| 00:00.29 | irule | I am considering : (5 adsl links) <-> (simple 8 port SWITCH) <-> (linux) <-> (network... ..is this possible? crazy? :D |
| 00:01.07 | Towzzer | irule, i think what you want to use |
| 00:01.08 | kryl | streuner, no it's not a windows question. I don't have to do with windows. the backup process is all under linux ! when I restart it just must work. |
| 00:01.11 | Towzzer | is pfsense |
| 00:01.16 | kryl | and yes it's a dual boot of course. |
| 00:01.17 | Towzzer | that supports multi-wan |
| 00:02.02 | streuner | kryl: i would use a LIVE-CD/DVD and chroot it and use update-grub.... |
| 00:02.11 | kryl | normally a dd if=/dev/sda1 of=file bs=1M;dd if=file of=/dev/sda1 bs=1M may work isn't it ? |
| 00:03.38 | streuner | kryl: so you HD went to hell? |
| 00:03.50 | streuner | s/you/your/ |
| 00:03.55 | kryl | streuner, what grub is doing with sda1 partition ? it's suppose to be on sda |
| 00:04.50 | streuner | kryl: well, i havent any issues with grub at all, update-grub was always good enough... |
| 00:05.22 | rhot | zykotick9, dd + sync simply doesn't work. Image isn't bootable (the system cannot recognize fs), but with Unetbootin I manage to boot in GUI GRUB. And then the installer misses CD-ROM. |
| 00:05.25 | streuner | kryl: you should tell us more details |
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| 00:06.20 | kryl | my issue isn't coming from grub. For example if I do dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sda1 (on win partition) grub will work ... and propose all the boot selections like normal. |
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| 00:08.02 | kryl | when I restore my win part like : dd if=BACKUP of=/dev/sda1 windows stay blocked under his boot process (on the logo) and it's the second time I have that with 2 different win version and different hd. So I think it's an other problem. My question is just how do you backup your ntfs partition (without the MASTER BOOT RECORD) under linux on your side. |
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| 00:09.43 | kryl | whish details will u need ? |
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| 00:10.04 | streuner | i guess, thats enough details |
| 00:10.07 | kryl | I did it with partimage too with the same problem |
| 00:10.18 | streuner | great |
| 00:10.36 | kryl | and of course I always do that from liveusb (systemrescuecd) |
| 00:10.43 | kryl | without mounting anything |
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| 00:13.31 | mynameisdeleted | so.. with secondlife viewers... debian stable has snowglobe and snowglobe2 which by defautl connect only to the proprietary secondlife grid that is very money oriented and not very open-source oriented |
| 00:14.01 | mynameisdeleted | imprudenceviewer which has native 64-bit support and support for more processors and logs into any grid including those run on open-source software is not included in debian |
| 00:15.02 | mynameisdeleted | I'd like it of debians packages were friendliest to open-source server software rather than black-boxes |
| 00:16.12 | abrotman | but his name is steve |
| 00:16.32 | mynameisdeleted | who are we talking about? |
| 00:18.30 | abrotman | mynameisdeleted: is this a bug, or a request for a package? |
| 00:18.46 | mynameisdeleted | request for package change |
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| 00:18.52 | mynameisdeleted | and a bug |
| 00:19.06 | mynameisdeleted | earlier versions of snowglobe could log into open-source sims easilyl with a simple command-line |
| 00:19.26 | abrotman | uhm .. 'package change" is a bug .. "request for a package" is for a totally new package |
| 00:19.49 | mynameisdeleted | so I request that snowglobe be fixed, or that the alternative package be included or both |
| 00:20.02 | abrotman | !tell mynameisdeleted about reportbug |
| 00:20.04 | abrotman | good luck! |
| 00:20.07 | caf | if it only works with proprietary servers then should probably be in the contrib archive |
| 00:20.59 | abrotman | i can't really make out what he's trying to say |
| 00:21.17 | mynameisdeleted | sorry for bothering people here |
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| 00:21.45 | streuner | mynameisdeleted: no worries, thats not the question... |
| 00:22.50 | streuner | mynameisdeleted: (the question is always, *HOW* we can help...) |
| 00:23.16 | mynameisdeleted | I'l file a bug report on opensim/osgrid compatibility for any secondlife viewer built from their latest code |
| 00:23.26 | mynameisdeleted | linden labs did this to try to kill opensim it seems |
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| 00:24.29 | mynameisdeleted | oops... |
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| 00:26.02 | hammed | I used debootstrap to install a system.. but it dont creates ifconfig how to solve it, to continue installing by apt way ? |
| 00:26.40 | abrotman | hammed: in the net-tools package |
| 00:26.45 | abrotman | dpkg: tell hammed about apt-file |
| 00:27.40 | mynameisdeleted | ahh.. snowglobe is removed from debian unstable.. thats a suitable answer for me |
| 00:28.52 | hammed | abrotman: there is no network my friend |
| 00:29.53 | hammed | someone could help? |
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| 00:30.03 | abrotman | hammed: right .. so how are you going to get packages to the system ? |
| 00:30.14 | abrotman | hammed: are you sure it's not installed? have you checked /sbin/ ? |
| 00:30.50 | hammed | I did debootstrap way |
| 00:30.52 | hammed | yes I did |
| 00:30.58 | abrotman | do you have ifup/ifdown ? |
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| 00:31.35 | hammed | abrotman: dont |
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| 00:32.30 | hammed | debootstrap --variant=minbase squeeze /local http://ftp.debian.org/debian like that abrotman |
| 00:32.56 | canvon | perhaps you have the "ip" utility? |
| 00:33.18 | avalarion | Hey ho, I am normally a Gentoo User, but right now I am trying to install passenger > 3.0.17 on my squeeze... Is there a way to allow it? |
| 00:33.50 | abrotman | avalarion: is there any package in Debian for passenger? |
| 00:34.09 | avalarion | abrotman, yep libapache2-mod-passenger |
| 00:34.14 | abrotman | avalarion: /msg dpkg ssb |
| 00:34.39 | hammed | abrotman: how to install ifconfig command ? |
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| 00:34.44 | abrotman | i told you .. |
| 00:34.44 | dondelelcaro | avalarion: currently only 3.0.13 is in Debian, but is there a reason why you need a newer version? |
| 00:35.24 | hammed | needed help |
| 00:35.33 | abrotman | hammed: why did you use minbase? |
| 00:35.38 | avalarion | dondelelcaro, ^^ some forces say, that I need 3.0.17 for my redmine2 |
| 00:35.44 | avalarion | abrotman, thanks a lot =) |
| 00:35.55 | abrotman | avalarion: as dondelelcaro pointed out, that won't get you 3.0.17 |
| 00:36.18 | abrotman | avalarion: if you need a newer version on top of that, you can try 'uupdate' .. ask the bot about that also |
| 00:36.19 | avalarion | I will try 3.0.13 perhaps I am able to find a dirty way around redmine2 |
| 00:36.20 | hammed | cz I just need the minimal settings for a server |
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| 00:36.41 | irule | how may I add many bondable nics to a linux server? are USB nics reliable? |
| 00:36.46 | canvon | hammed: from the os from where you used debootstrap, get the needed .deb file(s) into the chroot, and run "dpkg -i FOO.deb" on them... you could use http://packages.debian.org/PACKAGENAME, and use the download links from there |
| 00:36.56 | hammed | abrotman: do u have any idea to help me? |
| 00:37.28 | dondelelcaro | irule: if you're not expecting USB nics to handle full ethernet bandwidth, they're usuall OK. |
| 00:37.30 | abrotman | i asked you ... |
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| 00:39.22 | hammed | canvon: wil try that my friend |
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| 00:54.18 | avalarion | abrotman, dondelelcaro ha! Thanks a lot! It's 2am right now and I am not able to go in my bed^^ thank you mates! |
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| 00:55.28 | hammed | someone could tell me a way to install ifconfig by hands? |
| 00:56.33 | abrotman | we told you |
| 00:56.41 | abrotman | why don't you just redo the debootstrap without the minbase? |
| 00:57.06 | hammed | I dont understand how works ftp.debian.org |
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| 00:57.40 | hammed | I see packages.gz |
| 00:57.55 | hammed | but where are the packages? |
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| 00:58.20 | dondelelcaro | hammed: in pool, as described by Packages.gz |
| 00:58.42 | dondelelcaro | hammed: but why not just redebootstrap? far easier, and less aggrevation for all of us. |
| 00:59.00 | hammed | dondelelcaro: friend I wanna continue by hands |
| 00:59.09 | hammed | just need one more package |
| 00:59.13 | hammed | ifconfig |
| 00:59.30 | dondelelcaro | hammed: well, it's documented here: http://wiki.debian.org/RepositoryFormat |
| 00:59.40 | hammed | is it ftp.debian.org/debian/pool ? |
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| 01:01.28 | hammed | dondelelcaro: could u tell me a example of a package in pool? |
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| 01:05.47 | canvon | hammed, use http://packages.debian.org/PACKAGENAME and the download links there, as I told you. e.g., net-tools (like abrotman told you) --> http://ftp.br.debian.org/debian/pool/main/n/net-tools/net-tools_1.60-23_amd64.deb (if you're on x86 64-bit) |
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| 01:06.35 | hammed | canvon: thanks until now |
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| 01:19.22 | ubd | hi how do i install recommended packages after i installed the package with --no-install-recommends |
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| 01:21.17 | canvon | ubd: does perhaps use the same command again without --no-install-recommends work? |
| 01:23.15 | ubd | no it says the package is already installed |
| 01:23.32 | ubd | ill look at web to what are the rec. packages and install them |
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| 02:30.45 | thoonai | hey I want to mount a ntfs hdd rw but though with -w flag its mounted read only |
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| 03:04.23 | LtL | thoonai: the ntfs-3g package should allow you to mount read/write |
| 03:05.08 | lys | what is my best option in using latest stable kde version...remove kde-full and compile from source? |
| 03:05.56 | abrotman | huh? |
| 03:06.03 | abrotman | squeeze has kde |
| 03:06.09 | lys | sorry i mean 4.9 |
| 03:06.12 | lys | and 4.10 when it comes out |
| 03:06.20 | abrotman | you would probably ask #kde |
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| 03:06.36 | abrotman | they may have a package repo |
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| 03:07.42 | lys | if i wanted to keep it updating it from source, i should remove kde-full package correct? |
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| 03:08.29 | abrotman | one would think |
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| 03:09.49 | lys | thanks |
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| 03:16.29 | Craphter | I'm having trouble and getting confused over the root priviliges on Debian. I just want to be able to sudo without having to "su -" all the time. How? |
| 03:17.03 | dvs | Craphter: Install the sudo package and run "visudo" |
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| 03:17.35 | dvs | feels like I'm handing someone a noose |
| 03:17.57 | abrotman | nose? |
| 03:18.17 | dvs | nah, noose |
| 03:18.26 | Craphter | dvs: I had a hard time running visudo, would you help me out with that? |
| 03:18.41 | Craphter | I tried "visudo /etc/sudoers" and it didn't work |
| 03:19.03 | abrotman | ... |
| 03:19.20 | dvs | Craphter: No, it's just visudo (or edit /etc/sudoers with your favorite editor) |
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| 03:19.58 | Craphter | dvs: Ooh. I did try to open it with nano, but since the comments said "ONLY with visudo", I said, visudo it is. |
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| 03:20.40 | abrotman | so 'man visudo' never crossed your mind? |
| 03:21.19 | Craphter | abrotman: Sorry I keep forgeting about the man pages |
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| 03:22.26 | abrotman | so does dvs :) |
| 03:22.33 | Craphter | lol |
| 03:22.35 | dvs | eh? |
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| 04:44.29 | yudi | I have an issue with ssh private key to access Amazon Ec2 instance, it works fine when using from the debian system, but when I try it with putty I cannot get the connection, I think I know the issue, it might be because the permission on the file are too open for the SSH server, how to resolve this issue on a windows machine when using putty? |
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| 04:47.57 | dondelelcaro | yudi: if you can connect using a Debian machine, then the server is fine. Your problem is with putty, most likely the fact that you have the key in the wrong format |
| 04:48.09 | dondelelcaro | yudi: putty uses a totally different key format than openssh |
| 04:48.50 | yudi | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:49.19 | dondelelcaro | yudi: then the thing to do is to look at the auth log on the server, and whatever verbose output modes putty has |
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| 05:03.31 | Hamled | How does ifup/ifdown determine whether or not an interface is configured |
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| 05:12.27 | canvon | Hamled: with my old system, this should be in /etc/network/run/ifstate |
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| 05:12.57 | Hamled | thanks |
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| 06:57.08 | phorce1 | uhhhh ... is there a way to tell what *files* I have /dev/loop0 and /dev/loop1 attached to? I have them mounted and can't recall which image files I actually used to mount them |
| 06:57.22 | phorce1 | ls -l /dev/loop1 |
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| 06:57.33 | phorce1 | ls -la /dev/loop* |
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| 06:57.49 | phorce1 | ls -la /dev/loop? |
| 06:58.01 | phorce1 | <sigh> |
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| 06:58.15 | phorce1 | is too tired to be messing with this right now |
| 06:58.33 | gnarface | phorce1: type: mount |
| 06:58.55 | gnarface | phorce1: (the default action of mount when not provided a command-line option is to print out existing mounts) |
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| 06:59.09 | gnarface | phorce1: although this may give you more useful output, depending: df -h |
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| 06:59.44 | phorce1 | gnarface: but it just tells me where /dev/loopx is mounted, not what image file I actually have assigned to /dev/loopx |
| 06:59.54 | gnarface | OH the image file |
| 06:59.56 | gnarface | hmm |
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| 07:00.32 | gnarface | that's a good question, phorce1 ... and one i don't know the answer to. i've never actually mounted them and lost them afterwards... |
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| 07:01.03 | gnarface | phorce1: i'd suspect maybe in /proc somewhere |
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| 07:01.23 | gnarface | phorce1: i really don't know though. what does it say when you run: file /dev/loop1 |
| 07:01.31 | phorce1 | gnarface: I have multiples that are nearly the same and I don't remember which I mounted. Not lost |
| 07:01.32 | gnarface | ( or /dev/loop or /dev/loop0 or whatever) |
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| 07:01.50 | phorce1 | gnarface: block/special |
| 07:01.57 | gnarface | hrm |
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| 07:02.44 | gnarface | phorce1: how about in dmesg? did it output anything there when you mounted it perhaps? |
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| 07:04.17 | phorce1 | gnarface: unfortunately, mounted weeks (months?) ago then got sidetracked. I can actually just safely umount them and start from scratch when I get back to the project but seeing them mounted posed the question ... |
| 07:04.25 | gnarface | phorce1: uh... actually when i mount an image on loopback and then run "mount" it actually lists the image file AND where i mounted it.... |
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| 07:04.34 | phorce1 | so now I have a new project. LOL! |
| 07:04.36 | gnarface | phorce1: so... cannot recreate |
