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| 00:11.11 | drphitheta | Hey, does anyone know the package that contains the man pages for the C lib? |
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| 00:11.20 | drphitheta | It has stdio, but not stdlib :/ |
| 00:12.30 | daemonkeeper | manpages-posix-dev |
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| 00:14.13 | theborger | need a little help. system got shutdown inproper and i get the error debian no init found. try passing init= bootarg |
| 00:14.34 | theborger | and i am now sitting at initramfs. how can i log in, to run fsck? |
| 00:15.52 | drphitheta | daemonkeeper: Thank you! |
| 00:17.04 | abrotman | that's fun ... |
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| 00:19.42 | mmnicolas | theborger: are you by any chance using an old Lenny with a non-UUIDed fstab and a weird bios moving the drives according to boot order and you had a usb key inserted before boot ? that would be nice |
| 00:20.24 | theborger | mmnicolas: this is on a guruplug arm cpu. there is no usb plugged in |
| 00:20.42 | theborger | mmnicolas: just stuck in ash. at initramfs |
| 00:20.49 | mmnicolas | ah.. this was far fetched anyway |
| 00:21.13 | shakaponk | started a graphical install seems to work, damn |
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| 00:21.42 | theborger | mmnicolas: never had a debian system not boot. so i am a little stuck :() |
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| 00:22.14 | chaospsychex | hi |
| 00:22.37 | theborger | mmnicolas: if i plug the sd card into another comp, can i fsck that way? |
| 00:22.46 | chaospsychex | is there a 'repair permissions utility' available ? I have done something terrible and I am scared to re-boot |
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| 00:24.14 | abrotman | chaospsychex: you can try to reinstall packages |
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| 00:24.25 | abrotman | chaospsychex: that only fixes permissions on files a package owns |
| 00:24.29 | chaospsychex | basically I ran a 'chown' cmd with a variable for the PATH but unknowingly to me the variable wasn't set and it applied to my entire file system. |
| 00:24.31 | Tramp | [01:08:24] <Tramp> chaospsychex: I feel sorry for you, but there is no way to recover from a recursive chown/chmod but restore from backup (or start over) |
| 00:24.32 | mmnicolas | theborger: that's it, I'd make an image of it first |
| 00:24.48 | Tramp | that was on ##linux quarter an hour ago |
| 00:25.10 | chaospsychex | Tramp, 0.o well hey, always good to seek a 2nd opinion |
| 00:25.38 | chaospsychex | and I am using debian, i'm not a troll |
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| 00:25.56 | mmnicolas | well, you could compare to another fresh installation and do it by hand |
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| 00:26.41 | chaospsychex | yeah..... |
| 00:26.44 | abrotman | not even by hand, you could script it .. but Tramp is right, reinstall is probably far easie |
| 00:26.47 | mmnicolas | but yes, I'm not aware of any mass-undo super feature |
| 00:26.48 | abrotman | easier |
| 00:26.49 | Tramp | unless you think, the first helper was an idiot, I don't see the value in a 2nd opinion. 2nd opinions from different doctors usually kill you |
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| 00:27.15 | Tramp | but feel free. Just allow me to inform other people, that you were already given an answer |
| 00:27.32 | chaospsychex | Tramp, I don't think your an idiot. I was just hoping that maybe, just maybe. There was a way other than reinstalling.... |
| 00:27.43 | Tramp | k |
| 00:27.46 | abrotman | you're |
| 00:27.51 | abrotman | hides |
| 00:28.02 | mmnicolas | There is, but its more tedious |
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| 00:28.12 | Tramp | abrotman: I know. I just want to keep the appearance that I'm not :) |
| 00:28.23 | chaospsychex | abrotman: lol, you're then. |
| 00:28.54 | abrotman | Tramp: i was correcting him! |
| 00:29.24 | abrotman | chaospsychex: multi-user box? real data outside /home/ ? |
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| 00:29.32 | chaospsychex | this is the first time invoking sudo has pierced me |
| 00:29.53 | Tramp | ah :) |
| 00:29.56 | chaospsychex | abrotman: i was attempting a LFS and I borked it |
| 00:30.10 | abrotman | didn't answer the questions |
| 00:30.23 | chaospsychex | abrotman: not a multi-user box |
| 00:30.36 | chaospsychex | abrotman: clarify on 'real data outside /home/ ' ???? |
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| 00:30.53 | abrotman | chaospsychex: databases in /var/, etc |
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| 00:30.59 | chaospsychex | abrotman: no |
| 00:31.13 | abrotman | would back up /home/, get a package list, start from scratch |
| 00:31.41 | chaospsychex | i should of known when I was trying to invoke autocompletion in bash. it wasn't autocompleting because $LFS wasn't set!!! and i just ignored it...... |
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| 00:32.01 | abrotman | should have |
| 00:32.01 | Tramp | abrotman: http://i.imgur.com/HL1ZR.jpg - in case you haven't seen it |
| 00:32.06 | abrotman | peeks |
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| 00:32.46 | Tramp | (apostrophe about 1/3 down ...) |
| 00:33.17 | abrotman | heh |
| 00:33.22 | chaospsychex | Tramp: wow, such anger. such hostility |
| 00:33.42 | Tramp | chaospsychex: no, it's educational for both native and non-native speakers :) |
| 00:33.45 | chaospsychex | Tramp: WELL........YOUR not very nice, LOL.....just kidding ;-p |
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| 00:34.46 | Tramp | the nice version is http://theoatmeal.com/comics/apostrophe |
| 00:35.12 | chaospsychex | lol |
| 00:35.35 | Tramp | I like this alot (and the "alot"-comic everybody knows anyways) |
| 00:35.48 | chaospsychex | bookmarks (<---do i need a ' there? LOLOLOL) for future reference |
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| 00:41.40 | chaospsychex | i'm about to do a 'sudo apt-get --nuke' and have a coke and a smile! |
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| 00:49.42 | theborger | mmnicolas: yep did not work. i really trashed it. all well reinstall time :) |
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| 00:50.50 | keegan1 | who here uses tiling managers like. specifically i3 |
| 00:50.59 | mmnicolas | keegan1: ME!! MEE!! |
| 00:51.06 | keegan1 | yay!! |
| 00:51.10 | mmnicolas | high-five! |
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| 00:51.29 | keegan1 | its basic but some things still confuse me |
| 00:52.04 | keegan1 | but yeah tiling wm FTW |
| 00:52.04 | mmnicolas | go on |
| 00:52.39 | keegan1 | for instance. i want to change the wallpaper. I;ve heard nitrogen is good but i cant do anything lol |
| 00:53.02 | keegan1 | like i installed nitrogen butt.... no options what so ever |
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| 00:54.04 | mmnicolas | what kind of options do you expect ? like scale, center and etc ? |
| 00:54.16 | keegan1 | no like i couldnt import a picture! lol |
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| 00:55.15 | keegan1 | oh nvm i just firgured it out lol |
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| 00:55.32 | mmnicolas | never heard of nitrogen, I've been using 'feh' since I use i3 and honestly I happen to see that wallpaper only like once a month, usually windows are tiled over it :) |
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| 00:56.23 | keegan1 | i know i was just curios |
| 00:56.30 | keegan1 | thats what i like about i3 |
| 00:56.44 | fahi | I don't even have a wallpaper anymore since I'm using xmonad :) |
| 00:56.52 | keegan1 | or tiling in general. just all the perfect little terminals using all the dcreen |
| 00:57.17 | keegan1 | makes you look like a h4xor too lol! |
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| 00:58.54 | keegan1 | also just curious... what irc client do you guys use.... i used ircii at first then switched to weechat for the different colors. |
| 00:59.09 | fahi | I'm still using irssi |
| 00:59.11 | mmnicolas | been using irssi |
| 00:59.16 | mmnicolas | forever |
| 00:59.30 | fahi | it has a nice nick coloring script as well |
| 00:59.37 | MiHi | could someone please explain in detail the following extract from /etc/crontab: |
| 00:59.38 | MiHi | 25 6 * * * * root test -x /usr/sbin/anacron || (cd / && run-parts --reports --report /etc/cron.daily) |
| 01:00.41 | keegan1 | another thing.... Im not actually using pure debian. im using linux mint right now because debian never recognized my lan card! |
| 01:01.05 | fahi | that'd probably be more ubuntu |
| 01:01.39 | keegan1 | yeah. well does anyone know why it doesnt recognize my card!? it should be in the kernel drivers |
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| 01:02.13 | mmnicolas | MiHi: at the 25th minute of the 6th hour of everyday of every month of every week, check if the anacron binary exist and is executable, if so then cd / and run the scripts in /etc/cron.daily and send reports to postmaster |
| 01:02.14 | streuner_ | !mint |
| 01:02.14 | dpkg | Linux Mint is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Please use their forums at http://forums.linuxmint.com/ or join #linuxmint-help on irc.spotchat.org for support. Linux Mint is variously based on <Ubuntu> with a "Linux Mint Debian Edition" (LMDE) also available, based on <testing>. See also <based on debian>, <mintppc>. |
| 01:03.01 | keegan1 | streuner: i wasnt talking about using mint. plz take time to read my posts first. |
| 01:03.29 | keegan1 | I was asking a real quesion about debian |
| 01:04.09 | streuner_ | keegan1: nevermind then, what kind of ethernet card do you use, whats the pciid? |
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| 01:04.20 | mmnicolas | keegan1: missing firmware, use the installer iso w/ firmware, ftp://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/ |
| 01:04.32 | keegan1 | Atheros Communications Inc. AR8151 v2.0 Gigabit Ethernet (rev c0) |
| 01:05.19 | streuner_ | dpkg, ar8151 |
| 01:05.20 | dpkg | The Atheros AR8151 v1.0 Gigabit Ethernet controller (PCI ID 1969:1073) is supported by the <atl1c> driver in Debian linux-image packages since linux-2.6 2.6.32-28 (Debian bug #599771), ask me about <install debian>. AR8151 v2.0 (PCI ID 1969:1083) is supported by atl1c since Linux 2.6.36, ask me about <kmuto> for device use at Debian installation time. |
| 01:05.55 | MiHi | the crontab extract is from my fresh Raspberry Pi Wheeze. what is the anacron binary for and who/what is the postmaster? |
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| 01:08.17 | streuner_ | keegan1: it seems to me, you just need a newer kernel, something newer than stable/squeeze |
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| 01:08.46 | streuner_ | keegan1: thats why the factoid prolly mention <kmuto> |
| 01:09.13 | mmnicolas | MiHi: Cron and Anacron are there for task scheduling, even if you don't intend to ever use that, there are some default maintenance task, just leave it alone |
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| 01:09.43 | keegan1 | i once tried a BPO of crunch bang and it worked BUT the installer didnt detect the car. only once it instaled did it detedct it |
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| 01:10.13 | keegan1 | *card |
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| 01:12.32 | mmnicolas | keegan1: just get my link, get the wheezy beta4 installer including firmware, put chances on your side |
| 01:13.23 | chattr | debian testing here. when trying to run gtk programs from the cli, (orage, gpodder, liferea, etc) I get ' Floating point exception '. got a core dump and running ' gdb orage core ' and doing backtrace produces this outout: http://dpaste.com/910777/ . any suggestions what's the solutin? I did an install --reinstall of libgtk2.0-0 and still get the arithmetic exception |
| 01:13.48 | streuner_ | keegan1: or use <kmuto> (/msg dpkg kmuto) if you need another alternative what mmnicolas told you |
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| 01:14.34 | MiHi | mmnicolas:thank you |
| 01:17.19 | chattr | arch is i686 if that's relevant |
| 01:18.12 | chattr | going to ask in #debian-next on oftc |
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| 01:19.51 | tuxhat | hey why u people have the old dmenu |
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| 01:20.02 | wjtaylor | How can I partition a 4k hdd to have the same size as a 512 hdd and be aligned to 4k? Can this even be done? |
| 01:20.41 | tuxhat | i don't understand debian having dwm 6.0 something with older dmenu why not dmenu 4.5 ? |
| 01:20.59 | streuner_ | judd, v dmenu |
| 01:21.01 | judd | No package named 'dmenu' was found in i386. |
| 01:21.13 | tuxhat | its suckless-tools |
| 01:21.14 | Tronic | wjtaylor: 4k HDDs emulate 512 byte sectors, so they should be no different to software. |
| 01:21.17 | tuxhat | out of date |
| 01:21.39 | Tronic | wjtaylor: Or have you actually found a device that exposes 4k sectors externally? |
| 01:21.47 | tuxhat | and im using 64 bit |
| 01:22.04 | tuxhat | judd, v suckless-tools |
| 01:22.05 | judd | Package: suckless-tools on i386 -- squeeze: 35-1; sid: 38-2; wheezy: 38-2; experimental: 39-1 |
| 01:22.21 | tuxhat | judd, v dmenu |
| 01:22.22 | judd | No package named 'dmenu' was found in i386. |
| 01:22.25 | tuxhat | eh ? |
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| 01:22.39 | Tronic | wjtaylor: Also, the default nowadays is to align partitions to 1 MiB boundaries, so they'll automatically be aligned to whatever sector/chunk size your device uses internally. |
| 01:22.45 | tuxhat | i can try experinmental |
| 01:22.55 | hotwings | if i need certain drivers in the initramfs, do they _have to_ be compiled as modules, or can they still be compiled directly into the kernel? |
| 01:23.07 | wjtaylor | Tronic: I just put in a 1tb WD green drive and it behavies just like a 512 drive, except it tells me that my partition does not begin on a physical sector boundary. |
| 01:23.34 | Tronic | wjtaylor: At which LBA (sector) does your partition begin? |
| 01:23.42 | streuner_ | tuxhat: forget that |
| 01:23.50 | wjtaylor | Tronic: The problem is I have a raid of 512 drives and one just failed, so I wanted to replace with 4k (since I will have to migrate anyways). |
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| 01:24.13 | wjtaylor | Tronic: I just filled the drive from 1 to .... |
| 01:24.19 | trist4n | thats a lot of drives |
| 01:24.19 | trist4n | (≖‿≖ ) |
| 01:24.29 | Tronic | wjtaylor: No, I mean which sector does the first partition begin from? |
| 01:24.30 | streuner_ | tuxhat: experimental is only a playground for DDs, and you should know what you are doing |
| 01:24.46 | tuxhat | haha i know what im doing |
| 01:24.48 | tuxhat | :) |
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| 01:24.56 | tuxhat | i been using debian for 12 years kid |
| 01:25.00 | Tronic | wjtaylor: If you actually mean sector number 1, you have serious trouble ahead. |
| 01:25.10 | streuner_ | no, otherwise you didnt have to ask here |
| 01:25.18 | tuxhat | im just wondering why they have dwm 6.0 and a older version of suckless-tools |
| 01:25.32 | wjtaylor | Tronic: Oh crap. why? |
| 01:25.33 | Tronic | wjtaylor: The first partition should begin at sector 2048. |
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| 01:25.37 | tuxhat | that was my question eh |
| 01:25.39 | tuxhat | remember |
| 01:25.42 | tuxhat | read above ;) |
| 01:26.07 | wjtaylor | Tronic: does fdisk understand this 4k stuff? Can I give you an fdisk -l? |
| 01:26.32 | Tronic | wjtaylor: If you have two disks, I recommend creating a new partition on the other one and simply cp -a the files over. |
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| 01:26.56 | tuxhat | and i use arch linux a rolling release linux distro on my other hdd so yeah i know what works good and what doesn't ;) |
| 01:27.11 | Tronic | wjtaylor: Another thing that you can do is create a partition that begins at sector 2048 and that is at least as large as the other one, and dd over the entire partition. |
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| 01:28.19 | wjtaylor | Tronic: can you explain 2048? If old sectors are 512 and new ones are 4096, wouldn't you want to start at 4096? (4x 512) |
| 01:28.21 | mmnicolas | yea, I'd do it at the file-level thinking it would defragment at the same time |
| 01:28.21 | Tronic | wjtaylor: fdisk doesn't see nor understand 4k "advanced format". It only sees 512 sectors. |
| 01:28.25 | streuner_ | tuxhat: my point is, you should only use experimental if you have no other choice, its not important in this how long your dick is.. |
| 01:28.26 | Tronic | *512 byte |
| 01:28.58 | Tronic | wjtaylor: 2048 sectors * 512 bytes/sector = 1 MiB |
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| 01:29.09 | tuxhat | lulz |
| 01:29.11 | tuxhat | ok bye |
| 01:29.15 | streuner_ | tuxhat: questions, WHY some package(s) arent up to date in Debian can only answers those maintainers... |
| 01:29.18 | tuxhat | wow ur such a noobz |
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| 01:29.32 | streuner_ | haha |
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| 01:30.06 | wjtaylor | Tronic: ok, why 1 MiB? |
| 01:30.09 | Tronic | wjtaylor: As I said before, you should align all your partitions to 1 MiB boundaries, and modern versions of fdisk (since a few years back) do that. |
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| 01:31.08 | Tronic | Windows XP and older partitioning tools used different alignment but nowadays the standard is 1 MiB everywhere. |
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| 01:32.11 | tuxhat | oh yeha i got the dmenu 4.5 now |
| 01:32.13 | tuxhat | ;) |
| 01:32.15 | tuxhat | cheers |
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| 01:34.50 | wjtaylor | Tronic: what is /dev/srX ? |
| 01:36.33 | Tronic | wjtaylor: No idea. |
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| 01:36.53 | mmnicolas | an example ? |
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| 01:38.02 | mmnicolas | for sr1, sr2, 3 etc |
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| 01:38.31 | wjtaylor | Tronic: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1614715/ (this is for debian, i just used the ubuntu pastebin) |
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| 01:39.32 | wjtaylor | can I make the sdf1 the same as sda-sdc ?? |
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| 01:41.06 | mmnicolas | let me guess, without losing any data ? |
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| 01:46.23 | stack | hello is that normal to have /tmp not writable to others? |
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| 01:48.14 | mmnicolas | stack: some things in /tmp maybe, but not in /tmp/ |
| 01:49.16 | mmnicolas | permissions for /tmp here are drwxrwxrwt, I like to think the t stands for "ticky bit" whatever that means |
| 01:49.40 | stack | sticky bit means that only owner can delete the file |
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| 01:50.31 | moebius_eye | Hello all |
| 01:50.34 | moebius_eye | I need help |
| 01:50.34 | mmnicolas | not sticky, ticky. It's a "t" |
| 01:50.39 | moebius_eye | desperately. |
| 01:50.45 | moebius_eye | I accidentaly a debian. :( |
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| 01:51.24 | moebius_eye | I mounted /dev/sda5 to /mnt |
| 01:51.33 | moebius_eye | and cd /mnt ; rm -rf * |
| 01:51.58 | moebius_eye | I didn't take into account that there was symlinks to /usr ... |
| 01:52.04 | moebius_eye | So, no /usr |
| 01:53.10 | moebius_eye | Oh, no: It was /bin |
| 01:53.15 | stack | mmnicolas: no it's sticky bit, but s was already for suid I think |
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| 01:54.29 | moebius_eye | Would someone please torrent me the /bin directory? Oo |
| 01:54.35 | moebius_eye | Please? |
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| 01:55.35 | mmnicolas | stack: yea you're right, but I like to paliate with the mismatching starting letter this way, it sounds good |
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| 01:56.10 | mmnicolas | moebius_eye: we don't exactly have the same /bin |
| 01:56.31 | mmnicolas | although there are more chances than with /usr |
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| 01:56.54 | Tramp | ... provided it's at least the same architecture .... |
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| 01:57.27 | mmnicolas | probably using amd64 like everyone else |
| 01:57.29 | moebius_eye | I just want to get the i686 binaries. Is there a way to wget them from some repo? |
| 01:57.38 | mmnicolas | ...okay maybe not |
| 01:58.34 | moebius_eye | zsh: command not found: wget :( |
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| 01:58.54 | moebius_eye | same for curl |
| 01:59.03 | moebius_eye | I'm screwed... |
| 01:59.12 | streuner_ | omg |
| 01:59.27 | mmnicolas | It's the end. |
| 01:59.37 | moebius_eye | Wait, wait wait! I can chroot! |
| 01:59.42 | moebius_eye | wtf? |
| 02:00.15 | moebius_eye | I chrooted into an archlinux now. I can curl wget etc, everything. |
| 02:00.20 | stack | moebius_eye: you don't jave /usr nor /bin ? |
| 02:00.55 | moebius_eye | No, /usr is there. |
| 02:01.00 | mmnicolas | yea, you could do that, boot into a live debian, copy /bin, if it boots, attempt to reinstall all packages just in case |
| 02:01.22 | stack | moebius_eye: then wget is in /usr/bin/wget |
| 02:01.51 | moebius_eye | yeah, it actually is there... Oo |
| 02:01.55 | moebius_eye | I don't get it. |
| 02:02.08 | stack | moebius_eye: download and install http://ftp.ca.debian.org/debian/pool/main/d/debootstrap/debootstrap_1.0.26+squeeze1_all.deb |
| 02:02.24 | stack | deboostrap your distro version and copy the missing files |
| 02:03.11 | moebius_eye | I don't think I can execute dpkg |
| 02:03.42 | moebius_eye | yeah: perl is missing from /usr/bin |
| 02:03.47 | stack | copy a /bin from archlinux |
| 02:04.05 | mmnicolas | stack: haha what ?! :P |
| 02:04.32 | hotwings | if i need certain drivers in the initramfs, do they _have to_ be compiled as modules, or can they still be compiled directly into the kernel? |
| 02:04.34 | stack | moebius_eye: install debootstrap in that chroot |
| 02:04.43 | stack | archlinux seems to have it in aur packages |
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| 02:05.17 | mmnicolas | hotwings: no, if they're in the kernel, they're in the kernel. |
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| 02:06.28 | moebius_eye | Fuck it, I'm installing archlinux. |
| 02:06.49 | stack | you are trolling so much |
| 02:07.14 | abrotman | just let him leave the channel and do what he wants .. no point arguing with him |
| 02:07.22 | moebius_eye | stack: I'm not. My current debian install is more that 4 years old. |
| 02:08.10 | moebius_eye | As much as I like debian, and I do, I need some change. |
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| 02:09.03 | abrotman | moebius_eye: good luck! |
| 02:09.04 | streuner_ | doesnt give a damn about changelings anymore |
| 02:09.22 | abrotman | hotwings: you add them to the control file and generate an new initramfs |
| 02:09.39 | moebius_eye | thanks abrotman. |
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| 02:11.44 | hotwings | abrotman - right, i know what to add into /etc/initramfs-tools/modules, but i dont know if in the kernel they have to be compiled as actual modules or if they can be compiled into the kernel itself |
| 02:12.09 | abrotman | hotwings: no, the idea is that they are modules |
| 02:12.46 | hotwings | ok, thanks abrotman |
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| 02:19.29 | shakaponk | hey guyz, just finished installation of wheezy. but want kde instead of gnome. typing aptitude install kdm kde-plasma-desktop but getting unable to locate package... inet connection works fine |
| 02:19.43 | abrotman | shakaponk: show us your /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 02:20.06 | shakaponk | do i miss something in the sources.list? |
| 02:20.22 | dvs | shakaponk: show us and we'll tell you |
