| 00:00.07 | themill | Uuni: ok, also try removing openoffice.org-gcj then |
| 00:00.34 | jagginess | looks like he's holding packages |
| 00:00.41 | jagginess | (line 14) |
| 00:00.44 | themill | jagginess: probably not |
| 00:01.06 | Uuni | how do i remove that think you said with the office |
| 00:01.11 | Uuni | whats the command |
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| 00:02.15 | themill | dpkg -r openoffice.org-gcj |
| 00:02.15 | dpkg | removes openoffice.org-gcj along with a pound of flesh from themill's body, then staples themill back up with a staple gun. |
| 00:02.20 | themill | dpkg: shush |
| 00:02.20 | dpkg | Fine, I'll shut up. |
| 00:02.51 | Uuni | now what do i do themill |
| 00:02.55 | Uuni | :D |
| 00:03.01 | themill | apt-get -f install |
| 00:03.21 | Uuni | 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 1431 not upgraded. |
| 00:03.32 | themill | good. now "apt-get dist-upgrade" |
| 00:03.50 | Uuni | should i do the --force-yes at the end? |
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| 00:04.14 | cusco | hi |
| 00:04.16 | themill | no, you should never need that |
| 00:04.26 | cusco | what isthat tool that allows youto access google services via cli? |
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| 00:06.49 | Uuni | http://paste.debian.net//227249/ |
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| 00:08.56 | tharkun | What is the command that fetches the fqdn of a machine? |
| 00:09.16 | jagginess | tharkun, ? |
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| 00:09.31 | jagginess | tharkun, thats not a real problem |
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| 00:09.42 | zjhxmjl | hi,how to count the times of one user using the "su" command? |
| 00:09.55 | tharkun | jagginess: but it is a question |
| 00:10.02 | cusco | zjhxmjl: check auth.log |
| 00:10.16 | Sjors | tharkun: hostname --fqdn |
| 00:10.29 | tharkun | Sjors: yesss, Thanks |
| 00:11.41 | zjhxmjl | cusco:thanks |
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| 00:12.02 | themill | Uuni: dpkg -r --force-depends phonon-backend-xine phonon; apt-get -f install |
| 00:12.08 | Lichtbeisser | Hello, I have a problem booting a debian (lenny) machine, getting stuck on "waiting for root file system". I use grub 2 and have three kernels (2.6.32-5, 2.6.30-1, 2.6.26-2) available. I looked up the uuids using "ls /dev/disk/by-uuid -al", but none of them works better than the preconfigured one (which is different from them alltogether). |
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| 00:17.07 | Lichtbeisser | (One addition: the desired root system is recognized by grub2's tab completion and does not appear to be damaged there.) |
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| 00:18.56 | themill | Lichtbeisser: is your root currently set to /dev/hdXY or /dev/sdXY or something else? |
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| 00:21.10 | Lichtbeisser | themill: where should it be set like this? |
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| 00:23.18 | Lichtbeisser | (as far as I understand it, the system does not get to read /etc/fstab) |
| 00:27.20 | jagginess | Lichtbeisser, try boot-repair iso |
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| 00:29.31 | Lichtbeisser | jagginess: I am afraid, the only bootable device available to me would be the hard drives. |
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| 00:30.03 | jagginess | Lichtbeisser, then try a usb stick or usb cd-rom external. |
| 00:30.40 | Lichtbeisser | even if I cannot boot from them? |
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| 00:31.33 | Uuni | themill, http://paste.debian.net/227252/ |
| 00:31.42 | jagginess | Lichtbeisser, well if your motherboard PC is made within the last decade, likely you can boot from usb |
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| 00:32.08 | themill | Uuni: ugh. what does "aptitude -f install" want to do? |
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| 00:33.01 | Lichtbeisser | jagginess: I am afraid, it isn't |
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| 00:34.54 | Lichtbeisser | (at least, I am rather certain, I cannot boot from usb) |
| 00:34.58 | Uuni | themill, http://paste.debian.net/227253/ |
| 00:36.39 | themill | Uuni: that's not the command I suggested |
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| 00:36.53 | Uuni | it isnt? |
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| 00:37.46 | Uuni | themill, http://paste.debian.net/227254/ |
| 00:39.03 | themill | Uuni: I think at this stage it's best to accept that solution and try to finish the upgrade to wheezy. At the end of the upgrade, you can install kde again. |
| 00:39.27 | Uuni | i personally dont like kde haha |
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| 00:41.06 | Armand | Uuni, did you install something from "testing" ? |
| 00:41.58 | Uuni | i dont know |
| 00:42.05 | Uuni | ah wtf |
| 00:42.10 | Uuni | box on a blue background |
| 00:42.20 | Uuni | do i stop the kdm demon? |
| 00:42.37 | themill | Uuni: are you logged in through kdm at the moment? |
| 00:43.20 | Uuni | i dont know |
| 00:43.24 | Uuni | ah yeah |
| 00:43.26 | Uuni | i am |
| 00:44.09 | themill | so restarting kdm would be a very bad move. In fact, the release notes tell you not to try upgrading while logged in like that... |
| 00:44.35 | Uuni | what |
| 00:44.39 | Uuni | so what do i do |
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| 00:47.55 | Uuni | hello, themill ? :) |
| 00:48.03 | themill | what do you think? |
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| 00:48.43 | Uuni | themill, i would say yes and get it over with |
| 00:48.49 | Uuni | but thats just me |
| 00:48.56 | Uuni | and i have no idea what would hapen afterwards |
| 00:49.00 | themill | [00:44] <themill> so restarting kdm would be a very bad move |
| 00:49.09 | Uuni | so i would say yes? |
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| 00:49.21 | themill | what question are you being asked? |
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| 00:50.07 | Uuni | themill, http://paste.debian.net/227255/ |
| 00:50.32 | woshty | does anyone know why there is an old broken duplicity still in testing? |
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| 00:50.46 | themill | Uuni: I know what it says... I want you to read it |
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| 00:50.49 | jagginess | lol |
| 00:51.04 | jagginess | woshty, then see if that bug is reported |
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| 00:51.37 | Uuni | so i say no? |
| 00:51.39 | Uuni | i read it |
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| 00:53.09 | woshty | jagginess: versions frozen already? only bugfixes? |
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| 00:56.16 | Uuni | themill, Current status: 0 broken [-37], 960 updates [-470]. |
| 00:56.21 | Uuni | what do i do now |
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| 00:56.40 | themill | Uuni: "apt-get dist-upgrade" |
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| 00:57.27 | Uuni | why does it take so long to read changelogs |
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| 00:58.06 | Lichtbeisser | I solved the problem myself by using a non-uuid-reference in the linux command during boot. (though I am very certain, that I tried this before) Thank you very much fro your help nontheless |
| 00:59.30 | jagginess | Lichtbeisser, you're probably not loading the uuid support module.. but glad it worked out for you |
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| 01:00.48 | jagginess | bb |
| 01:01.12 | Uuni | themill, are there any graphical differences between squeeze and wheezy |
| 01:01.21 | Uuni | also is wheezy testing |
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| 01:01.30 | themill | a few. yes. |
| 01:01.36 | Uuni | like |
| 01:01.41 | Uuni | anything ill notice |
| 01:01.49 | Uuni | instantly |
| 01:01.59 | themill | you'll see in a bit... |
| 01:02.08 | Uuni | i think im in the middle of finishing it |
| 01:02.14 | Uuni | like i dont think ill hav eto anything else |
| 01:02.23 | themill | Uuni: you need to "aptitude install kde-standard kdm" before you're finished |
| 01:02.46 | Uuni | what if i dont want kdm |
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| 01:03.05 | themill | you can install gdm if you want. Up to you. |
| 01:03.07 | Uuni | i was only trying it out to be honest |
| 01:03.23 | Uuni | do i have to restart my computer to finish this themill |
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| 01:04.03 | themill | make sure you've installed a display manager (like kdm or gdm3) and whatever desktop you want (kde-standard, gnome, xfce,...) before doing so |
| 01:04.23 | Uuni | awright |
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| 01:05.36 | LVLAaron | What's the proper way to mount an NFS export on my workstation so that my user account has full rw access to it? |
| 01:05.46 | LVLAaron | mount as root and then chown to my user? |
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| 01:22.04 | Innocentus | so there is a vserver happily running with debian |
| 01:22.19 | Innocentus | but now imagine the whole thing need to be reformatted |
| 01:22.29 | Innocentus | is there a way to do this remotely? |
| 01:22.50 | Innocentus | there could be a thin vm layer which allows to shh to it |
| 01:22.56 | Innocentus | but what happens if the vm fails, too? |
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| 01:23.55 | nvz | I wish I knew what was going on with this vnc... for whatever reason drag-drop doesn't work among other things.. it never even puts the + up on the cursor.. |
| 01:24.50 | nvz | its not like I'm trying to drag things to the host os.. I'm trying to drag crap from one window in the vnc to another in the same app and somehow or another its preventing me from doing that |
| 01:25.55 | nvz | its really annoying cause it causes me to have to recreate these windows anytime I wanna change em rather than being able to drop new stuff in em |
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| 01:27.56 | Innocentus | nvz: vnc on linux or on windows? |
| 01:28.27 | nvz | Innocentus: the server is debian, the client is parted magic running pxe booted off the server.. so both are linux |
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| 01:29.20 | Tau | hi. is it possible to identify as root through a pipe process to bash? |
| 01:29.28 | Uuni | themill, what encoding should i use |
| 01:29.34 | Uuni | on console |
| 01:29.44 | Tau | so, i have a program that is sending/receiving stuff to a bash process i want to identify as root. |
| 01:29.50 | nvz | Innocentus: I got the viewer full-screen to try avoid any confusion.. yet all sorts of mouse gestures like dragging and dropping fail to work at all |
| 01:29.52 | Uuni | whoa |
| 01:29.53 | Uuni | Tau |
| 01:30.03 | Uuni | is that the tau from |
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| 01:30.10 | Tau | uuni it says i cant identify as root since there is no tty present. |
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| 01:30.15 | Tau | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:30.18 | Tau | i remember your nick. |
| 01:30.22 | Tau | you disappeared. |
| 01:30.26 | Uuni | im sorry |
| 01:30.41 | Uuni | i started using xchat and forgot about the channel |
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| 01:30.47 | Tau | no worries. |
| 01:30.50 | Tau | i told you again. |
| 01:30.54 | Tau | on private. |
| 01:31.11 | Innocentus | Tau: sudo? |
| 01:31.22 | Tau | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:31.30 | Innocentus | Tau: what doesn't work when using it |
| 01:31.31 | Tau | but it still says it cant work without a tty. |
| 01:31.47 | Innocentus | Tau: what cannot work? sudo or the piping itself? |
| 01:31.49 | Tau | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:31.54 | Tau | as it happens with git. |
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| 01:32.07 | Tau | when i send git push upstream to the bash process it works fine. |
| 01:32.13 | Tau | it prompts a graphical window then i insert the password. |
| 01:32.21 | Tau | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:32.26 | Tau | doesnt work through a pipe. |
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| 01:34.46 | Uuni | themill, you there? |
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| 01:38.50 | Tau | oh |
| 01:38.52 | Tau | great. |
| 01:38.54 | Tau | i figured it out. |
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| 01:42.51 | nvz | yeah idk but I can't drag and drop any selection inside this vncviewer.. if I run nautilus, I can't move icons on the desktop, I can't drag a file into a folder.. they always just go back to where they were when I let go, and it doesnt even highlight a folder when I hold a file over it |
| 01:43.21 | nvz | its like the grab happens, but the vnc server stops paying attention while I'm holding something |
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| 01:44.06 | lkthomas | hey guys, does google auth token client exists in command line program ? |
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| 02:25.50 | NeedPermissions | Hey all. I am installing a secondary hard drive and I have it mounted and added to fstab, but it tells me I do not have permission(s) when I try to add files to the directory/mount point... I've been looking into the chmod command am confused as to when to I should use the umask option or just the standard "chmod u+r /dir" option... Any suggestions? |
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| 02:28.36 | zykotick9 | NeedPermissions: umask determines NEW files permissions, won't help will permission issues you're experiencing NOW |
| 02:28.37 | operhiem1 | NeedPermissions: My understanding is that you'll want u+rwr /mount/point |
| 02:28.45 | operhiem1 | **rwx |
| 02:29.01 | operhiem1 | er |
| 02:29.07 | operhiem1 | hang on that's a stupid answer, never mind |
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| 02:29.50 | operhiem1 | NeedPermissions: What is ls -ld /mount/point currently? |
| 02:30.16 | samba35 | i have 3 linux system and some time confused with hostname and ip and port so , is there any way to get login prompt with system name (and /or with uname -a) detail at ssh login prompt |
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| 02:32.54 | NeedPermissions | samba35: mount point is under the /mnt directory.. so path is "/mnt/2TBa" |
| 02:33.27 | samba35 | NeedPermissions, that operhiem1 |
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| 02:34.05 | dz2 | How can I change a specific byte in a binary file from a script? |
| 02:34.09 | operhiem1 | NeedPermissions: So what is the output of ls -ld /mnt/2TBa |
| 02:34.13 | NeedPermissions | zykotick9: what is considered a NEW file? I am copying files from my External hard drive to this secondary drive on the system.. |
| 02:34.52 | operhiem1 | NeedPermissions: I assume it's if you're creating a file on the filesystem. |
| 02:35.09 | operhiem1 | So copying a file that doesn't already exist would not be. |
| 02:35.18 | operhiem1 | Point is that umask does not change the permissions of existing files. |
| 02:35.56 | NeedPermissions | samba35: Ok... I have a friend that has one of those Raspberry Pi boxes, and he had to set the permissions (or did at least) using umask to hook up his external hard drive to it |
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| 02:36.28 | samba35 | ok |
| 02:36.32 | Arrowmaster | dz2: probably using xxd |
| 02:36.37 | NeedPermissions | operhiem1: Ok. That's what I figured.. creating something local. Just wanted to make sure I had the same idea, haha |
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| 02:38.39 | mcurran | Can anyone tell me which files I can edit for allowing the login screen to allow superuser logins? |
| 02:39.12 | un214 | how did you block it? |
| 02:39.23 | dvs | guesses it's a dm |
| 02:39.28 | un214 | can you su to root? |
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| 02:45.55 | henson | I have an older piece of software that's looking for /dev/mixer. I have alsa-lib and pulseaudio installed -- any guess what I'm missing? |
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| 02:46.13 | un214 | /dev/mixer is midi |
| 02:46.23 | henson | oh. |
| 02:47.10 | Theodoros | Quick question regarding debian versioning Which of the following is considered the newer version? 1.0 or 1.0~x |
| 02:47.35 | un214 | I have snd-mixer installed (CPU midi emulation) |
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| 02:53.42 | rippershank | sup |
| 02:54.31 | un214 | freenode, now try asking a better question |
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| 03:08.01 | edward | does anyone know the syntax for a debian package Depends: statement where a package needs to be between two versions? |
| 03:08.05 | edward | php5 (>= 5.1 ???? <= 5.4) |
| 03:08.12 | edward | tfm only states how to do a single comparison and I can't find an example |
| 03:08.32 | un214 | is it two depends lines? |
| 03:09.08 | edward | un214: like Depends: php5 (>= 5.1), php5 (<= 5.3) ? I'll try that |
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| 03:15.56 | dvs | yeah, right |
| 03:16.01 | mcurran | Nobody can tell me the package for the LMDE login screen? |
| 03:16.02 | mcurran | I've been asking for days,... |
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| 03:19.45 | Armand | mcurran, LMDE.. as in, Linux Mint ? |
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| 03:22.02 | edward | un214: no complaints from dpkg-deb. thanks :) |
| 03:22.35 | Armand | Oh well, can't be *that* important... |
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| 03:33.02 | Armand | dvs, "yeah, right"... is that for "richardbranson" using a pi, or a BT internet service? :P |
| 03:33.25 | dvs | not a Cray? |
| 03:33.45 | Armand | lol |
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| 03:42.08 | Yoshi1 | grrr tat bites i have to remove kde sdtandard if i wanna remove the kde instant messenger which i dont use? |
| 03:42.43 | Yoshi1 | can i safely remove meta packages without removing a whole lot of other programmes? |
| 03:42.58 | bobnormal | hi there. i am running 'debootstrap' on a non-debian system to generate a debian rootfs for execution with an LXC container (virtualized guest environment). i am encountering issues with the keyring supplied with my debootstrap version not validating the current tarballs. where do i get the latest keyring? where are trusted keys published? debian security FAQ does not answer. |
| 03:44.30 | bobnormal | deboostrap build target is 'squeeze'. |
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| 03:47.54 | homecable | any one know if that bug is geting fixed http://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi/bugreport.cgi?bug=10363 |
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| 03:50.46 | mcurran | Debian, Login Screen (GDM/MDM/KDM) or whatever you wanna call it: Can anyone help me identify the files necessary to allow root logins. |
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| 04:05.48 | abdulaziz_ | amigos buenas noches |
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| 04:06.11 | abdulaziz_ | instale debian y ahora no se que hacer |
| 04:06.16 | elkng | what is all that hoopla about license purity in debian ? |
| 04:06.22 | abdulaziz_ | no se donde esta la red |
| 04:06.28 | abdulaziz_ | ni el sonido |
| 04:06.30 | abdulaziz_ | ni nada |
| 04:07.31 | alfplayer | abdulaziz_: este canal es en inglés. #debian-es es en español |
| 04:07.31 | elkng | abdulaziz_: what is that ? |
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| 04:15.43 | martianixor | hi, guys two questions desktop related, testing, anyone knows of a globe like world clock app, 2) I have a little problem of no sound out of external speakers but in headphones |
