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| 00:07.23 | qoreqyas | uglytermite: i guess thats because the symlink is removed because /dev is dynamic |
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| 00:08.30 | qoreqyas | uglytermite: you should check why it is named cdrom4 and change that to cdrom. |
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| 00:08.46 | qoreqyas | uglytermite: did you have /dev/cdrom _before_ you created the symlink? |
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| 00:10.56 | uglytermite | qoreqyas: no |
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| 00:11.21 | qoreqyas | uglytermite: is /dev/cdrom4 a symlink? is udev used? |
| 00:11.35 | qoreqyas | .oO(if it is a symlink where does it point to) |
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| 00:13.13 | uglytermite | qoreqyas: /dev/sr0.I upgrade udev and plan to reboot |
| 00:14.02 | qoreqyas | uglytermite: if udev is used have a look at /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-cd.rules && /lib/udev/write_cd_rules assuming your distribution uses the same files here like mine (wheezy) |
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| 00:16.26 | uglytermite | qoreqyas: that's the same |
| 00:16.49 | cardiel | someone know why i get poor quality on testing when playing videos? i have a gm965 intel gfx card |
| 00:18.15 | qoreqyas | cardiel: do you mean poor quality like in the picture looks bad, or is your system overloaded when you are playing the video? which player are you using, what does it tell you when you play it? |
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| 00:41.13 | drphitheta | Can anyone give me a quick rundown on setting up a music server? I have mpd installed and created the database, etc. I also opened the proper ports to my box. But when I try to connect, mpc -h <port> I get 'connection refused'. Any help? |
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| 00:43.14 | qoreqyas | drphitheta: did you do a sudo netstat -ntlp|grep $PORT||mpd (assuming mpd uses tcp) and is the port really opened? |
| 00:44.15 | drphitheta | Indeed, it is opened and LISTENing |
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| 00:44.34 | drphitheta | I can connect to the server when I ssh into the machine, so I know it's running |
| 00:45.27 | qoreqyas | drphitheta: is it a direct connection, or may it be a problem of NAT? |
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| 00:45.54 | drphitheta | qoreqyas: It's a direct connection, over wifi on my local network |
| 00:46.14 | themill | mpd normally only listens on localhost by default |
| 00:46.22 | qoreqyas | drphitheta: are you really using mpc -h $PORT? what is the full command you are typing? |
| 00:46.29 | drphitheta | themill: I changed the configs |
| 00:46.45 | drphitheta | on my laptop, mpc -h $PORT ls |
| 00:46.49 | themill | "connection refused" suggests not -- or that you did not restart mpd |
| 00:46.51 | drphitheta | gives connection refused |
| 00:46.53 | themill | !connection refused |
| 00:46.54 | dpkg | When a TCP connection (e.g. telnet somehost 80) gives the error "connection refused", it means that either the service in question is not running on the specified IP address at all (e.g. apache has died), or that a firewall has rejected your SYN packet and sent back a rejection packet to you. It's a VERY CLEAR, EXPLICIT error message and ALWAYS means one of those two things. |
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| 00:47.29 | drphitheta | Well, it's running for sure. I can connect on the server itself |
| 00:47.31 | qoreqyas | drphitheta: i guess its not -h $PORT but -h $HOST. what does mpc --help|grep -- -h show? |
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| 00:48.00 | themill | drphitheta: sure, and on the server you can connect to localhost so that's not a useful test. |
| 00:48.20 | drphitheta | themill: I know, but it shows the server is running |
| 00:48.25 | themill | ... |
| 00:48.35 | drphitheta | qoreqyas: I did do $HOST, not $PORT my bad |
| 00:48.47 | qoreqyas | drphitheta: and you are using the standard port? |
| 00:48.54 | drphitheta | 6600 yes |
| 00:49.42 | qoreqyas | drphitheta: so either it is not really listening or your firewall rejects the connection. |
| 00:50.20 | drphitheta | I have my firewall to port forward TCP packets on 6600 to $HOST |
| 00:50.45 | drphitheta | I don't have a local firewall, laptop or server |
| 00:50.58 | qoreqyas | drphitheta: you just told me its a direct connection, so why are you using DNAT? |
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| 00:51.24 | drphitheta | Perhaps I misunderstood, what exactly is a direct connection? |
| 00:52.16 | qoreqyas | drphitheta: well in this case its a connection without NAT (SNAT or DNAT) in between. both machines are on the same subnets. |
| 00:52.39 | drphitheta | qoreqyas: they are both connected to the same router |
| 00:53.14 | qoreqyas | drphitheta: are you using an IP Adress as $HOST? is it the one valid in your LAN? |
| 00:53.32 | drphitheta | it's a local ip 192.168.1.120 |
| 00:53.41 | drphitheta | yes it's valid, my server has a static ip |
| 00:53.43 | drphitheta | works with ssh |
| 00:53.50 | qoreqyas | so it has nothing to do with your router DNAT. |
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| 00:54.12 | drphitheta | hmm, don't the packets still travel through my router? |
| 00:54.12 | qoreqyas | paste iptables -vL && netstat -ntlp to pastebin and show link please. |
| 00:55.04 | qoreqyas | they travel through the the router, but not through the routing chains, just the switch (and WLAN <-> LAN). that all depends on the router though |
| 00:55.40 | drphitheta | What's a pasting client? debian doesn't seem to have wgetpaste |
| 00:56.13 | qoreqyas | lynx, w3m, links, iceweasel, chromium. thats what i would use |
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| 00:57.11 | qoreqyas | just learned sth. there is sth called pastebinit installed here :D |
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| 00:57.14 | echo083 | i just installed a fresh wheezy |
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| 00:57.56 | echo083 | man is using more so when reaching the end of the file it leaves how to force man to use the classic man file editor ? |
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| 00:58.39 | qoreqyas | echo083: aptitude install less |
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| 00:59.08 | echo083 | qoreqyas, ahhhh it should be installed by default :) |
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| 00:59.22 | echo083 | qoreqyas, it works :) thanks |
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| 01:00.12 | chris123 | anyone have any idea why my browser will not go to all websites? |
| 01:00.24 | qoreqyas | chris123: MTU |
| 01:00.30 | chris123 | ? |
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| 01:01.31 | qoreqyas | chris123: it could be a matter of a wrong MTU setting on the router. it could be something else as well though. maybe your DNS server is silly, maybe you got typos in the URLs. maybe your browser is silly. |
| 01:01.52 | drphitheta | I can't get it to paste, netstat shows tcp6(packet type?) |
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| 01:02.16 | drphitheta | and iptables is debian defaults, accept all |
| 01:02.20 | chris123 | no it will go to any website on ubuntu mint centOS and windows |
| 01:02.31 | chris123 | how do i change MTU\ |
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| 01:02.58 | qoreqyas | drphitheta: sudo netstat -ntlp|pastebinit |
| 01:03.35 | william_ | I had to add my disk into crypttab manually and it now prompts me for password, but for some reason it does not mount the filesystem afterwards. is there something I have to change about the start-up scripts or boot sequence? |
| 01:03.53 | drphitheta | qoreqyas: Error message changed, no route to host |
| 01:04.01 | chris123 | qoreqyas: and i know its not the browser it does it on chrome firefox and konqueror |
| 01:04.24 | qoreqyas | chris123: did you check dns? |
| 01:04.43 | qoreqyas | drphitheta: your server seems to have problems connection to that intarwebz |
| 01:05.08 | drphitheta | william_: did you use the partition names or mapper names in /etc/crypttab? |
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| 01:06.47 | Akuw | i want to configure Xorg so i can have best screen resolution, actually i have 1024 x 768 |
| 01:07.02 | qoreqyas | drphitheta: paste it to some msg to me, would that work? |
| 01:07.06 | edwed | If I was connected to a machine via ssh, and I wanted to give it a file from the computer I connected in from, how would I? |
| 01:07.23 | ksdncv | edwed scp |
| 01:07.23 | Dwarf | edwed: something with syncsomething |
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| 01:07.25 | qoreqyas | edwed: scp |
| 01:07.27 | Dwarf | Or that |
| 01:07.29 | Dwarf | Yea.. |
| 01:07.30 | edwed | Yes, but how? |
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| 01:07.34 | Dwarf | scp --help |
| 01:07.38 | edwed | Dwarf: I know it is scp. |
| 01:07.45 | qoreqyas | edwed: scp foo $user@$host: |
| 01:07.50 | edwed | I'm not sure the usage if I'm connected via ssh. |
| 01:08.42 | qoreqyas | edwed: on the machie you connected from. |
| 01:08.48 | qoreqyas | s/chie/chine/ |
| 01:08.58 | edwed | qoreqyas: I'm on boxa, I ssh into boxb, I want to give boxb a file from boxa |
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| 01:09.43 | qoreqyas | edwed: go back to boxa and do scp foo $user@$adress_boxb |
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| 01:10.00 | qoreqyas | edwed: with a ":" in the end, assuming you want the file in $HOME of $user |
| 01:10.09 | william_ | drinkycro: mappername1 /dev/part none luks in crypttab |
| 01:10.19 | drasko | hi all. I see many wireless networks but not my router. What can be the problem ? |
| 01:10.37 | edwed | qoreqyas: I know that usage of scp, just don't have scp on boxa :p gotta download a few kb :p |
| 01:10.38 | qoreqyas | .oO(otherwise type the path after the :, and please read man scp) |
| 01:11.15 | edwed | Wind causes slow downloads :p |
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| 01:11.33 | edwed | ty everyone |
| 01:11.36 | edwed | Thank you. |
| 01:11.47 | qoreqyas | edwed: do you have tar on boxa? |
| 01:11.55 | Dwarf | Alright, time for my question |
| 01:12.13 | Dwarf | Wait, I'll google it first |
| 01:12.16 | edwed | qoreqyas: :p |
| 01:12.17 | edwed | Dwarf: Shoot. |
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| 01:12.44 | Dwarf | Nah I'll google it first |
| 01:12.49 | Dwarf | Seems too easy to ask anyway |
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| 01:13.15 | Akuw | can`t find xorg.conf |
| 01:13.18 | chris123 | qoreqyas: no i am new to linux and i had someone helping me but he just kept saying my wireless card was bad |
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| 01:15.06 | qoreqyas | edwed: tar c $file|ssh $user@$boxb tar x |
| 01:15.44 | qoreqyas | chris123: do you know how you can check dns? |
| 01:15.45 | edwed | qoreqyas: Neat trik |
| 01:16.13 | qoreqyas | edwed: for ascii files you can also use cat $file|ssh $user@$boxb "cat > $file" |
| 01:16.22 | qoreqyas | dunno if that would work for binaries, guess not though |
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| 01:16.38 | edwed | qoreqyas: Prob not :p |
| 01:16.41 | chris123 | qoreqyas: no but i will have to reinstall debian before trying it reset my grub and i could not access mint so i fresh installed mint |
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| 01:18.48 | chris123 | qoreqyas: I just wanted some more insight before trying this again |
| 01:19.22 | qoreqyas | chris123: a little hint. if you want to try out distributions and thats why you installed debian check tldp.org and read |
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| 01:20.39 | qoreqyas | chris123: if you dont have the problems with other distributions though i guess its not the MTU, because you would have it with others too. |
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| 01:21.22 | qoreqyas | must be something specific setup in your debian. could be a lot. and it doesnt make sense to try to shoot in that haystack right now. |
| 01:21.41 | chris123 | qoreqyas: i don't like mint and i was using a custom debian running xfce. i loved it and it would be the only OS on my lappy but the connection problem. it does it with scientific linux aswell but mint and ubuntu run fine. |
| 01:22.58 | chris123 | qoreqyas: that was debian squeeze i also tried wheezy same problem. i just want it to work and i looked all over google and debian forums with no answers in sight. |
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| 01:23.40 | qoreqyas | chris123: as i told you, i cant help you as long as you dont have the problem right now, because we cannot debug it if its not present. |
| 01:24.48 | chris123 | i understand i guess i will have to get on one of my other computers and start the install again |
| 01:25.06 | pfred1 | chris123 what is the problem? |
| 01:25.16 | markovh | TIL there's only 80 or so debian maintainers... |
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| 01:26.47 | chris123 | pfred1: browser not going to all websites on squeeze or wheezy but works just fine on any other OS. |
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| 01:27.24 | pfred1 | chris123 have a URL? |
| 01:27.27 | qoreqyas | markovh: dm.txt shows 94 uniques, ack |
| 01:27.35 | pfred1 | I'd like to see this |
| 01:27.45 | markovh | ah it was a rough estimate based on the graph |
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| 01:27.57 | drasko | hi all. I see many networks, but I do not see my router. What can be the problem ? |
| 01:27.58 | markovh | qoreqyas: was that additions or total btw? |
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| 01:28.05 | markovh | because according to the graph it dipped |
| 01:28.18 | pfred1 | chris123 I had a problem with my browser turned out it was a corrupt cached font that was causing it |
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| 01:28.49 | pfred1 | wasa real pain to debug |
| 01:29.05 | pfred1 | once i deleted that cached font it worked fine |
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| 01:29.55 | chris123 | pfred1: this was with konqueror chrome and firefox. it will go to google yahoo facebook but that is about it. |
| 01:29.56 | qoreqyas | markovh: i downloaded dm.txt, did a grep Uid|sort|uniq|wc |
| 01:30.02 | qoreqyas | markovh: and it showed 94 lines. |
| 01:30.28 | pfred1 | chris123 sure you didn't select work offline in the menu? |
| 01:30.28 | qoreqyas | markovh: debian.org Developers LDAP Search Results shows Number of entries matched: 1743 |
| 01:30.41 | qoreqyas | markovh: so there are a lot more developers then maintainers. |
| 01:30.44 | markovh | i'm sure it's not important anyway, it's around abouts the 100 mark. i was way off. i thought there were multiple 100s or 1000s |
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| 01:30.53 | markovh | debian has a public ldap server? |
| 01:31.08 | qoreqyas | db.debian.org has a webgui |
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| 01:31.29 | markovh | interesting. browsing it now |
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| 01:31.51 | markovh | what the? some of them have shells |
| 01:32.02 | markovh | is this used for authentication? |
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| 01:32.09 | JohnnyL | Hi, i just put together a new Debian system, but after downloading firefox it doesn't recognize a a+x firefox binary at all (i can't execute it). What gives? |
| 01:32.11 | chris123 | pfred1: no i will pull up search results and the like but that is all click on a link and get a could not connect. |
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| 01:33.01 | qoreqyas | JohnnyL: where did you download firefox from and how did you install it? |
| 01:33.34 | pfred1 | chris123 I don't know enough about networking to come up with an explaination for that behavior |
| 01:33.46 | qoreqyas | markovh: idk, i just looked for a source for a list of maintainers||developers. |
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| 01:34.26 | chris123 | pfred1: i know nothing at all lol. the guy that was helping just kept saying it was a bad wifi card. |
| 01:34.51 | JohnnyL | i downloaded it from firefox. it picked the bzip2 or me. it didn't let me decide. |
| 01:35.00 | JohnnyL | it didn't even give me a choice. |
| 01:35.02 | JohnnyL | genius, right? |
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| 01:35.20 | pfred1 | chris123 have you tried it with a network cable plugged in? Often debugging is done through the process of elimination |
| 01:35.35 | qoreqyas | JohnnyL: lets just continue to the second question. how did you install it? |
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| 01:35.44 | pfred1 | I mean if you can narrow it down some it should be easier to figure out |
| 01:35.57 | JohnnyL | bzip2 -d firefox.bzip |
| 01:36.05 | JohnnyL | tar -xvf firefox |
| 01:36.08 | JohnnyL | cd firefox |
| 01:36.10 | JohnnyL | ./firefox |
| 01:36.20 | JohnnyL | it acts as if it isn't the4re |
| 01:36.22 | JohnnyL | there |
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| 01:36.27 | qoreqyas | please dont spam if you write multiple lines, seperate them by ; or use pastebin. |
| 01:36.35 | JohnnyL | right |
| 01:36.49 | chris123 | pfred1: yeah it does the same thing |
| 01:37.02 | pfred1 | chris123 then it isn't your wifi |
| 01:37.26 | qoreqyas | JohnnyL: what does ./firefox return? |
| 01:37.29 | JohnnyL | nothing |
| 01:37.31 | JohnnyL | a prompt |
| 01:37.34 | pfred1 | unless you left it on and your route defaulted to it |
| 01:37.51 | JohnnyL | no error, no display (this isn't unusual for linux), no nothing. |
| 01:38.32 | markovh | https://munin.debian.org/ user:dsa-guest no password |
| 01:38.35 | markovh | nice... |
| 01:38.39 | chris123 | pfred1: that is what i said then he said if you know much figure it out by yourself. then left me with an inoperable laptop. |
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| 01:39.05 | qoreqyas | JohnnyL: you really need firefox, you dont want iceweasel? |
| 01:39.41 | pfred1 | qoreqyas firefoxes are more cuddly than iceweasels |
| 01:40.12 | qoreqyas | markovh: cool |
| 01:40.17 | JohnnyL | qoreqyas: my user loves firefox. |
| 01:40.43 | JohnnyL | Debian can't run fixfox? is this on the box? |
| 01:40.47 | qoreqyas | JohnnyL: i didnt want you to justify ;) so you need firefox.. |
| 01:40.56 | JohnnyL | oh |
| 01:41.05 | qoreqyas | do you know what iceweasel is? |
| 01:41.13 | pfred1 | JohnnyL I run Firefox here |
| 01:41.21 | ctmjr | JohnnyL: try to cd into the firefox dir and run firefox |
| 01:41.55 | ctmjr | JohnnyL: not ./firefox |
| 01:42.13 | pfred1 | I had some trouble wit hJava with Firefox though recently but I managed to sort that out |
| 01:42.35 | qoreqyas | .oO(isnt he gone?) |
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| 01:42.58 | drasko | hi all, I can see some networks, but not my router on my Debian machine. On the windows machine router is visible and working. Where to look ? |
| 01:43.25 | pfred1 | yeah I don't know I always seem to manage to get the tar.bz for Firefox myself I never heard of a bzip file |
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| 01:44.02 | qoreqyas | tar.bz is a bzip file *sigh* |
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| 01:44.27 | qoreqyas | drasko: what software are you using to look for WLAN SSIDs? |
| 01:44.37 | pfred1 | qoreqyas .bzip file |
| 01:44.54 | qoreqyas | pfred1: did you ever see any .bzip file? |
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| 01:45.23 | pfred1 | qoreqyas no never the typical extention for a file simply bzipped is .bz |
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| 01:46.22 | qoreqyas | head -> table. |
| 01:46.28 | qoreqyas | gn8 folks, iam off, have a nice day |
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| 01:47.27 | pfred1 | qoreqyas 20:37 < JohnnyL> bzip2 -d firefox.bzip |
| 01:47.59 | qoreqyas | pfred1: 02:36 < JohnnyL> tar -xvf firefox |
| 01:48.13 | qoreqyas | i guess he didnt use full filenames. |
| 01:48.23 | pfred1 | I just tar xjvf |
| 01:48.49 | pfred1 | but then again Firefox works here |
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| 01:49.14 | qoreqyas | why dont you use some apt source? |
| 01:49.38 | pfred1 | I've built nightlies of Firefox |
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| 01:54.11 | pfred1 | I only have one little thing to do on this PC and it'll be setup perfect |
| 01:55.35 | pfred1 | I need to issue a command on boot to flip a kernel flag using rc.local is still legit isn't it? |
