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| 00:01.39 | exiff | i will go and try that. thank you. back later with results . hopefully from debian. |
| 00:03.09 | phatypus | exiff: dpkg -i xyz |
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| 00:04.37 | Konomi | is it the default that other users can traverse and read other /home/users files? |
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| 00:06.05 | dorphalsig | Hello, I'm fighting with LTSP and local printing |
| 00:06.23 | dorphalsig | can any1 give me a hand? |
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| 00:22.03 | gatuno_123 | hi |
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| 00:22.35 | gatuno_123 | I have an extrange bug related to exim4-config |
| 00:22.48 | gatuno_123 | I can't confirm it as a bug, |
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| 00:23.18 | gatuno_123 | I create a special debian package with my special debian exim config |
| 00:23.26 | abrotman | extrange? |
| 00:23.37 | gatuno_123 | the package name is 'exim4-config-gatuno-virtual' |
| 00:23.59 | gatuno_123 | but, when it gets installed along with exim4-base, and exim4-daemon-heavy |
| 00:24.12 | gatuno_123 | it gets configured after exim4-daemon, |
| 00:24.26 | gatuno_123 | which causes to exim4-daemon configure to fail |
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| 00:25.00 | gatuno_123 | is extrange, because it doesn't happen with exim4-config |
| 00:25.06 | themill | switching from other MTAs to exim is known to fail on a configuration loop, yes |
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| 00:25.30 | gatuno_123 | themill: is a new installation with no other mta |
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| 00:26.04 | gatuno_123 | I think that this doesn't happen with exim4-config because exim4-config sorts before exim4-daemon-heavy |
| 00:26.27 | gatuno_123 | and because exim4-config-gatuno-virtual gets after exim4-daemon-heavy |
| 00:26.40 | gatuno_123 | (in dpkg configure phase) |
| 00:27.24 | shakaponk | hola, short question. installed a custom program. unzipped it to opt/appname made symlink, but can't execute. its marked executable in properties. how can i execute it? i know its a dumb/easy question |
| 00:27.35 | abrotman | error? ldd? |
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| 00:28.19 | exiff | well, they can't say i didn't try... |
| 00:29.01 | gatuno_123 | shakaponk: try this on the terminal: /opt/appname |
| 00:29.10 | gatuno_123 | it should show any errors |
| 00:30.01 | shakaponk | gatuno_123: it shows me: no such file or directory. but it is there i can see it in my dolphin |
| 00:30.35 | shakaponk | gatuno_123: it's about firefox got it in /opt/firefox/firefox |
| 00:30.53 | exiff | it installed fine with dpkg but nothing would happen. Thanks for your help in any case abrotman and dondelelcaro . |
| 00:31.18 | gatuno_123 | shakaponk: execute in a terminal ls -l /opt/firefox/firefox |
| 00:31.28 | gatuno_123 | it should show a simple line |
| 00:31.59 | shakaponk | yes it does |
| 00:32.18 | gatuno_123 | file /opt/firefox/firefox |
| 00:32.21 | abrotman | what's wrong with iceweasel ? |
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| 00:33.32 | jelly-home | updates too slow, icon ugly, wrong User-Agent |
| 00:33.40 | gatuno_123 | shakaponk: maybe you should install iceweasel lastest version from backports |
| 00:34.03 | shakaponk | gatuno_123: uh, it shows me ELF 32-bit LSB executable... i guess its the wrong one i'm on a 64 bit system |
| 00:34.22 | gatuno_123 | jelly-home: you can fix the user-agent in about:config |
| 00:34.23 | shakaponk | wait, there is no ff 64 bit |
| 00:34.47 | jelly-home | gatuno_123: I know. |
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| 00:34.57 | gatuno_123 | I still use iceweasel 3.6 with a fake user-agent, and still works in most sites |
| 00:35.16 | gatuno_123 | (except with facebook, in which one, I have no interest) |
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| 00:43.56 | gatuno_123 | well, returning to the bug with exim4-config, |
| 00:44.29 | gatuno_123 | maybe there is a problem with exim-config custom packages |
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| 00:45.52 | gatuno_123 | also, the samples exim-config-medium are a bit outdated... |
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| 00:48.23 | rue_house | anyone know what file I edit to make a computer send its hostname when it gets a dhcp address? |
| 00:49.20 | exiff | if any important debian people are listening, please put usb-modeswitch on CD1 next time. imho, getting online should be the first priority of a newly installed distro.. |
| 00:49.40 | LtL | rue_house: /etc/dhcp/dhclient.conf |
| 00:49.41 | rue_house | send host-name "thunkpad"; < its in /etc/dhcp/dhclient.conf |
| 00:49.47 | rue_house | thanks, almost in time :) |
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| 01:02.09 | chaoslynx | hi, i have two soundcards and apparently udev randomly selects one, so i need to find out how to disable one of them |
| 01:02.12 | rue_house | if I dont have isc-dhcp-client installed, what is doing dhcp on my machine? |
| 01:02.33 | rue_house | chaoslynx, are they both usb sound cards? |
| 01:02.53 | chaoslynx | rue_house: no, one is onboard sound, the other is pci |
| 01:03.09 | rue_house | so go into the bios and turn off the onboard sound |
| 01:03.25 | Dewi | exiff: that sounds like something that would be filed as a bug, but I'm not sure which debian subproject you would do it on |
| 01:03.30 | chaoslynx | rue_house: that is actually the easiest way probably |
| 01:03.33 | rue_house | if your using a card it must be better than the onboard sound, right? |
| 01:03.42 | chaoslynx | it is by a long shot |
| 01:03.52 | rue_house | there ya go :) |
| 01:04.13 | rue_house | there are more complex ways to do it, I dont want to go there |
| 01:04.13 | chaoslynx | but i did not bother to disable onboard sound, because windows somehow knew what to do |
| 01:04.29 | chaoslynx | yes, i read through one of the alsa pages |
| 01:04.45 | chaoslynx | apparently you have to blacklist modules |
| 01:04.49 | chaoslynx | or something |
| 01:04.53 | exiff | is it really a bug though? isn't it just shifting a few packages around in the CDs? |
| 01:05.11 | rue_house | you can tell asla to use the identity to assign a particular device id by having udev rename it |
| 01:05.35 | rue_house | if I dont have isc-dhcp-client installed, what is doing dhcp on my machine? |
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| 01:12.40 | chaoslynx | ok, my bios does not have an option to disable oboard sound |
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| 01:14.21 | chaoslynx | i need a way to prevent that driver from loading |
| 01:15.42 | chaoslynx | i read the article on alsawiki about two soundcards, but i am not sure what the best option is |
| 01:17.20 | chaoslynx | as i explained earlier, udev seems to randomly select one of the alsa modules |
| 01:17.39 | chaoslynx | i want to find out how to fix that in debian |
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| 01:20.30 | chaoslynx | what i need to know is the name of the onboard module, because then i could shift the index, as in alsa-base.conf |
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| 01:26.38 | chaoslynx | apparently it also recognizes the hdmi audio of my graphics card... and that is the default right now... |
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| 01:27.12 | rue_house | yes it does |
| 01:27.28 | chaoslynx | rue_house: so how do i prevent that? |
| 01:27.33 | rue_house | its under something in the right column, not the top 3 rows in the left column |
| 01:27.48 | rue_house | I cant lead you thru the whole mess now |
| 01:28.16 | chaoslynx | ok... it is really annoying though |
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| 01:31.10 | chaoslynx | so is it snd_hda_codec_atihdmi that i need to disable? |
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| 02:36.18 | Walzmyn | I updated to KDE 4.10 and rebooted, now my system is crashing before the login |
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| 02:39.02 | dvs | Walzmyn: Did you use a Debian package? |
| 02:39.23 | Walzmyn | I updated out of the repos |
| 02:39.35 | Walzmyn | dvs: nothing special, just upgraded when the noticed popped up |
| 02:39.55 | Walzmyn | I'm running Kubuntu 12.04 for more info |
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| 02:55.11 | Uuni | this channel is much better than #ubuntu |
| 02:56.20 | peterrooney | Uuni: not if you want help with ubuntu |
| 02:56.33 | Uuni | ubuntu suck though :p |
| 02:56.43 | Uuni | did you know it comes with ads built in? |
| 02:56.48 | Uuni | thats ridiculous! |
| 02:57.02 | dvs | ha! |
| 02:57.15 | peterrooney | Walzmyn: /msg dpkg based on debian |
| 02:57.51 | dvs | Uuni: Are they Microsoft ads? |
| 02:57.56 | Walzmyn | damn quassel. I'm sorry, I was in the wrong channel. I thought I was over on #kubuntu |
| 02:58.03 | Uuni | amazon ads |
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| 03:09.32 | AlexLikeRock | hi, guys i have problems with wine, to print a documents with M$ Office 2007, they dont detec my printers, they are allreadi installed on GNU |
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| 03:14.32 | vt0r | AlexLikeRock: try #winehq |
| 03:15.16 | vt0r | Probably a lot more people in there who can help |
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| 03:18.36 | AlexLikeRock | vt0r, i doit, and no body answer |
| 03:18.59 | AlexLikeRock | i have 20 minuts waiting |
| 03:19.01 | TheBondX | how can i run/open a file with lock icon, as superuser, with mouse click ? |
| 03:19.36 | vt0r | Patience. It's free help offered by people in their spare time. Someone will answer you if they have an idea |
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| 03:20.03 | vt0r | TheBondX: which window manager is that? |
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| 03:20.14 | vt0r | (Gnome, KDE, XFCE, etc?) |
| 03:20.29 | TheBondX | gnome in Wheezy |
| 03:22.41 | TheBondX | well i can open it with mouse-click in gedit, but it opens read only, if i run sudo gedit filename , then i can edit, i don't wanna use terminal for this each time |
| 03:23.41 | vt0r | I'm not sure that's possible, to be honest.. If you plan on opening a file as root, why not just open a new nautilus window as root? |
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| 03:28.06 | AlexLikeRock | TheBondX, of wat program it the icon ? |
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| 03:29.15 | TheBondX | nautilus, ok it solved the problem. |
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| 03:30.07 | TheBondX | also, i opened my irc client from terminal, and when i closed the terminal window, the client also got closed. :/ |
| 03:30.18 | WormFood | Virtual memory is used when a system does not have enough physical memory, yet I've noticed some programs that will alert you, or even refuse to run, if you don't have virtual memory setup. Are there any advantages to having having virtual memory configured, when you have enough ram? "They" suggest having a swap partition/file 2 times larger than the amount of ram you have, so if you have a lot of ram, like 32 gig, they'd suggest a 64 gig partition/swa |
| 03:30.18 | WormFood | p file? That seems rather excessive size for swap. |
| 03:30.31 | WormFood | TheBondX, use screen |
| 03:31.06 | TheBondX | hmm ? |
| 03:31.29 | dvs | WormFood: nowadays, it's recommended to be the same size as RAM for hibernation |
| 03:31.31 | WormFood | when I login via ssh, I just remotely run screen, with the -RD options ;) |
| 03:31.35 | AlexLikeRock | thebondx , dont open you IRC cleint , like root |
| 03:31.43 | AlexLikeRock | its bad :-( |
| 03:32.12 | TheBondX | no, it wasn't root |
| 03:32.15 | WormFood | yeah dvs, theres that too, which I forgot about. |
| 03:32.26 | TheBondX | just a terminal |
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| 03:32.43 | peterrooney | TheBondX: $ ircclient & |
| 03:32.48 | WormFood | yeah, run your irc client in screen, and when you close your terminal, your stuff still runs |
| 03:32.48 | peterrooney | TheBondX: $ disown |
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| 03:33.29 | peterrooney | wants to evade the impending tmux/screen war |
| 03:33.50 | WormFood | or you can use disown -h |
| 03:33.51 | TheBondX | hmm got it , thnx =) |
| 03:34.00 | WormFood | but really....screen is the way to go |
| 03:34.23 | TheBondX | screen : is the terminal without sudo/root ? |
| 03:35.14 | WormFood | screen is a program |
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| 03:35.33 | WormFood | screen - screen manager with VT100/ANSI terminal emulation |
| 03:35.41 | AlexLikeRock | thebondx, ok you can open with "ALT+ F2" any program |
| 03:36.40 | peterrooney | screen manages multiple shell sessions at once, and is not tied to any particular xterm, tty device, or pty device. You "detach" from a running screen session and reattach to it later. |
| 03:37.29 | peterrooney | caveat: screen is usually very unhappy when dealing with either X or dbus sessions changing |
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| 03:39.28 | TheBondX | ok i will try screen, thanks |
| 03:39.46 | WormFood | peterrooney, can you give me an example of when that would happen? I've never had problems with screen, but maybe you're talking about a specific use case I haven't encountered. |
| 03:40.39 | WormFood | I run it on the console, and inside of X11....never tried launching X11 from within a screen session tho |
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| 03:46.37 | WormFood | ok....so if I want to hibernate, I need a swap file at least the size of my ram...and if the ram is totally full, and I'm using swap, and I want to hibernate, then swap would need to be bigger than ram...but as far as Linux goes, there should be no reason to have a swap if there is plenty of ram? That is what I'm thinking. Am I right, or did I forget something else? |
| 03:47.23 | nevyn | hrm |
| 03:47.26 | nevyn | no. |
| 03:47.37 | nevyn | pages are compressed into swap when hibernating |
| 03:47.55 | dvs | WormFood: I don't know about the "using swap if bigger than RAM" part. |
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| 03:49.03 | WormFood | I see it frequently suggested that swap space should be 2X ram size |
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| 03:51.11 | mmnicolas | I thought suspend-to-disk was actually suspending to swap |
| 03:51.34 | mmnicolas | isnt that what hibernating is ? |
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| 03:53.16 | peterrooney | WormFood: I usually run screen from xterm locally, I find that if the X session dies, most audio applications just won't work if launched from within screen |
| 03:53.44 | caf | if you have overcommit disabled then you will want a decent chunk of swap so that large processes can fork/exec |
| 03:54.14 | WormFood | ok. I understand now. I don't think I've had that problem, because I rarely run screen to use it locally. I almost always use it remotely. |
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| 03:55.48 | WormFood | caf, what do you call "large processes"? I'm running 32 gig of ram. My logic is, if anything sucks up ALL of my ram, and needs swap, then it would be a problem. |
| 03:56.13 | WormFood | I mean, if anything actually uses up that much ram, then there is a problem with the program |
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| 03:58.25 | Some_Person | What is most likely the best way to get ZNC 1.0 running on debian stable? |
| 03:58.45 | Some_Person | A lot has changed since 0.092 |
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| 04:00.57 | WormFood | Some_Person, download it, compile it, install it. |
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| 04:03.09 | mmnicolas | Some_Person: if it doesnt depend on anything else, try the .deb from wheezy |
| 04:03.38 | Some_Person | mmnicolas: wheezy has 0.206, also quite old |
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| 04:04.27 | mmnicolas | oh, right, I thought 0.1, experimental has 1.0 |
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| 04:06.12 | Some_Person | I guess I'll just compile from source. Thank you |
| 04:07.51 | mmnicolas | You should try it, if it fails at least you'll have a glimpse of what kind of build dependencies you'll have to face |
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| 04:08.30 | mmnicolas | depending on how it fails, if it does |
| 04:08.37 | problematic | hello, im having trouble starting xinetd |
| 04:08.42 | problematic | anyone can help? |
| 04:09.08 | mmnicolas | not if we don't know what the problem is |
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| 04:09.55 | problematic | well, i dont know whats wrong either.. im trying to setup proftpd and xinetd |
| 04:10.17 | problematic | just installed both.. tried to run xinted.. and nothing happens it says FAILED |
