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| 00:06.53 | blinded | hello |
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| 00:07.16 | Towzzer | what blinded you? |
| 00:07.23 | Towzzer | the unity desktop? |
| 00:07.26 | Towzzer | hits some drums |
| 00:08.14 | blinded | maybe |
| 00:10.24 | blinded | yesterday night i did cp -rv from an esata drive to an internal sata drive (~700GB of data), both mounted using ntfs-3g, when i woke up, although the operation finished, i found many files were 0KB, anyone hypothesize what could have happened? |
| 00:11.38 | Towzzer | any errors? |
| 00:12.07 | Towzzer | pick a file that was 0k and copy it now |
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| 00:12.28 | blinded | no errors that i could see from the buffer |
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| 00:12.46 | Dwarf | Jan |
| 00:13.32 | blinded | the files copy no problem individually |
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| 00:14.25 | blinded | it was mostly the 200MB+ files that did not copy |
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| 00:17.56 | rryoumaa | i have an old system with one disk having i think woody and another disk maybe slightly newer. when is the earliest system that will upgrade? |
| 00:18.30 | rryoumaa | and how do i find out what system (and whether stable etc.) one of them is? |
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| 00:18.41 | rryoumaa | by system read code name i guess |
| 00:19.05 | blinded | cat /etc/debian_version ? |
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| 00:19.14 | rryoumaa | thanks |
| 00:19.31 | rryoumaa | will that say which stability level? |
| 00:19.33 | Towzzer | blinded, i don't know |
| 00:20.05 | phatypus | rryoumaa: lsb_release -a |
| 00:20.24 | rryoumaa | thanks |
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| 00:20.31 | cjwelborn | so, i bought a new laptop with windows 8 on it. UEFI enabled, and everything. I used a special Ubuntu re-mix because it was the only thing that worked. Does debian offer a UEFI version, or does debian plan to? |
| 00:20.41 | rryoumaa | will ddccontrol handle vga? |
| 00:20.46 | rryoumaa | for backlight control |
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| 00:21.15 | blinded | Towzzer: it's ok. i suspect ntfs-3g is just flaky |
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| 00:21.31 | Towzzer | maybe, how about you perform this copy on windows since both drives are ntfs |
| 00:21.45 | blinded | Towzzer: already done, worked perfectly |
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| 00:26.31 | blinded | was hoping to set up a NAS+backup system but with the state of ntfs drivers for linux/osx they probably need to be separate appliances |
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| 00:27.20 | [Riki] | hellow |
| 00:27.22 | [Riki] | ?? |
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| 00:27.52 | Ouroboro | i did 'modprobe brd rd_nr=1 rd_size=1048576' to create /dev/ram0, now i am trying 'badblocks' on it: works great as non-root, but fails to write any data as root: any ideas? |
| 00:28.35 | Ouroboro | it does not give any sort of permission error, just does not actually write any data to /dev/ram0 and reports all blocks as bad |
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| 00:36.36 | polly | some of my keys are mixed up, for example shift+2 is Ω, where are the keyboard language / settings? |
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| 00:37.59 | polly | okay, sorta found the keyboard settings, but not sure how to switch to normal. settings seem to be set accuracly |
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| 00:39.14 | Ouroboro | actually, scratch that, it does write data to /dev/ram0 but it is all zero instead of the random pattern, which is why it fails |
| 00:39.22 | Ouroboro | i guess its just a badblocks ui bug |
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| 00:42.13 | rryoumaa | can i assume that a debian installation from 2008 should be blown away with a new installation isntead of upgrading? |
| 00:42.26 | Towzzer | if you can |
| 00:42.48 | Towzzer | seems like servers these days have single functions like apache or are controlled by puppet |
| 00:42.57 | Towzzer | it's faster and cleaner to clean install then just put back the one service |
| 00:43.00 | Towzzer | right? |
| 00:43.31 | Ouroboro | personal choice i guess, i always do clean installs |
| 00:43.41 | Towzzer | so do I |
| 00:43.55 | Towzzer | everytime I've typed distro upgrade the computer didn't boot again :D |
| 00:44.09 | rryoumaa | that's a strong endorsement |
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| 00:44.54 | ksuhku | clean install, clean underwear |
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| 00:45.53 | polly | so does anyone have any suggestions on how to get my shift+2 from Ω back to the at symbol??? |
| 00:45.57 | polly | thanks |
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| 00:47.47 | Ouroboro | also, i dont know how the upgrade process works, but i assume that as the gap between versions increases, so does the failure probability |
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| 00:55.28 | NginUS | Where's there a current document detailing how to install with secure boot UEFI? |
| 00:55.52 | NginUS | I found this: http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=81120 |
| 00:56.02 | NginUS | & it says its obsolete |
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| 00:57.57 | Ouroboro | not sure, but out of curiosity, why do you want secure boot? |
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| 01:01.07 | NginUS | Ouroboro : Just because I paid for it I guess. Probably will end up disabling it to load Debian though. |
| 01:02.06 | Ouroboro | yeah, i got it on my new laptop as well because of win8, but i think i will just turn it off |
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| 01:03.06 | NginUS | Ouroboro : What's it for anyway? |
| 01:03.10 | NginUS | Viruses? |
| 01:03.53 | Ouroboro | i suppose things like bootkits |
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| 01:04.19 | Ouroboro | and also people plugging in random usb drives (although i am not clear on this part) |
| 01:04.44 | Ouroboro | but mostly i think its for locking people into win8 :) |
| 01:05.19 | NginUS | I'll have to look into whether I really need it. I usually do a BIOS password & a Grub password & I'm happy with that for security. |
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| 01:07.56 | Ouroboro | well, might as well play with it, i think its not that difficult to get debian to work |
| 01:09.42 | NginUS | I guess I'll use that outdated doc I found. It'll be a couple months until I get the box anyway, maybe there'll be an update on the forum |
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| 01:10.46 | Ouroboro | why so long |
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| 01:13.15 | Ouroboro | http://www.rodsbooks.com/efi-bootloaders/secureboot.html | this might be useful |
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| 01:18.24 | BlueNeXuS | hello all |
| 01:18.40 | BlueNeXuS | would anyone please help me with a Docky issue in linux? |
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| 01:21.50 | Gargantua | Hey guys, fresh install of wheezy here, mousepad is working but it doesn't click, where do I start? |
| 01:22.45 | Towzzer | sorry, don't know what mousepad is |
| 01:22.54 | Towzzer | I mean I have a mousepad for my mouse but I assume you are talking about a program |
| 01:23.10 | Gargantua | errr |
| 01:23.12 | Gargantua | touchpad, lol |
| 01:23.23 | Gargantua | Sorry, english isn't my native teeth. |
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| 01:24.45 | levabalkin | is there a way to disable one core of an i7 cpu ? |
| 01:26.39 | rryoumaa | if i have debian installed on hda, and another debian installed on hdc, and i can't boot hda because of kernel version issues or something, is there a way to boot from hdc and still have programs from hda available to run? |
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| 01:27.32 | Towzzer | rryoumaa, boot into hdc then change root into hda , that might wor, |
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| 01:27.44 | Ouroboro | Gargantua: perhaps look at Xorg settings? |
| 01:28.03 | Gargantua | Ah that's the thing. No xorg.conf in wheezy apparently. |
| 01:28.20 | rryoumaa | how do you change root into it? i think have root (which has usr etc.) and home on hda, not sure |
| 01:28.28 | Ouroboro | Gargantua: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 01:28.34 | Gargantua | I'll try that. |
| 01:28.52 | Gargantua | That gives me no output. |
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| 01:29.37 | Towzzer | mount the hda somewhere like /os2 |
| 01:29.42 | Towzzer | then chroot /os2 |
| 01:29.57 | Towzzer | this might work, I'm not sure |
| 01:29.57 | Towzzer | <PROTECTED> |
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| 01:31.24 | Ouroboro | Gargantua: there is still nothing in /etc/Xorg? |
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| 01:32.38 | Ouroboro | or /etc/X11, whatever |
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| 01:36.07 | Ouroboro | anyway, you should be able to get some sort of minimal xorg.conf, then add your trackpad stuff manually if you must |
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| 01:36.51 | Ouroboro | http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=38967 | see if there is something useful here, it talks about synaptics touchpads as well |
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| 01:38.43 | rryoumaa | Towzzer: thanks i will try it |
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| 01:45.13 | atomfire | hey all. I'm having a problem with sudo apt-get install, I get an error that 'ldconfig not found in PATH or not executable' --> http://pastebin.com/XKfwqLiJ |
| 01:45.42 | atomfire | fresh wheezy installation. apt-get works fine as root, just not with sudo |
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| 01:46.00 | atomfire | I added myself to the sudoers file. not sure why it's not working |
| 01:46.14 | Towzzer | did you log in again? |
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| 01:46.24 | atomfire | yes, just now |
| 01:46.32 | atomfire | rebooted actually |
| 01:46.38 | Ouroboros | it looks like your root PATH is wrong |
| 01:46.45 | atomfire | I'll paste it |
| 01:46.47 | Ouroboros | show 'sudo echo $PATH' |
| 01:47.18 | atomfire | /usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin |
| 01:47.27 | Ouroboros | hm |
| 01:47.46 | Ouroboros | 'sudo which ldconfig' |
| 01:47.49 | atomfire | when I ran visudo, it was blank, that's the only other thing that was strange about all of this |
| 01:48.08 | atomfire | normally there's SOMETHING in the /etc/sudoers file. mine was totally empty |
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| 01:48.44 | atomfire | Ouroboros: I ran sudo which ldconfig, it returned a blank line |
| 01:48.49 | Ouroboros | ls -l /sbin/ldconfig |
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| 01:49.25 | atomfire | 664 /sbin/ldconfig |
| 01:50.19 | Ouroboros | it should be 755 |
| 01:50.31 | Ouroboros | but the question is, how did this happen |
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| 01:50.45 | atomfire | chmod it? |
| 01:50.56 | atomfire | I do not know, this is a fresh installation |
| 01:51.06 | atomfire | from a squeeze cd |
| 01:51.43 | Ouroboros | is /sbin/start-stop-daemon 644 as well? |
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| 01:52.30 | atomfire | 28 /sbin/start-stop-daemon |
| 01:52.35 | atomfire | ??? |
| 01:52.55 | Ouroboros | wait, what is that number you are pasting? |
| 01:52.59 | Gargantua | Where can I find the configuration files for wifi? |
| 01:53.11 | Gargantua | I was surprised to see it working after I finished with the netinstall. |
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| 01:53.28 | atomfire | that's the output of ls -s |
| 01:53.36 | Ouroboros | ls -l, not ls -s :) |
| 01:53.46 | atomfire | :) heh ok |
| 01:54.01 | Ouroboros | oh -s is size, heh |
| 01:54.08 | atomfire | -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 26740 Oct 19 22:41 /sbin/start-stop-daemon |
| 01:54.26 | atomfire | omg jeez that was confusing, because my whole /sbin was a MESS when I ran ls -s :) |
| 01:54.28 | Ouroboros | hm, never mind the permissions thing then |
| 01:54.32 | atomfire | heh |
| 01:54.33 | atomfire | ok |
| 01:54.51 | Ouroboros | i was confused because 664 is a common permission mode, so i figured you just paraphrased |
| 01:55.23 | atomfire | oh wow ok. nope |
| 01:55.27 | atomfire | funny coincidence |
| 01:56.27 | atomfire | Hummmmmmmmm |
| 01:56.31 | Ouroboros | wait |
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| 01:57.08 | Ouroboros | one sec |
| 01:57.13 | atomfire | ok |
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| 02:00.57 | atomfire | Ouroboros: brb |
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| 02:01.56 | Ouroboros | my 'sudo echo $PATH' also does not include /sbin |
| 02:02.05 | Ouroboros | i am not certain whether it should or not |
| 02:02.22 | Ouroboros | as a quick fix, you can do 'sudo su' and then 'apt-get ...' in that shell |
| 02:02.40 | Ouroboros | http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?p=390742 | this thread has some futher information on this |
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| 02:05.01 | atomfire | Ouroboros: I'll try that |
| 02:05.20 | carandraug | a question about bash. If I have a file that has a list of filenames and a command that takes filenames as arguments, how can I use the file in the command? |
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| 02:05.24 | atomfire | Ouroboros: how is that different from just 'su' ? |
| 02:05.53 | Ouroboros | i think its normal for sudo to not have those things in path by default |
| 02:05.57 | Ouroboros | more info here: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=80215 |
| 02:06.08 | Ouroboros | atomfire: su asks for root password, sudo su asks for user password |
| 02:06.15 | atomfire | as root, 'echo $PATH' has /sbin |
| 02:06.26 | atomfire | ahh I see |
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| 02:07.20 | Ouroboros | http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/8646/why-are-path-variables-different-when-running-via-sudo-and-su |
| 02:07.25 | carandraug | I think I can almost do it with $(cat filepath) but I'm afraid doing something wrong |
| 02:07.26 | joseyluis | crandraug: comando `tr '\n' ' ' $file` |
| 02:07.39 | Ouroboros | so you can add /sbin in your sudoers file if you feel like it, or just use sudo su |
| 02:07.58 | Ouroboros | i am not certain what the 'officially endorsed' policy on this is, since in never use sudo :) |
| 02:08.38 | joseyluis | cradraug: $(cat ... works too. |
| 02:09.12 | atomfire | Ouroboros: how DO you do it? |
| 02:09.18 | atomfire | (I never use sudo either) |
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| 02:09.32 | Ouroboros | i just use su, heh |
| 02:09.37 | atomfire | same here |
| 02:09.43 | atomfire | bad, bad, bad :) |
| 02:09.45 | Ouroboros | that is definitely not the recommended method though :) |
| 02:09.54 | atomfire | heh well I knew that much :) |
| 02:10.12 | Ouroboros | anyway, sudo su is probably fine, just dont leave it open :) |
| 02:10.19 | carandraug | joseyluis, so I'd just have the tr command inside parentheses as well? |
| 02:10.20 | peterrooney | carandraug: #bash exists |
| 02:10.48 | atomfire | Ouroboros: thanks |
| 02:10.50 | Ouroboros | np |
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| 02:11.48 | joseyluis | $( ...) and `...`is the same. I like more your cat solution. |
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| 02:12.30 | Ouroboros | i would just use 'command `cat file`' |
| 02:13.01 | Ouroboros | i dont think \n matters on command-line |
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| 02:14.00 | joseyluis | I have tried echo $(cat /etc/passwd), and it works ok. |
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| 02:15.18 | intelikey | i have an issue. sense i updated to squeeze "a few months ago" the printer doesn't work. would there be a simple fix ? maybe ? |
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| 02:16.38 | atomfire | intelikey: you're not giving nearly enough information for anyone to be able to help you |
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| 02:17.12 | intelikey | ummm i broke it ? what information would help ? |
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| 02:17.39 | intelikey | i mean is squeeze the latest stable ? |
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| 02:18.17 | carandraug | joseyluis, seems like it. Hope it's not having some other effect I don't see. Thank you |
| 02:18.18 | Towzzer | squeeze is the latest stable |
| 02:19.07 | intelikey | so there is not a simple "dist-upgrade" that would help (probably) then |
| 02:19.56 | atomfire | intelikey: It depends on what broke. what printer, what exactly isn't working, etc |
| 02:20.35 | zinx | atomfire: the one he's using, and it isn't doing what he wants it to, duh |
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| 02:21.15 | atomfire | zinx: damn. that happened to me too!!! |
| 02:21.22 | joseyluis | I am trying to configure a wheezy debian (beta4) with netboot (dhcpd + pxe), with preseeding. It syas thatn I can't detect the hard drives. |
| 02:21.45 | zinx | atomfire: we should all report it as a bug in one bug report |
| 02:21.51 | joseyluis | I have tried it using a local mirror with a netinst iso. |
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| 02:23.02 | joseyluis | I have been reading and I think that it is a missmatch of the udebs of kernel drivers. |
| 02:23.23 | Gargantua | intelikey: snoop around in /var/log/cups for clues |
| 02:23.56 | intelikey | atomfire ok. it's a vary simple 'HP deskjet 3520' (usb connection) and the os doesn't see it at all any more. but the issue is most likely something to do with permissions or something. i have customized the system quite a bit. i didn't expect upgrading to break it though. so i'll go and not bother the channel anymore. |
| 02:24.04 | joseyluis | Do you know what image or files do I need for a local mirror? Do I need to setup a mirror with all the archives? |
| 02:24.25 | intelikey | gargantua yeah. and /var/log/* |
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| 02:26.27 | atomfire | intelikey: I do not know, all I'm saying is that without giving all of the specific information you have, NO one is going to be able to help you troubleshoot |
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| 02:28.31 | intelikey | atomfire agreed. was only asking for the basics. current stable... known issues... nothing more. thanks. |
| 02:30.55 | bfortified | something used all space in / whats the best way to find it? |
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| 02:33.17 | joseyluis | find / -size +1000000 -ctime -1 . It is files of mor 1 Mbyte, and created in the last day |
| 02:33.29 | zhvtar | bfortified: find / -size +10000k |
| 02:34.13 | intelikey | du -sh /* and follow |
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| 02:37.16 | bfortified | thanks |
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| 02:41.20 | joseyluis | bfortified: if you add -mount to the find command it will be more faster. It won't cross other filesystems. (If you are only interested in / filesystem). |
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| 02:41.56 | exobyte | is there a file that has a list of all the packages that are installed? |
| 02:42.21 | Gargantua | After I modify /etc/network/interfaces, how do I get the system to re-read it? |
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| 02:43.02 | intelikey | errrrr sudo find / -xdev -exec touch -t 194112070945 "{}" \; (((( so maybe checking the date is not so affective in some cases ? |
| 02:43.23 | exobyte | Gargantua: can't you just do ifdown/ifup on the interfaces you changed? |
| 02:43.46 | Gargantua | Oh, that's all? |
| 02:43.48 | Gargantua | sweet. |
| 02:43.53 | intelikey | exobyte yes and unless you want to read it manually you can let dpkg -l read it for you |
| 02:44.11 | exobyte | intelikey: I *have* to read it manually |
| 02:44.20 | exobyte | intelikey: my FS got very corrupted |
| 02:44.29 | exobyte | intelikey: and everything's in lost+found |
| 02:44.42 | zinx | scary |
| 02:45.17 | exobyte | and impressive. it was in vmware, and the disk was hosted on a remote machine with no hdd issues |
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| 02:45.29 | zinx | going to have to blame vmware there |
| 02:45.46 | zinx | also going to have to recommend regular backups :X |
| 02:46.08 | exobyte | zinx: the remote machine has zfs, so a backup is just a snapshot...that's old |
| 02:46.19 | exobyte | but I don't really have much to recover |
| 02:46.37 | exobyte | I found all my files, now I just need a package list |
| 02:47.51 | intelikey | exobyte ummmm there is a list in /var/lib and also a list or install trigger/scripts in /var/lib/dpkg/info/ but i forgot the name of the single file. |
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| 02:48.52 | zinx | exobyte: i think you're missing the point of backups :P |
| 02:49.01 | zinx | exobyte: which is a tad amusing, given your current situation |
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| 02:51.37 | intelikey | heh. all files cat /var/lib/dpkg/info/*.list |
| 02:52.04 | exobyte | intelikey: well...let's see if grep '[.]list^' works |
| 02:52.36 | exobyte | s/[^]/$/ |
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| 02:56.36 | light_ | How do I upgrade to Emacs 24.2? I followed the instructions here: http://emacs.naquadah.org/. So I added the APT key and the two additional lines to /etc/apt/sources.list file. I am still on Emacs 23.2.1, what do? |
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| 03:01.33 | Bluefoxicy | Anyone gotten the Debian kDFBSD thing to work? |
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| 03:03.30 | intelikey | what does COLUMNS=300 ; for q in `dpkg -l | grep -v ^ii | cut -d' ' -f3` ;do dpkg -P $q ;done |