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| 02:27.09 | drasko | debian does not see my wireless router after update |
| 02:27.18 | drasko | Can it be Network Manager config ? |
| 02:27.24 | temporarybadge | can you connect to any other wireless networks? |
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| 02:30.39 | drasko | I see many networks |
| 02:30.50 | drasko | but they are all locked |
| 02:31.01 | drasko | windows machine sees and connects to the home router |
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| 02:31.31 | drasko | I just tried - I can connect to other WiFi networks |
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| 02:32.33 | qoreqyas | drasko: did you try switching channels? |
| 02:32.42 | qoreqyas | what exactly did you update? |
| 02:32.48 | qoreqyas | .oO(/me cant sleep, m00h) |
| 02:32.48 | drasko | qoreqyas, how to do this ? |
| 02:33.05 | qoreqyas | drasko: connect to webinterface of $router, goto wlan config and change the channel |
| 02:33.14 | drasko | I tried this |
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| 02:33.27 | drasko | changed from 11 to 1 |
| 02:33.35 | drasko | Did not work |
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| 02:34.51 | drasko | qoreqyas, which channel would be reccomended ? |
| 02:35.08 | qoreqyas | drasko: the channel which isnt used and which is the most in the middle. |
| 02:35.23 | qoreqyas | which standard are you using? |
| 02:35.45 | drasko | what do you mean ? |
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| 02:36.31 | drasko | qoreqyas, how to check which channel is not used ? |
| 02:37.20 | qoreqyas | drasko: i would use kismet for that. |
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| 02:37.52 | qoreqyas | drasko: sometimes routers/WLAN APs have a possibility for that too |
| 02:38.12 | qoreqyas | i meant 802.11a/b/g/n |
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| 02:41.15 | drasko | qoreqyas, it worked fine before update from squeeze to wheezy |
| 02:41.33 | drasko | I bet it is a config somewhere |
| 02:41.47 | drasko | because I see all other networks |
| 02:41.51 | drasko | except mine |
| 02:42.33 | drasko | maybe it has to do something withwpa_supplicant... |
| 02:42.59 | qoreqyas | drasko: did you try setting up /etc/network/interfaces by your own, or what piece of software are you using to configure networks? |
| 02:43.33 | drasko | qoreqyas, I use Gnome |
| 02:43.47 | drasko | did not try to set interfaces by my own |
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| 02:44.14 | drasko | but the card can not detect router even with iwlist wlan0 scan |
| 02:44.49 | qoreqyas | is the SSID cloaked? |
| 02:45.06 | drasko | qoreqyas, what do you mean ? |
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| 02:46.42 | qoreqyas | drasko: you can setup the SSID to be cloaked. which means the router wont send ssid broadcasts and the network wont be visible |
| 02:46.45 | drasko | It should not be... Windows machine on the same desk detects home router |
| 02:46.55 | qoreqyas | ok, just wanted to make sure |
| 02:47.24 | qoreqyas | i dont have any experience with iwlist wlan0 scan || gnome. i setup /etc/network/interfaces on my own the whole time. |
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| 02:47.54 | qoreqyas | i kindof recommened that to you, iam here to help if you need help |
| 02:47.58 | drasko | ok, let me try |
| 02:48.08 | philluminati | \quit |
| 02:48.25 | qoreqyas | immanentize the eschaton! |
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| 02:52.57 | extrados | Whenever I boot my computer, I have to ssh in and 'moprobe lcd' before the screen will work. That's a udev problem, right? |
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| 02:54.09 | abrotman | and if you put it in /etc/modules ? |
| 02:54.10 | zykotick9 | extrados: personally, i'd try adding lcd to your /etc/modules file myself |
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| 02:54.47 | extrados | Isn't udev the preferred solution? |
| 02:55.09 | abrotman | do you know of a way to force udev to load a module? |
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| 02:55.44 | extrados | I don't know much at all about udev. Why isn't it loading automatically? |
| 02:56.47 | abrotman | i'd just try it in /etc/modules first |
| 02:57.00 | extrados | Okay, will do |
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| 03:02.17 | extrados | /etc/modules worked. Thanks |
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| 03:04.12 | drasko | wpa_supplicant[8972]: Failed to initialize driver 'nl80211' |
| 03:04.23 | drasko | error> [1359851758.719482] [nm-device-wifi.c:2590] real_update_permanent_hw_address(): (wlan0): unable to read permanent MAC address (error 0) |
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| 03:06.14 | qoreqyas | drasko: pastebinit /etc/network/interfaces please |
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| 03:09.33 | drasko | qoreqyas, I thing it is not going to work this way, since wpa_supplicant.conf demands ssid |
| 03:09.38 | drasko | and ssid is not visible |
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| 03:12.23 | drasko | #auto wlan0 |
| 03:12.24 | drasko | allow-hotplug wlan0 |
| 03:12.25 | drasko | iface wlan0 inet dhcp |
| 03:12.25 | drasko | <PROTECTED> |
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| 03:13.00 | qoreqyas | drasko: thats what i meant when i was talking about ssid cloaking |
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| 03:20.55 | qoreqyas | drasko: ap_scan && scan_ssid may be your friend |
| 03:21.02 | qoreqyas | (option for wpa_supplicant config file) |
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| 03:23.20 | mnuhmnuh | drasko: fyi, I've no mention of wifi interface in /etc/netwok/interfaces ; network manager's all that's needed here |
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| 03:25.33 | qoreqyas | just prefers using config files and non gui stuff |
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| 03:31.54 | P-CHAN | who is more stable. Debian Sid or Ubuntu? |
| 03:32.04 | homes | heh |
| 03:32.10 | homes | squeeze. |
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| 03:32.14 | P-CHAN | homes: hi homes |
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| 03:32.46 | P-CHAN | homes: squeeze is old. |
| 03:33.05 | P-CHAN | For business we must use the latest |
| 03:33.16 | homes | then your business will probably be unstable |
| 03:33.40 | abrotman | P-CHAN: depends on your usage .. try them both |
| 03:34.00 | P-CHAN | homes: well I like to use the latest stable |
| 03:34.14 | P-CHAN | bug fix, updates |
| 03:34.21 | et | using stable and backporting what you really need is usually the way to go |
| 03:34.58 | P-CHAN | well unstable crashes easily? |
| 03:35.07 | homes | sometimes |
| 03:35.10 | P-CHAN | et: backports? tell me more |
| 03:35.43 | homes | what is your business doing |
| 03:35.53 | P-CHAN | homes: ok. thanks for the support. but does backports has the latest stable? |
| 03:36.19 | homes | much easier if you tell us what you're doing, and less confusing |
| 03:37.18 | P-CHAN | homes: I use mint/ubuntu bacause it has ppa and the LTS is more stable, but I want try debian but with the latest stable software |
| 03:37.30 | P-CHAN | I am on SId now |
| 03:38.46 | P-CHAN | If i use backports, can I use the latest stable? |
| 03:38.56 | LtL | \o/ |
| 03:38.57 | et | P-CHAN: you need the notion that "stable" is some universal thing out of your head |
| 03:39.00 | homes | that's cool, though i want to know what your goal is. this a business desktop? a cluster of DNS or web servers? |
| 03:39.03 | et | +to get |
| 03:39.37 | P-CHAN | homes: well. design, text editor, webmessages, games |
| 03:39.57 | et | games are really important for business computers |
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| 03:40.05 | P-CHAN | et: too |
| 03:40.53 | homes | design what? |
| 03:41.34 | P-CHAN | homes: design dude... logo, webdesign etc etc etc |
| 03:41.35 | P-CHAN | :P |
| 03:42.00 | homes | you could be designing traffic lights for all i know... |
| 03:42.14 | P-CHAN | I heard ubuntu use sid |
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| 03:42.24 | homes | so, sounds like you need the gimp, vim, pidgin and nethack |
| 03:42.47 | P-CHAN | homes: yes. inkscape too and blender 3d |
| 03:42.58 | P-CHAN | And i need use the latest |
| 03:43.13 | homes | then compiling from source is your best option |
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| 03:43.59 | P-CHAN | homes: Why ? Does sid use the latest stable package made for developers? |
| 03:44.08 | homes | nope |
| 03:45.22 | P-CHAN | homes: who debian use the latest stable? |
| 03:45.26 | P-CHAN | testing? |
| 03:45.49 | homes | commonly, it is the latest though. [wonder if anyone has metrics on how close sid tracks overall to upstream releases?] |
| 03:46.53 | P-CHAN | Does Ubuntu Debian Sid? |
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| 03:47.25 | eikenberry | Ubuntu pulls from debian sid at the start of their dev cycle for each release. |
| 03:47.43 | eikenberry | They have forks and additional packages they add on top. |
| 03:47.46 | homes | if you must absolutely need the latest all the time, if on monday a new version of inkscape is released, you do not know how long before it will make it into sid, or testing, or stable, depends on the software and the debian maintainer |
| 03:47.58 | homes | you can however compile it yourself on monday |
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| 03:48.18 | P-CHAN | "The sid repositories updates every 6 hours" |
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| 03:48.29 | abrotman | no |
| 03:49.07 | P-CHAN | abrotman: no? http://forums.mate-desktop.org/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=1511#p4245 |
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| 03:50.17 | abrotman | P-CHAN: MATE isn't even in Debian |
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| 03:51.45 | P-CHAN | abrotman: well guys. what is the best version for normal user? Testing or Unstable? |
| 03:51.50 | homes | you will probably find you don't need the latest software, if you are currently getting work done on blender now, and a new version comes out, that does not mean your now old version of blender is unusable |
| 03:52.09 | abrotman | P-CHAN: if you have to ask, wheezy, not testing or unstable |
| 03:52.30 | DrakkenWarr | ^^ |
| 03:52.32 | DrakkenWarr | agreed |
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| 03:52.54 | DrakkenWarr | I personally love sid. But I also upgrade carefully and don't mind fixing issues |
| 03:54.07 | P-CHAN | homes: I think not |
| 03:54.35 | P-CHAN | the latest has bug fixes and new features. Gimp in stable is very old and obsolete |
| 03:54.47 | P-CHAN | Does backport has the latest? |
| 03:54.57 | mnuhmnuh | P-CHAN: testing! you help Debian by running testing. |
| 03:55.02 | abrotman | not testing ... |
| 03:55.06 | abrotman | *wheezy* |
| 03:55.12 | homes | mnuhmnuh: if he puts in sensible bug reports :\ |
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| 03:56.03 | abrotman | ... |
| 03:56.04 | homes | some people hurt debian by running testing/unstable [stable was too old so used testing/unstable and it broke! debian sucks!] |
| 03:56.15 | mnuhmnuh | homes: picky, picky, ... |
| 03:56.25 | homes | true story |
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| 03:56.45 | P-CHAN | homes: Ubuntu is debian sid and I never had problem with it |
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| 03:56.59 | P-CHAN | I use LTS |
| 03:57.06 | et | no, ubuntu isn't debian sid |
| 03:57.07 | abrotman | no, Ubuntu is NOT sid |
| 03:57.07 | eikenberry | P-CHAN. Ubuntu is based on sid... it is not sid. |
| 03:57.36 | kleanchap | Is it possible to sandbox applications on Debian? |
| 03:57.45 | homes | P-CHAN: using LTS seems to go contrary to needing the latest of everything |
| 03:57.46 | abrotman | !tell kleanchap about chroot |
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| 03:58.52 | P-CHAN | homes: but i can install the latest with ppa or debian packages made by companies. for example skype and google chrome |
| 03:59.17 | abrotman | uses skype for web design |
| 03:59.27 | P-CHAN | abrotman: LOL |
| 03:59.35 | abrotman | lolololololol |
| 03:59.47 | Eckles | reaps abrotman |
| 04:00.13 | homes | goes to clean the mould out of the shower |
| 04:00.21 | Eckles | .. nice |
| 04:00.30 | kleanchap | abrotman: Is there sandboxing using selinux to protect user from vulnerable applications using bad data? |
| 04:00.31 | Eckles | cillit bang and the job is done |
| 04:00.59 | P-CHAN | the problem of the stable is... stable uses the old softwares. for example the iceweasel of stable isn't supported by gmail |
| 04:01.22 | Eckles | why would you want a sandbox for linux, unless you're creating some exploits to knock off government websites |
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| 04:02.07 | homes | kleanchap: you might want to look at these techonologies: selinux, apparmour, grsec, tomoyo, then in terms of containing applications...openvz,vserver,lxc,kvm,xen |
| 04:02.24 | Eckles | or sandboxie in wine |
| 04:02.26 | Eckles | lmao |
| 04:02.27 | Eckles | jk |
| 04:03.21 | homes | Eckles: given we are in the age of trivially exploitable websites, seems sensible in some cases |
| 04:03.23 | kleanchap | I want to protect my system from malware which seems to be increasing. |
| 04:03.32 | P-CHAN | If debian stable is the best option, why ubuntu is Sid based? |
| 04:04.14 | Eckles | but a linux user should be more catious of what not to visit/download |
| 04:04.19 | kleanchap | homes: Thnx for the info! |
| 04:05.32 | homes | kleanchap: step one: identify vectors for malware [you'll probably find this is mostly just your browser on debian], step two: find a solution [you may try something minor like running your browser as another user, or more serious - run it in a VM] |
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| 04:06.05 | homes | switching to a browser with less holes is a good option, but one tends to lose functionality |
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| 04:07.06 | mnuhmnuh | P-CHAN: why do you need to run latest/bleeding edge? Hardware's the only reason for doing that. |
| 04:07.38 | kleanchap | homes: I am already doing all that. I guess I want to add more security to my system, |
| 04:08.01 | homes | i do like xxxterm as a browser, seems more security orientated than many |
| 04:08.56 | P-CHAN | mnuhmnuh: because dude gimp supports 16 and 32 bits channel in the latest. The gimp package for debian stable is very old |
| 04:09.27 | P-CHAN | the latest gimp has photoshop like interface |
| 04:09.42 | homes | kleanchap: openbsd is an ok desktop :) |
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| 04:10.16 | P-CHAN | the latest firefox, google chrome, iceweasel and all is the latest flash plugin and is supported by google in the gmail |
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| 04:10.59 | kleanchap | I am worried about embedded malware. If you download a pdf file with malware (although not prevalent) then the application (xpdf or others) will activate the malware. |
| 04:11.46 | P-CHAN | debian stable is good for servers because nobody will use as desktop |
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| 04:12.07 | kleanchap | homes: I was thinking about freebsd but but can settle for openbsd. |
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| 04:12.14 | homes | hell viewing an image might get you infected |
| 04:12.37 | dvs | P-CHAN: I use Deb 6.0 as a desktop |
| 04:13.29 | mnuhmnuh | P-CHAN: okay, you've got a reason. is it valid? 16 vs. 32 bits in gimp gets you ... what? Honest, I don't know. |
| 04:13.31 | kleanchap | I believe DARPA has invested a lot of sandboxing and other security features into freebsd since 2000. |
| 04:13.45 | P-CHAN | dvs: for what? compile things? As a black screen. dvs how you survive with outdated webrowsers? |
| 04:13.47 | homes | kleanchap: might want to ponder the idea of something that isn't x86 too, it'll make the typical buffer overflow -> arbitrary execution of code exploits that are seen out there, much less effective |
| 04:14.02 | dvs | !tell P-CHAN about mdn |
| 04:14.27 | P-CHAN | dvs: what is mdn |
| 04:14.48 | dvs | P-CHAN: Didn't dpkg send you a message? |
| 04:15.11 | homes | i am making an assumption that the architectures are sufficiently diverse that it wouldn't work, but i'm just guessing there! |
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| 04:15.41 | Devastator | P-CHAN there are ways to have updated webbrowsers with debian.. |
| 04:15.59 | kleanchap | homes: Thnx for the ideas! Now I am to get some z z z's. |
| 04:16.01 | belundger | proxmox is a pretty neat distro for virtualizaiton, its somewhat similar to vmware |
| 04:16.02 | sisana | someone here have a minimal kernel .config to share with me? |
| 04:16.11 | belundger | believe its based on debian too |
| 04:16.20 | P-CHAN | dvs: yes and dvs: and do you tested the latest gimp? Devastator compiling |
| 04:16.34 | P-CHAN | Devastator: do you like compile right |
| 04:16.42 | dvs | P-CHAN: I don't use gimp |
| 04:16.45 | Devastator | P-CHAN nope, I use backports.. |
| 04:17.05 | P-CHAN | Devastator: backports |
| 04:17.18 | zykotick9 | wonders why people choose to use distros "based on debian" when debian exists.. |
| 04:17.28 | P-CHAN | Devastator: does VLC 2.0.5 in backports? |
| 04:17.54 | Devastator | if not, you can backport yourself if deps are satisfiable |
| 04:17.55 | P-CHAN | zykotick9: because valve supports ubuntu only |
| 04:19.00 | Devastator | P-CHAN not true |
| 04:19.17 | P-CHAN | Ok... I will remove the debian sid and I will install the stable with backports. Saline OS |
| 04:19.37 | sisana | someone here have a minimal kernel .config for kvm machine to share with me? |
| 04:19.47 | mnuhmnuh | kleanchap: you lazy !@#$%^&*. We're just getting started! :-) |
| 04:20.02 | Devastator | Saline OS? |
| 04:20.15 | P-CHAN | Devastator: no? Ok wait valve work in debian |
| 04:20.28 | P-CHAN | Devastator: yes. SAline is debian stable |
| 04:20.40 | P-CHAN | the installer is easies |
| 04:20.46 | Devastator | another debian based? |
| 04:20.48 | Devastator | god.. |
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| 04:21.05 | Devastator | you do like to suffer.. |
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| 04:21.45 | dvs | Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery.... |
| 04:22.06 | P-CHAN | Devastator: install pure debian is hard dude. |
| 04:22.19 | Devastator | really? I take 10 minutes |
| 04:22.44 | P-CHAN | Devastator: I need configure the dns. |
| 04:23.12 | P-CHAN | Ok. we suffer with ubuntu because ubuntu and saline os is harder |
| 04:23.12 | Devastator | there is manual config under configure network |
| 04:23.19 | P-CHAN | debian is easier |
| 04:23.47 | Devastator | if you want to use debian based distros, use their support then.. |
| 04:24.01 | P-CHAN | ok |
| 04:24.11 | P-CHAN | bye |
| 04:24.15 | P-CHAN | :* |
| 04:24.29 | Devastator | also, if you can't use pure debian, give up on linux, please |
| 04:24.36 | Devastator | do yourself that favour |
| 04:25.06 | P-CHAN | Devastator: ok I will tell it for all modern users |
| 04:25.12 | P-CHAN | ok goodbye |
| 04:25.35 | Devastator | I'm modern |
| 04:25.51 | Devastator | it just works, period. |
| 04:25.53 | dvs | Im hip, groovy |
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| 04:42.38 | sisana | someone know a website to upload a file and gives me a real link ? |
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| 04:55.22 | r00ster99 | I've installed debian 6.0.6 on a desktop and I can just barely hear the sound when I put my speakers to the max.. does anyone know what I can do to make them work at a decent level? |
| 04:57.26 | Tinybird | sisana, dropbox? |
| 04:58.42 | Tinybird | sisana, https://www.dropbox.com |
| 05:00.03 | zykotick9 | r00ster99: i'd suggest first opening alsamixer and verifying Master, PCM, Front, (perhaps others) are turned up... good luck. |
| 05:00.33 | Tinybird | r00ster99, since you have shared so little about your problem, it's hard for us too help you |
| 05:00.36 | sisana | Tinybird: they offer direct link for ur upload? |
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| 05:01.20 | Tinybird | r00ster99, If you are using Gnome, I recommend you to try Gnome ALSA Mixer |
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| 05:02.02 | Tinybird | Yes, as a new user, you have 2 GB free space |
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| 05:04.20 | Tinybird | sisana, the most powerful trait of dropbox is that you can syncronize your files anywhere |
