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| 00:07.48 | md_5 | How can I install python 2.7 on debian 6? |
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| 00:08.18 | themill | md_5: there's no nice way. What specifically inpython 2.7 do you need? |
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| 00:08.38 | md_5 | the program I am running needs it. Can I perhaps use the backports? |
| 00:08.42 | md_5 | backports repo |
| 00:08.46 | abrotman | there is no backport for it |
| 00:08.51 | themill | In what way does it need it? |
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| 00:08.59 | md_5 | soo, compile mysel |
| 00:09.00 | md_5 | f |
| 00:09.02 | md_5 | not sure |
| 00:09.18 | wols_ | md_5: maybe switch to wheezy? |
| 00:09.28 | themill | knowing this would be handy... there's a reasonable chance you don't need to go to the trouble of compiling it at all |
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| 00:09.40 | md_5 | wols_ nah, I;'m moving this from my home wheezy server to my remote 6 one |
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| 00:12.59 | meshug | hello, i am interested to install debian sid, is it very upto date, like sabayon, archlinux, etc? |
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| 00:15.23 | md_5 | so I got it installed, but no sqlite modules |
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| 00:15.53 | tharkun | To run a 32 bit program on a 64 bit machine |
| 00:17.36 | abrotman | tharkun: huh? |
| 00:18.02 | TheWarden | how does one decompress a gzip archive to a specific destination? I've tried doing gunzip -d test.xml.gz > /dir/test.xml and it just decompressed to the current working directory. |
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| 00:18.30 | themill | TheWarden: -c |
| 00:18.49 | tharkun | hmm Sorry, It was more of a though than an actual question. I need to run a 32 bit program on a 64 bit Debian machine. IIRC there is something I need to install but at the moment I'm away from my notes. |
| 00:19.00 | abrotman | ia32-libs ? |
| 00:19.01 | the-croupier | is there another way to see what is the system doing...appart from dmesg? |
| 00:19.02 | tharkun | abrotman: ^^ |
| 00:19.39 | tharkun | abrotman: thanks you actually read my mind :) |
| 00:19.48 | tharkun | the-croupier: what is your actual problem? |
| 00:20.42 | petemc | the-croupier: tail -f /var/log/auth.log /var/log/syslog /var/log/whatever | ccze |
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| 00:21.00 | the-croupier | tharkun, when i log in...it says there is something wrong with gnome3 but it seems to run fine afterwards... i want to see why is it reporting something like this |
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| 00:21.39 | tharkun | the-croupier: ~/.xsession-errors is your file :) |
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| 00:24.09 | TheWarden | themill: ahh okay, not sure I understand why to use -c when the archive is already created. Also then do I have to manually remove the gzipped archive then or is there a way to make gzip still do this? |
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| 00:27.49 | the-croupier | this is where i am at the moment...i get the same error: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=665290 |
| 00:29.19 | justmeh | GetDistroUpgrades not supported by backend |
| 00:29.24 | justmeh | ^-- @ the-croupier |
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| 00:31.54 | the-croupier | i read all the page...i still didnt figure out... what would be the best adviced action to follow? |
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| 00:32.58 | secher | Heyas all. Does anyone have an idea why an Atheros AR8121 Gb NIC would be running at 10Mb on an otherwise Gb network under Sid? |
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| 00:33.26 | abrotman | ethtool to change the settings |
| 00:33.38 | abrotman | just like i said on the other network when you asked 10 minutes ago |
| 00:33.52 | abrotman | secher: if you prefer, i'll just drive over and fix it for you :) |
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| 00:34.24 | wols_ | wonders what the on site rate is that abrotman charges for this service |
| 00:34.37 | abrotman | wols_: pints per hour? :) |
| 00:34.46 | TheWarden | so I do gunzip -c test.xml.gz > /temp/test.xml and that works fine but now it's leaving behind the uncompressed archive test.xml.gz. Can I make gunzip still remove this or do I have to manually delete it? |
| 00:35.39 | bear_naked | Hi all - I've got a printer question... |
| 00:35.42 | bear_naked | I've got a Dell 5100cn printer I'm trying to get working in debian... there is an rpm driver that I've had some success at getting working with alien, but with the occasional odd error. |
| 00:35.46 | abrotman | secher: another possibility may be that firmware is required for Gb part |
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| 00:36.30 | bear_naked | I've recently found this ppd which looks promising but have no clue hwo to make it work: http://www.cups.org/ppd.php?L484 |
| 00:36.38 | bear_naked | is that cups driver an actual driver, or soemthing more specific? |
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| 00:37.27 | wols_ | it's a printer description file. and since that printer uses postscript, there is no driver really necessary |
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| 00:38.26 | bear_naked | wols_: really? no driver? How would I make that work?? |
| 00:39.52 | bear_naked | my exact situation is that my home office uses this printer with the alien'd rpm driver over ethernet (192.168.1.130), and I'm trying to get it to wirk on my kids' pc as well... hopefully better than the way it works in my office |
| 00:40.02 | bear_naked | s/wirk/work/ |
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| 00:40.40 | wols_ | bear_naked: all printing in linux is postscript by default. so "no driver" :) |
| 00:41.18 | petemc | bear_naked: if you're using cups you can point it towards the ppd file via the cups web interface |
| 00:41.46 | bear_naked | I think I'm confused... so we're not counting the ppd as a "driver"? |
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| 00:42.35 | petemc | it is, in the context of software to make hardware work |
| 00:42.56 | wols_ | bear_naked: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PostScript_Printer_Description |
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| 00:43.58 | bear_naked | cool - thx for the link... I'll read up. |
| 00:44.06 | bear_naked | but... can such a ppd implementation also provide things like remaining toner levels? |
| 00:44.13 | petemc | nope |
| 00:44.21 | bear_naked | ah. I do get that with the alien'd rpm driver. hmm. |
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| 00:46.09 | bear_naked | what about duplex mode, etc? |
| 00:46.35 | bear_naked | on quick readup I'm wondering whether this ppd approach is really about getting the printer to, at a basic level, just print whatever postscript I throw at it. More advanced features require a more advanced driver... |
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| 00:48.15 | petemc | using only ppd files, i get duplex, tray, etc options with the kyocera devices i use |
| 00:48.25 | petemc | with cups |
| 00:49.19 | bear_naked | ok.... I do see that the Adobe PPD spec (240 pages of it!) has references for duplex and such. I'll try it and see. |
| 00:49.28 | canvon | abrotman: perhaps the +q on BullShark would have been received better if it had been clear that it was a *temporary* measure for just a few minutes; and that it was for being offtopic on #debian specifically, not a witch-hunt on everyone who (perhaps only sometimes) uses another distribution... |
| 00:49.42 | bear_naked | thx all. Now to look up what the heck the "cups web interface" is... :) |
| 00:50.02 | abrotman | canvon: see /topic, thank you |
| 00:50.07 | canvon | :( |
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| 00:50.21 | petemc | bear_naked: its the standard way to configure cups, localhost:631 |
| 00:50.58 | bear_naked | thx... and unfortuantely "adding printers and classes" is getting me a "500 internal server error"... sigh |
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| 00:51.12 | petemc | you need to authenticate |
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| 00:55.09 | bear_naked | ok - this appears to get me what I need: http://wiki.debian.org/SystemPrinting#Installation |
| 00:55.09 | bear_naked | thx again all |
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| 01:02.33 | methods | shouldn't apt look at the Release file in a source to determine if it should try to look for i386 ? |
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| 01:04.02 | WarkAngel | Hi ppl |
| 01:04.04 | WarkAngel | :p |
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| 01:05.13 | WarkAngel | I need some help with configuration dns-server + dhcp-server + NTP on debian |
| 01:05.44 | WarkAngel | Just one question |
| 01:05.59 | WarkAngel | What should i install and configure first |
| 01:06.08 | WarkAngel | there is any order ? |
| 01:06.51 | Armand | My own assumption would be dhcpd, as you'll need IP addresses on your LAN first? O.o |
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| 01:08.33 | canvon | but if you configure aour dhcp server to give a certain NIC / MAC address a fixed IP, you could base that of the internal DNS zone, so perhaps configure DNS server before |
| 01:09.09 | WarkAngel | Ok :) |
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| 01:09.28 | WarkAngel | Thanks for the answer. |
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| 01:09.59 | foolfool | Having trouble keeping connectivity to default gateway alive |
| 01:10.00 | foolfool | http://pastebin.com/EQ7Un8fx |
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| 01:12.26 | Rprp` | For some reason I've got a memory hog in my system, I've tried to disable almost all services in chkconfig by bootup, but still it boots and hangs almost directly (cant execute top/ps aux/netstat etc anymore.) - When I boot up in single mode, the system works fine. I cant find anything in dmesg (it just kills random services). Anyone got an idea? |
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| 01:15.20 | Infiltrator | Rprp`: How long since it was a clean system? Did the problem start suddenly? What do you remember installing/changing just before the problem started? |
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| 01:16.14 | Rprp` | Infiltrator: the problem started suddenly, about a year clean system. Nothing has changed so far as I know |
| 01:17.59 | Infiltrator | Rprp`: Try booting into single-user mode and adding a ps logging script (just ps and output to a file) as one of the first things to init. That might help you track it down. |
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| 01:19.35 | Infiltrator | Rprp`: If you have basic scripting knowledge, these should help you get started: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-enterprise-47/cpu-mem-ps-output-to-file-script-481659/ http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/22093/piping-ps-output-into-a-text-file |
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| 01:20.29 | meshug | how can i install Debian Sid? |
| 01:21.02 | phogg | meshug: install stable and then think very hard about whether you really want sid |
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| 01:22.02 | Infiltrator | !tell meshug -about unstable |
| 01:22.13 | Rprp` | I will try that, thanks Infiltrator |
| 01:22.15 | foolfool | anyone have any experience trouble shooting network connectivity problems? http://pastebin.com/EQ7Un8fx |
| 01:22.16 | Infiltrator | meshug: Note especially: "If you have to ask whether you should use it or how, you shouldn't." |
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| 01:23.02 | meshug | phogg : yes i very want sid, unstable debian is more stable than <any other distro> stable |
| 01:23.29 | meshug | infilitrator, i will install sid |
| 01:23.40 | foobaru | Is apt-pinning preferable to running full sid? |
| 01:23.46 | meshug | it is just that i had saw 2 ways to install it |
| 01:23.57 | phogg | foobaru: yes |
| 01:23.58 | meshug | and there was a way that needed no edit |
| 01:24.02 | Infiltrator | meshug: Even if you don't want squeeze (stable), you're still probably better off going for testing (wheezy). |
| 01:24.29 | meshug | i want debian, i liked it 3-4 years ago |
| 01:24.34 | Infiltrator | phogg: Is it? What about !frankendebian? |
| 01:24.37 | meshug | but disliked the <oldness> of it |
| 01:24.40 | meshug | so with sid |
| 01:24.46 | meshug | going to be more up to date |
| 01:25.03 | Infiltrator | meshug: Have you tried wheezy first? |
| 01:25.08 | phogg | Infiltrator: it's a mess, but full sid can be a lot messier for the uninitiated |
| 01:25.20 | ceil | hearts testing |
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| 01:25.33 | meshug | no i did not tried wheezy |
| 01:25.55 | Infiltrator | meshug: Try wheezy (testing, will become stable soonish) and see if that's enough for you. |
| 01:26.23 | meshug | ok |
| 01:26.28 | meshug | i will listen to your wisdom |
| 01:26.52 | ceil | of course, once it goes stable, non-security updates will freeze for a year or three |
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| 01:27.03 | ceil | t's why my sources says 'testing' :p |
| 01:27.58 | Infiltrator | ceil: Bad idea to use testing, though, because it could sneak up on you. |
| 01:28.06 | meshug | i used linuxmint and sabayon for long, as favourite distro |
| 01:28.08 | ceil | Infiltrator: ? |
| 01:28.14 | ceil | wotchu on about? |
| 01:28.17 | meshug | but i want to return to <my linux root> being debian |
| 01:28.42 | Infiltrator | ceil: When the change happens, your system will want to jump to the new testing, and if you're not paying attention, it'll jump to sid and could break things. |
| 01:29.02 | ceil | why would it jump to sid? |
| 01:29.16 | meshug | i dont mind any things breaks |
| 01:29.25 | meshug | it is break-proof anyway |
| 01:29.28 | meshug | nothing to be broken |
| 01:29.33 | ceil | heh |
| 01:29.35 | meshug | except the distro i will install |
| 01:30.26 | johndo | Infiltrator: of course testing can break things |
| 01:30.34 | meshug | so |
| 01:30.42 | meshug | i should download and install a small installation image? |
| 01:30.57 | Infiltrator | meshug: Oh, and for when things break: the channel for non-stable debian support is #debian-next. :P |
| 01:30.59 | meshug | so i can modifiy the repo for the wheezy or sid things? |
| 01:31.16 | johndo | but at least for desktop systems at least the last 2 upgrades from a stable release to the next stable release were much more pain than staying on testing would have been i guess |
| 01:31.25 | meshug | ok lol thank |
| 01:31.27 | Infiltrator | ceil: Because if you have testing in your sources.list, right now it points to wheezy; but when the change happens, it'll point to sid. |
| 01:31.45 | abrotman | no, it won't |
| 01:32.01 | ceil | sid is not testing |
| 01:32.03 | ceil | and never will be |
| 01:32.12 | abrotman | dpkg: tell Infiltrator about releases |
| 01:33.33 | Infiltrator | Okay, I'm probably not explaining it properly, but I remember a few years back I was advised to use the names instead of testing/unstable, etc. |
| 01:33.48 | Infiltrator | Clearly I misunderstood. :) |
| 01:33.58 | Infiltrator | runs off since abrotman is here. |
| 01:34.01 | ceil | is there a codename for the next testing, or is that announced after wheezy goes stable? |
| 01:34.06 | foobaru | Infiltrator: it always points to testing if you use "testing" specifically. If you use "Wheezy" it will eventually becomes table. |
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| 01:34.23 | ceil | foobaru: and that's precisely why i specified 'testing' :) |
| 01:34.32 | ceil | i likes my "rolling release" debian :p |
| 01:34.37 | foobaru | ceil: as do I |
| 01:35.42 | the-croupier | foobaru, so what you are saying is that when wheezy goes stable...everyone that points to wheezy would automatically turn to stable ;) |
| 01:35.47 | abrotman | ceil: Jessie |
| 01:35.49 | the-croupier | right? |
| 01:35.53 | abrotman | Infiltrator: yes, there are names .. but sid will never be testing |
| 01:35.54 | johndo | ceil: unfortunately the rolling is stuttering about every 2 years for a few months ;) |
| 01:36.09 | foobaru | the-croupier: yuppers |
| 01:36.32 | ceil | johndo: still better than stable :p |
| 01:36.41 | ceil | abrotman: ah neat |
| 01:36.48 | ctmjr | sid will always be sid (unstable) |
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| 01:54.03 | gnarface | so if i'm getting complaints about /etc/environment not existing, should i just create a zero-byte file there to get the logs to quiet? |
| 01:54.11 | gnarface | that's what google suggests |
| 01:54.32 | gnarface | but google suggests its also a pam or locale (or both?) bug that i should not be seeing on a squeeze system |
| 01:56.13 | Infiltrator | So, if I now hopefully understand this correctly, testing will always be called sid; experimental will always have no name, and testing will have successive names and move to stable, oldstable, and archived? |
| 01:56.17 | abrotman | it's supposed to have stuff in it? |
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| 01:56.24 | well_laid_lawn | gnarface: my /etc/environment file just has commented lines so a blank file would be fine |
| 01:57.11 | gnarface | abrotman: was that a response to me? were you suggesting you have an empty /etc/environment file? |
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| 01:58.12 | gnarface | well_laid_lawn: could you do me a favor and pastebin me your /etc/environment file just so i can figure out what its supposed to be for, and tell me the permissions+ownership you have set? |
| 01:58.31 | abrotman | judd: file etc/environment |
| 01:58.35 | judd | No packages in squeeze/i386 were found with that file. |
| 01:58.51 | gnarface | Infiltrator: if the first "testing" you typed was supposed to be "unstable" then your statement would have been accurate |
| 01:58.59 | ctmjr | Infiltrator, No read this http://www.debian.org/releases/ |
| 01:59.15 | Infiltrator | gnarface: Yes, it was meant to be that; my bad. |
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| 01:59.38 | well_laid_lawn | gnarface: sure one min |
| 01:59.41 | p3rror | who use etckeeper |
| 01:59.45 | abrotman | you |
| 02:00.01 | p3rror | i need some help |
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| 02:00.39 | Arrowmaster | gnarface: my /etc/environment on wheezy is a zero byte file |
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| 02:02.11 | well_laid_lawn | gnarface: http://pastebin.com/65rf3xVA |
| 02:02.32 | gnarface | heh, thanks well_laid_lawn |
| 02:02.40 | gnarface | Arrowmaster: permissions/ownership on that file? |
| 02:02.54 | gnarface | well_laid_lawn: permissions/ownership on that file? |
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| 02:03.24 | well_laid_lawn | gnarface: -rw-r--r-- 1 root root |
| 02:03.35 | Arrowmaster | yeah 644 root:root |
| 02:03.42 | gnarface | k, thanks guys |
| 02:03.50 | well_laid_lawn | cheers |
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| 02:06.49 | ScottG | My server keeps freezing. I'm on squeeze. It seems to freeze when there are disk intensive things going on. |
| 02:08.28 | abrotman | bad hardware? |
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| 02:09.06 | ScottG | abrotman: I'm not sure. I don't suspect so |
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| 02:09.33 | ScottG | abrotman: It has happened in the past when trying to extract xz compressed files. |
| 02:09.52 | ScottG | And also now when I try to run a backup program (rdiff-backup) |
| 02:10.22 | ScottG | Also I'd like to note that the backups consistently fail midway due to a 'broken pipe' |
| 02:10.43 | caf | "broken pipe" means that a process on the reading end of a pipe died for some reason |
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| 02:11.24 | ScottG | caf: Well the reading end would be my laptop (which is writing the backup to the server which has the freezing problem. |
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| 02:16.18 | Infiltrator | ScottG: Could you expand on what you mean by freezing? What can/can't you do when it freezes? How long does the freeze last? |
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| 02:18.24 | gnarface | if there is still heavy disk i/o that suggests its not actually frozen |
| 02:19.12 | gnarface | running out of ram and then subsequently running out of swap can often make a machine appear to be frozen though, from a remote connection's viewpoint |
| 02:19.19 | Infiltrator | Indeed. It's useful to know what is meant by frozen; everybody seems to define it differently; even the same person at different times. |
| 02:19.26 | ScottG | Infiltrator: The entire thing locks up. |
| 02:19.33 | ScottG | And I need to hard reboot |
| 02:19.47 | gnarface | but is there disk activity at that point? |
| 02:19.49 | abrotman | can you ssh in remotely? |
| 02:19.50 | Infiltrator | ScottG: Do you have physical access to the server? |
| 02:19.55 | ScottG | No. Trust me it's froze guys lol |
| 02:20.01 | ScottG | Infiltrator: Yes. |
| 02:20.22 | ScottG | No disk io. I check for that. I also check to see if the keyboard is responsive (num lock changes) |
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| 02:20.28 | ScottG | Can't ssh. |
| 02:20.30 | Infiltrator | ScottG: What's on the screen (if you have one plugged in) when it's frozen? Does it respond to mouse/keyboard input? Does REISUB work? |
| 02:20.55 | ScottG | Hm I didn't try REISUB. I used to use that all the time |
| 02:21.13 | gnarface | hmm. if the numlock light isn't moving then magic sysrq probably won't either |
| 02:21.17 | ScottG | also in the past when it's frozen I've tried looking at logs to no avail. |
| 02:21.25 | ScottG | gnarface: good point |
| 02:21.38 | gnarface | what's on the screen then? |
| 02:21.42 | gnarface | at the freeze? |
| 02:22.19 | gnarface | and, hate to leap right to a conclusion but... is there a nvidia card in it? |
| 02:23.01 | ScottG | gnarface: It's a headless server so what's on the screen is just what ever shows up after boot. So the boot sequence then a login prompt at the bottom |
| 02:23.05 | ScottG | let me check on the nvidia. |
| 02:23.20 | ScottG | 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation NV28 [GeForce4 Ti 4200 AGP 8x] (rev a1) |
| 02:23.27 | gnarface | ScottG: oh, so when its frozen, you still see the last login prompt? |
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| 02:23.53 | ScottG | gnarface: I didn't check this time but I *think* I can usually turn the monitor on to see that it isn't responding. |
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| 02:24.42 | gnarface | if the screen goes black at the point at which it freezes, that's a dead giveaway its your video card freezing it. if the console contents stay intact but otherwise there is a complete i/o lock, that doesn't necessarily mean its *not* your video card though |
| 02:25.32 | gnarface | you're not running X on the machine when it freezes though? |
| 02:25.43 | ScottG | gnarface: I'm pretty sure it's not related to the VGA card. Especially since it's headless |
| 02:25.48 | ScottG | gnarface: Yeah no X |
| 02:26.08 | gnarface | well, it could still be but it would be indicative of bad ram on the video card |
| 02:26.16 | ctmjr | Sounds to me like a hard drive dying |
| 02:26.51 | gnarface | bad video card ram usually is accompanied by glyph corruption in text mode that will often appear even during boot |
| 02:26.52 | Cira | I have Debian with X but without a desktop environment. How can I run two or more shells and switch between them? |
| 02:27.05 | abrotman | Cira: it already has that |
| 02:27.05 | Infiltrator | Would that lock up the whole system though? Without any kernel messages about failed i/o? |
| 02:27.10 | abrotman | Infiltrator: yes |
| 02:27.13 | Cira | yeah, but how do I do it? |
| 02:27.19 | Cira | how do I start a new shell process |
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| 02:27.29 | Cira | and how do I switch between them |
| 02:27.37 | abrotman | alt-f# |
| 02:27.45 | Cira | omg thank you! |
| 02:28.03 | Cira | lost so much time trying to ask Google the right question... |
| 02:28.28 | Infiltrator | abrotman: I didn't realise; all my HD failures have been accompanied by message spam and haven't had it freeze up (though obviously it becomes near-useless). |
| 02:28.29 | abrotman | ScottG: it sounds like your disk or disk controller is having an issue |
| 02:28.29 | gnarface | Cira: because you meant "without a graphical login manager" when you said "without a desktop environment" (two utterly different things) |
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| 02:29.03 | gnarface | Cira: (though one often includes the other) |
| 02:29.34 | Infiltrator | ScottG: You might be able to narrow down the cause using stress (use one test at a time). |
| 02:29.59 | ScottG | Infiltrator: abrotman: How should I test? |
| 02:29.59 | Cira | I know they are different things, but I think I really don't have a desktop environment (no gnome, kde or such) |
| 02:31.25 | Infiltrator | Who takes care of judd? |
| 02:31.26 | gnarface | Cira: that is also possible, depending on a number of assumptions, but keep in mind that if we're splitting hairs here, not all window managers are considered "desktop environments" as gnome and kde are. |
| 02:31.40 | ScottG | Infiltrator: abrotman: Also I'm not so sure it's related to disk because I've been doing things on just my external HDD and still had the freezing problem. |
| 02:31.45 | gnarface | Cira: its an important distinction |
| 02:32.08 | abrotman | ScottG: bonnie++ might help trigger it |
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| 02:32.23 | ScottG | For example the issue with xz I mentioned before. I've been trying to extract and xz file on my external HDD (USB) and it still froze. Faster, mind you. |
| 02:32.28 | abrotman | or try cpuburn (fair warning, i've destoryed hardware with it) |
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| 02:33.02 | Infiltrator | What about stress? |
| 02:33.11 | gnarface | ScottG: external disk would still be subject to bugs in the disk controller and whatever io port you've plugged it into |
| 02:33.21 | abrotman | Infiltrator: perhaps you should try to read package descriptions |
| 02:33.22 | ScottG | io being USB |
| 02:33.37 | gnarface | ScottG: i've had this type of behavior with crappy marvell sata/pata combo controllers until they patched it |
