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| 00:02.22 | royalty | hello I get this error Module build for the currently running kernel was skipped since the kernel source for this kernel does not seem to be installed. when installing the ndiswrapper-dkms package |
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| 00:02.49 | royalty | I am installing dkms -i packagename.deb |
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| 00:02.55 | royalty | well using that method |
| 00:02.56 | royalty | I meant |
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| 00:06.28 | royalty | i give up I'm going to swtich to fedora |
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| 00:07.28 | Shu | "Your system is missing the Crypt::SSLeay or IO::Socket::SSL Perl modules! at ./modulemanager line 35" - What do I need to install? |
| 00:07.33 | themill | and did you install the kernel headers as suggested? |
| 00:07.38 | Shu | I assume there's a perl SSL module, but I can't find the name |
| 00:07.50 | royalty | themill: yeah |
| 00:08.07 | royalty | themill: i can reinstall them if you think that will help... |
| 00:08.10 | themill | Shu: libio-socket-ssl-perl |
| 00:08.30 | AFlyingMonkey | is there a different root password for PAM or something? |
| 00:08.52 | Shu | themill, Thanks! |
| 00:09.07 | themill | royalty: the full output in a pastebin along with "apt-cache policy linux-image-$(uname -r) linux-headers-$(uname -r); apt-cache policy" would be a good start |
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| 00:09.37 | royalty | themill: that would be a huge pain in the butt my debian machine isn't connected to the internet |
| 00:09.41 | AFlyingMonkey | I accidentally mis chsh'd and now my default shell for root is "bash" (not "/bin/bash") now when I try to su root via putty I get the error "Cannot execute bash: no such file or directory" |
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| 00:10.12 | themill | AFlyingMonkey: can you log in as some other user? |
| 00:10.13 | royalty | themill: hence why I am installing all these packages somewhat unorthodoxly |
| 00:10.18 | AFlyingMonkey | so I logged in via a serial terminal however when I try to chsh I am prompted for the root password and no matter what I enter it wont work |
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| 00:10.31 | themill | royalty: what headers package did you install? |
| 00:10.35 | royalty | themill: to try to get the usb working with ndiswrapper |
| 00:11.42 | royalty | themill: I just downloaded the packages off here http://wiki.debian.org/NdisWrapper#ndis the ndiswrapper-utils-1.9 and wireless-tools |
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| 00:12.12 | royalty | themill: then I tried installing ndiswrapper-dkms and it gives me that error |
| 00:12.21 | themill | royalty: that doesn't answer my question at all |
| 00:12.35 | royalty | themill: what is a headers package? |
| 00:12.58 | themill | royalty: the one that you said you had installed earlier but didn't help.... linux-image-$(uname -r) |
| 00:12.59 | AFlyingMonkey | I get the error: "chsh: PAM authentication failure" |
| 00:13.18 | royalty | themill: I thought it would since it says on the website Install the relevant linux-headers, |
| 00:13.30 | themill | royalty: and did you install them? |
| 00:13.36 | royalty | yeah |
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| 00:13.55 | AFlyingMonkey | however su'ing to another user then back to root again works (im assuming it authenticates correctly because Im now getting the bash error again: "Cannot execute bash: no such file or directory" |
| 00:14.05 | royalty | themill: you want me to run that command linux-image-$(uname - r? |
| 00:14.15 | themill | royalty: precisely what packages did you install? |
| 00:14.32 | dondelelcaro | AFlyingMonkey: so if you're root, just edit /etc/passwd using vipw |
| 00:14.34 | royalty | themill: it is a long list hold on let me pastebin everything |
| 00:15.08 | dondelelcaro | AFlyingMonkey: and you can specify the shell to invoke with su using -s |
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| 00:19.09 | AFlyingMonkey | something is fubared |
| 00:19.24 | AFlyingMonkey | what does "CAn now unjustify" mean in nano xD |
| 00:19.38 | AFlyingMonkey | for sopme reason nano is removing newlines in the passwd |
| 00:19.53 | royalty | themill: http://pastebin.com/5SJSayw4 |
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| 00:20.05 | AFlyingMonkey | and when I try to readd them the cursor is moved to the end pf the file and then I get the message "Can now unjustify" |
| 00:20.37 | themill | royalty: what's the output of "uname -r" there? |
| 00:21.07 | royalty | themill: 2.6.32-5-amd64 |
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| 00:21.54 | jebb | Im trying to compile a kernel for booting a pxe client for imaging and i just seem to get an error on my debian 6 machine |
| 00:22.58 | themill | royalty: so the wiki said you needed a kernel headers package that's not in your list -- you need to download and install the "linux-headers-2.6.32-5-amd64 linux-headers-2.6.32-5-common linux-kbuild-2.6.32 gcc-4.3 gcc-4.3-base" packages. gcc may well actually require more packages beyond that. |
| 00:23.15 | themill | royalty: are you sure you can't just plug this thing in for 5 minutes to get it working? |
| 00:24.04 | royalty | themill: no lol that would be a big pain, moving everything and such but I will try all those packages you recommended |
| 00:24.17 | royalty | themill: thanks for all your time |
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| 00:24.45 | themill | (I didn't realise anything really used ndiswrapper still) |
| 00:25.18 | royalty | yeah these broadcom drivers are a pain in the butt |
| 00:25.40 | phix | people still use ndiswrapper? |
| 00:25.54 | phix | you should throw that hardware device in the bin and buy another one with native linux support :) |
| 00:26.15 | royalty | haha i know that now |
| 00:26.23 | royalty | I def will next time i go out to purchase one |
| 00:26.25 | phix | arethos or intel chips are the best :) |
| 00:26.28 | royalty | but I have to work with what I have for now |
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| 00:30.13 | mmnicolas | Say I want to bootstrap a disk, put it in a laptop with a cracked display, then continue the install over ssh or something, is there a tool for that ? |
| 00:30.43 | frienz | Plug into monitor... |
| 00:31.04 | mmnicolas | yea, strangely this laptop will the output anything unless there is a graphical display apparently |
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| 00:31.21 | mmnicolas | I even tried unplugging the display, still doesnt treat the hdmi output as primary |
| 00:31.44 | mmnicolas | *will not |
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| 00:32.22 | mmnicolas | usually in console you have some sort of mirrored output |
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| 00:34.05 | LV-426 | mmnicolas, see this http://blog.remoteresponder.net/2011/03/23/debian-squeeze-60-installation-over-ssh/ |
| 00:34.38 | LV-426 | you'll still need to execute the initial steps on the broken display... |
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| 00:35.03 | mmnicolas | that's awesome, I can't see anything on the display but with theses screenshots I'll be able to do it blindly |
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| 00:35.52 | mmnicolas | or preseed them at worse |
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| 00:55.08 | roboman2444 | hey guys, you gotta up libc to a non 2011 version... |
| 00:56.24 | alkul | guesses... steam. |
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| 01:12.13 | Rodrigoo | Hello everyone |
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| 01:13.18 | CurtisJackson | am i a loser? I droped a class and no i am only taking 15 credits i was taking18 credits =( |
| 01:14.11 | Rodrigoo | Hey guys, does someone knows when Debian wheezy will be released to stable? |
| 01:14.36 | allorder | when its ready |
| 01:15.07 | mentor | CurtisJackson: Debian queries only please |
| 01:16.41 | mentor | Rodrigoo: You could also check the current release critical bug count |
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| 01:17.33 | Rodrigoo | mentor, how can I do it? |
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| 01:19.54 | roboman2444 | i can grab the libc 2.16 from the eperimental repo, but that breaks locales |
| 01:20.01 | roboman2444 | which breaks practically everything |
| 01:20.32 | AFlyingMonkey | thats the first time ive ever seen a troll on irc |
| 01:20.42 | AFlyingMonkey | must not be spending enough time here :p |
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| 01:20.55 | roboman2444 | AFlyingMonkey, i need a more up to date libc... (at least 2.15) |
| 01:21.17 | AFlyingMonkey | not you that curtisjackson dude |
| 01:21.30 | AFlyingMonkey | Im a linux noob and a debian noob you really dont want my help |
| 01:21.48 | mentor | roboman2444: "breaks"? |
| 01:22.03 | roboman2444 | mentor, it forces an uninstall of locales |
| 01:22.16 | roboman2444 | which basically makes everything i try to run... not run |
| 01:22.21 | mentor | roboman2444: Get the locales from experimental as well :) |
| 01:22.32 | mentor | roboman2444: You know about apt pinning? |
| 01:22.34 | roboman2444 | mentor, shouldnt they have automatically done that? |
| 01:22.40 | roboman2444 | i use -t experimental |
| 01:22.46 | mentor | roboman2444: It depends what |
| 01:23.26 | mentor | I'm not sure that will satisfy dependencies from experimental |
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| 01:24.49 | roboman2444 | well locales seems to be the only one it complains about |
| 01:24.55 | roboman2444 | so i will try installing both at same time |
| 01:25.16 | mentor | I'm pretty sure there are one or two others |
| 01:25.28 | mentor | roboman2444: I'm sure you'll find otu |
| 01:25.42 | roboman2444 | dunno |
| 01:25.45 | roboman2444 | trying it now |
| 01:26.35 | roboman2444 | seriously though... shouldnt libc at least 15 be in unstable or testing by now? |
| 01:27.29 | themill | roboman2444: no. unstable contains stuff that is ready to release -- especially libraries like libc won't change in unstable until after wheezy releases |
| 01:29.27 | themill | roboman2444: btw you'd be getting "locales" from experimental too, then (check what source package it is from) |
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| 01:30.38 | benji_ | where can I configure SO_REUSEADDR ? |
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| 01:33.01 | roboman2444 | themill, did apt-get install -t experimental libc6 locales and it worked |
| 01:33.34 | mentor | benji_: That looks like a socket option |
| 01:34.02 | benji_ | yeah, is there a way to tell if it is activated or not by default? |
| 01:34.59 | mentor | benji_: I doubt it |
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| 01:35.11 | mentor | benji_: Otherwise, there would not be a socket option for it |
| 01:37.27 | mentor | benji_: man 7 socket seems to suggest that no socket options are on by default |
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| 01:38.41 | benji_ | mentor: many thanks |
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| 01:53.22 | katharma_ | http://www.neobux.com/?r=katharma Make money online guaranteed |
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| 01:54.00 | Tramp | !ops katharma_ spamming |
| 01:54.01 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: tramp complains about: katharma_ spamming |
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| 01:54.49 | themill | thanks, Tramp |
| 01:54.56 | Tramp | yw |
| 01:55.11 | yazdmich | i know this is probably the wrong channel, but anyone know how to get SuperOneClick working properly with mono? i've chmod +x's every file associated and it just hangs at "waiting for device" |
| 01:55.40 | yazdmich | #android-root is useless, "eww, why are you trying to root froyo?" etc etc |
| 01:56.31 | yazdmich | s/'s/'d/ |
| 01:58.09 | yazdmich | anyone? |
| 01:58.15 | cardamon | yazdmich: We're gonna be useless too. Those aren't debian related. |
| 01:58.27 | cardamon | Not that I'm not sympathetic. |
| 01:58.39 | cardamon | I've got my own Android frustrations with mtp. |
| 01:58.50 | yazdmich | i went by the instructions on an ubuntu blocg |
| 01:59.04 | cardamon | Yeah, we're not Ubuntu either. |
| 01:59.12 | yazdmich | make a custom udev rule, chmod +x required files, etc |
| 01:59.18 | yazdmich | blog* |
| 01:59.19 | cardamon | Nor have we necessarily read the blogs. |
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| 01:59.48 | yazdmich | i would try #ubuntu, but afraid they would say "sorry, youre on Debian" |
| 01:59.52 | yazdmich | you're* |
| 02:02.30 | cardamon | Try the xda forum for your device. |
| 02:03.07 | yazdmich | im betting it would be pretty much dead |
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| 02:03.11 | yazdmich | galaxy 551 |
| 02:03.33 | yazdmich | a shitty little phone |
| 02:05.27 | yazdmich | yeah, not even listed |
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| 02:23.38 | Miesco_ | Why the fuck does pastebininit use pastebin.com by default |
| 02:23.56 | renm0 | what it be peeps |
| 02:24.11 | Miesco_ | Whats a better pastebin program |
| 02:24.18 | Miesco_ | in the repo |
| 02:24.23 | renm0 | how is everyone this evening |
| 02:24.35 | gnarface | Miesco_: i don't think there is one, but you may be able to point pastebinit at paste.debian.net actually |
| 02:24.55 | Miesco_ | gnarface: You cant |
| 02:25.13 | gnarface | Miesco_: oh, well if you find one that you can, please let me know too |
| 02:26.20 | LtL | Miesco_: /msg dpkg pastebinit config |
| 02:26.21 | themill | feel free to configure pastebinnit. More reading and less swearing might help |
| 02:26.39 | gry | themill++ |
| 02:26.42 | gry | :) |
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| 02:26.56 | LtL | Miesco_: its simple, two minutes. quit bitchin. |
| 02:26.59 | renm0 | or a combination of both |
| 02:27.06 | gry | using another pastebin is totally not a reaso to _make_ a new program |
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| 02:28.20 | Miesco_ | thanks! |