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| 07:05.21 | gnarface | phorce1: look at the output of "mount" again |
| 07:05.24 | phorce1 | when I run 'mount' I get this --- /dev/loop0 on /mnt/1 type ext4 (rw,offset=62914560) |
| 07:05.50 | gnarface | fascinating |
| 07:06.14 | gnarface | maybe its the /dev/loop0 device you mounted... |
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| 07:06.22 | phorce1 | Note the offset. I'm pretty sure both loop0 and loop1 are different partitions inside a single image file |
| 07:06.41 | phorce1 | /dev/loop0 on /mnt/1 type ext4 (rw,offset=62914560) |
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| 07:06.48 | gnarface | yea but... : /home/gnarface/bios_flash/winb98se.IMA on /mnt type vfat (rw,relatime,fmask=0022,dmask=0022,codepage=cp437,iocharset=utf8,shortname=mixed,errors=remount-ro) |
| 07:06.52 | gnarface | that's what i get |
| 07:06.56 | phorce1 | /dev/loop1 on /mnt/2 type vfat (rw,offset=4194304) |
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| 07:07.46 | gnarface | phorce1: how did you actually mount... i use mount -o loop [filename] [target mount point] |
| 07:08.01 | phorce1 | I think I actually had to create the loop connection then mount /dev/loopX because of the offsets |
| 07:08.18 | gnarface | hmmm |
| 07:08.30 | gnarface | you lost me then |
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| 07:09.18 | phorce1 | Ahhh, hang on a sec |
| 07:09.49 | KeatonT | I need an rsync guru |
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| 07:12.34 | Leoneof | hello, i can't enable 'compositing type: opengl' in wheezy kde, it was fine before updating :\ |
| 07:12.48 | phorce1 | gnarface: I'm pretty sure it's my raspbian-XBMC image. That's the only ras-pi image I have that is over 1G raw size |
| 07:14.00 | gnarface | phorce1: hmm. you might want to try asking in #raspbian |
| 07:14.32 | gnarface | phorce1: i know that some of the boot partition mounting/creation is really bizarre on the pi, maybe this is similarly bizarre (i have one but i have not gotten up to trying XBMC yet) |
| 07:15.00 | Miesco | I have 500mb memory and 8kb is free, is this bad? |
| 07:15.06 | Miesco | How do I find out whats using all my ram? |
| 07:15.51 | phorce1 | gnarface: I was resizing a prepared image to fill a 16G SD card I think. |
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| 07:16.59 | gnarface | KeatonT: just ask the question in the form of "i tried X and expect Y but got Z" or "how do i do X" ? |
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| 07:17.07 | phorce1 | Miesco: run 'top' and see what's using it. It may not be bad. If you're not also using a huge amount of swap it's OK |
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| 07:18.31 | Miesco | is ram still cheap? |
| 07:18.46 | gnarface | new fast ram is pretty cheap |
| 07:18.59 | gnarface | older ram for ddr2 and earlier though has spiked dramatically in price |
| 07:19.22 | gnarface | pre-ddr ram is worth its weight in gold |
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| 07:19.40 | gnarface | expect to pay 1996 prices to update anything running below 400mhz |
| 07:19.41 | pmo | i normally get those for free |
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| 07:20.01 | phorce1 | Miesco: depends on the type. DDR3 is now pretty cheap. DDR2 more expensive. DDR even more expensive. Supply and demand. Newer machines don't use the older types so the price goes up |
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| 07:21.06 | pmo | for me i get most older for free, but sometimes i pay a little bit for ddr2, and money out the wallet for ddr3 |
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| 07:23.01 | phorce1 | remembers buying a (used) car in the early 90's by selling a stack of 30pin 1Meg modules that he salvaged during a mass upgrade at a large company. |
| 07:23.14 | pmo | maybe i should sell the ddr2 |
| 07:23.37 | pmo | since so many say that 2gb ddr2 is worth more than new 8gb ddr3 |
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| 07:23.50 | pmo | i think they are tripping tho |
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| 07:25.10 | gnarface | pmo: depending on regional availability and sale prices that seems totally feasible to me actually. |
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| 07:25.35 | pmo | i guess its just not like that in eu yet |
| 07:26.16 | pmo | also most cheap laptops and netbooks come with ddr2 |
| 07:26.21 | phorce1 | pmo: price on used hasn't gone up as high but that's close |
| 07:26.34 | pmo | for me free mostly |
| 07:26.43 | gnarface | i can't find good ddr2 boards anywhere anymore |
| 07:26.49 | pmo | maybe 5 euro for ddr2 from a shop |
| 07:27.04 | gnarface | shit i should have you ship me some |
| 07:27.26 | pmo | i have half a bag |
| 07:27.28 | phorce1 | here locally "value brands" DDR2-667-2GB - USD $25 ----------> DDR3-1333-8GB - USD $40 |
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| 07:27.48 | gnarface | fascinating |
| 07:27.48 | phorce1 | (new) |
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| 07:28.50 | pmo | phorce1, that means ddr2 have dropped in price ;9 |
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| 07:32.08 | phorce1 | gnarface: now that I've already umounted those devices I discover ... wait for it ... 'losetp' (for managing loop devices) |
| 07:32.15 | phorce1 | facepalms |
| 07:32.55 | gnarface | losetup you mean? |
| 07:33.08 | gnarface | never seen this before... |
| 07:33.11 | gnarface | interesting |
| 07:33.30 | gnarface | i guess i never did anything really fancy with the loopback device |
| 07:34.09 | phorce1 | gnarface: yeah, losetup. With switches like "-a" to list all attached devices. heh |
| 07:35.08 | phorce1 | I still have something funky going on though. loop0 and loop1 are still listed in /dev/disk/by-uuid but losetup says they are gone |
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| 07:36.11 | phorce1 | I may have to break down and reboot. This all started tonight because I have a eSATA port that doesn't want to mount any new devices. I was cleaning up so I could figure out which bus it's on to try to reset it. |
| 07:37.20 | phorce1 | 232 days uptime down the toilet. |
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| 07:39.23 | phorce1 | OK, attempting to mount them again made them go away. |
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| 08:02.25 | swi | Hello. I have kvm and pair of guests set to start on boot. If i restart libvirt-bin they are started, but if i restart libvirt-guests, it's complain that there is no guests marked to be autostarted? Did i miss something ? |
| 08:03.19 | Shadur | Huh. aptitude dist-upgrade can't quite handle resolving squeeze->wheezy dependency conflicts, but apt-get -uf dist-upgrade doesn't even blink. |
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| 08:05.44 | zykotick9 | Shadur: did you read the squeeze->wheezy factoid? apt-get is strongly recommended, actually i believe aptitude is even discouraged for this use. |
| 08:06.31 | Shadur | nods. |
| 08:07.01 | Shadur | I'm doing this on a test server because I want to be prepared when wheezy releases. |
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| 08:37.40 | bencc | what do I need to download to install debian desktop? |
| 08:37.50 | bencc | here I see ~50 different CDs http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.6/i386/bt-cd/ |
| 08:38.05 | bencc | do I need all of them? |
| 08:38.23 | Sm0ke0ut | doesn't really matter. all ISO's are able to install the desktop version (just make sure you've a connection available) |
| 08:38.36 | Sm0ke0ut | and ofc. use the first disc |
| 08:38.43 | pmo | i just use netinstall |
| 08:38.53 | Sm0ke0ut | I personally would suggest to use netinstall indeed |
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| 08:38.55 | pmo | you can also tell that one to install the desktop |
| 08:39.07 | bencc | ok, I'll use the netinstall |
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| 08:49.37 | bool | is this sentence gramatically correct? "Ensure all terminals that you have run this script from have been closed" |
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| 08:50.47 | ZeroBeholder | Anybody have any experience with the wkhtmltopdf package? |
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| 08:51.51 | ZeroBeholder | It turns web content into pdf pages. |
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| 08:53.40 | ZeroBeholder | Sort of. I can get it to work on command line. But scripted via PHP both through Apache and command-line are giving me trouble. |
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| 08:54.06 | ZeroBeholder | Works as the www-data user regular shell... |
| 08:55.28 | ZeroBeholder | Stuff that same command in various renditions of the PHP exec() functions and kablam. PHP.ini has been edited. The apache process has been restarted. |
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| 08:56.41 | McClane | hi, if i install mingw32 should i see mingw32 when i type wx-config --list? |
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| 08:57.50 | ZeroBeholder | bencc: one more for net install, careful though I always use the expert install because I feel like I am getting railroaded most of the time with the standard install from the first screen. |
| 08:58.16 | ZeroBeholder | I wind up with Gnome, specifically is the issue I have. |
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| 09:04.41 | ZeroBeholder | Shadur: Same here. RE Wheezy http://www.hastebin.com/yahunajiyi.php -- fair warning, wall-o-text |
| 09:05.36 | ZeroBeholder | make sure that the kernel is upgraded on squeeze, update the sources to the wheezy repos, apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 09:06.41 | ZeroBeholder | Shadur: make sure that the kernel is upgraded on squeeze, update the sources to the wheezy repos, apt-get dist-upgrade |
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| 09:28.02 | buscon | hi |
| 09:28.09 | buscon | I have a problem with gnome |
| 09:28.25 | buscon | when I start the desktop, it keeps starting nautilus windows |
| 09:28.40 | buscon | like if I was pressing a shortcut for doing that |
| 09:28.44 | buscon | but I'm not |
| 09:28.56 | buscon | I've already checked and deleted the possible shortcut |
| 09:29.02 | buscon | how can I stop it? :) |
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| 09:30.28 | koshie | buscon: hey |
| 09:30.35 | koshie | First: what is your Debian release ? |
| 09:30.43 | buscon | squeeze |
| 09:30.50 | koshie | Ok so using GNOME 2.* right ? |
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| 09:31.14 | buscon | yes |
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| 09:32.09 | koshie | buscon: so when GNOME start Nautilus is open from "nowhere" ? |
| 09:32.35 | buscon | exactly |
| 09:32.48 | koshie | Have you recently edited your start application ? |
| 09:32.53 | koshie | (sorry for my bad english) |
| 09:33.04 | McClane | buscon, maybe you save it as startup application |
| 09:33.17 | koshie | McClane: thanks for the "startup application" :) |
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| 09:33.33 | McClane | lol no problem koshie |
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| 09:33.51 | koshie | McClane: it's just frustrating when your forget a little thing like that p: |
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| 09:34.04 | buscon | koshie, McClane, where you can save it as a startup application? |
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| 09:34.15 | McClane | buscon, in startup applications dialog, there's a button to save current running applications, maybe you hit it by mistake |
| 09:34.19 | koshie | buscon: if I remember correctly into settings |
| 09:34.24 | koshie | look for "Startup Application" |
| 09:34.42 | koshie | and you've a list of what application is starting at boot of GNOME, you can add, edit or remove |
| 09:34.48 | koshie | try to find something about nautilus |
| 09:34.56 | buscon | ok, i've found it |
| 09:34.58 | koshie | and check empty title, maybe you've make a mistake |
| 09:35.02 | buscon | there was smt called files |
| 09:35.07 | koshie | smt ? |
| 09:35.09 | buscon | I actually didn't touch it |
| 09:35.16 | buscon | but now it's not there ;) |
| 09:35.20 | buscon | smt = something |
| 09:35.21 | buscon | :) |
| 09:35.24 | koshie | ok |
| 09:35.29 | koshie | So nohting into ? |
| 09:35.35 | koshie | I've you edited your cron recently ? |
| 09:35.40 | koshie | Have you* |
| 09:35.44 | buscon | no |
| 09:35.49 | buscon | but in startup application |
| 09:35.49 | koshie | weird |
| 09:35.51 | koshie | ? |
| 09:35.53 | buscon | there was something called |
| 09:36.14 | buscon | Files: Acces and organize files => that's nautilus, isn't it? |
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| 09:36.22 | koshie | buscon: what is the command ? |
| 09:36.29 | koshie | (we don't care about name, in fact) |
| 09:36.29 | McClane | i don't know buscon |
| 09:36.38 | koshie | (name doesn't define what application'll be runned) |
| 09:36.54 | buscon | yes, true |
| 09:36.54 | McClane | i need help with mingw32 |
| 09:36.57 | buscon | the command was |
| 09:36.59 | buscon | nautilus -n |
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| 09:37.01 | koshie | McClane: what is your problem ? |
| 09:37.06 | McClane | that's it buscon |
| 09:37.17 | buscon | yes, i put it awys |
| 09:37.21 | koshie | buscon: disable it, or break the command (nautiilus -n for example) |
| 09:37.22 | buscon | *away |
| 09:37.28 | koshie | or remove it (: |
| 09:37.30 | buscon | and killall nautilus sometimes |
| 09:37.31 | koshie | (but be sure) |
| 09:37.34 | McClane | well koshie i've installed mingw32 but doesn't appear at wx-config --list |
| 09:37.35 | buscon | now it looks good ;) |
| 09:37.37 | koshie | buscon: not a good idea |
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| 09:37.52 | buscon | koshie, I know, but it was the only way to stop it |
| 09:37.56 | koshie | McClane: can't help you, sorry :x |
| 09:38.02 | McClane | ok |
| 09:38.06 | koshie | buscon: so many windows ? |
| 09:38.15 | buscon | koshie, not anymore :) |
| 09:38.24 | koshie | so they was a lot of them ? :p |
| 09:38.27 | koshie | KILL IT WITH FIRE |
| 09:38.29 | koshie | (sorry) |
| 09:38.35 | buscon | yes, really a lot! |
| 09:38.36 | McClane | lol |
| 09:38.37 | buscon | fire? |
| 09:38.40 | koshie | Yeah, fire |
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| 09:38.45 | buscon | what's fire? |
| 09:38.53 | McClane | gives a lighter to buscon |
| 09:38.56 | koshie | McClane: ^^ |
| 09:39.01 | koshie | buscon: a dangerous stuff |
| 09:39.01 | McClane | :D |
| 09:39.06 | koshie | but useful for smoker like me :> |
| 09:39.08 | buscon | lol |
| 09:39.18 | koshie | or for crazy peoples. |
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| 09:39.23 | buscon | eheh |
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| 09:45.01 | McClane | buscon |
| 09:45.13 | McClane | did you try reboot? |
| 09:45.20 | koshie | Reboot is for weak |
| 09:45.26 | koshie | is so serious |
| 09:45.31 | McClane | lol |
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| 09:45.42 | McClane | log out is enough |
| 09:46.35 | koshie | McClane: mostly |
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| 09:46.58 | McClane | i mean with the problem of buscon |
| 09:47.04 | koshie | McClane: yeah |
| 09:47.12 | McClane | :) |
| 09:47.14 | buscon | McClane, not yet, now i have to work a bit |
| 09:47.18 | buscon | i'll try later |
| 09:47.20 | koshie | Sorry if I say strange things sometime, in my own language I'm odd so... |
| 09:47.22 | buscon | and see what happen :) |
| 09:47.27 | koshie | buscon: prepare the fire e_e |
| 09:47.32 | koshie | and if you see windows |
| 09:47.34 | koshie | BURN THEM |
| 09:47.35 | McClane | lol |
| 09:47.37 | buscon | eheheh |
| 09:47.51 | McClane | no problem koshie where are you from? |
| 09:47.59 | buscon | I need a Flamethrower |
| 09:48.24 | koshie | McClane: France, living near to Paris (~1h in train) and i'm currently working into |
| 09:48.40 | koshie | buscon: some gasol and a lighter looks good |
| 09:48.40 | McClane | i see |
| 09:48.47 | koshie | McClane: and you ? |
| 09:48.51 | themill | points towards #debian-offtopic |
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| 09:48.57 | koshie | themill: not wrong |
| 09:49.02 | McClane | nice to meet you koshie and buscon it's not easy find french people on the irc :S |
| 09:49.10 | McClane | argentina koshie |
| 09:49.25 | McClane | i'd like to meet french gals :D |
| 09:49.30 | buscon | McClane, i'm actually form italy :) |
| 09:49.32 | koshie | McClane: gals ? Girls ? ^^ |
| 09:49.36 | koshie | (come on offtopic peoples) |
| 09:49.37 | McClane | yes |