| 04:11.08 | mmnicolas | using squeeze ? |
| 04:11.17 | problematic | yes |
| 04:13.00 | mmnicolas | hold on, I'm installing it just to see |
| 04:13.15 | problematic | ok |
| 04:14.19 | zykotick9 | problematic: 1) ftp use lame (see "/msg dpkg ftpmustdie" for detail) 2) when i did run proftpd years ago, i always used it as a standalone service, why do you want to use xinetd? |
| 04:14.41 | mmnicolas | first thing I noticed, I doesnt depend on xinetd |
| 04:15.00 | zykotick9 | mmnicolas: it can be standalone or xinetd |
| 04:15.25 | mmnicolas | so unless you're already using inetd for something else.. theres no point |
| 04:15.35 | zykotick9 | exactly |
| 04:15.48 | problematic | xinetd i hear saves resources.. i want to run a game server.. just purchased the server.. so i got a blank server.. just installed proftpd to transfer my files over.. and i will only have few connections.. |
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| 04:16.22 | zykotick9 | problematic: check proftpd's config - is it set for xinetd? |
| 04:16.38 | mmnicolas | problematic: that was my second question, is transferring files from you to there the only purpose ? Do you have any special reason to want to use ftp ? |
| 04:16.38 | problematic | oh, i think its set for inetd should i change it? |
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| 04:17.20 | problematic | well, ftp to transfer files, and modify settings install mods etc.. |
| 04:17.44 | zykotick9 | problematic: scp/sftp would be a more secure option |
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| 04:21.19 | mmnicolas | problematic: yes anything else would be better, but it works here, without any inetd |
| 04:22.33 | problematic | ok, also, with SFTP, would admins of my server be able to connect and upload mods etc..? |
| 04:23.02 | mmnicolas | if you create accounts for them and give them the proper rights, yes |
| 04:23.37 | problematic | just wondering, why others use ftp over sftp? if stfp is more secure? |
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| 04:24.43 | mmnicolas | it's mostly because ftp must die, read the ftpmustdie thing zykotick9 pointed out :) |
| 04:25.24 | zykotick9 | problematic: ftp = no security. passwords are all sent in clear text. |
| 04:26.22 | mmnicolas | but let's say you just want a public dump zone, what's a good alternative to anonymous ftp ? |
| 04:27.06 | zykotick9 | mmnicolas: webdav is one alternative (not one i've used however) |
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| 04:27.59 | mmnicolas | isn't that as old as ftp but less supported ? |
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| 04:28.20 | mmnicolas | probably younger but not that much |
| 04:28.41 | leftist | is there anyway i can install debian from a shell on this laptop? |
| 04:29.23 | leftist | i'm currently on ubuntu 10.04 on this laptop and i wnated to just wipe it and install debian over the net |
| 04:29.44 | AlexLikeRock | leftist, you need a DVD or CD of debian |
| 04:29.52 | leftist | yeah |
| 04:29.56 | leftist | i know.. |
| 04:29.58 | leftist | ok t |
| 04:30.00 | leftist | thanks anyway |
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| 04:30.24 | mmnicolas | leftist: did you mean, installing over the running OS ? |
| 04:30.32 | leftist | mmnicolas yes |
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| 04:31.09 | AlexLikeRock | nop, you need boot a CD/ DVD |
| 04:31.27 | mmnicolas | if you have another partition big enough you can spare, you can use debootstrap and boot on it, otherwise I don't there is a safe way to shrink a live ext*fs |
| 04:31.28 | AlexLikeRock | download her ... http://www.debian.org/CD/http-ftp/ |
| 04:31.44 | leftist | yeah |
| 04:31.52 | mmnicolas | leftist: if the medium is the problem, you can use a usb key |
| 04:31.57 | leftist | yeah |
| 04:32.13 | leftist | brb thanks |
| 04:32.22 | leftist | tlet me think about it.. |
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| 04:32.45 | AlexLikeRock | we recomend "Official CD/DVD images of the "testing" distribution " |
| 04:32.51 | xbanux | hey guys...im running debian squeeze with 2.6.32-5-686-bigmem kernel |
| 04:33.17 | xbanux | what will be maximum about RAM my system will be able to detect & use |
| 04:33.22 | leftist | ok thanks guys |
| 04:33.45 | AlexLikeRock | xbanux, on 32 bit 4 GB of RAM |
| 04:33.56 | zykotick9 | xbanux: PAE is a "hack", is there a reason you can't use 64bit? |
| 04:34.03 | AlexLikeRock | xbanux, on 64 bit 8GB of RAM |
| 04:34.20 | AlexLikeRock | or more... on 64 bit |
| 04:34.25 | zykotick9 | AlexLikeRock: neither of your last two statements are accurate... |
| 04:35.19 | vt0r | rsync is another way you can do it, mmnicolas: http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/6508?page=0,0 |
| 04:35.20 | xbanux | zykotick9: currently i cant use a 64bit...but i can convince my team if i have a good reason |
| 04:36.43 | zykotick9 | xbanux: well bigmem/PAE can use more then 4GB system wide, but each application is limited to 3.?GB. there is a small amount of overhead with PAE as well, so native 64bit is faster. |
| 04:36.48 | xbanux | zykotick9: im running debian as a gateway firewall (UTM)...will installing a 64bit OS give me any performance benifits...i know this is a very broad statement |
| 04:36.49 | mmnicolas | vt0r: haha what ?! never would have thought about that |
| 04:37.25 | AlexLikeRock | http://debian-handbook.info/browse/stable/sect.installation-steps.html |
| 04:37.26 | zykotick9 | xbanux: i'm not really sure if routing/firewall will have much benefit to 64bit actually... |
| 04:38.25 | problematic | do i need to install an sftp service? |
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| 04:39.10 | problematic | to use scp/sftp |
| 04:39.25 | zykotick9 | problematic: i believe it's included with the openssh server package - just configuration required i believe. scp is certainly there by default. |
| 04:39.43 | xbanux | zykotick9: my system is also running squid, snort, c-icap server... |
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| 04:40.12 | mmnicolas | problematic: it's probably already there, it ships with ssh |
| 04:40.12 | zykotick9 | xbanux: well, if memory is an issue - i'd stick to my "use 64bit" |
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| 04:40.50 | leftist | i'll be back after this build! cya |
| 04:41.10 | mmnicolas | this build ? I thought he was installing debian |
| 04:41.35 | trist4n | he is also a carpenter |
| 04:41.41 | trist4n | and a kool dood who uses kool komputer words on irc |
| 04:42.01 | KnownSyntax | Lol'd |
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| 04:42.24 | STMelon | bbiab |
| 04:43.02 | xbanux | zykotick9: Thanks for ure suggestions :) |
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| 04:45.31 | alanjf | Does anyone know how exact dpkg/apt/etc compares version strings in packages, like when it checks if a <= or => type version relation in Depends: strings are satisfied? |
| 04:47.43 | mmnicolas | alanjf: well, they are programs, they do what they're told |
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| 04:59.46 | problematic | so i tried connecting through SFTP and i get connection cannot be established |
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| 05:00.36 | mmnicolas | problematic: what are you using to connect ? |
| 05:00.45 | problematic | transmit |
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| 05:03.32 | mmnicolas | thats very strange it doesnt support scp, for sftp you have to enable it in sshd_config |
| 05:03.36 | problematic | i followed this guide http://blog.markvdb.be/2009/01/sftp-on-ubuntu-and-debian-in-9-easy.html |
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| 05:06.39 | alanjf | mmnicolas: I mean what sort of algorithum does it use? How does it know if a version number is actually older or newer? |
| 05:06.39 | mmnicolas | probably simpler to just dig out an scp client for OSX |
| 05:08.00 | alanjf | mmnicolas: Like how does it know 1.50 is newer than 1.6, for example? |
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| 05:10.01 | mmnicolas | because that's how version numbers works ? |
| 05:10.06 | problematic | i also have filezilla but it doesnt support |
| 05:10.13 | mmnicolas | problematic: even using scp ? |
| 05:10.20 | mmnicolas | ah |
| 05:11.01 | alanjf | mmnicolas: But that's not how regular numerical (or textual) sort work. I just want to know what method it's using to determine it. |
| 05:13.20 | alanjf | mmnicolas: For example, given this list of version numbers: 1.50, 1.06, 1.6, the correct order lowest to highest would be 1.06, 1.6, 1.50, but if you ran that list though a standard sort routine, you'd get 1.06, 1.50, 1.6, which is wrong. I just want to know what method deb related programs use to check version relationships. |
| 05:13.30 | alanjf | I don't see anything about it in the docs. |
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| 05:13.36 | mmnicolas | alanjf: knowing they are version number and treating them as such |
| 05:13.39 | zykotick9 | alanjf: can i ask what program has 1.50 as a newer version then 1.6? |
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| 05:17.33 | mmnicolas | zykotick9: that happens, like Gnome 2.6 and 2.30 |
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| 05:19.40 | zykotick9 | mmnicolas: thanks. |
| 05:19.48 | mmnicolas | from 2004 to 2010, wonderful years |
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| 05:21.01 | subguy | Hi |
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| 05:23.09 | problematic | ok so i got it to work |
| 05:23.23 | problematic | but now that i try to make a folder it will not allow me |
| 05:23.26 | problematic | no permissions |
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| 05:24.22 | zykotick9 | problematic: check the permissions of the directory involved |
| 05:24.35 | mmnicolas | problematic: where ? if its outside of his ~ give him perms |
| 05:24.52 | problematic | ok got it i just chown the user folder to the user |
| 05:24.57 | problematic | working now |
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| 05:26.18 | mmnicolas | hope it's still working for the service that use theses files |
| 05:26.50 | mmnicolas | what's that game server exactly ? |
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| 05:28.54 | problematic | battlefield 3 |
| 05:29.28 | mmnicolas | wow ok, I expected minecraft of something |
| 05:29.50 | problematic | oh lol do you guys get a lot of minecraft? |
| 05:29.58 | problematic | i do have a minecraft on a VPS.. |
| 05:30.08 | problematic | but for now it will stay there.. |
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| 05:37.38 | problematic | may be someone can shed some light on this issue too.. everytime i run a screen.. and later come back to it.. the log or console output gets cut to whatever the size of my window is.. and i try scroll up but it will not do.. |
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| 05:39.39 | zykotick9 | problematic: (not an answer to your question) i'd recommend using tmux over screen myself. |
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| 05:40.42 | alanjf | zykotick9: I can't remember off the top of my head but I know I've seen that before in the wild. |
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| 05:41.07 | alanjf | (As a version number for a package.) |
| 05:41.34 | zykotick9 | alanjf: i hear gnome2 did it like that |
| 05:42.03 | alanjf | zykotick9: It's like how Perl 5.10 is newer than 5.8 |
| 05:42.23 | zykotick9 | alanjf: example #2 ;) |
| 05:43.03 | zykotick9 | honestly if version numbers are going to do that, i'd think 5.08 would make more sense |
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| 05:43.47 | alanjf | zykotick9: I agree, but that just isn't always the case in the wild, it's not a perfect world, but it seems dpkg some how knows how to deal with it, and I just to know how it does so. |
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| 05:47.13 | alanjf | Ok I found this, http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/1998/01/msg00580.html, but I'm not sure of how accurate it is. |
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| 05:55.30 | alanjf | Woohoo, http://search.cpan.org/~jkutej/Debian-Dpkg-Version-v1.15.5.6.1/lib/Debian/Dpkg/Version.pm |
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| 06:07.48 | i336_ | hi... I'm interested in installing a distro compatible with an old AMD K6 laptop I have here. it's 333MHz and has 32MB of RAM, and I was wondering if there is a version of debian that will work on that, give me a good basic system in 1GB, and (apart from the 5 sec kernel initialize (ie time to reach "VFS: mounting root") time, do "very little" at boot time and thus boot up quickly? |
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| 06:08.32 | leftist | anyonne had an idea what knotify(2740) KNotify::event: 22 ref= 0 is about? |
| 06:08.49 | leftist | i believe it is associated iwth konversation since i launch it from a shell.. |
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| 06:09.09 | leftist | also i use compiz all the time. does compiz work in debian 6.x? |
| 06:09.15 | leftist | gnome enviornment btw |
| 06:09.38 | leftist | yep it works :D |
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| 06:10.32 | mmnicolas | i336_: i386 |
| 06:11.05 | i336_ | and that will be reasonably fast and provide a good basic system? |
| 06:11.11 | leftist | theres is a ppc port of debian? |
| 06:11.16 | i336_ | s/be/boot/ |
| 06:11.17 | mmnicolas | i336_: depends on what you put in there |
| 06:11.43 | i336_ | well, say I have just the basics needed to run USB and so forth - the normal stuff |
| 06:11.50 | i336_ | that should boot up reasonably fast, yeah? |
| 06:11.57 | ectospasm | "normal" stuff... |
| 06:12.05 | mmnicolas | ..yea |
| 06:12.05 | i336_ | I just have what is probably a wrong impression of debian |
| 06:12.13 | mmnicolas | most likely yes |
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| 06:12.33 | i336_ | the distro I use atm happens to be arch linux which boots up practically nothing at startup, just what's needed to run... then on the other hand ubuntu (...debian) runs 1000 things |
| 06:12.47 | i336_ | I get the impression that's locked down and hardcoded into the initscripts and can't be switched off |
| 06:12.51 | ectospasm | Ubuntu is NOT Debian. |
| 06:12.54 | ectospasm | !ubuntu |
| 06:12.54 | dpkg | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian. Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu on chat.freenode.net instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian> and <ubuntuirc>. |
| 06:13.17 | mmnicolas | i336_: just do a minimal install |
| 06:13.22 | ectospasm | I've gotten an install to be ~200MB |
| 06:13.30 | i336_ | wow, cool |
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| 06:13.47 | ectospasm | granted, there wasn't much on it |
| 06:14.00 | i336_ | mmm |
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| 06:14.37 | i336_ | hm |
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| 06:14.50 | i336_ | is there some kind of document that describes what kind of packages are on what CDs? |
| 06:15.18 | i336_ | I got the impression from somewhere that I have to download like 5 CDs or something for it to install everything it needs |
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| 06:16.04 | mmnicolas | you don't, just get the ~150mb netinstall and you're fine |
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| 06:17.13 | JoeHazzers | how can i grab myself a copy of the "default" /etc/hosts file? |
| 06:18.06 | i336_ | JoeHazzers: 127.0.0.1 localhost |
| 06:18.07 | mmnicolas | JoeHazzers: 127.0.0.1 hostname localhost |
| 06:18.09 | i336_ | JoeHazzers: that's it :P |
| 06:18.10 | i336_ | or that |
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| 06:18.21 | JoeHazzers | what about all the ipv6 stuff? |
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| 06:23.53 | Spliffy666 | This? |
| 06:24.24 | mmnicolas | ..yea, already pasted it in PM to void flooding the channel :P |
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| 06:32.28 | cache_za | What data is needed to file an error/crash report if an Empathy jabber chat room window is crashing? |
| 06:33.39 | mmnicolas | cache_za: "as much as possible", can you reproduce the crash ? |
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| 06:34.04 | problematic | i got a problem now |
| 06:34.18 | problematic | after closing my ssh and my stfp now i cant connect to anything |
| 06:34.31 | problematic | i get permission denied on terminal and SFTP |
| 06:34.48 | cache_za | mmnicolas, haven't been able to reproduce as of yet, but I'll try to figure out when it happens, when it happens again :D |
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| 06:35.18 | ectospasm | cache_za: you should probably run Empathy from a terminal, so any debugging messages can be pasted into your report. |
| 06:36.09 | cache_za | ectospasm, ah, i'll do that |
