| 00:00.04 | larst | should I pick debian instead of uubntu 12.04.2 LTS? |
| 00:00.25 | streuner_ | larst: really, thats what you asking in #debian?... |
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| 00:01.21 | txomon|home | loves C-D for exiting from ssh connections over ssh connections over ... |
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| 00:01.38 | deepy | larst: whenever Ubuntu is one of your choices, pick the other one |
| 00:01.41 | mumpitzel | !lart hostapd |
| 00:01.41 | dpkg | sends a legion of lawyers after hostapd's head |
| 00:02.09 | Thuryn | okay i thing i got it |
| 00:02.10 | larst | deepy: don't like ubuntu :D |
| 00:02.11 | Thuryn | *think |
| 00:02.35 | deepy | larst: I like to think of Ubuntu and eating glass being roughly on the same level :-) |
| 00:02.43 | deepy | if it has to be Linux, go for Debian |
| 00:03.00 | larst | deepy: and can I install cinnamon in debian wheezy? |
| 00:03.11 | abrotman | larst: i told you |
| 00:03.18 | deepy | I'm not entirely sure what cinnamon is, but if it runs on Ubuntu it will probably run just fine on Debian |
| 00:03.21 | larst | abrotman: from sid, yes, but how? |
| 00:03.39 | abrotman | larst: in reality, it's not a good plan, but you can use pinning to do this |
| 00:03.44 | twcjr1969 | mumpitzel: im in /etc/X11/ where is the Xorg.0.log file? |
| 00:03.54 | Thuryn | what determines whether or not a NIC is eth0, eth1, eth2, etc? |
| 00:03.56 | larst | deepy, abrotman: ah ok, i'll pin sid then to 750 |
| 00:04.03 | abrotman | larst: or attempt to backport it from sid directly |
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| 00:04.15 | larst | abrotman: how? |
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| 00:04.22 | streuner_ | dpkg, ssb |
| 00:04.23 | dpkg | First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>. |
| 00:04.24 | larst | abrotman: well i need at least linux 3.5 and cinnamon 1.6.7 |
| 00:04.24 | abrotman | or use gnome3, like you're supposed to :) |
| 00:04.26 | txomon|home | I am curious: Ubuntu or windows, deepy? |
| 00:04.37 | larst | abrotman: ok but i need linux 3.5 |
| 00:04.38 | abrotman | txomon|home: not in any way on-topic |
| 00:04.41 | abrotman | larst: okay .. and? |
| 00:04.45 | mumpitzel | twcjr1969: nowhere. /var/log like all logfiles |
| 00:04.46 | enapupe | So.. anyone went from hdd to ssd? |
| 00:04.48 | larst | abrotman: because of my ivy |
| 00:05.00 | abrotman | larst: okay, let's tackle one problem at a time |
| 00:05.07 | streuner_ | enapupe: not me, but you need an HOWTO... |
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| 00:05.10 | abrotman | larst: have you even installed it yet? |
| 00:05.12 | larst | abrotman: i'll stick with gnome shell |
| 00:05.16 | larst | abrotman: yes |
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| 00:05.25 | enapupe | i'm reading http://wiki.debian.org/SSD%20Installation and http://wiki.debian.org/Multi%20HDD/SSD%20Partition%20Scheme |
| 00:05.28 | mumpitzel | Thuryn: udev does. with some influence from the MAC |
| 00:05.31 | abrotman | larst: so where are we going to begin ? |
| 00:05.31 | streuner_ | enapupe: and it isnt easy |
| 00:05.52 | enapupe | why not? I thought it would be.. |
| 00:05.54 | mumpitzel | what's hard about SSDs? |
| 00:06.04 | enapupe | but I see there is a lot of configs to optimize |
| 00:06.16 | streuner_ | mumpitzel: installing hardware and make the changes |
| 00:06.27 | larst | abrotman: i downloaded the net iso amd64 and installed it |
| 00:06.43 | larst | abrotman: now i have gnome shell started and i need to upgrade to linux 3.5 because ivy bridge randomly freezes in 3.2 |
| 00:07.00 | Thuryn | mumpitzel, found it. had to clear out all of the stuff i had used before. |
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| 00:07.24 | abrotman | larst: grab the linux-image-3.7 from experimental, use packages.debian.org to get it easily |
| 00:07.25 | twcjr1969 | mumpitzel: it looks like a nouveau error "failed to load module" Does that mean I need have to install the nvidia driver? Sort of a newb, sorry about the questions. |
| 00:07.27 | enapupe | larks: why not 3.7.8? I did it yesterday |
| 00:07.40 | enapupe | larst:* why not 3.7.8? I did it yesterday |
| 00:07.43 | mumpitzel | twcjr1969: which module? |
| 00:07.43 | enapupe | sorry larks |
| 00:08.11 | twcjr1969 | failed to load module "nv" |
| 00:08.21 | larst | abrotman: download the package manually and run dpkg -i on it? |
| 00:08.24 | abrotman | yes |
| 00:08.33 | abrotman | larst: and you can probably do that for cinnamon too if you really want it |
| 00:08.35 | larst | abrotman: what's with headers? do i need them too? |
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| 00:08.41 | dvs | enapupe: That kernel is so yesterday |
| 00:08.44 | Thuryn | had to turn ACPI on in the BIOS or the kernel would panic immediately during the boot |
| 00:08.45 | abrotman | larst: probably a good thing to have |
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| 00:08.53 | Thuryn | removed the SCSI card (which I wasn't using anyway) |
| 00:09.06 | Thuryn | swapped the e100 NIC with a LinkSys 100Mb NIC |
| 00:09.09 | enapupe | dvs: wow, true.. today's stable is .9 |
| 00:09.10 | Thuryn | seems stable so far |
| 00:09.24 | dvs | enapupe: ;-) |
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| 00:10.14 | justinas | Good morning, ladies and gentlemen. |
| 00:10.17 | enapupe | dvs: procrastination would saved me some time |
| 00:10.31 | larst | abrotman: do you think downloading manually is better? |
| 00:10.32 | justinas | Where do we typically install native python libs? |
| 00:10.47 | txomon|home | /usr/lib |
| 00:10.49 | justinas | I am creating a *.deb, and I want to specify proper location for the libs. |
| 00:10.52 | txomon|home | I think |
| 00:11.03 | enapupe | abrotman: i didn't find linux-image-3.7 from experimental.. |
| 00:11.07 | justinas | You sure? Not somewhere in /usr/lib/pythonxxx? |
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| 00:11.30 | abrotman | enapupe: i was talking to larst ? |
| 00:11.40 | yvw | what does denmark do in other countries ? just wondering. |
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| 00:11.43 | enapupe | I know, but yesterday I hade to download and compile it myself |
| 00:11.45 | abrotman | enapupe: http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=linux-image-3.7 |
| 00:11.51 | enapupe | because packes was offline |
| 00:12.04 | justinas | yvw: Don't wonder. |
| 00:12.16 | enapupe | packages* |
| 00:12.19 | txomon|home | justinas, see setup.py where does it install them |
| 00:12.28 | justinas | Sure, thanks. |
| 00:12.29 | txomon|home | and erase the local/ |
| 00:12.31 | abrotman | enapupe: nope, seems fine here ... no idea what you did |
| 00:12.35 | yvw | Danisch consulate is playing games maybe |
| 00:12.40 | txomon|home | from the path |
| 00:12.45 | enapupe | yesterday was truly down for maintenance. |
| 00:12.57 | streuner_ | yvw: python? |
| 00:13.06 | cheche | hi, I am trying to install a basic server with samba + squid. which Debian image should I download. |
| 00:13.18 | yvw | streuner_: No idea |
| 00:13.23 | justinas | txomon|home: /usr/local/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/ |
| 00:13.27 | deepy | cheche: if you're installing from an USB stick I would get the netinstall image |
| 00:13.29 | abrotman | enapupe: if you say so |
| 00:13.39 | abrotman | cheche: squeeze netinst |
| 00:13.51 | streuner_ | yvw: python doenst sound like a game issue, IMO |
| 00:14.00 | deepy | cheche: otherwise get the corresponding CD/DVD image to make use of some local packages for That day when the network is down and you want to install something |
| 00:14.06 | yvw | streuner_: Who is the poster? |
| 00:14.36 | streuner_ | yvw: someone from, .dk, no idea |
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| 00:14.52 | yvw | streuner_: That could be a cloak |
| 00:14.53 | cheche | deepy: I was looking for a CD/DVD, and I found that there are 53 CD!!! |
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| 00:15.17 | deepy | cheche: just pick the first one, the other 52 ones are extra packages :-) |
| 00:15.18 | cheche | abrotman: and 8 DVD... |
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| 00:15.56 | yvw | abrotman: netinst of debian is best if they have fast dsl or cable |
| 00:15.58 | streuner_ | cheche: nobody in Debian install OS via CDs... |
| 00:16.16 | abrotman | cheche: no ... |
| 00:16.22 | cheche | deepy: I was looking for binary-1 as in woody |
| 00:16.24 | abrotman | yvw: yes, i know ... |
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| 00:16.28 | yvw | streuner_: somebody from europe is telling Obama what to do. |
| 00:16.29 | cheche | or sarge |
| 00:16.35 | abrotman | cheche: that's just be called CD1 for squeeze .. |
| 00:16.37 | pmo | im sorry to post this in here, but we need help.. please take a minute of your time to read this :/ http://pyfound.blogspot.ca/2013/02/python-trademark-at-risk-in-europe-we.html |
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| 00:16.50 | abrotman | pmo: don't spam here |
| 00:16.52 | deepy | pmo: did anyone poke Google yet? |
| 00:16.57 | pmo | abrotman: its not spam |
| 00:17.01 | abrotman | pmo: yes, it is |
| 00:17.12 | pmo | have you even read it? |
| 00:17.15 | rryoumaa | pmo: it is debian-related? |
| 00:17.23 | abrotman | pmo: is it related to Debian support? no .. it's spam |
| 00:17.26 | pmo | debian will be effected by it |
| 00:17.29 | cheche | streuner_: well, actually I will download the iso on a VM and mount it so it can be pickup using PXE |
| 00:17.42 | abrotman | pmo: try the debian-python channel, thanks |
| 00:17.43 | cheche | but I got confused |
| 00:18.04 | g0to | abrotman, after reading the /usr/share/doc/unattended-upgrades/README I couldn't find nothing wrong on my current configuration |
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| 00:18.15 | streuner_ | cheche: /msg dpkg netinstall |
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| 00:18.23 | cheche | streuner_: thanks |
| 00:18.24 | abrotman | g0to: you've already enabled the program to run ? |
| 00:18.46 | cheche | streuner_: I had it working for ubuntu and system rescueCD |
| 00:18.46 | g0to | abrotman, anyway, I renamed 02periodic to 10periodic |
| 00:18.54 | abrotman | totally helped, right ? |
| 00:19.20 | streuner_ | omg, didnt i told you, that i had changelings... |
| 00:19.30 | streuner_ | s/had/hate/ |
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| 00:20.27 | g0to | abrotman, I did nothing but change names into apt.conf.d. What program do I have to enable? |
| 00:20.38 | cheche | *ok, download CD1 torrent at 3Mb/s* |
| 00:20.41 | g0to | *inside, not into |
| 00:20.56 | streuner_ | cheche: just use http |
| 00:21.21 | cheche | streuner_: well, I thought Bittorrent was better for debian servers |
| 00:21.37 | cheche | I have already download 350Mb of the Cd |
| 00:21.58 | streuner_ | cheche: nah, bandwitdh is always fine to use http... |
| 00:22.12 | abrotman | g0to: did you read the README where it tells you how to enable it? |
| 00:22.16 | deepy | Though torrent can get you faster speed in many cases |
| 00:22.29 | streuner_ | deepy: not these days... |
| 00:22.40 | g0to | abrotman, yeah, by dpkg-reconfigure |
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| 00:22.46 | deepy | streuner_: especially these days, do you know how horrible the routing is in some countries? |
| 00:23.02 | streuner_ | deepy: i have no idea? |
| 00:23.06 | abrotman | g0to: and you verified it's enabld? |
| 00:23.09 | cheche | *done* |
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| 00:23.30 | g0to | abrotman, I don't know how to check it |
| 00:23.36 | cheche | I am quite happy to download that CD in 3m 28s |
| 00:23.41 | deepy | streuner_: if I download something from English, I'll be looking at at most 200-300KB/s, if I'm downloading form Ireland I'm looking at 400-900KB/s |
| 00:23.46 | deepy | err, England |
| 00:23.52 | deepy | darn auto-correct |
| 00:23.58 | g0to | abrotman, so, the answer is no. I did not verified |
| 00:24.10 | abrotman | g0to: the README tells you how to verify |
| 00:24.15 | streuner_ | deepy: hm |
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| 00:25.06 | deepy | streuner_: true story, I have a shell in Sweden, a server in England and the fastest way for me to download a file was to download it to my shell, then to my server and then transfer it here |
| 00:25.34 | g0to | abrotman, you mean by running a -dry-run? I already did that |
| 00:26.04 | abrotman | .... |
| 00:26.10 | g0to | abrotman, but I think that it only verifies it unattended.upgrades run well, not if it is enabled |
| 00:26.17 | abrotman | g0to: dpkg-reconfigure -plow unattended-upgrades .. make sure it's set to Yes |
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| 00:27.41 | g0to | abrotman, confirmed. It is set to Yes |
| 00:28.02 | g0to | abrotman, I think I will wait 24 hours and check the logs again |
| 00:28.27 | abrotman | ok |
| 00:28.40 | g0to | abrotman, If I see something new, the thing is working. If not... I will research more deeply |
| 00:29.43 | g0to | abrotman, thanks for your support, Sir ;) |
| 00:30.04 | g0to | abrotman, I wish you a great day from la bella España |
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| 00:31.08 | abrotman | yay spain! |
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| 00:31.20 | twmb | I'm looking at http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/dists/squeeze/main/installer-i386/current/images/hd-media/ ..., what files do I download to install from USB? |
| 00:31.32 | twmb | or can I use a CD image and put it on a usb and make it bootable? |
| 00:32.35 | dvs | twmb: the latter |
| 00:32.37 | streuner_ | twmb: shoudnt that mention in the install-guide? (/msg dpkg ig) |
| 00:34.07 | abrotman | !tell twmb about usb install |
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| 00:47.41 | xeon-enouf | ladies 'n gents; Can someone please tell me which ones of these 3 i would need (xrdp, rdesktop, freerdp-x11, --or-- any others?) to remote access a windows2k8 server, running win7 enterprise hyper-v managed VMs, that i need to access? I hear one can easily use google-chrome; however the 'rdp' aspect is mandatory. Please advise, as this is time-limited access, thank you |
| 00:48.02 | xeon-enouf | s/which/which, if not all/ |
| 00:48.20 | abrotman | rdesktop |
| 00:48.32 | xeon-enouf | abrotman: thank you |
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| 00:51.31 | xeon-enouf | loves the alsalib depends, heh .. but ok ;-) |
| 00:51.54 | abrotman | rdp has a method to transport sound via the protocol |
| 00:52.03 | xeon-enouf | sure, thought so |
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| 00:54.41 | xeon-enouf | Is there anything i need to configure, or point to in google-chrome, or elsewhere? I will surely read the /usr/share/docs/rdesktop/* and man pages, but not sure how rdp and a browser interface? through a plugin/extension/addon? |
| 00:56.08 | xeon-enouf | just curious abrotman ; have you successfully done this? thanks (no judgement) |
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| 00:57.50 | xeon-enouf | and.. i will gladly let everyone know how it goes (not play-by-play, duh) |
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| 01:04.20 | abrotman | xeon-enouf: which part? |
| 01:04.47 | Eryn_1983_FL | !latest |
| 01:04.47 | dpkg | from memory, latest is not meaningful. Latest when? Latest in what distribution? Latest stable or latest development? Refer to software by its version number - that's what it's for. Refer to Debian by its codename or other identifiable feature: 'squeeze' (6.0), 'wheezy' (stable!), 'sid' (unstable). |
| 01:04.56 | Eryn_1983_FL | doh |
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| 01:07.24 | xeon-enouf | abrotman: the connection, and successful access part |
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| 01:08.27 | xeon-enouf | abrotman: using linux, and $(whatever-browser) (but let me know which one please) |
| 01:08.44 | k-t | refer to wheezy as stable, that's meaningful? |
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| 01:09.33 | xeon-enouf | abrotman: or .. is that not the way it works through the rdesktop pkg ? |
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| 01:17.47 | abrotman | xeon-enouf: i've used rdesktop on linux to connect to a RDP-enabled Windows box, yes |
| 01:19.51 | abrotman | xeon-enouf: i've never done the browser-based RDP client, because IIRC, it uses ActiveX stuff |
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| 01:20.59 | xeon-enouf | abrotman: was it through a browser ? was it browser-specific? i wouldn't think it would be except for $(browser) supporting the abilities |
| 01:21.09 | xeon-enouf | oh |
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| 01:21.58 | xeon-enouf | abrotman: how then? through a terminal window/session? |
| 01:22.08 | abrotman | how what? |
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| 01:24.41 | EasyAsPie | hi |
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| 01:27.39 | abrotman | xeon-enouf: i belive if it's the ActiveX variety, you're stuck using IE |
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| 01:28.42 | xeon-enouf | abrotman: ok |
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| 01:30.24 | EasyAsPie | how r u abrotman |
| 01:30.27 | EasyAsPie | xeon-enouf: :) |
| 01:30.57 | xeon-enouf | abrotman: so; "....... i've never done the browser-based RDP client ....." #then HOW have you done the access? terminal?/ |
| 01:31.35 | xeon-enouf | s,/,, |
| 01:32.06 | abrotman | xeon-enouf: some of them still use straight RDP |
| 01:32.23 | abrotman | xeon-enouf: IOW, the regular client like oyu're trying to use |
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| 01:32.32 | xeon-enouf | "tbem" ? |
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| 01:34.00 | xeon-enouf | i appreciate all the guidance so far abrotman |
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| 01:37.55 | xeon-enouf | abrotman: |
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| 01:38.03 | xeon-enouf | abrotman: oops |
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| 01:38.13 | abrotman | has been highlighted! |
| 01:39.01 | xeon-enouf | abrotman: ".. the regular client ..." <-- which? a browser? |
| 01:39.33 | xeon-enouf | can NOT type .. |
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| 01:40.03 | abrotman | no, the rdesktop client |
| 01:40.59 | abrotman | alternately, install a VNC server on windows :) |
| 01:41.16 | xeon-enouf | o m g ! |
| 01:41.21 | xeon-enouf | :-P |
| 01:42.35 | abrotman | I did that for a lot of my VMs when I was doing that sort of Windows work. They all got UltraVNC or something installed, set to auto-accept with a given password. Not as fast/nice as RDP, but works in a pinch |
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| 01:43.59 | xeon-enouf | hrmm... |
| 01:45.45 | Thuryn | hm |
| 01:45.47 | Thuryn | still crashed |
| 01:45.53 | Thuryn | took out the USB 2.0 PCI card. |
| 01:46.00 | Thuryn | see if it's stable NOW |
| 01:46.03 | Thuryn | hrmph |
| 01:46.40 | dvs | ??? |
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| 01:48.07 | xeon-enouf | i will report ..... later ..... /me is exhausted (windows hyper-v wore me out, heh) so ....... thanks for replies, and I KNOW i mentioned "time-sensitive". and i sincerely appreciate tthe help; i need to rest a bit now |
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| 01:58.56 | Thuryn | that seems to have gotten it |
| 01:59.12 | Thuryn | just going to show that this machine needs to go |
| 01:59.25 | Thuryn | if i can't get anything faster than USB 1.1 out of it :/ |
| 02:00.41 | dvs | Yeah, a PIII is about 15 years old |
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| 02:23.42 | nachos | Hi, where can I learn about debian system maintience, all the package tools and managing system packages etc |
| 02:25.14 | abrotman | !tell nachos about nmg |
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| 02:26.32 | jellf | hi all member |
| 02:26.37 | jellf | i need some help |
| 02:27.00 | abrotman | just ask |
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| 02:27.13 | jellf | this is my first time install debian, my wifi not detect |
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| 02:27.20 | dvs | and the enter key is not puctuatio |
| 02:27.23 | jeeves_moss | how do I configure wifi from the CLI? |
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| 02:27.58 | jellf | at the first time installation i got warning said |
| 02:28.32 | abrotman | jeeves_moss: which type of wifi? |
| 02:28.35 | jellf | iwlwifi-3945-2.ucode iwlwif-3945-2.ucode |
| 02:29.37 | jeeves_moss | abrotman, I need to connect my RaspberryPi to my internal WiFi network |
| 02:29.38 | abrotman | jellf: do you have wired internet available? |
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| 02:29.48 | abrotman | jeeves_moss: that didn't answer my question |
| 02:29.55 | jellf | yes |
| 02:30.02 | abrotman | !tell jellf about iwlwifi |
| 02:30.06 | abrotman | !tell jellf about non-free |
| 02:30.13 | jellf | abrotman: now i connecting with cable |
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| 02:31.07 | jeeves_moss | abrotman, I'm sorry. I guess I didn't understand. Are you asking the chipset driver? |
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| 02:31.25 | abrotman | jeeves_moss: WPA? WEP? open? |
| 02:31.46 | jeeves_moss | abrotman, ohhhhh, sorry. WEP |
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| 02:32.54 | abrotman | jeeves_moss: edit the /etc/network/interfaces .. |
| 02:33.15 | jeeves_moss | abrotman, ok, and add? |
| 02:33.25 | abrotman | jeeves_moss: moment .. been awhile :) |
| 02:33.44 | jeeves_moss | abrotman, same. I normally just do it through the GUI |
| 02:33.57 | abrotman | it's like wireless-ssid and wireless-key IIRC |
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| 02:34.17 | jeeves_moss | abrotman, I've tried that. won't come up |
| 02:34.32 | tubaman | abrotman, http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-reference/ch05.en.html#_the_wireless_lan_interface_with_wep |
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| 02:35.29 | abrotman | tubaman: tell jeeves_moss .. |
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| 02:35.44 | tubaman | er... yeah wrong handle |
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| 02:35.55 | tubaman | jeeves_moss, http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-reference/ch05.en.html#_the_wireless_lan_interface_with_wep |
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| 02:37.15 | jeeves_moss | tubaman, thanks! having a look now |
| 02:37.54 | jeeves_moss | abrotman, ok, it connected, but isn't getting an address |
| 02:38.08 | abrotman | jeeves_moss: i was close! |
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| 02:38.45 | jeeves_moss | abrotman, yep, it's failing on the wireless key |
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| 02:40.36 | nachos | how can i list all packages and if they are up to date? |
| 02:40.46 | nachos | eg print current version and up to date version |
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| 02:42.21 | Bsims | nachos: Hrm not sure how to do that via commandline |
| 02:42.32 | abrotman | nachos: attempt to do the full dist-upgrade |
| 02:42.44 | abrotman | mcurran: please don't attempt to evade the ban, I will kickban you if you persist |
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| 02:43.39 | nachos | thanks |
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| 02:43.57 | nachos | gentoo is rather nice sometimes, i know my way around it much better. its just strange i feel like i have to rely on aptitude |
| 02:44.02 | nachos | was that a joke abrotman ? |
| 02:44.17 | abrotman | no |
| 02:44.58 | nachos | thanks |
| 02:45.10 | nachos | how can i mark packages with dpkg to be installed etc |
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| 02:47.40 | k-t | nachos: apt-show-versions could be what you are looking for |
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| 03:08.47 | Roenie | !tell Roenie about nmg |
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| 03:09.51 | dvs | !tell Roenie about selftell |
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| 03:15.03 | nachos | anyone using the nvidia 313.xx drivers |
| 03:16.23 | abrotman | !ask |
| 03:16.23 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
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| 03:27.46 | fortress_ | hello, I'm having trouble installing debian on my system. Both the debian squeeze and the wheezy install CDs (net install and CD1 discs) are failing when trying to install the AMD64 kernel |
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| 03:28.13 | fortress_ | on the stable/squeeze discs it says the .deb is corrupt. on the wheezy discs it simply says the kernel failed to install |
| 03:28.56 | fortress_ | I have downloaded the installation media from several different mirrors and checked the MD5 sums each time. They are fine. I have tried installing from USB and blank DVD with the same results |
| 03:29.05 | abrotman | tried the i386? |
| 03:29.31 | fortress_ | No I haven't |
| 03:29.38 | fortress_ | is i386 32-bit only ? |
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| 03:29.57 | abrotman | yes .. but just to make sure it's not someting else on the box |
| 03:30.10 | Thuryn | yes |
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| 03:30.39 | fortress_ | Alright, I will try i386 just to test. Do you think it could be my RAM? Can you recommend a memory test to me? |
| 03:30.45 | klys | !versions libstartup-notification0 |
| 03:30.53 | abrotman | klys: you can msg the bot |
| 03:30.57 | abrotman | or use packages.debian.org |
| 03:31.11 | klys | I want to report an architecture problem |
| 03:31.49 | klys | ,versions libstartup-notification0 |
| 03:31.51 | judd | Package: libstartup-notification0 on i386 -- lenny: 0.9-1; squeeze: 0.10-1; sid: 0.12-1; wheezy: 0.12-1; experimental: 0.12-2 |
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| 03:40.56 | klys | ,versions libnotify1-gtk2.10 |
| 03:40.57 | judd | No package named 'libnotify1-gtk2.10' was found in i386. |
| 03:41.16 | klys | ,versions libexo-0.3.0 |
| 03:41.18 | judd | No package named 'libexo-0.3.0' was found in i386. |
| 03:41.23 | klys | ,versions libexo-0.3-0 |
| 03:41.24 | judd | Package: libexo-0.3-0 on i386 -- lenny: 0.3.4-7; lenny-backports: 0.3.107-1~bpo50+2; squeeze: 0.3.107-1 |
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| 03:41.33 | abrotman | klys: msg the bot |
| 03:42.09 | klys | there is a problem where libexo-0.3.0 depends on nonexisting package libnotify1-gtk2.10 |
| 03:42.43 | dvs | klys: are you running etch or something? |
| 03:42.51 | abrotman | klys: you can still msg the bot .. you don't have to flood the channel |
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| 03:43.40 | klys | and there is a version of libstartup-notification0:i386 which depends on libxcb-aux0 which is only available to other architectures. |
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| 03:50.36 | klys | no, to "etch": libnotify1-gtk2.10 is not found in debian-archive as a file |
| 03:50.48 | Demon|Laptop | running into an issue, everytime i reboot my debian box, to bring my interfaces up i have to run mkdir -p /run/network; /etc/init.d/networking restart; ifup lo |
| 03:51.45 | klys | dpkg -S /var/run/network |
| 03:51.45 | dpkg | Dingos ate my /var/run/network! |
| 03:52.23 | Demon|Laptop | dpkg-query: no path found matching pattern /var/run/network |
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| 03:54.27 | abrotman | klys: no .. |
| 03:54.44 | abrotman | klys: read his comment again |
| 03:54.47 | Towzzer | demon , pastebin network file |
| 03:55.07 | Demon|Laptop | /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 03:55.23 | Towzzer | yes sir |
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| 03:57.12 | Demon|Laptop | http://pastebin.com/yz6swDmZ |
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| 04:00.08 | Towzzer | hm |
| 04:00.10 | Towzzer | not sure |
| 04:00.23 | Demon|Laptop | tryin to fix this without having to nuke the box |
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| 04:00.38 | Towzzer | what's the permissions on /var/run |
| 04:01.09 | Demon|Laptop | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 4 Jun 8 2011 /var/run -> /run |
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| 04:04.21 | klys | it's also not part of any packages. there may be a package that creates this at boot. /run and /var/run are not part of any debian packages. It's also not listed in the debian-archive. I think most people have /var/run; possibly from base-system detarring at initial install of debian. There seem to be scripts that delete everything in /var/run before rebooting. you should probably do something like grep "/var/run" /etc/init.d/* |
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| 04:05.48 | fortress_ | "Debootstrap warning ....... amd64.deb was corrupt" |
| 04:06.06 | fortress_ | Any idea what could cause this? the md5sums of the isos are fine |
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| 04:06.29 | fortress_ | I've tried several different optical media and also USB media, same result |
| 04:06.46 | archetech_ | Any idea how I can install xfce 4.10 on wheezy ? |
| 04:07.08 | archetech_ | Do I just enable the experimental repo? |
| 04:07.08 | fortress_ | archetech_: aptitude search xfce ? |
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| 04:07.51 | nachos | Do I need to install extra packages for GCC alternatives? |
| 04:09.02 | Demon|Laptop | grep of /etc/init.d/*: http://pastebin.com/ExDbKzK5 |
| 04:09.13 | klys | nachos: you just want alternat versions of gcc ? |
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| 04:11.27 | archetech_ | aptitude search doesnt say what version it is |
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| 04:18.02 | LtL | archetech_: aptitude show |
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| 04:22.30 | archetech_ | thks its 4.8 |
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| 04:25.32 | fortress_ | Hello, I have confirmed that i386 squeeze installs with no problem on my machine. However, amd64 squeeze and wheezy (for each, testing and the CD1 isos) the install fails when the kernel tries to install. It says the amd64 kernel deb is corrupt. I have tried with multiple optical media and USB keys with the same result (as well as checked MD5sums and downloaded from different mirrors) |
| 04:25.35 | fortress_ | what could be the issue here? |
| 04:26.05 | fortress_ | I meant to say for each, the net installs and the CD1 isos |
| 04:27.48 | fortress_ | Could I simply install squeeze i386, dist-upgrade to wheezy, then install the amd64 kernel and switch to that kernel? |
| 04:28.06 | dvs | fortress_: That should work. |
| 04:28.27 | klys | fortress_: is there any reason you want to go with the kernel version you have selected? there should be other kernel debs available online. |
| 04:28.29 | fortress_ | dvs: excellent, I'll proceed as such then. Any idea why the amd64 kernel deb is corrupt on all the installation media? |
| 04:28.31 | yvw | what a troll, the ben guy is |
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| 04:28.47 | fortress_ | klys: I want 64-bit debian on my machine |
| 04:28.51 | klys | ok |
| 04:29.18 | fortress_ | Is there any reason why I should perhaps not use 64-bit debian? |
| 04:29.31 | fortress_ | I am doing so as my system has 8GB of ram and a modern processor |
| 04:29.43 | klys | I was referring to the version of the kernel you may be attempting to install |
| 04:29.50 | dvs | fortress_: it sounds like the CPU is not compatible. I can't see how multiple packages of the same one can be corrupt. |
| 04:29.53 | yvw | Does debian use smp or asmp on multi core processors which have 4 or more cores? |
| 04:30.17 | fortress_ | My processor is core 2 quad Q6600 |
| 04:30.21 | fortress_ | is it not compatible with amd64 ? |
| 04:30.27 | klys | try arch:ia64 iirc |
| 04:30.41 | dvs | klys: that's wrong |
| 04:31.07 | fortress_ | Would incompatible cpu architecture really affect the unpacking of the deb during the install though? That doesn't make sense |
| 04:31.26 | dvs | fortress_: OK, that is a 64-bit processor. |
| 04:31.48 | Roenie | you made the right choice to go with x86_64 |
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| 04:32.03 | fortress_ | Yes, and it will NOT install. i386 is just about done installing |
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| 04:32.44 | Roenie | have you tried the daily, weekly, and beta builds? |
| 04:33.01 | Roenie | there are several you can use that are 64bit |
| 04:33.25 | fortress_ | I tried the beta and weekly builds. same result. as well as the default 64-bit net installer |
| 04:33.27 | Roenie | iirc the daily and weekly have different installer versions |
| 04:33.29 | klys | aren't Intel Core processors ia64? |
| 04:33.39 | Roenie | no |
| 04:33.48 | dvs | !itanium |
| 04:33.50 | dpkg | Intel Itanium Architecture (formerly IA-64) is Intel's *other* 64-bit architecture. Itanium processors are primarily found in HP Integrity servers and are supported by Debian's ia64 port (http://www.debian.org/ports/ia64/). It is not the same as the AMD64 / Intel 64 / x86-64 chips used in PCs, ask me about <amd64>. |
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| 04:39.32 | nevyn | fortress_: UEFI or bios? |
| 04:40.02 | dvs | Q6600? That must be BIOS. |
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| 04:40.46 | fortress_ | nevyn: BIOS |
| 04:41.20 | fortress_ | Currently doing a dist-upgrade to wheezy. Will install amd64 kernel next |
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| 04:42.30 | Bluthang | !sound |
| 04:42.32 | dpkg | [sound] Ask me about <alsa>, <install alsa>, <alsa checklist>. See also <default alsa>, <devdsp>, <dmix>, <microphone>, <oss4>, <pulseaudio>. |
| 04:42.42 | Bluthang | !pulseaudio |
| 04:42.44 | dpkg | PulseAudio (formerly Polypaudio) is a cross-platform network sound server, intended as a drop-in replacement for <ESD>. Packaged for Debian since Etch, read /usr/share/doc/pulseaudio/README.Debian after installation for configuration recommendations; Debian specific how-to is at http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?t=12497 . http://pulseaudio.org/wiki/FAQ http://pulseaudio.org/ #pulseaudio on irc.freenode.net. |
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| 04:44.29 | Bluthang | !sb live |
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| 04:45.02 | dvs | !tell Bluthang about selftell |
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| 04:47.40 | Bluthang | thanks dvs |
| 04:48.17 | Bluthang | I am having issues getting an sblive card to work with squeeze -- have not had issues with other releases of Linux (kubuntu 12.04 for example) |
| 04:48.38 | overjoyedpulp | do most people usually install debian stable, testing, or unstable? (thinking about trying out debian, I usually use ubuntu but have experience with more finnicky distros e.g. fedora, arch, freebsd) |
| 04:48.40 | Bluthang | alsa and pulse installed |
| 04:48.54 | Bluthang | overjoyedpulp: I have stable |
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| 04:50.08 | overjoyedpulp | bluethang: what kinds of things do you (personally) use debian stable for? work? developing? multimedia? server? |
| 04:50.35 | klys | overjoyedpulp: I've seen a fair amount of interest in wheezy/testing. |
| 04:51.27 | Bluthang | overjoyedpulp: personal |
| 04:51.32 | Bluthang | desktop |
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| 04:52.54 | overjoyedpulp | do the older packages bother you at all or not really? debian uses a de-branded version of firefox right? |
| 04:53.58 | klys | the newer versions of thunderbird weren't as good last time I checked. It won't let you install an IMAP account (not on the menu) |
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| 04:55.03 | overjoyedpulp | i just remember that when i tried centos i was fine with it at first and then after a while, for no explicable reason, i got sick of the older packages so i switched to opensuse or ubuntu (i forget honestly) |
| 04:55.19 | overjoyedpulp | it's weird because it's not like i needed the newer packages |
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| 05:09.32 | tubaman | anyone running a desktop on an amd e-300? |
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| 05:13.31 | PryMar56 | tubaman does it support PAE? |
| 05:13.56 | tubaman | yeah, I'm running a pae kernel on it now |
| 05:14.26 | PryMar56 | tubaman, then no need for the 486 kernel on wheezy |
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| 05:16.30 | notjimcarrey | can someone look at my log exerpt and tell me what may be wrong with trying to get this tv tuner to work? |
| 05:16.34 | notjimcarrey | http://pastebin.com/zXCss0tt |
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| 05:26.41 | well_laid_lawn | notjimcarrey: looks like you need some firmware |
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| 05:32.49 | notjimcarrey | i have the firmware files in /lib/firmware and in /lib/firmware/3.8.0-rc7-custom |
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| 05:32.58 | notjimcarrey | any idea why it can't find them? |
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| 05:36.27 | well_laid_lawn | nope. do you have the actual model of the card? |
| 05:37.10 | well_laid_lawn | try lsusb |
| 05:37.16 | notjimcarrey | hauppauge hvr-1950 |
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| 05:37.40 | Voss | What other effective means are there to restrict access to SSH? |
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| 05:38.41 | AFlyingMonkey | can the + and - characters be used in file names? |
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| 05:42.52 | rryoumaa | yes |
| 05:43.37 | AFlyingMonkey | thanks :) |
| 05:43.39 | rryoumaa | i think everything except / and NUL is ok, but not sure |
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| 05:44.34 | rryoumaa | np |
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| 05:47.26 | well_laid_lawn | notjimcarrey: best my google-fu can come up with - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Drivers%20Hauppauge%20WinTV%20HVR-1950%20for%20Linux |
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| 06:48.27 | JasonWoof | can I configure reportbug to automatically subscribe me to all new bugs I report? |
| 06:49.11 | JasonWoof | I probably want to be subscribed to all bugs I post info to also |
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| 07:00.39 | Deathspawn | how can i upgrade to openjdk from testing without upgrading the entire system along with it? tried apt-get install -t testing openjdk-6-jre but python-apt wants to upgrade and break things. |
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| 07:04.51 | JasonWoof | Deathspawn: did you check backports? |
| 07:05.29 | Deathspawn | no.. and i feel slightly dumb, but how? |
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| 07:09.02 | JasonWoof | I'm guessing this: http://backports-master.debian.org/Instructions/ |
| 07:09.14 | JasonWoof | I haven't used backports, I just know of it |
| 07:10.02 | lstarnes | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:10.04 | lstarnes | oops. |
| 07:10.13 | lstarnes | wait, why am I here? |
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| 07:10.53 | zifnab | i'm attempting to run screen from a setuid script, but its not working correctly |
| 07:10.58 | zifnab | http://pastebin.com/56cYCwwj |
| 07:11.00 | zifnab | that is the script |
| 07:11.10 | zifnab | program* i guess |
| 07:11.27 | zifnab | the 'whoami' always prints out the user (zifnab), however screen seems to ignore the setuid bit |
| 07:11.32 | zifnab | any ideas? |
| 07:12.28 | JasonWoof | screen needs the user running it to own the pty |
| 07:13.10 | zifnab | how would i go about getting a hardcopy made from a different user then? |
| 07:13.12 | JasonWoof | you can allocate and use a new pty for the current user (and start a new shell that uses it) with "script" |
| 07:14.00 | JasonWoof | I think when people are using script for this purpose they generaly call it like so: script null |
| 07:14.04 | JasonWoof | oops |
| 07:14.09 | JasonWoof | I mean: script /dev/null |
| 07:14.30 | JasonWoof | see: man script |
| 07:14.36 | JasonWoof | looks like you can pass -c screen |
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| 07:15.34 | JasonWoof | that's what I had to do to get ssh working from an odd chroot situation |
| 07:15.43 | JasonWoof | I think it was needed for screen too |
| 07:16.00 | JasonWoof | now I'm less sure |
| 07:16.40 | zifnab | JasonWoof: same thing happens |
| 07:16.51 | Deathspawn | i use script '/dev/null' && exit |
| 07:17.00 | Deathspawn | and it seems to work |
| 07:17.01 | JasonWoof | zifnab: what happens exactly? |
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| 07:18.09 | zifnab | http://pastebin.com/Ve03J9m4 |
| 07:18.54 | JasonWoof | zifnab: looks like it worked to me |
| 07:19.06 | JasonWoof | zifnab: what were you expecting? |
| 07:19.13 | zifnab | JasonWoof: the second part, as www-data |
| 07:19.32 | zifnab | i was expecting it to print the same as when it was ran by my user, as the program is setuid as my user |
| 07:19.46 | zifnab | No Sockets found in /var/run/screen/S-www-data. |
| 07:19.51 | JasonWoof | ahh |
| 07:19.54 | zifnab | it shouldn't be looking there, seeing as its a setuid program |
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| 07:20.12 | JasonWoof | zifnab: maybe it's going by $USER instead of by uid? |
| 07:20.23 | JasonWoof | zifnab: you might have to set up the environment |
| 07:20.41 | zifnab | i'll try that really quick, brb |
| 07:21.10 | JasonWoof | man screen doesn't list "USER" under the environment section |
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| 07:25.35 | zifnab | what'd be nice is 'screen -u username' |
| 07:25.42 | zifnab | i wonder if su would work |
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| 07:29.28 | JasonWoof | I tried messing with setuid at some point. it's weird stuff |
| 07:29.41 | zifnab | yeah |
| 07:29.43 | zifnab | i don't know |
| 07:29.51 | JasonWoof | there's the "effective uid" and the "real uid" |
| 07:30.10 | zifnab | my understanding setuid was no different as runnign 'su -c command user' |
| 07:30.17 | zifnab | but apparently it is |
| 07:30.35 | JasonWoof | I think it is |
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| 07:31.13 | zifnab | it is when it comes to sudo and su apparently now too |
| 07:32.24 | JasonWoof | I've gotten confused by sudo. I never bothered figuring it out. su works for me |
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| 07:35.28 | JasonWoof | at some point I was using a different terminal multiplexer. you could specify where the pipe should live, and it'd use the unix file permisions on that pipe to determine who could access the session |
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| 07:35.54 | JasonWoof | so you could let other users watch with chmod g+r, etc |
| 07:36.35 | JasonWoof | ahh, dtach, that was it |
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| 07:42.06 | zifnab | i think i'm going to have to try tmux |
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| 07:42.34 | zifnab | it looks like a 'security patch' by debian broke what i'm trying to do, "Directory /var/run/screen/S-zifnab must have mode 700." |
| 07:42.39 | zifnab | works fine on my redhat box :/ |
| 07:42.44 | zifnab | so...thanks i guess :() |
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| 07:46.04 | cthuluh | screen setuid support worked fine last time I used it |
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| 07:47.03 | LinaSovereign | Hey ! |
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| 07:57.08 | solfern | Hi guys, any news on Wheezy release date? thx |
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| 08:02.43 | zifnab | i win, take that screen |
| 08:02.47 | zifnab | tmux ftw i guess for this |
| 08:03.15 | zifnab | thanks all |
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| 08:27.42 | Spektral | hi, im trying to make a custom colored promt, i got my PS1= code worked out, my issue is, im running deb 6 wheezy on my vps, and i dont wanna do it with a user/.bashrc, i wanna make it system wide, and i know it has to do with the /etc/bash.bashrc and the /etc/profile files |
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| 08:28.10 | Spektral | but ive tried editing them both with my custom promt, and it still shows the normal default promt |
| 08:28.15 | Sm0ke0ut | *nods* though those files won't be used for current users |
| 08:28.31 | Sm0ke0ut | you've to remove ~/.bashrc before the "global" is being taken |
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| 08:28.55 | Spektral | u mean to make it system wide, and for all users id have to do it before i added any users? |
| 08:29.10 | Spektral | other then editing each users bash file |
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| 08:29.16 | Spektral | cuz like |
| 08:29.30 | Spektral | my bro has it on his box, and he added me later on after he had it setup |
| 08:29.42 | Spektral | and i still had the custom colored promt |
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| 08:30.02 | Spektral | so there's no way i can edit the system wide bash files so it shows for all users ? |
| 08:30.21 | Sm0ke0ut | rm -rf /home/*/.bashrc |
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| 08:30.56 | Spektral | lol |
| 08:31.10 | Sm0ke0ut | is not kidding ;) |
| 08:31.17 | Spektral | so the only way to do it now, is to remove the bash for each made user? |
| 08:31.36 | Spektral | or, go into the file and comment out the custom PS1= line at leat |
| 08:31.38 | Sm0ke0ut | I guess. You can try google if there's another/better aproach |
| 08:31.39 | Spektral | *least |
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| 08:31.52 | Spektral | ive tried google |
| 08:31.58 | Spektral | i do like the topic says |
| 08:32.01 | Sm0ke0ut | but the ones in /etc/ are usually being copied to the homedir for new users |
| 08:32.11 | Spektral | well there's 2 |
| 08:32.19 | Spektral | there;s the 1 ur talking abotu |
| 08:32.21 | Spektral | which is |
| 08:32.32 | Spektral | /etc/skel/.bashrc |
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| 08:32.41 | Spektral | thats the default thats copied for all users when made |
| 08:32.45 | Spektral | then the system wide bash |
| 08:32.53 | Spektral | which is /etc/bash.bashrc |
| 08:33.17 | Spektral | i know those are for sure those files, but there's also the etc/profile file |
| 08:33.24 | Spektral | which also has PS1= stuff in it |
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| 08:35.57 | gnude | hello, i using radical as caldav server on debian6. as client i have iphone and thunderbird with lightning. |
| 08:36.09 | gnude | but sometimes the calender in lightning geht exclamation mark and dont work anymore |
| 08:36.40 | gnude | at the radical.log there is "INFO: Stopping Radicale" written. But no idea what happend. Anybody a idea? |
| 08:38.04 | topi` | any ideas why the newest python package in unstable is still 3.2.0 even though py3.3.0 was released in october 2012 ? |
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| 08:38.31 | topi` | I tried grabbing the packages from experimental, but ended up with problems trying to create a virtualenv for that interpreter |
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| 08:40.47 | d3b14n | hello everybody. I want to install kde alongside gnome. The goal is to start kde via gdm. Is there a meta-package for the KDE installation? |
| 08:41.07 | Trewas | topi`: testing has been frozen since summer and unstable gets mostly frozen along with testing |
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| 08:44.19 | ksuhku | d3b14n, kde-full will pull in the whole kde thing |
| 08:44.47 | topi` | Trewas: so, when is the next time window when something new comes along to unstable? |
| 08:45.36 | d3b14n | ksuhku: That what im looking for. Thanks |
| 08:46.01 | Trewas | topi`: after wheezy gets released |
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| 08:47.20 | EmleyMoor | !tell topi` about slushy |
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| 09:25.02 | zafu | hi, how do I add foreign spelling dictonaries to iceweasel ? |
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| 09:27.02 | zafu | ah found: hunspell-* |
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| 09:28.52 | telegogas | hello anyone alive ? |
| 09:29.09 | koollman | maybe |
| 09:29.16 | telegogas | alright then I'll shoot |
| 09:29.28 | telegogas | I have this weird problem with my gcc installation |
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| 09:29.32 | telegogas | it's kind of broken |
| 09:29.56 | telegogas | to the point where anything fails to compile based on /usr/include/sys/ headers |
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| 09:31.07 | telegogas | typical errors are array has incomplete type |
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| 09:33.09 | telegogas | and incomplete type can not be defined |
| 09:33.09 | ChrisH | telegogas: can you create a small repdroducer? just a few lines and show them including your gcc call and output on paste.debian.net |
| 09:33.56 | telegogas | well actually everything that includes some stdlib will fail |
| 09:34.36 | telegogas | I'll paste some output from trying to build lynx (which actually fails at the ncurses level) |
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| 09:37.04 | telegogas | there you go |
| 09:37.06 | telegogas | http://pastebin.com/xVPiUbEK |
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| 09:37.22 | telegogas | it's on debian squeeze 32bit system |
| 09:37.56 | telegogas | a VPS which I didn't try to build anything until now |
| 09:38.39 | telegogas | I don't have any CPATH or the like set |
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| 09:40.34 | telegogas | shouldn't there be an /usr/include/i486-linux-gnu (assuming because the gcc target is i486-linux-gnu)? |
| 09:42.16 | telegogas | anyone? |
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| 09:42.47 | leotr | hello! i want to create my own distribution, and i want to include all packages i need to disk and install them during system installation. Can anybody who has good experience in creating disks consult me? How much does it cost (per hour)? |
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| 09:44.11 | ChrisH | telegogas: I asked for 2 things. 1. a small reproducer and 2. paste.debian.net; You did none of these two simple requests. |
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| 09:44.35 | telegogas | ChrisH I did a pastebin |
| 09:44.39 | leotr | afk |
| 09:44.39 | telegogas | sorry |
| 09:44.54 | dennisvb | Hi, I want to have my GT525M Optimus GPU always on. I installed the NVIDIA drivers, but it doesn't seem to use the correct GPU. |
| 09:45.50 | telegogas | http://paste.debian.net/235162/ |
| 09:46.10 | telegogas | trying to compile anything at all results in similar type definition errors |
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| 09:49.33 | ChrisH | telegogas: does cd /usr/include && find . -type f | xargs grep -l st_atim show any matches but stat.h ? |
| 09:50.27 | telegogas | yes |
| 09:51.16 | telegogas | asm-generic asm bits |
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| 09:52.23 | stefan877 | hi, when will debian wheezy released? |
| 09:52.25 | ChrisH | telegogas: I have more hits. So back to my point 1 create a small reproducer, so I can check it with my systems |
| 09:52.35 | ChrisH | stefan877: when its done. |
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| 09:53.13 | stefan877 | ChrisH: could that be before april? |
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| 09:57.00 | _ingsoc | Hi everyone. I'm having sound problems on Debian. Everything worked fine, but today, all of a sudden, my sound stopped working. What can I do? :( |
| 09:57.22 | stefan877 | ksuhku: the green line looks good... |
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| 09:59.50 | _ingsoc | Anyone? |
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| 10:01.37 | ksuhku | stefan877, agreed :) |
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| 10:02.49 | obs | _ingsoc, check the alsa options, check the mixer options, if you don't touch anything, nothing breaks alone, in teory :) |
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| 10:04.15 | telegogas | ChrisH: http://paste.debian.net/235163/ |
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| 10:11.20 | _ingsoc | obs: I'm worried that it might be a hardware problem. :( |
| 10:11.24 | _ingsoc | I just don't know what to do. |
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| 10:11.59 | claint | telegogas: are you missing header files or something? |
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| 10:12.21 | telegogas | claint: no that's the weird part |
| 10:12.42 | telegogas | it's as if it has something to do with the build system itself or perhaps the gcc version |
| 10:12.55 | telegogas | (even though it's just squeeze) |
| 10:13.08 | claint | telegogas: did you purge and reinstall gcc & build-essential? |
| 10:13.26 | telegogas | no |
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| 10:14.06 | ChrisH | telegogas: why do you use g++ to compile C-code. My gcc does compile your testcode without problems, as expected. But purgung and reinstalling might be faster then searching for an error |
| 10:14.28 | telegogas | ChrisH : gcc dies as well |
| 10:16.10 | telegogas | compiling with gcc (after purging and reinstalling) throws up an extra In file included from moofa.c:1: /usr/include/sys/timeb.h:34: error: expected specifier-qualifier-list before ‘time_t’ |
| 10:16.15 | ChrisH | i have no g++ installed on this squeeze box. |
| 10:16.52 | telegogas | it's not like I can't build something specific I can't build practically anything |
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| 10:18.02 | ChrisH | telegogas: if you do a dpkg -l | egrep -v -e "^ii" does it show up some high capital letters at the beginning? |
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| 10:18.35 | telegogas | yeah |
| 10:18.52 | hyppias | should I s=choose Samba 4 or Samba 2? |
| 10:19.08 | telegogas | ChrisH: what to you mean exactly ? |
| 10:19.24 | hyppias | I'm on a Raspberry Pi.. |
| 10:19.40 | telegogas | I get a dpkg listing |
| 10:19.51 | ChrisH | telegogas: pastebin the output and add dpkg -l -- \*-dev | egrep -e ^ii |
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| 10:21.55 | telegogas | ChrisH: http://paste.debian.net/235168/ |
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| 10:22.40 | ChrisH | ,v libc6-dev |
| 10:22.41 | judd | Package: libc6-dev on i386 -- lenny: 2.7-18lenny7; lenny-security: 2.7-18lenny7; squeeze-updates: 2.11.3-3; squeeze: 2.11.3-4; squeeze-proposed-updates: 2.11.3-4; wheezy: 2.13-37; sid: 2.13-38; experimental: 2.17-0experimental2 |
| 10:22.53 | obs | _ingsoc, in teory a hardware problem is complicated...if you don't touch the kernel and your sound works until today...is rare that have a hardwar problem, use a live cd mint, ubuntu...to check if the sound works in the live, if works is a problem of configuration if not sound is a hardware problem |
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| 10:23.26 | telegogas | ChrisH: come again? |
| 10:23.29 | obs | _ingsoc, alwais in teory |
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| 10:24.11 | DanFromGermany | Does anyone have information when MySQL 5.5 will become part of the stable packages |
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| 10:24.35 | ChrisH | telegogas: I checked the libc6-dev version against the one you have installed. Looks OK. |
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| 10:25.33 | ChrisH | telegogas: was libc6-dev reinstalled during your purge/reinstallation? |
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| 10:25.51 | telegogas | no , think I should give it a try ? |
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| 10:26.00 | ChrisH | yes. |
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| 10:28.27 | JeffJohnson | hello |
| 10:28.51 | telegogas | ChrisH : that did it, any ideas? |
| 10:29.20 | JeffJohnson | Since i updated on friday my debian/testing installation, xorg is unbelievable slow, scrolling in the console and moving windows lags. I already tried to downgrade xorg + xorg drivers to stable but didn't helped. Anybody have an idea? |
| 10:29.23 | ChrisH | telegogas: So it is compiling now? And you are asking for an explanation? |
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| 10:29.47 | telegogas | I don't understand why purging libc6-dev worked |
| 10:32.39 | telegogas | ChrisH: I'm just saying if you've ran into a similar situation and have any idea how things got complicated |
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| 10:33.17 | telegogas | ChrisH: you're probably pissed I wasted your time without trying to simply purge/reinstall the build system |
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| 10:34.12 | telegogas | ChrisH: thanks anyway for all it matters |
| 10:34.22 | ChrisH | telegogas: I am not pissed. I still try to understand what you are currently asking for. reinstallation of libc6-dev allowed to comile? |
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| 10:38.31 | gnude | hello, i want to meet with some friends when debian wheezy will release. but now it is difficult to plan. |
| 10:38.39 | gnude | any ideas how long it take. |
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| 10:39.50 | ChrisH | dpkg: tell gnude about rc bugs |
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| 10:40.55 | claint | I want this penguin egg to hatch on the exact hour that wheezy is released. |
| 10:40.56 | babilen | gnude: There will be a proper announcement in due course |
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| 10:41.39 | claint | gnude: so go meet with your friends now, that's why they are called friends. :) |
| 10:41.59 | babilen | (celebrate RC1!) |
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| 10:45.04 | gnude | babilen: ok. where to find the accouncement? identi.ca/debian ? there to look |
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| 10:46.03 | babilen | gnude: http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/News/2013/20130217 |
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| 10:47.09 | gnude | ok |
| 10:47.39 | aeroot | hey, how can i apply the changes in wpa_supplicant.conf for wpa_supplicant without rebooting (like after adding a network manually)? |
| 10:48.15 | babilen | aeroot: sure |
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| 10:49.07 | aeroot | babilen: would you be so kind to tell me how? ;) |
| 10:49.33 | dn4 | does anyone have a recommendation on what to download for a x86_64bit Intel Core 2 Duo Macbook pro 5,5; Download for a debian distro that supports my puter? |
| 10:50.02 | babilen | aeroot: How do you use wpa_supplicant right now? Is it configured in roaming mode in /etc/network/interfaces ? The idea is more or less to take the interface down and then bring it up again. |
| 10:50.05 | ChrisH | dn4: I would use wheezy |
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| 10:50.24 | babilen | dn4: Do you have a working internet connection during the installation? |
| 10:50.50 | dn4 | babilen: I could get one yes |
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| 10:51.07 | zelo | i want to find some files with log extensions and echo empty value to overwrite them. AFAIK something like """ find ./ -name "*.log" -exec echo "" > {} \; """ should work but im sure im making some stupid error here. Can someone help me with that? |
| 10:51.37 | aeroot | yes, in the interfaces file is wpa-roam configured |
| 10:51.37 | babilen | dn4: Well, that wonderful. In that case I would recommend to use the RC1 wheezy network installer with firmware. Get it from http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/wheezy_di_rc1/amd64/iso-cd/ |
| 10:52.12 | babilen | dn4: Additional information on http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ and installation guide(s) on http://www.debian.org/releases/testing/installmanual |
| 10:52.46 | aeroot | babilen: yes, in the interfaces file is wpa-roam configured. i tried restarting /etc/init.d/networking but that seems to be deprecated |
| 10:52.48 | babilen | aeroot: Well, just take the interface down (ifdown wlan0) and then bring it back up again (ifup wlan0) |
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| 10:54.03 | babilen | aeroot: It is not really deprecated. The reason for this (IMHO unfortunate) message is that "restart" executes "ifdown -a" and then "ifup -a" -- While "ifdown -a" will bring down /all/ active interfaces "ifup -a" will only activate those that have a suitable "auto IFACE" stanza in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 10:54.32 | dn4 | babilen: here is where I am confused I have an intel cpu; why do you suggest amd64 ? |
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| 10:54.59 | babilen | aeroot: In short: The set of interfaces that were active before the restart might be different from the set of interfaces that are active afterwards. It is therefore not a real "restart" in that the state is the same as before. |
| 10:55.13 | babilen | dn4: Because you have a 64bit CPU |
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| 10:55.22 | babilen | dpkg: tell dn4 about why amd64 |
| 10:56.10 | aeroot | babilen: thanks, it works like a charm |
| 10:56.33 | babilen | aeroot: yay! |
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| 10:57.31 | ChrisH | zelo: you want to null these files like: > file or cp /dev/null file ?? |
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| 10:59.05 | dn4 | babilen: thanks that clears thigns up for me |
| 10:59.11 | aeroot | is it possible to let a specific user run a specific tool that needs to be run with su-rights? like ifup and ifdown. |
| 10:59.20 | zelo | ChrisH yes but i use cygwin on windows |
| 10:59.37 | koollman | aeroot: http://wiki.debian.org/sudo |
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| 11:00.39 | aeroot | koollman: with sudo the user can execute all su-programs, right? |
| 11:00.40 | claint | !tell aeroot about netdev |
| 11:00.54 | zelo | ChrisH: the problem is that i want to clean logs but i cant remove those files when my app is running so instead of deleting them i want to clean their content. i came with something like that """ find "`pwd`" -name "*.log" -exec "echo . > {}" \; """ but i get same strange results |
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| 11:01.06 | babilen | dpkg: tell aeroot about sudoers |
| 11:01.09 | amgarching | I used to have the entry for "." in the output of "du -sm * . | sort -n" at the very bottom, like a total. How comes I get something different now? Also the number differs from the output of "du -sm ." It is all the same fale system. I thought I knew how "du" works, but having my doubts now. |
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| 11:01.26 | amgarching | *file system |
| 11:01.44 | babilen | aeroot: You can configure sudo on a per-user per-program basis if you want to (or give certain groups the right to execute certain commands (%group)) |
| 11:02.12 | babilen | amgarching: There was a nice article about this somewhere on the internet :-/ |
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| 11:02.48 | ChrisH | zelo: why not use logrotate package? |
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| 11:03.40 | aeroot | okay, i will google that, thanks |
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| 11:04.18 | zelo | ChrisH im using tail -f most of the time but sometimes it would be nice to clear all existing logs. but i will check what you recommend because i didnt heard about it before |
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| 11:05.49 | babilen | aeroot: Well, just read "man 5 sudoers" and http://wiki.debian.org/sudo -- One common thing to do on your own box is to add your primary user to the sudo group (adduser YOURUSER sudo) which allows you to execute /any/ command with superuser privileges |
| 11:06.16 | zelo | ChrisH: ahh logrotate would be ok but unfortunelly im forced to use windows so all i can access is cygwin |
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| 11:06.44 | amgarching | babilen: what is that thing you call internet? Man page says "-s, --summarize: display only a total for each argument". Here "." is one of the arguments. What am I doing wrong? |
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| 11:08.09 | claint | amgarching: maybe you want the -c flag of du? |
| 11:08.18 | DanFromGermany | Does anyone have information when MySQL 5.5 will become part of the stable packages |
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| 11:09.20 | claint | DanFromGermany: When wheezy becomes stable. |
| 11:10.20 | amgarching | if I cannot trust the entry for "." in "du -sm * ." should I trust any other number in that outpur? Should I trust "du" at all? This is what bothers me. |
| 11:10.26 | aeroot | babilen: yes, i do that for me, too. the problem i have is, that i would like to execute the program automatically within a webapp running in tomcat (in java with processbuilder)... sudo will always ask me for my password at the first time, right? |
| 11:10.29 | babilen | amgarching: I guess you have to think of it as "combine size of distinct arguments" |
| 11:11.13 | Kingsy | guys, I am trying to setup dual monitors on my fresh debian install, however, only the primary monitor is turning on, I cant even get it to display anything manually with xrandr, can someone help me with this? |
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| 11:11.54 | Spektral | so yea, i guess u cant just setup 1 system wide bash file that will take place over user's bash files for changing the promt |
| 11:11.55 | babilen | amgarching: The total for "." alone is the total of everything in that directory. If you /also/ have an argument for everything in the directory the size for . is simply the size of . (as everything else is covered by the other arguments) |
| 11:11.58 | claint | amgarching: well I usually use du -chs |
| 11:12.33 | Spektral | used to cent, had 1 file to edit for all that, but i had to edit the system wide bash, then comment out the PS1= lines in each user's bash file |
| 11:12.51 | babilen | Kingsy: "lspci -nn|grep -i vga" and "xrandr -q" → http://paste.debian.net please -- Also provide information about the Debian version you use and /var/log/Xorg.0.log if applicable. |
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| 11:13.33 | Spektral | but i also commented it out of teh one from /etc/skel/.bashrc, so i guess when the next user is added and it copys that to their folder, i wont have to comment shit out anymore heh |
| 11:14.07 | Kingsy | babilen: ok cool, let me install irssi on the machine so this is easier. |
| 11:14.24 | DanFromGermany | claint |
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| 11:14.37 | claint | yes DanFromGermany? |
| 11:14.38 | Spektral | i got a new question though, i wrote a motd, and it has all the sys info all nice and neat, and put it in a box with + on top, bottom, left, right, but like if say there's 2 users, and not 1 user, it adds an extra chr, so it pushes the + at the end of that line back 1 spot |
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| 11:15.19 | DanFromGermany | claint: when will that happen, testing becoming stable? or is that date now published yet |
| 11:15.25 | DanFromGermany | not* |
| 11:15.32 | amgarching | claint: if this is not that bug, but as babilen says, then I need to re-train my fingers to "du -cms * | sort -n" like you say. |
| 11:15.47 | Spektral | so its not lined up, i know how to use ${#whatever} to get teh chr count, but what i need to know , is there a cmd i can use to then move that + at teh end of the row +/- X amount of spaces after i chk the chr count and do teh math? |
| 11:16.18 | amgarching | not quite, it does not count hidden files |
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| 11:16.29 | claint | !tell DanFromGermany rc bugs |
| 11:16.45 | Spektral | so if its got 1 extra chr, i can count, chk, then have it like back the + up 1 spot or however many needed after the calc? basically delete a space(s) between the info and the + at the end of the line / or add a space(s) if its shorter |
| 11:16.48 | amgarching | rather: du -cms * . | sort -n |
| 11:16.49 | Spektral | ? |
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| 11:17.06 | claint | !tell DanFromGermany about rc bugs |
| 11:18.05 | amgarching | wrong: du -cms * . | sort -n, on other system (Lenny, ext3) that results in double counting in total. |
| 11:18.22 | Kingsy_DEB | babilen: hmm this is really weird, I cant copy and paste out of a xterm window. |
| 11:18.35 | claint | amgarching: you got a script that uses du or something? |
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| 11:18.43 | babilen | dpkg: tell Kingsy_DEB -about nopaste |
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| 11:19.45 | amgarching | claint: no just moving data from a 5y old laptop to a new system and wondering why "du" doesnt work as I used to |
| 11:20.06 | Kingsy_DEB | babilen: yeah I am using one of them, but command | grep | paste returns a generic URL without the information.. |
| 11:20.14 | Kingsy_DEB | babilen: is that because of the run order of the pipes? |
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| 11:22.11 | babilen | Kingsy_DEB: I can't help you if you don't at least tell me which command you ran. And you can also use a different terminal if your xterm is acting up :-/ |
| 11:23.19 | Kingsy_DEB | sure 1 second |
| 11:24.35 | Kingsy_DEB | brb |
| 11:24.36 | Kingsy_DEB | exit |
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| 11:25.25 | Kingsy_DEB | babilen: ok got it --> http://paste.debian.net/235181/ <-- XRANDR info |
| 11:25.58 | Kingsy_DEB | babilen: lspci says --> 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: NVIDIA Corporation GT218 [GeForce 210] [10de:0a65] (rev a2) |
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| 11:26.50 | Kingsy_DEB | babilen: and finally --> the xorg log http://paste.debian.net/235182/ |
| 11:27.36 | Kingsy_DEB | babilen: I am also using a custom xorg.conf ---> http://paste.debian.net/235183/ |
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| 11:28.15 | babilen | Kingsy_DEB: You probably want to give the proprietary nvidia driver a try. See "/msg dpkg nvidia dkms wheezy" for details. |
| 11:28.45 | Kingsy_DEB | no problem, but surely this is not a reason for the lack of the second monitor... |
| 11:28.49 | Kingsy_DEB | I will try it now tho |
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| 11:30.08 | babilen | Kingsy_DEB: Oh, you /do/ want to use nouveau? I am not really familiar with it, but I also don't quite see the problem in the xrandr output. You have two displays one with a resolution of 1920x1080 on HDMI and another with a resolution of 1920x1200 on DVI |
| 11:31.06 | Kingsy_DEB | babilen: yep, but only one is displayed. the other monitor is blank.. |
| 11:31.15 | Kingsy_DEB | 1 sec I will try out the propriety driver now |
| 11:31.16 | babilen | Kingsy_DEB: Note that you have to (re)move your /etc/X11/xorg.conf if you want to use the nvidia driver |
| 11:31.27 | Kingsy_DEB | yeah doing it now |
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| 11:35.56 | megha | its used to build packages in a clean sandbox env without hurting the installed system |
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| 11:36.09 | megha | whats the name of the package which helps in doing this ? |
| 11:37.03 | Kingsy_DEB | brb then :D |
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| 11:39.08 | babilen | megha: cowbuilder, pbuilder |
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| 11:41.32 | Kingsy | babilen: ok, so after installation and reboot, xorg doesnt start at all, it says fatal error, no screens found. |
| 11:42.00 | Kingsy | babilen: could that be because there is no mention of a screens in 20-nvidia.conf ? |
| 11:42.46 | babilen | Kingsy: No, and your card /is/ support by the driver in wheezy (you are running wheezy aren't you?) |
| 11:43.26 | babilen | Kingsy: Check /var/log/Xorg.0.log please -- did you reboot and did you also made sure to remove any other Xorg configuration files? |
| 11:43.39 | babilen | Kingsy: (cf. ftp://download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86/304.48/README/README.txt) |
| 11:44.03 | Kingsy | babilen: yes I restarted.. and yes I am running wheezy |
| 11:44.17 | Kingsy | and yeah I removed the old xorg.xconf |
| 11:44.21 | Kingsy | xorg.conf* |
| 11:44.22 | babilen | s/48/64/ |
| 11:44.33 | babilen | Kingsy: Ok, what's in the log? |
| 11:44.53 | babilen | Kingsy: I'll be off for lunch soonish though :-/ |
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| 11:44.56 | monaco | brb! |
| 11:45.18 | Kingsy | babilen: http://paste.debian.net/235186/ |
| 11:45.59 | babilen | Kingsy: Well, you obviously made a mistake when you created the configuration file. (Parse error on line 4 of section Device in file /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-nvidia.conf) |
| 11:46.03 | JeffJohnson | do I have to add dependencies for eg basic utils grep, bash, debianutils to a debian package? Or is it common to don't add depedencies for this basic packages because they are always installed? |
| 11:46.09 | RaminNietzsche | hi. when i use df -h, that say my var is full (18 G) and when i used du -sch, that say i used only 3.8 G of /var! but my webserver dosent work :( |
| 11:46.10 | babilen | Kingsy: Double check that one again and restart Xorg |
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| 11:46.14 | Kingsy | yeah.. I cant see a mistake there.. |
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| 11:46.26 | babilen | Kingsy: Paste the configuration file and I'll tell you |
| 11:46.46 | Kingsy | lol yes I did |
| 11:46.48 | Kingsy | damn |
| 11:47.01 | Kingsy | there was a ' at the end of the file for some reason.. |
| 11:49.54 | babilen | Kingsy: so, what now? |
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| 11:50.12 | Kingsy | seems to boot into xorg just fine :D |
| 11:50.28 | babilen | Kingsy: Ok, what about the screens? |
| 11:50.56 | Kingsy | babilen: still blank damn |
| 11:51.17 | Kingsy | the nvidia X server settings app sees the monitor too, but the light on the monitor is just flashing... |
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| 11:51.38 | babilen | Kingsy: Is that the TV connected via HDMI ? |
| 11:51.46 | Kingsy | yep |
| 11:52.03 | babilen | Does it work on other boxes? |
| 11:52.09 | Kingsy | its not a TV, just a monitor. |
| 11:52.37 | Kingsy | yeah I am pretty certain, it worked about an hour ago when this pc had xubuntu on it |
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| 11:52.50 | ChrisH | RaminNietzsche: seems to be an unlinked or more probable a sparse file. If possible increase /var or create a special lvol for your webserver. |
| 11:53.36 | Kingsy | let me double check by swapping the wires round. |
| 11:53.59 | babilen | Kingsy: Ah, sorry. Simply assumed it would be a TV because it uses TV resolution (but I forgot that a lot of screens on the market use that resolution because the customer wants FULL HD and not a sensible resolution like 1920x1200) |
| 11:54.47 | babilen | Kingsy: Would you mind showing me the current "xrandr -q" output again? |
| 11:54.53 | Kingsy | ah, the monitor is faulty |
| 11:55.01 | babilen | \o/ ... err ... :( |
| 11:55.20 | Kingsy | it doesnt work if you swap the wires over.. but the first one works with both outputs. |
| 11:55.22 | Kingsy | damn |
| 11:55.28 | babilen | indeed |
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| 11:56.01 | babilen | Kingsy: Get it repaired / Try Ubuntu again. It /might/ still be a software problem, but I'd rather be certain that the hardware works before continuing this. |
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| 11:56.57 | Kingsy | hmm its burst itno life again.. |
| 11:57.09 | Kingsy | pull the power, plugged it back in.. they both work..4 |
| 11:57.14 | RaminNietzsche | ChrisH: but i cant't file any big file! |
| 11:57.16 | Kingsy | looks like its on its way outt. |
| 11:57.32 | babilen | Kingsy: A miracle! |
| 11:57.36 | Kingsy | lool |
| 11:57.45 | Kingsy | man, I really cant type today. |
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| 12:01.01 | Kingsy | babilen: all is good, thanks for your help |
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| 12:02.18 | babilen | Kingsy: You are welcome - Enjoy! :) |
| 12:03.12 | megha | babilen: :) |
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| 12:03.48 | megha | babilen: is sandbox there in linux . |
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| 12:04.30 | _DomY-Dom | Hello, I have a Debian dedicated server, and GRUB seemed to have messed up, I can connect to my server in Netboot. How do I repair it and then reboot it in bootlocal ? |
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| 12:07.12 | mvt007geek | i want to do a benchmark yaffs filesystem.i use a simulator to mount it in my pc. but i don't know if iozone can do that because of simulator or not. |
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| 12:08.20 | Towzzer | domy, you can reinstall grub, check google I haven't done it in a long time |
| 12:09.49 | babilen | dpkg: tell _DomY-Dom -about fixmbr |
| 12:09.57 | babilen | mvt007geek: try bonnie++ |
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| 12:11.07 | mvt007geek | babilen: is it a command? |
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| 12:13.33 | jargon | i've got issues getting bluetooth working. followed this guide: http://wiki.debian.org/BluetoothUser and the command `hcitool dev` comes up empty. so obviously something went wrong here. anybody know what? |
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| 12:16.20 | mvt007geek | babilen: but is it good to use for filesystems? all i want to know is this: can iozone do test on a file-system which "'is not mounted anywhere and if i want to mount it i should use simulator "" ? if the answer is yes how can i show the file system to iozone via command? |
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| 12:16.48 | Towzzer | would a simulator reduce the quality of a benchmark? |
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| 12:17.49 | mvt007geek | Towzzer: i heard that filesystem should exist in the system then you umount it |
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| 12:18.41 | mvt007geek | Towzzer: but i only have the sourcecode of the filesystem on my desktop aand when ever i want it i use simulator to mount it into /mnt . |
| 12:19.07 | mvt007geek | can i do benchmark with this situation? |
| 12:19.40 | babilen | mvt007geek: I mentioned it before and can only repeat it: I have no idea about yaffs |
| 12:19.47 | Towzzer | I don't know, I've didn't know there was a simluator for filesystems |
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| 12:20.40 | Towzzer | are you down with |oop, yeah you know me |
| 12:20.50 | mvt007geek | babilen: forget the name yaffs. just think about it as a filesystem. |
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| 12:21.46 | xeon-enouf | abrotman: et al; i installed 'rdesktop' pkg, and all is well. I am able to access the system remotely, .. however i have other issues concerning access to hyper-v manager; perhaps i can resolve them - will update later today |
| 12:22.29 | babilen | mvt007geek: Yeah, my recommendation is still the same: use bonnie++ -- I haven't used iozone before and cannot comment on it. |
| 12:23.16 | babilen | (it might be better or worse or equally suited to the task than bonnie++, but I wouldn't know) |
| 12:23.20 | ChrisH | RaminNietzsche: I just verified it, du does not see any unlinked file |
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| 12:25.13 | mvt007geek | babilen: so you are sure that bonni++ will benchmark my filesystem even it is not mounted? |
| 12:25.24 | mvt007geek | and use simulator? |
| 12:25.32 | Bonieky | Hi everyone.. Good Morning! (Or afternoon/evening) |
| 12:25.46 | ChrisH | RaminNietzsche: cd /var and run "lsof -a +L ." |
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| 12:27.42 | ChrisH | RaminNietzsche: check http://paste.debian.net/235200/ |
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| 12:31.57 | babilen | mvt007geek: I used it successfully to compare different filesystems on the same physical device. Have a look at it (and iozone) and read their documentation. |
| 12:32.05 | babilen | mvt007geek: And no, I am not sure |
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| 12:34.44 | ilon__ | I'm having trouble with ifdown, it does not bring down the interface correctly, even after a ifdown et0 it responds to traffic. |
| 12:36.32 | shpank | ilon__: is this interface maybe assigned to a bridge? |
| 12:36.53 | ilon__ | shpank: not that i know |
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| 12:37.07 | ilon__ | shpank: its a stock debian 6.0.6 installation |
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| 12:37.55 | Towzzer | can you paste bin your interfaces file sir? |
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| 12:39.04 | ilon__ | Towzzer, shpank: http://pastie.org/6211940 |
| 12:40.06 | Towzzer | something wrong, |
| 12:40.14 | Towzzer | you have two default gateways |
| 12:40.43 | Towzzer | but the same, I think you want to remove the gateway line in eth1 |
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| 12:41.08 | ilon__ | Towzzer: true, sloppy copy-paste |
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| 12:42.52 | ilon__ | Towzzer: actually, without the second gateway on eth1, wouldnt it render eth1 unreachable on ifdown eth0? |
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| 12:43.10 | ilon__ | Towzzer: since it would no longer have a default gateway? |
| 12:43.36 | ilon__ | Towzzer: since ifdown removes the gateway associated with the interface. |
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| 12:44.01 | ronny | hi again |
| 12:44.37 | Towzzer | yes ilon, but that's how it is |
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| 12:44.53 | Towzzer | i mean you could have a route added as a default gw if you if up eth1 |
| 12:44.57 | Towzzer | i mean ifdown eth0 |
| 12:45.02 | ilon__ | Towzzer: but if i do have the same gateway on both interfaces, it should work? |
| 12:45.11 | Towzzer | yeah it should, I just look for strange things |
| 12:45.14 | Towzzer | just to make sure |
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| 12:45.38 | ilon__ | true, could allways add a line for adding the gateway when ifdowning any interface. |
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| 12:48.49 | ronny | hi |
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| 12:49.06 | Towzzer | hi ronny |
| 12:49.38 | ronny | is there a way to get recent kernels on debian that have firmware stuff for devices working, i discovered that my webcam trouble was cause of running a newer kernel than the one provided in testing |
| 12:50.05 | amoxibos | hello where can i obtain virtual machines/appliances for Linux distros? |
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| 12:52.56 | mvt007geek | when i want to benchmark my os file systems with iozone...and i have for example 3 kind of filesytem .and i just want to benchmark one of them.how should i tell this to iozone?will iozone do this? how iozone seperate the results of each filesystem? |
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| 13:01.12 | alami | hello , i try to login into a debian machine wich thightvnc, but on windows machin i have real vnc |
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| 13:01.23 | alami | is that possible |
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| 13:01.28 | echo083 | hello |
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| 13:01.46 | echo083 | 4TB harddisk are supported on debian squeeze or wheezy ? |
| 13:02.09 | ChrisH | alami: vnc is not active by default. You need some work done. |
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| 13:02.34 | Sm0ke0ut | echo083: it's more depending on your BIOS/hardware |
| 13:03.04 | echo083 | Sm0ke0ut, i'm my motherboard support it then i'll have no problem with debian ? |
| 13:03.05 | alami | ChrisH: i have do everything(set up passwd, and start the service |
| 13:03.14 | echo083 | Sm0ke0ut, /i'm/if/ |
| 13:03.33 | Sm0ke0ut | for squeeze/wheezy: yes :) |
| 13:04.18 | echo083 | Sm0ke0ut, oh thanks :) |
| 13:04.21 | ChrisH | alami: From my experience most VNC server/client combination work, as long as no MacOS vncserver is involved |
| 13:04.47 | alami | ChrisH: i don't know why not with me |
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| 13:05.29 | ChrisH | alami: How did you start yout vncserver on the debian side? |
| 13:05.59 | alami | only by typing tightvncserver |
| 13:06.04 | alami | on the Terminal |
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| 13:09.15 | DummyMode | god morning |
| 13:09.20 | Towzzer | hail god |
| 13:09.21 | abrotman | xeon-enouf: i thought you wanted to run the manager on Windows? Am I mistaken? |
| 13:09.45 | xeon-enouf | abrotman: no you are not |
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| 13:10.03 | xeon-enouf | wait |
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| 13:10.17 | xeon-enouf | on windows? == ? |
| 13:10.37 | ChrisH | alami: please paste the output to paste.debian.net LC_ALL=C netstat -anp | grep |
| 13:10.40 | ChrisH | alami: please paste the output to paste.debian.net LC_ALL=C netstat -anp | grep vnc |
| 13:11.09 | xeon-enouf | abrotman: i allow only linux internet access here (from LAN) |
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| 13:12.34 | xeon-enouf | abrotman: i do have XP available on LAN, but i won't allow it inet access; so i don't even mention it' |
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| 13:19.05 | xeon-enouf | my problem seems to be that i cannot find the path to launch the hyper-v manager; I'm used to seeing a shortcut on the desktop, and i even inspected it's $PATH (while at host) -- i cannot recall EXACTness though, it was something like; %windir%\system32\mmc.exe "%ProgramFiles%\hyper-v\vvicsc*" something like that |
| 13:19.40 | xeon-enouf | mmc = ms management console; i know that too |
| 13:19.55 | deepy | it's probably .msc |
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| 13:20.22 | alami | ChrisH:http://pastebin.com/GQKvsRVA |
| 13:20.24 | xeon-enouf | what is "it"? |
| 13:20.29 | abrotman | it's it! |
| 13:20.37 | deepy | the last part of your ProgramFiles line |
| 13:20.44 | xeon-enouf | is is is? |
| 13:20.52 | deepy | Or powershell |
| 13:20.53 | xeon-enouf | ok |
| 13:21.12 | xeon-enouf | no, it's the shortcut path i gleaned |
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| 13:22.19 | ExeciN | Can I install debian from a firewire disk to a firewire disk? |
| 13:22.21 | xeon-enouf | should i ask in a ##windows channel? |
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| 13:22.36 | abrotman | xeon-enouf: isn't this a VMWare thing? they do have a channel on freenode |
| 13:22.41 | xeon-enouf | ExeciN: i don't see why not |
| 13:22.47 | xeon-enouf | abrotman: nope |
| 13:22.57 | xeon-enouf | abrotman: not vmware |
| 13:22.59 | abrotman | ah okay |
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| 13:24.13 | xeon-enouf | purely ME (linux) --> remoteAccess -> Windows2008 server and accessing Hyper-V disks |
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| 13:25.10 | xeon-enouf | i have limited access; but i *should* be able to launch hyper-v manager |
| 13:25.38 | abrotman | so there's no Debian involved? |
| 13:25.54 | xeon-enouf | abrotman: i'm running debian here :-P |
| 13:25.57 | xeon-enouf | dumbass |
| 13:26.00 | xeon-enouf | :-P |
| 13:26.09 | Devastator | hum.. |
| 13:26.11 | abrotman | ME is Windows! |
| 13:26.12 | alami | why i'm Unable to connect to VNC server |
| 13:26.25 | alami | xtightvncviewer: ConnectToTcpAddr: connect: Connection timed out |
| 13:26.38 | xeon-enouf | purely ME == Myself |
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| 13:27.00 | xeon-enouf | i put (linux) even in therre |
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| 13:29.04 | xeon-enouf | one sec |
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| 13:31.27 | ChrisH | alami: you have 6 VNC server process running. What happens if you connect from windows? to one of these many vncs running on ports 5901-5903 or 6001-6004 |
| 13:32.05 | alami | ChrisH: i have kill all of them |
| 13:32.09 | alami | and start a new one |
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| 13:34.19 | alami | ChrisH: debian is a new install, i thing there isn't any iptables |
| 13:34.51 | jargon | how do i check if i have bluetooth drivers installed? |
| 13:35.45 | ChrisH | alami: check using iptables -L -n |
| 13:36.26 | ExeciN | How can I put the debian installer on a firewire disk and make it bootable? |
| 13:36.29 | abrotman | jargon: you have at least one installed .. may not be the one you need |
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| 13:37.42 | ChrisH | ExeciN: you want to onstall from a firewire disk? If yes I assume the same way as you to it with an USB Stick. cat image.iso > /dev/sdX replace X with your device like sdb _not_ sdb1 |
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| 13:38.01 | jargon | abrotman: i'm trying to get bluetooth working and my googling reveals it might be a driver problem. how do i know which bluetooth driver is installed? |
| 13:38.32 | alami | ChrisH -bash: iptables: command not found |
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| 13:39.25 | ChrisH | jargon: wrong approch. Find out which BT device you have and then search for the corresponding module. |
| 13:39.36 | alami | ChrisH http://pastebin.com/sPQ0gqrU here is the error |
| 13:39.53 | jargon | ChrisH: ok how do i find out which bt i've got? |
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| 13:42.00 | ChrisH | alami: check the port used |
| 13:42.09 | alami | ChrisH:how |
| 13:42.12 | ChrisH | jargon: lsusb might be a starting point |
| 13:42.29 | ChrisH | alami: I have no idea on the windows side |
| 13:42.45 | alami | ChrisH: i work now only with debian both side |
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| 13:43.16 | ChrisH | alami: didn't you tell me about windows and real vnc? |
| 13:43.40 | alami | ChrisH: i have change for test, now i can be sure |
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| 13:43.48 | ChrisH | alami: run xtightvncviewer localhost |
| 13:43.49 | alami | if i use two debian machine |
| 13:44.06 | ChrisH | alami: or xtightvncviewer remotename_or_IP |
| 13:44.07 | alami | do you mean on the vncserver machine |
| 13:44.14 | alami | yes |
| 13:44.24 | alami | when i run xtightvncviewer remotename_or_IP |
| 13:44.34 | alami | i get this http://pastebin.com/sPQ0gqrU |
| 13:45.01 | ChrisH | alami: It makes thing complicated if you change parameter like used clients whithout saying. |
| 13:45.34 | ChrisH | alami: please allways add the command itself |
| 13:45.34 | alami | ChrisH: sorry i havn't think about that |
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| 13:46.18 | alami | http://pastebin.com/iK0FmxYR |
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| 13:47.15 | ChrisH | alami: OK. ping 10.0.1.146 does work? |
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| 13:47.32 | Spektral | type it lol |
| 13:47.36 | alami | yes |
| 13:47.58 | alami | ChrisH: yes ping work |
| 13:47.59 | ExeciN | what are all those different iso files? http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.6/amd64/bt-cd/ |
| 13:48.13 | abrotman | different package sets |
| 13:48.22 | abrotman | if you have broadband, use the 200MB netinst |
| 13:48.29 | ChrisH | alami: fine. on 10.0.1.146 please run LC_ALL=C netstat -anp | grep vnc and show me the output |
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| 13:50.16 | Spektral | ok so i got this nice motd i made for my vps |
| 13:50.17 | Spektral | http://pastebin.com/uyeFGhjr |
| 13:50.25 | Spektral | it looks great to me, just 1 prob |
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| 13:50.55 | Spektral | when 1 of the system info changes, say it goes from 1 user, to 2users, and adds that extra chr, it pushes the + at the right side back 1 |
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| 13:51.20 | Spektral | i have it surrounding the info in a box of +, and the right side has like 1 or 2 that will move a few spaces outta line |
| 13:51.52 | alami | ChrisH: http://pastebin.com/wBU9H43i |
| 13:51.59 | Spektral | cuz of like specs changing, so i know how to count how many chrs are in something, is there a way to use sometype of bash code to move that + that gets moved, X spaces +/- ? |
| 13:52.40 | Spektral | some kinda cmd or w/e that i could use on it after oding the calc of knowing if it needs to be moved 1 space to the left or right or a few spaces, depending on the math |
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| 13:52.46 | Spektral | but really i just need the way to move it |
| 13:52.48 | Spektral | ? |
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| 13:54.00 | ChrisH | alami: there are again 2 VNC proceesses visible. So now run on bt: xtightvncviewer 10.0.1.146:6001 and/or xtightvncviewer 10.0.1.146:5901 |
| 13:54.36 | ChrisH | alami: its only 1 VNC process PID 1870, but it listens on both ports. |
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| 13:55.57 | alami | ChrisH: tahnks alot not ot work |
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| 13:56.33 | alami | but when i run tightvncserver i get two session? |
| 13:56.55 | alami | and when i run ps -A |grep vnc i see only one session and with cmd i see two |
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| 13:57.39 | abcdefg_ | How does apt update exactly works? Does it do partial http requests for downloading the deb flle headers? I mean, such a deb file can be quite big, how can apt find out, what metadata (version) is associated with it? |
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| 13:57.48 | abcdefg_ | Is there also an apt library btw? |
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| 13:58.23 | rozie | abcdefg_: what headers? |
| 13:58.51 | jelly | abcdefg_: apt _is_ primarily a library. apt-get is, well, was supposed to be a sample client. |
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| 13:59.06 | ImEunify | i was going to ask what he meant by headers also. |
| 14:00.04 | jelly | abcdefg_: the metadata, including details from package control files is stored separately in the repo, in those "Packages" files you see apt-get update download |
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| 14:00.20 | abcdefg_ | ah |
| 14:00.27 | jelly | abcdefg_: they end up in /var/lib/apt/lists/ on your machine |
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| 14:01.13 | abcdefg_ | because somehow apt-get update needs to know what versions the packages on remote have? |
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| 14:01.36 | abcdefg_ | so the metadata (including the version) are files separately stored from the deb files |
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| 14:01.50 | abrotman | it has man pages ... |
| 14:02.03 | abcdefg_ | right |
| 14:02.11 | abcdefg_ | "apt-get is, well, was supposed to be a sample client" |
| 14:02.18 | abcdefg_ | so apt-get was an accident? |
| 14:02.25 | abrotman | read the man pages .. these are basic questions |
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| 14:08.44 | Anon436 | Hello? |
| 14:08.53 | dvs | zzzzzzzzz |
| 14:09.05 | Anon436 | lol - I'm new, and sort of lost. |
| 14:09.10 | Spektral | any idea on my motd issue? |
| 14:09.16 | Anon436 | motd? |
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| 14:09.34 | babilen | Anon436: Do you need help with Debian? |
| 14:09.56 | Anon436 | What is Debian exactly - I just clicked on a random channel - thanks for asking. |
| 14:10.10 | abrotman | Anon436: www.debian.org has a bit to read if you're interested |
| 14:10.11 | Spektral | yea i wrote a motd, adn it works fine, i just have 1 small thing i wanna edit |
| 14:10.24 | Spektral | and im sure theres a cmd i could use to do what i want, but not sure what it is |
| 14:10.30 | babilen | Anon436: Debian is a Linux distribution: See http://www.debian.org/ and Wikipedia for further information. |
| 14:10.58 | Spektral | its one of the main linux distributions, Anon436, good shit |
| 14:11.13 | babilen | Spektral: Well, you need something that generates the message with proper spacing. I would probably write it in Python, but then I don't know your preferences |
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| 14:11.30 | Spektral | well ive already wrote the whole thing in bash |
| 14:11.32 | Spektral | i pastedbined it |
| 14:11.40 | Spektral | http://pastebin.com/uyeFGhjr |
| 14:11.50 | babilen | ugh, pastebin.com :) |
| 14:11.54 | Spektral | looks great works great, just kinda ocd about the right line |
| 14:12.01 | Spektral | i have it kinda in a box of +++ the info |
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| 14:12.13 | Spektral | and some info changes adds/removes a chr or 2 times times |
| 14:12.19 | Anon436 | Ooh, I've always been interested in software - but I'm afraid I don't have much experience. Thanks, anyways, Babilen. :) |
| 14:12.24 | Spektral | liek "1 user," or "2 users," |
| 14:12.28 | babilen | Spektral: Use http://paste.debian.net or another pastebin without ads in the future please :) -- You might want to ask in #bash on how to properly format strings as they are more likely to know :) |
| 14:12.33 | Spektral | and that will push that + at the end fof the line |
| 14:12.42 | Spektral | kk |
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| 14:12.55 | babilen | Anon436: You can easily give it a try if you want to. Either way: Have a good day :) |
| 14:13.03 | babilen | dpkg: tell Anon436 -about irc tutorial |
| 14:13.12 | Anon436 | Thanks, :) - hope you work it out, Spektral. :) |
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| 14:13.28 | Anon436 | irc? |
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| 14:15.02 | babilen | Anon436: Yes, this is IRC (Internet Relay Chat) -- and please don't take it wrongly: But this is a support channel and your questions are not really on-topic here. So either join an offtopic channel such as #defocus or #debian-offtopic or read the IRC tutorial and find a chat channel on another network. |
| 14:15.05 | Spektral | thx babilen |
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| 14:15.57 | babilen | Spektral: I understand your problem, but I would have solved it in a language in which I know how to easily format strings. I recommend to ask #bash on how to solve this as this is, essentially, a bash problem. |
| 14:16.15 | Spektral | i did |
| 14:16.18 | Spektral | waiting |
| 14:16.39 | Spektral | and ive used other langs too, but i just kinda felt like doing this in bash, been a while since i did a good bash script |
| 14:17.18 | ChrisH | alami: my client reconnected and I needed to focus on other things. Do you stil have issues with vnc? I normally use vncserver to start |
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| 14:19.35 | alami | ChrisH:yes |
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| 14:20.00 | opr | hey all, if an application is started as root but drops privileges, would the user running the process still show as root in ps -aux ? or should it change the username? |
| 14:20.41 | alami | ChrisH: is the same i thing there isn't any diferrence between vnc4server or tightvncserver or also x11vnc |
| 14:20.54 | opr | root 24238 0.0 0.4 30236 4556 ? S 14:17 0:00 /home/ircd/Unreal3.2.10/src/ircd - but I've configured it to drop to the user "ircd" after it is running (i think) |
| 14:21.28 | alami | but why with ps -A | grep vnc and netstat aux | grep vnc |
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| 14:21.55 | alami | i can't see open session like LC_ALL=C netstat -anp | grep vnc |
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| 14:23.42 | alami | ChrisH: and why when i run tightvncserver i get 2 open serssion |
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| 14:40.04 | ChrisH | x11vnc does a differnet thing. it provides vnc access to an already running X with DE. |
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| 14:42.47 | abcdefg_ | I want to specify a preseed file. |
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| 14:42.53 | abcdefg_ | So I mounted the debian netinst iso |
| 14:43.05 | abcdefg_ | and now the installer should somehow find out that there is also a preseed file |
| 14:43.10 | abcdefg_ | I guess pxe is necessary for this, right? |
| 14:44.29 | _DomY-Dom | Hello, I have a Debian dedicated server and GRUB messed up, how do I fix it in Netboot mode and then reboot it in bootlocal ? |
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| 14:45.21 | abrotman | !ig |
| 14:45.21 | dpkg | The Installation Guide for Debian 6.0 "Squeeze" can be found at http://www.debian.org/releases/squeeze/installmanual . See also <errata> <firmware images> <installer firmware> <release notes>. |
| 14:45.21 | Towzzer | domy- you need to do a grub install on the drive where it got messed up |
| 14:45.24 | babilen | abcdefg_: No, not necessarily: See http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/apbs02.html.en#preseed-loading for details. You can, for example, put it on a USB stick. I only ever used it with netboot, but then .. |
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| 14:47.30 | _DomY-Dom | babilen: Don't have access to the server (physically). Towzzer "grub install" does nothing in rescue mode |
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| 14:51.32 | larst | Hi all |
| 14:51.37 | Towzzer | hi |
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| 14:53.13 | Kingsy | babilen: ok, everything is working great, but I am experiencing some really weird character spacing in my xfce4 terminal. Some characters are far apart and some overlap. Have you heard of this before? |
| 14:53.21 | Kingsy | I have tried changing the font.. |
| 14:53.25 | Kingsy | no luck. |
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| 14:55.22 | babilen | Kingsy: Try using a monospaced font (e.g. Terminus) |
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| 15:00.02 | aeroot | when doing a scan with iwlist there seems to be a kind of "cache", it is delayed when the APs change... how can i fix this? |
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| 15:05.59 | Kingsy | babilen: yep you were right, monospace works like a charm |
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| 15:07.27 | babilen | Kingsy: :) |
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| 15:07.55 | rccc | hello |
| 15:08.09 | rccc | Is there a channel dedicated to the nextstable ( wheezy ) |
| 15:08.26 | kaveli | rccc: #debian-next |
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| 15:09.56 | petn-randall | Hi, a packaging question: Is it possible to have a post-inst hook for another package? e.g. our company's daemon starts a few instances of libreoffice, and whenever libreoffice gets upgraded, we want to restart the daemon. |
| 15:09.56 | daemonkeeper | (on OFTC) |
| 15:10.15 | daemonkeeper | petn-randall: You want to look at triggers. |
| 15:11.22 | petn-randall | daemonkeeper: Thanks, that's the keyword I was looking for, found the docs to it. |
| 15:11.44 | rccc | kaveli: thanks |
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| 15:12.21 | kaveli | rccc: http://wiki.debian.org/IRC may be useful in case you're looking for more. |
| 15:12.58 | daemonkeeper | petn-randall: http://www.seanius.net/blog/2009/09/dpkg-triggers-howto/ |
| 15:13.07 | steven1234 | I have a headless server(no X installed) and I'm logged into this server over SSH. Now I would like to run an application in this server which requires X server. Is it possible to run this application in my desktop machine over SSH? If yes, how is this feature called? |
| 15:13.40 | daemonkeeper | X forwarding. |
| 15:13.43 | daemonkeeper | ssh -X |
| 15:14.05 | daemonkeeper | For better/more sophisticated stuff, use VNC or xpra. |
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| 15:17.49 | Kingsy | babilen: hrm, this is going to take some getting used to.. I have just installed apache for example... for some reason I don't have permission to read /var/log/apache2/*.log permission denied. I have checked and the owner of the dir is --> drw-r--r-- 2 www-data adm 4096 Feb 18 14:44 apache2 |
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| 15:18.28 | Kingsy | babilen: and according to /etc/group --> www-data:x:33:chris <-- I am "chris" so why shouldnt I be able to read? |
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| 15:18.45 | Kingsy | r-- is guest anyway... I should be able to read that folder regardless. |
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| 15:19.33 | jelly | Kingsy: did you log off and back on after adding yourself to the group? |
| 15:19.46 | Kingsy | jelly: yup rebooted |
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| 15:20.18 | Kingsy | I needed to check to see if lightdm was workiung anyways, so it was an excuse to reboot |
| 15:20.19 | daemonkeeper | Kingsy: You want to be in group adm, not www-data in order to read Apache logs. |
| 15:20.20 | jelly | Kingsy: your directory is missing executable permissions. |
| 15:20.21 | tubaman | Kingsy, if it's a directory you'll also need 'x' perms |
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| 15:20.39 | Kingsy | ah I see |
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| 15:20.42 | Kingsy | DOH |
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| 15:21.18 | hfont | Anyone really good with creating custom initrd's and syslinux? |
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| 15:21.24 | babilen | Kingsy: note daemonkeeper's comment |
| 15:21.38 | Pei | linuxthefish`: the operating system with a CLUE... Command Line User Environment |
| 15:21.47 | Pei | damn nick complete |
| 15:21.51 | Pei | that';s supposed to read |
| 15:22.01 | Pei | linuxthefish`- the operating system with a CLUE... Command Line User Environment |
| 15:22.07 | Pei | fucking nick complete |
| 15:22.07 | tubaman | Kingsy, default debian perms: drwxr-x--- 2 root adm 4096 Feb 17 07:35 /var/log/apache2/ |
| 15:22.50 | idimmu | those permissions look quite wrong |
| 15:22.55 | idimmu | unless your apache instance runs as root? |
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| 15:23.06 | Pei | heh |
| 15:23.31 | idimmu | drwxr-x--- 2 root adm 372736 2013-02-17 06:32 apache2 |
| 15:23.33 | idimmu | oh wait, same as mine |
| 15:23.42 | idimmu | goes back to sleep |
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| 15:24.41 | dvs | drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 Feb 17 06:28 apache2 |
| 15:24.50 | tubaman | pats idimmu on the head |
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| 15:25.14 | mirco | I've an old 2Ghz G5 with wheezy, hadn't used it in a while. So I ran "aptitude safe-upgrade" but after the upgrade GTK seems to be broken! After Googling I found that it might be a prob in libcairo… I have uninstalled all the GTK stuff und removed /etc/gtk and /etc/gdm but after reinstallation of GDM3 the prob is still there! Here's a pic http://imagepaste.nullnetwork.net/viewimage.php?id=5699 |
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| 15:26.16 | mirco | Hope you have a hint, don't wanna reinstall just because of that damn GUI prob! |
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| 15:29.42 | Pei | wheezy |
| 15:29.47 | Pei | wheeze |
| 15:29.47 | Pei | s |
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| 15:31.38 | Pei | isn't safe-upgrade supposed to be "safe" and NOT break things? |
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| 15:31.49 | Kingsy | yeah I got it, you guys were right, there was no r-x <-- |
| 15:31.50 | Kingsy | :D |
| 15:31.53 | Kingsy | works fine now |
| 15:32.08 | Pei | Kingsy: WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! |
| 15:32.18 | Pei | HOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO HOOO HOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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| 15:32.34 | Kingsy | wow |
| 15:32.37 | Pei | sorry... sorry... got alittle excited there |
| 15:32.40 | Kingsy | bounces up and down |
| 15:33.13 | tubaman | Pei, safe-upgrade tries to ensure that you don't get into a state where you have package dependency issues. |
| 15:33.30 | tubaman | ...but if there's a bug in a single package, safe-upgrade won't help you there |
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| 15:35.29 | babilen | Kingsy: And once again: You want to be a member of the adm group and not necessarily www-data |
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| 15:36.44 | Kingsy | babilen: hrm yeah I am not a member of that group, what is it for? I assume you don't need to be by default. |
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| 15:39.14 | Nik05 | Kingsy ofcourse users shouldnt be in adm as default :P |
| 15:39.30 | babilen | Kingsy: In short: Being a member in that group allows you to read logs. See /usr/share/doc/base-passwd/users-and-groups.txt.gz for further details |
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| 15:39.45 | Kingsy | thanks |
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| 15:40.06 | ubuntuw1204 | can i use debian on new laptops? |
| 15:40.11 | sgn | -sn 127339 127301 |
| 15:40.12 | babilen | Kingsy: so I hope that you didn't fiddle with the permissions as you should be able to read logs just fine if you are a member of adm |
| 15:40.17 | sgn | crap |
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| 15:40.52 | Kingsy | babilen: well, I altered the permissions of /var/log/apache2/ to 755 |
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| 15:41.03 | babilen | ubuntuw1204: not everything might be supported, but that holds true for every Linux distribution. Could you paste the output of "lspci -n" to http://paste.debian.net so I can check? |
| 15:41.10 | Kingsy | I didnt add myself to adm tho |
| 15:41.20 | dvs | reads Kingsy's logs |
| 15:42.17 | babilen | Kingsy: I wouldn't do that. Just make sure you are a member of adm and don't fiddle with permissions. There is typically a certain logic behind permissions and you should ask yourself if you are doing something wrong before you alter them. Also note that daemonkeeper noted adm some time ago (and I pointed it out twice now) |
| 15:42.35 | Arrowmaster | ubuntuw1204: you should probably use the wheezy rc1 installer instead of squeeze for a newer laptop |
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| 15:42.54 | Kingsy | babilen: right yeah.. :S |
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| 15:43.40 | Nik05 | oh nice rc1 release yesterday |
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| 15:43.57 | dvs | rc1 of what? |
| 15:43.58 | babilen | Arrowmaster: That still doesn't mean that /new/ hardware is supported. It typically takes some weeks/months/.. for hardware support to appear, so really really new hardware (as in released last week) might not be supported. |
| 15:44.05 | babilen | dvs: debian-installer for wheezy |
| 15:44.07 | Nik05 | dvs of wheezy installer :D |
| 15:44.23 | dvs | oh! |
| 15:44.34 | dvs | no more betas! |
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| 15:45.01 | abcdefg_ | apt-cacher relies on apache? is there also a version which is standalone? can I use nginx instead? |
| 15:45.02 | babilen | There will be a RC2 soon, but yeah ... getting there. (the installer at least) |
| 15:45.08 | Kingsy | babilen: so, in order to return my /var/log/apache2/ dir to normality, what are the default perms sorry? |
| 15:45.15 | babilen | abcdefg_: Take a look at apt-cacher-ng and approx |
| 15:45.20 | Arrowmaster | abcdefg_: there are mulitple similar programs |
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| 15:45.39 | dvs | But there's still 225 bugs to fix! |
| 15:46.25 | babilen | Kingsy: check your lastlog as idimmu mentioned it some time ago |
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| 15:46.34 | babilen | dvs: In the installer? |
| 15:47.15 | dvs | babilen: release critical bugs in Wheezy. |
| 15:47.27 | Kingsy | ok thanks |
| 15:47.55 | Nik05 | who decides what the priority of a package is? |
| 15:48.11 | Trewas | the wheezy kernel is already over a year old, so even that is not that great for supporting new hardware |
| 15:48.28 | babilen | dvs: ok, yeah. But how is that related to the installer? The installer could be done, final and bug free and we would still have to wait for RC bugs to be fixed. |
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| 15:48.57 | Kingsy | ok reset! :) |
| 15:49.00 | dvs | babilen: That sucks! Well, I guess that's some sore of progress. |
| 15:49.24 | abcdefg_ | Arrowmaster: where can I get a list? |
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| 15:49.59 | tuxhat | hey me still banned ? |
| 15:50.03 | tuxhat | oh im not |
| 15:50.06 | babilen | dvs: What sucks? |
| 15:50.15 | tuxhat | can u see this ? |
| 15:50.29 | babilen | abcdefg_: I've mentioned two tools -- you can also use squid for caching (see /msg dpkg approx, /msg dpkg apt-cacher-ng, ...) |
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| 15:50.35 | tuxhat | umm :-B so when umm wheezy gonna be stable eh ? |
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| 15:50.46 | babilen | dpkg: tell tuxhat -about wwwr |
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| 15:51.20 | dvs | babilen: That the release candidate is only for the installer and not for the entire release. |
| 15:52.06 | mirco | Pei: that was my hope too, sadly safe-upgrade didn't confirm that hope |
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| 15:52.15 | babilen | dvs: The installer was always independent of the release (in the sense that you can use the installer to install different releases, it is its own software with bugs, …) |
| 15:52.24 | Pei | mirco: :( |
| 15:52.37 | babilen | Well, not entirely independent as the release cycle is linked, but still |
| 15:52.46 | tuxhat | thanks man |
| 15:53.06 | tuxhat | wheezy is working good very stable and solid |
| 15:53.06 | babilen | tuxhat: I reckon: Soon (1-3 months) |
| 15:53.11 | Uuni | hi tuxhat |
| 15:53.17 | tuxhat | hey Uuni |
| 15:53.19 | mirco | tubaman: Pei: Any idea were libcairo and libgtk store additional file's? |
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| 15:53.36 | babilen | ubuntuw1204: Sorry, but did you paste your hardware information somewhere? |
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| 15:53.40 | Pei | mirco: sorry bro, i don;t use those libs :( |
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| 15:53.53 | tuxhat | i make a openbox / lxde distro call tux hat linux its based on wheezy debian |
| 15:54.05 | mirco | Pei so you're running KDE? |
| 15:54.32 | Pei | mirco: no i don't use debian for anything graphical |
| 15:54.39 | tuxhat | openbox #1 |
| 15:54.40 | Pei | just CLI |
| 15:54.59 | tuxhat | i use mainly netbsd in console |
| 15:55.08 | mirco | Pei: and on the Desktop? Win or Mac? |
| 15:55.20 | babilen | mirco: You are aware that you often need "dist-upgrade" on testing, aren't you? |
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| 15:55.43 | Pei | mirco: win, and slackware linux on my laptops |
| 15:55.53 | mirco | babilen: haven't had a testing for a while, thx for the hint |
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| 15:56.33 | mirco | Pei: I'm on Mac's and run debian Ubuntu or Voyage everywhere else... |
| 15:56.44 | babilen | mirco: I'd recommend to read aptitude's manpage to learn about the difference between "safe-upgrade" and "full-upgrade" |
| 15:57.12 | mirco | babilen: sure… ;-) |
| 15:57.19 | babilen | invites everybody who wants to discuss whatever is being used on whatever machine to #debian-offtopic |
| 15:57.34 | tuxhat | alright hey people check out www.youtube.com/user/tuxhat |
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| 15:57.50 | babilen | mirco: So, could you run "aptitude update ; aptitude search ~U" on the box in question please and paste the result to http://paste.debian.net ? |
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| 15:58.36 | dvs | now realizes wh tuxhat was banned. |
| 15:59.24 | jelly | you clicked it, fool? |
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| 16:00.52 | dvs | me? nope |
| 16:01.14 | abcdefg_ | so squid can increase performance for apt-cacher-ng? |
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| 16:02.16 | babilen | abcdefg_: No, you can also use squid for caching |
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| 16:02.28 | Pei | The 2.2 release in 2000 was dedicated to Joel Klecker, a developer who died of Duchenne muscular dystrophy. |
| 16:02.36 | Pei | from Debian on wikipedia |
| 16:02.38 | Pei | wow.... |
| 16:02.39 | mirco | babilen: there you go http://paste.debian.net/235264/ |
| 16:02.51 | Pei | that's neat dedication |
| 16:03.01 | Pei | has muscular dystrophy |
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| 16:05.14 | Pei | which is why i find it odd that the net cd install doesn't support wireless installation :( since some people with muscular dystrophy can;t get to the wired access points |
| 16:05.16 | mirco | Pei: Wow |
| 16:05.17 | abcdefg_ | so squid can be used standalone for the same thing as apt-cacher(-ng) is used |
| 16:05.31 | abcdefg_ | Pei is a bot or a troll? |
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| 16:05.40 | factor | How can I tell what cdrom a program is on in the cdrom repo , does it say along with the page data its on. |
| 16:05.46 | Pei | abcdefg_: what? |
| 16:05.51 | babilen | Pei: Wheezy installer support wireless configuration just fine (and squeeze's too, just only open and WEP networks) |
| 16:06.01 | ubuntuw1204 | Arrowmaster: will wheezy _rc1 be stable? |
| 16:06.08 | Pei | i couldn't get it to work babilen |
| 16:06.21 | Pei | it wouldn't ask me for my wireless info |
| 16:06.33 | babilen | mirco: Yeah, you might want to upgrade those. But I guess that everything gtk related has already been tempered with, so it is hard to say. |
| 16:06.41 | Pei | or detect my wireless RTL8188CE |
| 16:06.45 | dvs | babilen: I think Pei means the lack of firmware for wireless chips. |
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| 16:06.56 | Pei | :( |
| 16:07.12 | babilen | ubuntuw1204: It's what I would recommend to use. But still: Are you using Ubuntu now? Do you have a working internet connection during the installation? |
| 16:07.17 | mirco | babilen: I did right away... |
| 16:07.35 | babilen | Pei: You need firmware for that and you might need a newer kernel for hardware support. |
| 16:07.47 | ubuntuw1204 | babilen: yes am using ubuntu1204 but during install i don;t have internet |
| 16:08.02 | babilen | ubuntuw1204: Why don't you have internet? |
| 16:08.08 | Pei | i don't understand what "firmware" really means... |
| 16:08.15 | babilen | ubuntuw1204: Could you run "lspci -n" and paste the result to http://paste.debian.net ? |
| 16:08.16 | Pei | is it the same as driver? |
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| 16:08.39 | mirco | Pei: without a firmware you're won't be able to activate the device |
| 16:08.57 | babilen | Pei: "firmware" are binary blobs that are needed by the driver for certain hardware. You won't be able to use the device without firmware in most cases or the functionality is limited. |
| 16:09.07 | Pei | why do other distros detect my wireless card just fine.... |
| 16:09.29 | Nik05 | dont have the firmware? |
| 16:09.29 | babilen | Pei: Which is why you can either provide firmware during the installation on a removable medium or use installer images with firmware. Your particular wifi adaptor needs firmware. |
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| 16:09.30 | mirco | Pei: because they hav ethe closed source firmware on the medium's |
| 16:09.48 | Pei | hrm |
| 16:09.59 | babilen | Pei: Because they ship with the firmware. As firmware is non-free software it was removed from Debian's kernel. |
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| 16:10.16 | Pei | debian has it's own kernel... oic |
| 16:10.58 | Pei | but then how can i get it from other distro's without paying for it if it's non-free |
| 16:11.03 | Nik05 | Pei what wirelesscard do you have? |
| 16:11.03 | Pei | i must sound stupid |
| 16:11.07 | mirco | babilen: Any hint on how to continue |
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| 16:11.10 | Pei | but i;d really like to know |
| 16:11.11 | Nik05 | non-free doesnt mean non-gratis |
| 16:11.15 | Pei | oh |
| 16:11.21 | babilen | Pei: You can use the installer with firmware from http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/wheezy_di_rc1/ or download the firmware package from http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/firmware/wheezy/current/ and unpack it to an USB stick |
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| 16:11.25 | ubuntuw1204 | babilen: http://paste.debian.net/235266/ |
| 16:11.43 | Arrowmaster | ive never been able to get putting the firmware on a usb stick to work properly |
| 16:11.52 | babilen | Pei: You can then provide it during the installation. See additional information on http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 16:11.56 | Nik05 | Pei: debian has non-free packages, all of them are gratis |
| 16:11.56 | Arrowmaster | maybe i just suck at finding the proper directions |
| 16:11.57 | WormFood | where can I find the technical details on a USB device? Specifically, I want to see how my USB memory stick is configured, such as is it reporting it's self as a floppy drive, or a hard drive. |
| 16:12.06 | Nik05 | Pei: what wireless card do you have? |
| 16:12.15 | Pei | i have an RTL8188CE |
| 16:12.28 | Nik05 | firmware-realtek ;) |
| 16:12.31 | babilen | Arrowmaster: You simply unpack the .zip or .tar.gz to an USB stick -- the packages themselves should be there (or /lib/firmware/...) |
| 16:12.32 | Pei | :) |
| 16:12.44 | babilen | ubuntuw1204: Thanks, one second please. |
| 16:13.15 | Pei | so if i download this firmware-wheezy-DI-rc1-i386-netinst.iso will it support my card? |
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| 16:13.36 | babilen | ubuntuw1204: Yeah, that hardware is supported just fine on wheezy. Do you have a working internet connection during the installation? Do you know which desktop environment you would like to use? |
| 16:13.42 | babilen | Pei: Yes, it will |
| 16:13.48 | Nik05 | Pei: install firmware-realtek |
| 16:13.53 | Pei | babilen: :) yay!!!! |
| 16:13.54 | babilen | Pei: Which processor do you have? |
| 16:14.10 | Nik05 | or are you installing pei? |
| 16:14.44 | Pei | amd dual core 1.3ghz 64-bit processor |
| 16:14.45 | Poison | hi, I cannot open my usb on debian it shows this error: http://pastebin.com/5PE9793F how do I fix this? |
| 16:15.01 | Pei | Nik05: am i installing? |
| 16:15.03 | babilen | Pei: I would recommend to install amd64 in that case (64bit) |
| 16:15.06 | Pei | Nik05: what? |
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| 16:15.21 | babilen | Pei: Are you planning to install Debian or do you have it installed already? |
| 16:15.27 | Pei | babilen: but won't i need all 64bit packages in the future? |
| 16:15.38 | Pei | babilen: planning to in a few mins here |
| 16:15.46 | Nik05 | 64bit can also run 32bit |
| 16:15.59 | ubuntuw1204 | babilen: no working connection during install. i am used to gnome 2, which one would you suggest. Why wouldn't squeeze work on this laptop? |
| 16:15.59 | babilen | Pei: I don't quite understand your question. Yes, if you install amd64 you will use amd64 packages. |
| 16:16.46 | Pei | babilen: :( oh, but what about if i need to compile 32 bit apps?' |
| 16:17.00 | Nik05 | just compile them for 64bit :P |
| 16:17.06 | Pei | 2013-02-18 10:15:58 (4.49 MB/s) - `firmware-wheezy-DI-rc1-i386-netinst.iso' saved |
| 16:17.08 | Pei | WEEEEEEEEE |
| 16:17.10 | Pei | oh |
| 16:17.12 | Pei | wrong one |
| 16:17.13 | Pei | dammit |
| 16:17.14 | babilen | ubuntuw1204: You can check which kernel version supports your hardware on http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/ -- Which is why I asked you for the "lspci -n" output. -- You can see that certain components need a newer kernel than the one in squeeze (which is .32) -- You could install a newer kernel from backports, but we are so close to releasing wheezy that I would recommend to simply install that. |
| 16:17.20 | Nik05 | but you can also run 32bit programs on 64bit |
| 16:17.20 | Pei | Nik05: how? |
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| 16:17.37 | mirco | ubuntuw1204: have a look at cinnamon |
| 16:17.45 | Nik05 | Pei: on 64bit the compiler defaults to building 64bit programs |
| 16:18.02 | Pei | okay |
| 16:18.03 | Pei | ....... |
| 16:18.04 | babilen | Pei: Which 32 bit applications? And you can install 32bit packages just fine on wheezy if you use multiarch -- See http://wiki.debian.org/Multiarch/HOWTO for details |
| 16:18.11 | Nik05 | but Pei you havent installed debian yet? |
| 16:18.15 | ExeciN | I put the debian 64bit netinst on my firewire drive. My computer recognizes it as a bootable device and tries to boot from it. However as soon as I choose to boot from it, I am stuck in a completely stuck screen. How can I boot the installer from firewire? |
| 16:18.22 | Pei | Nik05: not yet |
| 16:18.29 | Pei | gonna here in a dec |
| 16:18.32 | Pei | sec* |
| 16:18.39 | Pei | i have it installed on a server |
| 16:18.40 | Nik05 | oh ok well then you need to put the firmware on a usb stick |
| 16:18.42 | Pei | in texas |
| 16:18.44 | ExeciN | *in a clompletely black screen |
| 16:18.48 | Pei | but not here |
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| 16:19.06 | babilen | ubuntuw1204: Some people who used to like Gnome2 prefer XFCE (see "/msg dpkg install xfce4" for details on how to install that) -- Why don't you have a working internet connection during the installation? |
| 16:19.11 | ExeciN | *completely |
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| 16:19.21 | Pei | Nik05: i'm putting the whole http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/wheezy_di_rc1/amd64/iso-cd/firmware-wheezy-DI-rc1-amd64-netinst.iso image on a usb stick will that work? |
| 16:19.29 | babilen | ExeciN: Which image did you use and where is it from? |
| 16:20.18 | babilen | Pei: That is discussed in the install guide. http://www.debian.org/releases/testing/amd64/ch04s03.html.en#usb-copy-isohybrid |
| 16:20.53 | ubuntuw1204 | babilen: does wheezy comes default with kernel 3.2 and gnome 3? |
| 16:21.02 | babilen | ubuntuw1204: Yes, it does. |
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| 16:21.16 | vaillor_ | hi guys |
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| 16:21.32 | vaillor_ | what is rm d? |
| 16:21.43 | babilen | ubuntuw1204: The kernel does, however, contain quite a number of things that were backported from later kernels .. |
| 16:21.45 | vaillor_ | "rm d?" |
| 16:21.57 | babilen | vaillor_: I have no idea. Could you provide some context? |
| 16:22.04 | deepy | rm -d? |
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| 16:22.22 | babilen | vaillor_: It looks like a command that removes a file called "d" |
| 16:22.33 | Pei | so |
| 16:22.42 | Pei | okay lemme read this install guyde |
| 16:22.45 | Pei | guide |
| 16:22.52 | ubuntuw1204 | babilen: debian wheezy 7, how different is it from ubuntu? |
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| 16:22.57 | larst | Hi al |
| 16:22.57 | larst | All |
| 16:23.05 | vaillor_ | no |
| 16:23.08 | vaillor_ | it's not -d |
| 16:23.13 | larst | I want to change to debian wheezy |
| 16:23.17 | ry|an | vaillor_ have you tried sudo rm -rf /* ? |
| 16:23.17 | vaillor_ | its rm d? |
| 16:23.29 | ubuntuw1204 | babilen: and what is backports? |
| 16:23.33 | vaillor_ | ry|an: no |
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| 16:23.42 | ry|an | I think you should |
| 16:23.50 | ry|an | may the force be with you |
| 16:23.56 | babilen | Pei: It essentially boils down to "cp firmware-wheezy-DI-rc1-amd64-netinst.iso /dev/sdX ; sync" (where /dev/sdX is something like /dev/sdb (NOT /dev/sdb1) and the block device of your USB stick. Check "dmesg|tail -n23" after pluggin it in) |
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| 16:24.05 | babilen | dpkg: tell ubuntuw1204 -about backports |
| 16:24.06 | vaillor_ | dir1 dir2 d0 dino |
| 16:24.13 | vaillor_ | i have these 4 dirs |
| 16:24.18 | jelly | ry|an: that kind of advice will get you banned |
| 16:24.27 | vaillor_ | probably rm removes dir1 dir2 dino ? |
| 16:24.34 | vaillor_ | and does not remove d0 ? |
| 16:24.39 | Pei | is there a "full install" image i can download that has wireless and wpa built in? |
| 16:24.45 | vaillor_ | because ? rapresents characters |
| 16:24.50 | vaillor_ | ? |
| 16:24.51 | babilen | ubuntuw1204: There are many differences between Debian and Ubuntu (see, for example, "/msg dpkg why debian") -- One is that you get support here ;) -- I would recommend to that you give wheezy a try and see for yourslef. |
| 16:25.05 | ry|an | jelly I'm fucking tired of all this racism bullshit going on here, really. Grow up |
| 16:25.12 | babilen | vaillor_: What are you trying to do? |
| 16:25.13 | tubaman | jelly, I thought the bots auto ban for that? |
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| 16:25.25 | jelly | !ops ry|an |
| 16:25.25 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: jelly complains about: ry|an |
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| 16:25.35 | jelly | thanks |
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| 16:25.48 | Pei | hehe |
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| 16:26.14 | Pei | what if i download the debian livecd |
| 16:26.14 | babilen | Just to make it clear: DO NOT execute rulan's command (rm -rf ....) |
| 16:26.15 | vaillor_ | babilen: homework :) |
| 16:26.24 | babilen | vaillor_: Ok, could you provide some details? |
| 16:26.29 | ubuntuw1204 | babilen: i tried squeeze earlier but just couldn't get it to work out of the box like ubuntu but if you say i'll give wheezy a try. where to download? |
| 16:26.42 | Pei | yeah, rm -rf == BAD unless you knoww exactly what you are doing |
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| 16:27.02 | vaillor_ | babilen: i have 4 dirs, dir1 dir2 d0 dino |
| 16:27.07 | ryan` | everything is bad on *nix unkless you know exactly what you are doing |
| 16:27.07 | babilen | ubuntuw1204: So you have no internet connection? |
| 16:27.08 | vaillor_ | into the same dir |
| 16:27.24 | jelly | vaillor_: "rm d" tries to delete a directory entry (a "file") named "d", nothing more |
| 16:27.33 | vaillor_ | exercise asks me what effect "rm d?" produces |
| 16:27.41 | WormFood | anyone who blindly types in commands, that some random dude on IRC gives you, without reading the man page, probably deserve what they get. |
| 16:27.48 | vaillor_ | jelly: and "?" |
| 16:27.58 | ryan` | whats up with your hate towards rm, commands like 'touch' can be equally dangerous |
| 16:28.06 | jelly | vaillor_: ? is a glob replacement matching any single character |
| 16:28.09 | ryan` | or wget |
| 16:28.10 | STMelon | evading a ban ryan? |
| 16:28.11 | ryan` | or curl |
| 16:28.13 | ryan` | or bash builtins |
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| 16:28.14 | ubuntuw1204 | babilen: i have internet connection but not during install |
| 16:28.26 | Pei | ryan`: how about dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sdX (where X is the name of your disk letter :)) |
| 16:28.26 | WormFood | cp can be just as destructive as rm (ex. cp /dev/zero /dev/sda) |
| 16:28.27 | ryan` | STMelon: what? |
| 16:28.33 | babilen | ubuntuw1204: Why not? What prevents you from connecting to the internet during the installation? |
| 16:28.35 | Pei | is that bad? |
| 16:28.43 | Pei | cus he just privmsgd me and told me to do that |
| 16:28.54 | ryan` | Pei: don't got sd* on FreeBSD with ZFS |
| 16:28.58 | babilen | ryan`: That is way too complicated and might even be slower that using cp -- What is wrong with cp? |
| 16:29.01 | jelly | Pei: it's similarly destructive. |
| 16:29.06 | Pei | he said it will upgrade me to the latest distro |
| 16:29.07 | babilen | Pei: ^^^^^ |
| 16:29.09 | ubuntuw1204 | babilen: why do u insist on internet during install |
| 16:29.24 | ryan` | WormFood: that wont work I'm pretty sure |
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| 16:29.37 | WormFood | ryan`, why not? have you tried it? |
| 16:29.42 | ryan` | I don't think cp appreciates devices |
| 16:29.46 | ryan` | but let me try it right now |
| 16:29.46 | Pei | oh.... i just wanted latest distro! :( |
| 16:29.48 | WormFood | sure it does |
| 16:29.52 | Pei | hehheh |
| 16:29.56 | WormFood | it works just fine with devices |
| 16:30.15 | WormFood | wanna make an image of a drive, cp /dev/sda image.img will do it |
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| 16:30.32 | WormFood | heh |
| 16:30.33 | ry`n | oh yes it does work |
| 16:30.34 | STMelon | ^^ |
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| 16:30.51 | ChrisH | WormFood: sda must not be active, like mounted |
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| 16:31.14 | WormFood | ChrisH, why not? It can be mounted, but if you want to make an image, better to mount in read-only mode |
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| 16:31.55 | Pei | so... babilen: what if i download the livecd and use the installer? |
| 16:31.57 | babilen | ubuntuw1204: Because it makes certain things easier -- I am simply trying to recommend the best way to install Debian |
| 16:32.03 | Pei | will i get wireless + wpa support? |
| 16:32.07 | ChrisH | WormFood: If its mounted it will change during your copy. You cannot create an image from an active disk, |
| 16:32.12 | WormFood | but, I will say, that I prefer to use dd over cp, for one reason....a SIGUSR1 to dd, will report how much data it has copied |
| 16:32.17 | WormFood | ChrisH, wanna bet? |
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| 16:32.22 | jelly | vaillor_: however, while d0 matches d?, if d0 is a directory you'll just get a warning and rm is not going to delete it |
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| 16:32.39 | ry`n | >/etc/* is always a good one too |
| 16:32.44 | ubuntuw1204 | babilen: and that is with a working internet connection? but unfortunately i have a usb dongle |
| 16:32.50 | WormFood | as long as it is not being written to, you can get a good copy of it, while it is mounted...like I said, it is probably best to remount it in read-only mode |
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| 16:33.44 | ExeciN | babilen: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.6/amd64/bt-cd/debian-6.0.6-amd64-netinst.iso.torrent this is the image I got |
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| 16:34.16 | Devastator | ryan is back |
| 16:34.19 | WormFood | net install of debian (or even ubuntu) is quick and easy....really nice |
| 16:34.20 | babilen | ExeciN: Ok, on which hardware are you installing? Which graphic card to you have? |
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| 16:34.23 | WormFood | of course he is. |
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| 16:34.24 | ChrisH | WormFood: Let me reword it. You must expect an inconsistent image if the disk is active somehow. If you are only interested in the data (eg. backup usuing tar) use LVM snapshot feature to get a clean filessystem |
| 16:34.36 | STMelon | wow, school must be out |
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| 16:34.44 | babilen | Indeed *sigh* |
| 16:34.51 | jelly | Devastator: can't know for sure if it's the same one until he talks |
| 16:35.16 | STMelon | usually when one gets banned they accept it, and dont act like a script kid using insecuren proxies to come back |
| 16:35.19 | STMelon | sighs |
| 16:35.37 | Devastator | jelly I see, sorry for the alarm |
| 16:35.43 | WormFood | and the ban is only for how long? 10 minutes? |
| 16:36.07 | STMelon | honestly i do not know, i believe until an op removes it |
| 16:36.07 | ExeciN | babilen: MacBook Pro 17 (early 2009) NVIDIA GeForce 9600M GT |
| 16:36.09 | babilen | Lets move on please |
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| 16:37.12 | Harrold | hi |
| 16:37.14 | WormFood | ExeciN, if you haven't had problems with your video yet, here is a tip, run your internal fans at a higher speed. Those models of laptops have heat issues, and frequently burn out their video chip (I know, i have one just like yours, with that problem) |
| 16:37.25 | ubuntuw1204 | babilen: can i use debian squeeze and change the repos for newer packages |
| 16:37.27 | Harrold | is it possible to revert to an old installation point after running apt-get upgrade? |
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| 16:37.50 | Nik05 | Harrold: that is not supported |
| 16:38.03 | babilen | ubuntuw1204: You can install newer packages from backports, yes. Why do you want to use squeeze? I really would recommend wheezy right now. |
| 16:38.05 | Harrold | ugh |
| 16:38.07 | Harrold | *cries* |
| 16:38.17 | hasdf | is there a dm-crypt irc-channel? |
| 16:38.19 | ExeciN | WormFood: I usually stress my CPU/GPU and never had any problem |
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| 16:38.28 | meLon | Harrold: You can read your apt logs and see what new packages (and their versions) have been installed |
| 16:38.36 | babilen | ubuntuw1204: brb |
| 16:38.41 | Nik05 | Harrold: what is the problem?> |
| 16:38.46 | Nik05 | you can fix it manually |
| 16:38.51 | ubuntuw1204 | babilen: brb? |
| 16:39.01 | WormFood | ExeciN, haven't had any problems yet...you will, I promise...probably real soon too |
| 16:39.17 | Harrold | Nik05: I need an unstable system to test some code, because I need gcc-4.7 |
| 16:39.29 | jelly | hasdf: #lvm is both both LVM2 and cryptsetup / dm-crypt |
| 16:39.33 | babilen | ubuntuw1204: be right back -- and really, you need a bunch of newer software (kernel, drivers, ...) than what is in squeeze that you are IMHO better off simply running wheezy at this point in the release cycle |
| 16:39.42 | hasdf | jelly, thx |
| 16:40.07 | WormFood | babilen, except for the fact that wheezy has gnome 3, and squeeze has gnome 2 |
| 16:40.12 | babilen | ubuntuw1204: But see http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ and the linked installation guide for further details. you can get a netinstall image with firmware from http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/wheezy_di_rc1/ |
| 16:40.13 | Nik05 | Harrold: you upgraded your wheeyze to unstable? |
| 16:40.28 | ubuntuw1204 | babilen: but wheezy is not stable yet? |
| 16:40.42 | babilen | WormFood: So what? People can use any other desktop environment if they don't like Gnome3 -- Some prefer Gnome3 and want wheezy because of that ... |
| 16:40.42 | Nik05 | or havent you done the upgrade? |
| 16:40.43 | jelly | Harrold: there's gcc-4.7 in wheezy |
| 16:40.48 | ubuntuw1204 | babilen: what is diff from ubuntu? |
| 16:40.49 | jelly | ,v gcc-4.7 |
| 16:40.51 | judd | Package: gcc-4.7 on i386 -- sid: 4.7.2-5; wheezy: 4.7.2-5; experimental: 4.7.2-21 |
| 16:40.52 | WormFood | http://wormfood.net/pictures/gnome2vs3.jpg |
| 16:40.53 | Nik05 | oh right it has 4.7 |
| 16:41.13 | ubuntuw1204 | babilen: would u use kde ? |
| 16:41.15 | babilen | ubuntuw1204: It is quite usable, but it has not been released. I was under the impression that this is for your personal box. Isn't it? |
| 16:41.31 | babilen | ubuntuw1204: No, I wouldn't. (but who am I to tell you what you should use/like?) |
| 16:41.54 | Harrold | hmm |
| 16:42.00 | Harrold | it didn't want to go over 4.4 for me |
| 16:42.03 | WormFood | babilen, the other desktop environment I want to use, is gnome 2...does wheezy have that? |
| 16:42.04 | tubaman | ubuntuw1204, run whatever you want and then debootstrap chroot the rest |
| 16:42.11 | babilen | ubuntuw1204: If I had to pick a desktop environment I would probably go with either Gnome3 or XFCE4 |
| 16:42.18 | babilen | WormFood: No, it is does not. |
| 16:42.22 | jelly | Harrold: note the package name. |
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| 16:43.28 | WormFood | I tried to use gnome 3 for a few weeks...really shitty....if their fucked up ideas about how my desktop should work, wasn't bad enough, it simply didn't work right with dual monitors. |
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| 16:44.02 | STMelon | eeeeek, please keep the language cival WormFood. Thx. |
| 16:44.03 | ubuntuw1204 | WormFood: gnome 3 is made for touch screens, just like windows 8 |
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| 16:44.32 | WormFood | who in their right mind would have a touchscreen on their desktop? |
| 16:45.04 | jelly | I would |
| 16:45.08 | WormFood | gnome 3 is not a desktop environment anymore, it is now a touchscreen environment....and I'm not playing games, I need to do real work with my computer. |
| 16:45.11 | WormFood | really? |
| 16:45.23 | Nik05 | XFCE :) |
| 16:45.27 | WormFood | you try holding your arm up to your monitor all day, and tell me how it feels at the end of the day |
| 16:45.30 | ubuntuw1204 | WormFood: these pc manufacturing companies are trying to lure new customer with all in one computer with touch screens |
| 16:45.37 | Nik05 | didnt they want to make Xfce default and not Gnome3? |
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| 16:46.07 | jelly | WormFood: a) the monitor would be placed much closer b) I wouldn't actually use touchscreen as the primary input device for work |
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| 16:46.39 | jhutchins_wk | Nik05: Only for the sake of space on the iso, I think for the CD. |
| 16:46.42 | WormFood | I think, that if you really did have a touchscreen on your desktop, you'd rarely touch it |
| 16:46.47 | ubuntuw1204 | WormFood: also it enables to easily integrate with tablet pcs and other touch interface devices |
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| 16:47.03 | jelly | WormFood: I'd just drag and drop elements in certain cluster-configuration apps |
| 16:47.15 | WormFood | BUT, if you're running gonme 3, since it is designed for a touch screen, you'd probably find it not that great |
| 16:47.37 | WormFood | a tablet interface, is not the optimal interface for a desktop |
| 16:47.38 | jhutchins_wk | The problem with Gnome3, as with KDE4, is that you _can't_ just install Gnome2 or KDE3, and the forks are having to deal with cleanup on the projects that had problems with they made the switch. |
| 16:47.43 | ubuntuw1204 | WormFood: thats why many people are switching to xfce and many to kde |
| 16:47.55 | WormFood | oh yeah, I know |
| 16:48.10 | jhutchins_wk | In my opinion kde4 has the same problems as Gnome3. |
| 16:48.12 | WormFood | I'll be switching too, because I found gnome 3 to be unusable. It wasn't designed for me. |
| 16:48.17 | babilen | WormFood: Seriously: This topic has been discussed all over the net. There are various blog posts and logs of previous discussions on IRC available. We don't have to have it /again/ |
| 16:48.24 | jhutchins_wk | xfce is very usable, but not quite as complete a suite of programs. |
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| 16:48.55 | WormFood | I've been happy with gnome 2. I just think it is a boneheaded decision to stop development on it, and put everything into gnome 3 |
| 16:48.57 | ubuntuw1204 | babilen: but those topics are not as one to one right? |
| 16:48.59 | babilen | I agree that Gnome3's way of dealing with dual screen setups is horrible, but I still have to find a DE that gets it right (completely independent screens that can show a workspace) |
| 16:49.14 | kaveli | jhutchins_wk: which is not a bad thing if you prefer to choose what programs to use later (instead of an included bundle/suite). |
| 16:49.29 | ExeciN | I did some research (http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch02s04.html.en#id445495) and I think I have to rebuild the kernel for debian to be able to work when booted from firewire. I found this http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch08s06.html.en Can you give me some pointers? |
| 16:49.58 | ubuntuw1204 | babilen: are there some major advantage of using debian? |
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| 16:50.23 | WormFood | one of my big, big problems with gnome 3 is their clicktastic interface....it requires far more clicks to do anything through the GUI....and hiding the notifications? What the hell was that about? It is a NOTIFICATION. I want to be notified. I want to see it. I don't want to have to poll it. |
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| 16:50.43 | ubuntuw1204 | babilen: linux mint says that there lmde is debian compatible? |
| 16:50.47 | babilen | ExeciN: Sorry, you've got a bit lost in the heat. Let me check hardware support for your graphic card. |
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| 16:51.54 | babilen | ubuntuw1204: LMDE is LMDE and not Debian. It is one of many Debian based distributions and also not supported in here. I'd recommend to give wheezy a try and simply choose whatever desktop environment you like. (see "/msg dpkg install xfce4" for help with that, "/msg dpkg install kde" for that, ...) |
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| 16:53.37 | babilen | ExeciN: Would you mind giving http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/wheezy_di_rc1/amd64/iso-cd/firmware-wheezy-DI-rc1-amd64-netinst.iso a try? |
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| 16:53.57 | jhutchins_wk | I thought http://freedesktop.org used to have a list of desktops. with info and comparisons. Doesn't seem to any more. |
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| 16:54.24 | ubuntuw1204 | babilen: what is so special about debian? and should i use amd64 or i386 or i686 or i486? |
| 16:54.35 | ubuntuw1204 | babilen: or multiarch |
| 16:54.37 | babilen | dpkg: tell ubuntuw1204 -about debian |
| 16:55.06 | babilen | ubuntuw1204: I would use amd64 (there is no i686 or i486 architecture in Debian) |
| 16:55.11 | babilen | dpkg: tell ubuntuw1204 -about why debian |
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| 16:55.37 | enapupe | there is no i686?! |
| 16:55.43 | enapupe | whaaat? |
| 16:55.52 | jelly | enapupe: do you have a support question? |
| 16:56.00 | ubuntuw1204 | babilen: why is ther e is now i686? like in other distros? |
| 16:56.03 | Nik05 | enapupe: libc6-i686 |
| 16:56.07 | babilen | enapupe: See http://www.debian.org/ports/ for a list |
| 16:56.12 | babilen | ubuntuw1204: ^^^ |
| 16:56.36 | babilen | ubuntuw1204: There is amd64 (64bit) and i386 (32 bit) for Intel/AMD |
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| 16:57.16 | ubuntuw1204 | babilen: ^^^ ? what does this mean? OK i will go ahead with 64bit |
| 16:57.27 | babilen | ubuntuw1204: What does what mean? |
| 16:57.43 | Sevet | ubuntuw1204: forget multiarch for now, that's coming in wheezy which is the next release and makes it simpler to run a mixture of 32bit and 64bit. if you're new to debian it'd be better to stick to squeeze. use amd64 if your cpu supports it, otherwise i386 |
| 16:58.07 | babilen | *sigh* |
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| 16:58.33 | ubuntuw1204 | babilen: wheezy has ony netinst and no cd image? |
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| 16:59.03 | Sevet | babilen: sorry, scroll had stopped ;) |
| 16:59.05 | ubuntuw1204 | Sevet: talk to Mr. babilen, he says use wheezy |
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| 16:59.16 | babilen | ubuntuw1204: No, it comes with an entire CD set. There is, however, only a netinst image with firmware. |
| 16:59.16 | Nik05 | ubuntuw1204: http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 16:59.28 | WormFood | but mr. babilen also likes gnome 3 |
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| 16:59.29 | babilen | ubuntuw1204: And I gave you that link ^^^ some time ago. |
| 16:59.36 | j0d3 | hi |
| 16:59.45 | Sevet | ubuntuw1204: wheezy is still prerelease so has no full cd images yet |
| 16:59.47 | babilen | WormFood: I don't, but I would use it (or XFCE) if I had to choose a DE |
| 16:59.55 | Sevet | afaik? |
| 16:59.56 | babilen | Sevet: really? |
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| 17:00.26 | ExeciN | giving firmware-wheezy-DI-rc1-amd64-netinst.iso a try. BRB |
| 17:00.29 | Sevet | maybe i'm thinking of before the d-i beta |
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| 17:00.44 | ubuntuw1204 | babilen: http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 17:00.46 | babilen | Sevet: You might want to take a look at http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/wheezy_di_rc1/amd64/ |
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| 17:01.13 | babilen | Sevet: And there were plenty of beta1 / beta2 ... images too. Or daily builds or ... |
| 17:01.21 | Sevet | babilen: yea, seen them now. apologies, going to shut up now... :) |
| 17:01.29 | xzgv | hi, the command 'locate package-name' gives me nothing. Is there something i haven't installed? thx |
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| 17:02.02 | jhutchins_wk | I thought there were daily builds of the wheezy cd image. |
| 17:02.20 | xzgv | looking for an icewm theme, but i get nothing |
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| 17:02.29 | babilen | ubuntuw1204: yes, that link. Listen, I simply want the installation to be easy for you. As you /insist/ that you have no working internet connection you cannot use the netinstall image with firmware to install Debian, but you have to use one of the CD1. Your hardware does, however, require firmware so you have to provide that on a separate USB stick. |
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| 17:03.01 | jeffrin | xzgv : try "apt-cache search icewm theme" |
| 17:03.07 | jhutchins_wk | xzgv: locate searches an index of files on your disk. You can search the catalog with aptitude or install apt-file. |
| 17:03.13 | ubuntuw1204 | babilen: what firmware cd? where is it? |
| 17:03.15 | babilen | ubuntuw1204: I gave you the links to the firmware .zip / .tar.gz that you have to UNPACK on an USB stick before the installation. The installer will ask you to provide firmware. |
| 17:03.34 | babilen | ubuntuw1204: You cannot use the firmware CD as you don't have internet during the installation. |
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| 17:04.08 | ubuntuw1204 | babilen: so what to do? and ubuntu does not require firmaware cd? |
| 17:04.18 | ubuntuw1204 | babilen: i am a bit confused now? |
| 17:04.26 | babilen | ubuntuw1204: And I also mentioned that link multiple times as well. Do "/lastlog unofficial" and you'll see it |
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| 17:04.35 | xzgv | Jeffrin:thx |
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| 17:04.40 | babilen | ubuntuw1204: You are apparently a bit confused now, yes |
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| 17:05.04 | jeffrin | xzgv : :) |
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| 17:05.15 | babilen | ubuntuw1204: Just to clarify: 1. Can you connect to the internet during the installation? (if not: why not?) 2. Which desktop environment do you want to use? |
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| 17:05.53 | babilen | ubuntuw1204: Simply answer those two questions and I can tell you what you have to do, but I've explained that all already and well ... |
| 17:07.16 | ubuntuw1204 | babilen: 1. i have a usb dongle to connect to internet so cannot connect, 2. i will go with the default de , i.e. gnome3. and i sincerely thank you for being so patient :) |
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| 17:08.30 | ExeciN | babilen: Thanks! It worked! |
| 17:08.38 | babilen | ubuntuw1204: thanks, one second please |
| 17:08.58 | babilen | ExeciN: wonderful, you simply needed a newer kernel and probably firmware for you gpu |
| 17:09.03 | babilen | *your |
| 17:09.05 | atannus | I just got a few messages from syslogd directly at an (in fact all) open console. I read this happens when the messages are critical but I don't know what to make of them. How should I proceed? http://pastebin.com/Nx4SFh2t |
| 17:09.18 | babilen | dpkg: tell atannus -about pastebin.com |
| 17:10.24 | atannus | http://paste.debian.net/235280/ |
| 17:10.44 | ExeciN | babilen: is the kernel and firmware of the installer matching with the kernel and firmware of the installation? |
| 17:12.03 | babilen | ExeciN: yes, it is -- If you want to use squeeze you can get an installer with firmware and newer kernel from KMUTO though ("/msg dpkg kmuto") |
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| 17:14.45 | ubuntuw1204 | babilen: http://www.debian.org/intro/why_debian wouldn't these argumenta hold true for ubuntu or similar distro based on debian? |
| 17:14.50 | babilen | ubuntuw1204: Ok, I would recommend to download CD1 from http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/wheezy_di_rc1/amd64/iso-cd/ and burn that to a CD. Also download the firmware package from http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/firmware/wheezy/current/ and UNPACK that to an USB stick. |
| 17:15.17 | babilen | ubuntuw1204: Ok, only Debian users are allowed to ask questions in here ! |
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| 17:16.07 | ubuntuw1204 | babilen: Ok, my apologies! |
| 17:16.12 | babilen | ubuntuw1204: No, not all of those points hold true on other Debian based distributions. A bunch of also change things and, well, do things differently (that is the whole point of a new distribution isn't it?) |
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| 17:16.22 | STMelon | ubuntu is based of debain, and not debain stable |
| 17:16.40 | STMelon | ubuntu is more bleeding edge, thus more bugs, more issues, more crashes than debain |
| 17:16.45 | babilen | ubuntuw1204: No, I mean that is one of the things that you get when you run Debian. You can get support on Debian mailing lists and in Debian IRC channels. |
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| 17:18.01 | enapupe | I'm a ubuntu user planning to migrate to debian :) |
| 17:18.17 | ubuntuw1204 | babilen: can i use burn the cd to usb? |
| 17:18.17 | atannus | enapupe, I did that a few months ago. |
| 17:18.21 | matt8686 | I would like to start wireshark in headless server "debianMOW" and use X server of my laptop. I set the DISPLAY variable in debianMOW to "192.168.1.64:0" where 192.168.1.64 is the IP of my laptop. However, I still get the "cannot open display" error: http://perl.nopaste.dk/p21133 |
| 17:18.24 | enapupe | because ubuntu reminds me of my php code |
| 17:18.25 | atannus | I'm not 100% satisfied. |
| 17:18.33 | enapupe | and my php code is a mess :( |
| 17:18.46 | enapupe | atannus: how is it going? |
| 17:18.48 | ubuntuw1204 | babilen: i mean write the cd to usb drive? |
| 17:19.26 | STMelon | ubuntuw1204: try unetbootin |
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| 17:19.33 | babilen | ubuntuw1204: No, that wouldn't work as that does not allow you to provide the firmware on an USB stick. (and see also the first point of http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/errata) |
| 17:19.37 | ExeciN | I am trying to install Debian from FireWire but on the "Detect and mount CD-ROM" phase it asks me to load CD-ROM drivers from removable media. Whatever I do it always fails. |
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| 17:19.50 | babilen | STMelon: NO! Never advocate or recommend nor use unetbootin with Debian. It does not work! |
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| 17:20.07 | babilen | (and "cp debian.iso /dev/sdX" is /much/ easier as well) |
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| 17:21.05 | atannus | enapupe, well, ubuntu makes everything very easy and they offer tons of not-so-technical documentation and troubleshooting, which you won't find as plentiful for Debian. |
| 17:21.07 | babilen | ExeciN: Did you use unetbootin? I thought that you could use the wheezy installer? (I should note that booting from firewire is, well, a bit untypical) |
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| 17:21.32 | zykotick9 | babilen: does cp work? for usb creation. |
| 17:21.55 | babilen | zykotick9: sure, as does "cat debian.iso > /dev/sdX" -- And why wouldn't it? |
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| 17:22.18 | zykotick9 | babilen: ya i'm familiar with cat (and dd). cp works, that's cool. thanks. |
| 17:22.21 | ubuntuw1204 | babilen: but cp will just copy the iso file ? |
| 17:22.30 | enapupe | atannus: agreed about the docs and troubleshoots, but, may you give me an example of what is easier on ubuntu? I just can't take its messed configs anymore.. |
| 17:22.41 | atannus | Although "not-so-technical" for ubuntu is still a lot more technical than most windows users would require, it is still very complete and easy to follow. In other words, thorough. I cannot say the same about Debian docs. You WILL have to do some digging to find what you're looking for. |
| 17:22.56 | babilen | No idea why people torture themselves with dd given that it is potentially slower, has horrible syntax and even if you want to use something like dd you should use dcfldd |
| 17:23.23 | STMelon | hands babilen a beer |
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| 17:23.48 | enapupe | atannus: ic.. debian probably will force me to check/read logs, for instance.. |
| 17:23.48 | atannus | enapupe, well... afaik, ubuntu inherits its configuration from debian. IN fact I had no touble finding myself around Debian _because_ of that... |
| 17:23.48 | ubuntuw1204 | babilen: can i use cp for any iso to usb |
| 17:23.58 | babilen | ubuntuw1204: "cp debian.iso /dev/sdb" will copy the iso to the block device /dev/sdb (which I assume here to be your USB stick. Check in "dmesg|tail -n23" after pluggin it in to find the right one -- do NOT overwrite one of your disks!!) |
| 17:24.15 | jelly | babilen: because everyone has a different favorite dd replacement! |
| 17:24.28 | babilen | dcfldd is clearly the best! |
| 17:24.43 | atannus | enapupe, it will require you to learn a bit more than you're required by Ubuntu. |
| 17:24.44 | ubuntuw1204 | babilen: just like dd ok i get your point. |
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| 17:25.11 | jelly | babilen: dd_rescue foreva |
| 17:25.12 | enapupe | atannus: that's the idea, get a little bit more nerd |
| 17:25.22 | jelly | (also, pv) |
| 17:25.23 | atannus | And chances are answers to rookie questions won't even surface in its busiest forums, which is true for ubuntu. |
| 17:25.26 | ubuntuw1204 | babilen: will i be able to write files to that usb after cp debian iso? |
| 17:25.35 | enapupe | atannus: I'm 2 years on ubuntu, I think is time to improve |
| 17:25.40 | atannus | enapupe, then go right ahead. |
| 17:25.56 | ubuntuw1204 | babilen: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/firmware/wheezy/current/ this link not opening? |
| 17:26.08 | atannus | I'm migrating all machines at my company from ubuntu to debian, slowly. |
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| 17:26.29 | enapupe | atannus: cool, what kind of company is ? |
| 17:26.38 | ubuntuw1204 | atannus: me too.. planning something similar. |
| 17:26.40 | atannus | software development. |
| 17:27.00 | enapupe | what kind of software? "i'm" web |
| 17:27.03 | babilen | ubuntuw1204: No, it will overwrite your USB stick. You have to recreate partitions/filesystems afterwards. |
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| 17:27.20 | ExeciN | babilen: I haven't used unetbootin |
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| 17:27.29 | ubuntuw1204 | babilen: Oh, ok any workaround? |
| 17:27.41 | babilen | ubuntuw1204: But you cannot install from USB as you cannot both install from USB and provide firmware of it /unless/ you take care that this works. |
| 17:27.54 | j0d3 | hi |
| 17:28.18 | atannus | The most irritating thing is there is no package support for anything that's not wholly 100% open and free. If there's a single catch in a product about it possibly being paid in the future it won't get supported, and that can be annoying. |
| 17:28.21 | ExeciN | ls /dev returned nothing that looked like FireWire. Should I choose /dev/usb ? |
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| 17:28.51 | babilen | ubuntuw1204: I told you what I think is the easiest way for you. (given your constraints) If you have additional constraints you have to tell me. (my recommendation was: Burn iso to CD and extract firmware on USB) |
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| 17:29.36 | atannus | So you often have to settle for a suckier audio player, a suckier void client, etc etc |
| 17:29.42 | atannus | *voip |
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| 17:30.15 | babilen | ubuntuw1204: It would be easiest if you simply would configure your network connection during the installation (using your dongle) which would enable you to use the firmware netinstaller. But you don't want that, so ... there we go. You could also install from USB and /then/ install the firmware packages that you downloaded on another system manually after the installation, but I perceive that as being more complicated. |
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| 17:30.52 | Nik05 | babilen: is it possible to put cd on USB and make another partition with firmware? |
| 17:31.04 | jelly | kmuto says it has firmware _and_ WPA support |
| 17:31.14 | Nik05 | s/cd/iso |
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| 17:31.19 | babilen | jelly: It does! |
| 17:31.20 | jelly | (and is a squeeze installer, not wheezy) |
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| 17:32.41 | babilen | Nik05: IIRC you have a second partition to which you can copy the firmware, but it used to be too small for all packages. |
| 17:33.00 | babilen | either way, I'm off .. have fun :) |
| 17:33.08 | Nik05 | bye |
| 17:33.36 | ExeciN | Why is it needed to "Detect and mount CD-ROM"? Isn't everything needed inside the installer's partition? |
| 17:33.42 | jhutchins_wk | atannus: What are you talking about? |
| 17:33.43 | babilen | ubuntuw1204: Try copying the ISO to a USB stick ... IIRC you have a second partition to which you can copy the firmware. It used to be too small IIRC, but that might have changed with RC1 |
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| 17:36.18 | Nik05 | the installer or packages? |
| 17:36.24 | Nik05 | nice split |
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| 17:36.40 | Nik05 | shalom938_: bugs for the installer or packages? |
| 17:36.42 | atannus | jhutchins_wk, huh? |
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| 17:37.53 | shalom938_ | Nik05: bugs with gnome-shell |
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| 17:38.39 | yuastnav | hi, my system just locked up completely, including sound looping etc. |
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| 17:38.48 | yuastnav | where would be the best place to look for what went wrong? |
| 17:38.59 | zykotick9 | atannus: "The most irritating thing is there is no package support for anything that's not wholly 100% open and free." i personally think that's a BIG advantage Debian has over most of it's derivatives </OT> |
| 17:39.02 | yuastnav | unfortunately /var/log/kern.log doesn't show anything |
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| 17:39.43 | Nik05 | shalom938_: then post a bug in gnome-shell |
| 17:40.39 | atannus | zykotick9, Yes it is quite fundamental depending on what you're doing with it, namely if you _require_ it... If you don't, it is no advantage at all and can be a nuisance. |
| 17:40.47 | Sevet | atannus: you still have the non-free repositories for some of that stuff, and can always install from other sources (some places even provide their own apt repositories where they package their software, eg skype) |
| 17:40.48 | Nik05 | shalom938_: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?pkg=gnome-shell;dist=testing |
| 17:41.06 | Nik05 | first look if the bug report isnt already there |
| 17:41.06 | atannus | Sevet, I know. |
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| 17:41.26 | atannus | Sevet, most !== all |
| 17:41.31 | ubuntuw1204 | Sevet: how do i add non free repos |
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| 17:42.01 | zykotick9 | !tell ubuntuw1204 about non-free |
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| 17:42.20 | Sevet | dpkg: tell ubuntuw1204 -about non-free |
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| 17:42.43 | shalom938_ | Nik05: Thanks |
| 17:42.59 | ubuntuw1204 | http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/firmware/wheezy/current/ why isn' this link working |
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| 17:43.47 | mtn | ubuntuw1204: works for me |
| 17:43.53 | zykotick9 | ubuntuw1204: i see a firmware.tar.gz and firmware.zip at that URL |
| 17:43.59 | ExeciN | I booted the installer from FireWire and I am now stuck on the "Detect and mount CD-ROM" phase. It says that "No common CD-ROM drive was detected." and it asks me to "Load CD-ROM drivers from removable media". How should I proceed? |
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| 17:45.07 | ubuntuw1204 | zykotick9: which one to download .tar.gz or zip? |
| 17:45.07 | zykotick9 | ExeciN: do you have access to a non-ieee1394 cdrom drive? or a USB key? both alternatives, not solutions... best of luck. |
| 17:45.27 | zykotick9 | ubuntuw1204: sorry i've never had to manually add firmware during install - so i have no idea. good luck. |
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| 17:46.30 | Sevet | ubuntuw1204: i think they'll be the same content, just compressed with different programs. whichever you have the tools to decompress. |
| 17:46.57 | ubuntuw1204 | Sevet: ok |
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| 17:47.23 | ExeciN | I have access to a USB key. However I cannot boot from USB because of my computer's firmware |
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| 17:48.12 | Uranio | somebody can give me a hand with i3 windows manager |
| 17:48.38 | zykotick9 | ExeciN: i've never tried it but <usb install> mentions <plop> for BIOS' that don't boot USB... |
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| 17:49.18 | ubuntuw1204 | fortress_: welcome!! |
| 17:49.25 | ubuntuw1204 | stonerfish: welcome!! |
| 17:49.33 | Nik05 | ... |
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| 17:49.45 | ubuntuw1204 | ErtanERBEK: Welcome!! |
| 17:49.51 | ubuntuw1204 | ksuhku: Welcome!! |
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| 17:49.57 | Nik05 | ubuntuw1204: dont do that |
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| 17:50.22 | ubuntuw1204 | Nik05 Ok |
| 17:50.24 | ExeciN | zykotick9: plop does not work as it should here. (EFI based computer) |
| 17:50.30 | ErtanERBEK | ubuntuw1204, hi |
| 17:50.53 | zykotick9 | ExeciN: best of luck then. i've got no more suggestions, sorry. |
| 17:51.04 | ubuntuw1204 | Nik05, was greatfun ;) |
| 17:51.47 | ubuntuw1204 | ErtanERBEK: Hi !! Hola!! |
| 17:52.37 | ErtanERBEK | ubuntuw1204, Thank you, my friends |
| 17:52.51 | ErtanERBEK | this very nice |
| 17:53.53 | ubuntuw1204 | ErtanERBEK: I know, greatfun :) very enjoyable indeed, feels good :) |
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| 17:54.07 | ErtanERBEK | yes |
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| 17:56.02 | ubuntuw1204 | Ok comrades, have to go now and test Wheezy RC1 as suggested by Mr babilen. Will report the developments when i get back. It was great talking to ye all! |
| 17:56.13 | ubuntuw1204 | bye bye , see ya |
| 17:56.37 | ubuntuw1204 | <**> |
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| 17:57.07 | abrotman | won't miss that |
| 17:58.43 | jhutchins_wk | calculaes that he could have built at least 20 systems in the time that conversation took. |
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| 18:01.39 | mercutio22 | Hi. Gnome is failing to launch every time I reboot. I am suspecting I have a failing disk because I see ata.04 {{DRDY ERR}} on the boot screen, very quick. Are these messages logged somewhere? I would like to have a closer look at em |
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| 18:03.21 | well_laid_lawn | you can check dmesg in a terminal or read the kernel log in /var/log |
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| 18:03.27 | muh2000 | hi all |
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| 18:03.56 | muh2000 | were can i find the apropriate package to fix that error? "PHP-MAPI extension is not available" |
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| 18:04.14 | Contingency | Hmm few questions real quick. I've decided to start building a linux distro for my personal use. But was curious as how to build one from debian source? |
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| 18:05.24 | JasonWoof | people have the strangest hobbies :) |
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| 18:05.55 | Contingency | Such as? |
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| 18:06.24 | jhutchins_wk | mercutio22: I would reboot with a filesystem check (shutdown -Fr now), then install the smartmontools package and follow it's instructions to enble monitoring. |
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| 18:06.55 | jhutchins_wk | mercutio22: DRDY is probably just the drive hasn't spun up yet, probably nothing to worry about. |
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| 18:07.58 | JasonWoof | Contingency: I found about how to create, manage and use a repository: http://mediakey.dk/~cc/howto-create-your-own-debian-or-ubuntu-package-repository/ |
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| 18:08.48 | mercutio22 | jhutchins_wk: interesting. I also read { UNC }. Know what that means? |
| 18:10.00 | mercutio22 | jhutchins_wk: bad sectors... yeah I got some |
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| 18:10.53 | Nik05 | Contingency: you can download a package and build it with debian/rules :) |
| 18:11.09 | Nik05 | but why would you use the debian packages for that? |
| 18:11.19 | Contingency | Nik05: Explain more? |
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| 18:11.32 | Nik05 | if i need to explain then dont do it |
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| 18:12.17 | jhutchins_wk | mercutio22: Don't know UNC without more info, but if you have bad sectors replace the drive. Soon. |
| 18:12.26 | jhutchins_wk | mercutio22: Very soon. |
| 18:12.30 | Nik05 | Contingency: read documentations |
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| 18:13.44 | jhutchins_wk | Contingency: I would suggest reading the New Maintainer's Guide, creating and maintaining a local repository from existing Debian, and learning to customize and build packages on Debian as beginning steps. |
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| 18:14.17 | jhutchins_wk | Contingency: This is not something you can do without a lot of reading. You might also want to explore linux-from-scratch. |
| 18:14.17 | Contingency | jhutchins_wk, Nik05: Okay thanks guys, wiill do |
| 18:14.40 | Contingency | Alright will look into this as well |
| 18:14.44 | dexta | evening |
| 18:15.08 | Nik05 | morning |
| 18:15.25 | Contingency | afternoon |
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| 18:22.35 | jhutchins_wk | Stardate 90739.36 |
| 18:22.43 | Jumper_Thunder | hello everyone. I have an optimus laptop with a muxer chip and an egpu. I want to automatically detect which gpu is enabled with lspci and then load the appropriate xorg.conf. how do i do that? where can i place such a script? |
| 18:23.18 | jhutchins_wk | Jumper_Thunder: I thought xorg.conf was obsolete. Just let it autoprobe. |
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| 18:23.47 | Jumper_Thunder | jhutchins_wk: i need the xorg.conf for my monitor setup ;) |
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| 18:24.54 | Jumper_Thunder | well.. the xorg.confs .. one for the integrated intel gpu.. one for the internal nvidia gpu and one for the external nvidia gpu. |
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| 18:26.54 | jhutchins_wk | Jumper_Thunder: I would think udev rules would be the way to go. |
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| 18:27.24 | jhutchins_wk | Jumper_Thunder: That's not an unusual configuration these days though, someone else might have done it. (If not, YOU get to write it up!) |
| 18:28.25 | Jumper_Thunder | okay, i'll take a look at this udev thingy ^^ |
| 18:28.33 | ExeciN | what is the difference between http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/6.0.6/amd64/iso-cd/ and http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/wheezy_di_rc1/amd64/iso-cd/ ? |
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| 18:29.37 | Jumper_Thunder | ExeciN: the debian version. |
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| 18:30.19 | ExeciN | the first installer cannot boot for me |
| 18:30.28 | Nik05 | the first is squeeze |
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| 18:31.10 | ExeciN | Nik05: squeeze is the stable release? |
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| 18:31.28 | Nik05 | its the current stable |
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| 18:36.14 | Jumper_Thunder | *sigh* jhutchins_wk do you know how i could list all udev devices? |
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| 18:40.50 | jhutchins_wk | Jumper_Thunder: lshw? |
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| 18:41.21 | jhutchins_wk | Jumper_Thunder: udev's deeper into the system than I like to get, but I've tweaked a few things. |
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| 18:55.54 | Contingency | jhutchins_wk: Can I pm you? |
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| 18:56.52 | abrotman | please keep it in the channel if it's Debian related |
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| 18:58.20 | Contingency | Alrighty |
| 18:58.35 | Sevet | what way we can all chime in or benefit |
| 18:58.59 | jacobw | 1341 people > 1 person |
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| 18:59.44 | Contingency | I got it, I got it lol |
| 19:00.04 | Contingency | Just was trying to avoid looking retarded in front of 1341 people and just make it 1 haha |
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| 19:00.43 | ksuhku | fetches popcorn |
| 19:01.42 | Contingency | Okay so I've been reading the New Maintainers Documentation. So far its talking about packaging programs sorta speak. I'm wanting to take a minimum debian distro and add what I want, take out what I dont, as well as add in my own style and custom scripts, tweaks and repackage it and distribute to my friends |
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| 19:03.00 | JasonWoof | Contingency: do you want to modify any packages, or create new packages? |
| 19:03.11 | Contingency | Not really atm |
| 19:03.34 | JasonWoof | Contingency: so why are you wanting to make your own distro? |
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| 19:04.19 | Contingency | I want to take all the things I use, scripts, programs I make and be able to share then with my friends |
| 19:05.19 | kaveli | Contingency: put them in online repositories (e.g Github, Bitbucket, Gitorious, etc). |
| 19:05.24 | Nik05 | Contingency: cant they use already existing packages? :P |
| 19:05.48 | ExeciN | Every time I try to install wheezy_d1_rc1 (from firewire) it asks me to mount the CD-ROM. The installer has started what do I need the CD-ROM? |
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| 19:06.25 | Contingency | Yes they can. But I'd like it to be all in 1 location and install-able so i could simply install it to whatever computer I wanted |
| 19:06.28 | ExeciN | If I had a CD-ROM drive I wouldn't try to install from firewire |
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| 19:06.58 | JasonWoof | Contingency: use git |
| 19:07.58 | MrNobody | Poking (and searching) around the Debian wiki, I can't seem to find what I'm after, so I'll ask here as a last resort. Is there a group of people that work on Debian User Experience? Specifically, looking at how the system integrates from an end-user perspective, so that desktop services, etc. work together without requiring additional package downloads (or for that matter, having to know in advance what packages are needed)? I'm an experienced user an |
| 19:08.00 | Contingency | Is it possible to take debian, pull out what i dont want, put in what i do, change some settings and repackage it? |
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| 19:08.41 | antiwire | how does one go about building libpurple0? I can build pidgin itself but I can't get the debian build scripts to built libpurple0 |
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| 19:08.54 | madmoses | hi, is it possible to read packages via bluetooth from 2 paired devices? For example: two mobilephones are connected. Can i read packages with my notebook from this devices if i know the MAC? |
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| 19:09.00 | JasonWoof | Contingency: yes, expect it to take a thousand hours. use git |
| 19:09.23 | Contingency | I'd take the thousand hours. I'd learn more that awy |
| 19:09.27 | tremon | Contingency: half the world already does that. Why would you do that? |
| 19:09.42 | kaveli | Contingency: yes, there are various ways to do so (look for information on preseeding, remastersys or similar tools). |
| 19:10.05 | kaveli | However, it's easier to backup your own scripts and customization files. |
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| 19:11.24 | JasonWoof | Contingency: I have a git repo with my ~/bin and some other stuff in it. I clone it on all my computers (two at the moment) |
| 19:11.28 | Contingency | tremon: Why not? Its a great learning experience. I have the time so what would be the downside |
| 19:11.44 | tremon | Contingency: if your aim is to learn, I suggest you look at linuxfromscratch too |
| 19:12.00 | jhutchins_wk | !tell Contingency about preseed |
| 19:12.12 | JasonWoof | Contingency: knowing how to create a debian derivative is not a very useful skill, as this is rarely needed |
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| 19:12.58 | MrNobody | No takers on the "DUI", eh? |
| 19:14.14 | MrNobody | here's another way of looking at that question - you can't file a bug report about a proposed improvement. |
| 19:14.17 | tremon | MrNobody: there's not really a "dux", as a singular desktop-focused vision runs counter to debian's versatility |
| 19:14.17 | Contingency | Hmm wiki.debian.org hasnt been working for me at all today. |
| 19:14.32 | jelly-home | MrNobody: you also got cut off after "I'm an experienced user an... |
| 19:14.47 | MrNobody | tremon: it's not a "singular desktop focused vision" I'm after. |
| 19:15.13 | jelly-home | MrNobody: it's called a wishlist level bug, if you can find a package to attach it to |
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| 19:15.22 | tremon | MrNobody: I stand corrected then, but that seems to be only thing people talk about when they mention UX |
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| 19:15.31 | jelly-home | s/level/Priority/ |
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| 19:15.42 | MrNobody | as I said, this isn't "go try Ubuntu". This is "that package has hooks for 12 other pacakges but you have to know what htey are in advance, and because I won't know until I install the first package, I have to backtrack 12 times". |
| 19:16.01 | leotr | hello. I need somebody who has good experience in remastering ubuntu/debian CD without gui tools (like remastersys, etc...) I have some questions and it might require about 60-90 minutes. If somebody is interested please send me PM. |
| 19:16.02 | MrNobody | jelly-home: ok, thanks. I will be sure to file a few for wheezy. |
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| 19:16.20 | Nik05 | ExeciN: installer working? |
| 19:16.23 | Contingency | Okay question then. LinuxMint for example is based off of Ubuntu. They basically have all the programs they want to come with it as well as their own tweaks, and improvements to it. How did they do this is what I'm wanting to know |
| 19:16.50 | Nik05 | does it say "load installer components from CD" or something? just press enter |
| 19:16.55 | ExeciN | Nik05: No. I can't get past the "Mount CD-ROM" phase |
| 19:17.09 | Nik05 | strange |
| 19:17.15 | jelly-home | MrNobody: it's probably too late for wheezy if it involves adding functionality, but if your patches merely change default settings or packaging and not mess with upstream, they might have a chance |
| 19:17.32 | ExeciN | Nik05: I pressed enter and it said that i have a non standard media or something like that |
| 19:17.50 | Nik05 | oh damn |
| 19:18.06 | tremon | Contingency: every debian package comes with full build tools and source code. But DAK (the debian archive kit) isn't readily available. You'd need to organize your own hosting |
| 19:18.15 | Nik05 | ExeciN: what firmware do you need? |
| 19:18.37 | MrNobody | jelly-home: in some cases, yes. In other cases, I've seen strange behavior. I've filed two bugreports for wheezy (been on it for a few months now) but have had a few "gee, if X would have just come along with Y, this would have been a much smoother experience" epiphanies, etc. |
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| 19:18.44 | tremon | Contingency: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/developers-reference/tools |
| 19:19.12 | MrNobody | but again, thanks for the "wishlist" part - I'll definitely file a few this week as there are some programs that have, well, "sharp edges" that probably shouldn't be there. |
| 19:19.33 | ExeciN | Nik05: I don't know but I found that squeeze does not boot but wheezy does (today's versions) |
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| 19:20.09 | MrNobody | it's probably also too late to file a bug against the kernel - it appears that 3.2.0 has a bug that shuts out the input on the audio chip that is on my mobo (790fx-gd70) |
| 19:20.39 | jelly-home | MrNobody: actually, that one might have a good chance if it's a driver-only fix |
| 19:20.59 | Contingency | tremon: Hosting isnt an issue, I have a lot of resources. Its more of I'm not fully satisfied on how to achieve what I'm wanting |
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| 19:21.12 | MrNobody | jelly-home: cool, I'll file it when I get home from work. Kinda irritating to go and use the Gnome sound recorder and find out there's no mic input, it just "disappeared" :P |
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| 19:23.18 | Contingency | Okay I'll list another example OpenSuse has the online distro builder using OpenSuse as a base. They allow you to install what you want, take out what you dont, and even put in your own custom stuff. How can I do this but manually |
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| 19:23.42 | abrotman | Contingency: have you look at the CDD stuff? |
| 19:23.51 | MrNobody | Contingency: use debian live build. |
| 19:23.54 | abrotman | ... |
| 19:24.18 | tremon | abrotman: cdd? |
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| 19:24.31 | abrotman | ask the bot, you know how that works |
| 19:24.39 | MrNobody | Contingency: keep in mind it's not 100% "stable" but I've used it successfully a few times. http://live-build.debian.net/cgi-bin/live-build |
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| 19:24.47 | jelly-home | abrotman: you're not a bot? |
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| 19:25.40 | MrNobody | Contingency: it won't give you "package level" selection but it might be a good starting place, as you'll end up with a CD image that has the repo on it. |
| 19:25.52 | abrotman | jelly-home: /nick abotman |
| 19:26.06 | abrotman | MrNobody: CDD |
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| 19:27.14 | MrNobody | a better search in the wiki would be "DebianCustomCD" |
| 19:27.33 | abrotman | better than liveCD ... |
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| 19:27.45 | Contingency | Okay if I can give you a detailed explanation of what I'm trying to achieve would it make it easier to assess the best way to go? |
| 19:28.16 | abrotman | better than us guessing |
| 19:28.22 | Contingency | Lol okay give me a sec |
| 19:29.54 | nickn | Can I force apt to use only a proxy, if the proxy is not online, apt must fail. |
| 19:29.58 | nickn | Can I set that somewhere? |
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| 19:30.34 | Brigo | nickn: i think there is something like apt-proxy |
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| 19:31.02 | nickn | there is also apt-cacher, 1apt-cacher-ng and approx |
| 19:31.06 | jelly-home | nickn: isn't that how it works when you configure a proxy anyway? |
| 19:31.09 | nickn | however, this is a client side issue |
| 19:31.20 | nickn | in this case it is important that only the proxy is used |
| 19:31.23 | Contingency | Okay most of my friends or dev teams we do a lot of programming whether its java, C, or Web development, etc. I'm wanting to create a Debian based linux that comes prepackaged with a load of development tools. After the initial install and first boot you will be prompted with a Welcome screen after you login. Saying thank you for using this distro yatayatayata. But its basically gonna setup the deving environnment they are gonna |
| 19:31.35 | nickn | when the apt on client cannot connect to proxy, it must fail. |
| 19:31.59 | abrotman | Contingency: create your own metapackage .. |
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| 19:32.04 | abrotman | so much easier |
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| 19:32.43 | Contingency | So they will be asked what will you be developing on: C+, Java, Web Development, Python, etc but depending on what they choose will depend on the programs, it will change the desktop settings, it will change and setting certain programs at default, it will add custom links, etc |
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| 19:33.16 | Contingency | So it will basically be completely different setups depending on what they choose. |
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| 19:33.29 | hacosta | hi, is there a way to set postinst variables to allow unattended installs on some package that has db_input high ? |
| 19:33.36 | abrotman | Contingency: and? |
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| 19:33.55 | Contingency | I can accomplish all this with metapackage? |
| 19:34.19 | abrotman | Contingency: you could .. you could create different metapackages for each type of dev work |
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| 19:34.29 | Contingency | Oo I like the sound of this |
| 19:34.33 | abrotman | and you could even have some that depend on common/core packages |
| 19:34.55 | Contingency | Okay sounds like what I'm wanting |
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| 19:34.57 | abrotman | so your C and Java guys both get Vim, your web guys get Emacs, cause they're weird :) |
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| 19:35.18 | abrotman | but they all get latex or something |
| 19:35.37 | Contingency | Exactly |
| 19:35.38 | jelly-home | abrotman: he might even call those metapackages foo-tasks! |
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| 19:35.43 | MrNobody | abrotman: just curious, is tasksel going to be deprecated in the near future? |
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| 19:36.22 | abrotman | MrNobody: i would hope so .. but don't see it happening .. it makes it very easy for new folks to find what they want |
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| 19:36.32 | abrotman | jelly-home: stop with the foo! |
| 19:36.49 | jelly-home | but I'm hungr |
| 19:36.50 | MrNobody | because I would love to send a wishlist in for a task named "Home Server" ;) which would set up a basic NFS/Samba/AFP file server, along with some basic media services |
| 19:37.08 | abrotman | MrNobody: you can |
| 19:37.14 | abrotman | jelly-home: welcome to my world |
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| 19:38.54 | shifuimam | I finally got debian working on an old PowerBook G4. Everything was peachy until I rebooted (not the first time rebooting), and now i'm getting errors with the GUP governor |
| 19:38.58 | shifuimam | s/GUP/CPU |
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| 19:40.14 | shifuimam | i haven't touched any system settings yet. just made a change in xorg.conf to increase display color depth, which did work.. |
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| 19:42.26 | Contingency | abrotman: So do metapackages only install the programs or can it modify settings too? |
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| 19:44.40 | Nik05 | Contingency: they can modify too |
| 19:45.00 | Nik05 | well not sure if its a meta package then |
| 19:45.32 | Nik05 | i guess not... |
| 19:45.44 | Contingency | Well if I can just make any type of package that can do all this id be happy |
| 19:45.47 | bigbee | hi, what's the word on chrome for a browser |
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| 19:45.58 | bigbee | on debian |
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| 19:46.18 | Nik05 | bigbee: there is chromium |
| 19:46.39 | bigbee | is that not the same |
| 19:47.10 | Nik05 | chromium is the open source browser made by google |
| 19:47.16 | MrNobody | bigbee: not sure but I think it's a branding/trademark issue - look up what had to be done for Firefox/Iceweasel |
| 19:47.20 | Nik05 | chrome has other google shit in it |
| 19:47.41 | Nik05 | MrNobody: Firefox/Iceweasel is different from Chrome/Chromium |
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| 19:48.13 | MrNobody | Nik05: I know, but there may be an issue preventing it from being used; and that issue may be the same one that requires Iceweasel |
| 19:48.41 | bigbee | understand, but is chromium any good |
| 19:48.54 | MrNobody | it works for me - I have it on my desktop at home |
| 19:48.57 | Nik05 | MrNobody license ;) |
| 19:48.57 | enapupe | why not google chrome? |
| 19:49.32 | zykotick9 | enapupe: google-chrome is non-free... why use it? |
| 19:49.34 | enapupe | I had chromium once, can't remember why but google chrome was better.. |
| 19:49.41 | enapupe | non-free? |
| 19:49.50 | enapupe | I didn't know that |
| 19:49.52 | zykotick9 | enapupe: it can't be in debian main. |
| 19:50.14 | MrNobody | enapupe: chromium is basically "chome light". It has some google features removed but the basic browser is there, accepts extensions/themes/plugins just like chrome, etc. |
| 19:50.32 | bigbee | so what everyone is saying is that chrome is not supported by debian |
| 19:50.34 | RigidWig | silly question here, if I gcc'd a c file, how can I now execute the binary file? |
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| 19:50.45 | enapupe | yeah.. google-chrome has different release cycles, webkit versions.. |
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| 19:50.56 | MrNobody | bigbee: because it isn't . You can always install it, but you can never get it directly from Debian. |
| 19:51.08 | Nik05 | RigidWig: type the name in your console and press enter |
| 19:51.09 | enapupe | What I remeber is, as a web developer, chromium missed some featured that were ready in googlechrome stable |
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| 19:51.23 | RigidWig | Nik05: cannot execute binary file |
| 19:51.26 | Nik05 | if it is in the current directory type ./nameoffile |
| 19:51.27 | enapupe | I see no googd reason to not use google chrome |
| 19:51.37 | enapupe | good* |
| 19:51.43 | RigidWig | nik05 ok that one worked, thanks |
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| 19:52.26 | bigbee | guess it is chromium then as i can get all my updates from debian as with all the rest |
| 19:52.37 | Nik05 | RigidWig: if you type it without an absolute or relative path, it will search it in one of the paths thats in $PATH |
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| 19:53.00 | Nik05 | if your directory is not in $PATH you need to use ./ |
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| 19:54.05 | MrNobody | RigidWig: if in doubt, type "which <name>" where <name> is the program/file you are looking for. If it shows a path, then you know you can get to it. If you get nothing, then it's not in your current path. |
| 19:55.32 | RigidWig | thanks for the tips nik05 and mrnobody |
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| 19:57.37 | bigbee | thanks everyone for the info on chromium, think i'll try it out |
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| 20:00.08 | Nik05 | no problem RigidWig thats what IRC is for :) |
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| 20:04.30 | alegen | when using apt pinning, is update preferred instead of dist-upgrade? i mean, when i run dist-upgrade it pulls a lost of stuff from experimental :/ |
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| 20:05.42 | alegen | as if it ignores my apt pinning settings |
| 20:05.54 | tremon | alegen: apt-cache policy is your friend |
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| 20:06.24 | tremon | but if any *-upgrade tries to pull in stuff from experimental without you asking for it, you should rethink what you're doing |
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| 20:06.57 | invariant | How do I use newusers -r such that I get users which cannot login via tty1? |
| 20:07.10 | alegen | tremon: fair enough, will look at the output of apt-cache |
| 20:07.14 | invariant | The documentation for newusers -r says that it already does this. |
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| 20:07.40 | invariant | There are multiple problems: 1) it is not clear what it does 2) it doesn't do what it says that it does. |
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| 20:08.39 | tremon | wonders if newusers was written in redmond |
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| 20:09.22 | MrNobody | alegen: your /etc/apt/sources.list file sounds suspect. Do you have a mix of releases in it? |
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| 20:10.16 | tremon | invariant: there is nothing in my manual of newusers that suggests -r disables the account, only that the passwords will never expire |
| 20:10.40 | NoReflex | Hello! I'm trying to get the Sopcast client from Android to work on my Raspberry Pi (Debian). As far as I know both platforms are ARM based so it should work but whenever I try to run sopclient (the actual executable) I get "No such file or directory" even though the file is there and marked as executable |
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| 20:11.09 | MrNobody | alegen: also, try this in a bash shell: |
| 20:11.09 | MrNobody | apt-get update && apt-get upgrade |
| 20:11.45 | dragonforce | NoReflex: Tried ./Sopcast ? |
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| 20:12.19 | NoReflex | dragonforce, yes; I also copied the binary file to /usr/local/bin but the same problem |
| 20:12.21 | tremon | NoReflex: that could be for any number of reasons. But just as a guess, check readelf -l sopclient|grep interpreter and check if that dynamic loader exists |
| 20:12.33 | tremon | s/if/whether/ |
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| 20:12.56 | invariant | tremon, I am sure I read it somewhere. You are right. |
| 20:13.00 | NoReflex | tremon, [Requesting program interpreter: /system/bin/linker] |
| 20:13.13 | tremon | NoReflex: does /system/bin/linker exist? |
| 20:13.53 | NoReflex | tremon, on the raspberry pi there's no /system folder |
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| 20:15.01 | tremon | NoReflex: then that's why it won't run. You may try to create a symlink in that location, but that road leads to much pain. better to just recompile to the 'pi |
| 20:15.35 | NoReflex | tremon, unfortunately sopcast is closed source; so is the protocol from what I know |
| 20:16.23 | tremon | that's sad, but there's nothing we can do about it |
| 20:16.57 | NoReflex | to which file should the symlink point? /usr/bin/link ? |
| 20:17.52 | tremon | NoReflex: /lib/ld-linux.so or something like that. The chances of that working are very slim, as android isn't unix-compatible |
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| 20:20.01 | ExeciN | I booted wheezy_di_rc1 installer from firewire but I can't get past the phase where it needs to mount the CD-ROM |
| 20:20.53 | ExeciN | it says that I have a non standard media or something like that |
| 20:21.17 | MrNobody | ExeciN: bad disc burn? |
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| 20:22.24 | ExeciN | MrNobody: no. I tried many times to download the image again and write it on my HDD. The problem should be that I am booting the installer from firewire |
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| 20:23.17 | tremon | ExeciN: possibly, the installer kernel doesn't have firewire modules. can you drop to shell (alt-f2) and lsmod? |
| 20:23.53 | ExeciN | I tried to spot something that even remotely reminds firewire on /dev but I found nothing |
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| 20:25.58 | tremon | ExeciN: you might try booting the businesscard iso and running net-install. there's also #debian-boot on oftc |
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| 20:26.52 | ExeciN | tremon: what should I expect from lsmod (I am asking because when I restart I have to connect using my phone and the connection is unreliable) |
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| 20:27.35 | tremon | not sure, at one time the kernel module was called ieee1394. but there were two competing firewire frameworks, not sure which one survived |
| 20:27.36 | ExeciN | I mean what should not be missing for firewire to work |
| 20:27.42 | ExeciN | ah ok |
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| 20:28.12 | martin_ | hi is there a gui programm vor configen apache :D |
| 20:28.55 | Uuni | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:31.38 | tremon | ExeciN: the module is either ieee1394 (old) or firewire-core (new). there's also firewire-ohci |
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| 20:33.45 | NoReflex | tremon, I created /system/bin and did ln -s /lib/ld-linux.so.3 linker |
| 20:34.13 | NoReflex | now running sopcast gives: sopclient: error while loading shared libraries: libstdc++.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory so I guess it is a step in the right direction |
| 20:34.28 | ExeciN | tremon: lsmod gives nothing firewire related |
| 20:35.08 | ExeciN | *correction there is firewire_core |
| 20:35.10 | tremon | NoReflex: yes, at least that's something. you can use ldd $binary to check which libraries are missing. |
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| 20:35.53 | tremon | ExeciN: can you modprobe firewire-sbp2 ? |
| 20:35.53 | NoReflex | I already tried ldd /usr/local/bin/sopclient but that gives not a dynamic executable |
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| 20:36.08 | ExeciN | also firewire_ohci and firewire_sbp2 |
| 20:36.35 | tremon | NoReflex: it isn't? Then why did it need the dynamic linker? I think ldd isn't too clever then |
| 20:36.43 | leotr | hi! where can i find description of preseed file settings? |
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| 20:37.03 | ExeciN | tremon: no output |
| 20:37.17 | leotr | for example i want explanation of d-i console-setup/ask_detect |
| 20:37.33 | tremon | ExeciN: you should only need sd_mod and firewire-sbp2 for firewire drives |
| 20:38.01 | tremon | ExeciN: modprobe never gives output of the module is loaded succesfully (or is already loaded) |
| 20:38.32 | tremon | s/of/if/ |
| 20:38.43 | ExeciN | lsmod gives both none is used |
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| 20:39.21 | tremon | ExeciN: does dmesg|grep sd give any indication that the drive was detected? |
| 20:39.24 | zykotick9 | ExeciN: i assumed this was a ieee1394-cdrom drive, is it actually a HD? if it's a HD - how did you create the HD image? and what did you use as a source (which iso/image)? |
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| 20:42.38 | ExeciN | dmesg|grep sd show both hard drives detected (yes that is an HD not a firewire cd rom) |
| 20:43.05 | tremon | zykotick9: tag |
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| 20:43.26 | tremon | has never used a hard-disk installer image |
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| 20:43.41 | zykotick9 | tremon: i'm not asking why only part of my question was answered. suspecting unetbootin though. |
| 20:44.01 | ExeciN | i used cat to write the image to my hd |
| 20:44.12 | tremon | ExeciN: ok, so the drive is detected properly. That leaves only the question why the installer iso isn't detected properly |
| 20:44.34 | tremon | ExeciN: iirc you should put the image on there as an iso, not dd it |
| 20:45.07 | tremon | the hd-image tools expect to mount a normal filesystem, then look for *.iso files |
| 20:45.45 | ExeciN | I could try but I don't think that Macs work that way |
| 20:45.53 | Contingency | I can unpack a debian iso modify some files, repackage it into an iso and it should still work right? |
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| 20:46.24 | zykotick9 | tremon: the "what source" wasn't answered - this might be the regular hybrid iso. |
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| 20:48.00 | ExeciN | I suspect that there is some kind of efi loader on the image I used because the boot selection screen displayed the bootable partition labeled as EFI Boot |
| 20:48.08 | tremon | ExeciN: like I said, I've never actually worked with the installer that way (I have a pxeboot system here) |
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| 20:54.55 | dennisvb | Wich Debian version is recommended? Squeeze, wheezy, sid..? |
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| 20:56.13 | daemonkeeper | If you have to ask, the answer is Squeeze. |
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| 20:56.43 | ksuhku | ^ seconded |
| 20:57.17 | zykotick9 | dennisvb: while i think daemonkeeper gave the right answer, personally i'd probably suggest wheezy at this point... YMMV |
| 20:57.23 | dvs | thirdeded? |
| 20:57.44 | dennisvb | I am not a Linux noob btw haha. |
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| 20:57.51 | daemonkeeper | That's not the point. |
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| 20:58.46 | dennisvb | Then what is the point? |
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| 20:59.42 | wsky | ok, i'm missing some configuration here, i've installed sid from debootstrap, i'm running kde and i'm unable to run X applications from root, any ideas? |
| 21:00.00 | TAiS46 | hello, is there a way to search for a string in a file and output the whole line where the string was found? |
| 21:00.15 | ompaul | wsky: running X apps as root is wrong and won't be supported ;- |
| 21:00.17 | ompaul | ) |
| 21:00.18 | ompaul | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:00.20 | Nik05 | TAiS46 grep ;) |
| 21:00.35 | wsky | ompaul: bs |
| 21:00.35 | daemonkeeper | dennisvb: You can always upgrade to Wheezy if you don't like Squeeze, but the way back is barely possible. Moreover, Wheezy is not more complicated than Squeeze - but more challenging with respect to Debian packaging issues and side effects because Wheezy is in development and might be broken. Sid, on the other hand is definitively broken and you really need to know how revert/fix things if things crash (and they will do) |
| 21:00.43 | ompaul | wsky: happy day to you too |
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| 21:01.05 | Nik05 | TAiS46: grep "string" file |
| 21:01.10 | ExeciN | why does the installer ask for the CD-ROM to be detected and mounted? Isn't everything needed loaded already? |
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| 21:01.24 | tremon | dennisvb: testing is called that way for a reason, it occasionally breaks. Running testing requires that you are familiar with Debian and its packaging system, because you're basically a beta-tester then |
| 21:01.28 | Nik05 | or if you want to search current directory dont enter file |
| 21:01.44 | alegen | tremon, MrNobody: concerning my previous issue with apt pinning, i believe that "Pin: release a=wheezy" is not valid? changing that to a=testing results in the desired apt-cache output |
| 21:01.49 | Nik05 | or do you then need to use -r? |
| 21:01.54 | tremon | ExeciN: because you want to install from that cdrom? If you didn't, you would have used the netinst image instead |
| 21:02.29 | tremon | alegen: iirc it's n=wheezy (symbolic name vs archive) |
| 21:02.44 | alegen | tremon: got it, thanks again :) |
| 21:02.56 | tremon | alegen: again btw, apt-cache policy will tell you :) |
| 21:03.08 | dennisvb | daemonkeeper: tremon: I think I can handle a few broken packages and will go with Wheezy. Thanks! |
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| 21:04.01 | Nik05 | nice unstable got a new unhide and unhide.rb and it says its made for linux >= 3.6 |
| 21:04.46 | Nik05 | its unhide who says that sorry not unhide.rb |
| 21:04.51 | abrotman | Contingency: you could have it do both (if no one answered you) |
| 21:05.37 | Contingency | abrotman: Any ideas on how to do this? |
| 21:05.46 | wsky | ompaul: well, seems that kdesudo works, thatnks for you assistance |
| 21:06.13 | ompaul | wsky: there is that, but running x apps in general is a really quick way to kill your machine |
| 21:06.21 | ompaul | wsky: as root that is |
| 21:06.27 | ExeciN | tremon: I used this iso firmware-wheezy-DI-rc1-amd64-netinst.iso however I haven't found an option for netinst. Is it found in the advanced menu? |
| 21:06.43 | wsky | yay but some apps just require that root access |
| 21:07.13 | zykotick9 | ExeciN: notice the firemware..netinst.iso? that is netinst. |
| 21:07.15 | ompaul | wsky: my take on your question was wrong, which was ... running stuff like browsers |
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| 21:07.25 | _DomY-Dom | Hello, I am trying to install Office 2010 through Wine but wine needs the dotnet20 and msxml6 which can't be installed because it seems that Wine requires "Mono" which I do not know how to install. Anyone ? |
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| 21:07.58 | wsky | ompaul: oh that. yes, that would be silly |
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| 21:08.27 | ExeciN | zykotick9: but it asks to load the drivers from the CD-ROM or something |
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| 21:09.35 | zykotick9 | ExeciN: sorry, i can't really help sorry. you could look into trying the hd-image instead of the regular iso? |
| 21:10.10 | EasyAsPie | hi |
| 21:10.11 | abrotman | Contingency: you can put anything you want in a package .. including any script you like, or any dependency |
| 21:10.30 | tremon | ExeciN: both the standard installer and the netinst installer will require an installation medium (the netinst will need the disc to load the debian-installer from). only the businesscard iso will do everything from the net, iirc |
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| 21:10.54 | abrotman | Contingency: so you can create a package that has a number of dependencies, and an postinst script that will configure things as you prefer |
| 21:11.07 | zykotick9 | tremon: i hear there is no businesscard iso for wheezy... |
| 21:11.13 | Nik05 | there is |
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| 21:11.55 | Contingency | abrotman: Okay so when I make these packages am I going to be putting all the files into it. Or simply telling it what to download and install? |
| 21:12.07 | tremon | so sad... |
| 21:12.20 | Nik05 | http://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/wheezy/main/installer-amd64/current/images/netboot/ the mini.iso is the businesscard iso |
| 21:12.51 | zykotick9 | tremon: so i'm wrong ;) Nik05 thanks. sorry for bad info. |
| 21:12.57 | tremon | less sad! |
| 21:13.19 | Nik05 | sid has also businesscard :P i used it but it couldnt install grub :P |
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| 21:13.42 | Nik05 | so i install lilo with installer booted purge lilo and installed grub |
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| 21:13.42 | daemonkeeper | Nik05: It hasn't. |
| 21:13.54 | ompaul | daemonkeeper: I was going to look for the link :-) |
| 21:14.11 | Nik05 | http://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/sid/main/installer-amd64/current/images/netboot/ <- mini.iso is "businesscard iso" i think |
| 21:14.20 | ExeciN | Nik05: does that include the non-free firmware that the other iso had? |
| 21:14.27 | Nik05 | no ExeciN dont use it |
| 21:14.28 | daemonkeeper | ompaul: <20120804100349.GA19125@mraw.org> |
| 21:14.41 | Nik05 | dont think that mini.iso is really supported |
| 21:14.50 | daemonkeeper | Nik05: mini is not businesscard. |
| 21:14.53 | Nik05 | oh |
| 21:14.59 | Nik05 | whats the difference? |
| 21:15.14 | zykotick9 | tremon: or perhaps i'm not wrong ;) |
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| 21:15.32 | streuner_ | Nik05: not much... |
| 21:15.33 | tremon | so sad... |
| 21:16.06 | Nik05 | ok :P oh and is there a package for the mini.iso or a some place i can look for bugs? |
| 21:16.14 | Nik05 | cause grub is bugged on mini.iso |
| 21:16.18 | streuner_ | Nik05: both of them just able to use network... |
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| 21:17.13 | streuner_ | Nik05: just find an iso which is able to solve your problems |
| 21:17.45 | Nik05 | so it isnt possible to report a bug? |
| 21:17.46 | ExeciN | I coulden't boot with /cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/6.0.6 but I had some luck with /cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/wheezy_di_rc1 what caused the second one to boot? |
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| 21:18.15 | Nik05 | well ExeciN they are unofficial... |
| 21:18.24 | streuner_ | Nik05: sure, but i would ask just in #debian-boot or/and debian-boot (ML) first |
| 21:18.25 | Nik05 | What about take the official one? |
| 21:18.42 | Nik05 | thanks streuner |
| 21:18.49 | streuner_ | good luck |
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| 21:19.08 | Crataegus | Hi all, after several electricity cufoffs I can't start my system I'm getting this error: OpenSSL version mismatch. Built against 10000007f, you have 1000103f |
| 21:19.34 | ExeciN | http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/release/current/amd64/iso-cd/ now I am just confused. what are all those? |
| 21:19.59 | Nik05 | ExeciN images with all packages in it :) |
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| 21:20.30 | JasonWoof | I keep forgetting to subscribe to bugs I file. Can I set reportbug to automatically subscribe me to new bugs? |
| 21:20.31 | Nik05 | use CD-1, netinst (<200MB) |
| 21:20.41 | Nik05 | but do you want squeeze or wheezy? |
| 21:21.06 | Nik05 | oh and there isnt a DVD image |
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| 21:21.45 | ExeciN | Nik05: I prefer squeeze but whatever works I should adopt it |
| 21:21.58 | Nik05 | well if you preferer squeeze install that :) |
| 21:22.13 | Nik05 | if wheezy is release you can always upgrade |
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| 21:22.47 | Nik05 | ExeciN do you want to install over internet? |
| 21:23.04 | ExeciN | Nik05: I don't mind |
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| 21:23.21 | Nik05 | cause there is a netinst only 200MB or something |
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| 21:23.37 | Nik05 | http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/release/current/amd64/iso-cd/debian-6.0.6-amd64-netinst.iso |
| 21:23.48 | ExeciN | Nik05: this is what I just downloaded |
| 21:23.55 | Nik05 | but the installers dont include firmware thats in non-free |
| 21:24.08 | abrotman | Contingency: the latter |
| 21:24.12 | abrotman | !tell Contingency about nmg |
| 21:24.16 | ExeciN | restarting... fingers crossed |
| 21:24.32 | Nik05 | oh ok |
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| 21:26.17 | nicexe | as soon as I choose my drive to boot I get stuck on a black screen |
| 21:27.14 | nicexe | could this be because of my graphics card? I had some similar problems with other distros in the past |
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| 21:27.33 | Nik05 | oh thats really strange nicexe |
| 21:28.38 | Nik05 | you put it on a usb nicexe ? |
| 21:28.43 | nicexe | now that I think about it, it must be a boot related problem. |
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| 21:28.51 | zhopa | ^ÂÊÎÔÛâêîôûĈĉĜĝĤĥĴĵŜŝŴŵŶŷˆ̭̂᷍ḒḓḘḙḼḽṊṋṰṱṶṷẐẑẤấẦầẨẩẪẫẬậẾếỀềỂểỄễỆệỐốỒồỔổỖỗỘộ⨣⨶⩯ꞈ＾ |
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| 21:29.15 | streuner_ | zhopa: nasty |
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| 21:29.41 | nicexe | The label shown before was EFI Boot but now it says Windows (AKA: BIOS in that case) |
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| 21:30.06 | nicexe | Nik05: I can't boot from usb |
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| 21:31.09 | youlysses | finds it weird that it took till wheezy for the installer to have a Wpa option for the network connection. :-P |
| 21:31.14 | Nik05 | nicexe did you burn it on cd? |
| 21:31.38 | nicexe | Nik05: No I am using FireWire |
| 21:31.46 | Nik05 | huh what? :S |
| 21:31.58 | Nik05 | sorry have no idea how that works |
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| 21:32.23 | nicexe | firewire hdd not cd |
| 21:32.48 | Nik05 | but how did you put the iso on it nicexe ? |
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| 21:33.12 | solar_sea | Hi. I've just upgraded from squeeze to wheezy and I'm having a issue with a self-made kernel package. It's version doesn't start with a number and dpkg complains on every execution. |
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| 21:33.31 | Nik05 | how does it complain solar_sea ? |
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| 21:33.35 | solar_sea | I can see the offending package in 'dpkg -l', it's in /var/lib/dpkg/status, but I cannot remove it |
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| 21:33.58 | Nik05 | solar_sea give use info about the package |
| 21:33.58 | solar_sea | Nik05: dpkg-query: warning: parsing file '/var/lib/dpkg/status' near line 39163 package 'linux-image-3.2.0': error in Version string 'solar-virt': version number does not start with digit |
| 21:34.17 | ExeciN | Nik05: sorry for the mess I was nicexe (from my phone until my computer boot) |
| 21:34.28 | Nik05 | i know you were nice :) |
| 21:35.19 | ExeciN | Nik05: this is how I prepared my HDD cat debian-6.0.6-amd64-netinst.iso > /dev/disk1 |
| 21:35.28 | Nik05 | oh ok |
| 21:36.05 | Nik05 | well maybe you need to do /dev/disk? |
| 21:36.14 | Nik05 | i dont know how it works with firewire |
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| 21:36.30 | Nik05 | but is "disk1" a partition on /dev/disk? |
| 21:36.50 | ExeciN | no disk1s1 is a partition |
| 21:36.57 | Nik05 | oh ok |
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| 21:37.45 | DelphiWorld | hi debianists:) |
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| 21:37.54 | DelphiWorld | is there any way to show progress while using cp? |
| 21:38.34 | brandonj | DelphiWorld: you can easily show progress with rsync |
| 21:38.43 | streuner_ | DelphiWorld: i would just use mc |
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| 21:38.54 | DelphiWorld | mc is inusable by me... accessibility issue |
| 21:39.09 | streuner_ | your are an idiot then |
| 21:39.21 | DelphiWorld | abrotman: react streuner_ |
| 21:39.35 | brookie` | Hello, may I get help? I want to run a java irc bot on my new vps that is debian wheezy 7.0. I just got this shell, and I don't know how to use it much either.... |
| 21:39.43 | DelphiWorld | brandonj: thank, how to sync directorys using rsync? |
| 21:39.55 | veelium` | DelphiWorld: search the web, there a lots of scripts that show progress for cp |
| 21:39.59 | brookie` | I need the latest java and to be able to do commands like, javac -classpath pircbot.jar;. *.java |
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| 21:40.23 | DelphiWorld | veelium`: yes, i should use rsync like brandonj say |
| 21:40.26 | ExeciN | I think what allowed the installer to boot was the non-free firmware included in the unofficial wheezy_di_rc1 and more specifically the EFI bootloader (I cannot be sure though) |
| 21:40.49 | brookie` | Can anyone help me get java 7 installed and this working? |
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| 21:40.59 | brandonj | DelphiWorld: the syntax is similar to cp, you can do 'rsync -r --progress src/ destination/' I think |
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| 21:41.17 | DelphiWorld | let try brandonj |
| 21:41.27 | brandonj | brookie`: I suggest you look into make-jpkg |
| 21:41.43 | brookie` | how? |
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| 21:42.18 | brandonj | brookie`: it allows you to make debian packages from the binary java downloads on oracle's website |
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| 21:42.35 | lc | hi to all |
| 21:42.36 | brookie` | -bash: make-jpkg: command not found |
| 21:42.38 | brookie` | like that? |
| 21:42.41 | DelphiWorld | brandonj: works, but is skyping my directorys. example: skipping directory Resistance |
| 21:42.41 | brookie` | Sorry I'm confused |
| 21:42.52 | brandonj | brookie`: you have to install the 'java-package' package first |
| 21:43.02 | brandonj | which comes with the make-jpkg utility |
| 21:43.07 | brookie` | how? Lol I'm new to this |
| 21:43.07 | DelphiWorld | brookie`: apt-get update && apt-get install java |
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| 21:43.10 | abrotman | DelphiWorld: what? |
| 21:43.13 | brookie` | ok |
| 21:43.25 | DelphiWorld | abrotman: see what streuner_ sayd. |
| 21:43.40 | brookie` | E: Could not open lock file /var/lib/apt/lists/lock - open (13: Permission denied) |
| 21:43.40 | brookie` | E: Unable to lock directory /var/lib/apt/lists/ |
| 21:43.40 | brookie` | E: Could not open lock file /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (13: Permission denied) |
| 21:43.40 | brookie` | E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), are you root? |
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| 21:43.41 | brandonj | 'java' is not a package name |
| 21:43.41 | streuner_ | i said he is an idiot |
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| 21:43.49 | brookie` | sorry next time I'll pastebin |
| 21:44.00 | brookie` | I just thought that was small enough to copy paste.... |
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| 21:44.07 | abrotman | streuner_: you should know better, seriously |
| 21:44.08 | Nik05 | brookie`: are you root? :P |
| 21:44.11 | brookie` | no |
| 21:44.26 | DelphiWorld | Thank abrotman |
| 21:44.29 | brandonj | the command won't work anyway, since 'java' isn't a package |
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| 21:44.37 | brookie` | should I talk to the person who gave me the vps, I'm not allowed tobe root I have my own user I guess.. |
| 21:44.42 | brookie` | well what should I do? |
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| 21:45.23 | lc | how can i set up a shared directory binded with the openmediavault NAS? |
| 21:45.37 | brandonj | if you can't install packages as root, the situation becomes slightly more complicated, brookie` |
| 21:45.49 | brookie` | :/ should I talk to the guy then....? |
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| 21:46.53 | brookie` | I messaged him... |
| 21:46.56 | ExeciN | How can I include a firmware I need in debian-6.0.6-amd64-netinst.iso ? |
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| 21:47.18 | brandonj | brookie`: what do you need oracle's java for? |
| 21:47.58 | DelphiWorld | brandonj: dude, how do i make rsync include all my dir's? |
| 21:48.11 | DelphiWorld | rsync -R --progress * /mnt/transcode give me skyping my directorys |
| 21:48.26 | brookie` | I want to host a java irc bot on this. |
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| 21:48.36 | brookie` | And javac isn't a command and that is how I start the bot... |
| 21:48.41 | brandonj | DelphiWorld: the recursive option is a lowercase 'r' |
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| 21:49.09 | DelphiWorld | oh brandonj |
| 21:49.31 | DelphiWorld | funy brandonj :) |
| 21:49.31 | brandonj | DelphiWorld: see 'man rsync' |
| 21:49.33 | DelphiWorld | tts suck |
| 21:49.51 | DelphiWorld | brandonj: i use tts and i didnt see the diference bethwan R and r :-D |
| 21:50.02 | brandonj | oh, sorry about that! |
| 21:50.08 | DelphiWorld | brandonj: dude you rocks, thank |
| 21:50.20 | brandonj | brookie`: you should probably talk to the guy running the vps, java can be a security risk, etc, etc |
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| 21:51.04 | brookie` | yeah I messaged him |
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| 21:51.54 | brandonj | DelphiWorld: no problem! |
| 21:52.03 | DelphiWorld | brandonj: guess what i'm doing |
| 21:52.18 | DelphiWorld | i am transcoding my flac files to mp3 in real time while coppying them using mp3fs :P |
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| 21:52.25 | DelphiWorld | very funy one |
| 21:52.25 | brookie` | incase he is willing to do it, what commands should I make him do? |
| 21:52.43 | aguitel | how remove lxde |
| 21:52.46 | DelphiWorld | brookie`: please search for how to install java debian and you'lle found it:P |
| 21:53.14 | brookie` | is it just [15:42:47] <DelphiWorld> brookie`: apt-get update && apt-get install java |
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| 21:53.27 | brandonj | brookie`: you should first investigate if you need oracle's java to run this, or if it will run on the openjre which is included in the debian repositories |
| 21:53.36 | brookie` | ok |
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| 21:53.59 | aguitel | how remove gnome |
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| 21:54.24 | DelphiWorld | Thank everyone for your valuable help |
| 21:54.46 | DelphiWorld | and congratulation to streuner_ for removing his mouth |
| 21:54.48 | brandonj | brandonj: most likely it will run on openjdk, and you can install that with 'sudo apt-get install openjdk-7-jre' |
| 21:54.58 | DelphiWorld | NITE! |
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| 21:55.45 | brandonj | oops, brookie` ^^ |
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| 21:57.36 | brookie` | brookie is not in the sudoers file. This incident will be reported. |
| 21:57.42 | brookie` | lmfao woops |
| 21:58.04 | brookie` | [15:56:31] <NullByte> i will install java |
| 21:58.04 | brookie` | [15:56:33] <NullByte> just a second |
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| 22:00.41 | apollo1 | Any definite release date for wheezy? |
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| 22:03.09 | ompaul | daemonkeeper: you know that mini.iso that was mentioned earlier |
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| 22:04.12 | zykotick9 | apollo1: no. see "/msg dpkg wwwr" and/or "/msg dpkg rc bugs" for further details |
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| 22:04.30 | apollo1 | thanks! |
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| 22:04.49 | brookie` | [16:01:48] <NullByte> default-jre is already the newest version. |
| 22:04.50 | brookie` | [16:02:16] <NullByte> you need java development? |
| 22:04.57 | brookie` | What would it be considered? |
| 22:05.03 | jacksmithz | why is there no lxdm package for debian? |
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| 22:07.55 | ompaul | jacksmithz: is that by any chance the lxde |
| 22:08.24 | ompaul | is sure it is |
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| 22:09.03 | jacksmithz | its the "real" lxde display manager (lxde in debian squeezy use the gdm display manager) |
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| 22:09.13 | brookie` | yay worked |
| 22:09.14 | brookie` | bye |
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| 22:09.39 | ompaul | jacksmithz: so help on porting the new dm |
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| 22:10.00 | jacksmithz | its not new |
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| 22:10.09 | ompaul | it will be if you get it in |
| 22:10.50 | jacksmithz | true |
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| 22:17.57 | sencha | If I select "Debian desktop environment" in the install, is it going to download a ton of stuff? |
| 22:18.17 | sencha | I've already selected to set up the mirrors, but I really don't want to have to wait any longer for it to download more stuff. |
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| 22:18.43 | zykotick9 | sencha: if you're using netinst, then yes. if cd1/dvd1, the probably not. |
| 22:18.43 | dvs | sencha: it will download a ton of stuff (GNOME) |
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| 22:19.30 | sencha | I'm using xfce install cd |
| 22:19.49 | sencha | debian-testing install cd with xfce, that is |
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| 22:20.05 | sencha | dvs, okay, well I want to avoid that, thanks |
| 22:20.24 | sencha | thanks zykotick9 too, although I think dvs might be the one who's right (I've done debian installs in the past) |
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| 22:21.14 | dvs | sencha: which install CD? There's several. |
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| 22:21.33 | sencha | dvs, |
| 22:21.36 | sencha | er |
| 22:21.47 | sencha | dvs, debian-testing-i386-xfce-CD-1.iso |
| 22:22.10 | dvs | sencha: Oh, you would get xfce instead of GNOME |
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| 22:22.29 | sencha | dvs, but if I just have cd1, it would still end up downloading a ton of stuff? |
| 22:22.32 | lc | how can i set up a shared directory binded with the openmediavault NAS? |
| 22:22.49 | sencha | dvs, I already clicked past it in the install, so thanks :) |
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| 22:22.55 | dvs | sencha: maybe not. The netinst downloads everything from the net. |
| 22:23.09 | sencha | well I'll just apt-get install xfce if I have to |
| 22:23.16 | dvs | k |
| 22:23.49 | zykotick9 | sencha: sorta defeats the purpose of downloading that CD-1... netinst would have been a lot faster ;) |
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| 22:24.03 | Jeena | Hi, I have written a Python Qt application https://github.com/jeena/Bungloo/wiki and I'd like to package it as a .deb so it is easier for people to download and install it. Is there a tutorial on how to do that? |
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| 22:24.53 | zykotick9 | Jeena: you probably want to see "/msg dpkg nmg" |
| 22:25.24 | sencha | zykotick9, well, my internet is quite slow :( It looks like it didn't install Xfce or even xorg, so ... |
| 22:26.07 | Jeena | ok thanks, I will check the links out |
| 22:26.13 | sencha | Now that I'm booted into the system, is there a way to go back and install what would have been installed had I selected that? |
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| 22:26.32 | sencha | I don't know what all "debian desktop environment" entails |
| 22:26.40 | zykotick9 | sencha: "tasksel" |
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| 22:30.32 | acu | Does SEARCH function in Nautilus works ? I use wheezy and it gives nothing, though I am sure the files are there |
| 22:31.19 | acu | I choose search by location and place *.svg (I want all Inkscape files to show up) |
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| 22:32.19 | gry | Debian has a package in its repos. I add a line to /etc/sources.list indicating a non-debian repo with the same package. Will it install the package from its repos or from the one I indicated in this case? |
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| 22:34.20 | zykotick9 | gry: is it deb-multimedia by chance? if so, it's version will superseed debian main's :( for other repos, which has pin priority ("apt-cache policy" to check)? |
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| 22:34.59 | gry | no, it's not |
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| 22:35.13 | Nik05 | deb-multimedia isnt that nice... |
| 22:35.26 | Nik05 | dependancy problems |
| 22:35.45 | Nik05 | so i just compile them myself |
| 22:36.14 | gry | zykotick9, https://pastee.org/w9tn9 |
| 22:36.50 | Nik05 | still to bad that deb-multimedia cant be in debian repository :( |
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| 22:37.29 | abcdeef | hello |
| 22:37.30 | zykotick9 | gry: appears debian.weechat.org wins |
| 22:37.40 | gry | why does that happen? |
| 22:37.46 | abcdeef | what is the meaning of this picture and the message please?http://www.funri.com/after-i-heard-that-my-crush-has-a-crush-on-me/ |
| 22:37.50 | gry | zykotick9: because larger version or something else? |
| 22:38.14 | abrotman | abcdeef: how is that related to Debian? |
| 22:38.30 | dvs | calls The Frantics |
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| 22:38.37 | abcdeef | nothing at all, but people who uses linux are very intelligent, so i thought of you |
| 22:38.40 | abcdeef | i dont understand |
| 22:38.47 | abrotman | abcdeef: go play in #defocus |
| 22:38.58 | abcdeef | i am from spain, not very good at english also |
| 22:39.10 | NoReflex | hello! I copied a C library to a folder along with and executable and did export LD_LIBRARY_PATH=. ; however when trying to run the executable I still get cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 22:39.16 | abrotman | abcdeef: go play in #defocus |
| 22:39.19 | abcdeef | plese helpme, give me your interpretations |
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| 22:39.33 | abrotman | abcdeef: please use #defocus for such things, good luck |
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| 22:40.06 | acu | you are the weakest link - Goodbye :) |
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| 22:40.34 | NoReflex | the executable is sopcast; the OS is debian; platform is raspberry pi and the library is libstdc++.so from an android phone |
| 22:41.01 | NoReflex | how can I test that the library is compatible with Debian for raspberry pi |
| 22:41.04 | NoReflex | ? |
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| 22:41.25 | acu | I want to get a Debian Wheezy capable tablet (10 inch at least) does anyone have any sugestion ? |
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| 22:42.23 | jhutchins_wk | !arm |
| 22:42.23 | dpkg | Advanced RISC Machine (ARM) is a processor architecture. The Debian arm port was deprecated at Debian 5.0 with official support dropped at Debian 6.0, ask me about <armel> for the replacement port. See also <armhf>. http://www.debian.org/ports/arm/ For help with Debian on ARM systems, join #debian-arm on irc.oftc.net. |
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| 22:42.44 | jhutchins_wk | NoReflex: You probably have to relink the libraries. |
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| 22:44.14 | zykotick9 | jhutchins_wk: personally, i question "libstdc++.so from an android phone" running on any debian. but i have no idea... no armel/armhf devices. |
| 22:44.23 | NoReflex | jhutchins_wk, sopcast is closed source ... |
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| 22:46.15 | jhutchins_wk | NoReflex: I haven't messed around with it in a while - I stick to stable packages these days - but there is a prelink step that indexes libraries. If it's proprietary software, you know where to go if you have trouble with it. |
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| 22:46.54 | dvs | points down |
| 22:47.20 | NoReflex | zykotick9, I copied libstdc++.so from an Android phone because there is no official sopcast for ARM (only android) but it contains an executable (sopcast) which should run on ARM but complains about libstdc++.so |
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| 22:47.37 | KsM | ugh |
| 22:48.11 | KsM | I have thunar and nautilus and neither of them apparently care when I insert a microSD |
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| 22:48.54 | jhutchins_wk | KsM: Check dmesg. Not all readers have working drivers. |
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| 22:48.57 | KsM | I had thunar set up to automount, it doesn't. It doesn't show up to allow mounting in either nautilus or thunar. dmesg says it's there though |
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| 22:51.05 | NoReflex | KsM, can you manually mount the SD Card? does it show up afterwards in nautilus or thunar? |
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| 22:53.06 | Paul_46 | does apt preferences in debian support wildcards in package names? |
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| 22:53.44 | KsM | NoReflex: yes |
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| 22:56.59 | claw__ | Paul_46, yes |
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| 22:58.09 | Paul_46 | claw__: hmm... it seems to be ignoring my attempts to do so |
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| 22:59.16 | claw__ | well you usualy use "Package: * \ Pin release a=sid" to pin all pakages from sid |
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| 22:59.44 | Paul_46 | I was trying to do Package: php* to grab only php packages from dotdeb |
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| 23:00.55 | abrotman | