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| 00:03.40 | Bronze | makes some tea and offers Mr_Queue a cuppa and a biscuit. |
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| 00:04.06 | abrotman | Bronze: did you find the usb live stuff ? |
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| 00:04.25 | Bronze | yes i did. doing lots of reading right now. |
| 00:04.43 | Bronze | and I fouynd the deb-live channel over on oftc |
| 00:04.51 | abrotman | good deal |
| 00:04.55 | sharky1 | gnome2 is dead, long live mate |
| 00:05.00 | Mr_Queue | ^^ |
| 00:05.01 | Mr_Queue | :D |
| 00:05.27 | Mr_Queue | It will makes its way into Debian. |
| 00:05.47 | abrotman | maybe |
| 00:06.53 | themill | unlikely -- or at least, not until it is rewritten to use supported libraries |
| 00:06.58 | Mr_Queue | IMO there are too many people out there like me that think it gnome2 was just fine. |
| 00:06.59 | sharky1 | i am not against gnome3, but in some cases it is way too heavy, for example in virtual machine |
| 00:07.11 | Bronze | Kodak still makes a lot of photographic film for specialized applications whic hdigital photography cant yet do. (despit bankruptcy, the remnants carry on, and they removed the secret nuclear reactor from the middle of the city Rochester that no one had known was there for more than 40 years .... ) |
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| 00:07.17 | themill | points towards #debian-offtopic |
| 00:07.44 | abrotman | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=658783 .. if you care |
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| 00:11.44 | atomfire | heh |
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| 00:13.34 | Craphter | I'm thinking about suicide. |
| 00:13.51 | Craphter | There is not ONE software in the Windows world which can successfully compile an .iso to an usb. |
| 00:14.05 | ry|an | yeah unetbooting |
| 00:14.05 | abrotman | sure there is |
| 00:14.07 | Craphter | Can anyone recommend me any? I've been trying netbootin and ISO to USB. |
| 00:14.08 | abrotman | ry|an: no |
| 00:14.18 | Craphter | Netbootin didn't work for me., |
| 00:14.30 | ry|an | well the problem probably isn't with unetbooting |
| 00:14.33 | ry|an | but the device |
| 00:14.46 | Craphter | the device is a new kingston 16 GB USB |
| 00:14.48 | abrotman | that's why 90% of the people that use it have it fial ... |
| 00:14.49 | abrotman | fial |
| 00:14.51 | abrotman | grrr |
| 00:14.54 | Craphter | I literally bought it yesterday |
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| 00:15.48 | abrotman | Craphter: http://www.linuxliveusb.com/en/download |
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| 00:16.00 | Craphter | abrotman: Thanks |
| 00:16.02 | themill | Craphter: are you installing on the same machine? |
| 00:16.06 | Craphter | I am not |
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| 00:16.53 | themill | ah. That makes it harder. Does the target system not have any OS on it at all? |
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| 00:18.29 | Craphter | themill: It does not. |
| 00:18.43 | abrotman | Craphter: there are numerous tools that will write an ISO to a USB device if that one doesn't work |
| 00:19.00 | Craphter | abrotman: I'll come back in a few mins and tell you. Thanks again |
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| 00:20.23 | dclarke | QUESTION : my wheezy laptop claims there is no route to a local host on the same internal lan subnet. However I can ping it and ssh into the remote host that is only across the room. Other services like realvnc claim "No route to host". Any ideas ? |
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| 00:26.14 | cheasee | hi |
| 00:27.39 | Craphter | abrotman: For some reason, I boot and the only thing in screen are two lines: "Remove CD/Device" and "Press any key to reboot" |
| 00:27.40 | cheasee | according to http://wiki.debian.org/HP/ProLiant debian 5.0 should work 100% .. but on cdimage.debian.org is just a netinst version of 5.0 and when i try this, it doesnt recognize cdrom drive nor tg3 nic? |
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| 00:28.20 | dclarke | cheasee: you may be far better off with 6.0.6 |
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| 00:28.43 | cheasee | dclarke: i tried latest testing, which was the same? |
| 00:29.11 | dclarke | cheasee: I think you are looking for stable release ? That would be 6.0.6 |
| 00:29.31 | cheasee | i guess ive got to build an own initrd with tg3 module and firmware added .. |
| 00:29.39 | dclarke | if you want the "testing" release then that would be "wheezy" which is 7.0 |
| 00:29.53 | dclarke | cheasee: why so ? |
| 00:30.09 | dclarke | cheasee: you need special drivers for that proliant? How old/new is it ? |
| 00:30.36 | krasnozer | what's the best way to write the debian install media on a usb drive from windows? I triede lili and unetbootin but i keep running into the "usb disk not recognized as cdrom by the installer" issue |
| 00:31.14 | cheasee | all i want is to install debian over network (or over cd even) :) but no matter what version i try, it doesnt find the cdrom (i see it while kernel is loading) and is crying about nic drivers/firmware of tg3 |
| 00:31.39 | cheasee | krasnozer: i use dd for windows (dd.exe) |
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| 00:32.06 | cheasee | google it, should be one of the first results with "dd for windows" |
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| 00:32.24 | abrotman | cheasee: proliant is so vague |
| 00:32.27 | abrotman | Craphter: so no better? |
| 00:32.32 | dclarke | cheasee: what is this tg3 to which you refer ? |
| 00:32.35 | Craphter | abrotman: Nope... |
| 00:32.40 | abrotman | cheasee: the tg3 probably needs firmware |
| 00:32.44 | abrotman | Craphter: no CDRWs ? |
| 00:32.47 | cheasee | abrotman: sorry, it a dl380g3 |
| 00:32.51 | Craphter | abrotman: Thanks though. I'll be leaving now, Ill hang myself. |
| 00:32.58 | dclarke | cheasee: yay .. a proper model name |
| 00:33.00 | Craphter | abrotman: Yes, but first dinner. Thank you anyways :) |
| 00:33.21 | cheasee | dclarke: sorry forgot that |
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| 00:33.43 | abrotman | cheasee: the tg3 probably still needs firmware |
| 00:34.13 | dclarke | cheasee: well I am running "stable" on a bucket pile of proliant DL380's at the office and can not recall a single install issue at all. I guess you burned a bootable DVD ? |
| 00:34.16 | cheasee | abrotman: yes i guess so too, but i wonder why no debian version has that added? |
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| 00:35.18 | dclarke | cheasee: sorry .. mine are all G5 and G7 servers |
| 00:35.18 | cheasee | dclarke: i prefer netinst (dont like wasting media ;) ) and either try to pxeboot via syslinux the kernel/initrd directly or try the netinst iso via memdisk |
| 00:35.46 | dclarke | cheasee: lately I use a USB stick with a live hybrid on it .. works like a charm |
| 00:36.11 | dclarke | however .. that isn't helping you at the moment .. I am wondering what this tg3 thing is to which you refer |
| 00:36.28 | cheasee | dclarke: what nic do your g5, g7 have? |
| 00:37.36 | abrotman | cheasee: it's non-free |
| 00:37.42 | abrotman | !tell cheasee about firmware installer |
| 00:38.13 | cheasee | abrotman: do you spy my screen? just wanted to ask for that haha |
| 00:38.17 | dclarke | cheasee: let me log in to one of them and ask .. one sec .. have to bounce through half a dozen firewalls |
| 00:38.32 | cheasee | ok so thats why |
| 00:38.49 | abrotman | what is why/ |
| 00:38.50 | abrotman | ? |
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| 00:39.37 | cheasee | ah, ok so my guess was right that i have to modify initrd |
| 00:39.40 | dclarke | abrotman: he probably selected free software only and non-contrib |
| 00:40.04 | abrotman | dclarke: uhm .. right |
| 00:40.26 | cheasee | abrotman: that its non-free and what dpkg told me :) |
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| 00:41.01 | abrotman | cheasee: yes .. enabling non-free on a system with no network won't get you very far |
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| 00:43.07 | cheasee | ok well, no drama, i just thought i could save another label in my syslinux menu (and the work to modify the initrd heh) |
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| 00:45.08 | dclarke | cheasee: I found one of my proliants running /etc/debian_version -> 5.0.8 and am doing a lsmod to see what network driver I have there |
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| 00:45.52 | abrotman | !tell dclarke about lenny->squeeze |
| 00:45.57 | cheasee | i guess another one like in tha g3 :) |
| 00:46.01 | cheasee | the |
| 00:46.19 | abrotman | it depends on the model you have .. and it won't help him anyway |
| 00:46.20 | dclarke | abrotman: I am running wheezy here and squeeze pretty much everywhere else .. otehr than some Solaris servers |
| 00:46.34 | abrotman | and servers running lenny? |
| 00:46.41 | dclarke | abrotman: a few stragglers on ver 5 |
| 00:46.59 | abrotman | only been a year since they lost support |
| 00:47.05 | dclarke | abrotman: hang on a sec .. let me show you a really nice old kicker in production |
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| 00:49.07 | dclarke | abrotman: never mind .. I had a ver 3 server running for a long long time ... can't recall its ip but its in a rack somewhere |
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| 00:50.06 | abrotman | aren't you "special" |
| 00:51.01 | dclarke | abrotman: well, its a long lost box in a rack somewhere |
| 00:51.20 | dclarke | abrotman: I don't even know what floor of the office it is in .. |
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| 00:52.45 | neoice | is there a workaround when a package says it requires libapache2-mod-php and you're using fcgi instead? |
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| 00:53.36 | dclarke | neoice: the coolest workaround I can think of is to download the apache sources and compile it myself into /usr/local .. works great for me and I end up with Apache 2.4.3 |
| 00:54.10 | neoice | dclarke: yeah, I've been wanting to switch one of my servers over to 2.4... not going to do that today though :P |
| 00:54.22 | dclarke | runs Apache/2.4.3 (Unix) OpenSSL/0.9.7d PHP/5.4.11 |
| 00:55.02 | dclarke | neoice: well .. hrmm, yeah I get it. and its Sunday. No one wants to be up on a Sunday night farting with a prod server |
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| 00:56.03 | neoice | dclarke: well, this is home, but a lot of stuff runs on this box. (I'm trying to install Zoneminder, so perhaps a better solution would be an alternative) |
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| 00:56.44 | dclarke | okay .. I came here with a problem, besides my multitude of personality defects, I have a wheezy laptop that I can ssh to other hosts on my network, ping them, even use remote desktop into a windows box but realvnc claims "No route to host." Any ideas ? |
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| 00:57.38 | dclarke | neoice: I'm not much of an apache admin, sorry. I can build it, install it and run it but not too bright on stuff like fcgi vs other methods |
| 00:58.24 | neoice | dclarke: I think that there was a packaging policy for Wheezy and beyond that packages aren't supposed to depend on "libapache2-mod-php" because there's so many different ways to run php webservers |
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| 00:59.06 | dclarke | neoice: I build php myself, hence the version I have, and I am still mystified by it |
| 00:59.48 | dclarke | neoice: the real question on my little mind is, what problem are you trying to solve? |
| 00:59.56 | abrotman | !tell neoice about equivs |
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| 01:00.07 | johnfg | hi folks |
| 01:00.13 | neoice | dclarke: install Zoneminder on Debian Stable(ish) without breaking my current apache install |
| 01:00.15 | abrotman | dclarke: is the port open ? |
| 01:00.36 | dclarke | abrotman: what port ? |
| 01:00.43 | dclarke | abrotman: oh hell |
| 01:00.46 | johnfg | on debian squeeze, what's the command to toggle screen-byobu, or byobu-screen, whatever it's called, on or off? |
| 01:00.55 | neoice | dclarke: Windows does block ICMP by default... |
| 01:00.57 | dclarke | abrotman: sorry .. yeah .. port 5901 for vnc may be blocked |
| 01:01.06 | abrotman | neoice: see what the bot told you |
| 01:01.19 | neoice | abrotman: indeed, installing and RTFMing now |
| 01:01.45 | dclarke | abrotman: well I can ping everyting .. Winblows XP is no problem to access with rdesktop .. that works fine .. the issue is the "No route to host" |
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| 01:01.57 | abrotman | didn't answer the question .. |
| 01:02.14 | dclarke | abrotman: yeah .. I have to figure out how to check that |
| 01:02.25 | dclarke | abrotman: the remote box is RHEL6 |
| 01:02.33 | johnfg | I ask because I don't have (like on gentoo) byobu-enable and byobu-disable. |
| 01:03.28 | abrotman | dclarke: why does a remote box run vnc? |
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| 01:04.25 | dclarke | abrotman: well there is VMware workstation on it and that has a Debian wheezy host on it and etc etc |
| 01:05.08 | dclarke | abrotman: so I am trying to remotely get access to the debian virtual host in order to work with my custom X server I just built from git |
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| 01:06.56 | dclarke | abrotman: however ... as I was saying, I can ssh to that RHL6 box no problem. However vnc claims ( as does tightvnc ) no route to host |
| 01:07.22 | abrotman | you still didn't answer if the port is open |
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| 01:07.29 | abrotman | can you traceroute? |
| 01:08.04 | dclarke | abrotman: I know I know ... don't taser me ... I have to figure out HOW to find that out on the RHEL6 box |
| 01:08.31 | dclarke | abrotman: good idea .... to that specific port no less .. let me see |
| 01:08.54 | abrotman | tcptraceroute ? |
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| 01:09.47 | dclarke | abrotman: one moment .. need to run "apt-file search tcptraceroute" |
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| 01:10.23 | abrotman | i'll give you a guess ? |
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| 01:10.39 | dclarke | abrotman: tcptraceroute .. yeah, but I always do a search |
| 01:11.31 | dclarke | abrotman: wow, that utility looks like a port of traceroute from Solaris |
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| 01:12.16 | abrotman | does it matter? |
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| 01:12.44 | dclarke | abrotman: nope. just looks nice and familiar to me |
| 01:14.42 | dclarke | abrotman: no surprise ... tcptraceroute claims that the remote host is exactly one ( 1 ) hop away at 1.139 ms |
| 01:14.52 | abrotman | too long |
| 01:15.03 | abrotman | did you try vnc by IP instead of hostname ? |
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| 01:15.05 | dclarke | abrotman: pretty slow eh ? |
| 01:15.17 | dclarke | abrotman: yep .. thats the first thing I tried .. |
| 01:15.22 | dclarke | in fact .. one sec .. |
| 01:16.34 | abrotman | dirty ARP? |
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| 01:17.16 | dclarke | abrotman: I could flush the arp table and do a route -f but this irc session would die real quick |
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| 01:18.10 | dclarke | abrotman: wow .. well this is a mystery to me : /usr/bin/xtightvncviewer: ConnectToTcpAddr: connect: No route to host |
| 01:18.40 | dclarke | *sigh* |
| 01:19.20 | abrotman | dclarke: vnc does use two ports |
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| 01:20.33 | dclarke | abrotman: well the destination is specified as 5901 |
| 01:21.43 | dclarke | abrotman: bear with me ... I'm gonna check the netstat -an | grep 5901 on that RHEL6 box |
| 01:21.58 | abrotman | it's usually 5900 and 5901 |
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| 01:23.00 | Adie | WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO INCEST |
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| 01:23.40 | dclarke | waits for the kick/ban to take place |
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| 01:25.11 | dclarke | abrotman: well the RHEL6 server says : netstat -an | grep "\:590" --> tcp 0 0 0.0.0.0:5901 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN |
| 01:25.21 | abrotman | dclarke: okay |
| 01:25.31 | dclarke | abrotman: its listening .. the question is .. open or not |
| 01:25.44 | abrotman | dclarke: telnet <host> 5901 |
| 01:25.51 | dclarke | abrotman: I will try ye ol telnet to that port |
| 01:26.05 | dclarke | abrotman: great minds think alike |
| 01:26.15 | abrotman | but i would have tried that before coming here ... |
| 01:26.28 | dclarke | abrotman: telnet: Unable to connect to remote host: No route to host |
| 01:26.45 | dclarke | abrotman: keep in mind .. I can ssh to it just fine |
| 01:27.01 | dclarke | abrotman: I'm mystified |
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| 01:28.31 | dclarke | abrotman: for giggles I just ran rdesktop and can connect to the virtual WinXP host over there fine .. pretty .. however vnc just pukes that same "No route to host" .. |
| 01:28.48 | dclarke | is baffled |
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| 01:30.19 | krisfremen | dclarke: in the windows one.. did you turn off the firewall? |
| 01:30.26 | krisfremen | or at least allow the vnc server? |
| 01:30.39 | krisfremen | windows can be pretty strict about that |
| 01:31.18 | dclarke | krisfremen: the windows host is running fine. Keep in mind that it is inside VMware and on the same remote physical server |
| 01:31.36 | dclarke | resorts to the hammer of thor : nmap |
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| 01:31.49 | krisfremen | of course it's running fine.. is the firewall allowing the vncserver is the question? |
| 01:32.40 | dclarke | krisfremen: I don't understand the question. I can access the WinXP host fine. My issue is with VNC served up by VMware on that RHEL6 server |
| 01:33.35 | krisfremen | ah, so vmware's vnc server |
| 01:33.54 | dclarke | krisfremen: the remote server runs RHEL6 and on that is VMware Workstation 8 and inside that is a pack of stuff .. one of which is WinXP and another is a Debian host |
| 01:34.16 | krisfremen | how are you connecting to it? |
| 01:34.20 | dclarke | krisfremen: this is one of my home machines and I prefer to not have to sit in front of it |
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| 01:34.41 | dclarke | krisfremen: well, I have a wheezy based laptop |
| 01:35.15 | dclarke | krisfremen: on those exceedingly rare times when I need to test something on WinXP I can just fire up rdesktop .. works great |
| 01:35.25 | krisfremen | are you connecting to the ip of the vm or localhost? |
| 01:35.34 | dclarke | krisfremen: all other virtual hosts and the RHEL6 server can be ssh'ed into |
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| 01:36.00 | krisfremen | vmware's vnc is to be connected through localhost, not the ip of the vm |
| 01:36.02 | dclarke | krisfremen: well I am trying to connect to the RHEL6 server on port 5901 which is listening |
| 01:36.21 | dclarke | krisfremen: not on localhost |
| 01:36.40 | dclarke | krisfremen: localhost would serve no purpose would it ? |
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| 01:37.20 | krisfremen | most vmware setups are made so that vnc access to the vms can only be done through localhost for security reasons as it is unencrypted |
| 01:37.33 | dclarke | krisfremen: oh heck |
| 01:37.45 | dclarke | krisfremen: so its useless :-( |
| 01:37.57 | krisfremen | which vmware? |
| 01:38.07 | dclarke | krisfremen: VMware Workstation 8 |
| 01:38.18 | krisfremen | workstation iirc, which is what I have, has an option to bind to all |
| 01:38.21 | krisfremen | instead of just localhost |
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| 01:38.55 | dclarke | krisfremen: well, I have been dragging my heels on a Workstation 9 upgrade anyways and should buy support |
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| 01:39.06 | aristoteles | specifically i want my keyboard to put out characters with combining diarcritics, such as x, hmm |
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| 01:39.13 | aristoteles | let me know if you guys have any ideas |
| 01:39.18 | dclarke | krisfremen: I guess I should go off and look into the EMC/VMware doc site |
| 01:39.25 | aristoteles | this thread has my same problem, but the solution there seems like a kludge http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/43073/custom-xkb-layout-in-which-one-key-creates-two-unicode-code-points |
| 01:39.40 | zmisc | checks out razor-qt |
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| 01:40.07 | dclarke | aristoteles: shouldn't you post that to lists@x.org ?? |
| 01:40.42 | krisfremen | dclarke: try to see if localhost works first from the rhel server |
| 01:41.07 | dclarke | krisfremen: was just looking into that |
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| 01:41.20 | aristoteles | dclarke, I came here because you guys often know something i don't. maybe there's no solution for this one, i'm just checking with you guys first. |
| 01:41.31 | krisfremen | dclarke: if nothing else, it's actually more secure to set up a vnc server from inside the vm's guest and that way you can use the vm's ip instead if you have them assigned instead of having to use the ip of the host |
| 01:41.47 | dclarke | krisfremen: I'll scp the realvnc bin over there and then do the totally insane : ssh -C -X rhel6_host; fire up vnc there |
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| 01:42.19 | dclarke | aristoteles: I'm on the Xorg maillist also .. so, its a good place to ask the X related stuff there |
| 01:42.30 | krisfremen | prefers tightvnc, but sure :P |
| 01:43.09 | dclarke | krisfremen: totally correct .. however, and this is a well aged and full bodied "however", that remote host has no X and I am doing a custom build from git |
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| 01:44.57 | aristoteles | so, dclarke, maybe you can help. in an xkb symbols file i make a table that has the keyname, then a list of four symbols for the key, i can use either a basic character value (seems like it has to be ascii) or a symbol name, or a unicode value of one byte : UXXXX, but my question is what to do when you want to either have a unicode value of more than one byte (as in a character with a combining diacritic, for example), or if there |
| 01:45.43 | dclarke | aristoteles: I tend to work on lower level stuff, there are guys on the list that love the whole keyboard module and would be all over it for you |
| 01:46.01 | dclarke | gently says .. go to the maillist please |
| 01:46.32 | aristoteles | dclarke, okay, i'll think about joining this list, but i'm still at a phase where im more confortable with google and irc and experimentation, but i'll keep your suggestion in mind. |
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| 01:46.48 | dclarke | aristoteles: google seems to fail me lately |
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| 01:48.14 | dclarke | krisfremen: well running realvnc on the RHEL6 server with the display being my laptop has the VNC login dialog pop right up |
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| 01:56.18 | aristoteles | this post gets me close, but i'm not sure where to define the new keysymbols http://www.spinics.net/lists/xorg/msg42027.html |
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| 02:04.48 | royalty | hello |
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| 02:05.02 | royalty | I think I broke some stuff on a stable version of debian |
| 02:05.20 | jagginess | royalty, yay |
| 02:05.24 | royalty | I am trying to resolve a problem with held packages |
| 02:05.38 | royalty | apt-get install -f doesn't fix it |
| 02:05.54 | jagginess | royalty, held packages? hahahaa.. sounds like you have attitude!.. urps.. aptitude! |
| 02:06.31 | aristoteles | maybe i need some sort of knowledge about 'XIM'. i'm looking for that now. |
| 02:06.32 | abrotman | royalty: use a pastebin |
| 02:06.38 | AFlyingMonkey | So Im trying to set up vsftpd. Im pretty new to debian but not to computers in general. As I understand it I download the non standalone version, and thus vsftpd needs to be started from inetd. Because I went with a minimal install I didnt have this installed. I then learned that inetd is obsolete and has been replaced with xinetd. So I downloaded that package and tried to setup vsftpd as a... |
| 02:06.39 | royalty | it throws the error that libperl5.10 and perl require 5.10.1-17squeeze3 though 5.10.1-17squeeze4 is installed |
| 02:06.40 | AFlyingMonkey | ...service (config: http://pastie.org/private/b6fyrongxnknygrhc5121w). Now when I run: "xinetd -d" I get a parse error on the vsftpd config file (not sure why) and a critical error "1988 (init_services) no service. Exiting...". Im not sure what is wrong with the config file :/ |
| 02:06.47 | royalty | I can't this isn't my debian machine... |
| 02:07.03 | abrotman | royalty: you can't pastebin ? |
| 02:07.10 | phix | royalty: yay! |
| 02:07.11 | royalty | no bc it is on my other computer |
| 02:07.14 | royalty | I have to type it out |
| 02:07.22 | jagginess | !pastebinit |
| 02:07.23 | dpkg | pastebinit is a command-line tool to send data to a <pastebin>. NOTE: squeeze users, you must "pastebinit -b http://paste.debian.net" or configure pastebinit to use something other than pastebin.com. To paste e.g. your sources.list do "aptitude install pastebinit; pastebinit /etc/apt/sources.list"; to paste the output of a program do e.g. "dmesg | pastebinit". See also <pastebinit config>, <nopaste>. |
| 02:07.32 | royalty | ahhh cool |
| 02:07.40 | jagginess | lol. |
| 02:07.49 | jagginess | but his network is probably down on the problematic machine |
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| 02:07.52 | royalty | i can't install anything though |
| 02:07.52 | phix | AFlyingMonkey: I like proftpd |
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| 02:08.07 | royalty | bc the package manager is giving me trouble with those 2 packages |
| 02:08.19 | abrotman | royalty: sonuds like your sources.list are messed up |
| 02:08.23 | abrotman | !tell royalty about squeeze sources.list |
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| 02:08.40 | jagginess | royalty, the sample default is in /usr/share/doc/apt<>/examples |
| 02:08.49 | royalty | well before what i was doing is grabbing packages on another machine |
| 02:08.57 | royalty | and installing them with dpkg |
| 02:09.10 | royalty | but i finally was just like i hate my life |
| 02:09.14 | royalty | so i bought a long ethernet |
| 02:09.15 | AFlyingMonkey | phix: Im sorry Im not sure how that is applicable :s |
| 02:09.30 | royalty | so I could go ahead and just hopefully let the machine fix itself |
| 02:10.24 | phix | AFlyingMonkey: it is a FTP server / daemon |
| 02:10.57 | phix | AFlyingMonkey: and it is standalone, which is a better mode of operation than inetd |
| 02:11.10 | royalty | there are thing in my sources.list |
| 02:11.11 | royalty | it says |
| 02:11.14 | phix | has alot of nifty features and is easy to setup |
| 02:11.21 | royalty | line commented out because it failed to verify: |
| 02:11.39 | abrotman | phix: not being very helpful |
| 02:11.41 | AFlyingMonkey | does it support tls? |
| 02:11.46 | royalty | http://security.debian.org |
| 02:11.51 | phix | AFlyingMonkey: yes |
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| 02:11.56 | abrotman | AFlyingMonkey: probably better to paste your vsftpd config |
| 02:12.01 | abrotman | royalty: see what the bot told you |
| 02:12.18 | phix | abrotman: how so? I am suggesting an alternate way of doing something which is easier to setup for a beginer. |