| 02:20.58 | shakaponk | dvs: just got the basic stuff from the installation |
| 02:21.07 | dvs | ... |
| 02:21.09 | abrotman | show us |
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| 02:21.48 | shakaponk | deb http://security.debian.org/ wheezy/updates main contrib |
| 02:22.27 | dvs | and...? |
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| 02:22.59 | abrotman | shakaponk: please use paste.debian.net, show us the complete file |
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| 02:25.26 | shakaponk | abrotman: pastebin.com/9sneGfpg |
| 02:25.36 | shakaponk | abrotman: www.pastebin.com/9sneGfpg |
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| 02:27.14 | dvs | shakaponk: yeah, that's not enough |
| 02:28.30 | dvs | shakaponk: you need at least one more line: http://http.debian.net/debian wheezy main contrib |
| 02:28.43 | dvs | shakaponk: you need at least one more line: deb http://http.debian.net/debian wheezy main contrib |
| 02:28.49 | shakaponk | dvs: thx, i'll try |
| 02:29.15 | abrotman | and then run "aptitude update" |
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| 02:57.57 | shakaponk | i've installed kde, but still the same DI, just the login screen changed, which is kdm responsible for. do i have to change something? |
| 02:58.47 | shakaponk | nevermind, forgot to set the setting in the login screen |
| 02:59.26 | abrotman | strange how that works |
| 02:59.31 | abrotman | you can remove gnome if you don't want to use it |
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| 03:30.41 | pnukeid | is someone know how install "just" mongo driver for php ? |
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| 03:33.23 | mmnicolas | pnukeid: assuming you're talking about libmongodb-perl ? |
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| 03:34.53 | mmnicolas | what do you mean just that |
| 03:35.12 | mmnicolas | if it depends on stuff then stuff needs to be installed |
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| 03:58.07 | ponyofdeath | anyone know if I am to use the mint rom for the hybusa sony xperia as well? |
| 03:58.13 | diphtherial | hello; i'm using debian squeeze (6.0.5) and i'm unsure of how to upgrade to java 7 (either oracle or openjdk versions, doesn't particularly matter which) |
| 03:58.21 | diphtherial | (amd64 architecture as well, if that matters) |
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| 03:58.26 | abrotman | ponyofdeath: you're in the wrong channel |
| 03:58.32 | abrotman | !tell diphtherial about java-package |
| 03:58.41 | ponyofdeath | whoops |
| 03:58.43 | ponyofdeath | sorry |
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| 04:00.49 | diphtherial | abrotman: ah, thanks. am i correct in thinking that it's officially unsupported to use java 7 under squeeze? |
| 04:01.01 | diphtherial | how i wish i could change my box over to using the cutting edge version, since it's just for development :| |
| 04:01.09 | pnukeid | mmnicolas : ,yeah, i just found tutorial how install only mongo driver libraries for php with PECL from GOOGLE ;) |
| 04:01.12 | diphtherial | (er, the cutting edge distro for debian, that is) |
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| 04:11.47 | zykotick9 | diphtherial: i have no idea what is involved. but is backporting openjdk difficult? (i don't know). but wheezy/sid have openjdk-7-* |
| 04:12.54 | Infiltrator | diphtherial: If you're willing to face the challanges that come with it, you could always upgrade to wheezy. |
| 04:13.08 | abrotman | zykotick9: /msg dpkg java-package |
| 04:14.00 | diphtherial | right, i'd previously read about that, but apparently java-package isn't available for squeeze either...? |
| 04:14.26 | diphtherial | i mean, i'd love to upgrade to wheezy, but the last time i attempted it the entire thing blew up in my face midway through |
| 04:14.33 | diphtherial | i'm pretty sure my installation is in an inconsistent state |
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| 04:14.54 | diphtherial | (for the record, this box isn't very important; it's a media server in my living room that also runs a minecraft server) |
| 04:14.55 | abrotman | would rather backport java-package than java itself |
| 04:15.14 | zykotick9 | abrotman: correct me if i'm wrong/incorrect. but what you just sent me is a method to install oracle's java correct? i'm not sure #d should be promoting that over openjava... or am i misguided? |
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| 04:16.13 | abrotman | zykotick9: he asked for oracle java, didn't he ? |
| 04:16.22 | diphtherial | i'm actually ambivalent |
| 04:16.33 | zykotick9 | abrotman: or openjava as i recall (checking now ;) |
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| 04:16.59 | abrotman | still, i'd rather backport java-package and use that to install jvaa then backport java or openjdk |
| 04:17.06 | diphtherial | i suppose openjdk is preferable, since oracle apparently forbade anyone from releasing security updates for their runtime...? |
| 04:17.18 | diphtherial | how about upgrading to wheezy? is that particularly difficult? |
| 04:17.37 | KnownSyntax | Upgrading to wheezy isn't that bad at all |
| 04:17.45 | KnownSyntax | All you really do is edit the source.list and run a few commands. |
| 04:18.45 | abrotman | !tell diphtherial about squeeze->wheezy |
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| 04:19.35 | diphtherial | i've noticed that dpkg's messages tend to be truncated; not sure if you're all aware of that |
| 04:19.58 | zykotick9 | diphtherial: i ran squeeze as my desktop until jan 1st, i'm really liking my transition to wheezy. only for new packages [not newer ;) in my case i wanted identicurse and ranger], but the newer packages doesn't hurt either. |
| 04:20.09 | diphtherial | this looks reasonable, albeit parts like "remove stable-specific lines like squeeze-updates and backports" concern me |
| 04:20.27 | diphtherial | good to know, thanks :) |
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| 04:21.32 | johnfg | zykotick9: Are you using a desktop manager? If so, which one? |
| 04:21.44 | zykotick9 | johnfg: no - awesome/tmux ;) |
| 04:22.01 | johnfg | I'm using tmux right now too! |
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| 04:23.09 | zykotick9 | johnfg: i used screen for years. my old saying was "if i can't run it in screen, what use is it to me?" but within the last little while i have to upgrade that sayin' to a v2 to use tmux in it's place ;) |
| 04:23.37 | johnfg | zykotick9: What's awesome, exactly? |
| 04:23.39 | diphtherial | well, changed all five of my lines from squeeze to wheezy; let's see what explodes |
| 04:23.48 | zykotick9 | johnfg: awesome is an awesome wm ;) |
| 04:23.59 | johnfg | I did find something about it, maybe as a config for tmux? |
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| 04:24.32 | johnfg | zykotick9: So you are running X? |
| 04:24.43 | abrotman | diphtherial: five? |
| 04:25.10 | diphtherial | er, yes; i'd apparently previously included a line for non-free sources (i'm guessing that was for oracle's jdk way back when) |
| 04:25.12 | zykotick9 | johnfg: ya, so i can run lots of urxvt terminals ;) my virtual console go to 11, with 12 for X ;) |
| 04:25.40 | johnfg | K. hopefully our discussion isn't too off center. Thanks for your input! |
| 04:26.52 | johnfg | Because at present, I'm running wheezy in a squeeze vm, if I want to get rid of gnome3, and install awesome, what's the best way to totally remove gnome3? |
| 04:27.25 | johnfg | zykotick9: btw...i'm running tmux on urxvt too! |
| 04:27.40 | zykotick9 | johnfg: ;) before you dive into awesome - be aware, it's configured in lua - and i wouldn't with it on my worst enemy ;) |
| 04:27.52 | zykotick9 | s/with/wish/ |
| 04:28.36 | johnfg | I know exactly zippo about lua. |
| 04:28.43 | zykotick9 | johnfg: if you're looking for a minimal environment (non tiling) are you familiar with openbox/fluxbox? |
| 04:29.37 | johnfg | Remember, this is in a vm, so I'm really testing before production. No, not familiar with openbox/fluxbox. My experience is with pre gnome3 and xfce4. |
| 04:29.44 | zykotick9 | johnfg: neither did/do I. if i knew lua i'd be much further ahead in configuring awesome. as an example of awesome's downside, if ANYTHING is wrong in config - nothing works, it loads the default. |
| 04:29.49 | johnfg | I've done a little with kde, but nothing lately. |
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| 04:30.07 | zykotick9 | kde is "sparkle vomit" imo |
| 04:30.22 | johnfg | zykotick9: Ha! Nice. |
| 04:31.24 | johnfg | how would you compate openbox/fluxbox to xfce4? |
| 04:31.50 | zykotick9 | johnfg: xfce is a de. ob/fb are wms - world of difference. |
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| 04:33.33 | johnfg | zykotick9: So, although you're using awesome, you'd maybe recommend ob/fb for me? |
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| 04:34.55 | zykotick9 | johnfg: actually, if you want a "minimal" environment - but still a DE, i'd recommend xfce/lxde. if you want something uber-minimal then ya start with op/fb. if your looking for a tiling wm then awesome/xmonad(?or similar name) |
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| 04:35.42 | johnfg | zykotick9: k. mebbe I'll try awesome in the vm and see how it goes. Thanks again! |
| 04:37.22 | mmnicolas | i3!! |
| 04:37.32 | zykotick9 | mmnicolas: or that ;) |
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| 05:04.08 | johnfg | Is there an easy/simple way from the cli to remove all of gnome (in wheezy)? |
| 05:06.15 | mmnicolas | johnfg: I'd just sweep quick search results for "gnome" in the aptitude curses gui, once you get a big enough chunk of it, the rest with me marked as no longer required and uninstalled at the next round |
| 05:06.31 | mmnicolas | *sweep the |
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| 05:08.33 | johnfg | mmnicolas: Thanks for the suggestion. |
| 05:08.45 | abrotman | johnfg: aptitude purge gnome ? |
| 05:08.46 | dravonn | does debian wheezy support HD webcam? I m thinking of getting a Logitech C270. |
| 05:09.02 | johnfg | I remember back in my yum days, there was a command to remove a group. |
| 05:09.05 | zykotick9 | johnfg: i know mmnicolas' reply is more "correct" then mine, but... i'm a weirdo, that loves all things ncurses - except aptitude. i use aptitude, but not in curses form. my suggestion would be to try purging the meta packages and as many big packages as possible. |
| 05:09.28 | johnfg | abrotman: I can try that. |
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| 05:10.53 | arch | im a qt 2d girl |
| 05:10.58 | arch | are there any qt 2d girls out there |
| 05:11.21 | johnfg | I just installed awesome. I thought I'd just be able to logout, then see that awesome is available instead of gnome3 default. Suppose I have to reboot? |
| 05:11.23 | mmnicolas | wow, it just never occured to me "purge" virtual packages, I thought.. they have no config files.. :P and I've been using debian for years.. |
| 05:11.38 | arch | im a pretty 2d girl |
| 05:11.50 | abrotman | arch: do you need help with Debian? |
| 05:11.51 | zykotick9 | johnfg: reboot shouldn't be required. restart your DM. |
| 05:11.55 | arch | abrotman, no |
| 05:12.09 | abrotman | arch: then you probably want #defocus, good luck |
| 05:12.13 | arch | oh thnx u |
| 05:12.28 | arch | theres also debian-offtopic |
| 05:12.31 | dravonn | abrotman, any answer for my question? |
| 05:12.37 | abrotman | dravonn: didn't see it |
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| 05:12.47 | dravonn | under dravonn |
| 05:12.50 | mmnicolas | arch: that's still debian-related, just not support-related |
| 05:13.05 | abrotman | mmnicolas: not really ... but not welcome either |
| 05:13.12 | arch | im banned from defocus |
| 05:13.17 | arch | do you know any other channels |
| 05:13.19 | arch | i can join |
| 05:13.25 | abrotman | not our problem |
| 05:13.43 | dravonn | abrotman, does debian wheezy support HD webcam? I m thinking of getting a Logitech C270. |
| 05:13.53 | abrotman | dravonn: mine works .. no idea about that model |
| 05:14.06 | dravonn | what's your model? |
| 05:14.13 | abrotman | the one in the laptop lid :) |
| 05:14.25 | dravonn | its HD? |
| 05:14.35 | dravonn | 720p? |
| 05:15.08 | abrotman | dravonn: Bus 001 Device 003: ID 17ef:4807 Lenovo UVC Camera |
| 05:15.31 | diphtherial | huh, my shutdown command seems to be missing after upgrading from squeeze to wheezy |
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| 05:15.48 | diphtherial | i'm hoping it'll come back after i reboot, but that's somewhat tricky (it'll involve me walking over to my computer from my desk, for instance) |
| 05:15.49 | dravonn | can't tell if that's HD. |
| 05:15.56 | abrotman | neither can i |
| 05:16.47 | diphtherial | ah, never mind; it was in sbin after all, tricky little guy |
| 05:16.47 | johnfg | Huh, in wheezy in the vm, which is virtualbox on squeeze, there's no choices, after a reboot, for any sessions, i.e., gnome, awesome, etc. |
| 05:16.51 | mmnicolas | how come, do you see hd or not :P |
| 05:17.06 | diphtherial | crosses his fingers, hoping that the upgrade went as planned |
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| 05:17.56 | johnfg | I didn't remove gnome yet, but is there something I'm missing? |
| 05:19.02 | johnfg | Oy! Nevermind...I had to click the user first, then the session showed up. mea culpa |
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| 05:22.17 | diphtherial | hmm, alright, so it seems that my server is now inaccessible; would going from squeeze to wheezy potentially stop it from announcing to the dhcp server or something |
| 05:22.18 | diphtherial | *? |
| 05:22.54 | diphtherial | ah, never mind again! i suppose it was just taking its sweet time bringing up sshd |
| 05:23.02 | johnfg | Don't know if it's something with the mouse in the vm of wheezy, but it won't move the terminal windows. |
| 05:23.33 | johnfg | The as is config of the terminal in awesome had an invisible cursor and fonts. |
| 05:23.45 | diphtherial | nice! seems like the whole thing went according to plan, including a major kernel version change |
| 05:23.58 | diphtherial | now to attempt installing openjdk 7 once again... |
| 05:26.59 | diphtherial | perhaps we're not quite out of the woods yet; i received the following at the end of attempting to install openjdk-7-jre |
| 05:27.34 | diphtherial | http://pastebin.com/uzvM075g |
| 05:27.50 | diphtherial | (er, i just included the whole thing rather than the list bit...i think the part of interest is very near the end) |
| 05:27.54 | diphtherial | *last bit, even |
| 05:28.22 | abrotman | your path has been reset somehow |
| 05:28.30 | abrotman | source /etc/profile ... try again |
| 05:28.56 | Cyclohexane | how do i fix: GPG error: http://archive.debian.org lenny/volatile Release: The following signatures were invalid: KEYEXPIRED 1358963195 |
| 05:29.18 | EasyAsPie | hi all |
| 05:29.30 | diphtherial | should i do that as myself or as root? it seemed to be complaining about root's path |
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| 05:30.09 | johnfg | Cyclohexane: lenny EOL 2012-02-06, tomorrow will be one year! |
| 05:30.28 | Cyclohexane | johnfg: what do you mean? |
| 05:30.30 | diphtherial | abrotman: despite running source /etc/profile as both myself and as root, the error continues |
| 05:31.24 | diphtherial | also, strangely, /sbin/ is not listed in /etc/profiles where it sets the user's PATH |
| 05:31.35 | diphtherial | (but that's where ldconfig is apparently located according to whereis) |
| 05:31.46 | abrotman | diphtherial: so add it to your path |
| 05:32.57 | diphtherial | done, that seemed to help; so, to clarify, sudo actually uses your own environment rather than root's environment? |
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| 05:34.46 | diphtherial | i wonder why /sbin and /usr/bin wouldn't be on the path after going from squeeze to wheezy |
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| 05:35.02 | diphtherial | i'm debating editing /etc/profile to include them, as i'm sure i'll forget at some point to add them to my own path after each login |
| 05:35.04 | johnfg | so do you that are using awesome change something in the config about how the terminals come up? Or is it a problem with the vm? |
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| 06:04.13 | zykotick9 | johnfg: that sounds like awesome alright ;) - fyi, some of layouts aren't tiled. my desktop a moment ago http://imagebin.org/245637 |
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| 06:04.36 | diphtherial | hello again; there's a package on an ubuntu source that i'd like to install under debian...is that not normally possible? |
| 06:04.52 | diphtherial | it requires a custom apt repository, namely ppa:opencpu/ohmage-2.13 |
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| 06:05.56 | zykotick9 | !tell diphtherial about why not a ppa |
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| 06:07.33 | diphtherial | huh, is there anything dkpg doesn't know? |
| 06:07.52 | diphtherial | that's a rhetorical question. i guess i'll be building all of this stuff and trying to figure out how to stick it together myself. |
| 06:08.16 | dondelelcaro | diphtherial: you can start with the source package from the ppa and build it on your own system |
| 06:08.32 | dondelelcaro | diphtherial: that's usually the right way to go about it |
| 06:08.33 | zykotick9 | diphtherial: mixing ubuntu and debian leads to frankendebian (which is also a dpkg factoid ;) |
| 06:08.47 | diphtherial | there isn't a source package :\ this is my lab's project; i normally deal with the phone client, but i've since been tasked to deal with the server as well |
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| 06:09.01 | dondelelcaro | diphtherial: there should be... it's a ppa... |
| 06:09.46 | diphtherial | ah, foot in mouth :) i know next to nothing about linux package management and assumed that they hadn't taken the extra step (i guess there isn't one) |
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| 06:10.04 | dondelelcaro | diphtherial: http://ppa.launchpad.net/opencpu/ohmage-2.13/ubuntu/pool/main/o/opencpu/opencpu_0.7.0-precise16.dsc <-- there's one of the source packages. |
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| 06:13.03 | diphtherial | ah, thanks; now to figure out what to do with it |
| 06:15.30 | diphtherial | hmm, that seems to be for another project maintained by the same guy... |
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| 06:26.01 | diphtherial | ok, i've apparently obtained the correct .dsc and source tar.gz; i'm at a bit of a loss for how to actually run them, as it seems this guy's favorite language is R |
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| 06:27.47 | dondelelcaro | diphtherial: if you've got the dsc, the diff.gz,and the orig.tar.gz, you're ready to build it |
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| 06:29.53 | dondelelcaro | diphtherial: you can just go dpkg-source -x foo.dsc; cd foo-*; debuild; |
| 06:30.00 | dondelelcaro | diphtherial: man debuild for precise details. |
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| 06:30.57 | dondelelcaro | diphtherial: alternatively, if you want to be devious, you could add the ppa as a deb-src line to your sources.list, and use apt-get source --compile foopkg; |
| 06:31.02 | dondelelcaro | diphtherial: that actually might be easier. |
| 06:32.18 | dondelelcaro | but opencpu actually kind of looks interesting |
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| 06:35.17 | dondelelcaro | diphtherial: btw, if you guys are using R on debian, you might want to check out http://debian-r.debian.net/ if you didn't know about it already |
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| 06:35.50 | diphtherial | i think the rest of the team mostly uses ubuntu and centos; i just use debian on my home server |
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| 06:35.55 | dondelelcaro | ah, ok |
| 06:35.59 | diphtherial | thanks for the heads up, though, and for all the advice :) |
| 06:36.04 | dondelelcaro | no problem |
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| 06:36.33 | diphtherial | i should probably look into what jeroen's been up to with his opencpu stuff (he's a stats major, so we don't get a lot of face time being in different departments) |
| 06:36.40 | diphtherial | (jeroen is the guy who maintains this repo) |
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| 06:37.05 | diphtherial | and now you know far more about my lab setup than you probably wanted to, heh |
| 06:37.45 | dondelelcaro | it's ok; my lab is a bit crazy too. |
| 06:38.12 | diphtherial | oh? lots of cross-disciplinary action as well? |
| 06:38.23 | dondelelcaro | yeah |
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| 06:38.37 | dondelelcaro | but it's usually me crossing disciplines |
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| 06:38.57 | dondelelcaro | (anyway, not really on topic for #debian... ;-)) |
| 06:39.09 | diphtherial | indeed, heh. neat anyhow :) |
| 06:39.40 | diphtherial | thanks again for the help; i have to attend to things not related to this, so i'd better go |
| 06:41.49 | Pei | HEHE check it out guys, i got mpd+icecast2 with mpc and ncmpc all working, playing files in a directory right off the server: http://icecast.virtual-dope.com:8000/stream1.ogg |
| 06:41.50 | Pei | woot |
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| 07:11.43 | nvz | before I installed the nvidia driver packages my console was higher resolution |
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| 07:13.58 | Pei | yeah i dunno about nvidia but ati drivers disable the radeonfb driver in /etc/modules.d it blacklists it, so mine doesn;t get native res anymore |
| 07:14.51 | Pei | btw i'm like the only one here right now |
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| 07:15.27 | nvz | I'm just doing a dist-upgrade on this machine |
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| 07:32.35 | zykotick9 | nvz: it's possible to get high resolution virtual consoles with nvidia proprietary driver using v86d and uvesafb. |
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| 07:46.31 | hid3 | Hello everyone. My system is really old. Originally it was installed as `potato', then upgraded to woody, etc, etc, finally it has got squeeze since last year or so. Now all my 'fresh' systems have NIC rules in /etc/udev/ dir, but this system doesn't. Interface names might change each time you upgrade the kernel. Is there any way to generate/make the rules file for the NICs? |
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| 07:58.03 | Slydder | hey all. so what's the deal. is debian going to start offering mariadb also? |
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| 08:27.47 | bony | i have a problem running firefox 18. When i run firefox i get the error "libxul.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory" i tried in several forums but didn't get a solution |
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| 08:28.25 | ectospasm | bony: do you have xulrunner installed? |
| 08:28.35 | ectospasm | That's just a guess, I don't use Firefox anymore. |
| 08:28.42 | bony | eccentric, yes |
| 08:28.52 | bony | ectospasm, so what do you use? |
| 08:29.07 | shakaponk | hola guyz, got a fresh wheezy install with kde, but can't find a network widget. something that makes me connect to my wifi. where can i find something |
| 08:29.21 | ectospasm | Chromium. And on Debian, most use Iceweasel instead of Firefox... |
| 08:29.26 | ectospasm | bony: ^ |
| 08:30.04 | bony | i too use iceweasel but its too old |
| 08:30.08 | bony | i have debian sid |
| 08:30.13 | ectospasm | shakaponk: network manager works for me, or wicd (though I don't use KDE). |
| 08:30.16 | bony | and the version of iceweasel is 10 |
| 08:30.34 | shakaponk | ectospasm: from gnome, it works for me too |
| 08:30.47 | bony | and i use chromium and chrome. But i really want to use firefox |
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| 08:36.31 | bony | perfect i got the solution |
| 08:37.05 | JyZyXEL | how do you allow multiple groups permissions to a file? |
