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| 00:01.25 | KristisB | hello, can I somehow use Login Screen themes from http://art.gnome.org/themes/gdm_greeter on Debian Squeeze? |
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| 00:03.12 | aso824 | KristinB: uninstall gdm3 and install gdm |
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| 00:16.22 | KristisB | is the only way? just to switch to GDM? |
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| 00:24.17 | barxool | Does anyone knows how to drop all outgoing traffic that is not encrypted in IPsec ? I use ESP in transport mode and packets in OUTPUT chain are seen twice: first time in plaintext, second time in ESP. So how can i allow only ESP in OUTPUT chain ? thx |
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| 00:26.57 | barxool | To make my point clear, if i drop all traffic except ESP (and what is needed to negociate SAs), then no traffic reaches IPsec encryption because it is dropped the first time it goes through output, as plaintext |
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| 00:31.41 | KristisB | what desktop-shell does Debian Squeeze use by default? |
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| 00:33.03 | Towzzer | gnome 2 |
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| 00:34.56 | KristisB | Towzzer - isn't Gnome 2 desktop environment? |
| 00:35.34 | Towzzer | what's a desktop shell |
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| 00:36.03 | KristisB | Towzzer - Ubuntu's DE is Gnome, Unity - a desktop shell. |
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| 00:36.51 | barfod | thats a DE not a shell, most linuxes use /bin/bash as thier main user shell |
| 00:37.24 | barfod | and /bin/sh or /bin/dash or perhaps /bin/busybox ash |
| 00:38.04 | KristisB | Operating system shells generally fall into one of two categories: command-line and graphical. Command-line shells provide a command-line interface (CLI) to the operating system, while graphical shells like the Windows Shell[1][2][3] provide a graphical user interface (GUI). |
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| 00:38.33 | barfod | KristisB: just stop |
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| 00:39.14 | barfod | everything in xorg is symlinked to utilities, it and Gnome and Unity are not "shells" |
| 00:39.50 | KristisB | okay, so what is Unity? |
| 00:39.59 | barfod | its a crappy DE |
| 00:40.15 | barfod | and I mean really bad. |
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| 00:41.38 | KristisB | Barfod - so can I go to wikipedia and edit the first sentence "Unity is a shell interface for the GNOME desktop environment developed by Canonical Ltd for its Ubuntu operating system"? |
| 00:42.05 | barfod | I dont think someone with your knowledge level should be editing wikipedia |
| 00:42.30 | barfod | or it will continue to lead to misunderstandings like the one you have had today |
| 00:42.48 | KristisB | barfod, but the sentence is misleading, right? |
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| 00:43.16 | barfod | well they are sort of referring to the windows GUI as a shell, I do not know if that is true |
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| 00:43.33 | barfod | and yeah, it is an unessecary and potentially misleading piece of information |
| 00:43.59 | barfod | perhaps note that it needs a citation |
| 00:44.39 | tachikoma1010101 | This shows the problem with wikipedia, I wouldnt recommend using wiki as the sole source. Look at the sources used for the page. |
| 00:45.42 | KristisB | https://live.gnome.org/GnomeShell |
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| 00:47.12 | eyedea | I have to extract a zip file, it's in the Downloads folder but I need to extract it into the themes folder, how can I do this through terminal? |
| 00:47.37 | eyedea | I have to extract a zip file, it's in the Downloads folder but I need to extract it into the themes folder, how can I do this through terminal? |
| 00:47.38 | barfod | Gnome is a huge project. dont let their nomenclature overwhelm your concept of computer sceince. thier knowledge is hardly end all |
| 00:47.43 | Towzzer | go to the themes folder and type unzip /location/of/file |
| 00:47.57 | eyedea | thanks Towzzer! |
| 00:48.40 | Towzzer | unzip also might have a flag to change directories |
| 00:48.42 | Towzzer | not sure |
| 00:48.49 | Towzzer | tar has one "-C" |
| 00:48.54 | KristisB | barfod, are you trying to say that I not only shouldn't trust wikipedia, but the official gnome.org website resources? |
| 00:49.11 | barfod | KristisB: thats why we are here |
| 00:49.24 | barfod | there is hardly a more knowledgable group in the world |
| 00:49.35 | Towzzer | kristis, why are you getting upset |
| 00:49.50 | Towzzer | let's all be happy, |
| 00:49.50 | eyedea | Towzzer: can you hilight me? I'm testing something out |
| 00:49.55 | Towzzer | eyedea |
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| 00:50.11 | tachikoma1010101 | KristisB: you simply have to understand anyone can edit wikipedia, eventually we all need to check the sources or things will always be wrong |
| 00:50.21 | dondelelcaro | folks, whether we should or shouldn't trust wikipedia or gnome.org isn't on topic here. |
| 00:50.22 | eyedea | thanks Towzzer |
| 00:50.42 | Towzzer | <PROTECTED> |
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| 00:51.56 | KristisB | Towzzer, because since I tried using Ubuntu, and I've been confused with all those terms, they kind of tried to explain me things like "compiz = eyecandy, lightdm = DM, Gnome = DE, Unity = shell of de", or "dm is the login selector, de is the entire "desktop applications set", unity is a "theme" for gnome basically - that happens to use compiz" |
| 00:52.22 | Towzzer | I know |
| 00:52.33 | barfod | yes we all know that this is ubuntus fault. and not yours. seriously, i made the same mistake as you are saying at one point |
| 00:52.45 | barfod | its was... embarrassing. because the infos are construed |
| 00:53.41 | barfod | the ubuntu docs call nbusybox a shell, when it is not. it contains a shell. but is more than that |
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| 00:53.57 | KristisB | And that's why I swithced to Debian, it seems to be clearer. |
| 00:54.05 | barfod | yeah, good choice |
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| 00:55.42 | KristisB | Barfod, I even tried Cinnamon, and I believed that I still used GNOME with a different graphical shell, or interface, but still Gnome Desktop Environment. |
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| 00:59.30 | KristisB | barfod, so since I tried out Unity and Cinnamon on Ubuntu, so i'm wondering what is that that I'm using now on Debian Squeeze. |
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| 01:00.29 | barfod | KristisB: echo $SHELL |
| 01:00.39 | barfod | thats the shell you are using |
| 01:01.23 | KristisB | barfod, yea, it's bash. |
| 01:01.29 | barfod | then: cat /etc/passwd and you can see the shells of all the devices on your system |
| 01:02.38 | KristisB | barfod, even http://wiki.debian.org/Shell explains it like this: "A shell is a piece of software that provides an interface for users. Nowadays the term shell is mostly used for command-line interface (CLI) shells (People tend to use the term Desktop_environment rather than graphical shell)." |
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| 01:03.27 | tachikoma1010101 | Isnt that the same way barfod explained it? |
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| 01:04.15 | barfod | lets not take any more channel space on this. I could write a shell and cal it xfce shell and make it run if i wanted |
| 01:05.06 | KristisB | tachikoma1010101, nope, barfod seems to use it in the opposite way. I just asked, what graphical shell Debian Squeeze uses. |
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| 01:05.57 | barfod | KristisB: it doesn't use one |
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| 01:06.25 | mtn | KristisB: most end up using gnome2 |
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| 01:07.08 | KristisB | mtm - and what desktop environment does Debian Squeeze use then? |
| 01:07.24 | Hrym | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:07.33 | barfod | it can use any DE, or WM |
| 01:07.50 | mtn | KristisB: gnome 2 if you don't specify something different |
| 01:07.56 | barfod | thre is an installer that allows you to install any DE you want |
| 01:08.12 | eyedea | I don't have any options to connect to wireless when I go into the networkmanager, why is this? How can I check if the driver is installed? |
| 01:08.26 | tachikoma1010101 | This seems like a waste of time IMO, why worry so much about the exact term of DE, shell, etc |
| 01:08.57 | KristisB | barfod - so what happened when I installed Cinnamon? Did I stop using Gnome? |
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| 01:09.20 | barfod | Do you really want me to explain this stuff to you? or are you just tryng to prove your point? |
| 01:09.42 | mtn | KristisB: gnome environment, cinnamon for window manager. all can be found online easily |
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| 01:10.18 | tachikoma1010101 | was surprised no one said just google it |
| 01:10.26 | KristisB | mtn, barfod offered me not to trust interest websites, even Gnome.Org. This is why I am here, and yes, I want it to be explained. |
| 01:10.38 | barfod | KristisB: please stop flagging my nick |
| 01:10.46 | barfod | i have you on ignore |
| 01:10.47 | mtn | KristisB: go to the source for accurate info. |
| 01:12.18 | KristisB | which source should I trust? Now, I'm confused what to believe in. |
| 01:13.29 | tachikoma1010101 | haha |
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| 01:14.59 | KristisB | tachikoma1010101, even wiki.debian.org links to Wikipedia page on Desktop Environments. so totally confused now, when someone criticizes it. |
| 01:15.50 | tachikoma1010101 | really? I never noticed, I hopes its not the only source it uses |
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| 01:16.36 | KristisB | tachikoma1010101, yes, can YOU try to make it a bit clearer to me? |
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| 01:17.10 | tachikoma1010101 | negative ghostrider |
| 01:17.51 | KristisB | tachikoma1010101, what do you mean by that? |
| 01:18.23 | tachikoma1010101 | I find it all confusing also |
| 01:18.38 | tachikoma1010101 | it depends on the source how they define it all |
| 01:18.47 | dondelelcaro | KristisB: if you install another DE and configure your DM or .xsession or whatever to start that DE, then you'll use that DE. |
| 01:19.07 | dondelelcaro | KristisB: but it's not really a big deal what you call it; it's just a demarcation question, and not particularly interesting. |
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| 01:20.20 | eyedea | how do I find the ID of my drivers? What parameter on lspci? |
| 01:20.33 | eyedea | ,nic |
| 01:20.35 | KristisB | dondelelcaro, it is interesting to me. |
| 01:20.52 | dondelelcaro | eyedea: which ID are you looking for? |
| 01:21.32 | dondelelcaro | KristisB: a DE is something that offers desktop environment, and often contains a WM or uses a specific WM. That's really all it is. |
| 01:21.46 | eyedea | uh, not sure, but some guy in here checked after my drivers by doing ,nic <id here> |
| 01:21.49 | eyedea | or somethin' like that |
| 01:22.03 | dondelelcaro | eyedea: that will look up the device driver by PCI id. |
| 01:22.10 | eyedea | yeah |
| 01:22.16 | eyedea | PCI ID is what I need |
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| 01:22.32 | eyedea | -nn |
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| 01:23.24 | eyedea | ,nic 10ec:8176 |
| 01:23.31 | eyedea | nic 10ec:8176 |
| 01:23.32 | dondelelcaro | eyedea: so /msg judd pciid 10ec:8176 or whatever |
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| 01:24.40 | eyedea | thanks |
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| 01:32.13 | wsky | yay debian |
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| 01:42.31 | eyedea | woop, just solved the problem myself |
| 01:42.39 | eyedea | the first debian problem i've ever solved .) |
| 01:42.44 | eyedea | :) |
| 01:44.28 | Towzzer | what was the problem? |
| 01:45.15 | eyedea | wifi |
| 01:45.20 | eyedea | on wheezy unstable |
| 01:45.24 | eyedea | Towzzer: can you hilight me? |
| 01:45.31 | Towzzer | how come you keep asking that |
| 01:45.33 | Towzzer | eyedea |
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| 01:45.36 | eyedea | thanks |
| 01:45.39 | eyedea | can you now pm me |
| 01:45.49 | eyedea | just something, whatever |
| 01:46.11 | eyedea | Towzzer: the reason is that I switched over to irssi and i'm testing out a script |
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| 02:29.18 | chaospsychex | hi |
| 02:29.30 | gnarface | how do i get it to ask whether my system clock is stored in UTC or not again? i thought it was dpkg-reconfigure tzdata but that appears to only set timzeone |
| 02:29.46 | chaospsychex | i'm curious as to which windowing toolkit the Debian Squeeze text installation uses ? I assume it's coded in C yes ? |
| 02:29.52 | chaospsychex | ncurses ? |
| 02:29.53 | histo | 2/wc |
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| 02:45.46 | alexwaters | does anyone know how I can tell pip to install modules to python 2.7 instead of 2.6? |
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| 02:52.35 | w0rm-_x | hi, I just installed Debian Squeeze and I can't get any audio out |
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| 02:54.40 | barfod | w0rm-_x: did you install alsa alsa-utils , and run "alsactl init" ? |
| 02:54.51 | w0rm-_x | no |
| 02:55.00 | barfod | or are you using a gnome or something ? |
| 02:55.20 | barfod | i mean is it a minimal install? or is the sound just broken/not recognized |
| 02:55.48 | barfod | s/a gnome/gnome/ |
| 02:56.00 | w0rm-_x | I'm not really sure, I don't get any message about broken sound, and I can see my sound device but there is no sound at all |
| 02:56.34 | w0rm-_x | when I go to volume control I see my Device |
| 02:57.02 | barfod | ok, is this a newer machine? |
| 02:57.10 | TuxFighter | Hi, I got an fresh install of wheezy on my thinpad T60 but it seems that my network isnĀ“t regonized |
| 02:57.11 | w0rm-_x | and next to my device it says (Alsa mixer) |
| 02:57.16 | TuxFighter | but it should work with 1000e |
| 02:57.30 | w0rm-_x | barfod, no |
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| 02:58.26 | w0rm-_x | barfod, I get nothing back from the command lspci | grep audio |
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| 03:00.09 | barfod | as root ? |
| 03:00.09 | denile | w0rm-_x: lspci | grep -i audio |
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| 03:00.35 | w0rm-_x | denile, yes I got two devices now |
| 03:00.58 | w0rm-_x | not sure what to do next. |
| 03:01.46 | barfod | look up the devices on the debian.org wiki pages, and see if there any issues with them |
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| 03:14.28 | w0rm-_x | my device is not listed in this page http://wiki.debian.org/DeviceDatabase/USB .. does that mean that I cannot run it? |
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| 03:24.47 | flock-_ | Hello. I've created a new user and public_html to install wordpress on my debian. I've got mysql, php all installed. When I try to run on my browser the install.php it just trys to download the file. What am I doing wrong? thanks in advance. |
| 03:29.58 | chaospsychex | flock-_: you don't have php setup correctly |
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| 03:30.59 | chaospsychex | flock-_: specifically, you don't have httpd configured correctly as far as the php module is concerned |
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| 03:32.08 | intelikey | what is the name of the printer setup tool in squeeze "kde or gnome doesn't matter to me..." ? |
| 03:32.35 | intelikey | i need to add a printer |
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| 03:34.26 | aah | isn't it "cups"? |
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| 03:40.38 | chaospsychex | aah: LOLZ! |
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| 03:41.21 | ds1 | Hi i apt-get update but still i cant see the movie tutorial in lynda.com. I use iceweasel. Same also in chrome. When i play it, its just blank.. Any thoughts? |
| 03:41.30 | aah | oops. did i say something wrong, chaospsychex ? i am still very much a novice to linux .. |
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| 03:42.12 | chaospsychex | aah: hhahahahahahahaahah no not at all. it's just funny, that's all. He should of known that. My god..... |
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| 04:30.53 | harovali` | hi, after struggling a lot with ext4 formatted partitions which held processes waiting for ~10 seconds every 20 minutes, I've pretty decided to copy my main production data to a xfs formatted partition. Both, the xfs and the ext4 partitions are about 90 GB In size. I'd thank any useful comment on this decision I took. |
| 04:31.27 | harovali` | This is squeeze with 2.6.36 kernel |
| 04:32.49 | harovali | The server is UPS-backed, and has 120+ days of uptime |
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| 04:36.34 | s3a | I want to get the image of a 20 gb hdd with debian on it and then store the image (not as a file) to an 160 gb hdd. Is all I need to do dd if=/dev/sda of=/some/path/somefile.img and then dd if=/some/path/somefile.img of=/dev/sda? |
| 04:37.49 | s3a | (from a linux live cd) |
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| 04:38.04 | s3a | (I can't feasibly do it directly.) |
| 04:38.14 | harovali | s3a: you have two disks plugged to the machine, right ? |
| 04:38.18 | s3a | no |
| 04:38.49 | s3a | harovali, i'm planning to put the img to an external hard drive and use a live linux usb to take that img file and put it on the hdd that's already in the computer |
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| 04:39.03 | s3a | the computer case is too packed and it would be a pain to dissasemble |
| 04:39.20 | s3a | assuming the motherboard could support more than one hdd |
| 04:39.35 | s3a | (it's a small form factor) |
| 04:39.48 | harovali | s3a: so, you'd run the two dd's in two separate boots , where /dev/sda is a different disk in each time, right ? |
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| 04:40.02 | s3a | harovali, yes |
| 04:40.17 | s3a | what i was asking for is if the IDEA is right |
| 04:40.29 | harovali | s3a: so basically yes, , those commands would work |
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| 04:40.37 | s3a | harovali, thanks for confirming :) |
| 04:40.45 | harovali | s3a: i'd suggest using conv=sync,noerror |
| 04:41.06 | s3a | what do those do? |
| 04:41.30 | s3a | and would i use that in both times i run the dd utility? |
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| 04:41.37 | s3a | harovali, |
| 04:41.42 | harovali | s3a: also "/some/path/somefile.img" , is a file in a mounted external hard drive or pendrive , right ? |
| 04:42.34 | harovali | s3a: conv=sync,noerror is mainly useful in the first dd, the one that collects the data and organizes the intermediate file |
| 04:43.15 | harovali | s3a: provided the intermediate media is fine, the second dd does not benefit from conv=sync,noerror |
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| 04:55.43 | zen_monkey | nights, how can i launch a music player at a certain time? |
| 04:56.26 | zen_monkey | i've tried "at actual time+minute or two" then the command and ctrl+D to end |
| 04:56.31 | zen_monkey | and nothing happends |
| 04:57.30 | wsky | zen_monkey: cron? |
| 04:57.45 | harovali | you could use sleep 1h ; musicplayer music.mp3 |
| 04:59.16 | zen_monkey | hmmm, i was looking for the quickest thing to replace my just dead alarm clock :p |
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| 05:00.03 | zen_monkey | and the command was "deadbeef --play" wich issued in a terminal launches it as i would like to |
| 05:00.04 | harovali | put the command aformentioned inside a 'screen' session , and secure the power supply |
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| 05:01.43 | harovali | prefer mplayer or some other command line player over a graphical player , so that lesser issues gain probability of ocurring |
| 05:02.58 | zen_monkey | harovali, i'll just go with the sleep way as it's quite urgent ;) |
| 05:03.33 | zen_monkey | i'll do some reading on both screen and mplayer somewhere in the next days |
| 05:03.35 | zen_monkey | thanks both |
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| 05:08.06 | dD_ | I wanna upgrade to wheezy, but I get a lot of dependency problems. Should I uninstall the packages that give dependency problems? Or allow aptitude to fix it? |
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| 05:09.06 | TuxFighter | I uninstalled all except the basic system, but the fix method may also work. |
| 05:09.42 | TuxFighter | just donĀ“t do a purge to keep your configs if |
| 05:09.47 | TuxFighter | :-) |
| 05:10.52 | dD_ | TuxFighter, Would you recommend just uninstalling all those packages first then? |
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| 05:11.27 | TuxFighter | I did it so because aptitude makes me crazy with all those deps |
| 05:12.05 | dD_ | TuxFighter, and once it's upgraded, don't you have the same dependency problems when you try to reinstall them? |
| 05:12.42 | TuxFighter | negative, because much dependcies for me in kde came from renamed package |
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| 05:14.43 | dD_ | TuxFighter, alright, and if I just go for the fix and allow aptitude to do it, could that have negative consequences? |
| 05:15.19 | TuxFighter | I am not that expert in packet migration, I think will be just more work to do |
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| 05:16.34 | TuxFighter | generally the upgrade mechanism are safe, last system I saw killed by that was a sarge system |
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| 05:17.26 | TuxFighter | but of course its still testing so I would remove at least all desktop stop |
