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| 00:00.09 | Roenie | (rolling, apart from the freezes) |
| 00:01.16 | ectospasm | Roenie: in a way, yes |
| 00:01.31 | Roenie | in a way? |
| 00:01.36 | ectospasm | but always tracking testing will mean you've got the worst of all worlds |
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| 00:01.46 | ectospasm | stable gets the security focus |
| 00:02.13 | ectospasm | ...and unstable will by definition receive security fixes long before they trickle down to testing. |
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| 00:02.31 | Roenie | oh i see |
| 00:02.47 | Roenie | i wouldn't use unstable.. so that leaves a choice between stable and testing |
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| 00:03.13 | Roenie | and because testing becomes the stable release, i might as well junp into testing and have newer packages earlier right |
| 00:03.33 | ectospasm | since "stable," "testing," and "unstable" (well, not really unstable) will be rolling terms, it's best to use codenames like lenny, squeeze, wheezy, or jessie. |
| 00:03.37 | ectospasm | ...or sid |
| 00:03.40 | Tramp | Roenie: don't use "testing". Use the actual name |
| 00:03.48 | Tramp | ... as ectospasm just said ... |
| 00:03.49 | ectospasm | although sid will always equal unstable |
| 00:04.47 | Roenie | ok, rephrase: |
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| 00:06.11 | Roenie | and because wheezy eventually will be locked and stable, i might as well junp into it now rather than squeeze |
| 00:06.18 | jelly-home | correct |
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| 00:07.00 | ectospasm | Roenie: if you really want a rolling release, go with sid. But be prepared for potentially difficult times. |
| 00:07.31 | ectospasm | I'm bracing for it. I hope I'm ready. |
| 00:07.39 | Roenie | i don't really want a rolling release, i just want the repos (and backports eventually) to be available to me as long as possible |
| 00:07.43 | Roenie | i hate reinstalling |
| 00:08.25 | ectospasm | Roenie: I'm using sid with the hope that I *never* have to reinstall again (-; |
| 00:08.43 | ectospasm | Roenie: although Debian is pretty slick in that regard |
| 00:09.42 | ectospasm | if you only track stable (or soon-to-be-stable), you should be able to adjust sources.list, aptitude update && aptitude full-upgrade |
| 00:09.53 | Roenie | so technically it is possible to install wheezy now and after it's declared stable, change sources.lst to to use the repos of whatever the new then name is for "testing"... but i'd never get security patches |
| 00:09.56 | ectospasm | the Debian devs (God bless them) have made upgrades a snap. |
| 00:10.13 | ectospasm | Roenie: correct. Well, "never" is a strong word |
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| 00:10.28 | Roenie | only the ones that are passed down from unstable |
| 00:10.38 | ectospasm | if a security fix is released in sid it can take days or weeks for it to hit testing |
| 00:10.55 | Roenie | it's only a home server though |
| 00:11.12 | Roenie | (and desktop on the other machine) |
| 00:11.17 | Roenie | not much there to hack, is there |
| 00:11.26 | ectospasm | if you require the ultimate in security, then stable (squeeze now, or wheezy in the near future) is the best bet. |
| 00:11.41 | ectospasm | Roenie: Linux can become a zombie in a botnet |
| 00:11.47 | ectospasm | it's not as common |
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| 00:12.23 | Roenie | the machine will be behind NAT, only a few ports open |
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| 00:12.33 | Roenie | and it won't be used to browse the web etc |
| 00:12.52 | Roenie | just serves as a fileserver mostly |
| 00:12.58 | ectospasm | those ports are potential vulnerabilities. |
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| 00:13.44 | Roenie | once wheezy is declared stable, no new package versions will be available, correct? |
| 00:13.47 | Nik05 | guys when are packages going into experimental? |
| 00:13.54 | Roenie | only security and bug fixes? |
| 00:14.02 | ectospasm | Roenie: only when backports gets revved up |
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| 00:14.40 | Roenie | they get revved up when the next version is released? |
| 00:14.53 | Nik05 | debian faq says experimental is is alpha testing phase, but what do they mean with that? |
| 00:15.08 | Roenie | (if so, that's a long time) |
| 00:15.29 | Nik05 | firefox has release stable 17orsomething.2 but iceweasel has version 10 in unstable |
| 00:15.41 | ectospasm | Roenie: as current stable ages, its package selection will age with it. backports is Debian's answer for that. As stable gets older, backports will grow |
| 00:16.31 | Roenie | ectospasm, i have another option - to use Arch and sync the repo to a local mirror on my LAN. That way, I don't have to keep arch updated every day/week, i can instead update it whenever I have time to fix any issues, |
| 00:16.42 | Roenie | by doing a new one time sync of my local mirror |
| 00:16.49 | ectospasm | Roenie: you can do the same with Debian |
| 00:17.09 | ectospasm | I'd be willing to wager it's easier in Debian |
| 00:17.22 | Roenie | yes but the difference is, debian unstable is probably more unstable than arch |
| 00:17.26 | ectospasm | ...but I can't really say that because I have zero Arch experience |
| 00:17.38 | Roenie | because arch doesn't *have* a stable release, they need to make sure arch is stable |
| 00:17.52 | ectospasm | Roenie: probably the other way around. Arch's rolling release is probably not as stable as Debian sid |
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| 00:18.30 | ectospasm | I equate Arch more as a precompiled Gentoo than a more stable distro like Debian. |
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| 00:18.54 | Roenie | but, but, but it's called "unstable" :S |
| 00:19.05 | ectospasm | you're scared by a name? |
| 00:19.15 | Nik05 | call it sid ;) |
| 00:19.15 | Roenie | what is your reasoning behind it? |
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| 00:19.19 | Nik05 | sid is nice |
| 00:19.46 | Nik05 | he kills toys :) |
| 00:19.54 | Roenie | what is your reasoning behind it? <-- that makes sid (i don't want to make Nik05 mad) more stable than arch? |
| 00:20.03 | enapupe | I'm having mouse/keyboard issues on 3.2 kernel (wheezy) is there any easy way to upgrade to 3.5? |
| 00:20.21 | ectospasm | Arch gives me the impression you have to keep on top of updates, almost updating every day or else things will get out of whack |
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| 00:20.32 | Roenie | that's the truth |
| 00:20.38 | Roenie | but with a local mirror i can stop that |
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| 00:21.01 | Roenie | i installed it in a VM to test it, and it was easy and stable |
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| 00:21.05 | ectospasm | I dunno if a local mirror can prevent that. |
| 00:21.07 | asciiker | Hello debian freaks |
| 00:21.08 | Roenie | just like wheezy |
| 00:21.19 | Grizul | ectospasm: that's my impression after using it for about four months. |
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| 00:21.39 | ectospasm | Roenie: if you're just starting out with Debian, by all means go with wheezy |
| 00:21.50 | Roenie | i have used debian for years |
| 00:21.51 | Grizul | Although I probably picked the worst timeline possible to test it (in particular big changes like systemd). |
| 00:21.53 | ectospasm | it's stable enough (SOON RALPH!) |
| 00:21.58 | asciiker | I need some help, I'm running Squeeze 64 on a remote server, I installed the openvz kernel ago and now I need to revert the process |
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| 00:22.08 | Roenie | i used to admin debian servers |
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| 00:22.49 | asciiker | ectospasm: Hello.... why wheezy and not squeeze ? |
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| 00:22.54 | asciiker | is it out yet? |
| 00:23.00 | Roenie | (i think that was etch or sarge) |
| 00:23.02 | Nik05 | nope |
| 00:23.09 | Roenie | probably sarge |
| 00:23.41 | asciiker | Wheezy: "This release started as a copy of squeeze, and is currently in a state called “testing”. That means that things should not break as badly as in unstable or experimental distributions," |
| 00:23.44 | asciiker | I would stay away from it |
| 00:24.06 | ectospasm | asciiker: wheezy is frozen, and therefore mostly stable. Check out the release critical bugs (http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/) and see if you can live with all of them |
| 00:24.53 | ectospasm | !frozen |
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| 00:24.53 | dpkg | rumour has it, frozen is the state software resides in /before/ it becomes stable. Frozen means no new packages/features can be added, only bugs can be fixed. Frozen does /not/ mean stable. <Squeeze> is now frozen: http://www.debian.org/News/2010/20100806 |
| 00:25.08 | ectospasm | heh |
| 00:25.09 | ectospasm | old |
| 00:25.13 | Roenie | ty |
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| 00:25.25 | jelly-home | ectospasm: fix it! |
| 00:25.33 | kiaas | I was asking earlier, but I need lenny's graphics stack to get fglrx to work on my computer, but I don't want the whole system to be as old as lenny. Any way I can do that? |
| 00:25.47 | ectospasm | As I learned last week, I am not a developer |
| 00:25.52 | jelly-home | kiaas: not easily. |
| 00:25.56 | ectospasm | I could be, if I put my mind to it |
| 00:26.09 | asciiker | ectospasm: ok.... assuming it is stable, what's so much better than squeeze ? |
| 00:26.17 | asciiker | squeeze has up to date packages |
| 00:26.24 | Roenie | Total number of release-critical bugs: 1694 <-- wow |
| 00:26.29 | ectospasm | asciiker: I think you've got it backwards |
| 00:26.42 | enapupe | Where can I find some information about kernel regressions/bugs? I have this microsoft mouse/keyboard which is not working on 3.2, it's fine on 2.6 and 3.5+ but not on wheezy |
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| 00:26.45 | jelly-home | asciiker: noone said it was much better; the context was asking about longevity of a release |
| 00:27.06 | Nik05 | who can fix dpkg? :P |
| 00:27.21 | asciiker | jelly-home: must have gotten here later than that message :p I see |
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| 00:27.32 | jelly-home | asciiker: why the sour face |
| 00:27.38 | EmleyMoor | Nik05: What's broken about dpkg? |
| 00:27.48 | ectospasm | asciiker: squeeze has old packages, mitigated by backports... wheezy has new(er) packages, but not as new as sid/unstable. experimental contains bleeding edge stuff |
| 00:27.55 | kiaas | jelly-home: how hard would it be? |
| 00:27.59 | asciiker | jelly-home: it's a tonge out not a sour face.... looks funny on my client.. |
| 00:28.30 | asciiker | ectospasm: are we discussing desktop or server environment? |
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| 00:29.23 | Nik05 | EmleyMoor i mean dpkg in this channel ;) |
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| 00:29.40 | Nik05 | !ping |
| 00:29.40 | dpkg | Sorry nik05, you're not online. |
| 00:29.43 | EmleyMoor | Nik05: What's broken about dpkg in this channel? |
| 00:29.50 | jelly-home | kiaas: you could create and use a squeeze chroot and run all your apps from there, including the login manager. |
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| 00:30.20 | Nik05 | EmleyMoor it says squeeze is now in frozen state |
| 00:30.38 | Nik05 | not really fixing just updating information |
| 00:30.43 | jelly-home | Nik05: anyone can change the factoid data, including ectospasm |
| 00:30.47 | streuner_ | dpkg, tell Nik05 about squeeze |
| 00:30.55 | EmleyMoor | Nik05: That is an "aware of" matter I'm sure someone will update |
| 00:31.02 | asciiker | anyone know how to remove the openvz kernel and replace with the latests squeeze on a remote production server? |
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| 00:31.38 | jelly-home | asciiker: running on a physical machine? |
| 00:31.43 | streuner_ | dpkg, squeeze |
| 00:31.44 | dpkg | Squeeze is the codename for the current <stable> release, Debian 6.0, released on 2011-02-06: http://www.debian.org/News/2011/20110205a . Squeeze is the three-eyed space alien. See http://wiki.debian.org/DebianSqueeze and ask me about <install squeeze> <release notes> <lenny->squeeze>. Currently <6.0.6>. The Debian release is not to be confused with the <Xfce> archive manager. |
| 00:31.45 | ectospasm | asciiker: desktop, server, the only real difference is package list and running services/programs |
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| 00:32.09 | Roenie | <jelly-home> asciiker: noone said it was much better; the context was asking about longevity of a release <-- indeed. the idea was to change repos in sources.lst, from wheezy to <insert name of next release in testing, here> |
| 00:32.25 | ectospasm | asciiker: and maybe a different kernel if you elect to install one. |
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| 00:34.12 | asciiker | jelly-home: why does it matter if it's virtual or dedicated? |
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| 00:35.07 | asciiker | what's the EOL for Squeeze anyway? google isn't helping |
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| 00:35.52 | jelly-home | asciiker: if it's an openvz VPS you can't change the kernel. |
| 00:36.15 | jelly-home | asciiker: EOL for a debian release is 12 months after the next one gets released |
| 00:36.18 | Roenie | <ectospasm> Arch gives me the impression you have to keep on top of updates, almost updating every day or else things will get out of whack. I dunno if a local mirror can prevent that. |
| 00:36.31 | Roenie | according to some guys in the arch channel you are right about that |
| 00:37.11 | asciiker | jelly-home: oh, I see. This is a physical server, I used to have openvz web manager with the openvz kernel. |
| 00:37.14 | asciiker | I want to remove it all |
| 00:37.47 | asciiker | jelly-home: I can find the tut I used to install openvz-kernel |
| 00:37.49 | Roenie | a big update from a local mirror all at once has a very high risk of breakage |
| 00:37.54 | asciiker | but nothing on uninstalling |
| 00:38.24 | ectospasm | Roenie: I have yet to notice that with Debian sid |
| 00:39.19 | ectospasm | I can let weeks go by, and not much will break. Many times apt-listpackages (or something like that) will print notices to stdout informing me of any changes I need to look out for. |
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| 00:39.51 | Nik05 | apt-listpackages? |
| 00:39.55 | Roenie | yeah arch probably doesn't break either after a few weeks |
| 00:40.03 | Roenie | i'm talking 6 months |
| 00:40.09 | Roenie | and then doing the upgrade |
| 00:40.10 | ectospasm | My biggest problem with Gentoo (my conceptual model for Arch) is that unless you constantly updated things something like a glibc update would come across and foobar everything. |
| 00:40.13 | jelly-home | asciiker: well, search for the package containing the relevant /boot/vmlinuz-* file |
| 00:40.44 | Roenie | hmm |
| 00:40.47 | jelly-home | asciiker: dpkg -S ... |
| 00:40.48 | ectospasm | Roenie: if you're using squeeze or wheezy, I'd expect that waiting even 12 months to upgrade won't cause breakage. |
| 00:41.02 | Roenie | so does sid start with a set of packages and sticks with those? |
| 00:41.09 | Roenie | opposed to arch constantly introducing new ones |
| 00:41.36 | asciiker | jelly-home: I am aware how to search packaged.. but thanks.. I can remove but since this is a remote server, I would have to install the latest kernel at the same time |
| 00:41.53 | asciiker | I only have ssh access you see |
| 00:41.58 | Nik05 | Roenie they can make dummy packages if some packages changed |
| 00:41.59 | jelly-home | asciiker: no console access? |
| 00:42.07 | Roenie | or do new packages enter sid all the time too |
| 00:42.15 | Nik05 | yes |
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| 00:42.29 | asciiker | jelly-home: data center offers a rescue mode with vnc. but I need to keep the downtime to a minimum |
| 00:42.30 | ectospasm | sid is more stable than the "unstable" moniker lets on... experimental is bleeding edge, but then again you can't install a pure experimental system (as it's not a proper distro) |
| 00:42.37 | Roenie | in that case, conceptually i don't see the difference |
| 00:42.51 | jelly-home | asciiker: I'd suggest not removing the currently running kernel until you're sure the new one works. What does your current uname -r say? |
| 00:43.00 | Roenie | ah yes there is the experimental buffer |
| 00:43.08 | Roenie | but arch also has one |
| 00:43.26 | ectospasm | Roenie: another reason I'd recommend any regular Debian distro (squeeze, wheezy, sid) over Arch is the relative maturity of the project and community |
| 00:43.32 | asciiker | jelly-home: 2.6.32-5-openvz-686 |
| 00:43.36 | jelly-home | Roenie, ectospasm: experimental isn't a complete release at all -- just a bunch of unrelated package builds |
| 00:43.36 | EasyAsPie | hi |
| 00:43.56 | ectospasm | jelly-home: I thought I implied that, but thanks for spelling it out |
| 00:44.17 | jelly-home | asciiker: just install the linux-image-686 metapackage, then |
| 00:44.19 | Roenie | a big reason to use debian (again) for me is that it is more of a standard |
| 00:44.29 | Roenie | deb based distros are wildly popular |
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| 00:44.38 | streuner_ | experimental is accorting to a RM, just a playground of DD's, please keep that in mind... |
| 00:44.39 | Roenie | and that means i will eventually have an easier time at work |
| 00:44.42 | EasyAsPie | how r u aindilis |
| 00:45.17 | asciiker | jelly-home: you're sure it will overwrite the vz kernel ? |
| 00:45.30 | asciiker | jelly-home: safely... |
| 00:45.33 | Nik05 | streuner_ when is decided to put a packages from experimental in unstable? |
| 00:45.34 | Roenie | if my home rig runs on arch, i'd be a little uncomfortable with debian if i need to use it at work, you see |
| 00:45.40 | jelly-home | asciiker: it won't. They will coexist for the time being. |
| 00:45.47 | asciiker | oh |
| 00:45.54 | asciiker | grub afterwards, I see |
| 00:46.19 | Nik05 | is it when the package structure is build for the package? |
| 00:46.22 | ectospasm | Roenie: all the more reason to use Debian |
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| 00:46.32 | jelly-home | asciiker: nod, and make sure grub gets configured to boot the right menu entry |
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| 00:47.01 | Roenie | i am conemplating to put centOS on my server so that i learn both the redhat style of doing things as well as keeping in touch with deb |
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| 00:47.32 | Roenie | since those two are the major ones running servers atm |
| 00:47.39 | ectospasm | I am not a Debian expert (I'm sure that's painfully obvious), but of all the distros I've used regularly for periods of time, Debian is the first one of them which doesn't have me itching for something else. |
| 00:47.49 | ectospasm | It has thus far satisfied all my needs. |
| 00:48.00 | ectospasm | and I don't think that will change anytime soon |
| 00:48.33 | Roenie | there are 2 needs it doesn't satisfy for me - relatively old packages and its documentation is not as nice to read through as arch's |
| 00:48.45 | EasyAsPie | hi Roenie |
| 00:48.46 | EasyAsPie | how r u |
| 00:48.46 | Roenie | i mean relatively old packages compared to say fedora |
| 00:48.52 | jelly-home | Nik05: packages from experimental never go to unstable. If the maintainer makes any fixes and thinks the package is good enough for unstable, they make a separate new upload it to unstable. |
| 00:49.06 | Nik05 | oh ok |
| 00:49.34 | Roenie | hi EasyAsPie ... |
| 00:49.38 | EasyAsPie | how r u |
| 00:49.53 | ectospasm | Roenie: much of the Arch documentation is perfectly applicable to Debian (obviously except for the AUR stuff) |
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| 00:50.33 | jelly-home | EasyAsPie: if you wish to socialize and don't have any support issues, please consider using #debian-offtopic instead of here, at least while other people are asking questions |
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| 00:51.12 | asciiker | jelly-home: alright, installed and configured... rebooting.. I'll thank you when it comes online :) |
| 00:51.35 | Roenie | btw, while it is possible to keep a local mirror of the debian repos |
| 00:51.47 | Roenie | that's like 39,000 packages |
| 00:51.48 | jelly-home | asciiker: hope you put in the correct menu entry offset for the default |
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| 00:52.14 | Roenie | a.k.a. well over 9000 |
| 00:52.30 | Grizul | ectospasm: pretty much same here, except the itch is that somehow everything else I try tends to break horribly at some point or application. |
| 00:52.31 | Roenie | or 29.000 whatever it was |
| 00:52.34 | ectospasm | Roenie: you could do a partial mirror, only get what you want |
| 00:52.49 | Roenie | yea that would be nice to have... |
| 00:53.07 | Roenie | btw i looked into doing that for arch, which we now know is a bad idea, and |
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| 00:53.28 | ectospasm | I used to use debmirror (but that got all borken on me and my attempt to start fresh failed miserably) |
| 00:53.33 | ectospasm | Now I use reprepro |
| 00:53.38 | Roenie | they have a script on their wiki to be used for it, that is partially not working on purpose |
| 00:53.39 | ectospasm | so far so good |
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| 00:53.59 | Nik05 | why would you want a mirror? |
| 00:54.07 | Roenie | it says you need to edit it to fix it - it prevents too many people copying/pasting it |
| 00:54.26 | Roenie | it was not obvious to me what the error in that script is supposed to be |
| 00:54.36 | Roenie | which struck me as really annoying (tm) |
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| 00:55.14 | Roenie | Nik05, it means you can reinstall whatever whenever, even if the repos are not up anymore for your version release |
| 00:55.51 | Roenie | in other words, extending the support period to a decade if you so desire, save for security patches |
| 00:55.53 | ectospasm | Roenie: another question I have: are you willing to deal with the context switching when you come home from your Debian work servers to your Arch systems? |
| 00:56.26 | Roenie | yes but i'd rather use something more standardized than pacman |
| 00:56.47 | Roenie | there is no long term value in knowing pacmans advanced features i don't think |
| 00:57.25 | ectospasm | I haven't come across any customers using Arch... maybe one that is forgotten |
| 00:57.49 | ectospasm | I know I've seen at least one Gentoo system, and a Slackware system |
| 00:58.05 | ectospasm | mostly it's CentOS, followed by Debian or Ubuntu |
| 00:58.11 | Roenie | arch is growing like fungus tho |
| 00:58.31 | asciiker | jelly-home: I'm wondering, don't I have to do something in sysctl ? |
| 00:59.08 | jelly-home | asciiker: what for? |
| 00:59.21 | Roenie | yeah i'm going to go with wheezy... |
| 00:59.33 | asciiker | jelly-home: it's was part of the install process. |
| 00:59.47 | asciiker | jelly-home: but probably it just affects vz |
| 01:00.13 | ectospasm | Roenie: good choice. If you have an old box you can use with Arch, I'd use that |
| 01:00.16 | Roenie | i like distros that keep it simple, text configs ftw, and no crazy splash screens and "features" that just make life harder |
| 01:00.26 | Roenie | so that means i have 3 choices: slackware, arch, debian |
| 01:00.39 | Roenie | slackware = no dependency resolution (built in at least) |
| 01:00.45 | ectospasm | I'm sure somewhere there are instructions for setting up an Arch repo in debian |
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| 01:00.51 | Roenie | arch = requires constant attention |
| 01:01.00 | Roenie | that leaves deb as the winner |
| 01:01.00 | ectospasm | Roenie: that's why I ran from Slackware to Gentoo. |
| 01:01.04 | asciiker | jelly-home: this is what I did to install: http://vjetnamnet.com/howto-install-openvz-on-debian-squeeze/ step 3 changes syscfg |
| 01:01.06 | Nik05 | Roenie fungus or fungi? |
| 01:01.45 | asciiker | sorry, sysctl.conf |
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| 01:02.05 | Roenie | idk, you tell me, Nik05 |
| 01:03.08 | Roenie | ectospasm, setting up an arch repo in debian would be a very bad choice, never do cross distro repo crao, it leads to breakage |
| 01:03.19 | Roenie | dependencies get b0rked |
| 01:03.29 | Roenie | crao=crap |
| 01:03.46 | Roenie | things get packaged differently... |
| 01:03.50 | ectospasm | Roenie: what are you talking about? The repo would live in its own directory, which could be another filesystem |
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| 01:04.11 | Roenie | i have a feeling i missed something |
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| 01:05.12 | Roenie | i don't follow. |
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| 01:05.30 | asciiker | jelly-home: seems I forgot to run update-grub, I'm still on vz kernel |
| 01:05.48 | ectospasm | I dunno how Arch references it's software repositories, but in Debian you pass apt the base URL to the repo, and go |
| 01:06.02 | Roenie | same |
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| 01:06.19 | Roenie | oh, you mean to have one system on debian, also host a local repo for an arch system on my lan |
| 01:06.49 | Roenie | well, the local repo of arch thing is a bad idea, because you have to keep arch updated constantly |
| 01:07.00 | Roenie | or it will break |
| 01:07.12 | Roenie | so there's not much of an advantage to having the local mirror |