| 02:33.53 | abrotman | ScottG: what's 'uname -r' ? |
| 02:34.35 | ScottG | abrotman: 2.6.32-5-686 |
| 02:34.45 | ScottG | abrotman: It's up to date as far as squeeze goes |
| 02:34.49 | abrotman | ScottG: you might want to try a kernel from backports.debian.org if you believe it's a kernel issue |
| 02:35.07 | builder | bisect |
| 02:35.17 | Infiltrator | abrotman: I don't see the problem? Could you please explain it to me? Here is the description: http://paste.debian.net/227697/ |
| 02:35.24 | abrotman | Infiltrator: no |
| 02:36.20 | ScottG | abrotman: I don't really know what the issue is. I'm getting bonnie |
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| 02:36.41 | ScottG | or got rather. Just need to figure out how to use it lol |
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| 02:40.44 | builder | freezing, what does iostat -dxm 1 say at the time? what io elevator are you using (cat /sys/block/sda*/queue/scheduler) . have you checked smart data? |
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| 02:41.03 | ScottG | builder: at the ti me of freezing...? |
| 02:41.15 | builder | yeh and i would strace -t |
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| 02:41.25 | ScottG | builder: And yeah I checked smart but I don't know what the output means |
| 02:41.38 | builder | the procss doing the io strace -ff -p <pid> -e trace=file |
| 02:41.38 | ScottG | builder: Also I can't io stat since it's frozen lol |
| 02:41.52 | builder | but more importantly yu might have to use debugfs and use blktrace |
| 02:42.39 | builder | oh you get a kp? i dunno that should def be logging something |
| 02:42.53 | ScottG | kernel panic? |
| 02:43.01 | ScottG | I don't think so. It just freezes. |
| 02:43.18 | ScottG | I don't think the kernel does anything since I havne't found anything in the logs following the freeze |
| 02:43.38 | builder | yeh but even if the system freezes nmi watchdog should be sending non makable interrupts and youll get information |
| 02:43.42 | builder | oh |
| 02:44.17 | builder | kernel.panic_on_io_nmi = 0 |
| 02:44.33 | ScottG | lol you've lost me sorry |
| 02:44.45 | builder | im just trying to think. its really hard to try and solve something without knowing details of your kernel and system |
| 02:44.53 | Infiltrator | Can anybody tell me why using stress in ScottG's situation is a bad idea? |
| 02:46.25 | abrotman | ScottG: if your system freezes, and it's FS/HDD related, it may not be able to write |
| 02:46.41 | builder | like hdparm -tT? |
| 02:46.56 | builder | abrot: yeh but i thought it was only his external |
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| 02:47.08 | builder | and if that is really the case you could always log remotely |
| 02:47.14 | ScottG | I'm gonna try running bonnie++ |
| 02:47.27 | builder | even if there are io problems, you bhave /dev/console |
| 02:47.33 | builder | he should be seeing something on the console |
| 02:47.35 | builder | thats in mem |
| 02:47.54 | ScottG | bonnie++ -d /.0/bonnie-local/ -s 16g -f -b |
| 02:47.58 | ScottG | That's what I'm gonna run |
| 02:48.17 | ScottG | Found it on some website somewhere after a google. Checked the options in the man file and it looks good enough for me unless anyone else has any suggestions. |
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| 02:50.30 | ScottG | rofl |
| 02:50.42 | ScottG | It is not recommended to use root (since the occasion when a Bonnie++ bug wiped out someone's system) |
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| 03:00.40 | Infiltrator | Does anybody know what's wrong with using stress to diagnose an error that occurs under load (a la the problem that ScottG is having)? abrotman told me to read the package description, and I have; but do not see what is wrong with it. |
| 03:03.48 | ScottG | bonnie hasn't crashed me yet. |
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| 03:06.18 | abrotman | ScottG: have you noticed any pattern about when it happens? what it's doing? the time of the day? accessing certain files? |
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| 03:06.59 | ScottG | abrotman: Well the only consistencies are things that involve heavy processing. I don't really think decompressing an xz file is that io intensive. |
| 03:07.05 | cardamon | Ugh. |
| 03:07.09 | abrotman | processing or diskio ? |
| 03:07.48 | ScottG | abrotman: I don't think xz is that disk io intensive. Just a guess, though. |
| 03:08.20 | builder | ScottG: kernel.panic_on_io_nmi = 0 |
| 03:08.22 | builder | oops |
| 03:08.24 | builder | try this |
| 03:08.26 | builder | kernel.panic_on_io_nmi = 0 |
| 03:08.28 | builder | fudge |
| 03:08.29 | ScottG | abrotman: However trying to back up files from my local HDD to my external hdd using rdisk-backup (which I think is just some fancy stuff around rsync) freezes it also |
| 03:08.38 | builder | echo deadline > /sys/block/sda/queue/scheduler |
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| 03:08.40 | cardamon | Is there any way to temporarily slot in a squeeze library to satisfy some strict version requirements of what seems like a very lazy non-debian developer's .deb? |
| 03:08.41 | builder | try that |
| 03:08.56 | ScottG | abrotman: If I recall correctly I think I could get it to freeze in like 15 minutes by trying to rdiff-backup from my local hdd to external |
| 03:09.11 | ScottG | builder: What does that do? |
| 03:09.32 | builder | just to eliminate the possibility of it being your scheduler and a hung task. |
| 03:09.38 | abrotman | cardamon: what? |
| 03:09.47 | builder | it changes your io scheduler . it will not be permanent |
| 03:09.51 | cardamon | I've got libss1.0.0 but spotify-client (which is not in the Debian repositories) wants libssl0.9.8 |
| 03:10.14 | abrotman | cardamon: stupid spotify, /msg dpkg equivs |
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| 03:10.23 | cardamon | It's not Debian's fault the developer's got some rigid check. |
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| 03:11.36 | trist4n | is there some sort of deep magic i should perform to get my font rendering all pretty on a debian install |
| 03:11.43 | builder | but listen to help you further youd really need to pastebin me your smart data, output of hdparm -I /dev/sda and make complete sure that yu arent getting any logging on this |
| 03:11.48 | builder | what model hd btw? |
| 03:12.00 | ScottG | builder: Me? |
| 03:12.19 | cardamon | trist4n: anti-aliased font + a terminal capable of pushing it and enough know how to configure it. |
| 03:12.31 | ScottG | builder: And after I run that command what should I do? Just try to get it to freeze? |
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| 03:12.35 | builder | yes, and im telling you. test it with the deadline scheduler. and make 100% sure you arent getting any logging.. like maybe |
| 03:12.45 | builder | find /var/log/ -mmin -5 |
| 03:12.51 | cardamon | I like Inconsolata and the Droid series. |
| 03:12.55 | cardamon | But that's me. |
| 03:13.29 | builder | ScottG: theres many different things this could be and i can almost surely help you fix it but you gotta be like neo in the matrix and do everything i say lol |
| 03:13.43 | builder | jk, just need your hparm, smart, and possibly an hdparm -tT test |
| 03:13.53 | ScottG | builder: Ok then let's do this! |
| 03:13.56 | trist4n | im using the mate terminal, whatever that is. |
| 03:14.03 | ScottG | builder: But right now I have bonnie++ running. Should I stop it? |
| 03:14.04 | builder | and if the system is really frozen to where its not logging anything during a kernel panic |
| 03:14.07 | builder | well |
| 03:14.08 | abrotman | trist4n: so, it's not Debian |
| 03:14.16 | abrotman | ScottG: yes |
| 03:14.41 | trist4n | sure its debian. the problem itself may not lie in debian, im not sure. i cant tell whether the system fonts for things other than a terminal are anti aliasd either. |
| 03:14.50 | abrotman | MATE is not in Debian |
| 03:15.28 | builder | scottg: paste us output of cat /sys/block/sd*/queue/scheduler |
| 03:15.32 | trist4n | lets talk specific fonts then. are only certani fonts aa'd? any recommendations for ones you like?\ |
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| 03:15.45 | abrotman | trist4n: which version of linux is this? |
| 03:15.53 | builder | and then pastebin output of your smart data and the output of hdparm -I /dev/sdaa |
| 03:16.06 | builder | brb |
| 03:16.21 | ScottG | builder: noop anticipatory deadline [cfq] |
| 03:16.30 | trist4n | its debian 7, with mate repos added. |
| 03:16.47 | abrotman | can you reproduce the issue using a supported DE/WM ? |
| 03:17.30 | trist4n | well, to my eye, things looked the same when using xfce. |
| 03:17.37 | trist4n | but my eye might not be relaible here. |
| 03:17.42 | builder | k, try `echo deadline > /sys/block/sda/queue/scheduler |
| 03:18.00 | builder | have iostat -dxm 1 running in a diff term ( that you could see even during a freeze) |
| 03:18.11 | ScottG | builder: what smartctl command should I run? |
| 03:18.29 | builder | try what you were doing again. if it freezes, reboot and see newest file accesses in /var/log |
| 03:19.23 | builder | should be like smartctl -a /dev/sda but its diff for sata and diff kinds of drives |
| 03:19.27 | ScottG | builder: http://privatepaste.com/8810f0190c |
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| 03:20.09 | ScottG | builder: http://privatepaste.com/5b9e78aa6c |
| 03:20.15 | builder | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:20.23 | builder | and relocated sectors is bad |
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| 03:20.39 | orzo | hi |
| 03:20.39 | builder | but again all of this shouldnt matter when it comes to getting errors to /dev/console |
| 03:20.49 | builder | did you switch to deadline and try what you were doing? |
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| 03:21.05 | ScottG | builder: I just did the deadline thing and I'm gonna try as hard as I can do freeze it |
| 03:21.17 | builder | k |
| 03:21.19 | ScottG | which means running a clone of backup from local hdd to external |
| 03:21.27 | phix | hmmm, compiz and gnome-settings is using 100% CPU, any way to find out what they are doing? |
| 03:21.44 | builder | have iostat -dxm 1 running where you can see it as well as tail -f /var/log/messages |
| 03:21.53 | builder | hehe, ill have a cig then ;) |
| 03:21.54 | ScottG | nnandroidphone: noop anticipatory [deadline] cfq |
| 03:21.58 | builder | kool |
| 03:21.59 | ScottG | It should look like that right? |
| 03:21.59 | builder | brb |
| 03:22.01 | builder | yep |
| 03:22.02 | ScottG | kk |
| 03:22.18 | ScottG | ok give me a sec to get this going. |
| 03:22.28 | builder | or wait this is debian, just do watch -n1 "dmesg|tail -32" |
| 03:22.46 | nnandroidphone | ScottG? |
| 03:22.47 | abrotman | or tail /var/log/dmesg ? |
| 03:22.57 | builder | shutup |
| 03:22.58 | builder | :P |
| 03:23.33 | builder | read_expire |
| 03:23.35 | builder | This tunable allows you to set the number of milliseconds in which a read request should be serviced. By default, this is set to 500 ms (half a second). |
| 03:23.44 | phix | gang? |
| 03:23.45 | builder | write_expire |
| 03:23.46 | builder | This tunable allows you to set the number of milliseconds in which a write request should be serviced. By default, this is set to 5000 ms (five seconds). |
| 03:24.51 | Cira | an apt installation failed because I didn't have enough hard disk space. Apt didn't clean up after itself and now my hdd is full of downloaded files, most of which have been unpacked as well... Where is this stored? Is there an apt command I can run to clean this mess or do I have to manually delete files? |
| 03:25.01 | ScottG | builder: ok have the clone running now |
| 03:25.08 | builder | also if it freezes this time we will want to run hdparm -tT /dev/sda and possibly badlocks but again. we should be getting logging. and if not we can set it up to log remotely or something |
| 03:25.19 | ScottG | builder: Maybe while I'm at it i'll run one of those xz decompresses along with a backup script |
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| 03:25.22 | builder | i really gotta go for a few |
| 03:25.26 | builder | msg me if needed |
| 03:25.33 | ScottG | builder: ONe quick thing |
| 03:25.55 | ScottG | If I'm tailing dmesg and it freezes I don't be able to see what it says |
| 03:26.03 | builder | exactly |
| 03:26.09 | ScottG | wut |
| 03:26.16 | ScottG | Don't I want to see? |
| 03:26.50 | cardamon | abrotman: I think I did it right. I just make a .equivs file for the old version that depends on the new version (I put Depends: libssl1.0.0 (>=1.0.1c-4)... in it) then follow along with the instructions? |
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| 03:26.57 | abrotman | Cira: start with apt-get clean .. see if that helps |
| 03:27.16 | abrotman | cardamon: that's one way i suppose |
| 03:27.19 | cardamon | http://paste.debian.net/227698/ |
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| 03:27.45 | cardamon | abrotman: Is there another/better/more obvious way? |
| 03:27.49 | Cira | yup, that did it... thx |
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| 03:28.04 | abrotman | cardamon: sounds fine .. |
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| 03:29.06 | cardamon | Er...not .equivs file. A ctl file. |
| 03:29.42 | abrotman | i got what you meant |
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| 03:33.31 | spizzo | I'm reading about apt-get; is there a case wherein one would want to use apt-get upgrade instead of apt-get dist-upgrade? |
| 03:34.06 | Arrowmaster | you use upgrade for normal upgrades |
| 03:34.09 | abrotman | spizzo: there can be, if for certain you know that you don't want to remove a certain package |
| 03:34.13 | abrotman | Arrowmaster: says you :) |
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| 03:35.12 | rryoumaa | what about aptitude? |
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| 03:36.55 | builder | why wouldnt you be able to see? |
| 03:38.41 | abrotman | rryoumaa: same basic rules |
| 03:38.59 | abrotman | rryoumaa: biggest different is the dependency/problem resolution |
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| 03:39.40 | rryoumaa | do you use both? |
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| 03:40.11 | abrotman | personally, i use aptitude for almost everything |
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| 03:40.46 | ScottG | builder: Still nothing. Got 3 things going on right now too lol |
| 03:41.16 | abrotman | which three? |
| 03:41.18 | builder | no freeze? |
| 03:41.46 | builder | btw you might need to enable smart data on your drive. you should be able to follow most of this minus the smartd part |
| 03:41.50 | builder | http://blog.shadypixel.com/monitoring-hard-drive-health-on-linux-with-smartmontools/ |
| 03:42.05 | builder | i also never asked what filesystem type you were using, or if you had a RAID setup |
| 03:42.07 | abrotman | doesn't think it's the HDD per se |
| 03:43.09 | builder | well im swayed to that thought because of the lack of logging but i think that might be user confusion or error |
| 03:43.24 | builder | no offense scott :P |
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| 03:43.56 | abrotman | builder: and if the mobo disk controller is toast? or the CPU? |
| 03:44.24 | builder | it wouldnt even be booting probably |
| 03:44.33 | builder | its only on disk heavy operations right? |
| 03:44.36 | ScottG | builder: What do you mean user confusion error? |
| 03:44.49 | ScottG | builder: I mean this freezing has been pretty consistent in the past |
| 03:44.52 | builder | and if it was cpu the nmi watchdog would send a non maskable interrupt after hang |
| 03:45.02 | builder | and wed get a stack trace of all the cores in messages |
| 03:45.15 | abrotman | builder: not true at all |
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| 03:45.36 | builder | ScottG: i was talking about not being able to see any logging. something should def be going to console |
| 03:45.48 | abrotman | not always ... |
| 03:46.04 | ScottG | builder: No raid setup and ext4 |
| 03:46.10 | abrotman | ScottG: which three tests are you running? |
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| 03:46.40 | ScottG | builder: I mean if it just straight freezes up nothing is going to get the chance to log |
| 03:46.40 | builder | abrotman: we both know it could be a million things and im sure you are right about special cases but if his system is typically working fine without errors |
| 03:46.49 | builder | hed at least be getting media errors |
| 03:46.54 | builder | but thats why we ned to see smart data |
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| 03:47.01 | abrotman | why would he get media errors? |
| 03:47.20 | ScottG | abrotman: Not running tests. I'm just running a rdiff-backup from my laptop to the server and also running a rsync which mirrors the backups to my external HDD and also decompressing an xz file |
| 03:47.20 | builder | scottg: not true, the kernel can still be working on some levels even if userland is frozen |
| 03:47.28 | ScottG | All of which have froze it in the past. |
| 03:47.56 | builder | im willing to bet deadline solves his problems |
| 03:47.58 | abrotman | ScottG: tried memtest at all? |
| 03:47.59 | ScottG | builder: What about how my keyboard's numlock wouldn't even flash the numlock light when pressed. |
| 03:48.02 | ScottG | Is that userland? |
| 03:48.14 | abrotman | memtest or the scheduler? |
| 03:48.24 | builder | its probably one task blocking the queue and then no logging etc |
| 03:48.27 | ScottG | builder: Possibly. What exactly was that deadline thing? |
| 03:48.38 | builder | im talking about the io elevator queue not the cpu scheduler |
| 03:48.42 | abrotman | builder: repeatedly .. that's a bad theory |
| 03:48.57 | ScottG | j |
| 03:48.59 | builder | if hes doing the same exact thing? |
| 03:49.06 | builder | im all ears on different theories |
| 03:49.19 | builder | i dont have enough data in front of me to say anything for sure |
| 03:49.22 | abrotman | i've given a few .. you think they're nonsense |
| 03:49.51 | ScottG | builder: I'm gonna be really pissed if this doesn't freeze... |
| 03:50.08 | ScottG | Well not really pissed. I'd more just be pretty convinced that it has something to do with that deadline thing. |
| 03:50.21 | builder | if it happens again, do this http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/492 |
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| 03:51.06 | builder | ScottG: if it does happen to be related to the io scheduler and you dont want to use deadline permanently, there are ways to work with CFQ |
| 03:51.09 | builder | man ionce |
| 03:51.11 | builder | man ionice |
| 03:51.14 | ScottG | builder: can I do the stuff in that smartmontools page now? |
| 03:51.22 | builder | but ionice only works with cfq |
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| 03:51.44 | builder | yeh sure, but i really am going to be gone for a while |
| 03:51.46 | ScottG | I still don't even really get what that deadline thing was. |
| 03:51.54 | builder | hope i was at least of some help on theories |
| 03:51.57 | ScottG | builder: Oh also fyi if I sign off here that means my server crashed |
| 03:52.04 | ScottG | I run an irssi proxy through my server. |
| 03:52.15 | ScottG | s/crashed/froze |
| 03:52.31 | builder | ScottG: read this http://stackoverflow.com/questions/9338378/what-is-the-difference-between-cfq-deadline-and-noop |
| 03:53.46 | maxiaojun | still need help for http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=682427 |
| 03:54.48 | ScottG | builder: Ah ok interesting. So it's just a simpler algorithm for disk io scheduling? |
| 03:54.59 | lkthomas | out of topic question, what's the advantage to use IPMI monitor instead of SNMP ? |
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| 03:55.42 | abrotman | maxiaojun: the patch is there |
| 03:55.54 | abrotman | judd: versions firmware-b43-installer |
| 03:55.55 | judd | Package: firmware-b43-installer on i386 -- squeeze/contrib: 4.150.10.5-4; sid/contrib: 1:015-14; wheezy/contrib: 1:015-14 |
| 03:56.07 | maxiaojun | it is from me, and no response |
| 03:56.10 | abrotman | maxiaojun: plus, should be fixed in wheezy and sid .. what's the problem ? |
| 03:56.23 | abrotman | oh, it still exists in sid? |
| 03:56.50 | Yoshi1 | anyone here have any experience on getting an hdmi port which reads as disconnected by xrandr to work? |
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| 03:57.27 | abrotman | maxiaojun: maybe send an email to the debian-devel mailing list |
| 03:57.28 | builder | ipmi is a hardware controller you can put on a private interface and say redirect your console when the public interface is saturated just as an example |
| 03:57.46 | SuperPhly | I have a raid array setup with /dev/sda and /dev/sdb - I was getting errors in my syslog that a lot of people said it was a problem with my SATA cable. So I disconnected /dev/sda and replaced the cable. Now the same drive is showing up at /dev/sde |
| 03:58.02 | SuperPhly | same drive, same connector, different cable. |
| 03:58.17 | maxiaojun | I checked the git, still there: http://anonscm.debian.org/gitweb/?p=collab-maint/b43-fwcutter.git;a=blob;f=debian/firmware-b43-installer.postinst;h=468a4867d9ff73462faac7b8315aa4abfb2dd511;hb=HEAD |
| 03:58.30 | SuperPhly | why wouldn't it show back up as /dev/sda when I plugged it back in? |
| 03:58.47 | abrotman | different slot? |
| 03:59.12 | jelly-home | SuperPhly: because kernel's notion of /dev/sda wasn't cleaned up in time |
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| 03:59.46 | jelly-home | SuperPhly: you can't really expect /dev/sd* to have fixed names these days |
| 03:59.54 | SuperPhly | jelly-home: i'm fine with it being sde for now, but upon a reboot in the future it will come back as sda |
| 04:00.02 | jelly-home | possibly. |
| 04:00.09 | SuperPhly | jelly-home: i was told to use the /dev/disk/by-id |
| 04:00.20 | jelly-home | that is a good idea |
| 04:00.37 | SuperPhly | jelly-home: does raid use that or does it only know what sda is? |
| 04:01.03 | SuperPhly | because i'm going to have to rebuild this array, and upon reboot i don't want the software raid to think that the second drive is sde |
| 04:01.11 | jelly-home | it depends. md raid reads what's on disk and doesn't really care what the device node name is at all |
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| 04:01.23 | SuperPhly | how does it match? |
| 04:01.31 | SuperPhly | does the raid have some sorta uuid? |
| 04:01.39 | jelly-home | it does. |
| 04:01.40 | SuperPhly | and it just matches those |
| 04:01.41 | SuperPhly | perfect |
| 04:01.44 | SuperPhly | that's what i needed to know. |
| 04:01.56 | SuperPhly | i'm going to move all my fstab stuff over to /dev/disk |
| 04:02.13 | jelly-home | you ought to already have that uuid listed in /etc/mdadm/mdadm.conf in an ARRAY line |
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| 04:03.37 | SuperPhly | yep, there it is... |
| 04:03.42 | SuperPhly | jelly, thank you so much for helping me with this. |
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| 04:03.53 | SuperPhly | i just needed that little bit of connecting the dots to understand this system |
| 04:10.54 | Yoshi1 | anyone know how to get xrandr to turn on an hdmi port? |
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| 04:13.19 | jelly-home | Yoshi1: xrandr --output whatever-the-port-name --auto |
| 04:14.36 | Yoshi1 | jelly-home: i do that and it says no protocol specificied. can't open display 0.0 |
| 04:15.21 | jelly-home | run it as normal user, as the user logged in to X |
| 04:15.46 | Yoshi1 | thats what i did |
| 04:16.48 | Yoshi1 | oh no sudo heh |
| 04:16.49 | jelly-home | Yoshi1: something is messed up with that particular shell environment settings, then |
| 04:17.04 | mns | how do I install fonts under gnome3 in Wheezy ? |
| 04:17.13 | Yoshi1 | jelly-home: though it didnt change anything |
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| 04:17.46 | jelly-home | Yoshi1: inspect the output of "xrandr" before and after. |
| 04:18.18 | Yoshi1 | jelly-home: HDMI1 still disconnected |
| 04:18.32 | Yoshi1 | there is a monitor connected to it but it is getting no output |
| 04:19.15 | jelly-home | Yoshi1: well, that's the command anyway. If it fails, something else is amiss. |
| 04:19.53 | jelly-home | could be drivers, could be a limit on the active number of outputs is reached, could be cabling or the monitor. |
| 04:19.58 | Yoshi1 | probably another optimus issue |
| 04:20.12 | Yoshi1 | it isnt the cabling it works fine in windows |
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| 04:21.08 | jelly-home | I'm clueless about optimus, sorry |
| 04:21.54 | Yoshi1 | jelly-home: yeah there isnt currently any support for the technology in linux |
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| 04:23.04 | Yoshi1 | i mean bumblebee gets around certain issues but theres others theres just no support for this sort of architecture in Xserver |
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| 04:23.51 | jelly-home | shrugs |
| 04:24.18 | gnarface | Yoshi1: https://github.com/Bumblebee-Project/Bumblebee/wiki/Troubleshooting are any of those issues addressed here? |
| 04:25.19 | Yoshi1 | gnarface: sadly no |
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| 04:29.35 | gnarface | Yoshi1: so you got bumblebee working fine, its just missing features you wanted? they have an irc channel of their own here on freenode, maybe you can beg/bribe for your features to be promoted in priority |
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| 04:31.10 | Yoshi1 | gnarface: i dont think enabling the hdmi port is in the scope of bumbblebee |
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| 04:32.13 | xue | hello, having network problems with debian |
| 04:32.20 | gnarface | Yoshi1: well if its part of the nvidia card then it might be in the scope of a custom xorg.conf. you'd have to check the nvidia driver readme.txt |
| 04:33.13 | Yoshi1 | hmmm |
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| 04:44.21 | xue | I'm having networking problems. Anyone? |
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| 04:48.58 | ranok | what are your problems? |
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| 05:52.26 | Jubei | anybody have experience with KVM udev persistence problem |
| 05:52.47 | Jubei | everytime the KVM host reboots, my Debian VM gets new interfaces and loses its networking |
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| 05:54.41 | Jubei | udev adds new rules |
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| 06:00.51 | jagginess | howdy.. the /var/log/wtmp file, the default is cron archives it every 30 days? |