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| 04:16.44 | martianixor | basically if someone can point me to a post on how sound works now a days ? |
| 04:16.55 | martianixor | it would be much appreciated |
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| 04:17.54 | martianixor | and globe like world clock app is more important for me :D |
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| 05:17.59 | Yoshi1 | anyone here use the kde? |
| 05:19.36 | mosno | Yoshi1, try #debian-kde |
| 05:19.43 | mosno | (i think that's what it's called) |
| 05:20.46 | Yoshi1 | thanks |
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| 05:24.54 | mah454 | In iptables : mangle table (POSTROUTING chain) to nat table (POSTROUTING chain) OR nat table (POSTROUTING chain to mangle table (POSTROUTING chain) ???? |
| 05:25.41 | well_laid_lawn | that looks like a sentence but I'm not sure... |
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| 05:59.49 | sweb | is any good tools on cli for generate bind zone and configuration files ? |
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| 06:01.07 | nevyn | sweb: I like vi... |
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| 06:02.22 | sweb | nevyn: i know about vi, vim or nano i need tools for bind zone file generator |
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| 06:02.57 | nevyn | What are you generating it from? |
| 06:03.03 | nevyn | how would such a generator work? |
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| 06:03.38 | nevyn | when the entire contents of a bind zonefile are site local configuration. |
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| 06:04.56 | sweb | nevyn: bind have many configuration and security settings if a program generate all zone file and configure bind so we have a simple and good solution that who one is newbie on bind |
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| 06:05.58 | nevyn | sweb: have a look at an ip planning application |
| 06:06.06 | nevyn | ipplan but there are others. |
| 06:06.17 | nevyn | they do vlan, ip/subnet and bind/dhcp config |
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| 06:06.49 | sweb | php4 0_o ... |
| 06:07.08 | sweb | i found power dns ... lets check it |
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| 06:32.06 | Cronoh | hi let me know if there is a more appropriate channel, i am looking for suggestions for unmanaged vps hosting provider? need a location in west or central usa, would prefer one that allows me to use debian squeeze, and comes with some bandwidth |
| 06:32.43 | Cronoh | im using rackspace now which works great but the price is a little much once i start using a lot of bandwidth |
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| 06:37.49 | TestModule | how do i DD a disk but only pull the space with partitions? |
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| 06:38.45 | cantido | TestModule: work out where the partitions end from the partition table |
| 06:38.57 | cantido | TestModule: or save the partition table and dd each of the partitons |
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| 06:40.34 | jagginess | dd a disk? |
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| 06:41.51 | cantido | Cronoh: as the price goes down so does the quality of service, I don't think rackspace too expensive.. trying to get stock debian running there is a bit annoying if you happen to have an old vm though :/ |
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| 06:43.33 | Cronoh | well i got it working how i like it on rackspace which is nice so maybe i'll stay there, i'm just worried about the bandwidth adding up since it includes no bandwidth and its nearly $1 per gig |
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| 06:44.07 | cantido | yeah, they work like a budget airline |
| 06:44.08 | zatix | hello |
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| 06:44.49 | cantido | if you go for a provider that gives you inclusive traffic they'll get pissed when you actually try to use it though |
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| 06:45.10 | zatix | yesterday I did an update to my debian testing an many things are broken :( for instance I can not connect to any local service, I can not do ping 127.0.0.1, ssh, connect to mysql server... all the services are running and I can connect to the internet but not to these local services, any idea? |
| 06:45.18 | cantido | wonders how much he pays a month because of cron-apt |
| 06:45.31 | cantido | zatix: welcome to testing |
| 06:45.32 | zinx | zatix: /sbin/ifconfig lo |
| 06:46.15 | zatix | zinx: thanks dude |
| 06:46.27 | zatix | I had no 127.0.0.1 ip, I don't know why |
| 06:46.39 | zinx | zatix: /etc/network/interfaces probably got messed up somehow |
| 06:46.44 | zinx | zatix: or ifupdown in general |
| 06:46.53 | zatix | cantido: I had to install testing because of hardware issues |
| 06:46.57 | zinx | zatix: as someone else said.. welcome to testing ;) |
| 06:46.58 | cantido | lo might be missing auto |
| 06:47.14 | zatix | and kernel 3.7 |
| 06:47.30 | cantido | 3.7 is in experimental though.. not testing |
| 06:48.09 | zatix | yes, I had to put this package because the machine was crashing and I read that this fixed the issue, 3.7 is the stable release of the kernel though |
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| 06:48.40 | cantido | upstream linux stable is a bit different to debian stable ;) |
| 06:48.42 | zatix | omg I lost 7h of work because of this |
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| 06:48.48 | zatix | fixed in 1 min |
| 06:48.53 | zatix | thanks :) |
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| 06:51.11 | zatix | even my kde was crashing |
| 06:51.18 | zatix | I bet is because of this also.. |
| 06:51.54 | cantido | zatix: was lo missing from your /etc/network/interfaces? |
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| 06:52.05 | cantido | you'll need to fix that else it'll be broken on reboot |
| 06:52.26 | zatix | I have an auto lo, looks the same as I always had it |
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| 06:53.03 | nighthawknz | hello |
| 06:53.11 | nighthawknz | anyone got experience with hyperv |
| 06:53.11 | zatix | I only have these three lines: auto lo iface lo inet loopback nameserver 8.8.8.8 |
| 06:53.44 | wols_ | !tell nighthawknz about anyone |
| 06:54.19 | tralala | nighthawknz, as in running debian on a hyperv host? |
| 06:54.33 | Cronoh | is it normal that my apache2 goes to like 15-35% cpu on normal page requests that hit the database a few times ? on rackspace 512mb pc with 1 vCPU |
| 06:55.07 | nighthawknz | im asking a generic hyperv question - im having problems booting after compiling kernel |
| 06:55.09 | cantido | Cronoh: that would depend on what the page requests do |
| 06:55.35 | tralala | Cronoh, and if the database is on the same machine |
| 06:55.47 | cantido | nighthawknz: you should just ask the question and see if anyone helps instead of fishing for people that might know and then asking the question |
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| 06:56.02 | nighthawknz | it hangs and cpu has stalled |
| 06:56.11 | nighthawknz | starts up and hangs |
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| 06:56.31 | nighthawknz | ive setup lvm on root partition and initrd with lvm2create_initrd |
| 06:56.32 | Cronoh | cantido: Well, i have some pages which do pdf generation, a large one of those can nearly kill the thing (100% cpu for 30 seconds lol), im using symfony2 framework for a php application, on pages that do not do anything special like pdf generation, it goes up to 35-40% cpu sometimes, as i hit F5 in one window and watch htop on the other |
| 06:57.01 | Cronoh | tralala: The database is on the same machine but the mysql process doesnt seem to take any of the cpu, only apache |
| 06:57.17 | Leoneof | hello, i'm trying to use irc with programs like konversation, xchat, and yahoo messenger with pidgin but they are never working except if i add dns 8.8.8.8 in my connection, but in Windows everything is ok without these dns, any idea? |
| 06:57.34 | cantido | Cronoh: I haven't touched php in ages, but there is a profiler IIRC |
| 06:57.44 | cantido | Cronoh: that would be the only way to see what it's actually doing |
| 06:58.02 | Cronoh | cantido: Hmm alright, thank you for the info and your time |
| 06:58.09 | trist4n | oh! Cronoh! how are you generating the pdf. |
| 06:58.25 | Cronoh | trist4n: Using php exec() to run wkhtmltopdf |
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| 06:58.31 | trist4n | ah. that thing is balls |
| 06:58.36 | trist4n | do you have problems with the font rendering if you zoom in really close. |
| 06:58.39 | trist4n | mine has weird spacing |
| 06:58.56 | Leoneof | hello? |
| 06:59.03 | trist4n | im in the process of moving that side of things over to phantomjs |
| 06:59.10 | cantido | Leoneof: it sounds like your dns is broken |
| 06:59.19 | Cronoh | trist4n: Checking, I saw some weird things when i was generating on windows butit has been consistent since i moved it to my debian box |
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| 06:59.40 | trist4n | ah nice! mine is basically only if you zoom in ridiculous close, ie probably not soemthing youd see if it was printed. |
| 06:59.58 | trist4n | but i also had problems with teh slows. remember wkhtmltopdf is a full qt webkit browser without a head |
| 07:00.03 | Cronoh | trist4n: I am using a webfont also that I added in the css, when I zoom mine looks even nicer, good ol webfont |
| 07:00.06 | Leoneof | cantido: i've been chatting here about it yesterday, but irc with port 6667 is fine, but can't connect with 7000 |
| 07:00.19 | trist4n | i've made the `generate report` button push it off to a database, and a perl script to run over the database and do the wkhtmltopdf |
| 07:00.29 | trist4n | i found it too heavy to run the way you are saying |
| 07:00.45 | cantido | trist4n: does it use ghostscript to do some of the pdf'ing process? that stuff seems to have weird issues |
| 07:00.55 | Cronoh | yeah i might have to, right now i had to limit the size of reports because too large and one person can own the server, atleast the basic server i'm using now |
| 07:00.57 | trist4n | i believe it does, yes |
| 07:01.13 | trist4n | i've done some tests and had mostly success, but it might bite me later |
| 07:01.14 | trist4n | who knows |
| 07:01.32 | Cronoh | is there other stuff that generates pdf's with lower usage? I got wkhtmltopdf because from myr esearch people said it was the fastest, and its owning my cpu on my VPS |
| 07:01.53 | cantido | Leoneof: well, dns is only used to resolve names to ip addresses.. so if changing the dns works it suggests that your default dns server is broken |
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| 07:02.48 | Leoneof | cantido: ok, but why it's not "broken" with Windows? :/ |
| 07:03.09 | trist4n | well you could i guess try phantomjs but your mileage may vary |
| 07:03.12 | trist4n | its just an annoying process to do. |
| 07:03.17 | cantido | Leoneof: How would I know? all I know is what you said, changing the dns server makes it work |
| 07:03.18 | trist4n | emulating a stupid webkit browser |
| 07:03.31 | trist4n | if you arent using advanced html and css, you might want to port it into a system that doesnt use a browser |
| 07:03.34 | trist4n | and can directly draw a pdf. |
| 07:03.48 | Leoneof | cantido: you should know :P |
| 07:03.53 | dmbaturin | There's still no way to rollback an upgrade, right? |
| 07:04.02 | Cronoh | im using backround images and tables and nice font styling mostly |
| 07:04.21 | cantido | Leoneof: try using the ip address of the server you want to connect to and see if that works |
| 07:04.24 | Cronoh | cantido: Maybe your windows hosts file has it, which would bypass dns |
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| 07:04.38 | Cronoh | sorry that was for Leoneof |
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| 07:06.27 | TestModule | Is there a flag for DD that legs you get just the partitions on a drive, but both? |
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| 07:07.37 | cantido | TestModule: dd doesn't know what partitions are, so no |
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| 07:11.26 | Leoneof | Cronoh: hosts file? |
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| 07:16.31 | TestModule | Not really cantido : https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Disk_Cloning#Cloning_a_partition |
| 07:16.43 | TestModule | Try again |
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| 07:22.59 | cantido | TestModule: thats because you give it the partition node |
| 07:23.02 | cantido | TestModule: not the disk |
| 07:23.09 | cantido | dd still doesnt know what partitions are |
| 07:23.42 | TestModule | You told me no, but the answer is yes. |
| 07:24.02 | cantido | TestModule: you said "just the partitions" |
| 07:24.13 | cantido | I told you before that you could dd each partition |
| 07:24.37 | TestModule | How do i merge them into the same file |
| 07:24.44 | cantido | If you want an image of the disk but only the part with partitions on, dd can't do that unless you know where the partitions end |
| 07:24.56 | cantido | TestModule: you wont get the partition table with what you are doing |
| 07:25.02 | cantido | so it will be useless |
| 07:25.15 | cantido | instead of being a smartass you might want to try actually reading |
| 07:25.27 | TestModule | did |
| 07:25.32 | TestModule | nothing will do exactly what i want |
| 07:25.42 | TestModule | prob going to checkout github |
| 07:26.17 | cantido | you can use fdisk or whatever to workout where the partitions actually end (not sure why you have a disk that has free space) and tell dd not to read more than that |
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| 07:26.40 | TestModule | 2013, shouldn't be required |
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| 07:26.59 | cantido | and? |
| 07:27.17 | cantido | dd isn't a "disk" tool like you think it is.. it works with block devices |
| 07:28.08 | TestModule | Cool, just going to whip it up in Python |
| 07:28.11 | TestModule | better that way |
| 07:28.14 | TestModule | more 2013 |
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| 07:29.06 | cantido | So you can write a tool but can't read the man page for dd, makes sense |
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| 07:31.58 | TestModule | No, I can, as I personally sent DDG the !bang syntax for !man |
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| 07:32.09 | TestModule | The time required though, is the same |
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| 07:32.21 | TestModule | One i can repeat via almost every OS |
| 07:32.25 | TestModule | The other I cannot. |
| 07:32.40 | TestModule | So please, cling to your outdated sysadmin techniques. |
| 07:33.16 | cantido | There is probably a tool that can do what you want without having to work out where your partitions end manually.. you were asking about "dd" |
| 07:33.57 | TestModule | Yes, but i don't need deps |
| 07:34.06 | TestModule | Python std lib is HUGE |
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| 07:43.18 | cantido | You could write a shell script to call fdisk, get the end of the partitions and then call dd with the correct amount to copy.. but that would probably require some reading of manpages so I guess it's above your abilities.. |
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| 07:44.21 | wols_ | cantido: why? dd if=/dev/sda1 isn't complicated... |
| 07:44.22 | TestModule | I live in the manpages |
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| 07:44.35 | TestModule | but often the local tools aren't very 2013 friendly |
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| 07:44.45 | TestModule | and/or Python / Ruby do them better |
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| 07:45.54 | cantido | wols_: it sounds like he wants the partition table + that actual partitions |
| 07:46.17 | cantido | wols_: and for some reason getting the whole disk isn't what he wants (slack space?) |
| 07:47.06 | wols_ | as I said: if you use if=/dev/sda1 it will copy exactly this partition and nothing else. no manually calculating partition endings |
| 07:47.41 | cantido | wols_: yes, but he was saying "only the partitions" not "only the partition" |
| 07:47.59 | TestModule | if i dd the entire thing |
| 07:48.02 | TestModule | the partitions are intact |
| 07:48.10 | TestModule | but the gigs of free space are also copied |
| 07:48.15 | TestModule | errr, unallocated space |
| 07:48.27 | cantido | thats what I thought |
| 07:48.41 | cantido | and no, dd can't do that unless you tell it how much you want from the block device for the disk |
| 07:48.49 | cantido | as it has no idea what a partition table is |
| 07:48.54 | TestModule | i could do them differently (the partitions one by one), but then that wouldn't be easy for the end user |
| 07:48.59 | TestModule | who can only input one image file |
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| 07:49.55 | wols_ | cantido: no, what he means is if his partition is 10GB and he has 5GB free on the filesystem, he doesn't want to copy the 5GB free space. |
| 07:50.03 | wols_ | for things like this: partimage or simply clonezilla |
| 07:50.09 | TestModule | Yes-^ |
| 07:50.24 | TestModule | but that data isn't partitioned (the free space) |
| 07:50.29 | cantido | wols_: dd can't do that either then, so it still stands |
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| 07:50.39 | cantido | wols_: but he just said that that isnt the case |
| 07:51.12 | TestModule | Now you guys are confusing me. I have a fat16 64MB part, and an ext4 1.5GB part |
| 07:51.15 | wols_ | TestModule: you need to learn what partitioned means then |
| 07:51.18 | TestModule | and 5.86 free unalocated space |
| 07:51.31 | cantido | TestModule: on the disk or in a partition? |
| 07:51.45 | TestModule | There is no such thing as unallocated space on a partition |
| 07:51.50 | cantido | I.e. you have a filesystem with free space, or your parition table has a gap? |
| 07:51.53 | TestModule | I am using the correct terminology |
| 07:52.01 | TestModule | i have TWO filesystems |
| 07:52.07 | TestModule | one for each partition |
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| 07:53.09 | cantido | dd handles the block device, not any meta data on it.. so either way it doesn't matter |
| 07:53.58 | TestModule | Seems to work just fine on a single. Sorry if no-one has effectively scripted it for heavy lifting |
| 07:54.11 | TestModule | It has only been around forever |
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| 07:55.32 | cantido | TestModule: I don't think it's a common issue to be honest, most people don't have unused areas on their disks |
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| 07:55.52 | cantido | and the unix way of thinking is "lots of little tools that you join together" |
| 07:55.56 | elkng | but how can debian be installed if bios on mobo is not opensourced and programm in HDD's controller not opensourced ? |
| 07:56.41 | wols_ | elkng: both have a standardized api, that's how |
| 07:56.58 | TestModule | Right, but then where is the tool to automatically give me the ending blocks |
| 07:57.06 | TestModule | as raw output |
| 07:57.22 | cantido | fdisk or sfdisk I would guess |
| 07:57.44 | TestModule | See, nm. Doing it in Py where these can be variables |
| 07:57.45 | TestModule | makes more sense that way |
| 07:57.49 | TestModule | with raw_input |
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| 07:58.03 | cantido | bash has variables.. and arrays! woo |
| 07:58.04 | TestModule | Can't wait til' Linux is just a python shell |
| 07:58.19 | cantido | Linux is a kernel, so you'll be waiting a long time |
| 07:58.25 | TestModule | the tools |
