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| 00:00.53 | askadm | Video chat 100% of married couples! trchatroulette c * o-m |
| 00:01.39 | askadm | Video chat 100% of married couples! trchatroulette c * o-m |
| 00:02.02 | nkuttler | !ops < askadm> Video chat 100% of married couples! trchatroulette c * o-m |
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| 00:02.14 | askadm | Video chat 100% of married couples! trchatroulette c * o-m |
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| 00:04.48 | abrotman | again? |
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| 00:08.40 | pigeons | thank you abrotman my aptitude etc is working for me again with a new mirror |
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| 00:09.32 | abrotman | pigeons: it's actually recommended you use 'http.debian.net' as your host .. it's a geo-location service to find close mirrors |
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| 00:15.47 | pigeons | thanks will do |
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| 00:41.09 | blast_hardcheese | I've successfully installed Steam as per instructions here: "http://steamcommunity.com/app/221410/discussions/0/882965118613928324/" (I modified them significantly, this script doesn't require root: http://blast.hardchee.se/~/files/2013-02-11/steam ). The only issue I'm having now is that steam is being marked for purge |
| 00:41.33 | blast_hardcheese | I'm not sure why this is, but every time I run "aptitude install" it says it wants to purge steam:i386. |
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| 00:42.22 | blast_hardcheese | I haven't had any luck searching through /etc/apt for anything that might cause this |
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| 00:44.15 | woshty | are there imap servers more light weight than dovecot? |
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| 00:48.42 | abrotman | woshty: not REALLY |
| 00:48.52 | abrotman | whoops |
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| 00:56.04 | maher | is there a handy command line tool that creates new maildir filenames? I have a bunch of emails in separate text file I want to dump into a maildir structure... |
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| 00:59.18 | [nazir] | maher: you mean something like http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=mb2md ? |
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| 01:01.48 | maher | [nazir]: thanks |
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| 01:03.45 | bvk_ | hi can reading a file from the end, in reverse direction, be considered as sequential io? |
| 01:04.01 | bvk_ | does it give squential io performance? |
| 01:05.01 | Pei | bvk_: why would you need to do that :) |
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| 01:05.53 | abrotman | bvk_: like the 'tac' command? |
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| 01:07.12 | bvk_ | abrotman: i didn't know tac command; let me read up the man page |
| 01:07.47 | zykotick9 | bvk_: to ruin the surprise, it's cat backwards ;) |
| 01:08.02 | bvk_ | Pei: i had a problem at work and one of the designs i proposed assumes append and read-reverse operations :D |
| 01:08.11 | bvk_ | zykotick9: lol |
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| 01:37.44 | TheWarden | Hi, I'm at a complete loss here. I've never had this happen to me, one of my Debian Squeeze systems all of a sudden the network quit working. I've spent something like 3 hours on this and I've gotten no where. |
| 01:38.14 | abrotman | TheWarden: are you sure it's physically still there? |
| 01:38.24 | TheWarden | I'm not sure what else to check. I checked the router, I checked the CAT cable is plugged in on both ends, I've replaced the CAT cable, I reset the router and DSL modem. |
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| 01:38.37 | TheWarden | I've added in an extract NIC into the system but still nothing. |
| 01:38.46 | abrotman | extract NIC? |
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| 01:38.56 | abrotman | TheWarden: check in dmesg |
| 01:38.57 | TheWarden | extra |
| 01:39.28 | TheWarden | abrotman: I've started to look but I'm not sure what to look for. |
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| 01:40.46 | TheWarden | I did a search in dmesg for eth0 and all I get is eth0 Lite-On PNIC-II rev 37 at port 0xb800 IRC 19 with MAC address. |
| 01:40.50 | abrotman | TheWarden: NICs being renamed or saying it's broken |
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| 01:41.10 | TheWarden | then I get udev[346]: renamed network interface eth1 to eth1-eth0 |
| 01:41.25 | TheWarden | udev[340]: renamed network interface eth10 to eth1 |
| 01:41.44 | TheWarden | udev[346]: renamed network interface eth1-eth0 to eth0 |
| 01:41.57 | TheWarden | eth0: no IPv6 routers preent |
| 01:42.26 | abrotman | you can use a pastebin |
| 01:43.13 | TheWarden | well I suppose but either way I would have to type it all out... I can't get network connectivity to it so I'm looking at the monitor and typing it out. |
| 01:43.13 | abrotman | TheWarden: pastebin /var/log/dmesg, /etc/network/interfaces, and /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules |
| 01:43.47 | TheWarden | abrotman: argh... I don't want to type that all out. ahh let me see I'll try copying this to a USB stick. |
| 01:43.53 | abrotman | type? |
| 01:43.56 | abrotman | oh .. duh |
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| 01:49.22 | TheWarden | abrotman: okay here is the three files, https://gist.github.com/thewarden/960ea4e516b74ed54dd6. |
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| 01:50.30 | abrotman | that didn't take so long |
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| 01:51.47 | scanwinder | Hi, I have a debian PXE setup here which I want to use on a read only filesystem. The trouble is, now that I have installed xorg, i'm getting an error "could not update ICEauthority file /var/lib/gdm3/.ICEauthority". I can think of a couple of ways around this such as mounting /var/lib/gdm3/ using tmpfs and copying the files into it on startup. Does anyone have a more elegant solution? |
| 01:52.22 | abrotman | TheWarden: the tulip/DEC card was the one you added? |
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| 01:53.07 | abrotman | TheWarden: so, the really obvious part is that you don't have an eth0 anymore so sayeth dmesg |
| 01:53.12 | abrotman | oh wait .. yes you |
| 01:53.14 | abrotman | do |
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| 01:53.59 | abrotman | TheWarden: which card is your real card? the tulip (which i haven't seen successfully work since like etch), or the forcedeth? |
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| 01:56.26 | abrotman | oh, that's fun |
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| 02:04.16 | TheWarden | sorry I got disconnected |
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| 02:05.24 | TheWarden | mmm strange I don't see the convo in the chat logs |
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| 02:07.41 | TheWarden | anyways I'm not sure what I should do next for my network problem. It just out of no where stopped working. I didn't change anything. I've done so much now, set a static IP, reset the router, reboot it, replaced CAT cable, installed a new NIC |
| 02:07.44 | TheWarden | nothing seems to work. |
| 02:08.03 | abrotman | TheWarden: so ... |
| 02:08.10 | abrotman | TheWarden: which card is your real card? the tulip (which i haven't seen successfully work since like etch), or the forcedeth? |
| 02:08.18 | abrotman | TheWarden: which card is your real card? the tulip (which i haven't seen successfully work since like etch), or the forcedeth? |
| 02:08.22 | abrotman | oh whoops |
| 02:08.44 | TheWarden | abrotman: eth0, the eth1 is the second NIC I installed but would prefer to use eth0. |
| 02:08.53 | dvs | is seeing double |
| 02:08.55 | abrotman | eth0 and eth1 don't mean anything here |
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| 02:09.11 | abrotman | TheWarden: which chipset is the one that's supposed to be eth0 ? |
| 02:09.39 | abrotman | makes confusing statements |
| 02:09.40 | TheWarden | abrotman: ahh okay, well geez to be honest I'm not sure its built on board. mmm I would have to figure out how to track that down. |
| 02:10.05 | abrotman | TheWarden: shut it down, take out hte secondary card .. hold it in your hand, look at the chips :) |
| 02:10.40 | TheWarden | abrotman: so you are suggesting to use the NIC I installed and not the one onboard? |
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| 02:11.13 | abrotman | i'm trying to find out which is supposed to be in use, which has cable plugged in |
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| 02:11.26 | abrotman | TheWarden: do you have ethtool installed on the box? |
| 02:12.03 | TheWarden | unless it comes with no |
| 02:12.19 | abrotman | check |
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| 02:13.07 | TheWarden | mmm the NIC I installed ahh Asante Delta LF8221M 9942... mmm maybe something I shouldn't be having around still lol. seems odd. |
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| 02:15.58 | abrotman | TheWarden: you can also move that 70-persistent-network file aside (back it up) and see what happens |
| 02:16.15 | TheWarden | I'm checking the manual to find out the chipset it's an old Asus K8N motherboard. |
| 02:16.52 | dvs | wonders why lspci -nn | grep -i eth isn't in order |
| 02:17.20 | abrotman | dvs: lspci -k ? |
| 02:17.32 | abrotman | that doesn't really tell you which one you want to be eth0 ? |
| 02:17.41 | blast_hardcheese | What could cause aptitude to attempt to purge packages I've installed via dpkg? |
| 02:17.54 | TheWarden | I removed the NIC and just using the onboard NIC. checking for ethtool |
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| 02:18.44 | HardDisk_WP | hey all |
| 02:18.53 | HardDisk_WP | i try to mount a remote FTP with curlftpfs |
| 02:18.54 | TheWarden | no, I don't have ethtool |
| 02:18.59 | HardDisk_WP | can browse the directory list just fine |
| 02:19.03 | abrotman | TheWarden: as root? |
| 02:19.10 | TheWarden | abrotman: yes |
| 02:19.17 | HardDisk_WP | but any read-operation gives me a Access Denied error |
| 02:19.28 | abrotman | TheWarden: okay, so if you "dmesg | grep eth" .. what appears now? |
| 02:19.31 | blast_hardcheese | TheWarden: Check /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules to see what dmesg is trying to make the world like. Combine that with ifconfig -a to see what the world actually is like |
| 02:19.46 | blast_hardcheese | also do what abrotman is suggesting, look for possibly missing firmware |
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| 02:23.31 | TheWarden | abrotman: forcedeth 9999:00:05:.0: ifname eth0, PHY OUI 0x90c3 @ 1, addr 00:11:d8:54:84:58 |
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| 02:23.51 | TheWarden | abrotman: in the motherboard manual it states LAN: IC Plus IP101 10/100 LAN PHY |
| 02:25.04 | abrotman | TheWarden: that's the total from dmesg | grep eth ? |
| 02:25.22 | TheWarden | blast_hardcheese: I looked at both files the only thing I could reconigze was the MAC address of the NIC within 70-persistent-net.rules. |
| 02:25.32 | TheWarden | abrotman: oh ops I did grep eth0. Let me try eth |
| 02:26.23 | TheWarden | abrotman: forcedeth: Reverse Engineered nForce ethernet driver, version 0.64 |
| 02:27.00 | abrotman | TheWarden: but no renaming ? |
| 02:27.15 | TheWarden | abrotman: frocedeth: 0000:00:05.0: PIC INT A -> Link[LKLN] -> GSI 22 (level, low) -> IRQ 22 |
| 02:27.28 | TheWarden | abrotman: frocedeth: 0000:00:05.0: setting latency timer to 64 |
| 02:28.02 | TheWarden | abrotman: frocedeth: 0000:00:05.0: ifname eth0, PHU OUT 0x90c3 @ 1, addr: 00:11:d8:54:84:58 |
| 02:28.14 | TheWarden | abrotman: frocedeth: 0000:00:05.0: csum timirq lnktim desc-v2 |
| 02:28.31 | TheWarden | abrotman: no there is no renaming mentioned. That is everything when searching for "eth". |
| 02:28.35 | abrotman | TheWarden: ifconfig eth0 .. does it have an IP ? |
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| 02:28.42 | abrotman | (shuld it's a static config) |
| 02:29.51 | TheWarden | abrotman: I do ifconfig eth0 and I do have an IP address as its set statically. |
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| 02:30.04 | abrotman | do you have mii-tool installed either? |
| 02:30.07 | TheWarden | man what the heck can be wrong with this.. |
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| 02:30.17 | abrotman | you've verified the link lights are fine? |
| 02:30.38 | TheWarden | it appears I have mii-tool installed |
| 02:31.08 | abrotman | mii-tool -v eth0 |
| 02:31.29 | TheWarden | abrotman: an amber colored link is blinking on either end. |
| 02:32.14 | TheWarden | abrotman: I did that command it returns, SIOCGMIIPHY on 'eth0' failed: Operation not supported |
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| 02:32.54 | TheWarden | something is really strange going on. |
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| 02:33.16 | abrotman | you could put the tulip back in and try that .. not sure it would work |
| 02:33.27 | abrotman | just make sure you configure eth1 |
| 02:34.04 | TheWarden | abrotman: put the tulip back in?? |
| 02:34.23 | abrotman | TheWarden: you've already inspected your route and ip settings, right ? |
| 02:34.32 | TheWarden | abrotman: I removed eth1, I just have eth0. You have the /etc/network/interfaces there, with it setup. |
| 02:34.38 | abrotman | right |
| 02:34.58 | TheWarden | abrotman: yeah I looked at that, heck I'm using a computer going through that router right now. This is the only system that will not work network wise. |
| 02:35.17 | abrotman | TheWarden: wait, it's a router/firewall? |
| 02:35.47 | TheWarden | abrotman: I dunno, I could just remove the /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent.net.rules |
| 02:36.17 | abrotman | you could, won't do much with only one NIC |
| 02:36.26 | abrotman | and the NIC it believes should be eth0 |
| 02:36.53 | TheWarden | abrotman: yes its a router/firewall, Netgear WNDR3700 v1 |
| 02:37.17 | abrotman | oh, the Debian box is not the firewall |
| 02:37.23 | TheWarden | abrotman: well then maybe I should put the other NIC back in and remove that 70-persistent.net.rules |
| 02:37.34 | abrotman | TheWarden: try it |
| 02:37.42 | TheWarden | abrotman: that's right, the Netgear is the firewall/router. |
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| 02:37.55 | TheWarden | ok |
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| 02:41.36 | abrotman | seriously hasn't had a tulip card work in a very long time, though, that was an Alpha kernel |
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| 02:41.58 | TheWarden | abrotman: what do you mean tulip card? |
| 02:42.02 | alexfu | hey folks any idea how i can use wget on page that asks for code token? |
| 02:42.34 | dvs | is pretty sure he can find a tulip card, with a DEC chip on it! |
| 02:42.45 | alexfu | like http://www.magentech.com/index.php?download_id=4ewrwr&func=downloadRequest&option=com_virtuemart&page=shop.downloads |
| 02:42.51 | dgriffi | has a few tulip cards to give away for cost of shipping |
| 02:43.01 | alexfu | i got token however not sure how to use it with wget |
| 02:43.05 | mroe | Is it possible the squeeze installer has trouble installing grub successfully on either a non-sda drive and/or an ssd? |
| 02:43.34 | abrotman | dgriffi: i threw them in an e-cycle pile around 2007 IIRC |
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| 02:43.59 | TheWarden | what the heck, now I'm getting the system had a kernel failure. |
| 02:44.11 | abrotman | hey, that's fun |
| 02:44.30 | zerick | Hi guys |
| 02:44.34 | alexfu | abrotman any idea? |
| 02:44.35 | alexfu | :) |
| 02:44.46 | zerick | Anybody familiar with "min_free_kbytes" kernel parameter on Debian? |
| 02:44.59 | mroe | I just tried to install squeeze on an ssd located at /dev/sdc and it failed, I had to boot to shell and configure grub manually |
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| 02:45.17 | TheWarden | oh yeah great fun |
| 02:45.46 | abrotman | alexfu: neither am i |
| 02:46.02 | abrotman | TheWarden: repeatable? |
| 02:46.04 | alexfu | ok |
| 02:46.05 | alexfu | :) |
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| 02:47.05 | TheWarden | if I don't get this working with this NIC I think I'm gonna call it a night, this is beyond frustrating. it work perfectly fine then just stopped and I don't get what the heck a tulip card is. |
| 02:47.49 | abrotman | TheWarden: a tulip is a DEC (DEC has been dead for about 20 years) based chipset for NICs that probably haven't been made since 2000 or so (as far as I know) |
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| 02:48.04 | abrotman | well, DEC didn't die .. Compaq swallowed them |
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| 02:48.48 | dvs | Who's Compaq? ;=P |
| 02:49.04 | mroe | then HP swallowed Compaq |
| 02:49.10 | TheWarden | well that didn't do jack.. I dunno. If I didn't need crap on this system I wouldn't be in such a panic. argh. |
| 02:49.16 | mroe | it's like like the old woman who swallowed the fly |
| 02:49.44 | abrotman | TheWarden: that's the only spare NIC you have? |
| 02:49.53 | cjfs | mroe, makes perfect sense given what flies eat |
| 02:49.57 | abrotman | two zuzim |
| 02:49.58 | TheWarden | abrotman: thanks for all the help, I have no idea why this is not working. I think I'm going to call it a night. too frustrated... I'll have to go back to manually writting invoices argh and running on Windows to web dev work. oh man that is painful. |
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| 02:50.07 | TheWarden | abrotman: yeah I couldn't find anything else. |
| 02:50.24 | reavengrey | Yay, my laptop is now fully working in debian |
| 02:50.27 | abrotman | TheWarden: i'd see what you can find tomorrow .. windows fares better with the tulip cards than Debian does |
| 02:50.28 | TheWarden | I'll look some more tomorrow. Thanks again abrotman |
| 02:50.29 | reavengrey | I have sound and wifi working <3 |
| 02:50.34 | reavengrey | gg :> |
| 02:50.52 | reavengrey | Also, thanks to this channel for helping me along yesterday <3 |
| 02:50.59 | TheWarden | abrotman: argh I don't care, sick of Windows. anyways have a good one. |
| 02:51.02 | reavengrey | Peace~~, afk again :) |
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| 02:51.53 | dvs | wifi? That's a lot! |
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| 03:09.52 | dD_ | Many times my computer won't turn on unless I remove the batter, press the power for twenty seconds, restore the battery and turn it back on. I was told that maybe it's not fully shutting down. How can I fix this? |
| 03:10.52 | nevyn | thinks dec isn't really dead. |
| 03:11.28 | abrotman | nevyn: Neither is Elvis |
| 03:12.10 | pav5088 | dD_ : have you tried a restart instead? |
| 03:12.50 | pav5088 | ...this may prevent you from having to remove batteries etc... at least. |
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| 03:14.07 | dn4 | is there a distro of debian designed for macbook pros |
| 03:14.15 | pav5088 | Hi all: I'm being stopped by a Debian packaging bug which I reported four months ago (isc-dhcp-server-ldap). I wouldn't bother anyone with it, but it is stopping me from testing and providing feedback to developers of some other software. |
| 03:14.35 | pav5088 | The bug report is here : http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=692808 |
| 03:14.58 | pav5088 | A patch has been provided, but it is for an Ubuntu package, and unfortunately it's not compatible. I really don't know my makefiles so I can't adapt it, but the provider of the patch doesn't seem confident it's completely correct anyway. |
