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| 06:57.17 | psiklops | Good Morning. |
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| 06:58.00 | psiklops | i just rebooted and am stuck on a minimum Grub. How do solve this issue ? |
| 06:58.59 | psiklops | looks something like: This is a minimal Grub... Press TAB for commands... Grub> |
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| 06:59.53 | psiklops | i recall havi to boot with livecd and restoring grub through a livecd but, cannot find the right words for a google search |
| 07:00.58 | anddam | "rescue disk" or something like that |
| 07:01.49 | anddam | basically you'll want to to boot from a rescue system, mount your root fs, chroot into it, check|rebuild grub menu config |
| 07:02.11 | psiklops | yes |
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| 07:06.46 | psiklops | thanx anddam |
| 07:07.01 | psiklops | found and acomplished :-) great stuff |
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| 07:19.03 | cantboot | hello! I installed upstart like it's said here and it didn't worked http://web.dodds.net/~vorlon/wiki/blog/Upstart_in_Debian/ |
| 07:19.10 | cantboot | now I can't boot my system |
| 07:19.25 | cantboot | any idea? booting maybe a livecd and reinstalling from there? how? |
| 07:19.51 | cantboot | I mean, it boots, the problem is not with grub but with sysvinit |
| 07:20.03 | cantboot | which is now uninstalled... |
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| 08:15.54 | anddam | I asked if a firewall was a good practice even for a host that is only providing ssh/httpd and I was told it is but the firewall factoid says "A firewall cannot protect the computer it is running on." |
| 08:16.36 | anddam | does this mean that I shouldn't bother creating iptables rules to block anything but my intended service since they would be running on the same host? |
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| 08:23.08 | caf | anddam: that sounds like a load of twaddle |
| 08:23.31 | caf | there's nothing inherently wrong or useless about running firewall rules on the host itself |
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| 10:26.11 | cityLights | hi , |
| 10:26.19 | cityLights | this weird thing happnes now |
| 10:26.43 | ompaul | !ask |
| 10:26.43 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 10:26.55 | ompaul | cityLights: ^^ that is a good way to ask |
| 10:27.11 | cityLights | sorry, issue is solved |
| 10:27.14 | cityLights | thanks |
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| 10:27.32 | ompaul | !next |
| 10:27.32 | dpkg | Another happy customer leaves the building. |
| 10:27.35 | ompaul | ;-) |
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| 10:57.06 | tete_ | hi, i can not mount my smb directory from my raspberry since i updated smb.. i get permission denied. can someone help me? the mount.cifs //192.168.0.11/freigabe /mnt/lucy/ -o user=oli,password=xxx - thats the command |
| 10:57.25 | tete_ | mount error(13): Permission denied. Refer to the mount.cifs(8) manual page (e.g. man mount.cifs) - thats the error |
| 10:57.34 | tete_ | i am already root |
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| 11:33.11 | Ristovski_ | Hello, how can I install 3D acceleration support for my ATI card? |
| 11:33.25 | Ristovski_ | vsync seems to be on but I cant install amdcccle to disable it |
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| 11:37.23 | Ristovski_ | babilen: Whats better, fglrx or the other drivers? |
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| 11:38.21 | caraconan | Hi all. From time to time if I click on a link (using Debian + iceweasel) it redirects me to an add url (http://adf.ly). My question is if this is because the site or I installed a nasty plugin or something in my iceweasel? |
| 11:38.52 | ompaul | it is not standard so I guess you need to go hunting |
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| 11:39.21 | caraconan | Ok, thanks |
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| 11:44.13 | wols | ompaul: it very much depends on the link he clicked on |
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| 11:47.18 | loca|host | hi, i've executed by error this command: "dd if=/dev/floppy of=/dev/sda", where sda is a 1Tb disk, it's now show on fdisk as a 1.4Mb disk and i no more see my partitions/data on /dev/sda; the question is, how to restore my sda, at least some of it ... |
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| 11:48.01 | Cultist | redo the partition table |
| 11:48.05 | Cultist | could work |
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| 11:49.14 | Ristovski_ | Ok, can anyone guide me on how to install the fglrx driver on debian wheezy? |
| 11:49.25 | Ristovski_ | im currently using vesa, which sucks |
| 11:49.58 | loca|host | Cultist: how to redo that partition table ? |
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| 11:50.33 | Cultist | rewrite it with gparted or cfdisk or something. Might lose data that was on it before but you'll get the space back at least |
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| 11:50.42 | Cultist | or the data might be fine, couldn't say. |
| 11:51.25 | loca|host | Cultist: what about testdisk or ddrescue ? |
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| 11:52.36 | Cultist | dunno, never tried those |
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| 11:57.54 | Ristovski_ | Guys, I need help, xserver-xorg-video-vesa vs fglrx? |
| 11:58.00 | Ristovski_ | which one is better? |
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| 12:06.59 | nkuttler | Ristovski_: you probably want radeon vs fglrx |
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| 12:07.51 | Ristovski_ | nkuttler: which one is better? |
| 12:08.01 | jpinx | is there an option I am missing taht willforce icedove to wait for a very slow connetion ? |
| 12:08.03 | Ristovski_ | Im struggling with getting good drivers |
| 12:08.21 | Ristovski_ | nkuttler: I have ATI Radeon Mobility HD 5145 |
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| 12:15.30 | babilen | dpkg: tell Ristovski_ -about radeon |
| 12:15.34 | babilen | dpkg: tell Ristovski_ -about fglrx dkms |
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| 12:16.29 | Ristovski_ | babilen: ok, and which one shall I use? |
| 12:16.36 | babilen | Ristovski_: I would use the free radeon drivers unless fglrx is absolutely necessary. Make sure to install firmware and libgl1-mesa-dri and check "glxinfo|grep render" to make sure that you have hardware accelleration and no software rasterizer |
| 12:17.25 | Ristovski_ | babilen: "direct rendering: Yes |
| 12:17.25 | Ristovski_ | OpenGL renderer string: Gallium 0.4 on AMD RV710 GL_EXT_vertex_array_bgra, GL_NV_conditional_render," |
| 12:17.34 | babilen | Ristovski_: But that is my opinion and, franklu, I have no idea what you use your box for. I really couldn't care less about rendering performance for games for example |
| 12:17.39 | babilen | Ristovski_: Looks fine |
| 12:17.51 | babilen | Ristovski_: Do you actually experience any problems |
| 12:17.56 | Ristovski_ | babilen: bad framerate |
| 12:18.07 | babilen | where? |
| 12:18.13 | Ristovski_ | games |
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| 12:18.19 | Ristovski_ | I didnt have it in Ubuntu |
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| 12:18.32 | Ristovski_ | my ubuntu was using fglrx I think |
| 12:18.36 | babilen | Ristovski_: Stop playing them and spent your time on something worthwhile ;) |
| 12:18.48 | ompaul | like fixing graphics cards |
| 12:18.52 | babilen | Ristovski_: But then: Try fglrx and see if it makes a difference :) |
| 12:18.52 | ompaul | hides |
| 12:19.38 | Ristovski_ | babilen: can I install xserver-xorg-video-radeon and the dri stuff and see if it works? |
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| 12:20.12 | Ristovski_ | if it doesnt I can boot into a CLI and install the fglrx driver, right? |
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| 12:21.04 | Ristovski_ | babilen: why is installing fglrx so hard tho? |
| 12:21.25 | babilen | Ristovski_: I guess that you are already using the radeon driver (cf. /var/log/Xorg.0.log and "dpkg -l xserver-xorg-video-radeon") -- But /please/ make sure that the ligl1-mesa-dri and the firmware packages are installed (cf "/msg dpkg radeon") |
| 12:21.27 | Ristovski_ | btw, just apt install xserver-xorg-video-radeon? or kill x and gdm? |
| 12:21.47 | Ristovski_ | cf. ? |
| 12:21.56 | babilen | Installing fglrx is not hard at all (see "/msg dpkg fglrx dkms" for instructions) |
| 12:22.05 | babilen | Ristovski_: cf. "confer" |
| 12:22.36 | Ristovski_ | babilen: ligl1-mesa-dri doesnt exist as a package |
| 12:22.39 | babilen | Ristovski_: think of it as "compare" or "see also" |
| 12:22.41 | Ristovski_ | and im using the vesa driver |
| 12:22.51 | Ristovski_ | xorg.0.log says so |
| 12:23.05 | babilen | Ristovski_: You have to enable non-free (and contrib) sources (cf. "/msg dpkg contrib" "/msg dpkg non-free sources") |
| 12:23.28 | Ristovski_ | babilen: of wheezy? (im on it) |
| 12:23.44 | babilen | yes, sure |
| 12:23.54 | babilen | dpkg: tell Ristovski_ -about make wheezy sources.list |
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| 12:24.06 | babilen | That should be all the information you need. Good luck! |
| 12:24.20 | Ristovski_ | babilen: I have non-free enabled |
| 12:24.33 | Ristovski_ | "deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian/ testing main contrib non-free" |
| 12:25.24 | Ristovski_ | yet Unable to locate package ligl1-mesa-dri |
| 12:25.53 | Ristovski_ | oops, typo, I already have the mesa-dri installed |
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| 12:26.51 | babilen | Ristovski_: I would recommend to use "wheezy" and not "testing" there |
| 12:27.08 | babilen | Ristovski_: The name of the package is libgl1-mesa-dri (have you even read "/msg dpkg radeon" ?) |
| 12:27.26 | Ristovski_ | babilen: I have it already installed, sorry, I made a type when typing it into terminal |
| 12:27.28 | babilen | And you don't need non-free for that |
| 12:27.41 | Ristovski_ | I also have firmware-linux-nonfree |
| 12:27.43 | cronix | hi all, im running wheeyz and stumble across something that looks like a bug which reappeared, can anyone confirm that pam_mysql's md5 crypt is broken again? |
| 12:27.45 | cronix | pam_mysql - non-crypt()ish MD5 hash is not supported in this build. |
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| 12:27.49 | Ristovski_ | so I guess Ill install fglrx |
| 12:28.33 | cronix | libpam-mysql 0.7~RC1-4+b3 |
| 12:28.54 | cronix | ubuntu is having a bug for this aswell but ive seen nothing on the debian trackers |
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| 12:29.39 | xbanux | hey guy...my objective is make a pre-seeded custom install iso wherein after the installation is complete a script present on the iso image is run...from a bit of googling i found out that simple-cdd fits my needs...ive created my custom script n named it default.postinst and generate the image...the iso image is generated sucessfully...but the script default.postinst isn't present in the |
| 12:29.41 | xbanux | simple-cdd folder of the iso... |
| 12:29.41 | Ristovski_ | babilen: is this all I need to run to get fglrx? http://paste.debian.net/plain/229262 |
| 12:30.14 | cronix | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pam-mysql/+bug/1006005 this is the bug in ubuntu, i think its in debian aswell, can anyone confirm? |
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| 12:30.58 | xbanux | im running the command: simple-cdd --conf ./simple-cdd.conf ...The default.postinst file is present in the same folder |
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| 12:37.29 | xbanux | any help guys?? or is there a better option to achieve this? |
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| 12:41.21 | abrotman | cronix: you can install Debian and find out? or look in the Debian BTS |
| 12:41.58 | tgs3 | is there default way to have application |
| 12:42.08 | tgs3 | that will in command line reconfigure network settings easily |
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| 12:42.46 | tgs3 | so that any newbie can use it, like configureip and it will ask about your IP, DNS, DHCP.. |
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| 12:42.57 | tgs3 | maybe rerun that network config that runs in installer |
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| 12:45.32 | cronix | abrotman: im RUNNING debian... and i stumbled accross the same problem there, just wanted to know if its my mistake or if the bug is here aswell |
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| 12:53.16 | ompaul | cronix: have you done the I am running debian X with this program Y I see effect Z my expectation was A |
| 12:54.12 | ompaul | cronix: last I checked my membership of the telepathy for solving computer issues society had expired and you know what they are like if you practice without a licence ;-) |
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| 12:58.41 | apm1 | i have a macbookpro 13" 2010 on which i'll be installing squeeze |
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| 12:59.19 | apm1 | i can't use wheezy (i know it has an EFI installer) as this is supposed to be a very reliable setup |
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| 12:59.47 | apm1 | i noticed that the squeeze repos have "refit " and "gptsync" |
| 12:59.55 | ompaul | wheezy is the later of the two |
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| 13:00.09 | streuner_ | dpkg, mbp |
| 13:00.09 | dpkg | The MacBook Pro is a laptop series produced by Apple Inc., succeeding the PowerBook G4. http://wiki.debian.org/MacBookPro . See also <bcm4331>, <laptop>. |
| 13:00.29 | apm1 | streuner_, i have read that page |
| 13:00.53 | apm1 | it doesn't address this question i am trying to ask :) |
| 13:01.21 | babilen | Ristovski_: That is the recipe for squeeze -- You have to adjust it to wheezy (just install the headers for your kernel and /then/ run "aptitude -r install fglrx-drver" ...) |
| 13:01.33 | streuner_ | apm1: well, didnt insall Debian on my MBP yet, but knoppix just runs fine on it... |