| 08:37.05 | ectospasm | bony: is the version of xulrunner you have installed late enough for firefox? |
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| 08:37.08 | bony | ectospasm, all this time i was trying to run 32 bit version of firefox. i just now downloaded 64 bit and it works |
| 08:37.32 | ectospasm | bony: that'll getcha every time (-; |
| 08:37.57 | ectospasm | JyZyXEL: you can't, with UNIX style permissions. Try ACLs... |
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| 08:38.40 | ectospasm | JyZyXEL: or, put everyone into the owning group |
| 08:38.57 | ectospasm | nice thing about UNIX is users can be members of multiple groups. |
| 08:39.15 | ectospasm | maybe simpler to make a new group and add everyone to it. |
| 08:40.36 | bony | my os is 64 bit |
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| 08:41.44 | JyZyXEL | so if you want group1 to have RW and group2 to have R, you would have to use ACL? |
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| 08:50.27 | Trewas | JyZyXEL: yeah, a file/directory can have only one group as owner... but if everyone could have read access then the RW group could be owner |
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| 08:51.27 | hellyeah | hey |
| 08:51.46 | AlexLikeRock | hey |
| 08:51.48 | hellyeah | man fsck.btrfs show no man page why |
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| 08:52.08 | hellyeah | there is no man page still? |
| 08:52.23 | hellyeah | or may be fsck.btrfs doesnt work properly |
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| 08:53.45 | nvz | well with a minor bump I managed to upgrade squeeze to wheezy on this thinkpad and installed mate. What I'm wondering is how can I swiftly remove all the gnome stuff? |
| 08:53.59 | nvz | I now have two of most things in the menu, the gnome versions and the mate versions |
| 08:54.10 | hellyeah | all the gnome sutff? |
| 08:54.18 | nvz | yeah that would be the idea |
| 08:54.26 | nvz | like some base package it all depends on or something |
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| 08:54.55 | hellyeah | i am not sure there is a command that shows all the package related to gnome but you can remove with synaptic |
| 08:55.08 | nvz | yeah that would be my best guess as well |
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| 08:55.35 | hellyeah | but some gnome package can dependent to some important library package that can break your system |
| 08:55.41 | hellyeah | be careful about that |
| 08:56.34 | hellyeah | btw what is mete |
| 08:56.36 | nvz | its not a big deal.. I just installed this yesterday.. I'd like to not have to reinstall but if I can't clean out what I dont need safely its not a huge issue |
| 08:56.58 | hellyeah | you dont want to use gnome? |
| 08:57.11 | nvz | heh.. nope |
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| 08:57.35 | daedeloth | greetings |
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| 08:57.58 | nvz | I wouldnt mind keeping it around just to show people the modern interface if it werent for having duplicate menu entries |
| 08:58.16 | nvz | but having calculator, search for files..etc.. all twice is a bit annoying |
| 08:58.27 | daedeloth | I currently have 3x 512gb hard drives in a raid5 and I am running close to the limit, so I'm thinking about upgrading the whole thing |
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| 08:58.43 | hellyeah | nvz: i didnt realize that |
| 08:58.54 | daedeloth | however, I was wondering, what is the best (and cheapest) way to create a nice NAS running on debian? :) |
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| 08:59.06 | nvz | hellyeah: well yeah, if you install mate and gnome they both share a lot of the same applications |
| 08:59.09 | daedeloth | (nas with other services running on it, like webserver, teamspeak, ...) |
| 08:59.19 | hellyeah | hmm okey i got it know |
| 08:59.25 | hellyeah | i dont know about mate |
| 08:59.30 | hellyeah | what is mate |
| 08:59.46 | nvz | hellyeah: mate is a spinoff of gnome 2.x to keep the old style desktop alive |
| 08:59.54 | hellyeah | hmm |
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| 09:00.07 | hellyeah | sometimes i prefer gnome2 instead of gnome3 |
| 09:00.30 | nvz | hellyeah: and one thing that was annoying me on this machine yesterday was nautilus not thumbnailing files properly cause totem wasnt playing em.. mate loses nautilus, totem, and gstreamer.. |
| 09:00.37 | hellyeah | visual things are good at gnome3 i think but i think system works slow because of gnome4 |
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| 09:00.57 | hellyeah | sounds good |
| 09:00.58 | nvz | it uses caja which is basically nautilus 2.30 fork and uses ffmpegthumbnailer for its video thumbnailing |
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| 09:01.21 | hellyeah | personally i dont like totem |
| 09:01.25 | nvz | its the old gnome, with new polish and all the annoying crap removed.. heh |
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| 09:02.24 | blubberdiblub | daedeloth, there is no universal "best" way. just do what works for you |
| 09:02.26 | hellyeah | new things on gnome "activities" looks like ubuntu-unity. Honestly it looks better but still annoyin me. I love to use gnome panel for small programs like force quit, system monitor etc. |
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| 09:02.38 | nvz | by running wheezy and adding the mate repo you're basically running Linux Mint Debian .. heh |
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| 09:03.42 | nvz | I can't stand gnome 3 its rubbish. Nothing works anymore.. you can't just right click a panel and add/edit stuff and such |
| 09:03.58 | nvz | its pretty difficult to even manage doing two things at once the way it handles windows |
| 09:04.06 | jelly-home | nvz: the wheezy+mate setup might still be supported here, while using a lmde installer wouldn't |
| 09:04.13 | hellyeah | yeah thats the one of biggest complain at my sight |
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| 09:04.34 | nvz | jelly-home: well yeah.. thats what I was aiming for.. to try keep using debian but find something I'm comfortable with moving forward |
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| 09:04.45 | hellyeah | i really liked using gnome2-compiz-cairo |
| 09:04.48 | nvz | jelly-home: I figure mate could wind up in debian eventually |
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| 09:05.14 | hellyeah | mate has special repository |
| 09:05.17 | hellyeah | i coult try mate |
| 09:05.28 | hellyeah | i dont like gnome what is is right now |
| 09:05.37 | hellyeah | but i really like the gnome what it was |
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| 09:05.55 | nvz | it was a fairly simple process, add the repo line, update, install keyring package, update again, then install either the core or full mate desktop metapackage |
| 09:06.06 | nvz | its for wheezy/sid though not squeeze |
| 09:06.19 | nvz | cause of course squeeze still has gnome 2 |
| 09:07.02 | nvz | hellyeah: http://wiki.mate-desktop.org/download |
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| 09:07.32 | hellyeah | tx i have to check it out |
| 09:07.46 | nvz | I'm gonna run it with sawfish 1.8.1 .. but I probably gotta build it again cause my build is for squeeze |
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| 09:19.45 | hellyeah | is there a command to check the harddisk type ssd or sata |
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| 09:21.22 | homes | hmm, http://stackoverflow.com/questions/908188/is-there-any-way-of-detecting-if-a-drive-is-a-ssd, tried that smartctl cmd? |
| 09:21.28 | hellyeah | nvz: W: Failed to fetch http://mirror1.mate-desktop.org/repo/debian/dists/wheezy/main/binary-amd64/Packages: 404 Not Found [IP: 188.40.92.4 80] W: Failed to fetch http://mirror1.mate-desktop.org/repo/debian/dists/wheezy/main/binary-i386/Packages: 404 Not Found [IP: 188.40.92.4 80] |
| 09:21.44 | homes | Check /sys/block/sdX/queue/rotational, where sdX is the drive name. If it's 0, you're dealing with an SSD, and 1 means plain old HDD. |
| 09:22.01 | homes | ^from the above link, didn't know that :) |
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| 09:33.14 | wsky | Debian! |
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| 09:41.50 | Slydder | why does my version of dpkg-source in squeeze not support the --commit command? |
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| 09:42.19 | Belliash | hi |
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| 09:42.57 | Belliash | do you know if there is a proper channel for debwrt? i tried #debwrt but its empty... am i missing sth or nobody interested ? |
| 09:43.16 | ChrisH | Belliash: what is debwrt? Someting like openwrt? |
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| 09:44.23 | Belliash | ChrisH: yes... looks like project is trying to launch debian on embedded devices and connects debian and openwrt |
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| 09:46.20 | ChrisH | Belliash: sounds interesting. I run openwrt on two devices |
| 09:46.37 | Belliash | ChanServ: debwrt.net |
| 09:47.26 | Belliash | the problem is that i tried to download it, but cannot access SVN, tried to register on their forum, but also get error, so no contact possible. I thought i could find someone on irc |
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| 09:50.26 | ChrisH | Belliash: even the webpage seems to be slow |
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| 09:55.45 | Belliash | hmm, ChrisH web site loads quite fast for me |
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| 09:57.30 | ChrisH | the inital one was slow, the next OK |
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| 10:01.33 | Belliash | but svn gives me this: svn: E020014: Can't find a temporary directory: Internal error |
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| 10:16.52 | babilen | dpkg: tell spow -about mentors |
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| 10:18.24 | sq9 | hi, I am trying to setup apache httpd on Debian 6, is there any documentation that i may refer to so that i follow all the best practises(security related etc)??? |
| 10:19.16 | babilen | sq9: As always: Read /usr/share/doc/apache*/* (in particular the README.Debian) |
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| 10:19.48 | sq9 | i came across this link : http://goo.gl/sUiIw is it still up to date, babilen: thanks, i will |
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| 10:33.19 | oskude | hi, is it normal that fuse group has no rights to use /dev/fuse? crw------- 1 root fuse 10, 229 Feb 6 11:21 /dev/fuse |
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| 10:39.27 | ChrisH | oskude: I can only show your mine: crw-rw---- 1 root fuse 10, 229 5. Nov 08:00 /dev/fuse |
| 10:41.28 | joltcan | mine too |
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| 10:52.44 | oskude | hmm, now i wonder if this is a client or server issue that all the files through curlftpfs belong to root :/ (curlftpfs not run as root nor logged in as root) |
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| 10:59.49 | deeLer | anyone familiar with mediatomb, have a problem acessing it over WAN, when clicking a link in the webinterface it directs to a link with my internal IP address instead the dyndns name |
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| 11:02.51 | txomon | hi, I have found that in debian exists a packet named ubuntu-dev-tools ... is it posible to use it for debian? or is just the name of the package? |
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| 11:06.51 | babilen | txomon: You can use it on Debian and it does, in fact, contain a couple of tools that should have been packaged in devscripts. |
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| 11:14.17 | edakiri | Can disk quota be used to limit a application, rather than user or group? I have some poorly behaved applications which have need of it. |
| 11:15.17 | txomon | babilen, I find schroot pretty usefull |
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| 11:15.59 | ksk | edakiri: use a dedicated user for that application maybe? you should do so always if possible anyway |
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| 11:16.14 | ksk | (if its a server/daemon, not a user tool for a desktop system) |
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| 11:16.38 | edakiri | I hope to find a more convenient solution than a separate user for iceweasel. |
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| 11:17.55 | txomon | edakiri, use another explorer, it is easier ;D |
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| 11:20.29 | sim590 | hey, I'm trying to scan for available AP around with "iwlist wlan0 scan" and all I get is "No scan results".. Does it have to do with the fact that the daemons "networking" and "network-manager" are on? |
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| 11:20.58 | sim590 | They could be using the device and make the scan fail. |
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| 11:21.08 | e1z0 | :O |
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| 11:23.02 | sim590 | anyone knows? :( |
| 11:23.29 | wsky | sim590: maybe your interface is down/rfkilled |
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| 11:24.02 | sim590 | wsky: I think not.. I'm presently using it to talk to you ;) |
| 11:24.12 | wsky | ic |
| 11:24.14 | wsky | hmm |
| 11:25.24 | wsky | sim590: what kind of wlan driver are you using? |
| 11:25.40 | sim590 | wsky: wext |
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| 11:26.31 | sim590 | wsky: I guess. |
| 11:27.47 | txomon | sim590, networking is a have to |
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| 11:28.05 | wsky | sim590: and what is you wireless chip? |
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| 11:28.50 | wsky | sim590: lspci should tell you that |
| 11:29.05 | sim590 | wsky: readlink /sys/class/net/wlan0/device/driver |
| 11:29.05 | sim590 | ../../../../../../../bus/sdio/drivers/bcmsdh_sdmmc |
| 11:29.06 | wsky | sim590: unless it's an usb adapter, then lsusb |
| 11:29.46 | wsky | broadcom :( |
| 11:30.26 | sim590 | wsky: none of them works.. I'm using debian armhf on the ASUS transformer tf101 tablet. |
| 11:30.41 | sim590 | it seems to lack in some tools |
| 11:31.06 | wsky | eh i wont help you then, i have no experience with arm platforms |
| 11:31.14 | sim590 | lspci |
| 11:31.14 | sim590 | pcilib: Cannot open /proc/bus/pci |
| 11:31.14 | sim590 | lspci: Cannot find any working access method. |
| 11:31.40 | sim590 | wsky: ok, thanks anyway |
| 11:31.42 | wsky | but my conclusion of working with broadcom chips is "broadcom sucks" |
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| 11:32.12 | sim590 | lol and why is that? |
| 11:32.41 | wsky | i remember linux drivers to be really low quality and/or propetiary |
| 11:33.08 | wsky | i personally target atheros or intel when i buy a wireless device |
| 11:33.17 | wsky | wireless lan device* |
| 11:33.57 | themill | wonders if http://wiki.debian.org/brcm80211 is relevant to this device |
| 11:34.57 | sim590 | if it can help you guess about my issue: I think that when wpa_supplicant was not working, I could scan with iwlist |
| 11:35.55 | wsky | bad driver that i'd say |
| 11:36.03 | wsky | the usual |
| 11:36.17 | wsky | s/that/then/ |
| 11:36.30 | sim590 | :( |
| 11:37.07 | txomon | does anyone know why make deb-pkg gives an enormous image .deb? Its over 400MB |
| 11:37.10 | sim590 | weird that gnome network-manager shows me everything perfectly |
| 11:38.32 | sim590 | txomon: what's the exact command you using? |
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| 11:39.05 | txomon | sim590, make -j9 deb-pkg |
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| 11:40.08 | txomon | I am compiling kernel |
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| 11:42.49 | wsky | txomon: maybe the CFLAGS are bad |
| 11:44.19 | wsky | txomon: and you've compiled all modules or most of thwem with bad cflags |
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| 11:48.23 | sharky | txomon, recently i compiled 3.7.2 and all was good, used the old ".config" and then "make-kpkg clean" |
| 11:48.57 | sharky | then you get both *.deb packages with "fakeroot make-kpkg --initrd --append-to-version=-custom kernel_image kernel_headers " |
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| 11:50.01 | sharky | and these are the sizes |
| 11:50.02 | sharky | 8.0M Jan 14 00:32 linux-headers-3.7.2-custom_3.7.2-custom-10.00.Custom_amd64.deb |
| 11:50.21 | sharky | 30M Jan 14 00:31 linux-image-3.7.2-custom_3.7.2-custom-10.00.Custom_amd64.deb |
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| 11:55.21 | txomon | sharky, make-kpkg is deprecated |
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| 11:55.36 | txomon | wsky, I changed nothing... |
| 11:57.20 | sharky | txomon, ok, didn't know that |
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| 11:57.59 | txomon | sharky, I was told here about it 2 months ago ;) it is in the alitoh guide |
| 11:58.13 | txomon | http://kernel-handbook.alioth.debian.org/ch-common-tasks.html |
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| 11:59.11 | rozie | txomon: can you elaborate? |
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| 12:00.25 | sharky | txomon, so this is then old? http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch08s06.html.en |
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| 12:05.18 | sharky | txomon, can you give a link where it is explained about the change, I see that there "$ make deb-pkg" is used |
| 12:06.13 | sharky | because as I said "make-kpkg clean" worked for me well |
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| 12:14.08 | malanik_jan_gmai | hi, I have got problem with creating my debian repo. I'm using ftpsync. but It ends promptly. My configuration is here: www.paste.debian.net/232186 can someone help me please? |
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| 12:15.28 | malanik_jan_gmai | corrected link: www.paste.debian.net/232188 |
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| 12:32.48 | txomon | sharky, it works because it is deprecated (like ifconfig) not obsolete |
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| 12:34.06 | txomon | sharky, that link should be updated, but take into account that deb-pkg has been added "recently" no idea which versions in squeeze |
| 12:35.30 | Ristovski | Ohai |
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| 12:50.23 | sharky | txomon, can you please shortly share your experience with the deb-pkg after you are done, so that we would know what to expect if we need to go the same road |
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| 13:14.45 | matip | Hello |
| 13:14.52 | wsky | elo |
| 13:15.10 | matip | is it possible to map the second monitor into the second virtual desktop? |
| 13:15.18 | hid3 | thanks! |
| 13:15.24 | matip | right now it's the second half of the same virtual desktop |
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| 13:19.49 | matip | any idea guys? |
| 13:19.55 | mwargh | well, yes it is |
| 13:20.00 | mwargh | but i don't know how |
| 13:20.04 | matip | u.u |
| 13:20.19 | mwargh | why do you even want that? |
| 13:20.25 | mwargh | what it will ahieve? |
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| 13:20.50 | matip | because I don't like having both monitors in the same virtual desktop |
| 13:20.51 | themill | matip: different window managers implement that automatically. I've heard that awesome does, for example |
| 13:21.14 | matip | themill, you mean it's not configurable? |
| 13:21.27 | themill | matip: depends entirely on the window manager. |
| 13:21.33 | matip | hmn, I didn't know |
| 13:21.35 | matip | I'm using KDE |
| 13:22.45 | mwargh | virtual desktop on ( second | another | each ) monitor |
| 13:22.47 | mwargh | google this |
| 13:22.50 | mwargh | it yield a lot |
| 13:23.00 | matip | yep, I'm doing so |
| 13:23.07 | mwargh | heh |
| 13:23.09 | mwargh | hehe |
| 13:25.07 | themill | https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=107302 |
| 13:25.33 | jelly | heh, xinerama |
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| 13:27.22 | jelly | xfce 4.8 doesn't do it either |
| 13:27.25 | mwargh | it's telling that after i setup kde after a long time with other so called desktop environments i didn't touch system settings at all |
| 13:27.48 | mwargh | no i did it to look up monitor options |
| 13:27.51 | mwargh | now |
| 13:28.49 | mwargh | kde4 is usable at last, and not only usable but very nice. it mostly just works |
| 13:29.06 | mwargh | mostly |
| 13:29.54 | matip | I can't believe it's still not supported :P |
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| 13:31.12 | themill | matip: different user groups are going to have different reactions to such a feature -- some find it obvious and "must have" while others think it's silly and confusing. |
| 13:31.38 | matip | then kde should make it optional, I agree |
| 13:31.48 | matip | but it's a reasonable feature |
| 13:32.21 | themill | it's presumably a lot of work to change an existing wm to do this. The bug list will always be longer than the available time. |
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| 13:33.02 | matip | it's time to try another wm.. |
| 13:33.04 | mwargh | if you just want to show something on the second display, maybe just launch another xserver? |
| 13:33.08 | mwargh | heh |
| 13:33.12 | matip | gnome maybe? |
| 13:33.23 | mwargh | i dunno, they say it sucks |
| 13:33.32 | mwargh | see for yourself |
| 13:33.51 | matip | the latest gnome looks better than KDE |
| 13:33.57 | matip | I didn't try it though |
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| 13:34.08 | hellangel | hello there |
| 13:34.28 | mwargh | lol |
| 13:34.38 | mwargh | it never was about 'looks' |
| 13:34.45 | mwargh | well, if you meant looks as in looks |
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| 13:35.24 | mcb_2 | Hi all, i have the following problem I have tried the #squid channel, but no one anwsered: Squid works fines using internet LINK1, but machines that are in the "tcp_outgoing_address" acl that uses internet LINK2, can not access some sites. I made a static route using LINK2 to a site that the problem occur and i can connect to it in port 80 by telnet, so i am certain that LINK2 has no problem connecting to the site, per si. It is only squid that is having pro |
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| 13:37.18 | themill | matip: I've been told that gnome doesn't do this either. |
| 13:37.33 | matip | :| |
| 13:38.06 | matip | OSX? lol |
| 13:38.30 | themill | As I said earlier, awesome does this. |
| 13:38.46 | matip | I don't know awesome, let me see |
| 13:38.54 | Trewas | that worked in gnome in the olden times, at least when X was configured so that the screens were separate (not possible to move windows between them) |
| 13:39.29 | matip | themill, have you tried awesome? is it good? |
| 13:39.37 | mwargh | i want this setup |
| 13:39.38 | mwargh | http://awesome.naquadah.org/images/6mon.medium.png |
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| 13:40.56 | wwraith | nah |
| 13:40.58 | fnmueller | mwargh: I have a similar setup like that with 3 screens. But I do use awesome ... ^^. Though I am pretty sure you can achieve a setup like this if you create an xorg.conf |
| 13:40.59 | wwraith | not enough monitors |
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| 13:41.47 | matip | fnmueller, what's your opinion about awesome? I'm just about to try it u.u |
| 13:42.51 | fnmueller | once you understand it and set it up (which will probably take some time) it's great. For me, I also like to be able to drag windows around, so I also use the mouse, just not that often, so I setup lxde to use awesome. |
| 13:43.06 | themill | xorg.conf is not needed for this. This is entirely a window manager thing and has nothing to do with X config |
| 13:43.08 | mwargh | fnmueller: ehh, i mean i want this much displays, as in physical |
| 13:43.16 | shoot | Hello, I am new to Debian .... Which iso i should download? |
