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| 00:05.41 | jrabbit | is there a testing mirror list of isos? |
| 00:06.01 | jrabbit | I keep hitting a swedish mirror when one in the US would be about 20x faster |
| 00:06.16 | jrabbit | mit doesn't seem to host images (closest geographically) |
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| 00:30.18 | BenLue | Hello guys, one question: i have set an Smlink with ln -s /usr/share/wordpress example.com now i will remove it |
| 00:30.50 | BenLue | but i become an error ); likes this root@vs:/var/www/wordpress.s3system.net# unlink /wordpress |
| 00:30.50 | BenLue | unlink: cannot unlink `/wordpress': No such file or directory |
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| 00:31.24 | BenLue | anyone ideas? |
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| 00:33.24 | Nik05 | BenLue enter the correct path? |
| 00:33.36 | abrotman | BenLue: i doubt you mean /wordpress |
| 00:34.18 | BenLue | unlink /usr/share/wordpress? |
| 00:34.29 | abrotman | you tell us ... |
| 00:35.31 | Nik05 | what does unlink that rm doesnt do? :S |
| 00:35.41 | Nik05 | that is what |
| 00:36.27 | BenLue | but i will not del my folder |
| 00:36.40 | Nik05 | you want to remove the symlink? |
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| 00:36.57 | BenLue | yes |
| 00:37.04 | factor | Does a gui based LVM manager exist? |
| 00:37.51 | Nik05 | then use 'rm path/to/symlink' |
| 00:37.58 | Nik05 | or unlink abrotman? |
| 00:38.10 | abrotman | either |
| 00:39.28 | Nik05 | when would you use unlink and not rm? |
| 00:40.01 | BenLue | rm: cannot remove `/usr/share/wordpress/': Is a directory |
| 00:40.15 | BenLue | whats happend |
| 00:40.16 | Nik05 | remove the symlink not the source |
| 00:40.42 | Nik05 | you want to keep /usr/share/wordpress right? |
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| 00:41.28 | BenLue | yes i have set the symlink with ln -s /usr/share/wordpress example.com |
| 00:41.40 | Nik05 | then use rm example.com |
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| 00:43.23 | Nik05 | ping timedout? |
| 00:43.26 | LueBen | yes |
| 00:43.32 | Nik05 | then use rm example.com |
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| 00:44.07 | dondelelcaro | factor: there may be one, but lvm are pretty simple to manage using the cli tools |
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| 00:44.35 | BenLue | example.com was an example sry but rm wordpress.s3system.net isnt working |
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| 00:45.01 | factor | dondelelcaro, i found kvpm |
| 00:45.06 | factor | kde gui one |
| 00:45.28 | dondelelcaro | factor: cool. I'd still suggest learning the CLI tools, but if that works for you, great. |
| 00:45.30 | factor | debian default load , really is not fit for nowdays systems |
| 00:45.33 | Nik05 | BenLue what isnt working? |
| 00:45.41 | factor | I do , but dont want to think much. |
| 00:46.13 | BenLue | i was setting an symlink with ln -s /usr/share/wordpress wordpress.s3system.net |
| 00:46.15 | abrotman | isn't sure what to make of that |
| 00:46.21 | dondelelcaro | factor: they're really pretty simple, but ok. |
| 00:46.25 | BenLue | when i will remove i becom en error |
| 00:46.38 | BenLue | rm: cannot remove `wordpress.s3system.net': Is a directory |
| 00:47.02 | abrotman | BenLue: perhaps you sohuld show us with a pastebin |
| 00:47.27 | BenLue | sry abrotman |
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| 00:48.25 | Nik05 | so its not a symlink? |
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| 00:49.07 | BenLue | http://paste.debian.net/234323/ |
| 00:49.11 | Nik05 | are you sure you made a symlink? |
| 00:49.14 | BenLue | please check my paste |
| 00:49.53 | zykotick9 | file exists ;) perhaps as a directory? |
| 00:50.21 | zykotick9 | BenLue: "ls -l wordpress.s3system.net" |
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| 00:51.26 | dondelelcaro | BenLue: wordpress.s3system.net is a directory, so you just attempted to create the wordpress.s3system.net/wordpress symlink, which already exists |
| 00:51.27 | BenLue | zykotick9; http://paste.debian.net/234324/ |
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| 00:51.30 | Nik05 | i think wordpress.s3system.net/wordpress is the symlink |
| 00:51.45 | dondelelcaro | BenLue: rm wordpress.s3system.net/wordpress; rmdir wordpress.s3system.net; then create the symlink |
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| 00:52.18 | zykotick9 | BenLue: that's NOT a link, it's a directory. |
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| 00:53.00 | BenLue | i will only del my symlink without the folder |
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| 00:54.06 | Nik05 | BenLue you know you can see if something is a directory, file, symlink etc, with ls -l? |
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| 00:54.50 | BenLue | sure and wordpress.s3system.net is an folder |
| 00:54.58 | Nik05 | directory |
| 00:55.14 | BenLue | sry dir yes |
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| 00:55.31 | Nik05 | but what do you want to do? :S |
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| 00:55.49 | Nik05 | cause the wordpress inside it is also a dir |
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| 00:56.15 | BenLue | i will remove the symlink (; |
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| 00:56.32 | Nik05 | there is no symlink |
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| 00:56.52 | Nik05 | check whats inside system.net/wordpress |
| 00:57.28 | BenLue | dosnt exist |
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| 00:58.00 | Nik05 | huh? :S |
| 00:58.18 | Nik05 | its in your last paste |
| 00:58.54 | zykotick9 | Nik05: i think you need to be VERY specific. wordpress.s3system.net/wordpress ;) |
| 00:59.18 | Nik05 | -_- |
| 00:59.45 | BenLue | http://paste.debian.net/234325/ |
| 00:59.54 | Nik05 | do i also need to tell which keys to press? :P |
| 01:00.02 | abrotman | hey, it's still a directory |
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| 01:01.03 | Nik05 | so you dont have a symlink |
| 01:02.50 | Nik05 | BenLue there isnt a symlink to be removed |
| 01:03.40 | BenLue | ahh i was knowing with this msg ln: creating symbolic link `wordpress.s3system.net/wordpress': File exists * THats an already symlink |
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| 01:04.21 | zykotick9 | BenLue: is it possible you tried without the -s once? |
| 01:04.33 | Nik05 | hardlink? |
| 01:05.00 | zykotick9 | BenLue: sorry nevermind. my bad. you can't hardlink directories (easily, or possibly at all) |
| 01:05.29 | BenLue | -.- |
| 01:05.33 | Nik05 | yeah thats what i thought |
| 01:05.53 | Nik05 | and thats what manual says :P |
| 01:06.25 | Hrym | <PROTECTED> |
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| 01:06.33 | Hrym | >.< |
| 01:06.37 | Nik05 | and you need to use -d for that to try |
| 01:06.51 | Nik05 | wa faen Hrym |
| 01:07.30 | Nik05 | oh wait that .no not svenska |
| 01:08.07 | Nik05 | so BenLue do you get it? |
| 01:08.25 | Hrym | Nik05: Unnskyld :/ |
| 01:08.54 | Nik05 | im not svensk... |
| 01:10.30 | Nik05 | Hrym what does that mean? innocent? |
| 01:10.59 | Hrym | Nik05: 'sorry', in norwegian |
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| 01:12.32 | Nik05 | ah ok Hrym looks like entschuldigung or something in deutsch |
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| 01:13.28 | Nik05 | well more sounds like :P |
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| 01:19.54 | Hrym | oh, probably could mean something like that too. I'm not norwegian though, thought you were... ^^ |
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| 01:22.46 | Nik05 | Hrym im not norsk but unnskyld sounds like onschuld in dutch which means innocent, which probably comes from entschuldigung in deutsch :P |
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| 01:23.26 | abrotman | Nik05: english please |
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| 01:23.52 | Nik05 | its english... |
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| 01:25.08 | kristijonas | Debian Squeeze. No sound. skype-debian_4.0.0.7-1_i386.deb installed. |
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| 01:25.47 | Nik05 | nice short statement |
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| 01:34.31 | jgiorgi_ | i have a functioning nat/bridge setup for xen vms (eth0 to the internet, br0 bridged to dummy0) i also have an ipv6 tunnel and have assigned an address from my routed /64 to the bridge, how can i configure it so hosts inside the bridge can reach the tunnel and thus the ipv6 internet? |
| 01:39.02 | Dagger2 | install radvd, stick this into /etc/radvd.conf: https://p.6core.net/p/QvlieQIK17sGqMHx6WqFrrg0 and stuff should work if you assigned the address to br0 correctly |
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| 01:40.52 | jgiorgi_ | Dagger2: i was hoping for a static config, not advertising (it's only a few vms), is there another option? |
| 01:42.15 | Dagger2 | I would absolutely recommend radvd over static config, even if you only had one computer |
| 01:42.24 | Dagger2 | it's a million times easier than manually configuring everything |
| 01:42.53 | Dagger2 | though you can do static config with inet6 stanzas in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 01:43.12 | jgiorgi_ | oh ok, as long as i can still assign addresses statically i'm ok |
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| 01:45.23 | Dagger2 | ah, in that case I'd consider setting "AdvAutonomous off" and use an inet6 stanza to configure an address |
| 01:45.39 | Dagger2 | that way you don't have to configure the default router as part of the static settings |
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| 01:46.34 | Dagger2 | you can still add extra static addresses even with "AdvAutonomous on", but Linux often picks a source address you don't want it to use |
| 01:46.57 | BenLue | hmmm i think my Problem isnt solved |
| 01:47.07 | jgiorgi_ | Dagger2: worked beautifully thanks |
| 01:47.44 | BenLue | when an symlink set wrong i have some trouble with the Website connection? |
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| 01:48.12 | Dagger2 | I ended up going "meh" for my servers, and using the SLAAC addresses. I only ever use DNS, so being long and unrememberable isn't a problem |
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| 01:55.14 | cetar | I have a 600 MB file to split into 3 files 200 M , how to command ? |
| 01:55.23 | abrotman | split |
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| 01:58.36 | adh0c | Anyone help with a postfix problem I'm having? |
| 01:59.09 | Towzzer | what's the issue |
| 01:59.11 | abrotman | you have to ask |
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| 01:59.22 | abrotman | (or ask #postfix) |
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| 01:59.57 | adh0c | We're running Debian 2.6 on a LAMP server with postfix and Virtualmin. |
| 02:00.03 | Towzzer | what version of debian? |
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| 02:01.19 | adh0c | I need to figure out how to change the domain from which postfix is sending for a specific account without affecting its composite site or document root. |
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| 02:02.12 | adh0c | This site used to be running a particular site, but now has got a new domain which a colleague of mine simply replaced adjusted the vhost for. |
| 02:02.43 | adh0c | Problem is, the webmaster emails are still coming from the old domain, whereas my client needs them to appear from the new domain. |
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| 02:03.31 | adh0c | The old domain has been aliased to the new one, so incoming traffic to the webmaster at the new domain is simply aliased to the maildir of the old domain. |
| 02:03.35 | mike_geebeeeee | Anyone know why "/proc/sys/net/ipv6/conf/" would contain every NIC but one, and that "net.ipv6.conf.<nic>.*" in sysctl would work for every adapter but the missing one? |
| 02:04.10 | abrotman | is it up? |
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| 02:04.15 | mike_geebeeeee | Yes |
| 02:04.22 | jgiorgi_ | what would be the best way to make xen start all vms when dom0 boots |
| 02:05.02 | adh0c | I need outgoing messages from this account to appear from the new domain. |
| 02:05.18 | adh0c | Due to this confusion, I'm not even sure where to begin. |
| 02:06.25 | wsky | apache2 seems broken in sid |
| 02:06.33 | abrotman | mike_geebeeeee: an dif you down/up it? |
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| 02:07.29 | abrotman | wsky: check the bts |
| 02:07.43 | mike_geebeeeee | Down: ifdown: interface wan0 not configured |
| 02:07.46 | mike_geebeeeee | Up: error: "net.ipv6.conf.wan0.accept_ra" is an unknown key |
| 02:07.55 | mike_geebeeeee | But it's definitely up, it's the wan IP I'm using to get out! |
| 02:08.42 | jelly-home | adh0c: outgoing addresses are typically configured on the client (their MUA, like Thunderbird or mutt or Outlook) |
| 02:09.13 | jelly-home | sender addresses, that is |
| 02:09.29 | adh0c | I know. This user generally uses the Squirrelmail interface however. |
| 02:10.02 | adh0c | Although your point is taken - let me investigate. |
| 02:10.17 | jelly-home | sounds like a virtualmin issue, and whatever database they use as backend needs to be fixed as well |
| 02:10.55 | jelly-home | ,v virtualmin |
| 02:10.56 | judd | No package named 'virtualmin' was found in i386. |
| 02:11.08 | adh0c | jelly-home - thank you. |
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| 02:16.58 | mike_geebeeeee | Can Debian/Linux be forced to rebuild /proc/sys/net/ipv6/conf* ? |
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| 02:29.12 | kristijonas | hello, suddenly, two controls for sound volume showed up next to the clock, how to find out why? |
| 02:31.17 | jgiorgi_ | whose bright idea was it to remove pyxml from the repos while xen-utils and half a dozen other package still list it as a dependency? |
| 02:31.33 | jgiorgi_ | ... that wasn't meant for irc or this channel but oops |
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| 02:33.58 | abrotman | judd: versions pyxml |
| 02:34.00 | judd | No package named 'pyxml' was found in i386. |
| 02:34.17 | jelly-home | probably python-something |
| 02:34.41 | abrotman | didn't find it .. but i search for pyxml |
| 02:34.45 | jgiorgi_ | jelly-home: nope, had to install it manually |
| 02:35.14 | jelly-home | abrotman: because it was removed! |
| 02:35.19 | jelly-home | :-D |
| 02:35.41 | Towzzer | jelly-bean :D |
| 02:35.49 | abrotman | yay! |
| 02:36.43 | jgiorgi_ | i hope i never meet the idiot that made that decision |
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| 02:47.01 | NChief | I have a server running debian, and I have get several ipv4 address assigned to one interface. (IP alias). But if I enable nat/forwarding with iptables on my openvpn interface. the IP aliasing stops working and im unable to "bind" one of the ip aliases. |
| 02:47.05 | NChief | my interfaces config: http://pastebin.com/DR4BVrLv -- iptables: http://pastebin.com/dCu41aFH |
| 02:47.10 | NChief | In other words: after running the iptables commands "curl --interface eth0:1 ifconfig.me" gives me my default ip instead of the ip on eth0:1. |
| 02:47.41 | wsky | i think i've seen you asking this question here already |
| 02:47.52 | NChief | no. this is diffrent |
| 02:48.29 | NChief | the first question I have located the problem myself |
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| 02:50.20 | wsky | ic |
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| 03:23.44 | NChief | never mind! solved it :) |
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| 03:41.54 | afroman | which is better, ARM Cortex A9 1.0 GHz or Sigma Design SMP8670 1.5G DMIPS? |
| 03:42.10 | abrotman | ask #hardware |
| 03:42.22 | zykotick9 | afroman: which is better, blue or orange? |
| 03:42.29 | abrotman | ... |
| 03:42.35 | afroman | blue |
| 03:43.01 | zykotick9 | afroman: some would disagree, which is my point ;) |
| 03:43.17 | abrotman | zykotick9: maybe you should just redirect him to a relevant channel? |
| 03:43.48 | zykotick9 | abrotman: you are right - my bad. |
| 03:44.12 | wsky | yes, blue is better, totally |
| 03:44.30 | afroman | thx for the #hardware |
| 03:44.32 | afroman | going there |
| 03:44.55 | wsky | go with christ |
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| 04:05.09 | RigidWig | how am I supposed to not use root in shell when I can't CD into directories as a sudoer ("sudo cd" command not recognized)?? |
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| 04:06.40 | alfplayer | RigidWig: cd is a shell command, that's why it doesn't work |
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| 04:07.34 | RigidWig | alfplayer right, but people always say you shouldn't be logged in as root, just add yourself to sudoer, it's not good be root, so my question is, what do I do in this kind of situation? |
| 04:07.56 | zykotick9 | RigidWig: come from ubuntu? i'd guess. |
| 04:08.02 | Coweater | use root |
| 04:08.11 | RigidWig | zykotick9 nope... |
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| 04:08.31 | Sorinan | I removed X, since I don't need it anymore, but now my system starts to tty7. How do I change that to tty1? |
| 04:08.46 | zykotick9 | RigidWig: there is nothing wrong with using root - just not in Xorg, or on a regular basis. but to admin the machine, it's perfect |
| 04:08.46 | RigidWig | ok, use root for that scenario, or is it ok to just log in as root and save all the hassle of sudoing and passwords? why would logging in as root be bad? |
| 04:08.59 | Coweater | the point of not using root is to avoid opening yourself to accidental commands that break things, if your root account has no password to avoid logins use 'sudo su' |
| 04:09.07 | zykotick9 | Sorinan: just because #ubuntu doesn't answer does NOT make it ok to ask in #debian. |
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| 04:09.29 | alfplayer | zykotick9: they are debian packages too, aren't they? |
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| 04:10.08 | zykotick9 | alfplayer: sorry? sudo you mean? |
| 04:10.18 | alfplayer | zykotick9: and bash |
| 04:10.20 | Sorinan | zykotick9, yep, as this is a relatively low level config, ubuntu and debian shares the same properties |
| 04:10.45 | zykotick9 | !tell Sorinan about based on debian |
| 04:11.24 | alfplayer | zykotick9: it's the same on all distros |
| 04:11.44 | zykotick9 | alfplayer: i'm sorry. what is your point? |
| 04:11.57 | alfplayer | zykotick9: that he can ask here |
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| 04:12.16 | zykotick9 | !tell alfplayer about based on debian |
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| 04:13.32 | alfplayer | zykotick9: it's not about debian, or based or debian, or any distro in particular, as I see it, you see it differently, I guess |
| 04:14.24 | zykotick9 | alfplayer: i firmly believe, if you want support for distro X, you should talk to distro X's support - not distro Y's... |
| 04:15.37 | Sorinan | zykotick9, I don't want support, I want to talk and exchange ideas, that's why I'm using free software: I don't need to be bound to any vendor ^^ |
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| 04:16.48 | Sorinan | AFAIK, both distros behave exactly equal in this matter |
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| 04:17.11 | Sorinan | yet, if you still thinks I can't ask something like this is here, lemme know, i will go away |
| 04:17.40 | zykotick9 | Sorinan: #debian does not want to deal with ubuntu issues - for technical and social reasons... |
| 04:17.43 | alfplayer | Sorinan: even if they behave differently, you can take configs from another distro |
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| 04:19.33 | alfplayer | zykotick9: you'll just get a debian answer |
| 04:19.41 | zykotick9 | Sorinan: and ubuntu is NOT free software... |
| 04:19.50 | Sorinan | I would love a debian answer ^^ |
| 04:20.17 | zykotick9 | ##linux (sic) exists as a "general" channel, perhaps seeks support/discussion there. |
