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| 00:03.30 | bluenemo_ | hi guys, i have a problem with apache2 (i'm used to nginx and i'm working on a customers installation and configuration of apache2). i have a ssl certificate for www.heizoelpool.de, and i want customers who request 80 heizoelpool.de to be redirected to 80 www.heizoelpool.de and then to ssl so the ssl error is not shown (you have requestet heizoel but this cert is www.heiz). |
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| 00:04.15 | bluenemo_ | i cant find a good tutorial on that and the configuration is kind of odd to me :( i thought about catching without www on 80 and redirecting it to www. and then to 443.. but that doesnt seem to work :( |
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| 00:05.17 | enveezee | I was using squeeze with the iwlagn driver and my wifi was working, then I upgraded to wheezy and now it uses iwl4965 and it doesn't seem to work.. |
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| 00:06.02 | enveezee | the wifi light doesn't come on though it shows the firmware loading and it renaming wlan0 to wlan1.. [8086:4230] |
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| 00:06.48 | enveezee | though its probably not the kernel cause when I boot the squeeze kernel and try use iwlagn again it doesnt work either |
| 00:08.18 | enveezee | when I turn the wireless switch on only the bluetooth light comes on, not the wifi |
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| 00:09.03 | rombus1 | I've updated squeeze to wheezy and everytime I play music with mocp I hear a high pitch noise coming from my pc cabinet. It's not from a speaker, is like a capacitor or something. In squeeze all I did was from the bios change some setting from energy saving. But now that doesn't fix the issue. Any ideas? |
| 00:09.40 | rombus1 | I have an i7 procesor and 64bits debian wheezy |
| 00:09.59 | enveezee | rombus1: try stopping all the fans with your finger or something to rule out the bearings |
| 00:10.35 | enveezee | rombus1: use hdparm -y to stop any extra disks |
| 00:11.05 | rombus1 | I've already rule out the fans |
| 00:11.17 | rombus1 | In fact I only have the cpu fan and the PSU fan |
| 00:11.25 | rombus1 | only 1 hdd |
| 00:11.47 | enveezee | well caps can make a noise like that but if its working its not an issue.. my router does it |
| 00:11.47 | abrotman | 5~ |
| 00:12.18 | rombus1 | maybe the cpu is making that noise? |
| 00:12.22 | rombus1 | somehow |
| 00:12.55 | abrotman | the magic smoke |
| 00:13.38 | enveezee | yeah if the magic smoke comes out then you're in trouble |
| 00:13.59 | rombus1 | you're talking about caps? |
| 00:14.06 | abrotman | heh, not quite |
| 00:14.15 | rombus1 | lol |
| 00:14.22 | enveezee | caps are often used for storage of magic smoke |
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| 01:06.39 | TuxFighter | should I use the amd64 arch for a 2500k ? |
| 01:06.49 | abrotman | for a who? |
| 01:07.01 | TuxFighter | netinst |
| 01:07.29 | abrotman | TuxFighter: i would hope that is 64bit capable .. |
| 01:07.35 | abrotman | oh, it is |
| 01:07.38 | abrotman | (google agrees) |
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| 01:08.49 | TuxFighter | great thx |
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| 01:23.58 | squisher | hmm.... does anyone know a secret clone of google-music-manager? |
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| 01:27.11 | Towzzer | secret? |
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| 01:28.51 | squisher | Towzzer, well, "googling" for an alternative didn't yield anything |
| 01:28.57 | squisher | though maybe I should have tried bing or yahoo ;-) |
| 01:28.57 | abrotman | why do you need an alternative? |
| 01:29.18 | squisher | it currently fails to download my music |
| 01:29.27 | abrotman | download? from the browser? |
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| 01:30.27 | squisher | abrotman, no, it's a standalone app |
| 01:30.38 | squisher | it's supposed to make downloading the music easier |
| 01:30.40 | abrotman | i know what it is, i use it |
| 01:30.50 | squisher | k |
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| 01:31.25 | abrotman | tries |
| 01:31.30 | squisher | it's just stuck, the download never makes any progress |
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| 01:31.34 | squisher | thanks abrotman |
| 01:31.36 | abrotman | just let me try . moment |
| 01:32.04 | abrotman | squisher: how many songs do you have? |
| 01:32.27 | squisher | a couple hundred, why? |
| 01:32.44 | abrotman | wonders if it has to prepare something on the server |
| 01:32.50 | abrotman | has 4500 songs in there |
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| 01:33.30 | squisher | I use it mainly to buy music |
| 01:33.46 | abrotman | okay, i put all my CDs up there |
| 01:33.49 | squisher | in the past the downloading used to be easier compared to amazon |
| 01:34.37 | abrotman | squisher: tried the browser method? or too cumbersom ? |
| 01:34.56 | squisher | they restrict browser downloads to X times, maybe 3? |
| 01:35.03 | squisher | somehow that makes me not want to use it ;-) |
| 01:35.07 | abrotman | that's silly |
| 01:35.10 | squisher | I know |
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| 01:37.20 | abrotman | keeps waiting |
| 01:37.51 | squisher | heh |
| 01:38.12 | squisher | they're servers are probably screwed up right now |
| 01:38.28 | abrotman | yeah, not doing anything here |
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| 01:39.19 | squisher | abrotman, thanks for checking it out. I guess I have to be patient and use my phone in the car instead of burning a CD |
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| 01:39.53 | abrotman | squisher: or use the browser :) |
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| 01:41.00 | squisher | yeah, I know, what am I keeping these downloads fro |
| 01:41.11 | squisher | but, it is only 2x , these weirdos |
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| 01:42.14 | Sorinan | After configuring NFS4 with krb5p, I can't cd into my exported folder as a normal user, solely as root. What can be happening? This is what ls -lhAn show as normal user: "d????????? ? ? ? ? ? home" and as root user "drwxr-xr-x 7 0 0 4,0K Jan 31 17:01 home" |
| 01:42.57 | Sorinan | yet, the idmapd log shows that is mapping root@realm to uid 0 |
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| 01:45.37 | squisher | Sorinan, it's been too long, but an odd thing I remember is that nfs4 can fail mysteriously when the user is in too many groups |
| 01:46.14 | Sorinan | squisher, hmm, I'm in 2 groups only, don't think this is the reason :\ |
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| 01:59.08 | gry | outside of screen, vim keeps throwing some random things when I press arrows or 'home' button and similar, what package do I install to get it behave please? |
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| 02:03.13 | r31n3r | any bumblebee users around here? |
| 02:03.30 | gry | i bet |
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| 02:04.33 | johnfg | I just got this after installing tmux with apt-get install tmux: http://paste.debian.net/232568/ |
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| 02:06.48 | abrotman | !tell johnfg about lsb tags |
| 02:06.50 | abrotman | i think ... |
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| 02:09.09 | johnfg | abrotman: Ya know what's weird, I've been running squeeze on this machine from it's first release, and that's *never* come up before. |
| 02:09.45 | johnfg | I ran lenny (still on another partition) for a long time before that, but never sarge. |
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| 02:13.29 | johnfg | abrotman: Still not sure what the message I saw has to do with lsb tags. |
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| 02:14.51 | squisher | r31n3r, yeah for a minute or two |
| 02:15.41 | dondelelcaro | johnfg: multiple scripts are providing VMware |
| 02:15.55 | dondelelcaro | johnfg: (init scripts), which isn't allowed according to the LSB spec, though it really should be. |
| 02:16.17 | squisher | dondelelcaro, really? at once? I'm not sure what the semantics are supposed to be of that |
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| 02:17.15 | johnfg | I've had vmware installed for a long time. Why in the world did those mesgs just come up? And where are the offending scripts? |
| 02:17.21 | dondelelcaro | squisher: not sure what the question is |
| 02:17.26 | johnfg | In /etc/init.d? |
| 02:17.29 | dondelelcaro | johnfg: yes. |
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| 02:18.06 | squisher | dondelelcaro, you said several scripts providing a service should be allowed. I'm just wondering why you think that, because I don't see how that would be useful |
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| 02:18.46 | dondelelcaro | squisher: oh; the reason why it's useful is because you can replace services that other scripts provide |
| 02:19.58 | squisher | ah, I see, that could be useful. Though couldn't you just get rid of the init script that you replace, then? |
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| 02:20.25 | dondelelcaro | squisher: yes, but you would have an error condition until you did that |
| 02:20.43 | johnfg | dondelelcaro: so in /etc/init.d I have vmware vmware-autostart vmware-core vmware-mgmt. |
| 02:20.54 | johnfg | Which one is the offender? |
| 02:20.58 | squisher | hm, but only if you call insserv ;-) |
| 02:21.06 | squisher | has to run |
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| 02:24.41 | johnfg | dondelelcaro: If I want to correct the problem, what do i do next? |
| 02:24.50 | dondelelcaro | johnfg: you edit the configuration files |
| 02:24.58 | dondelelcaro | well, init scripts, in this case |
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| 02:26.05 | johnfg | Does it make any sense to you why those messages just came up this evening? |
| 02:26.46 | dondelelcaro | johnfg: this might have just been the first time you installed something that modified the init script order |
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| 02:27.14 | dondelelcaro | squisher: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=606593 if you want to know why I know that this is needed |
| 02:27.45 | johnfg | Aha, so you think tmux did it then? As that's the only new program I installed? |
| 02:28.13 | dondelelcaro | probably |
| 02:28.28 | dondelelcaro | tmux didn't "do" it though, it probably just made it visible |
| 02:31.00 | johnfg | dondelelcaro: So would you say follow the directions in the dpkg link for lsb tags? |
| 02:31.27 | dondelelcaro | johnfg: yes |
| 02:31.35 | dondelelcaro | well, using that as a reference |
| 02:31.53 | dondelelcaro | in this case, you just need to get rid of the Provides: vmware in the scripts that aren't /etc/init.d/vmware |
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| 02:33.44 | johnfg | dondelelcaro: So I'd just delete '# Provides: VMware |
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| 02:34.07 | johnfg | from vmware-autostart? |
| 02:34.09 | dondelelcaro | johnfg: yeah. Or change it to something else, and you should be ok |
| 02:34.28 | dondelelcaro | so # Provides: vmware-not-really1 |
| 02:34.30 | dondelelcaro | or something like that |
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| 02:35.53 | johnfg | Ok, I'm finally getting this, pardon for my thick head. So either delete, comment out, or, should each of the culprits have it's own # Provides: vmware-autostart, e.g.? |
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| 02:44.55 | dondelelcaro | johnfg: you can't really comment them out, but yes. |
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| 02:47.14 | johnfg | dondelelcaro: Yeah, I saw that. I'll go ahead and change other two, but after changing vmware-autostart, I ran aptitude update, then aptitude upgrade, and it didn't give any errors. Is there something else I can run to try and reproduce the error? |
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| 02:48.02 | dondelelcaro | johnfg: innserv -nv; should give you the output |
| 02:49.19 | johnfg | Well, just changing the line didn't work. I guess I'll have to delete them. |
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| 02:53.59 | johnfg | after deleting the # Provides: vmware line from vmware-autostart, I got this: http://paste.debian.net/232574/ |
| 02:54.58 | johnfg | Which looks like it has got to either be right (what's the right way?) or I can try what you said, exactly. |
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| 02:55.16 | dondelelcaro | johnfg: yeah, so it probably needs to be Provides: vmware-core |
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| 02:55.29 | dondelelcaro | johnfg: yeah, so it probably needs to be Provides: vmware-autostart, rather. |
| 02:55.39 | dondelelcaro | (and like that for the rest of them) |
| 02:55.47 | dondelelcaro | but that's really just a warning, so it's no big deal |
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| 04:12.29 | johnfg | dondelelcaro: did you see that last paste? |
| 04:12.53 | johnfg | That those initscript are all linked to vmware? |
| 04:13.18 | johnfg | What would be the proper way to take care of that problem? |
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| 05:28.56 | glamZillor | apt-get update And trying to download an torrent/iso image stalls |
| 05:28.59 | glamZillor | |: |
| 05:29.07 | squisher | glamZillor, that's why there are mirrors? |
| 05:29.43 | glamZillor | tried two. same. |
| 05:29.51 | glamZillor | is it just me? |
| 05:30.05 | squisher | sorry it seems highly unlikely that a bunch of mirrors will go down at the same time |
| 05:30.19 | glamZillor | agreed. |
| 05:30.25 | glamZillor | wth is wrong with my box. |
| 05:30.36 | squisher | http://ftp.us.debian.org is working for me |
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| 05:32.03 | glamZillor | squi': me too. |
| 05:33.19 | glamZillor | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.6/amd64/iso-cd/ |
| 05:33.20 | glamZillor | work? |
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| 05:36.46 | glamZillor | W: Failed to fetch http://ftp.se.debian.org/debian/dists/squeeze-updates/non-free/binary-amd64/Packages.gz Unable to connect to ftp.se.debian.org:http: [IP: 2001:6b0:e:2018::137 80] |
| 05:37.27 | RigidWig | how do I install httpd? |
| 05:37.33 | RigidWig | (apt-get httpd did not work) |
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| 05:38.29 | xiaclo | apt-get install apache2 |
| 05:38.38 | RigidWig | xiaclo already did |
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| 05:38.43 | RigidWig | but httpd -v returns bash command not found |
| 05:39.00 | xiaclo | /etc/init.d/apache2 start? |
| 05:39.12 | glamZillor | Rig': consider using nginx instead? |
| 05:39.41 | RigidWig | glamZillor I already do on another server (and prefer it, tbh) but this is simulating work environments which use apache, unforuntealy |
| 05:39.44 | RigidWig | xiaclo already running |
| 05:39.54 | RigidWig | xiaclo and even after starting httpd -v returns command not found |
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| 05:40.08 | glamZillor | hm. |
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| 05:44.46 | xiaclo | RigidWig: why are you trying to run httpd? It doesn't exist on debian, they renamed it to apache2 ... if you don't want to use the init script, you can use apache2ctl |
| 05:45.35 | RigidWig | xiaclo I was unaware, some of the guides for apache mention working with and specifically mention it, but I'll try it just as well and see what happens |
| 05:46.55 | xiaclo | RigidWig: depends on the distro, httpd is used in red hat and variants, so it is quite common, but it's apache2 in debian (and thus ubuntu, etc) |
| 05:47.11 | RigidWig | xiaclo good to know, thank you |
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| 05:47.57 | glamZillor | gah. |
| 05:48.03 | glamZillor | still screwed. |
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| 05:52.27 | squisher | glamZillor, cdimage.debian.org has an issue here too |
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| 06:02.05 | glamZillor | squisher, |: |
| 06:02.47 | blackshirt | hello, i have simpel stupid question ... what is the differences $dpkg -l | wc -l with this command $dpkg -l | grep ^ii | wc -l ?? |
| 06:02.55 | blackshirt | the result was different |
| 06:03.12 | squisher | glamZillor, do you have another debian system? then possibly you can just use jigdo and some other mirror to make a CD image |
| 06:04.07 | dinnr | -bash: vimtutor: command not found |
| 06:04.09 | dinnr | ???? |
| 06:04.15 | xiaclo | blackshirt: the grep command will filter out any lines that do not start with 'ii' |
| 06:04.27 | dinnr | Isnt vimtutor a given on most if not all distros? |
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| 06:05.14 | swjh | where does debian store kernel .config file? |
| 06:05.18 | glamZillor | squisher, no other system. |: |
| 06:05.24 | blackshirt | xiaclo: okey, so dpkg -l was for list of installed packages ? that was right ? |
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| 06:05.59 | glamZillor | squisher, i'm guessing it's a server/network end problem that will be fixed in time? |
| 06:05.59 | glamZillor | i.e. no falutl of my own |
| 06:06.15 | squisher | glamZillor, http://www.debian.org/CD/http-ftp/ |
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| 06:07.29 | xiaclo | blackshirt: yes, lists all packages on the system, a line starting with ii is something that is currently installed |
| 06:08.02 | xiaclo | blackshirt: if you do a dpkg -l without the grep or wc, you may see some with 'rc' which means they were installed, then removed, but configuration files still remain |
| 06:08.17 | glamZillor | squisher, unending Loading and finally unable to connect |: |
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| 06:08.23 | blackshirt | xiaclo: so ... rc was not installed packages ? |
| 06:08.39 | xiaclo | blackshirt: no, rc is installed then removed |
| 06:08.47 | squisher | glamZillor, you're in sweden? |
| 06:09.22 | xiaclo | blackshirt: a package installs files to run, as well as config files. When you remove a package, it often leaves the config files, so you don't have to reconfigure it if you decide to reinstall it |
| 06:09.27 | squisher | some to try: http://ftp.acc.umu.se/debian-cd/ http://ftp.sunet.se/pub/Linux/distributions/debian-cd/ http://ftp5.gwdg.de/pub/linux/debian/debian-cd/ |
| 06:09.34 | blackshirt | xiaclo: what the differences with not installed |
| 06:09.57 | xiaclo | blackshirt: not installed won't show up in dpkg -l at all |
| 06:10.23 | glamZillor | squisher, no, USA. for some reason always used sverige |
| 06:10.55 | squisher | glamZillor, http://mirrors.kernel.org/debian-cd/ http://ftp.gtlib.gatech.edu/pub/debian-cd/ http://debian.osuosl.org/debian-cdimage/ |
| 06:12.18 | glamZillor | squisher, mirrors.kernel.org is seems to be working and downloading iso |
| 06:12.20 | blackshirt | xiaclo: okey .. what other flags possible for dpkg -l output, ii, rc ? |
| 06:13.32 | blackshirt | xiaclo: okey, i should sure, $dpkg -l | grep ^ii | wc -l should return number of packages currently installed .. is this right ? |
| 06:13.57 | xiaclo | blackshirt: under normal circumstances, there shouldn't be any others. Any other code indicates there is something wrong with the package, like it was partially installed or something |
| 06:14.07 | xiaclo | blackshirt: yes, it will |
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| 06:17.25 | blackshirt | xiaclo: one simple stupid question again ... if we compared it with count from aptitude, .. look at http://postimage.org/image/gwu22dw13/ .. why this is so differences .. ? |
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| 06:18.38 | xiaclo | blackshirt: and what is the count via dpkg -l? |
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| 06:20.08 | blackshirt | xiaclo: dpkg -l | wc -l resulting for 1151 |
| 06:22.27 | xiaclo | blackshirt: I think it doesn't like all dependancies. For example, on my server aptitude shows 85 packages, but dpkg shows 512 |
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| 06:22.42 | xiaclo | blackshirt: *list all dependancies |
| 06:23.04 | blackshirt | xiaclo: you mean in the aptitude output ? |
| 06:23.07 | xiaclo | blackshirt: many of the libraries on my system (255/512 packages) aren't listed in aptitude |
| 06:23.35 | xiaclo | blackshirt: yeah, because it user friendly, so if you have no reason to install a package directly, it won't list it, just the common stuff |
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| 06:24.31 | blackshirt | xiaclo: i think it should listed in the installed packages + upgradable packages .. upgradable packages was in installed state too |
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| 06:25.17 | glamZillor | squisher, thanks. reinstalling. |
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| 06:25.47 | xiaclo | blackshirt: counts are still different, even with installed + upgradeable + security updates + obsolete |
| 06:26.52 | blackshirt | xiaclo: why, my aptitude not showing security update + obsolete parts ? |
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| 06:28.14 | xiaclo | blackshirt: probably because they are 0 so it doesn't show them |
| 06:28.39 | xiaclo | blackshirt: my testing system is still on debian 5.0, so really outdated :P |
| 06:29.05 | santosh | What are options for "section" in control file? (I'm talking about debian packaging) |
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| 06:29.26 | blackshirt | xiaclo: even with all included for installed packages, so why this count still different ? |
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| 06:32.17 | blackshirt | someone can describe it ?? |
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| 06:32.38 | xiaclo | blackshirt: no idea to be honest, it shouldn't, it's using the dpkg libraries |
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| 06:33.12 | blackshirt | xiaclo: i think they share the same barebones of apt database |
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| 06:34.03 | xiaclo | blackshirt: other way around, apt is built on dpkg. dpkg is the most basic, handles the actaully package installation. apt handles dependancy management and such, aptitude is a prettier front-end to apt. |
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| 06:37.09 | xiaclo | blackshirt: I vote aptitude is confused. aptitude search '~i' will show all installed packages, which agrees with dpkg on my system. |
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| 07:45.41 | nkuttler | ns5: query? |
| 07:46.15 | ns5 | nkuttler: uh.. how to see the changelog of an installed package? |
| 07:47.02 | nkuttler | ns5: /usr/share/doc/package |
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| 07:47.58 | ns5 | nkuttler: sorry but this is ubuntu, and there is no such dir... |
| 07:48.07 | nkuttler | !tell ns5 about ubuntu |
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| 07:48.52 | ns5 | nkuttler: I get it, sorry for asking it here |
| 07:49.12 | EasyAsPie | ? |
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| 07:59.53 | internat | hi guys, my friend did something stupid and im trying to revert it.. he had the linuxmint repo in his normal stable install for some reason. is there some way i can see what packages are installed that came via that repo rather then debian.org/ |
| 08:00.10 | jelly-home | !tell nyuszika7h about bat |
| 08:00.56 | jelly-home | internat: read /msg dpkg obsolete |
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| 08:01.46 | jelly-home | internat: also, dpkg, apt and aptitude all keep logs. |
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| 08:02.01 | nyuszika7h | jelly-home: http://paste.debian.net/232602/ |
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| 08:08.42 | jelly-home | nyuszika7h: since apt complains of held packages, have you checked those? |
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| 08:09.06 | nyuszika7h | jelly-home: dpkg --get-selections | fgrep -i 'hold' # returns nothing |
| 08:09.57 | jelly-home | I got nothing |
| 08:10.27 | jelly-home | nyuszika7h: what happens if you add mariadb-client-5.5 mariadb-server-5.5 to the install line? |
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| 08:11.44 | nyuszika7h | http://paste.debian.net/232603/ |
| 08:12.26 | jelly-home | repeat the procedure ;-) |
| 08:12.48 | jelly-home | (add libmariadbclient18 and those other two as well) |
| 08:13.25 | nyuszika7h | now the problem is: libmariadbclient18 : Depends: libmysqlclient18 (= 5.5.29-mariadb1~wheezy) but 5.5.28+dfsg-1 is to be installed |
| 08:13.35 | nyuszika7h | I guess I need to pin that |
| 08:13.47 | nyuszika7h | just adding it to the install line doesn't work |
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| 08:14.22 | jelly-home | you can add libmysqlclient18=5.5.29-mariadb1~wheezy |
| 08:14.53 | chicognu | can i install the boot partition in a pendrive without problem ? |
| 08:15.18 | nyuszika7h | jelly-home: this looks more interesting: http://paste.debian.net/232604/ |
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| 08:15.37 | jelly-home | nyuszika7h: say "n" |
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| 08:16.45 | nyuszika7h | chicognu: using a pendrive for an installed system will shorten its life cycle. though I'm not sure how often /boot is written to |
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| 08:17.42 | jelly-home | nyuszika7h: apt can get unwieldy like that if you have any pinning in place |
| 08:17.51 | nyuszika7h | jelly-home: ok, works now, it replaced mysql |
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| 08:18.56 | Ouroboro | i believe /boot is written only when upgrading and by grub when you make a menu selection; you can disable the latter by removing savedefault |
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| 08:19.40 | Ouroboro | even so, your typical flash drive can do say 100K cycles, so its not an issue |
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| 08:20.01 | nyuszika7h | Ouroboro: just wondering, are you trying to protect your computer with /boot on an USB stick? |
| 08:20.02 | Ouroboro | and if you are really concerned, you can use aufs/unionfs on top of /boot / etc |
| 08:20.40 | Ouroboro | nyuszika7h: chicognu is the one with the question |
| 08:21.50 | chicognu | <nyuszika7h> Ouroboro: just wondering, are you trying to protect your computer with /boot on an USB stick? |
| 08:21.56 | chicognu | nyuszika7h, yes ... |
| 08:22.02 | Ouroboro | nyuszika7h: however, i have built a secure system on usb using unionfs--the idea is that even if it is compromised, the changes will not be persistent |
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| 08:22.30 | chicognu | nyuszika7h, encrypt the rest, and letting just the /boot on the usb stick uncrypted ... |
| 08:22.50 | nyuszika7h | oh right |
| 08:22.54 | nyuszika7h | sorry |
| 08:23.57 | Ouroboro | chicognu: yes, this is what i did as well |
| 08:24.25 | Ouroboro | dm-crypt for /root, loop-aes for /home, and no useful data in either :) |
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| 08:25.22 | chicognu | Ouroboro, that is a good thing to do ... it void some attemps of the evil made attack ... |
| 08:27.12 | chicognu | My computer with windows uses TrueCrypted with the boot loader on computer, it is a nice solution to void my mom to use my computer ... But one day the feds could get in my home while I'm out and install a malicious code in the true crypt boot load Ouroboro |
| 08:27.17 | chicognu | paranoic mode on |
| 08:27.17 | chicognu | lol |
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| 08:28.30 | Ouroboro | are you using truecrypt on the win boot partition as well? |
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| 08:31.17 | chicognu | yes ... but it is in other computer (with just one partition with windows inatalled and full disk encryptation) ... the computer I ask about using the pendrive as boot, actually is only with one Win7 uncrypted partition installed... I'm planning to install debian on it now |
