldn't recommend for you right now), or you can upgrade to later debian versions. |
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| 14:41.06 | Pymous | mactimes > Can I update to later debian versions without formating ? |
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| 14:41.22 | wols | sure, you can always upgrade to the next debian version |
| 14:41.38 | wols | Pymous: what debian version do you run right now? |
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| 14:41.53 | Pymous | wols > Lenny |
| 14:42.06 | wols | then upgrade to squeeze |
| 14:42.08 | floogy | M20, you can try pushd $(ls -1|sed -n 3p) |
| 14:42.13 | wols | !tell Pymous about lenny->squeeze |
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| 14:42.27 | wols | Pymous: is this a VPS? |
| 14:42.31 | mactimes | Pymous Yes, you can. It's not always error-free, but it works. Since it is a production environment, I would recommend backup and clean setup. |
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| 14:43.30 | Pymous | mactimes > I'm backing up everything right now |
| 14:43.33 | babilen | M20: "cd $(ls -1|sed -n '3p'")" |
| 14:43.44 | jelly | !parsing ls |
| 14:43.44 | dpkg | Trying to manipulate the output of "ls" isn't a very good idea at all: the output varies when you change locales or even between different versions of coreutils (let alone between linux and other unices). The output of ls was never designed to be fed into other programs and if you have odd characters like spaces or newlines in your filenames then you will strike trouble. See http://mywiki.wooledge.org/ParsingLs |
| 14:43.48 | babilen | yay! |
| 14:43.50 | M20 | works great. Any chance you explain what you did there ? I'm trying to understand what I'm doing , heh |
| 14:43.54 | floogy | Or better, ln -s ~/$(ls -1|sed -n 3p) ~/Desktop |
| 14:44.00 | jelly | sigh |
| 14:44.13 | jelly | floogy: that means YOU -- http://mywiki.wooledge.org/ParsingLs |
| 14:44.36 | floogy | yes, ok, very wrong, please use find and globs |
| 14:44.50 | jelly | unless you're damn sure about the contents, yes |
| 14:44.54 | themill | would think that someone who has had lots of problems with LC_* and ls output would already know that ls output is scary |
| 14:45.14 | floogy | :) |
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| 14:45.29 | jelly | does parsing on contents of ls /dev/mapper/ as an exception |
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| 14:45.44 | floogy | or echo ~/* |
| 14:47.00 | babilen | Ok, so what's the solution then? I think "parsing" "ls -1" in order to get the Hebrew is not much of a problem, but then ... |
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| 14:47.58 | floogy | jelly, unfortunately for the commandline I'm sticking to ls, also if that's evil, as I experienced my self with broken locales ls behaves very wrong. |
| 14:48.08 | babilen | unless "Desktop" is two words, but meh ... It would be reasonable to configure something so that M20 is able to actually type hebrew. Or use mc, or a file-manager or ... |
| 14:48.12 | floogy | too lazy |
| 14:48.52 | floogy | yes, he should buy a new keyboard |
| 14:49.24 | babilen | floogy: I am sure you don't actually need new /hardware/ just to be able to type Hebrew. :) |
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| 14:49.42 | M20 | babilen: yeah, desktop is two words in hebrew. I just do add *. Aren't there macros or something for the terminal? :/ I'm really new to debian and linux at all so sorry if I'm failing. |
| 14:49.50 | floogy | At least that would be much more conveinient. |
| 14:50.06 | babilen | \o/ |
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| 14:52.23 | Mysterytrain | ok, another problem. I have a init script and hwen i ran update-rc.d I get this: update-rc.d: warning: speech-dispatcher stop runlevel arguments (0 1 6) do not match LSB Default-Stop values (1). is this going to prevent the script from running? |
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| 14:56.27 | _n3lthon | hi, in deian rescue mode i need to mount my root partition and chroot to disable a service, my terminal cant execute command |
| 14:56.42 | _n3lthon | what should i do? |
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| 14:57.06 | floogy | M20, http://opensiddur.org/2012/07/how-to-type-in-hebrew-without-buying-a-new-keyboard/ |
| 14:57.13 | floogy | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hebrew_keyboard |
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| 14:58.57 | M20 | floogy: That was not what I meant. I can type in hebrew. I can't type in hebrew in the terminal. For some reason. Alt+tab doesn't work in the terminal. It works outside... |
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| 14:59.57 | valdyn | M20: which terminal are you talking about? |
| 15:00.05 | M20 | Gnome |
| 15:00.09 | floogy | Alt+tab is a modifier for hebrew then? |
| 15:00.20 | valdyn | M20: what do you get when entering one hebrew character? |
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| 15:01.04 | floogy | What Do you get with pressing Alt+tab in the terminal? |
| 15:01.04 | M20 | Nevermind, I think I found out my problem. Thanks for the help |
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| 15:02.03 | petn-randall | M20: Do tell us how you solved it, though, in case someone else has the same problem ... |
| 15:02.20 | floogy | M20, you're welcome |
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| 15:03.56 | M20 | The problem was I hadn't configured Alt+tab yet. So I wasn't able to use hebrew at all. However I have a different problem right now but it's minor - the names of the directories are reversed :\ |
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| 15:04.48 | M20 | Whoops! Sorry , I didn't mean alt +tab! I meant alt+shift |
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| 15:05.06 | khaije|minder | hi all, is there a way to list updates by source? I'd like to review and operate on only the security updates. |
| 15:07.08 | ChrisH | khaije|minder: are you looking for apt-cache policy PACKAGE ? |
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| 15:08.28 | floogy | M20 isnt the hebrew reading order rtl ? |
| 15:08.50 | _n3lthon | i started ins install mode and how can i mount an partiton to chroot to it? |
| 15:08.52 | khaije|minder | ChrisH: I don't think so, that will tell me the "pinning" but I'd like to the ability to do something along the lines of "aptitude upgrade -t security" |
| 15:09.52 | babilen | khaije|minder: Which version of Debian do you run? |
| 15:10.11 | _n3lthon | 6 |
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| 15:10.26 | babilen | dpkg: tell _n3lthon -about fixmbr |
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| 15:10.27 | _n3lthon | i need to disable a service that stops system to boot |
| 15:10.34 | nkuttler | !tell khaije|minder about stable |
| 15:10.36 | babilen | _n3lthon: That factoid contains instructions on how to chroot from the installer |
| 15:10.37 | khaije|minder | babilen: stable |
| 15:10.55 | M20 | floogy: It is. I would expect it to display ltr and reversed however since it's a list. However there is an israeli debian community and I'l ask them, they must have solved that already. unless you can find a quick fix for that |
| 15:11.25 | khaije|minder | I feel like I could acheive this by temporarily manipulating my preferences file, but I'm wondering if there is a less hackish way to do it... |
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| 15:11.56 | floogy | M20 good luck, I never touched the read order. |
| 15:12.06 | babilen | khaije|minder: You get /only/ fixes for security and critical bugs anyway. I don't think that you can list updates by source-package, but it shouldn't be too hard to list source packages for packages for which there are updates. |
| 15:12.09 | M20 | floogy: Thanks :) |
| 15:12.27 | ChrisH | _n3lthon: Did you boot into single user mode or from a rescue media? What is the current status and can you pastebin what you type and what the systems responds? |
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| 15:12.37 | petn-randall | khaije|minder: install apt-listchanges, configure it to pause after showing the changelog. |
| 15:12.48 | TomyLobo | when building a package with debuild (let's say it's my own package), how do i pass options to configure? |
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| 15:13.03 | _n3lthon | ChrisH: single mode |
| 15:13.16 | petn-randall | khaije|minder: That way you will see the changelog (which lists the source package) and either confirm or abort the package upgrade. |
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| 15:13.30 | _n3lthon | ChrisH: i configurated pppoe and now it stops sytem to boot i just want to disable it |
| 15:13.51 | khaije|minder | petn-randall: cool, that should work nicely - thanks all |
| 15:14.07 | petn-randall | khaije|minder: you're welcome, any time again :) |
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| 15:14.50 | valdyn | _n3lthon: remove it from the "auto" line in /etc/network/interfaces (ppp0 i guess ) |
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| 15:17.02 | ChrisH | _n3lthon: I have answers to 2/3 of my questions |
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| 15:18.40 | _n3lthon | ChrisH: i trying to chroot now |
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| 15:19.31 | _n3lthon | but i get an ivalid argument error on command "mount -t ext4 /dev/sda2 /target" |
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| 15:21.56 | babilen | _n3lthon: Created /target first? |
| 15:22.06 | _n3lthon | babilen: yes |
| 15:22.35 | _n3lthon | babilen: its a ext4 partition |
| 15:22.48 | babilen | yes, that much I assumed |
| 15:22.56 | TomyLobo | when building a package with debuild (let's say it's my own package), how do i pass options to configure? |
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| 15:23.38 | babilen | _n3lthon: Does "grep ext /proc/filesystems" show ext4? |
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| 15:24.27 | ChrisH | _n3lthon: blkid /dev/sda? |
| 15:24.31 | _n3lthon | babilen: yes |
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| 15:25.06 | babilen | _n3lthon: Anything fancy like LVM that you forgot about? |
| 15:25.31 | _n3lthon | babilen: no |
| 15:25.36 | bluenemo | hi guys, i'm looking for a file in /proc or /sys that uniquely identifies a machine, maybe based on its mainboard serial number. what i want to do is check in ~/.xsession on which computer i am and then set xrandr (multiple screens) accordingly |
| 15:25.53 | babilen | _n3lthon: Could you show us the /exact/ command and the /exact/ output on http://paste.debian.net or in here (if up to two lines) please? |
| 15:26.23 | magellanic | hi all, just installed debian unstable on the laptop ;) |
| 15:26.40 | babilen | bluenemo: Why not use the hostname? Or simply use xrandr -auto ? Or configure the number of screens per-box in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/ ? |
| 15:26.54 | babilen | magellanic: Ok, so you want #debian-next on irc.oftc.net ! :) |
| 15:27.07 | magellanic | bluenemo: i think dmidecode might give you mobo details |
| 15:27.26 | magellanic | babilen: nah, gonna swing it blind and see how it goes :D |
| 15:27.39 | bluenemo | magellanic, just also found dmidecode, would prefer a file if sbd knows where this info resides |
| 15:27.58 | bluenemo | babilen, xrandr --auto needs to know what --output to use and stuff ;) |
| 15:28.06 | _n3lthon | babilen: there is any way to send it from command line to pastebin |
| 15:28.08 | _n3lthon | ? |
| 15:28.24 | babilen | _n3lthon: is it that much that it is impossible to type? |
| 15:28.25 | bluenemo | there are scripts and stuff _n3 |
| 15:28.44 | floogy | _n3lthon, man bastebinit |
| 15:28.45 | _n3lthon | babilen: exact is a command? |
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| 15:28.52 | babilen | bluenemo: sure |
| 15:29.12 | floogy | apt-cache show pastebinit, then install. |
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| 15:29.26 | babilen | _n3lthon: No, I want to see exactly what you've typed and exactly what the output of that command was. |
| 15:29.38 | babilen | !nopaste |
| 15:29.39 | dpkg | nopaste is a command-line tool to send data to a <pastebin>. To paste e.g. your sources.list do "aptitude install libapp-nopaste-perl; nopaste /etc/apt/sources.list"; to paste the output of a program do e.g. "dmesg | nopaste". |
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| 15:29.48 | floogy | man script |
| 15:29.50 | babilen | ^^^ much better than the hack that is pastebinit |
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| 15:31.01 | floogy | maybe _n3lthon can use them together |
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| 15:33.04 | babilen | floogy: You only need one. pastebinit is a horrible hack that causes me nightmares whenever I think about its code |
| 15:33.05 | floogy | http://linuxers.org/article/script-command-line-tool-recordsave-your-terminal-activity |
| 15:33.18 | floogy | I meant script |
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| 15:33.29 | _n3lthon | babilen: http://paste.debian.net/227104/ |
| 15:33.38 | babilen | floogy: Ah, yeah ... That just dawned on me :) yeah, the combination of script and nopaste is indeed good |
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| 15:34.51 | ChrisH | _n3lthon: Please pastebin blkid /dev/sda? ; fdisk -l |
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| 15:35.35 | ChrisH | BTW, http://paste.debian.net/227104/ does not look like a paste... there is a typo in 'Invalid Argumment' |
| 15:35.48 | Pymous | ChrisH, Towzzer, mactimes, remember when I said "AWESOME" ? |
| 15:35.55 | Pymous | It's not that awesome for now, look at that : |
| 15:35.59 | Pymous | Working : http://www.team-anthology.fr/zkup/test.php |
| 15:36.07 | Pymous | Not working : http://www.team-anthology.fr/forums/ |
| 15:36.21 | Pymous | Any idea why ? |
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| 15:38.02 | ChrisH | Pymous: You have been told (several times) Lenny is no longer supported and I would not dare to run a Lenny System connected to Internet. You need to check the apache/php/forum logs to get any hints. |
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| 15:38.41 | Pymous | ChrisH > Like i've said, i'm backing up everything at the moment we speak |
| 15:38.42 | _n3lthon | ChrisH: im in installation mode an i cant even run apt-get or aptitude to install no paste |
| 15:38.49 | Pymous | But I still need my installation to work untile then :) |
| 15:39.04 | _n3lthon | nopaste* |
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| 15:39.17 | ChrisH | Pymous: best suggestions is: check the logs |
| 15:40.33 | ChrisH | _n3lthon: Did you check blkid /dev/sda? as I suggested? |
| 15:41.00 | _n3lthon | ChrisH: that command does not return anything |