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| 04:20.45 | zykotick9 | alfplayer: that's all i'd expect in #debian... |
| 04:21.05 | Sorinan | zykotick9, well, THAT would be too broad, since it is a configuration specific to the debian family of distros |
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| 04:21.37 | Sorinan | zykotick9, but you mentioned social reasons, what the ubuntu guys did to you? |
| 04:21.44 | zykotick9 | Sorinan: you fail to understand that ubuntu and debian are VERY different... |
| 04:22.18 | Sorinan | and, i never said i was using distro A or B, as far as said, I could be using debian ^^ |
| 04:22.28 | zykotick9 | Sorinan: i'm in #ubuntu right now! how do you think i knew you cross-posted? |
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| 04:23.43 | Sorinan | zykotick9, i know you are |
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| 04:24.16 | Sorinan | did I say i was using ubuntu? |
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| 04:32.04 | EasyAsPie | hi |
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| 04:59.14 | jerikl | Is there a way to reconfigure network settings, bring networking down, and then back up with the new settings without having to restart? |
| 04:59.38 | jerikl | I can't seem to do so reliably. |
| 04:59.58 | zykotick9 | jerikl: ifdown & ifup |
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| 05:00.26 | jerikl | zykotick9: that doesn't seem to be working. I'm switching between DHCP and static. |
| 05:00.41 | zykotick9 | jerikl: "should" work? |
| 05:03.19 | jerikl | zykotick9: ah never mind, I'm wrong ⌠I don't know what I was doing before, but I guess it wasn't that ⌠just similar enough to confuse me :-) |
| 05:03.29 | zykotick9 | jerikl: if you are using Network Manager (or even wicd) then i have no idea... all bets are off ;) |
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| 05:21.47 | EasyAsPie | hi all |
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| 05:22.24 | LtL | EasyAsPie: hi, got a question |
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| 05:24.39 | axisys | how to automatically block illegal login attempts for temporary and unblock after certain period ? |
| 05:24.46 | axisys | ssh login attemps |
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| 05:25.09 | axisys | i see denyhosts/fail2ban/sshguard and other solutions |
| 05:25.28 | zykotick9 | axisys: i'm a fan of fail2ban |
| 05:25.29 | axisys | I am looking for something that will block the ip at the ipfilter |
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| 05:26.08 | axisys | zykotick9: i see people suggesting that at work.. does it work with ipfilter? I suppose I should google that |
| 05:26.19 | LtL | axisys: I'm not real familiar with it but you might look into fail2ban |
| 05:26.19 | zykotick9 | yes |
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| 05:27.05 | zykotick9 | axisys: yes to both ipfilter and google (i'd s/google/duckduckgo/) ;) |
| 05:27.06 | axisys | sshguard is written in C .. hoping someone suggest that or some ipfilter builtin drops like limit |
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| 05:27.15 | axisys | :-) |
| 05:27.43 | peterrooney | axisys: denyhosts, alternative to fail2ban |
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| 05:30.00 | peterrooney | better yet, move to different port, and attempts will become very few indeed. moving to a different port reduces the number of ssh authlog entries tremendously |
| 05:31.00 | zykotick9 | peterrooney: while what you say is true, that doesn't actually solve teh problem. fail2ban and using key only authentication is a better all round solution. |
| 05:31.02 | peterrooney | even better, move to key authentication only for ssh. |
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| 05:32.44 | peterrooney | The original problem as presented was, "automatically block illegal login attempts for temporary and unblock after certain period". I can't speak for fail2ban, but denyhosts does just that. |
| 05:33.12 | zykotick9 | peterrooney: sorry, is was just commenting on changing ssh's port. |
| 05:34.28 | axisys | denyhosts code last updated on 2008 ? |
| 05:35.19 | axisys | fail2ban code last update was 2012 |
| 05:35.20 | peterrooney | zykotick9: I first did that on a SunOS box that lacked TCP wrappers. We got tired of log files filling up /var |
| 05:35.52 | axisys | peterrooney: we were compiling with tcp wrapper enabled.. linux made it sooo simple :-) |
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| 05:36.08 | zykotick9 | peterrooney: i can understand ;) while it may mitigate this issue, it's not a solution. |
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| 05:38.12 | peterrooney | axisys: so, remind me again what problem you are facing? |
| 05:38.13 | axisys | sshguard requires to create a table in ipfilter and then just updates it.. looks like.. |
| 05:38.33 | Blue1 | !wheezy |
| 05:38.33 | dpkg | The release following squeeze will be called "wheezy" (the rubber toy penguin with a red bow tie) and will be Debian 7.0. Wheezy was frozen on June 30, 2012. Ask me about <testing>, <freeze>. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianWheezy #debian-next on irc.debian.org. |
| 05:38.35 | axisys | auth.log: tons of illegal users |
| 05:38.44 | axisys | peterrooney: ^ |
| 05:38.51 | axisys | from same IP |
| 05:39.01 | axisys | over 4000 per hour |
| 05:39.12 | zykotick9 | wow |
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| 05:39.37 | abrotman | on what port? |
| 05:39.44 | axisys | regular port |
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| 05:39.54 | abrotman | ... |
| 05:40.38 | axisys | past midnight.. wow.. looking for some views on sshguard as well |
| 05:40.56 | axisys | well session will be up.. |
| 05:41.05 | axisys | night all |
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| 06:02.08 | jalalsfs | When I start Debian, it shows me Warning, but I couldn't read it. |
| 06:02.16 | jalalsfs | How can I see it again? |
| 06:03.38 | zykotick9 | !tell jalalsfs about bootlog |
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| 06:04.09 | jalalsfs | zykotick9, Yeah, |
| 06:04.21 | jalalsfs | How can I see it? where is it in the system? |
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| 06:05.26 | zykotick9 | jalalsfs: "less /var/log/boot" |
| 06:07.11 | jalalsfs | zykotick9, There is no file in this path /var/log which name is boot. |
| 06:07.45 | abrotman | it may be in syslog or messages also |
| 06:07.47 | zykotick9 | jalalsfs: did you follow the bootlog factoid? it's not going to be there by default. |
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| 06:08.27 | jalalsfs | zykotick9, No, |
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| 06:16.49 | jalalsfs | abrotman, Yeah, there are to file messages and syslog as you said, thank you. |
| 06:21.17 | jalalsfs | But in both these files I couldn't find what I saw when it was starting. |
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| 06:25.08 | jalalsfs | zykotick9, Oh, sorry, I didn't tell you, I'm using Wheezy version. |
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| 06:31.02 | zykotick9 | jalalsfs: i'd guess you still need to install bootlogd and use the same path. good luck. |
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| 06:33.46 | Blue1 | !sound |
| 06:33.46 | dpkg | [sound] Ask me about <alsa>, <install alsa>, <alsa checklist>. See also <default alsa>, <devdsp>, <dmix>, <microphone>, <oss4>, <pulseaudio>. |
| 06:33.58 | Blue1 | !pulseaudio |
| 06:33.58 | dpkg | PulseAudio (formerly Polypaudio) is a cross-platform network sound server, intended as a drop-in replacement for <ESD>. Packaged for Debian since Etch, read /usr/share/doc/pulseaudio/README.Debian after installation for configuration recommendations; Debian specific how-to is at http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?t=12497 . http://pulseaudio.org/wiki/FAQ http://pulseaudio.org/ #pulseaudio on irc.freenode.net. |
| 06:34.47 | abrotman | please msg the bot |
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| 06:37.19 | jalalsfs | Blue1, Yeah, my problem is in pulseaudio. |
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| 06:38.14 | jalalsfs | Yesterday I installed this "apt-get install libpulse0:i386" |
| 06:38.14 | Blue1 | jalalsfs: I installed pulseaudio but still nothing. |
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| 06:40.04 | Blue1 | libpulse is installed |
| 06:40.19 | Blue1 | well not going to solve tonight |
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| 06:46.07 | nachos | what graphics cards does wheezy run on? my GTX680's just fail bad, crashing all the time. |
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| 06:58.32 | jalalsfs | Blue1, What the exact problem with pulse? |
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| 07:04.00 | bolt | nachos: are you sure your graphics card is the problem? which driver are you using? have you tried others? have you checked that, for instance, the fan control is working on linux, so the card doesn't run run at low fan speed and overheats? |
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| 08:09.08 | TheGrey | o/ could the cause of my wifi slowness be because my wifi is registered as wlan2 as opposed to wlan0? If so, how can I make it wlan0? |
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| 08:09.58 | cardiel | i have installed vdpau drivers , but when i try to use vdpau in mplayer i wont get any picture. someone know why? |
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| 08:34.22 | well_laid_lawn | TheGrey: it might be 'cause the card is working in b or g not n mode - the name won't make a difference |
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| 08:35.14 | _droid | hi, i have my domain "example.com" hosted on a virtual server, and I wanted to add my home server into this domain with "home.example.com". Is there something with registering a subdomain to a domain? |
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| 08:36.46 | TheGrey | well_laid_lawn: thanks your your reply! So should I get the card in n mode? If so how!? |
| 08:37.42 | well_laid_lawn | I've never had to do that - man iwconfig might know |
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| 08:41.28 | _droid | anyone? |
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| 08:46.32 | Iridos | TheGrey, no... wlan2 just means you had two other wlan-cards registered before; shouldn't make any difference. If you want to know more about how the names are assigned, /msg dpkg z70 |
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| 08:50.40 | Iridos | and the transfer mode of the wireless network is auto-negotiated between the AP and your card; they try to pick the best one that both sides support. |
| 08:50.42 | brontosaurusrex | can i embed ncurses app in conky? |
| 08:51.31 | TheGrey | Iridos: thanks. It appears that my router is working at b mode only. My card that uses ath9k, is able to support b.g and n. Could there be any issues? Like should I disbale n mode on my card? |
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| 08:55.31 | Iridos | TheGrey, dunno. Try to see in the output of dmesg if anything unusual happens when the card is recognized... or if if periodic errors related to it occur |
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| 08:56.00 | anddam | hi, do the last two lines at https://gist.github.com/anddam/4959231 mean reboot pseudo user is still logged in? if so how do "clean" this status? |
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| 08:57.04 | anddam | last's output isn't sayng "still logged in" as it does for my actual user but the time of session end is growing and now is (2+11:54) that I guess means 2 days and 12 hours |
| 08:57.27 | _droid | i have my domain "example.com" hosted on a virtual server, and I wanted to add my home server into this domain with "home.example.com". Is there something with registering a subdomain to a domain? |
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| 09:03.11 | b0lt | _droid: that's all dns stuff. nothing to do with the system itself |
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| 09:03.34 | b0lt | _droid: you have one record for example.com and another for foo.example.com |
| 09:03.58 | b0lt | in most cases, you'd have a registrar handling that |
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| 09:11.58 | jelly-home | anddam: yes, its purpose is to track time between reboots, the behaviour you observe is normal |
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| 09:17.20 | anddam | jelly-home: oh I see, clever |
| 09:17.45 | anddam | jelly-home: I was having hardtime figuring why the VPS rebooted |
| 09:18.11 | anddam | turned out the hoster cut off power cable during maintainance |
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| 09:24.10 | h32Lg | hi |
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| 09:25.07 | h32Lg | i try to install php5-suhosin on my debian box with an already installed php5.4.4-12 but receive this error: php5-suhosin : Depends: phpapi-20100525 |
| 09:25.13 | h32Lg | can you help me to fix it? |
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| 09:28.40 | b0lt | h32Lg: try with aptitude |
| 09:28.47 | h32Lg | instead of apt? |
| 09:28.51 | h32Lg | ok, i give it a try |
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| 09:30.32 | h32Lg | b0lt, http://pastebin.com/E0M8vY5t |
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| 09:32.21 | h32Lg | if i hit "n" aptitude suggests to remove php5 and a few other packages, install suhosin and then an older version of php (5.3.*) but this is not a real solution ;( |
| 09:32.58 | babilen | h32Lg: Which version of Debian are you using? Could you provide further information? (cf. "/msg dpkg bat") |
| 09:33.03 | h32Lg | we need php 5.4 but without suhosin its suicidal ;) |
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| 09:34.49 | babilen | dpkg: tell h32Lg -about pastebin.com |
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| 09:35.47 | h32Lg | babilen, i neither now the command cf, nor msg - what packages do i have to install? :/ |
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| 09:37.26 | h32Lg | squeeze/sid - dunno - both are within my apt/sources.list o.0 |
| 09:37.28 | babilen | h32Lg: "cf." means "confer" and you can think of it as "compare" -- "/msg" is an IRC command that sends private messages to other users or bots. In this case it would have sent our bot dpkg the message "bat" which ... |
| 09:37.34 | babilen | dpkg: tell h32Lg -about bat |
| 09:37.47 | h32Lg | ahh ok |
| 09:38.49 | babilen | h32Lg: ⌠would have resulted in you seeing the message the bot just sent you. php-suhosin is /not/ in wheezy. And you /really/ shouldn't have both squeeze and sid in your sources.list -- What are you trying to run? sid or squeeze? This sounds like a system that is to be used in production and sid is therefore completely out of the question. |
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| 09:39.49 | babilen | h32Lg: While you are at it: Include the output of "dpkg -l multiarch-support apt libc6" and your sources.list too please. (you can paste them to http://paste.debian.net -- i'll be back in a second) |
| 09:39.51 | h32Lg | yes, its a production system but we need a working php 5.4 installation with suhosin patch but this seems not possible :/ |
| 09:39.57 | h32Lg | http://paste.debian.net/234391/ |
| 09:40.36 | h32Lg | babilen, multiarch-support: http://paste.debian.net/234392/ |
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| 09:43.42 | h32Lg | we may want to upgrade to wheezy? |
| 09:43.56 | babilen | *sigh* |
| 09:44.03 | h32Lg | ;( |
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| 09:44.16 | babilen | h32Lg: Ok, this is going to be tricky, but let me provide a few explanations first. ok? |
| 09:44.40 | h32Lg | ok |
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| 09:46.14 | babilen | h32Lg: First and foremost: Never mix stable with anything but <backports>. (ask our bot about the things in <...> ; /msg dpkg backports) which exist for a number of packages and are therefore easy to install. If there is no backport you can create one yourself by following the instructions in <ssb>. |
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| 09:47.11 | babilen | h32Lg: Not all packages are easy to backport though due to different reasons, but one of the main reasons is that its build-dependencies cannot be met. You can check that by asking another bot what /else/ needs to be backports (e.g. "/msg judd checkbackport php5") |
| 09:47.20 | babilen | judd: checkbackport php5 |
| 09:47.31 | judd | Backporting package php5 in sidâsqueeze/i386: all build-dependencies satisfied using squeeze, virtual. |
| 09:48.48 | babilen | h32Lg: As you can see ^^^ build-dependency wise it would be fine to backport the php version from sid or wheezy, but unfortunately it is not as easy. Essentially you cannot install the version of PHP that you want on squeeze, so we have to consider alternatives. |
| 09:49.11 | h32Lg | ok |
| 09:50.16 | h32Lg | an alternate could be either upgrade to wheezy or backport the php from sid/wheezy and an upgrade is not recommended as wheezy is not yet stable? ;) |
| 09:50.40 | babilen | h32Lg: The best alternative right now would be to run wheezy (either as host or as a VM / chroot). You can upgrade squeeze systems to wheezy by following http://www.debian.org/releases/wheezy/amd64/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html (in essence: <squeeze->wheezy>) but this might or might not work for you anymore. This is because you are somewhere in between squeeze and sid as you've simply added sid sources and started to install packages. |
| 09:51.29 | babilen | h32Lg: Two other things complicate things further: Some of the packages you have installed from sid right now might be older in wheezy and php-suhosin is also not in wheezy. |
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| 09:51.50 | babilen | h32Lg: So, that's for the explanations :) |
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| 09:52.53 | h32Lg | ok, so wheezy ist stable and for production use but php-suhosin is also not available on wheezy? |
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| 09:53.19 | babilen | h32Lg: Given that wheezy will be released as stable soonish (within the next months) it should be okay to run in. I am not too fond to recommend it, but it is certainly better than the alternatives. So what you want to end up with is a pure wheezy system with php-suhosin backported (as per <ssb>) from sid. |
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| 09:54.06 | deepy- | I have the install disk for Wheezy and I want to edit my partitions using GParted before doing an install, is this possible? |
| 09:54.09 | h32Lg | ok, a few months is hard because we need a stable version for our PCI compliant environment ;) |
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| 09:54.12 | babilen | h32Lg: No, wheezy is /not yet/ stable and also not really meant for production use, but it has been frozen for some time and is quite usable these days. It will be released soonish, but that day is not yet. It is still the best alternative in your case. |
| 09:54.31 | h32Lg | ok ,thank you babilen :) |
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| 09:55.22 | deepy- | I can't seem to find apt-get or dpkg when in the rescue mode either |
| 09:55.40 | babilen | h32Lg: Ok, I understand, but wheezy has not yet been released. The versions will /not/ change (unless absolutely necessary). Read about what it means to be frozen in <freeze> and related documentation. I don't know what that means in regard to PCI compliance (which is IMHO a pain in the arse rather than a useful metric of what constitutes a good/supported system) |
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| 09:56.55 | babilen | h32Lg: But mixing squeeze with sid is /definitely/ the worst you can do and it will just break your system. If you are not allowed to use wheezy (vm, chroot) then you can give backporting PHP a try, but I doubt that it'll work without patches to the packaging. |