| 07:58.30 | TestModule | Which is slowly happening, FYI |
| 07:58.34 | elkng | wols_: but how with all its purity be installed on closed source hardware ? |
| 07:58.41 | the-croupier | TestModule, what percentage of linux is python? |
| 07:58.52 | TestModule | Have you looked at Ubuntu lately? |
| 07:58.53 | TestModule | E17? |
| 07:59.01 | cantido | elkng: you can get opensource bios etc |
| 07:59.04 | TestModule | A ton |
| 07:59.09 | the-croupier | you know you are in debian right? |
| 07:59.11 | TestModule | apt-url |
| 07:59.12 | the-croupier | :) |
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| 07:59.26 | cantido | elkng: you can get a fully opensource machine if you want, but the hardware to run it will cost you several thousand dollars and it's slow |
| 07:59.35 | TestModule | yeh, because that's the image i'm dding, and because i have to fix one of the stupid dep bugs in wheezy |
| 07:59.42 | TestModule | that is pwning arm hardware FYI |
| 08:00.00 | TestModule | because unlike ubuntu, debian doesn't consider xbitmap a required dep |
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| 08:00.09 | TestModule | for many pkgs |
| 08:00.26 | the-croupier | TestModule, you have link to this deb |
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| 08:00.37 | TestModule | ? |
| 08:00.42 | TestModule | X11? Rofl |
| 08:00.47 | cantido | TestModule: the deb you are moaning about |
| 08:01.06 | TestModule | It's just a glitch with what debian considers required and not |
| 08:01.07 | the-croupier | what cantido said ;) |
| 08:01.20 | TestModule | xbitmap should be REQUIRED, period, for X11 meta |
| 08:01.31 | cantido | This is xbitmap that is the little prog for drawing little bitmaps right? |
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| 08:01.37 | cantido | the one in x11-apps? |
| 08:01.37 | TestModule | Anyone who knows anything about SoC GPUs will agree. |
| 08:01.53 | cantido | TestModule: what the hell are you going on about? |
| 08:01.54 | TestModule | It flags an error for ahhh |
| 08:02.02 | TestModule | vmar2 or something |
| 08:02.05 | TestModule | if you don't have it |
| 08:02.23 | the-croupier | i am having a problem with my screen.... and resolution... :( something is not going right with the vga i think... could be x11 too :( |
| 08:02.40 | cantido | the-croupier: look in your xorg log |
| 08:03.06 | the-croupier | cantido, did already ...:( could not figure it out... exactly :( prob im missing something :( |
| 08:03.25 | cantido | the-croupier: what is the exact issue? People can only help if you ask |
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| 08:04.06 | TestModule | "Cannot convert string "vlines2" to type Pixmap" |
| 08:04.08 | the-croupier | cantido, let me get it figure it out a little by myself ... like 15mins... ;) i will ;) |
| 08:04.16 | TestModule | That's why you need xbitmap |
| 08:04.23 | cantido | TestModule: for the record, I have some systems with very weird "SoC GPUs" and I've not have much issue with x11 |
| 08:04.38 | cantido | TestModule: it uses xbitmap to do that? |
| 08:04.52 | TestModule | Coolstorybro. Yes. |
| 08:05.07 | TestModule | It's a known issue. |
| 08:05.09 | the-croupier | cantido, i see this at the bottom of the file : (II) VESA(0): Setting up VESA Mode 0x118 (1024x768) |
| 08:05.29 | TestModule | That only seems to happen on Ubuntu < 10 and Deb ALL |
| 08:05.32 | cantido | ok, so you're talking about xbitmaps |
| 08:05.46 | cantido | if you think some packages should depend on it report it as a bug |
| 08:05.47 | TestModule | It won't load correctly without it |
| 08:05.52 | TestModule | Did |
| 08:05.53 | the-croupier | even though the monitor supports 1900 something... and let me check what vga i have :) |
| 08:05.55 | TestModule | at least four times |
| 08:06.00 | cantido | I'm not sure how any of that is related to "SoC GPUs" |
| 08:06.03 | TestModule | now i'm just correcting it my way |
| 08:06.11 | cantido | TestModule: do you have the BTS numbers? |
| 08:06.24 | TestModule | it's not really required otherwise, there are bs fixes that deb smashed in otherwise, so did X |
| 08:06.46 | TestModule | but they don't apply in many cases where you can't get to the non-compiled parts but the libs and kernel drivers for the gpu are still there |
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| 08:06.53 | TestModule | it's a non-normal case use |
| 08:06.57 | cantido | the-croupier: mmm I'm not sure but that sounds like it's using the VESA driver |
| 08:07.21 | TestModule | mostly Mali200/400/etc, PowerVR, etc SoC typical GPUs |
| 08:07.52 | cantido | TestModule: "This package contains the base X bitmaps, which are used in many legacy X clients." |
| 08:08.00 | cantido | how does that relate to GPU drivers? |
| 08:08.22 | TestModule | http://unixforum.org/index.php?showtopic=76724 |
| 08:08.25 | the-croupier | i know... i am starting to believe it is not loading the correct drivers :( |
| 08:08.41 | cantido | the-croupier: the vesa driver being used would explain resolution issues |
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| 08:09.29 | the-croupier | cantido, yeah,,... i think i need to find out what would be the best for: Intel Corporation Sandy Bridge Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 09) |
| 08:09.30 | cantido | TestModule: it's all in Russian or something.. but the output pasted there suggests that someone is loading a X client that wants those bitmaps.. like xterm |
| 08:09.48 | cantido | the-croupier: there is an intel driver .. check you have it installed |
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| 08:10.16 | cantido | the-croupier: most of the time all of the drivers get installed, but if you cherrypicked packages you might not have the intel driver installed |
| 08:10.17 | the-croupier | cantido, hm... let me check... |
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| 08:10.30 | the-croupier | how would i find out? |
| 08:10.47 | cantido | xserver-xorg-video-intel is probably what you want |
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| 08:11.00 | cantido | unless it's called something else (I'm running unstable) |
| 08:12.02 | the-croupier | cantido, let me try ;) ... also...if i xorg/modules/extensions/libextmod.so is missing... how can one update it? |
| 08:12.17 | cantido | I have no idea what that does ;) |
| 08:12.34 | cantido | but try to get a real driver loading first, that will make things a lot better instantly |
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| 08:13.00 | the-croupier | cantido, it looks like i do have that driver installed |
| 08:13.18 | cantido | the-croupier: ok, check the xorg log and see what its doing |
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| 08:13.29 | cantido | it might say something about not loading the driver because of xyz.. |
| 08:13.34 | cantido | even better, paste it somewhere |
| 08:13.42 | the-croupier | cantido, let me check... |
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| 08:14.19 | Leoneof | anyone know how to disable nm, and how to enter ip/dns/...etc manually in the terminal? |
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| 08:15.06 | cantido | Leoneof: the kde widget for NM has a toggle to disable it |
| 08:15.26 | cantido | you could stop network manager via /etc/init.d/networkmanager I guess |
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| 08:16.23 | the-croupier | cantido, http://pastebin.com/8UAHq1Ke |
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| 08:17.53 | the-croupier | is it because it is loading 3 drivers? or i am not seeing something :( |
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| 08:18.35 | the-croupier | cantido, lsmod i have this: video 17445 1 i915 |
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| 08:18.53 | cantido | the-croupier: it does seem to be loading the intel driver, and then the vesa one |
| 08:19.02 | cantido | maybe you have a chip that isnt supported |
| 08:19.17 | the-croupier | cantido, how can i find that out? |
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| 08:19.32 | wols_ | the-croupier: lspci -nn |grep VGA |
| 08:19.32 | cantido | I always run unstable on desktop machines.. so I never usually have issues like that |
| 08:19.51 | elkng | debian was named in honor of "deby" and "yan" ? |
| 08:20.10 | elkng | husban and wifes creators of distributive ? |
| 08:20.18 | the-croupier | wols_, that what i pasted in the beginning i think: 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: Intel Corporation Sandy Bridge Integrated Graphics Controller [8086:0116] (rev 09) |
| 08:20.28 | cantido | elkng: it was started by a guy called ian with a wife called deb |
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| 08:20.57 | elkng | what distributive was started by mardok ? |
| 08:20.58 | wols_ | the-croupier: you want to run wheezy. xorg from squeeze is awful for sandy bridge onwards |
| 08:21.20 | wols_ | elkng: do you have a debian related question? #babylonian is over there -> |
| 08:21.33 | elkng | or he was "ian merdoc" ? |
| 08:21.44 | elkng | wols_: no one in #babylonian |
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| 08:21.57 | wols_ | elkng: please stay on topic |
| 08:22.04 | elkng | but there is #debian-offtopic |
| 08:22.09 | the-croupier | wols_, i see... :( i tried upgrading but something went wrong and i messed it up a little.. :( |
| 08:22.39 | the-croupier | so i didnt try again ... i cannot afford it till sunday :( |
| 08:22.44 | wols_ | the-croupier: what went wrong? and when did you install your debian? |
| 08:22.49 | elkng | wols_: isnt I asking about debian related stuff ? |
| 08:23.02 | wols_ | elkng: this is a debian support channel only |
| 08:23.13 | elkng | wols_: official ? |
| 08:23.19 | wols_ | yes official |
| 08:23.28 | the-croupier | wols_, it did not login to x anymore...and was just a black screen... had to livecd and goback... :) |
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| 08:30.43 | the-croupier | wols_, is it better to run an update upgrade in x or in terminal |
| 08:31.31 | elkng | will there be something special related to debian on "16 August" ? it should be debian's 20 years |
| 08:32.38 | wols_ | the-croupier: doesn't really matter |
| 08:32.50 | wols_ | the-croupier: and next time you get a black screen you don't need to reinstall :) |
| 08:33.02 | the-croupier | :( |
| 08:33.20 | the-croupier | yeah, i realised that the first time ;) i re-installed |
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| 08:35.50 | the-croupier | wols_, was it: aptitude update && upgrade-all right? |
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| 08:43.13 | wols_ | !tell the-croupier about squeeze->wheezy |
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| 08:48.43 | the-croupier | wols_, is there any recommended sources.list i can use? ... |
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| 08:49.35 | the-croupier | i am here reading at links: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianWheezy |
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| 08:50.18 | wols_ | the-croupier: you use only official debian ones and replace "squeeze" with "wheezy" as stated |
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| 08:50.21 | wols_ | !mirrors |
| 08:50.21 | dpkg | Debian mirror sites are listed at http://www.debian.org/mirror/list and ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt and http://deb.li/map ; ask me about <apt-spy>, <netselect-apt>, <http.debian.net>, <geo sources.list> and <debian mirror checker>. To make a mirror, see http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ ; see also <debmirror>, <apt-mirror>, <mirror size>. #debian-mirrors on irc.oftc.net. |
| 08:50.34 | nachos | are the nvidia drivers on linux finally fixed? |
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| 08:51.14 | the-croupier | nachos, hiya ;) |
| 08:51.21 | nachos | hello the-croupier |
| 08:51.41 | wols_ | fixed in what way? |
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| 08:53.09 | nachos | not crashing all the time |
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| 08:53.58 | nachos | like every half an hour X used to freeze |
| 08:54.04 | nachos | im hoping the 310.32 version works fine |
| 08:54.13 | wols_ | ,versions nvlidia-glx |
| 08:54.15 | judd | No package named 'nvlidia-glx' was found in i386. |
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| 08:54.19 | wols_ | ,versions nvidia-glx |
| 08:54.20 | judd | Package: nvidia-glx on i386 -- lenny/non-free: 173.14.09-5; squeeze-proposed-updates/non-free: 195.36.31-6squeeze1; squeeze/non-free: 195.36.31-6squeeze2; squeeze-backports/non-free: 295.59-1~bpo60+1; squeeze-backports/non-free: 295.59-1~bpo60+2; sid/non-free: 304.64-4; wheezy/non-free: 304.64-4; experimental/non-free: 313.18-1 |
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| 08:55.56 | the-croupier | wols_, shall i use it as http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/dists/wheezy/ and on sources.list is like this deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ wheezy ...wondering about the missing dists |
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| 08:58.00 | fishcooker | i want to make a box running without window desktop manager so after booting my apps running directly |
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| 08:58.39 | nachos | looks like X11 is stable... omg |
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| 08:59.48 | pythonsnake | is it okay to use wheezy for non mission critical small production server? |
| 09:00.24 | fishcooker | what do you mean nachos |
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| 09:33.24 | agiofws | helloo |
| 09:34.18 | agiofws | i have already a package named makehuman installed in my system but i am about to install a new one manually from a foo.deb do i have to uninstall the first package ? |
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| 09:35.38 | jelly | agiofws: there's no need to uninstall, if it really has the same name the previous version gets removed when a newer one is installed |
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| 09:37.06 | jelly | pythonsnake: if you can live without proper security support for the time being, and if you're experienced with fixing packaging issues, then yeah, it might just be the right time to try it |
| 09:37.35 | agiofws | jelly, its a separated deb file from google code ... i don't thing it will be replaced |
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| 09:37.45 | agiofws | makehuman-1.0a7-python27-amd64.deb |
| 09:37.46 | jelly | agiofws: I do. |
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| 09:43.37 | Pegasus_RPG | Hello. How can I build a Debian package of Samba4 stable (currently 4.0.1)? Following the instructions on this page fail: https://wiki.samba.org/index.php/Samba4/Debian |
| 09:44.56 | Pegasus_RPG | That is, how can I build one for Squeeze? |
| 09:46.33 | agiofws | jelly, root@ixus:/home/agiofws/makehumanAlpha# dpkg -i makehuman-1.0a7-python27-amd64.deb ? |
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| 09:50.04 | pythonsnake | jelly: thx |
| 09:51.33 | ChrisH | Pegasus_RPG: why not taking the one from repos? |
| 09:51.35 | ChrisH | ,v samba4 |
| 09:51.36 | judd | Package: samba4 on i386 -- sid: 4.0.0~beta2+dfsg1-3; wheezy: 4.0.0~beta2+dfsg1-3; experimental: 4.0.0+dfsg1-1 |
| 09:52.15 | agiofws | agiofws@ixus:~/makehumanAlpha$ makehuman |
| 09:52.15 | agiofws | ./makehuman: /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libc.so.6: version `GLIBC_2.14' not found (required by ./makehuman) |
| 09:52.23 | agiofws | can nayone please help me please ? |
| 09:52.23 | Pegasus_RPG | ChrisH: it's out of date |
| 09:52.44 | Pegasus_RPG | ChrisH: and it's not even available for Squeeze |
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| 09:54.53 | agiofws | how do i know which version of glibc i have ? |
| 09:55.02 | agiofws | /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libc.so.6: version `GLIBC_2.14' not found (required by ./makehuman) |
| 09:55.09 | Pegasus_RPG | agiofws: dpkg -l | grep 'glibc' |
| 09:55.50 | Pegasus_RPG | agiofws: err dpkg -l | grep 'libc-bin' |
| 09:57.28 | agiofws | agiofws@ixus:~/makehumanAlpha$ dpkg -l | grep 'libc-bin' |
| 09:57.28 | agiofws | ii libc-bin 2.13-37 amd64 Embedded GNU C Library: Binaries |
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| 09:58.08 | ChrisH | Pegasus_RPG: mixed up Squeeze and wheezy |
| 09:58.21 | themill | or just upgrade to wheezy at this stage |
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| 09:59.42 | agiofws | how can i upgrade my libc-bin to 2.14? |
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| 10:01.57 | themill | agiofws: you'd have to get libc6 and friends from experimental. I'm not sure if I'd recommend you doing that. |
| 10:02.35 | Pegasus_RPG | themill: were you talking to me about upgrading to Wheezy for Samba4? |
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| 10:03.28 | agiofws | you think it would break my system ? |
| 10:03.32 | themill | Pegasus_RPG: yes. If you're wanting to experiment with samba4 then wheezy would be a better basis to do so than squeeze. Wheezy is still pre-release, but then again, samba4 isn't exactly ready for prime time either. |
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| 10:04.16 | themill | agiofws: libc6 is one of those system components you don't want to screw up. I've heard a few people playing with that version of libc6 for use with steam. |
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| 10:05.02 | agiofws | ok themill and thank you and Pegasus_RPG |
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| 10:05.25 | Pegasus_RPG | themill: fair enough. (They do say on their homepage that 4.0.1 is current stable now, FWIW) |
| 10:05.55 | themill | Pegasus_RPG: in its time, windows 3.0 was current stable too. |
| 10:06.09 | Pegasus_RPG | haha point taken |
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| 10:07.37 | Pegasus_RPG | actually used Win 3.0 for a couple of years |
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| 10:08.07 | themill | Pegasus_RPG: perhaps I'm being unfair to samba4... but last I heard it still had some way to go before you'd want your business relying on it. |
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| 10:09.08 | Pegasus_RPG | That's exactly what I'm going for though. I was going to do my own MIT Kerberos and OpenLDAP for SSO but the lure of Windows Group Policy to manage my Windows machines is high |
| 10:09.28 | Pegasus_RPG | (And I'd like to do as much in Linux as possible) |
| 10:10.50 | themill | Asking #samba about it would probably get answers from a position of greater knowledge then |
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| 10:11.36 | Pegasus_RPG | I did and they recommended just installing Samba4 as the central store for everything |
| 10:12.07 | themill | heh |
| 10:12.22 | Pegasus_RPG | So I assume building my own S4 package on Wheezy instead of Squeeze should be a much smoother experience then? |
| 10:13.04 | themill | Pegasus_RPG: I don't know that enough changed between 4.0.0 and 4.0.1 to bother rebuilding a package. |
| 10:13.09 | Pegasus_RPG | A CVE |
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| 10:13.49 | Pegasus_RPG | And the fact that Wheezy's package is still one of the betas |
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| 10:15.17 | themill | Yeah, I guess if you're wanting to do ldap, then you'll want CVE-2013-0172 fixed. |
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| 10:15.55 | themill | updating the debian packaging to the newer version might make your life less painful in the long run though |
| 10:16.40 | Pegasus_RPG | How would I go about doing that? I'm all for less pain |
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| 10:17.10 | themill | !uupdate |