| 15:41.19 | babilen | _n3lthon: "blkid /dev/sda?" is the command, not "blkid /dev/sda" |
| 15:41.41 | Pymous | ChrisH > Look like an issue with xdebug (wich should be uninstall right now) |
| 15:41.44 | Pymous | xdebug.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
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| 15:41.50 | ChrisH | _n3lthon: thats is more then strange. does fdisk -l show differnt HArd disks? |
| 15:41.56 | Towzzer | pymous, blank screens on php applications reminds me of database problems |
| 15:42.07 | _n3lthon | babilen: ok it returns my partitions |
| 15:42.23 | _n3lthon | boot ext2, swap and ext4 from root |
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| 15:42.59 | apm1 | anyone running wheezy on an amd e350 apu ? |
| 15:43.04 | _n3lthon | ChrisH: no, i did the command with erros |
| 15:43.07 | _n3lthon | *errors |
| 15:43.13 | ChrisH | _n3lthon: Then try: mkdir /a && mount -t ext4 /dev/sda2 /a |
| 15:43.21 | wols | apm1: ask your real question |
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| 15:43.37 | apm1 | its a hardware specific question |
| 15:43.57 | apm1 | the ati drivers don't render the DE properly |
| 15:44.07 | apm1 | not even switching to tty works |
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| 15:44.23 | wols | you mean fglrx? |
| 15:44.34 | apm1 | no i mean ati xorg |
| 15:44.47 | apm1 | the freesoftware drivers |
| 15:44.58 | wols | there is no such thing anymore. there is radeon there is fglrx. hence my confusion |
| 15:45.10 | wols | then you can either switch to wheezy or use fglr |
| 15:45.10 | ChrisH | Pymous: you might want to check php5-xdebug instead of the dotdeb one |
| 15:45.11 | wols | x |
| 15:45.58 | Pymous | ChrisH > I just finished backing up everything |
| 15:46.01 | Pymous | I will do the upgrade |
| 15:46.15 | Pymous | and come back if I still have issue on squeeze |
| 15:46.33 | ChrisH | Pymous: follow the steps the bot told you and get rid of the dotdeb thing |
| 15:46.53 | Pymous | I already got rid of the dotdeb |
| 15:47.00 | Pymous | And I will follow everything to the letter :) |
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| 15:50.59 | Pymous | ChrisH > Is that correct for the new sources.list ? |
| 15:50.59 | Pymous | deb http://archive.debian.org/debian squeeze main contrib |
| 15:50.59 | Pymous | deb-src http://archive.debian.org/debian squeeze main contrib |
| 15:51.00 | _n3lthon | ChrisH, babilen: thanks for the help, blkid shown me sda3 as root one not sda2... my bad... thanks for your help |
| 15:51.23 | _n3lthon | the problem was that i was trying to mount swap |
| 15:51.44 | floogy | :P |
| 15:51.52 | floogy | swapon |
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| 15:52.24 | ChrisH | Pymous: http://archive.debian.org/debian is incorrect. |
| 15:52.40 | Pymous | Then what should I put in it ? |
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| 15:53.29 | ChrisH | Pymous: check http://www.debian.org/mirror/list for a mirror nearby |
| 15:53.35 | magellanic | archive.debian.org? does that have additional repos or is it just for legacy stuff? |
| 15:53.48 | magellanic | I used netselect-apt |
| 15:54.12 | ChrisH | magellanic: check http://archive.debian.org/debian/dists/ and find the answer youself |
| 15:54.21 | magellanic | thanks |
| 15:54.34 | floogy | abandoned legacy stuff |
| 15:54.45 | Pymous | ChrisH > deb http://ftp.fr.debian.org/debian stable main contrib non-free |
| 15:54.45 | Pymous | deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ squeeze-updates main contrib non-free |
| 15:54.45 | Pymous | deb http://security.debian.org/ squeeze/updates main contrib non-free |
| 15:54.46 | Pymous | This then ? |
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| 15:54.50 | Pymous | Sorry |
| 15:54.59 | Pymous | Thought it was the pastebin |
| 15:55.19 | Pymous | ChrisH > http://pastebin.com/eRd45YeD |
| 15:55.48 | magellanic | just use netselect-apt |
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| 15:56.13 | floogy | Maybe I'll try out 0.93R6 in virtual box :P |
| 15:56.25 | magellanic | hehe |
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| 15:57.28 | ChrisH | Pymous: I would replace stable with squeeze and comment the lines 2 and 3 ; and test using apt-get update |
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| 15:59.04 | _martin | hi, i thought i deleted a folder on the usb hdd with the command rm /USB_HDD_BACKUP/home/* -Rf but when i used the command df -h i saw that 65% space is in use (a couple of days a ago it was 80% or something space in use) |
| 15:59.21 | _martin | now I'm afraid i delted wrong files |
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| 15:59.38 | _martin | ls -lah / printed "USB_HDD_BACKUP -> /c/home/USB_HDD_BACKUP |
| 15:59.38 | _martin | " |
| 15:59.48 | floogy | I completely missed rex, never even heard about it. |
| 15:59.57 | _martin | have anyone a idea what happend? |
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| 16:01.13 | floogy | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:01.47 | floogy | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:02.45 | floogy | Since that folder might not existed at that place nothing was be deleted, I think. |
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| 16:03.27 | ChrisH | _martin: You might want to pastebin to paste.debian.net df -h ; ls -ld /* /USB_HDD_BACKUP/* /USB_HDD_BACKUP/home/* /c/home/USB_HDD_BACKUP |
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| 16:03.38 | scampbell | _martin: two things, rm -rf some/directory/* does not remove files that begin with a . (dot). Also, if a file is currently open it's directory entry is removed but it's space is not released until the program closes it. |
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| 16:06.10 | _martin | thanks scampbell ChrisH http://paste.debian.net/227109/ |
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| 16:07.52 | _martin | did i deleted /c/home/* -Rf with rm /USB_HDD_BACKUP/home/* -R ? |
| 16:08.35 | floogy | no |
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| 16:09.06 | floogy | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:09.54 | _martin | hmm |
| 16:09.57 | floogy | I mean the content |
| 16:10.42 | _martin | y. I understand. I dont understand why the USB_HDD_BACKUP is mounted in /c/home/ |
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| 16:11.14 | _martin | so maybe i delted a backup which i slocated on /c/home/ but I never did something like that |
| 16:11.16 | floogy | That's a symbolic link. |
| 16:11.17 | ChrisH | _martin: why did you not copy-paste my command? I took extra time to make it in a way I could easy see what I wanted to see. |
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| 16:11.59 | ChrisH | What kind of device file is this? /dev/c/c 925G 594G 331G 65% /c |
| 16:11.59 | _martin | http://paste.debian.net/227110/ ChrisH |
| 16:12.36 | _martin | this is the partion for files |
| 16:12.38 | floogy | ChrisH, sudo file -s /dev/c/c |
| 16:12.54 | _martin | /dev/c/c: symbolic link to `/dev/mapper/c-c' |
| 16:13.24 | jelly | lvm |
| 16:13.47 | floogy | ;) I see, that was from the paste |
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| 16:14.56 | ChrisH | Where do you see LVM in place? in http://paste.debian.net/227110/ |
| 16:15.42 | jelly | ChrisH: here: <_martin> /dev/c/c: symbolic link to `/dev/mapper/c-c' |
| 16:16.16 | ChrisH | A VG named c containing a LVOL named c ? |
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| 16:16.28 | floogy | du -sh /c/home/USB_HDD_BACKUP/* ; ls -lah /c/home/USB_HDD_BACKUP |
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| 16:16.49 | jelly | ChrisH: /dev/vg-name/lv-name is the canonical path for linux lvm, yes |
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| 16:16.54 | _martin | floogy this will take some minutes |
| 16:17.34 | _martin | so its not guaranteed that i delted folders/ files from /c/home? |
| 16:17.37 | ChrisH | jelly: Well... abusing LVM to create weird names, matches the strange softlink setup... |
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| 16:17.46 | jelly | ChrisH: it's not strange |
| 16:18.07 | jelly | that's how the version of LVM in debian works |
| 16:18.25 | floogy | I think the earlier versions of gnu rm are deleted with -rf the .. directory trees backward ;) I'm not sure though. |
| 16:18.37 | jelly | /dev/vgname/lvname is a symlink to the generic /dev/mapper/vgname-lvname |
| 16:18.42 | ChrisH | jelly: I call it strange. If I use LVM, then I create LVols and mount them where I need them and not into /c and create a bunch of missleading softlinks. |
| 16:18.46 | _martin | what? backward? |
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| 16:19.06 | floogy | I'm just kidding |
| 16:19.19 | thyphus | jelly: not just debian ;) |
| 16:19.36 | _martin | puh |
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| 16:19.56 | ChrisH | floogy: But you are near the truth. Older non-GNU rm do similar when doing rm -rf .* as .. matches .* ! |
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| 16:20.52 | floogy | That were the good old times |
| 16:20.53 | scampbell | best to just rm -rf /some/directory/ and mkdir /some/directory if you want it emptied out. |
| 16:21.27 | floogy | Why the mkdir? |
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| 16:21.45 | scampbell | because the directory will be gone rather than empty |
| 16:21.49 | floogy | Ah, I see. |
| 16:22.01 | else- | how can i import a *.ca file? |
| 16:22.14 | floogy | To retain the directory itself |
| 16:22.42 | scampbell | and, of course, permissions and ownership need to be assigned properly after the mkdir really. |
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| 16:24.46 | sirToast | or use mc |
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| 16:26.12 | ChrisH | _martin: is the du still running? |
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| 16:26.39 | TomyLobo | when building a package with debuild, i want to pass some flags to the c++ compiler (-msse4.2). how would i do that? |
| 16:26.48 | Pymous | I just finished to update to Squeeze, but I still have issue with my PHP installtion, here the error.log : http://pastebin.com/6HvF7ERx |
| 16:26.54 | scampbell | mc can't be automated though (not easily anyway), it's nice for the novice but learning the ins and outs of unix filesystems is good thing. |
| 16:26.59 | Pymous | And the website who doesn't work : http://www.team-anthology.fr/forums |
| 16:27.04 | jordanm | TomyLobo, edit debian/rules |
| 16:27.37 | TomyLobo | what exactly? the package uses dh |
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| 16:28.28 | _martin | mom |
| 16:28.33 | Towzzer | yes son? |
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| 16:29.07 | _martin | ty ChrisH http://paste.debian.net/227113/ |
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| 16:29.38 | ChrisH | Pymous: check http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=627145 |
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| 16:29.41 | W4RH4WK | hello, is there package for (sun) java EE jdk? can only find SE |
| 16:29.50 | Towzzer | pymous, what do the apache logs say |
| 16:30.03 | Towzzer | cd /var/log/apache2;ls -lhtr |
| 16:30.05 | Pymous | Towzzer > It's the apache error log, need another one ? |
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| 16:30.14 | TomyLobo | jordanm, what exactly? the package uses dh |
| 16:30.17 | Towzzer | tail -n 20 , the last log |
| 16:30.36 | Pymous | error.log ? |
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| 16:30.58 | Towzzer | whatever the last item after type that ls is |
| 16:31.14 | jordanm | TomyLobo, if there is nothing you can pass to the software's build system to cause it to use that flag, but typically you was override dh_configure or something |
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| 16:31.29 | floogy | _martin, if that command you typed was really rm /USB_HDD_BACKUP/home/* -Rf then it didn't deleted anything in /c/home/USB_HDD_BACKUP |
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| 16:32.11 | _martin | ok, but I really can believ it because the last few days the disc space was about 80% in use |
| 16:32.16 | _martin | and now i got 65% |
| 16:32.21 | _martin | after the rm command |
| 16:32.24 | TomyLobo | jordanm, i'll try that, thanks |
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| 16:32.41 | Pymous | Towzzer > It's already that in the pastebin then :) |
| 16:32.48 | floogy | _martin, try history|grep /USB_HDD_BACKUP |
| 16:32.53 | Pymous | ChrisH > I'm a bit lost, what should I do then ? |
| 16:32.58 | floogy | _martin, try history|grep \/USB_HDD_BACKUP |
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| 16:33.06 | Aut0Exec | hi guys... i need to know how to use gnome3 with stable version of debian |
| 16:33.10 | Aut0Exec | please help with this |
| 16:33.34 | zykotick9 | Aut0Exec: wait until wheezy becomes stable ;) |
| 16:33.42 | _martin | http://paste.debian.net/227114/ hm |
| 16:33.44 | Towzzer | I'm sorry, I'm at work so I miss alot |
| 16:34.07 | Aut0Exec | zykotick9: negative |
| 16:34.23 | Aut0Exec | zykotick9: i need to use gonme3 now and i want to use debian stable |
| 16:34.25 | Aut0Exec | there has to be a way |
| 16:34.26 | zykotick9 | Aut0Exec: using gnome3 on squeeze, is madness... |
| 16:34.32 | Aut0Exec | why? |
| 16:34.58 | Arrowmaster | because squeeze doesnt have the dependencies for it |
| 16:35.01 | wols | cause you will get a very unstable debian |
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| 16:35.12 | ChrisH | Pymous: enable the update lines again and run apt-get update && apt-get -s upgrade # does it offer php5 stuff? |
| 16:35.17 | Aut0Exec | ok |
| 16:35.20 | Aut0Exec | sux |
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| 16:35.26 | Aut0Exec | archlinux it is then :) |
| 16:35.34 | Arrowmaster | or you could use wheezy |
| 16:35.38 | Pymous | ChrisH > Nop, everything is updated |
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| 16:35.46 | ChrisH | Pymous: and check dpkg -l | grep -v ^ii |
| 16:36.06 | ChrisH | ,v php5-common |
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| 16:36.07 | judd | Package: php5-common on i386 -- lenny: 5.2.6.dfsg.1-1+lenny16; lenny-security: 5.2.6.dfsg.1-1+lenny16; squeeze-proposed-updates: 5.3.3-7+squeeze13; squeeze-security: 5.3.3-7+squeeze13; squeeze: 5.3.3-7+squeeze14; squeeze-security: 5.3.3-7+squeeze14; sid: 5.4.4-11; wheezy: 5.4.4-11; experimental: 5.4.9-4 |
| 16:36.08 | Aut0Exec | Arrowmaster: i gather that wheezy is very unstable |
| 16:36.13 | Aut0Exec | Arrowmaster: i like stability |
| 16:36.27 | babilen | dpkg: tell Aut0Exec -about stable |
| 16:36.29 | ChrisH | Pymous: does your version matches what judd showed for squeeze? |
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| 16:36.57 | Pymous | ChrisH > http://pastebin.com/8yqGUU0s |
