| 00:00.17 | vaillor | ralu, i changed |
| 00:00.28 | fnmueller | did you also restart sshd? |
| 00:00.43 | vaillor | fnmueller, yes |
| 00:00.54 | ralu | do you have something else on 80? |
| 00:00.55 | mmnicolas | *wouldnt |
| 00:00.58 | vaillor | mmnicolas, why is a bad idea? |
| 00:00.59 | vaillor | no |
| 00:01.00 | themill | vaillor: real details (probably using a pastebin) would be good. |
| 00:01.05 | fnmueller | and there is no daemon/ sevice running on port 80? |
| 00:01.15 | vaillor | https://dl.dropbox.com/u/23394250/last.PNG |
| 00:01.17 | mmnicolas | vaillor: don't know, but it sounds like it |
| 00:01.17 | vaillor | let see here |
| 00:02.00 | fnmueller | so... sshd is listening on 22 and 80? |
| 00:02.20 | vaillor | yes |
| 00:02.30 | vaillor | 22 works well |
| 00:02.33 | vaillor | but 80 no |
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| 00:02.57 | ralu | are you running 2 sshd-s? |
| 00:03.28 | vaillor | no |
| 00:03.32 | vaillor | is only 1 |
| 00:03.44 | vaillor | i edited sshd_conf to listen on port 80 and 22 |
| 00:04.06 | gentoorax | vaillor: one sshd service with two listen commands in the config. run the netstat -an command and check if it is actually listening |
| 00:04.29 | gentoorax | vaillor: you should check it's listening on the right interface (ip address) also |
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| 00:04.51 | matt8686 | I have an Intel Corporation 82540EP Gigabit Ethernet Controller which uses module e1000 version 7.3.21-k8-NAPI. While it is a GigE NIC, I receive "rx_missed_errors"(ethtool -S eth0) already in case of 140Mbps bidirectional UDP traffic. Datagrams are 1470 byte long. Has anyone experienced something similar? |
| 00:05.38 | vaillor | gentoorax: 0.0.0.0:80 |
| 00:07.31 | ralu | matt8686 is controller working or is it just performance? |
| 00:07.52 | gentoorax | ok if you ssh root@<localip> -p 80 from the local machine does that work? |
| 00:08.08 | matt8686 | ralu, what do you mean? |
| 00:08.10 | gentoorax | vaillor: chances are it's listening correctly, suspect router or firewall problem |
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| 00:09.02 | vaillor | gentoorax, it's an host-only connection between host and guest |
| 00:09.27 | fnmueller | with a windows host, so like almost all bets are off |
| 00:10.06 | gentoorax | vaillor: when I say local machine, I actually mean the machine on which the sshd service is running if that's possible depending on your network setup |
| 00:10.11 | ralu | matt8686 what is eth cable lenght and type? |
| 00:10.36 | matt8686 | ralu, it's a Cat6 cable. |
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| 00:11.19 | gentoorax | vaillor: it could still be a windows firewall issue or iptables on the linux host |
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| 00:12.02 | vaillor | gentoorax, i disinstalled iptables |
| 00:12.11 | gentoorax | does netstat -an show identical binding on port 22 also, 0.0.0.0:22 |
| 00:12.30 | vaillor | i tried other ports |
| 00:12.34 | vaillor | and they works fine |
| 00:12.40 | vaillor | the problem is only with 80 |
| 00:13.10 | ralu | it might bee that you need cat7 |
| 00:13.10 | gentoorax | stop the sshd service, run netstat -an again, and check you don't already have something else binding on that port |
| 00:13.31 | ralu | because at cat7 |
| 00:13.37 | ralu | each pair is sheilded |
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| 00:13.39 | gentoorax | also try and use telnet from the windows guest to connect to port 80 and see if anything picks up, telnet serverip 80 |
| 00:14.29 | gentoorax | vaillor: if sshd is stoped and nothing else is binding on port 80, netstat -an should not listen any bindings like 0.0.0.0:80 etc |
| 00:14.30 | vaillor | no |
| 00:14.33 | vaillor | there is nothing |
| 00:14.56 | vaillor | when i stop sshd, nothing is in listening over 80 port |
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| 00:15.14 | vaillor | i disabled windows firewall, but noghing changed |
| 00:15.17 | ralu | you need sheilded pairs |
| 00:15.29 | ralu | for high speed eth transfer |
| 00:16.11 | ralu | vaillor do you have bridged connection on vmware |
| 00:16.22 | vaillor | yes, also |
| 00:16.26 | vaillor | i use vbox |
| 00:16.29 | ralu | ok |
| 00:16.30 | vaillor | i have 2 connections |
| 00:16.33 | vaillor | 1 bridged |
| 00:16.37 | ralu | ok |
| 00:16.38 | vaillor | and 1 host-only |
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| 00:17.26 | gentoorax | vaillor: what happens if you start sshd with it listening on port 80 on the server, and then from the server telnet serverip 80, does it pick up? |
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| 00:19.23 | gentoorax | vaillor: running out of ideas, but I suspect sshd is configured correctly for port 80 and that the issue is related to the vbox networking setup |
| 00:19.45 | gentoorax | vaillor: given netstat shows the binding |
| 00:20.09 | vaillor | https://dl.dropbox.com/u/23394250/2.PNG |
| 00:20.28 | vaillor | gentoorax, this is what happens if i try to connect to server from the server |
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| 00:21.17 | shroud | it's ssh -p <port> <host> |
| 00:21.54 | vaillor | shroud |
| 00:21.57 | vaillor | it connects |
| 00:21.59 | vaillor | fine |
| 00:22.52 | shroud | i was just trying to point out that your ssh commands are bogus, but nevermind :) |
| 00:24.22 | gentoorax | vaillor: cool, telnet working, ssh is configured correctly, ssh syntax was wrong in the above commands, can you connect from your guest successfully with correct syntax now? |
| 00:24.51 | gentoorax | if not then it's definitely something around your vbox networking |
| 00:25.04 | vaillor | from client i use putty |
| 00:27.39 | matt8686 | How can "syslinux" packet depend and conflict with "syslinux-common" packet at the same time: http://perl.nopaste.dk/p20202 ? |
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| 00:28.39 | Towzzer | maybe you have a newer version it can't replace |
| 00:29.54 | vaillor | gentoorax |
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| 00:30.04 | vaillor | i asked in the supporting channel of vbox |
| 00:30.06 | vaillor | but |
| 00:30.07 | vaillor | <S_SubZero> Virtualbox isn't doing anything to port 80. |
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| 00:35.31 | gentoorax | vaillor: maybe not virtualbox specifically but your network configuration, the fact telnet responds from the server-side shows sshd is listening on that binding and port. It looks to me like something is blocking that port, my guess is it's on the guest, client-side. You dont' have any web proxies enabled that might be trying to pick it up as HTTP traffic |
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| 00:36.36 | gentoorax | vaillor: any specific reason you want it on port 80 anyway? You know that's default HTTP port, if anyone hits that in their browser they'll know straight away it's SSH and probably through a dictionary attack at it. |
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| 00:37.06 | gentoorax | It's not uncommon for that port to be proxied as well that could be effecting your traffic |
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| 00:38.00 | gentoorax | still wouldn't have thought putty would proxy it, but maybe your proxy is at OS level or some third party app, difficult to say |
| 00:38.12 | Ouroboro | do udev rules fire only for removable devices? how do it work for something present from boot like /dev/hda or something? |
| 00:38.18 | vaillor | gentoorax, i need to use ssh over a firewall that allows only 80 port connections |
| 00:38.47 | gentoorax | vaillor: have you consider port 443? |
| 00:38.49 | gentoorax | HTTPS |
| 00:38.56 | dvs | Ouroboro: udev works for that but why? |
| 00:39.08 | vaillor | gentoorax, i installed squid |
| 00:39.19 | vaillor | but to make a https connection do i need certificates |
| 00:39.23 | vaillor | and i don't have them |
| 00:39.43 | Ouroboro | dvs: i am trying to determine what the purpose of /etc/udev/hdparm.rules is, it appears to call '/etc/init.d/hdparm hotplug', but i am not clear what this does |
| 00:39.46 | gentoorax | no you don't need certificates, if you host sshd on 443 |
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| 00:40.14 | gentoorax | vaillor: there are other ways to do what you want, you can use proxytunnel and use apache to proxy your SSH connections |
| 00:40.16 | dvs | Ouroboro: USB flash drives? |
| 00:40.28 | gentoorax | vaillor: it's a bit more complicated to setup though |
| 00:40.58 | Ouroboro | dvs: basically i do not want hdparm to be run for any of my (fixed) drives, i am trying to understand what udev does with them |
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| 00:41.17 | vaillor | gentoorax, the best solution i think that is making an https proxy server |
| 00:41.25 | vaillor | but i'm not able to do it |
| 00:43.45 | ctmjr | Ouroboro: there is a #udev channel but do not know how active it is |
| 00:44.29 | gentoorax | vaillor: I've done this before, doesn't have to be HTTPS could be HTTP listening on 443, that's normal HTTP on 443 in apache and proxy it, simpler |
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| 00:44.57 | vaillor | gentoorax, if is not encrypted, firewall should know that is ssh connection |
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| 00:45.40 | MrMiko | Hi, when I attempt to install or upgrade any packages, apt gives me an error about packages with unmet dependencies and advises that I run `apt-get -f install`. When I do, it fails with the first message being about perl being possibly unconfigured. |
| 00:45.54 | MrMiko | Running reconfigure on perl hasn't helped though. |
| 00:46.01 | MrMiko | Can anyone help? |
| 00:46.08 | gentoorax | vaillor: most firewalls aren't that sophisticated, I've not had one block it yet |
| 00:46.39 | gentoorax | vaillor: ones I have tried include ISA proxy, and using CNTLM and proxytunnel combo |
| 00:46.41 | vaillor | gentoorax, to make it sure, should be better to create an https proxy |
| 00:47.11 | gentoorax | vaillor: if you really want to, you can, google around for the config |
| 00:47.24 | gentoorax | vaillor: easier to get http working first |
| 00:47.26 | vaillor | but i need certificates |
| 00:47.34 | gentoorax | vaillor: generate your own |
| 00:48.28 | Ouroboro | ctmjr: i guess this is not really a udev question, i just want to know what '/etc/init.d/hdparm hotplug' is supposed to do, this appear to be undocumented |
| 00:48.53 | magnetophon | I'm trying to aptitude remove evolution, but it wants to remove all of gnome: 633MB! Am I doing something wrong? |
| 00:48.53 | babilen | dpkg: tell MrMiko -about bat |
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| 00:50.27 | lars__ | hi all |
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| 00:50.48 | MrMiko | babilen: Of course, just wasn't sure which chunk of info you'd want. Here's apt-get -f install: http://pastebin.com/L4svw7z4 |
| 00:50.53 | lars__ | can somebody help me? |
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| 00:51.16 | gentoorax | vaillor: my theory is this isn't detectable as ssh traffic really, it will look for the most part like normal SSL traffic as SSH traffic is also encrypted. port 80 would have been detectable as well. it's possible port 443 is direct to the net as well, as some companies don't proxy https traffic |
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| 00:53.51 | Ouroboro | nm, i think i am beginning to understand the script |
| 00:56.24 | MrMiko | Looks like babilen left. Can anyone please help me with this? http://pastebin.com/L4svw7z4 |
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| 00:56.53 | Ouroboro | he will be back, and in great numbers |
| 00:57.02 | Ouroboro | s/great/greater/ |
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| 00:57.11 | MrMiko | :D |
| 00:57.17 | MrMiko | He is legion? |
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| 01:00.56 | zykotick9 | magnetophon: why are you removing evolution? it's part of gnome, you'll need to "break" the metapackage(s) involved. by manually marking packages - sorry i can't find the link i used to have on the subject :( |
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| 01:02.31 | magnetophon | zykotick9: I need the space, and it's never being used on this pc. I'm OK with breaking the metapackage, but it seems to want to uninstall all of the MP' dependancies! |
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| 01:03.22 | magnetophon | zykotick9: That's not normal, is it? |
| 01:03.38 | zykotick9 | magnetophon: you need the space? but you're using gnome, and want to remove a tiny piece of it? well best of luck. |
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| 01:04.19 | zykotick9 | magnetophon: yes it's normal - you're trying to remove a "critical" piece of something, (in this case it's not really "critical" but it is a dependency of gnome) |
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| 01:05.57 | magnetophon | zykotick9: I would also think it's not really critical, so it wouldn't need to drag down gnome with it. That's a bug isn't it? |
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| 01:06.53 | zykotick9 | magnetophon: no it's not a bug. you're just trying to remove a piece of gnome, so all of gnome is going to be removed (from a package perspective) |
| 01:07.35 | Jt00_ | Hey, how do you delete a directory that has a space in the name (i.e. ./squeeze http)? |
| 01:08.05 | dvs | Jt00_: Put a ? where the space is |
| 01:08.06 | magnetophon | zykotick9: Yes, the metapackage gnome should be removed, but not the actual parts of gnome (at least that's what I thought/think!) |
| 01:08.36 | zykotick9 | magnetophon: what part of "dependency" don't you understand? |
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| 01:08.41 | Jt00_ | great, thanks! |
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| 01:10.21 | Jt00_ | magnetophon: I haven't seen your entire conversation, so I don't know if you're trying to keep gnome or not, but if space is your issue, lxde works pretty well while taking up less space than gnome. |
| 01:11.29 | zykotick9 | magnetophon: fyi, you need to use something like "aptitude unmarkauto '?reverse-depends(gnome) | ?reverse-recommends(gnome)' " on the metapackages involved (in gnome2 they where gnome gnome-core and gnome-desktop-enviornment (i have no idea for gnome3) |
| 01:11.35 | MrMiko | Anything yet, babilen? |
| 01:11.41 | magnetophon | Jt00_: I'm an I3 user myself, but this is my mom's PC, and she needs every bit of handholding she can get. |
| 01:12.34 | magnetophon | zykotick9: thanks! that's what I needed to know! |
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| 01:12.38 | zykotick9 | magnetophon: personally, i think you're wasting your time... if space is limited - don't use gnome. |
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| 01:13.39 | magnetophon | zykotick9: I'm a fan of REALLY minimal myself (i3+pcmanfm), but this is for my mom |
| 01:14.01 | thebondx | Q : Is the following correct ? |
| 01:14.01 | thebondx | deb-src entery for security related URLs in sources.list file is there because we might need some source files to patch security holes. |
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| 01:14.24 | krisfremen | thebondx: no |
| 01:14.31 | krisfremen | and is this homework or some test? |
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| 01:15.13 | thebondx | just wondering why source files should be downloaded. |
| 01:15.27 | MrMiko | Can anyone please help me with this? http://pastebin.com/L4svw7z4 I'm sure that it's just a matter of a couple of commands to apt or dpkg, but I can't figure it out. |
| 01:15.29 | krisfremen | thebondx: you don't have to... |
| 01:15.36 | krisfremen | they're there if you want to compile something on your own |
| 01:15.37 | Armand | To "roll your own", thebondx... |
| 01:15.40 | krisfremen | or you want to edit something.. |
| 01:15.40 | Ouroboro | thebondx: they arent downloaded by default |
| 01:15.52 | krisfremen | they're completely optional |
| 01:15.53 | thebondx | oh i.c |
| 01:16.03 | Ouroboro | to download sources: "apt-get source" |
| 01:16.03 | philipp_ | hey, chkrootkit tells me eth1: PACKET SNIFFER(/sbin/dhclient[2758]) what cuould cause that? |
| 01:16.25 | krisfremen | dhclient is dhcp client |
| 01:16.39 | matt8686 | Am I correct that one of the best ways to mitigate UDP DDoS is to ask my ISP to configure firewall which drops all the UDP traffic to IP's allocated to me expect certain ports like 53(DNS), 123(NTP) and rate-limit traffic to those certain UDP ports? This means that traffic reaches their network, but does not reach my link with my ISP and thus does not congest it? |
| 01:17.07 | thebondx | thanks, but im not at the level of compiling other people's software written in c/c++ :) |
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| 01:17.16 | philipp_ | eth1: PACKET SNIFFER(/sbin/dhclient[2758]) <= how can i look whats causing that? |
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| 01:17.38 | krisfremen | philipp_: 20.16 < krisfremen> dhclient is dhcp client |
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| 01:18.38 | MrMiko | Welcome back, babilen |
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| 01:22.35 | MrMiko | babilen: Did you get this? http://pastebin.com/L4svw7z4 |
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| 01:24.26 | axisys | so any known hack to get more than 6 domains in search path in /etc/resolv.conf ? |
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| 01:24.51 | axisys | we are the fourth company and now we have .com and .net x 4 domains to login |
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| 01:25.12 | axisys | fourth company being merged into parent company |
| 01:25.29 | MrMiko | axisys: Why are you editing resolv.conf? |
| 01:25.33 | dvs | axisys: sounds like you have to move on it bind. |
| 01:25.49 | axisys | MrMiko: not editing it |
| 01:25.56 | jelly-home | axisys: start using long names. |
| 01:26.03 | MrMiko | axisys: Ah, misunderstood. |
| 01:26.06 | axisys | jelly-home: i guess so |
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| 01:26.22 | jelly-home | lookups over 2-3 domains take long enough as it is |
| 01:26.36 | axisys | dvs: move the zones into bind is going on slowly.. really slowly |
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| 01:27.54 | axisys | with ssh i can put stuff in .ssh/config .. problem is with telnet to routers |
| 01:28.14 | axisys | dont know of any telnet hack... besides some alias files i guess |
| 01:28.23 | axisys | with expect .. ugly i know |
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| 01:31.07 | jelly-home | axisys: if you're doing automation instead of interactive sessions, you might take a look at Net::Telnet::Cisco or Net::Appliance::Session perl modules |
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| 01:31.22 | philipp_ | thebondx: can my dhclinent be modified or sth? is that normal? |
| 01:31.58 | axisys | jelly-home: interactive here |
| 01:32.15 | axisys | but I will look into them anyways |
| 01:32.28 | jelly-home | philipp_: dhclient is doing what it's meant to do, listen on network for any announcements from dhcp server. |
| 01:32.51 | jelly-home | philipp_: so yes, it's a sniffer, but again, it's normal. |
| 01:33.18 | philipp_ | jelly-home: so why does it even get reported? |
| 01:33.26 | jelly-home | philipp_: because it's a sniffer! |
| 01:34.30 | philipp_ | the dhcp-client a sniffer? guess i have a lot to learn about security... |
| 01:34.44 | jelly-home | philipp_: take output from rkhunter or chkrootkit as advisory. They both make a lot of mistakes, esp. false positives. You need to investigate things yourself. |
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| 01:35.33 | axisys | so is there another way to feed the password file then doing this |
| 01:35.36 | axisys | append pwd_file ".rtrlogin" |
| 01:35.42 | thebondx | philipp_: read about DHCP client and server |
| 01:36.09 | axisys | may be ask the user for the password first time and then using that for all the ssh sessions for that user for 3 hrs ? |
| 01:36.22 | jelly-home | philipp_: this particular false positive has been present for a long time http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2004/01/msg03374.html |
| 01:36.41 | axisys | users ssh to linux box and then from their expect/telnet into routers |
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| 01:38.06 | philipp_ | jelly-home: i also got the message "LKM Trojan" according to the internet its a false positive too... is it? |
| 01:38.18 | jelly-home | philipp_: I have no idea. |
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| 01:38.45 | jelly-home | investigate the test being made, and draw your own conlusion |
| 01:38.57 | jelly-home | conclusion, even |
| 01:39.05 | philipp_ | jelly-home: how do i find out? |
| 01:39.31 | jelly-home | read the code. Look at what it tests. Look at what your system does. |
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| 01:40.23 | jelly-home | Figure out whether it's something that exists on a clean slate installation or not. |
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| 01:47.18 | johnfg | hi guys |
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| 01:47.56 | johnfg | My printer, an HP Officejet is connected and works fine with wireless. |
| 01:48.40 | johnfg | It does fine as a scanner/fax machine too, but I'm not sure how to get xsane to see it. |
| 01:49.19 | johnfg | Is there some way to add it as a scanning device through System/Administration/Printing? |
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| 01:51.03 | zykotick9 | johnfg: from the [don't try this at home file] have you tried xsane as root (there'll be a warning)? my usb doesn't get picked up, even if i'm in the "scanner" group... |
| 01:52.20 | johnfg | zykotick9, Yeah, and when I had a printer hooked up via usb it was seen/used by user or root. |
| 01:52.24 | zykotick9 | johnfg: if you're using wireless, i have no idea... doubt it'll work. |
| 01:52.32 | johnfg | Not sure why wireless isn't seen. |
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| 02:00.52 | anchorspark | Hello folks. I have a home server running wheezy. For some reason, I suddenly cant access the files in my own home directory. I must become root to even run ls. |
| 02:01.31 | anchorspark | I am set as the owner, and permissions are set to read/write for the owner |
| 02:01.38 | anchorspark | Im baffled |
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| 02:02.30 | philipp_ | anchorspark: are u sure ur the right user? (whoami) |
| 02:02.33 | jelly-home | anchorspark: show the permissions for /, /home, and /home/yourusername with ls -ld |
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| 02:03.59 | anchorspark | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:04.17 | anchorspark | oh |
| 02:04.32 | anchorspark | somehow I lost read permissions for /home/anchorspark |
| 02:04.40 | anchorspark | how is that possible |
| 02:04.45 | Ouroboro | shit happens |
| 02:05.04 | philipp_ | anchorspark: dont drinke & root :) |
| 02:05.09 | anchorspark | haha, indeed it does |
| 02:05.16 | anchorspark | no drinkin |
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| 02:05.41 | anchorspark | maybe I sshed as root accidentally at some point |
| 02:06.29 | anchorspark | quite the mystery |
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| 02:08.21 | philipp_ | anchorspark: thats the fun part of running linux ) |
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| 02:10.09 | anchorspark | yep, like magic, all is working again |
| 02:10.12 | Ouroboro | well, you dont need root to do -r, so any program could have done this |
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| 02:10.36 | anchorspark | only thing I have been running is sshfs into it |
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| 02:16.05 | anchorspark | but its working now |
| 02:16.25 | anchorspark | thanks for the help |
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| 02:18.27 | uberdub | why do I keep getting filetransfer attempts when Im in this channel? |
| 02:18.44 | Ouroboro | ? |
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| 02:19.51 | mmnicolas | from who |
| 02:19.58 | uberdub | dcc |
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| 02:21.12 | mmnicolas | there is no such nick |