| 10:17.10 | dpkg | uupdate (in the <devscripts> package) upgrades a source code package from an upstream revision, or e.g. if the newest foo in debian is 1.2, and upstream is at 1.4: apt-get source foo; wget -nd http://foo.org/foo-1.4.tar.gz; cd foo-1.2; uupdate ../foo-1.4.tar.gz Ask me about <package recompile>. |
| 10:17.48 | themill | assuming that the package didn't change too much, then uupdate and recompile should be just about all that's needed |
| 10:18.03 | Pegasus_RPG | oh awesome |
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| 10:18.54 | Pegasus_RPG | THanks. How can I get it to build a package for another arch though? My build system is AMD64 and the target host is i686 |
| 10:19.22 | Pegasus_RPG | Or should I just do it on the target host? |
| 10:19.34 | Pegasus_RPG | (I'd rather not install all of the build stuff on the production machine) |
| 10:19.51 | themill | the simplest approach is to build in a chroot made with debootstrap |
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| 10:20.23 | themill | (I'd also suggest that it's no longer a production machine by the time you're experimenting with an AD controller through samba4!) |
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| 10:20.52 | Pegasus_RPG | ok, ok, "the machine that will be production" |
| 10:21.25 | wols_ | why i386 for a server Pegasus_RPG? |
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| 10:21.58 | Pegasus_RPG | wols_: because it's only going to be used for authentication and I have available hardware :) |
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| 10:25.22 | the-croupier | how can i find out... what firmware is used for Intel Corporation Centrino Wireless-N 1000 ... :( iwlwifi something...or is it supported somehow if using wheezy... |
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| 10:30.00 | themill | !iwlwifi |
| 10:30.00 | dpkg | The iwlwifi Linux kernel driver supports Intel 3945 ABG, 4965 AGN and several Intel 802.11n adapters (WiFi Link, Wireless-N, Advanced-N, Ultimate-N). Firmware is required, ask me about <non-free sources> and install the firmware-iwlwifi package to provide. Supported devices are listed at http://wiki.debian.org/iwlwifi . See also <iwlegacy>. |
| 10:30.04 | ChrisH | the-croupier: lsusb,lspci and google or check dmesg for complaints on missing firmware |
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| 10:30.28 | themill | the-croupier: ^^ check your pciid against the wiki (lspci -nn) |
| 10:30.30 | the-croupier | missing firmware? |
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| 10:37.51 | pythonsnake | is http://library.linode.com/web-servers/nginx/php-fastcgi/debian-6-squeeze good enough? |
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| 10:39.46 | TomyLobo | hi |
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| 10:40.11 | TomyLobo | what's the debian policy on -fPIC? |
| 10:40.19 | TomyLobo | on amd64 |
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| 10:41.23 | TomyLobo | for library packages that is |
| 10:41.28 | themill | TomyLobo: see policy §10.2 |
| 10:41.46 | TomyLobo | thanks |
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| 10:42.43 | TomyLobo | ok, in that case, the libcityhash0 package is broken, cause it doesnt employ that flag |
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| 10:43.50 | TomyLobo | and there's no README.debian to explain it |
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| 10:45.38 | jelly | sounds like a RC bug! |
| 10:45.53 | themill | (it's not in wheezy anyway) |
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| 10:46.14 | themill | TomyLobo: please file a bug. It looks like a package that doesn't have a lot of users so such things don't always get found |
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| 10:47.00 | TomyLobo | will do |
| 10:47.21 | TomyLobo | hah, no bugs reported, yeah right |
| 10:47.36 | themill | ,popcon libcityhash0 |
| 10:47.37 | judd | Popcon data for libcityhash0: inst: 3, vote: 1, old: 2, recent: 0, nofiles: 0 |
| 10:49.04 | ColHawk | On Gnome Classic (Gnome 3.4.2) on Wheezy, how to get the desktop icon on the left hand bottom part of the screen? This icon displays the background of the desktop screen. |
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| 10:54.40 | ColHawk | Found. |
| 10:54.41 | dokma | how do I capture the traffic only in one direction with tcpdump? can't see anything obvious in the manual... |
| 10:55.53 | ChrisH | dokma: tried src or from keyword? |
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| 10:56.09 | dokma | let me try that |
| 10:56.15 | dokma | I was expecting a switch... |
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| 10:57.21 | ChrisH | man pcap-filter |
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| 10:59.10 | dokma | ChrisH: no src or from but there is stuff like localhost.3307 > localhost.44034 |
| 10:59.19 | dokma | so I can distinguish them by this |
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| 11:02.29 | ChrisH | dokma: I do that in wireshark afterwards. tcpdump src localhost and src port 3307 |
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| 11:16.47 | the-croupier | after updating to wheezy i get open: 4743; closed: 19039; defer: 63; conflict: 125 ... every time i try to install something with aptitude install anything :( |
| 11:16.53 | the-croupier | has this happened to anyone else? |
| 11:17.52 | themill | the-croupier: have you actually done the upgrade to wheezy yet? |
| 11:18.14 | themill | (it doesn't sound like you have) |
| 11:19.03 | the-croupier | i have been getting this: 150 packages upgraded, 242 newly installed, 6 to remove and 1382 not upgraded. |
| 11:19.04 | the-croupier | Need to get 103 kB/190 MB of archives. After unpacking 217 MB will be used. |
| 11:19.04 | the-croupier | aptitude failed to find a solution to these dependencies. |
| 11:19.29 | themill | the-croupier: you'd be better off using apt-get dist-upgrade for squeeze->wheezy |
| 11:19.34 | themill | dpkg: tell the-croupier about squeeze->wheezy |
| 11:19.53 | jelly | How does one remove gnome(3) in wheezy? |
| 11:20.02 | the-croupier | ive been getting this as well... E: Could not perform immediate configuration on 'phonon-backend-vlc'. Please see man 5 apt.conf under APT::Immediate-Configure for details. (2) |
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| 11:20.25 | themill | the-croupier: dpkg -r --force-depends phonon; apt-get -f install |
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| 11:21.09 | UukGoblin | I'm trying to debug a broken wifi. My card shows up in ifconfig (as wlan0), but when I try to associate, it just keeps asking for a password. Logs looks something like this: http://paste.debian.net/227379/ |
| 11:21.13 | megha | is debian rolling release distro ? |
| 11:21.22 | megha | package* |
| 11:21.52 | themill | megha: considering no two people can agree what a rolling release is and the concept of rolling and release are mutually exclusive, the answer can be either yes or no. |
| 11:21.57 | UukGoblin | any clues on what I could do to figure out what's wrong? |
| 11:22.12 | jimcooncat | I'd very much like to know why Update Manager always says, "Downloading list of changes failed." I have a fairly standard install and no other http/ftp problems. |
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| 11:22.54 | megha | themill: is that right that ubuntu and debians package updating system are same ? |
| 11:23.45 | themill | megha: both use the deb file format and use apt and dpkg to install packages. The versions of apt and dpkg are different as are the packages you would install. |
| 11:25.08 | megha | themill: so that's means they both are similar. |
| 11:25.18 | megha | the package update system what i meant. |
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| 11:26.21 | cardiel | someone had succes with building mplayer vaapi ? |
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| 11:26.55 | jimcooncat | Could it be that no one populates the list of changes on the repo end? |
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| 11:27.15 | themill | jimcooncat: the output of "apt-get update" might be interesting to see |
| 11:27.19 | justmeh | doing: "date;hwclock --set --date="9/22/16 16:45:05"; hwclock --hctosys;date" i expect my date for system to be 2016 - no such luck. why? |
| 11:27.35 | justmeh | squeeze: Linux d6-64 2.6.32-5-amd64 #1 SMP Sun Sep 23 10:07:46 UTC 2012 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
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| 11:28.31 | megha | hi justmeh :) |
| 11:28.43 | megha | you are here also :D |
| 11:29.00 | themill | dpkg: tell justmeh about cross-post |
| 11:29.04 | jimcooncat | Not sure how to use #flood, I'll find a paste bin |
| 11:29.14 | themill | jimcooncat: paste.debian.net |
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| 11:29.57 | justmeh | themill, plz examine 'yourownbeezwax' entry lol |
| 11:30.03 | justmeh | sup megha |
| 11:30.04 | Pegasus_RPG | themill: oh for crying out loud... patch apply failure upgrading samba4-4.0.0~beta2+dfsg1 source to samba4-4.0.1. Short of just building samba4 from scratch and forgetting package management, or just using a beta package, do you have any other recommendations? |
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| 11:30.12 | jimcooncat | themill: http://paste.debian.net/227384 |
| 11:30.34 | justmeh | for the record, i'm running that on debian. i'm getting a result i don't expect, using win7-64 as host and d6/squeese as guest in vbox |
| 11:30.38 | UukGoblin | Where could I get some help getting my wifi up? http://paste.debian.net/227379/ |
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| 11:31.28 | jimcooncat | themill: error I'm getting today is on iceweasel, libmozjs10d, and xulrunner-10.0 |
| 11:32.12 | themill | jimcooncat: are you using some changelog preview function for update-manager? |
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| 11:33.56 | jimcooncat | themill: in the gui for Update Manager, I click on the dropdown "Description of Update", and under the "Changes" tab it reports "Downloading list of changes failed." I've noticed this the last three updates, and they've been for various software, not just mozilla's. |
| 11:34.58 | themill | jimcooncat: backports and security don't have their changelogs in a central place for you to browse them like that. You can always use apt-listchanges to look at them after downloading the package. |
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| 11:36.17 | jimcooncat | themill: Thanks very much for that explanation. This wasn't a huge deal for me, just didn't seem right that something this close to package management would be non-working. |
| 11:36.48 | themill | jimcooncat: yeah, it's a long-standing problem that changelogs for these repositories are not available like this. |
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| 11:42.36 | mntzn | Hi, any one know what heppened to zabbix-agent package in wheezy? or any place where I could get info on that |
| 11:43.16 | justmeh | re. the date question, here's a test run, i just don't understand it.. http://pastie.org/5820188 |
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| 11:46.12 | themill | justmeh: "hwclock" inside a virtual machine is an interesting concept. The virtualisation may well also have its own time discipline linking the vm clock to the host clock. (I assume you're not running something like ntp in the vm) |
| 11:47.01 | justmeh | no no ntp |
| 11:47.29 | justmeh | if you have a box that's hardware, could you run an equivalent command and see if date goes into the future when syncing system time to hwclock? |
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| 11:48.42 | justmeh | (obviously something non-production) |
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| 11:49.07 | Pegasus_RPG | themill or anyone: How long does it take for updated packages to get from Experimental to Wheezy? |
| 11:49.12 | Pegasus_RPG | (rough idea) |
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| 11:50.08 | jelly | Pegasus_RPG: packages from experimental never reach anything else, a new upload is done to unstable if the package is deemed stable enough |
| 11:50.10 | themill | Pegasus_RPG: packages will never go from experimental to wheezy. |
| 11:50.25 | Pegasus_RPG | ah ok |
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| 11:50.50 | themill | backported samba packages will probably appear in wheezy-backports in a couple of months though |
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| 11:51.43 | Pegasus_RPG | Does wheezy-backports exist before wheezy officially becomes stable? |
| 11:51.50 | themill | no |
| 11:52.11 | themill | (well, it might... but not in general) |
| 11:52.15 | Pegasus_RPG | ok thank you |
| 11:53.18 | UukGoblin | waves his hands trying to get more wifi signal in. |
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| 12:09.51 | new[] | Does anyone know the cli name for the .zip unzipper that file-roller uses? |
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| 12:12.36 | ChrisH | I do not know what file-roller is, but unzip -l x.zip will show the content |
| 12:12.52 | Touhou11 | file-roller is a GUI for working with archives |
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| 12:14.22 | berarma | new[]: you can look which file-roller dependencies are installed |
| 12:15.27 | ChrisH | Maybe someone remembers my search for my missing 1GB RAM... I found it in a BIOS Option. Inside BIOS there was also only 3GB visible and in POST it was 4GB visible. |
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| 12:16.05 | berarma | ChrisH: which bios option? |
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| 12:19.41 | new[] | ChrisH: i don't appear to have an 'unzip' command (which is what i also thought it used...) but file-roller is still able to unzip them |
| 12:19.42 | ChrisH | Memory Remap |
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| 12:20.41 | new[] | maybe gunzip or bunzip has an option for .zip files. not sure. |
| 12:20.45 | new[] | just a guess |
| 12:21.17 | ChrisH | new[]: apt-get install unzip ? |
| 12:21.48 | new[] | yeah but like i said file-roller is already using something to handle them and i'm curious what it is - not simply assuring i have unzip installed |
| 12:22.11 | new[] | it's probably p7zip-full or something heh |
| 12:23.16 | ChrisH | new[]: then strace file-roller while it does unzip something |
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| 12:24.29 | new[] | *shrug* /me gets back to alternative virtual reality activities |
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| 12:25.50 | grewes | hi! when trying to add my wifi interface to a bridge interface i get an error "operation not supported". when i enable 4addr via command "iw" it works but my AP doenst support 4addr. |
| 12:26.14 | grewes | infact it crashes when i try to send packages. can anyone enlighten me why this could be? |
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| 12:26.45 | cantido | grewes: I'm not sure why it does that .. mine does the same, you have to set the bridge you want it to join in hostapd and then it just works |
| 12:26.50 | grewes | .oO(iam more interested why adding the interface returns operation not supported then in knowing why my AP crashes, i guess it just sucks) |
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| 12:28.20 | grewes | cantido: ok. i'll try that, thank you. does adding the interface via brctl (and without hostapd being already started) also returns that error on your machine? |
| 12:29.16 | cantido | grewes: I had the issue that if I had wlan0 in my bridge in /etc/network/interfaces it wouldn't get added at boot.. but it would get added after hostapd started and I did ifdown br0 && ifup br0 |
| 12:29.37 | cantido | I took it out of the network config and put the line in the hostapd config and it now works |
| 12:29.54 | cantido | unless I take the bridge down I guess.. probably need a post-up line in there |
| 12:30.52 | grewes | yea, i saw stuff from google about hostap / pre-up||post-up setup. but i was just curious why the operation is not supported without hostap. |
| 12:30.58 | grewes | iam using wpa-supplicant right now |
| 12:31.25 | cantido | Yeah, I couldn't work that out either, not sure what magic hostap is doing |
| 12:31.42 | cantido | is just happy he doesn't have to dig out a cat5 whenever the power goes out |
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| 12:33.10 | grewes | :) iam using a routed setup now, which works fine too (i was interested in bridging because of xen) |
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| 12:34.26 | grewes | people from ##xen told me bridging wifi devices is problematic.. but that answer didnt really satisfy me, thats why i came here |
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| 12:35.15 | cantido | I only really bridge wifi so I can capture the traffic for debugging mobile apps, I only have 2 machines on it. Seems to work ok though |
| 12:35.30 | cantido | except for not working on boot for 6 months because I was too lazy to fix it |
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| 12:49.19 | Zeeflo | if someone is laming on my webserver, how can I drop him in the iptables and make sure it stays in the iptables? |
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| 12:49.53 | ectospasm | Zeeflo: is something like fail2ban something you want? |
| 12:50.05 | Zeeflo | i dont know. |
| 12:50.24 | Zeeflo | Ive never had to deal with something like that |
| 12:50.33 | Zeeflo | this* |
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| 12:50.47 | ectospasm | Zeeflo: I use fail2ban to block too many failed attempts at my website. |
| 12:51.01 | ectospasm | it's pretty configurable too, IIRC |
| 12:51.05 | Zeeflo | its not too many failed attempts |
| 12:51.45 | wols_ | Zeeflo: DDOS or DOS? |
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| 12:52.00 | Zeeflo | its someone scurring for ports or trying to blind post shit about penis enlargement in thailand |
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| 12:53.19 | wols_ | that's not what I asked |
| 12:53.33 | Zeeflo | its neither |
| 12:53.38 | Zeeflo | no one is dossing |
| 12:53.40 | wols_ | maybe you should use a spamfilter in your forum software |
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| 12:54.01 | Zeeflo | no, i want his ip dropped |
| 12:54.13 | wols_ | then do it |
| 12:54.13 | Zeeflo | i dont want the ip anywhere near the server |
| 12:54.22 | Zeeflo | thats what I am asking, how do I do that? |
| 12:54.35 | Zeeflo | and how do I load the iptables on boot? |
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| 12:55.19 | wols_ | you can use any of the many firewall packages. e.g. ufw is sorta popular and easy |
| 12:55.29 | Zeeflo | ok |
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| 13:05.34 | roar | problem with a debian install: the router becomes unreachable after a time. I think it's after i try to play a youtube video. |
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| 13:06.45 | Zeeflo | you have a problem with a debian install because your router becomes unavailable after you play a youtube video? |
| 13:06.57 | rudi_s | roar: Fix your router. |
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| 13:07.58 | neon__ | kernel:[184556.052399] Code: c5 2d 00 66 ff 05 3b 37 59 00 c3 48 c7 c7 |
| 13:08.12 | roar | I've tried 3 different routers: same problem |
| 13:08.15 | neon__ | this appears on all my windows |
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| 13:08.30 | roar | I've also tried 5 different network cables |
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| 13:08.47 | ChrisH | roar: define unreachable? ping does work or not? Are there any changed routes on your debian client? compare netstat -rn before and after it happened. IIRC there was sometime in kown issues for squeeze with MTU |