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| 09:57.38 | babilen | h32Lg: You might also have to consider a different distribution (e.g. Ubuntu) that has a "stable" release with the PHP version you require. |
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| 09:57.50 | babilen | h32Lg: Might I ask /why/ you require that version? |
| 09:57.56 | foo357 | Hello, what modes and stuff can a directory have other than the ugo rwx permissions? What would 2xxx signify? |
| 09:57.56 | babilen | (and please don't say PCI) |
| 09:58.23 | EmleyMoor | foo357: man chmod |
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| 09:59.08 | EmleyMoor | Hmmm... sure it used to be a better man page |
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| 10:01.02 | EmleyMoor | I think it's either setuid or setgid... |
| 10:01.05 | deepy- | To change my question then, can I run apt-get or dpkg somehow from the rescue mode? |
| 10:01.38 | deepy- | I believe 2xxx is setgid |
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| 10:01.46 | deepy- | and 4xxx is setuid |
| 10:01.56 | EmleyMoor | 1xxx is sticky? |
| 10:02.31 | deepy- | yep |
| 10:02.55 | EmleyMoor | It matches what I thought then... |
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| 10:05.03 | jeredepp | Anyone here with some experience about networkspeeds on transatlantic connections or someone who can guide me to the correct channel? |
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| 10:05.16 | fosstux | Hi! I've just moved the hdds of my debian setup to a new case. The nic is a Realtec 8169 card - debian loads the r8169 kernel module. The system boots, but I have no network connection - the eth0 device does not exist. |
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| 10:05.24 | fosstux | What am I missing? |
| 10:06.04 | jeredepp | did you define it in /etc/networking ? |
| 10:06.14 | foo357 | ok thanks EmleyMoor |
| 10:06.49 | babilen | dpkg: tell fosstux about 70 |
| 10:07.10 | babilen | fosstux: Do you have firmware installed for the realtek card? (cf. <r8169>) |
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| 10:07.38 | fosstux | babilen: no |
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| 10:08.13 | h32Lg | babilen, ok, i just send an email to our PCI auditor and asked what it means in regard to compliance. |
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| 10:08.36 | h32Lg | babilen, we need php5.4 as we developed a complete portal with namespaces, traits and a few other php 5.4 features |
| 10:09.51 | babilen | h32Lg: Good luck, it would be a shame if you were forced to use something as "unstable" as Ubuntu (non LTS releases in this case for the PHP version probably) just ot be compliant with some boneheaded certification :) |
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| 10:11.22 | babilen | fosstux: You might want to change that. Could you give me the PCIID (lspci -nn|grep -i ethernet) which is an alphanumerical identifier that looks like [abcd:1234] of the card please? Which version of Debian do you use? |
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| 10:14.12 | deepy- | So, when booted in the resscue mode and lacking a root fs, can I somehow access dpkg or apt-get? |
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| 10:15.34 | deepy- | (I'm using the install cd) |
| 10:15.36 | h32Lg | babilen, i think that backporting php including suhosin is the way to go |
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| 10:16.33 | babilen | h32Lg: I am really not sure how easy that'll be, but you /can/ give it a try. |
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| 10:18.08 | babilen | dpkg: tell deepy- -about fixmbr |
| 10:18.29 | babilen | deepy-: Follow those instructions to chroot into the system. (don't run the grub related stuff at the end though) |
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| 10:19.50 | deepy- | Yeah I don't have a root fs to mount |
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| 10:20.19 | deepy- | But I have plenty of RAM so I was hoping to use a RAM disk to install the tools I need so I can prepare the disk |
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| 10:21.16 | deepy- | babilen: so those instructions won't work for me :-) |
| 10:22.11 | babilen | deepy-: Huh, I must have misunderstood your question then. What are you trying to do? |
| 10:23.32 | deepy- | babilen: launch gparted |
| 10:23.40 | deepy- | from the rescue mode of the wheezy install cd |
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| 10:26.10 | babilen | deepy-: Why don't you just use partman that is on the CD? I would recommend to use a real live CD if you need that |
| 10:27.06 | deepy- | babilen: does partman let shrink a current partition? |
| 10:27.16 | babilen | it does, yes |
| 10:27.28 | babilen | deepy-: That is discussed in the installation guide IIRC |
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| 10:27.40 | deepy- | does it force me to input the values in cylinders? |
| 10:28.05 | babilen | No, I'm afraid you have to use bowler hats |
| 10:29.28 | babilen | deepy-: http://www.debian.org/releases/testing/amd64/ch03s05.html.en |
| 10:29.55 | deepy- | I'm already reading that |
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| 10:31.44 | babilen | deepy-: good |
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| 10:36.39 | vaillor | hi guys |
| 10:36.56 | vaillor | how to repeat "find" in vim ? |
| 10:37.12 | EmleyMoor | vaillor: n |
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| 10:45.00 | jeredepp | vaillor: type /searchterm |
| 10:45.11 | jeredepp | vaillor: you can skip results with n |
| 10:45.16 | vaillor | yes, i done |
| 10:45.18 | vaillor | thanks :) |
| 10:45.59 | babilen | vaillor: Also . and #vim |
| 10:46.48 | jeredepp | any idea where i can find a channel concerning transatlantic connectivity? |
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| 10:52.48 | babilen | jeredepp: ##networking might know *shrug* |
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| 10:53.44 | jeredepp | babilen: thanks |
| 10:53.53 | jeredepp | i thought too far |
| 10:55.00 | alegen | hello debian people |
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| 10:55.55 | alegen | running debian 7 from inside virtualbox and i cannot install the guest additions. when i try as root it says permission denied |
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| 10:56.31 | alegen | su root, type password, cd /media/cdrom, ./VBoxLinuxAdditions.run |
| 10:56.47 | babilen | alegen: Show us on http://paste.debian.net please, provide as many information as possible. |
| 10:56.53 | babilen | *much |
| 10:56.55 | babilen | *sigh* |
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| 11:00.51 | ChrisH | alegen please a ls -l VBoxLinuxAdditions.run in your paste |
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| 11:03.55 | alegen | ChrisH, babilen: http://paste.debian.net/234403/ |
| 11:04.38 | alegen | usually i am an ubuntu guy but want to go to start using debian |
| 11:04.50 | alegen | and in ubuntu usually this works :/ |
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| 11:06.18 | ChrisH | alegen: in debian it works for me. cat /proc/mounts is it mounted noexec? Or are there weird characters behind the #!/bin/bash in VBoxLinuxAdditions.run ? |
| 11:06.26 | ChrisH | afk lunch |
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| 11:07.07 | luminous | somiaj: got my x package issue resolved.. needed -t squeeze-backports |
| 11:07.09 | babilen | alegen: Have you tried the additions from the iso in virtualbox-guest-additions-iso ? How is it mounted |
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| 11:08.10 | alegen | babilen: i see it is mounted as noexec... |
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| 11:14.33 | alegen | babilen, ChrisH: remounted and now i can execute it :D |
| 11:14.34 | alegen | thanks |
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| 11:26.47 | Eryn_1983_FL | hey peeps i am trying to find a tool my friend told me about, its a service for dl the debian apt repos and then updating from you local server instead of hitting the main repos all the time? when you update |
| 11:27.52 | jrabbit | apt-mirror ? |
| 11:28.05 | Eryn_1983_FL | maybe |
| 11:28.07 | Eryn_1983_FL | checking |
| 11:28.15 | babilen | Eryn_1983_FL: Something along the lines of approx or apt-cacher-ng? (/msg dpkg apt-cacher-ng) |
| 11:28.16 | jrabbit | Eryn_1983_FL: it only really works if you have several debian machines on the same release |
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| 11:28.35 | Eryn_1983_FL | yeah i have them all on squeeze 9 of them |
| 11:28.40 | jrabbit | apt-cacher is what I was thinking of |
| 11:29.22 | babilen | Eryn_1983_FL: I would recommend a caching solution -- You can also use squid if you have that already running. |
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| 11:29.40 | babilen | not sure if approx is better than apt-cacher-ng or vice-versa though |
| 11:29.40 | Eryn_1983_FL | working on it :) |
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| 11:29.50 | Eryn_1983_FL | approx? |
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| 11:32.49 | Eryn_1983_FL | i did not like apt-cacher-ng back in the day and it looks old like 2011 time stamp on the how tos |
| 11:32.56 | Eryn_1983_FL | so going with approx and see |
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| 11:34.59 | karont | hello all |
| 11:35.01 | ChrisH | Eryn_1983_FL: apt-cacher-ng is not apt-cacher and has the main advantage you only need to set it as http-proxy and off you go. I use it on different locations without major problems. |
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| 11:36.44 | babilen | Yeah, the -ng is pretty important |
| 11:36.58 | babilen | No idea what happened in apt-cacher land though |
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| 11:44.56 | ChrisH | babilen: IIRC there were changes in python-api and therefore a rewrite would be needed and nobody started it. apt-cacher did tend to loop sometimes, so apt-cacher-ng is a good replacement |
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| 11:46.38 | babilen | ChrisH: Yeah, I remember having problems with apt-cacher ages ago, but haven't followed its development for years. It might be the best tool these days and I wouldn't know. |
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| 11:54.14 | jeredepp | do i need (and what for) vmware tools on a debian image made for a virtual enviroment? |
| 11:54.27 | jeredepp | allready solved |
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| 12:21.36 | ChrisH | Skilz: check your DHCP Server or ask the admin... or man ping (check for broadcast) and man arp |
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| 12:50.33 | pats_Toms | hi, someone have any idea what command "paster" do and from what package it comes? I have random shell at init.d which whant it |
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| 12:50.53 | pats_Toms | it comes from here - http://codecapsule.com/2010/10/26/automatic-repository-web-server-synchronization-commit/ |
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| 12:52.58 | ChrisH | pats_Toms: apt-file search paster shows: python-pastescript: /usr/bin/paster |
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| 12:53.46 | pats_Toms | thanks ChrisH |
| 12:54.54 | somiaj | pats_Toms: if the file is on your computer, dpkg -S <string> will tell you the packages installed that have the file |
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| 12:58.08 | sLa_ | Hi, i have question. |
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| 12:59.08 | thunderrd | We don't have answers if we don't hear it |
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| 12:59.31 | sLa_ | Is there a possibility of running Debian (without any graphical shell, just console) in Virtualbox in resolution higher then 640x480? |
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| 12:59.47 | sLa_ | I can't figure this one out :( |
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| 13:00.17 | somiaj | you need some sort of framebuffer. I'd think the old vesa framebuffer would work. |
| 13:00.20 | sLa_ | I'm using it at school and it's really annoying for me to look at this little box :)) |
| 13:00.21 | ChrisH | sLa_: "without any graphical shell" and "resolution higher then 640x480" does not work together for me. |
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| 13:00.55 | somiaj | I'm not sure if you an use any of the newer kms modules since you only have a virtulized hardware. |
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| 13:01.01 | sLa_ | ok, is is possible to somehow stretch out console to fullscreen? :D |
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| 13:01.18 | Kunsi | easiest way would be using ssh |
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| 13:01.37 | ChrisH | sLa_: this is virtualbox related. Open the server console in full screen mode |
| 13:01.38 | sLa_ | somiaj, thx, i'll look into it |
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| 13:02.14 | somiaj | sLa_: though Kunsi of using and ssh client and sshing to the vbox instance would give you a easily resizable terminal |
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| 13:02.26 | sLa_ | ChrisH, believe me, i tried. It's still small ... |
| 13:02.37 | nu11p01n73R | wireless not detected with firmware-ralink installation, network controller ralink device 539f |
| 13:02.42 | ChrisH | sLa_: hostkey + F |
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| 13:03.09 | somiaj | nu11p01n73R: lspci(what is the actual chipset of your device) |
| 13:03.10 | ChrisH | sLa_: and/or install the virtualbox extentions... its recommended anyhow |
| 13:03.36 | sLa_ | ok, thank you guys ;) |
| 13:03.43 | sLa_ | i'll try something :D |
| 13:03.47 | ChrisH | sLa_: It does work. believe me. I did start virtualbox to verify! |
| 13:03.53 | ChrisH | something [tm]! |
| 13:03.54 | sLa_ | Hm |
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| 13:04.34 | sLa_ | For me it's just fullscreen black window with console in the center |
| 13:04.34 | sLa_ | :D |
| 13:04.41 | nu11p01n73R | somiaj: lspci gives "RaLink Device 539f" |
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| 13:05.42 | somiaj | nu11p01n73R: are you using debian squeeze with the 2.6 kernel. Seems there is only a staging driver in that kernel. In that case getting a kernel from squeeze-backports (and firmware from there too) should support that device |
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| 13:06.22 | somiaj | nu11p01n73R: http://wiki.debian.org/rt2800pci -- it has instructions for wheezy, but the squeeze-backports should give you support for that device |
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| 13:09.28 | somiaj | hmm, wait that device isn't listed as supported by that driver. I'm not finding clear info on that device. |
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| 13:11.52 | somiaj | well another post says it will work, it is really the rt5390 chipset which is supported by the rt2800pci module, just need a newer kernel if running squeeze |
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| 13:21.57 | _martin | hi |
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| 13:22.04 | _martin | I need the sourcode of the command patch |
| 13:22.07 | _martin | where do i get it? |
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| 13:23.44 | mumel | _martin: http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/patch |
| 13:23.45 | vlt | _martin: "apt-get source patch" maybe? |
| 13:23.57 | _martin | i got no apt-get command on this machine |
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| 13:24.17 | _martin | ok i try to install it with dpkg |
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| 13:24.22 | babilen | hands _martin some pickled patch |
| 13:25.01 | babilen | _martin: You can download the source package from http://packages.debian.org/source/squeeze/patch |
| 13:25.06 | _martin | thanks |
| 13:25.28 | babilen | _martin: You are after the orig.tar.gz if you don't care about the packaging. |
| 13:25.57 | _martin | ah thats good, thanks for the hint |
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| 13:27.05 | Nik05 | but babilen the patch isnt only about the packaging right? |
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| 13:29.13 | abrotman | _martin: how is it that you don't have the apt-get command? |
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| 13:29.54 | _martin | The nas was broken shipped out by NETGEAR |
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| 13:30.09 | abrotman | so you want the upstream source, not hte Debian source |
| 13:30.35 | _martin | host system is a modified debian |
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| 13:30.52 | _martin | but yes i could also use the upstream source |
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| 13:31.40 | _martin | but I didn't find the sourcecode so i thought it would be easier to use the sourcecode which is using apt-get |
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| 13:33.40 | abrotman | _martin: google "gnu patch source" |
| 13:33.45 | dinnertime | http://services.runescape.com/m=poll/rs2007-server lets do this |
| 13:33.58 | _martin | thanks abrotman |
| 13:34.06 | _martin | i was missing the "gnu" ^^ |
| 13:34.21 | abrotman | dinnertime: wrong channel |
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| 13:59.59 | vaillor | if i have a table: john smith 080 12345 |
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| 14:00.14 | vaillor | paul johnson 081 49381 |
| 14:00.16 | vaillor | and so on |
| 14:00.51 | rideh | i have a tool installed that runs as daemon. the tool is in my path, if i "forever list" it will show no results. if I "sudo forever list" i get command not found. if I "sudo su root; forever list" i get proper output.. how can i fix this to use root users path via sudo? or is that even the problem? |
| 14:00.53 | vaillor | and if i execute the command on this content: grep '\<080.*$' -v 2> output |
| 14:01.00 | vaillor | what will i get? |
| 14:01.09 | babilen | vaillor: TIAS? |
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| 14:01.15 | vaillor | what? |
| 14:01.21 | babilen | vaillor: try it and see |
| 14:01.33 | vaillor | ok |
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| 14:02.59 | babilen | rideh: "sudo -E" or make sure that it is in sudo's path (cf. "/msg dpkg sudo path") |
| 14:04.11 | ChrisH | rideh: this is the proiblem. call the command with an absoulte path from my POV this is the only "real" solution |
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| 14:06.00 | kristijonas | How to fix "two sound indicators" on the top panel? |
| 14:06.19 | vaillor | \<080.*$ |
| 14:06.32 | rideh | looks like it is trying to load a configuration from ~/.forever/config.json hmm. but even if the config is the same it only shows running scripts relative to username. |
| 14:06.35 | vaillor | \< means begin of line |
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| 14:06.48 | vaillor | & means end of line |
| 14:06.50 | vaillor | right? |
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| 14:08.02 | ChrisH | vaillor: no. |
| 14:08.16 | babilen | vaillor: no, ^ is what you want |
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| 14:09.09 | vaillor | \<080.*$ means matching words that starts and ends with "080" ? |
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| 14:10.18 | ChrisH | vaillor: no. you have to have <80 some characters and then linend \< escapes the < |
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| 14:11.35 | rideh | just created an alias for 'sudo env PATH=$PATH forever list' acheives what i need |
| 14:11.57 | vaillor | http://pastebin.com/NaVtRM4A |
| 14:12.01 | vaillor | ChrisH |
| 14:12.05 | babilen | vaillor: Read "man grep" and in particular "The Backslash Character and Special Expressions" |