| 02:12.30 | abrotman | phix: a better way would be to not use ftp at all ... |
| 02:12.32 | phix | abrotman: you dont consider that helpdul? |
| 02:12.34 | phix | helpful* |
| 02:12.48 | jagginess | helpdull yes.. helpful ? lol |
| 02:12.56 | phix | abrotman: heh, yes that is true :) but there are reasons why you would use FTP over other protocols |
| 02:13.02 | abrotman | phix: such as? |
| 02:13.23 | phix | abrotman: legacy support |
| 02:13.24 | jagginess | uses webdav+ssl |
| 02:13.31 | AFlyingMonkey | abrotman: http://pastie.org/private/b6fyrongxnknygrhc5121w# |
| 02:13.33 | abrotman | phix: so why don't you use Windows95? |
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| 02:13.55 | jagginess | Windows95? smash the glasses.. it sux |
| 02:13.56 | abrotman | AFlyingMonkey: your *vsftpd* config |
| 02:13.59 | royalty | oh god it is working |
| 02:14.02 | royalty | oh wow |
| 02:14.06 | abrotman | jagginess: you need less coffee |
| 02:14.07 | AFlyingMonkey | oh my bad second |
| 02:14.22 | jagginess | royalty, that's good news !! |
| 02:14.24 | Kanoh | http://tty1.co/url/b <-- noise art made with Debian + FOSS |
| 02:14.24 | royalty | YESSSS |
| 02:14.26 | royalty | YESSSSSS |
| 02:15.01 | jagginess | abrotman, maybe he wants windows 3.1 :) |
| 02:15.09 | phix | abrotman: Legacy as in he may not manage the network / firewall of the clients connecting / his own network, support for windows XP (sure he could use web dav but it is a pain in the arse to setup compared with FTP) |
| 02:15.14 | abrotman | jagginess: are you done being annoying? |
| 02:15.28 | abrotman | AFlyingMonkey: paste coming? |
| 02:15.30 | jagginess | abrotman, annoying?? You said Windows 95. |
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| 02:15.59 | abrotman | jagginess: not to you .. you weren't part of the conversation |
| 02:16.00 | phix | abrotman: the list goes on, but I guess I could ask AFlyingMonkey what his use case is |
| 02:16.06 | phix | AFlyingMonkey: what is your use case :) |
| 02:16.13 | phix | why did you decide on FTP? |
| 02:16.13 | jagginess | abrotman, I'm not? then why don't you pm him? |
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| 02:16.28 | abrotman | jagginess: see early comment about you being annoying |
| 02:16.36 | jagginess | abrotman, you're not helping. |
| 02:16.55 | abrotman | i'm trying, but you won't shut up long enough for me to read anything |
| 02:17.01 | jagginess | grow up. |
| 02:17.04 | abrotman | get out |
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| 02:17.07 | AFlyingMonkey | Im trying to upload files to a vps |
| 02:17.14 | royalty | abrotman, i love you you sexy magician |
| 02:17.22 | abrotman | royalty: everything working better? |
| 02:17.37 | Kanoh | AFlyingMonkey: ssh, scp, sftp,... all easy |
| 02:17.40 | phix | abrotman is an op so you have to put up with his bs now and then |
| 02:17.44 | royalty | abrotman, yeah I think so for some reason my screen turned green |
| 02:17.45 | phix | heh oh he left |
| 02:17.57 | abrotman | phix: except that jagginess is always like this .. it's annoying .. he's not helpful |
| 02:18.06 | phix | ok :) |
| 02:18.09 | phix | moving on |
| 02:18.20 | AFlyingMonkey | ok Im trying to upload a directory from my windows 7 laptop to a debian vps |
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| 02:18.36 | phix | AFlyingMonkey: there are other protocols you could be using, rsync would be the best one but what type of VPS you have? |
| 02:18.43 | AFlyingMonkey | The only method I know how to use is ftp |
| 02:18.58 | royalty | abrotman, also tons of applications seem to have been removed! |
| 02:19.02 | abrotman | AFlyingMonkey: if you're using Windows, using SCP+Filezilla is a much much better plan |
| 02:19.18 | phix | AFlyingMonkey: so it is just you that needs to do it? you dont need to allow other people with lesser computer experience access to it? |
| 02:19.19 | AFlyingMonkey | SCP is a ftp server/analog? |
| 02:19.22 | abrotman | royalty: well, i'm not sure what you had configured before .. i'm still waiting for your sources.list in a pastebin |
| 02:19.29 | abrotman | !tell AFlyingMonkey about scp |
| 02:19.40 | phix | AFlyingMonkey: I would use Filezilla client with windows and SFTP to access your debian VPS |
| 02:20.23 | phix | AFlyingMonkey: but if you need legacy support such as allowing an old version of dreamweaver to upload files to the HTTPD section of your VPS then use FTP |
| 02:20.41 | dclarke | wanders off in search of scotch |
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| 02:21.01 | royalty | abrotman, how do I get myself on the sudoers list? I don't think I have the root terminal option anymore! |
| 02:21.02 | AFlyingMonkey | Nope I just need to upload some files! |
| 02:21.07 | abrotman | royalty: man sudoers |
| 02:21.10 | AFlyingMonkey | Im looking into scp :) |
| 02:21.10 | phix | AFlyingMonkey: yes, sftp is essentially FTP over SSH (however I am sure the actual protocol is different) |
| 02:21.34 | phix | AFlyingMonkey: use Filezilla from windows 7 |
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| 02:22.27 | royalty | maybe I should just try reinstalling debian |
| 02:22.33 | royalty | I think I have messed it up quite a bit |
| 02:22.34 | royalty | lol |
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| 02:22.50 | royalty | actually hold on |
| 02:22.53 | royalty | I think I can pastebin |
| 02:22.54 | royalty | that file |
| 02:23.21 | royalty | actually i can't |
| 02:23.28 | royalty | the GUI is completely pretty much busted |
| 02:23.29 | royalty | LOLOLOL |
| 02:23.51 | royalty | yeah I will go for a fresh install |
| 02:23.58 | royalty | then i will come back on here on debian |
| 02:24.05 | royalty | so i can actually pastebin easily and stuff |
| 02:24.37 | AFlyingMonkey | ok having an issue removing vsftpd, (had this earlier) apt-get cant remove the ftp user, and neither can userdel. No procceses running so im just going to delete the passwd entry |
| 02:25.10 | abrotman | !tell royalty about enter |
| 02:25.11 | AFlyingMonkey | is the user daemon,,,:/srv/ftp:/bin/false related to the ftp user? |
| 02:25.21 | abrotman | no |
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| 02:25.29 | AFlyingMonkey | ok |
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| 02:26.55 | phix | royalty: SSH and copy using your mouse :) |
| 02:27.28 | phix | AFlyingMonkey: no |
| 02:27.38 | phix | AFlyingMonkey: hmmmm the ftp user is stock standard though |
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| 02:27.51 | phix | just leave it |
| 02:28.12 | phix | it is added by default on all debian installs |
| 02:28.29 | AFlyingMonkey | abrotman: is scp installed by default? it seems to be already installed? |
| 02:28.34 | AFlyingMonkey | !* |
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| 02:28.50 | abrotman | AFlyingMonkey: part of the ssh package .. it's there already |
| 02:28.52 | royalty | phix: too late and I am not as hardcore as you okay, I don't even know how to ssh into my own computers |
| 02:28.55 | phix | AFlyingMonkey: it is part of ssh |
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| 02:29.15 | abrotman | AFlyingMonkey: if you use Filezilla, there's a setting called "FTP over SSH2" or something like that |
| 02:29.38 | phix | royalty: you dont need to be hardcore, accessing the terminal is part of the basics, you should learn it if you dont know it already :) |
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| 02:30.02 | phix | royalty: download putty (if you are using windows) type in the hostname of the linux computer, then enter in a valid login name and password and voila! you are in! |
| 02:30.16 | royalty | phix: this isn't a linux computer |
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| 02:30.33 | jebb | .im geitng a 500 error on my apache 2 server on debian 6 when i add this line "echo $result->num_rows;" to my index.php i can connect to my db but cant get anything from it |
| 02:30.34 | phix | 13:30 < phix> royalty: download putty (if you are using windows) |
| 02:30.41 | kernelPiCNic | Hello people, I am downloading the beta 4 release of debian [ debian 7 I guess? ] may I know which packages does that iso come with? I know that it installs the bare minimum system, but I wish to get a list of the packages that the iso installs :) |
| 02:30.45 | phix | royalty: you are using windows right? |
| 02:30.51 | darkbulb | Hello. I am downloading Debian 6.06 stable and I need to know which disk includes Gnome? Google is uncooperative. WHere do I find out what disks have what packages? I also would like to know which Kernal version is stock |
| 02:30.53 | royalty | phix: no lol even worse |
| 02:31.01 | phix | royalty: worst than windows? |
| 02:31.06 | abrotman | darkbulb: DVD1 should be well enough to get you started |
| 02:31.08 | royalty | phix: mac |
| 02:31.14 | royalty | phix: hahahaha |
| 02:31.14 | abrotman | agrees with royalty |
| 02:31.15 | phix | mac osx? |
| 02:31.26 | abrotman | !tell kernelPiCNic about cd contents |
| 02:31.27 | phix | ummmm mac osx > windows |
| 02:31.28 | royalty | yes sir I know I have a terminal here and I can ssh |
| 02:31.40 | phix | royalty: so use that :) |
| 02:31.45 | abrotman | phix: I disagree, vehemently |
| 02:31.47 | phix | or install putty (it supports mac too) |
| 02:31.48 | kernelPiCNic | Umm where is it? |
| 02:31.50 | darkbulb | oh no hes got OS/2 |
| 02:31.54 | royalty | phix: ah okay let's not get into OS wars now haha |
| 02:31.55 | phix | haha |
| 02:32.02 | kernelPiCNic | Oh in the private window. |
| 02:32.05 | phix | royalty: sure thing |
| 02:32.17 | royalty | we all love debian though! |
| 02:32.20 | royalty | am i right! |
| 02:32.32 | darkbulb | sounds great never used it |
| 02:32.35 | phix | abrotman: anything with a unix terminal is better than windows imo :) |
| 02:32.41 | royalty | hahaha |
| 02:32.46 | phix | royalty: debian wooooo!!!! |
| 02:32.47 | AFlyingMonkey | ok I set the proto to SFTP and used the same ip/user/pass I use on putty, tried connecting and Im getting a connection timeout on filezilla |
| 02:32.54 | abrotman | phix: not when the OS is useless when interacting with any other OS |
| 02:33.08 | abrotman | phix: i'll give you a full list of gripes in #debian-offtopic if you want |
| 02:33.11 | phix | abrotman: sudo nano /etc/samba/smb.conf imo :P |
| 02:34.10 | darkbulb | !tell kernelPiCNic about cd contents |
| 02:34.28 | kernelPiCNic | I am looking that that, darkbulb :) |
| 02:34.49 | darkbulb | thanks abrotman |
| 02:35.26 | kernelPiCNic | err in which category does beta 4 release come? daily builds or weekly builds? |
| 02:35.30 | kernelPiCNic | I am unsure. |
| 02:35.49 | AFlyingMonkey | getting this when I try to connect: http://pastie.org/5892279 |
| 02:35.50 | abrotman | kernelPiCNic: what are you actually loking for ? |
| 02:36.11 | kernelPiCNic | abrotman: I am looking for a base install of debian testing |
| 02:36.25 | abrotman | kernelPiCNic: so use the netinst |
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| 02:36.47 | kernelPiCNic | And in that, I wanna know if it comes with rp-pppoe package, cos I use that to connect to the internet. |
| 02:36.55 | darkbulb | I briefly read about a script debian uses to teir packages and libraries. Does it give weight to what is broken or is it a simple numerical test on |
| 02:37.08 | abrotman | kernelPiCNic: it comes with a pppoe package .. not sure which |
| 02:37.21 | abrotman | darkbulb: that's so vague |
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| 02:37.50 | kernelPiCNic | Umm ok, I'll download that and run it in vbox to determine which packages it really comes with :) |
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| 02:38.51 | AFlyingMonkey | anyone :s |
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| 02:39.06 | aristoteles | okay, now i'm convinced that i can't find any documentation for what i'm looking for. i don't see any directions for setting up a keyboard layout for typing a native american language with many multibyte characters on the keyboard directly. |
| 02:39.09 | abrotman | AFlyingMonkey: is openssh-server installed/running ? |
| 02:39.13 | aristoteles | let me know what that mailing list ws? |
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| 02:40.21 | zygoptera | aristoteles >> that sounds interesting. which native american language? |
| 02:40.39 | AFlyingMonkey | openssh and openssh-server both result in bash: command not found, so Im assuming no? |
| 02:40.41 | darkbulb | sorry abrotman : I will check my references for this note and pick it up later |
| 02:40.46 | aristoteles | lushootseed, a salish language of the puget sound area |
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| 02:41.09 | darkbulb | yes AFlyingMonkey the answer is either A no or B not is $path |
| 02:41.14 | darkbulb | yes AFlyingMonkey the answer is either A no or B not in $path |
| 02:41.21 | aristoteles | basically, i want to follow this keyboard layout designed already, http://www.tulaliplushootseed.com/NWIC-103-2009/Lushootseed%20Font%20&%20Keyboard.htm |
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| 02:41.50 | aristoteles | but i'm not having any success putting values with combining diacritics into the xkb symbols file. |
| 02:41.58 | AFlyingMonkey | darkbulb: I havnt removed it from path so im assuming its not installed |
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| 02:42.18 | darkbulb | AFlyingMonkey: that would then be correct assumption |
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| 02:43.15 | zygoptera | aristoteles >> That looks a lot like an old dec international keyboard I have |
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| 02:43.52 | AFlyingMonkey | nvm its already installed and apparently set to manual install |
| 02:44.26 | AFlyingMonkey | so its not in path. is the default dir /bin? |
| 02:44.46 | aristoteles | zygoptera, well let me know if you have any advice. the lushootseed glyphs aren't single unicode points, (well some are and those are working fine), but the ones with combingind diacritcs like u030c, and others are not being read in by xkb in when i create a symbols file. |
| 02:45.37 | AFlyingMonkey | nvm it wont be |
| 02:47.30 | zygoptera | aristoteles >> is scim of any help? |
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| 02:47.52 | AFlyingMonkey | how can I find location of the openssh binary? apt-get says its already installed but both openssh and openssh-server result in command not found |
| 02:48.21 | abrotman | AFlyingMonkey: can you ssh to the box with putty? |
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| 02:49.10 | AFlyingMonkey | abrotman: sort of. I can with kitty havent tried putty |
| 02:49.21 | abrotman | whichever |
| 02:49.23 | AFlyingMonkey | as far as I know they're the same thing |
| 02:49.50 | AFlyingMonkey | Yes i can ssh to it |
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| 02:51.06 | abrotman | then Filezilla sohuld work |
| 02:51.16 | abrotman | what connection options are available? |
| 02:51.56 | AFlyingMonkey | abrotman: this is the filezilla output: http://pastie.org/5892326 |
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| 02:52.25 | abrotman | that's not much useful ... |
| 02:52.29 | AFlyingMonkey | Not sure about connection options in file > site manager theres a protocol option which is set to SFTP at the moment |
| 02:52.34 | abrotman | is the IP really 123.123.123.123 ? |
| 02:52.51 | abrotman | AFlyingMonkey: is there one that says "Something over SSH" ? |
| 02:52.56 | AFlyingMonkey | nope but I was always told to keep such things secure :p |
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| 02:53.51 | AFlyingMonkey | just "FTP - File Transfer Protocol" and "SFTP - SFTP is SSH File Transfer Protocol" |
| 02:54.16 | AFlyingMonkey | sorry no SFTP is in there |
| 02:55.14 | abrotman | huh? |
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| 02:56.03 | AFlyingMonkey | there are 2 options in the protocol dropdown: "FTP - File Transfer Protocol" and "SFTP - SSH File Transfer Protocol" |
| 02:56.10 | AFlyingMonkey | I have SFTP selected |
| 02:56.19 | abrotman | okay, that sohuld work then |
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| 02:57.38 | AFlyingMonkey | does the port need to be set? I assumed filezilla would just use the default |
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| 02:57.51 | AFlyingMonkey | other than that everything is the same as the kitty settings |
| 02:59.16 | kernelPiCNic | Umm can't find anywhere... when will support for squeeze end? |
| 02:59.34 | kernelPiCNic | And how is it calculated? |
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| 03:01.21 | abrotman | kernelPiCNic: roughly a year after whweezy is released |
| 03:02.47 | kernelPiCNic | and when will wheezy get stable? This all can be better if there's a simple site explaining all that... |
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| 03:03.38 | kernelPiCNic | finds it a bit confusing... |
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| 03:06.42 | Craphter | I boot from an USB stick, but I only get "syslinux 4.04 edd 2011-04-18 copyright (c) 1994-2001 H peter anvin et al" |
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| 03:08.25 | AFlyingMonkey | abrotman: can I pm you? |
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| 03:10.54 | royalty | what is a good irc client for debian? |
| 03:11.00 | dvs | mine |
| 03:11.10 | royalty | huh? |
| 03:11.11 | abrotman | AFlyingMonkey: probably better to keep it in here, i'm not always paying attention |
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| 03:11.21 | abrotman | royalty: irssi for CLI, xchat for GUI |
| 03:11.41 | royalty | ah thanks |
| 03:12.31 | rryoumaa | and e.g. rcirc or erc for emacs |
| 03:13.34 | AFlyingMonkey | ok well Im not sure whats wrong if its as simple as having openssh-server installed and then connecting with filezilla. I made a unprivileged user, and tested it using putty if you have a minute to try and give it a go, see whether its a problem related to my filezilla |
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| 03:20.20 | AFlyingMonkey | nvm finally got it |
| 03:20.24 | AFlyingMonkey | yay! |
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| 04:36.50 | Craphter | I boot from an USB stick, but I only get "syslinux 4.04 edd 2011-04-18 copyright (c) 1994-2001 H peter anvin et al" |
| 04:37.30 | mns | how do I find out what causes my Debian/wheezy laptop to lock up ? This happens randomly. |
| 04:37.33 | abrotman | Craphter: still ? |
| 04:38.00 | Craphter | abrotman: Yes, I'ts quite spectacular how I managed not to suicide yet. I've been trying for over a month now. |
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| 04:38.49 | abrotman | heh |
| 04:38.56 | abrotman | would have bought CDRs by now |
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| 05:00.41 | awc737 | hey, can anyone please help me make right click work? just put deb 7 on windows 8 ultrabook |
| 05:01.00 | awc737 | I have to double click (which does not work well) for right click, but I would rather use a literal right touch pad click |
| 05:01.10 | awc737 | the bottom of my touchpad does have a left and right click |
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| 05:06.58 | awc737 | I have to double click (which does not work well) for right click, but I would rather use a literal right touch pad click |
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| 05:09.14 | wols_ | awc737: http://wiki.debian.org/SynapticsTouchpad maybe? |
| 05:11.41 | awc737 | thanks wols_ |
| 05:11.46 | awc737 | I also can't click and drag the mouse |
| 05:12.02 | awc737 | once I left click, the touchpad is disabled |
| 05:12.08 | awc737 | it makes it hard to highlight text |
| 05:13.11 | awc737 | where do I find this? Device Drivers --> Input device support --> Mice --> Elantech PS/2 protocol extension |
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| 05:45.34 | Craphter | I boot from an USB stick, but I only get "syslinux 4.04 edd 2011-04-18 copyright (c) 1994-2001 H peter anvin et al" |
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| 05:59.21 | mms_ | hi the debian installer is unable to connect to mirrors when doing package manager / apt install |
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| 06:01.53 | Moose | is it possible to assign the windows key to open up the Applications Main Tab Menu? |
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| 06:04.38 | Moose | I'm trying to do it via System->Preferences->Keyboard Shortcuts |
| 06:04.51 | Moose | but whenever I try reassigning the key, the 'windows' key doesn't work. |
| 06:06.06 | mms_ | debian installer unable to connect to mirror |
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| 06:09.36 | cipher_ | is anyone here familiar with speaker repair? |
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| 06:11.45 | peterrooney | #hardware |
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| 06:18.43 | r4co0n | G'mornin from UTC+1. I try to get my Canon IP2700 inkjet usb printer to work with wheezy. As I just read it may/will be necessary to install canon.com binaries. Can you confirm that this is "best practice"? |
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| 06:27.44 | dunkel2 | hello |
| 06:28.22 | MooseElkingtons | I accidentally assigned a shortcut to my down arrow key, but I removed that shortcut; now my down arrow key doesn't work. How could I fix this? |
| 06:29.17 | martin3z | kernel: [...] NVRM: No NVIDIA graphics adapter found!, this i got today after update and restart |
| 06:29.35 | martin3z | where to find problems? |
| 06:29.48 | martin3z | x doesn't start |
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| 06:32.37 | dunkel2 | how can i solve this: mosquitto : Depends: libssl1.0.0 (>= 1.0.0) but it is not installable |
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| 06:33.59 | r4co0n | martin3z, did you try this: http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers#X_doesn.27t_start ? |
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| 06:34.30 | martin3z | no, but i'll try now, thx |
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| 06:34.39 | fishcooker | i want to estimate the root partition except /home, /media, /opt through command line |
| 06:34.42 | fishcooker | how to? |
| 06:34.43 | MooseElkingtons | now none of my arrow keys work. |
| 06:36.05 | dunkel2 | im getting this poblem while trying to install a package mosquitto : Depends: libssl1.0.0 (>= 1.0.0) but it is not installable |
| 06:36.10 | dunkel2 | what can i do |
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| 06:36.50 | r4co0n | MooseElkingtons, did you try to reset the whole keyboard layout? Maybe like on: http://wiki.debian.org/Keyboard |
| 06:37.19 | MooseElkingtons | alright, now my page up is broken too e_e |
| 06:37.35 | MooseElkingtons | r4co0n, it says 'dpkg-reconfigure' isn't a command. |
| 06:37.53 | r4co0n | run as root? |
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| 06:38.41 | MooseElkingtons | there we go |
| 06:39.06 | dunkel2 | r4co0n: can you help me? |
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| 06:39.42 | MooseElkingtons | one little issue r4co0n |
| 06:39.46 | MooseElkingtons | I cannot select the menus |
| 06:39.58 | MooseElkingtons | now my right control is broken. |
| 06:40.09 | dunkel2 | tab? |
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| 06:40.39 | MooseElkingtons | tab still works. |
| 06:40.54 | r4co0n | MooseElkingtons, try using "setxkbmap", assuming you run x, as described in the last part of the wiki-page |
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| 06:41.08 | MooseElkingtons | yay |
| 06:41.10 | MooseElkingtons | everything works |
| 06:41.15 | fishcooker | i want to estimate the root size partition except /home, /media, /opt through command line, how to do it? |
| 06:41.18 | MooseElkingtons | thanks r4co0n |
| 06:41.32 | dunkel2 | r4co0n: can you helpme? |
| 06:41.54 | MooseElkingtons | r4co0n, what exactly does setxkbmap do? |
| 06:42.32 | r4co0n | dunkel2, I think you should be able to work-around your dependency by using a dummy package, if the parts of ssl you want to use are still supported in the newer version... |
| 06:43.16 | r4co0n | MooseElkingtons, it SETs the X KeyBoardMAP, your layout |
| 06:43.28 | MooseElkingtons | oh |
| 06:43.34 | PryMar56 | fishcooker, `dh` |
| 06:43.34 | MooseElkingtons | and one more thing |
| 06:43.57 | PryMar56 | fishcooker, `df` |
| 06:44.09 | MooseElkingtons | I've been trying to assign the 'windows' key to display the main menu, but whenever I try assigning it to the windows key, it doesn't work. is there any solution to that? |
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| 06:45.17 | r4co0n | MooseElkingtons, you are running debian stable (squeeze) with gnome? |
| 06:45.23 | MooseElkingtons | yep |
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| 06:45.34 | dunkel2 | and how do i do that r4co0n |
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| 06:46.20 | dunkel2 | $ ls /usr/lib/libssl |
| 06:46.20 | dunkel2 | libssl3.so libssl3.so.1d libssl.a libssl.so libssl.so.0.9.8 |
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| 06:49.52 | r4co0n | dunkel2, not really a clue, you should try this where nothing important breaks in case of fuckup... http://wiki.debian.org/CreateDummyPackage |
| 06:50.10 | r4co0n | though this very part can hardly be harmful |
| 06:51.04 | jelly-home | dunkel2: it's best not to mix packages from different, newer releases into stable. |
| 06:51.11 | r4co0n | MooseElkingtons, try something as described here to capture logokey, i guess http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=504499#10 |
| 06:51.30 | dunkel2 | im trying this http://mosquitto.org/2013/01/mosquitto-debian-repository/ |
| 06:51.34 | jelly-home | dunkel2: where did you get that mosquitto package and which debian release do you have installed? |
| 06:51.35 | dunkel2 | i just installed debian |
| 06:51.42 | microcode | could somebody point me to a good way of getting systemd up and running and exclusive on debian? |
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| 06:51.55 | dunkel2 | Linux debian 2.6.32-5-686 #1 SMP Sun Sep 23 09:49:36 UTC 2012 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 06:52.07 | microcode | (I'm on debian unstable for the time being) |
| 06:52.57 | jelly-home | dunkel2: what does "lsb_release -rsc" say? |
| 06:53.02 | fishcooker | thank PryMar56 |
| 06:53.03 | MooseElkingtons | That's what I tried doing r4co0n, but the windows key doesn't work, just like if it were my arrow keys a little while ago. |
| 06:53.05 | dunkel2 | why it says i686 if i installed the debian 386? |
| 06:53.16 | dunkel2 | 6.0.6 |
| 06:53.17 | dunkel2 | squeeze |
| 06:53.46 | jelly-home | dunkel2: so you're on debian 6, and that repo needs newer, testing debian than what you have. |
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| 06:54.09 | jelly-home | dunkel2: ask the vendor to provide packages built for squeeze. |
| 06:54.10 | dunkel2 | its for wehezy |
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| 06:54.38 | dunkel2 | what version is the wheezy? |
| 06:54.45 | MooseElkingtons | 7. |
| 06:54.48 | MooseElkingtons | I think. |
| 06:55.04 | microcode | 7 |
| 06:55.31 | jelly-home | dunkel2: it's going to be 7 when it's released, it's "testing" now. |
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| 06:55.49 | dunkel2 | oh i see |
| 06:56.05 | MooseElkingtons | this channel doesn't support wheezy, does it? |
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| 06:57.18 | jelly-home | dunkel2: if you care more about the application than about the OS, you can try upgrading the current installation to wheezy; unrelated things will break tho |
| 06:57.37 | jelly-home | dpkg, tell dunkel2 about squeeze->wheezy |
| 06:58.00 | dunkel2 | im getting this also sometimes |
| 06:58.00 | dunkel2 | sys.stderr.write(_("Can't set locale; make sure $LC_* and $LANG are correct!\n")) |