| 06:36.52 | mmnicolas | cache_za: try to narrow down the conditions required to reproduce it, document the steps to reproduce it, collect program output by launching from a terminal and/or with ">> logfile.log" |
| 06:36.56 | ectospasm | and follow Empathy's instructions for generating a backtrace from any core dumps. |
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| 06:47.34 | problematic | ? |
| 06:47.44 | problematic | anyone? know why i cant connect to SSH now? |
| 06:47.53 | problematic | permission denied |
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| 06:49.18 | i336_ | how do I find out what packages are placed on what CD image in the install CDs? |
| 06:49.41 | i336_ | and, if possible, what general package groups? like, if I want X, what CD do I want? if I want irda stuff, what CD do I want? etc. |
| 06:49.51 | cache_za | problematic, ssh -vvv user@domain output? |
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| 06:50.12 | mmnicolas | i336_: why again ? you understand you don't have to download multiple discs right ? |
| 06:50.25 | i336_ | mmnicolas: what do you mean? |
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| 06:51.28 | mmnicolas | 01:15 i336_ >> I got the impression from somewhere that I have to download like 5 CDs / 01:16 mmnicolas >> you don't, just get the ~150mb netinstall and you're fine |
| 06:52.02 | ectospasm | i336_: multiple CDs are necessary if you want to install packages with no Internet connection. |
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| 06:53.26 | problematic | cache_za : http://pastie.org/private/iurvpbj0yhnqo6c4i4vnvg |
| 06:53.40 | i336_ | sorry |
| 06:53.44 | i336_ | I never saw that message |
| 06:54.09 | i336_ | but if I get the netinst CD and I have no internet...? that won't work |
| 06:54.23 | i336_ | that laptop doesn't have an ethernet port |
| 06:54.35 | i336_ | I found PLIP but nothing said how fast it was ironically |
| 06:54.41 | i336_ | so I didn't want to make the effort :P |
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| 06:56.56 | problematic | after i enter password i get Permission Denied |
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| 06:59.17 | cache_za | problematic, correct user? correct password? |
| 06:59.22 | problematic | yea |
| 06:59.43 | problematic | been working fine.. if i try my other user.. as soon as i enter password. i get connection terminated by host |
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| 07:04.03 | mmnicolas | i336_: can it boot on usb ? |
| 07:04.18 | i336_ | hands mmnicolas the year 1998 |
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| 07:06.38 | cache_za | problematic, you have no access to server so you cannot check logs? |
| 07:06.39 | mmnicolas | can you get the drive out and plug it into another computer |
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| 07:07.30 | problematic | well i got my window terminal open.. havent closed it yet.. so everything should be in there ... |
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| 07:08.25 | mmnicolas | i336_ |
| 07:08.32 | i336_ | hm? |
| 07:08.33 | alexlist | Hi folks ... returned to Debian packaging after quite a while ... |
| 07:08.36 | i336_ | oh |
| 07:08.47 | i336_ | yea I do have another laptop.... but what if I need to reinstall? |
| 07:08.56 | cache_za | problematic, checking /var/log/auth.log would probably give you an idea, if you can |
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| 07:09.27 | problematic | oh. no i cant access anything.. :( |
| 07:09.44 | mmnicolas | i336_: use debootstrap and continue the setup from your laptop |
| 07:09.55 | i336_ | oh ok |
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| 07:10.10 | i336_ | mmnicolas: my point is, if I have the CDs burnt, I can reinstall if anything goes wrong |
| 07:10.11 | mmnicolas | alexlist: welcome back, what are you packaging ? |
| 07:10.21 | alexlist | question: I've got this bug that I fixed with a proposed patch for dput in debian. |
| 07:10.25 | i336_ | I'm starting to wonder if I shouldn't just install a basic system and get the sourcecode for whatever I want & compile it |
| 07:10.28 | i336_ | lol |
| 07:10.31 | alexlist | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=699946 |
| 07:11.03 | Moult | i336_: sounds like Gentoo |
| 07:11.05 | alexlist | Now what's the best way of also maintaining it in Ubuntu if I don't want to wait for upstream, universe, ... |
| 07:11.21 | i336_ | Moult: lol |
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| 07:11.37 | i336_ | alexlist: replace the google homepage with it :P |
| 07:11.43 | i336_ | hides |
| 07:11.58 | alexlist | mmnicolas: libpostscriptbarcode ;) - for a start ... |
| 07:12.32 | alexlist | i336_: do you have a .dput.cf stanza for google.com to share? ;) |
| 07:12.40 | i336_ | haha |
| 07:12.50 | problematic | How do i get a SSH Key? |
| 07:13.02 | i336_ | by asking its owner nicely |
| 07:13.22 | alexlist | problematic: ssh-keygen -t dsa maybe? |
| 07:13.30 | i336_ | and possibly sending it in the mail if it's an internet thing, since sending a password over the internet is not exactly secure ;P |
| 07:13.37 | problematic | i cant connect the the server. |
| 07:13.43 | problematic | but i was able to connect before |
| 07:13.54 | problematic | i dont know what happened that something changed and now i cant even connect as root |
| 07:14.19 | alexlist | problematic: did you try ssh -v to see where it fails? |
| 07:14.45 | problematic | it doesnt seem to fail heres the output |
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| 07:15.01 | problematic | http://pastie.org/private/iurvpbj0yhnqo6c4i4vnvg#60 |
| 07:15.02 | alexlist | problematic: wanna use pastebin instead? |
| 07:15.34 | mmnicolas | alexlist: can't help you with that, I'm guessing you already asked official people @ oftc ? |
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| 07:15.47 | mmnicolas | im sure they have some tips to give about that |
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| 07:16.16 | alexlist | problematic: well it seems your identity file is not found ... did you try to ls -l that file? |
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| 07:17.30 | alexlist | mmnicolas: oftc? |
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| 07:18.14 | problematic | yes i have the file known_hosts in my ssh folder |
| 07:18.28 | problematic | with some sorft of key.. or long code |
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| 07:19.14 | kulak | Do I really need to download 8 DVDs to get debian installed? I am looking at http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.6/i386/bt-dvd/ I don't use torrent often, so I don't understand why there are 8 files. |
| 07:19.32 | mmnicolas | problematic: why is your /home called.. /Users ?? |
| 07:19.34 | i336_ | kulak: that's everything I think, all 25000 packages. you will NOT need all of them. :P |
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| 07:20.09 | mmnicolas | kulak: ...no, just download the ~150mb netinstall and you'll be fine |
| 07:20.15 | problematic | im using mac |
| 07:20.19 | problematic | thats how it is |
| 07:20.30 | kulak | ok, I will use netinstall then |
| 07:20.31 | mmnicolas | kulak: or click on the green button in the top right corner at debian.org |
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| 07:21.38 | mmnicolas | problematic: oh, forgot about that |
| 07:22.36 | problematic | is there a shortcut to reply to a user? or do i have to type the users name (here in IRC) |
| 07:22.51 | i336_ | problematic: start typing the person's name and hit <tab> |
| 07:23.08 | i336_ | (and keep hitting <tab> if the wrong one shows up) |
| 07:23.09 | problematic | aahh i see. ok thanks |
| 07:23.09 | alanjf | (Don't you just love it when a "top notch" DBA has "DROP DATABASE;<ENTER>" bound to a macro button on his keyboard and accidently wipes the entire database?) |
| 07:23.24 | i336_ | problematic: most smart clients remember the last person you hilighted and put them 1st the next time :P |
| 07:23.35 | i336_ | alanjf: O.O |
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| 07:35.25 | cache_za | alanjf, why on earth would you do that? :D |
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| 07:39.32 | alanjf | cache_za: Not I, a DB at one of my clients just called me and told me what happened today. |
| 07:41.27 | alanjf | s/a DB/a DBA/ |
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| 07:45.31 | ChrisH | alanjf: and now? Time to use the tested recovery procedure? |
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| 07:49.44 | alanjf | ChrisH: Yes we have backups there, I just finished restoring what he wiped. I just can't believe someone would have that as a one press macro on a keyboard with such custom keys. |
| 07:51.12 | cache_za | alanjf, doesn't speed anything up really, typing drop database; is probably just as fast - lesson learned for him i guess :P |
| 07:52.58 | ChrisH | drop database is not a command I would bind to any key. |
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| 07:55.38 | alanjf | ChrisH: Exactly, to me it's just horrifying that anyone, ESPECIALLY the head DBA, would do that. |
| 07:55.51 | alanjf | cache_za: Yep. |
| 07:56.31 | alanjf | (Quite simply, if we didn't have such a good backup setup which I implimented some time ago, he'd be totally fucked.) |
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| 07:58.23 | ChrisH | alanjf: What DB was it? And how do you backup? We might consider moving this to debian-offopic |
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| 08:01.18 | alanjf | ChrisH: Oh nothing, just the DB with all the financial records, transactions, etc. No biggy. |
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| 08:02.02 | alanjf | K. |
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| 08:03.04 | afidegnum | hello, pls can anyone help me to download this module, ? http://drupal.org/sandbox/bradjmsu/1370844 I have problem running git on my windows PC. |
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| 08:06.17 | ChrisH | alanjf: My question was more: Mysql, oracle, postfix |
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| 08:13.20 | mmnicolas | afidegnum: http://drupalcode.org/sandbox/bradjmsu/1370844.git/snapshot/6c3a504b246d169e20cacde86f0fd71a69e27884.tar.gz |
| 08:13.38 | afidegnum | thanks a lot |
| 08:14.51 | mmnicolas | afidegnum: this doesn't to be supported, or has been readded under a new entry, he cleaned up everything in there for "See major version branches", see his last commitdiff |
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| 08:15.14 | afidegnum | ok |
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| 08:27.27 | car | hi i need sombody who can take a look at a very little abstract |
| 08:27.28 | car | about ipv6. just making sure the translation from german to |
| 08:27.28 | car | english isnt that bad - if anyone could help please PN to me. |
| 08:28.37 | car | thx. |
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| 08:32.58 | hkm | hi, i'm getting problem with wheezy amd64 in intel core i5, the problem is debian did hangs always |
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| 08:39.10 | bobby_ | folks, I am trying to install syslinux. on my machine sudo apt-get install syslinux says insert disc labeled <label> in drive. |
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| 08:40.24 | bobby_ | Debian GNU/Linux 6.0.6 _Squeeze_ - Official amd64 DVD Binary-1 20120929-16:46 |
| 08:40.25 | mmnicolas | I need to try that |
| 08:40.40 | bobby_ | that's the disk it's looking for. shouldn't it just use a repo? |
| 08:40.43 | mmnicolas | ahh, just edit your /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 08:40.57 | mmnicolas | remove the cd-rom entry, and run aptitude update |
| 08:41.06 | ectospasm | or apt-get update |
| 08:41.39 | ChrisH | hkm: I moved to unstable with my Sandybridge to get a more recent kernel and then its pretty stable. crashed yesterday the first time this year. |
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| 08:42.22 | ectospasm | I haven't had sid crash on me in a while. Maybe a particular program would crash, but not the entire system... |
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| 08:42.43 | hkm | my sistem crash all |
| 08:42.54 | hkm | without sense, and cant join tty |
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| 08:43.24 | hkm | and is not gnome problem, couse i'm using openbox |
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| 08:44.03 | hkm | ChrisH: so u thin unstable will not crash like this? |
| 08:44.11 | ectospasm | hkm: are you running any non-free video drivers? |
| 08:44.44 | hkm | ectospasm: now just have xorg, and i dint install anny other video driver |
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| 08:46.05 | ChrisH | hkm: It did for me. |
| 08:46.07 | hkm | in my gf laptop have 9 problems :S |
| 08:46.20 | hkm | 0 problems |
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| 08:50.15 | leehambley | just for what it's worth, and because the question is too complicated to ask in IRC: http://serverfault.com/questions/476338/debian-squeeze-preseed-installation-the-current-kernel-doesnt-support-the-logi |
| 08:50.33 | leehambley | incase anyone has a minute to help me, I don't often work at this level of abstraction, I'm typically an application developer |
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| 08:57.43 | shomon | hi, I've been trying to mount a cifs windows share on my debian squeeze box, and mount -a gives no error, but the directory is empty... how can I debug that? |
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| 09:00.55 | mmnicolas | what is mount saying about that ? |
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| 09:01.16 | mmnicolas | without arguments |
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| 09:02.40 | ectospasm | shomon: what does mount.cifs say? |
| 09:04.10 | shomon | well mount.cifs doesn't seem to exist :( |
| 09:04.18 | shomon | but I did install cifs as a packagse |
| 09:04.19 | shomon | package |
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| 09:05.47 | shomon | I installed cifs-utils |
| 09:06.01 | shomon | but I can't tell if mount.cifs is in there.. mount -a doesn't complain |
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| 09:12.30 | shomon | ectospasm: do you know what package mount.cifs is in? |
| 09:12.40 | ectospasm | cifs-utils |
| 09:12.45 | shomon | :( |
| 09:12.53 | shomon | well no, it didn't install properly then |
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| 09:13.51 | harski | Where should I set domain name so that it would correctly persist between boots? |
| 09:14.47 | ectospasm | harski: you should be able to set that with "hostname" |
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| 09:15.02 | ectospasm | harski: see "hostname -f" |
| 09:16.11 | shomon | how do you get apt to show what files are installed when you install cifs-utils? |
| 09:16.23 | blubberdiblub | shomon, dpkg -L cifs-utils |
| 09:16.50 | ectospasm | shomon: note that mount.cifs is a superuser utility, in /sbin |
| 09:16.58 | shomon | yeah I just saw that :) |
| 09:17.02 | ectospasm | if you're not root (or /sbin is not in $PATH), it won't work for you. |
| 09:17.09 | shomon | as sudo it's possible to get it. |
| 09:17.16 | ectospasm | there ya go |
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| 09:19.54 | harski | ectospasm: Thanks. Actually $(hostname -f) gives me the correct <hostname>.<domainname>, but what throws me off is $(hostname) returning (none). Is this correct behaviour? |
| 09:19.59 | Slydder | hey all. |
| 09:21.08 | ectospasm | harski: you could run "hostname $hostname" |
| 09:21.24 | ectospasm | you might also want to set up /etc/hosts |
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| 09:24.04 | Slydder | I am currently working on building a package for a ruby on rails application and am getting gem errors regarding missing specification files after installing the package. if I build from source these errors do not come up. any ideas? |
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| 09:25.06 | shomon | try #ruby maybe and pastebin the errors for them? |
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| 09:27.00 | harski | ectospasm: It's the domainname returning (none), not the hostname. And running hostname $hostname wouldn't result in anything that would survive a boot, right? |
| 09:27.31 | ectospasm | harski: try -b or --boot then |
| 09:27.43 | ectospasm | and you can edit /etc/hostname |
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| 09:29.36 | harski | ectospasm: /etc/hostname has the correct hostname (without the domain part), and I have /etc/hosts set up |
| 09:30.01 | ectospasm | what does "hostname -A" give you? |
| 09:30.19 | harski | ectospasm: Blank line |
| 09:30.33 | ectospasm | so do "hostname -f $hostname" |
| 09:30.40 | ectospasm | so do "hostname -f $fqdn" |
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| 09:33.32 | harski | ectospasm: With -f <blah> it actually errors out, but -f I get the correct <hostname>.<domainname> =/ |