| 13:01.56 | apm1 | streuner_, that is because you are booting from cd ? |
| 13:02.06 | streuner_ | apm1: yes |
| 13:02.20 | apm1 | yes thats supposed to run |
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| 13:03.13 | babilen | apm1: Hmm, you could probably use the wheezy installer to install squeeze (check in expert install), but I'm not /too/ sure about it. |
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| 13:03.49 | babilen | apm1: OTOH you are aware that wheezy has been frozen for ages and will be released soonish (with probably very little changes to its current state), aren't you? |
| 13:04.17 | apm1 | babilen, the last weeks images that i tried had a major bug |
| 13:04.26 | apm1 | it couldn't detect my 3g dongle |
| 13:04.38 | apm1 | which is my only internet connection |
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| 13:04.53 | apm1 | thus i can't live with wheezy |
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| 13:15.47 | RES401 | Hello all, what are the common/popular IDS packages everyone here uses? |
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| 13:17.42 | babilen | dpkg: tell RES401 -about ids |
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| 13:19.04 | RES401 | rofl thanks babilen |
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| 13:20.04 | RES401 | I like the bot, how can I ask the bot for a list of commands it(the bot) accepts |
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| 13:21.29 | babilen | RES401: You probably want to read <dpkgbot> and then search for factoids using "listkeys FOO" and "listvals FOO" |
| 13:21.38 | babilen | RES401: Also "help" :) |
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| 13:22.16 | RES401 | thank you babilen |
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| 13:38.35 | subb1 | Hello all. |
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| 13:43.12 | subb1 | I'm planning to do a debian upgrade from 5 to 6. I have a postfix, apache, mysql, sshd servers running on 5 right now. Wrt to mysql I could take a backup of all the databases as a precaution. Wrt to postfix and apache what would be your suggestion guys? Is the upgrade safe to take place without any conf/mail backup of the other 3 servers, following the instructions here http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/release-notes/ch-upgrading.html |
| 13:43.39 | subb1 | (assuming nothing goes wrong deviating from instructions steps) |
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| 13:44.39 | subb1 | All I want is postfix and apache to function just as normally as it did after the upgrade :) just making sure of things... Thanks |
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| 14:10.26 | jackbrown | hey |
| 14:10.42 | jackbrown | anyone there? will this guide set my whole debian behind a proxy ? http://www.unixmen.com/configure-debian-squeeze-to-work-behind-a-proxy-faqs/ |
| 14:10.44 | cronix | weird |
| 14:11.21 | cronix | building the package libpam-mysql from source and applying the debian patches manually produces a libpam-mysql.so file that works with md5 hashing |
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| 14:11.42 | cronix | where the native debian vanilla package does not work |
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| 14:12.09 | ompaul | subb1: he who is without backups is without backups, and he assumes note ye puts an ass before u and me |
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| 14:12.41 | ompaul | subb1: the other way to read that is that if you transition and it breaks you can't go back to 5 and try again |
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| 14:14.34 | subb1 | ompaul, wanted to know what to backup with regards to postfix and apache |
| 14:14.36 | subb1 | :) |
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| 14:16.23 | jackbrown | could anyone help me to connect my OPENVPN through a proxy ? |
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| 14:16.53 | ice2 | Hi, I have an ancient laptop, Pentium M, 768MB ram, currently running lenny and it is *dead slow*, is there any benefits if I upgrade to squeeze? thanks |
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| 14:18.51 | abrotman | ice2: that's enough to run squeeze .. what is your WM/DE ? |
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| 14:22.19 | paulbanks | am i the only one who doesn't want to abandon gnome 2 ? |
| 14:22.31 | ompaul | subb1: so I said make sure you have backups, then try it in place. |
| 14:22.52 | abrotman | paulbanks: and what? |
| 14:23.36 | Towzzer | paulbanks, there are many people and new distributions have been created because of this |
| 14:23.41 | Towzzer | like mint w/ mate |
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| 14:23.57 | ice2 | abrotman: KDE, it is pretty stable but unusable because it is slow like hell.. actually I'm thinking about downgrade back to etch, I hope upgrade to squeeze wont make it slower |
| 14:24.13 | abrotman | ice2: perhaps you should try lxde instead of kde ? |
| 14:24.19 | sneex | which package does the vpn stuff belong too? |
| 14:24.19 | abrotman | or xfce |
| 14:24.34 | abrotman | sneex: vpnc i'd ugess .. probabyl depends on the type of vpn you're using |
| 14:24.38 | abrotman | or openvpn |
| 14:25.02 | abrotman | sneex: also depends if you're trying to create a vpn client or server |
| 14:25.55 | sneex | a c;ient -- near as I can tell its probably the servwer but my client version broke since the upgrade |
| 14:25.58 | paulbanks | i don't know why but over the years i've used xfce , kde and lxde but nothing "feels" right as gnome 2 does |
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| 14:26.32 | abrotman | paulbanks: Your choices going forward are MATE or Cinnamon as I understand it .. MATE is not yet in Debian, Cinnamon is only in unstable currently |
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| 14:27.13 | abrotman | paulbanks: good luck! |
| 14:27.30 | abrotman | ice2: i'd say upgrade to squeeze, switch to LXDE |
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| 14:30.05 | ice2 | abrotman: yes will try that, the core system should be fine with that spec right? i'm thinking to use this dinosaur for web server for development purpose |
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| 14:31.08 | abrotman | ice2: that system should be fine for most any use |
| 14:31.21 | abrotman | ice2: including as a laptop for daily use |
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| 14:35.40 | sneex | wow, I am really shocked by all the openvpn reports |
| 14:36.03 | abrotman | sneex: are you trying to create the server or a client? |
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| 14:36.43 | sneex | the client, it was working for about a year and then stopped around jan 11th... |
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| 14:41.24 | Sebby | is there anny way to patch my ancient PC from Debian side so it can PXE boot? i gotta mention i installed an Intel LAN card cause the PC didn`t had..Fujitsu Intel MMX233 |
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| 14:44.55 | abrotman | Sebby: patch what? |
| 14:44.58 | wols | Sebby: patch in what way? |
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| 14:46.31 | dvs | Sebby: What version of Debian do you have? |
| 14:47.05 | Sebby | is a 2008 version |
| 14:47.16 | Sebby | but dunno wich one |
| 14:47.37 | abrotman | Sebby: Debian does not control your ability to PXE boot |
| 14:47.38 | dvs | Sebby: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 14:48.07 | Sebby | i can`t cat because riht now is installing |
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| 14:48.31 | dvs | Sebby: Why are you installing an old version? |
| 14:48.56 | Sebby | in windows i had the ability to execute some bios patches to update bios or things like that |
| 14:49.13 | Sebby | because that is the only cd i have |
| 14:49.24 | Sebby | and i have no usb or rw cd |
| 14:49.34 | abrotman | okay .. and what's the problem? |
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| 14:50.16 | Sebby | i wonna patch my LAN card to sow in bios LAN boot, or wake up on lan |
| 14:50.23 | Sebby | so i can pxe boot |
| 14:50.33 | abrotman | Sebby: did you even look to see if such a patch exists? |
| 14:50.52 | Sebby | it exists |
| 14:51.24 | abrotman | where? |
| 14:52.39 | Rix | im running a script to add new users using useradd, but it seems not to work with crontab |
| 14:52.51 | Rix | useradd disabled for crontabs? |
| 14:52.59 | abrotman | did you use the full path to binaries? |
| 14:53.01 | Sebby | http://ipxe.org/download and http://www.intel.com/support/network/adapter/pro100/bootagent/sb/CS-008362.htm |
| 14:53.18 | Rix | oh my mistake thanks abrotman |
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| 14:54.16 | abrotman | Sebby: and it doesn't have any PXE booting right now ? |
| 14:54.48 | abrotman | Sebby: there are two methods there .. |
| 14:54.51 | Sebby | i can`t find in bios anny option regarding LAN |
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| 14:55.04 | abrotman | it would be in your NIC bios, not your mobo bios |
| 14:55.36 | Sebby | yeah |
| 14:55.50 | wols | Sebby: you won't find it when you had to install separate card. If you want to use PXE Booting with this separate LAN card, that card MUST have a BIOS chip on the card itself. if it doesn't have this, no PXE boot possible |
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| 14:56.35 | Sebby | ok |
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| 14:57.09 | Sebby | so how do i know my Intel 10/100mbps has this? |
| 14:57.27 | wols | does it have a socket where you can add a BIOS chip? |
| 14:58.17 | Sebby | dunno i have to open pc |
| 14:58.28 | Sebby | but i guess not |
| 14:58.35 | wols | if you don't know, you don't have it (or don't have the actual chip for this socket) |
| 14:58.41 | Sebby | if you meen like bios battery\ |
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| 14:58.49 | wols | no I don't mean BIOS battery |
| 14:59.00 | wols | again: if you don't know what I talk about, you don't have it |
| 14:59.52 | Sebby | but i found on intel website that there is a patch for this model |
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| 15:00.34 | wols | Sebby: do you get a Intel Boot Agent when booting? |
| 15:01.10 | Sebby | yeah |
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| 15:02.43 | wols | when it shows up at boot time, ctrl+s should open a config util |
| 15:02.53 | dvs | he's gone |
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| 15:29.34 | invariant | In http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=275064, what does C.T.K. error mean? |
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| 15:34.46 | e-anima | hi |
| 15:34.50 | abrotman | invariant: user error |
| 15:35.04 | e-anima | im trying to enable innodb on debian squeeze...but i am failing fpr 2 hours now |
| 15:35.04 | invariant | abrotman, what does it stand for then? |
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| 15:35.14 | e-anima | http://blog.coldtobi.de/1_coldtobis_blog/archive/300_enabling_innodb_support_in_debian_mysql.html <--i tried this |
| 15:35.15 | invariant | abrotman, Christ The King? |
| 15:35.16 | _Gasnik_ | hello all |
| 15:35.24 | abrotman | invariant: yes |
| 15:35.41 | _Gasnik_ | can I ask about something technical? |
| 15:35.42 | invariant | abrotman, who is the user in this case? |
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| 15:35.53 | _Gasnik_ | i've just made a terrible mistake |
| 15:35.58 | invariant | abrotman, it seemed that upstream was upset about things Debian did. |
| 15:36.00 | abrotman | invariant: i'm not sure i want to have a discussion with you about anything .. good luck |
| 15:36.10 | abrotman | _Gasnik_: you can try |
| 15:36.20 | invariant | abrotman, there was no discussion. |
| 15:36.29 | _Gasnik_ | okay, so... |
| 15:36.48 | _Gasnik_ | i've typed "chmod -R 777 /" on root |
| 15:36.57 | invariant | abrotman, also, what's the problem? |
| 15:36.57 | abrotman | _Gasnik_: restore from backup |
| 15:36.58 | dvs | yikes |
| 15:37.00 | abrotman | invariant: you |
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| 15:37.04 | _Gasnik_ | but i've canceled it on seconds |
| 15:37.13 | abrotman | e-anima: that seems pretty straight forward .. do you have an error ? |
| 15:37.14 | invariant | abrotman, what did I do? |
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| 15:37.20 | _Gasnik_ | is it any script to repair system files chmods? |
| 15:37.21 | e-anima | yep. one sec |
| 15:37.31 | abrotman | _Gasnik_: your bakcups .. which version of Linux is this? |
| 15:37.41 | _Gasnik_ | it's the newest debian |
| 15:37.45 | abrotman | which is? |
| 15:37.54 | e-anima | http://pastebin.com/SLizKmRd |
| 15:37.55 | e-anima | here |
| 15:37.55 | invariant | 6.0.6 |
| 15:38.16 | abrotman | invariant: i'm asking him, stay out of it |
| 15:38.57 | invariant | abrotman, what do you have against me for the second time? |
| 15:39.08 | abrotman | invariant: please leave me alone |
| 15:39.18 | abrotman | i answered your original question, that's enough |
| 15:39.26 | _Gasnik_ | i can't find it |
| 15:39.39 | abrotman | e-anima: it's telling you to remove log files, then try again |
| 15:39.39 | invariant | No, you didn't. |
| 15:39.43 | _Gasnik_ | probably 6.0.5 |
| 15:39.47 | invariant | You just said something which was still ambiguous. |
| 15:39.52 | abrotman | no, i didn't |
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| 15:40.05 | invariant | abrotman, why did I ask for clarification then? |
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| 15:40.14 | abrotman | has a few guesses |
| 15:40.29 | abrotman | _Gasnik_: you can try to reinstall packages, but that won't fix all the issues .. |
| 15:40.39 | abrotman | _Gasnik_: how old is this install ? |
| 15:40.40 | e-anima | abchirk does he mean remove all dtabase related logfiles in /var/logs? |
| 15:40.51 | _Gasnik_ | it's from 08/2012 |
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| 15:40.57 | abrotman | e-anima: in /var/log/mysql/ .. i would thikn, i'd ask #mysql to be sure |
| 15:40.57 | invariant | abrotman, like I said, I had the impression that it was the fwbuilder maintainer who said that that Debian configured things in the wrong way. |