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| 05:07.56 | zykotick9 | r00ster99: keep it in channel please. alsamixer is in alsa-utils package. |
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| 05:29.40 | enyawix1 | what package provides dhclient. "aptitude search dhclient" returned nothing |
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| 05:30.47 | zykotick9 | enyawix1: looks like it's isc-dhcp-client. you aptitude search is incorrect BTW. |
| 05:33.05 | zykotick9 | enyawix1: i shouldn't say "incorrect" but it's probably not searching the way you think it is. |
| 05:34.17 | enyawix1 | sometimes debian works in mysterious ways |
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| 05:36.20 | zykotick9 | enyawix1: using "apt-cache search foo" searches package names as well as descriptions. your aptitude search was not. |
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| 05:37.07 | enyawix1 | zykotick9: thanks that was correct package |
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| 05:41.24 | dsdeiz | hey all, i'm using find . -name "*.ext" -printf "%f\n" to print a list of files with a known extension. how do i then check if these files exist in another directory? say /path/to/foo? |
| 05:42.15 | pmo | hmm anyone else got this too? |
| 05:42.19 | pmo | W: Failed to fetch bzip2:/var/lib/apt/lists/partial/http.debian.net_debian_dists_wheezy_contrib_binary-i386_Packages Hash Sum mismatch |
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| 05:48.52 | Tinybird | dsdeiz, for each_file in $your_files; do |
| 05:49.25 | Dewi | dsdeiz: the output of the original 'find' command should be relative paths, so you can prepend other stuff to them |
| 05:49.48 | Tinybird | if [ -f $each_file ] then |
| 05:49.55 | Dewi | dsdeiz: just means choosing an appropriate initial location |
| 05:50.01 | Tinybird | echo "$each_file" |
| 05:50.28 | dsdeiz | Dewi: yeah but i only need to compare the basename |
| 05:50.47 | dsdeiz | also not sure how to prepend the /path/to/foo on its output |
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| 05:51.08 | dsdeiz | something like ... | xargs ls /path/to/foo/{output of find} |
| 05:51.18 | Dewi | dsdeiz: you can put it in the printf |
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| 05:51.25 | dsdeiz | ahhh |
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| 05:53.03 | Dewi | dsdeiz: xargs can also do it but it means figuring out -I or, as it my preference, using xargs to launch bash |
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| 05:54.46 | dsdeiz | i did find ... -exec "{}" \; although -exec is using the original output instead of the one from printf |
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| 05:59.05 | Dewi | dsdeiz: yeah that'll work too, but exec also seems tricky to me |
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| 05:59.53 | dsdeiz | with xargs is better? |
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| 06:03.28 | sisana | my ps xa output looks like that http://paste.debian.net/231342/ how to make it looks like it http://paste.debian.net/231343/ ??? |
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| 06:05.26 | sisana | and the first machine is running almost nothing... while the second is shorter and running lots of things |
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| 06:07.16 | dsdeiz | ah nvm, got it to work now. thanks |
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| 06:28.21 | thomasd | hello |
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| 06:34.23 | thomasd | I thought I would need to create the rc?.d links manually, so I did, but the update-rc.d doesn't work any better ... |
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| 06:36.24 | Simy | I've been having a very difficult time getting my wireless logitech H600 working with pulse audio. I can use the mic, but I cant hear anything, pauvcontrol shows that sounds are playing, and if I go into the configuration section and set it to analog stereo output it works fine, its just when i have output and input that it doesnt work. Another USB headset from logitech (wired G330) works for input and output. Is there something I'm missing here? Headset works in |
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| 06:38.23 | Simy | I'm running Wheezy |
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| 06:51.44 | poisonarms | Can anyone please tell me the difference in all of the images on the download page at http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.6/i386/iso-cd/ ? Which .iso is needed to simply install Debian? |
| 06:51.47 | Konomi | thomasd: is it possible /etc/rc.local is what you are looking for? |
| 06:51.54 | Konomi | cat it and read what it says |
| 06:52.35 | homes | poisonarms: you just need the netinst to do a base debian install [no x] |
| 06:52.59 | poisonarms | homes, this one? http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.6/i386/iso-cd/debian-6.0.6-i386-netinst.iso |
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| 06:56.38 | homes | poisonarms: looks fine, though if you're burning a cd anyway and have the bandwidth, you could get cd1 instead |
| 06:56.50 | poisonarms | homes, thank you. |
| 06:56.59 | homes | CD-1, that is, |
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| 08:03.36 | qoreqyas | good morning dear unisexes! |
| 08:04.22 | tumors | O |
| 08:04.25 | tumors | I'm asexual |
| 08:04.37 | tumors | Didn't this channel move to oftc once? Theres a popular channel on oftc too |
| 08:04.38 | tumors | Do we have two channels? |
| 08:05.49 | qoreqyas | whats oftc? |
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| 08:07.56 | qoreqyas | nm |
| 08:08.48 | tumors | qoreqyas: a network kinda like Freenode |
| 08:09.24 | tumors | Oh I'm reading the wiki maybe this'll tell me |
| 08:09.46 | tumors | "The hostname irc.debian.org is an alias for irc.oftc.net." |
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| 08:10.38 | tumors | http://www.debian.org/News/2006/20060604 |
| 08:10.43 | tumors | So we're all on the old channel |
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| 08:13.19 | qoreqyas | i just took a look there, ~400 users. here are ~1200 |
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| 08:14.16 | tumors | Does the Xchat included with Debian take you to this channel or the other one? |
| 08:14.23 | tumors | thats weird, oh well |
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| 09:33.22 | eryn_1983_fl_m | Hi |
| 09:34.46 | eryn_1983_fl_m | OK peeps what is the first thing. You do when you get a new apparently server from another team? |
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| 09:35.12 | eryn_1983_fl_m | Especially when you get no docs |
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| 09:42.27 | ouf | hello everyone, is there any "wifi" modem-router having 30dBm of signal strength ? and can those modem-routers act like a switch (since they generally have 4 rj45 ports)? |
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| 09:47.35 | dawud | ouf: absolutely offtopic, why not checking in #openwrt? |
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| 09:48.21 | ouf | ok thans dawud (shukran), and sorry |
| 09:48.41 | dawud | ouf: no problem (la shukram) |
| 09:48.51 | somethinginteres | Trying to update my system synaptic says "Release file for http://ftp.au.debian.org/debian/dists/testing/InRelease is expired (invalid since 3d 1h 28min 16s). Updates will not be applied." |
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| 09:49.58 | dawud | somethinginteres: so update first, from the command line issue 'apt-get update' or 'aptitude update', don't know about synaptic (there must be a botton somewhere) |
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| 09:50.45 | somethinginteres | dawud: there is such a button. The error appears when pressing that button. |
| 09:51.07 | dawud | somethinginteres: apt-get clean and apt-get update |
| 09:51.31 | dawud | eryn_1983_fl_m: with softare already installed that you must give support for? |
| 09:51.47 | dawud | software* |
| 09:52.06 | somethinginteres | dawud: no errors on apt-get clean but apt-get update presents the same error as the synaptic GUI |
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| 09:52.39 | eryn_1983_fl_m | Yup |
| 09:52.54 | eryn_1983_fl_m | The answer is an audit!!! |
| 09:53.16 | eryn_1983_fl_m | I about wanted to cry when this said |
| 09:53.20 | dawud | somethinginteres: try another mirror |
| 09:53.31 | eryn_1983_fl_m | Sysadmin |
| 09:53.40 | somethinginteres | dawud: will do. |
| 09:54.02 | dawud | somethinginteres: report back if you succeed, please |
| 09:54.03 | eryn_1983_fl_m | Didn't know the state of the box the users |
| 09:54.10 | eryn_1983_fl_m | Software etc |
| 09:54.12 | somethinginteres | dawud: sure thing. |
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| 09:54.30 | eryn_1983_fl_m | Sounded like a moron on the phone LOL |
| 09:55.04 | dawud | eryn_1983_fl_m: what is that server actually serving? |
| 09:55.19 | eryn_1983_fl_m | Alps people |
| 09:55.27 | eryn_1983_fl_m | Apparently |
| 09:55.29 | dawud | eryn_1983_fl_m: can't parse that |
| 09:55.33 | eryn_1983_fl_m | LOL |
| 09:55.41 | eryn_1983_fl_m | Apparently |
| 09:55.50 | eryn_1983_fl_m | Apparently |
| 09:56.01 | eryn_1983_fl_m | Apps |
| 09:56.19 | eryn_1983_fl_m | Propier3 |
| 09:56.24 | eryn_1983_fl_m | Ahhhg |
| 09:56.48 | eryn_1983_fl_m | Proprietary |
| 09:58.27 | dawud | eryn_1983_fl_m: I'll definitely try to reinstall from scratch (previous backup of propietary apps and data) using a templated preseed + puppet modules |
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| 09:58.46 | eryn_1983_fl_m | LOL |
| 09:58.58 | dawud | eryn_1983_fl_m: and after that, proceed with an audit on the apps |
| 09:59.16 | eryn_1983_fl_m | They cold at least of done a winaudit |
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| 09:59.42 | eryn_1983_fl_m | I was talking about work |
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| 09:59.58 | luminous | hello! I appear to be stuck in some weird dependency mess with apt and xorg. I would greatly appreciate help resolving this as I am confused and getting frustrated. I'm tryin to install xserver-xorg-video-ati and get a bunch of really annoying "how do you want to resolve this problem" sort of questions, none really getting what I want (that package installed). there is one option to install -video-mach64 and -video-radeon and -video-ati, but this |
| 10:00.52 | dawud | luminous: paste.debian.net the whole output |
| 10:01.07 | BenNZ | luminous: how are you trying install , ie whats the exact command |
| 10:01.24 | luminous | aptitude install xserver-xorg-ati |
| 10:01.29 | luminous | aptitude install xserver-xorg-video-ati |
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| 10:01.49 | luminous | dawud: that'd be quite difficult... any suggestions on how to capture that? I'm stuck in the console |
| 10:01.59 | luminous | I can paste using api and cli tools |
| 10:02.05 | luminous | but I don't know how to grab that output |
| 10:02.12 | luminous | it's all interactive |
| 10:02.21 | dawud | luminous: try using the interactive aptitude curses interface to see what's broken |
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| 10:02.39 | luminous | I don't really know what to explore there, or how to do it |
| 10:02.40 | BenNZ | luminous: you could install pastebinit , then aptitude install xserver-xorg-video-ati | pastebinit |
| 10:03.09 | luminous | will that still paste my interactive stuff? |
| 10:03.10 | empiric | guys i want to use sftp on debian for production is it fine as per security things or i should go with windows |
| 10:03.20 | luminous | empiric: wtf? |
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| 10:03.37 | luminous | empiric: use sftp, why on earth would you go with windows? |
| 10:04.06 | luminous | empiric: the sftp from openssh? if so, do you know who writes openssh? |
| 10:04.29 | dawud | linduxed: openBSD |
| 10:04.41 | dawud | luminous: ^^ |
| 10:04.48 | luminous | dawud: I know, I was asking empiric |
| 10:04.48 | dawud | linduxed: sorry |
| 10:05.09 | linduxed | it's ok |
| 10:05.20 | luminous | dawud: hence my wtf.. if you know about openssh, there's no question.. |
| 10:05.35 | dawud | empiric: also, good luck implementing sftp on windows |
| 10:06.00 | dawud | empiric: you might use cygwin, but performance is poor compared to native GNU/Linux |
| 10:06.05 | luminous | empiric: if you set it up correctly, you could chroot your sftp users to their home directories, and even limit them to sftp only, so no other ssh or commands available |
| 10:06.21 | luminous | empiric: and you could have that setup in less time than installing windows |
| 10:06.47 | luminous | dawud: will pastebinit handle my interactive session with cli aptitude? |
| 10:07.01 | dawud | luminous: nope |
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| 10:07.22 | luminous | so I'm not sure how to show you all the details there |
| 10:07.43 | luminous | this all makes me miss openbsd a whole lot.. |
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| 10:08.25 | dawud | luminous: either try to use the interactive interface to resolve broken packages, or use the CLI tool and paste the output |
| 10:08.48 | luminous | again, the problem is that I have to answer a bunch of interactive questions |
| 10:09.25 | luminous | how do you go about using the ncurses interface to resolve broken packages? |
| 10:09.45 | dawud | luminous: ok, if you need to do some advanced capturing, go with screen and log the whle output, then you can pastebinit |
| 10:10.06 | luminous | that's a great idea. I ought to be able to do that in tmux too |
| 10:10.13 | dawud | luminous: yes |
| 10:11.48 | dawud | luminous: with regards to the interactive tool, I'd try to select the package I want to install, and then see which packages get marked as broken (iterate over them with 'B') and why ('i' can be useful here) |
| 10:12.21 | dawud | luminous: sorry, the key to iterate over broken pkgs is 'b' |
| 10:12.34 | dawud | brb |
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| 10:15.13 | luminous | dawud: interactive aptitude tells me that xorg-video-api-6.0 is unsatisfied along with xserver-xorg-video-mach64 and xserver-xorg-video-radeon |
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| 10:17.59 | boudiccas | how do i wipe clean the desktop from a conky display that hasn’t cleaned off the desktop please? |
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| 10:20.33 | somethinginteres | dawud: I swapped to ftp.ca.debian.org it's taking forever to download the stuff I got an error on ftp://ftp.ca.debian.org wheezy-updates Release.gpg |
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| 10:32.10 | empiric | sorry i way away luminous so openBSD is good or debian |
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| 10:34.51 | dawud | somethinginteres: I recall a tool (apt-spy ?) to find the fastest mirrors from your area |
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| 10:35.46 | dawud | empiric: both will do, but if you're not confident using GNU/Linux, less you'll be in openBSD. |
| 10:36.35 | dawud | luminous: use '/' to look for especific packages (by name) and check their status |
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| 10:40.00 | dawud | somethinginteres: and it's deb http://security.debian.org/ wheezy/updates main contrib non-free |
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| 10:40.10 | dawud | somethinginteres: not wheezy-updates |
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| 10:43.01 | guestwhatever | 7msg dpkg guidelines |
| 10:43.27 | babilen | dawud: wheezy/updates /and/ wheezy-updates are two different things. The former is the repository for security updates, while the latter is the one for volatile software. Only wheezy/updates is on security.debian.org (see also "/msg dpkg make wheezy sources.list") |
| 10:44.13 | dawud | babilen: is there already wheezy-updates? (was my point) |
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| 10:44.26 | empiric | nay good how to with secutiy in place to implement open ssh in debian |
| 10:44.29 | guestwhatever | Hello, is there an approximate timeframe of arrival for debian 7.0? |
| 10:45.01 | babilen | dawud: yes |
| 10:45.08 | dawud | babilen: ah ok, thanks |
| 10:45.11 | boudiccas | guestwhatever: firstquarter of 2013 is my guesstimate |
| 10:45.12 | babilen | np |
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| 10:45.30 | guestwhatever | boudiccas: OK thanks |
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| 10:47.12 | boudiccas | <PROTECTED> |
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| 10:48.34 | boudiccas | the only way of doing it that i can think of is to log out and back in again, but i wonder if there isnt some other better way |
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| 10:52.08 | crose | guestwhatever: probably when the number of release-critical bugs concerning wheezy will be low enough, atm there're 241 of them, you can follow their evolution here : http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/ |
| 10:52.48 | dawud | empiric: securing openssh alone won't secure the whole system, but check https://duckduckgo.com/?q=hardening+openssh for starters |
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| 10:53.49 | guestwhatever | crose: thanks a lot, Also: I want to install packages that are going to be included in debian 7 stable, and not those in debian 6 stable or current testing or unstable. Do I just write wheezy as the branch name in the lines in my sources file? Will I ever deviate from debian 7 stable that way? |
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| 10:56.53 | cardiel | why is the video quality bad , when playing videos on a intel gm965 card? |
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| 11:21.26 | FernandoBasso | sendmail is not sending emails. No error messages. /usr/sbin/sendmail is a link to /etc/alternatives/sendmail. I'm confused. Any hints? |
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| 11:22.48 | Zharf | did you check snail mail? ;) |
| 11:22.51 | ompaul | FernandoBasso: did it ever |
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| 11:24.49 | ompaul | FernandoBasso: as you are no doubt researching that elsewhere I'll point you at http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch08s05.html.en and point out that exim is the usual MTA on debian postfix is easy to configure and sendmail you could get a degree just studying it |
| 11:25.02 | ompaul | heads off for some fewd omnomnomnom |
| 11:25.23 | k-t | Is there a tool to keep track of bugs of all installed packages on a system? |
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| 11:27.32 | tremon | k-t: have you looked at apt-listbugs? I think it's the closest you will get without scripting things yourself |
| 11:27.42 | phix | hi |
| 11:27.47 | phix | lets Debian |
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| 11:29.37 | k-t | I have, and I have a one liner to check with it, but it's not very comfortable to keep record over days/weeks/month. |
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| 11:30.15 | phix | k-t: sup? |
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| 11:32.45 | k-t | I thought of like a mix between apt-listbugs and apticron. Sending mails with changes only. |
| 11:32.59 | phix | k-t: ? |
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| 11:39.17 | newnewb607 | Hello. I used the mount --bind command. How do I unbind it? :D |
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| 11:40.14 | LV-426 | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:40.21 | korhojoa | newnewb607: umount didn't work? |
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| 11:41.31 | newnewb607 | umount gives me "the device is busy" |
| 11:41.57 | newnewb607 | I bound a windows share to my VPS from the physical host. Now I cant backup the VPS because of this |
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| 11:42.26 | newnewb607 | And Im really bad with this stuff |
| 11:42.44 | cardiel | newnewb607: try to use umount -f , to force the umount |
| 11:42.59 | newnewb607 | same error message |
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| 11:45.04 | LV-426 | newnewb607, lsof <mount-dir>, see which process is using it |
| 11:45.32 | indigenous | Does anyone know what would be the easiest way to install a recent version of gnome-documents on debian? |
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| 11:46.19 | newnewb607 | lsof gives me "WARNING can't stat() cifs file system /mn |
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| 11:48.18 | LV-426 | newnewb607, perhaps this is a permissions issue - did you run it as root ? |
