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| 00:26.40 | jhutchins_wk | !nmg |
| 00:26.41 | dpkg | The New Maintainer's Guide (http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/), Developer's Reference and Policy document how packages should be made and how they should interact with each other. Ask me about <package basics>, <mentors>, <policy>, <best practices> or see http://www.debian.org/devel/ , http://wiki.debian.org/Courses2005/BuildingWithoutHelper |
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| 00:26.57 | jhutchins_wk | Ah, missed it, sorry abrotman. |
| 00:27.17 | jhutchins_wk | goes back to fixing dinner. |
| 00:27.53 | dvs | snip snip |
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| 00:39.21 | loki_ | first i m running gns3 network emulator and i have a lot of problems .. the recomendation is to use it as root (eg kdesudo gns3) .. but in this way i cannot use vbox and wireshark in cooperation... So is there any way to add my self to ALL groups (became an admin.. like windows)?? |
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| 00:50.53 | Eryn_1983_FL | hey peeps i get a bad warning when i do fsck -p /dev/sda1 on my alix router.. should i set that file for fsck at boot ? |
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| 00:57.14 | rryoumaa | i'm about to install wheezy. i don't know what processor i have, maybe use i386? so i assume i should try this installation guide? http://www.debian.org/releases/testing/i386/ |
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| 01:01.41 | Towzzer | jrryoumaa, how old is the computer |
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| 01:02.18 | rryoumaa | i think it was oldish in 2008 |
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| 01:03.26 | LtL | rryoumaa: open the case |
| 01:03.55 | MarGarina | rryoumaa: x86_64 is here for quite a long time, longer than most people imagine |
| 01:04.00 | MarGarina | circa 2005-2006 |
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| 01:05.03 | rryoumaa | it was a castoff. it runs an old version of debian. what program do i run to do that? |
| 01:05.10 | rryoumaa | to find out that is |
| 01:05.22 | MarGarina | rryoumaa: cat /proc/cpuinfo |
| 01:05.33 | MarGarina | and dmidecode |
| 01:06.15 | MarGarina | If you see ' lm ' in the flags list of /proc/cpuinfo, it means it supports 64bit |
| 01:06.28 | MarGarina | (lm = long mode) though I'm not 100% sure if you see this if you use a 32bit kernel |
| 01:06.33 | MarGarina | I think you do |
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| 01:07.21 | rryoumaa | ok. thing is the old kernel was built for a different machine, an old athlon dual. but it runs fine |
| 01:09.20 | rryoumaa | i386 will work regardless, right? if so i will blow away hdc1 (which currently boots) and that will preserve all the other data i guess. |
| 01:09.34 | MarGarina | rryoumaa: i386 will work regardless |
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| 01:10.52 | rryoumaa | great |
| 01:11.12 | MarGarina | Can't confirm blowing away your partitions though , better do it safely :) |
| 01:11.22 | rryoumaa | i just realized it is like a 1.5 ghz and 500m of memory so it is likely 32 |
| 01:11.46 | rryoumaa | yeah, still deciding what to blow away. but i think i can't install on hdc3, right, becaue it is not hte first partition? |
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| 01:12.10 | rryoumaa | i do have a tiny partition early on, i think, though |
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| 01:15.45 | wakd | rryoumaa: I think you can install on any partition, as long as your bios can find the partition you put grub on, which is not necessarily the same as where you put everything else |
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| 01:17.31 | rryoumaa | great |
| 01:17.44 | rryoumaa | rebooting, back in a minute |
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| 01:19.14 | rryoumaa | the installation guide seems to suggest that downloading cds is the easiest, but elsewhere i have heard netboot recommended, which i presume is a minimal cd image. which is preferred? |
| 01:19.39 | dvs | rryoumaa: netinst minimal CD |
| 01:19.48 | dvs | rryoumaa: if you have a wired internet connection |
| 01:20.35 | rryoumaa | ok |
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| 01:28.25 | factor | What is the issue resolve for lguest not compiling. |
| 01:28.31 | factor | when compiling the kernel |
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| 01:39.11 | anadon | apt- question: where is the data stored on what programs are installed? |
| 01:39.35 | dvs | anadon: /var/dpkg |
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| 01:40.05 | anadon | dvs: thnaks |
| 01:40.12 | dvs | anadon: /var/lib/dpkg |
| 01:40.34 | aeioufy | Hello. Would anyone mind giving me their ideas? I am trying to find a solid distro to run on a intel atom, 1.6ghz 1gram netbook. |
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| 01:41.05 | dvs | aeioufy: try ##linux |
| 01:41.39 | aeioufy | I cannot speak there.. I read online for the last few hours and was told debian is the most customizable and might be it.. So I came here for a final say.. |
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| 01:43.30 | dvs | aeioufy: Well, people here won't be objective about any other distro. |
| 01:43.47 | MrMiko | Can anyone help me with this problem with apt? http://pastebin.com/6TK9EEmS |
| 01:44.28 | Towzzer | try dpkg --reconfigure *perl* |
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| 01:45.29 | MrMiko | Thanks Towzzer, I'll try that. |
| 01:46.37 | MrMiko | OK, so --reconfigure is erroring out as not an option. |
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| 01:47.16 | MrMiko | But dpkg-reconfigure is a thing. |
| 01:47.32 | MrMiko | So I ran that and got the same error as in the pastebin. |
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| 01:58.23 | ctmjr | MrMiko: you might try in the #raspbian channel maybe someone there can help |
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| 01:59.26 | LVLAaron | What's the debian testing kernel version right now? newer than 3.7? |
| 01:59.59 | dvs | nope, 3.2 |
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| 02:00.23 | LVLAaron | :( |
| 02:00.37 | LVLAaron | really wanted to give this a go |
| 02:00.40 | LVLAaron | https://github.com/stec-inc/EnhanceIO/blob/master/Install.txt |
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| 02:02.38 | LVLAaron | How about unstable? |
| 02:03.01 | dvs | ,kernel |
| 02:03.14 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 3.7-trunk-686-pae (3.7.3-1~experimental.1); sid: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.35-2); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.35-2); squeeze-backports: 3.2.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.2.35-2~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-46); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-35~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-29) |
| 02:03.40 | LVLAaron | experimental = testing? |
| 02:03.44 | LVLAaron | or wheezy = testing? |
| 02:03.46 | LVLAaron | I hate codnames |
| 02:03.49 | LVLAaron | code* |
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| 02:04.35 | dvs | !experimental |
| 02:04.35 | dpkg | experimental is the bleeding edge of Debian Development. Packages here have been deemed unfit/DANGEROUS/untrustworthy/etc for release by the maintainer responsible for them. DO NOT INSTALL PACKAGES FROM EXPERIMENTAL WITHOUT KNOWING EXACTLY WHY AND WHAT YOU ARE DOING. #debian does _not_ support experimental. For an actual description, see section 4.6.4.3 of the Developer's Reference. http://packages.debian.org/experimental/ |
| 02:05.10 | LVLAaron | Is it a bad idea to install 3.7 into testing? |
| 02:05.20 | LVLAaron | if that's even possible |
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| 02:06.49 | nkuttler | LVLAaron: worst case you reboot, right? |
| 02:07.05 | LVLAaron | Yup |
| 02:07.17 | nkuttler | so who cares :) |
| 02:07.45 | LVLAaron | I mean, if it's complex and promises to give me immediate headaches.... I'll avoid it. |
| 02:08.38 | nkuttler | LVLAaron: oh, but with packaged kernels you should look out for other dependencies that might get pulled in.. |
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| 02:09.07 | nkuttler | i'd probably rather build from source than to install a kernel from experimental |
| 02:09.33 | LVLAaron | Hmm. |
| 02:09.38 | LVLAaron | builds a vm |
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| 02:09.59 | LVLAaron | I haven't built my own kernel since slackware 8 or 9 |
| 02:11.30 | nkuttler | yeah, not really worth the hassle nowadays |
| 02:12.28 | LVLAaron | ugh. I think that leaves me with (as far as major distros) Fedora for kern 2.7 |
| 02:12.30 | LVLAaron | 3.7 |
| 02:13.00 | LVLAaron | Anyway, I highly reccomend trying out flashcache if you have the means. https://github.com/facebook/flashcache/ |
| 02:13.10 | nkuttler | LVLAaron: or backport the experimental package i guess, but it could install cleanly on wheezy, who knows |
| 02:13.30 | nkuttler | already has / on ssd everywhere |
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| 02:14.10 | LVLAaron | I took my old Vertex 2 ssd and put it in front of a 1.5tb disk I keep junk on. works in progress and testing vms. makes a huge difference. |
| 02:15.43 | nkuttler | yeah, certainly sounds interesting if you work with so much data that it doesn't fit on an ssd |
| 02:16.14 | LVLAaron | Do projects like crunchbang annoy anyone else? It's a cool DE... but to re-distribute an entire OS. Why not just package up a DE for me to install? |
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| 02:20.48 | LVLAaron | http://www.ubuntubuzz.com/2012/12/how-to-install-linux-kernel-371-on.html |
| 02:20.49 | LVLAaron | jackpot! |
| 02:21.53 | nkuttler | LVLAaron: really? at least experimental is Debian |
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| 02:23.20 | LVLAaron | it's actually for a desktop... I prefer the fancies of Mint |
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| 02:36.46 | mr_dallas | trying to apt-get upgrade, getting a 'unary operator expected' on some packages, rendering system unusable - any ideas on how to fix this? |
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| 02:39.32 | aeioufy | Is there a version of debian just right for an acer aspire one netbook with 16.ghz and 1g ram? |
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| 02:39.58 | LVLAaron | just right? |
| 02:40.16 | LVLAaron | any version should work for you |
| 02:40.24 | STMelon | aeioufy: you could try http://crunchbang.org/ |
| 02:40.28 | LVLAaron | *I* like XFCE for a desktop. |
| 02:40.51 | aeioufy | I keep getting redirected to a :You should try this. went to this page, went to that one. came here as suggested. |
| 02:41.58 | STMelon | <- has a netbook, and really anything i've thrown at it, fedora, ubuntu,mint opensuse, debian, sabayon etc has worked |
| 02:42.12 | STMelon | its more of a personal preference as to what distro you want |
| 02:42.13 | Towzzer | because of the low amount of ram and processor speed I would recommend lxde or xfce |
| 02:42.14 | aeioufy | I am very new to linux |
| 02:42.18 | aeioufy | Three days new. |
| 02:42.24 | STMelon | debian, squeeze should be fine |
| 02:42.28 | aeioufy | GIving up on windows, so please help. |
| 02:42.38 | STMelon | wheezy will be the next stable version, with updated drivers, kernel |
| 02:43.18 | aeioufy | I have an iso of wheezy on my usb, its bootable.. |
| 02:43.22 | LVLAaron | aeioufy, just try one. |
| 02:43.25 | STMelon | 3 days new to linux, no offence, but i wouldnt recommend debian then.. nothing against it.. just not quite newbish |
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| 02:43.34 | aeioufy | I did. |
| 02:43.46 | LVLAaron | aeioufy, and? |
| 02:44.03 | aeioufy | I came here to see if I could find any suggestions on one that one fry my netbook |
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| 02:44.29 | aeioufy | Ubuntu 64bit was too much. |
| 02:44.50 | STMelon | unity uses 3d acceleration, abit more ... heavy |
| 02:44.51 | LVLAaron | aeioufy, Gnome3 is what fried it. |
| 02:45.17 | aeioufy | Omg, so just try one was some jack advice. |
| 02:45.36 | STMelon | sighs |
| 02:45.53 | mr_dallas | anyone seen anything like my problem with apt-get ? |
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| 02:53.05 | Infiltrator | mr_dallas: Could you please pastebin it? The command and everything that comes after it. |
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| 03:02.30 | MrMiko | ctmjr: I did try #raspbian The channel is something of a ghost-town. |
| 03:03.26 | MrMiko | ctmjr: OK, that's strange. It WAS a ghost-town. I just checked now, and there are over 200 people in there now, instead of the 12 a couple of days ago. |
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| 03:03.52 | tzarc | perhaps you were in there when there was a netsplit - they've had a few recently |
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| 03:11.19 | mr_dallas | towzzer - you get my response? |
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| 03:15.23 | mr_dallas | gott get some work done |
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| 03:20.44 | ex-parrot | can anyone confirm if Wheezy is going to come with the weird "new" Gnome or with something that largely resembles Gnome in Squeeze? |
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| 03:21.21 | Towzzer | weird new |
| 03:21.22 | ex-parrot | I thought I'd seen on a mailing list that the intention was to keep the desktop style from Squeeze for the forseeable future, but I see Wheezy is currently going to ship with Gnome 3.4 |
| 03:21.36 | ex-parrot | crap :( |
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| 03:23.04 | ex-parrot | oh I see, the shipped 3.4 will provide a "fallback" option to the normal gnome desktop? |
| 03:23.29 | ex-parrot | if so, is that fallback option crippled in any way compared to the squeeze gnome desktop? |
| 03:23.41 | tjiggi_fo | I wouldn't call it weird new, I'd call it rather slick |
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| 03:26.01 | ex-parrot | I am not sure if I should be preparing some kind of XFCE alternative plan for our office if the users revolt 8^) |
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| 03:30.23 | mithro-desktop | I think dpkg-divert might be what I'm after? |
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| 03:42.25 | r3m | the last two stables release were released on february, is the next stable comming soon? |
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| 03:47.29 | Infiltrator | r3m: If it's ready soon. |
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| 03:48.47 | r3m | yeah of course |
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| 03:54.39 | lind | Is that what they are aiming for? This month if things go as planned??? |
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| 03:56.46 | drphitheta | Hey, what's the package I need to install to send mail to remote domains? I'm using mutt |
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| 03:56.59 | drphitheta | On wheezy, sendmail required a pkg not in repos |
| 03:57.06 | r3m | even if it is release when it is ready im sure they try to release a stable each 2 years |
| 03:57.10 | lind | postfix? |
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| 03:57.48 | lind | I worked at a ISP and we ditched sendmail for postfix |
| 03:57.58 | lind | more secure for one |
| 03:58.45 | drphitheta | Giving it a shot, thanks. |
| 03:58.56 | lind | np :) |
| 03:59.03 | drphitheta | Is there a smtp daemon to start? |
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| 03:59.31 | r3m | http://wiki.debian.org/Postfix |
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| 04:03.09 | njvic | is there an issue with security.debian.org currently? not getting much response from two independent internet connections |
| 04:03.45 | njvic | stuck on "waiting for headers" |
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| 04:03.58 | r3m | here its fine |
| 04:04.05 | njvic | hmm.. ok |
| 04:04.52 | njvic | sorry my bad |
| 04:05.10 | njvic | Err http://ftp.au.debian.org squeeze Release.gpg Connection failed |
| 04:05.28 | njvic | i'll try a different mirror |
| 04:05.50 | lind | Is there like a IRC party when the wheezy releases |
| 04:06.00 | lind | ubuntu does that |
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| 04:06.11 | r3m | lind: maybe on OFTC irc network the official place for debian |
| 04:06.13 | njvic | lol |
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| 04:06.17 | r3m | here i never see that |
| 04:06.24 | eikenberry | there is also esmtp and ssmtp. either of which are good if you just need a forwarder. |
| 04:06.32 | drphitheta | When is the official release of wheezy? |
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| 04:06.56 | drphitheta | 'When it's ready' ? |
| 04:06.56 | r3m | drphitheta: when ready but im sure its soon, last two stable were release in february at each 2 years |
| 04:06.57 | lind | what the irc server addy r3m ? |
| 04:07.23 | eikenberry | based on bug counts wheezy is probably a month or 2 off still. |
| 04:07.24 | r3m | lind: irc.oftc.net |
| 04:07.27 | eikenberry | http://richardhartmann.de/blog/posts/2013/02/09-Debian_Release_Critical_Bug_report_for_Week_06/ |
| 04:07.36 | lind | ok thx |
| 04:07.38 | r3m | oh |
| 04:07.42 | eikenberry | compare countdown of wheezy to squeeze |
| 04:07.44 | r3m | thnks eikenberry |
| 04:07.46 | drphitheta | r3m: Cool, so then.. wheezy becomes stable. sid is perma unstable, right? then they give a new name to the snapshot of sid? |
| 04:08.02 | njvic | but on the bright side, awesome that it is frozen :) better than still leading up to frozen :) |
| 04:08.04 | r3m | drphitheta: it will be jessie |
| 04:08.10 | r3m | i think |
| 04:08.29 | zykotick9 | "jessie will be wheezy+1" from /topic |
| 04:08.30 | drphitheta | r3m: Toy story3 added a few more characters. |
| 04:08.34 | tapout | which mailer is recommended on debian again? |
| 04:08.49 | r3m | drphitheta: yes |
| 04:08.51 | tapout | i forget which provides the /usr/bin/sendmail ... it's something close to postfix |
| 04:09.07 | r3m | is postfix installed by default on debian? |
| 04:09.23 | njvic | exim is default isn't it? |
| 04:09.24 | drphitheta | r3m: Not on wheezy |
| 04:09.24 | r3m | i dont remember if i installed it manually |
| 04:09.30 | r3m | oh ok exim yes |
| 04:09.34 | tapout | exim! yes |
| 04:09.35 | tapout | thanks |
| 04:09.43 | njvic | np |
| 04:10.32 | njvic | watched TPB AFK last night, very interesting.. |
| 04:11.19 | r3m | hmm njvic i just googled it, look interesting |
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| 04:22.47 | njvic | ok tried another mirror, i get Release file expired for squeeze-updates |
| 04:23.16 | njvic | date/time is correct on my system |
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| 04:23.53 | r3m | njvic: try another mirror |
| 04:24.23 | njvic | so that's both ftp.au.debian.org and mirror.optus.net that I have has no success with, but yes, will keep trying :) |
| 04:25.15 | r3m | njvic: apt-get debmirror |
| 04:25.31 | r3m | then run debmirror |
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| 04:30.02 | r3m | njvic: sorry i misread, debmirror is not the solution |
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| 04:30.34 | njvic | Cannot initiate the connection to ftp.au.debian.org:80 (2001:388:30bc:cafe::beef) |
| 04:30.40 | njvic | which is not surprising |
| 04:30.46 | njvic | as i don't have ipv6 support |
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| 06:09.29 | JoeBlacken | Hi, I'm trying to run a code, and I'm getting the following error in syslog "Feb 8 10:05:51 machine1 kernel: [672061.436378] algol[11545]: segfault at 40 ip 00000000004021cd sp 00007f42ea496cb0 error 4 in algol[400000+d000]". What does that mean? |
| 06:10.32 | KsM | the binary is faulty and is causing a memory error |
| 06:10.36 | KsM | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Segfault |
| 06:11.23 | JoeBlacken | is 40 the line number? |
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| 06:35.54 | arthurdent | I can't seem to get pdf-latexsuite to do anything in vim :| |
| 06:36.01 | arthurdent | is there something I have to do? |
| 06:36.41 | arthurdent | i did the first part of the readme where you add some stuff to your vimrc |