| 15:41.04 | abrotman | invariant: good for you |
| 15:41.16 | abrotman | _Gasnik_: so you've been using it awhile, and you don't have good backups? |
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| 15:41.24 | invariant | abrotman, is this #annoyusers? |
| 15:41.32 | _Gasnik_ | i know that fedora has repair command |
| 15:41.33 | abrotman | invariant: you can /part any time you like |
| 15:41.37 | _Gasnik_ | no, I don;t have :/ |
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| 15:41.38 | abrotman | _Gasnik_: which does what? |
| 15:41.54 | _Gasnik_ | which stes default chmods for system files |
| 15:41.54 | wols | invariant: no, it's #annoydebianregularsbyinvariant right now. shut up |
| 15:42.03 | _Gasnik_ | sets* |
| 15:42.04 | wols | invariant: unless you have an actual debian related question |
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| 15:42.22 | invariant | wols, that is a question about a Debian BTS entry. |
| 15:42.24 | abrotman | _Gasnik_: so you can try to reinstall the packages, which sets system file permissions .. but it won't fix things that aren't owned by packages |
| 15:42.50 | abrotman | !tell _Gasnik_ about reinstall |
| 15:43.02 | invariant | wols, I can't quite phantom how a question about a Debian package is not related to Debian. |
| 15:43.12 | _Gasnik_ | it's a good idea |
| 15:43.15 | wols | invariant: Borna Novak did some terminally stupid thing and then complained when debian broke. and the maintainer told him to stop doing stupid things and then complain about it to others |
| 15:43.34 | wols | invariant: and now fuck off please so I doN't have to add you to /ignore |
| 15:43.57 | abrotman | _Gasnik_: it's something to try .. it won't fix everything, but it's a start |
| 15:44.06 | abrotman | fathom, not phantom |
| 15:44.45 | _Gasnik_ | how much that commanc dan broke in a few seconds? |
| 15:44.57 | abrotman | _Gasnik_: we can't know that .. depends on the speed of your system |
| 15:44.57 | _Gasnik_ | i don;t know.. 10 seconds it was working |
| 15:45.17 | _Gasnik_ | okay |
| 15:45.41 | abrotman | _Gasnik_: for instance, a SSD would execute that much faster than an old PATA style drive |
| 15:45.52 | _Gasnik_ | i remember, that when I was installing LSWS, it was compiling kernel ab. 30 mins |
| 15:45.56 | abrotman | not to mention i5 vs PII |
| 15:46.23 | _Gasnik_ | i have some segate 2,5 on pata |
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| 15:47.36 | dvs | _Gasnik_: you can try running "find / -perm 777" but that's no guarantee that the file was changed by the command you ran. |
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| 15:47.45 | invariant | wols, I don't see the reason for becoming so aggressive, but I don't understand the exact reason for what he did wrong, because I am not an expert on that package. My issue is unrelated. |
| 15:47.52 | _Gasnik_ | exacly dvs |
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| 15:48.16 | _Gasnik_ | but first in the order was /backup folder... |
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| 15:50.01 | ChoHag | Does anyone happen to know exactly what keypresses I need (and can thus get qemu to send) to get the installer iso to activate the serial console? |
| 15:50.41 | ChoHag | Specifically I know what command line options need to be set, just not certain how to get the installer bios menu whatsit to get to the place where I can type them in. |
| 15:52.14 | superuser_ir | http://paste.ubuntu.com/1577040/ |
| 15:52.24 | superuser_ir | can any one help me ? |
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| 15:52.53 | Towzzer | superuser, ping 8.8.8.8 |
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| 15:54.48 | superuser_ir | Towzzer: 64 bytes from 8.8.8.8: icmp_req=1 ttl=40 time=240 ms |
| 15:56.26 | wols | superuser_ir: your DNS server is broken. and unless you have dialup your ping to 8.8.8.8 is very high too |
| 15:57.49 | superuser_ir | wols: I have'nt any DNS server install in this server ? please explain it ? |
| 15:58.28 | wols | no. you are using a DNS server, in your router or the one from your ISP. and your debian can't reach that server for some reason or other |
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| 15:59.14 | Towzzer | echo 'nameserver 8.8.8.8' > /etc/resolv.conf |
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| 15:59.18 | Towzzer | superuser |
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| 16:04.48 | superuser_ir | Towzzer: solved . :D tanx |
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| 16:06.49 | abdostar | hello guys, I want to install debian, I downloaded one iso (DVD#1), is that enough to install debian, or I need the whole set? |
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| 16:07.07 | Towzzer | that's enough |
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| 16:07.48 | royalty | hello does anyone here know a lot about wireless cards that are compatible with linux. What are your thoughts on this thing? http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA1NV0KV7574 |
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| 16:08.08 | abrotman | royalty: for which linux? |
| 16:08.16 | royalty | abrotman: debian |
| 16:08.23 | royalty | abrtoeman: stable |
| 16:08.30 | royalty | ops |
| 16:08.32 | royalty | oops |
| 16:08.42 | abrotman | dpkg: tell royalty about rt5370 |
| 16:09.13 | babilen | royalty: IIRC that chipset is a pain in the arse |
| 16:09.23 | abrotman | is it ralink? :) |
| 16:09.27 | royalty | yeah |
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| 16:09.52 | royalty | it says it is compatible with linux but I really want something that I can plug in and will just work |
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| 16:10.02 | abdostar | Towzzer, thank you, so during the install I will not need any other ISOs? I know ubuntu is based on debian, is there any difference between the two except the desktop env |
| 16:10.06 | abrotman | royalty: on stable, that won't |
| 16:10.21 | royalty | abrotman: oh okay |
| 16:10.25 | babilen | royalty: And to revolutianise your IRC habits: Type "abro<TAB>" |
| 16:10.45 | royalty | abro<TAB> test |
| 16:10.56 | babilen | *sigh* |
| 16:10.59 | royalty | "abro<TAB>" test |
| 16:11.14 | royalty | ummm |
| 16:11.16 | wilmaaaah | awesome |
| 16:11.19 | babilen | royalty: The <TAB> in there is the TAB key. As in the key ... |
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| 16:11.28 | royalty | abro |
| 16:11.35 | royalty | : test |
| 16:11.35 | babilen | forget it |
| 16:11.40 | Towzzer | abdo, the biggest difference is the packages installed by default and what is available |
| 16:11.54 | babilen | royalty: (you might want to learn about tab-completion if you plan to keep on using Linux though) |
| 16:11.54 | royalty | " test |
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| 16:12.55 | royalty | babilen: what is tab-completion |
| 16:13.13 | abdostar | Towzzer, thank you, I will do more reading, since I'm using ubuntu, I think the transition will not be hard |
| 16:13.18 | Towzzer | it won't |
| 16:13.21 | Towzzer | why are you moving to debian |
| 16:13.28 | Towzzer | debian is a great server os |
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| 16:13.47 | babilen | royalty: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Command-line_completion (you can google for "tab completion" yourself) |
| 16:14.25 | abrotman | Towzzer: it's a great OS |
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| 16:14.58 | babilen | abdostar: On what kind of hardware are you installing? Do you have a working internet connection during the installation? How do you connect? Can you connect via ethernet? |
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| 16:16.42 | abdostar | babilen, I will be installing on a 3 yo old pc, I think I will have a working wireless during the installation, no I cant connect to ethernet |
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| 16:16.50 | M20 | Hi- I have a problem with my new debian wheezy install. When I do shutdown or poweroff, the computer restarts instead! What is happening there? |
| 16:16.58 | babilen | abdostar: You "think" ? :) |
| 16:17.25 | boudiccas | M20: not enough information, what sort of computer is it? laptop, desktop? what? |
| 16:17.32 | babilen | abdostar: Either way: if this is for your personal use I would recommend to install wheezy, which you can do using the images from http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/daily-builds/wheezy_d-i/current/ |
| 16:18.03 | M20 | boudiccas, sorry, it's a new laptop. hp 4540s. |
| 16:18.26 | babilen | abdostar: If you connect via wireless during the installation and plan to use network-manager afterwads you have to edit /etc/network/interfaces to remove the wlan0 entry there though (so NM manages your wireless) |
| 16:18.40 | boudiccas | M20: how much swap has it? maybe it hasnt got enough to hibernate with? |
| 16:19.05 | abrotman | boudiccas: that's sort of like poweroff .. |
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| 16:19.13 | M20 | how can I tell? I'm pretty much a newbie. I'm running without a de btw |
| 16:19.27 | babilen | abdostar: wheezy is the currently frozen stable and expected to be released soon. I wouldn't necessarily install squeeze for personal use these days as you will have to upgrade soon anyway and due to the fact that you probably want newer software and multiarch support |
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| 16:20.05 | babilen | abdostar: You definitely don't need DVD1 (nor CD1) as you can just download everything you need during the installation /if you have a working internet connection/ |
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| 16:20.47 | royalty | dpkg: tell royalty about rt9170 |
| 16:20.55 | babilen | abdostar: The DVD and CD sets are offered for people who don't have an internet connection at all and they contain /all/ packages in the Debian archive |
| 16:21.06 | babilen | dpkg: tell royalty -about selftell |
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| 16:21.15 | royalty | dpkg: tell royalty about ar9170 |
| 16:21.31 | babilen | royalty: Please message the bot (/msg dpkg ar9170) |
| 16:21.48 | royalty | okay |
| 16:21.58 | abdostar | babilen, oh that's make sense now, cause that what I was thinking, why would I install all those CDs and DVDs while I can download whatever I want. |
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| 16:22.28 | babilen | abdostar: some people don't necessarily have internet but still want to use Debian |
| 16:23.13 | samba35 | i have nokia 3500c phone i want to connect to internet using this phone ,how do i connect i tryed with wvdail but i get message on phone subcrib to packet data 1st and wvdail goes in redial attempt |
| 16:23.19 | royalty | is there any usb wireless card I could use that is both supported by debian and supported after Linux 3.0 |
| 16:23.25 | abdostar | babilen, is that the iso file for amd64 firmware-testing-amd64-netinst.iso ? |
| 16:23.41 | abrotman | samba35: this is not the Ubuntu support channel |
| 16:23.48 | babilen | abdostar: Yes, that's the one |
| 16:24.04 | royalty | debian stable I mean |
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| 16:24.29 | abdostar | babilen, good, it's only 235MB, a lot better than the 4Gb |
| 16:25.12 | babilen | abdostar: That way you can download only what you want - Which desktop environment (if any) do you plan to use? |
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| 16:25.44 | M20 | hey, does anyone have any idea on what should i do regarding my problem? |
| 16:26.03 | abdostar | babilen, openbox or gnome |
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| 16:27.33 | babilen | abdostar: Ok, that is fine. If you don't want to install the "everything and the kitchen sink" package for Gnome, but would like a more fine-grained approach I would recommend to /not/ install the Desktop task, but to simply install Gnome manually afterwards. (/msg dpkg install gnome) -- That assumes that you are comfortable on the command line though |
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| 16:29.04 | royalty | is this supported by debian? http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA1NV0KX9827 |
| 16:29.16 | abdostar | babilen, gnome is the default desktop ? |
| 16:29.36 | abrotman | royalty: what's the chipset? |
| 16:29.42 | babilen | dpkg: tell royalty -about hcl |
| 16:29.47 | abrotman | !tell royalty about rt8191 |
| 16:29.59 | abrotman | well, bot knows not about it .. that's not good |
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| 16:30.15 | abrotman | !tell royalty about rtl8191 |
| 16:30.28 | babilen | abdostar: It is the one that is installed by default if you don't change anything. You can install whatever you want though and other popular choices comprise XFCE and LXDE or KDE for example |
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| 16:31.30 | abdostar | babilen, ok, thank you so much for your help, I think now is the time to start installing |
| 16:31.39 | babilen | abdostar: If it weren't for the fact that I use a window manager (awesome) I would probably either use XFCE4 (http://www.xfce.org) or GNOME3 (http://www.gnome.org) |
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| 16:32.03 | babilen | abdostar: Great, have fun! :) (see "/msg dpkg install xfce4" for help with that if you want to) |
| 16:32.26 | babilen | abdostar: Don't forget about editing /etc/network/interfaces after the installation if you plan to use network-manager |
| 16:33.26 | abdostar | babilen, remove wlan0 |
| 16:33.38 | babilen | yeah |
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| 16:34.27 | abdostar | babilen, thank you, and see you soon |
| 16:34.32 | babilen | o/ |
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| 16:37.12 | cactusbin | Hello, I am running debian wheezy and I am curious why there were many packages "held back" until I did a dist-upgrade |
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| 16:37.45 | abrotman | because you need to do a dist-upgrade |
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| 16:38.03 | cactusbin | abrotman: yeah I did I am just curious why certain packages are held back until I do so |