| 05:17.29 | TuxFighter | stuff |
| 05:17.56 | TuxFighter | should be faster and less pain |
| 05:22.12 | TuxFighter | as I guess its a desktop otherwise you wouldnĀ“t use testing ^^ |
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| 05:25.35 | dD_ | TuxFighter, right. And it's having problems with squeeze |
| 05:25.49 | dD_ | It says that libept1 is conflicting, but apt uses it |
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| 05:25.58 | dD_ | not sure if i should remove it :/ |
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| 05:28.54 | JNSamuel | okay, so i've tried to install debian using a live usb from using unetbootin and LiLi, but both have the same outcome -- debian keeps asking for a cdrom drive when it's clearly using a USB |
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| 05:38.17 | dD_ | Actually, I think I can't upgrade if that's not fixed |
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| 05:41.25 | SirFunk | I'm on wheezy. If i add sid to my apt/sources.list and pin it with a lower priority than wheezy.. how come apt-get upgrade still tries to upgrade everything? |
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| 05:42.18 | wsky | you've pinned it incorrectly then |
| 05:44.13 | SirFunk | wsky: https://gist.github.com/anonymous/6419aab950797cce74a3 |
| 05:44.16 | SirFunk | anything wrong there? |
| 05:45.44 | wsky | hm |
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| 05:48.30 | wsky | SirFunk: experimental packages have higher priority than wheezy. probably the packages suck in other deps and their deps so in the end you're ending in upgrading of the half or your system i'd say |
| 05:48.54 | wsky | however i've never tried that |
| 05:49.16 | SirFunk | hmm |
| 05:49.29 | SirFunk | well if i have experimental but _not_ sid it's fine |
| 05:49.37 | SirFunk | when i add sid it tries to upgrade like 80 packages |
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| 05:50.15 | SirFunk | I'll try removing the experimental pins |
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| 05:52.19 | SirFunk | nope still tries to upgrade |
| 05:52.36 | SirFunk | odd |
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| 05:52.43 | SirFunk | if i change sid to unstable.. it works |
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| 05:54.54 | JNSamuel | what a strange codename |
| 05:55.13 | JNSamuel | must have took an idiot to come up with that. i guess he had a cold at the time |
| 05:55.54 | SirFunk | ? |
| 05:56.04 | JNSamuel | "wheezy" |
| 05:56.39 | wsky | JNSamuel: it's a name of a character from toy story. all debian releases have one name from toy story. |
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| 05:57.09 | JNSamuel | why toy story? :S |
| 05:57.20 | JNSamuel | now that makes debian sound like a kids programme. |
| 05:57.31 | JNSamuel | which it is not |
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| 05:59.04 | JNSamuel | ... By this time, Bruce Perens had taken over leadership of the Project from Ian Murdock, and Bruce was working at Pixar.... |
| 05:59.05 | JNSamuel | hmmm |
| 05:59.49 | JNSamuel | what will happen when there are no characters left? |
| 05:59.54 | JNSamuel | Teletubbies? |
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| 06:00.35 | wsky | debian will disasemble and there will be no new releases, obviously. |
| 06:00.53 | JNSamuel | i doubt that |
| 06:00.59 | wsky | T_T |
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| 06:01.39 | JNSamuel | that would be rediculous |
| 06:01.49 | JNSamuel | if that ever happened :/ |
| 06:02.56 | JNSamuel | i discovered debian 8 years ago, this is the first ive realized the releases were toy story characters, wtf. |
| 06:03.17 | boudiccas | JNSamuel: slow |
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| 06:03.45 | SirFunk | lol |
| 06:03.47 | JNSamuel | well i wasn't expecting an advanced linux distro to have its codenames based on some kids cartoon |
| 06:03.53 | SirFunk | what was the name of the dog? slinky? |
| 06:04.04 | JNSamuel | never took an interest tbh |
| 06:04.06 | peterS | SirFunk: 'slink' was debian 1.3 or so |
| 06:04.31 | peterS | or ... crap, I forget the numbers, but it was before potato |
| 06:04.37 | JNSamuel | if i was around when the first one (buzz) came out, i probably would have clicked |
| 06:06.06 | JNSamuel | i think the one after wheezy should be named something "grownup". if the devs had any sense |
| 06:06.15 | peterS | your opinion is noted |
| 06:06.25 | peterS | but we don't |
| 06:06.39 | JNSamuel | bah why |
| 06:06.52 | SirFunk | peterS: hah nice |
| 06:07.12 | peterS | I guess we just don't want to be taken seriously in the enterprise |
| 06:07.22 | JNSamuel | well, atleast make bullseye the next |
| 06:07.27 | JNSamuel | :D |
| 06:08.00 | JNSamuel | if you use barbie, i will probably skip that release |
| 06:08.06 | JNSamuel | >.> |
| 06:08.08 | peterS | the running joke for some years has been that the next release will be named Buggy. That's a TS character after all. |
| 06:08.31 | peterS | and a very appealing name for an OS release |
| 06:08.59 | JNSamuel | what about "Troll" ? |
| 06:09.07 | JNSamuel | Troll A female troll in a bikini with crazy hair. She was sold at a yard sale before Toy Story 3. |
| 06:09.43 | peterS | I'm guessing TS3 will not be mined for names until TS and TS2 are thoroughly played out |
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| 06:10.25 | JNSamuel | so we could probably see a "troll" release in the foreseeable future |
| 06:10.33 | JNSamuel | now that would be funny. |
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| 06:12.22 | JNSamuel | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Toy_Story_characters < that is one hell of a list, I see what you mean that debian would probably be dismantled by the time it gets through all those names |
| 06:13.41 | wsky | by that time debian will generate random renders of toy story movies by 'canihasamoovi' command :P |
| 06:14.26 | JNSamuel | or by that time a sensible main dev will come along |
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| 06:14.42 | peterS | yeah, I'm sure a sensible main dev will come along any day now |
| 06:15.22 | peterS | then our releases could be a bit more natty, breezy, hoary, or oneiric |
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| 06:16.03 | JNSamuel | those names sound like ubuntu |
| 06:16.05 | JNSamuel | :/ |
| 06:16.19 | peterS | dang, I've been found out |
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| 06:20.45 | JNSamuel | hmm, so the founder of debian is now a VP at a company that sends out email spam.. very good |
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| 06:25.54 | awc737 | wtf I have never seen this: root@rn01:/old/var/lib/mysql# service apache2 restart |
| 06:25.54 | awc737 | Restarting web server: apache2apache2: |
| 06:26.13 | awc737 | double apache2? |
| 06:26.53 | peterS | you're probably missing part of a warning or error message from the output |
| 06:27.29 | awc737 | Restarting web server: apache2apache2: Could not reliably determine the server's fully qualified domain name, using x.x.x.x for ServerName |
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| 06:28.55 | peterS | So yeah. "Restarting web server: apache2" is printed by the init script, then "apache2: Could not reliably determine..." is printed by Apache at startup |
| 06:29.35 | awc737 | its a double apache2 all the way across |
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| 06:34.18 | wsky | awc737: the first "apache2" comes from the startup script which probably doesnt prtint a newline before the service starts so the warning message which starts with "apache2:" comes right after the message from the script |
| 06:34.56 | awc737 | :( i was hoping i had scored double apache |
| 06:35.03 | wsky | i'm sorry |
| 06:35.37 | awc737 | not Apache, but Twopache <-see what I did |
| 06:35.54 | wsky | two paches |
| 06:36.01 | awc737 | exactly:) |
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| 07:08.17 | gry | how do I install a package if it's in unstable repos, but I'm on debian squeeze? |
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| 07:12.13 | histo | Is there a way to add a key fingerprint to trusted keys? |
| 07:12.22 | histo | with apt-key or whatever? |
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| 07:13.23 | wsky | gry: several ways but i'd not recommend mixing branches unless the desired package has no or at least safe dependencies |
| 07:13.46 | wsky | gry: you could try apt pinning |
| 07:14.50 | gry | got docs on that please? |
| 07:15.24 | wsky | http://jaqque.sbih.org/kplug/apt-pinning.html |
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| 07:25.41 | histo | sorry cannot be authenticated. is the WARNING! |
| 07:26.01 | histo | How do I get rid of this warning int he future? |
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| 07:37.43 | zykotick9 | !tell gry about ssb |
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| 07:41.51 | Qubits | Ahoy |
| 07:42.31 | Qubits | I need some of your expert wizards on this one, I seem to have a locked up system on boot. It's my server and it has the primary copy of all my data >< |
| 07:43.01 | Qubits | I can't even use sysrq, i can try to see what msg it's booting on, should I pull up a recovery console |
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| 07:54.49 | rryoumaa | live cd |
| 07:54.50 | rryoumaa | ? |
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| 07:57.39 | Leoneof | hello, if i update wheezy kde 4.8 to 4.9, so that's mean i need to update all KDE software too? |
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| 08:00.22 | Qubits | i have a bt 4 cd |
| 08:00.30 | Qubits | or a debian 6 disc |
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| 08:11.24 | Qubits | ok i now have a shell up |
| 08:11.30 | Qubits | ima mount the system and check the boot logs? |
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| 08:11.48 | Oleg | :) |
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| 08:12.50 | Qubits | i think its a disk problem |
| 08:13.12 | Qubits | driveready seekcomplete error |
| 08:13.25 | Qubits | uncorrectableerror :\ |
| 08:13.35 | Qubits | man thats 3 hdds in 2 years |
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| 08:25.49 | Phase4 | i'd like to install debian ontop of archlinux on a running system, don't care if it clobbers existing data/configuration, how would i achieve this? |
| 08:26.26 | Phase4 | i DO have physical access to the machine, but that's too simple, would like to do it entirely via ssh |
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| 08:34.56 | damir__ | hi |
| 08:35.31 | ChrisH | Phase4: checked debootstrap ? |
| 08:36.40 | Phase4 | used it once or twice, not to familiar with it though |
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| 08:38.03 | damir__ | I made a debian installation with only base system and installed gdm, xfce and mono additionally. The disk usage is currently at 1000MB. Can anyone provide some practical tips on how to bring the disk usage down some more, and how much more disk it's possible to free with this configuration? |
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| 08:42.24 | damir__ | I imagine that this configuration would take up less disk, maybe i'm wrong |
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| 08:42.53 | sashka_ua | damir__: keep only two latest kernel versions, check /usr/share/doc to clean up it. These two things almost always largest stuff in the system |
| 08:43.27 | damir__ | thanks. can I remove those by hand, or by some tool? |
| 08:43.41 | sashka_ua | damir__: it depends on your goals. :) |
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| 08:43.47 | Madkiss | cheers |
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| 08:44.20 | Madkiss | I have a question with regards to bringing network interfaces up automatically. I have openvswitch installed, which brings up a bridge that is titled br-ex. I would like that bridge to have an IP assigned automatically as soon as it appears. |
| 08:44.36 | Madkiss | unfortunately, the allow-hotplug directive in /etc/network/interfaces doesn't catch this for whatever reason |
| 08:44.45 | Madkiss | could somebody hint me to the right direction please? |
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| 08:46.24 | sashka_ua | Madkiss: automitically means DHCP or what? |
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| 08:47.45 | zykotick9 | Madkiss: have you tried auto instead of hotplug? |
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| 08:49.40 | damir__ | 2.6.32-5 is newer than 2.6.32-45, right? |
| 08:49.55 | sashka_ua | damir__: 2.6.32-45 is newer |
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| 08:50.38 | sashka_ua | damir__: you may consider to remove each pachage has -doc in its name: dpkg -l | grep \-doc |
| 08:51.08 | sashka_ua | damir__: then check one by one packages installed in the system: dpkg -l |
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| 08:51.36 | damir__ | thanks, will do |
| 08:51.53 | Madkiss | sashka_ua: no. I have a static configuration in place, and I want that to be applied. |
| 08:51.54 | sashka_ua | damir__: and remove everything you don't need. But don't go too far, coz this easely may bring system to not working state |
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| 08:52.27 | sashka_ua | Madkiss: allow-hotplug is a totally about different things |
| 08:52.50 | Madkiss | zykotick9: auto is not what I am looking for; it implies the interface is started automatically at boot time, which is impossible because the interface only ever gets created by a service that is run after system boot, namely openvswitch-switch |
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| 08:52.59 | Madkiss | sashka_ua: aha? |
| 08:53.29 | sashka_ua | Madkiss: have you read http://wiki.debian.org/BridgeNetworkConnections ? |
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| 08:53.47 | zykotick9 | Madkiss: i see. i use a bridge with auto, but obviously, it's started at boot, not by a service/program |
| 08:54.30 | Madkiss | sashka_ua: I did, but that doesn't help me. The bridge is not created by me, but by a userland application (openvswitch-switch). |
| 08:54.51 | sashka_ua | Madkiss: mmmmmmmmm, let me check it |
| 08:54.53 | Madkiss | What I need to have is a udev event that fires up "ifup br-ex" as soon as openvswitch-switch has created the bridge. |
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| 08:58.31 | KrisB | "Package nvidia-kernel-common is not available, but is referred to by another package." |
| 09:01.16 | sashka_ua | Madkiss: does openvswitch-switch start on boot? Does it destroy bridge on restart? |
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| 09:02.42 | Madkiss | sashka_ua: yes |
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| 09:03.27 | Phase4 | http://wiki.debian.org/ToyStory XD |
| 09:03.30 | Phase4 | learn something new every day |
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| 09:05.19 | sashka_ua | Madkiss: I tried to google with udev KERNEL=="br*" and found: http://openvswitch.org/pipermail/discuss/2011-October/005890.html |
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| 09:05.41 | sashka_ua | Madkiss: it seems as a solution for you |
| 09:05.46 | Madkiss | wow, thanks a lot! |
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| 09:13.20 | freeroute | hi everyone, I'm doing a businesscard install on a VM, but I can't seem to get the logs to my win7 host... the "save logs' feature tells me that it's on my /tmp, but when I did mount on one of my TTY's, the /tmp directory didn't even show up - http://i.imgur.com/txDL6KK.png |
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| 09:14.12 | KrisB | "Package 'nvidia-kernel-common' has no installation candidate" |
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| 09:14.29 | freeroute | also, I've set up a web server, and IIRC, since I have the VM in bridged mode, I would be able to go to the address from my win7 host, which also fails - http://i.imgur.com/XQiIETJ.png |
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| 09:17.51 | Madkiss | sashka_ua: works like a charm, thank you so much :) |
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| 09:33.45 | harmaahylje | yes |
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| 09:37.51 | sashka_ua | Madkiss: cool. :0 |
| 09:39.30 | Phase4 | my isp runs a debian mirror :') |
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| 09:47.50 | freeroute | hi everyone, I'm doing a businesscard install on a VM, but I can't seem to get the logs to my win7 host... the "save logs' feature tells me that it's on my /tmp, but when I did mount on one of my TTY's, the /tmp directory didn't even show up - http://i.imgur.com/txDL6KK.png |
| 09:48.01 | freeroute | also, I've set up a web server, and IIRC, since I have the VM in bridged mode, I would be able to go to the address from my win7 host, which also fails - http://i.imgur.com/XQiIETJ.png |
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| 09:52.16 | ChrisH | freeroute: Q1: did you chose a part of the name txDL6KK.png manually? Q2: did you try cd /tmp or cd /target/tmp to search the logs? Q3: can you ping that IP from Win7? |
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| 09:54.13 | Ixium | when i install ufw for the first time, what is the default policy? if i haven't set it? |
| 09:54.35 | Phase4 | hmm, i ran debootstrap |
| 09:54.43 | Phase4 | i've now got an environment suitable for a chroot |
| 09:54.47 | echo083 | Ixium, be careful certainly empty ! so fully permissive |
| 09:55.34 | freeroute | ChrisH: 1. No, why? 2. Logs are located in /tmp, but /target/tmp only has some dkms.* files. 2. Pinging results in timeout :( |
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| 09:57.38 | ChrisH | freeroute: 1 DL6KK sounds like a german Ham Radio callsign. 2. to save the logfiles copy them from /tmp to someting below /target like a home 3. If ifconfig -a on Debian shows the interface up and the IP matches the expected one, its more a Windows issue |
| 09:59.23 | Ixium | lol it seems i already set it to default deny earlier :) |
| 09:59.56 | echo083 | Ixium, good :) |
| 10:00.24 | freeroute | ChrisH: 1. Ah, I see. No I have absolutely no relation with the ham radio scene (yet) :p 2. So /target is where the system has been installed? 3. My win7 host is on a 192.168.1.* network, so perhaps those 2 networks are just isolated, but I have no idea why since I have my Virtualbox VM in bridged mode |
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| 10:12.00 | wak3r | good morning |
| 10:12.16 | wak3r | how i can see which debian i have? |
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| 10:12.49 | nevyn | cat /etc/debian-release |
| 10:12.53 | nevyn | debian-version maybe |
| 10:13.10 | nevyn | sigh I suck /etc/debian_version |
| 10:13.28 | nevyn | and it's evening you geographically insensitive clod! |
| 10:13.28 | wak3r | thx a lot |
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| 10:13.37 | nevyn | ;) |
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| 10:14.01 | wak3r | and architecture of CPU? |
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| 10:14.11 | digdilem | uname -a |
| 10:14.17 | digdilem | (maybe) |
| 10:14.24 | rdz | wak3r, dpkg --print-architecture |
| 10:14.24 | nevyn | cat /proc/cpuinfo and divine cpuflags |
| 10:14.45 | nevyn | those will tell you the archetecture of the distribution not the arch of the cpu |
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| 10:14.53 | digdilem | true |
| 10:14.54 | rdz | nevyn, thanks |
| 10:14.56 | rdz | true |
| 10:14.57 | nevyn | which in our modern multiarch world isn't the same thing |
| 10:15.08 | rdz | (and it's morning, still....) |
| 10:15.11 | wak3r | really thanks rdz and nevyn |
| 10:15.16 | digdilem | yep. definitely morning. |
| 10:15.22 | nevyn | nuh-uh. |
| 10:15.26 | nevyn | ;) |
| 10:15.30 | nevyn | mu |
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| 10:17.27 | tgs3 | anyone knows why VNC passwords are 8 character long max and unencrypted? |
| 10:17.39 | TheGrey_ | o/ Can anyone help me with this sound problem? My audio is way tooo low. Everything in my ALSA mixer is set to the highest. My soundcard is HDA intel sb. My audio driver is Realtek ALC892. My asound.rc is: http://pastebin.com/Ed13xVPG ...What can I do to rid this annoying intermittent problem? Is is my sound card? Do I need to add something to modprobe? Thanks |
| 10:18.27 | pzn | (using debian squeeze) with RAID10 with 4 disks, I can have 1 drive falure for sure, and 2 drive failures if I'm lucky and the right disk fails... how can I "scan" an md device to know which driver can fail simultaneously? I currently have 4 regular HDs, and I bought 2 enterprise-level HDs and I'd like to replace the right ones :-) |
| 10:19.07 | ksk | pzn: you should always just replace 1 disk in a raid10 setup, never 2 |
| 10:19.32 | ksk | ( or you will loose your uptime if another one fails during rebuild, also rebuilding 2 disk at the same time should not be too cool for your performance) |
| 10:19.52 | freeroute | TheGrey_: usually when this is the case, then it's a hardware thing, meaning that it's as max volume as it can go. Have you tried using another distro in a live environment to see if you still have that problem? (or in more drastic cases... windows?) |
| 10:20.46 | pzn | ksk, the 4 disks are ok now. the 4 disks are low-end HDs... I have 2 new disks that are high-end. I will replace one at a time. which 2 disks to replace to have a better reliability? |
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| 10:21.16 | digdilem | tgs3, very old standard |
| 10:22.03 | TheGrey_ | freeroute: you see, this only happens intermittently. Like 2 hours ago, evberyhthing was fine. The actual audio problem, is that i can hear background noises so clearly. But the voices are dramatically low or absent. When I reinstall alsabase, alsa-utils, etc.... I get normal audio.. If it helps, when I run speaker-test I get: Channels count (1) not available for playbacks: Invalid argument |
| 10:22.03 | TheGrey_ | Setting of hwparams failed: Invalid argument |