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| 09:48.41 | geopack | Hi everyone I'm having issues with graphics card, everytime I try to run google earth it stops on the splash screen, I think it may be related with drivers since glxgears opens a black popup with nothing in it... any help would be greatly appreciated (the Gcard is an ATI RV370) |
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| 09:50.17 | ectospasm | geopack: which driver do you have installed? The radeon driver is open source, and may not work. fglrx may not work, for other reasons... |
| 09:50.36 | geopack | I'm no expert I think it's the open source ones |
| 09:50.52 | geopack | fglrx |
| 09:51.48 | geopack | glxinfo -> direct-rendering: yes |
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| 09:52.11 | Ankur_Agarwal | hi |
| 09:52.28 | Ankur_Agarwal | i am trying to create debian package using git-buildpackage |
| 09:52.35 | geopack | I tried to install the latest AMD drivers but it says that it's not supported |
| 09:53.04 | Ankur_Agarwal | but i am getting this error |
| 09:53.05 | Ankur_Agarwal | Base directory /var/cache/pbuilder/base.cow does not exist |
| 09:53.05 | Ankur_Agarwal | gbp:error: git-pbuilder returned 1 |
| 09:53.05 | Ankur_Agarwal | gbp:error: Couldn't run 'git-pbuilder pristine-tar' |
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| 09:53.42 | jelly | dpkg, tell ankur_agarwal about paste |
| 09:53.47 | geopack | ectospasm, is there a fix for this ? |
| 09:54.14 | ectospasm | I dunno, I avoid AMD/ATi cards like the plague. |
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| 09:58.58 | Ankur_Agarwal | i have added log at http://pastebin.com/S0KNzJez. please help |
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| 10:02.21 | claint | Ankur_Agarwal: what are you actually building? |
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| 10:02.35 | Ankur_Agarwal | gst-plugins-base |
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| 10:03.08 | Ankur_Agarwal | actually i want to build some debian packages that are based on git-buildpackage |
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| 10:03.21 | themill | Ankur_Agarwal: looks a lot like a question for #ubuntu at the moment |
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| 10:03.41 | Ankur_Agarwal | ok thanks |
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| 10:07.43 | raz | is there a tool in the apt* family that will output the data in machine readable form? |
| 10:08.00 | raz | it's a little bit frustrating that apt-cache, dpkg -s etc. all output wildly different formats |
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| 10:11.56 | claint | What do you mean by machine readable? All data is machine readable if it is "regular". And perhaps you maybe looking for something like apt-file to do what you want. |
| 10:12.25 | raz | well, basically i'm looking for a good way to check whether an update is available for a particular package |
| 10:12.57 | raz | ideally i'd like all available metadata in a parseable format (including all available versions, sources, preferred version etc.) |
| 10:13.09 | raz | looks like i have to stitch it together from various commands and formats |
| 10:14.08 | claint | when I look at your problem from reverse, maybe you don't want particular packages to be updated? |
| 10:14.23 | raz | no, i just want the information as described :) |
| 10:14.32 | raz | (this is for a configuration management system) |
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| 10:15.24 | raz | the apt providers in chef, puppet etc. are quite terrible (don't deal with conflicts, custom sources etc.), i'm seeing if there's a way to improve |
| 10:16.27 | blubberdiblub | raz, the output of apt-cache policy does look like it wouldn't be too hard to parse it by a script |
| 10:16.42 | raz | blubberdiblub: yup, that's what everyone seems to use (and what i will probably use) |
| 10:17.23 | blubberdiblub | i even made a little poor-man's dependency resolver for a build script of mine using the output of apt-cache |
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| 10:18.18 | raz | in particular 'apt-cache policy' seems to contain most of what i want, i'm just not sure how to interpret the version table at the bottom |
| 10:19.23 | blubberdiblub | the stars indicate the installed version. the numbers in front of the indented lines indicate the pinning priority of that particular package source |
| 10:19.45 | blubberdiblub | /var/lib/dpkg/status is the currently installed one |
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| 10:19.48 | raz | hm yea makes sense |
| 10:19.56 | raz | it doesn't show all available versions though, does it? |
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| 10:20.15 | raz | does apt even have the information or does it only track the installed and "latest available" versions? |
| 10:20.20 | raz | s/the/that/ |
| 10:20.23 | blubberdiblub | it shows all versions that are available for your with your particular sources.list |
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| 10:20.31 | buscon | hi |
| 10:20.41 | buscon | what's a good alternative to truecrypt? |
| 10:20.48 | raz | blubberdiblub: but only the respective newest version it seems? |
| 10:21.21 | raz | at least i can't seem to find a package right now that shows more than 2 versions in the table |
| 10:21.26 | blubberdiblub | raz, no, it shows all versions available (downloadable) according to your sources.list since your last aptitude update |
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| 10:22.25 | raz | blubberdiblub: hmm. any idea which package would show me more than two versions there? |
| 10:22.35 | raz | tries random pkg names |
| 10:22.36 | blubberdiblub | raz, that's because old versions usually aren't kept around in a particular repository. if you use pinning and have several repositories (like squeeze, wheezy, sid) at the same time, you see multiple versions available |
| 10:23.04 | raz | ah! |
| 10:23.06 | raz | ok that makes sense |
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| 10:23.45 | blubberdiblub | and you also see multiple versions when there is a newer version of a package available but you haven't upgraded that package yet |
| 10:23.59 | raz | yup, that's what i'm seeing |
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| 10:25.50 | musca | !luks |
| 10:25.50 | dpkg | Linux Unified Key Setup (LUKS) is a disk encryption specification with a platform-independent format. http://code.google.com/p/cryptsetup/ . To access on Microsoft Windows systems, see http://freeotfe.org/ and <ext2read>. |
| 10:26.05 | musca | ^ buscon |
| 10:26.14 | raz | blubberdiblub: thanks, i think can work from here :) |
| 10:26.30 | blubberdiblub | raz, you're welcome :) |
| 10:26.33 | buscon | musca, thx :) |
| 10:26.45 | raz | buscon: i use encfs (directory based, not the same thing, but may also be an option) |
| 10:27.17 | raz | it also used to be fairly easy to make a crypto container with losetup |
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| 10:28.18 | raz | (if you google for loopback crypto you can find info about that, it used to be simpler than luks) |
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| 10:28.25 | buscon | raz, ok, i'll look into it |
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| 10:30.44 | buscon | thx |
| 10:31.05 | blubberdiblub | luks is not that hard to set up, tho. and you can have 8 keys alternative keys per encrypted volume |
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| 10:38.34 | grn | hi! I'm building my own package .deb with dpkg-buildpackage and I'd like it to put the output in the current working directory not in the parent. How can I do that? |
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| 10:57.14 | Ankur_Agarwal | when i tried sudo cowbuilder --create. I got error. The log of this error is at http://pastebin.com/8rM4bMrg. Please help |
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| 10:59.36 | themill | Ankur_Agarwal: that *still* looks like a question for #ubuntu |
| 11:00.05 | Ankur_Agarwal | i asked there bt they pointed me to debian again |
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| 11:01.08 | themill | that is most definitely not a debian problem |
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| 11:02.43 | sacredchao | Is there a way to "refresh" the USB detection system in Linux without rebooting? |
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| 11:21.16 | SEVEN | is there a way to find out whether aptitude actually uses the proxy set within the environment variable `http_proxy' ? |
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| 11:28.47 | themill | SEVEN: it does. |
| 11:29.04 | SEVEN | would you please be so nice and tell me ;) |
| 11:29.32 | caf | you could run netstat while aptitude is accessing the network |
| 11:30.03 | caf | you're probably better off putting a Acquire::http::Proxy setting in /etc/apt.conf though |
| 11:30.05 | wsky | or iotop |
| 11:30.16 | wsky | iftop* |
| 11:30.22 | wsky | or wireshark |
| 11:30.27 | mwargh | SEVEN: tcpdump |
| 11:30.31 | wsky | or tcpdump |
| 11:31.25 | mwargh | tcpdump better for this |
| 11:31.27 | ectospasm | tshark! |
| 11:31.34 | themill | apt-config dump|grep Proxy |
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| 11:32.07 | themill | (no, that only shows the config file, not environment) |
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| 11:35.19 | buscon | raz, encfs is great, exactly what I need, thanks! |
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| 11:37.25 | SEVEN | I so far have tested netstat and iotop and they both don't seem to show me the route aptitude is using |
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| 11:39.19 | mwargh | tcpdump tcp and port 80 |
| 11:39.23 | themill | SEVEN: netstat will show you the machine that is being contacted; this is either your proxy or it is not. |
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| 11:39.39 | r4co0n | Hello. I just noticed that my arno-iptables-firewall, setup via debconf to do nating, doesn't seem to masquerade every IP from the internal interface, there are a few (maybe 1 of 100) connections that show the internal ip (thats to be hidden). I attach a part of the iptables output for POSTROUTING: http://paste.debian.net/hidden/a7abce81/ How should I proceed? |
| 11:39.50 | SEVEN | themill: when called without options? (netstat) |
| 11:40.02 | mwargh | or is it 443? |
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| 11:41.59 | mwargh | SEVEN: even better, run 'tcpdump tcp and not port 22' in one console and run aptitude update in another |
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| 11:43.47 | mwargh | assuming you connect to the box through ssh |
| 11:43.58 | mwargh | and not much else traffic is going on |
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| 11:54.53 | namoamitabuddha | I have a strange problem. |
| 11:55.11 | namoamitabuddha | `espeak hello` doesn't work. |
| 11:55.23 | namoamitabuddha | But if I open pavucontrol, it works. |
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| 12:19.02 | babilen | SPF: Are you using Debian or Raspbian? Are you aware of #raspberrypi and #raspbian? |
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| 12:22.01 | tgs3 | babilen: btw do you know if regular debian works well on rasbery? |
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| 12:23.50 | tgs3 | can I create debian repo / packages that will require 3 separate signatures before being considered valid? |
| 12:23.55 | SPF | babilen: I didnt know, thanks |
| 12:24.17 | babilen | dpkg: tell tgs3 about raspberry pi |
| 12:24.51 | babilen | tgs3: That is more or less what I know about the raspberry pi -- I have one at home, but other things are well .. higher prioritised |
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| 12:27.15 | tgs3 | do we have somehing like rasberypi but more open and debian stable friendly? other SoC? |
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| 12:32.11 | WormFood | is there a tool in debian, that will accept a list of domain names, and give me just the IP addresses? Don't tell me to script the output of nslookup/dig, because I've already done that, but I was thinking MAYBE there is a tool that already exists that did what I needed. |
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| 12:33.53 | themill | WormFood: getent hosts |
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| 12:35.17 | korhojoa | /@+9/=@ 7 |
| 12:35.31 | korhojoa | dammit. |
| 12:35.40 | WormFood | very nice themill. Thanks. I was totally unaware of that command. Now I know ;) |
| 12:35.46 | themill | korhojoa: New UNIX Password: |
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| 12:36.10 | korhojoa | themill: :D |
| 12:37.11 | korhojoa | this is what happens when you don't know what you're sdoing with the keyboard you've been handed |
| 12:37.24 | korhojoa | where did that s come from? |
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| 12:42.14 | ChrisH | WormFood: You can only lookup hostnames, not domainnames. |
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| 12:43.45 | WormFood | right ChrisH ;) I know |
| 12:43.48 | joltcan | WormFood: what ChrisH said, thats not how DNS is designed. A domain name can be tied to one or many hosts, so the IP is attached to the host, not the domain |
| 12:44.01 | WormFood | I'm aware of that, thanks joltcan |
| 12:45.06 | ChrisH | joltcan: <pedantic>Where is the difference between your statement and mine?</pedantic> :) |
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| 12:46.37 | NoWired | Hi |
| 12:47.07 | WormFood | ChrisH, he had to jump in there to show he knows what is going on...a lot of people don't understand dns |
| 12:47.09 | joltcan | ChrisH: I had more details of why? |
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| 12:47.23 | NoWired | I want to install mysql workbench, but I don't have a lot of dependences, can someone tellme a similar program on debian? |
| 12:47.32 | joltcan | ChrisH: either that or I was just redundant :) |
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| 12:50.33 | ChrisH | joltcan: OK. I was just trying to find out what was wrong or incorrect with my statement. |
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| 12:51.01 | honschu | What is a line that is not orthogonal named in english? |
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| 12:52.26 | ChrisH | NoWired: apt-get install mysql-workbench is expected to install all needed dependencies. Or are you asking for something different? I know some of my colleagues use M$ SQL Studio or some SW from Oracle to access MySQL. |
| 12:53.18 | NoWired | ChrisH, I don't find the workbench on the debian repositories |
| 12:53.34 | alfplayer | honschu: there's a channel for math |
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| 12:53.49 | ChrisH | NoWired: 500 http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/ wheezy/main amd64 Packages |
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| 12:55.55 | NoWired | thanks, anyway, i'll try with "mysql-query-browser" |
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| 12:58.41 | leehambley | hi - can anyone point me in the direction of their preferred unattended debian installation method? I've tried instalinux, but their images are currently broken, communicated with the author about that, pending a fix. I've also just read a little about FAI, but it looks like overkill. I just want a way to get an ISO installed to a bare metal box with absolutely no human involvement |
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| 12:59.48 | ChrisH | dpkg: tell leehambley about preseed |
| 12:59.54 | ChrisH | leehambley: just an idea. |
| 13:00.13 | leehambley | I'm familair with preseed, instalinux delivers presseded ISOs |
| 13:00.28 | leehambley | but they're broken at present, owing to a disparity between the netboot kernels, and the modules availalbe on the ftp mirrors |
| 13:00.41 | leehambley | Squeeze 6.0.3 vs. 6.0.6 (latest?) , it seems |
| 13:01.08 | leehambley | so I'm exploring modifying the netinst image, with my own preseed.cfg and figuring out the magical incantations for isolinux.cnf to skip even the boot prompt |
| 13:01.17 | leehambley | would that seem like a sane way to go? |
| 13:01.40 | themill | the business card and netboot stuff is known to be fragile wrt linux-image-$foo name changes |
| 13:02.11 | leehambley | themill: I think that's the problem, the resulting ISO image from instalinux is < 10mb |
| 13:02.22 | leehambley | so I'm assuming it's the absolute smallest ISO that could be made to work |
| 13:02.27 | leehambley | and – thus, fragile as hell |
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| 13:13.55 | ChrisH | Is there any mail-bounce/mail-redirect add-on for Icedove on stable? |
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| 13:27.03 | ChrisH | the ones found on https://addons.mozilla.org/de/thunderbird/ did not work for me |