| 16:38.09 | abrotman | cactusbin: /msg dpkg held back |
| 16:38.49 | cactusbin | thanks :) |
| 16:39.34 | M20 | Hey, I'm sorry for bothering you people but I can't find a solution to this now and I won't have time later on. So I'l ask again if anybody knows how to solve this issue- Whenever I do a shutdown or poweroff my computer turns off and then restarts. I installed debian wheezy on a new laptop. Thanks |
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| 16:39.54 | abrotman | M20: i'd start by looking for a BIOS update |
| 16:40.09 | hidatsa | M20: shutdown -P now will turn power off |
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| 16:41.27 | M20 | hidatsa one second i'm trying, and It's not a bios problem since I just got the computer... And I went through all the settings anyway |
| 16:41.41 | abrotman | it coulod be the BIOS |
| 16:41.48 | abrotman | just because it's new doesn't mean there wasn't a bug |
| 16:42.05 | M20 | Ah alright |
| 16:42.24 | M20 | hidatsa, shutdown -P gives "shutdown: -H and -P flags can only be used along with -h flag" |
| 16:44.39 | M20 | and running shutdown -Ph now gives me the same issue, it reboots after that |
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| 16:59.22 | zykotick9 | M20: did you happen to install from the debian-live cd/usb? |
| 16:59.49 | M20 | i did install from the debian squeeze cd, then upgraded to wheezy |
| 17:00.05 | zykotick9 | M20: ok, ignore me. |
| 17:00.13 | M20 | heh, how come? |
| 17:00.38 | abrotman | M20: what's your current uname -r ? |
| 17:00.46 | zykotick9 | M20: i had an issue with shutdown not working when i installed from livecd, was wondering if i should dig through my notes for ya. |
| 17:00.57 | M20 | 3,2,0-4-amd64 |
| 17:01.00 | M20 | .* |
| 17:01.37 | abrotman | all your ACPI tools installed? |
| 17:01.42 | abrotman | did you look for a BIOS update yet? |
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| 17:03.02 | markit | hi, I want to find only directory name in /home and use that name to remove a dir in /tmp I've created |
| 17:03.04 | M20 | abrotman not sure what is acpi tools... and my bios is update I went to hp's site... also I have a working win7 partition which shutdowns well |
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| 17:03.33 | markit | find /home -maxdepth 1 -type d has two problems |
| 17:03.53 | markit | shows tha path name i.e. /home/dir1 and also lists the "home" directory |
| 17:03.55 | markit | any idea? |
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| 17:05.08 | ElDiabolo | Hi. I have a strange case of evolution data corruption. An attachment (pdf) can be read after receiving the mail but gives an error some time later. Looking at the base64 data shows that there is a - in them. This has happened 2 times now. No signs of disk corruption. |
| 17:05.15 | ElDiabolo | Any hints. |
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| 17:08.02 | nkuttler | markit: not really sure what you're trying to do here... but sed/grep |
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| 17:08.12 | markit | for HOMEDIR in $(find /home -maxdepth 1 -mindepth 1 -type d); do ls -d $(basename $HOMEDIR); done |
| 17:08.18 | markit | this seems to work, thanks |
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| 17:09.58 | acu__ | is there a DropBox like solution free/libre which we can setup on our premises ? |
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| 17:10.23 | zykotick9 | acu__: you might want to checkout owncloud it's in wheezy |
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| 17:12.22 | acu__ | zygotick9: thanks this seems to be what I looked for ! Let me see if I am smart enough to install and configure it :) |
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| 17:13.03 | acu__ | zygotick9 |
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| 17:13.25 | zykotick9 | acu__: tab works for nick completion |
| 17:13.32 | acu__ | Freudian slips - Zyko vs Zygo :) |
| 17:13.41 | acu__ | yes, I do not know why it does not work |
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| 17:13.54 | acu__ | zykotick9 ok it works |
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| 17:15.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | markit, cd /home; for name in */; do echo $name; done |
| 17:16.18 | M20 | I still wasn't able to solve my issue, should I somehow report it? |
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| 17:21.22 | Jaleks | if my xscreensaver is -exit'ed and my screen keeps on blanking - which package would that be? |
| 17:21.47 | hoarycripple | M20, were you able to shutdown from the commandline? |
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| 17:24.21 | M20 | hoarycripple, I'm running from cli. I tried all possible shutdown commands :-/ |
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| 17:24.38 | alphaA | hi |
| 17:24.41 | hoarycripple | M20, from the commandline: sudo shutdown -h now |
| 17:24.51 | hoarycripple | M20, did you try that? |
| 17:24.57 | abrotman | ... |
| 17:25.02 | M20 | hoarycripple, I just told you I tried all the possible shutdown commands. |
| 17:25.08 | alphaA | I was wondering if I could have two VG in one PV, with LVM2 (squeeze) |
| 17:25.24 | alphaA | have 1 drive /dev/md1, on PV on it |
| 17:25.36 | abrotman | M20: do you see any errors when you shutdown ? |
| 17:25.41 | alphaA | On I would have two VG on this PV: system and vm |
| 17:25.44 | alphaA | Is it possible ? |
| 17:26.06 | M20 | abortman: nope, it actually shuts down - lights are off, and after less than a second it's back up to the grub |
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| 17:27.37 | Michelfp | Hello, I am running Debian 6 Squeeze 64-bit, and I'm having problems with init [2] consuming 35% CPU. This is a fresh installation |
| 17:27.54 | abrotman | M20: you can try the kernel from experiemntal |
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| 17:28.33 | abrotman | judd: kernels |
| 17:28.34 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 3.7-trunk-686-pae (3.7.3-1~experimental.1); sid: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.35-2); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.35-2); squeeze-backports: 3.2.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.2.35-2~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-46); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-35~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-29) |
| 17:28.38 | M20 | abrotman: do you think it will really help? I've really tried to avoid going into experminetal. Is there a way to check that? |
| 17:28.50 | hoarycripple | M20, how about adding acpi=force apm=power_off to the kernel boot parameters? |
| 17:29.10 | abrotman | apm, really? come on |
| 17:29.29 | M20 | hoarycripple: I will try that, where do I get to the kernel boot parameters? |
| 17:29.40 | abrotman | M20: /etc/default/grub or so |
| 17:29.54 | M20 | yes it's there i remeber now. Few seconds |
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| 17:32.20 | M20 | hoarycripple: problem remains :( |
| 17:32.44 | abrotman | M20: try the experiemntal kenrel .. you don't need all of experimental, just that kernel and its dependencies |
| 17:33.26 | M20 | Alright, if you don't mind (otherwise I'l just go to the documenation and such) - how do I update only the kernel to eperimental? |
| 17:33.44 | Michelfp | Is anybody willing to find a solution to my problem? |
| 17:34.05 | abrotman | M20: you can grab it from packages.debian.org, or use the -t flag from your package manager |
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| 17:40.32 | Michelfp | Hello, I am running Debian 6 Squeeze 64-bit, and I'm having problems with init [2] consuming 35% CPU. This is a fresh installation and I need a solution. |
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| 17:42.21 | _jacks | hi i have this really weird route that is blocking my default gw with the flag U and a gateway 0.0.0.0 |
| 17:42.32 | _jacks | what is it and how can i change the config so it doesnt come up |
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| 17:42.33 | abrotman | _jacks: pastebin |
| 17:42.46 | abrotman | _jacks: pastebin 'uname -a ; route -n' |
| 17:42.56 | abrotman | Michelfp: checked logs for errors? |
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| 17:44.08 | _jacks | http://pastebin.com/KFdh0qiF |
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| 17:44.25 | _jacks | its 2.6.26-2-686 woody |
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| 17:44.52 | abrotman | why? |
| 17:45.36 | abrotman | you have no gw at all |
| 17:45.45 | _jacks | i deleted it |
| 17:45.55 | _jacks | the default |
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| 17:46.33 | abrotman | why are you using woodY? |
| 17:46.44 | _jacks | its the only cd i have at the datacenter |
| 17:46.51 | Michelfp | abrotman, how do I check the logs for errors? I'm new at this, sorry. |
| 17:46.55 | _jacks | why do you think its adding this strange route |
| 17:47.16 | abrotman | uhm .. woody hasn't been supported for about 8 years? |
| 17:47.21 | _jacks | so |
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| 17:47.27 | abrotman | Michelfp: cat /var/log/dmesg.log |
| 17:47.38 | abrotman | _jacks: you don't have a default gw .. install a newer Debian |
| 17:47.45 | _jacks | its impossible. |
| 17:47.52 | _jacks | i dont care if its an old version |
| 17:47.55 | abrotman | you still don't have a default gateway |
| 17:47.58 | _jacks | i just want this route working |
| 17:48.00 | _jacks | well ill add one |
| 17:48.06 | _jacks | it solves nothing |
| 17:48.10 | abrotman | okay |
| 17:48.13 | Michelfp | abrotman, erm. cat: /var/log/dmesg.log: No such file or directory |
| 17:48.17 | zinx | abrotman: ignore solves everything |
| 17:48.24 | abrotman | Michelfp: sorry, /var/log/dmesg |
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| 17:48.52 | _jacks | yup added it. problem still remains |
| 17:49.00 | Michelfp | abrotman: No output. |
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| 17:49.18 | abrotman | _jacks: paste |
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| 17:49.25 | jhutchins | _jacks: I suspect that if you get your networking set up correctly the problem will solve itself. Have a look at the networking guide on the web page and just clean up your setup. |
| 17:49.50 | jhutchins | _jacks: Static or DHCP? |
| 17:49.54 | zinx | jhutchins: he is using woody. |
| 17:50.07 | jhutchins | zinx: So? Woody worked. |
| 17:50.18 | zinx | with NICs of the time it did. |
| 17:50.24 | jhutchins | zinx: They actually had ethernet back then. |
| 17:50.40 | _jacks | http://pastebin.com/N7JYdGjv |
| 17:50.41 | zinx | jhutchins: ethernet devices with drivers that woody actually had, no less |
| 17:50.42 | jhutchins | zinx: Wired nics haven't changed that much, and he's not having driver problems. |
| 17:50.44 | _jacks | its static |
| 17:50.44 | Michelfp | abrotman: I can do cat /var/log/syslog though. |
| 17:50.49 | abrotman | Michelfp: anything ? |
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| 17:51.07 | _jacks | i can't see anything wrong with it |
| 17:51.10 | jhutchins | zinx: He's probably got hardware that was current under woody, so woody's not the issue, it's a config issue. |
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| 17:51.12 | Michelfp | abrotman: http://pastebin.com/17rCKTza |
| 17:51.32 | abrotman | _jacks: which one is your actual gateway? |
| 17:51.34 | jhutchins | Michelfp: You need to use the dmesg command to read the binary ring buffer. |
| 17:51.38 | abrotman | jhutchins: maybe just stop arguing with him? |
| 17:51.44 | zinx | jhutchins: nevertheless, i would rather a woody machine not be connected to the internet :) |
| 17:51.45 | _jacks | 64.251.18.129 |
| 17:52.08 | _jacks | with subnet 255.255.255.128 |
| 17:52.37 | zinx | unless security.debian.org still provides updates for it for some reason, which i kinda doubt :/ |
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| 17:52.47 | _jacks | ill upgrade the distro |
| 17:52.47 | abrotman | zinx: it hasn't in almost 8 years or so |
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| 17:52.58 | abrotman | _jacks: can you even ping your own IP ? |
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| 17:53.17 | _jacks | yes |
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| 17:53.53 | Michelfp | jhutchins, I run dmesg and nothing happens. |
| 17:54.13 | abrotman | Michelfp: were there errors in syslog or messages? |
| 17:54.47 | Michelfp | abrotman, I posted it in here. You probably missed the paste. |
| 17:55.00 | abrotman | probably too many people bickering |
| 17:55.04 | abrotman | oh, i seei tnow |
| 17:55.04 | Michelfp | http://pastebin.com/17rCKTza |
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| 17:55.23 | abrotman | Michelfp: what's up with your syslog? |
| 17:55.35 | Michelfp | I have no idea >.< |
| 17:55.44 | Michelfp | I just got this server on edis.at |
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| 17:56.15 | _jacks | my /etc/network/interfaces has iface eth0 inet static with an address,netmask & gateway specified |
| 17:56.40 | jelly-home | _jacks: missing "network" line? |
| 17:56.41 | _jacks | yet i can't even ping the gateway because i suspect this other route in there is blocking it |
| 17:56.50 | _jacks | hmm |
| 17:56.50 | abrotman | _jacks: bad cable? |
| 17:56.52 | _jacks | maybe.. |
| 17:57.04 | abrotman | you don't need the network or broadcast line |
| 17:57.19 | Michelfp | abrotman, conclusions? |
| 17:57.20 | _jacks | it was working before the raid died |
| 17:57.35 | LordDeath|OSX | how can I change the "default xsession" entry to xfce on every start? |
| 17:57.39 | jelly-home | abrotman: that depends on how old that debian's ifupdown is. |
| 17:57.45 | LordDeath|OSX | on lightdm in debian7 |
| 17:57.50 | abrotman | jelly-home: haven't needed it since sarge i think |
| 17:57.56 | _jacks | how could i delete that misc entry then ? |
| 17:58.00 | _jacks | just to try and confirm my theory |
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| 17:58.10 | _jacks | every route delete command ive tried fails |
| 17:58.33 | jelly-home | abrotman: with a /25 not starting at .0? |