| 10:23.00 | ksk | pzn: ah okay, now i get you. but sorry im not into linux software raid. |
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| 10:23.12 | nevyn | TheGrey_: can you run and upload the output of alsa-info.sh (http://alsaproject.org/alsa-info.sh) |
| 10:23.19 | pzn | ksk, http://pastebin.com/f4B3LJZn this is what I was asking... |
| 10:23.26 | pzn | ksk, ok, no problem, thanks anyway |
| 10:23.31 | freeroute | TheGrey_: hmm, this is either an EQ issue (unlikely), or a sum and difference issue (more likely), are you sure you physical audio jack connection is ok? |
| 10:23.38 | nevyn | pzn: did you use lvm on your raid? |
| 10:23.49 | pzn | nevyn, yes |
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| 10:24.17 | nevyn | if the availble space on the new disks after raid > old array you could just pvmove |
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| 10:24.59 | nevyn | freeroute: there are all sorts of possiblities incorrectly configured widgets (particularly if ther'es amps that are off that should be on etc. |
| 10:25.32 | freeroute | nevyn: you mean desktop widgets? |
| 10:25.37 | nevyn | pzn: so are all disks the same size |
| 10:25.42 | nevyn | freeroute: codec widgets. |
| 10:25.54 | pzn | nevyn, sorry... this is not what I'm asking :-) if you had 2 morereliable disks and 2 regular disks and you would make a 4disk-raid10 (same size disks), in which position you would put the more-reliable disks? |
| 10:25.58 | TheGrey_ | nevyn: I cannot find the alsa-info.sh on my system |
| 10:26.28 | nevyn | TheGrey_: it's a bug against alsa-utils that it's not included |
| 10:26.36 | nevyn | just pull the shell script from alsa-project.org |
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| 10:27.52 | TheGrey_ | nevyn: thanks, where should I place the .sh? |
| 10:28.13 | nevyn | TheGrey_: you can run it without uploading and put it in paste.debian.org or somewere if you're more comefortable with that. |
| 10:28.20 | nevyn | TheGrey_: wherever. |
| 10:28.31 | nevyn | your home directory is fine. |
| 10:28.48 | TheGrey_ | nevyn: thanks, I should add it to the autostart script right? |
| 10:28.52 | nevyn | no... |
| 10:28.59 | nevyn | just run it once from a shell |
| 10:29.18 | nevyn | it's a diagnostic tool not a solution in itself. |
| 10:29.26 | nevyn | it just gives all the audio info about the box. |
| 10:29.34 | tgs3 | digdilem: it's completly retarded |
| 10:29.43 | nevyn | (mixer settings, soundcards, sound servers etc) |
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| 10:30.22 | nevyn | it saves about 18 quesitons of are you running pulse or not what controls are there which ones are set to what etc. |
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| 10:30.42 | digdilem | tgs3, that's presumably why rdp and the other desktop sharing things were evolved. |
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| 10:31.05 | digdilem | local firewall could provide ip-restrictions as well |
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| 10:32.46 | TheGrey_ | nevyn: nice: file:///home/laddu/downloads/alsa_utils_alsa-info.sh |
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| 10:32.58 | TheGrey_ | nevyn: I mean: http://www.alsa-project.org/db/?f=938448dd3f488db26c55cbde19705421506f5fc0 |
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| 10:35.47 | Phase4 | hmm... i've got a functional debian environment in place |
| 10:35.59 | nevyn | TheGrey_: turn up master |
| 10:36.08 | Phase4 | i've no idea how to swap the currently running distro with debian |
| 10:36.32 | TheGrey_ | nevyn: i've done it..but any other fixes? |
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| 10:38.17 | buscon | Hi, i have a process called event/3 taking the 100% of the cpu |
| 10:38.23 | buscon | what's that? can I kill it? |
| 10:39.10 | nevyn | TheGrey_: nothing is leaping off the page at me there. |
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| 10:39.36 | nevyn | TheGrey_: the general reccomended process is max everything out. |
| 10:39.47 | nevyn | then turn stuff off that doesn't affect playback |
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| 10:39.57 | nevyn | then tweak the 4 things that do affect playback |
| 10:40.07 | nevyn | until it sounds 'nice' |
| 10:40.09 | TheGrey_ | nevyn: fair enough..i've just unplugged and replugged in the headphones, and for some reason its working. I feel happy and yet sad. Why did this just work? |
| 10:40.23 | nevyn | jackdetect... |
| 10:40.32 | nadim | Hi - why am I getting completely different results between debian and ubuntu when using this command --> parted -s /dev/loop0 unit cyl mkpart primary fat32 -- 0 16 |
| 10:40.51 | nadim | and I'm using the same version of the tools (ie. parted) |
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| 10:41.40 | SEVEN | can I tell `grep -R' to only search plain text files? (with no extension)? |
| 10:41.57 | TheGrey_ | nevyn: what's up with jackdetect? Is it a bug? |
| 10:42.11 | xbanux | hey..i had a debian netinstall machine with only a CLI, i wanted to install a GUI KDE for it...i ran the command apt-get install kde...after everything was installed i restarted the pc...i get a login prompt now, but when i login the screen just goes blank for a couple of seconds & comes back to the login page....the password is correct since im able to login via ssh |
| 10:42.12 | nevyn | TheGrey_: so.... when stuff is plugged in. |
| 10:42.13 | thyphus | SEVEN: what do you mean with no extension? |
| 10:42.26 | nadim | Are there known issues in using 'parted' between debian and ubuntu ?? |
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| 10:43.06 | SEVEN | thyphus: like `text.txt', where `.txt' is the extension |
| 10:43.16 | nevyn | TheGrey_: jackdetect is a range of mechinisms for detecting that "Something has been plugged in" and having a stab at what that thing might be.. (guessing) |
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| 10:43.36 | thyphus | SEVEN: you can use 'find' to define the type (e.g. file, no directories or pipes) and add a filter for the name. for example 'find /path/ -type f -iname 'somefile*' -exec grep -H {} \;' |
| 10:43.41 | TheGrey_ | nevyn: fair enough.. thanks for your help. |
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| 10:44.40 | SEVEN | thyphus: I don't want to search all files but only text files |
| 10:45.09 | SEVEN | thyphus: I mean those files designated as text files by the tool `file' |
| 10:46.13 | thyphus | SEVEN: that's not possible. you have to write a shellscript and check the type via file. and why do you use backticks to define a command? |
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| 10:46.31 | thyphus | i mean, one backtick and a inverted comma? |
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| 10:46.53 | SEVEN | thyphus: some dude once did it, I found it cool, and, since then, I am also doing it |
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| 10:47.09 | SEVEN | thyphus: how do you recommend to post commands? |
| 10:47.12 | peterrooney | SEVEN: you may be interested in grep's "--binary-file=without-match" option. |
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| 10:47.33 | SEVEN | peterrooney: that's what I was looking for, thanks |
| 10:47.35 | florin1996 | hi |
| 10:47.55 | florin1996 | how i can install win XP to a USB stick from debian? |
| 10:47.56 | thyphus | peterrooney: ok, don't knew that parameter |
| 10:47.58 | ChrisH | freeroute: yes /target is the newly installed system and regarding win7 and Virtualbox bridged mode, I have no idea. maybe google can help |
| 10:48.03 | peterrooney | sorry, I meant "--binary-files=without-match" |
| 10:48.07 | florin1996 | wich software is recommended? |
| 10:48.19 | ChrisH | florin1996: can you install any windows to an USB stick at all? |
| 10:48.31 | florin1996 | yes |
| 10:48.36 | nevyn | ChrisH: winpe should do it but i don't think you can do it from linux |
| 10:48.49 | florin1996 | i want to put xp to stick for boot from it |
| 10:49.21 | SEVEN | florin1996: what tools are you using to create live windoze systems? |
| 10:49.41 | ChrisH | wine winpe ? |
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| 10:50.14 | florin1996 | i don't know |
| 10:50.20 | florin1996 | i need a software for this |
| 10:50.35 | florin1996 | i have the XP iso |
| 10:50.41 | nevyn | http://www.nu2.nu/pebuilder/ |
| 10:50.42 | florin1996 | i want to boot from stick |
| 10:50.47 | jelly | ChrisH: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_Preinstallation_Environment |
| 10:51.33 | ChrisH | jelly: thanks. I assumed "this" is only possible for real OS :) |
| 10:52.00 | florin1996 | i want to boot from stick? |
| 10:52.08 | florin1996 | what software i need? |
| 10:52.12 | jelly | florin1996: try asking in the ##windows channel. |
| 10:52.41 | florin1996 | but it's a debian problem, i need to put xp to stick from debian |
| 10:52.43 | SEVEN | florin1996: use the tools just mentioned to create the iso and use unetbootin to create a live USB stick |
| 10:52.46 | Iridos | why the heck would iceweasel keep printing "NVIDIA: could not open the device file /dev/nvidiactl (No such device or address)." Of course there's no device, I have no nvidia card |
| 10:53.10 | jelly | Iridos: leftover nvidia libraries in place? |
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| 10:53.32 | Iridos | this was a fresh install on this machine... but perhaps something pulled them in |
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| 10:54.07 | echo083 | florin1996, windows xp is motherboard specific if you try to boot from another it won't work |
| 10:54.13 | jelly | Iridos: when was it fresh? |
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| 10:54.32 | jelly | Iridos: did you at any point have non-free repo enabled? |
| 10:55.15 | Iridos | jelly, perhaps half a year ago, perhaps less... and yes, non-free is enabled oh, and I probably should go to #d-n, it's wheezy (I just keep forgetting) |
| 10:55.31 | Iridos | jelly, but you got a point... I wonder why there's libcuda1 present |
| 10:55.36 | echo083 | damn it he just left ... it will learn me to answer window$ questions |
| 10:56.24 | jelly | what will take to teach you not to use childish window$ character replacements? |
| 10:57.41 | echo083 | jelly, i do what i want ... there is a rule in this channel not to replace S with $ ? |
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| 10:58.28 | echo083 | jelly, i will teach to worry about your own business |
| 10:58.33 | jelly | shrugs |
| 10:58.43 | SEVEN | no bitchfight, please... |
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| 10:59.15 | Iridos | echo083, 5UR3Ly N07! |
| 10:59.47 | Iridos | yeah... time to stop or at least move to #debian-offtopic |
| 11:00.12 | echo083 | Iridos, we stopped you are arguing alone |
| 11:00.36 | Iridos | ... |
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| 11:01.18 | wsky | T_T |
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| 11:07.56 | Iridos | you were right. seems it was nvidia-vdpau-driver:amd64, no idea why that was ever installed... |
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| 11:11.27 | Aleksander | Hello. Can bastille be installed and applied to Debian sid? |
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| 11:13.49 | SEVEN | coming back to what we talked about 20 minutes ago: according to wikipedia, Reatogo-X-PE is "the most complete Live CD of Windows XP". (BartPE does not even include a taskbar) |
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| 11:24.39 | jelly | wikipedia articles are to be taken with a grain of salt |
| 11:26.21 | nkuttler | news at 11 |
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| 11:31.05 | SEVEN | jelly: I know. And it's not neutral (what they are claiming) but extreme left wing |
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| 11:31.40 | TheGrey | o/ I keep getting Playback open error: -16,Device or resource busy error when trying to do a speaker test..my alsamixer is turned up to full.. Why is my device busy? |
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| 11:32.03 | SEVEN | !tell TheGrey about alsa-checklist |
| 11:32.22 | SEVEN | TheGrey: have you already worked that list? |
| 11:33.10 | Phase4 | hmm, i'm not sure this is right |
| 11:33.16 | Posterdati | hi |
| 11:33.17 | Posterdati | please I've got problem with kde on wheezy: kwin freezes the session at login, I updated the nvidia driver... |
| 11:33.19 | Phase4 | i've just run debootstrap, everything is installed |
| 11:33.42 | Posterdati | killing kdm fix the problem for the session |
| 11:33.43 | Phase4 | is there any configuration that needs to happen or do i just slap the hostname into /etc/hostname and reboot? |
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| 11:37.33 | TheGrey | SEVEN: I'm in the audio group, i've worked throught the list. If it helps the aplay gives: list alsa users |
| 11:37.43 | TheGrey | *: ALSA lib pcm_dmix.c:1018:(snd_pcm_dmix_open) unable to open slave |
| 11:37.43 | TheGrey | aplay: main:682: audio open error: Device or resource busy |
| 11:39.11 | Phase4 | no answer, i asume it is safe |
| 11:39.13 | Phase4 | *reboot* |
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| 11:40.06 | Phase4 | um... |
| 11:40.06 | Phase4 | damn |
| 11:40.09 | Aleksander | do any of you know how to use bastille? |
| 11:40.12 | Phase4 | shutdown -r is broken |
| 11:40.47 | TheGrey | SEVEN: what do you think is snatching my device? |
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| 11:43.34 | nkuttler | TheGrey: probably some sound daemon |
| 11:43.43 | Phase4 | echo b > /proc/sysrq-trigger |
| 11:43.45 | Phase4 | this can only go well |
| 11:44.05 | TheGrey | nkuttler: how do you think I can find it and get rid of it? |
| 11:44.12 | Phase4 | oh poo |
| 11:44.16 | Phase4 | forgot to configure the network >_<_ |
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| 11:46.28 | nkuttler | TheGrey: do you use gnome/kde? see if some esd/arts process is running |
| 11:46.52 | nkuttler | or pulseaudio |
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| 11:50.24 | nevyn | it's not |
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| 11:51.02 | nevyn | TheGrey: fuser /dev/snd/* |
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| 11:51.57 | TheGrey | nevyn: http://pastebin.com/UhPBbRKG |
| 11:52.35 | nevyn | so those are process id's |
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| 11:52.57 | nevyn | if you run ps -ef|grep 5540 you should find what's using the soundcard |
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| 11:55.02 | TheGrey | nevyn: right, that was blender, and i've closed it and now it works...why the hell would blender be picked up by ALSA!? |
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| 11:55.46 | nevyn | I think it can do animation type things and have sound in a storyboard type tuff. |
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| 11:56.23 | nevyn | TheGrey: ^^ |
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| 11:57.27 | tgs3 | I have printer working on computer A |
| 11:57.35 | tgs3 | how to allow computer B from lan to print using A computer |
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| 11:57.53 | ChrisH | tgs3: cups? |
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| 11:59.14 | TheGrey | nevyn: thanks..so ALSA can only connect to one program at a time?! |
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| 11:59.44 | nevyn | TheGrey: no.. but. |
| 11:59.54 | ccvvcc | /var/lib/dpkg/available vs status |
| 11:59.58 | ccvvcc | what are the differs? |
| 12:02.23 | nevyn | TheGrey: so it's complicated the usual configuration allows multiple apps to play audio using the dmix plugin to combine the multiple sources |
| 12:02.52 | Posterdati | please I've got problem with kde on wheezy: kwin freezes the session at login... |
| 12:03.04 | nevyn | however. if an app has special requirements (jack and some content creation apps) it can open the soundcard directly and bypass dmix |
| 12:03.27 | TheGrey | nevyn: so is that where the rationale for pulseaudio comes in? |
| 12:04.04 | nevyn | pulseaudio is orthoganal to this issue |
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| 12:04.12 | nevyn | it's a smarter/better/different dmix |
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| 12:04.44 | nevyn | dmix is fixed samplerate/format once configured and doesn't have per app volume |
| 12:04.50 | TheGrey | nevyn: right, so this device bused issue is like a bug/failure of the dmix plugin to do its job? |
| 12:04.56 | nevyn | no |
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| 12:05.14 | nevyn | device bused issue? |
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| 12:05.49 | TheGrey | nevyn: sorry, I meant "device busy" |
| 12:06.00 | nevyn | it's a greedy app that thinks it's more important than other apps |
| 12:06.34 | TheGrey | nevyn: right, so the problem is with the way the app pritoritises itself, not with the dmix? |
| 12:06.43 | nevyn | depending on what exactly it's doing it may be a bug or it could actually be required. |
| 12:06.57 | nevyn | so I don't know about blender |
| 12:07.17 | nevyn | but jack for example. the latency of dmix isn't acceptable for it's usecase |
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| 12:08.00 | nevyn | so it opens the soundcard directly |
| 12:08.11 | nevyn | TheGrey: ^^ |
| 12:08.25 | TheGrey | right but in order for me to use jack, can I use it for everything? Like iceweasel, and all my other programs? |
| 12:08.37 | nevyn | yesish... |
| 12:08.52 | nevyn | pulse may be a better fit. |
| 12:08.57 | nevyn | depends on your requirements |
| 12:08.58 | TheGrey | and if so, how can I specify which soundcard to use.because in ardour I can never mangae to record from my mixer in JACK. |
| 12:09.22 | nevyn | are we bugging people? is this OT? |
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| 12:09.34 | TheGrey | right, but with pulse, I keep getting buzzing and noise related issues |
| 12:09.55 | nevyn | did you configure it? |
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| 12:11.05 | TheGrey | i had no idea |
| 12:11.10 | TheGrey | ! |
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| 12:11.47 | Towzzer | oh, I get it, the grey from half life |
| 12:12.31 | nevyn | gandalf the grey? |
| 12:12.42 | nevyn | maybe I'm just showing my age tho |
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| 12:13.18 | Towzzer | I wasn't alive last year when the hobbit cam eout |
| 12:13.18 | Towzzer | <PROTECTED> |
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| 12:15.04 | Scall | Hello, I don't understand why usbmount mount automatically only NTFS pendrive and not ext3/ext4 formatted pendrive... this is my usbmount.conf ā http://paste.debian.net/233827/ - These are the directory permissions in /media/ where usbmount should mount the pendrives ā http://paste.debian.net/233828/ |
| 12:16.02 | Scall | any ideas? Thanks in advance |
| 12:17.10 | Scall | I can mount manually the ext3 or ext4 pendrive with pmount without problems |
| 12:18.04 | Leoneof | hello, i'm using jigdo to update ISOs, but i want to exclude filenames like *_dbg_*.deb , how ? |
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| 12:19.53 | DummyMode | hi guys |
| 12:20.20 | Towzzer | hey |
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| 12:20.58 | DummyMode | good morning.. |
| 12:21.02 | Phase4 | is there any way to verify an interfaces file prior to rebooting"? |
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| 12:22.07 | Phase4 | welp, here goes nothign |
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| 12:23.06 | Towzzer | phase, you can restart networking and see if everything works |
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| 12:27.17 | f8l | Leoneof: Why do you want to exclude some debs? |
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| 12:28.05 | f8l | Leoneof: And what do you mean by exclusion? |
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| 12:28.16 | Phase4 | Towzzer, too late, rebooted |
| 12:28.18 | Phase4 | worked |
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| 12:30.05 | Phase4 | whats with the random 'fopen: Permission denied' |
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| 12:30.19 | Towzzer | fopen is a function in php that opens a file |
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| 12:30.35 | Towzzer | maybe some php thing can't read a file based on the user the program is running under? |
| 12:30.40 | Phase4 | yes but unless apt-get is using php that doesnt apply :P |
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| 12:30.57 | claint | fopen is also in c. |
| 12:31.05 | Phase4 | Processing triggers for man-db ... |
| 12:31.05 | Phase4 | fopen: Permission denied |
| 12:31.16 | Phase4 | bah, headless server, if man breaks it breaks |
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| 12:32.51 | ChrisH | Phase4: can you reproduce the error using any command? |
| 12:33.21 | Phase4 | next time i run apt-get i'll capture it with strace |
| 12:33.33 | Phase4 | after i run apt-get to install strace |
| 12:33.35 | Phase4 | naturally |
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| 12:33.57 | ChrisH | Phase4: that was the intent of my question. do you use sudo apt* ? |
| 12:34.16 | Phase4 | no, root shell |
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| 12:34.33 | Phase4 | i did su from a normal user |
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| 12:34.54 | ChrisH | Phase4: OK. for me sudo apt-get install does not allways work |
| 12:35.07 | Phase4 | it works perfectly |
| 12:35.22 | Phase4 | theres just a random permisson denied error in the output |
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| 12:35.28 | S1lv3R | i need create an vHost sub.domain.net. I have create an new A Record with the new subdomain but when i open it in my Browser is the subdomain Redirected to the main Page. |
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| 12:35.53 | S1lv3R | /etc/apache2/sites-available/sub.domain.net was created and activated |
| 12:36.18 | shpank | you have to link it to sites-enabled |
| 12:36.52 | Towzzer | ln -s /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/sub.domain.net /etc/apache2/sites-available/sub.domain.net |