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| 01:07.28 | nvz | I'm on wheezy and my system just showed a dialog saying i have 0 bytes free space.. df cocurs.. yet i just installed a app to analyse disk usage.. so obviously i had space to dl that |
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| 01:07.54 | nvz | i had 350gb or so free.. had a filemanager open saying so.. |
| 01:08.23 | nvz | then out of nowhere its just playing music and says there is 0 bytes free |
| 01:09.29 | Roenie | nvz, create a file with dd and see if it can be saved |
| 01:09.43 | Roenie | with if=/dev/random |
| 01:10.00 | nvz | actually it shows / mounted twice |
| 01:10.10 | nvz | both with 0 bytes as root |
| 01:10.58 | Roenie | erm |
| 01:11.03 | Roenie | where did that app come from? |
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| 01:14.07 | nvz | this app says my home dir has 427GB in use yet I can only SEE 120GB |
| 01:14.24 | nvz | there is like 300GB I cant see that just vanished |
| 01:14.37 | asciiker | jelly-home: you're the man.. uname -r --> 2.6.32-5-686 Many thanks! |
| 01:14.39 | nvz | since the last time that filemanager window was refreshed |
| 01:15.13 | jelly-home | asciiker: that kernel will be good enough as long as you have less than 4GB memory |
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| 01:15.30 | nvz | well I'll be damned.. it was chrome |
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| 01:15.45 | asciiker | jelly-home: yeah, so I've read. this is a low end old as hell. (only 1 GB of rAM) |
| 01:15.53 | nvz | erm no wait.. thats MB not GB.. heh |
| 01:16.22 | Roenie | if you can't see certain files... did you start that filemanager you are using as a non root user |
| 01:16.58 | Roenie | and if you don't trust it it's probably not a good idea to run it as root either, mind |
| 01:17.20 | nvz | heres what I know.. I had rhythmbox playing music, and a filemanager open that said I had 300gb free.. |
| 01:17.42 | nvz | I saw a popup come up and say I had 0bytes free.. mind you my wifi was off.. hard switch.. |
| 01:18.02 | nvz | I refreshed that filemanger and it says now I have 0 bytes free |
| 01:18.44 | nvz | 300GB of disk space vanished with nothing open but chrome, vlc, rhythmbox, and a filemanager.. and all it was doing at the time is playing local mp3s |
| 01:18.55 | nvz | while the machine was offline no less |
| 01:19.24 | nvz | I expected to see something interesting in dmesg.. but nothing about the filesystem or disk |
| 01:19.24 | Roenie | interesting |
| 01:19.37 | Roenie | try running top to see what's active |
| 01:19.49 | Roenie | or ps aux |
| 01:19.56 | nvz | duh.. heh |
| 01:20.06 | nvz | seems I got avidemux processes open |
| 01:20.10 | nvz | doing who knows what |
| 01:20.23 | nvz | had it freeze trying to transcode something earlier |
| 01:20.37 | nvz | must've been writing to the disk the whole time and I cant figure out where |
| 01:20.49 | nvz | obviously in my homedir somewhere |
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| 01:21.03 | Roenie | says: well there's yer problem, mythbusters style |
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| 01:21.31 | nvz | not really.. that would explain an out of space situation... |
| 01:21.53 | nvz | a program I thought I killed not on screen still showing up on the ps list.. and knowing its one that writes lots of data |
| 01:22.06 | nvz | knowing the problem means I know where that 300GB is to reclaim it.. heh |
| 01:22.21 | nvz | even this disk space usage analyzer isnt seeing it |
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| 01:23.26 | nvz | that avidemux was running as my user and the disk usage program shows the 427GB in my home dir but the largest two dirs only equal 120GB and thats my video and music dirs.. the other 300GB doesnt show up |
| 01:24.41 | chrissbx | Hello. I've got several hosts (they're all on the same machine using linux-vserver), one of them is called t3 and my client (running X), one is gam and running Debian stable (squeeze), one is tes and running Debian testing. |
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| 01:25.04 | chrissbx | I can log into gam using ssh -X and have it display stuff just fine, but on tes it says |
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| 01:25.10 | Roenie | nvz, are you using "du" to check for size of the home dir recursively? |
| 01:25.11 | chrissbx | Error: Can't open display: localhost:10.0 |
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| 01:25.35 | Roenie | if not, you should... that's stuff you can trust |
| 01:26.06 | chrissbx | Aha. X11DisplayOffset might be it. |
| 01:26.17 | Roenie | (man du, i never remember the flags) |
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| 01:27.43 | chrissbx | Hm, changing X11DisplayOffset doesn't help. Still says Error: Can't open display: localhost:10.0 |
| 01:27.55 | chrissbx | So, chris@tes:~$ grep -i X11 /etc/ssh/sshd_config |
| 01:27.55 | chrissbx | X11Forwarding yes |
| 01:27.55 | chrissbx | X11DisplayOffset 12 |
| 01:28.08 | chrissbx | chris@gam:~$ grep -i X11 /etc/ssh/sshd_config |
| 01:28.08 | chrissbx | X11Forwarding yes |
| 01:28.08 | chrissbx | X11DisplayOffset 10 |
| 01:28.21 | chrissbx | Any idea what's happening? |
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| 01:29.19 | nvz | oh well this is weird shit.. I'll look into it later.. |
| 01:29.28 | Roenie | http://paste.lisp.org |
| 01:29.29 | chrissbx | chris@t3:~$ grep -i x11 .ssh/config |
| 01:29.29 | chrissbx | ForwardX11Trusted no |
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| 01:29.43 | chrissbx | Did ssh change in testing so that it's incompatible re X11 forwarding? |
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| 01:31.10 | Tramp | chrissbx: do you have xauth on the server? |
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| 01:32.52 | anatil | hi? |
| 01:32.58 | emss | hello |
| 01:33.22 | anatil | how are u? |
| 01:33.31 | Roenie | <Tramp> chrissbx: do you have xauth on the server? |
| 01:33.37 | chrissbx | yes |
| 01:33.48 | chrissbx | I do. xauth list says |
| 01:33.49 | Roenie | also, what happens if you change the offset on gam? |
| 01:34.11 | chrissbx | chris@tes:~$ xauth list |
| 01:34.12 | chrissbx | tes/unix:10 MIT-MAGIC-COOKIE-1 7ee8f7b806b9c7c6f5b4e4bcf6408b14 |
| 01:34.13 | Roenie | please use a pastebin this time |
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| 01:34.15 | chrissbx | checking |
| 01:34.16 | chrissbx | ok. |
| 01:34.37 | Roenie | at http://paste.lisp.org you can append an earlier paste |
| 01:34.43 | Roenie | makes life easier |
| 01:34.49 | chrissbx | k |
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| 01:35.25 | chrissbx | On gamb, xauth list says gamb/unix:11 .. |
| 01:35.58 | chrissbx | interesting, with X11DisplayOffset set to 10. |
| 01:36.00 | asciiker | jelly-home: all services seem to be running normally, should I rebuild anything (apache, exim) to suit this kernel? |
| 01:36.42 | jelly-home | asciiker: no. Userspace and kernel mostly have clearly separated roles and talk thru established APIs. |
| 01:37.01 | asciiker | jelly-home: good to know |
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| 01:37.19 | chrissbx | Aha, need to restart ssh of course. |
| 01:37.28 | jelly-home | asciiker: if you had custom third party modules, or a service very tightly bound to the kernel, you might have had to rebuild stuff |
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| 01:37.51 | chrissbx | But now, although I've got an entry tes/unix:12 now, it still doesn't work. |
| 01:38.01 | chrissbx | Error: Can't open display: localhost:12.0 |
| 01:38.31 | chrissbx | Whereas gam with changed offset still does work. |
| 01:38.38 | jelly-home | asciiker: in general, drivers excluded, kernels can be freely replaced independently of the rest of the OS |
| 01:39.34 | jelly-home | asciiker: corolary: you can easily upgrade/replace hardware and keep using the same debian installation |
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| 01:41.58 | jelly-home | asciiker: the installation I'm writing from was installed in 2001, had 4-5 hw complete hw upgrades, 7-8 disk upgrades, 8 debian releases and countless kernel versions |
| 01:42.18 | asciiker | jelly-home: I see, I've always liked to compile from source for the best optimization with the kernel |
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| 01:42.48 | Roenie | chrissbx, again: my advice = use a pastebin so we have all the info on one page |
| 01:43.08 | BenNZ | chrissbx: have you run export DISPLAY=localhost:12.0 |
| 01:43.18 | Roenie | no one can help if you force them to scroll up and down the channel until blue in the face |
| 01:43.33 | asciiker | jelly-home: this server had etch and I upgrade to squeeze with some hassle |
| 01:43.41 | chrissbx | Ok, pasting everything. |
| 01:45.06 | asciiker | jelly-home: on production servers you don't want to make a lot of changes |
| 01:45.33 | asciiker | jelly-home: this has been running for 5 years with a downtime of 2 hours / year |
| 01:45.48 | asciiker | mostly due to reboots |
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| 01:46.30 | Towzzer | hey jelly-house |
| 01:47.21 | chrissbx | BenNZ: DISPLAY is already set to this value |
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| 01:48.10 | kisoku | anyone know how to rename an apt distribution when using reprepro ? |
| 01:48.40 | chrissbx | BTW strange detail: tes doesn't show the usual system version line (uname -a) as the first greeter line. |
| 01:49.10 | chrissbx | Just an empty line then the "The programs included with the Debian ..." message. |
| 01:50.11 | kisoku | either that or a way to dump a list of all the deb files contained in a distribution, and by that I mean the paths to the files themselves, not the package name and version (ie. reprerpro list <distname>) |
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| 01:55.19 | enapupe | how do I build linux-headers from the kernel i just build? |
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| 01:56.08 | JamJams | Is it possible to install the g++-3.4 package on wheezy? I can't seem to find it... |
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| 01:57.20 | asciiker | enapupe: apt-get install linux-headers-$(uname -r) |
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| 01:57.44 | enapupe | asciiker: will debian have 3.7.8 headers? |
| 01:58.23 | wsky | enapupe: have you build your kernel with make all or make deb-pkg? |
| 01:58.26 | asciiker | enapupe: headers depend on kernel version. what kernel are you on? |
| 01:58.35 | enapupe | 3.7.8 |
| 01:58.46 | enapupe | I just build with make |
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| 01:58.57 | wsky | enapupe: but make all or make deb-pkg? |
| 01:59.00 | enapupe | but not make all.. make modules and stuff |
| 01:59.05 | enapupe | maybe I missed something |
| 01:59.17 | asciiker | enapupe: try the command |
| 01:59.22 | wsky | so you've just built the modules alone |
| 01:59.47 | enapupe | What should I have done? make && make all && make install ? |
| 01:59.48 | wsky | i'd recomend you running apt-get build-dep linux-image and then make deb-pkg |
| 02:00.30 | wsky | this will provide you nice, deb packages of your kernel, headers, firmware and libc-dev |
| 02:00.37 | enapupe | sounds nice |
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| 02:00.47 | enapupe | what is <linux-image> after build-dep? |
| 02:01.45 | wsky | it's the name of the kernel image package... might be actually linux-image-pae or something, i can;t recall the exact name needed cause linux-image seem to be a dummy package |
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| 02:04.32 | wsky | enapupe: you can type 'apt-get build-dep linux-image-686' this is only for pullin packages needed to build a .deb package for your kernel |
| 02:05.23 | enapupe | ok done |
| 02:06.26 | enapupe | I'm guessing I'll have to run make again, I deleted the folder after successfully booted on 3.7.8 |
| 02:06.48 | wsky | yeah, run 'make clean && make -j3 deb-pkg' |
| 02:07.09 | wsky | or -j<whatever> depending on your cpu cores |
| 02:07.43 | enapupe | Ok, runnin |
| 02:08.47 | enapupe | remembering that the kernel is already installed, I only need to make it a [nice deb package] and get its headers |
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| 02:12.29 | wsky | enapupe: the packegesh should be placed in the directory about the one you're running make in |
| 02:12.32 | wsky | packages |
| 02:12.57 | enapupe | as soon the make finishes? |
| 02:13.09 | wsky | ye |
| 02:13.20 | enapupe | Ok, after that, what do I do? |
| 02:13.25 | wsky | what do you mean by "the kernel is already installed" |
| 02:13.30 | wsky | your old, stock kernel? |
| 02:13.37 | enapupe | nope, I'm runing 3.7.8 |
| 02:13.54 | enapupe | But another software need its headers |
| 02:14.09 | wsky | ah ic |
| 02:14.28 | wsky | well, thenit was only needed to run make headers_install |
| 02:14.31 | asciiker | enapupe: have you tried: linux-headers-$(uname -r) |
| 02:14.46 | asciiker | or does that does not work on wheezy? |
| 02:14.50 | enapupe | asciiker: this is about 3.7.8 |
| 02:15.00 | wsky | but it's always better to build kernel deb packages in debian imo |
| 02:15.05 | enapupe | asciiker: there is not package to 3.7.8 |
| 02:15.11 | asciiker | enapupe: ok, I see |
| 02:15.15 | enapupe | I didn't find any! |
| 02:16.03 | asciiker | even with the "test" repository? I find that strange |
| 02:16.09 | wsky | packages.debian.net seems down, i can't check is there 3.7.8 in experimental |
| 02:16.12 | enapupe | the background history is: my mouse/keyboard doesn't work on wheezy |
| 02:17.14 | enapupe | I would love to install it through deb packages.. |
| 02:17.19 | enapupe | So easy and beautiful |
| 02:17.59 | enapupe | wsky: but about the headers, ok, i'll run headers_install. But i think it is nice to have nice deb pkg |
| 02:18.44 | wsky | yeah, you can uninstall eat easly, list files and do all the deb stuff debian has to offer |
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| 02:19.52 | enapupe | make is taking a while.. the cpu fan is singing :) |
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| 02:22.26 | wsky | also, when you install your custom kernel.deb, debian atumatically makes the initrd and updates grub2 |
| 02:22.42 | enapupe | that happened without the deb |
| 02:22.51 | enapupe | surprisingly |
| 02:22.57 | wsky | orly |
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| 02:23.03 | enapupe | yes, It was really easy |
| 02:23.23 | enapupe | the first time I tried, this didn't happen so I got stuck on the initrd part |
| 02:23.35 | enapupe | 3.6 kernel, if I recall |
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| 02:24.02 | enapupe | So.. Make is done, now what? |
| 02:24.10 | wsky | ls ../*.deb |
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| 02:24.25 | enapupe | wow |
| 02:24.31 | enapupe | I now have a .deb for the headers |
| 02:24.34 | enapupe | cool.. |
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| 02:24.41 | enapupe | dkpg -i file? |
| 02:24.56 | wsky | dpkg -i desired_deb_packge.deb (as root) |
| 02:24.57 | dpkg | package desired_deb_packge.deb (as root) is already installed |
| 02:25.02 | wsky | obviously as root |
| 02:25.11 | leftist | hi when you get a firmware deficiiency error and it prompts you for the option to fix it. do you download the whole firmware-linux-nonfree deb and during the build it will determine where in the bunch the driver is? |
| 02:25.11 | wsky | whoops |
| 02:26.26 | Dwarf | Hey folks, what would be a good GUI frontend for IPtables? I've tried firestarter but it's not doing it for me |
| 02:26.33 | enapupe | cool |
| 02:27.40 | wsky | Dwarf: i don't think there is a thing like a *good* GUI iptables frontend, sadly |
| 02:27.58 | Dwarf | I've seen guarddog but it seems outdated and unavailable on wheezy |
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| 02:29.15 | enapupe | Dwarf: check UFW, it's not a gui though |
| 02:29.22 | Dwarf | CLI? |
| 02:29.31 | Dwarf | CLI is fine too |
| 02:29.45 | enapupe | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UncomplicatedFirewall |
| 02:30.05 | enapupe | IDK how it is avaiable on debian, but is a CLI made to simplify iptables rules |
| 02:31.34 | Dwarf | Would CSF work for a desktop? |
| 02:31.37 | enapupe | hey, I have this software that asks me to point to linux headers, IDK whre to point.. /usr/src/linux-headers-3.7.8 is there but the software says it's invalid |
| 02:31.40 | Dwarf | I kinda liked that |
| 02:32.19 | Dwarf | Wasn't it something like linux-headers-$(uname -r) |
| 02:32.20 | wsky | enapupe: what software and what exactly does it say? |
| 02:32.26 | enapupe | vmware tools |
| 02:32.48 | enapupe | Enter the path to the kernel header files for the 3.7.8 kernel |
| 02:33.00 | wsky | enapupe: maybe you should install your kernel .deb and reboot to it |
| 02:33.50 | drumr | i installed debian 6 but for some reason synaptic isnt installed and it can be found using apt-get. any suggestions? |
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| 02:35.14 | enapupe | wsky: trying.. |
| 02:35.36 | wsky | drumr: what repositories have you got enabled in sources.list? |
| 02:35.56 | drumr | just the default ones from the live cd |
| 02:36.03 | drumr | i did comment out the cdrom option |
| 02:36.26 | jelly-home | drumr: pastebin the contents of the file, please |
| 02:36.31 | notjimcarrey | anyone know how to get a hauppauge hvr-1950 to work? |
| 02:37.39 | enapupe | wsky: same thing :/ |
| 02:37.54 | wsky | enapupe: what does vmware tools excty say? |
| 02:37.58 | wsky | exactly |
| 02:38.20 | wsky | can you paste the line here? |
| 02:38.21 | enapupe | says that the path "" is not a valid linux headers path and asks me to fill it |
| 02:38.33 | enapupe | Nope because the vmware clipboard is not working fine |
| 02:38.39 | enapupe | and that's why i'm installing vmware tools |
| 02:38.39 | enapupe | haha |
| 02:38.50 | wsky | wai wait |
| 02:39.13 | wsky | so your debian is a guest ps |
| 02:39.16 | wsky | os |
| 02:39.31 | enapupe | yes |
| 02:39.32 | notjimcarrey | following the insctructions from isely.net for building the driver, but i keep getting "fatal error: dvb_frontend.h: No such file or directory" |
| 02:39.37 | jelly-home | !tell drumr about squeeze sources.list |
| 02:39.58 | enapupe | I'll make the clipboard work though pastebin, just 1 sec |
| 02:39.58 | drumr | ill load it up here in a min |
| 02:40.49 | jelly-home | drumr: you might be merely missing any normal repos in it, see what dpkg told you in that private message |
| 02:40.50 | wsky | enapupe: well, i'm guessing that you're missing dada entry for the tools installer |
| 02:41.10 | enapupe | Searching for a valid kernel header path...The path "" is not a valid path to the 3.7.8 kernel headers.Would you like to change it? [yes] |
| 02:41.16 | drumr | yeah i have security and i have another one in there |
| 02:41.21 | drumr | i think i didnt update |
| 02:41.26 | drumr | thats why |
| 02:41.41 | drumr | ill be able to get into it in a min |
| 02:41.47 | wsky | data* |
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| 02:45.43 | enapupe | I'm giving up vmware tools |
| 02:46.11 | enapupe | The master issue was run a working kernel on debian, now I can migrate as soon my ssd arrives. No more ubuntu |
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| 02:48.15 | enapupe | actually, vmware installed without this headers line |
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| 02:50.25 | drumr | http://www.pastebin.com/3VTGzWGm |
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| 02:51.09 | drumr | maybe im supposed to take off the # in from of the http |
| 02:51.19 | drumr | for the two on the bottom |
| 02:51.28 | jaggz-- | if I'm doing an ssh pipe from localhost to localhost, it requires my root login password. What's the recommended way to stop that? Is a key for this localhost to localhost going to introduce insecurity? |
| 02:51.43 | un214 | .shosts |
| 02:51.50 | jaggz-- | (if I put an ssh key as authorized) |
| 02:52.03 | un214 | a key in /root won't introduce insecurity |
| 02:52.17 | jaggz-- | thanks.. reading man sshd on shosts |
| 02:52.38 | enapupe | drumr: yeah, uncomnent it |
| 02:52.45 | enapupe | uncomment* |
| 02:53.27 | istok | anyone know how to increase the FD_SETSIZE in squeeze? I was sure it was just a matter of editing /etc/security/limits.conf and then editing a types.h file... but I can't seem to find the correct path, each types.h I've checked doesn't have a setting/var to change/edit |
| 02:53.34 | enapupe | drumr: then apt-get update, if doesn't work, find another mirro |
| 02:53.38 | enapupe | mirror* |
| 02:54.32 | drumr | ok thanks |
| 02:54.49 | drumr | ok great that worked |
| 02:55.02 | drumr | when i did it before i just commented out the cdrom and didnt remove the comments below |
| 02:55.09 | drumr | and i def didnt do update |
| 02:55.17 | drumr | im getting used to debian |
| 02:55.20 | drumr | im used to yum |
| 02:55.26 | drumr | with fedora and centos |
| 02:56.25 | drumr | would apt-get upgrade install updates |
| 02:57.32 | istok | drumr, correct, although, i like to throw in the -u switch, just to check which packages are being downloaded, and if i wish to discontinue |
| 02:57.37 | istok | ie; apt-get -u upgrade |
| 02:57.38 | jaggz-- | is .shosts necessary if I put a key in authorized_keys? it doesn't seem to be |
| 02:57.48 | drumr | ah ok great thanks for the tip |
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| 02:58.39 | jaggz-- | hmm.. it says authorized_keys corresponds to the conventional ~/.rhosts |
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| 03:00.06 | drumr | is there a way to search packages or groups using apt0-get or how does one search the repos |
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| 03:00.55 | istok | drumr, yep, apt-cache search packagename | egrep 'match1|match2' |
| 03:00.56 | wsky | drumr: apt-cache |
| 03:00.58 | istok | or something |
| 03:01.13 | drumr | ah ok |
| 03:01.22 | drumr | ill look up the apt-get wiki to look for some more |
| 03:01.26 | drumr | thanks |
| 03:01.31 | istok | or; man apt |
| 03:01.34 | istok | ;) |
| 03:01.39 | drumr | hehe k |
| 03:01.51 | istok | apt-get --help |
| 03:01.53 | istok | also works |
| 03:02.11 | drumr | k |
| 03:02.19 | istok | but yeah, do some independant research, take notes if you need to ;) |
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| 03:02.27 | drumr | yup you bet |
| 03:02.31 | istok | i also keep a *.txt of commands i'm learning |
| 03:02.43 | istok | err, s/also/always |
| 03:02.44 | drumr | yeah i like to do that as well |
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| 03:04.43 | misspwn | yeah i'm just going to install gentoo instead |
| 03:04.57 | notjimcarrey | how do i get apt-get to stop trying to setup transmission-daemon? |
| 03:04.59 | misspwn | and if wheezy or the other stuff becomes stable for sure then i'll deal with wireless |
| 03:05.11 | un214 | why is it doing it? |
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| 03:06.34 | un214 | I have a very brutal way but it's generally a bad idea unless you can prove the package is a bogus dependency |
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| 03:06.40 | notjimcarrey | every time it changes the ownership of /etc/transmission-daemon/settings.json |
| 03:06.56 | notjimcarrey | then fails to start |
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| 03:07.08 | un214 | ok nothing I can do about that |
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| 03:07.43 | notjimcarrey | so now everytime i run apt-get update, it rechanges the perms, and fails |
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| 03:08.04 | un214 | hmmmm |
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| 03:08.43 | un214 | apt-get() { command apt-get "$@" ; chown whatever /etc/transmission-daemon/settings.json ; } |
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| 03:09.03 | un214 | I know what a stupid idea |
| 03:09.10 | notjimcarrey | lol |
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| 03:12.14 | notjimcarrey | even tried "usermod -a -G debian-transmission notjimcarrey", but still fails |
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| 03:13.37 | wsky | i do not see how apt-get update would do anything like this to your /etc files |
| 03:14.26 | notjimcarrey | settings.json before apt-get update: -rw-r--r-- 1 notjimcarrey notjimcarrey |
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| 03:14.50 | notjimcarrey | after update: -rw-rw---- 1 debian-transmission debian-transmission |
| 03:14.58 | notjimcarrey | every damn time |
| 03:15.15 | un214 | and transmission-daemon runs as you ? |
| 03:15.19 | notjimcarrey | yeah |
| 03:15.24 | wsky | are you sure that you have no transmission-daemon runing? |
| 03:15.52 | un214 | hmmm you could try dpkg divert to change where the package manager thinks it is |
| 03:15.57 | notjimcarrey | USER=notjimcarrey in /etc/init.d/transmission-daemon |
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| 03:16.01 | un214 | but that probably dooesn't work on config files |
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| 03:17.14 | notjimcarrey | apt-get fails becuase it's resetting the settings.json perms for U/G transmission-daemon, but the daemon is run as notjimcarrey |
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| 03:18.35 | un214 | !bug |
| 03:18.35 | dpkg | Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of unstable and testing are required to check the BTS. See also <apt-listbugs>, <reportbug>. http://wiki.debian.org/HowtoUseBTS |
| 03:18.40 | un214 | try filing a bug |
| 03:19.05 | un214 | if it weren't in the package postconfig I'd have a fast fix for you |
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| 03:19.57 | istok | :/ |