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| 13:43.57 | fnmueller | I understand |
| 13:44.16 | fnmueller | I meant: I have three monitors (physical ones) in a setup like this |
| 13:44.38 | Guest72197 | I have a laptop with broken screen, it works otherwise. I connected it to a monitor, but I do not know how to get to any applications since it is all on the broken screen. Is there a way of changing the main screen to be on the monitor instead. Thanks |
| 13:45.17 | mwargh | huh, i got it. i mean, if i'd find some place to put all those displays on |
| 13:45.27 | RES401 | I don't think I could work under those conditions, hehe, too much going on with 6 monitors |
| 13:45.53 | mwargh | RES401: you would be able to faster than you think lol |
| 13:45.53 | RES401 | I use 2, one for irssi and the other as my main where I do all my work. |
| 13:45.58 | mwargh | lol |
| 13:46.22 | mwargh | i'm using one for documentation and browser, another as my main |
| 13:46.36 | mwargh | but dedicate one irssi... |
| 13:46.38 | mwargh | *for |
| 13:47.28 | shoot | What is the latest version of Debian please? |
| 13:47.30 | RES401 | Yea I guess it would just take some getting used to, instead of switching to virtual workspace's |
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| 13:47.44 | RES401 | sid lol |
| 13:47.46 | mwargh | yeah |
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| 13:47.59 | mwargh | sid is always latest |
| 13:48.15 | mwargh | wheezy |
| 13:48.19 | mwargh | oh |
| 13:48.20 | mwargh | sorry |
| 13:48.23 | mwargh | not yet |
| 13:48.36 | shoot | wheezy is not released yet? |
| 13:49.08 | shoot | wheezy 7? |
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| 13:49.32 | fnmueller | no, it's not, look at debian.org |
| 13:49.32 | mwargh | it's not |
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| 13:49.40 | mwargh | you can use it anyway |
| 13:49.42 | mwargh | i do |
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| 13:49.48 | RES401 | well latest stable would be squeeze right? but unstable and testing would be cutting edge :) |
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| 13:50.01 | mwargh | yep, latest stable is squeeze |
| 13:50.22 | fnmueller | unstable would be cutting edge, prone to be broken |
| 13:50.35 | fnmueller | testing should be quite stable by now |
| 13:50.48 | RES401 | unstable isn't THAT bad |
| 13:50.53 | fnmueller | it's all on debian.org |
| 13:51.14 | Guest72197 | Is there something I can do by going into text interface through rescue mode???????????? |
| 13:51.14 | RES401 | unstable isn't really unstable contrary to it's name |
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| 13:52.02 | shoot | when wheezy 7 going to release? |
| 13:52.03 | RES401 | unstable basically get's you the latest releases of software |
| 13:52.14 | shoot | am not happy with Ubuntu |
| 13:52.24 | mwargh | Guest72197: like, everything? |
| 13:52.28 | mwargh | lol |
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| 13:52.39 | Guest30815 | hello I've big time issues with grub, i cloned ubuntu to new ubuntu partition, deleted old partiton, ended up in grub resuce, using live usb, ran boot repair, still it doesnt boots, although boot repair says success but it's not, see the log- http://paste.ubuntu.com/1616627/ |
| 13:52.56 | hid3 | ubuntu is bad and evil |
| 13:53.02 | hid3 | that's why you're having problems |
| 13:53.13 | Guest30815 | hid3, ok what's solution now |
| 13:53.13 | hid3 | it's actually a 'hacked debian' |
| 13:53.19 | RES401 | I tihnk ubuntu would actually get you more cutting edge releases of software than debian unstable, someone correct me if |
| 13:53.19 | RES401 | im wrong |
| 13:53.22 | hid3 | so you know how hacked software works |
| 13:53.24 | shoot | Ubuntu for Mobile and for kid |
| 13:53.38 | pc_magas | hid3, perhaps the main source of problems of Ubuntu is compiz because I use Ubuntu with fluxbox and no probs at all |
| 13:53.41 | mwargh | Guest72197: #ubuntu |
| 13:53.41 | hid3 | the solution would be to save all your data and reinstall to debian |
| 13:54.03 | mwargh | yep, ubuntu is actually an african word meaning 'i'm not able to configure debian' |
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| 13:54.19 | hid3 | true |
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| 13:54.40 | RES401 | If it's got apptitude, then it's debian in my eye's |
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| 13:54.49 | mwargh | no it's not |
| 13:54.52 | shoot | hid3, Yeah that is what i am deciding . But I am not sure if current debian will support my Modern Laptop very well |
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| 13:54.54 | hid3 | debian is apt-get |
| 13:55.08 | RES401 | mwargh: rofl on ubuntu translation |
| 13:55.09 | mwargh | it has evil things like upstart and network-manager and shit |
| 13:55.13 | hid3 | shoot: debian != kernel |
| 13:55.24 | _jacks | hi, how can i embed a sed command via ssh -C ? eg. ssh server -C "sed -e 's/configparm/configparm2/g' /path/to/file" |
| 13:55.31 | mwargh | RES401: ha. it's not mine though |
| 13:55.51 | shoot | hid3, you mean i need to install new kernel manually? |
| 13:55.53 | mwargh | _jacks: you wouldn't fucking believe :) |
| 13:56.24 | Guest72197 | mwargh, great I got response. Although I hoped for a longer explanation. What do you mean by #ubuntu |
| 13:56.26 | _jacks | i can't get it, it says sed -e expression #1, char 1: unknown command: `'' |
| 13:56.38 | mwargh | Guest72197: there is a channel about ubuntu |
| 13:57.14 | mwargh | they changed their distro quite a bit so debian advices don't automatically translate to ubuntu |
| 13:57.26 | Towzzer | I think you want -i on that sed |
| 13:57.39 | Towzzer | you want to edit the file correct? |
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| 13:57.43 | mwargh | Towzzer: what he actually wants is cfengine i guess |
| 13:58.02 | Towzzer | that might be a bit complex for a single command through ssh :D |
| 13:58.02 | mwargh | because ssh in for loop just isn't good enough and all that |
| 13:58.10 | mwargh | hehe :) |
| 13:58.53 | xorentor | hey all, how would I get an advocate for https://nm.debian.org/public/newnm ? |
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| 13:59.14 | RES401 | ok I'm off to work, see ya. |
| 13:59.16 | Towzzer | what's an advocate? |
| 13:59.23 | Guest72197 | mwargh, I think you are confusing me with someone else. I have debian wheezy on that laptop and would like to make it workable. It has broken screen. so I can hardly see anything on it . I want the main GUI like tab for activities and apps to be on a second monitor attached to laptop. |
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| 13:59.45 | hid3 | shoot: yes, in some cases your might need to do that |
| 13:59.47 | mwargh | Guest72197: oh sorry i indeed am |
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| 13:59.58 | megha | is anyone over here using amd athlon fx-74 processor ? |
| 14:00.35 | hid3 | here are lots of 'guests' |
| 14:00.39 | mwargh | Guest72197: what DE are you using? |
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| 14:01.28 | _jacks | Towzzer: yes i want to change a parameter to something else on alot of servers but using ssh -C |
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| 14:01.44 | Towzzer | that's fine, sed -i sir :D |
| 14:01.52 | Guest72197 | mwargh, gnome |
| 14:01.55 | Towzzer | it's one of those situations where the parameter flag doesn't mean what you think |
| 14:01.58 | _jacks | Towzzer: do you know how to embed it correctly? |
| 14:02.00 | Towzzer | -e is for scripts and -i means in place |
| 14:02.31 | _jacks | Towzzer: oh i see, but for some reason bash is intepreting the ' char |
| 14:02.31 | mwargh | Guest72197: iirc it allows you to disable a monitor in setting |
| 14:02.32 | naveko | hi everybody.. I want to install Debian on a new pc.. no OS yet.. which image do I need for that? |
| 14:02.32 | Towzzer | ssh <server> '<command>' |
| 14:02.33 | mwargh | *settings |
| 14:02.55 | Towzzer | that's because of you are issuing the -e |
| 14:02.56 | mwargh | why it doesn't work in your case? |
| 14:02.59 | Towzzer | it's a sed error |
| 14:03.03 | aubel | naveko: either the netinstall image or the first CD for your architecture. |
| 14:03.09 | mwargh | naveko: disk1 |
| 14:03.33 | _jacks | Towzzer: so ssh test-server 'sed -i s/parm/changedparm/g /path/to/somefile' |
| 14:03.34 | babilen | naveko: For what do you plan to use the box and do you have a working internet connection? |
| 14:03.45 | naveko | mwargh: dvd 1? |
| 14:04.06 | babilen | mwargh: CD1 is most likely the worst choice. (it doesn't contain the complete Gnome DE and if you have a working internet connection you can just download the packages you need) |
| 14:04.07 | naveko | babilen: I have the computer connected to the internet by a cable |
| 14:04.10 | Towzzer | yes, or use double quotes around everything and single quotes within if needed |
| 14:04.19 | Towzzer | for spaces or whatnots |
| 14:04.21 | _jacks | Towzzer: oh right i see, thanks |
| 14:04.30 | mwargh | naveko: yes |
| 14:04.33 | mwargh | or just cd1 |
| 14:04.36 | aubel | naveko: then you probably want the netinstall image. |
| 14:04.38 | babilen | naveko: Wonderful. What do you plan to use the computer for (personal use, important server million of peoples depend on, something in between) ? |
| 14:04.53 | naveko | babilen: I want to start using it as a server |
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| 14:05.01 | mwargh | cd1 then |
| 14:05.04 | naveko | for code base |
| 14:05.07 | shoot | hid3, mind for quick pm please? |
| 14:05.08 | Guest72197 | mwargh, is iirc a command? |
| 14:05.15 | babilen | naveko: Which Desktop Environment (if any) or window manager do you plan to use? On what kind of hardware are you installing? (which CPU, network interface card, ...) |
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| 14:05.27 | mwargh | Guest72197: nope, it's an acronym. if i recall correctly |
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| 14:05.49 | naveko | babilen: I don't know yet.. I have no experience at all with Debian |
| 14:05.57 | naveko | babilen: the computer is brand new |
| 14:06.04 | naveko | just bought it |
| 14:06.07 | mwargh | naveko: if you want to make a server you don't need any GUI |
| 14:06.10 | naveko | so there's nothing on it |
| 14:06.11 | oo_miguel | Is there a library that lets me connect to a ms-sql server? |
| 14:06.15 | mwargh | if i understand correctly |
| 14:06.20 | mwargh | that you won't work on this box |
| 14:06.24 | Guest72197 | mwargh, so how can I use iirc through text interface/ |
| 14:06.24 | mwargh | directly |
| 14:06.39 | mwargh | Guest72197: nope, you can use irssi through text interface |
| 14:06.40 | naveko | mwargh: the idea is that I can connect to it through ssh and http |
| 14:06.51 | mwargh | naveko: so use cd1 |
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| 14:06.54 | babilen | naveko: Sure, you don't have to have experience with Debian in order to start using it. Do you know what kind of processor or network card is used in the computer? What do you mean by server? Is it just a computer that hosts services for you (and maybe some friends) or an important one? |
| 14:07.00 | _jacks | Towzzer: hooray it works thanks :) |
| 14:07.11 | mwargh | make sure you make swap and at least separate /var dir |
| 14:07.15 | babilen | mwargh: Drop it! CD1 is most likely the worst choice. |
| 14:07.15 | naveko | babilen: yes.. I want to install Git on it |
| 14:07.24 | mwargh | babilen: he wants to make a server |
| 14:07.46 | babilen | mwargh: So? A netinst image (and preferably one with firmware) is much more appropriate. |
| 14:08.07 | babilen | naveko: Do you know which CPU is used in that box? So you plan to use it for personal use? |
| 14:08.09 | naveko | it has an intel core i5 processor |
| 14:08.18 | mwargh | babilen: huh, true as well |
| 14:08.45 | naveko | babilen: I want to use it in my team of web developers |
| 14:08.45 | Towzzer | have a nice day jcks |
| 14:09.07 | mwargh | babilen: but actually you can put firmware on the usb stick and use cd1 |
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| 14:09.33 | tuxhat | System: Host tux-debian Kernel 3.2.0-4-amd64 x86_64 (64 bit) Desktop Openbox 3.5.0 Distro Debian GNU/Linux 7.0 |
| 14:09.33 | mwargh | i don't see why one is better than the other |
| 14:09.37 | babilen | naveko: You essentially have to options: We will soon release a new stable version (in say, 2-5 months) and you could just install that. |
| 14:09.44 | tuxhat | Info: Processes 105 Uptime 5 min Memory 231.3/8005.4MB Client Weechat 0.3.8 inxi 1.8.4 |
| 14:09.52 | babilen | mwargh: Because CD1 is a larger download and will most likely contain outdated packages. |
| 14:09.59 | tuxhat | :) |
| 14:10.00 | shoot | I need http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.6/amd64/iso-cd/debian-6.0.6-amd64-kde-CD-1.iso ? I want to install other package using apt-get ... Is one CD can complete the installation or i am required to download other CD too? |
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| 14:10.06 | Guest72197 | mwargh, it seems that irssi is something that needs to be installed? |
| 14:10.14 | tuxhat | got this old debian all pimped up |
| 14:10.19 | naveko | babilen: I am afraid I have to install something now |
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| 14:10.32 | Ristovski | babilen: whats the matter with all the CDn images? |
| 14:10.35 | tuxhat | °|3:55-4:58|°|X - The Have Nots|° |
| 14:10.37 | Ristovski | I always download CD1 |
| 14:10.37 | tuxhat | starting deadbeef 0.5.6 [static] |
| 14:10.41 | babilen | shoot: For what use? CD1 does /not/ contain everything you need and if you don't have a working internet connection during the installation you will end up with an incomplete Gnome Desktop (in particular one without network-manager) |
| 14:10.55 | tuxhat | openbox #1 |
| 14:10.57 | mwargh | babilen: huh, thanks, i got your point |
| 14:11.02 | mwargh | Guest72197: it is |
| 14:11.03 | tuxhat | and xmonad |
| 14:11.12 | mwargh | Guest72197: it's a text irc client |
| 14:11.32 | _jacks | shoot: I don't think CD1 has the window system complete |
| 14:11.38 | naveko | babilen: so if I download the net install iso that should work? |
| 14:11.44 | tuxhat | ditch windows |
| 14:11.46 | babilen | naveko: Yeah, you can install wheezy right now and I would recommend to do that. Use the beta4 image with firmare for that if you have a working internet connection: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/wheezy_di_beta4/ |
| 14:11.48 | tuxhat | here is debian |
| 14:11.51 | tuxhat | u dont need windows |
| 14:11.52 | Guest72197 | mwargh, isn't there an easier way of accomplishing the task ? |
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| 14:11.54 | mwargh | babilen: he doesn't need window sistem anyway |
| 14:12.17 | Ristovski | is there a difference between CD1.iso and lets say CD5.iso? |
| 14:12.18 | naveko | babilen: I can just burn that to a cd and boot from it? |
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| 14:12.35 | shoot | babilen, my Internet is too slow... That is why i want to download an standalone CD/DVD(1GB) . Later i will install other package using apt if i needed |
| 14:12.47 | _jacks | Ristovski: i think CD1 has base install, CD5 has additional repo packages |
| 14:13.01 | naveko | babilen: this one? firmware-wheezy-DI-b4-amd64-netinst.iso |
| 14:13.09 | Ristovski | _jacks: and the others? |
| 14:13.16 | Guest72197 | mwargh, how about BIOS settings? |
| 14:13.17 | babilen | naveko: Yes, exactly. You can also use a USB stick if you want. |
| 14:13.21 | _jacks | Ristovski: just packages, afaik |
| 14:13.23 | mwargh | Guest72197: we got off track. you need to find display setting in the gnome |
| 14:13.26 | babilen | dpkg: tell naveko -about usb install |
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| 14:13.34 | naveko | babilen: I'll go try right now |
| 14:13.50 | Guest72197 | mwargh, yes, thanks, how do I do it? |
| 14:14.02 | babilen | shoot: Ok, in that case I would recommend to download DVD1 (as that contains everything you need for a complete Gnome installation) -- Do you want to use Gnome? Is this for your personal box? |
| 14:14.14 | naveko | babilen: thank you very much for your help so far |
| 14:14.28 | babilen | dpkg: tell naveko about debian handbook |
| 14:15.00 | babilen | naveko: You might be interested in reading the excellent and free (!!) Debian Handbook to learn more about Debian administration |
| 14:15.01 | shoot | babilen, Yes , it is for my personal computer. And I am used to with KDE |
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| 14:15.28 | mwargh | Guest72197: well, do you have setting in the menu? i think you need this to do it |
| 14:15.31 | mwargh | http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=gnome-control-center |
| 14:15.34 | naveko | babilen: I am certainly interested in learning more |
| 14:15.46 | babilen | shoot: Ok, in that case I would recommend to simply download DVD1 from http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 14:15.52 | babilen | dpkg: tell shoot about install kde |
| 14:16.03 | Guest72197 | mwargh, I can not see anything on the screen |
| 14:16.28 | aubel | Wouldn't "debian-wheezy-DI-b4-i386-kde-CD-1.iso" be appropiate? |
| 14:16.29 | mwargh | Guest72197: and on the other screen? |
| 14:16.34 | babilen | shoot: You can either install KDE later (manually from the command line) or configure the installer to install it when you install the "Desktop" task. It sounds as if you would like to do the latter and our bot (dpkg) just told you how in a private message. |
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| 14:16.46 | aubel | Or does it lack some essential packages to get KDE working? |
| 14:16.47 | mwargh | Guest72197: i mean, what can you do with the your box? can you lanunch an application? |
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| 14:17.30 | Guest72197 | mwargh, the other screen is fine but nothing to click on and no I can not get to the apps |
| 14:17.39 | babilen | aubel: It might be -- but (at least) Gnome CD1 does /not/ contain all packages that are needed for a complete Gnome installation. I am not a KDE user, but the same issue might be present with the KDE images. I would have to check that, but DVD1 definitely contains all that is needed. |
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| 14:18.13 | Stadtpirat | I have Makefile.am with a line that replaces variables to paths. It's this one: » pre: sed -e "s|%sysconfdir%|${sysconfdir}|g; s|%sbindir%|${sbindir}|g; « How does the makefile know about those variables? If I put "echo ${sysconfdir}" in a bash, i don't get any result. The script however is fine. |
| 14:18.51 | Guest72197 | mwargh, how about BIOS? Or I can ssh to the laptop from another computer |
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| 14:19.03 | aubel | babilen: why do the CDs exist then in the first place if they aren't enough? I'm not a KDE/Gnome user either, just curious. |
| 14:19.10 | babilen | aubel: In particular the network-manager packages are not on CD1 (network-manager-kde_0.9.0.3-1_amd64.deb for example is on CD4) |
| 14:19.17 | Towzzer | stadt does it include other files ? |
| 14:19.19 | shoot | babilen, Since my internet speed is too slow so i also interested to customize the Debian iso(For own purpose)... So that i don't need to install the same package for every fresh installation.... Is Live DVD good Idea? |
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| 14:19.31 | themill | aubel: you can use more than one CD, and then it is enough |
| 14:19.36 | mwargh | Guest72197: you can press alt+f2 and type xterm to start a terminal |
| 14:19.53 | babilen | aubel: They are there for historic reasons and I would expect Debian to simply offer 1GB/2GB images in lieu of CD1 in the future. That is still being discussed though and will not happen for wheezy. |
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| 14:20.00 | mwargh | Guest72197: there are shortcuts to move the window i think |
| 14:20.07 | babilen | aubel: (it might, haven't followed the discussion /that/ closely) |
| 14:20.17 | mwargh | Guest72197: can you ssh into this box? |
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| 14:20.56 | hellyeah | hhaha |
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| 14:20.59 | hellyeah | i like mate |
| 14:21.07 | Towzzer | mate is pretty good |
| 14:21.25 | aubel | babilen: Got it, thanks. I've never delved into any installation options aside from CD1. |
| 14:21.32 | hellyeah | we love old school thing yeaha :D |
| 14:21.43 | Guest72197 | mwargh, yes |
| 14:22.20 | hellyeah | 3.2.0-4-amd64 |
| 14:22.27 | hellyeah | is it current kernel |
| 14:22.31 | mwargh | Guest72197: well good, now I guess you can passthrough your X session over ssh and connect to your broken box |
| 14:22.36 | babilen | aubel: For this reason CD1 is almost always not a good choice (IMHO) |
| 14:22.59 | mwargh | Guest72197: that's how: http://tldp.org/HOWTO/XDMCP-HOWTO/ssh.html |
| 14:23.47 | aubel | babilen: I find it the best choice for me. For some reason, I can't connect to the internet at all during installation. Yet, after installation/rebooting it works perfectly. |
| 14:24.05 | mwargh | after you do it i think you need to install gnome-control-center on you broken box and launch it on the good machine over ssh. i hope it contains display configure section |
| 14:24.15 | mwargh | Guest72197: it would be easy way |
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| 14:24.45 | aubel | So anything (currently CD1?) that gets me to a functional installation and a working apt is good. :) |
| 14:25.06 | hellyeah | hey |
| 14:25.13 | hellyeah | 3.2.0-4-amd64 is thet current kernel |
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| 14:25.57 | themill | hellyeah: that's the current kernel ABI but there are many kernel packages that have that ABI. /msg dpkg reboot required |
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| 14:26.15 | hellyeah | msg dpkg reboot required |
| 14:26.18 | hellyeah | what is ABI |
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| 14:27.31 | Guest72197 | mwargh, I have anothe laptop with broken keyboard and I want to change the main screen on it also How can I do it through GUI? |
| 14:27.53 | shoot | Getting http://live.debian.net/cdimage/release/current/amd64/iso-hybrid/ is good idea? I can install debian from the Live CD? |
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| 14:33.03 | shoot | babilen, Do you think Getting the Live DVD is good Idea? In future i want to customize the ISO for my own purpose. |
| 14:33.22 | shoot | I can install debian from the live DVD? |
| 14:33.26 | babilen | shoot: I would recommend to use the installer CDs to install Debian over the live CDs. As mentioned earlier I would also recommend to install /wheezy/ and not /squeeze/ to you. You can get them from http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
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| 14:34.25 | babilen | shoot: I would use the live cd if you have a /real/ need for a live cd that is /not/ "I want to install Debian" -- You would also have to start a custom build for wheezy images |
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| 14:36.38 | shoot | babilen, Is wheezy(7 beta) good for me since i am not a power user? |
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| 14:38.44 | naveko | babilen: it keeps saying it is an invalid system disk |
| 14:38.58 | naveko | I copied the iso to a USB |
| 14:39.51 | Towzzer | how did you copy it |
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| 14:40.08 | naveko | Towzzer: how do you mean? |
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| 14:40.16 | Towzzer | did you drag the iso to the usb drive? |
| 14:40.30 | naveko | ctlr-c ctrl-v |
| 14:40.34 | Towzzer | that won't work |
| 14:40.38 | Towzzer | are you on windows or linux? |
| 14:40.53 | naveko | I have a mac and a windows xp running now |
| 14:41.02 | flowers | Hi! How is it going? |
| 14:41.05 | naveko | either is good |
| 14:41.24 | Towzzer | http://unetbootin.sourceforge.net/ use this program to write the image to the usb drive |