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| 02:30.53 | Miesco_ | shawn@server:~$ echo hi | pastebinit |
| 02:30.55 | Miesco_ | http://paste.debian.net/ |
| 02:31.03 | Miesco_ | Is it supposed to do that? |
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| 02:33.09 | LtL | Miesco_: yes |
| 02:33.25 | LtL | Miesco_: use a file, and not echo |
| 02:33.34 | Miesco_ | LtL: It says it can take from stdin |
| 02:34.59 | LtL | Miesco_: my pastebinit works, i tried echo hi | pastebinit .. same result. don't use stdin, pipe output from elsewhere |
| 02:35.26 | Miesco_ | LtL: Well then wouldn't it not work? |
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| 02:37.20 | LtL | Miesco_: you can cat file, dmesg, any other output work, echo apparently not. |
| 02:37.34 | Miesco_ | LtL: I need to use stdin because in vim I do: :w !pastebinit - | toirssi |
| 02:37.35 | renm0 | good ol' pastebin |
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| 02:39.39 | LtL | Miesco_: I don't think pastebinit can handle that. |
| 02:40.42 | Miesco_ | echo -e "hello\n" | pastebinit |
| 02:40.44 | Miesco_ | that works |
| 02:41.00 | Miesco_ | LtL: It did before |
| 02:41.32 | LtL | Miesco_: i though the question was to use a *different* pastebin. |
| 02:42.01 | Miesco_ | LtL: No, I figured out how to configure pastebinit :D |
| 02:42.18 | LtL | Miesco_: my mistake |
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| 02:43.44 | Miesco_ | http://paste.debian.net/228795/ |
| 02:43.46 | Miesco_ | echo -e 'hello\n' | pastebinit | toirssi |
| 02:43.58 | Miesco_ | The link is the result of the above |
| 02:46.27 | Miesco_ | k I think its working thanks |
| 02:47.05 | mentor | xclip is the standard utility |
| 02:47.23 | mentor | Never mind |
| 02:50.21 | gnarface | Miesco: so pastebinit *does* in fact have the capability that I originally suggested? good to hear... |
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| 02:55.03 | alusion | what's up with the debian install page, I can't connect to any of the installers |
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| 02:55.25 | alusion | I need a copy of wheezy64bit CD |
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| 02:56.43 | cardamon | alusion: http://lmgtfy.com/?q=debian+wheezy+amd64+install#seen |
| 02:56.46 | Miesco | Does pastebinit do this for anyone else? |
| 02:56.47 | Miesco | shawn@server:~$ pastebinit -i test |
| 02:56.48 | Miesco | http://paste.debian.net/ |
| 02:56.50 | piukeman_ | Hi, I need a bit of help. I installed iRedmail… but my goal it ´s to download the ISP mail to each local user in the server. Any help or ideas where to start |
| 02:56.53 | cardamon | alusion: First link. |
| 02:56.54 | Miesco | test contains: hello |
| 02:57.04 | gry | . |
| 02:57.24 | gry | checks |
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| 02:58.08 | alusion | It's not just you! http://cdimage.debian.org looks down from here. |
| 02:58.13 | alusion | ;\ |
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| 02:59.24 | mentor | piukeman_: Traditionally that's done using fetchmail |
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| 03:01.28 | piukeman_ | mentor: do I need a fetchconfig file for each user? where I have to put the config file? |
| 03:01.51 | piukeman_ | I do not unerstand very well fetchmail, can any explains a bit about it? |
| 03:01.52 | mentor | Well it depends |
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| 03:02.25 | mentor | But you probably want to run a single as a privileged user |
| 03:03.29 | royalty | guys you know what would be cool as a feature on those debian website pages where you can manually download debian packages |
| 03:04.04 | royalty | if you had the option of downloading a package with all the package it depends on as well |
| 03:04.12 | royalty | packages* |
| 03:04.12 | piukeman_ | and can I stored in the config file the info (user, pass, pop3server…etc) for more than one user? |
| 03:04.24 | gry | Miesco: see http://ircbots.debian.net/factoids/factoid.php?key=pastebinit+config |
| 03:04.54 | mentor | piukeman_: yes |
| 03:05.11 | Miesco | pastebinit rocks! |
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| 03:05.17 | piukeman_ | mentor I get it….thanks a lot :-) |
| 03:05.21 | alusion | the downloads page for all of debian is down.. |
| 03:05.39 | gry | although i just did that and it behaves the same way you described |
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| 03:06.43 | royalty | alusion: yeah I noticed that too, it sucks especially since I need to get the packages for the debian network manager |
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| 03:06.58 | royalty | so i can finally finish dealing with setting up this wireless device |
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| 03:07.43 | gry | ah, i was testing on one line, heh ( http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=614072 ), that factoid is all right :) |
| 03:07.48 | renm0 | royalty: it works great on my laptop.. |
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| 03:12.19 | mentor | piukeman_: fetchmail might not be the best tool for the job, of course. I don't know |
| 03:13.02 | piukeman_ | Ok , I will search a bit more. |
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| 04:02.40 | piukeman_ | I am getting this erro from my fetch config log ….any ideas why? |
| 04:02.42 | piukeman_ | fetchmail: Connection errors for this poll: |
| 04:02.42 | piukeman_ | name 0: connection to localhost:smtp [::1/25] failed: Connection refused. |
| 04:02.43 | piukeman_ | fetchmail: SMTP connect to localhost failed |
| 04:02.53 | mmnicolas | cdimage.debian.org is down :( |
| 04:03.18 | mmnicolas | can't seem to find any mirror with unofficial images with firmware |
| 04:03.35 | mmnicolas | anyone aware of any ? |
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| 04:13.42 | youlysses | mmnicolas: [http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/] |
| 04:14.29 | youlysses | mmnicolas: Note that this is unfree software though, if you're ok with that. |
| 04:14.55 | mmnicolas | I know, that's exactly what I want, but that's not the problem |
| 04:14.59 | mmnicolas | the host is down |
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| 04:16.33 | youlysses | Oh, excuse me then. |
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| 04:57.07 | mmnicolas | ah! finally founda mirror mirroring the unofficial stuff |
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| 05:03.30 | a_b0y | is debian the most compatible computer architecture distro? |
| 05:04.05 | mmnicolas | a_b0y: Erroneous question, please reformulate |
| 05:04.39 | a_b0y | which distro has the most ports |
| 05:05.26 | mmnicolas | Debian is not an architecture and if there is such a thing as an architecture distro it would be a distro with shipping with CAD software |
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| 05:05.42 | mmnicolas | a_b0y: but yes, Debian supports a lot of architectures |
| 05:05.58 | a_b0y | cool |
| 05:06.15 | a_b0y | which port can i use for a tablet |
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| 05:07.14 | mmnicolas | probably armhf, armel or even amd64 in some cases |
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| 05:14.32 | cantido | most tablets will be armhf (the exception being Tegra 2 IIRC)... but I doubt you actually want debian on a tablet |
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| 05:17.33 | cardamon | I think I'd like to make sure it gets sent to places like /usr/local/bin instead of /usr/bin when applicable, but I'm not sure about where to send it or which file to look in before running make install |
| 05:18.22 | cardamon | I'm not trying to be cryptic...there's just a dozen files and I'm not sure where to look. But I can tell you what I'm building. kio-slave for KDE on my wheezy box. |
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| 06:16.20 | bocaneri | !! |
| 06:16.22 | dpkg | I'm not your csh prompt! |
| 06:16.42 | bocaneri | Eh, shut ya shiny metal piehole, dpkg. |
| 06:18.04 | LtL | dpkg: shush |
| 06:18.05 | dpkg | Fine, I'll shut up. |
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| 07:42.06 | boudiccas | is it possible to have xmonad working on a LXDE desktop situation? |
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| 08:10.29 | mmnicolas | its highly likely |
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| 08:13.18 | pigeta | hi |
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| 08:13.49 | pigeta | gusy have a problem after upgrade debian from lenny to squeeze |
| 08:14.19 | pigeta | after a while squeeze don't accept more any commands |
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| 08:14.55 | pigeta | windows are blocked like all buttons |
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| 08:15.09 | mmnicolas | hardware failure |
| 08:15.30 | pigeta | keyboard seem dont work ,mouse go around the desktop |
| 08:15.38 | pigeta | but no click |
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| 08:16.04 | pigeta | what could be? |
| 08:16.22 | mmnicolas | check temperatures |
| 08:16.31 | pigeta | temperatures? |
| 08:16.40 | pigeta | wait |
| 08:16.58 | pigeta | i can go in this debian by ssh |
| 08:18.01 | pigeta | temperature is ok seems |
| 08:18.05 | pigeta | Intel(R) Celeron(R) CPU 1.80GHz |
| 08:18.06 | mmnicolas | check the process list, anything wrong ? |
| 08:18.16 | pigeta | mean top? |
| 08:18.34 | mmnicolas | or whatever the tool |
| 08:18.38 | pigeta | mean with command top |
| 08:19.41 | mmnicolas | you sure everything about the cooling is fine ? |
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| 08:20.10 | pigeta | http://pastebin.com/YDbVnQAF |
| 08:20.41 | pigeta | y |
| 08:20.56 | pigeta | to check i have to install lm-sensor right? |
| 08:20.57 | mmnicolas | it happens after a while, how long ? |
| 08:21.04 | mmnicolas | pigeta: yea |
| 08:22.08 | pigeta | after i used desktop manager like open multiple windows open a torrent ecc |
| 08:22.36 | pigeta | if i wait a while between an operation and another seems it go |
| 08:23.04 | pigeta | i try with gnome ,xfce,blackbox always blocked |
| 08:23.15 | pigeta | seem like a problem of debian |
| 08:24.22 | mmnicolas | also check dmesg for errors |
| 08:24.44 | mmnicolas | and your harddrive smart status, with smartctl -a /dev/sdXX |
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| 08:25.56 | pigeta | ok now i have to go check later tnx |
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| 08:27.47 | Boohbah | i am having trouble loading cdimage.debian.org |
| 08:28.41 | mmnicolas | Boohbah: yes, its down |
| 08:28.54 | Boohbah | mmnicolas: ok, thanks |
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| 08:29.56 | mmnicolas | there are mirrors for that tough |
| 08:30.34 | mmnicolas | http://ftp.free.org/mirrors/cdimage.debian.org/cdimage-unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/ |
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| 09:12.04 | przemek | hello Dears does anyone know what that raid 3ware 9750 log errors output means? http://pastebin.com/Sx0zqi8A |
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| 09:13.31 | mmnicolas | przemek: controller is busted |
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| 09:14.44 | przemek | mmnicolas: hello Sir what do you mean by ,,busted,, ?? |
| 09:15.13 | mmnicolas | as in hardware failure |
| 09:15.37 | przemek | are you sure? |
| 09:15.51 | mmnicolas | I am not, of course |
| 09:15.54 | przemek | :) |
| 09:16.35 | mmnicolas | any recent software/hardware change ? |
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| 09:17.27 | przemek | mmnicolas: this is bonnie++ output http://pastebin.com/qyaRyL9X , i got centos 5.5 ,maybe i need to update my raid controler? |
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| 09:18.26 | przemek | mmnicolas: i didn't change any hardware on my serverce since 2011 |
| 09:18.30 | mmnicolas | did this "just happened like that" ? |
| 09:18.32 | przemek | server* |
| 09:18.49 | przemek | mmnicolas: yes , |
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| 09:19.14 | mmnicolas | then the hardware changed, became defective |
| 09:19.47 | mmnicolas | makes a lot of sense, why would things break just like that |
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| 09:21.13 | przemek | mmnicolas: ok thanks for your help, |
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| 09:35.45 | anddam | hi, I'm using RAID1 and I need to mount rootfs, I've rebooted with a rescue disk and now I want to: a) mount root fs b) change root password |
| 09:36.37 | anddam | this is a hosted server, in web panel I see IO: md1 and sda1, sdb1 mounted as first partition |
| 09:36.54 | anddam | I have to mount md1 device, not sda1, right? |
| 09:37.09 | anddam | http://d.pr/i/KQMz+ |
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| 09:37.26 | anddam | I mean it seems obvious but I prefer to ask for confirmation |
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| 09:38.15 | blubberdiblub | yes, if you have a raid array md1 that consists of sda1 and sdb1, you always mount /dev/md1, never /dev/sda1 nor /dev/sdb1 |
| 09:38.58 | anddam | the two sd?1 are mirrored, what if I try to edit only one? (just out of curiosity, I'm not going to do that) |
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| 09:39.21 | anddam | "sd?1" as in wildcard-ed device name |
| 09:39.21 | blubberdiblub | as soon as you fiddle around with one of /dev/sda1 or /dev/sdb1 individually, you make the array inconsistent. that's bad and may result in file system corruption |
| 09:39.28 | anddam | way to go |
| 09:39.30 | anddam | thanks |
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| 09:41.00 | blubberdiblub | i should say: will most certainly result in file system corruption |
| 09:41.52 | nevyn | I wish we had better controls around those cases in our ecosystem |
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| 09:42.03 | anddam | I'll say: I won't do that |
| 09:42.07 | nevyn | same as multipath |
| 09:42.30 | anddam | thanks |
| 09:42.53 | nevyn | d-m is awesome but exposing the components can have undesirable consequences |
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| 09:43.12 | anddam | I just set up my first (serious) public server, so now I'm gooing to shut down every service |