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| 11:50.01 | dretske | newnewb607: just reboot |
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| 11:50.43 | cardiel | newnewb607: or maybe it you stop the samba/cifs service via /etc/init.d/ first? |
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| 11:53.27 | nyuszika7h | hi, is it possible to purge the configuration of a package and reinstall it, without removing things that depend on it? |
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| 11:56.12 | tremon | nyuszika7h: man dpkg, --force-confold (iirc) |
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| 11:57.20 | nyuszika7h | ok, thanks |
| 11:57.27 | tremon | hmm, you probably need confmiss though, and remove the conffiles manually first |
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| 12:03.15 | abrotman | !tell nyuszika7h about confnew |
| 12:04.02 | somethinginteres | dawud: thanks for that. The issue was that I added an upgrade repo by mistake to sources.list. Of course, there's no update repo for wheezy because it's testing. |
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| 12:21.08 | daniel-s | the google+ page for Debian has a phone number attached to the profile: https://plus.google.com/u/0/110966420839981195283/posts?tab=mX |
| 12:21.13 | daniel-s | where does that number go? |
| 12:21.59 | djace | seems its the number of Aaron Scott Toponce http://atoponce.myopenid.com/ |
| 12:22.08 | tabakhase | hu, where are the default "check md_" crons? my db-master just kernelpaniced this morning while doing that so i think i should give his replicationSlave a few days offset for that job :P:P |
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| 12:23.21 | djace | daniel-s, thats apparently not the 'official' Debian Google+ page, the official one is https://plus.google.com/111711190057359692089/posts |
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| 12:30.02 | abrotman | daniel-s: that's not a Debia number |
| 12:30.20 | daniel-s | there are Debian numbers? |
| 12:30.41 | daniel-s | abrotman: djace says it's not the "official" Debian page on G+ |
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| 12:31.43 | abrotman | right, it's not |
| 12:32.29 | caf | tabakhase: /etc/cron.d/mdadm |
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| 12:33.59 | tabakhase | uh, musst have missed that one in my 'ls /etc/cond.d' - shame on me and thanks caf |
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| 12:36.16 | phix | Do debian numbers start from 0 or 1? |
| 12:36.25 | tabakhase | so [ $(date +\%d) -le 7 ] on one hand, [ $(date +\%d) -ge 15 ] && [ $(date +\%d) -le 22 ] on the other should do the trick ;-) |
| 12:36.44 | oo_miguel | I want to run 'ethtool -s eth0 wol g' on every startup of debian, to activate my wake on lan. what is the most elegant way to do that? |
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| 12:39.08 | abrotman | phix: numbers for what? |
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| 12:42.36 | caf | oo_miguel: if it were me, i'd add a line to the section in /etc/network/interfaces for eth0, saying: post-up /sbin/ethtool -s ${IFACE} wol g |
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| 12:45.02 | oo_miguel | caf: ok, thankx |
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| 12:54.00 | phix | abrotman: sorry, was afk, version numbers |
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| 12:55.02 | samba35 | is there any way to run a script before system shutdown because one of my service hang on shutdown if i run /etc/init.d/networking stop system doesnt hang |
| 12:55.35 | abrotman | phix: you mean for stable releases? |
| 12:56.12 | samba35 | yes |
| 12:56.24 | abrotman | samba35: still running Ubuntu? |
| 12:56.46 | samba35 | no he is using debian and i am using ubuntu |
| 12:56.55 | abrotman | samba35: so ask #ubuntu, we've been over this |
| 12:56.58 | samba35 | 6 |
| 12:57.03 | samba35 | debian 6 |
| 12:57.25 | abrotman | dpkg: tell phix about release history |
| 12:57.28 | abrotman | phix: see the URl |
| 12:57.31 | abrotman | URL |
| 12:57.40 | samba35 | he also want me to run debian but i wan to try openstack |
| 12:57.51 | abrotman | samba35: i don't see how this is relevant to Debian |
| 12:58.44 | samba35 | abrotman, can i run debian on ubuntu as a guest and it will work as it suppose to ? |
| 12:58.58 | abrotman | try it and see ... |
| 12:59.18 | samba35 | exprts adivse |
| 12:59.23 | samba35 | exprts |
| 12:59.32 | samba35 | experts |
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| 12:59.50 | abrotman | samba35: my expert advice is to try it and see |
| 13:00.02 | samba35 | ok |
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| 13:06.14 | Anuska | hi, i have a big question about my debian server: if i put INTERNET > LINUX DEBIAN > ROUTER > OTHER COMPUTER ( in a few hours crashed, and no log anything... for that ) , if i put INTERNET > ROUTER > LINUX DEBIAN , AND OTHER ... all work fine |
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| 13:07.23 | abrotman | what crashes? |
| 13:07.35 | Anuska | the computer stop working... and not give any error |
| 13:07.51 | abrotman | which computer ... |
| 13:07.55 | Anuska | i connot log with ssh, internet , mode text is down |
| 13:07.58 | Anuska | with debian... |
| 13:08.14 | Anuska | the frist ( LINUX DEBIAN ) |
| 13:08.26 | abrotman | right, because i was supposed to guess that how? |
| 13:08.29 | Anuska | i try to install other distribution and is the same |
| 13:09.03 | samba35 | Anuska, from india |
| 13:09.17 | Interruptus | whoa these Z things rawking my desk |
| 13:09.20 | abrotman | samba35: do you have anything Debian-related to talk about? |
| 13:09.24 | Interruptus | at first ZFS |
| 13:09.28 | Interruptus | now ZSH |
| 13:09.36 | abrotman | Anuska: so there's no monitor attached? |
| 13:10.05 | Anuska | i is |
| 13:10.12 | abrotman | i is? |
| 13:10.12 | Anuska | is, but not work anymore the computer |
| 13:10.14 | Anuska | to see |
| 13:10.22 | Anuska | give me black screen |
| 13:10.31 | abrotman | Anuska: did you try hitting the space bar, etc .. ? tried hitting the power button ? |
| 13:10.40 | Anuska | yap |
| 13:10.45 | abrotman | to which? |
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| 13:11.08 | Anuska | is not my frist time on linux, i know how.. |
| 13:11.16 | abrotman | there were two questions there |
| 13:11.17 | Anuska | but no understand what happend, and why |
| 13:11.21 | abrotman | gives up |
| 13:11.46 | Anuska | is a lan problem i trin, becouse i gave 2 network cards on that... |
| 13:12.02 | abrotman | Anuska: what's your native language? |
| 13:12.26 | Anuska | romanian |
| 13:12.39 | abrotman | you didn't answer my questions above |
| 13:12.50 | Anuska | !? |
| 13:12.59 | abrotman | !! |
| 13:12.59 | dpkg | I'm not your csh prompt! |
| 13:13.10 | Anuska | what question? |
| 13:13.21 | abrotman | Anuska: also, there is a very small #debian-ro on irc.oftc.net where they might speak Romanian |
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| 13:13.35 | Anuska | thanks |
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| 13:14.26 | abrotman | Anuska: if there's no one there, come back, we'll try to go over this again |
| 13:14.59 | Anuska | huh\ |
| 13:15.00 | Anuska | lol |
| 13:15.01 | Anuska | OKI |
| 13:15.19 | guestwhatever | If I want to install *today* what will eventually become debian 7, does it suffice to install from wheezy branch? Will it stop pulling packages from testing when it is released as stable? |
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| 13:16.01 | abrotman | guestwhatever: there is a symlink .. when wheezy is released, that symlink changes |
| 13:16.14 | abrotman | guestwhatever: so the idea is that you point *all* your sources at wheezy, not testing |
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| 13:16.57 | guestwhatever | abrotman: got it, thanks |
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| 13:35.47 | drasko | hi all, after dist-upgrade my home router is not visible. All other wireless networks are visible, and home router works well with Windows machine on the same desk. I suspect on some configuration missinterpreted by the new system, like router MAC address or ESSID. Where to look ? |
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| 13:36.45 | abrotman | hidden SSID? |
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| 13:39.44 | drasko | abrotman, no, Windows machine sees it well |
| 13:40.03 | drasko | abrotman, I can even force giving essid to the card |
| 13:40.24 | drasko | *I can not |
| 13:41.00 | drasko | I can give to the card only essid of the scanned networks, but mine is not seen by the iwlist wlan0 scan |
| 13:41.03 | abrotman | dist-upgrade rom what to what? |
| 13:41.07 | abrotman | from what to |
| 13:41.45 | drasko | dist-upgrade squeeze to wheezy |
| 13:42.04 | abrotman | and does your wifi card pick up other SSIDs? |
| 13:42.08 | abrotman | and what are you using to manage it ? |
| 13:42.14 | drasko | Broadcom official STA driver, compiled for the new kernel |
| 13:42.41 | drasko | abrotman, other SSIDs work, card attaches and does transfer |
| 13:43.04 | abrotman | uhm .. why didn't you use the driver in wheezy? |
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| 13:43.48 | drasko | BCM4312 is not supported |
| 13:44.38 | abrotman | yes, it is .. i have one |
| 13:44.42 | tremon | drasko: what channel is your wireless network using? |
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| 13:45.00 | abrotman | !bcm4312 |
| 13:45.00 | dpkg | The Broadcom BCM4312 (PCI ID 14e4:4315) is a PCI-E 802.11g wireless LAN chipset with a low-power PHY, supported by <b43> since Linux 2.6.32. Firmware is required, ask me about <contrib> and install the firmware-b43-lpphy-installer package to provide. Alternatively supported by <wl>. PCI ID 14e4:4312 uses a BCM4311 chipset, requiring firmware-b43-installer. http://wiki.debian.org/bcm43xx |
| 13:45.04 | abrotman | supported just fine |
| 13:45.42 | drasko | tremon, channel 11 |
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| 13:46.03 | drasko | abrotman, tried it - did not work |
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| 13:46.35 | Cultist | neat |
| 13:46.45 | Cultist | !rtl8723ae |
| 13:46.45 | dpkg | Realtek RTL8723AE-based PCIe wireless LAN devices (PCI ID 10ec:8723, found in some Toshiba laptops) are supported by the rtl8723ae Linux kernel driver introduced in Linux 3.8. Firmware from userspace is required (rtlwifi/rtl8723fw.bin, rtlwifi/rtl8723fw_B.bin), ask me about <linux-firmware>. |
| 13:47.00 | drasko | abrotman, http://linuxwireless.org/en/users/Drivers/b43/devices Inspiron not supported |
| 13:47.00 | Cultist | oh, finally it's been added to the kernel |
| 13:47.58 | tremon | ok, that should work in either case. Some channels (12-14) are only available if your driver has the correct regional settings, which is why I asked |
| 13:48.05 | abrotman | drasko: if it's not supported, how did it work before, and how does it work now ? |
| 13:48.31 | drasko | abrotman, same procedure - compilation of official driver |
| 13:48.49 | abrotman | drasko: the sta driver is in Debian ... |
| 13:49.12 | abrotman | judd: versions broadcom-sta-dkms |
| 13:49.13 | judd | Package: broadcom-sta-dkms on i386 -- wheezy/non-free: 5.100.82.112-8; sid/non-free: 5.100.82.112-9 |
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| 13:50.50 | jelly-home | non-free is debian now? |
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| 13:51.04 | jelly-home | hides |
| 13:51.05 | abrotman | it's packaged |
| 13:51.18 | abrotman | it's better than grabbing the stuff from broadcom |
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| 13:59.30 | prodnix | Hi all, any ideas why my empathy is not connecting on wheezy ? |
| 13:59.55 | abrotman | your network isn't managed by network-manager? |
| 14:00.10 | prodnix | you are amazin :D |
| 14:00.21 | prodnix | how do i fix it? |
| 14:00.31 | abrotman | manage your network with network-manager |
| 14:00.34 | prodnix | I had a feeling it was that |
| 14:00.43 | prodnix | not an option |
| 14:00.58 | abrotman | why not? |
| 14:01.06 | tremon | https://live.gnome.org/Empathy/FAQ#How_to_connect_when_not_using_NetworkManager.3F |
| 14:01.16 | prodnix | complex network made of many bridges |
| 14:01.24 | tremon | aka rebuild the package |
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| 14:01.39 | abrotman | or use network-manager :) |
| 14:01.45 | abrotman | prodnix: FWIW, pidgin has a way around this issue |
| 14:02.23 | prodnix | abrotman: I would like the integration |
| 14:02.43 | prodnix | tremon: thank you for that link |
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| 14:03.02 | abrotman | prodnix: what integration? |
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| 14:04.08 | prodnix | abrotman: gnome destop |
| 14:04.38 | abrotman | prodnix: extensions.gnome.org |
| 14:05.09 | Anuska | abrotman, there are a few person and sleeping all.. |
| 14:05.25 | prodnix | wat is the full solution for completely wiping network manager off my system? Its bugging so many things out |
| 14:05.50 | Anuska | abrotman, is so strage with this computer, becouse if the router is before linux, no crashed... if router is after linux... crashed |
| 14:05.54 | Towzzer | apt-get purge network-manager |
| 14:05.58 | abrotman | Anuska: you're going to have to get logs |
| 14:06.03 | abrotman | prodnix: you really can't .. it'll remove gnome too |
| 14:06.08 | Towzzer | oh it does? |
| 14:06.13 | Anuska | abrotman, no logs... anything... |
| 14:06.22 | prodnix | abrotman: ye thats what i found out when i tryed it a few months back |
| 14:06.47 | prodnix | but it truely is a pain in my a$$ |
| 14:06.48 | abrotman | Anuska: okay, you're going to have to figure out how to get some |
| 14:07.15 | Anuska | abrotman, how!? when crashed. i go in log and not see anything.. |
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| 14:07.25 | abrotman | Anuska: my theory is your network is misconfigured or the system is going to sleep |
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| 14:07.57 | abrotman | prodnix: i use pidgin with extensions to have it notify me when i get an IM |
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| 14:08.32 | Anuska | abrotman, used 2 lan cards ( eth1 : auto dhcp... , and eht0 local with 192.. |
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| 14:09.38 | Anuska | abrotman, http://pastebin.com/crM4E65a |
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| 14:09.56 | Anuska | and in rc.local i have this |
| 14:09.56 | Anuska | iptables --table nat --append POSTROUTING --out-interface eth0 -j MASQUERADE |
| 14:10.01 | Anuska | iptables --append FORWARD --in-interface eth1 -j ACCEPT |
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| 14:10.41 | abrotman | Anuska: you're saying the system is going dead? not that it's misconfigured? |
| 14:10.42 | prodnix | abrotman: ye im gonna use pidgin for now, but im determined to destroy network manager soon |
| 14:10.58 | abrotman | Anuska: i asked you an hour ago what happens when you hit the power button |
| 14:11.01 | Anuska | abrotman, the system ! connot access anymore ( but the computer run ) |
| 14:11.10 | abrotman | Anuska: can you login at the terminal? |
| 14:11.13 | Anuska | abrotman, shutdown. |
| 14:11.16 | tremon | Anuska: you're masquerading on the internal interface? |
| 14:11.33 | abrotman | Anuska: but you just said it's running |
| 14:11.48 | Dwarf | Good day, fellow debian users |
| 14:11.49 | Anuska | if i press the shutdown button and power on the computer run again |
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| 14:12.02 | Dwarf | It has come to my attention that MPD has no 64bit candidate for wheezy |
| 14:12.07 | abrotman | Dwarf: it will |
| 14:12.14 | Anuska | abrotman, yes... the computer running but connot access him anymore .... with keyboard, ssh, network down, etc |
| 14:12.18 | Dwarf | Soon? :x |
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| 14:12.23 | Dwarf | I miss my music ;-; |
| 14:12.31 | abrotman | Anuska: right .. so sounds like the system has shutdown or hibernated |
| 14:12.32 | tremon | guesses it'll be in time for jessie |
| 14:12.35 | abrotman | Dwarf: in a day or two |
| 14:12.41 | Dwarf | Sweet. Can't wait |
| 14:12.46 | abrotman | !tell Dwarf about inout |
| 14:12.50 | Anuska | abrotman, i trink... |
| 14:12.59 | abrotman | trink? |
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| 14:13.09 | Anuska | but now why not??? if i put before router wifi? |
| 14:13.18 | abrotman | oh, boo, page gone |
| 14:13.19 | abrotman | Anuska: this is why you want logs |
| 14:13.38 | Anuska | where i go? to pastebin you |
| 14:13.50 | abrotman | Anuska: you have to find the logs first |
| 14:13.57 | Anuska | what file on /etc/log/ you want? |
| 14:14.00 | abrotman | look in /var/log/ .. likely syslog or messages |
| 14:14.09 | abrotman | Anuska: which version of Linux is this? |
| 14:14.20 | Anuska | Linux server 2.6.32-5-amd64 #1 SMP Sun Sep 23 10:07:46 UTC 2012 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
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| 14:18.45 | Anuska | abrotman, i use text mode , not graphic |
| 14:18.51 | abrotman | and what? |
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| 14:19.11 | Anuska | i just say |
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| 14:20.13 | Anuska | aa, and debian connot hibernate, becouse i worked with ssh when he crashed.. |
| 14:20.22 | abrotman | you said it didn't work |
| 14:20.23 | Anuska | last time/ |
| 14:20.45 | Anuska | i work a few hour and BOOM, crashed... |
| 14:21.19 | Anuska | i shutdown the computer from bottom and power on from bottom to work again.. |
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| 14:29.39 | fall0w^ | If I have 8gb RAM, does the swap need to be 8GB? |
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| 14:30.29 | sevenfourk | on need you can allocate it with the swap file |
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| 14:30.52 | sevenfourk | I have 4G and do not have separate partition for swapping |
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| 14:31.22 | abrotman | fall0w^: what kind of system is it? |
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| 14:31.56 | sevenfourk | If you're not using application which consumes a lot of memory, allocation swap for not purpose would be not very smart. |
| 14:32.07 | guest4383 | someone have a how to install a full webmail server? |
| 14:32.43 | digdilem | Guest43673, "apt-get install squirrelmail" or roundcube. |
| 14:32.57 | digdilem | if you want to have a mail server underneath that, look at an exim howto |
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| 14:33.13 | dvs | sevenfourk: or if you don't want your system to hibernate |
| 14:33.28 | guest4383 | digdilem: what about postfix? |
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| 14:33.38 | digdilem | if you have experience and prefer it, sure |
| 14:33.59 | fall0w^ | Desktop system |
| 14:34.02 | digdilem | think of them as different things. 1: A mail server and local delivery. 2: A webmail client that talks to imapd |
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| 14:34.46 | guest4383 | digdilem: actually I need a tutorial |
| 14:35.05 | digdilem | for which part? |
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| 14:35.42 | sevenfourk | dvs: correct |
| 14:35.44 | guest4383 | digdilem: for any part possible, I need to configure a full webmail server, and its very much for me |
| 14:35.47 | digdilem | "apt-get install exim4 dovecot-imapd squirrelmail" should do the basics |
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| 14:36.34 | guest4383 | digdilem: I was trying postfix, amavis, dovecot, ilohamail |
| 14:36.39 | adkins | hi, i use google chrome under debian squeeze 64 bit and for some reason its flashplugin is not working anymore.......can someone help me with this? |
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| 14:37.28 | digdilem | Guest43673, i don't know postfix or amavis or ilohamail, but I imagine it's a step-by-step for each process that will help most, it's likely "how to build a webmail server" either doesn't exist, or will use software you would prefer not to |
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| 14:37.46 | digdilem | Guest43673, concentrate on getting the mail server running, THEN look at imapd and webmail |
| 14:37.55 | digdilem | they very much sit on top |
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| 14:38.44 | w0rm-_x | why is Debian so complicated? |
| 14:38.46 | guest4383 | digdilem: and telnet doesnt work to test =( |