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| 14:14.31 | babilen | vaillor: First and foremost: This is #debian and we help with Debian related questions. Secondly, you don't need the cat as you can call head with a file argument. The regular expression matches all occurrences of 080 with an empty string before that anywhere on the line. The -v inverts the match so all entries without 080 are shown. |
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| 14:19.03 | neon__ | when I watch on you tube people skin is blue. |
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| 14:19.57 | babilen | .oO( stop watching videos of the blue man group ) |
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| 14:20.44 | neon__ | I am not watch in on the blue man group :( |
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| 14:21.21 | babilen | neon__: Which version of Debian do you use? How did you install the flash plugin? Is it being reported in "about:plugins"? Which version is it? |
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| 14:22.05 | vaillor | babilen, ok, but if i make cat nomi | grep '\<080.*' i get the same output |
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| 14:23.15 | zykotick9 | neon__: right click in a playing flash window, and remove the Hardware Acceleration. |
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| 14:23.52 | babilen | vaillor: No, you don't. â http://paste.debian.net/234435/ |
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| 14:24.08 | neon__ | babilen, wheezy. i don't remember ( now I use opera). In iceweasel I have Shockwave Flash 11.2 r202 |
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| 14:24.26 | vaillor | i said another thing |
| 14:24.54 | vaillor | grep '\<080.*' = grep '\<080.*$' |
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| 14:25.23 | babilen | vaillor: That doesn't change anything in this case. |
| 14:25.46 | vaillor | why? |
| 14:26.06 | babilen | vaillor: There is no real difference - think about it and it will become clear. What does ".*" mean in the context of a regular expression? |
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| 14:26.29 | vaillor | . means all characters |
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| 14:26.50 | vaillor | *means, any repetition of before character |
| 14:26.59 | babilen | yes, and âŚ! |
| 14:27.01 | babilen | ? |
| 14:27.03 | vaillor | so .* means all characters |
| 14:27.33 | babilen | exactly, so what would be matched by ".*$" that is not matched by ".*" and vice versa? |
| 14:28.57 | neon__ | zykotick9, that solved the problem, but it kind of sucks, no? |
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| 14:29.12 | neon__ | want hardware acceleration |
| 14:29.12 | vaillor | wait |
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| 14:30.06 | vaillor | \< check at begin of the every word |
| 14:30.12 | vaillor | if it starts with 080 |
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| 14:30.40 | vaillor | is true? |
| 14:30.44 | babilen | vaillor: well, it matches an empty string followed by 080 |
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| 14:31.20 | vaillor | why you said empty string? |
| 14:31.26 | babilen | vaillor: I think you might want the #regex channel and not #debian -- Or what does this have to do with Debian? |
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| 14:31.42 | babilen | vaillor: The documentation (grep's manpage) that I mentioned earlier. |
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| 14:32.06 | tvsutton | I have a question about dealing with facl's.. If I set a default group ACL and mask of rwx for a directory, and then within that directory an executable creates a new file with perms of rw-r-----, it seems like I get an effective group facl of r--. Is there any way to have the facl "bypass" the POSIX permissions? |
| 14:32.10 | vaillor | i know, but now the channel is in idle, i don't think is a problem if i'm talking about an off topic argument |
| 14:32.37 | tvsutton | Specifically, this is a server where users SSH in and have access to use svn to create repositories. Problem is, when 'svnadmin create' calls sqlite to create a db file, it always applies 640 permissions. |
| 14:33.11 | babilen | vaillor: Well, it is getting increasingly off-topic and I would recommend to simply take it to a different channel. I've answered your questions (what /is/ your question?) as good as I can, but this is not the correct channel for long discussions about regular expressions. |
| 14:33.24 | tvsutton | The owner can correct these manually, but I'm wondering if the ACLs could instead override the POSIX perms completely in this case. |
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| 14:42.04 | ajcc | quick question, is there a handy 24x24 pixel .png of the Debian logo somewhere in share? |
| 14:42.56 | Ristovski | ajcc: /usr/share/icons/gnome/24x24/places/debian-swirl.png |
| 14:43.10 | Ristovski | only one I think |
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| 14:43.17 | Ristovski | atleast with the icons I have |
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| 14:45.15 | somiaj | ajcc: I'd grab the .svg logo and scale it to what ever size you need (convert to a .png if you can) |
| 14:45.17 | ajcc | Ristovski: excellent!, thansk a lot :) |
| 14:45.27 | Ristovski | ajcc: its only the little swirl tho |
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| 14:45.54 | somiaj | http://www.debian.org/logos/ -- seems you have lots of hoices there, and also seemst he logo is not square |
| 14:45.57 | ajcc | Ristovski: yeah, just wanted to replace the LXDE ugly logo with the nicer swirl :) |
| 14:46.11 | somiaj | looks like 25x30 is a better choice for resoultion |
| 14:46.19 | Ristovski | ajcc: oh, no problem then :D |
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| 14:47.01 | kristijonas | hello. |
| 14:47.33 | ajcc | LXDE is really nice btw, for us Gnome2 fans, it's fully supported from the install as an alternative desktop :) |
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| 14:48.06 | kristijonas | can you guys help me fix sound indicators? |
| 14:49.22 | somiaj | ajcc: debian supports lots of choice in the desktop....I still suggest a wm + configure you own desktop |
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| 14:50.26 | Ristovski | ajcc: i use mate but also have awesomewm installed |
| 14:50.30 | ajcc | somiaj: yeah, but things that can be fully configured for you during install is always nicer to recommend to people |
| 14:50.30 | Ristovski | its really flexible |
| 14:50.45 | ajcc | Ristovski: have to check it out :) |
| 14:51.04 | ajcc | somiaj: but yes, rolling your own is in the end always the best alternative |
| 14:51.35 | Ristovski | ajcc: its very hard to get it looking like you like |
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| 14:51.51 | somiaj | ajcc: lxde is a nice starting point. but I prefer to pick and choose the applications I like to use. |
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| 14:52.41 | Losowski | ajcc / somiaj: LXDE is awesome, I love it. |
| 14:53.10 | ajcc | Ristovski: looks a lot like dwm2, without the annoying floating windows are floating windows thing |
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| 14:53.48 | somiaj | Losowski: I suggest it to people who I don't want to help them configure fvwm -- what I prefer. (: |
| 14:53.54 | Ristovski | ajcc: yeah, it has more tiling modes too |
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| 14:55.08 | kristijonas | Hello, can you guys help me to fix sounding? |
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| 14:56.13 | somiaj | kristijonas: what is your problem? what sort of debugging have you done? Do you use alsa or puslseaudio? |
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| 14:56.23 | somiaj | kristijonas: /msg dpkg alsa-checklist is a good place to start for alsa (what I prefer) |
| 14:58.50 | kristijonas | somiaj, my skype didn't work, so I read on internet that i should delele pulseaudio, it didn't help, I installed it back. regardless misinformation on wiki,debian.org that "http://download.skype.com/linux/skype-debian_4.1.0.20-1_i386.deb does not work on Debian 6.0.6. Even if you force it to install, the binary fails to start." I installed it, and sounding on Skype now works perfectly. The issue is that I now can see two sound indicators on the top |
| 14:58.50 | kristijonas | panel for some reason and sometimes sounding crashes so I need restart the computer. |
| 14:59.09 | somiaj | kristijonas: but other apps play sound just fine? |
| 14:59.55 | kristijonas | somiaj, all, like vlc, for videos on Youtube (using Chrome) |
| 14:59.56 | somiaj | kristijonas: yea debian squeeze does not have multiarch support. So a multiarch package won't work. You will not get that package to work on squeeze (unless you run 32bit in the first place) |
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| 15:01.03 | kristijonas | somiaj, yea my sistem is in 32bit. the thing is that I first had "http://download.skype.com/linux/skype-debian_4.0.0.7-1_i386.deb " with no sound working on skype. |
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| 15:02.05 | somiaj | kristijonas: All i know is it works fine here. I only use alsa and will not put pulseaudio on my system. I am unsure how well skype works with pulse. But if you remove pulse you will have to reconfigure things to use alsa instead. |
| 15:02.41 | kristijonas | somiaj, then I deleted pulseaudio with (sudo apt-get purge pulseaudio), and since it didn't help, I did "sudo apt-get install pulso audio). nothing help. so I decided to install that new version of skype "http://download.skype.com/linux/skype-debian_4.1.0.20-1_i386.deb" |
| 15:03.06 | kristijonas | somiaj, now skype works well. my question is "why do I have two sound indicators on my panel now?" |
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| 15:03.41 | somiaj | kristijonas: apt-get purge pulseaudio is not a valid command. it is apt-get --purge remove pulseaudio (but you may have to apt-get autoremove after to get the auto packages assoicated with pulse to be removed too) |
| 15:04.08 | somiaj | kristijonas: those should just be applets, right click on one, and say 'remove from pannel' |
| 15:04.22 | errorist | what packages do I need to make wireless work on my thinkpad x200? lspci sais: Intel Corporation Ultimate N WiFi Link 5300. I installed firmware-iwlwifi iw wireless-tools wicd-curses and no networks show up. when all failed I even did a full restart too to make sure all modules are loaded correctly |
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| 15:04.47 | Losowski | Here is the version of Skype from their website that works perfectly for me: skype 4.0.0.8-1 i386 ... the later version didn't work properly for me. |
| 15:05.08 | kristijonas | somiaj, I only had one horizonal sound indicator at the beginning which I used to be abble to remove. but I have one additional vertical indicator, which I may not delete. I wondering, why. |
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| 15:06.00 | kristijonas | somiaj, yes, I can still remove that horizonal sound indicator, but I can't do this with the vertical one. I don't understand how it happen for this indicator to show up on my panel. |
| 15:06.02 | somiaj | kristijonas: I am unsure as I don't use pannels or systrays. |
| 15:06.24 | somiaj | kristijonas: try to figure out what program is running it. |
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| 15:06.55 | somiaj | errorist: are you running debian squeeze? |
| 15:07.01 | errorist | somiaj: wheezy |
| 15:07.05 | kristijonas | somiaj, can I somehow figure out where the system uses pulseaudio or alsamixer? |
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| 15:08.07 | somiaj | kristijonas: dpkg -l | grep pulse (Will say if you have any pulse audio packages installed -- note look for ii if says rc it isn't installed, just configs files around) |
| 15:08.33 | somiaj | errorist: http://wiki.debian.org/iwlwifi#Wheezy-1 -- looks like your device is supported in wheezy (you can find your lspci line int hat list right) |
| 15:08.47 | somiaj | errorist: so you need the iwlwifi and most likely firmware. That page should explain how to set it up |
| 15:08.47 | errorist | somiaj: its a minimum install as I only install the things I want. using awesomewm+terminal instead of a full desktop environment. So guess there is some silly package I have forgotten |
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| 15:09.33 | somiaj | errorist: if you don't have an active internet connenction you can go get the packages it suggest from packages.debian.org and copy the .deb over with a usb stick (or other media) and install with dpkg -i |
| 15:09.54 | errorist | firmware-iwlwifi should be the correct driver I think, maybe problem is on some missing wicd component.. hmm iwconfig shows interface, and I can iwlist wlan0 scan without problems.. so card is working I suppose |
| 15:09.54 | kristijonas | somiaj, http://paste.debian.net/234453/ |
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| 15:10.14 | somiaj | errorist: did you install the firmware? (that won't be installed by default as you have to enable non-free) |
| 15:10.25 | errorist | somiaj: got it installed and module running |
| 15:10.29 | somiaj | errorist: if you use wpa network, you also need to install wpasupplicant |
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| 15:10.44 | errorist | hmmm that could actually be it :D |
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| 15:10.52 | somiaj | errorist: /sbin/ifconfig -a (you see your wireless device and dmesg says it found the firmware?) |
| 15:11.12 | somiaj | errorist: yea if that test passes, your devie is working, now it is just connencting it. And yes wpasupplicant isn't installed by default |
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| 15:11.27 | errorist | got wpasupplicant :\ probably with the iw package |
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| 15:11.49 | errorist | somiaj: after iwlwifi it found firmware and loaded required module |
| 15:11.51 | somiaj | kristijonas: looks like you have pulseaudio installed, so maybe you have a conflict and some thigns are trying to use alsa, others pulse. |
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| 15:12.14 | somiaj | errorist: you see the devince in /sbin/ifconfig -a? What have you tried to get it to connenct? |
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| 15:12.38 | errorist | yup. no problem 'ifconfig wlan up' either |
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| 15:13.09 | kristijonas | somiaj, so that indicator which I'm not able to delete might be because of some thing that tries to use alsa? |
| 15:13.13 | somiaj | seems just a configuration issue. I personally configure everything (including my wifi) in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 15:14.06 | errorist | somiaj: interesting :) what do you use when connecting to new wpa networks? |
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| 15:14.32 | somiaj | errorist: I use aliases |
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| 15:14.41 | somiaj | errorist: ifup wlan0=alias_name |
| 15:14.42 | Si1ver | hello how can i install gnome 2 from apt get ? |
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| 15:14.48 | zykotick9 | errorist: you might want to try wicd-curses for something a little more automagical then manually using interfaces |
| 15:14.54 | somiaj | errorist: then I just configure each network I use as an alias (or add a new one if I find a new network) |
| 15:15.14 | errorist | wicd-curses is my favorite so far for handling wireless, but would be cool to learn something new too :) |
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| 15:16.06 | errorist | somiaj: cool, you think you could send a link to a interfaces file where that is done? Id like to try this :) |
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| 15:17.54 | somiaj | errorist: you know how to do anything with the interfaces file, like 'iface eth0 inet dhcp' -- then maybe have some options under that? |
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| 15:19.38 | errorist | somiaj: sure. I know how to use interfaces file for advanced use.. as with kvm virtual machines, bridges, and together with vlan support. but not done advanced things on wireless there yet |
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| 15:20.06 | somiaj | errorist: http://paste.debian.net/234458/ |
| 15:20.14 | somiaj | errorist: just replace 'eth0' with the alias name, configuration is the same |
| 15:20.20 | errorist | thanks ! |
| 15:20.29 | somiaj | errorist: then you can bring that alias up with 'ifup device=alias_name' |
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| 15:20.45 | somiaj | errorist: note chmod 600 /etc/network/interfaces (so others can't read your keys if you care) |
| 15:21.10 | errorist | thats cool |
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| 15:21.57 | errorist | thought it would be a lot lot more complicated, but this is awesome |
| 15:22.15 | monaco | BRB! |
| 15:22.19 | monaco | BRB! |
| 15:22.27 | monaco | BRB! |
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| 15:22.35 | somiaj | it is as complicated as the network you need to configure. So you can do static, or any other vaild option inside an alias |
| 15:22.48 | somiaj | add pre-up, post-up or what ever scripts and so forth. |
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| 15:23.45 | Si1ver | Im on Crunchbang linux which uses debians repo but it is using openbox at the moment is it even possible to install gnome 2 |
| 15:24.09 | Si1ver | when i sudo apt-get install gnome it installs gnome 3 |
| 15:24.35 | nkuttler | !crunchbang |
| 15:24.36 | dpkg | CrunchBang Linux is a Live CD distribution originally based on <Ubuntu>, now based on Debian as of version 10, featuring the <Openbox> window manager. It is not supported in #debian. http://www.crunchbang.org/ #crunchbang on irc.freenode.net. See <based on debian>. |
| 15:24.52 | somiaj | Si1ver: then you are in the wrong place. This is #DEBIAN (says in 300 voice) (: |
| 15:24.55 | Ristovski | Si1ver: gnome-classic, not gnome |
| 15:25.08 | Ristovski | and yes, wrong channel |
| 15:25.27 | Ristovski | 300 voice? you mean 1323 voice? |
| 15:25.39 | somiaj | Ristovski: this is sparta!! |
| 15:25.40 | nkuttler | you forgot my cat |
| 15:25.48 | Si1ver | sorry :( 300 movie voice just before the kick down the well |
| 15:25.51 | Ristovski | somiaj: indeed |
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| 15:27.43 | somiaj | Si1ver: cruchbang just uses it's own package archive and some things change. It is better to ask them for package names, policy as what works in debian may or may not work in crunchbang and it is better for support for us to debug things that should work but don't beause of the repos you are using. |
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| 15:28.33 | Si1ver | thank you somiaj ill go ask them for package name :) |
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| 15:40.15 | errorist | somiaj: Got wicd-curses to work at least.. some serious err from my side.. wicd configuration that was wrong :) |
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| 15:41.15 | errorist | somiaj: now I got the interfaces way to do it to work too. only got a unsecured network to test on here, but definately using this a lot more in the future, and pulling wicd only when/if needed. |
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| 15:42.20 | errorist | somiaj: I loved that way of doing it. Just feels like the correct way of connecting to a network. How it was ment to be :p Thanks a lot for tip |
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| 15:43.00 | somiaj | all the interfaces file is, is a configuration file for ifconfg and iwconfig (so you don't have to manually type it out each time) |
| 15:43.24 | somiaj | there is some other logic going with it, but basically it just simplifies the calling of those. But it seems people are moving away from ifconfig to ip these days |
| 15:43.24 | errorist | so simple and straightforward :) awesome |
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| 15:47.48 | Aut0Exec | how can i make that motd disappear after logging into my vps . |
