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| 00:00.08 | penguin_ | like a red pink |
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| 00:00.19 | penguin_ | pink orange color |
| 00:01.08 | penguin_ | on my desktop it looks really good // like a yellow orange |
| 00:01.50 | penguin_ | koollman, are you installing redshift? |
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| 00:02.19 | penguin_ | koollman, sudo apt-get install redshift will give you the latest version |
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| 00:04.10 | penguin_ | redshift -t 6500:4500 -g 0.73 |
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| 00:05.35 | penguin_ | redshift -t 6500:4500 -g 0.73 |
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| 00:07.56 | alusion | since knoppix is borrowed from debian |
| 00:07.58 | alusion | I was wondering |
| 00:08.12 | alusion | I booted into knoppix |
| 00:08.14 | alusion | and it's german |
| 00:08.49 | themill | alusion: you'd want to ask #knoppix about knoppix. (or look the info on their website) |
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| 00:11.34 | alusion | how do I change the language? |
| 00:11.39 | alusion | knoppix is empty |
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| 00:22.07 | wakd | At http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/debian/all.html it says "Number concerning the next release: 247". Is this number plotted versus time anywhere? Similar to the plot at http://www.debian.org/Bugs/ |
| 00:23.09 | themill | http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/ |
| 00:23.45 | wakd | themill: ah cool thx. thought I'd seen it somewhere :) |
| 00:24.26 | themill | or at http://richardhartmann.de/tags/tech/floss/debian/rc-stats/7.0-wheezy/ |
| 00:24.58 | wakd | themill: ++thx |
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| 00:35.07 | civillian | I have a file with permissions -rw-r-----+ What features are required to support the extended acl + |
| 00:35.17 | civillian | kernel and FS features I mean |
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| 00:40.48 | jagginess | !selinux |
| 00:40.48 | dpkg | Security Enhanced Linux (SELinux) is NSA's port of the FLASK Security Architecture to Linux. Also it can make your system unbootable if you uninstall it. Unofficial FAQ: http://www.crypt.gen.nz/selinux/faq.html . http://wiki.debian.org/SELinux http://selinuxproject.org/ #selinux on irc.freenode.net. See also <apparmor>, <tomoyo>. |
| 00:40.49 | stackofcats | civillian: for acl support you need to mount the fs with the option 'acl'. to have userspace tools like getfacl and setfacl in debian, you need to install the package acl |
| 00:40.51 | jagginess | civillian, ^ |
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| 00:41.10 | civillian | I thought there was a kernel support requirement |
| 00:41.12 | blast_hardcheese | jagginess: Winner! |
| 00:41.29 | jagginess | civillian, fs acl is one of the aspects of selinux |
| 00:42.46 | civillian | ok thanks |
| 00:43.10 | stackofcats | sry folks, what do fs acls have to do with selinux? |
| 00:43.22 | stackofcats | he does not need selinux to use them |
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| 00:43.41 | stackofcats | or does he? |
| 00:43.50 | civillian | CONFIG_EXT3_FS_POSIX_ACL |
| 00:43.54 | civillian | I think that's the one |
| 00:44.05 | stackofcats | yes, but that has nothing to do with selinux |
| 00:44.15 | civillian | I know :) |
| 00:44.29 | civillian | I'm asking about kernel options |
| 00:44.42 | civillian | I have the acl tools, and mount option 'acl' |
| 00:44.45 | themill | ,kconfig EXT3_FS_POSIX_ACL |
| 00:44.46 | judd | Searching for 'EXT3_FS_POSIX_ACL' in squeeze kernel config gives EXT3_FS_POSIX_ACL=y. |
| 00:44.59 | themill | and debian gives you a kernel with that config option already there |
| 00:45.09 | civillian | I'm using a custom made kernel |
| 00:45.22 | stackofcats | ah you should have mentioned that |
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| 00:46.08 | civillian | Sorry. I did however ask about kernel options specifically |
| 00:46.37 | stackofcats | yes, my bad, didn't pay much attention to that |
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| 00:55.23 | tgs3 | what boot options are needed to stop kernel from trying to set some FB text mode |
| 00:55.26 | tgs3 | and use normal 80x25 text |
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| 01:00.25 | abrotman | !tell tgs3 about kms |
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| 01:11.46 | cardamon | Is there a library needed somewhere to even begin to run a 32bit binary on a 64bit machine? |
| 01:12.37 | Arrowmaster | http://wiki.debian.org/Multiarch/HOWTO |
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| 01:13.46 | abrotman | cardamon: on squeeze or wheezy/sid/ |
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| 01:15.09 | foobaru | tgs3: try nomodeset |
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| 01:25.29 | cardamon | abrotman: wheezy/sid/ |
| 01:25.45 | cardamon | Well, specifically Wheezy. |
| 01:26.05 | cardamon | You made it seem like there were only two choices and my brain went weird. |
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| 01:28.06 | cardamon | But Iv'e got this binary on two Wheezy machines, one from the beta rc from a few months back and one I did last week. It runs on one (enough to run it through ldd to find what multiarch libs I need) and does run on the other. A bash script to set up some env variables and execute the binary spits our "nwmain not found" and ldd says it's not a dynamic executable. |
| 01:28.22 | cardamon | s/does/doesn't/ |
| 01:28.27 | cardamon | Sorry, making dinner while I type. |
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| 01:32.48 | abrotman | dpkg: tell scooty_puff1 about root |
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| 01:37.12 | barbs_ | how do i purge my nvidia drivers? |
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| 01:43.58 | abrotman | how did you install them? which version of linux? |
| 01:46.24 | barbs_ | debian 6, i used script that did it for me originally. |
| 01:47.00 | barbs_ | but i changed videocards and now it hangs at boot when it tries to start x |
| 01:47.24 | abrotman | what script? |
| 01:48.10 | cardamon | Ah, I think I see a problem. |
| 01:48.13 | cardamon | I'm a moron. |
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| 01:48.25 | dvs | well.... |
| 01:48.48 | cardamon | I don't actually have multiarch enabled...I only thought I did. |
| 01:49.07 | abrotman | that was a long discovery .. |
| 01:49.17 | cardamon | abrotman: I was eating dinner. |
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| 01:49.53 | cardamon | Then checking dpkg came to me, like a bolt of reason in a sea of stupid. |
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| 01:50.38 | barbs_ | this script:http://www.unixmen.com/script-to-install-nividia-driver-in-debian-squeeze-with-one-click/ |
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| 01:52.16 | alusion | k done |
| 01:52.19 | alusion | oops |
| 01:52.26 | nkuttler | barbs_: that's not supported here, this is: http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers |
| 01:53.16 | dvs | barbs_: aptitude purge nvidia-xconfig nvidia-kernel-`uname -r` nvidia-glx |
| 01:53.26 | abrotman | one click? |
| 01:53.48 | barbs_ | yeah |
| 01:55.03 | Iridos | hil..... |
| 01:55.45 | barbs_ | alright thanks guys. im rebooting to see if it works |
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| 02:12.59 | johnfg | hi guys |
| 02:13.27 | dvs | zzzzzz |
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| 02:13.59 | johnfg | I want to copy some files from a win partition I've mounted, to a new win machine that I have a drive mounted from. |
| 02:14.46 | johnfg | Problem is, the new win machine is my.ip.no/<the shared file>, and I don't know how to access that with the cli. |
| 02:15.15 | johnfg | For some reason, it won't copy in file manager. I'm running squeeze, btw. |
| 02:15.24 | abrotman | they're both mounted ? |
| 02:15.34 | johnfg | abrotman: Yes. |
| 02:15.54 | abrotman | so if they're both mounted .. why can't you just copy ? |
| 02:16.26 | johnfg | I can see the windows drive that's active on the desktop: 192.168.0.5/share folder, but where is it actually mounted? |
| 02:17.03 | johnfg | abrotman: I think it's a permission screwed up thing with the windows files on this older partition. |
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| 02:17.35 | abrotman | you can't read or write? |
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| 02:17.57 | johnfg | I just used Places/Connect to Server/Windows Share for the active win machine. |
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| 02:18.13 | johnfg | abrotman: I can read, but it won't write. |
| 02:19.10 | johnfg | So, I select them all, with Ctrl-A, then Ctrl-C and go to the other window. But Paste is not available, and neither does Ctrl-V work. |
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| 02:21.03 | abrotman | johnfg: checked the mount point perms? |
| 02:22.09 | johnfg | "The permissions of 'my documents on 192.168.0.5' could not be determined" |
| 02:22.23 | johnfg | that's from nautilus, I guess. |
| 02:22.29 | LtL | johnfg: do you know how to use a terminal |
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| 02:23.47 | LtL | johnfg: ls -l /home/bob/Desktop/ |
| 02:24.07 | johnfg | LtL: yup. Am in byobu-screen now; running irssi. |
| 02:24.38 | LtL | johnfg: in a terminal typ[e that, except use your user, are there symlinks pointing to a mountpoint |
| 02:24.58 | LtL | johnfg: open another term |
| 02:25.24 | abrotman | or try typing 'cat /proc/mounts' .. see what's in there |
| 02:25.50 | johnfg | LtL: ls -l shows nothing for /home/johnfg/Desktop. |
| 02:26.18 | LtL | johnfg: determine the mountpoint and do the copying/writing from cli, provided it's read/write. |
| 02:26.47 | LtL | johnfg: do abrotman's tip |
| 02:27.02 | LtL | cat /proc/mounts |
| 02:27.27 | johnfg | abrotman: LtL: I'll try that. |
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| 02:29.05 | LtL | johnfg: it's probably mounted in /mnt/ or /media/ .. look at the permissions ls -l /mnt/blah or /media/whatever |
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| 02:29.47 | abrotman | he could pastebin it so we could all see .. |
| 02:30.06 | LtL | yeah, that'd be sweet |
| 02:30.27 | johnfg | It's not on /mnt, wasn't in /proc, but I'll check media again. |
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| 02:32.16 | LtL | johnfg: so.. how did yo mount it? |
| 02:32.20 | johnfg | Oh well, I might just copy them to /tmp and change the permissions. |
| 02:32.40 | LtL | i take it you found it |
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| 02:33.05 | johnfg | LtL: The old win partition I mounted via mount /dev/sda1 /mnt/winxp. |
| 02:33.14 | LtL | johnfg: i wouldn't use /tmp/ |
| 02:33.25 | LtL | johnfg: then its /mnt/winxp |
| 02:33.45 | johnfg | The shared folder on the active win machine I mounted, per above, via the gnome menu. |
| 02:33.54 | LtL | johnfg: if you used -t ntfs its read/write |
| 02:34.20 | johnfg | From the cli, I haven't found where 192.168.0.5/my documents is mounted. |
| 02:34.38 | johnfg | It's on the desktop, but where in the files system? Don't know. |
| 02:35.15 | LtL | johnfg: ls -l /mnt/winxp |
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| 02:35.35 | johnfg | LtL: I missed about the -t ntfs suggestion. lemme give that a try. |
| 02:36.39 | LtL | johnfg: you'll need ntfs-3g installed for r/w access. the ls -l will tell. |
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| 02:42.55 | roboman2444 | libc.so.6: version `GLIBC_2.15 |
| 02:42.58 | roboman2444 | how do i fix this? |
| 02:43.02 | roboman2444 | been getting it for a few things |
| 02:43.13 | roboman2444 | /home/roboman2444/.local/share/Steam/ubuntu12_32/steam: /lib32/libc.so.6: version `GLIBC_2.15' not found (required by /home/roboman2444/.local/share/Steam/ubuntu12_32/steam) |
| 02:43.18 | roboman2444 | such as that |
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| 02:43.37 | Miesco | My vsftp server is all of a sudden not letting me anonymously login |
| 02:43.58 | abrotman | roboman2444: you do realize it's made for ubuntu, not Debian? |
| 02:44.02 | LtL | roboman2444: gee, ubuntu is a clue here |
| 02:44.17 | roboman2444 | abrotman, yea |
| 02:44.25 | roboman2444 | but it also happens for a few native linux games |
| 02:44.27 | zinx | roboman2444: upgrade eglibc or use Ubuntu to run it |
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| 02:44.38 | abrotman | neither of which seem like a good idea |
| 02:44.42 | roboman2444 | zinx, how exactly would i do that? |
| 02:44.59 | alexy | hi, anyone know how to select & copy text from pdf file with zathura viewer? thanks a lot! |
| 02:45.01 | zinx | roboman2444: first you need to throw out your sanity, it will only get in your way |
| 02:45.06 | Miesco | When I go to ftp://192.168.2.18 it asks for a login, it never used to do that, it just logged in... |
| 02:45.36 | roboman2444 | ok.... so when an application freaks out about libc 2.15 stuff, how do i fix that? |
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| 02:46.16 | Miesco | I get "500 OOPS: vsftpd: refusing to run with writable anonymous root |
| 02:46.16 | Miesco | " |
| 02:47.00 | zinx | roboman2444: ask the developer to compile it for a less experimental version of glibc. |
| 02:47.06 | abrotman | zinx: ha! |
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| 02:47.09 | roboman2444 | yea... no |
| 02:47.37 | zinx | well, i guess 2.15 isn't so experimental not |
| 02:47.38 | zinx | erh, now |
| 02:47.56 | zinx | but debian sid is still on 2.13 so you're probably not getting an update any time soon :P |
| 02:48.07 | roboman2444 | why not? |
| 02:48.11 | roboman2444 | also... |
| 02:48.14 | zinx | ... i just said why |
| 02:48.16 | abrotman | because testing is frozen .. sid is slushy |
| 02:48.31 | roboman2444 | 7 upgraded, 26 newly installed, 0 to remove and 2 not upgraded. |
| 02:48.31 | roboman2444 | Need to get 8,351 kB of archives. |
| 02:48.40 | roboman2444 | thats with dist-upgrade |
| 02:48.47 | roboman2444 | i dont want 26 NEW packages |
| 02:48.51 | zinx | it has nothing to do with how up-to-date your installation is |
| 02:48.57 | roboman2444 | i just want the other ones updated |
| 02:48.58 | zinx | well, don't install them then |
| 02:49.04 | zinx | why are you using dist-upgrade |
| 02:49.14 | abrotman | maybe he should show us what's going to be updated first |
| 02:49.14 | roboman2444 | update and upgrade doesnt |
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| 02:49.39 | roboman2444 | frigging floodblock |
| 02:49.45 | nkuttler | !paste |
| 02:49.45 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>. |
| 02:50.04 | zinx | roboman2444: i hope this is a separate issue, because updating isn't going to help you run steam |
| 02:50.04 | abrotman | frigging flooder |
| 02:50.13 | roboman2444 | zinx, i know |
| 02:50.28 | roboman2444 | just wondering why cant i update lxde without getting bluetooth crap with it |
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| 02:50.49 | roboman2444 | The following packages have been kept back: |
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| 02:50.49 | roboman2444 | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:50.56 | roboman2444 | thats why i want to dist-upgrade |
| 02:51.05 | zinx | idk i use aptitude these days |
| 02:51.06 | abrotman | so dist-upgrade them |
| 02:51.13 | roboman2444 | abrotman, look |
| 02:51.25 | roboman2444 | i dont want 26 megabytes of GNONE bluetooth stuff |
| 02:51.33 | roboman2444 | or modem manager stuff |
| 02:51.48 | roboman2444 | or a galculator |
| 02:51.53 | abrotman | okay .. then just sit there and don't upgrade .. just don't whine about it |
| 02:52.05 | zinx | i think he should switch to Ubuntu tbqh |
| 02:52.15 | zinx | we don't support Ubuntu so he would have to go to a different channel |
| 02:52.25 | roboman2444 | zinx, so you would get bluetooth stuff, just to update lxde, and ia32 libs? |
| 02:52.29 | roboman2444 | sounds like an ubuntu thing |
| 02:52.57 | zinx | roboman2444: i don't use gnome, the only dependency that would be pulled in there is bluez, and i have that already for other reasons. |
| 02:53.07 | zinx | (i use wicd for managing network connections) |
| 02:53.13 | roboman2444 | i use wicd also |
| 02:53.18 | roboman2444 | so why does it want modem stuff |
| 02:53.24 | abrotman | just let him go use Ubuntu |
| 02:53.30 | zinx | abrotman: that's what i'm saying |
| 02:53.38 | zinx | it will run steam, and he won't bother us |
| 02:53.54 | roboman2444 | oh boo hoo |
| 02:54.09 | abrotman | someone doesn't understand dependencies and recommends |
| 02:54.19 | roboman2444 | so why does it recommend bluez? |
| 02:54.21 | zinx | roboman2444: i use aptitude to manage packages, too |
| 02:54.22 | roboman2444 | and modem stuff |
| 02:54.40 | roboman2444 | last time i checked, it isnt the 90s anymore |
| 02:54.43 | roboman2444 | people dont use modems |
| 02:54.52 | abrotman | roboman2444: 3g modems? |
| 02:54.54 | zinx | <3s aptitude's pre-update confirmation screen |
| 02:55.04 | abrotman | roboman2444: which lots of people use |
| 02:55.04 | roboman2444 | zinx, i use apt |
| 02:55.11 | abrotman | zinx: you realize he hasn't a clue, right? |
| 02:55.12 | temporarybadge | lots of people use 3g modems |
| 02:55.18 | roboman2444 | well i dont |
| 02:55.43 | zinx | abrotman: it's pretty clear :) |
| 02:55.44 | roboman2444 | so, alsa you have to manually install, but modems and bluetooth comes with it? |
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| 02:56.30 | Miesco | nvm its cause owner of public ftp files was 'ftp' :P |
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| 02:57.04 | alusion | How long have IRC bots been around? are there examples of some of the more sophisticated ones out there? |
| 02:57.28 | zinx | alusion: they've been around pretty much since IRC has been around |
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| 02:57.40 | alusion | That means there's some OLD and DEVELOPED bots out there! |
| 02:57.49 | caf | eggdrop is one of the most venerable bots |
| 02:57.53 | alusion | How sophisticated have they come in the past decades? |
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| 02:59.00 | abrotman | alusion: do you have a Debian related question? |
| 03:00.10 | alusion | abrotman perhaps soon, I'm about to do some data recovery in a second here.. waiitng for the cd to finish burning |
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| 03:04.17 | roboman2444 | k, fixed it |
| 03:04.23 | roboman2444 | forgot to use --ignore-recomends |
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| 03:14.34 | sheldor | hi how can i change the routing table so the default gateway is always the wlan gateway instead of the lan gateway as is currently the case, without hardcoding the frequently changing wlan gw ip? |
| 03:14.50 | sheldor | i have: both lan and wlan with dhcp and internet routers. i want: lan lower metric than wlan. wlan default gateway for internet |
| 03:16.21 | caf | lower metric is higher priority, so i think you want the lan to be a higher metric |
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| 03:18.13 | sheldor | caf: yes. that is what i want, priority on the lan for lan traffic. internet traffic via wlan gw |
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| 03:21.10 | secher | abrotman: Well, clue train for dumbasses. Just because a cable is 5E and the sheating is unbroken AND it's connected at 100Mb does NOT mean the cable is sound. Long story short, I make another cable, plugged it in.. voila, gigabit ethernet. :-/ 7 hours of troubleshooting for a 10 minute fix. |
| 03:22.01 | abrotman | secher: oh, that's fun |
| 03:22.08 | zinx | never assume a cable is good |
| 03:22.16 | secher | Upside? I leanred about ethtool and tmux. |
| 03:22.18 | zinx | especially if it looks like it's good |
| 03:22.20 | abrotman | and never assume cable is good |
| 03:22.31 | zinx | abrotman: especially if they say it's good |
| 03:22.33 | secher | zinx: abrotman: But it was connecting at 100Mb! |
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| 03:22.46 | abrotman | secher: right, which might be possible if only one strand is broken? |
| 03:22.53 | secher | abrotman: zaktly |
| 03:22.58 | zinx | it doesn't even have to be broken |
| 03:23.09 | zinx | too high of resistance (crimped, for example) |
| 03:23.14 | zinx | will cause that too |
| 03:23.32 | zinx | despite what people think, computers are not 1s and 0s when it comes to failure modes :) |
| 03:23.33 | secher | zinx: I did check that. |
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| 03:23.58 | zinx | secher: the wire. internally or when the connectors were put on. you wouldn't really be able to see it |
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| 03:24.18 | secher | Oh well, now that I have the whole tool kit home, I'm just going to wire the whole place this weekend. |
| 03:24.56 | secher | zinx: Oh, sure I know what you're saying, but one of the first things I did was check to be sure the wire wasn't visible kinked. Anyway... |
| 03:25.09 | caf | sheldor: i believe you can add a "metric 10" clause to your lan's entry in /etc/network/interfaces to give its default route a higher metric |
| 03:25.24 | caf | as long as you are using dhclient as your dhcp client |
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| 03:32.03 | secher | On a more genera note, we're going to be deploying full disk encryption for our whole department using Truecrypt. |
| 03:32.39 | abrotman | non-free eh? |
| 03:33.13 | secher | TrueCrypt? Nope, CC licence |