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| 06:59.22 | jelly-home | dunkel2: install the locales package, or run "dpkg-reconfigure locales" if it's installed already and enable whatever locale your environment uses |
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| 06:59.56 | r4co0n | MooseElkingtons, another link, ancient, but it should still work: http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2003/05/msg01045.html |
| 07:00.20 | MooseElkingtons | tried it, it didn't work. |
| 07:00.29 | MooseElkingtons | tried it before I even got the arrow key issue. |
| 07:00.31 | dunkel2 | jelly-home: thank you! |
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| 07:01.59 | r4co0n | does xev show the right key being pressed when you hit logokey? |
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| 07:04.09 | MooseElkingtons | nope r4co0n. |
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| 07:05.57 | MooseElkingtons | r4co0n, http://paste.debian.net/229556/ |
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| 07:10.49 | r4co0n | MooseElkingtons, as far as I can tell this works correctly, you get a KeyPre |
| 07:11.22 | r4co0n | MooseElkingtons, sry, you get a KeyPress event before the release you posted, dont you? |
| 07:11.32 | MooseElkingtons | yes |
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| 07:12.24 | r4co0n | now you know x server passes the keypress on correctly |
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| 07:13.20 | r4co0n | MooseElkingtons, may this be related to the other keyboard issue you had today? |
| 07:13.28 | MooseElkingtons | somewhat. |
| 07:13.57 | r4co0n | what did you do to make keys fail progressively? |
| 07:13.58 | MooseElkingtons | I accidentally assigned the down arrow key to muting the volume, but I removed that shortcut and it didn't work |
| 07:14.23 | r4co0n | you overwrote it when you reassigned first time |
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| 07:14.36 | MooseElkingtons | yeah, I figured as much, but I needed to fix that. |
| 07:14.45 | MooseElkingtons | your solution seemed to work. |
| 07:14.54 | r4co0n | you wrote, now my page-down works neither and so on |
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| 07:16.00 | MooseElkingtons | yeah, I read somewhere to try restoring the defaults with xkeycaps |
| 07:16.15 | r4co0n | imho all you reassigned should be reset when you set the keymap again |
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| 07:17.10 | MooseElkingtons | well, now that I know the windows key's keycode is 133, how do I set the shortcut? |
| 07:18.47 | r4co0n | MooseElkingtons, like here, it is done twice, for left and right logo key, i suppose |
| 07:18.51 | r4co0n | http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2003/05/msg01045.html |
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| 07:19.46 | MooseElkingtons | I tried that, r4co0n |
| 07:19.49 | MooseElkingtons | it doesn't work. |
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| 07:20.23 | r4co0n | MooseElkingtons, it fails silently? |
| 07:20.43 | r4co0n | MooseElkingtons, did you try to remap something else, just for testing? |
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| 07:20.49 | MooseElkingtons | such as? |
| 07:21.16 | r4co0n | dunno, pgup to some umlaut or anything |
| 07:21.27 | MooseElkingtons | no. |
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| 07:27.46 | mms_ | debian installer unable to connect to mirror |
| 07:28.07 | mms_ | I tried netinst so now shall try cd image instead |
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| 07:54.01 | the-croupier | how can one add greek-keyboard to debian....seems like google is not giving an straight forward answer.... and the ones there seem for the whole system... i just need it for the keyboard :( maybe crazy noob question :( sorry |
| 07:54.58 | the-croupier | got this: http://wiki.debian.org/Keyboard is there another way |
| 07:55.09 | jelly-home | the-croupier: /msg dpkg keymap |
| 07:55.23 | jelly-home | probably the same information |
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| 07:58.06 | bails | hello I've been getting gpg errors from archive.debian.org for about 5 days now. Looks like the key has expired. Anyone know where I can get an updated one from? |
| 07:58.16 | the-croupier | system settings :( i think took care of it ;) |
| 07:58.24 | the-croupier | jelly-home, thank you |
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| 07:59.08 | ronny2 | anyone aware of a steam installer for debian, i could only find some for ubuntu (NO NOT WANT) |
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| 08:14.24 | hellyeah | hey |
| 08:14.26 | hellyeah | anyone here |
| 08:14.32 | x42 | hi |
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| 08:15.34 | hellyeah | it is the way gnome3 supposed to be |
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| 08:21.48 | veryape | hellyeah: checked out https://extensions.gnome.org/ ?? |
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| 08:44.48 | ribe | can someone recomend a source where a newbie can learn basic debian networking? |
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| 08:50.34 | anddam | sudo is asking me for password every time even if I set timestamp_timeout to 60, is there anything overriding it? |
| 08:51.07 | anddam | this is a plain Debian6 config file with "Defaults timestamp_timeout = 60" added, and my user is in sudo group |
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| 09:01.38 | anddam | nvm http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=598567 |
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| 09:03.29 | microcode | anybody here have working systemd unit files for socket-activated sshd? |
| 09:04.06 | bla | Is there 'getpwent' tool in any Debian package? Can't google it or package.debian.org-it. |
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| 09:05.29 | jelly-home | bla: use "getent passwd ..." |
| 09:06.07 | bla | Ah, sure. Thanks |
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| 09:06.58 | ChrisH | bla: getpwent (3) - get password file entry <<<- thats the library call |
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| 09:07.35 | bla | Yeah, I was coding it lastly and so misremembered the tool name |
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| 09:08.31 | hatake | microcode, systemctl start sshd.service |
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| 09:12.02 | ChrisH | bla: and getent does work for all name services like hosts, password, ... |
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| 09:12.46 | bla | ChrisH, yeah, I figured. I just remembered it wrong and searched for non-existant tool. No wonder I couldn't find it. |
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| 09:33.09 | microcode | hatake: no, socket-activated, as in running as a result of a connection coming in on a socket |
| 09:34.26 | hatake | what result systemctl status sshd.service |
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| 09:34.58 | microcode | hatake: I already have static ssh.service running |
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| 09:35.15 | hatake | paste plz dpaste or pastebin etc |
| 09:35.16 | microcode | just wanted to know if anyone has set it up to be a socket-activated service |
| 09:35.22 | microcode | paste what, and why? |
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| 09:36.05 | hatake | I just wanted to see if there was anything odd |
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| 09:36.26 | microcode | Active: active (running) since Mon, 28 Jan 2013 04:30:43 -0500; 4min 55s ago |
| 09:36.32 | microcode | nothing odd at all |
| 09:36.37 | microcode | I want ssh.socket |
| 09:36.42 | microcode | not ssh.service |
| 09:36.43 | microcode | :) |
| 09:36.48 | hatake | hmm |
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| 09:37.43 | hatake | microcode, reinstal meaby |
| 09:38.04 | microcode | ahh |
| 09:38.08 | microcode | so hatake is a troll |
| 09:38.16 | microcode | got it working without the help of trolls |
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| 09:41.56 | hatake | hmm |
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| 09:43.21 | microcode | ! |
| 09:43.25 | microcode | !h |
| 09:43.25 | dpkg | h is plank's constant or 6.625*10^-34 J*s. It's also the file extension of header files. (Note that h with crossed bar has 2pi in it...), or hydrogen |
| 09:43.35 | microcode | !help |
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| 09:43.41 | microcode | nope |
| 09:43.50 | microcode | no funkycoolbot |
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| 09:47.01 | babilen | microcode: Please "/msg dpkg dpkgbot" to learn how to learn the bot and refrain from calling people in here trolls for no good reason |
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| 09:55.22 | hatake | microcode, but i just want to help, sorry if I'm wrong |
| 09:55.29 | daimrod | urh, http://cdimage.debian.org is down |
| 09:55.46 | hatake | babilen thank you |
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| 10:03.37 | zw01 | hi there -- i'm getting some confusing behavior experimenting with read-only bind mounts |
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| 10:04.14 | zw01 | doing the bind mount and then mount -o remount,ro on the bind mount seems to cause the original directory (the one the bind mount was made *from*) to *also* become read-only |
| 10:04.34 | zw01 | demo script: http://paste.debian.net/229592/ |
| 10:04.51 | zw01 | results on my wheezy box: http://paste.debian.net/229595/ |
| 10:05.14 | jelly | zw01: could be a real bug. What if you don't use remount, but mount it ro from the start? |
| 10:05.20 | zw01 | results on on 2.6.32-based centos-6 box: http://paste.debian.net/229593/ |
| 10:05.57 | zw01 | jelly: as in 'mount --bind -o remount,ro /src /dst'? |
| 10:07.02 | jelly | no remount dude. |
| 10:07.25 | zw01 | ah, sorry, misread -- so just 'mount --bind -o ro /src /dst'? |
| 10:08.01 | zw01 | with that: mount: warning: /mnt/misc/foo/view seems to be mounted read-write. |
| 10:08.08 | zw01 | (and both /src and /dst remain rw) |
| 10:08.27 | jelly | it seems bind mounts don't have that functionality in your kernel version |
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| 10:09.22 | zw01 | would that be a kernel regression then? it works as expected on CentOS's 2.6.32 kernel, fwiw |
| 10:09.38 | jelly | Redhat often backports functionality into their kernels, which explains why it works there |
| 10:09.54 | zw01 | true |
| 10:10.05 | jelly | so it could be a regression or it could be working as expected |
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| 10:11.05 | zw01 | also: 'man mount' notes that mount options cannot be changed by combining -o and --bind |
| 10:11.17 | zw01 | so separate mount --bind; mount -o remount,ro is I guess the expected use-case, though as mentioned that seems to mess things up for me |
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| 10:12.07 | jelly | time to file a bug report then |
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| 10:12.38 | jelly | still, one can mount -o bind,ro /src /dst |
| 10:12.55 | Slydder | I just installed fail2ban and am trying to get it working. I enabled the courierauth jail with iptables-all action. the iptables entry is being made but the attacker is still accessing the pop3 server. |
| 10:13.05 | jelly | zw01: (it doesn't work either) |
| 10:13.06 | Slydder | I even tried reloading the chain "fail2ban-client reload courierauth" with no effect. iptables -Ln shows fail2ban-courierauth at the top of the input chain and the fail2ban-courierauth chain itself has an entry for the banned IP but nothing is happening. any ideas? |
| 10:13.19 | Slydder | aren't the target chains at the top of the INPUT chain executed prior to all other entries in the INPUT chain? |
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| 10:13.48 | blubberdiblub | Slydder, they are run in order, yes |
| 10:14.17 | Slydder | then why doesn't the drop work. this makes no since at all. |
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| 10:15.06 | Slydder | the target chain entry is at the very top of the INPUT chain and drop entry for the banned IP in the target chain itsself but nothing happens. |
| 10:16.15 | blubberdiblub | then the rules probably don't match |
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| 10:17.13 | Slydder | moment |
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| 10:24.52 | johndoe | what command do i use instead of 'make install' to get a .deb package? |
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| 10:25.34 | babilen | johndoe: What are you trying to built? Has it been packaged yet? |
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| 10:26.24 | johndoe | babilen: no package yet. just a package i can install on my system. |
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| 10:27.48 | babilen | johndoe: So what is it that you are trying to debianise? Why do you need a .deb package? There isn't really a command such as "make install" that will create a policy compliant and good Debian package (packaging is harder and explained in the New Maintainer's Guide (/msg dpkg nmg)) |
| 10:28.13 | johndoe | babilen: i just want a basic .deb package |
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| 10:28.33 | johndoe | its easier to remove a .deb package, than a 'make install' installed program |
| 10:28.39 | cm13g09 | johndoe: what program is it that you want? |
| 10:28.54 | johndoe | it doesnt matter what program i want |
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| 10:29.53 | babilen | dpkg: tell johndoe -about stow |
| 10:29.55 | babilen | dpkg: tell johndoe -about stow usage |
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| 10:30.10 | cm13g09 | johndoe: it does - because it may already have the build scripts in the source bundle. dpkg-buildpackage will build a .deb, if the necessary work has been done by the original developers |
| 10:30.14 | babilen | johndoe: I would recommend to simply use stow to manage local installation to /usr/local |
| 10:30.30 | cm13g09 | or indeed, as babilen has pointed out, stow may help you out |
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| 10:30.57 | babilen | johndoe: There are tools such as checkinstall that will create a "Debian" package, but using stow is IMHO /much/ cleaner and preferrable. |
| 10:31.03 | cm13g09 | babilen: I was convinced there was a package to deal with that, forgot what it was though ;) |
| 10:31.06 | johndoe | ah thanks :) |
| 10:32.41 | babilen | johndoe: But just use stow, it is the right tool for the job and not some ugly hack such as checkinstall ;) |
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| 10:36.10 | CuteAlien | Hi! Some trouble I got on squeeze since a while: Whenever I press the back-button in Iceweasel my fonts are looking a little messed up at first (maybe anti-aliasing missing). As soon as I move the window or do anything they then smooth out. Does this problem sound familiar to anyone and/or someone got an idea how to fix that again? |
| 10:36.14 | somiaj | johndoe: dh_make in some cases can make a debian/ good enough for compiling a .deb as a way to make an actual package. |
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| 10:36.46 | CuteAlien | Not on all websites, but for example on news.ycombinator.com I can reproduce it all the time. |
| 10:37.20 | CuteAlien | (and can't do a screenshot - as soon as I do a screenshot the fonts get smoothed as well) |
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| 10:37.50 | johndoe | CuteAlien: it happens sometimes to me too |
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| 10:38.41 | somiaj | I think it is the version of iceweasel. It seems to sometimes shift everything off one pixle and needs a refresh to draw it correctly. Never tracked it down, but haven't seen it in newer versions |
| 10:39.03 | CuteAlien | version I have is 18.0.1 |
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| 10:39.27 | somiaj | is it from mozilla.debian.net? |
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| 10:40.07 | CuteAlien | Hm, probably? Sorry, installed that over a year ago via backports I think - not exactly sure. |
| 10:41.01 | CuteAlien | yeah, mozilla.debian.net is in the list |
| 10:41.20 | somiaj | I use to get strange graphical glitches like that and never isolated the source. I use chromium now |
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| 10:54.17 | mms_ | hi I installed debian guest on vbox with NAT setting. I need to configure proxy though setting http proxy during install did not go well thus ended with not setting the mirror for package manager. Now after the install there is not internet connectivity so can one guide next step to achieving it. I guess I need to set proxy. |
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| 10:56.46 | CuteAlien | *sigh* reportbug crashes as soon as I enter the packagename I want to report |
| 10:57.55 | themill | CuteAlien: using the cli version or the gtk version of reportbug? |
| 10:58.00 | CuteAlien | gtk |
| 10:58.20 | CuteAlien | /usr/lib/pymodules/python2.6/reportbug/ui/gtk2_ui.py:476: PangoWarning: pango_layout_set_width: assertion `layout != NULL' failed |
| 10:58.27 | themill | try the cli version -- there's a known bug in the gtk version that the maintainers can't reproduce and the reporters can't debug |
| 10:59.22 | themill | (and the corollary to that is: if you know some python and perhaps some pygtk and can help debug it, that would be awesome) |
| 11:00.00 | CuteAlien | Sorry, I know Python about as well as Japanese (can say hello and count to 2) |
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| 11:00.23 | themill | hehe |
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| 11:05.35 | CuteAlien | I'm also not sure... _do_ I have a mail transport agent configured on this computer? I can receive/send emails.. does that mean yes or is a MTA about mail servers? |
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| 11:07.34 | themill | CuteAlien: unless you specifically configured something like exim to be able to send mail to external hosts, then say that you don't have an MTA configured. |
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| 11:08.36 | CuteAlien | ok thanks. |
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| 11:08.56 | zw01 | fwiw, i submitted a bug report ~30 minutes ago via reportbug (cli version, using debian bugreport MTA, I don't have a local one of my own) -- it *appeared* to succeed, but i've seen no sign of the confirmation email it claimed i'd receive, and at this point am not optimistic that i'm going to... |
| 11:09.17 | _martin | hi, I connected a usb hdd to my debian system. this usb hdd got to partions but only the systempartion was mounted. how can I mount the second partion on the usb hdd? |
| 11:10.10 | ChrisH | _martin: run blkid /dev/sdY? to find out about the filesystems. replace Y with the correct letter and keep the ? |
| 11:10.12 | EmleyMoor | _martin: mount /dev/sdX2 /mountpoint - where X is the letter given to the drive... |
| 11:10.35 | ChrisH | _martin: that mount command is the second step |
| 11:10.47 | EmleyMoor | ChrisH: Of course... |
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| 11:11.27 | themill | zw01: depending on how much spam the BTS is currently dealing with, it can be a bit slow to reply sometimes |
| 11:11.38 | _martin | when i execute blkid /dev/sdba1 |
| 11:11.38 | _martin | I will get no output |
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| 11:12.03 | EmleyMoor | _martin: It's sdb2 you want, likely |
| 11:12.32 | _martin | also no output |
| 11:12.52 | zw01 | themill: ok, thanks -- perhaps i should be a bit more patient (though I did get two reasonably prompt responses from a subscription request to another bug since trying to submit mine) |
| 11:12.55 | EmleyMoor | Are you sure it's sdb? |
| 11:13.06 | _martin | yes |
| 11:13.19 | ChrisH | _martin: no its blkid /dev/sdb? what you want! |
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| 11:13.27 | _martin | i tried both versions |
| 11:13.54 | themill | zw01: yeah. handling bugs through mail is really convenient a lot of the time and being able to do it asynchronously is great most of the time... but sometimes a synchronous ACK would be nice. |
| 11:13.56 | ChrisH | _martin: than run blkid without any option |
| 11:14.18 | zw01 | themill: yes, agreed |
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| 11:15.00 | _martin | ah so it should be sda5 http://paste.debian.net/229613/ which i should mount? |
| 11:15.38 | EmleyMoor | sda5 would be correct, if the partition is an extended one... |
| 11:16.03 | EmleyMoor | Though that's not on sdb... |
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| 11:17.00 | _martin | mount /dev/sda5 /cold/ mount: unknown filesystem type 'lvm2pv' |
| 11:17.06 | _martin | oh no! |
| 11:17.30 | EmleyMoor | That's LVM... |
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| 11:22.27 | _martin | when I use lvdisplay it does'nt display the logical volumes of sda5 |
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| 11:23.07 | xcheng | because a LV is created inside a VG |
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| 11:23.37 | xcheng | in turn VG consists of one or more PV's |
| 11:24.11 | _martin | too bad i got no pvs command |
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| 11:26.52 | Yoshi1 | anyone know if theres an SDL room on freenode? |
| 11:27.32 | ChrisH | _martin: can you run vgscan please... should show a VG named and a second one... BTW, did you ask some days ago? I remember the /dev/c/c |
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| 11:27.43 | _martin | yes |
| 11:28.16 | _martin | http://paste.debian.net/229614/ ChrisH |
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| 11:28.43 | ChrisH | _martin: try pvscan first |
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| 11:29.11 | _martin | http://paste.debian.net/229615/ |
| 11:30.08 | ChrisH | _martin: strange... pvdisplay /dev/sda5 |
| 11:30.23 | _martin | <PROTECTED> |
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| 11:31.37 | _martin | at the moment the nas got a disc containing a systempartion and a logicalgroup named C. The sda also got a systempartion with a logicalgroup c. I think this is making trouble |
| 11:31.51 | ChrisH | _martin: would it be possible to reboot with attached USB Disk? I was called for lunch. Otherwise I wopuld like to see pvdisplay -v ; vgdisplay -v ; lshw -short pease |
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| 11:34.02 | _martin | http://paste.debian.net/229621/ |
| 11:34.17 | _martin | At the moment I can't reboot the nas because its restoring some backupdata |
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| 11:35.49 | Zitter | how to execute a script every 45 minutes? |
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| 11:35.56 | CuteAlien | zw01: bugreporting answer arrived here within seconds when I send one right now. So maybe yours didn't get through... |
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| 11:39.33 | Simy | Ok I'm trying to google but I'm a bit lost here. When I drag windows it goes painfully slow. I just recently did an update so not sure what the difference is, glxinfo shows direct rendering, and glxgears in fullscreen was in the 15-17 fps range. I'm using "radeon" driver. |
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| 11:40.38 | hellyeah | hey |
| 11:40.45 | hellyeah | how can i disable screensaver |
| 11:42.00 | CuteAlien | hellyeah, with gnome it should be system -administration - screensaver |
| 11:42.10 | babilen | CuteAlien: IIRC it is Gnome3 |
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| 11:42.16 | Simy | http://lmgtfy.com/?q=disable+screensaver+in+gnome+debian&l=1 |
| 11:42.39 | babilen | hellyeah: Or which desktop environment are you using? And Simy has a point ... Did you try to find the answer yourself? |
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| 11:42.50 | cornor | hello |
| 11:43.00 | hellyeah | gnome |
| 11:43.13 | Simy | hellyeah: my link, first link. enjoy |
| 11:43.21 | cornor | what is the different on the packages between libxxx4-dev and libxxx-dev? |
| 11:43.49 | cornor | while i have checked the installed version looks like the same |
| 11:43.53 | Simy | corner try apt-cache show |
| 11:44.12 | achadwick | Is there a way of getting git-buildpackage to work when debian/ is a submodule? |
| 11:44.12 | CuteAlien | But if your problem is that it just goes black every 10 minutes it might be X11 trouble. Then you need in /etc/X11/xorg.conf something like: http://ideone.com/vdtzKB |
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| 11:44.39 | cornor | Simmy, nothing shown |
| 11:44.48 | Simy | what is the specific package names? |
| 11:45.06 | _martin | Zitter with cron jobs |
| 11:45.09 | cornor | for example libtiff4-dev and libtiff-dev |
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| 11:45.37 | Simy | tom@DBN:/home/www# apt-cache show libtiff-dev N: Can't select versions from package 'libtiff-dev' as it is purely virtual |
| 11:45.37 | Zitter | _martin, yes I found thanks! */45 it executes every 45 minutes |
| 11:46.07 | Simy | cornor: basically what that means is that the one without the number points to the one with a number (typically) |
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| 11:46.29 | Simy | its a dummy package, it may include one or more actual packages (or, I guess virtual packages) |
| 11:46.49 | cornor | i see, i thought that it's for different libs version |
| 11:46.51 | cornor | thx |
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| 11:54.11 | TomyLobo | i'm trying to make a debian package with dh_make. it told me to make sure to use $DESTDIR |
| 11:54.18 | TomyLobo | in my makefile |
| 11:54.48 | ChrisH | _martin: the sda5 VG is also named c? |
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| 11:57.29 | babilen | dpkg: tell TomyLobo -about mentors |
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| 12:00.52 | ChrisH | _martin: does vgs -v print two VGs named c with different UUIDs? If yes, please pastebin |
| 12:01.58 | achadwick | Answering my own question: --git-submodules is required for that sort of thing. |
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| 12:02.48 | dbanet | has set away! (Caldonia) [Log:ON] .gz. |
| 12:02.54 | dbanet | has returned. .gz. |
| 12:03.28 | archl | hi, can I ask what if "dd bs=4M if=/home/jiero/Downloads/debian-wheezy-DI-b4-amd64-CD-1.iso of=/dev/sdb2" done, but I still cannot boot into it. |
| 12:03.38 | archl | how do i check |
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| 12:04.33 | ChrisH | archl: 1. yes you can ask here. 2. Why did you dd an iso onto sdb2? What si sdb2 |
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| 12:05.28 | archl | ChrisH: sdb1 was partition I used for exchanging data, the sdb2 is the 3GB partition I used for Linux installation |
| 12:05.31 | _martin | ChrisH yes " _martin: the sda5 VG is also named c?" |
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| 12:05.53 | _martin | ChrisH I havent install vgs |
| 12:07.05 | themill | dbanet: please disable public away/back messages. We don't need to know. |
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| 12:07.32 | ChrisH | archl: Who told you, that such a command installs debian? If you want to install debian from such an iso, you need to cat it onto eg. an usb stick or sdb disk. But not into some partition but onto the disk itself. Here it would be: cat x.iso > /dev/sdb BUT be aware this DELETE all data on sdb! |
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| 12:08.56 | ChrisH | _martin: get it. that seems to be the only way to get the UUID from the VG and then you can rename the VG based on the UUID. Or maybe some has another idea to get the uuid.... or put the USB disk onto another system with a VG named C and run vgrename there. |