| 03:04.16 | nkuttler | Bluefoxicy: kfreebsd? no, the squeeze installer didn't work on my laptop. pure freebsd runs pretty well though |
| 03:04.41 | Bluefoxicy | nkuttler: other bsd kernel |
| 03:04.52 | exobyte | intelikey: removes all packages not starting with ii, I think |
| 03:04.52 | Towzzer | I think it prints the names and details of packages that are not marked as installed, |
| 03:04.59 | Towzzer | oh right purge |
| 03:05.01 | Bluefoxicy | nkuttler: https://github.com/varialus/DragonFlyDebian Was trying to figure out htf this works. |
| 03:05.42 | friedg | I use PCBSD it's the easiest |
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| 03:06.16 | Bluefoxicy | friedg: it's still FreeBSD which is boring. I've already tried FreeBSD and Debian kFreeBSD |
| 03:06.17 | nkuttler | Bluefoxicy: no idea, don't really care |
| 03:06.29 | Bluefoxicy | also played with Nexenta which is Debian/Solaris |
| 03:07.33 | friedg | Buy a sparc Sunblade 150 for 20 dollars and put netbsd on it |
| 03:07.39 | friedg | or Gentoo |
| 03:07.42 | Bluefoxicy | hehe |
| 03:07.58 | Bluefoxicy | friedg: buy an HP Moonshot fully loaded when they come out, put anything on it, and watch the OS die. |
| 03:08.29 | Bluefoxicy | moonshot is looking like with SMT and quad core it'll be doing 2304 cores per server |
| 03:08.30 | friedg | but i mean if you don't want to configure and compile forever PCBSD is the easiest BSD |
| 03:10.04 | light_ | How do I upgrade to Emacs 24.2? I followed the instructions here: http://emacs.naquadah.org/. So I added the APT key and the two additional lines to /etc/apt/sources.list file. I am still on Emacs 23.2.1 even after Debian checked for updates, what do I do? |
| 03:11.12 | nkuttler | ,v emacs |
| 03:11.13 | judd | Package: emacs on i386 -- lenny: 22.2+2-5; lenny-backports: 23.1+1-4~bpo50+1; sid: 23.2+1-7; squeeze: 23.2+1-7; squeeze-proposed-updates: 23.2+1-7+squeeze1; squeeze-security: 23.2+1-7+squeeze1; sid: 45.0; wheezy: 45.0 |
| 03:11.48 | intelikey | can kde3 be installed in squeeze ? |
| 03:11.50 | nkuttler | light_: doesn't look like 24 is packaged yet.. not sure though what 45 is.. |
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| 03:12.29 | nkuttler | ,v emacs24-common-non-dfsg |
| 03:12.30 | judd | Package: emacs24-common-non-dfsg on i386 -- wheezy/non-free: 24.1+1-1; sid/non-free: 24.2+1-1 |
| 03:12.41 | nkuttler | light_: looks like it's in wheezy+ |
| 03:12.50 | intelikey | doesn't like kde4 |
| 03:13.08 | nkuttler | has never used any kde for more than 24hrs |
| 03:13.14 | friedg | I'm not sure why HP chose the Atom over ARM for moonshot |
| 03:13.36 | Bluefoxicy | they didn't. |
| 03:13.42 | Bluefoxicy | They're going to build both. |
| 03:14.04 | light_ | so there's no way for someone on squeeze to get on to emacs 24.2? |
| 03:14.11 | Bluefoxicy | Thing is if you don't have a completely lockless process scheduler and memory allocation in your OS kernel, it won't work with several thousand cores. All kinds of pain will happen all the time. |
| 03:14.22 | Bluefoxicy | tbh computers weren't designed with this crap in mind. |
| 03:14.41 | nkuttler | light_: maybe you can build a backport, or maybe there is one already |
| 03:14.46 | nkuttler | !tell light_ about backports |
| 03:15.53 | friedg | well that's good, i've always favored RISC over CISC |
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| 03:28.03 | KrisB | Hello, I wanna swich to Debian. Can you guys help me to install Debian ? |
| 03:29.18 | Towzzer | it's pretty easy, download the installation cd |
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| 03:34.00 | KrisB | Tomzzer: I would like to boot the installer from hard disk. |
| 03:35.15 | KrisB | Towzzer, as far as I know I need vmlinuz (kernel binary) and initrd.gz (ramdisk image) and edit my GRUB2 configuration. |
| 03:35.49 | Towzzer | yeah , can you boot from a usb |
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| 03:36.51 | KrisB | Towzzer, no, my motherboard doesnt support it, and I have no CD-ROM. CUrrency I have Ubuntu 12.04 |
| 03:39.57 | Bluefoxicy | KrisB: if you have enough RAM you might be able to memdisk it |
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| 03:40.42 | KrisB | Bluefoxicy - only 1.5GB |
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| 03:41.51 | KrisB | Bluefoxicy, I am considering "Booting from Linux Using LILO or GRUB" |
| 03:41.58 | Bluefoxicy | KrisB: try using http://www.syslinux.org/wiki/index.php/MEMDISK#GRUB2 syslinux memdisk |
| 03:42.03 | Bluefoxicy | use your iso as the memdisk |
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| 03:44.17 | Bluefoxicy | hmm |
| 03:44.20 | Bluefoxicy | oh it says it won't work |
| 03:44.42 | Bluefoxicy | well. I guess if you break out into the initrd and do some mucking about it will, but eh. |
| 03:45.09 | Bluefoxicy | I know how to do it in principal, not specifically for debian. |
| 03:45.37 | KrisB | Bluefoxicy, how about this way? |
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| 03:45.39 | KrisB | http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch05s01.html.en#boot-initrd |
| 03:46.22 | Bluefoxicy | (you'd have to pass a kernel parameter to drop to a shell in the initrd, then mount a tmpfs, copy the iso from the hard disk into the tmpfs in memory, mount the ISO, modify the early initrd script to assume the ISO is already mounted there, then jump back into that script to continue the boot process) |
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| 03:46.57 | Bluefoxicy | ah, that's interesting |
| 03:46.57 | Bluefoxicy | :) |
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| 03:46.59 | Bluefoxicy | might work |
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| 03:47.35 | awc737 | hey, I just upgraded to kernel 3.7, and ALL audio is very very distorted |
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| 03:47.57 | awc737 | extremely choppy |
| 03:48.10 | streuner | hm |
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| 03:49.16 | otters | who uses weechat? |
| 03:49.28 | awc737 | like the audio cuts out every second |
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| 03:49.40 | streuner | awc737, why did you upgrade to an kernel which isnt in Debian? |
| 03:49.50 | awc737 | streuner: what do you mean |
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| 03:50.04 | awc737 | I didn't think linux kernels were specific to OS |
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| 03:51.28 | streuner | awc737, well, iam asking myself why you upgraded to an kernel which doesnt work too |
| 03:52.05 | awc737 | streuner: what do you mean it doesn't work? everything else works |
| 03:53.59 | awc737 | brb |
| 03:54.00 | KrisB | so I use download these three files http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/dists/squeeze/main/installer-i386/current/images/hd-media/ right? |
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| 04:00.21 | awc737 | I have learned that my audio works fine, except after a hibernate / suspend, coming back |
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| 04:16.34 | graham1 | 12454 ALERT - script tried to increase memory_limit to 419430400 bytes which is above the allowed value (attacker '86.1x.1xx.xx', file '/var/www/www.zzz.com/public_html/wp-admin/admin.php', line 109) |
| 04:16.34 | graham1 | im getting these sorts of errors. afaik i have a fairly bogstandard wordpress install. i just finished the install about 20mins ago. i only have 1 plugin running atm! akismet |
| 04:16.46 | graham1 | im using lighthttpd |
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| 04:19.17 | Cyclohexane | graham1: if you're not using akismet I'd disable it |
| 04:20.11 | Towzzer | graham, this actually might be normal, the script might have a php settings value |
| 04:20.50 | graham1 | it does have a php settings value |
| 04:21.21 | graham1 | thanks |
| 04:21.26 | LtL | graham1: i'm not sure but i think akismet requires an account |
| 04:21.33 | graham1 | i have an account with akismet |
| 04:21.49 | graham1 | furthermore, why would it be trying to change it to /above/ the allowed value? |
| 04:21.59 | graham1 | surely thats a sign of something being broken? |
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| 04:22.38 | awc737 | I have learned that my audio works fine, except after a hibernate / suspend, coming back |
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| 04:22.50 | awc737 | afterward it is extremely choppy and distorted |
| 04:22.58 | awc737 | like I am tapping the mute button twice per second |
| 04:23.33 | Cyclohexane | graham1: what version of akismet do you use? |
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| 04:23.55 | graham1 | latest |
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| 04:25.39 | graham1 | is it possible wordpress is running fine even though displaying those errors? |
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| 04:25.44 | Towzzer | yes |
| 04:25.55 | Towzzer | I ran wordpress sites and I saw that |
| 04:26.01 | Towzzer | I think there is a max memory setting |
| 04:26.02 | graham1 | cool |
| 04:26.04 | Towzzer | try phpinfo |
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| 04:26.39 | graham1 | yes, there is a max memory setting i have changed in default-constants.php. i changed it to 400M, because i saw the errors before when it was trying to go above 256M. I assumed it was because php was running out of mem |
| 04:27.22 | graham1 | is the max memory setting supposed to be a way of eliminating those errors? because ive changed max memory and its still bugging my ssh |
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| 04:29.19 | graham1 | on another note, how do i install the CURL PHP extension ? facebook appears to need it |
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| 04:35.44 | graham1 | ah nvm |
| 04:35.47 | graham1 | had to restart httpd |
| 04:36.36 | LtL | graham1: php5-curl pehaps |
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| 04:37.18 | LtL | perhaps* nm |
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| 04:50.40 | Towzzer | graham1, type this- |
| 04:51.16 | Towzzer | apt-get install php5-apc; echo 'stat = 0' >> /etc/php5/php.d/apc.ini;service apache2 restart |
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| 06:41.40 | diphtherial | ok, assuming that all i have is this ubuntu installation package and i need to somehow install this project on wheezy, how should i go about it...? |
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| 06:42.02 | diphtherial | i realize it's a horrible idea for a thousand different reasons, but i'm kind of up against a work-related wall :| |
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| 06:45.30 | Leoneof | hello, i'm using Wheezy xfce, how to change EST time to local time? |
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| 07:39.48 | `ingsoc | Does anyone have any experience with TuxOnIce? I'm using the linux-pf kernel and s2disk works just fine, but for some reason TOI won't work. |
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| 07:40.07 | `ingsoc | Any help would be greatly appreciated. |
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| 07:44.35 | `ingsoc | Anyone? |
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| 07:51.38 | `ingsoc | This is why Linux sucks! |
| 07:51.56 | diphtherial | no kidding :| |
| 07:51.58 | diphtherial | wish i could help |
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| 07:52.33 | diphtherial | then again, "debian" is a pretty broad topic; it seems unlikely that someone would know about that, specifically |
| 07:52.39 | diphtherial | (i don't know if that's much consolation) |
| 07:53.34 | `ingsoc | Lol, Linux doesn't suck. I just said it to get attention. |
| 07:53.48 | `ingsoc | I tried #tux-on-ice, but they're not very active there. |
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| 07:54.22 | jelly-home | `ingsoc: be patient, it's Sunday and people have better things to do than chat |
| 07:54.34 | diphtherial | true |
| 07:54.39 | diphtherial | treat it like a mailing list, i guess |
| 07:54.43 | `ingsoc | jelly-home: That's simply not acceptable! |
| 07:54.50 | `ingsoc | Brb. |
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| 08:01.48 | jelly-home | !customer |
| 08:01.48 | dpkg | Another happy customer leaves the building. |
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| 08:41.25 | SubjectOne | anybody here who knows what's the package name i'm looking for, when i want real transparancy for my term. console in Gnome ? |
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| 08:42.23 | atomfire | gnome-terminal |
| 08:42.43 | SubjectOne | yeh, gnome-terminal |
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| 08:43.26 | SubjectOne | i want to see-through also my active icons on the desktop, when moving the gnome-terminal,( i'm pimping my desk) |
| 08:43.31 | atomfire | that's the package name. |
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| 08:44.20 | SubjectOne | hmmm ... thanx anyway but it has only passiv transparancy, not real-transparancy |
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| 08:45.50 | atomfire | I don't know, but I use gnome-terminal in xfce, and I just go into Edit > Profile Preferences > Background, and select Transparent background |
| 08:46.22 | SubjectOne | can you see underlaying applications ? or just some background ? |
| 08:46.34 | atomfire | I can see everything behind the terminal |
| 08:46.56 | atomfire | if I run compiz with the cube, I can see into the backside of the terminal, but I don't use compiz anymore |
| 08:47.19 | SubjectOne | dito here, i'm oldschool |
| 08:47.26 | atomfire | and yes, I can watch my applications on the desktop behind my terminal. It may be different in gnome |
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| 08:48.18 | SubjectOne | gconftool-2 --set --type=bool /apps/metacity/general/compositing_manager true && gconftool-2 --set --type=bool /apps/metacity/general/compositor_effects true |
| 08:48.20 | SubjectOne | aha |
| 08:48.31 | atomfire | there ya go |
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| 08:55.42 | shtrb | could anyone with an an updated debian sid AMD64 get warninig for incorrect hash on /sbin/fsck from rkhunter ? |
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| 08:56.43 | shtrb | I got 28432af4d500052c541a26d104afaf05fd24b534 hash on it when the stored hash is 7f399e8374e702ba2069da1b6b4f7d5875ba7ff4 (by rkhunter) |
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| 09:00.27 | blubberdiblub | 28432af4d500052c541a26d104afaf05fd24b534 is the current sha1sum for /sbin/fsck for me as well |
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| 09:01.04 | shtrb | false positive then I assume (got an alarming emails) |
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| 09:02.38 | shtrb | blubberdiblub, Thank you |
| 09:04.36 | blubberdiblub | your rkhunter's stored hash is probably outdated |
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| 09:11.53 | shtrb | I assume it's propupd issue (but for that I need to be sure the system is clean) |
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| 09:22.35 | pats_Toms | hi, is here someone who uses apache2? |
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| 09:23.37 | pats_Toms | I can't get working htaccess. Seems like it's AllowOverride fault. I tried to change it to "AllowOverride All" and autoconfig |
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| 09:30.04 | Kunsi | pats_Toms: try putting junk in your .htaccess, to see if apache sees your htaccess file |
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| 09:30.21 | pats_Toms | it doesn't |
| 09:31.00 | pats_Toms | it was the first what i tried |
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| 09:31.17 | Kunsi | so … what exactly does your config look like, and where are your files located? |
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| 09:42.17 | DJ7 | whats going on |
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| 09:42.40 | pats_Toms | Kunsi, this is my vhost http://sprunge.us/BIBd?n |
| 09:43.00 | jaggz-- | when I install postgresql, do I have to manually create all the config files? (it has postgresql.conf.sample and stuff) |
| 09:43.02 | pats_Toms | .htaccess is located at /home/toms/wWW/domain.com/public |
| 09:43.30 | jaggz-- | tons of samples actually |
| 09:44.40 | jaggz-- | all the docs I find for debian+postgresql seem to allude to it running with defaults.. but mine won't run at all |
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| 09:48.40 | pats_Toms | will reboot |
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| 09:49.49 | Sicp | where is Debian 7? |
| 09:49.54 | Sicp | isn't it about due? |
| 09:50.14 | AlexLikeRock | how to check the sum hash of one package ? |
| 09:50.29 | Sicp | dude, google it |
| 09:50.38 | Sicp | https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HowToMD5SUM |
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| 09:58.09 | florin1996 | hi |
| 09:58.26 | florin1996 | i have problems with some animations from websites |
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| 09:58.35 | florin1996 | flash plugin is installed |
| 09:58.45 | pats_Toms | are you using chrome? |
| 09:58.53 | pats_Toms | *chromum? |
| 09:59.03 | florin1996 | same problem in chrome, iceweasel |
| 09:59.04 | pats_Toms | sorry about grammar - chromium |
| 09:59.19 | florin1996 | and epiphany |
| 09:59.35 | florin1996 | all browsers, the same problem |
| 09:59.58 | florin1996 | http://www.rock-am-ring.com/en/ |
| 10:00.01 | florin1996 | an example |
| 10:00.12 | florin1996 | when i click to start video, nothing happened |
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| 10:01.11 | florin1996 | a black page appear on the video |
| 10:01.14 | florin1996 | any idea's? |
| 10:01.21 | florin1996 | what i can do? |
| 10:01.35 | pats_Toms | I really can't help you florin1996, sry |
| 10:02.02 | pats_Toms | I had similar problem before some time, All I did was updated my flash player from repo and used firefox |
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| 10:02.48 | florin1996 | youtube works good |
| 10:02.57 | florin1996 | that mean flah player is installed |
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| 10:03.13 | pats_Toms | Yeah, for me was the same |
| 10:03.25 | pats_Toms | but then I tried to use soundcloud |
| 10:03.36 | pats_Toms | and there things went so wrong... |
| 10:03.47 | florin1996 | how i update flash from repo? |
| 10:04.27 | pats_Toms | http://wiki.debian.org/FlashPlayer |
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| 10:04.42 | florin1996 | for you works this? |
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| 10:05.12 | pats_Toms | as I remeber, yes |
| 10:05.18 | pats_Toms | but with firefox |
| 10:05.30 | florin1996 | firefox is the same with iceweasel |
| 10:05.47 | florin1996 | iceweasel is from mozilla project |
| 10:05.51 | pats_Toms | oh |
| 10:06.16 | apm1 | i tried suspending my laptop but it didn't work , i had to hard reset it by holding down the power button , where do i look to see if any damage has been done ? i mean what logs do i check ? |
| 10:06.38 | apm1 | ^running squeeze with bpo kernel |
| 10:07.04 | florin1996 | i heard about squeeze on iceweasel |
| 10:07.13 | florin1996 | probably this is the problem |
| 10:07.26 | florin1996 | i have an old version of browser |
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| 10:08.40 | florin1996 | any idea's? |
| 10:08.44 | florin1996 | what i cand do? |
| 10:09.00 | apm1 | install firefox directly from mozilla |
| 10:09.15 | apm1 | or better yet use google chrome it has flash built in |
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| 10:09.56 | florin1996 | i use chrome, the same problem |
| 10:10.32 | florin1996 | when i write "update-flashplugin-nonfree --install" in terminal,"command not found" |
| 10:10.38 | florin1996 | :| |
| 10:11.27 | apm1 | florin1996, heard of apt ? |
| 10:11.31 | florin1996 | no |
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| 10:12.01 | apm1 | you need to learn a lil abt packagemanagment before you try upgrading anything |
| 10:12.07 | apm1 | from console |
| 10:12.13 | apm1 | use synaptic for now |
| 10:13.11 | florin1996 | whic package need to install from synaptic? |
| 10:13.15 | apm1 | and honestly i don't think you are ready to change your repos to get an even newer package |
| 10:13.42 | apm1 | search for it |
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| 10:14.11 | florin1996 | ok |
| 10:14.12 | florin1996 | thanks |
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| 10:15.37 | apm1 | found my relevant logs |
| 10:17.29 | apm1 | btw i remeber some people talking abt ext4 support being buggy on squeeze , still true ? |
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| 10:17.56 | florin1996 | i have not found any :"flash" in synaptic |
| 10:18.27 | apm1 | thats causemaybe you don't have non-free repos enabled |
| 10:18.48 | florin1996 | how i enbale ? |
| 10:18.53 | florin1996 | enable* |
| 10:19.03 | apm1 | do you have sudo access ? |
| 10:19.37 | florin1996 | yes |
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| 10:19.43 | florin1996 | root terminal |
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| 10:20.04 | apm1 | run nano /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 10:20.30 | florin1996 | yes |
| 10:20.32 | florin1996 | i run it |
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| 10:21.07 | apm1 | do you see "non-free" at the end of any lines |
| 10:21.20 | florin1996 | no |
| 10:21.34 | apm1 | "contrib" there ? |
| 10:22.02 | florin1996 | no, "squeeze-updates main" |
| 10:22.05 | florin1996 | at all lines |
| 10:22.19 | florin1996 | at the end of all lines |
| 10:22.43 | EmleyMoor | Add "contrib non-free" after each main, save the file then update. |
| 10:22.49 | apm1 | add "contrib non-free" after "squeeze-updates main" in all lines |
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| 10:23.23 | apm1 | and after doing that press ctrl + o to save |
| 10:23.35 | apm1 | then press ctrl +x to exit nano |
| 10:23.52 | apm1 | then run "apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade" |