| 03:34.29 | sheldor | caf: you mean only the default route, the lan internal route is unaffected? |
| 03:35.02 | caf | well the lan internal route won't matter, since more specific routes are always preferred over less specific ones |
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| 03:35.25 | abrotman | secher: not DSFG free |
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| 03:35.41 | caf | it doesn't seem to work though, the metric seems to be exported to the if-up.d script just fine but not to dhclient |
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| 03:37.38 | secher | abrotman: looks like a version of the GPLv2 with attribution |
| 03:38.00 | abrotman | !truecrypt |
| 03:38.00 | dpkg | TrueCrypt is a <non-free> (under the DFSG definition) implementation of on-the-fly disk encryption that also attempts plausible deniability, something not found in other OTFE systems like <EncFS> and <LUKS>. Not in Debian, <RFP> filed in bug #413070. http://forums.truecrypt.org/ http://www.truecrypt.org/ |
| 03:39.24 | secher | Ok, point taken. Listen, other than VLC, it's the only piece of software that is (loosely) open source and tacitly approved. :) |
| 03:39.42 | secher | We do the best we can. |
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| 03:43.10 | alusion | am I allowed a stupid question? |
| 03:43.25 | secher | alusion: that's all I ever ask, so shoot. |
| 03:43.57 | alusion | I'm trying to mount a remote filesystem via sshfs and I am unsure what to put as the hostname.. I have my system currently booted into knoppix running an SSH server |
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| 03:44.16 | abrotman | alusion: you want #knoppix |
| 03:44.31 | alusion | Doesn't really exist, is it in another server? |
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| 03:44.43 | abrotman | no, it's here .. we don't support knoppix |
| 03:44.46 | alusion | knoppix is built on debian however |
| 03:44.46 | abrotman | or try ##linux |
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| 03:45.08 | abrotman | alusion: we do NOT support knoppix, use #knoppix or ##linux |
| 03:45.16 | abrotman | !tell alusion about based on debian |
| 03:45.27 | secher | Ok, mwilson! :-P |
| 03:45.53 | abrotman | it's still OT |
| 03:45.54 | abrotman | :) |
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| 03:51.11 | caf | secher: you might have to write an if-up.d/ script that uses "ip route change" to increase the metric on the LAN default route when its brought up |
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| 04:05.17 | scooty_puff | if im running squeeze can i use graphics drivers from wheezy? |
| 04:07.03 | blast_hardcheese | scooty_puff: It's more important what versions of xorg you're using-- If you just install the deb it should tree out deps that you need |
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| 04:08.45 | sney | scooty_puff, don't mix squeeze and wheezy. you can however get wheezy-equivalent (or at least newer) versions of many drivers by using the kernel and xorg from squeeze-backports. |
| 04:09.15 | sney | the proprietary nvidia driver is also available from backports |
| 04:09.35 | scooty_puff | squeeze doesnt have a driver for the graphics card i have but wheezy does |
| 04:10.05 | sney | what graphics card is it |
| 04:10.19 | scooty_puff | gtx 660 |
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| 04:10.42 | sney | 295.59 should be new enough. |
| 04:11.10 | sney | http://backports.debian.org/ for your instructions. |
| 04:12.04 | nnatomltop | Hay I have an old Pentium one laptop with 64MB ram running etch .... I want to turn it into a mpd client .. ncmpcpp ... Howerver it looks like it needs an upgrade and dpkg does not support breaks .. wich is breaking libc what is the oldest debian distro I can currently switch to |
| 04:12.15 | nnatomltop | If I upgrade the kernel I will probably kill the laptop |
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| 04:14.00 | gnarface | nnatomltop: you should not have any problems running squeeze (current stable) or newer on that system. *installing* might be tricky though, especially if you are trying to install without swap. |
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| 04:14.54 | gnarface | nnatomltop: i wouldn't expect very high performance though... did you know you can get a raspberry pi for only 35$? it has 512MB ram... |
| 04:15.30 | gnarface | nnatomltop: is there already a version of debian on there? you may actually be able to upgrade ' |
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| 04:16.13 | gnarface | nnatomltop: if your harddrive is very small you may need to set some non-standard apt preferences to keep it from running out of space downloading the initial update package set but... it should be really possible |
| 04:16.35 | nnatomltop | gnarface, the point is to use this laptop as a show off ... like .. look what I did with a few floppies on a old pentium 1 with a working screen ... See .. Its still useful |
| 04:17.17 | sney | debootstrap. |
| 04:17.26 | gnarface | nnatomltop: well it can accomplish that just fine, if you're patient, and you probably won't even need any floppies |
| 04:17.50 | nnatomltop | gnarface, it has a working pcmcia net card ... I was thinking if it can control a mpd as a juke box it will basically be a novility |
| 04:18.07 | gnarface | nnatomltop: yes, as sney suggests a really easy way to do it is to just yank the harddrive and plug it into another machine and debootstrap an install into it |
| 04:18.38 | gnarface | nnatomltop: (assuming that is, that the squeeze installer doesn't actually work and its not any version of debian currently installed) |
| 04:18.44 | nnatomltop | I just want to upgrade dpkg and the librarys to run ncmpcpp |
| 04:19.34 | gnarface | nnatomltop: so you need then to figure out what version of debian it is on, and if its too old you need to update from snapshots first, so you can complete updating from the current repos |
| 04:19.36 | nnatomltop | If it lasts threw the gaming party .. like the hard drive does not give out .. Hurray !! |
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| 04:19.59 | gnarface | nnatomltop: i hope you're planning ahead. if your gaming party is within 5 hours from now it'll probably still be updating... |
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| 04:20.50 | gnarface | nnatomltop: in fact, scheduling, especially if you have tons of stuff installed right now, may be a good argument for just doing a fresh install |
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| 04:21.04 | nnatomltop | gnarface, the party is saturday ... .. I am also considering taking a few low power pentium 3s .. putting on small debian systems .. twm and wesnoth .. maby even xgalaga ... |
| 04:21.09 | gnarface | nnatomltop: i can't make that call for you, just giving you a warning about a possible logistical issue |
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| 04:22.27 | nnatomltop | gnarface, I have ran the party before .. so everything is set up .. I just think adding a few more hosts for people who come with out a laptop is not a bad idea |
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| 04:22.38 | gnarface | nnatomltop: i do that type of stuff for fun all the time. sometimes you need to pass special kernel command line parameters and grub config, (like no-hlt and stuff to change/disable the video mode settings) but generally squeeze still works |
| 04:22.48 | nnatomltop | Plus I have a few junk pc's .. I want to see what I can do |
| 04:24.28 | nnatomltop | gnarface, its still failing on libc6 .. Package uses breaks . not supported by dpkg |
| 04:24.40 | nnatomltop | even when trying to upgrade dpkg |
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| 04:25.46 | gnarface | nnatomltop: yes, yes, so you say, but the part i didn't say yet is that i'm nearly 100% certain you've made a fundamental error in judgment when diagnosing your problem. |
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| 04:26.21 | gnarface | nnatomltop: i don't have proof of that i'm just inferring it based on statistical information crossed with how little you've told me in specific |
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| 04:27.14 | gnarface | hmm. i wonder ... |
| 04:27.15 | gnarface | !breaks |
| 04:27.18 | gnarface | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:27.25 | gnarface | !smart questions |
| 04:27.25 | dpkg | Go here to find out how to ask intelligent questions: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html - Be sure to look at the section http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html#before - This FAQ has information to help many users solve their own problem more effectively and to help users interact more effectively with helpers. Also ask me about <reportbug>. |
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| 04:27.50 | gnarface | oh my that's far too complicated |
| 04:27.53 | gnarface | !ask |
| 04:27.53 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 04:28.04 | gnarface | there we go, that's the one i was looking for nnatomltop ^^^^ |
| 04:28.25 | gnarface | nnatomltop: this equally well applies to just saying "it beaks" |
| 04:28.46 | gnarface | nnatomltop: you need to explain exactly what you were trying to do, and give us the output of what you got and tell us what you expected to happen |
| 04:29.03 | gnarface | nnatomltop: at this point for all i know the error you have is that you're using too old a version of dpkg |
| 04:29.07 | gnarface | nnatomltop: (or apt) |
| 04:29.27 | gnarface | nnatomltop: keep in mind the *repos* themselves may be too new for your current setup |
| 04:29.50 | gnarface | nnatomltop: and keep in mind i don't even know as of yet if you're even using the right ones |
| 04:30.38 | nnatomltop | drat I am really in troubble now .. I killed dpkg |
| 04:30.51 | gnarface | ... |
| 04:30.56 | gnarface | oy |
| 04:31.05 | nnatomltop | how do I manually extract libc.so.6 from a deb file |
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| 04:31.23 | gnarface | its just an ar file named .deb instead. |
| 04:31.45 | gnarface | if you have ar installed you should be able to deconstruct it i think |
| 04:32.01 | sney | nnatomltop, if you manually replace libc6 you are probably going to make everything worse. won't that be fun |
| 04:32.07 | sney | but yes, it's ar x foo.deb |
| 04:32.51 | gnarface | nnatomltop: i would add to sney's statement that if you need to manually replace libc6 you already did something horribly wrong... you should have just updated from snapshots if your distro was too old to direct update from current repos |
| 04:33.57 | nnatomltop | Blah .. So I should just give up |
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| 04:34.21 | gnarface | well, not give up, but realize that at this point it may be far less work to just do a fresh install |
| 04:34.52 | gnarface | but if you have problems next time, come here first before you do something reckless and destructive as you did apparently this time |
| 04:35.13 | nnatomltop | actually its not less work to do a fresh install .. This is the oldest computer I own .. just finding stuff to read the hard disk will be a mission on its own |
| 04:35.24 | gnarface | nah nah it shouldn't honestly |
| 04:35.35 | gnarface | the kernels have gotten very good lately |
| 04:36.02 | nnatomltop | :P .. well I don't have time now .. |
| 04:36.19 | gnarface | how old is it really? |
| 04:36.25 | gnarface | what motherboard? |
| 04:36.36 | gnarface | worst i've ever had with a p3 was i had to pass no-hlt to the kernel |
| 04:36.49 | sney | he said this one was a pentium 1 |
| 04:36.52 | sney | 586. |
| 04:37.10 | nnatomltop | made for windows 95 .. is written on the bottem |
| 04:37.16 | sney | but as long as it's not a hilariously broken first gen p90 with rounding errors it should be ok, if slow |
| 04:37.18 | gnarface | is 586 still supported by the debian "386" kernels last i checked |
| 04:37.21 | sney | sure is |
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| 04:37.28 | sney | 486 and up |
| 04:37.50 | gnarface | no only if the 486 has the DX (orwhatever it was called) math coprocessor, right? |
| 04:38.01 | gnarface | actually i thought they dropped even that recently |
| 04:38.02 | gnarface | i could be wrong |
| 04:38.07 | gnarface | but pentium def. should work |
| 04:38.31 | gnarface | and so should the harddrive, at least in PIO mode... good luck with DMA |
| 04:38.39 | nnatomltop | do they still support floppy install ?? |
| 04:38.49 | nnatomltop | Where would I find a floppy drive ? |
| 04:38.54 | nnatomltop | Blah? |
| 04:38.57 | gnarface | it doesn't have USB does it? |
| 04:39.19 | nnatomltop | Nope .. floppy and pcmcia .. and serial .. thats IT |
| 04:39.32 | gnarface | debootstrap is a good option |
| 04:39.46 | gnarface | if you don't even have a floppy drive... |
| 04:39.50 | nnatomltop | well its to late to work with it now .. |
| 04:40.00 | nnatomltop | good night |
| 04:40.06 | nnatomltop | Night |
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| 04:43.36 | temporarybadge | whats the best way to change a hostname on debian |
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| 04:45.01 | gnarface | temporarybadge: typically via /etc/hosts |
| 04:46.14 | temporarybadge | and thats it |
| 04:46.15 | temporarybadge | ? |
| 04:46.54 | zykotick9 | temporarybadge: see /etc/hostname as well. if you use sudo be sure to change both at the same time. |
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| 04:49.07 | LtL | temporarybadge: and /etc/mailname possibly |
| 04:49.31 | gnarface | temporarybadge: obviously in some contexts your local DNS and DHCP configurations can also apply.... |
| 04:49.55 | gnarface | temporarybadge: and if you're using ldap: /etc/nsswitch.conf |
| 04:50.32 | gnarface | temporarybadge: and if the server is a virtualized guest, god only knows... |
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| 04:51.24 | temporarybadge | isn't there a script in debian |
| 04:51.39 | temporarybadge | can't i do this with sysctl or something? |
| 04:51.44 | gnarface | oh maybe, if you're using network-manager |
| 04:51.46 | gnarface | i don't know |
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| 04:51.59 | gnarface | i use the text files they're way more reliable |
| 04:52.41 | gnarface | if its a virtualized guest it would be something proprietary to your ISP, or something only your ISP employees could do |
| 04:52.48 | gnarface | (or both) |
| 04:53.03 | gnarface | *could* i mean, not *would* |
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| 04:55.11 | ackit | is there a good software for like djing package? |
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| 04:55.16 | ackit | kinda looked around |
| 04:55.31 | gnarface | temporarybadge: for most people its really just /etc/hosts and /etc/hostname and that's it. you should try that first and reboot |
| 04:55.53 | temporarybadge | just wondering what else has hardcoded dns names |
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| 04:55.58 | temporarybadge | in debian |
| 04:57.37 | gnarface | temporarybadge: well everything i can think of off hand has already been mentioned unless you're talking about the application level... at the application level in (*any* linux distro, mind you) the configuration files are subject to any amount of bizarre end-user customization so if you're not familiar with who worked on this server before i can't really give you any safe assumptions whatsoever. custom code could make the thing |
| 04:57.37 | gnarface | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:58.40 | temporarybadge | very true |
| 04:58.43 | gnarface | apache, mysql, php... its common to see hostnames hard-coded into configurations for all this stuff |
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| 05:00.02 | gnarface | so it really matters what you're doing with it, but most desktop users are in a far simpler case |
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| 05:00.49 | simonlnu | hi |
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| 05:18.37 | mactimes | temporarybadge Try changing the name in /etc/hosts, then 'echo "<hostname.fqdn>" >> /etc/hostname' and then /etc/init.d/hostname.sh start |
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| 05:19.12 | mactimes | temporarybadge hostname && hostname -f |
| 05:19.16 | mactimes | temporarybadge Just to check. |
| 05:20.20 | mactimes | temporarybadge Brw, there is a typo in the lines I sent. Should be 'echo "<hostname.fqdn>" > /etc/hostname' instead of the '>>' |
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| 06:10.33 | scooty_puff | what am i doing wrong here... im trying to install the 295.59 version of my nvidia driver through backports |
| 06:11.04 | scooty_puff | when i run "apt-get -t squeeze-backports install nvidia-kernel-$(uname -r)" it says its the newest version |
| 06:11.39 | scooty_puff | but "dpkg -s nvidia-kernel-2.6.32-5-amd64 | grep Version" tells me its not upgraded |
| 06:11.48 | scooty_puff | sny ideas? |
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| 06:14.53 | gnarface | scooty_puff: you forgot to add backports to your apt sources or you forgot to run apt-get update? |
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| 06:17.23 | scooty_puff | did both |
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| 06:50.18 | tapout | to hand type this is going to be crazy |
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| 06:55.59 | sevenfourk | hi fellas! wanted to check with you guys. I got lenovo edge 330, and interesting question regarding acpi showing up battery percentage: after 2 or more days of uptime the percentage goes from 100% -->> 99% and state becames like this: "Battery 0: Unknown, 99%". I wonder if this is normal or maybe I could have forgot some modules to compile? Thanks |
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| 07:39.30 | judgen | Will kwin be updated eventually so that the tiling gets removed? And will there be a warning of some sort for people using it. |
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| 08:06.50 | Trewas | judgen: what tiling? and is there some aspect in kde that cannot be configured :) |
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| 08:07.31 | judgen | no it is configurable still in wheezy and it is about using kwin as a tiling window manager |
| 08:07.46 | judgen | it is dropped in the latest builds though |
| 08:08.13 | judgen | to few people using it i assume, but it is well hidden as a feature so that is not schocking |
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| 08:08.30 | Trewas | the version in wheezy won't be updated |
| 08:08.41 | judgen | ok |
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| 08:10.37 | judgen | I tried just now it in a sid vm and it is still there too. |
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| 08:11.48 | judgen | good stuff indeed, but as i said it would be cool if there was a warning when that feature will be removed. (but as you said that wont be a problem in wheezy so maybe i stand on straw legs) |
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| 08:12.26 | Trewas | sid has been kind of frozen along with testing for the last half year |
| 08:12.39 | judgen | Trewas: Thanks for your time, i hope i did not bother you. I will return to lurking now. |
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| 08:24.44 | zW | Hi. Anyone ever used lxc ? And does it work well ? |
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| 08:43.15 | ray | !DChello, I bought a conceptronix Express Card for USB 3.0 but it's very unstable, I can't boot from it and copying large amounts of data keeps getting errors at some point and I have to reboot the machine. Anybody here has recommendations on a good USB3.0 express card? |
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| 08:47.04 | bolt | anything useful in the error message? |
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| 08:47.30 | bolt | i sometimes ponder not writing proper error messages in my code and just saying "error message". it's all people remember anyway. |
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| 08:49.02 | XATRIX | HI guys, i still have a question on, how can i configure the network to manage my routes ? |
| 08:49.16 | XATRIX | If i restart my host - it starts the ifaces, but no route assigned ? |
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| 08:49.21 | XATRIX | http://fpaste.org/Fpj3/ |
| 08:49.32 | XATRIX | That's how it configured in. I have the next topology, and eth1 is connected to WAN swich |
| 08:49.42 | XATRIX | After reboot , i have to manually add #ip r a default via 192.128.18.193 |
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| 08:52.53 | xcheng | man interfaces |
| 08:54.08 | b0lt | XATRIX: http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/setting-up-an-network-interfaces-file/ |
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| 08:59.53 | XATRIX | This is how it's configured http://fpaste.org/Fpj3/ |
| 09:00.02 | XATRIX | I don't see any issues in |
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| 09:02.06 | Iridos | XATRIX, you're missing the "network" line |
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| 09:02.48 | XATRIX | Hmm |
| 09:02.52 | XATRIX | Let me see |
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| 09:17.06 | subb1 | Hi. debian. |
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| 09:17.08 | magnetron | hi, what would be the best way to get nspluginwrapper for wheezy |
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| 09:17.26 | XATRIX | Iridos: I added network as you mentioned. But after reboot still no default route |
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| 09:18.04 | subb1 | For a mysql-server installed with apt-get, how can we know the 'options' with which it was compiled and installed? I mean, the the options we'd otherwise mention in the ./configure step of source installation? |