| 03:20.03 | istok | silly fd_setsize |
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| 03:24.01 | notjimcarrey | now to get the damn tv tuner working |
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| 03:25.53 | notjimcarrey | tried 3.2 3.7 & 3.8, but still no go |
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| 03:28.47 | notjimcarrey | even have "Hauppauge WinTV-PVR USB2 support" setup in kernel, but it won't even generate the devices in /dev |
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| 03:32.38 | wsky | haha explorer can do sftp <3 |
| 03:32.43 | wsky | had no idea |
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| 03:39.48 | kristijonas | What is the difference between BIOS revision and BIOS version? |
| 03:39.49 | drumr | svn seems to be missing |
| 03:39.55 | drumr | is this normal |
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| 03:40.47 | un214 | apt-get install svn |
| 03:41.27 | drumr | hmm unable to locate |
| 03:41.32 | drumr | maybe i should change repo |
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| 03:57.22 | LtL | un214: apt-cache search svn ... isn't svn subversion? |
| 03:57.30 | un214 | it is |
| 03:57.44 | LtL | apt-get install subversion |
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| 03:58.20 | LtL | or apt-cach search svn ..many optional packages too |
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| 04:01.21 | ectospasm | does apt-cache search produce different results than aptitude search? I was under the impression that it was no |
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| 04:02.35 | LtL | ectospasm: I don't think it's any different. |
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| 04:04.28 | ectospasm | I chose to focus on using aptitude, mainly because it seems remembering to search with apt-cache was too difficult |
| 04:05.16 | LtL | ectospasm: aptitude has some trick search syntax, although i don't recall offhand |
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| 04:14.26 | zykotick9 | ectospasm: as an example, by default aptitude search does NOT search descriptions, where apt-cache does. big difference right there. |
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| 04:18.40 | rudi_s | LtL: ~d text searches in descriptions in aptitude. |
| 04:19.21 | LtL | rudi_s: thanks, forgot that :) |
| 04:20.12 | rudi_s | np ;-) |
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| 04:39.05 | drumr | im trying to find the verify codes to compare to for downloads |
| 04:39.14 | drumr | i found the verify page but it gives info for old |
| 04:39.30 | rudi_s | drumr: "verify codes"? |
| 04:39.32 | drumr | nvm i think i found it |
| 04:39.50 | drumr | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.6/amd64/iso-cd/SHA256SUMS |
| 04:39.52 | drumr | is one |
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| 04:40.22 | rudi_s | drumr: Ah, yeah. And if you want to check the authenticity as well, check the .sig too. |
| 04:40.29 | drumr | ok thanks |
| 04:40.39 | rudi_s | np |
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| 05:03.26 | kristijonas | hello, is there any good tools to make the system testing? |
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| 05:15.47 | _jacks | hi, everytime i click on a terminal prompt in gnome it prints characters, is there anyway to stop this? |
| 05:16.21 | Blue1 | _jacks: sounds like a sticky keyboard |
| 05:16.45 | _jacks | Blue1: yes but i mean when i click on it, say to change window focus |
| 05:17.27 | _jacks | but when im in a curses app it doesn't print anything |
| 05:17.38 | Blue1 | _jacks: what version of debian? fresh install, upgrade? just started? |
| 05:17.52 | _jacks | it was squeeze and it was doing it |
| 05:17.55 | _jacks | now im running testing |
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| 05:19.45 | _jacks | for example it prints: G-#G- R,#R, [-#[- |
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| 05:20.06 | _jacks | this is while double clicking within the terminal prompt |
| 05:20.17 | _jacks | single clicks also seem to print characters |
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| 05:20.37 | Blue1 | have you tried another mouse or keyboard? |
| 05:20.37 | _jacks | E)#E) L+#L+ etc |
| 05:20.48 | _jacks | well its a new mouse |
| 05:20.51 | Blue1 | have you tried it on another computer? |
| 05:21.00 | Blue1 | ahh that maybe the culprit |
| 05:21.12 | _jacks | it does the same thing on my old mouse though |
| 05:21.17 | _jacks | they're both USB |
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| 05:21.32 | Blue1 | have you tried them on a friends computer? |
| 05:21.43 | Blue1 | livecd? |
| 05:21.43 | _jacks | it's strange because it doesn't do it in every terminal prompt |
| 05:21.55 | Blue1 | how old is the keyboard |
| 05:22.11 | _jacks | i really don't think its the keyboard, probably several years old |
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| 05:22.23 | _jacks | i can click and it prints and im not even touching the keyboard |
| 05:22.57 | _jacks | so i assume you haven't seen anything similar before |
| 05:23.29 | _jacks | i thought perhaps it was terminal emulation or something |
| 05:23.37 | _jacks | but i really dont know much about it |
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| 05:24.55 | _jacks | my friends dont run linux |
| 05:25.41 | Blue1 | that doesn |
| 05:25.50 | _jacks | i am tempted to just install windows again, i'm just thinking that this is too buggy |
| 05:26.09 | _jacks | as nice as it is |
| 05:26.14 | Blue1 | that does not matter -- you just want to see if the keyboard and mouse work - that will determine if it's a hardware issue, or a software issue |
| 05:26.30 | _jacks | its definitely a software issue |
| 05:26.34 | Blue1 | works on another computer -- then you have a software issue |
| 05:27.02 | Blue1 | what about different usb ports? tried that? |
| 05:27.12 | _jacks | yes. |
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| 05:28.09 | _jacks | it's not the only issue, half the time i can't even minimise windows in gnome i have to click in the blank spot to the right of the minimise button |
| 05:28.12 | _jacks | for the button to actually work |
| 05:28.55 | Blue1 | i would try a live cd and see how it behaves |
| 05:29.08 | _jacks | the live cd i ran earlier seemed fine |
| 05:30.04 | _jacks | oh btw, the terminal thing only seems to happen after an application crashes within that terminal |
| 05:30.36 | Blue1 | okay sounds like you have an option set wrong let's look at some basic settings |
| 05:30.48 | _jacks | okay |
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| 05:31.13 | Blue1 | type in at a terminal prompt: lsusb |
| 05:31.25 | _jacks | okay |
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| 05:31.36 | phy1729 | I'm writing a cross platform sh script and want to test for the existance of apt-get. which -s apt-get fails because which doesn't support the -s flag. What is the suggested way of doing this? |
| 05:31.50 | _jacks | what should i see here? i see several bus and device listing |
| 05:32.40 | _jacks | a root hub shares a bus (different ID) with the keyboard and a root hub shares (different ID) a bus with the mouse |
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| 05:34.07 | Blue1 | okay but you see both the mouse and keyboard in the list, correct? |
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| 05:34.44 | _jacks | phy1729: why not stat the binary and check $? |
| 05:34.58 | _jacks | Blue1: yes |
| 05:35.11 | phy1729 | _jacks: because I have no idea how to do that |
| 05:35.14 | Blue1 | okay let's look at the keyboard layout |
| 05:35.27 | Blue1 | system/preferences/keyboard |
| 05:35.44 | Blue1 | click on layouts what does it say? |
| 05:36.24 | _jacks | phy1729: google bash check file exists, its if [ -f $FILE ]; |
| 05:36.39 | _jacks | ill check |
| 05:37.10 | phy1729 | _jacks: so just check for if /usr/bin/apt-get exists? |
| 05:37.46 | _jacks | Blue1: i don't see keyboard listed in prefs |
| 05:38.09 | _jacks | phy1729: I would |
| 05:38.20 | phy1729 | ok |
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| 05:38.51 | Blue1 | system/preferences/keyboard |
| 05:39.08 | _jacks | in gnome? |
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| 05:39.17 | Blue1 | yes |
| 05:39.25 | Blue1 | !pastebin |
| 05:39.26 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>. |
| 05:40.59 | _jacks | Blue1: i found keyboard but it was in system settings/keyboard |
| 05:41.16 | _jacks | Blue1: there isn't any layout specified, it should be qwerty US |
| 05:41.48 | _jacks | Blue1: this is gnome 3.4.2 |
| 05:41.57 | Blue1 | can |
| 05:42.02 | Blue1 | t upload a picture |
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| 05:42.14 | Blue1 | says I have to accept the rules -= fine |
| 05:42.32 | _jacks | Blue1: sorry there is a layout, i found it.. it was a hyperlink called layout |
| 05:42.47 | _jacks | Blue1: its English (US) with a checkbox on use the same layout for all windows |
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| 05:42.57 | Blue1 | something like this: http://picpaste.com/keyboard-JRcJhbqY.jpg |
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| 05:43.23 | _jacks | no very different |
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| 05:44.02 | Blue1 | let me check my gnome brb |
| 05:44.31 | _jacks | Blue1: http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-DoYV6LqQhYY/TxrLam4e9mI/AAAAAAAAARU/vl_8Skwf-jc/s1600/gnome3keyboardlayout.png |
| 05:44.36 | Blue1 | okay you have a different gnome then I do |
| 05:44.38 | _jacks | Blue1: except mine doesn't have German listed |
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| 05:44.54 | Blue1 | that is far different from mine - |
| 05:45.00 | Blue1 | do a uname -a please |
| 05:45.28 | _jacks | Blue1: Debian 3.2.35-2 on 3.2.0-4-686-pae i686 |
| 05:45.31 | _jacks | SMP.. |
| 05:45.39 | Blue1 | okay you are not running squeeze |
| 05:45.46 | calwig | for an i386 downloadable USB boot installation, which one of these versions can be used? http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.6/i386/bt-cd/ |
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| 05:46.11 | Blue1 | explains much - latest kernel in squeeze is 2.6.32-5 |
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| 05:46.26 | Blue1 | you must be using wheezy |
| 05:46.27 | _jacks | Blue1: would that affect the terminal though ? |
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| 05:46.40 | Blue1 | it might - wheezy is not final afiak |
| 05:46.43 | _jacks | Blue1: it's using the sid repo |
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| 05:47.39 | LtL | calwig: cd1 is all you need or use netinstall |
| 05:47.46 | adh0c | Can anyone advise on how to get tilda to autostart at boot? |
| 05:47.57 | adh0c | Would I need to write an init script for it? |
| 05:48.07 | LtL | calwig: or torrent that is |
| 05:48.23 | _jacks | adh0c: man update-rc.d |
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| 05:48.41 | _jacks | adh0c: if it doesn't already have an init script, yes but there should be one on the net somewhere. |
| 05:48.56 | wsky | adh0c: tilda? that quake-like terminal emulator? putting it to your DE/WM autostart would suit it |
| 05:49.07 | Blue1 | sid is an unstable release |
| 05:49.12 | adh0c | update-rc.d tilda enable S |
| 05:49.14 | calwig | LtL, thx |
| 05:49.22 | adh0c | returns - update-rc.d: error: cannot find a LSB script for tilda |
| 05:49.24 | Blue1 | so yea |
| 05:49.28 | LtL | calwig: sure np |
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| 05:50.48 | adh0c | update-rc.d tilda defaults |
| 05:50.55 | adh0c | update-rc.d: error: unable to read /etc/init.d/tilda |
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| 05:51.14 | _jacks | adh0c: yes it will say that if you don't have an init script already in /etc/init.d |
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| 05:52.49 | _jacks | adh0c: if its a terminal emulator you don't want to start it that way anyway, like wsky said. |
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| 06:26.02 | Malsasa | Hello, lintian says: missing-dep-on-jarwrapper when checking my debian.deb from my JAR. How can I fix this? |
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| 06:55.58 | Malsasa | Hello, lintian says: missing-dep-on-jarwrapper when checking my debian.deb from my JAR. How can I fix this? |
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| 06:56.41 | MattLinux | Hello, Malsasa |
| 06:57.02 | Malsasa | MattLinux: yes, MattLinux... |
| 06:57.11 | MattLinux | just saying hi :) |
| 06:57.16 | MattLinux | need anything? |
| 06:57.45 | Malsasa | Yes, about lintian. |
| 06:58.01 | MattLinux | this missing you said missing-dep-on-jarwrapper |
| 06:58.14 | Malsasa | MattLinux: i am packaging my JAR into DEB. |
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| 06:58.29 | Malsasa | MattLinux: nah, how can I fix this? I am newbie... |
| 06:58.44 | Malsasa | clefebvre: wow, Clem comes here... |
| 07:00.29 | MattLinux | seem's to be a bug http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=614879 |
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| 07:09.38 | asciiker | hello |
| 07:10.22 | asciiker | I need to completely erase a remote server before I cancel it, but I only have remote SSH access. no console or live CD |
| 07:10.28 | asciiker | is this possible? |
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| 07:22.39 | jelly-home | asciiker: probably, but it depends on a number of things; presumably you just want to wipe the disk contents. You want to figure out a way to wipe them (ATA SECURITY ERASE, or dd), and to make sure the wiping is not interrupted (by, say, the kernel trying to read a page from disk that's already been wiped and crashing your ssh session or dd or whatever) |
| 07:23.20 | calwig | what is the max space approx. used up by a simple deb install on? |
| 07:23.30 | calwig | err -on |
| 07:23.34 | jelly-home | calwig: "simple?" |
| 07:24.04 | calwig | small in hdd size i mean |
| 07:24.33 | jelly-home | calwig: a fresh base system might take 500MB or so, but is not very useful |
| 07:24.52 | calwig | so 2Gb to 4Gb should be normal |
| 07:25.23 | calwig | normal size install |
| 07:25.43 | jelly-home | it depends on what services and apps you plan to use, how much data you plan to have, could be anywhere from 2 to 30GB |
| 07:26.31 | jelly-home | calwig: servers typically take less than workstations for OS, but can take a lot more for data |
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| 07:28.45 | calwig | jelly-home, with the 680MB CD i386 ISO there aint much else to install is there? |
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| 07:29.49 | jelly-home | calwig: if you have an internet connection at install time, you can install all sorts of "tasks" |
| 07:30.19 | jelly-home | calwig: is this going to be a server, a workstation with a graphic environment, or something else? |
| 07:31.17 | calwig | just a base ws. minimal graphic, for testing an email with encryption, like tails... except id like to compile it |
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| 07:33.23 | jelly-home | 4GB + however much mail you have, sounds reasonable for a start |
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| 07:34.10 | calwig | :) yep i think ill go with that |
| 07:34.31 | jelly-home | and 1GB for swap |
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| 07:58.37 | Malsasa | Hello, lintian gave me error message when building JAR: no-copyright-file but i have placed copyright file in pkg directory. Any advice? |
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| 08:01.34 | Rosha | emails from my mail server sent to spam box ! how can i sent them to gmail or yahoo inbox ? |
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| 08:05.28 | orflon | hello, could someone give me a hand with this? http://pastebin.com/hzh86f2W |
| 08:05.43 | orflon | why doesn't it perform any of the mentioned actions? |
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| 08:09.08 | AlexLikeRock | why can not open http://pastebin.com ? |
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| 08:11.17 | AlexLikeRock | i see the hosts and its empy |
| 08:11.20 | Nik05 | orflon what if you press n..? |
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| 08:11.35 | Nik05 | it will try to solve it |
| 08:11.46 | przemek | hello where can i find centos 5.9 minial version? |
| 08:11.54 | przemek | i see only 6.x minial versions |
| 08:12.11 | AlexLikeRock | google |
| 08:12.45 | Nik05 | przemek this is #debian |
| 08:12.46 | AlexLikeRock | przemek, google |
| 08:12.55 | nevyn | !ot |
| 08:12.55 | dpkg | #debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day. |
| 08:13.08 | przemek | :) |
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| 08:23.19 | orflon | Nik05, thank you |
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| 08:33.26 | haylo | with debian live, I have enabled the deprecated aes encryption boot parameter. It is looking to decrypt the "root filesystem" would this be the filesystem.squashfs in d-live ? |
| 08:33.34 | orflon | Any clue why this cmake https://github.com/antoche/openvibe/blob/master/cmake-modules/FindThirdPartyGTK.cmake , can't find the GTK+ ? Which is installed in /usr/include/gtk-2.0/gtk/gtk.h |
| 08:34.06 | haylo | or what would the "root filesystem" be in this instance.. |
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| 09:00.51 | hyppias | trying to scp a file from remote host A to remote host B, from a Putty on Win7 machine C, I get a "permission denied". I can ssh into both A and B from both A and B (via the Putty on C) with appropriate passwords. What can I do to make the scp work? |
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| 09:04.07 | haylo | I need some help understanding user-setup a bit better. there arent any man pages that i can find. Need it to preseed some password for my debian live user |
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| 09:12.10 | haylo | hyppias: ssh into machine A from machine C and then scp the file to machine B |
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| 09:12.30 | haylo | hyppias: or mount them all with sshfs, and you can just move the files around with your file manager |
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| 09:14.51 | haylo | I do this: mount machine A to "school_mount_directory" and machine "B" to "work_mount_directory" both onto machine "C" with sshfs fuse based filesystem |
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| 09:16.21 | yang | I have this Skype for Debian, and I seem to not be able to use the mic...I have libpulse0 package as defined on wiki and I have unmuted the microphone in alsamixer |
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| 09:19.55 | well_laid_lawn | iirc there was something to EXPORT when skype p;ayed up - can't remember exactly what though |
| 09:20.08 | well_laid_lawn | s/p;/pl/ |
| 09:21.22 | yang | ok so if i plugged the mic inside the micplug it seems to work, but i wanted to use it wouthout mic plugged in, just only speaker(mic |
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| 09:27.01 | hyppias | haylo: thnx |
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| 09:27.53 | haylo | hyppias: np, give a holler if you have trouble setting up sshfs, and/or maintaining a connection. I keep mine updates from crontab so they never close |
| 09:28.06 | haylo | but there is a probably a less sloppy way |
| 09:28.26 | hyppias | ok |
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| 09:32.19 | hyppias | haylo: hey whatdoyouknow: if I do it directly from machine A to B, not via Putty on C, it works. |
| 09:32.35 | hyppias | scf, I mean. |
| 09:33.08 | haylo | yeah, i figured it might. I have never scp 'd between 2 remote machines |
| 09:33.46 | hyppias | scf says it should be able... but maybe it's putty.. |
| 09:34.12 | haylo | also you can "ssh -f 'touch newfile'" for example, to run a command on the remote machine |
| 09:34.16 | babilen | scf? |
| 09:34.25 | hyppias | scp |
| 09:35.02 | babilen | thought so, yeah you can copy between remote machines. might just as well be a putty problem, but try it with another Debian box first. |
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| 09:39.04 | haylo | when I run something like "echo "live" | mkpasswd -s" and it generates some weird password, how do i use that ? |
| 09:39.21 | haylo | does it make a key or something .. ? |
| 09:39.44 | babilen | use it for what? |
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| 09:40.46 | haylo | well it is documented in /lib/live/config/0030-user-setup about half way down, as a way to change the default user password in live systems |
| 09:41.02 | haylo | thats part of live-config or live-config-doc I guess |
| 09:41.19 | haylo | right now though, i just am trying to figure out what it does |
| 09:41.23 | babilen | haylo: It just generates a password (and reads the salt from stdin) |
| 09:41.47 | haylo | i made a hook to change my live build root password. but i wonder if should be using this tool |
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| 09:42.06 | babilen | haylo: Or more precise: It encrypts the string with the given salt and calls the resulting string a password |
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| 09:42.22 | babilen | Nothing is changing passwords here |
| 09:42.37 | orflon | Any clue why this cmake https://github.com/antoche/openvibe/blob/master/cmake-modules/FindThirdPartyGTK.cmake , can't find the GTK+ ? Which is installed in /usr/include/gtk-2.0/gtk/gtk.h |
| 09:43.05 | babilen | orflon: try #cmake ? |
| 09:43.27 | orflon | ah ok sorry |
| 09:44.31 | haylo | babilen: ok thanks! : ) and hey if you ever get a chance to look at live build capabilities for changing default live password would be awesome to hear your expertise. no pressure tho ofc, just whenever |
| 09:44.37 | babilen | orflon: Or #openvibe as they presumably wrote that. Don't think that it is a Debian issue |
| 09:45.04 | orflon | okay, thank you and sorry |
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| 09:45.18 | babilen | haylo: If I do, I will let you know. but I have neither expertise nor much interest in live :) |
| 09:46.06 | haylo | ah, i know you guys arent interested. but i like it a lot. perhaps i should save my questions for these debootstrap installs that are also driving me nuts :) |
| 09:46.11 | haylo | debootstrap is fun |
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| 09:48.21 | haylo | im dying to find a guide that will show me how to encrypt a simple debootstrap install with aes-loop style encryption |
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| 09:50.18 | haylo | heres the simple debootstrap install guide i use if anyone is interested. not official debian docs though http://odkq.com/usbootstrap |
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| 09:51.17 | mifritscher1 | hi |
| 09:51.26 | mifritscher1 | got n problem with grub2 |
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| 09:52.03 | mifritscher1 | the system calls the /boot-device md3, but grub2 detect it as (md/2) |
| 09:52.14 | babilen | haylo: There is a #debian-live channel on irc.debian.org (aka irc.oftc.net) |
| 09:52.37 | mifritscher1 | the problem is that the usual tools (grub-install. update-grub and so an) do use the wrong notation |
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| 09:53.01 | mifritscher1 | i'm using gpt btw. |
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| 09:54.22 | haylo | babilen: yeah, its very formal though. I was hoping it might be ok to discuss it on freenode. |
| 09:54.35 | haylo | but will make sure too try and keep d-live stuff there |
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| 09:56.48 | Malsasa | Hello all, how can I make my DEB package installable in system and appear in menu? Is there any tutorial? |
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| 09:57.17 | haylo | its a great channel, but there are only 65 of us, and dba has to spend most of his time doing debugging. it has turned into a huge project |
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| 10:02.33 | _martin | is there a way that in every shell session when i log in export LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/usr/lib will be set? |
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| 10:06.31 | kcurtis | hi. when I log into Debian, after running `startx', I have to click C-c exactly 3 times for the window manager to start. this happens every time. any ideas on why? |
| 10:07.25 | haylo | _martin: add it to /etc/profile or .bashrc ofc depending on the shell you use |
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| 10:09.47 | _martin | thanks |
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| 10:10.15 | haylo | kcurtis: whats in your .xinitrc file ? |
| 10:11.34 | kcurtis | some `xinput' and `xset' calls, plus the line `. /etc/X11/Xsession' |
| 10:12.00 | haylo | ok , so you uninstalled some windows manager or something ? |
| 10:12.12 | kcurtis | haylo: I use awesome |
| 10:12.17 | haylo | usually people that use "starttx" make their own .xinitrc file |
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| 10:12.48 | haylo | back that up and try having only the line exec awesome |
| 10:12.56 | kcurtis | haylo: will do! |
| 10:13.02 | haylo | might be "exec awesome-session" |
| 10:13.10 | haylo | i havent used awesome for a while |
| 10:13.15 | kcurtis | haylo: I'll try both right now, thanks |
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| 10:15.46 | kcurtis | haylo: it changed nothing |
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| 10:16.49 | kcurtis | haylo: `awesome' is by the way the right thing, not `awseome-session'. Good thing is I discovered that the error message only shows up after 3 C-c's, so I think the .xinitrc file isn't run before that |