| 02:21.13 | LtL | uberdub: /ignore nick thats attempting to DCC send, if that's whats happening. |
| 02:21.32 | vaillor | guys, to create a https proxy server, do i need certificate? |
| 02:21.45 | mmnicolas | vaillor: a self-signed would do |
| 02:21.53 | uberdub | said from dcc. didnt see a nick |
| 02:22.05 | mmnicolas | wait |
| 02:22.13 | uberdub | trying to install a newer kernel from backports |
| 02:22.21 | vaillor | ok, so, some client like putty, supports https proxy? |
| 02:22.32 | uberdub | anyone know the name of the 3.7 kernel package? |
| 02:23.12 | dvs | ,v linux-image squeeze-backports |
| 02:23.13 | judd | No package named 'linux-image' was found in squeeze-backports/i386. |
| 02:23.25 | Ouroboro | uberdub: you can do /w /dns on all the nicks in this channel to figure out who it is :) |
| 02:23.25 | mmnicolas | vaillor: most proxies with connect https directly |
| 02:23.47 | vaillor | mmnicolas, what this means? |
| 02:23.48 | mmnicolas | *will |
| 02:24.02 | mmnicolas | it will bypass the proxy |
| 02:24.12 | mmnicolas | you can configure squid to do this seamlessly |
| 02:24.14 | undave | hi all. i'm attempting to create a pptp client connection on debian 6, running on an openvz vps server. i've enabled ppp in the control panel of the vm, and installed pptp-linux. |
| 02:24.18 | vaillor | let me explain you what i need to do |
| 02:24.29 | vaillor | i have a sshd server |
| 02:24.38 | undave | but when i try to connect, i get this error. |
| 02:24.39 | undave | Couldn't open the /dev/ppp device: No such device or address |
| 02:24.39 | undave | /usr/sbin/pppd: Please load the ppp_generic kernel module. |
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| 02:24.54 | vaillor | and i want to connect to with a proxy |
| 02:25.14 | vaillor | to hide the kind of connection |
| 02:25.28 | vaillor | it must appear like an https connection |
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| 02:26.18 | mmnicolas | you can do this the other way around, but this I don't think so |
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| 02:26.24 | vaillor | so, ssh client ----> https proxy ----> ssh server |
| 02:26.26 | uberdub | I guess 3.7 isnt in the backports repos? |
| 02:26.47 | mmnicolas | or maybe setting up a webpage with a java ssh client like mindterm or something |
| 02:27.13 | uberdub | .v kernel |
| 02:27.15 | mmnicolas | uberdub: no |
| 02:27.54 | undave | vaillor, you want to tunnel your traffic through a ssh connection, over the https port 443? |
| 02:28.08 | vaillor | yes |
| 02:28.17 | mmnicolas | no, he wants to tunnel ssh through https |
| 02:28.32 | vaillor | yes, the last. |
| 02:30.40 | undave | vaillor, i know putty (on windows) has a section for connecting over a proxy. i've used that successfully in the past |
| 02:31.04 | vaillor | yes but as i can see, it doesn't support https |
| 02:31.07 | vaillor | only http |
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| 02:32.18 | mmnicolas | whats the problem, content is still encrypted |
| 02:32.20 | rryoumaa | is ddccontrol a stable project? do a lot of today's monitors work with it? |
| 02:33.03 | thebondx1 | vaillor : i have some questions about VPN , can i pm you ? |
| 02:33.20 | vaillor | thebondx1, ask here |
| 02:33.48 | vaillor | mmnicolas, so, what i need to do is: generate self signed ssl certificates and set them into squid config? |
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| 02:34.23 | vaillor | squid differenziates HTTP_PORT from HTTPS_PORT |
| 02:34.48 | thebondx1 | have you successfully installed a VPN server on debian and configured a client to connect to it ? |
| 02:35.21 | mmnicolas | vaillor: I am not going there, I don't think that is possible |
| 02:35.26 | vaillor | i used hamachi vpn, sorry |
| 02:35.50 | vaillor | you don't think that is not possible, what? |
| 02:36.49 | thebondx1 | no, i soon will need to install a VPN server on debian, just wondered if it took you long. |
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| 02:42.05 | uberdub | WTF Posterdati |
| 02:42.51 | vaillor | mmnicolas, are you here? |
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| 02:44.08 | soupwhale | Hey. I am trying to figure out why my debian server is unreachable. The server is '5.9.158.70'. Earlier, it was not booting at all, but I fixed that problem by booting from network and fixing the boot sector. Now, it is booted, but it constantly outputs '[ [Timestamp]] r8169: 0000:03:00.0: eth0: link up' to stdout in KVM recovery, and it's unreachable. |
| 02:44.25 | uberdub | test |
| 02:44.28 | soupwhale | Also, before it booted, curl gave 'curl:(28) Connection timed out' |
| 02:44.47 | soupwhale | not it returns 'curl:(28) Conection timed out after [thousands of] milliseconds' |
| 02:44.52 | soupwhale | like '5192 millisencds' |
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| 02:45.19 | soupwhale | I don't understand. Does the fact that it's repeatedly outputting 'eth0: link up' mean that the connection is flickering on and off? |
| 02:45.28 | soupwhale | but then wouldn't it also show 'eth0: link down' in between? |
| 02:46.11 | soupwhale | I want to figure it out before I turn the kvm back on, because i get charged by the hour for it, and also because I can't really do much while that stuff gets printed to stdout repeatedly because the kvm updates once every second and it prints about 20 lines of that per second, so it's very hard to do anything |
| 02:47.05 | soupwhale | Does anyone have any ideas? |
| 02:47.13 | soupwhale | You're free to nmap the ip, 5.9.158.70, for more info |
| 02:47.32 | Ouroboro | realtek nic? |
| 02:47.40 | soupwhale | realtek nic? huh? |
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| 02:47.52 | Ouroboro | which network card |
| 02:47.54 | soupwhale | the 'r8169' is a realtek card |
| 02:48.01 | uberdub | its Posterdati that keeps sending file transfers |
| 02:48.06 | Ouroboro | i found this: http://lime-technology.com/forum/index.php?topic=12420.0 |
| 02:48.15 | Towzzer | realtek has an upgraded driver on their website that is a little more reliable |
| 02:49.04 | soupwhale | unfortunately the box is remote |
| 02:49.08 | Ouroboro | yeah, that sounds like the solution |
| 02:49.17 | soupwhale | and with this message spewing out on stdout |
| 02:49.23 | soupwhale | it will be difficult to update the drivers hm |
| 02:49.29 | soupwhale | i'll write a script that will do it, i guess |
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| 02:50.00 | Ouroboro | perhaps if you power cycle it |
| 02:50.10 | Ouroboro | this sounds like an intermittent hardware problem |
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| 02:50.24 | soupwhale | nope, i've power cycled it many many times |
| 02:50.41 | Ouroboro | but it worked previously, correct? |
| 02:50.56 | Ouroboro | is there much traffic on the link? |
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| 03:06.23 | marchtemp | Hey, guys, netinstall didn't set up wifi because iwlwifi was non-free. I installed the package, but wifi is still not working. Any ideas? |
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| 03:10.39 | md_5 | sudo mksquashfs /var/lib/jenkins jenkins-9-02-2013.squashfs -info -wildcards -e ".m2/*" -e "*/.git/*" -e "*.jar*" |
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| 03:10.49 | md_5 | Is only ignoring .m2, jars are still being squashed |
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| 03:11.17 | zykotick9 | marchtemp: not sure if it helps in your situation/hardware but see "/msg dpkg firmware images" perhaps. they're unofficial but... |
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| 03:12.13 | Ouroboro | why do these things need firmware? |
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| 03:12.39 | zykotick9 | marchtemp: be aware taht squeeze only supports open/wep wireless. wheezy and ?kazsomething have wpa support. |
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| 03:12.59 | marchtemp | zykotick9: it's wheezy. |
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| 03:13.51 | Ouroboro | marchtemp: ifconfig wlan0 |
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| 03:15.02 | marchtemp | Ouroboro: It seems like ifconfig wasn't installed. Strange. |
| 03:15.13 | Ouroboro | its in /sbin |
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| 03:15.31 | dvs | was wireless-tools? |
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| 03:16.16 | Ouroboro | marchtemp: have you tried: iwconfig wlan0 <ssid> |
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| 03:16.19 | marchtemp | dvs: Yes. iwconfig works |
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| 03:16.55 | Ouroboro | so what exactly doesnt work? |
| 03:16.55 | ZitZ | what is the recommended tool right now to automatically reconnect my "home server" when my router restarts? Wicd doesn't seem to work for me. |
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| 03:17.53 | marchtemp | Ouroboro: The wifi indicator on my Thinkpad is completely off and wicd doesn't see any wifi networks. |
| 03:18.14 | zykotick9 | ZitZ: why not use a static ip in /etc/network/interfaces? is this wireless (it can be setup to use interfaces as well)? |
| 03:18.29 | dvs | marchtemp: Turn on your wifi switch. |
| 03:18.37 | tuv | how do i debug auto reboots? (i come back to a running machine to find it has rebooted while i was away) |
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| 03:19.12 | marchtemp | dvs: I tried. Bluetooth is on, but not wifi. |
| 03:19.18 | ZitZ | zykotick9: this is wired, is static they only way to do it? |
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| 03:19.51 | zykotick9 | ZitZ: well no. but for a server, do you really want to use dhcp? why? |
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| 03:20.06 | Ouroboros | marchtemp: perhaps it would help to paste output from ifconfig and iwconfig somewhere |
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| 03:20.24 | marchtemp | Ouroboros: Okay, hold on. |
| 03:20.25 | ZitZ | all my machines submit their dhcp names to the router, and i can refer to them in lieu of ip addresses, so i stopped using static because It was the default anyway |
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| 03:20.43 | ZitZ | i.e. http://zitz.lan |
| 03:20.53 | ZitZ | using openwrt |
| 03:20.57 | ZitZ | on the router |
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| 03:21.14 | zykotick9 | ZitZ: you can have dhcp specificed in interfaces |
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| 03:21.53 | zykotick9 | ZitZ: ah, but back to your "how to reconnect" issue - right. sorry i got nothin. |
| 03:22.03 | ZitZ | even if i specify something in interfaces, what brings it back up |
| 03:22.05 | ZitZ | yeah |
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| 03:22.38 | Ouroboros | doesnt dhcp client automatically request a lease when the link goes back up? |
| 03:23.08 | ZitZ | how would it know? |
| 03:23.27 | qasket | allo allo |
| 03:24.11 | qasket | whats the command to get out of `at` shell? other than ctrl-c |
| 03:24.13 | Ouroboros | ZitZ: i dont know, the kernel knows that the link went down/up? |
| 03:25.08 | ZitZ | yeah, i think you're right, because on my laptop, if i plug in ethernet, then the option appears in wicd-gtk, otherwise there obviously isn't an option for dhcp |
| 03:25.14 | ZitZ | excuse an option for wired |
| 03:25.39 | Ouroboros | i dont really know, i think it works like this on some os'es but i havent tested this in debian in some time |
| 03:25.51 | Ouroboros | you can try it manually |
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| 03:26.15 | ZitZ | i was just thinking about unplugging and replugging the ethernet cable on the server to see what happens |
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| 03:26.27 | Ouroboros | yeah, try that first |
| 03:26.29 | ZitZ | i've been rebooting the router for my tests |
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| 03:26.52 | Ouroboros | one sec |
| 03:27.00 | qasket | hey guys, it's Ctrl-D |
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| 03:27.53 | ZitZ | it didn't come back up |
| 03:28.27 | ZitZ | i'm gonna try starting the server without the cable in, and inserting it after it completely boots |
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| 03:30.25 | Ouroboro | yeah, i tried on mine, it looks like the lease is not renewed (i only looked at leases file, not packet sniffer) |
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| 03:35.13 | Ouroboro | i wonder if something like network manager will do this |
| 03:35.33 | ZitZ | it's a server, i can't really use a gui tool |
| 03:35.36 | dvs | wicd and network-manager do similar things |
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| 03:36.03 | uberdub | how do i get 3.7 kernel |
| 03:36.09 | Ouroboro | if all else fails, you can try catching the link down/up events somehow and calling dhclient manually |
| 03:36.10 | ZitZ | one thing i noticed is that even without the ethernet cable plugged in during boot, the machine still tried to get a dhcp lease as if it was plugged in |
| 03:36.18 | Ouroboro | here are some thoughts on this: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/808560/how-to-detect-the-physical-connected-state-of-a-network-cable-connector |
| 03:36.29 | Ouroboro | ZitZ: ah yeah, true |
| 03:36.30 | dvs | uberdub: get the experimental package or compile it yourself. |
| 03:36.46 | ZitZ | my old solution a script called by a cron job that pings the gateway and if it fails calls ifup |
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| 03:38.30 | ZitZ | people run servers behind routers all the time in enterprises, how would they do it? |
| 03:38.38 | ZitZ | other than redundant routers |
| 03:39.03 | ZitZ | that don't fail as often as consumer grade routers |
| 03:39.25 | Ouroboro | i would try something around "ip monitor" |
| 03:39.47 | Towzzer | ZitZ , redundant routers :D |
| 03:40.00 | Ouroboro | ip monitor | script_to_process_and_call_dhcp.sh |
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| 03:40.03 | Towzzer | Every job I've been at had like pfsense with HA |
| 03:40.06 | Towzzer | or something similar |
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| 03:40.51 | ZitZ | i think pfsense is so much better than iptables, i hate those rules commands |
| 03:41.42 | Ouroboro | meh, its all the same shit, iptables, ipf, ipfw, ... |
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| 03:43.14 | ZitZ | i hate when this happens, i can't just apt-get ip-monitor or ipmonitor, does anyone know what package it is in? |
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| 03:44.38 | Ouroboro | you should have it already |
| 03:45.21 | Ouroboro | otherwise i guess iproute? |
| 03:45.24 | ZitZ | oh, it's actually ip monitor |
| 03:45.37 | Ouroboro | yes |
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| 03:46.26 | Ouroboro | i would guess enterprise dhcp server also remember the leases over reboots |
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| 03:49.06 | ZitZ | yeah, you still need redundant routers too |
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| 03:50.26 | Ouroboro | but i think dhcp client should be renewing the lease on link up, win32 certainly does this, and i think solaris as well |
| 03:51.09 | ZitZ | i think so too, there must be something that isn't installed on my server |
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| 03:51.25 | ZitZ | the kernel certainly knows there is a cable in |
| 03:51.47 | Ouroboro | i did not mean "should" in the sense that it actually does this |
| 03:51.51 | Ouroboro | i think it doesnt |
| 03:52.46 | Ouroboro | but i think for your particular case, the ip monitor solution should work |
| 03:53.06 | ZitZ | yeah, i'm working on setting it up with my little bash script |
| 03:53.10 | Ouroboro | (assuming the link actually goes down when the router reboots) |
| 03:53.34 | Ouroboro | if it doesnt, then you are stuck with pinging it, i guess |
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| 03:54.16 | ZitZ | looks like it worked :) |
| 03:54.19 | ZitZ | thanks |
| 03:55.00 | soupwhale | Alright guys, I know this could be a lot of things, but I've looked at everything. I have a debian box with a KVM attached to it. It has no network connectivity: can't ping out, out can't ping in, etc. it has an assigned static IP, but it can't connect to the gateway out. Tracerouting the box stops at the datacenter the box is in. |
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| 03:55.23 | soupwhale | ip addr reports that eth0 is up and broadcasting, /etc/hosts is correct |
| 03:55.39 | Ouroboro | is this a different problem than before? |
| 03:55.55 | soupwhale | Slightly |
| 03:56.01 | soupwhale | I was able to, earlier, update the network card drivers |
| 03:56.05 | soupwhale | which I thought might be the problem |
| 03:56.17 | soupwhale | and the error message that was spewing out onto stdout constantly stopped itself |
| 03:56.22 | soupwhale | but the network did not return |
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| 03:56.26 | Ouroboro | ok, so interface shows UP RUNNING? |
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| 03:56.58 | soupwhale | <BROADCAST,MULTICAST,UP,LOWER_UP>? |
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| 03:57.14 | Ouroboro | if no RUNNING, then cable is not plugged in |
| 03:57.18 | soupwhale | mtu 1500 qdisc pfifo_fast state UP ql... |
| 03:57.22 | Ouroboro | (or something is broken) |
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| 03:57.35 | soupwhale | i can't see past the 'ql', the screen of the kvm cuts off there |
| 03:57.41 | soupwhale | is it possible it would be after that? |
| 03:57.58 | ZitZ1 | it's just screwed up |
| 03:58.06 | soupwhale | Alright, so something is definitely screwed up, arlight |
| 03:58.10 | soupwhale | what sorts of things should I try? |
| 03:58.13 | soupwhale | I don't have physical access to the box |
| 03:58.16 | Ouroboro | oh, this is output from 'ip link'? |
| 03:58.20 | soupwhale | 'ip addr' |
| 03:58.41 | Ouroboro | yeah, i think LOWER_UP means cable is plugged in |
| 03:59.15 | soupwhale | ah |
| 03:59.20 | soupwhale | and no 'RUNNING' means..? |
| 03:59.28 | Ouroboro | RUNNING is for ifconfig |
| 03:59.41 | soupwhale | ah |
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| 04:00.03 | Ouroboro | so does it have an ip in ifconfig? |
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| 04:00.20 | kveroneau | There's no #debian-next on FreeNode? |
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| 04:00.41 | zykotick9 | kveroneau: it's on oftc |
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| 04:00.56 | kveroneau | :( |
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| 04:01.06 | soupwhale | Ouroboro: hmm let me check |
| 04:01.20 | Ouroboro | soupwhale: ifconfig or ip addr, whichever |
| 04:01.30 | kveroneau | I don't have the ofte server on my smartphone. |
| 04:01.31 | Ouroboro | after that, check 'route -n' |
| 04:01.46 | Ouroboro | kveroneau: huh? |
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| 04:02.18 | soupwhale | alright |
| 04:02.19 | Ouroboro | kveroneau: just connect to irc.debian.org |
| 04:02.20 | uberdub | am I missing something here? how do I get experimental kernels in squeeze? backports doesnt seem to have them |
| 04:02.23 | soupwhale | 'ifconfig' says running, |
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| 04:03.07 | kveroneau | Thanks. |
| 04:03.31 | soupwhale | it says 'inet addr: 5.9.158.70' |
| 04:03.36 | soupwhale | which is the static IP it's assigned |
| 04:03.47 | soupwhale | but I don't know if it knows that IP because it's working, or if it's just assigned that |
| 04:03.48 | soupwhale | you know? |
| 04:04.22 | uberdub | E: Unable to locate package kernel-image-3.7-trunk-486-di |
| 04:04.33 | Ouroboro | soupwhale: this is static or dhcp? |
| 04:04.53 | Ouroboro | soupwhale: check what 'route -n' says |
| 04:05.02 | soupwhale | Ouroboro: not sure |
| 04:05.20 | soupwhale | route -n outputs 3 lines |
| 04:05.44 | Ouroboro | are they correct? |
| 04:06.03 | soupwhale | 5.9.158.70 5.9.158.70 255.255.255.224 UG 0 0 0 eth0 |
| 04:06.12 | soupwhale | " 0.0.0.0 " " " " " " |
| 04:06.23 | soupwhale | 0.0.0.0 5.9.158.70 " " " " " |
| 04:06.54 | soupwhale | is that right? |
| 04:07.15 | soupwhale | i should probably mention |
| 04:07.20 | soupwhale | whatever is wrong with it was caused by a hacker |
| 04:07.26 | soupwhale | someone came in, stole my private key, got root |
| 04:07.38 | soupwhale | stole a bunch of stuff, and made it unconnectable on his way out |
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| 04:08.17 | soupwhale | so whatever is wrong, is something someone would DO |
| 04:08.19 | soupwhale | you know? |
| 04:08.25 | Ouroboro | those routes dont seem correct |
| 04:08.53 | soupwhale | no? |
| 04:08.55 | soupwhale | What should it be? |
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| 04:09.37 | Ouroboro | what did your isp tell you the netmask and default gateway should be? |
| 04:11.00 | soupwhale | hmm, it's a datacenter... i'll email them and ask |
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| 04:11.41 | Ouroboro | fyi, if this machine was compromised, you should probably wipe everything and start over |
| 04:12.06 | soupwhale | yeah, unfortunately i can't because |
| 04:12.12 | soupwhale | the linux install script boots over th enet |
| 04:12.17 | soupwhale | the second i have networking working |
| 04:12.21 | soupwhale | i am going to reimage |
| 04:13.16 | Ouroboro | anyway, there should be two routes should like in the second example here: http://www.thegeekstuff.com/2012/04/route-examples/ |
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| 04:13.35 | cipher__ | my bluetooth headset won't register as a sound output |
| 04:13.59 | Ouroboro | soupwhale: right now, it looks like there is no default gateway route, so that would explain why you cant ping |
| 04:14.22 | Ouroboro | soupwhale: can you pase your /etc/network/interfaces somewhere? |
| 04:14.25 | Ouroboro | brb |
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| 04:14.29 | soupwhale | I can't copy or paste text |
| 04:14.43 | Ouroboro | ok, then just show the eth0 line from interfaces |
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| 04:15.06 | Ouroboro | if you are using static ip, then netmask and gateway should be there |
| 04:15.24 | Ouroboro | bb in 10 min |
| 04:16.36 | soupwhale | Ouroboro: actually the last route is the default one |
| 04:16.45 | soupwhale | destination 0.0.0.0 (which means all) |
| 04:16.55 | soupwhale | through 5.9.158.65 |
| 04:16.59 | soupwhale | which is my isp's gateway apparently |
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| 04:17.59 | soupwhale | hmm |
| 04:18.03 | soupwhale | 'route -n' shows stuff but |
| 04:18.06 | soupwhale | 'route' doesn't |
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| 04:20.57 | soupwhale | ah that's because |
| 04:21.00 | soupwhale | hostname |
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| 04:26.53 | kveroneau | Even without a gateway you can still ping... just only to your local network as you won't be able to route out. |
| 04:27.22 | Ouroboro | true, so perhaps try pinging your gateway first |
| 04:27.28 | tuv | how do i debug auto reboots? (i come back to a running machine to find it has rebooted while i was away) |
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| 04:27.48 | Ouroboro | soupwhale: it would help if you pasted the correct route info here |
| 04:27.50 | tuv | i can't find anything relevant in syslog |
| 04:28.16 | kveroneau | A gateway is only required if you plan on routing packets outside your local network... even then it's not technically required since a proxy can be used. |
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| 04:30.31 | Ouroboro | tuv: kernel crash? power failure? |
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| 04:31.36 | soupwhale | Ouroboro: what do you mean? |
| 04:32.26 | Ouroboro | which part? |
| 04:32.32 | soupwhale | Ouroboro: the correct gateway is 5.9.158.65, netmask is 255.255.255.244, broadcast is 5.9.158.95 |
| 04:33.06 | soupwhale | kveroneau: i cannot ping to boxes on the local network (i happen to have another server in the datacenter) |
| 04:33.41 | Ouroboro | soupwhale: i am still waiting for your /etc/network/interfaces line |
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| 04:34.04 | soupwhale | ah my bad |