| 13:09.04 | roar | i can ping the loopback (TCP/IP stack is up), I can ping the exit interface too. |
| 13:09.15 | roar | The ping message is "destination unreachable" |
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| 13:12.14 | ChrisH | roar: save netstat -rn ; ifconfig -a ; reproduce it and pastebin to paste.debian.net: ping router;netstat -rn ; dmesg ; ifconfig -a |
| 13:12.20 | ChrisH | roar: is that possible? |
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| 13:12.45 | ChrisH | roar: and how to you get out then? reboot Debian or your router? |
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| 13:13.14 | roar | rebooting debian to fix it every time |
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| 13:13.50 | roar | ok, next time it happens i'll run those commands, send them to pasteitbin and then come here |
| 13:14.37 | roar | ChrisH it's showing me up now by not producing the problem |
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| 13:16.25 | ChrisH | roar: please let us decide what the important part of your data is. paste all. OK? |
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| 13:29.56 | jww | Hello. |
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| 13:31.21 | jww | I'm looking for a tutorial on IPSEC, to setup a VPN for roadwarriors.does somebody know a good one ? |
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| 13:36.02 | pmurias | is the wifi card rt2700e supported under debian? |
| 13:37.30 | caboche | jww: that's a bit generic. If you can pic the systems for the server, I'd pick OpenBSD; they have good doc and the setup is easyish compared to other systems |
| 13:37.53 | ChrisH | pmurias: check http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi you might need pciids or usb ids |
| 13:38.57 | jww | caboche: the system for the server will be debian squeeze. |
| 13:39.08 | pmurias | ChrisH: I haven't yet bought it |
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| 13:39.57 | ChrisH | pmurias: then get in contact wtih dpkg: /msg dpkg ralink |
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| 13:42.52 | caboche | jww: No idea beyond google... Sorry |
| 13:43.21 | jww | caboche: no problems. |
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| 13:44.31 | pmurias | what's the best supported wifi card under wheezy? |
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| 13:47.58 | wols_ | pmurias: anything with a atheros chipset generally. they normally don't need non-free firmware |
| 13:48.33 | wols_ | pmurias: tp-link usually uses atheros and is cheap. do you need a 802.11g or 802.11n card? |
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| 13:50.42 | ChrisH | pmurias: ask dpkg on wifi |
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| 13:55.30 | pmurias | wols_: how can I check what I need? |
| 13:56.17 | wols_ | main difference is speed |
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| 14:04.26 | Pegasus_RPG | Do we file bugs on packages in experimental? |
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| 14:09.10 | niluje | debian packaging question: given a directory myproject/ with a debian/ directory inside it. I want to create a package running debuild. Why is the orig file so important? Is there a way to generate it from the sources in the current directory? What I'm currently doing is a bash script which automates the creation of a .tar.gz of the directory. Is it how it is supposed to be done? |
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| 14:19.45 | M20 | hey, i have some problems... I was told to run apt-get update, so I did. And then the synaptic told me to update, so I did. I had squeeze. Now for some reason I have 4 options on the GRUB... I had two. And I have gnome 3. I hate gnome 3. Can I be on squeeze and keep gnome 2? or should i go to kde or something ? and why did the update add another option to my grub? |
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| 14:20.32 | petn-randall | niluje: Is this your project, or is it a modification of an upstream one? Debian has two source package layouts: 1) orig.tar.gz + debian specific bits, 2) debian native package |
| 14:20.53 | niluje | petn-randall: it is my project |
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| 14:21.15 | petn-randall | niluje: You will need the orig.tar.gz to generate the debian specific diff from 1) |
| 14:21.27 | petn-randall | niluje: if you go with 2) that won't be that much of a problem. |
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| 14:21.42 | niluje | I'm not sure I get the difference between the orig.tar.gz and the debian native package actually |
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| 14:23.16 | petn-randall | niluje: 'debian native' is just one tar.gz, while the other one is orig.tar.gz (upstream source) + debian.tar.gz (basically your debian/) |
| 14:24.09 | niluje | And why would I rather use the orig.tar.gz (what I always did) instead of the native debian package? |
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| 14:25.10 | petn-randall | niluje: Either way works really, but if you don't have a orig.tar.gz the packaging tools won't know where to put which parts. |
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| 14:26.17 | niluje | petn-randall: Ok I'm gonna try to turn on a native package so |
| 14:26.23 | niluje | and, what do you think about that? http://pastebin.com/GiGDSEiF |
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| 14:26.28 | niluje | Does it sound like crap to you? |
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| 14:26.42 | petn-randall | niluje: if you don't want to distribute a source package in the first place, you can simply 'dpkg-buildpackage -b ...' which will only build your package. |
| 14:28.15 | petn-randall | niluje: that may save you some time and worries :) |
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| 14:28.39 | niluje | Are you talking about my script or using dpkg-buildpackage -b ? |
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| 14:31.20 | niluje | it's so complicated, I think I read every documentation available and I still can't get how to make a good package |
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| 14:31.53 | niluje | it works, it can be deployed easily, it handles dependencies, it's ok with lintian but I'm pretty sure it doesn't respect debian policies :( |
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| 14:41.39 | Teduardo | Does anyone know where I can find a mirror that still has etch on it? |
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| 14:43.39 | Infiltrator | Teduardo: Out of curiousity: why? |
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| 14:44.16 | Teduardo | I have some openvz machines built off of etch and my openvz box is falling apart and i need to migrate it to a new machine and i need to migrate it before i can replace etch |
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| 14:44.50 | Teduardo | i.e. it will fail hard before I have time to reinstall everything on new virtual machines |
| 14:45.11 | Teduardo | so i just need a mirror I can point to with etch so that I can cache it on our new openvz machine |
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| 14:46.47 | Infiltrator | Teduardo: Have a look at http://www.debian.org/distrib/archive |
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| 14:47.58 | Rprp` | Hi guys - for some reason when I boot up my Linux server, within 5 mins the system hangs with 0% swap/ram (got 4G). I've tried to run psaux/top/etc, but these commands doesnt load (takes forever, because of 0 ram I think) - is there anyway I can find out what procces takes up all the ram? |
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| 14:48.34 | Infiltrator | Teduardo: By the way, it was the first google search result for "debian etch mirror". :P |
| 14:48.35 | cantido | Rprp`: if you get hard out of memory situations they are reported in dmesg |
| 14:48.39 | lupine | leave top running, sorting by %mem, see what's at the top when it dies |
| 14:48.57 | cantido | Rprp`: linux will try to kill off the biggest process IIRC |
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| 14:49.39 | lupine | the algorithm is slightly more complicated than that |
| 14:49.40 | Teduardo | yeah, i just randomly guessed archive.debian.org too =) |
| 14:49.43 | Rprp` | cantido: mm, thanks. It kills httpd (dmesg), but it keeps running out of memory... ill take a look into it |
| 14:49.46 | krisfremen | Rprp`: dmesg will have the info |
| 14:49.59 | krisfremen | ah, someone beat me to it |
| 14:50.15 | krisfremen | rrehbein: check the logs of apache |
| 14:50.22 | lupine | has a perennial issue with it killing sshd when it's the apaches that are big |
| 14:50.29 | krisfremen | Rprp`: check the logs of apache* |
| 14:50.41 | lupine | I think it prefers to kill long-running processes |
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| 14:50.49 | cantido | It might not kill the biggest process then, that's what I sort of rememeber doing |
| 14:51.24 | cantido | I think you can get a list of processes via magic sysrq too.. maybe that would help if the machine locks up? |
| 14:51.34 | Infiltrator | Can you tell it to kill process x (like sshd) only as a last resort? |
| 14:51.51 | Rprp` | I will take a look. ps aux doesnt work (just takes 15mins to load, aborts). |
| 14:52.40 | jhutchins | setting apache not to start would be a definite step. |
| 14:52.48 | M20 | Hey, Is it possible to install Squeeze and have specific Wheezy packages? How do I do that? I simply don't want to have Gnome 3. |
| 14:53.19 | cantido | M20: I don't think that will work |
| 14:53.28 | Infiltrator | !tell M20 -about testing |
| 14:53.32 | jhutchins | !frankendebian |
| 14:53.32 | dpkg | When you get random packages from random repositories, mix multiple releases of Debian, or mix Debian and derived distributions, you have a mess. There's no way anyone can support this "distribution of Frankenstein" and #debian certainly doesn't want to even try. See if you can convince ##linux to help. |
| 14:53.37 | wols_ | !tell M20 about ssb |
| 14:54.00 | jalalsfs | Do you recommend "laptop-mode-tools" to be installed in laptop or not? |
| 14:54.01 | Infiltrator | jhutchins: I like that one. |
| 14:54.04 | wols_ | M20: you would need to backport these packages or check backports.org for them (if available) |
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| 14:54.34 | M20 | wols_: So you're saying it is possible? |
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| 14:54.56 | wols_ | yes. but ultimately futile |
| 14:55.31 | Infiltrator | M20: Your better bet if you only want to not have gnome3 is to install wheezy and use one of the other DEs. |
| 14:55.38 | M20 | ah i see. So what do you suggest? I don't want to have a mess, But I certainly don't want to use Gnome 3. I really like gnome 2 |
| 14:55.49 | Infiltrator | M20: Also take a look at mate; I think that's the name of the gnome2 fork. |
| 14:55.58 | jalalsfs | wols_, You mean that package? |
| 14:56.08 | jubei | I use Mate and it works like a charm. |
| 14:56.09 | jubei | I love it |
| 14:56.37 | wols_ | jalalsfs: mean which one? |
| 14:56.58 | Infiltrator | jubei: I haven't kept up; is there a mate package in wheezy? |
| 14:57.02 | jalalsfs | jubei, Do you use it from Mint repository? |
| 14:57.25 | jalalsfs | wols_, "laptop-mode-tools" |
| 14:57.27 | jubei | actually I use mate in ubuntu , sorry for not clarifying |
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| 14:57.52 | jubei | but there should be debian-compatible packages in their repository (I added the MATE ppa) |
| 14:57.53 | wols_ | jalalsfs: no I did not |
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| 14:58.23 | M20 | I am actually used to gnome 2 and I don't want to make a change now... Is it that horrible to use gnome 2? I just want to be sure if it's absolutly wrong to do that |
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| 15:00.41 | Infiltrator | M20: Have a look here for installing mate in Debian: http://wiki.mate-desktop.org/download |
| 15:01.22 | Infiltrator | M20: I would reccommend installing wheezy and pulling in mate from their repo. |
| 15:01.51 | Infiltrator | M20: Good luck. |
| 15:02.08 | M20 | Thanks |
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| 15:04.08 | jalalsfs | Infiltrator, There is no mate desktop in debian repository. |
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| 15:09.59 | shpank | did anyone of you install debian on powerpc boxes in the last few months? |
| 15:10.16 | shpank | we've got a g5 imac right here that refuses to boot |
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| 15:10.43 | shpank | the disk is in an external firewire cd drive |
| 15:11.01 | shpank | the mac recognizes it, but if we want to boot the cd, it just resets |
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| 15:17.59 | fnmueller | I don't understand how to attach a file to an email using the "mail" command/programm. I conuslted to man page, but found no hint. How do I do that? |
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| 15:20.17 | SPF | fnmueller: you can find some examples on google. Here's one I use -> echo "$BODY" | mutt -s "$SUBJECT" $FILE $EMAIL |
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| 15:21.10 | fnmueller | SPF: I don't use mutt, this is for a script I run. Which is why I don't use mutt, but mail as in the programm mail |
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| 15:22.11 | ChrisH | fnmueller: you want to use mutt :) otherwise only option I know: uuencode FILE FILE | mailx -s "$SUBJECT" $EMAIL |
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| 15:22.27 | danols_work | is it possible to redirect output of echo as input for another command ? |
| 15:22.36 | ChrisH | danols_work: yes |
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| 15:22.42 | danols_work | I am trying echo -e 'password\npassword' | htdigest foo ... |
| 15:22.57 | danols_work | but it still asks for input - it's as if htdigest is clearing the input buffer |
| 15:23.06 | ksk | you probably should not mess aroung with passwords by yourself |
| 15:23.17 | ksk | you will most likely builtin some security flaw :> |
| 15:23.19 | danols_work | yes |
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| 15:23.43 | SPF | fnmueller: http://www.azure.org.ua/en/articles/10-Compose_email_with_attachment_from_command_line_shell_script.html |
| 15:24.18 | ChrisH | SPF: as I said... he wants to use mutt |
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| 15:25.31 | danols_work | ksk it's for an action in ECLIPSE |
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| 15:25.51 | danols_work | so I can right click and excute the command, so any way to make it work ? - echo -e 'password\npassword' | htdigest foo ... |
| 15:27.14 | ksk | that wont work i guess. you maybe want to use expect |
| 15:27.18 | ksk | but its dirty and unwanted :> |
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| 15:29.04 | hje841 | has anybody experience with writing code to a 3G-modem connected via /dev/USB0? (C++) |
| 15:29.07 | danols_work | ksk can you give me an example ? |
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| 15:29.28 | ChrisH | hje841: define "writing code" |
| 15:29.55 | hje841 | ChrisH, calling open/read/write/close on a USB-device |
| 15:30.14 | ksk | danols_work: http://expect.sourceforge.net/ |
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| 15:30.38 | ksk | danols_work: you shoud first take a look if one can call htdigest non-interactive - take a look at its manpage |
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| 15:30.45 | ChrisH | hje841: man open/read/write/close or search for serial tutorial on google |
| 15:30.46 | danols_work | ohhh! |
| 15:30.47 | danols_work | ok |
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| 15:31.06 | danols_work | ohh no :( I already checked |
| 15:31.28 | danols_work | Thank you for the tips ksk, I'll lave it as is |
| 15:31.42 | hje841 | ChrisH, yeah, I've got all that sorted, but some times I get a 'resource temporarily unavailable' and I have no clue why. |
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| 15:35.16 | hje841 | I thought it was a timing issue, but playing around with sleep() didn't help |
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| 15:36.32 | ChrisH | if you retry, does that change anything? |
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| 15:37.42 | hje841 | hmm.. that might need a bit of re-modelling of my code.. I'll get back to you |
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| 15:43.34 | fnmueller | SPF ChrisH thanks, I got it to worl with mutt, I just did not assume mail is not capable of attaching files |
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| 15:46.31 | trakinas | hey guys! Exim4 is complaining about groups not being readable. The file 's chmod is 600. I tried setting up ACls, instead of pushing chmod to something else, but it fails with "operation not available". |
| 15:46.43 | Towzzer | what user owns the file? |
| 15:47.09 | trakinas | Towzzer: root. |
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| 15:50.22 | jordanm | TraceDePneu, are you using a filesystem that supports POSIX ACLs? |
| 15:50.44 | Towzzer | what user is exim running as? |
| 15:51.00 | Towzzer | sorry, are we talking about /etc/groups? |
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| 15:51.13 | trakinas | Towzzer: /etc/group |
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| 15:51.19 | trakinas | on singular. |
| 15:51.33 | Towzzer | the default permissions for that file are 644 |
| 15:51.37 | Towzzer | it's suppose to be world readable |
| 15:51.50 | trakinas | Towzzer: how can I check which user is running exim? |
| 15:51.59 | Towzzer | chmod 644 /etc/group |
| 15:53.03 | trakinas | I dont recall changing group permissions. will chmod to 644 and try it. |
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| 15:54.09 | jordanm | not having read permissions on /etc/group will break a lot of things, such as `ls` for all non-root users |
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| 15:56.28 | hje841 | ChrisH, if I retry I get 'bad address' instead |
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| 15:57.00 | trakinas | Towzzer: it failed saying that paniclog is not empty. is there any command to make it empty? just wondering. |
| 15:57.15 | b0ss_ | an equivalent for Visio for Linux ? |
| 15:57.27 | ksk | trakinas: exims paniclog? remove it |
| 15:57.44 | Towzzer | echo '' > file |
| 15:57.48 | Towzzer | will clean up anything |
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| 15:57.53 | jordanm | > /var/log/exim4/paniclog |
| 15:58.09 | ksk | this will make it not nonempty imho |
| 15:58.09 | jordanm | Towzzer, you don't need the echo to truncate a file |
| 15:58.18 | trakinas | ksk, Towzzer: thanks. |
| 15:58.21 | Towzzer | I didn't know that sir |
| 15:58.27 | Towzzer | you are welcome trakinas |
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| 15:58.40 | Towzzer | "Trak NAS, where speed meets durability" |
| 15:58.56 | trakinas | jordanm: how come, then? i thought touch would truncate it. |
| 15:59.09 | Towzzer | touch just updates the access time |
| 15:59.15 | Towzzer | or creates a file if it doesn't exist |
| 15:59.21 | trakinas | i see! |
| 15:59.46 | trakinas | i thought that without any parameter it would generate an empty file. |
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| 16:00.13 | Towzzer | it does but not if the file exists |
| 16:00.20 | Towzzer | it won't delete it and create a new one |
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| 16:00.40 | niluje | Let's say I have a project named 'cdr-agent': a C project with a Makefile which generates an executable and two dynamic libraries. According to http://wiki.debian.org/DebianMentorsFaq#What.27s_wrong_with_upstream_shipping_a_debian.2F_directory.3F I'm not supposed to ship the debian/ directory upstream |