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| 14:42.11 | themill | it might even work for you |
| 14:42.36 | hellyeah | is there a command to see all packages related to one package |
| 14:42.54 | themill | hellyeah: "related to"? |
| 14:42.59 | hellyeah | fır example i want to see all gnome package like gnome-blah an all libraries of gnome |
| 14:43.09 | babilen | shoot: I would recommend it (right now) (I wouldn't have if I wouldn't) |
| 14:43.23 | babilen | naveko: How did you copy it to the USB? |
| 14:43.30 | Towzzer | he copied the file to the usb drive |
| 14:43.37 | babilen | hmm, that won't work |
| 14:43.46 | babilen | dpkg: tell naveko -about usb install |
| 14:43.49 | Towzzer | I've directed him to a website that will fix his problems |
| 14:44.08 | babilen | naveko: Use the win32-image-writer on Windows (you have to rename the .iso to .img as Windows is a bit anal about file extensions) |
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| 14:45.06 | naveko | babilen, Towzzer : thanks.. I'll try it now |
| 14:45.28 | babilen | Towzzer: Do /not/ recommend unetbootin please. It is broken and causes all kind of errors when it is used for Debian images. Windows users can use the (working!) win32-image-writer to write the images directly to the USB stick. (and linux/OSX users can use "cat the-image.iso > /dev/sdX ; sync" (where /dev/sdX is the block device of the usb stick) |
| 14:45.33 | babilen | naveko: ^^^ |
| 14:45.53 | babilen | That is explained and linked in "/msg dpkg usb install" and the installation guide btw. |
| 14:46.11 | babilen | bbl |
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| 14:46.57 | naveko | babilen: okay I won't use the unetbootin then |
| 14:47.03 | babilen | yay! |
| 14:47.04 | babilen | :) |
| 14:47.31 | hellyeah | unetbootin sucks man |
| 14:47.45 | hellyeah | it didnt work since a while for me |
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| 14:51.01 | dfgdfgdg | hello, I have the password for an email adress, say a@b.com, how do you normally login to the mail if there is no login prompt at the website www.b.com ? |
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| 14:52.52 | jhutchins_wk | dfgdfgdg: There's no standard to that. It can be just a, or a@b.com, or something entirely different. |
| 14:53.06 | shoot | dfgdfgdg, pop3,imap from client software in your computer? |
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| 14:53.41 | themill | dfgdfgdg: I don't think #debian is any better for your question than #freenode was. |
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| 14:56.00 | mr_daniel | I installed Debian 6.0.6 from CD and want to deactivate the CD-ROM as a source for packages. Should I manually edit /etc/apt/sources.list and remove the line for the CD? |
| 14:56.08 | mr_daniel | Or are there fronted-tools for /etc/apt/sources.list, which I should use to avoid mistakes? |
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| 14:56.26 | mr_daniel | It is a server, so there is no GUI or desktop like Gnome etc. |
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| 14:56.48 | hellyeah | how can i restart alsa |
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| 14:57.20 | babilen | mr_daniel: Just edit the file |
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| 14:57.53 | jhutchins_wk | mr_daniel: We trust you. |
| 14:58.00 | mr_daniel | ok :) |
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| 14:58.20 | jhutchins_wk | You might consider just commenting the line rather than removing it. |
| 14:58.32 | mr_daniel | ...which I did |
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| 14:58.49 | babilen | Ah, comments are horrible. visual bloat that is not good for anything! |
| 14:59.12 | mr_daniel | I agree babilen |
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| 14:59.57 | jhutchins_wk | is glad he doesn't run babilen's code. |
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| 15:00.04 | babilen | It's easy to add a CD again if that is needed (cf. "man 1 apt-cd") and comments should be exactly that. A comment on the actual code/configuration. The method of "commenting out because it might be needed again later" is horrible and a symptom of bad version management. |
| 15:00.11 | babilen | </rant> |
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| 15:00.22 | babilen | jhutchins_wk: I hope you are happier now :) |
| 15:00.31 | johnfg | zykotick9: Just got back on...Did you tell awesome in that image you pasted that you didn't want the layout tiled? |
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| 15:00.54 | johnfg | How do you move those windows around if they aren't tiled? |
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| 15:11.49 | mparodi | well, it seems it's impossible to separate the monitors :| |
| 15:11.52 | naveko | babilen: the installation breaks when it's trying to read from the cd-rom |
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| 15:12.09 | mparodi | Now I'm looking for duplicating the panels in kde so both looks as real virtual desktop |
| 15:12.13 | mparodi | desktops* |
| 15:12.18 | naveko | I am using a USB stick |
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| 15:12.41 | babilen | naveko: How does it break? |
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| 15:13.32 | naveko | babilen: it says 'Load installer components from CD' then it says it can't read from the cd-rom |
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| 15:14.01 | naveko | babilen: obviously there is no installer cd in it, since I am using the USB |
| 15:14.03 | babilen | naveko: Didn't you use an USB stick? |
| 15:14.17 | babilen | naveko: Ok, how did you create the USB stick? |
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| 15:14.53 | naveko | babilen: I used win32diskimager |
| 15:15.08 | babilen | With firmware-wheezy-DI-b4-amd64-netinst.iso ? |
| 15:15.14 | naveko | I renamed the iso to img |
| 15:15.16 | naveko | yes |
| 15:15.20 | naveko | exactly |
| 15:15.43 | pmo | Do any of you use the G* keyboards from logitech on linux? |
| 15:15.52 | babilen | naveko: And you mean win32-image-writer and not win32diskimager don't you? |
| 15:16.14 | naveko | babilen: mmmm |
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| 15:16.29 | babilen | dpkg: usb install |
| 15:16.29 | dpkg | You can install Debian from a USB stick/thumbdrive/pen drive/key on x86 systems, as long as your system's BIOS can boot from USB. Details are in the Installation Guide, see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch04s03 and ask me about <install debian> for hybrid CD/DVD images. https://launchpad.net/win32-image-writer/+download to prepare from Windows. BIOS can't boot from USB? Use http://www.plop.at/en/bootmanager.html |
| 15:16.34 | babilen | naveko: That one ^^^^ |
| 15:16.46 | babilen | naveko: don't you? (hehe) |
| 15:17.07 | naveko | this is where I got it from: https://launchpad.net/win32-image-writer |
| 15:17.38 | babilen | yeah, that is the right one. I wonder what is wrong with that as it used to work perfectly™. |
| 15:18.13 | babilen | Note that there is a win32diskimager (http://sourceforge.net/projects/win32diskimager/) hence my question which one you used. |
| 15:18.14 | themill | It's a day that ends in "y", ergo, shit happens. |
| 15:18.44 | mparodi | have you managed to duplicate a panel in kde? |
| 15:18.58 | naveko | babilen: the installation starts alright.. so I could choose a language, region and stuff |
| 15:19.10 | babilen | naveko: Are you 100% sure that you used win32-image-writer and not, mayhaps, the win32diskimager you mentioned? |
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| 15:19.50 | naveko | babilen: it was the win32diskimager, because I clicked on external downloads and it led me to the source forge page |
| 15:19.53 | babilen | naveko: Yeah, the "no cd found" is one of the typical errors that happen when you use unetbootin. The win32-image-writer used to get it right which is why we recommend it here. Are you absolutely sure you used that tool? |
| 15:20.37 | babilen | argh - what happened? why do they confuse me! |
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| 15:20.48 | themill | naveko: if it fails, try a different usb port on your machine |
| 15:21.02 | naveko | themill: I'll try that |
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| 15:22.08 | babilen | yeah, it is the same program -- i'll update the link |
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| 15:23.18 | naveko | themill: it doesn't make any difference, I'm afraid |
| 15:23.42 | naveko | babilen: I could also burn a DVD, that's no problem |
| 15:23.58 | naveko | babilen: I have some empty DVDs here |
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| 15:24.09 | naveko | would that work? |
| 15:24.25 | babilen | naveko: Please give that a try -- This is weird though as many people used exactly that tool before. |
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| 15:47.38 | verxion | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:47.41 | verxion | E: Broken packages |
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| 15:49.25 | babilen | dpkg: tell verxion -about bat |
| 15:49.52 | zykotick9 | babilen: notice the ubuntu7 and ubuntu2 at the end of verxion's packages? |
| 15:49.57 | babilen | verxion: And in case you use Ubuntu: You want #ubuntu not #debian |
| 15:50.08 | babilen | zykotick9: I did :) ^^^ |
| 15:51.43 | naveko | babilen: it's getting weirder and weirder |
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| 15:51.48 | babilen | naveko: hmm? |
| 15:52.07 | naveko | now I keep getting a Dos prompt DR-DOS a:\> |
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| 15:52.19 | naveko | I put the cd in |
| 15:52.29 | naveko | changed the boot sequence |
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| 15:52.53 | Towzzer | sounds like your drive was used for another bootable os |
| 15:52.58 | Towzzer | like firmware flashing or something |
| 15:53.27 | naveko | Towzzer: you mean the USB I was using before? |
| 15:53.53 | naveko | Towzzer: I don't even know what firmware flashing is |
| 15:54.38 | babilen | naveko: So, to clarify: You burned the Debian image to a CD and boot from that and you get a DR-DOS prompt? |
| 15:54.55 | babilen | naveko: Are you /sure/ that you boot the right CD and that the installer is on there? Could you verify that? |
| 15:55.02 | babilen | dpkg: check cd |
| 15:55.03 | dpkg | To verify you have a valid and official Debian CD/DVD image, see http://www.debian.org/CD/faq/#verify . To test an ISO image was burned correctly, compare the output of md5sum filename.iso; dd if=/dev/cdrom | head -c `stat --format=%s filename.iso` | md5sum You should compare this md5sum to the checksum for the ISO image on the mirror. See also <check iso signature>. |
| 15:55.08 | Towzzer | is it a black usb drive with a square white button |
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| 15:55.15 | Towzzer | that slides the end in and out |
| 15:55.17 | babilen | naveko: I guess you can't do ^^^ as you don't have access to a unix system. |
| 15:55.36 | naveko | I am on a Mac now |
| 15:55.46 | naveko | babilen: that's Unix isn't it? |
| 15:55.52 | babilen | yeah, that should do |
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| 15:57.19 | naveko | babilen: do I need those SUMS from here: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/wheezy_di_beta4/amd64/iso-cd/ ? |
| 15:57.30 | NotThrice | hi; I'm trying to install gnome from experimental, on a wheezy install - though, my question is more about apt pinning. I have set, in preferences.d/gnome, wheezy, sid, and experimental to have priority 900, 300, and 100, respectively |
| 15:57.57 | babilen | (you should also be able to create the usb stick using "cat the-iamge.iso > /dev/sdX ; sync" (with /dev/diskN being the block device of your usb stick (something like /dev/disk1 or so, no read idea as I haven't used OSX in ages) |
| 15:58.08 | NotThrice | however, when trying to do eg. aptitude install -t experimental gnome-session, it wants to pull in a few interesting candidates, like libc from experimental. is my pin setup not strict enough? |
| 15:58.15 | babilen | naveko: yes, exactly (if that is the image you downloaded) |
| 15:58.34 | naveko | babilen: then that might be the problem |
| 15:58.38 | Towzzer | notthrice, if it needs packages of a certain version I think it might get them from the same repo |
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| 15:58.43 | babilen | naveko: Please elaborate |
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| 15:59.04 | NotThrice | Towzzer: yeah, I'm expecting a few bits from sid, and direct deps only in exp to come in. but libc sounds weird, no? |
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| 15:59.12 | naveko | babilen: I only downloaded the .iso file and created a bootable USB with that |
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| 15:59.20 | Towzzer | libc is required by most c software :D |
| 15:59.34 | babilen | naveko: Yeah, that should be perfectly fine. You only need the md5sum if you want to check the checksums |
| 15:59.43 | naveko | oh okay |
| 15:59.43 | wald0 | is there a repository for use an updated kernel in wheezy ? i want to see if the actual kernel is the problem on the audio card of a computer where not works |
| 16:00.00 | NotThrice | Towzzer: sure, but on the dep level, that seems rather scary. is there a way to tell why, prior to the update, it thinks it needs a newer libc? |
| 16:00.18 | jelly | wald0: no, but there's a 3.6 kernel in experimental. |
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| 16:00.20 | Towzzer | package dependancies are listed on packages.debian.org |
| 16:00.22 | jelly | 3.7, sorry |
| 16:00.55 | NotThrice | Towzzer: so, one by one for the 400 packages it is upgrading? :P |
| 16:01.10 | babilen | naveko: Runnind "md5sum firmware-wheezy-DI-b4-amd64-netinst.iso" should give you a6cc6197e396a5496c2aa4490fa1dea0 -- As should " dd if=/dev/cdrom | head -c `stat --format=%s firmware-wheezy-DI-b4-amd64-netinst.iso` | md5sum" |
| 16:01.48 | babilen | naveko: (assuming OSX uses /dev/cdrom (adjust as necessary to get the CD)) |
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| 16:02.03 | wald0 | jelly: thanks, let me se how (correctly) it installs there.. |
| 16:02.15 | babilen | naveko: Are you sure that you booted from the right CD? Was it used for something else before? |
| 16:02.56 | naveko | babilen: there's only one cd-rom player and I have just burned an empty dvd |
| 16:03.21 | Towzzer | notthrice, I think installing gnome from another repo is going to cause alot of stuff to be upgraded |
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| 16:03.50 | babilen | naveko: Well, check the md5sum of your image. Does it match? |
| 16:04.49 | babilen | naveko: You should be able to list disks with "diskutil list" |
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| 16:05.27 | naveko | my system doesn't recognise the md5sum command |
| 16:05.47 | zykotick9 | naveko: try md5 instead |
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| 16:06.07 | naveko | that's better :) |
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| 16:09.00 | babilen | naveko: And? Does it match? |
| 16:09.21 | naveko | babilen: yes it does |
| 16:09.47 | babilen | For both the image /and/ the burned CD? |
| 16:09.58 | naveko | I checked the cd |
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| 16:10.11 | babilen | hmm? |
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| 16:10.36 | naveko | babilen: I did the md5 on the file on the cd |
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| 16:10.51 | naveko | md5 /Volumes/Debian\ net\ boot/firmware-wheezy-DI-b4-amd64-netinst.img |
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| 16:12.10 | themill | "file on the cd" doesn't sound right |
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| 16:13.00 | babilen | naveko: You need to burn the image to the CD. That is you want to burn it as an image not the file! You might have to rename the .img to .iso again. |
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| 16:18.48 | ZeroBeholder | Is there a benefit to having the deb-src entries in my /etc/apt/sources.list (eg #deb-src http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ wheezy main contrib non-free ) |
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| 16:19.25 | ZeroBeholder | I read the sysadmin guide on debian.org and it didn't really say. Googling was unproductive... |
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| 16:19.54 | babilen | ZeroBeholder: It allows you to retrieve source packages. |
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| 16:20.07 | babilen | dpkg: tell ZeroBeholder -about source packages |
| 16:20.10 | babilen | dpkg: tell ZeroBeholder -about source package |
| 16:20.19 | Pei | heh |
| 16:20.20 | ZeroBeholder | What might the system do with those if I always use package packages |
| 16:20.35 | Pei | it'll blow up |
| 16:20.37 | Pei | hehe |
| 16:20.37 | naveko | babilen: I need a cd to write this iso, a dvd is not accepted |
| 16:20.51 | naveko | I guess I'll be heading for the shop then |
| 16:21.02 | babilen | ZeroBeholder: You would be able to recompile a package, take a look at the source of it or the way it has been packaged for Debian. It is up to you, you don't have to use it, but it certainly won't hurt. |
| 16:21.04 | johnfg | i'm running wheezy in a vm on squeeze. Is there something special I need to do, or can do, to enable mouse cutting and pasting between os and vm? |
| 16:21.36 | babilen | naveko: You can burn it to a DVD -- You simply have to burn it as an image (that is you burn the actual data to the DVD not the /file/ that contains the data) |
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| 16:22.11 | naveko | babilen: I am using Nero on my windows computer |
| 16:22.17 | babilen | naveko: Most burn programs make the distinction. In the end you don't want the firmware-wheezy-DI-b4-amd64-netinst.iso /file/ on the CD but its content |
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| 16:22.50 | Towzzer | I don't want to be mean but if he can't burn an iso or know what that is |
| 16:22.54 | Towzzer | what chance does he have using debian |
| 16:22.55 | wulfe | johnfg, VirtualBox? Guest additions installed? |
| 16:22.59 | naveko | If I choose Burn image to Disc it says I must use a CD-R and not a DVD |
| 16:23.36 | babilen | wut? |
| 16:24.00 | naveko | babilen: I'll give it a try on my Mac then |
| 16:24.03 | babilen | naveko: You are referring to "Burn image to Disc" as in http://johnbokma.com/mexit/2007/01/05/nero-startsmart-burn-image-to-disc.png |
| 16:24.15 | naveko | babilen: exactly |
| 16:24.56 | naveko | babilen: I think I'll try this now: http://support.apple.com/kb/HT2087 |
| 16:25.11 | Pei | apple. heh. |
| 16:25.15 | babilen | naveko: http://support.apple.com/kb/HT2087 maybe ... |
| 16:25.18 | babilen | yeah |
| 16:25.39 | johnfg | wulfe: yes |
| 16:25.55 | babilen | naveko: Otherwise ask in ##osx on how to do that |
| 16:25.58 | wulfe | johnfg, if you are running VirtualBox and have the guest additions installed. go to your settings for the guest os in Virtual Box and under General > Advanced Tab you wil find a shared clipboard set this to bidirectional |
| 16:26.17 | babilen | naveko: Remember to rename the .img to .iso (just to be sure) |
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| 16:26.36 | wulfe | johnfg, you can also set drag n drop here as well |
| 16:27.11 | naveko | babilen: I will, thanks |
| 16:27.38 | naveko | babilen: sorry for taking up so much of your time |
| 16:27.54 | babilen | naveko: That's okay :) |
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| 16:33.20 | johnfg | wulfe: Thanks. I'll have to shutdown it looks like to be able to adjust those settings. |
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| 16:34.50 | wulfe | johnfg, yes it can only be set with the guest os off, but it should be what you are wanting |
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| 16:45.01 | Towzzer | opinions- I read somewhere that scripts shouldn't use uppercase variables names because system variables use that |
| 16:45.06 | Towzzer | what do you think |
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| 16:45.50 | geggam | think its a good way to start a pointless discussion |
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| 16:47.03 | babilen | In particular in #debian -- Take it to whatever channel is appropriate for the language you write your scripts in. |
| 16:47.07 | naveko | babilen: the CD is recognised now |
| 16:47.14 | babilen | naveko: yay! :) |
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| 16:49.36 | ad_da | hi |
| 16:49.44 | Towzzer | hi dad |
| 16:49.54 | naveko | babilen: this is looking much more promising |
| 16:50.14 | babilen | naveko: finally :) |
| 16:50.24 | ad_da | Is there any way to look from aptitude (ncurses) the same information as "apt-cache search" |
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| 16:51.36 | themill | ad_da: search the description with ~d |
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| 16:52.04 | ad_da | themill: let me try thanks :) |
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| 16:54.59 | themill | (not strictly the same because apt-cache also searches package names not just descriptions; use ~n to search names too) |
| 16:55.13 | naveko | babilen: looks like it's going well all the way through |
| 16:55.30 | naveko | babilen: thanks a million for your help! |
| 16:55.41 | naveko | babilen++ |
| 16:56.00 | babilen | You are welcome -- Enjoy and don't hesitate to ask if you need help with something else. (you are missing a ! in front of my name for the babilen++) |
| 16:56.27 | naveko | !babilen++ |
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| 16:57.00 | babilen | bows |
| 16:57.18 | wsky | before me? |
| 16:57.42 | wsky | \o/ |
| 16:57.45 | wsky | <.< |
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| 17:00.41 | irqq | any experts about MegaCli here? |
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| 17:02.40 | babilen | irqq: I don't think that's in Debian, but you might want to clarify what you are talking about. (also: just ask your /real/ question) |
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| 17:05.18 | irqq | I can't prepare a drive for removal. MegaCli says it can't accept the command. I am not sure if I can hotswap the drive i this state |
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| 17:07.05 | irqq | here's what it is saying: http://pastebin.com/pveSMY23 |
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| 17:08.25 | irqq | I am just looking for a channel that could have people familiar with it. It's a server hardware problem so I am touching linux channels |
| 17:08.29 | mino | irqq, why dont you get in touch with the LSI support? |
| 17:09.41 | irqq | because they will respond tomorrow, and will force me to dump and send them full system informaition with their lsiget tool first. |
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| 17:10.35 | mino | irqq, http://serverfault.com/questions/331807/megacli-is-killing-me-any-help-appreciated |
| 17:11.12 | korhojoa | hey guys. I'm wondering something about my graphics card. whenever I start Xorg, it says there isn't enough memory for what resolution I'd like. I'm however wondering why it doesn't seem to know that there's 4MB available instead of 2. http://paste.debian.net/232248/ is a paste with some output which should help |
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| 17:11.52 | ad_da | themill: I'm back. I don't find it from aptitude |
| 17:12.29 | ad_da | for example if you wanna look for g++ ( I know is in build-essential) |
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| 17:12.54 | ad_da | I can't find it from the search option from aptitude |
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| 17:13.10 | mino | irqq, and debug with lsdev if there is still access to that disk |
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| 17:15.56 | jacksmithz | is perl required for debian to work? Im trying to make a minimal install, and want to remove everything not required |