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| 04:34.46 | kveroneau | A copy of your interfaces file will be very useful in troubleshooting. |
| 04:35.13 | soupwhale | iface eth0 inet static |
| 04:35.16 | soupwhale | address 5.9.158.70 |
| 04:35.24 | Ouroboro | that is not enough |
| 04:35.38 | soupwhale | broadcast 5.9.158.95 |
| 04:35.43 | soupwhale | i have to type it out manually |
| 04:36.02 | soupwhale | netmask 255.255.255.224 |
| 04:36.03 | kveroneau | I would suggest a debian package to copy a file to pastebin... but you can't really install packages let alone access the internet |
| 04:36.20 | soupwhale | ^ exactly |
| 04:36.39 | soupwhale | i also have other constraints, like the only keyboard mapping installed on the KVM is german |
| 04:36.45 | soupwhale | so i am stuck without /, \, : |
| 04:36.47 | soupwhale | | |
| 04:37.23 | soupwhale | gateway 5.9.158.65 |
| 04:37.24 | Blue1 | soupwhale: copy and paste from a website. |
| 04:37.48 | Blue1 | soupwhale: I have had to do that before - painful but it works. |
| 04:38.06 | Ouroboro | does it make sense that netmask is only 1-bit? |
| 04:38.27 | soupwhale | up route add -net 5.9.158.64 netmask 255.255.255.224 gw 5.9.158.65 eth0 |
| 04:38.33 | soupwhale | Blue1: copy what? |
| 04:38.40 | soupwhale | i have no copy and no paste |
| 04:38.51 | Ouroboro | soupwhale: ok, assuming that this config worked before |
| 04:38.56 | kveroneau | Yes I agree the netmask is very limiting and makes no sense. |
| 04:38.58 | Blue1 | soupwhale: proveribal rock and a hard place |
| 04:39.09 | soupwhale | Ouroboro: i believe it did |
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| 04:39.22 | Ouroboro | also, does it makes sense that the gateway and broadcast are not in the local network range? |
| 04:39.27 | Blue1 | Ouroboro: http://pkill-9.com/subnet-masks-explained/ |
| 04:39.58 | Ouroboro | Blue1: i am familiar with them, but this config is very unusual |
| 04:39.59 | soupwhale | Ouroboro: i think they are? |
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| 04:40.13 | soupwhale | 5.9.158.* is the datacenter the box is at |
| 04:40.17 | soupwhale | every box has a static ip |
| 04:40.18 | b3 | need help |
| 04:40.23 | soupwhale | it makes sense that they would use that |
| 04:40.27 | Ouroboro | one sec |
| 04:41.09 | Blue1 | soupwhale: you should be able to scp over a file with that info. |
| 04:41.18 | soupwhale | Blue1: i have no network |
| 04:41.29 | soupwhale | i cannot connect to other computers inside the network |
| 04:41.31 | Ouroboro | oh sorry, that is 224 |
| 04:41.34 | soupwhale | or outside |
| 04:41.35 | Blue1 | soupwhale: oh sorry didn't know that. |
| 04:41.38 | Ouroboro | i am going blind :) |
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| 04:41.49 | soupwhale | lol |
| 04:41.51 | b3 | help me! openbox error "attempted to access menu 'root-menu' but it does not exist" |
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| 04:42.01 | Ouroboro | one sec |
| 04:42.56 | Ouroboro | yeah, nm, these settings are fine |
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| 04:43.05 | soupwhale | hm |
| 04:43.06 | Ouroboro | ok, so, here is what you should do |
| 04:43.17 | johnfg | I wonder why hp-setup -i, then selecting net doesn't find my wireless printer? |
| 04:43.41 | soupwhale | excellent |
| 04:43.44 | Ouroboro | 'ifdown eth0', 'route -n' delete all remaining routes there, 'arp -na' delete all entries there, 'ifup eth0' |
| 04:44.02 | Ouroboro | then try pinging 5.9.158.65 |
| 04:44.03 | kveroneau | With that netmask only 2 hosts will be on the network. |
| 04:44.13 | Ouroboro | kveroneau: its 224 not 254 |
| 04:44.25 | soupwhale | how do i delete all the remaining routes? |
| 04:44.27 | kveroneau | The broadcast should also be 5.9.158.71 |
| 04:44.28 | soupwhale | at route -n |
| 04:44.29 | Ouroboro | so 5-bit range |
| 04:44.36 | soupwhale | how do you know 5.9.158.71? |
| 04:44.36 | kveroneau | Ah. |
| 04:44.48 | Ouroboro | soupwhale: route del ... |
| 04:44.50 | soupwhale | also 'route -n' shows no routes after ifdown eth0 |
| 04:45.00 | Ouroboro | ok, then you dont need that |
| 04:45.08 | Ouroboro | try just doing ifup eth0 now |
| 04:45.14 | Ouroboro | there should be only 2 routes |
| 04:45.20 | soupwhale | alright it says |
| 04:45.27 | kveroneau | Okay. Broadcast is correct then. |
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| 04:45.38 | soupwhale | route -n shows 3 routes |
| 04:45.41 | soupwhale | also |
| 04:45.46 | Ouroboro | hm |
| 04:45.46 | soupwhale | all the sudden i am overcome with spam |
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| 04:45.49 | soupwhale | of |
| 04:46.13 | soupwhale | [ 4285.149952] r8169 0000:03:00.0: eth0: link up |
| 04:46.16 | soupwhale | over and over and over |
| 04:46.19 | soupwhale | to stdout |
| 04:46.22 | Ouroboro | ah shit |
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| 04:46.29 | soupwhale | i'm turning eth0 off again |
| 04:46.57 | uberdub | whats the general consensus on running experimental packages in squeeze? |
| 04:47.07 | kveroneau | b3: try running 'update-menus' as root. |
| 04:47.19 | soupwhale | kveroneau: why did you say 'broadcast should also be 5.9.158.71'? |
| 04:48.09 | kveroneau | That would be the broadcast in a 254 netmask. |
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| 04:48.50 | Ouroboro | soupwhale: does it spam on the other tty's as well? |
| 04:49.12 | soupwhale | Ouroboro: yes, all of them |
| 04:49.21 | soupwhale | it only prints to the one i'm viewing though |
| 04:49.25 | soupwhale | i turned it back off though |
| 04:49.31 | Ouroboro | ah right |
| 04:49.38 | soupwhale | if you'd like to view the KVM yourself |
| 04:49.45 | soupwhale | i'm gonna wipe the drive aftewards anyway |
| 04:49.47 | soupwhale | i could give you root |
| 04:49.56 | Ouroboro | i can look |
| 04:52.27 | Blue1 | soupwhale: on a clear disc, you can seek forever |
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| 04:52.55 | soupwhale | Blue1: huh? |
| 04:53.49 | Ouroboro | hm |
| 04:54.16 | Ouroboro | why do you have that extra route command |
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| 05:26.07 | uberdub | can anyone help with installing experimental kernel? |
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| 05:27.08 | otters | if I'm using start-stop-daemon, can I basically exchange --start for --stop to stop the process? |
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| 05:36.54 | Ouroboro | does /proc/sys/kernel/printk_ratelimit and printk_ratelimit_burst take effect immediately? |
| 05:37.10 | Ouroboro | i set it to 60 and 1, but still getting message flood from network driver |
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| 06:07.44 | Ouroboro | ok, this is weird |
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| 06:08.06 | Ouroboro | ifconfig and routes seem correct, but pinging default gw returns "unreachable" |
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| 06:08.53 | Ouroboro | and all transmit packets are showing as dropped |
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| 06:10.35 | tuv | Ouroboro: no idea. i just came back to find it has rebooted. nothing suspecious in syslog |
| 06:11.13 | Ouroboro | hm |
| 06:11.44 | Ouroboro | if it is a kernel crash (does it reboot then by default?) then you can generate a dump |
| 06:12.01 | Ouroboro | if it is a power failure, then you are screwed |
| 06:13.01 | LtL | tuv: type 'last' in a terminal, probably says crashed |
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| 06:16.38 | tuv | LtL: reboot system boot 3.2.0-4-amd64 |
| 06:16.56 | tuv | how can i find out what caused the reboot? |
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| 06:17.30 | oblio | hola |
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| 06:17.56 | oblio | i was wondering if i can upgrade to wheezy from squeeze but not reboot and stay on 2.6.32 |
| 06:17.59 | oblio | is that a very bad idea? |
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| 06:18.24 | oblio | i just dont want to f w/ this 592 day uptime |
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| 06:21.39 | Ouroboro | hah, are people still into uptime? |
| 06:21.45 | oblio | dude |
| 06:21.56 | oblio | 600 days ?! |
| 06:21.58 | LtL | tuv: check the logs, Xorg especially, maybe ~/.xsession-errors also |
| 06:21.58 | oblio | it's insanity |
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| 06:29.10 | LtL | oblio: it would be a ery bad idea. |
| 06:29.15 | JohnnyL | What would cause flashplayer process to lock 1m37s into a youtube session? |
| 06:29.17 | LtL | very* |
| 06:29.17 | JohnnyL | ?j #linux |
| 06:29.26 | Ouroboro | so, ifconfig reports UP RUNNING, 0 TX/RX packets, a bunch of dropped TX packets, any ideas? hardware fauly? |
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| 06:30.14 | oblio | ltl: yeah i know :( |
| 06:30.22 | oblio | ltl: i'm actually building python 2.7 from source just so i dont have to |
| 06:30.25 | oblio | kinda silleh |
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| 06:41.37 | LtL | Ouroboro: ping some host and see if it drops packets |
| 06:42.03 | Ouroboro | it is dropping absolutely all TX packets |
| 06:42.25 | Ouroboro | i tried setting it to 100Mb and 10Mb half duplex, still same |
| 06:42.27 | LtL | Ouroboro: look at dmesg |
| 06:42.55 | Ouroboro | LtL: i turned off printk, because it was flooding it with "eth0 link up" |
| 06:42.56 | LtL | Ouroboro: are you using this NIC now? |
| 06:43.08 | Ouroboro | no, this is some sort of console |
| 06:43.44 | oblio | anyone here have thoughts on whether it's better to use a 2 vertex IIIs on a 3ware 9750 w/o trim support or on software raid w/ trim support |
| 06:44.01 | Ouroboro | better how? |
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| 06:44.06 | oblio | performance |
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| 06:44.20 | Ouroboro | no idea, i would use software raid because i trust it more |
| 06:44.25 | oblio | heh |
| 06:45.17 | Ouroboro | LtL: i read that "eth0 link up" can be due to driver problems under heavy traffic, but in this case there is no traffic |
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| 06:45.30 | Ouroboro | LtL: so i am leaning toward hardware fault of some sort |
| 06:46.38 | LtL | Ouroboro: I would guess hardware or a very buggy driver |
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| 06:47.02 | Ouroboro | it supposedly worked previously |
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| 06:49.48 | LtL | Ouroboro: your guess would be mine also |
| 06:50.06 | LtL | Ouroboro: try another cable |
| 06:50.58 | Ouroboro | no physical access :( |
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| 06:51.28 | LtL | Ouroboro: oh, that's a problem. |
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| 06:52.57 | Ouroboro | i surrender :) |
| 06:53.12 | LtL | Ouroboro: run tcpdump, look for anything there |
| 06:53.21 | Ouroboro | if anyone else wants to give it a try, be my guest |
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| 06:57.48 | otters | ssh myserver locale prints out POSIX for all the LC_* vars |
| 06:57.55 | otters | my local locale is en_US.UTF- |
| 06:57.57 | otters | 8 |
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| 06:58.23 | otters | my /etc/ssh_config has SendEnv LANG LC*, and the remote /etc/ssh/sshd_config has AcceptEnv LANG LC_* |
| 06:58.25 | otters | what do I do |
| 06:58.30 | otters | my local machine is OSX, remote is debian |
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| 07:04.55 | user_corrupt | (debian noob) I am trying to install Eclipse Juno EE from Synaptic Package Manager, but when I search for "Eclipse" then I see no "Juno EE" listed anywhere... can anyone tell me how to install the right package? |
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| 07:14.28 | Ouroboro | soupwhale: fyi, i deleted your login info from my machine |
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| 07:19.28 | melanchthon | user_corrupt: to my knowledge Juno is not packaged, so you have to install it manually from the site |
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| 07:19.57 | otters | chsh: PAM authentication failed |
| 07:20.00 | otters | what causes this |
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| 07:22.18 | Ouroboro | soupwhale: can you get the sysadmins to put the realtek driver on a cd/usb stick and stick it in? |
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| 07:54.32 | petar_ | im having trouble even using my registered nickname is xchat here |
| 07:54.54 | petar_ | anyway, i guess i have bigger fish to fry at the moment... |
| 07:55.03 | Ouroboro | fish are delicious |
| 07:55.08 | petar_ | indeed |
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| 08:04.56 | petar_ | i have to install eclipe juno ee, but when i do a search in apt-get, I am able to find eclipse, but nothing in the descriptions say juno or ee |
| 08:05.08 | petar_ | synaptic i mean |
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| 08:39.21 | petar_ | i have just downloaded a tar.gz of the version of eclipse that I want to install..can someone please give me a tip for how to properly install it now that I have the file expanded inside my downloads folder? Im a unix noob, but I know some basics like how to move file from within terminal..please help |
| 08:39.27 | rommel092079 | I am about to download debian here http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.6/i386/bt-dvd/ |
| 08:39.41 | rommel092079 | but there are so many torrent link up to 8 iso |
| 08:39.53 | rommel092079 | am I going to download all of those? |
| 08:41.08 | rommel092079 | am I going to download all of those? |
| 08:41.39 | babilen | rommel092079: First and foremost: What do you plan to use that computer for? On what kind of hardware do you install? Do you have a working internet connection? |
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| 08:41.46 | babilen | petar_: eclipse is packaged |
| 08:41.49 | ptrv | petar_: copy the eclipse folder to /opt with sudo cp ~/Downloads/eclipse /opt and then make a symlink in /usr/local/bin with sudo ln -s /opt/eclipse/eclipse /usr/local/bin |
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| 08:42.11 | babilen | judd: v eclipse |
| 08:42.12 | judd | Package: eclipse on i386 -- squeeze: 3.5.2-6squeeze2; sid: 3.8.0~rc4-1; wheezy: 3.8.0~rc4-1; experimental: 3.8.1-1 |
| 08:42.19 | ptrv | but as babilen said eclipse is packaged |
| 08:42.23 | babilen | petar_: ^^^ fwiw |
| 08:42.24 | melanchthon | babilen: true, but it's not juno |
| 08:42.33 | babilen | Whatever juno is :) |
| 08:42.42 | rommel092079 | babilen: ofcourse I have internet connection and I am planning to use it for server |
| 08:42.43 | melanchthon | 3.8.0 is old, juno is >= 4.x |
| 08:43.17 | babilen | melanchthon: Ack, I simply wanted to point out that it has been packaged. If you use that is entirely up to you and, well, petar_ :) |
| 08:44.26 | rommel092079 | babilen: ofcourse I have internet connection and I am planning to use it for server |
| 08:44.29 | melanchthon | babilen: well, i'm myself using the repository version :) but at work i have to use juno, as there is a plugin which works only on that version of eclipse |
| 08:44.39 | rommel092079 | what link will i use for download |
| 08:44.44 | babilen | rommel092079: You only need the netinstall image in that case. That contains enough to install a base system and will download everything else from the internet. The entire set contains /all/ packages in Debian main and is meant to be used by people without an internet connection. On what kind of hardware are you installing and is it a home server or not? |
| 08:45.03 | rommel092079 | babilen: i want to download the dvd so I can burn it |
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| 08:45.06 | babilen | melanchthon: Sure, simply use whatever is most appropriate :) |
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| 08:45.44 | rommel092079 | babilen: I am going to use that for office server (database server) |
| 08:46.11 | rommel092079 | babilen: hardware is pdual core, 2-4gb mem and 500gb hdd |
| 08:46.16 | petar_ | thanks guys...i guess i copy to opt and make symlink since i need juno? |
| 08:46.21 | babilen | rommel092079: You can burn the netinstall image just fine. It is also fine to use the DVD, but that image will most likely contains packages that you do not install. |
| 08:46.53 | rommel092079 | i will take care of the package. I want to know which link should I take |
| 08:47.01 | ptrv | petar_: I install it always like this |
| 08:47.12 | ptrv | petar_: Also because of Juno |
| 08:47.24 | petar_ | thanks |
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| 08:48.11 | babilen | rommel092079: Do you want to download via torrent or do you want a direct link? I would actually recommend to use an image with firmware. I am asking about your use because we will release a new stable version sonnish (2-5 months maybe) and you could also install that. (testing/wheezy) |
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| 08:48.42 | babilen | rommel092079: We also offer images /with/ firmware if your hardware needs that |
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| 08:49.12 | rommel092079 | may I ask for torrent and direct link. I am going to use debian for database server |
| 08:49.26 | babilen | rommel092079: For you personal use? |
| 08:49.29 | babilen | *your |
| 08:49.45 | rommel092079 | babilen: for personal (development stage) and office use |
| 08:50.41 | babilen | rommel092079: Either way: Squeeze/stable links: 1. http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/amd64/ (iso-cd = direct link, bt-cd = torrent, this image contains firmware and is for stable) |
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| 08:51.14 | babilen | rommel092079: Wheezy/testing link: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/wheezy_di_beta4/amd64/ -- I would recommend this one to you. |
| 08:51.17 | rommel092079 | babilen: I will be using 32 bit intel |
| 08:51.52 | babilen | ah, ok. Then go up one directory and use i386 in lieu of amd64 |
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| 08:52.59 | rommel092079 | babilen: this one ! firmware-wheezy-DI-b4-i386-netinst.iso |
| 08:53.12 | rommel092079 | 263MB size ? is that all |
| 08:53.17 | babilen | rommel092079: The DVD images don't come with firmware (so you would have to provide that independently on a removable medium) and can be downloaded from http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ and http://www.debian.org/CD/http-ftp/ respectively |
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| 08:53.49 | petar_ | i ended up going into Downloads folder and did "cp eclipe /opt" response was "cp: omitting directory 'eclipse'" what does that mean? |
| 08:54.07 | babilen | rommel092079: As I said: That are the firmware images that contain enough packages to install the base system. They will, however, download everything else from the internet and you can /always/ install additional packages after the initial installation. |
| 08:54.47 | babilen | petar_: Could you show us your exact command and its output (along with the output of "ls -l" in your Downloads directory on http://paste.debian.net ? |
| 08:55.06 | rommel092079 | ah ok so that is the base: everything else will be download from the internet |
| 08:55.18 | rommel092079 | i see |
| 08:55.26 | babilen | rommel092079: Yeah, exactly. That one is the one I would recommend to you. |
| 08:56.00 | rommel092079 | may I have also the one that contains all because some of client pc dont have internet. |
| 08:56.15 | ptrv | petar_: cp -r eclipse /opt |
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| 08:56.31 | ptrv | you have to use -r because it is a directory |
| 08:56.32 | babilen | rommel092079: See http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ and http://www.debian.org/releases/testing/installmanual and http://debian-handbook.info/ for documentation and links about wheezy and Debian |
| 08:56.52 | petar_ | thanky |
| 08:56.55 | rommel092079 | ok |
| 08:57.42 | babilen | rommel092079: You can download DVD images from there too (these won't contain firmware though) -- You really have computers with no internet connection whatsoever? :) |
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| 08:57.56 | ptrv | petar_: then you symlink the eclipse executable to /usr/local/bin, not the eclipse folder |
| 08:58.15 | rommel092079 | babilen: I have internet in the office but not at home and other client pc |
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| 08:58.23 | babilen | ack |
| 08:59.08 | ptrv | petar_: that is for eclipse being in the PATH |
| 08:59.12 | babilen | rommel092079: Wonderful, enjoy the installation and configuration of your boxes. :) |
| 08:59.39 | ptrv | petar_: but basically you can start eclipse from everywhere |
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| 09:01.39 | ptrv | petar_: and if you want to have a launcher icon, here is a howto: http://askubuntu.com/a/80016/26441 |
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| 09:02.54 | petar_ | good stuff, thanks |
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| 09:14.49 | rommel092079 | babilen: man I am still confused about that firmware. While when I download ubuntu and centos, and I installed them, that just it. I dont have to know what is that firmware. Please enlighten me. But basically, I need to download debian and burn to dvd so I can install it offline. |
| 09:15.24 | babilen | dpkg: tell rommel092079 about firmware |
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| 09:17.55 | rommel092079 | babilen: for what purpose are those firmware that i it needs to be installed too |
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| 09:19.27 | basic6 | i can't connect to an zfs share (zfs sharenfs on openindiana) from a debian box. it works from other systems (fedora) |
| 09:19.38 | rommel092079 | I wish there is an explanation of this in the website and immediately their download links. |
| 09:19.42 | babilen | rommel092079: You might have hardware components that require firmware to work correctly. NICs, graphic cards or wireless adaptors are examples of components that frequently require it. You can /always/ provide firmare on a removable medium (USB stick) and http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ has a link to the firmware |
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| 09:22.47 | rommel092079 | what does wheezy means? |
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| 09:23.21 | babilen | rommel092079: Wheezy is the name of the next stable release. It is currently frozen and expected to be released soonish. The current stable is called squeeze. |
| 09:23.43 | rommel092079 | but you suggested me to use wheezy |
| 09:23.48 | babilen | dpkg: tell rommel092079 -about introduction |
| 09:23.52 | babilen | rommel092079: Yes, I did. |
| 09:24.40 | rommel092079 | may I ask why while squeeze is the current stable? |
| 09:24.50 | rommel092079 | sorry if I need to ask because I have no idea about debian yet |
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| 09:25.55 | pmo | rommel092079: cuz wheezy is stable soon and it frozen now, so close to the same |
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| 09:26.22 | rommel092079 | pmo: soon? |
| 09:26.29 | pmo | soonish he said |
| 09:26.30 | babilen | rommel092079: Because wheezy is quite usable right now and by installing it you don't have to upgrade to it in two months time. Use squeeze if you want to (or require it due to the fact that you need perfect security support or based on corporate policy, ...) |
| 09:27.07 | pmo | anyways to make it simple.. for a desktop you would want testing, not stable hehe |
| 09:27.11 | petar_ | so I moved eclipse juno over to /opt, made the sym link to the executable and also a desktop icon that does start the program, but then it just hangs...could it be that I am missing dependencies? I try checking in synaptic package manager but it does not show any version of eclipse as being installed...what should I do now? |
| 09:27.11 | babilen | rommel092079: As I said: It is expected to be released soonish. I can't say when, but I would expect it to happen within the next months. (2-5 maybe?) |
| 09:27.44 | rommel092079 | ok. I have download the firmware.zip and the files there are in deb format extension. am I going to burn the file just like that? |
| 09:27.46 | babilen | pmo: rommel092079 is planning to use it for a database server btw, but not in a corporate or high-availability environment |