| 10:17.06 | jgiorgi__ | on a fresh install of debian lenny and xen if i boot into xen the video output appears to be all the init scripts over and over (moving too fast to read) and the server is not responding to pings, if it matters the server runs software raid1 and i had similar problems on squeeze |
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| 10:26.08 | haylo | jgiorgi__: Debian GNU/Linux 5.0 has been superseded by Debian GNU/Linux 6.0 ("squeeze"). Security updates have been discontinued as of February 6th, 2012 |
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| 10:26.42 | haylo | its pretty outdated, probably not going to get the support you need/want |
| 10:27.18 | haylo | even squeeze is about to be "old" , and lenny being the release before that.... |
| 10:27.24 | jgiorgi__ | haylo: i know that, i rolled back to lenny due to the problems with squeeze (i thought since it was working before it would work again) if you read the rest of the post i said the same problem happens on squeeze |
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| 10:27.53 | jgiorgi__ | i would assume if the same problem occurs on two versions it's probably the same problem with the same solution |
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| 10:29.24 | haylo | better to be trying to learn to use wheezy than going backwards. If you didnt get the problem sorted out for squeeze... no offense but you kind of slept through breakfast lunch AND dinner |
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| 10:30.46 | haylo | beleive me, i would love to have the functionality of the older versions. but it would be an unsupported disaster. Id only attempt it, perhaps to fork debian into an other distro |
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| 10:32.50 | jgiorgi__ | haylo: i went back to something i had gotten to work previously after 6 hours of irc and google turned up nothing useful, i understand your opinion and wanting everyone to use the latest and greatest but they call it the bleeding edge for a reason, it isnt for everyone and in production it's best to stick with stable |
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| 10:33.29 | jgiorgi__ | this convo is irrelevant anyway, i have a major problem that occurs in both versions |
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| 10:38.03 | haylo | its not my opinion. its just not supported. lenny is not stable, its deprecated |
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| 10:39.16 | haylo | in debian "old stable" is supported for one year after a "new stable" comes out. |
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| 10:42.16 | haylo | all support for lenny ended about 1 year ago, and support for squeeze is going to be shifted to old stable soon jgiorgi__ |
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| 10:51.07 | jubo2 | ar."shukran" == en."thanks" |
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| 10:55.08 | erjk | Hi. Recently my printer (Brother DCP-7030) stopped responding. It used to work alright on Brother drivers (http://welcome.solutions.brother.com/bsc/public_s/id/linux/en/download_prn.html#DCP-7030) before. The printer is listed on http://localhost:631/printers/, but every time I try to print something I get a message "Waiting for printer to become available.". I tried fixing it on myself, but with no success. |
| 10:55.17 | erjk | I am using wheezy amd64. |
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| 11:20.23 | erjk | Somebody here to give a hand with CUPS printer problem? |
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| 11:23.18 | babilen | hyppias: libapache2-mod-perl2 is installed and you ran "a2enmod perl" ? |
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| 11:38.04 | jubo2 | hallo. |
| 11:38.46 | jubo2 | Can I plz have instructions on how to make one keyboard QWERTY and another connected via USB plug be ИЦУКЕН ? |
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| 11:57.04 | ChrisH | erjk: usb or network connected? |
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| 12:00.28 | ChrisH | erjk: most times there are still some processes hanging around. assuming USB I recommend to. poweoff the printer, stop cups, kill all processes looking like printing related (ipp,lp,brother in name are good guesses), power on printer and check dmesg to have it detected. Then start cups. I fix my fathers USB connected Kyocera that way remote :) He needs to do he poweroff |
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| 12:10.09 | abcdefg_ | is there a channel for fai provisioning? |
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| 12:23.42 | mandla | Hi guys, im trying to copy a huge chunk of data from one disk to another with nohup mv and i get this error: /usr/bin/nohup: The parameter or environment lists are too long. |
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| 12:23.48 | mandla | How can i overcome that? |
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| 12:26.18 | tremon | mandla: specify less parameters |
| 12:27.31 | mandla | tremo, but i want to mv all contents. |
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| 12:28.10 | tremon | mandla: please type my name correctly, you just highlighted someone else |
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| 12:28.43 | tremon | why can't you move the parent directory? |
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| 12:29.25 | tremon | alternatively, use find instead of shell globbing |
| 12:29.29 | mandla | tremon, sorry about that. Let me try that, thanx man. |
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| 12:32.27 | mandla | tremon, mv: 0653-401 Cannot rename backups2 to /tmpbackup/copy_of_backups2/backups2: |
| 12:32.28 | mandla | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:32.37 | mandla | Thats what i get now. |
| 12:33.01 | tremon | are you in the directory you're trying to move (in your current or other shell), or is someone else using that dir? |
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| 12:38.43 | mandla | tremon, no but i am still copying some data to /tmpbackup/copy_of_backups3 |
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| 12:39.09 | mandla | Is this the reason for resource is busy warning? |
| 12:39.15 | Eryn_1983_FL | hey peeps i have this long standing annoyance.. |
| 12:39.30 | Nik05 | and that is? :P |
| 12:40.06 | tremon | mandla: only if you're copying from the dir you're now trying to move. You can use lsof (package lsof) to see what process is using a file or dir |
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| 12:40.56 | Eryn_1983_FL | i nuse multiple wifi's and my phone to tether in infrastructure mode. also i have some smb shares that mount auto on network connect for home use but they fail anywhere else. is there any solution for this hodpoge of network connectvity ? some way to determine what network i am on and not mount things or switch to infrastructure mode and connect to my phone other wise? |
| 12:41.22 | Eryn_1983_FL | i have seen the ifup folders in /etc/network |
| 12:41.36 | Eryn_1983_FL | is that the best it gets? me writing bash to make it work? |
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| 12:42.04 | mandla | tremon, no im copying from a different disk. |
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| 12:45.35 | mandla | tremon, thanks for your response man, i will find a way. |
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| 12:49.05 | tremon | mandla: you can still try the find alternative: find $sourcedir -maxdepth 1 -execdir mv -vn '{}' $destdir \; |
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| 12:49.54 | tremon | with an added nohup if you so wish |
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| 12:53.36 | mandla | tremon, find: 0652-017 -maxdepth is not a valid option.???? |
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| 12:54.49 | tremon | ?? it is according to http://manpages.debian.net/cgi-bin/man.cgi?query=find |
| 12:55.29 | tremon | you would need -mindepth 1 too, I see now |
| 12:55.43 | Eryn_1983_FL | wel i guess i will be workingon this today. |
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| 12:56.46 | mandla | nohup find $/data/REFA/backups2 -maxdepth 1 -mindepth 1 -execdir mv -vn '{}' $/tmpbackup/copy_of_backups2 \; |
| 12:56.53 | mandla | Something like that? |
| 12:57.08 | tremon | without the $ signs |
| 12:57.24 | mandla | ok |
| 12:57.44 | tremon | and I would do find $/data/REFA/backups2 -maxdepth 1 -mindepth 1 first, to see if it lists the correct sources files to be moved |
| 12:57.51 | tremon | without the $ sign (again) |
| 12:58.29 | tremon | mandla: also, for this to work, /tmpbackup/copy_of_backups2 needs to exist and be a directory |
| 12:58.40 | Roenie | how something that should be so simple can be so hidden/complicated - how do I persistently change the font that's used in X terminals? i found /etc/fonts/conf.avail but i'm not sure what do do with that, debian documentation fails, arch documentation almost covers it, am i even in the right place? |
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| 12:59.22 | Roenie | or should i be looking at .Xresources |
| 12:59.52 | tremon | Roenie: which X terminal? I don't think there is a single location where you can configure all of them |
| 13:00.02 | Roenie | xterm and i think ther eis |
| 13:00.05 | Roenie | there is* |
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| 13:01.05 | mandla | tremon, find: 0652-017 -maxdepth is not a valid option. |
| 13:01.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | yes... xresources can configure that... but I also don't think you will be able to do it for xterm, gnome-terminal and all the other terminals in one go |
| 13:01.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | Xresources can configure it for xterm* |
| 13:02.01 | Roenie | there is also /etc/X11/app-defaults |
| 13:02.03 | xauth | So much for standards. :-S |
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| 13:03.01 | xauth | configures xterm fonts in .Xdefaults. Or .Xresources. I forget, because it's been a while. |
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| 13:04.54 | tremon | mandla: well, that is a valid option for Debian's find. Either you made a typo or you are not using the default find from debian |
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| 13:05.59 | Roenie | xauth, could you maybe pastebin your .Xresources file? (should be in /home/username/ right? |
| 13:06.08 | Roenie | mine doesn't exist |
| 13:06.54 | xauth | Roenie: can do, but still it only works if your X session reads it. |
| 13:07.23 | xauth | What's the preferred pastebin thingy for this channel? |
| 13:07.42 | Roenie | i like http://paste.lisp.org |
| 13:07.56 | Roenie | not sure about the channel ;) |
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| 13:09.09 | xauth | Never mind, it's at http://www.zweije.nl/~vzweije/x-resources.txt |
| 13:09.40 | Roenie | dank :P |
| 13:10.11 | xauth | And, it was .Xdefaults apparently over here. |
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| 13:11.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | xauth, http://paste.debian.net |
| 13:11.53 | Roenie | something doesn't seem right - that file is so large it has to have been generated by something |
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| 13:12.07 | Roenie | so why don't i have it then |
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| 13:12.55 | Roenie | are you running wheezy? |
| 13:12.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | Roenie, why should you? |
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| 13:13.35 | xauth | Roenie: Large? It's only 8k, but it configures more than xterm only. |
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| 13:14.04 | Roenie | did you create it yourself / grab it off the web and edit it? |
| 13:14.25 | Roenie | it wasn't (partially) generated? |
| 13:14.30 | xauth | Roenie: created it, for the apps that needed it. |
| 13:14.36 | Roenie | ah ok |
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| 13:15.05 | xauth | Try xfontsel for finding fonts, if you need it. |
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| 13:21.02 | Roenie | whoops, check out https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/X_resources |
| 13:21.35 | Roenie | i'm not running a display manager or DE |
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| 13:27.00 | xauth | Roenie: ew, starting X through startx? Such people still exist? |
| 13:27.08 | xauth | ;-) |
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| 13:27.12 | KsM | I do that :( |
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| 13:27.52 | Roenie | especially during the first days of setting up the OS |
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| 13:27.54 | hyppias | inmods-available there is no perl.load, but I did install perl with apt-get. what is going wrong here? |
| 13:28.01 | Roenie | when xorg tends to break 10 times over |
| 13:28.15 | xauth | Roenie: you have a point there. |
| 13:28.54 | Roenie | heh your website, i saw that earlier too |
| 13:29.17 | Roenie | i had a look at the dutch mailing list |
| 13:29.34 | Roenie | decided not to join it because it was not very active |
| 13:29.58 | xauth | Roenie: you mean debian-l10n-dutch? |
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| 13:30.03 | Roenie | but for some reason i decided to check out your domain |
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| 13:30.58 | Roenie | debian-user-dutch@lists.debian.org |
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| 13:31.32 | xauth | prefers English. Larger reach. |
| 13:31.53 | Roenie | yup |
| 13:32.31 | xauth | thinks the non-English speaking Dutch have a serious problem here... |
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| 13:44.27 | lgp171188 | Hi, I have a newly purchased HP laptop that came with Windows 8 and UEFI boot enabled. I installed Debian wheezy on the GPT formatted hard drive. When I power on the computer, it automatically boots into Windows 8. To boot into Debian, I had to go to the boot choice menu and select internal hard disk and get grub2 to boot into Debian. To try enabling grub on uefi, I installed the grub-uefi-amd64 package. Mounted the ESP partition (/dev/sda7) at /boot/e |
| 13:44.31 | lgp171188 | and how to fix it? |
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| 13:44.58 | KsM | your line cut off |
| 13:45.07 | KsM | "Mounted the ESP partition (/dev/sda7) at /boot/e" |
| 13:46.04 | tremon | lgp171188: you need efibootmgr to change the default uefi boot choice, however that only runs in a uefi-booted environment |
| 13:46.49 | tremon | when you say "go into boot menu and select internal harddisk", I assume that choice is falling back to bios boot mode |
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| 13:48.28 | tremon | the correct solution is to put an efi shell (shellx64.efi) on the uefi system partition, and see if you can get your bios to boot the shell |
| 13:48.50 | tremon | the simplest solution is to locate the windows loader in the ESP, and overwrite it with grub's loader |
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| 13:49.24 | tremon | make sure you have a working rescue/boot disk before you try that though |
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| 13:56.25 | Spektral | i understand this is the chan for serious deb talk, which ill have at times, but would this be the chan to ask about some help with parsing sytem/user data with sed/awk/grep to format into a nice motd for logins? |
| 13:56.39 | Spektral | if not, would it be #debian-offtopic ? |
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| 13:58.42 | nkuttler | Spektral: just ask your real question and somebody will point you to a better place to ask if necessary |
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| 13:58.59 | Roenie | xauth, it finally worked |
| 13:59.48 | Roenie | i had to put a xterm*font: -blah line in .Xresources, and then do xrdb -merge .Xresources and restart xterm |
| 14:00.14 | Roenie | it only took me 3 hours |
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| 14:01.56 | lgp171188 | tremon: I was able to boot into debian uefi by manually selecting the uefi file and then run efibootmgr command to add debian to the list. But somehow silently it boots to Windows 8 again. |
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| 14:02.11 | lgp171188 | Not sure what I am missing here, but I suspect it could be something very trivial |
| 14:02.33 | Spektral | ty nkuttler, atm, i got a really stupid question, might be cuz ive been up for hella hrs without sleep, but i wrote this code for the bash for my motd, and it works fine for this output: http://pastebin.com/A7B6gMRj |
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| 14:02.53 | Spektral | and thats fine, but then i looked at the full `uptime` line im parsing: 13:49:52 up 1 day, 3:11, 2 users, load average: 0.04, 0.03, 0.01 |
| 14:02.58 | Spektral | and forgot |
| 14:03.01 | Spektral | whats the : |
| 14:03.07 | Spektral | 3:11, |
| 14:03.15 | Spektral | refering to? |
| 14:03.17 | Spektral | :X |
| 14:03.29 | Spektral | got uptime in time/day , then got users and loads |
| 14:03.41 | EasyAsPie | hi Spektral |
| 14:03.42 | Roenie | lgp171188, https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Beginners%27_Guide#For_UEFI_motherboards |
| 14:03.46 | EasyAsPie | how r u? |
| 14:03.46 | Spektral | forgot what the thing im leaving outta my parsing is refering to :x |
| 14:03.50 | Roenie | maybe it helps.. |
| 14:03.54 | Spektral | bad day |
| 14:04.01 | tremon | lgp171188: it really depends on the uefi implementation on your machine. In my case, once a new entry is added with uefibootmgr, I am able to set it as default (change the boot priority) in the bios. efibootmgr -o should work, but doesn't on my machine |
| 14:04.08 | Spektral | taking my mind off it by making a nice motd for my vps login |
| 14:04.09 | KsM | Spektral: the first part is the current time, then the uptime in days and hours:minues |
| 14:04.10 | Spektral | lol |
| 14:04.47 | Spektral | oh |
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| 14:04.53 | EasyAsPie | ? |
| 14:04.58 | EasyAsPie | whats wrong |
| 14:05.01 | EasyAsPie | can i help |
| 14:05.08 | Spektral | i was miss reading it, i thought the 1st set of time in hr:m:s was the time it was up |
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| 14:05.12 | Spektral | thats just the current time |
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| 14:05.15 | Spektral | then how many days |
| 14:05.22 | Spektral | then the uptime in h:m:s |
| 14:05.41 | Spektral | ic ic, so in that line my box has only been up for 3hrs 11mins |
| 14:06.00 | Spektral | and the 1st time block is just the current time on the box |
| 14:06.01 | Spektral | duur |
| 14:06.02 | Spektral | lol |
| 14:06.04 | EasyAsPie | ? |
| 14:06.07 | KsM | 1 day, 3 hours |
| 14:06.19 | Spektral | and 11 mins |
| 14:06.21 | Spektral | right? |
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| 14:06.36 | Spektral | in my paste i mean |
| 14:06.37 | KsM | yes |
| 14:06.43 | Spektral | ok so i gotta redo my awk |
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| 14:06.50 | Spektral | so it shows 1 day, time:time |
| 14:06.54 | Spektral | got it |
| 14:07.38 | EasyAsPie | ? |
| 14:07.40 | Spektral | also i noticed that when doing colors in this script \033 is teh same as \e right? |
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| 14:07.57 | Spektral | does the same thing atlesat heh |
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| 14:10.37 | Spektral | awesome |
| 14:10.38 | Spektral | uptime: 1 day, 3:29 |
| 14:10.39 | Spektral | users: 2 users |
| 14:10.39 | Spektral | load: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 |
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| 14:10.58 | Spektral | ty KsM |
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| 14:11.43 | grindax | hi all, does anyone know how to install the man pages for all utilities/packages already installed on a system? |
| 14:12.41 | grindax | packages I've installed manually have files inside /usr/share/man but not everything that was originally in the distro |
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| 14:16.47 | wndsa | how I can use aptitude to install dependencies of a package? |
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| 14:20.09 | erjk | Hi. Recently my printer (Brother DCP-7030) stopped responding. It used to work alright on Brother drivers (http://welcome.solutions.brother.com/bsc/public_s/id/linux/en/download_prn.html#DCP-7030) before. The printer is listed on http://localhost:631/printers/, but every time I try to print something I get a message "Waiting for printer to become available.". I tried fixing it on myself, but with no success. |
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| 14:26.02 | cosmepp | exit |
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| 14:28.05 | dvs | !exit |
| 14:28.06 | dpkg | /quit you fool! |
| 14:28.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | egress |
| 14:29.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | erjk, that sounds more like some hardware problem... defect printer cables could do that back in the times when printers were still connected to the parallel port |
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| 14:33.26 | neon__ | anyone runs with the bsd kernel? |
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| 14:33.51 | ompaul | !anyone |
| 14:33.51 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>. |
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| 14:34.37 | erjk | CutMeOwnThroat, I will check the cables (try the other ones), but I don't think it's the problem. |
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| 14:35.48 | subcritical | i want to know |
| 14:35.55 | subcritical | is there any app |
| 14:36.03 | ompaul | there are many - |
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| 14:36.06 | subcritical | like 3dsound in haiku? |
| 14:36.14 | subcritical | i love that app |
| 14:36.21 | ompaul | what is haiku |
| 14:36.29 | ompaul | i.e. what do you want this application to do |
| 14:36.42 | subcritical | to posiciontate sound y a virtual space |
| 14:36.48 | subcritical | an moving |
| 14:37.05 | subcritical | around the sounds in order to play with position |
| 14:37.11 | subcritical | was orgeous concept |
| 14:37.27 | subcritical | for be the best way to make sound |
| 14:37.35 | subcritical | was a concept very useful |
| 14:37.45 | subcritical | an that app was very kind to use |
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| 14:37.56 | subcritical | i need that app |
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| 14:38.21 | subcritical | or something that you can put a sound in the 3d space |
| 14:38.28 | subcritical | in real time |
| 14:38.32 | subcritical | like beos app |
| 14:38.43 | ompaul | well feel free to write it - because so far I have no clue what you mean, and you should write it all on one line not many, enter is not considered friendly by those trying to understand your thought - keep that up and I'll call you a troll |
| 14:38.48 | babilen | dpkg: tell subcritical -about enter |
| 14:38.51 | ArchRatio | So I still got this freezing issue, and connected with Putty. |
| 14:39.12 | ArchRatio | I purposely freezed my computer by logging into Skype (it always freezes when I do that), and I got this message: http://i.imgur.com/eLfAOKU.png |
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| 14:39.29 | subcritical | no, that aplication positionates the sound in the enviroment and you can alter the position in a true space |
| 14:39.33 | ArchRatio | I suppose that means the problem does not just lie with the GUI, but that rather the 'entire computer' freezes? |
| 14:39.44 | digdilem | subcritical, that technology has been used in fps games for over a decade |
| 14:39.45 | subcritical | lowering the volume and the direction of the sound |
| 14:39.46 | ompaul | ArchRatio: which is a windows machine from what I see |
| 14:39.58 | subcritical | if you don't know that app, is your problem, not mine |
| 14:40.06 | ArchRatio | Yes, I connected with my Debian computer with Putty on Windows. |
| 14:40.18 | ArchRatio | ompaul: Or 'connected'... Don't know the proper word. |
| 14:40.26 | babilen | ArchRatio: starting skype really shouldn't freeze the system -- you might want to provide more details about your Debian box (version, repositories, ...) along with information on how you installed skype. |
| 14:40.28 | wndsa | xuath, llutz: I have wpa_supplicant 1.0 which I installed by apt-get install before, I need to install wpa_supplicant 2.0 by manual. but I have been installing many dependencies and it does not finish. once someone told me to use aptitude .... wpa_supplicant then it installed the dependencies. I am trying to find out the command |
| 14:40.58 | neon__ | how to find out if the bsd kernel have drivers for my hardware? |
| 14:41.05 | subcritical | yes, the games got it |
| 14:41.13 | subcritical | but no application to deal with that |
| 14:41.30 | digdilem | there probably isn't much widespread need outside of games |
| 14:41.38 | babilen | dpkg: tell neon__ -about kfreebsd |
| 14:41.45 | babilen | neon__: Try the kfreebsd channel |
| 14:41.48 | subcritical | only you can use programation if you want to see that experience, but that simple app, is very useful |
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| 14:42.32 | subcritical | because the sound and the way you can alter it, yes we have apps |
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| 14:43.03 | babilen | subcritical: I don't quite see what your question has to do with Debian. I am not aware of any such software that is packaged for Debian, but let us know if you actually found it. We can then help you to get it running on Debian. And /please/ stop using enter in lieu of punctuation |