| 03:15.57 | pav5088 | My work is to make sure some interesting software is compatible with Wheezy - it's a GUI that controls deployment and configuration of a server infrastructure via LDAP - fusiondirectory (a fork of GOsa... the software the council in Munich is using for its infrastructure) |
| 03:16.22 | pav5088 | ...hmmm... it controls client machines too I should add. |
| 03:16.28 | abrotman | holy crap |
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| 03:17.09 | HardDisk_WP | hehe lol, I worked at the LiMux project |
| 03:17.19 | HardDisk_WP | GOsa is a fucking slow piece of bullshit |
| 03:18.24 | pav5088 | HardDisk_WP, well... some pissed off guys forked it. :) I don't know if it's worthwhile, but *shrugs* time will tell. |
| 03:18.26 | HardDisk_WP | tbh the new version they're deploying is faster |
| 03:18.42 | HardDisk_WP | but for what it's worth, it's still fucking LDAP and as such bound to be slow |
| 03:18.52 | HardDisk_WP | nothing faster than a beefy MySQL machine :) |
| 03:19.08 | abrotman | anyway ... |
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| 03:19.57 | HardDisk_WP | pav5088, doesn't surprise me that someone forked it (whoever did it deserves a balls of steel award), but IMO time is better spent on a full rewrite |
| 03:20.57 | pav5088 | HardDisk_WP, which part in particular was most slow/annoying? I'm quite curious... I've only ever used it for small sites. |
| 03:21.06 | HardDisk_WP | it's fine for small sites |
| 03:21.16 | HardDisk_WP | and especially, small package repos |
| 03:22.19 | HardDisk_WP | but with >5K packages and/or >5 releases, go grab a gun... seriously. Unless you've got a *decent* LDAP server, everything related to software config/distribution WILL be damn slow |
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| 03:22.35 | HardDisk_WP | disclaimer, all of the above is valid only for gosa 2.x branch |
| 03:22.37 | pav5088 | The building of a huge Debian mirror + extras was annoying. Sooo, you're talking about the deployment of client machines via LDAP? |
| 03:22.44 | HardDisk_WP | deö. |
| 03:22.53 | HardDisk_WP | deployment and configuration, yes |
| 03:23.10 | HardDisk_WP | you didn't import a FULL MIRROR into GOsa?! |
| 03:23.10 | pav5088 | I think they're rewriting that bit... it's called Argonaut I THINK.... |
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| 03:23.18 | pav5088 | ...moving a few bits out of LDAP. |
| 03:23.27 | HardDisk_WP | haha about time, I say |
| 03:23.37 | HardDisk_WP | GOsa just stores EVERYTHING in the LDAP tree. |
| 03:23.41 | HardDisk_WP | Including binary objects |
| 03:23.54 | abrotman | pav5088: how do you know the patch is incompatible ? |
| 03:23.55 | pav5088 | ack! |
| 03:23.58 | HardDisk_WP | I still shiver at the sheer size of a LDAP dump, and that one for 100 clients only |
| 03:24.05 | HardDisk_WP | 2 fucking gigabytes |
| 03:24.09 | HardDisk_WP | redundancy everywhere |
| 03:24.14 | pav5088 | abrotman, I tried to apply it... then went through it by hand. |
| 03:24.37 | pav5088 | I'm no developer and it's way too many years since I've even looked at a makefile. |
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| 03:25.27 | abrotman | pav5088: looks like the patch sohuld apply to the unstable packages |
| 03:25.27 | pav5088 | HardDisk_WP, ouchies... |
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| 03:25.56 | HardDisk_WP | pav5088, to be honest this dump included all package metadata from the beginning of the Limux project until 2012 |
| 03:26.44 | HardDisk_WP | but the biggest problem is/was that GOsa doesn't have a real "cache" (well it does, object serialization) but the LDAP queries are not cached |
| 03:26.56 | mroe | can anyone help me track down my issue: http://pastebin.com/C4Gzd7gf |
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| 03:27.34 | HardDisk_WP | mroe, interesting... what debian version is this? |
| 03:27.41 | mroe | HardDisk_WP: wheezy |
| 03:27.47 | HardDisk_WP | and is there any modification to sources.lists? |
| 03:27.57 | pav5088 | HardDisk_WP, I think the lead developer isn't even working on GOsa full time anymore... at least the last time I heard. |
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| 03:28.22 | pav5088 | Cajus |
| 03:28.28 | mroe | HardDisk_WP: I added debian-multimedia |
| 03:28.34 | HardDisk_WP | my last info is that the Limux-related work has been shifted to Credativ |
| 03:29.14 | HardDisk_WP | actually for the pure lulz of it I began writing my own, mysql based, system management software |
| 03:29.36 | HardDisk_WP | the PoC I have here can network-install debian sid (yes, I'm crazy), win7 and mac os |
| 03:29.52 | HardDisk_WP | hell, I need to actually make the code work with the DB :D |
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| 03:30.53 | abrotman | !ot |
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| 03:31.06 | abrotman | bot? |
| 03:31.38 | HardDisk_WP | mroe, that shouldn't be any issue...file a bug, /methinks |
| 03:31.42 | abrotman | mroe: that package isn't in Debian .. have oyu asked them why their stuff is broken ? |
| 03:31.47 | HardDisk_WP | abrotman, yeah I got the hint |
| 03:31.47 | abrotman | HardDisk_WP: it's not even a Debian package |
| 03:31.49 | HardDisk_WP | ^^ |
| 03:32.00 | HardDisk_WP | abrotman, well ok that does change things ;) |
| 03:32.14 | mroe | it's only technically not a debian package |
| 03:32.22 | HardDisk_WP | ubuntu? |
| 03:32.23 | abrotman | no, it's not a Debian package |
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| 03:32.33 | abrotman | nothing technical about it .. |
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| 03:32.52 | abrotman | if it had been a Debian package, that bug would have been caught when it was uploaded to unstable |
| 03:33.04 | mroe | HardDisk_WP: no, debian-multimedia special repo |
| 03:33.04 | pav5088 | HardDisk_WP, I made a simple open source imaging solution years and years ago for machines that didn't have PXE bootroms. It was commandline though, so everyone else was scared of it. :-/ which is why I tracked down GOsa and now FusionDirectory. |
| 03:33.15 | abrotman | pav5088: we have #debian-offtopic |
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| 03:33.38 | abrotman | mroe: look at /var/lib/dpkg/info/mythweb.postinst .. find the script error |
| 03:33.43 | HardDisk_WP | pav5088, ah ok... well i'm heading off to bed |
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| 03:33.47 | HardDisk_WP | good night all |
| 03:34.14 | pav5088 | Later HardDisk_WP |
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| 03:36.37 | mroe | this seems lke the only place sed is called: http://pastebin.com/Av7XvZ5H |
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| 03:41.44 | abrotman | mroe: seems okay with a quick look .. have you tried to run that command at the CLI ? |
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| 03:48.13 | mroe | abrotman: my best guess is that those vars aren't properly defined |
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| 03:49.43 | mroe | ha! I think I figured it out |
| 03:49.56 | abrotman | mroe: tell the mythweb author |
| 03:50.13 | mroe | is it possible that a '/' in the $mythtv_password would cause it to fail? |
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| 03:50.41 | abrotman | perhaps .. easy to test |
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| 04:39.08 | junix659 | hi, why is vim no longer a standard package? |
| 04:39.30 | reavengrey | learned a lot from getting his sound card to work |
| 04:39.39 | zykotick9 | junix659: i believe vim-tiny still is... |
| 04:39.40 | reavengrey | I guess I should look into learning more about Linux |
| 04:40.01 | reavengrey | Need to learn more about X11, etc |
| 04:40.11 | zykotick9 | junix659: you need vi to be POSIX compliant |
| 04:40.16 | junix659 | zykotick9, is there any reason it was taken out, was there a license change? |
| 04:40.25 | junix659 | debian is taking a direction? |
| 04:40.29 | zykotick9 | junix659: taken out from what? |
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| 04:40.36 | reavengrey | zykotick9: As in, you need the program vi to be POSIX compliant? |
| 04:40.44 | reavengrey | An OS needs to have vi ported? |
| 04:40.50 | zykotick9 | reavengrey: yes. |
| 04:40.56 | reavengrey | Oh, ok ty then |
| 04:41.51 | notjimcarrey | didn't take into account how dusty AFG is |
| 04:42.12 | notjimcarrey | can of air and a duct tape laptop stand seems to have fixed the thermal issues |
| 04:42.19 | notjimcarrey | lol |
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| 04:49.26 | visof | when i extract file foo.tar.gz , i'm using tar zxvf foo.tar.gz, but how can i extract foo.tar.gz and in the same time rename extracted file called another name like bar ? |
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| 05:26.53 | FluxD | Hi, where are ssh logins logged to on squeeze? |
| 05:28.07 | KsM | FluxD: grep ssh /var/log/auth.log |
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| 05:33.02 | FluxD | KsM, it is showing up as empty any idea? |
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| 05:40.18 | KsM | FluxD: well that's the only place I've known ssh to log logins to, maybe you don't have syslog running or no one has sshed in yet? |
| 05:40.21 | KsM | I could be wrong |
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| 06:39.56 | halfie | Debian Wheezy testing CDs are working fine on PowerPC machines except for a harlmess warnin regarding bootloader installtion. There is already a bug fixed for this. |
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| 08:20.01 | _jacks | hi, how can i install glib 2.16 on squeeze? |
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| 08:22.51 | _jacks | i assume i can run libc6 and gcc 4.4, which i also assume is glib 2.16 |
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| 08:24.50 | ChrisH | ,v libglib2.0-dev amd64 |
| 08:24.51 | judd | Package: libglib2.0-dev on amd64 -- lenny-security: 2.16.6-1+lenny1; lenny: 2.16.6-3; lenny-backports: 2.24.2-1~bpo50+1; squeeze: 2.24.2-1; wheezy: 2.33.12+really2.32.4-3; sid: 2.33.12+really2.32.4-5; experimental: 2.34.3-1 |
| 08:25.03 | ChrisH | these are the ones in the repos |
| 08:25.36 | _jacks | oh ok so just a straight up apt-get should be fine |
| 08:26.17 | ChrisH | _jacks: squeeze has 2.24.2-1 not 2.16 do you need 2.16 or 2.16 or newer? |
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| 08:27.24 | _jacks | well im building mpd 0.17.3 which when checking for GLib says error: GLib 2.16 is required |
| 08:27.33 | _jacks | i assumed >2.16 would be fine but obviously not |
| 08:27.51 | _jacks | i dont know what to do now, can i downgrade without breaking things? |
| 08:28.11 | ChrisH | _jacks: why not using mpd from repo? |
| 08:28.22 | _jacks | it has some refesh functionality lacking |
| 08:28.32 | _jacks | refresh rather |
| 08:29.28 | _jacks | also steam apparently requires GLib 2.16 |
| 08:29.45 | _jacks | so i figured i'd figure out how to do the upgrade/downgrade if possible |
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| 08:30.03 | _jacks | but im stuck and i don't really want to break anything further |
| 08:30.12 | Alcaudon | install it from sources then |
| 08:30.26 | _jacks | install what from sources glib? |
| 08:30.29 | Alcaudon | yes |
| 08:30.44 | Alcaudon | http://ftp.gtk.org/pub/glib/2.16/ |
| 08:30.54 | _jacks | is that pretty straight forward, ./configure && make && make install ? |
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| 08:31.09 | Alcaudon | it is |
| 08:31.19 | _jacks | alright ill give that a try :) thanks |
| 08:31.24 | Alcaudon | then, when compiling mpd |
| 08:31.41 | Alcaudon | just add to the PKG_CONFIG_PATH |
| 08:31.53 | _jacks | alright yep |
| 08:32.01 | Alcaudon | good luck |
| 08:32.11 | _jacks | cheers |
| 08:32.17 | odin_ | I have a debian bug on screen in browser, how do I comment on it ? |
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| 08:32.57 | Alcaudon | _jacks |
| 08:33.08 | _jacks | yes? |
| 08:33.19 | Alcaudon | in order not to break anything use the --prefix option in the configure and install it in a customized path |
| 08:33.29 | _jacks | ahh, alright |
| 08:33.56 | _jacks | do you happen to know the default path? is it /var/lib ? |
| 08:34.06 | Alcaudon | /usr/lib I guess |
| 08:34.12 | _jacks | oh right okay |
| 08:34.24 | Alcaudon | ot /usr/lib64 |
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| 08:35.35 | odin_ | how do I not use email to comment on a bug ? |
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| 08:36.18 | bai | I'm trying to automate a network install of debian using a preseed file, I can specify d-i configs but is there some secret key combination I can press in the installer to figure out which questions map to which d-i settings? |
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| 08:38.01 | odin_ | is the debian bug tracking system just an email system ? |
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| 08:44.23 | dgriffi | odin_: it sort of seems that way |
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| 08:47.29 | babilen | odin_: No, something also receives those mail and works with the information therein. The interface is, however, mail based. |
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| 08:51.33 | zetheroo | is there a qemu version for debian between 1.1.2 and 1.3.0 ? |
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| 08:56.19 | nkuttler | ,v qemu |
| 08:56.20 | judd | Package: qemu on i386 -- lenny: 0.9.1-10lenny1; lenny-security: 0.9.1-10lenny1; squeeze: 0.12.5+dfsg-3squeeze2; squeeze-proposed-updates: 0.12.5+dfsg-3squeeze3; squeeze-security: 0.12.5+dfsg-3squeeze3; squeeze-backports: 1.0+dfsg-3~bpo60+1+b1; squeeze-backports: 1.1.2+dfsg-2~bpo60+1; sid: 1.1.2+dfsg-5; wheezy: 1.1.2+dfsg-5; experimental: 1.4.0~rc0+dfsg-1exp |
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| 08:57.19 | nkuttler | zetheroo: apparently |
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| 08:59.05 | zetheroo | nkuttler: is there one there? ... I cannot see it .. :P |
| 08:59.13 | zetheroo | ,v libvirt |
| 08:59.14 | judd | No package named 'libvirt' was found in i386. |
| 08:59.31 | zetheroo | ,v virt |
| 08:59.33 | judd | No package named 'virt' was found in i386. |
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| 09:00.44 | nkuttler | ,v libvirt0 |
| 09:00.46 | judd | Package: libvirt0 on i386 -- lenny: 0.4.6-10+lenny2; lenny-security: 0.4.6-10+lenny2; lenny-backports: 0.8.3-5+squeeze2~bpo50+2; squeeze: 0.8.3-5+squeeze2; squeeze-security: 0.8.3-5+squeeze2; squeeze-backports: 0.9.12-3~bpo60+1; squeeze-backports: 0.9.12-6~bpo60+1; sid: 0.9.12-6; wheezy: 0.9.12-6; experimental: 1.0.2-2 |
| 09:00.53 | babilen | zetheroo: It depends on what exactly you mean by "between" (inclusive or exclusive) -- But have a look yourself, that is all the information there is. And judd accepts the actual package names. You can search with, for example, "apt-cache search FOO" or "aptitude search FOO" -- See "/msg dpkg search" for further details. |
| 09:00.54 | zetheroo | thanks |
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| 09:02.58 | zetheroo | well for qemu I can see there are a few revisions of 1.1.2 and then it jumps to 1.4.0 ... so the whole 1.2.x versions of Qemu are not available |
| 09:03.03 | zetheroo | am I reading that right? |
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| 09:03.35 | nkuttler | zetheroo: looks like it |
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| 09:03.57 | shpank | any kernel developers here? i've got a question about procfs |
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| 09:07.49 | jeredepp | hello everyone, i just had a full root partition and freed some space with apt-get clean, but in the process i also tried to delete a blown up logfile of 3gb which didn't free me any space so far. any ideas? |
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| 09:14.19 | MrHatter | I have a problem with a new disk, parted is saying this : Warning: /dev/sdb contains GPT signatures, indicating that it has a GPT table. However, it does not have a valid fake msdos |
| 09:14.19 | MrHatter | partition table, as it should. Perhaps it was corrupted -- possibly by a program that doesn't understand GPT partition |
| 09:14.19 | MrHatter | tables. |
| 09:14.30 | MrHatter | how do i fix this ? |
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| 09:15.58 | babilen | shpank: Try #kernel (surprise!) :) |
| 09:16.54 | babilen | jeredepp: Some process is still using that log file. Restart the corresponding process and the space should be freed. |
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| 09:18.09 | shpank | babilen: thanks! |
| 09:18.15 | jeredepp | babilen: i restarted the daemon with /etc/init.d/application restart, and it's still used up |
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| 09:18.47 | babilen | jeredepp: Hmm, something else might ahve an open file descriptor -- I'll be back later. Good luck so far |
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| 09:35.33 | bai | is there an easy way to find all possible debian-installer settings for a package? |
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| 09:42.01 | nop_ | Hello, I installing debian 6 64bit and get error "no disk drive was detected". HDD: seagate 1TB. If I not boot CD - hdd working old OS is running |
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| 09:44.28 | squidly_ | hi ! |
| 09:44.34 | squidly_ | i have got a question. Can someone explain to me how come when upgrading one of my package some debconf question marked high are not asked while other are ? |
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| 10:04.53 | Iridos | for example? |
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| 10:08.40 | mwargh | debian 6. i want to set minimum password length policy in debian so i add password [success=1 default=ignore] pam_unix.so min=12 sha512 to /etc/pam.d/common-password, but system doesn't respect this and accepts passwords with 8 chars |
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| 10:08.44 | mwargh | why? |
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| 10:11.23 | chrisbuchholz | Anyone running seafile on a debian server? Whats your experience with it? |
| 10:11.34 | harmaahylje | mwargh: actually I don't know, but is there an error message |
| 10:11.43 | Iridos | linuxgecko, info coreutils 'tee invocation' <-- there's an example on how to compute a sha1sum on-the fly using tee while also continuing the pipe (although that just writes to a file) |
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| 10:13.24 | mwargh | harmaahylje: no |
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| 10:14.22 | harmaahylje | so how is it supposed to work? |
| 10:14.27 | harmaahylje | without error message |
| 10:15.13 | mwargh | harmaahylje: simple |
| 10:15.20 | mwargh | log in as non-root user |
| 10:15.23 | mwargh | type passwd |
| 10:15.28 | mwargh | type your old password |
| 10:15.32 | mwargh | type your new password |
| 10:15.43 | mwargh | if you new password is > 12 chars it's accepted |
| 10:15.53 | harmaahylje | and if not, it says nothing and continues? |
| 10:16.06 | mwargh | well here is some strange shit |
| 10:16.16 | mwargh | by default it accepts passwords > 6 chras |
| 10:16.47 | mwargh | if i add min=12 min=13 whatever option it starts to accept only passwords >=8 chars |
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| 10:17.04 | mwargh | oh, >= 6 chars by default |
| 10:17.10 | mwargh | i wont to smash my keyboard |
| 10:17.14 | mwargh | *want |
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| 10:17.58 | Iridos | mwargh, the option is "minlen", not "min" |
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| 10:18.12 | mwargh | oh no it's min |
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| 10:18.29 | Iridos | not according to man pam_unix |