| 09:27.52 | pmo | oooh |
| 09:28.13 | babilen | rommel092079: Well, do you require specific versions of those databases? Which database are you planning to use? Do you plan to provide other services? |
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| 09:28.26 | pmo | stable it is then, but i would take babilen's advice and do wheezy since its frozen |
| 09:28.35 | rommel092079 | babilen just mysql database server |
| 09:28.53 | rommel092079 | ok. I have download the firmware.zip and the files there are in deb format extension. am I going to burn the file just like that? |
| 09:29.03 | babilen | rommel092079: Do you require any specific version? |
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| 09:29.19 | rommel092079 | version of mysql? |
| 09:29.28 | babilen | yes |
| 09:29.40 | rommel092079 | right now I am using 5.5 maybe going to 5.6 |
| 09:30.05 | babilen | rommel092079: You copy those .deb files on a USB stick. The installer might ask you for it and then you plug it in. |
| 09:30.12 | babilen | ,v mysql-server |
| 09:30.14 | judd | Package: mysql-server on i386 -- lenny: 5.0.51a-24+lenny5; lenny-security: 5.0.51a-24+lenny5; lenny-backports: 5.1.49-3~bpo50+1; squeeze: 5.1.49-3; squeeze-security: 5.1.63-0+squeeze1; squeeze-security: 5.1.66-0+squeeze1; wheezy: 5.5.28+dfsg-1; sid: 5.5.29+dfsg-1 |
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| 09:30.31 | babilen | rommel092079: ^^^ As you see you would need wheezy for 5.5 |
| 09:30.35 | rommel092079 | 5.5.29 is good |
| 09:30.49 | rommel092079 | yes I am going for wheezy |
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| 09:32.24 | rommel092079 | babilen: so now i know what to do with firmware.zip. can I ask the link of the dvd. I just dont know which link to pick for my offline installer. i lost the link you gave me a while ago due to disconnection. i hope you dont mind. thanks |
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| 09:39.22 | rommel092079 | http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/wheezy_di_beta4/i386/iso-dvd/ I have seen the link and it has 3 links. which one to download? should I download the 3 images? |
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| 09:40.33 | rommel092079 | please advice guys |
| 09:41.01 | brontosaurusrex | ftp would be drastically less cpu heavy on server right? |
| 09:41.14 | brontosaurusrex | than ssh |
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| 09:41.31 | digdilem | yes, but less secure |
| 09:41.48 | digdilem | there's not encryption with ftp by default |
| 09:42.04 | brontosaurusrex | right, is there an easy way for ftp to respod to only internal LAN connections? |
| 09:42.52 | brontosaurusrex | perhaps allowed ip range or something |
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| 09:44.28 | Dolev | you could add a firewall rule |
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| 09:44.40 | Dolev | to allow ftp connections internally only |
| 09:45.11 | joemaro | any hints why there is no "modutils" in my repos? |
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| 09:49.22 | rommel092079 | http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/wheezy_di_beta4/i386/iso-dvd/ I have seen the link and it has 3 links. which one to download? should I download the 3 images? |
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| 09:50.06 | brontosaurusrex | Dolev, ok |
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| 09:53.14 | brontosaurusrex | rommel092079, i think you just need first image for server |
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| 09:54.46 | digdilem | brontosaurusrex, read docs for your chosen ftp server, most will allow lan only conns |
| 09:54.58 | digdilem | if not you could do something to block the port with iptables |
| 09:55.31 | rommel092079 | brontosaurusrex: whats that image for server |
| 09:55.58 | brontosaurusrex | rommel092079, first one i guess |
| 09:56.31 | rommel092079 | what is on the 2nd and 3rd |
| 09:56.34 | brontosaurusrex | digdilem, how about osx sharing, is there a way to make that aft (or whats the name) server? |
| 09:57.05 | rommel092079 | brontosaurusrex: whats on the 2nd and 3rd |
| 09:57.30 | brontosaurusrex | rommel092079, additional software? porn? (dunno) |
| 09:58.10 | digdilem | i dont understand what you mean by osx sharing, brontosaurusrex |
| 09:58.37 | rommel092079 | ok |
| 09:58.57 | brontosaurusrex | digilink, netatalk |
| 09:59.03 | brontosaurusrex | AFP |
| 09:59.13 | digdilem | what's that got to do with ftp? |
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| 09:59.22 | brontosaurusrex | nothing |
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| 09:59.33 | brontosaurusrex | i just wonder if that is also doable |
| 09:59.39 | brontosaurusrex | out of the box |
| 09:59.41 | digdilem | i don't know |
| 09:59.43 | brontosaurusrex | on wheezy |
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| 10:10.55 | brontosaurusrex | oh, well, apt-get install netatalk was enough |
| 10:12.13 | brontosaurusrex | only it seems not to be using "service" mechanizem |
| 10:12.19 | brontosaurusrex | but init.d |
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| 10:13.12 | ectospasm | I thought "service" was a user-friendly frontend to the classic SysV init.d/... files |
| 10:14.11 | ectospasm | at least, when I copy the /etc/init.d/skeleton to make my own init file, once I make the new script executable I can always launch it with "service <service> start" |
| 10:17.07 | brontosaurusrex | ectospasm, hrm, so netatalk is missing that skeleton? |
| 10:17.15 | ectospasm | I dunno, could be |
| 10:17.47 | ectospasm | does /etc/init.d/netatalk exist? Is that the proper name for the service? |
| 10:18.09 | brontosaurusrex | yes |
| 10:18.12 | brontosaurusrex | it does |
| 10:18.57 | brontosaurusrex | arh, i get it, it misses the "status" switch |
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| 10:19.25 | brontosaurusrex | like service netatalk restart will work and service netatalk status will echo a help |
| 10:20.08 | ectospasm | yeah, not all services give a status |
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| 10:21.01 | brontosaurusrex | any other way to check if service is running? |
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| 10:22.38 | brontosaurusrex | i have them all with status in my conky so far |
| 10:22.47 | ectospasm | there's always ps |
| 10:22.57 | ectospasm | or netstat if it's listening on the network |
| 10:23.09 | petar_ | I just downloaded the google chrome installer for debian...when I double click it then archive utility shows debian, etc, opt, and usr folders, what is the method for installing something like this? |
| 10:23.11 | ectospasm | you may want to be root and run "netstat -p" |
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| 10:24.10 | ectospasm | petar_: you probably are looking at the .deb archive... you should use dpkg -i or a suitable frontend to install the .deb... |
| 10:24.31 | cardamon | Trying to marry KDE and xmonad, but I don't like overriding $KDEWM systemwide. I'm currently launching xmonad from kdm via a .desktop file. Is there anywhere I can put 'export KDEWM=/path/to/xmonad' such that it'll be launched before KDE and xmonad start but after I select them in KDM? |
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| 10:24.39 | petar_ | thanks ectospasm |
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| 10:26.15 | ectospasm | cardamon: I dunno if KDE respects .xinitrc, but you might be able to put it there, or in KDE's startup script stuff (wherever it goes) |
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| 10:27.41 | Mimiko | Hello. Can anyone explain what is the meaning of "daemon" group and is it safe to run different services under this group? |
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| 10:29.14 | brontosaurusrex | ectospasm, thanks |
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| 10:31.50 | brontosaurusrex | well, i wont bother, if it survives reboot and autostarts, thats it |
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| 11:15.31 | factor | Has anyone installed debian on virtualbox 4.2, I get failed to load ldlinux.c32 |
| 11:15.40 | factor | windows 7 as host |
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| 11:16.38 | brontosaurusrex | factor, 32 bit installer on 64 bit vm pehaps? |
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| 11:16.55 | factor | 64 bit windows host |
| 11:17.07 | factor | 32 bit debian iso |
| 11:17.19 | Guest3161 | hi, can i install libcurl by apt-get? i cant find it on google |
| 11:17.23 | brontosaurusrex | ok, how is the vm setup? must be debian/32 |
| 11:17.39 | factor | brontosaurusrex: setup is debian not debian64 |
| 11:17.58 | brontosaurusrex | ok |
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| 11:19.41 | themill | factor: what installer image was this? |
| 11:19.43 | factor | brontosaurusrex: cant find any problems similar on the web. |
| 11:19.51 | factor | debian testing |
| 11:19.55 | babilen | factor: The current dailies/weeklies of wheezy are broken. (cf. /topic in #debian-next on irc.oftc.net and #699808) use beta4 |
| 11:20.06 | factor | ok babilen |
| 11:20.10 | liyuelong | Hi all, I've just migrated from ubuntu to debian wheezy, and it worked smoothly so far. However, I found that iceweasel might crash if I perform the following steps: 1. Keep the 'fcitx' input method open 2. Open the forum.ubuntu.org.cn page; since I previously store the login password, and set a master password, then I was require to enter the password. 3. Restart firefox. In my settings the 'ubuntu-cn' tab would be restored, and master password would be |
| 11:20.31 | themill | factor: "debian testing" is not an installer image; see what babilen said. |
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| 11:20.58 | liyuelong | Hope it's clear, my English is a bit broken... |
| 11:21.27 | factor | themill: yes I saw what babilen said . will download stable. |
| 11:21.55 | babilen | liyuelong: What you said was trunkated (it ends in "and master password would be") |
| 11:22.39 | babilen | factor: You can use the beta4 images (http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/wheezy_di_beta4/), but the stable ones should work fine too. It simply boils down to what you want to use (squeeze or wheezy) |
| 11:23.01 | factor | babilen: OK THANKS |
| 11:23.07 | liyuelong | Oh sorry..the master pass be asked again. 4. Input password and hit 'enter', or just hit 'esc' to make the input box appear. In either way iceweasel would |
| 11:23.10 | liyuelong | <PROTECTED> |
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| 11:23.24 | babilen | iceweasel would? |
| 11:23.29 | ompaul | liyuelong: if you kept the settings from ubuntu, please test this: write down your passwords, after that mv .mozilla .OriginalMozilla then start the browser again. you will be required to start saving your passwords once more but you will find out if it is a settings thing or iceweasel |
| 11:23.42 | babilen | ah, good point ^^^ |
| 11:23.55 | ompaul | liyuelong: migration from one to the other is not a straight line. ;-) |
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| 11:25.27 | ompaul | liyuelong: debian is not a sub set of ubuntu nor is ubuntu a sub set of debian, ubuntu is a subset of debian and changed, not too much, but you'd notice the changes ;-) |
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| 11:26.23 | brontosaurusrex | "nor is ubuntu a sub set of debian, ubuntu is a subset of debian" < iam so confused now |
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| 11:26.40 | ompaul | brontosaurusrex: keep reading and become enlightened :) |
| 11:26.52 | ompaul | and changed |
| 11:27.09 | liyuelong | ompaul: thank you for your advice; I will follow the steps, but now I will go for dinner, see you later! |
| 11:27.21 | ompaul | and not debian so what works in one may or may not work in the other but there are things that don't exist in debian that exist in ubuntu |
| 11:27.23 | brontosaurusrex | ill enlighten when i found general purpose NAT-PMP client |
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| 11:27.47 | ompaul | hands brontosaurusrex twisted python |
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| 11:28.11 | Kalidarn | :( wheezy B4 kernel panics on my system, worked okay in a VM and on my other computer. |
| 11:28.32 | brontosaurusrex | find* |
| 11:28.40 | ectospasm | Kalidarn: different hardware, innit? |
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| 11:28.46 | Kalidarn | yeah likely. |
| 11:28.47 | ompaul | brontosaurusrex: so you want to do this on debian? |
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| 11:29.43 | brontosaurusrex | yes ompaul |
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| 11:30.06 | ompaul | brontosaurusrex: from what to what - is this vm based or ?? |
| 11:30.10 | brontosaurusrex | ompaul, full story: http://crunchbang.org/forums/viewtopic.php?pid=288462#p288462 |
| 11:30.20 | ompaul | crunchbang is not debian |
| 11:30.27 | brontosaurusrex | ompaul, fizkal machine to wan |
| 11:30.56 | brontosaurusrex | ompaul, crunchbang is wheezy and ob gui |
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| 11:31.14 | ompaul | we call something debian for a reason |
| 11:31.23 | brontosaurusrex | omg, stop it |
| 11:31.31 | ompaul | it's called crunchbang for a reason cos it is not debian afik |
| 11:31.52 | ectospasm | dpkg: tell brontosaurusrex about based on debian |
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| 11:32.41 | liquish | Hello. I have had a debian installation and decided to install windows xp for games, but because of my stupidness it messed a partition table (I think). So, one partition (/) of debian is occupied by windows and others are left untouched. The problem is that debian installer doesn't see those, for the more, it can't even see my windows partition. How can I make it see them? |
| 11:32.52 | brontosaurusrex | ok, but i have debian repos only, so its debian from now on, that good? |
| 11:33.15 | brontosaurusrex | bbl |
| 11:33.19 | ompaul | brontosaurusrex: I'll not be 100% cruel, I'll tell you to look at something called stallone, but also I'll tell you this, it is a problem for you to either work their route or your own. |
| 11:33.30 | ompaul | router soory |
| 11:33.49 | ompaul | !frankendebian |
| 11:33.50 | dpkg | When you get random packages from random repositories, mix multiple releases of Debian, or mix Debian and derived distributions, you have a mess. There's no way anyone can support this "distribution of Frankenstein" and #debian certainly doesn't want to even try. See if you can convince ##linux to help. |
| 11:34.31 | ompaul | brontosaurusrex: ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ so frankly use debian and we might be useful, but your problem is really with their router, which is beyond the scope of this channel, get something that works and use it instead. |
| 11:35.28 | ompaul | babilen: that's it my generous streak for the weekend is over ;-) |
| 11:35.30 | Mimiko | Hello. Can anyone explain what is the meaning of "daemon" group and is it safe to run different services under this group? |
| 11:36.56 | ompaul | Mimiko: this is so good you need to read it :) http://wiki.gacq.com/index.php/Debian_default_system_groups_description |
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| 11:37.52 | Mimiko | ompaul, yes, i've read that page, but is it safe to run multiple service under daemon group? |
| 11:38.23 | babilen | ompaul, Mimiko: /usr/share/doc/base-passwd/users-and-groups.* btw |
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| 11:39.49 | Mimiko | babilen, read that too |
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| 11:40.49 | julius_ | hi |
| 11:41.08 | EasyAsPie | hi julius_ |
| 11:42.04 | ompaul | Mimiko: the note on security is your call, each use case is separate |
| 11:42.08 | EasyAsPie | hi ompaul |
| 11:42.11 | EasyAsPie | <3 |
| 11:42.14 | EasyAsPie | how r u |
| 11:42.14 | julius_ | i just did: apt-get install apache2 after that i went into /var/log/apache and that that access.log.19.gz existed and i remember that that machine already uses apache, but apt said that it was installing apache for the first time...no update....what went wrong? |
| 11:42.27 | ompaul | Mimiko: the security note is at end of the list |
| 11:42.40 | factor | babilen: Looks like Debian stable works fine on virtual box |
| 11:43.00 | julius_ | factor, it does |
| 11:43.11 | ompaul | EasyAsPie: -ot is useful |
| 11:43.16 | EasyAsPie | ? |
| 11:43.23 | ompaul | #debian-offtopic ;-) |
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| 11:44.36 | Mimiko | ompaul, there is no security note on the end of the list. The last entry is for "cupsys" |
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| 11:45.02 | babilen | factor: Yeah, sure. All I was saying was that /only/ the dailies/weeklies for wheezy have to the problem you encountered. The beta4 that I linked does not. You can therefore use /either/ squeeze or wheezy (with beta4) and simply choose whichever you prefer. |
| 11:45.05 | EasyAsPie | what dog ou mean? |
| 11:45.33 | factor | babilen: or both |
| 11:47.09 | babilen | factor: No, you cannot chose both. (not at exactly the same time and the same box) |
| 11:47.34 | factor | ppsft |
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| 11:49.15 | ompaul | Mimiko: on the page I pointed to there is, where is suggests if you want to be sure about separating things then the daemon may run as a specific user |
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| 11:49.42 | ompaul | EasyAsPie: /join #debian-offtopic |
| 11:49.46 | EasyAsPie | y? |
| 11:50.11 | ompaul | chatter and here do not go well together |
| 11:50.17 | Mimiko | ompaul, oh, this which starts whit LSB 1.3 :) |
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| 11:51.15 | babilen | factor: ;) |
| 11:51.47 | ompaul | Mimiko: this is the line to which I refer, and your comment does not inspire me that you understand what I am suggesting. daemon: Some unprivileged daemons that need to be able to write to some files on disk run as daemon.daemon (portmap, atd, probably others). Daemons that don't need to own any files can run as nobody.nogroup instead, and more complex or security conscious daemons run as dedicated users. The daemon user is also handy for locally |
| 11:51.49 | ompaul | installed daemons, probably. |
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| 11:59.35 | Kalidarn | interesting i386 debian doesn't kernel panic |
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| 12:01.05 | babilen | Kalidarn: What's the error? Is that the 686-pae kernel on an amd64 system or a completely differen system? |
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| 12:01.39 | Kalidarn | yes babilen |
| 12:01.48 | Kalidarn | the 686 pae kernel seems to work |
| 12:01.57 | Kalidarn | the amd64 wheezy kernel seems to panic |
| 12:02.08 | babilen | What's the error? |
| 12:02.09 | Kalidarn | (cpu is i7 930) |
| 12:02.21 | Kalidarn | something about grub, then when it actually does boot, it panics |
| 12:02.26 | Kalidarn | i didn't write it down :P |
| 12:02.27 | babilen | How? |
| 12:02.29 | Kalidarn | ill take a photo of it |
| 12:02.34 | babilen | Please do and file a bug. |
| 12:03.09 | babilen | Would you mind trying the 3.7 kernel in experimental? (amd64) |
| 12:03.17 | babilen | ,kernels |
| 12:03.18 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 3.7-trunk-686-pae (3.7.3-1~experimental.1); sid: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.35-2); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.35-2); squeeze-backports: 3.2.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.2.35-2~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-46); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-35~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-29) |
| 12:03.29 | babilen | ,kernels --arch amd64 |
| 12:03.30 | judd | (kernels [--release <squeeze>]) -- Outputs the kernel versions in the archive, optionally restricted to one release. Note that semi-major releases like etchnhalf are treated as separate releases. |
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| 12:03.40 | babilen | sniff |
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| 12:04.10 | babilen | Kalidarn: Please also make sure that you have the latest version before investigating further. |
| 12:04.24 | Kalidarn | yeah im going to get the one released yesterday to check |
| 12:04.31 | Kalidarn | though there's some syslinux problem with that. |
| 12:04.39 | Kalidarn | Severity: grave |
| 12:04.40 | Kalidarn | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:04.42 | babilen | Kalidarn: Oh, is there? |
| 12:04.43 | Kalidarn | and they tell you to use beta 4 |
| 12:04.55 | Kalidarn | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=699890 |
| 12:04.56 | babilen | For the installation, yes. I am very much aware of that :) |
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| 12:05.16 | babilen | I wasn't aware that this causes problem after the installation though. |
| 12:05.24 | Kalidarn | oh |
| 12:05.29 | Kalidarn | no im trying to run the installer |
| 12:05.37 | babilen | Ah, did you say that? |
| 12:05.57 | Kalidarn | i tried with debian-wheezy-DI-b4-amd64-i386-netinst.iso and i noticed that only amd64 EFI options came up in grub too |
| 12:06.02 | Kalidarn | and this system doesn't do EFI :S |
| 12:06.19 | Kalidarn | i figured i should use that as the bug there says to use DI b4 |
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| 12:07.11 | babilen | yes, beta4 is unaffected from that particular bug. (the images were built with a suitable syslinux version) |
| 12:07.26 | Kalidarn | right, well that one on my system kernel panics, so ill take a photo |
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| 12:07.34 | Kalidarn | and unplug all unecessary USB devices |
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| 12:08.44 | babilen | Kalidarn: Great, thank you. Not sure what I can suggest now :-/ -- You could install the system on different hardware and migrate it in the hope that it works /after/ the installation. |
| 12:09.29 | Kalidarn | yeah |
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| 12:09.41 | Kalidarn | im actually hoping to install to a USB device |
| 12:09.46 | Kalidarn | but we'll see if that's possible. |
| 12:09.55 | babilen | Kalidarn: But please file a bug in either case (installation-report for the installation) -- You could also install a minimal squeeze amd64 system and upgrade that to wheezy (http://www.debian.org/releases/wheezy/amd64/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html) |
| 12:10.06 | Kalidarn | yeah will do |
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| 12:10.19 | Kalidarn | ill just do a little more testing to try to find out if it's a particular usb device i had plugged in |
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| 12:10.49 | liyuelong | OK, I'm back. The problem seems disapearing if I start iceweasel with a 'clean' .mozilla folder; but I wanna keep my customizations and extensions. Any suggestions on 'cleaning' my .mozilla folder? |
| 12:10.55 | babilen | Or come here (or ask in #debian-boot or #debian-kernel) before filing the bug once you have the actual error. We would also need a detailed description of the hardware and your exact installation steps. |
| 12:12.01 | babilen | Kalidarn: It would be wonderful if you could do that as it would help us to fix these issues before the release. It /might/ be that the current installer/kernel does not have this problem (if only you could try it!) |
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| 12:12.45 | Kalidarn | yeah i have tried one from a week ago, and it did the same thing |
| 12:12.51 | babilen | Kalidarn: I know that the syslinux maintainer will be asked to reupload the older syslinux version (the one that works) soon and I therefore expect working dailies/weeklies to appear soonish (max 14 days!) |
| 12:13.03 | Kalidarn | right |
| 12:13.19 | Kalidarn | ill check B4 without anything but a PS2 keyboard plugged in, should be basic enough |
| 12:13.31 | babilen | Kalidarn: Best you can do right now: Get the exact error message and discuss it in #debian-boot and file a bug report (afterwards) |
| 12:13.32 | Kalidarn | if it still panics im going to have to try the latest nightly |
| 12:13.36 | Kalidarn | yeah |