| 16:37.14 | babilen | Aut0Exec: "stable" in the context of Debian means "not-changing" and has very little to do with "unbroken" or "usable" -- Wheezy is quite usable right now and will be released as stable soonish (couple of months) and I would definitely give it a try. |
| 16:37.35 | floogy | _martin, Its starnge, that / cointains still /USB_HDD_BACKUP/home/USB_HDD_BACKUP then. You didnt issued 609 rm /USB_HDD_BACKUP/home/* -Rf as root, right? That folder has got USB_HDD_:nogroup ownership |
| 16:37.50 | Aut0Exec | babilen: when it is considered "stable"... is there a quick upgrade that I can do to make it stable? |
| 16:37.56 | _martin | I'm looged in as root |
| 16:38.09 | babilen | Aut0Exec: Read http://www.debian.org/releases/wheezy/amd64/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html for upgrading instructions. ArchLinux is AFAIK much less stable than Debian and you are probably better of by using wheezy if you want "stable" in both senses right now. |
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| 16:38.30 | Aut0Exec | babilen: ok thank you brother |
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| 16:38.45 | TomyLobo | jordanm, it worked many thanks :) |
| 16:38.47 | ChrisH | Pymous: there is still php stuff in removed/configured state in. Would it be possible to purge all php5 and start from scratch? I do not know much configuration is needed. |
| 16:38.53 | babilen | Aut0Exec: Af you upgrade frequently (apt-get update;apt-get dist-upgrade) you will eventually end up running stable wheezy after it has been released. You don't have to do anything special. |
| 16:39.17 | Pymous | ChrisH > Yes, I have backup of everything if needed |
| 16:39.18 | Aut0Exec | babilen: oh sweet |
| 16:39.37 | Aut0Exec | babilen: this is awesome news bro.. thanks... i will most defenitly do this |
| 16:39.37 | Pymous | Wait ! |
| 16:39.37 | babilen | Aut0Exec: I assume that you use "wheezy" in your sources.list and not "testing" here and that you configure your sources.list as appropriate for wheezy (/msg dpkg make wheezy sources.list) |
| 16:39.40 | Pymous | I thinkg i've done it ! |
| 16:39.58 | Aut0Exec | babilen: ok |
| 16:40.00 | Pymous | I tried the command : apt-get install apache2 php5 mysql-server libapache2-mod-php5 php5-mysql |
| 16:40.08 | Aut0Exec | babilen: that is correct |
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| 16:40.10 | Pymous | And apt-get proposed to update by itself |
| 16:40.17 | Pymous | And it's workig ! :) |
| 16:40.19 | babilen | Aut0Exec: But just come back if you have further questions :) |
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| 16:40.20 | floogy | _martin, you might want to look for deleted files then, to be sure that nothings impoortant was deleted, sorry. I'm clueless. |
| 16:40.37 | Aut0Exec | babilen: dude... the service here is great.... thanks alot man |
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| 16:41.23 | babilen | Aut0Exec: I should note that some bugs that prevent the release of wheezy are specific to the upgrade path from squeeze to wheezy -- if your installation is not too old you could also consider a reinstall by using, say, the daily installer from http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/ |
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| 16:41.54 | babilen | Aut0Exec: But most problems can be dealt with. I would give the upgrade a try as it will, most likely, work. (see "/msg dpkg immediate configuration" for information on the problem I am thinking about) |
| 16:42.14 | Aut0Exec | babilen: but i'm going to install from stratch... |
| 16:42.24 | Aut0Exec | babilen: was going to go straight wheezy install |
| 16:42.28 | Aut0Exec | then just keep upgrading like you said |
| 16:42.29 | babilen | Aut0Exec: You plan to instll from scratch? |
| 16:42.32 | Aut0Exec | yes |
| 16:42.33 | _martin | is there a history about the disc usage space? floogy ? |
| 16:42.59 | floogy | I don't think so |
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| 16:43.04 | babilen | Aut0Exec: Ah, ok. In that case just download the installer I linked earlier (daily→...) for which you do, however, need a working internet connection |
| 16:43.20 | Aut0Exec | babilen: of course :) |
| 16:43.42 | babilen | Aut0Exec: In that case you will also have no problem with the "immediate configuration" upgrade bugs so you can ignore that information |
| 16:44.00 | floogy | _martin, if you installed logcheck, munin, logwatch or so, then yes |
| 16:44.19 | babilen | Aut0Exec: The images I linked to /do/ contain firmware but you might still be asked to provide it. (if necessary) -- Just continue and it will be fine. |
| 16:44.28 | _martin | i got only logger and logrotate |
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| 16:45.36 | Aut0Exec | babilen: so many links there lol |
| 16:45.44 | babilen | Aut0Exec: On the mirror? |
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| 16:45.55 | Aut0Exec | http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/ |
| 16:45.59 | Aut0Exec | ^^^ ??? |
| 16:46.12 | Aut0Exec | "daily-builds" ? |
| 16:46.15 | Aut0Exec | or... |
| 16:46.17 | babilen | Aut0Exec: I would use http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/daily-builds/wheezy_d-i/current/ these days |
| 16:46.19 | Aut0Exec | "wheezy_di.." |
| 16:46.26 | Aut0Exec | k |
| 16:46.49 | Aut0Exec | whats d-i represent? |
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| 16:47.00 | _martin | it seems that the readynas is saving the disk space used somewhere http://www.readynas.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=71&t=57213 but i dont know |
| 16:47.01 | confusid | does anyone know what happened to the 64bit deb version of skype? |
| 16:47.06 | babilen | Aut0Exec: "d-i" is short for "debian-installer" -- which is the software that installs Debian |
| 16:47.14 | Aut0Exec | ahh ok |
| 16:47.32 | Aut0Exec | gat it |
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| 16:47.46 | Aut0Exec | i just want this for gnome3 relaly |
| 16:47.51 | Aut0Exec | i heard its pretty awesome |
| 16:47.56 | Aut0Exec | :) |
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| 16:50.01 | babilen | Aut0Exec: Hope you like it, there are plenty of alternatives if you don't. I would probably recommend using wheezy to most people these days (for personal use/unimportant systems) anyway so you are doing the right thing. |
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| 16:50.33 | Aut0Exec | ok and like you said... when its "stable" just update and upgrade then done |
| 16:50.35 | Aut0Exec | :) |
| 16:50.40 | Aut0Exec | so i'm kewl with that for now |
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| 16:50.52 | babilen | yeah |
| 16:51.17 | babilen | I meant alternatives to Gnome 3 btw, not alternatives to Debian. There are no alternatives to Debian ;) |
| 16:51.32 | Pymous | Before leaving, I'd like to say thanks to all the people who helped me today |
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| 16:51.50 | Aut0Exec | babilen: lol oh ok |
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| 16:52.36 | Towzzer | debian-mint |
| 16:52.37 | Towzzer | with mate |
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| 17:01.57 | pfred1 | I never understood Debian Mint I thought Mint used Ubunto repositories? |
| 17:02.37 | Towzzer | there is a Debian version of Mint that uses the testing repos |
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| 17:02.40 | Towzzer | with Mate |
| 17:03.01 | babilen | pfred1: They have something based on Debian (LMDE), but I wouldn't know anything about it. It is also not relevant for us (see #linuxmint-help on irc.spotchat.org) |
| 17:03.18 | Towzzer | it's the tri-force of perfection, up to date packages, a good gui, and nicer support users on irc |
| 17:03.53 | confusid | cool.. found the 64bit version of skype but it is the 4.0 version not the new 4.1. But I don't have to install i386 packages! |
| 17:04.15 | babilen | Towzzer: Would it be possible to concentrate on support rather than advertising random based-on-debian distributions? |
| 17:04.25 | Towzzer | that one time I did it? sure |
| 17:04.27 | babilen | confusid: Which version of Debian do you use? |
| 17:04.28 | pfred1 | I'll move to 64 bit in 2036 |
| 17:04.56 | Arrowmaster | 2038 |
| 17:04.59 | regular | I've got this error while loading the Zydax firmware during bootup: |
| 17:05.02 | regular | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:05.02 | confusid | squeeze |
| 17:05.11 | pfred1 | Arrowmaster I want to avoid the rush :> |
| 17:05.24 | regular | and then I got portmap and modprobe taints |
| 17:05.32 | regular | and the system froze until hard reset |
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| 17:05.58 | jhutchins | regular: What sort of a system is it? Architecture? Release? Special kernel? |
| 17:06.10 | regular | Debian Squeeze, stock kernel |
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| 17:06.12 | jelly | regular: the first error was a critical bug, the latter ones were just a consequence |
| 17:06.22 | regular | I reckon |
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| 17:06.34 | jelly | regular: what kind of hardware is that? |
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| 17:06.46 | regular | Leonovo Thinkpad G560 |
| 17:06.57 | regular | wait... |
| 17:07.15 | regular | 4 Intel CPUs |
| 17:07.24 | jelly | I mean, the zydax thing |
| 17:07.54 | regular | It's a wireless adapter, ZyXEL |
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| 17:08.08 | jelly | zd1211-firmware? |
| 17:08.11 | regular | yes |
| 17:08.31 | jelly | looks quite old, one would expect the driver to behave by now |
| 17:09.28 | regular | I also have a broadcom wireless card, but it's malfunctioning. With broadcom it's a hardware issue, I've checked under Linux and Windows on the same machine |
| 17:09.45 | jhutchins | regular: Are these usb devices? |
| 17:09.53 | jelly | ,v zd1211-firmware |
| 17:09.54 | judd | Package: zd1211-firmware on i386 -- lenny/non-free: 2.21.0.0-0.1; sid/non-free: 2.21.0.0-1; squeeze/non-free: 2.21.0.0-1; wheezy/non-free: 2.21.0.0-1 |
| 17:09.55 | regular | Broadcom no, Zyxel yes |
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| 17:10.19 | regular | jelly: it's squeeze |
| 17:10.26 | regular | I meant judd |
| 17:10.34 | jelly | judd's just a bot |
| 17:10.41 | regular | oh |
| 17:10.50 | jhutchins | regular: Consistant? Repeatable? |
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| 17:11.01 | regular | jhutchins: ? |
| 17:11.27 | jhutchins | regular: Does it happen every time, or can you occasionally make it happen, or does it just happen randomly, or only once? |
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| 17:11.33 | regular | it happens randomly |
| 17:11.47 | jhutchins | regular: Always when loading the driver? |
| 17:11.53 | regular | yes |
| 17:12.19 | regular | or plugging the device, but according to the Debian wiki the driver is loaded every time the adapter is plugged |
| 17:12.23 | invariant | Is there a recommended place to store certificates and key files on a Debian Squeeze system? |
| 17:12.24 | jhutchins | regular: So some of the time it just works? |
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| 17:12.29 | regular | yes |
| 17:12.34 | regular | I'm using it now |
| 17:12.50 | regular | Unplugged, ran the recovery mode, rebooted, logged to XFCE and plugged again |
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| 17:13.39 | regular | when it crashes the system freezed completely |
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| 17:13.50 | regular | doesn't react to input at all |
| 17:14.00 | jhutchins | regular: I don't know of anyting specific that would affect it directly, but some things you could try: new kernel from backports; re-seat all RAM (and other modules); run memtest. |
| 17:14.28 | jhutchins | regular: I suspect it's something like a "race condition" with something else that's trying to load at the same time. Do you usually load it at boot, or on demaind? |
| 17:15.18 | regular | it started to crash when I plugged the adapter when logged, so I decided to keep it plugged. Now I tried to lad it at boot, and it crashed |
| 17:15.24 | _martin | when I execute rm /USB_HDD_BACKUP/home/USB_HDD_BACKUP/ -rf |
| 17:15.24 | _martin | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:15.33 | regular | But I remember running it succesfully at boot at least once |
| 17:16.12 | Nirtal | Hi! I put for some reason "ALL:ALL:ALL" in my hosts.allow today, and now I can't use ssh to connect to it. Other then that both hosts.allow and hosts.deny is empty. Is it possible that this has made something go wrong and I'm getting blocket by hosts.allow? |
| 17:16.12 | regular | might be a conflict with the broadcom, but when I first ran Zyxel I unloaded the broadcom driver via modprobe |
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| 17:17.41 | regular | anyway, thanks for the help. I'll run memtest the next time I boot my computer. |
| 17:18.00 | regular | I usually suspend it instead of turning it off - maybe that's the reason? |
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| 17:19.24 | valdyn | _martin: youre not removing the symlink but the directory contents |
| 17:19.34 | _martin | oh no!!! |
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| 17:20.07 | _martin | rwxrwxrwx 1 root root 22 Oct 13 22:22 /USB_HDD_BACKUP -> /c/home/USB_HDD_BACKUP |
| 17:20.07 | _martin | <- but this is a folder? right? |
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| 17:20.13 | valdyn | mactimes: /path/to/dir/ cannot be a symlink, /path/to/dir can be |
| 17:20.21 | valdyn | _martin: ^^ |
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| 17:20.32 | confusid | to link /opt to /usr/local would I use ln -s /usr/local /opt? |
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| 17:20.56 | jelly | confusid: if /opt doesn't exist already, yes |
| 17:21.03 | confusid | ty |
| 17:21.05 | valdyn | now why would anyone create that symlink |
| 17:21.14 | jelly | shenanigans |
| 17:21.14 | valdyn | (its wrong wrong wrong) |
| 17:21.18 | jelly | not really |
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| 17:21.50 | confusid | jelly trying to install google-chrome. Do not have /opt but it makes it when it installs. Then I move it and it stops working since it looks for /opt/google/somefile. |
| 17:22.03 | jelly | confusid: just create /opt directory instead. |
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| 17:22.21 | jelly | and do not move the files. |
| 17:22.46 | confusid | jelly don't have space to keep the /opt on root and all the other hd space is used up. |
| 17:22.46 | jelly | there's no reason to, if you leave it as it is things should work |
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| 17:23.00 | confusid | I have plenty of space in /usr/local though. |
| 17:23.39 | jelly | confusid: create a /usr/local/opt then |