| 12:09.15 | _martin | ChrisH thanks |
| 12:09.25 | _martin | I will try this at evining I have to go now |
| 12:09.37 | archl | shall I try to use an application to install debian? |
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| 12:11.18 | ChrisH | archl: you might want to use debbootstrap (spelling unsure). But this is not the way I would recommend to a beginner in Debian and/or Linux |
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| 12:12.25 | wols_ | ChrisH: only works if you already run a linux of some sort |
| 12:13.13 | ChrisH | wols_: I never did it myself. I prefer PXE or optical media. |
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| 12:14.10 | archl_ | Sorry, I disconnected. DId I miss something ? |
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| 12:14.58 | ChrisH | archl_: assuming you are a beginner... we recommend to use the standard way using an optical media or an USB stick. |
| 12:15.31 | archl | ChrisH: oh, I just noticed I shall ask in #debian-next |
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| 12:16.43 | wols_ | they won't tell you different |
| 12:16.48 | wols_ | !tell archl about ig |
| 12:17.19 | archl | ChrisH: well, isn't this command work the same on USB stick? |
| 12:17.42 | ChrisH | archl: what HW do you have and what do you want to do? Install a Desktop/Laptop or Server? |
| 12:18.30 | archl | ChrisH: HP 2730P Tablet, install debian over Ubuntu 12.10. Desktop version. |
| 12:19.02 | ChrisH | and what Media is possible? CDROM, SD card, ? |
| 12:19.09 | archl | I used the wheezy image overwritten the Ubuntu image on same partition . |
| 12:19.26 | archl | ChrisH: USB is the only method |
| 12:19.56 | ChrisH | USB connected DVD drive at hand? Or an USB Stick which can be deleted? |
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| 12:20.45 | archl | ChrisH: you mean to use the whole disk will make a difference? |
| 12:21.22 | blubberdiblub | that's the way it is supposed to work |
| 12:21.42 | ChrisH | archl: That is what I try to explain from the beginning :) Yes, use the whole disk device file like sdc |
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| 12:23.14 | archl | Ok, thank you, ChrisH blubberdiblub. |
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| 12:24.12 | archl | This isn't a good design btw... |
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| 12:24.58 | ChrisH | archl: Why? |
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| 12:26.16 | blubberdiblub | it's as simple as it gets. it's much easier than having to install and configure your own bootloader onto the USB stick |
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| 12:26.22 | archl | ChrisH: external drive are made up for back-up data and now you must delete everything on it. |
| 12:26.28 | jelly | !tell dbanet about away |
| 12:27.35 | wols_ | archl: a small usb stick is worthless. and thats all you need to install debian |
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| 12:30.16 | archl | wols_: If I can refuse father from borrowing it :) |
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| 12:34.50 | mms_ | hi I installed debian guest on vbox with NAT setting. proxy setting is not working in installer so ended with not setting the mirror for package manager. Now after the install there is not internet connectivity so can one guide next step to achieving it. I guess I need to set proxy. |
| 12:35.44 | wols_ | mms_: do you use a proxy or nat? |
| 12:35.58 | mms_ | wols_: NAT for guest OS. |
| 12:35.59 | ChrisH | mms_: Can you ping your proxy from the debian guest? |
| 12:36.18 | mms_ | ChrisH: No ping reply from host or guest. |
| 12:36.42 | mms_ | I mean proxy ping fails from both host as well as guest |
| 12:37.27 | ChrisH | mms_: anything else you can ping from the host in the local net? |
| 12:37.49 | mms_ | ChrisH: yes local intranet I can ping web site |
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| 12:37.55 | czytacz | hi, i'm having a "grandchild failed with exit status 127" problem when I try to run my script via cron. The script content: #!/bin/sh |
| 12:37.57 | czytacz | /usr/bin/mysqldump -uuser -ppass dbname | gzip -9 > /var/www/creative/backup/db-$(date +%Y%m%d-%H%M).sql.gz |
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| 12:38.06 | wols_ | mms_: does your host OS need a proxy for internet access? |
| 12:38.11 | ChrisH | mms_: OK. can you ping that from the guest? |
| 12:38.19 | mms_ | ChrisH: yes it works too |
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| 12:40.09 | mms_ | yes guys any clues |
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| 12:40.26 | ChrisH | mms_: OK. then the network connectiviy is given. Do you want to use Network Manager or similar stuff inside the guest? For apt: add to /etc/apt/apt.conf a line like Acquire::http { Proxy "http://proxy:9999"; }; replace proxy and port with your values |
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| 12:41.01 | mms_ | ChrisH: there is already such line in it |
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| 12:41.28 | ChrisH | mms_: then apt-get update should work |
| 12:41.29 | czytacz | any idea what could be wrong? |
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| 12:41.41 | mms_ | ChrisH: does not work |
| 12:42.25 | ChrisH | pastebin what happens |
| 12:42.33 | mms_ | ChrisH: I have Acquire::http::Proxy "http://myproxy.com:8080/"; |
| 12:42.47 | ChrisH | mms_: add a cat /etc/apt/apt.conf please |
| 12:42.55 | mms_ | vbox cut paste not working |
| 12:43.18 | mms_ | probably need to add some guest additions |
| 12:43.25 | mms_ | that apt.conf line I already pasted |
| 12:44.05 | mms_ | ChrisH: I provided apt.conf already |
| 12:44.21 | mms_ | ChrisH: erorr I get is related to proxy authentication. |
| 12:44.38 | ChrisH | What you pasted has an incorrect syntax to me. |
| 12:44.52 | mms_ | ok let me change as per yours then and try |
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| 12:45.48 | mms_ | ChrisH: same error |
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| 12:46.00 | mms_ | ChrisH: proxy auth failed |
| 12:46.25 | mms_ | ChrisH: I mean it states proxy authentication required |
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| 12:50.36 | ChrisH | mms_: search google with "apt.conf debian proxy authentication" and check there... my browser just crashed |
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| 12:55.58 | ViStefan | Hello! I'm trying to move from Windows to Linux. Is it good idea to choose Debian as my first distributin? |
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| 12:57.30 | themill | !why debian |
| 12:57.30 | dpkg | Debian strives to maintain your freedom whilst also paying close attention to the technical aspects of making a great OS. Debian is stable, upgradable and well tested. See also http://www.debian.org/intro/free http://www.debian.org/intro/why_debian http://people.debian.org/~srivasta/talks/why_debian/ (archived at http://wiki.debian.org/WhyDebian) http://www.aboutdebian.com/ . As an added bonus, you get to ask questions in #debian. |
| 12:57.35 | mms_ | ChrisH: most state using user and password and I donot know if mine has one |
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| 12:59.48 | ChrisH | mms_: then you need to ask your admins |
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| 13:01.06 | TomyLobo | ViStefan, themill note that it doesnt say "easy to use" anywhere in that factoid |
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| 13:02.13 | ViStefan | thx, i also have a question: I know, that i can have a troubles with installig debian or with drivers after installing. My machine is notebook. How can i ensure, that it will be all right. If i install VM with Debian on Windows and this will be OK, it is good signal, or they are independent and this isn't way to test? |
| 13:02.31 | TomyLobo | by installing ubuntu *cough* |
| 13:02.33 | mms_ | ChrisH: I have posed question to them and as I said when I used proxy to configure for Maven on host os it did not need any user/pass |
| 13:02.35 | themill | you could play around with a debian live image |
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| 13:02.58 | mms_ | ChrisH: that makes me feel that there no user pass requirement |
| 13:03.00 | TomyLobo | oh, "make sure" as in "know beforehand", not as in "ensure" |
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| 13:03.19 | ChrisH | ViStefan: These VM encapsualte the HW. So it was not a valid test. |
| 13:03.44 | ChrisH | mms_: Unless you pastebin the apt-get update output its hard to tell anything. |
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| 13:04.43 | ViStefan | TomyLobo: en is not native language, as you see. |
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| 13:05.20 | TomyLobo | neither is it to me |
| 13:05.31 | TomyLobo | and i even misread your "ensure" as "make sure" |
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| 13:06.10 | TomyLobo | anyway, if you want a system that just works with components made by silly manufacturers, debian is probably not for you |
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| 13:08.02 | ViStefan | The last question. I have Raspberry PI with Debian Wheezy. So, i tried to find package 'screen' in Aptitude register, but it wasn't. And command 'sudo apt-get install screen' was succesful, but why I haven't see this package in Aptitude's list? |
| 13:08.23 | ViStefan | TomyLobo: thhanks for language practice and recommendations. |
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| 13:08.55 | ChrisH | ViStefan: get a Wheezy netinstaller image, put it on a CD and boot from it. See what happens. I did the same with my Laptop and found I need to go to unstable and everything is working fine for me. |
| 13:08.56 | TomyLobo | ViStefan, i can tell you where the problem likely is but you wont like it :) |
| 13:09.21 | themill | ViStefan: were you looking for "screen" in the right section of aptitude's package tree? It will have been there somewhere |
| 13:09.29 | TomyLobo | it's somewhere between the keyboard and the chair :) |
| 13:09.44 | TomyLobo | type "/" to search for packages |
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| 13:10.34 | ViStefan | TomyLobo: i used. It failed. There was many packages lige GNOME-*screen*saver etc. |
| 13:10.39 | ViStefan | But not 'screen' |
| 13:10.55 | ViStefan | like* |
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| 13:12.00 | TomyLobo | ^screen |
| 13:12.26 | TomyLobo | "^" anchors |
| 13:12.38 | TomyLobo | that means it will only find stuff starting with screen |
| 13:12.49 | mms_ | ChrisH: it states proxy authentication required (Forefront TMG requires authroziation to fulfill the request. Acess to the web proxy filter is denied). |
| 13:12.59 | TomyLobo | there's also $, which you can put at the end to anchor it at the end |
| 13:13.01 | ViStefan | TomyLobo: i know, i know. |
| 13:13.09 | mms_ | ChrisH: when it tries to acccess using apt the security.debian |
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| 13:14.12 | ChrisH | mms_: try removing the security line |
| 13:14.25 | ChrisH | mms_: try removing the security line by adding a # at the beginning of the line |
| 13:14.35 | mms_ | ChrisH: then which mirror do I use ? |
| 13:14.44 | ViStefan | holy shit, 'screen' really is in list, but now it is already installed. In first time i've not found. Maybe i'm a looser. |
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| 13:14.53 | mms_ | ChrisH: it has just cdrom |
| 13:15.12 | ChrisH | mms_: the line before. ups. then you have only security in? Weird. |
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| 13:16.01 | mms_ | ChrisH: I had only cdrom because during install itself the proxy error causes apt to fails and I bypassed it. |
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| 13:16.35 | ChrisH | mms_: add a line as the bot told you. I am sure it will fail again. |
| 13:16.54 | mms_ | I donot see tht line |
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| 13:17.35 | ViStefan | Sou, you said "silly manufacturers". Well, what is distribution, that is friendly for such machines? |
| 13:17.50 | mms_ | while install many mirrors failed so I know internet connectivity is not working |
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| 13:20.59 | mms_ | ChrisH: I do not see the line ....could you paste again |
| 13:21.07 | BoozeWooz | Hello. I'm from other distro, but generally it should be the same. Anyone knows where settings for xinput are stored? |
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| 13:21.46 | ChrisH | mms_: checl http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ and add for testing eg: deb http://ftp2.de.debian.org/debian/ squeeze main non-free contrib |
| 13:22.38 | ChrisH | mms_: TMG seems to be some M$ Proxy, check eg http://social.technet.microsoft.com/Forums/nl/Forefrontedgegeneral/thread/77c9c7a2-86a1-45d0-bb82-ed3f40cb3920 |
| 13:22.42 | ViStefan | TomyLobo: ? |
| 13:23.19 | mms_ | ChrisH: same error |
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| 13:23.59 | ChrisH | TMG IS M$ Firewall... so this is not a client error, but some authentication issue of the proxy/firewall. WE cannot sort that out, your network admin can and must do that. |
| 13:24.34 | TomyLobo | i'm trying to make a new package, with correct DESTDIR handling, but i cant figure out how DESTDIR is passed to me: http://pastebin.com/iP1n5Keg |
| 13:26.11 | TomyLobo | ViStefan, by silly manufacturers, i mean manufacturers that dont release or support open source drivers |
| 13:27.14 | ViStefan | TomyLobo: I think i have a chanse with HP notebook? |
| 13:27.29 | TomyLobo | definitely worth a try |
| 13:27.30 | ViStefan | s/?/./ |
| 13:27.38 | ChrisH | ViStefan: I had my a Probook 6460b and a Elitebook 6930 |
| 13:27.40 | mms_ | ChrisH:logging off now |
| 13:27.42 | mms_ | thanks |
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| 13:28.03 | ChrisH | ViStefan: what HW is it? did you google for the HW name and debian or Linux in general? |
| 13:29.12 | ViStefan | ChrisH: you mean that i need to go thru |
| 13:29.31 | ChrisH | ViStefan: Give it a try, its worth it :) |
| 13:29.39 | ViStefan | thrue all devices, installed in, and google if they are compatible with linux? |
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| 13:30.09 | ViStefan | s/thrue/through/ |
| 13:30.40 | themill | ViStefan: wireless, video and sd card reader (if you care) are worth checking. The rest would normally be just fine. (and most wireless are just fine too... it's just that some are a right pain in the keyboard) |
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| 13:31.02 | ChrisH | ViStefan: I check that before I get them. With older devices the chance is much higher. Once more what Laptop do you have? |
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| 13:32.27 | sinisterstuf | hi, I dualboot with Windows 7 and every time I boot to Windows the next boot will fail. It gets as far as "grub loading" and then reboots, has anyone else seen this kind of thing before? |
| 13:32.29 | ViStefan | I have HP Pavilion m6 |
| 13:33.14 | sinisterstuf | of course I can solve the problem by using a livecd and re-installing grub to the disk but on the next boot to windows, grub's messed up again |
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| 13:34.01 | ChrisH | ViStefan: are you able to read german? |
| 13:34.08 | ViStefan | HP Pavilion m6-1013er |
| 13:34.11 | ViStefan | No, i can't |
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| 13:34.41 | darkbulb | How do I know if an upgrade from squeeze to Wheeze took - can I verify it from comand line |
| 13:34.43 | ChrisH | ViStefan: http://debianforum.de/forum/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=138241 reads promissing with wheezy |
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| 13:35.05 | TomyLobo | i'm trying to make a new package, with correct DESTDIR handling, but i cant figure out how DESTDIR is passed to me: http://pastebin.com/iP1n5Keg |
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| 13:35.31 | ViStefan | I have seen info on the site, linked in Debian FAQ, that have information about linux on laptops, and i haven't see my model on it. |
| 13:36.02 | ChrisH | ViStefan: some complains are there on sound distortion for system sounds. not for eg,. music |
| 13:36.41 | nkuttler | sinisterstuf: sounds like something is corrupting your mbr.. |
| 13:37.26 | themill | ViStefan: I'd suggest grabbing a wheezy debian live image (/msg dpkg live) and having a try. |
| 13:37.31 | ChrisH | ViStefan: http://h30434.www3.hp.com/t5/Notebook-Operating-Systems-e-g-Windows-8-and-Software/Linux-performs-great-on-HP-pavilion-m6-1035dx-with-AMD-A10/td-p/1697815 |
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| 13:39.38 | BoozeWooz | linux performs great on any computer |
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| 13:41.13 | ViStefan | themill: I'm already downloading the image |
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| 13:42.07 | ViStefan | ChrisH: thanks, i'll try to play with LiveImage, and then, if some errors will exists, i'll found info. |
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| 13:46.49 | IHAXEX1337 | hello |
| 13:47.13 | heqs | How can I fix an error telling me: 'error while loading shared libraries: libstdc++.so.6: wrong ELF class: ELFCLASS32? apt-get isn't working and presumably any other program which requires those libs |
| 13:47.33 | wols_ | do you run a 64bit system? |
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| 13:48.14 | sinisterstuf | thanks for your response nkuttler, do you have any idea what might cause it? as long as I keep not using windows everything works perfectly, but just booting to windows once messes it up again. |
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| 13:48.36 | rndmz | How can i change Pulseauio with Alsa? |
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| 13:49.37 | wols_ | sinisterstuf: maybe AV software? |
| 13:49.56 | heqs | wols_: my system is 64-bit, I think something has overwritten the libs with 32 bit versions |
| 13:50.15 | wols_ | sinisterstuf: maybe install grub to the partition instead of MBR and set up the windows bootloader so you can boot to grub from there? |
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| 13:51.19 | sinisterstuf | thanks for the tip wols_, I'll see what happens if I remove AV, and the thing is after windows has done it's thing, the computer still loads grub, but it just goes into a sort of boot loop |
| 13:51.30 | rndmz | How can i change Pulseauio with Alsa? |
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| 13:53.06 | wols_ | sinisterstuf: how far does grub get exactly? |
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| 13:53.28 | wols_ | something is writing to sectors 2-17 where part of grub resides it seems |
| 13:53.56 | wols_ | another way is to install grub to the partition and then set the partition with grub as active in the MBR with the "boot flag" |
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| 13:54.17 | wols_ | sometimes copy protections or DRM schemes use this space on disk, overwriting grub |
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| 13:56.13 | sinisterstuf | wols_, it just says "GRUB Loading" and then reboots, it's the message grub gives before it shows you the OS selection menu |
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| 14:04.48 | gena2x | how can it be that opengl (intel core i3) under root working fast and under user it looks like a software? |
| 14:05.25 | gena2x | glxinfo says that rendering is direct |
| 14:05.53 | skynix | hello, I have an old kde3 life image. and it will install on a very old pc. But the sources list is no longer correct. and I need the entries in the sources.list. oldstable lenny. can someone please tell me how the entries are. or where to find it? |
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| 14:06.29 | gena2x | archive.debian.org? |
| 14:06.44 | skynix | and also the corresponding keys |
| 14:06.51 | Seriebi | deb http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian-archive/debian/ lenny main contrib |
| 14:06.51 | Seriebi | deb-src http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian-archive/debian/ lenny main contrib |
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| 14:06.55 | Seriebi | you mean that ones? |
| 14:07.11 | skynix | Seriebi: yes |
| 14:07.19 | skynix | i´ll test it, thanks |
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| 14:07.27 | skynix | :) |
| 14:07.32 | Seriebi | you're welcome :) |
| 14:07.51 | gena2x | http://www.debian.org/distrib/archive |
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| 14:08.03 | gena2x | ^^^ list of mirrors of archive.debian.org |
| 14:08.04 | themill | skynix: lenny hasn't been a supported release for a year now. It's time to move on... |
| 14:08.33 | jelly | some people loved lenny very much, let them grieve |
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| 14:09.42 | vt0r | Those lenny people haven't caught up to us cutting-edge Sarge users. |
| 14:09.50 | skynix | themill: that's right, but that is the only kde3 iso still on this laptop works |
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| 14:12.18 | boudiccas | i've just got a usb keyboard and usb mouse, is it best practice to power off to plug them in or can i do it on a live setup please? |
| 14:13.26 | wols_ | USB is hot pluggable |
| 14:13.31 | wols_ | ps2 wasn't |
| 14:13.57 | boudiccas | yes, i see it with my backup usb h/d,but i'm jst checking before i do damage to my system |
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| 14:14.31 | gena2x | usb is hotpluggable by it's specification |
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| 14:17.40 | gena2x | but i've seen at least 2 funny stories with usb hotplug. Some sockets made improperly and allow to insert plug rotated. This lead to short-circuit, and you device immediately poweroff. In case of notebook it will never power-on back until you remove and insert back battery =) |
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| 14:19.25 | czytacz | could you please tell me what's wrong with my script? when cron runs it, I get empty files |
| 14:19.37 | czytacz | <PROTECTED> |
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| 14:20.15 | czytacz | when I dont gzip it, the file is ok |
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| 14:21.58 | jk | czytacz: gzip by default doesn't output the gzipp'ed content to stdout |
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| 14:23.08 | czytacz | jk: then how my line should look like? it works fine when I run it by hand |
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| 14:23.41 | jk | czytacz: /usr/bin/mysqldump -uuser -ppass dbname| /bin/gzip -c > /var/www/creative/backup/db_`date +\%Y\%m\%d-\%H\%M`.sql.gz |
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| 14:24.26 | czytacz | okay, gonna try it |
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| 14:25.29 | czytacz | nope, still empty file |
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| 14:26.51 | jk | hmm wait you're right, your original command seems OK. Strange... |
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| 14:27.58 | jk | czytacz: did you put this line as is in your crontab, or via a separate .sh file? |
| 14:28.09 | czytacz | seperate file |
| 14:28.38 | jk | and that has a #!/bin/sh line at the top? |
| 14:28.45 | czytacz | yup |
| 14:29.10 | czytacz | and it works if i dont use gzip |
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| 14:29.44 | czytacz | now it creates empty files with good names |
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| 14:29.51 | kikokos | hi |
| 14:29.54 | jk | how strange |
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| 14:30.04 | jk | czytacz: no error messages in your mail from cron? |
| 14:30.23 | czytacz | umm |
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| 14:31.04 | czytacz | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:31.06 | kikokos | recently I bought agp geforce 6200 for my old dell gx260 (which doesn't work well with debian because of the graphic intel chipset) and what I noticed is slower as it was before |
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| 14:31.41 | kikokos | glxgears is showing... 410 frames in 5 sek - could someone suggest what's wrong? :) |
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| 14:34.54 | czytacz | jk: where would cron 'mail' errors? |
| 14:34.55 | invariant | kikokos, either you are using software rendering or you use vsync, but then it should have been around 300. |
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| 14:35.48 | invariant | kikokos, I get 302 frames/second with better hardware. |
| 14:35.57 | invariant | kikokos, 302 frames/5 seconds. |
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| 14:37.38 | kikokos | invariant, ah so it's ok, I got to the idea that something is wrong after I couldn't run simply starcraft, |
| 14:38.00 | invariant | kikokos, no, it _might_ be ok. |
| 14:39.17 | invariant | kikokos, glxinfo shows detailed information. |
| 14:39.22 | kikokos | invariant, thx., that's strange i remember before it had worked on older dell with lenny, now I've got squeeze and little bit faster maschine and it doesn't |
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| 14:39.52 | invariant | kikokos, glxinfo | grep -i direct |
| 14:39.58 | invariant | kikokos, what does that say? |
| 14:40.11 | kikokos | say yes |
| 14:40.17 | invariant | kikokos, I always check that, and the actual output of glxinfo. |
| 14:40.31 | echo083 | DEB_HOST_MULTIARCH is not a supported variable name at /usr/bin/dpkg-architecture line 214 |
| 14:40.37 | kikokos | invariant, yes direct rendering |
| 14:40.44 | echo083 | which package should define DEB_HOST_MULTIARCH ? |
| 14:40.51 | invariant | kikokos, if glxinfo shows lots of None or slow lines, then it's likely that it's running with software rendering. |
| 14:41.18 | invariant | kikokos, if it's not running with software rendering, it will also show all kinds of vendor extensions, in your case for nvidia. |
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| 14:41.43 | invariant | kikokos, for example, I have GL_AMD_multi_draw_indirect, GL_AMD_name_gen_delete, etc. |
| 14:41.56 | kikokos | invariant, and then glxinfo shows lot of none and slow - indeed |
| 14:42.17 | invariant | kikokos, paste the whole thing on a paste site. |
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| 14:43.12 | frienz | http://kurll.me/3f79d |
| 14:43.12 | kikokos | invariant, that's it http://goo.gl/Yd9gC |
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| 14:43.38 | frienz | That link is a funny comic not spam fyi |
| 14:43.40 | invariant | kikokos, please paste somewhere else. |
| 14:43.47 | invariant | kikokos, I run adblockers. |
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| 14:43.58 | invariant | kikokos, that site disallows me watching it. |
| 14:44.01 | kikokos | invariant, ah moment then |
| 14:44.11 | invariant | kikokos, paste.kde.org or fpaste.org work. |
| 14:44.22 | boudiccas | or dpaste |
| 14:45.13 | invariant | boudiccas, the only reason I don't use paste.debian.* is that it doesn't support sending short pastes. |
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| 14:45.23 | kikokos | invariant, http://paste.kde.org/658364/ |
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| 14:45.41 | boudiccas | invariant: fair enough |
| 14:45.58 | invariant | boudiccas, it also has fairly short length limits. |
| 14:46.33 | invariant | kikokos, OpenGL renderer string: Software Rasterizer |
| 14:46.41 | invariant | kikokos, you are using software rendering. |
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| 14:47.09 | invariant | kikokos, you should install the binary nvidia driver or find someone else who vouches for the nouveau driver. |