| 06:02.49 | dondelelcaro | jagginess: iirc, yes. |
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| 06:31.30 | echo083 | hello |
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| 06:32.51 | echo083 | the new armhf architecture will be compatible with older processors ? it says that it requires at least ARMv7 ? |
| 06:37.10 | echo083 | no opinion ? |
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| 06:38.55 | jagginess | dondelelcaro, should logrotate be in /etc/cron.monthly ? |
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| 06:39.39 | dondelelcaro | jagginess: no |
| 06:39.52 | dondelelcaro | jagginess: it gets called daily, but it has monthly rulesets. |
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| 06:41.20 | jagginess | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:41.46 | dondelelcaro | jagginess: man last; see the -f option |
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| 06:42.55 | Guest79415 | hi |
| 06:44.30 | jagginess | dondelelcaro, something is fishy because I can swear I logged in two weeks ago.. (it's a dedicated vps) |
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| 06:44.48 | Guest79415 | I have a question |
| 06:45.00 | Guest79415 | how do you handle physical security |
| 06:45.03 | jagginess | dondelelcaro, last entry logon was dec31.. I know i logged on this month.. I don't suppose I can purge any entries by accident for wtmp |
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| 06:45.29 | jagginess | dondelelcaro, nm.. i think i know what it is.. |
| 06:45.37 | jagginess | smacks his ears |
| 06:46.34 | jagginess | if i login next week and wtmp is corrupt, i should file a bug :)) lol.. |
| 06:49.02 | Guest79415 | do you know how to access bios settings |
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| 06:54.59 | Jubei | anybody know how to disable udev rules persistence on squeeze? |
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| 07:00.07 | nevyn | why would you want to? |
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| 07:01.10 | sweb | http://serverfault.com/questions/471621/bind-mail-forwarding-to-gmail |
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| 07:24.13 | alucardlkjeslk | hey, how do you remove kernels? when i try to with dpkg --purge namehere it gives me grief |
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| 07:24.45 | alucardlkjeslk | also, how do you find all all existing kernel names? |
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| 07:27.05 | gnarface | alucardlkjeslk: for anyone to be capable of answering your first question accurately, you will have to specify the [namehere] that you used as well as [grief] (preferrably with the url of direct output sent to paste.debian.net) |
| 07:27.25 | alucardlkjeslk | umm, k, one second |
| 07:27.56 | gnarface | alucardlkjeslk: for anyone to be capable of answering the second question, you will have to first specify whether you meant all existing *installed* kernels on your own system, all existing *packaged* kernels for your debian version, or "other" (perhaps all existing vanilla kernels available from upstream?) |
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| 07:28.48 | gnarface | alucardlkjeslk: neither of my answers should be construed as an implication that i can myself, actually help you |
| 07:29.24 | gnarface | alucardlkjeslk: (but that does not mean i can't, either) |
| 07:29.29 | alucardlkjeslk | http://paste.debian.net/227735/ |
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| 07:30.04 | gnarface | alucardlkjeslk: are you trying to remove the kernel you're currently running? |
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| 07:30.30 | gnarface | alucardlkjeslk: (this follow-up question is also not an implication that i can actually help) |
| 07:30.39 | alucardlkjeslk | no, i currently have 3 i can select from at bootup, i'm trying to get rid of the 2 that are a lower version |
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| 07:31.38 | gnarface | alucardlkjeslk: well did you try to swap [namehere] for the package your error message refers to as being the problem? (linux-image-2.6.32-5-686, according to your paste) |
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| 07:31.59 | alucardlkjeslk | what do you mean? |
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| 07:33.21 | gnarface | alucardlkjeslk: your error message upon removing [package a] refers to a refusal because it depends on [package b]. to get more help from your own errors, you need to try to remove [package b] |
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| 07:33.48 | alucardlkjeslk | they're the same |
| 07:34.02 | gnarface | alucardlkjeslk: bzzzzt! wrong, but thanks for playing |
| 07:34.15 | gnarface | pulls the eject handle and bails out |
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| 07:36.04 | alucardlkjeslk | ahh, ok, i see now |
| 07:36.09 | alucardlkjeslk | got it fixed, thx |
| 07:36.17 | alucardlkjeslk | tired, and they both seemed to look alike XD |
| 07:37.27 | alucardlkjeslk | how do i update a kernel image? |
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| 08:11.00 | NeedHelpRad | Does anyone have experience with setting up Freeradius? |
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| 08:12.13 | Aleksander | Hello :) I know what the problem with my scanner is. I need to make ehci_hcd handle USB 3.0 ports instead of xhci_hcd - how can I do that? |
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| 08:37.44 | DigitRig | why is "sudo killall -9 name" not killing a bunch of processes? |
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| 08:39.23 | floogy | Hi, can someone suggest a good channel for php related questions? |
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| 08:41.17 | DigitRig | floogy try #php on other networks (efnet, for example) |
| 08:41.27 | floogy | It's invite only |
| 08:41.40 | floogy | ah ok not on freenode |
| 08:41.52 | xue | network connectivity issue here |
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| 08:48.14 | xue | network issues here - anyone to troubleshoot? |
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| 08:57.12 | dawud | xue: just ask |
| 08:57.28 | ChrisH | DigitRig: becuase name does not match anything? |
| 08:58.37 | Iridos | probably... or because that process cannot be killed |
| 08:58.55 | ChrisH | floogy: did you fix your mail issue? |
| 08:59.05 | ChrisH | DigitRig: verify your "name" using pgrep |
| 08:59.17 | Iridos | dpkg, tell Aleksander about blacklist |
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| 09:02.20 | floogy | I'm not sure, but I installed for testing purposes fast secure contact form and could send a testmail, but I think with phpmailer method not mail() .Unfortunately I'm not very familiar with php, but I guess it's an issue in the php code that came out due to either the switch from apache to lighty or/and the upgrade from lenny to squeeze. I'm not sure though. |
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| 09:04.45 | floogy | ChrisH, http://pastie.org/5825867 |
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| 09:05.43 | DANYAL | How To Install Custom Bash Prompt For ALl USers? |
| 09:06.08 | floogy | It seems, that $_SERVER['HTTP_REFERER'] returns nothing, therfore the contact form stops and complains about a spambot attac, but it fails to send a mail to postmaster by mail() |
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| 09:10.13 | vladuke | DANYAL: for already created users you should edit /home/$USERNAME/.bashrc |
| 09:10.26 | vladuke | for new users add file to /etc/skel |
| 09:10.58 | Iridos | err... |
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| 09:11.58 | DANYAL | it is possible to hide /etc/profile from users? |
| 09:12.52 | Moult | new to debian - my apache server is not prompting for a login when i setup a htpasswd login. it's definitely catching the rule, as if i change the path to the htpasswd file to something random, i see the error logs for could not open password file. any ideas? |
| 09:13.01 | Iridos | DANYAL, /etc/bash.bashrc and/or /etc/profile ... profile for login-shells, bash.bashrc for non-login shells ; set PS1 |
| 09:13.50 | Iridos | Moult, didn't set the auth method? |
| 09:14.12 | Moult | Iridos: I have "AuthType Basic" set |
| 09:14.54 | Iridos | Moult, require ...? |
| 09:15.02 | Moult | Iridos: "Require valid-user" |
| 09:15.09 | Moult | Iridos: even with "Require user foo" doesn't work |
| 09:15.32 | Moult | Iridos: oh, strange |
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| 09:15.44 | Moult | Iridos: if i change to "Require user foobar", where foobar is _not_ listed in the htpasswd, it works |
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| 09:16.04 | ChrisH | floogy: I would check sendmail log and if log reading is not enough, replace sendmail with a wrapper script that would log anything before it passed the arguments to real-sendmail |
| 09:16.05 | Iridos | dunno, I have one that just uses AuthType, AuthName, require and authUserFile (and /dev/null as AuthGroupFile, can't remember why that's there) |
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| 09:16.48 | Moult | Iridos: hum, it doesn't like the username "git", it seems :s |
| 09:17.10 | Iridos | Moult, and your htpasswd looks like: |
| 09:17.23 | Moult | Iridos: my htpasswd has git:whatever in it |
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| 09:17.26 | Iridos | user:2tn1Vr4Y4r3vo |
| 09:17.34 | Moult | where whatever is the crypted pass |
| 09:17.49 | Moult | if i change the name to something else, it works |
| 09:17.50 | Moult | very strange |
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| 09:18.58 | Iridos | then I suggest you change the name to something else :) |
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| 09:22.12 | Moult | Iridos: oh well :) |
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| 09:23.40 | DANYAL | my root passwd and every thing is ok but su - root is not logging me in root |
| 09:23.49 | DANYAL | it saying Authentication failure |
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| 09:44.55 | ChrisH | DANYAL: 1. Why do you thing your root-pw is ok? 2. can you login on a TTY as root? 3. What does /var/log/auth.log show? |
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| 09:57.45 | DANYAL | ChrisH : Jan 23 13:56:47 Thunder unix_chkpwd[907]: check pass; user unknown |
| 09:57.45 | DANYAL | Jan 23 13:56:47 Thunder unix_chkpwd[907]: password check failed for user (root) |
| 09:57.45 | DANYAL | Jan 23 13:56:47 Thunder su[906]: pam_unix(su:auth): authentication failure; |
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| 10:00.24 | DANYAL | ChrisH u there? |
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| 10:02.29 | ChrisH | DANYAL: I am here. don't hurry. What about Questions 1 and 2? |
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| 10:02.35 | jelly | DANYAL: what about just "su -" instead |
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| 10:03.06 | DANYAL | ChrisH yes i can login dirct from same password |
| 10:03.13 | DANYAL | but cant from su |
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| 10:04.38 | DANYAL | jelly same error from su - :( |
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| 10:05.00 | jelly | user unknown is unusual |
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| 10:05.51 | ChrisH | DANYAL: egrep -e ":0:|root" /etc/passwd does that command produce more than one line? |
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| 10:06.18 | DANYAL | no just this: root:x:0:0:root:/root:/bin/bash |
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| 10:08.41 | ChrisH | DANYAL: thats fine. I would set the root pw once more as user: sudo passwd root and retest afterwards. having a root shell open is not a bad idea. |
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| 10:17.16 | DANYAL | ChrisH i dont understand? |
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| 10:17.44 | DANYAL | i change the passwd with sudo passwd root. but same error |
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| 10:18.36 | omid8bimo | hello, i have an HP printer connected directly to my network and i get this error when try to print to it after adding it to my system via cups, processing since |
| 10:18.39 | omid8bimo | Wed 23 Jan 2013 01:48:28 PM IRSTÂ |
| 10:18.41 | omid8bimo | "/usr/lib/cups/filter/hpcups failed" |
| 10:18.47 | ChrisH | DANYAL: pastebin command + tail from autth.log to paste.debian.net |
| 10:18.51 | omid8bimo | here is the syslog info -> http://paste.debian.net/227757/ |
| 10:19.06 | omid8bimo | anyone familiar with this issue? |
| 10:22.24 | DANYAL | ChanServ |
| 10:22.26 | DANYAL | ChrisH |
| 10:22.26 | DANYAL | http://paste.debian.net/227775/ |
| 10:22.49 | ChrisH | omid8bimo: is that the error_log as line 1 suggested? Lines 100- suggest all worked well |
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| 10:23.48 | ChrisH | DANYAL: Did you read what I asked for? |
| 10:23.52 | omid8bimo | ChrisH: yes. /var/log/cups/error_log. but i get error of "/usr/lib/cups/filter/hpcups failed" in cups interface |
| 10:24.02 | jww | Hello. |
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| 10:24.14 | ChrisH | omid8bimo: pastebin lpstat -t please |
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| 10:25.00 | omid8bimo | ChrisH: http://paste.debian.net/227776/ |
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| 10:26.34 | ChrisH | omid8bimo: there is still a job active. That job failed. _Can_ you reprint that job? I do not asked to print again NOW. |
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| 10:27.27 | omid8bimo | ChrisH: yes i can. i tried reprint and again fails. this job is my actual print. i cancel it and reprint againg still the same error |
| 10:27.55 | ChrisH | omid8bimo: If you cancel the jobs, does to go away from lpstat -t? |
| 10:28.53 | omid8bimo | ChrisH: yes. if i cancel, lpstat -t is empty; only this msg: Waiting for printer to finish. |
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| 10:29.21 | ChrisH | omid8bimo: check using ps -efl | egrep -e "lp|print|ipp" for left-over processes and kill them |
| 10:30.30 | omid8bimo | ChrisH: this is the output, http://paste.debian.net/227777/ doesnt look related! does it? |
| 10:30.42 | DANYAL | ChrisH i dont undertsnad wht u want? |
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| 10:31.14 | ChrisH | omid8bimo: looks OK. how das lpstat -t look now? |
| 10:31.34 | omid8bimo | ChrisH: says Ready to print. |
| 10:32.04 | omid8bimo | ChrisH: of course when i try again now to print, the job fails with that same error |
| 10:32.12 | ChrisH | DANYAL: I asked you to pastbin the command you executed (sudo passwd root incl. systems response) and the corresponding part (tail) from auth.log |
| 10:32.23 | DANYAL | oh ok |
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| 10:35.36 | ChrisH | omid8bimo: can you put that job into a pdf or ps file and check it using eg. okular? I sametimes saw printjobs causing errors in CUPS and/or in the printer itself. sometimes it helps printing to a file and print from a viewing the pdf/ps file again. |
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| 10:36.36 | omid8bimo | ChrisH: i can open a pdf file and try print that if you think its a good test |
| 10:37.28 | ChrisH | omid8bimo: not A pdf but a pdf from the stuff you wanted to print. assuming you print from a webbrowser or libreoffice or ... |
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| 10:38.17 | omid8bimo | ChrisH: ok, i'll print to a file from chrome then i will try to print that from acroread, |
| 10:39.43 | omid8bimo | ChrisH: again failed |
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| 10:42.35 | promptcommand | I need to know how to activate a openssh-server in d-i/preseed without using NetworkConsole. thx |
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| 10:47.11 | ChrisH | omid8bimo: just to make sure the pdf is correct: pdf2ps infile.pdf outfile.ps this should not generate any erros |
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| 10:48.39 | omid8bimo | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:48.57 | ChrisH | omid8bimo: I am allmost done with ideas, but powercycle printer and restart cups. sorry |
| 10:49.24 | omid8bimo | ChrisH: all right i'll try that. thanks for your hints :) |
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| 10:53.03 | meshuggah | hey, why did i got immediatly banned on #debian-next rigth when i joined? |
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| 10:53.52 | ChrisH | Is debian-next invitation-only? I am not sure |
| 10:54.05 | meshuggah | can u try to join there, plz? |
| 10:54.31 | meshuggah | i think it ban everyone, telling them to go to OFTC network instead for support about wheezy and sid |
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| 10:56.25 | ChrisH | !debian-next |
| 10:56.25 | dpkg | #debian-next is a channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net). |
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| 10:56.39 | ChrisH | meshuggah: does that answer it? |
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| 10:57.04 | meshuggah | well, why dont they close it instead of banning people that go there |
| 10:57.19 | meshuggah | this way is kinda rude |
| 10:57.43 | meshuggah | anyway |
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| 11:02.49 | medusaXX | hi |
| 11:03.16 | themill | meshuggah: there's no such thing as "closing a channel" other than preventing people from joining it |
| 11:03.40 | medusaXX | where can I find older package versions? i upgraded a package in testing and need the previous versions - if i do apt-get install package=olderversion, it says that it cannot find the package version |
| 11:03.49 | themill | !sdo |
| 11:03.49 | dpkg | http://snapshot.debian.org/ is an archive of almost all Debian packages uploaded since 2005, including those removed from the official archives because they were very buggy, unusable, broken, vulnerable or in some way non-free. This service replaces snapshot.debian.net. http://www.debian.org/News/2010/20100412 |
| 11:04.09 | RainbowW | so i set up an LVM volume, formatted it, and mounted it. it seems happy. i even stuck it into fstab. but the real question: will it survive a reboot, or will i need to write/install a script to start it? |
| 11:04.13 | medusaXX | thanks |
| 11:04.18 | themill | medusaXX: if it's a bug in the current package in wheezy, it would be great if you could report it and help fix it |
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| 11:04.23 | meshuggah | themill : oh ok, but still a +m channel with a 5 minutes timer before ban, and explaination on how to go to oftc and all, would be better suited and more polite, no? |
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| 11:04.43 | medusaXX | themill: i'll do that for sure, but i need a really quick solution |
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| 11:04.54 | ChrisH | RainbowW: its expected to be reboot safe. given the lvm modules are in initrd |
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| 11:05.01 | meshuggah | my heart got stressed for seconds cause of this :/ |
| 11:05.22 | themill | meshuggah: you can still end up with that becoming a spam-trap and that would require someone to set up, maintain and supervise a bot to do that. |
| 11:05.49 | themill | meshuggah: if you weren't already in #debian, you'd have just ended up here and not noticed. |
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| 11:06.10 | medusaXX | do i need an apt pin entry? |
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| 11:06.29 | RainbowW | ChrisH: w00t. i never have fixed my raid6 array to be rebootable. :) |
| 11:06.52 | themill | medusaXX: apt will want to ugprade that package next time, yes. So either don't upgrade it, or if you use aptitude for all your package management, aptitude forbid-version might be useful |
| 11:07.10 | medusaXX | ok thanks |
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| 11:11.18 | medusaXX | what is the actually the prefix in front of the : within the version number? |
| 11:11.28 | medusaXX | "1:3.25+dfsg1-3" |
| 11:11.33 | medusaXX | what is the 1: ? |
| 11:11.35 | babilen | dpkg: tell medusaXX about epoch |
| 11:11.44 | medusaXX | epoch? |
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| 11:12.37 | babilen | medusaXX: Yeah, see "/msg dpkg version epoch" for further details. (I erroneously had dpkg tell you about <epoch>) |
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| 11:12.53 | medusaXX | thanks |
| 11:15.01 | medusaXX | ok everything works again |
| 11:15.04 | medusaXX | you guys are great |
| 11:15.07 | niklaswe | does someone know if I can scp file from server A via laptop to Server B ? |
| 11:15.15 | niklaswe | and how should I do?.. |
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| 11:15.52 | medusaXX | should work, simply use two "remote" paths instead of one remote, one local path |
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| 11:57.47 | innociv | How do I see how many files are in a folder? |
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| 11:58.19 | ksk | find -f . | wc -l |
| 11:58.25 | ksk | includes files in subdirectories |
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| 12:00.41 | themill | hopes it is safe to assume that there are no n in the filenames |
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| 12:02.30 | innociv | That just returned 0 for me. |
| 12:02.31 | ksk | or otherwise my command would fail? |
| 12:02.39 | innociv | "find: unknown predicate `-f'" |
| 12:02.49 | ksk | err |
| 12:02.51 | ksk | sry |
| 12:03.12 | ksk | find . -type f | wc -l |
| 12:03.24 | ksk | in general: you should not just copy n paste stuff people tell you :> |
| 12:03.44 | innociv | heh |
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| 12:05.32 | Losowski | I like to use du -a [directory] |
| 12:05.47 | Losowski | for example, du -a /home/ejm/.config |
| 12:06.03 | farciarz84 | hi, pkg-config --modversion libdrm_nouveau shows me 0.6 but aptitude shows 2.4.4. Why and how to change it? |
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| 12:06.25 | ksk | pkg-config? |
| 12:06.52 | ksk | ah okay. im out :P |
| 12:07.19 | farciarz84 | Package requirements (libdrm_nouveau >= 2.4.33) were not met: |
| 12:07.20 | farciarz84 | Requested 'libdrm_nouveau >= 2.4.33' but version of libdrm_nouveau is 0.6 |
| 12:07.57 | innociv | 1161730 |
| 12:07.58 | innociv | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:08.30 | Losowski | innociv: What command did you use? |
| 12:09.01 | innociv | find /tmp -type f | wc -l |
| 12:09.26 | Losowski | innociv: Try this...go into root: du -a /tmp |
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| 12:09.41 | Losowski | innociv: It's a great command |
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| 12:10.22 | innociv | That returns far too much |
| 12:10.43 | Losowski | innociv: It's more detailed, and provides a grand total as well |
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| 12:11.19 | innociv | ah well. I had garbage collection for php sessions turned off. I put it on now so hopefully it'll sort itself out |
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| 12:48.21 | bluenemo | hi guys, i've got a domain (ultral.org) and i want that to point to server1. however i want to have xmpp ports 5222 and 5269 point to server2. best way for that is srv records right? (i'm using hetzner), should that work out? http://pastebin.com/m4Qqsnbr i'm getting host unknown from pidgin (using ejabberd on stable on conference.ultral.org) |
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| 12:50.20 | bluenemo | ah yes judging by the log it already works :) sry was puzzled. thx anyway :) just got to fix the host unknown issue now. |
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| 13:15.57 | subb1 | hi guys. |
| 13:16.37 | subb1 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 13:16.55 | abrotman | !tell subb1 about debian/rules |
| 13:17.06 | dsag | I get error for apt-get update http://pastebin.com/RjRRmWf7 can anyone tell me how I can fix it? |
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| 13:17.48 | abrotman | dsag: a) use another mirror b) use archive.debian.org |
| 13:17.58 | abrotman | dsag: c) you really shouldn't be using lenny anymore |
| 13:18.08 | esseks | Hi guys! Is there any hope to have colorized output for dpkg/apt? |
| 13:18.15 | dsag | abortman: how I can change these settings? what file do I need to edit? |
| 13:18.19 | abrotman | esseks: patches welcome! |
| 13:18.25 | abrotman | dsag: /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 13:18.31 | dsag | thank you abortman |
| 13:19.57 | babilen | dpkg: tell dsag about lenny |
| 13:20.02 | esseks | abrotman: so the answer is that there is no way at the moment, is that right? |
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| 13:28.46 | ChrisH | dsag: you might want to check http://www.debian.org/distrib/archive |
| 13:29.11 | dsag | thank you ChrisH |
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| 13:41.45 | babilen | dsag: well, you really want to upgrade to squeeze /now/ - everything else is irresponsible. It's been long enough and about time |
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| 13:42.17 | dsag | thank you babilen |
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| 13:48.23 | Rix | hi, i'm trying to install debian from usb.. currently using pendrive and I boot to the installation even select language but then i got error: 'the cd-rom does not seem to contain valid 'release' file..' |
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| 13:48.32 | Rix | i am using 6.0.6-netinst |
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| 13:49.11 | babilen | Rix: How did you copy the image to the USB stick? |
| 13:49.14 | Rix | actually 6.0.6-businesscard |
| 13:49.28 | Rix | yes and the installation is starting |
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| 13:49.49 | Rix | keymap chosen |
| 13:50.16 | babilen | Rix: How did you copy the image to the USB stick? |
| 13:50.20 | Rix | i am using pendrive |
| 13:50.30 | babilen | As in pendrive linux? |
| 13:50.50 | Rix | the YUMI |
| 13:50.55 | Rix | multiboot installer |
| 13:51.06 | babilen | dpkg: tell Rix -about usb install |
| 13:51.09 | Rix | it is for live booting but I actually put the iso for install |
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| 13:51.48 | babilen | Rix: I have no experience with whatever you used there, but it is not the normal way to create an installer. While you are here: What do you plan to use that system for and on what kind of hardware are you installing? |