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| 17:24.03 | confusid | jelly do I still need a soft link? |
| 17:24.45 | jelly | yeah |
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| 17:25.05 | sirToast | confusid: maybe this in fstab instead of a symlink: /usr/local/opt /opt none bind 0 0 |
| 17:25.11 | jelly | move it back... when you get the time |
| 17:25.15 | sirToast | I find aptitude keeps deleting the /opt symlink |
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| 17:25.28 | jelly | it shouldn't |
| 17:25.45 | sirToast | but it does :/ so I created that fstab line instead |
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| 17:26.13 | jelly | I thought /opt would be part of base-files but it apparently is not |
| 17:26.18 | confusid | ak.. the link was backwards.. :/ it shows /usr/local in /opt... if I just rmdir /opt. will that remove the soft link? |
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| 17:26.35 | jelly | confusid: I'm confused. |
| 17:26.54 | jelly | confusid: ls -ld /usr/local /usr/local/opt /opt please |
| 17:27.20 | valdyn | confusid: dont use rmdir when you dont really want to delete the contents |
| 17:27.43 | confusid | confusid@porta:/$ ls -ld /usr/local /usr/local/opt /opt ls: cannot access /usr/local/opt: No such file or directory drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 Jan 21 12:24 /opt drwxrwsr-x 12 root staff 4096 Jan 21 12:20 /usr/local |
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| 17:28.17 | Leoneof | hello, i'm trying to use programs like konversation, xchat, and pidgin but are never working except if i add dns 8.8.8.8 in my connection, but in Windows everything is ok without these dns, any idea? |
| 17:28.19 | confusid | I think my ln command had the directories reversed of what I wanted. |
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| 17:29.00 | valdyn | Leoneof: show us youre /etc/network/interfaces file |
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| 17:30.17 | Leoneof | valdyn: there are comments, and two lines: auto lo iface lo inet loopback |
| 17:30.36 | valdyn | Leoneof: you must be using something like network-manager then |
| 17:30.43 | Leoneof | valdyn: yes! |
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| 17:31.09 | valdyn | Leoneof: how are you setting that connection up? can you see dhcp in there? |
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| 17:31.44 | Leoneof | valdyn: it is auto dhcp, and i can see info, exactly like in Windows |
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| 17:32.08 | valdyn | Leoneof: once connected is the nameserver in /etc/resolv.conf ? |
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| 17:33.22 | Leoneof | valdyn: i see two dns which i've added them in nm before, 8.8.8.8 , 8.8.8.4 |
| 17:33.35 | jelly | confusid: huh. Is there any package other than chrome claiming dpkg -S /opt ? |
| 17:33.39 | Leoneof | valdyn: should i disconnect and remove these dns? |
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| 17:34.47 | Leoneof | valdyn: brb |
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| 17:35.10 | confusid | jelly no, but fixed it. Thank you very much!!!!! |
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| 17:36.08 | Leoneof | back |
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| 17:36.23 | nesses | hi there I'm tryin to get mrxvt speaks unicode. Using this Tutorial(http://ramenlabs.com/2010/02/25/taming-the-unicode-terminal/) Screen is running but no unicode. My Config files: http://pastebin.com/XegvcEFv what am I'm doing wrong |
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| 17:36.29 | Leoneof | valdyn: nameserver 192.168.0.1 |
| 17:36.43 | jelly | nesses: mrxvt does not support unicode yet. |
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| 17:37.09 | nesses | I know ... but there is a workaround with gnu screen |
| 17:37.12 | Leoneof | valdyn: i'm using 8.8.8.8 now, because i can't access irc without it. |
| 17:37.13 | nesses | as it seems |
| 17:37.18 | nesses | look at the link |
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| 17:37.35 | Leoneof | :/ |
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| 17:37.49 | jelly | nesses: if you don't use tabs extensively, consider switching to rxvt-unicode |
| 17:38.01 | jelly | less buggy in that regard |
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| 17:38.06 | Nirtal | Is there anyway to get past the hosts.deny with ssh? |
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| 17:38.19 | Leoneof | valdyn has gone, i've been chatting on the wall? |
| 17:38.28 | nesses | that's the problem ... I love tabs |
| 17:38.34 | nkuttler | Nirtal: um... use a host that's not denied? |
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| 17:38.44 | jelly | yeah, that's the killer feature of mrxvt |
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| 17:38.54 | Leoneof | valdyn: wb! |
| 17:39.06 | Nirtal | nkuttler i think something went wrong and everything is blocked with the hosts.deny file or something |
| 17:39.10 | nesses | of course, it is!! |
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| 17:39.23 | valdyn | Leoneof: once connected is the nameserver in /etc/resolv.conf ? |
| 17:39.25 | frxstrem | Does anyone know how to access partitions through devices like /dev/loop1p1 in wheezy? (I used to have this on my old Ubuntu installation, but it apparently doesn't work after switching to Debian) |
| 17:39.35 | Nirtal | when I try to use ssh to the server i get "ssh_exchange_identification: Connection closed by remote host" and the same from other networks |
| 17:39.36 | nkuttler | Nirtal: get physical access or use whatever management tools you have |
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| 17:40.20 | valdyn | frxstrem: use partx |
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| 17:40.49 | Leoneof | valdyn: ok |
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| 17:41.14 | Leoneof | you missed my answer before ;/ |
| 17:41.22 | frxstrem | valdyn: Oh, thanks, that actually worked :D |
| 17:41.34 | valdyn | Leoneof: yea |
| 17:41.58 | valdyn | Leoneof: i did get a /msg. |
| 17:42.15 | Leoneof | ok |
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| 17:42.40 | valdyn | Leoneof: i take it your nameserver entry in /etc/resolv.conf is correct and you're seeing problems nonetheless |
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| 17:43.18 | Leoneof | valdyn: ;( |
| 17:43.34 | valdyn | Leoneof: what do you get for running "host www.google.com" ? |
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| 17:43.50 | valdyn | Leoneof: (when there is *no* 8.8.8.8 entry) |
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| 17:44.12 | Leoneof | valdyn: that's mean i have to disconnect the connection, |
| 17:44.16 | Leoneof | see you soon |
| 17:44.26 | valdyn | Leoneof: no, wait |
| 17:44.31 | Leoneof | ok ^_^ |
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| 17:45.01 | valdyn | Leoneof: you can run "host www.google.com 192.168.0.1" |
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| 17:53.16 | Leoneof | valdyn: i get google addresses with this line at the end: ;; connection timed out; no servers could be reached |
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| 17:53.51 | _martin | it seems that I copied an old backup into /c/home/backup I removed it with rm ... thats why I got now so much space left... this would be a good reason, I hope my guess is right |
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| 17:54.06 | valdyn | Leoneof: can you compare 192.168.0.1 with the actual nameserver on your windows box? |
| 17:54.20 | TheWarden | Hi, I'm trying to do a clean install of Debian with lxde, what would be the package name for the update manager (gui)? |
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| 17:54.40 | valdyn | Leoneof: id rather you paste all output you get literally on a paste site |
| 17:55.04 | Leoneof | valdyn: ok |
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| 17:56.18 | TheWarden | I was thinking update-manager-core |
| 17:57.10 | Leoneof | valdyn: http://pastebin.com/v2cCRYHv |
| 17:58.11 | valdyn | Leoneof: your nameserver is working |
| 17:58.24 | Leoneof | :d |
| 17:58.25 | valdyn | Leoneof: so what was the actual problem again? |
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| 17:59.21 | Leoneof | it can't connect irc in xchat & konversation, yahoo messenger in pidgin |
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| 17:59.30 | TheWarden | that must be it... |
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| 17:59.42 | Leoneof | but using 8.8.8.8 solves the problem |
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| 17:59.46 | TheWarden | also what is the best way to have a system do auto updates when found? |
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| 18:01.10 | TheWarden | cron-apt? |
| 18:01.20 | Leoneof | anyone else can give me some suggestion about my problem? |
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| 18:01.39 | Arrowmaster | unattended-upgrades package |
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| 18:02.47 | Leoneof | valdyn: i can't connect irc in xchat & konversation, yahoo messenger in pidgin |
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| 18:03.03 | valdyn | Leoneof: very annoying lag, sorry |
| 18:03.12 | Leoneof | np |
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| 18:03.35 | valdyn | Leoneof: you can manually remove the 8.8.8.8 line in /etc/resolv.conf to experiment, irc should stay connected |
| 18:03.51 | valdyn | Leoneof: ( and put the 192.168.0.1 there ) |
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| 18:04.39 | apollo13 | any idea where I can find a debian python maintainer on freenode? |
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| 18:05.36 | Leoneof | valdyn: ok, should i've to reconnect? |
| 18:05.49 | valdyn | Leoneof: no, the change is sufficient |
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| 18:06.10 | Leoneof | ok |
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| 18:06.22 | valdyn | Leoneof: i suspect you can now for ping the servers just fine "ping irc.oftc.net" for instance |
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| 18:09.17 | Leoneof | ok, no connect time out |
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| 18:09.52 | Leoneof | valdyn: thanks :) |
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| 18:10.12 | valdyn | Leoneof: nothing wrong now? We fixed nothing... |
| 18:10.21 | themill | apollo13: you'd do better just asking your question here and, if necessary, we can direct you to the right place |
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| 18:11.12 | Leoneof | let me check in Windows |
| 18:11.18 | apollo13 | okay, I am trying to debug a python script with gdb and I always get "frame information optimized out", now I am trying to determine if that's a result of https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=556975 or if that's the way ment to be |
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| 18:11.53 | apollo13 | it works if I use python-dbg to run the script but that's obviously nothing I can do since most extensions aren't compiled against that and I don't run python-dbg in production |
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| 18:12.30 | themill | apollo13: there should (hopefully) be debug versions of the extensions too |
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| 18:14.36 | apollo13 | themill: yeah, but those are ment to be run with python-dbg which is somewhat useless |
| 18:14.57 | apollo13 | python-dbg literally, not the package but the program |
| 18:15.05 | themill | python-dbg is meant for debugging, which is what you're trying to do. I'm missing the problem here |
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| 18:15.37 | apollo13 | themill: but python-dbg is more than just python with debug symbols :/ |
| 18:16.02 | apollo13 | and I need to debug my stuff in the running python processes, and noone runs python-dbg in porduction ;) |
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| 18:17.12 | themill | why you would be stepping through extensions with gdb in production? |
| 18:18.30 | apollo13 | well you can leave extensions out if you want, just trying to debug an application running under apache's mod-wsgi which requires python and not python-dbg |
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| 18:19.53 | Leoneof | valdyn: unfortunately.. same problem :/ |
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| 18:20.28 | Leoneof | i'm sure it's something about dns only |
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| 18:21.05 | valdyn | Leoneof: i think your router/dns server is broken somehow |
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| 18:21.40 | Leoneof | valdyn: but Windows is fine with this router |
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| 18:22.53 | boudiccas | i use 'slock' from slockless-utilities as my screen locker for when i go out, i just enter 'slock' into a terminal and the screen blanks. very occasionally i'm not able to log back on by entering my password, and have to poweroff and restart. How can I get it so that i dont have to crash out please? |
| 18:23.20 | nkuttler | apollo13: http://wiki.debian.org/Python has information about maintainers for different python areas, if you're sure it's a debian issue |
| 18:23.40 | Leoneof | or it's a problem with nm |
| 18:23.48 | valdyn | Leoneof: no |
| 18:23.48 | themill | apollo13: extensions clearly are the problem, because otherwise you'd just use pdb. In any case, there should be no reason you can't use python-dbg with mod_wsgi |
| 18:23.59 | apollo13 | themill: I can't just pdb into a running process |
| 18:24.11 | valdyn | Leoneof: once theres an entry in /etc/resolv.conf ( which you verified manually ) then nm is completely out of the picture |
| 18:24.20 | apollo13 | nkuttler: ha, I see an IRC channel there, will try that, thx :) |
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| 18:24.33 | Leoneof | valdyn: i see |
| 18:24.42 | nkuttler | apollo13: probably on oftc |
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| 18:24.53 | valdyn | Leoneof: and we did run the host command skipping resolv.conf since you specified the dns server |
| 18:24.53 | apollo13 | nkuttler: oftc? |
| 18:25.00 | nkuttler | !tell apollo13 about oftc |
| 18:25.03 | themill | you won't get any joy talking directly to the python maintainers |
| 18:25.24 | valdyn | Leoneof: theres only the libc resolver library ( and its config ) and your dns server |
| 18:25.38 | themill | apollo13: the mod_wsgi documentation comes with information about how to use it with pdb. It's a faff but possible. |
| 18:25.48 | Leoneof | valdyn: oh btw, it can connect to freenode with port 6667, but not 7000 (ssl) |
| 18:25.59 | valdyn | Leoneof: you can use the "dig" command and skip using the resolver too |
| 18:26.19 | apollo13 | themill: yeah the docs there are nice, but not helpfull if you need to debug a currently running process -- you know there are issues which only turn up in live systems -_- |
| 18:26.36 | Leoneof | valdyn: maybe it's a problem with SSL |
| 18:26.39 | Leoneof | ok |
| 18:27.15 | themill | apollo13: yeah... reproducing them on a test machine that you can then muck about with is always step 0 as far as I'm concerned though |
| 18:27.34 | valdyn | Leoneof: maybe though its really a problem that only shows when you use ssl |
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| 18:28.46 | Leoneof | valdyn: i think so, because pidgin can't connect to yahoo because it sends password as ssl? not sure |
| 18:28.53 | apollo13 | themill: but even then python-dbg is a pain, all I'd need would be python compiled with -g without the api incompatibilities of python-dbg |
| 18:29.04 | valdyn | Leoneof: what debian release are you on? |
| 18:29.22 | Leoneof | valdyn: 6.0.2 |
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| 18:30.39 | valdyn | Leoneof: konversation does not use the same libssl |
| 18:31.17 | Leoneof | :[ |
| 18:31.27 | nkuttler | apollo13: if that's all you could just recompile python? |
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| 18:31.34 | valdyn | Leoneof: you need to find what exactly is triggering the issue, I think were just guesing, first dns, then ssl, still a wild guess |
| 18:31.56 | apollo13 | nkuttler: well I think that's all, but still, there might be another way I don't know about |
| 18:32.05 | valdyn | Leoneof: ( websites using https probably work just fine ) |
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| 18:32.31 | nkuttler | apollo13: well i wouldn't know, but for instructions /msg dpkg package recompile |
| 18:33.02 | Leoneof | valdyn: ok, brb. |
| 18:33.54 | bluesm | Hi. |
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| 18:34.09 | bluesm | can i identify exactly as other device (in wireless network0 |
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| 18:34.33 | nkuttler | bluesm: what do you mean? |
| 18:34.59 | bluesm | I wonder how it is that Wireless Point, send information everywhere, but one device get that. |
| 18:35.32 | Brigo | bluesm: ip protocol |
| 18:36.05 | bluesm | I know, it is not exactly debian channel. But I have my phone connected to wireless network, and i would like to identify my debian as this device (because of charges of every connected device) |
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| 18:36.44 | Brigo | bluesm: the network devices identifyes itself using MAC |
| 18:37.02 | nkuttler | bluesm: and you might be able to set that |
| 18:37.03 | Brigo | bluesm: you can change it with apropiate tool. |
| 18:37.07 | nkuttler | but i doubt that would help |
| 18:37.17 | nkuttler | bluesm: ifconfig can do that |
| 18:37.19 | bluesm | I checked it. |
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| 18:37.29 | bluesm | This doesn't work. |
| 18:37.40 | Brigo | i think they are using the phone id o something else. |
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| 18:39.03 | bluesm | Brigo: What if I change Mac, and set the IP adress of my phone ? |
| 18:39.10 | Brigo | you can try looking for config archives, specially for hidden ones. |
| 18:39.25 | bluesm | Brigo: Or I can't do that because of DHCP ? |
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| 18:39.32 | bluesm | config archives? |
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| 18:39.49 | Brigo | bluesm: you can use static ip configuration, no matter dhcp. |
| 18:40.06 | Brigo | bluesm: where configuration program save the connection data. |
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| 18:40.27 | Brigo | bluesm: may be the connetion key ... |
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| 18:42.43 | bluesm | Brigo: Isn't wireless networks exposed to listening ? |
| 18:44.08 | Brigo | it is exposed, of course. |
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| 18:46.23 | bluesm | Brigo: So how works security system. It makes something like "https" connection between Wireless Point and Wireless Card ? |
| 18:46.24 | boudiccas | actually its 'suckless-tools' not ehst i said earlier |
| 18:46.28 | boudiccas | what |
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| 18:47.52 | Brigo | i think they dont use encryption, so you can sniff it. |
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| 19:06.45 | peterS | man, so, I know printer prices reflect the model where you're mostly paying for consumables, but still ... I bought a Brother HL-2270DW for $100, but a replacement drum is like $110. How does that make sense? They really want me to just buy a new printer someday and throw away everything but the drum? |
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| 19:07.10 | peterS | (fortunately the drum is rated for 12000 pages so I will not need to do this any time soon) |
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| 19:07.56 | jhutchins | blue: It depends on the system. There are two major methods, WEP and WPA. WEP is minimally secure, WPA can be done in different ways and is more secure. |
| 19:08.22 | jhutchins | ... and I'm talking to someone who's not here. |
| 19:08.39 | sney | peterS, yes, $100 printers are designed so it makes more sense to replace the printer than to invest anything in repairing it. Also, that's not a debian question, but #debian-offtopic is a good place to vent about general IT woes |
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| 19:09.10 | peterS | yeah I knew it was offtopic. I don't intend to dwell on it, just noting I'm bemused about it all. |
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| 19:09.52 | sney | it's not like #debian-offtopic is some wasteland where nobody goes. |
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| 19:18.47 | confusid | How can I go about muting the Beep that happens in console or gui with I do something wrong? |
| 19:19.41 | sirToast | xset b off |
| 19:19.42 | Arrowmaster | for gui open the sound settings and goto the sound effects tab, switch the alert volume to off |
| 19:20.25 | tremon | and "set bell-style none" in .inputrc for readline (tab completion etc) |
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| 19:21.09 | tremon | man bash for the possible bell-style values |
| 19:21.28 | confusid | Arrowmaster: I do not see a sound effects tab. I'm in xfce. |
| 19:21.36 | confusid | xset worked! |
| 19:21.41 | confusid | trying set bell... |
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| 19:22.25 | Leoneof | valdyn: still :d |
| 19:22.33 | bitHipy | Android users-- plz recommend a contact manager for Debian that will sync with Androids.. thanks! |
| 19:22.43 | confusid | tremon: .inputrc is that like adding items for when I login? |
| 19:22.44 | Arrowmaster | bitHipy: google contacts |
| 19:23.03 | tremon | confusid: not only login, but .inputrc is only read when bash starts |
| 19:23.32 | confusid | ty to all for the help! |
| 19:23.36 | bitHipy | Arrowmaster: what's the debian package name for that? googlecl? |
| 19:23.51 | confusid | It's not bad but when I have a set of ear buds in -_- I think I go deaf for a moment. |
| 19:24.06 | Arrowmaster | bitHipy: www.google.com/contacts |
| 19:24.34 | Arrowmaster | tada you can manage your android contacts from debian |
| 19:24.48 | bitHipy | Arrowmaster: ah, well I don't want a 3rd party to have my contacts.. i'm looking to sync directly between droid and debian |
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| 19:25.24 | Arrowmaster | no clue then |
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| 19:32.21 | valdyn | bitHipy: you need to run your own server then i believe, https://patrick-nagel.net/blog/archives/389 might be a starting point |
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| 19:32.31 | grafdiffuzor | I'm getting visual glitches in Wheezy using xfce4/fglrx. Is it some known bug? |
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| 19:33.40 | valdyn | bitHipy: or if its only the contacts maybe a plain ldap server can be accessed by android |
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| 19:35.10 | bitHipy | thanks valdyn.. looks like just what i need |
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| 19:42.43 | haole | anyone good with autoconf around? |
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| 19:44.01 | woshty | is there a version of skype that will run on wheezy? |
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| 19:44.58 | ageis | yes |
| 19:45.46 | woshty | ageis: did you answer me or haole? |
| 19:46.31 | wols | !tell woshty about skype |
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| 19:50.22 | confusid | when I try to start google-chrome I get this. http://paste.debian.net/227173/ |
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| 19:50.48 | Aut0Exec | can someone tell me what they make of this. http://oswatershed.org/ |
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| 19:50.50 | Aut0Exec | ^^ |
| 19:50.51 | Aut0Exec | ? |
| 19:51.05 | Aut0Exec | arch and fedora seem to be taking over yes? |
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| 19:56.08 | ChrisH | Aut0Exec: why not taking debian's chromium? |
| 19:56.11 | Aut0Exec | ChrisH: what? |
| 19:56.12 | ChrisH | confusid: why not taking debian's chromium? |
| 19:56.18 | Aut0Exec | oh |
| 19:56.19 | ChrisH | Aut0Exec: mixed up lines |
| 19:56.21 | Aut0Exec | k |
| 19:56.42 | pythonsnake | How is Wheezy for servers? |
| 19:56.58 | Aut0Exec | pythonsnake: its pretty good mang |
| 19:56.59 | Aut0Exec | :) |
| 19:57.07 | jelly-home | pythonsnake: lacking in security fixes |
| 19:57.10 | confusid | ChrisH: trying to see what the difference is on performance if there is a difference. |
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| 19:57.29 | Aut0Exec | pythonsnake: for server stick with stable |
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| 19:57.56 | pythonsnake | jelly-home: squeeze is so old |
| 19:58.03 | Aut0Exec | http://oswatershed.org/ |
| 19:58.13 | Aut0Exec | according to this ... fedora is the best |
| 19:58.16 | jelly-home | pythonsnake: yes, it is. |
| 19:58.31 | jelly-home | Aut0Exec: do you know what that page is measuring? |
| 19:58.43 | Aut0Exec | jelly-home: not quite bro |
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| 19:59.33 | ChrisH | pythonsnake: for servers you want something stable. Age is not argument. 2 years ago we installed the first Solaris 10 systems in a TelCo datacenter. Telcos are more conservative then others. |
| 20:00.01 | Aut0Exec | jelly-home: basically... me and pythonsnake are at a crossroad here... we are considering.. arch, debian, or centos |
| 20:00.05 | jelly-home | Aut0Exec: well, figure it out, and then you'll know what the top contenders are best _AT_ |
| 20:00.14 | Aut0Exec | lol ok |
| 20:00.22 | jelly-home | !best |
| 20:00.22 | dpkg | Best for what? Please define what you mean by "best". Gloria Gaynor! Tina Turner! Aretha Franklin! Men without Hats! Women without Hats! Men at Work! Women at Play! Anyone for Tennis! |
| 20:01.06 | Aut0Exec | stable yet... cutting edge |
| 20:01.13 | Aut0Exec | latest packages |
| 20:01.14 | Aut0Exec | etc |
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| 20:01.24 | ChrisH | For production systems with SLA, Debian stable. For personal desktop or servers, testing. |
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| 20:01.49 | pythonsnake | production? |
| 20:02.01 | pythonsnake | like heavy load? |
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| 20:02.15 | tremon | ChrisH: depends on what the SLA is for. If your SLA defines OS age in terms of number of non-superseded packages... |
| 20:02.21 | ChrisH | production != testing or staging. |
| 20:02.33 | Aut0Exec | ChrisH: how stable would you consider wheezy? |
| 20:02.52 | Aut0Exec | only reason i would consider wheezy is because of gnome3 |
| 20:02.54 | Aut0Exec | thats all i want |
| 20:03.02 | pythonsnake | ChrisH: how about production AND testing o_O |
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| 20:03.33 | ChrisH | tremon: SLA is service Level Agreements, the time you garantue your customer the avaliablity and your reaction time on incidents. |
| 20:03.58 | ChrisH | pythonsnake: A server does not have Gnome3. So If this is your desktop go with testing |
| 20:04.35 | Aut0Exec | ChrisH: how stable is wheezy/ |
| 20:04.36 | Aut0Exec | ? |
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| 20:05.24 | Aut0Exec | ChrisH: a dude here told me to install wheezy then when its stable... just update and upgrade and i'll be at the lastest stable version |
| 20:05.46 | ChrisH | Aut0Exec: For me its stable enough for my desktop. But thats my decision and I am an experienced UNIX admin. |
| 20:05.56 | sney | Aut0Exec, it's frozen and release will be in a few months. debian "testing" at this point in the release cycle is a lot like a lot of other distros' "stable" |
| 20:06.11 | sney | debian has higher standards than most |
| 20:06.12 | ChrisH | Aut0Exec: Sure thats the correct approach. Take testing if you know what you are doing. |
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| 20:06.52 | Aut0Exec | ok |
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| 20:08.15 | ChrisH | Aut0Exec: I am running unstable on my Laptop. And I sometimes say (with some blinking eye): Debian unstable is what other companies sell as stable SW ;) |
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| 20:10.21 | Aut0Exec | ChrisH: lol ok |
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| 20:10.46 | Aut0Exec | ChrisH: should i get the daily build ? |
| 20:11.30 | Aut0Exec | or just click on the link on the main wheezy page? |
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| 20:12.11 | sney | Aut0Exec, the daily and weekly builds just refer to the installer itself. the operating system is the same between them. |
| 20:12.24 | Aut0Exec | ok |
| 20:12.28 | sney | the daily build netinstaller is what the installer team wants people to test, though. |
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| 20:13.44 | ChrisH | Aut0Exec,pythonsnake: It is YOUR decision what you take. Stable to include security fixes in timely manner. Testing has newer Versions, but newer versions can have newer Bugs. |
| 20:14.11 | Aut0Exec | ok |
| 20:14.29 | pythonsnake | ChrisH: im not with Aut0Exec |
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| 20:15.07 | Aut0Exec | pythonsnake: dude.... really? you backing out on me? |
| 20:15.14 | jhutchins | ChrisH: The only companies that really have stability policies are RH and SuSE/Novell. |
| 20:15.16 | sney | also, upgrades from squeeze to wheezy will be fully supported once wheezy releases, and pretty easy as long as you don't have 3rd party packages. so you could install squeeze now and get wheezy in March or so, whenever the actual release happens. |