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| 09:21.31 | milligan | subb1, I don't think you can see the actual compile options . You can find dependency information though, if that helps. |
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| 09:23.05 | subb1 | thanks milligan. What I wanted to know was the compile time options like- enable-shared,'--enable-thread-safe-client, '--enable-assembler, '--enable-local-infile etc, whether they were present or not. |
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| 09:23.51 | milligan | You could always look for the packages build log .. |
| 09:24.06 | milligan | https://buildd.debian.org/status/logs.php |
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| 09:25.56 | subb1 | no logs there for mysql-server. |
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| 09:27.07 | invariant | I am having really weird ssh problems. Yesterday I was already unable to login remotely. When I created a new user, I was able to login as that user. When I mv'ed some files and created a new user for my original account I was also able to login again. After it was set on pause, I was not able to log back in. Does this sound familiar to anyone? |
| 09:27.23 | milligan | subb1, May I ask for what reason you need to know this information? Perhaps there is another solution to your problem.. |
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| 09:27.40 | invariant | It just says 'Permission denied'. |
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| 09:27.55 | milligan | invariant, wrong username/password ? |
| 09:27.58 | invariant | milligan, no |
| 09:28.26 | milligan | What do you mean by "set on pause" ? |
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| 09:28.43 | b0lt | What do you mean by "created a new user for my original account"? |
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| 09:29.06 | b0lt | are you sure the user you're trying to log in as is set up correctly? try making a test user |
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| 09:30.08 | itry | Good Morning World! |
| 09:30.29 | itry | Do I see it correctly, that debian does not provide youtube-dl? |
| 09:31.03 | jelly-home | ,v youtube-dl |
| 09:31.04 | judd | Package: youtube-dl on i386 -- squeeze-backports: 2012.01.05-2~bpo60+1; wheezy: 2012.02.27-1; sid: 2012.09.27+dfsg1-1 |
| 09:31.06 | pithagorians | hello all. is there a system tracking of what user changed the rights for some folder? |
| 09:31.07 | magnetron | itry: which debian version are you running |
| 09:31.13 | itry | magnetron: debian 6 |
| 09:31.21 | itry | jelly-home: what does that mean? |
| 09:31.22 | jelly-home | itry: read this: /msg dpkg bdo |
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| 09:31.24 | subb1 | milligan, I wanted to enable 'sphinxse' enabled Mysql installation. For this I'm doing a new mysql instal from the zipped source file. The sphinxse documentation doesn't mention other configure options except for "--with-plugins-sphix". But this setup is seen to give crashy mysql server afterwards. |
| 09:31.35 | itry | "apt-get install youtube-dl" comes back empty. |
| 09:31.58 | jelly-home | itry: type "/msg dpkg bdo" in your irc client, and read the private response from the bot |
| 09:32.25 | subb1 | Presently I have a mysql-server installed via apt-get. It is stable and running good. So I wanted to build the new one in the same compile options as the binary installation from debina repo. |
| 09:32.34 | itry | jelly-home: so i put "deb http://backports.debian.org/debian-backports squeeze-backports main" in sources.list? |
| 09:32.42 | b0lt | itry: read what the bot says |
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| 09:33.31 | jelly-home | itry: if that's what the bot and the instructions link says, then yes |
| 09:33.34 | itry | b0lt: i did and i also read the page it linked to. and my conclusion is to add "deb http://backports.debian.org/debian-backports squeeze-backports main" to sources.list and it will proviede youtube-dl |
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| 09:33.50 | b0lt | itry: sounds like a good idea then |
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| 09:34.20 | itry | im always scared of adding stuff to sources.list... |
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| 09:34.44 | jelly-home | well, services on .debian.org domain are provided by debian developers |
| 09:34.47 | b0lt | then use a browser plugin in iceweasel, for instance. much easier to just have a download button next to the video imo... |
| 09:34.53 | itry | it wont have any effect unless i install packages from it? |
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| 09:35.04 | b0lt | itry: true |
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| 09:35.29 | itry | b0lt: i prefer command line stuff. it can be scripted. |
| 09:35.57 | b0lt | i completely agree, with a few exceptions. like a youtube downloader, for instance |
| 09:36.00 | sub_ | hi |
| 09:36.03 | itry | seems to work! |
| 09:36.04 | b0lt | why script that? |
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| 09:36.24 | magnetron | a configure script is asking for a "glib 2.0 environment" but i don't know which package to install |
| 09:36.35 | itry | ERROR: unable to download video |
| 09:36.37 | itry | hmm... |
| 09:36.41 | itry | seems NOT to work... |
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| 09:37.02 | b0lt | browser plugin :) |
| 09:37.17 | milligan | subb1, would this help, http://www.howtoforge.com/sphinx-as-mysql-storage-engine-sphinxse ? |
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| 09:37.40 | itry | b0lt: it works in mint, so id rather reboot and download it there. |
| 09:37.53 | itry | b0lt: i just would prefer to also be able to download from debian. |
| 09:38.03 | b0lt | itry: you might need a newer version than what's provided by bdo |
| 09:38.08 | itry | b0lt: how? |
| 09:38.15 | itry | b0lt: and whats bdo? |
| 09:38.21 | b0lt | itry: afaik youtube change their interface pretty much daily |
| 09:38.59 | b0lt | itry: bdo is what you asked dpkg about. backports.debian.org |
| 09:39.39 | itry | b0lt: i ran "youtube-dl -U" 3 times now and that seems to have fixed it! |
| 09:39.44 | blast_hardcheese | Wasn't it "bpo" at one point? |
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| 09:40.06 | itry | b0lt: it gave me some weird message of "updating from github from now on" though which sounds a bit scary. |
| 09:40.22 | b0lt | blast_hardcheese: they're equivalent |
| 09:40.30 | invariant | milligan, sleep mode where the state of the machine is loaded into memory. |
| 09:40.43 | itry | b0lt: so now this bitch can push code onto my machines, avoiding the debian servers? |
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| 09:41.03 | b0lt | itry: that's because it is. to keep up with youtube's constant changes you need a faster turnaround than debian supports |
| 09:41.08 | b0lt | thus... browser plugin |
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| 09:41.25 | gestahlt_ | Bah |
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| 09:41.33 | gestahlt_ | I cant get ocfs2 running |
| 09:41.36 | b0lt | or download and compile it as a separate user |
| 09:41.43 | itry | b0lt: the browser plugin can NOT update itself without going through debian? |
| 09:42.24 | gestahlt_ | Loading filesystem "ocfs2_dlmfs": Unable to load filesystem "ocfs2_dlmfs"Failed |
| 09:42.29 | gestahlt_ | Any ideas? |
| 09:42.54 | b0lt | itry: of course it can, but when you're resigned to doing that anyway... |
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| 09:43.21 | itry | b0lt: so whats the benefit of the plugin then? |
| 09:43.26 | b0lt | itry: i suggest making a separate user, anyway. download and compile it as that user. |
| 09:43.27 | itry | b0lt: you are so conufsed, it hurts! |
| 09:43.47 | b0lt | in what way am i confused? |
| 09:44.26 | milligan | invariant, so what you are saying is that you CAN log in to the account, but when the machine resumes from sleep mode, you cannot log in to it ? |
| 09:44.29 | itry | b0lt: you suggest a plugin to avoid downloading from non-debian-sources. but the plugin comes from a 3rd party too. |
| 09:44.44 | invariant | milligan, I have no verified that piece of information. |
| 09:45.04 | invariant | milligan, but yes, that's the only observable difference. |
| 09:45.29 | milligan | invariant, I strongly doubt that will occur. At least I have never heard of it. Are you sure your machine retains its IP address? Are you sure it actually establishes a network connection after resuming ? |
| 09:45.37 | b0lt | itry: i just prefer the browser solution, especially since i already run my browser as a separate user with no access to anything. i also didn't get your argument about being able to script the command line tool, and it doesn't seem to work for you anyway |
| 09:45.55 | invariant | milligan, it's a machine on the LAN. |
| 09:46.03 | invariant | milligan, and yes, it is connected. |
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| 09:46.07 | itry | b0lt: what doesnt seem to work for me anyway? |
| 09:46.16 | invariant | milligan, yesterday I still even had a shell open. |
| 09:46.23 | invariant | milligan, (on another machine on the lan) |
| 09:46.30 | b0lt | itry: i am not going to solve problems you don't think you have. move along :) |
| 09:46.39 | invariant | milligan, I wouldn't ask if it was easy :) |
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| 09:47.35 | milligan | invariant, the problem you are describing makes no sense to me... Does /var/log/messages, /var/log/daemon.log, dmesg, contain any errors after resuming the machine ? |
| 09:47.47 | invariant | milligan, I also modified the hostname. |
| 09:48.04 | invariant | milligan, from foo to foo.example.org |
| 09:48.19 | Whiskey | Hay everyone :=) Is debian login crypted by defult? Or do you need to configure that manually? |
| 09:48.26 | invariant | milligan, but 'ping' resolves to the LAN address. |
| 09:48.53 | invariant | milligan, ssh <ipaddress> also doesn't work. |
| 09:48.56 | nevyn | Whiskey: huh? |
| 09:48.57 | b0lt | Whiskey: crypted in what way? your passwords are encrypted |
| 09:49.28 | Whiskey | no i mean the files |
| 09:49.44 | milligan | invariant, judging by the problem you are describing, I would do three things: 1. Verify that the user account exists (cat /etc/passwd for instance. Is the username there?), 2. Verify that you can ping the machine from ANOTHER machine on the LAN., 3. Do a port scan of the linux machine. Is port 22 open?, 4. Attempt an ssh connection. Do you get the password prompt? |
| 09:49.45 | Whiskey | i don´t know but when you install lets say ubuntu you can shoose to have crypted homedirectory |
| 09:49.55 | Whiskey | so if someone stells your computer, no one can read the files thats are on it anyways |
| 09:50.15 | invariant | milligan, the answer to all of those is yes. |
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| 09:50.44 | b0lt | Whiskey: that is not enabled by default, afaik. set it up whatever way you like. encfs, perhaps? |
| 09:51.04 | Whiskey | yeh maybe i have to goolge it :/ |
| 09:51.17 | invariant | milligan, I can also login as a different user. |
| 09:51.22 | milligan | invariant, so the only thing that could go wrong then is that you're typing the wrong password :P Is the problem as simple as a different keyboard layout on the other machine or something, and special chars are being parsed as something else ? |
| 09:51.49 | invariant | milligan, I am not typing the wrong password. |
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| 09:52.19 | invariant | milligan, I now found the problem :) |
| 09:52.42 | milligan | invariant, What was it ?= |
| 09:52.44 | invariant | milligan, the problem is that the shell I configured isn't installed :P |
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| 09:52.59 | invariant | milligan, I switched to zsh, but that's not installed yet... |
| 09:53.27 | invariant | I don't quite understand what would be insecure about putting that in an error message. |
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| 09:53.47 | invariant | If an attacker sees /bin/false is not a valid shell, how is that going to help him? |
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| 09:55.26 | nunne_ | When adding a second static IP to an bond on the same network do I only need to specify the IP+Netmask? or Should I only add the IP? since the "network" will allready be created by the interface earlier |
| 09:55.32 | ray | bolt: where you referring to me regarding error messages? The errors where as follows: Copying large amounts of data to the USB3.0 connected drive got usb bus resets and read/write erros after some time, and I could not get the expresscard to work properly again. Booting did not work because of BTRFS errors, not sure if it would have worked with another filesystem. I can not get better information because I |
| 09:55.34 | ray | allready returned the card, I would just like to have some recommendations on a good, reliable USB3.0 expresscard for linux |
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| 09:56.53 | milligan | invariant, nice catch.. I reckon you could probably have spotted that by checking the logs though :P /var/log/auth.log maybe? |
| 09:57.02 | invariant | milligan, no |
| 09:57.02 | nunne_ | http://pastebin.com/FNXseQux <- should this be okay? Or do I need more? Or can I even dump the netmask on the bond0:2? |
| 09:57.21 | invariant | milligan, but I haven't setup logging in a very good way yet. |
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| 09:58.50 | milligan | invariant, right .. glad you solved it though :) |
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| 09:59.39 | itry | Hmm... looks like in Debian, ffmpeg cannot encode mp3s |
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| 09:59.50 | itry | I get "Unsupported codec for output stream #0.0" |
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| 10:00.16 | caf | that's because mp3 is patented in many parts of the world |
| 10:00.18 | itry | What is the fix to that? "apt-get install libavcodec-extra-53" ? |
| 10:00.39 | b0lt | itry: the codec is likely not installed by default. maybe in non-free? |
| 10:00.53 | itry | caf: how do mint avoid that? break the law? pay license fees? |
| 10:01.17 | ray | itry: they make you a criminal buy installing it buy default |
| 10:01.19 | ray | :-) |
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| 10:01.40 | b0lt | the mp3 codecs are not free software |
| 10:01.40 | itry | b0lt: this page: http://wiki.debian.org/MultimediaCodecs says something about "libavcodec-extra-53". but i prefer to ask here before i just try it. |
| 10:01.48 | b0lt | debian doesn't include non-free software by default |
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| 10:01.52 | b0lt | it's not illegal to do so |
| 10:01.54 | b0lt | debian just doesn't |
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| 10:02.29 | itry | installs libavcodec-extra-53... |
| 10:03.13 | caf | you can also get 'lame' from the non-free repo |
| 10:03.16 | itry | seems not to have solved it |
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| 10:03.28 | itry | still getting "Unsupported codec for output stream #0.0" |
| 10:03.37 | itry | caf: "apt-get install lame"? |
| 10:03.42 | tro | Can someone help me troubleshoot my wireless? |
| 10:04.10 | b0lt | itry: apt-cache search is a good start |
| 10:04.15 | itry | "apt-get intall lame" installs stuff from the backports repository. that confuses me. |
| 10:04.20 | tro | I've pasted all the information here http://pastebin.com/xzACdKEQ |
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| 10:04.30 | b0lt | itry: there are probably newer versions in there |
| 10:04.52 | itry | caf: installed lame, but it STILL get "Unsupported codec for output stream #0.0" |
| 10:05.10 | b0lt | itry: figure out which codec it's looking for and where, then |
| 10:05.26 | b0lt | itry: the bdo website includes information on making stuff from there only install when specifically asked for btw |
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| 10:05.58 | itry | b0lt: "ffmpeg -i test.flv -f mp3 test.mp3" - its definately mp3, right? under mint, this converts an flv to an mp3. |
| 10:07.36 | b0lt | itry: maybe youhave to specifically specify the codec to use? or give it a path to the lame one? |
| 10:07.49 | itry | b0lt: i have no idea. |
| 10:08.00 | b0lt | google is your friend :) |
| 10:08.01 | tro | I'm unsure as to why after installing the 'Linux_PCE_N15_1006' driver from the nvidia site I still face problems with Network-Unclaimed, I've tried many a fix from google but to no avail. |
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| 10:12.33 | itry | b0lt: googled a lot now. giving up. booting into mint. |
| 10:13.19 | b0lt | itry: have fun |
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| 10:14.54 | b0lt | itry: i found this as the top result btw... seems quite relevant to your situation: http://superuser.com/questions/278900/how-do-i-enable-lame-support-for-ffmpeg |
| 10:15.12 | b0lt | debian-multimedia seems to have what you want |
| 10:16.12 | nevyn | !d-m |
| 10:16.13 | dpkg | deb-multimedia.org (formerly debian-multimedia.org) is a repository of unofficial packages maintained by Christian Marillat, not in Debian for legal reasons or because the packages are too poor in quality. See http://deb-multimedia.org/ or ask me about <dmm squeeze>. Remember to include a "non-free" component in your sources.list lines. See also <dmm list>, <dmm mirrors>, <dmm pinning>, <why not dmm>, <dmm remove>. |
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| 10:16.39 | itry | b0lt: wow, this shit makes it all much easier: www.convert2mp3.net |
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| 10:16.58 | b0lt | oh look at that. he's using a browser. |
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| 10:17.09 | b0lt | sorry. |
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| 10:17.19 | itry | b0lt: i saw that superuser page. it has the right question, but no answer. |
| 10:17.39 | b0lt | it says you need debian-multimedia, because the default install doesn't support lame |
| 10:17.43 | b0lt | seems like an answer to me |
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| 10:18.02 | b0lt | did you try checking what your ffmpeg supports, like that page suggests? |
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| 10:18.15 | b0lt | did you enable debian-multimedia, get that version and check again? |
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| 10:19.21 | invariant | What is the point of rkhunter? It seems that any good adversary can easily work around rkhunter. |
| 10:19.33 | itry | b0lt: yeah, it probably does not contain lame support so i would have to compile it myself and what not. too many hoops to jump through. |
| 10:19.44 | themill | itry: that command you gave worked for me |
| 10:19.51 | itry | themill: which os? |
| 10:19.55 | themill | wheezy |
| 10:20.02 | itry | themill: is that debian 6? |
| 10:20.17 | b0lt | itry: or you could use debian-multimedia and not compile it yourself... |
| 10:20.21 | b0lt | like that page says, if you read it |
| 10:20.27 | itry | What i dont get is: what would be "non free" if debian included an mp3 encoder out of the box? |
| 10:20.49 | itry | b0lt: "apt-get install debian-multimedia"? |
| 10:21.00 | b0lt | !tell itry about d-m |
| 10:21.09 | themill | itry: no-one suggested you run "apt-get install debian-multimedia" ... |
| 10:21.22 | xcheng | smartasses need no reading |
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| 10:21.24 | themill | jftr, ffmpeg from dmm on squeeze also does that just fine |
| 10:21.24 | itry | !tell itry about d-m |
| 10:21.42 | b0lt | itry: check your private messages from dpkg |
| 10:21.51 | invariant | Apparently everyone else who understands what rkhunter does agrees. |
| 10:21.59 | itry | !tell itry about d-m |
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| 10:22.06 | itry | b0lt: i dont have any |
| 10:22.13 | b0lt | !test |
| 10:22.25 | dpkg | Test failed. |
| 10:22.31 | itry | now i have it |
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| 10:22.40 | invariant | rkhunter solves the problem where someone hacks your machine without any kind of exploit compiler. |
| 10:22.42 | b0lt | slaps dpkg for being slow |
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| 10:22.58 | invariant | b0lt, get a SSD. |
| 10:22.59 | itry | well, im done with this. |
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| 10:23.12 | b0lt | invariant: i doubt that would fix the bot |
| 10:23.12 | itry | i prefer convert2mp3.net / mint over all this. |
| 10:23.19 | b0lt | itry: your choice |
| 10:23.42 | invariant | dpkg: change your name! |
| 10:23.44 | dpkg | that doesn't look right |
| 10:23.48 | b0lt | itry: btw, going back to the browser plugins, mine exports from youtube to mp3 directly :) |
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| 10:24.03 | themill | itry: if you're not going to even try to solve problems, then getting help on irc is not for you. |
| 10:24.59 | itry | themill: i came here about an hour ago. before that i tried like 30 minutes myself. and im not done yet. i dont think you can call that "not even try". |
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| 10:25.20 | themill | itry: well you've been given the exact things to do and are now refusing to do them. *shrug* |
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| 10:25.42 | invariant | itry, is this your first Linux experience? |
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| 10:26.08 | itry | b0lt: so does my script in mint and so does the webservice. |
| 10:26.30 | themill | and so would it in debian if you wanted it to |
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| 10:26.54 | themill | anyway, I think we've gone around this block more than enough times now. The question has been asked and answered. |
| 10:27.10 | b0lt | itry: your choice. you asked earlier why i preferred the browser solution. just answering your question, now that i had a good argument for it |
| 10:27.27 | invariant | itry, also, use mint if you want. Any Debian can be transformed into a Mint given enough skill and interest. |
| 10:27.35 | itry | invariant: being heavily into computers since the 80s, been using linux since 2002, built an it company based on it. so i know a thing or two already. still not able to create mp3s under debian.... |
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| 10:29.10 | invariant | itry, also, if you are heavily into multimedia, building some core packages from source is not a bad idea. |
| 10:29.51 | invariant | itry, e.g. AFAIK, mplayer, etc. runs faster if you tune it for your hardware architecture (more specific than 'amd64'). |
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| 10:30.14 | invariant | You don't need to 'tune' cat, but for some applications it can be useful. |
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| 10:30.27 | invariant | That said, I believe themill immediately when he says that it works for him. |
| 10:30.43 | itry | invariant: on debian 6? |
| 10:30.55 | invariant | itry, no doubt. |
| 10:31.09 | b0lt | still can't hear the word "multimedia" without thinking back to the 90's advertisements about the "multimedia desktop machines". they have a cd-rom! and speakers! |
| 10:31.45 | b0lt | itry: for debian 6, use debian-multimedia. as in the link i gave you. or just use your web page solution, or mind, be happy and move along. |
| 10:31.52 | magnetron | b0lt: image, video *and* sound! |
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| 10:32.01 | magnetron | it's interactive! |
| 10:32.10 | itry | well thanks everybody! im off. |
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| 10:32.26 | b0lt | s/mind/mint |
| 10:32.34 | b0lt | well, using one's mind is a good idea too |
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| 10:50.55 | debiantoruser | Greetings |
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| 10:51.21 | debiantoruser | How can i get ./configure options of any package, how it was builded? |
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| 11:15.44 | debiantoruser | caf, do you know, is there nfq enabled or disabled? (: |
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| 11:19.49 | gry | why isn't libdancer-perl in the repos? |
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| 11:30.14 | hroi | ehm, maybe not the right forum, but what permission do I need on a folder to make all contents in that folder ownership of folder owner? |
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| 11:30.26 | hroi | so, e.g. some other user may actually write drop a file into the folder but immediately the file changes ownership to other user. |
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| 11:30.58 | gry | you can't do that just by permissions |
| 11:31.18 | gry | you would have to have a something which would run in background and adjust permissions of the new files |
| 11:31.18 | alex___ | i'm using debian wheezy and i don't see the cherokee web server in the repositories. Does that mean it's still not in there or do i have to add something to my sources list? |
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| 11:31.28 | gry | hroi: why would you like such thing though? |
| 11:31.34 | gry | hroi: what would you like to use it for? |
| 11:32.00 | alex___ | i know cherokee was standard in debian squeeze and i'd like to get it working on my new system. does that mean i have to download / install it manually? |
| 11:32.35 | hroi | gry: I have an nfs mounted archive area mounted by a processing system... now I want the archive to assume ownership of the data... I thought some sort of sticky bit might help? |
| 11:33.09 | hroi | gry: chown -R seems in crontab seems a bit meessy |
| 11:34.05 | gry | perhaps if the filesystem supports 'sticky' things as a term |
| 11:34.12 | hroi | gry: Im not a fan of creating compatible uids and gids all over the house... I would prefer simple hand me to ownerships |
| 11:34.29 | gry | then you'd have to look for someone else who can help, because i don't know 'sticky' permissions, sorry |
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| 11:37.20 | ChrisH | gry: tar, rsync do preserve the ownership. Or what do you want to do? |
| 11:37.34 | gry | ChrisH: hroi wants, not me |
| 11:37.48 | ChrisH | hroi: tar, rsync do preserve the ownership. Or what do you want to do? |
| 11:38.07 | gry | and he wants 700 or something with other users be able to add files to the thing (i am totally at loss here) |
| 11:38.40 | hroi | ChrisH: I dont want to preserve ownership |
| 11:38.47 | hroi | ChrisH: Im using nfsmount... |
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| 11:39.24 | hroi | ChrisH: I want archive system (archive user) to assume ownership of files that other user write to its folder. |
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| 11:39.58 | hroi | ChrisH: like, say I write some data to your folder, can I make that data become your ownership as soon as I have written the data. |
| 11:40.26 | hroi | ChrisH: folder sticky bit does something like that, right? |
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| 11:41.46 | blubberdiblub | the setgid bit on directories does something like that, but that's for the group, not for the user |
| 11:41.56 | hroi | ChrisH: its like a drop-box open to anyone... but nobody but drop-box owner can delete... |
| 11:42.37 | hroi | blubberdiblub: yeah, want to avoid thinking about gids or uids... should be irrelevant... so more like a+wr of some sort. but no delete. |
| 11:43.39 | ChrisH | hroi: Would it be possible to do some pastebins on ls -l of these files from the system where the archiver should run? I am unsure if I understood all. |
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| 11:44.17 | strcpy | you'd just need one group, and the sticky bit on the folder would set the files to that group.. solved (only "problem" that specific users could delete _their_ files.. not a big problem imho) |
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| 11:59.58 | subb1 | Hi , |
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| 12:00.23 | beaver_rrr | is there any actual guide on installing debian on soft raid with lvm? i have GRUB problems |
| 12:00.37 | subb1 | I had previously asked here if we would be able to find out the compile time options set for an already existing mysql-server installation, that too done from a binary installation, like apt-get of debian pkg manager. |
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| 12:01.47 | subb1 | it is possible. Just use the 'mysqlbug' utility and we can see the compile time options at the end of the STDOUT. |
| 12:02.04 | subb1 | milligan ^^^ . thanks |
| 12:02.09 | babilen | subb1: Yes, that is possible. See "/msg dpkg debian/rules" for some pointers. The general idea is to get hold of the source package (via "debcheckout PKG" or "apt-get source PKG", /me prefers the former) and take a look at the rules file in its debian directory |
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| 12:03.51 | milligan | subb1, ah, right. Mysql had its own utility for that. Nice :) |
| 12:07.12 | ChrisH | beaver_rrr: I did all stuff with the installer and it worked allways. incl encryption. |
| 12:07.46 | subb1 | wow thats a new info ! thanks babilen |
| 12:07.48 | subb1 | :) |
| 12:08.01 | subb1 | now I can find of any package! |
| 12:08.39 | beaver_rrr | ChrisH: create 2 partitions for raid on each disk, lesser with bootable flag, create 2 md devices, assign /boot to small one, create lvm volumes, assign / and /home, right? |
| 12:08.43 | babilen | subb1: You have to install the "devscripts" package if you want to use "debcheckout". That package contains a number of other goodies that you might want to learn about too |
| 12:10.40 | ChrisH | beaver_rrr: more or less, yes. disk -> partition -> md -> PV -> VG -> lvol -> mkfs And where does it fail? During installation with the debian Installer? |
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| 12:13.46 | beaver_rrr | ChrisH: installing again, need to check something |
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| 12:18.43 | subb1 | Yes i have it installed already babilen. thanks |
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| 12:19.53 | ChrisH | beaver_rrr: I normally use non-graphical expert installation and manuall disk setup |
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| 12:36.33 | jellow | I'm having issues mount an ntfs volume , I'm able to mount and read files but I cannot write to it i get I/O errors. |
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| 12:39.44 | jellow | Here is info on the volume http://pastebin.com/87sziNti |
| 12:39.45 | ChrisH | jellow: can you pastebin dmesg to paste.debian.net ? |
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| 12:41.43 | jellow | ChrisH: http://pastebin.com/cHT0QPZN |
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| 12:42.51 | gestahlt_ | What is better? balance-tlp or alp? |
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| 12:43.03 | jellow | I'm sorry I've not used paste.debian.net I can re-post if it makes your life easier. |
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| 12:46.01 | ChrisH | jellow: next time please... Good News: No HW Issue visible in the dmesg pasted :) BAd News: I have no idea what the issue with ntfs-mount. Thers is no ntfs mount mentioned in the pasted part. |
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| 12:49.26 | jellow | ChrisH: It has worked great up to now , rather odd. Thanks for helping out though glad to hear it is probally not HW related |
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| 12:50.54 | ix_ | I know that wheezy will be released "when ready", but any idea when will that be, approximately? I'm just curious |
| 12:50.56 | ChrisH | jellow: you might want to umount, mount and check dmesg for additonal entries. that dmesg seems only to cover 33secods |
| 12:52.40 | ix_ | clefebvre, oh, hello, clem ;) how is Mint going? |
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| 12:54.56 | ubuntuw1204 | babilen: hi |
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| 12:55.21 | babilen | ubuntuw1204: No, this is not the correct channel. Take it back to #ubuntu please. |
| 12:55.38 | jellow | ChrisH: Oh dear http://paste.debian.net/228542/ |
| 12:56.28 | babilen | jellow: Time to fetch the backups! |
| 12:56.43 | ubuntuw1204 | babilen: i need some help with debian.. |
| 12:57.05 | ubuntuw1204 | babilen: but if youi r going then will xome back later |
| 12:57.33 | ix_ | ubuntuw1204, what's wrong, man? :) |
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| 12:58.05 | jellow | this is a new hard drive i can't be failing already. |
| 12:58.14 | babilen | ubuntuw1204: Please show me the output of "uname -r" and "apt-cache policy" on http://paste.debian.net of the system you are asking about |
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| 13:03.32 | beaver_rrr | ChrisH: well, did not help |
| 13:03.37 | beaver_rrr | grub still fails to install |
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| 13:04.19 | ChrisH | jelly-home: that looks less ok. But it might still be a filsystem IO error. I would test using dd if=/dev/sdb1 of=/dev/null bs=1m to read the disk. But as babilen mentioned, time to check the backups for consistency |
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| 13:04.57 | jelly | doesn't even remember what that was about |
| 13:05.05 | ChrisH | beaver_rrr: pastebin the error from ALT-F4 Did you use GPT label? |
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| 13:05.32 | ChrisH | jelly-home: forget it... tab selected the wrong nick |
| 13:05.48 | ChrisH | jellow that looks less ok. But it might still be a filsystem IO error. I would test using dd if=/dev/sdb1 of=/dev/null bs=1m to read the disk. But as babilen mentioned, time to check the backups for consistency |
| 13:05.50 | jelly | nod |
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| 13:18.20 | jelly | !qotd0 |
| 13:18.20 | dpkg | <cjwatson> my daughter is totally obsessed with cows. I should introduce her to apt? <Ganneff> how old? <cjwatson> 16 months |
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| 13:22.07 | beaver_rrr | ChrisH: is it scrollable? |
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| 13:26.46 | ChrisH | beaver_rrr: dunno. most probabaly not |
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| 13:41.06 | systemr | hi |
| 13:41.21 | systemr | I have a user that I want to give read access to the /var/log file |
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| 13:41.26 | systemr | how can I do that |
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| 13:42.05 | pras_ | I am struck with kernel panic and I was able to find that it is a Hard-lock and now on reboot landed at grub rescue, how do i troubleshoot? |
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| 13:44.29 | bolt | systemr: either you put him in the adm group, with all that entails, or you learn and configure sudo to allow him to run only the command he needs to fetch the file |
| 13:44.41 | bolt | ..or you make whatever he wants the log from log somewhere else or with other permissions |
| 13:45.09 | phix | hardlinking with other permissions is another way too |
| 13:45.39 | systemr | I am a Linux newbie |
| 13:45.45 | systemr | so would it be something like |
| 13:45.51 | systemr | useradd testuser |
| 13:47.45 | ChrisH | systemr: check man usermod and try usermod -G adm USERNAME |
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| 13:49.54 | b0lt | systemr: if you are a newbie, are you sure allowing other people you don't fully trust onto your system is a good idea? |
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| 13:51.20 | nkuttler | systemr: email him the logs... |
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| 13:52.04 | m4k | hi |
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| 13:52.27 | phix | hi m4k |
| 13:52.33 | phix | how are you this fine morning? |
| 13:52.44 | phix | Happy Australia Day btw |
| 13:52.46 | m4k | why debian does not support firefox |
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| 13:53.00 | phix | m4k: because debian has a strict licence |
| 13:53.27 | m4k | pls expn |
| 13:53.27 | zykotick9 | phix: actually, 'cause mozilla has a scrict license... |
| 13:53.47 | phix | it states that apps it supports are free in all senses of the word, firefox doesn't conform to that which is why it is called something else in debian |
| 13:53.48 | b0lt | m4k: any reason you can't just use iceweasel? |
| 13:54.05 | zinx | m4k: firefox doesn't allow debian to use the name/logo and still comply with DFSG |
| 13:54.20 | phix | zykotick9: no debian has a strict philosiphy on what a licence should be |
| 13:54.28 | zinx | m4k: so Debian has the choice of putting it in contrib and not patching it (even for security problems) |
| 13:54.52 | zinx | m4k: or forking to iceweasel, putting it in main, and integrating with debian better... you can guess which debian chose |
| 13:55.00 | themill | dpkg: tell m4k about why iceweasel |
| 13:55.00 | zykotick9 | phix: agreed. but in this case, it's mozilla saying "you can't distribute modified firefox" and still call it firefox (and use the artwork) |
| 13:55.01 | petn-randall | m4k: Mozilla makes certain restrictions when you ship something called 'Mozilla', 'Thunderbird' or 'Firefox'. Mozilla made it clear that they don't want derivative works of those products with the same name. |
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| 13:55.30 | themill | (they also don't apply this rule uniformly) |
| 13:55.45 | phix | zykotick9: Ubuntu doesn't seem to have a problem with it |
| 13:55.47 | m4k | why ubuntu suppurt??? |
| 13:55.49 | petn-randall | m4k: as this would 'water down' their strong brand. Debian chose to rename them to get out of the way. If you google it, you'll probably find the conversations on the mailing lists a few years ago. |
| 13:55.59 | zinx | phix: because ubuntu doesn't give a crap about licenses. |
| 13:56.13 | phix | zinx: sooo why doesn't Debian too? |
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| 13:56.19 | zinx | phix: ... |
| 13:56.26 | phix | Licencing is idiotic any way |
| 13:56.31 | petn-randall | m4k: ... |
| 13:56.36 | phix | zinx: :) |
| 13:56.45 | zinx | phix: no one is stopping you from using Ubuntu :P |
| 13:56.49 | phix | yeah yeah I just yanking you |
| 13:57.07 | phix | zinx: I am using it right now :P on my laptop, but my server that I have irssi running on is debian :) |
| 13:57.22 | petn-randall | I don't think it's that much of a problem. It's called icedove and iceweasel instead, same stuff, different name. |
| 13:57.38 | Guest56396 | Does anyone know of a PCIe gen 1 or gen 2 card that works out-of-the-box with Debian Etch (2.6.24) please? (In order to get a broken server working that has on-board BCM5723 that looks difficult to get working) |
| 13:57.47 | zinx | phix: i tried it but couldn't get over the retardedness with packaging, esp. wrt things like "linux-restricted-modules", that is about the dumbest way to package it i can think of |
| 13:58.03 | systemr | its a test system...I am installing Splunk and we are running an evaluation if it makes sense to purcahse it |
| 13:58.09 | zinx | phix: they also tend to put software in well before it's ready to be used |
| 13:58.09 | phix | zinx: it works though |
| 13:58.26 | phix | zinx: yes, samba4-beta12 was a good example :P |
| 13:58.27 | zinx | phix: naw, i see people with linux-restricted-modules related problems all the time |
| 13:58.37 | phix | the install package doesnt even work without erroring |
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| 13:58.41 | zinx | lol |
| 13:59.03 | petn-randall | Debian has forked or supported forks of quite a few softwares when upstream was a menace (think wodim/??, libre/openoffice, ffmpeg/libav). |
| 13:59.04 | phix | but I have a LXC debian VM for samba 4 stable |
| 13:59.21 | m4k | ubuntu is fork of debian it support ff but debian not |
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| 13:59.33 | phix | I now have my d-link wireless router as my AD :P |
| 13:59.38 | zinx | petn-randall: eglibc ;) |
| 13:59.39 | phix | DC even |
| 13:59.48 | phix | m4k: yes |
| 13:59.51 | phix | m4k: correct |
| 13:59.54 | petn-randall | PeteB: etch ... it's unsupported since ... I don't when. |
| 14:00.13 | m4k | why |
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| 14:00.32 | PeteB | petn-randall: And? Doesn't mean I can't work with it |
| 14:00.37 | zinx | m4k: different philosophy, why do you think there was a fork in the first place? |
| 14:00.38 | m4k | why ubuntu can |
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| 14:01.12 | zinx | m4k: different distros have different ideas of how things should be done. debian does things the debian way, ubuntu does things the ubuntu way. use whichever you feel most comfortable with. |
| 14:01.30 | b0lt | m4k: are you trolling? you were already given an answer |
| 14:01.46 | petn-randall | PeteB: most people in here were still kids when etch came out ;) |
| 14:01.58 | b0lt | they were? |
| 14:02.01 | PeteB | petn-randall: :) |
| 14:02.21 | ChrisH | had kids wenn etch came out! |
| 14:02.33 | zinx | ChrisH: close enough! |
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| 14:03.27 | petn-randall | I already visited the ISS when etch came out! |
| 14:03.32 | m4k | b0lt: i need not just an ans , a peoper one |
| 14:03.35 | petn-randall | *had |
| 14:03.55 | b0lt | m4k: you were given a proper one. debian wants free software. ubuntu doesn't care. that's the short answer. |
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| 14:05.38 | m4k | b0lt: i thinking to make a fork for debian like ubuntu,but not ubuntu becoz ubuntu has a company |
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| 14:05.58 | b0lt | m4k: feel absolutely free to do so. though you might end up with mint |
| 14:06.06 | petn-randall | m4k: Well, and ubuntu is already a trademark, that wouldn't work ... |
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| 14:06.25 | b0lt | he said like ubuntu, not that he'd make ubuntu :) |
| 14:06.27 | phix | m4k: etch is old |
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| 14:06.54 | phix | is mint any good? |
| 14:06.58 | agiofws | hello |
| 14:07.11 | phix | hai agiofws! how are you this fine Australia day morning? |
| 14:07.14 | nkuttler | phix: how would we know? ask the mint people |
| 14:07.16 | agiofws | is there a net install for wheezy and not squeeze ? |
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| 14:07.28 | b0lt | phix: people in here obviously prefer debian :) |
| 14:07.30 | phix | nkuttler: hehe :) well mint is a fork of debian, I would assume debian people have used it |
| 14:07.31 | agiofws | i am well this fine rainy day in greece |
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| 14:07.44 | nkuttler | !tell phix about mint |
| 14:07.46 | agiofws | anyone ? |
| 14:07.49 | b0lt | agiofws: there is a net install for wheezy and also for squeeze |
| 14:07.50 | zinx | phix: debian people tend to stick with debian. |
| 14:07.51 | phix | agiofws: aawwww, good for the plants though :) |
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| 14:08.04 | agiofws | b0lt, can you point me to it please ? |
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| 14:08.28 | b0lt | agiofws: http://www.debian.org/releases/squeeze/debian-installer/ |
| 14:08.31 | agiofws | and for the olive trees |
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| 14:09.19 | m4k | how is mint¿¿ |
| 14:09.23 | b0lt | m4k: ask mint |
| 14:09.30 | Towzzer | mint with mate is pretty good |
| 14:09.38 | fosstux | Hi! I've just installed Debian 6 on a 500 GB drive - everything works. Now I'd like to partition a 3TB drive. What is the best way to create the partition? cfdisk does not seem to do the trick... |
| 14:09.43 | fosstux | Any ideas |
| 14:09.59 | b0lt | fosstux: parted |
| 14:10.07 | zinx | *gparted :P |
| 14:10.10 | fosstux | `thanks |
| 14:10.11 | b0lt | or gparted, if you're graphically incluned |
| 14:10.15 | b0lt | er. |
| 14:10.17 | b0lt | inclined |
| 14:10.19 | zinx | gparted actually supports more filesystems :( |
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| 14:10.38 | zinx | fwiw though |
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| 14:10.42 | zinx | you can use cfdisk -z |
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| 14:10.45 | rozie | filesystems? use mkfs.* for that |
| 14:10.58 | micke | fdisk + mkfs |
| 14:10.58 | koollman | which reminds me, I hate parted with passion. I wish I had time to write a sfdisk wrapper to replace it for my use :/ |
| 14:11.04 | ChrisH | beaver_rrr: you did not answer my question on GPT and disk size |
| 14:11.15 | petn-randall | fosstux: I think you need to use GPT for > 2 TB HDD, otherwise you'll run into all kinds of problems. |
| 14:11.15 | agiofws | <PROTECTED> |
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| 14:11.28 | zinx | rozie: he needs the partition table too |
| 14:11.30 | petn-randall | agiofws: You can install squeeze, then just upgrade to wheezy. |
| 14:11.32 | zykotick9 | micke: you can't use fdisk for 2TB+ partition creation.... don't use fdisk period is a good idea |
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| 14:11.40 | b0lt | agiofws: not easily. either install and upgrade or get the wheezy image |
| 14:11.45 | zinx | rozie: and fwiw, gparted does just call mkfs.* :/ |
| 14:12.01 | agiofws | where is the wheezy image ? |
| 14:12.19 | petn-randall | agiofws: Unless it's a RW those CDs/DVDs are read-only ... |
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| 14:12.47 | b0lt | agiofws: http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 14:12.59 | b0lt | agiofws: this is all on debian.org |
| 14:13.01 | b0lt | agiofws: and google |
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| 14:14.12 | agiofws | ok downloading thank you |
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| 14:18.22 | fosstux | 2 questions: |
| 14:19.00 | fosstux | 1. Will a partition using gpt work on a Pentium D computer? |
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| 14:20.00 | fosstux | 2. How can I check if GPT is included? And if yes, how can I change the partition table type to gpt? |
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| 14:20.52 | ksk | 1. it has nothing to do with processors, guess your bios needs to be able to boot gpt, but that sounds like a question one can google |
| 14:21.23 | ksk | 2. with eg. parted you can see disk label. you can also create a gpt style partition using parted. but be aware that you loose all the data on the disk |
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| 14:21.27 | Towzzer | fosstux, do you need gpt? |
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| 14:22.04 | fosstux | well... I want to create a 3TB partition... |
| 14:22.12 | Guest41403 | Is iptables a sufficient firewall? |
| 14:22.19 | fosstux | Towzzer |
| 14:22.22 | zykotick9 | fosstux: i rather doubt you can migrate a DOS parition table to GPT myself... you'll probably need to create a new partition table |
| 14:22.23 | Guest41403 | Or are there more advanced (still opensource) programs? |
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| 14:22.52 | fosstux | zykotick9: How? |
| 14:23.01 | zykotick9 | fosstux: i used gparted myself |
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| 14:24.29 | Towzzer | Fosstux. I was just checking :D |
| 14:24.36 | Towzzer | maybe to avoid hassels for you |
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| 14:27.41 | ChrisH | Guest41403: most "Firewalls" on linux rely on iptables |
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| 14:29.44 | joltcan | Guest41403: iptables is a good foundation, but you should really get a frontend like shorewall to manage it all |
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| 14:30.32 | petn-randall | Guest41403: Really depends on what you're going to do. If you're building a firewall for your company LAN, shorewall is a good choice. |
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| 14:30.41 | no_gravity | Hello everybody! |
| 14:30.42 | petn-randall | Guest41403: For your desktop machine maybe ufw will be enough. |
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| 14:31.15 | no_gravity | From time to time, gvfsd-metadata uses up 100% cpu on my machine. Any idea what it is? Googling it only brings up the problem but no info. |
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| 14:33.28 | xelan | Hello there. I was wondering what exactly happens when debian testing becomes stable. Assuming I install testing a few weeks before the release. Do they differ besides some last bugfixes? |
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| 14:33.40 | no_gravity | Or in other words: what is gvfs? |
| 14:33.50 | b0ss_ | What Windows emulator do you use? Wine ? |
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| 14:34.19 | b0lt | xelan: no. nothing happens, and that's why it becomes stable - no more radical changes need doing |
| 14:34.34 | b0lt | xelan: keep in mind you want to track wheezy, not testing, in your sources.list |
| 14:34.41 | b0lt | xelan: otherwise, a while lot will happen :) |
| 14:34.48 | zykotick9 | b0ss_: W.ine I.s N.ot an E.mulator... ;) to answer your question - i don't. |
| 14:35.04 | petn-randall | xelan: The difference is in the the detail. 'wheezy' will always be wheezy, it will go from testing to stable some time in the future. |
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| 14:35.26 | petn-randall | xelan: If you have 'testing' in your sources.list, you'll at some point upgrade to the new testing. |
| 14:35.28 | b0ss_ | zykotick9: so how do I call it ? |
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| 14:35.40 | zykotick9 | b0ss_: use wine... |
| 14:35.44 | petn-randall | xelan: So safe bet is to have 'wheezy' referenced in the sources.list :) |
| 14:35.50 | b0ss_ | just that ? |
| 14:36.48 | xelan | So basically the day of the freeze wheezy started existing. And the day of the release is more a symbolic thing and means unfreezing testing rather than any changes |
| 14:37.05 | m4k | how to change debian source model |
| 14:37.05 | petn-randall | xelan: nope. |
| 14:37.37 | xelan | hmmm? |
| 14:37.40 | b0lt | m4k: define "debian source model" |
| 14:37.55 | petn-randall | xelan: 'wheezy' started existing basically after squeeze got released. The day of the release the softlink stable -> squeeze will turn into stable -> wheezy |
| 14:38.00 | b0lt | m4k: if you mean sources.list, that's a text file. use a text editor |
| 14:38.01 | petn-randall | xelan: think of it that way :) |
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| 14:38.37 | petn-randall | xelan: The day of wheezy's release ... |
| 14:38.56 | xelan | well I'm not asking for the day |
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| 14:39.18 | xelan | but the critical bug graph is almost a straight line |
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| 14:42.59 | xelan | Something related to my question: Is testing only for killing bugs or do they also make changes to configuration files and things like that? |
| 14:43.44 | smw | Hi all, I am trying to take a crack at debian packaging by updating a deb. The original already has a patch refers to a with "--- nzbget-0.7.0.orig/configure.ac" "+++ nzbget-0.7.0/configure.ac". Is it common to need to change the files patches point to with new releases? |
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| 14:46.26 | smw | Also, the patch appears to refer to a directory called pkgname-version.orig, is this normal? |
| 14:46.45 | fosstux | One more questions concerning samba: I want to give 3 Windows user access to one share. What security setup can you recommend? |
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| 14:46.57 | b0lt | !tell smw about packaging |
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| 14:48.01 | ChrisH | fosstux: 3 users only? filesystem backend. smbpasswd -a ; smbpasswd -e |
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| 14:48.57 | fosstux | so all I need to do is to create 3 users with the same username as in windows and then set a password? |
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| 14:49.57 | ChrisH | fosstux: thats the easiest way for the windows users |
| 14:50.05 | smw | b0lt, I am reading the debian-maint guide... |
| 14:50.14 | fosstux | ChrisH: Thanks a lot..... |
| 14:50.33 | smw | b0lt, I don't intend to contribute it to debian just yet, so I don't want to file a WNPP |
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| 15:04.46 | rolandow | hi .. i am having issues with my samba shares from my macbook .. i know it's actually a mac problem, but i thought maybe other people in here have the same experience (and solution??) |
| 15:04.52 | kakashi_ | hi, does anybody know how I can share my keyboard and mouse with two computers on two different networks? |
| 15:05.13 | kakashi_ | both are debian systems |
| 15:05.16 | rolandow | kakashi_: synergy? |
| 15:05.33 | rolandow | kakashi_: you'll need X to run synergy though |
| 15:05.35 | kakashi_ | rolandow: tried, synergy unfortunately needs same local LAN |
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| 15:05.46 | kakashi_ | yes, both have the basic X |
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| 15:06.21 | rolandow | kakashi_: maybe using a ssh tunnel? |
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| 15:07.01 | kakashi_ | ssh tunnel yeah, that is what I was thinking |
| 15:07.02 | kakashi_ | but I havent found a solution yet :( |
| 15:08.10 | kakashi_ | aha |
| 15:08.10 | kakashi_ | I can use x2x |
| 15:08.10 | kakashi_ | yhokay, let me try that ! |
| 15:08.10 | kakashi_ | thanks anyways |
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| 15:13.57 | BackEndCoder | yo guys |
| 15:14.12 | BackEndCoder | i just discovered my syslog has remained on 0 bytes since december 11th |
| 15:14.30 | BackEndCoder | could it be permissions ? or the program the makes it not working? |
| 15:14.34 | BackEndCoder | how should i go about debugging this |
| 15:14.41 | ChrisH | BackEndCoder: syslog still running? ps -ef | grep sysl ? |
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| 15:14.49 | grandie | hi all! |
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| 15:15.58 | BackEndCoder | that would be a no :P |
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| 15:17.13 | ChrisH | BackEndCoder: then starte it again and check using logger command |
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| 15:17.35 | BackEndCoder | assumin its called sysklogd |
| 15:17.39 | BackEndCoder | i restarted it |
| 15:17.43 | BackEndCoder | but its not on |
| 15:17.47 | BackEndCoder | i broke it :( |
| 15:19.06 | ChrisH | BackEndCoder: check ps -ef | grep -i log |
| 15:19.09 | zerick | Hi guys, is it possible to see the versions of the packages that are going to be installed when I run "apt-get install .. " ?? |
| 15:19.18 | ChrisH | zerick: yes |
| 15:19.57 | zerick | CrisH: Ok, but how? :) |
| 15:20.13 | ChrisH | zerick: apt-cache policy PACKAGE |
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| 15:20.54 | BackEndCoder | erm, vlogger, mysql log and and some crons |
| 15:21.16 | BackEndCoder | i will isntall syslog-ng and see if that does something useful |
| 15:21.21 | zerick | ChrisH: Oh, thanks :D |
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| 15:21.52 | ChrisH | BackEndCoder: then you want to start your syslogd from commandline .. or give syslog-ng a chance. |
| 15:22.01 | zykotick9 | zerick: IF you use apt-get you might want to use -s to see version # of all packages involved (rather then 1 at a time) |
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| 15:22.40 | BackEndCoder | o god, how embassesting |
| 15:22.52 | BackEndCoder | looks like i somehow deleted it on the 11th of december |
| 15:22.53 | BackEndCoder | oops |
| 15:22.57 | BackEndCoder | thanks for your help chris |
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| 15:40.55 | Posterdati | hi |
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| 15:41.54 | Posterdati | please help: I'm using wheezy + kde on amd64, the kwin process hangs after login at the splash screen. The kwin processo has got 3.9% of memory and 100% cpu |
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| 15:44.56 | somiaj | Posterdati: have you checked the BTS (bugs.debian.org) to see if this is a known bug with kwin or kde? |
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| 15:45.42 | Posterdati | somiaj: no I'm looking on google... but those problems are unrelated to mine |
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| 15:47.30 | somiaj | Posterdati: what package is kwin a part of (dpkg -S kwin) as I don't use kde I'm unfamilar with its binaries |
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| 15:50.35 | phorce1_ | so, any way to neatly close out activities and log out of a gnome session when you only have ssh access to the machine? Video card died and I need to keep using the machine with NX |
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| 15:50.54 | Posterdati | somiaj: kde-window-manager |
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| 15:52.09 | somiaj | Posterdati: what video drivers are you ussing. The bts seems to have issues where people are assoicating the compositing and graphics drivers. |
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| 15:53.00 | somiaj | phorce1_: what do you mena by neatly? /etc/init.d/gdm stop (if you used gdm that should stop gdm and its childern, i.e. your logon) |
| 15:53.07 | Posterdati | somiaj: ah, now I understand... I've got problem with nvidia I didn't rebuild the correct version for the running kernel! |
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| 15:54.00 | somiaj | Posterdati: are you using nvidia-kernel-dkms? If so just make sure you install the linux-headers package and it will rebuild automatically with new kernels |
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| 15:54.02 | phorce1_ | somiaj: thanks -- I just facepalmed when you typed that. This flu has my brain on serious slo-mo mode |
| 15:54.43 | Posterdati | somiaj: yes |
| 15:54.48 | beaver_rrr | ChrisH: no gpt, and 300gb disks, so it looks like a bug; anyway, screw it, i've gone home |
| 15:55.08 | aguitel | what is the default font in firefox 18.0 ? |
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| 15:55.34 | jhutchins | Comic sans? |
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| 15:57.05 | phorce1_ | Now that's just strange. I had no video at all on two monitors but EVERYTHING else was working fine, still running, accessible via ssh and NX. So, I figured dead video card. It's happened before. |
| 15:57.29 | phorce1_ | Restart X (gdm) vide comes back. |
| 15:57.59 | phorce1_ | I'll brb. Need to get out of this NX session and back to the other machine |
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| 16:07.49 | phorce1_ | That was just strange. I don't see anything in syslog from last night. When I stopped GDM I got "buffy x-session-manager[3193]: WARNING: Detected that screensaver has left the bus" so maybe screensaver was hung in a loop somewhere. |
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| 16:09.29 | b0ss_ | does anyone here think KDE is better than Gnome for daily tasks ? |
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| 16:10.51 | grandie | is it possible with debian live to de-virus a windows xp box |
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| 16:11.52 | wols | yes. |
| 16:12.09 | zinx | grandie: yes, deleting windows and installing debian over it normally works |
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| 16:12.58 | wols | grandie: there are special distros/live cds with virus scanners however. debian live doesn't come with such a thing, but it is possible |
| 16:13.01 | grandie | zinx: if it were mine i'd have no problem |
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| 16:13.48 | grandie | wols: thanks, you got any idea which |
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| 16:16.05 | jhutchins | grandie: Not clam, it's useless. |
| 16:16.30 | jhutchins | grandie: Last I checked AVG was still pretty decent. |
| 16:16.47 | jhutchins | b0ss_: xfce. |
| 16:16.49 | wols | most AV companies have a linux product which they also have as a live cd |
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| 16:17.03 | wols | avg, avira, mcafee. I think pretty much everyone |
| 16:17.30 | jhutchins | wols: Actually, if they have a live CD it's usually windows, and many don't have a linux product at all. McAffee doesn't, Norton doesn't. |
| 16:17.36 | b0ss_ | thanks but I didn't really ask that. |
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| 16:18.05 | jhutchins | b0ss_: Still the better answer. |
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| 16:18.50 | wols | !tell b0ss_ about polls |
| 16:18.58 | wols | dpkg: are you there? |
| 16:19.13 | __rob | hello, I was hoping someone can help me out with the last bit of getting vsftpd to authenticate with an Active Directory LDAP server |
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| 16:19.38 | __rob | I've turned on debugging, and it queiries the AD fine, but then login failed |
| 16:20.28 | grandie | thanks all, looks like i need to do a little more goggling to find a good live linux with a working virus program |
| 16:21.00 | wols | grandie: don't use AV programs to fix an infection. not worth it |
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| 16:21.31 | wols | grandie: get the data (via live cd) and nuke the system and reinstall. you never know if your magic AV software got all malware |
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| 16:21.50 | grandie | wols: if it were up to me windows would be gone, its not my box |
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| 16:22.33 | wols | grandie: I didn't say to remove windows altogether |
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| 16:23.28 | grandie | wols: that sounds like a workable solution if they still have the xp disk to reinstall from |
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| 16:24.04 | grandie | wols: what do you mean, not remove windows all together |
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| 16:27.42 | ChrisH | ,v linux-image-amd64 |
| 16:27.43 | judd | Package: linux-image-amd64 on i386 -- lenny: 2.6.26+17+lenny1; lenny-backports: 2.6.32+27~bpo50+1; squeeze: 2.6.32+29; squeeze-backports: 3.2+44~bpo60+1; squeeze-backports: 3.2+46~bpo60+1; sid: 3.2+46; wheezy: 3.2+46 |
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| 16:31.40 | zastern | Is it possible to effect changes to /etc/security/limits.conf without a reboot? |
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| 16:32.03 | zastern | E.g. if I make changes to limits where the domain is a user, say, www-data, can I just stop and start apache or something like that? |
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| 16:34.37 | jordanm | zastern, it does not require a reboot, it will be used next time pam_limit is used |
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| 16:36.54 | jordanm | zastern, launching daemons doesn't go through the PAM stack |
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| 16:37.15 | zastern | jordanm: oh so basically it just works when they run up against the limit |
| 16:37.19 | zastern | hmm |
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| 16:37.36 | zastern | i know i had to tune pam to allow apache to perform better, and it runs as www-data. and youre saying it has no effect? |
| 16:37.43 | aPpYe | hi there ... I installed a second hard drive, partitioned it with cfdisk, and then formatted it with (mkfs.ext4 -L MoreSpace -v /dev/sdb1) ... after rebooting, it does not appear in /dev/disk/by-uuid ... I thought this was supposed to be automatic? |
| 16:37.52 | jordanm | zastern, no effect in debian |
| 16:38.56 | zastern | jordanm: http://wiki.apache.org/httpd/PerformanceScalingUp |
| 16:39.10 | zastern | and more specifically http://wiki.apache.org/httpd/PerformanceScalingUp#Setting_User_Limits_on_System_Startup |
| 16:39.28 | zastern | although they mention freebsd and solaris. hmm |
| 16:39.30 | aPpYe | anyway, how do I make it generate an entry for this? I don't like having /dev/sdb1 in fstab. |
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| 16:40.42 | ChrisH | aPpYe: vi /etc/fstab |
| 16:41.12 | jordanm | zastern, see #376165 |
| 16:41.23 | zastern | jordanm: im not sure what you mean by that. |
| 16:41.50 | aPpYe | ChrisH, http://paste.debian.net/228618/ |
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| 16:42.12 | jordanm | !dbugs #376165 |
| 16:42.25 | dpkg | #376165:N[dpkg] start-stop-daemon: should use PAM in --chuid setting (wontfix); Thu, 15 Jun 2006 14:49:09 UTC [406942] |
| 16:42.36 | zastern | hmm |
| 16:42.37 | aPpYe | ChrisH, and I actually plan on repartitioning it with some parrallel swap space there as well |
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| 16:48.25 | ChrisH | aPpYe: Did you consider using LVM? |
| 16:48.45 | aPpYe | not sure what you mean ... |
| 16:49.21 | ChrisH | dpkg: tell aPpYe about LVM |
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| 16:50.14 | jhutchins | aPpYe: blkid |
| 16:50.50 | ChrisH | aPpYe: I am waiting for your question on the pastebin you showed |
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| 16:51.09 | kephra | moin |
| 16:51.17 | jhutchins | aPpYe: You have to create the UUID for the partition. |
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| 16:51.27 | kephra | is there a way in debian/wheezy to tell login not to clear console? |
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| 16:51.44 | aPpYe | jhutchins, yeah... that is what i was asking lol |
| 16:52.21 | ChrisH | kephra: you mean upon reboot and spawn the console login or during logout or ? |
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| 16:53.25 | aPpYe | ChrisH, you asked me to vi /etc/fstab, so I pastebinned it. I want to know how to generate a uuid entry. I was under the impression that it would be automatic |
| 16:53.42 | aPpYe | jhutchins, so how to do so? |
| 16:53.43 | kephra | ChrisH, the login after boot |
| 16:54.05 | kephra | squeeze did not clean the console, wheezy does |
| 16:54.27 | ChrisH | aPpYe: run blkid /dev/sda? /dev/sdb? #with the ? as I showed it. Do you get UUIDs from these partitions as expected? |
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| 16:56.09 | kephra | imho, uuid's for disks is stupid ;-( it causes lots of problems, if you want to migrate system to a new hardware - especially the uuid's within the initrd |
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| 16:56.22 | jhutchins | aPpYe: man blkid |
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| 16:57.13 | barbs | when will wheezy become stable? |
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| 16:57.20 | Towzzer | probably feb/march |
| 16:57.23 | kephra | barbs, soon |
| 16:57.34 | ChrisH | kephra: UUIDs are fine if used inside and from eg. md-tools. |
| 16:57.34 | aPpYe | okay, running those commands produces the uuids I would want to enter into fstab, but they are still not in /dev/disk/by-uuid |
| 16:58.19 | ChrisH | Towzzer: 2013 or 2014? |
| 16:59.00 | aPpYe | I am going to reboot and see if the fstab entry works ... brb. |
| 16:59.20 | ChrisH | swap -a would be fine, too |
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| 17:00.23 | Sorinan | There's a way to create a nested RAID1+0 in the Debian installer? |
| 17:00.50 | ChrisH | nested? means eg. 4 partitions involved? |
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| 17:01.04 | Sorinan | ChrisH, exactly |
| 17:01.28 | Sorinan | to achieve redundancy AND speed |
| 17:01.56 | ChrisH | Sorinan: should work. I would put /boot onto a small raid 1 MD |
| 17:02.29 | Sorinan | ChrisH, I'm in the installer right now, but it doesn't let me create the RAID0 |
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| 17:03.07 | Sorinan | i mean, when i try to configure the partition that the RAID1 creates, it shows all possible filesystems and configs BUT a RAID config |
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| 17:04.28 | Sorinan | OK, installers are for pussies, console let's go |
| 17:04.31 | Sorinan | :P |
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| 17:05.04 | daniel-s_ | I there, I'm reading about submitting bugs through regular email and pseudo-headers: http://www.debian.org/Bugs/Reporting |
| 17:05.21 | kephra | I think I last installed a Debian from CD when creating the Bremer-Debian (potato) with Peter Ganten |
| 17:05.39 | ChrisH | Sorinan: does it allow to use Raid 10 |
| 17:05.40 | daniel-s_ | when it says to add pseudo headers, is this just text that I am adding to the body of the email, or am I required to get my client to send custom headers? |
| 17:05.54 | kephra | normally use boot into backup cycle - so I debootstrap it on an NFS server, and boot into it by PXE |
| 17:06.10 | jhutchins | daniel-s_: it? |
| 17:06.16 | kephra | benefit: I have a backup, even before I have it installed on real hardware ;-) |
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| 17:06.29 | kephra | install = restore from backup |
| 17:06.36 | jhutchins | kephra: Did you have a support question? |
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| 17:07.00 | kephra | jhutchins, yes - still the problem, that wheezy cleans console on boot for login |
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| 17:07.43 | veleno | hello everyone. i have a tcp client application that streams data to a server machine. is there some tool to measure the data rate that such client is reaching? on this machine i cannot install nethogs. |
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| 17:10.21 | ChrisH | veleno: the client ? |
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| 17:11.15 | veleno | ChrisH: the client is a simple C application that just send data forever |
| 17:12.00 | TheWarden | Hi, I'm in recover mode on a Debian Squeeze system how would I go about getting SSHD running again as it would be easier to administer via SSH then directly on the system itself. |
| 17:12.09 | daniel-s_ | jhutchins: I was referring to the instructions in how to submit a bug by sending an email (in the link to the guide I gave) |
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| 17:12.32 | Sorinan | ChrisH, hahah, indeed, it lets me :P |
| 17:12.35 | aPpYe | ChrisH, jhutchins, nevermind. I was being stupid. I was expecting the sdb entries to appear below the sda entries when I did ls -al /dev/disk/by-uuid ... a closer look revealed that they were there. A weird order, but they are there: http://paste.debian.net/228628/ |
| 17:12.36 | veleno | ChrisH: i know I can capture the traffic with something like: sudo strace -p PID -f -e trace=network -s 10 |
| 17:13.05 | wols | strace captures network traffic? |
| 17:13.16 | jhutchins | daniel-s_: Sorry, missed that. |
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| 17:13.37 | kephra | TheWarden, ssh wont run in single user (recovery) mode |
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| 17:14.19 | jhutchins | TheWarden: First get the network up, then start sshd. |
| 17:14.26 | TheWarden | kephra: oh okay, crappy. okay I guess I'll print out the instructions and type in manually then. |
| 17:15.02 | ChrisH | veleno: man strace / -e trace=network / Trace all the network related system calls. This does not mean any throughput related data |
| 17:15.17 | kephra | you can also try as jhutchins said, to get network running by hand (likely ifup does not work during recovery) |
| 17:15.23 | veleno | ChrisH: exactly. that's not what I search for, you're correct. |
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| 17:16.30 | ChrisH | veleno: ntop might be something you need/want |
| 17:16.32 | TheWarden | jhutchins: looks like that is not possible in recovery mode or (single user mode). I did /etc/init.d/sshd start and I got no such file or directory. |
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| 17:17.22 | jhutchins | TheWarden: Is the network up? |
| 17:17.32 | jhutchins | TheWarden: That suggests that ssh-server isn't installed. |
| 17:17.37 | TheWarden | jhutchins: yes its running fine. |
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| 17:18.01 | TheWarden | jhutchins: well that's not true the system was already setup for sshd. |
| 17:18.03 | jhutchins | TheWarden: What's the problem? GUI not working? |
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| 17:18.15 | gena2x | if ssh-server not installed /etc/init.d/sshd would not exist |
| 17:18.40 | gena2x | do /etc/init.d/networking start |
| 17:18.48 | jhutchins | conversely, if /etc/init.d/sshd does not exist, ssh-server is not installed. |
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| 17:19.00 | TheWarden | jhutchins: yes GUI is not working because "No devices detected" and "Fatal server error: no screens found" within the x.org log file. So I believe the solution is to update the Nouveau video driver in order to get support for the video card installed. |
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| 17:19.24 | jhutchins | TheWarden: Rather than recovery mode, just switch to a console in normal mode. |
| 17:19.42 | gena2x | or just login via ssh in normal mode |
| 17:19.52 | TheWarden | jhutchins: I'm in recovery mode doing this... therefore I don't think I can do that. I know for a fact SSH was installed at installation. |
| 17:19.58 | gena2x | absebce of x server doesn't mean you can't login to system |
| 17:20.14 | gena2x | with ssh |
| 17:20.21 | TheWarden | jhutchins: mmm I tried doing CTRL-ALT-F1 at the GUI and it won't let me stay in console mode it keeps flashing away as the GUI is not working. |
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| 17:21.06 | TheWarden | I don't know why I didn't think of that I'll do that then reboot system and let it load normal and connect in via SSH as long as that is okay to be in that mode to do the driver update. |
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| 17:22.58 | linux-user | /msg dpkg guidelines |
| 17:23.22 | jhutchins | TheWarden: You can kill gdm to keep it from trying to load the gui. |
| 17:23.45 | TheWarden | jhutchins: yes once I'm in via SSH you mean? |
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| 17:24.41 | kephra | TheWarden, just delete the window manager from /etc/rc*d/ - and reboot ;-) |
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| 17:25.28 | kephra | TheWarden, add "[ `tty` = /dev/tty1 ] && exec startx" at the end of your normal user (not root user) profile - and you dont need a display manager |
| 17:25.42 | TheWarden | kephra: interesting, okay. Well unless that is necessary I'm not going to for now as I want the window manager to load just need to update the video driver for it to work again. Since I'm in via SSH with it booted normally I'm fine I think. |
| 17:25.43 | kephra | -2s/window manager/display manager/ *blush* |
| 17:26.53 | TheWarden | kephra: oh okay, interesting approach so your telling the main system file that there is now window manager to load but then telling normal users to load the window manager by using the user's profile file. Cool. |
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| 17:28.36 | kephra | old school, TheWarden - be away that startx must be started with exec before - else its possible to kill X and use the console, even if X was locked by a screen locker |
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| 17:28.48 | kephra | s/away/aware/ *typo* |
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| 17:29.17 | kephra | and I'm not telling the system to start a window manager after login, but to start X |
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| 17:30.49 | TheWarden | yes right I said that wrong okay. Thanks. |
| 17:31.18 | TheWarden | Does everything look okay with my /etc/apt/sources.list, https://gist.github.com/15627a54248dc5126915? I just wanted to confirm I have it done correctly. |
| 17:31.29 | jhutchins | kephra: The point is to NOT try to start X because he needs to update the drivers. |
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| 17:31.58 | kephra | jhutchins, thats the first part - delete the wm from /etc/rc*d/ |
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| 17:32.17 | TheWarden | I'll make note of what kephra said but not going to do that for now since I can get in via SSH in normal boot mode I'll update video driver that way. |
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| 17:33.13 | jhutchins | kephra: That's not really a good way to disable it, you should use update-rc.d or rc-conf or chkconfig instead. |
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| 17:34.17 | jhutchins | kephra: Ther's no need to remove the symlink from anything but rc2.d |
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| 17:36.07 | TheWarden | mm well I ran apt-get update and I'm getting a bunch of ignores and failure, see https://gist.github.com/15627a54248dc5126915. The first file is the apt-get update results and the second is my /etc/apt/sources.list. |
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| 17:38.14 | jhutchins | TheWarden: Are you trying to update the debian/free drivers or are you tryin got update the [nvidia|ati]/proprietary drivers |
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| 17:38.48 | veleno | another interesting question is how to redirect the output of nethogs to file so that it's easily parseable after the execution. |
| 17:38.56 | TheWarden | jhutchins: I'm just making sure I have the sources.list set correct and its updated to latest then I was going to follow instructions from /msg dpkg nvidia dkms |
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| 17:40.21 | TheWarden | jhutchins: also it is my understanding that in order to get this video update I need contrib and non-free. |
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| 17:41.28 | Guest79415 | hi |
| 17:41.29 | jhutchins | TheWarden: Yeah, error in your sources. See how it's trying to get stuff from ftp.ca instead of ftp.ca.debian.org? |
| 17:42.12 | Guest79415 | is there a way to use debian as source distro (like gentoo) |
| 17:42.15 | Guest79415 | ? |
| 17:42.15 | jhutchins | TheWarden: (You did not post your sources.list.) |
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| 17:42.29 | jhutchins | Guest79415: Why? |
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| 17:43.06 | Guest79415 | jhutchins: why not? |
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| 17:43.23 | TheWarden | jhutchins: ahh okay sorry I missed that. Ahh how am I not posting the sources.list? I'm editing /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 17:44.14 | jhutchins | TheWarden: I mean you didn't post a link to a pastebin of it, but you should be able to find the error yourself. |
| 17:44.30 | TheWarden | okay here is it all updated, https://gist.github.com/15627a54248dc5126915 |
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| 17:45.13 | jhutchins | That's the error. |
| 17:45.25 | TheWarden | jhutchins: oh I see the gist link of it anyways above is the sources.list and the results of apt-get update. |
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| 17:45.55 | jhutchins | TheWarden: That link is to the output, not to the sources list. All three links are the same. |
| 17:46.39 | TheWarden | jhutchins: odd that I can see both on my screen and you can't. Its all on the same page. |
| 17:47.26 | jhutchins | TheWarden: Ah, different feature. |
| 17:47.29 | TheWarden | I should remove line # 1, 9-11 I think |
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| 17:48.20 | jhutchins | TheWarden: Ok, you fixed it. |
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| 17:48.50 | TheWarden | jhutchins: thanks for looking! so do you agree removing line # 1, 9-11 as those are not needed and duplicated? |
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| 17:53.32 | josefig | I'm having this issue on ec2 using debian squeeze http://sprunge.us/FECA someone is having the same problem ? |
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| 17:55.52 | jhutchins | TheWarden: Removing a commented line has no real effect. |
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| 18:06.54 | kephra | jhutchins, btw - you claim that just removing a file from rc*d is not enough - I normaly use update-rc.d for installing, and rm for removing - whats wrong with a rm, what does update-rc.d in addition? |
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| 18:11.13 | jordanm | kephra, it can rename the start links to stop links, so the start links are not put back on package upgrade |
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| 18:14.14 | Rix | !last-release |
| 18:14.16 | Rix | !help |
| 18:14.21 | Rix | !daily-release |
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| 18:15.12 | Rix | can anybody provide me with a link to the daily release of wheezy, thanks |
| 18:16.39 | kephra | *thanks* jordanm |
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| 18:19.24 | Rix | found it http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/daily-builds/wheezy_d-i/current/i386/iso-cd/firmware-testing-i386-netinst.iso |
| 18:19.25 | Rix | :) |
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| 18:24.50 | pythonsnake | should i use deb sid on a server? |
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| 18:25.51 | Armand | pythonsnake, sure.. just make sure the reset button works. ¬_¬ |
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| 18:26.12 | pythonsnake | it does |
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| 18:28.22 | kephra | pythonsnake, I prefer a release that does not update that often for servers |
| 18:29.07 | pythonsnake | yeah, going with wheezy |
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| 18:30.39 | kephra | wheezy is ok, if you update regulary, before it becomes stable - take care to use the real release name in apt/sources.list - because using 'stable' here could be a trap, when a new release becomes the new stable |
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| 18:31.11 | kephra | ... and of course also update regulary, after its stable - because of security updates ;-) |
| 18:31.32 | evert | I'm using the nouveau drivers for my nvidia 8800gt, but no direct rendering. I installed all the required dependencies, any tips? |
| 18:32.56 | kephra | evert, you likely want the non-free original nVidia driver, if you need 3d acceleration |
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| 18:33.51 | evert | kephra: i tried the nvidia blob, but it wasn't working great for '2d' (bad scrolling, ...) and I like to keep my system more open |
| 18:34.00 | kephra | from free software point of view both the nvidia and the ati driver are non-free shit - but nVidia at least manages to ship a stable OpenGL driver |
| 18:34.19 | evert | i know that nouveau should give me direct rendering, some games like xonotic might/should even work with nouveau :) |
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| 18:35.52 | evert | I even think before my nvidia experiment some time ago the nouveau direct rendering was working :( |
| 18:36.05 | zykotick9 | evert: do you have libgl1-mesa-dri installed? |
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| 18:36.38 | evert | zykotick9: yes |
| 18:37.07 | zykotick9 | evert: are you using squeeze or wheezy (or sid)? |
| 18:37.15 | kephra | iirc, the nvidia driver just silently overwrites on of the free opengl libs |
| 18:37.17 | evert | oh, sorry, using wheezy |
| 18:37.48 | evert | kephra: aha, how to solve? :) |
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| 18:38.08 | kephra | let me look at dpkg/info - perhaps I find the right file |
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| 18:42.06 | jhutchins | kephra: I didn't say removing the links - they're not files - from rc?.d was not enough, I said it wasn't the preferred method, nor was it necessary for all runlevels, just 2. |
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| 18:42.55 | Thald` | Hi |
| 18:43.27 | rotschopf | hey guys im trying to find the device node for a given string (part of device path eg sda1 or part of uuid), currently i'm using blkid and grep to do that, but blkid access the harddrive... which is bad cuz i want to turn it of if there was no activity in the meantime |
| 18:43.42 | rotschopf | are there any options/params? |
| 18:44.15 | jordanm | rotschopf, blkid keeps a cache in /etc/blkid.tab |
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| 18:44.44 | nick_h | `dpkg -l | grep skype` says that the package "skype" is installed. but "sudo aptitude purge skype" outputs "No packages will be installed, upgraded, or removed". how can i remove skype? |
| 18:44.50 | Thald` | I have received my new Laptop With UEFI capable and I wonder if they are any interest to boot using UEFI with a 500GB hard drive? |
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| 18:45.35 | rotschopf | but it somehow refrshs it every second or third call... |
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| 18:48.23 | kephra | evert, *sorry* cant find/remember it - try to purge every old nvidia package, and hope that this solves the problem |
| 18:48.54 | evert | kephra: if my mind is not playing tricks with me, i already had to purge all the nvidia packages to get nouveau back |
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| 18:49.43 | Guest79415 | how do i implement deep packet inspection on debian please? |
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| 18:50.50 | nick_h | Guest79415: have a look at wireshark or tcpdump |
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| 18:54.34 | Guest79415 | nick_h: Im looking for a more automated way, I dont want to define apps headers and all that |
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| 18:56.07 | xsappyx | Guest79415: what are you trying to do? |
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| 19:03.09 | xsappyx | Guest79415: more specifically, "Im looking for a more automated way".. what are you trying to do? l7-filter maybe? but without good info, cannot give good advice |
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| 19:04.51 | dagerik | i am using install cd and i went into rescue mode. why am i unable to mount /dev/sda2 folder? the error is 'cant find /dev/sda2 in /etc/fstab" |
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| 19:06.39 | jhutchins | I think Guest79415 thinks that "inspection" implies some sort of action to be taken depending on the results of that inspection, and he think's there's a "click here" way to do what he thinks he wants. |
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| 19:11.15 | TheWarden | okay, I'm beyond lost here. My GUI video is not working. Originally I had an error in /var/log/xOrg.0.log that stated "No devices detected" and "Fatal server error: No screens detected". After following steps in /msg dpkg nvidia dkms I no longer have those errors but now there is no errors that I see in the log |
| 19:11.21 | TheWarden | still no GUI working :-( |
| 19:12.17 | wols | TheWarden: what videocard? |
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| 19:13.07 | TheWarden | here is my xOrg.0.log, https://gist.github.com/021ad5100af07af82877 |
| 19:13.20 | TheWarden | wols: I have a GeForce 610M |
| 19:13.58 | wols | and which driver do you want to use? |
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| 19:14.41 | TheWarden | wols: Well to be honest I don't know I just want it to work lol. I was under the understanding that Nouveau would work but needed to be updated. So I was told to do these instructions /msg dpkg nvidia dkms. |
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| 19:14.47 | Guest41403 | what do you think is more efficient for text files? tar gz or bzip? |
| 19:15.36 | SerajewelKS | in irssi, how would i silence activity bells from one nick in particular? i still want to receive messages and have the activity show in the status bar, but i don't want a bell for activity from this nick. |
| 19:15.50 | TheWarden | wols: I would prefer to stick with the Debian solution if at all possible... I really don't want to go to non-free unless I have to. I'm not using major use of this video card. It's just playing audio/video full screen not doing 3D or anything like that. |
| 19:16.14 | wols | ,versions nvidia-glx |
| 19:16.15 | judd | Package: nvidia-glx on i386 -- lenny/non-free: 173.14.09-5; squeeze-proposed-updates/non-free: 195.36.31-6squeeze1; squeeze/non-free: 195.36.31-6squeeze2; squeeze-backports/non-free: 295.59-1~bpo60+1; squeeze-backports/non-free: 295.59-1~bpo60+2; sid/non-free: 304.64-4; wheezy/non-free: 304.64-4; experimental/non-free: 313.18-1 |
| 19:16.20 | SerajewelKS | google points me towards /ignore and activity_hide_targets, but neither do what i want |
| 19:16.38 | wols | TheWarden: you have a new nvidia card which didn't exist when squeeze was finalized. did your X ever work on this laptop? |
| 19:16.59 | wols | TheWarden: I suggest you run wheezy. there nouveau should support it out of the box |
| 19:17.18 | wols | TheWarden: but typically a GT610M notebook uses optimus. does yours use optimus? |
| 19:17.28 | wols | SerajewelKS: #irssi |
| 19:17.31 | LtL | SerajewelKS: try www.irssi.org for docuentation, should help. |
| 19:17.39 | TheWarden | wols: This is not a laptop but an Asus EeeBox PC. Yes it worked before we switched hardware. I had a Next-Generation NVIDIA® ION™(GT218-ION™) 512MB video card and that worked fine. |
| 19:17.40 | wols | Guest41403: most probably bzip2 |
| 19:17.55 | wols | TheWarden: that one is a 3 year old ancient one, yes |
| 19:17.58 | Guest41403 | wols: so bzip2 is superior to tar gz except that it is less available? |
| 19:18.00 | wols | TheWarden: so it never worked actually |
| 19:18.09 | wols | Guest41403: and needs more ressources |
| 19:18.20 | TheWarden | wols: Well Wheezy is not production ready yet. I need production ready use... as this is going out in the field. Also the system is all setup alredy on Squeeze just no video for X Window. |
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| 19:18.50 | wols | TheWarden: and you won't get it, not even with nvidia dkms. you MUST use a backport to make it work. and I dunno if there is a Xorg backport |
| 19:18.56 | TheWarden | wosl: optimus mmm not sure, this is the specs http://ca.asus.com/en/Eee/EeeBox_PC/EeeBox_PC_EB1033/#specifications |
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| 19:19.18 | wols | no optimus since it uses an Atom CPU |
| 19:19.21 | Guest41403 | wols: is the gain by using bzip2 worth the hassle? |
| 19:19.47 | TheWarden | wols: yes never worked with this video card that is. See the hard drive was cloned and an entirely new hardware was purchased and then discovered all was working expect for video via GUI. |
| 19:19.52 | wols | Guest41403: hassle how? any modern system should support it, especially any linux or any other system using GNU userland tools |
| 19:20.15 | wols | TheWarden: I know. I told you what you can do. and I still suggest wheezy. what is the intended work of this PC? |
| 19:20.18 | TheWarden | wosl: Yeah I thought backports might do the job but I was under the impress these instructions I got would do that. |
| 19:20.43 | Guest41403 | wols: so bzip2 should be used then |
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| 19:21.21 | TheWarden | wosl: Its instead to be used as a media player kiosk type system. Its given a play list to play and it plays that indefinite and looks for updates remotely updates the playlist and then continues that cycle using VLC and a bunch of scripting. |
| 19:21.27 | wols | TheWarden: try the xorg from backports. easiest solution |
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| 19:22.00 | TheWarden | wols: ahh I'll look into it, not sure exactly what to look for to be honest. I've never had to deal with video issues before. |
| 19:22.36 | sviz | its a shame wheezy is still test |
| 19:22.47 | wols | nothing to look into. with a new xorg you run it (without any xorg.conf) and it works or it doesn't |
| 19:22.49 | TheWarden | I've been trying to find instructions online but haven't found anything as of yet. |
| 19:22.56 | wols | instructions for what? |
| 19:23.00 | wols | !tell TheWarden about backports |
| 19:23.05 | sviz | squeeze shows its age |
| 19:23.17 | TheWarden | wols: oh your telling me to delete the xorg.conf file all together? |
| 19:23.32 | wols | yes. and uninstall all nvidia packages |
| 19:23.47 | wols | ,versions nvidia-glx |
| 19:23.48 | judd | Package: nvidia-glx on i386 -- lenny/non-free: 173.14.09-5; squeeze-proposed-updates/non-free: 195.36.31-6squeeze1; squeeze/non-free: 195.36.31-6squeeze2; squeeze-backports/non-free: 295.59-1~bpo60+1; squeeze-backports/non-free: 295.59-1~bpo60+2; sid/non-free: 304.64-4; wheezy/non-free: 304.64-4; experimental/non-free: 313.18-1 |
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| 19:24.01 | wols | TheWarden: will your kiosk system play HD content? |
| 19:24.13 | TheWarden | I have backports already in my sources.list just not aware of what to install. |
| 19:24.21 | wols | you install xorg |
| 19:24.45 | TheWarden | wols: its possible but really not necessary at this time. |
| 19:25.10 | wols | HD would only work via nvidia drivers, no other way |
| 19:25.21 | TheWarden | wols: okay so I remove xorg and then install xorg from backports. Mmm I find this odd solution being that all I need is an updated video driver. |
| 19:25.40 | TheWarden | wols: Oh okay, well I'll look into that later. For now I don't need it. |
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| 19:26.21 | ksdncv | wols what do you mean with that hd ? |
| 19:26.23 | wols | no, NOT remove xorg |
| 19:26.33 | wols | ksdncv: HD as in 1080p movies |
| 19:26.43 | ksdncv | resolution ? |
| 19:26.57 | wols | yes+ |
| 19:27.16 | wols | or does nouveau now video acceleration? |
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| 19:27.34 | ksdncv | last time checked only had 2D, but that was many years ago |
| 19:27.56 | TheWarden | I'll try doing apt-get -t squeeze-backports install xorg |
| 19:28.26 | TheWarden | Nouveau does handle some video acceleration from what I understand but I'm no expert on that. |
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| 19:29.53 | ksdncv | seems it has some 3d nowdays, but only for very old cards. Even mu current card which already is somewhat old isnt listed there |
| 19:30.43 | ksdncv | oh wait, naming scheme is a bit different, seems some not that old are included too |
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| 19:31.41 | TheWarden | when trying to install xorg from backports I got a message stating "You need to upgrade the kernel to 2.6.34-rc1 or newer". How is that done? Any resource online how to do this? |
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| 19:32.18 | wols | TheWarden: it supports unaccelerated video, but for no decoding support yet |
| 19:32.27 | wols | TheWarden: again, backports kernel |
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| 19:33.12 | TheWarden | wols: okay so then are you saying if I don't need that then I will be fine not updating the kernel? |
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| 19:33.47 | wols | don't need what? to run the Xorg from backports you need a newer kernel as the message clearly stated |
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| 19:35.21 | TheWarden | oh okay, I misunderstood you. Gotcha. |
| 19:35.47 | TheWarden | mmm I tried doing apt-get -t squeeze-backports install kernel and I get back "unable to locate package kernel". |
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| 19:39.03 | wols | TheWarden: http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=linux-image&searchon=names§ion=all&suite=squeeze-backports |
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| 19:39.57 | TheWarden | wols: yeah I just found this before you sent the link but so many choices. No clue what to use. searching online to try and find something to explain this process. |
| 19:40.27 | wols | the 686 one (you use debian 32bit, right?) |
| 19:40.50 | wols | how much RAM on these eeeboxes? |
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| 19:41.31 | TheWarden | yes 32-bit with 2GB of RAM |
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| 19:42.37 | wols | TheWarden: then get linux-image-2.6-686 |
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| 19:42.44 | wols | from backports |
| 19:43.07 | TheWarden | I presently have 2.6.32-5-686 #1 SMP Sun Sep 23 09:49:36 UTC 2012 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 19:43.25 | wols | and then you will have 3.2.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae |
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| 19:45.40 | jelly-home | wols: why not just install nvidia-glx from backports and keep the standard xorg version |
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| 19:46.28 | wols | cause I didn't know there was a nvidia in backports and he wants nouveau if possible |
| 19:47.06 | jelly-home | oh, nouveau |
| 19:47.08 | wols | jelly-home: and I'm not sure if a 295.x nvidia would work for kepler |
| 19:47.30 | jelly-home | it's the first one that does |
| 19:47.45 | TheWarden | oh this is would have been easier if I gone the route of nvidia-glx from backports? crap |
| 19:47.48 | wols | for all kepler GPUs? nvidia took about half a year to bring them out one by one |
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| 19:47.54 | jelly-home | not all. |
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| 19:48.25 | jelly-home | but GeForce 610M sounds oldish |
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| 19:48.34 | AFlyingMonkey | This is going to sound stupid but: is the octal permission value for read, write and execute for umask 0 or 7? |
| 19:48.39 | wols | GT610m came out Dec 2011 so it should be supported. It's a relabeled GT520M |
| 19:48.42 | TheWarden | I'm not sure on the age |
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| 19:48.49 | wols | AFlyingMonkey: 7 |
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| 19:49.05 | dawud | AFlyingMonkey: 7 |
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| 19:49.07 | AFlyingMonkey | I tried chmod 000 on a file and it removed all permissions yet this website leads me to beleive the opposite should haappen |
| 19:49.15 | AFlyingMonkey | thats what I figured |
| 19:49.19 | jelly-home | AFlyingMonkey: umask or chmod? |
| 19:49.34 | AFlyingMonkey | chmod |
| 19:49.41 | TheWarden | mmm so nvidia-glx could have done the job... oh boy |
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| 19:50.04 | jelly-home | umask is negative, so a mask of 7 _removes_ all permissions. using 7 with chmod gives all three. |
| 19:50.16 | AFlyingMonkey | was looking at this http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/understanding-linux-unix-umask-value-usage.html |
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| 19:56.12 | jonathanpoon | hi everyone...does anyone here have experience with SAS and SAS expanders? |
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| 19:56.57 | angs | I have a 3.4.0 kernel and debian leny works on it. I want to load ath9k_htc by default (modprobe ath9k_htc), is there any way to do it without writing a start up script? |
| 19:58.01 | zykotick9 | angs: /etc/modules might help |
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| 20:12.51 | ewook | Pickamoo. Any pointers on how to perform a step-by-step part on selecting what init-scripts to run at bootup? |
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| 20:13.33 | zykotick9 | ewook: just because #ubuntu doesn't have an answer, doesn't mean it's ok to ask in #debian. debian doesn't use upstart. |
| 20:13.48 | Towzzer | ewook, check chkconfig |
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| 20:13.56 | Towzzer | you can turn on and off scripts for each runlevel |
| 20:14.08 | zykotick9 | Towzzer: does that apply to upstart? |
| 20:14.22 | Towzzer | oh I'm sorry I only read his one sentence |
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| 20:14.48 | ewook | zykotick9: Just because you're in a bad mood and don't wanna explain how deb 6 works, don't go telling me to bugger off first thing :). |
| 20:15.04 | zykotick9 | Towzzer: ya, they didn't get the answer they where looking for in ubuntu |
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| 20:15.10 | ewook | Towzzer: still gives me some insight, thanks mate. |
| 20:16.49 | cardamon | Good morning guys. |
| 20:16.56 | TheWarden | lovely updating the xorg and kernel from backports didn't do anything different. Still now GUI and now back to getting "No devices detected" and "Fatal server error: no screens found" in /var/log/Xorg.0.log. |
| 20:17.04 | cardamon | ewook: It gives you the wrong insight. |
| 20:17.07 | TheWarden | still no gui I mean |
| 20:17.51 | ewook | cardamon: perhaps :). |
| 20:18.04 | cardamon | Not that that's Towzzer's fault. He was under a very understandable assumption, one that proved incorrect. |
| 20:18.20 | ewook | no blame given to anyone |
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| 20:19.06 | ewook | I did ask in here for the reason of how debian does it. |
| 20:19.09 | cardamon | Ubuntu uses Upstart. Debian uses SystemV. Others use systemd. What works for one does not work for the other, as more than the implementations differ. |
| 20:19.12 | ewook | so, tada. |
| 20:19.19 | ewook | cardamon: awesome, thanks! |
| 20:19.33 | ewook | Answers on questions not even given :). |
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| 20:20.15 | jordanm | cardamon, debian uses insserv |
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| 20:20.27 | jordanm | all the ones mentioned are compatible with sysv init scripts though |
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| 20:22.06 | cardamon | tips his hat to jordanm |
| 20:22.21 | cardamon | Thanks for correcting me. |
| 20:23.11 | ewook | jordanm: thank you plenty :). Haven't poked any of 'em yet - so just getting what is used where gives me more info. |
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| 20:28.10 | max999 | my laptop powers off (no shutdown, plain power off) and i cant figure out why. it seems to have a distro / kernel relation as it happened often on ubuntu 12.04 based distros, not 12.10 based ones, not on arch and not on debian - until today. i just did a 7z benchmark and stressed my cpu until it reached much more temp than it usually does, no problem. i didnt have this problem for several weeks to 1-2 months now so i thought it would n |
| 20:28.10 | max999 | ot happen on debian :l ram is fine, i checked with memtest86+. |
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| 20:29.22 | tgs3 | max999: try other kernel? |
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| 20:30.48 | max999 | tgs3, im on 3.2 now and it didnt happen yet over the last weeks. i just had it not on AC this afternoon until the battery was really low (almost dead) and put it to AC then. it was at about 30% loaded when it powered off. i think there is a relation, its on AC usually |
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| 20:31.49 | cardamon | Are there any basic packages needed to run binaries for a certain architecture? I've enabled multiarch and added i386 (of which I am certain) but have not yet installed any packages of the foreign flavor. However I've got a binary I'm trying to ldd to find out which ones I need. I've done it before on another machine, apparently after already getting whatever that baseline was. Here's what ldd should report eventually and here's wh |
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| 20:32.24 | jordanm | cardamon, your text was truncated |
| 20:32.38 | cardamon | jordanm: What was the last few words? |
| 20:32.46 | ctmjr | max999, you sure it is not over heating and shutting down |
| 20:32.52 | jordanm | and here's w |
| 20:33.32 | cardamon | ...and here's what it gives on the one that it can't execute. http://paste.debian.net/228690 What I expect to see is a list similar to the first with many of the libs not found. |
| 20:33.45 | max999 | ctmjr, that was my main theory too but i just did 30 7z benchmark threads and the cpu went up to 70° and it had no impact .. i could not bring it to more than 70 i even blocked the fan output .. it shuts down on random situations with not much load, like being on xchat and google |
| 20:33.51 | Ahti333 | i am currently installing debian on a server i'll use as nas in our home network. i might want to use some x forwarding in the future, should i choose to install graphical desktop environment during the installation process or is this not needed for x-forewarding |
| 20:34.20 | cardamon | Ahti333: You can always run the same tasksel later. |
| 20:34.43 | cardamon | Ahti333: X11 forwarding has always been prohibitively slow for me, however. |
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| 20:34.51 | cardamon | at least over ssh. |
| 20:35.00 | Ahti333 | do i even need the whole desktop environment for x-forwarding? |
| 20:35.15 | cardamon | You don't need a whole DE for anything. |
| 20:35.15 | jhutchins | Ahti333: No, you don't need the whole thing. |
| 20:35.28 | Ahti333 | ok then i'll skip it for now, thanks :) |
| 20:35.31 | jordanm | cardamon, what does `file nwmain` say? |
| 20:35.37 | cardamon | ...They're just nice to have sometimes, and pains in the ass for others. |
| 20:35.43 | jhutchins | Ahti333: A lot of grapical packages will want to install most of it, some are properly lean and don't. |
| 20:35.54 | jhutchins | Ahti333: Good choice. |
| 20:36.05 | cardamon | jordanm: http://paste.debian.net/228690/ |
| 20:36.17 | jhutchins | Ahti333: Will this be your first/only linux or debian system? |
| 20:36.32 | jordanm | cardamon, that's the same link again |
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| 20:37.03 | cardamon | ...sorry |
| 20:37.19 | cardamon | .nwn/nwmain: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked (uses shared libs), for GNU/Linux 2.2.5, stripped |
| 20:37.33 | cardamon | I got distracted by my overwelming desire for coffee. |
| 20:37.40 | cardamon | Dangerous stuff. |
| 20:37.58 | jhutchins | cardamon: I used to run kmail over ssh, read my mail on the netbook in front of the TV from my desktop upstairs. |
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| 20:38.19 | jhutchins | cardamon: Then the HD failed and I upgraded to squeeze and kde4 and kmail doesn't work any more. |
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| 20:38.43 | jordanm | cardamon, well, if anything is "base", it's going to be libc6:i386 |
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| 20:39.17 | cardamon | jordanm: I appreciate the input. Thanks. |
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| 20:39.52 | zerick | Hi guys, I have deleted a init.d script I've tried to regenerate it with update-rc.d but I got this error "update-rc.d /etc/init.d/myprog : file does not exist " |
| 20:40.39 | jordanm | zerick, update-rc.d adds/removes symlinks from /etc/init.d it can not "undelete" a file |
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| 20:41.41 | cardamon | I think I also need some nvidia packages as well. |
| 20:42.19 | jhutchins | zerick: You could reinstall the package. |
| 20:42.28 | zerick | jordanm: Ok, so, how could I restore that init script, I thought reinstalling the package it will regenerate automatically but it doesn't |
| 20:42.49 | jhutchins | !confmiss |
| 20:42.50 | dpkg | You have to especially tell the packaging system to reinstall config files because when they are gone, it is assumed that you want them to stay deleted. "aptitude -o DPkg::Options::='--force-confmiss' reinstall $packagename" will restore them (man dpkg for details). If the package uses <ucf> for config file management, ask me about <ucf confmiss>. |
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| 20:45.24 | zerick | jhutchins: I did it, but didn't work |
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| 20:47.32 | TheWarden | well this is mind blowing to me, I'm now at a stand still with this issue. I tried on another system with the same hardware doing a apt-get -t squeeze-backports install nvidia-glx and still no video and now no errors in Xorg.0.log. |
| 20:47.52 | Nach0z | yay graphics cards. |
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| 20:48.22 | TheWarden | so that solution doesn't work nor does installing xorg and latest kernel from backports to get video working. heck this card isn't that great its only just a GeForce 610M it should work. |