| 16:00.46 | niluje | What should my repository look like? |
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| 16:01.14 | niluje | what I have currently is : cdr-agents/Makefile cdr-agents/debian/ cdr-agents/*.c |
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| 16:01.28 | niluje | I want to create a non-native source package |
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| 16:05.01 | trakinas | exim is working. thanks again. |
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| 16:05.44 | dolus- | Morning. |
| 16:06.08 | trakinas | afternoon. |
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| 16:35.00 | kououken | A bridged networking question for anyone who might be familiar with it in Debian: I'm trying to set up a qemu host with multiple guests that need to grab their own ip on the network. I've successfully done this for the first guest by following the Debian wiki page on QEMU (http://wiki.debian.org/QEMU#Networking). My problem now is, I need to add more guests and ip addresses, and am not sure whether I need more taps, more bridges, or b |
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| 16:36.43 | kououken | Googling turns up dozens of ways to set up the network, either with /etc/network/interfaces, qemu command line options, scripting, or some combination of these. If possible, I'd like to have the simplest solution possible using just the interfaces file. |
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| 16:37.22 | dondelelcaro | kououken: you'll just have more taps which you add to the same bridge, assuming you want them on the same network |
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| 16:39.16 | kououken | dondelelcaro: Currently, the interfaces file creates the taps as part of the br0 startup, looking like: "pre-up ip tuntap add dev tap0 mode tap user USERNAME", but it doesn't like having more than one of these lines.. Do you know what it should look like to add both tap0 and tap1, etc.? |
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| 16:40.08 | dondelelcaro | kououken: you should be able to add another pre-up ip tuntap add dev tap1 mode tap user ....; |
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| 16:41.26 | Yoshi1 | still a myster as soon as i make an xorg.conf which tell the system to use nvidia drivers i cant get an X session going |
| 16:41.29 | Yoshi1 | mystery* |
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| 16:41.51 | kououken | dondelelcaro: Hmm.. Ok I'll try that. Should the bridge_ports line read "bridge_ports eth0 tap0 tap1 etc." then? |
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| 16:43.20 | floogy | Hi I cannot send email by the php mail() function PHP Warning: mail(): Could not execute mail delivery program '/usr/sbin/sendmail -t -i ' in /path/to/kontactform.php line 123 |
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| 16:44.09 | Towzzer | whereis sendmail |
| 16:44.17 | floogy | /usr/sbin/sendmail -t -i -s 'Hai' gginfo@web.de < mailbody works fine |
| 16:44.26 | Nineain | hello, how i need to do to remove the autosave of session when i turn off the computer please??? |
| 16:44.37 | Towzzer | permissions on sendmail? |
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| 16:45.06 | floogy | # ls -l $(which sendmail) |
| 16:45.07 | floogy | -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 25884 4. Mai 2011 /usr/sbin/sendmail |
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| 16:50.05 | ChrisH | floogy: what does file /usr/sbin/sendmail shows? |
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| 17:07.47 | floogy | ChrisH, http://pastie.org/5825602 Sorry, I was afk |
| 17:08.17 | floogy | # dpkg -S $(which sendmail) |
| 17:08.17 | floogy | postfix: /usr/sbin/sendmail |
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| 17:09.19 | ChrisH | floogy: then I have no additional ideas |
| 17:09.55 | floogy | I also found 4 google links of the md5sum for sendmail |
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| 17:24.11 | Nineain | hello, how i need to do to remove the autosave of session when i turn off the computer please??? |
| 17:25.56 | paulera | Hello everybody! I am trying to get a HTML dump... but with wget, w3m and lynx, i only get something "like HTTP/1.1 505 HTTP Version not supported". Anyone know any solution. Have not find searching google. |
| 17:26.32 | krisfremen | paulera: find a client that supports the http version that's required by the server |
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| 17:27.07 | geggam | try curl paulera ? |
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| 17:27.20 | paulera | krisfremen: have searched and not found.... know anyone? |
| 17:27.21 | MrFrood | paulera: download a webpage or a text dump of the rendered html? |
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| 17:27.40 | paulera | geggam: until now, i have used curl only in php files, but will take a look! |
| 17:28.12 | MrFrood | <3 curl - it supports gopher |
| 17:28.15 | krisfremen | you can take what curl gives you and pipe it to w3m or lynx for a "text dump" |
| 17:28.35 | paulera | MrFrood: I am trying to do exactly this. Ang get the error. The url is from my network printer.... it have something listening port 80 to show a admin page on browser |
| 17:29.08 | paulera | krisfremen: gonna try curl. Thanks everybody!!! |
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| 17:29.26 | MrFrood | krisfremen: paulera I've found that elinks delivers the best text dumps |
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| 17:30.31 | MrFrood | paulera: you sure it is on port 80? |
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| 17:30.42 | paulera | MrFrood, krisfremen, geggam and nineain: CURL worked fine. Thanks everybody! |
| 17:30.50 | anders_ | How is debian running wireless on eee PC? |
| 17:30.57 | paulera | geggam: thaks for your idea |
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| 17:31.32 | MrFrood | I use elinks text dumps to render html emails with mailx |
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| 17:50.24 | floogy | ChrisH, maybe the php variables for the header and mail() function are empty and that leads to the Notice in lighttpd error.log? http://pastie.org/5825867 |
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| 17:56.58 | Yoshi1 | anyone else haveing issues with nvidia cards on laptops with optimus technology? |
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| 18:01.03 | Subfusc | !help |
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| 18:02.51 | jhutchins | Yoshi1: Yeah, pretty much everybody. |
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| 18:03.59 | nicesteal | hi |
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| 18:04.12 | nicesteal | is anybody here ? |
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| 18:04.41 | nicesteal | htor |
| 18:04.41 | Subfusc | htor: hi ;P |
| 18:04.50 | htor | hello |
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| 18:04.51 | nicesteal | Subfusc hi |
| 18:05.00 | Subfusc | nicesteal: hi |
| 18:05.15 | elepfontius | hola |
| 18:05.21 | htor | how are you this fine evening? |
| 18:05.39 | elepfontius | ha it's midday for me - i assume you are in the UK or europe? |
| 18:05.41 | nicesteal | htor 7:05 pm in here |
| 18:05.44 | nicesteal | i'm french :p |
| 18:06.10 | htor | oh, i'm in the cold land of norway |
| 18:06.15 | elepfontius | i'm in brooklyn nyc, nice to meet all of you |
| 18:06.28 | sney | !ot |
| 18:06.28 | dpkg | #debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day. |
| 18:06.30 | nicesteal | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:06.41 | nicesteal | elepfontius maybe ill go to ny next summer |
| 18:07.03 | elepfontius | yeah nyc is def a great place to be right now |
| 18:07.06 | nicesteal | dpkg sry |
| 18:07.06 | dpkg | well, sry is Sorry, or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SRY |
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| 18:07.39 | nicesteal | well i came here for a real debian question |
| 18:07.43 | sney | dpkg is a channel bot. if any of you have debian questions feel free to ask |
| 18:07.44 | dpkg | sney: You are person #1 to send an unparseable request |
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| 18:08.13 | sney | !ask |
| 18:08.13 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
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| 18:08.35 | nicesteal | i was wondering if its a bot, i thought it was a human after the "sry" answer. What an inteligence |
| 18:09.18 | nicesteal | ok, i have package to install to run programms on an embeded device <ith a m430 device |
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| 18:10.19 | nicesteal | It works well on an Ubuntu 12.04. However, I have to install those packages on a Debian SQUEEZ and it seems they doesnt exist |
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| 18:10.33 | nicesteal | What could I do then ? |
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| 18:10.58 | sney | what packages are they |
| 18:11.00 | nicesteal | packages are binutils-msp430 gcc-msp430 and msp430-libc |
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| 18:11.44 | koshie | Is it possible to install gnome3 and gnome-shell on stable from squeeze-backports ? |
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| 18:11.59 | sney | nicesteal, those packages are only available in wheezy or newer |
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| 18:12.01 | sney | koshie, no |
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| 18:12.15 | koshie | I see |
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| 18:12.24 | koshie | sney: better to upgrade to testing I guess so |
| 18:12.35 | koshie | anyway, testing is close to be stable anyway |
| 18:12.41 | koshie | thanks |
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| 18:12.56 | sney | yep, it's been frozen since summer and will probably release in a couple months |
| 18:12.57 | nicesteal | sney, it's fdor a univ. project and we only have a Debian SQUEEZ to work then is there any way to install them on squeez anyway ? |
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| 18:13.26 | sney | ,checkbackport binutils-msp430 |
| 18:13.30 | judd | Backporting package binutils-msp430 in sid→squeeze/i386: unsatisfiable build dependencies: Build-Depends: msp430mcu. |
| 18:13.31 | koshie | And upgrade from ssh is a good idea ? |
| 18:13.43 | koshie | I read I don't have to use telnet, rsh etc. |
| 18:13.49 | koshie | Because service are stoped |
| 18:13.59 | nicesteal | sney, ok I will google it |
| 18:14.01 | sney | koshie, it usually works fine as long as there are no 3rd party packages. |
| 18:14.07 | sney | nicesteal, no, it won't work |
| 18:14.19 | nicesteal | sney, why ? |
| 18:14.26 | sney | nicesteal, judd is another bot that just said the msp430 packages can't be built for squeeze |
| 18:14.31 | canvon | Yoshi1: someone using Optimus with "ironhide" tells me to hint you at: http://wiki.debian.org/Bumblebee (which should be ironhide's successor) |
| 18:14.36 | koshie | sney: completly new system, I can't install from testing directly with a GRUB issue |
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| 18:14.40 | koshie | but from stable it works |
| 18:14.43 | koshie | thanks, again :) |
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| 18:14.55 | sney | koshie, just in case though: |
| 18:15.05 | sney | !tell koshie about immediate configuration |
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| 18:15.13 | koshie | :) |
| 18:15.33 | sney | you probably won't see that issue from a fresh squeeze install but better to be prepared. |
| 18:15.38 | koshie | sney: I've only installed vim on it |
| 18:15.45 | koshie | so I think... |
| 18:16.04 | nicesteal | sney, do you think ill can install the packages ? |
| 18:16.15 | nicesteal | sney, what should i do ? |
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| 18:17.04 | sney | nicesteal, talk to your professors and tell them squeeze isn't good enough for your project. most embedded projects use wheezy too |
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| 18:17.17 | adh0c | Can anyone advise me in configuring multiple mailman listservs for virtual domains with postfix. |
| 18:17.18 | canvon | Yoshi1: 17:41:25 < Yoshi1> still a mystery as soon as i make an xorg.conf which tell the system to use nvidia drivers i cant get an X session going <- AFAIK, the nvidia chip will only help with rendering, the main graphics chip must be the Intel one |
| 18:17.22 | sney | e.g. raspbian for the raspberry pi |
| 18:17.41 | koshie | sney: seems to be a good source.list for migration right? http://pastebin.com/4vXtbmzR |
| 18:17.59 | koshie | Oh damn, forget for security and keep squeeze :) |
| 18:18.12 | sney | koshie, yeah, either change security or remove it |
| 18:18.14 | nicesteal | sney, yes. No other way ? like adding repository or i dont know.. |
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| 18:18.22 | koshie | sney: what is the difference ? |
| 18:18.31 | adh0c | Particularly, do mailman aliases for lists need to be differentiated in main.cfg, or can there just be one set of aliases pointing towards the cgi scripts and then virtually mapped? |
| 18:18.32 | koshie | (between removing or edit to remplace squeeze by wheezy) |
| 18:18.47 | sney | nicesteal, adding a wheezy repository will only give you an apt problem, and the packages will not work |
| 18:19.07 | sney | nicesteal, you could *maybe* make a wheezy chroot system within squeeze with debootstrap |
| 18:19.16 | sney | you would need root access though |
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| 18:20.06 | sney | koshie, wheezy security isn't being used yet but it will once the release happens, so having wheezy security in sources.list now means you don't have to remember to add it later |
| 18:20.18 | nicesteal | sney, i will not do the chroot way |
| 18:20.23 | koshie | sney: keeping it so :), thanks for the third time ;) |
| 18:20.23 | Yoshi1 | canvon: yes but i cant get the nvidia card to do anything |
| 18:20.30 | koshie | It's currently upgrading |
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| 18:20.52 | sney | nicesteal, then you need to talk to your professor. |
| 18:21.19 | nicesteal | sney, ok, thanks for your answer |
| 18:22.39 | canvon | Yoshi1: have you had a look at http://wiki.debian.org/Bumblebee ? |
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| 18:24.05 | Yoshi1 | canvon: yes but when running the glxgears test i get an error Error: couldn't get an RGB, Double-buffered visual |
| 18:24.18 | Yoshi1 | thats ontop of the fact i cant use my hdmi port for an external monitor |
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| 18:27.04 | canvon | Yoshi1: regarding the external monitor: with VGA port on laptop it seems you have to press some combination of Fn with some other key to get it to output video on the external port |
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| 18:27.42 | canvon | Yoshi1: (Fn+F5, in my case) |
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| 18:29.13 | Yoshi1 | canvon: not vga output HDMI output |
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| 18:29.37 | canvon | Yoshi1: yes but it could still be the same |
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| 18:29.51 | Yoshi1 | canvon: never needed that fn key to use that on windows and i dont want to turn over display i want to dual screen |
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| 18:47.34 | M20 | hi, my laptop has drivers for SUSE linux. Can I install these drivers? the drivers:http://h20000.www2.hp.com/bizsupport/TechSupport/SoftwareIndex.jsp?lang=en&cc=us&prodNameId=5229457&prodTypeId=321957&prodSeriesId=5229455&swLang=13&taskId=135&swEnvOID=2020 |
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| 18:48.50 | sney | M20, those drivers are included in debian, you don't need to download them from HP |
| 18:49.19 | sney | linux isn't like windows where you always need to install a bunch of drivers from the vendor. most stuff is just supported. |
| 18:49.33 | M20 | alright, how can I set them up? I have no wifi\bluetooth\sound |
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| 18:50.01 | M20 | by the way i am using squeeze |
| 18:50.08 | sney | M20, please pastebin the output of 'lspci -nn' |
| 18:50.19 | sney | (on a site like http://paste.debian.net/) |
| 18:50.28 | raccoon_ | hey. i have some questions regarding the maintainance of custom kernel packages in debian. is this the right channel? |
| 18:50.49 | sney | raccoon_, ask your question |
| 18:51.00 | sney | if it's better answered somewhere else we'll let you know |
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| 18:52.58 | quechec | is there a calculator for calculating with extremely large numbers? Like '(((2^2)^(2^2)))^(((2^2)^(2^2)))^(((2^2)^(2^2)))^(((2^2)^(2^2)))' |
| 18:53.04 | rndnick34 | is there a tool like teewrap (similar to rlwrap just for tee): teewrap file1 ... filen -- cmd args ? |
| 18:53.06 | quechec | they could be in scientific 3-notation |
| 18:53.09 | M20 | sney : paste.debian.net/227530 |
| 18:53.36 | M20 | by the way, just wondering, is there a command to send from the terminal to pastebin? could be useful sometimes |
| 18:53.46 | sney | M20, pastebinit |
| 18:53.50 | zinx | quechec: apcalc |
| 18:53.54 | zinx | quechec: the command is 'calc' |
| 18:53.58 | rndnick34 | or maybe even a generic wrap: generi-wrap filtercmd filterargs -- cmd args |
| 18:54.06 | sney | ahh, HP. offer 3 different wifi drivers, and then have a 4th wifi nic option |
| 18:54.22 | zinx | quechec: there are also GUI ones, but i haven't used those much, and I think they are Qt :X |
| 18:54.27 | sney | ,pciid 1814:3290 --release sid |
| 18:54.28 | judd | [1814:3290] is 'RT3290 Wireless 802.11n 1T/1R PCIe' from 'Ralink corp.' with no known kernel module in sid. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=1814:3290 |
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| 18:55.19 | M20 | sney: so what do i do? |
| 18:55.23 | zinx | quechec: also, depending on what you're wanting, something like wxmaxima may work for you. |
| 18:56.01 | quechec | zinx: no, a command line tool is good. Does the tool calculate the term I have posted? If yes, what was your input? |
| 18:56.22 | sney | M20, bad news, your wireless card is much too new for debian squeeze. your best option would probably be to use wheezy (which will be released in a few months as debian 7 anyway) plus the kernel from experimental. you'll also need to install the package firmware-ralink to enable the non-free features of the nic |
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| 18:56.57 | quechec | zinx: I mean apcalc |
| 18:56.57 | zinx | quechec: yes, it does |
| 18:57.16 | zinx | quechec: wait, no |
| 18:57.22 | zinx | quechec: won't let you raise to a power that large ;) |
| 18:57.24 | M20 | ahh this sounds like trouble... Is there no way of installing only the driver? or use the driver HP offers for suse? :/ |
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| 18:57.34 | zinx | quechec: it might have a twiddle for it.. |
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| 18:58.23 | sney | M20, HP offers 3 drivers for wifi cards that you don't have. the driver for that ralink card was not present on the page you linked. this is something that HP does pretty often and it's annoying |
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| 19:00.23 | sney | M20, also, since your wifi is so new it's likely that you'd need a newer kernel for the bluetooth as well. sound is probably just muted |
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| 19:00.41 | orzo | I wrote a shell extension that provides a wifi indicator for use with wpa-supplicant in wpa-roam mode (without NetworkManager). Screenshots here: http://wordslurp.com/wparoam-indicator/ |
| 19:00.44 | M20 | I see. Thanks for the help... is it possible however to install the drivers they offer for suse anyway? for bluetooth and sound card stuff |
| 19:00.46 | orzo | comments, suggestions, interest? |
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| 19:01.32 | zinx | quechec: naw, gonna have to use something else. |
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| 19:01.44 | zinx | quechec: do you have enough space to represent this number? |
| 19:02.06 | sney | M20, no, since suse and debian use different kernel versions. and I don't see audio or bluetooth drivers on that page |
| 19:02.08 | quechec | zinx: 8 gigs of RAM enough? |
| 19:02.38 | quechec | zinx: why? it's only 2's that are raised a bit... |
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| 19:03.05 | M20 | Alright, thanks sney! |
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| 19:03.37 | quechec | zinx: thanks anyway since apcalc and wxmaxima are good tools anyway I didn't know before |
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| 19:03.49 | sney | M20, I bet if you install wheezy, your audio and bluetooth will work out of the box, and installing a kernel from experimental is really quite painless |
| 19:03.59 | tidux | speaking of Wheezy and kernels |
| 19:04.03 | tidux | 3.2 is getting laughably outdated |
| 19:04.10 | tidux | will we see 3.7.x as an update to Wheezy? |
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| 19:04.26 | tidux | there were a bunch of major changes in 3.5-3.6 that we're getting left behind on |
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| 19:04.40 | zinx | quechec: the number you're calculating is 256^(256^(256^256)) |
| 19:04.50 | tidux | I had to roll my own 3.7 kernel just to get wifi working acceptably |
| 19:04.57 | zinx | quechec: i would expect it to take more than 8 gigs |
| 19:04.59 | tidux | and my GPU performance about doubled with the new "radeon" driver |
| 19:05.12 | sney | there's a 3.7 in experimental that will likely be in jessie as well as wheezy-backports (or it'll be a 3.8); wheezy will be released with 3.2, though. that decision was made already |
| 19:05.17 | M20 | sney: I'l probably do that in few days since I don't really have the time now at all, I thought the wifi is just a driver issue (it is, i mean, but i thought theres some apt-get solution :)). thanks |
| 19:05.46 | johndo | what exactly is the file /var/lib/dpkg/available for? |
| 19:05.51 | johndo | is it safe to drop that file when you never use dselect? |
| 19:05.53 | sney | well, upgrading to wheezy and getting the experimental kernel are both apt-get solutions. |
| 19:06.00 | tidux | sney: it's a pretty bad decision IMO |
| 19:06.18 | tidux | it's stable, but it's not really useful on new hardware compared to 3.7 |
| 19:06.34 | tidux | who made the decision, and where can I talk to them? |
| 19:06.52 | sney | tidux, *shrug* it's part of the debian policy. besides, since backports is official nowadays, nobody will have to wait long for that and kmuto installers that include it |
| 19:06.56 | Arrowmaster | the kernel team probably made the decision when wheezy was frozen |
| 19:07.02 | sney | yes, that |
| 19:07.29 | sney | I suppose you could hassle them on #debian-devel on irc.debian.org, but please wait for me to join first and make some popcorn |
| 19:07.36 | Arrowmaster | me too |
| 19:07.47 | pmo | Anyone have an idea why i cant find the aircrack-ng packages on debian wheezy? |
| 19:07.55 | tidux | I'll do it later when I've got some time to kill and my flameproof shirt on |
| 19:07.56 | M20 | sney : can i upgrade just the things that i need? I mean upgrade just what is necessary, i want everything else to remain on squeeze meanwhile |
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| 19:08.04 | quechec | zinx: I am trying to calculate '(256^256)^(256^256)' |
| 19:08.08 | Arrowmaster | ,,versions aircrack-ng |
| 19:08.13 | Arrowmaster | ,,version aircrack-ng |
| 19:08.17 | sney | pmo, because aircrack-ng didn't get a freeze exemption |
| 19:08.24 | sney | Arrowmaster, ETOOMANYCOMMAS |
| 19:08.29 | Arrowmaster | i can never remember the bot commands |
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| 19:08.34 | pmo | ah so i have to svn them? |
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| 19:08.37 | zinx | quechec: ah, your parethesizing was in the wrong place for that |
| 19:08.40 | sney | pmo, you can probably use the sid version |
| 19:08.46 | sney | ,v aircrack-ng |
| 19:08.48 | judd | Package: aircrack-ng on i386 -- lenny: 1:1.0~rc1-2; sid: 1:1.1-5 |
| 19:08.51 | pmo | svn seems safer |
| 19:08.57 | Arrowmaster | yeah its in sid |
| 19:09.01 | Arrowmaster | why would you think that |
| 19:09.16 | sney | the sid version is what would have been in wheezy if the maintainer had his act together at the right time |
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| 19:09.19 | zinx | quechec: it's still 2^4194304 which is 512MB |
| 19:09.19 | sney | instead of months later |
| 19:09.52 | quechec | zinx: I just want it as an e-number. Is that a problem in 2k13 ? |
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| 19:10.10 | zinx | quechec: without a specialized utility, yes |
| 19:10.28 | quechec | zinx: I didn't say without a specialized utility |
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| 19:10.43 | zinx | quechec: i do not know the name of such a utility, sadly |
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| 19:12.10 | zinx | quechec: the number you're looking for is ~10^380083.87865970071176755311 |
| 19:12.55 | zinx | quechec: if that helps :/ |
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| 19:16.31 | quechec | zinx: you're right; the term I did first post is not the one I wanted the result of. That's the number: '(((2^2)^(2^2))^((2^2)^(2^2)))^(((2^2)^(2^2))^((2^2)^(2^2)))' |
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| 19:16.46 | quechec | zinx: right, it's enough to know the amount of digits :) |
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| 19:17.41 | pmo | i added aircrack-ng from http://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/main/a/aircrack-ng/ |
| 19:17.44 | pmo | works fine |
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| 19:17.59 | quechec | zinx: so it has about 380k digits. Interesting |
| 19:18.40 | quechec | zinx: sorry, you posted you were doing something else now. Could you tell me how you got that answer, please? |
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| 19:19.13 | zinx | quechec: logarithms |
| 19:19.15 | raccoon_ | i'm trying to apply the debian patch set to an original 3.2.37 source gotten from the stable kernel git repo. the debian scripts/patches have been exported from the debian pub scm repos |
| 19:19.23 | raccoon_ | i'm getting this message while trying to apply the patches: |
| 19:19.25 | raccoon_ | http://pastebin.com/EXLG6mbj |
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| 19:19.45 | quechec | zinx: what's the line? |
| 19:19.48 | raccoon_ | the error is not very verbose... not to my knowledge that is :D |
| 19:20.15 | zinx | quechec: see ##math ;P |
| 19:20.42 | quechec | zinx: you're not in there, right? |
| 19:20.50 | zinx | quechec: nope |
| 19:21.03 | quechec | zinx: can you give me the line please? Maybe in a bin if it is too large |
| 19:21.36 | zinx | quechec: it's not too large, but you probably need to know how to work with logarithms, and i don't really have the time to explain |
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| 19:22.45 | quechec | zinx: I am not going to urge you teaching me Math in #debian |
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| 19:31.13 | quechec | zinx: you really posted an answer without providing the way you retrieved it? Thanks anyway for mentioning those two calc tools |
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| 19:32.21 | zinx | quechec: hey, gotta keep people learning somehow |
| 19:32.46 | zinx | quechec: i did say learn how to use logarithms to calculate exponents ;P |
| 19:32.55 | redcheckers | hmmn. |
| 19:33.02 | redcheckers | i still need a calculator, but i need one w/ eex :-/ |
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| 19:36.08 | quechec | does one know a math tool that calculates exponential terms resulting in numbers with maybe hundreds of thousands of digits (displaying as e-numbers)? |
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| 19:40.41 | Uranio | I'm trying to compile nokogiri (gem install nokogiri) the dependencys are installed but it don't fin it |
| 19:40.46 | Uranio | any idea with it? |
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| 19:42.57 | nkuttler | !tell Uranio about errors |
| 19:43.09 | nkuttler | ,v ruby-nokogiri |
| 19:43.10 | judd | Package: ruby-nokogiri on i386 -- sid: 1.5.5-1; wheezy: 1.5.5-1 |
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| 19:44.14 | Uranio | yeah... but I don't use ruby from debain package, after ask in #ruby their don't know why fail the compilation and send me to ask on #debian |
| 19:44.29 | Uranio | start a infinite loop |
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| 19:45.37 | Arrowmaster | unless youve got some compiler output sounds like you need to go back to #ruby and figure out how to get some |
| 19:45.47 | HardDisk_WP | hey all |
| 19:46.00 | HardDisk_WP | i got a courier-imapd with ssl, users are plain unix users |
| 19:46.10 | HardDisk_WP | for one user, all works fine |
| 19:46.29 | HardDisk_WP | but when another user tries to login, courier drops the conneciton without error message |
| 19:46.35 | HardDisk_WP | how do I debug that? |
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| 19:51.42 | nkuttler | HardDisk_WP: turn up the loglevel? |
| 19:52.13 | HardDisk_WP | nkuttler, how? the only debuglevel i could find is in authdaemon config, and turning it up doesn't show anything unusual |
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| 19:52.29 | HardDisk_WP | the syslog authdaemon entries look for the broken user exactly same as for the working users |
| 19:52.53 | Uranio | Arrowmaster: checking for libxml/parser.h... *** extconf.rb failed *** |
| 19:52.54 | Uranio | Could not create Makefile due to some reason, probably lack of |
| 19:53.17 | Arrowmaster | you probably are lacking the dev package needed |
| 19:53.33 | HardDisk_WP | the only difference is that for the broken user, the line Jan 22 20:49:43 xx imapd-ssl: LOGIN, user=xxx, ip=[::ffff:89.238.xxxxx], port=[37503], protocol=IMAP doesnt appear |
| 19:53.42 | HardDisk_WP | so the problem is somewhere in imapd-sssl |
| 19:54.24 | Uranio | Arrowmaster: where could I get hte libiconv headers? |
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| 20:02.34 | eightysixed | This might be the wrong place to ask, and if it is, I apologize, just point me in the right direction :) I remember running into this problem YEARS ago, so I've forgotten how I fixed it. But I recently just had to fresh install the whole box (6 Squeeze). Now all pages that require any type of login do not work in a Chrome browser. Firefox, IE, Opera, everything is fine. I know this is more of a apache/php question, sorry :( |
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| 20:03.50 | quechec | One reason why one should make the path public one took to a solution so that mistakes are reproducible. Especially as a Debian user one should know that. The number you posted has nothing to do with the term I posted. It's more like this: http://codepad.org/Rh5Cu5nM |
| 20:04.18 | supa_user | dpkg: error processing srvadmin-hapi (--configure): subprocess installed post-installation script returned error exit status 156. can anyone help me figure out what that means? |
| 20:04.19 | dpkg | supa_user: That isn't an error, post the whole output to a pastebin (/msg dpkg pastebin). |
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| 20:04.41 | quechec | zinx: One reason why one should make the path public one took to a solution so that mistakes are reproducible. Especially as a Debian user one should know that. The number you posted has nothing to do with the term I posted. It's more like this: http://codepad.org/Rh5Cu5nM |
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| 20:06.26 | supa_user | http://paste.debian.net/227559/ any ideas? |
| 20:07.07 | zinx | quechec: well, there you go, don't trust random IRC guys without much time to make sure the number they gave is accurate |
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| 20:08.25 | quechec | zinx: I was wondering anyway that it should be that few digits and just enquired the path you took |
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| 20:09.34 | themill | supa_user: where's this srvadmin-all package from? And what kernel are you running on there? |
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| 20:11.01 | supa_user | themill: http://linux.dell.com/repo/community/deb/latest running in a chroot in a different linux. I have several others that work this way though |
| 20:11.44 | themill | supa_user: the package is trying to load kernel modules -- that isn't something that should be happening in a chroot, as a general rule |
| 20:12.20 | supa_user | themill: yep, it's loaded outside already. it's trying to unload it and it fails b/c it doesn't exist |
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| 20:16.50 | supa_user | themill: why did you ask for the kernel version? just because of the module unload error? |
| 20:17.13 | themill | the module error is the problem here |
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| 20:18.19 | UukGoblin | hmm, I have a postscript file in landscape, I'd like to rotate it 90deg clockwise and convert it to portrait... can't figure out how to do it with pstops, it keeps cropping it badly |
| 20:18.22 | supa_user | themill: I think I found it. I was too prepared. If I unload dell_rbu from outside the chroot the install completes |
| 20:18.40 | supa_user | thanks for the pointers |
| 20:18.55 | UukGoblin | probably the wrong place for the question actually - but can't think of where to ask it |
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| 20:19.35 | johndo | which program installs files from a package onto the system? dpkg itself or does it call a helper program like cpio? |
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| 20:22.18 | jordanm | johndo, .deb files are ar archives, but dpkg actually performs the extraction |
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| 20:22.51 | johndo | jordanm: any idea what can cause that some files from a package don't get installed? |
| 20:23.11 | johndo | (without any error messages from apt/dpkg) |
| 20:23.35 | jordanm | they are not in the archive or are delete by postinst |
| 20:23.54 | jordanm | or |
| 20:24.00 | jordanm | !confmiss |
| 20:24.00 | dpkg | You have to especially tell the packaging system to reinstall config files because when they are gone, it is assumed that you want them to stay deleted. "aptitude -o DPkg::Options::='--force-confmiss' reinstall $packagename" will restore them (man dpkg for details). If the package uses <ucf> for config file management, ask me about <ucf confmiss>. |
| 20:24.23 | themill | johndo: can you be more specific about what package and what files? |
| 20:24.23 | johndo | jordanm: not config files |
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| 20:24.47 | johndo | themill: e.g. e2fsprogs, /usr/share/doc/e2fsprogs/copyright |
| 20:26.19 | themill | johndo: you don't have some sort of dpkg path exclude configured, do you? |
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| 20:26.42 | johndo | themill: i do not even know what that is ;) |
| 20:27.06 | johndo | so i may or may not, how do i chaek that? |
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| 20:27.08 | themill | johndo: run an fsck recently? |
| 20:27.37 | johndo | themill: i just have upgraded the system |
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| 20:27.49 | themill | johndo: squeeze->wheezy? |
| 20:27.53 | johndo | and i have the same (wrong) copyright file on 2 different machines |
| 20:27.59 | johndo | themill: yes |
| 20:28.28 | themill | johndo: so the file is missing after upgrade? |
| 20:28.41 | johndo | someone having squeeze and can check the md5sum of the file /usr/share/doc/e2fsprogs/copyright? |
| 20:28.50 | johndo | themill: no, it's there |
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| 20:29.06 | johndo | but with ewrong md5sum |
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| 20:29.19 | themill | squeeze is 3d8387c301f4c74d246b922a0a3afe49; wheezy is 51a47eee51e75de66777fc781af2f063 |
| 20:29.31 | jhutchins | johndo: 3d8387c301f4c74d246b922a0a3afe49 |
| 20:29.39 | rozie | 3d8387c301f4c74d246b922a0a3afe49 /usr/share/doc/e2fsprogs/copyright |
| 20:30.03 | johndo | themill, jhutchins: hmm, doesn't match for squeeze too :( |
| 20:30.10 | johndo | 726570c997e520841dbf8f7611b173ae /usr/share/doc/e2fsprogs/copyright |
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| 20:30.31 | themill | johndo: can you pastebin the file? |
| 20:30.40 | rozie | I have exactly as themill says. but unstable instead of wheezy |
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| 20:31.24 | themill | johndo: have you run "debsums -s"? |
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| 20:32.02 | johndo | themill: debsums --changed |
| 20:32.22 | themill | and that's all it reported? |
| 20:33.00 | johndo | themill: http://paste.debian.net/227571/ |
| 20:33.11 | johndo | themill: no, some other files too |
| 20:34.00 | themill | johndo: what does "apt-cache policy e2fsprogs; apt-cache policy" show? |
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| 20:34.49 | johndo | themill: it's the version from wheezy, 1.42.5-1 |
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| 20:35.30 | johndo | themill: http://paste.debian.net/227572/ |
| 20:36.00 | johndo | themill: http://paste.debian.net/227573/ |
| 20:37.14 | johndo | themill: and the checksums are ok when i extract the package with dpkg-deb -R |
| 20:38.52 | themill | nothing in /etc/dpkg/dpkg.cfg or /etc/dpkg/dpkg.cfg.d/ ? |
| 20:39.41 | themill | (the copyright file you have is also not from lenny... I'd love to know where it did come from) |
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| 20:40.00 | johndo | themill: /etc/dpkg/dpkg.cfg: no-debsig, log /var/log/dpkg.log (both entries not from me afaicr) |
| 20:40.08 | johndo | /etc/dpkg/dpkg.cfg.d/ empty |
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| 20:40.28 | johndo | btw a reinstallation fixes the file ;) |
| 20:40.34 | themill | hm |
| 20:40.55 | johndo | doen't make me trust more in the package installation mechanism ... |
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| 20:41.16 | johndo | does dpkg dislike noatime? |
| 20:41.20 | themill | johndo: the only time I've seen things like this was with a dying hard disk controller. |
| 20:41.31 | themill | but if you're seeing this on more than one machine |
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| 20:42.09 | johndo | themill: yes, i guess filesystem or hardware errors would casue more defects |
| 20:42.23 | johndo | and i think the file would lokk somewhat scrambled |
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| 20:45.25 | supa_user | themill: all working, thx for the pointers |
| 20:45.32 | themill | np |
| 20:45.43 | johndo | themill: the strange thing is that all checksum errors are for files under /usr/share/doc |
| 20:45.51 | johndo | is that directory handled specially? |
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| 20:46.25 | jhutchins | johndo: What's your partition structure? |
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| 20:46.36 | themill | I don't believe so, but there are options to exclude paths from dpkg extraction and people normally use them with /u/s/doc to remove documentation they don't want |