| 13:51.51 | ChrisH | Rix: simple question: HOW did you get the image onto the Stcik? cp, dd, someting else ? |
| 13:52.29 | else- | if a package was removed from wheezy (due to rc-critical bugs), is there anywhere i can still find it? |
| 13:52.35 | linuxusr | Hi i add additional 2 ip`s on my debian based dedicated server by editing /etc/network/interfaces |
| 13:52.36 | linuxusr | http://pastebin.com/XBuc7UvN >> please check for me the configration is right >> Thanks |
| 13:52.38 | Rix | first i tried dd but the usb isnt booting, then i've put pendrive usb multiboot in windows and installed the distro |
| 13:52.41 | babilen | ChrisH: I have the impression that "pendrive" (which I assume to refer to pendrive linux) provides some kind of "installer" to create USB images and "copy" those to USB sticks |
| 13:52.52 | Rix | i meant not installed but setup for booting |
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| 13:53.24 | Rix | yes YUMI |
| 13:53.27 | Rix | boot loader |
| 13:53.38 | Rix | http://www.pendrivelinux.com/yumi-multiboot-usb-creator/ |
| 13:54.14 | Rix | it works fine with live distros but cant make it to install debian to hdd |
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| 13:54.38 | babilen | Rix: We do not support that - simply running "cat the.iso > /dev/sdX ; sync" is enough (with /dev/sdX being something like /dev/sdb and, in particular, the USB sticks block device) |
| 13:55.18 | Rix | isnt it needed dd |
| 13:55.18 | babilen | Rix: And now back to my earlier question: What do you plan to use that system for and on what kind of hardware are you installing? |
| 13:55.26 | builder | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:55.30 | Rix | netbook |
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| 13:55.34 | Rix | i just want to use debian |
| 13:55.45 | Rix | so no cd-rom |
| 13:55.47 | Rix | must use usb |
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| 13:56.21 | Rix | somehow dd if=debian-*-netinst.iso of=/dev/sdX didnt work |
| 13:56.36 | linuxusr | Hi i add additional 2 ip`s on my debian based dedicated server by editing /etc/network/interfaces >> http://pastebin.com/XBuc7UvN >> please check for me the configration is right >> Thanks in Adnace for your kind time :) |
| 13:56.40 | babilen | Rix: Yeah, that is fine and no problem. First of all: Please use a supported and tested method to copy the image to an USB stick (see "/msg dpkg usb install" for documentation). And I simply ask because it might make sense for you to use a different image than the one you are using. |
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| 13:57.21 | Rix | okey thanks a lot babilen |
| 13:57.29 | babilen | Rix: What did you work about that? What happened when you used dd? Note that you can easily use cat or cp in lieu of dd there (faster and IMHO saner syntax) |
| 13:57.46 | Rix | babilen the usb didnt booted |
| 13:58.05 | Rix | the bios freeze with a - |
| 13:58.06 | babilen | Which image is that and on which OS did you create the installer? |
| 13:58.08 | Rix | no load at all |
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| 13:58.26 | Rix | 6.0.6 i386 netinst |
| 13:58.36 | Rix | maybe it is usb problem? |
| 13:58.48 | Rix | i will try again brb |
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| 13:59.18 | babilen | Rix: that is not what I meant. Which operating system did you run "dd ...." on to copy the image to the USB? |
| 13:59.46 | Rix | live debian 6.* with lxfe |
| 14:00.02 | Rix | (used the pendrive multiboot live usb) |
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| 14:00.14 | babilen | Ah, you booted a live CD and created the installer from there? |
| 14:00.34 | wols_ | why not use the live cd and install debian from there? |
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| 14:02.07 | Rix | babilen yes |
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| 14:02.16 | Rix | wols_ tried but the button didnt work |
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| 14:07.55 | babilen | Rix: To get things straight: The supported method to create the installer is to "cat debian-image.iso > /dev/sdX ; sync" which has been tested and is known to work. If you plan to use this for your personal box I would recommend to install wheezy these days (which will be released soon) |
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| 14:08.20 | babilen | Rix: You can get images with firmware from http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/daily-builds/wheezy_d-i/current/ |
| 14:08.25 | Rix | thanks a lot :)) |
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| 14:09.17 | babilen | Rix: The important part, however, is to create the installer in a supported fashion. (both squeeze and wheezy /should/ work) -- I don't quite know that might have gone wrong when you ran the dd command, but *shrug* |
| 14:09.46 | babilen | Rix: wheezy will be the next stable and is expected to be released in a couple of months (I reckon 1½-5) |
| 14:09.46 | Rix | you are very helpful, thank you |
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| 14:12.45 | wols_ | babilen: you need to be more vague in your release estimates :P |
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| 14:14.09 | babilen | wols_: ok (i've been estimating 2-5 months for a while now, so I switched to 1½ :) |
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| 14:23.04 | invariant | How many different people test a new Debian release before it is released? 10s/100s/1000s/10000s? |
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| 14:24.52 | ChrisH | invariant: http://popcon.debian.org/ might be one starting point to get an idea |
| 14:25.44 | invariant | ChrisH, also, can something be said like that a new stable release is objectively better than a previous one in some sense? |
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| 14:27.16 | invariant | ChrisH, why do those images show 30000 as 30000.000? |
| 14:27.18 | ChrisH | invariant: it does no longer have the Bugs the previous version had |
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| 14:29.37 | ChrisH | invariant: dunno |
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| 14:34.08 | sfan5 | how do i build install and run a custom kernel the easiest way? |
| 14:34.33 | babilen | sfan5: Why is that necessary? |
| 14:35.22 | sfan5 | want to test 42fs |
| 14:35.26 | sfan5 | *f2fs |
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| 14:35.40 | babilen | sfan5: And you need to compile your own kernel to do so? |
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| 14:36.25 | sfan5 | there is no prcompiled linux kernel for debian with f2fs enabled |
| 14:36.30 | sfan5 | *precompiled |
| 14:36.33 | vladuke | http://kernel-handbook.alioth.debian.org/ch-common-tasks.html |
| 14:36.41 | babilen | sfan5: Either way: http://kernel-handbook.alioth.debian.org/ch-common-tasks.html is the documentation you want |
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| 14:36.57 | babilen | sfan5: It was pulled into 3.8 wasn't it? |
| 14:37.14 | sfan5 | yes |
| 14:37.19 | ChrisH | what is f2fs? |
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| 14:37.29 | sfan5 | i'm building 3.8-rc2 righzt now |
| 14:37.34 | vladuke | flash drive fs |
| 14:37.39 | sfan5 | ChrisH: look it up on wikipedia |
| 14:37.43 | vladuke | developed by samsung |
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| 14:37.59 | jem^ | just been looking at removing some unused applications from my squeeze laptop, but 'apt-get remove transmission-gtk' seems to want to remove all of my Gnome desktop environment and apps. Intended or a bug? |
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| 14:38.34 | ChrisH | jem^: run aptitude why transmission-gtk |
| 14:39.02 | jem^ | gnome depends on it |
| 14:39.20 | jem^ | but why should a whole desktop environment depend upon a bittorrent client app |
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| 14:39.44 | jem^ | i gnome Depends tranmission-gtk, btw |
| 14:39.58 | babilen | sfan5: yeah, no 3.8 kernel yet on the mirrors |
| 14:40.26 | vladuke | 3.8-rc4 |
| 14:40.36 | sfan5 | its currently at " fs/jbd2" any idea how long it is going to take? |
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| 14:44.15 | JordiGH | Are there sonames in GNU/kFreeBSD? |
| 14:44.23 | JordiGH | Or are sonames purely a Linux thing? |
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| 14:45.51 | zerick | Hi guys, Does anybody know how to determine from which sourcelist was downloaded a package ? |
| 14:47.42 | themill | !which repo |
| 14:47.42 | dpkg | To see what repository a package may have come from, try http://svn.noreply.org/svn/weaselutils/trunk/apt-listrepository , or use dpkg -l | awk '/^.i/ {print $2}' | xargs apt-cache policy | awk '/^[a-z0-9.\-]+:/ {pkg=$1}; /\*\*\*/ {OFS="\t"; ver=$2; getline; print pkg,ver,$2,$3}', or ask me about <obsolete>, or http://people.debian.org/~dannf/apt-inventory, or <bdo list>, or <dmm list> |
| 14:48.01 | jem^ | hmm, think transmission-gtk is part of the gnome meta package |
| 14:48.14 | themill | zerick: (the output of "apt-cache policy packagename" might be enough) |
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| 14:48.40 | Rix | babilen cp didnt work too |
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| 14:51.23 | ChrisH | Rix: are you still trying with iso and USB stick? If yes, babilen did not told to use cp |
| 14:51.43 | Rix | i meant cat sry |
| 14:52.05 | ChrisH | !not work |
| 14:52.06 | dpkg | "Doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message?". Ask me about <smart questions>, <sicco> and <errors>. |
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| 14:52.33 | Rix | it just doesnt load |
| 14:52.49 | Rix | nothing happens (I just see "-") |
| 14:52.52 | Rix | nothing loads |
| 14:53.00 | Rix | like the usb isnt bootable |
| 14:53.21 | zerick | Dpkg: Thanks |
| 14:53.21 | dpkg | bitte, zerick |
| 14:53.38 | zerick | themill: Thanks too :) |
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| 14:58.07 | Rix | perhaps i should install it using the live distro.. i've opened /install but dont know what to do |
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| 14:59.34 | Rix | so my situation is this: i have two flash usb sticks - one with live distro, one with 'cat > /dev...' image.. i've booted to the live usb and put the other usb and now I open the other usb like a installation disk - how do I install from here (cause the installation usb doesnt boot at all..) |
| 14:59.55 | Rix | like an* sorry for my english it is not my native |
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| 15:00.35 | Rix | is it possible to install while booted the live usb? |
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| 15:02.43 | ChrisH | Rix: the Stick with the cat should boot |
| 15:03.57 | Armand | sticks a cat in ChrisH's USB port... |
| 15:04.04 | Armand | O_o |
| 15:05.10 | Rix | ChrisH it should but it doesnt.. maybe it's faulty usb i dont know |
| 15:05.41 | Rix | i see the kernel in install.386 (vmlinuz) |
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| 15:11.12 | ChrisH | Rix: How did you boot the Live stuff? |
| 15:13.29 | Rix | ChrisH I have pendrive multiboot usb live installed and booted debian, then downloaded the .iso and made cat > ... to another usb stick then booted and selected this usb and it doesnt load.. so booted to the first usb (the live pendrive) and saw that everything was fine with the second usb(the inst package is there..) |
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| 15:14.13 | Rix | im reading now installation guides |
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| 15:14.56 | Rix | there should be syslinux.cfg or sth? |
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| 15:15.44 | Rix | but in gtk i find only install.bat isnt that for windows? |
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| 15:29.32 | ChrisH | Rix: which device file did you use exactly. |
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| 15:33.12 | Rix | the second usb sdc5 or sth |
| 15:33.31 | Rix | it is the right one i've checked and when i plugin i see the installation there |
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| 15:35.37 | ChrisH | sdc5 cannot be. You must use sdc no a partition |
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| 15:36.42 | Rix | oh |
| 15:36.44 | Rix | i'll try that |
| 15:36.51 | Rix | should i umount first? |
| 15:37.13 | ChrisH | Rix: 5:07 < babilen> Rix: To get things straight: The supported method to create the installer is to "cat debian-image.iso > /dev/sdX ; sync" |
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| 15:37.54 | ChrisH | Rix: umount is needed to prevent the OS from panic and/or breaking the image |
| 15:38.03 | babilen | Rix: Yes, you should umount first - and please read the installation guide as that is all discussed in there |
| 15:38.40 | babilen | IIRC I even mentioned /dev/sdb (as opposed to /dev/sdb5) as an example earlier |
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| 15:41.25 | Rix | oh my mistake im so lame |
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| 15:44.08 | babilen | Rix: don't worry -- that is the single most common mistake when it comes to this. Unfortunately your dd example also contained /dev/sdX and wasn't the actual command you used. |
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| 15:44.34 | babilen | Rix: I guess the thing to keep in mind here is: /always/ provide exact commands and their output if you have a problem :) |
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| 15:46.01 | Rix | yes thanks i will do that from now on |
| 15:46.02 | Rix | :> |
| 15:46.18 | Rix | rebooting now |
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| 15:47.36 | Rix | yes working like a dream, trying wheezy now :) thanks a lot babilen and ChrisH |
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| 15:56.05 | pmo | anyone know where i can check for the reason why some stuff isent included in the debian repo's ? |
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| 15:56.44 | Towzzer | pmo, no |
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| 15:56.52 | babilen | pmo: Such as? The most common reason is probably that nobody packaged something yet, but check the BTS for applicable reports |
| 15:57.01 | Towzzer | You woudl have to search mailing lists for names of software and see if people discussed adding it and blah blah |
| 15:57.25 | Towzzer | if it's something that isn't 100% free or had a strange license it won't be included |
| 15:58.41 | babilen | pmo: "applicable reports" are RMs (removals), ITPs and RFPs (/msg dpkg rfp ; /msg dpkg itp) |
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| 15:59.41 | b0ss_ | please anyone have "Google Desktop for Linux" ? |
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| 16:00.59 | babilen | b0ss_: discontinued AFAIK, also not really a Debian specific issue AFAICT |
| 16:01.00 | pmo | babilen: can dpkg tell me about kismet? |
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| 16:01.24 | pmo | dpkg tell pmo kismet |
| 16:01.31 | babilen | pmo: Try "/msg dpkg kismet" |
| 16:01.44 | babilen | dpkg: tell pmo -about selftell |
| 16:02.07 | hje841 | I'm trying to kill 'vim' but it doesn't work. the "ps ax" output says: "5672 ? D 0:05 vim app/view/EditUnit.js" I've tried the following without luck: "kill 5672", "kill -9 5672", "killall vim" |
| 16:02.08 | hje841 | any ideas? |
| 16:02.20 | pmo | ah it lists the number of the "bug" |
| 16:02.28 | pmo | i guess sid package will do |
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| 16:03.06 | b0ss_ | babilen: I'm aware it is discontinued. But it doesn't mean it's bad. |
| 16:03.37 | zmode | hje841: D means uninterruptible sleep. try killing its parent |
| 16:03.52 | hje841 | zmode, so the terminal? |
| 16:04.00 | vt0r | hje841, a ps -ef should show the parent process in a nice format |
| 16:04.13 | vt0r | But yes most likely the shell |
| 16:04.29 | zmode | hje841: what vt0r said. an other way, if you have nothing else running in that terminal is to xkill it. |
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| 16:06.05 | hje841 | zmode, that sucks, cause my dorm firewall login is using one 'window' in my terminator terminal.. and vim has opened a file from a vpn mounted folder |
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| 16:07.33 | quechec | hi; can I say something like `ffmpeg -i INPUT -c:a vorbis -c:b 256k -vn OUTPUT.ogg' and tell ffmpeg to set the output bitrate lower, respectively, depending on whether it makes sense regarding the input quality? |
| 16:07.49 | zmode | hje841: not exactly following. what do you define as 'dorm firewall login'? |
| 16:08.07 | vt0r | Not sure what any of that last message meant, but you can easily just kill the parent process. If you're running another terminal window in screen or something, it will be unaffected by this unless you're killing a multi-window screen, hje841 |
| 16:08.27 | vt0r | multi-window screen process* |
| 16:08.46 | zmode | quechec: you're looking for VBR maybe? there's also #ffmpeg on freenode |
| 16:09.18 | zmode | vt0r: he should still be able to kill the shell of that window |
| 16:09.24 | vt0r | quechec, you could script something to just run ffmpeg -i blah.blah with no other options to print some basic info about the file, then proceed accordingly? |
| 16:09.25 | pmo | ah worked fine from sid, both kismet and wireshark |
| 16:09.26 | quechec | zmode: no, I don't mean VBR. |
| 16:09.28 | hje841 | zmode, to use the internet in my dormatory I need to do a SSH login of sorts. and that keeps me from killing terminator |
| 16:09.45 | vt0r | what's terminator? |
| 16:10.03 | zmode | hje841: your _local_ instance of terminator? |
| 16:10.22 | quechec | vt0r: I am going to script it, right. That's why I don't want to get info about every and any conversion but have the script do the work :) |
| 16:10.49 | quechec | zmode: I was talking about overall higher and lower bitrate. Not VBR |
| 16:11.19 | vt0r | quechec, so then proceed as I said above. Just use grep and/or awk to get the bitrate from the ffmpeg -i blah output and use that to determine the settings. |
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| 16:11.57 | quechec | vt0r: as I said above, I want to script it and the script do the stuff, not me :) |
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| 16:12.49 | vt0r | ok I give up. Just gave you the answer twice |
| 16:13.02 | quechec | vt0r: the best would be if ffmpeg itself knew if a bitrate of 256k makes sense, for example on a 96k mp3 file |
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| 16:13.15 | quechec | (what should not make really sense, imho) |
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| 16:13.55 | UukGoblin | hi guys, sorry to repeat myself but I still haven't found an answer: I'm having problems connecting to wifi networks. Network manager just keeps asking for a password, even though the password is correct (I've tested the password on another device and OS). Logs show things similar to: http://paste.debian.net/227379/ |
| 16:13.58 | Kalidarn | hmm, im getting "Hash Sum Mismatch", on wheezy, is anyone else? |
| 16:14.10 | Kalidarn | ive tried the US and UK mirrors. |
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| 16:15.01 | vt0r | UukGoblin, no paste appeared at that link |
| 16:15.06 | quechec | vt0r: ah sorry, you meant I should script awk and stuff? I don't understand that. But that's so basic that it very likely integrated into ffmpeg |
| 16:15.16 | vt0r | I doubt it |
| 16:15.29 | vt0r | ffmpeg has VBR and ABR, which do something like what you want |
| 16:15.30 | hje841 | zmode, yes, my local instance |
| 16:15.47 | quechec | vt0r: doesn't ffmpeg need the bitrate when vbr is set? |
| 16:15.50 | vt0r | however, as far as I know, there is no intelligent mechanism to decide the bitrate for you. |
| 16:15.56 | vt0r | no |
| 16:16.02 | quechec | vt0r: thought it needs something like an average |
| 16:16.02 | vt0r | -V2 or similar |
| 16:16.35 | vt0r | sorry that's lame syntax. getting the man page link |
| 16:16.37 | vt0r | One sec |
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| 16:17.04 | tony_ | hi i am a beginner to mysql and have a basic question regarding starting and stoppign service. At boot time I am stopping service, deleting all the directories from /var/lib/mysql, and pointing a soft link to another location containing the exact same files. When i try to start service it says it failed. What am i missing here |
| 16:17.14 | vt0r | quechec, -aq q |
| 16:17.14 | vt0r | Set the audio quality (codec-specific, VBR ). |
| 16:17.40 | vt0r | tony_, are you doing this every time? |
| 16:17.55 | tony_ | no i have a first boot script that does it exactly once |
| 16:18.07 | hje841 | zmode, it could be a leftover from a vpn failure earlier today, when vim crashed due to it. I had to close that terminator window to get going again |
| 16:18.12 | tony_ | but i have also tried these steps manually on a booted system. and i see the same problem |
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| 16:18.32 | quechec | vt0r: thanks ;) |
| 16:18.37 | vt0r | No problem |
| 16:18.52 | vt0r | tony_, I'm not quite sure I understand fully. Please explain the steps in better detail |
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| 16:19.04 | tony_ | vt0r: sure |
| 16:19.41 | tony_ | when the service is running fine, 1. Copy all teh files from /var/lib/mysql to /opt/self/mysql |
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| 16:20.11 | UukGoblin | vt0r, indeed, "Some strange error has been occurred". Probably expired, I pasted it yesterday. Here's a repaste: http://paste.debian.net/227881/ |
| 16:20.14 | tony_ | 2, rm -rf /var/lib/mysql 3. ln -s /opt/self/mysql /var/lib/mysql 4. service mysql start |
| 16:20.17 | tony_ | and that fails |
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| 16:20.58 | vt0r | tony_, why not just change the datadir to /opt/self/mysql rather than using symlinks? |
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| 16:21.09 | tony_ | also when i do a ps ax | grep mysql, i find that it is running under user=mysql. and i am doing these commands as root. |
| 16:21.59 | vt0r | tony_, the files must be read/write for user mysql as well |
| 16:22.13 | vt0r | This could very well be the issue, but I would move the datadir to avoid messy symlinks |
| 16:22.40 | vt0r | (also the directory they reside in must be read/write/execute for mysql) |
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| 16:23.21 | vt0r | UukGoblin, Not seeing very much information there really. The timeout could possibly indicate a mismatch in settings or something. Is it WPA1 or WPA2? TKIP? AES? Both? Radius? |
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| 16:23.37 | tony_ | vt0r: thanks. let me do some more research and get back |
| 16:23.44 | vt0r | Sure. No problem |
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| 16:24.01 | UukGoblin | vt0r, very similar behaviour on WPA2-PSK and WEP access points |
| 16:24.11 | UukGoblin | vt0r, I know there's not much there - any idea how I could get some more info? |
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| 16:24.32 | vt0r | Very strange.. Let me see how to make wpa_supplicant output debug info via NetworkManager |
| 16:25.01 | Leoneof | hello, i can't change the resolution in the list menu in "Monitors" nor in nvidia settings too, it has only one which is 1280x800. |
| 16:25.05 | UukGoblin | vt0r, this is a macbook pro 8.2 with the b43 driver and firmware |
| 16:25.23 | UukGoblin | but I guess the driver works, as the card shows up as wlan0 and I can successfully scan all nearby APs |
| 16:25.30 | awc737 | hey, I am on debian trying to get Win 7 connected to my debian localhost from a VM |
| 16:25.46 | awc737 | I've tried NAT and Bridged. ipconfig /all shows no IP addresses |
| 16:25.49 | UukGoblin | I used firmware-b43-installer to get the firmware |
| 16:25.57 | UukGoblin | I might have done something badly |
| 16:25.59 | awc737 | ifconfig vboxnet0 - 192.168.56.1 |
| 16:26.05 | awc737 | typing that in debian connects me to my localhost, from WIndows VM nothing |
| 16:26.21 | hje841 | zmode, ps -ef gives me this: 1000 5672 1 0 10:58 ? 00:00:05 vim app/view/EditUnit.js |
| 16:26.29 | hje841 | zmode, not sure what to make of it |
| 16:26.36 | UukGoblin | awc737, I guess you need to set up an IP inside Windows too |
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| 16:27.01 | awc737 | UukGoblin, I'm trying to access my physical machine from Windows, not access Windows from my physical machine |
| 16:27.37 | zmode | hje841: the top row tells you what each column is |
| 16:27.37 | UukGoblin | awc737, well to get network connectivity between two hosts, both need to have an IP address configured |
| 16:28.10 | UukGoblin | awc737, i.e. 192.168.1.2 in Windows and 192.168.1.1 in the host |
| 16:28.22 | awc737 | UukGoblin, where do I assign that |
| 16:28.38 | UukGoblin | awc737, somewhere in Windows's control panel |
| 16:28.50 | hje841 | zmode, okay, I've grep'ed out the line of interest.. so ppid is 1. |
| 16:28.59 | hje841 | and killing that would kill what? |
| 16:28.59 | zmode | hje841: well that's bad. |
| 16:29.08 | zmode | hje841: your system, mostly. |
| 16:29.53 | hje841 | zmode, so this instance of vim is holding a mounted folder across a vpn connection captive :S |
| 16:29.56 | zmode | hje841: so you setsid'd your vim or something? |
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| 16:30.24 | hje841 | zmode, no idea. it stalled when the vpn connection got unstable |
| 16:30.48 | awc737 | I don't think that happens in Windows UukGoblin |
| 16:30.50 | awc737 | I think the router |
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| 16:31.15 | hje841 | zmode, what's the worst thing that could happen if I pulled the plug on my computer? |
| 16:31.24 | UukGoblin | awc737, if you have a DHCP server (i.e. a router), then yes, Windows could use just that. |
| 16:31.36 | awc737 | I don't though |
| 16:31.52 | zmode | hje841: i'm almost certain you're doing something wrong. isn't vim running on a remote host? |
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| 16:32.39 | shirish | hi all, need help. stuck with no gui on tty7. using ircII on tty1. |
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| 16:33.10 | hje841 | zmode, I've cd'ed into a folder that is mounted across a vpn connection (the folder is on a Win box) and then opened vim from there. |
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| 16:35.58 | Leoneof | hmm, i can't change the resolution in the list menu in "Monitors" nor in nvidia settings too, it has only one which is 1280x800. |