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| 08:31.26 | neon__ | I have very disturbing IOWAITs . Please help me find the reason |
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| 08:43.52 | digdilem_ | neon__, iotop, htop are handy tools. Also check syslog, messages and dmesg for any hardware issues with the drives. smartctl may also be of interest |
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| 08:44.35 | cardiel | n |
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| 08:47.12 | neon__ | I managed to go to console and kill the offending process |
| 08:47.18 | neon__ | but it is not just that process |
| 08:47.26 | neon__ | any process can trigger it |
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| 08:54.44 | neon__ | lowmem_reserve[]: 0 3255 4013 4013 ? |
| 08:55.09 | neon__ | Node 0 Normal: 343*4kB 278*8kB 197*16kB 35*32kB 5*64kB 0*128kB 0*256kB 0*512kB 0*1024kB 0*2048kB 1*4096kB = 12284kB |
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| 08:56.13 | neon__ | maybe I'll pastebin |
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| 08:57.57 | neon__ | anything interesting there ? http://paste.debian.net/233277/ |
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| 08:59.41 | neon__ | kernel: [805691.241771] gnome-system-mo[31897]: segfault at 70 ip 00007fad098ad7d0 sp 00007fff10080cb8 error 4 in libgdk-3.so.0.400.2[7fad0986e000+7b000] |
| 09:00.28 | neon__ | I am running without swap btw |
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| 09:29.59 | jmd | This bug http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=657802 seems to have re-appeared with 6.0.6 |
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| 09:31.53 | thereisnospoon | is there a simple way to grab a package list from 1 debian install to drop onto another box? switching from spindle to ssd and was intending to do a fresh install while i was at it |
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| 09:34.20 | jpw | thereisnospoon: dpkg -l | awk '{ print $2 }' > packages |
| 09:34.29 | jpw | then on the other box |
| 09:34.35 | jpw | apt-get install < packages |
| 09:35.06 | thereisnospoon | jpw, thanks, wasnt expecting it to be that easy |
| 09:35.27 | jpw | np copying across configs is a manual business though |
| 09:35.59 | thereisnospoon | jpw, yea i was intending to diff -uR it for that part of it |
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| 09:43.25 | jmd | When is wheezy being released? |
| 09:43.48 | jpw | jmd: when the release critical bug list has been cleared |
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| 09:44.55 | jpw | jmd: http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/ look at the green line... |
| 09:45.26 | shomon | hi, anyone good with encfs? |
| 09:45.42 | shomon | or is there a good place to ask? I'm trying to set it up so I can read a dropbox folder from 2 computers |
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| 09:46.14 | babilen | dpkg: tell shomon -about encfs |
| 09:46.17 | jmd | jpw: It looks as if, as soon as it is about to clear it suddenly jumps up again! |
| 09:46.34 | babilen | dpkg: tell thereisnospoon -about aptitude clone |
| 09:46.54 | shomon | https://we.riseup.net/debian/encrypted-folder-using-encfs <-- not found |
| 09:47.05 | shomon | maybe it was in the computer the feds took off riseup |
| 09:47.06 | babilen | oh, thanks ... I'll fix that |
| 09:47.10 | jmd | The criteria is wrong. |
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| 09:47.34 | jmd | It should be, that a realease is made, as soon as the blue line is higher than the green line. |
| 09:47.44 | viller | was there a dpkg flag that made the package installed package visible in synaptic? |
| 09:47.58 | shomon | thanks babilen |
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| 09:49.22 | themill | jmd: your suggestion doesn't take into account that people have had 2 more years to find bugs in squeeze -- each release would just get more and more buggy with that way of releasing |
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| 09:49.54 | shomon | hmm, I can install encfs, run it, create an encrypted partition/directory on dropbox.. and I see it now on this second computer |
| 09:49.54 | shakaponk | hey guyz, my debian installation contains 3 partitions: /, /home and swap, all of them are primary. could they be logical too? at least home |
| 09:50.15 | shomon | but when I create it again (encfs /path/to/root /path/to/dropboxstuff) |
| 09:50.22 | shomon | it says "not empty"... |
| 09:50.25 | shomon | which is a fuse error |
| 09:50.30 | viller | I'm stupid, it is visible |
| 09:51.03 | shomon | "fuse: mountpoint is not empty".. so how can I change fuse parameters when I'm only calling encfs? |
| 09:51.15 | jpw | shomon: encfs <path to encrypted filesystem> <where to mount it> |
| 09:51.58 | babilen | thereisnospoon: By using that method you keep information about automatically and manually installed packages. The method jpw mentioned does not do that (and should use "dpkg --get-seletions" and "dpkg --set-selections" anyway |
| 09:52.14 | thereisnospoon | babilen, oh thanks |
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| 09:52.28 | shomon | jpw it still gives the mount error from fuse |
| 09:53.18 | babilen | shakaponk: They are not logical (i.e. in an extended) if they are primary. |
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| 09:53.53 | jpw | shomon: are you sure that the directory in the first parameter is empty? |
| 09:54.05 | shakaponk | babilen: i know, but i would like to use an extended. is it possible with debian? |
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| 09:54.27 | shomon | what first parameter? Maybe I put it in /etc/fuse.conf |
| 09:54.56 | babilen | shakaponk: Sure, that should be absolutely no problem. If you create a new partition in partman during the install you will be asked what you want to create. Plenty of setups use logical partitions. |
| 09:55.00 | shomon | aah the directory.. sorry |
| 09:55.18 | shomon | jpw: no that directory is not empty |
| 09:55.30 | shomon | it contains all the encrypted stuff I put on there from my first computer |
| 09:55.39 | shakaponk | babilen: but i suppose it is not possible afterwards :-D |
| 09:55.41 | shomon | I was hopign I could connect to it from this one and unencrypt it |
| 09:56.32 | jpw | shomon: you should be able too... encfs just createds a set of files. |
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| 09:56.39 | babilen | shakaponk: I guess that you can fiddle with the partitions, but I have never done what you plan to do, so I can't give you a hand. (gparted and similar tools /might/ be able to) -- Why do you want/need to? |
| 09:56.44 | shomon | my problem is how to tell fuse it's already full |
| 09:56.49 | shomon | so it doesn't just give that error |
| 09:56.56 | shomon | I mean not full, but non empty |
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| 09:57.23 | jpw | shomon: try using `encfs -v` to see if it gives any more information |
| 09:58.01 | shomon | no, same error message |
| 09:58.05 | shomon | mount point is not empty |
| 09:58.13 | shakaponk | babilen: i've installed debian using three different partitions, as said / /home and /swap, and now i want a similiar solution for windows, one partition for c: and one for private data. but no more mbr slots |
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| 09:58.20 | shomon | fuse: if you are sure this is safe, use the 'nonempty' mount option |
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| 09:58.35 | shomon | but I can't figure out how to use that nonempty option |
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| 09:59.46 | shomon | ah got it! |
| 09:59.52 | shomon | it's encfs -o nonempty mydir otherdir |
| 10:00.01 | shomon | and as root for fuse to work... :S |
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| 10:04.09 | EasyAsPie | hi |
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| 10:06.15 | jelly | shomon: huh, encfs works as user here |
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| 10:10.16 | babilen | jelly: Member of the fuse group? |
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| 10:10.37 | jelly | sure |
| 10:10.58 | babilen | might be it (no idea, never used encfs) |
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| 10:11.26 | jelly | it's just another fuser-based thingy |
| 10:11.32 | jelly | fuse |
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| 10:36.43 | shomon | did I miss a netsplit? |
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| 10:37.15 | shomon | ah jelly maybe I need to add myself to a fuser group or similar |
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| 10:40.26 | hellyeah | what does atd stands for? |
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| 10:40.50 | KsM | at daemon |
| 10:41.50 | hellyeah | is it really necessary |
| 10:42.19 | themill | hellyeah: it is if you want commands to run via at. |
| 10:43.06 | hellyeah | like at ls |
| 10:43.09 | hellyeah | ? |
| 10:44.46 | themill | see at(1) |
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| 10:47.17 | Posterdati | hi |
| 10:47.21 | hellyeah | hey |
| 10:47.32 | Posterdati | is there any good software to save webcam output in an avi file? |
| 10:48.28 | Posterdati | a webcam recorder |
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| 10:48.55 | LinaSovereign | Hey ! |
| 10:49.12 | wsky | Posterdati: vlc |
| 10:49.18 | moetunes | I think most vid players can do that |
| 10:49.21 | Posterdati | wsky: ah! |
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| 10:50.19 | jelly | hellyeah: the OS itself typically does not use at, so if your users don't need it either, you can disable the service |
| 10:50.35 | shomon | avidemux is good for converting between formats if needed |
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| 10:51.16 | jpw | Posterdati: mplayer is definetly capible of doing this. can't remember the commands off the top of my head though. |
| 10:51.31 | Posterdati | ok tx |
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| 10:56.09 | blubberdiblub | avahi can be used for service discovery and ip address autoconfiguration in an environment without dhcp (zeroconf). if you don't need both of that, you can get rid of it |
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| 11:19.55 | Hardisk | Anybody ever runned a headless Virtualbox on a server? I'm having a dumb error |
| 11:20.30 | Hardisk | When I launch up my headless VM and VNC into it I read : FATAL : Cannot read boot medium (wanna read into an ISO from the DVD drive) , I think I set everything up right at least as i'm aware of |
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| 11:44.49 | reavengrey | Hey, I have this really weird problem with my broadcom wifi 4313 series chip |
| 11:45.03 | reavengrey | Of course, the broadcome series seems to give trouble in general |
| 11:45.18 | reavengrey | But in my case, the driver "works" when I am very close to the signal source |
| 11:45.30 | reavengrey | But if I move more than ~5 metres away |
| 11:45.33 | reavengrey | I can't connect |
| 11:45.46 | reavengrey | On windows 7, it's able to connect from any location within range |
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| 11:46.18 | reavengrey | On debian and ubuntu, it will scan and find the networks, but be unable to connect unless I am /right/ next to the router |
| 11:46.43 | reavengrey | I've tried all the different drivers (b43, brcmsmac, etc) |
| 11:46.51 | reavengrey | Followed this http://www.broadcom.com/docs/linux_sta/README.txt |
| 11:46.57 | reavengrey | Etc, etc |
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| 11:47.22 | reavengrey | My final option is probably to try using ndiswrapper, so that's what I'm going to try now |
| 11:47.37 | reavengrey | If anyone somehow knows anything about this, please give me a ping |
| 11:47.45 | reavengrey | Or PM me or w/e |
| 11:47.50 | reavengrey | ty ty, love you all <3 |
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| 11:48.15 | babilen | reavengrey: IIRC that adaptor is quite a pain in the arse and only supported by brcm80211 and wl (see "/msg dpkg BCM4313", "/msg dpkg wl" and ... for all <...>) |
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| 11:48.46 | reavengrey | Right, thanks a lot |
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| 11:48.51 | reavengrey | Any info is useful at this point |
| 11:48.56 | KsM | well the link he posted earlier is for wl |
| 11:48.59 | KsM | 05:46.52 < reavengrey> Followed this http://www.broadcom.com/docs/linux_sta/README.txt |
| 11:49.05 | reavengrey | Yea, I got the wl.ko module |
| 11:49.10 | reavengrey | Installed it, depmod -a |
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| 11:49.22 | reavengrey | Nothing, can still only connect if I'm right next to the signal |
| 11:49.23 | KsM | and how did that one work? |
| 11:49.27 | KsM | oh |
| 11:49.35 | reavengrey | Same result as what comes with "vanilla" debian/ubuntu |
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| 11:49.53 | reavengrey | Keep in mind that the windows driver connects from anywhere in the house |
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| 11:51.49 | babilen | reavengrey: Yeah, it is not so much a problem with the hardware itself as with broadcom not providing reasonable drivers for Linux or specs for the open source community. I am, however, not intimately familiar with that hardware (I try not to buy broadcom hardware) and you might have luck. I simply remember a bunch of people having problems with that hardware and us having a lot of work to talk people through all the options. |
| 11:52.36 | babilen | reavengrey: #linux-wireless might know something I don't |
| 11:52.39 | reavengrey | Right, no problem -- at any rate, I've been managing for a long time by doing my work on debian, then booting windows and pushing commits, etc |
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| 11:52.55 | reavengrey | Right, np, and thanks a lot for the help guys |
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| 12:01.02 | babilen | reavengrey: One thing that pops into my mind is investigating power saving settings with the linux modules. modinfo should list options and you might be able to disable power saving and/or boost the signal ... Not sure what you can do with these particular modules, but that is one route that might proof worthwhile to pursue. |
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| 12:07.08 | reavengrey | Thanks |
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| 12:08.01 | reavengrey | Sadly though, none of the modules in the stack list a power control parameter, and iwconfig wlan0 power off doesn't work either: "Operation not supported" |
| 12:08.22 | reavengrey | I'm just betting everything on the ndiswrapper lol |
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| 12:09.14 | blubberdiblub | reavengrey, what about "iw"? |
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| 12:10.25 | reavengrey | Well, I'm stumped there -- not sure what iw is |
| 12:10.42 | reavengrey | Doesn't do anything when I type it on the command line lol |
| 12:10.43 | blubberdiblub | the newer wireless configuration tool |
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| 12:11.01 | blubberdiblub | doesn't do anything? |
| 12:11.12 | reavengrey | Well, I'll install it and see |
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| 12:13.59 | blubberdiblub | at least it should be able to print a very detailed report of the available capabilities |
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| 12:14.47 | blubberdiblub | i haven't used it manually a lot. my router uses it extensively |
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| 12:15.58 | reavengrey | Tbh, I have no idea how to use it, and the "iw dev wlan0 info" command doesn't print much: |
| 12:16.11 | reavengrey | Interface wlan0 ifindex 3 type managed |
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| 12:16.21 | reavengrey | ^ on separate lines |
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| 12:16.34 | reavengrey | I'll tackle this after I finish trying the ndiswrapper |
| 12:16.57 | reavengrey | At least then I can dedicate focus to properly reading about how to use it |
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| 12:17.37 | babilen | reavengrey: I guess that simply investing in proper hardware is not an option, or is it? |
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| 12:17.44 | blubberdiblub | try to examine the phy instead of the dev |
| 12:18.12 | reavengrey | babilen: Not at this point -- uni student, parents bought the laptop |
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| 12:19.53 | babilen | reavengrey: Which version of Debian and which kernel do you try? |
| 12:19.57 | blubberdiblub | reavengrey, iw phy phy0 info |
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| 12:20.58 | reavengrey | babilen: Running 6.0.5, 2.6.32, and I also installed the backports kernel for 3.x.something, and tried the brcmsmac from there too |
| 12:21.08 | babilen | reavengrey: Yeah, wasn't sure if it is a laptop. You can either try newer kernels (e.g. 3.7 from experimental or 3.2 from backports or upgrading to wheezy if you are running squeeze or ...) and wireless-tools or acquire a USB stick with atheros or so. |
| 12:21.21 | reavengrey | blubberdiblub: A lot more info, idk if you want to see paste |
| 12:21.29 | reavengrey | blubberdiblub: it's probably all blur |
| 12:21.34 | blubberdiblub | reavengrey, the "wlan0" dev is just a virtual thing. an abstraction, on top of the physical interface. ifconfig hides that layered abstraction from the user but in turn is less flexible |
| 12:21.38 | reavengrey | nothing strikes me very hard just from looking |
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| 12:21.57 | trhsyyfgdh | hey, is there a program for linux for the complete survalance of an user? |
| 12:22.07 | blubberdiblub | reavengrey, so there's nothing power related in that output? |
| 12:22.39 | reavengrey | Mm, looking again, yes, Static SM power save -- lemme google that real quick |
| 12:23.16 | shomon | trhsyyfgdh: surveillance?? |
| 12:23.39 | abrotman | trhsyyfgdh: audit perhaps ... not sure what you mean by complete |
| 12:23.42 | blubberdiblub | reavengrey, i thought more along the lines of Tx and Rx Power, signal strength, damping, dB values, etc. |
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| 12:24.25 | babilen | reavengrey: if you want to pursue the wheezy + 3.7 from experimental route: http://www.debian.org/releases/wheezy/amd64/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html |
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| 12:24.44 | JPeterson | how do i pipe to program run as sudo? as in `curl url|sudo patch` |
| 12:25.51 | trhsyyfgdh | i man with keylogging, takeing pictures/desktop vidieos |
| 12:26.16 | trhsyyfgdh | *mean |
| 12:26.20 | abrotman | trhsyyfgdh: which distro? |
| 12:26.28 | trhsyyfgdh | debian mint |
| 12:26.44 | abrotman | trhsyyfgdh: ask the mint channel or ##linux, thanks |
| 12:26.50 | woshty | can someone point me to documentation on the debian package version numbering system? |
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| 12:27.07 | reavengrey | ugh, too much reading to do at once to understand iw...I'll look into this after the |
| 12:27.11 | reavengrey | ndiswrapper |
| 12:27.18 | abrotman | woshty: thought that was in the policy doc? |
| 12:27.20 | reavengrey | Dw guys, I'll do some more research |
| 12:27.22 | reavengrey | thanks a lot |
| 12:27.55 | abrotman | JPeterson: put the whole command in quotes for sudo perhaps |
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| 12:27.59 | tgs3 | I want to edit manuallt /mnt/other-debian/etc/shadow and set root password to foobar, how to do that correctly? there are some sugessions to use openssl makepasswd etc |
| 12:28.57 | ksk | tgs3: chroot into it and call passwd command? |
| 12:29.13 | tgs3 | ksk: I wand to do it manually |
| 12:29.44 | tgs3 | (one of reasons is because I can not chroot into it because it's 64 bit and im editing from 32 bit livecd) |
| 12:29.45 | ksk | you can always put a hash inside /etc/shadow anyway ( but be aware that you will have the same hashes everywhere, not using different salts like you would do otherwise) |
| 12:30.08 | JPeterson | abrotman: it returns an error http://pastebin.com/U8VS2r6v |
| 12:30.11 | tgs3 | ksk: right, but which method is recommended now? |
| 12:30.28 | tgs3 | I found for example openssl passwd -1 -salt somesalt |
| 12:30.45 | ksk | tgs3: passwd has -R option, take a look at that |