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| 17:58.54 | _jacks | im just using the network details i was provided |
| 17:58.59 | _jacks | do you think its wrong? |
| 17:59.08 | _jacks | :( |
| 17:59.50 | abrotman | jelly-home: pretty sure .. given a netmask/ip .. shuldn't be too hard to guess the others |
| 18:00.34 | jelly-home | and yet I remember making sure to put all the stuff in until etch |
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| 18:00.49 | abrotman | well, then he can add it in |
| 18:01.00 | abrotman | doesn't hurt to add it .. i don't recall having added those lines in a very long time |
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| 18:02.16 | Michelfp | abrotman: What is wrong with my syslog? |
| 18:02.28 | _jacks | if i get this working will i have any problems upgrading from woody->squeeze ? |
| 18:02.57 | abrotman | _jacks: you can't go directly |
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| 18:03.08 | _jacks | oh what should i upgrade to first ? |
| 18:03.20 | abrotman | you have to go through each release |
| 18:03.28 | _jacks | hmm thats a pain okay |
| 18:04.00 | abrotman | right, well, maybe you should have been upgrading the whole time |
| 18:04.02 | jelly-home | or migrate the apps to a fresh install manually |
| 18:06.44 | Debsky | will the hurd be available on |
| 18:06.48 | Debsky | wheezy? |
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| 18:45.14 | mirco | Hi all, I'm running nginx on a squeeze and I want to rewrite all http traffic to https but my rules are ignored. Here's what I've tried so far: |
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| 18:47.05 | mirco | http://pastebin.com/K3bG0zVG |
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| 19:03.45 | fjfalcon | Hi all. I just tryed to compile some apps.. and make wrong export value.. is there anyway to return all variables without reboot? |
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| 19:06.12 | nkuttler | fjfalcon: hm? |
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| 19:08.02 | fjfalcon | nkuttler: is there any way to set default value, after export CPPFLAGS and LDFLAGS? |
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| 19:10.00 | jelly-home | fjfalcon: unset FOO will remove the current value |
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| 19:10.14 | jelly-home | fjfalcon: so, unset CPPFLAGS |
| 19:10.23 | jelly-home | and any others you customized |
| 19:10.31 | fjfalcon | jelly-home: thanks, exactly what i need |
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| 19:15.39 | n00b_dust | kde on debian takes too long to boot, which log file can help me find the cause of the problem? |
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| 19:17.18 | abdostar | I am back, and now using debian |
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| 19:19.38 | Guest20660 | hi |
| 19:20.00 | Guest20660 | I am piping out something to file - now I want that a number part of filename is incremented |
| 19:20.12 | Guest20660 | f.ex. file1, next time a new file file2 and file3 and so on |
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| 19:21.34 | abrotman | define, 'next time' |
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| 19:23.59 | Guest20660 | abrotman: the next time the command is issued |
| 19:24.10 | Guest20660 | so the pipe-to-file part should somehow increment the number |
| 19:24.47 | abrotman | probably have to keep that number in a file somewhere |
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| 19:27.12 | Craphter | I'm starting to install Debian, and I get the first screen which offers me a few methods of installation from my usb stick, but I'm not sure what each option does, and the installation guide says nothing about it. |
| 19:27.42 | Craphter | Can anybody tell me the differences between GUI Expert, GUI Install, Default and GUI Auto? Please |
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| 19:28.07 | Jorssch | GUI install if fine for new users |
| 19:28.24 | Jorssch | it means you have a mouse and windows while you choose how to install Debian |
| 19:28.56 | Jorssch | GUI Expert should give you more freedom on the steps of the installation, yet I'm not quite sure to confirm that |
| 19:28.57 | Craphter | Ok great I imagined that, but I'm not sure about the differences between "expert, install, default and auto" |
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| 19:29.17 | Craphter | Oh, thanks jorssch, I'll go with that then |
| 19:29.26 | Jorssch | anyway |
| 19:29.34 | Jorssch | I can tell you I tried both |
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| 19:29.45 | Jorssch | Expert and Defaul/non-Expert |
| 19:29.56 | Jorssch | and they looked very similar, that time |
| 19:30.14 | Jorssch | so I think you could discover for yourself better than how I told you |
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| 19:30.27 | Craphter | Okay then, thank you :) |
| 19:30.33 | Jorssch | Welcome! :) |
| 19:30.38 | Craphter | Is it just me, or the installation guide is really quite out of date? |
| 19:31.07 | Jorssch | That I don't know. :/ |
| 19:31.33 | Jorssch | PIZZA-TIMEEE |
| 19:31.40 | Craphter | lol |
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| 19:37.15 | martin3z | anyone tried note? cli notes program? how to import text from txt file into note? |
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| 19:38.00 | Michelfp | I'm doing apt-get install htop |
| 19:38.00 | Michelfp | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:38.08 | Michelfp | What can I do to fix this? |
| 19:39.19 | abrotman | judd: versions htop |
| 19:39.20 | judd | Package: htop on i386 -- lenny: 0.7-1; squeeze: 0.8.3-1; wheezy: 1.0.1-1; sid: 1.0.1-4; experimental: 1.0.2-1 |
| 19:39.27 | abrotman | fix your sources.list |
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| 19:40.37 | martin3z | any recommendation for good cli mail program? |
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| 19:41.13 | Michelfp | abrotman, where is sources.list? |
| 19:41.37 | LtL | martin3z: mutt |
| 19:41.48 | abrotman | Michelfp: which version of Debian is this? |
| 19:41.50 | martin3z | ok, ill try |
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| 19:43.26 | abrotman | okay, don't answer |
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| 19:44.24 | Craphter | While installing Debian on a USB Stick, it says "Incorrect CD-ROM detected. The CD-ROM drive contains a CD which cannot be used for installation. Please insert a suitable CD to continue with the installation." |
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| 19:45.53 | Craphter | Any ideas anyone? |
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| 19:51.38 | abrotman | Craphter: did you create your installer with unetbootin ? |
| 19:51.45 | Craphter | abrotman: I did. |
| 19:51.56 | abrotman | that'll fail |
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| 19:52.44 | Craphter | why? |
| 19:52.45 | babilen | dpkg: tell Craphter -about usb install |
| 19:52.50 | Craphter | Which soft should I use? |
| 19:52.52 | babilen | Craphter: Because unetbootin does not work |
| 19:53.03 | Craphter | I see. Which software then? |
| 19:53.22 | Craphter | (For Windows 7) |
| 19:53.49 | babilen | Craphter: You've just received a private message with links to additional information. Which version of Debian do you plan to install? For which use and on what kind of hardware? Do you need UEFI support? |
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| 19:54.13 | babilen | Craphter: You can use the image writer for windows that's linked in the message dpkg (our bot) just sent you. |
| 19:54.28 | Craphter | babilen: I downloaded the standard amd64 |
| 19:54.37 | Craphter | For everyday use, desktop non-server. |
| 19:55.16 | Craphter | I'm not too interested in uefi, but i wouldn't mind it. |
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| 19:55.23 | Craphter | thanks for the links |
| 19:55.38 | babilen | Craphter: I would recommend to install wheezy (the next stable release, which is currently frozen and will be released soon) in that case -- Do you have a working internet connection during the installation? |
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| 19:56.23 | Craphter | Why would you recommend that one? I'm not too much in love with betas. And yes I will have slow internet speed. But stable. |
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| 19:57.16 | Craphter | btw I think the link dpkg gave me is for GNU/Linux systems. I'm currently on Win 7 |
| 19:57.25 | phogg | Craphter: it's not like a beta |
| 19:57.30 | babilen | Craphter: It is much more usable than what you might think of a beta - but it is up to you. OTOH if your computer came with Win7 it is quite likely that you need to upgrade some software in squeeze to support your hardware anyway. Which CPU do you have? |
| 19:57.37 | babilen | dpkg: usb install |
| 19:57.38 | dpkg | You can install Debian from a USB stick/thumbdrive/pen drive/key on x86 systems, as long as your system's BIOS can boot from USB. Details are in the Installation Guide, see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch04s03 and ask me about <install debian> for hybrid CD/DVD images. https://launchpad.net/win32-image-writer/+download to prepare from Windows. BIOS can't boot from USB? Use http://www.plop.at/en/bootmanager.html |
| 19:57.55 | babilen | Craphter: ^^^ there is a win32-image-writer mentioned |
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| 19:58.41 | Craphter | babilen: While I'm currently on a Win 7 system, I won't be installing Debian in this computer, I'll be installing it on an OS-Less laptop. I have an Intel i5 2450 M |
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| 19:59.02 | Craphter | And sorry, I didn't see the win32 image writer |
| 19:59.37 | babilen | yeah, you'll need at least a newer kernel for that one. My recommendation for wheezy still stands. It will be released in about 2-5 months and I wouldn't expect many changes. |
| 19:59.41 | phogg | Craphter: this close to a release the testing branch probably has very few packages that you will actually install which are different from how they will be at release, IOW there's little reason not to use it. |
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| 20:00.45 | Craphter | phogg: Ok then, I'll download wheezy, thanks |
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| 20:00.57 | babilen | Craphter: Either way: You can get a wheezy netinst image with firmware (if you have a working internet connection) from http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/daily-builds/wheezy_d-i/current/ and the others (without firmware) from http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 20:02.04 | phogg | does wheezy's installer support wpa2 yet? |
| 20:02.07 | Craphter | babilen: I'm not sure, I'm looking to download the .iso which enables me to download the least in the future. What I mean is, I want an installation in which I have to install a lot, and download little. |
| 20:02.10 | babilen | phogg: It does, yes |
| 20:02.15 | phogg | babilen: excellent, thanks |
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| 20:02.39 | babilen | Craphter: How often are you using that medium for installations? On how many machines? |
| 20:03.08 | babilen | (or rather: how often do you plan to reinstall?) |
| 20:03.12 | Craphter | I'm not entierly sure what you mean. I'll be using my usb stick for a one-time installation on a single laptop. |
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| 20:03.26 | Craphter | Oh. I won't be reinstalling it. |
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| 20:03.28 | Craphter | at all |
| 20:03.53 | babilen | Craphter: In that case I would recommend to download the netinstall and then just download everything else during the installation. That way you'll only download what you need. |
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| 20:04.20 | Craphter | babilen: So if I download the full installation CD I'd be getting thing I do not need? Why is that? |
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| 20:04.34 | babilen | Craphter: (as there might be stuff on the larger images (CD, DVD, BD) that you will not install but that would still be downloaded as part of the initial image download |
| 20:04.41 | babilen | ) |
| 20:04.51 | phogg | s/might be/almost certainly will be/ |
| 20:04.55 | phogg | Debian is huge |
| 20:05.04 | Craphter | Hmm ok then, I'll download wheezy's netinstall. |
| 20:05.18 | Arrowmaster | if you are installing with a netconnection just use the netinstall, if you dont have a net connection during the install its better to use the dvd image instead of the cd image |
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| 20:05.43 | babilen | Craphter: What is being installed depends on your selections during the installation and some packages on the images might be outdated already. Think about it like this: The netinstall installer will download /exactly/ the right number of packages to install according to your wishes. |
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| 20:06.57 | Craphter | Right, that makes sense! Now I have a little problem, I'm from south america, and debian's webpage automatically outputs the webpage in Spanish, which is cool, but I'm guessing quite outdated and not too specific. Would you mind giving me the link to wheezy's netinstall? |
| 20:07.22 | Arrowmaster | http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
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| 20:08.36 | phogg | Craphter: most pages will have a bunch of links toward the bottom to other translations, including english. |
| 20:08.58 | Craphter | phogg: They do indeed, but I couldn't find the main webpage translations. |
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| 20:09.07 | Craphter | and thanks Arrowmaster |
| 20:09.34 | Craphter | yeah, in spanish theres' the beta 3, but not the beta4 |
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| 20:18.29 | Giuaigx | hello, i can't get Deb installed on a server (ibm xseries 345) |
| 20:19.02 | Giuaigx | i can create root/user with password but then install block on hw search |
| 20:19.22 | Giuaigx | i think blocked just before partmanager |