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| 13:31.09 | babilen | ChrisH: They might work with esr from http://mozilla.debian.net :-? |
| 13:31.12 | themill | ChrisH: would a newer icedove from mozilla.debian.net be of use? |
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| 13:31.39 | themill | (or from squeeze-backports) |
| 13:33.14 | ChrisH | themill: Hmm. maybe I simply wait until we get a new stable and try again then. |
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| 13:39.07 | PeTaz | is debian stable compatible with legacy nvidia official drivers? ubuntu fails to get the right resolution for my CRT and im stuck with 640x480 on my 17 inch CRT display |
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| 13:40.48 | PeTaz | i need to install nvidia specific XORG version? |
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| 13:41.26 | PeTaz | http://packages.debian.org/sid/xserver-xorg-video-nvidia-legacy-173xx |
| 13:42.09 | boudiccas | PeTaz: 'sid' is not part of debian-stable. dont mix and match, you'll end up with problems |
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| 13:43.32 | PeTaz | ubuntu fails to detect the monitor EIDE |
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| 13:43.44 | abrotman | this isn't the Ubuntu support channel .. do you want help with Debian ? |
| 13:43.46 | PeTaz | so i cant change reslolution to a sane level |
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| 13:44.22 | PeTaz | yes im going to install debian |
| 13:44.27 | PeTaz | if it works |
| 13:45.08 | boudiccas | of course it works! 1,300 people in this channel show that it works! |
| 13:45.24 | zykotick9 | PeTaz: if you're looking for legacy nvidia support, i'd suggest trying squeeze (before wheezy) |
| 13:46.06 | PeTaz | could you translate that to testing stable tec? |
| 13:46.27 | abrotman | use squeeze |
| 13:46.32 | abrotman | not stable, not testing .. use squeeze |
| 13:46.39 | zykotick9 | PeTaz: try stable first (if you card worked in ubuntu 10.04, then it should "probably" work in squeeze/stable) |
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| 13:48.00 | zykotick9 | s/you/your/ <- i make that mistake a lot?? |
| 13:49.22 | PeTaz | my card works in 12. but i cant setup the right res after installing the official 3d accelerated driver |
| 13:49.44 | zykotick9 | PeTaz: using nvidia.com will probably break things in Debian too! |
| 13:49.55 | PeTaz | the nvidia setings page were you are supposed to change this dosent laet me |
| 13:50.30 | PeTaz | but i used to have thois working like a charme some years ago |
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| 13:51.00 | julius_ | hi |
| 13:51.48 | zykotick9 | !tell PeTaz about why nvidia-installer sucks |
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| 13:52.42 | PeTaz | zykotick9: thats what im asking about im looking for a distro that still uses the supported XORG server for my card |
| 13:52.44 | julius_ | on my debian server i did run: sysctl -w net.ipv4.ip_forward=1 and iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o eth0 -j MASQUERADE the client can reach the server, the clients dns is set to opendns (208.67.222.222) i can see data coming into the server (tcpdump -i eth0) but the server does not respond...why? |
| 13:52.51 | zykotick9 | PeTaz: do you know what driver 96/173 you need? |
| 13:52.56 | PeTaz | 173 |
| 13:53.09 | zykotick9 | !tell PeTaz about nvidia dkms-173xx |
| 13:53.09 | julius_ | i cant even ping the dns servers ip from the client |
| 13:54.28 | PeTaz | the problem is they invented some automated screen res seting in xorg that relays on EIDE for monitor detection ans my monitor isnt supported |
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| 13:54.56 | PeTaz | i used to edit xorf.conf by hand |
| 13:55.08 | babilen | dpkg: tell PeTaz -about xorg.conf.d |
| 13:55.12 | PeTaz | but now its all blank |
| 13:55.13 | babilen | dpkg: tell PeTaz -about empty xorg.conf |
| 13:55.17 | blubberdiblub | you can still do that if you must |
| 13:55.24 | PeTaz | yes i must |
| 13:55.36 | PeTaz | but i could use a template |
| 13:55.44 | jelly | ,v libreoffice |
| 13:55.45 | judd | Package: libreoffice on i386 -- squeeze-backports: 1:3.4.6-2~bpo60+2; squeeze-backports: 1:3.5.4+dfsg-3~bpo60+2; sid: 1:3.5.4+dfsg-4; wheezy: 1:3.5.4+dfsg-4; experimental: 1:3.6.5-1 |
| 13:55.52 | jelly | where's my 4.0.0.!??!?!?!?!? |
| 13:56.18 | babilen | PeTaz: You can still configure Xorg manually, just use an appropriate section in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/whatever.conf |
| 13:57.01 | PeTaz | but i could use a template for XORG.CONF |
| 13:57.13 | PeTaz | were can i get one? |
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| 13:58.09 | PeTaz | how do i tell xorg wich xorg.conf file to read? |
| 13:58.45 | PeTaz | this stuff used to work out of the box some years ago |
| 13:58.45 | blubberdiblub | it will read all of them under the directory babilen told you |
| 13:59.11 | PeTaz | all of them what if theres confilcting info? |
| 13:59.23 | Ristovski | PeTaz: it reads all files in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/ i think |
| 13:59.46 | blubberdiblub | (as long as they are named appropriately) |
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| 14:00.06 | PeTaz | xorg is crazy |
| 14:00.13 | Ristovski | it is not |
| 14:00.27 | Ristovski | PeTaz: there isnt any "xorg.conf" as there used to be |
| 14:00.47 | Ristovski | there are now more files located in that location (/etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/) |
| 14:01.08 | Ristovski | you can use 'man xorg.conf' for some help |
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| 14:02.33 | blubberdiblub | PeTaz, you'll probably just need the 3 sections that are relevant for you |
| 14:02.55 | blubberdiblub | Screen, Monitor and Device |
| 14:03.28 | babilen | PeTaz: And those files are simply read in alphabetic order. (hence the convention to prefix the filename with a number as in 23-screen.conf) |
| 14:03.33 | blubberdiblub | maybe not even Device if you already have an xorg snippet somewhere for your nvidia card |
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| 14:15.26 | iceroot | hi |
| 14:15.56 | iceroot | is Debian GNU/Hurd already ready for virtualbox? after the installation the systems hangs at "Enabling FXSR" and thats it |
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| 14:20.28 | tgs3 | iceroot: tried googling ti? |
| 14:20.30 | tgs3 | it? |
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| 14:22.01 | iceroot | tgs3: yes |
| 14:22.17 | uberdub | any one use qtsixa? |
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| 14:23.15 | iceroot | tgs3: seems like qemu/kvm is the way to go but i am looking for a virtualbox solution |
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| 14:23.37 | uberdub | trying to get qtsixa to build in debian |
| 14:23.56 | uberdub | the ubuntu package is a no go |
| 14:24.39 | zykotick9 | iceroot: last time i tried D-GNU/Hurd failed to install in kvm as well (it worked for me at one time though) |
| 14:25.23 | iceroot | zykotick9: hm ok, the installation is fine on virtualbox but the first boot is failing |
| 14:25.49 | tgs3 | iceroot: sorry I do not know. though we use kvm |
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| 14:25.58 | zykotick9 | iceroot: i don't remember what the issue was - sorry. i just know that i didn't have a GNU/Hurd VM at teh end ;) |
| 14:26.18 | iceroot | maybe i will find another way to have a look at the idea of Hurd |
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| 14:43.15 | elgaton | Hi all, trying to configure Postfix + OpenDKIM. Installed them both, added the relevant configuration options, however the outbound mail is not signed and "warning: connect to Milter service inet:localhost:8891: Network is unreachable" appears in the logs (though the OpenDKIM milter is listening). What could it be? |
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| 14:44.16 | Towzzer | can you do telnet localhost 8891 |
| 14:44.37 | elgaton | Towzzer: yes, it connects |
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| 14:47.02 | elgaton | Towzzer: do you want to see the Postfix configuration files? |
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| 14:55.44 | zykotick9 | having an issue with SDL, "Unable to init SDL: Unable to open mouse" (if application is run as root, it works). someone once pointed me to a debian bug that seemed relevant, but now i'm unable to locate it. so my two part question is: any suggestions for the issue and/or any suggestions on finding the bug. |
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| 14:56.37 | abrotman | use google to find bug?! |
| 14:56.55 | abrotman | zykotick9: permissions on device in /dev/ ? |
| 14:57.19 | zykotick9 | abrotman: well, it's certainly a permission issue... but permission on what? |
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| 14:58.38 | zykotick9 | this issue affects wheezy/sid and i "believe" squeeze as well |
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| 15:14.15 | zykotick9 | abrotman: re:google - (i take no offence, as you don't know me) but prior to asking in channel i certainly searched DDG then Google for the bug - and came up lacking. thus my asking here ;) |
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| 15:29.23 | abrotman | zykotick9: sdl mouse permissions ? |
| 15:29.32 | setrex | is it possible to use the removable flash storage as an apt source? |
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| 15:29.54 | Yeretik | setrex: Of course |
| 15:30.21 | setrex | Yeretik, great. could you point me at how to do it? |
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| 15:30.38 | abrotman | zykotick9: what are your perms on mouse devices? |
| 15:30.56 | _val_ | Hi guys. Running squeeze and trying to add an extra route but failing with the error message: "SIOCADDRT: No such process". The command being used is: route add -net 192.168.100.0 netmask 255.255.255.0 gw 192.168.100.11 |
| 15:31.13 | Yeretik | setrex: deb file:///media/YourFlashStorage stable main contrib non-free |
| 15:31.21 | _val_ | I also appended dev eth0 at the end but seems not to make any difference |
| 15:31.21 | Yeretik | setrex: Is an example |
| 15:31.26 | setrex | Yeretik, great, thank you |
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| 15:32.14 | zykotick9 | abrotman: /dev/input/mouse0 is root:root with crw------- be aware mouse works for everything else, including gpm and Xorg. this is something SDL specific. |
| 15:32.28 | abrotman | zykotick9: strace it out |
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| 15:34.10 | Yeretik | _val_: What device are you trying to add this route ?? You must use "dev" |
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| 15:34.29 | _val_ | Yeretik: let me show you the ifconfig |
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| 15:35.16 | _val_ | Yeretik: http://dpaste.org/P1hS4/ |
| 15:35.23 | setrex | Yeretik, I have a space in the name of my flash storage how would I escape that? do you know? |
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| 15:36.06 | _val_ | I'm trying to add it to eth0 .. but non of would work. Nor does eth1 or ppp0 |
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| 15:37.38 | jhutchins_wk | setrex: doublequotes or \ |
| 15:37.57 | setrex | jhutchins_wk, thank you |
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| 15:40.15 | zykotick9 | abrotman: well, you are right. the strace output ends with /dev/input/mice and /dev/psaux Permission denied errors. |
| 15:41.02 | woonx | Hello |
| 15:41.45 | woonx | I have a problem with network device priorities. I have a headless computer with both wired and wireless connections, but it always uses the wireless by default, which is much slower. How can I change that priority? |
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| 15:43.09 | thyphus | woonx: change your default route to the lan nic/dev |
| 15:43.18 | _val_ | so anyone? |
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| 15:47.09 | abrotman | zykotick9: do i get a cookie? |
| 15:47.16 | woonx | thyphus: how? |
| 15:48.07 | woonx | I can post my /etc/network/interfaces if you want |
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| 15:48.53 | zykotick9 | !abrotman++ |
| 15:49.07 | abrotman | woohoo! more karma |
| 15:49.24 | abrotman | zykotick9: all fixed up ? |
| 15:49.42 | Bsims | anyone know when kde 4.10 will hit sid? |
| 15:49.54 | themill | Bsims: after the rc bugs in wheezy are fixed |
| 15:49.54 | abrotman | Bsims: not soon, wheezy release is the focus |
| 15:50.05 | wsky | Bsims: in few months probably |
| 15:50.10 | wsky | :-( |
| 15:50.19 | themill | (sooner if you help) |
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| 15:50.25 | zykotick9 | abrotman: sorta. i temporarily changed the permission on /dev/input/mice to test, and it works. so know i just need to modify udev rule to make it permanent. researching that. |
| 15:50.27 | wsky | like how |
| 15:50.40 | wsky | except donating lol |
| 15:50.46 | Bsims | fair enough answer |
| 15:51.04 | abrotman | zykotick9: udev rules .. /msg the bot |
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| 15:51.40 | themill | wsky, Bsims: http://udd.debian.org/bugs.cgi?release=wheezy_and_sid&patch=ign&merged=ign&done=ign&fnewerval=7&rc=1&sortby=id&sorto=asc&ctags=1&ctags=1&cdeferred=1 |
| 15:51.55 | zykotick9 | abrotman: thanks again. |
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| 15:56.49 | Bsims | thanks for the link themill opening now |
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| 15:58.29 | mordocai | How can I (for the purpose of a script) determine whether a given package is virtual or not? I have a script that is trying to install all dependencies for a package before installing it with dpkg -i and there is one package that is actually virtual and provided by two different packages. |
| 15:59.08 | mordocai | one dependency of the package* |
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| 16:00.10 | abrotman | mordocai: debtags possibly |
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| 16:02.44 | setrex | So I can't install debian over the net via my wpa2 wifi router? or is this possible? |
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| 16:03.42 | abrotman | setrex: using which ionstaller? |
| 16:04.11 | themill | setrex: squeeze using the kmuto installer (/msg dpkg kmuto) or wheezy using the regular installer or the firmware installer if you need firmware for your wireless |
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| 16:13.41 | setrex | okay, thanks |
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| 16:24.04 | pongeboll | ciao |
| 16:24.17 | pongeboll | !list |
| 16:24.18 | dpkg | pongeboll: Debian è un sistema operativo composto di software libero non quella gratis. Vedi http://www.debian.org/intro/free.it.html per sapere di più. |
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| 16:27.13 | korhojoa | !list |
| 16:27.13 | dpkg | korhojoa: È possibile di scaricare un sacco di software libero puntando il tuo browser a http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/multi-arch/iso-cd/debian-6.0.6-amd64-i386-netinst.iso ! |
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| 16:27.41 | korhojoa | What does !list do then, just send a random message? |
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| 16:29.19 | babilen | korhojoa: It informs our Italian friends how to install Debian or provides links to articles that describe free software. |
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| 16:29.55 | korhojoa | it's always in italian? |
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| 16:30.13 | babilen | points at #debian-offtopic |
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| 16:33.36 | _val_ | guys has anyone an answer to my earlier question? |
| 16:33.55 | _val_ | 16:30 < _val_> Hi guys. Running squeeze and trying to add an extra route but failing with the error message: "SIOCADDRT: No such process". The command being used is: route add -net 192.168.100.0 netmask 255.255.255.0 gw 192.168.100.11 |
| 16:34.12 | _val_ | I've also tried dev eth0 to append to the line. dev eth1 or ppp0 |
| 16:34.15 | _val_ | non of them works. |
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| 16:34.36 | waynr | yo |
| 16:34.36 | ChrisH | _val_: did you pastebin ifconfig -a ; netstat -rnv on paste.debian.net |
| 16:34.43 | waynr | how do i find which package provides a particular file |
| 16:34.56 | ChrisH | waynr: man apt-file |
| 16:34.58 | _val_ | ChrisH: I did ifconfig not netstat |
| 16:35.03 | _val_ | route -n though |
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| 16:36.07 | nkuttler | waynr: /msg dpkg search |
| 16:36.28 | babilen | waynr: (and in particular "/msg dpkg apt-file") |
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| 16:36.39 | pongeboll | !list |
| 16:36.39 | dpkg | pongeboll: vedi http://packages.debian.org/ |
| 16:36.41 | _val_ | ChrisH: http://dpaste.org/zu6mI/ |