| 10:18.41 | mwargh | no |
| 10:18.42 | mwargh | http://manpages.debian.net/cgi-bin/man.cgi?query=pam_unix |
| 10:18.46 | mwargh | i read mans as well |
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| 10:19.26 | Iridos | what does the one on your system say? |
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| 10:19.36 | nkuttler | mwargh: you should read the manpages packaged by your release |
| 10:19.37 | themill | mwargh: the example at the end says "minlen" not "min" btw. |
| 10:19.43 | mwargh | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:19.43 | mwargh | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:19.44 | mwargh | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:19.46 | Iridos | hm, admittedly, this is wheezy |
| 10:19.58 | mwargh | nkuttler: i did, it's the same |
| 10:20.08 | mwargh | themill: sorry, i typoed |
| 10:20.43 | nkuttler | mwargh: btw, the squeeze wheezy seems to contradict itself and uses minlen in the examples section |
| 10:20.53 | Iridos | seems they changed syntax... perhaps changed syntax in pam.unix.so first, but forgot to fully update manpage? |
| 10:20.59 | mwargh | it doesnt |
| 10:21.00 | mwargh | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:21.03 | mwargh | it's for pam_cracklib |
| 10:21.07 | mwargh | i use just pam_unix |
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| 10:21.32 | nkuttler | s/wheezy/manpage/ |
| 10:21.45 | mwargh | i presume it has friggin default somewhere else |
| 10:22.18 | Iridos | s/fully// |
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| 10:23.18 | mwargh | eh |
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| 10:25.00 | mwargh | "minlen" is actually the minimum required length for a password consisting of all lower-case letters. But users get "length credits" for using upper- and lower-case letters, numbers, and non-alphanumeric characters. The default is normally that you can only get a maximum of "1 credit" for each type of character. So if the administrator sets "minlen=12", a user could still have an 8 character password if they used all four types of characters. Actually, sinc |
| 10:25.07 | mwargh | i can be onto something here |
| 10:25.10 | mwargh | stupid shit |
| 10:25.15 | mwargh | kick one of my boxes |
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| 10:30.59 | mwargh | http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1343977 |
| 10:31.02 | mwargh | very stupid shit |
| 10:31.08 | mwargh | kicks another poor box |
| 10:31.10 | mwargh | hehe |
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| 10:55.48 | yossarianuk | hi - I am going to sync the debian squeeze repo (for spacewalk) - is there anyway I can find out how big the repo is ? |
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| 10:56.02 | yossarianuk | i.e x86_64 - main, free, non-free |
| 10:56.15 | yossarianuk | is this displayed anywhere on the debian site ? |
| 10:56.23 | LinaSovereign | Hey ! |
| 10:56.23 | hatake | hy how to use reiser4 ? |
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| 10:58.34 | jelly | hatake: you'd have to use a patched kernel that actually supports it (http://sourceforge.net/projects/reiser4/files/reiser4-for-linux-3.x/), and install the reiser4progs. |
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| 10:59.02 | yossarianuk | murderfs.... |
| 10:59.09 | jelly | don't get there. |
| 10:59.35 | hatake | jelly, Linux debian 2.6.32-5-686 #1 SMP Sun May 6 04:01:19 UTC 2012 i686 GNU/Linux |
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| 11:00.42 | jelly | hatake: Debian's kernel does not support it. If you're not comfortable with patching and building own kernels, avoid using out-of-tree functionality. |
| 11:00.49 | hatake | how to patch on my linux debian 2.6.32-5-686 #1 SMP Sun May 6 04:01:19 UTC 2012 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 11:00.54 | hatake | jelly, :D |
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| 11:02.04 | yossarianuk | hatake: easiest way is to get the source from kernel.org and compile. |
| 11:02.38 | yossarianuk | or use another distro that supports it out the box.... |
| 11:02.44 | yossarianuk | ext4 is good though. |
| 11:03.07 | yossarianuk | if speed is an issue mount ext4 with noatime.. |
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| 11:03.57 | hatake | yossarianuk, before my filesystem is ext4, I made a proxy to cache directory, and I will try reiser4 |
| 11:04.03 | yossarianuk | <PROTECTED> |
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| 11:04.46 | yossarianuk | trying adding 'noatime' to fstab to see speed improvements with ext4.. |
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| 11:05.10 | yossarianuk | ext4 is recommend |
| 11:05.13 | hatake | yossarianuk, how to compile kernel 3.7.7 on my debian ? |
| 11:05.14 | jelly | yossarianuk: /msg dpkg mirror size |
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| 11:05.59 | hatake | what the best for caching content dynamic, reiserfs,btrfs,ext4,and reiser4 yossarianuk |
| 11:06.10 | yossarianuk | hatake: if you are unsure you either need to research (its a fairly lengthy topic) or find another way. |
| 11:06.16 | yossarianuk | essentially though |
| 11:06.24 | jelly | hatake: the one your admins can manage and fix the fastest |
| 11:06.54 | yossarianuk | the process for making a kernel on a deb system is outlined here |
| 11:06.55 | yossarianuk | http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=311158 |
| 11:07.09 | yossarianuk | - note its for ubuntu however the basics are the same. |
| 11:07.42 | yossarianuk | its fairly complex if you are not sure. |
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| 11:29.40 | buscon | hi, i'm installing a git server |
| 11:29.47 | buscon | following this tutorial |
| 11:29.48 | buscon | http://blog.muehlbachler.org/2012/01/how-to-install-a-private-debian-git-server-using-gitolite-and-gitlabhq/ |
| 11:30.00 | buscon | everything's fine |
| 11:30.11 | buscon | but when I try to connect to my own repository |
| 11:30.23 | buscon | git clone git@localhost:gitolite-admin.git |
| 11:30.36 | Sm0ke0ut | try git@localhost:~/gitolite-admin.git |
| 11:30.44 | buscon | it doesn't work, because it tryes to use ssh on the port 22 |
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| 11:30.50 | buscon | and my ssh is running on the 2222 |
| 11:30.53 | Sm0ke0ut | hehe |
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| 11:30.56 | buscon | how can I change the port? :) |
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| 11:32.49 | buscon | ok, found it: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/3596260/git-remote-add-with-other-ssh-port |
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| 11:32.58 | buscon | Sm0ke0ut, thx anyway :) |
| 11:33.03 | ChrisH | buscon: grep Port /etc/ssh/sshd_config |
| 11:33.31 | ChrisH | buscon: did not read all... forget it |
| 11:33.40 | buscon | ChrisH, np |
| 11:33.42 | Sm0ke0ut | yeah, but he probably wants to keep his sshd on 2222 instead of 22 :) |
| 11:34.20 | ChrisH | Sm0ke0ut: yep... I was already aksing why get away from 2222... keeps script kiddies away. |
| 11:34.37 | Sm0ke0ut | it does not though |
| 11:34.47 | Sm0ke0ut | first thing people will do is a portscan |
| 11:34.56 | Sm0ke0ut | and trigger all ports to check what they return |
| 11:35.06 | yossarianuk | it does stop some people.... |
| 11:35.18 | yossarianuk | knockd is what you want.... |
| 11:35.20 | Sm0ke0ut | "people" = bots ofcourse |
| 11:35.38 | SamanthaD | It's best to run SSHd with password authentication turned off. I'd like to see someone brute force an SSH key... |
| 11:35.50 | Sm0ke0ut | indeed :) |
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| 11:36.19 | Sm0ke0ut | and a user/group allow lsit |
| 11:36.23 | yossarianuk | that in conjuction with knockd would be pretty safe. |
| 11:36.37 | yossarianuk | possibly verging on paranoid... |
| 11:36.42 | Sm0ke0ut | anyhow. This is getting offtopic :P |
| 11:36.50 | SamanthaD | You don't even really need knockd... As long as you're using key pairs SSHd is pretty darn secure |
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| 11:40.53 | nvz | this is a bit on the edge of the topic of this channel and probably the scope of your collective knowledge but since I have been wanting to do more video on my ipod I feel the need to ask about this issue |
| 11:41.46 | nvz | I use avidemux's "auto ipod" feature as its simple and the only thing I found to make videos actually play on my ipod, but if they're over like 20min it seems to go nuts after like 22min or so of playback.. just starts racing through the frames beyond that point |
| 11:42.05 | nvz | I'm not sure if I am hitting some undocumented limit of the device or if there is something wrong with the way the files are encoded |
| 11:42.20 | nvz | pretty much any theories or similar experiences would be helpful |
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| 11:43.09 | nvz | my only idea on the subject is to take long videos and split them into 10-15min clips when I transcode them to get around this |
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| 11:44.02 | nvz | in that regard, if anyone knows a fairly simple one-liner that I can still use the simple "auto ipod" think to convert then use something else that will automagically divide it up into clips, that'd be great too |
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| 11:44.57 | nvz | cause as of right now, my best idea is a lot of manual editing and adding a whole lot of time and effort into this process.. and the whole point of it is to be able to take stuff I wanna watch with me.. and if I take more time than the runtime of the video to do it, I could've just watched it.. heh |
| 11:46.12 | nvz | in other news I may go offline.. gonna swap batteries and gotta get out of this dock to do it, which is where my net is coming from ATM |
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| 11:49.10 | nkuttler | nvz: if yes you could try a different player, like vlc i guess |
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| 11:49.19 | nvz | ah.. minor lag.. no biggie.. heh.. I think for today anyhow I'm just gonna take this laptop.. hence making sure I got at least two juiced batteries.. but I'd like to start watching more stuff on the ol ipod |
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| 11:49.46 | nvz | nkuttler: I could never get stuff I converted with vlc to play on the ipod even after observing the spec sheet and setting up the right options |
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| 11:50.27 | nvz | nkuttler: the videos play fine on the computer.. its when I put them on the ipod they only play up to about 20-22min or so before seeking rapidly to the end without audio |
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| 11:50.52 | nvz | its an ipod nano 3rd gen 4gb.. |
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| 11:51.03 | nkuttler | nvz: yeah, was just going to ask. no idea about those |
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| 11:51.35 | nvz | its the square looking nano.. has video/pic capabilities |
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| 11:51.54 | nvz | and one of the few models you cannot mod cause they never figured out how to hack it |
| 11:52.07 | nvz | the generation above and below it can run rockbox and such |
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| 11:55.46 | nvz | I guess at some point I need to try do this on a windows box with itunes to see if it will even let me encode a file more than 20min and if it works or not |
| 11:55.58 | nvz | that should help me narrow down where the problem lies |
| 11:56.39 | nvz | if itunes doesnt let me do it, its not suppose to do it.. if it does and works, I know its how I'm doing it, and if it does and doesn't work.. heh.. then its just the ipod firmware or something |
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| 11:57.13 | nvz | I think it could be age of the device even.. cause I got a whole album on there that shows up and plays fine when in random, but is not in the menu anywhere.. not under songs, albums, artists.. nothing |
| 11:57.16 | Walex | w/n |
| 11:58.21 | ProgR33n | C |
| 11:58.41 | nvz | but that all could also be due to corruption by 3rd party software and not actual issues with the memory on the device |
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| 11:59.56 | nvz | in any case I guess I'll keep narrowing it down.. cheers.. gotta go get the day rolling.. |
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| 12:17.25 | nse1 | hey guys do you know where I can find help for using apache? |
| 12:17.35 | ksk | #httpd |
| 12:17.45 | nse1 | thank you, ksk |
| 12:17.51 | Sirrohan | hi ^ |
| 12:17.54 | Sirrohan | ^^ |
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| 12:21.46 | ksk | hey folks. if i wanted to change a netmask(not ip) of a running server, what should i do? ifdown/ifup $device? will services(mysql, httpd, ...) survive that? |
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| 12:24.13 | ChrisH | ifconfig for immediate change |
| 12:25.00 | ChrisH | ksk: Then I would change the interfaces file and do a controlled reboot to make sure its reboot safe. |
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| 12:28.17 | ksk | ifconfig, wtf :> |
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| 12:30.20 | Sirrohan | ifconfig FTW! |
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| 12:31.33 | ksk | deprecated! |
| 12:31.41 | Sirrohan | ^ |
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| 12:32.54 | dshep | anyone know how i can unbind my volume up/down/mute keys so they do nothing? |
| 12:33.43 | nkuttler | dshep: are you using something like gnome/kde? |
| 12:34.13 | dshep | nkuttler: xfce |
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| 12:39.17 | ChrisH | ksk: what is deprecated? |
| 12:39.48 | ksk | ifconfig |
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| 12:40.17 | ksk | guess its not, but i prefer using "ip" |
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| 12:40.25 | Iridos | dshep, first check if/what keycodes they send with "xev"... |
| 12:40.53 | ksk | "modern Linux distributions are in the process of deprecating ifconfig and route" |
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| 12:41.18 | ChrisH | ksk: As long as all other UNIX OS still use ifconfig, I will not switch and cannot recommend this to anyone who might prepare to administer UNIX systems. |
| 12:42.10 | Iridos | newfangled stuff |
| 12:42.27 | ksk | i just use linux, so.. |
| 12:42.43 | ksk | or, I use linux only |
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| 12:44.16 | r31n3r | how can I list all packages that were explicitly installed? |
| 12:44.16 | nkuttler | dshep: i'd check the xfce settings then |
| 12:44.34 | Armand | ksk, why did I read part of that as "defecating" ?? O_o |
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| 12:45.33 | ChrisH | ksk: I need to earn money with Solaris and HPUX and others |
| 12:45.35 | nkuttler | deprecate ifconfig? from my cold dead hands.. |
| 12:45.49 | Armand | Exactly, nkuttler.. it's dumb |
| 12:45.51 | ksk | chrchr. |
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| 12:46.11 | ksk | guess you guys are old :P |
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| 12:46.48 | Armand | No.. we know what works. |
| 12:46.52 | ksk | but lets stop that offtopic talking. just edited network/interfaces and rebooted the machine and everything is fine |
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| 12:49.52 | Sirrohan | i'm not old... |
| 12:49.55 | turbomettwurst | how does one change the file creation mask for a specific directory (and its children) from 755 to 775, but not systemwide? |
| 12:49.57 | Sirrohan | i'm deprecated ^^ |
| 12:50.30 | Armand | lol |
| 12:50.58 | Armand | It's ok, Sirrohan.. I'm defunct. :/ |
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| 12:53.04 | Armand | I got promoted to stable but failed to propagate, so I was replaced by an inferior package with less features... but that's enough about my ex. :P |
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| 12:53.34 | ChrisH | ksk: Well.. depends on your definition of old :) I am earning money with Solaris for over 15years now |
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| 12:55.34 | Iridos | r31n3r, aptitude search '!~M' |
| 12:56.01 | Iridos | ... I hope. you can look in /usr/share/doc/aptitude/README yourself |
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| 12:56.12 | KittyPaws | heyy |
| 12:56.14 | KittyPaws | okies |
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| 12:56.36 | KittyPaws | I want to knopw how to create an img file from installing from ISO. |
| 12:56.38 | KittyPaws | I have a Debian VM |
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| 12:56.52 | paulpalm | what' a good intro book for debian |
| 12:56.56 | KittyPaws | tried both Virtual PC and Virtualbox but Virtualbox crashes when performing dd |
| 12:57.11 | KittyPaws | and Virtual PC just forever dd's |
| 12:57.30 | ChrisH | KittyPaws: what do want to do? img file from installing from ISO? |
| 12:57.30 | Sirrohan | DD = Damage Dealer? o.o |
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| 12:57.53 | KittyPaws | Yes ChrisH |
| 12:58.03 | KittyPaws | want to backup /dev/sda within the VM |
| 12:59.03 | Iridos | r31n3r, ops, make that aptitude search '?and(!~M,~i)' |
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| 12:59.51 | themill | the ?and is implicit if there is no whitespace |
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| 13:02.46 | KittyPaws | back |
| 13:02.54 | KittyPaws | yeah what I want to do is create a distro |
| 13:03.03 | KittyPaws | but first I must put into an img file |
| 13:03.46 | KittyPaws | I don't have access to remasterme or anything like that |
| 13:04.44 | pmo | so not a real distro? |
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| 13:06.08 | KittyPaws_ | ? |
| 13:06.11 | KittyPaws_ | bump |
| 13:06.50 | KittyPaws_ | It's debian in a VHD file. I want to dd it to an img. |
| 13:08.21 | ksk | ChrisH: you are old ;) |
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| 13:09.24 | KittyPaws_ | :/ |
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| 13:10.38 | KittyPaws_ | It would be nice if someone would help me! :o |
| 13:10.53 | Armand | pours custard over KittyPaws_ |
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| 13:13.20 | KittyPaws_ | Armand: :/ |
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| 13:13.24 | KittyPaws_ | Just help me! O.o |
| 13:13.28 | KittyPaws_ | Armand love |
| 13:13.30 | KittyPaws_ | hun |
| 13:13.32 | KittyPaws_ | :( |
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| 13:13.49 | jelly | KittyPaws_: have you tried googling the obvious? vhd to img |
| 13:13.55 | KittyPaws_ | :/ |
| 13:14.00 | KittyPaws_ | jelly: Don't want that. |
| 13:14.06 | KittyPaws_ | I don't want to convert the VHD to an img. |
| 13:14.12 | Armand | KittyPaws_, Nuu! |
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| 13:14.24 | KittyPaws_ | I want to use dd within a debian VM. |
| 13:14.31 | jelly | KittyPaws_: so use it. |
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| 13:14.39 | KittyPaws_ | but it doesn't seem to function right on the VMs. |
| 13:14.48 | jelly | how does it fail? |
| 13:15.17 | ChrisH | KittyPaws_: dd backup from INSIDE a running system? WHy do you expect this to produce a valid backup? |
| 13:15.24 | KittyPaws_ | dd if=/dev/sda of=helinux.img bs=1M just goes on forever inside virtual pc |
| 13:15.28 | KittyPaws_ | and it crashes virtualbox |
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| 13:15.41 | jelly | KittyPaws_: where is the output file stored? |
| 13:16.01 | KittyPaws_ | jelly: What output file? |
| 13:16.06 | Jr01_ | hi all |