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| 10:24.42 | atomfire | you don't need to run dist-upgrade just to enable flash |
| 10:24.53 | atomfire | just sudo apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree |
| 10:25.00 | atomfire | after adding the non-free repos |
| 10:25.04 | apm1 | its advicable to do a dist-upgrade anyway |
| 10:25.10 | atomfire | why is that? |
| 10:25.24 | apm1 | keeps the packages in sync imho |
| 10:25.31 | apm1 | keeps things updated |
| 10:26.21 | atomfire | ok :) |
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| 10:27.07 | jelly-home | apm1: and might break stuff unrelated to user's current issue |
| 10:27.15 | apm1 | idts |
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| 10:27.46 | apm1 | actually dist-upgrade never hurt me and i can't really imagine what can go wrong |
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| 10:28.14 | apm1 | he isn't changing the repos to backports or testing or sid or something |
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| 10:28.34 | apm1 | he is just adding contrib and non-free for squeeze |
| 10:28.44 | florin1996 | flash plugin installation it works |
| 10:28.49 | florin1996 | but nothing changed |
| 10:29.14 | apm1 | i really am not sure what your problem is ? |
| 10:29.22 | jelly-home | florin1996: did you quit and start the browser anew? |
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| 10:29.31 | EmleyMoor | "it works but nothing changed" - contradiction in terms? |
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| 10:29.51 | florin1996 | installation works |
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| 10:30.06 | florin1996 | animation view do not work |
| 10:30.08 | apm1 | EmleyMoor, he probably doesn't know english well it seems |
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| 10:30.12 | jelly-home | EmleyMoor: "the installation works; nothing changed wrt the flash functionality still missing in the browser" |
| 10:30.56 | apm1 | i think he may have the flash plugin disabled in his browser ? |
| 10:31.22 | florin1996 | it works, after a browser restart! |
| 10:31.32 | apm1 | great |
| 10:31.35 | florin1996 | thank you very very very much! :) |
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| 10:31.58 | florin1996 | i am newbie at debian, what tutorial is recommended to read? |
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| 10:32.15 | jelly-home | !handbook |
| 10:32.15 | dpkg | The Debian Administrator's Handbook is at http://debian-handbook.info/ and can be browsed, bought and downloaded. It can also can be installed from the debian-handbook package (only in wheezy and sid). Also ask me about <books> <docs>. |
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| 10:33.01 | apm1 | the debian-refrence package in squeeze ain't bad either |
| 10:33.14 | florin1996 | ok, thanks |
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| 10:41.55 | florin1996 | 2 weeks ago i had ubuntu. I can't find differences betwen ubuntu and debian, but debian runs faster |
| 10:42.02 | florin1996 | why ubuntu is more popular? |
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| 11:04.00 | basic6 | so there's a debian kbsd wheezy, i installed nfs-kerne-server but why is there no exportfs program? |
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| 11:27.00 | gadago | very quiet |
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| 11:41.29 | teclo- | Hi there, on some machine /var is 72% full, but every program attempting to write to var gets "No space left on device"... any idea ? |
| 11:43.01 | babilen | teclo-: How much space has been reserved for root? Can root write? |
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| 11:43.38 | teclo- | babilen: ah, as root I also get "no space left on device" even if I try to create an empty file with "touch foo" |
| 11:44.31 | babilen | ack, could you paste some more information? tune2fs and other output would probably come in handy (mount, ...) -- I'll be back in a little while (it was simply the first thing I thought about and wanted to mention it) |
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| 11:46.00 | Leoneof | hello, i can't install driver for printer Canon LBP2900, it need gs-est package, i cannot find that package! |
| 11:46.06 | teclo- | babilen: well I think I'm gonna reboot in single-user-mode (boot single in GRUB ???) and then /var will not be mounted, so I can do fsck and then mount and see what's wrong.... |
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| 11:46.35 | KikaRz | Hello |
| 11:46.40 | KikaRz | What Debian i should use for my free VPS? |
| 11:46.49 | KikaRz | 5.0 (Lenny) or 6.0 (Squeeze) |
| 11:46.59 | ksuhku | 6 |
| 11:47.05 | KikaRz | I dislike it a bit |
| 11:47.11 | KikaRz | but there are only 4 options |
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| 11:47.25 | KikaRz | CentOs 5 and 6 and Debian 5 and 6 |
| 11:47.26 | KikaRz | '-' |
| 11:47.30 | ksuhku | lenny is eold |
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| 11:47.57 | Leoneof | gs-esp* |
| 11:48.06 | ksuhku | dodgy vps guys offering it! |
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| 11:55.31 | Leoneof | ok, fixed, just follow this http://us.generation-nt.com/answer/bug-618533-gs-esp-has-disappeared-help-202561922.html |
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| 12:02.29 | babilen | KikaRz: Lenny hasn't been supported for quite a while. Please do not recommend it. |
| 12:02.39 | jmd | dist-upgrade tells me I don't have enough space on /var |
| 12:02.47 | jmd | how can I resize it? |
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| 12:03.32 | BenNZ | jmd: why not clear up some space on it? |
| 12:03.55 | homes | jmd: are you using LVM? |
| 12:03.59 | jmd | BenNZ, Presumably it'll just download all the packages again and tell me the same thing. |
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| 12:04.14 | jmd | That would just waste my time and bandwidth wouldn't it? |
| 12:04.14 | BenNZ | jmd: how big did you make /var ? |
| 12:04.30 | jmd | /dev/mapper/marilyn-var |
| 12:04.30 | jmd | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:04.59 | homes | what does vgs say |
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| 12:05.14 | jmd | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:05.14 | jmd | <PROTECTED> |
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| 12:06.10 | homes | could delete/shrink another LV |
| 12:06.51 | jmd | homes, Yes, I have an enormous /home which I don't need, since /home is nfs mounted. |
| 12:07.05 | jmd | How do I delete /home and use the space for /var |
| 12:07.19 | homes | umount it, remove it from fstab |
| 12:07.31 | jmd | and ... ? |
| 12:07.37 | homes | lvremove...lvextend...resize2fs [or whatever] |
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| 12:09.34 | homes | and try not to make any mistakes otherwise you'll lose your install. night :) |
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| 12:10.29 | jmd | resize2fs invariably gives me information which is patently false and/or self contradictory. |
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| 12:11.29 | blubberdiblub | for shrinking, you'd have to shrink the filesystem _first_, before shrinking the logical volume |
| 12:11.47 | blubberdiblub | and shrinking doesn't work while the filesystem is still mounted |
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| 12:12.53 | jmd | The containing partition (or device) is only 732160 (4k) blocks. |
| 12:12.53 | jmd | You requested a new size of 28825920 blocks. |
| 12:13.02 | jmd | That isn't shrinking. |
| 12:13.19 | jmd | Why does it refuse to allow me to resize it? |
| 12:14.07 | blubberdiblub | why do you request a size that's bigger than the old one? |
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| 12:16.18 | jmd | blubberdiblub, Well, because I need more space. |
| 12:16.40 | blubberdiblub | jmd, weren't we talking about shrinking your /home ? |
| 12:16.57 | jmd | ... and about growing /var |
| 12:17.33 | jmd | I have removed /home from the volume, since it was unused. |
| 12:17.34 | blubberdiblub | jmd, well, you have to be more specific about what you are currently doing and what is failing |
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| 12:18.07 | blubberdiblub | jmd, then lvextend the volume where /var resides and then resize2fs |
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| 12:19.32 | blubberdiblub | enlarging can be done with the filesystem online. i.e. without umounting it |
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| 12:20.03 | jmd | what does lvextend expect for its Physical Volume ? The man page does not explain that term. |
| 12:20.31 | wdouglass | hi all; i'm trying to get the oss radeon driver working. I've got a AMD A10 APU with a built in radeon HD 7660. X loads, but falls back to vesa. how do i enable KMS with the debian-packaged radeon driver? |
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| 12:20.59 | blubberdiblub | jmd, you give the vg name and lv name to it as arguments. like so: lvextend -L newsize yourvgname/yourlvname |
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| 12:21.38 | wdouglass | http://paste.debian.net/233105/ |
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| 12:22.09 | yacc | Btw, what's the easiest way to create a bootable USB installation media for debian? |
| 12:22.41 | wdouglass | yacc: you can dd the iso to the usb device |
| 12:22.48 | wdouglass | yacc: they're hybrid so that works |
| 12:22.51 | jmd | blubberdiblub, Interesting. The man page gives a totally different usage. |
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| 12:23.01 | jmd | What are the units to -L ? |
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| 12:23.35 | blubberdiblub | jmd, no, it gives the same usage. LogicalVolumePath is vgname/lvname |
| 12:23.47 | yacc | wdouglass, whole USB stick device, or do I need partition table? |
| 12:24.01 | jmd | And how do I find out my vgname/lvname ? |
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| 12:24.05 | blubberdiblub | jmd, G, M, etc.. it's in the manpage. all the usual units work |
| 12:24.21 | wdouglass | yacc: whole device. |
| 12:24.26 | blubberdiblub | jmd, lvs |
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| 12:24.41 | wdouglass | so 'dd if=debian.iso of=/dev/sdX' |
| 12:24.45 | yacc | blubberdiblub, usually it also takes /dev/VGname/LVname, which works nicely with tab completion. |
| 12:24.52 | blubberdiblub | jmd, first column is lv name, second column is vg name |
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| 12:25.35 | blubberdiblub | yacc, that only works if the /dev/vgname/ dir actually exists (there are some occasions where it might not). but vgname/lvname should always work |
| 12:26.47 | jmd | blubberdiblub, OK thanks. That seems to work now. |
| 12:26.57 | yacc | blubberdiblub, correct ;) |
| 12:27.07 | jmd | I'll have to read up on this lvm stuff. Where is a good tutorial? |
| 12:27.35 | yacc | jmd, read the man pages, ask questions on #lvm? |
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| 12:28.03 | jmd | man pages are good for reference. Useless for getting the basic concepts. |
| 12:28.38 | jmd | But I'll try #lvm thanks. |
| 12:30.19 | yacc | jmd: The basic concepts are easy enough, you've got PV (physical volumes), that are part of VG (volume group), which contains LV (logical volume), and you can add/remove all of these at runtime, resize, move around and so on. |
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| 12:31.20 | yacc | jmd: the basic implementation concept nowadays is that lvm uses a the devicemapper to basically assemble block devices from underlying bits and pieces of block devices, ... |
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| 12:31.38 | yacc | jmd: end of lvm basic concepts tutorial. |
| 12:32.13 | blueCmd | I have a new shiny architecture which I just now ported eglibc to. How do I bootstrap Debian for this arch? I read about debootstrap and multistrap, but they seem to use binary packages - no binary deb has been created yet. I need to build everything from source. |
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| 12:33.31 | babilen | blueCmd: Bootstrapping Debian has just been discussed at length in debian-devel -- You might want to read that thread and/or ask in #debian-devel on irc.oftc.net |
| 12:33.51 | blueCmd | babilen: sorry, I thought i was in -devel actually |
| 12:33.54 | blueCmd | babilen: will do! |
| 12:34.19 | blueCmd | ah, I need to be invited to that channel apparently |
| 12:34.29 | blueCmd | sounds wierd |
| 12:34.41 | babilen | blueCmd: The channel is (like all other official Debian channels) on irc.oftc.net and not on freenode |
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| 12:35.04 | blueCmd | babilen: ah, my bad. thanks yet again |
| 12:35.11 | babilen | np, see you there |
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| 12:36.56 | wdouglass | so it seems like kms doesn't seem to be working at all...the console never goes hi-res, and the radeon driver won't load. Does anybody have any idea how to troubleshoot this? |
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| 12:38.23 | babilen | wdouglass: You /do/ have the firmware (and libgl package) installed as instructed in "/msg dpkg radeon" don't you? |
| 12:38.53 | wdouglass | yes i do |
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| 12:39.42 | wdouglass | babilen: i'm trying to revert to the open source driver, because it seems like fglrx just isn't stable |
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| 12:40.53 | babilen | wdouglass: And you removed /every single trace/ of fglrx ? Didn't you use the ati installer or was that someone else? |
| 12:41.20 | wdouglass | i did, but i actually wiped and reinstalled using just debian packages since then. |
| 12:41.36 | wdouglass | babilen: sorry, forgot to tag you, see above |
| 12:41.38 | babilen | And you purged everything fglrx? |
| 12:41.44 | wdouglass | yes |
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| 12:41.58 | babilen | Hmm, not sure -- this was wheezy, wasn't it? |
| 12:42.01 | wdouglass | babilen: x loads, but falls back to vesa |
| 12:42.04 | wdouglass | babilen: yup |
| 12:42.52 | babilen | wdouglass: A closer look at /var/log/Xorg.0.log might be interesting. But then it sounds as if you still have some form of blacklist or problems loading the radeon driver. |
| 12:43.16 | wdouglass | babilen: http://paste.debian.net/233105/ |
| 12:43.22 | babilen | wdouglass: Anything about radeon/fglrx in /etc/mod* ? Which modules are loaded? |
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| 12:44.43 | wdouglass | babilen: the radeon one isn't... :) `grep 'fglrx' /etc/modprobe.d/*` returns no results |
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| 12:45.12 | wdouglass | wait, for some reason radeonfb is in fbdev-blacklist |
| 12:45.19 | wdouglass | babilen: should i remove that? |
| 12:45.20 | babilen | yay! |
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| 12:45.26 | babilen | absolutely |
| 12:45.55 | babilen | err, no .. sorry I think you need that |
| 12:46.10 | wdouglass | babilen: hmm...bummer |
| 12:46.23 | babilen | wdouglass: What about /etc/modprobe.d/radeon-kms.conf ? |
| 12:46.39 | wdouglass | babilen: |
| 12:46.43 | babilen | hmm? |
| 12:46.51 | wdouglass | babilen: it says `options radeon modeset=1` |
| 12:46.57 | wdouglass | sorry, pressed enter too fast |
| 12:47.30 | babilen | wdouglass: That's fine. Anything interesting in "dmesg|grep radeon" or "lsmod" ? |
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| 12:47.47 | wdouglass | babilen: nothing on both counts |
| 12:48.07 | wdouglass | babilen: i can modprobe radeon, and it loads, but doesn't seem to have any effect on anything |
| 12:48.29 | babilen | "dmesg|grep drm" ? ... grep firmware? What about "dpkg -l '*fglrx*'" ? |
| 12:49.13 | babilen | Also paste lsmod output please. |
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| 12:50.17 | wdouglass | firmware returns : [ 6.102758] r8169 0000:01:00.0: firmware: agent loaded rtl_nic/rtl8168e-3.fw into memory |
| 12:50.17 | wdouglass | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:50.23 | wdouglass | babilen: but that's the network card |
| 12:50.26 | babilen | wdouglass: and "dpkg -l '*libdrm*'" and "dpkg -l '*radeon*'" :) |
| 12:50.51 | wdouglass | babilen: here's my lsmod http://paste.debian.net/233111/ |
| 12:51.41 | wdouglass | hmm...looks like there's some fglrx stuff still unpurged. it's just control and atieventsd...let me purge that, brb |
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| 12:53.46 | babilen | wdouglass: Please paste the output of all the commands I mentioned (starting with the grep for radeon, ...), over the "dmesg|grep drm" to "dpkg -l '*radeon*'" to ... you get the idea. |
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| 12:54.39 | babilen | wdouglass: Also "dpkg -l 'glx-alternative*'" |
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| 12:55.35 | wdouglass | babilen: sure, i'll start building that paste now |
| 12:56.01 | babilen | Please reboot after purging whatever you found that was fglrx related |
| 12:56.03 | babilen | :) |
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| 12:59.56 | wdouglass | babilen: ok i'll post the paste then reboot |
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| 13:02.22 | babilen | wdouglass: Hmm, it /might/ make sense to paste /after/ the reboot as the information would then reflect the current state :) |
| 13:02.32 | icarus | Hi, would anyone know offhand a good place to get a prebuild deb/repo for wine1.5.23 for testing/wheezy? |
| 13:02.35 | wdouglass | babilen: haha ok, will do. brb |
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| 13:06.08 | Anuska | hi |
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| 13:07.41 | wdouglass | babilen: http://paste.debian.net/233116/ |
| 13:07.57 | wdouglass | babilen: i included the script i used to generate it at the top |
| 13:08.06 | babilen | sure |
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| 13:08.31 | Ratio_ | So, I'm installing Debian now, and it seems to detect my ethernet connection |
| 13:08.36 | wdouglass | still no dice btw ... it fell back when X loaded |
| 13:08.37 | Ratio_ | Does it matter what hostname I use? |
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| 13:09.30 | jmd | Ratio_, Well some hostnames are best avoided. |
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| 13:09.42 | Ratio_ | Is the default "debian" okay? |
| 13:09.49 | jmd | it's ok |
| 13:09.51 | babilen | wdouglass: Just to verify: "dmesg|grep drm" does not come up with /anything/ ? |
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| 13:09.55 | Ratio_ | Alright. |
| 13:09.55 | jmd | (but boring) |
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| 13:10.02 | wdouglass | babilen: correct |
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| 13:10.53 | jmd | obviously if you intend to connect the machine to a network. You need to ensure that there is no other machine with that name. |
| 13:11.23 | babilen | ,v libdrm-nouveau1 |
| 13:11.24 | judd | Package: libdrm-nouveau1 on i386 -- squeeze: 2.4.21-1~squeeze3 |
| 13:11.24 | Ratio_ | Alright. |
| 13:11.32 | Ratio_ | So, how do I figure out my host name? |
| 13:11.37 | babilen | wdouglass: Was that a squeeze system once? |
| 13:11.39 | Ratio_ | Wait, no. |
| 13:11.41 | Anuska | i install gnome 2 in debian squeeze is oki? |
| 13:11.43 | Ratio_ | I mean my domain name. |
| 13:11.46 | Ratio_ | *domain... something. |
| 13:11.49 | Anuska | i use this tasksel install gnome-desktop --new-install |
| 13:11.49 | babilen | wdouglass: What does "aptitude search ~c" give you? |
| 13:12.08 | wdouglass | babilen: for like a minute...i install squeeze then immediatly did a dist-upgrade to wheezy |
| 13:12.10 | Ratio_ | Yes, domain name. |
| 13:12.55 | babilen | wdouglass: Why didn't you install wheezy directly? (using the beta4 installer from http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ or with firmware from http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/wheezy_di_beta4/) ? |
| 13:13.13 | babilen | wdouglass: Either way: You are missing glx-alternatives-mesa and probably a few other packages. |
| 13:13.24 | wdouglass | babilen: i didn't know i could do that! should i just bail and install from there? |
| 13:13.35 | wdouglass | babilen: it's not a big deal, i just installed this system yesterday |
| 13:13.37 | jmd | Ratio_, You choose it yourself. |
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| 13:13.58 | wdouglass | babilen: http://paste.debian.net/233118/ |
| 13:13.58 | jmd | (or ask your network administrator) |
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| 13:14.31 | Ratio_ | jmd: I also have other computers on my home network. Does this matter? |
| 13:14.43 | Ratio_ | We don't really have a network administrator at home. |
| 13:14.48 | jmd | And what domain name do they have? |
| 13:14.48 | Ratio_ | Ha. |
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| 13:15.09 | Ratio_ | Give me a second to figure out the domain name of the computer I am on right now... |
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| 13:15.51 | babilen | wdouglass: Ok, you need to purge all of those (aptitude purge ~c), then I would do the same for obsolete packages (aptitude search ~o) ... Please make sure to install glx-alternatives-mesa is installed. Alse (re)install libgl1-mesa-dri and libgl1-mesa-glx and libglapi-mesa and xserver-xorg-video-radeon |
| 13:15.53 | jmd | cat /etc/resolv.conf |
| 13:16.17 | babilen | wdouglass: You could, naturally, install wheezy using the beta4 installer (use the one with firmware as you need that), but that strikes me as a bit drastic. |
| 13:16.47 | Slydder | hey all. I just finished up a package and would like to ask somebody to take a look at it and make sure that I have not made any world ending errors in the build. thanks. http://packages.itadmins.net/debian/pool/main/h/hawk/hawk_0.5.2-0itadmins3.dsc |
| 13:16.48 | Ratio_ | I am on a Windows computer, sorry. |
| 13:16.52 | Ratio_ | Installing Debian on my laptop. |
| 13:17.44 | abrotman | again? |