| 16:37.15 | waynr | ChrisH nkuttler babilen thanks, this is what i need :D |
| 16:37.16 | _val_ | I read that networking script has some issues.. but not sure about it |
| 16:37.47 | babilen | pongeboll: NO warez here! |
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| 16:38.33 | twobitsprite | anyone know how to online hot-added memory in debian? I've tried echoing 'online' to all the /sys/devices/system/memory/memory*/state files, but they all say invalid argument and I'm not seeing the new memory |
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| 16:39.55 | ChrisH | _val_: This route command does not make sense as there is not extra interface 192.168.100.11; 192.168.100.11 matches default |
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| 16:40.15 | korhojoa | twobitsprite: i don't know if debian uses acpi_memhotplug, but if it does, check if it's loaded |
| 16:40.40 | twobitsprite | korhojoa: I modprobed it, still no joy |
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| 16:40.49 | ZeroBeholder | anyone willing to do an xev in the terminal on their "context menu" button pls... |
| 16:41.02 | korhojoa | twobitsprite: what did it say |
| 16:41.28 | _val_ | ChrisH: eth1 holds the default route |
| 16:41.32 | ZeroBeholder | My thinkpad doesn't have a context menu key and I've finally had enough. Time to remap one of these useless keys for a context menu... |
| 16:41.46 | ZeroBeholder | *context menu button |
| 16:41.50 | _val_ | I want to add a route that goes through 192.168.200.20 > 192.168.100.11 |
| 16:41.51 | korhojoa | ZeroBeholder: what thinkpad? |
| 16:42.02 | twobitsprite | korhojoa: nothing, the module is loaded and I still get invalid argument when trying to online the memory and I'm still not seeing the memory |
| 16:42.07 | ZeroBeholder | core i7 e530 |
| 16:42.15 | ChrisH | _val_: then your syntax is incorrect. |
| 16:42.33 | korhojoa | ZeroBeholder: e <- there's your problem |
| 16:42.49 | _val_ | ChrisH: what should this be? |
| 16:42.56 | nkuttler | ZeroBeholder: keycode 135 (keysym 0xff67, Menu) |
| 16:43.10 | ZeroBeholder | thanks. |
| 16:43.18 | ChrisH | _val_: from my memory: route add 192.168.100.0/24 dev ppp0 |
| 16:43.20 | _val_ | add route default gw 192.168.100.11 via 192.168.200.20 dev eth1? |
| 16:43.41 | schwatvogel | default gw for a specific network? |
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| 16:43.44 | _val_ | ChrisH: syntax error |
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| 16:43.58 | korhojoa | twobitsprite: hmm. what does /proc/meminfo say |
| 16:44.09 | ChrisH | _val_: I still do not understand which network /subnet via which gateway/interface |
| 16:44.29 | korhojoa | twobitsprite: is your extra ram visible somewhere there |
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| 16:44.41 | ZeroBeholder | korhojoa: is there a T, W, or X series that has a 10-key on a 16" lappy? Nope... |
| 16:44.48 | _val_ | ChrisH: I want thrrough eth1 outside |
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| 16:45.08 | ZeroBeholder | I <3 my 10-key. |
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| 16:45.20 | ChrisH | _val_: explain me why eth1 and ppp0 have the same IP |
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| 16:45.27 | ZeroBeholder | nkuttler+ |
| 16:45.34 | _val_ | ChrisH: they don't |
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| 16:45.42 | ZeroBeholder | nkuttler++ |
| 16:45.44 | korhojoa | ZeroBeholder: why do you want a 10-key? besides, 16". ew. |
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| 16:46.12 | _val_ | in this network there are servers starting from 200.20-254... and want to reach 100.10-254.. |
| 16:46.56 | ChrisH | _val_: ack... but in the same subnet... that can be tricky. Please use complete IPs. You want 192.168.100.0/24 via eth1 ? |
| 16:47.06 | ZeroBeholder | korhojoa: That question says we have very different perspectives. Maybe some day you will have neanderthals give you data. Or maybe some day I won't get data from computer illiterates. |
| 16:47.12 | _val_ | ChrisH: yes |
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| 16:47.52 | squidly_ | hi guys ! quick question : do you know how to specify a dependency in a control file with an upper and a lower bondary |
| 16:47.56 | squidly_ | ? |
| 16:47.56 | _val_ | look all servers that are within 200.20-254... should use .200.20 gateway and then go to 192.168.100.11 gateway |
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| 16:48.32 | korhojoa | ZeroBeholder: okay. fair. i've done my share of data input. i'd rather not do that again. |
| 16:48.56 | ChrisH | route add 192.168.100.0/24 gw 192.168.200.20 |
| 16:49.03 | ChrisH | _val_: route add 192.168.100.0/24 gw 192.168.200.20 |
| 16:49.58 | _val_ | ChrisH: hmm.. |
| 16:50.05 | _val_ | does not really work |
| 16:50.18 | ChrisH | !doesnot work |
| 16:50.22 | ChrisH | !doesnotwork |
| 16:50.26 | _val_ | http://dpaste.org/BRRtQ/ |
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| 16:50.35 | _val_ | ChrisH: syntax error. |
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| 16:50.44 | _val_ | it's about the netmask... |
| 16:51.06 | _val_ | or should I use route add 192.168.100.0 netmask 255.255.255.0 gw 192.168.200.20 dev eth1 |
| 16:51.09 | _val_ | ? |
| 16:51.26 | ChrisH | _val_: thats the same... try oute add 192.168.100.1/24 gw 192.168.200.20 |
| 16:51.34 | _val_ | route add -net 192.168.100.0 netmask 255.255.255.0 gw 192.168.200.20 dev eth1 |
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| 16:51.38 | _val_ | this did work though |
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| 16:51.48 | _val_ | ChrisH: probably the -net flag? |
| 16:52.11 | ChrisH | _val_: my next one would have been: route add -net 192.168.100.1/24 gw 192.168.200.20 |
| 16:52.39 | _val_ | ChrisH: but that's not the gw then |
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| 16:52.48 | _val_ | the other gw is 192.168.100.11 |
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| 16:53.48 | _val_ | ChrisH: the same message is returned when using your line. http://dpaste.org/BRRtQ/ |
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| 16:53.57 | Lantizia | hey do the nonfree and contrib packages go on the CD/DVD ISOs? |
| 16:54.02 | ChrisH | _val_: You told me that 192.168.100.1/24 is reachable via 192.168.200.20/eth1 Now its reachable via 192.168.100.11 |
| 16:54.12 | tharkun | _val_: you should firts find out what are the gateways to all your subnets and then what is your default gw |
| 16:55.16 | ChrisH | _val_: run: ip route get 192.168.100.11 and find is rachable via default route, so adding a rout via this router does only make sense in very specific situations |
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| 16:56.52 | _val_ | ChrisH: 192.168.100.11 dev eth1 src 192.168.200.20 |
| 16:56.55 | _val_ | this is returned |
| 16:57.20 | _val_ | but can't ping it |
| 16:57.50 | _val_ | tharkun: 192.168.200.20 is the default gw for the 192.168.200.[20-254] |
| 16:58.45 | _val_ | e.g if a host on my network 192.168.200.0/24 has IP 192.168.200.40 it should be able to ping 192.168.100.11 or other host that's on that network |
| 16:59.23 | ChrisH | _val_: Do you can access to 192.168.100.11 ? Can you check if the route back is setup there? I would recommend you grab a piece of paper, draw your system, the known gateways and IPs and find you what you need. |
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| 17:02.05 | _val_ | ChrisH: allright. Thanks I'll do that. |
| 17:02.15 | _val_ | I'll have to leave now. |
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| 17:02.51 | _val_ | Tomorrow, friday, last day and hopefully best day to solve this route delay :-p |
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| 17:03.23 | _val_ | Thanks for your input. I should put things on paper and see what I come up with. |
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| 17:07.13 | armhn | hi |
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| 17:08.15 | armhn | one question, where can i see whats included in the debian testing dvd.´s. I mean whats on dvd 1, dvd2 .... |
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| 17:11.17 | icesword | japan? |
| 17:11.22 | TuxFighter | Hi, can someone help get the sound running in kde ? (vmware) |
| 17:11.48 | icesword | yes i help you |
| 17:12.12 | TuxFighter | that would be nice |
| 17:12.17 | icesword | how is it |
| 17:12.20 | cerettala | http://pastebin.com/ung0QwCy anyone else having this problem? I ran an apt-get update and it seems like some install script for grub-pc and samba-common are broken |
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| 17:12.42 | TuxFighter | The soundcard is reconigized as Enqoniq ENS1371 but any speaker test fails |
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| 17:13.16 | TuxFighter | as I started KDE for the first time the master was muted, but it was able to unmute |
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| 17:13.26 | icesword | what the hell is that? on board or single? |
| 17:13.42 | TuxFighter | it a soundcard provided by vmware |
| 17:13.56 | TuxFighter | so debian/kde is running a wm |
| 17:13.57 | icesword | funny |
| 17:14.01 | TuxFighter | *vm |
| 17:14.25 | TuxFighter | sound works on a ubuntu/gnome system |
| 17:15.09 | armhn | where can i see whats included in the debian testing dvd.´s. I mean whats on dvd 1, dvd2 .... |
| 17:15.24 | icesword | how did you setup your virtual os? |
| 17:15.47 | TuxFighter | I installed like I would on physical PC via netinst |
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| 17:16.03 | TuxFighter | first the basic system, then kde-core |
| 17:17.02 | icesword | !sound |
| 17:17.02 | dpkg | [sound] Ask me about <alsa>, <install alsa>, <alsa checklist>. See also <default alsa>, <devdsp>, <dmix>, <microphone>, <oss4>, <pulseaudio>. |
| 17:17.04 | TuxFighter | the only difference between the ubuntu vm beside that it is gnome is that I used tasksel to get the desktop |
| 17:17.32 | TuxFighter | so alsa still matters in kde 4.x ? |
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| 17:17.56 | icesword | seems missing a driver or something |
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| 17:18.37 | jelly | TuxFighter: yes, alsa provides drivers for your hardware |
| 17:18.46 | alcaudon | armhn, http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.6/amd64/list-dvd/ |
| 17:19.04 | armhn | alcaudon: thanks |
| 17:19.10 | alcaudon | :) |
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| 17:32.46 | somiaj | ,version openjdk-7-jre |
| 17:32.47 | judd | Package: openjdk-7-jre on i386 -- wheezy: 7u3-2.1.3-1; sid: 7u3-2.1.4-1; experimental: 7u9-2.3.4-1 |
| 17:32.55 | eth0ghost | Can anyone help me figure out how to get ethernet working on my new build? Gigabyte h77m d3h mobo. It is atheros lan. Is there a way I can get it working without a connection on that machine? |
| 17:33.24 | somiaj | wraah: There really is no proper way. You can't really backport openjdk since the build depends require a very new gcc compiler and so you will have to backport a lot of packages |
| 17:33.49 | somiaj | wraah: You could install the static linked binaries from oracle in /usr/local and manage it yourself (outside of debians package manager) |
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| 17:34.46 | somiaj | eth0ghost: what is the exact chipset? If the chipset is supported by either a backported kernel and/or adding firmare. All you need to do is have a way to copy the firmware or backported kernel packgae to the machine via a cdrom/usbdrive/etc |
| 17:35.12 | wraah | arh ok.. Would like to keep it inside debians package manager though.. But it will first get possible when wheezy gets released? |
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| 17:36.26 | somiaj | wraah: yes openjdk-7 is in wheezy |
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| 17:36.36 | somiaj | ,check-backport openjdk-7-jre |
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| 17:36.53 | judd | Backporting package openjdk-7-jre in sid→squeeze/i386: unsatisfiable build dependencies: Build-Depends: g++-4.7, librhino-java (>= 1.7R3~), fonts-ipafont-mincho. |
| 17:37.16 | somiaj | but that is the problems you are gonna run into if you try to backport it yourself, you will have to get backports of at least the following packages. |
| 17:37.30 | somiaj | s/following/privious/ |
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| 17:38.56 | eth0ghost | Just says atheros GbE lan chip 10/100/1000. |
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| 17:39.09 | eth0ghost | I will try to figure out on google what it its you are saying to do. |
| 17:39.41 | wraah | yea thanks somiaj ! |
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| 17:39.59 | somiaj | eth0ghost: lspci (should give you a more percise chipset and is useful when determing support) |
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| 17:41.05 | ws2k3 | hi can i enable mysql in munin? |
| 17:41.25 | eth0ghost | Oh duh lol, ar8161. |
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| 17:42.23 | ani` | i have debian testing , but #debian-next kicking me, i have some problem on testing can i ask here? |
| 17:42.46 | censor | hi all, a couple of days ago i asked how i could debug some apache segfaults i'm getting, and now i finally got a coredump - but i'm not sure who to contact regarding this? is the package maintainer to blame, or... i have no idea! =( http://pastebin.com/Gu3Q4u0t |
| 17:42.50 | somiaj | ani`: you can ask testing questions here. #debian-next is on irc.oftc.net another irc network |
| 17:43.03 | ani` | ok |
| 17:43.57 | jordanm | ,versions php5 |
| 17:43.58 | judd | Package: php5 on i386 -- lenny: 5.2.6.dfsg.1-1+lenny16; lenny-security: 5.2.6.dfsg.1-1+lenny16; squeeze-proposed-updates: 5.3.3-7+squeeze13; squeeze-security: 5.3.3-7+squeeze13; squeeze: 5.3.3-7+squeeze14; squeeze-security: 5.3.3-7+squeeze14; sid: 5.4.4-12; wheezy: 5.4.4-12; experimental: 5.4.11-1 |
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| 17:44.28 | jordanm | censor, looks like it's php that's segfaulting. show the backtrace |
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| 17:45.06 | ani` | i installed debian amd64 iso feb 4 . its unable to configure my eth also while installing my usb keyboard and mouse not detected , somehow replugthem works and i able to installed , but still my network not working |
| 17:45.09 | censor | jordanm: yes, indeed. how do i get the backtrace? |
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| 17:45.20 | jordanm | censor, type "backtrace" into the gdb prompt |
| 17:45.26 | ani` | and i cant fount resov.conf in etc |
| 17:45.33 | somiaj | eth0ghost: looks like that is a networkcard/bluetooh wonder device whose drivers have not made it into the mainline kernel. It will most likely take getting kernels from squeeze-backports (if you use squeeze), the kernel headers, a build enviorment and and the source for the driver to compile it against your kernel |
| 17:45.48 | somiaj | eth0ghost: this is not going to be very automated/easy if the machine is not on the network |
| 17:46.01 | eth0ghost | Right on. |
| 17:46.02 | somiaj | ani`: it is /etc/resolv.conf |
| 17:46.28 | ani` | ya |
| 17:46.35 | eth0ghost | So do I need to use this pc, make a virtual os, do it all there, and turn into an image, and install? |
| 17:46.39 | ani` | i its not there |
| 17:46.47 | eth0ghost | Would that be the easiest way to go about it? |
| 17:47.04 | censor | jordanm: there you go, it's appended: http://pastebin.com/s9M3dMQb |
| 17:47.19 | ani` | there a resolvconf folder with avhi deamon |
| 17:47.25 | jordanm | censor, you're running wheezy? |
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| 17:47.30 | somiaj | eth0ghost: depends on your skill level. Here is the basic idea (from a unbuntu form but the instructions look like they will work) |
| 17:47.57 | censor | jordanm: yup |
| 17:48.04 | somiaj | eth0ghost: http://askubuntu.com/questions/165192/how-do-i-install-drivers-for-the-atheros-ar8161-ethernet-controller - look at the answer with 17 rating. It lists the packages you need to install (almost) and where to get the driver |
| 17:48.05 | eth0ghost | Thanks somiaj. |
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| 17:48.46 | somiaj | eth0ghost: if you want to do it on the main system, I would goto packages.debian.org and download the .deb files |
| 17:49.04 | eth0ghost | And just transfer via usb? |
| 17:49.07 | somiaj | eth0ghost: you will need linux-image and linux-headers for the 3.2 kernel from backports |
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| 17:49.35 | somiaj | eth0ghost: you will then need all the depends for build-essential (there is probabaly 5-6 packages at least there) and last you will need a copy of the module from the linuxwireless.org |
| 17:49.47 | somiaj | eth0ghost: yea you can copy the .deb files over with a usb, and install them with dpkg -i |
| 17:49.48 | jordanm | censor, I would file a bug against php5 |