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| 10:00.34 | mmnicolas | hi, I'm experiencing a bug with clementine, probably a bug against qt but I can't find it reported or I'm not using correct keywords, anyone else experiencing this: http://imgur.com/a/bvsja |
| 10:01.42 | mmnicolas | fig.2 is with my cursor hovering the slider |
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| 10:30.58 | offmyface | Hi GoodHand! |
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| 10:31.28 | offmyface | Hello! |
| 10:31.33 | offmyface | Hi! |
| 10:31.33 | GoodHand | Hi offmyface |
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| 10:31.49 | offmyface | GoodHand who are you? |
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| 10:32.00 | drAvanti | hello sirs. |
| 10:32.12 | offmyface | Hi |
| 10:32.14 | drAvanti | could someone please advise me on getting remote access to my server |
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| 10:32.20 | babilen | offmyface: Good morning, can we help you? |
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| 10:32.34 | offmyface | Mhm i dont know! |
| 10:32.38 | fosstux | Hi! I've got a question: What would you recommend as a local chat server? It should only be internally on the lan |
| 10:32.40 | drAvanti | ive used vnc and teamviewer but, it still leaves the desktop open on the user end |
| 10:32.41 | GoodHand | Hi! |
| 10:32.43 | GoodHand | Http://forum.slitaz.org/topic/problems-with-tightvnc#post-9540 |
| 10:33.18 | babilen | offmyface: Well, this is a Debian support and not a chat channel. Hence my question. |
| 10:33.32 | ChrisH | fosstux: jabber or irc |
| 10:33.37 | offmyface | ok babilen |
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| 10:33.50 | offmyface | How can i reinstall kernel? |
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| 10:33.52 | babilen | fosstux: Chats between groups or between single people? |
| 10:33.58 | GoodHand | To my server? It should only be internally on the lan |
| 10:34.10 | fosstux | ChrisH I'd use Jabber |
| 10:34.17 | fosstux | single people |
| 10:34.24 | offmyface | :-D |
| 10:34.28 | babilen | offmyface: Why would you want to do that? Which kernel package do you have installed? (aptitude search ~n^linux-image) |
| 10:35.04 | offmyface | Mhm becous i have demolish my debian |
| 10:35.14 | offmyface | Maybe i install ubuntu |
| 10:35.20 | babilen | fosstux: Jabber sounds like a good idea. We've used ejabberd some time (many years) ago and it worked fine. No idea if it is still a good choice. |
| 10:35.27 | shomon | drAvanti: you could use ssh? |
| 10:35.47 | fosstux | I'm torn between ejabberd and openfire |
| 10:35.50 | babilen | offmyface: Please be a bit more specific about "demolish" - What is not working? |
| 10:35.53 | shomon | does anyone know where might be a good place to get help with setting up a webservice with wsdl? |
| 10:35.54 | offmyface | GoodHand Who is better debian or ubuntu? |
| 10:36.02 | GoodHand | What is not working? |
| 10:36.04 | ChrisH | fosstux,babilen IIRC jabber protocoll offers the history for the clients |
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| 10:36.18 | drAvanti | @shomon: yes, I have ssh access already setup, but I have some apps that have GUI that for ex, I need to start them |
| 10:36.19 | babilen | dpkg: tell offmyface -about why debian |
| 10:36.38 | babilen | removes the @ from drAvanti's messages (no, this is not twatter) ;) |
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| 10:36.56 | bartzy | Hey |
| 10:36.57 | offmyface | Twatter? |
| 10:37.00 | offmyface | Twitter! |
| 10:37.01 | ChrisH | drAvanti: this is not twitter. Without the @ the irc clients can detect the own NICK, with @ they can't |
| 10:37.01 | shomon | drAvanti: I remember in days of lore, getting X11 to run from other computers than the one serving it |
| 10:37.06 | bartzy | Why there's a security repo and a separate 'main' repo ? What's the difference ? |
| 10:37.13 | GoodHand | Vnc and teamviewer but, it still leaves the desktop open on |
| 10:37.40 | fosstux | I'll give openfire a try |
| 10:37.48 | GoodHand | Support and not a chat channel |
| 10:38.07 | Rienzilla | well if the local machine is running an X server, ssh -X will forward x apps over the ssh session |
| 10:38.11 | offmyface | ok ok |
| 10:38.11 | babilen | dpkg: tell bartzy -about security |
| 10:38.15 | GoodHand | Well, this is not twitter |
| 10:38.22 | themill | bartzy: historically, they were managed by different teams and had different software running them |
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| 10:38.29 | GoodHand | Vnc and teamviewer but, it still leaves the desktop open on |
| 10:39.13 | offmyface | GoodHand why ubuntu is so great? |
| 10:39.19 | babilen | GoodHand: You seem to repeat incomplete sentences. |
| 10:39.21 | offmyface | whats your opinion |
| 10:39.25 | GoodHand | Got a question: What would you recommend as a local chat server? It should only be internally on the lan |
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| 10:39.29 | themill | offmyface: you'd have to ask in #ubuntu |
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| 10:39.37 | GoodHand | Access to my server |
| 10:39.37 | drAvanti | Chris: thanks, for the info |
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| 10:40.06 | drAvanti | Shomon: do you mean I can have X11 installed on a remote PC and access my server from it? |
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| 10:40.27 | babilen | offmyface: Please take it elsewhere (#ubuntu for example). You are asking in #debian and you shouldn't be surprised if we recommend it in here. |
| 10:40.37 | bartzy | themill: And now, there is no difference ? |
| 10:40.37 | shomon | yeah.. bit slow depending on where you are though |
| 10:40.39 | shomon | but it can be done |
| 10:40.46 | drAvanti | GoodHand: I mean if I have a monitor connected to the server, someone sitting in front of it can see what is being done remotely |
| 10:40.57 | shomon | all to do with environment settings and display ports IIRC |
| 10:40.59 | bartzy | babilen, themill : I can remove the security repo and just use the main repo, and I will still get the security updates |
| 10:41.06 | babilen | bartzy: no |
| 10:41.11 | themill | bartzy: I think most people would probably rather that security updates were separated out so that everyone can see that they are security updates. |
| 10:41.16 | shomon | ah no with the x11 thing you see a new env... |
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| 10:41.36 | themill | bartzy: you'd get them eventually but not for 2 to 4 months after everyone else (at a point release) |
| 10:41.42 | dgriffi | can someone refresh me on the exact procedure to get the Gnome/MATE bluetooth applet to accept an incoming file? |
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| 10:42.25 | drAvanti | shomon: what im looking for is to access my server just as the way remote-desktop works in windows. In windows, a remote session closes the session of the local user |
| 10:42.36 | dgriffi | oh duh... it doesn't do that |
| 10:42.48 | bartzy | themill: Why 2 to 4 months after ? |
| 10:42.59 | themill | dpkg: tell bartzy about point release |
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| 10:45.02 | jelly | mmnicolas: I don't see anything weird about the hover thingy, what's the problem? |
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| 10:45.18 | mmnicolas | jelly: the filling |
| 10:45.25 | Zeeflo | jelly, do you know how I install the multimedia key? |
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| 10:45.49 | jelly | Zeeflo: what multimedia key? |
| 10:46.05 | Zeeflo | i added deb http://mirror.hro.nl/deb-multimedia/ unstable main |
| 10:46.05 | Zeeflo | to my sources |
| 10:46.09 | jelly | mmnicolas: it's blue. What about it? |
| 10:46.17 | Zeeflo | but I cant update cause the key is not verified |
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| 10:46.56 | Zeeflo | i cant remember how i verified the key on my other server |
| 10:46.57 | mmnicolas | jelly: its not following the slider |
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| 10:49.26 | jelly | mmnicolas: it shows the offset where your cursor is, it's not supposed to follow the slider unless you click and drag it |
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| 10:50.49 | bartzy | themill: So there are no non-grave bug fixes in stable / |
| 10:50.50 | bartzy | ? |
| 10:50.57 | bartzy | themill: Or very important feature updates ? |
| 10:51.13 | babilen | dpkg: tell bartzy -about stable |
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| 10:51.28 | babilen | bartzy: And in short: Yeah, that is correct |
| 10:51.33 | bartzy | for example, some-package 1.1 has x1000 less performance than some-package 1.2 - Stable won't be updated to 1.2 ? |
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| 10:52.15 | babilen | bartzy: It depends on the classification of the package, but yeah. New versions are available through backports (/msg dpkg backports) that you can also create yourself if there is none (/msg dpkg ssb) |
| 10:52.25 | babilen | classification of the bug that is |
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| 10:52.51 | mmnicolas | jelly: no.. found out it's an issue with qtcurve, works fine with clearlooks or other themes |
| 10:54.29 | babilen | bartzy: stable in the context of Debian means "not changing" and just that (which includes bug as well). |
| 10:54.43 | themill | mmnicolas: qtcurve does tend to be like that |
| 10:56.16 | jelly | my slider doesn't even have any filling http://i.imgur.com/RYLnNmV.png |
| 10:57.53 | dgriffi | can someone help me with bluetooth? I'm trying to get a phone to send a file to the computer, but it keeps failing with "unable to connect". |
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| 10:58.10 | dgriffi | I can pair up with the phone just fine and browse it |
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| 10:58.26 | mmnicolas | jelly: In the early 90s I remember having no fillings too :P |
| 10:58.56 | jelly | it was a sad time for doughnuts |
| 10:59.22 | mmnicolas | themill: honestly the only issue I've encountered so far, and Imma live with it, nothing looks better |
| 10:59.42 | mmnicolas | jelly: What I meant is your theme looks from the 90s |
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| 11:08.50 | nighthawknz | anyone know how to chroot ulogd |
| 11:10.03 | bartzy | babilen: And do you know if the context of ubuntu is the same ? |
| 11:11.00 | nucc1 | hi guys, after installing phpmyadmin and mysql server, i can't login to phpmyadmin |
| 11:11.10 | nucc1 | it takes the login data but returns nothing |
| 11:11.13 | nucc1 | no error message |
| 11:11.16 | nucc1 | am i missing something? |
| 11:11.26 | babilen | bartzy: Ubuntu is quite different, but you should ask in #ubuntu about that. Is there anything problematic about Debian's approach for you? |
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| 11:16.30 | ChrisH | dgriffi: Do you want to receive files using a DE like KDE or Gnome? |
| 11:17.27 | dgriffi | ChrisH: I'm using Mate |
| 11:17.43 | bartzy | babilen, themill, For example - tzdata was updated in my squeeze machine right now |
| 11:17.51 | bartzy | And I see the urgency is low, and the reason is "New upstream release" |
| 11:18.13 | bartzy | This is certainly not a grave bug fix, or a security fix - so why was this new version introduced ? |
| 11:18.39 | koollman | bartzy: because some laws changed a timezone information, most probably |
| 11:18.48 | Trewas | bartzy: tzdata is a bit different, because it mainly updates because of DST changes in some region |
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| 11:20.43 | ChrisH | dgriffi: aptitude search mate shows nothing usefull. So what is mate and how is it expected to receive files via BT? |
| 11:20.57 | babilen | bartzy: If you think about what tzdata does you migh realise why it is important to keep it, quite literally, up to date. |
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| 11:21.17 | dgriffi | ChrisH: if you replied, I missed it |
| 11:21.18 | jelly | mmnicolas: oh? I don't see any significany difference! |
| 11:21.19 | x42 | what happens if i fill up /tmp ? |
| 11:21.20 | babilen | bartzy: I reckon that you have squeeze-updates enabled though, but if you want we can check where tzdata was uploaded. |
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| 11:21.33 | x42 | does /tem autodeletes its contentร |
| 11:21.35 | x42 | ? |
| 11:21.36 | bartzy | babilen: Yes I have squeeze-updates - what is that ? |
| 11:22.05 | babilen | dpkg: tell bartzy -about squeeze-updates |
| 11:22.06 | bartzy | babilen: By the way, it's not that I don't trust the Debian cycle, I just want to understand better why some packages get only security fixes and some gets new upsteram releases... |
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| 11:22.41 | ChrisH | dgriffi: aptitude search mate shows nothing usefull. So what is mate and how is it expected to receive files via BT? |
| 11:22.42 | babilen | bartzy: tzdata is not of much use if it isn't up-to-date. Which version do you have now? |
| 11:22.48 | babilen | judd: v tzdata |
| 11:22.49 | judd | Package: tzdata on i386 -- lenny: 2011k-0lenny1; lenny-volatile: 2011n-0lenny1; squeeze-updates: 2011n-0squeeze1; squeeze: 2012c-0squeeze1; squeeze-proposed-updates: 2012g-0squeeze1; squeeze-updates: 2012g-0squeeze1; sid: 2012j-1; wheezy: 2012j-1 |
| 11:23.53 | babilen | bartzy: "dpkg -l tzdata|tail -n1" |
| 11:24.20 | bartzy | 2012g-0squeeze1 |
| 11:24.57 | Zeeflo | -bash: updatedb: command not found |
| 11:24.59 | Zeeflo | whha? |
| 11:25.01 | babilen | bartzy: That is the version in squeeze-proposed-updates and one that will be included in the next point release. |
| 11:25.18 | bartzy | OK |
| 11:25.20 | Zeeflo | got it |
| 11:25.35 | bartzy | so that means if I wouldn't have squeeze updates - I will only get this if I have the main repo ? |
| 11:25.45 | bartzy | And if I even don't have the main repo, but only the security repo - I will not get it ever ? |
| 11:25.54 | themill | Zeeflo: do you have the mlocate package installed? |
| 11:26.02 | themill | dpkg: tell bartzy about make squeeze sources.list |
| 11:26.08 | dgriffi | ChrisH: Mate is a fork of Gnome2 |
| 11:26.12 | themill | bartzy: you should have all three repos; they serve different purposes. |
| 11:26.21 | babilen | And all are important |
| 11:26.49 | babilen | bartzy: You do understand why it is important to keep tzdata up-to-date though, don't you? |
| 11:27.15 | bartzy | babilen: Not completely. |
| 11:27.17 | ChrisH | dgriffi: As BT file reception is pretty much part of the DE thesedays. I recommend to ask the mate developers. You need some daemon to get the file. |
| 11:27.24 | bartzy | babilen: Why I can't only live with 'security' ? |
| 11:27.37 | bartzy | (I ask theoretically, I'm not going to do that) |
| 11:27.47 | babilen | bartzy: tzdata contains timezone definitions. They change, but current timezone definitions are important for /every/ computer to set the right time. |
| 11:27.54 | themill | bartzy: if your time and date are incorrect for your timezone because your local govt changed the time zone definitions, you'd be pretty interested in having the update. |
| 11:27.56 | nighthawknz | anyone got ulogd chrooted |
| 11:28.19 | Zeeflo | themill, i installed locate |
| 11:28.26 | Zeeflo | updatedb works now :) |
| 11:28.35 | babilen | bartzy: If you only have security you wouldn't be able to install /any/ package that is not in security. |
| 11:28.38 | babilen | (for example) |
| 11:29.25 | babilen | Zeeflo: You really want mlocate |
| 11:29.40 | Zeeflo | why? |
| 11:29.57 | babilen | Zeeflo: Read "apt-cache show mlocate" it discusses the differences quite nicely |
| 11:30.04 | babilen | dpkg: tell Zeeflo -about mlocate |
| 11:30.25 | Zeeflo | Ahh |
| 11:30.26 | Zeeflo | smart |
| 11:30.42 | babilen | (also the reason why themill mentioned mlocate and not locate) |
| 11:30.45 | dgriffi | ChrisH: let's just proceed with the notion that I'm using Gnome2 |
| 11:31.00 | Zeeflo | yea |
| 11:31.07 | Zeeflo | i didnt know there was a mlocate |
| 11:31.14 | Zeeflo | ive always just used locate |
| 11:31.30 | babilen | dgriffi: We neither support nor endorse MATE. You want #mate on this server |
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| 11:32.57 | buscon | hi, I want to sync some files on a remote server, I have just ftp access |
| 11:33.04 | buscon | what's a good way to do that? |
| 11:33.32 | babilen | .o( Not using FTP ) |
| 11:33.36 | buscon | lol |
| 11:33.44 | Zeeflo | mount the ftp drive with curlftps locally |
| 11:33.45 | buscon | babilen, i now, rsync would be way better ;) |
| 11:33.53 | buscon | Zeeflo, uh, ok |