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| 13:17.51 | Ratio_ | Yes. |
| 13:17.58 | Ratio_ | Properly, this time... |
| 13:18.05 | babilen | Ratio_: You can name your computer whatever you like (see http://namingschemes.com/ if you can't think of anything yourself) -- A suitable domain name for your case is probably something like .local |
| 13:18.15 | jmd | apt-get install --properly |
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| 13:18.20 | babilen | heh |
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| 13:18.45 | yeats | Ratio_: if you leave domain blank, it will work fine |
| 13:19.03 | jmd | I use .intra for domains which are not visible from the outside world. |
| 13:19.06 | yeats | (assuming you don't actually use a domain name at your home - I don't) |
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| 13:19.56 | Ratio_ | I guess I'll just use .local then. |
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| 13:20.50 | jmd | The questions in the installer are bit doof, because it is quite feasible that a computer might be a node in several networks. |
| 13:21.02 | Ratio_ | Please don't mind me asking all kinds of questions that are probably kind of insipid, but I really don't want to do something wrong again. |
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| 13:21.10 | jmd | I don't understand why that question is even there. |
| 13:21.41 | ruif13 | hello, i have set in partition disks the swap space but when i made free in shell the swap have 0 |
| 13:21.41 | abrotman | jmd: but that's not the norm |
| 13:21.48 | Ratio_ | Should I set a root password? I am kind of used to using sudo for things. What are the benefits of a separate root account for administrative work? |
| 13:21.48 | ruif13 | anyone helps? |
| 13:21.55 | abrotman | ruif13: show us with pastebin |
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| 13:22.08 | abrotman | Ratio_: that's up to you .. do it however you'd like |
| 13:22.10 | jmd | abrotman, It is certainly not abnormal. |
| 13:22.10 | babilen | Ratio_: Please do. You can install sudo easily later and configure it to your liking. |
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| 13:22.30 | abrotman | jmd: i didn't say it was abnormal, but it's more likely than not |
| 13:22.33 | Ratio_ | Can I change the root password later? |
| 13:22.41 | ruif13 | abrotman http://pastebin.com/uAFav6an |
| 13:22.43 | babilen | dpkg: tell Ratio_ -about sudoers |
| 13:22.51 | babilen | Ratio_: And install the "sudo" package :) |
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| 13:23.06 | babilen | Ratio_: You can also change the root password later (run "passwd" as root) |
| 13:23.08 | Ratio_ | sudo apt-get install sudo? |
| 13:23.13 | babilen | no |
| 13:23.18 | Ratio_ | Damn. |
| 13:23.18 | ksuhku | :) |
| 13:23.24 | abrotman | isn't all this covered in the install guide? |
| 13:23.27 | Ratio_ | Wait no, that doesn't work. |
| 13:23.29 | jmd | abrotman, Well that may be true. But the point is, it is a configuration detail. Why demand that the user knows that at install time. |
| 13:23.31 | abrotman | ruif13: that's 'used' |
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| 13:23.45 | ruif13 | yes |
| 13:23.45 | Anuska | hi, i install gnome with: tasksel install gnome-desktop --new-install , how i run now? i need to reboot the linux? |
| 13:23.55 | ruif13 | okok |
| 13:23.58 | abrotman | ruif13: I'm confused .. what's the problem? |
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| 13:24.03 | abrotman | Anuska: sure |
| 13:24.05 | babilen | Ratio_: You can't use sudo if you don't have it installed. You can either log in as root or become root with "su" + root password. Then run "apt-get install sudo ; adduser YOUR_USERNAME sudo" and you are set. |
| 13:24.09 | jmd | Anuska, No |
| 13:24.15 | ruif13 | no problem :D my mistake |
| 13:24.16 | ruif13 | :D |
| 13:24.20 | abrotman | jmd: it'll be less confusing ... |
| 13:24.45 | Anuska | abrotman, yes? jmd, no? !:!?!??! |
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| 13:24.59 | abrotman | Anuska: did you install GDM ? |
| 13:25.17 | Anuska | i just type that command |
| 13:25.18 | Anuska | tasksel install gnome-desktop --new-install |
| 13:25.41 | jmd | Anuska, About the only thing you need to reboot for after installing, is the kernel itself. |
| 13:25.59 | jmd | (and perhaps libc) |
| 13:26.07 | Anuska | thanks |
| 13:26.11 | ksuhku | there is the easy path and then there is the correct path |
| 13:26.23 | abrotman | Anuska: easy way is to reboot |
| 13:26.39 | Anuska | gdm3 or gdm? |
| 13:26.47 | Anuska | or display |
| 13:26.52 | Anuska | for& |
| 13:26.52 | abrotman | either is fine |
| 13:27.05 | babilen | Anuska: go for gdm3 unless you don't want to |
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| 13:28.01 | Anuska | i select gdm3?? |
| 13:28.06 | jmd | /etc/init.d/gdm3 restart |
| 13:28.17 | abrotman | it's not installed yet |
| 13:28.26 | Anuska | thanks |
| 13:28.32 | Anuska | processing .. |
| 13:28.59 | jmd | There is more than one way to kill a cat. |
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| 13:29.17 | abrotman | plenty of ways .. |
| 13:30.01 | Ratio_ | Partman is actually quite intuitive in operating, it would appear. |
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| 13:31.18 | babilen | wdouglass: ping |
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| 13:31.44 | wdouglass | babilen: i uninstalled all those obselete packages, i'm preparing installation media in case of a complete disaster |
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| 13:31.55 | wdouglass | babilen: thanks for the ping though! |
| 13:32.44 | babilen | wdouglass: just curious, rock on! :) |
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| 13:34.55 | Ratio_ | babilen: A primary petition is for an OS, logical for things like SWAP, right? |
| 13:35.19 | Ratio_ | I have allocated 54 GB of free space and am planning to use 50 for the OS and 4 for the SWAP |
| 13:35.42 | Ratio_ | Have already set size 50 for one of them, but it is asking me whether I should use primary or logical. |
| 13:35.45 | jmd | In view of how long the FAI project has been going, it is a real shame that it is still not possible to reliably automate an debian install. |
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| 13:36.26 | abrotman | jmd: preseeding? fai? dphys? kickstart? |
| 13:36.31 | Gullip | jmd: preseeding works fine for me. |
| 13:36.37 | abrotman | you can automate an install |
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| 13:36.59 | apm1 | Ratio_, extend two logical partitions out of one primary partition |
| 13:37.22 | apm1 | and these 2 extended should be 50gb and 4 gb respectively |
| 13:37.50 | Ratio_ | So right now create a 54 GB primary petition, alright. |
| 13:37.52 | Ratio_ | Be right back. |
| 13:39.05 | Ratio_ | What filesystem do I use for the primary partition, the 50 GB logical partition, and the 4 GB logical partition? |
| 13:39.33 | babilen | Ratio_: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disk_partitioning#PC_partition_types |
| 13:39.52 | apm1 | Ratio_, format the 50gb as ext4 and mount point should be "/" |
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| 13:40.09 | babilen | Ratio_: Do you want to keep Windows on there? Which partitions do you have right now? |
| 13:40.15 | apm1 | and 4 gb should be formated as "linux swap" and flag it as "swap" |
| 13:40.33 | apm1 | babilen, good to see you :) |
| 13:40.37 | babilen | Ratio_: But I wouldn't use a logical only for swap :) |
| 13:40.38 | Ratio_ | Right now I have two petitions that have something to do with Windows, and I want to keep Windows. |
| 13:40.52 | ksuhku | Ratio_, petition means something entirely different! |
| 13:40.57 | apm1 | petitions ? |
| 13:40.58 | Ratio_ | Wait, so what am I supposed to do? Start with two logical petitions or extend two from one primary one? |
| 13:40.59 | fnmueller | petition ftw! |
| 13:40.59 | babilen | Ratio_: Are they both primary partitions? (i.e. /dev/sda1 and /dev/sda2 ?) |
| 13:41.00 | Ratio_ | *partition |
| 13:41.03 | ksuhku | :) |
| 13:41.10 | Ratio_ | Let me check. |
| 13:41.29 | ksuhku | makes a petition Ratio checks the meaning of the word |
| 13:42.05 | Ratio_ | Yes, both primary. |
| 13:42.06 | babilen | Ratio_: I am inquiring about the Windows ones ... Either way: I would leave the Windows ones as they are and then create two logical ones, (one larger for Debian's root and a smaller for swap) |
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| 13:42.27 | apm1 | babilen, any disadvantages if one uses a logical partition for swap ? |
| 13:42.33 | Ratio_ | Right, so 50 GB and 4 GB. |
| 13:42.53 | Ratio_ | The 4 GB one is formatted as linux swap and flagged as swap. |
| 13:42.58 | Ratio_ | What about the 50 GB one? |
| 13:43.08 | apm1 | ext4 and flagged as "/" |
| 13:43.16 | babilen | apm1: No, logical partitions are simply due to limitations of MBR |
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| 13:43.49 | babilen | Ratio_: So leave windows partitions as they are, then create an extended with two logical ones. Use the two logical ones for Debian's / and swap. done. |
| 13:43.50 | apm1 | babilen, that much i figured , thought there was something else that was bad |
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| 13:44.27 | apm1 | he is basically asking which filesystem he should use on the 50gb "/" |
| 13:44.33 | apm1 | i suggest ext4 |
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| 13:45.06 | Ratio_ | How do I create an extended partition? |
| 13:45.17 | wdouglass | babilen: so i unstalled those packages, install glx-alternative-mesa and rebooted. still no kms :( |
| 13:45.19 | Ratio_ | babilen: How do I create an extended partition? |
| 13:45.41 | yacc | Ratio_, well, that depends on your partitioning program? |
| 13:45.54 | apm1 | i think he is in the installer ? |
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| 13:45.58 | Ratio_ | I'm using partman from within the installer. |
| 13:46.37 | babilen | apm1: It is just that having four partitions in total (2 windows primary ones and 1 primary for debian + one logical only for swap) |
| 13:46.45 | wdouglass | babilen: i think my hardware is newer then my kernel version...maybe i should try building an upstream kernel... |
| 13:46.50 | yacc | No idea then, my system is currently preparing for the Debian install, not yet there? |
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| 13:47.07 | apm1 | babilen, ok , i get it now :) |
| 13:47.14 | Ratio_ | I should have prepartitioned, huh... |
| 13:47.53 | lord_rob | a special partition for /home is better IMHO |
| 13:48.21 | apm1 | not for new users with 2 primary windows partitions already |
| 13:48.31 | apm1 | too much partitions can lead to lunacy |
| 13:48.49 | apm1 | wait insanity i meant |
| 13:48.54 | apm1 | not lunacy |
| 13:48.57 | wdouglass | apm1: i tend to put all my linux volumes in lvm...it's so flexible! |
| 13:49.00 | lord_rob | if you reinstall your system, your data are kept at least |
| 13:49.29 | apm1 | wdouglass, agreed but i don't think he can yet handle LVM |
| 13:49.55 | wdouglass | apm1: fair enough |
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| 13:50.27 | Ratio_ | So what I need to do is create a 54 GB extended partition with two logical partitions, one 50 GB '/' with filesystem 'ext4' and an other 4 GB 'linux swap' with filesystem 'swap'. |
| 13:50.28 | lord_rob | imagine he switches his distro, his /home doesn't have to be scratched |
| 13:50.31 | Ratio_ | Is this accurate? |
| 13:50.59 | apm1 | Ratio_, no you need to create a 54gb primary partition |
| 13:51.18 | apm1 | and then extend it into 2 logical partitions of 50gb and 4gb |
| 13:51.27 | Ratio_ | Oh, now I get it. Alright. |
| 13:51.30 | Ratio_ | Be right back. |
| 13:51.37 | Ratio_ | Sorry, but I have never worked with partitioning before. |
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| 13:52.42 | Ratio_ | Does it matter with which filesystem I format this partition or how I flag it? |
| 13:52.44 | epsilon | why dont you just use what debian installer suggests? |
| 13:52.58 | apm1 | Ratio_, yes , hugely |
| 13:53.04 | Ratio_ | The Debian installer seems to suggest that I use my entire disk. |
| 13:53.13 | Ratio_ | I mean, the 54 GB primary partition. |
| 13:53.34 | epsilon | first time installing linux/debian? |
| 13:53.55 | Ratio_ | I have installed Ubuntu before, second time installing Debian. First time ended in a total disaster as I messed pretty much everything up. |
| 13:54.13 | epsilon | thats the way to learn debian |
| 13:54.23 | apm1 | isn't there a windows install utility on squeeze discs ? |
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| 13:54.47 | apm1 | iirc there is some program you can execute while running windows |
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| 13:54.55 | Ratio_ | Well damn, too late for that now. |
| 13:55.02 | lord_rob | ;) |
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| 13:55.45 | apm1 | Ratio_, are you sure you have created a 54gb primary partition ? |
| 13:55.57 | lord_rob | my first attempt to install debian, I reformated three or four times before getting a usable system :) |
| 13:56.05 | Ratio_ | Well, it is now asking me how I want to format this 54 GB primary partition, among other things. |
| 13:56.15 | Ratio_ | I get a whole list of settings. |
| 13:56.33 | apm1 | Ratio_, choose manual partitioning |
| 13:56.43 | Ratio_ | I already did that. |
| 13:57.00 | Ratio_ | Then I resized one of my Windows partitions to be 54 GB smaller, creating 54 GB unallocated space. |
| 13:57.22 | apm1 | then why did you not choose install on largest freespace ? |
| 13:57.28 | Ratio_ | I am now trying to create a 54 GB primary partition where I then would extend two logical partitions from, for '/' and 'linux swap'/ |
| 13:57.33 | Ratio_ | Wait, wait |
| 13:57.44 | Ratio_ | I did not know of that shortcut. |
| 13:57.53 | Ratio_ | Doing that, then... |
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| 13:58.22 | file-exists-p | Hi people. Is there a way to install Debian on a Raspberry PI "normaly"? Like I have been doing on PCs for 15 years? Just download a net installer and do things? |
| 13:58.58 | abrotman | file-exists-p: probably a nice wiki page about it |
| 13:59.47 | abrotman | !tell file-exists-p about raspberry |
| 14:00.13 | file-exists-p | ok, thanks |
| 14:00.15 | Ratio_ | Alright, it is installing now. |
| 14:00.20 | Ratio_ | I think I am past the hardest stages now. |
| 14:00.25 | Ratio_ | Thanks a lot for your help, everyone. |
| 14:00.33 | lord_rob | file-exists-p: http://www.raspbian.org/ |
| 14:00.34 | apm1 | Ratio_, congratulations and welcome to Debian :) |
| 14:01.11 | apm1 | Ratio_, what kinda image are you installing with ? DVD ? |
| 14:01.49 | Ratio_ | DVD, yes. |
| 14:01.50 | Ratio_ | Netinstall. |
| 14:01.58 | Ratio_ | Why? |
| 14:02.17 | apm1 | well netinstall is different from a DVD image |
| 14:02.24 | Ratio_ | Oh, right. |
| 14:02.33 | Ratio_ | At any rate, I burned some netinstall thing on it. |
| 14:02.36 | Ratio_ | "Some netinstall thing." |
| 14:02.44 | apm1 | how big in mbs ? |
| 14:02.51 | Ratio_ | Let me check. |
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| 14:03.52 | Ratio_ | http://www.debian.org/distrib/netinst |
| 14:03.55 | Ratio_ | Small CD |
| 14:04.00 | Ratio_ | amd64 |
| 14:04.08 | apm1 | then you'll need to choose your mirrors |
| 14:04.09 | Ratio_ | Don't have the .iso on my comp right now. |
| 14:04.21 | Ratio_ | Well, I guess I should go check on it, then. |
| 14:04.25 | Ratio_ | Be right back. |
| 14:04.31 | abrotman | !enter |
| 14:04.31 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel. |
| 14:05.22 | Ratio_ | Sorry! |
| 14:05.47 | Ratio_ | Will refrain from doing that now. At any rate, it is doing the base install right now. Should it have asked for it earlier? |
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| 14:06.06 | apm1 | Ratio_, let it do the base install |
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| 14:06.55 | file-exists-p | ... I have been passing a .zip instead of a .img to qemu for like ... 1h ... trying to understand what does not work. *sigh* |
| 14:06.59 | apm1 | Ratio_, then it'll ask you to configure apt (basically selecting mirrors to retrive the packages from) |
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| 14:07.25 | babilen | Ratio_: Huh? I thought you are installing wheezy (as discussed earlier) using the image from http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/wheezy_di_beta4/ ? |
| 14:07.51 | Ratio_ | Wait a second |
| 14:07.58 | Ratio_ | Or was it the first time I used netinstall? |
| 14:08.03 | apm1 | facepalms |
| 14:08.37 | Ratio_ | Sorry, I just keep screwing up. Please don't mind too much. |
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| 14:09.44 | babilen | Ratio_: I don't know what you are doing right now. You installed squeeze using the netinstall (without a net connection) before. That caused you problems as you didn't have a graphical dekstop environment nor a working network connection. No idea what you are doing now. IIRC we've agreed that you install wheezy using some image. Are you connected to the internet now? |
| 14:10.08 | Ratio_ | On both computers, most likely. |
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| 14:10.56 | babilen | Ratio_: So you had essentially two options: Use wheezy's DVD1 from http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ (no firmware) or use the netinstall from http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/wheezy_di_beta4/ /and/ configure your network during the installation (Ethernet preferred) |
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| 14:11.27 | Ratio_ | The second lnk is purple, so I guess I used that one. |
| 14:11.59 | babilen | *shrug* |
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| 14:12.23 | babilen | Ratio_: Did you configure your network connection during the installation? Are you using a wired connection? |
| 14:12.32 | apm1 | i wish we had a shrink here |
| 14:12.39 | abrotman | we have a bot |
| 14:12.52 | Ratio_ | I am using a wired connection. I did configure this connection. |
| 14:13.12 | babilen | Ah, well ... lets hope you did it right then :) |
| 14:13.27 | Ratio_ | Had a good scare there for a second. |
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| 14:13.38 | babilen | either way it'll work right now. In one case you might have to upgrade soon, but it'll be fine for now in either case. |
| 14:14.39 | Ratio_ | The installer looks slightly different from the last time, so I supposed I used the right one. It is also 'retrieving files', so I suppose the internet connection is working well. Everything appears to be all right. |
| 14:15.11 | babilen | fair enough |
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| 14:17.27 | Ratio_ | Also, I can imagine that troubleshooting can be quite tiring and annoying on your side, especially since I am very unfamiliar with what I am doing here and keep making minor mistakes, so again, thanks. |
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| 14:18.03 | thing_ | hello, is there any way to set the second (or third etc etc) workspace as second screen? |
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| 14:18.47 | thing_ | i wan't to create a "pseudo"screen |
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| 14:29.47 | babilen | Ratio_: Are you connected via Ethernet or wireless? |
| 14:29.51 | future28 | Hey. Can anyone explain how to encrypt my already existing debian partition so that upon booting, I need to enter this pass to access any data/my os |
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| 14:30.18 | babilen | Ratio_: And don't worry about being tiresome ... We shouldn't be here if providing support tires or bores us :) |
| 14:30.34 | Gargantua | Does zeitgest come with gnome now? (on wheezy)? |
| 14:30.43 | apm1 | speaketh for your self :p |
| 14:30.54 | babilen | future28: Copy data somewhere else, create LUKS encrypted partition/logical-volume, copy data back |
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| 14:31.32 | Ratio_ | Ethernet. You suggested as such, yes? |
| 14:31.41 | future28 | babilen, is there no way to do it whilst leaving all data intact as it currently is? |
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| 14:34.29 | Gargantua | http://i.imgur.com/XWdQdpS.gif |
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| 14:34.38 | Gargantua | Ugh, terribly sorry, wrong window. |
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| 14:35.05 | future28 | Gargantua, that was hilarious |
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| 14:36.33 | lord_rob | future28: agreed :) |
| 14:36.51 | wdouglass | babilen: i got KMS working. I compiled a kernel from kernel.org (3.7) and installed that. i guess the 3.2 kernel from wheezy didn't support my hardware |
| 14:36.54 | Gargantua | I thought it was painful :( |
| 14:36.56 | jelly-home | today I learned video footage of serious head injuries are "hilarious" |
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| 14:37.35 | future28 | jelly-home: It was hilarious as I was very unsure as to what I was looking at so the shock factor got me. I'm sure it would've been extremely painful |
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| 14:38.44 | lord_rob | future28: no you would be in the coma and would feel any pain if you're lucky |
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| 14:39.12 | lord_rob | let's discuss that in #debian-offtopic |
| 14:39.47 | lord_rob | (not with me) |
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| 14:52.47 | [nazir] | hid3: something like "echo PACKAGE hold | dpkg --set-selections" |
| 14:53.46 | abrotman | !tell hid3 about hold |
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| 15:03.05 | rabies | and here come the crickets... |
| 15:03.19 | lucide | Bonjour |
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| 15:04.08 | rabies | bonjourio to you too |
| 15:04.11 | hid3 | Thanks! |
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| 15:04.48 | rabies | par ve vious franche? |
| 15:05.12 | rabies | jelly-home, I AM ON XCHAT |
| 15:05.24 | hid3 | Any ideas what are actuall differences between 'nginx' 'nginx-light' packages? |