| 12:36.57 | Towzzer | service apache2 reload |
| 12:37.05 | Phase4 | 3105 open("/var/cache/man/3105", O_WRONLY|O_CREAT|O_TRUNC, 0666) = -1 EACCES (Permission denied) |
| 12:37.14 | Leoneof | f8l: files like *_dbg_* are big and useless for me, it's for debugging |
| 12:37.17 | S1lv3R | is a2ensite sub.domain.net the same?!? |
| 12:37.24 | Towzzer | yes |
| 12:37.47 | Phase4 | 3105 was a perl instance running some script provided via -e |
| 12:37.49 | Towzzer | on debian is the include in apache.conf *.conf or * for sites-enabled |
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| 12:37.51 | S1lv3R | Site sub.domain.net already enabled |
| 12:38.00 | S1lv3R | is linked |
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| 12:38.06 | Towzzer | did you restart apache? |
| 12:38.16 | S1lv3R | yes reload and restart |
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| 12:38.26 | Towzzer | show me the first line of the virtualhost |
| 12:38.31 | Scall | OK, I've solved: the problem was the FAT/NTFS specific options, that obviously don't works for ext3/4, so I remove them from my usbmount.conf and now it mount my ext3/4 pendrive correctly |
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| 12:38.55 | S1lv3R | Towzzer; <VirtualHost *:80> |
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| 12:39.09 | Towzzer | and server name? |
| 12:39.34 | S1lv3R | ServerName sub.domain.net |
| 12:39.34 | tgs3 | Phase4: do stat on that file, what rights? |
| 12:39.50 | tgs3 | Phase4: it isnt on read only partition or something? check mount look for ro, option. |
| 12:39.55 | Phase4 | cannot stat `/var/cache/man/3105': No such file or directory |
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| 12:40.08 | Towzzer | so when you go to the site, sub.domain.net it goes to your main page only? |
| 12:40.12 | tgs3 | Phase4: stat the dir |
| 12:40.14 | f8l | Leoneof: You can't modify an image with jigdo. |
| 12:40.16 | Towzzer | is that defined in another virtual host? |
| 12:40.20 | S1lv3R | Towzzer yes |
| 12:40.27 | S1lv3R | no |
| 12:40.30 | tgs3 | Phase4: /var/cache/man |
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| 12:40.48 | tgs3 | Phase4: it should be: Access: (2755/drwxr-sr-x) Uid: ( 6/ man) Gid: ( 0/ root) |
| 12:40.51 | S1lv3R | i have only default and sub.domain.net |
| 12:40.59 | Phase4 | http://pastie.org/6150760 |
| 12:41.11 | Phase4 | Uid root |
| 12:41.12 | Towzzer | can I see both config files in paste bin? |
| 12:41.16 | Phase4 | wonder how that got stuffed up |
| 12:41.26 | tgs3 | Phase4: maybe fix it manyally. you are on debian stable? |
| 12:41.33 | S1lv3R | Towzzer plz wait a sec i will pastebin it |
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| 12:41.33 | Phase4 | Oh, this root was copyed without preserving file permissons >_< |
| 12:41.42 | tgs3 | Phase4: problem solved \o/ |
| 12:41.44 | tgs3 | next! |
| 12:41.48 | Towzzer | cp -a :D |
| 12:41.53 | Towzzer | next phase! |
| 12:41.54 | Phase4 | tgs3, don't supose i can have apt repair the permissons |
| 12:42.09 | tgs3 | Phase4: I would just chown it into correct ones as abo e |
| 12:42.11 | Phase4 | i imagine more than one thing depends on a non 0 user id |
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| 12:42.40 | Grano | babilen: |
| 12:43.13 | S1lv3R | Towzzer; http://paste.debian.net/233836/ and http://paste.debian.net/233837/ |
| 12:43.24 | Phase4 | tgs3, doesn't really matter if i have to reinstall every package, there's not much installed, just don't want wrong permissons causeing issues later |
| 12:43.42 | tgs3 | Phase4: maybe google for debian fix rights chmod |
| 12:43.51 | tgs3 | Phase4: or for reinstall debian |
| 12:43.52 | tgs3 | !reinstall |
| 12:43.52 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, reinstall is aptitude reinstall '~i' ; or COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l | awk '/^[hi]i/{print $2}' | xargs apt-get -y --reinstall install, or dpkg --get-selections > my_packages.txt , then later, dpkg --set-selections < my_packages.txt && apt-get install . See also <aptitude clone>, <debian clone>. |
| 12:44.04 | Towzzer | can you throw in a servername s3system.net in that main config |
| 12:44.05 | Leoneof | f8l: ok, thanks |
| 12:44.10 | Towzzer | because everything else looks fine |
| 12:44.11 | tgs3 | Phase4: ^ and you might need to manually fix the most top level dirs |
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| 12:44.27 | Grano | can someone tell me which debian iso has wireles card drivers in it? |
| 12:45.13 | tgs3 | Grano: I would guess the first DVD of should.. |
| 12:45.39 | tgs3 | Grano: but I would give netinstall a shot too, it tests network early anywta |
| 12:45.41 | tgs3 | anyway |
| 12:45.59 | Grano | and which DE does it have? |
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| 12:46.12 | tgs3 | Grano: you can change it later. but gnome is default |
| 12:46.20 | shpank | Grano: your problem is probably not the wireless driver, but the firmware for the card |
| 12:46.38 | tgs3 | Grano: google debian <your card model |
| 12:46.39 | Grano | tgs3: thanks for the info |
| 12:46.40 | tgs3 | Grano: google debian <your card model> |
| 12:46.45 | Grano | shpank: yeah i think it is |
| 12:46.57 | Grano | i talked yesterday about my problem |
| 12:46.58 | tgs3 | or fight the power and use duckduckgo.com or ixquick.com instead google |
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| 12:47.08 | Grano | lol |
| 12:47.15 | shpank | every debian installer asks you if you would like to install the firmware from a second medium |
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| 12:47.16 | tgs3 | I skipped sugesion to use bing |
| 12:47.33 | shpank | if it detects a wireless card, of course |
| 12:47.48 | Grano | i think that it detects it |
| 12:47.57 | Grano | it shows that i have wlan0 |
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| 12:48.00 | Grano | but its off |
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| 12:48.05 | Grano | because it has no firmware |
| 12:48.09 | Towzzer | I have to head to work |
| 12:48.27 | Grano | i downloaded the liux drivers for my card |
| 12:48.38 | Grano | but im to stupid to install them |
| 12:49.14 | shpank | Grano: if you already have a running debian system, just install the firmware with apt-get |
| 12:49.35 | Grano | apt-get...? |
| 12:49.42 | Grano | i have no web connection on my debian |
| 12:49.49 | shpank | oh... |
| 12:49.51 | Grano | im curently on windows |
| 12:49.55 | Grano | :/ |
| 12:50.12 | S1lv3R | Towzzer thanks for your help its working now |
| 12:50.42 | shpank | just download the appropriate packages onto a thumb drive |
| 12:51.14 | shpank | and then install them using dpkg -i packagename.dev |
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| 12:51.16 | shpank | err |
| 12:51.16 | shpank | deb |
| 12:51.20 | Grano | a tar.gz file |
| 12:51.20 | Grano | ? |
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| 12:52.35 | Grano | ah i'll just download the newest dvd is |
| 12:52.46 | Grano | and hope that i get the firmware in it |
| 12:53.45 | babilen | Grano: I /already/ mentioned which image you need. Your problem is /not/ that the image does not contain drivers. (they are simply part of the kernel and you just need a recent enough kernel version) Your problem is that your hardware requires firmware which is /not/ part of the default images. |
| 12:54.27 | babilen | Grano: We do offer netinstall images with firmware and you can download it from: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/wheezy_di_beta4/amd64/iso-cd/ |
| 12:54.58 | Grano | which one should i download |
| 12:55.00 | Grano | the last one |
| 12:55.01 | Grano | ? |
| 12:55.52 | babilen | Grano: That requires that you /do/ have a working internet connection though. If you want to use DVD1 you can provide the firmware on a removable medium such as a USB stick. For that download the firmware file from http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/firmware/ and unpack it to a USB stick. You can find wheezy beta4 DVD images at http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
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| 12:56.59 | babilen | Grano: The DVD images (or the CD ones) do not contain firmware, but you can always download the packages and install them manually. That requires that you have some way to transfer files to your Debian system though. (e.g. an USB stick) |
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| 12:57.45 | babilen | Grano: My understanding was that you only have wireless network? Or can you connect via ethernet? |
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| 12:57.59 | Grano | yeah i can trasfer files to my debian now |
| 12:58.07 | Grano | but i dont know which file to download |
| 12:58.08 | Grano | http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/firmware/wheezy/20130107/ |
| 12:58.30 | Grano | is it the firmware.tar.gz file |
| 12:58.30 | Grano | ? |
| 12:58.46 | Grano | and yes i have only a wireless network |
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| 12:59.19 | ctmjr | Grano: yes |
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| 12:59.33 | babilen | Grano: And you do have a working USB stick? |
| 12:59.40 | Grano | yes |
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| 12:59.51 | Grano | im curently using it on this pc |
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| 13:00.05 | Grano | ctmjr: and how do i install the firmware |
| 13:00.06 | Grano | ? |
| 13:00.57 | babilen | Grano: Ok, you can do two things: 1. Use the netinstall image (iso) from http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/wheezy_di_beta4/amd64/iso-cd/ and configure your wireless network during the installation -- You /have/ to edit /etc/network/interfaces afterwards and remove the entries for wlan0 in this case. |
| 13:01.20 | babilen | Grano: Do you still plan to use XFCE? |
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| 13:01.31 | Grano | yeah |
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| 13:01.44 | Grano | its looks the best for me |
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| 13:01.55 | Grano | and its not ram heavy |
| 13:02.32 | Grano | babilen: i can download the firmware and put it on my pc with debian |
| 13:02.40 | Grano | but what do i have to do next? |
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| 13:02.54 | babilen | Grano: yeah, I understand, but please give me a minute so that I can provide reasonable suggestions |
| 13:03.07 | Grano | ok |
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| 13:08.10 | babilen | dpkg: tell Grano about install xfce |
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| 13:09.29 | babilen | *sigh* |
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| 13:10.16 | xD3q | Hello everyone. I am new to Linux and I am trying to "link" 2 folders : basically, I have an Apache server running, and what I would like to do, is to link my workspace with the /var/www/ directory, so I can work in my actual workspace. This linking should "resist" rebooting. I thought about a symlink, but I heard that it's not the best idea. A collegue told me about "loopback fs", but had to go so I did not really understand. What wo |
| 13:10.23 | Grano | i just accidentally closed my irc |
| 13:10.24 | Grano | lol |
| 13:10.55 | Grano | dpkg: thanks for the info but i can later install xfce |
| 13:10.55 | dpkg | Grano: sure thing |
| 13:11.23 | babilen | Grano: The alternative is to download http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/wheezy_di_beta4/amd64/iso-cd/debian-wheezy-DI-b4-amd64-xfce-CD-1.iso and http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/firmware/wheezy/current/firmware.zip -- Burn the former to a blank CD and unpack the latter to your USB stick |
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| 13:11.49 | Grano | i just want to know how to install the firmware on my already installed debian |
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| 13:12.03 | Grano | i just downloaded the firmware |
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| 13:12.11 | Grano | and i can get it on my debian |
| 13:12.24 | Grano | can i install it in there |
| 13:12.25 | Grano | ? |
| 13:12.25 | babilen | Grano: Then install Debian and provide the USB stick with firmware during the installation -- You will still have to edit /etc/network/interfaces after the installation, but you should have everything installed to be able to connect to the internet then |
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| 13:12.40 | babilen | Grano: You mean install it in your squeeze installation? |
| 13:12.48 | Grano | yeah |
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| 13:13.40 | babilen | Grano: I explained yesterday what you have to download for that and how to install it. Given that you would /still/ have to upgrade to wheezy after you've done that I simply think that installing wheezy from scratch is the best idea. |
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| 13:14.24 | jacksmithz | is there a list somewhere that lists the packages on the different debian install CDs/DVDs? |
| 13:14.29 | Grano | so i have to download http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/wheezy_di_beta4/amd64/iso-cd/debian-wheezy-DI-b4-amd64-xfce-CD-1.iso |
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| 13:14.51 | Grano | burn it to a disc |
| 13:14.59 | Grano | http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/firmware/wheezy/current/firmware.zip download this |
| 13:15.09 | Grano | and put it on a disc |
| 13:15.13 | Grano | usb* |
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| 13:15.55 | Grano | when during the installation does it install the firmware from the usb |
| 13:15.55 | Grano | ? |
| 13:15.58 | babilen | Grano: That is option 2, yeah. I think it is less hassle to simply use the netinst /with/ firmware and configure it to install XFCE (our bot sent you instructions on how to do it (/msg dpkg install xfce4)) |
| 13:16.43 | babilen | Grano: Ah, forget it ... Just do that! (use the xfce-CD-1.iso and provide firmware on the USB stick) |
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| 13:17.19 | eniac_petrov_ | hello |
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| 13:17.31 | Grano | ok |
| 13:17.33 | Grano | thank you |
| 13:17.34 | babilen | Grano: Don't forget to edit /etc/network/interfaces after the installation and remove all entries for wlan0 -- You can come here if you have problems with that. (I assume that you configure your wireless during the installation) |
| 13:17.51 | eniac_petrov_ | anyone with clustering experience? corosync, pacemaker, drbd, lcmc? |
| 13:18.08 | jacksmithz | the debian expert install let me choose if i want to use NTP for the clock, but what does the non-expert debian install choose by default? |
| 13:18.36 | TheWarden | Good morning. Does anyone know how to fix an error of this, "rm: cannot remove. read only file system."? I checked cat /proc/mounts and indeed my USB stick is set to rw. |
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| 13:19.37 | jelly | TheWarden: it depends on the actual reason why it's read-only. Which filesystem type is it? |
| 13:19.43 | TheWarden | I was hoping to fix this without having to format the USB flash drive as I have about 10 gigs on it. |
| 13:20.10 | ChrisH | TheWarden: pastebin to paste.debian.net the rm command, df -h , cat /proc/mounts and ls -l on the file you want to remove + dmesg |
| 13:20.16 | jelly | TheWarden: if it's ntfs, you'll have to install ntfs-3g and use that driver to mount it. |
| 13:20.20 | TheWarden | jelly: its saying vfat |
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| 13:20.54 | jelly | aight, follow what ChrisH just said |
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| 13:21.54 | TheWarden | ChrisH: okay, ahh why dmesg, I just mounted this now it's a usb flash drive and therefore it shouldn't show anything with the dmesg since the system was booted without it at boot time. |
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| 13:23.38 | ChrisH | TheWarden: because ro setting could be explained there. end of discussion |
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| 13:24.50 | TheWarden | ChrisH: oh okay than. |
| 13:25.27 | woshty | can i move single files preserving their complete path? |
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| 13:26.21 | TheWarden | argh how the hell do you get rm to send output to a file. I've done this before but not working > rm.txt |
| 13:27.03 | jelly | woshty: tar cf - foo/bar/baz/quux.txt | (cd /dest/in/ation; tar xfv -) |
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| 13:27.34 | jelly | woshty: but that's copying, not moving, so you have to delete the source afterwards as well |
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| 13:27.46 | TheWarden | never mind I got it |
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| 13:28.01 | jelly | TheWarden: what was the problem? |
| 13:28.40 | woshty | jelly: thx .. maybe he wants to redirect stderror? |
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| 13:29.21 | jelly | oh I thought he solved his more interesting issue |
| 13:29.23 | ChrisH | TheWarden: Simply excute the command and copy-paste all |
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| 13:30.41 | woshty | jelly: i was looking for something like the cp --parents option for mv |
| 13:30.43 | TheWarden | ChrisH: I am |
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| 13:33.11 | jelly | woshty: there's none that I know of |
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| 13:38.37 | n8w | hey guys |
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| 13:39.45 | n8w | do u guys know how to install libv4l on embedded lenny(2.6.30-voyage)? |
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| 13:40.27 | TheWarden | ChrisH: https://gist.github.com/anonymous/fd214cbc26e27cebf80f |
| 13:40.47 | n8w | im tyring to interface webcam via gspca, lsmod shows:gspca_main,uvcvideo,ftdi_sio,usbserial,ohci_hcd,ehci_hcd , thus the module should b loaded |
| 13:40.51 | TheWarden | ops I didn't post ls -al, one minute |
| 13:41.32 | jelly | TheWarden: doesn't matter. Your filesystem has errors and needs a fsck / chkdsk |
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| 13:42.44 | jelly | TheWarden: incidentally this information is visible... in dmesg output |
| 13:42.49 | TheWarden | jelly: okay, makes sense. I'll give that a try. |
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| 13:43.21 | TheWarden | jelly: yeah I saw that but I was told to post it... I never would have thought to check dmesg until ChrisH mentioned to do it. |
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| 13:44.39 | jelly | TheWarden: you can use dosfsck from Linux, available in Debian in dosfstools package |
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| 13:45.27 | TheWarden | jelly: ahh okay, thanks. |
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| 13:47.26 | ChrisH | TheWarden: therefore I asked for dmesg! the filesystem on sdb1 is corrupted |
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| 13:48.10 | ChrisH | TheWarden: line 679 [4109146.349065] File system has been set read-only |
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| 13:48.49 | TheWarden | ChrisH: yes I saw that but didn't understand the statement as it was set to rw as show in the /proc/mounts |
| 13:49.50 | jelly | TheWarden: /proc/mounts is more a declaration of intent, and error-remount-ro doesn't show in there |
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| 13:50.24 | TheWarden | jelly: oh interesting, thanks. |
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| 14:09.42 | bluenemo | hi guys. i'm on an lxc based debian (i think :) and lsof and netstat is not available. i want to start a ruby app and it gives me port already in use, although in ps aux there is not much (if you know lxc you know its mostly just 10 processes on it or so). any other way to see what program is using what port? |
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| 14:16.40 | ChrisH | bluenemo: you could check ls -l /proc/PID/fd but why not apt-get install lsof and/or net-tools ? |
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| 14:18.18 | jelly | bluenemo: do you have root? |
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| 14:19.53 | neon__ | is it ok to put swap on a file? |
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| 14:20.32 | neon__ | I mean... I know it should be OK, but maybe debian can't do it. |
| 14:21.58 | eth0ghost | I have heard of people doing it. I have never heard of anyone reputable doing it though. |
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| 14:22.33 | babilen | neon__: swapfiles are nothing too arcane, but you might want to use a dedicated volume-group/partition for it (cf. http://wiki.debian.org/Swap for example) |
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| 14:23.12 | neon__ | babilen, I don't have an other disk |
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| 14:23.49 | bluenemo | jelly, no |
| 14:23.51 | jelly | neon__: it's perfectly fine, has been since kernel 2.4 |
| 14:24.14 | bluenemo | i was just making my way through proc but i cant find anything sensefull.. |
| 14:24.16 | babilen | neon__: yeah, just go for a swap file then ... |
| 14:24.17 | neon__ | i'l try then |
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| 14:24.34 | jelly | bluenemo: they you can't see which processes from other users hold a port in use |
| 14:24.41 | jelly | then* |
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| 14:24.42 | neon__ | so how big should it be now adays 500gigs? |
| 14:24.51 | jelly | bluenemo: contact your sysadmin. |
| 14:25.06 | bluenemo | i'm the admin :) i contacted the next higher instances yes ;) |
| 14:25.29 | jelly | if you don't have access to root user, you're not the admin... |
| 14:25.32 | We2q | Hello, I need to bind 2 folders, and I would like it to resist rebooting. I did mount --bind folder1 folder2, which works, however the bind disappear after rebooting. How should I proceed for the mounting to be automatic at startup ? |
| 14:25.45 | bluenemo | that by definition is true, yes ;) |