| 11:33.54 | Zeeflo | and then rsync to the mounted ftp |
| 11:33.57 | babilen | buscon: I would use something like rsync or unison. But you'd need SSH access for that. |
| 11:33.58 | themill | Zeeflo: the command you can use is still "locate" it's just that you're getting it from the mlocate package (and the installer would install this for you automatically) |
| 11:33.59 | Zeeflo | or copy |
| 11:34.01 | Zeeflo | or what ever |
| 11:34.04 | koollman | Zeeflo: that seems quite inefficient |
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| 11:34.13 | koollman | buscon: lftp has a 'mirror' command. use it |
| 11:34.19 | Zeeflo | oh yea |
| 11:34.22 | Zeeflo | use lftp |
| 11:34.26 | koollman | (there are also many tools to do ftp mirroring) |
| 11:34.27 | Zeeflo | or, mount it |
| 11:34.29 | shomon | can I encrypt my drive or some part of it, and does it actually make sense? |
| 11:34.33 | buscon | Zeeflo, koollman, thx, i'll look into it |
| 11:35.02 | shomon | or if someone can access my computer, they can get to the drive anyway I guess |
| 11:35.12 | koollman | shomon: you can. know, wether it makes sense or not depends on why you want to do it |
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| 11:35.37 | shomon | thinking of border police and inspecting people's hard drives.. and of losing it and therefore also important data lost or stolen |
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| 11:36.00 | shomon | and more as a policy for users than for myself, although I'll try it out myself before recommending |
| 11:36.23 | babilen | dpkg: tell shomon -about luks |
| 11:36.24 | koollman | shomon: that's a good case for disk encryption, yes |
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| 11:37.03 | shomon | thanks babilen and koollman |
| 11:37.36 | babilen | shomon: dm-crypt/luks is well supported on Debian and quite painless to use. It might make sense to use it, but it won't protect you from http://xkcd.com/538/ (or legislation that makes it illegal to /not/ provide a password). Good for lost harddrives though. |
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| 11:38.14 | shomon | unfortunately, also here in spain, torture is cheap |
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| 11:38.43 | shomon | there is a more hidden way by doing 2 passes somehow, but I can't figure it out.. so I doubt regular users will |
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| 11:41.53 | ChrisH | dgriffi: For gnome, do you have gnome-bluetooth installed? |
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| 11:49.26 | frostschutz | shomon: I have a luks container in initramfs which contains key files for luks containers on hdd. the initramfs and /boot is a keychain size usb stick. more specifically, a microsdhc reader. break the card and you don't have a password to reveal anymore as the keyfiles are lost |
| 11:50.12 | frostschutz | shomon: but my motivation was more along the lines of having /boot in my pocket so no one can modify it while I'm away, losing the stick doesn't mean losing the keyfiles, and keylogger by itself doesn't work either... |
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| 12:01.19 | shomon | sounds great frostschutz |
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| 12:01.40 | shomon | yet another is to have it all in a usb.. and encrypt just that |
| 12:01.47 | shomon | they go into the laptop and see my mini pony |
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| 12:02.02 | shomon | and if in doubt, eat the usb! |
| 12:02.10 | Zeeflo | would it be possible to add 2 usb drives and raid them with mdadm? |
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| 12:02.27 | jawr_ | hey, how come the debian rescue cd doesn't have dpkg? :( |
| 12:02.46 | frostschutz | Zeeflo: possible, yes. rather pointless, too |
| 12:02.54 | themill | jawr_: which "debian rescue cd" is this? |
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| 12:03.00 | Zeeflo | maybe to you ;) |
| 12:03.10 | jawr_ | erm |
| 12:03.44 | jawr_ | i think it's actually the installer that they inserted, i'm using it's rescue cd feature in advanced features |
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| 12:04.17 | themill | jawr_: rescue mode in the installer just chroots you into your existing installation |
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| 12:04.30 | jawr_ | there is one that uses the installer's shell |
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| 12:04.43 | themill | !rescue mode |
| 12:04.43 | dpkg | Debian-Installer has a recovery ('rescue') mode, which can be used to reinstall the GRUB or LILO boot loaders. See section 8.7 of the Installation Guide ("Recovering a Broken System") for more details; ask me about <install guide>. |
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| 12:04.57 | jawr_ | ok |
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| 12:05.32 | themill | jawr_: what are you trying to fix here? |
| 12:05.54 | jawr_ | i have a system where lib64's content has been deleted |
| 12:05.58 | jawr_ | was going to try and recover it |
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| 12:07.24 | themill | oops |
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| 12:08.38 | osfd | Is it possible to do low level format at install time, please ? |
| 12:09.08 | jawr_ | themill: can you recommend a more featureful debian rescue cd? |
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| 12:10.56 | wols | osfd: you cannot low level format anything anymore. couldn't be done for a decade now |
| 12:11.04 | wols | osfd: what exactly do you want to do and why? |
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| 12:12.15 | osfd | wols make sure the content of my hdd WILL never be retrieved, I want deep, safe format |
| 12:12.28 | themill | jawr_: does dpkg in your system not work? Can you pastebin the output of "ldd /usr/bin/dpkg" for me? |
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| 12:12.56 | jawr_ | i cna't chroot into the target system, just realised they put a 32bit installer in |
| 12:12.59 | wols | osfd: dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sda bs=1M wait until that's finished and you are done |
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| 12:13.26 | jawr_ | also.. ldd doesn't exist on the installer shell |
| 12:13.26 | jawr_ | wow |
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| 12:13.55 | jawr_ | when i still had shell in the system, no binaries worked |
| 12:13.58 | themill | jawr_: ahh. Fun. The debian live rescue cd (or even the debian live standard cd) or a grml cd might make a better choice for you in fixing this |
| 12:14.21 | jawr_ | always "binary not found", so couldn't use anything other than dash's built in commands |
| 12:15.21 | jawr_ | themill: something like:debian-live-6.0.6-amd64-rescue.iso ? |
| 12:15.55 | osfd | wols: yes, I found something similar on the internet dd if=/dev/urandom of... |
| 12:15.56 | themill | yeah, that has a pile of disk rescue stuff on it as well that you don't need |
| 12:16.22 | jawr_ | righto, thanks for the pointers |
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| 12:18.05 | osfd | wols: what is the bs for ? |
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| 12:20.22 | themill | osfd: block size -- makes it much faster |
| 12:20.52 | osfd | themill: thank you... |
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| 12:28.02 | wols | osamu: block size |
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| 12:56.17 | deitarion | How do I get dpkg-reconfigure for exim4 to re-ask what e-mail root/postmaster mail should be forwarded to? |
| 12:56.22 | GoodHand | Tend to be like that |
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| 13:01.20 | babilen | deitarion: reconfigure exim4-config |
| 13:01.40 | deitarion | babilen: Tried that. It asked every question EXCEPT where root mail should go. |
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| 13:03.30 | babilen | deitarion: Not sure what configures this, but you can edit /etc/aliases |
| 13:03.35 | GoodHand | Why was this new version introduced? |
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| 13:04.31 | babilen | GoodHand: Behave please - What are you talking about? |
| 13:04.34 | GoodHand | #ubuntu about that |
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| 13:33.43 | jelly | !qotd0 |
| 13:33.43 | dpkg | <extor> I formatted 800GB worth of pr0n, warez, cbtz, isos and VMs by mistake. Any suggestions as to how to recover? I tried diskinternals linux recovery and R-Linux but they couldn't find the old stuff :( |
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| 13:36.51 | Zeeflo | ? |
| 13:37.22 | Zeeflo | Heheh |
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| 13:37.30 | Zeeflo | !qotd1 |
| 13:37.31 | dpkg | <Guerin> heh, I have a wife who, when not doing it herself, makes me do it |
| 13:37.44 | Zeeflo | !qotd2 |
| 13:37.44 | dpkg | <mrvn> Broadcast message from root (Sat Aug 7 05:48:42 2004): <mrvn> The system is going down for system halt NOW! <mrvn> What the fuck is dselect/dpkg doing a reboot for? <trave11er> mrvn: for changes to take effect? ;-) <StevenK> mrvn: You *had* to move the mouse, didn't you? <mrvn> StevenK: damn, yes. I accidentally pushed it. |
| 13:38.18 | Zeeflo | !qotd3 |
| 13:38.18 | dpkg | <toggle> by the way I don't have man installed.. |
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| 13:38.28 | Zeeflo | hehe |
| 13:38.38 | themill | let's not go through them all right now ;) |
| 13:38.49 | Zeeflo | Those are funny :) |
| 13:38.54 | GoodHand | What are you talking about? |
| 13:39.04 | Zeeflo | quotes from users |
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| 13:41.49 | Zeeflo | :D |
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| 13:49.07 | wsky | hello i have this issue... i've booted my debian laptop today.. early after booting it up i've noticed that the wlan0 interface is working.. i've ran iftop because it looked suspicious to me that it works before i've started working on the system.. i thought that it's clamav database update or something but it appeared that it connected to wrzuc.to and downloaded something ... |
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| 13:50.33 | wsky | rkhunter is clean, chkrootkit shows lkm sometimes |
| 13:51.14 | LaginBrain | Hi |
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| 13:51.31 | LaginBrain | Hi MyBigStar |
| 13:51.36 | MyBigStar | LaginBrain: there is no need to install additional software if mail command |
| 13:51.47 | LaginBrain | yeah i know |
| 13:51.54 | MyBigStar | I like trains |
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| 13:55.34 | wsky | themill: maybe you know what should i do? |
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| 13:56.31 | wsky | seems that i'll reinstall the os :-/ |
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| 13:57.14 | ChrisH | wsky: reinstall is a good idea. But it might (little chance) be the update-manager getting the new packages. |
| 13:57.30 | ChrisH | wsky: did you capture the traffic? |
| 13:57.35 | wsky | ChrisH: from a warz-like site? |
| 13:57.48 | wsky | ChrisH: no, just noticed the connections in iftop |
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| 13:58.48 | ChrisH | wsky: I do not know such webaddresses :)... connection is closed? |
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| 14:00.00 | wsky | well now it's closed, but it downloaded something, couple, or over a dozen megabyts |
| 14:00.06 | zW | Hi. Any debian proper awake ? |
| 14:00.09 | wsky | megabytes* |
| 14:00.21 | Zeeflo | no |
| 14:00.24 | Zeeflo | all asleep |
| 14:00.54 | zW | I'm creating some .deb packages. According to dpkg/deb rules it is forbidden to overwrite a file from within a package |
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| 14:01.00 | zW | What is the best way to do it then? |
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| 14:06.26 | adrakoa | hi |
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| 14:08.59 | MaxFrames | hello |
| 14:10.15 | MaxFrames | I would like to set up a netflow data aggregator/analyzer to gather usage data from my cisco firewall; I'm thinking of setting up a debian vm for this task; what tool(s) would you recommend? since I'm not very expert on debian, the simpler the better |
| 14:10.52 | MaxFrames | (i've tried a tool on windows called manageengine netflow analyzer, very straightforward, set it up with a few clicks, but the free version is very limited) |
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| 14:11.13 | MaxFrames | ^ ideally it should not be much more complicated to set up than this ^ |
| 14:11.18 | MaxFrames | thanks |
| 14:11.22 | ChrisH | MaxFrames: the more difficult question is how to collect the data? setting up a Debian VM is not difficult. |
| 14:11.38 | MaxFrames | the vm is already up and running (i'm using it for other tasks) |
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| 14:13.01 | MaxFrames | what do you mean how to collect the data? the cisco fw is set up to send netflow data to any host I specify |
| 14:13.01 | ChrisH | MaxFrames: My first idea would be cacti using SNMP towards the firewall to get the data. |
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| 14:13.49 | blixten | is there a tool in debian that allows me to test the speed between two computers? |
| 14:13.53 | ChrisH | MaxFrames: check http://wiki.debian.org/NetFlow |
| 14:14.00 | blixten | both debian machines |
| 14:14.09 | blixten | i mean internet sped and LAN speed |
| 14:14.28 | blixten | depending on what ip you use |
| 14:14.34 | ChrisH | blixten: yes |
| 14:14.34 | jelly | blixten: iperf |
| 14:14.44 | blixten | ok thanks! |
| 14:15.19 | jelly | also available for windows and most current OSes |
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| 14:16.41 | blixten | jelly: ok thanks :) |
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| 14:19.27 | blixten | does iperf for windows cost money? |
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| 14:20.30 | abrotman | blixten: for Xorg ? |
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| 14:22.34 | blixten | abrotman: no windows |
| 14:22.40 | blixten | but i found a free coppy |
| 14:22.45 | blixten | so dont worry :) |
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| 14:26.27 | jelly | blixten: there's a standalone win32 .exe on the main site... |
| 14:27.33 | jelly | wonders why sourceforge wants him to log in to read the release notes |
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| 14:31.15 | blixten | jelly: yeah got that one :) |
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| 14:31.25 | blixten | thanks for assistance |
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| 14:34.51 | erbo | what make is used for debian/rules? I have some makefile syntax that works well with /usr/bin/make but not in dpkg-buildpackage context |
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| 14:37.47 | somiaj | erbo: you can use dh_make to create a basic debian/ directory that works in some cases, but may not make the best quality of package (but okay for a single user) with out tweaking the output |
| 14:38.25 | somiaj | erbo: dh = debian helper. Also are you trying to make a debian/ dir of a new piece of software or one that is in debian but you need a newer version? |
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| 14:39.15 | themill | erbo: perhaps putting the rules in a pastebin would be handy |
| 14:39.43 | erbo | somiaj: I have all that in place, but need to do some "find" and then move stuff around which works if I call it using fakeroot debian/rules mytarget, but not when run as part of dpkg-buildpackage |
| 14:39.56 | erbo | I'll just stuff it in a bash-script and run that |
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| 14:40.28 | somiaj | erbo: #debian-mentors on irc.oftc.net is sometimes a good place to ask packaging questions as well. |
| 14:40.46 | themill | erbo: that's all dpkg-buildpackage is going to run -- my guess would be that it's running at the wrong time or in the wrong context |
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| 14:42.01 | totem | hi how to get back start screen and smart screen? |
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| 14:45.41 | jelly | tcpdump(1) in wheezy references bpf(4) for bpf syntax. Is bpf(4freebsd) from freebsd-manpages the reference manual page to use or is there a better one? |
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| 14:48.05 | jelly | to be more precise, where do I find docs for tcpdump filter syntax? |
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| 14:51.49 | jelly | I want to ignore STP packets like 15:40:31.840570 04:c5:a4:d5:25:14 > 01:00:0c:cc:cc:cd SNAP Unnumbered, ui, Flags [Command], length 50 |