| 09:43.29 | anddam | nevyn: debian-multimedia? |
| 09:43.39 | nevyn | device-mapper |
| 09:43.50 | nevyn | so if you have a non-trivial storage configuration |
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| 09:44.51 | nevyn | the bits inside that configuraiton are still addressable even when you shouldn't be using them |
| 09:45.20 | nevyn | so if you have 2 big spinning rust disks and a ssd... |
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| 09:46.13 | nevyn | and you do deraded raid5 onf the rust and then accelerate that with flashcache and use mulitpathd with a prefered path for flashcache failure |
| 09:46.34 | nevyn | you can still mount the raw /dev/sdx and make a mess |
| 09:46.39 | nevyn | or format it. |
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| 09:52.20 | gele | quick question: what's the name of that program that listens for new X windows and sets wm hints on them when they appear, to use with window managers that don't allow that sort of configuration themselves? i can't seem to find the correct search terms. i think it had a guile-like configuration file. |
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| 09:53.59 | gele | so you can configure, for example, all iceweasel windows to appear on a certain workspace, all rhythmbox windows to be sticky and so on. |
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| 09:56.52 | anddam | ingenous question: since I'm stopping all services but sshd and httpd, would firewall rules provide any increased level of security? |
| 09:57.27 | anddam | I read a lot of frenzy for "use a firewall" but since I'm only going to provide two services what would I be blocking with the wall? |
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| 09:59.49 | nevyn | anddam: data leakage. |
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| 10:00.24 | nevyn | in particular. a firewall can make it more difficult to find out what services are running |
| 10:00.37 | anddam | I'll have to google that |
| 10:00.48 | nkuttler | anddam: security comes in layers, so yes |
| 10:00.54 | anddam | ok, but I don't see the advantage in my case |
| 10:01.19 | nevyn | so if nothing is listening on a port a system will say so. |
| 10:01.20 | psiklops | Hi. I want to get a USB-Joystick. Must i build a custom Kernel to get my Joystick reconized ? |
| 10:01.22 | anddam | again, this may be an utterly ingenuous topic |
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| 10:01.30 | psiklops | get = buy |
| 10:01.45 | anddam | nevyn: the usual "filtered" when I run nmap on a host |
| 10:01.57 | anddam | rather "listening" |
| 10:02.01 | nevyn | no. |
| 10:02.13 | nkuttler | anddam: not at all. assume somebody malicious gets a user account. can't run unauthorized services |
| 10:02.19 | nevyn | that too. |
| 10:02.29 | gele | anddam: there's no downside to blocking all other ports, and it's trivial to do so with a couple of iptables lines. |
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| 10:02.52 | nkuttler | anddam: of can't download the rootkit if the firewall blocks outgoing traffic |
| 10:02.53 | anddam | the "won't harm" I can understand |
| 10:02.59 | nevyn | anddam: drop vs reject |
| 10:03.07 | nkuttler | s/of/or/ |
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| 10:03.23 | anddam | nkuttler: how would httpd work in that case? |
| 10:03.39 | gele | web servers usually do not have any outgoing connections. |
| 10:03.41 | nkuttler | anddam: ah well, incoming vs outgoing.. |
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| 10:04.41 | anddam | gele: like the sockets are all bound by listen()|bind() ? (my networking is a bit rusty) |
| 10:05.37 | gele | gele: for example. |
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| 10:05.46 | gele | anddam: for example. |
| 10:06.25 | anddam | thanks all, different topic: I know the basis of how email works (what's SMTP, what are MTA and MUA roles) but I never actually configured a public server. Can you suggest a guide about that, eventually debian oriented? |
| 10:06.41 | anddam | s/email/email service/ |
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| 10:07.43 | nkuttler | anddam: /usr/share/doc/exim4-base/ |
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| 10:10.56 | elnegro | hi, have a question: i've updated to wheezy from lenny (had some minor issues, but solved them), kernel installed after update was 2.6.x wanted to try 3.0, so installed linux-image-3.2, the problem is that at certian point while booting, the console mode is changed and turns black (no cursor, no anything), the system is active because i can login and emit reboot command |
| 10:11.25 | elnegro | (i configured the system to boot to text mode, no gdm/xdm/kdm/etc) |
| 10:11.31 | elnegro | any suggestions? |
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| 10:11.55 | elnegro | correction: from lenny=from squeeze |
| 10:12.43 | elnegro | correction: linux-3.2=linux-3.0.2 |
| 10:12.48 | mmnicolas | elnegro: disable KMS |
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| 10:13.31 | mmnicolas | boot with "nomodeset" |
| 10:15.28 | anddam | thanks again |
| 10:15.56 | anddam | nkuttler: is exim4 debian's default MTA? |
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| 10:16.06 | elnegro | thanks, i'll try that, thanks |
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| 10:17.03 | mmnicolas | anddam: it is |
| 10:17.16 | anddam | mmnicolas: right, I had just found this " Exim 4 is currently the default MTA on Debian GNU/Linux systems." |
| 10:17.19 | anddam | on wikipedia |
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| 10:18.41 | fredl | hi guys, for some reason my mouse behaviour seems to have change. When I highlight some text in a terminal now, I can't simply press the middle mouse button anymore to paste but I have to go into the pulldown, select 'copy', then select 'past' where I want it. Any idea how I can change this? |
| 10:19.06 | Cobra_Laser | use ctrl-v |
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| 10:19.17 | Cobra_Laser | or ctrl+shift-v |
| 10:19.20 | wulfe | ctr |
| 10:19.24 | wulfe | n/m |
| 10:19.25 | fredl | yeah I know that but that's not how it used to work before. |
| 10:19.35 | mmnicolas | yea, you used to have two clipboards |
| 10:19.36 | wulfe | was about to say + shift for terminals |
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| 10:19.54 | mmnicolas | what DE is this |
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| 10:20.01 | Boohbah | hi, anyone got an nvidia driver working on a 3.8-rc kernel? |
| 10:20.02 | fredl | I used to be able to select-only with the mouse and then middle mouse button to paste. |
| 10:20.57 | fredl | and I wouldn't have a clue where I have accidentally changed that behaviour |
| 10:21.12 | mmnicolas | what DE is this |
| 10:21.19 | fredl | I've been looking in the system settings, terminal settings etc. |
| 10:21.22 | fredl | DE? |
| 10:22.10 | mmnicolas | Gnome 2, Gnome 3, Kde 4 ? Xfce ? |
| 10:22.38 | fredl | oh, sorry I did't realize you were asking me :) Gnome 3 |
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| 11:04.17 | tockitj_ | after building a program, how to install it and make sure that it can be removed cleanly later on ? |
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| 11:09.31 | athena | hello |
| 11:09.38 | athena | i have a bcm4311 network controller ... can anyone help me load the right modules for this device |
| 11:09.45 | athena | 05:00.0 Network controller: Broadcom Corporation BCM4311 802.11b/g WLAN (rev 01) |
| 11:09.59 | athena | i am on debian wheezy and i have followed the instructions on http://wiki.debian.org/wl#Wheezy but my wifi card is just not recognized could anyone help me please ? |
| 11:10.43 | dgriffi | athena: did you install the nonfree firmware package? |
| 11:11.20 | athena | dgriffi, edit sources list ... to get non free packages if thats what you mean |
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| 11:12.20 | dgriffi | athena: see http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=firmware-linux-nonfree |
| 11:13.08 | dgriffi | athena: better: http://packages.debian.org/wheezy/firmware-linux-nonfree |
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| 11:13.39 | dgriffi | athena: download the deb and install it with "dpkg -i foo.deb" and you should be okay |
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| 11:14.08 | athena | can i use synaptic ? |
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| 11:14.43 | dgriffi | athena: I don't use it... if it can throw a .deb file at it, yes. |
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| 11:16.01 | athena | Setting up firmware-linux-nonfree (0.36+wheezy.1) ... |
| 11:16.02 | athena | update-initramfs: deferring update (trigger activated) |
| 11:16.02 | athena | Processing triggers for initramfs-tools ... |
| 11:16.02 | athena | update-initramfs: Generating /boot/initrd.img-3.2.0-4-686-pae |
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| 11:16.18 | athena | sorry |
| 11:16.21 | athena | now what ? |
| 11:17.04 | athena | ? |
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| 11:21.52 | athena | ? |
| 11:22.06 | dgriffi | athena: now try the wifi |
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| 11:22.51 | athena | root@wheezy:/etc# iwconfig |
| 11:22.51 | athena | lo no wireless extensions.eth0 no wireless extensions. |
| 11:23.37 | dgriffi | what do you see with "ifconfig -a" |
| 11:23.53 | athena | just 2 devices |
| 11:23.59 | athena | lo and eth0 |
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| 11:24.19 | athena | do i have to reboot |
| 11:24.23 | athena | ? |
| 11:24.39 | dgriffi | wouldn't hurt |
| 11:24.47 | athena | is it the new kernel wheezy uses ? |
| 11:24.50 | gnarface | !bcm4311 |
| 11:24.51 | dpkg | b43 is a driver supporting PCI/PCI-E wireless LAN devices with Broadcom chips, part of the Linux kernel. Firmware is required, ask me about <b43-fwcutter> to provide. 802.11b-only devices and BCM4306 rev 2 are instead supported by <b43legacy>. For BCM4313/4321/4322/43224/43225 (802.11n) device support, ask me about <brcm80211>, <wl>. http://wiki.debian.org/bcm43xx #bcm-users on irc.freenode.net. |
| 11:25.04 | athena | Linux wheezy 3.2.0-4-686-pae #1 SMP Debian 3.2.35-2 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 11:25.16 | athena | http://wiki.debian.org/wl#Wheezy |
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| 11:25.40 | gnarface | athena: check the info node the bot dumped just above, especially that wiki entry |
| 11:26.15 | athena | i have but i can't solve my problem |
| 11:26.39 | gnarface | well for whatever its worth, statistics suggest its user error |
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| 11:27.04 | gnarface | but statistics also suggest that's one of the two worst wifi cards to pick if you're new to wifi in linux |
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| 11:27.24 | gnarface | they should work fine but everyone has a problem getting them working because they're tweaky and require all kinds of non-standard bolt on |
| 11:27.44 | gnarface | so you shouldn't blame yourself, but you should double check your work, PEDANTICALLY |
| 11:27.54 | gnarface | and the docs |
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| 11:28.21 | bolt | step 1: check supported wifi cards for your distribution |
| 11:28.27 | bolt | step 2: buy card |
| 11:28.30 | bolt | DO NOT REVERSE |
| 11:28.45 | gnarface | athena: and if you're using WPA encryption, also make sure you have the wpasupplicant package installed |
| 11:28.58 | gnarface | ohath |
| 11:29.07 | gnarface | he left already |
| 11:29.20 | gnarface | can't save em all i guess |
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| 11:37.49 | jacklk | Hello, I have Debian installed on my desktop but it has no network card, is there a way to update it? I have another working computer with internet, and a USB stick. Is it possible to download anything? |
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| 11:38.37 | dgriffi | jacklk: yes, but it will be painful |
| 11:38.55 | jacklk | dgriffi: why? |
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| 11:39.05 | p0g0 | much less painful to cobble up some kind of network connection. |
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| 11:39.56 | dgriffi | jacklk: is there some way you can score a network card? what slots do you have to work with? |
| 11:39.57 | p0g0 | jacklk: the update is an iterative process, sorting thru dependancies...it is hard to predict just what files to put on the USB stick- you'll need to make several passes probably. |
| 11:39.59 | jacklk | I suppose it's best to move my desktop near the router and use LAN then? |
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| 11:40.25 | p0g0 | jacklk: That is what I would do. |
| 11:40.25 | dgriffi | jacklk: get some longer cables |
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| 11:40.37 | jacklk | dgriffi: Nah I want to do it today |
| 11:40.50 | jacklk | Okay, it will be a pain.. but nevermind :) |
| 11:41.11 | dgriffi | jacklk: in that case, I'd move the computer. plan to get some cable soon |
| 11:41.47 | gnarface | jacklk: you could simply pull the harddrive and plug it into a machine that DOES have a network connection. if said machine isn't running TOO different of a kernel and said install isn't TOO old you could theoretically update it mounted in a chroot |
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| 11:42.21 | jacklk | gnarface: I'm using a harddrive as a USB stick... |
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| 11:42.39 | gnarface | jacklk: you mean you're using a USB stick as a harddrive? |
| 11:43.08 | jacklk | yes |
| 11:43.08 | p0g0 | he might have a USB to SATA/PATA cable |
| 11:43.12 | p0g0 | ah |
| 11:43.15 | ikonia | jacklk: you are telling lies |
| 11:43.17 | ikonia | jacklk: you are running ubuntu not debian |
| 11:43.21 | ikonia | 11:34 < jacklk> Hello, I have Ubuntu installed on my desktop but it has no |
| 11:43.29 | gnarface | jacklk: i don't see how that is a barrier ... that should make it easier |
| 11:43.31 | gnarface | GASP! |
| 11:43.36 | gnarface | liar liar pants on fire!!!! |