| 20:47.13 | johndo | jhutchins: different on the 2 machines, one with all in a single partition, the other with separate /, /usr, /var, .. |
| 20:47.18 | johndo | all local mounts |
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| 20:47.51 | johndo | and all ext4 if that matters |
| 20:48.19 | invariant | Is there also a community system for configuration management that is not tied to some company? |
| 20:48.40 | invariant | I don't like how Puppet for example obfuscates their language. |
| 20:48.42 | themill | invariant: what does "configuration management" mean |
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| 20:49.54 | invariant | themill, Operating System configuration management |
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| 20:52.27 | invariant | themill, I know you asked that question as if I asked an ambiguous question, but in reality it is completely clear what kind of configuration management I am talking of, because you can assume I am talking about the most commonly talked type if you are a good communicator. |
| 20:52.47 | invariant | themill, as such, I don't really see why such smugness is appropriate. |
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| 20:53.53 | themill | invariant: there are lots of things may want to configure and lots of projects to do so. It's not unreasonable to suppose that you are thinking of configuration management for a mail server which could be done entire through ldap in which case one of the various ldap frontends might be what you are looking for |
| 20:55.12 | themill | but then a number of us have had this discussion about how damned good you think you are before and it has got us nowhere and you still can't ask a question in a way that will generate useful answers. |
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| 21:00.54 | johndo | anybody knows if the file /var/lib/dpkg/available is used for anything else then dselect? and if it's safe to purge that file if you never use dselect? |
| 21:01.21 | johndo | dpkg moans about invalid version numbers in that file, it looks like they are from old entries from obsolete packages |
| 21:01.21 | dpkg | I think you lost me on that one, johndo |
| 21:01.38 | themill | !available |
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| 21:01.38 | dpkg | If /var/lib/dpkg/available is corrupted (or generating warnings about illegal version numbers etc), "apt-cache dumpavail > /var/lib/dpkg/available && dpkg --update-avail /var/lib/dpkg/available". Alternatively, you can try "rm /var/lib/dpkg/available; dselect update". |
| 21:01.49 | themill | johndo: I believe it's only used by dselect |
| 21:02.27 | johndo | themill: i know that i can recreate it with apt, but it leads to a much larger file (about 30 MB) which only wastes space |
| 21:02.47 | johndo | so i saw the dpkg option -clear-avail :) |
| 21:03.04 | johndo | i guess i try it .. |
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| 21:24.23 | TheWarden | Hi, is it true that the gzip file compress doesn't have a file structure and therefore this is why most times a multiple files are put within a tarball and then gzipped? |
| 21:25.20 | dondelelcaro | TheWarden: pretty much |
| 21:26.08 | tremon | that's pretty much true for all unix-style compressors |
| 21:26.25 | TheWarden | dondelelcaro: Oh okay, I wasn't aware of this. |
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| 21:26.44 | TheWarden | tremon: oh really so there is variant of gzip that does allow multiple files with a file structure? |
| 21:27.14 | tremon | TheWarden: no, there are more alternatives to gzip that don't handle file structure either |
| 21:27.42 | TheWarden | tremon: oh okay |
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| 21:27.46 | AimHere | There are other archivers, like rar and zip that do both jobs. Unix, being unix tends to make it more modular |
| 21:28.04 | AimHere | Hence tar and compress/gzip/bzip2 |
| 21:28.12 | TheWarden | oh yes of course I know there is other archive compressions, I Was just referring to gzip only. |
| 21:28.30 | pc_magas | Fellows Do you know how to install a sauerbraten server to debian squeeze? |
| 21:29.54 | tremon | TheWarden: there are already good file archival options available (ar, tar, cpio), so no reason to duplicate that behaviour |
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| 21:30.41 | TheWarden | tremon: not trying to just learning more about gzip that's all. |
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| 21:31.24 | johndo | is anybody else here using mount option noatime? |
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| 21:35.03 | Arrowmaster | johndo: because its the default, most are using relatime which is similar to noatime |
| 21:35.33 | johndo | crazy things are going on ... |
| 21:35.42 | johndo | i can only hope noatime is the reason |
| 21:36.06 | johndo | reinstalling one package fixes the checksum errors, but breaks another package |
| 21:36.28 | johndo | reinstalling the other package fixes that package, but break the first package again ... |
| 21:36.48 | tremon | johndo: you need to provide way more information if you expect to get useful advice |
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| 21:38.01 | Arrowmaster | what is doing the checksums? |
| 21:38.41 | milovan | hi, is there a muon packaged for debian? i googled like 1 hour and couldnt find it |
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| 21:38.55 | raptor67682 | hellow |
| 21:38.57 | milovan | (debian wheezy to be precised) |
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| 21:39.31 | johndo | tremon: that's the log http://paste.debian.net/227611/ |
| 21:39.36 | raptor67682 | Please would you know how to change the keymap easily ( to switch) under the virtual console (alt f1,..6.)?? |
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| 21:39.57 | johndo | debian wheezy, updated from squeeze today |
| 21:40.15 | johndo | same behaviour on a different machine |
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| 21:43.48 | milovan | pretty weird that kde debian has no decent package manager of its own(Muon anyone?), without borrowing synaptic from gnome while every other kde distro has some kind of manager |
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| 21:45.48 | Arrowmaster | milovan: meh to gui package managers, just stick with the aptitude ncurses ui imho |
| 21:47.10 | johndo | tremon: any other information you want to know? |
| 21:47.14 | tremon | johndo: verified here too, the md5sums don't match. not sure where the bug is though, debsums is just reporting what it finds |
| 21:47.43 | tremon | I'm not sure when or where the package md5sums are generated |
| 21:47.56 | milovan | Arrowmaster: I can and I do, but others in the company that are not used to the linux or command line want a gui package manage |
| 21:48.08 | johndo | tremon: debsum is right, if you extract the package the installed files do not match the files in the package |
| 21:48.20 | milovan | which naturally every single distro i tried provides for desktop users |
| 21:48.36 | johndo | tremon: the md5sums are in the package |
| 21:48.53 | johndo | and they are correct for the files which are included in the package too |
| 21:49.20 | Arrowmaster | milovan: this on squeeze or wheezy? the wheezy task for kde shows apper which looks to be a package manager |
| 21:50.13 | tremon | johndo: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=687611 |
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| 21:51.47 | johndo | tremon: thanks |
| 21:52.00 | johndo | but it looks like against the wrong package |
| 21:52.12 | tremon | johndo: the other packages may be worthy of bugreports too, especially if you can identify the package that is altering the files |
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| 21:52.39 | johndo | tremon: that will be the hard part |
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| 21:53.00 | milovan | Arrowmaster: wheezy, and Apper is ... well at least in kubuntu didnt show nor well nor stable so i am still thinking if i can replace it with lets say muon |
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| 21:54.40 | tremon | well you already were quite far, you have it narrowed down to a few. It'd be a relatively safe bet to try to find out if e2fsprogs and e2fsck-static modify each other's files (maybe they symlink each other's /usr/share/ dir?) |
| 21:55.09 | Yoshi1 | anyone know how to dualscreen using an hdmi port my system isnt detecting my hdmi port at all it seems |
| 21:55.28 | dondelelcaro | Yoshi1: what is the output of xrandr? |
| 21:55.33 | dondelelcaro | (use a paste site if you would) |
| 21:55.43 | Arrowmaster | milovan: i would at least suggest trying it on debian, i doubt something highly unstable would be made a default install |
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| 21:55.54 | Yoshi1 | dondelelcaro: HDMI1 disconnected (normal left inverted right x axis y axis) |
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| 21:56.22 | dondelelcaro | Yoshi1: and you have something plugged into the HDMI port which is on? |
| 21:56.42 | Yoshi1 | dondelelcaro: yeah a second monitor plugged in and powered up |
| 21:57.01 | dondelelcaro | Yoshi1: ok, it'd help to see the full output of xrandr, though. |
| 21:58.31 | Yoshi1 | dondelelcaro: http://paste.debian.net/227632/ |
| 21:58.33 | milovan | Arrowmaster: ok will give it a try. Thanks. Still I couldnt fid any information if Debian will package Muon, plans... nothing! |
| 21:59.21 | tremon | milovan: debian needs you! (points finger and looks stern) |
| 22:00.02 | jhutchins | milovan: I didn't find anything on the first page of a google search for "muon" that would be relevant to linux or debian. |
| 22:00.33 | tremon | Yoshi1: what driver are you using? |
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| 22:00.59 | dondelelcaro | Yoshi1: hrm. dunno; it should show up if it gets connected and detected. It's possible that the driver doesn't support the hdmi input or something else, but I'm not sure |
| 22:01.07 | Yoshi1 | tremon: nouveau |
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| 22:01.18 | milovan | jhutchins: muon suite for example can help you search on Gogle |
| 22:01.29 | dondelelcaro | Yoshi1: I was asking for the full output because it's not unusual for devices to be named improperly |
| 22:01.40 | Yoshi1 | it's an optimus enabled laptop :{ |
| 22:01.45 | Yoshi1 | i think thats the source of the issue |
| 22:01.49 | milovan | tremon: it looks like.. :D I hoped someone started packaging but it didnt i d be happy to take a look in iit |
| 22:02.02 | johndo | when a debian package has any pre or postinstall or pre or postremove scripts how do I get these scripts? |
| 22:02.29 | johndo | shouldn't they be under the DEBIAN directory when I unpack the package with dpkg-deb -R ? |
| 22:02.30 | tremon | Yoshi1: https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=130734 ? |
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| 22:03.04 | Arrowmaster | milovan: i found http://bugs.debian.org/605906 but it doesnt look promising |
| 22:03.20 | Yoshi1 | tremon: yeah i've thought of using the proprietary drivers but i cant find any tutorials on how to install them on debian wheezy |
| 22:03.33 | Yoshi1 | tremon: i've also heard they cause quite a mess |
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| 22:03.46 | Yoshi1 | placing files willy nilly and not logging where shit goes |
| 22:04.02 | tremon | Yoshi1: read further, apparently some people have made it work |
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| 22:04.26 | Arrowmaster | dpkg: tell Yoshi1 about nvidia dkms wheezy |
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| 22:05.25 | milovan | Arrowmaster: yup, saw it. anyone thanks a bunch for a help or at least a try :) |
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| 22:05.35 | milovan | anyway* |
| 22:06.22 | Yoshi1 | Arrowmaster: used that it doesnt work |
| 22:06.57 | Yoshi1 | Arrowmaster: when ever i make a xorg.conf file that tells the system to use nvidia i cant get an xsession |
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| 22:09.43 | Arrowmaster | oh you said its an optimus laptop, no clue then |
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| 22:11.18 | Yoshi1 | Arrowmaster: dell xps 15 yeah it has the optimus technology and i spent a weekend trying to get the nividia stuff to work including that method with help from a couple people here. i currently use bumblebee to get use of the nvidia card but that doesnt give me functions like the hdmi port |
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| 22:18.27 | Zeeflo | is there some samba command that shows me what is being accessed rigth now? |
| 22:19.20 | petemc | smbstatus |
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| 22:21.14 | Zeeflo | gracias! |
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| 22:23.32 | Yoshi1 | hmmm apprently this is a well known issue and nvidia doesnt even write support for linux where the optimus technology is concerned |
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| 22:30.51 | jhutchins | Yoshi1: Yeah, like I said earlier, everybody has trouble with it. |
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| 22:32.06 | jhutchins | milovan: Feh. GUI wrappers just make a mess of package managers. aptitude from the console, using the menu interface in extreme cases. |
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| 22:42.22 | Yoshi1 | anyone know anything about ironhide? |
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| 22:43.09 | Yoshi1 | oh damn thats only ubuntu |
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| 22:45.08 | wols_ | Yoshi1: it's bumblebee now |
| 22:45.38 | ps-auxw | Yoshi1: http://wiki.debian.org/Bumblebee - Look at this. It gives step by step instructions for building it on debian |
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| 22:47.15 | Yoshi1 | ps-auxw: yeah using bumblebee but i came across ironhide figured i'd ask |
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| 22:47.36 | ps-auxw | ironhide is the predecessor. |
| 22:47.41 | Yoshi1 | ah |
| 22:47.45 | ps-auxw | I'm using it. |
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| 22:48.23 | Yoshi1 | the annoying thing is i got real used to the multi tasking ability that the hdmi port game me and now i dont have it |
| 22:49.48 | ps-auxw | It's probably better to concentrate on one problem at a time. First get the nvidia chip working with bumblebee, then look into setting up the intel chip to work with too screens. Or the other way around. |
| 22:49.51 | Yoshi1 | maybe the solution for now is to find a plug conversion allowing me to use my hdmi only external monitor in my vga port |
| 22:50.07 | Yoshi1 | ps-auxw: bumble already works properly |
| 22:50.12 | ps-auxw | Aah. |
| 22:50.24 | ps-auxw | So your only problem is getting the dual screen set up? |
| 22:50.37 | Yoshi1 | ps-auxw: yeah |
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| 22:51.45 | ps-auxw | Did you try connecting the second screen and "xrandr -q"? |
| 22:52.16 | Yoshi1 | ps-auxw: it says the hdmi port is disconnected |
| 22:52.32 | ps-auxw | I see, no idea then. |
| 22:52.42 | Yoshi1 | http://paste.debian.net/227649/ |
| 22:54.41 | Yoshi1 | ps-auxw: but yeah i know it's a pain |
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| 22:57.55 | Leoneof | hello, no torrent link for wheezy beta4 ? |
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| 23:01.43 | Leoneof | :\ |
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| 23:08.13 | temporarybadge | someone suggest a laptop that does packet injection but doesn't require intel blobs |
| 23:08.35 | DigitRig | what's the aplay command to generate a wav (not playing a file but actually generate a frequency)? |
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| 23:28.31 | DigitRig | what's the easiest way to poll for keyboard/mouse input in the terminal? |
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| 23:29.04 | MrFrood | DigitRig: in what context? |
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| 23:29.40 | DigitRig | MrFrood in the context to detecing the IR>USB input of a remote control, in order to be able to know which bindings to change in the XBMC xml files... |
| 23:31.17 | MrFrood | so you want to monitor an X-input-device |
| 23:31.48 | DigitRig | MrFrood, I'm not sure what an x-input-device is (kind of new to all this), but I have a remote control that sends IR signals to a reciever, which is connected the PC via USB |
| 23:32.16 | DigitRig | I guess I was hoping to know what each button is being deteceted as, so that I can change the XBMC bindings accordingly and get the most out of the rmeote in that context.... |
| 23:32.31 | MrFrood | the device is manged by X? |
| 23:33.08 | DigitRig | I would assume so because it works out of the box with xbmc, just with the commands i Had in mind for the buttons |
| 23:34.23 | themill | xev will show you if it's generating keypress events |
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| 23:35.02 | MrFrood | I'm guessing that you need to google evdev |
| 23:35.11 | MrFrood | or what themill said |
| 23:35.19 | ranok | gelato? |
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| 23:36.38 | n3lthon | hi |
| 23:36.41 | n3lthon | im having some iptables troubles, i want to do nat like the router does, but it is not working. by default input and forward are with reject and my rules are http://paste.debian.net/227668/ |
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| 23:46.13 | BullShark | how do i upgrade these packages that are "held back"? http://vpaste.net/LFy6I?bg=dark |
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| 23:47.17 | themill | BullShark: what release of debian is that? |
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| 23:47.32 | jordanm | looks like ubuntu |
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| 23:50.32 | BullShark | it's not ubuntu. i used visudo to configure the users of wheel group to use sudo. |
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| 23:51.44 | jordanm | BullShark, debian does not provide kernel packages with "-generic" |
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| 23:52.09 | BullShark | jordanm -> it's linux mint. my question is really about apt though. |
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| 23:52.21 | jordanm | !based on debian |
| 23:52.21 | dpkg | Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't and cannot know what changes were made by your distribution (compare http://futurist.se/gldt/). #debian only supports Debian; please respect our choice to volunteer here to help Debian users. Support for other distributions is off-topic on #debian, even if your own distro's channel is clueless or non-existent. |
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| 23:52.33 | abrotman | BullShark: this channel supports Debian, not things based on it, have a nice day |
| 23:52.43 | themill | BullShark: this is #debian not a generic apt channel. We can't know what has happened with the dependencies for your packages. |
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| 23:54.54 | petemc | abrotman: was that necessary? |
| 23:55.02 | abrotman | whihc part? |
| 23:55.06 | petemc | both |
| 23:55.20 | themill | petemc: you didn't have the joy of /msg from him |
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| 23:55.30 | petemc | oh |
| 23:55.32 | abrotman | a 10 minute timeout for being offtopic? or having him string together a pile of expletives in msg ? |
| 23:56.02 | petemc | perhaps the initial +q wasnt too well received |
| 23:56.26 | abrotman | he knows he's offtopic, lies about running Debian |
| 23:56.38 | petemc | a common issue |
| 23:57.03 | petemc | but its not my place to judge anwyays, so never mind |
| 23:57.03 | abrotman | right, so let it continue .. it'll get better .. |
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