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| 14:55.07 | ChrisH | jelly: man tcpdump search for expression and find: For the expression syntax, see pcap-filter(7). |
| 14:56.13 | ChrisH | jelly: ist that X.25? |
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| 14:56.39 | sc30317 | hey all, I noticed today that my ethernet card defaults to 100M, but it should be set at GigE |
| 14:56.42 | sc30317 | what is the best way to change this? |
| 14:56.46 | sc30317 | (using debian Wheezy) |
| 14:57.39 | Towzzer | using ethtool, I forgot the exact command |
| 14:58.07 | ChrisH | sc30317: Is the switch capable of Gigabit? Is the cable capable of Gigabit? Autosensing/autoneg with Gigabit works normally very well. |
| 14:58.14 | jhutchins_wk | jelly: wireshark docs might be useful. |
| 14:58.43 | jelly | ChrisH: thanks, I missed pcap-filter(7) completely |
| 14:59.50 | sc30317 | ChrisH: all should be capable of GbE |
| 15:00.30 | ChrisH | sc30317: No force on the Switch side active? checked it? |
| 15:00.53 | sc30317 | ChrisH: good idea! i'll checknow |
| 15:01.57 | abrotman | sc30317: note, could be bad cable also |
| 15:02.11 | sc30317 | abrotman: i'll try that as well;thanks |
| 15:02.16 | ChrisH | sc30317: Till now I never saw issues with Gigabit Ethernet with autoneg/autosense ON on both sides. |
| 15:03.45 | sc30317 | ChrisH: bah |
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| 15:03.57 | sc30317 | looks like my new wireless gateway for uVerse is only 100M |
| 15:03.58 | sc30317 | yuck |
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| 15:04.05 | sc30317 | the tech told me it was GbE |
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| 15:04.35 | sc30317 | its 100BASE-TX Full Duplex |
| 15:04.37 | sc30317 | not the same :\ |
| 15:04.57 | abrotman | huh? |
| 15:05.05 | abrotman | oh .. the wired part ofthe wireless gateway :) |
| 15:05.12 | sc30317 | abrotman: yeah |
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| 15:05.18 | abrotman | isn't uverse ATT ? |
| 15:05.32 | sc30317 | ATT does goofy things - they give you a wireless gateway / modem combo that you have to use |
| 15:05.40 | abrotman | sc30317: but uhm, how many computers do you have behind the firewall? |
| 15:05.46 | abrotman | sc30317: that's crap, you don't *have* to |
| 15:05.51 | sc30317 | abrotman: too many to count |
| 15:05.58 | ChrisH | sc30317: ethtool ethX shows you the advertised modes from your side. |
| 15:06.05 | abrotman | sc30317: ah, so the GbE actually mttters |
| 15:06.24 | sc30317 | abrotman: correct |
| 15:06.25 | abrotman | sc30317: what's the up/down? |
| 15:06.29 | sc30317 | for ATT? |
| 15:06.46 | sc30317 | 12/6 |
| 15:06.53 | sc30317 | (thats all I pay for) |
| 15:07.01 | abrotman | so why not just have a Gb switch that plugs into the uVerse thing ? |
| 15:07.09 | sc30317 | abrotman: thats what i'll probably do |
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| 15:07.28 | ChrisH | sc30317: "wireless gateway" work at what speed? is GBit/s really needed? |
| 15:07.29 | sc30317 | just thought the switch was capable of it |
| 15:07.30 | abrotman | sc30317: also, i doubtt you have to use theirs .. my ISP offers the samething .. but you don't have to use them |
| 15:07.39 | jawr_ | anyone had an issue with a install/live cd where it doesn't do the command? i.e. i click rescue cd and it just refreshes the screen |
| 15:07.43 | jawr_ | same for install |
| 15:07.55 | abrotman | jawr_: #debian-life on irc.oftc.net |
| 15:08.02 | abrotman | uhm .. #debian-live |
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| 15:09.07 | tjiggi_fo | though #debian-life would be cool |
| 15:09.22 | themill | we have no life... don't rub it in |
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| 15:18.29 | oliva | hi there the /var/run/network directory is deleted at every boot, and this prevent network interfaces to come up ... how do I fix this? |
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| 15:21.08 | themill | oliva: /var/run doesn't contain anything that is needed across reboots. What error are you actually seeing? |
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| 15:29.02 | oliva | failed to open statefile /var/run/network/ifstate |
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| 15:32.41 | ChrisH | oliva: what does /etc/debian_version show? |
| 15:32.49 | PaulE | Hi, I'm needing to compile php5 from source and want to do this in a chrooted environment as I cannot install required dependencies on the machine I'm using (they conflict with manually installed packages). Is this something that I can do with pbuilder or is a chroot with debootstrap the way to go? |
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| 15:33.49 | ChrisH | oliva: please also show the output line from dpkg -l ifupdown The version is sufficient. |
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| 15:34.40 | oliva | 7.0 |
| 15:34.57 | oliva | iU ifupdown 0.7.5 amd64 |
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| 15:35.56 | ChrisH | oliva: ups... iU does not look as expected. please paste the output from dpkg -l | egrep -v -e ^ii to paste.debian.net |
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| 15:36.38 | oliva | the installatino of multipath-tools failed |
| 15:36.52 | oliva | that's why I have many packages in iU state |
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| 15:40.11 | ChrisH | oliva: have you tried dpkg --configure -a to get them into configured state? |
| 15:40.35 | oliva | ChrisH: doinit |
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| 15:49.13 | oliva | Thanks ChrisH that fixed |
| 15:49.48 | ChrisH | oliva: fixed the iU and the 'failed to open statefile /var/run/network/ifstate' ? |
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| 15:50.00 | oliva | indeed |
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| 15:51.01 | Pegasus_RPG | Hello. I was trying to get the contents of a deb so did dpkg --unpack then discovered to my dismay that it unpacked things into the target directores, and now apt is horribly confused. I can't install or uninstall the package due to errors so what the hell can I do now? |
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| 15:52.56 | ChrisH | Pegasus_RPG: what does dpkg -l some.deb show ? |
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| 15:53.28 | marvinstuart | Quick one how to you move from root directory to user directory I did SU the the password to get to root now and want to move back |
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| 15:53.47 | Th0rsten | exit |
| 15:53.53 | Pegasus_RPG | ChrisH: no packages found |
| 15:54.17 | themill | Pegasus_RPG: you don't want it installed at all? |
| 15:54.17 | Pegasus_RPG | ChrisH: if I dpkg -l |grep samba, it shows rHR samba |
| 15:54.18 | marvinstuart | Thanks it worked |
| 15:54.22 | Pegasus_RPG | (the deb was samba3) |
| 15:54.26 | themill | (next time use dpkg -x foo.deb /tmp/foo) |
| 15:54.31 | themill | or mc |
| 15:54.41 | ChrisH | marvinstuart: I assume you want to change the user not the directory. but exit or CTRL-D is the command you want to use |
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| 15:54.49 | Pegasus_RPG | themill: correct. I just needed a single file from it |
| 15:55.05 | marvinstuart | Yep |
| 15:55.11 | marvinstuart | Got it now |
| 15:55.25 | themill | Pegasus_RPG: so you could dpkg -i the package and then dpkg -r it to get rid of it |
| 15:55.31 | Pegasus_RPG | (Though I expect that future versions of the samba4 package will include that file since it's refrerenced by its install script) |
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| 15:55.53 | themill | Pegasus_RPG: either that or you could get dpkg to give you the contents listing and feed that to xargs rm |
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| 15:56.02 | Pegasus_RPG | themill: dpkg -i fails |
| 15:56.22 | themill | in what way |
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| 15:56.33 | ChrisH | dpkg -r --purge samba ?? |
| 15:56.33 | dpkg | removes --purge samba along with a pound of flesh from chrish's body, then staples chrish back up with a staple gun. |
| 15:56.46 | ChrisH | ups |
| 15:56.47 | Pegasus_RPG | '/var/lib/dpkg/info/samba.postrm: 21: update-inetd: not found' |
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| 15:57.26 | Pegasus_RPG | ChrisH: " Package is in a very bad inconsistent state - you should reinstall it before attempting a removal." |
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| 15:58.15 | ChrisH | Pegasus_RPG: dpkg -l update-inetd is it installed? |
| 15:58.29 | Pegasus_RPG | ChrisH: no |
| 15:58.45 | ChrisH | can you install it using apt-get install update-inetd |
| 15:59.35 | Pegasus_RPG | oy, a bunch of unmet dependencies |
| 15:59.56 | Pegasus_RPG | contemplates reinstalling the server |
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| 15:59.58 | ChrisH | Pegasus_RPG: can you pastebin to paste.debian.net |
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| 16:00.38 | Pegasus_RPG | ChrisH: http://paste.debian.net/230514/ |
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| 16:01.03 | themill | Pegasus_RPG: you could tell dpkg to remove it even in reinst-required. See dpkg(1) --force options |
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| 16:04.39 | jboogie1 | I'm running getmail4 on squeeze, and halfway through downloading my emails from gmail it gets allmost 100% CPU and gets killed |
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| 16:04.56 | jboogie1 | how can I prevent it from getting sent signal 9? |
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| 16:05.53 | jelly | jboogie1: it depends on what kills it. |
| 16:06.05 | themill | signal 9? not preventable... |
| 16:06.09 | Touhou11 | Just look in the code and fix whatever bug causes 100% CPU usage |
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| 16:07.02 | ChrisH | Pegasus_RPG: apt-get install -f and remove the packages afterwards |
| 16:07.04 | jboogie1 | uhm... so there isn't some daemon running and constantly looking out for processes using 100% CPU? |
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| 16:07.36 | jboogie1 | I thought it was something like that, and hoped I could configure /temporary disable it... |
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| 16:07.49 | themill | jboogie1: signal 9 is a programming error. |
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| 16:08.06 | jboogie1 | ah I see |
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| 16:11.45 | Pegasus_RPG | ChrisH: that doesn't work either. I get the same message " Package is in a very bad inconsistent state - you should reinstall it before attempting a removal." |
| 16:12.00 | themill | jboogie1: sorry.. as just pointed out to me by jelly -- signal 9 could easily be the oomkiller or something like it taking that process out and shooting it for being naughty |
| 16:12.20 | Pegasus_RPG | reads the dpkg man page |
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| 16:14.59 | jboogie1 | themill: thanks, looking into what the oomkiller is... maybe I should add that this is on a server with 96MB of RAM |
| 16:15.21 | themill | err.. yeah, that'd do it |
| 16:15.30 | jelly | that's a very 1996 machine |
| 16:15.47 | jboogie1 | or a very virtual machine ;) |
| 16:16.05 | ChrisH | jboogie1: kill -l shows 9) SIGKILL can be anything. If it happens often, consider enabling ulimit -c unlimted and check the created core dump with the developers |
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| 16:17.01 | jelly | ChrisH: I don't think KILL leaves a core ever, at least not on Linux |
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| 16:19.34 | ChrisH | jelly: I would not bet on it either, but it might be worth a try. |
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| 16:20.23 | jelly | it doesn't even bring the pages back from swap -- they just become free instantly |
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| 16:25.08 | Zeeflo | If a server is plugged in with 2 PSU's, is it then consuming power on both of them? |
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| 16:25.58 | Zeeflo | 1 of them a failover psu |
| 16:26.03 | jelly | Zeeflo: yes. |
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| 16:26.10 | Zeeflo | crap |
| 16:26.16 | Zeeflo | then its using 900watts |
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| 16:26.24 | jelly | Zeeflo: not necessarily. |
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| 16:26.47 | Zeeflo | im not gonna take a chance.. |
| 16:26.51 | Zeeflo | Ill pull one of them |
| 16:27.00 | Zeeflo | i cant afford a server running at 900w 24/7 |
| 16:27.34 | JasonTheAdams | I made a very stupid mistake, and was wondering if someone could advise: From the superuse, I accidentally wrote over the Less function, filling it with text junk. Now I can't seem to reinstall it as I get an etckeeper error when try. Any ideas? |
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| 16:27.46 | jelly | Zeeflo: you have power usage listed in iLO, not sure if it requires ilo advanced license. |
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| 16:28.14 | themill | JasonTheAdams: can you pastebin the output of "aptitude reinstall less" for us? |
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| 16:28.55 | JasonTheAdams | themill: I don't believe aptitude is useable, but I'll show you apt-get install --reinstall less. (Thanks!) |
| 16:29.07 | themill | sure |
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| 16:29.48 | JasonTheAdams | themill: http://pastebin.com/AWZisb29 |
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| 16:30.12 | themill | JasonTheAdams: (if we need to in the end, you can move the etckeeper hook out of the way from /etc/apt.conf.d/) |
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| 16:30.52 | Zeeflo | then I need to hook up a connection to the iLO interface right? |
| 16:31.06 | JasonTheAdams | themill: Ok, thanks. Upfront, I'm getting familiar with Linux, but I'm by no means great. |
| 16:31.31 | blubberdiblub | the etckeeper hook is non-essential. stuff can be committed at the next run when all works or can be committed manually |
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| 16:31.58 | blubberdiblub | so it should be fine to move it somewhere else for now |
| 16:32.38 | JasonTheAdams | blubberdiblub: What's the recommended way of disabling the hook? |
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| 16:32.49 | themill | JasonTheAdams: as root, run "mv /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/05etckeeper /root" once it's all fixed, move it back |
| 16:32.51 | ChrisH | Zeeflo: simply measure the power consumption. Normally only the max power is mentioneded. and The total power consumed via 2 PSU should be eg. 110% of the 1 PSU active. |
| 16:33.08 | JasonTheAdams | themill: I'll try that. Thanks! |
| 16:33.24 | Zeeflo | i thought the idea of a backup psu was in case the other fails.. |
| 16:33.32 | Zeeflo | Not to actually feed the system with power |
| 16:34.05 | ChrisH | Zeeflo: normally both work at a lower rate which will increase their lifetime. |
| 16:34.17 | Zeeflo | ok |
| 16:35.10 | JasonTheAdams | New error: http://pastebin.com/i7uasiWf |
| 16:35.11 | ChrisH | Zeeflo: as mentioned. get a powermeter, cheap stuff at least in germany and test it. |
| 16:35.20 | Zeeflo | im in denmark |
| 16:35.20 | Zeeflo | ;) |
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| 16:35.54 | Zeeflo | and i actually think you can borrow them for free for 2 weeks at our energy company |
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| 16:37.01 | ChrisH | Zeeflo: thats even better, as these are expected to be able to get the power consumption of a switching device correct. I once had a cheap one from Conrad which did not get anything else but a light bulb correct. |
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| 16:37.31 | Zeeflo | hehe |
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| 16:38.09 | JasonTheAdams | themill: Did you see my last error? I'm baffled as to why Linux seems to have such an issue reinstalling. |
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| 16:40.37 | Zeeflo | does ANYone here have great knowledge about CloudFront? |
| 16:41.04 | Zeeflo | I am wondering why all my requests are getting from an edge server in Seattle, USA when I live in DK |
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| 16:42.13 | themill | JasonTheAdams: is there anything other than less on that box that you've broken? |
| 16:42.25 | Zeeflo | HAHA |
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| 16:43.36 | JasonTheAdams | I don't believe so. It's a Linux Turnkey, so it's possible something's missing from install. Otherwise, all I did was a "ls -l > less".. Oops. :-/ |