| 08:32.02 | Ouroboro | oh, so you want to use the pendrive *only* as boot? |
| 08:32.07 | Ouroboro | not the root as well |
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| 08:34.57 | Ouroboro | there should be absolutely no problem with that, assuming you can get debian to find it :) |
| 08:35.01 | chicognu | Ouroboro, yes... like this: /dev/sda1 windows install uncrypted /dev/pendrive (lol i don't know how linux adress a pendrive) as boot with lilo (uncrypted) /dev/sda2 /home (encrypted) /dev/sda3 /system also encrypted |
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| 08:35.36 | Ouroboro | USB drives are generally assigned SCSI names, so it would probably be /dev/sdb or whatever |
| 08:35.37 | chicognu | :) |
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| 08:36.16 | alteregoa | never buy a wd red 3tb from seagate, crap disk 1 D.O.A and the other one has thousands of bad blocks |
| 08:36.46 | chicognu | doa ? what that means ? |
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| 08:36.51 | alteregoa | dead on arrival |
| 08:36.59 | Ouroboro | wd red is presumably from wd, not seagate |
| 08:37.08 | alteregoa | sorry yeah the same crap |
| 08:37.11 | Ouroboro | but yes, all disks are crap :) |
| 08:37.28 | Ouroboro | i usually test them for like a week before i start using them |
| 08:37.28 | alteregoa | i had fuji disks last for years |
| 08:37.47 | Ouroboro | also, never mount disks vertically, i found out the hard way |
| 08:37.57 | alteregoa | thats outdated |
| 08:38.07 | alteregoa | you shouldnt mount a disk upside down |
| 08:38.14 | Ouroboro | you may think so, but i got pretty convincing evidence otherwise |
| 08:38.20 | chicognu | i like disks they are very cheap ... right now i have at last more than 3 times storage space i need :) |
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| 08:38.42 | Ouroboro | had 6 seagate disks from same batch, 4 horizontal (zero errors), 2 vertical (both dead) |
| 08:39.04 | Ouroboro | got 6 new samsung disks from different batches, 4 horizontal (zero errors), 2 vertical (errors already) |
| 08:39.08 | Ouroboro | coincidence? |
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| 08:39.38 | Ouroboro | then i flipped the two vertical ones and the errors stopped |
| 08:39.42 | Ouroboro | still coincidence? |
| 08:39.53 | ectospasm | Ouroboro: I've got five Samsung discs in my RAID6 which are "vertical" |
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| 08:40.01 | ectospasm | or at least, on the narrow edge |
| 08:40.05 | Ouroboro | ymmv :) |
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| 08:40.13 | chicognu | Ouroboro, I belive hd are not made to be mounted in vertical |
| 08:40.15 | chicognu | :) |
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| 08:40.35 | homes | chicognu: eh, they are fine |
| 08:40.35 | alteregoa | my 9 disks samsung raid are vertical no error |
| 08:40.44 | Ouroboro | to be fair, basically all mfrs say vertical is fine and plenty of raid shelves are built this way, but imho it is better to not risk it |
| 08:40.59 | homes | chicognu: plenty of enterprise gear has vertically mounted drives |
| 08:41.12 | homes | chicognu: plenty of home, too |
| 08:41.56 | alteregoa | ask google, they made a study about those drives |
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| 08:42.19 | Ouroboro | conspiracy theory: nas shelves are vertical so that they can sell more drives |
| 08:43.04 | alteregoa | well i use 2x 5.25 cages vertical double height 5 disks per cage |
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| 08:43.30 | alteregoa | at the front a 80mm fan, and temps are 40 degrees |
| 08:44.01 | Ouroboro | well, i am just conveying my personal experience with one certain case |
| 08:44.15 | Ouroboro | obviously there are many variables, and perhaps it was not even the orientation per se that did it :) |
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| 08:44.46 | alteregoa | i just noticed the quality of drives has being changed in the last 5 years |
| 08:44.57 | alteregoa | its getting even more worse |
| 08:45.05 | Ouroboro | everything is |
| 08:45.27 | alteregoa | thats because everything is made in china |
| 08:45.41 | Ouroboro | there are two reasons: (0) inflation (1) higher density |
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| 08:45.46 | alteregoa | and china has a very high tolerance in machines |
| 08:46.05 | Coudy | hi, can someone help me with dnsmasq caching, and authoritative answer ? when I setup dns cache, I have non authoritatiwe answer, and then I can't connect to host web service, resolving or ping works, |
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| 08:46.30 | Ouroboro | i try to get older better known hard drives |
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| 08:47.22 | jelly-home | Coudy: a caching/recursive dns server is not meant to give out authoritative answers |
| 08:47.30 | alteregoa | lol raw read error rate rised from 300 to 940 during badblock test |
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| 08:48.03 | ChrisH | Coudy: what is bad with non-authoritive answers? |
| 08:48.08 | Ouroboro | damnit, samsung f3 got discontinued? crap |
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| 08:49.01 | alteregoa | there is a identical seagate available? |
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| 08:49.08 | Coudy | ChrisH: I cant connect to host web service, when I put http://host/service to IE8, I have server not found, when I add domain and put http://host.domain/service to IE8 I can connect |
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| 08:49.28 | ChrisH | Coudy: and where is the problem? |
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| 08:49.53 | Coudy | ChrisH: it should work without .domain |
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| 08:50.13 | Ouroboro | alteregoa: not sure, seems like no |
| 08:51.05 | Ouroboro | anyway, now that hitachi and samsung have been bought, we are going to get even more screwed |
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| 08:51.21 | ChrisH | Coudy: How did you get IE8 on debian to work? This is up to the client programm ro add the domain search path from /etc/resolv.conf |
| 08:51.28 | alteregoa | yeah it was a f4 |
| 08:52.12 | Coudy | ChrisH: debian is my server, and IE8 is on windows xp client in my lan |
| 08:52.13 | Ouroboro | maybe frys still has it |
| 08:52.43 | Ouroboro | nope |
| 08:53.27 | ChrisH | Coudy: Its the clients duty to add the domain search path. |
| 08:53.42 | alteregoa | today i move from raid5 to raid6 just because i don't trust those drives anymore |
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| 08:54.23 | Ouroboro | raid6 is minimum safe config imo |
| 08:54.30 | Ouroboro | i almost had data loss even with it |
| 08:54.39 | ectospasm | the downside to RAID6 is the loss of capacity, but being able to be down TWO disks is unbeatable. |
| 08:54.40 | alteregoa | and mdraid is too stupid to turn the spares off, so a spare drive is clueless on raid5 |
| 08:54.45 | phix | raid1 with 5 drives is minimum safe sonfig imo |
| 08:54.51 | phix | config* |
| 08:54.53 | Ouroboro | basically got 2 drive failurer and 1 partial failure almost simultaneously |
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| 08:55.23 | phix | ectospasm: raid1 with 5 discs protects against a 4 disk failure, you can't beet that |
| 08:55.27 | phix | beat* |
| 08:55.28 | ChrisH | Ouroboro: Raid is no backup |
| 08:55.40 | ectospasm | phix: but you've only got the capacity of one disk |
| 08:55.44 | ectospasm | ...with RAID1 |
| 08:55.49 | phix | and? |
| 08:55.54 | jelly-home | ChrisH: we know raid is no backup. EVERYONE knows it by now. |
| 08:55.57 | phix | you dont loose your data |
| 08:56.00 | ectospasm | phix: it's a tradeoff you're ignoring. |
| 08:56.17 | jelly-home | phix: raid solves availability, not loss of data. |
| 08:56.18 | Ouroboro | the reason raid6 is minimum is because with raid5 you can get a failure while rebuilding |
| 08:56.29 | ectospasm | phix: I don't loose my data anyway. I may lose it from time to time. |
| 08:56.34 | alteregoa | raid6 with 4 drives doesnt make sense for my opinion |
| 08:56.55 | phix | jelly-home: yes and no |
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| 08:57.13 | jelly-home | phix: absolutely no. It's not meant to, and it does not do that. |
| 08:57.15 | phix | jelly-home: RAID is no substitution for backing up but it can solve dataloss |
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| 08:57.29 | jelly-home | phix: data loss is prevented with backup. |
| 08:57.31 | phix | jelly-home: in the sense of a drive failure |
| 08:58.03 | phix | jelly-home: correct, but at usually large time intevals |
| 08:58.11 | Ouroboro | raid just doesnt prevent user error, but this can be ameliorated with snapshots etc |
| 08:58.25 | Ouroboro | sure, backups are better, but people are lazy |
| 08:58.45 | alteregoa | i just hope btrfs goes forward with raid6 and its reed-solomon stuff, so you don't have to worry anymore with those complex mdraid setup anymore |
| 08:59.15 | Ouroboro | i use zfs currently |
| 08:59.25 | alteregoa | on bsd? |
| 08:59.28 | Ouroboro | on solaris |
| 08:59.31 | phix | yeah .snapshot directories are the best :) |
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| 08:59.48 | phix | What is the equiv to ZFS on linux? |
| 08:59.51 | ChrisH | with any HA solution you normally only go for one failure |
| 08:59.56 | alteregoa | btrfs |
| 09:00.04 | jelly-home | phix: ZFS. |
| 09:00.11 | phix | Ouroboro: correct, but it does save you from data loss due to drive failure |
| 09:00.12 | alteregoa | but you have to wait like a decade until its stable |
| 09:00.21 | Ouroboro | ZFS can run on fuse i guess |
| 09:00.25 | phix | jelly-home: yeah but it isnt called ZFS though, it has another name that I forgot |
| 09:00.29 | alteregoa | you can install zfs patches |
| 09:00.36 | jelly-home | phix: no, I mean ZFS. |
| 09:00.41 | alteregoa | zfs in kernel |
| 09:00.47 | phix | oh, there is a pure ZFS implementation for linux? |
| 09:00.58 | phix | how stable is it? is there a deb package for it? |
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| 09:01.09 | alteregoa | zfsonlinux.org |
| 09:01.13 | Ouroboro | interesting |
| 09:01.18 | phix | nice |
| 09:01.20 | jelly-home | phix: the kernel one can't be distributed by debian |
| 09:01.26 | Ouroboro | what do people use for backups? |
| 09:01.33 | phix | jelly-home: licencing :\ |
| 09:01.34 | alteregoa | a network drive |
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| 09:01.47 | alteregoa | yeah gpl and cddl licenses are incompatible |
| 09:02.01 | ChrisH | Ouroboro: amanda onto virtual tape arrray on disk(s) |
| 09:02.03 | phix | Ouroboro: rsync to another box as well as 2.5" USB HDD |
| 09:02.24 | phix | amanda hey, that is basically dump isnt it? |
| 09:02.27 | alteregoa | but if you use it private, it doesn't violate anything |
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| 09:02.56 | ChrisH | phix: amanda is tar with different levels of backup |
| 09:03.27 | Ouroboro | virtual tape arrray on disk(s)? |
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| 09:03.48 | Ouroboro | oh i see |
| 09:03.48 | folivora | Hi, when configuring virtualhosts, can I determine custom http-error messages straight to apache22.conf so all virtualhosts will have them? |
| 09:03.54 | jelly-home | Ouroboro: a bunch of disks pretending to be a tape library |
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| 09:04.21 | jelly-home | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virtual_tape_library |
| 09:04.22 | phix | ChrisH: yeah but what is backed up is usually a dump of the FS |
| 09:04.28 | alteregoa | i don't have ecc memory |
| 09:04.29 | Ouroboro | my main concern with backups is how to determine whether the data is valid |
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| 09:04.55 | Ouroboro | sure, we have checksums, but it is not really 100% foolproof |
| 09:05.03 | ChrisH | phix: correct. It works automatically and its easy to recover |
| 09:05.03 | alteregoa | cosmic rays can change the stuff |
| 09:05.21 | phix | ChrisH: I use dar |
| 09:05.49 | chicognu | Ouroboro, checksum is good for ensure a no intetional data corruption ... |
| 09:06.38 | Ouroboro | while we are on this topic, does anyone have experience with 'wipe' ? |
| 09:07.10 | phix | Also good to determine if your config files have been tampered with |
| 09:07.17 | chicognu | because a intetional data corruption can be very hard to find out ... a piece of code placed on the right place will not even change the md5sum ... |
| 09:07.22 | phix | which reminds me I need to setup tripwire or something similar, any suggestions? |
| 09:07.41 | phix | chicognu: well use SHA256 then :P |
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| 09:07.47 | phix | MD5 is broken any way |
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| 09:08.08 | Ouroboro | i am still trying to figure out how to get 'wipe' to output to either stdout or a fifo |
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| 09:08.34 | phix | what is wipe? |
| 09:08.44 | Ouroboro | its like shred |
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| 09:09.05 | phix | ah |
| 09:09.26 | phix | secure file eraser by writing random data to blocks the file ocupied? |
| 09:09.40 | Ouroboro | yeah, it works with both block devices and files |
| 09:09.41 | phix | s/oc/occ/ |
| 09:09.51 | phix | and LVM? |
| 09:10.19 | Ouroboro | ? |
| 09:10.42 | phix | Doesn't LVM map blocks differently to where they are actually on the block device? |
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| 09:11.04 | Ouroboro | i dont know, i usually wipe entire drives only |
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| 09:11.18 | phix | ah |
| 09:11.29 | Ouroboro | then i melt them with thermite |
| 09:11.37 | phix | I use badblock to wipe drives, not sure if wipe does it any faster or not |
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| 09:12.13 | Ouroboro | then i stick the remains in a saturn rocket and send them to the sun |
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| 09:12.16 | phix | Ouroboro: haha |
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| 09:12.35 | phix | You should start up a company that like :_ |
| 09:12.37 | phix | :) |
| 09:12.43 | Ouroboro | phix: yes, badblocks was just suggested to me, i think i might use it instead |
| 09:12.45 | phix | I am sure there is a neiche market for it |
| 09:12.48 | Ouroboro | but i still want to fix my wipe thing first |
| 09:13.07 | phix | Ouroboro: I usually do a 3 or 4 pass with badblocks, works for me |
| 09:13.26 | colo-work | eh, what was the bot command to check what (in terms of nodes in the dependency graph) backporting a package from testing to stable involved? |
| 09:13.43 | Ouroboro | actually, if you want to do secure erase, i probably wouldnt use badblocks |
| 09:13.50 | Ouroboro | but i am using wipe/badblocks to test new drives |
| 09:13.51 | phix | If you need to securely erase entire discs alot I suggest purchasing a random data generator |
| 09:14.21 | Ouroboro | shred/wipe both do those secret patterns (although this is probably pointless these days) |
| 09:14.21 | homes | why? |
| 09:14.29 | Ouroboro | wipe also supports RC4 and RC6 |
| 09:14.34 | homes | a CSPRNG is fine for disk erasure |
| 09:15.06 | phix | RC6? |
| 09:15.12 | jelly-home | a /dev/zero is likely fine as well, since the 1990s and PRML coding |
| 09:15.33 | phix | homes: depends on your definition of disk erasure I suppose |
| 09:16.18 | Ouroboro | a /dev/zero has always been fine for home use |
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| 09:16.40 | homes | phix: i will be interested as to why |
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| 09:16.41 | Ouroboro | if you are concerned about cia/kgb, then i recommend thermite |
| 09:17.06 | phix | Ouroboro: you may as well use /dev/null |
| 09:17.11 | Ouroboro | although, ironically, that recommendation probably means that i should now be concerned about cia/kgb |
| 09:17.42 | Ouroboro | btw, if you want a good laugh, read 'man wipe' |
| 09:17.49 | Ouroboro | the introduction |
| 09:18.13 | phix | Ouroboro: :P |
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| 09:20.03 | phix | Doesnt sound too funny |
| 09:20.08 | phix | or did I miss something? |
| 09:20.18 | homes | imo you shouldn't ever need to attempt secure deletion since you should have encrypted it before it hit storage, but that's another story |
| 09:20.18 | Ouroboro | the stuff about mafia etc |
| 09:20.22 | phix | ah |
| 09:20.28 | phix | THat isnt in the intro :) |
| 09:20.29 | Ouroboro | probably all true though :) |
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| 09:20.37 | phix | homes: :) |
| 09:20.49 | phix | you need to securely erases before encrypting a disc :) |
| 09:20.59 | phix | otherwise patterns may arise in the encrypted data |
| 09:21.00 | Ouroboro | homes: true, but encryption is similar to secure erase |
| 09:21.37 | phix | yeah but encryption to blocks only occurs on write, so if you havent written to all blocks of the disc there will be a pattern of where the encrypted bytes are and where they are not |
| 09:22.04 | homes | phix: you still don't need to, you can fill the encrypted volume |
| 09:22.23 | phix | yes, or even better, securely erase the disc with a few passes first |
| 09:22.30 | smv | I've been trying to install wheezy from the DI-b4 netinst CD, but had no luck in using a server from which to download packages, other than the ones installed. the sources.list has only the security.d.o server, and none other that I tried worked. I always get a missing/incorrect Release file. any ideea? |
| 09:22.38 | Ouroboro | generally your encryption tool will fill the volume on creation |
| 09:22.41 | homes | phix: waste of time, but feel free to |
| 09:22.57 | phix | homes: I have :) I sleep easier at night now :P |
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| 09:23.15 | phix | homes: Do you encrypt SWAP? |
| 09:23.19 | homes | no. |
| 09:23.24 | phix | :S |
| 09:23.31 | homes | i don't use swap |
| 09:23.36 | phix | ah |
| 09:23.40 | phix | fair enough |
| 09:24.00 | phix | I have it there as a safety net but it is hardly touched |
| 09:24.16 | phix | 260Mb used, 4GB RAM |
| 09:24.43 | phix | I wonder what is using the swap, any way of listing the processes that are using swap? |
| 09:25.25 | homes | not that i know of |
| 09:25.42 | phix | aaaawww |
| 09:25.45 | phix | I might google it |
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| 09:25.56 | Ouroboro | anyway, any idea why this doesnt work: mkfifo a; wipe -kZ -M a -q -Q 1 -l 1M a |
| 09:25.58 | colo-work | doesn't anyone know what the bot command was to check what (in terms of nodes in the dependency graph) backporting a package from testing to stable involved? |
| 09:26.10 | phix | no idea |
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| 09:26.31 | homes | /msg dpkg ssbp |
| 09:26.53 | homes | replace sid with testing i suppose |
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| 09:27.03 | colo-work | homes, thanks |
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| 09:27.29 | phix | or wheezy |
| 09:27.38 | geekbri | Question, if I installed a package manually with dpkg -i, and apt-cache policy <package> is showing "Installed: (none)" Is there a way for me to get it to report that it is indeed installed? |
| 09:27.39 | phix | btw, when is wheezy going to be released? any date yet? |
| 09:27.57 | phix | geekbri: dpkg -l | grep -i packagename |
| 09:28.14 | geekbri | phix: it shows up with dpkg as installed, just apt-cache policy is showing it as not installed. |
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| 09:28.46 | phix | is that a problem/ |
| 09:28.58 | phix | s:/:\?: |
| 09:29.04 | geekbri | phix: unfortunately yes. I am using a piece of software called chef, and it greps through the output of apt-cache policy to see if things are installed or not. |
| 09:29.16 | phix | is chef open source? |
| 09:29.38 | geekbri | it is, and i could go in and change the provider that checks that to use dpkg instead, but I would have to patch that iwth every version upgrade. |
| 09:29.51 | geekbri | I was hoping to find a solution where I could instead, notify or hack up apt-get policy to show it as installed. |
| 09:29.56 | phix | or submit patch to the author |
| 09:30.02 | phix | and it will be in the next release |
| 09:30.28 | nkuttler | geekbri: hm, which package did you install, and how did you check the policy? |
| 09:30.43 | jelly-home | geekbri: that shouldn't happen; can you pastebin the full output of both dpkg -l | grep ^packagename and apt-cache policy packagename? |
| 09:30.47 | phix | also, what does chef do? Do you really need to use it? |
| 09:31.08 | geekbri | phix: yes, chef is configuration management and we are using it across all of our servers. |
| 09:31.17 | phix | ah |
| 09:31.20 | phix | I might look into it |
| 09:31.28 | phix | I use git for configuration management :P |
| 09:31.28 | nkuttler | phix: i prefer salt |
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| 09:31.36 | geekbri | salt's still a little young. |
| 09:31.36 | phix | salt is like chef? |
| 09:31.43 | nkuttler | they are similar |
| 09:31.47 | jelly-home | phix: and chef is like puppter |
| 09:31.48 | geekbri | salt is in python. |
| 09:31.50 | jelly-home | puppet |
| 09:31.54 | phix | <3 python |
| 09:32.00 | jelly-home | and puppet is like cfengine.... |
| 09:32.02 | phix | havent used puppet either |
| 09:32.15 | phix | I need to read up on them as I don't know what the use case of it would be |
| 09:32.23 | jelly-home | probably not worth using unless you have more than 100 machines |
| 09:32.28 | nkuttler | phix: automated configuration/deployment |
| 09:32.36 | nkuttler | jelly-home: that's nonsense |
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| 09:32.55 | phix | nkuttler: Automated in the sense that you don't need to configure it? It reads your mind? |
| 09:33.12 | phix | How can you configure something without configuring it |
| 09:33.17 | nkuttler | phix: well in salt you can create something like config templates etc |
| 09:33.23 | nkuttler | phix: you do the work once |
| 09:33.39 | homes | jelly-home: i disagree, given how many times iv'e set up my desktop in my life [20?] |
| 09:33.44 | phix | I do that normally, I configure samba, then I update it and the configuration is retrained |
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| 09:33.54 | phix | retained |
| 09:33.54 | nkuttler | yeah, i've also salted my desktops |
| 09:33.55 | phix | even |
| 09:34.07 | phix | any way, I am reading up on it, it may be useful |
| 09:34.09 | korhojoa | i salted my floor by mistake once |
| 09:34.16 | korhojoa | dropped a shaker :< |
| 09:34.27 | phix | korhojoa: Did you throw pepper over your left shoulder? |
| 09:34.33 | korhojoa | it was this really nice herbal mix salt too |
| 09:34.38 | phix | to conteract the salt spillage? |
| 09:34.47 | korhojoa | phix: no. shit. what do i do now. |
| 09:34.50 | phix | lol |
| 09:34.52 | phix | :P |
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| 09:35.03 | homes | not sure which of puppet/chef/cfengine one should invest your time into, but i well recommend anyone setting up computers at least learn the basics [i suspect puppet has the most support behind it] |
| 09:35.10 | Ouroboro | what do you throw if you spill pepper? |
| 09:35.24 | homes | uses puppet extensively |
| 09:35.27 | nkuttler | homes: i've chosen salt because python |
| 09:35.28 | phix | Ouroboro: salt |
| 09:35.40 | Ouroboro | phix: that makes an infinite loop |
| 09:35.44 | phix | correct |
| 09:36.02 | homes | nkuttler: i do like python, looking at salt now :> puppet being ruby is a pain |
| 09:36.33 | phix | That is stupidstion / religion for you |
| 09:36.39 | phix | stition even |
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| 09:36.45 | Nebukadneza | heho |
| 09:36.54 | phix | ruby :S |
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| 09:37.42 | homes | awww a python project that uses git instead of hg |
| 09:37.48 | homes | traitors! |
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| 09:38.27 | geekbri | homes: Chef has a decent amount of momentum as well. I prefer chef due to it being more flexible than puppet, but I've heard that puppet is working to add arbitrary code to manifests |
| 09:38.59 | homes | geekbri: one can write puppet manifests in ruby, though i've only used the DSL |
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| 09:39.23 | korhojoa | Ouroboro: says the snake that's eating it's own tail |
| 09:39.32 | Ouroboro | touche |
| 09:39.32 | geekbri | homes: It was my understanding, when i initially was evaluating, that you could not write arbitrary ruby in the manifests. That was one of the main reasons I selected chef over puppet |
| 09:39.55 | phix | homes: I use git |
| 09:39.59 | phix | what's wrong with it? |
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| 09:40.06 | phix | linux uses git too |
| 09:40.14 | phix | linus invented it |
| 09:40.21 | phix | It must be good |
| 09:40.50 | homes | phix: we know what git is. possibly better than yourself ;\ |
| 09:40.53 | geekbri | phix: I use git all the time, comparing git to puppet/cfengine/chef/salt isn't really applicable |
| 09:40.57 | phix | homes: possibably |
| 09:41.10 | phix | no I was comparing git to hg |
| 09:41.23 | geekbri | oh. well yes i prefer git to hg as well :) |
| 09:41.28 | phix | :) |
| 09:41.36 | phix | regarding homes statement above |
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| 09:42.20 | homes | geekbri: i only started using around 2.6, 'Starting in Puppet 2.6.x, manifests can be written in Ruby' |
| 09:42.40 | geekbri | homes: There ya go. I thought they were adding it, looks like they added it already :) |
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| 09:44.50 | homes | phix: i didn't say anything was wrong with git, hg and salt are both python projects - hence the traitor part |
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| 09:45.25 | geekbri | hg was written specifically for python wasn't it? As in it's original purpose was that python maintainers wanted different source control software? |
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| 09:45.39 | homes | geekbri: nah, it was written for linux |
| 09:46.43 | geekbri | wikipedia seems to agree :) |
| 09:47.31 | homes | there's a really goot git/hg talk by a guy well versed in the internals of both [git-hg author iirc]. ill go find it |
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| 09:48.14 | homes | ahh, he works for github: http://blip.tv/pycon-us-videos-2009-2010-2011/pycon-2010-hg-and-git-can-t-we-all-just-get-along-154-3379011 |
| 09:49.02 | homes | well, interesting if you're into revision control anyway |
| 09:52.07 | Ouroboro | i am into cvs |
| 09:52.20 | homes | he is our enemy |
| 09:54.37 | geekbri | I remember in like 2000 I was using CVS and I thought it was the best thing ever. Now the thought of CVS makes me want to noose myself. |
| 09:55.06 | geekbri | I don't have a problem with hg, i think its a good piece of software. I just personally prefer git :) |
| 09:55.23 | Ouroboro | cvs works great when you are the only user and you never need to move directories :) |
| 09:56.55 | Ouroboro | on the plus side, it keeps files separate, i dont know how this works with git |
| 09:57.26 | geekbri | I will compromise with you and say CVS is better than not using source control at all |
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| 09:58.08 | Ouroboro | i am open to change, but i have a ton of legacy stuff in cvs |
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| 09:58.19 | Ouroboro | i dont like svn, but i may try something else later |
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| 09:59.27 | geekbri | Ouroboro: Git's a good choice :) |
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| 09:59.57 | tgs3 | how to reinstall MBR+boot if that part of hdd was deleted? |
| 10:00.24 | phix | homes: ah ok :) I didn't know hg was python, how does it perform compared with git? |
| 10:00.29 | homes | i haven't used cvs much, but i certainly enjoy the speed benefits of hg over svn, and though i may be the only user - i still branch and merge. you can convert your legacy cvs repos to hg [with some catches] and i imagine git, |
| 10:00.36 | smv | I've been trying to install wheezy from the DI-b4 netinst CD, but had no luck in using a server from which to download packages, other than the ones installed. the sources.list has only the security.d.o server, and none other that I tried worked. I always get a missing/incorrect Release file. any ideea? |
| 10:00.39 | ectospasm | tgs3: http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/howto-copy-mbr/ |
| 10:00.48 | Ouroboro | git vs darcs? |
| 10:00.55 | homes | phix: some things worse, some things better. its not enough to worry about |
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| 10:01.29 | homes | tgs3: have you lost the partition table? |
| 10:01.29 | phix | homes: ok, well I will stick with git then :) at least Tortoise git exists when I am forced to use windows |
| 10:01.31 | jelly | tgs3: /boot? |
| 10:01.39 | tgs3 | ectospasm: I know that, but I dont have a backup |
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| 10:01.50 | phix | tgs3: define deleted |
| 10:02.10 | tgs3 | phix: mbr is zeroed out, so is the 1st partition that was /boot. Partition table is ok |
| 10:02.18 | ectospasm | tgs3: do you have documented the partition table, including partition sizes, CHS values, etc.? |
| 10:02.21 | homes | grub-install can put the bootloader back |
| 10:02.36 | jelly | tgs3: what do you mean the partition table is ok, did you recreate it? |
| 10:02.38 | phix | tgs3: mmmm with zeroes or random data? |
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| 10:02.56 | Ouroboro | phix: with thermite |
| 10:02.58 | phix | you can use testdisk to recover partition stuff |
| 10:03.02 | phix | Ouroboro: haha |
| 10:03.22 | phix | Ouroboro: Thermite is the best tool for securely deleting files |
| 10:03.49 | phix | although do you need magnezium to ignite it? or can you use something else? |
| 10:03.51 | homes | i tried it on my google drive but it just ruined my monitor |
| 10:03.51 | Ouroboro | i dont know, there is also sulfuric acid, industrial shredders, ... |
| 10:04.01 | jelly | tgs3: or did you merely not reboot yet so the kernel's notion of what was in the partition table is still sane |
| 10:04.07 | phix | homes: lol |
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| 10:05.15 | tgs3 | jelly: computer is turned off already |
| 10:05.40 | tgs3 | phix: well, what is the difference? :) Im not going to run hardware undelete with atomic microscope on it |
| 10:05.52 | phix | any way, if glusterfs is slow what else should I use ? |
| 10:06.27 | phix | tgs3: just using an atomic microscope to observe the disc would erase it :) |
| 10:06.57 | korhojoa | What is an atomic microscope? |
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| 10:07.57 | tgs3 | korhojoa: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atomic_force_microscopy but this actually was not correct, one would use normal disk reader but very precise to do such a thing |
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| 10:08.43 | jelly | tgs3: ok, it's turned off now. How did you make sure the partition table was intact? |
| 10:08.45 | tgs3 | jelly: the partition table is correct. I need to boot some live-cd thing and recreate 1) mbr 2) /boot |
| 10:09.04 | Ouroboro | yes |
| 10:09.06 | tgs3 | jelly: from livecd, all partitions are ok |
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| 10:09.47 | tgs3 | jelly: can debian install CD recreate mbr, and /boot ? other then doing full reinstall |
| 10:09.55 | Ouroboro | dont you just need grub-install or installgrub or whatever |
| 10:09.56 | smv | I've been trying to install wheezy from the DI-b4 netinst CD, but had no luck in using a server from which to download packages, other than the ones installed. the sources.list has only the security.d.o server, and none other that I tried worked. I always get a missing/incorrect Release file. any ideea? |
| 10:10.29 | tgs3 | Ouroboro: so what, boot some debian live cd and chroot into old system and grub-install? it handles both mbr and files in /boot/ ? |
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| 10:10.55 | Ouroboro | not sure, actually |
| 10:10.56 | korhojoa | you'll still need a kernel |
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| 10:11.36 | jelly | tgs3: use any livecd to create the /boot filesystem, then mount your / fs, /boot underneath it, bind-mount /sys, /proc, /dev inside, chroot into it and reinstall all the packages that had files in /boot |
| 10:12.14 | korhojoa | smv: try a older netinst cd? |
| 10:12.25 | folivora | Hi, when configuring virtualhosts, can I determine custom http-error messages straight to apache22.conf so all virtualhosts will have them? |
| 10:12.29 | tgs3 | jelly: can the net install debian cd do that? |
| 10:12.31 | jelly | tgs3: grub-install won't make kernels appear magically out of thin air, unfortunately |
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| 10:12.36 | jelly | tgs3: it probably can |
| 10:12.37 | Ouroboro | yeah true |
| 10:12.59 | Ouroboro | *submits rfe for grub* |
| 10:13.10 | smv | korhojoa, I finihsed the install, installed only the basic stuff, but once I reboot I still can't use any server. |
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| 10:13.34 | tgs3 | !rfe |
| 10:13.34 | korhojoa | smv: so uh, i assume you have network connectivity? |
| 10:13.41 | tgs3 | Ouroboro: rfe? |
| 10:13.43 | jelly | tgs3: that was a bad joke |
| 10:13.49 | smv | korhojoa, yes, I get the files from security.d.o |
| 10:14.09 | tgs3 | request for exclusion? ;) |
| 10:14.53 | tgs3 | korhojoa: I have kernel's .deb file available |
| 10:14.55 | korhojoa | smv: every mirror gives you that? have you tried ones outside wherever you're located |
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| 10:15.13 | korhojoa | tgs3: good. :) |
| 10:15.23 | smv | korhojoa, yes, I tried a few, all give the same error, except security.d.o |
| 10:15.39 | korhojoa | tgs3: I don't know how the initrd generation works when chrooted though |
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| 10:15.52 | jelly | korhojoa: it does. |
| 10:16.07 | korhojoa | jelly: it looks at stuff in the chroot, not what it booted out of? |
| 10:16.12 | Ouroboro | tgs3: request for enhancement |
| 10:16.34 | tgs3 | jelly: it will generate that boot menu / lst files and all? currently /boot will be empty (after I mkfs it) |
| 10:16.41 | jelly | korhojoa: it looks at the root filesystem. |
| 10:17.32 | jelly | tgs3: that's just to get kernel files back. Recreate the boot loader stuff after that. |
| 10:17.48 | korhojoa | smv: hm. did you try with testing as well as wheezy? |
| 10:17.56 | smv | korhojoa, yes |
| 10:18.33 | smv | korhojoa, mind showing me a working sources.list? |
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| 10:19.19 | jelly | tgs3: thirdly, fix the fstab entry for /boot if needed |
| 10:19.26 | tgs3 | jelly: hmm Im not sure, again what command will populate empty /boot with all that small files? I do have .deb file of kernel itself |
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| 10:19.41 | tgs3 | ok I will make sure /etc/fstab (in chroot) is correct |
| 10:19.49 | jelly | tgs3: reinstall all the packages from dpkg -S /boot |
| 10:19.59 | tgs3 | oh cool trick, jelly |
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| 10:20.24 | gry | am i correct in my understanding of that mosh-server isn't in debian repos? |
| 10:20.27 | korhojoa | smv: sure. I have this in mine: deb http://ftp.fi.debian.org/debian/ testing non-free contrib |
| 10:20.37 | tgs3 | jelly: also I have other similar systems here (debian stables) can I just copy the files on /boot from one to another and then run grub-install and then run dpkg -i that-kernel.deb ? good idea? |
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| 10:20.51 | homes | jelly: very cool trick. |
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| 10:22.00 | korhojoa | smv: I don't have a testing system installed, I just have a few testing packages pinned on one server. That repo seems to work fine for me though. |
| 10:22.12 | Hardisk | Hey guys, something fun is happening, I'm using an external 6 TB NTFS drive for backups of a Dell server. This morning I arrived and the system was throwing I/O errors when I tried to CD into some directories inside the drive. I plug the drive in in a laptop , everything is fine and data is here. I replug to Debian server and.. here's the output of dmesg : http://pastebin.com/wznrhi5F any clues? |
| 10:22.16 | jelly | homes: it's basic dpkg functionality, /msg dpkg refcard |
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| 10:23.20 | Ouroboro | maybe the usb hub messed up, try power cycling server? |
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| 10:23.43 | jelly | Hardisk: try a different port, after rebooting |
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| 10:24.27 | Hardisk | jelly: I'm gonna have to wait a bit until I can reboot, the server is in production Is it a problem? |
| 10:24.37 | Hardisk | Ouroboro: Power Cycling? |
| 10:24.59 | Ouroboro | shutdown, turn off power, turn on power, startup |
| 10:25.13 | Ouroboro | or you can perhaps try a different usb port right now? |
| 10:25.18 | Ouroboro | sometimes that fixes it |
| 10:25.51 | Hardisk | hang on I just plugged it in a different port |
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| 10:27.07 | Hardisk | And I'm gaving no dmesg output whatsoever |
| 10:27.08 | Hardisk | wat |
| 10:27.28 | jelly | Hardisk: well, the driver or the usb host is in an inconsistent state |
| 10:27.39 | Hardisk | hm. |
| 10:27.47 | Ouroboro | yeah, this shit happens with usb all the time |
| 10:28.12 | Ouroboro | is there a way to reset the usb driver? |
| 10:28.15 | Hardisk | Is rebooting my only option? |
| 10:28.26 | Hardisk | I can do it , I just have to tell people that we'll have a 5 mn outage |
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| 10:28.49 | homes | best to say *probably a 5min outage |
| 10:29.02 | Hardisk | :D |
| 10:29.22 | Hardisk | Allright i'll resort to this , be back in 5 |
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| 10:29.29 | phix | ok |
| 10:29.37 | Ouroboro | one sec |
| 10:29.43 | Hardisk | ? |
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| 10:30.09 | homes | lucky bastard, sometimes takes weeks for me to get an outage |
| 10:30.25 | naveko | hi everybody! I am trying to install GitLab, but I'm stuck on installing a gem.. I get this message: Could not find drapper-0.8.4 in any of the sources |
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| 10:30.49 | Ouroboro | http://davidjb.com/blog/2012/06/restartreset-usb-in-ubuntu-12-04-without-rebooting | this is interesting |
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| 10:31.00 | Ouroboro | no idea how that works though |
| 10:31.11 | Ouroboro | it will probably erase all your data and kill your cats |
| 10:31.24 | Hardisk | lol |
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| 10:31.27 | nkuttler | naveko: try #ruby |
| 10:31.36 | Hardisk | Hey boss I just FUBAR'ed company datas |
| 10:31.40 | naveko | nkuttler: thanks |
| 10:31.44 | Hardisk | No worries tough, guys from Debian's IRC were cool about it |
| 10:31.44 | Hardisk | :D |
| 10:31.45 | Ouroboro | anyway, this is usually a hardware issue, so rebooting is the cleanest solution |
| 10:31.52 | Hardisk | brb reboot |
| 10:31.58 | Ouroboro | i would also kill the power for a few secs after shuttind down |
| 10:32.03 | Hardisk | ok |
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| 10:32.38 | phix | Ouroboro: I hate cats, so that is ok |
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| 10:33.16 | Hardisk | Now that's funny |
| 10:33.21 | homes | Hardisk: why don't you expand it out, "i logged into a chatroom and they told me to reboot, they also asked what i was wearing" |
| 10:33.22 | Hardisk | It's usually pretty quick to shutdown |
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| 10:33.36 | Hardisk | You might be living a live data failure guys |
| 10:33.40 | Hardisk | Enjoy the moment |
| 10:33.41 | subb1 | hello all. |
| 10:33.45 | Ouroboro | Hardisk: we are |
| 10:33.57 | Hardisk | I just typed shutdown now , ,my SSH closed but I can still ping the machine |
| 10:33.58 | Hardisk | WAT |
| 10:33.59 | korhojoa | This is exciting. |
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| 10:34.09 | phix | Hardisk: haha |
| 10:34.15 | phix | yeah it takes a while to shutdown sometimes |
| 10:34.19 | phix | network is usually the last to go |
| 10:34.20 | Hardisk | Weird |
| 10:34.24 | phix | n the kill scripts |
| 10:34.32 | Ouroboro | i have also had the shutdown command get lost somehow before |
| 10:34.43 | homes | oh man he doesn't know what a shutdowns sequence is, his data is screwed! |
| 10:34.43 | Ouroboro | i waited like an hour and nothing happenes, so i just did it again, worked fine |
| 10:34.44 | Hardisk | Hangon I'll see if I can ssh back into it |
| 10:34.59 | Ouroboro | Hardisk: give it a few min |
| 10:35.06 | Hardisk | Connection refused on SSH, I'll let it settle |
| 10:35.25 | korhojoa | do you haev something like iLO? |
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| 10:35.44 | Hardisk | International Labor Association |
| 10:35.48 | Hardisk | I'm gonna go with no |
| 10:35.59 | korhojoa | No, out-of-band kvm |
| 10:36.06 | Hardisk | owh |
| 10:36.06 | Hardisk | no |
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| 10:36.15 | ChrisH | IIRC its a Dell, so its DRAC |
| 10:36.25 | Hardisk | It's a DELL rack machine |
| 10:36.32 | korhojoa | I never know the vendor specific names. What's the proper generic term for it? |
| 10:36.34 | subb1 | I'm using squeeze and I'd like to know if mod-mono-apache4 is available for running asp.net 4 version. Currently I'm running v 2. i'm not able to find any in searches.. kindly advise |
| 10:36.49 | Ouroboro | korhojoa: lom i think |
| 10:36.50 | ChrisH | Hardisk: then i should have a DRAC access |
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| 10:37.13 | subb1 | sorry , its mono-apache-server4 ** |
| 10:37.15 | korhojoa | yeah, it should definitely have drac if it's a rackmount |
| 10:37.26 | korhojoa | Ouroboro: lom? what does that stand for |
| 10:37.32 | Ouroboro | lights out management |
| 10:37.47 | ChrisH | korhojoa: The terms I know are: iLOM, alom, LOM, DRAC, XSCF |
| 10:37.57 | korhojoa | ahh. ilo is integrated lights out. so yeah. |
| 10:38.03 | ChrisH | generic: Service Processor |
| 10:38.05 | homes | don't forget the fuckup that was elom |
| 10:38.26 | ChrisH | I had removed that... do not remind me |
| 10:38.31 | homes | ChrisH: put debian on any of your SPARC hosts? |
| 10:38.31 | ChrisH | Another one.. RSC |
| 10:38.33 | Kunsi | DRAC doesn't fully work for me … no windows 7 drivers for DRAC III can be found :/ |
| 10:38.52 | Ouroboro | Hardisk: i am on the edge of my sit |
| 10:38.56 | Ouroboro | s/sit/seat/ |
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| 10:39.07 | ChrisH | homes: I did once on my SS20... but on our customers boxes we run Solaris on them. |
| 10:40.04 | ChrisH | homes: but I installed Debian on a HP/9000 L2000, but that box is recyled meanwhile :( |
| 10:40.18 | korhojoa | smv: any progress? |
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| 10:41.09 | smv | korhojoa, not yet... |
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| 10:43.14 | Hardisk | Back |
| 10:43.24 | Ouroboro | results? |
| 10:43.24 | Hardisk | My laptop decided that a mouse wasn't something I needed , thus shutting it down |
| 10:43.32 | Hardisk | Well hang on i'll open up a Terminal |
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| 10:43.43 | Ouroboro | mouse also usb? |
| 10:43.47 | Hardisk | Lol |
| 10:43.50 | Hardisk | Macbook trackpad |
| 10:43.54 | Hardisk | Unrealiable as hell |
| 10:44.05 | korhojoa | smv: did the finnish repo i provided work? |
| 10:44.37 | Ouroboro | is there any block device that can be used like a fifo? |
| 10:44.39 | Hardisk | Oh fuck me with a broomstick |
| 10:44.46 | Hardisk | Now the server doesn't have network |
| 10:44.50 | Hardisk | Jesus Christ |
| 10:44.52 | Hardisk | be right back |
| 10:44.53 | korhojoa | :| |
| 10:45.10 | korhojoa | This was supposed to be exciting, but turn out well. |
| 10:45.53 | Hardisk | THERE |
| 10:45.55 | Hardisk | Network is back |
| 10:45.58 | Hardisk | Fuck you too , DHCP |
| 10:46.12 | Hardisk | NOW |
| 10:46.14 | Hardisk | Usb |
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| 10:46.54 | STMelon | unplugs HardDisk 's ethernet cord |
| 10:47.06 | STMelon | hides behind the table |
| 10:47.08 | Hardisk | dmesg doesn't seem to be throwing up on my face, let's try to mount now |
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| 10:47.39 | Hardisk | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:47.51 | phix | heh |
| 10:47.56 | Hardisk | I'll replug the disk and check dmesg |
| 10:47.57 | Ouroboro | this is going to end badly for everyone |
| 10:47.59 | phix | testdisk likes to find paritions |
| 10:48.07 | phix | Ouroboro: Thermite? |
| 10:48.07 | ChrisH | Hardisk: lshw -short or blkid without paramter |
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| 10:48.28 | rccc | hello |
| 10:48.41 | rccc | got no sound on debian wheezy with Mate |
| 10:48.44 | phix | hai rccc |
| 10:48.49 | phix | what is Mate? |
| 10:48.52 | rccc | hi phix |
| 10:48.58 | phix | Your friend or an application? |
| 10:48.59 | rccc | a gnome fork |
| 10:49.01 | phix | ah |
| 10:49.03 | phix | I dont use it |
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| 10:49.08 | Hardisk | ChrisH: No clue lshw was a thing, thanks man ! |
| 10:49.10 | phix | but I could try and assist |
| 10:49.17 | rccc | http://mate-desktop.org/ |
| 10:49.26 | babilen | !mate |
| 10:49.26 | dpkg | The MATE Desktop Environment is a fork of GNOME 2 to keep its development active (this is not supported in #debian). http://mate-desktop.org/ #mate on irc.freenode.net. |
| 10:49.34 | babilen | rccc: Try ^^^ |
| 10:49.55 | Hardisk | Ok so it's not recognized |
| 10:49.56 | Hardisk | huh |
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| 10:50.01 | rccc | speaker-test says number of channels not vailable |
| 10:50.14 | phix | babilen: yeah but we may beable to offer support as it is a sound issue, sounds rarely has to do with the windows manager |
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| 10:50.22 | rccc | failure with device configuration |
| 10:50.23 | phix | rccc: ignore babilen |
| 10:50.34 | Hardisk | YEAH |
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| 10:50.40 | babilen | heh |
| 10:50.50 | Hardisk | http://pastebin.com/9F9ygfj8 |
| 10:51.05 | babilen | phix, rccc: Please reproduce the issue /outside/ of Gnome and without anything installed from the MATE repository. |
| 10:51.07 | Hardisk | SDB2 is now a thing |
| 10:51.10 | rccc | one day, i speaker-test gave me some sound, a girl was speaking :) |
| 10:51.16 | phix | babilen: Yeah we are here to help, not fob off people :) if you want to fob off people I suggest you work for a telephone helpdesk company :) |
| 10:51.25 | rccc | but i wasn't able to play a song via VLC |
| 10:51.26 | Hardisk | Recognized by LSHW |
| 10:51.28 | rccc | and today |
| 10:51.28 | babilen | phix: Seriously, drop it. |
| 10:51.32 | Hardisk | Let's see if it mounts |
| 10:51.34 | rccc | speaker-test give error message |
| 10:51.41 | ChrisH | Hardisk: now blkid should show it |
| 10:51.45 | phix | babilen: done, but you stop loose the attitude also |
| 10:51.45 | babilen | dpkg: tell rccc -about alsa checklist |
| 10:51.50 | Hardisk | ChrisH: Indeed |
| 10:52.03 | Ouroboro | ChrisH: thanks, interesting commands |
| 10:52.09 | phix | s/stop// |
| 10:52.22 | babilen | phix: There is no attitude here. #debian simply does not support installations with mate. (it is neither packaged nor deemed fit for packaging by Debian) |
| 10:52.37 | rccc | ok |
| 10:52.47 | Hardisk | WOOT WOOT |
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| 10:52.49 | Hardisk | MOUNTED |
| 10:52.51 | Hardisk | AND LS WORKS |
| 10:52.53 | Hardisk | DONE AND WONE |
| 10:52.57 | Hardisk | WADDUP |
| 10:52.58 | Hardisk | ô/ |
| 10:53.00 | babilen | hence my question to /reprodude/ the error without /anything/ mate related. |
| 10:53.01 | phix | w0000 |
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| 10:53.05 | Hardisk | Allright |
| 10:53.06 | rccc | should i install the awfull GNome 3 |
| 10:53.06 | phix | Hardisk: GO TEAM!! |
| 10:53.09 | babilen | *reproduce |
| 10:53.14 | rccc | ? |
| 10:53.29 | Hardisk | Thanks guys ! Especially for that lshw command, that's useful as hell and I didn't even knew it was a thing |
| 10:53.32 | Hardisk | Have a good one |
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| 10:53.56 | phix | aaawww dont leave us Hardisk |
| 10:54.04 | phix | stay for pie and ounch |
| 10:54.07 | phix | punch* |
| 10:54.08 | babilen | rccc: You can install whatever you want, but also make sure that you remove MATE. See the alsa checklist and play with alsactl (ask our bot about) before that. But note that #debian does /not/ support your setup. (there are plenty of supported alternatives to mate/Gnome such as xfce, lxde and a plethora of window manager) |
| 10:54.22 | jelly | phix: punch and pie are served in #debian-offtopic, not here. |
| 10:54.23 | Hardisk | phix: You make your own homemade ounch? |
| 10:54.26 | Hardisk | phix: I'm so jelly |
| 10:54.30 | Hardisk | LOL |
| 10:54.31 | phix | jelly: aawww |
| 10:54.31 | rccc | babilen: alsastl is not availbale on wheezy |
| 10:54.41 | phix | Hardisk: haha |
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| 10:54.45 | phix | typo :P |
| 10:54.58 | phix | but if you have a spare $200 I could hook you up :) |
| 10:55.03 | jelly | rccc: alsactl |
| 10:55.06 | babilen | rccc: but it is, either way. You know what you have to do. |
| 10:55.19 | Hardisk | phix: Dollars ain't even my national currency ô/ |
| 10:55.28 | jelly | ,file bin/alsactl --release wheezy |
| 10:55.34 | judd | Search for bin/alsactl in wheezy/i386: alsa-utils: usr/sbin/alsactl |
| 10:55.35 | phix | Hardisk: what is then? loonie? |
| 10:55.40 | phix | Hardisk: pounds? |
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| 10:55.59 | rccc | ok |
| 10:55.59 | Hardisk | phix: Euros :P |
| 10:56.00 | babilen | Hardisk, phix: Please take it to -offtopic (for chatting) |
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| 10:56.07 | Hardisk | babilen: sure |
| 10:56.18 | phix | Hardisk: haha, well $140 euros then :) |
| 10:56.20 | rccc | what should i do with alsactl it seems i must provide a command wth it |
| 10:56.26 | phix | haha change the $ for the euro symbol |
| 10:56.30 | phix | I dont have it on this keyboard |
| 10:56.48 | Ouroboro | hmmm |
| 10:56.49 | babilen | rccc: Ask our bot, but /please/ run a supported configuration if you want us to be able to support you. |
| 10:56.58 | babilen | \at phix |
| 10:57.07 | babilen | \at phix |
| 10:57.11 | babilen | wtf |
| 10:57.13 | rccc | babilen: do you think i should install gnome 3 ? |
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| 10:57.45 | rccc | if you think sound should work for debian wheezr with HDA intel sound card and gnome 3 so i will install it |
| 10:57.48 | babilen | rccc: No, you should remove mate (as a lot of their packages conflict with what is packaged in Debian and we simply don't support a Frankendebian like that) |
| 10:58.05 | rccc | ok |
| 10:58.34 | babilen | rccc: But as a special service. Ask our bot about <alsa checklist> and <alsactl> and take it from there. |
| 10:58.43 | rccc | frankendebian: nice expression, but you know that nobosy like the gnome 3 desktop |
| 10:58.51 | rccc | *nobody |
| 10:59.06 | nkuttler | !ot |
| 10:59.06 | dpkg | #debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day. |
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| 10:59.27 | babilen | rccc: Lots of people do, but you don't have to. Use something else if you don't like it. But this is rather offtopic and this discussion leads nowhere, so ^^^^ |
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| 10:59.32 | rccc | i 'm goone to remove Mate :( |
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| 11:00.11 | Ouroboro | is there something that looks like a block device but can be written/read like a fifo device? |
| 11:00.51 | ChrisH | Ouroboro: still fiddleing with wipe? named pipe? |
| 11:00.54 | jelly | Ouroboro: what purpose? |
| 11:01.06 | korhojoa | Ouroboro: rename a fifo to /dev/sdb |
| 11:01.06 | Ouroboro | ChrisH: yeah, trying different ideas |
| 11:01.08 | jelly | !wayttd Ouroboro |
| 11:01.08 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, Ouroboro? |
| 11:01.22 | Ouroboro | jelly: trying to get 'wipe' to output to stdout |
| 11:01.31 | rccc | ok |
| 11:01.34 | jelly | Ouroboro: use the source, Luke. |
| 11:01.41 | Ouroboro | the best i got so far was passing in /dev/tty1 |
| 11:02.04 | rccc | babilen: ok, i don't know where to find some help for my problem |
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| 11:02.23 | rccc | don't know if my sound proble is cause bu Mate or by the wheezy |
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| 11:03.10 | ChrisH | Ouroboro: from man wipe: Wiping over NFS or over a journalling filesystem (ReiserFS etc.) will most probably not work. tested via NFS? |
| 11:03.28 | ChrisH | Ouroboro: or export an iscsi device from your solaris zpool |
| 11:03.44 | jelly | Ouroboro: why do you want to get to wipe's write() via stdout? |
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| 11:04.12 | babilen | rccc: Same here. To make sure that it is not caused by MATE: Remove it (packges + repository) and use something else. Once you've done that: Reboot and complete the alsa checklist and tell us about it. Furthermore show us the output of "cat /etc/apt/sources.list", "apt-cache policy", "aptitude search '?narrow(?not(?archive("^[^n][^o].*$")),?version(CURRENT))'", "cat /proc/asound/cards" on http://paste.debian.net |
| 11:04.48 | Ouroboro | jelly: so i can get a copy of its random stream. this is my ghetto replacement for badblocks |
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| 11:05.07 | babilen | rccc: It would also be of interest to learn if you have pulseaudio installed and please also include the output of "aplay -L" |
| 11:05.21 | Ouroboro | mostly i now just want to know why this doesnt work |
| 11:05.32 | jelly | Ouroboro: it's a reasonably small app. Get the source and fiddle with it. |
| 11:05.33 | Ouroboro | i just remembered about strace :) |
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| 11:05.53 | Ouroboro | jelly: fair enough |
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| 11:08.02 | babilen | rccc: I also take it that you've tried "speaker-test -twav" and that you've read its manpage. Pay close attention to the relation between "aplay -L" and speaker-test's "-D" option. Give that a rundown too. Continue with "alsactl init" and check if /that/ makes a difference, but make sure to show me the output of the other commands first. |
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| 11:08.12 | babilen | "-t wav" |
| 11:10.01 | shakaponk | hey guyz, installing android sdk + eclipse and so on, for android development. but got problems with the ia32-libs. can't install (64bit arch) added i386 arch tried to install again but aptitude wans to remove a lot of important stuff. that could not be right... look here: http://pastebin.com/C51vnFUt can anyone give me an advice? |
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| 11:11.21 | babilen | shakaponk: ia32 libs have been deprecated in favour of multiarch. (cf. "/msg dpkg multiarch" and in particular the How-To on the wiki) |
| 11:11.28 | Ouroboro | wow, wipe is some crazy spaghetti code :) |
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| 11:11.44 | Ouroboro | like 10-level deep if-else going on :) |
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| 11:12.20 | shakaponk | babilen: thx, i'll read |
| 11:12.21 | babilen | shakaponk: Which version of Debian did you use? You should be able to simply install the SDK and Eclipse from the repository (at least I was under the impression that the android sdk has been packaged by now) |
| 11:12.23 | Ouroboro | anyway, i think this explains it: S_ISREG(st.st_mode) || S_ISBLK(st.st_mode) || S_ISCHR(st.st_mode) |
| 11:12.29 | babilen | s/did/do/ |
| 11:12.32 | shakaponk | babilen: wheezy |
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| 11:12.47 | babilen | shakaponk: ack (I thought so, but assumptions are bad) |
| 11:13.03 | shakaponk | babilen: what do you mean? |
| 11:13.07 | babilen | shakaponk: Either way: /all/ ia32-* libs are deprecated and you shouldn't use them at all. |
| 11:13.24 | babilen | shakaponk: You could have been using something else and if I assumed that you use wheezy I might have given bad advice. |
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| 11:13.49 | shakaponk | babilen: i got a book, and there is a hint, if the the program abg doesnt work i should install this package... |
| 11:14.21 | shakaponk | babilen: so now i have no glue how to fix it |
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| 11:15.29 | babilen | shakaponk: adb is packaged |
| 11:15.41 | babilen | ,v android-tools-adb |
| 11:15.42 | judd | Package: android-tools-adb on i386 -- sid: 4.1.1+git20120801-1 |
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| 11:16.52 | shakaponk | babilen, judd: i'm not the experienced user with linux, what does it mean? i have to download it somewhere else and install? |
| 11:16.55 | babilen | shakaponk: Oh, but it is not in wheezy. You can probably grab it from sid. What you want to do though is to install the i386 package and then just pull in its dependencies. (apt-get -f install) -- Being able to do that is the whole point of multiarch. The ia32- hacks are deprecated in wheezy in favour of simply supporting native installs. |
| 11:16.59 | shakaponk | did it through eclipse |
| 11:17.10 | babilen | You did what through eclipse? |
| 11:17.20 | babilen | How did you install Eclipse? |
| 11:17.32 | shakaponk | installed the android plugin and android sdk |
| 11:20.40 | atomfire | babilen: so I can install i386 packages in my 64 bit install by running apt-get -f install after installing them? |
| 11:20.43 | shakaponk | babilen: just downloaded it and extracted :-) |
| 11:20.45 | Ouroboro | jelly: interesting, apparently passing /dev/stdout works |
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| 11:22.20 | Ouroboro | actually, 'wipe /dev/stdout > a' works, but 'wipe /dev/stdout | foo' does not, how can we explain this |
| 11:22.37 | Ouroboro | or rather, where does the output from the second command go? |
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| 11:23.55 | babilen | atomfire: Read http://wiki.debian.org/Multiarch/HOWTO -- that allows you to install i386 packages directly. A bunch of these packages are /not/ in the Debian archives and their dependencies might not be installed automatically. You would then use "apt-get -f install" (fix broken dependencies) to install the missing dependencies. |
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| 11:24.10 | homes | Ouroboro: i lost track, whats the goal in this? |
| 11:24.21 | Ouroboro | i dont even know anymore |
| 11:24.48 | Ouroboro | right now i am just trying to figure out what /dev/stdout is supposed to be |
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| 11:25.11 | homes | man bash, search for /dev/stdout |
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| 11:25.33 | babilen | shakaponk: I guess that the Eclipse "package manager" messes this up and installs an incompatible version of the SDK. The SDK itself has not been packages AFAICT, but you should be able to install the i386 package (if there is no native amd64 one) directly on wheezy. (see the aforementioned multiarch howto and maybe ask in #android for help with that) |
| 11:26.12 | atomfire | babilen: thank you very much |
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| 11:27.42 | shakaponk | babilen: yeah, i already read that. and tried. but when i add arch and try to install, it wants to uninstall a lot of stuff. and i mean a lot. important stuff |
| 11:27.50 | babilen | atomfire: The "-f" does not mean "force" but "fix broken dependencies" -- This causes some confusion, but the behaviour makes sense as soon as you realise this. |
| 11:27.55 | shakaponk | but i'm tryin it with apt-get -f |
| 11:28.15 | atomfire | babilen: I only recently learned that, I had always assumed it meant 'force' as well. |
| 11:28.26 | babilen | shakaponk: You have to show me the output and /exact/ commands and configuration in order to be able to debug that. (on http://paste.debian.net preferrably) |
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| 11:28.55 | babilen | shakaponk: Note that #debian can't and will not support the Android packages themselves (ask in #android for that), but I can help with the multiarch part. |
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| 11:29.16 | shakaponk | posted it in my first post... here it is: http://pastebin.com/wWvir4w7 |
| 11:29.20 | rccc | babilen: you know onMate IrC the guys says that they are using debain and they got no problem |
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| 11:29.31 | rccc | one days speaker-test was working for me |
| 11:29.48 | shakaponk | babilen sorry wrong one |
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| 11:30.07 | shakaponk | babilen: http://pastebin.com/C51vnFUt |
| 11:30.24 | babilen | rccc: Fair enough. We still cannot support that setup, which places you in a bad position support-wise (at least in #debian) but that is how it is. We simply don't know what the deal is and I know that MATE ships /a lot/ of stuff that conflicts with services that provide similar functionality. |
| 11:30.32 | babilen | shakaponk: ta |
| 11:30.48 | rccc | babilen: i understand |
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| 11:31.04 | rccc | speaker-test -t wav give me the same error messsage |
| 11:31.18 | andiolsi | hi, i want to ignore the dependency on one specific package, so that a meta package does not install it. i pinned the package to -1, that prevents its installation, but sadly it causes a dependency error for the meta package. is there a solution? |
| 11:31.25 | rccc | aplay -L give me a list of info that i can't paste ( 20 lines ) |
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| 11:32.15 | babilen | shakaponk: You /do not need/ ia32-libs -- They are completely deprecated and obsolete. Whatever needs/depends on them is broken and shouldn't be used. I therefore suggest to isntall the SDK in a different (supported!) way. I don't know if and how you can do that with Eclipse or even if that is supported. You should, however, be able to download the SDK package (i386 one) from wherever one downloads it from google. Ask in #android where to find it. |
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| 11:32.28 | nkuttler | andiolsi: equivs |
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| 11:33.06 | babilen | rccc: And to be fair: I gave you a bazillion commands that allow you to debug this issue in more details. I simply request that you use a supported configuration if you want help with that though. (I think that is fair) |
| 11:33.15 | andiolsi | nkuttler: sounds good, thx |
| 11:33.20 | Ouroboro | homes: well, if this is bash redirection issue, i tried ln -s /dev/stdout a, then 'wipe a > b' works, but 'wipe a | foo' still gets no output |
| 11:33.33 | Ouroboro | homes: same thing with 'wipe a > pipe' |
| 11:33.52 | Ouroboro | anyway, i think i am doing something stupid |
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| 11:34.14 | shakaponk | babilen: hmm, well that was a late advice :-d and i already installed it. but it gives me just another error. a different one. as you said. broken dependencies. how to remove it? apt-get remove ia32-libs? |
| 11:34.19 | rccc | babilen: thanks for the command but i did them a many times in the last past month |
| 11:34.51 | rccc | you know i looked for a tons of forum message before coming here |
| 11:34.53 | babilen | shakaponk: Apart from that: You seem to have a bit of an outdated system. You should upgrade first and take it from there. |
| 11:34.59 | rccc | really a tons |
| 11:35.22 | rccc | so i really sure ti have done all of these command many times |
| 11:35.25 | shakaponk | babilen: just installed it few days ago |
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| 11:35.52 | shakaponk | how can i remove the stuff installed with ia32-libs? |
| 11:36.19 | rccc | ok for the group, mutu /unmute channels/ check alsamixer , i even toglled jack sense before comming here, start and reconfire pusleaudio |
| 11:36.31 | rccc | reconfigure alsa |
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| 11:36.49 | babilen | rccc: I believe you. It is simply that I (and the channel rules) stipulate that you have to run a pure Debian system if you want support in here. So /please/ do that and show me the output of /all/ those commands on http://paste.debian.net if you want further support in here. |
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| 11:37.28 | rccc | ok |
| 11:37.42 | babilen | shakaponk: Purge ia32-libs (aptitude purge '~i~n^ia32') |
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| 11:39.44 | shakaponk | babilen: seems not to work this way : installed about 190mb and removing 227kb? |
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| 11:41.13 | babilen | shakaponk: Show me the output please (but don't do anything yet) -- Also show me the output of "dpkg -l '*ia32'", "aptitude search ~o" and "aptitude search ~b" on http://paste.debian.net please |
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| 11:41.42 | shakaponk | babilen: hold on a second |
| 11:42.23 | babilen | shakaponk: The SDK and the plugin are currently being packaged, but that work is not yet done btw. (cf. #459219 and #687057 on http://bugs.debian.org ) |
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| 11:43.30 | shakaponk | babilen: www.pastebin.com/S83hV6XS |
| 11:43.56 | babilen | shakaponk: You /can/ download a 32bit package for the SDK directly from upstream. But /please please please/ ask in #android where to find it and how to integrate that with Eclipse. See http://developer.android.com/sdk/index.html ... but seriously, you should have done that work yourself. |
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| 11:44.52 | babilen | shakaponk: Yeah, that looks fine. What about the rest of the commands? And could you use http://paste.debian.net or http://refheap.com or http://gist.github.com or another pastebin that isn't pastebin.com ? |
| 11:45.21 | shakaponk | babilen: sure, didn't know that its a problem |
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| 11:45.43 | TomyBook | i want to make one source package that creates multiple binary packages. i've only done that for metapackages so far so I'm not exactly experienced there. can anyone recommend a guide? |
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| 11:45.55 | shakaponk | babilen: hold on for the rest |
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| 11:46.47 | TomyBook | oh crap, pastebin.com has animated advertisement too now? *installs adblocker* |
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| 11:47.15 | DelphiWorld | Sup everyone |
| 11:47.28 | TomyBook | !sup |
| 11:47.28 | dpkg | Sup is a console mail user agent written in Ruby, intended for people with a lot of email. Inspired by <mutt> and <Gmail>. Packaged for Debian as sup-mail. http://sup.rubyforge.org/ #sup on irc.freenode.net. |
| 11:47.29 | DelphiWorld | i always ask this Question but i always have no luck over it. |
| 11:47.39 | DelphiWorld | how a blind person can install debian ... |
| 11:47.53 | DelphiWorld | i now need to reinstall my home debian but always need a sighted person |
| 11:48.12 | babilen | TomyBook: You might want to ask packaging related questions in #debian-mentors ... I am not sure if that is discussed in the NMG (new maintainer's guide), but you might want to have a look at that. It is not really much magic, you essentially have multiple entried in debian/control (one for each package) and they are all built from the same source package. helper tools also accept configuration in debian/PKG.install (and other) -- But take it to ... |
| 11:48.19 | babilen | ... #d-mentors on irc.oftc.net please |
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| 11:48.24 | hellyeah | hey |
| 11:48.27 | TomyBook | thans, i'll check there |
| 11:48.33 | hellyeah | my eth0 doesnt work |
| 11:48.58 | shakaponk | babilen: here it comes paste.debian.net/232635 and as i said, i've been reading a book and tried to do it their way |
| 11:49.00 | Ouroboro | DelphiWorld: how do you install other OSes ? |
| 11:49.13 | DelphiWorld | Ouroboro: cant for now |
| 11:49.17 | babilen | DelphiWorld: I don't think that it is possible as you need to at least get the screen reader (was it orca?) to work first. That requires being able to see for /a very short time/ at the beginning IIRC. But I am not /that/ familiar with these technologies and this might have changed. |
| 11:49.19 | DelphiWorld | Ouroboro: always need a sighted person |
| 11:49.40 | babilen | DelphiWorld: Let me see if I can find somebody from the accessibility team (or a channel) whom you can ask about that. |
| 11:49.51 | DelphiWorld | babilen: truely. but is there any way to run the installer using ssh? |
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| 11:50.03 | hellyeah | how can i check eth0 working properly |
| 11:50.12 | DelphiWorld | babilen: at least i want to run the installer on a existing debian host |
| 11:50.36 | DelphiWorld | hellyeah: pastebin your network interface config |
| 11:50.47 | hellyeah | ifconfig? |
| 11:51.03 | TomyBook | DelphiWorld, why do you want to reinstall btw? you can update from one debian version to another without reinstalling |
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| 11:51.38 | babilen | DelphiWorld: yeah, that works but IIRC you need to start /that/ too. (for which you would be able to read the boot procedure and the very first installer prompts) |
| 11:51.40 | DelphiWorld | TomyBook: LAWL. i has proxmox installed on my machine and i want to revert to a proper debian |
| 11:51.41 | hellyeah | DelphiWorld: http://dpaste.com/914671/ |
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| 11:51.52 | TomyBook | ah :) |
| 11:51.56 | DelphiWorld | hellyeah: not ifconfig |
| 11:52.02 | hellyeah | which one |
| 11:52.04 | DelphiWorld | hellyeah: /etc/network/interfaces |
| 11:52.11 | hellyeah | hmm okey |
| 11:52.24 | babilen | DelphiWorld: But don't take my word for it. That is simply my naïve assumption. I would ask that question on https://lists.debian.org/debian-accessibility/ and I sincerely hope that you /can/ find a way. I am simply not familiar enough to give an authorative answer. |
| 11:52.27 | Ouroboro | hellyeah: is your cable plugged in? |
| 11:52.45 | hellyeah | yeah |
| 11:52.47 | rccc | babilen: http://pastie.org/6094488 |
| 11:52.56 | DelphiWorld | babilen: awesome, i will |
| 11:52.59 | babilen | hellyeah: /how/ do you (want) to configure it? |
| 11:53.07 | hellyeah | http://dpaste.com/914672/ |
| 11:53.28 | hellyeah | babilen: in old time, dhclient made this for me |
| 11:53.44 | babilen | DelphiWorld: If you figure something out let me know. That allows me to provide better help in the future. Sorry, but I simply never had to deal with that problem myself. I deem it /very/ important though and would hope that a solution has been found by now. |
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| 11:54.15 | DelphiWorld | babilen: dont wory |
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| 11:54.21 | Ouroboro | hellyeah: put this in network/interface on two lines: allow-hotplug eth0 iface eth0 inet dhcp |
| 11:54.27 | babilen | hellyeah: Do you want to use network-manager? How did you try to configure the interface? What exactly doesn't work? |
| 11:54.31 | DelphiWorld | hellyeah: i dont see eth0 defined |
| 11:54.35 | babilen | rccc: one second please |
| 11:54.40 | hellyeah | Ouroboro: in the beggining |
| 11:54.49 | Ouroboro | anywhere you want |
| 11:54.57 | DelphiWorld | babilen: i think i found a idea |
| 11:54.59 | babilen | recommends a short pause |
| 11:55.06 | hellyeah | i just want to use ethernet connection |
| 11:55.15 | hellyeah | because i need to connect my modem interface |
| 11:55.22 | Ouroboro | hellyeah: then after that, do 'ifup eth0' on command line |
| 11:55.22 | DelphiWorld | babilen: there is a alix installation image. i dd it into a flash and access it using my windows using serial ;) |
| 11:55.37 | babilen | hellyeah: do you want to use network-manager? could you tell us a bit about your setup (do you use Xorg, a desktop environment, ..., do you switch between networks or is it static, ...) |
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| 11:56.06 | hellyeah | i have xorg, wicd |
| 11:56.34 | babilen | hellyeah: And you want wicd to manage your ethernet /and/ wireless? |
| 11:56.44 | hellyeah | "yes |
| 11:57.07 | babilen | hellyeah: In that case: Remove the entries for wlan0 from /etc/network/interfaces -- Please also paste the output of "lspci -nn|grep -i ethernet" to http://paste.debian.net |
| 11:57.12 | blubberdiblub | DelphiWorld, babilen, you could also use preseeding to get the installer beyond starting ssh, i guess |
| 11:57.27 | DelphiWorld | blubberdiblub: but the default dont do it, no ? |
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| 11:57.36 | babilen | hellyeah: btw, network-manager has a lot more features than wicd these days and wicd nearly died last year. I would recommend to give it a second look. |
| 11:57.44 | babilen | will be back in a few minutes |
| 11:58.03 | hellyeah | you mean gnome-network-manager babilen |
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| 11:58.24 | koollman | wicd works quite decently for me :) |
| 11:58.30 | ectospasm | network-manager is a separate package |
| 11:58.31 | blubberdiblub | DelphiWorld, well, as babilen said, the ssh usually has to be started manually from within the installer, for which you need to see it. but i think you can preseed it up to that point |
| 11:58.37 | ectospasm | wicd didn't work when I tried it |
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| 11:58.45 | ectospasm | it also doesn't have integrated VPN support. |
| 11:58.54 | DelphiWorld | blubberdiblub: you see... so same issue :) |
| 11:59.13 | DelphiWorld | EyesIsMine: i wish i could have eyes :P give me yours! :P |
| 11:59.23 | blubberdiblub | DelphiWorld, well, but preseeding would work for you, i guess |
| 11:59.34 | DelphiWorld | blubberdiblub: what is preseeding ? |
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| 12:00.02 | Ouroboro | do they make devices that render images in tactile way? |
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| 12:00.04 | blubberdiblub | DelphiWorld, it's like feeding preset answers to the installer |
| 12:00.14 | babilen | hellyeah: Yeah, I am referring to network-manager-gnome (purge wicd if you want to use it) -- Either way: In order for both to manage your wlan you need to remove the wlan0 entries from /etc/network/interfaces and regarding your ethernet I need to see the lspci output |
| 12:00.15 | DelphiWorld | blubberdiblub: but how |
| 12:00.20 | blubberdiblub | !tell DelphiWorld about preseeding |
| 12:00.34 | f4cl3y | s |
| 12:00.43 | hellyeah | sdf |
| 12:00.52 | babilen | blubberdiblub, DelphiWorld: yeah, preseeding that might be an option, but I would discuss it on the accessibility mailing list as I am sure that this topic came up before. |
| 12:00.59 | f4cl3y | lol |
| 12:01.00 | babilen | finally takes a look at rccc's paste |
| 12:01.02 | blubberdiblub | DelphiWorld, there are several ways to do it. since you have a VM anyway, there are ways to start the guest kernel with preset kernel parameters |
| 12:01.08 | f4cl3y | sorry guys, misstypo xD |
| 12:01.12 | babilen | np |
| 12:01.18 | hellyeah | babilen: http://dpaste.com/914674/ |
| 12:01.27 | DelphiWorld | blubberdiblub: let's go to a private room :) |
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| 12:01.32 | babilen | ,pciid 11ab:4380 |
| 12:01.34 | judd | [11ab:4380] is '88E8057 PCI-E Gigabit Ethernet Controller' from 'Marvell Technology Group Ltd.' with kernel module 'sky2' in squeeze. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=11ab:4380 http://wiki.debian.org/sky2 |
| 12:01.39 | babilen | hellyeah: Which version of Debian? |
| 12:01.41 | blubberdiblub | babilen, yes, it's important to get it working out of the box |
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| 12:01.50 | hellyeah | wheezy |
| 12:01.58 | blubberdiblub | DelphiWorld, not now, sorry, i'm at work. i don't have that much time |
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| 12:02.19 | babilen | hellyeah: Should work fine. Please make the suggested changes and try again. |
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| 12:02.39 | hellyeah | do i need to remove wireless lines in interface to use eth0 |
| 12:03.04 | DelphiWorld | hellyeah: depand on your setup, if they are on the same network i recomand to disable it |
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| 12:03.32 | hellyeah | okey |
| 12:03.35 | babilen | rccc: May I see the output of "apt-cache policy ; aptitude search ~o" please? Also paste that of "lspci -n" to http://paste.debian.net |
| 12:03.47 | hellyeah | either my eternet cable is out of work or something really supid |
| 12:03.51 | hellyeah | stupid*, |
| 12:04.24 | babilen | hellyeah: No, you don't have to make any changes to your wireless configuration to use ethernet. You /do/ need to make these changes if you want to use network-manager or wicd though. |
| 12:04.33 | rccc | :p paste.debian didn't let me paste anything - specials chars it didn't like, will ty agin |
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| 12:04.50 | babilen | rccc: use another pastebin then ... just not pastebin.com |
| 12:05.17 | babilen | hellyeah: Is the link light blinking? Could you paste try network-manager? What does "ethtool eth0" give you? What about "ifconfig eth0 up ; dhclient eth0" ? |
| 12:05.26 | babilen | hellyeah: (you might have to install ethtool) |
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| 12:06.06 | hellyeah | ethtool okey |
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| 12:08.03 | DelphiWorld | welcome back dpkg :P |
| 12:08.08 | rccc | babilen: http://pastie.org/6094591 |
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| 12:08.19 | rccc | pstie.org seems no too bad ... |
| 12:09.33 | babilen | rccc: ... haven't we been over this? You /still/ have Mate in there and I guess that you still run it. #debian does not support that. really. Take it to #linux or #mate or #alsa or ... whatever. There are million of channels, but this one is not right. |
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| 12:11.31 | rccc | arf ... sorry |
| 12:12.03 | babilen | hellyeah: brb, please also try network-manager and purge wicd (just to gather more data, paste the manual commands ...) |
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| 12:12.47 | Ouroboro | hellyeah: if you dont see RUNNING in ifconfig, then your cable is probably not plugged in |
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| 12:15.07 | smv | korhojoa, still no progress. had to recheck the whole network, no problems thou. apt just can't download files from any server except security.d.o. |
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| 12:18.07 | Nebukadneza | heyyas |
| 12:18.11 | phix | OH HAI HAI! |
| 12:18.39 | folivora | Hello, where I can dowload wheezy image which has non-free firmware. I cant find the correct page |
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| 12:19.19 | Nebukadneza | say, i'd like to inhibit the automatic upgrading of a certain package, and i have put the following in /etc/apt/preferences: http://nopaste.ghostdub.de/?703 -- however, when aptitude upgrade'ing, this package still gets upgraded. what did i do wrong? :/ |
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| 12:20.27 | ectospasm | !pinning | Nebukadneza |
| 12:21.08 | Nebukadneza | i've read the documentation (even though that bot doesn't seem to send me anything right now). if i had understood it correctly this would be working and i wouldn't have to ask ;) |
| 12:21.19 | Nebukadneza | i'm asking solely because i seem to misunderstand the documentation |
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| 12:21.41 | ectospasm | I don't use pinning myself, so I can't answer it. |
| 12:21.53 | ectospasm | ...but there are a lot more than just the official guides out there. |
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| 12:24.35 | korhojoa | smv: hm. so download the apt .deb and reinstall it? |
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| 12:25.23 | babilen | hellyeah: ping |
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| 12:29.22 | damel | hey all. I'm having problems installing mysql-server. dpkg --configure errors. Is there a file for the configs? or where I can check out the code that is not working? |
| 12:29.52 | phix | pastebin.ca the errors |
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| 12:32.23 | babilen | dpkg: tell damel -about bat |
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| 12:32.41 | damel | http://pastebin.com/9vg8e4V3 |
| 12:32.47 | EasyAsPie | hi damel |
| 12:32.57 | damel | hey EasyAsPie :) |
| 12:33.13 | EasyAsPie | how r u? |
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| 12:33.46 | damel | doing good...frusterated that I cant get mysql-server working...other wise good..you? |
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| 12:34.46 | babilen | damel: Please include further information (debian version, apt-cache policy output, ...) -- Would you mind editing /var/lib/dpkg/info/mysql-server-5.5.postinst? Please add "set -x" after "set -e" and re-reun dpkg-reconfigure. |
| 12:34.47 | phix | werd up! |
| 12:35.01 | phix | damel: I suggest you use postgresql instead |
| 12:35.07 | damel | I saw...working on it ;) |
| 12:35.07 | phix | it is far superior |
| 12:35.16 | damel | you guys want the original install? |
| 12:35.18 | phix | even firebird is better |
| 12:35.28 | damel | or the 'retry' |
| 12:35.29 | babilen | damel: What do you mean by "original install" ? |
| 12:35.50 | damel | the first time I ran apt-get install mysql-server |
| 12:35.51 | babilen | damel: Paste as much information as possible. The worst that could happen is that it doesn't help. |
| 12:35.57 | damel | hehe |
| 12:36.00 | damel | ok will do |
| 12:36.02 | babilen | (and don't use pastebin.com please) |
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| 12:36.32 | phix | use pastebin.ca |
| 12:37.38 | babilen | damel: You might want to try a manual "service mysql start" too .. and we typically prefer http://paste.debian.net here, but other pastebins (that are not as horrible as pastebin.com) are fine. (refheap.com, pastie.org, gist.github.com, ...) |
| 12:37.54 | phix | damel: sudo apt-get install postgresql |
| 12:38.27 | babilen | phix: Drop it please. damel needs help with a mysql-server installation and is probably well aware of different database servers. |
| 12:38.28 | phix | sudp apt-get --purge remove mysql |
| 12:38.46 | phix | babilen: If he is using Mysql then he is not aware of different database servers |
| 12:39.05 | damel | lol |
| 12:39.37 | damel | paste.debian.net does not give me a link...its the name that I give you guys? |
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| 12:39.47 | phix | use pastebin.ca |
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| 12:39.54 | phix | it is fast and Canadian! |
| 12:39.56 | phix | OH CANDA! |
| 12:40.01 | babilen | phix: You already mentioned postgres and if damel wants to use it (s)he is free to do so. Please refrain from asking users to execute potentially damaging commands. |
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| 12:40.12 | damel | should be my name maybe |
| 12:40.12 | damel | lol |
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| 12:40.48 | damel | apt-get log : http://paste.debian.net/232641/ |
| 12:41.03 | damel | thats the last remove + install |
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| 12:41.25 | babilen | phix: Seriously. Learn to concentrate on the task at hand and refrain from off-topic chatter and in particular from offering advice that might cause users losing data. |
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| 12:42.07 | babilen | damel: Thanks, one moment please. |
| 12:43.51 | babilen | damel: What about "apt-cache policy ; apt-cache policy mysql-server mysql-server-5.5" and "service mysql start" + the "set -x" postinst ? (add it to http://paste.debian.net/232641/ with "Paste as new") |
| 12:43.58 | damel | apt-cashe showpkg : thttp://paste.debian.net/232643/ |
| 12:45.19 | tjiggi_fo | http://paste.debian.net/232643/ |
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| 12:46.06 | damel | whats the "set-x" postinst ? |
| 12:46.29 | TomyBook | <phix> babilen: If he is using Mysql then he is not aware of different database servers |
| 12:46.45 | TomyBook | i cant decide where to begin pointing out the stupidity in that statement |
| 12:46.53 | TomyBook | ever heard of legacy systems? |
| 12:47.37 | damel | hehe |
| 12:47.59 | damel | "apt-cache policy ; apt-cache policy mysql-server mysql-server-5.5" and "service mysql start" : http://paste.debian.net/232644/ |
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| 12:48.21 | damel | not sure what the "set -x" postinst is though..sorry :( |
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| 12:49.46 | sharky | TomyBook, I don't think phix was doing it intentionally, he just needs to learn a thing or two |
| 12:50.13 | damel | or three ;) |
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| 12:50.19 | TomyBook | stupidity doesn't imply intention :) |
| 12:50.21 | sharky | :D |
| 12:50.26 | damel | hehe |
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| 12:50.38 | ectospasm | Do not attribute to malice what can better attributed to stupidity. |
| 12:50.49 | ectospasm | s/r a/r be a/ |
| 12:50.57 | damel | but hey...I'm up for a debat about what are the best sql servers :) |
| 12:51.07 | damel | but in this case I do need mysql |
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| 12:51.35 | babilen | damel: I am referring to editing the postinst of mysql-server-5.5 and adding "set -x" after "set -e" before re-running "dpkg --configure -a" (as discussed earlier) |
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| 12:52.16 | babilen | Could we please move on? I would rather help damel than focus on these meta-discussions :) |
| 12:52.44 | damel | where is the postinst ? |
| 12:52.58 | damel | sorry never really ever had any install problems like this |
| 12:53.25 | damel | that were not at least fixed by removing and reinstalling the program..hehe |
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| 12:55.38 | sharky | damel, to me it seems it is some configuration problem, maybe some conf scripts are not deleted after remove |
| 12:56.27 | sharky | normally all the data of the server is in /usr/local/mysql/ |
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| 12:57.36 | sharky | so if you want maybe you can try to remove it with apt-get, then remove manually the directory and install again |
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| 12:58.05 | sharky | *if it the directory is not removed automatically |
| 12:58.23 | damel | sharky : good idea, I already tried that though |
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| 12:58.28 | damel | I thought the same thing |
| 12:59.16 | damel | I did a remove, a perge then deleted the directories..then reinstalled the package |
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| 12:59.27 | damel | gave the same results :( |
| 12:59.32 | babilen | damel: Ok, sorry I was busy somewhere else. (guess what!) -- Did you paste the "apt-cache policy" and "service mysql start" output? Did you also edit the postinst package and added "set -x" after "set -e" in there? |
| 13:00.20 | damel | babilen : yup - http://paste.debian.net/232644/ |
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| 13:00.38 | damel | where is the postinst located ? |
| 13:00.50 | damel | thats the only thing I did not add |
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| 13:01.18 | babilen | damel: Ah, I mentioned that before "12:34:45 babilen → damel: Please include further information (debian version, apt-cache policy output, ...) -- Would you mind editing /var/lib/dpkg/info/mysql-server-5.5.postinst? Please add "set -x" after "set -e" and re-reun dpkg-reconfigure." -- but let me take a look first. |
| 13:01.46 | babilen | damel: What does "service mysql start" give you? |
| 13:01.51 | damel | gotcha |
| 13:01.56 | damel | sorry did not see that :\ |
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| 13:03.20 | damel | its at the end of the last paste bin |
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| 13:03.49 | damel | [FAIL] Starting MySQL database server: mysqld . . . . . . . . . . . . . . failed! |
| 13:03.55 | damel | thats it |
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| 13:05.39 | damel | --configure after 'set -x' : http://paste.debian.net/232649/ |
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| 13:07.01 | babilen | damel: The command is "set -x" /not/ "sex" :) |
| 13:07.22 | damel | lol |
| 13:07.23 | sharky | damel, your server is naughty |
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| 13:07.30 | babilen | damel: Also edit the mysql init script and add "set -x" there too before running it again with "service mysql start" |
| 13:07.31 | damel | sorry about aht |
| 13:07.33 | damel | that even |
| 13:07.48 | jhutchins_wk | damel: Have you done anything to set up a database? |
| 13:08.08 | jhutchins_wk | damel: Or is this a raw, fresh install? |
| 13:08.10 | damel | jhutchins_wk : no |
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| 13:08.15 | damel | fresh install |
| 13:08.40 | babilen | damel: It looks as if you had some configuration before. It /might/ be a bug though, but I would like to see which command /exactly/ causes the problem. |
| 13:08.54 | uberdub | Anybody care to help troubleshoot why bluetooth management doesnt see my bluetooth internal adapter? |
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| 13:10.50 | korhojoa | uberdub: what have you tried |
| 13:11.33 | babilen | damel: I'll be back in a second |
| 13:11.43 | damel | ok :) |
| 13:12.02 | damel | the REAL --configure after 'set -x' : http://paste.debian.net/232653/ |
| 13:12.03 | uberdub | installed bluedevil, bluez, the atheros firmware. |
| 13:12.36 | damel | looks like its when the server tries to start...not even sure why it does that during the install |
| 13:13.19 | uberdub | trying to get my ps3 controller working in debian |
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| 13:15.18 | babilen | damel: Ok, undo your changes to the postinst and edit the init script (add "set -x" there too) .. then run "service mysql start" and show us the output. |
| 13:15.59 | korhojoa | uberdub: so it it showing in lshw? |
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| 13:16.33 | babilen | damel: And this is a completely pristine new installation of wheezy? How did you install it? Could I see your sources.list and the output of "apt-cache policy mysql-server mysql-server-5.5" please? |
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| 13:17.13 | smv | korhojoa, can you give me a link for the apt package? can't find it via packages.d.o ... |
| 13:17.21 | uberdub | one sec korhojoa, I dont seem to have lshw |
| 13:17.25 | smv | ugh, i'm blind :)) |
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| 13:20.01 | uberdub | lshw just says "pci (sysfs)" |
| 13:20.12 | korhojoa | give it time, it'll print stuff soon |
| 13:20.19 | uberdub | ok |
| 13:20.24 | damel | service mysql start with 'set -x' : http://paste.debian.net/232656/ |
| 13:21.16 | damel | apt-cache policy mysql-server mysql-server-5.5 is in here - http://paste.debian.net/232644/ |
| 13:21.43 | babilen | damel: Do you have a /var/run/mysqld/mysqld.pid ? Can you "cat /var/run/mysqld/mysqld.pid" ? |
| 13:22.09 | damel | no |
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| 13:22.27 | damel | cat: /var/run/mysqld/mysqld.pid: No such file or directory |
| 13:22.39 | babilen | damel: What about /run/mysql*/*.pid ? |
| 13:23.06 | damel | bash: /run/mysql*/*.pid: No such file or directory |
| 13:23.12 | babilen | I guess I have to get that init script and take a look at it myself :) |
| 13:24.02 | babilen | damel: Would you mind checking on http://bugs.debian.org for bugs about this? I see that this is on armhf and it might be specific to that (shouldn't though, but lets see) |
| 13:24.22 | damel | ok..will do |
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| 13:25.13 | damel | i did do LOTS of searches before...and more specifically for armhf...may it just seems like its the standard 'bug' when something does not install |
| 13:25.33 | damel | but i did not check http://bugs.debian.org |
| 13:25.38 | damel | bbiaf :) |
| 13:26.21 | JNSamuel | diaf? |
| 13:26.27 | sharky | damel, I can offer you worst case scenario, but it is not the debian way |
| 13:26.49 | SomeoneWeird | is it possible to temporarily set everything (in a shell) to use a different version of (g)libc? |
| 13:26.55 | damel | hehe..whats that? |
| 13:27.03 | damel | reinstall debian? |
| 13:27.09 | babilen | damel: Btw, are you sure that http://paste.debian.net/232656/ is the /complete/ output? From reading the init script I would expect checks about /etc/mysql/my.cnf for example ... |
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| 13:27.48 | sharky | damel, no installing mariadb from source |
| 13:28.01 | damel | no...you are right...does not look like I pasted the whole think..just everything that was in my terminal |
| 13:28.02 | sharky | with complete how to step by step |
| 13:28.29 | damel | is there a log file for the config babilen ? |
| 13:28.30 | uberdub | korhojoa lshw shows my atheros card, but doesnt seem to mention the bluetooth |
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| 13:28.56 | damel | i will just create one ..hehe |
| 13:29.21 | babilen | damel: Could you please paste the /entire/ output. I simply can't see why mysql does not start without that ... and what you pasted does not align with the init script. |
| 13:29.35 | damel | gotcha |
| 13:29.38 | damel | sorry about that |
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| 13:30.18 | babilen | damel: I mean I see that the script expects mysqld to run (which it does not), but I don't see why it doesn't or what happened before. |
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| 13:30.49 | damel | I understand...getting you the full log :) |
| 13:31.31 | babilen | damel: It clearly errors in the mysqld_status function, but I don't quite understand why. :) |
| 13:31.57 | uberdub | this is result of lshw http://pastebin.com/XwXiPcMF |
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| 13:33.03 | damel | ok stupid question...but whats the command for putting all the output in a file? service mysql start > error.log of course gives my only the last output |
| 13:33.05 | damel | lol |
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| 13:33.21 | babilen | damel: #688792 |
| 13:33.32 | babilen | judd: bug #688792 |
| 13:33.33 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/688792 in mysql-server-5.5 (closed, patch): «mysql-server-5.5: error in SQL syntax in postinst»; severity: serious; opened: 2012-09-25; last modified: 2013-01-12. |
| 13:33.34 | korhojoa | uberdub: what card do you have then? |
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| 13:33.49 | babilen | ,v mysql-server-5.5 --arch armhf |
| 13:33.51 | judd | Package: mysql-server-5.5 on armhf -- wheezy: 5.5.28+dfsg-1; sid: 5.5.29+dfsg-1 |
| 13:34.01 | Kaurin | damel, >> |
| 13:34.08 | uberdub | korhojoa its an atheros |
| 13:34.17 | damel | ah..hehe |
| 13:34.20 | damel | thx Kaurin :) |
| 13:34.23 | babilen | damel: Looks as if we found the issue ;) -- Could you try cherry-picking .29 from sid? |
| 13:34.39 | korhojoa | uberdub: somewhat more specific would be nice, |
| 13:34.41 | Kaurin | But, this might be better service mysql start >> error.log 2>&1 |
| 13:34.44 | korhojoa | does it work in some other os? |
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| 13:35.04 | uberdub | yeah it worked in ubuntu and later kernels before |
| 13:35.15 | uberdub | been about a year since I used it |
| 13:35.32 | damel | ok >> does not work...next |
| 13:35.32 | babilen | damel: Please also check in /var/log/ for something along the lines of those error messages in the bug report. |
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| 13:36.34 | damel | cherry-picking .29 from sid....as in from the source ? |
| 13:36.47 | Slydder | I have started getting into package building and have a few questions. 1. can I build an i386 package on an amd64 machine at the same time that I build the amd64 package? once I test build a package is there a way to reset the build directory so that I can build it again without having to keep a second copy of the directory and copy it over so that I can rebuild? |
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| 13:37.01 | babilen | damel: No, not that :) |
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| 13:37.28 | babilen | damel: Could you please check your log files for something along the lines of "You have an error in your SQL syntax; check the manual that corresponds to your" first please. (grep'ing should be fine) |
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| 13:38.03 | uberdub | Looks to be a ar9285 korhojoa |
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| 13:39.05 | babilen | damel: Please also show me your /etc/network/interfaces file |
| 13:39.25 | korhojoa | uberdub: your device seems to be troublesome |
| 13:39.34 | uberdub | oh? |
| 13:39.45 | korhojoa | uberdub: I found this https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=126487 on the arch forums |
| 13:39.53 | babilen | damel: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=688355 might also be it ... but that should have been fixed too |
| 13:40.01 | babilen | ,v network-manager --arch armhf |
| 13:40.02 | judd | Package: network-manager on armhf -- wheezy: 0.9.4.0-8; sid: 0.9.4.0-10; experimental: 0.9.6.4-3 |
| 13:40.28 | babilen | damel: Ah, that bug is most likely it. |
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| 13:40.50 | Cultist | !ra3290 |
| 13:41.01 | babilen | dpkg: tell Cultist -about msgthebot |
| 13:41.35 | babilen | damel: I'll be back later (lunch) ... good luck. Read #688355 and fix if you do actually see those problems. |
| 13:42.09 | damel | ok..will do thanks :) |
| 13:42.15 | damel | bon appetit |
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| 13:43.12 | korhojoa | uberdub: what kernel are you using? |
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| 13:45.51 | damel | cat /etc/network/interfaces : http://paste.debian.net/232664/ |
| 13:46.37 | korhojoa | uberdub: according to stuff i've just found by googling, it should show under usb, but your lshw doesn't seem to show it. I assume it is enabled in the bios and the power to it is enabled? |
| 13:46.40 | uberdub | oh joy |
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| 13:47.10 | uberdub | I would think so, I never turned it off |
| 13:47.28 | uberdub | have to power down to double check |
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| 13:47.50 | korhojoa | could you check what kernel you're on first? |
| 13:48.00 | johnfg | abrotman: other than /etc/init.d/vmware, the other vmware are all links to it. Do you know how I would go about correcting that script in regards to the Provides: problem? |
| 13:48.08 | uberdub | korhojoa that thread you directed me to mentioned the solution of building myown kernel, and patching.... |
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| 13:48.56 | uberdub | korhojoa 2.6.32-5-686 |
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| 13:50.00 | abrotman | johnfg: how'd you know i was alive? |
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| 13:50.10 | uberdub | https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?pid=1221279 |
| 13:50.11 | abrotman | johnfg: still throwing the error? |
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| 13:54.02 | johnfg | abrotman: yeah. not the actual script, vmware, but the three that are links to it. |
| 13:54.16 | johnfg | abrotman: Any ideas? |
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| 13:54.24 | babilen | damel: Please check syslog as well (for messages from mysqld) |
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| 13:55.26 | phix | I am back and improved!! how may I help you! |
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| 13:56.44 | phix | Is vmware even supported by Debian? I thought it was commerical |
| 13:57.04 | damel | babilen : where is the syslog ? |
| 13:57.41 | Pimpollo | The best jerkoffs? JizzDay |
| 13:58.05 | phix | damel: /var/log/syslog |
| 13:58.18 | damel | ls |
| 13:58.27 | damel | dont have one |
| 13:58.29 | phix | you need to be root to access it so sudo less /var/log/syslog is usually the convention |
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| 13:58.39 | phix | oh |
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| 13:58.46 | damel | i'm already root |
| 13:58.52 | phix | dpkg -l | grep syslog |
| 13:58.52 | dpkg | ii | grep syslog 3.8-14 phix's private stamp collection |
| 13:59.02 | phix | dpkg: ssshhh |
| 13:59.02 | dpkg | phix: I wish you would RTFM. |
| 13:59.05 | korhojoa | :D |
| 13:59.12 | phix | dpkg: I wish you wouldn't interupt me |
| 13:59.13 | dpkg | phix: no idea |
| 13:59.17 | phix | good |
| 13:59.29 | korhojoa | !slap phix |
| 13:59.30 | dpkg | strikes a resounding *THWAP* across phix's face |
| 13:59.36 | phix | korhojoa: aawww why/ |
| 13:59.57 | damel | ii rsyslog 5.8.11-2 armhf reliable system and kernel logging daemon |
| 13:59.57 | korhojoa | points at topic |
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| 14:01.04 | jelly | damel: is the rsyslog service up and running? |
| 14:01.27 | damel | dont know |
| 14:02.05 | jelly | damel: "service rsyslog status" or ps -fe|grep rsyslog |
| 14:02.28 | damel | [FAIL] rsyslogd is not running ... failed! |
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| 14:02.43 | damel | root 11246 1898 0 14:02 pts/0 00:00:00 grep rsyslog |
| 14:02.58 | jelly | damel: is there a reason it's not running? How exactly did you install Debian? |
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| 14:03.48 | jelly | oh, debootstrap |
| 14:04.05 | damel | its an installer that bootstraped debian onto my sdcard which I then chrooted into |
| 14:04.13 | abrotman | johnfg: pastebin please .. bear in mind i may not see your URL right away, so please prefix |
| 14:04.22 | damel | then I started installing things |
| 14:04.39 | damel | apache worked like a charm |
| 14:04.41 | damel | php too |
| 14:04.42 | korhojoa | uberdub: hey. could you try updating to a newer kernel? |
| 14:04.48 | damel | mysql-server failed |
| 14:05.11 | uberdub | korhojoa bios doesnt even have the option to enable, or disable bt |
| 14:05.21 | damel | after trying to get it to work every way that I could during three days...I came here :) |
| 14:05.31 | korhojoa | uberdub: ah, okay. just for wifi, since it's a combo module. |
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| 14:06.07 | uberdub | dont recall even anything about the wifi either |
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| 14:06.35 | uberdub | is using a newer kernel in squeeze supported? |
| 14:07.02 | uberdub | newer kernels seem to break my sleep/suspend |
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| 14:07.32 | uberdub | Im dreading the inevitable upgrade because of it tbh |
| 14:07.45 | korhojoa | uberdub: Ah. okay. I don't know. I just got 3.2 from backports and I got a few things to work because of it |
| 14:08.01 | uberdub | hopefully my gpu plays nice with future wheezy releases |
| 14:08.23 | sharky | damel, can we see also this info $ free -m;df -Th; |
| 14:08.24 | korhojoa | you could try a newer one, and then switch back if you can't get it to work. one possible workaround for that bluetooth issue is to boot in to windows first, which seems to have worked for a few people |
| 14:08.48 | uberdub | into windows??? |
| 14:09.00 | uberdub | yuck |
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| 14:09.21 | korhojoa | uberdub: yeah, the adapter changes vid/pid when it gets firmware |
| 14:09.25 | damel | sharky : might be that :\ |
| 14:09.35 | damel | yipes I thought I had more memory then that |
| 14:09.52 | damel | 11 free..lol |
| 14:10.08 | uberdub | hmmm |
| 14:10.15 | uberdub | I dont have windows |
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| 14:10.26 | sharky | it might be |
| 14:10.27 | jelly | damel: start rsyslog, let it log things, try to start mysql server, then look for mysqld lines in /var/log/daemon.log |
| 14:10.34 | phix | damel: are you still having mysql issues? |
| 14:10.50 | damel | phix : yes |
| 14:10.57 | damel | ok jelly will do |
| 14:11.09 | jelly | damel: you will probably want to stop rsyslog after things are fixed to avoid excessive writes to the SD card |
| 14:11.11 | phix | damel: ok |
| 14:11.27 | uberdub | to get backports just add it to the sources.list? |
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| 14:11.33 | phix | yes |
| 14:11.37 | phix | or sources.list.d |
| 14:11.53 | damel | jelly : gotcha |
| 14:11.56 | uberdub | you know the addy by chance? |
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| 14:12.42 | korhojoa | uberdub: yeah deb http://backports.debian.org/debian-backports squeeze-backports main |
| 14:12.46 | jelly | uberdub: read "/msg dpkg bdo", follow the link to instructions, read "/msg dpkg bdo kernel" |
| 14:13.33 | uberdub | cant I just install it from th repos? |
| 14:14.06 | jelly | uberdub: uh, read the instructions on how to add and use those very repos, please |
| 14:14.17 | phix | I wish I could help you damel |
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| 14:14.29 | uberdub | I know how to use the repos |
| 14:14.32 | uberdub | thanks |
| 14:14.55 | sharky | phix, we see that man, don't worry |
| 14:15.13 | korhojoa | uberdub: i guess you could, you would probably need to get the dependancies manually then too |
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| 14:15.24 | phix | sharky: good, I am trying to be helpful but I don't know everything |
| 14:15.41 | damel | shaky : syslog - http://paste.debian.net/232674/ |
| 14:15.46 | sharky | nobody knows *everything* |
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| 14:15.50 | jelly | phix: you don't have to comment on things you can't help with, let someone else deal with it |
| 14:15.53 | damel | sharky sorry |
| 14:16.07 | sharky | all coolio |
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| 14:16.54 | uberdub | korhojoa, so why add backports to the repos, if you dont install from them? |
| 14:17.04 | phix | jelly: oh? is that against policies too? I didn't realise |
| 14:17.11 | korhojoa | uberdub: ? I'm confused now |
| 14:17.17 | damel | [ERROR] Failed to create a socket for IPv4 '127.0.0.1': errno: 13. |
| 14:17.24 | damel | looks like its that huh |
| 14:17.27 | phix | jelly: I Mean I could assist but it involves breaking debian law |
| 14:17.37 | damel | [ERROR] Can't create IP socket: Permission denied |
| 14:17.51 | jelly | phix: there's #debian-offtopic for socializing and chatter |
| 14:18.05 | themill | phix: it's not like you've not already been asked... |
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| 14:18.18 | korhojoa | uberdub: Do you want to try the newer backported kernel? Either you add that line to sources.list and do a apt-get update, or you go get the packages from http://backports-master.debian.org/Packages/ |
| 14:18.47 | uberdub | right, then just install from apt-get right? |
| 14:18.52 | korhojoa | yes. |
| 14:18.59 | uberdub | ok, cool |
| 14:19.08 | jelly | damel: yeah, that's weird. Is lo interface up? |
| 14:19.09 | uberdub | easy peasy |
| 14:19.20 | korhojoa | uberdub: did you mean install the backports repo into sources.list from the squeeze repo? :D |
| 14:19.47 | damel | how would I know if lo is up or not? |
| 14:19.48 | uberdub | I cant do it |
| 14:19.54 | uberdub | its gonna break sleep suspend |
| 14:20.02 | damel | I'm connected with wifi |
| 14:20.07 | damel | apache works fine |
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| 14:20.19 | damel | i'm sshed into it right now |
| 14:20.29 | korhojoa | uberdub: oh. how do you know? |
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| 14:20.47 | damel | cat /etc/network/interfaces : http://paste.debian.net/232664/ |
| 14:20.54 | jelly | damel: ifconfig -a should say it's UP and there's a 127.0.0.1 address configured |
| 14:21.06 | uberdub | why does it always feel like Im chasing my tail in linux since I bought this netbook? |
| 14:21.30 | uberdub | because when I run newer kernels my suspend breaks |
| 14:21.42 | damel | ifconfig : http://paste.debian.net/232676/ |
| 14:22.01 | jelly | uberdub: suspend and hibernate are a hit-and-miss and break and fix the whole time with kernel updates |
| 14:22.14 | uberdub | yeah well |
| 14:22.23 | uberdub | I have a laptop...kinda necessary |
| 14:22.32 | jelly | uberdub: you can always try an even newer kernel |
| 14:22.41 | jelly | if you need it for hardware support |
| 14:22.44 | johnfg | abrotman: I'm gonna paste how those files are linked, what's in the script vmware itself for Provides:, and the error from insserv. Ok? |
| 14:22.48 | uberdub | Ive tried pretty new |
| 14:22.54 | korhojoa | uberdub: 3.7? |
| 14:22.56 | jelly | uberdub: define pretty new. |
| 14:22.56 | uberdub | Ive had this laptop for years |
| 14:23.03 | uberdub | I dont know |
| 14:23.30 | jelly | uberdub: do you know exactly which kernel version breaks suspend, and where did you get it from? |
| 14:23.42 | uberdub | Ive tried all kinds of stuff over the last 2 years |
| 14:24.21 | uberdub | Im not a dev or a software engineer, I cant dedicate all my time to my linux machine |
| 14:24.30 | jelly | uberdub: I'll take that as "no idea". Did you try the current 3.2.0 (3.2.35-2) kernel from squeeze-backports? |
| 14:24.49 | uberdub | ive tried 3.2 kernels |
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| 14:25.01 | uberdub | I dont know where exactly it breaks |
| 14:25.02 | jelly | uberdub: ok, but did you try exactly that one? |
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| 14:25.20 | jelly | ... gotta have some sort of a starting point |
| 14:25.20 | johnfg | abrotman: Ok, here's the paste: http://paste.debian.net/232677/ |
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| 14:26.20 | uberdub | I didnt keep notes..sorry |
| 14:26.49 | uberdub | it broke somewhere between 11.04 and 12.04 ubuntu |
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| 14:27.14 | uberdub | right around when 3.xx was released in ubuntu |
| 14:27.58 | uberdub | is bleeding edge gonna fix it? |
| 14:28.28 | johnfg | abrotman: No rush, but I just wanted to make sure you saw my 'prefix' and the URL? |
| 14:29.48 | jelly | uberdub: the ubuntu kernel tree is different from debian kernel tree, and also different from the vanilla kernels; things failing to work in ubuntu with a 3.2.x kernel do not imply they'll break in debian as well |
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| 14:30.10 | uberdub | well it breaks in wheezy |
| 14:30.22 | uberdub | I know that much |
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| 14:30.44 | uberdub | is it even possible to use 3.7 in queeze? |
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| 14:31.40 | jelly | uberdub: debian userspace does not really mind if you upgrade just the kernel (with some exceptions) |
| 14:32.03 | jelly | basically, you can use a self-built, custom kernel with almost any distro |
| 14:32.14 | uberdub | right |
| 14:32.30 | uberdub | I dont really want to custom build one |
| 14:33.01 | uberdub | doesnt sound like fun |
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| 14:33.50 | phix | nice |
| 14:34.13 | babilen | damel: Could you try "localhost" as hostname for mysql? |
| 14:34.23 | uberdub | whats most current you can get from backports? |
| 14:34.48 | jelly | ,kernels |
| 14:34.50 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 3.7-trunk-686-pae (3.7.3-1~experimental.1); sid: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.35-2); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.35-2); squeeze-backports: 3.2.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.2.35-2~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-46); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-35~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-29) |
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| 14:35.15 | jelly | uberdub: squeeze-backports: 3.2.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.2.35-2~bpo60+1) would be the answer |
| 14:35.19 | uberdub | ahh, thanks |
| 14:35.28 | uberdub | ? |
| 14:35.38 | damel | babilen : that defined in the my.conf ? |
| 14:35.47 | uberdub | jell: answer? |
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| 14:35.56 | jelly | uberdub: (it's pretty much the same source as the wheezy one, so it will likely behave the same way) |
| 14:36.17 | cardiel | im getting pretty poor speed via nfs , just about 10mb/s , is there anyway to optimize the settings so i get better performance? |
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| 14:36.27 | johnfg | Just noticed from judd about some of the kernels with/without pae...is debian going to drop support, like so many other distros, for cpus without pae? |
| 14:36.28 | babilen | damel: Also: Do you have a firewall? (what does "iptable -L" give you?) |
| 14:36.41 | damel | babilen : the bind-address is already 127.0.0.1 |
| 14:36.51 | babilen | damel: I guess, you will be asked if you "dpkg-reconfigure" the package ... |
| 14:36.54 | Towzzer | cardiel , you can use the option "async" but it could lead to corruption in rare instances |
| 14:36.55 | uberdub | jelly: thats the one that breaks it youre saying? |
| 14:37.08 | jelly | uberdub: try it and see. |
| 14:37.08 | korhojoa | I'm downloading linux-image-3.7-trunk-486_3.7.3-1~experimental.1_i386.deb to see if it works right now, so you could try that if the backports one doesn't work |
| 14:37.42 | uberdub | yeah I guess I can a;lways just switch back |
| 14:37.42 | jelly | uberdub: also, test suspend and hibernate separately; sometimes one is broken and the other works. |
| 14:37.43 | cardiel | Towzzer: ok, but is 11mb/s considered slow on wifi ? i read some posts about people getting 40mb/s |
| 14:37.54 | Towzzer | what wifi specification |
| 14:37.55 | damel | babilen : bash: iptable: command not found |
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| 14:38.02 | Towzzer | iptables |
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| 14:38.16 | babilen | damel: iptables :) |
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| 14:38.40 | jelly | cardiel: 11 megabits per second or 11 megbytes per second? |
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| 14:39.01 | cardiel | jelly: megabytes |
| 14:39.02 | damel | babilen : iptables - http://paste.debian.net/232682/ |
| 14:39.09 | uberdub | yeah I never narrowed it down past either the gpu itself/firmware or something else interfering according to /var/log |
| 14:39.09 | babilen | damel: Gah! Have to go again .. (sorry) -- Hope someone else can help with your mysql problems (i.e. http://paste.debian.net/232674/ on install) |
| 14:39.11 | cardiel | mb/s not mbit/s :) |
| 14:39.14 | jelly | cardiel: that is VERY good for wireless. |
| 14:39.33 | jelly | cardiel: lowercase b = bits, usually |
| 14:39.42 | korhojoa | cardiel: that is pretty good |
| 14:39.42 | cardiel | jelly: ok, then maybe i should be satified |
| 14:39.55 | damel | babilen : np...thx for you help !!! :) have a good one |
| 14:40.04 | damel | s/you/your |
| 14:40.06 | Towzzer | cardiel, don't do that async operation on a wifi nfs server :D |
| 14:40.24 | uberdub | Im gonna do the backports thing, and test out different kernels |
| 14:40.30 | uberdub | see if any work I guess |
| 14:40.36 | cardiel | i mounted with other wsize,rsize settings , and it seems to be more stable speeds after that |
| 14:40.37 | jelly | cardiel: that's 90Mbps, which is a good bit of a 150Mbps or a 300Mbps 802.11n wireless bandwidth |
| 14:40.43 | uberdub | Ill report back eventually |
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| 14:40.55 | babilen | damel: It looks like a permission problem for the mysql user though. Try "localhost" as hostname and check if mysql needs to be a member of some group that it isn't |
| 14:41.00 | cardiel | Towzzer: ok , im just using atime , atm |
| 14:41.17 | jelly | cardiel: but nfs doesn't deal well with errors in the channel, it might be too unstable to use over wifi |
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| 14:41.47 | cardiel | jelly: ok.. would i get better speeds with samba or about the same ? |
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| 14:42.16 | jelly | cardiel: lower, but possibly more stable |
| 14:42.32 | damel | babilen : where do I define the hostname |
| 14:42.39 | damel | its not in the config |
| 14:42.41 | phix | /etc/hostname |
| 14:42.53 | damel | gotcha |
| 14:42.53 | cardiel | jelly: ok, i thought nfs was more stable then samba .. samba feels like its more of a windows thing , therefor more unstable :) |
| 14:42.54 | damel | thx |
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| 14:43.06 | jelly | cardiel: not at all! |
| 14:43.12 | babilen | damel: It also looks as if mysql-server is in a bit of a horrible state due to #698068 -- This prevents important other RC fixes that are part of -29 to be stuck in sid for now. I would reocmmend to give that version a try. (backport it along the lines of "/msg dpkg ssb" or install it directly from sid by adding sid sources and setting the default release to "wheezy" (/msg dpkg default release") |
| 14:43.12 | ectospasm | samba contains code from Microsoft O.O |
| 14:43.50 | babilen | damel: You should then be able to install mysql-server with "apt-get -t sid install mysql-server" -- You have to /purge/ the wheezy packages before that though. (YOu might have to use dpkg to do so) |
| 14:44.06 | cardiel | jelly: ok , nfs is pretty simple to setup if compared to samba .. so i think ill stick to nfs |
| 14:44.08 | themill | ectospasm: so does the linux kernel -- not really an interesting fact. |
| 14:44.13 | damel | you can run sid packets from wheezy ? |
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| 14:44.28 | damel | cool |
| 14:44.37 | ectospasm | themill: yeah, that's right. I remember reading about the 8008135 incident |
| 14:44.37 | damel | you think its just better if I run sid ? |
| 14:44.56 | babilen | damel: I simply don't have the time right now to check all the bug reports and changes between -28 and -29, but Adam's comments indicate that they are important. I would /also/ like to point out that there is a good reason for -29 not being in wheezy right now and I wouldn't recommend to use it. |
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| 14:45.53 | babilen | damel: In short: MySQL seems to be in a bit of a messy state (right now? or all the time?) ... You /might/ want to consider alternatives such as psql (mentioned by phix multiple times) if you don't actually need MySQL specifically. |
| 14:46.01 | damel | babilen : ok..thanks for the info. Thats gives me some good ideas to try :) |
| 14:46.16 | Towzzer | woah |
| 14:46.22 | abrotman | johnfg: saw it now :) |
| 14:46.23 | Towzzer | mysql is a very reliable database server |
| 14:46.27 | babilen | damel: I would also recommend to install apt-listbugs so that you don't install buggy packages anymore. |
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| 14:47.18 | abrotman | johnfg: did you create those symlnks? |
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| 14:48.16 | babilen | Towzzer: I don't doubt that, but the versions in wheezy seem to be in a bit of a messy state. (I am not interested in pursuing a "mysql vs. psql" discussion. If I had to recommend one over the other it would by psql by far, but meh that doesn't help damel) |
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| 14:50.06 | gedO | Hello. Is it posible to make that simple user can controll deamon? |
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| 14:52.29 | johnfg | abrotman: No, I did not create the links. Had to have been done by aptitude when VMware was installed, I'd guess. |
| 14:52.48 | babilen | damel: #692871 (as mentioned earlier) |
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| 14:53.34 | abrotman | johnfg: moment, meeting .. |
| 14:53.53 | abrotman | johnfg: i might just copy them and make them slightly different .. what a pain |
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| 14:55.51 | gedO | Guys is it posible to make, that simble user can stop and start deamon?? |
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| 14:57.06 | ectospasm | gedO: just add the appropriate command(s) to sudoers |
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| 14:57.32 | gedO | ectospasm: can you tell more? |
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| 14:58.15 | damel | taking notes |
| 14:58.16 | ectospasm | gedO: try "man sudoers"... wade through the EBNF, and look at the examples. |
| 14:58.27 | damel | babilen : thx :) |
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| 14:58.45 | gedO | ectospasm: okey :) |
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| 14:59.21 | quax5i | Best antivirus for linux? |
| 14:59.44 | ectospasm | I only have experience with clamav |
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| 14:59.47 | idimmu | decent sysadmins |
| 14:59.48 | gedO | quax5i: clamwin I think :) |
| 14:59.53 | johnfg | abrotman: maybe try reinstalling or doing a dpkg-reconfigure? |
| 15:00.00 | quax5i | Clamav is the best? |
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| 15:02.56 | TuxFighter | Hi, is there any way to get realtek onboard snd 892 working on debian ? |
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| 15:03.31 | TuxFighter | I am currently trying to help someone via teamspeak to get it working since hours now but it won´t work |
| 15:03.49 | phix | TuxFighter: probably, what does lspic say the device is called? you may want to try googling for forums on the subject |
| 15:04.04 | phix | that may assist you |
| 15:04.18 | TuxFighter | all forums are full of people which has given it up |
| 15:04.22 | TuxFighter | no solution |
| 15:04.23 | phix | oh |
| 15:04.38 | TuxFighter | and this is a standard onboard audiochip |
| 15:04.43 | TuxFighter | I simply can´t believe that |
| 15:04.55 | phix | what is the device id? |
| 15:05.08 | phix | tell me the lspci output, one line should be enough |
| 15:05.20 | TuxFighter | 00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation Cougar Point High Definition Audio Controller (rev 05) |
| 15:05.59 | phix | thank you |
| 15:06.23 | phix | sandy bridge? |
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| 15:06.32 | TuxFighter | yes |
| 15:07.00 | phix | ok |
| 15:07.10 | abrotman | johnfg: you can try .. |
| 15:07.21 | phix | http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=78843 |
| 15:07.26 | abrotman | johnfg: does that script look to see how it's called to figure out what to do? |
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| 15:07.39 | TuxFighter | alsactl init: Unknown hardware: "HDA-Intel" "Realtek ID 892" "HDA:10ec0892,10438410,00100302" "0x1043" "0x8410" |
| 15:07.39 | TuxFighter | Hardware is initialized using a guess method |
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| 15:08.51 | phix | did that help TuxFighter ? |
| 15:09.03 | babilen | TuxFighter: Which version of Debian do you use? |
| 15:09.04 | TuxFighter | negative still crackling in output and input |
| 15:09.16 | TuxFighter | 6.0 |
| 15:09.41 | babilen | TuxFighter: Could you paste the output of "lspci -n" to http://paste.debian.net and tell me which kernel you use? What is that box used for? |
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| 15:11.19 | johnfg | abrotman: Don't know the answer to your question, sorry. |
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| 15:14.32 | TuxFighter | http://paste.debian.net/232688/ |
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| 15:16.41 | bluefoxxx | Hi guys |
| 15:16.43 | bluefoxxx | http://www.aptana.com/legal |
| 15:16.57 | bluefoxxx | If I made a Deb package for Aptana 3, would it be suitable for inclusion in a future version of Debian? |
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| 15:17.15 | bluefoxxx | Aptana 2 has ... nebulous licensing (okay, it's licensing, it's not nebulous). Aptana 3 is straight GPL. |
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| 15:17.44 | Schalla | Hello guys. |
| 15:17.45 | damel | thx all...l8r :) |
| 15:17.47 | bluefoxxx | they have a very corporation-like feel to them, but I'm not sure if anything beyond the raw licensing matters |
| 15:19.41 | Schalla | Excuse me, I know it's very unpolite to join, be new and ask for help, but I need some advise. After checking the logs of my vServer I realized somebody gained access to the rootpw. i realized it bc the SMTP wasnt working anymore and after checking the logs. Would you guys recommend to set it up fresh? I checked syslog and auth.log. Tried to get PWs of the mail_account, bt it seems they failed. |
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| 15:19.57 | bluefoxxx | unpolite? |
| 15:20.03 | bluefoxxx | that's why the channel exists |
| 15:20.06 | Schalla | It is actually. |
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| 15:20.29 | Schalla | That's true, I still don't like that feeling :p |
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| 15:20.52 | bluefoxxx | IRC is like the imaginary garbage vortex in the pacific ocean (which doesn't actually exist) |
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| 15:21.04 | bluefoxxx | lots and lots of lost floatsam wind up here trying to find their way |
| 15:21.29 | bluefoxxx | People create the channels intentionally for that purpose :P |
| 15:21.33 | phix | bluefoxxx: ssshhh dont disrespect peoples beliefs, that is against debian policy |
| 15:21.36 | ChrisH | Schalla: IF there is the option that some fot the root PW, it it strongly recommended to re-install the box onto newfs'ed disks. |
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| 15:21.55 | bluefoxxx | phix, how does that work when someone shows up who thinks yum is better than apt? |
| 15:22.26 | phix | this is debian, yum is not supported here |
| 15:22.32 | bluefoxxx | :) |
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| 15:23.08 | Schalla | @ChrisH: Since I got a vServer I can just reset it over that. |
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| 15:23.20 | Schalla | @ChrisH: Any tools you would recommend? heard from fail2ban |
| 15:23.52 | ChrisH | Schalla: this is not twatter, please remove the @, IRC clients do not work with @nickname. |
| 15:24.30 | Schalla | I'm not used to Twitter, just from other chats. Sorry. :p |
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| 15:25.06 | ChrisH | Schalla: fail2ban seems to be an usefull approach. You shpould disable as much services as possible and keep all up to date... whihc is pretty easy with debian |
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| 15:26.13 | Schalla | ChrisH: I am using a cronjob over froxlor to keep all services up2date |
| 15:26.30 | Schalla | So that was actually the case.. I don't know how they gained the access since the PW was also pretty safe. |
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| 15:27.40 | Schalla | Aside from syslog and auth.log, are there any other logs which should be checked ChrisH? |
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| 15:28.52 | MalMen | how can i check what debian version i am using ? |
| 15:29.08 | babilen | TuxFighter: (it helps if you highlight me ... I missed that) |
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| 15:29.21 | ChrisH | Schalla: use debsums with you next installation |
| 15:29.30 | ChrisH | MalMen: cat /etc/debian_version |
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| 15:29.43 | thyphus | MalMen: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 15:29.48 | MalMen | 5.0.10 |
| 15:29.55 | thyphus | lenny |
| 15:30.04 | MalMen | /msg dpkg lenny->squeeze |
| 15:30.10 | MalMen | is not replying to me xD |
| 15:30.14 | TuxFighter | bablien no idea ? |
| 15:30.17 | Schalla | ChrisH: How debsums helps? |
| 15:30.47 | thyphus | MalMen: edit your /etc/apt/sources.list, update and upgrade+dist-upgrade via aptitude |
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| 15:30.52 | babilen | TuxFighter: I guess that you need a newer kernel -- you can either install one from backports (see /msg dpkg bdo kernel) or upgrade to squeeze (http://www.debian.org/releases/wheezy/amd64/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html) |
| 15:31.00 | babilen | *upgrade to wheezy |
| 15:31.07 | ChrisH | Schalla: you can check if file have been changed. If not you might come to the conclusion that a new rootpw is sufficient |
| 15:31.23 | TuxFighter | yea I am already searching for the deb package of 3.x |
| 15:31.34 | TuxFighter | but I can´t find http://packages.debian.org/ |
| 15:31.41 | MalMen | change sources.list for what ? |
| 15:32.08 | Schalla | ChrisH: Ah okay, thanks. But since I didn't found anything what is changed, the server was not showing much traffic (just 300mb), also the websites wasn't showing malware. For what the server should be used? |
| 15:32.18 | babilen | TuxFighter: (hence my question what that box is used for) -- You might also be delighted to learn that most IRC clients support tab completion for nick names. Try "babi<TAB>" and it should complete my nick to "babilen" -- That will spare us embarrassing moments like before were you called me "bablien" |
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| 15:32.49 | babilen | TuxFighter: Please read "/msg dpkg bdo kernel" -- You have to add backports to your sources.list (and add "main contrib non-free" at the end while you are at it) |
| 15:34.00 | babilen | TuxFighter: Don't forget to install firmware packages such as "firmware-linux-nonfree" and "firmware-realtek" from backports too. If you use the non-free nvidia driver it should be recompiled automagically if you used the DKMS packages. (if!) |
| 15:34.40 | babilen | TuxFighter: You might, however, find it to be a better choice to use the drivers from backports at this point too. An upgrade to wheezy is also an option as mentioned earlier. |
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| 15:35.01 | TuxFighter | I am currently thinking about compiling a vanilla 3.x |
| 15:35.05 | babilen | Why? |
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| 15:38.09 | TuxFighter | where do I find that backport rep |
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| 15:39.18 | phix | cat /etc/apt/sources.list.d/backports.list |
| 15:39.18 | phix | deb http://backports.debian.org/debian-backports squeeze-backports main non-free contrib |
| 15:39.24 | TuxFighter | thx |
| 15:39.27 | phix | np |
| 15:39.40 | ChrisH | Schalla: dunno. there is a rootkit hunter in debian repos. If you can reinstall easy I would do it |
| 15:39.47 | phix | sudo apt-get update after you put that in there |
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| 15:40.15 | phix | Schalla: clamav can find lots of malware too, if you havent tried that |
| 15:40.16 | TuxFighter | sure but I don´t use sudo ;-) |
| 15:40.22 | phix | you should |
| 15:40.29 | phix | sound advice |
| 15:40.30 | TuxFighter | no |
| 15:40.34 | phix | ok |
| 15:40.49 | phix | dont then, but you should look into it, it is a great tool |
| 15:40.55 | phix | su is limited |
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| 15:41.22 | TuxFighter | su -c |
| 15:41.31 | TuxFighter | if I really only want to exec 1 cmd |
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| 15:41.55 | phix | sure, but su doesnt have evelation caching, nor does it support control of what commands you cna run as root |
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| 15:42.12 | abrotman | johnfg: you lok in side the script .. see if it has decision trees based on the name it's called with |
| 15:42.14 | phix | just so you know the limitionas |
| 15:42.18 | abrotman | johnfg: sorry, i was doing real work :) |
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| 15:42.42 | Schalla | phix: I asked the provider, server wasn't used as dos or spam service. Hum^^ |
| 15:43.20 | Schalla | phix: I think I will do the reinstall... It's not like the server got tons of data on it. |
| 15:43.34 | johnfg | abrotman: No worries. I'm working in this with work. It's all good. :-) |
| 15:43.53 | ChrisH | Schalla: is it a private or commercial used server? |
| 15:44.12 | phix | Schalla: hmmmm |
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| 15:44.18 | phix | ok |
| 15:44.29 | Schalla | ChrisH: Just for my web-developing business, so no customers. |
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| 15:44.58 | Schalla | It's used as development server |
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| 15:46.08 | phix | ok |
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| 15:46.43 | amee2woof | !nvidia |
| 15:46.43 | dpkg | http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers . Ask me about <nouveau> (open source driver) or <nvidia dkms> (proprietary driver). For GPUs made before 2004, ask me about <nvidia legacy>. Installing directly from nvidia.com (i.e. with <nvidia-installer>) is _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia on irc.freenode.net. |
| 15:47.02 | somiaj | amee2woof: /msg dpkg nvidia (no need to spam the room if the info is just for you) (: |
| 15:47.08 | amee2woof | nvidia-installer |
| 15:47.25 | amee2woof | somiaj: i did, but it isn't responding in PM |
| 15:47.37 | abrotman | johnfg: easy way, destroy symlink, copy file, rename to what symlinks were, change Provides |
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| 15:47.41 | somiaj | amee2woof: were you in #debian when you did the msg? |
| 15:47.42 | amee2woof | if i put a ! before it in PM i only get an error message that i should leave that off |
| 15:47.49 | amee2woof | of course not |
| 15:47.54 | amee2woof | !nvidia-installer |
| 15:47.54 | dpkg | somebody said nvidia-installer was a clever cross-platform way of installing nvidia's proprietary drivers, which works fine on systems with stupid package managers (i.e. not so good with Debian). More specifically, prone to dying if any X or kernel-related packages are upgraded or removed. Ask me about <nvidia-graphics-drivers> instead. See also <why nvidia-installer sucks>, <remove nvidia>. |
| 15:47.57 | somiaj | amee2woof: he only responds to people in this chat room |
| 15:48.05 | somiaj | amee2woof: please msg the bot as I suggested |
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| 15:48.12 | Schalla | ChrisH: Why? |
| 15:48.15 | somiaj | (well he only responds to people in the chat rooms he is in) |
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| 15:48.42 | amee2woof | smart move :P |
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| 15:50.29 | listenpreis | hi |
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| 15:50.40 | listenpreis | I accidently erased some date over the network on my debian server |
| 15:50.50 | listenpreis | is there a way to undo that? |
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| 15:51.12 | amee2woof | listenpreis: depending on the method, typically no. stuff like the "rm" command is final |
| 15:51.35 | listenpreis | yes, typically |
| 15:51.46 | listenpreis | and now I need the untypical solution |
| 15:51.49 | amee2woof | unless you want to pull out the hard drive and spend days to manually try recover something |
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| 15:52.28 | amee2woof | but depending on system activity, that is far from guaranteed and typically recovers more or less damaged data if the files have any nontrivial size |
| 15:52.30 | MalMen | anyone can give me the official repositories of wheezy ? |
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| 15:53.27 | ChrisH | Schalla: Why I asked? With a commercially used server there might be also legal issues forcing a reinstallation |
| 15:53.45 | babilen | TuxFighter: Did you read "/msg dpkg bdo kernel" ? |
| 15:55.24 | amee2woof | listenpreis: the only mild chance to recover something remotely (that comes to mind) is if the file was held open by some process *continuously* since before it was deleted |
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| 15:56.16 | amee2woof | then you could find the file somewhere in /proc and pull out the contents |
| 15:56.38 | Schalla | ChrisH: Ah ye, nah that won't be a problem :) |
| 15:56.58 | ChrisH | listenpreis: get the files from your backup. or try ext2 undelete... did not find a link quick |
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| 15:57.25 | ChrisH | listenpreis: check extundelete |
| 15:57.32 | amee2woof | that doesn't really answer my question anyway... i'm trying to install the official legacy drivers from the NVIDIA homepage for a GF2 MX/MX 400. system is deb 6 stable. the installer tells me that i'm missing the kernel source tree. what packages do i need to install? (the installer only gives some RPM package names probably from a distro with different naming conventions) |
| 15:58.31 | Schalla | ChrisH: Thanks for your help, will now backup all data and then start the reinstall. |
| 15:58.40 | sharky | Schalla, can we see the part of the log where your server was compromised |
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| 16:00.01 | Schalla | sharky: Hard to tell, because I found about 500 lines where somebody connected successfully for 1 sec(!) |
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| 16:00.15 | Schalla | Which log you mean? auth.log or syslog? |
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| 16:00.32 | ChrisH | Schalla: paste.debian.net is able to show longer pastes :) ... and I am interessted too |
| 16:00.34 | sharky | both |
| 16:00.45 | Schalla | Gimme a sec. |
| 16:00.53 | sharky | thanks |
| 16:00.58 | ChrisH | gives a second to Schalla |
| 16:01.19 | Schalla | ;) |
| 16:02.00 | Schalla | Jan 27 06:30:01 v2201208135408917 CRON[23314]: pam_unix(cron:session): session opened for user root by (uid=0) Jan 27 06:30:01 v2201208135408917 CRON[23314]: pam_unix(cron:session): session closed for user root |
| 16:02.01 | Schalla | example |
| 16:02.07 | Schalla | What is this shit? Who opens a session for 1 sec? |
| 16:02.51 | sharky | that is cron job man, or ChrisH |
| 16:03.07 | ChrisH | Schalla: sit down and relax |
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| 16:03.37 | ChrisH | Schalla: this is only the log for cronjobs beeing executed. All fine, no problem. :) |
| 16:03.42 | Schalla | I am relaxed, I just try to understand :p |
| 16:03.50 | Schalla | lol okay. :D thanks. |
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| 16:04.11 | sharky | Schalla, still best thing is to show us both logs in paste.debian.net |
| 16:04.12 | amee2woof | can you un-do an "apt-get update"? |
| 16:04.12 | ChrisH | Schalla: check as root: crontab -l and you will see jobs at this times |
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| 16:04.35 | Aivaras | Guys any ideas how to find why my debian 7 beta4 keeps freezing? |
| 16:04.56 | amee2woof | i had to run that to get the NVIDIA drivers i need because i had to add the nonfree repo |
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| 16:05.08 | amee2woof | and now the kernel headers package i need to install is gone from the package list |
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| 16:08.01 | ipalaus | hello |
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| 16:08.09 | Guibell | amee2woof: undoing an 'apt-get update' does not make much sense. Just change your 'sources.list' and run 'apt-get update' again. |
| 16:08.20 | Schalla | http://paste.debian.net/hidden/d17d32e9/ |
| 16:08.23 | ipalaus | I've installed openjdk-7-jre but when I do a java -version I see that 1.6 is running. how I can change the java version in use? |
| 16:08.32 | Schalla | That is a nromal activity or soemthing .... not that good? |
| 16:08.36 | babilen | TuxFighter: Did you manage to install the backports kernel and firmware? Do you use the nvidia driver? |
| 16:08.49 | amee2woof | Guibell: no, i mean to get package entries back that were removed when i did the apt-get update |
| 16:08.54 | babilen | dpkg: tell ipalaus about java alternatives |
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| 16:09.43 | amee2woof | i need to install "linux-headers-3.2.0-3-686-pae" but now my repo only has 3.2.0-4 anymore |
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| 16:10.27 | ipalaus | perfect babilen, thank you! |
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| 16:11.10 | babilen | ipalaus: np, enjoy! |
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| 16:12.11 | brontosaurusrex | where would i put minidlna start entry? (wheezy) |
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| 16:13.29 | Schalla | Concerning Mailservers on Debian: http://paste.debian.net/hidden/d17d32e9/ These logs are normal activity or a attack? I would be happy about a suggestion! |
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| 16:15.31 | leehambley | is fai as massive overkill as it looks ? |
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| 16:17.31 | maxok | Hello, on CentOS there is command: setup, which is Setup Text mode Utility. Is there anything similar for debian? |
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| 16:19.31 | babilen | maxok: What does it do? |
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| 16:21.30 | abrotman | maxok: not really .. if you want to perform a certain task, we can tell you how |
| 16:21.53 | phix | maxok: sorry, speaking about other distros is out of topic here |
| 16:21.55 | maxok | abrotman: I intend to do network configuration with text GUI, so it is easier |
| 16:22.00 | abrotman | babilen: it works like the ncurses stuff during the install in Debian, but RHEL/CentOS has it avaiable udring normal system operation |
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| 16:22.29 | abrotman | maxok: we generally just edit the interfaces file |
| 16:22.33 | abrotman | !tell maxok about interfaces |
| 16:22.42 | babilen | abrotman: Whatfor? Something like ncurses yast? |
| 16:22.52 | abrotman | babilen: yes-ish |
| 16:23.04 | babilen | heh, okay. merci |
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| 16:28.07 | maxok | abrotman: Thank you :) |
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| 16:28.28 | abrotman | maxok: there used to be some tools to do this .. not sure they still exist .. apt-cache search network config |
| 16:29.10 | babilen | pokes TuxFighter |
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| 16:30.10 | maxok | abrotman: I will look around for it, thanks once again |
| 16:30.24 | abrotman | enjoy! |
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| 16:30.57 | amee2woof | wow... as useful as ever |
| 16:31.30 | amee2woof | have a fun time everyone... and fix that bot sometime so it reponds to PMs |
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| 16:31.52 | babilen | maxok: Manually editing the configuration files is, however, the common way on Debian and it might be best to simply get used to it. You might like http://debian-handbook.info/ and http://bhami.com/rosetta.html |
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| 16:33.19 | maxok | babilen: thank you |
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| 16:33.26 | korhojoa | So, I can't figure out what I'm doing wrong here. 3.2 booted fine earlier, now only 2.6 will boot. Gives me some errors about ata1.00 and ata2.00, but they scroll past really fast and I can't seem to get in to a mode to scroll back to them. These are my syslogs for the times I got it to boot: http://paste.debian.net/232705/ |
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| 16:37.44 | Phil-Work | I do know better :( |
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| 16:39.24 | abrotman | Phil-Work: sorry, mistab |
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| 16:39.50 | Phil-Work | np :) |
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| 16:40.30 | Xat` | hi |
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| 16:40.57 | Xat` | how could I get OS name using m4 template |
| 16:42.25 | ChrisH | Xat`: OS name like debian? and m4 means sendmail config? |
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| 16:43.27 | Xat` | ChrisH: yes like debian name using m4 template file |
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| 16:44.22 | MalMen | what is the package i should use for this: libccnet.so.0? |
| 16:45.21 | Xat` | ChrisH: i'm not using sendmail, is it for another template file |
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| 16:52.24 | floogy | Hi, I checked my passwd for passwords and john found 4 passwords, but I can't login with them. I don't remember to gave those passwords. What does that mean? |
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| 16:53.46 | floogy | even the user as that I'm currently logged in john found another password for that user as the password that I use and that works. |
| 16:53.57 | floogy | Is that a collision? |
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| 17:03.27 | TuxFighter | Is there aready an netinst of testing ? |
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| 17:05.01 | Schalla_ | @ChrisH: You know what was the fault.........The SMTP Port just changed trough an update.... |
| 17:05.06 | Guibell | TuxFighter: sure: http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
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| 17:06.16 | Schalla_ | ChrisH: Sorry for the @ usage :D |
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| 17:06.37 | TuxFighter | awesome thank you :-) |
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| 17:19.13 | floogy | Ah, ok, trying means john prints out the last tried password. trying: root1900 |
| 17:19.46 | floogy | john --show mypasswd gives 0 password hashes cracked, 4 left |
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| 17:20.17 | garg | Hey guys, I upgraded from squeeze to wheezy today, my computer started freezing after it boots, I narrowed it down to X/fglrx (I had a bport of it on squeeze, so I imagine that might've had something to do with it messing up), I uninstalled xserver-xorg-video-radeon which I think wheezy installed on its own. I re-installed the fglrx stuff and nI've got X to boot up but all I see is a corrupt |
| 17:20.17 | garg | screen. |
| 17:20.23 | garg | Do you guys have any ideas? |
| 17:20.31 | ChrisH | Schalla_: OK. |
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| 17:22.31 | garg | http://pastebin.com/92xDiVju |
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| 17:22.35 | garg | Here's the xorg log. |
| 17:22.36 | garg | I'm lost. |
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| 17:23.46 | korhojoa | I can't seem to get my laptop to boot with 3.2 for some reason. 3.2 booted fine earlier, now only 2.6 will boot. Gives me some errors about ata1.00 and ata2.00, but they scroll past really fast and I can't seem to get in to a mode to scroll back to them. These are my syslogs for the times I got it to boot: http://paste.debian.net/232705/ |
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| 17:27.33 | blubberdiblub | korhojoa, when it fails to boot, does it drop you into an initramfs prompt? if it doesn't, can you try to boot with "break=mount" as kernel command line argument and see if it drops you to an initramfs prompt then? you can run dmesg there to get the kernel messages you missed |
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| 17:33.13 | brontosaurusrex | a. the service (minidlna) is running at start (for some reason), is there a way to see what config file it is using? |
| 17:33.21 | brontosaurusrex | b. is inotify supposed to work on wheezy (as opposed to running minidla -R manualy..)? |
| 17:33.26 | garg | running iwconfig wlan0 essid NAMEOFESSID key s:PASS gives me this error "Error for wireless request "Set encode" (8B2A) : SET failed on device wlan0 ; invalid argument. |
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| 17:34.10 | garg | what is wrong with that? |
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| 17:36.56 | floogy | brontosaurusrex, maybe ps axu|grep dlna will show you what file that service uses. If not man minidlnad or appropriate will show you some informations. |
| 17:37.50 | floogy | http://sourceforge.net/projects/minidlna/ |
| 17:37.54 | korhojoa | blubberdiblub: no, it just sits there giving me a ata1.00 or ata2.00 { DRDY }, then it tries a reset of the device, fails and tries again |
| 17:38.54 | blubberdiblub | korhojoa, well, that looks reminiscent of a hardware issue, but since you said it worked in squeeze ... |
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| 17:39.24 | korhojoa | blubberdiblub: what confuses me is that 2.6 boots fine, every time, really. 3.2 doesn't. |
| 17:39.40 | jelly | is there a way to store the password for cli mysql client somewhere (env.var or a config file) so I don't have to enter it each time /usr/bin/mysql is started? |
| 17:39.47 | brontosaurusrex | floogy, thanks, I did read most of stuff, but still fail to understand how the database is updated |
| 17:40.02 | korhojoa | blubberdiblub: I don't know how closely you looked though, but it's a really old laptop, thinkpad 770, released in 1998. |
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| 17:40.18 | brontosaurusrex | ps axu|grep dlna < does show conf files |
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| 17:41.46 | blubberdiblub | korhojoa, well, that issue is beyond my abilities, sorry. but it really looks like it's kernel related. maybe specifying a certain kernel parameter for booting will get it working on 3.2, but i have not the faintest idea of where to start looking, apart from googling |
| 17:41.53 | floogy | brontosaurusrex, To rebuild the database: |
| 17:41.54 | floogy | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:41.54 | floogy | minidlna -f /home/$USER/.minidlna/minidlna.conf -R |
| 17:42.01 | floogy | Ooops |
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| 17:42.08 | floogy | https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MiniDLNA |
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| 17:42.32 | korhojoa | blubberdiblub: okay. thanks though. |
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| 17:43.49 | Gargantua | running iwconfig wlan0 essid NAMEOFESSID key s:PASS gives me this error "Error for wireless request "Set encode" (8B2A) : SET failed on device wlan0 ; invalid argument. |
| 17:44.05 | Gargantua | hm, dmesg gives "acer_wmi: unknown key number - 0x50" and same error for 0x4d |
| 17:44.17 | Gargantua | is that related or |
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| 17:45.08 | floogy | brontosaurusrex, inotify=yes seems to run minidlna with auto update the database. sudo service minidlna force-reload rebuilds the database. inotify=no requires a restart on new media to be recognized. |
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| 17:45.36 | Gargantua | help please :( |
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| 17:49.00 | stack | hello , is there a tool, like the one shipped with ubuntu, that lets you create a debian live usb with persistence? |
| 17:49.10 | JordiGH | If I want to help wheezy release, this is the list I gotta look at? http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/other/testing.html |
| 17:49.54 | jwash | hello everyone, i changed in /etc/network/interfaces eth0's entry from dhcp to static and added ip, netmask and gateway. now when i do /etc/init.d/network stop && /etc/init.d/network start it doesn't bring up eth0, instead i have to do ifup eth0 |
| 17:50.04 | jwash | any ideas as to how I can correct it? |
| 17:50.54 | babilen | Gargantua: How is the network you are connecting to encrypted? Have you tried to configure it in two commands? Have you tried the same configuration in /etc/network/interfaces ? |
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| 17:52.51 | babilen | jwash: Do you have an "auto eth0" stanza in there? |
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| 17:53.28 | jwash | babilen: nope |
| 17:53.34 | jwash | thanks |
| 17:54.13 | babilen | jwash: Well, the networking init script simply runs "ifup -a". Devices without an auto stanza are /not/ activated. Simply add it and it should work. |
| 17:54.41 | babilen | (also the reason why "networking restart" is considered to be deprecated as it does not necessarily enable all interfaces that were active before) |
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| 17:55.32 | jwash | perfect |
| 17:55.33 | jwash | thanks |
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| 17:55.41 | Slydder | anyone here running corosync/pacemaker? if so I just finished debian packages for hawk 0.5.2 and am looking for people willing to help test. |
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| 17:57.32 | korhojoa | blubberdiblub: scsi_eh_0 tainted, is something I had time to see this boot. I don't know if you want to even try helping me, but eh. :D |
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| 17:58.11 | ppm | Can squeeze and whezzy both be run on AMD FX 8350 and ASUS M5A78L-M LX V2 Motherboard? |
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| 17:59.35 | blubberdiblub | korhojoa, "want" yes, but it's beyond my abilities, sorry. have you tried asking in #debian-kernel or ##linux ? |
| 18:00.12 | alfplayer | ppm: why wouldn't? |
| 18:01.24 | ppm | alfplayer: I am plannig to buy them. So collecting feedback. |
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| 18:03.31 | korhojoa | blubberdiblub: ahh, okay. I'll go try -kernel. |
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| 18:04.02 | korhojoa | and there's no-one there :< |
| 18:04.47 | blubberdiblub | korhojoa, ah, okay, #debian-kernel on oftc then |
| 18:05.11 | blubberdiblub | !tell korhojoa about oftc |
| 18:05.34 | korhojoa | thanks. |
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| 18:06.09 | ugo__ | hi, i've just installed wine32 as adviced by wine. i used "dpkg --add-architecture i386" . How can i remove it now? i removed the installed packages (using "apt-get remove" and then "apt-get autoremove" ) but then i used "dpkg --remove-architecture i386" and i have this error: |
| 18:06.15 | ugo__ | "dpkg: error: cannot remove architecture 'i386' currently in use by the database" |
| 18:06.36 | jelly | ugo__: purge all the i386 packages first. |
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| 18:06.58 | jelly | removing is not enough |
| 18:07.04 | ugo__ | jelly: how can i do that? |
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| 18:07.24 | ugo__ | "apt-get purge package" for each package? o.O |
| 18:07.38 | jelly | ugo__: well... I guess you can get a list using something silly like dpkg -l \*:i386 |
| 18:07.52 | jelly | ugo__: then you can dpkg -P package1 package2 ... |
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| 18:09.41 | ugo__ | jelly: ok, now i have the list on a line. should i use "apt-get remove $LIST" before using "dpkg -P $LIST" ? |
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| 18:09.59 | jelly | ugo__: no, you said you already removed them. |
| 18:10.15 | ugo__ | ok |
| 18:10.16 | jelly | there's no need to anyway, purge implies remove |
| 18:10.51 | korhojoa | Hm. I did 'more' in the initramfs prompt, and now all I get is a double echo. How do I get out of more? |
| 18:11.29 | jelly | ctrl-c, korhojoa |
| 18:11.45 | korhojoa | jelly: ^C^C^C |
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| 18:11.55 | jelly | amusing |
| 18:12.01 | ugo__ | jelly: thanks it works. arch removed. yeah! :D |
| 18:12.30 | jelly | korhojoa: busybox' more replacement does something weird, then. Try this: enter, then ^D on an empty line |
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| 18:13.43 | jelly | korhojoa: if that fails as well, try the default shortcut for QUIT signal, ^\ |
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| 18:15.49 | korhojoa | I tried both. Nothing. Powercycle it is. |
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| 18:16.57 | jelly | korhojoa: also, try suspending it |
| 18:17.31 | korhojoa | jelly: heh. no suspend on this thing, I think |
| 18:17.42 | jelly | korhojoa: I mean, control z |
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| 18:17.53 | korhojoa | yup, tried that too. |
| 18:18.19 | jelly | aight, nothing more to do except reboot |
| 18:18.34 | jelly | sysrq-b will probably work |
| 18:18.40 | korhojoa | yeah. I sat there feeling like an idiot for a while then just powercycled it. |
| 18:19.03 | jelly | that will teach you to ask for more |
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| 18:19.25 | korhojoa | I tried less, but that apparently wasn't more. |
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| 18:19.59 | Gargantua | Anyone know what packages compose fglrx? I've decided to remove it |
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| 18:23.06 | Slydder | http://wiki.itadmins.net/doku.php?id=high_availability:hawk0.5.2 |
| 18:23.18 | jelly | Gargantua: perhaps look at which packages come from the "fglrx" source package, aptitude search '~i ?source-package(fglrx)' |
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| 18:23.59 | jelly | and then replace search with purge or remove |
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| 18:27.14 | Shizuo | Hello |
| 18:27.24 | Shizuo | Please allow me to troll |
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| 18:27.44 | JordiGH | Shizuo: Gladly. |
| 18:27.51 | JordiGH | Shizuo: I shall be your personal army. |
| 18:27.56 | JordiGH | What's my target? |
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| 18:29.32 | abrotman | JordiGH: please don't |
| 18:29.47 | JordiGH | abrotman: Why do you hate the lols? |
| 18:29.59 | abrotman | JordiGH: please go play somewhere else |
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| 18:30.05 | wsky | JordiGH: this is a support channel |
| 18:30.11 | wsky | have that in mind |
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| 18:32.49 | Shizuo | JordiGH: Thanks, bro |
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| 18:37.17 | neon__ | which video editor do you recommend? |
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| 18:38.24 | abrotman | neon__: the one i've heard the best things about is kdenlive |
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| 18:39.03 | neon__ | is it same thing as "lives"? |
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| 18:39.40 | JordiGH | Shizuo: np bro |
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| 18:41.00 | neon__ | screenshot look different, I'll get kdelive then |
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| 18:41.51 | abrotman | neon__: no .. kdenlive |
| 18:42.07 | abrotman | dpkg: tell neon__ about kdenlive |
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| 18:46.16 | stack | does someone has managed to get an encrypted persistent storage within a debian usb live cd? |
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| 18:46.31 | Shizuo | From a file, maybe, stack? |
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| 18:46.45 | stack | Shizuo: luks would be fine but I don't bother much |
| 18:48.04 | Shizuo | What is stopping you then? |
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| 18:48.50 | stack | Shizuo: I'm reading examples of failure and that the luks support is broken, but they may be wrong |
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| 19:00.03 | JohnnyL | I'm trying to get audio working on a realtek alc 622. I go to the realtek site, dl, then enter ./install and it goes through a bunch of compiling and all I get is 'alsaconf not found'. what gives? |
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| 19:01.03 | Devilholk | I must be blind or something, where do I find the net install image for wheezy? o.O |
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| 19:05.31 | jonez | greetings. I have a dell laptop. I'd like to know if there is a way to change the vga mode when I log in, or if I have to reboot and use a custom command line. |
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| 19:06.28 | MassiSpina | ciao |
| 19:06.30 | MassiSpina | !list |
| 19:06.30 | dpkg | massispina: È possibile di scaricare un sacco di software libero puntando il tuo browser a http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/multi-arch/iso-cd/debian-6.0.6-amd64-i386-netinst.iso ! |
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| 19:08.08 | Devilholk | Never mind, i found it. I was blind |
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| 19:27.59 | trysten | hey guys. i'm trying to make samba not autostart. is sudo update-rc.d samba stop right? |
| 19:28.08 | daemonkeeper | No |
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| 19:28.52 | gnude | hello debian developer, i plan a small debian release party, but.... i need a little time before for inventing the people. can anybody tell me when the release is planned. not exactly the day. but a few days, one or two weeks? or month? |
| 19:29.06 | daemonkeeper | Try "update-rc.d -f samba remove" if you really want to use update-rc.d |
| 19:29.53 | daemonkeeper | gnude: http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/ when the green line hits a value $close to 0. |
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| 19:30.03 | trysten | daemonkeeper: i don't want to use it anymore. how do i stop it from autostarting |
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| 19:30.28 | daemonkeeper | trysten: I told you. |
| 19:30.50 | gnude | daemonkeeper: ok. exactly 0 or can some left open. then i can took and see how far it is... |
| 19:31.13 | daemonkeeper | gnude: Theoretically exactly 0. But the Release Team may decide that some isses can be ignored. |
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| 19:32.36 | gnude | daemonkeeper: ok. i understand. the debian 6 release i followed on identi.ca/debian there were news every few minutes. but at the moment there happens nothing. when the release is near, are there the informations again, so that i can look if something is happening there |
| 19:32.39 | gnude | ? |
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| 19:33.23 | daemonkeeper | gnude: Yes. The Release Team will give a release date, once it's fixed and clear. |
| 19:34.00 | gnude | damonkeeper: fine. then i know where to look! thanks a lot. can i ask what is your position in the debian world? |
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| 19:34.29 | daemonkeeper | gnude: /whois daemonkeeper |
| 19:34.47 | abrotman | he keeps the daemons? |
| 19:34.54 | daemonkeeper | Only important ones :p |
| 19:34.58 | STMelon | A dev that talks! |
| 19:34.59 | jelly-home | all tucked in |
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| 19:37.02 | gnude | ok. thanks for the information. and hurry up with wheezy. dont waste to much time talking here :-D:-D:-D |
| 19:37.10 | daemonkeeper | ain't in the RT |
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| 19:39.09 | ronny | hi |
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| 19:39.53 | ronny | for some reason apt-get updated some bits of perl before the dependencies, now the new versions of the dependencies are availiable, but instead of installing aptitude already bails out at configure |
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| 19:39.58 | ronny | how can i make it install before configure |
| 19:40.17 | abrotman | use a pastebin to show us |
| 19:40.35 | jelly-home | !bat |
| 19:40.35 | dpkg | In order for us to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, aptitude or dselect we need the following information: The complete output of your apt-get/aptitude/dselect run (including the command you used); the output from apt-cache policy PKG1 PKG2...; for the relevant packages and "apt-cache policy". Use http://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>. |
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| 19:40.59 | ronny | http://bpaste.net/show/G115E27yqglAACNH2xUH/ |
| 19:41.52 | jelly-home | your filesystem has errors, ronny? |
| 19:41.57 | wjtaylor | Is the first sector on a hdd 0? |
| 19:42.04 | jelly-home | wjtaylor: yes. |
| 19:42.15 | ronny | jelly-home, nop |
| 19:42.17 | abrotman | ronny: HDD full ? |
| 19:42.19 | jelly-home | ronny: yep. |
| 19:42.31 | ronny | abrotman, 11 gb space free |
| 19:42.34 | jelly-home | ronny: confirm by looking at dmesg. |
| 19:42.38 | abrotman | ronny: then i'm agreeing with jelly |
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| 19:42.52 | ronny | oh omg |
| 19:42.53 | abrotman | ronny: i'd shutdown -rF now |
| 19:42.56 | jelly-home | HDD full would not cause an io error |
| 19:42.58 | ronny | that wasnt there before |
| 19:43.06 | ronny | EXT4-fs error (device sda6): ext4_iget:3808: inode #132584: comm dpkg: bad extra_isize (26889 != 256) |
| 19:43.13 | abrotman | fun! |
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| 19:43.23 | jelly-home | it's peanut butter fscking time |
| 19:43.45 | wjtaylor | jelly-home: So if i start a partition on sector 64. I'm aligned to 4k. |
| 19:43.50 | abrotman | jelly-home: no, it shouldn't .. but i also haven't filled a HDD in a long time :) |
| 19:44.03 | ronny | how do i get a list of all installed packages again, i'd like to throw it at my home before proceeding |
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| 19:44.26 | abrotman | dpkg: tell ronny about installed |
| 19:44.34 | jelly-home | wjtaylor: correct. Windows and Linux tools go evern further and align it to a multiple of 2048 sectors (1MiB) |
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| 19:46.11 | ronny | ok, reboot time, what should i do after the reboot (this is my only computer) |
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| 19:47.01 | abrotman | ronny: pray |
| 19:47.07 | ronny | i think i might need a live usb stick |
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| 19:48.02 | johnfg | I went to join debian-next to see what's going on, if anything, and was instantly kicked, saying I wasn't authorized. |
| 19:48.07 | johnfg | What's up with that? |
| 19:48.31 | jelly-home | johnfg: it's not here on Freenode, it's on OFTC network |
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| 19:49.04 | jelly-home | johnfg: connect to irc.debian.org or irc.oftc.net server to get there |
| 19:49.18 | wjtaylor | jelly-home: Ah... I've been looking at cylinders, not sectors... that's why I'm getting confused. |
| 19:49.31 | abrotman | johnfg: irc.oftc.net |
| 19:49.49 | ronny | hmm, does anyone have a quick howto for making a usb stick debian bootable with fsck |
| 19:51.33 | jelly-home | ronny: dd if=image of=/dev/sdq (the whole disk) |
| 19:51.51 | jelly-home | download the image from... wherever |
| 19:52.35 | jelly-home | acutally prefers http://grml.org/download/ for rescue purposes |
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| 19:58.57 | _Towzzer | ronny add a bs=4M |
| 19:59.02 | _Towzzer | to increase speed :D |
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| 20:01.44 | ronny2 | _Towzzer, sure, thanks |
| 20:01.46 | ronny2 | hmm |
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| 20:02.26 | ronny2 | http://bpaste.net/show/J6nV2Ap8YFR4G5eBdvfs/ <- why is health test still passed on that drive |
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| 20:05.19 | blubberdiblub | ronny2, because you haven't actually run a test. you just printed the attributes |
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| 20:05.46 | blubberdiblub | ronny2, anyway, the error was on filesystem level, not on sector level |
| 20:05.49 | ronny2 | blubberdiblub, how is the test done then, and how do i configure it, so it warns me earlier |
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| 20:05.56 | ronny2 | hmk |
| 20:06.20 | ronny2 | im somewhere between paniked and chilled |
| 20:06.33 | blubberdiblub | ronny2, i'd have to look up how to run the test in the manual as well |
| 20:06.35 | ronny2 | so glad my thesis defense was tuesday not next tuesday |