| 12:30.55 | ksk | leave openssl pls, its not a kind of tool for that problem imho |
| 12:31.01 | woshty | abrotman: i am confused by that double version numbering used for linux-image .. i will take a look at policy doc |
| 12:31.07 | abrotman | JPeterson: ugh, sudo perms dont extend past the pipe? |
| 12:31.17 | abrotman | woshty: example? |
| 12:31.36 | abrotman | JPeterson: i thought the quote would help |
| 12:31.38 | tgs3 | -r, --repository REPOSITORY change password in REPOSITORY repository |
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| 12:31.52 | tgs3 | I assume repository means "file name like /etc/shadow"? not well documented imo |
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| 12:32.31 | JPeterson | abrotman: maybe i should do sudo sh -c '' |
| 12:33.00 | ksk | tgs3: you are reading the manpage? what you pasted differs from mine |
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| 12:33.13 | blubberdiblub | abrotman, JPeterson, they look like backticks instead of quotes in the paste |
| 12:33.21 | tgs3 | ksk: yeah, its from man passwd on debian stable. what is yours |
| 12:33.22 | abrotman | JPeterson: eh, really? |
| 12:33.25 | ksk | tgs3: ah sorry, squeezes passwd does not have that switch, forget about it |
| 12:33.31 | abrotman | JPeterson: try double quoyes |
| 12:33.33 | woshty | abrotman: something like linux-image-3.2.0-4-amd64 (3.2.35-2) |
| 12:33.37 | ksk | tried on sid.. |
| 12:33.48 | abrotman | woshty: which part is double? |
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| 12:34.17 | woshty | abrotman: the .0 |
| 12:34.25 | abrotman | woshty: first part is the kernel ABI version, second is the source version IIRC |
| 12:34.25 | JPeterson | abrotman: the first sudo argument is a command |
| 12:34.25 | ksk | tgs3: then no idea, sorry :P if you just want to do that once id suggest setting up another user with passwd where it is working and paste the password/hash into the other shadow-file |
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| 12:34.55 | woshty | abrotman: ah, and the ABI Version is called 3.2.0 then? |
| 12:34.57 | abrotman | woshty: i'd guess that tied to the original source version |
| 12:35.08 | abrotman | !tell woshy about kernel abi |
| 12:35.11 | abrotman | ugh |
| 12:35.31 | abrotman | dpkg: tell woshty about kernel abi |
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| 12:36.32 | abrotman | woshty: no the abi version is the -4- |
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| 12:37.33 | woshty | abrotman: thx .. reading http://kernel-handbook.alioth.debian.org/ch-versions.html :) |
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| 12:37.55 | abrotman | mkay |
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| 12:43.14 | jlj | is there a way to get a newer firefox in testing? preferably as a deb packet |
| 12:44.36 | abrotman | !tell jlj about mdn |
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| 12:49.35 | jlj | abrotman: do I have to upgrade the entire distro to experimental to get ffox 18 ? |
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| 12:55.30 | jlj | abrotman: nevermind I think I got it, thanks |
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| 12:59.17 | jmd | uilios, Please pastebin the contents of /etc/shadow |
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| 13:00.29 | jnewt | so if i dd a disk, it moves the cylinders / heads / sectors too. how to "fix" them for the new size of the new disk? |
| 13:00.41 | jnewt | btw the new disk is a flash module |
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| 13:02.44 | jmd | jnewt: No. dd is nothing other than a cp with some archaic syntax. |
| 13:02.45 | damel | was wondering what your thoughts on best databases would be? Is there a better channel to ask this in? thx :) |
| 13:03.07 | jmd | damel: It depends on what you mean by "best". |
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| 13:03.47 | damel | well I was trying to install mysql-server the other day..had problems...and when I was in here someone said psql was much better |
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| 13:04.21 | jmd | It may well be better for some purposes ... but not so good for others. |
| 13:04.37 | damel | and well I have never really asked the question myself because I have been using mysql so long. So for websites, with php I'm looking for 'free' databases that are good :) |
| 13:05.18 | jmd | For example, if your databases are going to be no more than a few thousand records, I would recommend you consider the GNU recutils. |
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| 13:05.27 | damel | advantages of the database...etc or just general thoughts (not sure It is here I should be asking this though) |
| 13:05.33 | jmd | That's really easy to install! |
| 13:05.54 | jpw | damel, what are your requirements? |
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| 13:06.07 | jmd | If they have debian packages, here is on topic. |
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| 13:07.07 | damel | debian, apache2, php5.4 more then 1 millons lines in the table |
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| 13:07.28 | damel | with a lot of tables...at least 250 |
| 13:07.41 | damel | not all with 1 million lines of course :) |
| 13:08.13 | jnewt | jmd: well, then i'm lost. tried to dd a disk to a new flash module, and it won't boot in the old pc. |
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| 13:08.44 | jpw | any third party code that would depend on particular SQL features such as full text searching |
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| 13:09.50 | blubberdiblub | jnewt, if it's an old PC, the bios of the PC might be too brain damaged to boot it properly |
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| 13:10.36 | damel | full text serching could be a plus but I doubt will be needed |
| 13:10.58 | jnewt | blubberdiblub, that's why i was thinking i needed to change / fix the chs |
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| 13:12.01 | blubberdiblub | jnewt, that might not help. but you could try |
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| 13:12.29 | jnewt | blubberdiblub, how could i try? commands to change that? |
| 13:13.15 | blubberdiblub | jnewt, you can give a desired numbers of heads and sectors to cfdisk and then just write the MBR back to disk |
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| 13:15.41 | blubberdiblub | jnewt, fdisk too, apparently |
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| 13:18.22 | lissyx | hello |
| 13:18.36 | lissyx | anyone using buildbot and debcowbuilder ? |
| 13:19.26 | jmd | No. Nobody uses them. |
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| 13:22.38 | jnewt | blubberdiblub: when i dd'd, it changed chs on the new disk from 62/255/63 to 1429/14/50. Old was 761/14/50, so only the cylinders are mismatched, but the new one has more space, so maybe i need to modify bios somehow on the old machine. |
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| 13:25.05 | blubberdiblub | jnewt, what do you mean "old was"? anyway, try a -h 255 -s 63 layout with cfdisk and write the mbr/table back to disk |
| 13:25.33 | jmd | jnewt: If your machine support LBA that would be easier. |
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| 13:26.25 | blubberdiblub | jmd, LBA support or not isn't always the problem. some BIOSes are doing it wrong in very strange ways |
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| 13:26.40 | jnewt | blubberdiblub, the old disk i am replacing. i'll try that. |
| 13:26.56 | jnewt | jmd: no idea, it's an old compaq 486 (prolinea 4/33s) |
| 13:27.12 | jmd | I doubt it does then. |
| 13:27.14 | jnewt | that's what the disk was in. my debian pc is new |
| 13:27.19 | jnewt | newer |
| 13:28.05 | blubberdiblub | jnewt, yeah, try the /255/63 then. that should help reducing the number of cylinders below 1024 |
| 13:28.15 | jmd | Are you copying the entire disk, a partition or a filesystem? |
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| 13:32.00 | babl_ | Hi, please help. I have exim4 with server with hostname "myhost.com" and MX record to myhost.com to another server (myprovider.com). But exim ignores MX records and deliver user@myhost.com to local user |
| 13:32.44 | babl_ | how can i configure exim to ignore local users and delivery mail to correct MX ? other mails goes correctly |
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| 13:37.06 | jmd | babl_: Try #exim |
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| 13:56.42 | jmd | My auth.log file is full of these messages: |
| 13:56.45 | jmd | <PROTECTED> |
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| 13:57.08 | jmd | Why is it permission denied? sshd runs as root! |
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| 13:58.03 | `ingsoc | Are there any performance guides out there with general tips to tune a system for better responsiveness? |
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| 13:58.26 | hellyeah | get rid of heavy desktop manager |
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| 13:59.15 | `ingsoc | hellyeah: I was wondering if there's anything more specific I could look at? :P |
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| 14:00.14 | hellyeah | i gues ubuntu has some tune up software i am not sure debian has any software like that |
| 14:00.21 | hellyeah | btw which fs do you use |
| 14:00.30 | `ingsoc | hellyeah: I use ext4. |
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| 14:00.47 | `ingsoc | hellyeah: I have a few options that I mount it with, that seem to work wonders. |
| 14:00.52 | hellyeah | did you ever try fsck.ext4 |
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| 14:01.01 | `ingsoc | Hmmm? |
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| 14:01.20 | NiLon | money is best way to tune performance :P |
| 14:01.24 | hellyeah | this is file scanning checking utility |
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| 14:01.37 | hellyeah | but use -f option wisely |
| 14:01.45 | hellyeah | you can tear apart your system easily |
| 14:01.54 | `ingsoc | hellyeah: I'm not sure that would tune it to optimal performance... |
| 14:02.02 | `ingsoc | That just checks it for errors? |
| 14:02.27 | `ingsoc | Of course, an error-free drive would perform better. |
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| 14:03.38 | hellyeah | it should effect your system performance may be slightly |
| 14:03.55 | hellyeah | i dont think you can get performance in the situtation of first boot |
| 14:03.57 | `ingsoc | hellyeah: True. I've got it set to check after every 15 boots. |
| 14:04.12 | hellyeah | debian has this feature i guess |
| 14:04.22 | hellyeah | when i was using ext4 |
| 14:04.27 | hellyeah | system become too slow |
| 14:04.31 | hellyeah | and |
| 14:04.48 | hellyeah | i used fsck.ext4 with -f option that result in bad magic number |
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| 14:05.20 | hellyeah | i am not sure btrfs can be better than ext4 |
| 14:05.23 | hellyeah | i am not sure |
| 14:05.27 | `ingsoc | Hmmm. |
| 14:05.40 | hellyeah | search about btrfs |
| 14:05.48 | `ingsoc | There's some good stuff here, if you're interested: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Maximizing_Performance |
| 14:05.54 | `ingsoc | I'm looking for similar/additional stuff. |
| 14:06.06 | `ingsoc | I know it's for Arch and all that. |
| 14:06.12 | `ingsoc | But the same principles apply. |
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| 14:08.53 | hellyeah | i guess so |
| 14:09.13 | `ingsoc | A lot of it is pretty negligible. |
| 14:09.23 | Thomas_de_Graaff | Question: I've a mounted partition on my desktop debian wheezy, when I delete a file it is moved to the .Trash/files directory on that partition. But the file isn't visible in the nautilus trash. Users might be gathering trash this way without knowing it? Or am I missing something? |
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| 14:09.41 | `ingsoc | But I like it messing around with it. |
| 14:10.03 | hellyeah | btw |
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| 14:10.10 | hellyeah | you can break your system |
| 14:10.14 | hellyeah | careful about that |
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| 14:10.39 | `ingsoc | I've broken it plenty. XD I'm using LMDE tracking sid and it's been a great ride so far. |
| 14:10.49 | `ingsoc | Surprisingly, I've broken Ubuntu the most. :( |
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| 14:11.04 | hellyeah | LMDE tracking sid i dont know that :D |
| 14:11.04 | `ingsoc | But you're right. Got to be careful. |
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| 14:11.20 | `ingsoc | Linux Mint Debian Edition using the sid repositories. |
| 14:11.20 | hellyeah | ubuntu is just OS debian based right |
| 14:11.31 | `ingsoc | Yeah, with some aesthetics. |
| 14:11.35 | hellyeah | may be not anymore |
| 14:11.39 | hellyeah | i am not sure |
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| 14:11.56 | fnmueller | guys... please..... |
| 14:12.05 | babilen | `ingsoc: Please take it elsewhere. We discussed this already and you shouldn't push it. |
| 14:12.21 | hellyeah | fnmueller: what happened |
| 14:12.32 | `ingsoc | Yeah, I'd like to know too. :/ |
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| 14:12.36 | `ingsoc | I'm a bit confused. |
| 14:12.51 | hellyeah | i dont have any clue what you discussed before btw |
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| 14:13.10 | babilen | dpkg: tell `ingsoc -about lmde |
| 14:13.11 | `ingsoc | I'm sorry, I didn't realise this is North Korea. |
| 14:13.16 | fnmueller | neither ubuntu, nor lmde and espescially not chitchat is part of this #, please go elsewehre fore chitchat |
| 14:13.59 | `ingsoc | I don't understand why we're not allowed to talk here? |
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| 14:15.00 | hellyeah | i would invite you debian-offtopic |
| 14:15.14 | `ingsoc | Yeah, maybe I will go there. |
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| 14:15.37 | hellyeah | i just checked this out |
| 14:15.41 | babilen | `ingsoc: Read your IRC logs and the factoid dpkg just sent you. Do /not/ ask for support for LMDE or whatever it is you are running in #debian. |
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| 14:15.49 | babilen | (last warning) |
| 14:16.09 | `ingsoc | Seriously, Linux is the most amazing collaborative work, but Linux people are the most authoritarian I've ever seen. |
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| 14:17.35 | jmd | `ingsoc, They can be like that. Fortunately, debian people are a lot easier to get along with. |
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| 14:17.52 | babilen | Lets move on :) |
| 14:17.55 | hellyeah | he is gone |
| 14:17.55 | hellyeah | :D |
| 14:18.30 | Towzzer | ingsoc, it's a big problem isn't it? |
| 14:18.34 | hellyeah | just an idea you can tolarate talk like that when no one asks about OS spesific question may be thats just an idea |
| 14:18.34 | hellyeah | :D |
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| 14:18.59 | Towzzer | this channel is better than most |
| 14:19.09 | Towzzer | sometimes people set you on fire while screaming "RTFM" |
| 14:19.10 | Thomas_de_Graaff | Question: I have a mounted partition (fstab), there is a .Trash-1000 direcotry in the directory where that partition is mounted (/mnt/documents) with several deleted files in it, deleted using Nautilus. But, these files do not show up in the Trash in Nautilus when they are deleted using Nautilus. Is this a bug, or is this by design? |
| 14:19.11 | fnmueller | hellyeah: you are like the hundresds generation of that idea, never worked ^^. Also, this is off topic ;-) |
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| 14:19.46 | babilen | hellyeah: And no, #debian support pure Debian only for a number of technical and social reasons. The channel rules are /very/ clear about that and won't be changed. People who want support in here can use Debian. If they don't want to: Fair enough :) |
| 14:19.56 | Towzzer | Thomas_de - is Nautilus hiding them or are they hidden |
| 14:19.58 | babilen | Lets move on now, please. |
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| 14:20.29 | hellyeah | debian-offtopic i guess fair enough |
| 14:20.31 | hellyeah | right |
| 14:21.11 | jmd | I never understood the point of #-offtopic channels. |
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| 14:21.44 | babilen | jmd: Join it and I explain why they are needed. But please drop off-topic chatter in here :) |
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| 14:22.14 | echo083 | anybody knows the package readahead and use it ? I need something in particular after the installation to enable it ? |
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| 14:24.30 | Towzzer | echo - isn't readahead a cache mechaism built into the kernel? |
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| 14:25.16 | echo083 | Towzzer, so no package needed ? |
| 14:25.26 | echo083 | Towzzer, because there is one in the repo |
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| 14:29.59 | blubberdiblub | Towzzer, the package is a preloading tool and doesn't have much to do with the readahead buffer of block devices |
| 14:30.13 | blubberdiblub | s/of/for/ |
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| 14:31.15 | Towzzer | oh |
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| 14:31.47 | echo083 | blubberdiblub, yes indeed !! do you know this package ? |
| 14:32.08 | blubberdiblub | echo083, no, sorry |
| 14:32.15 | echo083 | blubberdiblub, ok |
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| 14:41.37 | abcdefg | some very interesting question |
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| 14:42.26 | abcdefg | I want that a remote system doesn't connect to anything when using apt-get update but instead a file is uploaded to it containing the current updates and apt uses it instead |
| 14:42.34 | abcdefg | is this possible with apt? |
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| 14:43.30 | pbase | abcdefg: do you want to save the d/l bandwidth? :D |
| 14:43.46 | Towzzer | abcdefg, you can mirror a repo |
| 14:43.54 | Towzzer | like the way apt works with the cdrom |
| 14:44.14 | pbase | why the hell ppl dont use jigdo |
| 14:44.57 | abcdefg | so I can get the updates on system A and upload them manually to system B - and apt on system B will use them |
| 14:45.23 | Towzzer | pbase, can you type apt-get install jigdo and it automatically works perfectly? |
| 14:45.30 | pbase | abcdefg: you can simply copy the debs |
| 14:45.35 | pbase | Towzzer: nno |
| 14:45.39 | Towzzer | or does it require a configuration file that has an xml structure that requires a computer science degree to understand |
| 14:45.44 | abcdefg | pbase: so apt update downloads each time all debs |
| 14:45.52 | Towzzer | it's like saying "why don't people use puppet" |
| 14:46.16 | pbase | Towzzer: i know exactly why he wants to do that. i have been thru that myself |
| 14:47.17 | pbase | abcdefg: apt would download a change list first to identify the packages to be updates |
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| 14:47.45 | pbase | you have to connect to do that. but once it is done and starts to download the packages, you can stop it |
| 14:47.54 | pbase | use commandline |
| 14:48.09 | pbase | and then you can copy the debs to the cache folder |
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| 14:48.43 | abcdefg | pbase: so apt-get upgrade will figure out which packages need to be upgraded on the system it has been executed |
| 14:48.56 | pbase | yes it should |
| 14:49.05 | pbase | do an updatefirst |
| 14:49.20 | pbase | and then copy the debs |
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| 14:49.35 | pbase | you would have to be root to do that |
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| 14:52.01 | Towzzer | can you check the result of a function in a bash condtional? |
| 14:52.17 | Towzzer | such as [ `command` ] , that is if the command results in 0 then it is true else false |
| 14:52.28 | Towzzer | without having to do $? |
| 14:52.29 | pbase | terneray should work i believe |
| 14:52.38 | pbase | ternary operator |
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| 14:52.43 | Towzzer | Can you show me an example? |
| 14:53.28 | koollman | Towzzer: remove the [ and ], and also `, and it will work |