| 13:16.10 | jelly | KittyPaws_: of that command |
| 13:16.16 | ChrisH | KittyPaws_: of=helinux.img is asked for |
| 13:16.19 | KittyPaws_ | yes |
| 13:16.26 | jpinx | KittyPaws_: did you look at virtualbox tools for that? |
| 13:16.27 | KittyPaws_ | it doesn't exist ofc |
| 13:16.37 | jelly | KittyPaws_: WHERE are you placing it? |
| 13:16.39 | KittyPaws_ | they crash virtual box when trying to install them |
| 13:16.40 | Armand | facepalms |
| 13:16.54 | KittyPaws_ | jelly: /root |
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| 13:17.00 | ChrisH | KittyPaws_: sort version: forget it! |
| 13:17.04 | Armand | lol |
| 13:17.04 | ChrisH | KittyPaws_: short version: forget it! |
| 13:17.09 | jelly | KittyPaws_: and where is /root stored? |
| 13:17.25 | KittyPaws_ | ChrisH: You're being rude to me therefore I am putting you on ignore. |
| 13:17.38 | KittyPaws_ | jelly: on the VM |
| 13:17.42 | Armand | \o/ |
| 13:17.44 | KittyPaws_ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 13:17.45 | jelly | KittyPaws_: for obvious reasons, you're not able to make an image of /dev/sda on a filesystem on /dev/sda. |
| 13:17.51 | KittyPaws_ | :/ |
| 13:17.56 | jelly | really now |
| 13:17.59 | KittyPaws_ | I am struggling to mount a device |
| 13:18.00 | Armand | Obvious flaw is obvious.... ? |
| 13:18.06 | KittyPaws_ | it causes I/O errors |
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| 13:18.15 | KittyPaws_ | people are blaming it on my device failing |
| 13:18.17 | jpinx | KittyPaws_: you can not copy an image of a vm itno itself ;) |
| 13:18.20 | KittyPaws_ | but 10 devices can't be failing |
| 13:18.28 | jpinx | ...into |
| 13:18.32 | Armand | KittyPaws_, you gone done screwed it up. |
| 13:18.32 | jelly | KittyPaws_: I suggest doing it outside virtualbox. |
| 13:18.41 | KittyPaws_ | jelly: How?! |
| 13:18.52 | shpank | sadly, this is too long for bash.org :) |
| 13:19.04 | jpinx | KittyPaws_: use vbox tools |
| 13:19.09 | KittyPaws_ | they don't work |
| 13:19.13 | KittyPaws_ | I install guest additions... |
| 13:19.17 | KittyPaws_ | it crashes vbox |
| 13:19.49 | ChrisH | does not feel rude... but waits to be asked for the long version. |
| 13:20.06 | Armand | ChrisH, never mind.. you're quite right though. |
| 13:20.20 | jpinx | KittyPaws_: you need to clarify your objectives. It is very easy to get head messed when working with vm's |
| 13:20.45 | shpank | KittyPaws_: you can add a second HDD to your vm |
| 13:20.57 | shpank | and then copy the contents of /dev/sda |
| 13:20.58 | KittyPaws_ | It's not what I want tho shpank |
| 13:21.04 | shpank | to a file on your /dev/sdb1 |
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| 13:21.12 | KittyPaws_ | I don't want to copy my contents to an HD image |
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| 13:21.23 | shpank | what then? |
| 13:21.25 | Armand | KittyPaws_, what you WANT it to make it WORK.. so, listen! |
| 13:21.30 | jpinx | KittyPaws_: I suggest your /join #vbox |
| 13:21.36 | KittyPaws_ | I have been listening. |
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| 13:21.47 | Armand | dismissing is not listening. |
| 13:21.55 | KittyPaws_ | vbox tools is for linux |
| 13:22.17 | KittyPaws_ | I currently don't have access to a linux host. |
| 13:22.37 | Armand | :/ |
| 13:22.41 | jpinx | KittyPaws_: seriously.. /join #vbox |
| 13:22.44 | shpank | KittyPaws_: so... you wanna make your own distro? |
| 13:22.45 | Armand | walks away..... |
| 13:22.46 | KittyPaws_ | I am in there |
| 13:22.49 | KittyPaws_ | they're not answering me. |
| 13:22.58 | KittyPaws_ | they are now |
| 13:23.21 | jpinx | KittyPaws_: you don't really have a debian issue |
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| 13:23.43 | shpank | jpinx: yeah, it's more like pebkac :) |
| 13:23.53 | jelly | if you're trying to make an image of a VM on a non-linux host, investigate tools for the host you have |
| 13:24.07 | Armand | votes with shpank |
| 13:24.08 | KittyPaws_ | :/ |
| 13:24.16 | KittyPaws_ | You don't think I tried all this already?! |
| 13:24.41 | jpinx | KittyPaws_: 8 see you getting help in #vbox now. have a nice day :D |
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| 13:25.45 | shpank | ...women, huh? |
| 13:26.01 | abrotman | ...assholes, huh? |
| 13:26.06 | Armand | That's not really the issue, now.. is it ? |
| 13:26.11 | Armand | shpank ^ |
| 13:26.13 | ChrisH | has aching cheeks now |
| 13:26.13 | shpank | just kidding :) |
| 13:26.14 | KittyPaws_ | :/ |
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| 13:27.36 | elemay2 | hi guys, im trying to set up a bonded vlan. nic's get bonded and vlan id tag is added, but no dhcp lease is returned. if i do service networking restart after the box booted up i get an dhcp lease. what could be wrong? |
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| 13:28.09 | jelly | shpank: it's a bad, unfunny joke. Being a whiny ass is not a gender trait. |
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| 13:29.02 | mvt007geek | hi is anyone know about crypto API? |
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| 13:31.53 | Sefid_par | !chmod |
| 13:31.53 | dpkg | If you do not know how to use chmod but ask for a lesson in "Chmod 101" classes, we feel sorry for you, or simple octal, with r=4 w=2 x=1. rwxr-xr-- = (rwx) (r-x) (r--) = (4+2+1) (4+0+1) (4+0+0) = 754. or ask me about <permissions>. |
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| 13:32.24 | Sefid_par | !permissions |
| 13:32.24 | dpkg | For information on permissions, read info coreutils 'File Permissions', http://mywiki.wooledge.org/Permissions and http://www.comptechdoc.org/os/linux/usersguide/linux_ugfilesp.html . For further information, see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unix_permission and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chmod and follow the setuid and setgid links within. See also <ssh permissions>, <qotd232>. http://wiki.debian.org/Permissions |
| 13:32.44 | jelly | dpkg, tell Sefid_par about msg the bot |
| 13:33.37 | jelly | elemay2: is the port-channel on the switch configured in trunk mode? |
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| 13:40.56 | elemay2 | jelly: yes |
| 13:41.04 | KittyPaws_ | Forget it... |
| 13:41.12 | KittyPaws_ | vbox is just unstable very unstable |
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| 13:41.22 | elemay2 | jelly: its configured as LAG1 - LAG1 was added to VLAN ID 2 |
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| 13:45.49 | ChrisH | elemay2: just to sumup what I understood. You configured a bonded VLAN and it does not work (get an IP assigned) upon reboot. A manual ifdown/ifup or network restart does work (gets an IP) correct? |
| 13:48.16 | KittyPaws_ | Yep can't even install an OS into it. |
| 13:48.26 | elemay2 | ChrisH: thats true |
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| 13:51.28 | ChrisH | elemay2: So it must be a timeing issue during bonding and or setting up VLAN. I did not yet bond nor VLAN on Linux. Is bonding done in a different start script as vlan setup or is it the same script? |
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| 13:54.53 | elemay2 | ChrisH: bonding is setup in /etc/network/interfaces as vlan is. what i did: installed neccessary packages, added modules to /etc/modules and added the devices to /etc/network/interfaces. /etc/network/interfaces looks like this: auto eth0 - iface etho inet manual bond-master bond0 (same for eth1), now i did vconfig add bond0 2 and added the vlan to interfaces - auto bond0.2 - iface bond0.2 inet dhcp - vlan-raw-device bond0 |
| 13:55.21 | elemay2 | ChrisH: etho = eth0 for sure |
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| 13:59.24 | blackjack | how to instal lsblk on debian |
| 13:59.24 | KittyPaws_ | ]]]]]] |
| 13:59.25 | nevyn | really? |
| 13:59.25 | KittyPaws_ | ]]]]]] |
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| 13:59.27 | jelly | !ops KittyPaws_ |
| 13:59.27 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: jelly complains about: KittyPaws_ |
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| 13:59.53 | blackjack | how to instal lsblk on debian |
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| 14:00.04 | abrotman | some people ... |
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| 14:00.17 | KittyPaws_ | ... |
| 14:00.22 | KittyPaws_ | Whyy were I kicked?! |
| 14:00.26 | abrotman | KittyPaws_: did you think that was funny? |
| 14:00.32 | KittyPaws_ | what? |
| 14:00.36 | KittyPaws_ | What was funny? |
| 14:00.38 | r31n3r | all that flood |
| 14:00.42 | CissWit | i think reason was self explaining |
| 14:00.43 | KittyPaws_ | flood? |
| 14:00.44 | KittyPaws_ | ... |
| 14:00.45 | r31n3r | certainly wasn't |
| 14:00.57 | KittyPaws_ | I flooded? |
| 14:01.03 | abrotman | KittyPaws_: stop hitting the enter key .. jee |
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| 14:01.22 | KittyPaws_ | If I flooded them sorry I didn't do it on purpose. |
| 14:01.23 | jelly | elemay2: you should't need to specify vlan-raw-device, "bond0.2" is enough for ifupdown; also, no need to vconfig manually either |
| 14:01.27 | KittyPaws_ | All I saw was... |
| 14:01.32 | CissWit | [14:59:36] KittyPaws_ │ ]]]]]] <- and a lot more |
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| 14:01.35 | KittyPaws_ | a channl vanish out of my channel list. |
| 14:01.42 | baneM | yes, asshat, flooded. |
| 14:01.45 | abrotman | baneM: stop |
| 14:01.50 | KittyPaws_ | Must've been my client sorry. |
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| 14:02.02 | Towzzer | kittypaws, that's such a cute nick |
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| 14:02.11 | KittyPaws_ | I were doing some keyboard tricks elsewhere. |
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| 14:02.27 | jelly | Towzzer: she uses all sorts of cute nicks, changing every few weeks. It's a bit annoying. |
| 14:02.31 | abrotman | KittyPaws_: move on .. |
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| 14:03.20 | Towzzer | I haz keyboard trickz |
| 14:03.28 | jelly | elemay2: which debian release/kernel are you using btw? |
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| 14:05.10 | elemay2 | jelly: squeeze, 2.6.32-5-686 |
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| 14:06.23 | jelly | elemay2: huh. pastebin the interfaces file, please |
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| 14:09.56 | elemay2 | jelly: http://pastebin.ca/2313110 |
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| 14:10.47 | jelly | elemay2: looks fine at first sight... do you see _any_ traffic with tcpdump -ni bond0.2 ? |
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| 14:11.11 | jelly | apart from what the switch creates (cdp/lldp/stp) |
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| 14:11.32 | elemay2 | jelly: now i do, cause its working after manual restarting of network interfaces. you mean just after boot? |
| 14:13.12 | jelly | elemay2: the thing with both bonding and 802.1Q VLANs is, depending on drivers vlan does not get set up correctly if the link's not up. I have "post-up sleep 8" or so in lots of server /etc/network/interfaces files. |
| 14:13.24 | nu11p01n73R | installation fails at unable to mount cdrom |
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| 14:14.08 | elemay2 | jelly: im just rebooting and tell you if i see anything |
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| 14:14.51 | abrotman | nu11p01n73R: created with unetbootin ? |
| 14:14.51 | jelly | elemay2: http://paste.debian.net/233548/ can't find a debian with both bonding and vlans, so here's an example with bonding only |
| 14:14.59 | Aktau | Hey guys, when I pipe a command to "tee" it changes the return code to the next command, how do I preserve it? |
| 14:15.06 | Aktau | I used to have: command && reboot |
| 14:15.14 | abrotman | man bash ? |
| 14:15.17 | Aktau | Now I have (command | tee) && reboot |
| 14:15.25 | Aktau | Even if command fails I still get a reboot |
| 14:15.25 | abrotman | uhm .. that wasn't what i meant to type |
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| 14:15.34 | Towzzer | because tee was sucessful |
| 14:15.41 | Aktau | Towzzer: exactly |
| 14:15.48 | Towzzer | set a variable equal to the return of the first command then test it before the reboot |
| 14:15.50 | Aktau | Towzzer: but I'd like to mimic the old situation |
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| 14:16.13 | Aktau | Towzzer: can't do it in a relativey clean-ish one-liner? |
| 14:16.26 | babilen | Aktau: You might want #bash |
| 14:16.38 | Aktau | babilen: you're right, thanks |
| 14:16.41 | babilen | np |
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| 14:17.31 | Towzzer | how about command > /file;return_val=$?;cat /file;if $returnval;then reboot;else echo "failed";fi |
| 14:17.53 | Towzzer | you want to output the command to a file and print the results to the screen, then you want a reboot if the command suceedd |
| 14:18.28 | alfplayer | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:18.41 | Towzzer | aktau, someone in bash gave you a better answer |
| 14:19.05 | Aktau | Yep, thanks guys ;) |
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| 14:20.35 | nu11p01n73R | abrotman:no i use a usb dvd drive to booy |
| 14:20.42 | nu11p01n73R | abrotman boot |
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| 14:23.41 | squidly_ | hi si there a debconf expert hanging around ? ^^ |
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| 14:24.07 | nkuttler | !expert |
| 14:24.07 | dpkg | an expert is someone who knows at least 1% more about a subject than youself. an "ex"-- someone who *used* to know what he was talking about, and "spurt", a big drip...well, perhaps an ex is someone who lives in Texas |
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| 14:24.50 | squidly_ | ^^ |
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| 14:25.21 | squidly_ | if i go by your definitions there are a lot of experts out here |
| 14:25.44 | ksk | squidly_: just ask your question |
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| 14:25.55 | ksk | and yes, this channel is full of experts! |
| 14:25.56 | themill | squidly_: just ask your real question. It might be that you do better in #debian-mentors on irc.oftc.net |
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| 14:26.50 | honschu_ | Hi, I'm runnding debian arm and need to rebuild libqt4 with an additional patch. What is the best and fastest way to rebuild that package? Qemu, crossbuild, native? Please give me and advice. Thanks. |
| 14:27.23 | nu11p01n73R | unable to mount cd rom error while trying to install debian from usb-dvd drive |
| 14:27.34 | squidly_ | well , i've got a config script that use debconf, when i want to upgrade the package it asks questions about the variables not set but after that i need to do a "-f install " to fix the dependencies but after that when the config script is run again debconf does not seem to have kept the answer |
| 14:27.51 | squidly_ | (sorry for my english i'm from belgium) |
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| 14:28.57 | squidly_ | so the scripts goes on a infinite loop waiting for the variable to be set but since it is configured from a 'aptitude -f install' it never asks ^^ |
| 14:29.10 | squidly_ | was that clear enough ? |
| 14:29.41 | squidly_ | themill: thx for the tip i'll go ask there also |
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| 14:36.26 | elemay2 | jelly: hmmm... doesn't work. waits for 15 seconds and then, the same as before |
| 14:36.48 | Walex | honschu_: probably native, depends on how fast is your ARM hw. |
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| 14:37.37 | jelly | elemay2: ok. Do you see any traffic on bond0.2? |
| 14:37.45 | Walex | squidly: can't you run that with a less chatty level of 'debconf'? |
| 14:38.56 | squidly_ | the question level is high, and my debconf value ( changed by dpkg-reconfigure debconf) is medium |
| 14:39.17 | elemay2 | jelly: nope |
| 14:39.32 | squidly_ | the problem is that the question is asked the first time i try to upgrade my package, but not after i launch 'aptitude -f install' |
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| 14:41.44 | honschu_ | Walex: Slow :) |
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| 14:43.03 | khaije1 | is the backup system user used for anything? would it be harmful for me to lock the password? |
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| 14:44.17 | ChrisH | khaije1: mine has on passwd -S backup backup L 03/10/2012 0 99999 7 -1 |
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| 14:46.28 | jelly | elemay2: does it appear if you unplug one card? |
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| 14:49.22 | elemay2 | jelly: no it doesn't |
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| 14:50.57 | jelly | no ideas, then. Can you check switch logs and see if LACP is established and working? |
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| 14:53.38 | wyvrn | When trying to open unetbootin, I get error while loading shared libraries: libXi.so.6: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
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| 14:54.01 | wyvrn | And I have installed libXi-dev and libXi |
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| 14:55.40 | khaije1 | ChrisH: lol, good enough! |
| 14:55.48 | khaije1 | bbl |
| 14:55.57 | wyvrn | what should I do? |
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| 14:56.08 | jelly | wyvrn: uh... do you mean libxi6 and libxi-dev |
| 14:56.32 | jelly | wyvrn: btw unetbootin does not work well with debian's images. |
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| 14:57.02 | ChrisH | elemay2: I assume you checked dmesg before manually activating the bond? |
| 14:57.02 | wyvrn | ok, how should I make a live usb? |
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| 14:58.36 | jelly | wyvrn: just dump the image directly onto the usb stick |
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| 14:58.43 | wyvrn | oh ok |
| 14:59.56 | jelly | (not a partition either, dd it or cat foo.iso > /dev/sdX -- onto the whole device) |
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| 15:00.47 | wyvrn | ok |
| 15:00.54 | wyvrn | thanks |
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| 15:08.08 | martin__ | greetings |
| 15:08.08 | martin__ | I want to set up a pptpd connection but there is no option to set up a vpn connection in the networkmanager |
| 15:08.08 | martin__ | I installed apt-get install network-manager-openvpn network-manager-pptp network-manager-vpnc |
| 15:08.58 | abrotman | martin__: in gnome? wheezy? |
| 15:09.01 | martin__ | gnome |
| 15:09.07 | martin__ | yes |
| 15:09.27 | abrotman | network-manager-gnome also installed ? |
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| 15:10.14 | abrotman | and network-manager-vpnc-gnome, etc |
| 15:10.20 | martin__ | http://paste.debian.net/233576/ abcdefg_ |
| 15:10.51 | martin__ | i was missing network-manager-vpnc-gnome, just installling abrotman |
| 15:11.08 | abrotman | martin__: i recently filed a wishlist bug about how some of these interact |
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| 15:11.39 | abrotman | dpkg: dbugs 699307 |
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| 15:11.45 | martin__ | thanks abrotman |
| 15:11.48 | dpkg | #699307:W[network-manager-vpnc] network-manager-vpnc should mention network-manager-vpnc-gnome (); Wed, 30 Jan 2013 02:09:02 UTC [] |
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| 15:12.20 | abrotman | probably should be a bit higher than wishlist .. ah well |
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| 15:14.57 | abrotman | martin__: better? |
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| 15:18.12 | e0926016 | hi |