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| 14:47.50 | invariant | kikokos, installing the binary nvidia driver is a very well documented process and I expect you to be able to complete that step with a google query or even... |
| 14:47.52 | invariant | !nvidia |
| 14:47.52 | dpkg | http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers . Ask me about <nouveau> (open source driver) or <nvidia dkms> (proprietary driver). For GPUs made before 2004, ask me about <nvidia legacy>. Installing directly from nvidia.com (i.e. with <nvidia-installer>) is _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia on irc.freenode.net. |
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| 14:48.01 | kikokos | invariant, ok will try to google that, |
| 14:48.05 | kikokos | invariant, o - thanks |
| 14:48.06 | invariant | kikokos, first look above. |
| 14:48.11 | invariant | kikokos, ok, good luck. |
| 14:48.28 | kikokos | invariant, yes I'm reading that |
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| 14:49.19 | nicestAdie | :/ |
| 14:49.29 | nicestAdie | WOOOOOOOOOO INCEST |
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| 15:06.02 | pmo | does anyone know where the "uname" above the motd is located at in debian wheezy?.. i cant find it in any of the 2 "original" locations ? |
| 15:07.01 | drphitheta | /etc/issue? |
| 15:07.08 | kikokos | invariant, I suppose that after installing nvidia i should reboot x? |
| 15:07.36 | pmo | nope drphitheta :/ |
| 15:07.37 | invariant | kikokos, load module and reboot X, but I would just restart. |
| 15:07.46 | invariant | kikokos, it's in the manual. |
| 15:07.48 | pmo | thats the banner for sshd |
| 15:07.54 | pmo | afaik? |
| 15:08.03 | themill | dpkg: tell pmo about motd |
| 15:08.19 | pmo | themill: the motd is empty :) |
| 15:08.27 | kikokos | invariant, yeach I'm slow with reading in eng, see you then |
| 15:08.28 | pmo | nothing it it, i deleted it |
| 15:08.40 | pmo | its the uname above "motd" themill |
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| 15:08.58 | drphitheta | pmo: It's only the sshd banner if you specify that in the config |
| 15:09.02 | themill | pmo: read the entire factoid... |
| 15:09.07 | pmo | i did |
| 15:09.13 | drphitheta | I'm pretty sure it's /etc/issue |
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| 15:09.40 | themill | pmo: then you have your answer! |
| 15:09.42 | pmo | drphitheta: motd is empty (by me), banner disabled, i still get the uname -a that is unrelated to "motd" |
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| 15:09.55 | themill | pmo: no. please reread what dpkg said. |
| 15:10.20 | pmo | themill: the bot only speaks about motd |
| 15:10.28 | pmo | thats unrelated more or less |
| 15:10.41 | themill | does it not talk about /run/motd.dynamic? |
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| 15:11.31 | pmo | so you want me to write motd.dynamic and it will overwrote the motd and everything else? |
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| 15:11.45 | themill | have you looked at that file? |
| 15:11.57 | pmo | i dont have another computer to look at that file on :) |
| 15:12.05 | pmo | this one has none |
| 15:12.07 | themill | why do you need another computer? |
| 15:12.16 | pmo | cuz i dont have that file |
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| 15:12.27 | pmo | looked for it last night too |
| 15:12.37 | pmo | where i figured out the motd was kinda unrelated |
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| 15:13.19 | pmo | its not in motd.tail either |
| 15:13.23 | pmo | thats just the motd |
| 15:13.28 | kikokos | invariant, so it slightly change the situation however http://paste.kde.org/658412/ new issues appeared |
| 15:13.32 | themill | pmo: no, /run/motd.dynamic (or /var/run/motd.dynamic) is what is shown on ssh login |
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| 15:14.06 | invariant | kikokos, you cannot just go and install things without understanding what you are doing. |
| 15:14.15 | kikokos | invariant, sorry http://paste.kde.org/658418/ |
| 15:14.16 | invariant | kikokos, when there is documentation, there is also no excuse for doing so. |
| 15:14.19 | pmo | i need the file that writes to that file then themill :) |
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| 15:14.32 | pmo | i looked it the boot one where it used to be |
| 15:14.34 | themill | pmo: have you not completed the upgrade to wheezy, perhaps? Is your system using /run as a symlink to /var/run? |
| 15:14.35 | pmo | nothing |
| 15:14.46 | kikokos | invariant, well I'm not complaining |
| 15:14.52 | pmo | upgrade? direct install |
| 15:14.59 | themill | pmo: working out what init script writes to /run/motd.dynamic takes about 1 second with grep. |
| 15:15.02 | zerick | Hi guys, Has anybody had problems with googlebot flooding your sites |
| 15:15.02 | pmo | i just think we misunderstand eachother |
| 15:15.06 | themill | (or you could just guess...) |
| 15:15.43 | pmo | themill: maybe, but it got changed in wheezy :) |
| 15:15.54 | themill | pmo: I'm talking about wheezy... |
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| 15:16.07 | themill | isn't sure how a smiley helps here either |
| 15:18.23 | kikokos | invariant, apart of that i haven't studied IT alas but literature so it's slowly ;P |
| 15:20.46 | pmo | themill: dont expect everyone else to know what you know.. like i dont expect you to be able got get into secured networks and such.. i know everyone doesnt know the same as me, we are different.. can you now stop being so grumpy? |
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| 15:21.36 | ScabbyMadman | Hi |
| 15:21.38 | themill | pmo: well, I keep being told by you that either I'm not giving you the answer or the information I'm giving you is wrong... when it is not. That tends to make me grumpy. |
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| 15:21.59 | themill | pmo: you might like to look in /etc/init.d/motd. |
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| 15:22.52 | ScabbyMadman | Am trying to remember how to set a higher priority for audio on my system. I remember editing a file once upon a time but now I cant remember which file |
| 15:23.05 | ScabbyMadman | anyone know? |
| 15:23.13 | pmo | themill: first thing i did last night :) |
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| 15:24.16 | pmo | thanks themill, it was in there |
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| 15:24.48 | pmo | im just used to the boot file |
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| 15:27.41 | ScabbyMadman | I have a question any takers? |
| 15:28.01 | max999 | was that the question? |
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| 15:29.01 | ScabbyMadman | max999 I wantto smooth out audio on my system -- I remember editing a file somewhere a long time ago, but Ive upgraded and do not remember which file to edit. |
| 15:29.18 | max999 | alsaconf stuff i guess |
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| 15:29.35 | kikokos | invariant, so it seems to be working I followed the steps. Now it's showing GL_EXT_direct_state_access, GL_EXT_draw_range_elements, GL_EXT_fog_coord, is it ok? |
| 15:29.46 | kikokos | invariant, no slow no none info |
| 15:29.48 | ScabbyMadman | max999 well this had more to do with the kernel execution |
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| 15:30.38 | ScabbyMadman | max999 like setting the priority for the audio group member and apps that run under that group |
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| 15:32.05 | ScabbyMadman | max999 its the ../limits.conf thanks |
| 15:32.11 | max999 | ScabbyMadman, sounds like you got yourself some keywords to google ;) ah u solved it good work |
| 15:32.28 | Heikki_ | ok s |
| 15:32.30 | ScabbyMadman | yeah thanks |
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| 15:32.47 | mw44118_ | hi -- I'm using debian testing right now, and it has packages for postgresql 9.2. which is great. postGIS is an extension for postgresql, but the postGIS packages are only for postgresql 9.1. What should I do? I need to install postGIS for postgresql 9.2. |
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| 15:36.33 | efazati | how can send email from bash with set smtp account? |
| 15:36.54 | wols_ | efazati: man mail |
| 15:36.56 | efazati | some things like this ... but exist in remp Software :: SendEmail - Send email with this free command line email client -> http://caspian.dotconf.net/menu/Software/SendEmail/ |
| 15:36.59 | wols_ | ,depends postgix wheezy |
| 15:37.01 | judd | No package named 'postgix' was found in wheezy/i386. |
| 15:37.09 | wols_ | ,depends postgis wheezy |
| 15:37.10 | judd | Package postgis in wheezy/i386 -- depends: libatk1.0-0 (>= 1.12.4), libc6 (>= 2.3.6-6~), libcairo2 (>= 1.2.4), libfontconfig1 (>= 2.8.0), libfreetype6 (>= 2.2.1), libgdk-pixbuf2.0-0 (>= 2.22.0), libglib2.0-0 (>= 2.12.0), libgtk2.0-0 (>= 2.8.0), libpango1.0-0 (>= 1.14.0), libpq5 (>= 8.4~). |
| 15:37.26 | wols_ | mw44118_: from the looks of it any postgres > 8.4 should work fine |
| 15:37.42 | efazati | wols_, work with external smtp? |
| 15:37.55 | efazati | i want send email with multiple smtp account wols_ |
| 15:38.44 | ScabbyMadman | max999 other thing I want to do is install the RT kernel on Debian Squeeze current but it wont go....set the backports repo as well |
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| 15:40.18 | Criten | Hey guys, is there a way to get Qt 4.8 on debian yet? |
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| 15:41.38 | anddam | is there a hosting control panel like virtualmin in Debian's repositories? |
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| 15:42.08 | wols_ | ,info ispconfig |
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| 15:42.11 | judd | No package named 'ispconfig' was found in squeeze/i386. |
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| 15:42.23 | themill | Criten: qt 4.8 is in wheezy |
| 15:43.12 | anddam | wols_: nope |
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| 15:45.13 | mw44118_ | wols_: thanks! but there's another package, called postgresql-9.1-postgis, and I need the postgresql-9.2-postgis version of that |
| 15:45.15 | anddam | wols_: none of the open source ones at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_web_hosting_control_panels |
| 15:45.16 | zykotick9 | anddam: is virtualmin for VMs? see "/msg dpkg free whcp" for the webmin alternatives |
| 15:45.39 | anddam | zykotick9: I guess just for hosting rather than VMs |
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| 15:45.50 | zykotick9 | anddam: then see "free whcp" |
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| 15:46.02 | anddam | yes, thanks |
| 15:46.09 | anddam | whcp is the right factoid |
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| 15:46.33 | anddam | "don't use webmin" |
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| 15:49.13 | anddam | so it'd be either GNUpanel or ISPConfig, neither of which appears to be on PDO |
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| 15:53.59 | wols_ | mw44118_: you probably need to compile it yourself then |
| 15:54.08 | mactimes | zykotick9 I wonder this has already been discussed here, but... what's the matter with Webmin? Feel free to answer me in a private message in order to keep the channel clean, if you feel like replying... |
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| 15:57.06 | lupine | what's wrong with webmin? dear me, where to start... |
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| 15:58.25 | mactimes | lupine Hummm. That's not a flame bait, just for the records. Legit question. I'm asking because I used to run that on a host before moving to ISPConfig. |
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| 16:01.12 | anddam | I was interested if there's actually a hosting panel in repository, seems there is none packaged, is this correct? |
| 16:01.52 | Criten | themill: can you get 4.7 in squeeze? |
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| 16:03.00 | themill | Criten: you could build a wheezy chroot (with schroot+debootstrap) within squeeze. Upgrading to wheezy would probably be simpler and easier at this stage. |
| 16:03.09 | mw44118_ | wols_: if I do that, would you suggest I build my own .deb packages too? I have a few boxes I need to run this on. |
| 16:03.30 | mw44118_ | wols_: how hard is it to build packages vs just ./configure; make; make install; ? |
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| 16:04.48 | czytacz | what could be the reason of empty gzipped files? I try to gzip a file and the resulting one has 0 bytes... |
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| 16:07.35 | Criten | themill: How safe is the upgrade? This is on a remote server that i don't really have direct access to |
| 16:08.18 | themill | Criten: for a server? I probably wouldn't just yet as wheezy doesn't have timely security support at the moment. (but why do you want qt 4.8 on a server?) |
| 16:08.53 | Criten | themill: I mean... it's a personal server that i do some developmental Qt server application for.. so it isn't really a "public" server |
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| 16:09.47 | Criten | themill: I have some game servers i have written in Qt that i would like to put on it. |
| 16:09.54 | Criten | basically. |
| 16:10.01 | mactimes | Criten If you're upgrading to squeeze, I'd say it's pretty safe if you follow the instructions from debian.org. Just upgraded a system from Lenny last week without any issues coming up. |
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| 16:10.55 | Leoneof | wheezy comes with pulseaudio or alsa? |
| 16:11.09 | wols_ | mw44118_: I'd try and get the source for the 9.1 package and build it against the installed 9.2. it can be very easy with a single command or it can be impossible if too much has changed between 9.1 and 9.2 |
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| 16:12.20 | jhutchins_wk | czytacz: 1) Not specifying the input correctly, 2) Not enough space on disk. No output/error? |
| 16:12.52 | Leoneof | themill: hey :) |
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| 16:13.57 | czytacz | jhutchins_wk: well, when I try to use gzip via tar, i get one message: tar: kopytko: Wrote only 4096 of 10240 bytes |
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| 16:15.08 | jhutchins_wk | czytacz: Please paste the command you used. Sounds like it's not getting any files. |
| 16:15.12 | czytacz | jhutchins_wk: gzip -c tmp.sql > kopytko1 <-- this creates empty "kopytko1" file |
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| 16:15.14 | caboche | czytacz: space problems on disk? |
| 16:16.01 | czytacz | i'v got over 1GB on sda1 |
| 16:16.13 | czytacz | but then again... |
| 16:16.32 | caboche | how big is the total disk? |
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| 16:16.42 | caboche | s/disk/partition/ |
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| 16:17.58 | zykotick9 | czytacz: i think your redirect > is the issue. try just "gzip file" |
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| 16:18.32 | czytacz | i guess space may indeed be a problem... |
| 16:18.35 | czytacz | http://pastebin.com/HX6ui9if |
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| 16:19.10 | archl | Installation program stopped working at all, then I reboot and found the root&user along with password do not allow me to access the system. |
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| 16:20.53 | caboche | czytacz: how big is your sql file? you could try the same syntax on a random text file |
| 16:21.13 | caboche | otherwise check zykotick9 advise |
| 16:21.26 | czytacz | caboche: it's small, 80kB |
| 16:21.51 | czytacz | "gzip file" outputs nothing |
| 16:22.57 | zykotick9 | czytacz: you did replace "file" with the actual file you want to compress right? |
| 16:23.28 | czytacz | zykotick9: of course :) |
| 16:23.35 | zykotick9 | just checking |
| 16:23.54 | caboche | weird. |
| 16:24.52 | caboche | can you write other files? did you check logs? |
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| 16:28.06 | czytacz | well, my sql dumps are working |
| 16:28.40 | czytacz | i've set cron to generate them every minute to be sure |
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| 16:31.20 | mw44118_ | hey, what do y'all think about using fpm to build debian packages? |
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| 16:34.11 | caboche | did you try as a different user? |
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| 16:35.35 | czytacz | on, there is only root user on the system |
| 16:36.01 | czytacz | no* |
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| 16:39.43 | czytacz | http://pastebin.com/63CrCQCb |
| 16:40.05 | czytacz | two partitions have 0% free space |
| 16:40.15 | czytacz | maybe that's the case? |
| 16:40.38 | caboche | no; they are empty :) |
| 16:40.40 | czytacz | but my files are kept on sda1 |
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| 16:40.59 | czytacz | ah, right :) |
| 16:41.34 | czytacz | i'm out of ideas |
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| 16:42.18 | caboche | you might check whether you have a weird alias set; otherwise try reinstalling gzip |
| 16:42.23 | czytacz | maybe i should maention that my machine runs on virtualbox? |
| 16:42.53 | czytacz | reinstalling gzip sounds good |
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| 16:43.54 | caboche | virt shouldn't hurt. |
| 16:43.58 | caboche | brb |
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| 16:49.08 | FZombie | apt-get install mysql-server-5.1 |
| 16:49.09 | FZombie | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:49.19 | FZombie | I checked the port and bind |
| 16:49.22 | FZombie | any ideas? |
| 16:50.41 | nkuttler | FZombie: you didn't type the same password twice? |
| 16:50.51 | FZombie | same pass twice |
| 16:51.12 | FZombie | possible strange communication error |
| 16:51.17 | FZombie | it works on 64bit |
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| 16:53.56 | czytacz | caboche: something moved after reinstall |
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| 16:54.07 | czytacz | gonna run some tests |
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| 16:54.31 | caboche | good luck |
| 16:54.54 | caboche | figure out what was worng with the first install. shouldn't happen^^ |
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| 17:01.37 | caboche | czytacz: more success? |
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| 17:02.45 | kim__ | hey, some help would be appreciated. this error is really funky. my server was victim of a power outage and when i started it again, the screen was flickering with random character symbols and colours. i could vaguely see the system loading text up all way to the login prompt |
| 17:02.49 | kim__ | it looks like this: |
| 17:02.55 | kim__ | http://i.imgur.com/bNCYGU0.jpg |
| 17:03.06 | kim__ | not sure if this is faulty hardware or some really random fluke in the system |
| 17:03.13 | koollman | it does look funky |
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| 17:03.23 | kim__ | after i tried to log in, it seemed to freeze |
| 17:03.38 | kim__ | rebooting always yield the same results |
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| 17:04.10 | jhutchins_wk | kim__: That's corrupt video memory. Do you see a normal BIOS display and/or grub menu before that happens? |
| 17:04.12 | kim__ | it can't be the screen or the gpu can it? i mean, that wouldn't generate distorted ascii symbols would it |
| 17:04.24 | jhutchins_wk | kim__: It's not the monitor. |
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| 17:04.32 | koollman | kim__: I see at least two possibility. hardware failure (bad video memory), or corrupted boot script that sent some gibberish |
| 17:04.36 | kim__ | not sure about normal. it seems stretched and flickering |
| 17:04.45 | mw44118_ | kim__: can you boot without starting X, or ssh in, or login through one of terminals by hitting CTRL+ALT+f1? |
| 17:04.56 | kim__ | i'll observe the bios screen again brb |
| 17:05.12 | kim__ | that is without X, mw44118_ |
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| 17:05.40 | jhutchins_wk | It's possible the framebuffer driver is corrupt... |
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| 17:07.10 | kim__ | the motherboard splash screen is flickering as well, so i suppose it is hardware fault then |
| 17:07.22 | czytacz | caboche: looks promising |
| 17:07.33 | jhutchins_wk | kim__: Was it on a good surge supressor? |
| 17:07.35 | kim__ | and it freezes and stays at the splash screen unless the motherboard is discharged and plugged in again |
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| 17:08.00 | kim__ | jhutchins_wk: what is that? some kind of peak eliminator? |
| 17:08.15 | czytacz | caboche: gzip seems to be generating properly, ill try to put it into my script |
| 17:08.23 | kim__ | jhutchins_wk: it was not |
| 17:08.26 | jhutchins_wk | kim__: Yes, prevents surges of voltage/current from reaching the system. |
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| 17:08.37 | kim__ | so that might have fried the frame buffer? |
| 17:08.38 | jhutchins_wk | kim__: Prognosis is not good, probably damanged hardware. |
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| 17:09.04 | kim__ | jhutchins_wk: it's alright i have a spare gpu lying around :) |
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| 17:09.18 | kim__ | i'll try with that one. thanks for the help! |
| 17:09.24 | jhutchins_wk | kim__: You can try shutting down, removing power cord, and re-seating memory modules and graphics card (if not built in) - but the graphics card and/or motherboard is probably damanged, |
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| 17:09.54 | kim__ | jhutchins_wk: ah yep, i'll try thanlks |
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| 17:11.47 | jhutchins_wk | kim__: A surge supressor typically costs about $20 in the U.S. and is a good investment. |
| 17:12.11 | czytacz | caboche: it works! :D i'd never think that a package could simply stop working on debian... one minute everything is great. Then <pufff> and gzip is broken |
| 17:12.22 | czytacz | caboche: thanks a lot |
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| 17:12.50 | czytacz | and the rest for helping to eliminate other possibilities |
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| 17:13.56 | anddam | I installed fish and the PATH has /usr/bin/X11 in it, I don't understand where it's coming from |
| 17:14.10 | anddam | I check /etc and all files from fish package without luck |
| 17:14.31 | anddam | where is PATH being set? |
| 17:14.45 | somiaj | anddam: did it install it in your local users ~/.bashrc? |
| 17:15.51 | anddam | somiaj: can you clarify the 'it's? |
| 17:16.16 | somiaj | fish, since that is what you are assuming you installed and changed your PATH env variable. |
| 17:16.47 | somiaj | oh I see fish is a shell, so yea don't check .bashrc, check the user's rc file |
| 17:17.08 | somiaj | (note /usr/bin/X11 use to be a common thing in a PATH, so maybe its default shell config it generates for the user includes that) |
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| 17:18.20 | anddam | I grepped all the files in fish package and there's no reference to that PATH |
| 17:18.34 | somiaj | even in your user dir? |
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| 17:18.52 | somiaj | google says that ~/.config/fish/config.fish is read, maybe it is somewhere in there |
| 17:19.00 | anddam | it's not |
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| 17:19.30 | anddam | and not config.fish is automatically created |
| 17:20.03 | anddam | I assumed it would be in either one of the files from fish package or in /etc (profile or so) |
| 17:20.42 | anddam | but it's not, I can just create the dir and therefore solve the issue https://github.com/fish-shell/fish-shell/issues/199 but I'd like to understand where it's being set |
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| 17:23.28 | TheWarden | I'm trying to setup Nvidia drivers on my Debian system, under the xorg.conf within Module section what is record, dbe, and extmod? Do I need these, according to what I'm reading I only need Load "glx" mmmm |
| 17:23.59 | somiaj | TheWarden: on squeeze onward you don't need much in your xorg.conf at all, just enough to say use the nvidia driver |
| 17:24.05 | jordanm | TheWarden, I just use the nvidia tool to generate xorg.conf |
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| 17:24.17 | somiaj | TheWarden: /msg dpkg nvidia dkms |
| 17:24.23 | jordanm | somiaj, lenny onward |
| 17:24.28 | TheWarden | jordanm: what tool, nvidia-xconfig? |
| 17:24.35 | somiaj | jordanm: it makes an ulgy config file when all you need is thee lines IMO |
| 17:24.45 | jordanm | TheWarden, yes, or the GUI equivalent |
| 17:24.52 | TheWarden | somiaj: okay, but still be nice to know what these all means. |
| 17:25.31 | somiaj | TheWarden: http://paste.debian.net/229718/ -- that should be all you need |
| 17:25.41 | jordanm | somiaj, I haven't cared about ugly since I have never really had a reason to look at it. always "just worked" for me |
| 17:25.42 | TheWarden | jordanm: well according to the docs http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers its not recommend to use nvidia-xconfig so I went the manual route. This should be better anyways so I can learn what its doing instead of having something do it all for me. |
| 17:25.58 | jordanm | somiaj, and more is needed for multi-monitor setups |
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| 17:26.34 | TheWarden | somiaj: really, mmm that doesn't match what http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers states. See "Create an xorg.conf". |
| 17:27.13 | somiaj | TheWarden: there is a lot of outdated info for xorg.conf for nvidia. You use to need a complete config, now that xorg detects things and is more modular what I pasted is all you need (the dpkg bot has better info than the wiki here) |
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| 17:27.58 | somiaj | jordanm: now that nvidia blob supports xrandr I see that as being less an issue. I belive there is enough support for xrandr in the wheezy version you can use that to add/configure monitors. |
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| 17:28.43 | jordanm | somiaj, settings changed with xrandr are not persistent |
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| 17:29.32 | TheWarden | somiaj: well I tried doing /msg dpkg nvidia dkms and that didn't work. Plus that route uses nouveau video driver not Nvidia (glx). so I'm grasping at straws to get this working. |
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| 17:30.04 | LtL | TheWarden: squeeze or wheezy |
| 17:30.26 | somiaj | TheWarden: have you tried to use just that small snippet I pasted you for your xorg.conf? Can you paste the log file /var/log/Xorg.0.log with just that small config I sent you and I can try to see what xorg is failing on |
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| 17:34.46 | anddam | so /usr/bin/X11 isn't a Debian default path, is it? |
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| 17:35.03 | somiaj | its an old path |
| 17:35.23 | somiaj | it use to be, not sure what version it got changed in. |
| 17:35.47 | TheWarden | LtL: Squeeze |
| 17:35.48 | somiaj | anddam: if it isn't a config file that adds that to the path, it could be something in fish itself. |
| 17:35.52 | TheWarden | somiaj: one minute |
| 17:36.15 | anddam | somiaj: ok, but grepping the whole fish package should reveal it, unless crypted |
| 17:36.54 | LtL | TheWarden: I don't want to interfere with somiaj but are you attempting to use nvidia driver and dkms? |
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| 17:37.13 | TheWarden | somiaj: I replaced my xorg.conf with what you gave me via pastebin. However that didn't work either :-(. I'm post my Xorg.0.log file and the steps I took to get here. |