| 20:49.02 | cardamon | jordanm: That helped a lot. |
| 20:49.16 | TheWarden | I dunno what to look at next or what to do. maybe re-install the OS fresh but not sure that will make any difference. argh. |
| 20:49.32 | cardamon | TheWarden: maybe try nouveau? |
| 20:50.19 | TheWarden | cardamon: in all honesty I'm not sure how to do that.. I thought I tried that way already by doing backports of xorg and kernel. but I dunno. |
| 20:50.31 | cardamon | Hmm...Does apt-file search look at the contents of installed packages or the contents of the entire package system? |
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| 20:52.16 | zerick | Thanks dpkg !!! XD |
| 20:52.30 | petemc | cardamon: dpkg -S does installed files, apt-file searches all packages |
| 20:52.30 | cardamon | TheWarden: nouveau's a seperate package and installing it may require blacklisting nvidia (specifically referring to the nvidia proprietary driver). Most of the time nouveau gets installed by default and then xorg seems to run through a list of drivers to try (nv, nvidia, nouveau, in that order, usually). I'm not sure how it might differ in squeeze...I run wheezy. |
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| 20:52.50 | zerick | Actually, thanks jhutchins :) |
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| 20:54.08 | cardamon | Hmm. then why is apt-file -a i386 search libGL.so.1 not turning up anything while one without the arch option does just fine? I thought I understood it right...even updated the cache. |
| 20:54.32 | ctmjr | TheWarden, you need to edit the xorg file and change the driver from nvidia to vesa this will get you a gui a very slow one but a gui |
| 20:54.44 | tgs3 | max999: could be a hardware problem. other idea for hw problems where OS is the fault, try other os.. eg old livecds, and compare |
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| 20:57.41 | TheWarden | cardamon: oh well I would do that if I knew anything about it. I'll try to look up the package name and find something on how to blacklist nvidia. |
| 20:58.06 | TheWarden | ctmjr: yeah, I really need nvidia or nouveau vesa won't work for me. |
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| 20:58.10 | cardamon | TheWarden: https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers |
| 20:58.21 | TheWarden | ctmjr: let me rephrase that, vesa is not an option for me. |
| 20:58.39 | TheWarden | cardamon: oh man I'll look at that again.... |
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| 20:59.50 | TheWarden | okay how about this, where do I go to find out what video cards are supported by say nouveau and what version it is? As I'm sure each version of Nouveau supports different video cards. |
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| 21:01.14 | ompaul | TheWarden: is your card over 12 months since initial manufacture? |
| 21:01.27 | ompaul | I don't mean machine but version available |
| 21:01.30 | TheWarden | in my xorg.conf file I found Driver "nouveau", VendorName "nVidia Corporation" BoardName "GT218 [ION]". |
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| 21:01.39 | TheWarden | interesting as I have a GeForce 610M video card. |
| 21:01.52 | TheWarden | or I should say video chip as there is no card by itself. |
| 21:02.11 | ompaul | no, it's the core of the chip see you have a brand, that is a chip reply to the question what are you |
| 21:02.38 | TheWarden | ompaul: I have no idea, not sure how to find that out. I was told in here by someone that it was release in Dec 2011 and GeForce 610M is just releabled from GT520M apparently but never found a way to verify this. |
| 21:03.18 | TheWarden | oh well the specs stated we are to have a GeForce 610M with 515 MB of video RAM. |
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| 21:03.57 | TheWarden | mmmm |
| 21:04.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | hmmm |
| 21:04.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | :P |
| 21:04.22 | ompaul | 2009 design time |
| 21:04.36 | ompaul | or at least release to market |
| 21:04.48 | dimaursu16 | hello |
| 21:04.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | is there really no "don't overwrite" for scp? |
| 21:05.04 | dimaursu16 | guys, how hard is to make a kind of "spin" from debian? |
| 21:05.06 | ompaul | CutMeOwnThroat: never found one - interested if you find one |
| 21:05.18 | dimaursu16 | I'm especially interested in making one from debian-edu |
| 21:05.19 | ompaul | dimaursu16: look at the live cd |
| 21:05.24 | ompaul | !edu |
| 21:05.28 | mtn | dimaursu16: must be easy, eveyone in the world has done it |
| 21:05.30 | ompaul | !live |
| 21:05.30 | dpkg | The Debian Live project provides pre-built Debian live system images and allows creation of your own. These can be used to install a Debian system. Live images are available from http://www.debian.org/CD/live/ . http://live.debian.net/ #debian-live on irc.debian.org. |
| 21:05.32 | dimaursu16 | how would that help? looking at it? |
| 21:05.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | ompaul, I actually always took that for granted... first time I wonder: why. it's been there for cp for ages |
| 21:05.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | rsync could do something like it... still not the same |
| 21:05.57 | ompaul | CutMeOwnThroat: cos ssh has no way to know what the far end shell sees? |
| 21:06.07 | ompaul | can I write yes or no is the question aiui |
| 21:06.12 | dimaursu16 | ok...reading time :) |
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| 21:06.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | ompaul, not before you connect. afterwards, of course it can know if it's overwriting a file and could, if not ask, just print a warning and skip that file |
| 21:06.51 | ompaul | TheWarden: seems to be that you can just use noveau after that - if you are chasing big performance I think you won't get it looking at the geforce page on wikipedia |
| 21:07.15 | ompaul | CutMeOwnThroat: it is possible to do that, but the way I understand it is built that is not the way |
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| 21:07.27 | ompaul | CutMeOwnThroat: if you find something let me know, I'm off out |
| 21:07.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | ok |
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| 21:07.59 | TheWarden | ompaul: yeah it appears nouveau is being used according to xorg.conf yet no video still. I dunno what will make it work or what is really broken. |
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| 21:08.19 | dimaursu16 | so...my plan is to use debian edu to make a .iso with free-pascal and romanian translation by default |
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| 21:08.56 | ompaul | !nvidia |
| 21:08.57 | dpkg | http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers . Ask me about <nouveau> (open source driver) or <nvidia dkms> (proprietary driver). For GPUs made before 2004, ask me about <nvidia legacy>. Installing directly from nvidia.com (i.e. with <nvidia-installer>) is _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia on irc.freenode.net. |
| 21:09.05 | dimaursu16 | and..should I clone those git repos? |
| 21:09.16 | ompaul | TheWarden: ^^^ read that in detail before you declare nouveau out of the game |
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| 21:10.32 | TheWarden | ompaul: I am, so far nothing has worked. re-trying things and seeing what I can do. If I understood this it would help but hell I don't even know if the driver supports this video chip in the first place. |
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| 21:38.14 | dimaursu16 | so...now I'm confused... which of those git repositories should be used? |
| 21:38.24 | dimaursu16 | is there a wiki page? |
| 21:38.33 | dimaursu16 | a tutorial/introduction? |
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| 21:47.54 | adb | dimaursu16, tried #debian-edu on oftc.net ? si #debian-ro tot pe oftc ... |
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| 21:49.57 | dimaursu16 | adb, why the heck are people using that network? |
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| 21:50.03 | dimaursu16 | but fine, I'll go there :) |
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| 21:56.44 | antiface | Hi. I'm trying to find the proper debian channel on IRC to ask a question.. not sure this is the place.. |
| 21:57.02 | antiface | Don't want to waste anyone's time, it's very low priority. |
| 21:57.31 | alfplayer | antiface: you can try |
| 21:58.52 | antiface | I run Ubuntu Quantal (12.10) and a problematic package I am told was inherited from Debian.. I'm not sure who to talk to, I'm new to this.. |
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| 21:59.05 | antiface | The bug has been reported on the proper Ubuntu pages.. |
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| 22:01.02 | alfplayer | antiface: what kind of problem? |
| 22:01.10 | antiface | I think I just found a channel that might help. It's an audio problem. |
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| 22:01.22 | antiface | JACK-related... |
| 22:01.31 | cardamon | and pulseaudio I bet. |
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| 22:02.00 | cardamon | But keep being vague. That'll help. |
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| 22:03.24 | antiface | There's not point in my describe the problem at length if I am in the wrong IRC channel. |
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| 22:06.08 | cardamon | iceweasel/firefox seems to like autocorrecting URL entries in the locations bar starting with h to p. It's rather annoying when I try to type hulu.com and get pulu.com |
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| 22:16.02 | gry | hi. i am getting http://paste.debian.net/228719/ after i installed libxml2 and libxml2-dev. what package am i missing? |
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| 22:17.22 | MarGarina | gry: I'd check the exact error in config.log, towards the bottom |
| 22:18.16 | MarGarina | gry: also, apt-get build-dep <package you try to compile> installs all dependencies for building the equivalent debian package, sometimes helpful. |
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| 22:19.54 | KjetilK | I'm installing wheezy, and I'm having trouble with firmware |
| 22:20.15 | KjetilK | It says I need iwlwifi-6000-4.ucode |
| 22:20.32 | KjetilK | I insert a USB stick with the following: |
| 22:20.37 | KjetilK | firmware.tar.gz iwlwifi-6000-4.ucode iwlwifi-6000-ucode-9.221.4.1.tgz |
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| 22:20.55 | KjetilK | I'd think that one of them would be what it is looking for |
| 22:21.16 | KjetilK | but I'm not seeing any errors, it is just asking again for it |
| 22:21.44 | KjetilK | what am I doing wrong? |
| 22:21.47 | archetech | I have deb 6 on a intel P3 is there a firmware file I should load to help with hardware not found messages at boot? |
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| 22:22.09 | mmnicolas | what is the messag |
| 22:22.46 | archetech | Im away from that box atm |
| 22:23.00 | archetech | Im asking in general |
| 22:23.25 | mmnicolas | yes |
| 22:23.45 | mmnicolas | sometimes its just not supported yet |
| 22:24.27 | mmnicolas | typically firmware-realtek is what will be missing |
| 22:24.34 | wols | archetech: there are various firmware files, depending on your hardware |
| 22:24.53 | archetech | its a asus cusl2 mbrd |
| 22:25.05 | archetech | with intel 815 chipset |
| 22:25.20 | archetech | 12 yres old |
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| 22:25.43 | mmnicolas | then, probably yes. |
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| 22:26.44 | cardamon | mmnicolas: firmware-ralink too. It's because they're in non-free or contrib, which is not enabled out of the box. |
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| 22:27.22 | cardamon | archetech: I get those too. I ignore them, as the realtek ethernet interface works just fine without said firmware. |
| 22:27.40 | cardamon | With wireless ralink on the other hand, not so much. |
| 22:28.01 | cardamon | Which is why I always wire up for installs. |
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| 22:28.38 | archetech | I use an intel e100 it works fine |
| 22:28.54 | archetech | running w 512mb and lxde |
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| 22:30.13 | archetech | kinda cool to be able to use such old hardware with debian |
| 22:30.33 | cardamon | I don't know crap about your crap. Sorry. lspci -nn | grep [Nn]etwork and then ask judd about the pciid (the stuff in the brackets) |
| 22:30.51 | ceil | grep -i network is shorter :p |
| 22:30.56 | archetech | I installed win 95-98 -nt4 but the browser is unusable from ie4/5 days |
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| 22:31.06 | ceil | (those two keystrokes could save a life!) |
| 22:31.27 | cardamon | ceil: Yes, but even simple regex is a good skill to have. |
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| 22:31.47 | ceil | cardamon: no need in using a multitool when a hammer will suffice though :p |
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| 22:33.33 | cardamon | ceil: Less of a multitool and more of a highly efficient if logarithmically arcane (as in the learning curve) platform for mounting other tools |
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| 22:34.42 | ceil | 'arcane' is right |
| 22:34.51 | ceil | need Wizard-level intel to use the bloody thing :p |
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| 22:35.18 | cardamon | ceil: Or an elementary understanding of automata. |
| 22:35.58 | ceil | i've seen perl scripts. regex can get a bit deeper than 'elementary' :p |
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| 22:36.26 | ceil | i'm talking about full understanding of regular expressions, not basic 'find the caps' |
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| 22:37.01 | cardamon | Which is why I'm talking about a field of cs that includes regular languages. |
| 22:37.12 | cardamon | And state machines. |
| 22:37.33 | cardamon | You want hard, look at grammars. |
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| 22:37.56 | cardamon | I'm still trying to learn this $#$* |
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| 22:39.00 | gry | MarGarina: I'm trying to install a Perl module from CPAN, so build-dep it probably not an option :) what I pasted is all I get in build.log, where is config.log?. |
| 22:39.56 | cardamon | Anyone got a clue how to fix it so iceweasel doesn't replace h with p when it's the first entered character in the URL field? |
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| 22:41.55 | youlysses | So, I'm not really a GNOME user... but I'm curious, since 3.8 seems to be fairly dependent on systemd, are there currently any plans to get support in the default distribution? :-P |
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| 22:42.52 | gry | youlysses: sorry? i thought it's possible to install systemd in debian if you like? |
| 22:44.13 | youlysses | gry: Well, you can. But the default spin does not offer this right? Is it really so easy to replace an init-system, that you can replace in live via the install medium? Maybe one could bootstrap in some fashion. :-P |
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| 22:44.44 | gry | i think it might be as easy as installing another package in apt-get and removing the old one |
| 22:45.09 | gry | i have no idea though, i never tried |
| 22:45.13 | youlysses | gry: That'd be nice... :-I |
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| 22:45.35 | gry | http://wiki.debian.org/systemd#Installation |
| 22:45.43 | smw | gry, you would need to force removal of the other one |
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| 22:46.09 | smw | but aren't most of the new features in systemd dependent on other packages supporting it? |
| 22:46.42 | smw | doesn't it parallelize boot, but need hints on what can be parallelized? |
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| 22:46.55 | gry | i think you mean http://wiki.debian.org/systemd#Issue_.231:_sysvinit_vs._systemd-sysv issue, but yes, this wiki page shows me what difficulties you're talking about |
| 22:47.01 | smw | That makes it next to useless unless all of debian accepts it |
| 22:47.16 | youlysses | Doesn't look horribly hard to replace the current system, with systemd (though currently midly limited). |
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| 22:48.12 | youlysses | smw: Tmu, systemd in-general is Linux focused. |
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| 22:48.30 | smw | tmu? |
| 22:48.39 | smw | youlysses, and what does that mean? |
| 22:48.46 | youlysses | To-my-understanding. |
| 22:48.57 | smw | systemd is linux focused? |
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| 22:49.15 | jordanm | systemd uses linux-specific kernel features with no interest in porting |
| 22:49.42 | jordanm | upstart also uses linux-specific kernel features, but they are willing to allow a port if someone else does the work |
| 22:49.45 | smw | so, not debian hurd and kfreebsd would be hurt? |
| 22:49.56 | jordanm | yes, it would not work with those ports |
| 22:50.09 | youlysses | jordanm: Some of that is probably because it's being funded mainly by Redhat, I believe. |
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| 22:50.43 | Arrowmaster | didnt one of them not support archs other than x86/amd64? |
| 22:50.59 | smw | Arrowmaster, I doubt it |
| 22:51.07 | smw | Arrowmaster, ubuntu and fedora both run on arm |
| 22:51.20 | youlysses | Arrowmaster: That might be upstart, but with Cannonical's new mobile focus... if that was, I doubt it's no-longer the case. |
| 22:51.55 | Arrowmaster | yeah thats what im thinking, few years ago ubuntu was practically droping their arm support it was so neglected |
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| 22:54.00 | youlysses | I know that systemd never really advertised (originally) about a speed boost, but I really don't notice anything big difference, tbh. :-P |
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| 22:54.39 | smw | youlysses, the speed boost requires systemd init scripts |
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| 22:55.44 | youlysses | smw: Well, assuming Fedora 18 has support on start-up ... still not impressed. If not, then why is this seemingly pimped so much? :-P |
| 22:56.21 | smw | youlysses, not sure, but fedora's multiseat stuff (which uses systemd) looks quite awesome |
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| 23:03.18 | ChibaPet | Hey all. Got a new box here, and it's not finding ethernet. lspci says "Ethernet controller: Atheros Communications Device 1083 (rev c0)" and the Interewbs say that's the atl1c driver, but that's not making it happy. Any thoughts? |
| 23:06.39 | ChibaPet | Oh, never mind. There's a manual step. |
| 23:06.48 | ChibaPet | "echo "1969 1083" > /sys/bus/pci/drivers/atl1c/new_id " |
| 23:06.53 | ChibaPet | and it's recognized |
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| 23:09.48 | mmnicolas | wow, thats a nice feature |
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| 23:11.49 | blackspark | Looking to mount a floppy under wheezy (kernel 3.2.0-4-686-pae) and the device node is not present in /dev. dmesg states "Floppy drive(s): fd0 is 1.44M" |
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| 23:12.08 | blackspark | Also states that no floppy controllers are found |
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| 23:13.09 | blackspark | It is not a USB floppy drive |
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| 23:13.33 | slixz85 | sup everybody. about to do a debain net install. just wanted to know what all i needed to do the most basic minimal install possible with only lxde |
| 23:14.28 | slixz85 | what is the standard system option? |
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| 23:15.01 | garotosopa | How do you keep track of packages installed by build-dep so you can uninstall them later? Would you say it'd be a good idea if it automatically created a metapackage depending on the build-dep packages for this purpose? |
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| 23:15.43 | incruiser | hello guys! |
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| 23:17.24 | slixz85 | hello in |
| 23:17.26 | slixz85 | incruiser, |
| 23:17.34 | smw | are there debian testing net install cds? |
| 23:18.00 | slixz85 | smw, i am workin to do a net install myself. there should be on the page now. i will help u look |
| 23:18.16 | incruiser | dudes, anyone knows if there some issue to upgrade from stable to testing? |
| 23:18.58 | garotosopa | smw: isn't it this one? http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
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| 23:19.56 | smw | garotosopa, perhaps, it looks good |
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| 23:23.26 | Cyclohexane | is it safe to stop named+samba? |
| 23:23.42 | smw | Cyclohexane, safe? |
| 23:23.53 | smw | Cyclohexane, neither of those are needed for the computer to function |
| 23:24.13 | smw | Cyclohexane, but you won't be able to serve dns requests or windows shares |
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| 23:24.58 | Cyclohexane | smw: when you say windows shares? what do you mean |
| 23:25.21 | smw | Cyclohexane, read what samba is for |
| 23:26.16 | Cyclohexane | smw: I did, what's it saying Windows FTP clients will seize to work or what? |
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| 23:27.19 | smw | Cyclohexane, no, ftp will still work, but windows file sharing (another protocol) won't |
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