| 20:15.26 | TheWarden_ | I'm not sure what to try here, I have a new system setup with lxde along with alsa-base. However when I use Rythmbox to play some music I don't hear anything. What does one suggest to figure out how to fix this? |
| 20:15.27 | Aut0Exec | pythonsnake: you traitor |
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| 20:15.49 | jhutchins | !sound |
| 20:15.49 | dpkg | [sound] Ask me about <alsa>, <install alsa>, <alsa checklist>. See also <default alsa>, <devdsp>, <dmix>, <microphone>, <oss4>, <pulseaudio>. |
| 20:15.55 | ChrisH | pythonsnake: that made me thinking that: 21:00 < Aut0Exec> jelly-home: basically... me and pythonsnake are at a crossroad here... we are considering.. arch, debian, or centos |
| 20:16.01 | jhutchins | !alsa checklist |
| 20:16.02 | dpkg | 1) add yourself to the 'audio' group (log out & in again) 2) unmute and raise channels w/ alsamixer (also try muting some & toggle jack sense if available) 3) <pulseaudio> or other daemon stopped? 4) speakers on? 5) does "aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav" work for root? 6) squeeze: purge any installed <oss4> packages to remove ALSA blacklist. See also <list alsa users>, <alsa firmware>. |
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| 20:16.27 | Aut0Exec | ChrisH: sorry for the slight mixup here... we are settling this now in a PM. :) |
| 20:16.28 | jhutchins | TheWarden_: squeeze or wheezy? |
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| 20:16.38 | tremon | TheWarden_: also, gstreamer-alsa plugin installed and configured? |
| 20:16.46 | TheWarden_ | jhutchins: it's squeeze |
| 20:17.06 | pythonsnake | ChrisH: i didnt mention it heh |
| 20:17.13 | pats_Toms | hi, I want to get working sudo for random user, I added it to sudo group, rebooted system, but I still can't use sudo. |
| 20:17.16 | pats_Toms | any ideas? |
| 20:17.23 | jhutchins | TheWarden_: Run through the checklist then. I think wheezy may be doing pulseaudio again. (If squeeze installed pulseaudio I recommend you remove it.) |
| 20:17.23 | pats_Toms | I have debian 6 |
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| 20:17.44 | TheWarden_ | okay thanks folks, I'll do the check list and see what I find out. |
| 20:18.03 | ChrisH | pats_Toms: does id -a show the sudo group? |
| 20:18.07 | jhutchins | pats_Toms: Is the user a member of the group? No need to reboot, just have that user log out and log back in. How did you add the user to the group? |
| 20:18.11 | tremon | pats_Toms: is the random user you added to the sudo group the same user that you log in with? |
| 20:18.39 | pats_Toms | I used "adduser toms sudo" |
| 20:18.41 | pats_Toms | toms is the user |
| 20:18.44 | tremon | silently lols |
| 20:19.00 | jhutchins | pats_Toms: I don't think that works. |
| 20:19.01 | tremon | sometimes you get no answers at all, and sometimes... |
| 20:19.11 | jhutchins | pats_Toms: Use the groups command to see if it worked. |
| 20:19.30 | TheWarden_ | jhutchins: why do you recommend to remove pulseaudio? |
| 20:19.31 | pats_Toms | I red about that on debian wiki |
| 20:19.36 | pats_Toms | interesting... |
| 20:19.37 | legop | which packages includes xrandr? |
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| 20:19.59 | dawud | legop: try apt-file search |
| 20:20.00 | Kingsy | anyone in here use a weather station on debian ? |
| 20:20.01 | jhutchins | pats_Toms: Do you have the link handy? Other people have been confused about this, maybe that's why. |
| 20:20.06 | pats_Toms | http://wiki.debian.org/sudo |
| 20:20.08 | ChrisH | legop: man aptitude look for search |
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| 20:20.26 | pats_Toms | To add an user to the sudo group: # adduser foo sudo |
| 20:20.35 | tremon | ,file bin/xrandr |
| 20:20.39 | judd | Search for bin/xrandr in squeeze/i386: x11-xserver-utils: usr/bin/xrandr |
| 20:20.53 | zykotick9 | pats_Toms: your "adduser YOURUSER sudo" should be find |
| 20:20.58 | jhutchins | pats_Toms: Like I said, check to see if it worked, but I think you need to use usermod -a -G |
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| 20:21.26 | zykotick9 | jhutchins: you are giving incorrect info in this case |
| 20:21.51 | pats_Toms | jhutchins: usermod -a -G login? |
| 20:21.59 | zykotick9 | jhutchins: using adduser is prefered then usermod due to the failure of most to use -a |
| 20:22.02 | legop | judd thank you very much |
| 20:22.04 | pats_Toms | where login is my user name? |
| 20:22.27 | legop | dawud, ChrisH, i tried the aptitude search, but unfotunately i just got lxrandr packages, which don't include xrandr |
| 20:22.52 | jhutchins | pats_Toms: usermod -a -G audio toms |
| 20:22.55 | tremon | legop: apt-get search and aptitude search don't search for file names, you need apt-file for that |
| 20:23.16 | pats_Toms | jhutchins: so, I just change audio to sudo |
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| 20:23.25 | pats_Toms | and try it |
| 20:23.34 | jhutchins | zykotick9: Ok, it's not universally (cross-distro) true, which may be why it's not documented in the manpage. |
| 20:23.43 | ChrisH | legop: I must apologize as I over looked the lx while testing it. |
| 20:23.47 | jhutchins | pats_Toms: Sorry, yes. |
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| 20:23.59 | jhutchins | pats_Toms: Previous discussion was re audio. |
| 20:23.59 | tremon | jhutchins: it is in wheezy's manpage though, not sure about squeeze |
| 20:24.07 | legop | tremon oh i see, good to know, i think this is a useful tool ;) |
| 20:24.12 | ChrisH | legop: apt-file search xrandr shows x11-xserver-utils: /usr/bin/xrandr |
| 20:24.16 | jhutchins | tremon: Not that I see. I wonder if it works in squeeze? |
| 20:24.29 | pats_Toms | "toms is not in the sudoers file. This incident will be reported." |
| 20:24.32 | pats_Toms | any ideas? |
| 20:24.33 | tremon | not sure, have no systems left to test :) |
| 20:24.39 | zykotick9 | jhutchins: adduser certainly works in squeeze |
| 20:24.55 | tremon | pats_Toms: can you paste the contents of /etc/sudoers and /etc/sudoers.d/* ? |
| 20:24.56 | jhutchins | zykotick9: Specifically the group function? |
| 20:24.59 | zykotick9 | pats_Toms: are you logging out/back in after making these changes |
| 20:25.02 | zykotick9 | jhutchins: yes |
| 20:25.03 | tremon | !tell pats_Toms about paste |
| 20:25.04 | ChrisH | pats_Toms: does id -a show the new group? |
| 20:25.06 | pats_Toms | yes |
| 20:25.15 | pats_Toms | yes |
| 20:25.16 | jhutchins | zykotick9: Ok, thanks for straightening me out. |
| 20:25.21 | kieppie | howdy |
| 20:25.25 | pats_Toms | I tried groups toms ChrisH |
| 20:25.27 | legop | ChrisH, actually i heard the first time of apt-file, but i will remember it in the future - thx |
| 20:25.31 | pats_Toms | and there was "sudo" |
| 20:25.38 | kieppie | I've just installed LXDE on a fresh Debian in a VM |
| 20:25.39 | kieppie | I've set up an (unprivelaged) account to auto-login & I'd like to autostart my VNC server |
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| 20:25.47 | kieppie | I've added the location to the ~/.config/autostart file |
| 20:25.47 | kieppie | 9:22 |
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| 20:26.05 | kieppie | unfortunately it does not seem to be acting on the file @ login |
| 20:26.48 | pats_Toms | tremon: http://sprunge.us/XYid |
| 20:27.11 | ChrisH | # %sudo ALL=NOPASSWD: ALL |
| 20:27.15 | tremon | pats_Toms: read the last few lines and do what it says :) |
| 20:27.19 | jhutchins | kieppie: Which vnc server did you install? |
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| 20:27.48 | tremon | pats_Toms: or, uncomment it and remove the NOPASSWD: if you don't want passwordless access (recommended) |
| 20:27.56 | kieppie | xtightvnc. I can run it OK from the CLI over SSH |
| 20:28.01 | jhutchins | zykotick9: He said he rebooted after adding the group. |
| 20:28.08 | kieppie | calling `vncserver` |
| 20:28.19 | jhutchins | Don't we need one more ALL? |
| 20:28.20 | zykotick9 | jhutchins: adding the group? sudo is there by default... |
| 20:28.25 | pmo | could anyone tell me why i should use pam with ssh on debian? |
| 20:28.29 | Kingsy | guys, I have just plugged in a USB serial device, or at least I think it is, and a /dev/ttyUSB0 dev has not been created... why would that be? this is what dmesg says when I plug it in --> http://pastie.org/5789510 |
| 20:28.38 | jhutchins | zykotick9: The group to the user (or the user to the group). |
| 20:28.41 | pats_Toms | tremon: so I just change it to "%sudo ALL= ALL"? |
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| 20:29.04 | jhutchins | pmo: Don't have to maintain multiple auth mechs. |
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| 20:29.19 | Leoneof | hello, i'm trying to use irc with programs like konversation, xchat, and yahoo messenger with pidgin but they are never working except if i add dns 8.8.8.8 in my connection, but in Windows everything is ok without these dns, any idea? |
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| 20:29.31 | tremon | pats_Toms: well, if we go by the example, yes that should work. The preferred syntax is an explicit hostname config as in the lines above, so ALL=(ALL) ALL |
| 20:29.33 | ChrisH | Kingsy: from my understaning it does not get recocgnized as usb-serial |
| 20:29.36 | pmo | jhutchins: im just curious why its default now |
| 20:29.45 | jhutchins | Leoneof: DHCP? |
| 20:29.54 | pats_Toms | tremon: oh, ok, thanks |
| 20:29.58 | pats_Toms | really nice people here |
| 20:29.58 | Leoneof | jhutchins: yes it's dhcp (auto ip) |
| 20:30.00 | pats_Toms | thanks everyone |
| 20:30.08 | pmo | jhutchins: im just used to plain sshd, then locking it down |
| 20:30.09 | Kingsy | ChrisH: so what would I do? the application I am using to read it needs a "port" as an example it gives me /dev/ttyUSB0 |
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| 20:30.15 | jhutchins | Leoneof: It _should_ be getting resolv.conf from dhcp. |
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| 20:30.53 | Leoneof | jhutchins: i can see dns in resolv.conf, anything else? |
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| 20:32.07 | jhutchins | Kingsy: It's not getting a proper ID and is configuring it as a generic HID. |
| 20:32.15 | Leoneof | jhutchins: btw, irc with 6667 is ok, but not with 7000 , looks like ssl problem? |
| 20:32.16 | jhutchins | Leoneof: Test them. |
| 20:32.17 | ChrisH | Kingsy: replug it. run lsusb and check the USB IDs with google. From my experience there are 2 types of USB Serial covers out. One type which does work out of the box and the others which does not work at all |
| 20:32.47 | jhutchins | Leoneof: That wouldn't be affected by DNS, all DNS does is convert the hostname to an IP address. |
| 20:33.23 | Leoneof | jhutchins: aha, then it's ssl? |
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| 20:33.33 | jhutchins | Leoneof: COuld be. |
| 20:33.47 | Leoneof | how to check about this :/ |
| 20:34.26 | Leoneof | jhutchins: even i can't join yahoo account x_x |
| 20:34.33 | Leoneof | in webpage |
| 20:34.41 | jhutchins | !ssl |
| 20:34.41 | dpkg | Secure Sockets Layer (SSL) is a protocol specified by Netscape that allows for "secure" passage of data. It uses public key encryption, including digital certificates and digital signatures, to pass data between a browser and a server, or more generally, all sorts of network clients and the respective servers. It is an open standard and most modern browsers support it. |
| 20:34.43 | Leoneof | but hotmail is fine |
| 20:35.47 | Leoneof | :[ |
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| 20:38.04 | jhutchins | Leoneof: What you need to test is whether http and https both work the same. It's possible your ISP is filtering ports. |
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| 20:38.44 | Kingsy | ChrisH: sorry I got disconnected. |
| 20:38.55 | jhutchins | Leoneof: Different irc servers use different protocols on differnt ports; different clients handle ssl differrently. |
| 20:39.00 | Kingsy | well firstly, how do I find out for sure if my device is compatible with linux? |
| 20:39.37 | jhutchins | Leoneof: Which iceweasel are you running? |
| 20:39.44 | Leoneof | jhutchins: but no problems with XP and 7 |
| 20:39.48 | Leoneof | jhutchins: firefox18 |
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| 20:40.07 | jhutchins | Leoneof: Not iceweasel? |
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| 20:40.19 | Leoneof | jhutchins: i don't use iceweasel |
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| 20:40.49 | Kingsy | I mean it just is compatiable --> http://code.google.com/p/wfrog/ <-- for example.. lists my weather station as supported, why would it support it if it doesnt work on linux |
| 20:40.53 | jhutchins | Kingsy: What you posted in the pastebin shows that it's not detecting the device correctly. At the very least you need to unplug it and plug it back in. If it's supposed to have external power make sure it does. |
| 20:41.19 | Kingsy | jhutchins: yeah I have, I disconnected it, reconnected it about 3 or 4 times. |
| 20:41.36 | jhutchins | Leoneof: If you installed packages from some source outside debian it's possible that your ssl isn't set up correctly. |
| 20:42.36 | jhutchins | Kingsy: See where it says "New USB device strings: Mfr=0, Product=0, SerialNumber=0"? |
| 20:42.41 | Kingsy | yeah |
| 20:42.48 | Leoneof | jhutchins: i don't have sources outside debian, but if so.. how to reinstall ssl? |
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| 20:43.13 | ChrisH | Kingsy: pastebin lsusb but it looks like the USB-serial-converter is strange or broken |
| 20:43.29 | jhutchins | Kingsy: Should be something like New USB device strings: Mfr=1, Product=2, SerialNumber=3 |
| 20:43.40 | Kingsy | ChrisH: Bus 003 Device 006: ID 1941:8021 Dream Link WH1080 Weather Station / USB Missile Launche |
| 20:44.00 | Kingsy | that is what lsusb says |
| 20:44.06 | jhutchins | Kingsy: New USB device found, idVendor=03f0, idProduct=5307 |
| 20:44.35 | jhutchins | Kingsy: Hey, that time it might have worked! See if you have a ttyUSB0 now! |
| 20:44.57 | pmo | hmm i better disable sshd again, and try figure out how i secure sshd using pam |
| 20:44.57 | jhutchins | Leoneof: You have non-debian sources if you have Firefox. |
| 20:45.25 | Kingsy | jhutchins: nope, ttyUSB* doesnt exist |
| 20:45.44 | jhutchins | Kingsy: Strange, it recognizes it. |
| 20:45.56 | Kingsy | exactly |
| 20:46.05 | Kingsy | very very weird. I am totally confused. |
| 20:46.17 | Kingsy | and I don't know what to try |
| 20:46.33 | tremon | pmo: the most secure sshd setups don't allow password authentication at all |
| 20:46.35 | Leoneof | jhutchins: ah, it's portable, and it doesn't smack pidgin and xchat too :\ |
| 20:46.46 | pmo | tremon: part of it |