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| 16:44.02 | JasonTheAdams | themill: (That is to say, the install, as a barebone, didn't include something.) |
| 16:44.11 | Pizza90_1 | hi all, does anyone how to enable experimental repos in debian wheezy?? |
| 16:44.32 | ChrisH | JasonTheAdams: does dpkg -l | egrep -v -e ^ii show any lines? |
| 16:44.39 | themill | JasonTheAdams: what version of apt do you have "dpkg -l apt" |
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| 16:45.28 | JasonTheAdams | ChrisH: I'll give that a try in a moment. |
| 16:45.45 | JasonTheAdams | themill: 0.8.10.3+squeeze1 |
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| 16:46.52 | themill | JasonTheAdams: you should by now have a less .deb in /var/cache/apt/archives -- what does "dpkg -i /var/cache/apt/archives/less_*deb" want to do? |
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| 16:47.44 | JasonTheAdams | ChrisH: It shows the same as themill's command, but without the bottom version line. |
| 16:47.50 | JasonTheAdams | Exact output: http://pastebin.com/2Vi0A8Pb |
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| 16:48.56 | ChrisH | JasonTheAdams: took me a while to understand... OK no packages in weird state. thats good |
| 16:49.09 | JasonTheAdams | themill: Output of your last command: http://pastebin.com/KuXrXSXu |
| 16:49.41 | Zeeflo | how can I troubleshoot the connection? I have connection to the server on LAN but I cant do anything outside the WAN on the server? |
| 16:49.46 | ChrisH | ,v less |
| 16:49.47 | judd | Package: less on i386 -- lenny: 418-1; squeeze: 436-1; wheezy: 444-4; sid: 456-1 |
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| 16:50.11 | themill | JasonTheAdams: ok.. "dpkg -x /var/cache/apt/archives/less_436-1_i386.deb /" |
| 16:50.20 | ChrisH | JasonTheAdams: is that a 32bit or 64bit box? |
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| 16:51.06 | JasonTheAdams | x64 processor, but I believe it's a 32-bit Squeeze. |
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| 16:51.46 | JasonTheAdams | themill: Your last command returned no output, error, or anything. |
| 16:52.02 | themill | JasonTheAdams: good. try "apt-get --reinstall install less" now. |
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| 16:53.16 | JasonTheAdams | themill: Same error as before, I'm afraid: http://pastebin.com/eWmUmfen |
| 16:54.01 | themill | grumble |
| 16:54.20 | blubberdiblub | it's likely that more than just less is broken |
| 16:54.32 | themill | JasonTheAdams: let's do it one step at a time then... "dpkg -i /var/cache/apt/archives/less_436-1_i386.deb" |
| 16:54.33 | ChrisH | remove --purge and then install? |
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| 16:56.06 | JasonTheAdams | themill: Same as last time: http://pastebin.com/pPmY5ajC |
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| 16:56.20 | ChrisH | JasonTheAdams: is that a chroot env? |
| 16:56.25 | ChrisH | found http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=659387 |
| 16:56.33 | JasonTheAdams | ChrisH: Would that be "apt-get purge less"? |
| 16:56.53 | ChrisH | there exit code 100 gets explained. |
| 16:57.02 | ChrisH | JasonTheAdams: apt-get remove --purge less |
| 16:57.13 | themill | ChrisH: I'm not seeing where the 100 comes from |
| 16:57.27 | PaulE | how can I get df to work in a chroot bootstrap? I currently get df: cannot read table of mounted file systems: No such file or directory |
| 16:57.32 | JasonTheAdams | ChrisH: I've used apt-get for other things. I just installed some fonts with it. |
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| 16:58.18 | JasonTheAdams | ChrisH: I get the same sub-process (error 100) failure when I try to purge. |
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| 16:59.22 | themill | JasonTheAdams: can you pastebin the contents of /var/lib/dpkg/info/less.prerm for us? |
| 16:59.42 | ChrisH | JasonTheAdams:add file /var/lib/dpkg/info/less.prerm /var/cache/apt/archives/less_*deb |
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| 16:59.59 | JasonTheAdams | themill: Sure! And thanks very much to you both for taking the time! |
| 17:00.22 | JasonTheAdams | themill: Short output: prerm called with unknown argument `' |
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| 17:00.43 | themill | JasonTheAdams: no, the contents of the file please, not its output |
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| 17:01.02 | ChrisH | JasonTheAdams: cat /var/lib/dpkg/info/less.prerm |
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| 17:02.15 | JasonTheAdams | Hah! Sorry, I'm blindly copying and pasting. |
| 17:02.19 | JasonTheAdams | Contents: http://pastebin.com/yUKnw6LV |
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| 17:03.10 | ChrisH | JasonTheAdams: update-alternatives --display pager |
| 17:03.18 | ChrisH | does that provide content? |
| 17:04.11 | JasonTheAdams | ChrisH: http://pastebin.com/HGPGpFnx |
| 17:04.20 | themill | JasonTheAdams: what does "file /bin/sh /bin/dash /bin/bash" say? |
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| 17:05.17 | JasonTheAdams | themill: http://pastebin.com/BtqdJHKC |
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| 17:05.25 | themill | bingo |
| 17:05.35 | JasonTheAdams | Yeah? |
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| 17:05.45 | themill | seems you somehow clobbered /bin/dash too |
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| 17:06.42 | JasonTheAdams | Er.. I don't even know what that is. I'm not sure how I cobbered it. Oops. :) |
| 17:07.01 | JasonTheAdams | I try not to touch what I don't understand yet. |
| 17:07.19 | themill | JasonTheAdams: try "apt-get install --download --reinstall dash" |
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| 17:07.50 | themill | err "apt-get install --download-only --reinstall dash" |
| 17:07.53 | ChrisH | themill: Will that work without dash? Why not link dash to bash ? |
| 17:08.11 | JasonTheAdams | themill: No luck: http://pastebin.com/0z31SHpV |
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| 17:08.32 | themill | ChrisH: the download will work then I was going to dpkg -x it |
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| 17:09.07 | themill | JasonTheAdams: that's fine -- "dpkg -x /var/cache/apt/archives/dash_0.5.5.1-7.4_i386.deb /" |
| 17:09.23 | ChrisH | themill: Timtowtdi :) |
| 17:09.29 | themill | indeed! |
| 17:09.59 | JasonTheAdams | themill: Did it. |
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| 17:10.05 | ChrisH | is more the linker :) |
| 17:10.36 | themill | JasonTheAdams: ok, so let's have another go with "apt-get --reinstall install less" |
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| 17:10.53 | JasonTheAdams | I'm actually a programmer, so I know what you mean. Always skinning cats. ;) |
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| 17:11.45 | JasonTheAdams | Yeah!!! It's working!! |
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| 17:12.08 | JasonTheAdams | If you wouldn't mind, for my education, what was going wrong? |
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| 17:12.34 | themill | JasonTheAdams: ok. so I'd suggest "apt-get install debsums" and then we can use debsums to check that there's nothing else broken -- "debsums -a -s" |
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| 17:14.30 | JasonTheAdams | themill: debsums output: http://pastebin.com/BhmVreJe |
| 17:14.48 | ChrisH | JasonTheAdams: http://pastebin.com/BtqdJHKC is the relevant one. I assume someone executed > /bin/dash and did kill the binary. All these scripts are executed with #! /bin/sh which is linked to dash which is empty. this lead to these exec format failures |
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| 17:16.10 | JasonTheAdams | I'm getting familiar with bash scripts. What does /bin/dash do, specifically? |
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| 17:16.35 | ChrisH | JasonTheAdams: the same. its cheaper to start dash then start bash |
| 17:17.06 | themill | JasonTheAdams: every package listed with "no md5sums" should be reinstalled and every file outside /etc that has a "changed" file should have its package reinstalled. (the turnkey-* and shellinabox packages l look like crap you should ignore from turnkey) |
| 17:17.15 | JasonTheAdams | I see. Hence being called "dash", I presume. :) |
| 17:18.08 | themill | dpkg: tell JasonTheAdams about general cli tutorial |
| 17:18.23 | themill | JasonTheAdams: dpkg has given you a bit more homework, since you were wanting to understand the shell some more |
| 17:18.38 | JasonTheAdams | themill: Understood. Honestly, it's been a pretty painless way to get a PostgreSQL and HTTP server going. Once I improve, I'll probably set up my own from scratch. |
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| 17:19.41 | JasonTheAdams | themill: Thanks! I'm actually working my way through LinuxCommand presently.. That's how I broke less. :D |
| 17:20.07 | themill | JasonTheAdams: yeah, I'd recommend ignoring crap like webmin btw. If you learn webmin, you've got to learn how to unbreak everything it screws up too. |
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| 17:20.20 | JasonTheAdams | I was curious what the difference between > and | was... and shouldn't have been toying on a superuser account. |
| 17:20.31 | themill | indeed |
| 17:21.29 | JasonTheAdams | themill: Ah, ok. I'll probably use it in the meantime (because it works) and keep studying until I don't need such things. I'm afraid my necessity doesn't allow for the time needed to do everything "properly". |
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| 17:22.35 | JasonTheAdams | Anyway, I really appreciate the help, themill, ChrisH. Have a great day! |
| 17:23.01 | themill | no worries. happy hunting |
| 17:23.33 | ChrisH | JasonTheAdams: YW |
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| 17:55.43 | chris_99 | hi, i'm trying to install Xen, but i keep getting unmet dependancies http://pastebin.com/UCSCZ6wn |
| 17:55.49 | chris_99 | anyone got an idea how to fix that |
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| 17:57.43 | jhutchins_wk | chris_99: Could you paste your sources.list please? |
| 17:57.47 | itry | Hello! When I do "cryptsetup remove x" it seems to return before it actually freed up x. So the rest of my script fails. Is there a way to make "cryptsetup remove" blocking or some other way to wait until it really finished? |
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| 17:58.49 | chris_99 | jhutchins_wk, sure http://pastebin.com/0UYnNJV5 |
| 18:00.27 | jhutchins_wk | chris_99: Do an aptitude update & then try again with aptitude instead of apt-get |
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| 18:02.57 | chris_99 | jhutchins_wk, then i get http://pastebin.com/di7feNKj |
| 18:03.01 | chris_99 | but it doesn't install anything |
| 18:03.15 | chris_99 | so i'm quite confused |
| 18:03.27 | chris_99 | should i try a different source.list maybe |
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| 18:04.24 | jhutchins_wk | Hang on a sec. |
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| 18:05.42 | jhutchins_wk | chris_99: Are you trying to install xen from backports or from the main repo? |
| 18:05.54 | chris_99 | i'm trying to install from the main repo |
| 18:06.15 | jhutchins_wk | Then why is it looking for the backported kernel I wonder... |
| 18:06.55 | jhutchins_wk | chris_99: Does aptitude upgrade complain about anything? |
| 18:07.08 | chris_99 | nope, i just get what i pasted |
| 18:07.20 | jhutchins_wk | Which? |
| 18:07.26 | jhutchins_wk | Not update, upgrade. |
| 18:07.34 | chris_99 | oh sorry |
| 18:07.46 | chris_99 | No packages will be installed, upgraded, or removed. |
| 18:08.05 | themill | it looks like you want "aptitude -t squeeze-backports install xen-linux-system-amd64" |
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| 18:08.13 | somiaj | xen-linux-system-amd64 is not even in squeeze |
| 18:08.17 | chris_99 | oh |
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| 18:08.47 | somiaj | so I think apt is just getting confused because you have explicity stated it is a squeeze-backports but that is the only place to grab the package from? |
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| 18:09.04 | somiaj | s/have/have not/ |
| 18:09.09 | DANYAL | I Cant Be Able To Change My Passwd In Debian 6. |
| 18:09.09 | chris_99 | ok cool, what themill just posted seems to work |
| 18:09.30 | DANYAL | im typing correct passwd but it saying: passwd: Authentication token manipulation error |
| 18:09.55 | jhutchins_wk | Interesting. |
| 18:09.56 | somiaj | chris_99: by default apt will not use dependeies packages from squeeze-backports unless stated with the -t. I guess this is a bug because what happens if there is not a similar package in squeeze (it is not looking in squeeze-backports for the depends) |
| 18:09.59 | cardiel | someone managed to get veetle and/or sopcast working in debian? |
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| 18:21.44 | stanley | hi |
| 18:21.55 | stanley | I can't seem to use two programs, like Skype and VLC at once with the audio |
| 18:22.00 | stanley | one of them dominates, in this case Skype |
| 18:22.01 | stanley | I'm on xfce4 |
| 18:22.04 | stanley | any help? |
| 18:22.21 | somiaj | stanley: do you use alsa? pulseaudio? and if you ues alsa do you use a custom ~/.asoundrc file? |
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| 18:23.45 | stanley | I believe pulse |
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| 18:24.07 | Jacek_vel_Blacha | I've got Skype too , in my opinion new ver. Skype something wrong ,install old version |
| 18:24.12 | shingouz | stanley: iirc some years ago skype was unable to share the audio with any other program. i am not sure what the situation is today, though |
| 18:24.32 | stanley | damn.. |
| 18:24.38 | stanley | Any link to a deb of the old version? |
| 18:24.46 | Jacek_vel_Blacha | stanley and ofcourse I am on Xfce |
| 18:24.46 | somiaj | stanley: many sound cards don't have hardware mixing. So software needs to do this. My guess is the issue is skype doesn't support pulse |
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| 18:25.06 | Jacek_vel_Blacha | stanley give me a moment o k ? |
| 18:25.13 | somiaj | stanley: I personally would just use alsa + dmix (which should be enabled by default). And on my system skype shares audio just fine with my other applications. |
| 18:25.44 | stanley | ps aux | grep dmix shows nothing, ps aux | grep alsa also shows nothing |
| 18:26.00 | stanley | I'm on wheezy if that helps at all |
| 18:26.08 | stanley | and yeah, sure |
| 18:26.11 | stanley | i can wait :) |
| 18:26.22 | somiaj | stanley: they won't be binaries that run. alsa is the kernel sound system and dmix is just a plugin for alsa |
| 18:26.30 | stanley | oh |
| 18:26.42 | somiaj | stanley: dpkg -l | grep pulse (or ps aux | grep pulse) do you have pulseaudio running? |
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| 18:27.24 | stanley | pulse is running, yeah |
| 18:27.41 | stanley | I also have Skype set to set to use pulse as i/o |
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| 18:27.56 | stanley | "/usr/bin/pulseaudio --start" |
| 18:28.09 | Jacek_vel_Blacha | stanley version 4.1 its on site maybe try it http://blogs.skype.com/linux/ |
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| 18:28.31 | somiaj | do you also have VLC set to use pluseaudio. Pulseaudio should share the sound card just fine. |
| 18:28.41 | stanley | I am using 4.1.. how would I set VLC to use pulseaudio |
| 18:28.44 | somiaj | (i.e. pulseaudio is a software mixer (among other things)) |
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| 18:30.54 | stanley | I've no idea how I'd dtell it to |
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| 18:31.28 | somiaj | me either, I don't use or like pulseaudio. (: |
| 18:31.31 | stanley | ok, I think I set it |
| 18:31.33 | stanley | still no |
| 18:31.53 | jelly-home | stanley: configure that output plugin in vlc audio preferences? |
| 18:32.16 | jelly-home | also. Stop and start any active playing |
| 18:32.20 | stanley | i see no option |
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| 18:32.37 | jelly-home | what do you see under audio, then? |
| 18:32.37 | stanley | I restarted VLC after changing, should I restart skype? |
| 18:32.37 | somiaj | hmm, way to many bugs for apt to parse to see if that strange bug chris_99 ran into was reported already or not. |
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| 18:33.09 | jelly-home | stanley: usually there's no need to restart skype |