| 15:18.39 | e0926016 | thanks abrotman i'm now connectect to the vpn, but now the internet doesnt work on the machine which is connected to the vpn |
| 15:18.46 | e0926016 | do you know a solution for this problem? |
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| 15:19.13 | abrotman | e0926016: might be a VPN configuration issue .. or see about where your default route is going |
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| 15:21.13 | e0926016 | thanks for the route hint, i could fix the issue , abrotman |
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| 15:24.49 | MarKsaitis | apt-get eqvivalent of "dpkg --force-conflicts"???? |
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| 15:27.24 | Towzzer | is there a way to have netstat show listening ports just once |
| 15:27.40 | Towzzer | like if an interface is listening on 80 and another also on90 |
| 15:27.41 | Towzzer | 80 |
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| 15:37.16 | ChrisH | Towzzer: an application listens not an interface. |
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| 15:37.57 | jelly | MarKsaitis: it's "don't do that" |
| 15:38.32 | jelly | MarKsaitis: apt can't work if the dependencies are not satisfied |
| 15:39.00 | ChrisH | Towzzer: can you show an example on paste.debian.net ? |
| 15:39.07 | zetheroo | I am looking at a file with ls -la and it has these perms : rwxrwSrwt |
| 15:39.23 | zetheroo | what is that in numbers? |
| 15:39.42 | turbomettwurst | how does one change the file creation mask for a specific directory (and its children) from 755 to 775, but not systemwide? |
| 15:40.18 | MarKsaitis | jelly, as per http://sogo.nu/bugs/view.php?id=2176 note 2, I want to install that package whatever happens |
| 15:40.39 | nkuttler | turbomettwurst: acl? |
| 15:40.44 | ChrisH | zetheroo: could be 5777 but I am unsure about the S not being a s |
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| 15:41.20 | jelly | zetheroo: t = 01000 and x for other, S = setgid = 02000, no x for group, the rest is 0767, add them all together. |
| 15:41.31 | ChrisH | zetheroo: its 3767 |
| 15:41.49 | jelly | ChrisH: 04000 would be setuid, s or S in the user field |
| 15:41.52 | zetheroo | ok thanks ... never new there was such a thing :) |
| 15:42.02 | shpank | turbomettwurst: google sticky bit |
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| 15:42.21 | turbomettwurst | thx, sticky bit sounds better then acls :) |
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| 15:42.37 | ChrisH | jelly: I could quick remember a capital letter is a potential problem. |
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| 15:43.35 | jelly | MarKsaitis: that doesn't look like Debian. If I had to hack this, I'd repack the package and edit the control file to remove problematic Conflicts |
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| 15:53.50 | debiaNN | hi |
| 15:54.12 | sKeiths | hi. trying to get a new dvb-t usb card to work. I tested it alreqady in windows and its working. now trying to get it going in debian. http://paste.debian.net/233582/ I think i have installed it correctly, but me-tv is saying 'no dvb devices available.' anybody got any ideas |
| 15:54.16 | debiaNN | Where is the wheezy Live DVD please? |
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| 15:54.27 | debiaNN | I want to install debian from Live |
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| 15:55.44 | abrotman | debiaNN: why? use the regular installer |
| 15:56.21 | debiaNN | abrotman, Regular is big but my Internet is too slow |
| 15:56.28 | debiaNN | *installer |
| 15:56.34 | abrotman | debiaNN: the netinst is 200MB |
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| 15:56.57 | debiaNN | But it will not require internet connection? |
| 15:57.11 | abrotman | no, or you can use CD1 or DVD1 which have more packages |
| 15:57.15 | debiaNN | Still it will download lots of pacakge from internet |
| 15:57.17 | ceil | i couldn't netinst cos Cox sucks and kept dropping the connection ;x |
| 15:57.24 | abrotman | the netinst will give you a minimal install (no X) |
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| 15:57.36 | abrotman | if you want X from the disc, use CD1 or DVD1 |
| 15:57.49 | ceil | couldn't use a cd because no optical drive and when i tried a cd iso on a usb stick it complained about not finding /media/cdrom ;x |
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| 16:00.16 | debiaNN | abrotman, okay, I can build my simple live DVD from it like using remastersys ? Because i dont want to configure,install new package over and over when reinstall the debian. |
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| 16:02.59 | debiaNN | None want to answer of question like Customization ,.. lol . abrotman which one i should download as a Desktop user? |
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| 16:03.27 | abrotman | debiaNN: which one what? |
| 16:04.15 | debiaNN | sorry , I mean which version i should download wheezy, Squeeze or sid |
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| 16:04.32 | abrotman | clearly not sid |
| 16:04.32 | debiaNN | Of course it will be for Desktop and not server |
| 16:04.36 | debiaNN | ah |
| 16:05.49 | debiaNN | I don't have experience in Debian... Still my question Wheezy or Squeeze .... Which fit for home user(Will install in corei7 laptop)? |
| 16:05.57 | eth0ghost | I have a debian net install (minimal) on this laptop, I have added openbox to play with. I think I will use xterm since it uses little ram. I have altered the palette in .Xresources to no avail. Am I correct in assuming that .Xresources is the correct file to edit? Or should I make one in my home directory? |
| 16:06.08 | abrotman | debiaNN: is this a technical user? or like your mom? |
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| 16:07.08 | abrotman | eth0ghost: the xterm man page should tell you |
| 16:07.56 | debiaNN | Yeah, But not very technical :) |
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| 16:08.48 | abrotman | debiaNN: so it's for you? |
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| 16:08.59 | debiaNN | yes abrotman |
| 16:09.17 | Noettore | sorry is ftp.debian.org down?? |
| 16:09.40 | zykotick9 | eth0ghost: you might want to consider using urxvt instead of xterm... it's light as well, but seems to support curses application better YMMV |
| 16:09.53 | abrotman | Noettore: use http.debian.net anyway |
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| 16:10.46 | debiaNN | abrotman, ? |
| 16:12.07 | jhutchins_wk | Noettore: http://www.downforeveryoneorjustme.com/ftp.debian.org |
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| 16:12.36 | Noettore | jhutchins_wk: thanks |
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| 16:21.26 | debiaNN | abrotman does not like me! |
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| 16:22.14 | sKeiths | is there an equivilent to "opkg install kernel-module-dvb-usb-it913x" in debian? |
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| 16:22.57 | mtn | debiaNN: you could do some reading on the debian web page, but wheezy will be the new stable in a few weeks or so |
| 16:24.19 | debiaNN | nice to hear that wheezy going to be stable soon. |
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| 16:26.50 | abrotman | debiaNN: or i'm actually doing work |
| 16:27.00 | abrotman | mtn: not likely |
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| 16:27.11 | mtn | abrotman: few years???? |
| 16:27.12 | abrotman | is saying a couple of months |
| 16:27.24 | abrotman | mtn: we haven't had an RC1 for the installer yet |
| 16:27.31 | mtn | few months is of course a few months, too |
| 16:27.37 | abrotman | plus still a fair nuymber of RC bugs, and more being found |
| 16:27.40 | mtn | weeks, blush |
| 16:28.23 | abrotman | debiaNN: so use wheezy, you'll be okay |
| 16:28.39 | debiaNN | thanks abrotman ! |
| 16:28.43 | Iridos | sKeiths, dvb-usb-it913x.ko is in e.g. linux-image-3.2.0-3-amd64, so it should have come with your kernel |
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| 16:29.16 | r31n3r | anyone here using the liquorix kernel? |
| 16:29.49 | sKeiths | mine is Linux debian 2.6.32-5-amd64 |
| 16:30.04 | sKeiths | so, i need to upgrade |
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| 16:30.40 | babilen | dpkg: tell r31n3r -about liquorix |
| 16:30.52 | babilen | r31n3r: You might want to try their channel (and go there for support) |
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| 16:31.40 | r31n3r | babilen: sorry for mentioning unsupported stuff, I was just curious, but you are right, guess I'll ask over there |
| 16:32.43 | debiaNN | what is the kernel version of wheezy? |
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| 16:33.15 | babilen | judd: kernels |
| 16:33.16 | Iridos | sKeiths, dunno... i just checked on my system, which has 3.2 (and is wheezy), cannot say easily for other versions |
| 16:33.16 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 3.7-trunk-686-pae (3.7.3-1~experimental.1); sid: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.35-2); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.35-2); squeeze-backports: 3.2.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.2.35-2~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-46); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-35~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-29) |
| 16:33.19 | babilen | debiaNN: ^^ |
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| 16:34.33 | Iridos | judd, find dvb-usb-it913x.ko |
| 16:34.36 | judd | No packages in squeeze/i386 were found with that file. |
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| 16:34.51 | Iridos | judd, find dvb-usb-it913x.ko --release=testing |
| 16:34.55 | judd | Search for dvb-usb-it913x.ko in wheezy/i386: linux-image-3.2.0-4-amd64: lib/modules/3.2.0-4-amd64/kernel/drivers/media/dvb/dvb-usb/dvb-usb-it913x.ko; linux-image-3.2.0-4-486: lib/modules/3.2.0-4-486/kernel/drivers/media/dvb/dvb-usb/dvb-usb-it913x.ko; linux-image-3.2.0-4-686-pae: lib/modules/3.2.0-4-686-pae/kernel/drivers/media/dvb/dvb-usb/dvb-usb-it913x.ko; linux-image-3.2.0-4-rt-686-pae: |
| 16:34.56 | judd | lib/modules/3.2.0-4-rt-686-pae/kernel/drivers/media/dvb/dvb-usb/dvb-usb-it913x.ko; linux-image-3.2.0-4-rt-686-pae-dbg: usr/lib/debug/lib/modules/3.2.0-4-rt-686-pae/kernel/drivers/media/dvb/dvb-usb/dvb-usb-it913x.ko; linux-image-3.2.0-4-686-pae-dbg: usr/lib/debug/lib/modules/3.2.0-4-686-pae/kernel/drivers/media/dvb/dvb-usb/dvb-usb-it913x.ko |
| 16:35.06 | Iridos | sKeiths, looks like |
| 16:35.14 | Iridos | dpkg, tell sKeiths about backports |
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| 16:35.56 | Iridos | sKeiths, or you could take this as an opportunity to look for some more bugs in wheezy before it becomes stable :D |
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| 16:36.09 | sKeiths | thanks Iridos. I have wheezy at home, so will try it their first. |
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| 16:39.51 | wyvrn | I'm such a noob, can someone give me a command to dump the .iso on a flash drive to make a live usb? |
| 16:40.14 | debiaNN | gonna download the CD http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/wheezy_di_beta4/amd64/iso-cd/debian-wheezy-DI-b4-amd64-kde-CD-1.iso AS I am KDE user ... Hope i am downloading the right ISO |
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| 16:40.55 | themill | debiaNN: lots of the kde packages have been updates since that cd was made. You'd probably do just as well with the netinst and then install kde afterwards |
| 16:41.04 | zykotick9 | wyvrn: for a debian iso? "cat foo.iso > /dev/SDX" replace foo.iso with iso name, and SDX with the device name (not a partition, but the root of the device). |
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| 16:41.43 | wyvrn | ok, I did that but it didn't work, I may have done the partition |
| 16:41.57 | zykotick9 | wyvrn: no number at teh end. |
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| 16:42.15 | Anuska | firefox? |
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| 16:42.19 | Anuska | hmm |
| 16:43.02 | debiaNN | themill, Then i can use live-build to make a Live CD for later installation in Future? |
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| 16:43.30 | themill | I have no idea how good the installer is in the live images these days. |
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| 16:44.46 | wyvrn | thanks, I'll be back haha |
| 16:44.53 | debiaNN | i just want to take backup of my system so that i don't need net connection for every fresh installation.... I am just worry since my net connection is too slow |
| 16:45.11 | babilen | Anuska: What do you mean? |
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| 16:45.56 | Anuska | babilen :P i want to install firefox on debian |
| 16:46.26 | KsM | there's iceweasel |
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| 16:47.16 | Anuska | is not mozilla? |
| 16:47.24 | Anuska | iceweasel is the browser/ |
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| 16:48.06 | themill | dpkg: tell Anuska about mozilla.debian.net |
| 16:49.08 | Anuska | thanks |
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| 17:04.24 | babilen | Anuska: Just install iceweasel -- If you need newer version than what is available in your Debian version (which?) then get it from http://mozilla.debian.net |
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| 17:04.31 | babilen | dpkg: tell Anuska -about iceweasel |
| 17:04.51 | Anuska | thanks |
| 17:04.55 | Anuska | i install |
| 17:05.11 | staropram | What's the security like on iceweasel? |
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| 17:05.23 | Anuska | intresting how fast is debian |
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| 17:05.41 | Towzzer | I iceweasel is firefox |
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| 17:05.46 | babilen | staropram: What do you mean? |
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| 17:05.59 | maher | is there some handy tool to download old email messages from google groups/ |
| 17:06.00 | Anuska | debian have application like teamviewer? to connect from windows on him? |
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| 17:06.35 | staropram | How quickly are security patches backported? |
| 17:06.36 | Walex2 | Anuska: yes, 'tsclient' and similar |
| 17:06.56 | Anuska | but is for win tsclient? |
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| 17:07.03 | Walex2 | staropram: depends on whether you have a gold or silver Debian account... :-) |
| 17:07.13 | Walex2 | Anuska: yes. |
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| 17:07.28 | Anuska | thanks |
| 17:07.57 | asesino | hao |
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| 17:19.50 | maher | i think i need some remedial instruction on how to use a browser.... |
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| 17:20.24 | Anuska | Walex, i dont find tsclient for win |
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| 17:24.28 | brandonj | anybody know why awesome isn't showing up in the list of sessions in lightdm? |
| 17:24.37 | brandonj | there is a .xsession file in /usr/share/xsessions |
| 17:24.50 | brandonj | .desktop file* |
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| 17:26.17 | osfd_ | Hi there. I try to install quartus and when I launch the install, the soft tells me he can't find a program that is actually in the same directory than the install script... |
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| 17:26.42 | osfd_ | Should I add this directory in the path ? |
| 17:26.43 | Anuska | i use on windows remote desktop connection and i connot connect on linux debian |
| 17:26.58 | osfd_ | how do I add a directory in the path ? |
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| 17:28.27 | hroi | hi |
| 17:28.48 | hroi | I have a debian machine that hangs up every time I start it because it has an overfull at-process queue. |
| 17:29.00 | hroi | I have mounted the root filesystem of this machine |
| 17:29.13 | hroi | does anyone know how I can find the atq... and clear it. |
| 17:29.29 | osfd_ | here is the log; http://pastebin.com/DEzE3qj6 |
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| 17:29.54 | jordanm | hroi, /var/spool/cron/atjobs and atspool |
| 17:30.23 | jordanm | hroi, mv or rm the files |
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| 17:34.57 | hroi | jordanm: thanks! |
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| 17:39.05 | debianNN | Is there any issue with netinstall? |
| 17:39.30 | Sm0ke0ut | not that I know. why so? |
| 17:39.38 | babilen | debianNN: Which netinstall? But to answer your questsion: "depends" |
| 17:39.45 | babilen | *question even |
| 17:39.50 | debianNN | I don't get why it is taking so long when configuring apt |
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| 17:40.04 | debianNN | oh no |
| 17:40.07 | debianNN | sorry |
| 17:40.13 | babilen | *shrug* maybe it's lazy after eating pancakes:) |
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| 17:40.34 | GranoSalis | Hi |
| 17:40.37 | debianNN | It was my net |
| 17:40.45 | babilen | debianNN: Which netinstall are you referring to? What /exactly/ is the issue you are inquiring about? Can you gather more information on other consoles (ALT-F4) ... |
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| 17:41.25 | _martin | hi, can i create in /mnt/ any folder i want ? |
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| 17:41.41 | Sm0ke0ut | sure _martin |
| 17:41.47 | _martin | thanks |
| 17:41.48 | GranoSalis | sorry but can i get some help on this channel? |
| 17:41.58 | babilen | GranoSalis: What do you need help with? |
| 17:42.10 | GranoSalis | i just instaled debian |
| 17:42.19 | GranoSalis | with the xfce DE |
| 17:42.30 | debianNN | babilen, wheezy 7 . Perhaps it is not an issue(Taking long for my slow download speed) ... Configuring APT has been finished |
| 17:42.44 | GranoSalis | i used the cd installer |
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| 17:43.08 | GranoSalis | and now i cant use my wireless cards in it |
| 17:43.20 | babilen | GranoSalis: Which version of Debian did you install? Which image did you use exactly? Would you mind using punctuation character in lieu of the enter key? (we live in civilised times and have wonderful things like subclauses and punctuation!) |
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| 17:44.15 | GranoSalis | babilen: sorry,just a sec till i check which version it is |
| 17:44.17 | babilen | GranoSalis: Did you configure your wireless network during the installation? What exactly do you mean by "I can't use it" -- Don't you know how to or is something you do not geving the expecting results? |
| 17:44.29 | babilen | *giving |
| 17:44.31 | debianNN | i wish i would have 10MB download speed! |
| 17:44.34 | babilen | *expected |
| 17:44.35 | babilen | *sigh* |
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| 17:45.36 | maher | i'm staring at this webpage with these enticing javascript buttons with pull down menus, one option of which will download the files I want - how do I automate this? |
| 17:45.37 | GranoSalis | babilen: i used the gui installer |
| 17:45.51 | babilen | GranoSalis: You can run "cat /etc/debian_version" to test this. Please also show me the output of "lspci -nn|grep -i network" and "cat /etc/network/interfaces" on http://paste.debian.net (redact personal information) -- I am assuming that you are connected via ethernet and able to paste information, let me know if that is not the case. |
| 17:45.54 | GranoSalis | and i think it couldn't detect my wireless card |
| 17:46.14 | GranoSalis | im curenly in windows |
| 17:46.32 | GranoSalis | i cant do this at the moment |