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| 14:27.12 | neon__ | I'll go for 64gig |
| 14:27.50 | neon__ | do I need to defrag? |
| 14:28.16 | bluenemo | We2q, sounds liek a job for fstab |
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| 14:29.50 | babilen | neon__: 64gb swap is, well, very generous. You really don't need nearly as much. How much RAM do you have and do you hibernate? What else is running on that box? |
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| 14:30.02 | ns5 | how can I get source package of librime? |
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| 14:30.20 | tgs3 | ns5: normal apt-get source doesn't work? |
| 14:30.38 | babilen | (or debcheckout) |
| 14:30.39 | ns5 | tgs3: how can I get source package of librime-0.9.4? |
| 14:31.00 | ns5 | manually from debian website |
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| 14:31.15 | babilen | ns5: "apt-get source ... Why does it have to be manually? |
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| 14:31.43 | ns5 | babilen: cause right now I'm on a ubuntu. I want to download debian source package |
| 14:31.50 | tgs3 | http://packages.debian.org/sid/librime-dev ns5 |
| 14:31.55 | babilen | ns5: Well, if you insist: http://packages.debian.org/source/sid/librime |
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| 14:32.23 | tgs3 | ns5: there click sources on top and on next page download iles on bottom |
| 14:33.15 | ns5 | tgs3, babilen: thanks |
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| 14:33.45 | ns5 | tgs3: so there is no librime-...-src.deb? Only a dsc a orig.tar.gz and a debian.tar.gz? |
| 14:33.50 | We2q | bluenemo: Thanks :3 |
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| 14:36.48 | ns5 | where to find source files of librime-0.9.4? |
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| 14:39.15 | babilen | ns5: I already gave you the link |
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| 14:39.29 | neon__ | babilen, don't you remember me from yesterday? |
| 14:39.31 | ChrisH | ns5: on the page babilen mentioned you find http://code.google.com/p/rimeime/ as source page... but It is in japan or chinese or a simialr language |
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| 14:40.04 | ns5 | babilen: the link you gave me is 0.9.8 which is for unstable version |
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| 14:40.18 | ns5 | ChrisH: I want the debian packaging files of librime-0.9.4 |
| 14:40.24 | babilen | judd: v librime0 |
| 14:40.26 | judd | Package: librime0 on i386 -- sid: 0.9.4-1 |
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| 14:40.48 | babilen | judd: v librime0 --arch amd64 |
| 14:40.49 | judd | Package: librime0 on amd64 -- sid: 0.9.8-1 |
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| 14:41.38 | ns5 | ok maybe I should install debian and use apt-get source |
| 14:41.58 | ns5 | but there are so many dvd isos, do I really need to download all of them? |
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| 14:42.39 | babilen | ns5: Just checkout the git repository -- That is probably the easiest way. Or download it from http://snapshot.debian.org/package/librime/0.9.4-1/ (use "dget http://snapshot.debian.org/archive/debian/20120926T213601Z/pool/main/libr/librime/librime_0.9.4-1.dsc") |
| 14:42.49 | Grievre | so when you run apt-get dist-upgrade, it downloads /all/ of the packages it's installing, then installs them |
| 14:42.58 | Grievre | is there any way to tell it to download them one at a time? I have a severe space constraint |
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| 14:43.33 | babilen | ns5: And you don't have to download all the DVDs in order to install Debian. The entirety of the DVDs contain /all/ packages that are in Debian main. They are meant for people without an internet connection |
| 14:43.57 | ns5 | babilen: so only the first one? |
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| 14:44.13 | babilen | ns5: Do you have a working internet connection? |
| 14:44.25 | ns5 | babilen: yes but behind a proxy |
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| 14:44.57 | babilen | ns5: That is no problem -- How do you connect? (ethernet/wifi) What kind of hardware are you installing on? What will the computer be used for? |
| 14:45.08 | babilen | dpkg: tell ns5 -about netinst |
| 14:45.12 | babilen | dpkg: tell ns5 -about wheezy installer |
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| 14:45.24 | ns5 | babilen: I'll install it in a virtualbox guest |
| 14:45.31 | babilen | ns5: Grab images with firmware from http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/ |
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| 14:45.50 | babilen | ns5: What will it be used for? Do you know if you want squeeze or wheezy? |
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| 14:46.22 | ns5 | babilen: I use it to learn debian packaging. I want to learn it. The stable version would be good for me |
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| 14:47.12 | babilen | ns5: Well, given that we will release wheezy soon I would recommend to simply use that. You can, however, also work on Ubuntu and use cowbuilder to build your packages for Debian. |
| 14:47.56 | babilen | ns5: I'd just grab the netinst beta4 installer with firmware from http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/wheezy_di_beta4/amd64/iso-cd/ |
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| 14:49.42 | ns5 | babilen: Thanks! I think I can just a wheezy beta 4. Thank you for your help |
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| 14:50.54 | gilbahat | Hi, quick question, has anyone had any luck with the samba4 beta packages? |
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| 14:53.50 | babilen | ns5: You are welcome, have fun! :) |
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| 15:14.45 | abcdefg_ | is kickstart also made for debian? |
| 15:14.55 | abcdefg_ | is preseed the best way for bootstrapping a debian installation? |
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| 15:25.37 | abrotman | abcdefg_: i believe kickstart is out there, but we have preseed and FAI and dphys may still be active |
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| 15:26.05 | smhar | I have a debian wheezy laptop. I downloaded, compiled vanilla kernel 3.7.5 using make-kpkg -j4 --initrd kernel_image kernel_headers . and installed using dpkg -i kernel.deb header.deb |
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| 15:26.34 | abrotman | !win smhar |
| 15:26.34 | dpkg | Congratulations, smhar! You have won the US presidency! |
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| 15:27.48 | smhar | abrotman, wait. I still did not complete explaining my problem. I just did not want to put a very long post :-) |
| 15:28.00 | smhar | but I am not able to run virtualbox |
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| 15:29.06 | smhar | I did m-a but it failed because 'headers not found' errors |
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| 15:30.40 | smhar | /var/lib/dkms/virtualbox/4.1.18/build/make.log : http://paste.debian.net/233868/ |
| 15:31.41 | abrotman | smhar: symlink missing? |
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| 15:32.17 | abrotman | smhar: also, it's entirely possible that vbox won't work with that kernel |
| 15:32.32 | smhar | abrotman, I downloaded worked with the sources in ~/Desktop/kernel then dpkg -i as root |
| 15:32.43 | babilen | smhar: module-assistant has been more or less deprecated in favour of DKMS and make-kpkg is also slightly obsoletel. Apart from that you can install a 3.7 kernel easily from experimental. It might very well be that vbox doesn't work with 3.7 too |
| 15:33.07 | babilen | smhar: See http://kernel-handbook.alioth.debian.org/ch-common-tasks.html for information on how to build a kernel |
| 15:33.53 | babilen | smhar: Oh and also "/msg dpkg vbox-install wheezy" and check the 3.7 kernel in experimental. Why do you need 3.7? Why do you have to compile it yourself? |
| 15:34.03 | Arxa | Hi everyone. I am trying to install Python 2.7 on my Debian 6, however I am struggling with Python 2.6, which is already installed on my system. The 2.7 installation worked fine, however /usr/bin/python is 2.6, while /usr/local/bin/python is 2.7. The problem is that I am trying to install python packages and they see that my current Python is 2.6 (/usr/bin is getting checked). SO basically, how can I do for my python to be 2.7 ? a sym |
| 15:34.43 | babilen | Arxa: I would strongly recommend to simply remove /usr/bin/local/python (so you /have/ to call python2.7 directly) |
| 15:34.48 | Arxa | (PS : I don't have any access to the internet, so I am all working with the .deb packages) |
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| 15:35.16 | Arxa | babilen: The problem is that 2.7 is on my /usr/local/bin, and it's the one I want to use ^^ |
| 15:35.32 | jordanm | Arxa, the deb packages are hard-coded to by for 2.6, you will need to install 2.7 modules manually |
| 15:35.34 | babilen | Arxa: Furthermore: 1. Use stow to manage installations to /usr/local (see "/msg dpkg stow" and "/msg dpkg stow usage") 2. I would recommend to manage manual Python module installations with virtualenvs and pip |
| 15:35.43 | _tremo | does python use alternatives? if so: update-alternatives --config python |
| 15:36.21 | jordanm | _tremo, no, changing the default python is not supported |
| 15:36.29 | _tremo | what a pity. |
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| 15:36.49 | somiaj | ,check-backport python2.7 |
| 15:36.58 | babilen | Arxa: You can also use PEP 370 compliant installations to the per-user site-packages and call setup.py with python2.7 -- You might have to adapt the wrappers in virtualenvwrapper to seamlessly handle 2.7 if you want that |
| 15:36.59 | judd | Backporting package python2.7 in sidāsqueeze/i386: unsatisfiable build dependencies: Build-Depends: libtinfo-dev, libexpat1-dev (>= 2.1), libdb5.1-dev. |
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| 15:37.06 | jordanm | most distros don't support it, the only exceptions I know of are arch and gentoo, more hobbyist |
| 15:37.23 | jtheuer | hey, what is the correct way to prevent a service from starting after booting? (I just removed all symlinks in /etc/rcX.d/) |
| 15:37.31 | jtheuer | I want to keep the kill scripts |
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| 15:37.44 | babilen | Arxa: btw, is this your personal development box? |
| 15:38.06 | _tremo | jtheuer: update-rc.d |
| 15:38.19 | somiaj | Arxa: Was hoping you could backport python2.7 but doesn't appear to be the case without messing with other depends. Note look into the alterntaives system (man update-alternatives). You should be able to set your local install of python as the alternative. (note this could cause issues with debian things that depend on python if they use 2.6 stuff that won't work in 2.7) |
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| 15:38.45 | babilen | would strongly advise against changing the system's default Python |
| 15:38.58 | jtheuer | _tremo: I don't get the syntax... remove is wrong as I want to keep the kill links.. so? |
| 15:39.02 | Arxa | All my packages still require python 2.7 :/ |
| 15:39.31 | babilen | Arxa: Just use virtualenv, virtualenvwrapper + pip |
| 15:39.37 | somiaj | hmm, it seems that python doesn't use the alternative system anyways (at least here on my sid box) |
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| 15:39.46 | babilen | no, and rightfully so |
| 15:40.47 | babilen | Arxa: You might want to adapt the virtualenvwrapper to allow you to choose between 2.6 and 2.7 maybe ... That way you can easily create virtualenvs with 2.7 for your local installation. |
| 15:40.57 | babilen | Arxa: But once again: Is this for your personal development box? |
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| 15:41.13 | _tremo | jtheuer: remove all, and then add stops for the runlevels? |
| 15:41.31 | Arxa | It is yes |
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| 15:42.43 | somiaj | Arxa: would wheezy work for this personal box? It dosen't have security support yet but it will be stable "soon" |
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| 15:43.02 | babilen | Arxa: In that case you might want to consider to upgrade to wheezy (the procedure is detailed in http://www.debian.org/releases/wheezy/amd64/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html) -- After you've done that you can easily install python2.7 from the repositories (and plenty of other pacakges) -- That still doesn't change the fact that you should consider working in virtualenvs and use pip for installations therein (but that is rather a topic for ... |
| 15:43.05 | somiaj | Arxa: though that may just give you another can of worms to play with over messing with a local install of python. |
| 15:43.08 | babilen | ... #python than #debian) |
| 15:44.19 | babilen | Either way: DO NOT manually install Python packages (i.e. those from the cheeseshop) to system-managed locations. Simply use virtualenv or if that is for some reason not wanted /at least/ PEP 370 --user installations |
| 15:44.33 | babilen | (but discuss your options in #python) |
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| 15:58.29 | w0rm-_x | hi |
| 15:59.04 | w0rm-_x | I have trying to get a sound out of my audio device with no progress, will appreciate any help. |
| 16:00.41 | smhar | abrotman, babilen, virtualbox works now. I followed this page but with latest packages |
| 16:00.51 | smhar | thanks everybody |
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| 16:06.24 | Argafal | is there a way to ask aptitude for a list of the packages that have not been used within the last x months (including dependencies)? |
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| 16:09.30 | austinium | hi, I installed Debian Testing, how do i get my printer to work with it? would installing CUPS be enough? |
| 16:09.48 | austinium | i have a network printer (HP) |
| 16:10.06 | digdilem | austinium, CUPS is certainly the starting place. |
| 16:10.11 | digdilem | and hp are generally well supported |
| 16:10.29 | austinium | currently it says something about the printing related service not being installed |
| 16:10.56 | ChrisH | austinium: cups reduces the pain to get a printer to work. |
| 16:10.58 | digdilem | google the exact message, probably find solutions that way. then if you're really stuck ask in here with specific info |
| 16:11.27 | ChrisH | austinium: apt-get install cups should work for you |
| 16:11.44 | austinium | sure, i'll do just that :) I am not at that PC at the moment...hope CUPS fixes it |
| 16:11.47 | Argafal | digdilem: i don't know anything about your setup, but starting by installing cups osunds good. there might be some gui offered, but you can also point a browser at localhost:631 to get to the cups configuration. |
| 16:12.03 | digdilem | Argafal, wrong guy :) |
| 16:12.10 | Argafal | sorry, I meant austinium |
| 16:12.13 | Argafal | digdilem: ;) |
| 16:12.21 | digdilem | :) |
| 16:12.27 | austinium | thanks everyone :) |
| 16:12.37 | austinium | when is Testing going stable? |
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| 16:12.50 | ChrisH | austinium: after installing cups, check aptitude search hplip if that is installed already. depending on the printer it might makes things easier to add this package |
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| 16:13.15 | austinium | ok chirsh |
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| 16:14.30 | ChrisH | austinium: testing will never be stable. wheezy will become the new stable when its done.... :) This will be in X days... No idea what X is. |
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| 16:16.34 | smhar | if I want to print to network shared windows printer using my debian wheazy, does it matter if the printer is not supported by linux? |
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| 16:17.36 | austinium | hi, i know this is a bit off topic...but it would be nice to hear your opinions on this...what would be a better option, UTM or Firewall+IPS? |
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| 16:18.34 | ChrisH | smhar: from Wheezy side it does not matter, because I assume cups will send Postscript. But I am pretty unsure what Windows does to PS. I remember that the the past windows tended to print the PS Sourcecode as text. You need to test. What printer is it? |
| 16:18.48 | possibility | if I copy a file while it's being written to, it won't interrupt the write process, will it? |
| 16:19.34 | ChrisH | possibility: this is no problem for the original file. But the copy could/can/will be inconsistent |
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| 16:20.01 | possibility | ChrisH: thanks, that won't be a problem in this case, and I anticipated that :) |
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| 16:22.58 | eniac | I'm having some issues getting my wifi to work. I've read somewhere that changes the mode could offer a solution. Disabling the n mode, of bgn is what I would like to accomplish. But I can't find out how to do this ? |
| 16:23.52 | w0rm-_x | I have switched from Ubuntu to Debian, when first installed Debian I could not get any sound out of my sound device, how do I go configuring the sound card I'm new to Debian. |
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| 16:24.19 | eniac | w0rm-_x: http://wiki.debian.org/SoundConfiguration |
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| 16:25.46 | w0rm-_x | eniac, my device sound is not listed in debian devices database, so don't know how to get the kernel working with it. |
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| 16:26.53 | eniac | w0rm-_x: do you know the driver name on ubuntu or some other system ? |
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| 16:27.02 | smhar | ChrisH, I do not remember. it is our office multi function printer / copier . it is connected to a windows pc. no ethernet. that pc is sharing the printer to an all windows network through a switch/router. I am the only linux device connected to the network through eth |
| 16:27.35 | w0rm-_x | eniac, well in Ubuntu it worked fine without any configuration. when I run the command lsusb in Debian it shows my sound device with the right informations. |
| 16:28.37 | ivh | Hi. Is there an installation image that starts by configuring the network and allow ssh in from the local network? I have no screen to plug into the box I want to install. |
| 16:29.29 | w0rm-_x | eniac, however my device is not listed in http://wiki.debian.org/DeviceDatabase/USB |
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| 16:30.04 | w0rm-_x | so I cannot tell with module to install in order to make my sound device work. |
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| 16:33.53 | jacksmithz | what is the default debconf priority in the non-expert debian installer? and what is the default debconf priority in the expert debian installer? |
| 16:33.56 | KsM | heh, my pci id isn't on that list either |
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| 16:34.10 | KsM | w0rm-_x: you could just google the pci id and see if you get a module name |
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| 16:35.30 | w0rm-_x | KsM, by id do you mean "The 4 last hexadecimal digits are the Device ID" |
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| 16:37.03 | mms_ | I have connectify hotspot and my android phone is able to connect to it fine. The debian hp mini netbook how do I connect it to hotspot ? I tried in UI Create New Wireless Network but it does not connect. |
| 16:37.24 | KsM | w0rm-_x: like, `lspci -vvnn | grep -i audio` and the entire 8 hex digits given from that |
| 16:37.58 | KsM | like, this is mine https://encrypted.google.com/search?q=%228086%3A3b56%22 |
| 16:38.50 | w0rm-_x | KsM, got it thanks |
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| 16:42.10 | w0rm-_x | KsM actually I only changed /usr/share/alsa/alsa.conf to my audio device and it worked like magic :D |
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| 16:44.49 | mms_ | its hp mini 1030 nr |
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| 16:53.48 | eth0ghost | exit |
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| 16:54.25 | linuxgecko | anyone active?? i need help with a really odd problem. |
| 16:55.07 | digitrig | so I thought I installed mysql but it wouldn't start. went to /etc/init.d and it was there as some kind of mysql.new.dpkg... I did an apt-get --purge mysql-server and it went away, but when I apt-get install'd it again, nothing shows up in ini.d and I still can't start the mysql server (not recognized)... anyone? |
| 16:55.33 | linuxgecko | i need to use a fifo/named pipe as a buffer.. so i need a way to remove data permanently from the pipe.. how do i do that?? |
| 16:56.16 | ksk | digitrig take a look at all mysql-server-* packages, not just the one you named (config, initscripts etc might come from another package, eg -common) |
| 16:56.39 | themill | dpkg: tell digitrig about confmiss |
| 16:56.52 | jacksmithz | do debian by default use NTP to set the clock? |
| 16:57.05 | themill | digitrig: you have to operate on the right package to get the init script back |
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| 16:57.28 | ksk | jacksmithz: its not installed by default iirc |
| 16:57.30 | digitrig | ksk, how would I do that? |
| 16:57.40 | ksk | digitrig: see what dpkg told you |
| 16:57.45 | digitrig | themill and how do I know which one is the right package, where is it? |
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| 16:59.30 | jacksmithz | so when i use the expert debian installer, and it ask me if i want to set the clock using NTP, DOES it only use the NTP servers that single time, and then never agian untill i install ntp myself? |
| 16:59.31 | themill | digitrig: apt-file is your friend (or you could /msg judd file init.d/mysql) |
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| 17:01.15 | digitrig | themill apt-file returns command nort found |
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| 17:01.24 | themill | dpkg: tell digitrig about apt-file |