| 16:36.02 | Leoneof | any idea? |
| 16:36.36 | hje841 | zmode, okay, I'm running out of time I need to pull the plug on my computer |
| 16:36.38 | hje841 | argh! |
| 16:36.41 | zmode | hje841: well, you could forcefully umount |
| 16:36.48 | hje841 | zmode, how+ |
| 16:36.49 | hje841 | ? |
| 16:36.57 | zmode | hje841: umount -f /whatever/mount |
| 16:37.10 | awc737 | in Debian, where can I see what wireless adapter model I have? |
| 16:37.11 | awc737 | or driver? |
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| 16:37.40 | hje841 | zmode, that says 'device busy' |
| 16:38.22 | zmode | hje841: right. poweroff your machine since you're in a hurry. don't unplug it |
| 16:38.25 | zmode | just power off |
| 16:38.30 | zmode | if it fails to do so, REISUB |
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| 16:38.45 | zmode | may the sync be with you. |
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| 16:38.53 | hje841 | thanks |
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| 16:39.06 | zmode | hje841: poweroff as in, normally. no buttons on towers. |
| 16:39.43 | zmode | awc737: lsusb, if it's usb or internal usb |
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| 16:46.05 | shirish | can anybody help me/tell me why gdm3 doesn't show me the login screen or anything for that matter. |
| 16:46.27 | shirish | I'm on tty1 and using ircII to get help. Please help. |
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| 16:47.14 | nicknicknick23 | can anybody help me/tell me why gdm3 doesn't show me the login screen or anything for that matter on tty7 |
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| 16:48.10 | factor | What is the generic program to change resolution in xwindows |
| 16:48.27 | themill | factor: xrandr |
| 16:49.14 | factor | thanks |
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| 16:59.07 | quechec | vt0r: do you know what the `q' in `-aq q' stands for? I don't find it documented somewhere, though people are setting an int value I don't understand (some `-aq 6' some `0')? |
| 17:00.51 | vt0r | It's an integer. For Ogg, it should be the same as the Ogg quality settings |
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| 17:01.18 | vt0r | http://www.vorbis.com/faq/#quality |
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| 17:02.21 | quechec | vt0r: what quality settings? I know bitrates in the hundreds, no int values below 10 ;) |
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| 17:02.59 | quechec | vt0r: thanks for the link |
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| 17:04.12 | quechec | vt0r: sorry the question, but how did you find this link of good documentation? I did not find it with several phrases |
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| 17:12.33 | iwl3945 | Hi every body! I have just install lucid lynx on my HP Compaq nc6400 and the wifi doesn't work at all. PLEASE HELP |
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| 17:13.03 | nkuttler | !ubuntu |
| 17:13.03 | dpkg | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian. Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu on chat.freenode.net instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian> and <ubuntuirc>. |
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| 17:13.34 | kriebz | that *has* to be a troll |
| 17:13.46 | Towzzer | why? |
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| 17:13.57 | nkuttler | kriebz: so don't feed it |
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| 17:14.06 | kriebz | just laughing |
| 17:14.09 | zykotick9 | iwl3945: sidenote, lucid was based on squeeze (while it was in testing). there is more support for squeeze left then lucid i believe. just sayin'. |
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| 17:15.27 | timmmaaaayyy | sudo apt-get upgrade --> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 4 not upgraded. ---- why would it not upgrade those 4? |
| 17:15.46 | Towzzer | packages can be held back |
| 17:15.48 | babilen | timmmaaaayyy: Try a dist-upgrade |
| 17:15.50 | zykotick9 | timmmaaaayyy: try "apt-get dist-upgrade" instead... |
| 17:16.03 | babilen | dpkg: tell timmmaaaayyy -about held back |
| 17:16.32 | babilen | timmmaaaayyy: I would also recommend to read "man apt-get" to understand the difference between "upgrade" and "dist-upgrade" -- Which version of Debian is that? |
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| 17:17.28 | timmmaaaayyy | that was cool. thanks!! |
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| 17:18.12 | timmmaaaayyy | raspbian….so i don't really know |
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| 17:19.16 | bgribble | For my new laptop (ivy bridge) to work reliably, I need a 3.5 or newer kernel (amd64). Am I right that my only Debian kernel option is to go 3.7? And that there is no -rt- version of 3.7, either Debian or upstream? |
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| 17:20.02 | themill | timmmaaaayyy: this can also be caused by dependencies not being fulfilled yet. Please ask raspbian questions in #raspbian as they will know the answers better than we will. |
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| 17:20.15 | JohnnyL | Do you need a printer installed to install CUPS? |
| 17:20.21 | kriebz | no |
| 17:20.23 | babilen | timmmaaaayyy: You want #raspbian for help with that (see "/msg dpkg raspbian" and "/msg dpkg based on debian") |
| 17:20.30 | babilen | JohnnyL: No, you don't |
| 17:20.42 | JohnnyL | I'm getting errors 'cups-common is not going to be installed' after an apt-get install. |
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| 17:21.12 | timmmaaaayyy | cool. thanks again |
| 17:21.13 | babilen | bgribble: My understanding was that Debian's 3.2 kernel supports ivy bridge, but let me double check. Have you tried wheezy? |
| 17:21.13 | JohnnyL | should i just -f it? lol |
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| 17:21.41 | kriebz | JohnnyL: run `apt-get -f install` and see what shakes out |
| 17:21.50 | JohnnyL | kriebz: ok |
| 17:21.52 | themill | JohnnyL: -f doesn't do what you think. Check the man page. Perhaps you should stick the command you gave and entire output in a pastebin |
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| 17:22.33 | bgribble | babilen: I have been on unstable a long time (~10 years :). the 3.2 kernel boots and works OK, but there's a bug with the intel graphics that was worked around in a 3.5 patch. I have seen it lock up my machine on Debian's 3.2 kernel many times. |
| 17:22.57 | JohnnyL | oh well -f doesn't work either. |
| 17:23.11 | kriebz | pastebin what you're doing |
| 17:23.22 | babilen | bgribble: Hmm, I can't find the thread I was thinking about on -devel (or it was about a different platform) - You can, however, install a 3.7 kernel quite easily from experimental if that is necessary. Lets see if we can find the bug report in the BTS |
| 17:23.24 | JohnnyL | apt-get -f install cups |
| 17:23.31 | themill | dpkg: tell JohnnyL about paste |
| 17:23.48 | JohnnyL | cups-client has 'unmet dependencies'. |
| 17:23.49 | kriebz | no, just end at "install". but seriously, pastebin that |
| 17:23.54 | JohnnyL | It's on another machine. |
| 17:24.02 | kriebz | ssh |
| 17:24.02 | bgribble | babilen: the 3.7 kernel from experimental works well too, but I need a -rt patched kernel, and the upstream patch only goes to 3.6.11 -- and no 3.6 amd64 kernel in experimental for some reason |
| 17:24.03 | themill | JohnnyL: please pastebin the entire output... |
| 17:24.33 | Arrowmaster | 3.6 was in experimental until it was replaced by 3.7 |
| 17:25.03 | Arrowmaster | does the archive do experimental too? |
| 17:25.17 | themill | !sdo |
| 17:25.18 | dpkg | http://snapshot.debian.org/ is an archive of almost all Debian packages uploaded since 2005, including those removed from the official archives because they were very buggy, unusable, broken, vulnerable or in some way non-free. This service replaces snapshot.debian.net. http://www.debian.org/News/2010/20100412 |
| 17:25.35 | babilen | bgribble: Is there no 3.7 -rt kernel? |
| 17:25.37 | babilen | checks |
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| 17:25.55 | babilen | No, there isn't |
| 17:25.57 | bgribble | babilen: nope, and the BTS report you are looking for is #689268 |
| 17:26.09 | babilen | bgribble: Yeah, I found that some time ago |
| 17:26.57 | bgribble | :) I may just have to revert to all custom kernels for a while, not that big a deal |
| 17:27.13 | babilen | Looks like it, yeah. |
| 17:27.18 | bgribble | it just seemed weird that debian jumps from 3.2 to 3.7, I was wondering if there was some backstory |
| 17:27.47 | Arrowmaster | it exists http://snapshot.debian.org/binary/linux-image-3.6-trunk-rt-amd64/ |
| 17:27.59 | babilen | 3.2 is the LTS kernel in wheezy (next stable) and 3.7 the newest one that is packaged (and uploaded to exp due to the freeze) |
| 17:28.22 | Arrowmaster | or if you need 32bit http://snapshot.debian.org/binary/linux-image-3.6-trunk-rt-686-pae/ |
| 17:28.25 | wols_ | babilen: begone with this evil word! :P |
| 17:28.28 | babilen | bgribble: You might want to investigate why there isn't a 3.7 -rt- variant on experimental |
| 17:28.45 | bgribble | Arrowmaster! thanks! I would not have known to look there |
| 17:29.32 | Arrowmaster | if you need additional packages like headers or other stuff you can search on that site |
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| 17:34.00 | Gestahlt | Hi! |
| 17:34.07 | Gestahlt | I need a decsion help |
| 17:34.14 | Zeeflo | ask? |
| 17:34.51 | Gestahlt | ive got 4 servers running debian and i want to configure an HA Cluster. I also have a SAN Storage attached via Fibre Channel. Multipathing and such is configured and works fine so far. The only thing is, i cant decide on a filesystem for the FC attached storage |
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| 17:35.11 | Zeeflo | NFS |
| 17:35.17 | Gestahlt | NFS for FC?? |
| 17:35.20 | kriebz | hahaha |
| 17:35.22 | Zeeflo | ah |
| 17:35.25 | Zeeflo | fiberchannel |
| 17:35.27 | Zeeflo | uhmm |
| 17:35.33 | Zeeflo | i dunno |
| 17:35.40 | Gestahlt | I thought of GlusterFS or OCFS2 |
| 17:35.49 | Gestahlt | but i dont even know if i need its features |
| 17:36.05 | Zeeflo | never actually worked with fiberchannel storage |
| 17:36.07 | Gestahlt | basically there are only qcow2 images or isos on the SAN |
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| 17:36.13 | JohnnyL_ | http://pastie.org/5838455 |
| 17:36.25 | jhutchins | Gestahlt: We just use ext3. |
| 17:36.29 | Gestahlt | And since every node can access the same LUN, im not sure if i even need a clustered FS |
| 17:36.45 | Zeeflo | I dont actually think you need a clustered fs |
| 17:37.03 | kriebz | I've always wanted to try out glusterFS. apparently the weenies using RHEL just check a box during install and it works |
| 17:37.10 | Gestahlt | jhutchins: Yeah, im thinking of this possibility too and i actually favour it. But is it possible to mount an ext3 volume accross multiple nodes? |
| 17:37.26 | kriebz | just do something to make sure you don't write to an FS you're not the master of |
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| 17:38.01 | jhutchins | Gestahlt: Ah, good question. |
| 17:38.08 | themill | JohnnyL_: can you show us the output of "apt-cache policy cups cups-common cups-client hplip dpkg apt perl; apt-cache policy" for us? |
| 17:38.38 | kriebz | also make sure you've run apt-get update recently |
| 17:40.16 | jhutchins | Gestahlt: Are you planning failover or load balancing? |
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| 17:41.26 | Gestahlt | jhutchins: Both if possible. By load balancing i would distribute the VMs along the nodes and in a failover scenario just restart the stored VMs |
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| 17:42.05 | JohnnyL_ | http://pastie.org/5838478 |
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| 17:42.45 | kriebz | I would just share the ISOs and misc data with NFS, and give each VM a LUN; faster and more efficient that a QCOW on a normal file system |
| 17:43.01 | mordocai | We are working on a kiosk-like system and would like to xinit under a specific user on startup. Currently, the system is that the user's shell is set to xinit and then we have a init.d file that just su <user> &. This isn't working well in some cases. |
| 17:43.15 | mordocai | What would you recommend as an alternative? |
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| 17:44.29 | Gestahlt | kriebz: Well, i actually like the feature of qcow only using the space needed and also that you can perform snapshits. I had my past encounters with VMs running on LVMs and its a stupid beast to bend when you try to migrate... or at least it is more annoying than useful in the end |
| 17:44.46 | kriebz | mordocai: have you tried scripting one of the display managers (gdm, lightdm) to "auto login"? |
| 17:44.57 | JohnnyL_ | themill: ^ |
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| 17:46.07 | themill | JohnnyL_: I'd say that aptitude would figure all this out on its own. "aptitude upgrade; aptitude install cups" will probably be enough |
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| 17:46.41 | mordocai | kriebz: We haven't as far as i know. I just got this pushed on me, someone else originally did this and I had no idea what would be the best way to do it :), just that their way seemed ugly and wasn't working right in a couple use cases. Is there a display-manager you'd recommend specifically for this kind of use? |
| 17:47.26 | kriebz | Gestahlt: I would probably take the time to set up glustrefs then. it's complicated, but once you figure it out, you shouldn't need to change anything except to add nodes, which you can do exactly the same way each time after you figure it out |
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| 17:47.34 | ChrisH | JohnnyL_: I assume you did an apt-get update at the very beginning |
| 17:47.39 | kriebz | and the heartbeat server might be useful to hook into other things you're doing |
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| 17:48.28 | JohnnyL_ | update=error |
| 17:48.53 | kriebz | mordocai: I'd probably try lightdm; it's more modern than xdm, but not a big ugly mess like gdm3. and I think the config is just a tiny text file |
| 17:48.57 | themill | JohnnyL_: pastebin... please help us help you by being specific |
| 17:49.10 | ChrisH | JohnnyL_: apt-get update should not result in an erroro |
| 17:49.18 | blubberdiblub | mordocai, "slim" is a nice slim display manager, too |
| 17:49.46 | JohnnyL_ | hold on i'm upgrading |
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| 17:51.57 | Gestahlt | kriebz: I also did a setup with drbd once.. that was pretty painful. |
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| 17:52.27 | kriebz | so I've heard |
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| 17:57.13 | JohnnyL_ | themill: http://pastie.org/5838562 |
| 17:57.25 | kriebz | ok, how do I get proportional window previews in GNOME 3. other distros have them, but the build in Wheezy gives me these unintelligible postage stamps |
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| 17:57.38 | JohnnyL_ | it wants every fucking this else accept the one thing I want installed ...cups. |
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| 17:57.45 | JohnnyL_ | this=thing |
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| 17:58.29 | themill | JohnnyL_: you never completed the upgrade from lenny, by the looks of it. you need to fix your sources.list |
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| 17:58.40 | themill | dpkg: tell JohnnyL_ about make squeeze sources.list |
| 17:58.59 | themill | JohnnyL_: in particular, the entry for "volatile" is wrong. |
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| 18:02.35 | Morgawr | hello.. I have been trying to compile wine (among other things) and it's whining I do not have the proper 32bit X libraries. I've been using (and compiling) wine for years now and some update probably broke (aka uninstalled) some packages related to lib32 (multiarch) OpenGL dev libraries. I'm using nvidia proprietary drivers (latest) and I have installed support for 32bit headers, anyone know what might be the issue? |
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| 18:04.27 | pmo | Morgawr: enable multiarch |
| 18:04.35 | pmo | then upgrade your system |
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| 18:05.31 | JohnnyL_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:05.33 | JohnnyL_ | i will try. |
| 18:05.42 | Morgawr | pmo: I have been compiling wine for years and I have multiarch support on my machine already, or at least I think I do.. I have multiple packages installed with :i386 |
| 18:05.44 | JohnnyL_ | hopefully this won't fuck up my network. |
| 18:05.45 | pmo | Morgawr: dpkg --add-architecture i386 |
| 18:05.50 | Morgawr | been there, done that |
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| 18:05.51 | JohnnyL_ | it's installing -486 kernels now. |
| 18:05.53 | JohnnyL_ | WTF? |
| 18:05.57 | larks | is there a channel for sid? |
| 18:06.03 | pmo | thats the command i did |
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| 18:06.06 | JohnnyL_ | it's a pentium and it's *-486 kernels? |
| 18:06.16 | JohnnyL_ | apt-get -f upgrade |
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| 18:06.31 | pmo | then did an sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 18:06.42 | Morgawr | the problem is that I have disabled nvidia proprietary drivers from the dpkg (because I download them directly from nvidia) and every time some update upgrades some drivers I need to reinstall them.. this time the lib32 for opengl aren't working though |
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| 18:07.14 | pmo | Morgawr: you can enable non-free repo to solve that |
| 18:07.23 | themill | JohnnyL_: If you want people to help you, please put real output in pastebins. (and yes, if you have a pentium, you want a -486 kernel ... but that should be what you're already running) |
| 18:07.45 | pmo | wine and such didnt work for me either before i did that line and updated |
| 18:07.51 | pmo | dpkg --add-architecture i386 |
| 18:07.51 | dpkg | pmo: bugger all, i dunno |
| 18:07.57 | JohnnyL_ | themill: ok |
| 18:07.58 | Morgawr | mm.. looks like I solved the problem by installing libx11-dev:i386 files.. apparently they had been removed |
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| 18:08.02 | pmo | with sudo ofc |
| 18:08.28 | pmo | ah |
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| 18:08.49 | DarkKnightCZ | hi, does anyone have an idea, why is debian throwing packets from/to specific pc in intranet? debian system is on ip 192.168.88.121, another pc is on 192.168.88.126, that pc is pingable from every system except debian one, debian is pingable from every system except that another one |
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| 18:09.59 | JohnnyL_ | http://pastie.org/5838635 |
| 18:10.28 | kriebz | if you have a bastard stable/oldstable machine that you don't ever update, you might need more help than just installing cups |
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| 18:10.57 | Kruemmel_m0nster | Hello guys |
| 18:10.58 | pmo | JohnnyL_: do the command |
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| 18:10.58 | JohnnyL_ | me? |
| 18:10.59 | kriebz | DarkKnightCZ: start with checking arp |
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| 18:11.31 | pmo | sudo apt-get -f install if you want to correct them and have it installed |
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| 18:11.37 | aixenv | what's the current default (out of the box) hash used for Debian Squeeze ? is the secure hash MD5 ? |
| 18:11.49 | Kruemmel_m0nster | How do i recover deleted data (ntfs) issued rm -r in the wrong directory |
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| 18:12.21 | kriebz | Kruemmel_m0nster: with your tape drive |
| 18:12.21 | invariant | I know what is going to be said. |
| 18:12.44 | Kruemmel_m0nster | kriebz: if i had one |
| 18:12.53 | somiaj | Kruemmel_m0nster: first unmount the ntfs partition (make sure you don't have any more writes to it). Then you are going to have to get some tool |
| 18:12.55 | invariant | I also knew that would happen. |
| 18:13.03 | somiaj | Kruemmel_m0nster: and scan though your whole drive and try to recover the files |
| 18:13.11 | invariant | Kruemmel_m0nster, yes, there are tools. |
| 18:13.21 | DarkKnightCZ | kriebz: HWaddress - incomplete |
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| 18:13.41 | invariant | Kruemmel_m0nster, I lost 60% all my file names a long time ago, but most of the data was still there. |
| 18:13.42 | somiaj | Kruemmel_m0nster: the tools are messy and take a lot of work, but you can recover most your data in many cases...just make sure you do not do any more writes to the drive (to make sure the space you freed up doesn't get written to) |
| 18:13.54 | Kruemmel_m0nster | somiaj: already did that its a smb share drive and i issued umount -l directly after rm |
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| 18:14.30 | somiaj | Kruemmel_m0nster: yea you will scan the whole drive bit for bit and the tool looks for reconizable file formats then pulls the data. the data is still there, but there is no easy way to get at it with out a complete scan |
| 18:14.38 | aixenv | in my /etc/login.defs the "ENCRYPT_METHOD" is commented, so im trying to determine what type of encryption is used at all with /etc/shadow by default , anyone know? |
| 18:14.42 | invariant | People always scream 'backups', but Debian doesn't actually ship any good backup solution. |
| 18:14.45 | somiaj | Kruemmel_m0nster: note you will proabaly recover way more data than you want and have to then comb though it to get what you want.. |
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| 18:15.10 | kriebz | invariant: I'm a big fan of rsnapshot |
| 18:15.22 | kriebz | also `dump` and `tar` |
| 18:15.25 | invariant | kriebz, I know the failure modes of that. |
| 18:15.26 | Si1ver | Hello is there any way to install the intel GMA 950 drivers from apt-get ? |
| 18:15.28 | fnmueller | invariant: there is unison and rsync |
| 18:15.39 | invariant | fnmueller, unison is not backup. |
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| 18:15.47 | invariant | fnmueller, and neither is rsync. |
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| 18:15.53 | fnmueller | invariant: both can be |
| 18:16.01 | Kruemmel_m0nster | Yea i already checked it with testdisk and ntfsundelete but there's only garbage inodes with no name etc |
| 18:16.14 | themill | JohnnyL_: does "apt-get update" now complete without error? |
| 18:16.21 | invariant | Kruemmel_m0nster, I think there are Windows tools that work better. |
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| 18:16.38 | kriebz | Si1ver: all you need is probably built into the kernel and the normal x.org distribution |
| 18:16.50 | JohnnyL_ | no |
| 18:16.53 | JohnnyL_ | it doesn't work. |
| 18:17.01 | Kruemmel_m0nster | invariant: wich one i am trying recuva right now |
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| 18:17.11 | invariant | Kruemmel_m0nster, that I don't remember anymore. |
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| 18:17.36 | invariant | I have eliminated allmost all ntfs use in my systems. |
| 18:17.43 | themill | JohnnyL_: please pastebin your /etc/apt/sources.list then |
| 18:17.51 | zinx | invariant: perhaps you should try apt-cache search backup |
| 18:18.00 | Kruemmel_m0nster | invariant: dang it why is it such a pain to remove the delete flag of a file i don't get it |
| 18:18.14 | kriebz | JohnnyL_: and whatever error you get from `apt-get update` |
| 18:18.19 | invariant | zinx, perhaps you should try reading what I said already. |
| 18:18.26 | zinx | Kruemmel_m0nster: it's not a delete flag |
| 18:18.34 | zinx | invariant: that debian has no good backup tools? |
| 18:18.48 | invariant | zinx, more has been said since. |
| 18:18.49 | JohnnyL_ | http://pastie.org/5838666 |
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| 18:19.11 | zinx | invariant: i only saw you say that unison and rsync aren't backup tools. |
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| 18:19.14 | themill | JohnnyL_: that's not the information that has been asked for |
| 18:19.16 | mrdeb | hi |
| 18:19.18 | Kruemmel_m0nster | zinx: really? |
| 18:19.30 | kriebz | oh man, bacula is still packaged |
| 18:19.43 | invariant | kriebz, what do you mean? |
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| 18:20.08 | kriebz | I dunno, I just thought it was really old |
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| 18:20.12 | invariant | I think Bacula is perhaps a good tool, but it doesn't work for all use cases. |
| 18:20.16 | kriebz | also, not really "good" |
| 18:20.32 | zinx | Kruemmel_m0nster: on ext2+, it's a directory entry that's removed. ext3+ also zero stuff. |
| 18:20.34 | invariant | Some people use Bacula with 10,000+ machines. |
| 18:20.41 | kriebz | it's better than most cobbled together tools, because it handles the whole permission squashing problem well |
| 18:20.42 | jelly-home | kriebz: last release was 3 months ago |
| 18:20.43 | zinx | Kruemmel_m0nster: that means you lose all path and filename information, at the very least |
| 18:20.43 | JohnnyL_ | http://pastie.org/5838672 |
| 18:20.50 | JohnnyL_ | wow, this isn't getting tiring. |
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| 18:21.04 | Kruemmel_m0nster | zinx: But i used ntfs |
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| 18:21.17 | zinx | Kruemmel_m0nster: oh, ha. yeah, that might just be a flag. |
| 18:21.28 | themill | JohnnyL_: it's getting tiring because we have to ask the same thing several times.... fixing this should be a 2 minute job at most fyi |
| 18:21.32 | snf1 | I have a problem when I use apt-get update http://pastebin.com/3sN5XyKD how can I solve it? |
| 18:21.38 | themill | JohnnyL_: so what errors do you get from "apt-get update" then? |
| 18:21.40 | fnmueller | invariant: well, linux is like a tool at its best for a usecase, not one tool for all usecases |
| 18:21.57 | Kruemmel_m0nster | zinx: im so screwed right now unbelievable |
| 18:22.03 | zinx | Kruemmel_m0nster: the problem there is ntfs is largely undocumented, so people probably don't want to take the time to make one :X |
| 18:22.13 | invariant | fnmueller, the Linux kernel is fine (from a user, not an academic point of view). |
| 18:22.21 | mrdeb | snf1: just keep trying. it is a server problem |