| 11:43.39 | ikonia | you got banned from #ubuntu - and came here to now lie to the #debian team |
| 11:44.07 | jacklk | I came here for help, and ubuntu is based on Debian |
| 11:44.15 | ikonia | you are telling lies |
| 11:44.19 | jacklk | this isn't directly Ubuntu related anyway |
| 11:44.20 | ikonia | you have not installed debian - you have installed ubuntu |
| 11:44.42 | ikonia | then you should have told the truth |
| 11:44.58 | ikonia | I'll leave it to the #debian team to deal with, now they know you are telling lies |
| 11:45.04 | jacklk | if I told the truth I know I wouldn't get help |
| 11:45.30 | gnarface | jacklk: ubuntu has all kinds of problems that debian doesn't have, including a clueless user base and maintainer base... you're mistaking symptoms for causes and causes for symptoms |
| 11:45.58 | gnarface | jacklk: how could you come into a situation under a false pretense and expect to get an accurate result? when does that ever work in your life? |
| 11:46.08 | jacklk | ikonia: thanks for ruining everything, and leaving me stuck |
| 11:46.20 | jacklk | I will have to ask somewhere else |
| 11:46.28 | gnarface | jacklk: how about you tell us what you're REALLY trying to do and i'll tell you what you don't want to hear. |
| 11:46.39 | gnarface | (the real way to do it, and succeed) |
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| 11:46.53 | jacklk | Hello, I have Ubuntu installed on my desktop but it has no network card, is there a way to update it? I have another working computer with internet, and a USB stick. Is it possible to download anything? |
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| 11:47.41 | gnarface | jacklk: NOPE! but you can install debian easy that way, and update it easy later. having chosen debian back then would have kept you from being painted into this corner right now. :) |
| 11:48.28 | jacklk | hmm, I might just screw Ubuntu anyway and install Debian |
| 11:48.41 | gnarface | jacklk: (if only because i'd know how to help you if it were debian. believe it or not, this part is NOT "non-distro-specific" info because ubuntu does all kinds of different stuff with their repos and we don't pay attention) |
| 11:49.21 | jacklk | gnarface: what are some good reasons to choose Debian over Ubuntu? |
| 11:49.51 | gnarface | jacklk: the packages are older. older means quality. |
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| 11:50.29 | jacklk | How old though? |
| 11:50.30 | gnarface | jacklk: also, the user base is nerdier. nerdier means more people will have clever answers for your bizarre problems like "how do i update a networked operating system without a network?" |
| 11:50.37 | dgriffi | jacklk: less likely to force crap on people (like with whatever that gnome3 ubuntu thing is) |
| 11:50.54 | dgriffi | gnarface: IP over bongo drums |
| 11:51.08 | gnarface | jacklk: really old. old enough that you'll shit yourself if you're paying attention. i suggest you deal with old version fear like fear of heights; simply don't look down. |
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| 11:52.39 | gnarface | jacklk: oh yea. as dgriffi notes, importantly, the *fundamental* difference between Ubuntu and Debian is that Ubuntu is run by a for-profit company and is loaded with spyware. Debian is run by a not-for-profit non-corporate legal entity, and only installs spyware if you ask really nicely |
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| 11:54.37 | jacklk | Spyware isn't included with Ubuntu :) |
| 11:55.11 | gnarface | jacklk: it is now, actually. you've been misled. |
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| 11:55.32 | gnarface | jacklk: i *believe* you can disable *much* of it easily, but some of it is integral |
| 11:55.44 | gnarface | its *all* on by default |
| 11:55.52 | gnarface | *NOTHING* in debian is "on by default" |
| 11:56.55 | jacklk | but it is good spyware? |
| 11:57.59 | gnarface | i think it depends largely on how much of your browsing and shopping demographic info you want Canonical to have for only the price of beta-testing their shitty Debian knock-off for them... |
| 11:58.05 | gnarface | but that's just my opinion |
| 11:58.43 | gnarface | if you love giving them your info for free AND beta-testing their broken-ass shit as payment... hey man, free world |
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| 12:01.16 | gnarface | jacklk: i won't lie to you. Debian will be harder to learn; but if you're at the point where your problem is "how do i update a linux install on an un-networked computer" I think you've already outgrown Ubuntu and are simply held back from graduating to Debian by a combination of self-deception and laziness |
| 12:01.55 | gnarface | jacklk: Ubuntu is for people who can afford to just run more network cable, really |
| 12:01.59 | jacklk | correct, but I'm not sure how to learn |
| 12:02.30 | gnarface | know when you see a big ugly piece of documentation and you cringe from it and think "no way am i reading that" and just go in search of a second opinion? you gotta stop doing that |
| 12:02.34 | jacklk | I want to learn to use Debian though |
| 12:02.39 | nevyn | apt-walkabout for really offline things. |
| 12:02.44 | wakd | jacklk: why do you want/need to update? |
| 12:03.01 | jacklk | wakd: so I have an up to date system |
| 12:03.16 | wakd | jacklk: why do you want/need an up to date system? |
| 12:03.36 | gnarface | waka: so he can have all the shiny new shit |
| 12:03.38 | jacklk | because it makes me feel better :P |
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| 12:04.03 | gnarface | jacklk: you know what ELSE will make you feel better? a live ethernet cable drop |
| 12:04.07 | wakd | jacklk: just asking so we can advise you better :) |
| 12:04.14 | jacklk | I mean, as in up to date from the distro's repositorys, I'm not saying I like new software |
| 12:04.44 | jacklk | well, I like fairly new software not super old |
| 12:04.58 | gnarface | alright kids, time for me to go play starcraft before i get gagged for going off topic |
| 12:04.59 | dgriffi | jacklk: so run the Testing branch |
| 12:05.26 | wakd | jacklk: is there any specific new software in particular you need/want/use? |
| 12:05.32 | jacklk | dgriffi: it's unstable |
| 12:05.36 | jacklk | wakd: not at all |
| 12:05.46 | dgriffi | jacklk: not really |
| 12:06.00 | jacklk | I just think it's best to have newer packages |
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| 12:08.25 | bool | I want to make an Pre-invoke and Post-invoke for apt in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/ to remount /tmp as writeable when updating the system. The files in the directory are numbered 00 - 99, what number should i give mine? |
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| 12:25.06 | n8w | hey guys |
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| 12:25.45 | n8w | is there any way to install python 2.7 on lenny? |
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| 12:26.41 | blackjack | hy how to resize partition root |
| 12:26.44 | blackjack | can help my |
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| 12:27.39 | _pala_ | n8w maybe you can compile it for yourself |
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| 12:28.46 | jelly-home | blackjack: it has to be done while the disk is not in use... if you only have one HDD, use something like the gparted livecd. |
| 12:29.09 | blackjack | if there is no problem, resize the root partition |
| 12:29.11 | n8w | _pala_: k, so its not possible to get it in a standard way via aptitude? |
| 12:29.13 | pinkbits | n8w: you could use virtualenv |
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| 12:30.50 | n8w | pinkbits: aight, i will look at it...thx |
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| 12:30.59 | jelly-home | blackjack: http://gparted.sourceforge.net/livecd.php |
| 12:31.12 | _pala_ | n8w: I don't think you will find it in the official debian repos nor in backports |
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| 12:32.01 | _pala_ | n8w: But download the source from python.org then configure ; make ; make install, and you can download modules through pip after that |
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| 12:33.21 | pinkbits | n8w: I followed this guide a while back to install python in a virtualenv http://lamsonproject.org/docs/deploying_lamson.html |
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| 12:34.23 | pinkbits | n8w: the whole guide show hows to install lamson, going about half way should get you setup replace the python verion with the one you want |
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| 12:50.25 | n8w | _pala_: ok great,thx...i came across this solution before,but i did wonder whether there is another way of doin it. |
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| 12:52.36 | awc737 | i just switched a win8 laptop to debian, how do I switch right click from double-tap to literal right click? |
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| 12:57.56 | awc737 | ? |
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| 13:00.54 | bolt | awc737: probably a setting in whichever desktop environment you're using, unless it's your xorg.conf file |
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| 13:01.39 | awc737 | bolt, Gnome 3, but the Gui settings are very very limited, and xorg.conf doesn't exist, nor xorg.conf.d/synaptics.conf |
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| 13:02.15 | awc737 | also, I tried installing everything suggested, xserver-xorg-input-multitouch, gpointing-device-settings, etc |
| 13:02.50 | bolt | http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/3.3/mouse-touchpad-click.html.en |
| 13:03.02 | bolt | also, #gnome |
| 13:03.19 | bolt | gnome's settings are hardly debian specific, so asking in there is likely a good idea |
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| 13:03.46 | awc737 | yes those are the limited settings |
| 13:04.03 | awc737 | so I don't know if I am unable to have a literal right click, or if they seriously just forgot to put a config for that |
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| 13:14.16 | _martin | hello |
| 13:14.25 | _martin | i got a apt-get dpkg error conflict |
| 13:15.09 | _martin | http://paste.debian.net/228927/ apt-get -f install |
| 13:15.16 | _martin | I can't reinstall apache |
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| 13:15.26 | themill | sarge!? |
| 13:15.30 | jelly-home | _martin: wow, that's an old debian |
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| 13:16.03 | _martin | Yes, its a netgear readynas duo which mixes sarge, lenny and negear packages |
| 13:16.17 | jelly-home | /o\ |
| 13:16.43 | jelly-home | would a "contact your vendor" answer be acceptable |
| 13:16.50 | _martin | no :/ |
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| 13:17.03 | jelly-home | "reinstall from scratch?" |
| 13:17.24 | _martin | I got here a vm where the system is installed correctly http://paste.debian.net/228928/ |
| 13:17.42 | _martin | I want to copy the apache files to my system so that apache will work |
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| 13:18.28 | themill | _martin: you'll note that they are different versions of the apache packages in those two pastes |
| 13:18.36 | jelly-home | _martin: well... where did you get the .deb packages for that vm? |
| 13:18.36 | _martin | Is there a way to create a copie of the apache2 2.2.6-2.netgear2 package btw. to create a .deb file |
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| 13:19.01 | _martin | http://www.readynas.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=35&t=30963 |
| 13:19.43 | _martin | btw. there is in /etc/apt/source.list deb http://www.readynas.com/packages readynas/ |
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| 13:20.40 | jelly-home | _martin: what does "apt-cache policy apache2-common apache2.2-common" say? |
| 13:20.45 | _martin | themill yes i noted that, I tried to reinstall the apache2 on my system because I needed the apache2-dev package for compiling some stuff |
| 13:21.08 | _martin | which results in removing some apache2 netgeare packages which results that apache2 isn't working anymore |
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| 13:22.42 | _martin | http://paste.debian.net/228930/ jelly-home |
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| 13:24.36 | jelly-home | _martin: I see, and policy for apache2-dev apache2-prefork-dev? |
| 13:24.42 | _martin | the easiest way would be to copy all apache2 files from the vm to running readynas, but I dont know where this apache2 files are located. So I think the best way would be to get all apache .deb packages and extract them on the readynas |
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| 13:25.29 | _martin | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:25.32 | _martin | sry |
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| 13:25.36 | _martin | http://paste.debian.net/228931/ |
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| 13:25.56 | jelly-home | so install the latter, instead |
| 13:27.17 | _martin | what you mean exactly? |
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| 13:27.37 | jelly-home | install apache packages from readynas own repo instead of those from sarge |
| 13:27.51 | _martin | ah yes I tried that |
| 13:28.05 | jelly-home | that means apache2-mpm-prefork and apache2-prefork-dev |
| 13:28.06 | _martin | I uncommented the sarge repo source from source.list |
| 13:28.22 | jelly-home | that wasn't the greatest idea |
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| 13:29.37 | awc737 | please any help with right lcick |
| 13:29.53 | jelly-home | ... frankly I'm amazed that someone other than sun/oracle was using sparc cpus |
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| 13:31.14 | _martin | So was I jelly-home ^^ http://paste.debian.net/228933/ |
| 13:31.53 | _martin | but the new readynas duov1 series will be shipped out with an arm cpu |
| 13:32.54 | _martin | But I can't recommend netgear home NAS solutions |
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| 13:39.43 | apm1 | theoretically what should be more stable squeeze BPO or wheezy |