| 20:47.34 | pmo | would be more easy to get the key from me than to bruteforce my accounts |
| 20:48.15 | Kingsy | I mean --> Bus 003 Device 006: ID 1941:8021 Dream Link WH1080 Weather Station <-- that IS exactly what the device is. doesnt that mean it has loaded the correct driver.. in which case why wouldnt a /dev/ttyBLAH have been created.. |
| 20:48.23 | Kingsy | would rebooting the machine help or something? |
| 20:48.29 | tremon | Kingsy: what does lsusb -vv say about that device? more exact, what is its InterfaceClass? |
| 20:48.37 | Kingsy | 1 sec |
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| 20:49.05 | pmo | tremon: i only want to use a single account and lock the rest out |
| 20:49.33 | Kingsy | tremon: http://pastie.org/5790602 |
| 20:49.58 | tremon | pmo: search man sshd_config for AllowUsers? |
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| 20:50.10 | Kingsy | tremon: so bInterfaceClass 3 Human Interface Device |
| 20:50.13 | pmo | but dont i have to use pam now? |
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| 20:50.28 | pmo | i know of allowusers and rootlogin |
| 20:50.37 | pmo | but does it even apply when using pam? |
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| 20:51.29 | jhutchins | Kingsy: All I can suggest is googling the weather station model with terms like "linux" and "debian". The only posts I've found that had it working used the Windows software with wine. |
| 20:51.41 | tremon | pmo: ah, not sure about that. But you can disable PAM in the same config file, right? |
| 20:51.54 | jhutchins | Kingsy: It did appear that someone was working on drivers for it, but they were only available as source. |
| 20:52.04 | pmo | well since debian adds it as default, there must be a good reason for me to use it |
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| 20:52.08 | jhutchins | Kingsy: (As of June 2010). |
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| 20:52.31 | pmo | i dont really find any good documentation on it either |
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| 20:52.38 | tremon | Kingsy: your device is announcing itself as a hid, i.e. input device. that's not a serial port |
| 20:52.40 | pmo | maybe my google-fu fails tonight |
| 20:52.49 | jhutchins | pmo: Yes, restrictions in sshd.conf apply with pam. |
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| 20:53.03 | pmo | ok thanks jhutchins |
| 20:53.16 | jhutchins | tremon: Note that the pastebin does not show the device identifying itself at all. |
| 20:53.16 | pats_Toms | autocomplite on terminal is not working, any ideas? |
| 20:53.23 | Kingsy | jhutchins: DAMN.. so its not compatible |
| 20:53.26 | Diddi | Hi! I'm trying to get wheezy 64b multiarch to work. I've added dpkg --add-architecture i386, and [arch=amd64,i386] aswell as updated apt db. but apt can never find any :i386 packages. am I missing something? |
| 20:53.28 | tremon | Kingsy: you may want to look up usb-modeswitch and see if it recognizes your device |
| 20:53.38 | jhutchins | tremon: The system is defaulting to an HID because that's the lowest level default. |
| 20:53.41 | Kingsy | tremon: what is that? |
| 20:53.44 | jhutchins | Kingsy: Not entirely. |
| 20:53.56 | tremon | jhutchins: ah thx, didn't know that about hid |
| 20:54.29 | Kingsy | jhutchins: how so? I wouldnt know how to compile and use a custom driver. |
| 20:54.38 | Kingsy | I cant find any information about it at all. |
| 20:54.51 | tremon | !tell Kingsy about modeswitch |
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| 20:55.22 | jhutchins | Kingsy: http://meteolinger.lowlevel.cz/ |
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| 20:56.30 | Kingsy | jhutchins: wow.. ok so thats exactly what I need... |
| 20:56.41 | Kingsy | I have the W-8681 |
| 20:56.47 | Kingsy | which apparently it has been tested on |
| 20:57.19 | jhutchins | Kingsy: http://www.jim-easterbrook.me.uk/weather/ |
| 20:58.48 | Kingsy | hrm, is that saying that you can read the device with pyhton ? |
| 20:58.50 | Kingsy | python |
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| 20:59.56 | tremon | pats_Toms: not at all, or just with specific commands? if the latter, install bash-completion |
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| 21:00.43 | Kingsy | jhutchins: I think it would be nice to get the actual linux driver working.. do you know much about compiling and installing a driver? |
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| 21:02.19 | Kingsy | basically all I want is this ttyUSB0 port |
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| 21:02.50 | Kingsy | tremon: thanks for the info on that.. but I think a driver is the way to go.. don't you think? |
| 21:03.22 | bluenemo | hi guys. when i nmap localhost from my dedicated server port 25 is open. when i nmap it from my laptop it is closed. how could that be..? :/ |
| 21:03.37 | tremon | Kingsy: yes, probably. I was assuming that the device would be emulating a generic usb serial adapter, and just needed to be prodded a little to get in line |
| 21:04.04 | Kingsy | tremon: well I guess that would be worth a shot.. |
| 21:04.14 | Kingsy | tremon: but tbh, I don't understand that modeswitching thing. |
| 21:04.57 | tremon | Kingsy: it's built for usb devices that have a split personality, e.g. wireless dongles that emulate their own "driver" disk |
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| 21:05.13 | tt | hey, I'm trying to pick through what packages I've installed versus got pulled in as deps |
| 21:05.17 | tt | (to clean stuff out) |
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| 21:05.26 | tt | if I accidentally remove a dep, will apt-get dist-upgrade restore it? |
| 21:05.42 | Kingsy | tremon: could you give me a sample command to see if I can get anything to happen? |
| 21:05.43 | tremon | if you plug it in, all you see is a storage device with a windows driver on it. Once you install the windows driver, it flips the device so that it acts as the wireless dongle it really is |
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| 21:06.02 | tremon | but you can't really install windows drivers on linux, hence the tool |
| 21:06.08 | pats_Toms | tremon: http://sprunge.us/ZAaP |
| 21:06.09 | Kingsy | right I see |
| 21:06.24 | tremon | Kingsy: I've never used it, I only know it exists. can't help you further than that |
| 21:06.28 | Kingsy | tremon: could you give me a sample command that I might be able to use as a test to see if anything happens in this case? |
| 21:06.33 | Kingsy | ah ok |
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| 21:07.18 | tremon | pats_Toms: echo $SHELL? |
| 21:07.39 | pats_Toms | /bin/sh |
| 21:07.45 | pmo | jhutchins: just wanted to tell you it works :) |
| 21:07.54 | tremon | there's your problem :p |
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| 21:08.14 | pats_Toms | I have brand new debian :/ |
| 21:08.15 | pmo | seems i have misunderstood the into in the confile about pam |
| 21:08.26 | pmo | info* |
| 21:08.37 | jhutchins | pmo: Great! Sorry, wanderd off for a bit. |
| 21:08.51 | pmo | no issue, i got the answer i wanted hehe |
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| 21:09.31 | tremon | pats_Toms: you probably created this user manually, or didn't install bash at install time (?). chsh -s /bin/bash $USER should do it |
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| 21:09.57 | jhutchins | Kingsy: Yeah, I don't know why they're not packaging anything yet, they've been working on it for at least three years. |
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| 21:10.10 | jhutchins | Kingsy: Just not enough demand I guess. |
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| 21:11.14 | Kingsy | jhutchins: perhaps this mode_switching thing might work? |
| 21:11.17 | pats_Toms | tremon: thankts, works now |
| 21:11.21 | pats_Toms | *thanks |
| 21:11.58 | Kingsy | do you know how to use usb_modeswitch? It seems to just say http://pastie.org/5791940 |
| 21:12.11 | Dirkson | Hey all. I'd like to set up a nfs server, but debian appears to have switched out portmap for rpcbind, and most nfs setup instructions I can find for debian are dependent on portmap. Guidance? |
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| 21:13.54 | bluesm | Bringo: What do you mean: "Brigo: you can try looking for config archives, specially for hidden ones." |
| 21:13.56 | jhutchins | Kingsy: No clue. |
| 21:14.10 | tremon | Dirkson: rpcbind is a complete portmap replacement, just ignore the differences. Remember rpcinfo -p for checking if it works |
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| 21:15.15 | Dirkson | tremon: Well, /that/ suggests things are working ok. |
| 21:15.18 | Kingsy | jhutchins: np, thanks for the help |
| 21:15.27 | tremon | yay :) |
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| 21:16.47 | Dirkson | tremon: That's not a yay. If I can't pin it down to a problem with the server, it's an client problem, and then I'm well and truly hosed. The client is OSX. |
| 21:16.56 | tremon | Dirkson: when debugging nfs, I've found that starting the services with -vvv (edit /etc/default/nfs-common) was much more helpful than analyzing the portmap info |
| 21:17.17 | tremon | (oh, and /etc/default/nfs-kernel-server of course) |
| 21:17.24 | Dirkson | tremon: Handy!! |
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| 21:18.55 | Dirkson | tremon: Hmm. Where should I be putting -vvv? Both places that looked intuitive to me are coming back with "Command not found" |
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| 21:19.20 | zykotick9 | Dirkson: i'm SURE you know more about it then me. but when i tried NFS with OSX (years ago), it required the "insecure" option to work. |
| 21:19.28 | bluesm | What is "connetion key" in wireless networks ? |
| 21:19.46 | Dirkson | zykotick9: I've already added that : ) But I had no idea about it before last night, so it's good that you mentioned anyway. |
| 21:20.53 | Dirkson | zykotick9: I've never encountered an OS more bass-ackwards and impossible to use. Every time I try to do something to it I have to fight both it and the lack of solid information surrounding it. |
| 21:21.07 | tremon | Dirkson: RPCMOUNTDOPTS in nfs-kernel-server, RPCGSSDOPTS and STATDOPTS in -common. you can always start them manually in terminals btw, just ps -ef |grep rpc to check their current command line, kill them and run them as root while adding -d -vvv |
| 21:22.03 | tremon | wonders if c-a-f1 still works with wild cats... |
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| 21:22.30 | Dirkson | tremon: ps -ef | grep rpc doesn't return anything I'd connect to nfs? |
| 21:23.06 | tremon | Dirkson: doesn't return anything in the server? are the nfs services started? |
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| 21:23.11 | tremon | s/in/on/ |
| 21:23.21 | Dirkson | tremon: Yes, they're started. |
| 21:23.32 | Dirkson | tremon: Or rather, I started them. No idea if it took :D |
| 21:23.44 | tremon | hmm, then they should be visisble. one of my lines: |
| 21:23.49 | tremon | root 3706 1 0 2012 ? 00:00:06 /usr/sbin/rpc.mountd --port 20493 --manage-gids |
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| 21:24.15 | Dirkson | tremon: Yeah, I've got that. *confusion* |
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| 21:26.52 | tremon | Dirkson: do you have any exports defined? Maybe the kernel server won't start if there are no exports... |
| 21:27.21 | Dirkson | tremon: I've got 5 exports defined. Mostly variations on the same thing in case one fails. |
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| 21:28.34 | Dirkson | tremon: DAMN |
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| 21:28.44 | tremon | no thanks |
| 21:28.46 | Dirkson | tremon: I just hauled out the girlfriend's debian computer... Mounts perfectly. |
| 21:29.08 | tremon | resists the urge to point finger |
| 21:29.42 | Dirkson | tremon: OSX? Yeah, you don't have to tell me. I've spent the last three months of my life trying to get my [cross platform from the ground up] game functioning on it. |
| 21:32.35 | jhutchins | Dirkson: I dunno about nfs, but samba works between osx and linux. |
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| 21:32.55 | Dirkson | jhutchins: That /might/ work. |
| 21:33.10 | sney | nfs should "work" as well as it does in any mixed-unix environment I would think |
| 21:33.18 | Dirkson | jhutchins: Basically I'm trying to expose my main dev directory to OSX, so I can boot it up, hit "make", and have it Just Work. |
| 21:33.45 | tremon | I'd prefer to distribute with git though |
| 21:33.50 | Dirkson | sney: Should. Current experience suggests otherwise :D |
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| 21:34.28 | sney | is there any "security" nonsense on the osx end that might be stopping you? |
| 21:34.40 | Dirkson | sney: No idea |
| 21:34.55 | sney | maybe poke around it with nc and/or nmap |
| 21:35.07 | Dirkson | sney: That's a good suggestion |
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| 21:41.35 | marc_smith | hi. Is arm tablet chipset WM8850 [WonderMedia from VIA] supported by debian armhf? I can't seem to find any info. Anyone can help? |
| 21:41.45 | marc_smith | it's Cortex A9 |
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| 21:41.52 | marc_smith | 1200MhZ |
| 21:42.06 | marc_smith | with Mali 400 graphic |
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| 21:42.50 | Kingsy | ok, I have just compiled this driver.. http://meteolinger.lowlevel.cz/ <-- what now? just unplug and plug int he device? |
| 21:43.00 | Kingsy | or do you need to assign it somehow? |
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| 21:43.16 | Kingsy | jhutchins: you still there> |
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| 21:44.41 | sney | marc_smith, ask in #debian-arm on irc.debian.org |
| 21:44.55 | marc_smith | thx |
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| 21:45.15 | marc_smith | but there's only 1 person there |
| 21:45.31 | marc_smith | aaaah, irc.debian.org |
| 21:45.32 | marc_smith | ok |
| 21:45.35 | sney | :) |
| 21:46.02 | ssdfl23k412kl3j | hi all |
| 21:46.17 | ssdfl23k412kl3j | my debian server gives me "no space left on device" message constantly |
| 21:46.33 | ssdfl23k412kl3j | but I removed all the big files on the system, all logs, even some databases |
| 21:46.41 | ssdfl23k412kl3j | it's still unable |
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| 21:46.45 | ssdfl23k412kl3j | any ideas? |
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| 21:47.46 | sney | ssdfl23k412kl3j, can you pastebin the output of 'df -h' please |
| 21:48.28 | ssdfl23k412kl3j | sney: http://pastebin.com/ujvpNm1T |
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| 21:49.46 | sney | ssdfl23k412kl3j, ok, that's full except what's reserved for /root. have you run 'apt-get clean' lately? also, maybe a user directory has some unneeded downloads in it |