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| 14:39.15 | digdilem | telnet? a bit 1980's! sshd and ssh is what you use for remote shell |
| 14:39.16 | guest4383 | digdilem: but thank you, very apreciated your advices |
| 14:39.23 | digdilem | no worries, good luck |
| 14:39.44 | guest4383 | digdilem: I mean to test to send mail |
| 14:39.45 | w0rm-_x | I just installed Debian and the internet was so slow, kept disconnecting me, really? |
| 14:40.05 | digdilem | Guest43673, oh. remember port 25. "telnet localhost 25" |
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| 14:40.23 | guest4383 | digdilem: yes, but doesnt respond after connect |
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| 14:40.40 | digdilem | Guest43673, check logs and then ask a guy who knows postfix :) |
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| 14:41.18 | guest4383 | I think exim is easier |
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| 14:42.12 | digdilem | not often people say that. |
| 14:42.24 | digdilem | especially when you need to do advanced stuff with it :) |
| 14:42.59 | guest4383 | maybe it's my lack of technical knowledge ... |
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| 14:43.10 | Eediot | w0rm-_x: Don't give up hope. |
| 14:43.13 | abrotman | postfix is pretty easy |
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| 14:43.32 | digdilem | exim4 on debian works out of the box, pretty much |
| 14:43.44 | tremon | in my experience, the exim community (aka #debian) is a lot more helpful and welcoming than the postfix community (#postfix) |
| 14:43.44 | abrotman | not really, you have to answer questions |
| 14:43.56 | abrotman | tremon: i've had really good success in #postfix |
| 14:44.10 | tremon | you probably knew the magic words ;) |
| 14:44.10 | digdilem | yes abrotman, of course, but there's about half a dozen that are essential. |
| 14:44.30 | abrotman | digdilem: sure .. |
| 14:44.34 | guest4383 | and in the case to be more complete, or better solution |
| 14:44.37 | abrotman | tremon: yes, i know how actually ask a question :) |
| 14:44.38 | guest4383 | what you think? |
| 14:44.44 | abrotman | guest4383: to do what? |
| 14:44.45 | w0rm-_x | Eediot, I need help :( |
| 14:44.59 | guest4383 | abrotman: full webmail server |
| 14:45.10 | boudiccas | how do i wipe clean the desktop from a conky display that hasn’t cleaned off the desktop please? the only way of doing it that i can think of is to log out and back in again, but i wonder if there isnt some other better way |
| 14:45.27 | dvs | !tell w0rm-_x about ask |
| 14:45.35 | abrotman | guest4383: i used postfix+roundcube, really liked it |
| 14:45.51 | tremon | guest4383: a webmail server is primarily a mail user agent; neither exim nor postfix provide that part |
| 14:45.52 | abrotman | guest4383: plus cyrus in my case, though, i'd use dovecot now |
| 14:46.05 | abrotman | cyrus .. **shudder** |
| 14:46.21 | Eediot | w0rm-_x: we need to know more about your problem to help. |
| 14:46.28 | digdilem | i built one last week. exim4 + spamassassin + clamav + dovecot + squirrelmail (with roundcube to follow) |
| 14:46.29 | tremon | I'd choose the user agent first, then choose a compatible mta |
| 14:46.33 | Devastator | ok, I wanna try to fix nfs-common failing to start on boot, it's a fresh install with kernel and a few upgrades from backports. From what I've read so far this can be caused by incompability with portmap, which is being replaced by rpcbind, but I've replaced portmap and nfs-common is still failing. I don't use NFS myself, but if I can help sort this out, it might help others.. |
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| 14:46.54 | Devastator | fresh install of squeeze, that is.. |
| 14:47.14 | tremon | runs dovecot+postfix+dspam, but only imap, no webmail |
| 14:47.44 | guest4383 | abrotman: dovecot instead cyrus? |
| 14:47.52 | abrotman | yes .. |
| 14:48.07 | abrotman | at the time, cyrus was the only one that offered shared folders the way we wanted them .. dovecot has that now I believe |
| 14:48.08 | w0rm-_x | Eediot, because you gave me hope, I will re-install Debian and get back here. |
| 14:48.20 | abrotman | if you don't need shared folders, those considerations wouldn't matter |
| 14:48.36 | guest4383 | tremon: I needed webmail too for the clients |
| 14:48.48 | Eediot | w0rm-_x: but why do you need to reinstall? |
| 14:49.12 | guest4383 | abrotman: I see |
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| 14:49.49 | guest4383 | possible to be crazy so many solutions |
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| 14:50.27 | w0rm-_x | Eediot, because I removed it |
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| 14:50.38 | Eediot | :( |
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| 14:51.35 | guest4383 | abrotman: roudcube, ilohamail, squireelmail ? |
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| 14:52.04 | abrotman | i choose roundcube or horde/imp .. |
| 14:52.23 | w0rm-_x | Eediot, got frustrated, yesterday I tested Debian in a VM it was working fine, so removed both Windows7 and Ubuntu from my PC and installed Debian, and there you go internet issue, got frustrated, removed it, installed Ubuntu. |
| 14:52.44 | Dwarf | Yuck |
| 14:52.54 | Dwarf | Anyone care to assist me with my graphics drivers? |
| 14:53.10 | abrotman | looks for an actual question from Dwarf |
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| 14:53.23 | Eediot | w0rm-_x: Next time, go on IRC to ask before you uninstall something ;) |
| 14:53.24 | Dwarf | http://wiki.debian.org/Bumblebee |
| 14:53.37 | Dwarf | I'm using wheezy, abrotman |
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| 14:53.42 | abrotman | runs away in horror |
| 14:53.46 | Dwarf | Noooo |
| 14:53.48 | Dwarf | Stay! |
| 14:53.53 | fall0w^ | w0rm-_x can't you download the dvd? |
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| 14:54.38 | Dwarf | But eh abrotman, I should be fine doing "sudo apt-get install -t squeeze-backports nvidia-glx linux-headers-$(uname -r) nvidia-kernel-dkms" I presume |
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| 14:54.43 | Dwarf | If not, I'll blame you |
| 14:55.03 | w0rm-_x | fall0w^, what do you mean? I boot it up from a usb |
| 14:55.28 | boudiccas | Dwarf: why are you instaling from squeeze backports when yoiure running wheezy? |
| 14:55.45 | Eediot | w0rm-_x: Well, you can test Debian internet access from the USB drive without installing it |
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| 14:55.59 | Dwarf | Eeeh, I'd remove the -t backports part |
| 14:56.06 | Dwarf | I just copied it from the wiki you see |
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| 14:56.19 | fall0w^ | w0rm-_x: i take it you are using the netinst image, there is also a 4.3gb dv image which u can download with torrent |
| 14:56.33 | abrotman | Dwarf: i don't support nvidia, not worth the hassle, sorry |
| 14:56.37 | fall0w^ | *dvd |
| 14:56.42 | Dwarf | Aye |
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| 14:56.51 | Dwarf | Well I prefer nvidia over nouveau |
| 14:57.05 | Dwarf | Don't ask me why, it's a stupid reason |
| 14:57.07 | abrotman | prefers companies that make free/open drivers :) |
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| 14:57.18 | dvs | S3! |
| 14:57.21 | abrotman | yes, S3 |
| 14:57.45 | dvs | scrounges for a Matrox |
| 14:57.58 | abrotman | dvs: at least they worked without jumping through hoops |
| 14:58.26 | dvs | too bad they aren't widely made anymore |
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| 14:59.01 | Devastator | S3? |
| 14:59.43 | Dwarf | Will debian be suffering the change of the name of the network adapters? |
| 14:59.59 | Dwarf | E.g. in arch they renamed wlan0 to an ID of the wireless card |
| 15:00.27 | jstoone | Hi I'm sitting on a new MacBook Pro, but I am struggling to get the keymap to work correctly. I am for example used to type "@" using "alt+*" and is not really working out. Any suggestions? |
| 15:00.34 | abrotman | Devastator: it's a joke |
| 15:00.46 | Devastator | ah yes |
| 15:00.46 | abrotman | dvs: matrox are still made .. but they have a niche market |
| 15:00.50 | jstoone | I have tried shifing betweeen layouts in consol-data |
| 15:01.09 | fall0w^ | Does anyone dual boot Win7 and Debian? Should the Win partition be before the Debian one? |
| 15:01.22 | Armand | jstoone, my first suggestion would be to refrain from sitting on it. |
| 15:01.41 | Dwarf | fall0w^, doesn't matter |
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| 15:01.47 | digdilem | fall0w^, usually, but i don't think it matters now. just install windows first |
| 15:01.52 | Dwarf | What bootloader do you want tho, the window one? Or grub? |
| 15:01.54 | dvs | fall0w^: Yeha, it don't matter |
| 15:02.27 | jstoone | Armand: Sorry, that was direct translation from a danish sentence ;) |
| 15:02.53 | Armand | It's common in English too, so.. no worries.. still pun-worthy. :P |
| 15:03.19 | fall0w^ | digdilem: install windows first because if it were installed second it would overwrite the mbr? |
| 15:03.35 | digdilem | fall0w^, r. grub is a lot less selfish |
| 15:03.44 | jstoone | Dwarf: dvs: fall0w^: I would install Win7 first, and then Debian afterwards. It's a mess reinstalling Grub after the Windows bootloader has taken over. |
| 15:03.48 | dvs | fall0w^: that's exactly it |
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| 15:04.08 | Devastator | where should "Starting .... daemon" messages be? I mean, which log file? Tried /var/log/messages, /var/log/syslog, dmesg |
| 15:04.13 | DelphiWorld | Hi to the debianists |
| 15:04.21 | fall0w^ | I see, right thanks a lot. |
| 15:04.21 | Dwarf | Why not install the grub bootloader on the debian partition, then use EasyBCD to edit the windows bootloader to point to the GRUB2 install? |
| 15:04.26 | DelphiWorld | anyone know any way to mount a remote ftp directory in a local directory? |
| 15:04.27 | Dwarf | That's what I used to do |
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| 15:04.42 | abrotman | DelphiWorld: there is ftpfs |
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| 15:05.02 | DelphiWorld | abrotman: fun funn, it's built-in to the System? |
| 15:05.10 | abrotman | it has docs, you can read about it |
| 15:05.12 | fall0w^ | Wait, then after I've installed windows, should I install Grub when i Install Debian or keep using the Windows MBR? |
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| 15:05.30 | DelphiWorld | abrotman: valuable answer, thank |
| 15:05.39 | abrotman | fall0w^: does windows know how to boot Debian? |
| 15:05.40 | jstoone | Dwarf: I'm used to format and make the partiton table on a liveCD/USB and then install Win where it belongs, and then linux afterwards. No config needed :) |
| 15:05.43 | dvs | fall0w^: Debian will install grub and you should put it on the MBR |
| 15:05.51 | DelphiWorld | See you guys |
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| 15:06.10 | fall0w^ | abrotman: I dunno :) I'm assuming No based on your ironic question |
| 15:07.04 | jstoone | fall0w^: Windows doesn't know how to boot Debian, sadly. |
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| 15:07.48 | fall0w^ | Grub it is |
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| 15:09.11 | jstoone | fall0w^: ;) |
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| 15:09.57 | sirmy | hi guys, where can i find updated kernel deb package? |
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| 15:10.23 | dvs | !tell sirmy about bpo kernel |
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| 15:11.29 | sirmy | dvs: i have sid, is it a problem or can i install backport anyway? |
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| 15:11.41 | Dwarf | jstoone: You can point the windows bootloader to GRUB tho |
| 15:11.44 | Devastator | where should "Starting .... daemon" messages be? I mean, which log file? Tried /var/log/messages, /var/log/syslog, dmesg, should I log boot somehow? |
| 15:11.56 | Dwarf | And if you set the GRUB timeout to zero it will boot debian instantly |
| 15:12.03 | dvs | sirmy: If you are using sid then there's no need to use backports |
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| 15:12.54 | sirmy | dvs: but with sid i have 3.2.0, i would some newer version |
| 15:13.14 | abrotman | sirmy: is yours broken somehow ? |
| 15:13.44 | dvs | gets ready to polish some poop |
| 15:13.59 | sirmy | abrotman: no, but i want to see if some drivers are improved... because i have some bad hw which don't work very well... |
| 15:14.15 | abrotman | sirmy: you oculd look at a changelog instead |
| 15:14.30 | jstoone | Dwarf: Oh, I didn't think of that. It's funny how old habbits get's ingraved as funtamental rules ;) |
| 15:14.38 | tremon | ,v linux-image-3.7-trunk-amd64 |
| 15:14.40 | judd | Package: linux-image-3.7-trunk-amd64 on i386 -- experimental: 3.7.3-1~experimental.1 |
| 15:14.55 | abrotman | what could go wrong .. |
| 15:14.59 | tremon | sirmy: 3.7 is in experimental |
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| 15:15.04 | Dwarf | It's quite useful, and it allowed me to use hibernate on windows and debian without any trouble |
| 15:15.27 | jstoone | Aha.. |
| 15:15.38 | sirmy | abrotman: i think i am not able to understand everything is written on a changelog atm |
| 15:16.18 | sirmy | tremon: where can i find that package? |
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| 15:16.24 | jstoone | Dwarf: Well, I'm out of the hassle of partitioning and stuff, I work with various graphical assignments in my worktime. So I decided to go Mac and VM my troubles away :) |
| 15:16.36 | abrotman | sirmy: packages.debian.org |
| 15:16.48 | Devastator | oh well.. |
| 15:16.56 | tremon | !tell sirmy about experimental |
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| 15:17.19 | Devastator | if I can't even find the log file, I might just remove nfs-common and be done with it |
| 15:17.19 | abrotman | tremon: you know that doesn't really have anything useful in it ? |
| 15:17.36 | Dwarf | Heh well whatever floats your boat jstoone :) |
| 15:17.46 | Dwarf | Unfortunately I'm forced to boot into windows for college |
| 15:17.50 | tremon | abrotman: the factoid or the repository? |
| 15:17.57 | abrotman | the factoid |
| 15:18.05 | sirmy | abrotman: thanks! i'm actually new with debian and i don't know everything |
| 15:18.11 | Argafal | i would like to bind a key that executes an xrandr script, in a way that the keybinding works during xlock. |
| 15:18.17 | Argafal | any suggestion as to how to achieve this? |
| 15:18.29 | Argafal | xrandr --auto would be fully sufficient for a start. |
| 15:18.37 | tremon | well, it does say "don't do it unless you know what you're doing", which is why I chose the factoid over any references to sources.list and/or p.d.o |
| 15:19.08 | abrotman | tremon: so why would you tell him about the new kernel before attempting to warn him? |
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| 15:19.37 | Dwarf | abrotman: what are you? An enthusiast or a developer? |
| 15:19.40 | tremon | hmm... bait and switch? |
| 15:19.49 | abrotman | Dwarf: ? |
| 15:19.53 | abrotman | tremon: good plan :) |
| 15:20.06 | Dwarf | You're so knowledgeable when it comes to debian |
| 15:20.09 | tremon | I get your point though ;) |
| 15:20.25 | abrotman | Dwarf: i help out where i can .. |
| 15:20.36 | Dwarf | So I'm wondering if you're just a long time user or are actually deeper involved you know |
| 15:20.47 | sirmy | tremon: i have to download the package from the site or i can configure apt-get to download from there? |
| 15:20.51 | abrotman | Dwarf: i've been involved with Debian for 15 years |
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| 15:20.57 | abrotman | in one way or another |
| 15:21.08 | abrotman | should probably know more than he does |
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| 15:21.56 | Dwarf | Wow |
| 15:22.01 | Dwarf | That's almost as old as I am |
| 15:22.05 | Dwarf | No wonder you know more than me hehe |
| 15:22.36 | tremon | sirmy: you can add it to sources.list, just copy your current sid line and s/sid/experimental |
| 15:22.52 | tremon | sirmy: do remember that it's called experimental for a reason |
| 15:23.07 | sirmy | tremon: yeah, of course! |
| 15:23.13 | abrotman | sirmy: as in, your system may not boot |
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| 15:23.33 | sirmy | abrotman: i am really adventurous ahah |
| 15:23.53 | tremon | luckily, your current kernel will still be there |
| 15:24.07 | abrotman | tremon: that doesn't mean the system will work |
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| 15:24.21 | abrotman | tremon: only takes one kernel bug to remove /bin/ :) |
| 15:24.24 | tremon | sid already doesn't mean that the system will work ;) |
| 15:24.45 | Dwarf | I'm on wheezy! |
| 15:24.53 | Dwarf | Bless my awesomeness that it never crashed on me |
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| 15:25.27 | Devastator | dvs do you happen to know which log file "Starting <daemon>, Configure network, etc etc" messages should be? I'm trying to track down a failing to start daemon |
| 15:25.44 | Dwarf | Devastator: dmesg? |
| 15:25.49 | Dwarf | I think |
| 15:25.51 | sirmy | for me sid works very well... i think that with new hw stay on stable or something too old is impossible! |
| 15:25.58 | tremon | Devastator: if they are logged, they're in boot.log, but you need a working bootlogd for that |
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| 15:26.25 | Devastator | tremon so debian by default doesn't log it, ok |
| 15:27.00 | tremon | and that's /var/log/boot, not boot.log |
| 15:27.27 | Devastator | let's enable boot logging then :) thanks |
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| 15:29.50 | w0rm-_x | ok when I installed Debian internet was super slow, so removed it, now trying it again but from a live cd and internet is fine, I don't understand |
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| 15:31.53 | sirmy | so, guys, i am rebooting with new kernel! |
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| 15:34.27 | Dwarf | sirmy survived! |
| 15:34.35 | Dwarf | Tell me everything about your journey! |
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| 15:34.38 | sirmy | yes! |
| 15:34.47 | w0rm-_x | voice does not work, "The volume control did not find any elements and/or devices to control. This means either that you don't have the right GStreamer plugins installed or that you don't have a sound card configured. |
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| 15:36.31 | Devastator | weird, for some reason portmap startup script is called twice, nfs-common script also, but it fails in first try, then starts after runlevel changes to 2 |
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| 15:37.53 | Gemclip | I am getting ready to install Debian. Looking at the DVD ISOs for it. It has 6 DVD's Isnt that a lot? and do I need all 6 to do a full install |
| 15:38.03 | abrotman | !tell Gemclip about netinst |
| 15:38.29 | dvs | Gemclip: Only if you don't have an internet connection |
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| 15:38.56 | zykotick9 | Gemclip: while i personally think netinst is the proper way to go, you only need CD-1 or DVD-1 to install a working system |
| 15:39.00 | Dwarf | Gemclip: Those are for all the packages, which you don't need for a working desktop install |
| 15:39.41 | Gemclip | ahh so they would be used for an offline install. Is it good to have them as backups just incase? |
| 15:40.07 | dvs | Gemclip: no, because the packages change too often. |
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| 15:40.11 | Gemclip | I did download the business card iso |
| 15:40.36 | dvs | Gemclip: no, get the netinst |
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| 15:40.44 | Devastator | I might just reinstall to see when the problem starts.. |
| 15:41.04 | Devastator | hum, wait, I can try the old kernel first |
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| 15:41.39 | Gemclip | OK just read that. Thanks |
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| 15:43.46 | Devastator | damn you nfs-common :| |
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| 15:44.12 | Devastator | ChrisH ping |
| 15:44.37 | abrotman | .... |
| 15:45.34 | Gemclip | I have a 160GB HD for a laptop. Is that enough for a full-blown install? I have a 500GB one as well but wanted to makesure space wouldnt be an issue |
| 15:45.47 | Devastator | he asked a few things about this issue, but I couldn't provide at the time |
| 15:45.59 | dvs | Gemclip: 160 is enough |
| 15:46.58 | Gemclip | OK thank you. Just was worried about space. Not running a server just setting up for learning |