| 14:43.10 | subcritical | but to play the position in real time, with a lot of speakers, making a sound experience, there is nothing |
| 14:43.14 | subcritical | in linux |
| 14:43.30 | ArchRatio | babilen: Debian version is 7.0, not sure what you mean with repositories. Installed the package I got from http://www.skype.com/en/download-skype/skype-for-computer/ (Debian 7.0 (multi-arch) selected) with 'sudo dpkg -i [.deb file name of downloaded package]. |
| 14:43.57 | ArchRatio | babilen: Also, it freezes randomly with lots of large operations, such as make install, sudo apt-get install, etc.... |
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| 14:44.40 | invariant | subcritical, are you saying that the physical position of the speakers is taken into account into the application? |
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| 14:44.53 | ArchRatio | babilen: So I doubt the problem lies with how I installed Skype, also because I can 'start' it fine, just not log in. |
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| 14:45.05 | babilen | ArchRatio: shouldn't do that -- First see http://wiki.debian.org/skype for installation instructions for skype -- I would also recommend to check your hardware. It sounds as if you have buggy memory |
| 14:45.11 | invariant | subcritical, openal supports different sound sources in a 3D space. |
| 14:45.35 | subcritical | yes, i say how to move a sound in an enviromet |
| 14:45.57 | ArchRatio | babilen: I already did memtest, if you were talking about that. It said it found no errors. I am really confused. |
| 14:46.10 | invariant | subcritical, so, in the haiku application you input the physical location of the speakers? |
| 14:46.11 | subcritical | put the sound in a 3d space, and alter the volume and pitch etc |
| 14:46.18 | invariant | subcritical, because otherwise it can never work. |
| 14:46.35 | subcritical | but you can see the sound position |
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| 14:46.41 | invariant | subcritical, when talking about a virtual 3d space, openal can do that. |
| 14:46.42 | ompaul | ArchRatio: running things not natively on the debian box is not a test of debian |
| 14:46.43 | babilen | ArchRatio: Well, we can debug that later in detail. I would double-check your installations and also make sure that you have nothing "strange" on your system (e.g. outdated packages, things installed from third-party repositories, ...) |
| 14:46.51 | subcritical | that works, i saw ten years ago |
| 14:46.52 | subcritical | in beos |
| 14:47.04 | invariant | subcritical, it has nothing to do with haiku and likely haiku uses openal. |
| 14:47.07 | babilen | ArchRatio: For now, just follow the wiki on how to install skype and give that a try. |
| 14:47.21 | babilen | subcritical: Are you running Debian? |
| 14:47.43 | ArchRatio | babilen: I suppose I'd have to do sudo apt-get purge Skype first, yes? Not entirely familiar with uninstalling from CLI. |
| 14:48.01 | ompaul | babilen: wrt ArchRatio trying to run skype on debian from windows over putty - which is not a use case ime |
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| 14:48.18 | babilen | wtf?! |
| 14:48.23 | ompaul | babilen: as I said |
| 14:48.39 | babilen | anyway, /me is having lunch now -- doing that still shouldn't crash the Debian system. |
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| 14:48.45 | ArchRatio | ompaul: I did not run Skype over Putty from Windows. I simply used Windows to see if it was just the GUI not responding or 'the entire system'. |
| 14:48.58 | ompaul | babilen: it crashed his network connection on putt |
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| 14:48.59 | ArchRatio | ompaul: I ran Skype from my Debian computer. |
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| 14:49.29 | subcritical | invariant no, in this machine i use haiku, is a little machine to play with that os |
| 14:49.34 | ArchRatio | I also timed out in IRC when that happened, I noticed that when I got on an other computer to report what I found. |
| 14:49.36 | ompaul | ArchRatio: your description is not good - does the debian box reply to ping? |
| 14:49.49 | babilen | ArchRatio: Well, clean up your installation and give it another try. Also note that we cannot support skype, so please try to reproduce the crashes with a different software too. |
| 14:49.49 | ArchRatio | ompaul: It replied to ping before the crash, yes. |
| 14:49.53 | invariant | subcritical, I didn't ask you that. |
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| 14:50.04 | ompaul | ArchRatio: and aftger? |
| 14:50.10 | ArchRatio | ompaul: Didn't try that yet. |
| 14:50.21 | ompaul | ArchRatio: well let's test the host and see if it is up |
| 14:50.26 | babilen | ArchRatio: Also make sure that it is the computer that crashes and not "just" Xorg -- See http://wiki.debian.org/XStrikeForce/XserverDebugging for information on how to debug Xorg crashes |
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| 14:51.19 | subcritical | haiku must use other licence than a version of mozilla licence |
| 14:51.34 | ArchRatio | ompaul: Be right back, setting up Putty. |
| 14:51.36 | subcritical | but this is what you ask for? |
| 14:51.39 | UbuntuDeb | Hi. Can someone tell me if install Wheezy which is beta at the moment, than I should install the stabe when it's released or the updates fix this? |
| 14:52.04 | UbuntuDeb | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:53.12 | tremon | UbuntuDeb: depends on how you configure it. Both is possible |
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| 14:54.24 | cantoma | hey guys, I have debian squeeze and I am trying to install java. Towards this, I have downloaded the tar.gz from java.com. The reason why I did use the repository is because the version in there is java 6 and I need java 7. I have now unpack the tar file however both Chromium and Iceweasel do not show this java version in the plugins page. Is there a procedure for telling both web-browsers that a new version of java is no |
| 14:54.24 | cantoma | w installed? |
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| 14:54.47 | tremon | UbuntuDeb: to clarify, if you install wheezy right now and configure the system to use release "Wheezy", you will be using wheezy now (which is testing), and will still be using wheezy in four years time (when it will be oldstable) |
| 14:54.55 | dvs | ,v java-package |
| 14:54.56 | UbuntuDeb | tremon: So I don't have to reinstall the stabe , csak run an update? |
| 14:54.56 | judd | Package: java-package on i386 -- lenny/contrib: 0.42; sid/contrib: 0.50+nmu2; wheezy/contrib: 0.50+nmu2; experimental/contrib: 0.51~exp1 |
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| 14:55.06 | tremon | UbuntuDeb: yes |
| 14:55.46 | cantoma | dvs, mine is amd64 by the way and I am looking for java 7 |
| 14:55.48 | UbuntuDeb | tremon: Thanks |
| 14:55.52 | tremon | wonders what keyboard-shift will cause a word to appear as csak |
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| 14:56.13 | dvs | !tell cantoma about java package |
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| 14:56.59 | UbuntuDeb | csak means only in Hungarian |
| 14:57.00 | cantoma | dvs, is there any option without creating a java package? |
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| 14:57.08 | tremon | :) thx |
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| 14:57.40 | ArchRatio | ompaul: It seems like Windows has no 'aftger' command, mind, I only have access to one other machine with Windows. |
| 14:57.45 | dvs | cantoma: You can follow the instructions in the .tar package but I wouldn't recommend it |
| 14:58.03 | cantoma | dvs, i did but i didn't see any word "Done" as they state |
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| 14:59.02 | cantoma | dvs, i did tar zxvf jre-7u7-linux-x64.tar.gz both as normal user and as root. And nothing happen apart from folder decompression |
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| 14:59.50 | cantoma | dvs, now I have a folder with java on it. How do I tell my web-browsers about it? |
| 15:00.03 | dvs | cantoma: Dunno about that. I use the java package. |
| 15:00.11 | cantoma | ok |
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| 15:00.56 | cantoma | Does anyone knowns how to install JAVA in debian by following the instructions supplied by the tar file ?? |
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| 15:05.34 | xauth | cantoma: You probably need to set some JAVA or JAVA_HOME environment variable to point to your alternative java installation. |
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| 15:06.37 | xauth | seriously dislikes java. |
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| 15:09.38 | xauth | cantoma: giggling "oracale java7 debian" yields interesting results... |
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| 15:10.04 | dvs | giggling? |
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| 15:10.53 | tremon | ducksducksgoes |
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| 15:43.51 | matt8686 | Am I correct taht in some point down the line "net-tools" will not be part of the Debian as this functionality is replaced by "iproute2"? Any ideas when this will happen? |
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| 15:43.58 | matt8686 | *that |
| 15:44.56 | sc_ | so this is weird, `aplay -l' shows no sound cards, however `cat /proc/asound/cards' shows both my sound cards....? |
| 15:45.16 | tremon | given that iproute2 has been around for ten years and most tutorials still mention ifconfig instead of ip, I guesstimate 2038 |
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| 15:45.29 | tremon | matt8686: ^^ |
| 15:45.50 | matt8686 | tremo, ok :D |
| 15:46.29 | matt8686 | tremo, I thought that maybe there is some sort of roadmap or something regarding this. |
| 15:46.31 | tremon | sc_: if you have a ~/.asoundrc of /etc/asound.conf, move it out of the way and try again |
| 15:46.39 | tremon | matt8686: there's an 'n' in my nick |
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| 15:47.07 | matt8686 | sry, tremon :) |
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| 15:47.43 | tremon | I think net-tools will be around indefinitely, because of compatibilty with other unixen. Maybe it won't be installed by default, but that's as far as it might go |
| 15:50.34 | sc_ | tremon: thanks, no go, tried an `alsa force-reload' as root and still aplay -l doesn't show the sound cards |
| 15:50.37 | sc_ | so weird |
| 15:50.48 | sc_ | however, it does as root... |
| 15:50.52 | tremon | sc_: are you a member of the audio group? |
| 15:50.52 | sc_ | damn permissions |
| 15:50.55 | sc_ | haha |
| 15:50.59 | tremon | !tell sc_ about alsa checklist |
| 15:51.10 | sc_ | i had to readd my user to fuse this morning too |
| 15:51.16 | sc_ | tremon: no need to tell me about these things |
| 15:51.17 | sc_ | thanks |
| 15:51.21 | tremon | :) |
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| 15:54.06 | sc_ | i guess the more important discussion would be, why are all my groups wiped out from all users... |
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| 16:00.00 | abcdefg_ | When I install a package with apt - can I specify on which container this should happen? |
| 16:00.17 | abcdefg_ | I mean a LXC |
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| 16:12.25 | grindax | I tried reinstalling the package 'procps' but dpkg got stuck and encountered some problems. Now I can't use apt-get for anything until the dpkg problem is resolved. Here is what I'm getting: "insserv: Service mountkernfs has to be enabled to start service procps" |
| 16:13.15 | grindax | can anyone help? |
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| 16:15.34 | abcdefg_ | grindax: Don't know if this helps: http://translate.google.de/translate?hl=de&sl=de&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fforum.netcup.de%2Fadministration-eines-server-vserver%2Fvserver-server-kvm-server%2F3810-update-debian-squeeze-basierter-systeme-fehler-bei-procps%2F%3Fs%3D33bcc331885477d7fc264392105694b00deb59c8 |
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| 16:16.48 | tremon | grindax: if the procps install fails with that error, you should file a bug against it. install scripts shouldn't fail on external conditions, even as unlikely as mountkernfs being disabled |
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| 16:20.15 | grindax | thanks abcdefg and remon, I'm trying the workaround linked to, to see if it works. This is on a raspbmc system I just tried doing this on. I don't have enough technical understanding to log a bug report though... |
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| 16:22.30 | halc | hello, can someone tell me how to open phpmyadmin, i install all but now i dont know how to run this |
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| 16:25.30 | grindax | the workaround seems to have worked. thanks guys. |
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| 16:42.04 | abcdefg_ | What is the default filesystem debian would use (beside a lvm)? |
| 16:42.20 | abcdefg_ | I mean, when doing an advanced debian installation? |
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| 16:43.23 | Towzzer | ext3 for squeeze, ext4 for whezzy |
| 16:44.19 | abcdefg_ | so ext4 will be available in next version |
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| 16:44.56 | bool | why shouldnt the last line in a script that runs multiple programs contain & at the end? |
| 16:44.57 | babilen | its usable in squeeze too |
| 16:45.19 | babilen | bool: → #bash |
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| 16:51.12 | Towzzer | bool - what do you mean? |
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| 16:54.15 | abcdefg_ | babilen: why isn't it used then? |
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| 16:55.05 | Towzzer | debian isn't know for making changes like that quickly |
| 16:55.30 | abcdefg_ | is it unstable in debian? |
| 16:55.33 | Towzzer | no |
| 16:55.43 | Towzzer | I always change it |
| 16:56.48 | abcdefg_ | can one force this during an installation? |
| 16:57.02 | Towzzer | that it's selected by default? |
| 16:57.11 | drumr | is there a command i can use to see what the kernel headers are |
| 16:57.29 | Towzzer | a description of what they are? |
| 16:58.42 | qcjn | hi, i 'm using squeeze, via vmware. i've configured interfaces as static ip, and when i "service networking restart" it fail, no such interface ? http://qcjn.pastebin.ca/2314758 |
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| 16:59.18 | Towzzer | dmesg |grep 'eth1' |
| 16:59.53 | qcjn | nothing |
| 17:00.05 | Towzzer | that's not the name of the interface then |
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| 17:00.28 | Towzzer | /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules what's in there |
| 17:00.49 | qcjn | do i have to create the interface first ? |
| 17:00.58 | Towzzer | no, it should automatically detect them |
| 17:02.06 | zykotick9 | qcjn: does "ifconfig -a" show either a eth0 or eth1? if not, perhaps vmware isn't giving squeeze an appropriate ethernet hardware device to use? |
| 17:02.28 | qcjn | http://qcjn.pastebin.ca/2314759 |
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| 17:02.53 | Towzzer | qcjn, -net.rules |
| 17:02.58 | Towzzer | is the file I wanted the contents of |
| 17:03.25 | qcjn | ifconfig gives eth0 |
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| 17:03.56 | Towzzer | sed -i 's/eth1/eth0/g' /etc/network/interfaces && service networking restart |
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| 17:04.24 | qcjn | there is no net rules there |
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| 17:06.59 | qcjn | Towzzer: why did subs eth0 to eth 1 worked ? |
| 17:08.07 | Towzzer | subs? |
| 17:08.25 | qcjn | substitution, changing |
| 17:08.30 | Akuw | is there an script sample to protect desktop computer using iptables? |
| 17:08.41 | Towzzer | the network interface was called eth0 |
| 17:08.52 | Towzzer | they get assigned a name , it's associted with each card |
| 17:08.57 | Towzzer | if you have just one it's usually eth0 |
| 17:09.03 | qcjn | excuse me got to leave the computer for +/- 5 min |
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| 17:09.30 | Towzzer | akuw, do you have a router? |
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| 17:10.41 | Akuw | no |
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| 17:11.28 | Akuw | i am using this http://www.pastebin.ca/2314756 |
| 17:11.29 | Akuw | in script iptables |
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| 17:13.28 | Towzzer | I think this is a good single rule |
| 17:13.29 | Towzzer | iptables -A INPUT -p tcp -syn -j DROP |
| 17:13.32 | Towzzer | everything else can be accept |
| 17:13.46 | Towzzer | if it's a desktop you want to block all incoming |
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| 17:14.12 | ElGrotto | towzzer: unless it's a udp attack, or "ping of death" and you're succeptable to that.. :P |
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| 17:14.33 | tremon | Towzzer: please exclude the loopback interface in that |
| 17:14.43 | Akuw | when use iptables -P INPUT DROP then i can't connect to internet |
| 17:14.48 | Akuw | i don't know why |
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| 17:15.14 | tremon | Akuw: that's akin to disconnecting your telephone line because you don't want to be called |
| 17:15.21 | tremon | sure it works, but you can't call out either |
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| 17:15.32 | ElGrotto | akuw: then you need to also have iptables -A INPUT -m state --ctstate RELATED,ESTABLISHED -j ACCEPT |
| 17:15.47 | ElGrotto | else you can send but nobody can reply |
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| 17:17.08 | ElGrotto | right, is there an easy way to pass the line in straight thru to the speakers? I'm trying to chain-link two computer's sound cards to go to one set of speakers.. I'm in the sound settings and can see the line in sound level bar move, but it's not coming out -- beucase I think nothing is recording lol |
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| 17:19.05 | halc | hello can someone tell me why i dont have php my admin on adres localhost/phpmyadmin/ i install apache php5 and mysql. and i use this quide http://www.debianhelp.co.uk/phpmyadmin.htm but i dont have phpmyadmin. |
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| 17:21.02 | tremon | halc: you are aware that guide is for debian 3.1? which debian version are you using? |
| 17:21.52 | halc | 6.0.1 if i remember but i have the same guide on another website for ubuntu. |
| 17:22.32 | qcjn | Towzzer: but i thought that it would automatically add the eth1 interface. Sio if i wanted another interface |
| 17:22.39 | zykotick9 | halc: did you install phpmyadmin? |
| 17:22.50 | qcjn | i'd had to add it ? |
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| 17:23.17 | halc | yes i use this command apt-get install phpmyadmin on root |
| 17:23.46 | kristijonas | Hello, anyone uses xcfe? |
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| 17:29.11 | dennisvb | Hi, I want to install SMFL but I get this error: http://pastebin.com/6Gg72RRJ. I already tried sudo apt-get -f install. |
| 17:29.46 | blastwave | how to get a list of packages installed by aptitude/apt-get in cronological order? I need to remove packages installed by a HP printing software install attempt which failed because Debian 7.x is not supported. |
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| 17:30.20 | qcjn | can't connect to internet ? |
| 17:30.27 | zykotick9 | blastwave: you could check /var/log/apt/history.log |
| 17:30.37 | tremon | dennisvb: please paste both apt-cache policy and apt-cache policy libsfml-dev |
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| 17:31.18 | drumr | ok sorry i wanted to see if the rihght one was loaded after i installed kernel-devel |
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| 17:31.27 | Thuryn | what's the name of the debugging kernel package? |
| 17:31.30 | drumr | im trying to install vm tools and having an issue |
| 17:31.38 | Thuryn | debian 6.0.5 |
| 17:31.38 | dennisvb | tremon: apt-cache policy: http://pastebin.com/jEbCMVrw |
| 17:31.42 | tremon | ,v libjpeg-turbo8 |
| 17:31.44 | judd | No package named 'libjpeg-turbo8' was found in i386. |
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| 17:32.24 | dennisvb | tremon: apt-cache policy libsfml-dev http://pastebin.com/sw6u4D4L |
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| 17:32.36 | blastwave | zykotick9: excellent .. thank you. That provides everything there in that log. Never knew it existed. Awesome. So just to comfirm, the package remove process is apt-get remove packagename followed by apt-get purge packagename ? |
| 17:32.39 | dennisvb | tremon: This also happens when trying to install anything else. |
| 17:33.47 | tremon | dennisvb: apt-cache policy libjpeg-turbo8{,-dev}? Those packages are not from debian fafaict |
| 17:34.19 | tremon | dennisvb: you can also try aptitude -f install, it sometimes has better conflict resolution than apt-get |
| 17:34.28 | dennisvb | tremo: http://pastebin.com/2YVXvNR2 |
| 17:34.34 | tremon | +n |
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| 17:35.13 | blastwave | oops |
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| 17:37.20 | Thuryn | found kernel-patch-kdb |
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| 17:39.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | Thuryn, apt-cache search linux-image.*dbg (pick the one that fits your uname -a) |
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| 17:40.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm, or of course can do that in the command: apt-cache search "linux-image.*$(uname -r).*dbg" |
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| 17:40.28 | Thuryn | well, the closest one in that list is the "bigmem" kernel for i686. |
| 17:40.31 | Thuryn | i guess that'll work |
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| 17:40.47 | Thuryn | (this is an old Pentium III Coppermine system. "bigmem" is not really relevant. ;) |
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| 17:42.14 | tremon | Thuryn: as long as you |
| 17:42.34 | tremon | ...'re not addressing more than 4GB ram, the PAE extensions in the bigmem kernel have no effect |
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| 17:43.07 | Thuryn | "openvz" "vserver" and "xen" didn't seem appropriate. and yeah, I know the bigmem/hugemem stuff won't hurt anything. it's just not really the same as the one i'm having problems with. |
| 17:43.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | and I just started wondering what's as long as him |
| 17:43.21 | Thuryn | it's just a bit pedantic. but then, kernel debugging should be, eh? |
| 17:43.38 | Thuryn | CutMeOwnThroat, don't go there. ;) |
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| 17:44.53 | tremon | Thuryn: dpkg -la|grep linux-image should tell you what kernel package you're using now (well, have installed) |
| 17:46.18 | Thuryn | linux-image-2.6.32-5-686 |
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| 17:46.35 | Thuryn | so this should be fine: linux-image-2.6.32-5-686-bigmem-dbg |
| 17:47.01 | babilen | abcdefg_: You can use whatever you want - defaults are simply a preselection |
| 17:47.34 | tremon | Thuryn: that's curious. It is the best match, but I would have expected a linux-image-2.6.32-5-686-dbg to exist too |
| 17:48.00 | Thuryn | tremon, me too. but i'll get over it. ;) |
| 17:48.20 | tremon | ... if it works... |
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| 17:48.37 | Thuryn | its also probably NOT a coincidence that it started having lockup issues not long after i put some new hardware in it. |
| 17:48.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | judd, versions libjpeg-turbo8 |
| 17:48.52 | judd | No package named 'libjpeg-turbo8' was found in i386. |
| 17:48.55 | Thuryn | problem is, which device? |
| 17:49.08 | Thuryn | replacing any of them will be kind of a pain |
| 17:49.09 | tremon | the new one? |
| 17:49.23 | Thuryn | tremon, multiple new ones |
| 17:49.30 | tremon | ah... |
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| 17:50.26 | Thuryn | if the debugging kernel doesn't get me anywhere, i'm going to start with pulling out/disabling everything i don't use *now* |
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| 17:50.50 | Thuryn | then removing the PCI USB adapter. (built-in on mobo is only USB 1.1, but it's better than crashes) |
| 17:50.56 | Thuryn | then swapping NIC again. |
| 17:51.15 | Thuryn | after that, it's an old machine whose parts will go on eBay. ;) |
| 17:51.36 | tremon | grep your dmesg for missing firmware first |
| 17:51.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | Thuryn, lock-ups means the machine halts and you cannot ping/ssh in or it just freezes for a while? |
| 17:51.42 | qcjn | i ve changed ip_forward to one, in case that would be what's blocking, but no go ? |
| 17:51.54 | Thuryn | tremon, looked there for trouble first. no dice. |
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| 17:52.24 | Thuryn | CutMeOwnThroat, it seems to lock up in two stages. first falls off the network, but console responds to mouse movement. after (not long), can't log in at console either. |
| 17:52.38 | Thuryn | makes me suspect the NIC above all, but it would be nice to have proof. |
| 17:52.56 | Thuryn | all the spare NICs I have suck as much or more as the one that's in it (old e100 NIC) |
| 17:52.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | hmm |
| 17:53.15 | Thuryn | but proof would give me a good reason to go ahead and get something e1000 or igb capable |