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| 21:50.24 | nkuttler | ssdfl23k412kl3j: 81G is a lot of data for a server, unless you're hosting images or movies or something |
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| 21:50.37 | nkuttler | ssdfl23k412kl3j: use also du -h to determine what uses up so much space |
| 21:50.39 | ssdfl23k412kl3j | nkuttler: I don't host any images or movies |
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| 21:51.09 | nkuttler | ssdfl23k412kl3j: start with du -hs /* |
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| 21:51.46 | nkuttler | ssdfl23k412kl3j: or find / -size +1G or something.. |
| 21:52.12 | ssdfl23k412kl3j | nkuttler: http://pastebin.com/Hv1nsivB |
| 21:52.15 | ssdfl23k412kl3j | I have nothing big |
| 21:52.57 | nkuttler | ssdfl23k412kl3j: looks like the disk usage info doesn't add up |
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| 21:54.48 | jordanm | ssdfl23k412kl3j, you probably have something running that is holding file descriptors open on deleted files |
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| 21:55.09 | ssdfl23k412kl3j | jordanm: I have redis and nodejs running |
| 21:55.13 | nkuttler | doesn't du account for that? |
| 21:55.23 | ssdfl23k412kl3j | but I tried to restart them |
| 21:55.29 | jordanm | ssdfl23k412kl3j, lsof | grep '(deleted)' |
| 21:55.47 | jordanm | nkuttler, no, the files have been unlinked from all directories |
| 21:55.56 | nkuttler | jordanm: i see |
| 21:56.28 | ssdfl23k412kl3j | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:56.38 | jordanm | as root |
| 21:56.41 | jhutchins | ssdfl23k412kl3j: An obvious step would be to shut those sevices down and see what happens. |
| 21:56.46 | jhutchins | ssdfl23k412kl3j: df -i? |
| 21:56.48 | ssdfl23k412kl3j | oh sorry, I got some results |
| 21:56.52 | ssdfl23k412kl3j | let me paste it to pastebin |
| 21:57.05 | jordanm | another possibility is that you have mounted over top of used space |
| 21:57.12 | ssdfl23k412kl3j | here it is: http://pastebin.com/GcjCSLkc |
| 21:57.19 | ssdfl23k412kl3j | there are many deleted files |
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| 21:58.27 | jhutchins | ssdfl23k412kl3j: You need to shut down processes until you kill whatever is holding those open. |
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| 21:59.22 | ssdfl23k412kl3j | yeah, I killed |
| 21:59.43 | ssdfl23k412kl3j | but still |
| 21:59.46 | ssdfl23k412kl3j | I have no space |
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| 22:00.19 | nkuttler | ssdfl23k412kl3j: is this some kind of vps? |
| 22:00.35 | ssdfl23k412kl3j | yes it is |
| 22:00.38 | ssdfl23k412kl3j | linode |
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| 22:01.28 | nkuttler | ssdfl23k412kl3j: try #linode on the oftc irc network. they have excellent support. could be a bug in their software i guess |
| 22:01.57 | nkuttler | ssdfl23k412kl3j: or if you can, just reboot once and see what happens |
| 22:02.10 | zykotick9 | <not a REAL issue> i have an ogg file (i could change to other media format if it's easier) from the band Information Society, that's called "300 BPS N,8,1 (terminal mode or ascii download)" and it sounds like, you guessed it, a modem connection. any ideas on how i could try connecting to this file? |
| 22:02.37 | nkuttler | zykotick9: connect to an ogg file? |
| 22:02.54 | zykotick9 | nkuttler: i don't have a better word... |
| 22:03.03 | nkuttler | zykotick9: do you want to play it? |
| 22:03.24 | zykotick9 | nkuttler: no, i want to try and get it's non-audio output. |
| 22:03.46 | zykotick9 | nkuttler: playing it, it's a modem connection sound. |
| 22:03.55 | nkuttler | zykotick9: what kind of output would that be? |
| 22:04.23 | zykotick9 | nkuttler: i seem to remember reading about this years ago - i believe it outputs some text message of some sort. |
| 22:04.33 | nkuttler | zykotick9: i guess vorbis-tools has something to display ogg tags |
| 22:04.37 | jordanm | ssdfl23k412kl3j, lsof -X | awk '$NF == "(deleted)" { s+=$7 } END { print s / (1024*1024)"M" }' |
| 22:04.51 | jordanm | ssdfl23k412kl3j, that will provide a total of space used by deleted files |
| 22:05.46 | jorick | when i wrap a server i'm developing in an init.d script, can i somehow have it be restarted should it crash? should I put a loop into the rc script? what's the recommended way of doing this in debian? |
| 22:05.51 | jordanm | ssdfl23k412kl3j, what does that give you? |
| 22:06.25 | jordanm | jorick, use an init system such as upstart or systemd that natively supports that |
| 22:06.34 | jordanm | jorick, otherwise, use something like supervisord |
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| 22:07.11 | nkuttler | jordanm: and consider fixing the service you're running |
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| 22:07.26 | jordanm | yep |
| 22:07.43 | jorick | jordanm: i'm using raspbian ... can i just switch to upstart? i thought that was for ubuntu? is it a drop-in replacement? |
| 22:08.12 | jordanm | !tell jordanm about raspbian |
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| 22:08.59 | jordanm | jorick, if you switch init systems, you will have to use a upstart or systemd service file for your service, otherwise you won't get the fancy features |
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| 22:10.59 | ssdfl23k412kl3j | jordanm: I got 0m |
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| 22:12.06 | jordanm | ssdfl23k412kl3j, pastebin the output of: mount; df -h |
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| 22:25.15 | jhutchins | zykotick9: Try mplayer. |
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| 22:25.48 | jhutchins | zykotick9: ogg is not a likely container for anything but audio though. Perhaps it was a part of something else. |
| 22:25.52 | zykotick9 | jhutchins: oh i can play the file audio just fine. i'm wondering if it's possible to use ppp or minicon or something, to try connecting to it... |
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| 22:27.20 | jhutchins | zykotick9: No. The audio connection negotiation is a function of the modem hardware itself, the stuff that translates digital bitstreams into analog audio. The connection is negotiated by exchanging tones, and that's what the sounds are. |
| 22:27.50 | Almtesh | Hi everyone! |
| 22:27.50 | jhutchins | zykotick9: The modems do a "call and response", so a static recording would be very unlikely to work. |
| 22:28.19 | Almtesh | Anybody know how to install debian on a tf300t? |
| 22:28.34 | jhutchins | I actually used to be able to tell pretty accurately what the speed of a connection was by listening to the handshake. |
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| 22:29.02 | Almtesh | Because debian is quitly stable. |
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| 22:29.38 | Almtesh | It would be great to have a stable OS on my tf300t. |
| 22:30.14 | Almtesh | As it works on ARM, I need a specific kernel and specific way to install. |
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| 22:30.26 | Almtesh | I don't know so much ARM architecture. |
| 22:30.51 | jhutchins | !arm |
| 22:30.51 | dpkg | Advanced RISC Machine (ARM) is a processor architecture. The Debian arm port was deprecated at Debian 5.0 with official support dropped at Debian 6.0, ask me about <armel> for the replacement port. See also <armhf>. http://www.debian.org/ports/arm/ For help with Debian on ARM systems, join #debian-arm on irc.oftc.net. |
| 22:30.54 | Almtesh | But I found that there were, somewhere, a debian installed on that hardware. |
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| 22:31.46 | jhutchins | Almtesh: Arch and Ubuntu have been done, haven't seen Debian directly, but oftc is where to ask about it. |
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| 22:32.09 | Almtesh | oftc? |
| 22:32.16 | zykotick9 | jhutchins: lacking flash, i can't actually see this video - but in case you want to know what on earth i'm talking about, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y3ZT-1y4eeY |
| 22:32.17 | Almtesh | What's that? |
| 22:32.26 | Almtesh | jhutchins, ↑ |
| 22:33.23 | Almtesh | ARM is deprecated, but it's future! |
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| 22:34.41 | zykotick9 | Almtesh: arm is deprectated, see armel or armhf... |
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| 22:35.00 | Almtesh | OK. |
| 22:35.33 | Almtesh | It's a ARMv7l. |
| 22:35.44 | Almtesh | Pearhaps… |
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| 22:37.03 | jhutchins | zykotick9: The video would have been encoded in the data on the CD, the ogg would not likely have copied it. |
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| 22:37.50 | zykotick9 | jhutchins: lol, it's not a video on the CD, it's just a modem connection sound - that i assume if i had an acoustic modem, i could get the text output from ;) |
| 22:39.27 | jhutchins | zykotick9: I don't think so, but have fun. |
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| 22:39.56 | zykotick9 | jhutchins: :) thanks. perhpas i'll ask again someday, but i've now forgotten about it. |
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| 22:40.24 | jhutchins | zykotick9: I don't hear any data keying there, just the handshake tones from one device. |
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| 22:42.04 | zykotick9 | jhutchins: the fact that you can distinquish those modem noises, makes you a BBS-nerd ;) i respect that. |
| 22:42.40 | jhutchins | The Wolf's Den, 1:280/76 1989-1995. |
| 22:43.00 | {her|bert} | how can i change the size of console fonts (tty1-6)? |
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| 22:43.21 | jhutchins | I also specialized at connecting incompatible hardware back then - like controlling an IBM mainframe with a Commodore64. |
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| 22:43.29 | zykotick9 | {her|bert}: "dpkg-reconfigure console-setup" |
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| 22:47.10 | {her|bert} | zykotick9: i've tried this, but for example Fixed 18 isn't big enough. Can i add other/greater fonts? |
| 22:48.02 | zykotick9 | {her|bert}: not that "I'm" aware of... you might want to consider changing the resolution perhaps? |
| 22:48.26 | woshty | how do i tell adduser not to copy from /etc/skel? |
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| 22:48.55 | Guest72192 | "man adduser" |
| 22:49.04 | sirToast | {her|bert}: there are some really big fonts that go up to size 32 I remember |
| 22:49.10 | sirToast | {her|bert}: try different fonts |
| 22:49.30 | {her|bert} | zykotick9: i have to do this in the grub-conf? |
| 22:50.01 | zykotick9 | {her|bert}: yes, grub now determines/sets console resolution |
| 22:50.04 | woshty | Guest72192: ? |
| 22:50.34 | Guest72192 | actually, man adduser.conf |
| 22:50.40 | Guest72192 | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:50.44 | woshty | Guest72192: yeah, i thought so :) |
| 22:50.55 | {her|bert} | zykotick9: sirToast: thx, I'll try this |
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| 22:51.33 | woshty | Guest72192: but i was hoping to an undocumented --dont-copy-shit option |
| 22:51.40 | zykotick9 | {her|bert}: you might want to try terminus/terminusbold for larger fonts (if you like terminus) |
| 22:51.47 | woshty | for |
| 22:51.59 | Guest72192 | woshty doesn't seem to have one |
| 22:52.27 | sirToast | I especially wish for --i-dont-care-if-it-cant-be-done-just-do-it-damnit |
| 22:52.54 | jordanm | woshty, use useradd |
| 22:53.32 | jordanm | woshty, just omit `-m` and manually create the home directory |
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| 23:02.53 | hasdf | nabend |
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| 23:07.15 | joannn | hi |
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| 23:08.38 | joannn | is it possible to create a sort of 'snapshot' or backup list, of the packages that are installed on a debian pc ? i'd like to replicate the very same package installation on another machine (using the backup-list of packages) |
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| 23:09.55 | themill | dpkg: tell joannn about aptitude clone |
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| 23:19.00 | Sjors | Hi |
| 23:19.12 | Sjors | I'm running debian-installer on a remote headless ARM machine via SSH, which is working quite nicely |
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| 23:20.18 | Sjors | however, when I get to the partitioner step, after it loads I immediately get the question whether I want to process the partitioner steps, and the list of partitioning steps is empty |
| 23:20.27 | Sjors | there is no question whether I want to use guided or manual partitioning |
| 23:20.36 | Sjors | when I open a shell, /dev/sd* doesn't exist |
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| 23:22.05 | Sjors | i.e. the "Detect disks" installer step doesn't find anything |
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| 23:22.18 | joannn | thanks themill |
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| 23:48.55 | Uuni | hi |
| 23:49.58 | Uuni | i need help |
| 23:50.04 | Uuni | someone please help me |
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| 23:50.33 | Uuni | can anyone help |
| 23:50.38 | jagginess | !ask |
| 23:50.38 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 23:50.42 | themill | Uuni: only if you ask a question |
| 23:50.47 | Uuni | E: Could not perform immediate configuration on 'default-jre'. Please see man 5 apt.conf under APT::Immediate-Configure for details. (2) |
| 23:51.07 | Uuni | apt-get -f dist-upgrade |
| 23:51.18 | Uuni | i do that and get the error i said efore that |
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| 23:52.03 | dokma | is there a way to eavesdrop on an ssh tunnel? |
| 23:52.15 | dokma | the one that I made |
| 23:54.46 | Uuni | help |
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| 23:55.18 | themill | Uuni: patience, grasshopper |
| 23:56.31 | themill | Uuni: what happens if you run "dpkg -r --force-depends gcj-jre; apt-get -f install; apt-get dist-upgrade" |
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| 23:57.14 | Uuni | You might want to run 'apt-get -f install' to correct these. |
| 23:57.14 | Uuni | The following packages have unmet dependencies: |
| 23:57.14 | Uuni | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:57.14 | Uuni | E: Unmet dependencies. Try using -f. |
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| 23:57.26 | Uuni | wtf theres floodbots in a debian channel |
| 23:57.42 | themill | Uuni: please use paste.debian.net to show the command you gave and the entire output |
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| 23:59.00 | Uuni | http://paste.debian.net/227242/ |