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| 20:25.51 | jishua | After upgrading Samba in Debian from 3.5 to 3.6, it suddenly stopped working. It denies access to my folders for my guest user. I can access them with su. The logs are empty (apart from the fact that nmbd says it can't send |
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| 20:26.06 | jishua | packets to the broadcast address, errno=Invalid Argument) |
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| 20:26.44 | jishua | The problem doesn't seem to have anything to do with nmbd, though, and I have no idea what might be causing it. |
| 20:26.52 | TheVoid | try feeding it milk |
| 20:28.09 | jishua | It works fine as a master for the workgroup, though. |
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| 20:30.20 | jishua | There have been no writes to the smbd logs since last week, when I upgraded Samba. |
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| 20:32.54 | babilen | Craphter: I've already given you a link to the netinstall /with/ firmware. I would strongly recommend to use that one and it was: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/daily-builds/wheezy_d-i/current/ |
| 20:33.18 | Craphter | babilen: Oh right, thanks! |
| 20:33.22 | Craphter | I will download that one then |
| 20:33.32 | babilen | ;) |
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| 20:35.20 | Craphter | Although I did use the win 32 image writer, and it corrupted my USB. |
| 20:35.32 | Craphter | After burning it, I ended with a 4 mb usb stick. |
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| 20:36.50 | jishua | When I strace smbd, it fails to chdir to the directory with EACCESS. Just before failing, it does do setreuid(guest). guest is in the pub group, and the directory is owned by it, with 770 permissions. I can access it after `su guest' |
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| 20:37.15 | jishua | How do you set up permissions on Linux, or in other words what do you need to access a directory owned by a certain group? |
| 20:37.35 | wols | !permissions |
| 20:37.35 | dpkg | For information on permissions, read info coreutils 'File Permissions', http://mywiki.wooledge.org/Permissions and http://www.comptechdoc.org/os/linux/usersguide/linux_ugfilesp.html . For further information, see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unix_permission and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chmod and follow the setuid and setgid links within. See also <ssh permissions>, <qotd232>. http://wiki.debian.org/Permissions |
| 20:37.43 | jishua | e.g. can doing setregid break access to a directory |
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| 20:38.47 | jishua | If guest is in the groups pub and guest, and the process does setregid(guest) without first doing setgroups(), will it be denied access to a directory owned by root:pub? |
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| 20:40.38 | jishua | Or rather, Samba does setgroups([]), throwing out all extra groups. I think that's the problem. :( It seems that I can't use groups with the new samba |
| 20:41.54 | caf | you might need to ask about that on the samba mailing list |
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| 20:46.50 | Guest79415 | Hi if a .deb package has multiple utils in it, how can I install just one? |
| 20:47.23 | wols | you can't |
| 20:47.53 | wols | you can extract the .deb content however and copy whatever you want to wherever you want |
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| 20:48.25 | jishua | Guest79415: It might be useful to say for what purpose, someone might come with an alternative :) |
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| 20:50.13 | erob | hi, from 1-10 how hard is to create a live debian image to fork a new debian derived distro? |
| 20:50.22 | Guest79415 | I just dont want a lot of utils that metapackage has, just that one |
| 20:51.50 | erob | right |
| 20:51.58 | erob | noted :) |
| 20:53.14 | Jorssch | Fellas, I wanted to try a more command line approach with Linux and UNIX |
| 20:53.29 | Jorssch | so I decided not to install the GUI |
| 20:53.32 | Craphter | erob: That depends on your skils |
| 20:53.36 | peterrooney | erob: 10. And hope you didn't enjoy a social life anyways. |
| 20:53.41 | cusco | Guest79415: what if that util depends on some lib ? |
| 20:53.43 | erob | lol |
| 20:53.53 | cusco | Guest79415: anyway you can extract the .deb contents and try whatever you want |
| 20:53.54 | erob | thx.. |
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| 20:54.20 | Jorssch | now, someone told me I could try a Windows Manager, instead of a Desktop Environment |
| 20:54.37 | cusco | Jorssch: seems a good way, you just need to force your self to keep using it |
| 20:54.37 | Jorssch | before that, I did not notice the difference |
| 20:54.47 | cusco | Jorssch: a window manager is included in a desktop environment |
| 20:55.08 | cusco | !de |
| 20:55.08 | dpkg | Deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net or irc.belwue.de). |
| 20:55.12 | cusco | oops |
| 20:55.17 | cusco | !start a de war |
| 20:55.17 | dpkg | GNOME sucks! |
| 20:55.20 | cusco | lol |
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| 20:55.39 | Jorssch | LOL! cusco, they told me I could install a window manager |
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| 20:55.47 | wols | Jorssch: and your problem is? |
| 20:55.57 | Jorssch | I tried and installed awesome |
| 20:56.01 | Jorssch | buut.. |
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| 20:56.23 | Jorssch | when I type in "awesome" it spits out E: main:445: cannot open display |
| 20:57.17 | Jorssch | (btw, command line approach is really really cool, the only thing is that there might be a better way to become familiar with the terminal.. but this way is really the first that came up to my mind) |
| 20:57.40 | jishua | Jorssch: You can use a full-blown desktop environment, open a terminal and stick to it. It's easier. |
| 20:58.01 | Jorssch | jishua, what do you mean? |
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| 20:58.26 | Jorssch | go back to classic DEs? |
| 20:58.41 | jishua | Jorssch: Your window manager requires X. You have not started it. You can either start it manually, or tell your kdm/gdm/xdm to start it for you. |
| 20:58.57 | cusco | I don't see a problem a nd use gnome, and using gnome-terminal to explore |
| 20:59.32 | jishua | Jorssch: If you really want to learn to use the command line, learning to do those things might not be what you want :) |
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| 20:59.52 | Jorssch | cusco: I almost never used gnome-terminal when provided with GNOME.. :/ that's my fault though |
| 21:00.09 | Jorssch | jishua, tell me more |
| 21:00.15 | Jorssch | I'm really, really interested |
| 21:00.36 | Jorssch | define "those things" |
| 21:00.39 | Jorssch | :D |
| 21:00.46 | Jorssch | (jishua) |
| 21:01.10 | Jorssch | and btw, I can't type "startx" |
| 21:01.34 | Jorssch | I'll give a try with root account, but I think it's not included in the basic Debian w/o GUI |
| 21:01.36 | jishua | Jorssch: X11, the display manager, the window manager, the desktop environment, etc. |
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| 21:02.15 | nkuttler | Jorssch: /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 21:02.22 | Jorssch | oh ok, so you mean that if I want to learn to use command line, I should not bother window managers & co? |
| 21:02.27 | Jorssch | (jishua^) |
| 21:02.43 | cusco | startx comes with xinit package |
| 21:02.54 | Jorssch | thanks for the info, cusco |
| 21:03.02 | Jorssch | nkuttler: what do I need that for? |
| 21:03.04 | jishua | Jorssch: Oh, no harm in learning them, but at the moment it's making it more difficult for you to launch a dozen of terminals and start working in them :) |
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| 21:03.10 | Jorssch | nkuttler, error logs? |
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| 21:03.37 | Jorssch | jishua, hmm, I think I see what you mena |
| 21:03.38 | Jorssch | mean* |
| 21:03.47 | nkuttler | Jorssch: why can't you type startx? is your keyboard broken? |
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| 21:03.57 | Jorssch | now that I have "only" 6 tty consoles available |
| 21:04.13 | Jorssch | nkuttler, sorry, I mean it's not a recognised command |
| 21:04.29 | Jorssch | Off topic: what's tty btw? |
| 21:04.43 | nkuttler | Jorssch: yeah, what cusco said |
| 21:04.49 | Jorssch | nkuttler: right |
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| 21:06.21 | Jorssch | so, it might be better to install a windows manager, since I'll have more possibilities and potentiality with command line too? |
| 21:07.07 | jishua | Jorssch: TTY literally means the terminal (a physical one, with keyboard) that you type on, that then spills the response on the sheet of paper like a typewriter :) |
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| 21:07.28 | Jorssch | haha, very old definition then |
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| 21:09.26 | Jorssch | found it: "teletype", "teletypewriter" |
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| 21:09.42 | kro[au] | What version number will Wheezy be ? |
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| 21:09.44 | Jorssch | btw, do you confirm I'd better install xinit? |
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| 21:10.03 | erob | of courses |
| 21:10.30 | Jorssch | (Y) |
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| 21:10.42 | erob | i much better like xinit to the xdm stuff.. :) |
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| 21:11.36 | Jorssch | I'm just looking for the most minimal graphical interface :) |
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| 21:11.50 | erob | xfce4? |
| 21:12.04 | erob | kinda lightweight.. |
| 21:12.12 | erob | imho.. |
| 21:12.14 | Jorssch | during my adventuring with command-line only, I even discovered the mine sweeper on aptitude :) |
| 21:12.21 | nkuttler | Jorssch: i use openbox. pretty lightweight |
| 21:12.34 | Jorssch | erob, yeah, it's really lightweight, but it's not minimal |
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| 21:13.08 | Jorssch | nkuttler: I think openbox (and *box in general) are more like what I'm thinking of |
| 21:13.40 | Jorssch | yet since I'm experienced with anything else but with Ubuntu, I cannot say and I'd like to try some crazy configurations |
| 21:13.54 | Jorssch | s/crazy/"crazy"/ |
| 21:14.18 | Jorssch | Juuust installed xinit. Trying to run it... |
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| 21:15.20 | kro[au] | Can anyone confirm Wheezy will be version 7.0 ? (Confused as the /releases page has 2.1 2.2 3.0 3.1 which doesnt follow suit with the more recent 4/5/6 |
| 21:15.28 | ksdncv | you dont need to install entire xfce either, with only parts of it works too |
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| 21:16.28 | ksdncv | if you only want the window manager, installing xfwm4 is enough, although you might want xfce4-settings-manager to configure it, which will bring some extra stuff in |
| 21:16.55 | Jorssch | ksdncv: interesting. What's xfce4-settings-manager? |
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| 21:17.16 | Jorssch | while xfwm4 seems like "XF Windows Manager 4" |
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| 21:17.19 | Jorssch | pretty straight |
| 21:17.21 | ksdncv | gui for configuring installed xfce components |
| 21:17.33 | Jorssch | oh, anyway |
| 21:17.39 | Jorssch | got errors with startx |
| 21:17.40 | Jorssch | :/ |
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| 21:17.47 | ksdncv | only way that know of to configure xfwm4 |
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| 21:17.58 | mnice | hello |
| 21:18.05 | Jorssch | (hello mnice) |
| 21:18.29 | mnice | how can I print a date in format +%Y\ %m\ %d, but N days back ? |
| 21:18.58 | mnice | so something like: date +%Y\ %m\ %d -N days ? |
| 21:19.20 | dondelelcaro | mnice: date -d '5 days ago' +'%Y %m %d' |
| 21:19.51 | mnice | o.O |
| 21:19.54 | mnice | incredible |
| 21:19.59 | mnice | dondelelcaro: o.O |
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| 21:20.17 | Jorssch | it works??? |
| 21:20.26 | mnice | dondelelcaro: what;s that leading string '5 days ago' ?? |
| 21:20.33 | mnice | obviously |
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| 21:20.54 | ksdncv | interesting, didnt know that would work |
| 21:21.01 | mnice | yeah, same here |
| 21:21.05 | Jorssch | and here :D |
| 21:21.16 | Jorssch | dondelelcaro +1 |
| 21:21.20 | Jorssch | :D |
| 21:21.24 | mnice | dondelelcaro++ |
| 21:21.42 | mnice | thanks much guys !! |
| 21:22.02 | Jorssch | for me that line does not work |
| 21:22.04 | Jorssch | :/ |
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| 21:22.52 | Jorssch | oh, found the bug |
| 21:22.55 | mnice | dondelelcaro: don't you please know some "more safe" format of that ? the script i'm working on will run on various linuxes |
| 21:23.36 | Jorssch | is astonishing, it *absolutely* requires NO space between + and ' |
| 21:23.54 | mnice | date -d '-5 days' +'%Y %m %d' |
| 21:23.57 | mnice | ^^ also works |
| 21:24.03 | Jorssch | :D |
| 21:24.08 | mnice | so '-5 days' == '5 days ago' |
| 21:24.20 | Jorssch | maybe '-5 d' could too |
| 21:24.21 | dondelelcaro | mnice: I don't remember when date added support for that, but it's existed for a very long time |
| 21:24.23 | Jorssch | trying |
| 21:24.39 | dondelelcaro | mnice: if you really want it to work absolutely everywhere, you can use perl and strftime |
| 21:24.57 | mnice | dondelelcaro: thanks very much man .. you showed me something what i really didn't know, no matter that i'm rhce, clp, whatever |
| 21:25.22 | Jorssch | RHCE???? |
| 21:25.24 | dondelelcaro | mnice: no problem. info date; has the full documentation on all of the strange things you can do with date |
| 21:25.30 | Jorssch | Red Hat Certified Expert? |
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| 21:25.44 | mnice | dondelelcaro: yeah .. thanks for the hint ... i have to use shell instead of perl right now |
| 21:26.32 | Jorssch | startx fails to load X |