| 17:16.22 | irqq | I am on freebsd :-). I don't need an access to this disk. It is a failed disk and I want to remove it. As I read from manual I need first to stop it spinning by commanding it -pdprprmv command but the controller says it can't complete this command. |
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| 17:19.18 | babilen | irqq: I don't see what this has to do with Debian. You don't seem to use Debian nor is MegaCLI packaged in Debian. |
| 17:19.29 | themill | ad_da: you'd just l (for limit) g\+\+ ← you're putting in regular expressions so you need to quote the +. "/msg dpkg aptitude search" for more details and examples |
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| 17:19.55 | ad_da | themill: thank you so much :) |
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| 17:23.34 | irqq | babilen: I know, but I have no idea where I could go. It's a server hardware problem so I am touching channels which I think might be dealing with servers, generally. That's why I am here. |
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| 17:26.37 | JordiGH | How do you load a new Emacs Debian package without restarting Emacs? |
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| 17:28.59 | shakaponk | hey guyz, got a fresh debian wheezy with kde installation, but it offers no network manager widget. can't manage my connections and also got no connection. with gnome is fine. what is it? |
| 17:29.40 | JordiGH | Hahaha, googling for this question I came upon the thread in which I had already asked this and had it answered: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!msg/linux.debian.user/oR85aMsPVeo/9C2TDJWrs-4J |
| 17:30.03 | themill | shakaponk: is plasma-widget-networkmanagement installed? Did you add the widget to your UI somewhere? |
| 17:31.10 | shakaponk | themill: yep, it is. did some researches and tried to install all needed things. but maybe lacking anything |
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| 17:31.36 | shakaponk | themill: how can i add it? cant find it in widgets |
| 17:32.07 | themill | It's just called "Network management" |
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| 17:33.00 | shakaponk | themill: aaah, now its here. wasnt there before. thx, i'll try |
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| 17:34.59 | shakaponk | themill: nevermind. it hangs very bad |
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| 17:39.16 | cantoma | hey guys, I have an audio file in a amr format. Does anyone knows how I can play it? I have tried mplayer but without success. |
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| 17:45.11 | Towzzer | cantoma, try vlc |
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| 17:47.46 | aubel | Hi. Sometimes when I use midnight commander and copy files through SSH, it says "Starting linear transfer" and the copying proceeds much faster. Sometimes it doesn't. |
| 17:48.03 | aubel | What determines the transfer mode that will be used by mc? |
| 17:48.24 | cantoma | Towzzer, I have just tried the following website and it worked perfectly http://www.convertfiles.com/ :) |
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| 18:01.43 | boudiccas | Is there a global setting for $EDITOR in wheezy please? I'm trying to use 'wyrd' but $EDITOR is not defined |
| 18:02.24 | dondelelcaro | boudiccas: EDITOR is just a environmental variable. Set it as you please. |
| 18:03.26 | boudiccas | dondelelcaro: thats what i thought, but however i set it its failing to load. |
| 18:04.47 | dondelelcaro | boudiccas: how are you setting it? where are you testing for it to be set? |
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| 18:06.07 | boudiccas | dondelelcaro: i set it as '#set $EDITOR which is otherwise undefined.#SK February 2013. |
| 18:06.08 | boudiccas | set $EDITOR="leafpad" ' and then when u restartwyrd and tries to edt anmything it says that $EDITOR is not defined |
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| 18:06.46 | guardian | hello, is mariadb really a dropin replacement for mysql? as in uninstall mysql-server and install mariadb instead??? |
| 18:07.13 | jordanm | boudiccas, EDITOR=foo |
| 18:07.27 | AimHere | $EDITOR is the value of the variable |
| 18:07.28 | jordanm | boudiccas, no "$" in a variable assignment |
| 18:07.38 | boudiccas | ah, got you, thanks |
| 18:07.53 | jordanm | you also probably want to "export" it |
| 18:07.56 | aubel | guardian: https://kb.askmonty.org/en/mariadb-versus-mysql-compatibility/ |
| 18:08.54 | guardian | aubel: thank you, would you recommend switching? |
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| 18:09.07 | boudiccas | still fails, with thius error message '; wyrd |
| 18:09.07 | boudiccas | Fatal error: exception Failure("Syntax error on line 8 of "/home/boztu/.wyrdrc": Unmatched variable name after "set"")] |
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| 18:09.44 | boudiccas | line 8 is 'set EDITOR="leafpad" ' |
| 18:10.11 | dondelelcaro | boudiccas: well, that has to do with your editor, not with the setting of the EDITOR env variable |
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| 18:10.31 | aubel | guardian: If you need MySQL (that is, can't switch to say... PostgreSQL, MariaDB is a fine choice as it is community-mantained and free. |
| 18:10.36 | boudiccas | ah, so not leafpad then |
| 18:11.03 | guardian | aubel: you mean free for commercial use? compared to mysql |
| 18:11.37 | aubel | guardian: free as in free software (GPL). |
| 18:11.43 | jelly-home | boudiccas: what is wyrd? Do you know where enviroment variables can be set? |
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| 18:12.57 | boudiccas | jelly: - its a ncurses planner. i'm trying to set it in .wyrdrc |
| 18:13.37 | jelly-home | boudiccas: does wyrd explicitely say you can set an env. var. there? |
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| 18:14.18 | boudiccas | if you dont set it then it doesnt operate properly and you cant set certain tasks |
| 18:14.25 | jelly-home | if it doesn't, don't assume it does. Set it for your login shell instead, or as a global value (/etc/environment) |
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| 18:15.04 | jelly-home | enviroment variables are passed onto children processes |
| 18:15.05 | zedboy | boudiccas: that variable should probably be set in .bashrc |
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| 18:16.12 | boudiccas | uf you dont set $EDITOR yolu get this errromessage 'Error when launching editor; configure a different editor in ~/.wyrdrc .' |
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| 18:16.34 | jelly-home | thus, if you're using bash as login shell (default), and you add something like export FOO=bar in ~/.bash_profile, all processes ran from interactive bash sessions will inherit it |
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| 18:18.18 | SuperNull | i have to update/upgrade a server running etch that was installed like .. 2005. uhg. |
| 18:19.08 | jelly-home | boudiccas: if you want to set it in ~/.wyrdrc instead, perhaps the manual for wyrdrc will say what to put in there |
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| 18:20.09 | boudiccas | so what yure saying is that i need to set 'export GEANY=bar' in ~/.bash_profile then? |
| 18:20.12 | zedboy | SuperNull: did that recently. was remarkably painless. |
| 18:20.45 | boudiccas | i couldnt see anything explaining about $EDITOR in the two man pages |
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| 18:22.51 | zedboy | boudiccas: just try putting export EDITOR=vim or whatever in your .bash_profile. |
| 18:23.10 | boudiccas | just about to |
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| 18:30.29 | yeahwhatever | How can I run a script specifically after 10 - 15 seconds after bootup? |
| 18:30.40 | yeahwhatever | Or with a slight delay that is. |
| 18:31.17 | jordanm | at what point do you consider your box "booted"? |
| 18:31.19 | Gargantua | sleep 10s; yourscript; |
| 18:31.28 | Gargantua | At whatever point you're doing it now. |
| 18:31.34 | yeahwhatever | Oh thank you |
| 18:31.50 | jelly-home | yeahwhatever: what is it really you're waiting for? |
| 18:32.04 | jordanm | Gargantua, depending on init system, that could cause booting to block for 10 seconds |
| 18:32.15 | yeahwhatever | Just a network bridge to initialize |
| 18:32.21 | yeahwhatever | And then restarting hostapd |
| 18:32.35 | jordanm | use post-up commands in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 18:32.37 | Gargantua | Usually I do things like (sleep 10s)& in my openbox rc. |
| 18:32.50 | Gargantua | I don't know what he's trying to do, just trying to point him in the right direction |
| 18:32.55 | jordanm | sleep is unreliable |
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| 18:33.19 | yeahwhatever | I use update-rc.d |
| 18:33.31 | yeahwhatever | Is that.. the recommended method, or is there something .. more elegant? |
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| 18:33.55 | jordanm | update-rc.d just manages symlinks |
| 18:34.14 | yeahwhatever | Yes I understand that |
| 18:34.37 | larks | jordanm: how is sleep is unreliable? |
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| 18:35.01 | wjtaylor_ | Can someone explain why I have to partition drives at 2048? If the new drives are 4k sectors and a boot sector only uses 1 sector can't we partition on sector 2? |
| 18:35.26 | jordanm | larks, because it's like a guess. it *should* be done in x seconds does not guarantee that it will be |
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| 18:36.03 | larks | ok, so you mean the usage, not the command. |
| 18:36.38 | jordanm | right |
| 18:37.32 | jordanm | wjtaylor, partition are usually just created to align with cylindrical boundries. default block size for most modern filesystems is 4k. I don't really understand the question |
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| 18:39.08 | wjtaylor_ | jordanm: I was told to start partitioning my drives on sector 2048. This provides 1Mib of space at the beginning of the drive and aligns to the 4k sectors. My question is why do I need all that space at the beginning of a drive? For a boot record? |
| 18:39.13 | jelly-home | wjtaylor_: the answer is "because every other OS does it that way, also 1MiB is a sane ballpark value to align to" |
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| 18:39.45 | markit | hi, samba4 4.0.1 is out since a couple of weeks, weezly has samba4_beta2. Is it going to have at least 4.0.1 or is something will never be included in weezy final? |
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| 18:39.49 | jelly-home | wjtaylor_: some of it gets used by the boot loader |
| 18:40.03 | jordanm | the partition table is stored in that are too, isn't it? |
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| 18:40.07 | markit | ops, wrong channel lol |
| 18:40.40 | jelly-home | wjtaylor_: eg. GRUB2 has to put about 20-30KiB of code somewhere, depending on what modules it needs right away |
| 18:40.49 | jordanm | markit, no new upstream versions during freeze, with *really* good reason (which hardly ever happens) |
| 18:41.06 | jordanm | s/with/without/ |
| 18:41.20 | markit | jordanm: so in weezy samba4 will stay as beta2 forever? |
| 18:41.22 | wjtaylor_ | jelly-home: dardanm: So I have a RAID 5 that has 3 512 sector disks and I need to replace on that failed. Is there a way to do this with a 4k drive of the same size? |
| 18:41.50 | wjtaylor_ | jelly-home: doesn't Grub go to it's own partition (or root patition)? |
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| 18:43.10 | jelly-home | wjtaylor_: if the new drive is larger than the old ones, I recommended aligning any partitions to 4KiB boundaries. Are you, in fact, planning to boot of it or not? |
| 18:43.22 | Gargantua | W: GPG error: http://ftp5.gwdg.de wheezy Release: The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG AED4B06F473041FA Debian Archive Automatic Signing Key (6.0/squeeze) <ftpmaster@debian.org> |
| 18:43.24 | Gargantua | Huh, what's that mean? |
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| 18:44.19 | wjtaylor_ | jelly-home: No, this is STRICTLY a DATA raid. I therefore wanted to partition from 0- end... Your thoughts? |
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| 18:45.24 | jelly-home | wjtaylor_: then you don't have to think about leaving space before the 1st partition |
| 18:45.38 | Gargantua | I'm trying to upgrade from squeeze to wheezy, got that after the apt-get update. |
| 18:45.44 | jelly-home | but you still need to leave _some_ if you need a partition table |
| 18:45.46 | Gargantua | Should I pastebin the sources.list? |
| 18:45.54 | wjtaylor_ | jelly-home: Can I still do this with fdisk? I have been told both yes and no... |
| 18:46.26 | wjtaylor_ | and is the first sector 0 or 1? I thought it was 0, but want to confirm. |
| 18:46.29 | jelly-home | wjtaylor_: it will allow you to do anything in expert mode. I prefer sfdisk and an editor. |
| 18:46.33 | jelly-home | wjtaylor_: 0 |
| 18:46.39 | wjtaylor_ | thx |
| 18:48.11 | korhojoa | that is some exact speccing of the drives if you can't even spare 1MiB |
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| 18:49.19 | jelly-home | wjtaylor_: the easy way of cloning a partition table -> sfdisk -d /dev/sdexistingraidmember > sdq.txt; edit (or not); sfdisk /dev/sdreplacement < sdq.txt |
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| 18:52.41 | wjtaylor_ | jelly-home: nice. Thanks! |
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| 18:56.54 | rypervenche | I'll be updating a server to wheezy today. Anything I need to be aware of or can I still use the instructions that dpkg has? |
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| 18:57.20 | rypervenche | Friend needs java 7 on the server and I feel that this is the best way to go about it. |
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| 18:59.17 | jelly-home | rypervenche: Oracle Java 7? |
| 18:59.36 | rypervenche | I would prefer openJDK. |
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| 19:01.08 | jelly-home | rypervenche: have you tried just installing openjdk-7-jdk (and other openjdk-7-* bits) on squeeze? |
| 19:01.17 | jelly-home | ,v openjdk-7-jdk |
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| 19:01.18 | judd | Package: openjdk-7-jdk on i386 -- wheezy: 7u3-2.1.3-1; sid: 7u3-2.1.4-1; experimental: 7u9-2.3.4-1 |
| 19:01.36 | rypervenche | I didn't see it on squeeze. |
| 19:02.14 | jelly-home | It's not there, you'd have to grab the packages from a newer release. |
| 19:02.27 | jelly-home | takes a quick look at https://security-tracker.debian.org/tracker/source-package/openjdk-7 and shudders |
| 19:02.54 | rypervenche | Hmmm, maybe I'll do that then and see if there aren't too many dependency issues. |
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| 19:07.36 | jelly-home | dunno, I use make-jpkg created debs for (oracle) java 7 on lenny and squeeze and they seem pretty much self-contained |
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| 19:09.03 | cVsup | hi, i have dns round-robin configured in host mail.test.com with two ips. Each ip address is on a different link. My doubt is if one link is down my outlook can send the mail for other ip? |
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| 19:10.14 | jhutchins_wk | Does OpenJava have the same vulnerability that Sun Java had? |
| 19:10.41 | jordanm | ,versions samba4 |
| 19:10.42 | judd | Package: samba4 on i386 -- sid: 4.0.0~beta2+dfsg1-3; wheezy: 4.0.0~beta2+dfsg1-3; experimental: 4.0.0+dfsg1-1 |
| 19:10.49 | jordanm | markit, yes |
| 19:10.50 | korhojoa | anyone using a tiling wm? which one do you use, and could you reccommend me one? |
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| 19:12.48 | drasko | hi all. How to see boot messages on start ? |
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| 19:14.55 | drasko | hi all. How to see boot messages on start ? |
| 19:15.00 | jelly-home | jhutchins_wk: yes. |
| 19:15.23 | wsky | drasko: remove 'quiet' fro /etc/default/grub and run update-grub |
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| 19:16.03 | drasko | wsky, so change : GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="quiet" to : GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="" ? |
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| 19:16.42 | wsky | drasko: remove quiet from GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT variable (leave just ="") and run update-grub |
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| 19:17.31 | drasko | wsky, does Debian have splash ? |
| 19:17.45 | wsky | i think there is splashy in sid or something |
| 19:17.56 | drasko | so wheezy no ? |
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| 19:18.48 | jhutchins_wk | jelly-home: I think Sun has updated the windows java at least to correct it. |
| 19:18.54 | invariant | What's a good 64 bit rescue *CD*? |
| 19:19.01 | drasko | wsky, can this done from GRUB itself ? |
| 19:19.08 | drasko | i.e. for one-time try ? |
| 19:19.25 | wsky | i don't think so, and seems that there is no splashy in sid as well |
| 19:19.42 | wsky | but i'm sure there was something like his in sid some time ago |
| 19:19.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | it's in lenny |
| 19:19.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | judd, versions splashy |
| 19:19.52 | judd | Package: splashy on i386 -- lenny: 0.3.13-3+lenny1 |
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| 19:20.32 | drasko | Can I give this option to GRUB ? |
| 19:20.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | and there's grub2-splashimages — This package contains a collection of splashimages which can be used for GRUB2. |
| 19:20.54 | drasko | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:21.05 | jelly-home | jhutchins_wk: correct which one of dozens of issues? |
| 19:21.29 | wsky | yeah but this is not the same aseyecandy in framebuffer console |
| 19:21.35 | wsky | as eyecandy* |
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| 19:23.23 | Gargantu1 | Crap. I've just ctrl-c'd an aptitude full-upgrade because my wifi disconnected and it hung, now I'm getting a bunch of "No solution found within the allotted time. Try harder? [Y/n]" |
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| 19:23.36 | Gargantu1 | What do I do :s |
| 19:23.44 | drasko | is there enay way to override GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT from GRUB ? |
| 19:23.49 | drasko | *any |
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| 19:24.35 | Gargantu1 | apt-get dist-upgrade seems to be okay... |
| 19:24.53 | Gargantu1 | Hopefully nothing will break. Heh. |
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| 19:25.12 | wsky | drasko: yes, press e before boot on your selected boot option and edit any line you want, then, when you'll be done, press x |
| 19:25.20 | wsky | press ctr+x* |
| 19:26.12 | nyuszika7h | !ping |
| 19:26.13 | dpkg | Sorry nyuszika7h, you're not online. |
| 19:26.15 | nyuszika7h | lol |
| 19:27.13 | drasko | wsky, what do you mean... Just write the new value in GRUb console, writing GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="XYZ" and then continue booting by pressing CTRL+x? |
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| 19:27.21 | SubjectOne | Dqueen123 |
| 19:27.44 | scampbell | Gargantu1: apt is damned resilient. The only one I've seen fail to restart lately was someone killing while updating apt itself. |
| 19:27.44 | SubjectOne | woeps, wrong chan |
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| 19:28.03 | wsky | drasko: no, youhm |
| 19:28.06 | wsky | hm |
| 19:28.46 | scampbell | Gargantu1: and I've been working with custom debian iso's so I've seen -alot- of mistakes along the way. |
| 19:29.17 | wsky | drasko: there should be the 'default' option wirtten in thetre when you edit the selection before boot |
| 19:29.35 | wsky | gosh |
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| 19:31.11 | i5513 | helllo |
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| 19:31.42 | i5513 | where can I find updated doc about gdm3 configuration ? |
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| 19:32.29 | i5513 | I would like to read about [ chooser ] section in daemon.conf |
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| 19:33.57 | nyuszika7h | hi, I know downgrades are not officially supported, but is there any way to downgrade all sid/experimental packages to wheezy without manually going through all of them? |
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| 19:36.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | dpkg, partial downgrade |
| 19:36.13 | dpkg | This may or may not work for you, but if you've got nothing to lose then try it. (a) Change sources.list (b) aptitude update (c) aptitude and then search for the upgraded packages, hit enter on them, select the correct version (d) do the same for libc6 (e) search for broken packages by pressing "b" and then fix them in the same way (f) once you have no more broken packages, hit 'g' See <not available> |
| 19:36.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | I can happily say I never tried that |
| 19:36.35 | nyuszika7h | how do I "search for the upgraded packages"? |
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| 19:39.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | it's talking about the curses interface of aptitude. As I said, haven't tried... but I guess if you remove sid from sources.list, you see in the gui that a version is installed that is not in the currently available repos |
| 19:40.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | yeah, must be... it shows two different version strings for each package |
| 19:40.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | but that also sounds a lot more painful than scripting it in some way |
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| 19:41.08 | Gumby | !nvidia |
| 19:41.09 | dpkg | http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers . Ask me about <nouveau> (open source driver) or <nvidia dkms> (proprietary driver). For GPUs made before 2004, ask me about <nvidia legacy>. Installing directly from nvidia.com (i.e. with <nvidia-installer>) is _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia on irc.freenode.net. |
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| 19:41.27 | ZekeS | dpkg, not available |
| 19:41.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | there's apt-show-versions which tries to figure out which repo a package is from... |
| 19:41.28 | dpkg | To get a list of packages that are not available from any repository in your sources.list: aptitude search '?narrow(?not(?archive("^[^n][^o].*$")),?version(CURRENT))' |
| 19:41.35 | Gumby | !nvidia dkms |
| 19:41.35 | dpkg | For Squeeze users. Ask me about <contrib> and <non-free sources>. «aptitude -r install linux-headers-2.6-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'` nvidia-kernel-dkms && mkdir /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d ; echo -e 'Section "Device"\n\tIdentifier "My GPU"\n\tDriver "nvidia"\nEndSection' > /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-nvidia.conf». Run «update-initramfs -u» and restart your system to enable the <nouveau> blacklist. See <nvidia legacy> for legacy drivers. |
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| 19:43.53 | canvon | CutMeOwnThroat, nyuszika7h: Can't /etc/apt/preferences be used for that? "man apt_preferences" says, it'll downgrade if a package's priority is set to >1000. |
| 19:43.58 | nyuszika7h | ah |
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| 19:44.38 | Gargantu1 | scampbell: honestly, i have no idea what the difference between apt-get and aptitude is |
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| 19:45.38 | nyuszika7h | canvon: "98 not upgraded" with aptitude full-upgrade |
| 19:46.45 | Ristovski | Hello nyuszika7h! we meet again |
| 19:46.50 | nyuszika7h | hai Ristovski |
| 19:47.05 | nyuszika7h | anyone got an idea why is apt-get dist-upgrade removing systemd-sysv even though I held it with aptitude? |
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| 19:47.57 | Ristovski | nyuszika7h: maybe its incompatible? |