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| 15:49.01 | w0rm-_x | when I run alsactl init, it says control element not found, I can't get the sound working |
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| 15:51.39 | dvs | !tell w0rm-_x about alsa checklist |
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| 15:56.01 | Devastator | ok, nfs-common from backports is on hold here, is there a way to force its install? |
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| 15:56.20 | abrotman | install it directly |
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| 15:57.32 | Devastator | update-rc.d: warning: rpcbind start runlevel arguments (S) do not match LSB Default-Start values (S 2 3 4 5), hummmm |
| 15:57.48 | Devastator | now, let's see what LSB is about |
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| 15:58.24 | abrotman | dpkg: tell Devastator about lsb tags |
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| 15:59.03 | w0rm-_x | I just installed Debian 2.6.32-5-486 and I can't get the sound working, do I need to install the drivers? I did one check which is make sure that the user is added to the sound group.. |
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| 15:59.28 | Devastator | abrotman thanks! |
| 15:59.43 | abrotman | w0rm-_x: is your CPU really a 486/586? |
| 15:59.44 | shakaponk | just installed debian squeeze on my notebook, for the first time. wifi driver problem. followed this guide, but i guess i did something wrong. don't get it. can anybody help me/give me a hint? |
| 15:59.55 | abrotman | w0rm-_x: /msg dpkg alsa checklist |
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| 16:00.04 | shakaponk | http://wiki.debian.org/rtl819x |
| 16:00.05 | abrotman | shakaponk: what is your wifi device? |
| 16:00.27 | shakaponk | abrotman i got a realtek rtl8191SEvB |
| 16:00.27 | w0rm-_x | abrotman, my CPU is 64 |
| 16:00.45 | abrotman | w0rm-_x: but you installed the 32bit version of Debian ? |
| 16:01.05 | w0rm-_x | abrotman, yes because I need to work with some 32-bit packages |
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| 16:01.16 | abrotman | shakaponk: /win 13 |
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| 16:01.32 | abrotman | shakaponk: ignore that |
| 16:01.38 | shakaponk | i do :-) |
| 16:02.13 | abrotman | shakaponk: according to that wiki page, the kernel won't support that? |
| 16:02.41 | abrotman | shakaponk: so it would appear you would either have to use stuff from backports.debian.org or migrate the system to wheezy |
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| 16:02.57 | abrotman | w0rm-_x: i'd probably at least install the -686 package or -686-bigmem |
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| 16:03.15 | shakaponk | abrotman: how do i know that it is supported on wheezy? |
| 16:03.37 | sirmy | i'm not so lucky... my hw is not supported very well atm :( |
| 16:04.03 | w0rm-_x | abrotman, are you recommending me to install Debian 64 instead? |
| 16:04.22 | abrotman | w0rm-_x: nope |
| 16:04.26 | abrotman | shakaponk: see the wiki page |
| 16:05.10 | shakaponk | abrotman, ah yeah. i see |
| 16:05.22 | shakaponk | abrotman, how can i upgrade? |
| 16:05.34 | Lanz | If you guys are having hardware compatibility problems, consider using a more recent kernel. I recommend the Liquorix kernel, it works out of the box with Debian. http://liquorix.net/ |
| 16:05.34 | abrotman | !tell shakaponk about squeeze->wheezy |
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| 16:05.48 | abrotman | Lanz: please don't spam other distros here |
| 16:05.55 | shakaponk | abrotman: thx |
| 16:06.40 | Devastator | abrotman is it normal for a daemon to be started twice? at least tried to be... it starts in runlevel S then again in runlevel 2 which says "Already running" |
| 16:06.49 | Devastator | maybe redundancy? |
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| 16:10.34 | jnewt | when using dd to clone one disk to another, how do i choose the block size? |
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| 16:10.46 | jnewt | or maybe just leave it blank? |
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| 16:12.36 | tremon | default blocksize is 512 bytes, that will lead to a lot of overhead. I prefer blocksizes in the megabytes when doing disk-to-disk transfers |
| 16:12.46 | pcm1 | Hi! Can somebody hep me? I accidentally overwritten my PATH. Is there any way to restore it to default? |
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| 16:13.41 | zykotick9 | pcm1: with an export command? if so, "source ~/.bashrc" might get things back to normal? |
| 16:14.20 | tremon | pcm1: depends on where it is defined. source /etc/profile, /etc/environment, /etc/bash.bashrc and/or ~/.bashrc |
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| 16:14.37 | abrotman | /etc/profile should get him enough of a path |
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| 16:15.00 | pcm1 | zykotick9: that fixed it, thanks alot! |
| 16:15.04 | tremon | wouldn't bash -i work too? |
| 16:15.06 | pcm1 | was scared there for a second |
| 16:15.15 | tremon | (or exec bash -i) |
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| 16:16.32 | pcm1 | #flood /msg dpkg guidelines |
| 16:16.36 | pcm1 | gah >_< |
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| 16:18.17 | w0rm-_x | when I run cat /dev/sndstat I get Audio devices: NOT ENABLED IN CONFIG, how do enable them? |
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| 16:24.30 | Argafal | i added a file 50-xrandr.rules to /etc/udev/rules.d, containing a line ACTION=="change", SUBSYSTEM=="drm", HOTPLUG=="1", RUN+="/root/xrandr.sh", in the hope it would execute that script upon these events that i recorded using udevadm: http://nopaste.info/007791a3a8.html. however when triggering these events nothing happens, so it seems the udev rule doesn't do anything. |
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| 16:24.52 | Argafal | i restarted udev (/etc/init.d/udev restart) and eventually even my machine. no change. any suggestion? |
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| 16:26.57 | tremon | Argafal: what is in that script? the name suggest it calls xrandr, but xrandr needs a running X server |
| 16:27.20 | tremon | and permissions to access that display server |
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| 16:28.31 | tremon | also, blind scripts benefit from set -x ; exec > /tmp/myscript.stdout ; exec 2> /tmp/myscript.stderr |
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| 16:29.05 | Argafal | tremon: i'm not sure i follow your last line, but let me paste you this script. |
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| 16:29.33 | Argafal | tremon: http://nopaste.info/a781ccd258.html |
| 16:29.36 | tremon | that last line enables script tracing and redirects all output to a known location |
| 16:29.59 | Argafal | do i put this in the script at the beginning? |
| 16:30.03 | tremon | and /tmp/xrandr does not exist? |
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| 16:30.10 | Argafal | tremon: no. |
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| 16:30.50 | Argafal | tremon: that's why i concluded, that either the udev rule is never used, or something goes wrong already there. -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 1022 Feb 3 17:19 /root/xrandr.sh |
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| 16:32.06 | tremon | ok, then it's indeed not triggering. I would still suggest adding the lines I gave (above touch /tmp/xrandr), but they won't help if the script isn't triggered |
| 16:32.12 | tremon | can you run the script manually/ |
| 16:32.13 | tremon | ? |
| 16:32.37 | Argafal | tremon: as root, yes. does udev use user root? |
| 16:32.46 | Argafal | tremon: is there any output of udev that i can use? |
| 16:32.47 | tremon | are you certain that at boot, a change event is generated? won't it be an add event then? |
| 16:33.10 | Argafal | tremon: i trigger the change events by plugging in/unplugging a monitor to VGA. |
| 16:33.10 | tremon | only the udevadm triggers iirc, but I haven't fought udev in the last two years |
| 16:33.22 | tremon | ah :) |
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| 16:33.37 | Argafal | tremon: i don't know what happens during boot, that's why i wanted to record the events first before executing anything. |
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| 16:34.42 | Argafal | so i just added a file to /etc/udev/rules.d. How can i be sure it's actually used, i did not edit an existing one? Is my syntax correct for the pasted events? |
| 16:35.24 | Argafal | does the filename matter? |
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| 16:36.10 | jnewt | http://pastebin.com/wWvir4w7 sdc will boot my old system, sdb will not. is it the cylinders? or the ide to sata converter? sdb is an ssd, i'm trying to replace my old hdd with. |
| 16:36.54 | jelly-home | jnewt: is sdb visible in bios on the machine you try to boot? |
| 16:37.04 | tremon | Argafal: udev uses inotity iirc. your syntax and filename should be fine |
| 16:37.27 | jnewt | jelly-home: not sure, i have been unable to find the correct keys to hold down to get to bios. |
| 16:38.03 | Argafal | tremon can i get udevadm to tell me about its rules when applying them? |
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| 16:39.05 | jnewt | i've tried to hold down pretty much all the FN keys, i normally get a "keyboard error", then memtest, then the Non-System disk or disk error. |
| 16:39.05 | tremon | you should, have you tried udevadm --debug trigger ... ? |
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| 16:40.02 | tremon | there's also udevadm test --action=change --subsystem=drm, not sure what it does |
| 16:40.44 | Argafal | i just tried that (test I mean), but it claims that test: unrecognized option '--subsystem=drm' |
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| 16:41.00 | Argafal | tremon: full line is udevadm test --action=change --subsystem=drm /devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:02.0/drm/card0 |
| 16:41.02 | tremon | are you on squeeze? |
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| 16:41.34 | Argafal | tremon: wheezy. |
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| 16:41.49 | Devastator | well... it seems that rpcbind is starting after statd, which makes it throw a warning that portmapper is not running |
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| 16:42.23 | Devastator | I'm not experienced enough to deal with startup scripts priorities |
| 16:42.50 | tremon | Argafal: same here, try it without subsystem |
| 16:42.50 | Argafal | tremon: the manpage actually says --subsystem=string, so that doesn't seem to make sense |
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| 16:44.03 | Argafal | add_rule: unknown key 'HOTPLUG' in /etc/udev/rules.d/99-xrandr.rules:1 |
| 16:44.08 | Argafal | aha! |
| 16:44.15 | Argafal | tremon: excellent suggestion, the test command. |
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| 16:46.11 | Argafal | so maybe i'll try leaving out the HOTPLUG condition. and do something that doesn't require root and Xauthority, e.g. RUN+="/bin/su user -c '/home/user/bin/monitorhotplug.sh'" |
| 16:47.17 | tremon | you're not actually calling any X utils, so that should be fine either way |
| 16:47.17 | Argafal | tremon: it works without the HOTPLUG condition :) thanks so much! |
| 16:47.27 | Argafal | tremon: eventually i will ;) |
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| 16:48.24 | Gemclip | will I get too confused trying to learn both Debian and Fedora at the same time? |
| 16:49.05 | drphitheta | ... No? |
| 16:49.09 | tremon | Gemclip: what are you learining? |
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| 16:49.34 | tremon | some people get confused when trying to learn even one of them |
| 16:49.46 | Gemclip | Linux in general. Using LPI courseware |
| 16:50.13 | tremon | then you have no choice, both apt/dpkg and rpm are mandatory components |
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| 16:51.06 | Gemclip | Getting a grasp of both package management would benifit, correct? |
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| 16:51.24 | anddam | is there an option in exim4 init script to not fork the daemon and produce debug output instead? |
| 16:51.26 | drphitheta | Not if you don't apply that knowledge |
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| 16:52.18 | Gemclip | drphitheta: Just like any knowledge in general. Use it or lose it |
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| 16:54.20 | Gemclip | I knew about the package management issue. Anything else I should keep an eye out for? |
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| 16:54.37 | drphitheta | init scripts |
| 16:54.54 | drphitheta | SysV/BSD etc. |
| 16:56.00 | Gemclip | Havent got that far into it yet. Just been working on the Bash CLI learning basic commands right now |
| 16:56.49 | Gemclip | The course focuses on Fedora so far but I like the stability of Debian |
| 16:57.35 | drphitheta | Debian is stable because the packages are older. |
| 16:57.36 | Gemclip | It does work on both apt and rpm I see |
| 16:57.42 | drphitheta | Has nothing to do with apt v. rpm |
| 16:58.13 | Gemclip | Yes I understand that so far |
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| 17:00.05 | matrix155 | hi all want to point out if play mu that new server http://unlimitedmu.biz medium server is opened |
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| 17:05.32 | vlt | Hello. How can I change the font size on a tty? |
| 17:07.02 | Gemclip | sudo dpkg-reconfigure console-setup |
| 17:07.25 | Forsvin | Hmm, how do i update g++? Doing apt-get upgrade doesn't show any outdated packages yet my g++ version is 4.4.5. |
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| 17:07.35 | a11r | take a look at my blog and advise me to improve it http://pcandnettech.blogspot.in/ |
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| 17:09.51 | tremon | ,v g++ |
| 17:09.52 | judd | Package: g++ on i386 -- lenny: 4:4.3.2-2; squeeze: 4:4.4.5-1; sid: 4:4.7.2-1; wheezy: 4:4.7.2-1; experimental: 4:4.7.2-1exp1 |
| 17:10.06 | abrotman | Forsvin: that's correct on squeeze |
| 17:10.11 | tremon | Forsvin: you can't, wait until wheezy is released |
| 17:10.48 | Forsvin | Aw, alright. Thanks |
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| 17:13.00 | jnewt | can i somehow fdisk my new 30GB ssd to make it appear much smaller? like reducing the number of sectors or cylinders or something (expert options)? link to procedure? |
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| 17:14.12 | tremon | I'm not sure what you're trying to do. "Make it appear smaller" suggests that you want to advertise a smaller drive to the bios, but the bios doesn't read the partition table. fdisk can't help you there |
| 17:14.40 | tremon | otherwise, just create smaller partitions |
| 17:16.20 | vlt | Gemclip: Ok, it worked :-) (Now I could read your answer.) |
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| 17:24.04 | TheGrey | o/ Basically my audio is playing tricks with me. On some videos (flash internet or vlc/mplayer) I get no audio and on some others I get a weird sensation: perfectly clear background sounds...but no vocals/voices...I've checked my alsamixer and everything is bumped up to the max. What can I do to resolve this issue? I had Pulseaudio and then uninstalled it...What can I do? Troubleshoot me please! |
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| 17:30.27 | wjtaylor_ | Does squeeze have any issues with the new drives using 4k sectors? |
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| 17:31.44 | tremon | TheGrey: that sounds like your default soundcard is set to surround but you have only two speakers connected |
| 17:32.10 | tremon | wjtaylor_: why do you ask? |
| 17:32.18 | TheGrey | tremon: I have a pair of headphones |
| 17:32.37 | TheGrey | tremon: please tell me what I can do to rectify this issue sir |
| 17:32.38 | wjtaylor_ | tremon: Because I am thinking of buying one.... |
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| 17:33.52 | tremon | TheGrey: Try aplay -L to see what devices you have |
| 17:33.59 | tremon | !tell TheGrey about alsa checklist |
| 17:34.20 | tremon | some of those don't apply since you have (some) sound, but aplay is always a good way to test |
| 17:34.51 | tremon | wjtaylor_: there are no issues fafaik, but create your partitions with the installer or parted, I'm not sure fdisk in squeeze uses the correct alignment |
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| 17:35.35 | wjtaylor_ | tremon: fair enough. thanks |
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| 17:35.55 | TheGrey | tremon: you are a genius: here's my paste: http://pastebin.com/vuzdYGhR It seems that the pulseaudio is still parasitically in my system, even when I have purged it from my system...Is the deault sound card fine? |
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| 17:37.19 | wjtaylor_ | tremon: Do you know if I can use a 4k disk in a raid 5 (mdadm) array with 512k disks? |
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| 17:38.04 | tremon | TheGrey: that reference to pulse is probably from the libasound-pulse plugin, and may not be a problem. Check in ~/.asoundrc and/or /etc/asound.conf what device is set as your default |
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| 17:39.14 | tremon | wjtaylor_: are you using partition-based or disk-based striping? (e,g, are your raid components /dev/sdX or /dev/sdXN) |
| 17:39.31 | wjtaylor_ | tremon: neither, raid 5 (parity) |
| 17:39.53 | drasko | hi all, after dist-upgrade my home router is not visible. All other wireless networks are visible, and home router works well with Windows machine on the same desk. I suspect on some configuration missinterpreted by the new system, like router MAC address or ESSID. Where to look ? |
| 17:39.57 | tremon | that's not what I meant, but to be precise, raid5 is striping ;) |
| 17:40.18 | TheGrey | tremon: whilst I don't have a file like that in my etc, the following command had revealed it: http://pastebin.com/ivYVhLv5 |
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| 17:41.28 | tabakhase | drasko make sure eth0 is still eth0... its known to jump to eth1... |
| 17:41.32 | tremon | TheGrey: also no ~/.asoundrc? Then alsa is autodetecting its outputs, and it might be preferring the pulse plugin |
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| 17:43.06 | tremon | TheGrey: either remove the plugin or create a ~/.asoundrc with an explicit default soundcard: pcm.!default { type plug ; slave.pcm front:SB } } |
| 17:43.38 | tremon | first check with aplay -D which is the device you want as default |
| 17:44.19 | tremon | drasko: have you installed the wheezy bcm drivers yet? |
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| 17:45.05 | drasko | nope |
| 17:45.09 | drasko | Yes, before |
| 17:45.14 | drasko | it did not work |
| 17:45.31 | drasko | so I recompiled original Broadcom STA driver |
| 17:45.36 | tremon | ok, would be wise to include that in your question |
| 17:45.50 | drasko | Let me try again with Wheezy drivers |
| 17:46.16 | drasko | tremon, but it is really crazy that everything works, except my home router |
| 17:46.16 | TheGrey | tremon: thank you for responsding. It seems that in my root folder is littered with pulse stuff. But back onto this file, where should .asoundrc be? In the "/" folder? |
| 17:46.28 | drasko | other networks work correctly |
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| 17:46.44 | drasko | so I suspect on some Network Manager configuration leftover from Squeeze |
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| 17:47.21 | drasko | but it is still strange that iwlist does not scan my router, even with Network Manager stopped. |
| 17:47.26 | tremon | TheGrey: in the root folder of your home directory, yes |
| 17:48.26 | TheGrey | tremon: thanks and should I swap the sound card order too? |
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| 17:49.19 | wjtaylor_ | tremon: let me clarify. I'm using partition based, but the raid doesn't strip to the partition. It uses parity. |
| 17:49.30 | tremon | that depends on your preference, and which card you use mostly. I am guessing that the nvidia output is your hdmi connection, and that you would want the on-board as your default |
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| 17:50.21 | tremon | wjtaylor_: then I wouldn't add a 4k-drive into the array before making sure that all partitions in the original array are neatly 4k-aligned |
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| 17:53.15 | wjtaylor_ | ok |