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| 18:33.11 | somiaj | stanley: if skype is using pulse it should be fine. If skype is actually using the soundcard directally maybe not. I'd try to stop both, and see if you can get vlc to play on pulse without skype first. |
| 18:33.13 | stanley | Pref -> Audio -> some volume defaults.. effects, output module which I set to VLC |
| 18:33.19 | stanley | (used to be "Default") |
| 18:33.26 | stanley | ok |
| 18:33.34 | stanley | okay, vlc is playing without skype |
| 18:34.06 | andylondinium | i upgraded to the testing version of debian, how do i add the cpu/network/disk monitoring 'tool' to a toolbar? |
| 18:34.07 | somiaj | load skype, do they both have audio? |
| 18:34.24 | somiaj | andylondinium: depends on the WM/DE toolbar you are talking about |
| 18:34.28 | stanley | Okay.. I tried to call someone on skype - problme with audio playback |
| 18:34.50 | andylondinium | wm/de? i don't really care where, just i like to have buttons and tools in the 'dock' |
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| 18:35.05 | stanley | (everything is set to "pulse (pulse)" in skype) |
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| 18:36.34 | Jacek_vel_Blacha | stanley |
| 18:36.38 | Jacek_vel_Blacha | stanley ! |
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| 18:36.57 | Jacek_vel_Blacha | http://download.skype.com/linux/skype-ubuntu_2.2.0.35-1_i386.deb :) |
| 18:37.08 | Jacek_vel_Blacha | Skype 2.2 |
| 18:37.29 | stanley | okay |
| 18:37.31 | stanley | let me try |
| 18:37.47 | andylondinium | wm - gnome 3 what is DE? |
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| 18:37.58 | somiaj | andylondinium: debian provides choices. I have no clue what window manger/desktop you use. Each one may be slight different on how you configure its pannels. You use gnome? kde? xfce? or any of the other wms debian has |
| 18:38.34 | somiaj | andylondinium: in gnome you usually just rightlick on the pannel and say add applett. |
| 18:38.35 | andylondinium | yea, gnome 3, it is quite different to the v.2 in kernel 2.6 that it shipped with |
| 18:38.47 | stanley | still getting 'problem with aduo playback' |
| 18:39.21 | Jacek_vel_Blacha | problem was in old version too ? |
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| 18:39.34 | Jacek_vel_Blacha | stanley ? |
| 18:39.35 | andylondinium | right click seems to be disabled |
| 18:40.00 | somiaj | andylondinium: so if you use gnome3, this is more a gnome3 question. I don't use gnome so I can only say poke around, usually I can find what I'm looking for |
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| 18:40.46 | abrotman | andylondinium: you probably want to look at the gnome3 plugins page |
| 18:40.53 | andylondinium | somiaj: thanks, i have been poking about. |
| 18:41.08 | abrotman | andylondinium: extensions.gnome.org |
| 18:41.11 | andylondinium | abrotman: thanks. is gnome popular still? |
| 18:43.34 | stanley | seems this skype version didnth elp much |
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| 18:44.08 | Zeeflo | Guys, I got a question. I got another server here at home. I got samba on it to share folders etc.. On my other server I run FFmpeg to encode the files on my second server with samba. Right now I copy files from server a to b and then I encode. It takes time!! :) Is it possible to some how mount a shared folder on server a to server b ? |
| 18:44.19 | abrotman | andylondinium: i use it .. works great for me |
| 18:44.34 | andylondinium | gnome 3? i much prefer the older one on the stable tbh |
| 18:44.55 | abrotman | andylondinium: to each their own .. i feel like those that spend some time with gnome3 end up liking it |
| 18:45.15 | abrotman | Zeeflo: sshfs |
| 18:45.27 | Zeeflo | gotcha |
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| 18:46.10 | andylondinium | yea, i like the whole system, it is faster and more stable. just i am a mac user too, and want to make it a bit more friendly with a pseudo-dock and things like the system monitor in the dock |
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| 18:46.21 | Zeeflo | dpkg tell Zeeflo about sshfs |
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| 18:46.43 | abrotman | dpkg: tell Zeeflo about selftell |
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| 18:50.04 | chris_99 | guys so it turned out Xen didn't install right, i tried to install the xen kernel from backports but get http://pastebin.com/Zf2mpH74 |
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| 18:54.24 | Zeeflo_ | abrotman, do you know how I define a different port with sshfs? |
| 18:54.25 | Zeeflo_ | or does it have to be 22? |
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| 18:56.11 | wols | Zeeflo: editing /etc/ssh/sshd_config |
| 18:56.19 | wols | oh, sshfs. sorry |
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| 18:56.30 | Zeeflo | ok |
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| 18:57.00 | abrotman | Zeeflo: read the man page |
| 18:57.03 | abrotman | it tells you clearly |
| 18:57.15 | Zeeflo | sure sure |
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| 19:00.05 | chris_99 | xen is definitley broken here in squeeze |
| 19:00.42 | chris_99 | eventually it moans about a dependancy of xen-system-amd64 |
| 19:00.43 | chris_99 | which doesn't exist |
| 19:00.51 | chris_99 | E: Package 'xen-system-amd64' has no installation candidate |
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| 19:02.18 | jelly-home | ,whatprovides xen-system-amd64 |
| 19:02.22 | judd | No packages provide 'xen-system-amd64' in squeeze/i386. |
| 19:02.28 | wols | it's a metapackage |
| 19:02.29 | jelly-home | ,whatprovides xen-system-amd64 --arch amd64 |
| 19:02.32 | judd | No packages provide 'xen-system-amd64' in squeeze/amd64. |
| 19:02.36 | wols | ,versions xen-sysmte-amd64 |
| 19:02.37 | judd | No package named 'xen-sysmte-amd64' was found in i386. |
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| 19:03.07 | wols | ,versions xen-system-amd64 |
| 19:03.07 | judd | Package: xen-system-amd64 on i386 -- sid: 4.1.3-8; wheezy: 4.1.3-8; experimental: 4.2.0-1 |
| 19:03.15 | chris_99 | yeah i'm not trying to install it directly, that just seems to what cause the problem |
| 19:03.21 | chris_99 | i'm on amd64 |
| 19:03.26 | jelly-home | chris_99: you're right, it doesn't even exist in squeeze! |
| 19:03.37 | chris_99 | er, i'm using backports too |
| 19:03.42 | chris_99 | to try and get it to work |
| 19:04.10 | jelly-home | chris_99: what was the actual command you used? |
| 19:04.27 | jelly-home | in fact, |
| 19:04.29 | jelly-home | !bat |
| 19:04.29 | dpkg | In order for us to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, aptitude or dselect we need the following information: The complete output of your apt-get/aptitude/dselect run (including the command you used); the output from apt-cache policy PKG1 PKG2...; for the relevant packages and "apt-cache policy". Use http://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>. |
| 19:04.43 | chris_99 | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:04.50 | Leoneof | it's possible to install xfce4.10 in wheezy? |
| 19:05.45 | chris_99 | jelly-home, http://pastebin.com/4Mu84ftb |
| 19:05.54 | chris_99 | is what happens |
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| 19:07.11 | abrotman | Leoneof: you can try, it's currently only in experiemental |
| 19:07.22 | Leoneof | abrotman: ok, thanks |
| 19:07.37 | jelly-home | chris_99: yeah, that looks broken |
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| 19:08.16 | chris_99 | so the xen kernel doesn't seem to have been installed, so i'm not sure what to do |
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| 19:31.20 | JasonTheAdams | Greetings! I'm trying to output debsums to a file, is there something more than "debsums -a - s > FILE_NAME" I ought to be doing? |
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| 19:33.11 | JasonTheAdams | Hey ChrisH! Is there something more than "debsums -a -s > FILE_NAME" required to write the output to a file? |
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| 19:33.45 | jhutchins_wk | JasonTheAdams: Is that not working? |
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| 19:34.12 | JasonTheAdams | jhutchins_wk: Oddly, no. The file is created but empty. |
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| 19:34.53 | JasonTheAdams | jhutchins_wk: It seems like it only captures the first line. |
| 19:34.59 | JasonTheAdams | Which is nothing. |
| 19:35.49 | jhutchins_wk | Without the redirect do you get output? |
| 19:35.54 | jhutchins_wk | brb... |
| 19:37.10 | xsappyx | JasonTheAdams: the -s flag is 'silent' mode... |
| 19:37.16 | JasonTheAdams | jhutchins_wk: Yup, it works fine otherwise. Shows me a page or two of stuff. "debsums -a -s | less" works fine. |
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| 19:37.25 | JasonTheAdams | xsappyx: Right. I only want the errors. |
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| 19:40.45 | xsappyx | JasonTheAdams: do you see any output when you run "debsums -a - s > FILE_NAME" ? maybe those errors are on stderr ? |
| 19:40.48 | jhutchins_wk | Ok, what you need is 2 &> 1 > file_name |
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| 19:41.43 | JasonTheAdams | jhutchins_wk: Sorry, what does that do? |
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| 19:42.31 | jhutchins_wk | 2 is STDERR, that redirects STDERR to STDOUT and the pipes both to the file. |
| 19:42.43 | jhutchins_wk | s/the/then/ |
| 19:42.44 | JasonTheAdams | xsappyx: It echos back "debsums -a -s", but no errors are mentioned. |
| 19:42.49 | BeWilled | Hello, im trying to build a iso installer of my actual debian distro. This I mean - that all programs that I have currently installed be installed once again when I install the ISO. Anyone on how should I aproach this? |
| 19:44.10 | jhutchins_wk | JasonTheAdams: Oops, sorry, it's 2>&1 |
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| 19:44.32 | wols | !tell BeWilled about custom cd |
| 19:44.57 | jhutchins_wk | JasonTheAdams: http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Bash-Prog-Intro-HOWTO-3.html |
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| 19:46.14 | JasonTheAdams | jutchins_wk: Got it. Thanks! I'll have to read up on >& |
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| 19:47.19 | xsappyx | BeWilled: check out apt-clone too |
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| 19:56.14 | bluesm | Hi |
| 19:56.26 | bluesm | Can I mock date ? |
| 19:57.22 | bluesm | I mean I have VPS. And date -s "2 OCT 2013 18:00:00" return date: cannot set date: Operation not permitted |
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| 20:00.57 | Aut0Exec | i was looking at fwbuilder |
| 20:01.14 | Aut0Exec | i think you use it offline then push your rules to your server over ssh |
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| 20:02.12 | xsappyx | Aut0Exec: maybe check out ufw/gufw.. little front end for iptables rules |
| 20:02.27 | Aut0Exec | ahh ok |
| 20:02.31 | Aut0Exec | xsappyx: kewl thanks bro |
| 20:02.46 | xsappyx | bluesm: if you just want to set the timezone, you can export TZ in your shell |
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| 20:03.16 | bluesm | xsappyx: Time Zone in your shell ? |
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| 20:05.27 | xsappyx | bluesm: export TZ="America/Pacific" or whatever your timezone is.. maybe drop that in your shell rc.. |
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| 20:07.15 | bluesm | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:07.36 | bluesm | responsible for setting the timezone. |
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| 20:08.17 | xsappyx | bluesm: ya, exactly.. you can set it in your shell env if you want that time to match your local time.. the VPS is probably set to UTC, eh? |
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| 20:10.41 | bluesm | xsappyx: Actually I want to change date by one day, to check if my sql functions work properly. |
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| 20:12.32 | Aut0Exec | question about ufw... if I change my ssh_config to use say port 54321 for ssh... then in ufw i "ufw enable ssh".. will this reflect that port ? |
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| 20:13.09 | Aut0Exec | or do i have to ufw allow port 54321" ? |
| 20:13.24 | ompaul | !ufw |
| 20:13.25 | dpkg | [ufw] Uncomplicated firewall is an <iptables> front-end with syntax similar to OpenBSD's Packet Filter (PF). Packaged for Debian squeeze. https://launchpad.net/ufw |
| 20:13.43 | xsappyx | Aut0Exec: the 'enable ssh' will do port 22, you'll want to do port 54321 |
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| 20:14.26 | Aut0Exec | xsappyx: ok |
| 20:14.28 | Aut0Exec | kewl |
| 20:15.19 | Aut0Exec | xsappyx: so basically i might as well just disable ssh from firewall and just explicitly open port 54321 |
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| 20:16.37 | xsappyx | Aut0Exec: ya, if you've moved the ssh listening port. if this server is remote, make sure you have everything right :) dont want to lock yourself out of a remote machine |
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| 20:18.54 | Aut0Exec | xsappyx: yes thats what i'm afraid of... i think i will leave ssh enabled first then... ssh to port 54321 then if that works then i'll disable ssh |
| 20:18.57 | Aut0Exec | lol |
| 20:18.59 | Aut0Exec | thanks m8 |
| 20:19.02 | Cyclohexane | I'm using this to parse auth.log entries but it's a bit weird.. sudo grep "login attempt" auth.log | grep "^Jan" | awk '{split($12,array,":"); print array[1]}' | uniq -c |
| 20:19.24 | Cyclohexane | How do I fix it? (when I say weird the uniq is still printing IPs on different lines even though they're the same.. |
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| 20:20.40 | xsappyx | Aut0Exec: another good trick is to enable the firewall, sleep 60, disable the firewall.. it will give you a minute to test things and then let you back in if something goes wrong.. run it in a screen / byobu session on the server |
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| 20:26.44 | Aut0Exec | xsappyx: good idea thanks |
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| 20:33.25 | SirFappington | so many people... |
| 20:33.32 | SirFappington | And only 2 OPS |
| 20:34.07 | SirFappington | /leave |
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| 20:40.01 | Repox | Hi - I'm relatively new in managing a debian server. I'm currently running squeeze. For an apt-get kind of person like myself, is it possible to get my php5 updated to php 5.4.11? I was thinking that if I build it myself, I have no idea on as to how to link it with Apache. |
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| 20:45.29 | mullein | repox: one way could be to use the dotdeb packages, they're definitely not official. http://www.dotdeb.org/2012/04/30/php-5-4-1/ |
| 20:45.57 | mullein | repox: another way would be to use apt-pinning and install the version from wheezy, which is 5.4: http://serverfault.com/questions/404815/how-can-i-upgrade-php-to-a-higher-version-for-debian-squeeze |
| 20:46.25 | Repox | mullein: What is the safest alternative in your oppinion? |
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| 20:47.01 | mullein | to not upgrade to 5.4 and instead downgrade your php requirements :) |
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| 20:47.37 | PaulE | Repox: Agree with mullein. Once you compile, you'll need to manage security updates or hope that the source you've taken from does it. |
| 20:47.50 | osfd | Hi there. How do you check your system font encoding, please |
| 20:48.17 | PaulE | Repox: in our case, we had to compile one package from source for PHP to fix a bug that wasn't fixed upstream but was affecting our environment, and now we have to be on top of security fixes affecting that package. |
| 20:48.43 | Repox | I see your point. I should wait till an official update comes. |
| 20:48.59 | Aut0Exec | xsappyx: i think i found a better way... change /etc/services ssh to 54321... then ... ufw allow ssh ... done |
| 20:49.01 | Aut0Exec | xsappyx: :) |
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| 20:50.04 | neon__ | my iceweasel constantly make the computer hang on io wait |
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| 20:50.17 | PaulE | Repox: Other debian based distributions may support and provide security updates for the version you need. Another approach if you have such flexibility |
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| 20:52.00 | Pinhole | I have a tablet that runs the command line. What do I need to install to get xfce going. I don't have X yet. |