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| 19:48.13 | nyuszika7h | with what? |
| 19:48.15 | nyuszika7h | I don't think so |
| 19:48.22 | nyuszika7h | the problem is, sysvinit is an essential package and I removed it |
| 19:48.28 | nyuszika7h | holding systemd-sysv should work according to the wiki |
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| 19:48.35 | Towzzer | is there a good command to extract the value of a " variables = value" |
| 19:48.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | nyuszika7h, sadly, the hold mechanism used with aptitude is ignored by apt-get |
| 19:48.53 | Towzzer | in a configuration file |
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| 19:49.08 | Ristovski | Towzzer: not that I know of |
| 19:49.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | dpkg, hold |
| 19:49.09 | dpkg | hold is a status flag that tells the package manager to not automatically upgrade a package. To hold a package 'echo $package hold|dpkg --set-selections' or 'aptitude hold $package'. Note that "aptitude hold" is ignored by other package managers (i.e. Update Manager, synaptic, apt-get) and aptitude won't necessarily use holds set with dpkg; see Debian bug #137771. |
| 19:49.12 | Ristovski | use sed for that |
| 19:49.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | nyuszika7h, ^^^ |
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| 19:49.19 | nyuszika7h | ok |
| 19:49.25 | nyuszika7h | Towzzer: if you can assume the value doesn't contain '=', cut -d '=' -f1 < file |
| 19:49.31 | NotRistovski | afk |
| 19:49.36 | nyuszika7h | actually |
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| 19:50.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | nyuszika7h, and the dpkg-hold thing... I'm not sure aptitude honors this... should probably have a look and include in the factoid (it seems to suggest right now that it does) |
| 19:51.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh... it does say it... that's bug #137771 |
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| 19:51.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | was a bit hasty |
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| 19:51.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | nyuszika7h, and yes, that sucks |
| 19:51.44 | drasko | hi all, I installed bootlogd, but I can see that /etc/default/bootlogd is missing. Where to look ? |
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| 19:51.49 | johnfg | hi folks |
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| 19:52.43 | johnfg | zykotick9: I may not be around to get it now, depending on when/if you see this, but would you mind letting me see your awesome config file? Unless you just installed stock. |
| 19:53.13 | drasko | hi all, I installed bootlogd, but I can see that /etc/default/bootlogd is missing. Where to look ? |
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| 19:53.23 | Towzzer | thanks yakuza |
| 19:53.53 | nyuszika7h | who is "yakuza"? did you misspell my nick? :P |
| 19:53.57 | nyuszika7h | just call me "nyu" :) |
| 19:54.09 | Towzzer | are you in nyu right now? |
| 19:54.14 | nyuszika7h | no |
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| 19:54.27 | nyuszika7h | I'm not a student of that university nor related to it in any way (btw, I'm 14) |
| 19:54.35 | Towzzer | you seem more mature than me |
| 19:54.36 | Towzzer | and i'm 32 |
| 19:54.42 | nyuszika7h | also, this might be a better solution: awk 'BEGIN { FS="=" } { if ($1 == "something") print $2 }' |
| 19:54.53 | nyuszika7h | awk 'BEGIN { FS="=" } { if ($1 == "something") print $2 }' < file # even |
| 19:55.22 | Towzzer | you are going to make alot of money when you get a job |
| 19:55.29 | Towzzer | you shouldn't even go to college |
| 19:55.33 | Towzzer | it means nothing in IT |
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| 19:57.12 | nyuszika7h | yea, when I get a job somewhen I'll probably get some IT job |
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| 19:57.55 | Towzzer | do the kids at school beat you up and call you nerd ? |
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| 19:58.30 | Seanw95 | Can someone tell me how the windows based installer work? |
| 19:58.39 | Seanw95 | Does it have similar drawbacks to WUBI ? |
| 19:59.35 | Nahledge | my files arent showing up on my usb flash. theyre not gone cuz i can see alor of space is still used on my drive, but its shows up containing nothing. |
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| 20:02.17 | twobitsprite | anyone have any ideas on how one might create a mirror from the RHEL yum repositories in Debian? I know I can use createrepo, the trick is going to be actually downloading the RPMs since the RHEL repos require that you be registered to RHN... |
| 20:02.35 | twobitsprite | (no, I'm not trying to get RHEL for free... we have licenses, etc) |
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| 20:04.47 | jhutchins_wk | Nahledge: What filesystem? What's the structure of the disk? What are you using to copy the files there? What are you using that doesn't see them? |
| 20:05.28 | Nahledge | both naitilus and shell terminal. fat32. nothig is there |
| 20:05.51 | Nahledge | but wuen i check to see disk usage it shows the proper usage amoun |
| 20:05.55 | jhutchins_wk | twobitsprite: You'd have to set up the whole rhnregister thing, then maybe yum. I don't think even a registered system can do curl/wget. |
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| 20:06.18 | jhutchins_wk | twobitsprite: The actual repo structure is all databasey and full of random multi-level directories. |
| 20:06.33 | drasko | hi all, I can see during the boot : Console: switching to colour frame buffer device 160x50 but this does not work often on my PC, leaving me just with the black screen until Gnome starts. Where to look ? |
| 20:06.45 | jhutchins_wk | twobitsprite: We did it for a while with yum downloadonly (on RHEL boxes), but that's not a real mirror. |
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| 20:06.53 | zykotick9 | johnfg: my rc.lua is 95+% stock, so i doubt you'll find anything "interesting" in it. i pasted my current and an older one at http://paste.debian.net/232292/ |
| 20:07.01 | jhutchins_wk | twobitsprite: The only official way to do your own RH mirror is to buy satellite. |
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| 20:08.23 | jhutchins_wk | Nahledge: what structure is fdisk showing? Are you maybe mounting a device instead of a partition, or vice versa? |
| 20:08.33 | johnfg | zykotick9: Thanks. I just wondered about having the various windows tiled, if that's what you call them when they have a border by which you can move them, and some menus. Although I did learn about using the mod key and the mouse. |
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| 20:09.20 | twobitsprite | jhutchins_wk: *grumble grumble* thanks |
| 20:09.20 | jhutchins_wk | !framebuffer |
| 20:09.20 | dpkg | Framebuffer is a region of memory into which "frames" of graphical data are drawn. X is a framebuffer system, as is berlin. If you're looking for the framebuffer console, ask me about <fbcon>, or ask about <blacklist> to negate it. To disable framebuffer use at Debian installation time, supply the "fb=false" (d-i) or "video=vga16:off" (kernel) boot options. See also <uvesafb>. |
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| 20:09.39 | coffeeburrito | On a fresh install of Debian 6, I tried to add a pam_mkhomedir.so line in /etc/pam.d/login, but I can't get it to work. It's like it doesn't even try to make the folder. Anybody know what went wrong? http://paste.debian.net/232294/ |
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| 20:10.11 | jhutchins_wk | drasko: See above. |
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| 20:10.37 | drasko | I am looking... is there any way to disable it in some cfg file ? |
| 20:10.52 | jhutchins_wk | twobitsprite: A real RH repo has ALL of the versions of all the packages, which makes downgrades easy but is a bit of a mess. |
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| 20:11.08 | zykotick9 | johnfg: i think the floating layout is perhaps closest to what you want (ie non-tiled), but it's still not going to have windows decoration/boarders. |
| 20:11.27 | jhutchins_wk | drasko: If one of the boot options works for you, just make that part of the grub config in /etc/default. |
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| 20:13.47 | jhutchins_wk | drasko: You can just blacklist the framebuffer module, but most of the cards that use them also require them to be loaded for the accelerated X driver to work. |
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| 20:15.47 | drasko | jhutchins_wk, what options did you mean ? GRUB_GFXMODE, or something else ? |
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| 20:17.26 | Nahledge | jhutchins_wk, i can write to it just fine. its my previous 4gb of data thats missing. |
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| 20:18.32 | jhutchins_wk | drasko: See the message from dpkg at :09 |
| 20:18.36 | Nahledge | gparted shows a boot flag. not sure if thats new or not. |
| 20:19.06 | twobitsprite | jhutchins_wk: well, we just need the latest... downgrades can be a special case... how messy would it be to get rhn_register working on debian? |
| 20:19.23 | jhutchins_wk | twobitsprite: You would become the expert. |
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| 20:19.41 | Nahledge | fdisk says somethimg about dos cpability mode. and to chamge units to sectors. i do that and nothing happens. upon reboot and fdisk again and i get the exact same flags |
| 20:20.04 | twobitsprite | coffeeburrito: no need to privmsg me, you're allowed to answer questions in the channel |
| 20:20.25 | jhutchins_wk | Nahledge: What makes you think your old data is still there? What have you done other than mess about with fdisk? |
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| 20:20.29 | twobitsprite | jhutchins_wk: great... maybe I'll just server centos RPMs for my RHEL servers :P |
| 20:21.03 | jhutchins_wk | twobitsprite: Supposedly you can mix the two, but why not just use one of your RHEL licenses to build a dedicated repo server? |
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| 20:21.36 | drasko | jhutchins_wk, I saw, but it does not mention any boot options, like you did below... |
| 20:21.42 | Nahledge | it saya my kernsl still uses the old table. somerhung about run partprobe or kpartx |
| 20:21.43 | twobitsprite | jhutchins_wk: I could... but that would be admitting defeat! :P |
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| 20:22.10 | jhutchins_wk | drasko: supply the "fb=false" (d-i) or "video=vga16:off" (kernel) boot options |
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| 20:22.40 | jhutchins_wk | drasko: you can also /msg dpkg <fbcon> or one of the other bracketed terms to learn more. |
| 20:23.18 | jhutchins_wk | drasko: Also, what you want might just be to remove the "quiet" command from the kernel boot options. |
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| 20:24.45 | sim590 | a |
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| 20:27.43 | Guest78703 | Can anything be done to speed up inkscape? It was working fine, but now the text function takes forever |
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| 20:30.09 | TheBondX | can't install Mono-Complete package on Wheezy. http://pastie.org/6081897 anyone can help ? |
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| 20:30.45 | jhutchins_wk | Guest78703: Which release? |
| 20:30.50 | babilen | ,v mono-complete |
| 20:30.52 | judd | Package: mono-complete on i386 -- lenny-backports: 2.6.7-4~bpo50+2; squeeze: 2.6.7-5.1; squeeze-proposed-updates: 2.6.7-5.1; squeeze-security: 2.6.7-5.1; wheezy: 2.10.8.1-5; sid: 2.10.8.1-7 |
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| 20:31.30 | Guest78703 | I installed debian wheezy yesterday. |
| 20:31.32 | babilen | TheBondX: You typically install a package by its name when you use apt-get. Use "apt-get install mono-complete" and read "man apt-get" and "man dpkg" to learn about differences between these two fundamental tools. |
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| 20:31.50 | jhutchins_wk | TheBondX: You're trying to install a package you've already downloaded? From where? |
| 20:32.12 | Guest78703 | jhutchins_wk, I installed wheezy yesterday |
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| 20:32.32 | TheBondX | babilen : first i tried to install it with dpkg, then i got this error. Later i checked packages in Synaptic , i saw mono-complete there and removed |
| 20:33.10 | TheBondX | i downloaded the package from debian.org |
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| 20:33.28 | TheBondX | http://packages.debian.org/wheezy/amd64/mono-complete/download |
| 20:33.45 | babilen | TheBondX: So, what does "apt-get install mono-complete" give you? What about "apt-cache policy ; apt-cache policy mono-complete" ? |
| 20:34.10 | NotRistovski | 1338 users, ya kidding me? |
| 20:34.12 | jhutchins_wk | TheBondX: apt-get and aptitude both assume that they are responsible for downloading the packages and they download them to a specific location, even if they don't install them until later. |
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| 20:35.33 | jhutchins_wk | What error did you get with dpkg? |
| 20:35.36 | TheBondX | jhutchins_wk: how do these installers know where the packages should be downloaded from ? |
| 20:35.37 | jhutchins_wk | TheBondX: ? |
| 20:35.47 | TheBondX | i get the error ... |
| 20:36.01 | jhutchins_wk | TheBondX: Sources are configured in /etc/apt/sources.list and/or /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ |
| 20:36.20 | babilen | dpkg: tell TheBondX -about debian handbook |
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| 20:37.03 | babilen | TheBondX: Please read Chapter 6 in the Debian Handbook -- Could you show us the output of the commands I've just mentioned on http://paste.debian.net please? |
| 20:37.42 | TheBondX | http://pastie.org/6081897 |
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| 20:38.35 | babilen | TheBondX: So, what does "apt-get install mono-complete" give you? What about "apt-cache policy ; apt-cache policy mono-complete" ? |
| 20:38.38 | ChoHag | [How] can I install 64 and 32 bit versions of gcc at the same time? |
| 20:38.40 | babilen | TheBondX: I was referring to ^^^^ |
| 20:38.51 | ChoHag | I trace the dependencies all the way to a conflict with 32/64 bit binutils. |
| 20:38.53 | babilen | dpkg: tell TheBondX -about show sources.list |
| 20:39.02 | babilen | TheBondX: Include your sources.list too |
| 20:39.27 | TheBondX | babilen : i think i edited resources.list i didnt know its used by apt-get |
| 20:39.35 | TheBondX | updating it now one min |
| 20:39.39 | babilen | TheBondX: Well, show us. |
| 20:40.02 | babilen | TheBondX: Just show me the status right now and the output of the commands I mentioned. |
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| 20:40.09 | Guest78703 | jhutchins_wk, Inkscape 0.48.3.1 r9886 (Dec 29 2012) |
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| 20:43.05 | Boohbah | ChoHag: http://wiki.debian.org/Multiarch |
| 20:44.25 | ChoHag | Yeah I know that. |
| 20:44.28 | TheBondX | babilen : http://pastie.org/6082120 |
| 20:44.31 | ChoHag | But gcc specifically has a problem. |
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| 20:45.05 | babilen | ChoHag: It might not be ready yet -- have you checked the BTS? Not everything will work flawlessly multiarch-wise in wheezy |
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| 20:46.09 | babilen | TheBondX: So, please /also/ include "apt-cache policy ; apt-cache policy mono-complete" -- You neither need nor want backports with wheezy btw. |
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| 20:46.34 | babilen | dpkg: tell TheBondX -about make wheezy sources.list |
| 20:47.01 | babilen | TheBondX: Run "apt-get update" after working on that. |
| 20:47.15 | Guest78703 | jhutchins_wk, just in case you forgot , you asked about inkscape version |
| 20:50.05 | TheBondX | ok before update |
| 20:50.20 | TheBondX | shouldn't sources.list contain : |
| 20:50.20 | TheBondX | deb http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian wheezy main ? |
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| 20:50.27 | babilen | TheBondX: Just to clarify: You want something like http://paste.debian.net/232302/ in your /etc/apt/sources.list -- run "apt-get update" after you made changes and you should be able to install "mono-complete" with "apt-get install mono-complete" |
| 20:51.02 | jhutchins_wk | Guest78703: I was actually asking which release you're running, and you did say wheezy, and if the update happened between yesterday and today then there's not likely to be much information about any problems or slowdowns available. Testing is for testing after all, you may have found a bug. |
| 20:51.19 | babilen | TheBondX: You don't necessarily need that mirror, but something like that wouldn't be bad. Take a look at the sources.list I've pasted which makes use of http://http.debian.net for automatic mirror selection. |
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| 20:51.41 | TheBondX | oh miror, got it |
| 20:51.44 | Guest78703 | jhutchins_wk, thanks |
| 20:52.08 | jhutchins_wk | Guest78703: You can try launching inkscape from a console and see what errors it reports as you try to run it. |
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| 20:53.10 | babilen | TheBondX: And I strongly recommend reading http://debian-handbook.info/browse/stable/apt.html |
| 20:53.18 | TheBondX | ok |
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| 20:54.02 | TheBondX | also, does apt-get update download tons of files ? i installed only DVD1 of Wheezy |
| 20:54.15 | TheBondX | and at the moment i only need mono-complete |
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| 20:55.39 | Shadowcat | guys |
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| 20:55.42 | invariant | The wrong root= option is being used during boot which drops me in an initramfs busy box shell. Where do I change this root= option? |
| 20:55.45 | Shadowcat | I have 775 on a directory |
| 20:55.53 | Shadowcat | I'm in the group that has full permissions on the directory |
| 20:55.59 | Shadowcat | I still cannot create files in the dir |
| 20:56.14 | Towzzer | are you sure you are in the group? |
| 20:56.18 | Towzzer | groups <username> |
| 20:56.35 | babilen | TheBondX: It just updates its cache of the packages you /could/ install from the internet. After the upgrade you can install mono-complete with "apt-get install mono-complete" -- you typically don't have to download /anything/ from the internet manually and if you think you do you are most likely doing something wrong. |
| 20:56.38 | invariant | I did grub-install /dev/sda4 root-directory=/mounted which said it installed without any issues. |
| 20:56.57 | babilen | TheBondX: Read the Debian Handbook -- I am sure you understand more about what is going on after that. |
| 20:56.58 | invariant | But somehow there must still be an old references to the wrong UUID. |
| 20:57.10 | Shadowcat | root@minibox0:/mnt/spare0/usr/share# groups shadowcat, shadowcat : shadowcat root |
| 20:57.28 | Shadowcat | drwxrwxr-x 2 root root 4096 Feb 6 21:53 test |
| 20:57.34 | invariant | Also, UUIDs that change unrelated to the hardware is rather bad, but many people have already discovered that before me. |
| 20:57.43 | Shadowcat | if I try to create a directory without being root, it fails |
| 20:57.57 | jhutchins_wk | TheBondX: Most of the modern Linux distributions use a package management system that helps with the use of common shared libraries. If a packages needs some of these libraries that are not installed yet, the package managers typically "resolve the dependencies" and install the necessary components along with the requested package. |
| 20:58.25 | jhutchins_wk | TheBondX: Overall this reduces the amount of downloads necessary, since each package doesn't need a seperate copy of the libraries. |
| 20:58.40 | TheBondX | downloading Mono files, neat ! |
| 20:58.44 | Shadowcat | filesystem is not mounted red only |
| 20:58.59 | jhutchins_wk | TheBondX: Your system should only download the packages necessary to support what you're requesting, although it can be told to install recommended accessories as well. |
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| 20:59.33 | TheBondX | i should have been using linux ! :) |
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| 21:01.21 | TheBondX | btw: Thanks a lot for your help. I will drop by often to this #. |
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| 21:07.04 | TheBondX | babilen : http://paste.debian.net/232314/ |
| 21:07.14 | TheBondX | please check the last lines with Problem : |
| 21:07.14 | invariant | My system is alive again. :) |
| 21:07.39 | invariant | I should have killed ext3 a long time ago. |
| 21:08.10 | jhutchins_wk | TheBondX: Do check out the handbook in the private message from dpkg. |
| 21:08.33 | TheBondX | will do |
| 21:08.43 | invariant | Does Mono even work reliably? |
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| 21:09.02 | zinx | invariant: at running .NET 1.x applications written for Mono, yes. |
| 21:09.04 | kulak | I think of configuring old box as debian for offsite backup. The clients will be several Mac OS X machines. Any recommendations? I also would like to encrypt the content just in case. |
| 21:09.05 | invariant | I can imagine that Java is _way_ more developed on the same platform (Linux). |
| 21:09.24 | zinx | invariant: Mono only supported parts of .NET 2.x last i checked (i'm sure it does more now) |
| 21:09.30 | jhutchins_wk | TheBondX: I think that those errors might be just informational, but it would require someone who knows mono to be sure. |
| 21:09.31 | zinx | invariant: it's always going to be behind. |
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| 21:09.58 | zinx | invariant: a lot of .NET applications also use quite a good number of "pinvoke" calls, which are in wine territory. |
| 21:10.37 | invariant | zinx, what kinds of things do you lose when compared to versions 2,3 and 4.5? |
| 21:10.38 | jhutchins_wk | TheBondX: Many packages will drop files into /usr/share/doc/<package> Occasionally these are very useful, especially ones like README.Debian which say how the package is set up in Debian vs. other distribution methods. |
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| 21:11.33 | zinx | invariant: 2.3? don't know. 4.5? you lose all support, 4.5 is not supported. |
| 21:11.36 | TheBondX | jhutchins_wk: i come from windows, so im very beginner to these commands although being experienced with programming helps. Do you have a regular PDF file for various topics ? Admin handbook can be a little too much for me at this time. |
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| 21:11.46 | invariant | zinx, 2,3. |
| 21:11.50 | invariant | zinx, not 2.3 |
| 21:12.16 | zinx | invariant: ah, 2 and 3 are semi-supported at this point (it's between 2 and 4) |
| 21:12.25 | jhutchins_wk | TheBondX: Exlore the debian wiki and debian web sites in general. I believe there's a FAQ and lots of specific documentation. |
| 21:12.37 | zinx | invariant: http://www.mono-project.com/Compatibility there you go |
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| 21:12.38 | invariant | TheBondX, Google + reading the debian reference manual is useful. |
| 21:12.38 | TheBondX | k thnx |
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| 21:12.55 | jhutchins_wk | !faq |
| 21:12.55 | dpkg | [faq] Frequently Asked Questions. The #debian FAQ is at http://wiki.debian.org/DebianIRC . The Debian GNU/Linux FAQ is at http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ . Ask me about <search dpkg> to search my database for FAQ links. Many other FAQ are listed at http://wiki.debian.org/FAQ . Read the FAQs! |
| 21:13.02 | invariant | TheBondX, you can just skim it, but if you intend to really use Debian (long term), you should read it. |