| 14:54.06 | pbase | i dont know shell scripting much myslef. but this hsould help - http://stackoverflow.com/questions/3953645/ternary-operator-in-bash |
| 14:54.10 | koollman | (well, it should. I don't remember if there's a special case for function |
| 14:54.11 | koollman | ) |
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| 14:58.31 | Towzzer | koollman , thank you so much |
| 14:58.36 | Towzzer | you are the greatest human being ever |
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| 14:59.37 | koollman | I know, I know :) |
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| 15:01.15 | Towzzer | koollman, say "I'm the most humble person in the world" |
| 15:01.21 | koollman | :) |
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| 15:03.38 | Towzzer | kool |
| 15:03.49 | Towzzer | when you do awk '{ print $1 }' |
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| 15:03.57 | Towzzer | why does there have to be a space between the curly braces? |
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| 15:04.01 | smhar | greetings |
| 15:04.04 | Towzzer | hi smhar |
| 15:04.17 | Towzzer | please state the nature of your debian emergency |
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| 15:05.02 | pbase | chuckles |
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| 15:05.25 | smhar | I have a wheezy laptop for which I downloaded and compiled vanilla 3.7.6 kernel from kernel.org . Now I can not run virtualbox |
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| 15:06.16 | apm1 | smhar, that is because you didn't built the vbox module for 3.7.6 |
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| 15:06.42 | nkuttler | smhar: did you build your kernel with kp? |
| 15:06.47 | smhar | I tried removing and installing /building again but had many failures. and now, my system is stuck when it reaches the log-in boot screen. |
| 15:06.59 | apm1 | iidc you didn't even install kernel headers for your custom kernel |
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| 15:07.30 | smhar | nkuttler, no. I did ake-kpkg -j3 --initrd kernel_image kernel_headers |
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| 15:07.55 | nkuttler | smhar: that's what i meant.. so i guess vbox just need another m-a run |
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| 15:08.04 | smhar | and then dpkg -i both the kernel and the header packages |
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| 15:08.55 | smhar | nkuttler, care to elaborate a little more. |
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| 15:09.23 | nkuttler | smhar: just m-a or check the wiki i guess. don't have the syntax memorized |
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| 15:09.48 | nkuttler | smhar: actually, see /usr/share/doc/module-assistant/README |
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| 15:11.04 | smhar | nkuttler, nkuttlerbut can I do this booted from another kernel? |
| 15:11.10 | nkuttler | !tell smhar about dkms |
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| 15:12.56 | Hardisk | Hey guys, quick question I'm trying to symlink the home folder of an user to a folder inside the home of another one and I get a permission issue when I try to CD into the folder from the user perspective |
| 15:12.57 | Hardisk | Any clues? |
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| 15:14.17 | smhar | nkuttler, this the log file: http://paste.debian.net/233353/ |
| 15:14.33 | Towzzer | hardisk, what are the two usernames |
| 15:14.48 | Hardisk | Towzzer: olivier and freelance |
| 15:15.01 | Towzzer | which one is going to the other |
| 15:15.14 | Towzzer | olivier is logged in , and his home folder system links to freelance's? |
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| 15:15.19 | Hardisk | Towzzer: Basically wanna make it so /home/freelance is available read/write inside /home/olivier/DATA for olivier |
| 15:15.40 | jhutchins_wk | Hardisk: Why would you expect to be able to access another user's home directory? Wouldn't that be a rather basic breach of security? |
| 15:16.04 | Hardisk | jhutchins_wk: It's a local server between very few trusted users, it's not an issue in that case |
| 15:16.11 | babilen | smhar: And 3.7 /is/ in experimental fwiw, vbox also ships DKMS packages, doesn't it so using that combo might be all you need. Or create Debian packages from upstream kernels (make deb-pkg) as detailed in the kernel handbook: http://kernel-handbook.alioth.debian.org/ch-common-tasks.html -- make-kpkg has been obsoleted by that IIRC |
| 15:16.13 | Towzzer | hardisk you need to change the permissions around, I think I would make a third group |
| 15:16.43 | Towzzer | acutally how about |
| 15:17.13 | Towzzer | chown -R freelance:olivier /home/freelance |
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| 15:17.44 | jhutchins_wk | Hardisk: It is an issue, in that some files in the user's home directory need to be secure, not from malice but from error. |
| 15:17.55 | smhar | babilen, never used other than testing, not sure how adding it would affect my system |
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| 15:18.02 | Hardisk | Towzzer: Nevermind I just fixed it via a veeery easy config trick via my file sharing system |
| 15:18.06 | Hardisk | Towzzer: Thanks tough ! |
| 15:18.10 | Towzzer | have a nice day sir |
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| 15:18.13 | nkuttler | Hardisk: if you want to share data.. are you sure you don't want some kind of revision control or even something networked? |
| 15:18.20 | jhutchins_wk | Hardisk: The correct method to do this is to create a mutually shared folder with access granted to a group that both users belong to. You can then symlink it into each user's home. |
| 15:18.30 | Towzzer | who cares why he wants to do it, let's just make it happen |
| 15:18.46 | nkuttler | Towzzer: feel free to help however you see fit |
| 15:19.07 | Towzzer | if a guy came here and asked me how can he overwrite the first 512 bytes of sda I would give him the command :D |
| 15:19.22 | jhutchins_wk | Hardisk: You really shouldn't share the home, but create a shared directory instead. |
| 15:19.39 | jhutchins_wk | Towzzer: We try not to "help" people do things that will cause more problems down the road. |
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| 15:21.14 | DT-180 | Hey. Consider this situation: I open a ssh connection to a host. I need to run a graphical program over the machine as well as i would do with irssi(In Text mode). Which packages should i install? |
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| 15:26.00 | Towzzer | what's the simplest way to exlude a directory from a find |
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| 15:29.20 | echo083 | Towzzer, use -not |
| 15:30.00 | abrotman | is there a way to see what is using the file ubuffers/cached space ? |
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| 15:30.27 | abrotman | buffers, not ubuffers |
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| 15:31.48 | DT-180 | nice. |
| 15:31.55 | DT-180 | But it seems a bit slow though :/ |
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| 15:32.49 | abrotman | it will be .. |
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| 15:34.14 | DT-180 | In fact, it is very slow :/ |
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| 15:39.45 | jhutchins_wk | DT-180: You might find XEN or VNC faster. |
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| 15:40.10 | jhutchins_wk | DT-180: what application are you trying to run? |
| 15:40.46 | DT-180 | jhutchins_wk: A tkinter + python one. |
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| 16:21.28 | boudiccas | i'm trying to install the development version of 'bos wars' onto wheezy, and following their instal instructions, which say to use 'make.py debug' but every time i do that it says 'bash: make.py: command not found'. do i need the python development files to allow it to work please? |
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| 16:29.53 | nkuttler | boudiccas: sounds like you need the make.py program |
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| 16:32.27 | boudiccas | nkuttler: oh! thanks, didn't know there was such a thing. |
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| 16:35.26 | boudiccas | just done an 'apt-cache search make.py' and it came back with ''python-whoosh ' which i installed and then ran the make.py line again, and it still fails saying'bash: make.py: command not found' |
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| 16:40.46 | amgarching | Hi! When I restore a disk dump with "dd if=sda.img of=/dev/sda" does this also recover the partition table? Note that /dev/sda is the whole disk, not a specific partition. |
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| 16:41.45 | amgarching | I am not sure why a website advises to execute "sfdisk /dev/sda < backup-sda.sfdisk" in addition (and after disk dump has been replayed) |
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| 16:46.16 | Towzzer | amgarching, yes it does |
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| 16:46.39 | Towzzer | if the reverse of that command was used to back up the disk |
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| 16:48.37 | bolt | amgarching: the partition table is perhaps the most important data on any disk. you could therefore argue that having two copies of it is not a bad idea |
| 16:48.49 | bolt | restoring both that and a full image of the drive should, however, be unnecessary |
| 16:49.47 | amgarching | Thanks! I need a "mental model" of that. I always assumed partition table is somewhere in MBR. Is it different with modern (SSD) drive? |
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| 16:50.43 | amgarching | I grew up without things like GPT (whatever that is). |
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| 16:53.00 | amgarching | I seem to be able to see a partition table by examining the disk image "sfdisk -l ./sda.img" |
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| 16:54.25 | jacksmithz | how come my debian install with generic drivers have the same amount of packages as my debian install with targeted drivers? should'nt they have a different amount of packages? |
| 16:54.42 | jacksmithz | or are the drivers not a package? |
| 16:55.09 | amgarching | I've heard that NTFS fills the empty space on disk with zeros for security reasons. That would be nice for compression ratio (gzip). Is this true? |
| 16:55.16 | jordanm | jacksmithz, targeted drivers? |
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| 16:55.51 | bolt | jacksmithz: if you are referring to kernel modules, built in or not, then they are not packages |
| 16:56.07 | bolt | jacksmithz: if they're modules, you would have fewer total files before adding other stuff however |
| 16:56.10 | jacksmithz | well when you do a debian expert install you have the option to choose between generic or targeted drivers |
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| 16:56.54 | dD_ | Many times my computer won't turn on unless I remove the batter, press the power for twenty seconds, restore the battery and turn it back on. I was told that maybe it's not fully shutting down. How can I fix this? |
| 16:57.12 | Towzzer | amgarching, that's not true |
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| 16:57.43 | jacksmithz | bolt: so they are part of the kernel? or are the seperate from the kernel? |
| 16:57.50 | Towzzer | ntfs is very similar to other filesystems except for it's built in acl and file system encryption |
| 16:57.56 | SARC | Is there a channel for networking on debian? Or should I ask here? |
| 16:58.47 | jordanm | SARC, here |
| 16:59.36 | bolt | jacksmithz: support for various devices at least used to be modules, that could be compiled as part of the kernel or separate. not sure what the expert install options do however |
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| 17:00.09 | SARC | I am trying to figure out what exactly my NIC interrupts are. When I look at /proc/interrupts, I see 8 entries for eth1, are these 8 separate buffers? When I look at them, the first entry is much higher than the other 7. Can someone please explain this for me? |
| 17:00.31 | amgarching | How do you fill NTFS with zeros? The windows equivalent of "cat /dev/zero > huge-file" and waiting for out of disk? |
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| 17:03.16 | Towzzer | I amgarcging, dd can be run on windows under cygwin |
| 17:03.21 | Towzzer | *cat I mean |
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| 17:05.07 | jacksmithz | how can i check the size of the kernel? (etc. how many MBs it is)? |
| 17:05.16 | amgarching | That is a virgin installation. Want to back that up and wipi it out. |
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| 17:06.13 | amgarching | jacksmithz: maybe du -sh /boot/vmlinuz* |
| 17:06.20 | jacksmithz | thanks |
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| 17:07.05 | Towzzer | amgarching, windows has a backup tool built into that might be better |
| 17:07.16 | Towzzer | since it knows the filesystem it doesn't waste space on portions not being used |
| 17:07.27 | Towzzer | it also can be run on a running system |
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| 17:15.52 | Towzzer | Is it possible to re-direct stdout to a file for a port of a script |
| 17:15.59 | Towzzer | I want to avoid having to type >> file for several lines |
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| 17:18.05 | themill | Towzzer: { foo; bar; } >> filename (#bash is over there --->) |
| 17:19.06 | Towzzer | for multiple lines |
| 17:19.51 | stack | Towzzer: just use multiple lines instead of ; |
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| 17:20.42 | themill | Towzzer: ; and \n are just command separators. |
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| 17:25.13 | amgarching | this does not work for me in the command line: {ls; echo 1;} |
| 17:25.23 | bolt | spaces dude |
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| 17:25.27 | amgarching | bash 4.2.24 |
| 17:25.49 | bolt | { ls; echo 1; } |
| 17:25.51 | bolt | also, #bash |
| 17:26.16 | amgarching | bah, that's cannot be true ... |
| 17:26.24 | bolt | { is not like a parenthesis in a programming language |
| 17:26.31 | bolt | it's a command group |
| 17:26.49 | bolt | just like you can't do [["a" = "b"]] |
| 17:27.02 | bolt | bash needs spaces |
| 17:27.03 | abrotman | amgarching: ask #bash |
| 17:27.08 | themill | (this is quite clearly explained in bash(1) along with why this is the case) |
| 17:27.17 | abrotman | they have a ton of FAQs and people to cluebat you |
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| 17:27.41 | bolt | and cluebulldoze if the bat doesn't do it |
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| 17:31.44 | linguini | I'm thinking of setting up a Debian-based server to host a commercial web application. I'm used to gentoo, and I'm surprised to see Debian releases new "versions" every few months. What does a new Debian version mean? |
| 17:32.36 | linguini | Are packages such as openssl only updated at release time? |
| 17:32.52 | Towzzer | debian has a new version every 2 months |
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| 17:33.50 | zykotick9 | linguini: you should research what "stable" means in a debian context. once a release occurs, packages only get security updates, not version updates. |
| 17:34.04 | zykotick9 | linguini: in short, debian is not a rolling release like gentoo. |
| 17:34.37 | themill | dpkg: tell linguini about stable |
| 17:34.55 | themill | linguini: this means that when you set it up, it keeps working... it doesn't randomly break because you updated something. |
| 17:35.19 | linguini | themill: Well, that sounds good, and is why I'm thinking about Debian rather than gentoo or Arch... |
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| 17:36.47 | linguini | The link from dpkg is truncated in my IRC client: http://wiki.debian.org/Debi |
| 17:36.48 | gnarface | linguini: it will save you a lot of time for typical services |
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| 17:36.59 | gnarface | linguini: especially compared to gentoo |
| 17:37.03 | jpw | http://wiki.debian.org/DebianStable |
| 17:37.09 | linguini | jpw: Ah, thanks. |
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| 17:38.13 | jpw | unless you're using ruby1.9. |
| 17:38.27 | linguini | jpw: I am! |
| 17:38.35 | Towzzer | holy linguini |
| 17:38.42 | linguini | ruby 1.9 isn't yet in stable? |
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| 17:38.51 | jpw | not afaik |
| 17:39.14 | boudiccas | ,v ruby |
| 17:39.15 | judd | Package: ruby on i386 -- lenny: 4.2; squeeze: 4.5; sid: 4.9; wheezy: 4.9 |
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| 17:40.01 | jacksmithz | linguina: why do you want to host the application yourself? |
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| 17:40.19 | linguini | Towzzer: http://www.debian.org/releases/ says 6.0.6 was released on Sept 29, 2012. Is that the latest stable? |
| 17:40.31 | linguini | jacksmithz: As opposed to what? |
| 17:40.32 | themill | yes |
| 17:40.44 | jacksmithz | as opposed to letting a hosting company host it |
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| 17:41.07 | dmd | Some of the machines I'm provisioning have a separate /dev/sdb to be used for /home, and some only have a single disk. Is there a way I can set up preseed so that if /dev/sdb exists, it uses 100% of that for /home, but if it doesn't, it makes a /home partition on /dev/sda? |
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| 17:42.06 | linguini | jacksmithz: I think we get a higher performance / dollar by using collocation. |
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| 17:42.58 | linguini | jacksmithz: And, I want to control certain things (such as ensuring the host has ruby 1.9) |
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| 17:43.50 | jpw | linguini: I was wrong Debian 6.0.6 has ruby1.9.1... This makes me wonder why I had issues with ruby previously. It could have been something to do with an outdated gem |
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| 17:44.10 | KristisB | hey, pc gets frozen very often, I doubt it's due to the operating system/software issue, rather it's likely to be hardware problem, I'd need your help investigating into the issue. Can I check some logs or something? |
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| 17:44.24 | linguini | jpw: Ah, good to know. Is there a page to find out current package versions? |
| 17:44.55 | jpw | linguini: `apt-cache (search|show)` |
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| 17:47.24 | jpw | linguini: Think hard about colocation particularly for a small setup. When things go wrong you'll be pleased you opted for a hosting company. |
| 17:47.53 | linguini | jpw: Any recommendations? |
| 17:48.01 | Peanut | Hi folks - I've got a number of machines with identical mobo/CPU etc. But one of these machines has 4GB, where the others have only 2GB. Because of this, the Squeeze installer put the -bigmem kernel on it. It seems noticably slower than its siblings with a regular kernel, is this to be expected? |
| 17:48.24 | linguini | What exactly do you mean by a "hosting company"? A shared host? A dedicated host? A VPS? |
| 17:48.49 | jpw | linguini: Im not sure others would appriciate me recomending hosting companies on topic... join #debian-offtopic |
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| 17:49.29 | jacksmithz | linguini: the choice of hosting company depends alot on your web application and traffic |
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| 17:50.30 | moorfoo | i had done something to revery my gnome to gnome-????? (old,legacy,???) in an attempt to make vnc-like access to this system look better on another machine, and to get the option to blank my screen but don't standby when i closed my laptop lid. now i want to go back to the way it was before I did that. can anyone tell me how to change it back? |
| 17:50.39 | moorfoo | revert* |
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| 17:51.24 | moorfoo | i cant remember what package it was that i installed to do that, but im more concerned with reversing/reverting than knowing what package it was |
| 17:51.57 | linguini | jacksmithz: Non-global traffic. We have a set number of clients who use the web app to conduct business. |
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| 17:53.05 | jmd | I'm not sure which package to file a bug against, but apt-get dist-upgrade damages /etc/host |