| 13:39.56 | Rix | is it possible to add a user with predefined password |
| 13:40.21 | Rix | i want to automatically add users with a tcl script (with password like changeme123) |
| 13:41.42 | themill | apm1: depends what you mean by "stable" |
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| 13:44.16 | asr33 | Do you guys think Debian will run on Android hardware like Ubuntu is intending? |
| 13:45.13 | anddam | asr33: Android hardware == Nexus? |
| 13:45.24 | asr33 | sure |
| 13:45.32 | anddam | I guess it already does somehow |
| 13:45.56 | asr33 | virtually |
| 13:46.26 | anddam | when editing a file in /etc/default can I leave a copy of the original with ".orig" appended to its name or could this harm? |
| 13:46.33 | awc737 | does anybody know a very simple desktop client for managing database? |
| 13:46.41 | awc737 | I'm not allowed to use PHPmyadmin or a web client |
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| 13:46.55 | abrotman | awc737: nor should you |
| 13:47.09 | anddam | namely I see /etc/default/locale is setting LANG and LANGUAGE, I'm unsure if I should just remove those (I think so) or explicitly set en_US |
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| 13:47.58 | anddam | awc737: there's *Office Base and I think Kexi in KOffice (the koffice part may be wrong) |
| 13:48.01 | awc737 | good point abrotman |
| 13:48.18 | awc737 | I'm in gnome |
| 13:48.27 | abrotman | awc737: there's a program called Tora, if it still exists |
| 13:48.30 | anddam | abrotman: would /etc/default/locale.orig harm? |
| 13:48.37 | abrotman | judd: info tora |
| 13:48.38 | anddam | awc737: and? |
| 13:48.38 | judd | Package tora (misc, optional) in squeeze/i386: A graphical toolkit for database developers and administrators. Version: 2.1.2-1; Size: 8260.9k; Installed: 12780k; Homepage: http://www.torasql.com; Screenshot: http://screenshots.debian.net/package/tora |
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| 13:50.43 | awc737 | and? koffice sounds like kde |
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| 13:53.03 | anddam | awc737: I'm still not getting the point, install the package and its dependencies, keep out unwanted kde elements |
| 13:53.22 | abrotman | to do what? |
| 13:53.42 | abrotman | awc737: have you looked at Tora? |
| 13:53.47 | anddam | install Kexi, (maybe) part of KOffice |
| 13:53.56 | anddam | s/^/in order to / |
| 13:54.18 | anddam | abrotman: sorry to bother, do I need to dpkg-reconfigure something after editing /etc/default/locale? |
| 13:54.34 | anddam | I'm getting man: can't set the locale; make sure $LC_* and $LANG are correct |
| 13:54.44 | awc737 | I'm about to look at Tora |
| 13:54.54 | awc737 | LibreOFfice Base required JDBC |
| 13:55.00 | awc737 | and a database name |
| 13:55.04 | awc737 | I don't want something like that |
| 13:55.15 | awc737 | I want to manage everything on localhost as root, like PhpMyAdmin |
| 13:55.20 | awc737 | create new, etc |
| 13:55.23 | anddam | I think there're still leftovers from previous LANG/LANGUAGE settings, I removed lines in /etc/default/locale, logged out and back in |
| 13:55.24 | abrotman | anddam: localegen ? |
| 13:55.32 | anddam | abrotman: eh, dont' ask me :-) |
| 13:55.32 | abrotman | anddam: dpkg-reconfigure locales ? |
| 13:55.44 | abrotman | anddam: do you actually want help? |
| 13:55.55 | anddam | sure, even a pointer to a factoid is good |
| 13:56.13 | anddam | I ran locale-gen after editing locale.gen since it was stated in locale.gen's man page |
| 13:56.25 | anddam | I didn't find anything about /etc/default/locale |
| 13:57.11 | anddam | abrotman: why did you ask if I actually wanted help? |
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| 13:57.59 | themill | that file is sourced by lots of different init scripts |
| 13:58.15 | awc737 | wait a sec, I can just use PhpMyAdmin and input the credentials of the remote host |
| 13:58.25 | abrotman | ... |
| 13:58.32 | awc737 | how is this any different than a desktop client |
| 13:58.40 | awc737 | and how is this any safer than putting PHPMyAdmin on the remote server |
| 13:59.26 | themill | awc737: phpmyadmin has an appalling record of remotely exploitable holes. |
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| 13:59.49 | awc737 | themill, phpmyadmin would be on my localhost |
| 14:00.01 | awc737 | I would just put the remote address and credentials |
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| 14:00.36 | awc737 | but I usually restrict database access to localhost... so how could a GUI desktop client connect anyways? |
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| 14:01.05 | awc737 | it seems I have to allow outside connections, at which point using a desktop or localhost client will be the same secure-wise |
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| 14:01.52 | themill | you could do it with an ssh tunnel for any local client. |
| 14:02.22 | awc737 | and not with phpmyadmin |
| 14:02.28 | themill | awc737: when you say you're "not allowed" -- in what way? why? is it because someone would rather you learned how to do it properly? |
| 14:02.37 | awc737 | so you are saying a program like Tora let's me use a tunnel |
| 14:03.00 | themill | sure, as does phpmyadmin |
| 14:03.17 | awc737 | oh, so then I don't see why I should try to find a client |
| 14:03.23 | awc737 | I should just use PhpMyadmin from localhost |
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| 14:03.28 | awc737 | that's equally secure right |
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| 14:04.14 | awc737 | and yes, thats basically right themill. I'm a new developer on a project, and everyone else uses Mac and some database administration program, and I don't use mac.... |
| 14:04.36 | awc737 | and the program they use is just for Mac. and in the past, I've always just put Adminer on the server |
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| 14:04.51 | awc737 | which is like PhpMyADmin |
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| 14:06.23 | neon__ | when I copy paste something from web pages I get a lot of \uXYZW anyway to get that copy paste performed right? |
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| 14:07.11 | anddam | themill: "that file is sourced by lots of different init scripts" <-- was that meant to me? |
| 14:07.20 | neon__ | \u2019 \u201c \u2026 |
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| 14:08.08 | Leoneof | hello, i've iso for Wheezy Beta 3, how to update this iso to Beta 4 with jigdo ? i don't know the command |
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| 14:11.23 | abrotman | Leoneof: for what purpose? |
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| 14:14.50 | Leoneof | abrotman: how to UPDATE the old iso (wheezy beta3) to (beta 4) by using jigdo ? |
| 14:15.31 | abrotman | yes, but why would you want to? |
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| 14:19.26 | Leoneof | abrotman: i want to do! |
| 14:19.55 | abrotman | okay |
| 14:20.36 | Leoneof | what you have expected? really your question did "lol" in my stomach :/ |
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| 14:21.52 | abrotman | waits for an actual answer |
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| 14:22.49 | themill | Leoneof: jigdo comes with documentation on how to do this if you really want. Whether it's really worth doing or not is debatable -- the packages on your b4 image would also be out of date compared to those in the archive now. |
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| 14:36.53 | Leoneof | jigdo is doing the job: "Found 3024 of the 3837 files required by the template" , then why i've to download new iso again? this save my time. |
| 14:37.27 | inversechi | I am trying to setup a PPTP VPN on my debian VPS to channel all my internet through |
| 14:37.31 | inversechi | following this tutorial |
| 14:37.31 | inversechi | http://www.ducea.com/2008/06/19/setting-up-a-pptp-vpn-server-on-debian-etch/ |
| 14:37.43 | inversechi | What should I set my localip and remoteip to? |
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| 14:37.55 | themill | Leoneof: it's already taken you half an hour to get that far. I doubt it's really saving your time. |
| 14:38.28 | abrotman | themill: bonus points if he's doing all of this to reinstall his "beta" OS |
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| 14:39.56 | Leoneof | heh, i'm not reinstalling |
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| 14:42.49 | Leoneof | i've 10 dvds, hence you're wondering why i've not to use jigdo :) |
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| 14:46.55 | abrotman | Leoneof: you're probably doing it hte wrong way |
| 14:48.00 | Leoneof | the wrong way because i've downloaded 10dvds? |
| 14:48.36 | abrotman | 10 DVDs that are already sorely out of date |
| 14:48.47 | themill | Leoneof: what are you using all the DVDs for? Are you wandering off into the desert for months and need a full debian archive on DVD? |
| 14:49.09 | Leoneof | themill: yes in another world, you never understand |
| 14:49.20 | Leoneof | why everytime i come here to explain my problem |
| 14:49.31 | Leoneof | read debian log |
| 14:50.01 | themill | Leoneof: because actually needing all the DVDs is so unusual that the CD team is actually considering not producing them any more. There are almost always better ways of doing this. |
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| 14:50.52 | Leoneof | themill: actually i need them for myself to install anything at anytime in "offline" as i don't have internet, and to give other people also never seen the internet. |
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| 14:51.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | themill, what! I was trying to outdo the AOL-stack of CDs by building up a stack of Debian-install DVDs! |
| 14:52.32 | themill | Leoneof: so yeah, people in this channel will often look at requests like that and try to work out what the "real" problem is you're facing and try to help you solve that instead. Would a mirror perhaps on an external hard drive be more useful for you than DVDs? |
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| 14:54.57 | Leoneof | in iraq? are you joking? |
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| 14:55.57 | abrotman | doesn't get how you can update images with jidgo if you don't have internet |
| 14:55.59 | babilen | Leoneof: What is so strange about external harddrives with data on them in Iraq? |
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| 14:58.58 | themill | Leoneof: updating a partial mirror would probably be less work than updating the dvd images -- it should be the same amount of download but a lot less faffing about and a lot less of your time and cpu time. |
| 14:59.16 | samba35 | how to get list of all dpkg--recconfigure(able) package |
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| 15:00.47 | athena | hello |
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| 15:01.33 | athena | my connection to the net dies if eth0 is UP while my system network manager says its connected to my gateway through wifi |
| 15:01.39 | abrotman | samba35: did you look at the output of 'dpkg -l' ? |
| 15:01.43 | Leoneof | themill: how to do about "updating partial mirror"? |
| 15:01.53 | boudiccas | can people recommend a good window-manager that keeps my LXDE setup, with the system panel at the top of the screen please? |
| 15:01.54 | samba35 | no |
| 15:02.01 | athena | if i issue ifconfig eth0 down then my connections comes to life can anyone PLEASE HELP me |
| 15:02.20 | themill | Leoneof: depends how you're maintaining your mirror. debmirror or ftp-sync both can do this for you. |
| 15:02.41 | abrotman | boudiccas: gnome3 ? |
| 15:02.49 | athena | my connection to the net dies if eth0 is UP while my system network manager says its connected to my gateway through wifi if i issue ifconfig eth0 down then my connections comes to life can anyone PLEASE HELP me |
| 15:02.54 | abrotman | athena: stop repeating |
| 15:03.05 | abrotman | three times in two minutes .. |
| 15:03.11 | athena | does it have anything to do with /etc/network/interfaces ? |
| 15:03.15 | boudiccas | abrotman: now i know you're joking :) |
| 15:03.19 | abrotman | boudiccas: no |
| 15:03.39 | athena | how can i stop eth0 from coming UP ? atleast ? |
| 15:03.48 | abrotman | boudiccas: also, lxde is not a WM |
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| 15:04.26 | boudiccas | abrotman: that would just be substituting one DE for another, whereas I want to keep LXDE, although it does come with openbox |
| 15:04.37 | abrotman | boudiccas: state what you actually want |
| 15:04.53 | samba35 | abrotman, i look at dpkg -l it give list of all package but i wanted to know all package which are configurable with dpkg --reconfigure postfix (all packages ) |
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| 15:05.06 | babilen | boudiccas: Just use LXDE ? |
| 15:05.21 | abrotman | samba35: i meant, did you look at the header? |
| 15:05.39 | samba35 | no |
| 15:06.15 | athena | how do bring down eth0 in interfaces file ? |
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| 15:06.53 | samba35 | abrotman, how it does help to get idea about which package are reconfiguratble |
| 15:07.00 | samba35 | sorry i have no idea on that |
| 15:07.16 | samba35 | can you please tell me |
| 15:07.52 | abrotman | boudiccas: what are you actually looking for? |
| 15:08.27 | boudiccas | babilen: i've been looking at several pages on xmonad, but it seems that it would replace the panels and menu of LXDE, which I don’t want |
| 15:08.27 | abrotman | samba35: man dpkg .. see the package states .. that's my guess .. then use dpkg -l to see which packages are in which states |
| 15:08.54 | samba35 | ok |
| 15:08.54 | babilen | boudiccas: So, why don't you use LXDE if that is what you want? |
| 15:09.19 | boudiccas | abrotman: something that tiles my desktop without loosing my LXDE setup |
| 15:09.34 | abrotman | losing |
| 15:09.40 | abrotman | and what part of LXDE? you want the taskbar? |
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| 15:10.46 | boudiccas | abrotman: i like the panel, the menus [but that’s also dependant on the use of 'alacarte' from gnome |