| 17:50.09 | somiaj | eth0ghost: you may not get all the depends correct your first try. Pay attention to the errors then go get the missing packages |
| 17:50.23 | jordanm | censor, as a temporary "fix", you can switch to executing php in fcgi/cgi, so when a segfault occurs, it will only affect a single request and not crash apache |
| 17:50.25 | ani` | may be i dont need resolv.conf while dns configured in my router |
| 17:50.28 | somiaj | eth0ghost: (I'm assuming you are running squeeze) |
| 17:50.31 | ani` | let me try agin |
| 17:50.43 | somiaj | ani`: you do. You can point resolve.conf at your router |
| 17:50.53 | somiaj | ani`: but you need a nameserver in there to get dns to resolv |
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| 17:51.08 | ani` | i use 192.168.1.1 |
| 17:51.08 | somiaj | resolv.conf -- don't know why I alaways add an e to that..:( |
| 17:51.22 | somiaj | ani`: yea that should be enough, nameserver 192.168.1.1 (a single line) and then the router does the rest |
| 17:51.25 | ani` | for my router |
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| 17:51.33 | ani` | ok |
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| 17:51.48 | ani` | be right be if i am success |
| 17:51.53 | eth0ghost | Thanks a lot I will give it a shot. |
| 17:51.53 | censor | jordanm: thanks, will try! |
| 17:52.01 | eth0ghost | No I am using wheezy. |
| 17:52.09 | eth0ghost | And crunchbang waldorf. |
| 17:52.50 | somiaj | eth0ghost: oh then just get the packages from wheezy, you probabaly only need the linux-headers package then (and don't need the new kernel from backports) |
| 17:53.07 | somiaj | and if it is crunchbang -- go get support from them as that is not debian nor supported here |
| 17:53.27 | eth0ghost | Oh so just get 3.2.0-4-whichever.... headers? |
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| 17:53.34 | eth0ghost | Sounds way better.... |
| 17:53.44 | somiaj | linux-headers-version yes |
| 17:53.54 | somiaj | again if you are really using crunchbang. Get packages from them. |
| 17:54.02 | somiaj | packages.debian.org are built against debian versions |
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| 17:54.12 | somiaj | (also make sure you get the wheezy versions of the packages and not other version) |
| 17:54.17 | eth0ghost | I use both. Thanks a lot for all the help guys. |
| 17:54.23 | Ristovski | btw guys, running mate under wheezy, any idea why text file thumbnail previews in nautilus and caja aint working? |
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| 17:54.28 | Ristovski | (I have them enabled) |
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| 17:58.16 | ws2k3 | hi i have installed munin but i dont have a mysql link in my munin web interface |
| 17:58.23 | ws2k3 | anyone know how to add mysql ? |
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| 18:04.30 | cjdavies | afaik it shoudn't matter what the hostname is? |
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| 18:04.44 | cjdavies | nslookup on the IP returns cjdavies.org |
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| 18:13.05 | TuxFighter | Is there any deb rep for firefox and thunderbird ? |
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| 18:13.48 | somiaj | TuxFighter: iceweasel and icedove |
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| 18:14.04 | TuxFighter | ah right its called iceweasel thanks somiaj |
| 18:14.17 | somiaj | TuxFighter: all debian does is take the branding away. The software is the same. If the version in squeeze/wheezy is to old for you, you can check mozilla.debian.net |
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| 18:14.51 | TuxFighter | yea I read that, I am just getting back in linux desktop that is the reason why. last kde I used was 3.5 |
| 18:14.56 | tremon | or backports (squeeze has 3.5) |
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| 18:16.40 | somiaj | tremon: is there a version in squeeze-backports. I thought m.d.n was where you got the backports for squeeze too. |
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| 18:20.18 | tremon | ,v iceweasel |
| 18:20.19 | judd | Package: iceweasel on i386 -- lenny: 3.0.6-3; lenny-security: 3.0.6-3; lenny-backports: 3.5.16-11~bpo50+1; squeeze-proposed-updates: 3.5.16-16; squeeze: 3.5.16-17; squeeze-security: 3.5.16-17; squeeze-proposed-updates: 3.5.16-20; squeeze-security: 3.5.16-20; squeeze-backports: 10.0.6esr-1~bpo60+1; squeeze-backports: 10.0.12esr-1~bpo60+1; sid: 10.0.12esr-1; wheezy: 10.0.12esr-1; experimental: |
| 18:20.20 | judd | 18.0.1-1 |
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| 18:22.58 | somiaj | ahh I guess you can get 10 from backports and 18 from m.d.n |
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| 18:25.27 | tremon | yes, that's true. Also, 10.0 was on m.d.n long before it appeared in backports |
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| 18:26.20 | Agiofws | hello |
| 18:26.30 | Agiofws | is anyone here using wheezy with gnome 3.4 ? |
| 18:27.10 | tremon | !anyone |
| 18:27.10 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>. |
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| 18:29.01 | Agiofws | is anyone here using wheezy with gnome 3.4 ? if anyone is is there a way to make the dock on the right BIGGER ? |
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| 18:33.05 | eth0ghost | Thanks for everything guys. It works now. |
| 18:33.31 | eth0ghost | I think I will keep a "known to work" dongle around for lan on new builds/installs from now on. |
| 18:33.31 | mtn | Agiofws, it gets bigger, up to a point, with fewer icons in it. |
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| 18:34.38 | somiaj | eth0ghost: yea, or be a bit more picky about hardware before you buy it. Though then you have to do extra research on all the components. |
| 18:34.56 | eth0ghost | Well you are right, I should have checked linux compat before hand. |
| 18:35.12 | eth0ghost | I am new to geeking, still learning. |
| 18:35.54 | somiaj | eth0ghost: I usually don't do that, I prefer the jump in head first and see where I end up. Though finding a concreet slab in an empty pool wth unsupported hardware always hurts. (: |
| 18:36.13 | eth0ghost | Honestly I am glad I had to jump in, I just learned something new. |
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| 18:37.51 | Agiofws | mtn, thats no use because i have more apps on it :) |
| 18:38.04 | somiaj | eth0ghost: note, keep the build stuff around to make that module. If your kernel gets upgraded, you will have to repcompile the module (and since you are doing this outside of debian pakges, you have to do it manually each time) |
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| 18:38.23 | mtn | Agiofws, I would look/search gnome websites for an idea. |
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| 19:04.34 | OpaDoggyStyle | i just installed a LAMP server on my debian machine together with a FTP server |
| 19:04.39 | OpaDoggyStyle | vsftpd |
| 19:04.50 | OpaDoggyStyle | however, i'm having problems in file permissions and so |
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| 19:05.30 | OpaDoggyStyle | whenever my HTML IDE uploads the files via FTP, the files become unaccesible by the apache2 server resulting in a 403 |
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| 19:05.38 | markss | (and /etc/debian_version also isn't telling me) |
| 19:05.42 | zykotick9 | markss: look at your sources.list |
| 19:06.15 | markss | zykotick9: ok. thx. |
| 19:06.40 | OpaDoggyStyle | so whenever i upload a new file, a need to go to my debian machine and chmod and chown the /var/www folder |
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| 19:10.16 | OpaDoggyStyle | take me slow, i'm new to the linux enviroment |
| 19:10.17 | MabYwen | or: create a script which chmod/chown on a regular base the docroot (in exemple every minute |
| 19:10.45 | OpaDoggyStyle | the apache account is the account that i'm logged in, right? |
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| 19:11.32 | MabYwen | yes, you should use the apache account for uploading files |
| 19:11.38 | OpaDoggyStyle | well i am |
| 19:11.43 | MabYwen | not any other (neither root) account |
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| 19:12.02 | zerick | hi guys, do you know the default values for min_free_kbytes on Debian? |
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| 19:12.28 | OpaDoggyStyle | god dammit, i hate linux |
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| 19:13.33 | korhojoa | OpaDoggyStyle: well, check your file permissions. |
| 19:13.36 | harmaahylje | what is html ide |
| 19:14.07 | korhojoa | harmaahylje: perhaps eclipse |
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| 19:14.14 | MabYwen | harmaahylje: IDE = Integrated Development Editor |
| 19:14.33 | MabYwen | in case of html-ide, you can use KompoZer, Quanta+ etc.pp |
| 19:15.06 | harmaahylje | didn't know people use such things, I use eclipse for java only |
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| 19:15.54 | OpaDoggyStyle | ok, so i'm logged in as chris, i upload files to the /var/www folder via vsftpd(using 'chris' as my loggin) |
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| 19:16.09 | harmaahylje | why not use public_html stuff |
| 19:16.14 | harmaahylje | for your user |
| 19:16.22 | tremon | OpaDoggyStyle: so how did chris gain write access to /var/www? |
| 19:16.24 | nkuttler | harmaahylje: usually if you want to produce html you don't want to edit .html files but something on a higher level |
| 19:16.44 | OpaDoggyStyle | * /var/www has chmod -R 755 and chown -R chris |
| 19:16.49 | korhojoa | OpaDoggyStyle: usermod is available, like harmaahylje said. |
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| 19:18.33 | korhojoa | err. userdir* |
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| 19:18.40 | tremon | chris should be a member of the www-data group, not the owner of /var/www |
| 19:19.00 | tremon | wait for actual apache users to jump in |
| 19:19.09 | OpaDoggyStyle | now i'm more confused than i was before |
| 19:19.15 | OpaDoggyStyle | as i said, i'm new to linux |
| 19:19.43 | OpaDoggyStyle | truth is, the only thing i really want is to get that damn server working |
| 19:20.14 | tremon | OpaDoggyStyle: it isn't any different on windows. If you want your user to upload iis files, you add him to the iis_users group, not let him take ownership of wwwroot |
| 19:20.14 | MabYwen | OpaDoggyStyle: read the manual, same as you so for new cars or coffeemakers |
| 19:20.16 | korhojoa | what do you want to do? does it need to be done via /var/www? can't you just use public_html ? that would let you easily just upload with your user |
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| 19:23.58 | nkuttler | OpaDoggyStyle: or any dir inside the user's dir. i prefer to create a new user for each app/website in /srv |
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| 19:28.43 | OpaDoggyStyle | how the hell can i add chris to www-data? |
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| 19:31.14 | tremon | OpaDoggyStyle: useradd chris www-data |
| 19:31.21 | tremon | ehm... adduser chris www-data |
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| 19:31.51 | MabYwen | sudo useradd .... |
| 19:32.19 | tremon | OpaDoggyStyle: and you should chmod -R 2775 $path_to_site |
| 19:32.28 | tremon | if it isn't the default (I don't know) |
| 19:32.35 | OpaDoggyStyle | ok, i'll do that right now |
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| 19:42.41 | LU324 | on #ati, they told me to remove all mesa packages when installing the proprietary driver. everything works fine, but i had to use --force-depends to remove mesa, and now whenever I use aptitude it wants me to either remove xorg or install mesa along with the open driver |
| 19:43.39 | LU324 | it seems like there should be a way to make aptitude not want to install the unnecessary, possibly conflicting driver? |
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| 19:45.23 | LU324 | actually I see I still have some mesa packages, I wonder is they're needed. but the package that's causing issues is libgl1-mesa-dri |
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| 19:45.41 | LU324 | the problem is that it seems to depend on the open drivers |
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| 19:46.35 | tremon | LU324: on #debian, people would recommend you to install the fglrx-driver package, and let dpkg worry about the mesa/gl conflicts |
| 19:46.59 | LU324 | tremon: I tried, but it doesn't support my card |
| 19:47.07 | tremon | of course, that presumes that your card os supported by debian's current driver |
| 19:47.09 | Gargantua | Don't speak for all of #debian, I don't use fglrx. |
| 19:47.10 | LU324 | it's Radeon HD 4xxx |
| 19:47.31 | tremon | are you on wheezy? |
| 19:47.38 | LU324 | yes |
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| 19:48.04 | nkuttler | thinks fglrx is a pos |
| 19:48.18 | tremon | iirc there is an fglrx-legacy-driver |
| 19:48.35 | tremon | ah, that's only in experimental |
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| 19:49.54 | tremon | agrees with nkuttler, but that sentiment is not a solution in itself ;) |
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| 19:50.36 | tremon | LU324: if you're on wheezy, have you tried the open driver? It should have acceptable performance for everything except heavy games... |
| 19:51.33 | nkuttler | LU324: or hd video |
| 19:52.11 | tremon | LU324: you can also try installing fglrx-glx, that looks to be an empty package |
| 19:52.30 | nkuttler | !fglrx |
| 19:52.30 | dpkg | fglrx / AMD Catalyst is the proprietary display driver for AMD/ATI Radeon HD and FirePro graphics cards. As of fglrx-driver 1:12-6~beta-1, R600 and R700 based GPUs (Radeon HD 2000/3000/4000 series) are no longer supported; use the <radeon> driver for device support. To install fglrx, ask me about <fglrx dkms>. http://wiki.debian.org/ATIProprietary #ati on irc.freenode.net. |
| 19:52.33 | LU324 | I had the open driver, it worked fine, but then after an update it became really slow (dragging windows would update once/twice per second with a lot of tearing), and dual monitors couldn't be configured to stay after a reboot |
| 19:52.35 | nkuttler | LU324: check the wiki |
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| 19:53.03 | LU324 | I'm not aure if it was even using the driver, I wasn't really able to figure it out |
| 19:53.11 | cerettala | So I ran an apt-get upgrade on my fileserver today, and totally fubared something. http://pastebin.com/yPejbkmd anyone have any ideas? I can install anything except for grub-pc and samba-common (and things that depend on them) |
| 19:53.46 | cerettala | it appears the postint scripts are screwed up |
| 19:53.52 | nkuttler | cerettala: fix the postinst script |
| 19:53.53 | tremon | I'm using dual-screen with the open radeon driver (hd6000), so I know that it is possible |
| 19:54.16 | nkuttler | cerettala: put set -x at the top to see what's going on |
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| 19:55.10 | jhutchins_wk | LU324: You should be able to use the ATI driver without having to remove the mesa libraries. I think the ATI folks may have misled you. |
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| 19:55.28 | awc737 | is there anyway I can see existing cronjobs on a system? |
| 19:55.32 | awc737 | even if they were created by another user |
| 19:55.34 | LU324 | tremon: I know, it used to work, but that it just broke. it might have been fixable, but i don't really understand this much, and ai really hate editing xorg.conf, so switching to the proprietary driver was easier |
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| 19:56.38 | tremon | opines the road to fglrx hell is paved with arcane X configs |
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| 19:57.01 | awc737 | crontab -e no crontab for ajwen - using an empty one |
| 19:57.09 | tremon | awc737: they are in /var/spool/cron and /etc/cron.* |
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| 19:57.39 | LU324 | tremon: huh? here I just apened amdcccle, set up dual monitors in the GUI, and it just works |
| 19:58.19 | LU324 | *opened |
| 19:58.36 | cerettala | nkuttler From what I can tell it looks like it ran..... http://pastebin.com/01ZGQfbB |
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| 19:59.38 | awc737 | tremon, I don't have permissions to look in /var/spool/cron |
| 19:59.57 | nkuttler | cerettala: that's odd.. dpkg --configure samba-common, and samba-common-bin |
| 19:59.58 | tremon | awc737: root does |
| 20:00.11 | cerettala | nkuttler It is doing it with samba-common as well |
| 20:00.14 | cerettala | but I think grub-pc worked that time |
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| 20:00.16 | johnfg | zykotick9: quick question. awesome's looking better all the time. Do you have a widget, or whatever in your rc.lua where urxvt is the terminal instead of the default? |