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| 17:55.55 | jacksmithz | linguini: you will properbly benefit the most from using google to find reviews/comparisons of host companies or ask in a channel dedicated to the topic of web development |
| 17:56.38 | linguini | jacksmithz: Thanks. I've looked, and I currently think colocation best suites my needs. But maybe I'm mistaken. |
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| 17:56.54 | nkuttler | web hosting is one of the most spammed niches, i wouldn't do research on the web |
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| 17:57.21 | moorfoo | maybe it was gnome-fallback? |
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| 18:05.37 | moorfoo | how do i change the color of my toolbars at the top and bottom of the gnome screen? |
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| 18:08.12 | Gullip | moorfoo: gnome-color-chooser |
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| 18:08.20 | tjiggi_fo | moorfoo, rightclick on panel and choose properties - this is basic stuff you shouldn't have to ask about |
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| 18:09.48 | naptastic | Could someone here who is using Debian Testing kindly pastebin me your /etc/apt/sources.list file? |
| 18:09.59 | naptastic | Mine is missing some critical lines and I need to re-create them. |
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| 18:10.36 | txomon | can anyone please confirm that compiling a kernel with make-kpkg and with make deb-pkg outputs an enormous image file? |
| 18:11.03 | Gullip | naptastic: http://paste.debian.net/plain/233376 |
| 18:11.09 | naptastic | txomon, define enormous? The .deb files when I compile them are typically between 60 - 120 MB |
| 18:11.25 | naptastic | txomon, the vzimage itself will be tens of megabytes. |
| 18:11.35 | naptastic | Gullip, thank you!! |
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| 18:11.47 | Gullip | naptastic, you're welcome. |
| 18:12.26 | Gullip | Change the 'es' in ftp.es.debian... to a nearby mirror to you though. :) |
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| 18:13.12 | moorfoo | tjiggi_fo: right click on panel does nothing for me. no menu appears when i right-click. |
| 18:13.31 | moorfoo | Gullip: will install that package - thanks. |
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| 18:14.18 | Gullip | moorfoo: you'll find that "Gnome" and "Change" don't work very well together nowadays... |
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| 18:15.03 | moorfoo | Gullip: i've noticed. shame. :-( |
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| 18:21.13 | ArchRatio | So I ran memtest86, and it gave no errors, but my GUI still freezes frequently. I use XFCE. |
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| 18:21.57 | ArchRatio | Is there any way I can somehow amend this? |
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| 18:22.53 | nkuttler | ArchRatio: could be the GPU? |
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| 18:23.36 | ArchRatio | Sure, could be. How do I determine whether it is the GPU? |
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| 18:26.38 | ArchRatio | nkuttler: Sure, could be, but how do I determine whether the trouble lies with the GPU, and if so, how would I go about fixing this? |
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| 18:27.10 | nkuttler | ArchRatio: check if the vendor provides some testing tools? |
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| 18:27.23 | linguini | If I used debian-stable the last 5 years, would apt-get update ever have resulted in an unbootable system or other breakage? |
| 18:28.14 | teclo- | linguini: make sure the name of the release is in /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 18:28.28 | teclo- | for instance if it's lenny, make sure it's written "lenny" and not "stable" in there |
| 18:28.53 | nkuttler | linguini: you'd be running an outdated system without security updates |
| 18:29.00 | teclo- | because if it is written "stable" in the file, apt-get is likely to attempt to upgrade to the current stable version |
| 18:29.06 | ArchRatio | nkuttler: Searched for "AMD Radeon HD 6310 testing tools." No useful results. |
| 18:29.10 | teclo- | nkuttler, linguini that, too |
| 18:30.00 | linguini | nkuttler: Hmm. Do I need to do something other than apt-get update to move onto the latest version(s)? |
| 18:30.07 | teclo- | linguini: when there is a new stable release, the previous release becomes oldstable, and oldstable receives security upgrade for one year only |
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| 18:30.20 | teclo- | after that; no more security updates |
| 18:30.26 | nkuttler | linguini: yes, to upgrade to the next release you need a dist-upgrade, but not necessarily with apt-get |
| 18:31.04 | linguini | nkuttler: Is dist-upgrade a reliable process? Would running it on a production server be a mistake? |
| 18:31.35 | nkuttler | linguini: i guess that depends on your requirements |
| 18:32.05 | nkuttler | linguini: if you have a single server you can probably get away with a few minutes of downtime, after having tested the upgrade in a vm or somewhere |
| 18:32.20 | ArchRatio | nkuttler: So, is there anything else I can do to find out? |
| 18:32.32 | nkuttler | linguini: personally, i've never had any serious problems |
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| 18:32.38 | nkuttler | ArchRatio: sorry, no idea |
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| 18:33.00 | Gargantua | ArchRatio: what is the problem? |
| 18:33.19 | linguini | teclo-: If I start using 6.0.6 today, how long until I need to do dist-upgrade? |
| 18:33.40 | Kaurin | Hi. If i install the phpmyadmin package, and then remove it's config file in /etc/apache2/conf.d/ dir, will that config file be recreated on the next phpmyadmin package update? |
| 18:33.43 | jhutchins_wk | linguini: It's difficult to predict your exact combination of hardware, software, and configuration. If in doubt, test. |
| 18:33.48 | ArchRatio | Gargantua: Every now and then when I try to do something (e.g. Log into Skype, sudo apt-get install/purge something, run something) my screen randomly freezes. |
| 18:34.06 | jhutchins_wk | !confmiss |
| 18:34.06 | dpkg | You have to especially tell the packaging system to reinstall config files because when they are gone, it is assumed that you want them to stay deleted. "aptitude -o DPkg::Options::='--force-confmiss' reinstall $packagename" will restore them (man dpkg for details). If the package uses <ucf> for config file management, ask me about <ucf confmiss>. |
| 18:34.26 | Kaurin | It's a link actually, but my question remains the same: will it be recreated on the next package update? |
| 18:35.00 | Kaurin | jhutchins_wk, thank you |
| 18:35.11 | Gargantua | ArchRatio: are you using fglrx? |
| 18:35.23 | linguini | looking at previous Debian releases |
| 18:35.31 | Gargantua | I'd recommend running top in a terminal and seeing if a process is hogging CPU when that happens. |
| 18:36.19 | jhutchins_wk | ArchRatio: package management is pretty resource intense, could just be bogged down for a few minutes. |
| 18:36.20 | armin | hi, i just try to install wheezy i386 via usb stick but immediately get a kernel panic (not syncing: vfs: unable to mount root fs) when hitting "install" from the bootloader menu. any hint? |
| 18:36.22 | nkuttler | linguini: there should be one year of security support for squeeze after wheezy is out |
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| 18:36.58 | linguini | etch (4.0): 4/8/2007 ; lenny (5.0): 2/14/2009; squeeze (6.0): 2/11/2011 |
| 18:37.12 | ArchRatio | I am pretty sure I am using a proprietary AMD driver, not sure if it is fglrx. |
| 18:37.15 | jhutchins_wk | armin: Assuming you're on reasonably standard hardware, you should verify the md5sum of the drive, and if that's not right check the image you used. How did you prepare the USB drive? |
| 18:37.31 | ArchRatio | Gargantua: It isa a AMD Radeon HD series card, so I suppose so. |
| 18:37.57 | nkuttler | linguini: having to dist-upgrade every three years sounds reasonable |
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| 18:38.13 | armin | jhutchins_wk: dd if=Desktop/Debian_wheezy_i386_netboot_downloaded_20130211.iso of=/dev/sdc with the mini.iso i got from http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/dists/wheezy/main/installer-i386/current/images/netboot/ - hardware is a via eden mini itx board with setup defaults loaded. |
| 18:38.15 | linguini | nkuttler: Thanks. And judging by the 2 year gap between etch/lenny/squeeze, sounds like wheeze is likely to come out soon. |
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| 18:38.45 | ArchRatio | jhutchins_wk: I didn't get this with Ubuntu. I don't mean this as is "Ubuntu is better," for the record, but I mean it as "This doesn't seem to be normal." |
| 18:38.47 | nkuttler | !tell linguini about release critical |
| 18:39.14 | nkuttler | ArchRatio: did you check your logs after such a freeze? |
| 18:39.36 | ArchRatio | nkuttler: I don't know how to check my logs, I'm new to Debian. |
| 18:39.42 | ArchRatio | Let me look up how to do that. |
| 18:39.53 | Gargantua | ArchRatio: I own a card of that series, maybe try fglrx. |
| 18:40.01 | nkuttler | ArchRatio: well, /var/log/ |
| 18:40.09 | Gargantua | google for "amd-driver-installer-catalyst-13.1-linux" |
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| 18:40.42 | nkuttler | ArchRatio: syslog, messages, previous xorg log primarily, for the time of the freeze |
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| 18:42.01 | jhutchins_wk | armin: I think cat is recommended over dd, but it shouldn't matter. Check the md5sums. |
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| 18:42.37 | armin | jhutchins_wk: ok thanks. :) |
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| 18:44.03 | xreal | !seen debian 7 release date |
| 18:44.03 | dpkg | xreal: i haven't seen 'debian 7 release date' |
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| 18:45.18 | ArchRatio | So what I did was 'vim syslog', permission denied. Then 'sudo vim syslog', freeze. |
| 18:46.28 | ArchRatio | Gargantua: dpkg is suggesting I install "xserver-xorg-video-radeon, optionally install libgl1-mesa-dri for 3D acceleration" |
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| 18:47.41 | ArchRatio | Gargantua: What do you say about that? |
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| 18:48.09 | Gargantua | The file I mentioned is published directly by ati, its your choice. |
| 18:48.44 | ArchRatio | I'll try ATI, then... |
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| 18:50.28 | ArchRatio | Gargantua: So, I have to do this: "aptitude -r install linux-headers-2.6-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'` fglrx-driver && mkdir /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d ; echo -e 'Section "Device"\n\tIdentifier "My GPU"\n\tDriver "fglrx"\nEndSection' > /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-fglrx.conf" |
| 18:50.42 | ArchRatio | "Device" and "My GPU" are placeholders. |
| 18:51.13 | ArchRatio | I am not sure what I should put in device, should I put "AMDRadeonHD6310" in "My GPU" or some such, what format do I use? |
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| 18:51.58 | Pei | SO uhm, Debian net install doesn't support wifi ? |
| 18:52.43 | gnarface | Pei: it supports wifi but only in certain cases (don't need non-free firmware, don't need WPA2, etc) |
| 18:52.47 | zykotick9 | Pei: squeeze supports wep/open. b4 installer supports wpa as well |
| 18:53.04 | Pei | i have open network |
| 18:53.11 | Gargantua | ArchRatio: what? |
| 18:53.15 | Pei | well, the facility does |
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| 18:53.55 | a233g23g | I'm having problems getting Grub to work, I had Windows 8 installed and resized the partitions and installed Debian and Grub. Then I used Boot Repair but it was unable to fix the problem |
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| 18:54.08 | zykotick9 | Pei: you might want/need the unoffical squeeze installer with firmware (if that's an issue for the wireless card) |
| 18:54.15 | Gargantua | ArchRatio: http://support.amd.com/us/gpudownload/linux/Pages/radeon_linux.aspx |
| 18:54.18 | Gargantua | Download it, execute it. |
| 18:54.26 | Gargantua | It's no guarantuee that it'll fix your problem, though. |
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| 18:54.53 | DarkKnightCZ1 | hi, is there some tool that can create signal strength graph? |
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| 18:55.19 | ArchRatio | Gargantua: Trying that. Thanks for your efforts regardless. |
| 18:55.34 | Pei | zykotick9: can you tell me more? like where i might find documentation on this? or where i can download squeeze installer? |
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| 18:56.21 | zykotick9 | !tell Pei about firmware images |
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| 18:57.45 | Pei | thanks a lot zykotick9 |
| 18:58.04 | ArchRatio | Gargantua: How do I execute it? When I messaged dpkg ".run" it just asked me if I am using Windows. |
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| 18:58.22 | Pei | 210,763,776 9.20M/s in 35s |
| 18:58.30 | Gargantua | Open up a terminal, cd to where you installed it, "./nameoffile" |
| 18:58.30 | Pei | NICE download speeds on cdimage.* |
| 18:58.53 | Gargantua | File extensions don't mean much anymore, you're a linux user now. |
| 18:58.54 | a233g23g | can anyone help me on installation? |
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| 18:59.39 | zykotick9 | a233g23g: asking a question _usually_ helps ;) |
| 18:59.54 | a233g23g | I did, no one answered |
| 19:00.00 | a233g23g | I'm having problems getting Grub to work, I had Windows 8 installed and resized the partitions and installed Debian and Grub. Then I used Boot Repair but it was unable to fix the problem |
| 19:00.09 | a233g23g | I used a net install for Debian |
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| 19:00.30 | Gargantua | What problem did you use "Boot Repair" to fix? |
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| 19:01.35 | a233g23g | Gargantua: It wouldn't load GRUB |
| 19:01.47 | eyedea | I have uninstalled chromium but it's still on my computer, I can still launch it and shit, how do I completely uninstall it? |
| 19:02.08 | a233g23g | I googled a bit and found on a couple forums that it fixes many problems, it's a program from sourceforge |
| 19:02.24 | a233g23g | http://sourceforge.net/p/ubuntu-secured/home/Home/ |
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| 19:03.10 | a233g23g | Boot Repair was the original, but when I ran it, it said "EFI detected" and that I needed to try that version, so I did |
| 19:03.44 | Gargantua | http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=224351 |
| 19:04.15 | Gargantua | Basically, use a live cd and run grub-install. |
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| 19:04.54 | Pei | any way to put firmware-6.0.6-i386-netinst.iso on a USB stick easily/ |
| 19:05.24 | zykotick9 | Pei: cat (or dd) it to the root of the device (ie. no partition just sdb as example) |
| 19:05.26 | a233g23g | I'll be back |
| 19:05.32 | Pei | ah |
| 19:05.48 | Pei | what about from a windows machine ;P |
| 19:06.01 | Pei | heheh |
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| 19:06.36 | Pei | will the sourceforge unetbootin-windows-583 work? |
| 19:06.39 | blaamann | Pei: See http://www.pendrivelinux.com/universal-usb-installer-easy-as-1-2-3/ |
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| 19:06.53 | Pei | yeah i have that one too blaamann |
| 19:06.53 | blaamann | Pei: unetbootin at least used to work |
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| 19:12.17 | eyedea | I have uninstalled chromium but it's still on my computer, I can still launch it and shit, how do I completely uninstall it? |
| 19:12.44 | Pei | blaamann: so if i use Unetbootin and select Debian --> Stable Netinstall it with the firmware-6.0.6-i386-netinst.iso it should work? |
| 19:13.00 | Devastator | unetbootin sucks... |
| 19:13.15 | Pei | Devastator: you got a better solution? |
| 19:13.23 | Devastator | dd |
| 19:13.25 | zykotick9 | eyedea: "apt-get purge chromium-browser" or with aptitude, removes both files and configs (still doesn't touch ~ though) |
| 19:13.44 | Pei | .,............... |
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| 19:14.24 | eyedea | thanks zykotick9 |
| 19:14.33 | Devastator | never heard of dd? |
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| 19:15.20 | jordanm | cat is simpler and will also work |
| 19:15.37 | blaamann | On Windoz? |
| 19:15.58 | blaamann | Yeah right, tell a windows user to use cat or dd |
| 19:16.02 | themill | Pei: people seem to have more luck with http://sf.net/projects/win32diskimager/ than unetbootin. ymmv though. |
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| 19:16.39 | woshty | the only thing i got to work properly with unetbootin was "converting" one iso directly to usb, selecting something never worked |
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| 19:17.29 | jordanm | blaamann, both are available in cygwin |
| 19:17.31 | Towzzer | on windows you can also use DD |
| 19:17.36 | Towzzer | it works perfectly |
| 19:17.49 | Towzzer | cgywin is really f'ing useful |
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| 19:20.36 | blaamann | Pei: Another one is http://www.linuxliveusb.com/en/download |
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| 19:21.01 | Pei | thanks guys |
| 19:21.09 | Pizza90 | hi all, does anyone when wheezy will become stable?? |
| 19:21.20 | abrotman | no |
| 19:21.38 | jordanm | !wheezy pool 1 |
| 19:21.38 | dpkg | ! blubberdiblub=2013-04-07 lisandro=2013-04-26 enrico=2013-03-25 madamezou=2013-04-01 5ynrg=2013-04-26 shirish=2013-05-15 LtL=2013-05-21 rizlah=2013-01-02 bolt=2013-04-01 TCW=2013-02-17 bab1len=2013-05-04 cousin_luigi=2013-01-14 tremon=2013-01-26 je11y=2013-05-07 comps=2013-02-20 m1|=2013-06-13 chealer=2012-12-20 jordanm=2013-08-21 peterrooney=2013-02-08 Arrowmaster=2012-12-12 s1monr7n=2013-03-23 themi11=2013-03-15 abrotman=2013-06-01 |
| 19:22.32 | jordanm | i'm not looking very good this time around |
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| 19:22.55 | abrotman | has time |
| 19:23.23 | gutonjusa | hello guys! I'm noob in this things, and I'm trying have 2 noips in my home network, but my router just can configure 1 dmz ip, someone here can help a little? like I wan't have full acess in in 2 diferent machines in my network, built a firewall on my dmz local ip to redirect requests is gonna work? |
| 19:24.04 | Towzzer | what's a noip? |
| 19:24.07 | ompaul | Pizza90: and given the truth it is not date related but when the critical bug count reaches zero - what say you |
| 19:24.15 | abrotman | Towzzer: ask google |
| 19:24.27 | Towzzer | oh |
| 19:24.28 | abrotman | gutonjusa: how is this related to Debian ? |
| 19:24.33 | gutonjusa | Dynamic Dns client lol |
| 19:24.45 | abrotman | lolololololol |
| 19:24.51 | abrotman | gutonjusa: how ist his a Debian problem ? |
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| 19:25.14 | ompaul | abrotman: stop it, it isn't a debian problem |
| 19:25.16 | ompaul | hides behind abrotman |
| 19:25.58 | Pizza90 | ompaul: thank you for the answer (and to abrotman too) i just noticed that the various beta X were released in sequence, while after the 4th there is still no new release do you know where is the list of bugs needing a fix before wheezy becomes stable? |
| 19:26.27 | ompaul | http://bugs.debian.org |
| 19:26.28 | abrotman | gutonjusa: a) don't msg me, keep it in the channel b) ask #networking |
| 19:26.30 | Pei | okay uhm, it's at the network config part of install on firmware 6.6 iso, what do i need to do to get it to connect to an access point |
| 19:26.56 | jordanm | !tell Pizza90 about release-critical |
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| 19:27.25 | ompaul | Pizza90: or to be more accurate http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/ |
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| 19:27.34 | Pizza90 | thank you all :) |
| 19:27.36 | ompaul | looks at jordanm and does nothing |
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| 19:28.34 | gutonjusa | tks #abrotman |