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| 15:11.46 | boudiccas | i also want to keep my cairo-dock usage too, which is so useful |
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| 15:12.19 | invariant | How do I select which ruby I want to use by default? update-alternatives --config ruby works on newer systems. |
| 15:12.47 | abrotman | boudiccas: so just pick another WM |
| 15:13.02 | boudiccas | abrotman: hmm |
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| 15:14.19 | babilen | boudiccas: http://www.haskell.org/haskellwiki/Xmonad/Using_xmonad_in_LXDE -- You might also want to ask in #lxde |
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| 15:15.10 | boudiccas | babilen: yes, i've looked at that article, but it seems that it replaces the panel of LXDE which i want to keep |
| 15:17.15 | boudiccas | babilen: sorry, i hadn't looked at that page, doing so now |
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| 15:19.27 | Rix | is there a way to specify a password when adding user (and not to be prompted) or to passwd it without promt (like passwd user -p=pass or adduser user -p=pass) |
| 15:21.19 | Rix | maybe use expect? |
| 15:21.36 | Leoneof | themill: good idea, thank you :) |
| 15:21.37 | abrotman | or useradd i believe has a password field, but you'll have to fill out all the other stuff adduser does magically for you |
| 15:21.48 | Rix | thanks :} |
| 15:22.17 | invariant | Rix, do not ever pass plaintext passwords to scripts as arguments. |
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| 15:22.59 | invariant | Rix, everytime you do foo --password secret, any local user can intercept your password. |
| 15:23.12 | samba35 | abrotman, ii dovecot-core 1:2.0.19-0ubun secure mail server that supports mbox, maild |
| 15:23.30 | samba35 | how do i understand wheter its configurable ? |
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| 15:23.50 | samba35 | i read but really fail to understand |
| 15:23.56 | abrotman | samba35: please go to #ubuntu for help, have a nice day |
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| 15:24.16 | Rix | thanks :} |
| 15:24.16 | Leoneof | lol |
| 15:24.24 | Rix | so i'd better use expect |
| 15:24.30 | Rix | cause in who they will se it |
| 15:24.36 | samba35 | what is ii |
| 15:24.40 | abrotman | samba35: please go to #ubuntu for help, have a nice day |
| 15:24.42 | Rix | it is temp pass anyway but should not be seen |
| 15:24.53 | abrotman | !tell samba35 about based on debian |
| 15:24.58 | abrotman | !tell samba35 about ubuntuirc |
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| 15:25.26 | maurooo | good evening |
| 15:25.31 | Rix | good evening |
| 15:25.41 | maurooo | Hi Rix |
| 15:25.56 | Night_Elf | Hi all. Gnome keyring question: Is there a CLI alternative to Seahorse, the keyring manager? There is a remote machine accessible only via ssh, where I need to recover a pop3 password configured in Evolution. |
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| 15:27.19 | maurooo | How i can set the gateay in mi pc using ifup and dhcp? |
| 15:27.42 | anddam | themill: I rebooted after reconfiguring locales and now I'm not getting "can't set the locale; make sure $LC_* and $LANG are correct " |
| 15:28.03 | anddam | themill: is that that you meant while saying that that file was loaded by several init scripts? i.e. I had to reboot? |
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| 15:28.19 | abrotman | Night_Elf: the password would be stored somewhere, but likely encrypted .. so you want to open the seahorse keystore with a CLI program ? |
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| 15:29.33 | Night_Elf | abrotman: if possible, yes. The idea is that just as I would use Seahorse in the GUI, to do the same activity, maybe more rudimental even, but with a CLI alternative. |
| 15:30.24 | maurooo | can i have help setting my wifi with dhcp? i recive the ip, but the gateway isn't set |
| 15:30.29 | Night_Elf | abrotman: console text, to be more precise. CLI or ncurses is still good for me. |
| 15:30.50 | babilen | Night_Elf: seahorse-tool? |
| 15:31.12 | babilen | ah, no .. that is not what you need |
| 15:31.49 | abrotman | notes the seahorse man page is not helpful |
| 15:31.59 | Night_Elf | babilen: i didnt know there was something like seahorse-tool |
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| 15:33.02 | abrotman | Night_Elf: seahorse is a "front end for gnupg" |
| 15:33.10 | babilen | Night_Elf: Unfortunately it does not provide the functionality you need - I guess one option would be to simply copy the relevant files to a computer with X (or install seahorse on the server and ssh -Y/-X into it) and open them there |
| 15:33.13 | Night_Elf | abrotman: babilen: there used to be something like keyring_tool but i cant seem to find it no more |
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| 15:34.22 | babilen | Night_Elf: I take it that you are actually asking about the different keyrings that can also be accessed via seahorse, aren't you? |
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| 15:35.00 | babilen | Night_Elf: They can IIRC be found in ~/.gnome2/keyrings/ and there might be alternative ways to access the information |
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| 15:35.04 | Quibus | hi all |
| 15:35.06 | Night_Elf | babilen: yes. I need the pop3 password that my work computer is configured with in Evolution. |
| 15:35.26 | Night_Elf | babilen: i will see this option. |
| 15:35.27 | Quibus | I sometimes get no sound and the sound preferences show "Dummy Sound Output" only... What could be wrong? I didn't find a pattern when this happens. |
| 15:35.32 | abrotman | babilen: that's for gnome2? |
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| 15:37.12 | Night_Elf | babilen: and i have thought of ssh with X forwarding, but it is not possible. I can only reach my work desk comp by ssh login to a cisco router and from there I ssh to the intended computer. |
| 15:37.59 | Quibus | the card is shown in /proc/asound/cards |
| 15:38.08 | babilen | abrotman: Well, this is sid. I use gnome-keyring-daemon (but not the seahorse front-end) -- I haven't yet seen a ~/.gnome3 or anything like that and would rather expect these files to appear in ~/.local/ |
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| 15:39.03 | babilen | Night_Elf: You should be able to do multi-hop ssh, but then again: Just copy the keyring file(s) and run seahorse (or another gnome-keyring frontend) locally |
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| 15:40.00 | Night_Elf | babilen: yes, I am checking my possibilities for this solution. Thanks for the hint. :) |
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| 15:42.01 | babilen | Night_Elf: nfc if there are other front-ends though ... |
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| 15:44.17 | Night_Elf | babilen: ah, if this will work, it is good for me. But I wonder how come there's no gnome keyring manager for console only. I mean, it is a good admin tool to have. |
| 15:45.35 | abrotman | seahorse says it's a front end for gnupg |
| 15:45.48 | babilen | Night_Elf: ack, but I won't write one. You might want to inform #gnome (on irc.gnome.org) |
| 15:46.26 | Night_Elf | abrotman: ya, seems like i will need to check gnupg out. |
| 15:46.27 | babilen | abrotman: it also provides access to different keyrings that are "managed" by gnome-keyring-daemon IIRC |
| 15:46.46 | Quibus | well, killing and restarting pulseaudio seemed to help |
| 15:46.47 | Night_Elf | babilen: I actually think of doing it. |
| 15:46.48 | babilen | Night_Elf: nah, gnupg has nothing to do with this |
| 15:47.59 | babilen | Night_Elf: Another approach would be: 1. Find out how the keystores are encrypted and decrypt them manually 2. ??? 3. You can finally read your mail even though you forgot your password! |
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| 15:50.10 | Night_Elf | babilen: yes. I am tar.gzing the keyring directory and now finding the easiest way to transfer it to this laptop i am using right now. I will check all what i can think of about this. |
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| 15:51.39 | abrotman | Night_Elf: can't you just ask the ISP to reset your password? :) |
| 15:51.44 | babilen | Night_Elf: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=505633 -- You could probably download that from the Arch archive and compile it yourself |
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| 15:53.00 | babilen | Night_Elf: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=506255 |
| 15:53.22 | Night_Elf | abrotman: it the freaking work email that has this long long password set there since a while ago. And as it is saturday, i cant do much but i neeed to get to my emails. :/ |
| 15:53.24 | babilen | Night_Elf: And yeah, why don't you just change your password if it is /so much work/ to access your work box? |
| 15:53.35 | abrotman | Night_Elf: oh, fun |
| 15:53.41 | babilen | *sigh* |
| 15:53.45 | Night_Elf | lol |
| 15:54.13 | nadar | anyone knows if the antix distro is still somehow alive? |
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| 15:56.52 | babilen | Night_Elf: Configure multihop SSH and forget about the fact that you have to log into a gateway first. http://paste.debian.net/228971/ would be the idea of a ~/.ssh/config to achieve that (The -W ssh options requires a newer SSH version, can't remember which exactly) |
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| 15:57.48 | Night_Elf | babilen: woooh, this is handy indeed. thanks. |
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| 16:00.30 | boba123 | Hello |
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| 16:01.32 | boba123 | I need some help with awk. I have a line containing \item[something] and I want to get the something out of it? Can somebody tell me how to do that? |
| 16:02.11 | ompaul | in the event that I want to ping a range of ips that I know should be in the range 1-10 how can I do 192.168.2. something to use this echo {1..10} (better answers would be used ;-)) |
| 16:02.43 | ompaul | boba123: is it always inside the [] |
| 16:02.51 | ompaul | boba123: is it always the same |
| 16:02.53 | boba123 | yes |
| 16:03.14 | boba123 | the something is arbitrary |
| 16:03.22 | boba123 | but \item[] is fixed |
| 16:05.52 | ompaul | so then the easy way might be to echo $(cut -C1-6)\] ?sssdddddddddddddddddddd |
| 16:05.54 | ompaul | w |
| 16:06.00 | ompaul | woops but you might get the idea |
| 16:06.05 | jelly-home | ompaul: nmap -sP 192.168.2.1-10 |
| 16:06.23 | ompaul | jelly-home: the obvious is better ;-) thanks |
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| 16:07.00 | mcgreg | hi |
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| 16:08.39 | boba123 | there might be some whitespaces before the input.. then cut does not work like this. i can remove them first but I was hoping there is a pure awk solution |
| 16:09.10 | ompaul | boba123: cut column ? |
| 16:09.43 | mcgreg | my netbook has a "Broadcom Corporation BCM4313 802.11b/g/n Wireless LAN Controller" - and I have been using the broadcom-sta driver for it - which is like a Proprietary driver. I am sick of it - is there a real open source solution / a linux kernel driver for it? |
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| 16:10.35 | ompaul | boba123: ok so awk -F'[' '{ print $1 }' should help |
| 16:10.35 | wols_ | !bcm4313 |
| 16:10.36 | dpkg | The Broadcom BCM4313 (PCI ID 14e4:4727, incorrectly identified as BCM4727 by Broadcom's proprietary driver) is an 802.11n PCIe wireless LAN chipset, not supported by the <b43> driver at this time. For support on Debian systems, ask me about <brcm80211>, <wl>. Not to be confused with the <BCM4331>. |
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| 16:11.03 | ompaul | boba123: not obvious you have to add in the ] again echo might be useful as might some printf |
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| 16:12.23 | ZitZ | does rc.local run multiple times when the system boots up? |
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| 16:13.23 | boba123 | ompaul: that works for me. thanks |
| 16:13.31 | wols_ | normally only once. look yourself in your rc?.d directories? |
| 16:13.53 | mcgreg | wols_, thank you. could you tell me how I can "ask dpkg" about anything? or is it simply "!brcm80211" ? |
| 16:14.07 | jelly-home | mcgreg: /msg dpkg stuff |
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| 16:14.23 | mcgreg | jelly-home, thank you |
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| 16:14.57 | ompaul | boba123: good, usually I find that kind of thing a pain because no two cases are the same but I guess that's why we have shell scripting in the first place ;-) (no I don't want nor need a practical example of the pedantic history TLDR - I've other stuff to do) |
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| 16:15.46 | eptalon | heyas |
| 16:16.05 | ZitZ | let me ask a different question, where would I place commands that I want to run on system start, if I don't install any DE, display managers, or X? |
| 16:16.39 | ZitZ | that would work if i switched to systemd too |
| 16:16.56 | eptalon | I run sid, and I have a software raid, which I want to grow by one device (from 3x2T to 4x2T, RAID5). The raid wiki talks about a critical section at the start. How long does this take? |
| 16:17.16 | jelly-home | ZitZ: systemd has backwards compatibility with init scripts. |
| 16:18.08 | jelly-home | ZitZ: so: /msg dpkg rc.local, /msg dpkg init.d |
| 16:18.08 | ZitZ | jelly-home: okay, does systemd have it's own recommended way? |
| 16:18.26 | jelly-home | ZitZ: it probably does, I don't know |
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| 16:20.58 | ZitZ | writing your own init script is seriously the recommended method? |
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| 16:21.21 | ZitZ | seems a little extravagant for 3 commands i need to call. |
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| 16:22.12 | jelly-home | well just use rc.local then |
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| 16:23.03 | jelly-home | if you think init scripts are extravagant, you're going to have a hard time with systemd |