| 17:53.35 | tremon | if it occurs, watch /proc/interrupts, see if something spikes (/me thinks interrupt storm) |
| 17:53.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | I would have suggested netconsole... but if network fails before other stuff... dunno |
| 17:53.48 | codekK | Hi all, i want to update my wheezy to sid, i change my source list, and do - sudo aptitude update && sudo aptitude full-upgrade && sudo upgrade, buy my system still on wheezy :S my source list are this: http://paste.debian.net/plain/235005 |
| 17:53.57 | Thuryn | tremon, something I could leave running on the console? |
| 17:54.06 | Thuryn | might show the spike as the last thing it does before it dies. |
| 17:54.18 | tremon | watch -n1 cat /proc/interrupts |
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| 17:54.27 | Thuryn | "IT WAS THE DUKES! IT WAS THE <expires>" |
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| 17:55.22 | Thuryn | ooo.... usb1, usb3, usb5, and eth1 all sharing INT 10 |
| 17:55.31 | Thuryn | that seems... bad. |
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| 17:55.51 | ompaul | codekK: as expected also now you have decided on sid No more messing about with upgrade is it dist-upgrade from this moment on in your life upgrade smart-upgrade and the rest of them are useless to you |
| 17:56.01 | ElGrotto | about 10 years ago it would have been lol :) |
| 17:56.03 | Thuryn | ooo... message installing teh debug kernel: W: Possible missing firmware /lib/firmware/e100/d102e_ucode.bin for module e100 |
| 17:56.27 | aguitel | what about amsn or pidgin when messenger become obsolete from microsoft in april? |
| 17:56.47 | ompaul | aww death of a protocol |
| 17:56.48 | zykotick9 | aguitel: don't cross post. |
| 17:56.51 | Thuryn | and this in dmesg (should have used 'grep -i'): [ 0.177237] pci 0000:00:11.0: Firmware left e100 interrupts enabled; disabling |
| 17:57.04 | ElGrotto | the new 3.x kernels don't come with their own firmware anymore .. you need to do what you were told when doing dist-upgrade :P |
| 17:57.08 | aguitel | zykotick9, what ? |
| 17:57.29 | Thuryn | votes for replacing the NIC, anyone? ;) |
| 17:57.31 | tremon | Thuryn: at least you have another red herring to chase :) |
| 17:57.34 | b2coutts | Hi #debian, right now I seem to be using a lot of memory (1.2GB), even though, when looking at top (and typing M), it only looks like it's using around 500MB. Are there other applications that could be using memory without showing up in top, and if so, how can I see them? |
| 17:57.35 | zykotick9 | aguitel: i see teh same message from you in #d and #ubuntu... why ask in two places at teh same time? |
| 17:57.45 | zykotick9 | s/teh/the/g |
| 17:57.48 | aguitel | why not? |
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| 17:58.13 | tremon | aguitel: microsoft killing their own protocol is not something we can do anything about |
| 17:58.18 | ElGrotto | Thuryn: install firmware-linux-free |
| 17:58.42 | ompaul | aguitel: because you are wasting peoples time - as I said aww death of a protocol |
| 17:58.55 | Thuryn | ElGrotto, already at the newest version :/ |
| 17:59.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | dpkg, tell b2coutts about free ram |
| 17:59.22 | ElGrotto | aguitel: www.skype.com - there is a linux version. |
| 17:59.53 | Thuryn | ah, but apt-get upgrade suggests an upgrade to the linux-image package. hrmm.... |
| 17:59.55 | ElGrotto | if you're runnign 32-bit linux it's easy, if you're running 64-bit then you have to faff about with the new multiarch stuff |
| 17:59.56 | aguitel | ElGrotto, skype is heavy |
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| 18:00.06 | b2coutts | CutMeOwnThroat: so as my "memory usage" climbs to 100%, I won't actually start swapping, this is just caching? |
| 18:00.09 | ElGrotto | I know but there's no compatible free clients |
| 18:00.19 | ElGrotto | only plugins that require yoiu to be running skype anyways |
| 18:00.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | b2coutts, depends on how you monitored/decided how much free memory you have... use the method from the factoid to see how much really is available |
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| 18:00.50 | ElGrotto | I was here discussing this exact thing a couple of weeks back lol |
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| 18:01.33 | codekK | ompaul, i do dist-upgrade too |
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| 18:01.38 | codekK | but dont take effect :S |
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| 18:01.48 | tremon | b2coutts: see the output of free |
| 18:02.03 | ElGrotto | however the FSF has had skype compatibility listed as "really needed" for quite some time; perhaps with MSN disappearing there will be more incentive for developers to do it now. |
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| 18:02.33 | ompaul | codekK: apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade (or aptitude if you prefer) is all you need |
| 18:02.44 | Thuryn | thx, btw, for helping with this. |
| 18:02.53 | Thuryn | already many good ideas. |
| 18:02.57 | tremon | b2coutts: the fields to watch are swap:used and -buffers:used. The others aren't that interesting, except one: if mem:free is a lot, you have too much ram in your machine |
| 18:03.09 | ompaul | codekK: by the time you get all the stuff typed you need typed you get tired - I can still type half the commands you can't ;-) |
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| 18:05.51 | EasyAsPie | hi |
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| 18:06.12 | w0rm-_x | EasyAsPie, hi |
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| 18:07.13 | EasyAsPie | howr u? |
| 18:07.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | there's such a thing as "too much ram"??? |
| 18:08.06 | EasyAsPie | yes |
| 18:08.28 | ElGrotto | if you have a 32-bit machine then too much ram is anything more than 4gb. |
| 18:08.45 | KsM | no |
| 18:08.48 | KsM | you can use PAE |
| 18:08.52 | ZekeS | aaaaaa |
| 18:08.54 | Thuryn | it just goes wasted |
| 18:09.03 | KsM | no, you can use PAE. |
| 18:09.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | .oO( "too much money" ) |
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| 18:09.13 | Thuryn | i mean without PAE |
| 18:09.30 | Thuryn | i've never heard of too much memory actually making something break |
| 18:09.38 | Thuryn | too much swap, yes. but memory? |
| 18:09.43 | ZekeS | These days you'd probably be better off moving to a 64-bit processor (mayhaps with the x32 abi depending on your use case) |
| 18:09.53 | ZekeS | instead of bumping a 32-bit past 4GB |
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| 18:10.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | Thuryn, possibly other people's heart (who have too little memory) |
| 18:10.15 | Thuryn | awh... so sad. |
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| 18:11.55 | Thuryn | there are so many people who have more stuff than i (and less stuff than i)... i can't get caught up in that. |
| 18:12.08 | Thuryn | though it does make me try to not waste what's mine |
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| 18:13.27 | Thuryn | apt-get upgrade successful. rebooting. let's see if things don't look a little better. |
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| 18:15.52 | Thuryn | hm. that doesn't bode well. |
| 18:16.08 | nutcase | Whats a good basic firewall setup for debian? |
| 18:16.43 | Thuryn | nutcase, drop everything except -s 127.0.0.1 and 'RELATED,ESTABLISHED' |
| 18:17.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | nutcase, having none at all and only running the services on the public interface that one wants public? |
| 18:17.42 | nutcase | that's what I usually do but I've liked having the stats that like cloudflare shows |
| 18:17.43 | nutcase | heh |
| 18:17.59 | Thuryn | brb... checking sick box |
| 18:18.15 | abcdefg_ | babilen: where can I set it up? I used advanced installation, but there was no option for ext4 |
| 18:18.22 | Thuryn | and as soon as i get up, it starts pinging. ha. |
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| 18:18.31 | codekK | ompaul, i do it |
| 18:18.35 | Thuryn | i think the display is confused... |
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| 18:18.43 | codekK | butafter do aptitude update and aptitude dist-upgrade |
| 18:18.49 | codekK | my system still on wheezy :S |
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| 18:20.56 | Thuryn | hm. so how would i know if the debug kernel is the one that booted? uname -a shows 'bigmem', but the linux-image package did get an upgrade... |
| 18:21.44 | babilen | abcdefg_: Sure there is. Just use manual partitioning or edit partitions after they have been set up. |
| 18:22.48 | qcjn | don't know what i'm missing ? vmware is on bridged, i've got an ip, the mac address is ok. i've put ip_forward to 1, but still can't ping the gateway ? |
| 18:22.49 | abcdefg_ | babilen: can I set those options up also in a kickstart / preseed file? |
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| 18:22.49 | ompaul | codekK: which is what is should be |
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| 18:24.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | qcjn, try other protocols than ping |
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| 18:24.36 | babilen | abcdefg_: Yeah, but I don't know that off the top of my head. You can preseed partitions though -- http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/apbs04.html.en#preseed-partman |
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| 18:24.52 | qcjn | CutMeOwnThroat: like netstat -r ? |
| 18:25.05 | Thuryn | hmmm |
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| 18:25.22 | Thuryn | "gnome-power-manager" seems like something i should shut down, |
| 18:25.28 | abcdefg_ | What means this: ' Preseeding of advanced partition setups using RAID, LVM and encryption is supported, but not with the full flexibility possible when partitioning during a non-preseeded install. ' |
| 18:25.39 | abcdefg_ | what is meant with 'full flexibility'? |
| 18:25.41 | Thuryn | power management stuff - especially on a desktop-class "server" - is notorious for creating trouble |
| 18:25.55 | abcdefg_ | So I would have to use pxe and a little preinst environment for advanced stuff |
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| 18:26.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | qcjn, like telnet to port 80 or whatever. I faintly remember setting up a VM and wondering why there was no net... there was, only pings didn't get through for some reason |
| 18:29.20 | qcjn | CutMeOwnThroat: i tried ssh to another computer on the network "no route to host " |
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| 18:30.07 | erob | qcjn: try traceroute |
| 18:30.19 | qcjn | ok |
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| 18:32.15 | Orbitrix | windows xp > debian |
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| 18:32.17 | Orbitrix | am i rite guys? |
| 18:32.20 | qcjn | http://qcjn.pastebin.ca/2314769 <== traceroute |
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| 18:32.43 | ElGrotto | oh dear we have a troll, please don't feed it :P |
| 18:33.26 | codekK | ompaul, i dont know after upgrade if i do lsb_release -a |
| 18:33.40 | codekK | Description:Debian GNU/Linux 7.0 (wheezy) |
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| 18:40.21 | ompaul | codekK: I run sid I have done for years |
| 18:40.43 | ompaul | there is not release just make sure you keep yourself updated |
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| 18:41.52 | codekK | ompaul, example i have installed a xfce4 4.8 with wheezy my principal reason to upgrade to sid is for a get a xfce 4.10. |
| 18:41.58 | codekK | and with the upgrade |
| 18:42.02 | codekK | xfce still on 4.8 |
| 18:42.02 | codekK | :S |
| 18:42.54 | Grizul | codekK: XFCE 4.10 is only available in experimental. |
| 18:43.23 | ompaul | !experimental |
| 18:43.23 | dpkg | experimental is the bleeding edge of Debian Development. Packages here have been deemed unfit/DANGEROUS/untrustworthy/etc for release by the maintainer responsible for them. DO NOT INSTALL PACKAGES FROM EXPERIMENTAL WITHOUT KNOWING EXACTLY WHY AND WHAT YOU ARE DOING. #debian does _not_ support experimental. For an actual description, see section 4.6.4.3 of the Developer's Reference. http://packages.debian.org/experimental/ |
| 18:44.06 | codekK | ouh |
| 18:44.07 | codekK | fail |
| 18:44.29 | Grizul | Not to mention that even if you decide to install the packages, the plugins are missing. |
| 18:44.36 | felixnsb | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:44.41 | felixnsb | §wx |
| 18:44.51 | ompaul | !partial upgrade |
| 18:44.56 | ompaul | !partial downupgrade |
| 18:44.58 | felixnsb | =$ÇÈ~ |
| 18:45.11 | codekK | Grizul, thanks :S |
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| 18:45.18 | ompaul | felixnsb: are you trying to communicate? |
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| 18:45.44 | ompaul | !partial downgrade |
| 18:45.44 | dpkg | This may or may not work for you, but if you've got nothing to lose then try it. (a) Change sources.list (b) aptitude update (c) aptitude and then search for the upgraded packages, hit enter on them, select the correct version (d) do the same for libc6 (e) search for broken packages by pressing "b" and then fix them in the same way (f) once you have no more broken packages, hit 'g' See <not available> |
| 18:46.07 | codekK | Grizul, How long does it take to be in sid? u know? |
| 18:46.09 | codekK | aprx. |
| 18:46.14 | ompaul | codekK: partial downgrades takes ages |
| 18:46.23 | ompaul | or fails and kills your box |
| 18:46.40 | ompaul | codekK: when the devs have enough of it inside experimental to be happy |
| 18:46.46 | Grizul | codekK: I would recommend to just wait until XFCE hits testing (or sid if that's what you are on). |
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| 18:46.58 | codekK | Ok thanks |
| 18:47.01 | codekK | But now i have a problem |
| 18:47.04 | ompaul | passes codekK a long piece of string |
| 18:47.06 | ompaul | you don't |
| 18:47.11 | codekK | i trying to upgrade to sid |
| 18:47.15 | codekK | and i think im not on sid :S |
| 18:47.19 | codekK | and some packages upgrade :S |
| 18:47.26 | codekK | (sorry for my bad english) |
| 18:47.42 | ompaul | codekK: apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade <<<< do that exactly that and at the end reboot |
| 18:47.52 | codekK | ompaul, i do it |
| 18:47.59 | codekK | and still on wheezy |
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| 18:48.45 | ompaul | codekK: the name will not change |
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| 18:48.54 | ompaul | codekK: until the next testing arrives |
| 18:48.57 | codekK | ah |
| 18:49.17 | codekK | and how i can check if im on sid correctly? |
| 18:49.19 | ompaul | codekK: paste the following please /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 18:49.29 | codekK | http://paste.debian.net/plain/235005 |
| 18:49.33 | ompaul | codekK: if you have done what I think you have done you have done so |
| 18:50.03 | ompaul | codekK: you really don't need to keep multimedia unless you are tracking something like vlc |
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| 18:50.46 | codekK | Are there no security repositories for sid? |
| 18:50.51 | ompaul | codekK: you should let debian manage everything it can (and use multimedia for codecs I suggest you do the following) put a # in front of multimedia |
| 18:50.52 | ompaul | there are no |
| 18:51.06 | codekK | ompaul, i have vlc |
| 18:51.13 | ompaul | codekK: is it not a release |
| 18:51.13 | codekK | this is the reason i have multimedia repos |
| 18:51.29 | codekK | hm ok i comment multimedia |
| 18:51.34 | ompaul | codekK: you only need it for codecs - the programs are in main also |
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| 18:51.51 | codekK | aham, and security repositories? what i use? wheezy repos? |
| 18:51.56 | ompaul | codekK: no |
| 18:51.59 | ompaul | there are none |
| 18:52.13 | codekK | aham |
| 18:52.13 | ompaul | !sid |
| 18:52.13 | dpkg | well, sid is the codename for <unstable>, named after the kid in Toy Story that breaks toys. The great thing about running sid is that, when it breaks you get to keep ALL the pieces!! |
| 18:52.34 | ompaul | codekK: I've been running it for years - |
| 18:53.09 | ompaul | apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade goes well but ... you don't move if you think half of your desktop is still being developed and make sure you install listbugs |
| 18:53.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | I see... that's why you give people a piece of your min^H^H^Hsid so often |
| 18:53.23 | ompaul | no - he was already there |
| 18:53.26 | codekK | then with debian main repositories, contrib and non-free its all i need? |
| 18:53.30 | ompaul | that's it |
| 18:53.50 | ompaul | CutMeOwnThroat: people shouldn't use sid unless they know what they are doing |
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| 18:54.03 | ompaul | CutMeOwnThroat: but most people don't know that ;-) |
| 18:54.09 | ompaul | goes to feed clan |
| 18:54.18 | Grizul | You can probably do without non-free, but that's another story... |
| 18:54.27 | codekK | ompaul, know a some tutorial or link in debian wiki to get my system clean? |
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| 18:54.58 | abcdefg_ | Alright, so I want to set up an apt cache server in order to do upgrades of a whole bunch of nodes without killing my internet connection. |
| 18:54.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | ompaul, you'Re saying mostly people don't know what they're doing when they use sid :) |
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| 18:55.17 | abcdefg_ | How does those nodes know about this cache server? Do I have to point them to it or do they autodiscover? |
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| 18:56.59 | zykotick9 | abcdefg_: /etc/apt/apt.conf is typically used on clients, to point to apt-cacher servers |
| 18:57.13 | ElGrotto | !7.0 |
| 18:57.13 | dpkg | The release following squeeze will be called "wheezy" (the rubber toy penguin with a red bow tie) and will be Debian 7.0. Wheezy was frozen on June 30, 2012. Ask me about <testing>, <freeze>. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianWheezy #debian-next on irc.debian.org. |
| 18:57.47 | abcdefg_ | zykotick9: alright |
| 18:57.52 | ElGrotto | !testing |
| 18:57.52 | dpkg | Testing is a continuously updated release between <stable> and <unstable>, currently codenamed <wheezy>. See http://wiki.debian.org/DebianTesting and ask me about <testing faq> <squeeze->wheezy> <testing security> <moving target> <dda> <apt-listchanges> <apt-listbugs> and <bts>. You should have a sound knowledge of Debian packaging and be prepared for a bumpy ride at times. Don't use it on things that are critical or on servers. |
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| 18:58.15 | abcdefg_ | zykotick9: when properly configured, does apt-get update also use the cache server? |
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| 18:58.43 | zykotick9 | abcdefg_: you mean locally? if you point it to the apt-cacher server - then yes. |
| 18:58.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | ElGrotto, if you're not deliberately sharing those with us, please do it like /msg dpkg testing |
| 18:59.09 | nvz | I am running wheezy 3.2.0-4-686-pae with a ext3 rootfs thats 455G and I had 300G free last night and it all disappeared I can't figure out how to get it back |
| 18:59.16 | ElGrotto | oh didn't realise you could do that, sorry and ty :) |
| 18:59.28 | abcdefg_ | zykotick9: so the whole apt stuff would run over the cacher, right? this is great |
| 19:00.04 | nvz | all I can gather is it says 426G in use in /home/nvz yet the combination of all other stuff inside there equals 120G |
| 19:00.05 | alegen | is it a bad idea to mix packages from different debian releases? as in, get stuff from experimental when running testing? |
| 19:00.15 | codekK | A silly question, is supposed to be better to use "aptitude" rather than "apt-get" because "aptitude" resolve dependencies. Is not it? |
| 19:00.28 | nvz | I've already ran e2fsck and e2freefrag |
| 19:01.10 | abcdefg_ | OK, another point |
| 19:01.22 | abcdefg_ | I would like to push an apt-cache to a remote node |
| 19:01.27 | nvz | my best guess as to what happened is avidemux process that hung for hours in the background may have been doing something but I can't SEE the 300G that is supposedly in use anywhere |
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| 19:01.35 | abcdefg_ | the point is that the system shouldn't use networking for apt at all |
| 19:01.56 | abcdefg_ | System A should do apt-get update, create a list from it and send it to system B |
| 19:02.08 | abcdefg_ | system B uses that list and tells what upgrades are available |
| 19:02.21 | abcdefg_ | System A again will download those upgrades and uploads them to System B |
| 19:02.27 | abcdefg_ | and finally System B installs |
| 19:02.34 | abcdefg_ | is there a package for this? |
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| 19:03.10 | nvz | abcdefg_: apt-cacher ? |
| 19:03.20 | abcdefg_ | nvz: yes |
| 19:03.37 | abcdefg_ | nvz: the point is that a remote system shouldn't do the apt stuff, but instead the updates are determined and upgrades are pushed to it |
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| 19:03.58 | zykotick9 | abcdefg_: apt-cacher isn't a push |
| 19:04.01 | nvz | idk what you're talking about.. apt-cacher keeps you from downloading stuff you already downloaded |
| 19:04.18 | abcdefg_ | yes |
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| 19:04.37 | abcdefg_ | but what if the remote system shouldn't pull but instead the cacher push the stuff to it |
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| 19:05.16 | abcdefg_ | I don't want that a webserver uses the normal internet connection for updating / upgrading. |
| 19:05.29 | abcdefg_ | I want to find out what apt packages are needed and push them to it via sftp |
| 19:05.34 | abcdefg_ | and the webserver uses them instead |
| 19:05.53 | codekK | Hi again, i have a problem with my graphic card. A few days ago i change my nvidia 9600 GSO for GT 640. And now the resolution is too bad and i cant change it. I have nouveau drivers installed |
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| 19:06.36 | abcdefg_ | is there also debian dev channel? |
| 19:06.39 | nvz | so nobody has any suggestions on how to solve the problem of 300G vanishing from my filesystem? |
| 19:06.55 | abcdefg_ | nvz: oh my god |
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| 19:08.00 | nvz | I was just sitting here last night.. had a filemanager open, said 300G free.. rhythmbox was playing some local mp3s.. I hadnt touched the machine in over an hour.. then a dialog comes up and says 0bytes free |
| 19:08.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | nvz, did you reboot in between? |
| 19:08.11 | alteregoa | hi, is there a way to test disk duplication with dd but without a destination disk? |
| 19:08.32 | nvz | CutMeOwnThroat: I just now went to single user to e2fsck and e2freefrag, and after that didnt do anyhting I rebooted and came here |
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| 19:09.02 | codekK | Hi again, i have a problem with my graphic card. A few days ago i change my nvidia 9600 GSO for GT 640. And now the resolution is too bad and i cant change it. I have nouveau drivers installed |
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| 19:09.11 | nvz | CutMeOwnThroat: last night when it happened I had two avidemux processes that must not have died when I killed em hours earlier |
| 19:09.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | nvz, ok. just wondered if it could be a deleted file that was still open by some process... guess that's out. perhaps time to run fsck on the disk, then? |
| 19:09.27 | well_laid_lawn | alteregoa: man dd says there is a nocreate option that won't create the output file |
| 19:09.32 | nvz | CutMeOwnThroat: fsck says the fs is clean |
| 19:09.32 | well_laid_lawn | check that |
| 19:09.54 | alteregoa | do the nocreate option check if a destination disk is available? |
| 19:10.00 | ElGrotto | were you running this stuff as root? usually 5% the disk space is reserved for root just so the 0% thing doesn't happen |
| 19:10.03 | nvz | CutMeOwnThroat: yet du shows 426G in use /home/nvz and all the total of everything in /home/nvz is only 120G |
| 19:11.11 | nvz | I'm missing 306G of what should be free space |
| 19:11.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | huh? |
| 19:11.51 | ElGrotto | try this: du -shx /* |
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| 19:11.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | du shows 426G... where does the 120G total come from? |
| 19:12.05 | alteregoa | nvz. fsck |
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| 19:12.23 | nvz | CutMeOwnThroat: from adding up the totals of all files and dirs manually |
| 19:12.48 | nvz | in other words it doesnt list a 306G file anywhere |
| 19:12.51 | nvz | or a dir containing one |
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| 19:13.03 | nvz | biggest dir inside /home/nvz/ is 89G |
| 19:13.04 | ElGrotto | oh in that case, fsck it :) |
| 19:13.16 | nvz | as I said, I did fsck it.. says its clean |
| 19:13.28 | ElGrotto | well then if it's not in /home it's somewhere |
| 19:13.38 | ElGrotto | wouldn't be in /home anyways as I said 5% is reserved space |
| 19:13.53 | ElGrotto | so it wouldn't let you have 0% free.. |
| 19:14.07 | nvz | its pretty much gotta be in /home.. du -h says 427G /home/nvz and it was likely a user process that did it.. |