| 20:52.05 | Repox | PaulE: That sounds a little too complicated for a beginner like myself. I was hoping to be able to get all the neat new stuff from PHP without to much hassle. |
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| 20:52.20 | Pinhole | I'm from a fedora background, so forgive my debian ignorance. |
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| 20:56.26 | wols | Pinhole: install xorg and xfce4 |
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| 20:56.56 | Pinhole | ok. Will it start X on startup or do I have to do something for that? |
| 20:57.14 | Pinhole | Do I have to tell it which desktop to use? |
| 20:57.40 | wols | it will use xfce and it probably installs a displaymanager. not totally sure tho |
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| 20:58.10 | Pinhole | ok |
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| 20:58.35 | wols | and by default, xfce4 will always start. unless you install anotehr desktop afterwards. then that will start by default. see man update-alternatives to change the default |
| 20:58.37 | webmind | ohai |
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| 20:59.19 | webmind | I've installed a debian system from a live stick, but sshd won't listen on any interface |
| 20:59.29 | webmind | I've never had that problem with a debian system before |
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| 21:00.14 | wols | what does netstat -anp|grep sshd say as root? |
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| 21:03.50 | webmind | wols, nothing |
| 21:04.06 | wols | webmind: ps aux |grep sshd |
| 21:04.14 | wols | all as root of course |
| 21:04.54 | webmind | only grep itself |
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| 21:06.02 | blubberdiblub | i think it should be logging to syslog or somewhere if it errs out and doesn't start. and why it doesn't start |
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| 21:07.54 | blubberdiblub | webmind, grep ssh /var/log/syslog /var/log/daemon.log |
| 21:08.45 | webmind | those files do not exist |
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| 21:09.47 | wols | webmind: dpkg -l |grep openssh-server |
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| 21:10.23 | webmind | wols, it's there :) |
| 21:11.03 | blubberdiblub | i wonder why the logfiles don't exist. wols, does rsyslog use files with different names? unfortunately i'm using syslog-ng here, so i'm not sure |
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| 21:11.38 | webmind | blubberdiblub, this only seems to happen on systems I install with the debian-live usbstick |
| 21:12.04 | wols | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:12.05 | webmind | other system with rsyslog just has them |
| 21:12.19 | webmind | wols, yes I get the idea it's not a proper debian system it installs :( |
| 21:12.20 | blubberdiblub | yeah, that's what i thought as well |
| 21:12.34 | wols | webmind: dpkg -l |grep sysklogd |
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| 21:13.15 | webmind | wols, nothing |
| 21:13.22 | webmind | it has rsyslogd |
| 21:13.44 | partner | what would be the proper way of mounting a network filesystem that uses fuse and would be simply configured to fstab as other similar client mounts? i have an issue on squeeze mounting any glusterfs volumes from fstab on boot unless i glue mount command to rc.local. to me it seems the fuse gets loaded too late but i might be wrong too.. |
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| 21:16.44 | blubberdiblub | webmind, service rsyslog status |
| 21:16.54 | webmind | if I just run sshd, it just works |
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| 21:17.21 | webmind | could not access PID file for rsyslogd ... failed! |
| 21:17.40 | webmind | I can do service rsyslog start |
| 21:17.49 | webmind | and it says ok, but then I get still failed |
| 21:18.12 | blubberdiblub | webmind, and: ps aux | grep syslog |
| 21:18.39 | webmind | only grep |
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| 21:21.01 | blubberdiblub | well, that's not good. i fear i'm not knowledgeable enough to debug properly why your rsyslog doesn't start. i'm not good with strace, let alone instructing someone to use it |
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| 21:21.11 | webmind | nothing seems to start |
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| 21:22.11 | wols | if you start rsyslog manually? |
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| 21:22.38 | burble | is there a way to bypass setting up apt in the installer? I'm running off wifi and I need to actually get to the desktop to install my wifi card. |
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| 21:23.01 | webmind | wols, just did |
| 21:23.16 | webmind | wols, but if I do service ssh start, it gets no entry in the syslog |
| 21:23.56 | blubberdiblub | but does it run after that? |
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| 21:26.22 | webmind | blubberdiblub, sshd? no |
| 21:26.37 | webmind | if I use service nothing starts |
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| 21:26.52 | webmind | if I run it manually, no problem |
| 21:27.36 | blubberdiblub | webmind, can you please try: sh -x /etc/init.d/rsyslog start |
| 21:27.36 | zerick | hi guys, why Samba3 + ldap was not an approach to Active Directory? |
| 21:27.43 | blubberdiblub | webmind, and paste the output? |
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| 21:29.17 | webmind | http://pastebin.com/vNtpPWc3 |
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| 21:31.34 | blubberdiblub | hmm, that looks like the script is ending successfully. or at least it thinks it ends successfully |
| 21:31.51 | webmind | yep |
| 21:31.56 | webmind | but nothing runs |
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| 21:33.59 | uski | hi; im having a very annoying issue; i can't select text on my screen |
| 21:34.15 | uski | everything works fine but i can't select text and i can't drag&drop or drag something on the screen with my mouse |
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| 21:34.25 | blubberdiblub | webmind, i'm sorry, i don't know how to continue debugging that. maybe someone else is more skilled in that |
| 21:36.35 | webmind | hmm, the binary start-stop-deamon is quite different, between this system and the normally functional debian system |
| 21:36.40 | webmind | both debian 6.0 |
| 21:38.03 | blubberdiblub | ah, that's interesting. is the binary very small? |
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| 21:42.19 | blubberdiblub | webmind, file $( which start-stop-daemon) |
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| 21:43.59 | webmind | /sbin/start-stop-daemon: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked (uses shared libs), for GNU/Linux 2.6.26, stripped |
| 21:46.04 | blubberdiblub | webmind, "debsums -c dpkg". if debsums is not installed, can you install it please? |
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| 21:46.20 | SEVEN | on that site: http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ , what's the difference between `wheezy Beta4 release' (images linked above) and `current weekly snapshot of Debian testing' (those linked below)? |
| 21:47.29 | jhutchins_wk | What's the command that shows which package a binary came from? |
| 21:47.52 | blubberdiblub | jhutchins_wk, dpkg -S /path/to/binary |
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| 21:48.10 | jhutchins_wk | blubberdiblub: For some reason that's just returning /path/to/binary |
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| 21:49.31 | jhutchins_wk | No, I'm an idiot. start-stop-daemon is part of dpkg. |
| 21:49.38 | jhutchins_wk | webmind: You could perhaps reinstall dpkg/ |
| 21:50.28 | blubberdiblub | yeah, that's why i asked him to "debsums -c dpkg". to verify the integrity of the dpkg package |
| 21:50.31 | webmind | jhutchins_wk, I tried that |
| 21:50.38 | webmind | hmm |
| 21:50.43 | webmind | now something is broken :( |
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| 21:53.22 | webmind | dpkg broken :) |
| 21:53.22 | dpkg | webmind: I wish you would RTFM. |
| 21:53.28 | webmind | lols |
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| 21:54.44 | Jckf | Can anyone tell me why line 16 in my extremely advanced firewall is invalid? http://pastie.org/5974201 |
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| 21:58.01 | SEVEN | can you please explain the difference between these two images? http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/wheezy_di_beta4/i386/iso-cd/debian-wheezy-DI-b4-i386-netinst.iso and http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/daily-builds/daily/arch-latest/i386/iso-cd/debian-testing-i386-netinst.iso ? |
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| 21:58.20 | webmind | re-install dpkg |
| 21:58.21 | webmind | fixed it |
| 21:58.35 | webmind | wtf devloped this debian-live stuff? |
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| 21:59.26 | webmind | *developed |
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| 21:59.55 | SEVEN | webmind: http://live.debian.net/project/team/ ? |
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| 22:00.22 | webmind | ah yes |
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| 22:05.50 | Arrowmaster | SEVEN: one was a specific point in time release, the other is the most recent version |
| 22:06.07 | SEVEN | Arrowmaster: thanks |
| 22:07.09 | Arrowmaster | the beta4 has some specific errors that should be fixed in the dailies, such as missing modules for a lot of wifi cards |
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| 22:10.55 | Pinhole | I installed xorg and xfce4, executed startx, and neither the keyboard nor the mouse work. What did I forget to do? |
| 22:11.12 | wols | normally nothing. should work just fine. check your Xorg.0.log |
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| 22:14.00 | Pinhole | It seems to have found both the keyboard and the mouse. I'm not finding any errors. |
| 22:14.15 | superstraw | Pinhole: older computer? |
| 22:14.27 | Pinhole | tablet |
| 22:14.34 | superstraw | ha cool. |
| 22:14.58 | Pinhole | kids broke the touch screen, so I decided to play with tablet linux. |
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| 22:20.59 | JNSamuel | debian vs ubuntu.. who wins? |
| 22:20.59 | JNSamuel | jk |
| 22:21.08 | [w_w] | Why is it Debian does not want to ship firefox? |
| 22:21.13 | epsilon | gentoo |
| 22:21.14 | harrison | debian all day man |
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| 22:21.32 | rombus1 | debian all the way |
| 22:21.32 | harrison | abtosid 4lyfe |
| 22:21.35 | JNSamuel | debian doesnt want to ship firefox? :O :O |
| 22:21.45 | JNSamuel | what do they ship instead |
| 22:21.49 | harrison | (aptosid is based on sid) |
| 22:22.00 | P-Chan | Hi guys. How to upgrade to testing? |
| 22:22.02 | [w_w] | iceweasel. which is the same... but not |
| 22:22.05 | rombus1 | Iceweasel |
| 22:22.24 | JNSamuel | oh yeah, some legal bs between debian and ff amirite? |
| 22:22.30 | harrison | which is actually a kind of weasel that lives high in the rockies |
| 22:22.30 | dondelelcaro | !tell [w_w] -about why iceweasel |
| 22:22.31 | P-Chan | apt-get distupgrade ? |
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| 22:23.02 | rombus1 | P-chan first you have to update the repos |
| 22:23.12 | rombus1 | the sources list |
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| 22:23.40 | P-Chan | rombus1: ok and after that? catch the gpg key? |
| 22:23.42 | JNSamuel | iceweasel is a 5 year older version of ff |
| 22:23.55 | JNSamuel | just compile it yourself |
| 22:24.22 | P-Chan | Well. Debian stable is very old for me, a normal user. I need testing for never format my HD again |
| 22:24.23 | rombus1 | hey P-Chan |
| 22:24.34 | rombus1 | I felt the same way about my squeeze |
| 22:24.37 | rombus1 | here's the guide |
| 22:24.41 | rombus1 | I've followed |
| 22:24.41 | rombus1 | http://www.garron.me/linux/upgrade-debian-squeeze-wheeze-6.0-7.0.html |
| 22:24.45 | rombus1 | to upgrade |
| 22:24.55 | rombus1 | but it broke my grub and my nvidia driver. |
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| 22:25.10 | rombus1 | I spend 2 days fixing it, but it was worthit |
| 22:25.17 | P-Chan | rombus1: thanks rombos รด arrombadu. |
| 22:25.28 | rombus1 | Hope it helps |
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| 22:26.55 | P-Chan | well I will just use this for live USB. I don't want download testing iso. If you see debian testing based distro, tell me. |
| 22:27.13 | rombus1 | crunchbang? |
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| 22:28.57 | fr0ggie | What is good way to verify image i just dd'd off a thumbdrive against the thumbdrive contents? cmp? |
| 22:29.31 | P-Chan | rombus1: crunchbang? Oh thanks I found Linux Mint Debian Edition. |
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| 22:36.29 | SiDz | i did that as root: useradd -o -u 0 r0ger genre |
| 22:36.43 | SiDz | -genre, sorry, i wonder how i can revert that |
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| 22:41.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | SiDz, well, can edit passwd/shadow with vipw and vipw -s |
| 22:41.40 | SiDz | yep just did that;p |
| 22:42.10 | SiDz | but with pico |
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| 22:42.51 | zooz | hi guys |
| 22:43.09 | zooz | is there a way to prevent a service from starting after package installation? |
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| 22:43.29 | SiDz | anyway to change the vipw editor? it use vim, i want it to use pico |
| 22:43.42 | zooz | not necessarily a service, it could anything which for whatever reason starts after a package in installed |
| 22:44.04 | buscon | hi |
| 22:44.14 | buscon | how can I ssh to a computer that has no public ip? |
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| 22:46.15 | ksk | !tell buscon about dyndns |
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| 22:46.37 | ksk | !tell buscon about no-ip |
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| 22:47.57 | buscon | the point is that I don't have access to the router, so I cannot port-forward a port |
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| 22:48.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | buscon, well, you cannot. What you can do... have the machine inside ssh to some host outside and tunnel a port back in |
| 22:48.58 | SEVEN | should 512MB RAM with no swapspace be enough for the base sysem to install? |
| 22:49.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | but that's hackish |
| 22:49.19 | buscon | CutMeOwnThroat: sounds like that :P |
| 22:49.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | buscon, or guess same if that machine is in some outside network via vpn, I guess |
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| 22:52.07 | ksk | SEVEN: without gui for sure. think with too, but can be a little slow depending on your windowmanager |
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| 22:56.21 | SEVEN | ksk: window manager? I was talking about installing a base system |
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| 22:58.04 | ksk | if you mean base like the base option in debian installer - yes it will run |
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| 22:58.47 | SEVEN | ksk: thanks |
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| 23:00.27 | xiaoy | SEVEN lxde works fine on my 500mb ram system |
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| 23:02.14 | marijica | http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m8g3qouans1rvxatvo1_500.gif |
| 23:02.43 | jhutchins_wk | buscon: Then you can't connect to it. |
| 23:03.08 | guilherme__ | marijica: NSFW tag pls |
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| 23:04.53 | buscon | jhutchins_wk: ok, thx |
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| 23:23.08 | phix | INIT: Id "c1" respawning too fast: disabled for 5 minutes |
| 23:23.38 | phix | Debian running in a LXC container |
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| 23:23.53 | phix | How do I tell it not to print those messages? |
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| 23:39.24 | KingMichael | Howdy folks |
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| 23:42.20 | jhutchins_wk | phix: You find out why it's respawining and fix it. |
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| 23:56.44 | phix | jhutchins_wk: yes maam |
| 23:57.37 | phix | jhutchins_wk: so does that happen to you as well when you run debian inside a LXC container/ |
| 23:57.40 | phix | ? |
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