| 15:48.09 | Aut0Exec | gives me linux version |
| 15:48.22 | Aut0Exec | then some "The programs included with the Debian...." |
| 15:48.24 | Aut0Exec | yada yada |
| 15:48.30 | Aut0Exec | then Last login |
| 15:48.35 | zykotick9 | Aut0Exec: "clear" perhaps? |
| 15:48.36 | somiaj | Aut0Exec: that is read from the file /etc/motd |
| 15:48.50 | Aut0Exec | somiaj: yeah but..how to not make that display? |
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| 15:48.55 | somiaj | well some of it is, the big chunk is |
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| 15:48.58 | Aut0Exec | somiaj: after logging in that is |
| 15:49.01 | somiaj | replace it with an empty /etc/motd file |
| 15:49.13 | Aut0Exec | k |
| 15:50.19 | zykotick9 | somiaj: would disabling the motd service accomplish the same thing? |
| 15:50.38 | Footur | Aut0Exec: take a look into you sshd configuration |
| 15:50.39 | Aut0Exec | and how to disable motd? |
| 15:50.44 | Footur | *your |
| 15:50.52 | Aut0Exec | Footur: i did .. its not in there... its after logging in |
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| 15:51.03 | Aut0Exec | so its probably in .bashrc or .profile or something |
| 15:51.07 | Aut0Exec | but i checked |
| 15:51.09 | Aut0Exec | not there |
| 15:51.32 | Footur | Aut0Exec: let me start my debian vm... :) |
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| 15:51.37 | Aut0Exec | ok |
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| 15:52.18 | somiaj | zykotick9: depends on the setup, seems all the script in init.d does is add some stuff to /var/run/motd.dynamic here, seems both are read by pam_motd |
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| 15:52.42 | somiaj | Aut0Exec: looks like it is given by pam_motd, I have never messed with configuring pam modules myself |
| 15:52.44 | Shizuo | I wish RMS was a better person |
| 15:52.51 | Aut0Exec | ok |
| 15:52.51 | abrotman | wrong channel? |
| 15:52.55 | Aut0Exec | somiaj: thanks |
| 15:53.13 | Aut0Exec | i'll probably just leave it then |
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| 15:54.30 | Shizuo | Stop the hate |
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| 15:55.03 | Footur | Aut0Exec: PAM isn't much complicate. but I if you're not conform, let be. |
| 15:55.29 | jalalsfs | Yesterday, I run this command "apt-get install libpulse0:i386" but now when I restart or reboot the system there is a warning messages it says "Pulseaudio configured per-user session" |
| 15:55.52 | jalalsfs | I'm using Wheezy 64. |
| 15:56.11 | Shizuo | RMS would definitely not approve that |
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| 15:57.06 | Footur | Aut0Exec: The MOTD option SSH is PrintMotd |
| 15:57.22 | abrotman | Shizuo: please go play somewhere else, thank you |
| 15:57.29 | Footur | Aut0Exec: but in your case it's PAM |
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| 15:59.22 | sacredchao | I'm trying to add a printer via the CUPS web server at localhost:631 but it wants a username/password (which I have not set) |
| 15:59.29 | sacredchao | What is the default username/password for CUPS? |
| 15:59.42 | ksk | it asks for root credentials |
| 16:00.05 | sacredchao | o |
| 16:00.07 | sacredchao | duh |
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| 16:10.01 | dennisvb | Wich book should I read to start programming in Debian, I already have a little bit of knowledge about c and c++, but not much. |
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| 16:10.25 | dennisvb | on Debian* |
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| 16:14.21 | Footur | dennisvb: did you have experience with the GNU build system and GCC? |
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| 16:14.44 | dennisvb | Footur: I did compile a few simple programs using gcc -c ... etc. |
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| 16:15.13 | dennisvb | Footur: Also created a really simple Makefile |
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| 16:15.41 | grv | hi folks |
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| 16:17.10 | h7251 | hi, what's the easiest way to make debian always install and use debug packages? |
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| 16:18.59 | ChrisH | dennisvb: What is special on start programming on debian? |
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| 16:20.32 | dennisvb | ChrisH: I want to know if there is a good book or website for information about programming on Linux, doesn't have to be Debian, because I know that doesn't make a difference. |
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| 16:20.49 | monaco | ha |
| 16:21.09 | ChrisH | dennisvb: What did you code before? C/C++ is the same everywhere. |
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| 16:21.44 | dennisvb | ChrisH: Just know a bit about C and C++, but not much. |
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| 16:22.38 | ChrisH | dennisvb: get yourself an idea, en editor and gcc suite to compile. Or are you asking on GUI building with eg. QT? |
| 16:23.34 | dennisvb | ChrisH: Some sites suggested compiling with gcc on the command line, but some said QT is a better choice, because it is a complete IDE. |
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| 16:24.16 | ChrisH | QT is a libray and can be used with commandline compiling. |
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| 16:24.41 | dennisvb | ChrisH: Oh, but it's an IDE too, or is that QT creator? |
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| 16:26.48 | monaco | I am around |
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| 16:27.40 | ChrisH | dennisvb: from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qt_Creator qt creator is a ide. |
| 16:29.01 | n3lthon_ | hi, how can i use update-alternative to sync entire folder content to another folder as slave? i want all executables from /opt/ruby/bin to /usr/local/bin (i caompiled ruby from source to /opt folder)? |
| 16:29.26 | n3lthon_ | compiled* |
| 16:30.07 | n3lthon_ | i dont want to create one slave line for each bin file |
| 16:30.10 | monaco | I TRY AND I DO NOT KNOW HOW TO FAIL :P |
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| 16:30.20 | ChrisH | n3lthon_: from my understanding this is not, what update-alternative is made for. |
| 16:30.46 | Ristovski | n3lthon_: just copy them over? |
| 16:30.55 | n3lthon_ | CrishH: thank you |
| 16:31.16 | Ristovski | n3lthon_: or just set your path to /opt/ruby/bin/ and you dont have to do anything |
| 16:31.36 | n3lthon_ | Ristovski: its another option, but for that i want to put folder in the path |
| 16:31.57 | Ristovski | for me that seems like the right thing to do |
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| 16:33.02 | n3lthon_ | Ristovski: do you know where can i set the path global for shell user and remote ones? /etc/profile is enough? |
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| 16:33.36 | Ristovski | n3lthon_: for local user its in the .bashrc, no idea for remote and other ones |
| 16:33.44 | pats_Toms | hi, is there any way to make file with permissions to edit only for two users? |
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| 16:34.12 | n3lthon_ | pats_Toms: create a group for them and set edit permissions for the group |
| 16:34.19 | pats_Toms | oh |
| 16:34.32 | pats_Toms | thanks n3lthon_ |
| 16:34.42 | n3lthon_ | one file can only belong to a user and one group |
| 16:35.01 | n3lthon_ | *same applies to folders |
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| 16:36.39 | Ahti333 | how can i run a script when a dvd/cd is inserted? |
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| 16:37.24 | Ahti333 | preferably at the point when it is not only mechanically inserted but also mountable |
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| 16:43.28 | ChrisH | Ahti333: are you looking for udev? |
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| 16:51.12 | confusid | on my laptop I have squeeze installed and xrandr works as one would expect. On my desktop I have wheezy installed and xrandr limits me to what size I can create the screen using 2 monitors. I'm not sure what is limiting me. I had squeeze installed on the desktop and xrandr worked as expected but I installed the backports video driver for the radeon card and thats when things seemed to not work with xrandr. I'm not sure w |
| 16:52.08 | Ahti333 | ChrisH looks like it might do the job ⌠but it looks pretty complicated also, is this the only way to do stuff like this? |
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| 16:55.07 | ChrisH | Ahti333: I do not know what your target/goal is. |
| 16:55.49 | Ahti333 | basically, i put a dvd in the tray and close it, the pc (headless system) recognizes that, runs some scripts to copy stuff off the disk, and ejects it again |
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| 17:00.45 | ChrisH | Ahti333: How often is that expected? I personally would use a script executed from cron for that |
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| 17:01.09 | Twinkletoes | After installing spamassassin and putting the relevant entry in master.cf, my (pre-spamassassin) X-Original-To headers are being replaced with the default address of the mailbox. Is there any way to stop this behaviour? |
| 17:01.11 | Twinkletoes | I might have read something about it being when the filtering occurs but I have no idea how to change that |
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| 17:01.52 | Ahti333 | not very often ⌠one or two times a week i guess |
| 17:02.10 | ChrisH | Ahti333: why not login via ssh and start the copy job? |
| 17:02.56 | Ahti333 | because i want others to be able to do this as well, and they have no idea what ssh even is |
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| 17:05.39 | ChrisH | Ahti333: 3 options. Option 1: http://wiki.debian.org/udev reboot the box while testing; udev reload did not allways work for me Option 2: create a cronjob Option 3: teach "others" to use ssh. A user/pw in putty is sufficient if the shell is set to your copy script. |
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| 17:14.14 | Ahti333 | hm, sounds like cronjob is the best way, thanks for the advice :) |
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| 17:17.37 | tompaw | Hello. |
| 17:17.52 | tompaw | How do I permanently set ulimit -n, so it survives reboots and stuff? |
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| 17:20.54 | vt0r | tompaw, set up the limits in /etc/security/limits.conf |
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| 17:22.04 | vt0r | You'll need something like this: |
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| 17:22.27 | vt0r | username soft nofile 32768 |
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| 17:22.37 | vt0r | username hard nofile 65536 |
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| 17:23.54 | confusid | Does the Newer Xorg have default settings to allow only up to a certain size of a desktop? |
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| 17:25.44 | kallisti | hey. |
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| 17:31.43 | somiaj | confusid: no. But the newer xorg with a blank xorg.conf will detect the resolutions ti can support based off the edid of the monintor and the capability of your graphics card |
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| 17:32.00 | somiaj | confusid: check /var/log/Xorg.0.log to see why it is detecting the resolutions ti does. |
| 17:32.26 | confusid | confusid@backroom:~$ xrandr | head -1 "Screen 0: minimum 320 x 200, current 1680 x 1050, maximum 1680 x 1680" |
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| 17:32.46 | somiaj | if you are getting low resolutions it might be that your graphics isn't detected and you are using vesa |
| 17:32.59 | somiaj | that is most likely based of the edid of your monintor |
| 17:33.07 | confusid | edid? |
| 17:33.30 | somiaj | it is a standard way for a monintor to tell a graphics card/computer what its capabilities are |
| 17:33.54 | confusid | ty, looking and googling more |
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| 17:34.11 | somiaj | how do you know your monintor can support higher resolutions? |
| 17:34.32 | confusid | had windows xp on this box and it would do the 1680 x 1050 |
| 17:34.53 | somiaj | seems that is what you have right now, what is the problem? |
| 17:34.54 | confusid | if I use mirror mode they can do the same in squeeze or wheezy |
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| 17:35.27 | somiaj | think I misspoke, the maximum by xrandr is based of off something else though. I forget what, the maximum on my lcd display on my laptop is |
| 17:35.33 | somiaj | Screen 0: minimum 320 x 200, current 1366 x 768, maximum 8192 x 8192 |
| 17:36.00 | confusid | I would like to not have 2 monitors mirrored. have an extended desktop using the 1050 for height but then if possible double the width so 3360x1050 |
| 17:36.34 | confusid | the xrandr | head-1 is what is telling I can do 1680x1680 |
| 17:36.54 | confusid | but if I have squeeze installed I can get xrandr to do what I am trying to do. |
| 17:37.09 | confusid | just when I update the video driver from backports things are restricted. |
| 17:37.56 | somiaj | confusid: are you using a custom xorg.conf file? |
| 17:38.08 | confusid | no xorg.conf file being used at the moment. |
| 17:38.18 | somiaj | did you just install the upgraded driver from backports, or did you also install xorg from there as well? |
| 17:38.21 | kallisti | so I switching from testing to unstable and now I have a whole host of problems. For starters I get this error when attempting to use apt-get: http://sprunge.us/RMGA |
| 17:38.33 | confusid | first just the video driver and the 3. kernel |
| 17:38.44 | confusid | and it stopped xrandr from doing it's magic. |
| 17:39.02 | confusid | then installed xorg from backports thinking I needed to update that also |
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| 17:39.23 | somiaj | confusid: might be something with squeeze xorg vs the squeeze-backport drivers. I see two options. 1) see if installing xorg form backports as well fixes it |
| 17:39.40 | somiaj | confusid: and 2) you can add a small bit in an xorg.conf file and force the virtuial desktop size to be bigger |
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| 17:40.33 | somiaj | confusid: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-general-1/xrandr-screen-cannot-be-larger-than-595649/ the first answer there gives you what to do with your xorg.conf to force it to be bigger |
| 17:40.35 | confusid | option 1 I tried so with option 2... Can I set the virtual desktop size from command line or do I have to use a xorg.conf file? |
| 17:40.53 | somiaj | I belive it is set at startup, I don't know if you can modify that setting on the fly |
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| 17:41.30 | confusid | somiaj: Thank you very much!! I've been googling in the dark. will read more since I now know a direction. |
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| 17:42.43 | confusid | the link says it is empty |
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| 17:43.07 | confusid | ok that was weird.. copy didn't work correctly. |
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| 17:44.16 | gnarface | can anyone here help me troubleshoot VM creation in opennebula ? |
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| 17:49.37 | ksk | hey |
| 17:50.00 | ksk | how do i tell my kernel do load dm_mod during bootup? it does not and so mounting the rootfilesystem (which is on an LVM) fails. |
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| 17:52.24 | dutchfish | ksk, cat /proc/modules | grep dm_mod ? |
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| 17:52.59 | dondelelcaro | ksk: it should load it automatically on bootup, assuming you're using a Debian kernel and a standard initramfs |
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| 17:54.04 | ksk | dutchfish: there is only busybox right now, so no. and i asked about "during bootup" |
| 17:54.24 | ksk | dondelelcaro: im afraid its not the standard debian kernel, but the module is in my initrd - i can load it manually |
| 17:54.31 | ksk | just wondering why this does not happen automagicly |
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| 17:56.11 | kallisti | so I switching from testing to unstable and now I have a whole host of problems. For starters I get this error when attempting to use apt-get: http://sprunge.us/RMGA |
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| 17:57.24 | jubei | guys I seem to have broken my apt source somehow |
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| 17:57.57 | jubei | W: Failed to fetch http://my.mirror/pub/Linux/Debian/dists/squeeze/main/source/Sources.gz 404 Not Found |
| 17:58.24 | dutchfish | ksk, it might be that it is not on your initrd, see /etc/initramfs-tools/modules how to add it with update-iniramfs |
| 17:58.34 | dondelelcaro | jubei: that's almost certainly not the right directory for your mirror |
| 17:58.41 | zykotick9 | jubei: is my.mirror a valid top level domain now? |
| 17:58.46 | dondelelcaro | jubei: but it'd be easier to answer that if you actually gave us the real output |
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| 17:58.49 | jubei | .. I just put that there |
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| 17:59.01 | jubei | coz no matter what mirror I try I get the same message |
| 17:59.32 | jubei | since I'm in JP I am looking at mirrors from here: http://www.debian.org/mirror/mirrors_full#JP |
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| 17:59.56 | jubei | this is my 1st apt source: deb http://cdn.debian.or.jp/pub/Linux/Debian/ squeeze main |
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| 18:00.47 | Nik05 | http://cdn.debian.or.jp/pub/Linux/debian/ |
| 18:00.58 | vt0r | Why not use http://ftp.jp.debian.org/debian/ ? |
| 18:01.02 | Nik05 | Debian -> debian |
| 18:01.18 | vt0r | That's the default for JP and it's a load-balanced list of a few mirrors, from the description |
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| 18:01.48 | dutchfish | ksk, also think about dm_mod, dm_log, dm_snapshot, dm_mirror and family |
| 18:02.14 | jubei | well I'll be damn it worked. |
| 18:02.21 | jubei | how on earth did that D end up upper-case... |
| 18:02.35 | ksk | ill take a closer look, thanks guys :) |
| 18:02.39 | jmd | I dist-upgraded from 6.0.5 to 6.0.6 and it messed with my /etc/hosts file causing me 3 days of grief. How can I stop that happening in the future? |
| 18:02.49 | jubei | thanks for the advice everyone |
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| 18:02.50 | dutchfish | ksk, yw |
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| 18:03.33 | daemonkeeper | jubei: Nothing in Debian is supposed to touch /etc/hosts once its installed. |
| 18:03.36 | daemonkeeper | err jmd -^ |
| 18:04.24 | jmd | Hmm. This is a bug then? |
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| 18:05.46 | daemonkeeper | jmd: Probably you or a program you run modified it by accident. In Debian, the file is created by the debian installer (only) |
| 18:06.26 | dutchfish | !tell jmd about hosts |
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| 18:08.41 | jmd | dutchfish: I know what /etc/hosts is. |
| 18:09.11 | jmd | What I want to know is how to stop dist-upgrade messing with it. |
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| 18:10.08 | daemonkeeper | jmd: dist-upgrade *definitively* does not touch it. No package even ships it. |
| 18:10.39 | daemonkeeper | jmd: http://packages.debian.org/search?searchon=contents&keywords=%2Fetc%2Fhosts&mode=path&suite=stable&arch=any |
| 18:10.40 | jmd | daemonkeeper: No. But some packages refer to it in their postinst scripts. |
| 18:10.56 | daemonkeeper | Sure, but they must not modify it by Debian package policy. |
| 18:11.09 | dutchfish | jmd, 1. why use dist-upgrade instead of full-upgrade? 2. Explain messing, becaus ei never expirienced that myself. |
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| 18:11.24 | daemonkeeper | dutchfish: dist-upgrade is exactly the same as full-upgrade |