| 19:14.17 | ElGrotto | best thing to do is du -shx /* and work out where it is, find the uber-huge directory and then du -shx /dir/* etc |
| 19:14.19 | nvz | avidemux was apparently hung in the background for hours doing who knows what |
| 19:14.53 | ElGrotto | oh hmm then it's a file in /home/nvz itself? |
| 19:15.00 | nvz | you'd think so |
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| 19:15.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | nvz, you couldn't have omitted dot-files when you summed up all files? |
| 19:15.24 | nvz | but considering I lost 306G in an hour or so not touching the machine it sould be easy to spot |
| 19:15.42 | nvz | I used that disk usage analyzer too.. to see it more graphically.. |
| 19:15.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | gdmap? |
| 19:16.00 | nvz | there are two dirs where most my stuff is.. Videos and Music.. they total 120GB.. |
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| 19:16.23 | nvz | the root dir has to show a total of 300G or so for it to contain that data.. |
| 19:16.30 | nvz | only dir showing that is /home/nvz |
| 19:16.52 | alteregoa | is it possible to make a disk image and pack it with a pipeline using rar or something with dd? |
| 19:17.01 | nvz | nd there is def nothing in /home/nvz over 1mb |
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| 19:17.33 | codekK | Hi again, i have a problem with my graphic card. A few days ago i change my nvidia 9600 GSO for GT 640. And now the resolution is too bad and i cant change it. I have nouveau drivers installed. |
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| 19:17.48 | codekK | Now i see, if i try Xorg -configure i get this output: http://paste.debian.net/plain/235029 |
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| 19:18.27 | ompaul | codekK: first step have you tried it without an xorg? |
| 19:18.54 | ElGrotto | find /home/nvz -type f -exec du -h "{}" \; | sort -hr | less |
| 19:19.18 | ElGrotto | that will include . files but might take a while to run |
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| 19:19.51 | ElGrotto | might wanna add -xdev to find if you have mountpoints under your home dir |
| 19:19.55 | ompaul | CutMeOwnThroat: mostly people don't know when they are changing into sid what it is they are doing, then they work it out ;-) but the semantics of my pseudo grammar are up for discussion any time you want in #debian-offtopic until I say meh at which point you win the stereo toothbrush ;-) |
| 19:19.56 | tremon | nvz: use du -a to show files instead of only dirs. My favourite is du -ah | sort -h |
| 19:20.02 | codekK | ompaul, stopping my xserver? |
| 19:20.11 | codekK | ompaul, i dont understand u :S |
| 19:20.23 | codekK | i stop my session manager (slim) and try Xorg -configure |
| 19:20.25 | ompaul | codekK: what is your native langauge? |
| 19:20.29 | codekK | spanish |
| 19:20.33 | ompaul | !es |
| 19:20.33 | dpkg | Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat. |
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| 19:20.41 | codekK | ompaul, thanks i try it |
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| 19:20.49 | codekK | but in spanish channel no ppl can help me |
| 19:20.50 | ompaul | codekK: if you can't follow the instruction perhaps that would be useful, I will try one more time |
| 19:20.53 | wjtaylor | How can I find out why mdadm failed my drive? |
| 19:21.40 | ompaul | codekK: do this mv xorg.conf original-xorg.conf and then restart your X see how it behaves |
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| 19:22.21 | nvz | ElGrotto: aha.. 306G /home/nvz/.xsession-errors |
| 19:22.46 | ElGrotto | nvz: glad I could be of help |
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| 19:22.52 | codekK | ompaul, oh i tried it some times, same result, bad resolution i cant change my resolution more than 1280x1024, and my native resolution is 1980x1024 |
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| 19:23.24 | nvz | ElGrotto: yeah well I got major problems if my .xsession-errors is 306G |
| 19:23.37 | zykotick9 | codekK: still haven't found a solution :( best of luck! |
| 19:23.40 | FenrirReturns | wjtaylor: Can you be more specific? Did you try dmesg? |
| 19:24.13 | FenrirReturns | wjtaylor: or /var/log/messages? |
| 19:24.26 | codekK | zykotick9, yes still with same problem, thanks u |
| 19:24.49 | codekK | after i changes the graphic card it runs well but now :( |
| 19:24.56 | wjtaylor | FenrirReturns: I checked /var/log/messages... didn't see anything (that I recognized) |
| 19:24.59 | nvz | seems like rhythmbox was spewing errors about pulseaudio not running (dont think its installed) |
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| 19:25.53 | ompaul | codekK: that card looks too new to be supported in noveau |
| 19:26.09 | ompaul | can't swear to it but it looks like that without me digging |
| 19:26.11 | ElGrotto | nvz: maybe I'm a perfectionist but to me there's a fault with software that can't stop spewing the same crud over and over again; might want to file bugs with xorg (who owns/generates the log) and rhythmbox (that's spewing without realising) |
| 19:26.39 | zykotick9 | ompaul: judd does say supported by nouveau, for codekK pciid |
| 19:26.50 | ompaul | zykotick9: thanks |
| 19:26.50 | codekK | ompaul, yesterday i was looking for support, and if I remember correctly was compatible |
| 19:26.56 | wjtaylor | FenrirReturns: I didn't see anything in dmsg either... |
| 19:26.57 | FenrirReturns | wjtaylor: smartctl may give you some info |
| 19:27.09 | FenrirReturns | wjtaylor: If its throwing SMART messages of course |
| 19:27.11 | ElGrotto | xorg should be controlling how much crud gets written to disk to prevent naughty apps killing disk with a hidden file, and naughty apps need fixing :) |
| 19:27.13 | tremon | .xsession-errors isn't owned by the xserver, it's generated by the session manager (i.e. gnome-session, kde-session or the like) |
| 19:27.30 | nvz | ElGrotto: well right now I'm trying to figure out the best way for it to tell me which lines are reoccuring the most.. tried sort -un but not sure if thats gonna just output one unique error and how many times it occurs or not |
| 19:27.35 | ElGrotto | then I stand corrected about xorg :) |
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| 19:27.48 | nvz | ElGrotto: obviously just deleting the file isnt going to help.. I need to stop the problem |
| 19:28.07 | tremon | nvz: uniq -c |
| 19:28.39 | nvz | tremon: ty ;) |
| 19:28.47 | codekK | sec i go to restart my X |
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| 19:30.09 | nvz | majority of the errors seem to be about "MS ADPCM" whatever that is |
| 19:30.22 | tremon | using wine? |
| 19:30.28 | ompaul | codekoala: does your machine have a second video card? |
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| 19:30.44 | nvz | tremon: I have crossover installed but havent been using it |
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| 19:31.07 | nvz | I got over half a million errors about that MS ADPCM though |
| 19:31.09 | tremon | msadpcm is microsoft's legacy (pre-vista) audio framework |
| 19:31.29 | tremon | maybe it's also a codec, or something quite different... |
| 19:31.52 | ElGrotto | surprise surprise, almost all of my errors in .xsession-errors are caused by that piece of crudware that is the bane of my life, gnome-shell :P |
| 19:32.00 | nvz | ah.. well that could be.. I was running avidemux and vlc on here a lot |
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| 19:32.22 | codekK | now i dont have xorg.conf but i have the same problem |
| 19:32.23 | nvz | I'm using mate desktop |
| 19:32.24 | codekK | someone can help me? want see the Xorg.0.log? |
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| 19:33.18 | ompaul | codekK: paste it don't ask for help state problems |
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| 19:33.32 | ompaul | codekK: paste it, don't ask for help, state problems |
| 19:33.51 | nvz | idk but its a bit crazy my .xsession-errors file consumed 306G of freespace in an hour or so time last night.. I'm thinking it was in fact avidemux.. thats probably what it was doing in the background the whole time.. spewing errors about trying to transcode the audio |
| 19:34.40 | ksuhku | LOL |
| 19:34.41 | codekK | Xorg.0.log > http://paste.debian.net/plain/235031 |
| 19:34.42 | ElGrotto | nvz: that's why I urge you to file bugs with rhythmbox if it's the thing putting the errors there, and whoever 'owns' your xsession-errors file for your desktop env |
| 19:34.52 | codekK | i have too a Xorg.0.log.old and Xorg.1.log |
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| 19:35.09 | ElGrotto | otherwise you won't be the last person to have the same thing happen |
| 19:35.12 | tremon | codekK: look at the timestamps, paste the most recent |
| 19:35.31 | nvz | ElGrotto: well the rhythmbox errors were at the bottom of the file but the ones that seem to be showin millions of reoccurances are about MS ADPCM |
| 19:35.51 | ElGrotto | then whichever put those MSADPCM errors there |
| 19:36.05 | Thuryn | ugh. box already crashed |
| 19:36.11 | nvz | would have to be something processing a MS codec or running wine as tremon said |
| 19:36.14 | ompaul | codekK: do you have a second card on that machine - in the bios perhaps - make sure it is disabled |
| 19:36.25 | ompaul | codekK: I have to be away for a bit |
| 19:36.27 | nvz | which I would think is likely avidemux since its been misbehaving |
| 19:36.28 | Thuryn | need to go have a look at the console |
| 19:36.41 | codekK | the most recent is Xorg.0.log |
| 19:36.49 | alegen | is it a bad idea to mix packages from different debian releases? as in, get stuff from experimental when running testing? |
| 19:36.52 | Thuryn | arp -an |
| 19:37.00 | codekK | ompaul, i dont have other card |
| 19:37.04 | codekK | because my motherboard dont have |
| 19:37.30 | codekK | i think its because this remembering my old graph |
| 19:37.31 | ZekeS | alegen: if you have to ask you probably shouldn't ;) (also dependency versions would be an obvious issue) |
| 19:37.34 | Thuryn | doesnt even respond to arp |
| 19:38.07 | alegen | ZekeS: so if i want xfce 4.10 i should probably get it from source then? |
| 19:38.28 | tremon | codekK: that card is very new, you probably need nvidia's blob |
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| 19:38.32 | ZekeS | alegen: someone was already asking about xfce 4.10 - apparently not all the modules for it are even in debian's repos |
| 19:38.36 | nvz | oh well.. its quicker to parse a new smaller file.. I got a handle on it now.. thanks |
| 19:38.42 | ZekeS | Probably best to wait for it to hit sid/testing |
| 19:38.52 | ZekeS | ... it might have been you :P |
| 19:39.14 | alegen | ZekeS: hmm, don`t think so.. but thanks for the responses :P |
| 19:39.14 | codekK | trebaum, judd does say supported by nouveau |
| 19:39.38 | ZekeS | If you're confident in your source-building abilities have at it |
| 19:39.57 | ZekeS | but Debian isn't exactly known for quick version bumping (which isn't a bad thing :p) |
| 19:41.23 | tremon | codekK: try #nouveau (if it exists) or #dri then. IIRC, some cards required you to extract the card's firmware manually. Also keep in mind that wheezy was frozen in july 2012, so any driver released after that time isn't in debian yet |
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| 19:58.47 | codeKk | Hi again... Now i uninstall vesa and the x dont start..i want to use nouveau |
| 19:58.51 | codeKk | How i can do it |
| 20:00.11 | pc_magas | codeKk, do you want hardware acceleration try compiling the latest kernel with the latest nouveau driver |
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| 20:01.22 | pc_magas | or try propiatery via jockey |
| 20:01.30 | pc_magas | propriatery* |
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| 20:03.18 | alfplayer | proprietary :) |
| 20:03.20 | codeKk | pc_magas: I try install nvidia drivers from nvidia web pague but During installation i get error |
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| 20:03.40 | pc_magas | codeKk, try via jockey |
| 20:04.07 | codeKk | What its vía jockey? Some link? |
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| 20:04.50 | zykotick9 | pc_magas: does jocky exist in debian? |
| 20:05.05 | pc_magas | jockey* |
| 20:05.22 | pc_magas | codeKk is a program that install propriatery drivers |
| 20:05.25 | zykotick9 | sorry, does jockey exist in debian? |
| 20:06.29 | pc_magas | zykotick9, I do not know if in Debian exists but at ubuntu surely exist |
| 20:06.57 | codeKk | I search jockey on repos and it doesnt exist |
| 20:06.58 | zykotick9 | codeKk: i'd strongly recommend against using nvidia.com's driver. using the debian method would be a lot better. |
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| 20:07.24 | zykotick9 | pc_magas: keep ubuntu support in #ubuntu ;) |
| 20:07.36 | ksuhku | exactly |
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| 20:07.47 | pc_magas | I thought that existed at debian too |
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| 20:09.49 | codeKk | Im going to install debian method nvidia drivers |
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| 20:10.55 | zykotick9 | codeKk: do you know which version of the nvidia driver supports your card? you should probably verify that before starting. |
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| 20:15.11 | codeKk | zykotick9: rev. 310 i tiñe |
| 20:15.14 | codeKk | Think |
| 20:16.11 | mirco | Hi hi |
| 20:16.18 | zykotick9 | codeKk: :( 310 is in experimental |
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| 20:17.23 | dnao | does irc.debian.org have a webchat interface? |
| 20:17.25 | codeKk | Wtf |
| 20:17.37 | codeKk | zykotick9: Fucking nvidia |
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| 20:18.43 | lanoxx | Hi, I am looking help to update tilda to a new version in debian, the current version is 0.9.6 and is from 2009, today I have just released version 1.1.0 which compared to 0.9.6 contains a lot of useful improvements. |
| 20:19.13 | justmeh | you make tilda? sweet work |
| 20:19.21 | lanoxx | I have no experience in packaging, but for a skilled packager it should only be a matter of a few minutes to create a deb file from the source |
| 20:19.33 | zykotick9 | codeKk: ya, how dare they put out driver for gnu/linux and BSD for years - those bastards </sarcasm> it is too bad they don't use opensource, but drivers are nice to have... |
| 20:19.38 | lanoxx | justmeh, I have picked up the source, ported it to GTK+3 and added a lot of bug fixes and new features |
| 20:19.50 | codeKk | Lolo |
| 20:19.53 | codeKk | Lol |
| 20:19.55 | justmeh | !packaging |
| 20:19.55 | dpkg | See http://mentors.debian.net/intro-maintainers for information on how to package for Debian. Also ask me about <nmg> <package basics> <policy> <mentors> and <best practices>. |
| 20:19.56 | codeKk | zykotick9: |
| 20:20.10 | codeKk | I have done a installation of drvierrs |
| 20:20.13 | codeKk | With wiki |
| 20:20.13 | justmeh | I would also make a github or something to go with it |
| 20:20.23 | mirco | Didn't knew about it, looks great. THX |
| 20:20.25 | codeKk | And now x run :o |
| 20:20.40 | codeKk | And i have better resolution |
| 20:20.52 | codeKk | Very better |
| 20:21.07 | codeKk | Niiice |
| 20:21.07 | lanoxx | justmeh, code is at github.com/lanoxx/tilda |
| 20:21.27 | justmeh | good good, then i would follow up with the above link @ mentors |
| 20:22.16 | codeKk | zykotick9: And my system recognizes my screen |
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| 20:22.31 | lanoxx | justmeh, is it absolutely required that I learn hot to package the source and upload it to debian, or is is also possible to find some debian maintainer who can do that for me? |
| 20:22.32 | zykotick9 | codeKk: glad you got it working |
| 20:23.03 | codeKk | But nvidia drivers is 304 and in webpage its 310 |
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| 20:23.08 | codeKk | Its a problem? |
| 20:23.10 | lanoxx | justmeh, i looked at that guide a few month ago already and then got lost somewhere at point 3 |
| 20:23.16 | justmeh | http://wiki.debian.org/DebianMentorsFaq#Sponsored_Packages |
| 20:23.17 | lanoxx | maybe 2 |
| 20:23.45 | zykotick9 | codeKk: if it's working - i wouldn't worry about it. it is possible to install 310 using the experimental repository, but it's probably more trouble then it's worth. |
| 20:23.56 | justmeh | I think your looking for a sponsor ;) |
| 20:24.29 | justmeh | I've not been through the process either, nor do i have much experience in compiling for multiple architectures, so i'm personally not much help |
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| 20:24.50 | justmeh | however, i know a LOT of ppl using tilda, so i'm sure updates and bugfixes would be very welcome in the community |
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| 20:25.07 | lanoxx | justmeh, thats what I am looking for, how do I find a sponsor? |
| 20:25.33 | justmeh | read the link |
| 20:25.34 | lanoxx | justmeh, really, thats good to know. Feel free to point them at the tilda source on my github account |
| 20:25.54 | justmeh | How do I get a sponsor for my package? <- |
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| 20:27.31 | justmeh | lanoxx, #debian-mentors |
| 20:27.41 | justmeh | * You have been kicked from #debian-mentors by ChanServ (Invite only channel) |
| 20:27.43 | tremon | that's on oftc |
| 20:27.55 | justmeh | ah |
| 20:28.17 | lanoxx | I will subscribe to the mailing list |
| 20:28.19 | lanoxx | and ask there |
| 20:28.20 | justmeh | well there you go lanoxx; go to the official debian irc, and join that chan and see where it takes ya ;) |
| 20:28.21 | justmeh | swt |
| 20:28.27 | justmeh | yeah get it out there y0 |
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| 21:05.25 | lf94_ | Hey, are there any wheezy netinst torrents or mirrors? |
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| 21:05.50 | Thuryn | server locked up again. Caps Lock and Scroll Lock lights on the keyboard are blinking together. |
| 21:05.51 | Thuryn | O_o |
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| 21:06.43 | KsM | Thuryn: that sounds like kernel panic |
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| 21:07.11 | Thuryn | KsM, yeah. i need to boot the thing in non-GUI mode AND with the debug kernel to try to catch the error on the console |
| 21:07.21 | lf94_ | The one link I've found to download it is insanely slow (<10kbps). |
| 21:07.34 | Thuryn | patience is a virtue :) |
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| 21:08.21 | mumpitzel | lf94_: which url have you found? |
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| 21:11.00 | Deep6 | guys is it possible to generate an ssh private/public keypair for username@domain as opposed to username@hostname ...or is the hostname even important or is all that just the equivalent of doing -c ? |
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| 21:14.10 | Towzzer | deep6, the comment has no effect on anything |
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| 21:18.54 | roknir | i have two physical SSDs (/dev/sda and /dev/sdb) out of which i created a RAID 0 (/dev/md0). i'm having problems getting grub installed though. which device should i be specifying if the only HDs i have in the system are those i've RAIDed? (i'm using the GUI installer too, btw.) |
| 21:19.23 | Deep6 | Towzzer: didn't expect so |
| 21:19.32 | Towzzer | I don't think you can boot off a raid 0 |
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| 21:19.50 | Towzzer | a linux raid right? |
| 21:19.55 | Deep6 | Towzzer: is there a way to generate a domain level key as opposed to a hostname key? |
| 21:20.17 | Towzzer | I don't know what those are |
| 21:20.18 | roknir | yes, it's just an mdadm RAID that i set up with the GUI installer options. |
| 21:20.18 | mumpitzel | Towzzer: not a linux software raid, no. only with fakeraid |
| 21:20.36 | Towzzer | roknir, you need to use your bios's raid if there are drivers for it |
| 21:20.45 | Towzzer | deep6- can you give me an example of what you are trying to do |
| 21:20.50 | mumpitzel | roknir: generally a SSD raid is a stupid idea |
| 21:21.15 | Towzzer | ssd's already have a high sequential read and write speed |
| 21:21.31 | Towzzer | sometimes even hitting the limits of the connecting interface |
| 21:21.54 | mumpitzel | roknir: what mobo? |
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| 21:21.58 | zykotick9 | mumpitzel: add fakeraid for extra madness ;) |
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| 21:23.26 | roknir | so it's not possible to do what i'm trying to do? |
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| 21:23.36 | Towzzer | probably not |
| 21:23.48 | roknir | mumpitzel: asus p8b-m |
| 21:23.51 | mumpitzel | roknir: it is. it's just a stupid idea. |
| 21:24.10 | mumpitzel | roknir: you use a separate /boot partition of 200MB or so which isn't in the RAID |
| 21:24.17 | Towzzer | on a single drive |
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| 21:25.15 | mumpitzel | roknir: can your RAID use trim? |
| 21:26.01 | roknir | so i create a separate partition for boot outside of the RAID0 and then i tell grub to install to the drive that has the /boot partition on it? |
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| 21:32.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm, I just sshd from a squeeze debian (LANG=C by default) into a wheezy one (LANG=en_US.UTF-8) and in manpages and everything I see non-ascii as question-marks-in-a-hexagon |
| 21:33.24 | dvs | CutMeOwnThroat: well, that's what I'd expect. |
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| 21:33.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh, so I do on the squeeze-box alone *sigh* |
| 21:33.48 | dvs | CutMeOwnThroat: yeah, you set the locale on the squeeze box |
| 21:33.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | but changing LANG=en_US.UTF-8 doesn't make a difference |
| 21:34.06 | dvs | CutMeOwnThroat: dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 21:34.13 | tremon | CutMeOwnThroat: it can also be because of your terminal font |
| 21:34.43 | dvs | tremo: with LANG=C? not likely. |
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| 21:34.58 | Deep6 | Towzzer: I just want to have a domain level key to copy as opposed to having my one workstation be in my key |
| 21:35.02 | Deep6 | I'm anal :) |
| 21:35.04 | tremo | ... |
| 21:35.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, locales have [*] en_US.UTF-8 UTF-8 |
| 21:35.21 | Deep6 | if i destroy this vm then I won't have an node03 |
| 21:35.23 | dvs | sorry |
| 21:35.28 | Deep6 | but I'll always have an @domain.com |
| 21:35.29 | dvs | tremon: with LANG=C? not likely. |
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| 21:36.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh |
| 21:36.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | doh |
| 21:36.51 | tremon | dvs: I'm not sure if the local LANG settings even apply once you open a remote session |
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| 21:37.05 | tremon | which is why I mentioned it |
| 21:37.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | dvs / tremon (kind of) neither... actually gnome-terminal has its own setting (which is probably set from LANG when you start the terminal)... |
| 21:38.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | thanks for pointing me to the couple of places one can check :) |
| 21:38.15 | tremon | rejoices as yet another place to configure locales appears |
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| 21:40.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | tremon, I found it when checking what font is used in the terminal :P |
| 21:40.28 | dvs | locales drive me loco |
| 21:40.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | hostnames in chinese... |
| 21:41.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | (or any other characters you're unable to type on your current kbd) |
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| 21:43.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | hmm... I now wonder if I should change the default locale for the system to "something.UTF-8" or if that gives me even more breakage than before |
| 21:44.13 | Thuryn | okay so suppose that i don't want gdm3, nfs-common, portmap, bluetooth, and a number of other things to start in Debian 6.0.5's default runlevel (2) |
| 21:44.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | guess will try, but not just yet |
| 21:44.31 | Thuryn | right now, those are al listed in /etc/rc2.d/S##FOO, of course |
| 21:44.58 | Thuryn | i could just remove those (or better, change them to K##FOO), but is there a common tool for this? |
| 21:45.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | Thuryn, unistall them or use update-rc.d to remove the symlinks |
| 21:45.06 | Thuryn | like RedHat's chkconfig? |
| 21:45.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | actually I generally feel uninstalling stuff you don't plan on ever using makes more sense |
| 21:45.34 | Thuryn | i can uninstall several of them, i think, but i'd like to keep gdm. |
| 21:45.42 | Thuryn | ...for that reason. ;) |
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| 21:46.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | Thuryn, update-rc.d is that tool in debian... but redhats chkconfig is also packaged in... package "chkconfig" |
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| 21:49.45 | Thuryn | oh my good god |
| 21:50.05 | Thuryn | apt-get purge bluez gnome-bluetooth libbluetooth3 libgnome-bluetooth7 |
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| 21:50.13 | Thuryn | result? it wants to uninstall ALL OF GNOME |
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| 21:51.35 | Thuryn | 'gedit' is my favorite. |