| 21:13.29 | zinx | invariant: note that pinvoke /can't/ be supported, except via wine or similar, in which case you may as well use wine with actual .NET :/ |
| 21:13.48 | invariant | zinx, what does pinvoke do? |
| 21:14.03 | zinx | invariant: makes platform-specific system calls (almost always win32) |
| 21:14.03 | invariant | zinx, I avoided Microsoft technologies since the early 2000s. |
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| 21:14.43 | jhutchins_wk | ,pciid 10de:03f3 |
| 21:14.44 | judd | [10de:03f3] is 'MCP61 PCI bridge' from 'NVIDIA Corporation' with kernel modules 'nouveau', 'nvidiafb' in squeeze. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=10de:03f3 and the out-of-tree 'snd-hda-intel' module. |
| 21:14.48 | zinx | invariant: i would not personally expect any .NET to run on mono that wasn't explicitly written to run in it. |
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| 21:15.50 | markovh | reckon debian needs a better package/software center for categorising and suggesting packages in layers. There's so many packages i never would have realised exist after years of using debian |
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| 21:16.25 | zinx | markovh: tags are supposed to solve some of that, but i don't know of a good package browser that uses them |
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| 21:16.38 | homes | i find aptitude's search sufficient |
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| 21:16.54 | markovh | but that's if you know the tags |
| 21:17.11 | invariant | markovh, can you name a few? |
| 21:17.15 | markovh | for instance, let's say you start a server, a layered ui that shows different services to consider installing |
| 21:17.16 | zinx | markovh: a good browser would presumably present you with a list of tags :) |
| 21:17.31 | markovh | so for instance, services part... then web servers and listing them all or listing all services that run on port 80 |
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| 21:17.40 | markovh | zinx: list of tags isn't sufficient |
| 21:17.55 | zinx | markovh: web::server |
| 21:18.10 | invariant | zinx, is that already implemented, if so where? |
| 21:18.20 | zinx | invariant: is what already implemented? |
| 21:18.21 | markovh | but you have to actively search for that |
| 21:18.29 | invariant | zinx, web::server searching. |
| 21:18.35 | zinx | invariant: it's already there |
| 21:18.40 | invariant | zinx, in which tool? |
| 21:18.44 | zinx | you have to know the tag currently, because you don't get a list of them |
| 21:19.06 | markovh | for instance, i don't see any suggestioned plugins for simply "enabling decentralised authentication" |
| 21:19.07 | zinx | if you got a list of them, idk what the problem is. |
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| 21:19.46 | TheBondX | invariant : i wanna say bye bye to microsoft to , is there a CPP environment in debian to develop visual programs easily ? I need to create objects of users, encrypt and save to disk, decrypt, load them etc.. |
| 21:19.48 | markovh | or the fact that debian packages actual web applications... and plugins for some of them |
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| 21:20.00 | zinx | markovh: security::authentication |
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| 21:20.35 | markovh | zinx: again, i don't see that being offered in visual layers and again, how many people would know to search for that |
| 21:20.35 | invariant | TheBondX, CPP environment? |
| 21:20.37 | zinx | markovh: *shrug*, like i say, the framework is there, there's not a good browser that i know of. |
| 21:20.42 | DrChill | Hello all, I'm making a debian package and I want to add a menu item, I see the docs on menu.ex, but where should I put menu.ex? |
| 21:20.49 | zinx | markovh: i'm not claiming there's a decent browser for them. |
| 21:20.59 | invariant | TheBondX, are you talking about C++? |
| 21:21.40 | zinx | markovh: only that a suitable framework exists :/ |
| 21:21.49 | zinx | markovh: (rdepends for plugins and such, for example..) |
| 21:21.50 | invariant | I don't have any issues with the current search features and I think it simply takes years to learn the various tools. |
| 21:22.09 | invariant | Lots of tools also don't make sense unless you are a power-user. |
| 21:22.20 | invariant | (which you aren't by definition when you just get started) |
| 21:22.37 | markovh | zinx: would be interesting to look into |
| 21:22.43 | invariant | For example, take a tool like Emacs or vim. |
| 21:22.47 | zinx | markovh: might be a good project if you're in to programming :) |
| 21:23.02 | markovh | i am but i'm afraid i have a number on the buffer to go through before i'd consider it |
| 21:23.10 | invariant | I looked at Emacs a long time ago and rejected it; same for vim. ($TOOL also worked) |
| 21:23.28 | babilen | TheBondX: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=682248 |
| 21:23.36 | babilen | ,v mono-tools |
| 21:23.38 | judd | No package named 'mono-tools' was found in i386. |
| 21:23.50 | invariant | Since I have come to new conclusions, but unless you have a mentor of some kind who guides you the way or simply do the research yourself, it's hard to get convinced. |
| 21:24.04 | babilen | ,v monodoc-browser |
| 21:24.06 | judd | Package: monodoc-browser on i386 -- lenny: 1.9-2; squeeze: 2.6.2-3; sid: 2.10-6; wheezy: 2.10-6 |
| 21:24.31 | invariant | TheBondX, what is a CPP environment? |
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| 21:25.57 | DrChill | c++ environment? |
| 21:26.16 | babilen | TheBondX: I don't have time to investigate this bug in detail right now. From what I can see in the bug report it should have been fixed in the version you installed, but it is obviously not fixed. It shouldn't cause /massive/ problems though. |
| 21:26.55 | invariant | DrChill, I already listed that as my guess. |
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| 21:29.50 | TheBondX | sorry i was afk |
| 21:30.01 | TheBondX | invariant: i meant C++ yeah |
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| 21:30.52 | DrChill | Is there a specific channel for package building/dev questions? |
| 21:31.55 | invariant | TheBondX, qtcreator is a state-of-the-art C++ development environment. |
| 21:32.13 | TheBondX | k will give it a try. |
| 21:32.14 | TheBondX | babilen : last question about sources.list |
| 21:32.24 | invariant | TheBondX, it needs some small getting used to, but it's wicked fast. |
| 21:32.55 | TheBondX | it contains the list of current packages. How to update my box with security updates ? |
| 21:33.04 | DrChill | qtcreator++ using it on current project |
| 21:33.25 | invariant | TheBondX, in the case of qtcreator, don't use the squeeze version if it exists at all. |
| 21:33.38 | invariant | TheBondX, you need to get it from their website; newer is better. |
| 21:33.53 | invariant | TheBondX, these things can be found in the manual. |
| 21:34.03 | invariant | TheBondX, you shouldn't ask everything. |
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| 21:34.56 | TheBondX | :) yeah i better read more, thanks. |
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| 21:36.34 | babilen | TheBondX: security updates are downloaded from security.debian.org (which you ahve in your sources.list) -- You simply update the package cache (apt-get update) and then install updates ("apt-get upgrade" or "apt-get dist-upgrade") -- But /please/ read the Debian handbook. It explains these things. |
| 21:36.51 | DrChill | When building a package, where does the menu/menu.ex file go? |
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| 21:39.09 | roger21 | hey there |
| 21:39.24 | invariant | Also thanks to whoever created the Debian amd64 rescue *CD*. Most distributions went to DVDs only. |
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| 21:40.10 | invariant | It's not free of issues (all kinds of warnings are displayed that shouldn't), but it works for the purpose. |
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| 21:40.36 | roger21 | i put all:all in hosts.deny, it successfully block incomming ssh connection, but does nothing against incomming apache request, what i'm doing wrong? there's nothing in hosts.allow for now) |
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| 21:54.38 | roger21 | ok aparently apache just don't care about hosts.allow/deny |
| 21:54.55 | Sm0ke0ut | probably not much, no |
| 21:55.34 | roger21 | well, is it obvious? |
| 21:55.50 | invariant | Will there any instructions to do a remote distribution upgrade from squeeze to wheezy? |
| 21:56.28 | invariant | roger21, not really. |
| 21:56.43 | invariant | roger21, some tradional systems do use it. |
| 21:56.57 | invariant | roger21, to be sure, do it in a firewall. |
| 21:57.13 | Sm0ke0ut | invariant: it's in the upgrade "manual" of squeeze>wheezy |
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| 21:57.21 | Sm0ke0ut | but in general not recommended |
| 21:57.30 | roger21 | btw can i put a global allow,deny thingy in apache.conf (instead of doing so per directory)? |
| 21:57.46 | invariant | Sm0ke0ut, so, how can I upgrade a machine of which I don't even know where it is? |
| 21:58.04 | roger21 | (i can't use a firewall i'm too dumb) |
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| 21:58.22 | invariant | roger21, try fwbuilder. |
| 21:58.24 | Sm0ke0ut | beside the basic tasks as ensuring backups |
| 21:58.34 | Sm0ke0ut | change /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 21:59.07 | invariant | Sm0ke0ut, I mean that I just want it to come up again after the upgrade. |
| 21:59.19 | Sm0ke0ut | I assume it's a VPS? |
| 21:59.24 | invariant | Sm0ke0ut, yeah |
| 21:59.53 | Sm0ke0ut | Most VPSes have some sort of KVM console :) |
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| 22:01.04 | invariant | Sm0ke0ut, mine doesn't. |
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| 22:01.33 | invariant | Sm0ke0ut, but certainly on virtual hardware I don't expect it to die. |
| 22:02.20 | Sm0ke0ut | yeah. I'm not the person who can guarantee that your machine will come back after doing a upgrade ;-) |
| 22:03.01 | Sm0ke0ut | most of the time I just do change the /etc/apt/sources.list, apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade and do conflict-solving where needed and enter the magic reboot command |
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| 22:08.23 | johndoe | whats the preferred way of installing programs that arent oficially packaged (ie. newer version of a program)? |
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| 22:09.43 | lunatic^ | my middle mouse button is a paste button... how do i change it? |
| 22:09.51 | Sm0ke0ut | johndoe: backports are probably the easiest to use (if exists) else you'll have to build them yourself |
| 22:09.53 | lunatic^ | on gnome |
| 22:09.57 | zinx | lunatic^: what do you want it to be? |
| 22:10.14 | lunatic^ | in firefox to open links in a new tab |
| 22:10.15 | invariant | johndoe, this depends on the program. |
| 22:10.20 | zinx | lunatic^: it does that too. |
| 22:10.30 | lunatic^ | not in iceweasel |
| 22:10.33 | zinx | lunatic^: yes, it does |
| 22:10.46 | zinx | lunatic^: always has :/ |
| 22:10.48 | johndoe | invariant: lua. i want 5.2, 5.0 is the regular one and 5.1 is the backports one :\ |
| 22:10.58 | lunatic^ | hmm ok it does work for the most part |
| 22:11.14 | lunatic^ | but could i change the default behaviour of the middle button? :) |
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| 22:11.52 | invariant | johndoe, you can install a complete chroot, or you can build lua yourself from source (if the right dependencies are there). |
| 22:12.06 | invariant | johndoe, there are more advanced options if not. |
| 22:12.39 | invariant | johndoe, building a backported package doesn't always work for some random reasons. |
| 22:13.06 | TheBondX | invariant: let's say i did : apt-get install package |
| 22:13.06 | TheBondX | then i figured out that i also need to install some suggested packages. should i do again : apt-get install --install-suggest package ? |
| 22:13.36 | invariant | TheBondX, if that's what the manual says, yes. |
| 22:14.03 | TheBondX | ;) |
| 22:14.21 | lunatic^ | in my sources.list, what is the difference between squeeze-updates and squeeze/updates ? |
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| 22:21.30 | Eediot | Hello. How can I bind a command line call to a keyboard shortcut? |
| 22:21.41 | invariant | Eediot, in which DE? |
| 22:22.12 | invariant | Eediot, or do you want to send the keyboard shortcut? |
| 22:23.17 | Eediot | invariant: GNOME |
| 22:25.03 | invariant | Eediot, which way do you want to go? |
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| 22:25.27 | invariant | Eediot, keybinding -> call or call -> keybinding? |
| 22:25.42 | wjtaylor | I accidentally canceled debconf while updating my samba. How do I rerun it? |
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| 22:26.26 | Eediot | invariant: e.g., I hit Alt Shift H and it does "wmctrl foo" |
| 22:27.26 | invariant | Eediot, in squeeze? |
| 22:27.39 | Eediot | invariant: affirmative, debian 6. |
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| 22:28.29 | invariant | Eediot, good question. I don't know. |
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| 22:28.44 | invariant | Eediot, I assume you also searched a bit (like I also did for you). |
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| 22:29.15 | Eediot | invariant: Yes, I found details on how to do it through Compiz, which actually has a detailed facility for it, but I couldn't get it to work. |
| 22:29.19 | invariant | Eediot, perhaps the wayback machine knows if you put in: http://jodrell.net/gnome-hacks/hacks.html?id=14 |
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| 22:29.35 | invariant | Eediot, that URL used to show it in 2003 :) |
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| 22:32.38 | damel | Hey all...I cant get mysql-server to install...it keeps erroring right at the end of the install when the server tries to reboot |
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| 22:33.55 | damel | I have tried everything that I can find online...dpkg --remove, apt-get remove, apt-get perge, reinstallation.. |
| 22:34.00 | damel | nothing seems to work |
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| 22:34.20 | dondelelcaro | damel: you'll have to give us the full output of your dpkg run. |
| 22:34.26 | damel | its a new install of debian, nothing else installed but apache2 and php5 |
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| 22:37.40 | Eediot | invariant: We have liftoff. :) |
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| 22:40.13 | damel | dondelelcaro : http://pastebin.com/8wkJR9Tj |
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| 22:41.44 | damel | dondelelcaro : mysql.err and mysql.log are blank /var/log/mysql has nothing in it |
| 22:42.13 | damel | I dont really get the problem, or how to figure out where to start looking..lol |
| 22:43.38 | dondelelcaro | damel: ok. what type of system is this? "Linux Native AIO interface is not supported on this platform." <-- you really shouldn't be seeing that |
| 22:44.16 | damel | its an android phone..hehe |
| 22:44.20 | damel | my old SGS |
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| 22:44.53 | damel | that I bootstaped and chrooted into |
| 22:44.56 | exiff | hello. |
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| 22:45.14 | dondelelcaro | damel: yeah. you're probably running a kernel which is old. |
| 22:45.14 | damel | everything was going fine before I tryed to install mysql |
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| 22:45.51 | dondelelcaro | damel: you might be able to work around it by setting innodb_use_native_aio=0 in your my.cnf |
| 22:45.55 | exiff | i have installed cd1 and the only internet i have available is a usb dongle, how do i install usb-modeswitch? |
| 22:46.06 | damel | I'm running what ever kernel is in the last nightly of CM10.1 |
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| 22:46.20 | damel | or maybe its a hellybean kernel |
| 22:46.21 | damel | hrm |
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| 22:46.38 | dondelelcaro | damel: dunno, but whatever it is, it should support asyncronous io; that's kind of basic. |
| 22:46.39 | damel | in any event its a new kernel for Android... |
| 22:46.42 | gururui | hi |
| 22:46.46 | gururui | i have a question |
| 22:46.46 | damel | but that might not be new for debian |
| 22:46.54 | gururui | when i install nvidia |
| 22:46.58 | dondelelcaro | damel: right, and who knows what kernel options it has enabled either. |
| 22:47.07 | gururui | it said ./nvidia-installer not found |
| 22:47.08 | gururui | hi |
| 22:47.12 | dondelelcaro | also isn't sure why you're installing mysql-server on a phone, but... |
| 22:47.13 | gururui | who can help me |
| 22:47.22 | damel | LOL |
| 22:47.30 | dondelelcaro | !tell gururui -about nvidia |
| 22:47.35 | damel | because I CAN ;) |
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| 22:49.53 | damel | dondelelcaro : thx for the help :) |
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| 22:50.43 | exiff | any help for installing usb-mode switch? |
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| 23:01.00 | dondelelcaro | exiff: git it from somewhere and install it |
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| 23:01.03 | dondelelcaro | ? |
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| 23:01.15 | dondelelcaro | I don't remember which CD it's on, though |
| 23:01.32 | dondelelcaro | !cd contents |
| 23:01.32 | dpkg | To find out which CD or DVD image contains a particular package or source file, use the search engine at http://cdimage-search.debian.org/ . To see what a specific image contains, examine the package lists within the list-{cd,dvd} subdirectories for the relevant architecture at http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/ (e.g. http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/i386/list-cd/). |
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| 23:06.38 | lunatic^ | is there a reason that there is both an entry called "deb ftp://ftp.ca.debian.org/debian/ squeeze-updates main contrib non-free" as well as an entry called "deb http://security.debian.org/ squeeze/updates main contrib non-free", the only difference being a - and a / ? |
| 23:06.43 | lunatic^ | in sources.list |
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| 23:11.26 | mjuszczak | My server is unresponsive. When I hook up a KVM, I've got a login prompt, and then below that it says: Kernel Alive, mapping tables up to 130000000 @ 8000-e000 |
| 23:11.27 | lunatic^ | Has anyone gotten Steam to work on Debian? |
| 23:11.40 | exiff | dondelelcaro: thank you for the reply. |
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| 23:12.32 | mjuszczak | I can't tell if the server is up and running or if it needs to be rebooted. It was running fine until I tried unmounting an NFS mount. |
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| 23:26.54 | chaoslynx | hi, i just installed debian and my soundcard xonar dg does not work, it shows up in alsamixer but there is no sound |
| 23:27.09 | chaoslynx | what should i do? |
| 23:29.04 | chaoslynx | i did get it to work in archlinux, so i know it is supported in principle |
| 23:29.47 | abrotman | chaoslynx: uname 0r |
| 23:29.48 | jelly-home | chaoslynx: do you know which kernel version did archlinux use? |
| 23:29.50 | abrotman | erm .. uname -r |
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| 23:30.27 | chaoslynx | abrotman: 2.6.32-5-amd64 |
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| 23:31.01 | abrotman | chaoslynx: /msg dpkg bpo |
| 23:31.13 | abrotman | chaoslynx: i'll take a wild stab and say you need a newer kenrel |
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| 23:32.19 | chaoslynx | jelly-home: archlinux always tries to use one of the latest kernels |
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| 23:32.35 | lunatic^ | I downloaded Firefox but it isn't detecting my flash player... |
| 23:32.41 | chaoslynx | dont remember the version but it was around 7 months ago |
| 23:33.33 | abrotman | lunatic^: use iceweasel |
| 23:33.57 | chaoslynx | abrotman: sorry that command does not seem to work |
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| 23:34.13 | chaoslynx | abrotman: kernel version is probably a good idea |
| 23:34.39 | lunatic^ | there are extensions for firefox that don't work with iceweasel |
| 23:34.40 | abrotman | chaoslynx: it's an IRC command, not an OS command |
| 23:34.47 | abrotman | lunatic^: flash isn't one of them |
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| 23:35.08 | abrotman | lunatic^: if you have other issues that need to be addressed, might want to start there? |
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| 23:35.18 | chaoslynx | abrotman: oh right is that someone who knows about kernel versions... |
| 23:35.32 | bernie_ | hellow |
| 23:35.34 | bernie_ | hello |
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| 23:36.00 | lunatic^ | abrotman: i never said flash didn't work in iceweasel, i said there are extensions that don't support iceweasel |
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| 23:36.39 | abrotman | chaoslynx: dpkg is the channel bot |
| 23:36.43 | abrotman | dpkg: tell chaoslynx about bpo |
| 23:36.59 | abrotman | lunatic^: so, where is FF looking for flash? how did you install flash? |
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| 23:37.18 | lunatic^ | i installed flashplugin-nonfree |
| 23:37.23 | chaoslynx | abrotman: a thx i should have guessed that |
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| 23:39.27 | abrotman | lunatic^: what does "ls -l /etc/alternatives/flash-mozilla.so" point at? |
| 23:39.51 | chaoslynx | abrotman: so could i install a newer kernel version via backports? |
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| 23:40.03 | abrotman | chaoslynx: yessir |
| 23:40.08 | abrotman | or ma'am |
| 23:41.04 | chaoslynx | abrotman: ok, i will try that, thanks |
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| 23:41.55 | lunatic^ | points to /usr/lib/flashplugin-nonfree/libflashplayer.so |
| 23:42.36 | abrotman | lunatic^: i'd make a symlink from something like /usr/lib/firefox/plugins/libflashplayer.so to the real .so file |
| 23:42.45 | abrotman | thinks that's the directory where firefox plugins live |
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| 23:46.12 | exiff | So, apparently make isn't on CD1 either.... |
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| 23:50.13 | Cyclohexane | What happens if I configure my computer to use 10.12.1.100/16 when it should be /12? |
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| 23:50.48 | Towzzer | you'll be unable to access certain ports of that network |
| 23:51.02 | Towzzer | the packets will go to the default gateway |
| 23:51.09 | chaoslynx | abrotman: wouldn't it be better if i simply switched to unstable all together? |
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| 23:51.59 | caf | also the broadcast address would be wrong |
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| 23:53.01 | dondelelcaro | wonders who in the world is really using a /12 |
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| 23:53.26 | lunatic^ | hmm it didn't work but i'll try to find the right location |
| 23:54.19 | abrotman | chaoslynx: nope .. |
| 23:54.27 | abrotman | chaoslynx: wheezy maybe |
| 23:54.54 | exiff | is there no other way to get usb-modeswitch other than downloading the rest of the CDs (which i am precisely unable to do at the moment.) |
| 23:55.06 | abrotman | exiff: you can grab it and put it on a usb drive |
| 23:55.33 | exiff | how so abrotman ? |
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| 23:56.25 | abrotman | exiff: packages.debian.org/usb-modeswitch, get the one for your version of Debian |
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| 23:59.20 | exiff | abrotman: i have the debs. how do i install them now? i tried using synaptic with "Add downloaded packages" but nothing happens. |
| 23:59.40 | abrotman | exiff: man dpkg |