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| 17:37.32 | somiaj | TheWarden: the log file is a good place to start, it should tell me more about what is going on |
| 17:37.59 | somiaj | anddam: you would need to grep the source, if it is a default setting that is compiled into the fish binary you probabaly won't be able to find it with greping. |
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| 17:38.32 | somiaj | anddam: again this is if it isn't a configuration file that is setting it, it is that fish sets it by default. Again I haven't ran fish so I can' tdo any tests myself |
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| 17:40.05 | somiaj | anddam: acutally let me correct that, /usr/bin/X11 exists on my system and contains 1618 files |
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| 17:42.56 | TheWarden | somiaj: https://gist.github.com/5b8f46515c9f962cbf3b, log and steps I took to get to where I am. |
| 17:43.46 | TheWarden | LtL: actually I was following the steps laid out at http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers under "Install a pre-built module". |
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| 17:44.26 | Ci7iz3n | hi all. i receive emails from user on my vps called "apache" in /var/mail. i want to stop this. any ideas ? |
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| 17:44.48 | somiaj | ok now i'm a bit confused, ls /usr/bin/X11 and ls /usr/bin gives the same list, but when I do an ls -ld /usr/bin/X11 I see it as a directory (not a link) but if I just do ls /usr/bin it is the color of a link.... |
| 17:45.02 | JordiGH | Hm, my chroot can't resolve hostnames. What did I mess up? |
| 17:45.03 | TheWarden | LtL: in all honestly I'm lost trying to figure this out. I've done so many attempts with no errors in log or just with an error of "Fatal server error: No screens detected" or "No devices detected". |
| 17:45.26 | anddam | somiaj: actually it should show a match even in a binary file |
| 17:45.30 | somiaj | anddam: it seems on my system /usr/bin/X11 -> . (which is just /usr/bin) |
| 17:45.44 | jordanm | JordiGH, did you copy /etc/resolv.conf from outside the chroot? |
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| 17:46.22 | JordiGH | jordanm: Ah, no, it's different from outside the chroot. Do I have to manually manage this file in the chroot? |
| 17:46.30 | anddam | somiaj: I just created an empty dir to workaround it, but I'd still like to get where PATH is being set |
| 17:46.32 | TheWarden | ops I said that wrong I was under Use module-assistant |
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| 17:47.02 | somiaj | anddam: do you have the package x11-common installed and what version of debian? |
| 17:47.03 | jordanm | JordiGH, you can make it a hard link, but that would allow your resolv.conf to be changed from inside the chroot |
| 17:47.12 | TheWarden | sighs in frustration |
| 17:47.23 | somiaj | anddam: personally I would do a 'ln -fs /usr/bin/X11 .' as opposed to creating a directory |
| 17:47.24 | jordanm | JordiGH, unless this machine is a laptop you move around, resolv.conf should rarely change |
| 17:47.33 | anddam | somiaj: latest stable, IIRC 6.0.6 |
| 17:47.36 | JordiGH | jordanm: It's a laptop I move around. I'll just try to remember to update the file. |
| 17:47.49 | somiaj | TheWarden: did you figure it out, sorry let me look at your log |
| 17:47.50 | anddam | somiaj: I don't have x11-common installed |
| 17:48.17 | somiaj | JordiGH: *IF* you resolvconf (or openresolv) maybe you can configure that to update the resolve.conf inside the chroot |
| 17:48.38 | somiaj | JordiGH: I haven't looked to see if it supports this, but it might be able to. Other wise you may need to write a script that updates it for you |
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| 17:48.42 | TheWarden | somiaj: no, I have no idea what to do next. I keep ending up with the same result, blank screen with no video. The logs have no error or have |
| 17:48.46 | JordiGH | somiaj: I rarely use the chroot. I guess I'll just wonder each time why it's not resolving names. :-) |
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| 17:49.02 | TheWarden | somiaj: ops, have "Fatal server error: No screens found" or "No devices detected". |
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| 17:49.25 | somiaj | TheWarden: lsmod | grep nvidia (is the nvidia module loaded)? |
| 17:49.51 | TheWarden | somiaj: I did lsmod | grep nvidia and nothing was returned. |
| 17:50.10 | somiaj | TheWarden: yea that is excatally what your log told me |
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| 17:50.25 | TheWarden | somiaj: oh I guess I didn't understand that. |
| 17:50.26 | somiaj | TheWarden: notice line 107 - (EE) NVIDIA: Failed to load the NVIDIA kernel module. |
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| 17:51.01 | somiaj | TheWarden: ok, that is what we need to fix. install the following packages. nvidia-kernel-dkms and linux-headers-`uname -r` |
| 17:51.20 | TheWarden | somiaj: ohhh interesting, No drivers available. Mmm okay didn't see this before. |
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| 17:51.41 | TheWarden | somiaj: okay |
| 17:51.41 | somiaj | JordiGH: what sets up your resolve.conf package in the first place? |
| 17:51.52 | JordiGH | somiaj: NetworkManager. Really, it's no big deal. |
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| 17:52.45 | somiaj | JordiGH: yea I don't know NetworkManager, I was just gonna suggest adding a post-up script to /etc/network/interfaces, 'post-up cp /etc/resolv.conf /path/to/chroot/etc/resolv.conf' -- so after your network is up it copies it for you. |
| 17:53.20 | JordiGH | somiaj: Really, don't worry about it. I can remember to do a cp whenever I have to use the chroot. |
| 17:53.30 | JordiGH | Sometimes the stupid solution is the best one. |
| 17:53.45 | somiaj | oh I do manual solutions all the time, that was just a suggestion to automate it |
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| 17:53.58 | TheWarden | somiaj: okay nvidia-kernel-dkms is installed now as for linux-headers-`uname -r` I tried but it stated "linux-headers-2.6.32-5-686 is already the newest version". |
| 17:54.21 | somiaj | TheWarden: did you see it compile a module for your kernel |
| 17:54.31 | somiaj | TheWarden: now does 'lsmod | grep nvidia' give you a module |
| 17:54.42 | somiaj | TheWarden: if it doens't try, 'modprobe nvidia' and what do you get? |
| 17:55.54 | TheWarden | somiaj: yes I saw dkms install. lsmod | grep nvidia doesn't return anything. I tried doing modprobe nvidia and all I got was "FATAL: Error inserting nvidia (/lib/modules/2.6.32-5-686/updates/dkms/nvidia.ko): No such device". |
| 17:56.11 | somiaj | TheWarden: what nvidia card do you ahve? |
| 17:56.32 | TheWarden | somiaj: GeForce 610M, its not a card its built into the board. |
| 17:56.52 | somiaj | that is probabaly too new for the squeeze nvidia drivers |
| 17:57.02 | somiaj | you will probabaly need a newer kernel, xorg and nvidia package from squeeze backports |
| 17:57.12 | TheWarden | somiaj: I was told it apparently was released in December of 2011. |
| 17:57.30 | somiaj | ,v nvidia-kernel-dkms |
| 17:57.32 | judd | Package: nvidia-kernel-dkms on i386 -- squeeze-proposed-updates/non-free: 195.36.31-6squeeze1; squeeze/non-free: 195.36.31-6squeeze2; squeeze-backports/non-free: 295.59-1~bpo60+1; squeeze-backports/non-free: 295.59-1~bpo60+2; sid/non-free: 304.64-4; wheezy/non-free: 304.64-4; experimental/non-free: 313.18-1 |
| 17:57.33 | TheWarden | somiaj: yeah I was suggested that and I swear I tried that but I could have done something wrong I dunno. |
| 17:58.04 | somiaj | I see the 610Gt being supported in 295.53 so it looks like the version in backports will work |
| 17:58.27 | somiaj | TheWarden: less /etc/apt/sources.list (do you have an entry for squeeze-backports there that contains non-free)? |
| 17:58.42 | somiaj | TheWarden: yea your issue is your hardware is too new for default squeeze |
| 17:58.48 | anddam | somiaj: yes, 6.0.6, upgraded |
| 17:59.40 | somiaj | anddam: yea I can't tell you why fish is using the old location for x binaries (talking like 5+ years old), but as I said on my system the x11-common package created a link /usr/bin/X11 and pointed it at /usr/bin |
| 17:59.42 | TheWarden | somiaj: well I believe I have that direct on the other system so I could go back to that, but the one I'm on now has this sources.list, see last file at https://gist.github.com/5b8f46515c9f962cbf3b |
| 17:59.49 | somiaj | anddam: just to deal with packages that still look in the old place |
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| 18:00.30 | somiaj | TheWarden: ok lets install a kernel and nvidia from squeeze backports |
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| 18:02.20 | anddam | somiaj: thanks anyway |
| 18:02.27 | somiaj | TheWarden: apt-get -t squeeze-backports install nvidia-kernel-dkms linux-image-3.2.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae linux-headers-.2.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae nvidia-glx |
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| 18:02.53 | drAvanti | hello sirs |
| 18:02.57 | drAvanti | can someone please advise me |
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| 18:03.19 | somiaj | TheWarden: arg typo in there it should be linux-headers-3.2.0-bpo.4-686-pae (I left out a 3 in the paste) |
| 18:03.32 | somiaj | TheWarden: that should install a kernel and the nvidia stuff from squeeze-backports |
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| 18:03.39 | somiaj | drAvanti: just ask your question |
| 18:04.27 | drAvanti | I have webmin running on my server, and want to allow remote web access via GUFW.The default rule is for GUFW to deny all. So I added 443 allow anywhere. But I cant get access to it remotely. Meanwhile, I added a similar rule to allow webaccess to my bittorrent downloader via another port and its working |
| 18:04.42 | drAvanti | please what im I doing wrong, I suppose https port is 443? or |
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| 18:04.51 | jordanm | !webmin |
| 18:04.51 | dpkg | Webmin is a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Check it out at http://webmin.com/ Remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." Removed from Debian post-Sarge, see http://bugs.debian.org/343897 . The Debian package from webmin.com is of poor quality. See <free whcp> for alternatives. |
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| 18:05.28 | TheWarden | somiaj: okay |
| 18:06.07 | drAvanti | @jordanm dpkg, are u advising I use something else? |
| 18:06.18 | jhutchins_wk | drAvanti: When (not if) webmin breaks, you will have to know how to manage the configuration from the CLI to repair it - in fact, you will need better than average skills, webmin makes a real mess when it breaks. |
| 18:06.34 | TheWarden | somiaj: okay running the install now |
| 18:06.52 | jhutchins_wk | drAvanti: /msg dpkg free whcp for suggestions of what to use instead. |
| 18:06.57 | drAvanti | @jhutchins_wk - ow, thanks for the info. So please what tool do I use? |
| 18:07.03 | xsappyx | drAvanti: paste your current rules to http://paste.debian.net/ and drop the link back in here: sudo ufw status |
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| 18:07.45 | jhutchins_wk | drAvanti: /msg dpkg free whcp for suggestions of what to use instead. |
| 18:07.46 | drAvanti | @jhutchins_wk - what do u mean /msg dpkg |
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| 18:08.02 | jhutchins_wk | drAvanti: That said, webmin usually doesn't run on 80/443, it runs on somethnig like 1040. |
| 18:08.02 | drAvanti | @dpkg - hello sir |
| 18:08.32 | stanley | well |
| 18:08.39 | stanley | i guess you guys don't like webmin |
| 18:08.50 | blubberdiblub | drAvanti, dpkg is a bot. you need to /msg it like jhutchins_wk told you |
| 18:08.58 | drAvanti | @jhutchins_wk - locally, I can access it through 10000, and remotely, if I disable the firewall, it opens on https:<ipaddr>. But with GUFW enabled I cant access it |
| 18:09.08 | drAvanti | @blubberdiblub - ok thanks |
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| 18:09.39 | jhutchins_wk | drAvanti: I would put the effort into one of the other options rather than continuing to try to fix webmin. |
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| 18:10.12 | drAvanti | @blubberdiblub - you mean Ill type /msg dpkg, I typed it and nothing happened |
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| 18:10.26 | evoke | hey quick question. |
| 18:10.55 | evoke | when you start a terminal window what protocol does the terminal window use to connect to the system? |
| 18:10.57 | jhutchins_wk | drAvanti: /msg dpkg free whcp - it will reply with a PM. |
| 18:11.20 | drAvanti | @jhutchins_wk - ok |
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| 18:11.35 | evoke | or is there a protocol |
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| 18:11.43 | evoke | trying to think of what a terminal window it |
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| 18:12.24 | jhutchins_wk | evoke: You might call it a tty protocol, determined by getty and termcap. |
| 18:12.57 | evoke | cool |
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| 18:13.00 | evoke | thanks |
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| 18:13.29 | evoke | jhutchins_wk: did you ever see this protocol exposed to a browser? |
| 18:13.52 | evoke | jhutchins_wk: thinking of making a browser based terminal server so you do not have to directly log in to the debian box |
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| 18:14.50 | drAvanti | @all, Im using webmin for a home server not for webhosting. Anyway, which of these hosting control panels is most user friendly |
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| 18:17.16 | nkuttler | drAvanti: all hosting panels suck |
| 18:17.43 | drAvanti | @nkuttler - hmm, ok so which one would u advise |
| 18:17.54 | zinx | webmin is a great hosting panel for allowing the entire world to administer your computer |
| 18:18.05 | jhutchins_wk | evoke: These things have been done before. |
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| 18:18.44 | evoke | jhutchins_wk: ok just surfing the web |
| 18:18.46 | dFence | hey guys |
| 18:18.49 | evoke | jhutchins_wk: looking for one |
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| 18:19.30 | jhutchins_wk | drAvanti: For your own use they're not worth the trouble. Learn CLI management. |
| 18:19.30 | nkuttler | drAvanti: personally i don't think somebody who need a "control panel" should be allowed to admin a server |
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| 18:19.42 | nkuttler | s/need/needs |
| 18:19.54 | dFence | if I want to use a different kernel on a debian-distro, what does the toolchain that's used for the kernel need to look like? to be specific, what has to match? libc-version, binutils-version? |
| 18:20.13 | nkuttler | !tell dFence about kp |
| 18:20.13 | jhutchins_wk | drAvanti: http://tldp.org/LDP/sag/ |
| 18:20.37 | drAvanti | @jhutchins_wk - Ok, thanks for the advise. Actually, im on the CLI too, its just somethings Im not yet confident at, thats why I have webmin installed |
| 18:20.46 | nkuttler | dFence: well some userland features depend on kernel features, there's no general rule |
| 18:21.04 | dFence | nkuttler: I have to compile the kernel outside debian-userland |
| 18:21.10 | nkuttler | dFence: ah. no idea then |
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| 18:21.25 | somiaj | dFence: why do you have to compile it outside of a debian-userland? What os/userland are you compling it in? |
| 18:21.32 | jhutchins_wk | drAvanti: Control Panels are necessary evils if you have clients who can not function on the CLI, but they always have to have someone behind them who can go beyond what the GUI can do. |
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| 18:21.57 | drAvanti | jhutchins_wk: ok thanks man., |
| 18:22.00 | jordanm | I saw in a semi-recent thread, Ben Hutchings was advising against kp |
| 18:22.05 | dFence | somiaj: I'm trying to get a modified kernel to work on an existing debian-image for an ARM-device |
| 18:22.17 | jhutchins_wk | drAvanti: You are better off seeking HOWTO guides on sites like tldp.org than trying to do things with a whcp. |
| 18:22.34 | jordanm | except for tldp's bash guides, those are terrible |
| 18:22.43 | dFence | since I don't have ttyS0 access, I need to get the kernel to the point where it's able to launch init and get me some console-output |
| 18:22.53 | jhutchins_wk | tldp isn't always the best, but they are a good resource. |
| 18:22.58 | wols_ | jordanm: with what reasoning? |
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| 18:23.27 | nmeum | how do I enable the ipv6 privacy extension on debian? |
| 18:23.37 | jordanm | wols_, many of the examples contain bugs and teach bad practices |
| 18:23.49 | jhutchins_wk | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:24.06 | somiaj | dFence: ahh that is out of my experience. I still think creating a kernel-package and copying that over is the best route. But not sure how to cross compile an arm kernel on say a amd64 machine. |
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| 18:24.17 | wols_ | jordanm: kp is what again? |
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| 18:24.18 | wols_ | !kp |
| 18:24.18 | dpkg | [kernel-package] To compile a kernel The Debian Way(tm) "aptitude install kernel-package build-essential libncurses5-dev" and follow the instructions in /usr/share/doc/kernel-package/README.gz. You should also ask me about <make-kpkg>, <kp mantra> and <kernel build-deps>. |
| 18:24.25 | Dagger2 | nmeum: set /proc/sys/net/ipv6/conf/*/use_tempaddr to 1 |
| 18:24.30 | Insideman | nmeum, Did u check this ? http://madduck.net/docs/ipv6/ |
| 18:24.56 | jhutchins_wk | dFence: I am told that #debian-arm exists, possibly on oftc.net |
| 18:24.57 | jordanm | wols_, oh, to that one. I don't recall *exactly*, but I do remember him mentioning that it hasn't been maintained in ages and the kernel team no longer uses it |
| 18:25.13 | dFence | jhutchins_wk: thanks |
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| 18:25.49 | wols_ | it has been maintained cause I remember it being broken in stable once in a while when one wanted to compiled a current kernel |
| 18:25.56 | dFence | somiaj: cross-compiling is not the issue, I just need to tweak some of the ctools-ng configurations apparently |
| 18:26.08 | jordanm | wols_, I will see if i can dig up the -devel thread |
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| 18:26.58 | somiaj | dFence: could you do that in a debian chroot and set up cross compile there so the end result is your kernel is in a .deb, and then copy that over to the device and install it? |
| 18:27.02 | nmeum | Insideman: no I didn't - thanks |
| 18:27.23 | somiaj | dFence: or if you have a debian system no need for a chroot. |
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| 18:27.50 | dFence | somiaj: I have no use for a .deb kernel-image since i have to flash it directly. |
| 18:28.41 | Getty | jhutchins_wk: yeah, i do the dirty work, for sure ;) |
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| 18:35.42 | jebd | i used this command in squeeze "iptables -A INPUT -j ACCEPT -p tcp --dport 22 -s"my ip" and now ssh dose not work at all any ideas why? |
| 18:36.09 | jebd | iptables -A INPUT -j DROP -p tcp --dport 22 and this |
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| 18:40.06 | jelly-home | jebd: do you have a way to run "iptables-save" now and pastebin the output? |
| 18:40.57 | jebd | were is that located |
| 18:41.18 | jelly-home | it's in root's path. |
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| 18:41.41 | jelly-home | jebd: /sbin/iptables-save |
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| 18:43.14 | jebd | should i just nano /sbin/iptables-save |
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| 18:44.04 | [z_z] | aptitude tells me libcairo 1.8 is installed and there are no later versions... 1.8 is a pretty old version of cairo. I'm wondering if I'm doing something wrong. the debian repos can't possibly be that outdated right? |
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| 18:45.02 | [z_z] | jebd /sbin/iptables-save is a command |
| 18:45.13 | jelly-home | jebd is out of the game, [z_z] |
| 18:45.24 | [z_z] | is slow |
| 18:45.30 | jelly-home | and sleepy |
| 18:45.55 | jhutchins_wk | ,versions cairo |
| 18:45.57 | judd | No package named 'cairo' was found in i386. |
| 18:46.03 | jhutchins_wk | ,versions libcairo |
| 18:46.05 | judd | No package named 'libcairo' was found in i386. |
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| 18:46.32 | [z_z] | err. libcairo2 |
| 18:46.38 | jelly-home | jhutchins_wk: best to play with the bot in /msg, and only show something useful when you have it |
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| 18:46.47 | jhutchins_wk | ,versions libcairo2 |
| 18:46.49 | judd | Package: libcairo2 on i386 -- lenny: 1.6.4-7; lenny-backports: 1.8.8-2~bpo50+1; squeeze: 1.8.10-6; squeeze-backports: 1.10.2-7~bpo60+1; wheezy: 1.12.2-2; sid: 1.12.2-2.1; experimental: 1.12.10-1 |
| 18:47.27 | jelly-home | [z_z]: so yeah, 1.8.10 is in current debian 6 release. |
| 18:48.44 | [z_z] | hm... I'm going to need to update to testing then. |
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| 19:03.25 | TheWarden | somiaj: okay the install has completed. took longer thatn should have but I had to take lunch :) |
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| 19:14.15 | BoozeWooz | Hello! Anyone knows where config files of xserver-xorg-input-synaptics are being held? |
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| 19:15.26 | fnmueller | BoozeWooz: normally, you just edit xorg.conf yourself. Depending on which release of debian you use, the xorg.conf file can also be split up |
| 19:15.49 | BoozeWooz | But there is no xorg.conf here.. I tried already looking in /etc/X11/ |
| 19:15.57 | Viking667 | hello all. I'm having strange behaviour from NetworkManager. It keeps emptying my resolv.conf, is there a fix for NetworkManager? So far I've had to install resolvconf... |
| 19:16.05 | Viking667 | but I'm not sure that's correct. |
| 19:16.11 | tremon | BoozeWooz: xorg.conf is optional, everything not configured is autodetected |
| 19:16.14 | tremon | also, man 4 evdev |
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| 19:16.48 | jhutchins_wk | BoozeWooz: xorg.conf is optional these days, there may be files in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/ but it may just autodetect everything. |
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| 19:17.01 | fnmueller | BoozeWooz: that's because starting with squeeze, X automatically detects everything so there is no xorg.conf, but you may always create one |
| 19:17.26 | fnmueller | heh, lag is a bi... |
| 19:17.30 | Viking667 | fnmueller: heh. my issue is when you've got two active graphics cards, which one does X use? |
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| 19:17.49 | jhutchins_wk | fnmueller: Say it two different ways, he's twice as likely to get it! |
| 19:17.49 | BoozeWooz | Well.. here's the problem I want to solve actually: I have a new laptop. Old touchpad works perfect. New laptop not. I want to port the settings over.. |
| 19:18.27 | BoozeWooz | I tried xinput list-props "device name" . And set it there, but it tedious work. |
| 19:18.37 | jhutchins_wk | BoozeWooz: You can just paste the synaptics setings into a new xorg.conf or you can use X --configure to generate one and add them to that. |
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| 19:19.26 | fnmueller | BoozeWooz: personally, I use synclient to set the settings when I log on, that makes it more portable with many machines, which is a setup I have |
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| 19:20.24 | fnmueller | Viking667: all you have to do is define sections for each GPU, it's a setting I used to have |
| 19:20.46 | xsappyx | BoozeWooz: you can use the synclient tool to modify settings too |
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| 19:21.33 | BoozeWooz | oo synclient is very nice. I'll just back this up, one moment. |
| 19:22.00 | BoozeWooz | http://blog.tkassembled.com/308/a-better-magic-trackpad-experience-in-linux/ Very informative. Thanks so much! |
| 19:22.17 | bushes | I need some help, installed debian over an old debian install and now my grub2 is not working... Im stuck in rescue mode but help command isnt working |
| 19:22.20 | bushes | when I do ls |
| 19:22.33 | bushes | it says unknown filesystem for all except one partition |
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| 19:22.56 | bushes | that one partition it tells me error: bad file name |
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| 19:23.47 | BoozeWooz | Its funny, I had this same issue before. I had 2 partitions, with both a /boot/grub. But it was using the other one I was modifying ^^ |
| 19:24.13 | bushes | what did you do to fix it? Ive tried supergrubdisk to no avail |
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| 19:24.49 | innociv | I have 95k files in /tmp. How do I delete the ones older than a week or so? |
| 19:24.53 | BoozeWooz | It's actually still here, this inconvenience. But Im switching to new pc. |
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| 19:25.46 | innociv | I found http://www.howtogeek.com/howto/ubuntu/delete-files-older-than-x-days-on-linux/ but it doesn't seem to do anything. |
| 19:26.11 | zykotick9 | bushes: are you trees in #ubuntu right now? same issue... related nick names. are you using debian or ubuntu? |
| 19:26.27 | LtL | innociv: you could reboot, /tmp/ will be emptied. |
| 19:26.30 | bushes | using debian |
| 19:26.33 | bushes | and yes I am |
| 19:26.55 | innociv | Hm I had a problem before were it didn't empty. |
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| 19:28.11 | Zeeflo | does anyone here have experience with Debian on an HP ProLiant DL360 G7 ? |
| 19:28.13 | xsappyx | innociv: something like find /tmp -type f -mtime +7 if that looks right, add an -exec rm '{}' \; to the end |
| 19:28.44 | Towzzer | put a space between '{}' \ |
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| 19:31.55 | wm4 | what's the easiest way to install debian over an existing ubuntu installation (from 2008, probably 6.x), without going through an optical installation medium? |
| 19:32.00 | innociv | There is a space, no? |
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| 19:32.22 | BoozeWooz | You can put USB (unetbootin) or install from network |
| 19:32.25 | bushes | are there any good and reliable USB partition managers I can use to scrap my whole grub and start over? |
| 19:32.30 | innociv | yeah still 74k files in temp after restarting |
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| 19:32.52 | wm4 | innociv: plenty of space |
| 19:33.04 | innociv | Sure but, it's weird and i want it dealt with |
| 19:33.24 | kdub | how can I instruct the debian packaging (using pbuilder) to copy some demo source code to a specific directory? |
| 19:33.24 | innociv | xsappyx, returns nothing, oddly enough. |
| 19:33.29 | wm4 | BoozeWooz: no USB, and network install implies network boot? |
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| 19:33.43 | xsappyx | innociv: are those files new then? |
| 19:33.52 | innociv | I guess. |
| 19:34.10 | innociv | It's a lot of php sess files from what i can see |
| 19:34.22 | BoozeWooz | yes wm4 |
| 19:34.24 | jelly-home | Zeeflo: assume someone does and ask the real question. |
| 19:34.37 | BoozeWooz | wm4 : http://www.debian.org/distrib/netinst |
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| 19:34.42 | bushes | Im going to try parted magic |
| 19:34.45 | bushes | wish me luck :/ |
| 19:34.57 | wm4 | BoozeWooz: that's probably a pain to setup if it works at all, so it's not feasible |
| 19:35.11 | Zeeflo | Does Squeeze or Wheezy install easily on a ProLiant DL360 G7 ? |
| 19:35.24 | wm4 | is there maybe a statically linked debootstrap somewhere? |
| 19:35.27 | xsappyx | innociv: busy php webserver then? |
| 19:35.31 | BoozeWooz | wm4 what kind of device is it? |
| 19:35.38 | wm4 | BoozeWooz: a PC |
| 19:35.49 | BoozeWooz | laptop? do you have another pc? |
| 19:35.49 | innociv | Not THAT busy. |
| 19:35.59 | jelly-home | Zeeflo: at the very least you're going to need firmware for bnx2 network cards. |
| 19:36.02 | Scatterbrain | Hi, I'm just after upgrading from squeeze to wheezy. There were a number of errors listed at the end and 9 broken packages. Any advie on the best course of action? I know that some of the errors are fglrx, which is obsolete in wheezy, related so not worried about them. the other are x-org related |
| 19:36.04 | innociv | I have like maybe 500 active connections |
| 19:36.11 | wm4 | BoozeWooz: a proper PC, and I have another linux PC connected to it via ethernet |
| 19:36.18 | jelly-home | Zeeflo: /msg dpkg firmware images |
| 19:36.40 | wm4 | I've tried the network boot thing many times ago (unrelated to this) and never got it to work |
| 19:36.42 | BoozeWooz | you can install it from there then. all my previous installations seem to work from pc to another |
| 19:36.52 | Zeeflo | ok |
| 19:37.14 | Zeeflo | jelly-home, will it install to a flash kit easily as well? |
| 19:37.23 | wm4 | BoozeWooz: oh, so you mean I could bootstrap on another PC, and then just copy the files? |
| 19:37.24 | jelly-home | Zeeflo: never tried |
| 19:37.35 | Zeeflo | would it recognize the sas raid card? |
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| 19:37.44 | Zeeflo | and the sas drives |
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| 19:38.03 | BoozeWooz | Well that could, yes. But you can also remove the hdd from the other pc, and put inside the one you want debian on. Install debian in other pc, and put hdd back into your pc. |
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| 19:38.33 | jelly-home | Zeeflo: SmartArray? Yes. |
| 19:38.39 | ciccio | sera |
| 19:38.51 | jelly-home | Zeeflo: did you create an array from bios already? |
| 19:38.53 | ciccio | come si chiama la list |
| 19:39.11 | Zeeflo | jelly-home, Im picking up the beast tomorrow, im just preparing mentally.. |
| 19:39.36 | Zeeflo | also, I assume debian will handle 2 cpus as well |
| 19:39.49 | Zeeflo | but I was actually worried about the NIX' |
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| 19:39.56 | Zeeflo | theres 6 NIX's in it |
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| 19:40.02 | jelly-home | NIX? |
| 19:40.07 | xsappyx | innociv: maybe a monitoring / scanning box no reusing sessions? is it live on the internets directly? id start poking at your session config |
| 19:40.14 | Zeeflo | NIC*s |
| 19:40.16 | Zeeflo | sorry |
| 19:40.18 | xsappyx | innociv: and/or your access / error logs |
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| 19:40.23 | innociv | Yeah it's live on the net being used |
| 19:40.37 | innociv | Yeah originally I had garbage collection on PHP turned off. *Oops*. |
| 19:40.50 | innociv | I just turned it on a week ago and it did drop from having around 140k, to 95k, now 75k after the restart. |
| 19:41.35 | jelly-home | Zeeflo: you might also want to read /msg dpkg proliant |
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| 19:42.04 | Zeeflo | ProLiant tools for Lenny?? |
| 19:42.24 | jelly-home | and newer. |
| 19:42.48 | jelly-home | hasn't updated the factoid in a while |
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| 19:45.27 | Zeeflo | hehe |
| 19:45.35 | Zeeflo | Im looking forward to this server tomorrow |
| 19:45.52 | Zeeflo | gonna be my most expensive aquirement to date! |
| 19:45.59 | Zeeflo | 6000$ |
| 19:47.03 | jelly-home | and you only have one of it? |
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| 19:49.00 | Zeeflo | jelly-home, yes |
| 19:49.14 | wm4 | why does debootstrap install vim |
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| 19:50.45 | jordanm | wm4, it provides /usr/bin/vi |
| 19:51.13 | jordanm | wm4, vi always exists on a POSIX system |
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| 19:53.31 | format_c | And vi != vim |
| 19:53.32 | jelly-home | it's not really a proper vim, just a tiny one |
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| 19:53.50 | jelly-home | format_c: in this particular case, vim-tiny provides /usr/bin/vi |
| 19:53.59 | m8 | Hi, why this cron command is not executed? http://pastie.org/private/xeut1rutjv4vcpemkpvu5g |
| 19:54.40 | jelly-home | Zeeflo: proliants (entry models excepted) are a fine platform for Debian if I may say so |
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| 19:55.53 | Zeeflo | Zeeflo, I wouldnt call this one an entry level.. Not a pro level either.. |
| 19:56.17 | Zeeflo | Im getting it with 48GB RAM, 4 x 73GB 2½" 15k SAS, 2 x Xeon e5620's |
| 19:56.17 | Towzzer | */1 in the minute column would mean |
| 19:56.31 | m8 | Towzzer, it's a test normally is every 10 minutes |
| 19:56.32 | jelly-home | Zeeflo: DL 320 would have been entry level |
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| 19:56.45 | m8 | Towzzer, but for testing purposes i changed to 1 |
| 19:56.49 | Zeeflo | jelly-home, yea, but i upgraded it a bit ;) |
| 19:56.52 | Zeeflo | as you can see |
| 19:56.54 | m8 | Towzzer, like * |
| 19:57.03 | jelly-home | Zeeflo: no hot spare drive? |
| 19:57.04 | Towzzer | right sir |
| 19:57.05 | jelly-home | hides |
| 19:57.18 | Zeeflo | jelly-home, shame on you ;) |
| 19:57.20 | m8 | Towzzer, but apparently the command doesn't execute :| |
| 19:57.26 | Zeeflo | Its for private use, media encoding only! |
| 19:57.29 | Zeeflo | It will do just fine ;) |
| 19:57.35 | Towzzer | are you missing a semi color after your set that variable? |
| 19:57.54 | Zeeflo | It would probably kick the shit out of most privately owned Servers.. |
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| 19:58.29 | m8 | Towzzer, the command works if run in bash, in this way i can set the ENV variable only for the function i'm executing |
| 19:58.32 | jelly-home | Towzzer: he's not missing a semi colon |
| 19:58.35 | Zeeflo | But yes, youre right.. For christmas I want a spare hot sas! |
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| 19:58.43 | Towzzer | ok, I didn't know, sorry :) |
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| 19:59.06 | Towzzer | one cron bug that always gets me is that you can't have underscores in file names in the /etc/cron.x directories |
| 19:59.13 | Towzzer | have they fixed that? |
| 19:59.57 | jelly-home | Towzzer: the filename requirements are documented and compatible with run-parts |
| 20:00.10 | jelly-home | run-parts does not allow _ either |
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| 20:00.28 | Towzzer | so that's a run-parts bug :D |
| 20:00.36 | jelly-home | or it's not a bug at all |
| 20:00.43 | m8 | but nothing runs :| |
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| 20:00.57 | Towzzer | is the cron service running? |
| 20:01.00 | jelly-home | m8: is there anything in root's mail? |
| 20:01.50 | m8 | jelly-home, no mails argh |
| 20:02.38 | wm4 | this tells me to use MAKEDEV, however MAKEDEV does not exist in the chroot: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/apds03.html.en |
| 20:02.59 | wm4 | maybe it's not needed anymore? (I see some device files) |
| 20:04.22 | m8 | Towzzer, yes is running if i put other commands in the file, they are executed fine :| |
| 20:04.48 | jelly-home | m8: just for fun, what happens if you put "env" in front of the whole current command? |
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| 20:05.10 | jelly-home | m8: alternatively, put the env.var on a separate line before the cron job? |
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| 20:05.33 | m8 | jelly-home, alternative is a sh file called by a cron |
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| 20:06.19 | jelly-home | m8: is the "bundle" command in default path? |
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| 20:06.40 | m8 | jelly, i've added this in bashrc |
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| 20:07.30 | m8 | jelly-home, it's a problem? :O |
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| 20:07.35 | jelly-home | m8: you need to read what "man 5 crontab" says about PATH and env. variables. |
| 20:07.46 | m8 | ok |
| 20:08.11 | jelly-home | in short, /root/.bashrc will NOT be read. |
| 20:08.25 | jelly-home | (neither will /etc/bashrc) |
| 20:08.37 | jordanm | nor bash at all |
| 20:08.51 | jordanm | unless you have ventured from the defaults and made /bin/sh bash |
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| 20:09.25 | jordanm | crontab commands are executed in sh -c '' |
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| 20:09.32 | palafed | !film |
| 20:09.36 | m8 | argh not bash -c :O |
| 20:09.56 | palafed | !film |
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| 20:10.01 | m8 | but there is a log i can read when crontab command fails? |
| 20:10.37 | format_c | Or just set SHELL=/bin/bash at the top of the crontab |
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| 20:10.45 | m8 | good format_c |
| 20:10.55 | format_c | And MAILTO=bla@bla.de to get the output from the crontab |
| 20:11.11 | jordanm | that still won't make it source bash init scripts |
| 20:11.24 | format_c | Redirect STDOUT to /dev/null if not necessary but STDERR ist interssting |
| 20:11.25 | jordanm | format_c, output goes to mail, command execution is logged to /var/log/syslog by default |
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| 20:11.40 | jordanm | err ^ m8 |
| 20:11.41 | m8 | jordanm, really? |
| 20:12.43 | jordanm | m8, just specify the full path to bundle |
| 20:13.02 | m8 | good, but it's useful read error log |
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| 20:13.22 | m8 | but i can't find anything in syslog |
| 20:14.05 | m8 | only postfix logs °_° |
| 20:14.08 | jelly-home | m8: output of failed jobs goes to crontab owner's mail unless MAILTO is defined |
| 20:14.41 | m8 | if i've postfix installed the behaviour change? |
| 20:15.10 | format_c | m8: no |
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| 20:16.21 | m8 | every minute i've this http://pastie.org/private/ddsyy7ibzli9pxvawhiaq |
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| 20:17.16 | jelly-home | hahha |
| 20:17.42 | jelly-home | m8: your postfix is misconfigured, which is why you're not getting those mails for root. |
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| 20:17.57 | m8 | argh! |
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| 20:18.25 | jordanm | is root aliased to user and user aliased to root? |
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| 20:18.33 | m8 | default installation |
| 20:18.42 | m8 | witouth touch config file :| |
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| 20:19.14 | jelly-home | m8: pastebin the output of "postconf -n", /etc/aliases file, and around last 20ish lines of /var/log/mail.log |
| 20:19.14 | m8 | in /etc/aliases there is a line with "root: user" |
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| 20:20.01 | m8 | is this the issue? |
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| 20:20.25 | jelly-home | defers judgement until more data is provided |
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| 20:21.57 | m8 | jelly-home, you're right |
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| 20:25.58 | m8 | jelly-home, http://pastie.org/private/5tmnhaeirsafnsx2xyjda |
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| 20:26.14 | Ablims | #pl |
| 20:26.36 | durango | If Im running a command like sudo -u www /path/to/file is there a way to set environment variables for that command? O_o |
| 20:26.47 | Ablims | pl channel? |
| 20:26.53 | durango | Ive tried editing /home/www/.profile, .bash_rc, and .bash_profile ot export VARIABLE=value but no luck |
| 20:27.59 | themill | Ablims: #debian-pl |
| 20:28.29 | format_c | durango: AFAIK sudo purges the environment before executing the command |
| 20:28.41 | durango | damn :/ |
| 20:28.44 | durango | so theres no real way of doing this |
| 20:28.55 | durango | i really am afraid of installing systemd just for this nodejs script |
| 20:29.01 | durango | are there any other alternatives to systemd? |
| 20:29.21 | m8 | jelly-home, anything? |
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| 20:29.45 | sh4ring4n | let's fuck |
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| 20:30.42 | Ablims | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:31.05 | jelly-home | m8: how come your log says "develop" for the hostname, but mydestination (and myhostname) doesn't have that? |
| 20:32.10 | m8 | yes.. |
| 20:32.14 | m8 | replace :| |
| 20:33.15 | m8 | jelly-home, other than that there is some errors? |
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| 20:34.25 | jelly-home | m8: no idea... Have you run newaliases after last editing of /etc/aliases? |
| 20:34.36 | m8 | never |
| 20:34.49 | jelly-home | m8: does user "user" have a ~/.forward file? |
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| 20:35.27 | m8 | no :| |
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| 20:39.16 | jelly-home | m8: No idea. Add your actual hostname to mydestination, run newaliases, restart postfix service and try sending mail to root again with eg. echo test | mailx -s test root |
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| 20:40.14 | jelly-home | it's unusual that you have debian but no "myorigin = /etc/mailname" in postconf -n |
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| 20:41.31 | m8 | argh |
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| 20:42.30 | grafdiffuzor | Hello, all! XFCE4.8/Wheezy: fonts in Chrome are not hinted (no antialias). How to fix? |
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| 20:42.37 | durango | WHat do u guys use to manage starting processes on bott up? |
| 20:42.46 | m8 | but the last line in aliases root: user, means the root mails will forwarded to user? |
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| 20:43.06 | jelly-home | m8: that is correct. |
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| 20:43.21 | jelly-home | and by itself, that's not a problem |
| 20:43.37 | m8 | user can read root mails? |
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| 20:45.02 | m8 | the database loop is a problem? |
| 20:45.22 | jelly-home | m8: you told the postfix package during configuration you wanted it that way. I don't know where loop is coming from tho. |
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| 20:45.53 | m8 | ok |
| 20:46.04 | TheWarden | so I did the following to get my video working again, apt-get -t squeeze-backports install nvidia-kernel-dkms linux-image-3.2.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae linux-headers-3.2.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae nvidia-glx. Now I have no audio. |
| 20:46.42 | TheWarden | I have alsa-base, alsa-utils and libsdl1.2debian-alsa packages installed. |
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| 20:47.13 | jelly-home | TheWarden: and you presumable rebooted into that kernel as well? |
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| 20:47.30 | xsappyx | TheWarden: check if your card is muted |
| 20:47.53 | TheWarden | speaker volume is up and turned on... I checked mixer and volume is up all the way. I tried doing aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav but I don't hear anything. I indeed did boot into the new Kenrel. Nothing is muted. |
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| 20:48.18 | TheWarden | kernel* |
| 20:48.41 | TheWarden | do I need to install the alsa-base from backports? |
| 20:48.46 | somiaj | TheWarden: did it work? |
| 20:49.06 | TheWarden | somiaj: yes I have video working, thanks so much. I'm just trying to get audio to work now. |
| 20:49.39 | somiaj | TheWarden: cat /proc/asound/cards -- do you have multiple sound cards? could it be the sound card you are wanting to use is sound card 1 (and not 0)? |
| 20:49.50 | somiaj | TheWarden: sound worked fine before installing this newer kernel? |
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| 20:51.01 | m8 | jelly-home, the removed mail on the log it's a issue? |
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| 20:51.55 | jelly-home | it's a symptom yes |
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| 20:53.25 | m8 | good jelly-home i've removed the loop |
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| 20:53.30 | m8 | user: root; root: user |
| 20:53.32 | m8 | in aliases |
| 20:53.42 | m8 | now root mails arrive to user |
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| 20:57.18 | straterra | is SNMP on the main repos broken? I'm having issues with libsnmp15/snmpd from my local mirror, which syncs upstream |
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| 21:01.01 | TheWarden | I have sound working now... not sure exactly what I did but its working perfectly. |
| 21:01.06 | TheWarden | somiaj: its working now. |
| 21:01.26 | TheWarden | now to do testing to ensure this system is stable. |
| 21:04.07 | TheWarden | somiaj: so now I'm not quite sure how to replicate this process each time. Always do apt-get -t squeeze-backports install nvidia-kernel-dkms linux-image-3.2.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae linux-headers-3.2.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae nvidia-glx |
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| 21:04.18 | TheWarden | somiaj: then edit xorg.conf like you stated? |
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| 21:05.01 | TheWarden | somiaj: ho0w do I know the version numbers in linux-image and linux-headers ? |
| 21:05.05 | somiaj | TheWarden: Well hopefully the next time you do this wheezy will be stable and you won't have to use backports |
| 21:05.26 | TheWarden | somiaj: well I'll be doing this 9 more times actually. |
| 21:05.37 | Criten | When should Wheezy be stable? |
| 21:05.41 | somiaj | TheWarden: basically to get nvidia non-free drivers running you need to install linux-headers-version and nvidia-kernel-dkms (to compile the moudle) |
| 21:05.52 | somiaj | Criten: when it is ready (next few months hopefully) |
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| 21:06.01 | TheWarden | somiaj: I'm setting up 10 systems in total. So I was hoping to do this one more time properly then clone the drive for the next 8 times :-). |
| 21:06.02 | Criten | somiaj: Thanks. |
| 21:06.11 | themill | TheWarden: you can also just use the metapackages like linux-image-686-pae that will automatically pull in the right version without needing the big long ABI |
| 21:06.40 | somiaj | TheWarden: if squeeze doesn't support your hardware you need to get those form squeeze-backports (note to install things from squeeze backports you need the -t flag with apt-get) |
| 21:07.14 | somiaj | TheWarden: you can either do as themill suggested or even use 'apt-cache search linux-image' or 'apt-cache search linux-image-3.2' (since i know that is the one in squeeze-backports) to find the actual version |
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| 21:07.17 | TheWarden | somiaj: gotcha |
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| 21:07.37 | themill | or you can "/msg judd kernels" |
| 21:08.25 | TheWarden | somiaj: so then completely forget what the wiki stated then correct? |
| 21:08.34 | somiaj | TheWarden: after that just use that very short xorg.conf I gave you (it should work better than a lot of the outdated info out there) |
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| 21:08.52 | TheWarden | somiaj: alright sounds good. Thanks so much for the help! |
| 21:08.56 | TheWarden | themill: thanks |
| 21:09.00 | somiaj | TheWarden: yea the debian wiki for nvidia drivers just contains outdated info [in my 10+ years with debian and only using nvidia I've seen it come a long ways] |
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| 21:10.23 | microcode | I'm on debian unstable and there are two mirrors which have been missing for a while |
| 21:10.24 | TheWarden | somiaj: I just started to use Debian the past 2 to 3 years heavily and I love it. Started using it at home for my desktop as well. |
| 21:10.43 | microcode | unstable/updates/main Sources and unstable/updates/main powerpc Packages |
| 21:10.50 | microcode | from security.debian.org |
| 21:11.08 | somiaj | microcode: unstable will not get support from s.d.o |
| 21:11.10 | TheWarden | what would I have set wrong for a user to have to enter root password to shutdown or reboot the system? |
| 21:12.03 | jhutchins_wk | TheWarden: You mean it used to not ask, and now it does? |
| 21:12.10 | somiaj | microcode: when a security fix is made they fix the stable/oldstable version and the sid version. The stable/oldstable comes from s.d.o., the sid version dumps into sid in normal fashion (it is usually there within a few hours, but not always) |
| 21:12.42 | somiaj | TheWarden: what command are you using? Or are you using gdm/gnomes 'shutdown' button? |
| 21:13.23 | somiaj | microcode: note sometimes the sid fix comes from upstream, so make no assumption on the speed it gets into the normal sid repo. |
| 21:13.56 | damir__ | I want to run an X command on the remote machine over ssh (I want the program to run on remotes local display ":0", not my local display). I ssh over to it and do "DISPLAY=:0 xeyes", however it says "No protocol specified Error: unable to open display :0". If I do "echo $DISPLAY" locally from that same machine it says ":0" |
| 21:13.56 | m8 | jelly-home the error is the command not in path :) but SHELL=/bin/bash doesn't read .bashrc |
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| 21:14.58 | Arrowmaster | damir__: random guess would be an xauth issue |
| 21:15.01 | jhutchins_wk | damir__: Are you logged in to ssh as the same user who is logged in to :0? |
| 21:15.08 | damir__ | yes |
| 21:15.10 | TheWarden | jhutchins_wk: to be honest I can't recall. |
| 21:15.14 | damir__ | xauth is installed |
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| 21:15.25 | damir__ | with root it also doesn't work |
| 21:15.28 | TheWarden | I'm going to shutdown or reboot until X Window running lxde |
| 21:15.45 | Arrowmaster | damir__: ssh in and do echo $XAUTHORITY |
| 21:15.47 | TheWarden | somiaj: lxde with gdm |
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| 21:16.17 | somiaj | TheWarden: ahh yea I don't know what they are doing there with policykit and allowing users to run shutdown -- I just use cli + sudo..:/ |
| 21:16.41 | Arrowmaster | damir__: compare it with doing echo $XAUTHORITY from the local console |
| 21:17.11 | TheWarden | somiaj: I prefer CLI myself but others require the GUI so what I can I say :-). I just need to figure out how to fix this as prompting for root password is stupid to just shutdown or reboot. |
| 21:17.55 | damir__ | Arrowmaster: yes the XAUTHORITY is different |
| 21:18.13 | TheWarden | jhutchins_wk: any idea? |
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| 21:19.13 | Arrowmaster | damir__: if you change it in the ssh session to the same as the locals then it should work but youll probably have to get the new variable everytime you login locally |
| 21:19.19 | damir__ | actually, XAUTHORITY over ssh is empty |
| 21:19.28 | damir__ | yeah |
| 21:20.03 | damir__ | I'm reading some workarounds, but is there any proper way to do that? |
| 21:20.27 | Arrowmaster | i dont remember the specifics but i think i worked out a workaround on stackexchange comments with a guy, it envolved running xhost in the login scripts |
| 21:21.50 | jimcooncat | damir, ssh -Y |
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| 21:21.53 | damir__ | alright, thanks |
| 21:22.05 | damir__ | jimcooncat: I'm not trying to run remote apps on my local screen |
| 21:22.13 | Arrowmaster | http://unix.stackexchange.com/a/10126 has my comments from 2011 on the issue |
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| 21:22.35 | damir__ | i was just reading that, thanks :) |
| 21:23.35 | jimcooncat | damir__: Oh, I get it now. |
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| 21:26.00 | Adie__ | WOOOOOOOOOOOOOO INCEST! |
| 21:26.05 | Adie__ | smacks abrotman |
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| 21:26.33 | damir__ | hmm even setting the XAUTHORITY to the same value doesn't seem to help |
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| 21:32.27 | millennia | are packages listed as available in Debian GNU/kFreebsd generally available in debian linux too? |
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| 21:33.29 | Arrowmaster | millennia: mostly yes |
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| 21:33.49 | millennia | that's good then |
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| 21:41.36 | somiaj | TheWarden: I belive it is either policykit (or gdm) that is doing it. Not sure on how to configure though as I haven't touched either of those things |
| 21:42.23 | jhutchins_wk | TheWarden: I've had that feature break on me before, but it's been a while. Had trouble with it on ltsp. |
| 21:43.17 | somiaj | TheWarden: do you have another user logged in (Such as are you loged in as root or a user in a tty as well as in lxde)? |
| 21:43.35 | somiaj | TheWarden: it appears the default is to require the root password if there is another user loged onto the system |
| 21:44.09 | TheWarden | somiaj: oh really... yeah I'm logged in remotely using SSH. let me try that. |
| 21:44.39 | TheWarden | somiaj: oh lol I didn't realize it did that. Makes sense, so no issue then. Thanks for pointing that out. |
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| 21:45.15 | somiaj | http://forums.linuxmint.com/viewtopic.php?f=141&t=60561 -- if you want to disable that 'feature' |
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| 21:45.55 | somiaj | the power of googlefoo, my helping ablity drops drastically without it...:D |
| 21:46.01 | TheWarden | somiaj: no I think that will be fine being that way. I just wasn't aware of the that feature so I thought something was wrong lol. |
| 21:46.20 | TheWarden | somiaj: well you did go finding it cause I didn't come across that. |
| 21:46.23 | somiaj | me either |
| 21:46.28 | jhutchins_wk | Actually, that seems like a reasonable precaution. It'd be nice if it would say something useful htough. |
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| 21:46.42 | TheWarden | yes i twould |
| 21:46.45 | somiaj | second link in google from 'lxde shutdown require root password' |
| 21:47.05 | somiaj | jhutchins_wk: yea a useful error would be nice, other users logged on, enter root password to shutdown anyways |
| 21:47.07 | TheWarden | lol I didn't have lxde in my search yet |
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| 21:47.18 | TheWarden | agreed |
| 21:47.51 | somiaj | well time for me to vanish again, keep up the fun TheWarden |
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| 21:48.17 | TheWarden | somiaj: I will and thanks for the help. |
| 21:48.22 | TheWarden | somiaj: take care |
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| 21:56.02 | sc_ | just upgraded roundcube to 0.8.5, from 0.3.1... What a DIFFERENCE |
| 21:56.11 | sc_ | why is debian stable so behind the times with RoundCube? |
| 21:56.16 | fnmueller | positive one? |
| 21:56.22 | sc_ | sure is |
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| 21:56.48 | sc_ | losely followed this tutorial: http://jmorano.moretrix.com/2012/08/upgrade-roundcube-debian-squeeze/ |
| 21:56.50 | fnmueller | sc_: well, there is backports..... |
| 21:57.20 | cra1g321 | debian stable picks stability over bleeding edege ;) |
| 21:58.04 | sc_ | http://trac.roundcube.net/wiki/Changelog |
| 21:58.20 | sc_ | i would argue that 0.8.5 is more stable (and feature rich) than 0.3.1 |