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| 16:25.43 | xbanux | hey...im trying to create a custom iso from a debian netinstall iso using simple-cdd ...ive mounted the netinstall iso in /home/user/netinstall....and run the command: simple-cdd --debian-mirror file:///home/user/netinstall |
| 16:26.08 | xbanux | it takes a while but then i get an ERROR: missing required packages from profile default: simple-cdd-profiles |
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| 16:27.41 | Wyzard | eptalon: Not long at all |
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| 16:28.48 | Wyzard | eptalon: The critical section is just the first stripe, IIRC, so coming from a 3-drive array with (presumably) 512k chunks, that's 1.5MB |
| 16:28.55 | eptalon | Wyzard: its rebuilding; says something like 1000mins left. I guess that's past the critical section |
| 16:29.06 | Wyzard | yeah |
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| 16:29.22 | Wyzard | restriping a RAID array is quite slow |
| 16:29.26 | eptalon | meaning it can be switched off and on just like normal |
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| 16:29.43 | royalty | hello I am trying to set up a wireless usb card on debian |
| 16:29.48 | royalty | the drivers for it are installed |
| 16:29.56 | royalty | I have wicd network manager installed |
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| 16:30.00 | royalty | where do I go from here? |
| 16:30.02 | Wyzard | I've done it a few times in the past and I think it consistently took about 3 times as long as a rebuild |
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| 16:31.12 | eptalon | Wyzard: it redistributes stuff, as opposed to a rebuild, which doesn't. |
| 16:31.13 | wols_ | royalty: you are done. IF you done it right. so give more useful info if you want help |
| 16:31.15 | mcgreg | jelly-home, wols_ : I've got it working with "brcmsmac" you both helped me a very much, thank you |
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| 16:32.08 | Wyzard | eptalon: I know... just giving you a rule-of-thumb for estimating how long it'll take :-) |
| 16:32.44 | eptalon | my system sux.the resync is using 30% cpu... |
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| 16:32.47 | royalty | wols_: if i run iwconfig nothing shows up, i suspect bc my device is usb, my device uses ndiswrapper for its drivers |
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| 16:33.25 | royalty | wols_: the wicd network manager also isn't helping me out right now |
| 16:33.45 | royalty | wols_: nothing shows up there... |
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| 16:34.28 | royalty | wols_: the exact output of iwconfig is lo no wireless extension eth0 no wireless extension and pan0 no wireless extension |
| 16:35.08 | wols_ | royalty: start at the actual beginning: what usb device is it? |
| 16:35.29 | wols_ | and ndiswrapper pretty much is deprecated since forever |
| 16:36.12 | royalty | wols_: NetGear, Inc. WNA3100(v1) Wireless-N 300 [Broadcom BCM43231] |
| 16:36.18 | Night_Elf | babilen: abrotman: got the keyring files in the local laptop. As here it is complaining about login and password, i will need to temporary recreate the user here exactly as it is in the remote system. So i will need to logout. Anyhow, thanks for your assistance and suggestions. :) |
| 16:37.47 | wols_ | royalty: check your modules, syslog, kernel messages. there are probably errors in relation to your ndiswrapper setup |
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| 16:38.29 | wols_ | royalty: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=11199585 might work |
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| 16:39.20 | eptalon | Wyzard: rebuild speed 25M/sec? |
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| 16:39.46 | peaceblaster | on a scale of Ubuntu to Gentoo, how hard is Debian installation? |
| 16:40.20 | cusco | there is no such scale |
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| 16:40.33 | alfplayer | try and see? |
| 16:40.39 | eptalon | peaceblaster: you need to be able to answer a few easy questions, so literacy is helpful. |
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| 16:41.19 | eptalon | peaceblaster: ubuntu is a little more shiny, and prefers newer software/shorter cycles. |
| 16:41.26 | royalty | wols_:Okay I will try again later have to go now. |
| 16:41.28 | renm0 | good morning #debian |
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| 16:41.34 | royalty | wols_: thanks |
| 16:41.34 | abrotman | peaceblaster: IMO, pretty darn easy, but i've been using Debian for 15 years or so :) |
| 16:41.48 | abrotman | is old :( |
| 16:42.04 | eptalon | abrotman: wisdom can only come with age, no? |
| 16:42.47 | abrotman | right ... :) |
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| 16:43.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | eptalon, possibly... it CAN, but you'd be amazed in how many cases it doesnt ;) |
| 16:44.45 | eptalon | CutMeOwnThroat: grandpas and grandmas are all wise, and drooling, and needing a new napkin twice a day. |
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| 16:52.03 | subb1 | Hi guys |
| 16:52.40 | subb1 | I just did a source installation of mysql to /usr/local/mysql/ ... I just tried to connect first time to server with no root password but its failing. |
| 16:52.51 | subb1 | its on a debian6 with mysql 5.1.x |
| 16:53.05 | abrotman | subb1: ask #mysql why it doesn't work .. or install the Debian packages |
| 16:53.41 | jelly-home | subb1: which mysql client are you using and have you told it where the correct mysqld socket place is? |
| 16:54.57 | subb1 | jelly-home, the socket is configured in my.cnf as /tmp/mysql.sock. |
| 16:55.02 | Guest27678 | I want to issue ssh commands via some task /build system. What is well suited? |
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| 16:56.10 | shadedpixel | HIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII |
| 16:56.32 | subb1 | jelly-home, i'musing the one in /usr/local/mysq/bin/mysql ... |
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| 16:59.21 | alusion | I'm installing debian on a clients machine, I suspect they'll run into trouble further down the road so I want to install some kind of remote assistance software or perhaps run an ssh server. What would be the recommended course of action? |
| 17:00.06 | abrotman | is it GUI or CLI |
| 17:00.08 | ZitZ | alusion: ask their permission first |
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| 17:00.22 | alusion | I have already gotten permission |
| 17:00.28 | alusion | GUI |
| 17:00.39 | abrotman | so use something like vino or xrdp |
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| 17:07.02 | peaceblaster | abrotman: ok, yeah sorry, had to go for a bit. I just installed slack last night and didn't like, so this sounds like it should be easy in comparison |
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| 17:24.13 | invariant | During su -l, which files are processed? |
| 17:24.42 | invariant | I just want su -l to get the same environment as logging in via ssh would give. |
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| 17:30.23 | invariant | Is this accurate? http://linux.about.com/od/itl_guide/a/gdeitl55t01.htm |
| 17:30.31 | invariant | I don't think it is. |
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| 17:31.11 | jackbrown | hey I need to --------------> PROXY -----------------> VPN my system I'm running MATE interface could anyone help me ? |
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| 17:31.57 | wols_ | jackbrown: you need to exaplain your problem first in a proper way. less arrows, more sense |
| 17:33.10 | jackbrown | wols_: ok I have a Debian distro that I would like to put behind a proxy then i want to connect it to a VPN |
| 17:33.18 | jackbrown | wols_: did I made myself clear? |
| 17:33.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | invariant, what part do you think is wrong? Also, refer to "man bash" for the authorative answer on bashs behavior |
| 17:33.39 | invariant | I want su -l -c "echo $SHELL" foo to return the shell of user foo. |
| 17:34.02 | invariant | CutMeOwnThroat, I don't understand why it uses bash. |
| 17:34.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | huh? |
| 17:34.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | what uses bash |
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| 17:34.34 | invariant | CutMeOwnThroat, that command returns bash instead of the configured shell of user foo. |
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| 17:35.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | invariant, this is something more appropriate for #bash... and actually they have the answer in their /topic ... it's "USE MORE QUOTES" |
| 17:35.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | invariant, use ' instead of " |
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| 17:35.26 | invariant | CutMeOwnThroat, right |
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| 17:36.44 | invariant | CutMeOwnThroat, that part works now. Now, I need to know which files are processed to setup the environment to execute the given command. |
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| 17:37.07 | wols_ | jackbrown: what proxy? you can use tsocks or proxychains to force any application to use your custom SOCKS proxy |
| 17:37.09 | invariant | CutMeOwnThroat, (because PATH is setup incorrectly) |
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| 17:37.52 | jackbrown | wols_: is there a way to set the whole system to use that proxy ? |
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| 17:38.54 | wols_ | jackbrown: not totally sure. maybe via iptables (transparent proxy, you can google that) |
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| 17:42.28 | jackbrown | wols_: got it |
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| 17:44.08 | peaceblaster | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:46.08 | ompaul | peaceblaster: what kind of hardware? |
| 17:46.47 | peaceblaster | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:46.58 | babilen | peaceblaster: Well, you need grub-efi in that case |
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| 17:47.19 | babilen | peaceblaster: Which version of Debian are you installing? |
| 17:48.03 | peaceblaster | The latest one from the site... my system is x86_64, but the closest I found to that was AMD64 |
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| 17:49.52 | peaceblaster | I also noticed the installer uses ext3 by default... should that make a significant difference? |
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| 17:50.51 | peaceblaster | babilen: where do I find grub-efi? |
| 17:51.04 | babilen | peaceblaster: Which site? |
| 17:51.13 | somiaj | peaceblaster: amd64 is the code name of x86_64 (because amd was the first the instruction set that became teh standard) |
| 17:51.37 | peaceblaster | here: http://www.debian.org/distrib/netinst |
| 17:51.53 | babilen | peaceblaster: Either way: I guess that you downloaded the stable version which is not what I would recommend to install right now. (in particular not on UEFI hardware) -- I would recommend to install wheezy (which will be released as stable soonish) using the daily installer |
| 17:52.15 | babilen | peaceblaster: yeah, that's the squeeze (stable) installer that does not support UEFI out-of-the-box ... |
| 17:52.33 | peaceblaster | alrighty, where can I get "wheezy"? |
| 17:52.38 | babilen | peaceblaster: I would use http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/daily-builds/wheezy_d-i/current/amd64/iso-cd/ |
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| 17:52.52 | peaceblaster | ok |
| 17:53.07 | apm1 | has the EOL date been decided for squeeze ? |
| 17:53.08 | babilen | peaceblaster: Installation Guide is at http://www.debian.org/releases/testing/amd64/index.html.en |
| 17:53.35 | babilen | apm1: No, but it will be one year after the release of wheezy ... As we don't know yet when wheezy will be released there is no EOL for squeeze yet |
| 17:54.03 | babilen | peaceblaster: That image contains firmware and I assume that you have a working internet connection during the installation (how do you connect?) |
| 17:54.11 | apm1 | babilen, ok thanks :) |
| 17:54.34 | peaceblaster | babilen: I use a USB netgear wifi card... the live OS I was using did not recognize it out of the box |
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| 17:56.35 | babilen | peaceblaster: It probably needs firmware and maybe a newer kernel. Try the wheezy image with it. There is a little problem if you configure a wireless network during the installation in that it will be configured in /etc/network/interfaces which causes network-manager to not manage the wifi. You would have to edit that file and remove the entries for wlan0 if you want to use network-manager |
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| 17:57.15 | babilen | peaceblaster: (just if you wonder why clicking on the network applet shows wireless as being unmanaged) -- it might be a good idea to connect via ethernet for the installation (but that is not necessary) |
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| 17:57.58 | babilen | peaceblaster: That issue is also documented (linked from http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/) on http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Today |
| 17:58.00 | Guest20904 | hi |
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| 17:59.14 | babilen | peaceblaster: Oh, that issue might have been fixed in the meanwhile. Either way: If you run into the problems I mentioned you know why |
| 17:59.16 | peaceblaster | unfortunately I am unable to connect with ethernet for the install |
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| 18:00.09 | AlexLikeRock | one more ting way dont used JAVA http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=WaPni5O2YyI#t=278s |
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| 18:00.24 | babilen | peaceblaster: That is okay, just think about my comment when you run into this issue. The wireless network will still work (but is statically configured in /etc/network/interfaces) which means that you simply cannot use network-manager to manage it. Remove the entries from /etc/network/interfaces to fix that (or come here and ask for directions if you need them) |