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| 19:29.00 | debuaian | What does the DVC contain that the CD doesn't? |
| 19:29.00 | debuaian | *DVD. |
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| 19:29.15 | themill | more packages |
| 19:29.28 | gutonjusa | exit |
| 19:29.28 | debuaian | Can you give me a general idea? |
| 19:29.30 | jmd | debuaian, a 'V' |
| 19:29.39 | debuaian | Like more wm, games, etc? |
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| 19:29.39 | abrotman | debuaian: a lot more packages |
| 19:29.51 | debuaian | Dev tools by chances? |
| 19:29.59 | abrotman | probably |
| 19:30.05 | debuaian | cool ;p |
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| 19:30.14 | zykotick9 | debuaian: the entire debian repo actually ;) |
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| 19:30.27 | abrotman | zykotick9: don't joke .. he's not going to get it |
| 19:30.27 | debuaian | zykotick9: Does it, now? |
| 19:30.34 | abrotman | debuaian: no .. zykotick9 is lyling |
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| 19:30.38 | abrotman | lying |
| 19:30.39 | debuaian | 4gb is pretty small for that ;p |
| 19:31.14 | zykotick9 | debuaian: personally, i'd say the dvd (and cd) are a waste, use teh netinst |
| 19:31.18 | debuaian | I'd think you'd have a changelog, or package list somewhere |
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| 19:31.31 | abrotman | !tell debuaian about cd contents |
| 19:31.33 | abrotman | good luck |
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| 19:31.34 | debuaian | my reasoning is I will install it on a box with no net access. |
| 19:31.44 | zykotick9 | debuaian: but the 8DVDs do contain the entire debian repository, for desert island situations. |
| 19:31.45 | jordanm | !tell debuaian about cd contents |
| 19:31.58 | debuaian | So I'd like to ahve a few options, like gcc, make, games;p |
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| 19:32.35 | debuaian | zykotick9: They sell a DVD set of all of it ? ;p |
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| 19:32.55 | zykotick9 | debuaian: don't know (i think so), but you can torrent them if you want. |
| 19:33.03 | debuaian | ty jordanm |
| 19:33.05 | yeehaw | Anyone else that has Graphical artifacts with the latest fglrx drivers? |
| 19:33.09 | zykotick9 | debuaian: but i repeat - it's a waste. |
| 19:33.12 | debuaian | netbook is a bit pain |
| 19:33.27 | debuaian | zykotick9: I expect some waste, yes. |
| 19:33.37 | debuaian | i mean it's 4gb to downlaod :p |
| 19:33.48 | yeehaw | Sorry, wc |
| 19:33.56 | zykotick9 | debuaian: oh, 1 dvd isn't bad. i was talking about the entire set. |
| 19:34.11 | debuaian | :p |
| 19:34.16 | debuaian | ty guys |
| 19:34.19 | Pizza90 | if i install wheezy beta4 and i keep it updated with the updates i get will i get a "stable" version or it's better if i do a clean installation once the stable is out? |
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| 19:34.38 | abrotman | debhelper: Debian doesn't sell CDs but other companies do |
| 19:34.46 | abrotman | debhelper doesn't care ... |
| 19:35.37 | jhutchins_wk | Pizza90: Either way works. |
| 19:35.42 | abrotman | zykotick9: you saw the part where he said it was an offline install, right ? |
| 19:35.48 | Pizza90 | thank you :) |
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| 19:36.00 | zykotick9 | abrotman: actually no. missed that - my bad. |
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| 19:37.08 | Jimmothy | is there a list of reputable wireless cards for debian/linux? |
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| 19:37.31 | abrotman | very bad ... |
| 19:37.40 | abrotman | Jimmothy: the wiki probalby has a decent list |
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| 19:38.16 | Pei | I don't see anywhere in the install documentation on how to do netinstall and setup wifi/network access point |
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| 19:38.20 | Pei | can someone help me/ |
| 19:39.20 | Pei | network autoconfiguration fails obviously cuz it didn't ask me for any kind of access point to connect to |
| 19:39.23 | Jimmothy | currently i have a netinstall running using wifi thethering from my phone |
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| 19:39.37 | Jimmothy | other than that ive always done wired |
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| 19:39.55 | Pei | Jimmothy: how did you connect to an access point |
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| 19:40.12 | Brigo | Pei: do you have the firmware installed? |
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| 19:40.35 | Pei | Brigo: i don't know, it didn't ask me for any such firmware... i downloaded the firmware iso |
| 19:40.38 | Devastator | he is installing |
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| 19:41.13 | Jimmothy | Pei: i didnt i connected my phone running cyanogenmod via usb, hit usb tether and it detected it for use during the setup |
| 19:41.27 | Pei | oh |
| 19:41.27 | Brigo | Pei: look at logs, but if you dont installed it you will need it. |
| 19:41.40 | Pei | how do i install firmware? |
| 19:41.53 | Pei | and i dunno where the logs are....... |
| 19:41.54 | Jimmothy | normally it prompts you if it detects something needs it |
| 19:42.00 | Jimmothy | it does with my netbook |
| 19:42.01 | Devastator | Brigo he is installing the OS, how can he install firmware before that? |
| 19:42.08 | Brigo | Pei: are you in text mode? |
| 19:42.12 | Pei | yes |
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| 19:42.24 | Brigo | Devastator: usually from a usb stick. |
| 19:42.40 | Devastator | without the OS? |
| 19:42.53 | Brigo | mounting it and so, ORRR using a netinstall WITH non-free aka with firmware. |
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| 19:43.19 | Devastator | brb |
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| 19:45.48 | Pei | ok i don't get it, is it supposed to ask me if i want to connect to a wifi access point or not? |
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| 19:46.27 | Pei | in the logs it only says stuff about eth0... but since there is no ifconfig on the system, i dunno if there is a wifi driver loaded |
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| 19:47.16 | Jimmothy | can you not just stick an ethernet cable in? |
| 19:47.39 | Pei | no i can't... it's wifi only where i am |
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| 19:47.54 | Brigo | Pei: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/wheezy_di_beta4/ |
| 19:48.06 | blaamann | Pei: The netinstall got wireless-tools package on it IIRC |
| 19:48.08 | Brigo | this is wheezy with firmware included. |
| 19:48.28 | Pei | thanks |
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| 19:48.34 | Pei | i'll try it |
| 19:48.59 | blaamann | Pei: http://drift.slxdrift.no/oslo/netinstall/pool/main/w/wireless-tools/ |
| 19:49.01 | Brigo | good look, so :-) |
| 19:49.27 | Pei | blaamann: what am i supposed to do with that |
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| 19:49.34 | blaamann | pei: try installing it with: aptitude install wireless-tools |
| 19:49.48 | Pei | while installing the OS? |
| 19:49.52 | Brigo | Pei: you can look for how to install debian in your laptop, in google, it can help :-) |
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| 19:50.56 | jhutchins_wk | !ig |
| 19:50.57 | dpkg | The Installation Guide for Debian 6.0 "Squeeze" can be found at http://www.debian.org/releases/squeeze/installmanual . See also <errata> <firmware images> <installer firmware> <release notes>. |
| 19:51.16 | Pei | ok wait, blaamann, where do i put the wireless tools? on the installation media? |
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| 19:56.25 | blaamann | Pei: It might be on the image (your usb stick) already. |
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| 19:59.32 | otters | http://vmiklos.hu/bitlbee-skype/#_installing_under_frugalware_or_debian says to install bitlbee-plugin-skype from the "unstable" repo but I'm not sure which one it's referring to |
| 19:59.58 | otters | /etc/apt/sources.list is https://gist.github.com/anonymous/49136b10e15cf62bc345 |
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| 20:01.24 | phoenix_firebrd | is this the debian developer channel or is debian-devel is invite only? |
| 20:01.57 | zykotick9 | phoenix_firebrd: are you trying on freenode or oftc? |
| 20:02.14 | phoenix_firebrd | ya |
| 20:02.25 | phoenix_firebrd | oops |
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| 20:02.31 | phoenix_firebrd | wait let me check |
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| 20:02.51 | phoenix_firebrd | zykotick9: ya its freenode |
| 20:02.58 | phoenix_firebrd | zykotick9: something wrong? |
| 20:03.02 | zykotick9 | !oftc |
| 20:03.03 | dpkg | OFTC is the Open and Free Technology Community, a support/collaboration service. They have an IRC network: irc.oftc.net. You may be connected to OFTC's network. http://www.oftc.net/ See also <freenode>, <oftc move> and <fact sharing>. |
| 20:03.24 | linguini | Is there any reason to prefer i386 to amd64? |
| 20:03.43 | phoenix_firebrd | linguini: more apps |
| 20:04.10 | phoenix_firebrd | linguini: some of the games are still available only for i386 |
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| 20:04.41 | phoenix_firebrd | linguini: but personally i think using amd64 is the best |
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| 20:05.03 | linguini | phoenix_firebrd: Ah, thanks. Right. I would imagine 80% of CPUs are amd64... |
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| 20:05.23 | otters | also, every link on this page is 404'd http://packages.debian.org/sid/alpha/bitlbee-plugin-skype/download |
| 20:05.25 | otters | is that normal |
| 20:05.28 | phoenix_firebrd | zykotick9: i should use oftc to access debian-devel? |
| 20:05.40 | zykotick9 | phoenix_firebrd: yes |
| 20:05.48 | phoenix_firebrd | zykotick9: why so? |
| 20:05.59 | zykotick9 | phoenix_firebrd: oftc is the official debian irc network |
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| 20:06.32 | zykotick9 | lots more debian channels there |
| 20:06.36 | phoenix_firebrd | i am new to irc networks, i am using quassel and can i use two networks in parallel? |
| 20:06.49 | Pei | it is? |
| 20:06.54 | jelly-home | most modern clients can do that |
| 20:06.56 | Pei | then why am i wasting my time with you hacks? |
| 20:06.59 | Pei | rofl |
| 20:06.59 | zykotick9 | phoenix_firebrd: i have no idea what quassel is, but i'd guess yes |
| 20:07.02 | Pei | just kidding guys |
| 20:07.12 | Pei | i appreciate all your help |
| 20:07.17 | phoenix_firebrd | zykotick9: thats akde irc client |
| 20:07.26 | Pei | i just wish i could get wireless netinstall to work!!!!!!! |
| 20:07.30 | Pei | argh |
| 20:07.32 | blaamann | Pei: http://crunchbang.org/forums/viewtopic.php?id=14684 |
| 20:07.35 | phoenix_firebrd | zykotick9: thats a kde irc client |
| 20:07.41 | Pei | hopefully this wheezy iso will fix it |
| 20:07.42 | zykotick9 | phoenix_firebrd: kde, would explain why i don't know it ;) |
| 20:07.58 | phoenix_firebrd | :) |
| 20:08.02 | Pei | it's not wpa |
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| 20:08.17 | phoenix_firebrd | zykotick9: perhaps unity then? |
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| 20:11.00 | phoenix_firebrd | zykotick9: ty, joined the #ubuntu-devel through OFTC |
| 20:11.59 | zykotick9 | phoenix_firebrd: glad to help. glad you got it figured out. |
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| 20:33.31 | Pei | okay well |
| 20:33.54 | Pei | firmware wheezy didn't ask about any wifi hardware either |
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| 20:35.04 | Pei | why can't debian just work? |
| 20:35.10 | Pei | like other distros |
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| 20:35.23 | ompaul | Pei: you don't use it correctly? |
| 20:35.40 | ompaul | Pei: it works for me, I read the wiki, have you tried that? |
| 20:35.49 | nkuttler | Pei: missing firmware? |
| 20:35.58 | Pei | you were able to do a wifi net install? |
| 20:36.01 | Pei | ompaul |
| 20:36.01 | Pei | ? |
| 20:36.02 | abrotman | Pei: which wifi device? |
| 20:36.08 | abrotman | Pei: less enter key please |
| 20:36.11 | Pei | one sec looking that up |
| 20:36.18 | ompaul | Pei: I used wire |
| 20:36.34 | Pei | ompaul: okay then |
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| 20:36.40 | ompaul | learned it's easy with wire |
| 20:36.56 | Pei | well i don't have access to wired K? |
| 20:37.30 | digdilem | wire ftw |
| 20:37.41 | Pei | Realtek RTL8188CE Wireless LAN 802.11n PCI-E NIC |
| 20:38.15 | ompaul | Pei: as I said use the wiki http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/NetbootFirmware |
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| 20:38.31 | Pei | i know the latest kernels support it, cuz slackware does |
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| 20:41.51 | abrotman | isnt' that card pretty old? |
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| 20:43.04 | Pei | ompaul: how am i supposed to wget something when i'm not hooked up to the internet? |
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| 20:43.24 | nkuttler | Pei: you're on the internet now |
| 20:43.27 | digdilem | same way yu're on irc? |
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| 20:43.36 | Aut0Exec | hi guys |
| 20:43.43 | Aut0Exec | i dont see a decent pastebin app in the repo |
| 20:43.46 | Pei | nkuttler: uhm, i'm on a windows machine? |
| 20:43.55 | abrotman | Aut0Exec: pastebinit for starters |
| 20:44.01 | korhojoa | then use cygwin? |
| 20:44.04 | nkuttler | Pei: and windows can download files over http, at least i hear that |
| 20:44.05 | digdilem | wget works on windows too, and flashdrive the files across? |
| 20:44.05 | Aut0Exec | i instlaled pastebinit but... it not working |
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| 20:44.08 | abrotman | because searching for pastebin is too hard |
| 20:44.15 | abrotman | Aut0Exec: read the man page |
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| 20:44.38 | abrotman | Aut0Exec: pick another pastesite .. or install the nopaste perl stuff |
| 20:44.41 | Pei | nkuttler: fine but then how do I add it to the initrd |
| 20:44.46 | Aut0Exec | abrotman: THIS API HAS BEEN DISABLED. Please use Pastebin's new API. http://pastebin.com/api |
| 20:44.56 | abrotman | read the man page .. |
| 20:45.00 | abrotman | shocker .. i know |
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| 20:45.09 | Aut0Exec | due manpage doest help |
| 20:45.11 | nkuttler | Pei: you have some linux system you can boot? |
| 20:45.14 | Aut0Exec | wont work anymore |
| 20:45.17 | Aut0Exec | i read amn page |
| 20:45.18 | abrotman | Aut0Exec: then you haven't read it |
| 20:45.19 | Aut0Exec | man page |
| 20:45.21 | Aut0Exec | yes |
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| 20:45.23 | Aut0Exec | i read |
| 20:45.27 | abrotman | good luck |
| 20:45.29 | Aut0Exec | i know i'm using it correctly |
| 20:45.35 | themill | dpkg: tell Aut0Exec about pastebinit config |
| 20:45.43 | Pei | this is insane |
| 20:45.47 | Towzzer | why would grep fail to find service.service=3 |
| 20:45.57 | abrotman | Towzzer: ask #bash .. seriously |
| 20:46.00 | Towzzer | when I grep for 'service.service' but work when I do 'service' |
| 20:46.36 | Pei | obviously debian is not ready for laptop/wireless install... i guess i'll use archlinux or something else as my desktop linux, |
| 20:46.48 | Pei | don't get me wrong i like debian as a server |
| 20:46.59 | Pei | thought i'd like it as a desktop too but |
| 20:47.06 | Pei | it's just not working out |
| 20:47.13 | abrotman | Pei: thanks, good luck |
| 20:47.18 | nkuttler | Pei: works for me. bye |
| 20:47.22 | Pei | thanks guys] |
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| 20:49.23 | rexwin_ | when i try to install apt-get install rsync, i get |
| 20:49.36 | rexwin_ | http://pastebin.com/rA4J23VP |
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| 20:50.17 | korhojoa | rexwin_: what are you running |
| 20:50.24 | rexwin_ | no use of running 'apt-get -f install' |
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| 20:51.03 | abrotman | rexwin_: you need to finish whatever halfcomplete dist-upgrade you've done |
| 20:51.03 | Pei | hrm weird |
| 20:51.12 | Pei | lol |
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| 20:51.17 | Pei | looks like |
| 20:51.33 | themill | tries to remember which release had libc6 2.3.6-15 |
| 20:51.33 | abrotman | Pei: lay off the enter key |
| 20:51.42 | abrotman | themill: sarge? i thnik? |
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| 20:51.55 | abrotman | judd: versions libc6 |
| 20:51.57 | judd | Package: libc6 on i386 -- lenny: 2.7-18lenny7; lenny-security: 2.7-18lenny7; squeeze-updates: 2.11.3-3; squeeze: 2.11.3-4; squeeze-proposed-updates: 2.11.3-4; wheezy: 2.13-37; sid: 2.13-38; experimental: 2.17-0experimental2 |
| 20:51.58 | themill | abrotman: yeah, base-files 3.1.9. win |
| 20:51.59 | Pei | nnnnnnnnnnO |
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| 20:52.16 | Pei | lol, i'm kidding, will do |
| 20:52.27 | abrotman | themill: i get a cookie? |
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| 20:53.48 | themill | .cookie abrotman |
| 20:53.49 | rexwin_ | abrotman, when i run apt-get dist-upgrade i get The following packages have unmet dependencies: libc6: Depends: tzdata but it is not installed l |
| 20:53.52 | themill | !cookie abrotman |
| 20:53.54 | dpkg | Hey themill, lenny pool 1 is rektide=2008-08-21 themill=2008-12-01 dutchfish=2008-11-11 brylie=2008-07-15 thedonvaughn=2009-02-05 slxix=2008-10-31 asg=argh, not before I finish upgrading the sarge boxes. avu=2009-01-23 Guerin=2009-03-13 chealer=2009-02-15 cydork=2008-12-31 gpm=2009-02-10 supaplex=my birthday. jelly=2008-08-25 PerfDave=2009-01-14 witte=2009-03-01 abrotman=2009-04-08 streuner=2009-06-15 hark=2009-04-17 |
| 20:54.13 | themill | eek |
| 20:54.13 | abrotman | almost timely |
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| 20:54.23 | abrotman | watches themill highlight the oldtimers |
| 20:54.24 | themill | rexwin_: you need to upgrade from sarge to etch, then etch to lenny then lenny to squeeze. Or perhaps you would like to reinstall. |
| 20:54.36 | abrotman | rexwin_: what is this system ? |
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| 20:55.05 | xor_ | Hi, I'm new to Debian, I'm using Debian testing, and I'm having a bit of a problem with the software upate program. When I try installing updates it keeps trying to downgrade the packages first, and gives me an error message (E: Internal error, packages left unconfigured. gir1.2-goa-1.0:amd64). If I do the update on synaptic everything goes fine. I would like though to have the software updates working properly. Can someone help me? |
| 20:55.13 | rexwin_ | debian GNU/Linux testing/unstable \n \l |
| 20:55.22 | abrotman | i meant what does the box do |
| 20:55.41 | rexwin_ | it houses web-development files |
| 20:55.57 | abrotman | so a CVS repository? |
| 20:56.05 | rexwin_ | yes |
| 20:56.15 | rexwin_ | you are absolutely right. |
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| 20:56.49 | abrotman | so you could move your cvsroot elsewhere and just reinstasll the box ? probably less painful that doing what is actually the 'correct' way |
| 20:57.00 | Pei | i'm willing to do the http://crunchbang.org/forums/viewtopic.php?id=14684 install for wifi, but I don't understand where I get my module for my wifi card at |
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| 20:57.23 | abrotman | rexwin_: admittedly, a CVS server is low maintenance |
| 20:57.30 | abrotman | Pei: this is #debian .. crunchbang won't help |
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| 20:58.08 | Pei | oh |
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| 20:58.42 | rexwin_ | abrotman, you mean that i cannot install a simple rsync package in this machine |
| 20:58.42 | Pei | WHY does it have to be so hard to just get wireless support :( |
| 20:58.47 | Pei | cries |
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| 20:59.23 | abrotman | rexwin_: you'd have to use aptitude at this point .. and it's likely to remove a lot of thigns |
| 20:59.30 | abrotman | rexwin_: pastebin your sources.list to a pasteb site |
| 21:01.08 | tuvwx | any reasons for choosing one of ufw and shorewall over the other? |
| 21:01.35 | Pei | so, no one knows where i can get an iso that has RTL8188CE drivers |