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| 17:46.58 | babilen | GranoSalis: Ah, ok. Do you remember which installer image you download and where you downloaded it from? Do you know which wireless card you have? (model name) |
| 17:47.21 | GranoSalis | the installer was: debian-6.0.6-amd64-xfce+lxde-CD-1 |
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| 17:47.38 | GranoSalis | and i have one pci card in my pc |
| 17:47.54 | babilen | ok, do you know the vendor and model? |
| 17:48.03 | GranoSalis | dont know whic one it iand an usb tp-link rl-wn722n |
| 17:48.32 | babilen | So you have /two/ wireless adaptors. One unknown PCI one and one usb rl-wn722n ? |
| 17:48.55 | babilen | GranoSalis: Can you connect via ethernet and which precessor do you have? |
| 17:49.31 | GranoSalis | answer to the first question is yes |
| 17:49.35 | GranoSalis | lol |
| 17:49.46 | babilen | *processor |
| 17:49.53 | GranoSalis | and my cpu is an amd3800+ |
| 17:50.18 | GranoSalis | i think i just have to install drivers dor the cards |
| 17:50.29 | GranoSalis | but i dont know hoc could i do this |
| 17:50.34 | GranoSalis | how* |
| 17:50.35 | babilen | Ok, thank you. You mean you have two wireless adaptors but you don't know the name of the PCI (internal) one? |
| 17:50.49 | GranoSalis | yes |
| 17:51.19 | GranoSalis | i'll check the pci adaptor name if it can help |
| 17:51.23 | babilen | GranoSalis: You typically don't install drivers as /all/ drivers come with the kernel already. What might happen is that you need a newer kernel or firmware (proprietary binary blobs) for you hardware. |
| 17:51.40 | babilen | GranoSalis: That would indeed help. Give me a minute and I investigate the support status for your USB one. |
| 17:52.04 | GranoSalis | thank you,it'll take just a minute |
| 17:52.06 | abrotman | lspci -k might help |
| 17:52.22 | babilen | Ok, you do indeed need a newer kernel and firmware for your USB wireless adaptor. Lets see about your PCI one. |
| 17:52.31 | babilen | abrotman: GranoSalis is currently in windows. |
| 17:52.36 | babilen | GranoSalis: Can you use ethernet? |
| 17:53.04 | GranoSalis | i would if i could |
| 17:53.15 | babilen | ok, just checking :) |
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| 17:55.32 | GranoSalis | thanks for your time,and the pci adaptor is an Airlive WT-2000 |
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| 17:56.20 | abrotman | babilen: oh, that's no fun |
| 17:56.38 | abrotman | you can find PCIIDs in windows too |
| 17:57.05 | babilen | abrotman: I wouldn't know how :) |
| 17:57.51 | digdilem | babilen, click, click, click, click, click, click, click - there |
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| 17:58.16 | GranoSalis | lol |
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| 17:59.20 | babilen | My superior google-fu allowed me to conclude that it is a ralinkg rt2661 card |
| 17:59.47 | abrotman | babilen: in the Device Manager, there's a spot where it shows Vendor and DEvice |
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| 18:00.26 | babilen | GranoSalis: Ok, I have to leave soon. You /can/ use the USB one with a newer kernel and firmware. (See "/msg dpkg rl-wn722n" and "/msg dpkg ath9_htc") -- The internal PCI card should work with the kernel in stable (squeeze) but still needs firmware (See "/msg dpkg rt2661") |
| 18:00.58 | GranoSalis | do i need an internet connection to do that? |
| 18:01.10 | GranoSalis | that would be kinda pointless |
| 18:01.51 | babilen | Well, you can download the ralink firmware and install that manually. I would, however, also recommend to install a newer version of Debian altogether or upgrade to it. Your options are therefore: |
| 18:04.19 | babilen | GranoSalis: 1. Download the ralink firmware package from http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/firmware-ralink copy that to a removable medium (e.g. USB stick) and then install that manually with "dpkg -i firmare-ralink*.deb" on the Debian box. You can then configure your /etc/apt/sources.list and follow http://www.debian.org/releases/wheezy/amd64/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html to upgrade (in short: "/msg dpkg squeeze->wheezy") |
| 18:04.46 | babilen | GranoSalis: You don't necessarily have to upgrade at that point, but you won't be able to use your USB wlan adaptor |
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| 18:05.37 | GranoSalis | "dpkg -i firmare-ralink*.deb" |
| 18:05.46 | babilen | GranoSalis: Another way is to reinstall wheezy. You can provide firmware on a removable medium during the installation or use a netinstall installer with firmware. |
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| 18:05.58 | GranoSalis | firmare-ralink is where i put the location of the driver |
| 18:05.58 | GranoSalis | ? |
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| 18:06.12 | babilen | GranoSalis: Yeah, exactly (on the usb stick) |
| 18:06.27 | GranoSalis | thank you for the help |
| 18:07.00 | babilen | GranoSalis: I would recommend to simply reinstall and use the beta4 installer with firmware from http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/wheezy_di_beta4/ -- You have to configure that to install XFCE though (see "/msg dpkg install xfce4" for details) |
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| 18:07.41 | GranoSalis | i dont have any cd's left to burn the iso on to |
| 18:07.54 | babilen | GranoSalis: You can also download the installer from http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ and copy the unpacked firmware package (from http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/firmware/) on a USB stick and provide that during the installation. |
| 18:07.59 | GranoSalis | so i have to stick to the USB |
| 18:08.39 | GranoSalis | the only usb i have atm is a 256mb one |
| 18:08.41 | GranoSalis | :/ |
| 18:08.53 | babilen | GranoSalis: Ok, then you have to go the first route. |
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| 18:09.28 | GranoSalis | Thanks for the help,and have a good night? |
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| 18:10.04 | babilen | GranoSalis: Simply download the firmware, copy it to the usb stick, boot Debian and mount it. You should then be able to install it by running "dpkg -i /path/to/firmware-debian*.deb" (something like /media/name-of-your-stick/firmware ...) |
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| 18:11.14 | babilen | GranoSalis: Then continue to configure your /etc/apt/sources.list according to the advice given in "/msg dpkg make squeeze sources.list" and continue (if you want to) with the upgrade to wheezy by following http://www.debian.org/releases/wheezy/amd64/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html |
| 18:11.19 | babilen | GranoSalis: Come here if you need help with any of these steps |
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| 18:11.28 | GranoSalis | i think i got it |
| 18:12.15 | babilen | GranoSalis: I am not sure if the XFCE1 CD1 installation contains network-manager which allows you to configure wireless connections easily in the desktop environment (an applet in the task bar) -- Do you remember if you had that? |
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| 18:12.20 | GranoSalis | i'will |
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| 18:12.31 | GranoSalis | but i hope that i can stick to the wiki |
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| 18:13.08 | babilen | GranoSalis: Well, if you don't have network-manager installed you can configure your wireless temporarily by following http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/HowToUse#Command_Line |
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| 18:13.54 | babilen | GranoSalis: Sorry for the pain, but it would have been better to come here before the installation :) -- We could have suggested the best image then. Good luck, I won't be here for a little while. |
| 18:13.57 | Ristovski | ohgod, wifi via terminal is hard... |
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| 18:14.10 | babilen | Ristovski: It is really not |
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| 18:14.35 | GranoSalis | i know but i thought it would be as simple as ubuntu lol |
| 18:14.43 | GranoSalis | it is simple but not that much :D |
| 18:14.44 | Ristovski | babilen: well, okay, maybe not that hard, but rather long proceduer |
| 18:14.47 | Ristovski | procedure* |
| 18:14.58 | somiaj | Ristovski: not really, with debian's /etc/network/interfaces file all you have to do is add the essid and key to an alias (three lines) and you can get it up with dhcp |
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| 18:15.25 | somiaj | it is not log to open up a file and type in the info needed. You most likely have to type that info in a gui network manager anyways. (: |
| 18:15.33 | somiaj | s/log/long/ |
| 18:16.06 | somiaj | (only issue is you do have to know if you are using wep vs wpa) |
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| 18:31.19 | erob | eek.. feeling tired |
| 18:31.24 | erob | :] |
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| 18:44.26 | erob | IM LOOKING FOR TRUE GEEK SPIRIT |
| 18:44.58 | erob | hehe |
| 18:45.00 | ksuhku | erob, look no further http://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2010/09/the-anthropology-of-hackers/63308/ |
| 18:45.06 | themill | erob: perhaps you wanted #defocus? |
| 18:45.44 | erob | right |
| 18:45.47 | erob | :) |
| 18:46.10 | peterrooney | EROB: TURN LEFT AT THE 7-11, GO TWO BLOCKS. IT'S ON THE RIGHT. |
| 18:47.18 | erob | meh |
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| 18:49.08 | GNU\colossus | a! http://img.pr0gramm.com/2013/02/qeaptuw.jpg |
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| 18:50.13 | GNU\colossus | oh, wrong channel |
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| 18:51.00 | s3a | Is a core 2 vpro better than a core 2 duo? |
| 18:51.14 | eyedea | yes |
| 18:51.29 | s3a | eyedea, thanks |
| 18:51.34 | s3a | (a lot) |
| 18:51.55 | erob | why? |
| 18:52.02 | s3a | erob, i'm in a store lol |
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| 18:52.34 | erob | okay.. nm.. i have a core2 duo and i wish to change it someday as its getting old :) |
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| 18:52.52 | s3a | erob, my mom has a pentium 3 and wishes to watch computer tv |
| 18:53.06 | erob | cool |
| 18:53.06 | s3a | it's supposedly a core 2 vpro 3 ghz dual core i think |
| 18:53.18 | s3a | i'm planning to boot it with a usb stick |
| 18:53.21 | s3a | to check hardware |
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| 18:53.24 | s3a | how do i do that |
| 18:53.51 | eyedea | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:53.56 | erob | well u need a distro which can fit on a usb stick |
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| 18:54.18 | somiaj | s3a: Depends on what part. First you need a live image to put on the USB stick. Then you need to tell your bios to boot from said usbstick (once you put the image on it) |
| 18:54.28 | GNU\colossus | s3a, vpro is just a set of remote management capabilities for Intel-based computer systems |
| 18:54.29 | ksuhku | vpro looks pretty useless to me |
| 18:54.32 | eyedea | s3a: just put wubi on it |
| 18:54.40 | somiaj | s3a: once you are in a linux live system you then need some tools. Depending on what you want to check. 'lshw' gives you lots of info |
| 18:54.42 | s3a | i'm gonna dd ubuntu onto it |
| 18:54.42 | GNU\colossus | if you don't need that, it's not "better" than a system without that feature set |
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| 18:55.18 | somiaj | s3a: then #ubuntu is where to go with questions involving their live images. |
| 18:55.28 | abrotman | and probalby #hardware about CPU selection |
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| 19:07.09 | erob | i have stupid form validation |
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| 19:08.55 | erob | why is web developers must make it so difficult to fill a form arrg |
| 19:09.16 | jelly-home | because spammers |
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| 19:09.47 | erob | y... robots are a plague |
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| 19:10.18 | abcdefg_ | I am looking for a samba client with some kind of symlink emulation |
| 19:10.55 | erob | a little blue cheese with that? |
| 19:11.09 | erob | :) |
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| 19:12.08 | abcdefg_ | I mean, I cannot create a symlink on a samba share |
| 19:12.13 | abcdefg_ | because it is a windows system |
| 19:12.13 | nkuttler | erob: the server can and should filter out the spammers. annoying users is just stupid |
| 19:12.16 | abcdefg_ | but can it be emulated |
| 19:12.42 | erob | indeed |
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| 19:13.15 | abcdefg_ | is there a cifs driver for that |
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| 19:15.09 | Pei | how do i add debian source repositories to the source file? and what are the URI's? |
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| 19:15.29 | nkuttler | !tell Pei about sources.list |
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| 19:17.41 | Pei | didn't help me... i need to know how to add SOURCE respositories |
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| 19:17.49 | Pei | for the source code |
| 19:17.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | Pei, change deb to deb-src |
| 19:18.08 | Pei | same URI's/ |
| 19:18.09 | Pei | ? |
| 19:18.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | yes |
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| 19:18.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | everything else is the same |
| 19:18.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | (except if you use some non-official mirror that doesn't have the source packages) |
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| 19:20.06 | Pei | when i try to get a source for mpd it says: E: Could not open file /var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.debian.org_debian-security_dists_squeeze_updates_main_source_Sources - open (2: No such file or directory) |
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| 19:20.51 | Pei | :O |
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| 19:21.27 | Pei | any ideas? |
| 19:21.39 | KsM | apt-get update maybe |
| 19:22.02 | Pei | i did |
| 19:22.26 | Pei | oh |
| 19:22.27 | Pei | hrm |
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| 19:22.32 | Pei | this is weird |
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| 19:23.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | Pei read the error? :) |
| 19:23.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | nothing to do with the repo |
| 19:23.22 | Pei | i get http://pastebin.com/DrcwFHEM |
| 19:23.35 | Pei | when i do aptitude update |
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| 19:24.27 | erob | Pei: what does apt-get check return? |
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| 19:24.48 | Pei | Reading package lists... Done |
| 19:24.49 | Pei | Building dependency tree |
| 19:24.49 | Pei | Reading state information... Done |
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| 19:24.58 | Pei | that's it |
| 19:25.01 | Pei | shit |
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| 19:25.08 | erob | hm |
| 19:25.09 | Pei | god damn netsplits |
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| 19:25.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | what does your sources.list look like now? |
| 19:25.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | I find it a bit difficult to compare from the errors |
| 19:26.27 | Pei | http://pastebin.com/tyxuuX1s |
| 19:27.28 | erob | is it possible yet to login via ssh to sf.net ? |
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| 19:27.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | deb http://security.debian.org squeeze/updates main contrib non-free |
| 19:27.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | deb-src http://security.debian.org squeeze/updates main contrib non-free |
| 19:27.48 | Pei | ? |
| 19:28.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | security updates are from security.debian.org, not from ftp.debian.org |
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| 19:29.56 | Pei | thanks man |
| 19:29.58 | Pei | fixed it |
| 19:29.59 | Pei | :)' |
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| 19:30.02 | Pei | you're awesome |
| 19:30.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | \o/ |
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| 19:31.55 | isaias | hello everyone |
| 19:32.03 | isaias | wow, 1k+ debian users |
| 19:32.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | and this in the "inofficial" channel :P |
| 19:32.32 | isaias | hahaha |
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| 19:34.46 | nkuttler | CutMeOwnThroat: the other one isn't bigger, is it? |
| 19:35.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | nkuttler, :) [that's why it was a cheeky comment] |
| 19:35.16 | nkuttler | i see |
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| 19:41.46 | isaias | should I give Debian a shot? I've only been using Ubuntu for about 5 months |
| 19:42.07 | jordanm | !tell isaias about why debian |
| 19:42.08 | Towzzer | desktop or server |
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| 19:42.49 | babilen | ... both of which would be fine to use Debian on |
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| 19:44.40 | isaias | desktop |
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| 19:46.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | hmm, we don't have a "why not debian" factoid... isn't that funny? |
| 19:46.34 | isaias | lol |
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| 19:47.20 | isaias | is there a specific book I should read to hel |
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| 19:47.56 | isaias | help me learn to use the terminal effectivlyy |
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| 19:48.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | dpkg, general cli tutorial |
| 19:48.30 | dpkg | http://www.ee.surrey.ac.uk/Teaching/Unix/ or http://linuxcommand.org, http://www.gnu.org/software/coreutils/manual/html_node/, http://tldp.org/LDP/GNU-Linux-Tools-Summary/html/index.html or http://bhami.com/rosetta.html |
| 19:49.08 | babilen | dpkg: tell isaias -about debian handbook |
| 19:49.31 | babilen | isaias: That one is very good too and well worth a read |
| 19:49.33 | Towzzer | ubutnu desktop, debian server |
| 19:49.38 | Towzzer | desktops need newer drivers |
| 19:49.54 | Towzzer | better graphical hardware support and third party drivers that debian doesn't include due to political reasons |
| 19:50.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | isaias, ^^^ not a book as such, but ... probably covers pretty much all basic stuff one needs |
| 19:50.08 | pmo | babilen: has it been updated yet? |
| 19:51.49 | erob | hm |
| 19:52.36 | isaias | hehehe, I'm starting to build myself a little curriculum xD |
| 19:53.03 | peterrooney | CutMeOwnThroat: have you a reasoned explanation to not use debian? |
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| 19:53.43 | isaias | calculus, linux administration, C++ |
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| 19:53.51 | isaias | now I need an elective xD |
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| 19:54.22 | Towzzer | home economics |
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| 19:55.39 | isaias | hehehe xD |
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| 19:55.50 | erob | does github offers shell accounts? |
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| 19:56.03 | peterrooney | isaias: I recomment crochet. artistic, and functional results. |
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| 19:56.59 | isaias | smuxie crashed |
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| 20:00.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | peterrooney, sure. if you have SNS for example, debian stable is not for you :) |
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| 20:03.28 | peterrooney | I do not grok ambigiuous acronym SNS. |
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| 20:11.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | dpkg, tell peterrooney about sns |
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| 20:11.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | :D |
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| 20:13.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | and Do Not Ask, why it isn't snss. I do not know |
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| 20:23.01 | eyedea | is there any way to smoothly update from debian 2.6.32-5 (squeezy) to wheezy? |
| 20:23.16 | abrotman | yes |
| 20:23.49 | eyedea | how would I go on about it abrotman? |
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| 20:24.56 | abrotman | dpkg: tell eyedea about squeeze->wheezy |
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| 20:26.06 | eyedea | abrotman: how unstable is it? |
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| 20:27.37 | abrotman | eyedea: depends which parts you use |
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| 20:38.25 | eyedea | thanks abrotman |
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| 20:48.14 | prag_0 | Why am I banned from #debian-next? |
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| 20:49.13 | prag_0 | Is anyone else on here banned from the wheezy irc? |
| 20:49.19 | babilen | prag_0: You are most definitely not, it's just that the channel is on irc.oftc.net (aka irc.debian.org) with the rest of the Debian channels |
| 20:49.30 | babilen | (See also /topic) |
| 20:49.37 | prag_0 | Ah, thanks. |
| 20:49.56 | ksuhku | this is a question we get sooo often, can't something be done about it? |
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| 20:51.14 | babilen | ksuhku: Let me know if you have a good idea -- I can't change the fact that people don't read the /topic or don't connect to Debian's official IRC network. (/msg me to ping me in #debian-offtopic, and no, we are not going to have two channels) |
| 20:51.27 | prag_0 | Putting "on irc.oftc.net" would help, rather than just "irc.oftc.net". I must have mistyped the address, but I tried going there and got an error, so I came back here. |
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| 20:52.00 | babilen | ack, I'll do that |
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| 21:02.55 | GranoSalis | hi |
| 21:04.58 | GranoSalis | could someone maybe help me with a wireless problem? |
| 21:05.22 | jhutchins_wk | notes that the topic for #debian-next on freenode.net does point to the correct network and is visible even though you are kicked. |
| 21:05.37 | jhutchins_wk | Maybe some clients auto-close the window on kick? |
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| 21:05.59 | madmoses | hi, is it possible to lower the signal strength of my bluetooth device? |
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| 21:07.17 | eyedea | abrotman: E: Could not perform immediate configuration on 'default-jre'. Please see man 5 apt.conf under APT::Immediate-Configure for details. (2) |
| 21:07.24 | eyedea | why is thath appening when updating to wheezy? |
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| 21:10.15 | GranoSalis | does someone know how can i turn on my wireless card in the terminal? |
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| 21:11.34 | mullein | GranoSalis: if it's already set up in NetworkMonitor, which i think is used by gnome, you can use nmcli to control it from command line |
| 21:11.35 | rexwin_ | hi when i run cat /etc/issue it says debian unstable. how do i move it to a stable version? |
| 21:12.13 | GranoSalis | sorry but im new to debian |
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| 21:12.43 | babilen | GranoSalis: Welcome back - I take it that means that you /don't/ have network-manager? (check with, for example, "apt-cache policy network-manager-gnome" or "dpkg -l network-manager-gnome") -- Did you manage to install the firmware? |
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| 21:12.49 | verve | is there a way to install znc 1.0 with a debian package? they don't seem to have a repo |
| 21:12.50 | GranoSalis | so i dont realy know what the networkmonitor is |
| 21:12.52 | GranoSalis | lol |
| 21:12.55 | verve | i added experimental to my sources and tried that |
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| 21:13.00 | verve | but it keeps complaining about broken deps |
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| 21:13.08 | GranoSalis | babilen: oh hey |
| 21:13.09 | verve | i tried installing the deps manually, and it didn't work |
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| 21:13.19 | mullein | heh, i meant networkmanager, as babilen correctly called it |
| 21:13.20 | GranoSalis | when i tipe iwlist scan |
| 21:13.30 | GranoSalis | it shows that i have a wireless adaptor |
| 21:13.32 | GranoSalis | wlan0 |
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| 21:14.06 | babilen | GranoSalis: network-manager is /one/ of the ways to configure network connections in Debian. It has a little applet on which you can click that lists networks around you (cf. http://projects.gnome.org/NetworkManager/images/wireless-at-floyds.png) |
| 21:14.09 | GranoSalis | and when i use: iwlist wlan0 power |
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| 21:14.14 | GranoSalis | it shows that its off |
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| 21:14.57 | GranoSalis | oh |
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| 21:15.03 | babilen | GranoSalis: You can, however, configure your network by following http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/HowToUse#Command_Line -- Did you install the firmware and does "iwlist wlan0 scan" list networks? |
| 21:15.26 | GranoSalis | scan does not work |
| 21:15.36 | GranoSalis | because the card is off |
| 21:15.43 | verve | anyone? |
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| 21:16.06 | outlaw84 | So I dist-upgraded my system(amd64) to latest testing, and all the old ai32 libs are broken and gone, so I can't build wine anymore for my gaming, when in apt or on http://packages.debian.org I keep finding recommendations about using multiarch |
| 21:16.30 | outlaw84 | how do I do that? is there some good website with information about that? |
| 21:16.40 | Ristovski | outlaw84: I did that too |
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| 21:16.44 | Ristovski | use multiarch |
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| 21:16.51 | Ristovski | and I installed wine like 15 mins ago |
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| 21:16.57 | Ristovski | it used the i386 packages |
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| 21:17.17 | babilen | GranoSalis: You might have to run "ifconfig wlan0 up" before you can run "iwlist wlan0 scan" (bring the interface up before you can use it) -- Did you install the firmware? |
| 21:17.43 | babilen | dpkg: tell outlaw84 -about multiarch |
| 21:17.46 | babilen | dpkg: tell outlaw84 -about wine |
| 21:17.57 | GranoSalis | i already did that but it still doesn't work |
| 21:18.04 | babilen | outlaw84: In particular: Read the HOWTO for multiarch |
| 21:18.17 | GranoSalis | and my usb is broken,so no firmware |
| 21:18.37 | babilen | GranoSalis: Well, your device will not work without firmware. |
| 21:18.48 | outlaw84 | GranoSalis: http://wiki.debian.org/Multiarch/HOWTO <--- this one? |
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| 21:19.07 | babilen | GranoSalis: I would recommend to get CD blanks and install wheezy and to provide firmware during the installation or use the netinst with firmware (as detailed earlier) |
| 21:19.18 | babilen | outlaw84: I mentioned that, and yes |
| 21:19.41 | GranoSalis | so debian has no drivers in it? |
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| 21:20.33 | rexwin_ | hi when i run cat /etc/issue it says debian unstable. how do i move it to a stable version? |
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| 21:24.51 | babilen | rexwin_: you install a stable version (downgrades are /not/ supported) |
| 21:25.04 | eyedea | E: Could not perform immediate configuration on 'default-jre'. Please see man 5 apt.conf under APT::Immediate-Configure for details. (2) |
| 21:25.06 | eyedea | why is thath appening when updating to wheezy? |
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| 21:26.03 | babilen | rexwin_: One thing you could do is to pin wheezy (current testing) to a priority >= 1001 and run "apt-get dist-upgrade" (and hope that everything you have installed from sid that is older in wheezy downgrades cleanly) -- Then only use wheezy which will become "stable" soon (2-? months) |
| 21:26.09 | rexwin_ | babilen, what is link to get squeeze iso |
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| 21:26.15 | babilen | dpkg: tell eyedea -about immediate configuration |
| 21:26.39 | babilen | eyedea: You found one of the bugs that prevent us from releasing wheezy! congratulations. |
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| 21:27.23 | babilen | rexwin_: http://www.debian.org/CD/http-ftp/ (or netinst with firmware from http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/) |
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| 21:29.38 | rexwin_ | babilen, link has several iso like debian-6.0.6-amd64-CD-1"XXXX-XXXX."iso . which one to select |
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| 21:30.06 | babilen | rexwin_: Do you have a working internet connection during the install? (what kind of?) |
| 21:30.21 | rexwin_ | yes. it is a broadband |
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| 21:30.28 | babilen | rexwin_: wired? |
| 21:30.36 | rexwin_ | yes, wired. |
| 21:30.44 | babilen | rexwin_: Then just use the netinst image with firmware |
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| 21:31.15 | babilen | rexwin_: That will download everything you need from the internet during the installation |
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| 21:31.33 | rexwin_ | okay , i copy debian-6.0.6-amd64-netinst.iso to CD and then run the CD and debian squeeze will be automatically installed, right? |
| 21:31.48 | babilen | rexwin_: What do you plan to use that computer for? You might want to consider installing wheezy (currently frozen testing) if this is for your personal use. |
| 21:31.54 | babilen | rexwin_: yeah, that's the idea |
| 21:32.08 | babilen | Well, not automatically. You still have to make choices :) |
| 21:32.27 | rexwin_ | i am using my system currently hosting web deveopment files. |
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| 21:32.49 | babilen | rexwin_: But get the image from http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/amd64/iso-cd/ not the one /without/ firmware |
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| 21:34.03 | babilen | rexwin_: Well, pick whatever you prefer. I would use wheezy for systems that are not absolutely mission critical right now (using the netinst from http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/wheezy_di_beta4/amd64/iso-cd/) |
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| 21:35.09 | babilen | rexwin_: I'll be back later, have fun! |
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| 21:40.58 | sudoman | are there any generic kernels for armhf? it looks like there are only two specific kinds: http://packages.debian.org/search?suite=all&arch=armhf&keywords=linux-image . but there is also another one that wasn't in that list: http://packages.debian.org/sid/linux-image-vexpress |
| 21:41.33 | sudoman | i ask, since i'm thinking of getting either: http://wiki.debian.org/InstallingDebianOn/Samsung/ARMChromebook or http://liliputing.com/2012/11/mele-a1000g-a2000g-android-set-top-boxes-now-with-more-ram-storage.html |
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| 21:58.26 | irep | I need help installing Debian. I have to use a flash drive to add drivers for my wifi card, and I have the .deb file on the flash drive, but it won't read it. It gives me a message about incorrect kernel modules. |
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| 22:00.23 | irep | I can get to the "execute shell" option, but I can't see any of the directories. I can get to /media, but I can't get to /media/JT1, which is where my flash drive should be. |
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| 22:01.42 | irep | Does anyone know if there's an alternative to "dir" for ash? |
| 22:02.31 | irep | Can anyone help? |
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| 22:02.45 | sudoman | irep: how about mounting the drive with 'mount' ? |
| 22:03.07 | sudoman | like 'sudo mount /dev/sdb1 /mnt' |
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| 22:03.31 | sudoman | check 'dmesg | tail -20' to see if the kernel mentions 'sdb' when you plug it in |
| 22:03.47 | sudoman | if it's sdc, use /dev/sdcX, where X is the partition number |
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| 22:04.13 | sudoman | why not paste or type the whole message about the kernel driver issues? |
| 22:04.31 | irep | Yes, it does. Wait, I have to have an ext2/3/4 filesystem on the flash drive, don't I+ |
| 22:04.41 | irep | *I+ |
| 22:04.52 | irep | crap, *I? |
| 22:04.57 | eyedea | sudoman: |
| 22:05.01 | sudoman | ? what is *I |
| 22:05.04 | irep | I can post the message if I need to. |
| 22:05.14 | irep | *Correcting the message, sorry. |
| 22:05.18 | sudoman | oh ok |
| 22:05.29 | eyedea | I changed my sources.list to wheezy sources, I did dist-upgrade and it installed everything, do I have to restart for wheezy? |
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| 22:05.41 | irep | Do I have to format my flash drive? |
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| 22:06.09 | sudoman | eyedea: there could be some steps after the dist-upgrade, i don't remember. or maybe it was ideal to do them before. i'll look it up |
| 22:06.34 | anoob | is it possible to have gnome 3 with sound and no pulseaudio? |
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| 22:07.19 | sudoman | eyedea: this is the full instructions, for amd64. if you have a different arch, you could change the url: http://www.debian.org/releases/wheezy/amd64/release-notes/ch-upgrading |
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| 22:07.43 | sudoman | irep: if you put the file on the flash drive, it should be formatted, unless you used 'dd'. ;-) |
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| 22:08.27 | eyedea | sudoman: is it possible to reverse the update? |
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| 22:08.34 | sudoman | irep: well if it's formatted with a patented windows format, that would be an issue. vfat works. |
| 22:08.44 | sudoman | eyedea: hm... i don't think that would be reasonable. |
| 22:09.19 | irep | sudoman: I can't copy and paste the message, so suffice it to say that it prints a lot of lines that say that UTF8 is a bad IO charset for the FAT filesystem and it will be case sensitive. It's formatted as FAT. Will exFAT work? |
| 22:09.28 | sudoman | eyedea: i think people have gotten away with dist-upgrade. but i don't know if there are some manual steps that you need to do. i think that guide tries to do it in a gradual, and safest way. |
| 22:09.29 | eyedea | when I do apt-get upgrade I get |
| 22:09.29 | eyedea | 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 870 not upgraded. |
| 22:09.33 | eyedea | whys that? |
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| 22:10.22 | eyedea | never mind |
| 22:10.34 | sudoman | irep: no exfat will not work. if you have mkfs.vfat, then you can use that to format a partition. |
| 22:11.13 | sudoman | irep: ^ that's a program you can use from the cli. |
| 22:12.21 | sudoman | eyedea: i would recommend that you check to see that everything is all set before rebooting. it could be ok as is, but you might want to check stuff. obviously, don't just blindly repeat the steps from the beginning of that guide. try to make sure that stuff is all set. |
| 22:12.38 | irep | sudoman: I'm formatting the flash drive on Windows, and mkfs.vfat isn't available in the installation period on VirtualBox (testing on VB so I can run it smoothly on my PC once I install on my PC) |
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| 22:13.38 | drasko | hi, when I connected the charger, my PC wen to screen dim mode (inverted of normal behaviour) |
| 22:13.41 | tharkun | What is the default wm for wheezy? |
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| 22:13.52 | drasko | where can I toggle dim ? |
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| 22:14.12 | sudoman | irep: it's a command in gnu/linux, i.e. debian |
| 22:14.17 | tharkun | drasko: man xset |
| 22:14.34 | sudoman | but fat32 should work, from the windows end of things. (they should be essentially the same) |
| 22:15.27 | jacksmithz | does a non-expert debian install use NTP? |
| 22:15.31 | irep | sudoman: But would debian be able to read from a fat32 filesystem? And I'm working from ash, with very few commands available as the system hasn't been installed yet. |
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| 22:15.43 | tharkun | irep: apt-file search mkfs.vfat |
| 22:15.51 | drasko | tharkun, no information how to toggle dim mode here |
| 22:16.00 | sudoman | irep: fat32 should work in debian. debian calls it vfat. |
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| 22:16.25 | irep | sudoman: /bin/sh: apt-file: not found |
| 22:16.38 | sudoman | irep: that was tharkun. i don't know that command |
| 22:16.48 | ElGrotto | apt-cache search? |
| 22:16.48 | irep | ah my bad |
| 22:16.51 | sudoman | maybe they meant apt-cache search ... |
| 22:17.06 | tharkun | irep: that will give you the appropiate package you need to install for that program which happen to be dosfstools |
| 22:17.31 | irep | apt-get isn't installed yet. I'm doing this in the expert install "execute a shell command" option. |
| 22:18.05 | sudoman | irep: is dpkg installed? |
| 22:18.08 | ElGrotto | ah you might find it in /target/sbin/mkfs.vfat? |
| 22:19.02 | sudoman | ElGrotto: the mkfs.vfat is needed to format the partition to put on the wifi drivers .deb, to enable wireless, to download the packages that get installed. so no? :) |
| 22:19.12 | ElGrotto | good point lol |
| 22:19.19 | sudoman | i don't think they're there yet |
| 22:19.30 | drasko | where to toggle screen dim ? |
| 22:19.31 | ElGrotto | sorry I'm half asleep tonight :S |
| 22:19.39 | sudoman | it's cool :) |
| 22:19.46 | irep | For some reason, I can't cd into /target anymore. I'll restart the installation. |
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| 22:20.03 | ElGrotto | uh irep that was my bad |
| 22:20.22 | ElGrotto | ./target won't exist if youv'e not formatted |
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| 22:20.27 | sudoman | irep: you won't be able to test the working of the wifi firmware if virtualbox isn't emulating your wifi card |
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| 22:20.58 | irep | sudoman: I just need it to load the drivers. It should load them even if the card's not there, right? |
| 22:21.32 | tharkun | drasko: Take a look at optin P on your system for xset |
| 22:21.32 | sudoman | ElGrotto: do you know if the debian installation media has a base install of some .deb's, then you reboot into a minimal system and install? or does everything get downloaded on the fly? |