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| 17:56.55 | Jemt | Hi. I need to mass download thousands of files over HTTP. I currently use wget for that. Unfortunately it doesn't retry files that results in a temporary "500 Internal server error". Any suggestions ? |
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| 17:57.47 | TheGrey | tremon: thanks. I'm sort of lost in trying to have proper code for the asoundrc file. Could you post me the code? I tried leaving it at 0 but it didn't work ;_;...I ask because I'm not sure what I do with the ctl paragragh.. |
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| 17:58.33 | drasko | tremon, OK, installed Wheezy drivers, from the instruction found here : http://wiki.debian.org/wl#Wheezy. Same behaviour : networks work, but ONLY my router is NOT seen. It is seen however on Windows machine next to my Linux machine |
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| 17:59.51 | drasko | I guess that MAC address of the router ismleft somewhere in NM config, and it might be blacklister or something |
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| 18:01.24 | tremon | TheGrey: I'm always ignoring the ctl paragraph. What I posted earlier is exactly what's in my .asoundrc, expect for the device name |
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| 18:02.11 | tremon | drasko: I don't use wireless networks here, the only thing I would suggest is changing the channel on your router, see if it makes a difference |
| 18:02.49 | drasko | tremon, tried it alredy... Does not help much ;( |
| 18:02.50 | TheGrey | tremon: Thanks but should there be two } at the end of that? |
| 18:03.29 | tremon | TheGrey: no, sorry. only one :) |
| 18:04.29 | tremon | i'll be away for dinner, if no one here can help you further, you can always try #alsa |
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| 18:05.08 | TheGrey | tremon: thanks can I quickly dumo the asound.rc for you insepection? |
| 18:05.26 | TheGrey | tremon: http://pastebin.com/h0bLCG4G |
| 18:05.44 | TheGrey | tremon: imma just worried about the no space in the :SB |
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| 18:40.26 | Jemt | How can I reduce the execution time for a cron job ? I want a specific job to be killed if it exceeds one hour of execution time |
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| 18:41.55 | dvs | Jemt: Create a second cron job to kill the first one? |
| 18:42.34 | Jemt | Okay, kind of hoped that there was an option for that - like for server side scripts |
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| 18:43.15 | dvs | Jemt: Not it cron itself |
| 18:43.23 | dvs | *in |
| 18:43.54 | Jemt | Okay, thanks |
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| 18:45.50 | jmoll | I don't know if this is the place to ask, but I seem to be having trouble subscribing to the debian-announce list. I send the CONFIRM response but never get a response back |
| 18:46.18 | jhutchins_wk | jmoll: Do you have it whitelisted? |
| 18:46.21 | dvs | jmoll: confirm in the subject field? |
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| 18:47.23 | jmoll | Yup, I've tried adding @lists.debian.org to the safe-senders list |
| 18:47.57 | jmoll | Yes, confirm in the subject field. I just recently changed my email host and switched the MX records, but that was 24 hours ago and I am receiving email from other sources |
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| 18:48.01 | dondelelcaro | jmoll: what's the message id of the message you sent? [you can /msg me; it's not really germane for this channel] |
| 18:50.23 | jhutchins_wk | jmoll: You would think if you're getting the confirmation mail, you should be ok (that's the whole point). |
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| 19:15.01 | rozz | I was running sudo apt-get dist-upgrade when my computer had to be turned off. What should I do to make sure that everything is updated correctly / repaired now that I have rebooted the computer? |
| 19:15.21 | rozz | Ouch. If it even reboots... |
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| 19:16.25 | invariant | When I do Control-Alt-F9 I can switch to alternative X sessions. Is there some upperbound on the number of those? If so, why? Also how can I switch beyond F12? |
| 19:17.03 | Towzzer | My keyboard doesn't have f13 : ( |
| 19:18.32 | invariant | Towzzer, that's not the problem. |
| 19:18.53 | rozz | I think I destroyed my linux install because I had to turn it off while it was updating. What can I do to fix this? |
| 19:18.55 | invariant | Towzzer, the problem is whether there is some X limitation. |
| 19:19.08 | invariant | rozz, livecd + chroot. |
| 19:19.22 | rozz | invariant: Can't do livecd; netbook. |
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| 20:19.52 | Leoneof | hello, is it possible to use this: http://qt-kde.debian.net/ to upgrade kde in Wheezy? |
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| 20:30.51 | Eryn_1983_FL | hey peeps, |
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| 20:33.11 | debianuser_ | hi, I'm trying to mount a samba share with mount -t cifs //10.51.51.252/media/Music /home/martin/Music/ -o user=martin,passwort=??? but i get mount: //10.51.51.252/media/Music is not a valid block device |
| 20:33.19 | debianuser_ | has anyone a idea whats going on? |
| 20:34.10 | tremon | cifs-utils installed? |
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| 20:34.50 | debianuser_ | no i will install it :) |
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| 20:35.12 | debianuser_ | yeah it works!!!!! yeah man |
| 20:35.18 | debianuser_ | thanks tremon ::= |
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| 20:38.21 | bobweaver | hello there I was wondering if anyone would talk to me about screenshots.debian.org |
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| 20:39.14 | bobweaver | I am writing a app and I need to add the "application" that is not available in a screen shot |
| 20:39.19 | bobweaver | like http://screenshots.debian.net/upload?packagename=kazam |
| 20:39.42 | bobweaver | would be for kazam but that does not work just wondering if anyone knows the path |
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| 20:41.03 | stackofcats | anybody managed squeeze to boot when the whole system is located within an LVM on top of an mdadm-raid1, while using GPT? |
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| 20:41.56 | stackofcats | I think I ran into this one: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=673573 |
| 20:42.02 | bobweaver | http://imagebin.org/245391 |
| 20:42.09 | Vasistha | stackofcats: grub or lilo? |
| 20:42.20 | stackofcats | after moving /boot to an extra md-device outside of the LVM, grub2 installs, but does not boot |
| 20:42.20 | ari_elle | sorry quick question what is the current status of modern init system for debian (iirc openrc was in discussion) |
| 20:42.21 | bobweaver | that should give a better idea of what I am trying to do |
| 20:42.23 | stackofcats | grub2, sry |
| 20:43.05 | Vasistha | stackofcats: are you sure you've got all the right commands specified in your boot parameters? |
| 20:44.23 | stackofcats | Vasistha: I triple-checked them, yes. I have a similar setup running under gentoo and fedora and this is the first time I'm running into this issue. where else could I look to debug this? |
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| 20:45.22 | Vasistha | stackofcats: I don't really have any idea, sorry. hmm. if you e.g. boot from CD or usb or another device, are you able to mount the device? |
| 20:46.00 | stackofcats | Vasistha: yes I can mount each device |
| 20:46.20 | Vasistha | stackofcats: I wonder if grub2 is loading all the necessary modules? |
| 20:46.42 | stackofcats | Vasistha: the insmod directives are at least included in the grub.cfg |
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| 20:49.33 | Vasistha | stackofcats: I've never run any raid, so I'm really playing a guessing game here. But ... are you sure you ran the proper grub-mkconfig, etc, after moving? If not, perhaps it's useful to boot from another device and use chroot to get things set up properly? |
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| 20:51.25 | stackofcats | Vasistha: that's exactly what I did. I booted from a live cd, chrooted into the system, installed grub from within (which worked only after running /boot excluded from the lvm) and then ran grub-mkconfig. |
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| 20:51.56 | stackofcats | Vasistha: I also updated the initramfs of course |
| 20:52.06 | Vasistha | dang. |
| 20:52.15 | chris_99 | hey, i'm wondering if anyones got any ideas why i wouldn't be able to get a VNC connection spawned in debian, running xen |
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| 20:52.29 | Vasistha | sounds like you may need help on a weekday... super bowl sunday seems to be an awfully quiet time. |
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| 20:52.58 | stackofcats | Vasistha: oh I totally forgot about that :) |
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| 20:53.12 | stackofcats | Vasistha: thx for trying anyway |
| 20:53.28 | tremon | stackofcats: first things first; with lvm on gpt, grub needs two partitions outside of lvm, i.e. /boot and BBP. Do you have both? |
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| 20:53.38 | _martin | how can i handle whitespace in file paths? I tried something like that mount -t cifs //10.51.51.252/martin/AppData/Roaming/X-Chat\ 2 |
| 20:53.47 | _martin | bad i got always bad fstab |
| 20:53.59 | tremon | _martin: use quotes |
| 20:54.07 | _martin | the hole path? |
| 20:54.08 | stackofcats | tremon: BBP is the ef02 partition? I got that one, yes. |
| 20:54.10 | tremon | but what you have should word |
| 20:54.11 | _martin | okay i will try |
| 20:54.14 | tremon | s/word/work/ |
| 20:54.34 | tremon | stackofcats: yes, it's the bios boot partition. grub won't install without, but I wanted to make sure |
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| 20:55.56 | stackofcats | tremon: but having only /boot outside should be sufficient right? because if grubis able to locate kernel and initramdisk it should be enough. so the rest should be fine being run within the lvm. |
| 20:56.19 | stackofcats | tremon: just that it insists on 'no such disk' |
| 20:56.36 | tremon | yes, grub only needs to read the kernel image (and initramfs), after that it's up to the kernel itself |
| 20:57.00 | tremon | stackofcats: when does it say "no such disk", when generating grub.conf or at boot? |
| 20:57.35 | stackofcats | tremon: only at boot, which is strange. I ran grub-probe with verbose output and it was all fine as well. the UUIDS match, I have no clue what the issue could be like. |
| 20:58.03 | stackofcats | tremon: I was just hoping someone has experienced that with squeeze as well |
| 20:58.20 | tremon | can you paste your /boot/grub/grub.cfg ? |
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| 20:59.13 | tremon | the bugreport you linked involves grub failing to generate grub.conf, not failing to boot |
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| 21:01.36 | stackofcats | tremon: yes my first attempt was runnign everything within the LVM, because it worked in gentoo and fedora and I was unaware of that bug. the I repartitioned and recreated the raid and created an extra /boot. then grub-probe worked, but I have the boot issue. I just started from scratch. I will paste my grub.cfg if I am at the pint where the issue occurs again. |
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| 21:03.37 | Vasistha | hmm. I am able to connect to an unsecured wireless network, but no luck with a WEP-secured one. Using an RTL8187SE card, with wheezy and linux 3.2.0 on i386 |
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| 21:05.00 | nfk | can debian safely boot from / being on LVM2? |
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| 21:05.27 | nfk | yes, i know, it's not a recommended layout but apart from UEFI foo i can't have /boot on a real partition |
| 21:06.15 | nfk | and by / being on lvm2 i mean no separate /boot at all as it would make no sense |
| 21:06.31 | stackofcats | nfk: are you referring to my issue or did you just join the channel (I have join hidden) |
| 21:06.32 | Vasistha | nfk: I'm pretty sure I've done so using LILO, and if I'm not mistaken, grub2 was designed to be able to support that as well |
| 21:06.48 | nfk | stackofcats, i just joined |
| 21:07.00 | stackofcats | nfk: I tried just the same thing that and ran into this bug using grub2 on squeeze: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=673573 |
| 21:07.00 | nfk | Vasistha, yes, grub2 should be able to do it |
| 21:07.12 | nfk | but after opensuse making my laptop unbootable, i'm not so sure anymore |
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| 21:07.22 | nfk | both fedora and kubuntu previously could boot that layout |
| 21:07.25 | nfk | but not opensuse |
| 21:07.45 | stackofcats | nfk: it seems that currently debian needs /boot to be outside of the lvm |
| 21:07.54 | nfk | stackofcats, that's no good |
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| 21:08.15 | stackofcats | nfk: I have other issues though, but /boot seems to be for sure |
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| 21:08.23 | nfk | urgh |
| 21:08.37 | nfk | will i really be forced to use kubuntu or install gentoo? |
| 21:09.01 | stackofcats | nfk: with gentoo it will work. but on servers I want to use debian stable only |
| 21:09.12 | nfk | yes, i know that gentoo will work |
| 21:09.24 | nfk | but i'm trying to get rid of gentoo in my life |
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| 21:10.03 | stackofcats | nfk: why is running /boot separated an issue for you as long as that bug exists? |
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| 21:10.22 | nfk | because i'm on pc partition layout |
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| 21:10.29 | nfk | 1 windows/bios/whatever |
| 21:10.34 | nfk | 2 windows |
| 21:10.37 | nfk | 3 data |
| 21:10.38 | basic6 | which version of rekonq is currently in the repository for debian wheezy? |
| 21:10.42 | nfk | 4 my lunix lvm |
| 21:10.50 | nfk | fedora 16 made the lvm2 and its layout |
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| 21:11.04 | stackofcats | nfk: ok this is bad news |
| 21:11.27 | nfk | and it worked with fedora 17 too but fedora is bad and their kde versions are sub-par and regularly fubared by the gnomeers |
| 21:11.50 | nfk | and then kubuntu 12.04 was able to use that layout too |
| 21:11.52 | z0z0z | How should I bind a command line call to a key binding? What I added in Compiz config isn't working. |
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| 21:11.59 | stackofcats | nfk: the bugreport says in experimental it is fixed. but I have not even tried to pin that version in |
| 21:11.59 | nfk | though it forced me to use that good for nothing ext4 |
| 21:12.06 | nfk | ha |
| 21:12.18 | nfk | experimental, the one that eats babies 4 times a year? |
| 21:13.02 | stackofcats | nfk: nah it's not that bad, but I have not checked what dependency issues come up if I try to pull it as an extra /boot does not hurt me |
| 21:13.20 | nfk | it's literally impossible |
| 21:13.27 | nfk | i'd have to make / the only partition |
| 21:13.31 | nfk | and then i can't have my /home |
| 21:13.40 | nfk | and that's absolutely no good |
| 21:14.03 | stackofcats | nfk: and you cannot use extended partitions? |
| 21:14.15 | PerfDave | You could lose the data partition, or make that extended. |
| 21:14.19 | nfk | stackofcats, why can't i use lvm2? it's like extended partitions only much better |
| 21:14.43 | stackofcats | nfk: I know that |
| 21:14.50 | nfk | PerfDave, yes, i could do that, not that there's anything of importance of it, except some old data i'll hopefully never will need |
| 21:15.10 | nfk | PerfDave, but i'd also like windows to be able to use that partition |
| 21:15.22 | nfk | and that's not happening |
| 21:15.27 | nfk | i don't want ntfs /home |
| 21:15.29 | PerfDave | nfk: Could Windows not use it if it were an extended partition? |
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| 21:15.43 | nfk | and who knows what will happen with permissions |
| 21:15.59 | nfk | PerfDave, 7, maybe |
| 21:16.04 | nfk | xp was certainly flacky in that regard |
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| 21:16.13 | nfk | PerfDave, the main problem is fs |
| 21:16.18 | nfk | i want xfs where possible |
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| 21:16.25 | PerfDave | I'm sure I had that set up on a Windows 7 / Debian dual-boot |
| 21:16.30 | nfk | but if it needs to be shared with windows, then only ntfs is an option |
| 21:16.38 | PerfDave | Or FAT32 :) |
| 21:16.39 | nfk | PerfDave, /home on ntfs? |
| 21:16.41 | nfk | no |
| 21:16.45 | nfk | that's worse than ext |
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| 21:16.47 | PerfDave | nfk: No, extended shared partition |
| 21:16.47 | nfk | maybe |
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| 21:17.34 | nfk | PerfDave, and i still can't understand why booting from lvm2 is not possible while extended partitions are just fluffy |
| 21:17.38 | PerfDave | Unfortuantely the HDD that was on died so I can't check. |
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| 21:18.05 | z0z0z | ugh. |
| 21:18.09 | PerfDave | nfk: Sounds to me that you're complaining that the way you want to do things doesn't work, rather than looking for a solution to your problem. |
| 21:18.24 | nfk | PerfDave, what other solution is there but a distro that works? |
| 21:18.36 | nfk | fedora works but is bad |
| 21:18.56 | Vasistha | this page here: http://wireless.kernel.org/en/users/Drivers/rtl8187 seems to suggest that my rtl8187se card is not supported by the rtl818x driver, however the module listed by lsmod is r8187se, which I assume probably does support my card... modinfo r8187se suggests that there is an issue with WEP, anyone know how to do software WEP? |
| 21:18.59 | PerfDave | nfk: People have suggested various things you can try, and you've just dismissed them. So if you're not going to listen, you're probably out of luck. |
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| 21:19.02 | nfk | kubuntu works but as usual their kde integration (or integration of anything else, it's *ubuntu after all) is not that god |
| 21:19.04 | nfk | *good |
| 21:19.21 | nfk | PerfDave, if i could do what they have suggested, i would |
| 21:19.33 | nfk | well, extended partition one is an option |
| 21:19.35 | Vasistha | ...or how to try out the hwwep kernel parameter, which attempts to use hardware wep support? |
| 21:19.38 | PerfDave | #pointlesswhining is ----> over there ;) |
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| 21:19.54 | nfk | though i would rather avoid the fun of losing my setting and ssh keys under /hoe |
| 21:19.56 | nfk | */home |
| 21:19.57 | tremon | nfk: last time I checked, the only official debian installer (squeeze) doesn't support /boot on lvm. that's not to say that it's impossible with the grub in wheezy |
| 21:20.04 | nfk | while they could be restored, sure |
| 21:20.15 | nfk | tremon, thanks |
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| 21:20.45 | stackofcats | nfk: in your situation I would try to figure out if pulling the experimental version works |
| 21:20.57 | nfk | i guess i'll try installing kubuntu and hope it gets better in the future |
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| 21:21.24 | nfk | stackofcats, i don't know that much about debian to be pulling some stuff from experimental, especially mid-installation |
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| 21:21.41 | nfk | though i know from experience that i do not fancy the way experimental is broken fairly often |
| 21:21.48 | nfk | *know |
| 21:21.52 | nfk | eh |
| 21:21.56 | stackofcats | nfk: installer will not work probably. I would setup partitions manually and run debootstrap |
| 21:21.57 | nfk | it seems i can't type anymore |
| 21:22.27 | nfk | stackofcats, unfortunately if we're talking low-level stuff like that i'm only capable of using gentoo at that level |
| 21:22.41 | stackofcats | nfk: but no garanties it is even possible to integrate a newer grub2 into squeeze. if it was, they'd maybe done it at least for wheezy |
| 21:22.49 | nfk | well, i'll just grit my teeth and try kubuntu 12.10 |
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| 21:23.13 | nfk | i hope they haven't "updated" the installer to that good for nothing bling-bling thing that ubuntu 12.10 has |
| 21:23.19 | nfk | no lvm2 support at all |
| 21:23.37 | stackofcats | nfk: the thought of disposing gentoo for kubuntu kind of hurts quite bad but good luck with that though |