| 15:05.35 | rabies | jelly-home: KEEP YOUR GRIMY CTCPs AWAY FROM ME! |
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| 15:05.45 | rabies | !ctcp |
| 15:05.45 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, ctcp is the Client To Client Protocol, part of IRC (version, ping, etc.) |
| 15:05.52 | themill | rabies: can we help? |
| 15:06.00 | rabies | sorry, just feeling bored |
| 15:06.07 | rabies | ... |
| 15:06.08 | jelly-home | hid3: the package descriptions might provide some clues (apt-cache show nginx nginx-light) |
| 15:06.08 | themill | rabies: play elsewhere? |
| 15:06.09 | abrotman | go do it elsewhere, thanks |
| 15:06.15 | rabies | yeah, prolly should, sorry |
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| 15:07.34 | hid3 | Great, the description lists the installed modules |
| 15:07.47 | jelly-home | hid3: you probably want to compare nginx-full and nginx-light |
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| 15:09.09 | hid3 | The description is basically the same, just -light description includes the modules installed in it. It's alsmost what I actually needed |
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| 15:12.49 | hid3 | Wow.There are only <800 RC-critical bugs. Looks like Wheezy will become stable soon |
| 15:13.05 | hid3 | Debian's gettint like Ubuntu. Constant releases every X years |
| 15:13.06 | dvs | it's 211 |
| 15:13.08 | dvs | now |
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| 15:13.19 | hid3 | I recall potato, woody times. It used to live longer |
| 15:13.33 | Ratio_ | babilen: It booted, displayed some setting up of things, and now it seems to be stuck at a black screen. |
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| 15:14.51 | abrotman | hid3: actually, you're mistaken |
| 15:15.00 | abrotman | on a number of things |
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| 15:18.55 | Ratio_ | babilen: I rebooted, and it keeps doing it. |
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| 15:19.24 | Ratio_ | babilen: Boot, go to GRUB, select Debian, it starts 'INIT' or some things, things are set up... It goes to some screen that is entirely blank. |
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| 15:23.54 | hid3 | abrotman, particulary which ones? |
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| 15:31.22 | liyuelong | Hi, all. When I run 'prelink -amR', it gives an assertion 'j < ndeps' message and then abort. After some searching I found a similar bug with #620630. So I am curious to know if it has already been solved? Thx in advance. |
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| 15:35.13 | babilen | ... question if they think that you in a private conversation. |
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| 16:04.04 | Ratio_ | I have a problem with my fresh Debian Wheezy installation, I can get past GRUB, then it boots/sets up things (I see this long 'init' list), but then I get stuck at a blank screen. |
| 16:04.06 | Ratio_ | What do Ido? |
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| 16:05.01 | Ratio_ | *What do I do? |
| 16:05.06 | b3hnam | I deleted my /home/user/document, What is the best solution to recover ? |
| 16:05.48 | ugo | hi. Huston we have a problem :) My laptop suddently shutdown when battery is empty. If i suspend it suspend fine but how can i make it suspend when battery is very low? with low battery it simply shuts down and i cant recover what i was doing. I'm using debian wheezy |
| 16:06.02 | ugo | *suspends |
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| 16:07.54 | babilen | Ratio_: I am not really here right now -- you might want to ask the channel. What you want to do, however, is switching to the first console (CTRL-ALT-F1) and then login as root there. Install nopaste (apt-get install libapp-nopaste-perl) and then run "nopaste /var/log/Xorg.0.log" -- Give us the resulting URL. And please, just ask the channel if you are not sure if whoever you talked to before is still there. Other helpers might just ignore your ... |
| 16:08.00 | babilen | ... question if they think that you in a private conversation. |
| 16:08.04 | babilen | Ratio_: ^^^ I sent you this before |
| 16:08.39 | liyuelong | ugo: Maybe a power manager could help; I installed xfce4-power-manager in my computer |
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| 16:09.01 | liyuelong | Then you could adjust its settings according to your need. |
| 16:09.35 | Ratio_ | Oh, sorry, I had to leave. Must have missed that. |
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| 16:13.34 | hid3 | Okay, now a memory management question. I've relooked my server's memory usage statistics over the last year or so (graph/image stats). It seems the server is using ~400 megabytes of RAM (used) and the rest if cache or unused. However, the swap space is filled by average of 100-150 megs. And the unused real never went below 70 megs. |
| 16:13.39 | hid3 | Is there any way to optimise memory usage so the server would first use the cached/unused memory and them swap if necessary? |
| 16:14.57 | alfplayer | hid3: looks like http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swappiness |
| 16:15.10 | Towzzer | hid3, that's what it does normally sir |
| 16:15.24 | Towzzer | but it's more complicated because sometimes it's smarter to swap and use memory for cache if the process isn't using the memory |
| 16:15.51 | Towzzer | say you start a process and it allocates 1GB of memory , fills it with something but never uses it |
| 16:16.02 | Towzzer | swapping that to disc then using the 1GB for disk cache is better |
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| 16:17.34 | hid3 | alfplayer: I know about the swapiness. It's highly argueable if it's worth to start messing with it at all |
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| 16:18.19 | hid3 | Towzzer: what about roughly 70-100 megs which never gets used or at least cached? |
| 16:18.59 | Ratio_ | I have a problem with my fresh Debian Wheezy installation, I can get past GRUB, then it boots/sets up things (I see this long 'init' list), but then I get stuck at a blank screen. I have tried dropping to a terminal using CTRL+ALT+F1, but this doesn't appear to work. |
| 16:19.02 | Towzzer | then it would be swapped to disc |
| 16:19.12 | Ratio_ | What can I do to fix this problem? |
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| 16:20.05 | woshty | Ratio_: in my experience installing some firmware for your gfx .. have you tried booting into failsafe? |
| 16:20.51 | Ratio_ | woshty: What is gfx, and how do I boot into failsafe? |
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| 16:21.27 | woshty | Ratio_: you select it in grub .. graphics card |
| 16:22.27 | Ratio_ | You mean the 'recovery' thing? |
| 16:22.44 | Ratio_ | What was it called again... |
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| 16:23.15 | Ratio_ | I will just try that. |
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| 16:23.33 | Ratio_ | woshty: do you mean 'drivers' with 'firmware'? |
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| 16:24.30 | linuxthefish | !sources |
| 16:24.31 | dpkg | The list of repositories for installing packages is /etc/apt/sources.list and has lines like "deb http://http.debian.net/debian/ squeeze main" and "deb http://security.debian.org/ squeeze/updates main". Be sure to run "aptitude update" after editing sources.list. Also see <mirrors> <apt-spy> <squeeze updates> <squeeze security> and "man sources.list". |
| 16:25.01 | linuxthefish | why do i get the error "No apache MPM package installed" when installing Apache2 via apt-get? |
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| 16:26.15 | tremon | linuxthefish: apt-get is giving you that error? |
| 16:26.22 | Ratio_ | Was that to me or to someone else? |
| 16:26.25 | linuxthefish | at the end of the install, yes |
| 16:26.53 | linuxthefish | tremon: also with "/etc/init.d/apache2 start" |
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| 16:27.46 | tremon | linuxthefish: have you tried apt-get install -f ? if you have apache installed without a mpm package, the package is broken |
| 16:28.23 | linuxthefish | i also get this message when doing stuff in apt-get: |
| 16:28.23 | linuxthefish | insserv: warning: script 'K01rtorrent' missing LSB tags and overrides |
| 16:28.24 | linuxthefish | insserv: warning: script 'rtorrent' missing LSB tags and overrides |
| 16:28.39 | jelly-home | linuxthefish: which debian release are you using? |
| 16:28.44 | linuxthefish | uh |
| 16:28.46 | linuxthefish | 6.0 i think |
| 16:28.50 | tremon | you wrote that script yourself, and it's missing necessary information |
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| 16:29.10 | linuxthefish | i don't remember writing anything... |
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| 16:29.24 | jelly-home | linuxthefish: care to pastebin the complete output for apt-get install apache2-mpm-prefork ? |
| 16:29.35 | tremon | I don't think debian's rtorrent comes with an init script, but let me check |
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| 16:30.15 | jelly-home | those warnings are not relevant for apache and can be dealt with later |
| 16:30.41 | STMelon | brb |
| 16:30.55 | linuxthefish | jelly-home: http://pastebin.com/L6ECYUY5 |
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| 16:31.19 | tremon | linuxthefish: as jelly says, those warnings have nothing to do with apache. Also, the script is not from debian |
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| 16:32.05 | jelly-home | linuxthefish: that's weird. Did you have apache installed and removed before this? |
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| 16:32.27 | linuxthefish | yes, i got an error about envvars before |
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| 16:32.42 | jelly-home | linuxthefish: did you delete files from /etc/apache2 manually? |
| 16:32.49 | linuxthefish | then a friend advised me to do "apt-get remove --purge apache2 apache2-utils" and reinstall |
| 16:32.51 | linuxthefish | yes |
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| 16:33.03 | Ratio_ | woshty: I booted into recovery mode. |
| 16:33.07 | jelly-home | linuxthefish: you should have purged apache2.2-common as well. |
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| 16:33.30 | Ratio_ | woshty: So, what do I do now? I know which video card I have, but not really where to go from there. |
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| 16:34.24 | jelly-home | linuxthefish: either that, or read: /msg dpkg confmiss ... and apply that procedure to apache2.2-common package |
| 16:34.30 | tremon | Ratio_: amd e300, right? you need to install firmware-linux-nonfree |
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| 16:34.47 | Ratio_ | Yes, alright. Will do. |
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| 16:35.04 | babilen | Ratio_: ( |
| 16:35.14 | jmd | I've just done a dist-uprade to sid and now can't mount any NFS directories. How can I fix this? |
| 16:35.15 | babilen | Ratio_: this is why I recommended to use the image /with/ firmware |
| 16:35.25 | tremon | it's in the non-free section, if apt can't install it you need to modify sourcesl.list first |
| 16:35.38 | tremon | s/sourcesl/sources/ |
| 16:36.05 | Ratio_ | "missing file destination operand after "install firmware-linux-nonfree" |
| 16:36.06 | jelly-home | jmd: sid client to which nfs server? |
| 16:36.08 | babilen | Ratio_: But glad that you've figured it out (and I hope that this solves your issue) -- Which version of Debian did you install after all? (cat /etc/debian_version) ? |
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| 16:36.23 | tremon | Ratio_: /apt-get/ install ... |
| 16:36.26 | jmd | 6.0.3 |
| 16:36.28 | babilen | Ratio_: You have to run "apt-get install firmware-linux-linfree" :) |
| 16:36.41 | jelly-home | jmd: does showmount -e server work? |
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| 16:36.48 | Ratio_ | 7.0 |
| 16:36.57 | linuxthefish | jelly-home: none of those commands helped, even after compleatly reinstalling apache2 |
| 16:37.04 | babilen | Ratio_: ah, ok -- can you install the firmware package now? |
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| 16:37.20 | ugo | liyuelong: thanks, i'm installing |
| 16:37.24 | jmd | jelly-home, From where? |
| 16:37.36 | jelly-home | jmd: from the failing client |
| 16:38.13 | jmd | Hang-on. Will check. |
| 16:38.17 | Ratio_ | "E: Unable to locate package linux-firmware-nonfree" |
| 16:38.24 | Ratio_ | Is this the right version, though? |
| 16:38.41 | jelly-home | linuxthefish: the issue here is reinstalling isn't really complete. You want to purge _all_ the apache related packages (but mainly apache2.2-common), and only then install them back |
| 16:39.01 | linuxthefish | how would i find the ones i need to purge? |
| 16:39.05 | linuxthefish | i tried it with apache2.2-common |
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| 16:39.26 | jelly-home | Ratio_: it's in non-free, /msg dpkg non-free sources |
| 16:39.43 | tremon | and it's called firmware-linux-nonfree |
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| 16:40.05 | jelly-home | linuxthefish: dpkg -l apache\* |grep -v '^.n' |
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| 16:40.11 | tremon | linuxthefish: dpkg -S /etc/apache2 |
| 16:41.04 | linuxthefish | thanks |
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| 16:41.56 | jelly-home | tremon's is correct |
| 16:41.58 | linuxthefish | woo, fixed! |
| 16:42.00 | linuxthefish | thanks :D |
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| 16:42.52 | tremon | jelly-home: both would have worked, yours is more thorough. Purging -common would have removed the other apache packages anyway |
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| 16:43.34 | jelly-home | it wouldn't have purged the modules tho, leaving bits of config |
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| 16:43.50 | tremon | ah, hadn't considered modules :) |
| 16:44.53 | jmd | jelly-home, Yes. That works. |
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| 16:45.45 | ugo | liyuelong: i installed xfce4-power-manager but when i run it from the xterminal it does nothing. |
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| 16:46.04 | Ratio_ | "aptitude update" gives me a few things like that it could not 'resolve' my mirrors. |
| 16:46.11 | babilen | Ratio_: You can either edit /etc/apt/sources.list with an editor like nano (nano -w /etc/apt/sources.list) so it looks like http://paste.debian.net/233167/ /or/ download the sources.list with "curl http://paste.debian.net/plain/233167 -o sources.list", check that it is fine with "cat sources.list" and then copy that in place with "mv sources.list /etc/apt/sources.list" |
| 16:46.12 | Ratio_ | How do I solve this? |
| 16:46.17 | jelly-home | jmd: pastebin the exact way mount server:/exported/path /local/mountpoint fails, please |
| 16:46.26 | babilen | Ratio_: Run "apt-get update" after you've done that. |
| 16:46.29 | Ratio_ | I already edited it with nano. |
| 16:46.32 | Ratio_ | Oh, alright. |
| 16:46.34 | babilen | Ratio_: Are you connected to the network right now? |
| 16:46.50 | Ratio_ | The ethernet cable is plugged in, so I suppose I should be. |
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| 16:47.14 | ugo | Ratio_: check /etc/resolv.conf |
| 16:47.15 | babilen | Ratio_: Ah, ok. You edited it with nano already -- Does it match the sources.list i've pasted? Can you "ping debian.org" ? |
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| 16:47.48 | jmd | jelly-home, It just says "mount.nfs: access denied by server while mounting fileserver.intra:/home" |
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| 16:48.18 | Ratio_ | "unknown host debian.org" |
| 16:48.20 | Ratio_ | Wait a second |
| 16:48.23 | Ratio_ | If I recall correctly |
| 16:48.28 | Ratio_ | I need drivers for my... |
| 16:48.37 | babilen | ethernet card? |
| 16:48.39 | Ratio_ | I need drivers for my ethernet on this laptop. |
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| 16:48.45 | ugo | Ratio_: try to ping a local host or router |
| 16:48.59 | Ratio_ | facepalms |
| 16:49.00 | babilen | Ratio_: Ok, please run "ifconfig eth0 up ; dhclient eth0" and check if you can get an IP. |
| 16:49.15 | jelly-home | jmd: inspect the server logs for reasons. |
| 16:49.25 | jmd | Yep. Just done that. |
| 16:50.06 | temporarybadge | hehe |
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| 16:50.21 | jelly-home | jmd: and...? |
| 16:50.37 | Ratio_ | "eth0 NIC client is up" |
| 16:50.39 | Ratio_ | Among other things. |
| 16:50.45 | babilen | Ratio_: Do you get an IP? Which NIC do you have? "lspci -nn|grep -i ethernet" give us the alphanumerical identifier at the end. Looks like [abcd:1234]. |
| 16:50.56 | ugo | liyuelong: ok, i've found xfce4-power-manager-settings. i suppose it works now. Thanks |
| 16:50.58 | jmd | I don't see anything obviously relating to nfs mount failures |
| 16:51.18 | babilen | Ratio_: So do you see something like DHCPPACK from ..? Can you "ping debian.org" now? |
| 16:51.23 | babilen | Ratio_: brb |
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| 16:52.18 | jmd | Any idea in which log I should be looking? |
| 16:53.18 | Ratio_ | babilen: [1969:2062] |
| 16:53.40 | jelly-home | jmd: wherever mountd writes its stuff, unsure. /var/log/daemon.log perhaps |
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| 16:53.58 | jmd | Oh wait. Now I see it. |
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| 16:54.37 | Ratio_ | brb |
| 16:54.49 | babilen | Ratio_: Can you ping now (after you've ran "ifconfig eth0 up ; dhclient eth0") ? |
| 16:54.57 | babilen | ,pciid 1969:2062 |
| 16:54.58 | judd | [1969:2062] is 'AR8152 v2.0 Fast Ethernet' from 'Atheros Communications Inc.' with kernel module 'atl1c' in squeeze. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=1969:2062 |
| 16:55.53 | jmd | jelly-home, http://pastebin.ca/2312542 |
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| 16:56.46 | jelly-home | jmd: I have no clue about nfs v4. Try forcing v3 if you're on a trusted network. |
| 16:57.24 | babilen | Ratio_: That network interface card should work out-of-the box. You /should/ have working internet connection now (after running "ifconfig eth0 up ; dhclient eth0") and you should be able to run "apt-get update" and "apt-get install firmware-linux-nonfree" (assuming your /etc/apt/sources.list is correct (i.e. matches what I pasted) |
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| 16:58.21 | Ratio_ | babilen: I can ping now. |
| 16:58.30 | Ratio_ | Sorry for the late reply... Will do as you say. |
| 16:58.42 | Ratio_ | But I have to go again. AFK. BRB. |
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| 17:00.12 | babilen | Ratio_: Ok, you know what you have to do. Reboot after having done that. |
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| 17:04.47 | Ratio_ | babilen: It worked, thanks! |
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| 17:05.04 | babilen | Ratio_: So you have a working Gnome session now? |
| 17:05.28 | Ratio_ | I installed XFCE, using Advanced Settings > Alternative Desktop Environment. Was recommended to me. |
| 17:05.54 | Ratio_ | Or at least, I think this is XFCE. At any rate, I have a working desktop environment, yes! |
| 17:05.57 | babilen | Ah, yeah. Just as good (or better) :) -- But that is working? |
| 17:06.00 | babilen | yay! |
| 17:06.46 | Gargantu1 | You should try some openbox |
| 17:06.55 | babilen | Gargantu1: no, not now |
| 17:07.10 | babilen | Ratio_: .oO( finally! ) |
| 17:07.35 | Gargantu1 | Is he fresh out of a debug battle or something? |
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| 17:07.59 | Ratio_ | What is 'Openbox'? Is it like 'Fluxbox', which I keep hearing is so good? I bet it's a 'free' alternative or some such. |
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| 17:08.16 | abrotman | Ratio_: have you met google? |
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| 17:09.07 | Gargantu1 | Ratio_: http://gargantua.codelove.org/screenshot.jpg |
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| 17:09.30 | Ratio_ | Looks pretty nice, I'd say. |
| 17:09.59 | Gargantu1 | It doesn't look very attractive by default, but the good thing about it is that you can customize anything you want. |
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| 17:10.17 | Gargantu1 | http://urukrama.wordpress.com/openbox-guide/ |
| 17:10.19 | Gargantu1 | that's what got me started |
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| 17:11.04 | Ratio_ | Thanks for the link. |
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| 17:11.08 | Gargantua | np |
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| 17:12.33 | babilen | prefers tiling window managers or fluxbox |
| 17:13.07 | Gargantua | babilen: I use pytyle for that. |
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| 17:13.52 | babilen | Gargantua: yeah, sure. it's just that it was my understanding that Ratio_ has more pressing concerns than the question of which window manager to use (if any) |
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| 17:19.02 | florin1996 | hi |
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| 17:19.19 | florin1996 | i can call from ekiga to skype? |
| 17:19.23 | Gargantua | Ratio_: I'd stick with xfce until you get the hang of things. |
| 17:19.36 | Ratio_ | Gargantua: Alright, will do. |
| 17:19.47 | florin1996 | cause i can't install skype |
| 17:19.58 | florin1996 | i don't know how to install skype |
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| 17:20.28 | florin1996 | ekiga is compatible with skype? can i call from ekiga to skype? |
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| 17:20.43 | jmd | florin1996, No. |
| 17:20.55 | woshty | florin1996: there is an entry in the debian wiki somewhere |
| 17:21.10 | temporarybadge | well if you call out from ekiga into the real telephone network you can get into the skype network from there |
| 17:21.30 | babilen | Ratio_: You needed to install some development tools, didn't you? Mind elaborating on that as we might be able to help with that. |