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| 22:22.01 | ElGrotto | no sorry the only time I'm there is when something's gone wrong :) |
| 22:22.53 | sudoman | irep: i don't think so. i believe that the kernel only will load the hardware it detects, which will be virtualbox's emulated hardware. it probably emulates some simple ethernet card, not your specific physical wifi card |
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| 22:23.31 | sudoman | in the real install, you'll be using the physical wifi card, unless you can grab ethernet for the install. |
| 22:23.39 | ElGrotto | virtualbox doesn't emulate wifi at all, you need a usb wifi dongle to get wifi in virtualbox.. |
| 22:23.50 | drasko | tharkun, there is no option 'P', only 'p'. An it is for pixel color. I think it is just a flag that says "idle" or "active" in some gnome power management that I am looking for |
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| 22:24.02 | irep | sudoman: I've got it set not to emulate anything, since it detected the card when I set it to bridge adapter. I just thought it would load the software at least. |
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| 22:24.48 | ElGrotto | it's ok to test that the right module loads tho, you can insmod it in even if the hardware isn't there, as a good test that it will later work :) |
| 22:24.59 | sudoman | i remember doing what you did in the past. i don't remember the exact steps that i used, but i had to copy multiple .deb files over. and then i would see, 'oh, i'm missing another dependency for that .deb, i guess i need to download and copy over another one.' having a working net connection makes things much easier. if not, you'll need to know the packages in advance, or to have access to another computer |
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| 22:26.31 | ElGrotto | atheros drivers used to need a whole bunch of downloading debs and copying them across.. |
| 22:26.37 | ElGrotto | don't think it does nowadays; they're in the kernel now iirc |
| 22:26.46 | tharkun | drasko: There use to be a parameter that specified what Black value would be an what White value would be. Playing with those used to invert the colors. Sorry too long since I lat played with them |
| 22:26.53 | irep | Theoretically, I can install without networking capabilities, and then connect the flash drive (which, come to think of it, Debian can read with a fat filesystem) and install the .deb firmware file, but I'd rather use a mirror during installation. |
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| 22:27.15 | sudoman | irep: you could try installing the .deb with 'dpkg -i filename.deb' and see if it complains about missing dependencies, then grab those, and recurse down the tree of dependencies. there should only be a few you need, including wireless-tools, or something |
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| 22:28.06 | sudoman | irep: ^ i mean you can try installing the .deb, when doing the virtualbox install, and see what else you need. |
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| 22:28.30 | irep | sudoman: On a Debian system that I installed without networking (still in VB, so no idea if it would really work or not) it installed fine without needing any dependencies. But dpkg gets installed later on. |
| 22:29.00 | irep | So I can't use dpkg in the ash terminal |
| 22:29.44 | sudoman | irep: you disabled networking in VB and it installed? that makes sense. but you'd need networking in the installed system to automatically install dependencies |
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| 22:30.09 | sudoman | irep: i think that that stage offers only limited commands, for mounting and copying, etc. |
| 22:30.40 | sudoman | dpkg gets installed later |
| 22:30.40 | dpkg | sudoman: are you using Windows? |
| 22:30.46 | sudoman | dpkg: no |
| 22:30.47 | dpkg | No Offense, or den norske debian kanalen #debian-no. For skandinaviske brukere av debian. It is the norwegian channel #debian-no for scandinavian users. |
| 22:30.52 | irep | sudoman: You're right. But the firmware .deb has no dependencies (actually, it might, but they all get installed with the base system), so I can install it. |
| 22:30.57 | jhutchins_wk | sudoman: Depends on which install image you use. |
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| 22:31.13 | tharkun | irep: Hmm, make your life simple. do a simple install, then connect your usb with the apropiate firmware or whatever you have and install it on a fully functional system. |
| 22:31.32 | sudoman | irep: ^ jhutchins_wk |
| 22:31.32 | tharkun | To plug your usb drive to your vm check your VM man page |
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| 22:31.49 | drasko | anyone knows how to toggle screen dim in the system ? |
| 22:32.02 | sudoman | irep: i think the stuff that needed the dependencies was the package that came with iwlist, iwconfig, etc. |
| 22:32.23 | drasko | connecting to charger turns on the dim, when it should be the other way around |
| 22:32.27 | irep | tharkun: I can do that, but then I miss out on the files that get downloaded with the mirror, unless apt-get update && apt-get upgrade installs them |
| 22:33.08 | tharkun | irep: aptitude has a log of what packages are installed on your system. you Can take a look there to see what was installed. |
| 22:33.27 | sudoman | irep: you'll also need http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/wireless-tools . that's the squeeze version. |
| 22:33.28 | tharkun | Also install a bare minimal system. So you can add everything on top of it |
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| 22:34.36 | jacksmithz | does a non-expert debian installation use NTP for the clock by default? (or are you only able to get the options when using the expert install)? |
| 22:35.10 | irep | sudoman: is that available anywhere as a .deb package? I know dpkg works, but unless you use a mirror during installation, I don't think "make" gets installed. |
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| 22:35.40 | sudoman | irep: are you doing wheezy or squeeze? |
| 22:35.46 | irep | wheezy |
| 22:36.14 | sudoman | there are links for each architecture at the bottom: http://packages.debian.org/wheezy/wireless-tools |
| 22:36.47 | anddam | my debian host rebooted, is there a way I can check why? It's an hosted VPS so an hardware issue is unlikely, 'last reboot' shows 'reboot system boot 2.6.18-pony6-3 Tue Feb 12 21:58 - 23:36 (01:37)' |
| 22:36.49 | sudoman | irep: you'll need some of the non-automatically installed dependencies, those aside from libc6, etc. |
| 22:37.33 | sudoman | irep: i don't know if there is a way to do anything but a bare-minimal install like tharkun suggests. |
| 22:37.37 | anddam | in last(1) I read reboot is a pseudo user that logs in when the system is rebooting, so I assume a reboot command has actually been given |
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| 22:38.19 | sudoman | irep: you can take a look for clues here: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual |
| 22:38.53 | irep | sudoman: Would installing without networking (not minimal) and then adding the firmware and wireless-tools packages allow me to use apt-get from there on out? |
| 22:39.07 | jhutchins_wk | sudoman: I think debbootstrap is about the most minimal automatic install. Netinst without network would be next, followed by Minimal iso. |
| 22:39.32 | jhutchins_wk | sudoman: All should be able to install additional packages given access to a source. |
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| 22:40.13 | tharkun | irep: What is exactly your use case? |
| 22:40.13 | sudoman | irep: basically. but i got terminology wrong. you'll need the .debs that the wireless-tools .deb file depends on. |
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| 22:40.34 | irep | tharkun: what do you mean? |
| 22:41.03 | tharkun | irep: What do you want this kind of control on the system of what is beeing installed and what not. For what purpose? |
| 22:41.21 | tharkun | What benefit you have from a symple install? |
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| 22:41.32 | tharkun | s/y/i/ |
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| 22:42.14 | sudoman | tharkun: i guess they only have access to wifi, and need proprietary firmware not on the install medium |
| 22:42.26 | irep | tharkun: I'm not sure, I guess it lets me have more control over what's installed and what's not. But the issue would still occur if I did a simple install, because the realtek drivers aren't on the CD. |
| 22:42.34 | jhutchins_wk | !firmware |
| 22:42.34 | dpkg | Firmware is software to operate electronic devices, usually contained in EPROM or flash memory. Some Linux kernel drivers require firmware to be provided from userspace, notably for <WiFi> devices. Most firmware files are not part of a Debian release as they do not conform to the <DFSG>; some are available via <contrib> and <non-free> packages, ask me about <search>. See also <installer firmware>. http://wiki.debian.org/Firmware |
| 22:43.07 | sudoman | !installer firmware |
| 22:43.07 | dpkg | Debian-Installer is able to load additional <firmware>, by including it within installation media or supplying on removable media (e.g. USB stick, floppy). See http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch06s04 . To include firmware within Debian <netboot> images, see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/NetbootFirmware . See also <firmware images>. |
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| 22:43.35 | tharkun | See, stating your real problem gives a factoid allready on the bot ;P |
| 22:43.42 | sudoman | will the installer be able to connect to wireless networks? |
| 22:44.04 | marsje_ | Hi. I just installed ubuntu 12.04 on a ssd with brfs. Since this gave me an error "no sparse file allowed" at boot, I decided to put /boot in a new ext4 partition. So I moved around the partitions to make space for the new /boot. Then mounted it, copied over the files, added new partition to fstab, ran update-grub. Then reboot..... then grub-rescue prompt. Where did I go wrong? |
| 22:44.30 | irep | Unless I can get around the kernel modules issue, the installer won't be able to connect to the internet. |
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| 22:44.37 | tharkun | marsje_: wrong channel #ubuntu is your place |
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| 22:45.27 | sudoman | i've got to go. good luck irep |
| 22:45.27 | marsje_ | tharkun: imagine it was debian :) |
| 22:45.28 | irep | Ok, thanks. |
| 22:45.28 | phogg | my imagination isn't that good |
| 22:46.01 | tharkun | marsje_: Can't, the level of detail needed to debug the isue is distro dependent. And ubuntu does have differences with debian. |
| 22:46.29 | marsje_ | tharkun: didn't know there were any differences... |
| 22:47.01 | irep | marsje_: there are reasons why Debian and Ubuntu are different distros. This would probably be one of them. |
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| 22:48.39 | marsje_ | irep: just for my information, can you tell me what areas the differences are? I use both debian and ubuntu and I'm curious. |
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| 22:49.06 | tharkun | marsje_: I would use the original ubuntu install disk as a rescue disk and see the differences on the kernel modules needed and what is indeed installed. I would mount the hdd on the filesystem and chroot into it rebuilding the initrd so the real kernel can boot accordingly |
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| 22:49.28 | tharkun | marsje_: But then that is only an hipotetical view since this is not an #ubuntu support channel |
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| 22:50.44 | marsje_ | tharkun: in general, how does grub know where to find /boot (on what partition)? because I think this is what the problem is... |
| 22:50.58 | jhutchins_wk | hypothetical - derived from hypothesis |
| 22:51.46 | jhutchins_wk | marsje_: There is a very nice #ubuntu channel where the answers actually apply to how ubuntu actually works. |
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| 22:52.13 | marsje_ | jhutchins_wk: my last question is about debian |
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| 22:52.39 | marsje_ | jhutchins_wk: I have a debian system as well, and I don't want to screw it up like I did with the ubuntu system |
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| 22:56.47 | jhutchins_wk | ,versions irssi |
| 22:56.48 | judd | Package: irssi on i386 -- lenny: 0.8.12-7; lenny-backports: 0.8.15-1~bpo50+1; squeeze: 0.8.15-2; squeeze-backports: 0.8.15-4~bpo60+1; sid: 0.8.15-5; wheezy: 0.8.15-5 |
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| 22:58.35 | TuxFighter | Hi, I am installing wheezy on my T60 (IBM) but it seems that the installer only want to use my wlan, but not my lan adapter which seems to be running in kernel |
| 22:58.51 | TuxFighter | Is there any way to for netinst installer to use the land |
| 23:00.25 | marsje_ | jhutchins_wk: $ cat /etc/issue |
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| 23:00.29 | marsje_ | Debian GNU/Linux 6.0 \n \l |
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| 23:03.54 | marsje_ | is just going to start over from scratch.. *grrr* |
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| 23:09.01 | dondelelcaro | TuxFighter: the installer will use whatever has networking |
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| 23:16.50 | eyedea | I just installed Debian Wheezy, is it possible to put program shortcuts in the taskbar like squeezy? |
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| 23:19.20 | tapout | on my debian, /etc/syslog.conf doesn't exist, is debian using something else by default? |
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| 23:20.30 | eyedea | How do I check which DE I have? |
| 23:21.08 | tharkun | !tell tapout -about rsyslog |
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| 23:21.42 | tapout | thank you tharkun |
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| 23:24.34 | tharkun | np |
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| 23:27.29 | aso824 | Hi, anybody want help me config a isc-dhcp-server for PXE booting? I don't know what is wrong but I can't start server... (error with interfaces) |
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| 23:31.23 | aso824 | How I can configure my eth0 interface (it's don't have any lines in /etc/network/interfaces) for dhcp server? |
| 23:31.29 | tharkun | aso824: tail -n 100 /var/log/syslog and you can find what is going on |
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| 23:32.00 | aso824 | tharkun: No subnet declaration for eth0 (no IPv4 addresses) |
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| 23:32.19 | tharkun | Hmm, Isn't it obvious the solution to you? |
| 23:32.55 | aso824 | No, I can't configure this interface, I do not know quite how to do it |
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| 23:33.40 | aso824 | As I speak, eth0 don't have any lines in /etc/network/interfaces (im using wlan0 to network and I want boot with PXE local computer connected on ethernet) |
| 23:34.11 | Towzzer | check your syntax carefully, it's a big thing with that configuration file |
| 23:34.14 | Towzzer | like { } and ; |
| 23:34.17 | tachikoma1010101 | it gots non havent noes lines |
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| 23:35.08 | aso824 | Towzzer: I know (I made this mistake previously :P) but now config is copy from tutorial about PXE |
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| 23:35.23 | aso824 | * copy, but modified of course |
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| 23:36.01 | tharkun | aso824: hmm, you can reinstall your dhcpd server andd get rid of the junk you added to it. Then stsart all over. |
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| 23:36.12 | tharkun | Configuring dhcpd is not such a big hassle |
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| 23:36.46 | Towzzer | sometimes when I copy from the web I get fancy utf8 quotes |
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| 23:37.08 | aso824 | tharkun: I do this minute ago |
| 23:37.21 | ElGrotto | is there a "just work damnit" flag you need to give g++/ld on the new multiarch debian? to avoid all the "relocation R_X86_64_32..." errors? Upgraded my debian to 64-bit wheezy and now this happens on code that worked/works elsewhere :-S |
| 23:37.35 | aso824 | Towzzer: I manually rewriting config from web to my file |
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| 23:38.57 | tharkun | refuses to spoon feed with dhcpd server. |
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| 23:40.09 | Towzzer | aso there might be more info in syslog |
| 23:41.32 | aso824 | Towzzer: I know what is my problem, but I can't solve this... I don't have eth0 in /etc/network/interfaces and I dont know what I can configure this; i writted eth0 to /etc/default/isc-dhcp-server but I receive same error as before in syslog |
| 23:43.07 | tharkun | aso824: leave the INTERFACES alone, let dhcpd bind to whatever it feels it needs to. |
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| 23:43.38 | Towzzer | I'm looking at my config and I don't see any reference to any interfaces |
| 23:43.43 | tharkun | aso824: pastebin /etc/default/isc-dhcp-server /etc/dhcp/dhcpd.conf and ip addr list |
| 23:44.06 | tharkun | also netstat -pantu |
| 23:44.12 | aso824 | tharkun: so, it didn't work. Clear instalation (after --purge uninstall) - same errors; ok, wait a moment... |
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| 23:44.37 | tharkun | aso824: Also paste the relevant part of the logs that states your problem |
| 23:45.58 | Towzzer | check the syslog I think it will show configuration errors |
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| 23:49.31 | aso824 | tharkun: http://pastebin.com/AjbqDiAP |
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| 23:50.04 | aso824 | tharkun: as You can see, it's default installation (I removed all previously config entry's) |
| 23:51.28 | anddam | any info about determining the cause of a reboot is welcome, this is the log I checked and I cannot see any reason for the reboot https://gist.github.com/anddam/4774650 |
| 23:52.34 | Towzzer | uncomment a subnet range |
| 23:52.57 | Towzzer | your file doesn't have any information about what ips to assign |
| 23:53.25 | aso824 | Towzzer: I know, It's default config (I removed all my 'inventions'...) |
| 23:53.38 | Towzzer | yes |
| 23:53.40 | Towzzer | default config, doesn't work |
| 23:53.44 | tharkun | aso824: define a subnet according to that file. Then all those messages will disappear. The server is actually telling you that it doesn't know what to do since it doesn't have a pool of adresses to give |
| 23:53.44 | Towzzer | doesn't do anything |
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| 23:54.58 | aso824 | tharkun: ah, now I'm understand; what lines must have the most simple config for boot PXE all computers on lan? |
| 23:55.15 | barfod | FAI |
| 23:55.42 | barfod | use FAI for that crap. Fully Automatic Installation. it handles all sort of PXE stuff |
| 23:56.15 | tharkun | aso824: PXE booting is a bit more complicated than dhcp firt understand each part of the system then start setting up each daemon independently. And test them |
| 23:56.15 | Towzzer | i think you need next-server |
| 23:56.45 | ElGrotto | there's lots of info about pxe here: https://xkyle.com/setting-up-your-very-own-pxe-server/ |
| 23:57.05 | tharkun | !tell aso824 -about PXE |
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| 23:58.37 | aso824 | ElGrotto: I will try https://wiki.xkyle.com/Building_A_PXE_Server |
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