| 21:51.43 | Thuryn | no bluetooth? GEDIT IS NOW USELESS |
| 21:51.45 | tremon | gnome-core Depends gnome-bluetooth, gnome-bluetooth Depends bluez |
| 21:52.09 | Thuryn | so apparently, GNOME is wireless. |
| 21:52.12 | Thuryn | *sigh* |
| 21:52.24 | tremon | Thuryn: gnome pretends to be its own OS |
| 21:52.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | Thuryn, no, but that's the metapackage concept... |
| 21:52.41 | Thuryn | all the more reason to shut down X on this machine |
| 21:52.43 | tremon | it's not just a desktop shell |
| 21:52.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | dpkg, install gnome |
| 21:52.47 | dpkg | To install GNOME: «apt-get install …» 1. 'task-gnome-desktop' (Debian installer default) 2. 'gnome' (recommended) 3. 'gnome-desktop-environment' (upstream GNOME) 4. 'gnome-core' (like 3, minus end-user applications) 5. 'gnome-session gdm3 gnome-network-manager' (minimalist, not recommended). You will need Xorg installed as well, ask me about <install x>. http://wiki.debian.org/Gnome |
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| 21:54.43 | tremon | CutMeOwnThroat: not really, as gnome-session also Depends: gnome-shell |
| 21:55.02 | tremon | so it's not the metapackage that's bloated |
| 21:55.31 | tremon | anyway, I'll shut up now :) |
| 21:56.16 | overjoyedpulp | does anyone know whether debian unstable's packages are as new as fedora 18's generally? im debating between the two (i have experience with freebsd, fedora, ubuntu, linux mint, gentoo, arch, and opensuse) |
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| 21:56.45 | dvs | overjoyedpulp: usually, but not right now. |
| 21:57.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | tremon, on what version of debian did you look that up? |
| 21:57.28 | tremon | wheezy |
| 21:57.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | then things got worse |
| 21:57.48 | tremon | of course. that's the pain of progress :) |
| 21:57.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | aptitude why gnome-bluetooth |
| 21:57.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | i network-manager-gnome Recommends gnome-bluetooth |
| 21:58.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | actually... that also makes me wonder |
| 21:58.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, guess you *can* have net via bluetooth and it's only a recommend |
| 21:58.55 | tremon | CutMeOwnThroat: http://paste.debian.net/235068/ |
| 21:59.06 | Thuryn | i installed chkconfig (since i'm used to it) and shut off gdm, nfs*, portmap, bluetooth, and acpid |
| 21:59.14 | Thuryn | we'll see if it isn't any more stable now |
| 21:59.36 | Thuryn | probably not, since it's probably an issue with the e100 card. but at least i stand a chance of catching the kernel panic on the console. |
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| 21:59.59 | mumpitzel | Thuryn: isn't there non-free firmware for e100? |
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| 22:00.56 | Thuryn | mumpitzel, probably. but if the e100 is going to be that much trouble, i'm just going to go get a 1Gb NIC. |
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| 22:01.26 | mumpitzel | just a suggestion why it might make trouble |
| 22:01.29 | dvs | Thuryn: I'd get a 1Gbit card anyways. |
| 22:01.59 | Thuryn | dvs, i don't want to do that if the problem is the PCI USB 2.0 controller i added a little while ago |
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| 22:02.50 | dvs | 2.0? |
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| 22:02.56 | dvs | 's head spins |
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| 22:03.51 | Thuryn | dvs, it's a Pentium III machine. |
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| 22:03.59 | Thuryn | it doesn't have PCI express |
| 22:04.55 | dvs | gasps |
| 22:04.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | Thuryn, anyway, you can *always* do stuff like "apt-get install gedit". The metapackages just keep stuff together in a unit that is seen as belonging together (like "all of gnome") ... so when you try to remove one bit of such a unit, aptitude will try to remove all |
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| 22:06.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | Thuryn, doesn't mean you cannot have gedit without bluez, just means you cannot have "all of gnome" installed but remove one bit of it. I.e. when you remove one bit, you yourself have to pull all the bits back in that you want (possible via another metapackage, as you have seen in the factoid above, there are a few for gnome to suit different needs) |
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| 22:07.35 | Thuryn | well, it's an old machine, but it's hardly short on space. i'm fine with disabling it and leaving it there. it can't be more than a few MB. |
| 22:07.44 | Thuryn | it's not like i'm trying to optimize this for some Android device |
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| 22:08.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | I'm just saying: they're groupings that help you to add/remove stuff in bigger units than a single package. |
| 22:08.41 | Thuryn | saned disabled; edit /etc/default/saned. hm.. |
| 22:09.16 | Thuryn | CutMeOwnThroat, oh, i know. it's what makes it possible to install all of the things i need to compile shared libs without spending all day doing it. |
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| 22:09.30 | Thuryn | (or without having one giant package that creates several other problems...) |
| 22:09.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | yeah. |
| 22:09.47 | Shutdown | well guys, i have a Nvidia GeForce7200 video card, running with "nouveau" driver. But, when i try to use the "nv" driver, my Xorg does not work. Any idea on what it could be? |
| 22:09.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | it does often take people by surprise who deinstall one component of e.g. gnome, though |
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| 22:10.23 | Thuryn | and it DID give me the option to remove only the things i requested. i just dislike the idea of breaking things without a high(er) level of confidence that this is What I Really Really Want. |
| 22:10.47 | Thuryn | wow. pentium machine just crashed already. that was fast. |
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| 22:11.13 | zykotick9 | Shutdown: why do you want nv? |
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| 22:12.12 | Shutdown | zykotick9: i had the intention to change my video driver because i did not get success with installing compiz-fusion |
| 22:12.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | Shutdown, look at /var/log/Xorg.0.log for hints what fails ... |
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| 22:12.44 | zykotick9 | Shutdown: nv isn't going to help with that. nouveau or nvidia-propritary are the way to go. good luck. |
| 22:13.00 | mumpitzel | Shutdown: then nv will work even worse than nouveau |
| 22:13.02 | Shutdown | zykotick9: well, thank you |
| 22:13.21 | mumpitzel | Shutdown: nv has zero 3D acceleration. something that compiz need |
| 22:13.25 | Shutdown | mumpitzel: ok |
| 22:13.26 | mumpitzel | +s |
| 22:13.59 | Shutdown | mumpitzel: so i wold have to install proprietary nvidia driver? |
| 22:14.04 | mumpitzel | Shutdown: for a 7200, you will need some nvidia legacy drivers |
| 22:14.20 | Thuryn | looks like something to do with acpi, but the panic message scrolled off the top of the screen. suggestions for catching them? |
| 22:14.22 | mumpitzel | what was the error message with compiz and nouveau? |
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| 22:14.53 | Thuryn | there was also something there about inability to sync, which i thought might be related to the USB drive spinning down, so i moved it to the USB 1.1 port. |
| 22:16.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | Thuryn, shift-pgup? |
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| 22:16.10 | Thuryn | CutMeOwnThroat, neg. |
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| 22:16.30 | l0p3n | Hey, could someone please try to figure why I can't set the priority of a single package. I have posted the problem on http://pastebin.com/722Rh1eG |
| 22:16.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | the buffer is emptied when you switch between consoled, though |
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| 22:16.40 | Thuryn | i didn't switch consoles |
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| 22:16.59 | Shutdown | mumpitzel: with the compiz, it says that it cannot manage the screen |
| 22:17.06 | Thuryn | just sat down, read the screen, tried shift+pgup (and ctrl+pgup). no response |
| 22:17.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | and just pgup neither? |
| 22:17.21 | mumpitzel | Thuryn: if you can, use a serial console |
| 22:17.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | admittedly, I haven't used that in a long time :) |
| 22:17.33 | Thuryn | CutMeOwnThroat, right. locked up hard. |
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| 22:17.41 | Thuryn | mumpitzel, i have never done that. |
| 22:17.42 | mumpitzel | CutMeOwnThroat: the kernel died. how can the console still react to input keys? |
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| 22:17.59 | mumpitzel | Thuryn: do you have a nullmodem cable? |
| 22:18.11 | Thuryn | mumpitzel, it does *one* thing correctly. it can put the monitor to sleep, and wake it back up. :P |
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| 22:18.21 | Thuryn | mumpitzel, yes, someplace. |
| 22:18.34 | Shutdown | mumpitzel: compiz (core) - Fatal: Software rendering detected. |
| 22:18.36 | Shutdown | compiz (core) - Error: Failed to manage screen: 0 |
| 22:18.38 | Shutdown | compiz (core) - Fatal: No manageable screens found on display :0.0 |
| 22:19.01 | mumpitzel | then check why it uses software rendering. Xorg.0.log |
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| 22:20.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | mumpitzel, true |
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| 22:21.27 | Shutdown | mumpitzel: "Screen 0 is not DRI capable" Any idea of what could it be? |
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| 22:22.43 | ronny | hi |
| 22:22.44 | mumpitzel | Shutdown: do you have a xorg.conf? |
| 22:22.56 | Thuryn | crashed again after only 20 seconds! ACPI messages again. went into BIOS and turned ACPI off. |
| 22:23.19 | Shutdown | mumpitzel: yes, i have |
| 22:23.41 | ronny | my laptop (dell xps m1330) got a internal webcam, and i got a external logitech one - both worked on ubuntu, but not on debian, what are the suggestions for figuring the issue? |
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| 22:23.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | l0p3n, I think a=stable , but n=squeeze ... a stands for "archive", "n" for codeName (compare to "man apt_preferences") |
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| 22:24.45 | Shutdown | mumpitzel: how can i show it to you? |
| 22:24.46 | mumpitzel | ronny: use lsusb to figure out what hardware it is, then load the appropriate drivers |
| 22:25.02 | mumpitzel | Shutdown: don't show. delete the xorg.conf |
| 22:25.17 | dennisvb | Hi, I have a dell xps 15 laptop with the Optimus GPU. Is it possible to make it stay on forever, because I always have my laptop in the charger. |
| 22:25.47 | dennisvb | So it doesn't switch to the Intel hd 3000 graphics. |
| 22:25.48 | Thuryn | dennisvb, that's bad for your battery |
| 22:26.17 | mumpitzel | dennisvb: possibly. e.g. with vgaswitcheroo and using the nvidia proprietary drivers |
| 22:26.34 | mumpitzel | Thuryn: it's not |
| 22:26.43 | l0p3n | 0CutMeOwnThroat0: Ok I will try it. One sec.. |
| 22:27.07 | dennisvb | mumpitzel: ok I will try tomorrow (on my phone now) |
| 22:27.08 | Thuryn | mumpitzel, no really. the battery needs to be allowed to discharge partway from time to time |
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| 22:27.15 | dennisvb | mumpitzel: thanks! |
| 22:27.17 | Thuryn | thought not below, say, 40% |
| 22:27.56 | dennisvb | Thuryn: it doesn't matter I don't ever remove it from the charger. |
| 22:27.58 | Shutdown | mumpitzel: if i delete my xorg.conf, the Xorg server will recognize the configuration automatically, right? |
| 22:28.11 | Thuryn | dennisvb, then take the battery out and sell it rather than wasting it. |
| 22:28.37 | ronny | mumpitzel, any hints on resources for figuring the driver name? |
| 22:28.38 | dennisvb | Thuryn: I can take it out, but won't sell it haha. |
| 22:29.02 | mumpitzel | ronny: google is all you need when you have the USB ID |
| 22:29.16 | mumpitzel | Shutdown: yes |
| 22:30.01 | Thuryn | dennisvb, it's your machine, bro. but it seems a shame to break the thing for no reason. |
| 22:30.18 | l0p3n | 0CutMeOwnThroat0: Didn't work :/ |
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| 22:30.42 | dennisvb | Thuryn: I did not know it damages the battery so I will take it out. I agree. |
| 22:30.42 | mumpitzel | ronny: if you do take them out, discharge to 50% first. then store them cool and dry |
| 22:30.58 | Shutdown | mumpitzel: i already tried this, without success |
| 22:31.00 | Thuryn | agreed. |
| 22:31.21 | ronny | mumpitzel, google only shows bugreports from 2006, im clearly messing up somehow |
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| 22:31.45 | mumpitzel | ronny: what is the USB ID? |
| 22:31.59 | ronny | idVendor=046d, idProduct=08f6 |
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| 22:32.20 | dvs | ,usbid 046d:08f6 |
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| 22:32.39 | abrotman | ronny: did you install the ucv stuff? |
| 22:32.44 | abrotman | erm .. uvc |
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| 22:34.49 | abrotman | erm, gspca ? |
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| 22:35.36 | Shutdown | but my major doubt is how can i change my video driver without stucking my Xorg |
| 22:35.48 | ronny | abrotman, huh? |
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| 22:36.07 | twcjr1969 | If durring install after the base system install If I choose desktop enviornment option does that install gnome or something else? |
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| 22:36.30 | mumpitzel | twcjr1969: depends on the installer you use |
| 22:36.31 | ronny | hmm |
| 22:36.37 | ronny | meh, i'll retry in the morning |
| 22:38.02 | twcjr1969 | It was wheezy, net install, graphic installer. |
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| 22:38.47 | Thuryn | well, it's down to removing hardware to see what the problem is, probably starting with that e100, which means waiting for the wife to keep an eye on the kids for a bit. |
| 22:38.52 | ctmjr | twcjr1969: gnome3 |
| 22:39.05 | mumpitzel | twcjr1969: the one without any DE name in the filename installs gnome |
| 22:40.15 | abrotman | ronny: the gspca driver is not in the kernel IIRC |
| 22:40.34 | abrotman | oh, i guess that's not true anymore |
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| 22:41.03 | twcjr1969 | ctmjr, mumpitzel - thanks. That's what I was afraid of. |
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| 22:42.03 | mumpitzel | twcjr1969: you can get kde, xfce, etc ISOs as well |
| 22:43.14 | twcjr1969 | mumpitzel: I've deciden to stop that install re-install via text mode and will skip the destop enviornment setup and apt-get after |
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| 22:44.56 | l0p3n | 0CutMeOwnThroat0: Wait a minute, it did pin the package. But the priorities are still 999. http://pastebin.com/3mz5LSSa |
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| 23:09.39 | larst | hi all |
| 23:09.45 | larst | how can I use Cinnamon in Debian wheezy? |
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| 23:10.37 | abrotman | larst: it's only in unstable |
| 23:10.45 | larst | abrotman: how can i install from unstable |
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| 23:18.39 | malph0s^ | hi, I have a question regarding apt-get. recently a update installed a new linux-image kernel but when I boot it, it hangs due to some AMD driver incompatibility. I can boot with the old image but I would like to remove the broken image package. can i downgrade the package without removing the meta-package? |
| 23:19.32 | abrotman | malph0s^: which linux OS is this? |
| 23:19.54 | malph0s^ | ubuntu but the question is regarding apt-get |
| 23:20.35 | abrotman | malph0s^: please ask #ubuntu, thank you |
| 23:21.00 | abrotman | malph0s^: this channel is for Debian support, your apt-get was provided by Ubuntu, we have no idea what changes they've made or how they impact the packages you're installing |
| 23:22.29 | malph0s^ | i am asking about general apt usage, not a ubuntu specific problem. i'd like to know if there is a command for apt-get that downgrades a meta package |
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| 23:22.51 | mumpitzel | malph0s^: and we support debian ONLY. not general apt. DEBIAN, not apt |
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| 23:23.01 | abrotman | malph0s^: this channel is for *Debian* support, use #ubuntu or ##linux, thank you |
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| 23:24.56 | g0to | hi there! |
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| 23:26.52 | g0to | I'm trying to make my unattended-upgrades configuration work with no luck |
| 23:27.07 | g0to | I have a few questions about how the process works |
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| 23:27.52 | g0to | what's the purpose of the numbers before every filename under /etc/apt/apt.conf.d? |
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| 23:28.20 | g0to | I assume it's a kind of priority |
| 23:28.27 | mumpitzel | g0to: determines the sequence they are read in |
| 23:29.10 | g0to | mumpitzel, so 01 would be the first 02 the next and so on? |
| 23:29.49 | mumpitzel | yes |
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| 23:30.36 | g0to | mumpitzel, I have two filenames prenamed by the same number (50). Maybe is this the problem? |
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| 23:30.47 | abrotman | that's allowed |
| 23:30.51 | mumpitzel | g0to: no it's not |
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| 23:33.39 | g0to | it is, it is not? Here goes the list of files inside apt.conf.d -> http://pastebin.ca/2314844 |
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| 23:37.11 | yvw | Hello, Is anybody running debian? |
| 23:37.19 | streuner_ | no |
| 23:37.29 | claw__ | nope sorry |
| 23:37.41 | streuner_ | (we all hanging around here to idle...) :-P |
| 23:38.01 | streuner_ | yvw, just ask |
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| 23:38.06 | yvw | I 'm on debian squeeze 6.0.6 and for some reason internet is too slow .There are lot of ICMP packets coming from many sources. |
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| 23:38.26 | yvw | I have 2 MB/s internet connection and now its about 300 kbps. |
| 23:38.30 | abrotman | don't you have a router/firewall that stops those? |
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| 23:38.49 | abrotman | yvw: otherwise, call your ISP |
| 23:38.54 | yvw | abrotman: yes, I'm running a firewall, firestarter |
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| 23:39.18 | abrotman | no, i meant a SOHO router, like a linksys or netgear |
| 23:39.34 | abrotman | anyway, if you want it to stop, i'd contact your ISP |
| 23:39.35 | g0to | mumpitzel, any ideas of the consequences of having two filenames with the same preference number? |
| 23:39.42 | abrotman | g0to: it has none |
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| 23:39.50 | yvw | abrotman: Yes, I have a linksys e3200 router and a software firewall on debian machine as well. |
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| 23:40.28 | claw__ | yvw, what are those sources ? from your local net or from wan ? |
| 23:40.33 | g0to | abrotman, so, that's not the problem of my unattended-updates not being unattended? |
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| 23:40.52 | abrotman | g0to: doesn't it have logs? |
| 23:40.57 | yvw | claw__: The sources are DNS severs which I configured in the network router. |
| 23:41.40 | g0to | abrotman, not until I run it for myself |
| 23:41.54 | mumpitzel | g0to: abrotman already answered you |
| 23:42.07 | yvw | claw__: Ubuntu usb live seems to be fine without any issues. |
| 23:42.14 | streuner_ | yvw: didnt you tell us, DNS isnt a problem at all? |
| 23:42.31 | abrotman | g0to: i'm sure that the unattended-upgrades has some method to log problems |
| 23:42.53 | yvw | streuner_: I use another ISP's dns like a public university or in some other country. They are usually fast. |
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| 23:43.15 | g0to | abrotman, I think that it is not being run |
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| 23:43.25 | streuner_ | yvw: well, i thought its a bandwith issue |
| 23:43.34 | g0to | abrotman, so, no run, no problems ;) |
| 23:43.55 | yvw | streuner_: Yes, I thought so. I will test this again with a ubuntu live usb startup and see how things go. |
| 23:44.20 | abrotman | g0to: it's run via cron? cron has no entry? is it enabled in the configuration file? |
| 23:44.25 | streuner_ | dude, that makes no sense to me |
| 23:44.31 | g0to | abrotman, who is supposed to call apt-conf.d "files"? cron? |
| 23:44.47 | streuner_ | yvw: no matter if you run Debian or *bunt*.... |
| 23:44.50 | dennisvb | I was looking around about vga_switcheroo for using my nvidia GPU permanently instead of the Intel gpu, but it seems nvidia is not really supported. Any other solutions? (maybe using bumblebee?) |
| 23:45.01 | dennisvb | On my xps 15 |
| 23:45.22 | yvw | streuner_: Yes, I will try again in an hour to see if the OS itself has a problem. |
| 23:45.44 | g0to | abrotman, I did not configure cron to run them. There is no configuration file under /etc/apt |
| 23:48.18 | streuner_ | yvw: well, there isnt a problem within the OS in 99.99 percent, IME... |
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| 23:49.05 | abrotman | g0to: are you sure there are updates to be made? |
| 23:49.38 | g0to | abrotman, I can show you the apt log |
| 23:49.43 | yvw | streuner_: Yes, that is correct. |
| 23:49.50 | abrotman | g0to: that might be helpful |
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| 23:50.14 | streuner_ | yvw: check out what abrotman told you, its most likely an ISP/router Problem... |
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| 23:50.33 | g0to | abrotman, it is quite embarrassing since I did not check that the unattended-upgrades was running correctly since I installed it 4 months ago :S |
| 23:50.36 | abrotman | g0to: have you read /usr/share/doc/unattended-upgrades/README ? |
| 23:51.07 | txomon|home | does anyone know where does iceweasel and chromium browsers get certs from? because I have added one to the system and they still haven't it into the admited ones |
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| 23:52.08 | abrotman | thought something like /etc/cacerts/ |
| 23:52.18 | yvw | streuner_: Yes, I saw his comments. The software firewall could be an issues. I have two hw and one sw firewalls |
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| 23:52.49 | streuner_ | yvw: just disable them temp., you see the results then... |
| 23:53.20 | yvw | streuner_: about to do that with a ubuntu live usb bootup |
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| 23:54.14 | mumpitzel | txomon|home: compiled in |
| 23:54.35 | mumpitzel | and the ones you add are in their config files |
| 23:54.53 | g0to | abrotman, here it is (http://pastebin.ca/2314847). You can see the dates between my last 2 manual upgrades |
| 23:55.33 | yvw | streuner_: Does us gov work for motorola mobility? |
| 23:55.35 | g0to | abrotman, and no. I didn't read the README before. But I'm gonna take a look right now |
| 23:55.43 | abrotman | might be a good plan |
| 23:55.45 | txomon|home | mumpitzel, so isn't any way to add a system-level cert for them? |
| 23:55.53 | streuner_ | yvw: no idea, i living in .de |
| 23:56.14 | txomon|home | abrotman, /usr/share/ca-certificates |
| 23:56.18 | Nik05 | you live inside a topleveldomain? |
| 23:56.25 | txomon|home | and dpkg-reconfigure ca-certificates |
| 23:56.32 | mumpitzel | txomon|home: afaik you have to add the certs in the browser itself. system certs are irrelevant |
| 23:56.36 | abrotman | txomon|home: close enough :) |
| 23:56.37 | yvw | streuner_: Better to say Deutschland than .de |
| 23:56.44 | streuner_ | hehe |
| 23:56.58 | txomon|home | mumpitzel, I meant "add a cert for all the users" |
| 23:57.00 | abrotman | streuner_: MCP will assimilate you .. |
| 23:57.08 | txomon|home | not that each one has to add the cert |
| 23:57.15 | streuner_ | wth is MCP? |
| 23:57.26 | yvw | I'm physically in california but virtually in DE because Rheinlands wants me there. |
| 23:57.42 | abrotman | streuner_: http://tron.wikia.com/wiki/MCP |
| 23:57.50 | yvw | streuner_: That might be funny for you. |
| 23:57.50 | twcjr1969 | installed 7 rc1 text mode. unselected desktop enviornment. After the fact want to install dwm but am stuck. startx produces fatal server error no screens found |
| 23:58.17 | abrotman | twcjr1969: did you install the xorg package also ? |
| 23:58.19 | streuner_ | abrotman: haha, doesnt it all of us control us? :-P |
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| 23:58.39 | abrotman | speak for yourself |
| 23:58.45 | streuner_ | sure |
| 23:58.52 | twcjr1969 | after install i did install xorg via apt-get and slim |
| 23:58.53 | mumpitzel | twcjr1969: check your Xorg.0.log. there will be an error before that |
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