| 18:22.34 | kriebz | snf1: that's a DNS problem |
| 18:22.36 | mrdeb | invariant: is it tru that microkernels are the future |
| 18:22.42 | themill | points towards #debian-offtopic |
| 18:22.42 | mrdeb | ?? |
| 18:22.43 | zinx | Kruemmel_m0nster: looks like ntfs-3g comes with an undeleter, however |
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| 18:22.51 | invariant | mrdeb, it's true that you are a troll. |
| 18:22.57 | JohnnyL_ | no errors with apt-get update |
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| 18:23.02 | mrdeb | no |
| 18:23.03 | Kruemmel_m0nster | zinx: my biggest problem is that my borderlands savegames are now gone :o screw the family fotos |
| 18:23.08 | zinx | Kruemmel_m0nster: lol |
| 18:23.14 | zinx | Kruemmel_m0nster: try ntfsundelete |
| 18:23.16 | themill | JohnnyL_: good. So what does "aptitude full-upgrade" want to do? |
| 18:23.17 | JohnnyL_ | you know how fucking slow it is to cut and paste with command prompt with a god damned touchpad. |
| 18:23.20 | zinx | Kruemmel_m0nster: from the ntfs-3g package |
| 18:23.32 | snf1 | kriebz: can I fix it by adding dns server on /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 18:23.35 | JohnnyL_ | errors like before with apt-get -f install. |
| 18:23.39 | oolalababy | snf1: DNS problem. |
| 18:23.43 | jelly-home | JohnnyL_: you can try using screen's copy/paste functionality instead |
| 18:23.45 | Kruemmel_m0nster | zinx: already did that only junk is being shown |
| 18:23.46 | zinx | Kruemmel_m0nster: i think it still loses paths, but not entire filenames/sizes |
| 18:23.51 | zinx | Kruemmel_m0nster: yeah, you're screwed |
| 18:23.52 | invariant | JohnnyL_, valid URLs can be found somewhere on debian.org |
| 18:24.03 | zinx | Kruemmel_m0nster: doesn't BL back up on steam? |
| 18:24.11 | zinx | oh wait i'm thinking BL2 |
| 18:24.17 | kriebz | snf1: maybe, just make sure networking in general is working. can you ping something on the internet from that PC? can you run e.g. `host google.com`? |
| 18:24.18 | themill | invariant: ? |
| 18:24.45 | invariant | themill, I think the just wants proper URLs for his apt configuration. |
| 18:25.16 | kriebz | snf1: also, like mrdeb said, it might just be a problem on the other end, so you've done nothing wrong |
| 18:25.16 | zinx | Kruemmel_m0nster: unfortunately, the other options i know of that don't involve writing your own program will probably only recover pictures/documents - scalpel for example. |
| 18:25.17 | JohnnyL_ | I have to full-upgrade to install cups? |
| 18:25.27 | themill | invariant: there's nothing wrong with his apt configuration |
| 18:25.35 | snf1 | kriebz: I can ping google on my laptop, however debian device cannot ping. I have been having this problem since yesterday |
| 18:25.49 | invariant | themill, my bad then. Sorry for the noise. |
| 18:25.51 | themill | JohnnyL_: perhaps -- you have one outstanding in any case |
| 18:26.12 | mrdeb | snf1: i had this problem and to fix it u just wait and apt-get upate later |
| 18:26.16 | JohnnyL_ | wow |
| 18:26.30 | JohnnyL_ | should i buy a new machine too? |
| 18:26.34 | kriebz | sounds like have a more basic networking problem. make sure you're not mixing up DHCP and a static config. if you have a local console, ifdown and ifup the interface |
| 18:26.42 | Kruemmel_m0nster | zinx: nah only bl2 does that and i dont even played that for right now... I have to wait 3 hours and then ill check the recuva thingy |
| 18:26.42 | themill | JohnnyL_: umm... no, you should just maintain the one you have better |
| 18:26.48 | snf1 | mrdeb: ok I will keep trying for a while |
| 18:26.56 | mrdeb | good luck |
| 18:27.02 | snf1 | thank you |
| 18:27.09 | mrdeb | yw |
| 18:27.23 | JohnnyL_ | yeah, i should do bitwise manipulations in the linux source of a volatile linux kernel and add that to my resume. because if this isn't work I don't know what is. |
| 18:27.36 | themill | JohnnyL_: you could also try fixing this yourself if you'd rather... but given you came here with the question. |
| 18:27.56 | JohnnyL_ | it's been an hour or so and it isn't fixed. |
| 18:28.06 | Kruemmel_m0nster | So guys everyday i learn something new! today: why you shouldnt use rm -r on a smb share |
| 18:28.34 | Towzzer | why |
| 18:28.39 | themill | JohnnyL_: most of that time has been us waiting for you to provide output, so I don't think that's a good metric. And this problem only exists because you've not been keeping up with updates. |
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| 18:29.21 | Kruemmel_m0nster | Because i deleted my whole share |
| 18:29.28 | JohnnyL_ | wow i guess I'll go to best buy. buy a new macine and use winows 8 as a cups server! HAHAHAH! |
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| 18:30.12 | themill | JohnnyL_: if you spent more time working on your problem and less time annoying the people trying to help you, we would be done. |
| 18:30.21 | mrdeb | hi |
| 18:30.28 | JohnnyL_ | themill: stop the wining. |
| 18:30.31 | Kruemmel_m0nster | Hey buds |
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| 18:30.35 | mrdeb | what happens if you dd to mounted drive? is this ok |
| 18:30.36 | mrdeb | i forgot to unmount |
| 18:30.45 | themill | JohnnyL_: you clearly have no idea how frustrating you are to help |
| 18:30.49 | kriebz | Kruemmel_m0nster: were you sharing this from windows? |
| 18:31.06 | Kruemmel_m0nster | kriebz: does it matter? :o |
| 18:31.07 | kriebz | mrdeb: nothing, if you were planning on not having the old data anyway |
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| 18:31.10 | Gestahlt | Ah fuck |
| 18:31.15 | JohnnyL_ | themill: your repsonse is, upgrade the entire machine for a print server? |
| 18:31.16 | mrdeb | ok kriebz |
| 18:31.17 | Gestahlt | Reading just makes me more confused |
| 18:31.30 | JohnnyL_ | wtf kind of package install is that? |
| 18:31.34 | themill | JohnnyL_: umm... if you have more than one or two packages outstanding in that upgrade, then you've really done thigns wrong |
| 18:31.36 | Gestahlt | ClusterFS or not... |
| 18:31.45 | Gestahlt | DAMNTI |
| 18:31.52 | mrdeb | JohnnyL_: please be chill and we will resolve it |
| 18:32.05 | kriebz | Kruemmel_m0nster: it matters where the drive is hosted, but it sounds like you're already using block level tools to recover (good luck) |
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| 18:32.25 | themill | JohnnyL_: it sounds like you're running some half-broken combination of lenny and squeeze at the moment. There is no way that library dependencies are going to let that continue forever and yes, you need to upgrade it to be able to install new packages |
| 18:32.34 | kriebz | Gestahlt: try this on two test machines! we don't want you in here with a story like Kruemmel_m0nster |
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| 18:33.31 | JohnnyL_ | ok, here goes another day. i'll be editing non-compliant text files in an hour or so trying to reconnect to the internet because of a non compatibility. bets, anyone? |
| 18:33.42 | kriebz | JohnnyL_: "upgrading the entire machine" is a pretty benign thing; keeping up with your release is kinda SOP for Debian |
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| 18:33.46 | lrussell | says: I have a low end computer, 300mhz arm processor, 128mb ram. I want to be able to use YouTube on it. It's too slow for flash. Is there a program out there that can utilize the mobile version of YouTube to play videos? |
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| 18:33.52 | Kruemmel_m0nster | kriebz: why does it matter im hosting it on a debian with samba and nfs |
| 18:33.53 | themill | JohnnyL_: how about you go and fix your problem and stop whining |
| 18:34.08 | Kruemmel_m0nster | Youtube-dl |
| 18:34.18 | themill | JohnnyL_: you've been told what you need to do to fix it -- finish your upgrade to squeeze properly and then aptitude install cups. |
| 18:34.23 | zinx | lrussell: it may not have enough memory bandwidth to play video decently without HW acceleration |
| 18:34.28 | kriebz | Kruemmel_m0nster: I'm just wondering why you'd bother with NTFS since Samba can serve from any *nix FS just fine |
| 18:34.39 | kriebz | SMB != NTFS |
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| 18:34.48 | lrussell | I don't want to download the videos. Can't I play the low quailty versions of the video made for cell phones? |
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| 18:35.05 | zinx | lrussell: idk, cell phones have acceleration for that though |
| 18:35.10 | Kruemmel_m0nster | kriebz: because i switched from iscsi to smb and used the iscsi on windows |
| 18:35.15 | lrussell | The computer came with windows ce and a youtube app, it's a little cheap netbook |
| 18:35.21 | lrussell | It's running debian off an sd card |
| 18:35.25 | zinx | lrussell: ah |
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| 18:35.34 | lrussell | it played the videos fine in windows ce |
| 18:35.40 | kriebz | Kruemmel_m0nster: ah |
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| 18:35.45 | Kruemmel_m0nster | lrussell: use youtube-dl and then play it via vlc etc |
| 18:35.47 | quechec | why doesn't zathura have an icon by default? (for taskbar, alt-tab, etc.) |
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| 18:36.13 | Kruemmel_m0nster | Its kind of a workaround but hey it works :D |
| 18:36.33 | lrussell | I know I could use Youtube-DL but it stutters with any high quality video. |
| 18:36.37 | lrussell | I'm pushing it with xfce. |
| 18:36.49 | lrussell | IceWeasel barely works, lol. |
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| 18:37.05 | Kruemmel_m0nster | lrussell: No you have to tell it to him wich files to load |
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| 18:37.26 | kriebz | lrussell: you're sorta in that place where Linux actually sucks to use, sadly. maybe you can dual-boot the thing between Debian and the regular OS |
| 18:37.31 | Alam_Squeeze | which youtube format? |
| 18:38.04 | lrussell | http://i3.ytimg.com/vi/nCHHAFyp9I0/mqdefault.jpg That's a pic of the YouTube app that it came with. Just a bare interface that had search and let you watch the videos |
| 18:38.05 | Kruemmel_m0nster | lrussell: i already used it as a download server via php that emailed it to my iphone in the right format without encoding |
| 18:38.12 | lrussell | but I hate windows ce. |
| 18:38.43 | Alam_Squeeze | HAHA |
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| 18:39.33 | lrussell | I don't want to download it at all, the system is too limited on space. |
| 18:39.44 | lrussell | all I got is an 8gb SD card |
| 18:39.59 | lrussell | besides, that complicates things. How do I search for videos other than going to the site? |
| 18:40.19 | Gestahlt | kribz: what did Kruemmel do? |
| 18:40.33 | kriebz | deleted a bunch of his files |
| 18:40.36 | Kruemmel_m0nster | lrussell: make it download to a tmp and clean it afterwards or even better route the Output to a player |
| 18:40.52 | kriebz | lrussell: pass the hat to buy a better laptop |
| 18:41.01 | Kruemmel_m0nster | Gestahlt: hab mein komplettes smb share gelöscht |
| 18:41.13 | Gestahlt | Kruemmel_m0nster: Warum?? |
| 18:41.17 | lrussell | I got the thing for $38, it's more of a tinker toy. |
| 18:41.23 | Gestahlt | Kruemmel_m0nster: Kein platz mehr auf platte? |
| 18:41.30 | lrussell | It's a Sylvania Netbook. |
| 18:41.36 | Kruemmel_m0nster | Gestahlt: war im falschen verzeichnis und hab rm -r eingegeben |
| 18:41.48 | Gestahlt | Kruemmel_m0nster: Frägt der nicht vorher? |
| 18:42.02 | Gestahlt | Kruemmel_m0nster: Warte ich probiers mal |
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| 18:42.19 | nullby7e | when should release wheezy |
| 18:42.24 | Kruemmel_m0nster | Gestahlt: war als root unterwegs... |
| 18:42.25 | Gestahlt | Kruemmel_m0nster: ne |
| 18:42.25 | abrotman | Gestahlt: english here |
| 18:42.42 | abrotman | nullby7e: there is no date, when RC bugs reach 0 |
| 18:42.45 | Gestahlt | Kruemmel_m0nster: With power comes responsibility... wahaha |
| 18:43.01 | Kruemmel_m0nster | Gestahlt: |
| 18:43.07 | Gestahlt | Kruemmel_m0nster: yeah that sucks, i had similar experiences in the past. Well good luck with recovery... |
| 18:43.18 | nullby7e | abrotman: where can i see that |
| 18:43.28 | Gestahlt | Kruemmel_m0nster: You might want to try testdisk |
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| 18:43.31 | abrotman | nullby7e: bugs.debian.org/release-critical/ is one place |
| 18:43.34 | Kruemmel_m0nster | Gestahlt: my last hope is recuva under winslow x7 |
| 18:43.41 | nullby7e | thanks |
| 18:43.47 | Gestahlt | Kruemmel_m0nster: No, screw any windows based solution. Use testdisk |
| 18:43.57 | abrotman | nullby7e: that's not the most accurate place .. but it'll give you a rough idea |
| 18:43.57 | Kruemmel_m0nster | Gestahlt: already did that only junk is showing up |
| 18:44.21 | nullby7e | yea |
| 18:44.41 | Kruemmel_m0nster | Gestahlt: do you have teamviewer? |
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| 18:45.13 | Kruemmel_m0nster | Gestahlt: then i could show you what i mean with junk |
| 18:45.56 | Gestahlt | Kruemmel_m0nster: Currently i dont have it and im a bit busy with my own problems. But maybe i can help you with a few ideas. What partition was the data on? |
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| 18:46.42 | Kruemmel_m0nster | It was on a western digital 2tb green with only 1 ntfs partition mbr |
| 18:46.44 | blubberdiblub | Gestahlt, if i understood it correctly, he did recover files with testdisk, he just doesn't like the random names it has given to them ;) |
| 18:46.49 | Morgawr | is there a sensible way to install some 32bit dev libraries in a 64bit system without having to uninstall the 64bit libraries? I need libssl-dev:i386 but my system is asking me to remove libssl-dev (and a huge amount of dependencies) |
| 18:47.16 | Morgawr | (running wheezy) |
| 18:47.23 | Kruemmel_m0nster | blubberdiblub: no testdisk only showed the bytes but no names at all |
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| 18:48.15 | abrotman | Morgawr: the -dev libraries should be the same on both sides |
| 18:48.21 | Gestahlt | Kruemmel_m0nster: so you did delete on a NTFS Partition? |
| 18:48.32 | Kruemmel_m0nster | Gestahlt: yup |
| 18:48.56 | Gestahlt | Kruemmel_m0nster: you had a ntfs partition mounted and your home folders on it? Means your linux was running regulary and had your home on NTFs? |
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| 18:49.10 | Morgawr | abrotman: weird, I'm trying to compile some software that requires ssl 32bit and I have libssl-dev installed and it's not working |
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| 18:49.30 | Kruemmel_m0nster | No i only mounted the ntfs as a folder in my home directory |
| 18:49.33 | abrotman | Morgawr: the cheating route would be a chroot |
| 18:49.48 | Morgawr | I'd love to solve this problem, I don't really want to chroot |
| 18:49.50 | abrotman | Morgawr: your software that you're compiling may also not know where to look ? |
| 18:49.54 | Alam_Squeeze | Morgawr: I have an insane way to install -dev:i386 packages, I install the i386 packages that I can with apt, then extract the -dev:386 into /usr/local/stow/FOOBAR and fix up the pkgconfig file |
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| 18:50.07 | Gestahlt | Kruemmel_m0nster: Ah, and you killed the ntfs partitions content |
| 18:50.11 | abrotman | Alam_Squeeze: you're a dirty old man :) |
| 18:50.20 | redcheckers | is about to install debian, but has only one our of internet left. |
| 18:50.26 | Kruemmel_m0nster | Gestahlt: yes thats correct |
| 18:50.45 | Morgawr | abrotman: the software is wine, I don't know where should I be looking for dev files? |
| 18:50.56 | Gestahlt | Kruemmel_m0nster: omg... |
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| 18:51.09 | abrotman | Morgawr: wine has packages for Debian |
| 18:51.16 | Gestahlt | Kruemmel_m0nster: This is sad and funny the same time |
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| 18:51.26 | Morgawr | I'm obviously trying to install the latest version (compile it) and it's not the first time I've done so so that's not an issue |
| 18:51.28 | Alam_Squeeze | Morgawr: oh, I did the stow way so I can compile wine 32-bit build on my amd64 system |
| 18:51.35 | Morgawr | it's just that it suddently stopped seeing some 32bit libs |
| 18:51.43 | Morgawr | it can't find libssl |
| 18:51.45 | Kruemmel_m0nster | Gestahlt: but the good thing is no 10 secs later i issued unmount |
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| 18:52.00 | Morgawr | (it always compiled fine with multiarch before but some update in debian uninstalled/broke (??) some libraries) |
| 18:52.30 | kriebz | one hour of Internet? |
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| 18:52.55 | Alam_Squeeze | Morgawr: yea, I have /usr/local/stow/libssl-dev_1.0.1c-4_i386.deb/ (libssl-dev:i386) for Wine to find |
| 18:53.08 | Gestahlt | Kruemmel_m0nster: I never had this case. Okay, then you might have luck with windows tools or with several data rescue tools on UBCD. I have no idea how rm is exactly deleting files. With NTFS.. usually only the entry in the FAT gets killed |
| 18:53.25 | abrotman | Morgawr: but ISTR, they have the wine-unstable repos for using with wheezy/sid ? |
| 18:53.30 | darsie | How do I format a USB drive so a Mac can use it? mkfs.vfat /dev/sdb1 didn't work. |
| 18:53.41 | darsie | mkfs.msdos? |
| 18:53.46 | Alam_Squeeze | Morgawr: it may be alot easier to setup an i386 chroot to build wine |
| 18:53.58 | Morgawr | abrotman: really? how does it work? I've always compiled wine by myself so I don't really know |
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| 18:55.34 | darsie | mkfs.msdos doesn't work either on a Mac. |
| 18:55.50 | Gestahlt | Kruemmel_m0nster: This is something that is quite a difference in windows and linux.. with windows you fuck up and delete something by accident. Because of the lazy way fat/ntfs handles this, you might have a chance to rescue stuff.. with linux, if you fuck up, you have to pay dearly for it |
| 18:55.57 | Kruemmel_m0nster | Gestahlt: i might give it to a Professional its kinda strange it feels like wd is encrypting theyre drives in a really weird way |
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| 18:56.33 | redcheckers | bah. |
| 18:56.57 | redcheckers | the image i downloaded to boot in qemu wont boot in qemu... is there a guide for installing debian from a running os, like an ubuntu(cry) based livecd? |
| 18:57.09 | Kruemmel_m0nster | Gestahlt: i know i know i had a 2nd drive raid 1 but it broke last week |
| 18:57.13 | Gestahlt | Kruemmel_m0nster: Well, this has nothing to do with encryption. File deletion is handled different accross OSses and Filesystems. NTFS / FAT is rather lazy about it and thats the reason why you need 3rd party tools for secure data deletion |
| 18:57.48 | Gestahlt | Kruemmel_m0nster: Wait.. you mounted a ex-Raid drive as NTFS partitioned? |
| 18:57.59 | Gestahlt | Kruemmel_m0nster: Deleted stuff |
| 18:58.18 | Kruemmel_m0nster | Yes... |
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| 18:58.50 | Gestahlt | Kruemmel_m0nster: Was it your data? |
| 18:59.22 | Kruemmel_m0nster | Gestahlt: i know that im stupid and yes its on my 1 of my homeserver |
| 18:59.23 | kriebz | redcheckers: you can do that with debootstrap, but you might need more than one hour online to install everything |
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| 18:59.42 | Morgawr | abrotman: I can't really find any wine repository for debian past 1.4.1 version... |
| 18:59.48 | Gestahlt | Kruemmel_m0nster: No, im not telling you you are stupid. Im just trying to evaluate the size of the GAU |
| 18:59.54 | abrotman | Morgawr: it's on hte winehq.org site |
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| 19:00.27 | abrotman | judd: versions libwine |
| 19:00.28 | judd | Package: libwine on i386 -- lenny: 1.0.1-1; squeeze: 1.0.1-3.1; sid: 1.4.1-4; wheezy: 1.4.1-4 |
| 19:00.55 | Gestahlt | Kruemmel_m0nster: But as long its your own data, it wont cost you that much. I hope the stuff is more of personal value than of.. business value |
| 19:01.14 | Kruemmel_m0nster | On the commercial servers i don't let a drive fail and remount it as a ntfs ;) |
| 19:01.28 | Gestahlt | :) |
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| 19:01.50 | redcheckers | kriebz: ok, i've downloaded debootstrap, but it's complaining about /usr/share/debootstrap/functions: No such file or directory |
| 19:01.56 | Morgawr | abrotman: the last update from http://dev.carbon-project.org/debian/wine-unstable/ is an unofficial package very outdated (1.5.5, wine is at 1.5.22) and doesn't even come in a repository so I have to manually install and solve dependencies |
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| 19:02.05 | abrotman | ah okay |
| 19:02.05 | Morgawr | I've been compiling it since forever so I might as well go on like that |
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| 19:02.26 | Morgawr | the problem is that wine doesn't seem to find libssl-dev headers (Which are clearly installed) and that confuses me |
| 19:02.40 | abrotman | Morgawr: i believe somiaj has done this before, but haven't seen him today |
| 19:02.44 | kriebz | redcheckers: I have no idea what would cause that. debootstrap is just a tool; you need to do a lot of prep work to use it |
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| 19:02.54 | Kruemmel_m0nster | Gestahlt: im feeling so stupid right now its unbelievable ( and btw i own a lpic-1 and lpic-2 is on the way) |
| 19:02.56 | abrotman | Morgawr: have you checked the Debian wiki to see if they've done it ? |
| 19:03.01 | redcheckers | meh. |
| 19:03.09 | redcheckers | maybe i can try unetbootin'ing the iso instead of qemu |
| 19:03.10 | kriebz | darsie: I just used mkfs.vfat and it worked fine |
| 19:03.14 | Morgawr | I've checked on google and around the web but couldn't find much |
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| 19:03.39 | darsie | kriebz: did you try on a mac? |
| 19:03.47 | kriebz | make sure you have a valid MS-DOS partition map on the stick. or format it using Disk Utility on the Mac |
| 19:03.53 | darsie | vfat worked fine on Linux here, too. |
| 19:04.03 | Gestahlt | Kruemmel_m0nster: I dont give a rats ass over certificates. I know enough ppl with stuff on paper but none on the brain. |
| 19:04.13 | kriebz | yes. 10.7. works totally fine. that's how most sticks ship |
| 19:04.22 | Morgawr | is there a way in dpkg/apt-get to force re-install of some packages? |
| 19:04.27 | Morgawr | without having to manually remove/reinstall? |
| 19:04.28 | kriebz | run disk utility on the mac and see what it thinks is there |
| 19:04.44 | Kruemmel_m0nster | Gestahlt: yeah thats sad but true |
| 19:04.45 | Gestahlt | Kruemmel_m0nster: Stuff like that happens. Dont worry. This lesson will root deeply in you and you will be more cautionious in the future. Way more worth than your LPIC |
| 19:04.52 | kriebz | Morgawr: dpkg-reconfigure or apt-get install --reinstall (iirc) |
| 19:04.53 | darsie | kriebz: You think it'll report anything after saying it can't read it or so? |
| 19:05.25 | kriebz | if it says it can't read it, then it has no idea what FS is on it. either the stick is bad, or you don't actually have the FS you think you have |
| 19:05.26 | Morgawr | kriebz: thanks |
| 19:05.33 | Kruemmel_m0nster | Gestahlt: will "root" if you know what i mean |
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| 19:05.56 | darsie | Anyway, I want to be able to format it on Linux, as I might not have a mac around when I format the drive. |
| 19:06.26 | Gestahlt | Kruemmel_m0nster: But not on the desktop. Always sudo! |
| 19:06.44 | Morgawr | too bad after reinstalling libssl-dev it still says it can't find OpenSSL 32bit libraries |
| 19:07.17 | kriebz | darsie: I used dd to blank the partition table of my stick (I had one of those crazy hybrid ISOs on it) and used fdisk to make a new MS-DOS partition table, and a new partition. then I had to eject and re-insert the disk before using mkfs. but after all that, it worked fine |
| 19:07.39 | Gestahlt | Kruemmel_m0nster: I started very late with linx (Suse 5) and i also went think "Windows" in the first and was always root in the desktop. So i had my fuckups there too |
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| 19:09.55 | Kruemmel_m0nster | Gestahlt: my client just crashed... Stupid iphone i startet with linux with ubuntu 6.04 and then switched to arch |
| 19:10.04 | Morgawr | okay so the problem is that it can't find -lssl for 32bit, it's not the headers... it's the 32bit libraries which aren't working properly with multiarch |
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| 19:11.30 | Gestahlt | Kruemmel_m0nster: Well.. i switched back to windows often in-between. I got full time linux with ubuntu 8.04. I also like Windows (except for 8, Vista, ME) and i dont care anymore what OS i use |
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| 19:13.14 | Kruemmel_m0nster | Gestahlt: i use windows only in a xen env. With Pci paththrough to play some games |
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| 19:15.13 | Gestahlt | Kruemmel_m0nster: Does it work good with xen? I managed to get it running on KVM but i have to restart the system when i leave the VM |
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| 19:15.36 | darsie | kriebz: I think I found the problem. The partition type is 83/Linux. |
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| 19:16.12 | Gestahlt | Kruemmel_m0nster: Where are you from? |
| 19:16.45 | Kruemmel_m0nster | It works sooo good its unbelievable i used a arch as base and now i can run 2 vm's both running borderlands with multiple monitors with no lag etc |
| 19:17.12 | Kruemmel_m0nster | Gestahlt: duisburg nrw an you? |
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| 19:17.58 | kriebz | darsie: hmmm... I think i changed mine to 'b', but I didn't think it mattered these days |
| 19:18.10 | kriebz | kernels shold decide FS types by magic number |
| 19:18.15 | Gestahlt | Kruemmel_m0nster: Stuttgart |
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| 19:19.42 | kriebz | I wonder if I can get another of these cheap-as-dirt AMD APU systems, put an nVidia card in it, and PCI-pass-through the nVidia card but have a console on the built-in |
| 19:19.51 | Morgawr | at last! I fixed the libssl problem.. I manually downloaded .deb packages for libssl i386 and extracted them in /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu and then set up the proper symlinks and now wine seems to be working |
| 19:19.53 | Kruemmel_m0nster | Gestahlt: ah never was there |