| 17:01.38 | Orbitrix | more like durrbian am i right guys? |
| 17:01.46 | digitrig | themill oh ok I have to install it |
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| 17:04.13 | Ruint | is it possible to dist-upgrade from debian squeeze to crunchbang statler ? |
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| 17:04.43 | daemonkeeper | That you should ask in a Crunchbang channel. |
| 17:05.05 | digitrig | after aptitude install apt-file, still command not found... |
| 17:05.33 | digitrig | http://pastebin.com/EmHJurHM |
| 17:06.19 | themill | digitrig: hmm... what interesting mixture of what releases do you have there? |
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| 17:07.02 | digitrig | themill a bit much is it? (first linux build) |
| 17:07.21 | jacksmithz | do the non-expert debian installer, use NTP to set the clock? |
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| 17:07.41 | themill | digitrig: well, no installation of any debian release will look like that unless you do something nasty to it. |
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| 17:08.50 | digitrig | themill well, I don't recall ever having a rage fit and randomly installing packages... could it just be a culmination of all the packages i've installed? which is much less than the number of apps on my win pc? |
| 17:09.04 | digitrig | or have I just been installing wrong with apt-get? |
| 17:09.21 | themill | no... can you pastebin the output of "apt-cache policy libc6 apt dpkg perl; apt-cache policy" for me? |
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| 17:10.45 | digitrig | themill http://pastebin.com/ikxxT1jM |
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| 17:11.46 | themill | digitrig: was this a really old wheezy installer that you used? ("old" meaning "12 to 18 months old") |
| 17:11.51 | Quest | how to delete all files in a folder and its subfolders that match this pattern *_1.* ? |
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| 17:12.28 | ksk | Quest: -> #bash |
| 17:12.32 | Quest | ok |
| 17:12.37 | digitrig | themill I did first set up the server about a year ago... maybe more I think but it only served as a HTPC up until some months ago... |
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| 17:13.15 | themill | digitrig: yeah, so you need to "apt-get dist-upgrade" by the looks of things |
| 17:13.33 | digitrig | themill ok I'll try that thank you |
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| 17:32.31 | jcapik1 | Hello everyone. |
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| 17:33.00 | jcapik1 | Anybody having some experience with fakeroot troubleshooting? |
| 17:33.02 | VulcanRidr | hi jcapik1 |
| 17:33.14 | VulcanRidr | Same thing I'm here for. :) |
| 17:33.45 | jcapik1 | VulcanRidr: :] what's your problem with fakeroot? |
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| 17:34.23 | VulcanRidr | http://pastebin.com/3BjG1x1e Trying to build a new(er) version of torque, and it gets to the end and does that. |
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| 17:35.09 | jtmc | Hello, i need help |
| 17:35.10 | jtmc | please |
| 17:35.25 | tharkun | !ask |
| 17:35.26 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 17:35.43 | zykotick9 | VulcanRidr: your "newer version ... in the repos for precise.." suggests you should be asking for assistance in #ubuntu. |
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| 17:36.22 | jtmc | I've installed Debian 6.0.6 amd64 , and when i had installed ATI CATALYST drivers, when i start my PC I Show the message: OUT of RANGE |
| 17:36.39 | VulcanRidr | zykotick9: I tried. No answer. I figured since it was a deb building problem, I would ask here. (Always had better luck on #debian than #ubuntu) |
| 17:36.52 | jcapik1 | VulcanRidr: pastebin seems to be overloaded |
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| 17:37.29 | jtmc | someone help me?.. |
| 17:37.38 | mms_ | how to get wifi working on hp mini 1030 nr ? |
| 17:37.53 | mms_ | its says network is down. |
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| 17:38.08 | jcapik1 | zykotick9: does it mean I should ask in #ubuntu too ? |
| 17:38.25 | zykotick9 | jcapik1: if you're using ubuntu, YES |
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| 17:38.31 | alexwaters | http://stackoverflow.com/questions/14859570/daemonize-web-py-python-application-in-debian-6-06 |
| 17:39.02 | jtmc | please help-.. SOMEONE |
| 17:39.23 | jcapik1 | zykotick9: I don't ... I have my own distro and need to speak with the fakeroot devels ..... Clint Adams or Timo Savola .... probably |
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| 17:39.59 | yashi | ive got some serious noise issues with my mic... I tried everything in alsamixer -v=all. any ideas? (ALC889A) |
| 17:40.01 | jcapik1 | zykotick9: and sending emails is "too offline" for me :D |
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| 17:41.06 | jtmc | please help me with out of range error |
| 17:41.11 | zykotick9 | jcapik1: if you've "made your own distro" i don't see why debian people would want to help you... duplication of efforts on there part. why "roll you own" distro, when there is debian? good luck with whatever it is your doin'. |
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| 17:42.06 | jtmc | fuck all.. debian support sucks |
| 17:42.47 | jcapik1 | zykotick9: c'mon ... you're not serious, right? |
| 17:42.48 | jacksmithz | haha |
| 17:42.52 | yashi | :D |
| 17:43.54 | jcapik1 | zykotick9: I contribute to fedora, mageia and cooperate with debian devels |
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| 17:44.07 | jcapik1 | zykotick9: it's not a duplication |
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| 17:46.04 | zykotick9 | jcapik1: ok, then see "/msg dpkg based on debian" if you prefer that route. if it's not even based on debian, and your fedora/mageia comment suggest it isn't. why ask for debian devels help. if they want to help you - great. all power to ya. |
| 17:46.06 | jcapik1 | zykotick9: distro maintainers can learn from each other |
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| 17:50.37 | peterrooney | "What a maroon." |
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| 17:53.42 | eggi67 | what application i need to see .epub files? |
| 17:53.48 | Iridos | peterrooney, 5? |
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| 17:54.10 | Iridos | eggi67, pretty much any ebook-reader... for example fbreader |
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| 17:55.37 | eggi67 | Iridos, ok ty. What this epub format have different from pdf? I mean why we need it? |
| 17:56.44 | Iridos | eggi67, epub is basically... zipped html plus some meta-info. Totally different from pdf, which defines one specific way a page looks |
| 17:56.53 | Walex | eggi67: ask the ebook people... |
| 17:57.15 | eggi67 | ok, ty |
| 17:57.29 | Walex | eggi67: originally ebook formats were defined to embed stricter rights management than PDF... |
| 17:58.27 | Walex | also, just as there are dozens of geeks who wrote their own text editor because they wanted it done their way, there are several ebook formats. |
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| 18:00.36 | Iridos | eggi67, oh and/or: apt-cache search epub |
| 18:01.12 | Iridos | (or apt-cache search epub reader ) |
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| 18:03.38 | eggi67 | Iridos, i installed FBreader since it seems to be the smallest, it works. |
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| 18:04.30 | tharkun | bluetoothd was installed on vm on the basic install. How can I find out who installed it? |
| 18:05.15 | zykotick9 | tharkun: "aptitude why bluetoothd" |
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| 18:05.39 | zykotick9 | tharkun: oh do you mean who installed it? or what package? |
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| 18:06.08 | tharkun | zykotick9: Actually I meant what package installed it. Sorry for the ambiguity. |
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| 18:06.23 | zykotick9 | tharkun: "aptitude why bluetoothd" then |
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| 18:06.59 | Iridos | only that he package name is bluez... |
| 18:07.05 | zykotick9 | tharkun: is that the package name? |
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| 18:07.21 | Iridos | dpkg, tell tharkun about apt-file |
| 18:07.56 | jacksmithz | using the debian 6.0.6 expert installer, in the "detect and mount CD-ROM" step, the "modules to load" screen asks me if i want to load the module "usb-storage (USB storage)". What does this module do? and what happends if I do not load it? |
| 18:08.04 | Iridos | tharkun, that one find any file in any package in the repo. in this case you could also have used dpkg -S or dlocate |
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| 18:08.11 | zykotick9 | tharkun: Iridos' apt-file is the better solution. but if you know that path to bluethoothd you can try "dpkg -S /path" |
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| 18:08.23 | jeuk | after distro upgrqade still can't install mysql (it seems like it installs but nothing sows up at init.d and I can't start the service)... |
| 18:08.39 | jeuk | cat /etc/partitions |
| 18:08.44 | jeuk | oops |
| 18:08.54 | jeuk | themill was there something to do after the upgrade? |
| 18:09.07 | ArchRatio | My Debian keeps freezing. It often happens when I do some something like sudo make install or anything with apt-get. I use XFCE. |
| 18:09.14 | ArchRatio | I have installed all GPU drivers, it seems. |
| 18:09.34 | jeuk | it seems like I need to remove any instances of mysql and then try the install, but I don't know how to get everything....? |
| 18:09.44 | ArchRatio | Or at least, I have installed fglrx. |
| 18:10.22 | Iridos | ArchRatio, check the output of "dmesg" for any errors that might be related. |
| 18:11.09 | ArchRatio | There was some way you could save the output of a command in a program, what was it again? |
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| 18:11.42 | ArchRatio | Never mind, found it out. |
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| 18:11.48 | tharkun | Iridos: Thanks the real problem is that it all leads to gnome-desktop-environment and I can't uninstall gnome-bluetooth without breaking it |
| 18:12.21 | Iridos | jeuk, how does "it seems like it installs" look like? (perhaps paste the command you use to install and the output into a pastebin... and/or the output of dpkg -l mysql\* ) |
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| 18:13.11 | zykotick9 | tharkun: if it's part of gnome, i'd just leave it. the space saved won't make up for the time spent trying to remove it. fyi, you will need to manually mark packages in order to "break" the meta package. |
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| 18:13.41 | Iridos | yeah... I also wondered why you want to remove it |
| 18:13.53 | jeuk | iridos, I lost it in the terminal (ssh) but let me try again and pastebin it |
| 18:14.03 | Walex2 | tharkun: if you *really* want to remove it without formally breaking 'gnome-desktop-environment' you could use 'equivs' to create a fake package. |
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| 18:14.29 | Iridos | "that sounds like fun" |
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| 18:15.19 | Walex2 | tharkun: however, 'gnome-desktop-environment' is a metapackage, so you could could remove it after switching its dependencies from auto to manual, e.g. using 'aptitude' "m"/"M" command. |
| 18:15.53 | Walex2 | ArchRatio: there are several ways. One is to use 'script'. |
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| 18:16.14 | jeuk | Iridos http://pastebin.com/UqhPjyHR |
| 18:16.21 | ArchRatio | I already used the way using the '> operator'. Not sure if it can be called an 'operator'. Probably not. |
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| 18:17.31 | tharkun | Walex2: gnome installed a lot of stuff that is really not needed on a Virtual environment. And believe me it ends up adding quite some ram and cpu power. |
| 18:17.36 | ArchRatio | Iridos: http://pastebin.com/QE3FvWH0 |
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| 18:18.08 | ArchRatio | Iridos: Pastebin of dmesg output. I have no idea what to make of this. CTRL+F 'error' gave one result, which was not an error message. |
| 18:19.10 | zykotick9 | tharkun: another fyi, assuming you are using gnome2 there are actually 3 metapackages involved, that you'll need to change from auto to manual: gnome, gnome-core, gnome-desktop-enviornment. |
| 18:19.25 | Iridos | ArchRatio, it's all kinds of messages from all kinds of things... interesting message should appear at the same time as the freezes... |
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| 18:20.22 | ArchRatio | Iridos: There seem to be no timestamps. How do I know what messages appear at the time of freezing? |
| 18:20.33 | Iridos | ArchRatio, (if there are any)... what you pasted looks like messages from boot-up after a crash |
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| 18:21.24 | ArchRatio | I always force shutdown when it happens. |
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| 18:21.59 | ArchRatio | So what I have here is only the bootup from after the crash? |
| 18:22.05 | Iridos | oh, with freezes, you mean the whole system becomes unaccessible? |
| 18:22.07 | ArchRatio | 'Crash'. |
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| 18:22.31 | ArchRatio | I can't do anything. Mouse stops responding, cursor in terminal stops blinking, keyboard presses do not result in anything. That's what I mean. |
| 18:22.32 | Iridos | yes... dmesg ist just a ring-buffer filled with the latest messages after reboot |
| 18:22.54 | jelly-home | ArchRatio: does it respond to ping? |
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| 18:23.15 | Towzzer | there is a new version of dmesg that contains the time with the switch -T |
| 18:23.36 | jelly-home | Towzzer: the timestamps become useless after the first suspend and resume |
| 18:23.44 | ArchRatio | jelly-home: What do you mean with 'ping'? |
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| 18:23.53 | Towzzer | jelly-home , why? |
| 18:24.12 | jelly-home | ArchRatio: can you ping your "frozen" debian system from a different machine on the same network? |
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| 18:25.10 | ArchRatio | I have one computer on the same network, a desktop running Windows 7, but I don't know how I would ping this one. I have never dug deeper into networking than strictly necessary to get a working wireless connection and to install Debian over ethernet. |
| 18:25.32 | jelly-home | ArchRatio: next time, take notice of the linux machine ip address. |
| 18:26.11 | ArchRatio | jelly-home: Next time I do what? |
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| 18:26.26 | jelly-home | ArchRatio: next time you restart it |
| 18:26.26 | Iridos | ArchRatio, you get that with /sbin/ifconfig (the interface that is not "lo"). something like inet addr:192.168.2.101 |
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| 18:27.12 | jelly-home | Towzzer: the reason is described in the manual for dmesg, I believe |
| 18:27.30 | ArchRatio | Iridos: I can get to /sbin, but it says it can't find the /ifconfig directory, and I don't see it when I ls either. |
| 18:27.57 | Iridos | ? |
| 18:28.04 | paco1 | hello masters! |
| 18:28.05 | jelly-home | ArchRatio: /sbin/ifconfig is the full path to the command. Just type exactly that. |
| 18:28.16 | Iridos | ArchRatio, you just call from the commandline: /sbin/ifconfig |
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| 18:29.25 | ArchRatio | Oh wait, ifconfig is not a directory. |
| 18:29.37 | paco1 | i have problems to configure ldap-client on squeeze. If someone have a right doc? thanks in advance! |
| 18:29.58 | d3b14n | hello, i try to install debian with windows (win sda ; deb sdb). debian boot correctly but when i try to boot windows, i get the message "invalid efi file path". Can anyone help me? |
| 18:30.59 | jhutchins_wk | paco1: http://wiki.debian.org/LDAP http://scratchpad.wikia.com/wiki/Ldap |
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| 18:31.31 | d3b14n | Linux debian 3.2.0-4-amd64 |
| 18:31.35 | ArchRatio | Iridos: I suppose you mean 'inet addr:192.168.2.5' under 'wlan0' |
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| 18:32.57 | jelly-home | ArchRatio: yes, 192.168.2.5 is the current ip address |
| 18:33.03 | ArchRatio | Alright, |
| 18:33.07 | Iridos | ArchRatio, right. if you open a terminal on your windows machine, you can do "ping 192.168.2.5". |
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| 18:33.19 | ArchRatio | So to do that, I'll first have Debian freeze... |
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| 18:33.41 | ArchRatio | I am going to run this script which configures, makes, and makes installs some things, which caused my last freeze. |
| 18:33.54 | ArchRatio | If it succeeds, great, if it freezes, I'll have an opportunity for pinging. |
| 18:34.11 | jelly-home | ArchRatio: a better idea would be to install openssh-server on the machine |
| 18:34.36 | ArchRatio | jelly-home: What does openssh-server do? |
| 18:34.51 | jelly-home | ArchRatio: thus, if its network still work and it's just the GUI that's broken, you'd be able to connect remotely with an ssh client like putty |
| 18:35.18 | KsM | if you install ssh on the linux machine, and a windows machine is the only other you have, you'd have to install putty on the windows machine |
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| 18:35.32 | KsM | so maybe telnet instead? |
| 18:35.39 | jelly-home | KsM: no |
| 18:36.16 | ArchRatio | Apparently openssh-server was already installed. |
| 18:36.34 | jelly-home | recent windows installations have no telnet clieny available by default, KsM |
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| 18:36.40 | Iridos | it often is :) |
| 18:36.45 | KsM | oh |
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| 18:37.33 | ArchRatio | So what I do now is freeze on purpose, which should not be too hard if I try repeatedly, and ping, right? Or do I have to do anything with openssh-server first? |
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| 18:38.14 | jelly-home | ArchRatio: try logging in from the windows machine right now while debian works |
| 18:38.40 | ArchRatio | jelly-home: All right, be right back. |
| 18:39.26 | haylo | anyone experienced with aes encryption from the initrd ? Id like to make a simple debootstrap + aes encryption. This is done with losetup -e AES256 partition .. ? Also I would prefer thge initrd to prompt me for a passphrase, instead of just searching for aes keys |
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| 18:42.07 | haylo | seems like the whole thing is done by making a key and sticking it in key folder, but i dont quite understand the role of some tools like uuenecode from shar utils |
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| 18:45.24 | Walex | haylo: your seem to want to use 'loop-AES' which is a very good choice and there are extensive HOWTOs on setting it up. |
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| 18:46.15 | Walex | haylo: it is not entirely trivial if you want to encrypt the '/' filetree too, but the HOWTO shows even that. |
| 18:47.52 | Walex | haylo: what the 'loop-AES' suggests to do is to create an encryption key which is a large binary number, and then to encrypt *that* with a shorter passphrase so you can remember it better than the large binary number. |
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| 18:49.07 | max68it2000 | buonasera |
| 18:49.42 | ArchRatio | jelly-home: I can ping this machine and receive responses. |
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| 18:49.44 | max68it2000 | cĆØ qualcuno che se ne intende di server linus configurazione oscam cccam |
| 18:49.51 | ArchRatio | jelly-home: Should I try to freeze Debian now? |
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| 18:50.06 | Walex | !italian |
| 18:50.06 | dpkg | Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help. |
| 18:50.12 | jelly-home | ArchRatio: did you log in to it using putty? |
| 18:50.20 | max68it2000 | grazie |
| 18:50.37 | ArchRatio | I just did 'ping [my IP address]' |
| 18:50.43 | ArchRatio | As in, the IP of this machine. |
| 18:50.58 | jelly-home | that's good, but having an ssh connection alive is even better |
| 18:51.08 | Pizza90 | hi all, when i try to install a deb file from the experimental repo on wheezy beta4 sometimes it tells me that "the package breaks XXXX dependency" and it doesnt let my installing the deb, how can i fix this error? |
| 18:51.29 | jelly-home | Pizza90: by not using experimental |
| 18:51.37 | jelly-home | !tell Pizza90 about experimental |
| 18:51.39 | jhutchins_wk | Pizza90: Don't install the experimental file. It breaks things. |
| 18:51.41 | ArchRatio | So optimally, I should install Putty and establish a connection? |
| 18:51.47 | jelly-home | ArchRatio: yes |
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| 18:51.52 | Walex | Pizza90: if you are using an unreleased archive and "experimental" your skills at extreme package management are so great that your question is just teasing us |
| 18:51.58 | ArchRatio | All right, installing Putty. |
| 18:52.06 | paco1 | jhutchins_wk: thanks very much. I checked the configs, are equals that mine. I don't know if you know ldap. |
| 18:52.53 | jelly-home | Pizza90: in additional to experimental uploads being KNOWN to be BROKEN, they are also built for debian unstable, and not testing |
| 18:53.02 | jhutchins_wk | ArchRatio: Is sshd running? You may need to start it. |
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| 18:53.28 | Pizza90 | Walex: well i simply google "packex X debian experimental" and then i download the deb containing all the dependencies, you dont need a genius or a hacker to do it :) |
| 18:53.51 | jhutchins_wk | Pizza90: Quite the opposite in fact. |
| 18:54.04 | Pizza90 | jelly-home: oh ok i suppose that the unstable is not very stable lol |
| 18:54.30 | Walex | Pizza90: that way many horror tales begin :-) |