| 12:13.42 | babilen | thank you! :) |
| 12:13.54 | Kalidarn | i'm used to filing bugs ;) |
| 12:14.01 | babilen | (#debian-boot is on irc.oftc.net) |
| 12:14.18 | babilen | Kalidarn: It's still work and I am grateful for every bug report |
| 12:14.24 | Kalidarn | yep |
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| 12:18.30 | babilen | Kalidarn: There will be a RC1 installer soon that hopefully works for you :-) |
| 12:18.47 | Kalidarn | hopefully i figure out the issue before then ;) |
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| 12:21.01 | Kalidarn | i noticed very briefly it comes up with Error "prefix" does not exist. |
| 12:21.08 | Kalidarn | before the grub option menu |
| 12:21.23 | korhojoa | How do I report a debian primary mirror being down? |
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| 12:22.22 | Kalidarn | that is interesting the error is "could not read file". |
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| 12:23.03 | Kalidarn | though that CD media was verified. |
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| 12:24.01 | babilen | korhojoa: Which one is it? |
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| 12:24.27 | korhojoa | babilen: ftp.fi.debian.org (trumpetti.atm.tut.fi) |
| 12:24.53 | korhojoa | It's been up and down for a few days now. |
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| 12:25.40 | babilen | korhojoa: You could ping #debian-mirrors about it. I would recommend to use http.debian.net these days (read http://http.debian.net) |
| 12:27.44 | ectospasm | babilen: would http.debian.net be appropriate as a source for a local partial Debian mirror (e.g. debmirror or reprepro)? |
| 12:27.58 | korhojoa | babilen: okay. cool. I didn't know about http.debian.net How recent is it? |
| 12:29.22 | babilen | ectospasm: Not sure .. |
| 12:29.39 | babilen | korhojoa: Reasonably recent. It is the next iteration of what began with cdn.debian.org |
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| 12:30.36 | Kalidarn | babilen: which media would you recommend me trying? |
| 12:30.36 | korhojoa | I've always used ftp.fi, but seeing as it's been rather shaky, I think I'm switching over to that now then. |
| 12:30.38 | Kalidarn | debian-testing-amd64-netinst.iso 2013-02-09 10:16 |
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| 12:31.01 | babilen | Kalidarn: That one is definitely broken |
| 12:31.11 | Kalidarn | oh okay then i won't try that |
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| 12:31.41 | Kalidarn | is there a weekly netinst? |
| 12:31.43 | ectospasm | heh, it looked like http.debian.net chose the mirror I had been using. |
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| 12:32.53 | Kalidarn | babilen: how bout debian-testing-amd64-CD-1.iso 2013-02-04 06:07 631M |
| 12:33.17 | Kalidarn | not sure when the broken syslinux was introduced |
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| 12:34.07 | EasyAsPie | hi all valeriusN |
| 12:34.57 | babilen | Kalidarn: Let me check -- I am sure that that one is too old too (that that too too toot toot) |
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| 12:35.18 | Kalidarn | okies |
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| 12:35.28 | julius_ | my email server is behind a router, what port do i need to forward to be able to receive email? |
| 12:36.22 | flowers | is it channel for gays? |
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| 12:37.21 | babilen | Kalidarn: Mon, 28 Jan 2013 09:08:40 +0100 (everything afterwards is broken) |
| 12:37.54 | flowers | Русские есть? |
| 12:38.39 | babilen | !ru |
| 12:38.39 | dpkg | Это английскоговорящий канал, пожалуйста, говорите по-английски или посетите #debian-russian (irc.freenode.net) (Russian speakers please go to #debian-russian) |
| 12:39.11 | flowers | Вот в чем дело? =) |
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| 12:40.47 | Kalidarn | babilen: im thinking the problem is with the multi arch media, cos it only has the option of EFI (the systme doesn't have EFI) |
| 12:41.04 | Kalidarn | so that's probably why i get http://i.imgur.com/VzyIcNk.jpg then http://i.imgur.com/Lb2InaY.jpg |
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| 12:45.37 | EpicUser | hii |
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| 12:46.24 | Agiofws | hello |
| 12:46.56 | babilen | Kalidarn: I am not too familiar with these images, but I thought that all of them support BIOS and EFI boot. Would you mind taking it to #debian-boot on irc.oftc.net (I will be afk for a while) |
| 12:47.14 | Kalidarn | kk |
| 12:47.27 | Agiofws | can anyone tell me what kernel does wheezy use and if this link corresponds to the wheezy net installer ? http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 12:47.34 | babilen | Kalidarn: Thanks a lot! :) (see you later) |
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| 12:50.03 | Agiofws | hello |
| 12:50.05 | Agiofws | can anyone tell me what kernel does wheezy use and if this link corresponds to the wheezy net installer ? http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
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| 12:56.12 | Agiofws | can anyone tell me what kernel does wheezy use and if this link corresponds to the wheezy net installer ? http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
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| 12:56.56 | MrFrood | Agiofws: we got the Q no need to repeat yourself |
| 12:58.07 | MrFrood | !tell Agiofws about kernel |
| 12:59.01 | EasyAsPie | hi MrFrood |
| 12:59.06 | Agiofws | i don't understand that MrFrood |
| 12:59.13 | EasyAsPie | how r u? |
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| 13:00.55 | MrFrood | EasyAsPie: dandy, Agiofws A new buffer should of opened up in your IRC client with a message from dpkg (the infobot here) listing the kernel versions for the vatious Debian releases |
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| 13:01.49 | Agiofws | new "buffer" does not mention anything about wheezy MrFrood |
| 13:02.52 | MrFrood | well I thing wheezy is 3.2.35 |
| 13:03.15 | Agiofws | think* ok thank you MrFrood :) |
| 13:03.30 | MrFrood | Agiofws: try '/msg dpkg wheezy' for your other question |
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| 13:03.38 | Agiofws | but is that right link to download wheezy 64 bit ? |
| 13:03.40 | Agiofws | ok |
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| 13:25.33 | Psychonaut | Hi guys I have an package in wheezy (64bit) which requires ia32-libs-i386 how to solve that ? |
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| 13:25.41 | Psychonaut | I heard dpkg --add-architecture i386 can damage your system |
| 13:26.58 | SiDz | hm.. it didnt damage mine |
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| 13:27.19 | SiDz | and ia32-* doesn't "exist" anymore |
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| 13:31.02 | rockon | Psychonaut:learn how to use multiarch http://wiki.debian.org/Multiarch/HOWTO |
| 13:31.25 | Psychonaut | thx |
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| 13:36.04 | babilen | Psychonaut: ia32- packages have been deprecated and shouldn't be used anymore on wheezy. Every package that depends on them is broken and you should just install the i386 package directly with multiarch. Install missing dependencies with "apt-get -f install" (-f == fix broken == install missing dependencies) |
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| 13:42.02 | Psychonaut | ok |
| 13:43.20 | Psychonaut | the thing is that I downloaded some wine packages for sid, but those depends on those packages |
| 13:44.47 | uberdub | can anyone tell me how to meet unmet dependencies to run 3.7 kernel? |
| 13:45.11 | uberdub | cant find a tutorial any where |
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| 13:46.02 | NiLon | hmm can anyone think of simple tool that would pastebin given file and link id? or do I need to write it myself :p |
| 13:46.15 | NiLon | if it's in repo it would be best |
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| 13:47.09 | scriptiee | uberdub: apt-get -f install? |
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| 13:47.35 | Guibell | NiLon: pastebinit |
| 13:48.00 | uberdub | scriptiee: is its a good idea to force? |
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| 13:48.20 | NiLon | Guibell perfect |
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| 13:49.25 | scriptiee | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:49.50 | scriptiee | "apt-get -f install" (-f == fix broken == install missing dependencies) |
| 13:49.59 | scriptiee | courtesy of babilen :D |
| 13:50.57 | babilen | heh :D |
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| 13:51.45 | babilen | uberdub: It also depends on how you installed the kernel - You really shouldn't have unmet dependencies, but meh |
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| 13:52.31 | uberdub | running that does nothing |
| 13:54.09 | uberdub | this is what it says when I try to install it |
| 13:54.11 | uberdub | http://pastebin.com/tiaZX0tG |
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| 13:59.17 | rockon | uberdub:that linux-image exists in experimental and not in unstable branch |
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| 13:59.53 | uberdub | so..-unstable, +experimental? |
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| 14:00.02 | rockon | yes |
| 14:00.08 | uberdub | even if I run it with out it it says the same thing |
| 14:00.14 | abrotman | what? |
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| 14:00.29 | pasqua2013 | ciao |
| 14:00.34 | pasqua2013 | !lista |
| 14:00.41 | uberdub | same output |
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| 14:00.58 | abrotman | ugh |
| 14:01.08 | korhojoa | how does this keep happening |
| 14:01.46 | korhojoa | uberdub: so what are you trying to do with 3.7 |
| 14:01.52 | abrotman | they like warez |
| 14:02.45 | uberdub | korhojoa, hoping it fixes all the bug I seem to get when I upgrade to a newer kernel |
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| 14:05.22 | uberdub | I remember running a 3.6 kernel in ubuntu at one point. sleep/suspend still didnt woprk |
| 14:05.33 | korhojoa | well, if you really want to do this, and i'm not suggesting this, you just add the other packages to the list |
| 14:05.42 | abrotman | huh? |
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| 14:06.20 | uberdub | you said to run a newer kernel korhojoa |
| 14:07.29 | korhojoa | uberdub: so did you try the backports one? |
| 14:07.35 | uberdub | if 3.7 doesnt work, then Ill have to custokm build to get everything necessary for a laptopto work |
| 14:07.46 | abrotman | no backports for unstable |
| 14:07.47 | uberdub | no |
| 14:07.59 | uberdub | I already know it doesnt work |
| 14:08.16 | uberdub | its wheezy kernel correct? |
| 14:08.18 | korhojoa | I meant the 3.2 one, for stable. |
| 14:08.42 | abrotman | uberdub: what is uname -r now? |
| 14:08.42 | korhojoa | backported from wheezy, yes. |
| 14:08.50 | uberdub | there are several in backports if I recall |
| 14:09.00 | abrotman | just one |
| 14:09.14 | abrotman | sort of :) |
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| 14:09.29 | uberdub | 2.6.32-5-686 |
| 14:09.30 | abrotman | same source tree, different buld options |
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| 14:10.12 | uberdub | its hasnt worked with any 3.xxx kernel ive ever tried on any distro |
| 14:10.44 | uberdub | and this kernel doesnt seem to recognize my bluetooth |
| 14:11.46 | uberdub | I know sooner than later 2.6 is gonna be phased out completely |
| 14:12.13 | uberdub | sleep suspend either has to start working again, or I need a new machine |
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| 14:13.13 | uberdub | never really narrowed it down |
| 14:13.43 | uberdub | seems to either be the driver, the kernel, or wifi card interefering |
| 14:13.59 | uberdub | but all works fine in 2.6 kernels |
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| 14:20.06 | uberdub | So, is this a bad idea? |
| 14:20.08 | uberdub | lulz |
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| 14:22.57 | Eediot | Hello. I'm on dual boot. I can mount my other filesystem by navigating to it and clicking on it. But how do I do it via terminal? mount /dev/sda2 doesn't work. |
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| 14:25.27 | Towzzer | what fs is it? |
| 14:26.07 | Eediot | Towzzer: ntfs |
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| 14:27.35 | Towzzer | where do you want it mounted to |
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| 14:28.15 | Eediot | I want the same behavior that clicking on it and authorizing it with a password generates, so, /media/OS |
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| 14:29.32 | WilDFuzzY | is there any decent gui for iscsi yet? |
| 14:29.40 | Towzzer | mount -t ntfs-3g /dev/sda2 /media/OS |
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| 14:31.11 | Eediot | thanks Towzzer . |
| 14:31.20 | Towzzer | have a nice day sir |
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| 14:56.18 | franco00 | I want to erase everything on an SD, so that no one with whichever tool could recover any data from that disk. Is gparted enough? |
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| 14:57.13 | ompaul | franco00: umount it discover it's device id as root cat /dev/zero > /dev/cardnamegoeshere |
| 14:57.38 | nkuttler | franco00: burn it |
| 14:57.55 | ompaul | franco00: then run it with urandom until it will take no more writes |
| 14:58.18 | ksuhku | with flash media, you're never doing enough |
| 14:59.23 | nkuttler | franco00: but do what ompaul suggested before burning it |
| 14:59.31 | ksuhku | :) |
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| 14:59.49 | franco00 | eheh thanks everyone, will do |
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| 15:01.12 | marsfligth | Please, using ''rsync'' how can I list only modified/copied files into terminal? (not in log file). Thanks |
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| 15:03.18 | nkuttler | marsfligth: log to stdout? |
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| 15:03.35 | kimspindel | is it safe to resize a partition backwards with gparted or will that kill my data sine i am moving the start sector?' |
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| 15:03.51 | kimspindel | or is that just a risk for killing the boot functionality? |
| 15:04.05 | kimspindel | i am using the device as normal ext4 file storage |
| 15:04.16 | kimspindel | so no boot or anything fancy |
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| 15:04.38 | ompaul | it's always a risk |
| 15:04.53 | ompaul | so without a backup the answer is don't do things like that |
| 15:04.58 | babilen | franco00: There are tools to do that. wipe, nwipe and other amond them |
| 15:05.12 | tremon | kimspindel: normally, you can't do that. But if gparted lets you, I assume they have implemented a way to do that |
| 15:05.41 | kimspindel | hmm, okay |
| 15:05.44 | babilen | kimspindel: I've resized many a partition successfully, but you /always/ want a backup. No, you should have a back /already/ |
| 15:05.48 | franco00 | thanks babilen |
| 15:06.00 | kimspindel | looks like I'll have to fetch a HDD from someone |
| 15:06.01 | ctmjr | marsfligth: man rsync is very helpful |
| 15:06.33 | babilen | franco00: Ah, also look at the secure-delete package. Can't remember which I used back in the day :) |
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| 15:06.49 | kimspindel | thanks! |
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| 15:15.27 | Ratio_ | Hello, I am planning on installing Debian on my system, but I am not sure which .iso to download: http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
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| 15:15.44 | Ratio_ | I am burning it on a DVD, so I suppose one of the DVD ones. |
| 15:15.58 | Ratio_ | However, will I need an internet connection during installing from one of these? |
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| 15:16.48 | abrotman | Ratio_: the netinst is generally recommended |
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| 15:17.06 | Ratio_ | I guess I'll have to fetch an ethernet cable from somewhere then. |
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| 15:17.41 | abrotman | why? |
| 15:18.15 | Ratio_ | Because otherwise I have to set up a connection during the installation somehow and I'd rather just go through it smoothly. |
| 15:18.39 | Ratio_ | A wireless connection, I mean. |
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| 15:18.48 | abrotman | does your wireless require WPA+firmware? |
| 15:19.07 | babilen | Ratio_: Didn't we went through this already? :) |
| 15:19.26 | ompaul | abrotman: an Ethernet install is usually a nicer install, I've never bothered to do it wirelessly but then maybe I'm behind the curve and happy as a result, ignorance being bliss and all that |
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| 15:19.51 | abrotman | ompaul: works great over wireless! |
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| 15:20.25 | ompaul | I do like GPT over mbr |
| 15:20.33 | Ratio_ | Never mind |
| 15:20.35 | babilen | ompaul: The only problem with a wireless installation is that you have to edit /etc/network/interfaces afterwards to remove the wireless stanza. This will be fixed in RC1 which now creates network-manager system connections, but unfortunately some DD decided that we can't have that yet. |
| 15:20.37 | Ratio_ | I lost my ethernet cable |
| 15:20.40 | Ratio_ | But just found it again. |
| 15:20.46 | abrotman | that was quick |
| 15:20.53 | babilen | 3 seconds :) |
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| 15:21.03 | Ratio_ | I guess I looked more thorough this time. |
| 15:21.08 | Ratio_ | *searched |
| 15:21.15 | ctmjr | maybe he was sitting on it |
| 15:21.22 | Ratio_ | Ha ha, no. |
| 15:21.25 | ompaul | I suggest that both lines should have been the same line, and it not just a suggest but a suspect |
| 15:21.39 | babilen | Ratio_: If you have a working internet connection just use the netinst image with firmware: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/wheezy_di_beta4/ |
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| 15:22.45 | Ratio_ | How do I know what architecture I am using, as in AMD64 or i386 or something else? |
| 15:23.00 | abrotman | Ratio_: what's your CPU ? |
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| 15:23.15 | Ratio_ | AMD Dual-Core Processor E300 |
| 15:23.47 | abrotman | it's 64bit, amd64 ... if you want to use that |
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| 15:23.58 | Ratio_ | Alright, thanks. |
| 15:24.25 | Ratio_ | Is it just a matter of selecting a network from a list then entering the WEP key or is there more to it? |
| 15:24.47 | Ratio_ | Because I am unfamiliar with DHCP and networking in general. |
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| 15:25.18 | lord_rob | i386 is good too though and sometimes non-free crapware are i386 only |
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| 15:26.13 | babilen | Ratio_: It should be as easy as that. But do yourself a favour and just use Ethernet. Otherwise you would have to edit /etc/network/interfaces and remove the network stanza from it if you plan to use network-manager. (see errata) -- Which Desktop Environment do you plan to use? |
| 15:26.21 | Ratio_ | I am only going to use Debian for programming. I most likely won't need non-free software. |
| 15:26.40 | babilen | lord_rob: You can install i386 just fine on amd64 with multiarch |
| 15:26.43 | Ratio_ | Desktop Environment... I suppose you mean something like Xorg. |
| 15:26.54 | Ratio_ | I was planning on using Xorg with the Fluxbox window manager. |
| 15:26.56 | tremon | Ratio_: iirc the E300 is an apu (integrated graphics in cpu), which requires the non-free firmware for basic 2d as well |
| 15:27.03 | babilen | Ratio_: No, I am referring to something like Gnome, XFCE, LXDE, KDE, ... |
| 15:27.25 | babilen | Ratio_: http://www.gnome.org/ or http://xfce.org/ or ... |
| 15:27.28 | Ratio_ | Oh, like that. |
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| 15:27.55 | lord_rob | I know babilen that's the only thing I've never managed to do with my box yet |
| 15:28.16 | Ratio_ | To be honest, I haven't given that thought yet. |
| 15:28.19 | babilen | lord_rob: Read http://wiki.debian.org/Multiarch/HOWTO to learn how to change that |
| 15:28.43 | Ratio_ | Because I thought Xorg *was* a Desktop Environment, but apparently I am confused. |
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| 15:29.13 | babilen | Ratio_: Ok, Debian installs Gnome by default, but you might like XFCE too. You can always install another one later, but I thought that you might know which one you would like right now. |
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| 15:29.35 | Ratio_ | Alright, will just stick with Gnome for now then. |
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| 15:30.27 | Ratio_ | Right now I want to focus on getting it installed properly without this whole |
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| 15:30.55 | Ratio_ | Sorry. |
| 15:30.59 | Ratio_ | Keyboard was acting up. |
| 15:31.05 | Ratio_ | *without a repeat of the last 'incident'. |
| 15:31.12 | babilen | sure |
| 15:31.23 | Ratio_ | Will just install through ethernet, then. |
| 15:31.28 | babilen | +1 |
| 15:31.38 | Ratio_ | Sorry, not sure what you mean with that. |
| 15:31.50 | Ratio_ | At any rate, I ought to avoid that. |
| 15:31.51 | babilen | I mean I endorse that motion |
| 15:32.01 | Ratio_ | So, I need a new partition to install Debian in. |
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| 15:32.07 | babilen | "+1" == "one more vote in favour" |
| 15:32.13 | abrotman | babilen: this isn't launchpad! |
| 15:32.20 | wsky | Ratio_: he adds +1 to your rating lol |
| 15:32.28 | Ratio_ | Can that be done within the installer or will I have to use GParted beforehand? |
| 15:32.29 | babilen | abrotman: Come on ... +1 is /much/ older! |
| 15:33.11 | babilen | partman /can/ resize can't it? |
| 15:33.23 | Ratio_ | So within the installer. Alright. |
| 15:33.33 | Ratio_ | Will just ask for help once I get there on my other computer. |
| 15:33.49 | babilen | Ratio_: Hang on, I am not sure about that. |
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| 15:34.10 | Ratio_ | Alright. Hanging on. |
| 15:34.47 | Ratio_ | Oh dammit. |
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| 15:35.06 | Ratio_ | Ever since the whole incident I have not been able to get any work done. |
| 15:35.27 | Ratio_ | I just want to install Debian, apt-get the build tools, and get back to work again... |
| 15:35.39 | babilen | Does anybody know is partman supports resizing? I think it does, but I am not sure … |
| 15:35.42 | babilen | ? |
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| 15:36.39 | babilen | Ratio_: fwiw, I would actually recommend to install XFCE, but </babilenshutsup> (see "/msg dpkg install xfce" on how to do that during the install) |
| 15:37.05 | babilen | Ok, lets see ... There must be a partman manual somewhere. |
| 15:37.23 | Ratio_ | Oh wait, Xorg is apparently the default for Debian. Nice. |
| 15:37.56 | babilen | http://www.debian.org/releases/testing/amd64/ch03s05.html.en |
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| 15:38.55 | basic6 | i can't connect to an zfs share (zfs sharenfs on openindiana) from a debian box. it works from other systems (fedora) - any ideas? |
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| 15:39.39 | babilen | Ratio_: Yeah, Xorg is the default (and will be for some time to come) -- But window manager/desktop environments run on top of that and provide the "interface" and, well, manage the windows. Desktop environment also comprise of a bunch of tools such as image viewers, filemanagers, document viewers, ... |
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| 15:41.40 | Ratio_ | Oh yes, this is very clear. |
| 15:41.51 | Ratio_ | I mean, how to install it during installation. |
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| 15:42.54 | tremon | basic6: the debian box has no network connection? |
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| 15:43.34 | basic6 | tremon it does, i can happily ping or ssh from debian to the openindiana host |
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| 15:44.52 | tremon | basic6: have you tried mounting -vv? |
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| 15:45.31 | Ratio_ | babilen: "To losslessly resize an existing FAT or NTFS partition from within debian-installer, go to the partitioning step, select the option for manual partitioning, select the partition to resize, and simply specify its new size. " |
| 15:45.46 | Ratio_ | This means I can resize my Windows partition within the installation, then create a new one for Debian also? |
| 15:46.06 | babilen | yes, exactly (which is why I mentioned that link) |
| 15:46.27 | Ratio_ | Alright, just being cautionary here. |
| 15:47.22 | Ratio_ | Alright. |
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| 15:47.28 | Ratio_ | Going to burn the disk then. |
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| 15:47.51 | tremon | hears someone chanting backups! backups! backups! |
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| 15:48.07 | Ratio_ | Haha. |
| 15:48.13 | Ratio_ | No need, this is a fresh Windows install. |
| 15:48.18 | Ratio_ | Nothing to lose... |
| 15:48.25 | tremon | good :) |
| 15:48.28 | basic6 | tremon not yet, just trying it. got 2 lines of output so far, it set a 2 minute timeout... |
| 15:48.47 | korhojoa | ba-CUPS, ba-CUPS! |
| 15:49.02 | Ratio_ | So, does resizing a partition automatically create a new one? |
| 15:49.10 | abrotman | no |
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| 15:49.13 | tremon | ah, a timeout... now that's useful information. Any firewall in between, or nfs4 with off-server user authentication? |
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| 15:50.08 | Ratio_ | Partman can create new partitions, right? |
| 15:50.40 | basic6 | tremon so it's past the 2 minute timeout but nothing happening |
| 15:50.52 | Ratio_ | I am just going to ask as many stupid questions as possible so I can make absolutely no mistakes. |
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| 15:53.27 | babilen | Ratio_: yes, partman /can/ create partitions. And you want at least one for Debian + some swap. How much RAM do you have and do you want to suspend to disk or just put the computer to sleep? |
| 15:53.45 | Ratio_ | What is 'suspend to disk'? |
| 15:53.51 | Ratio_ | Babilen: |
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| 15:54.37 | abrotman | put the computer to sleep instead of turn off |
| 15:54.39 | tremon | basic6: you're really going to have to provide more information if you expect to get useful responses. what output did you get? what solutions/debug steps did you try? what nfs version, and which authentication method? Have you tried packet traces or server debug? |
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| 15:55.21 | Ratio_ | babilen: 4 GB RAM |
| 15:55.33 | tremon | basic6: we're not here to solve your issue, we can only help you fix it yourself |
| 15:56.07 | Ratio_ | babilen: Not sure what you mean with "suspend to disk or just put the computer to sleep" |
| 15:56.26 | babilen | Ratio_: Yeah, also use a 4GB swap partition on top of what you use for Debian. |
| 15:57.41 | babilen | Ratio_: You can put computers to sleep. There are two ways: One is suspend in which the information in the memory is just kept there which does, however, require a bit of energy. The other is hibernate in which you write the entire content of the memory to disk (to swap hence the size requirements) and it will be restored from there when the computer wakes up. |
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| 15:58.23 | Ratio_ | babilen: I guess hibernate, then. |
| 15:58.38 | Ratio_ | Because I keep it on most of the time any way, and when I let it go to sleep/hibernate it's almost always overnight. |
| 15:58.44 | babilen | yeah, both are fine. Just use a large enough swap partition and you can to both. |
| 15:58.58 | Ratio_ | Alright. |
| 15:59.00 | babilen | Ratio_: It is hard to give advice without knowing what you do with your computer. |
| 15:59.07 | Ratio_ | Yes, I understand... |
| 15:59.08 | babilen | (hence my pesky questions) |
| 15:59.09 | Ratio_ | At any rate |
| 15:59.13 | Ratio_ | What I do is: |
| 15:59.19 | Ratio_ | 1. Resize my Windows partition. |
| 15:59.25 | Ratio_ | 2. Create a 4 GB partiton. |
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| 15:59.37 | Ratio_ | 3. Create a partition with the space that is left for Debian. |
| 15:59.49 | Ratio_ | Is this accurate? How much should I leave for Debian? |
| 15:59.53 | Ratio_ | As a minimum? |
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| 16:00.55 | babilen | Ratio_: How large is your disk and how much do you need for Windows? |
| 16:01.16 | babilen | Ratio_: I'd say you want at least 15GB, but you can do with less if space is an issue. |
| 16:01.22 | Ratio_ | My disk is 500 GB. |
| 16:01.28 | Ratio_ | So 15 GB should be plenty, yes. |
| 16:01.43 | Ratio_ | So, resize Windows partition to be its current size - 19 GB... |
| 16:01.51 | babilen | Give it 20GB as that gives you some wiggle room ... |
| 16:01.54 | Ratio_ | I can always size it up if I need to, right? |
| 16:01.57 | Ratio_ | 20 GB, alright. |
| 16:02.10 | babilen | No, that would require you to resize /both/ the Windows /and/ the Debian partitions. |
| 16:02.28 | Ratio_ | Ah, I see. |
| 16:02.36 | tremon | If you expect to actually /use/ windows (instead of only keeping it for warranty purposes), I'd not let the windows partition be any smaller than 30G |
| 16:02.55 | abrotman | holy enter key batman |
| 16:03.19 | babilen | I mean I would use 500GB for Debian ... I have no use for Windows, but I don't know about you. I also don't know what you will use Debian for and how much space you'll need. I would give it at least 50GB as that allows you to install almost everything you'll ever need + store a bunch of data, but ... *shrug* |
| 16:03.34 | tremon | that's because windows (vista and up) has a nasty habit of keeping all versions of all system dll's on-disk. Yay for updates |
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| 16:03.41 | Ratio_ | I plan to use Windows for games, mostly. |
| 16:04.03 | Ratio_ | I guess I will give Debian 30 GB, that should be plenty for everything I am going to do on it. |
| 16:04.07 | Ratio_ | That is, programming. |
| 16:04.09 | jelly-home | windows keep all the patches versioned and undoable, so size of the OS rises each month |
| 16:04.29 | Ratio_ | That said... |
| 16:04.42 | Ratio_ | Thanks so far, going to reboot now to finish updating my drivers and install some Windows updates. |
| 16:04.57 | Ratio_ | Might come back after that, but most likely will just progress towards the Debian installation. |
| 16:05.12 | Ratio_ | Thanks a lot so far! |
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| 16:05.25 | babilen | np, have fun! |
| 16:06.40 | korhojoa | I can barely keep a windows 7 computer running on a 32 gb ssd. |
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| 16:13.15 | basic6 | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:13.46 | basic6 | tremon ithis mount command almost half an hour ago, it's still stuck with those 2 lines of output |
| 16:14.37 | basic6 | tremon if you have any idea what i could try (to get more information), i'll try it |
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| 16:14.47 | Judith | Good afternooon. |
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| 16:15.58 | basic6 | also i can't find any "nfs" message in /var/log/syslog on the openindiana server (where the nfs server i'm trying to connect to is) |
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| 16:20.24 | tremon | basic6: well you could start with answering the questions I posted earlier: check any firewalls, nfs versions, authentication methods. then check for any configuration differences between your fedora machine and debian |
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| 16:21.57 | tremon | then try rpcinfo -p and rpcinfo -p $nfsserver (or fedora's equivalent) of both the debian and fedora box |
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| 16:23.40 | tremon | s/of/on/ |
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| 16:25.38 | tharkun | Good $(date +%p) Where do I download the checksums for the latest netinst image? |
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| 16:28.07 | korhojoa | tharkun: are they not in the directory where you downloaded it from |
| 16:28.18 | tharkun | nope |
| 16:28.37 | korhojoa | ftp://ftp.funet.fi/pub/linux/mirrors/debian-cdimage/current/i386/iso-cd/MD5SUMS ? |
| 16:28.37 | tharkun | http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/ |
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| 16:30.07 | korhojoa | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.6/i386/iso-cd/ |
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| 16:30.29 | tremon | tharkun: they are in the same directory as the downloads themselves, so right-click the link you just downloaded, copy shortcut and remove the filename from the uri |
| 16:30.59 | tremon | (or follow korhojoa's link) |
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| 16:31.45 | tharkun | tremon: thanks |
| 16:32.06 | tharkun | korhojoa: also thanks eventhough I'm donwloading a different architecture ;P |
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| 16:41.38 | r00t-err0r | hello :D i fail to load flashplugin in sqeeze debian, up default i got gnash installed, and i install nonfree-flashplugin now i see this plugin in my chromium but when i try to load some flash app i got missing plugin |
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| 16:43.35 | basic6 | tremon http://paste.debian.net/232928/ that's the rpcinfo output, i'll check the firewall on the openindiana (debian is open) |
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| 16:45.13 | tremon | basic6: is this debian squeeze or wheezy? your portmapper is only advertising v2, which is odd |
| 16:45.14 | r00t-err0r | hello :D i fail to load flashplugin in sqeeze debian, up default i got gnash installed, and i install nonfree-flashplugin now i see this plugin in my chromium but when i try to load some flash app i got missing plugin - any1 to help? |
| 16:46.35 | tremon | basic6: also, why are you talking to 192.168.1.10 from the fedora box but 192.168.1.11 from debian? |
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| 16:50.49 | basic6 | tremon 1. it's debian squeeze 2. i've changed the ip address in the output (don't ask me why) i'm talking to the same ip on both debian and fedora. |
| 16:51.04 | basic6 | could it be a problem that debian squeeze is too old? |
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| 16:52.19 | abrotman | basic6: wouldn't it say that instead of trying for 30 minutes? |
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| 16:56.18 | Stygian | im trying to find the that's a clone of dd that can be used to zero/wipe hdds anyone know it? |
| 16:56.22 | tremon | basic6: it shouldn't be too old, but portmapper only advertising v2 might be an issue. That shouldn't be related to squeeze's age though |
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| 16:56.46 | tharkun | Stygian: man shred |
| 16:56.53 | Stygian | not shred |
| 16:56.56 | Stygian | it's ddsomething |
| 16:57.01 | tremon | basic6: squeeze has two packages providing the portmapper, portmap and rpcbind. If one doesn't work, try the other |
| 16:57.21 | Stygian | and it works just like dd same commands just faster |
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| 16:59.41 | tremon | basic6: also, being explicit about the nfs version might help. You still haven't told us which nfs version you want to use |
| 17:00.13 | Stygian | also noticed the topic says wheezy frozen are tney not working on it anymore or what? |
| 17:00.39 | tremon | !tell Stygian about frozen |
| 17:01.15 | tremon | someone should alter the factoid to explain that /wheezy/ is now frozen, and that it's no longer 2010 |
| 17:01.25 | Stygian | aahh ok thanks |
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| 17:04.05 | Stygian | so no one has heard of a command that's basically of a clone of dd? |
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| 17:05.20 | mmnicolas | Stygian: the two alternatives I know are not meant to be faster, but more fault-tolerant |
| 17:05.30 | mmnicolas | ddrescue and gddrescue |
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| 17:05.44 | Stygian | hhmm |
| 17:06.00 | mmnicolas | it can't really be more fast anyway |
| 17:06.03 | Stygian | yeah this zeroed out a 2tb drive in 2.5 hours |
| 17:06.07 | mmnicolas | it's already very low-level |
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| 17:06.24 | abrotman | Stygian: dban? wipe? |
| 17:06.29 | Stygian | no |
| 17:06.35 | tremon | Stygian: dd gets "faster" if you use a larger blocksize, not by rewriting the tool |
| 17:06.44 | mmnicolas | so with parted, most drives have a builtin secure erase feature |
| 17:06.48 | mmnicolas | *see with parted |
| 17:07.11 | Stygian | the package was created by some investigation lab |
| 17:07.25 | abrotman | sounds like dban to me |
| 17:07.28 | tremon | Stygian: sleuthkit? |
| 17:07.34 | abrotman | Stygian: maybe ask ##linux |
| 17:07.45 | Stygian | yeah I will try that |
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| 17:07.51 | basic6 | tremon i assumed nfsv4 would work (which is what i want to use). i have portmap 6 installed on the debian box. should i install rpcbind and see what happens? do i need to uninstall portmap afterwards? |
| 17:07.51 | mmnicolas | use your drive's on-chip tool |
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| 17:08.06 | mmnicolas | if something is faster it's that |
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| 17:08.32 | tremon | basic6: the packages conflict, installing one will automatically remove the other. Have you checked that redhat is also using nfs4? |
| 17:08.34 | basic6 | and on the fedora client i don't have portmap installed, but instead: rpcbind-0.2.0-20.fc18.x86_64 |
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| 17:09.35 | basic6 | on the fedora client i can mount using "-o nfsvers=4" and it works |
| 17:09.56 | tremon | ok, so that means we have ruled out one possible cause |
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| 17:24.51 | DummyMode | hi guys! |
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| 17:25.31 | wakd | Newbie trying to use it seems to me that http://www.debian.org/distrib/packages is only for "main" packages? Is there any similar way to search a database of "contrib" or "nonfree" packages? |
| 17:25.38 | DummyMode | do you know if after wheey beta4 will be release another beta of will come the stable verision? |
| 17:26.35 | tremon | wakd: scroll down the page, select section: contrib? |
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| 17:27.21 | abrotman | DummyMode: RC1, but you do realize it's just a beta of the installer, right ? |
| 17:27.54 | wakd | tremon: aahh section = "blah" gotit thx :) |
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| 17:30.06 | DummyMode | abrotman , it says DI-b4 , the iso name.. not for the |
| 17:30.26 | DummyMode | fot the installation,do not even realize it's a beta |
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| 17:31.12 | DummyMode | so, there will be some RC's after the beta's right? |
| 17:31.16 | abrotman | DummyMode: the installer is a beta .. not the OS |
| 17:31.21 | abrotman | gives up |
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| 17:33.18 | DummyMode | ok.. |
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| 17:34.05 | DummyMode | the installer is beta, I'm just wating for weezy to go on stable, that's what I wanted to know.. |
| 17:34.11 | DummyMode | thank you |
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| 17:35.56 | Stygian | tremo here's what I was looking for |
| 17:35.57 | Stygian | http://www.forensicswiki.org/wiki/Dcfldd |
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| 17:36.21 | tremo | :-/ |
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| 17:37.02 | just1primate | greetings folks |
| 17:37.21 | DummyMode | greets |
| 17:37.39 | AlexLikeRock | buenas :-) |
| 17:37.50 | tremon | Stygian: how is that "a faster version of dd"? it does write verification, hashing and logging? |
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| 17:38.11 | DummyMode | buenas :) |
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| 17:38.32 | Stygian | tremon I dunno how it does it faster but it does |
| 17:38.40 | Stygian | 2.5 hours vs 6days |
| 17:39.12 | tremon | Stygian: with which blocksizes? |
| 17:39.31 | Stygian | same |
| 17:39.37 | Stygian | used a 1mb I think |
| 17:39.43 | tremon | ok, impressive |
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| 17:42.08 | Stygian | tremon http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=9467961&postcount=3 |
| 17:42.20 | Stygian | they even mention how it's twice as fast dunno why |
| 17:42.22 | Anuska | hi, anyone see ... a error in kernel? http://pastebin.com/rXMu66BG becouse i run this linux as router and the computer blocked and i need to shutdown the linux and power on from bottom.. to work again. thanks |
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| 17:43.55 | irule | I found this, it looks good, but the readme does not have any explanation on how to use it, and I got cvonfused with $1, how may times should I call this script to use it propperly? thanks! https://gist.github.com/bradoaks/940616 |
| 17:44.49 | DummyMode | do not get it . which is the particular error that makes you reboot the machine? |
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| 17:48.52 | zerick | Hi guys, i have some troubles installing a package |
| 17:49.03 | zerick | here is the output http://paste.debian.net/232940/ |
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| 17:49.23 | just1primate | I have a question about networking. I am connected to my Windows 7 laptop via an ethernet cable. I have a wifi connection enabled and shared using ICS on that machine. The debian install configures the network with DHCP just fine. However, when I try to connect to the internet after the install, i cant get connected. I can ping yahoo.com, and I see the ip, (so dns appears to be working) but I can neither send or receive to get |
| 17:49.23 | just1primate | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:50.14 | zerick | just1primate: the output of iptables? |
| 17:50.39 | zerick | just1primate: you could telnet to an http page |
| 17:50.52 | just1primate | unfortunately I am chatting from my Fedora box, and in order to get that I would actually have to reinstall |
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| 17:51.11 | just1primate | I have tried everything short of just shutting off the firewall |
| 17:51.25 | just1primate | Why would a firewall block an internet connection |
| 17:51.47 | just1primate | especially if it appears to be allowing DNS |
| 17:51.54 | tremon | what else is a firewall for? |
| 17:52.14 | just1primate | What I meant was, why would it block the nic that was discovered during install... |
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| 17:52.48 | johnfg | Is there a way to add a device for xsane, since it doesn't seem able to find the one that's there? |
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| 17:53.22 | netsan | Hey all, is there any other mirror for the testing ISOs? |
| 17:53.24 | Anuska | DummyMode :( |
| 17:53.38 | johnfg | Also: I just installed hplip-gui. Is it available from the desktop? If so where, or do I call it from the cli? |
| 17:53.45 | tremon | there is no firewall in the debian installer... I meant further upstream |
| 17:54.15 | just1primate | If I drop to a terminal in the install after DHCP I have the same issue. AND It wont allow me to connect to mirrors |
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| 17:54.32 | tremon | !tell netsan about mirrors |
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| 17:55.47 | DummyMode | Anuska, what's the error thas makes you reboot the machine? |
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| 17:57.00 | Anuska | no reboot! |
| 17:57.05 | Anuska | i reboot the machine to work |
| 17:57.36 | tremon | just1primate: you just said that from the installer, you can ping www.yahoo.com fine. So something is blocking just port 80 (http) |
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| 17:59.31 | tuxhat | hey i know this is a stupid question but in pcmanfm how to i remove the Application in the places area i dont need it tehre |
| 17:59.51 | tuxhat | i dont see any opition to get rid of it :( |
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| 18:05.35 | Psychonaut | I have a strange problem: When downloading a file in a browser in xserver, which cuts down the whole internet on all clients in the network which result in SSH connection lost, etc ... |
| 18:05.37 | Psychonaut | its wheezy |
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| 18:06.36 | DummyMode | that's really weird.. |
| 18:07.21 | DummyMode | which client do you use to download the file for example? a web browser? wget¿ ftp¿ |
| 18:07.29 | Psychonaut | yea its seems only to happen in kde |
| 18:07.40 | Psychonaut | so wget lynx and aptitude works |
| 18:07.54 | Psychonaut | i tried opera, konquoror, iceweasel |
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| 18:10.04 | basic6 | tremon i've installed rpcbind on the debian box (which appears to advertise nfsv4 now), but that doesn't change anything when trying to mount nfs from that openindiana server (nfsv3 looks a little different): http://paste.debian.net/232955/ |
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| 18:10.57 | abrotman | Psychonaut: does it actually download in the browser while the rest dies? |
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| 18:11.51 | Psychonaut | it finishes |
| 18:11.53 | Psychonaut | it |
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| 18:15.07 | Psychonaut | and the internet comes back when it has finished the file |
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| 18:18.41 | Psychonaut | same for kget |
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| 18:23.39 | philluminati | Mutt gives me an error when I try to download mail over pop (newly configured mutt, so it's never worked). Anyway I get the error /var/mail/phill permission denied |
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| 18:24.03 | philluminati | Should I tamper with the file permissions or something? What's the deal on getting what's expected? |
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| 18:24.34 | babilen | philluminati: Is your user a member of the group "mail" ? |
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| 18:25.12 | philluminati | no |
| 18:25.17 | philluminati | shall I add it? |
| 18:25.27 | babilen | *nod* |
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| 18:28.37 | tharkun | I'm virtualizing squeeze should I keep NetworkManager or is it just wasting time and space? |
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| 18:30.20 | philluminati | That didn't seem to work |
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| 18:32.27 | babilen | philluminati: Did you relogin? |
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| 18:33.44 | philluminati | oh do I need to? |
| 18:34.03 | babilen | philluminati: Well, you are not an "active" member of the group otherwise. |
| 18:34.16 | babilen | (cf. "id" or "groups") |
| 18:34.26 | philluminati | ok thanks babilen |
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| 18:36.13 | oleg | good day |
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| 18:36.55 | BeWilled | need help setting up sound cat /proc/asound/cards gives the following output 0 [Intel ]: HDA-Intel - HDA Intel HDA Intel at 0xf0c00000 irq 22 |
| 18:36.58 | oleg | may anybody help with noob question |
| 18:37.00 | oleg | Feb 9 22:30:26 mainserver nm-openvpn[6985]: OpenVPN 2.2.1 x86_64-linux-gnu [SSL] [LZO2] [EPOLL] [PKCS11] [eurephia] [MH] [PF_INET6] [IPv6 payload 20110424-2 ($ |
| 18:37.01 | oleg | Feb 9 22:30:26 mainserver nm-openvpn[6985]: MANAGEMENT: Socket bind failed on local address [AF_INET]127.0.0.1:1194: Cannot assign requested address |
| 18:37.01 | oleg | Feb 9 22:30:26 mainserver nm-openvpn[6985]: Exiting |
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| 18:37.33 | oleg | openvpn: MANAGEMENT: Socket bind failed on local address [AF_INET]127.0.0.1:1194: Cannot assign requested address |
| 18:37.45 | oleg | does anybody know how fix it? |
| 18:37.53 | BeWilled | clicking on the volume control pops out a No volume control GSreamer plugin error |
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| 18:38.18 | oleg | BeWilled, did you add intel-hda param? |
| 18:38.28 | babilen | BeWilled: Which version of Debian? Do you use pulseaudio? |
| 18:38.37 | babilen | dpkg: tell BeWilled -about alsa checklist |
| 18:38.45 | tremon | oleg: kill the already running daemon first? |
| 18:38.49 | babilen | BeWilled: Also play with mixer levels in pavucontrol if you use pulseaudio |
| 18:39.59 | BeWilled | oleg: no |
| 18:40.01 | tremon | oleg: alternatively, make sure lo is actually UP? |
| 18:40.14 | gitsu-sa | why can i run fdisk with users on Debian Wheezy? |
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| 18:40.24 | oleg | tremon, I personally think it even doesn't want to start |
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| 18:40.33 | BeWilled | oleg: where do I add it_ |
| 18:40.34 | oleg | I try to use openvpn plugin in gnome network manager |
| 18:40.51 | oleg | BeWilled, let me check, sec |
| 18:41.02 | tremon | oleg: well netstat -ln will tell you is something is already listening on that port, netstat -p will tell you which program |
| 18:41.50 | oleg | /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base.conf |
| 18:41.59 | oleg | options snd-hda-intel model=auto |
| 18:42.11 | babilen | gitsu-sa: Why shouldn't you be able to? |
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| 18:42.22 | gitsu-sa | babilen: on Squeeze you can't |
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| 18:42.37 | gitsu-sa | babilen: maybe couse you don't have permission to read memory devices? |
| 18:43.04 | gitsu-sa | bolt: where fdisk read the partition table with a normal user? |
| 18:43.16 | tremon | gitsu-sa: because you can partition disk images too, and disk images can be owned by any user |
| 18:43.40 | bolt | foo. |
| 18:43.41 | gitsu-sa | tremon: that's right; but i think that i'm not the owner of my root |
| 18:43.49 | gitsu-sa | tremon: i don't have permissions on /dev/sda |
| 18:43.54 | k-t | For a handfull of stable/testing/unstable boxes which one is recommended: apt-cacher-ng or approx? working with apt-listbugs is mandatory. |
| 18:44.10 | gitsu-sa | tremon: why on Squeeze it doesn't work and in Wheezy yeah? |
| 18:44.11 | babilen | gitsu-sa: I can happily run "/sbin/fdisk --help" on squeeze (as I can on wheezy) -- I have /sbin in my user's PATH though. I can't, for example, run "fdisk -l /dev/sda" on wheezy or squeeze though. |
| 18:44.21 | oleg | tremon, I tried that, but it seems like 1194 is unused :/ |
| 18:44.27 | tremon | gitsu-sa: so, what output do you get if you run fdisk -l /dev/sda as your user? |
| 18:44.32 | gitsu-sa | babilen: you can run fdisk, but you can't print the table of all the devices |
| 18:44.39 | gitsu-sa | tremon: no output |
| 18:44.41 | babilen | gitsu-sa: What does "ls -l /sbin/fdisk" give you? |
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| 18:44.47 | babilen | gitsu-sa: Yeah, exactly |
| 18:44.57 | gitsu-sa | babilen: on Wheezy i get output |
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| 18:45.05 | tremon | gitsu-sa: so, you mean you actually can't read partition tables as a normal user in wheezy? |
| 18:45.07 | nexus` | can someone help me set up an external ip in a VM |
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| 18:45.09 | nexus` | ive tried: iptables -t nat -I PREROUTING -i ${eth0} -p tcp --dport ${203} -j DNAT --to-dest 192.168.xx.xx:22 |
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| 18:45.12 | nexus` | but i get bad argument 'tcp' |
| 18:45.20 | gitsu-sa | tremon: i can in Wheezy; i can't in Squeeze |
| 18:45.24 | tremon | oleg: ok, so how about my second guess? |
| 18:45.32 | tremon | gitsu-sa: you just said it gave no output? |
| 18:45.39 | gitsu-sa | githogori: on Squeeze |
| 18:45.41 | gitsu-sa | ops |
| 18:45.44 | gitsu-sa | tremon: on Squeeze |
| 18:45.49 | babilen | gitsu-sa: Please provide more information (such as the output you refer to and that of "ls -l /sbin/fdisk" |
| 18:45.52 | babilen | ) |
| 18:46.20 | babilen | (use http://paste.debian.net if necessary) |
| 18:46.20 | gitsu-sa | what the point man? |
| 18:46.24 | gitsu-sa | i'm asking you why on Wheezy you can't use fdisk on everything |
| 18:46.27 | babilen | helping you, "bro" |
| 18:46.29 | gitsu-sa | it's not my bonus, you can too |
| 18:46.37 | gitsu-sa | but you can't on Squeeze |
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| 18:46.45 | gitsu-sa | i want to figure out what did they changed on fdisk |
| 18:46.48 | BeWilled | oleg: yes! |
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| 18:47.03 | tremon | gitsu-sa: why did you in this channel, if not to find a solution or answer to your question? |
| 18:47.20 | babilen | BeWilled: Any results from the alsa checklist? |
| 18:47.23 | gitsu-sa | tremon: i don't have special permission on fdisk |
| 18:47.25 | tremon | needs an "ask" somewhere in that question |
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| 18:47.42 | gitsu-sa | -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 90956 Jan 25 2011 /sbin/fdisk |
| 18:47.47 | oleg | tremon, netstat -p doesn't shop any apps those are using 1194. openvpn is not running |
| 18:47.53 | BeWilled | babilen: adding option worked |
| 18:47.59 | babilen | BeWilled: ack |
| 18:48.41 | tremon | gitsu-sa: paste the output of groups;ls -l /dev/sd* |
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| 18:50.49 | gitsu-sa | tremon: are you on Debian? |
| 18:51.05 | tremon | yes I am on #debian |
| 18:51.15 | gitsu-sa | running what OS? |
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| 18:51.40 | tremon | debian wheezy on my desktop |
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| 18:51.52 | gitsu-sa | tremon: you get output of all disk with fdisk by your user? |
| 18:51.58 | tremon | no |
| 18:52.02 | gitsu-sa | nice |
| 18:52.08 | gitsu-sa | so is my Wheezy weird |
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| 18:52.27 | tremon | gitsu-sa: we can't tell unless you give us more information |
| 18:52.33 | oleg | hm, weird. openvpn doesn't start somehow |
| 18:52.42 | BeWilled | babilen: almost finished with my home pc debian install. just need to remove gnash and Im ready to go |
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| 18:54.37 | gitsu-sa | tremon: so it's right to say, that if you don't own the device, you can't read with fdisk and your user? |
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| 18:54.59 | gitsu-sa | tremon: example: device is owned by root, and his permissions are 600 |
| 18:55.23 | tremon | gitsu-sa: no that's not correct; read up on unix filesystem permissions or give us the information we asked for |
| 18:55.53 | gitsu-sa | you said that you dno't get output too |
| 18:55.57 | gitsu-sa | didn't |
| 18:56.11 | gitsu-sa | so explain me why you don't get output with your user |
| 18:56.19 | babilen | wouls actually like to see a pastebin with the requested output |
| 18:56.39 | gitsu-sa | we are talking about Wheezy and Squeeze, not my install |
| 18:57.00 | tremon | gitsu-sa: basically, I get no output because my Wheezy machine is configured correctly |
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| 18:58.51 | RLa | is there a channel for debian sys admins? |
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| 18:59.32 | tremon | what's the difference to you between a sysadmin and a user? |
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| 19:00.01 | gitsu-sa | users are like me XD |
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| 19:00.25 | florin | hi |
| 19:00.28 | RLa | sysadmin maintains machine(s) while user does not? :) |
| 19:00.45 | Guest29469 | i installed debian 30 minutes ago |
| 19:00.52 | Psychonaut | Are there any known bugs in testing according to bandwidth sharing ? |
| 19:01.00 | Guest29469 | and it runs very quickly |
| 19:01.04 | Guest29469 | i have a problem |
| 19:01.13 | tremon | In that case, I'll dare to say that everyone in this channel is interested in maintaining (at least) their own machine |
| 19:01.13 | Guest29469 | i use chromium for browsing |
| 19:01.17 | RLa | as an user i do not think about securing apache every day but as sysadmin i do |
| 19:01.35 | Guest29469 | when i acces this: http://forum.softpedia.com/ the website is blocking |
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| 19:01.57 | Guest29469 | the website use flash player for authentification |
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| 19:02.19 | tremon | silently weeps |
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| 19:02.24 | mmnicolas | how awful |
| 19:02.29 | Guest29469 | what I can do? |
| 19:02.36 | mmnicolas | install flash |
| 19:02.58 | Guest29469 | flash in installed |
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| 19:03.06 | Guest29469 | is* |
| 19:03.19 | Guest29469 | youtube works |
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| 19:03.28 | wdouglass | hey all...i'm running wheezy and trying to install the fglrx driver...is there some trick to it? |
| 19:03.38 | mmnicolas | Guest29469: that doesnt mean flash is installed |
| 19:03.40 | Ristovski | wdouglass: what GFX card? |
| 19:03.52 | Guest29469 | when i acces that website and click "autentificare" , the website is blocking |
| 19:03.56 | mmnicolas | Guest29469: works here with both chromium and iceweasel |
| 19:03.58 | babilen | dpkg: tell wdouglass -about fglrx dkms |
| 19:04.00 | wdouglass | it's a Radeon HD 7550 (built into an A10 apu) |
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| 19:04.09 | babilen | dpkg: tell wdouglass -about radeon |
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| 19:04.29 | babilen | wdouglass: (just if you want to try the free radeon driver with 3d accel) |
| 19:04.47 | oleg | sorry me, my user permissions were not able to launch openvpn :) |
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| 19:04.55 | Guest29469 | i tested iceweasel: same problem |
| 19:04.56 | oleg | needed to launch openvpn as root haha |
| 19:04.58 | tremon | babilen: I don't think wheezy can do 3d on the hd7000 series, amd hasn't exactly been keeping up |
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| 19:05.07 | Guest29469 | in software center say i have installed flash |
| 19:05.13 | Guest29469 | many flash packages |
| 19:05.28 | babilen | Guest29469: You might block pop-ups -- btw softpedia is a horrible website and you shouldn't support it. |
| 19:05.39 | babilen | Guest29469: Which version of Debian did you install |
| 19:05.45 | Guest29469 | 6 |
| 19:06.03 | mmnicolas | Guest29469: that may be the problem, try doing things properly but only once, aptitude install flashplugin-nonfree |
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| 19:06.26 | wdouglass | on the amd webpage, they're up to version 13.1 (which should support the latest x-org) |
| 19:06.31 | wdouglass | there's no debian package for it |
| 19:06.44 | babilen | Guest29469: Ah, I would have recommended to install wheezy (currently frozen testing) right now. You can, however, also upgrade to it by following http://www.debian.org/releases/wheezy/amd64/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html -- You don't have to do that now, but it is quite usable and expected to be released soon. |
| 19:07.01 | john|sw | babilen: why is softpedia horrible? |
| 19:07.20 | ksuhku | it's dirty |
| 19:07.20 | john|sw | having romanian friends, i guess i feel an attachment to anything that comes from romania and 'makes it big' |
| 19:07.24 | mmnicolas | john|sw: they distribute random software for everyone to install.. |
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| 19:08.00 | Guest29469 | "0 newly installed" |
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| 19:08.41 | john|sw | mmnicolas: hum? i thought they were more of a 'cnet' or 'download.com' alternative, mirroring software packages for devs who perhaps don't have a good enough connection to host their packages themselves |
| 19:08.43 | babilen | john|sw: Many reasons, but they scrape random websites (github, sourceforge, ...) and pretend that it is their content -- ads, stuff, whatever ... |
| 19:08.48 | mmnicolas | Guest29469: first undo whatever you have done |
| 19:08.55 | john|sw | aha |
| 19:08.57 | john|sw | i didn't know that |
| 19:09.24 | mmnicolas | john|sw: that's already bad on it's own |
| 19:09.28 | gitsu-sa | tremon: is the same thing with blkid? :) |
| 19:09.36 | Guest29469 | flash player is installed :( |
| 19:09.41 | babilen | john|sw: I first stumbled over them when I searched for some of my software and was wondering how it ended up there (from github) -- We should continue this in #debian-offtopic though (not much more to add) |
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| 19:10.11 | Guest29469 | the website works, authentification not work |
| 19:10.19 | Guest29469 | semi-black screen |
| 19:10.21 | rubej | hey people of Debian |
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| 19:10.41 | ksuhku | aloha |
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| 19:10.41 | rubej | I think I have problem |
| 19:10.43 | wdouglass | ok i got it working |
| 19:10.49 | babilen | Guest29469: As I said: you might block pop-ups or you might need a newer version. I would recommend to upgrade to wheezy and take it from there. (Or install wheezy using http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/wheezy_di_beta4/) -- It might very well be the pop-up blocker though, so check your settings |
| 19:11.02 | mmnicolas | Guest29469: maybe, which one of them ? I'm pretty sure if you type about:config in your browser you will see more than one Flash player plugin |
| 19:11.13 | wdouglass | i just needed to install the driver from the ati website. it's gonna be painful when i upgrade kernels, but i just wish debian would update their packages so dkms would be working... |
| 19:11.28 | wdouglass | maybe i can add my own dkms hook... |
| 19:11.38 | babilen | Why can't you use the fglrx-driver package? |
| 19:12.04 | babilen | (as detailed in "/msg dpkg fglrx dkms") |
| 19:12.57 | wdouglass | i tried, it complained about uninstallable glx-alternatives-fglrx |
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| 19:13.09 | wdouglass | which doesn't actually exist in any repository i could find |
| 19:13.21 | rubej | I am a Gentoo user and I don't really know how it works in Debian. So this is some Debian of my friend, and he tries to install some game for i386 while his Debian is 64bit. So it seems he had no 32bit library. What I have done is I have tried to install ia32-libs and it failed cause ia32-libs-386 was not installable. Then I have read in the manual that it is necessary to do dpkg --add-architecture i386 in order to have multiarch - possibility to run both x86 and |
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| 19:13.38 | tremon | gitsu-sa: no, blkid works here too. But blkid may simply be reading /sys for that |
| 19:13.42 | babilen | wdouglass: Why didn't you try to fix that? Which version did you try to install? Which version of Debian are you running? See "/msg dpkg bat" for other hints on information that might help to debug this. |
| 19:13.49 | Guest29469 | i installed debian from here: http://goodbye-microsoft.com/ |
| 19:13.51 | rubej | after this apt-get install ia32-libs-gtk went fine and now it removes my 64bit packages |
| 19:14.06 | rubej | I have stopeed install but I am afraid system won't boot again |
| 19:14.11 | babilen | wdouglass: fwiw, 13.1 is in experimental, but the version in sid and wheezy is probably just fine |
| 19:14.23 | rubej | how do I remove i386 support and get back my amd64 packages? |
| 19:14.36 | rubej | dpkg --delete-architecturei386 does not work |
| 19:14.38 | dpkg | i don't know, rubej |
| 19:14.40 | wdouglass | i've actually been at this for like two hours...i'm running wheezy, i just installed squeeze and updated to wheezy today. how do i install just one package from sid? |
| 19:14.48 | babilen | wdouglass: And you are correct, glx-alternatives-fglrx does, in fact, not exist. |
| 19:15.00 | wdouglass | but libfglrx depends on it! there's my problem |
| 19:15.17 | tremon | rubej: I'm assuming this is on wheezy, because --add-architecture shouldn't work in squeeze |
| 19:15.24 | rubej | yes, wheezt |
| 19:15.26 | rubej | wheezy |
| 19:15.35 | babilen | wdouglass: Well, show me the output of your installation along with that of apt-cache policy PKG as mentioned in the bat factoid. Include your sources.list and "aptitude search ~o" too please. |
| 19:15.46 | wdouglass | ok sure |
| 19:15.59 | tremon | rubej: the correct syntax is apt-get install libc6:i386 (after running apt-get update) |
| 19:16.11 | babilen | ,depends libfglrx --release wheezy |
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| 19:16.12 | judd | Package libfglrx in wheezy/i386 -- depends: libc6 (>= 2.3.6-6~), libgcc1 (>= 1:4.1.1), libstdc++6 (>= 4.1.1), libx11-6, libxext6,debconf (>= 0.5) | debconf-2.0, pciutils, multiarch-support. |
| 19:16.23 | babilen | wdouglass: I don't see it anywhere ^^^ |
| 19:16.27 | rubej | okay... so how do I get am64 system back? |
| 19:16.35 | rubej | it uninstalled some 64bit packages |
| 19:16.36 | tremon | rubej: and man dpkg would have told you that the reverse is dpkg --remove-architecture :) |
| 19:16.36 | babilen | wdouglass: btw, wheezy is supported in #debian-next on irc.oftc.net |
| 19:16.52 | wdouglass | ahh ok...this is an amd64 system btw |
| 19:16.54 | rubej | yes, but manual at debian.org told me also to install ia32-libs |
| 19:17.05 | babilen | ,depends libfglrx --release wheezy --arch amd64 |
| 19:17.06 | judd | Package libfglrx in wheezy/amd64 -- depends: libc6 (>= 2.3.2), libgcc1 (>= 1:4.1.1), libstdc++6 (>= 4.1.1), libx11-6, libxext6,debconf (>= 0.5) | debconf-2.0, pciutils, multiarch-support. |
| 19:17.11 | tremon | that's because the manual is for squeeze (the current release) |
| 19:17.13 | wdouglass | http://pastebin.com/tXu0msLs |
| 19:17.13 | babilen | wdouglass: same thing |
| 19:17.23 | wdouglass | there's my sources.list |
| 19:17.24 | rubej | yes I have trei it, it says it cannot remove architecture cause i386 is currently in database |
| 19:17.37 | tremon | rubej: you can check in /var/log/dpkg which packages got removed. You'll need to restore them manually (or script it) |
| 19:17.45 | babilen | wdouglass: And please use paste.debian.org (which doesn't mange input, doesn't have ads and social website integration and whatnot :) |
| 19:17.57 | rubej | let me try |
| 19:17.59 | wdouglass | oh ok sorry |
| 19:18.05 | AlexLikeRock | any one now a one Video converter to mp 3 ? |
| 19:18.12 | babilen | wdouglass: Could you still all that in one paste? (makes it easier as I don't have that many tabs to juggle) -- Thanks! :) |
| 19:18.20 | Guest29469 | wich version of debian is recommeded to install? |
| 19:18.23 | wdouglass | sure...one sec |
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| 19:18.29 | babilen | wdouglass: It's okay. I should have noted it earlier |
| 19:18.31 | mmnicolas | AlexLikeRock: mp3 is an audio format |
| 19:18.44 | tremon | rubej: there is actually no harm in letting the architecture i386 remain, apt will never pull in i386 packages unless requested |
| 19:19.13 | AlexLikeRock | yes i need converter video to audio |
| 19:19.20 | babilen | wdouglass: Oh, and please prefix your replies with my nickname. That makes it easier to see them as they are highlighted by my client. "bab<TAB>" should autocomplete |
| 19:19.23 | AlexLikeRock | nd video to video |
| 19:19.34 | wdouglass | babilen: http://paste.debian.net/232969/ |
| 19:19.39 | wdouglass | babilen: sure |
| 19:19.47 | mmnicolas | AlexLikeRock: ffmpeg |
| 19:19.52 | rubej | tremon: okay I did apt-get -f install and it configures all those packages |
| 19:19.56 | babilen | wdouglass: Ok, you are missing "contrib" in your sources.list |
| 19:20.13 | rubej | I hope it won't remove anything essential |
| 19:20.17 | wdouglass | babilen: alright...hold on i'll add it |
| 19:20.19 | tremon | mmnicolas, AlexLikeRock: ffmpeg is called avconv nowadays |
| 19:20.56 | babilen | wdouglass: Oh, and are you trying to run wheezy or sid? Could you include the output of "apt-cache policy fglrx-driver" ? |
| 19:20.57 | tremon | AlexLikeRock: for a gui tool, you may try transmageddon |
| 19:21.02 | AlexLikeRock | ok, mmnicolas i will try again with ffmeg ----> avconv |
| 19:21.04 | Guest29469 | i blocked the pop-ups, nothing changed. when the site is blocking, the borwser get me a lock and says: "enter a web adress to open, or a phrase to search for" |
| 19:21.07 | Guest29469 | idea's? |
| 19:21.14 | AlexLikeRock | ok, trnsmagedon too |
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| 19:21.47 | wdouglass | babilen: trying to run wheezy. commented out sid and added contrib. now fglrx-driver installs! thanks for the help, contrib is what i was missing! |
| 19:22.09 | wdouglass | apt-cache policy fglrx-driver |
| 19:22.13 | tremon | rubej: you normally should check apt's todo-list before typing 'Y' ;) |
| 19:22.16 | wdouglass | babilen: haha wrong window |
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| 19:23.03 | wdouglass | babilen: everything seems to be working now! Thanks so much! |
| 19:23.12 | babilen | wdouglass: wonderful -- fwiw, if you want to run stuff from sid you can either backport it by following "/msg dpkg ssb". I would recommend to do that at this point in the release cycle. You can however also set the default release to "wheezy" (/msg dpkg default release) and add sid sources. That way you can instlal from sid by running "apt-get -t sid install ..." |
| 19:23.29 | babilen | wdouglass: You are most welcome. Let us know if you need further help or so :) |
| 19:23.31 | Guest29469 | :( |
| 19:23.31 | Guest29469 | i blocked pop-ups, nothing changed |
| 19:23.48 | wdouglass | babilen: thanks again. i really like this room, people are much nicer then in ##linux |
| 19:24.35 | Guest29469 | what i can do? |
| 19:24.36 | babilen | Guest29469: I meant that you might have to unblock pop-ups. It might well be that you need a newer browser. As I said: You can either upgrade to wheezy as detailed earlier, but try it with Iceweasel from http://mozilla.debian.net if you want to stay on squeeze. |
| 19:25.04 | tremon | I thought he was using chromium? or did I misremember? |
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| 19:25.20 | babilen | wdouglass: Thanks. You might want to join #debian-next on irc.oftc.net as well which is the "I am running testing or sid and need help" channel. |
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| 19:26.00 | tremon | ah, tried both. well nvm me then |
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| 19:29.43 | Guest29469 | the website works in iceweasel |
| 19:29.45 | Guest29469 | why? |
| 19:29.49 | Guest29469 | :) |
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| 19:50.50 | tharkun | What is the file that needs to be edited so there is no graphical grub? |
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| 19:54.40 | tharkun | NVM found the correct piece of documentation. |
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| 20:05.13 | RLa | some logs are gzipped, some are not, which command you use to grep both ones? |
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| 20:07.44 | tremon | zgrep |
| 20:07.58 | tremon | RLa: ^^ |
| 20:08.33 | RLa | what about non-gzipped files? |
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| 20:09.35 | tremon | RLa: did you try it? |
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| 20:09.54 | RLa | seems like it works for non-gzip files too :) |
| 20:10.21 | tremon | well, it works for gzipped and uncompressed. not for bzip2 fafaik |
| 20:11.14 | TuxFighter | What to do if bandwithdth sharing between some apps won´t work as it should ? |
| 20:11.16 | RLa | damn exim is rotating too fast, no 2012 year logs :/ |
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| 20:15.18 | Towzzer | can anyone tell me a command to search all php files recursivly for some text |
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| 20:15.49 | tremon | Towzzer: grep |
| 20:16.05 | Towzzer | grep -r 'test' *.php? |
| 20:16.07 | tremon | but php files are not recursive fafaik |
| 20:16.08 | Towzzer | that doesn't work |
| 20:16.49 | tremon | no, you need find . -name \*.php |xargs grep 'test' |
| 20:16.58 | Towzzer | ok |
| 20:17.12 | Towzzer | what is the difference between \*.php and *.php |
| 20:17.18 | tremon | use -print0 and xargs -0 if you have files with spaces |
| 20:17.29 | tremon | try echo find . -name \*.php and echo find . -name *.php |
| 20:17.43 | tremon | do it in a directory that contains .php files, and one without |
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| 20:17.51 | tremon | s/without/that doesn't/ |
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| 20:20.48 | AlexLikeRock | i install "ffmpeg" dont found GUI |
| 20:20.57 | AlexLikeRock | its only by terminal ? |
| 20:21.03 | tremon | yes |
| 20:21.53 | tremon | it's not the easiest program to use either, but there are lots of examples to be found online |
| 20:22.34 | ksuhku | AlexLikeRock, transcoding? |
| 20:23.21 | AlexLikeRock | yes, trasncoding , |
| 20:23.34 | AlexLikeRock | TRasnsmagedon its workin good , |
| 20:23.49 | AlexLikeRock | but i wana try with other :-) |
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| 20:24.42 | ksuhku | :) choice is good |
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| 20:38.21 | AlexLikeRock | i fout ffm.. GUI , its "winff" |
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| 20:42.12 | petar_ | I downloaded a tar.xz which contains the source code for a code library that I need to install... I'd would simply install with synaptic but I cant find this particular library in there... what is the first step when compiling your own binary? does anyone know of a particularly good tutorial for this? |
| 20:42.37 | Towzzer | ./configure && make && make install |
| 20:43.01 | petar_ | really, that easy? |
| 20:43.08 | Towzzer | most of the time |
| 20:43.12 | Towzzer | try it :D |
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| 20:43.51 | tremon | petar_: depends on the amount of effort you want to invest |
| 20:44.22 | tremon | if you want to create a full-fledged debian package, you should read up on debhelper |
| 20:44.34 | tremon | but at the very least, use checkinstall instead of make install |
| 20:44.44 | babilen | dpkg: tell petar_ -about usrlocal |
| 20:44.47 | babilen | dpkg: tell petar_ -about stow |
| 20:44.50 | babilen | dpkg: tell petar_ -about stow usage |
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| 20:45.39 | babilen | petar_: That way (by using stow) you can make sure that you install to /usr/local and are still able to manage installation there easily. (it would otherwise be pretty hard to remove selected software as it is all over the place) |
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| 20:45.47 | babilen | petar_: What are you looking for that you can't find? |
| 20:46.44 | petar_ | gstreamer 1.0: http://gstreamer.freedesktop.org/src/gstreamer/ |
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| 20:46.54 | tremon | babilen: what's the reason for using /usr/local like it's /opt? |
| 20:46.58 | babilen | 1.0 ? haha, waht do you need that for? |
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| 20:47.24 | tremon | everything I've read so far treats /usr/local as flat as /usr, app-specific dirs are only used in /opt |
| 20:47.28 | babilen | tremon: FHS :) |
| 20:47.46 | tremon | new version? or have I always misread/skipped that part? |
| 20:47.57 | tremon | goes to pathname.com |
| 20:48.20 | petar_ | babilen: well, im working on a GM in dash app with my friend who is the actual coder... we are having problems opening audio at the moment, inside our emulator running in eclipse |
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| 20:48.45 | babilen | tremon: /usr/local is meant to be under the control of the local sysadmin (whereas /usr is meant to be under the control of the package management system) |
| 20:49.11 | tremon | babilen: sure, but FHS says nothing about using /usr/local/$program |
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| 20:49.26 | tremon | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:49.29 | petar_ | I have 0.10 installed but audio files arent opening so I'm not sure if 1.0 is maybe required |
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| 20:49.55 | tremon | "No other directories, except those listed below, may be in /usr/local after first installing a FHS-compliant system." |
| 20:50.12 | babilen | tremon: file:///usr/share/doc/debian-policy/fhs/fhs-2.3.html#USRLOCALLOCALHIERARCHY (if you have debian-policy installed) |
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| 20:50.22 | tremon | which of course says nothing about what sysadmins may do :) |
| 20:50.24 | RLa | damn wordpress plugins, produces so much crap in apache's error.log |
| 20:50.33 | tremon | babilen: thanks, I'll find it online |
| 20:50.47 | RLa | caused me to not notice some very important errors |
| 20:50.53 | babilen | tremon: You can just install the debian-policy package. |
| 20:51.20 | tremon | sure I can :) |
| 20:51.35 | tremon | but the debian policy is at http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ too |
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| 20:51.52 | babilen | not sure if that does include all the FHS stuff, but yeah |
| 20:52.04 | tremon | thx anyway |
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| 20:52.43 | babilen | tremon: I (would) use /opt for binary "packages" that I downloaded such as Firefox or Eclipse or ... not stuff that I compiled myself. Either way, stow should be used to manage that. |
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| 20:53.06 | Sanariel | hi |
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| 20:53.53 | Shadur | just got... Threatened, I suppose you can call it.. by some imbecile from ##psychology. |
| 20:54.10 | tremon | babilen: no worries, it's just that I've never seen /usr/local used like that. curiosity and such... |
| 20:54.15 | babilen | petar_: Why don't you target a recent gstreamer version? |
| 20:54.17 | Sanariel | i need some help with my iscsi san |
| 20:54.20 | babilen | tremon: Sure :) |
| 20:54.22 | Sanariel | can someone help me ? |
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| 20:54.56 | babilen | Shadur: I don't quite understand what that has to do with #debian :-? |
| 20:55.13 | JiKeidan | attempting to set up a VPN via pptpd package =\... i have debian running on a virtual box with a bridged connection to it's host computer... i am able to ping out from the pptp server to each 10.8.1.0 host, however, i can not ping into the server... |
| 20:55.15 | babilen | Sanariel: On Debian? If so: Please elaborate! |
| 20:55.22 | Sanariel | sure |
| 20:55.50 | Sanariel | i have an iscsi san with a raid 1 disk that i want to share with two dns server |
| 20:56.08 | Sanariel | i'd like to knwo if i have to make dns config on both server |
| 20:56.14 | petar_ | babilen: I can't find 1.0 in synaptic, only 0.10 (which I have already installed) I thought that by downloading 1.0.5.tar.xz and compiling that then I would be targeting the newest version of the library |
| 20:56.26 | Sanariel | or there is a way to use the shared disk |
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| 20:56.44 | Ristovski | babilen: Quick question: can I compile pacman from source on my debian wheezy, I want to use when installing drivers and such, since apt doesnt have a compile from source option |
| 20:57.05 | Ristovski | from this that is: https://www.archlinux.org/pacman/#_source_code |
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| 20:57.32 | Ristovski | cant find anything on google since its giving me links to the game pacman |
| 20:57.32 | babilen | Ristovski: Use Arch if you want to use pacman. |
| 20:57.40 | Ristovski | babilen: cant I get it on debian somehow? |
| 20:57.48 | dawud | Sanariel: is this a dns cluster? |
| 20:57.50 | Ristovski | will it work if I compile it? |
| 20:57.54 | Sanariel | yes |
| 20:58.10 | dawud | Sanariel: active/active or active/passive? |
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| 20:58.28 | babilen | Ristovski: No, it wouldn't be appropriate and I can assure you that there are better ways to do whatever you want to do. |
| 20:58.51 | tremon | Ristovski: have you heard of dkms? |
| 20:59.25 | babilen | Yeah, DKMS is an example |
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| 21:00.12 | Sanariel | euh i don't know i'm using pacemaker with corosync |
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| 21:00.16 | babilen | petar_: Ah, right. Lets see, but I wouldn't expect it to have been uploaded during the freeze. Maybe it is in experimental though |
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| 21:00.50 | Ristovski | i have heard about dkms, dont know what it is |
| 21:00.50 | Ristovski | dpkg: tell Ristovski --about dkms |
| 21:00.50 | Ristovski | aww |
| 21:01.03 | babilen | dpkg: tell Ristovski -about selftell |
| 21:01.06 | Ristovski | oh |
| 21:01.08 | Ristovski | derp |
| 21:01.14 | JiKeidan | anyone familiar with VPN and routing tables? |
| 21:01.17 | babilen | indeed :) |
| 21:01.18 | dawud | Sanariel: you should know, definitely. The storage configuration depends on that. |
| 21:01.26 | babilen | JiKeidan: ##networking maybe? |
| 21:01.37 | JiKeidan | babilen: good idea, i'll give it a try |
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| 21:01.51 | Aut0Exec | hi guys.. how do i make a iptable rule save? |
| 21:02.00 | Aut0Exec | i deleted it and now the port is still open |
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| 21:02.31 | JiKeidan | iptables-save > /etc/iptable |
| 21:02.33 | Ristovski | babilen: that doesnt seem what I need, I need something that would work like apt, but would download and compile source instead of getting binaries |
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| 21:02.38 | JiKeidan | iptables-restore < /etc/iptable |
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| 21:02.42 | petar_ | babilen: I added experimental to repository and I am not finding it, so I guess that I'm stuck having to figure out how to compile this correctly |
| 21:02.53 | JiKeidan | then open up your /etc/rc.local and add the restore line in there |
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| 21:03.04 | JiKeidan | Aut0Exec: all that was @ u =P |
| 21:03.35 | Aut0Exec | JiKeidan: ? |
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| 21:03.48 | dawud | JiKeidan: there's iptables-persistent for that |
| 21:03.55 | JiKeidan | Aut0Exec: |
| 21:03.57 | JiKeidan | iptables-save > output.file |
| 21:03.57 | JiKeidan | edit your /etc/rc.local (bootup file) |
| 21:03.57 | JiKeidan | add line (before exit 0) iptables-restore < output.file |
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| 21:04.30 | JiKeidan | aw sorry guys, it's been a while |
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| 21:04.41 | Aut0Exec | JiKeidan: ok but why is the port still open now if i deleted it? |
| 21:04.57 | Aut0Exec | i did iptables -D .... |
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| 21:07.08 | JiKeidan | Aut0Exec: what do you mean by Deleted? |
| 21:07.42 | Aut0Exec | JiKeidan: sudo iptables -D input 1 |
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| 21:10.04 | niteye | where could i find vnc4server package for ARM? it seems to be missing (or a godo alternative) |
| 21:10.36 | niteye | good |
| 21:11.05 | Ristovski | babilen: can I make apt-get -b source $packagename install directly instead of making a .deb file? |
| 21:11.46 | Sanariel | thx i found it :) |
| 21:11.51 | Sanariel | thx for your help |
| 21:13.24 | Aut0Exec | should my default iptables rules be ACCEPT? |
| 21:14.13 | Towzzer | do you have a router in your house? |
| 21:14.24 | Aut0Exec | yes |
| 21:14.27 | niteye | yes and user and pass of sudo user should be test & test |
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| 21:15.33 | Towzzer | then you are fine |
| 21:15.38 | petar_ | babilen: may I pm you for one moment please? |
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| 21:18.31 | TuxFighter | what is best tool to limit bandwidth of certain apps like wine and opera |
| 21:18.52 | zinx | TuxFighter: 'best'... is subjective |
| 21:19.16 | zinx | TuxFighter: are you looking for a userspace solution, or a quality of service one? |
| 21:19.21 | TuxFighter | some easy to use |
| 21:19.35 | TuxFighter | qos |
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| 21:20.15 | TuxFighter | best would be if it remebers the limits even beyond a restart |
| 21:20.27 | TuxFighter | so maybe that is the most important part |
| 21:20.34 | zinx | TuxFighter: there's some easy scripts that set up all the rules for you |
| 21:20.45 | zinx | TuxFighter: i.e., wondershaper |
| 21:21.04 | zinx | TuxFighter: if you want per-app user-space stuff, there are tools like trickle |
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| 21:22.54 | TuxFighter | awesome thx zinx |
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| 21:28.03 | TuxFighter | do I undestand that correctly: http://womble.decadent.org.uk/blog/whats-in-the-linux-kernel-for-debian-70-wheezy-part-1.html that there is any problem with Bufferbloat in testing ? |
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| 21:30.21 | tremon | TuxFighter: how did you get that? it says that bufferbloat reduction was put in the wheezy kernel, not that it didn't get in |
| 21:30.36 | babilen | ,v gstreamer1.0-tools |
| 21:30.37 | judd | Package: gstreamer1.0-tools on i386 -- sid: 1.0.5-1 |
| 21:30.43 | babilen | petar_: ^^^ (btw) |
| 21:30.50 | tremon | and the "problem" is what you make of it. It's in Squeeze's kernel as well |
| 21:30.52 | babilen | petar_: The rest is there too. |
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| 21:35.35 | petar_ | babilen: thanks, but I don't see it in apt-get... is in in experimental repository? (I thought that I had added that as a source). What about just getting it from apt-get? could you tell me the exact command that I should use in that case? please and thank you. |
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| 21:38.52 | petar_ | babilen: rather, synaptic is where I can't find it |
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| 21:41.17 | matip | Hello |
| 21:41.49 | matip | is there any way to play audio using the speakers and *at the same time* the headphones (actually, they're connected to other speakers)? |
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| 21:43.00 | TuxFighter | sorry tremon did regocnize your answer, the thing is that I currently have a such problem with the RTL8111e |
| 21:43.38 | zykotick9 | when using "dpkg-reconfigure console-setup" to change fonts, it only seems to apply to F1-F6, consoles after F6 are origional font. is there some way to apply this to all virtual consoles? |
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| 21:44.32 | tremon | TuxFighter: I don't think that buffer bloat patches will affect individual cards. If you need a specific commit/patch then it's best to request that it be added to wheezy's kernel |
| 21:44.48 | tremon | zykotick9: do you have more than 6 text consoles? |
| 21:45.06 | zykotick9 | tremon: i do. my consoles to to 11 ;) |
| 21:45.22 | TuxFighter | interesting is also that I got this: [ 14.993373] r8169 0000:05:00.0: eth0: unable to load firmware patch rtl_nic/rtl8168e-3.fw (-2) |
| 21:45.26 | tremon | are they all using the same getty? |
| 21:45.37 | TuxFighter | beside that I got those bandwidth problem on some apps |
| 21:45.58 | zykotick9 | tremon: not sure what you mean. i just copy/pasted the lines in /etc/inittab for the extras - so i guess so?!? |
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| 21:46.43 | Getty | tremon: I'm not a whore :(((( |
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| 21:47.15 | tremon | zykotick9: it's odd, console setup should be picked up by any getty except the ones in this channel |
| 21:47.21 | Getty | :D |
| 21:47.31 | tremon | but it's an unusual configuration, it's possible no one has tested your configuration |
| 21:47.44 | Getty | oh unusual? what is he doing? |
| 21:47.46 | babilen | Getty: You might want to refrain from that … |
| 21:47.55 | zykotick9 | tremon: well, thanks for the input. i'd though i'd ask. |
| 21:48.06 | tremon | zykotick9: maybe reportbug? |
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| 21:51.41 | petar_ | I dont see the following package in my synaptic: http://packages.debian.org/unstable/utils/gstreamer1.0-tools how might I get it in there? |
| 21:52.56 | zykotick9 | petar_: did you try gstreamer-tools? |
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| 21:54.50 | petar_ | zykotick9: I see that in synaptic, but it says that its version 0.10.30-1... is that the same as gstreamer1? |
| 21:55.01 | Towzzer | tony, the du command should |
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| 21:55.34 | zykotick9 | petar_: sorry, i don't know. |
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| 21:58.16 | zykotick9 | petar_: not the same. gstreamer1.0-tools is only is sid. |
| 21:58.20 | petar_ | zykotick9: no matter, Ive downloaded the debian package and have that expanded into a folder in downloads... what is the process for installing debian packages again? |
| 21:58.39 | zykotick9 | petar_: "dpkg -i foo.deb" |
| 21:58.44 | petar_ | thanks |
| 21:59.00 | zykotick9 | petar_: are you sure this is a good idea? i'm not ;) good luck. |
| 21:59.21 | petar_ | zykotick9: why, what might be the problem? |
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| 21:59.40 | zykotick9 | petar_: dependencies, what other packages are expecting... |
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| 22:02.03 | petar_ | zykoticks: im a newb, i thought maybe i could use synaptic to build the rest of those |
| 22:02.10 | petar_ | after getting errors etc |
| 22:02.42 | petar_ | or maybe i should take care of those first |
| 22:02.48 | petar_ | derp |
| 22:03.03 | zykotick9 | petar_: if you're ok with breaking packages that use gstreamer, keep going. if not, i'd suggest stopping. |
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| 22:03.25 | zykotick9 | petar_: why do you need this package? at this version? |
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| 22:04.46 | petar_ | im working with GM SDK, emulator for in-dash computer... it needs gstreamer to play audio, which is mission critical for me... i have gstreamer 0.10 installed, and audio isnt working yet, so im trying latest version in case that is the issue |
| 22:04.50 | Aleksander | Hello. I've installed #! waldorf (debian testing) and encrypted my /home/user with ecryptfs. Logging in with slim worked once, but now each time slim issues command |
| 22:05.13 | Aleksander | 'exec /bin/bash -login /etc/X11/Xsession openbox-session' it can't log |
| 22:05.14 | Aleksander | and it just resets |
| 22:05.28 | Aleksander | when I issue it from the console, it simply logs me out |
| 22:05.51 | Aleksander | when logging on user account in console (F1-6), I have access to all my files |
| 22:06.03 | Aleksander | what can be the reason of this problem? |
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| 22:08.23 | petar_ | zykoticks9: im working with GM SDK, emulator for in-dash computer... it needs gstreamer to play audio, which is mission critical for me... i have gstreamer 0.10 installed, and audio isnt working yet, so im trying latest version in case that is the issue |
| 22:08.27 | zykotick9 | Aleksander: you should probably find a #! irc channel then. |
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| 22:08.48 | zykotick9 | petar_: sorry, ya i saw. i just didn't have anything to say. best of luck! |
| 22:09.22 | petar_ | thanks |
| 22:10.06 | zykotick9 | petar_: you might want to see "/msg dpkg ssb" for the proper way of getting stuff from sid into stable. |
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| 22:10.40 | Aleksander | zykotick9: they don't answer |
| 22:10.59 | zykotick9 | Aleksander: well, install debian and you can get help here. |
| 22:11.17 | Aleksander | zykotick9: #! is debian, isn't it? |
| 22:11.30 | zykotick9 | Aleksander: no. it's based off debian, but isn't debian. |
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| 22:12.08 | petar_ | Package libc0.1 is not available, but is referred to by another package. This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or is only available from another source However the following packages replace it: libc-bin tzdata initscripts |
| 22:12.48 | zykotick9 | Aleksander: you might want to see "/msg dpkg crunchbang" for confirmation of what i've said. |
| 22:12.55 | petar_ | how come i cant get packages that are on listed on debian website? |
| 22:13.23 | zykotick9 | petar_: you really should consult teh ssb factoid... |
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| 22:14.30 | zykotick9 | petar_: packages.debian.org will list package for stable/testing/sid/experimental - but they aren't always available, if you don't have those sources. |
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| 22:15.22 | zykotick9 | petar_: sorry, misread your last statement. but, manually downloading packages is not the best solution... |
| 22:16.57 | petar_ | zykotic9: i was wondering why apt-get couldnt download what is on the website... i have already added experimental repository.. are there more I should add? |
| 22:17.42 | zykotick9 | petar_: mixing binary repositories is going to lead to tears... |
| 22:18.36 | zykotick9 | petar_: what debian are you using right now? be aware that experimental (what i'd call "the non-debian debian repository") is based off of sid |
| 22:19.16 | zykotick9 | petar_: s/based off/built on/ |
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| 22:20.45 | gitsu-sa | is legit to install Ubuntu packages on Debian? |
| 22:21.04 | zykotick9 | gitsu-sa: NO. |
| 22:21.05 | petar_ | zykotick9: im sorry, i dont know, I just installed from debian website web installer.. i dont see any system info here |
| 22:21.13 | gitsu-sa | zykotick9: thank you |
| 22:21.21 | zykotick9 | petar_: "lsb_release -a" will show version info |
| 22:22.15 | zykotick9 | petar_: or better yet, what's the codename "lsb_release -sc" |
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| 22:25.00 | petar_ | squeeze |
| 22:26.03 | zykotick9 | petar_: so getting packages from experimental is almost certain to cause issues... sorry. see "/msg dpkg ssb" for proper way of backporting stuff from sid->squeeze (it uses source packages instead of binary packages) |
| 22:27.50 | zykotick9 | petar_: just personal opinion here, but experimental is a "trainwreck" compared to the quality/stability of debian stable (or even testing) |
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| 22:50.02 | leftist | where exactly is sources.list located? |
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| 22:53.43 | enric | [B[A[B[B[B |
| 22:54.18 | Towzzer | leftish /etc/apt |
| 22:54.22 | light_ | I'm on Debian squeeze and have Emacs 23.2, how do I update to Emacs 24.2? |
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| 23:10.52 | light_ | I'm on debian squeeze and have emacs 23.2, how do I update to 24.2? is this the only way: http://emacs.naquadah.org/ ? |
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| 23:38.30 | diphtherial | hey, since going from squeeze to wheezy, i keep getting the following when attempting to install things via apt-get: http://pastebin.com/iG0PZWQW |
| 23:38.38 | diphtherial | (well, that's the end of the installation) |
| 23:39.09 | diphtherial | i know that i can add the paths it mentions to my PATH and it'll work, but it seems strange that this should be broken now. what's the canonical way to have these paths added automatically? |
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| 23:40.20 | temporarybadge1 | ur mom's canonical |
| 23:40.37 | diphtherial | that's...good, right? |
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| 23:41.27 | themill | dpkg: tell diphtherial about sudo path |
| 23:41.39 | diphtherial | ah, that's helpful; thanks :) |
| 23:42.01 | diphtherial | guess i must've missed that during the upgrade... |
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| 23:49.07 | intelikey | diphtherial ummm maybe put it in /etc/profile or /etc/bash.bashrc which ever is applycable/; idk. |
| 23:49.12 | winsen | hi all |
| 23:49.33 | winsen | can you please tell me what's the best torent? thanks |
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| 23:54.46 | intelikey | oh was that an sudo specific? my bsd ! should have read more... |
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