| 21:26.35 | mnice | Jorssch: type into an address field of your web browser: google.com and then type into the search filed "linux rhce" |
| 21:26.40 | mnice | without quotes |
| 21:26.57 | mnice | **field |
| 21:27.28 | Jorssch | mnice: ok. |
| 21:27.50 | Jorssch | Cert. Engineer |
| 21:28.18 | Jorssch | They are expensive certifications isn't it? |
| 21:28.38 | Jorssch | mnice, if you had a certification, I'd like to ask you something |
| 21:29.12 | Jorssch | because I noticed them recently and I wondered if they could be useful |
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| 21:29.30 | Jorssch | I don't know if I should ask you via PM |
| 21:29.37 | nander | Hi, I did something terribly stupid and was wondering if I could still fix it.. |
| 21:29.50 | Jorssch | tell us nander |
| 21:30.01 | nander | I accidentally did passwd -l root without having any other root users and no sudo |
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| 21:30.11 | nander | is there a way to fix it? |
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| 21:30.32 | nander | I know that would be a security vulnerability, but I wouldn't want to have to set up everything again |
| 21:30.35 | Arrowmaster | single user mode probably |
| 21:30.54 | nander | how do I enter that? |
| 21:31.00 | mnice | Jorssch: spit it out |
| 21:31.06 | Jorssch | and LiveCD? Wouldn't that work? Arrowmaster |
| 21:31.17 | Arrowmaster | yeah or livecd |
| 21:31.33 | Arrowmaster | single user mode can be entered from the bootloader |
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| 21:32.48 | Jorssch | at GRUB screen, you press 'e' on the keyboard on the Linux OS you have to bot |
| 21:32.50 | Jorssch | boot* |
| 21:32.53 | mnice | i have another stupid Q: .. how can I specify in variable a desired output to print, eg: _outp='>/dev/null'; echo "$somemessage" $_outp |
| 21:33.06 | mnice | ^^ this doesn't work and prints withing echo >/dev/null |
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| 21:37.45 | atomfire | Hi everyone. I'm having a very strange issue on my powerbook G4, running Wheezy. I put the laptop away a couple of weeks ago and when I started it up the other day, all of my fonts in my DE appear the opposite color of what they should. |
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| 21:38.06 | atomfire | Everything that should be black is white, the green text in my terminal is purple, the red text is aqua, etc |
| 21:38.26 | nander | cannot lock on /etc/shadow |
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| 21:38.49 | atomfire | This is in XFCE, I purged and reinstalled it, didn't help. I also installed Gnome but it's doing the exact same thing |
| 21:39.16 | petemc | atomfire: powerbooks can degrade in strange and interesting ways |
| 21:39.21 | petemc | ime |
| 21:39.52 | atomfire | petemc: oh heck |
| 21:39.54 | petemc | are you able to run the apple hardware test? |
| 21:40.01 | atomfire | petemc: that's exactly what I didn't want to hear |
| 21:40.07 | atomfire | petemc: I don't know how I'd do that |
| 21:40.37 | atomfire | it's only the fonts, everything else in my graphical desktop is correct |
| 21:40.39 | petemc | you need the cd |
| 21:40.49 | atomfire | I think I have it, I'll look for that |
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| 21:41.17 | atomfire | All of my icons, background, terminal colors (except the fonts) are correct |
| 21:41.18 | zinx | every apple laptop i've worked on has been an absolute nightmare, but i hear some models actually let you get to the HD and/or ram without disassembling the whole thing |
| 21:41.19 | erob | fb24_32.c:464:5: error: '_X_UNUSED' undeclared (first use in this function) |
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| 21:41.31 | erob | is this a xorg symbol ? |
| 21:41.33 | atomfire | zinx: yup I've heard the same thing |
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| 21:43.50 | Jorssch | Guys, certain times questions are more important than answers, and I might have found the *question*! To become one who knows how to fix general problems on linux(then, unix), what do I need to do? Just extensively use linux/unix? Like, say, I've done with windows? |
| 21:44.15 | petemc | theres no substitute for experience |
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| 21:44.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | yes... though, reading here what people asks and what turns out to really be the question might also help |
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| 21:45.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | although here is rather debian-specific |
| 21:45.17 | Jorssch | Oh, ok then. :) |
| 21:45.32 | Jorssch | It'll be a looong (hard?) journey. |
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| 21:46.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | dunno... |
| 21:46.20 | petemc | if you enjoy it it wont be hard |
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| 21:47.09 | Jorssch | One enjoys funny things. When I explored Windows I was pretty free to roam on the hard disk and pretty sure not to harm the system |
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| 21:47.22 | Jorssch | so I think it looked like "a game" |
| 21:47.24 | jhutchins | Jorssch: you need to learn formal, systematic troubleshooting, and a good deal about how the system works and is built. |
| 21:47.38 | Jorssch | jhutchins: thanks for the answer |
| 21:48.04 | jhutchins | Jorssch: There is some very good documentation on the 'net - the System Administrator's Guide is a good thing to learn. |
| 21:48.19 | nander | mount -o rw,remount / << This in recovery mode solved my problem |
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| 21:49.01 | Jorssch | "a good deal about how the system works and is built" <-- do you mean at Operative System level? |
| 21:49.13 | Jorssch | is that book to be found on internet? jhutchins |
| 21:50.23 | jhutchins | Jorssch: Yes, at http://tldp.org and other places. |
| 21:50.31 | Jorssch | Okay, thanks! |
| 21:50.50 | jhutchins | Jorssch: You really don't need to know the mechanics of the os, but about how the various processes make up the system, and how they interact. |
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| 21:51.24 | jhutchins | Jorssch: The Debian web page has some good guides on a lot of topics. |
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| 21:51.42 | jhutchins | Jorssch: Try things, mess with things, break things and learn how to fix them. |
| 21:52.02 | Jorssch | can you point some good places from where to start? |
| 21:52.07 | Jorssch | jhutchins ^ |
| 21:52.24 | Jorssch | Oh, maybe you already did? |
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| 21:52.30 | jhutchins | Jorssch: I'd say the SAG and the Debian users guides. |
| 21:52.31 | Jorssch | "try things" etc? |
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| 21:52.51 | Jorssch | as places from where to start? |
| 21:52.53 | jhutchins | These channels are helpful as well, there's an army of people here breaking things for you to figure out how to fix. |
| 21:53.01 | Jorssch | :D |
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| 21:53.48 | erob | wtf is __X_UNUSED for and can this be from a missing xorg- package ? |
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| 21:54.16 | AFlyingMonkey | Does anyone have a good link explaining how to compile a program from source or just tell me the path I should be compiling to on debian (Ive read up on configure, make, and Im guessing the directory is /bin, just thought Id cover my bases |
| 21:54.21 | AFlyingMonkey | )?* |
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| 21:54.51 | petemc | AFlyingMonkey: normally compiling from source will default to using /usr/local/ |
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| 21:55.37 | Wulf | Hi |
| 21:55.45 | Jorssch | I have this problem with X: "unable to start X: missing .xsession file, missing .Xsession file (it actually exists!), no session managers, no windows managers and no terminal emulators foound; aborting." |
| 21:56.06 | Wulf | apt-cacher-ng is not starting on boot. Why? How would I debug that? |
| 21:56.33 | AFlyingMonkey | petemc: Im trying to compile xinetd, Im gussing that that shouldnt be compiled to /local/usr (Ill probably do a test compile there though) |
| 21:56.34 | Jorssch | (I only installed xinit) |
| 21:57.11 | AFlyingMonkey | or is /usr/local the proper target directory under most circumstances? |
| 21:58.23 | peterrooney | AFlyingMonkey: /usr/local |
| 21:59.24 | jhutchins | So the older Amarok had a pretty good music player interface. What do we have in more current software like exaile that might work in xfce? |
| 21:59.34 | AFlyingMonkey | peterrooney: ok. Is that under all circumstances or specific to xinetd? Thanks :) |
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| 22:00.15 | jhutchins | Jorssch: Are you using a DM or trying to start X directly? |
| 22:00.50 | Jorssch | jhutchins: typing startx would be "start x directly" ? If so, there you go |
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| 22:01.48 | peterrooney | AFlyingMonkey: no, merely the common location for non-packaged software. See http://www.pathname.com/fhs/2.2/fhs-4.9.html |
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| 22:03.09 | peterrooney | !/usr/local |
| 22:03.09 | dpkg | When hand-compiling software, *always* create a new directory under /usr/local, then install into it. For example: mkdir -p /usr/local/mypackage; ./configure --prefix=/usr/local/mypackage. Otherwise, it can overwrite files which should be protected by apt, which can break apt, or apt can break this application's files because it doesn't know about them. See also: <equivs>, <FHS>, </opt>, <checkinstall>, <stow>, <make your own .deb> |
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| 22:04.37 | meLon | I opened a program that set my resolution to something not supported by my monitor. I have killed said program, but I am unable to reset my resolution over ssh. Any suggestions? |
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| 22:06.59 | jeeves_moss | how can I recover the pictures from an SD card? I've tried to use testdisk, and it can't see the partition |
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| 22:07.40 | dbanet | how the hell so many people o___o |
| 22:07.49 | dbanet | hi everybody |
| 22:08.17 | dbanet | valeriusL valeriusN |
| 22:08.24 | valeriusN | dbanet hi ;) |
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| 22:12.54 | wildc4rd | is Java SE 7 available for Debian? |
| 22:13.28 | zinx | wildc4rd: depending on the release you are running, you can use java-package to install it |
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| 22:13.41 | peterrooney | meLon: what have you tried? eg. xrandr -d :0 --size WidthxHeight |
| 22:13.52 | babilen | ,v openjdk-7-jre |
| 22:13.53 | judd | Package: openjdk-7-jre on i386 -- wheezy: 7u3-2.1.3-1; sid: 7u3-2.1.4-1; experimental: 7u9-2.3.4-1 |
| 22:13.57 | babilen | wildc4rd: ^^^ |
| 22:14.11 | zinx | or, yes, you can use openjdk |
| 22:14.37 | Jorssch | any ideas for the X problem? |
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| 22:14.49 | babilen | OpenJDK is the reference implementation for Java 7 and there really is no reason to use the Oracle one (apart from that one being awkward to install) |
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| 22:15.34 | Jorssch | definitely got to go now |
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| 22:16.43 | wildc4rd | its a friends system I'm on (ubuntu, sorry) at the moment running the openjdk 7, he says that wheezy is still on version 6 and the version 7 doesn't show as an option |
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| 22:20.02 | freeman | hi guys how I can configure grub that it rembers my last decision after rebooting |
| 22:20.10 | babilen | wildc4rd: openjdk 7 is in wheezy (and sid) -- no idea about Ubuntu (ask #ubuntu about that) |
| 22:21.18 | babilen | freeman: info -f grub -n 'Simple configuration → GRUB_SAVEDEFAULT + GRUB_DEFAULT=saved (in /etc/default/grub) |
| 22:21.33 | babilen | freeman: Don't forget to run "update-grub2" after making changes there |
| 22:22.00 | freeman | ah ok thats it and can i protect before I boot with a password or only the configuration |
| 22:22.14 | freeman | thanks |
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| 22:28.36 | hellyeah | hey |
| 22:28.45 | hellyeah | i cannot use desktop why |
| 22:28.51 | hellyeah | there is no home computer icon |
| 22:29.01 | hellyeah | no trash bin icon it is like that |
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| 22:30.39 | hellyeah | http://i45.tinypic.com/3509qh1.png |
| 22:30.39 | wenceslaus | Hello, I've been trying to get sound working through an integrated Realtek ALC 655 card of an Emachines K8MC51G Motherboard, but have not been able to get the line out working. pastebin.com/XtUKeptL has some more info. |
| 22:32.41 | jhutchins | !tell wenceslaus about alsa checklist |
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| 22:33.20 | jhutchins | jordanm: permissions |
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| 22:38.43 | wenceslaus | Alright, I am in the audio group, Noise.wav can |
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| 22:39.30 | babilen | hellyeah: Yeah, that is Gnome3 -- See http://www.gnome.org/gnome-3/ for an overview |
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| 22:40.05 | hellyeah | thats the gnome issue ? |
| 22:40.51 | babilen | hellyeah: It's not an issue. It is supposed to be like that. |
| 22:40.58 | wenceslaus | ..'t be heard, alsa-utils is installed, ALSA version is at 1.0.24, the INTEL ICH card has been detected in /proc/asound/cards/ and is listed in the aplay -L output. |
| 22:42.14 | babilen | hellyeah: move your mouse into the upper left corner and start nautilus (File Manager) if you are looking for that. (or use the Windows key) |
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| 22:43.35 | hellyeah | hmm |
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| 22:43.47 | hellyeah | from now one there is no computer icon or trash bin or home icon? |
| 22:44.12 | mtn | hellyeah: install gnome-tweak-tool and you can have them |