| 18:54.33 | jhutchins_wk | Pizza90: In fact, doing it that way is probably what's causing your specific error - that, and like jelly-home said, experimental is intended for unstable, not for testing. |
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| 18:55.19 | Pizza90 | jhutchins_wk: is the unstable version (debian) stable as an ubuntu lts?:P |
| 18:55.31 | Pizza90 | if yes can you give me the link where to download the unstable version |
| 18:55.37 | jhutchins_wk | Pizza90: Completely different animal. |
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| 18:55.45 | Pizza90 | lol ok |
| 18:56.02 | Walex | Pizza90: if you had the extreme packaging skills to deal with brokeness in unreleased archives like "testing", "unstable" and "experimental" you should be using Aptitude in manual mode with a careful pinning configuration... |
| 18:56.08 | ArchRatio | jhutchins_wk: I installed Putty, connected to this machine using its IP and logged into the same account I am using on Debian right now. Everything should be all right, no? |
| 18:56.25 | jelly-home | ArchRatio: great |
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| 18:56.30 | jhutchins_wk | ArchRatio: Yep. |
| 18:56.40 | ArchRatio | So what I do now is freeze? |
| 18:56.52 | jelly-home | yup, try to freeze it |
| 18:57.09 | jhutchins_wk | ArchRatio: You may be interested in using "screen", which will allow you to attach to one session from different logins (local, ssh). |
| 18:57.14 | Pizza90 | Walex: i dont have any packaging skills :D just tried to open deb files from the"experimental" repo :D |
| 18:57.36 | ArchRatio | jhutchins_wk: Using 'screen' in what, is that an option in Putty or something? |
| 18:57.42 | Walex | Pizza90: that's very "courageous" :-) |
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| 18:58.14 | jhutchins_wk | Pizza90: What you're doing is the wrong way to install experimental packages, and you shouldn't even be trying to install experimental on testing as we've told you. |
| 18:58.19 | Walex | Pizza90: it is much easier to stick to 'stable' which is release and to use the official backports |
| 18:58.21 | Pizza90 | Walex: thanks :) i was in virtualbox though ;) |
| 18:58.21 | jhutchins_wk | Pizza90: What package are you trying to get? |
| 18:58.28 | jelly-home | Pizza90: in that case, you probably don't want to install them anyway, as cleaning up after them often requires said nonexistent packaging skills |
| 18:58.31 | yashi | could someone tell me how i force one of my displays to 60hz refresh rate? i tried xrandr so far. but im not sure what the right display name is :/ |
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| 18:58.56 | Walex | yashi: there are several RANDR GUIs like 'arandr' for example |
| 18:58.56 | jhutchins_wk | ArchRatio: It's a program, sort of a console within a console that allows you to detach a session, preserve it if you disconnect, etc. |
| 18:59.27 | jelly-home | jhutchins_wk: might be too confusing for ArchRatio at this point |
| 18:59.38 | ArchRatio | Probably. |
| 18:59.41 | Walex | haylo: http://loop-aes.sourceforge.net/loop-AES.README explains how to setup encrypted 'root' filetree with 'loop-AES' |
| 18:59.42 | Pizza90 | Walex: yes but i'd like to have a "stable" system but with some software (e.g the browser or the flash alternative updated) because they fix bugs and add new features |
| 18:59.49 | confusid | Hello, I used adduser me sudo and went in as root with visudo and the file has the sudo group active. Then when I do sudo test I'm not in the sudoers file. When did it change where I have to directly add a user name to the sudo file? |
| 18:59.51 | jhutchins_wk | ArchRatio: Yes, a distraction at this point, sorry. |
| 19:00.01 | Pizza90 | jhutchins_wk: i was trying to install lightspark 0.7.1 a flash alternetive |
| 19:00.06 | Pizza90 | alternative* |
| 19:00.19 | ArchRatio | jhutchins_wk: Don't worry, people have suggested I install new windows managers and what not. I have a good idea of what is too hard for me any way. |
| 19:00.21 | yashi | Walex: thanks will look into it..although arandr doesnt list any refresh options |
| 19:00.22 | Walex | Pizza90: security updates are only done to 'stable'. Backports for 'stable' provide new features. |
| 19:00.39 | ArchRatio | jelly-home: So now I freeze? |
| 19:00.46 | Walex | yashi: there is also 'krandrtray' if you use KDE and 'grandr' etc. |
| 19:00.46 | jelly-home | ArchRatio: yes, try to |
| 19:00.57 | jhutchins_wk | Pizza90: I recommend that you stick with packages from testing until you're much more familiar with Debian. |
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| 19:01.30 | Walex | Pizza90: and if you really need something updated more often than Debian, there are a number of Debian derivaties that cover that kind of desire. |
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| 19:01.51 | jhutchins_wk | Pizza90: /msg dpkg mdo for newer versions of iceweasel. |
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| 19:02.01 | haylo | Walex: thanks ! Ami correct in assuming you can not aes encrypt from the local system ? And that the whole losetup -e AES@%^ thing is done from another system ? |
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| 19:02.09 | ArchRatio | jelly-home: What I am running is a script that makes and makes installs some things. Whenever I install something there's about a 1/4 chance something crashes, and about two things are installed, so there's a good chance I'll freeze. If that doesn't work, I'll uninstall Skype and do some other similar tasks. |
| 19:02.13 | jhutchins_wk | Walex: No backports for testing. |
| 19:02.21 | Walex | haylo: you can surtely do that on the local system. |
| 19:02.36 | haylo | nice, ok |
| 19:02.51 | Walex | jhutchins_wk: that's why I wrote "backports for 'stable'" |
| 19:03.03 | jhutchins_wk | haylo: Please do read some of the documentation before you start though, and make sure you have a backup of any data. |
| 19:03.04 | Walex | haylo: but it may be a little tricky :-). |
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| 19:03.33 | Walex | haylo: the trick is that at some point you need to encrypt the partition in-place. This can be done with 'aespipe'. |
| 19:04.05 | haylo | so, in oder to do it in one system you need "aespipe" but otherwise you just need losetup ? |
| 19:04.27 | Pizza90 | thank you all for the answers |
| 19:04.28 | Walex | haylo: if you want to encrypt the 'root' filetree in place, while it is mounted, that's *possible* but risky. Better to use a live CD. |
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| 19:04.47 | haylo | rigth. ok. thanks Walex ! |
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| 19:04.56 | haylo | I have renewed confidence :) |
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| 19:05.07 | jhutchins_wk | iirc the first step in creating an encrypted disk is to overwrite it with zeros. |
| 19:05.15 | simpson_ | uhm |
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| 19:05.35 | Walex | Pizza90: I use 'stable' with backports and it is pretty decent. At Work. At home I use Ubuntu LTS because I am a bit wilder about new stuff. |
| 19:05.43 | simpson_ | I recommend overwriting every file on a disk with random data, then killing the file names with 0's... doing those like 35 times.. just me. |
| 19:05.51 | haylo | jhutchins_wk: well usually /dev/random or /dev/urandom i think |
| 19:05.55 | Walex | jhutchins_wk: that's highly optional... |
| 19:05.56 | simpson_ | So I need some help with a cluster can anyone talkto me about it? |
| 19:06.16 | haylo | obvioulsy it helps if you have already encrypted the disk xD |
| 19:06.23 | haylo | and messed it up |
| 19:06.33 | Sevet | simpson_: a cluster of what? |
| 19:06.35 | Walex | simpson_: the 35 times story is no longer applicable. Beyond 4 times is pointless, as the author of the original "35 times" paper wrote later, with new disks. |
| 19:06.48 | simpson_ | oh |
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| 19:07.07 | Walex | haylo: 'loop-AES' is a kernel driver that decrypts and encrypts disks as they are read/written by the kernel. |
| 19:07.18 | simpson_ | I basically want to run any random software and have the job split up among my computers |
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| 19:07.21 | Pizza90 | Walex: how can i enable backports? i used to use ubuntu 10.04 but with the 12.04 when they fixed an nvidia related bug they opened another one with amd so the 12.04 is unusable on my pc so i decided to switch to debian |
| 19:07.24 | Walex | haylo: 'losetup' is a tool that tells the kernel driver which password and which disk. |
| 19:07.52 | haylo | it just sort of arranges the key transaction huh ? |
| 19:08.11 | haylo | or something. well thank you. i will read more before i waste more channel space |
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| 19:08.49 | Walex | haylo: 'aespipe' instead is a tool that descrypts/encrypts data in a way compatible with 'loop-AES' |
| 19:09.01 | simpson_ | I got a raspberry pi(ARM), 2x core 2 duo's, a core i3, a intel atom, 2x more core i3's, might use one of them for this and control it with my main PC not sure. |
| 19:09.08 | simpson_ | not sure which one I should use as master |
| 19:09.24 | simpson_ | what will be most efficient |
| 19:09.29 | haylo | Walex: sorry im confused. IM looking at aguide that seems to accomplish everything with just losetup. perhaps they are not doing it correctly |
| 19:09.38 | Walex | simpson_: that is a bit challenging, because you would have to run sw written in a platform independent way to use the RPI, but it is also *very* slow. |
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| 19:09.54 | Walex | haylo: they are doing it correctly of course :-) |
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| 19:10.00 | Posterdati | please I've got problem with kde on wheezy: kwin freezes the session at login... |
| 19:10.04 | simpson_ | Walex: I am not using this for anything commerical, likely just using MPI or OpenMosix |
| 19:10.18 | haylo | heres the guide. I kind of trust this guy http://odkq.com/debianloopaes |
| 19:10.20 | Walex | haylo: but IIRC there is a mention of 'aespipe' at some point. |
| 19:10.20 | chrisbuchholz | Is there some public repo i can use to get vim 7.3 on squeeze? |
| 19:10.25 | Sevet | simpson: possibly you're looking for something like openssi. specific applications may have other more specialised clustering. |
| 19:10.38 | simpson_ | alright |
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| 19:10.53 | ArchRatio | jelly-home: The script ran successfully. Trying some other things now. |
| 19:10.56 | Walex | haylo: the main instructions in http://loop-aes.sourceforge.net/loop-AES.README |
| 19:11.06 | haylo | im there reading |
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| 19:11.20 | simpson_ | you think I could run, say randomfile_here.py and randomfile_here.gcc? or does it have to be modified to work for OpenSSI? |
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| 19:11.59 | Walex | haylo: are for the case where you setup 'loop-AES' for an empty filetree. If you want to use it for an existing filetree, either you dump it and reload it, or you encrypt it in-place, which can be done with 'aespipe'. |
| 19:12.02 | Sevet | if you've already found openmosix you know as much about them as me ;) i believe it's meant to be transparent though |
| 19:12.04 | ThePicard | I'm trying install a package, blocking one recommended package but not all of them |
| 19:12.12 | ThePicard | i'm doing aptitude install nmap liblinear-tools- |
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| 19:12.21 | simpson_ | I don't know that much.. just done lots of searching |
| 19:12.24 | ThePicard | ie, install nmap but remove liblinear-tools |
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| 19:12.44 | ThePicard | but it tries to install all of liblinear-tools' dependencies anyway, even though liblinear-tools itself isn't being installed. |
| 19:12.50 | ThePicard | Why is that happening? |
| 19:12.58 | ThePicard | slash how do I make it not happen? |
| 19:13.02 | Walex | simpson_: there are two cases: your programs can run independently, you just to run a lot of them; or your programs cannot run independently, but must communicate while they run. |
| 19:13.21 | ThePicard | I was able to get the desired behaviour by forbiding the package version manually, but I had to go and look up the version to forbid it |
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| 19:13.49 | simpson_ | I would like it to run parts of the program or split up the job rather than running a instance on each server |
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| 19:14.34 | Walex | simpson_: in the first case you can just use a distributed queue system; in the second case you need a distributed communications mechanism. |
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| 19:15.07 | simpson_ | which cases? :S |
| 19:15.30 | Walex | simpson_: "can run independently" "must communicate while they run" |
| 19:16.12 | jelly-home | ThePicard: aptitude can be dumb that way. See if apt-get works better in this case. |
| 19:16.14 | Walex | simpson_: for example there is a distributed queue system called 'distcc' that is designed to run compile/link jobs |
| 19:16.20 | simpson_ | so I would use like mpich for the master to split up the job and send it to the nodes in queue? |
| 19:16.29 | simpson_ | ok |
| 19:16.35 | ThePicard | jelly-home: alright. |
| 19:17.06 | Sevet | .MB file - MapBasic source, Mathematica (Binary File), Maya (Binary Scene) |
| 19:17.08 | simpson_ | yes I would like to basically have distcc but use random software instead of gcc ha |
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| 19:17.15 | Walex | simpson_: while something like MPI is for the "ust communicate while they run" |
| 19:17.19 | Sevet | wrong window... |
| 19:17.43 | simpson_ | so what exactly do you think I should do? |
| 19:17.48 | Walex | simpson_: there are many generic versions of 'distcc'. |
| 19:17.50 | simpson_ | < noob |
| 19:18.16 | Walex | simpson_: they basically take a list of shell scripts "jobs" and run them on all available hosts. |
| 19:18.18 | simpson_ | I am not looking for distributed compilation of software |
| 19:18.24 | ThePicard | jelly-home: I didn't know apt-get supported those annotations! that's awesome! |
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| 19:19.01 | Sevet | distcc is essentially a mapreduce-type system |
| 19:19.25 | simpson_ | you know more than me xD |
| 19:19.30 | jelly-home | ThePicard: oh yes. Well they appeared as command keys in dselect at first -- before apt existed |
| 19:19.35 | Sevet | but it's that specialised case i mentioned... your program has to know to use it and be able to be split up into appropriate chunks |
| 19:19.42 | ThePicard | jelly-home: aaaah, okay. |
| 19:19.48 | ThePicard | jelly-home: this is working perfectly, thank you! |
| 19:19.51 | simpson_ | damn ok |
| 19:20.22 | simpson_ | what is the ideal master node? |
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| 19:22.48 | paco1 | specialist ldap here? |
| 19:23.11 | KrisB | Hello, I just installed wheezy, nothing works on GNOME session (any opened window causes it it to be completely blue), it only works well on Gnome Classic. |
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| 19:23.30 | Posterdati | please I've got problem with kde on wheezy: kwin freezes the session at login... |
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| 19:27.20 | abrotman | Posterdati: tryanother user |
| 19:27.31 | abrotman | paco1: there is #ldap |
| 19:27.34 | Posterdati | abrotman: same problem |
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| 19:27.53 | abrotman | try another WM |
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| 19:28.08 | Posterdati | which one? |
| 19:29.30 | tharkun | zykotick9: uninstalling bluez is a total pain. gnome ends up beeing uninstalled. I managed to screw things big. Thanks |
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| 19:29.44 | paco1 | abrotman: thanks, no saw it.... |
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| 19:31.40 | holycow | hi guys |
| 19:31.44 | KrisB | hello. |
| 19:32.12 | holycow | i have a piece of software the keeps on crashing. the log files that it generates are useless and indicates nothing helpful. granted, it is java |
| 19:32.42 | holycow | are there any techniques for starting up the binary and watching it perform to gleam a clue as to why it might be crashing? |
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| 19:33.02 | KrisB | holycow, let's wait for someone to help you out, I'm a noob on Linux:) |
| 19:33.10 | holycow | no biggie |
| 19:33.14 | mumel | Hi. Is there a reason on why the Debian Installer may not install wireless-tools as part of the base system? |
| 19:33.17 | holycow | time to play with strace |
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| 19:34.01 | mumel | holycow: if it's a Java program, it should have thrown some kind of exception or trace with the error. |
| 19:35.04 | holycow | mumel: not a frickin peep. i think what might be happening is that it isn't actually crashing, its webserver just stops responding |
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| 19:35.48 | zykotick9 | tharkun: ? i don't see why you'd be upset with me. i suggested you leave it. "13:13:11 zykotick9 | tharkun: if it's part of gnome, i'd just leave it..." |
| 19:36.02 | ArchRatio_ | jelly-home: I got this error in Putty: http://i.imgur.com/eLfAOKU.png |
| 19:36.19 | ArchRatio_ | I just managed to make it freeze by opening Skype. It always freezes when it does that, for some reason. |
| 19:36.33 | ArchRatio_ | It seemed to do this about a minute after the freeze. |
| 19:36.55 | ArchRatio_ | What? |
| 19:37.12 | ArchRatio_ | All right, that was probably on the laptop with Debian. |
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| 19:40.38 | ArchRatio_ | Iridos: Look at what I just said to jelly-home, that's what happened when I freezed it. I have no idea what is wrong. |
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| 19:42.02 | KrisB | zykotick9: can you help me with GNOME 3? |
| 19:42.25 | zykotick9 | KrisB: nope. i don't use it. good luck. |
| 19:42.35 | tharkun | zykotick9: I'm not upset. I'm in and out of my deskt. I tried to optimized this VM which is allways using an 8% cpu. I was just reporting back that even setting up half gnome to Manual it still gets borked. (Managed to make this image unusable ;P) |
| 19:43.25 | KrisB | zykotick9: I then need some help with buying a new graphic card, because I'm sick with nv18... |
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| 19:43.58 | zykotick9 | tharkun: sorry. i guess i misinterpreted that "Thanks" as a sarcasm. sorry it's not working out for ya. have you considered using a lighter de? xfce/lxde instead? |
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| 19:46.07 | KrisB | zykotick9: mine motherboard only works with AGP graphic cards, which AGP card would be good for Linux? |
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| 19:46.49 | jordanm | thinks they stopped making AGP slots on boards around 6-7 years ago |
| 19:46.53 | simpson_ | information on this is so scarce |
| 19:47.00 | simpson_ | nobody knows what a good master node would be? |
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| 19:47.41 | KrisB | jordanm, i'd rather appreciate help.:) |
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| 19:49.10 | jordanm | KrisB, you may have better luck getting a plain PCI |
| 19:49.46 | ArchRatio_ | Iridos, jelly-home, are you there? |
| 19:49.55 | KrisB | jordanm, what do you mean by that? I don't understand. |
| 19:50.35 | r3m | ,v mpd |
| 19:50.36 | judd | Package: mpd on i386 -- lenny: 0.13.2-3lenny1; squeeze: 0.15.12-1.1; wheezy: 0.16.7-2; sid: 0.17.1-1 |
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| 19:52.38 | jhutchins_wk | ,versions calibre |
| 19:52.41 | judd | Package: calibre on i386 -- squeeze: 0.7.7+dfsg-1squeeze1; wheezy: 0.8.51+dfsg1-0.1; sid: 0.8.64+dfsg-1; sid: 0.9.11+dfsg-1; sid: 0.9.18+dfsg-1 |
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| 19:54.16 | zykotick9 | r3m: looking for mpd for 64bit wheezy? ;) |
| 19:54.19 | ArchRatio_ | Man, I did what I was told to do, and now that I did it and provided results, the guys helping me suddenly left. |
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| 19:56.41 | babilen | judd: v mpd --arch amd64 |
| 19:56.42 | judd | Package: mpd on amd64 -- lenny: 0.13.2-3lenny1+b1; squeeze: 0.15.12-1.1; wheezy: 0.16.7-2+b1; wheezy-proposed-updates: 0.16.7-2+b1; sid: 0.17.1-1 |
| 19:56.48 | babilen | r3m: ^^^^ |
| 19:57.30 | zykotick9 | babilen: mpd is back. thank goodness. |
| 19:57.51 | babilen | zykotick9: Well, it was quite a mess and people knew that they should sort it out. |
| 19:58.11 | babilen | zykotick9: Hence the upload via w-p-u |
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| 19:58.23 | babilen | (or t-p-u) |
| 19:58.53 | Uranio | could be used a soft named motion, for launch a commoand when something happen behind the camera... so.. |
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| 19:59.04 | Uranio | exist any software for do the same with the mic? |
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| 20:00.26 | maxxe | where's wheezy? |
| 20:02.13 | zykotick9 | maxxe: what do you mean? wheezy is currently "testing". if you're asking about release see "/msg dpkg wwwr" |
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| 20:02.53 | maxxe | wheezy release soon pls? :D |
| 20:03.14 | maxxe | then maxxelito will be happy *hehe* |
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| 20:06.00 | maxxe | actually i don't really know how to fix bugs, else i would try to fix release critical bugs... |
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| 20:09.02 | maxxe | atm the process is at a snail's pace |
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| 20:09.50 | babilen | maxxe: You can use wheezy today! (cf. "/msg dpkg wheezy installer" and http://www.debian.org/releases/wheezy/amd64/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html) |
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| 20:11.48 | maxxe | i wait till it's released. just that i long for it. however i am not in a hurry ;) |