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| 18:01.53 | abrotman | AlexLikeRock: we have an offtopic channel, please learn to use it |
| 18:02.09 | babilen | AlexLikeRock: That Java vulnerability is old news and has already been fixed (exploits like this are also by no ..... thanks abrotman. :) |
| 18:02.34 | tharkun | wants supercow powers also :) |
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| 18:05.17 | tharkun | babilen: on the Wireless side I recall having some problems with Network Manager and Broadcom Corporation BCM4312. So I disabled it. No problem so far but when psk is involved I can't get wpasupplicant to work correctly. Do you happen to know a nice reference on how wpasupplicant works? |
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| 18:05.49 | tharkun | Or for the isue at hand how can it be manually configured? |
| 18:06.43 | babilen | tharkun: /usr/share/doc/wpasupplicant/README.Debian.gz -- NM should work though :-/ |
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| 18:07.59 | tharkun | babilen: The network card has an isue. If you load the module for it, you need to load it up twice. Else it doesn't work. Some isue that hasn't even been reported. |
| 18:08.46 | babilen | In other news: Broadcom cards are shit ;) |
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| 18:09.10 | tharkun | babilen: known bug, It seems that is has a "Will Not Fix" tag on them ;P |
| 18:09.23 | wols_ | babilen: rename yourself captain obvious please :P |
| 18:09.27 | babilen | Oh, but that one is the particularly horrible lpphy variant ... |
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| 18:10.26 | tharkun | babilen: Precisely. I could only make it work manually. |
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| 18:13.45 | VastOne | I am curios, is aptitude still the preferred program for daily package management from console or apt-get? |
| 18:14.46 | babilen | uses apt-get unless he needs aptitude's super powers (search, dependency resolution, interactive resolver, ...) |
| 18:15.03 | sharky | uses apt-get |
| 18:16.09 | vt0r | Yeah I always use apt-get, apt-cache search for searches, etc. |
| 18:16.11 | VastOne | same here babilen, just trying to determine the 'debian' way :) |
| 18:16.32 | sharky | babilen, is aptitude search better than apt-cache search something | grep -i something |
| 18:16.39 | babilen | sharky: vastly |
| 18:16.41 | tharkun | VastOne: Do as you see fit. |
| 18:16.48 | babilen | dpkg: tell sharky about aptitude search |
| 18:16.54 | beastd | believes aptitude is way nicer for interactive usage including pakage search/selection and changelog browsing |
| 18:17.04 | vt0r | I suppose apt-get is the "original" debian way of the two, however the choice is yours since they are all proven and work in ways certain people like over others, VastOne |
| 18:17.05 | sharky | i will try it, i have never tried it actually |
| 18:17.11 | sharky | and good to know |
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| 18:17.46 | VastOne | vt0r: Thanks, I thought it was the other way around that aptitude was there and apt-get came later |
| 18:18.03 | vt0r | by "they all" I mean not only apt-get and aptitude but also synaptic is another very popular one I've heard of |
| 18:18.13 | babilen | *shudder* |
| 18:18.56 | babilen | apt-get also supports different resolution systems these days (cf. apt-cudf) |
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| 18:19.38 | babilen | But just use what is appropriate for the task at hand. I tend to use apt-get for daily things and revert to aptitude if I need special features |
| 18:20.05 | VastOne | You mean when there is trouble... :) same here |
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| 18:46.14 | M20 | Hey, I installed upstart since it was required for a package I needed. I had to uninstall sysvinit. Now whenever I go to synpatic and click Mark all updates it attempts to remove upstart and install sysvinit. Can I cancel this feature? |
| 18:46.26 | M20 | btw using squeeze |
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| 18:55.55 | mmnicolas | what did you do |
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| 18:56.38 | mmnicolas | root cause please, what is that package you needed, was it in the repos ? |
| 18:58.01 | mmnicolas | there is no reason for this happen afaik, if that package required upstart it shouldnt attempt to remove it |
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| 19:05.36 | queso | I can't believe it's taken me this long to realize there's a difference between upgrade and dist-upgrade. I'm using testing/wheezy. Is it relatively safe to do a dist-upgrade? Since installing, all I've ever done has been upgrade. |
| 19:06.08 | queso | And, is dist-upgrade possible in aptitude, or should I use apt-get? (I normally use aptitude.) |
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| 19:06.42 | tremon | queso: depends on your definition of "safe". it isn't safe not to upgrade all of your packages either, especially on testing |
| 19:06.48 | zykotick9 | queso: dist-upgrade is in aptitude as well |
| 19:06.51 | syyn | hi |
| 19:06.54 | tremon | and it's aptitude full-upgrade |
| 19:07.05 | tremon | iirc |
| 19:07.14 | queso | tremon: Right. I guess what I mean is: Should I be regularly doing dist-upgrade instead? |
| 19:07.15 | zykotick9 | tremon: either/or, they're the same |
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| 19:07.32 | queso | Can it be done from the ncurses interface? |
| 19:08.04 | tremon | not sure on the latter, I only use it in cli |
| 19:08.31 | tremon | and yes, imho you should run dist/full-upgrade regularly if you're on testing |
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| 19:09.20 | queso | That's strange. No new pacakges to be installed, upgraded, or removed. Maybe the ncurses interface defaults to doing dist-upgrade? |
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| 19:12.20 | mmnicolas | protip: if you want a safe upgrade, use "safe-upgrade |
| 19:12.22 | mmnicolas | " |
| 19:13.02 | somiaj | queso: have you read the man-page, it gives the difference (depending on if you want to add/remove packages) In stable packages don't get added/removed so you won't get any new packages with depends. In testing/unstable yes you have to do both to keep up to date (though during the freeze now it isn't as important). I personally upgrade first, then dist-upgrade second (so I only have minimial packages being installed when apt ... |
| 19:13.08 | somiaj | ... adds/removes packages to satisfy depends) |
| 19:13.44 | tremon | queso: the manual isn't explicit, but since the ncurses UI is always interactive, it is possible that it's always using the full resolver in that case |
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| 19:25.51 | larseberhart | How do I auto-install hardware drivers? Just installed Debian on a laptop and I'd like it to search for Wifi/Sound/etc. drivers…. |
| 19:26.47 | somiaj | larseberhart: most of the drivers come with the kernel. If the hardware isn't detected by the kernel (read though dmesg about the hardware it found) it could be the kernel you have doesn't support your hardware or you are missing firmware |
| 19:26.59 | somiaj | larseberhart: What version of debian are you running? Squeeze? |
| 19:27.15 | mmnicolas | "drivers" are always auto-loaded and already installed, just might be missing some firmware |
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| 19:27.19 | larseberhart | Yes, Squeeze. |
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| 19:27.41 | mmnicolas | see dmesg, it'll show you what's missing |
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| 19:27.45 | Bluefoxicy | hey |
| 19:27.50 | Bluefoxicy | how does a package in sid get updated? |
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| 19:27.59 | Bluefoxicy | http://packages.debian.org/sid/puppet 3.0 was released on October 1 2012 |
| 19:28.07 | Bluefoxicy | 3.0.2 is current |
| 19:28.14 | mmnicolas | Bluefoxicy: its maintainer updates it |
| 19:28.29 | skydrome | hey all, when I do ssh port fowarding with ssh -fNL, how does one reverse this process? like close the ports |
| 19:28.34 | Bluefoxicy | ahhh, ok they're listed on the right |
| 19:28.42 | Bluefoxicy | so I should ping them or something I guess |
| 19:28.43 | mmnicolas | skydrome: close the session |
| 19:29.04 | zykotick9 | !tell Bluefoxicy about slushy |
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| 19:29.56 | skydrome | ah der, thanks mmnicolas |
| 19:30.04 | Bluefoxicy | ah |
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| 19:30.24 | Hobbes_ | hello. |
| 19:30.46 | Hobbes_ | I have a problem with my fonts |
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| 19:32.45 | Hobbes_ | I copied my font files from my computer to my laptop. I put it in ~ /. fonts but they do not appear in my programs (gimp and libreoffice) |
| 19:33.46 | zykotick9 | Hobbes_: you might want to try fc-cache, but sure if it applies to ~/.fonts though... good luck. |
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| 19:34.52 | MarGarina | Hobbes_: read about xset fp |
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| 19:35.03 | MarGarina | Hobbes_: you want to make sure your font path (hence fp) includes this dir |
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| 19:35.53 | MarGarina | Hobbes_: e.g. xset +fp ~/.fonts ; xset fp rehash |
| 19:36.29 | zykotick9 | Hobbes_: sorry and i was missing a "not" in my last message. s/but sure/but not sure/ |
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| 19:39.46 | dbb_ | hi - I have a server that has been running for a a year or two unattended.. it is set up well and has had no problems.. Debian 5. Now I look and no updates are available.. what should I do ? |
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| 19:40.36 | scientes_ | dbb_, if you have samba on that machine there is a remote root exploit waiting to be exploited |
| 19:40.44 | wols_ | dbb_: you should upgrade to debian 6. Debian 5 has been EOL for quite some time |
| 19:40.45 | dbb_ | no samba |
| 19:40.46 | wols_ | !lenny |
| 19:40.47 | dpkg | Lenny is the codename for Debian GNU/Linux 5.0, released on February 15th, 2009. Lenny security support ended on 2012-02-06, this release is no longer supported. Lenny users should upgrade to Squeeze, ask me about <lenny->squeeze>. Removed from the mirrors (2012-03-25), ask me about <lenny sources.list>. For old Lenny ISOs, ask me about <lenny iso>. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianLenny http://www.debian.org/News/2012/20120209 |
| 19:40.51 | scientes_ | and you need to turn that off or upgrade to squeeze |
| 19:41.10 | wols_ | dbb_: see when lenny supportet ended? almost a year ago |
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| 19:41.42 | wols_ | !tell dbb_ about lenny->squeeze |
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| 19:43.57 | tremon | dbb_: additionally, start planning now for the upgrade to wheezy, which will be released within the next six months |
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| 19:44.26 | tremon | (hopefully -- as always with debian, it'll be released when it's ready) |
| 19:44.38 | dbb_ | well this is all nice but there is a binary that runs on that machine which is not upgradeable.. thrid party web thing |
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| 19:45.13 | dbb_ | I have no idea if a new apache et al will put a monkey wrench init |
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| 19:45.19 | dbb_ | in it |
| 19:45.34 | tremon | then run a lenny chroot for that web thing, or make better contracts with your binary-only supplier |
| 19:45.36 | dbb_ | its called lasso and I suggest you aviod it |
| 19:45.51 | dbb_ | hm maybe |
| 19:46.06 | dbb_ | I do appreciate the feedback though... dont get me wrong |
| 19:46.45 | dbb_ | the binary only supplier failed.. so they are out of business as far as I know.. apparently that does happen |
| 19:47.27 | dbb_ | right now I am looking up how to make apt happy after the webmin update didnt work.. shows my skill level at apt but I am being honest |
| 19:48.03 | tremon | !tell dbb_ about bat |
| 19:48.16 | dbb_ | it was really good to see this *debian* server running like a charm after a year or two of literally no attention.. big thank you for that |
| 19:48.31 | tremon | sure, that's what we're here for. But we can't solve third-party problems for obvious reasons :) |
| 19:48.53 | dbb_ | of course.. I am reading the hints now... |
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| 19:50.20 | dbb_ | haha - and I dislike m$ft and avoided samba and apparently that was part of the charm! |
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| 19:53.28 | edju | Running Wheezy. /proc/disk/by-id lists the hd, and its partitions, twice - ata-Hitachi & scsi-SATA_Hitachi. Is that to be expected? |
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| 19:55.22 | tremon | edju: yes, that's normal. the kernel doesn't distinguish between (s)ata and scsi controllers |
| 19:57.16 | Guest18107 | hey everyone.. can anyone help me with a debian wheezy laptop which is suffering from what seems a hard freezing problem. It's a Lenovo X1 Carbon. Running latest wheezy .. logs show nothing? i'll run some hardware diagnostics but is there anything else I can check/run ? |
| 19:58.03 | ChrisH | Guest18107: is it still pingable from outside? |
| 19:58.03 | wols_ | when is it locking up? can you reproduce it? |
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| 19:59.20 | Guest18107 | Guest18107, that i'm not sure, i will check next. There's no keyboard or mouse response, any music playing etc. stops as well.. everything just freezes up.. but next time i'll check the ping response |
| 19:59.55 | Guest18107 | err ChrisH .. thanks :) |
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| 20:01.42 | ChrisH | Guest18107: If it happens next time, try to ssh to your laptop. I just had a similar issue, my unstable Laptop stop responding, but I could still ssh into and top showed my X eating up one CPU. kill -9 fixed it :) |
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