| 18:11.29 | jmd | I suppose then I must find out which package it was and file a bug against it. |
| 18:11.39 | Nik05 | yes |
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| 18:12.14 | jmd | dutchfish: messing: It decided to insert "127.0.0.1 host.fqdn" |
| 18:12.30 | unname_ | hello, someone can help me with X ? after i try to login in lightdm, my screen turns black and goes back to lightdm |
| 18:12.46 | daemonkeeper | unname_: read your x logs, scan for (EE) lines. |
| 18:12.56 | dutchfish | daemonkeeper, didnt know that. Thanks. That is if that counts for upgrading to wheezy as well. |
| 18:12.59 | awright | hey guys. I need some help. I have been using debian based distros for a while and just wanted a base debian system. so I installed the debian testing iso and my keyboard and mouse worked fine during installation but now that it is installed I have no input. how can i fix this. I wasn't able to chroot through gentoo as I figured this had to do with evdev or something |
| 18:13.52 | daemonkeeper | dutchfish: Yes. It's just that at some point aptitude maintainers decided to rename dist-upgrade to full-upgrade because it can be used for more tasks than only upgrading your distribution. In fact, it's the same as "upgrade" which includes to consider package removals. |
| 18:13.53 | LtL | Quick question, does a point release require a dist-upgrade? Somehow I don't recall needing to do anything but a simple update/upgrade for point releases |
| 18:14.09 | daemonkeeper | LtL: See the explanation I just gave :> |
| 18:14.22 | dutchfish | jmd, its format is: ip fqdn hostname |
| 18:14.30 | LtL | daemonkeeper: ok, i'll read the scroll, thanks |
| 18:14.38 | daemonkeeper | It's a line above your question ;) |
| 18:15.01 | dutchfish | daemonkeeper, thanks |
| 18:15.21 | unname_ | daemonkeeper, i don't have EE lines in Xorg.0.log |
| 18:15.45 | daemonkeeper | It's not a X problem then, but of your desktop environment/window manager |
| 18:15.52 | LtL | daemonkeeper: gotcha, thanks :) |
| 18:16.10 | zykotick9 | unname_: are you using ubuntu? |
| 18:16.13 | unname_ | no |
| 18:16.18 | unname_ | debian with gnome shell and XFCE |
| 18:16.24 | unname_ | they have the same problem |
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| 18:17.21 | awright | anybody have any ideas why after a fresh install, I can not use my keyboard or mouse? I'm guessing this has to do with udev or something |
| 18:17.25 | zykotick9 | unname_: you might want to check ~/.xsession-errors ? |
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| 18:19.51 | wsky | when will you repair broken pache2 packages in sid? |
| 18:20.07 | daemonkeeper | They aren't broken |
| 18:20.12 | wsky | yes they are |
| 18:20.17 | daemonkeeper | How? |
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| 18:20.44 | unname_ | zykotick9, it is too big to read :/ can i delete it and reboot? |
| 18:20.49 | unname_ | i will read only the latest error |
| 18:20.51 | Nik05 | awright which installer did you use? |
| 18:20.53 | daemonkeeper | You can |
| 18:21.22 | awright | the graphical installer |
| 18:21.45 | wsky | daemonkeeper: http://paste.debian.net/234496/ |
| 18:21.59 | awright | im running debian testing downloaded the iso this morning and installed allowed it to fetch all packages and then rebooted |
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| 18:22.10 | Nik05 | what iso did you download? |
| 18:22.17 | Nik05 | the latest installer? |
| 18:22.30 | awright | debian-testing-amd64-xfce-CD-1.iso |
| 18:22.44 | awright | yep |
| 18:22.47 | wsky | abigtail T_T |
| 18:23.07 | wsky | abigail T_T |
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| 18:23.30 | daemonkeeper | wsky: This is a problem on your side. You probably edited /etc/init.d/apache2 at some point in a way it does not contain LSB headers anymore, or so long ago that the package did not contain LSB headers yet. Now, dpkg refuses to overwrite your changes. |
| 18:23.56 | unname_ | daemonkeeper, i've rebooted but it hasent been re-created |
| 18:24.20 | wsky | daemonkeeper: no, it's a fresh sid inastall |
| 18:24.20 | Nik05 | awright can you maybe give some more information about the system and the architecture? |
| 18:24.34 | wsky | i didn't edit /etc/init.d/apache2 |
| 18:24.37 | Nik05 | (i have no idea what to do about this problem, but other people probably do :P) |
| 18:24.46 | wsky | so please don't throw bs at me |
| 18:25.02 | jhutchins_wk | !confmiss |
| 18:25.02 | dpkg | You have to especially tell the packaging system to reinstall config files because when they are gone, it is assumed that you want them to stay deleted. "aptitude -o DPkg::Options::='--force-confmiss' reinstall $packagename" will restore them (man dpkg for details). If the package uses <ucf> for config file management, ask me about <ucf confmiss>. |
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| 18:25.16 | Pricey | abrotman: Didn't have a crash today on 3.7-trunk-amd64... fingers crossed that's done it! Thanks for the advice and apologies for the snarkiness. |
| 18:25.39 | awright | its a toshiba satellite laptop, l855-s5220, with a quad core apu and radeon 760g graphics on the processor |
| 18:25.40 | daemonkeeper | wsky: Your log clearly says so. |
| 18:25.46 | observer__ | I'm getting the error: "fatal error: relink `daq_nfq.la' with the above command before installing it" when compiling daq 1.1.1 |
| 18:25.46 | observer__ | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:25.46 | observer__ | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:25.46 | observer__ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:26.03 | wsky | daemonkeeper: but i didn;t do so. what now? |
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| 18:26.15 | unname_ | zykotick9, :/? |
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| 18:26.39 | awright | Nik05 is there a way to stop debian from booting to X if so I could probably see if I'm missing the x input drivers which is the only thing that could cause this i think |
| 18:26.46 | daemonkeeper | wsky: What happens if you run insserv -vs |
| 18:27.10 | zykotick9 | unname_: sorry, i don't have anything further to suggest... good luck. |
| 18:27.16 | observer__ | I'm getting the error: "fatal error: relink `daq_nfq.la' with the above command before installing it" when compiling daq 1.1.1 |
| 18:27.25 | Nik05 | awright can you login as root when system is booting? |
| 18:27.44 | Nik05 | by pressing Alt + 2 i think, not sure |
| 18:27.47 | awright | yeah if I do the recovery option I can login there |
| 18:27.54 | wsky | it shows bunch of init scripts |
| 18:28.01 | unname_ | what is the name of the gnome dm ? |
| 18:28.08 | jhutchins_wk | awright: You can boot to "single" user mode, which shouldn't start X, or you can disable the DM before you reboot. |
| 18:28.12 | daemonkeeper | wsky: Which one is failing because it lacks LSB headers? |
| 18:28.16 | observer__ | following this guide: http://www.snort.org/assets/167/deb_snort_howto.pdf |
| 18:28.24 | zykotick9 | unname_: probably not going to help but gdm3 |
| 18:28.30 | observer__ | I read the daq readme and recompiled libdnet with -fPIC and did ./configure --with-pic for daq |
| 18:28.30 | observer__ | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:28.34 | awright | how would I do that as I don't have access to the command line currently |
| 18:28.38 | wsky | i do not see any of them failing |
| 18:28.53 | observer__ | please |
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| 18:29.03 | Nik05 | when you boot you can get into commandline |
| 18:29.05 | awright | I've never logged into the system at this point |
| 18:29.15 | daemonkeeper | wsky: "insserv: Service dnsmasq has to be enabled to start service apache2" Did you disable that one then? |
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| 18:29.23 | Nik05 | what happens if you press Ctrl+Alt+1 ? |
| 18:29.28 | jhutchins_wk | Nik05: You pretty much can't log in until the point where X starts to load anyway. Enabling login is the last step of the boot process. |
| 18:29.29 | Nik05 | F1 |
| 18:29.37 | Nik05 | oh ok |
| 18:29.40 | wsky | daemonkeeper: yes i've disabled dnsmasq |
| 18:29.44 | daemonkeeper | Well. |
| 18:29.45 | daemonkeeper | There. |
| 18:29.51 | daemonkeeper | Either purge it or enable it. |
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| 18:29.54 | Nik05 | jhutchins_wk cant you login as root when system is booting? |
| 18:29.57 | wsky | how come apache2 needs dnsmasq to start? |
| 18:30.00 | awright | Nik05 if i choose the recovery option from the bootloader how do I get to not load x that is the only way I can issue any input |
| 18:30.01 | jhutchins_wk | Nik05: Nope. |
| 18:30.09 | Nik05 | oh i thought so |
| 18:30.14 | Nik05 | awright jhutchins can help you :P |
| 18:30.15 | daemonkeeper | wsky: It doesn't. Apache needs DNS resolving, and dnsmasq provides that. |
| 18:30.29 | daemonkeeper | wsky: Hence insserv thinks, it's needed to run Apache |
| 18:30.42 | wsky | well that's kind bs to me |
| 18:30.49 | daemonkeeper | *shrug* |
| 18:30.56 | awright | jhutchins_wk is there a way to do that through the recovery option? |
| 18:30.57 | jhutchins_wk | daemonkeeper: You can resolve hostnames without dnsmasq. |
| 18:31.11 | daemonkeeper | jhutchins_wk: I didn't say something else. |
| 18:31.25 | jhutchins_wk | awright: Do what? Doesn't recovery mode boot to the console instead of X? |
| 18:31.43 | jhutchins_wk | daemonkeeper: apache doesn't need dnsmasq. |
| 18:31.50 | daemonkeeper | jhutchins_wk: I neither said that. |
| 18:32.11 | jhutchins_wk | daemonkeeper: Ok, I see what you actually said there. |
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| 18:32.36 | daemonkeeper | jhutchins_wk, wsky: Apache has "# Required-Start: ... $named" and dnsmasq provides $named. If you don't want to run named, don't install it. |
| 18:32.37 | unname_ | zykotick9, it works |
| 18:32.39 | unname_ | lol |
| 18:32.39 | awright | jhutchins_wk if I use the recovery option it asks me for the root password for mainainenance |
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| 18:32.53 | zykotick9 | unname_: nice, glad you got it working. |
| 18:32.53 | jhutchins_wk | daemonkeeper: That's ridiculous. |
| 18:33.01 | daemonkeeper | jhutchins_wk: It's not. |
| 18:33.05 | wsky | ye now it installed. however i'm disapinted and i wont pray for debian today :p |
| 18:33.21 | jhutchins_wk | Yeah, because I've had a webserver for about 20 years with no named on it. |
| 18:33.32 | Duker | Tried googling and couldn't find anything - is there a particular reason why I would be asked to insert a squeeze CD when installing module-assistant through aptitude? |
| 18:33.36 | observer__ | please someone help me... |
| 18:33.53 | zykotick9 | Duker: you have a cd in your sources |
| 18:34.09 | Duker | I do, top of my sources.list |
| 18:34.14 | observer__ | I'm getting the error: "fatal error: relink `daq_nfq.la' with the above command before installing it" when compiling daq 1.1.1 |
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| 18:34.19 | daemonkeeper | jhutchins_wk: I cannot see how this would contradict to what I say. You can use your system name resolver, but if you had installed a better[tm] resolver, you surely want to have it started before Apache needing name resolution. |
| 18:34.21 | zykotick9 | Duker: i'd comment it out myself. |
| 18:34.23 | observer__ | following this guide: http://www.snort.org/assets/167/deb_snort_howto.pdf |
| 18:34.30 | observer__ | I read the daq readme and recompiled libdnet with -fPIC and did ./configure --with-pic for daq |
| 18:34.37 | Duker | zykotick9: deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux 6.0.6 _Squeeze_ - Official amd64 CD Binary-1 20120929-16:46]/ squeeze main |
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| 18:34.53 | bazzo | ciao |
| 18:34.54 | jhutchins_wk | ,versions snort |
| 18:34.55 | judd | Package: snort on i386 -- lenny-security: 2.7.0-19+lenny1; lenny: 2.7.0-20.4; squeeze: 2.8.5.2-8; sid: 2.9.2.2-3; wheezy: 2.9.2.2-3; experimental: 2.9.3.1-1 |
| 18:35.05 | bazzo | !list |
| 18:35.05 | dpkg | bazzo: Ă possibile di scaricare un sacco di software libero puntando il tuo browser a http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/multi-arch/iso-cd/debian-6.0.6-amd64-i386-netinst.iso ! |
| 18:35.13 | jhutchins_wk | observer__: Use the debian package. |
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| 18:35.34 | observer__ | will it still allow inline? |
| 18:35.57 | daemonkeeper | wsky: Well, as said, I do not see how this would be disappointing. |
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| 18:36.03 | Nik05 | awright can you login with recovery? |
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| 18:36.27 | jhutchins_wk | observer__: No idea. If you need help compiling non-debian packages you should consult whatever resources are available from the provider. |
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| 18:36.34 | awright | im at the terminal i have no keyboard or mouse drivers for xorg as it tried to fetch them specifically |
| 18:36.50 | observer__ | they're not replying... :/ but I suppose then I'll keep trying them |
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| 18:37.26 | Duker | zykotick9: Thanks, that resolved it |
| 18:37.52 | _droid | hi people, it is my first time that I'm setting up my routing server and using the route command. I have 2 nics one is called inet0 and the other lan0. inet0 (192.168.1.2) goes to my dsl modem and lan0 (10.0.0.1)goes to my switch. And I have added a route and it is like this: route add -net 10.0.0.0 netmask 255.255.255.0 gw 10.0.0.1 dev lan0 and it is not working. IP fowarding is active. So my question what am I doing wrong?? |
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| 18:38.27 | kallisti | can a cabal file contain multiple build-depends directives in a single section? |
| 18:38.33 | kallisti | er, wrong paste |
| 18:38.35 | kallisti | so I switching from testing to unstable and now I have a whole host of problems. For starters I get this error when attempting to use apt-get: http://sprunge.us/RMGA |
| 18:38.40 | kallisti | there we go |
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| 18:39.09 | jhutchins_wk | observer__: Sorry. |
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| 18:39.21 | pawleeq | hello |
| 18:39.37 | observer__ | jhutchins_wk: thank so much for replying though |
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| 18:40.30 | confusid | somiaj: Got it working!!! Setting the virtual space in xorg.conf allowed me to change xrandr, also arandr now works also. Just limited to what I set for the virtual space. |
| 18:40.37 | pawleeq | On squeeze I am unable to play network streams. I have tried different players (vlc, smplayer, totem) and different streams (mp3, aac) and nothing works. What could be wrong? |
| 18:41.17 | jhutchins_wk | kallisti: So was there a part of "unstable" that you didn't understand? |
| 18:41.40 | jhutchins_wk | kallisti: Are you telling us it just hangs on "reading package lists" and doesn't install things? |
| 18:42.02 | daemonkeeper | The paste was probably cropped. |
| 18:43.03 | h7251 | hi, what's the easiest way to make debian always install and use debug packages? |
| 18:43.10 | confusid | only curious on this question. If you have 3 monitors are you stuck with a box to fill? if I have left and right monitors sitting normal and one in the middle turned side.. So it is taller then the others. Would that set the desktop so I would have unusable space top left and top right of the middle monitor or below since there would not be a physical screen to show what is there? |
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| 18:43.45 | jhutchins_wk | h7251: This has come up before, you have to target whatever it is you're debuging and install those specific packages. It doesn't make sense to install them all. |
| 18:44.36 | jhutchins_wk | confusid: Dunno, why not try it and see since YOU have the hardware. |
| 18:44.42 | h7251 | jhutchins_wk: well I'm aware of that but debian does not even allow me to install all dependencies with debug symbols... so I have to go through the dependencies and hope that there is debug packages for those after I identified them |
| 18:44.58 | abcdefg_ | I would like to see all upgrades to do for a remote system in a console |
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| 18:45.04 | abcdefg_ | is there already a debian program for this? |
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| 18:45.07 | abcdefg_ | apt remote? |
| 18:45.07 | apt | remote is, like, at http://foaf.editthispage.com/pictures/viewer$31 |
| 18:45.07 | _droid | i need a little help with routing |
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| 18:45.36 | confusid | jhutchins_wk: I don't have a 3rd monitor. Just got 2 working and wondering if it is restricted to straight lines. |
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| 18:46.27 | jhutchins_wk | confusid: Not sure. It may depend on the driver. I know this dell has a little trouble with the wallpaper in windows because the two monitors are different ratios. |
| 18:47.06 | confusid | jhutchins_wk: ty, I can test rotating one of these at a 90' so trying to see what happens now |
| 18:47.15 | abcdefg_ | astigmatic monitor |
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| 18:47.29 | confusid | ok.. got an error.. googling to see why. |
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| 18:48.20 | jhutchins_wk | pawleeq: Can you play local audio files? |
| 18:48.48 | pawleeq | jhutchins_wk, yes I acan |
| 18:49.01 | jhutchins_wk | abcdefg_: I don't know of anything that does that (other than ssh + apt). |
| 18:49.25 | jhutchins_wk | pawleeq: When you launch the stream from a console (with mplayer for instance) do you get meaningful errors? |
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| 18:50.42 | abcdefg_ | jhutchins_wk: something like spacewalk (for debian)? |
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| 18:51.21 | pawleeq | jhutchins_wk, here it is: http://pastebin.com/Dss1AFFB |
| 18:51.29 | _droid | hi |
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| 18:51.52 | sunbeam | hi, whats the best way to delete all files in a dir when i only have ftp access (one by one in ftp is too slow) ? |
| 18:52.01 | pawleeq | jhutchins_wk, vlc says it is unable to open MLR stream, I found windows solution, which was allowing vlcs connections through firewall |
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| 18:52.37 | neon__ | I got: terminate called after throwing an instance of 'std::bad_alloc' |
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| 18:52.52 | confusid | ok.. I'm really digging Wheezy! |
| 18:53.01 | confusid | need to reboot to test this config. |
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| 18:55.21 | neon__ | I need something better than ALSA |
| 18:55.25 | neon__ | any suggestion? |
| 18:55.36 | Nik05 | pulse? |
| 18:55.43 | neon__ | what's the popular thingy now? |
| 18:55.59 | neon__ | pulse? what package is it? |
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| 18:56.12 | Nik05 | pulseaudio |
| 18:56.14 | redsoup | pulseaudio |
| 18:56.19 | vt0r | Yeah most distros have moved to Pulse Audio as of a few years ago.. |
| 18:56.31 | confusid | jhutchins_wk: it creates dead space that's not viewable. |
| 18:56.37 | redsoup | I use pavucontrol with it as well. |
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| 18:56.43 | neon__ | package pulseaudio is already installed |
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| 18:57.55 | redsoup | I really like pavucontrol tbh, if you haven't tried it I think you should :) |
| 18:58.07 | dennisvb | redsoup: what is pavucontrol |
| 18:58.09 | dennisvb | ? |
| 18:58.22 | jhutchins_wk | dennisvb: pulse audio controll. |
| 18:58.42 | dennisvb | jhutchins_wk: Like volume and stuff? |
| 18:58.46 | redsoup | dennisvb: yeah, I use it to control separate applications volumes. |
| 18:58.48 | neon__ | but I don't think it works |
| 18:58.52 | jhutchins_wk | pawleeq: What about the rest of your networking, does that seem ok? |
| 18:59.01 | neon__ | because sometimes wine sound is lost |