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| 19:20.12 | Kruemmel_m0nster | kriebz: thats what i did |
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| 19:21.27 | Kruemmel_m0nster | kriebz: only i used 2 ati cards |
| 19:22.12 | kriebz | how are ATI cards in Linux these days? I'm still spooked |
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| 19:22.36 | echo083 | what is the command to reconfigure the sound on debian squeeze ? |
| 19:23.16 | zmode | kriebz: i only need 2D acceleration and everything works fine |
| 19:23.51 | Gemclip | I am new to linux. I am trying to decide which way is better for a duel boot. To use Debian or Ubuntu with Windows 7. Thoughts? |
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| 19:24.38 | kriebz | well, that's good, but I really want decent 3D. got Steam working; not going to backslide |
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| 19:25.14 | kriebz | Gemclip: "dual" boot. If you are new, Ubuntu might be a touch easier for you, but people get jammed up with Ubuntu just as much as Debian, it seems |
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| 19:26.05 | zmode | Gemclip: do you feel like reading any documentation or guides? |
| 19:26.26 | Gemclip | always reading lol. Yep I like reading |
| 19:26.26 | kriebz | does anyone know if DI will resize an NTFS partition for you during the install? I never use the normal people one any more |
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| 19:26.31 | abrotman | Gemclip: your'e in #debian .. perhaps you'd do better to ask ##linux |
| 19:26.38 | Kruemmel_m0nster | kriebz: they don't have to be supported you path through them to windows... |
| 19:26.50 | abrotman | Gemclip: i'll always answer Debian until you prove yourself unable to to use it :) |
| 19:26.51 | darsie | kriebz: Works with b and mkdosfs /dev/sdb1. Thx.p |
| 19:26.55 | darsie | -p |
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| 19:27.45 | kriebz | cool |
| 19:27.54 | Gemclip | isnt Ubuntu a variant of debian? Is there that much diffrence? |
| 19:28.07 | darsie | Ubuntu is based on debian |
| 19:28.15 | Gemclip | Like I said Im new please bear with me |
| 19:28.27 | kriebz | Kruemmel_m0nster: yeah, but I want acceleration in Linux, too. not sure if the APU ones are supported well yet |
| 19:28.31 | abrotman | Gemclip: they are different distributions .. |
| 19:28.42 | abrotman | Gemclip: they just use the same packaging format |
| 19:28.52 | darsie | Gemclip: The Ubuntu people probably know better how they changed it from debian. try #ubuntu. |
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| 19:29.20 | Kruemmel_m0nster | kriebz: they are supported via prop. Drivers |
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| 19:29.45 | soneri | HELLO |
| 19:29.50 | soneri | !list |
| 19:29.50 | dpkg | soneri: Debian è un sistema operativo composto di software libero non quella gratis. Vedi http://www.debian.org/intro/free.it.html per sapere di più. |
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| 19:30.11 | kriebz | Gemclip: Debian is a very big project; Ubuntu and several other distributions take some of the work of the Debian project, do some of their own work, and release a synthesis of the two |
| 19:30.26 | kriebz | the result is no longer "Debian", but there are a lot of similarities |
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| 19:30.52 | abrotman | now, please try to get back to Debian :) |
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| 19:31.39 | kriebz | I think explaining the nature of the Debian project is good thing to be doing in here. is there an FAQ for it? |
| 19:32.20 | abrotman | it's not really .. it goes on and on .. you can use #debian-offtopic or ##linux for that |
| 19:32.28 | Kruemmel_m0nster | kriebz: have to read into it a little im not on the newest stand |
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| 19:35.08 | LordDeath | a minimal debian vm with lxde as desktop: how space space would this need on my HDD? |
| 19:35.23 | abrotman | how much of Xorg or other apps? |
| 19:35.54 | jelly-home | LordDeath: 5GB space space for a start |
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| 19:36.05 | jelly-home | just so you're able to actually use it |
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| 19:36.50 | Guest72192 | why would you need any unused local storage? |
| 19:37.08 | abrotman | so you can use the system? |
| 19:37.15 | kriebz | why would you need ceilings in your house taller than you are? |
| 19:37.28 | Guest72192 | why would you need to store things locally? |
| 19:38.25 | jelly-home | Guest72192: what else do you have in mind that works as well for daily usage, be it online or offline? |
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| 19:38.45 | joannn | hi |
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| 19:39.06 | kriebz | that reminds me of my forrays into embedded linux |
| 19:39.07 | joannn | is there a way to make the MDR point to a different partition on boot ? |
| 19:39.16 | joannn | *MBR |
| 19:39.33 | Guest72192 | jelly-home for daily usage one wouldn't be experiencing such limits |
| 19:39.49 | abrotman | jelly-home: YHBT |
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| 19:40.44 | kriebz | joannn: if your disk has a DOS-style partition table, you can try the "bootable" flag. I think that has some limitations though. you might want to try chain-loading with GRUB |
| 19:41.05 | streuner_ | joannn: Buona sera, whats is the question actually here? nowadays its all a grub question.... |
| 19:41.16 | nmschulte | Has anyone tried installing/building the proprietary 13.1 fglrx driver? |
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| 19:41.48 | Somelauw | Is there a package for node.js in debian since it seems pretty common software? |
| 19:41.55 | blubberdiblub | the bootable flag doesn't do anything for grub or linux. there just needs to be at least one on the drive so the BIOS will use the disk for booting at all |
| 19:42.21 | jelly-home | judd: versions nodejs |
| 19:42.22 | judd | Package: nodejs on i386 -- sid: 0.6.19~dfsg1-6 |
| 19:42.48 | Somelauw | Backport for testing? |
| 19:43.30 | joannn | kriebz: streuner_: i use grub but the problem is not about grub. i have debian / partition on sda1 and fedora *boot* partition on sda2 . Since grub doesnt detect fedora partition and now i need to boot fedora i wonder if there's a way (a tool) to make MBR boot point to sda2 instead of sda1 |
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| 19:44.06 | blubberdiblub | joannn, install os-prober package und run "update-grub" |
| 19:44.11 | mtn | joannn: that is certainly a grub problem |
| 19:44.12 | kriebz | I have no idea how to deal with two distros on the same PC. it's miserable, and GRUB sucks at it |
| 19:44.25 | mtn | kriebz: very easy and has been for years |
| 19:44.42 | kriebz | blubberdiblub: that works fine until Fedora overwrite the MBR with its GRUB |
| 19:45.29 | blubberdiblub | kriebz, well, i guess there is a way to configure fedora not to do that |
| 19:45.36 | joannn | blubberdiblub: os-prober is already installed and it cant detect the other partition (already tried) |
| 19:46.11 | streuner_ | why using two different Linux OS's, it doesnt make any sense to me... |
| 19:46.22 | kriebz | joannn: you could try copying some grub menu stanzas from Fedora over to debian, and just have Debian's grub boot fedora directly |
| 19:46.41 | kriebz | maybe joannn is a software support person. it happens |
| 19:46.53 | joannn | mtn: i had this problem also on another pc: grub detected other debian,slackware,ubuntu partition _but_ not the one of fedora |
| 19:47.07 | blubberdiblub | or install fedora's boot loader into the partition's boot record and chainload that |
| 19:47.24 | mtn | joannn: in that case you can set it manually |
| 19:47.26 | blubberdiblub | if the used filesystem allows that |
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| 19:47.56 | joannn | streuner_: why not? |
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| 19:48.36 | streuner_ | joannn: well, its makes no sense to me |
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| 19:48.46 | joannn | blubberdiblub: mtn: how? |
| 19:48.57 | joannn | streuner_: good for u :) |
| 19:48.59 | streuner_ | joannn: usually most Linux OS's are usually not very different much |
| 19:49.06 | mtn | joannn: lots of howtos out there, I would imagine |
| 19:49.24 | streuner_ | joannn: only the policy, and that what counts for me... |
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| 19:49.44 | kriebz | joannn: can you boot Fedora by hand from the grub prompt? |
| 19:49.46 | joannn | mtn: ok, but what's the name of the program, so that i can find its manual/tutorial ? |
| 19:50.10 | mtn | joannn: try this one: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Grub#Dual-booting |
| 19:50.22 | kriebz | you just need $EDITOR and grub-install (or install-grub, whatever it is this week) |
| 19:50.31 | joannn | kriebz: not possible. it's an encripted partition, that's why it has a boot partition. |
| 19:51.28 | kriebz | then how does it boot? I mean... you can clearly get as far as firing up the kernel that lives in that /boot |
| 19:51.41 | joannn | kriebz: cant i use grub-install using the grub config of the boot partition of fedora? |
| 19:52.00 | kriebz | don't you just get a key prompt before it tries to mount / ? |
| 19:52.30 | kriebz | joannn: yes, but install Fedora's grub to the boot block of that partition, not the MBR. |
| 19:52.33 | joannn | kriebz: for example by mounting it on a directory and then calling "grub-install -some-param /thedirectory_of_boot" ? |
| 19:52.38 | kriebz | e.g. /dev/sda2 not /dev/sda |
| 19:53.24 | kriebz | boot fedora, use it to install its grub to the partition boot block, then go back to Debian and set the grub that lives in the MBR to chain-load that partition |
| 19:53.30 | confusid | There is a torrenting program that has a blue drop of water. Any idea what the name is? |
| 19:53.31 | kriebz | you'll get two grub menus, one after the other |
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| 19:54.08 | abrotman | confusid: has a what? |
| 19:54.08 | kriebz | also, consider using Virtualbox or something. you might then be able to run two distros at the same time |
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| 19:54.47 | Gemclip | confusid: Deluge |
| 19:54.57 | confusid | abrotman: found it :) Took me 20 minutes googling :) Deluge |
| 19:55.03 | confusid | :) |
| 19:55.15 | confusid | it has been the most stable for me. |
| 19:55.17 | joannn | kingsley: " < kriebz> then how does it boot? " it doesnt. I installed debian, then i installed fedora and the fedora grub detected debian and inserted it in the menu. Now, after months and many "apt-get update && apt-get upgrade" i have the _debian_ grub menu and so i cant boot fedora |
| 19:55.57 | kriebz | ah |
| 19:55.58 | streuner_ | joannn: again, there is no need to use different Linux OS's, IMO |
| 19:56.09 | kriebz | streuner_: true, but not helpful |
| 19:56.29 | mtn | streuner_: I don't see how that will solve his problem. my arm hurts doc, well cut it off! |
| 19:56.37 | streuner_ | kriebz: its the important question you gonna have to ask yourself... |
| 19:56.50 | streuner_ | mtn: ^^^ |
| 19:57.01 | kriebz | joannn: is the grub config in the partition fedora uses for /boot? you can peek at it by mouting that partition, and for starters, add the menu stanzas from Fedora to the grub config for Debian |
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| 19:57.33 | mtn | streuner_: of course trying to figure out what you want to run, might require actually installing more than one. |
| 19:58.14 | joannn | kriebz: "< kriebz> boot fedora, use it to install its grub to the partition boot block," fedora boot partition _already_ contains all it needs. problem is that i cant boot it. (sorry if i'm late, i'm still reading old lines) |
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| 19:58.30 | streuner_ | mtn: no, do you think java or flash running more better in Debian or Fedora? no! |
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| 19:58.36 | kriebz | joannn: right, the last thing I said was an alternative plan |
| 19:58.54 | streuner_ | mtn: you should ask yourself,what kind of policy you prefer... |
| 19:58.55 | nkuttler | joannn: no need to repeat that. what's your question anyway |
| 19:58.55 | mtn | streuner_: pretty stupid argument, me thinks |
| 19:59.17 | Gemclip | chain booting debian and fedorahttp://lists.debian.org/debian-boot/2011/06/msg00103.html |
| 19:59.23 | Gemclip | chain booting debian and fedora http://lists.debian.org/debian-boot/2011/06/msg00103.html |
| 19:59.45 | joannn | streuner_: ok, it's a matter of taste. |
| 19:59.46 | kriebz | those might be very out of date with the changes in GRUB 2 |
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| 20:00.27 | confusid | if I have in /usr/bin 2 items deluge and deluge-gtk What is the difference if they both run? |
| 20:00.43 | SerajewelKS | hmm, i'm trying to upgrade to the latest icedove in squeeze-backports and it looks like it wants to upgrade libcairo2 to the bpo version, which in turn will cause pretty much all of gnome to be uninstalled |
| 20:00.46 | jhutchins | joannn: update-grub should detect other operating systems. |
| 20:01.06 | SerajewelKS | don't think i'm the first person to notice this, but google isn't being that helpful. can someone point me in the right direction? |
| 20:01.20 | jhutchins | joannn: The os-prober module should be installed by default on Debian, not sure about Fedora. Might require manual install. |
| 20:01.31 | jhutchins | joannn: I'm pretty sure there's a #fedora channel. |
| 20:01.56 | kriebz | SerajewelKS: sounds like there might be a dependency problem with the package. you can try waiting to see if someone updates it to fix it |
| 20:02.37 | SerajewelKS | kriebz: yeah, that's my current plan of action, but i'm anxious to get iceowl-extension working. blog posts suggest that other people have it working, on amd64 too (which is my arch). |
| 20:02.52 | SerajewelKS | which makes me think it's something weird regarding my packages |
| 20:03.09 | kriebz | well, props for using iceweasel and iceowl. I'd suspect the real "weird" is everything gnome3 |
| 20:03.10 | SerajewelKS | i don't have any packages held |
| 20:03.24 | SerajewelKS | gnome3? this is squeeze ;) |
| 20:03.33 | SerajewelKS | or do you mean that upstream icedove/thunderbird depends on gnome3? |
| 20:03.35 | jhutchins | SerajewelKS: Try http://mozilla.debian.net/ |
| 20:03.42 | SerajewelKS | jhutchins: that's exactly what i'm using |
| 20:03.53 | jhutchins | SerajewelKS: Not the same as backports. |
| 20:03.58 | kriebz | oh, I keep forgetting; I upgraded all my desktops to wheezy |
| 20:04.00 | jhutchins | ,versions icedove |
| 20:04.00 | judd | Package: icedove on i386 -- lenny: 2.0.0.24-0lenny1; lenny-security: 2.0.0.24-0lenny1; squeeze-proposed-updates: 3.0.11-1+squeeze11; squeeze-security: 3.0.11-1+squeeze11; squeeze: 3.0.11-1+squeeze12; squeeze-proposed-updates: 3.0.11-1+squeeze15; squeeze-security: 3.0.11-1+squeeze15; squeeze-backports: 3.1.16-1~bpo60+1; wheezy: 10.0.11-1; squeeze-backports: 10.0.12-1~bpo60+1; sid: 10.0.12-1; |
| 20:04.00 | joannn | kriebz: "add the menu stanzas from Fedora to the grub config for Debian" what do you mean? copying the data from the boot partition to the /boot directory of debian? hmm it could work.. |
| 20:04.01 | judd | experimental: 17.0.2-1 |
| 20:04.27 | SerajewelKS | jhutchins: mozilla.debian.net doesn't actually provide icedove AFAICT |
| 20:04.37 | SerajewelKS | jhutchins: the extensions in that repo depend on icedove from bpo |
| 20:04.40 | davidos | hello i have problem with install on debian eggdrop: |
| 20:04.41 | davidos | Eggdrop requires Tcl to compile. If you already have Tcl installed on |
| 20:04.41 | davidos | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:04.41 | davidos | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:04.41 | davidos | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:04.50 | kriebz | joannn: no, there's a config file for grub. it might be called different things, and put in a different place between debian and fedora, but it probably works the same way |
| 20:04.51 | jhutchins | SerajewelKS: Just checked, it does. |
| 20:04.53 | davidos | what i do wrong? |
| 20:04.54 | SerajewelKS | davidos: pastebin.com |
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| 20:05.00 | SerajewelKS | davidos: do not paste in the channel |
| 20:05.04 | davidos | heh |
| 20:05.13 | kriebz | joannn: you can also use the grub> prompt by hand to boot Fedora |
| 20:05.20 | SerajewelKS | jhutchins: odd, the website tells me that i need to add bpo (which i already have added) |
| 20:05.30 | davidos | http://pastebin.com/PWdCVujN |
| 20:05.46 | davidos | How is path to this tcl? |
| 20:05.50 | SerajewelKS | jhutchins: it looks like the mozilla.debian.net version is identical to the bpo one anyway |
| 20:05.58 | jhutchins | SerajewelKS: Right, that's so it can pull any dependencies from there. |
| 20:06.34 | SerajewelKS | jhutchins: http://pastebin.com/UCs4iwp3 |
| 20:06.37 | SerajewelKS | versions are the same |
| 20:07.17 | jhutchins | SerajewelKS: In fact for 3.1 it says to install it from backports. |
| 20:07.17 | nkuttler | davidos: what's wrong with the packaged eggdrop? |
| 20:07.34 | davidos | i write ./configure |
| 20:07.35 | jhutchins | SerajewelKS: Not sure what to tell you, ask the backports list. |
| 20:07.38 | davidos | and have this problem |
| 20:07.52 | jhutchins | SerajewelKS: They're pretty responsive. |
| 20:07.58 | nkuttler | davidos: what's wrong with the packaged eggdrop, why do you build from source? |
| 20:08.21 | jhutchins | davidos: What is your problem/question? |
| 20:08.34 | davidos | i write, my problem is this what i paste there: http://pastebin.com/PWdCVujN |
| 20:08.48 | SerajewelKS | jhutchins: might have to do that :S |
| 20:08.54 | Innocentus | there are multiple lxc instances (lighweight vm containers) which are all running a webserver (on port 80) |
| 20:08.56 | kriebz | davidos: did you install TCL? |
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| 20:09.10 | davidos | I install - write - apt-get install tcl |
| 20:09.11 | Innocentus | now requests for some host should go to the matching lxc instance webserver |
| 20:09.21 | Innocentus | I guess a proxy or something http-aware need to be added, rightß |
| 20:09.24 | jhutchins | davidos: It says exactly what to do if you have installed TCL. Did you read the requirements in the documentation? |
| 20:10.00 | davidos | .. how can i read this documentation..? |
| 20:10.17 | joannn | jhutchins: i already tried os-prober and it doesnt detect the boot partition. And i know there's a #fedora channel but it's not an open channel and this is not a fedora issue but a debian one. (the grub on fedora detect the debian partition, it's the grub on debian that doesnt detect ) |
| 20:10.22 | kriebz | is there a -devel package? |
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| 20:10.59 | kriebz | joannn: I've given you two things to try. have you tried either of them? |
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| 20:11.26 | kriebz | Innocentus: I don't have much to go on, but it sounds like a reverse proxy would work for you, yes |
| 20:11.37 | davidos | i`m starting with debian, how can i write this documentation? |
| 20:11.42 | davidos | read* |
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| 20:12.11 | kriebz | davidos: start with the README in the tarball of eggdrop you are using |
| 20:12.29 | kevie | I'm in need of a bit of help regarding multiarch (on Debian Sid) |
| 20:13.01 | kriebz | davidos: I'm going to guess you might need to install tcl-dev, too |
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| 20:13.23 | joannn | kriebz: can i use the grub of debian on boot and from the menu simply tell him to load the other grub.cfg ? |
| 20:13.25 | kriebz | but in all honesty, you're not going to get support from the debian channel for compiling your own stuff |
| 20:13.34 | kevie | I enabled multiarch last year and all went well, but recently I'e installed Desura and it keeps on looking for 32 bit libraries |
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| 20:13.42 | joannn | and then boot it? |
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| 20:13.58 | Innocentus | kriebz: there is no more elegant way? is there some extra vm-gate or something? |
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| 20:14.09 | jhutchins | joannn: So if fedora's grub works, why not use that? |
| 20:14.13 | kriebz | joannn: no, but you can set the root and kernel variables and type "boot" and boot it directly. dunno what will happen with your encryption. might need some very specific kernel args |
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| 20:14.30 | kriebz | jhutchins: because at some point the debian system overwrote it |
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| 20:14.34 | kevie | According to the web, installing ia32-libs-gtk would solve this, but if I try and do that then it wants to remove half of my system, any advice/hints? |
| 20:15.09 | jhutchins | joannn: The fedora partition is encrypted? |
| 20:15.12 | joannn | jhutchins: because the MBR now points to the debian partition (MBR was changed, maybe after a debian update ) |
| 20:15.18 | kriebz | Innocentus: there might be, but you shuld probably ask a channel or forrum of lxc users |
| 20:15.20 | kevie | The regular error message is "error while loading shared libraries: libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory" |
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| 20:15.33 | MrFrood | davidos: install 'debian-reference' and 'debian-handbook' |
| 20:15.53 | mtn | joannn: http://melp.nl/2011/03/how-to-restore-grub-with-a-live-cd/ |
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| 20:16.07 | MrFrood | I think the last one is testing/sid only |
| 20:16.11 | joannn | kriebz: ok, i'll simply try to temporary copy the other grub.cfg on the /boot of the debian partition. |
| 20:16.13 | kriebz | kevie: anything starting with "ia32..." is going to be obsolete. |
| 20:16.22 | kriebz | joannn: no! |
| 20:16.26 | kriebz | look at the contents of it first! |
| 20:16.28 | joannn | jhutchins: yes, it is |
| 20:16.48 | kevie | kriebz: yes, but it seems that some programs (games via Desura client) still look for it |
| 20:16.50 | joannn | jhutchins: but it has a separate /boot partition |
| 20:17.03 | jhutchins | joannn: is that encrypted? |
| 20:17.21 | kriebz | kevie: I don't know what Desura is, but if it's not well packaged, you might have to install i386 libraries by hand, from apt. the multiarch docs talk about it |
| 20:18.35 | kevie | kriebz: Desura doesn't come as a package at all, it is only offered for Linux users as a tar file (it's a gaming client, kinda like steam) |
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| 20:19.08 | joannn | mtn: broken link |
| 20:19.33 | kriebz | well then, you're going to have to guess what it needs. it doesn't try to install packages for you during its isntall process, does it? |
| 20:19.36 | davidos | I install this tcl, but this still can not be found... |
| 20:19.48 | mtn | joannn: rats! search for that topic, you can reinstall your fedora grub from live disk |
| 20:19.48 | jhutchins | joannn: Without knowing more about your system, I would guess that the easiest fix would be to mount the fedora partitions, bind /proc and /dev, chroot to fedora and run grub-install. |
| 20:19.51 | joannn | jhutchins: the boot partition is not, obviously |
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| 20:20.03 | mtn | joannn: yeah, like that |
| 20:20.04 | joannn | *not encrypted |
| 20:20.26 | jhutchins | davidos: The message says EXACTLY what to do. |
| 20:21.06 | kevie | kriebz: no it doesn't. The main library that seems to be causing the problems is the libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0 |
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| 20:21.49 | kriebz | kevie: there is an apt command that will tell you what package will provide a file, but I have no idea what it is |
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| 20:22.12 | davidos | yes |
| 20:22.13 | joannn | kriebz: what do you mean? backup the debian grub.cfg? |
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| 20:22.33 | davidos | but I don`t know what is path to this tcl.. |
| 20:22.52 | kriebz | no, I mean, you want to add parts of the fedora one to the debian one |
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| 20:23.16 | kriebz | actually... do what jhutchins said and boot from a Fedora DVD |
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| 20:25.40 | joannn | jhutchins: thanks for the info, but the reason i want to access fedora is to get known-good debian and Tor gpg signatures and the debian iso (that's why i keep them protected in an encrypted fs) so that then i can reinstall this debian (it acts strange in the last week, maybe some flash-javascript stuff tainted the system) |
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| 20:26.19 | joannn | and using an insecure system to access an ecnrypted fs is not an option |
| 20:26.37 | kriebz | "some flash-javascript stuff"? wow. I'm glad computers are still magic for you |
| 20:26.51 | mtn | joannn: this link should help: http://community.linuxmint.com/tutorial/view/245 |
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| 20:27.19 | joannn | kriebz: ok, i could simply backup the debian /boot and copy in it the contents of the fedora /boot partition, right? |
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| 20:27.28 | kriebz | no! |
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| 20:27.36 | kriebz | wtf |
| 20:27.50 | kriebz | have you opened the file and looked at it? |
| 20:27.57 | joannn | kriebz: magic? it's called 'vulnerability/bugs' |
| 20:28.04 | kriebz | look at the contents and understand what they do |
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| 20:28.16 | kriebz | joannn: I would stake my house that you Debian partition does not have a virus |
| 20:28.18 | mtn | joannn: or even better: http://www.abouthack.com/articles/linux/reinstall-grub-2-in-fedora-17.html |
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| 20:28.49 | jhutchins | joannn: Seriously, the method I gave you above is the correct one. |
| 20:28.54 | joannn | kriebz: 'virus' or rootkit? you would lose your house :) |
| 20:29.14 | dekroning | one of my systems is going to need to spawn system commands that accept public webinterface input, I was wondering if there is a good way to protect the processes running in their, without going for a virtualmachine solution or something? |