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| 21:01.52 | xor_ | I think I found it: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=699681 |
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| 21:02.53 | rexwin_ | abrotman, http://pastebin.com/5w58SrJn |
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| 21:03.54 | Pei | !!!!!!!!! |
| 21:03.57 | abrotman | rexwin_: oh wow very bad |
| 21:04.20 | abrotman | !tell rexwin_ about etch sources.list |
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| 21:04.38 | abrotman | rexwin_: see if you can at least get your box to use etch .. then you can figure out where to go from there |
| 21:05.15 | Pei | does or does not debian support wifi out of the box? |
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| 21:05.44 | Pei | like what if i downloaded the full install iso instead of just the netinstall |
| 21:05.54 | Pei | then would i get wifi to work? |
| 21:05.55 | Aut0Exec | themill: you there? |
| 21:06.20 | ompaul | Pei: did you look here [20:38:15] <ompaul> Pei: as I said use the wiki http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/NetbootFirmware |
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| 21:06.43 | Pei | yes but, it's too complicated i don't understand it |
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| 21:06.57 | ompaul | Pei: ah read it you read the crunchbang site |
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| 21:07.18 | ompaul | tell us exactly what you don't understand line and what not |
| 21:07.23 | Pei | # cd to the directory where you have your initrd |
| 21:07.24 | Pei | cd /tftpboot/debian-installer/i386 |
| 21:07.30 | otters | does anybody here use skyped |
| 21:08.25 | mtn | otters: ask your real question |
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| 21:08.28 | Pei | i don't understand any of it |
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| 21:08.37 | ompaul | its commands |
| 21:08.44 | Pei | how am i supposed to do all that if i don;t have the system instal;led yet? |
| 21:08.47 | Pei | no i know |
| 21:09.06 | ompaul | Pei: start here - frankly http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Build |
| 21:09.07 | otters | why does this happen when I try to connect to skyped in bitlbee |
| 21:09.09 | otters | https://gist.github.com/otters/fa274d4b7ff15a023b90 |
| 21:09.23 | otters | the error occurs when I try to connect, not right when I run skyped |
| 21:09.38 | Argafal | i'm trying to decide between an encrypted loopback file and encfs. My use case is a remotely mounted (Nfs or sshfs) harddrive on which i want to store a back-up of my data, in encrypted form. Does anyone have any opinion as to which one might be preferable and for which reasons? I don't mind the fixed size of the loopback, mostly i want it to be fast, and simple. |
| 21:09.44 | ompaul | Pei: this may be too hard - but a wire will do it move laptop to somewhere you can do it I'd suggest http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Build |
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| 21:10.00 | ompaul | Pei: that link was on the page I referred to |
| 21:10.31 | Pei | ompaul: my friend, i am bed-bound in a nursing facility, i have muscular dystrophy and have no access to the wired port] |
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| 21:11.14 | ompaul | give box to someone else to set up |
| 21:11.30 | ompaul | Pei: I can't really overcome that problem from this remove |
| 21:11.55 | Pei | in otherwords, debian as a desktop is just not an option for me |
| 21:12.13 | ompaul | well you use it for servers so I guess you know others who can help |
| 21:12.27 | Pei | no, i use it for my servers in dallas tv |
| 21:12.30 | Pei | tx* |
| 21:12.51 | Pei | i bought dedicated servers and had debian installed |
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| 21:13.00 | Pei | well on one of them |
| 21:13.22 | ompaul | leaves you to your own devices I can't think of any other way it would work for you |
| 21:13.32 | Pei | well thanks anyways |
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| 21:13.43 | Pei | i guess it's some other distro for me |
| 21:13.52 | Pei | for desktop anyways |
| 21:13.54 | ompaul | (download an install usb and a couple of usb keys with firmware) |
| 21:14.03 | ompaul | and then get on with it |
| 21:14.09 | ompaul | where there is a will there is a way |
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| 21:14.27 | ompaul | you can install the firmware blobs afterward with dpkg -i foo.deb |
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| 21:14.46 | Pei | i have the install on usb, i don't know where to get firmware for my card |
| 21:14.54 | Pei | rtl8188ce |
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| 21:15.20 | ompaul | packages.debian.org |
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| 21:15.41 | Romme | how do i read a Maildir in console? |
| 21:15.50 | Pei | can you do me a favor and tell me which file........ and how to load the firmware |
| 21:16.47 | ompaul | Pei: this and I'm going to get the bot to tell you more http://wiki.debian.org/rtl819x you must read that also just in case you miss something |
| 21:17.09 | Pei | 819? |
| 21:17.14 | Pei | mine is 818 |
| 21:17.16 | ompaul | Pei: read the page |
| 21:17.19 | ompaul | it works for yours |
| 21:17.26 | Pei | k |
| 21:17.33 | Pei | ah i see |
| 21:17.34 | ompaul | and read the stuff the bot sent you |
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| 21:17.48 | ompaul | heads off for a bit |
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| 21:19.33 | rexwin_ | it i want to upgrade my box to etch, how would i go about it |
| 21:19.55 | abrotman | rexwin_: read the etch release notes |
| 21:20.16 | Pei | bot didn't send me anything |
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| 21:20.37 | rexwin_ | deb http://archive.debian.org/debian etch main contrib non-free |
| 21:20.41 | rexwin_ | deb http://archive.debian.org/debian-security etch/updates main contrib non-free |
| 21:20.56 | rexwin_ | and run apt-get dist upgrade, right |
| 21:21.09 | rexwin_ | add them to sources.list |
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| 21:22.40 | Pei | okay... forget it... for now at least |
| 21:22.44 | Pei | ttyl all |
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| 21:23.25 | LtL | Pei: /msg dpkg rtl8188ce |
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| 21:24.20 | abrotman | right, haven't done that before .. |
| 21:24.33 | ompaul | LtL: while my kettle boils I sent wireless this time correctly |
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| 21:24.49 | ompaul | abrotman: which? |
| 21:25.00 | ompaul | ah |
| 21:25.05 | ompaul | backs away from the archive |
| 21:25.48 | Pei | yeah it's telling me to edit /etc/apt/sources.list ... I DON't have it installed yet... I don't have networking to use apt-get even if i did |
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| 21:27.15 | Pei | i'll be back later |
| 21:27.19 | Pei | very frustrated |
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| 21:28.18 | ompaul | Pei: ask like this "what do I do in case X when I don't have networking and can't get it" and then maybe you copy the .deb from firmware and type dpkg -i foo.deb (where foo is the firmware's name) and so on |
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| 21:28.24 | drasko | join #emdebian |
| 21:28.31 | ompaul | no you ;-) |
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| 21:28.49 | drasko | ;) |
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| 21:29.23 | ompaul | !volunteers |
| 21:29.23 | dpkg | Volunteers are people who do things for you for free. All the helpers on #debian are volunteers. Please treat them with respect and don't expect them to follow your orders. Insulting them or the things that they have worked hard to create is not a good way of getting help. |
| 21:29.38 | ompaul | drasko: ^^ ;-) |
| 21:29.40 | ompaul | hides |
| 21:30.02 | ompaul | and now its kettle time |
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| 21:31.01 | drasko | hi all, I wanted to know what is the best way to bake Debian embedded distro |
| 21:31.14 | fajji | hi 30 m Uk hot n sexy i m stock trader and investor if any female interested pm me plz |
| 21:31.18 | fajji | hi 30 m Uk hot n sexy i m stock trader and investor if any female interested pm me plz |
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| 21:32.02 | drasko | I saw lot of people taking custom kernel and then use multistrap to build filesystem |
| 21:32.08 | drasko | is this the best way ? |
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| 21:34.05 | lroe | I'm looking for the gtk package name? I have a piece of software that requires gtk version 2.20+ but I can't seem to find a package name 'gtk' |
| 21:34.37 | Towzzer | apt-cache search *gtk* |
| 21:34.58 | ompaul | drasko: you are still in #debian ;-) |
| 21:36.27 | abrotman | Towzzer: what are the asterisks for ? |
| 21:37.02 | lroe | Towzzer, not sure what the asterisks do |
| 21:37.13 | lroe | but apt-cache search gtk returns 1417 results |
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| 21:37.37 | ompaul | lroe: what is the piece of software? |
| 21:37.48 | jacksmithz | during the debian installation process can i somehow avoid installing "acpi-support", "acpid", and "acpi" ? |
| 21:37.57 | lroe | an in house app, I trying to et to work in Debian |
| 21:38.17 | lroe | so the first thing I'm going is checking the dependencies |
| 21:38.40 | Towzzer | you can't search packages with wildcards? |
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| 21:39.04 | KsM | Towzzer: dpkg -l '*bla*' |
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| 21:39.41 | lroe | looks like libgtk is what I'm looking for |
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| 21:40.24 | drasko | ompaul, yes, this seem to be the place to ask |
| 21:40.29 | lroe | Towzzer, what KsM said, but the point was that with that kind of wildcard there were way too many results |
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| 21:41.16 | ompaul | jacksmithz: install your system and then edit the grub line when it starts up like acpi=off and stuff like that |
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| 21:42.23 | jacksmithz | ompaul: thanks, but I was hoping to find a solution where it dindt install it at all |
| 21:43.04 | abrotman | Towzzer: yes, you can |
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| 21:43.22 | abrotman | Towzzer: but they don't have any effect in that case |
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| 21:46.13 | mr_dallas | to fix something broken with apt, I was trying to apt-get -d upgrade , then from a bootable cd apt-get --no-downloads --ignore-missing -o RootDir=/mnt/sda/ upgrade , but the cdrom (grml) apt-get seemed to ignore --no-downloads and seemed to be ignoring the --no-downloads --- any ideas what I might be doing wrong ? TIA |
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| 21:48.48 | jhutchins_wk | mr_dallas: Perhaps your sources.list is not set up correctly to use the disc. |
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| 21:49.33 | ffunenga | hello, can somebody help me? http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/64468/how-do-i-install-libgtk-3-dev-in-elementaryos |
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| 21:50.10 | mr_dallas | sounds plausible, jhutchins_wk -- so i need some direction to the /var/cache/apt/archives/ in sda's /etc/apt/sources.list , right? |
| 21:50.14 | jhutchins_wk | ffunenga: That would not appear to be a debian support question. |
| 21:50.46 | ffunenga | but its related to apt-get and packages |
| 21:51.07 | ffunenga | I didnt mean to intrude, sorry. |
| 21:51.33 | jhutchins_wk | mr_dallas: Provided the required software is in the cache, it should find it automatically. |
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| 21:51.42 | jhutchins_wk | mr_dallas: I had misunderstood what you were tryin gto do. |
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| 21:52.25 | jhutchins_wk | mr_dallas: Generally you want to do that sort of thing from a chroot, but that only helps with systems that are unbootable, not with broken apt. |
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| 21:52.42 | jhutchins_wk | mr_dallas: How is apt broken? |
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| 21:53.17 | garyseven | hey, if i'm trying to build debs out of a git checkout, how do i get dpkg-buildpackage to not complain about the missing orig tarball? |
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| 21:53.44 | mr_dallas | when I've tried doing an install or upgrade, apparently on just any exectuble binary, it comes back with some 'unary operater expected' (as I recall), |
| 21:54.20 | mr_dallas | then all commands at the CLI generate a 'seg fault' |
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| 21:55.12 | mr_dallas | until I reinstall from a backup |
| 21:55.16 | garyseven | anyone? how to generate upstream tarball from git repo? |
| 21:55.20 | jhutchins_wk | mr_dallas: You could pastebin an example. What happened to the system? |
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| 21:55.54 | mr_dallas | it's runing right now after the reinstallation |
| 21:56.14 | mr_dallas | s/reinstallation/restoration/ |
| 21:56.17 | jhutchins_wk | garyseven: Probably depends on the project. You would basically use git to replicate the source tree, then tar the source tree. |
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| 21:57.04 | jhutchins_wk | mr_dallas: Ok, so apt breaks the whole system, right? Again, what happened to it? |
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| 21:57.54 | woshty | is there an official evolution channel? |
| 21:57.55 | garyseven | gah, that takes forever. is there a way to get it to build everything (arch and indep) *except* the source package? the only thing I've found so far is running it twice, once with -A and once with -B? |
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| 22:00.51 | nkuttler | woshty: i think the gnome people have their own irc network |
| 22:00.55 | mr_dallas | apt would halt shortly after trying to install the first package or so, not far enough to get real progress, complained about (can't remember the exact phrase), but basicly no 'http' method fouund - configuration in /etc/apt/ seemed very different between grml/cd and /dev/sda/etc/apt/ |
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| 22:04.00 | mr_dallas | I was thinking it might be worthwhile to tar up /mnt/sda/etc/apt/ , temporarily, and replace it with the /etc/apt/ from grml/cd, or mount the cd over it, so presumably it would have a configuration it could work with |
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| 22:04.24 | mr_dallas | (the cd's /etc/apt directory that is) |
| 22:04.29 | ompaul | woshty: irc.gnome.org is your starting place |
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| 22:04.56 | ompaul | mr_dallas: debian is not grml http://grml.org/ #grml on irc.freenode.net. is where it is supported |
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| 22:05.50 | mr_dallas | grml is on the cd, not the hard disk |
| 22:06.28 | mr_dallas | debian is not grml , but grml is debian, at least the last time I checked |
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| 22:07.08 | ompaul | at a guess it would be called debian live cd if it was debian |
| 22:07.12 | ompaul | which does exist |
| 22:07.32 | ompaul | if you have debian on the disk and you have mixed it with grml you have frankendebian |
| 22:07.33 | jhutchins_wk | mr_dallas: I think you have problems with something other than apt. You still haven't said what happened to the system. I suspect your disk may be corrupt. |
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| 22:08.59 | jhutchins_wk | ompaul: He's trying to use the live cd to reinstall apt on the debian system. |
| 22:09.26 | mr_dallas | ompaul: to my knowledge there has been no mixing of the two, the packages that I'm trying to upgrade with were apt-get -d upgrade while runing with out grml |
| 22:09.58 | ompaul | mr_dallas: so what brought you to this situation? |
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| 22:10.27 | ompaul | mr_dallas: if apt suddenly stopped working then I suspect something else is wrong |
| 22:10.46 | ompaul | mr_dallas: if you umount the disk can you fsck it and see if it has integrity? |
| 22:11.07 | mr_dallas | jhutchins_wk: the system is running right now, my irc client is running on it, it is bootable, and fairly stable as long as I don't try upgrading or installing anything |
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| 22:11.46 | mr_dallas | ompaul/jhutchins_wk: you both are probably right that something else is wrong, no argument that there may be a deeper problem. |
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| 22:15.33 | mr_dallas | recalling the history over the last couple of weeks, I think this started when I tried to install some software from testing on this stable system. My hope was to bring everything back into synchronization as stable, but to simply do that is not possible right now |
| 22:16.03 | mr_dallas | s/simply/*simply*/ |
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| 22:20.46 | mr_dallas | perhaps I should repeat the process, using a debian stable install cd istead? would that be worth a try? |
| 22:20.53 | ompaul | mr_dallas: progression is a one way direction downgrades are really not supported (that being said there is partial downgrade) |
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| 22:21.55 | ompaul | but that being said I'd say unless you have really good business reasons not to I'd make the box wheezy not testing and dist-upgrade and hope you got it all ok (but as to why apt doesn't work ... no idea) |
| 22:22.07 | ompaul | mr_dallas: and backups you may want them |
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| 22:22.18 | sdistefano | Hi, I'm having problems with excessive load on a server, can't figure out what it is |
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| 22:22.26 | sdistefano | I kill the culpits I find with htop but it doesn't help |
| 22:22.32 | mr_dallas | it wouldn't be running right now without backups |
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| 22:23.13 | ompaul | sdistefano: what's the load |
| 22:23.27 | sdistefano | load average 2.21 |
| 22:23.35 | sdistefano | memory 100% swap 100% |
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| 22:23.47 | ompaul | sdistefano: how big a box with cpu and ram? |
| 22:24.02 | sdistefano | it's a small server on joyent ; just 1GB of ram |
| 22:24.10 | sdistefano | but it only has a few sites |
| 22:24.24 | sdistefano | however I see TONS of sshd processes |
| 22:24.42 | sdistefano | 1740 |
| 22:24.55 | sdistefano | could that be a reason? |
| 22:25.02 | JPT | sdistefano: turn of ssh password authentication and/or use fail2ban to prevent ssh brute force attacks |
| 22:25.16 | JPT | run tail -f on /var/log/auth.log to check what's going on with sshd |
| 22:25.37 | mr_dallas | anyway, thanks for the info / sounding board, ompaul, jhutchins_wk , got to leave now |
| 22:25.48 | sdistefano | JPT: thanks, but nothing much |
| 22:25.52 | sdistefano | it's quiet now |
| 22:25.56 | sdistefano | and the last logins are mine |
| 22:26.08 | JPT | make sure all logins were and will stay yours |
| 22:26.30 | ompaul | [22:24:25] <sdistefano> however I see TONS of sshd processes [22:24:42] <sdistefano> 1740 |
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| 22:26.48 | JPT | either they gave up or they won :P |
| 22:26.55 | ompaul | aye |
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| 22:28.36 | sdistefano | I think they gave up |
| 22:28.45 | sdistefano | I see now brute force attempts |
| 22:28.53 | sdistefano | but has it not freed memory? should I restart sshd? |
| 22:29.00 | eyedea | sdistefano: change ur port |
| 22:29.04 | eyedea | disallow root login |
| 22:29.20 | ompaul | no it will release it over time and at least disallow root logins |
| 22:29.25 | JPT | use public/private keys for ssh |
| 22:29.30 | JPT | disable password authentication |
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| 22:30.04 | ompaul | JPT: it's useful to use a password as long as your not using tom dick or harry as usernames - I'll leave the rest to the user as an experiment ;-) |
| 22:30.12 | ompaul | and don't allow root |
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| 22:30.23 | sdistefano | all done, however I still have 2.31 load |
| 22:30.26 | sdistefano | after restarting ssh |
| 22:30.36 | b0ss_ | a good and stable torrent client for Debian ? |
| 22:30.42 | eyedea | rtorrent |
| 22:30.46 | eyedea | transmission |
| 22:30.47 | eyedea | deluge |
| 22:31.08 | ompaul | sdistefano: what does the computer do? |
| 22:31.25 | sdistefano | I stil have 1742 ssh processes for some reason |
| 22:31.34 | sdistefano | the computer is a web and rabbitmq server |
| 22:31.43 | sdistefano | it hosts node and python sites |
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| 22:32.02 | otters | why does asciidoc require 1.2GB |
| 22:32.55 | jacksmithz | is the debian netinst.iso the only debian installation iso that have the option "select and install software" ? |
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| 22:33.16 | JPT | sdistefano: maybe check netstat -an for ssh connections (incoming or outgoing) |
| 22:33.19 | themill | jacksmithz: the installer is identical on each image |
| 22:33.34 | jacksmithz | no it is not |
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| 22:33.50 | ompaul | jacksmithz: careful be exact ;-) |
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| 22:34.00 | ompaul | the installer is identical but the installed is not |
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| 22:34.42 | jacksmithz | well businesscard.iso and netins.iso have a different installer than the installers in the live ISOs |
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| 22:35.02 | themill | the live ISOs are not installer images |
| 22:35.13 | sdistefano | ok I think it's SSH tunnels |
| 22:35.45 | sdistefano | that computer is tunneling for another computer ... but 2 tunnels are opening over 1k ports! |
| 22:35.46 | jacksmithz | then my bad (just though of them as installation ISOs too, because they can functions as one) |
| 22:36.02 | sdistefano | does anyone know how to make those lighter? or what should I use instead of tunnels? |
| 22:36.16 | JPT | sdistefano: you might consider to use openvpn |
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| 22:37.29 | lattera | so I'm switching an interface from dhcp to static ip using /etc/networking/interfaces |
| 22:37.40 | lattera | after I make the config file changes, I run /etc/init.d/networking restart |
| 22:37.52 | lattera | and dhclient is still running on the device! |
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| 22:38.08 | lattera | how do I get debian to respect my networking config file without having to restart the box? |
| 22:38.21 | sdistefano | any way to optimize SSH tunnels? |
| 22:38.22 | nkuttler | lattera: kill the process? |
| 22:38.27 | sdistefano | or are they inherently inefficient? |
| 22:38.42 | ompaul | sdistefano: how many users? |
| 22:38.46 | lattera | nkuttler: that partially solves the problem, the other problem is that dns servers don't get reset |
| 22:39.00 | lattera | even though I have them listed for the device in /etc/networking/interfaces |
| 22:39.18 | ompaul | sdistefano: also how are people talking to the rabbit ssh? |
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| 22:40.09 | lattera | sorry, /etc/network/interfaces, rather |
| 22:40.22 | sdistefano | found the problem, it wa a supervisor script that opened the tunnels |
| 22:40.31 | sdistefano | and it opened them a million times because the script didn't wait |
| 22:40.43 | nkuttler | lattera: restarting the network without dhclient running could fix your resolv.conf, if not just edit it |
| 22:40.47 | ompaul | so kill the script from the initial box |
| 22:41.01 | lattera | nkuttler: kk, I'll give that a shot |
| 22:41.14 | sdistefano | just a quick one, how do I make a script stay after running commands |
| 22:41.26 | sdistefano | I mean stay in the foreground forever instead of quitting |
| 22:41.28 | sdistefano | with bash |
| 22:41.39 | ompaul | sdistefano: does it have work to do after it starts? |
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| 22:41.55 | sdistefano | ompaul: no but otherwise supervisor will keep running it ad infinitum |
| 22:42.07 | sdistefano | ompaul: and it's useful for me to have it with as supervisor |
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| 22:42.38 | ompaul | sdistefano: it should only be used if you need to monitor things - or you should be logging, and only log that which you will ready |
| 22:42.43 | ompaul | s/ready/read |
| 22:42.59 | ompaul | and really write something to spot exceptional logs |
| 22:43.15 | sdistefano | ompaul: do you have a very quick way to setup the routes with upstart and amek sure they get run before supervisor? |
| 22:43.19 | sdistefano | ompaul: is it really quick? |
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| 22:43.42 | ompaul | upstart - your using upstart? |
| 22:43.49 | ompaul | !upstart |
| 22:43.49 | dpkg | Upstart is an event-based replacement for the /sbin/init daemon which handles starting of tasks and services during boot, stopping them during shutdown and supervising them while the system is running. http://upstart.ubuntu.com/ #upstart on irc.freenode.net. See also http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2009/09/msg00003.html |
| 22:44.21 | ompaul | not using upstart |
| 22:45.24 | sdistefano | I'm not using upstart because I don't know how to |
| 22:45.29 | drasko | Hi all, I'd like to use Debian on ARM host, but cross-compile on PC. What's the status of Multi-Arch, and what are the best practicess for cross-compiling filesystem ? |
| 22:45.29 | sdistefano | I thouhgt it'd be much easier to use supervisor |
| 22:45.44 | ompaul | sdistefano: do this put a sleep 30 at the start of the script and a bit later on to stop it from respawning then have it sanity check for presence of testing for the daemon running |
| 22:45.47 | sdistefano | since the scripts use that to run it made sense to make the routes use that too |
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| 22:46.32 | ompaul | sdistefano: what version debian is it - wheezy or squeeze? |
| 22:46.43 | sdistefano | this other server is ubuntu 12.04 |
| 22:46.48 | ompaul | does a grammar check on self and gets annoyed |
| 22:46.53 | sdistefano | the one that connects to the debian server with tunnels |
| 22:47.10 | ompaul | well upstart is on ubuntu methinks |
| 22:47.20 | sdistefano | yes but is it fast to use it |
| 22:47.25 | ompaul | that would be a question for them |
| 22:47.36 | sdistefano | I'll rather use supervisor |
| 22:47.39 | sdistefano | I'll do the sanity check |
| 22:47.41 | sdistefano | thanks all |
| 22:47.43 | ompaul | #ubuntu ->> for doors that way |
| 22:47.46 | ompaul | four even |
| 22:47.54 | ompaul | thinks teh tired has gotten him |
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| 22:50.28 | drasko | Hi all, I'd like to use Debian on ARM host, but cross-compile on PC. What's the status of Multi-Arch, and what are the best practicess for cross-compiling filesystem ? |
| 22:50.45 | mordocai | Is there a list of who to contact if you notice an error on a mirror? It appears that the uchicago mirror has not updated their release files, they expired 3 days ago. (confirmed by apt-get update and manually pulling down the release file and checking) |
| 22:51.10 | sdistefano | sees top and rejoices |
| 22:51.12 | themill | mordocai: poking the debian-mirrors mailing list is usually best |
| 22:51.16 | sdistefano | thanks all! |
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| 22:56.24 | mordocai | themill: Thanks, sent an email to the list |
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| 22:57.28 | themill | mordocai: btw using http.debian.net can help get around this for you at the client end |
| 22:58.32 | mordocai | themill: That looks cool, never noticed it before. I was planning on just switching mirrors until uchicago was fixed, but this seems pretty cool. (Assuming it doesn't just choose uchicago anyway, I am very close to it) |
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| 22:59.12 | themill | it should notice that uchicago isn't updating and send you anywhere else instead |
| 22:59.58 | themill | http://http.debian.net/simulation.html btw |
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| 23:01.18 | lancecoder | hi all |
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| 23:01.52 | lancecoder | по русски кто нить шпрехает? |
| 23:02.26 | abrotman | lancecoder: english please |
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| 23:02.45 | lancecoder | who use systemd ? |
| 23:02.54 | b0ss_ | a good and stable torrent client for Debian ? |
| 23:02.55 | abrotman | lancecoder: for which linux distro? |
| 23:03.00 | abrotman | b0ss_: rtorrent |
| 23:03.10 | lancecoder | abrotman: deb7 |
| 23:03.18 | lancecoder | b0ss_: ktorrent, qtorrent |
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| 23:03.24 | abrotman | lancecoder: do you have an actual question about systemd? |
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| 23:04.28 | lancecoder | abrotman: sorry for my broken english )) systemd vs sysvinit ? what is good and what is bad ? |
| 23:04.34 | b0ss_ | abrotman , lancecoder : considering I'm using Gnome. which the most suitable ? |
| 23:05.25 | abrotman | lancecoder: use the default if you don't know any better |
| 23:05.36 | abrotman | b0ss_: transmission |
| 23:05.44 | eyedea | abrotman: |
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| 23:05.49 | lancecoder | abrotman: not default |
| 23:05.51 | zykotick9 | b0ss_: if you don't mind terminal apps, i'd highly recommend rtorrent |
| 23:06.00 | eyedea | I have downloaded Skype multiarch but when I open it with Gdebi it says i386 wrong arch. |
| 23:06.06 | eyedea | is there anything I can do to install it? |
| 23:06.09 | abrotman | lancecoder: then don't use the default .. clearly you know what you're doing |
| 23:06.10 | lancecoder | abrotman: it's recomended for me |
| 23:06.24 | lancecoder | abrotman: fast run os? |
| 23:06.29 | abrotman | eyedea: i have never used Skype, thank goodness |
| 23:06.34 | eyedea | gah |
| 23:06.53 | eyedea | Does anybody know why the Skype multiarch isn't working? I'm on amd64 but it says it's for i386 when opening with Gdebi |
| 23:06.54 | lancecoder | abrotman: systemd have more +++ ? |
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| 23:07.58 | lancecoder | eyedea: sudo dpkg -i ~/Downloads/skype_blabla.deb |
| 23:08.14 | mordocai | eyedea: http://wiki.debian.org/skype. Read the part under multi-arch if you haven't already |
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| 23:08.24 | abrotman | lancecoder: read the docs, find out |
| 23:08.36 | abrotman | eyedea: with Debian? |
| 23:08.50 | lancecoder | abrotman: redirect me on link, please |
| 23:08.50 | eyedea | this is a debian channel, so yes abrotman |
| 23:09.00 | abrotman | eyedea: you'd be surprised |
| 23:09.03 | abrotman | lancecoder: google.com |
| 23:09.04 | mordocai | eyedea: To be fair, we get a lot of ubuntu people |
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| 23:09.09 | eyedea | ah |
| 23:09.16 | abrotman | mordocai: a lot of !debian peoople |
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| 23:09.54 | lancecoder | abrotman: thx |
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| 23:10.20 | eyedea | root@breepc:/home/d/Desktop# dpkg --add-architecture i386 |
| 23:10.20 | eyedea | dpkg: unknown option --add-architecture |
| 23:10.20 | dpkg | eyedea: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox? |
| 23:10.27 | eyedea | why is this happenin |
| 23:10.46 | lancecoder | eyedea: sudo |
| 23:10.51 | eyedea | I am already su |
| 23:11.06 | mordocai | eyedea: Well, as the wiki says you have to be using wheezy or later... if you are on squeeze that won't work |
| 23:11.14 | eyedea | ah god damn |
| 23:11.16 | eyedea | missed that |
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| 23:11.17 | lancecoder | eyedea: in official skype.com have bug's |
| 23:11.26 | eyedea | http://forum.i-mscp.net/Thread-HOWTO-Install-skype-on-Debian-Squeeze-AMD64 |
| 23:11.27 | eyedea | found this |
| 23:11.45 | b0ss_ | why when I try to install rtorrent is mysql server called ? |
| 23:11.49 | mordocai | eyedea: There'es a second package "http://www.skype.com/go/getskype-linux-deb-64" that will supposedly work on amd64 squeeze |
| 23:11.59 | abrotman | b0ss_: mysql-client or server? |
| 23:12.17 | abrotman | eyedea: have you considered calling the Skype support line to ask them why their product isn't working? |
| 23:12.19 | lancecoder | b0ss_: :-D |
| 23:12.32 | lancecoder | b0ss_: install mongodb ) |
| 23:12.33 | b0ss_ | server |
| 23:12.40 | abrotman | lancecoder: please stick to your problem |
| 23:12.47 | eyedea | mordocai: I only find debian 7.0 multiarch+ |
| 23:12.53 | eyedea | ? |
| 23:12.56 | abrotman | b0ss_: use a pastebin, show us |
| 23:12.56 | lancecoder | abrotman: i'm googlю |
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| 23:12.58 | b0ss_ | lancecoder: it's get called automatically |
| 23:12.58 | abrotman | eyedea: call skype |
| 23:12.59 | eyedea | abrotman: its midnight here in Sweden |
| 23:13.03 | abrotman | eyedea: so what? |
| 23:13.17 | eyedea | i dont think their swedish support is open now |
| 23:13.21 | b0ss_ | does Debian uses MySQL to store information about the installed packages ? |
| 23:13.25 | James-C12 | I am trying to install x86_64 Wheezy on a computer and the disk load but when I select install I just get a black screen. Even when going through Expert install same thing. I can load x86_64 CentOS 6 and install but not debian. Debian CD works on my other computers as well so the disk can't be bad. Any suggestions? |
| 23:13.26 | abrotman | you seem to speak english quite well |
| 23:13.33 | lancecoder | b0ss_: rtorrent depends for mysql-server ? |
| 23:13.37 | abrotman | b0ss_:no, it does not |
| 23:13.37 | eyedea | yeah but do you know how expensive it is to call to the US from Sweden? |
| 23:13.45 | eyedea | ~$2/min |
| 23:13.58 | korhojoa | eyedea: swedish support probably isn't in sweden anyway |
| 23:14.12 | mordocai | eyedea: In any case, it looks like skype has stopped official support for debian 6.0, so you might just be out of luck |
| 23:14.13 | lancecoder | bb |
| 23:14.16 | eyedea | yes but they have swedish openin times |
| 23:14.22 | jacksmithz | does someone know why the debian-live standard.iso as opposed to all the debian-live desktop ISOs, the business.iso and the netisnt.iso, is the only ISO install debian without ACPI ? |
| 23:14.26 | mordocai | eyedea: That was at the top of the wiki page, and I didn't read it either -.- |
| 23:14.29 | eyedea | ugh, when is debian 7.0 coming out? as a stable release |
| 23:14.41 | abrotman | eyedea: when it's ready |
| 23:14.45 | eyedea | is there any ETA? |
| 23:14.50 | abrotman | no |
| 23:14.55 | themill | eyedea: "soon" etc. It's a pretty solid release already and unlikely to change much between now and release |
| 23:14.56 | jacksmithz | is the only ISO which install debiab without ACPI? * |
| 23:14.58 | b0ss_ | abrotman: so Debian and the other distros just store info on it in plain text files ? |
| 23:15.03 | abrotman | jacksmithz: huh? |
| 23:15.11 | mordocai | eyedea: We're moving to wheezy on our servers at work, it is pretty rock solid so far. |
| 23:15.12 | abrotman | b0ss_: we don' tknow about other distros |
| 23:15.15 | korhojoa | eyedea: so try with any of the many free us calling apps available |
| 23:15.15 | korhojoa | e |
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| 23:15.33 | b0ss_ | abrotman: ok, what about Debian ? |
| 23:15.35 | abrotman | pfft, the skype website doesn't even work .. no wonder their product doesn't work either |
| 23:15.47 | abrotman | b0ss_: /var/lib/dpkg/status |
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| 23:15.57 | themill | mordocai: just remember that you don't yet have timely security support for wheezy |
| 23:16.52 | eyedea | lol abrotman why do you hate on skype so much |
| 23:16.53 | mordocai | themill: True, not sure if that came up in the discussion. [I was told it, wasn't really my decision] |
| 23:16.54 | jacksmithz | the debian-live-6.0.6-amd64-standard.iso installs debian without the packages "acpi-support", "acpid", and "acpi" |
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| 23:17.36 | jacksmithz | all the other live CDs and both the business.iso and the netinst.iso, install debian WITH the packages "acpi-support", "acpid", and "acpi" |
| 23:17.37 | woshty | themill: how big is that time difference really? |
| 23:17.39 | jacksmithz | why is that? |
| 23:17.40 | abrotman | jacksmithz: so install those? |
| 23:17.54 | abrotman | woshty: do you know when wheezy is going to release? |
| 23:18.06 | deeplloyd | just downloaded and half way through install of bugzilla when i realized its in repos. smarter to uninstall the tar and install the from repos? or proceed? |
| 23:18.18 | themill | woshty: days to weeks depending on the bug and how entangled it is with other packages |
| 23:18.35 | woshty | abrotman: nope |
| 23:18.51 | mordocai | deeplloyd: For the most part, when in doubt use the repos. I only avoid the repos if I need a newer version than the repos have, for some reason. |
| 23:18.53 | abrotman | woshty: things are frozen, 2-10 days, if/when the dev uploads it, etc |
| 23:19.05 | jacksmithz | abrotman: i'am not interested in installing acpi, im interested in knowing why there is the difference in the ISOs |
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| 23:19.32 | abrotman | jacksmithz: i would tell you not to use the liveCD to install |
| 23:19.39 | deeplloyd | mordocai: too bad the checkinstall script given had me install (i believe) every perl mod that exists.... |
| 23:19.56 | woshty | themill: i did really pay attention, but the once i noticed seemed to be pretty close togehther squeeze security vs. wheezy |
| 23:19.57 | deeplloyd | and not debian packages either |
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| 23:20.01 | jacksmithz | abrotman: i am not ... |
| 23:20.08 | mordocai | deeplloyd: Heh, yeah. They'll do that. Always a good idea to re-use and all that. |
| 23:20.09 | woshty | i didnt pay attention i meant to say |
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| 23:20.55 | jacksmithz | i know, but im not using it for my installation, im asking a question about ITS installation (which does not mean that i use it) |
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| 23:21.12 | deeplloyd | mordocai: i honeslty dont have the confidence in myself to remove what iv installed and trust that i have a clean slate for a repo-install... |
| 23:21.16 | woshty | what other things are there to share contact information cross platform other than carddav? |
| 23:21.43 | James-C12 | Does anybody have any clue why after the install menu the screen goes black whether you select graphic or expert install? |
| 23:22.27 | mordocai | deeplloyd: Well, it won't be the end of the world. Just won't have automatic updates + any patches the debian maintainers made. |
| 23:22.55 | deeplloyd | mordocai: alright. good to hear. |
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| 23:48.11 | mordocai | jwash: I don't know of an automatic way (maybe others can help with that) but you can killall bash (or whatever shell you use) to get rid of all current sessions (including your own). You could probably write a login script to force this, though it might be a bad idea if you left something unsaved on one of your sessions. |
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| 23:51.17 | pigeons | what have i done? |
| 23:51.20 | pigeons | W: Failed to fetch http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/dists/unstable/main/binary-amd64/PackagesIndex: MD5Sum mismatch |
| 23:52.22 | abrotman | pigeons: try another mirror |
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| 23:53.44 | jwash | mordocai: good idea |
| 23:54.40 | mordocai | jwash: Just make sure if you do make a login script that you make it intelligent and delete all shells except the one you just logged into |
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| 23:55.46 | nkuttler | jwash: why don't you simply... logout when you leave a box if this bothers you? |
| 23:56.19 | jwash | because i often hit the x on my rdp client, or don't think about it |
| 23:56.21 | pigeons | abrotman: thanks. im trying another, the one i just picked gives me expired release file updates will not be applied message |
| 23:56.33 | askadm | Video chat 100% of married couples! trchatroulette c * o-m |
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| 23:56.56 | nkuttler | abrotman: ^^ |
| 23:57.19 | abrotman | hi |
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