| 18:59.23 | jhutchins_wk | dennisvb: Yeah. |
| 18:59.28 | pawleeq | jhutchins_wk, mail, ftp transfers, web browsing, everything is ok |
| 18:59.44 | jhutchins_wk | dennisvb: Best thing I know to do with pulseaudio is get rid of it. Solves 90% of the problems. |
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| 19:00.07 | Interruptus | jack is also a big pain in the ass |
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| 19:00.20 | dennisvb | jhutchins_wk: I don't know if I have pulseaudio |
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| 19:06.18 | neon__ | Why do I get: terminate called after throwing an instance of 'std::bad_alloc' |
| 19:06.18 | jhutchins_wk | pawleeq: Is the host yours? |
| 19:06.53 | pawleeq | jhutchins_wk, Yes |
| 19:06.56 | jhutchins_wk | neon__: Your hard drive is dying? |
| 19:06.57 | miniCruzer | http://pastebin.com/mxKyAbXF <- getting this message hundreds of times in /var/log/messages (kernel: mdadm: sending ioctl 1261 to a partition!) |
| 19:07.00 | miniCruzer | concern |
| 19:07.04 | miniCruzer | concern?* |
| 19:07.24 | neon__ | I have a 64gb swap, and in ulimit -a I have unlimited on everything except stack size |
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| 19:07.34 | neon__ | jhutchins_wk, I don't think so |
| 19:08.09 | neon__ | jhutchins_wk, I think the HD think it is healthy |
| 19:08.09 | jhutchins_wk | 64g of swap is pretty ridiculous. If you need that much something else is very wrong. |
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| 19:08.14 | miniCruzer | Joah: :3 |
| 19:08.22 | jhutchins_wk | neon__: Do you have smartmontools? |
| 19:08.38 | jhutchins_wk | neon__: You didn't say what was giving you that error. |
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| 19:08.47 | invariant | What is the meaning of defaults here exactly? In particular is it service dependent? update-rc.d apache defaults |
| 19:09.09 | neon__ | jhutchins_wk, I had no swap, and long IOWaits, so I tried to add as much as I can, thinking the programming of the software isn't good, and rely to heavily on virtual memeory |
| 19:09.35 | neon__ | jhutchins_wk, aegisub-2.1 gave me the error |
| 19:09.57 | jhutchins_wk | pawleeq: Trying to think how to diagnose the streams.... Try this one, I know it's good: mms://129.237.213.240/wmtencoder/kpr.wma |
| 19:10.25 | neon__ | jhutchins_wk, smartmontools are installed, yes. |
| 19:11.19 | jhutchins_wk | ,versions aegisub |
| 19:11.21 | judd | Package: aegisub on i386 -- squeeze-multimedia: 2.1.8-0.2; sid: 2.1.9-1; wheezy: 2.1.9-1 |
| 19:11.23 | invariant | The man page already told me. |
| 19:11.59 | invariant | Is there any way to just disable a service and enable it again without losing information? |
| 19:12.02 | marc_smith | anyone knows a way to maximize all apps that start in maximize mode [Firefox, Thunderbird] under Openbox? these apps don't extend to the whole screen under LXDE/Openbox. I know abou "<applications>" tag in rc.xml, but it doesn't work for me |
| 19:12.11 | pawleeq | jhutchins_wk, here is what vlc says: http://pastebin.com/X6M81UAA |
| 19:12.17 | jhutchins_wk | neon__: There are a lot of possible factors, including bad input video. |
| 19:12.32 | Joah | miniCruzer: :3 |
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| 19:12.49 | neon__ | jhutchins_wk, the crash happens during subtitling work |
| 19:13.01 | jhutchins_wk | pawleeq: ... and the log says? |
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| 19:13.18 | neon__ | jhutchins_wk, the video can play. It was created with kdenlive |
| 19:13.31 | jhutchins_wk | neon__: I really wouldn't go with more than 2x RAM for swap. How much RAM do you have? How big is the video file? |
| 19:13.54 | neon__ | I have 4GB ram, the video is about 140MB |
| 19:14.29 | jhutchins_wk | neon__: I would recommend 4G of swap then. You should have adequate ram. i686 or x86_64? |
| 19:14.49 | neon__ | amd64 |
| 19:15.14 | neon__ | you think having too big a swap file cause it? |
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| 19:16.10 | jhutchins_wk | neon__: I don't know, but it's possible it's trying to address too large a scope of memory for the program. |
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| 19:16.32 | jhutchins_wk | pawleeq: What does the vlc log say? |
| 19:16.33 | neon__ | can I see that if I run it? |
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| 19:17.04 | neon__ | maybe I should increase stack size? |
| 19:17.07 | pawleeq | jhutchins_wk, mmt please, vlc does not log by default |
| 19:17.21 | neon__ | core file size (blocks, -c) 0 |
| 19:17.24 | Trewas | neon__: too much swap cannot be a problem, too little might be |
| 19:17.43 | neon__ | pipe size (512 bytes, -p) 8 |
| 19:17.54 | neon__ | POSIX message queues (bytes, -q) 819200 |
| 19:17.57 | jhutchins_wk | Trewas: Yes, too much swap can definitely be a problem. |
| 19:18.06 | Trewas | jhutchins_wk: how? |
| 19:18.13 | neon__ | stack size (kbytes, -s) 8192 |
| 19:18.34 | jhutchins_wk | Trewas: timing, addressing. Trying to manage 64G of swap is a big job, and would be way too slow to be useful. |
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| 19:19.01 | jhutchins_wk | Trewas: He has 4G of ram, 64G of swap, and he's working with a 140M video file. |
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| 19:20.15 | neon__ | jhutchins_wk, with overcommit all my ram is taken by iceweasel/opera |
| 19:20.19 | Trewas | jhutchins_wk: too slow to be usable can happen, but other than that no... with 64GB swap too slow is quite likely though |
| 19:20.41 | pawleeq | jhutchins_wk, simply said, it says vlc can not connect to the stream. here si the full log http://pastebin.com/3uhw3C2y |
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| 19:21.20 | neon__ | why would it be too slow? swap is managed in hardware |
| 19:21.44 | jhutchins_wk | Trewas: Individual programs can have trouble addressing that large a block too. |
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| 19:22.00 | jhutchins_wk | !paste |
| 19:22.00 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>. |
| 19:22.05 | Trewas | jhutchins_wk: no, kernel takes care of that no matter the size of swap |
| 19:22.09 | abcdefg_ | So the debian installer supports kickstart? |
| 19:22.19 | jhutchins_wk | pawleeq: If you wouldn't mind using the debian pastebin, I can get fewer firewall hits. |
| 19:22.49 | Trewas | neon__: harddrives are very slow compared to RAM |
| 19:23.08 | neon__ | Trewas, i know |
| 19:23.31 | pawleeq | jhutchins_wk, ok, I am sorry, I am new to debian and I did not know about this pastebin |
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| 19:24.28 | jhutchins_wk | pawleeq: No prob, it's just that oour firewall warns on it. |
| 19:25.02 | jhutchins_wk | pawleeq: I seem to be having trouble connecting to that host as well, it may be down today. Let me see if I can hack something... |
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| 19:27.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, mainly says: failed to open connection (tcp), connection timed out and: access_mms error: "cannot connect to 129.237.213.240:80" |
| 19:28.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | hmm, also gives the url, which is just mms://ip/path without a port |
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| 19:28.56 | pawleeq | jhutchins_wk, if yout just need up and running stream, here si one: http://somafm.com/groovesalad/ |
| 19:29.27 | jhutchins_wk | pawleeq: One of my favorites. Ok, so it's a valid stream. No idea why you can't connect to it. |
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| 19:30.16 | pawleeq | jhutchins_wk, pop up player in browser works just fine... |
| 19:30.26 | jhutchins_wk | I find it odd that I'm not able to connect to the streams in one of my old playlists though, I use it pretty regularly. When I open it on my PC here I get nothing. |
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| 19:31.47 | pawleeq | jhutchins_wk, i googled about this issue whole afternoon, somebody fixed it in vlc by changing the output to pulseaudio, but that solution A) does not work for me B) seems a bit strange |
| 19:32.17 | invariant | Why do I get this? insserv: warning: current start runlevel(s) (empty) of script `bluetooth' overwrites defaults (2 3 4 5). in response to update-rc.d bluetooth disable? |
| 19:32.37 | jhutchins_wk | pawleeq: Also doesn't address why you can play locally but not remote. |
| 19:32.47 | invariant | I just want to hit the on/off button of a service basically for its current configuration and its bootconfiguration. |
| 19:32.48 | jhutchins_wk | pawleeq: What happens when you just use your browser to go to soma? |
| 19:33.09 | pawleeq | jhutchins_wk, yes and another thing: I tried dowloading Firewall proxy pls from soma fm and it works |
| 19:33.19 | invariant | I am not asking for anything which is supposed to be complicated. |
| 19:33.23 | jhutchins_wk | invariant: Because it runs by default, and you are turning it off. |
| 19:33.36 | jhutchins_wk | invariant: It's just a warning notice. |
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| 19:33.39 | pawleeq | jhutchins_wk, I mean it works when it is opened in vlc |
| 19:33.48 | invariant | jhutchins_wk, such warnings are not within the UNIX spirit. |
| 19:34.03 | invariant | jhutchins_wk, thanks for the answer |
| 19:34.17 | jhutchins_wk | invariant: Aparantly someone with enough knowledge of unix to be writing system software disagrees with you. |
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| 19:34.47 | invariant | jhutchins_wk, I also write system software, so that's hardly an argument. |
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| 19:34.55 | jhutchins_wk | pawleeq: That suggests that something's firewalling it. |
| 19:35.24 | pawleeq | jhutchins_wk, Yep, but find out what and how to fix it is beyond my abilities |
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| 19:36.55 | kallisti | jhutchins_wk: correct |
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| 19:37.33 | kallisti | jhutchins_wk: I understood exactly what unstable meant. My understanding of what unstable means has nothing to do with this problem. |
| 19:37.46 | sacredchao | I want to make the input of an external microphone come out of the speakers. Normal audio output works fine, but I cannot find where I can adjust the line in volume so I can hear the input from my speakers. |
| 19:37.56 | sacredchao | I have checked in alsamixer, and tried raising/unmuting ALL levels |
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| 19:39.33 | jhutchins_wk | kallisti: Then you don't entirely understand it. |
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| 19:40.14 | jhutchins_wk | kallisti: got disk space? |
| 19:40.17 | kallisti | jhutchins_wk: yes |
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| 19:41.16 | kallisti | jhutchins_wk: could this be related to an issue in my sources.list? |
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| 19:41.35 | jhutchins_wk | kallisti: Possibly. Pastebin it? |
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| 19:42.17 | kallisti | oh also |
| 19:42.19 | kallisti | W: Failed to fetch file:/var/cache/apt-build/repository/dists/apt-build/main/binary-i386/Packages File not found |
| 19:42.25 | kallisti | I get this at the end of an apt-get update |
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| 19:42.55 | kallisti | sources.list: http://sprunge.us/JPaQ |
| 19:43.02 | jhutchins_wk | kallisti: aptitude clean? |
| 19:43.44 | kallisti | oh. fixed. :P |
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| 19:45.00 | jhutchins_wk | xlnt. |
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| 19:46.27 | kallisti | so another problem I'm having is that my broadcom 802.11 wireless adapter suddenly decided to stop working upon upgrade. But maybe now that I have apt working I can fix it. I believe I was justing broadcom-sta (aka wl or whatever) before. |
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| 19:47.01 | jhutchins_wk | !broadcom |
| 19:47.01 | dpkg | Broadcom Corporation is an integrated circuits supplier. For wireless LAN chipset drivers, ask me about <b43>, <brcmsmac>, <rndis_wlan>, <wl>. For Ethernet controller support, ask me about <bnx2>, <bnx2x>, <tg3>. |
| 19:47.18 | kallisti | jhutchins_wk: yeah I've gone through that whole mess before. |
| 19:47.33 | jhutchins_wk | kallisti: You might want to do an aptitude -f install to catch anything that didn't get completely installed. |
| 19:47.53 | jhutchins_wk | A working package manager is a very useful tool. |
| 19:48.36 | eyedea | how do I found out my pciid? It was something with lspci? |
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| 19:48.54 | zykotick9 | eyedea: try "lscpi -nn" |
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| 19:49.09 | eyedea | yeah that's it |
| 19:49.39 | eyedea | dpkg: tell me about pciid 10ec:8176 |
| 19:50.21 | eyedea | ,nic ec10:38176 |
| 19:50.26 | eyedea | ,nic ec10:8176 |
| 19:50.51 | eyedea | uhh |
| 19:50.56 | eyedea | any help? not sure why it's not telling me |
| 19:51.00 | kallisti | jhutchins_wk: it would appear that the upgrae was not fully completed. |
| 19:51.10 | kallisti | or, at least, aptitude is wanting to install things when I use -f |
| 19:52.04 | eyedea | Okay so somehow I managed to delete a bunch of essential stuff from my Debian wheezy (testing), after restarting my computer I ahd no internet, so I installed network-manager again, I now have ethernet, when I do iwconfig I get a wlan0 result, but there is NOWHERE to choose the wi-fi? Before this happened I could pick from the network manager next to the clock up in teh tray? |
| 19:52.05 | kallisti | aha, wicd is in the list. |
| 19:52.16 | kallisti | so this should probably fix wireless issues. I hope. |
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| 19:54.50 | jhutchins_wk | kali_: I'd recommend at least trying network-manager. |
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| 19:55.21 | jhutchins_wk | eyedea: Is network-manager running? |
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| 19:58.32 | Lars_G | Is there a "good" or useable build or preferably, .dsc of thunderbird 17 or closer for squeeze out there? |
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| 20:01.01 | Nik05 | Lars_G experimental has icedove 17.0.2 |
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| 20:04.23 | invariant | Nik05, except mixing is not recommended. |
| 20:04.41 | invariant | Lars_G, you want to get it from upstream. You can install it into one directory self-contained. |
| 20:05.00 | invariant | Lars_G, their binary releases work on squeeze/ |
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| 20:07.19 | Lars_G | Nik05: Yeah but to shove that into squeeze, well :) |
| 20:07.26 | Lars_G | Nik05: I might get the dsc and start pushing |
| 20:07.50 | jhutchins_wk | ,versions iceweasel |
| 20:07.52 | judd | Package: iceweasel on i386 -- lenny: 3.0.6-3; lenny-security: 3.0.6-3; lenny-backports: 3.5.16-11~bpo50+1; squeeze-proposed-updates: 3.5.16-16; squeeze: 3.5.16-17; squeeze-security: 3.5.16-17; squeeze-proposed-updates: 3.5.16-20; squeeze-security: 3.5.16-20; squeeze-backports: 10.0.6esr-1~bpo60+1; squeeze-backports: 10.0.12esr-1~bpo60+1; sid: 10.0.12esr-1; wheezy: 10.0.12esr-1; |
| 20:07.53 | judd | experimental: 18.0.2-1 |
| 20:08.02 | Lars_G | invariant: Yeah, trouble is, I need to do a little change to icedove before compiling.... but yours might be a good idea actually. |
| 20:08.10 | jhutchins_wk | There is a reason Firefox updates don't go directly to Debian Stable. |
| 20:08.21 | invariant | Lars_G, what do you want to change? |
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| 20:08.37 | Lars_G | invariant: Branding :) |
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| 20:09.23 | invariant | jhutchins_wk, being? |
| 20:09.33 | invariant | jhutchins_wk, also, can you stop talking in riddles? |
| 20:09.39 | Lars_G | invariant: There's a local distro to my country, that takes icedove and change the name (So it's easier for users to use...) I would install the newer on only a few machines and I'd like to reduce namign "discrepancies" |
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| 20:10.20 | invariant | Lars_G, so, add one extra mv command to the installation procedure? |
| 20:10.41 | Lars_G | invariant: I guess he means that it would involve backporting many libraries that newer versions of firefox need to work, and that might cause troubles with older packages in stable unless you recompile everything. Which would be just easier to update to testing or unstable, etc |
| 20:10.42 | invariant | Lars_G, never mind. |
| 20:10.58 | invariant | Lars_G, or install Nix. |
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| 20:11.29 | Lars_G | invariant: Yeah it geos deeper than that, but I can even grab a binary build off mozilla and change the icon and shortcut. I can barely get people to distinguish between icons, I doubt they'll ever notice the window's title or open help->about |
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| 20:11.48 | invariant | Lars_G, nix-env -i thunderbird would also work |
| 20:12.04 | Lars_G | Hmmm nix is new to me |
| 20:12.11 | invariant | Lars_G, then you also don't have those pesky "only works on experimental" problems. |
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| 20:12.35 | Lars_G | Let me check, if it is what I think it is, it could also help me run the ubuntu-centric steam client on wheezy at home |
| 20:12.40 | invariant | Lars_G, it needs a few hours to setup perfectly, but a quick install is 10 minutes away. |
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| 20:14.09 | Lars_G | Oh well, I used to have gentoo on a desktop and forgot to update for weeks at a time... I'm used to long installs. |
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| 20:14.20 | invariant | Lars_G, I was referring to human time. |
| 20:14.25 | Lars_G | invariant: I'm affraid of searching for nix in the packages list, could you point me in the right direction please? |
| 20:14.31 | invariant | Lars_G, computer time is a lot less. |
| 20:14.45 | invariant | Lars_G, nix-env -qa '*' | grep thunder has version 17.0 |
| 20:15.20 | Lars_G | Is this inside a package installed by default? |
| 20:15.31 | invariant | Lars_G, this is off-topic here, however. Go ask in #nixos and ask them whether they unban me. :) |
| 20:15.44 | Lars_G | Ha.. eh. |
| 20:15.47 | invariant | Lars_G, they banned me because they don't like a smartass. |
| 20:15.52 | Lars_G | Ah, it's not a package. ok. |
| 20:16.00 | invariant | Lars_G, it is a package. |
| 20:16.24 | invariant | Lars_G, http://hydra.nixos.org/release/nix/nix-1.3 |
| 20:16.27 | Lars_G | What's the package name please? apt-cache search nix|wc -l = 818 packages |
| 20:16.30 | Lars_G | thanks |
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| 20:17.11 | invariant | I don't get why Debian doesn't switch to nix packages, though. |
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| 20:17.20 | invariant | It has once come up on the mailinglists. |
| 20:17.47 | invariant | Basically the people who responded seemed to be either ignorant or protecting their knowledge investment. |
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| 20:18.02 | invariant | A rather weak display of leadership, if you ask me. |
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| 20:18.20 | bai | well it sure would suck to have to retool all the existing installation environments people have in colos, etc |
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| 20:18.32 | bai | what problem does it solve that dpkg doesn't? |
| 20:18.46 | invariant | bai, all that needs to happen is provide the same interfaces. |
| 20:18.51 | Lars_G | invariant: I guess for the same reason it doesnt change to rpm, and centos to .deb and fedora to .tar.gz :P distros chose and build on their packages for a reason, and beyound just repackaging the whole of debian even if a little at a time, there's the whole build infrastructure of tools you have around it to change. |
| 20:19.32 | Lars_G | And knowledge investment is a big thing to lose in such a large magnitude |