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| 20:00.42 | Aktau | Good evening people |
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| 20:00.56 | Aktau | I just bought a mini-PC with a HD 4000 intel card |
| 20:01.05 | Aktau | I also have one with a HD 3000 |
| 20:01.19 | Python1320 | Any way I can use (latest) glibc from my local user without requiring root to update it for a specific application? I can't update the system :( |
| 20:01.21 | Aktau | Which works perfectly with debian squeeze with some backports |
| 20:01.27 | Aktau | But the HD 4000 I haven't gotten to work yet |
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| 20:01.46 | Aktau | It seems that it loads the intel driver but then unloads both intel and vesa, afterwards it just uses fbdev |
| 20:02.11 | Aktau | SHould I try to find some way to force the intel driver or should I find a way to make X.org decide not to unload intel? |
| 20:02.22 | cerettala | nkuttler: Somehow that fixed it : / |
| 20:02.23 | cerettala | http://pastebin.com/MA9FNnE9 |
| 20:02.28 | cerettala | I thought set -x just turned trace on? |
| 20:02.42 | tremon | cerettala: it does |
| 20:02.49 | nkuttler | cerettala: so everything is fine now? |
| 20:02.55 | cerettala | yeah |
| 20:03.14 | tremon | btw: dpkg --configure --pending |
| 20:03.29 | nkuttler | cerettala: oh well sometimes postinst scripts work when run more than once.. |
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| 20:04.50 | cerettala | nkuttler++ thanks for the help in either case :) |
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| 20:07.48 | cato | hello, I am trying to add my sshfs mount (which works when executed on the commandline) to fstab and it does not work: http://dpaste.de/wDnNh/ anyone any idea? |
| 20:08.26 | cato | (and no, I cannot use public key auth) |
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| 20:14.26 | MrSaku | How to repeat holocaust, fast |
| 20:14.26 | MrSaku | Whats difference between nigger and barrel of shit? its the barrel hhaahaha@! |
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| 20:14.41 | OpaDoggyStyle | yup, i give up |
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| 20:14.59 | OpaDoggyStyle | i added chris to www-data, i tried everything, same thing happens |
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| 20:15.23 | OpaDoggyStyle | whenever i upload a new file via the html ide, i get an 403 |
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| 20:16.01 | tremon | OpaDoggyStyle: have you told us what the permissions/ownerships on working/non-working files are? |
| 20:16.07 | zykotick9 | johnfg: to make urxvt just set it as system default with "update-alternatives --config x-terminal-emulator" as root |
| 20:16.48 | OpaDoggyStyle | tremon: i'm new to linux, i'm confused, i don't understand anything, i just wanted to set up a test server on a remote machine |
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| 20:17.08 | OpaDoggyStyle | guess linux is not for me |
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| 20:17.30 | tremon | OpaDoggyStyle: yes we know, you've told us multiple times. A positive attitude goes a long way to soliciting unpaid advice/help |
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| 20:18.44 | OpaDoggyStyle | i'm grateful for your unpaid help |
| 20:20.29 | LU324 | <jhutchins_wk> LU324: You should be able to use the ATI driver without having to remove the mesa libraries. I think the ATI folks may have misled you. |
| 20:20.37 | harmaahylje | why don't you use google and find a guide or smth |
| 20:21.15 | LU324 | when I install "libgl1-mesa-dri", it also pulls in "libdrm-intel1" and "libdrm-radeon1". is that OK? |
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| 20:22.12 | harmaahylje | I was talking to opadoggy |
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| 20:22.43 | tremon | he dropped off the grid |
| 20:22.52 | confusid1 | For running php and just testing.. would nginx be good or should I just bite the bullet and use appache2? |
| 20:23.00 | confusid1 | I don't need plugins just the base function of php. |
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| 20:24.29 | harmaahylje | what's wrong with apache? |
| 20:24.37 | ompaul | nothing |
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| 20:25.12 | LU324 | well, I just went ahead and installed it, and it didn't warn about any file confilcts ore do anything strange |
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| 20:25.23 | LU324 | so I goess it, fine, I'll see next tile I restart |
| 20:25.26 | LU324 | *guess |
| 20:25.30 | LU324 | *time |
| 20:25.49 | LU324 | *it's |
| 20:25.49 | LU324 | ... |
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| 20:27.00 | confusid1 | harmaahylje: only thing I'm looking at is the resources used. This will be on a laptop for me to use on a site I'm changing around. so I don't need all the bells and whistles. |
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| 20:30.15 | Towzzer | has the bug where run-parts can't read underscores been fixed? |
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| 20:31.13 | ompaul | !tell Towzzer about bts |
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| 20:45.11 | Morrolan | I've been trying to source the file where Keychain stores the ssh-agent's PID (~/.keychain/<hostname>-sh) in a cron script, however, it fails with '(CRON) error (grandchild #6548 failed with exit status 127)'. Any clues? |
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| 20:46.02 | Morrolan | According to a quick Google search, exit code 127 stands for 'command not found', which has me kind of stumped. |
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| 20:51.18 | bolt | watches auth log scroll by. Someone trying to log in as root on a server with AllowRootLogin=no |
| 20:51.20 | bolt | *sigh* |
| 20:51.41 | fnmueller | bolt: let them play, this is normal |
| 20:51.53 | bolt | i know :) |
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| 20:52.06 | bolt | just makes me want to set up a honeypot each time |
| 20:52.14 | bolt | just can't be arsed to do so |
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| 20:53.03 | bolt | modded mediawiki that deletes every post after about 30 minutes time, ssh server taking 1 minute to consider each login, giving ascii goatse as a banner... |
| 20:53.06 | bolt | needs more free time |
| 20:53.36 | geggam | backtrack has built in honeypots bolt |
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| 20:53.44 | geggam | boot it up and turn iton |
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| 20:54.15 | bolt | ooh. i know i have that around here somewhere. |
| 20:54.29 | geggam | denyhosts is a good program that eliminates those connections as unknown users |
| 20:54.48 | geggam | i tend to disable all password auth and set allowedusers |
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| 20:55.54 | bolt | otp :) |
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| 20:57.04 | ZekeS | my ssh logs are so boring :/ |
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| 20:58.11 | jhutchins_wk | bolt: Why are you running ssh on 22? |
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| 21:00.54 | zykotick9 | jhutchins_wk: running ssh on another point is somewhat pointless, though it will stop "some" script kiddies. fail2ban ftw ;) |
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| 21:01.25 | Morrolan | Yeea, okay, turns out the script in question was missing the shebang line. *cough* |
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| 21:02.28 | jwash | hi everyone, i'm using Window Maker, is there a tutorial on how to create simple launchers? i want to create one that is a logout. |
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| 21:16.48 | Drod | hi |
| 21:17.08 | Drod | anyone know a Skype PROXY Monitor?? |
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| 21:27.25 | jacksmithz | is there a good resource that lists the differences between all the different debian installs etc. debootstrap, multistrap, emdebian and so on? |
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| 21:29.50 | tremon | define "install". debootstrap and multistrap are system installation tools, emdebian is a rebuild of the debian archive (calling it debian-derived would be an injustice) |
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| 21:31.58 | tremon | I know of no feature comparison chart, but debootstrap is explained in the debian installation guide, and the differences between emdebian and debian can be found on emdebian's website |
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| 21:33.37 | jacksmithz | well by debian installs, I mean any variant of debian that may be useful in a VM or chroot environment |
| 21:33.38 | meshuggah | <meshuggah> hello, i just bought a brand-new 2TB internal hard-drive, i plan to put it as FIRST hard drive, while my debian is installed on the old drive that will be the second drive |
| 21:33.38 | meshuggah | <meshuggah> will i get big problems cause of that? |
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| 21:34.17 | Akuw | hi |
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| 21:34.30 | Towzzer | you might need to install grub on that hard drive |
| 21:34.33 | Akuw | i need to configure my wifi card on thinkpad l420 |
| 21:34.58 | meshuggah | Towzzer: ok thank, but nothing bad will happens? all will be easy to reput grub, right? |
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| 21:35.55 | tremon | jacksmithz: well debootstrap and multistrap aren't "installs", they're tools |
| 21:36.38 | tremon | and emdebian probably isn't useful for VMs, it's built for embedded systems (NAS systems, PVR's, fridges) |
| 21:36.42 | Towzzer | meshuggah , nothing bad will happen |
| 21:36.57 | Towzzer | I don't have experiance reinstalling grub but there are guides out there |
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| 21:38.22 | jacksmithz | as far as i understand debootstrap and multristrap are installation tools, but If that is so, isnt it reasonable to refer to the installation that they assist with as debootstrap/multistrap installations? or have i misunderstood something? |
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| 21:39.11 | tremon | meshuggah: configure your bios to boot from the second drive, grub should get it. After that boot, you may want to install grub on the first drive and reconfigure the bios to boot from that |
| 21:39.53 | tremon | jacksmithz: debootstrap and multistrap result in the same debian installation that you will get from a normal installation cd if you choose a minimal install |
| 21:39.55 | meshuggah | i will install windows7 on the new hard drive |
| 21:39.57 | meshuggah | and another linux |
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| 21:40.05 | meshuggah | on the new hard drive |
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| 21:40.11 | tremon | another linux? heretic! ;) |
| 21:40.33 | meshuggah | while still keeping the linux mint on the old drive, 2nd place |
| 21:40.38 | meshuggah | tremon, lol |
| 21:40.45 | meshuggah | so well, i wont have big problems |
| 21:40.50 | meshuggah | thank you all for your help :) |
| 21:40.55 | tremon | jacksmithz: only difference is that the debian installer will configure the system for you (root password, networking config) while debootstrap will require you to do that yourself |
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| 21:41.42 | Towzzer | what's the advantage of debootstrap? |
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| 21:42.08 | jacksmithz | from the debian website "Its main limitation compared to debootstrap is that it uses apt and dpkg directly so can only work on a debian system - debootstrap depends on nothing but shell, wget, binutils and thus can run pretty-much anywhere." |
| 21:42.22 | tremon | Towzzer: control, and being able to install debian while the main linux system is still running |
| 21:42.25 | jacksmithz | that is multistrap compared to debootstrap |
| 21:42.59 | jacksmithz | so I wouldnt call that standard debian minimal install |
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| 21:43.38 | tremon | jacksmithz: I was talking about the system that debootstrap creates (the target), not what it needs to run (the host) |
| 21:43.56 | meshuggah | thank you all again |
| 21:43.59 | meshuggah | and cya |
| 21:44.20 | tremon | jacksmithz: so as for your question: if you're building a VM, use a standard debian install cd. If you want a chroot, use debootstrap or multistrap |
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| 21:45.42 | tremon | if you need multistrap's feature and are not running from a severely limited system (rescue disk or the like), use multistrap; otherwise, use debootstrap |
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| 21:46.26 | jacksmithz | yeah and thanks for your help :) though, I was actually only interested finding a decent resource to learn from :) |
| 21:46.31 | tremon | if you are targeting a severely hardware-limited device (like a raspberry pi), emdebian would be a good choice |
| 21:46.51 | tremon | jacksmithz: yeah, I know. But I have no other resources for you than my ramblings |
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| 21:47.49 | jacksmithz | hehe alright :) |
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| 22:04.52 | civillian | Iceweasel frequently uses over 4gb ram, is this normal? |
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| 22:05.03 | civillian | it causes my machine to swap excessively |
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| 22:05.57 | psychotropic | That doesn't sound normal to me... I use Iceweasel every day and I have never seen it use 4GB of RAM myself. |
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| 22:09.16 | nemume | Hi, I've upgraded to Wheezy. Everything seems to work fine, except that I can't change the resolution. |
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| 22:10.31 | nemume | Well, not exactly. I can change it, but it seems to be scaling everything to the desired resolution instead of actually changing it (the monitor OSD says it's always at 1280x1024). |
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| 22:26.02 | kulak | Is it ok to use backup group for restricted users? In other words my debian server is a backup server. I have restricted user for sftp backup and I'd like to manager that with a group. Should I create a special group or can I use backup group? Is backup group for self-backup? |
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| 22:38.53 | syllopsium | Can someone tell me why the default gateway keeps changing on a system that has just had a bridge added and how to stop it? |
| 22:38.58 | syllopsium | It's *really* annoying |
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| 22:40.01 | ruif13 | to install debian need to download all iso dvd? |
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| 22:41.00 | syllopsium | ruif: no, only the first dvd/cd |
| 22:41.15 | fnmueller | I'd recommend the netinstall cd |
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| 22:41.20 | syllopsium | the rest can be downloaded once it's installed |
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| 22:43.07 | abrotman | syllopsium: dhcp anywhere? |
| 22:43.56 | syllopsium | abrotman: that's a good point actually. yes, one of the interfaces on the bridge is configured via dhcp |
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| 22:45.22 | syllopsium | I'm surprised at how regularly the bridge fails, though (it's for xen. needs a bridge with a local interface and a virtual one) |
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| 23:22.53 | tharkun | I need to reduce a logical volume to 50% of its size so I can have a new Logical Volumen assigne. Data inside the LV is not relevant so no need to shrink the existing filesystem is the command lvresize -l 50%LV /dev/VolGrp/LogicalVol ? |
| 23:23.32 | tharkun | TIAS is not a good Idea since this is a production server and I can't screw big ;P |
| 23:23.47 | daemonkeeper | tharkun: lvreduce |
| 23:24.05 | tharkun | daemonkeeper: thanks :) |
| 23:25.24 | tremon | isn't lvreduce for removing snapshots/mirrors? |
| 23:25.45 | tremon | ah no, that's lvconvert :) |
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| 23:34.26 | tharkun | !coffe daemonkeeper |
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| 23:34.52 | tharkun | bahh anyway I ou you one big one |
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| 23:35.33 | daemonkeeper | You're welcome. |
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| 23:35.54 | Towzzer | hi folks |
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| 23:50.35 | markovh | are older package versions archived somewhere? Say you wanted to install 1:7.2.2.dfsg.2-9 but 1:7.2.2.dfsg.2-10 was the current one |
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| 23:51.33 | markovh | oh no wait, found snapshot.debian.org that's kind of cool |
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