| 20:07.05 | blubberdiblub | ronny2, anyway, you should fsck your filesystem if you haven't already |
| 20:07.35 | ronny2 | blubberdiblub, is there a good way to do that while running? |
| 20:07.46 | ronny2 | (else i'll have to wait for the image and reboot |
| 20:08.16 | blubberdiblub | ronny2, no, not while actually running. you can boot into rescue mode. i think it mounts it read-only then. or you could try to do it from the initramfs |
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| 20:09.08 | ronny2 | hmm, is there a init mode that leaves X running and remounts / RO? |
| 20:09.58 | blubberdiblub | i think you can remount read-only by hand, but i wouldn't do that while X and other things are running |
| 20:10.19 | ronny2 | hmm |
| 20:10.56 | jelly-home | ronny2: if it's your / filesystem, you _have to_ reboot after fsck anyway |
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| 20:11.44 | jelly-home | ronny2: why not just reboot and let the boot process do the fsck? |
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| 20:12.46 | jelly-home | assume it's an ext4 bug, it's a rather immature fs |
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| 20:13.56 | ronny2 | hmm |
| 20:14.02 | ronny2 | what fs's are good to go atm |
| 20:14.38 | ronny2 | somehow i feel like i just want to flip the root to btrfs as well |
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| 20:16.03 | jelly-home | ext4 is decent actually. ext3 is probably the most conservative option |
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| 20:16.20 | jelly-home | btrfs is you don't really need that data eh?? |
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| 20:17.06 | ronny2 | jelly-home, i got my /home on it, using the snapshoot feature, so far it works pretty well for me |
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| 20:17.50 | STMelon | btrfs is still buggy |
| 20:18.41 | ronny2 | STMelon, so far the only problem i actually experience with btrfs is speed drop of VM's due to disk images |
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| 20:18.59 | jhutchins_wk | There is a bug in ubuntu that doesn't shut ext4 down correctly, and it reports errors on reboot, but the errors aren't significant. |
| 20:19.39 | STMelon | i thought they had the ext4 bug fixed |
| 20:19.48 | ronny2 | brb, reboot into grml |
| 20:19.52 | STMelon | from my understanding, it was OS specific |
| 20:20.00 | STMelon | wasnt* |
| 20:20.04 | jhutchins_wk | They might by now, it's not an ext4 bug, it's their upstart/shutdown. |
| 20:20.16 | STMelon | ohh, diff bug? |
| 20:20.20 | STMelon | hmm never heard that 1 |
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| 20:22.18 | jhutchins_wk | I think it was filed against the filesystem, but they determined that it was the system not shutting it down correctly. Basically it flushed the caches but failed to unmark the FS as dirty iirc. |
| 20:23.01 | sayd | is there a simple way to forward mail sent to my domain to another address? |
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| 20:25.56 | Uranio | sayd: using postfix yes |
| 20:26.09 | jonez | I'm having trouble with grub2 on a debian squeeze laptop. I want it to use "text" mode instead of graphics mode. I changed /etc/default/grub to have a GRUB_GFXPAYLOAD_LINUX="text" but it was apparently ignored. |
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| 20:26.20 | jonez | any clues to what I might be doing wrong are appreciated :) |
| 20:26.32 | Uranio | sayd: check out canonical maps |
| 20:26.53 | jelly-home | jonez: uh, comment out GRUB_GFXMODE=, and uncomment #GRUB_TERMINAL=console |
| 20:27.00 | jelly-home | jonez: don't touch anything else |
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| 20:27.29 | jonez | get rid of the gfxpayload too? |
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| 20:27.37 | jelly-home | jonez: don't touch it |
| 20:28.00 | jelly-home | if it was there by default, leave it, if it wasn't, remove it |
| 20:28.08 | jonez | it was not there by default |
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| 20:28.19 | jonez | I commented it out, ran update-grub and I'll try a reboot. |
| 20:28.53 | jonez | didn't help. it's still using 640x480 |
| 20:29.12 | Guibell | jonez: what videocard? |
| 20:29.14 | jelly-home | dunno, wfm |
| 20:29.23 | jonez | Guibell, it's an older dell inspiron laptop |
| 20:29.26 | _Towzzer | hey jelly-home |
| 20:29.47 | jonez | according to grub's vbeinfo I should be able to use 1024x768x8 |
| 20:29.48 | jelly-home | hey there underscore Towzzer |
| 20:30.13 | jelly-home | jonez: did you not want text mode? |
| 20:30.36 | jonez | the laptop only has 512M ram, so I want to use it as an ssh terminal. no graphics mode. |
| 20:30.44 | jonez | I want text mode, but I'm not getting it :) |
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| 20:31.22 | jelly-home | jonez: ssh works better in xterm than framebuffer console at 1024x768 |
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| 20:31.37 | jonez | if I can get some more ram for it, I will consider switching. |
| 20:31.41 | jelly-home | text mode is faster, but then you only get 80x25 |
| 20:31.49 | jonez | right now I'm having trouble getting a purely text based console. |
| 20:32.05 | jelly-home | 512M is plenty for X and a lean window manager |
| 20:32.15 | Guibell | jonez: some graphics drivers use KMS (kernel mode setting), try booting with the kernel parameter: nomodeset |
| 20:32.25 | TuxFighter | Should I use the debian stock (testing) nvidia-kernel driver or the one from the nvidia site ? |
| 20:32.39 | Guibell | Note that depending on the driver KMS might actually be required for it to work at all. |
| 20:32.40 | jelly-home | Guibell: he's talking about grub, that's before linux kernel even loads |
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| 20:33.08 | jelly-home | TuxFighter: use the one from the distro if it works |
| 20:33.14 | TuxFighter | ok thx |
| 20:33.16 | jonez | what is the replacement for the "vga=" param on the kernel? |
| 20:33.21 | FransWillem | Hi, how much will I break if I remove the network-manager package on my headless non-dhcp ethernet-cable connected server ? |
| 20:33.55 | Guibell | jonez: that also depends on your driver (i.e: nouveau uses video=...). |
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| 20:35.01 | jonez | when I put vga=771 on the command line, it uses the vga mode I want, but then I get a warning or error while the machine boots about vga being deprecated. |
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| 20:36.08 | jonez | it's intel graphics |
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| 20:42.57 | korhojoa | I don't see why you want to use a fb console. It really is slow compared to just using xterm. |
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| 20:45.59 | Guibell | jonez: if you want text: "nomodeset", if you want a specific video mode: "video=1024x768-24@75" (but google the KMS options for more specific syntax and available modes). |
| 20:46.02 | korhojoa | actually, 132x60 textmode could work. |
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| 20:46.50 | Guibell | jonez: also, 512M is more than enough as jelly-home noted. |
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| 20:48.49 | jelly-home | will just let jonez realize how slow fb console is compared to X |
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| 20:49.39 | korhojoa | I run awesome on 2m of graphics ram and 228m ram on a 233 pmmx |
| 20:50.00 | korhojoa | works great. also beats the hell out of fb console. |
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| 20:50.15 | otters | can anyone advise me on a good mail server/IMAP server to use |
| 20:51.33 | babilen | otters: postfix + dovecot |
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| 20:53.18 | jonez | jelly-home, again, when I get more ram in the machine, I'll use a graphics mode |
| 20:53.50 | jonez | this situation is frustrating, and the fact that I have low resources on ancient hardware is somehow lost.. |
| 20:53.51 | jelly-home | jonez: framebuffer console _is_ graphics mode. |
| 20:54.17 | jonez | ok, then how do I make it use something other than 640x480? I cannot get it to do "plain text" like I had back in the 1990s |
| 20:54.38 | jonez | I changed the amount of video ram from 1mb to 8mb, and that did not solve it. |
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| 20:55.35 | jonez | ok, by "graphics" I really mean "xorg" |
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| 20:55.57 | jonez | if I can set the fb resolution I think it will do what I need (ssh) |
| 20:57.03 | korhojoa | if you want it to be fast, don't use the framebuffer. how is this unclear? |
| 20:57.13 | jonez | I don't want to use the fb! |
| 20:57.26 | jonez | I want a normal vesa/vga/whatever that is just "console" text |
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| 20:57.54 | korhojoa | so try the extended one then? |
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| 20:58.39 | jonez | one real solution to this is to buy more ram for this thing. |
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| 20:58.46 | jonez | then I can easily use an fb |
| 20:58.52 | gnude1 | hello if anybody wants to follow me on identi.ca/gnude here i write about using debian at business/work |
| 20:59.00 | korhojoa | more ram won't make your framebuffer faster. |
| 20:59.14 | jonez | *rolls eyes*. I will have more video ram available, which will help. |
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| 20:59.34 | korhojoa | if you've got 512m, then allocate more to the gpu? |
| 20:59.52 | jonez | I tried that, and I still can't convince grub2 to use anything other than the damn framebuffer. |
| 21:00.02 | jonez | it's really bothering me that I can't get a simple text-based console anymore |
| 21:00.46 | korhojoa | so try vga=ask or vga=extended |
| 21:00.54 | korhojoa | i don't know if they work anymore, but it's worth a try |
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| 21:02.41 | Guibell | jonez: again... "nomodeset". |
| 21:03.55 | jonez | Guibell, didn't change anything |
| 21:04.05 | TuxFighter | where is the xorg.conf now ? |
| 21:04.10 | TuxFighter | I have to add the nvidia driver there |
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| 21:04.15 | jonez | korhojoa, I tried both of those, and got a message about deprecation. |
| 21:04.49 | Guibell | jonez: try: i915.modeset=0 |
| 21:05.04 | jonez | Guibell, I tried that earlier.. I'll try again. |
| 21:05.23 | Guibell | (this is a guess, look for the exact way to disable modesetting on your particular card and read on the implications of doing so) |
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| 21:05.56 | jonez | Guibell, I'm sure the graphics is by intel |
| 21:05.59 | Guibell | TuxFighter: /etc/X11/xorg.conf, which might be absent since there is usually no need for it this days. |
| 21:06.03 | jonez | so the i915 is probably correct |
| 21:06.23 | TuxFighter | ok, beucause this conf didn´t existed |
| 21:06.37 | TuxFighter | but nvidia-xconfig touches it |
| 21:06.51 | jonez | Guibell, no change |
| 21:06.53 | Guibell | IIRC, nvidia-xconfig should create it if it doesn't exist. |
| 21:06.55 | TuxFighter | so there should be a way to tell the xsever to use the nvidiadriver |
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| 21:08.17 | jonez | I tried i915.modeset=1, and shortly after starting boot sequence the screen goes black. |
| 21:08.48 | blubberdiblub | !tell TuxFighter about nvidia dkms |
| 21:09.04 | blubberdiblub | TuxFighter, the xorg.conf snippet is inside that factoid |
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| 21:11.00 | wjtaylor_ | I have a raid with 2 failed drives. The second drive failed while rebuilding the first. It seems I can still access the data however. Shouldn't this RAID be junk or unmounted? |
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| 21:11.22 | otters | is there an option to remove postfix and also remove all the related files |
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| 21:12.36 | Guibell | jonez: i915.modeset=1 or i915.modeset=0? |
| 21:12.48 | jonez | =1 "crashed" video, "=0" didn't do anythign |
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| 21:14.15 | Guibell | jonez: what's your exact video card model? |
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| 21:14.33 | jonez | I'll see if lspci lists it. hold on |
| 21:16.23 | jonez | 82845G/GL [Brookdale-G]/GE |
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| 21:19.37 | otters | /etc/init.d/postfix is empty |
| 21:19.40 | otters | what do I do |
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| 21:21.15 | Guibell | jonez: a bit of googling suggests that you are in for a rough ride with this card. For some people modesetting can't be disabled, for others there are crashes, black screens or freezes every N hours. |
| 21:23.13 | jonez | lovely |
| 21:23.26 | jonez | so I'm basically sol |
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| 21:23.52 | Guibell | Well, I would consider myself lucky in your situation, given that you can boot with KMS enabled. |
| 21:24.51 | jonez | Guibell, bottom line is that "text mode" is a thing of the past.. it's fb or nothing? |
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| 21:26.00 | XATRIX | Hi guys, how can i see which services are enabled in runlevels ? |
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| 21:27.02 | Guibell | jonez: It's certainly unusual to use it this days, since modern drivers require KMS to work. |
| 21:27.42 | Guibell | And there isn't any downside of using higher resolutions and having better performance. :) |
| 21:28.10 | alfplayer | XATRIX: sysv-rc-conf shows that with a good format |
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| 21:28.54 | XATRIX | rcconf ? |
| 21:28.55 | Guibell | Later. |
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| 21:29.13 | korhojoa | did you try gfxpayload=text ? |
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| 21:29.35 | jonez | korhojoa, yes. that didn't change anything |
| 21:31.00 | fgh` | how can i hide in my server header i'm using apache2 ? |
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| 21:32.57 | korhojoa | jonez: try also acpi=off |
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| 21:35.16 | confusid | Hello, I installed pure-ftpd-mysql and tried to get it to work following googled documentation. I'm using squeeze and for what ever reason.... My linux user can login with ftp and am stuck in my ~/ While when I try to use a user that was made with pure-ftpd does not login. I like the idea of using a data base since I could manipulate it with php but is there another ftpd program that might also use a db? |
| 21:36.23 | vaillor | i'm getting problem with sshd, i've make it listening on 80 port instead of 22 port, on 22 works well, but on 80, it listens but when i try to connect from an sshd client, i get a black screen without asking me credentials |
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| 21:41.15 | jonez | korhojoa, no change |
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| 21:59.15 | wjtaylor_ | how do I diagnose a failed raid? |
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| 22:00.11 | soupwhale | Hey, accessing a debian machine through KVM, and for some reason it is printing all kernel messages to stdout. It's really, really annoying to try to fix the machine with this happening. |
| 22:00.13 | soupwhale | What is going on? |
| 22:00.41 | EmleyMoor | wjtaylor_: How badly failed is it? |
| 22:02.26 | wjtaylor_ | EmleyMoor: Well it's a 3 drive raid 5. I drive failed and when I added a drive to replace it, another drive failed while rebuilding. I thought the array would be toast, but I can still access the data, making me even more confused. |
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| 22:05.29 | EmleyMoor | wjtaylor_: Hmmm... that does seem a bit strange... |
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| 22:05.50 | EmleyMoor | Do you have a decent backup of the data? |
| 22:06.06 | baronobeefdip | hello everyone, I am configuring squid on debian and I need a way to use it to track what websites the clients are visiting the most, plus how to monitor bandwith |
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| 22:06.52 | wjtaylor_ | EmleyMoor: I just finished a full backup 3 hours ago. :) |
| 22:07.27 | EmleyMoor | wjtaylor_: What does cat /proc/mdstat show? (use a pastebin) |
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| 22:09.07 | wjtaylor_ | EmleyMoor: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1626886/ |
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| 22:09.46 | jimmt | just got "E: Internal Error, Could not early remove libts-0.0-0 |
| 22:09.47 | jimmt | " after installing ia32-libs on 64-bit wheezy |
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| 22:09.59 | wjtaylor_ | EmleyMoor: I would have thought it would unmount or something. |
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| 22:10.12 | jimmt | should I do anything about that |
| 22:11.18 | EmleyMoor | Gosh, that is odd! (what do (S) and (F) mean respectively?) |
| 22:12.23 | wjtaylor_ | EmleyMoor: Spare (since the first drive was rebuilding when the second one failed it got labeled as a spare.) and Failed. |
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| 22:13.53 | EmleyMoor | I thought (F) meant failed - obviously remembered right from when it happened to me. |
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| 22:14.53 | EmleyMoor | I'm puzzled as to how that array is still active... no way to continue building onto sdf1? |
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| 22:30.29 | xorentor | hi |
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| 22:32.38 | xorentor | is there any source where the whole process of participating on debian development is explained, starting with getting the latest version, obtaining list of bugs and submitting fixes back to tree? |
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| 22:33.00 | KebabBob | What's the easiest way to set up bandwidth, cpu, apache, memory, load monitoring (graphs)? I've looked at cacti and mrtg, but both seem to need quite a bit of set up |
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| 22:37.16 | jimmt | anyone else wish programs were distributed with statically linked options |
| 22:37.36 | jimmt | tangled webs of dependencies can get tiring |
| 22:38.03 | ZekeS | You are lost in a maze of twisty little dependencies. You are likely to be eaten by a circle. |
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| 22:38.39 | EmleyMoor | I can see that the mess of dependencies is a pain but that's not a "yes" to more static linking |
| 22:38.51 | koollman | some programs are distributed with their dependancies. no need to have static linking, just some library path |
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| 22:42.14 | jimmt | isn't that what static linking is? |
| 22:42.24 | ZekeS | not quite |
| 22:42.36 | dvs | rubs his feet on the carpet |
| 22:42.49 | jimmt | and I get tired of problems with one program requiring foo < 1.2.3 and another requiring foo > 2.4 so I can't have both |
| 22:44.31 | ZekeS | koollman is describing a workaround similar to how packaging such things works - stuff foo < 1.2.3 somewhere else and point your program at it, either via compile-time options or via LD_LIBRARY_PATH |
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| 22:46.28 | Garg | Guys, how do I downgrade a package in wheezy to what it was in squeeze? |
| 22:46.47 | dvs | !downgrade |
| 22:46.48 | dpkg | Downgrading is not, nor will ever be supported by apt. Programs change their data in a way that can't be rolled back, and package maintainer scripts support upgrades to new config file formats but not downgrades. Try: "dpkg -i olderversion.deb" or "aptitude install package=version" using "apt-cache policy package" to get the old version number. See also <partial downgrade>, <unstable->testing>, <sdo>. |
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| 22:48.59 | Garg | dvs, how do you recokon I should solve this then? http://linux.derkeiler.com/Mailing-Lists/Debian/2012-06/msg01110.html |
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| 22:49.03 | Garg | I have a similar problem |
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| 22:50.30 | Garg | ,v xserver-xorg-core |
| 22:50.32 | judd | Package: xserver-xorg-core on i386 -- lenny: 2:1.4.2-10.lenny4; squeeze: 2:1.7.7-14; squeeze-backports: 2:1.10.4-1~bpo60+1; sid: 2:1.12.4-4; wheezy: 2:1.12.4-4 |
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| 22:51.30 | dvs | Garg: either upgrade to wheezy or reinstall |
| 22:51.37 | Garg | I am on install. |
| 22:51.42 | Garg | err, wheezy. |
| 22:51.55 | Garg | This happened after I upgraded to wheezy today. |
| 22:52.19 | dvs | Garg: then you definitely can't downgrade the package. |
| 22:52.48 | Garg | Yeah, plus, that mailing lists is talking about version 1.11 of xorg... |
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| 22:53.52 | Garg | All I know is that the screen freezes and the log for xorg says "xf860OpenConsole: cannot find a free vt" |
| 22:53.58 | Garg | If you have any ideas, let me know |
| 22:54.34 | dvs | nope, no ideas |
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| 22:56.17 | ElGrotto | hiyas.. since MS are turning off MSN soonish and moving everyone onto skype.. is there an IM client with skype support in debian? (with at least voice working, pref video lol). |
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| 22:56.42 | Garg | Pidgin has a plugin for it I believe. |
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| 22:57.19 | jimmt | I'm trying to install a version of zenity-common that breaks the current zenity, it recommends using --auto-deconfigure at "installing zenity-common would break zenity, and deconfiguration is not permitted (--auto-deconfigure might help)" but that doesn't help |
| 22:57.21 | ElGrotto | yeah I looked at that, but that one needs the M$ version running already.. |
| 22:57.26 | ElGrotto | ty tho :) |
| 22:57.45 | jimmt | there's normal skype for debian too |
| 22:59.39 | babilen | ElGrotto: No, there's not. (see "/msg dpkg skype") |
| 23:00.57 | ronny | babilen, i just got a deb from MS for it |
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| 23:01.24 | TuxFighter | are ia32-libs-kde ia32-libs-sdl dropped ? |
| 23:01.58 | ronny | Tuinslak, ia32 stuff is slowly getting replaced by multi-arch support |
| 23:02.00 | TuxFighter | in testing |
| 23:02.06 | ElGrotto | babilen, ty, I was hoping there was an alternative that "spoke" the skype protocol, like there are so many for AIM, MSN, etc., all of which are proprietary products. I was hoping to avoid putting MS adware on my linux box by having an all-in-one that didn't require it.. guess there are none around :( |
| 23:02.14 | TuxFighter | I got a client which won´t start without that |
| 23:02.15 | ronny | (now you can install a :i386 package instead of ia32 stuff |
| 23:02.41 | ronny | ElGrotto, the skype protocol was not reverse engineered so far |
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| 23:05.40 | jelly-home | ElGrotto: adware? Linux client has no ads. |
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| 23:06.44 | akulah | j #ubuntu |
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| 23:07.02 | clopez | ronny: If i remember correctly it was reverse engineered last year, but nobody took on the task of building a 100% compatible client because M$ will fight you back. They don't want more clients than the official one. |
| 23:07.07 | clopez | https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2611299 |
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| 23:08.46 | ronny | clopez, oh, i see, thanks for the info |
| 23:09.06 | abcdefg_ | Question: When I loose the public ssh key of a vserver, I am barred, right? |
| 23:09.13 | abcdefg_ | So I have to use a recovery feature |
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| 23:15.48 | ruif13 | hi |
| 23:16.04 | ruif13 | how can install gnome3 in debian 6? |
| 23:16.07 | ruif13 | anyone help? :S |
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| 23:17.26 | alfplayer | is that even possible? |
| 23:17.39 | dvs | nope |
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| 23:18.49 | ElGrotto | uh, if you switch to 'testing' and do 'dist-upgrade' you'll get gnome3 and debian 7... |
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| 23:20.16 | ElGrotto | but my experience with gnome3 (read: personal opinion) is that it's not all it's cracked up to be lol. it's not the joy to use that gnome2 was. |
| 23:20.16 | babilen | TuxFighter: All ia32- packages have been obsoleted by multiarch. (/msg dpkg multiarch) This was about time and is great! Packages that still depend on them are to be considered buggy and equally obsolete. |
| 23:21.19 | jelly-home | I like how dpkg -l \*:i386 does the right thing |
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| 23:21.50 | ruif13 | better wait |
| 23:21.51 | ruif13 | :S |
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| 23:22.29 | jelly-home | well in my case dpkg -l \*:amd64, because who runs mostly 64bit when mostly 32bit works |
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| 23:43.29 | incruiser | SUP guys! |
| 23:44.11 | incruiser | anyone knows how to install Xbox Controller? |
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| 23:46.30 | ralu | i was playing around with compiling new kernel, and everything went fine, except that network does not working. No eth, no wifi and no mobile over usb android. I ckecked config in kernel and is enabled. |
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| 23:47.54 | gentoorax | ralu: from livecd or some other working console on your machine, try running lspci and making a note of the your specific network device |
| 23:48.24 | gentoorax | ralu: when configuring your kernel you need to enable the right drivers for your network work device |
| 23:48.43 | incruiser | Xbox Controller? |
| 23:48.45 | ralu | can i build fw during kernel building in .deb? |
| 23:49.16 | ralu | i think that i need some prop drivers for wifi |
| 23:49.25 | ralu | propriatery |
| 23:49.50 | gentoorax | they'll probably come as modules which can be loaded afterwards |
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| 23:50.03 | ralu | ok, thanks |
| 23:50.29 | gentoorax | you may have to compile them against your existing kernel source if you have a custom kernel |
| 23:50.54 | ralu | i will try again, but i remeber that i didnt have issues compiling this kernel (i am currently running 3.6.6) |
| 23:51.29 | Less | give free shells |
| 23:51.31 | ralu | sorry for bothering, i will try to formulate better question later |
| 23:51.33 | gentoorax | you'll find with debian the modules may be binaries that were precompiled against a specific kernel, so you'll need to build drivers from source depending on how the vendor distributes them |
| 23:51.54 | ralu | for each new kernel or version |
| 23:52.23 | Less | I give Free shells for eggdrop , znc , sbnc , psybnc and others |
| 23:52.25 | Less | pm me |
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| 23:52.28 | ralu | thank you |
| 23:52.52 | ralu | Does anybody need free rack machine? |
| 23:53.59 | ralu | I can donate, just tell what you need for. https://gist.github.com/ra1u/4252213 |
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| 23:55.53 | themill | Less: wrong channel |
| 23:56.16 | Less | themill channnel ? |
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| 23:57.38 | vaillor | my debian won't listen on 80 |
| 23:57.39 | vaillor | why? |
| 23:58.07 | themill | vaillor: "debian" isn't listening at all. What are you really trying to do |
| 23:58.07 | mmnicolas | because its sad |
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| 23:59.02 | vaillor | themill, sshd |
| 23:59.10 | vaillor | won't listen on 80 |
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| 23:59.46 | ralu | isht ssh on 22? |
| 23:59.50 | mmnicolas | this really sounds like a bad idea, it would be surprised if some security measures are just preventing you from doing that |