| 20:19.37 | invariant | bai, or they could gradually do it in upgrade scripts. |
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| 20:20.02 | invariant | Lars_G, I have used pretty much every package manager. |
| 20:20.14 | invariant | Lars_G, it doesn't make you stupid to know one extra. |
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| 20:20.17 | bai | well what I mean is, once you grow beyond a couple servers most companies end up setting up a PXE-booting fully-automated installer setup |
| 20:20.33 | bai | and that's normally a pretty big investment of effort to get it working right |
| 20:20.35 | invariant | Lars_G, it just teaches you how things might be better done in different systems. |
| 20:20.55 | bai | if there's a disruptive change someone should be able to say why it's needed, heh |
| 20:21.15 | invariant | bai, there are plenty of ways to setup such things in a package management independent interface. |
| 20:21.22 | jhutchins_wk | Could we please return to Debian support? |
| 20:21.26 | invariant | bai, it's just bad software design. |
| 20:21.34 | bai | ...k |
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| 20:21.39 | invariant | bai, or premature optimization to be more exact. |
| 20:21.41 | invariant | jhutchins_wk, yes |
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| 20:35.56 | confusid | Where might the best place to have xrandr placed so after a reboot the settings stay? |
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| 20:37.59 | nkuttler | confusid: what kind of settings? |
| 20:38.34 | nkuttler | confusid: maybe an xorg.conf |
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| 20:42.09 | jhutchins_wk | I know krandrtray will offer to apply the settings on restart. |
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| 20:43.56 | nkuttler | looks a little bewildered at his own xorg.conf |
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| 20:44.34 | gnarface | having trouble with opennebula vms on debian wheezy. anyone know what "An error occurred, but the cause is unknown" means? |
| 20:47.41 | Lars_G | nkuttler: Most stuff is magicguessed nowadays. |
| 20:48.06 | nkuttler | Lars_G: right, most |
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| 20:53.32 | jhutchins_wk | gnarface: Not even the person who wrote the code that displays that error knows. |
| 20:54.06 | NiLon | bad error then |
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| 20:55.13 | gnarface | certainly someone knows |
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| 21:06.45 | zerick | hi guys, I got hacked a Debian webserver :/ Does anybody have some links or tips about how trace what happened ? Actually somebody uploaded (?) or something to my server, my only proof is a file |
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| 21:07.28 | Nik05 | what file? |
| 21:07.41 | Nik05 | How do you know you got hacked? |
| 21:07.56 | Nik05 | and what got hacked? |
| 21:08.02 | zerick | because it says that |
| 21:08.04 | zerick | lol |
| 21:08.24 | zerick | well, I just was browsing between web folders and see it |
| 21:08.24 | Nik05 | what is "it"? |
| 21:08.44 | zerick | its an index.html |
| 21:08.51 | Nik05 | check your apache logs |
| 21:09.12 | zerick | just saying some.. Ali whatever hacked the server |
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| 21:09.43 | zerick | in the logs are going to reflect if they were uploaded? |
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| 21:10.45 | Towzzer | when I get hacked I normally find a file called "hacked" in my root directory |
| 21:10.58 | wsky | :-DD |
| 21:11.19 | Nik05 | maybe zerick |
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| 21:12.07 | zerick | Towzzer: I have found several files, similar ones per each vhost :/ |
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| 21:12.40 | Nik05 | check your apache logs |
| 21:12.43 | zerick | In deed just want to know how the ... hell this happened :) |
| 21:12.54 | zerick | Nik05: ok, i'll do :) |
| 21:13.09 | gnarface | usually it involves some combination of shitty 3rd party php and chmod 777 |
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| 21:13.38 | Nik05 | haha yes, zerick do you use chmod 777? :P |
| 21:14.10 | gnarface | wordpress is implicated in a staggering amount of drive-by webserver hackings these days |
| 21:14.23 | confusid | HAHAHA |
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| 21:15.15 | gnarface | mostly unpatched installs |
| 21:15.25 | zerick | Nik05: sometimes, but I can't affirm whether it was me or anybody else, cause it's a big Debian box :/ |
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| 21:18.14 | envirocbr | Anyone here use ClusterSSH? |
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| 21:19.40 | Nik05 | no, and probably a good reason :P |
| 21:20.48 | envirocbr | Nik05: To manage a lot of switches it is helpful, I am just running into a problem with ctel, it is supposed to call telnet but launces ssh sessions even with properly configured conf files |
| 21:20.52 | envirocbr | :/ |
| 21:21.10 | envirocbr | If you have a better option I am welcome to hearing it |
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| 21:24.43 | zerick | envirocbr: depends what you are managing |
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| 21:25.23 | zerick | envirocbr: I mean, depends what you are going to do with the switches |
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| 21:26.19 | envirocbr | zerick: I use it to apply the same lines of config to switches for various reasons |
| 21:26.37 | envirocbr | I also use it for troubleshooting |
| 21:26.50 | zerick | envircbr: well.. if they support SSH, you could try capistrano |
| 21:26.56 | envirocbr | BUt current policy where I work (derived from opinion and politics) doesn't allow ssh into the devices |
| 21:27.29 | zerick | or puppet, depends if it is supported, till I know it only support Cisco devices |
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| 21:27.50 | envirocbr | zerick: will it open multiple ssh sessions so I can view them? |
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| 21:27.57 | envirocbr | or just execute commands |
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| 21:29.36 | zerick | it sends mostly whatever you want through SSH, basically its designed to build configurations but you can execute commands too |
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| 21:44.46 | veelium | hello |
| 21:45.24 | veelium | can anyone tell me why okular depends on vlc? |
| 21:45.26 | Nik05 | HellĂ |
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| 21:45.53 | Nik05 | it doesnt? |
| 21:47.20 | Nik05 | oh it depends on phonon |
| 21:49.06 | veelium | for me it pulls in vlc |
| 21:49.12 | veelium | not that terrible |
| 21:49.19 | veelium | I was just wondering |
| 21:49.31 | Nik05 | veelium okular supports embedded files |
| 21:49.41 | Nik05 | and it probably uses phonon for that |
| 21:49.59 | veelium | that makes some sense |
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| 21:50.16 | Nik05 | but you can also use gstreamer |
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| 21:50.48 | veelium | can I choose that before installation? |
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| 21:50.58 | Nik05 | veelium then you need to install phonon-backend-gstreamer |
| 21:51.54 | Nik05 | or if you dont want to use audio/video you can install phonon-backend-null |
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| 21:52.49 | Nik05 | veelium check phonon-backend ;) |
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| 21:52.59 | veelium | ok thanks |
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| 21:56.16 | Eediot | How should I tell the Connection Established messages to go away in a reasonable time? |
| 21:56.21 | Eediot | It's just hanging there. |
| 21:56.26 | veelium | not important but apt lists phonon-backend-mplayer as a suggestion but that package doesn't seem to exist (don't need it, just checking) |
| 21:56.54 | Nik05 | veelium that one is probably in deb-multimedia |
| 21:57.11 | veelium | ah ok |
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| 21:57.16 | veelium | thanks again |
| 21:57.30 | Nik05 | but it is also possible it doesnt exist at all |
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| 22:29.25 | DuxB | I'm copying an entire hard drive to an image using dd, and need to later shrink one of the partitions in the image before I can write it back to disk. Is this possible? |
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| 22:31.32 | petemc | DuxB: would be a whole lot easier if you had an intermediary disk you could copy the data to |
| 22:31.41 | petemc | if you didnt know that already.. |
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| 22:33.24 | DuxB | petemc: Right, I just don't have one big enough sitting around. If that's the ONLY way, I can do that, but I'd rather not have to wipe one of my externals in order to do it. |
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| 22:35.12 | DuxB | One can theoretically do anything with an image that one can do with a physical disk, right? |
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| 22:36.08 | petemc | in theory, theory and practise are the same thing. in practice, they're not |
| 22:36.36 | jpun | let's say I accidentally interrupted a resize2fs process and then started it again with the -f flag. Will this cause damage? |
| 22:37.21 | jpun | the fs is unmounted and I'm resizing to the exact same size |
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| 22:41.30 | alexwaters1 | http://serverfault.com/questions/479353/why-cant-i-stop-supervisor-with-init-d |
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| 22:43.49 | ompaul | alexwaters1: why sudo |
| 22:44.15 | ompaul | alexwaters1: start off with sudo -i and then try |
| 22:44.42 | ompaul | service supervisord stop |
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| 22:46.25 | alexwaters1 | nope same issue |
| 22:46.35 | alexwaters1 | s root |
| 22:46.39 | alexwaters1 | as root* |
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| 22:47.22 | ompaul | alexwaters1: and does restart say it is restarting? |
| 22:47.33 | ompaul | suspects not |
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| 22:47.59 | alexwaters1 | no it doesn't it complains that a something is already using that port |
| 22:48.29 | ompaul | so it's superglued - I have no idea what this supervisor is |
| 22:48.43 | alexwaters1 | supervisor is a daemon manager |
| 22:49.00 | ompaul | hang on |
| 22:49.20 | ompaul | you want to manage daemons with something you can turn off but it's supposed to run as a daemon |
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| 22:49.28 | alexwaters1 | it was the only way I could daemonize my python application. it does 'python app.py' |
| 22:50.13 | alexwaters1 | i need to start / stop the application via a jenkins job, it would be fine if I could do sudo service application start / stop |
| 22:50.24 | alexwaters1 | but the only way i've found I can do that is with supervisor |
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| 22:50.55 | ompaul | no supervisor isn't - now I have no idea what;s inside supervisor but suspect that may be the issue it won't let go http://stackoverflow.com/questions/1603109/how-to-make-a-python-script-run-like-a-service-or-daemon-in-linux/1603146#1603146 |
| 22:51.01 | ompaul | have a look at that second link |
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| 22:51.10 | ompaul | where your link is the first one |
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| 22:54.12 | alexwaters1 | i have run my application in nohup before. but I don't know how to have jenkins kill it off ater it's running in nohup |
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| 22:54.39 | alexwaters1 | like when jenkins goes to do a new build, i need it to stop - svn update - start |
| 22:55.32 | ompaul | so really you want to run a keepalive which you can kill not run a daemon |
| 22:55.35 | alexwaters1 | my friend told me to do something like kill -9 `cat app.py` but that feels dirty to me |
| 22:55.52 | alexwaters1 | ompaul: i thought that was a daemon |
| 22:55.58 | ompaul | na |
| 22:56.08 | alexwaters1 | i'm a total unix/linux/gnu noob - sorry |
| 22:56.08 | ompaul | keepalive is something you choose to run |
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| 22:56.25 | ompaul | and if X falls over it will restart - you can use cron to kick it off |
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| 22:56.41 | ompaul | obviously X does not represent kde or gnome |
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| 22:56.51 | ompaul | has no idea how I can type - I'm going to bed |
| 22:57.13 | alexwaters1 | ompaul: ok cool i'll check out that thread. thank you |
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| 23:07.54 | jacksmithz | what is the difference between the "~/.themes" directory and the "~/.local/share/themes" directory? |
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| 23:23.05 | kristijonas | Hello, problems with nv18. I'm following http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers thought it's not helpful |
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| 23:23.48 | rexwin_ | hi all |
| 23:24.03 | kristijonas | hi |
| 23:24.51 | debian_user | hi when i run cat /etc/issue i get Debian Unstable how do i change it a stable version without reinstalling with a new CD |
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| 23:30.20 | n-iCe | I have a problem, I downloaded .mp3 files, and I'm trying to create a disc with brasero, but after burn it I can't play it on home players, like dvd, car stereo, etc |
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| 23:30.40 | n-iCe | After I insert the burned disc to the laptop it does not recognize it anymore |
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| 23:33.20 | naquad | hi |
| 23:33.28 | naquad | how do i get list of packages installed manually? |
| 23:33.31 | debian_user | hi when i run cat /etc/issue i get Debian Unstable how do i change it a stable version without reinstalling with a new CD |
| 23:33.37 | naquad | i mean those that were explicitly apt-get install'ed |
| 23:33.44 | debian_user | dpkg --list |
| 23:33.44 | dpkg | i don't know, debian_user |
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| 23:34.11 | naquad | debian_user, nope, that will show me all pakcages |
| 23:34.13 | naquad | *packages |
| 23:35.03 | debian_user | let me check |
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| 23:36.56 | veelium | debian-user change the /etc/apt/sources.list and do a dist-upgrade |
| 23:37.25 | pfred1 | if you dist-upgrade do you need to update first or does it do it automatically? |
| 23:37.26 | debian_user | ok |
| 23:37.44 | veelium | not sure update first can't hurt |
| 23:37.50 | pfred1 | true |
| 23:38.12 | Nik05 | update first |
| 23:38.12 | debian_user | veelium, are you sure nothing will happen to my data |
| 23:38.14 | kristijonas | hello |
| 23:38.31 | veelium | I can't be sure, but what data? |
| 23:38.47 | veelium | normal stuff in home? |
| 23:38.47 | debian_user | just contents in /home and /var |
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| 23:39.30 | pfred1 | you may have to start a new account if some of the dotfiles in your homedir don't work with older versions of software |
| 23:39.37 | Nik05 | pfred1 if you dont do an update, apt doesnt know about the new packages |
| 23:39.56 | kristijonas | http://paste.debian.net/234554/ |
| 23:40.07 | veelium | normally there shouldn't be a problem, besides the dotfiles/config files |
| 23:40.23 | pfred1 | Nik05 yeah but I thought maybe dist-upgrade automatically assumed it had to update |
| 23:40.38 | veelium | I'd recommend testing over stable, probably less breakage in the config files |
| 23:40.39 | Nik05 | no it doesnt |
| 23:40.45 | veelium | if you change from sid |
| 23:40.51 | pfred1 | Nik05 it probably should it is a safe assumption |
| 23:41.13 | kristijonas | How to fix it? |
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| 23:41.25 | Nik05 | pfred1 but i think it doesnt |
| 23:41.35 | Nik05 | you really need to update |
| 23:41.40 | pfred1 | Nik05 I always update before i use a repo |
| 23:41.53 | pfred1 | I assume something might have changed |
| 23:42.54 | Nik05 | what do you assume? apt-get/aptitude dist-upgrade doesnt do update, so you need to do that first |
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| 23:43.12 | kristijonas | Hello. |
| 23:43.19 | Nik05 | morning |
| 23:43.36 | veelium | kristijonas: more info about drivers etc might be useful |
| 23:45.32 | kristijonas | veelium, "m-a auto-install nvidia-kernel-legacy-96xx-source", and "apt-get install nvidia-glx-legacy-96xx" has been installed after fresh install. |
| 23:46.22 | Nik05 | m-a auto-install? |
| 23:47.07 | kristijonas | Nik05, http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers#Methods |
| 23:47.58 | veelium | X is working properly? |
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| 23:48.26 | kristijonas | veelium, it runs, the display is blurred though. |
| 23:48.51 | veelium | what card? |
| 23:49.01 | kristijonas | velium, nv18 |
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| 23:49.49 | kristijonas | veelium, should nvidia-glx package be also installed? |
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| 23:51.47 | veelium | hm |
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| 23:52.24 | Nik05 | kristijonas those are the x drivers |
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| 23:52.49 | kristijonas | "Note: The reason this step has to come after step 2 is that nvidia-glx depends on a virtual package called 'nvidia-kernel-$NVVERSION', where $NVVERSION is the upstream part of the version of the nvidia-glx package. This virtual package should be provided by the kernel module package that you installed in step 2; so you have to complete that step first. If the installation of nvidia-glx fails because the 'nvidia-kernel-$NVVERSION' isn't satisfied, yo |
| 23:52.49 | kristijonas | u should probably make sure that step 2 went OK." nvidia-glx wasn't installed together with kernel. |
| 23:53.07 | l1t | i removed dovecot config files, uninstall dovecot, then re-installed and the config files are no longer in /etc/dovecot. What do i do now? |
| 23:53.24 | l1t | I thought apt would put them back |
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| 23:54.54 | kristijonas | Nik05, I have nvidia-glx-legacy-96xx installed. |
| 23:55.02 | veelium | install and try? |
| 23:55.40 | veelium | haven't that much of clue about nvidia |
| 23:55.52 | kristijonas | veelim, I tried, this for some reason changed my grub. |
| 23:56.35 | Nik05 | kristijonas you followed the link you gave me? :P |
| 23:56.42 | kristijonas | (this is what I had install Debian again" |
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| 23:56.54 | kristijonas | Nik05, yes,sure. |
| 23:57.17 | Tramp | naquad: I thought aptitude search 'and(~i !~M)' might do the trick, but it does not. So all I can come up with is aptitude search '~i' | grep -v '^..A' - which does look hacky, however |
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| 23:58.03 | naquad | Tramp, still lots of stuff i didn't install explicitly |
| 23:58.32 | naquad | seems that neither apt nor aptitude nor dpkg tracks installation request (depdendency / explicit) |
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| 23:59.25 | kristijonas | Nik05, is it bad following offcial Debian resources? |
| 23:59.30 | Nik05 | no |
| 23:59.39 | veelium | kristijonas: did you run nvidia-xconfig? (please correct if that is out of date) |
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| 23:59.49 | Nik05 | dpkg nvidia |
| 23:59.49 | dpkg | http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers . Ask me about <nouveau> (open source driver) or <nvidia dkms> (proprietary driver). For GPUs made before 2004, ask me about <nvidia legacy>. Installing directly from nvidia.com (i.e. with <nvidia-installer>) is _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia on irc.freenode.net. |