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| 20:14.48 | jacksmithz | what is the full name of a user account on a debian system used for? |
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| 20:15.21 | jhutchins_wk | jacksmithz: Mostly figuring out who the account belongs to. |
| 20:15.51 | jacksmithz | so its not used for directory structures/naming and so on? |
| 20:16.11 | jhutchins_wk | jacksmithz: It used to be displayed by the "finger" command and could be used to track off-line contact info - office location, room number, telephone, etc. |
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| 20:16.31 | jhutchins_wk | jacksmithz: These days it's a generic comment field. |
| 20:16.46 | maxxe | maybe keep track of all users payment/expiration if you have a big system |
| 20:16.57 | zykotick9 | jacksmithz: the system doesn't even really use usernames, but instead UIDs for actual ownership of stuff... |
| 20:17.14 | jacksmithz | allright, is it possible to create a user account, where you dont provide full name for the user? |
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| 20:17.22 | jhutchins_wk | jacksmithz: Sure. |
| 20:17.23 | maxxe | yes |
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| 20:17.41 | zykotick9 | jacksmithz: my answer to your origional question would be it's teh 5th field in /etc/passwd ;) |
| 20:17.55 | jhutchins_wk | Oh, some mail programs will pull your "real name" I think, but mostly console-based ones. |
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| 20:19.37 | zykotick9 | jhutchins_wk: hard to tell if my mutt setup uses "real name" as my username and "real name" are the same |
| 20:20.05 | jacksmithz | allright, if you leave the "full name for the new user" field blank, during the creation of a user, during a debian install, does it result in the field being empty, or the field being removed? (if that makes sense)? |
| 20:20.23 | jhutchins_wk | jacksmithz: TIAS |
| 20:21.15 | jacksmithz | jhutchins_wk: what does TIAS mean? |
| 20:21.34 | jhutchins_wk | Try It And See |
| 20:21.35 | mumel | Try it and see (guess). |
| 20:22.42 | maxxe | jacksmithz: no problem to leave it empty. i did it for my user account. it doesn't matter... |
| 20:22.43 | zykotick9 | guesses the installer will need something, in the real name to proceed |
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| 20:23.16 | zykotick9 | maxxe: i guess i was wrong then ;) |
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| 20:23.37 | maxxe | yeah... :P |
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| 20:24.48 | erickr | is it possible to verify all installed packages and their files against their signatures/md5 in the original package? |
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| 20:25.49 | erickr | my google fu was weak at first, found debsums now. :) |
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| 20:36.28 | cyanboy1 | Hi, I am having some problems with my debian squeeze installation on my MacBook Pro. How do I get the wireless and keyboard backlight to actually work? |
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| 20:38.52 | Sevet | cyanboy1: http://wiki.debian.org/MacBook |
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| 20:41.58 | sudoman | is acpid the recommended power manangement daemon when not using gnome? |
| 20:42.41 | jhutchins_wk | erickr: There is a debsums package that does something like that. |
| 20:42.46 | jhutchins_wk | !info debsums |
| 20:42.48 | sudoman | i'd like some more flexibility with the screen locker that gets used, so acpid doesn't seem ideal unless i were to edit a file in /usr/share |
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| 20:51.00 | jacksmithz | i am unsure wether i should use the "linux-image-amd64" kernel or the "linux-image-2.6-amd64" kernel. As far as i understand the first will keep my kernel updated to the latest stable one, while the second will keep my kernel updated to the lastest stable 2.6 kernel, But why would i want that instead of the latest stable kernel? |
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| 20:53.05 | cyanboy2 | I have followed the debian guide. Still the wireless on my MacBook Pro is not working |
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| 20:57.01 | fgh` | cyanboy2 why you want debian on your macbook pro |
| 20:57.14 | fgh` | ur bether off with ubuntu or linuxmint for desktops |
| 20:57.19 | fgh` | in my opinion |
| 20:57.29 | cyanboy2 | because I love debian. |
| 20:57.43 | Towzzer | I agree |
| 20:57.49 | Towzzer | desktops should use other things |
| 20:57.52 | fgh` | i love debian to(for a server:D) |
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| 20:58.26 | cyanboy2 | Debian Testing goes fine as a desktop |
| 20:58.42 | Losowski | Debian testing is perfect |
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| 20:59.43 | sudoman | i'm using it now too |
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| 21:00.16 | Towzzer | sonic-boom sonic-boom |
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| 21:01.51 | jhutchins_wk | I use stable on my desktop and netbook. |
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| 21:02.24 | jhutchins_wk | fgh`: It could be you have a different chipset. The myth that Apple hardware never changes is just that. |
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| 21:02.59 | jhutchins_wk | fgh`: If you'll do an lspci -nn and grab the eight character pciid of the chipset we can check it out. |
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| 21:25.22 | confusid | is there a winetricks package for squeeze? |
| 21:26.27 | jordanm | ,file winetricks |
| 21:26.31 | judd | No packages in squeeze/i386 were found with that file. |
| 21:27.03 | confusid | ty. I tried also back-ports but seems wheezy is the only one with it. |
| 21:27.15 | jordanm | confusid, it's just a shell script |
| 21:27.33 | jordanm | you can install it easily in your homedir |
| 21:27.52 | confusid | lol... ty |
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| 21:32.52 | Losowski | Debian testing is perfect |
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| 21:40.53 | lasers | Hi. I need a desktop environment for an old man who never used Windows/OSX/Linux. He will want a google-chrome and wireless support. He gave me a 1.6ghz netbook to install. What DE should I go with? I'd like to put Testing on it. No KDE/Gnome/XFCE. Suggestions? |
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| 21:42.27 | Pizza90 | hi all again, does anyone know if the drivers manager on debian wheezy is jockey?because on ubuntu 12.04 it has a bug with AMD and the pc is slow as a slug, so i'd like to switch to it once it becomes stable, otherwise is there a good alternative to jockey? |
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| 21:43.21 | lasers | Pizza90: If you used NVIDIA in Ubuntu's jockey, then you can install NVIDIA driver using Debian Docs. |
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| 21:43.51 | lasers | (Not a manager per se, you do everything yourself. Not same as Ubuntu) |
| 21:43.57 | Pizza90 | lasers: my laptop has an ATI videocard |
| 21:44.11 | Pizza90 | lasers: so i can install proprietary drivers manually on wheezy? |
| 21:44.12 | mtn | lasers: why not XFCE? |
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| 21:44.57 | zykotick9 | Pizza90: i believe jockey is an ubuntu thing. "apt-cache search jockey" has no results on my wheezy install (but i don't have contrib/nonfree). most hardware is installed more manually on debian then ubuntu. ati, oh, nevermind - i know nothing ;) |
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| 21:46.07 | Pizza90 | zykotick9: i hope it is, otherwise i can't use debian too <.< is there something like sudo on debian?? |
| 21:46.23 | zykotick9 | Pizza90: you can install sudo on debian |
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| 21:46.52 | lasers | Pizza90: Google "wiki debian ati" give you few docs like "ATIHowTo" and "ATIProprietary" - I can't say much since I never had ATI before. |
| 21:46.54 | Pizza90 | zykotick9: thanks! good to know, i am very used to it (since i come from ubuntu) |
| 21:47.07 | Pizza90 | lasers: thanks i will check ;) |
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| 21:47.43 | lasers | mtn: Too much. Ah, maybe I shouldn't say DE. I'm thinking something like OpenBox + tint2. Web kiosk-ish. |
| 21:48.14 | mtn | lasers: why is it too much? easy for a newbie, for sure. |
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| 21:50.06 | lasers | Small monitor. 1.6ghz. 1GB Ram. Running XFCE-related processes... Laced with google-chrome processes. And he don't know file manager. PDF. Panels. Terminals. |
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| 21:54.44 | psy_ | hello i have a little problem with capabilities. i want to set net bind capability to ruby "ruby 1.9.2p0 (2010-08-18 revision 29036) [x86_64-linux]". when i set it and run it as an luser i got segmentation fault. this problem doesnt happend with ruby1.8 |
| 21:54.46 | psy_ | any clue? |
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| 21:58.57 | drasko | is there a way to umount all partitions of the device at once ? |
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| 22:00.33 | drasko | what would be a oneliner to detect mounted device from dmesg (fo rexample SD card) ? |
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| 22:02.00 | zykotick9 | drasko: you can see what is currently mounted by using "mount" |
| 22:02.27 | drasko | zykotick9, yes, I know |
| 22:02.34 | drasko | I need a script, though |
| 22:03.00 | drasko | I thought I can do something lieke this : umount /dev/mmc0?+ |
| 22:03.07 | drasko | but it does seem to work ;) |
| 22:03.20 | ZeroBeholder | drasko: not what you are asking, but it may be on the USB bus where you can use--> lsusb |
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| 22:03.59 | ZeroBeholder | drasko: or you can use the lsusb (or lspci for that matter) for your grep on your dmesg output... |
| 22:04.02 | Sevet | you could do `mount | grep whatever` from a script |
| 22:04.27 | drasko | Sevet, trying to avoid this, I thought it could be a oneliner |
| 22:04.58 | Sevet | that is a oneliner |
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| 22:06.08 | drasko | Sevet, nope |
| 22:06.48 | drasko | to extract device name like this you would rather have to do something like this : |
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| 22:06.50 | drasko | mount /dev/`dmesg | tail | grep "mmc.*GiB" | awk '{print $2}' | sed s/://` |
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| 22:07.29 | drasko | and it becomes more and more complex when you start discovering nb of partitions. |
| 22:07.30 | jordanm | except.. you wouldn't do it like that |
| 22:07.44 | jordanm | grep | awk | sed in the same pipeline is pretty terrible |
| 22:07.55 | drasko | what's better ? |
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| 22:08.31 | Sevet | what about the /dev/disk/by-*/* symlinks? |
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| 22:09.09 | KittyPaws | Okies... |
| 22:09.13 | jordanm | drasko, dmesg | awk '/mmc.*GiB/ { sub(/:/,"",$2); print $2 } |
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| 22:09.51 | KittyPaws | So I do "dd if=/dev/sdb of=boot.img bs=1M" to apply an image to my pendrive... |
| 22:10.06 | KittyPaws | the img file is only 128mb but it goes over a GB. |
| 22:10.15 | Sevet | drasko: looking at /dev/disk/by-id i see usb-Integral_Courier_079A1000591E22DA-0:0 usb-Integral_Courier_079A1000591E22DA-0:0-part1 usb-Integral_Courier_079A1000591E22DA-0:0-part2 usb-Integral_Courier_079A1000591E22DA-0:0-part3 |
| 22:10.23 | drasko | jordanm, cool. But less understandable to me, frankly. Sed substitution is clear, awk is still a mystery |
| 22:10.28 | KittyPaws | Whyy is dd copying over a gig to my pendrive when the img file is only 128mb? |
| 22:10.42 | jordanm | KittyPaws, you are copying your pen drive to boot.img |
| 22:10.42 | Sevet | drasko: you could umount those symlinks i believe |
| 22:10.49 | KittyPaws | ... |
| 22:10.51 | mtn | KittyPaws: haven't you written it backwords? |
| 22:10.52 | KittyPaws | damn |
| 22:10.55 | jordanm | KittyPaws, cat boot.img > /dev/sdb |
| 22:10.59 | KittyPaws | ... |
| 22:11.01 | KittyPaws | jordanm: No? |
| 22:11.12 | KittyPaws | Whyy would I use cat for it? |
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| 22:11.28 | Sevet | because it's simpler and less typing |
| 22:11.29 | jordanm | because dd is unnecessary? |
| 22:11.38 | mtn | however, dd works fine |
| 22:11.40 | Sevet | for dd if/of = infile/outfile |
| 22:11.51 | jordanm | also, it will be faster since you did bs=1M |
| 22:11.57 | KittyPaws | I know what they mean Sevet. |
| 22:12.02 | KittyPaws | jordanm: I know |
| 22:12.05 | KittyPaws | but that is fine |
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| 22:12.29 | Sevet | if bs doesn't matter, you could just omit it completely |
| 22:12.38 | KittyPaws | It does matter. |
| 22:12.59 | jordanm | drasko, it's simple awk '/<regex conditional>/ { stuff }' |
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| 22:13.11 | jordanm | drasko, where sub() works just like sed 's///' |
| 22:13.54 | KittyPaws | rite |
| 22:13.57 | KittyPaws | okies that worked :3 |
| 22:14.17 | drasko | jordanm, I see. Cool ti, thanks |
| 22:14.18 | Sevet | drasko: umount /dev/disk/by-id/usb-*_$SERIAL-part* |
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| 22:14.40 | drasko | jordanm, so no way after to umount all /dev/<whatever> partitions ? |
| 22:14.58 | drasko | Sevet, it is an SD card, not USB |
| 22:15.13 | Sevet | ls that directory and see what it shows as then |
| 22:15.43 | Sevet | chances are your sd reader is usb even if it's internal though |
| 22:15.49 | jordanm | drasko, umount -a? |
| 22:15.57 | jordanm | the ones in use will fail to umount |
| 22:15.58 | drasko | jordanm, all partitions ? |
| 22:16.02 | jordanm | yes |
| 22:16.12 | drasko | hmmm... Not so elegant |
| 22:16.18 | Sevet | drasko: that'll include / |
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| 22:16.45 | drasko | this look interesting : http://stackoverflow.com/questions/3564879/best-way-to-extract-number-of-partitions |
| 22:16.54 | KrisB | hello. do I need non-free drivers for compiz effects? |
| 22:17.07 | drasko | but I was convinced that there can be one comand with some regex. |
| 22:17.42 | jordanm | KrisB, depends on your graphics card. you need hardware rendering |
| 22:17.46 | Sevet | drasko: do a directory listing of /dev/disk/by-id, i'm *sure* you'll see symlinks to it there |
| 22:18.13 | KrisB | jordanm, what is rendering? |
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| 22:18.41 | drasko | Sevet, I saw there a bunch of things that I do not understand how they are related |
| 22:18.51 | jordanm | KrisB, 3d acceleration |
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| 22:19.09 | jordanm | KrisB, eg you need proprietary drivers for nvidia, but not intel |
| 22:19.15 | gry | is it a good idea to use parted to resize ext3 partition? |
| 22:20.38 | KrisB | jordanm, nv18 is what I got. I know this is very old, and probably "not possible" to have 3d accelaration with this card, right? |
| 22:20.46 | Sevet | drasko: your sd card will have symlinks to the device and the partitions on it there which you can umount |
| 22:20.59 | Sevet | they'll be symlinks to /dev/mmc$whatever |
| 22:21.07 | drasko | this : cat /proc/partitions |
| 22:21.15 | drasko | looks like more interesting place to search |
| 22:21.58 | jordanm | KrisB, it wouldn't be easy since nvidia dropped support for that in their drivers |
| 22:21.58 | drasko | especially combined with dmesg | tail | awk like jordanm suggested |
| 22:22.50 | zykotick9 | jordanm: re:nvidia requiring proprietary. with wheezy and nouveau/libgl1-mesa-dri i'm not sure that will be true for ALL nvidia cards |
| 22:23.25 | KrisB | jordanm, I need another AGP graphic card, any with 3g accelaration? |
| 22:23.27 | jordanm | zykotick9, it works but support is still considered experimental |
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| 22:24.12 | Sevet | drasko: udev will have created symlinks named /dev/disk/by-id/mmc-$NAME_$SERIAL and /dev/disk/by-id/mmc-$NAME_$SERIAL-part$N |
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| 22:24.38 | Sevet | drasko: so you can just `umount /dev/disk/by-id/mmc-*_$SERIAL-part*, if you're going to ignore that i give up |
| 22:24.49 | jordanm | !tell KrisB about nvidia |
| 22:25.04 | jordanm | !tell KrisB about nvidia dkms |
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| 22:25.33 | jordanm | KrisB, replace nvidia-kernel-dkms with nvidia-kernel-legacy-96xx-dkms |
| 22:25.36 | jordanm | it might work... |
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| 22:26.21 | KrisB | jordanm, I reinstalled my OS for 10 times over these two days... |
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| 22:33.09 | gnarface | anyone got opennebula working on wheezy? |
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| 22:42.42 | KrisB | jordanm, which AGP card would you recommend so I don't have so many problems? |
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| 22:58.50 | levabalkin | is there a version control system for the source code of all the packages from debian ? I can't find such thing ... |
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| 22:59.08 | marcel` | apt-cache policy? |
| 23:00.47 | levabalkin | I mean, subversion or git or cvs ... ? |
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| 23:04.10 | marcel` | hi, anybody know a good media-server-application (mainly music, some movies), where I can selectively sync my files to my android device? Perfect would to be if I were able to select the files for sync in my browser. But a "local alternative for Google Music" would do for the moment. But very important is that I can select what albums go on my android. |
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| 23:04.21 | marcel` | levabalkin: sorry no idea. |
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| 23:06.57 | levabalkin | I found it (http://wiki.debian.org/BuildingAPackage/SourceInVCS), there is no common centralized vcs for the source |
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| 23:20.43 | alexfun | hey peolple |
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| 23:21.07 | alexfun | I am using roundcube I reset email user password in database |
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| 23:21.11 | alexfun | and yet to login |
| 23:21.23 | alexfun | I checked roundcube error log nothing tthere |
| 23:21.26 | alexfun | what do i do |
| 23:21.59 | lime_ | Is there a inline terminal editor that allows you to edit and rerun commands similar as groups of cells (sort of like iPython's editor)? Additionally you could view Mathematica/Acme (from Plan 9) as something similar to what I am looking for. |
| 23:22.57 | alexfun | now it said connection to IMAP server failed |
| 23:23.46 | alexfun | maybe firewall |
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| 23:25.59 | alexfun | hehe |
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| 23:26.07 | alexfun | hey wulfe |
| 23:26.10 | alexfun | how are u |
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| 23:27.26 | alexfun | who here used round cube |
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| 23:29.28 | dondelelcaro | alexfun: best to just ask your question |
| 23:29.39 | alexfun | lol |
| 23:29.48 | alexfun | well I am getting php_network_getaddresses: getaddrinfo failed: Name or service not known (POST /roundcube |
| 23:30.07 | alexfun | I opened 143 imap port on firewall |
| 23:30.31 | alexfun | where else do I look? |
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| 23:31.36 | dondelelcaro | alexfun: that probably means that whatever you have set as your imap server for roundcube is wrong. |
| 23:32.37 | rmbell | if you have some virtual machines running on a nat bridge (10.10.10.0), how would you give one of those vms a static ipv6? currently ive enabled ipv6 forwarding with sysctl, and added the static ips to the host machine. would i be able to just add the static ips to a guest or is it a more complicated ip6tables issue? |
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| 23:33.01 | alexfun | dondelelcaro it worked before |
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| 23:35.37 | Dagger2 | rmbell: if the VMs are bridged to your upstream, then just configure an address on them |
| 23:36.12 | alexfun | dondelelcaro ok going to check via telnet |
| 23:36.18 | rmbell | thanks Dagger2. just didnt want to have to restart networking without some idea first :) |
| 23:36.28 | Dagger2 | if you're doing routing or NAT, get a routed v6 block from your ISP and run radvd on the VM host |
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| 23:39.05 | alexfun | dondelelcaro I used telnet and get BAD Error in IMAP command received by server. |
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| 23:40.40 | alexfun | i used pop3 same |
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| 23:40.45 | alexfun | says auth failed |
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| 23:42.29 | alienor | he O-nil |
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| 23:42.50 | O-nil | hi alienor |
| 23:43.45 | alienor | not lying |
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| 23:47.58 | phy1729 | Any suggestions for a PCIe wifi card that will work with hostapd? Searching has not proved every fruitful. |
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| 23:50.25 | korhojoa | get some older intel card and a adapter to pcie. |
| 23:54.16 | dondelelcaro | phy1729: you just want one which takes mac80211 drivers; they're listed here: http://wireless.kernel.org/en/users/Drivers |
| 23:54.42 | phy1729 | thanks |
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| 23:59.42 | jacksmithz | does anyone here use the SLIM display manager on debian squeeze? if so, does it work well? the reason im asking is because ive read about SLIM creating some mounting issues, but I dont know if these issues have been fixed ... |