| 21:58.23 | sc_ | that is for sure |
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| 21:59.04 | fnmueller | sc_: you are forgetting about testing it and everytrhing. Anyhow, just check out debian policy, which should answer your question |
| 21:59.17 | sc_ | don't care |
| 21:59.18 | sc_ | :) |
| 21:59.44 | fnmueller | good, if you don't, no point |
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| 22:00.03 | sc_ | i have been using debian for almost 10 years, this is really the only time stable hasn't had a `recent' package of something |
| 22:00.34 | jhutchins_wk | sc_: If you don't care, why are you complaining here? |
| 22:00.52 | cra1g321 | maybe someone has been slacking on the packaging ;) |
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| 22:01.12 | sc_ | jhutchins_wk: no one else is using this channel to communicate |
| 22:01.24 | sc_ | thought i would make some people actually type into this channel |
| 22:01.28 | sc_ | if you want a real answer |
| 22:01.56 | czytacz | hi, could you please tell me how to disable adding absolute path in generated tarball? |
| 22:02.04 | dondelelcaro | sc_: because that version didn't exist when stable was released |
| 22:02.15 | sc_ | a newer one probably did :) |
| 22:02.32 | dondelelcaro | sc_: if you want a newer version of roundcube, it'd be helpful if you worked with the people who are packaging it to get new releases in |
| 22:02.52 | czytacz | my command ===> tar -czf /var/www/creative/files /var/www/creative/backup/files-$(date +\%Y\%m\%d-\%H\%M).tar.gz |
| 22:04.50 | xsappyx | czytacz: check the -C, --directory command in the man page |
| 22:05.16 | tremon | czytacz: tar by default strips leading /'s |
| 22:05.42 | czytacz | will do that, thanks |
| 22:05.52 | tremon | but your command is wrong, the paths to archive should follow the filename |
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| 22:06.54 | czytacz | tremon: what do you mean? |
| 22:06.57 | tremon | (and for clarity's sake: the paths to the files you want archived should follow the filename of the archive to be created) |
| 22:07.14 | sc_ | dondelelcaro: don't wizards and robots control the debian packaging? why would they want input from a peon like me? |
| 22:07.36 | wm4 | what's the default root password for new installations via debootstrap? |
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| 22:07.45 | tremon | wm4: there is none |
| 22:08.02 | wm4 | tremon: with an empty password I get "Permission denied, please try again." with ssh |
| 22:08.41 | tremon | czytacz: please ask more specific questions, I'm not sure what part of what I said wasn't clear enough |
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| 22:09.28 | tremon | wm4: so, is root listed in /etc/passwd and is there a password (not a * or X) in /etc/shadow for root? |
| 22:09.33 | czytacz | tremon: why is my command wrong? the archive is created correctly |
| 22:09.48 | tremon | czytacz: ah, then you can ignore me :) |
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| 22:10.33 | tremon | I've got bitten before where 'tar czf test/ a.tgz' would try to create test and put a.tgz in the "archive" |
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| 22:12.01 | wm4 | tremon: I see * |
| 22:12.04 | czytacz | tremon: ah, You're actually right, I copied wrong line |
| 22:12.11 | wm4 | root:x:0:0:root:/root:/bin/bash |
| 22:12.16 | wm4 | root:*:15733:0:99999:7::: |
| 22:12.24 | czytacz | tremon: the correct one ===> tar -czf /var/www/creative/backup/files-$(date +\%Y\%m\%d-\%H\%M).tar.gz /var/www/creative/files |
| 22:12.34 | tremon | wm4: that second line means that no password is set |
| 22:12.47 | wm4 | tremon: how do I set one from ssh? |
| 22:13.05 | tremon | wm4: you can't, unless you have another way of gaining root on that system |
| 22:13.14 | wm4 | tremon: well I could directly login |
| 22:13.21 | wm4 | but that requires a password as well |
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| 22:13.43 | wm4 | why does this install guide not mention this? |
| 22:13.55 | tremon | czytacz: yeah, that looks better. still, in response to your first question: man tar, look for -P |
| 22:14.27 | tremon | wm4: I wasn't aware that the install guide mentioned debootstrap at all. It's quite an 'expert' approach to installing debian |
| 22:14.57 | tremon | goes and reads the d-i manual |
| 22:14.58 | wm4 | that guide mentions even the most basic things |
| 22:15.27 | wm4 | except not that critical detail that requires you to gain access in another way again |
| 22:15.46 | Craphter | Can you guys recommend me a software for burning .isos to usbs for Win7? |
| 22:17.18 | tremon | wm4: luckily, the installation manual for wheezy (next release) does mention it: http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/manual/en.i386/apds03.html#idp7575824 |
| 22:18.00 | tremon | but it's indeed missing from the d-i manual for squeeze |
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| 22:20.49 | jhutchins_wk | wm4: When you are in the system that you used to create the debbootstrap as root, you are also root on the debbootstrap. Mount /proc and /dev as needed, chroot to the new system, and proceed to set root password and/or add users with sudo permissions. |
| 22:21.39 | jhutchins_wk | Craphter: The most common one is unetbootin, but there have been problems with it for some people. |
| 22:22.01 | jhutchins_wk | Craphter: I suspect user error, but since I don't have windows to test it on... |
| 22:22.44 | jhutchins_wk | wm4: I believe it is the sshd.conf that prevents users from logging in as root with a blank password. |
| 22:22.47 | Craphter | jhutchins_wk: I've been using it, it's pretty straightforward, so I don't think I could've made any mistakes. It doesnt' work for me. |
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| 22:29.52 | wstr3276 | hi guys, me on debian wheeze testing x64, and cal -M neither cal -m makes the week start on monday... any ideas? bug? |
| 22:30.31 | Craphter | Can you guys recommend me a software for burning .isos to usbs for Win7? |
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| 22:32.50 | nmschulte | Does anyone play EVE Online under Debian? |
| 22:33.04 | lupine | dd ? |
| 22:33.06 | xsappyx | wstr3276: ncal -M or if you want it to look like cal, ncal -MC |
| 22:34.14 | wstr3276 | xsappyx: Thank you so much!! it works great!! |
| 22:34.56 | jhutchins_wk | !repeat |
| 22:34.56 | dpkg | Please don't immediately repeat your question if no one answers it. If no one answers, that means that either no one knows the answer to your question, no one is willing to answer it, or you haven't provided enough information. Ask me about <ask> or <sicco> if you need help phrasing your question. If you don't get an answer here, go ahead and try asking your question on debian-user@lists.debian.org |
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| 22:35.43 | jhutchins_wk | Craphter: This is an area where we currently do not have adequate knowledge of Windows, and most of us are trying to learn more about Debian and Linux instead. |
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| 22:36.06 | Craphter | jhutchins_wk: Yeah that makes sense :/ It's just that after a few weeks of trying you just become desperate. |
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| 22:36.28 | fnmueller | Craphter: once again, unetbootin seems to be used quite often |
| 22:36.29 | jhutchins_wk | Craphter: My advice would be to figure out what's not working with unetbootin and fix it. |
| 22:36.46 | Craphter | fnmueller: I've been using it and it simply doesn't work. |
| 22:36.57 | fnmueller | Craphter: ok, use dd |
| 22:37.00 | Craphter | jhutchins_wk: Oh yeah that's a good idea. I'll look into it. |
| 22:37.03 | jhutchins_wk | !doesn't work |
| 22:37.03 | dpkg | "Doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message?". Ask me about <smart questions>, <sicco> and <errors>. |
| 22:37.22 | jhutchins_wk | Craphter: You can install linux utilities on windows with packages like cygwin. |
| 22:37.48 | Craphter | jhutchins_wk: So i've heard. I'll give unetbootin another try and maybe you guys can help me with that? |
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| 22:39.46 | jhutchins_wk | Craphter: Could be. Some people may get grumpy about it being offtopic. |
| 22:40.04 | Craphter | Hmm right. Well thanks anyways :) |
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| 22:41.41 | czytacz | one more question. Let's say I want my debian machine to work ONLY over LAN. No incoming or outgoing traffic. Will commenting out gateway in interfaces be enough? |
| 22:42.05 | babilen | Craphter: Are you trying to create a usb installer for Debian from Windows? |
| 22:42.12 | Craphter | babilen: I am |
| 22:42.19 | jhutchins_wk | czytacz: Yes, that should work. That or set an invalid gateway. |
| 22:42.25 | babilen | Craphter: Didn't we discuss this yesterday? |
| 22:42.34 | Craphter | babilen: We did |
| 22:42.47 | babilen | Craphter: And you used the image writer that I recommended? |
| 22:42.52 | ex0a | czytacz: firewall off all traffic from non-lan sources/destinations imo |
| 22:42.59 | babilen | (the one for windows, that is linked in "/msg dpkg usb install"?) |
| 22:43.11 | Craphter | babilen: I did, and it corrupted my USB. I think you didn't read it among all the fast chatting. |
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| 22:43.44 | Craphter | It turned into a 4 MB USB. |
| 22:43.58 | jhutchins_wk | Craphter: Have you validated the iso? |
| 22:44.00 | babilen | Craphter: Corrupted it how? I heard that you might have to rename the .iso to a .img -- Which image did you use? |
| 22:44.15 | Craphter | jhutchins_wk: I'm having a hard time finding the MD5 sums. |
| 22:44.19 | jhutchins_wk | Craphter: The drive will appear to be the same size as the image, not the size of the drive. |
| 22:44.29 | babilen | Craphter: That tools is the best that I can think of and I know a bunch of people that used it. |
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| 22:44.45 | Craphter | babilen: Oh, that explains quite a lot. I did have some trouble with the .iso format since it looked for .img only. |
| 22:44.54 | Craphter | jhutchins_wk: I think it only copied 4 mb then. |
| 22:44.57 | babilen | Craphter: unetbootin is known to lead to errors (the installer can't find the "cd") |
| 22:45.09 | Craphter | babilen: Yeah I'm not getting that error though |
| 22:46.51 | babilen | Craphter: And it causes broken grub installation and a lot of other bugs. Would you mind giving that image writer another try? Can't you boot from CD? |
| 22:47.16 | babilen | Craphter: Just rename the .iso to .img beforehand - I've had people reporting success. |
| 22:47.17 | Craphter | babilen: Yeah I'm downloading it again. I can boot from CD but I get more errors than from USB. |
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| 22:48.24 | babilen | Craphter: Well, you could always boot a linux live cd, create the usb installer from there and then install it. (I know, I know, ...) -- a totally different approach would be to install something like https://github.com/bmatzelle/gow/wiki and use the dd/cat that comes with that. (haven't heard of anybody trying that though) |
| 22:48.43 | babilen | Craphter: And you use the firmware-wheezy image? |
| 22:48.59 | Craphter | babilen: Any new ideas are welcome. I'll try that! |
| 22:49.19 | Craphter | babilen: Yes I downloaded that .iso and I'm trying to burn that one |
| 22:49.36 | jhutchins_wk | babilen: I think the "can't find CD" errors are from users choosing the wrong image (the one intended for systems that can't boot from CD). |
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| 22:51.53 | Craphter | For example I just burned it with unetbootin, I plug the USB, I turn the computer on and I get the following message: "SYSLINUX 4.03 2010-10-22 EDD Copyright (C) 1994-2010 H. Peter Anvin et al" |
| 22:52.02 | babilen | jhutchins_wk: Well, I've seen it multiple times in the context of unetbootin and "don't use unetbootin" fixed it -- I am not very fond of unetbootin after seeing all the crap it produces. |
| 22:52.40 | abrotman | Craphter: haven't we been over the unetbootin thing ? |
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| 22:53.04 | Craphter | abrotman: I'm sorry but I forget, I've tried so many thing already. |
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| 22:53.23 | abrotman | Craphter: "don't use unetbootin, it rarely works" :) |
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| 22:53.42 | Craphter | abrotman: Yeah I see :/ I was just testing it again to see what error it gave me. |
| 22:53.57 | Craphter | abrotman: I'm trying with Win32 Disk Imager right now |
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| 22:55.26 | Craphter | What do you know? Win32DiskImager actually works! |
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| 22:55.54 | jhutchins_wk | babilen: Blame Windows. Everybody else does. |
| 22:56.07 | Craphter | It does throw an "invalid ioem size" but meh... As long as it works! |
| 22:56.24 | abrotman | Craphter: but that's not the image software's fault |
| 22:56.26 | babilen | Craphter: So it was the "rename .iso to .img" trick that did, well, the trick? |
| 22:56.30 | Craphter | jhutchins_wk: Thank you and babilen for your time and patience :) |
| 22:56.34 | Craphter | babilen: Indeed it worked |
| 22:56.37 | abrotman | babilen: hey look .. unetbootin didn't work, something else did! |
| 22:56.54 | babilen | abrotman: been there, done that ;) |
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| 22:58.02 | Craphter | I do get one error: "some of your hardware eeds non-free firmware files to operate. The firmware can be loaded from removable media, such as a USB stick. The missing firmware files is: iwlwifi-6000g2a-6.ucode If you have such media available right now, inster it and continue" |
| 22:58.15 | abrotman | Craphter: we can fix that later |
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| 22:58.25 | Craphter | abrotman: Ok then :) moving on |
| 22:58.49 | jhutchins_wk | babilen: Points to the "it's unetbootin" theory. |
| 22:59.10 | babilen | Craphter: You have that firmware (as you are using the firmware image) -- The installer still complains about it though. |
| 22:59.31 | babilen | Craphter: Just continue and you should be fine (and you can also install these pacakges (firmware-iwlwifi) later |
| 22:59.35 | Craphter | babilen: haha, it reminded me about installing a game "please insert disk 2" |
| 22:59.37 | babilen | *packages |
| 23:00.39 | Craphter | it ACTUALLY detected my wifi :') so proud of you Debian, doing things Gentoo can't. |
| 23:00.55 | abrotman | oh, didn't realize he had the firmware image |
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| 23:02.48 | TheWarden | Well I'm off, take care all. |
| 23:02.55 | babilen | Craphter: If you install via WiFi and plan to use network-manager later you have to edit /etc/network/interfaces and remove the entries for wlan0 (your wifi configuration) from it. NM wouldn't manage that interface otherwise |
| 23:03.21 | Craphter | babilen: So should I just use a wired network? |
| 23:03.43 | babilen | Craphter: Well, that would certainly been easier. There are still some rough edges |
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| 23:04.16 | Craphter | babilen: Wired it is. Wireless is asking for the wpa2 key, but as I insert it, it says it's too short. So wired it is. |
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| 23:08.42 | wodim | hi, do you know if it's possible to install perl modules as .deb packages without root access? |
| 23:08.55 | wodim | something like adding a new path for perl to search |
| 23:09.20 | abrotman | perl has the ability to include other files |
| 23:10.01 | wodim | hmm |
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| 23:12.49 | jawr_ | so, alot of the os accidentally got deleted today, i still have a shell, but everything can not be found |
| 23:12.56 | jawr_ | using echo, how can i recover :p |
| 23:13.14 | abrotman | do you have busybox? |
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| 23:15.09 | jawr_ | nope :( |
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| 23:15.14 | Craphter | Does LVM mean logical volume manager? As in "partition disks". |
| 23:15.24 | abrotman | jawr_: restore from backups |
| 23:15.28 | abrotman | Craphter: yes |
| 23:15.51 | Craphter | abrotman: Should I install it? I plan to make no partitions, the whole HDD is only for Debian |
| 23:16.32 | abrotman | Craphter: you still need at least one partitoin |
| 23:17.04 | Craphter | abrotman: Yes, I meant I won't divide the disk into smaller parts. Will it be useful for me? I'm not sure about this |
| 23:17.14 | abrotman | Craphter: so you just want / and swap ? |
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| 23:17.30 | jawr_ | aboudreault: it is remote, worst case scenario we will put a rescue disk in |
| 23:17.36 | jawr_ | i just wanted to see if there was an alternative route |
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| 23:17.57 | Craphter | abrotman: Mmm, in my previous linux I usually used swap and two others. I guess I'll install it then |
| 23:18.55 | abrotman | jawr_: do you have any package management binaries? |
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| 23:21.40 | Craphter | What are the advantages of having all Linux in one partition, vs separating /home /usr /var and /tmp into different partitions? |
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| 23:22.19 | zifnab | how stable is wheezy right now? |
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| 23:22.21 | abrotman | Craphter: you don't have to size the paritions? |
| 23:22.25 | abrotman | zifnab: for what use? |
| 23:22.36 | abrotman | Craphter: this is part of what LVM addresses |
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| 23:22.43 | zifnab | abrotman: a dom0 controller |
| 23:23.02 | Arrowmaster | there isnt much advantage anymore to putting everything on separate partitions right now unless you have a very specialize requirement |
| 23:23.02 | Arrowmaster | having a separate /home means you can reinstall without wiping out /home |
| 23:23.19 | abrotman | Craphter: i'd at least do a separate /home/ |
| 23:23.25 | jawr_ | abrotman: if i do echo /usr/bin/* i can see apt-get |
| 23:23.32 | abrotman | jawr_: and if you try to run it? |
| 23:23.38 | jawr_ | however:-bash: /usr/bin/apt-get: No such file or directory |
| 23:24.31 | abrotman | jawr_: can you run dpkg ? |
| 23:24.57 | jawr_ | nope, same error for anything that isn't bash builtin |
| 23:25.01 | jawr_ | if i do: while IFS= read -r line; do printf '%s\n' "$line"; done < /usr/bin/apt-get |
| 23:25.04 | jawr_ | i can see the binary file |
| 23:25.06 | jawr_ | and it looks ok |
| 23:25.26 | jawr_ | same for /bin/bash,sh |
| 23:25.35 | jawr_ | wonder if it's libs that are broke or something? |
| 23:25.46 | abrotman | jawr_: what is uname -a |
| 23:26.03 | jawr_ | not bash built in command :p |
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| 23:26.11 | jawr_ | but it's wheezy, fairly up to date |
| 23:26.23 | Craphter | Arrowmaster: thanks |
| 23:26.29 | jawr_ | i lied, it's 6.0.5 |
| 23:26.36 | abrotman | that's not wheezy |
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| 23:26.52 | abrotman | jawr_: unless you can run busybox or basic package management commands, you're going to have to reinstall |
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| 23:27.18 | xreyuk | Hey guys, just looking for a bit of help if anyone can help me, run across a problem when trying to install a new package. |
| 23:27.20 | jawr_ | abrotman: that's why i lied :D |
| 23:27.24 | jawr_ | too many boxes |
| 23:27.27 | Arrowmaster | jawr_: did you wipe out libc6? |
| 23:27.43 | abrotman | xreyuk: use a pastebin to show us the error |
| 23:27.45 | jawr_ | someone did a rm on various parts of / |
| 23:27.50 | abrotman | jawr_: are you telling the truth about anything ? |
| 23:27.53 | jawr_ | i'm not sure of the extent of the damage |
| 23:27.58 | jawr_ | 23:15 < jawr_> but it's wheezy, fairly up to date |
| 23:28.00 | jawr_ | 23:15 < jawr_> i lied, it's 6.0.5 |
| 23:28.03 | jawr_ | 23:15 < abrotman> that's not wheezy |
| 23:28.10 | abrotman | ... |
| 23:28.17 | xreyuk | abrotman: http://pastebin.com/ravh0Njk |
| 23:28.21 | Arrowmaster | jawr_: i recall a very similar experience when i wiped out libc6 on accident, i couldnt do much of anything from the shell |
| 23:28.31 | jawr_ | :( |
| 23:28.37 | jawr_ | rescue cd/reinstall? |
| 23:28.51 | abrotman | xreyuk: pastebin your sources.list also |
| 23:28.57 | jawr_ | the only thing in /lib64 is init |
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| 23:29.08 | jawr_ | lib32 looks ok |
| 23:29.13 | xreyuk | abrotman: http://pastebin.com/9Lc3fyrW |
| 23:29.24 | xreyuk | the source at the end is the repository for plexmediaserver. |
| 23:29.25 | Arrowmaster | yes rescue cd in and start by reinstalling libc6, dpkg, etc |
| 23:29.36 | jawr_ | righto |
| 23:29.40 | jawr_ | rescue cd it is |
| 23:29.53 | abrotman | xreyuk: run 'apt-get update;aptitude update' .. try again |
| 23:29.53 | blixten | what does that thing do? |
| 23:30.02 | abrotman | what thing? |
| 23:30.07 | blixten | rescue cd |
| 23:30.10 | Arrowmaster | if you are lucky, once you can run dpkg again you can find out if the db is still intact, if it is you can just mark everything for reinstall |
| 23:30.14 | jawr_ | apt-get update;aptitude update |
| 23:30.16 | jawr_ | why do that? |
| 23:30.26 | abrotman | jawr_: did you fix your broken system yet? |
| 23:30.30 | jawr_ | surely that does the same thing, just different tools? |
| 23:31.44 | xreyuk | abrotman: same problem after doing tat. |
| 23:31.54 | xreyuk | a normal apt-get upgrade is also holding packages back if that helps. |
| 23:32.17 | abrotman | xreyuk: show the output of "aptitude update;aptitude full-upgrade" |
| 23:32.25 | jawr_ | rescue cd is like a very basic live cd |
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| 23:32.35 | jawr_ | it's a working environent so that you can fix borked stuff |
| 23:32.41 | jawr_ | i.e. mount the broken os and work on it |
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| 23:34.08 | xreyuk | abrotman: http://pastebin.com/RXLAxUpf |
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| 23:34.53 | abrotman | xreyuk: was this system always squeeze? |
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| 23:34.58 | xreyuk | Yes. |
| 23:35.03 | abrotman | xreyuk: did you try to use wheezy at some point ? |
| 23:35.10 | xreyuk | nope. |
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| 23:35.33 | xreyuk | abrotman: Why do you ask? |
| 23:35.54 | abrotman | xreyuk: pastebin 'apt-cache policy libtag1-vanilla' |
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| 23:36.19 | xreyuk | abrotman: I'm being asked to give an answer to that output |
| 23:36.21 | xreyuk | y/n/q |
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| 23:36.36 | abrotman | say q |
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| 23:37.14 | xreyuk | abrotman: http://pastebin.com/f6Unsz1G |
| 23:37.31 | xreyuk | From what I understand, it may have been plexmediaserver that installed something. |
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| 23:37.34 | xreyuk | That's what a friend of mine thinks anyway |
| 23:37.52 | abrotman | xreyuk: that plexmediaserver is trying to break your system .. |
| 23:38.30 | xreyuk | In what way? |
| 23:38.48 | abrotman | it's trying to install packages that depend on newer things than squeeze has |
| 23:39.16 | xreyuk | I see. |
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| 23:40.30 | xreyuk | What is it trying to install that has a dependancy on something squeeze doesn't have. |
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| 23:40.44 | superstraw | dpkg |
| 23:40.56 | abrotman | superstraw: you can msg the bot |
| 23:41.13 | abrotman | xreyuk: the libtag1-vanilla depends on something squeeze doesn't seem to have |
| 23:41.17 | superstraw | thank you |
| 23:42.04 | x42 | hi there - how do i auto ifup wlano ? http://pad.braegelmann.net/p/raspi_interfaces |
| 23:42.06 | abrotman | xreyuk: http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=libstdc%2B%2B6 |
| 23:42.31 | Devastator | !raspberry |
| 23:42.31 | dpkg | The Raspberry Pi is an open hardware design for a tiny PC based on a Broadcom system-on-a-chip, requiring <non-free> <firmware>. Debian's <armel> port works fine on the Raspberry Pi but does not use its hardware floating point support. Debian's <armhf> port (wheezy onwards) targets a newer revision of the ARM chip than is in the Pi, so armhf will not work on it. http://www.raspberrypi.org/ #raspberrypi on irc.freenode.net. |
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| 23:43.32 | Devastator | not really the factoid I thought |
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| 23:44.08 | abrotman | you wanted rasbian ? |
| 23:44.10 | abrotman | or whatever it is |
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| 23:44.51 | xreyuk | thanks abrotman |
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| 23:45.01 | xreyuk | What's the best course of action for me now? |
| 23:45.06 | xreyuk | Delete the repo from plex? |
| 23:45.13 | abrotman | xreyuk: ask that plexmedia maintainer to fix their stuff |
| 23:45.18 | xreyuk | I will do. |
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| 23:45.42 | xreyuk | Do I need to delete the repository from my sourceS/ |
| 23:45.49 | abrotman | you sohuld comment it out for now |
| 23:46.27 | xreyuk | I've posted on their forums asking why it's like this. I'm assuming that when they sort it out I should be okay? |
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| 23:47.56 | abrotman | hopefully |
| 23:48.40 | xreyuk | Thanks for your help. |
| 23:48.42 | ctmjr | i installed plex media server on squeeze from source had to get some dependencies from backports when all was said and done i was not very impressed |
| 23:48.58 | abrotman | ctmjr: i didn't see a libstdc++ at bpo |
| 23:49.10 | xreyuk | abrotman: can I ask, the commands you gave me, would you mind explaining what each one does? |
| 23:49.12 | abrotman | so that's not possible using backports.org |
| 23:49.20 | abrotman | xreyuk: ask about each in turn, sure |
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| 23:49.54 | xreyuk | apt-get update;aptitude update - what does the ;aptitude-update do in this command? |
| 23:50.02 | xreyuk | I've never seen a command with a ; in the middle of it. |
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| 23:50.17 | abrotman | xreyuk: i should also note, each command has a man page |
| 23:50.30 | abrotman | xreyuk: those update the available packages for those package managers |
| 23:50.41 | themill | xreyuk: ; is a command separator. It's two separate commands. |
| 23:50.46 | xreyuk | agh okay themill |
| 23:51.00 | xreyuk | aren't those two command the same? |
| 23:51.10 | abrotman | should be |
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| 23:51.34 | xreyuk | I see, and the full-upgrade command. |
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| 23:51.43 | xreyuk | What is different about that compared to apt-get upgrade? |
| 23:51.54 | themill | dpkg: tell xreyuk about full-upgrade |
| 23:52.01 | abrotman | different problem resolver is the biggest difference |
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| 23:52.26 | abrotman | apt-get is a bit dumb .. sometimes that's preferred. aptitude allows mlutiple solutions, but somestimes can't find a good way out |
| 23:53.22 | xreyuk | I see. |
| 23:54.07 | xreyuk | themill: too many upgrade commands to get my head around! :P |
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| 23:55.12 | xreyuk | thanks for the help guys. |
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| 23:58.40 | Craphter | abrotman: Print server" reffer to printers, right? |
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