| 22:44.16 | zinx | hellyeah: those were too hard for GNOME3's imaginary users to understand |
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| 22:45.59 | hellyeah | what do you mean "imaginary users" |
| 22:46.18 | mtn | he is trolling |
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| 22:47.21 | wenceslaus | I've gone through the ALSA checklist and everything seems to be in shape, and I the output of the alsa-info.sh script if that would be useful. |
| 22:47.24 | babilen | hellyeah: forget it, zinx is trolling (and should stop!) -- If you don't like Gnome3 at all then there are many alternatives such as XFCE (http://www.xfce.org), but you definitely want to take a look at the Gnome extensions too at https://extensions.gnome.org/ |
| 22:47.27 | hellyeah | what |
| 22:47.42 | hellyeah | ha |
| 22:47.45 | mtn | and hellyeah is having the same conversation on two channels! |
| 22:47.53 | babilen | hellyeah: Some people dislike the way Gnome developed, others love it. |
| 22:48.13 | hellyeah | mta doo you mean other servers |
| 22:48.26 | hellyeah | sometimes no one answer for a long time |
| 22:48.33 | hellyeah | thats why i asked in two servers |
| 22:48.49 | mtn | hellyeah: and answers in both, too |
| 22:48.58 | hellyeah | i like the way gnome developed |
| 22:49.17 | hellyeah | but it would be good to have small program in gnome-panel |
| 22:49.28 | hellyeah | i just asked in two channels |
| 22:49.39 | hellyeah | and they stated talking at the same time |
| 22:49.44 | hellyeah | and i have to respond i guess |
| 22:49.47 | erob | phew gnome=fat |
| 22:50.10 | erob | xfce4 is much leaner.. :) |
| 22:50.20 | zinx | i used gnome until it went to 3 and stopped supporting multiple monitors in a way that was usable for me :/ |
| 22:50.39 | hellyeah | hmm |
| 22:50.48 | hellyeah | i used to use gnome too much :D |
| 22:50.58 | zinx | (no idea what it does now, but back then it just forced the second monitor to only have one 'virtual desktop') |
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| 22:51.23 | zinx | previous gnome, using just about any WM, switched the virtual desktop on both monitors |
| 22:51.46 | zinx | i still use gtk+ / gnome apps, just not the DE :/ |
| 22:53.13 | babilen | hellyeah: |
| 22:53.46 | hellyeah | hmm |
| 22:54.07 | babilen | hellyeah: Just don't cross-post. It is rude and unnecessary. (in particular in active channels like this) -- You can always right-click on programs in the overview and add them to the panel (but you might want to read the gnome manual to learn how to use it) |
| 22:54.31 | hellyeah | babilen: |
| 22:54.52 | hellyeah | dont get me wrong but the guy in the other server suggested me to use gnome-shell |
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| 22:56.00 | babilen | hellyeah: Gnome 3 /is/ gnome-shell (sigh) -- https://live.gnome.org/GnomeShell/Tour + https://live.gnome.org/GnomeShell/CheatSheet + google yourself |
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| 22:57.21 | hellyeah | i wish i can get something similar to compiz |
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| 23:00.30 | hellyeah | night |
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| 23:01.37 | le_n00B | hey folks, can anyone tell me if it's possible to run the 3.6 kernel via apt ? I'm running wheezy at the moment |
| 23:01.45 | le_n00B | s/run/install/ |
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| 23:03.01 | cthompson67 | Do I need all 3 wheezy beta 4 dvd's? Or can I use just dvd 1? |
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| 23:05.36 | w0rm-_x | I just installed Debian, and it came with java 1.5.0 installed, I need to remove it to install the latest version of java |
| 23:05.47 | w0rm-_x | how do I remove it? |
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| 23:20.18 | Bronze | hi, i have a usb booted system which automatically brings up the wired ethernet connection at boot time, but some time later, not too long, I get a report that the network has been disconnected. Where should I start looking to find out why? |
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| 23:21.25 | erob | Bronze: how about dmesg ? |
| 23:21.54 | erob | /var/log/dmesg |
| 23:21.57 | w0rm-_x | Hi, I just installed Debian, and it came with java 1.5.0 installed, I need to remove it to install the latest version of java, how do I remove it? |
| 23:22.16 | abrotman | w0rm-_x: with your package manager |
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| 23:22.34 | sweed | hi guys |
| 23:23.02 | sweed | I want to install debian for mips architecture on Huawei EchoLife HG553, so is it compatible? |
| 23:23.37 | abrotman | sweed: ask #mipslinux or check the install guide |
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| 23:23.44 | Devastator | I don't think so, as it wouldn't have enough space for debian |
| 23:23.46 | Bronze | erob: there doesn't seem to be dmesg or even a general syslog under /var/log. Note - this usb bootable system is a Knoppix system, based on debian but I have no idea of whats different. Sadly Knoppix doesn't have much in the way of good community based support, just forums which seem to be only lightly tarfficed. |
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| 23:24.03 | Bronze | *trafficed. |
| 23:24.09 | w0rm-_x | abrotman, I tried apt-get remove java, but it says "E: Unable to locate package java" |
| 23:24.09 | erob | werid |
| 23:24.15 | Bronze | So I'm going to have to dig into a lot of stuff. |
| 23:24.59 | sweed | abrotman: ok thanks |
| 23:25.06 | Bronze | erob: I suspect that not logging m,uch is a deliberate choice because there is little sapce on the usb based fuile system and onece it is full, you can't boot. (learned this in an earlier attempt) |
| 23:25.16 | erob | Bronze: i remember knoppix... long time i didn't tried that.. i recommend you just switch to a real debian based sys |
| 23:25.32 | Bronze | sorry forthe typos. nerve damage. |
| 23:25.38 | abrotman | Bronze: this channel doesn't support knoppix .. try #knoppix or ##linux |
| 23:25.40 | erob | np |
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| 23:26.03 | Bronze | erob: any suggestions for a usb based debian system? |
| 23:26.20 | erob | yikes |
| 23:26.23 | abrotman | Bronze: live.debian.net |
| 23:26.44 | erob | puppy linux ? :) |
| 23:26.53 | abrotman | how about Debian? |
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| 23:27.15 | Bronze | abrotman: thats OK, I'm looking for generral knowledge re debian in any form the folks here are willing to communicate. |
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| 23:27.48 | abrotman | Bronze: this channel supports Debian, not things based on it .. so you can try the Debian usb live system, or try ##linux to see what others suggest |
| 23:27.50 | Bronze | erob: is puppy debain based |
| 23:28.00 | Bronze | *debian based? |
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| 23:28.20 | abrotman | Bronze: last warning |
| 23:29.00 | Bronze | abrotman: I am asking if puppy is debian based, is that off-topic? |
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| 23:29.17 | abrotman | yes |
| 23:29.17 | erob | Bronze: nah i don't think so... srry |
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| 23:29.36 | abrotman | Bronze: ask #puppylinux |
| 23:29.38 | abrotman | or ask google |
| 23:29.40 | abrotman | or ##linux |
| 23:29.52 | Bronze | abrotman: I am happily willing to try the debian usb system. SDoes it have a special name or location? |
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| 23:30.10 | Bronze | erob: thanks anyway. i appreciate the help. |
| 23:30.10 | abrotman | i told you five minutes ago |
| 23:30.28 | Bronze | abrotman: ah, so you did. Thank you. |
| 23:31.33 | erob | np |
| 23:31.57 | erob | Bronze: abrotman is probably on PMS. don't worry about it :) |
| 23:32.21 | Bronze | abrotman: please be aware that I can't physically see much of what comes my way due to physical limitation and some severe disabilities. But Thanks for the any help you can give. |
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| 23:33.01 | Bronze | erob: he mnay also have some ire stored up from several years ago when I was the only active op on ##linux. :-) |
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| 23:34.41 | abrotman | erob: not amused |
| 23:35.34 | Ludwig | Is there a way besides chrooting to get apt to use ~/etc instead of /etc ? |
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| 23:35.56 | abrotman | Ludwig: why would you want to do that? |
| 23:36.07 | abrotman | Ludwig: are you trying to relocate packages on a system you don't have root on ? |
| 23:36.10 | Ludwig | I'd like to use package management on a machine I don't have root on |
| 23:36.28 | abrotman | Ludwig: you could just extract it manually |
| 23:36.34 | Ludwig | dpkg -i |
| 23:36.34 | dpkg | Ludwig: I give up, what is it? |
| 23:36.57 | Ludwig | but that doesn't follow dependencies, does it? |
| 23:37.07 | abrotman | nope |
| 23:37.12 | abrotman | apt-zip might be of some help |
| 23:37.17 | Ludwig | hm |
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| 23:38.26 | erob | Bronze: ttyl ! good luck with the usb stuff... |
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| 23:38.46 | Ludwig | so I could dl an entire repo and point apt-zip at it? |
| 23:38.58 | abrotman | not quite |
| 23:39.06 | Bronze | erob: gracias! :) |
| 23:39.17 | abrotman | Ludwig: why not just ask the admin to intsall it for you ? |
| 23:39.24 | themill | Ludwig: installing packages to anywhere other than / isn't going to work out |
| 23:39.45 | abrotman | well, he didn't say which packages |
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| 23:40.37 | Bronze | Ludwig: are you trying to make a system that boots debian? or boots to one of many choices, one of shich is debian? |
| 23:40.37 | themill | well just about anything with maintainer scripts is going to fail (which is a very large portion of packages these days) |
| 23:40.38 | Ludwig | currently I'm building everything from source to ~/ but it takes me back to the bad old days of dep hell |
| 23:40.40 | Bronze | *wghicjh |
| 23:40.49 | Bronze | **which |
| 23:41.04 | Ludwig | no, I don't want to boot, just use some things that are not installed in / |
| 23:41.10 | abrotman | Ludwig: what is the end goal? |
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| 23:41.54 | Bronze | Ludwig: I think your package tools do most of that work for you, kinda automatically, if the packages are in a repo you have enabled. |
| 23:41.55 | Ludwig | to build stuff in ~ without having to manually track down all the dependencies |
| 23:42.10 | Ludwig | and to not bother the sysadmin |
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| 23:42.31 | Bronze | oh, so you dont want the package offcially installed? |
| 23:42.34 | Ludwig | right |
| 23:42.44 | Bronze | erm. |
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| 23:43.02 | abrotman | Ludwig: right, build what? |
| 23:43.02 | Ludwig | basically a pseudo chroot to ~ |
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| 23:43.50 | Bronze | sounds like you would need to get a source package and put it in a sub-tree under your home dir. To just build/compile You probably don't need a psuedo root. |
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| 23:45.28 | jhutchins_wk | I managed to kill my xfce taskbar - how do I get it back? |
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| 23:46.38 | Bronze | Ludwig: abrotman has more specific info than I do, you should probably answer his last query |
| 23:46.41 | abrotman | jhutchins_wk: /usr/bin/xfce4-panel .. part of the xfce4-panel package? |
| 23:46.55 | abrotman | just a guess |
| 23:47.21 | jhutchins_wk | abrotman: Yeah, that was it. Thanks. |
| 23:47.45 | abrotman | doesn't even use xfce ... |
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| 23:50.15 | Ludwig | abrotman: Mostly stuff I've already built -- tmux, vim, gpg, python |
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| 23:50.40 | Ludwig | I'd just like to be able to keep it up to date more easily |
| 23:50.59 | abrotman | up to date using what? |
| 23:51.13 | Ludwig | aptitude, ideally |
| 23:51.15 | abrotman | Ludwig: why not just talk to the Admin? |
| 23:51.25 | zmisc | abrotman: what do you use? |
| 23:51.46 | abrotman | zmisc: for what? |
| 23:52.18 | zmisc | window manager/desktop environment... you said you didn't use XFCE so I was just a little curious |
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| 23:52.41 | abrotman | oh, gnome3 on this box, lxde on my netbook ... servers don't have X :) |
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| 23:53.27 | Mr_Queue | gnome3 is killing me. I just can't get used to it. |
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| 23:53.56 | zmisc | LXDE is an excellent choice on netbooks. |
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| 23:55.25 | Bronze | Mr_Queue: Gnome offical philosophical response is "Du VILLST get used to it un du vill LIKE It!" </hokey german accent> |
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| 23:56.11 | Mr_Queue | haha |
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| 23:56.27 | Bronze | Mr_Queue: i cant get used to it either |
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| 23:56.38 | Mr_Queue | mate is looking nice. |
| 23:56.53 | Mr_Queue | I don't think it's in wheezy though. |
| 23:57.41 | Mr_Queue | It's likely in Sid. |
| 23:57.42 | abrotman | it's not even in Debian thank fullly |
| 23:57.46 | abrotman | thankfully |
| 23:57.57 | Mr_Queue | abrotman: why do you dislike it? |
| 23:58.00 | abrotman | Cinnamon is, MATE is not |
| 23:58.09 | abrotman | Mr_Queue: gnome2 is dead .. just accept it and move on :) |
| 23:58.14 | Mr_Queue | I don't want to. |
| 23:58.19 | abrotman | then find something else |
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| 23:58.34 | Mr_Queue | back to mate.. |
| 23:58.41 | abrotman | you don't still use leaded gas in your car? use a film camera? |
| 23:59.00 | Mr_Queue | Film camera would be nice. |
| 23:59.43 | Mr_Queue | I don't know.. I've way too many years with gnome2.. The change to gnome3 was pretty drastic. |
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