| 20:29.29 | zinx | debian is my rootkit |
| 20:29.30 | jhutchins | joannn: Seriously, that's not a concern here. |
| 20:29.40 | confusid | WTH.... |
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| 20:29.50 | jhutchins | joannn: If you fear the debian system is compromised use a boot iso. |
| 20:29.55 | zinx | i use it to cast flash-javascript magic |
| 20:30.03 | joannn | jhutchins: i know it would works but it's not a secure method. |
| 20:30.23 | joannn | jhutchins: yes, but i have to get the iso from that partition. |
| 20:30.24 | kriebz | {{{zinx}}} |
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| 20:30.46 | kriebz | you mean a debain iso, like you can get off the internet? and what else? a TOR key? |
| 20:31.27 | kriebz | how are you so concerned about security, but haven't yet troubleshot GRUB? |
| 20:31.35 | joannn | signatures to verify the Tor tarball and the debian iso |
| 20:32.36 | mtn | joannn: you have already been given the answers you need, are you just trolling now? |
| 20:33.16 | kriebz | or drinking |
| 20:33.23 | joannn | kriebz: i know grub.cfg has some uuid in it , so if i simply copy and use grub.cfg it will still use the right partition to get the fedora kernel etcetera. |
| 20:33.26 | joannn | now i try |
| 20:33.38 | vt0r | Don't feed the trolls anymore. They are very full already and need to have an appetite for dinner later |
| 20:33.42 | joannn | mtn: stop trolling |
| 20:33.57 | joannn | bye and thanks for the infos ! |
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| 20:34.26 | kriebz | is very confused |
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| 20:39.50 | jhutchins | "Wait, you not only want an incorrect answer, you want a _specific_ incorrect answer?" |
| 20:40.29 | abrotman | ahem .. |
| 20:40.36 | streuner_ | lol |
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| 20:41.55 | streuner_ | asking in #d about different Linux OS's makes things not better, most of the time... |
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| 21:02.53 | zmode | i'm trying to wrap my head around 'alternatives' for binaries. i get the whole symlinking to /etc/alternatives/ thing, but where on earth is 'vi'? |
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| 21:03.11 | zmode | 'update-alternatives --config vi' doesn't list it |
| 21:03.16 | Bsims | zmode: locate vi |
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| 21:03.31 | darsie | may need updatedb |
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| 21:03.53 | Bsims | zmode: Oops its whereis vi |
| 21:04.02 | zmode | darsie: i don't suppose that update-alternatives uses 'locate' |
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| 21:04.23 | darsie | zmode: but Bsims suggested locate. |
| 21:04.54 | Bsims | darsie: I misspoke whereis command will tell you the path to the binary |
| 21:05.10 | zmode | Bsims: i did that. i have /usr/bin/vi, which symlinks to the alternatives folder and /usr/bin/X11/vi; same symlink. |
| 21:05.14 | darsie | I use which vi. |
| 21:05.25 | chudler | Hey people. Is there a way we can test d-i partman recipes "offline" outside of the installer? Currently I develop them and cross my fingers. |
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| 21:05.27 | Bsims | updatedb is how locate and whereis updates its file locations |
| 21:05.32 | zmode | i've also tried which vi.. |
| 21:05.54 | zmode | i'm just pretty baffled because i though vi was installed before i installed vim |
| 21:05.57 | Bsims | zmode: sure its not an alias? |
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| 21:06.19 | zmode | Bsims: i'm pretty sure yes. i made this installation yesterday |
| 21:06.28 | kriebz | you should have an alternative for vi. what does `update-alternatives --get-selections` say? |
| 21:07.05 | Bsims | Hrm dunno... what does synaptic say you have installed? |
| 21:07.18 | zmode | kriebz: 'vi auto /usr/bin/vim.basic' |
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| 21:07.59 | kriebz | oh. then what exactly is your problem? there is no proper "vi", it's always provided by some other package |
| 21:08.25 | kriebz | the default install has vim-tiny or something installed, which gets removed when you isntall actual vim |
| 21:09.06 | chudler | What I'm hoping is a partman dryrun sort of that can attempt to fake it using a loopback device only as much as necessary. |
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| 21:09.43 | zmode | kriebz: i was indeed not paying attention when i was installing vim, but i do have /usr/bin/vim.tiny, which is also, well, vim. |
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| 21:10.55 | kriebz | sort-of. read the package description |
| 21:10.56 | chudler | Does anyone even use partman recipes? I hate writing them all upfront and waiting until build time to find out where I screwed up. debconf doesnt understand partman grammar either apparently |
| 21:11.02 | kriebz | you can probably safely remove that package |
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| 21:13.20 | kriebz | you can set a shell variable to that in you profile and e.g. cd $work |
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| 21:14.14 | kriebz | you might also want to look into pushdir and popdir, although I don't know if they're packaged |
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| 21:15.34 | zmode | i had to get the elvis-tiny package and it's all good now. i still don't know how i edited files before installing vim |
| 21:15.58 | ac_slater | Hey guys I have some libs that are listed when I do `sudo ldconfig -v` but gcc/g++ cannot find them by just linking with `-l` ... I have to specify a absolute path with `-L`. Any clues? |
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| 21:18.37 | ac_slater | ah nevermind, I was confusing runtime and buildtime libs |
| 21:20.29 | wouter86 | kriebz: thanks, shell variable did the trick |
| 21:21.19 | jhutchins | wouter86: You could also use an alias. |
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| 21:24.47 | stegbth | i added a 4k disk to my system and wanted it to add to my raid |
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| 21:25.25 | stegbth | after searching how to to align, i created the partions with "fdisk -b 4096 -uc /dev/sdb" |
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| 21:26.43 | LV-426 | well ac_slater is gone, but is LD_LIBRARY_PATH considered during buildtime as well ? |
| 21:27.02 | stegbth | but when trying it to add the raidvolume the system complains the partitions is not large enough to join the array |
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| 21:30.41 | Bsims | any news on when debian will be getting the new xfce, I know it will for wheezy at the earliest |
| 21:31.02 | Bsims | er post wheezy |
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| 21:36.21 | Leoneof | hello, jigdo tried to get this file http://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/main/i/icedove-l10n/icedove-l10n-it_10.0.6-1_all.deb , but it can't find it, why? |
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| 21:39.09 | streuner_ | Leoneof: what kind of branch do you use in Debian? |
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| 21:39.24 | streuner_ | judd, versions icedove |
| 21:39.26 | judd | Package: icedove on i386 -- lenny: 2.0.0.24-0lenny1; lenny-security: 2.0.0.24-0lenny1; squeeze-proposed-updates: 3.0.11-1+squeeze11; squeeze-security: 3.0.11-1+squeeze11; squeeze: 3.0.11-1+squeeze12; squeeze-proposed-updates: 3.0.11-1+squeeze15; squeeze-security: 3.0.11-1+squeeze15; squeeze-backports: 3.1.16-1~bpo60+1; wheezy: 10.0.11-1; squeeze-backports: 10.0.12-1~bpo60+1; sid: 10.0.12-1; |
| 21:39.27 | judd | experimental: 17.0.2-1 |
| 21:40.05 | chudler | I'm just going to rip partman out of the source repo and forcedly strap it to a test harness :-D |
| 21:40.28 | Leoneof | streuner_: debian 7 beta 4 , jigdo-dvd |
| 21:40.52 | chudler | I can't help but think this road has been walked many times before |
| 21:40.54 | streuner_ | Leoneof: so its wheezy/testing? right? |
| 21:41.05 | Leoneof | yes it 's wheezy |
| 21:41.06 | Bsims | smiles so what are you trying to do <g> |
| 21:41.49 | streuner_ | Leoneof: 10.0.11-1 is in whezzy, isnt that good enough? |
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| 21:43.40 | Leoneof | streuner_: i don't know, ask jigdo and tell him why he's trying to download non-existent files |
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| 21:45.33 | streuner_ | Leoneof: well, you usually use jigdo in release times, but i would just use apt-get/aptitude to install, no matter if its an DNS Issue... |
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| 21:47.14 | Leoneof | streuner_: i'm just trying to download iso dvd by using jigdo |
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| 21:47.50 | streuner_ | Leoneof: what kind of iso do you want? |
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| 21:49.15 | Leoneof | well, i have wheezy DVD1,2,3 , and trying to download the rest. |
| 21:49.46 | Leoneof | streuner_: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/wheezy_di_beta4/i386/jigdo-dvd/ |
| 21:49.57 | streuner_ | Leoneof: you just need a netinstall CD/DVD -/msg dpkg netinstall |
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| 21:52.14 | Leoneof | streuner_: i know, everyone suggested me like yours, but believe me, i need these DVDs to work as offline, i don't have internet connection always. |
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| 21:54.43 | streuner_ | Leoneof: ok, wget them via http |
| 21:54.59 | jhutchins | Leoneof: The chances of you needing the rest of the DVDs are pretty small, I would suggest working with what you have and downloading more later. |
| 21:55.17 | jhutchins | Leoneof: Mirroring the whole debian package set is a bit silly. |
| 21:55.41 | jhutchins | Leoneof: You've got over 30,000 packages, different architectures, different localizations. |
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| 21:56.02 | wols | jorickk: terabyte drives are cheap! |
| 21:56.03 | jhutchins | Leoneof: You can also use something like apt-zip or apt-offline if you have one system with access and others without. |
| 21:56.06 | wols | jhutchins: ^^ |
| 21:56.22 | jhutchins | wols: True, but if he's gonna mirror it he should just mirror a repo. |
| 21:57.29 | streuner_ | Debian without i-net connection is just insane |
| 21:57.47 | Leoneof | that's why i need dvds |
| 21:58.24 | zinx | not sure i fully understand the computer without internet concept these days |
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| 22:00.22 | methods | can i list what depends on a given deb ? |
| 22:00.52 | streuner_ | sure, but its only headaches |
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| 22:01.09 | methods | i just want to know why something is installed |
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| 22:03.08 | streuner_ | methods: check out /msg dpkg apt-rdepends - might help |
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| 22:03.49 | methods | cool |
| 22:03.52 | methods | thanks |
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| 22:04.17 | adh0c | Anyone advise me as to how to move VirtualBox images into another directory without rendering them inaccessible? |
| 22:04.23 | chudler | partman-simulate seems really close to what I want. Seems that nobody has published a ready made partman recipe tester. |
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| 22:10.36 | jhutchins | adh0c: #vbox |
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| 22:11.09 | adh0c | jhutchins: is that a command or a tag? |
| 22:11.51 | streuner_ | #vbox 287 VirtualBox 4.2.6 released! --- Forum: http://forums.virtualbox.org/ --- Bugtracker: http://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Bugtracker --- User Manual: http://www.virtualbox.org/manual/UserManual.html |
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| 22:16.50 | jhutchins | adh0c: A channel. |
| 22:16.53 | bazkie_bumpercar | hi guys |
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| 22:17.25 | adh0c | jhutchins: Ah. Very helpful... |
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| 22:17.39 | bazkie_bumpercar | i want to install debian, but i'm not sure what ISO to use: either debian-6.0.6-amd64-xfce+lxde-CD-1.iso or debian-6.0.6-amd64-CD-1.iso. is there any difference other than what wm it installs? also, what wm does the default debian install? |
| 22:17.54 | Leoneof | jhutchins, streuner_: thanks, i will try to install wheezy, and then install/download most useful packages :) |
| 22:18.13 | wols | bazkie_bumpercar: the normal CD-1 "installs" gnome 3 but only if you choose the desktop selection in tasksel at the end |
| 22:18.16 | jhutchins | bazkie_bumpercar: gnome. |
| 22:18.32 | bazkie_bumpercar | okay thanks :) |
| 22:18.34 | wols | oops. squeeze. probably gnome 2 still |
| 22:18.37 | jhutchins | bazkie_bumpercar: We usually recommend using the netinstall. Only download what you use. |
| 22:19.03 | jhutchins | Leoneof: The default install is a pretty good starting point. |
| 22:19.40 | Leoneof | jhutchins: yep, i've first dvd |
| 22:19.41 | bazkie_bumpercar | jhutchins: netinstall is a smaller iso that i can burn on cd? |
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| 22:20.34 | bazkie_bumpercar | ah crap, i'm on 60% download already anyway.. but it's torrent so i won't hurt debian ftp bandwidth :) |
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| 22:24.31 | jhutchins | bazkie_bumpercar: Yes, smaller image that gets the packages it needs beyond a basic system from the 'net. |
| 22:25.09 | bazkie_bumpercar | does it have any advantages to the full cd other than being more efficient? |
| 22:25.25 | bazkie_bumpercar | because torrent has already completed downloading :p |
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| 22:27.46 | Arrowmaster | bazkie_bumpercar: the cd is missing some stuff so make sure you select the option to use a network mirror when it comes up |
| 22:28.10 | Arrowmaster | this is why i generally recommend either the netinstall or the dvd1 for those that cant use the netinstall |
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| 22:28.21 | Ariii | Hi! |
| 22:28.22 | bazkie_bumpercar | okay thanks :) i see |
| 22:28.25 | jhutchins | bazkie_bumpercar: Not really. |
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| 22:29.12 | ironm | hello. Does someone run postfix with dovecot and virtual users? I have set such working configuration on debian wheezy but it would be great if you could check it. Config at: http://rsync.it-infrastrukturen.org/postfix-dovecot/ |
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| 22:29.27 | ironm | Thank you in advance for any hints. |
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| 22:29.45 | Ariii | I'm running Squeeze with SLiM and when I'm logging in (All my ~/.xinitrc has in it is "exec fvwm") I only get the same default Debian background and nothing happens. What do I do...? |
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| 22:31.01 | jhutchins | Ariii: What were you expecting to happen? |
| 22:31.33 | Ariii | jhutchins: I was expecting FVWM to start. |
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| 22:31.53 | jhutchins | Ariii: Why do you think it's not? |
| 22:32.04 | Ariii | I have no idea... |
| 22:32.07 | max999 | Ariii: check /etc/slim.conf |
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| 22:33.47 | jhutchins | Ariii: Ctrl-Alt-F1 and see what's actually running. |
| 22:34.20 | Ariii | jhutchins: All I see is a command-line login screen. |
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| 22:37.28 | Ariii | max999: What should I find in there |
| 22:37.53 | jhutchins | Ariii: Right, use top or ps to find out what's running. |
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| 22:39.01 | max999 | Ariii, well you find the login_cmd line where you can check how it is logging in. you could even hardcode your FVWM or what it was call there, should work with your .xinitrc file though |
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| 22:39.55 | bazkie_bumpercar | oh one more question, are there any (compatibility) disadvantages with the 64 bit version of debian as opposed to 32? |
| 22:40.30 | bazkie_bumpercar | debian/linux in general |
| 22:40.48 | bazkie_bumpercar | i remember in the old days i didn't want to install windows xp 64 bit because a lot of drivers would not work, for example |
| 22:41.03 | AimHere | Well it'll be incompatible with 32-bit binaries, unless you install more libraries or do the multiarch thing |
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| 22:41.29 | bazkie_bumpercar | okay, and are there a lot of packages that are only available in 32 bit? |
| 22:41.43 | AimHere | The nice thing about open source software is that the drivers can be recompiled and/or hacked to work on the different architecture |
| 22:41.50 | wols | only proprietary ones, like flash, adobe reader and java plugins |
| 22:41.52 | bazkie_bumpercar | :) |
| 22:42.05 | bazkie_bumpercar | oh that's okay i don't really use those |
| 22:42.22 | adh0c | If I have a symlink in my home directory to a volume mounted elsewhere, and then back up my home directory - it will only back up the symlink, and not the entire volume it points to - right? |
| 22:42.41 | bazkie_bumpercar | and so they should be fixable anyway if i install 32 bit libs next to the 64 bit lib versions? |
| 22:42.58 | bazkie_bumpercar | adh0c: depends on how you backup :) |
| 22:43.08 | Ariii | My login_cmd is exec /bin/bash -login /etc/X11/XSession %session |
| 22:43.21 | AimHere | adh0c, depends how you're backing it up. Whichever tool or utility you use is likely to have some sort of option for following symlinks |
| 22:43.25 | adh0c | Rsync & cron? |
| 22:43.53 | adh0c | I don't want it to be backed up, as the volume it points to is where I'd like to back up /home - which would surely cause trouble. |
| 22:44.02 | bazkie_bumpercar | adh0c: i think rsync doesn't follow symlinks by default |
| 22:44.19 | bazkie_bumpercar | (not sure!) |
| 22:44.54 | bazkie_bumpercar | oh it seems you need rsync -l |
| 22:44.54 | zoredache | adh0c: are you passing `-l` so you copy symlinks as symlinks? |
| 22:44.58 | max999 | Ariii, you could tinker around with the login line, just hardcoding it to your fvwm binary or something .. i did that once but its no good way to solve it |
| 22:45.07 | AimHere | adh0c, the rsync man page should document it's behaviour and how to make it do what you want re: symlinks |
| 22:45.31 | adh0c | I hadn't even set this up yet, so I'll make sure to flag that beforehand. |
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| 22:46.40 | bazkie_bumpercar | okay time to install, thanks for the help guys, cya in a bit |
| 22:48.38 | Ariii | max999: Should I make it "exec fvwm"? (Sorry, I'm new to Linux) |
| 22:49.20 | max999 | Ariii, i would provide it the full path to your fvwm binary, the same way you could start it from tty1 or somewhere else |
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| 22:53.58 | gusto | hey folks |
| 22:54.21 | gusto | i tried to install debian testing on my macbook but i was not successful with amd64, because it does EFI |
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| 22:54.39 | gusto | someone an idea how to get rid of that EFI on debian install CD/DVD's? |
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| 22:56.05 | gusto | maybe i should learn to bootstrap a debian from a live-system like gentoo chroot after installing the base |
| 22:56.09 | gusto | ha? |
| 22:57.41 | Ariii | max999: So, "exec /etc/X11/fvwm" should be fine, right :)? |
| 22:58.17 | max999 | Ariii, no idea. backup your file, change it, try, if it doesnt work replace the current version with the backup |
| 22:58.34 | Ariii | max999: Thanks :)! |
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| 22:59.42 | max999 | Ariii, maybe you cant logint at all then so make sure you know how to restore your config from commandline :) |
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| 23:00.49 | gusto | the problem is relatively simple .. these old macbooks have a 32bit EFI, so they will not work with that UEFI enabled 64bit ISO's so i either do 32bit for debian or i can build my own ISO w/o UEFI dir, but that's work |
| 23:01.02 | xsappyx | gusto: the macbooks for the last few years boot efi.. not sure you can get older mbr style boot on those working (ive been working on a macbook install too and havent been 100% successful yet) |
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| 23:02.10 | nighthawknz | hi |
| 23:02.26 | nighthawknz | im getting dmesg: klogctl: function not implemented |
| 23:02.41 | nighthawknz | what is wrong in my kernel |
| 23:02.43 | gusto | xsappyx: mine is from 2007 and does not have a 64Bit UEFI, only 32bit EFI |
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| 23:04.16 | gusto | xsappyx: it throws some ... select cd/dvd boot: or sth like that but the keyboard is dead on that, so that's useless as well |
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| 23:04.52 | tintin | Anybody there? |
| 23:05.09 | tintin | How can i know which software takes how much space in MB ? |
| 23:05.12 | xsappyx | hm.. i wonder if you can use the x86 efi firmware to boot a x64 kernel? not sure |
| 23:05.22 | tintin | Which software/pageckage takems most space in hard disk |
| 23:05.28 | civillian | I'm trying to find out my memory specs, but lshw -C memory only shows aggregate system memory, no individual bank details. why is this? |
| 23:05.29 | nighthawknz | du |
| 23:05.35 | tintin | I want to delete those packages to have some free disk space |
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| 23:05.48 | nighthawknz | titin > du -c -h |
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| 23:06.18 | gusto | xsappyx: of course it works, but not even apple implemented that for their macosx |
| 23:06.28 | gusto | xsappyx: for me macosx does i386 only as well |
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| 23:07.20 | gusto | xsappyx: do you know if this macbooks can do PXE? |
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| 23:08.12 | tintin | nighthawknz: How can i sort it from bigger to smaller size? |
| 23:09.42 | gusto | xsappyx: i just found something on the net that suggests that, but of course the problem is the same, that the apple EFI expects to boot EFI image :-( |
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| 23:11.03 | Ariii | xinit fvwm |
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| 23:11.22 | gusto | xsappyx: btw. i am now on freebsd with this thing, and it even works, but the wlan is unstable, i expected problems from everything else, and not from the intel wlan i put there |
| 23:11.39 | orzo | do you use debian kfreebsd? |
| 23:11.40 | gusto | does still someone use fvwm? |
| 23:11.59 | gusto | no, the standard freebsd, but that makes not much difference for this matter |
| 23:12.10 | Ariii | gusto: FVWM is extensible and it's extremely fast. |
| 23:12.21 | gusto | yes, fast, because it's old |
| 23:12.30 | orzo | i was just wondering how many people actually use the debian bsd |
| 23:12.34 | gusto | and it had to run on that old pc's back then in the 90's |
| 23:12.45 | Ariii | ...Which isn't necessarily a bad thing. |
| 23:13.00 | orzo | when it came out, i thought it was cool, but i never installed it or can imagine much reason to quit the linux kernel |
| 23:13.13 | gusto | orzo: almost no one, i do not think that it was a good idea to start with that, debian even has a debian/netbsd project, no idea if it's still alive |
| 23:14.01 | orzo | i recall bsd had some cool file system that linux wasn't going to take |
| 23:14.41 | gusto | UFS |
| 23:14.44 | gusto | or UFS2 |
| 23:15.02 | gusto | ah, no, ZFS |
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| 23:16.08 | abrotman | linux has ZFS |
| 23:16.37 | orzo | "Support for ZFS in the mainline kernel. Due to license and patent issues, ZFS is unlikely to appear on Linux. " is listed as a reason ( http://wiki.debian.org/Debian_GNU/kFreeBSD_why ) |
| 23:16.41 | gusto | abrotman: compared to here on freebsd ... you have no idea |
| 23:17.15 | gusto | well, they did a separate implementation of that, but that's just "basic" zfs |
| 23:17.25 | gusto | however, i do not care about ZFS |
| 23:17.45 | gusto | this EFI thing kills me more |
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| 23:41.20 | jhutchins | gusto: EFI hasn't been available on consumer grade hardware except the Macs until recently, but Linux has worked on it at least since 2007. |
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| 23:43.14 | nevyn | gusto: we have btrfs tho.. |
| 23:43.23 | nevyn | which is the same idea different imnplementation to ZFS |
| 23:44.11 | the-croupier | there was a pkg... that makes an exact image of a running debian... i want to add it in a dvd ...and install the same thing... im happy with what is already here.. i do not remember what the pkg was called... aptco something... :( does anyone know |
| 23:44.22 | the-croupier | any suggestions? |
| 23:44.28 | abrotman | bootcd |
| 23:45.17 | nevyn | the-croupier: dpkg --get-selections and etckeeper ;) |
| 23:45.52 | nevyn | that said exact replicas arn't all that. |
| 23:47.12 | jhutchins | the-croupier: clonezilla |
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| 23:47.56 | gusto | yes |
| 23:48.06 | abrotman | judd: info bootcd |
| 23:48.09 | gusto | i was just reading about that deb-bootstrap |
| 23:48.13 | judd | Package bootcd (utils, extra) in squeeze/i386: run your system from cd without need for disks. Version: 3.23; Size: 79.8k; Installed: 332k |
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| 23:48.42 | gusto | that sounds good, i ll try to make that call from a i386 dvd to bootstrap my amd64 installation from there, should work ;-) |
| 23:49.59 | kdns | Hi all. I hope someone can tell me a way to share updates I download, with other systems on my home network. Like a shared apt cache or a local repo or something |
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| 23:50.15 | abrotman | !tell kdns about approx |
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| 23:50.48 | kdns | At the moment, I'm making aptoncd iso and carrying them to each machine. I feel very non geeky. |
| 23:50.55 | kdns | thx abrotman |
| 23:51.59 | kdns | that's exactly what I wanted. |
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| 23:54.39 | the-croupier | yep that is the one the aptoncd ;) i think.... |
| 23:54.40 | the-croupier | ;) |
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| 23:57.33 | kdns | ;) |
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