| 21:23.54 | nfk | no, this is gentoo |
| 21:24.08 | nfk | the laptop that's currently showing lovely grub2 prompt has not been gentoo for years |
| 21:24.22 | stackofcats | nfk: ah that's your fedora machine, right? |
| 21:24.25 | nfk | not exactly fun to compile most of kde 4 on a laptop |
| 21:24.39 | nfk | well, it was fedora last year, then it was kubuntu |
| 21:24.43 | nfk | and this year i tried opensuse |
| 21:24.46 | Vasistha | nfk: I expect it's not fun on a desktop either |
| 21:24.52 | nfk | last time i get talked into stupid things, i swear |
| 21:25.12 | nfk | i really should learn not to listen to fanboys |
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| 21:25.26 | Vasistha | trouble is identifying them |
| 21:25.34 | nfk | i think i'm already doing well with ignoring the amd liars |
| 21:26.16 | _martin | re :) u can do also whitespace with ascii btw. \040 :) |
| 21:26.32 | nfk | Vasistha, gentoo would be mostly fine if not for the average gentoo developer |
| 21:26.57 | nfk | things they have done due to systemd hate are almost as bad as what debian did to openssl years ago |
| 21:27.20 | stackofcats | nfk: thats just rayo and folks |
| 21:27.33 | stackofcats | nfk: not much damage done yet, though |
| 21:27.49 | nfk | regarding the openssl? |
| 21:28.00 | nfk | or do you also have some anti-systemd nutjobs? |
| 21:28.03 | stackofcats | nfk: no regarding gentoos eudev |
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| 21:28.13 | nfk | not that i find systemd just peachy |
| 21:28.13 | stackofcats | nfk: but maybe we should take that to #gentoo |
| 21:28.25 | nfk | they have put me on ignore for.... a long time |
| 21:28.35 | stackofcats | lol |
| 21:28.37 | nfk | remember, i don't like them |
| 21:28.52 | nfk | that was before they even did the current level of hurt |
| 21:29.14 | stackofcats | nfk: currently it is not that bad. It was a lot worse before |
| 21:29.17 | nfk | stackofcats, eudev is fine in itself, the problem is they are messing with udev too |
| 21:29.24 | nfk | the have undone /usr-move |
| 21:29.27 | nfk | and stuff like that |
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| 21:29.42 | nfk | there's not even an option to get vanilla udev on gentoo as far as i can tell |
| 21:29.51 | nfk | *they |
| 21:30.16 | nfk | it's literally just blind hate at this point |
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| 21:30.51 | stackofcats | nfk: I'm not sure how bad it would break their openrc stuff |
| 21:31.05 | nfk | sure, i get that some devs are upset due to their systems being broken but you really have to wonder why they are too cool for initrd when they had the guts to go with weird layout like separate /usr |
| 21:31.36 | nfk | stackofcats, openrc? not the least bit, it breaks their childish soulds |
| 21:31.38 | nfk | *souls |
| 21:31.44 | nfk | yes i know they are much older than me |
| 21:31.49 | nfk | but seriously, they are acting like kids |
| 21:32.05 | stackofcats | I know, I read the dev mailinglist |
| 21:32.23 | nfk | stackofcats, you should be aware that gentoo has this devrel thing |
| 21:32.24 | stackofcats | it almost hurts physically |
| 21:32.33 | nfk | basically only the gentoo developers see the internal stuff |
| 21:32.48 | nfk | what you get to see is just some embers from time to time |
| 21:33.08 | stackofcats | nfk: yes, that's only when they decide to ridicule themselves in public |
| 21:33.46 | stackofcats | that is actually the worst part of it |
| 21:33.48 | nfk | more like when the gentoo developer omerta is broken by some unruly fellow |
| 21:33.53 | nfk | which is often quickly stoned |
| 21:34.09 | ctmjr | when did this become a bash gentoo channel? |
| 21:34.11 | stackofcats | ok but let's stop that here or take it to #debian-chat at least |
| 21:34.21 | nfk | ctmjr, right, sorry |
| 21:34.29 | stackofcats | #debian-offtopic that is |
| 21:34.39 | stackofcats | sry ctmjr |
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| 21:36.37 | jhambo | Hi All. I'm on squeeze. It seems as though basically all flash video is broken for me as of today. Is there any way to get this working again? |
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| 21:39.53 | jhambo | It seems most websites have gone over to a new version of flash that is now unsupported in Debian. Is that right? |
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| 21:42.30 | cra1g321 | jhambo are you using Chrome ? |
| 21:42.43 | zykotick9 | !tell ctmjr about greenhouse |
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| 21:48.05 | Vasistha | oh, it's so frustrating when wireless won't work, it blocks working on *anything* else, as I can't install or configure anything else at all. Blast it. |
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| 21:57.38 | jhambo | cra1g321: chrome doesn't work. Neither does firefox. |
| 21:58.34 | dvs | jham: flash-nonfree in nonfree? |
| 21:59.04 | cra1g321 | i got "couldnt load plugins" when using chrome, fixed it by disabling libpepflashplayer |
| 21:59.47 | PerfDave | Anybody know why the Debian (wheezy) VLC builds don't have UPnP support? Apparently the Windows builds do. |
| 21:59.54 | PerfDave | Vasistha: Always have a backup cable ;) |
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| 22:00.24 | Vasistha | PerfDave: well, I don't even have physical access to the router. I actually do have a cable, but it's not doing me any good. |
| 22:01.03 | jham | howdy... |
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| 22:03.15 | jhambo | dvs: yah that's installed |
| 22:03.51 | jhambo | cra1g321: ah yes just stumbled on that solution (sort of) I just removed the PepperFlash directory. |
| 22:03.58 | jhambo | thanks |
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| 22:30.36 | Eryn_1983_FL | hey peeps was there a new update to google-chrome i dont know about? |
| 22:30.44 | Eryn_1983_FL | my flash is not working anywhere anymore |
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| 22:39.19 | jelly-home | Eryn_1983_FL: uh... ask google? |
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| 22:41.36 | Eryn_1983_FL | workin on it |
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| 22:43.40 | Eryn_1983_FL | weird.. |
| 22:43.43 | Eryn_1983_FL | its google-chrome |
| 22:43.57 | Eryn_1983_FL | flash works on my system, with firefox |
| 22:44.38 | jelly-home | google-chrome has its own flash binary, at least on 32bit systems |
| 22:44.51 | fall0w^ | Installing on a new Seagate HDD which is "4k Advanced Format ready", should I be worried about making sure the sectors are 4K large when I partition the disc? |
| 22:44.51 | Eryn_1983_FL | yeah |
| 22:45.10 | nevyn | you should ensure it's 4k aligned. |
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| 22:45.34 | nevyn | but it's not so critical that you use 4k sectors. |
| 22:45.36 | jelly-home | fall0w^: no, and using debian 6 will make sure any partitions you create are properly aligned |
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| 22:46.04 | fall0w^ | right, I'll try not to worry about it |
| 22:46.10 | jelly-home | (unless you go out of your way to change defaults in fdisk or gparted or whatever) |
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| 22:46.18 | Vasistha | ah, finally found some good instructions for using CLI iwconfig. So after doing iwconfig wlan0 mode managed key xxx, exit code is 0, but iwconfig wlan0 shoes enctryption key: off |
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| 22:46.47 | Vasistha | the essid is set properly, so how do I get this encryption key to go on? |
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| 22:48.49 | ZekeS | Vasistha: wpa or wep? |
| 22:48.59 | Vasistha | ZekeS: wep |
| 22:49.24 | PerfDave | Vasistha: You do know that wep is horribly broken, right? :) |
| 22:50.02 | Vasistha | PerfDave: yes, but that's the connection that is available to me. |
| 22:50.22 | ZekeS | I pretty much only know how to use wpa_supplicant, lol >.> |
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| 22:50.47 | Vasistha | ZekeS: well, I tried that as well, but it also failed, and I couldn't get much detailed info. |
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| 22:54.41 | alanjf | Ok, I've read http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-relationships.html about the specification of "Depends:" type lines in deb control files, where you can have (>= 1.2.3) for setting version requirements and [i386] for arch requirements, |
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| 22:55.35 | alanjf | But it doesn't say how to combine version and arch specifications. Should it go "Depends: packagename (>= 1.2.3) [i386]" or "Depends: packagename [i386] (>= 1.2.3)" or does it matter? |
| 22:58.00 | PerfDave | alanjf: Look at another package for an example? |
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| 23:02.19 | stackofcats | tremon, back again, reconstructed my GPT/grub2/mdadm/lvm mess. you asked me to post my grub.cfg. there it is: https://gist.github.com/4704088 |
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| 23:03.26 | alanjf | PerfDave: well, if I can find one, but that doesn't explain why the spec doesn't make that more clear. |
| 23:04.17 | stackofcats | boot still fails complaining "no such disk". grub installed without failure, grub-probe reports nothing of interest, mkconfig runs well, just booting does not work |
| 23:04.21 | PerfDave | alanjf: File a bug against the policy document? :) |
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| 23:06.43 | shakaponk | hey guyz, installed debian squeeze, upgraded to wheezy, first installation was with gnome (login successful in wheezy), then installed kde and removed gnome, now i have a black screen after login. anybody knows about that issue? |
| 23:07.58 | PerfDave | alanjf: Doesn't seem to be anything relevant to your specific concern in http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?pkg=debian-policy |
| 23:08.05 | stackofcats | shakaponk: is it just plain black or is it just a tty displaying a login propmt because no X login manager was found? |
| 23:08.14 | shakaponk | i'm just seen a completely black screen and a white mouse cursor |
| 23:09.00 | shakaponk | stackofcats: no tty, just when i press the power button, i'm gettin to tty with login |
| 23:09.14 | pythonsnake | do you think a static site generator needs a dedi server for it? |
| 23:09.16 | pythonsnake | like jekyll |
| 23:09.24 | pythonsnake | is ~200mb of ram enough |
| 23:09.30 | pythonsnake | ? |
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| 23:10.08 | stackofcats | shakaponk: can you get X to work from a tty using xinit or startx? |
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| 23:10.53 | stackofcats | shakaponk: if not, the content of /var/log/Xorg.0.log might be interesting. |
| 23:10.58 | shakaponk | stackofcats: i'm quite new to debian and also not a professional in linux |
| 23:11.15 | shakaponk | how can i get to the terminal? don't see anything |
| 23:11.23 | stackofcats | shakaponk: no problem. |
| 23:11.24 | shakaponk | oh got it |
| 23:11.57 | stackofcats | shakaponk: what exactly have you done to "remove gnome" and "install kde"? |
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| 23:13.41 | shakaponk | stackofcats: i've installed kdm and plasma-kde-desktop |
| 23:14.01 | shakaponk | stackofcats: apt-get autoremove --purge gnome* |
| 23:14.20 | shakaponk | now i have a look at the log file, what should i look for? |
| 23:15.51 | stackofcats | ok what is the content of /etc/X11/default-display-manager |
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| 23:16.06 | shakaponk | stackofcats: when i execute xinit: i get this: fatal server error: server is already active for display 0 if this server is no longer running remove /tmp...lock |
| 23:16.51 | shakaponk | stackofcats: its /usr/bin/kdm |
| 23:17.09 | themill | alanjf: actually, policy is quite clear about the arch specifier going at the end even if it doesn't show an example of it. |
| 23:17.47 | stackofcats | shakaponk: this error just means there is an xserver already running at :0. that is all fine |
| 23:19.07 | stackofcats | can you check if kdm is actually running by looking at ps -elf | grep kdm |
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| 23:20.19 | Towzzer | pgrep kdm |
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| 23:21.17 | shakaponk_ | stackofcats: sorry, lost connection. kdm seems to run |
| 23:21.41 | shakaponk_ | am i gone again? |
| 23:21.49 | phogg | shakaponk_: no |
| 23:21.59 | shakaponk_ | ah, ok |
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| 23:22.46 | shakaponk_ | got this process /usr/bin/kdm -config /var/run/kdm/kdmrc |
| 23:23.03 | stackofcats | shakaponk_: that seems alright |
| 23:23.31 | shakaponk_ | i also get the right login screen, i guess kdm is responsible for that |
| 23:23.55 | stackofcats | shakaponk_: what do you mean by right login screen? |
| 23:24.10 | shakaponk_ | how can i restart the xserver? |
| 23:24.31 | stackofcats | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:24.37 | shakaponk_ | before i saw the gnome login screen, but after installing the login screen changed () |
| 23:24.58 | stackofcats | or before I get killed here 'service kdm restart' |
| 23:25.36 | shakaponk_ | :-) same effect... black screen with the mouse pointer |
| 23:27.10 | stackofcats | and gdm worked right after your wheezy upgrade |
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| 23:27.32 | shakaponk_ | stackofcats: yes, worked ok |
| 23:27.47 | shakaponk_ | could log in and everything seemed fine :-) |
| 23:27.57 | dino- | Can anyone explain to me why the PPA thing in Ubuntu exists? I mean, what does it do that apt repos don't do? |
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| 23:28.13 | dino- | I've never been able to figure this out from casual searches |
| 23:28.14 | stackofcats | dino-: try #ubuntu |
| 23:28.26 | dino- | stackofcats: I'm asking here specifically so I don't get the Ubuntu bullshit line. |
| 23:28.39 | dino- | I'm sure they think it's the best thing since the invention of outhouses. |
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| 23:29.35 | shakaponk_ | stackofcats: could it be this? http://blog.christophersmart.com/2012/03/23/kde-black-screen-bug-after-updates/ |
| 23:29.47 | stackofcats | shakaponk_: is there anything strange in the last lines of /var/log/syslog /var/log/Xorg.0.log /var/log/daemon.log or dmesg? |
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| 23:30.03 | zykotick9 | dino-: PPAs are just hosted repos that anyone can create - no quality control at all. |
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| 23:30.11 | stackofcats | shakaponk_: at the moment I have no clue why gdm would work perfectly but kdm wouldn't |
| 23:30.38 | dino- | zykotick9: But anybody could make an apt repo as well, that somebody gets to add to their sources.list |
| 23:31.06 | zykotick9 | dino-: same idea. canonical just hosts it for people. |
| 23:31.18 | shakaponk_ | stackofcats: in dmesg i got something: platform r600_cp.0: firmware: agent aborted loading radeon/RS780_pfp.bin (not found?) |
| 23:31.31 | dino- | I guess I don't get why Canonical couldn't have just hosted an apt repo or repos for people. Why a whole different thing. |
| 23:32.08 | shakaponk_ | drm:r600_do_init_cp *error* failed to load firmware |
| 23:32.14 | zykotick9 | dino-: PPAs are just apt repos... not something different at all </OT> good luck. |
| 23:32.17 | shakaponk_ | stackofcats: driver missing? |
| 23:33.45 | themill | dino-: it's not a whole different thing. |
| 23:34.12 | dino- | themill: I see. So I can just add those to a Debian sources.list? |
| 23:34.24 | stackofcats | shakaponk_: well that is interesting. but gdm shoudl have the same issue as this is X-related. can you pastebin your /var/log/Xorg.0.log? |
| 23:34.28 | themill | dino-: no. |
| 23:34.32 | zykotick9 | dino-: don't mix distros! |
| 23:34.35 | themill | dpkg: tell dino- about why not a ppa |
| 23:35.08 | ompaul | dino-: send this message to dpkg the channel bot /msg dpkg frankendebian |
| 23:35.21 | stackofcats | shakaponk_: just install pastebinit and run pastebinit < /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 23:35.22 | shakaponk_ | stackofcats: that will be difficult, because i'm on an other machine here :-) |
| 23:35.54 | stackofcats | shakaponk_: as long as the concerned machine has internet access it is no big deal |
| 23:36.10 | shakaponk_ | stackofcats: i'll try, but not sure, since i have only wifi here |
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| 23:36.34 | stackofcats | shakaponk_: pastebinit will just give you a short url you can paste here |
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| 23:36.45 | stackofcats | shakaponk_: ah wifi, I see |
| 23:37.09 | shakaponk_ | stackofcats: can i create a wifi connection from shell? |
| 23:37.41 | stackofcats | shakaponk_: yes you can: http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/HowToUse#Command_Line |
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| 23:38.07 | stackofcats | it's a bit ugly but it works |
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| 23:39.01 | shakaponk_ | stackofcats: thx, i'll try. if i will be kicked, i'll be back ;-) |
| 23:39.18 | stackofcats | good luck |
| 23:39.31 | Vasistha | shakaponk_: http://wirelessdefence.org/Contents/LinuxWirelessCommands.htm |
| 23:39.59 | stackofcats | great link |
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| 23:41.18 | phogg | good link, but it omits wpa_suppllicat and rfkill |
| 23:41.46 | Vasistha | stackofcats: wish it could help me :P but this thing just doesn't seem to work. I've tried both dhcp and static, but wep just doesn't seem to work, can't associate with the AP |
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| 23:43.53 | armin | hmmm, could anyone point out why an apt-get purge foo dropped my /etc/foo.bak as well? |
| 23:43.59 | armin | is that just the way purge works? |
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| 23:45.04 | stackofcats | Vasistha: I hate wireless lan |
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| 23:45.21 | klakier | why? it is comfy |
| 23:45.49 | Vasistha | stackofcats: do you mean that you hate how difficult it is to make it work, due to a variety of stupid reasons? |
| 23:45.50 | stackofcats | no, it gives me headaches when I have to find out why a reoeater causes 80% package loss an such |
| 23:46.07 | stackofcats | I just hate in in general |
| 23:46.39 | pbxbrian | stackofcats: same vendor? |
| 23:46.51 | stackofcats | pbxbrian: same vendor |
| 23:47.59 | stackofcats | pbxbrian: but I recycled old wlan-routers of that same vendor as repeaters. it works according to the vendor but caused only problems here |
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| 23:49.35 | stackofcats | pbxbrian: I also had issues with an usb-wireless-dongle that was not able to pull enough power via the usb port and resulted in doing fancy stuff to my arp tables |
| 23:49.48 | stackofcats | so, I just hate wireless lan :] |
| 23:50.14 | klakier | understood sir ;) |
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| 23:51.22 | cadfael | Havent seen many pkg upgrades on testing lately. Anyone know when da freeze ends ??? |
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| 23:51.44 | l8star | hi |
| 23:52.07 | klakier | i do not upgrade packages at all both on server and on notebook :D |
| 23:52.13 | gnarface | cadfael: only god knows; everyone else is guessing |
| 23:52.44 | zykotick9 | klakier: ya, who needs security fixes </sarcasm> |
| 23:53.02 | cadfael | gnarface: well, i had to ask. thx. |
| 23:53.40 | klakier | zykotick9: good point, but what can i do, when nearly all upgrades give crashes |
| 23:53.48 | gnarface | cadfael: ask the dpkg bot in this channel about wwwr |
| 23:54.23 | PerfDave | klakier: If your upgrades cause crashes, you're doing something wrong. |
| 23:54.40 | gnarface | cadfael: (there isn't an official release date until they decide to release it, but there is a progress status page somewhere, as well as a betting pool) |
| 23:54.43 | stackofcats | well at least debian is not fixed to release dates and forced to release a broken installer ... *thinkingofanaconda* |
| 23:54.44 | pbxbrian | the debian wireless stack generally works amazingly well. |
| 23:54.52 | zykotick9 | klakier: if upgrades cause crashes, i'd speculate either 1) that isn't debian and/or 2) you have some hardare issue(s) |
| 23:55.29 | klakier | debian testing, but i upgrade it very rarely so it always messing out a lot of things |
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| 23:58.01 | klakier | i think the problem might be between chair and keyboard |