| 17:21.38 | geggam | http://www.daemonforums.org/showthread.php?t=3384 voip over ssh :) |
| 17:21.40 | Ratio_ | Mainly C. |
| 17:21.43 | florin1996 | how i can install skype? |
| 17:21.43 | abrotman | florin1996: which version of linux are you using? |
| 17:21.45 | geggam | pfooie on skype |
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| 17:21.49 | florin1996 | debian 6 |
| 17:21.54 | Ratio_ | I have an idea on what to do. apt-get install build-essential, right? |
| 17:21.55 | abrotman | florin1996: so why can't you install skype? |
| 17:22.04 | babilen | dpkg: tell Ratio_ -about build-essential |
| 17:22.08 | abrotman | !tell Ratio_ about grounding |
| 17:22.10 | babilen | Ratio_: Install .. yeah! :) |
| 17:22.13 | florin1996 | https://support.skype.com/en/faq/FA12120/getting-started-with-skype-for-linux#1 |
| 17:22.17 | florin1996 | i use this tutorial |
| 17:22.25 | abrotman | why doesn't it work .. |
| 17:22.29 | florin1996 | in the folder skype/ bin is the skype app |
| 17:22.40 | florin1996 | i double click on it, nothing happened |
| 17:22.45 | abrotman | gives up |
| 17:22.45 | babilen | dpkg: tell florin1996 -about skype |
| 17:22.47 | babilen | dpkg: tell florin1996 -about skype squeeze |
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| 17:22.54 | woshty | http://wiki.debian.org/skype |
| 17:23.03 | Ratio_ | abrotman: I didn't know about the Debian reference yet, thanks abrotman. |
| 17:23.03 | abrotman | i have no desire to read 400 lines that should have been one |
| 17:23.05 | XP | Hello! |
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| 17:23.10 | abrotman | Ratio_: please go read it |
| 17:23.14 | XP | Is this the Debian Channel? |
| 17:23.24 | abrotman | XP: /topic |
| 17:23.25 | babilen | dpkg: tell Ratio_ -about handbook |
| 17:23.29 | babilen | XP: Yes, it is |
| 17:23.54 | XP | babilen: Where can i download Debian for free? |
| 17:24.01 | florin1996 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:24.13 | babilen | XP: http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 17:24.14 | jmd | XP, www.debian.org |
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| 17:24.27 | XP | Okay! |
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| 17:24.57 | harmaahylje | what kind of question is that really.. |
| 17:25.05 | abrotman | no worse than your response |
| 17:25.08 | jelly-home | a Sunday, web-irc one |
| 17:25.38 | florin1996 | how i can install skype? |
| 17:25.54 | florin1996 | in applications/ internet nothing appears |
| 17:26.01 | abrotman | florin1996: you didn't tell us what's not working |
| 17:26.08 | florin1996 | https://support.skype.com/en/faq/FA12120/getting-started-with-skype-for-linux#1 |
| 17:26.12 | temporarybadge | you will have download the skype deb file |
| 17:26.13 | florin1996 | i used this tutorial |
| 17:26.18 | florin1996 | yes |
| 17:26.23 | florin1996 | https://support.skype.com/en/faq/FA12120/getting-started-with-skype-for-linux#1 |
| 17:26.46 | florin1996 | in the folder debian/bin is the skype app |
| 17:26.51 | abrotman | wrong |
| 17:26.58 | florin1996 | when i open it nothing happened |
| 17:27.12 | florin1996 | in tutorial says that |
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| 17:27.27 | florin1996 | "You can run Skype from /home/user/skype-4.1/skype where user needs to be replaced with your Linux username and skype-4.1 needs to be replaced with the name of the Skype folder you created in step 2." |
| 17:27.30 | XP | I don`t understand the debian.org side. |
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| 17:28.08 | harmaahylje | are you sure you are not trolling |
| 17:28.18 | r3m | im sure he is trolling |
| 17:28.22 | florin1996 | me? |
| 17:28.23 | abrotman | then use /ignore |
| 17:28.23 | florin1996 | no! |
| 17:28.40 | florin1996 | i am not trolling! |
| 17:28.42 | XP | who is a troll? |
| 17:28.43 | harmaahylje | not you |
| 17:28.49 | abrotman | please move on |
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| 17:29.04 | woshty | florin1996: what directory did you unpack the file to? |
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| 17:29.21 | florin1996 | user home |
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| 17:29.40 | babilen | florin1996: How old is your Debian installation and what do you use your computer for? |
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| 17:29.55 | florin1996 | yesterday |
| 17:30.10 | florin1996 | i use it for programming and internet browsing |
| 17:30.28 | florin1996 | and for chat / call |
| 17:30.40 | babilen | florin1996: Ok, I would stronglt recommend to install wheezy or upgrade to it. Follow http://www.debian.org/releases/wheezy/amd64/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html if you want to upgrade or use http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/wheezy_di_beta4/ for the installation. |
| 17:31.12 | florin1996 | why? |
| 17:31.26 | florin1996 | debian 6.0 i have know |
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| 17:31.26 | babilen | florin1996: You can then follow http://wiki.debian.org/skype → On Debian 7.0 → ARCH (use multiarch if amd64) to install skype. |
| 17:31.44 | woshty | florin1996: enter ./skype-4.1.0.20/skype in a terminal window |
| 17:32.19 | Towzzer | is there an equivlent of mkdir -p for cp |
| 17:32.29 | woshty | or even better ~/skype-4.1.0.20/skype |
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| 17:32.39 | babilen | florin1996: It makes the things you want to do much easier. Recent versions of skype, for example, work fine on multiarch and this appears to be important for you. Apart from that I would suggest to run wheezy to most people who are installing a box for their personal use. |
| 17:33.20 | Ratio_ | I got to go now. |
| 17:33.32 | babilen | woshty: You/florin1996 still needs to take care of the entire i386 vs amd64 on squeeze malarky. If you want to talk florin1996 through that: Fair enough, but my recommendation to use wheezy's multiarch still stands. |
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| 17:34.07 | florin1996 | debian 7 is not ok? |
| 17:34.22 | jelly-home | skype 2.2 still works tho |
| 17:35.00 | jelly-home | babilen: this can be easily avoided by not using amd64! |
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| 17:35.43 | zinx | what i386 vs amd64 malarky? |
| 17:35.51 | zinx | (disclaimer: i use sid + multiarch) |
| 17:36.03 | babilen | florin1996: Debian 7 (wheezy) is perfectly fine. But also read jelly-home's remarks concerning amd64 and skype 2.2 (if you manage to find it) |
| 17:36.22 | zinx | ah, squeeze didn't have multiarch? yeah, that's a pain |
| 17:36.23 | jelly-home | http://download.skype.com/linux/skype-debian_2.2.0.35-1_amd64.deb # 200 OK |
| 17:36.38 | Gargantua | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:36.42 | florin1996 | i do not have amd |
| 17:36.45 | florin1996 | i have intel |
| 17:36.46 | Gargantua | Highly recommended! |
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| 17:37.06 | zinx | florin1996: 64-bit intel is always amd64 unless you know otherwise |
| 17:37.07 | jelly-home | florin1996: sure you do, but what does "dpkg --print-architecture" on your installation say? |
| 17:37.10 | babilen | zinx: Installing recent versions of skype on squeeze is a pain. (cf. https://support.skype.com/en/faq/FA12120/getting-started-with-skype-for-linux) |
| 17:37.46 | florin1996 | i have 32 bit |
| 17:37.47 | zinx | florin1996: the name describes the instruction set, not who made it |
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| 17:37.59 | florin1996 | i do not want 64 bits, cause runs slower |
| 17:38.04 | jelly-home | florin1996: what does dpkg --print-architecture say, really? |
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| 17:38.28 | woshty | florin1996: do you know where to enter that? |
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| 17:38.31 | babilen | 64bits run slower? :) |
| 17:38.37 | florin1996 | yes, i know |
| 17:38.37 | jelly-home | babilen: sometimes! |
| 17:38.40 | florin1996 | wait 1 second |
| 17:38.56 | jelly-home | sometimes it runs faster tho |
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| 17:39.24 | babilen | And sometimes it really doesn't matter and the benefits of amd64 simply outweigh the possible performance gain (or loss) |
| 17:39.34 | babilen | either way </case> |
| 17:39.48 | jelly-home | I don't see any benefits on a workstation. |
| 17:39.49 | zinx | <3s having more than 2-4GB of address space |
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| 17:40.21 | woshty | zinx: firefox user? ;) |
| 17:40.25 | zinx | jelly-home: you don't have to upgrade in 2038? |
| 17:40.27 | babilen | jelly-home: Actually being able to use the entirety of RAM (or being able to buy new RAM and use it) comes to mind. |
| 17:40.30 | zinx | woshty: mmap abuser |
| 17:40.38 | jelly-home | babilen: that works. |
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| 17:40.51 | florin1996 | 64 needs more ram |
| 17:41.02 | zinx | ram is cheap :P |
| 17:41.08 | jelly-home | babilen: that works on i386, with an amd64 kernel. |
| 17:41.16 | florin1996 | i have intel celeron 2.2 ghz |
| 17:41.21 | zinx | jelly-home: nope, 32-bit apps can't address more than 4GB total |
| 17:41.30 | babilen | jelly-home: I wouldn't be able to run any of my research programs on i386, but meh ... We both know that we don't have to discuss this and that we are well aware of what PAE is and what it means. |
| 17:41.34 | jelly-home | zinx: and they don't need to. |
| 17:41.41 | zinx | jelly-home: my programs do. |
| 17:41.57 | martin3z | mode own .xinitrc config where xrdb -merge Xresources added, launching exec /usr/bin/evilwm, no xdm/gdm/kdm, just startx, and ... not proper mouse pointer in window apps, like iceweasel/claws-mail, just cross, any ideas where to config mouse icons? |
| 17:41.58 | jelly-home | zinx: that's not a workstation, then |
| 17:42.04 | florin1996 | debian 7 is good for me? |
| 17:42.12 | zinx | jelly-home: it is a workstation used for researching involving very large data sets :P |
| 17:42.30 | jelly-home | zinx: exaclty, a very specific workload. |
| 17:42.48 | jelly-home | still waits for florin1996's "dpkg --print-architecture" |
| 17:42.49 | zinx | jelly-home: but, fwiw, something as simple as graphics/video editing also falls under the workstation category |
| 17:43.42 | florin1996 | i386 |
| 17:43.47 | jelly-home | zinx: I'll give you that, I don't run any of that apart from simple transcoding and web-sized images. Nothing like 50Mpixels or more |
| 17:43.56 | florin1996 | i386 says the console |
| 17:43.57 | abrotman | maybe florin1996 should ask Skype for support? |
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| 17:44.07 | jelly-home | florin1996: get http://download.skype.com/linux/skype-debian_2.2.0.35-1_i386.deb and install it |
| 17:44.08 | zinx | jelly-home: ya, you probably don't need amd64 then |
| 17:44.21 | zinx | jelly-home: at least not until the new iceweasel comes out :P |
| 17:44.46 | jelly-home | zinx: even then, multiarch will take care of it. The rest can stay safe and i386. |
| 17:44.48 | florin1996 | how to install it? |
| 17:44.51 | zinx | jelly-home: hehe :) |
| 17:45.00 | jelly-home | florin1996: using dpkg. |
| 17:45.03 | temporarybadge | dpkg -i blabla.deb |
| 17:45.03 | dpkg | package blabla.deb is already installed |
| 17:45.18 | temporarybadge | lol |
| 17:45.19 | temporarybadge | what |
| 17:45.56 | well_laid_lawn | martin3z: add xsetroot -cursor_name left_ptr & to .xinitrc |
| 17:46.20 | martin3z | well_laid_lawn: ok, thx, i'll add |
| 17:46.29 | Towzzer | can I set a variable in bash to a string but with colors |
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| 17:46.35 | jelly-home | florin1996: if it fails, run "apt-get -f install" exactly once, and pastebin the output of both "dpkg -i skype-debian_2.2.0.35-1_i386.deb" and "apt-get -f install". don't forget to run it as root. |
| 17:46.37 | Towzzer | so that later when that variable is printed the colors print? |
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| 17:47.19 | florin1996 | it works! |
| 17:47.22 | florin1996 | very fast! |
| 17:47.49 | florin1996 | my version why do not works? |
| 17:49.13 | jelly-home | hard to say |
| 17:49.38 | florin1996 | is this version of debian ok ? |
| 17:49.52 | florin1996 | what's the ultimate version? |
| 17:49.54 | jelly-home | it's ok until 7.0 gets released. |
| 17:49.58 | abrotman | this is getting silly |
| 17:50.10 | florin1996 | i386 or amd64? |
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| 17:50.30 | florin1996 | why amd64 is better? |
| 17:50.35 | abrotman | this is a user problem, not a linux problem |
| 17:50.47 | florin1996 | 64 bits do not run slower? |
| 17:50.51 | jelly-home | florin1996: so does skype 2.2 work now? |
| 17:50.54 | florin1996 | do not need more resources? |
| 17:51.02 | florin1996 | yes, it works! |
| 17:51.04 | florin1996 | thanks |
| 17:51.14 | jelly-home | florin1996: did you try making a call and a video call? |
| 17:51.27 | jelly-home | in particular, does the microphone work? |
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| 17:52.14 | ArchRatio | babilen: Got wi-fi to run, installed most applications necessary for programming. Thank you and everyone else for the help. |
| 17:52.30 | ArchRatio | Also, Ratio_ here, FYI |
| 17:52.59 | Gargantua | Happy hackin |
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| 17:53.42 | florin1996 | now i test the microphone |
| 17:53.43 | ArchRatio | Gargantua: Wouldn't really call it 'hacking'. Still busy following a tutorial. I wouldn't call myself a 'programmer', really. |
| 17:55.13 | Gargantua | Everyone starts somewhere. |
| 17:55.16 | florin1996 | i hear but microphone do not work |
| 17:55.37 | florin1996 | i have a lor of options at microphone hardware |
| 17:56.22 | ArchRatio | What does the guideline "/msg bots NOT people" mean? I am not sure. |
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| 17:57.27 | well_laid_lawn | ArchRatio: don't pm people without asking them first |
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| 17:58.41 | ArchRatio | well_laid_lawn: Thanks. |
| 17:58.48 | florin1996 | the microphone not work |
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| 18:00.21 | mloki | hello Iam having a update manger problem any recommendation |
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| 18:00.44 | florin1996 | what distribution is recommended to simple users? |
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| 18:01.06 | ruif13 | anyone have skype 64bits? |
| 18:01.07 | ruif13 | :( |
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| 18:02.02 | florin1996 | what distribution is recommanded to simple users? |
| 18:03.24 | jelly-home | florin1996: ubuntu seems to be a very common choice |
| 18:03.54 | florin1996 | ubuntu has problems with skype |
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| 18:04.01 | florin1996 | i can't call |
| 18:05.22 | ompaul | florin1996: that would be a microsoft bug report it to them - as they now own the software |
| 18:06.03 | ompaul | !tell florin1996 about skype |
| 18:06.13 | ompaul | wonders if people those messages |
| 18:07.03 | florin1996 | some people use skype |
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| 18:07.45 | florin1996 | how i can speak from linux to skype? |
| 18:07.49 | florin1996 | any software? |
| 18:07.55 | zykotick9 | ruif13: you might want to see "/msg dpkg skype" as well. fyi, no such thing as 64bit-skype, it's 32bit with ia32-libs... |
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| 18:08.41 | ompaul | florin1996: dpkg sent you a message please check the url in it |
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| 18:09.57 | jelly-home | ompaul: he's already installed it. If you want to help, help him with the microphone issue. |
| 18:10.16 | florin1996 | ok, i use ekiga |
| 18:10.24 | florin1996 | but my friends use skype |
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| 18:10.27 | florin1996 | what i can do? |
| 18:10.43 | fnmueller | tell your freidn to use ekiga or some sip client? |
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| 18:11.38 | florin1996 | it's not ok this... |
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| 18:12.25 | ArchRatio | babilen: Could you help me to handle some .deb package? I messaged dpkg '.deb', but I still don't really know what to do. |
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| 18:12.28 | ompaul | florin1996: go read this and that is ok - if skype are short sighted that is their problem not mine http://wiki.debian.org/skype |
| 18:12.45 | ArchRatio | babilen: Even in Ubuntu I barely ever made something manually, mostly used apt-get. |
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| 18:15.00 | florin1996 | how i can make a microphone test in ekiga? |
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| 18:16.05 | jelly-home | ompaul: he's already installed skype. 2.2 doesn't have a lot of difference to 4.0 in the sound config dept. |
| 18:16.21 | jelly-home | ompaul: and that page says nothing about making your mic work |
| 18:16.36 | ArchRatio | babilen: Never mind, I found a guide I understand. |
| 18:17.12 | lokimoody | how can i fix error message in the update manager? |
| 18:17.46 | florin1996 | how i can test if microphone works in ekiga? |
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| 18:18.44 | r3m | florin1996: damn, search by your own a bit... |
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| 18:19.12 | lokimoody | how can i fix error message in the update manager? |
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| 18:19.52 | Ziarkaen` | aptitude upgrade reports "0 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 7 not upgraded." What does the 7 mean? |
| 18:19.54 | Ziarkaen` | e, |
| 18:20.34 | r3m | you dont even try to find what you are asking for, you directly ask it here "ok how i test the microphone?" |
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| 18:21.27 | fnmueller | florin1996: http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_bSmTe7JtPnM/SpJevOa5otI/AAAAAAAANS4/fJykk2ZSXY4/s400/tech_support_cheat_sheet.png |
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| 18:22.21 | fnmueller | Ziarkaen`: did you use apt-get upgrade? I am guessing, as you never supplied your command |
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| 18:23.00 | fnmueller | Ziarkaen`: nvm, you said aptitude upgrade, check dist-upgrade und safe-upgrade option :-) |
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| 18:23.36 | ompaul | Ziarkaen`: is that wheezy? |
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| 18:24.18 | naptastic_ | If I set up an apt-mirror that mirrors Wheezy, will I be able to do network installs from it? |
| 18:24.26 | Ziarkaen` | fnmueller: Thanks. dis-upgrade tells me there is a conflict. That's why upgrade is not doing anything. |
| 18:24.30 | Ziarkaen` | ompaul: testing |
| 18:24.51 | fnmueller | Ziarkaen`: ohh, and you should not be using testing if you didn't know ;-) |
| 18:24.53 | ompaul | Ziarkaen`: do this aptitude upgrade && aptitude dist-upgrade |
| 18:25.26 | ompaul | Ziarkaen`: you should always dist-upgrade not upgrade and you will get the new / fixed packages |
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| 18:25.46 | Ziarkaen` | ompaul: I am not happy with the solution aptitude proposes, so I'll leave it for now. |
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| 18:27.19 | lokimoody | how can i fix error message in the update manager? |
| 18:27.50 | fnmueller | lokimoody: parse error: not enough arguments |
| 18:28.17 | florin1996 | debian 7 appear in 29 January? |
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| 18:28.19 | ompaul | lokimoody: your error message a pastebin would be useful or an imagebin |
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| 18:28.58 | jelly-home | florin1996: debian 7 is not out yet. |
| 18:29.30 | florin1996 | 29 Januray 2013 |
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| 18:29.39 | florin1996 | official page say that |
| 18:29.40 | ompaul | !release date |
| 18:29.40 | dpkg | Debian does not release based on dates, it is released when there are no <release critical> bugs. See also <release history>. |
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| 18:30.01 | fnmueller | florin1996: link plx |
| 18:30.03 | ompaul | florin1996: please message the bot dpkg with your queries |
| 18:30.17 | ompaul | florin1996: also are you referring to a beta ... |
| 18:30.23 | ompaul | or release candidate? |
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| 18:31.21 | ompaul | florin1996: your required reading: http://www.debian.org/releases/ |
| 18:31.28 | florin1996 | http://www.google.ro/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=debian+7+cand+apare&source=web&cd=2&ved=0CC8QFjAB&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.debian.org%2Freleases%2Ftesting%2Fi386%2Frelease-notes.ro.pdf&ei=YucXUdizJeqQ4gTZpYD4Aw&usg=AFQjCNHaLpXr2r6GkFxlwb9NPDodAhIW1A&bvm=bv.42080656,d.bGE |
| 18:31.54 | lokimoody | give me a sec I am sort of new here so it may be a few. |
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| 18:32.56 | fnmueller | florin1996: thoise are the testong release notes as far as I understand, which much of it I don't |
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| 18:33.21 | florin1996 | when appears stable? |
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| 18:33.45 | ompaul | florin1996: read the information - when release critical bugs are solved it is not based on a specific date |
| 18:33.54 | fnmueller | some time in the future, when it is deemed ready, as was pointed out above |
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| 18:34.13 | ompaul | entru ajutor in limba romana va rugam vizitati #debian-ro pe irc.oftc.net |
| 18:34.50 | spacepluk | hi, I'm trying to clone my system into a new drive with dd? Do you think I'll need to reconfigure anything before booting? |
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| 18:35.19 | florin1996 | debian 7 will run faster than 6? |
| 18:35.22 | ArchRatio | So, I just installed Dropbox, which went fine, but whenever I try to link my computer to an existing Dropbox account, it suddenly freezes my entire system. What do I do? |
| 18:35.35 | ArchRatio | I use Debian 7.0., by the way. |
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| 18:35.49 | fnmueller | spacepluk: no, but as dd copys blockwise, you must resize the partitions later, if you want to use the whole disk (if it differs from the new one) |
| 18:35.51 | Joel_re | hey, Im trying to install python 2.7 on debian lenny |
| 18:36.01 | Joel_re | and would like to make sure I dont lose py 2.5,2.4 |
| 18:36.11 | Joel_re | can anyone suggest a safe way to do this? |
| 18:36.34 | jelly-home | Joel_re: build the source and install to a separate prefix like /opt/python2.7 |
| 18:36.46 | Joel_re | jelly-home: I have the source built |
| 18:36.55 | Joel_re | is make altinstall the right option? |
| 18:37.03 | Joel_re | right target* |
| 18:37.43 | spacepluk | fnmueller: thanks! I was aware of that :) But was wondering about the UUIDs for grub and fstab... I'm also using LVM if that matters |
| 18:39.01 | fnmueller | spacepluk: UUID should be the same. At the same time, I personally rather would use partimage and manually change UUID in grub and fstab later |
| 18:39.29 | ompaul | Joel_re: why keep lenny working - it no longer gets security support just in case you didn't know |
| 18:39.30 | fnmueller | it's more a decision on what you want to spend time on, though |
| 18:39.40 | jelly-home | Joel_re: y'know, I have no idea. I think you had to specify the --prefix at configure time |
| 18:39.49 | Joel_re | ompaul: yes, I agree I need to get this box migrated |
| 18:39.57 | babilen | ArchRatio: What are you trying to do? |
| 18:39.57 | Joel_re | that is on my list of things todo :) |
| 18:40.32 | spacepluk | fnmueller: can I ask why? |
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| 18:41.28 | fnmueller | spacepluk: sure, because I personally deem that to be faster and more straight forward. But that is why I say it's a personal decision, because it can be done your way too. |
| 18:41.41 | ArchRatio | babilen: I just installed Dropbox. I run it for the first time, it asks me if I want to create a new account or link this computer to an existing account, it sends a request to the dropbox server, freeze. |
| 18:41.52 | ArchRatio | I want to link this computer to an existing Dropbox account. |
| 18:42.06 | babilen | dpkg: tell ArchRatio -about dropbox |
| 18:43.04 | ArchRatio | babilen: So I have to install the Nautilus plug-in? |
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| 18:44.15 | ArchRatio | Never mind, just going to try that. |
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| 18:45.27 | ArchRatio | babilen, is it okay if I /msg you about something? I want to ask you something that is not strictly off-topic but that is maybe not constructive for the current atmosphere of the channel. |
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| 18:46.20 | babilen | ArchRatio: sure |
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| 18:48.47 | spacepluk | fnmueller: thanks :) |
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| 18:49.09 | fnmueller | you are welcome :-) |
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| 18:52.43 | beregond | hi all, got weird problem, losetup -f gives me 'no permission to look at /dev/loop<n>' even if I'm logged as root... its commercial vps if it changes anything, could you help me pls? |
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| 18:55.51 | jelly-home | beregond: container-based VPSes often have additional restrictions. See if you can use a Xen or KVM or vmware (esx) VM-based VPS instead |
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| 18:57.57 | beregond | jelly-home: ok, confirmation that there can be such restrictions is enough for me, I'm afraid I can't use different, but thanks for info |
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| 19:05.12 | Agiofws | can anyone explain to me what UEFI Secure boot is and how does it change things ... ? will we need grub to boot into linux ? |
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| 19:12.18 | ompaul | you'll want grub, its all about the boot loader |
| 19:12.24 | ompaul | Agiofws: ^^ |
| 19:12.57 | ompaul | Agiofws: have you (A) win 8 machine you wish to make debian? (B) over 2TB of storage? |
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| 19:13.18 | zinx | Agiofws: you'll need microsoft to bless your OS, apparently >_< |
| 19:13.18 | Agiofws | neither ompaul |
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| 19:14.21 | Agiofws | does windows 8 touch the mbr ? and make it impossible for linux to install ? |
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| 19:15.26 | zinx | Agiofws: nah, some systems have bugs in their UEFI stuff that prevents OSs other than Windows from booting, and can also brick the device. |
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| 19:15.45 | ompaul | Agiofws: basically it should be able to be shut off and then you shouldn't have worry about it - however we see cases being reported of bad implementations |
| 19:15.50 | naptastic_ | Samsung laptops in particular right now. |
| 19:15.58 | naptastic_ | Brick, I mean. |
| 19:16.22 | ompaul | Agiofws: however it can't be switched off on the arm tablets |
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| 19:16.54 | ompaul | Agiofws: so I use big disks and you can use GPT as your boot manager it |
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| 19:17.31 | ompaul | Agiofws: the best words of advise I can give you are don't try to dual run and abandon the slave ware |
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| 19:22.07 | Agiofws | ompaul, are there any instructions on how to install linux on a windows 8 machine ? |
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| 19:25.00 | ompaul | Agiofws: the ones I have read just say Turn It Off - it's dangerous |
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| 19:28.06 | Agiofws | ompaul, why did microsoft develop secure boot ? i mean what are the advantages of secure boot compared to OLD boot procedure ? |
| 19:28.36 | ompaul | Agiofws: because they wanted to make a monopoly ime and frankly that's offtopic for here |
| 19:30.05 | Agiofws | that is the assumption but what do they claim ? what are there argumentσ ? |
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| 19:36.06 | ompaul | Agiofws: who cares it is off topic for #debian to discuss the operations of microsofts operating system designers |
| 19:36.14 | ompaul | (who appear to have no clue anyway) |
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| 19:51.31 | Agiofws | ompaul, is secure boot a hardware implementation or a software one ? |
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| 19:52.25 | Agiofws | does it need special hardware for it to work ... bottom line can i install windows 8 on a 4 year old laptop |
| 19:52.39 | drasko | hi all, how can I change sh to bash or dash ? |
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| 19:53.48 | on` | Hello, I am a current Windows 7 user and I would love to install Debian, I have done so before but the problem is that ethernet doesn't work on my computer while on Debian, Wi-Fi works but no ethernet, and I have no clue how to solve it, would I be able to get assistance from IRC if I installed it? |
| 19:53.56 | drasko | I what does dpkg-reconfigure dash do ? |
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| 20:13.40 | on` | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:14.06 | abrotman | on`: we say you on the other network |
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| 20:20.27 | geckos | I need /usr/bin/foo how can I get what package provides foo? |
| 20:20.39 | abrotman | !tell geckos about apt-file |
| 20:20.53 | geckos | abrotman: thanks! |
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| 20:22.09 | Agiofws | is a 32bit binary compatible on a 64bit OS ? |
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| 20:22.21 | Agiofws | probably not ? |
| 20:22.27 | abrotman | Agiofws: multiarch |
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| 20:22.38 | jegeva | hello guys & gals, i'm looking to replace kde with smthng lighter (don't really like gnome), pref running under x (ie. able to run some graph browser & media) with glx caps (not necessarily in the win mngr itself) with minimum decorations (somewhat old machine,i'd like the resources dedicated towards what i do and not decoration and mumbo jubo), i'm thinking lxde but have you got some other alternatives (i don't like neither fluxbox nor aft |
| 20:22.53 | Agiofws | does anyone here have googlearth running on there wheezy installation ? |
| 20:22.57 | digdilem | Agiofws, depends on the os. Linux, no point |
| 20:22.57 | abrotman | jegeva: lxde or xfce |
| 20:23.03 | on` | Is there something like Wubi but for Debian? |
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| 20:24.23 | Agiofws | jegeva, i think xfce4 is what you want but have you tried ot gnome 3.4 i think its come a long way in some way its minimalistic and superb for lots of workspaces while having one Screen |
| 20:24.39 | jegeva | thanks abrotman that's what i was thinking |
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| 20:24.56 | Agiofws | abrotman, can i install a 32bit binary.deb ona 64bit debian install ? |
| 20:25.07 | abrotman | !tell Agiofws about multiwarch |
| 20:25.09 | abrotman | !tell Agiofws about multiarch |
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| 20:25.32 | jegeva | Agiofws: honestly not for a looong time, i'm not that mutch a fan of the whole gconf thing |
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| 20:26.28 | Agiofws | check out gnome 3 its a whole new game into desktop it reminds a little of android os i think |
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| 20:27.33 | on` | Is it possible to install Debian through mountin it? The netinstall version? |
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| 20:27.48 | abrotman | on`: ? |
| 20:28.02 | on` | Mounting it through daemon tools |
| 20:28.03 | jegeva | Agiofws: i'm not looking for WM ease of use but, on the contrary something that'll push me more towards heavy shell use |
| 20:28.04 | Agiofws | http://www.gnome.org/gnome-3/ i come from a xfce4 DE environment but i was pleased with new gnome ... no menus etc... |
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| 20:28.14 | Agiofws | oh.... |
| 20:28.42 | Agiofws | jegeva, use xwm or something like that or blackbox .... or ligthbox ... |
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| 20:29.22 | jegeva | Agiofws: ok, i'll take a look at that, really want to hone my term skills |
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| 20:30.21 | Agiofws | anyone here have googleearth working in wheezy 64 bit ? |
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| 20:33.04 | Agiofws | abrotman, http://paste.debian.net/233197/ |
| 20:33.40 | abrotman | judd: versions ia32-libs --release wheezy |
| 20:33.42 | judd | No package named 'ia32-libs' was found in wheezy/i386. |
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| 20:34.03 | abrotman | Agiofws: you'll have to learn about multiarch, and use the 32bit version ? |
| 20:35.21 | Agiofws | abrotman, is wheezy 7.0 out yet with multiarch support ? |
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| 20:35.31 | abrotman | Agiofws: did you read what the bot told you ? |
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| 20:35.36 | Agiofws | yes |
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| 20:35.58 | abrotman | so you read the wiki page about multiarch? |
| 20:35.59 | Agiofws | ok so its not out yet |
| 20:36.55 | Agiofws | abrotman, the thing is that i downloaded the 64bit.deb google earth file and it still gave me an error |
| 20:37.31 | abrotman | Agiofws: i said to use the 32bit package |
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| 20:38.35 | TuxFighter | What would you guys suggest to get wine runs propaply in wheezy with Sound and D3D, a 64bit wine or a 32bit wine ? |
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| 20:40.27 | Agiofws | ok downloading the 32bit package |
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| 20:46.01 | AlexLikeRock | http://www.ubuntu.com/download/help/create-a-usb-stick-on-windows this is one tool : http://www.pendrivelinux.com/ this is other tooll : http://unetbootin.sourceforge.net/ |
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| 20:46.34 | abrotman | wtf was that ? |
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| 20:47.27 | Agiofws | abrotman, http://paste.debian.net/233202/ |
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| 20:48.22 | abrotman | Agiofws: learn how to use multiarch .. stop trying to mash it on there :) |
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| 20:54.30 | Agiofws | i think i dd what the how said |
| 20:54.34 | Agiofws | did* |
| 20:54.54 | Agiofws | i added my arch via dpkg ... did not touch sources list ... though |
| 20:55.01 | Agiofws | but it did not work for me |
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| 20:55.09 | cusco | hi... |
| 20:55.55 | cusco | I have a usb flash drive, when I insert it, a /dev/sdc is created, but whenever I try to access it, I get: Error opening /dev/sdc: No medium found |
| 20:56.04 | cusco | is there something I can do about it? |
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| 20:56.12 | abrotman | cusco: have you verified it does or does not exist ? |
| 20:56.36 | phatypus | cusco: have you added a partition |
| 20:56.42 | cusco | file /dev/sdc is there, and checking dmesc is created by usb-storage |
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| 20:56.56 | abrotman | cusco: permissions? |
| 20:57.02 | cusco | phatypus: can't, any software will trow that error |
| 20:57.04 | phatypus | cusco: you should also see /dev/sdc1 |
| 20:57.14 | phatypus | (or even sdc1, sdc2 etc) |
| 20:57.21 | cusco | abrotman: brw-rw---T |
| 20:57.35 | abrotman | cusco: user/group might help |
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| 20:58.07 | pasquale | !ciao |
| 20:58.07 | dpkg | ciao is probably both hello and goodbye (casual), or a slow and old but widely known Prolog interpreter. |
| 20:58.18 | abrotman | oh, !list! |
| 20:58.24 | pasquale | !link |
| 20:58.24 | dpkg | from memory, link is down error 404 :( |
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| 20:58.41 | cusco | abrotman: root floppy |
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| 20:58.58 | pasquale | !link |
| 20:58.58 | dpkg | it has been said that link is down error 404 :( |
| 20:59.06 | abrotman | cusco: and you're mounting as user or root? |
| 20:59.23 | abrotman | cusco: can root "fdisk -l /dev/sdc' |
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| 20:59.49 | cusco | abrotman: empty, no output |
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| 21:00.08 | abrotman | cusco: are you 100% sure there is a partition on it? |
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| 21:00.19 | KristisB | http://paste.debian.net/233204/ Why am I required to insert CD when I install something like (SSH) instead of Debian getting it from the internet? |
| 21:00.29 | cusco | abrotman: ... I opend it before and it had 3 partitions if I am not mistaken |
| 21:00.38 | cusco | its not mine, something must have gone wrong |
| 21:00.42 | ompaul | KristisB: in your /etc/apt/sources.list you have a cd listed |
| 21:00.56 | cusco | I was only trying to know if there is some way I could recover files.. |
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| 21:01.26 | ompaul | KristisB: you should also have stuff in there pointing to deb http://stuffandmorestuff and words |
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| 21:01.52 | cusco | I even tried cat /dev/sdc - cat: /dev/sdc: No medium found |
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| 21:02.00 | KristisB | ompaul: yes, I got it. Should I remove the cd line? |
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| 21:02.19 | abrotman | KristisB: comment it out with a '#' |
| 21:02.23 | ompaul | KristisB: stick a # in front of it |
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| 21:04.17 | KristisB | ompaul, thank you. |
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| 21:05.40 | KristisB | What is the Desktop Manager on Ubuntu? |
| 21:05.43 | KristisB | oops |
| 21:05.46 | KristisB | On Debian. |
| 21:06.01 | abrotman | KristisB: whichever you want to use |
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| 21:06.54 | KristisB | abrotman: on Ubuntu, I used to use "service lightdm stop" to stop graphic and only have "command line", how do I do it on Debian distribution? |
| 21:07.13 | ArchRatio | How do I add myself to the audio group? |
| 21:07.23 | abrotman | !tell KristisB about nodm |
| 21:07.28 | abrotman | ArchRatio: adduser user group |
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| 21:07.54 | AlexLikeRock | KristisB, you can chois gnome, kde, xfce ,xlde |
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| 21:08.08 | abrotman | wtf is up with that guy? |
| 21:08.12 | ArchRatio | Thanks. |
| 21:08.56 | ompaul | abrotman: ban him |
| 21:09.00 | ompaul | or mute him |
| 21:09.03 | jacksmithz | as far as I understand "apt-get updates" updates the list of available packages, so how come that it also increases the number of installed packages on my system? (atleast according to aptitude). ? |
| 21:09.04 | ompaul | until he tells you |
| 21:09.29 | ArchRatio | Sorry, with what guy? |
| 21:09.55 | ArchRatio | I want to make sure I am doing nothing wrong, sorry if I am interjecting... |
| 21:09.55 | abrotman | ArchRatio: not you |
| 21:10.10 | ArchRatio | All right then. |
| 21:10.33 | KristisB | AlexLikeRock - I was not referring to DE, but DM. |
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| 21:11.26 | txomon | I found a "bug" (really don't know how to name it) in debian |
| 21:11.38 | txomon | when you run out of space in /, you get blocked |
| 21:11.42 | txomon | totally blocked |
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| 21:12.03 | ArchRatio | When I enter "aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav" it works, but otherwise, audio utterly refuses to work... Odd. |
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| 21:13.31 | ArchRatio | That's odd... Audio is working all of a sudden. |
| 21:13.45 | ArchRatio | No idea how that happened, but I'm quite content with this turn of events. |
| 21:14.37 | Gargantua | ArchRatio: do you have alsa-utils? |
| 21:14.45 | ArchRatio | Yes, I do. |
| 21:15.15 | ArchRatio | But there is nothing that needs to be fixed, it appears, any way. Except I don't know how to change my volume yet. |
| 21:15.38 | Gargantua | type alsamixer into a console |
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| 21:15.53 | Gargantua | or xfce4-mixer |
| 21:16.18 | ArchRatio | That worked. But is there any 'shortcut', any way to instate a volume button in the taskbar or some such? |
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| 21:18.44 | zophy | what is being a mount options for aufs to fallover to another drive iffen der first drive's free space drops below a preset value ? |
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| 21:19.49 | boudiccas | ArchRatio: kmix |
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| 21:24.32 | notjimcarrey | can't get apt-get upgrade to run successfully, keep getting: |
| 21:24.37 | notjimcarrey | dpkg-deb (subprocess): decompressing archive member: internal gzip read error: '<fd:4>: incorrect data check' |
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| 21:27.04 | boudiccas | notjimcarrey: what does aptitude say when you try it? |
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| 21:27.26 | KristisB | how to update my graphic card drivers? |
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| 21:28.46 | notjimcarrey | dpkg: error: parsing file '/var/lib/dpkg/available' near line 46936 package 'libmro-compat-perl': `Depends' field, syntax error after reference to package `libclass-c3-perl' |
| 21:28.47 | dpkg | You are person #1 to send an unparseable request, notjimcarrey |
| 21:28.50 | notjimcarrey | E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (2) |
| 21:29.33 | tremon | notjimcarrey: try dpkg --clear-avail, then run apt-get update again |
| 21:29.53 | notjimcarrey | ah, thanks, think that was the command i was trying to remember |
| 21:30.44 | tremon | KristisB: for which card? in general, you don't |
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| 21:31.14 | KristisB | tremon: nv18. |
| 21:31.43 | notjimcarrey | tremon: http://pastebin.com/1AEBtb6R |
| 21:33.00 | tremon | KristisB: have you read http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers? |
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| 21:33.47 | tremon | notjimcarrey: did you have an unclean shutdown? I'd fsck your /var partition |
| 21:34.11 | tremon | notjimcarrey: to clear the error, run apt-get clean to force apt to redownload the .debs |
| 21:35.41 | tremon | KristisB: if you use the free driver, you need to update your entire X server and kernel to backports versions. The binary driver is not what I'm familiar with. Why do you need newer drivers? |
| 21:36.48 | zophy | i ran out of space on /usr what are the mount options to use aufs to make a union with another drive for /usr ? |
| 21:36.52 | KristisB | tremon, okay. I need to read it again carefully again. Well, I am not sure but I wish to use compiz effects, I guess, I can't see it without 3D drivers. |
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| 21:42.08 | tremon | KristisB: nv18 is very old (geforce4 mx), it won't be supported by nvidia's driver. If you need better performance, you need to upgrade the entire graphics stack. You can either get newer versions from backports or upgrade to wheezy, which will be released in the coming months |
| 21:42.30 | ctooley | Where can I find the list of packages that are contained in "standard" installation? I'm trying to pair my preseeded install down to the minimum install |
| 21:42.33 | tremon | !tell KristisB about bdo |
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| 21:43.04 | tremon | !tell KristisB about squeeze->wheezy |
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| 21:43.40 | ArchRatio | I installed Skype using the multi-arch method advised for amd64 architecture as described in this web page: http://wiki.debian.org/skype |
| 21:43.54 | ArchRatio | It installed fine, it appears. However, when I open Skype and try to log in, it freezes. |
| 21:44.02 | ArchRatio | Opening works fine, logging in less so. |
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| 21:44.26 | ArchRatio | I have the same when I try to link my account to Dropbox. I am beginning to suspect it's something to do with how my connection is handled, although I am not sure of that. |
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| 21:45.59 | KristisB | tremon, thank you for the provided information. :) |
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| 21:46.57 | ctooley | Actually, what'd I'd really prefer is some documentation on using preseed to not select any "tasks" via tasksel. If I don't put anything at all in the preseed file it prompts, if I put "standard" in there, it installs 1100 packages. |
| 21:47.02 | zykotick9 | ArchRatio: two non-free, non-debian packages not working... makes you think... |
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| 21:49.01 | tremon | ctooley: what is your tasksel line? mine says "tasksel tasksel/first multiselect standard" which seems to work fine |
| 21:49.07 | pasquale | [# debian |
| 21:49.11 | ArchRatio | Yes, it does... I'm 'used' to them though. And everything I have/know is on there. |
| 21:49.20 | ArchRatio | I guess I should find an alternative for Dropbox. Do you know of any? |
| 21:49.25 | joseyluis | how can I setup a local mirror of Debian without using Debian? I use NetBSD on my PC, and I am using qemu for lear automatic installations. |
| 21:49.28 | tremon | that said, I haven't tried my preseed file with wheezy's installer yet |
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| 21:49.54 | ctooley | tremon: that "works", it just installs a lot more things than if I unselect all of the "tasks" when prompted. |
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| 21:49.59 | joseyluis | I have used standard with whezee |
| 21:50.10 | ctooley | This is Squeeze |
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| 21:50.39 | tremon | ctooley: it shouldn't install 1100 packages, more like 300 iirc |
| 21:51.10 | tremon | ctooley: at a guess, have you tried multiselect none? |
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| 21:51.24 | tremon | or multiselect '', for that matter? |
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| 21:52.06 | ctooley | If I use "tasksel tasksel/first standard" it installs 1093 packages. If I comment the line out, it prompts me and when I deselect everything it installs 82 packages. |
| 21:52.23 | ctooley | But, I'll add the "multiselect" in, maybe that's the issue. |
| 21:52.29 | KristisB | tremon, if some .deb cannot be installed due to missing dependencies - should I use gdebi tool or is it okay to run "sudo apt-get install -f"? |
| 21:53.33 | tremon | KristisB: gdebi won't install it either unless you force things, which will most likely give you more headaches down the road. Try to be more specific, which package has missing dependencies? |
| 21:53.40 | tremon | !tell KristisB about bat |
| 21:55.38 | joseyluis | Can I use a ISO image for a netboot installation? I have used a netinst and the first disk of dvd of debian installtion, and it doesn't work. It only works when I select a debian mirror. (the error is I can't detect a hard disk). |
| 21:55.40 | tremon | ctooley: http://lackof.org/taggart/hacking/d-i_preseed/ seems to suggest "tasksel tasksel/first multiselect" should be fine |
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| 21:55.46 | KristisB | tremon, skype-debian_4.1.0.20-1_i386.deb >>> Error: Dependency is not satisfiable: libqt4-network (>= 4:4.8.0) |
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| 21:56.12 | tremon | ,v libqt4-network |
| 21:56.13 | judd | Package: libqt4-network on i386 -- lenny: 4.4.3-1+lenny1; lenny-security: 4.4.3-1+lenny1; squeeze: 4:4.6.3-4+squeeze1; wheezy: 4:4.8.2+dfsg-10; sid: 4:4.8.2+dfsg-11 |
| 21:56.32 | tremon | KristisB: that package only works on debian wheezy |
| 21:56.48 | ctooley | thanks, hopefully this does the trick |
| 21:56.55 | joseyluis | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/preseed/+bug/775670 seems to indicat that with a netisnt iso image isn't possible. |
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| 21:58.42 | KristisB | tremon, this is maybe I selected Debian 7.0 on Skype webpage. But there is no other selection for Skype. |
| 21:58.46 | tremon | joseyluis: I'm confused. if the installer bails out because it can't find your harddisk, why are you looking for a netboot installer? |
| 21:58.53 | graham1 | hey. i have a kimsufi vps, and a domain from namecheap. how do i set it up so www.mydomain.com goes to <myipwithkimsufi> ? |
| 21:58.59 | tremon | or am I misunderstanding you? |
| 21:59.06 | graham1 | do i have to use kimsufi dns servers with namecheap? |
| 21:59.10 | KristisB | tremon: for Debian* |
| 21:59.45 | tremon | KristisB: http://wiki.debian.org/skype |
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| 22:00.58 | joseyluis | tremon: I if I boot the netinst cd, the installation works ok. If I do a netboot installation it works also, if I use a debian mirror (not a iso image). |
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| 22:02.34 | tremon | joseyluis: ok, could it be that your netboot images are newer than the other iso's you're trying to install from? It sounds like your installers are missing some drivers |
| 22:03.17 | joseyluis | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/preseed/+bug/775670 states that netboot(initrd of netboot) doesn't include the drivers of hard-disk, it loads them as module from network. Netinst is the opposite: it includes the drivers in the initrd file, but not in the files of the iso filesystem |
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| 22:03.49 | joseyluis | Did anyone of you used a iso as a image for a netboot installation? |
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| 22:04.10 | ArchRatio | When I tried to "sudo apt-get remove --purge skype", it freezed. Is this normal? |
| 22:04.42 | joseyluis | I think that it is overkill to setup a mirror for install several machines with debian using netboot/preseed |
| 22:04.56 | tremon | ah, I was missing the distinction between netboot installation and netinst installer. Are you really trying to build a netboot debian environment? |
| 22:05.09 | joseyluis | yest |
| 22:05.25 | babilen | ArchRatio: No, it is not. You can, however, just run "apt-get purge skype" in lieu of "remove --purge" |
| 22:05.36 | babilen | ArchRatio: Did you test your memory already? |
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| 22:05.53 | ArchRatio | No. I probably should. |
| 22:06.05 | ArchRatio | I will try to do what you say now. If I suddenly leave, I forced shutdown. |
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| 22:06.55 | ArchRatio | Could this also be the problem between Skype freezing seconds after successfully logging in and Dropbox failing to stay stable when verifying my account, the RAM, I mean? |
| 22:07.08 | ArchRatio | I'm grasping at straws here, sorry if I am proposing stupid things. |
| 22:07.44 | ArchRatio | It is successfully purging now. Hooray. Thanks. |
| 22:08.00 | tremon | joseyluis: I'm unsure how I would do a netboot installation. But my preferred way would be to create a minimal environment with debootstrap on the server, then proceed to get clients booting from that first |
| 22:08.20 | ArchRatio | babilen: Also, my audio mysteriously started working again. |
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| 22:10.53 | tremon | ArchRatio: sounds like your motherboard is fried |
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| 22:12.47 | ArchRatio | babilen: When I tried to reinstall Skype, it freezed. Again. First thing I am doing tomorrow is RAM testing. Recovery mode, then RAM test is somewhere in there, is that right? |
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| 22:13.25 | ArchRatio | Feeling kind of 'bummed'. This was not what I expected. I didn't expect everything to work out of the box, but I hoped that at least I wouldn't freeze every 10 minutes. Probably somehow my own fault though. |
| 22:14.01 | tremon | ArchRatio: install memtest86. it should appear as a boot option in the grub menu |
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| 22:14.18 | joseyluis | tremon: I will look debootstrap Other question: If I use netboot/debootstrap for install a debian server, and six months after I install other server, will they have the same version of packages? I would like that all servers have the same base line of operative system, and it seems to me that all these methods obtain the last version. |
| 22:15.45 | tremon | joseyluis: they will if you keep your servers up-to-date and keep sources.list identical |
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| 22:21.46 | joseyluis | Then If I don't keep them updated they won't be identical. At least my past experience with some critical database Oracle servers, etc. different customers are not patches in 1-3 years. I will post in a mailing list, as it seems a complex question. I am begining with Debian). |
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| 22:22.00 | ArchRatio | What does memtest86 do, anyway? Does it give me results, a diagnosis, does it fix things? |
| 22:23.06 | trist4n | test memory |
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| 22:23.18 | ArchRatio | Also, I did not get any of these problems on other OSes I have used before. Odd. I wonder how come. |
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| 22:25.31 | tremon | joseyluis: all debian installers will download updates from the 'net if you configure an internet connection during install. You may want to read about debian's stable policy if you're worried about OS "baselines" |
| 22:25.37 | tremon | http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-faq/ch-getting.en.html#s-updatestable |
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| 22:25.44 | ArchRatio | At any rate, I have to go now. |
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| 22:28.51 | matt444 | I have a network problem. curl, wget, elinks all don't work (host not found, etc.). However, apt-get works fine, which is odd to me. |
| 22:29.20 | crak32 | Hi I have just installed Linux Debian 3.2.0.1-amd 64 |
| 22:29.30 | crak32 | When installing it said eth0 doesn |
| 22:29.50 | crak32 | Doesn't exist, and I have no internet, how do I fix this? I know eth0 is the internet device |
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| 22:30.48 | crak32 | Anybody willing to help me? |
| 22:31.08 | tremon | crak32: what's the pci id of your nic? try lspci -nn |
| 22:31.19 | joseyluis | tremon: It says: Once a Debian version is released and tagged `stable' it will only get security updates. |
| 22:31.36 | joseyluis | tremon: Isn't there stability fixes? |
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| 22:32.19 | crak32 | tremon: ethernet controller = 02:00.0, network controller = 03:00.0 |
| 22:32.29 | crak32 | Is those numbers what you mean tremon? |
| 22:32.40 | tremon | crak32: we need the [abcd:1234] id :) |
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| 22:33.03 | tremon | joseyluis: stability fixes are applied /before/ a new stable version is released |
| 22:33.19 | crak32 | 1969:e091 (ethernet) and 8086:0887 |
| 22:33.22 | crak32 | this is some advanced stuff o.O |
| 22:33.23 | tremon | we are not microsoft |
| 22:33.33 | tremon | ,pci-id 1969:e091 |
| 22:33.34 | judd | [1969:e091] is 'Unknown device' from 'Atheros Communications Inc.' with no known kernel module in squeeze or in sid. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=1969:e091 |
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| 22:33.42 | crak32 | I have wheezy |
| 22:33.48 | tremon | ,pci-id 8086:0887 |
| 22:33.49 | judd | [8086:0887] is 'Centrino Wireless-N 2230' from 'Intel Corporation' with kernel module 'ata_generic' in squeeze. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=8086:0887 |
| 22:34.25 | crak32 | How do I install them tremon? |
| 22:34.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | wonders what a "stability fix" is and thinks of a kind of cardboard you put under shaky tables |
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| 22:35.13 | tremon | crak32: your wireless adapter should be supported by the normal iwlwifi driver and doesn't appear to need firmware |
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| 22:35.51 | tremon | crak32: the wired adaptor isn't recognized |
| 22:36.06 | crak32 | ethernet and wi-fi isnt recognized |
| 22:36.10 | crak32 | wi-fi was recognized in ubuntu |
| 22:36.27 | crak32 | maybe eth0 is disabled tremon? |
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| 22:36.50 | aguitel | what is the last stable iceweasel release ? |
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| 22:37.14 | jalalsfs | I can't open NTFS pen-drive in Debian, look at this https://paste.debian.net/233209/ |
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| 22:37.52 | alfplayer | aguitel: 18 |
| 22:37.55 | crak32 | tremon: where can I find the eth0 conf file? |
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| 22:38.05 | jalalsfs | I can open it if I root, but as a user I can't. |
| 22:38.32 | tremon | crak32: /etc/network/interfaces, but if the installer didn't recognize your card, it will be nearly empty |
| 22:38.48 | aguitel | alfplayer, how install this in wheezy ? |
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| 22:39.05 | crak32 | tremon: theres two lines saying "auto lo, iface lo inet loopback" |
| 22:39.12 | joseyluis | all Operative Systems have bugs... tremon thank you by your time. I will revise the politics about this subject. I am evaluating Debian and Illumos (I a more familiar with Solaris) and this is a subject to look. |
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| 22:39.21 | alfplayer | aguitel: http://mozilla.debian.net/ |
| 22:39.42 | aguitel | alfplayer, this is not stable |
| 22:39.42 | alfplayer | aguitel: no, no need, i think it's in the repos |
| 22:39.43 | crak32 | so tremon what can I do about this? |
| 22:39.51 | alfplayer | aguitel: right |
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| 22:40.13 | aguitel | alfplayer, how install with normal repos? |
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| 22:40.48 | alfplayer | aguitel: normal, package "iceweasel" |
| 22:41.06 | alfplayer | aguitel: and the language package if you want |
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| 22:42.27 | aguitel | alfplayer, normal package i see iceweasel 15.0 |
| 22:42.53 | alfplayer | aguitel: upgrade first |
| 22:43.06 | aguitel | alfplayer, i did |
| 22:43.13 | alfplayer | aguitel: when? |
| 22:43.26 | aguitel | alfplayer, every day |
| 22:43.31 | alfplayer | recently? |
| 22:43.43 | aguitel | alfplayer see that:http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=iceweasel |
| 22:44.15 | tremon | crak32: sadly I'm not familiar with configuring wireless devices. can you paste the output of ip link show and lsmod? |
| 22:44.43 | aguitel | alfplayer only in experimental |
| 22:45.33 | alfplayer | aguitel: then you need http://mozilla.debian.net/ |
| 22:45.49 | alfplayer | aguitel: it's for wheezy too |
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| 22:52.39 | Gargantua | can someone do me a favor and pastebin a default /etc/grub.d/00_header for me? |
| 22:53.55 | tremon | crak32: from what I can tell, there is no linux driver for your wired network card. http://www.linuxfoundation.org/collaborate/workgroups/networking/alx lists two drivers for atheros wired networks (of which one isn't in the linux kernel), but nether support your card |
| 22:54.43 | crak32 | that's unfortunate |
| 22:54.52 | Gargantua | Guys? |
| 22:54.54 | tremon | Gargantua: dpkg -x can get it from the source. which release? |
| 22:55.00 | Gargantua | wheezy |
| 22:55.47 | Blue1 | !pastebin |
| 22:55.48 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>. |
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| 22:57.01 | Blue1 | Gargantua: this is what I have: http://paste.debian.net/233222/ |
| 22:57.10 | Gargantua | Thanks. |
| 22:57.22 | Gargantua | I tried the dpkg -x on the .deb for my release and all I got was a /usr |
| 22:57.40 | tremon | http://paste.debian.net/233223/ |
| 22:57.56 | Blue1 | Gargantua: i missed the i at the end - last line should be fi |
| 22:58.14 | Gargantua | No worries, I just editted one line without making a backup like an idiot. |
| 22:58.17 | tremon | whew. now you have two :) |
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| 22:58.55 | Blue1 | yeah rule number one in dealing with computers is to always have a path back to the way it was before you messed it up - and rule number 2, is always follow rule # 1 |
| 22:59.27 | Gargantua | Heh, good advice. |
| 22:59.29 | Gargantua | brb |
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| 22:59.33 | Blue1 | k |
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| 23:02.27 | tremon | crak32: if you're familiar with compiling things yourself, try http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2008332 |
| 23:02.48 | crak32 | i am not, i am a bit of a newbie to linux |
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| 23:05.58 | tremon | crak32: you can download the firmware for your wireless from here: http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=firmware-iwlwifi |
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| 23:06.11 | tremon | that might get at least one of them working |
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| 23:07.39 | crak32 | tremon: I dont see a download option |
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| 23:08.58 | tremon | click on your distribution (squeeze or wheezy, don't remember which you have), then click on architecture: all |
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| 23:10.52 | crak32 | tremon: : is this installation directly or do I have to compile |
| 23:11.44 | tremon | no compilation, just download, put it on a usb stick or the like, and install it on the other machine with dpkg -i or gdebi |
| 23:12.20 | crak32 | okay one minute |
| 23:13.32 | crak32 | installed it tremon, I messed with the eth0 file tho, could that happen to mess it all up? |
| 23:13.54 | crak32 | whenever i do /etc/init.d/networkign restart it says that it cant find eth0 |
| 23:14.36 | tremon | crak32: that's right, because you don't have one (there is no driver). If you add a line allow-hotplug eth0, networking will (iirc) no longer complain |
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| 23:15.01 | tremon | in case you're interested, here is the how and why: http://article.gmane.org/gmane.linux.kernel/1259711 |
| 23:15.46 | crak32 | I added that but still no change, this is my current interfaces conf: |
| 23:15.47 | crak32 | auto eth0 |
| 23:15.54 | crak32 | iface eth0 inet dhcp |
| 23:16.01 | crak32 | allow-hotplug eth0 |
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| 23:17.28 | tremon | long story short, Qualcomm never bothered to write a driver for their Atheros chipsets, the existing linux driver came from other vendors (I'm guessing Red Hat and Novell wrote them). Now Qualcomm wants to rip out the existing linux driver because "theirs" is better, and that's not going to happen |
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| 23:17.55 | nevyn | heh |
| 23:18.40 | tremon | crak32: if you installed the firmware, modprobe iwlwifi and post the output of dmesg|tail |
| 23:18.57 | tremon | oh, posting is hard on a machine with no network connection... |
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| 23:20.16 | tremon | just read the last few lines, see if it still complains about missing firmware |
| 23:20.21 | tremon | otherwise, reboot and try again |
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| 23:21.04 | Fudge | Hi I am looking for raspbian channel, is that covered here? |
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| 23:23.55 | KsM | Fudge: #raspbian maybe? |
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| 23:24.55 | Fudge | oh :$ thanks, didnt check there |
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| 23:41.58 | Jebb | Has any one use AoE with a pxe server? |
| 23:42.04 | Jebb | used* |
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| 23:48.29 | BeWilled | upgraded my iceweasel to RELEASE as stated on http://mozilla.debian.net/. Runing debian on my dell xps17 L01x 64 bits (nvidia graphics card) when opening iceweasel my computer crashes. On the other hand, when closing the monitor (hibernate) the computer freezes too. |
| 23:48.48 | abrotman | the whole computer? |
| 23:49.14 | BeWilled | abrotman: yes, blackscreen sometimes green |
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| 23:51.23 | stack | hello, is there any good manual about packaging for debian? I saw the wiki but it is often dispersive and fragmented, any other adviced source? |
| 23:52.08 | abrotman | dpkg: tell stack about nmg |
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| 23:54.15 | stack | abrotman: thanks, I packaged some programs for personal use but I always felt that I was doning something wrong, like for example dividing libs and binaries shipped upstream in the same package or maintaining the packaging with git in horrible ways. |
| 23:55.50 | stack | also there is a package that I saw was not updated in a long time, and I was wondering if there is any reason, the upstream developer was a little bit complaining about that, I'm talking about gitolite that in debian is still at v2 and if I'm not wrong was last updated april 2012 |
| 23:56.47 | abrotman | dpkg: tell stack about mentors |
| 23:57.16 | stack | abrotman: yes I'm already asking that to the polite dpkg , thanks anyway :) |
| 23:57.49 | abrotman | ah okay |
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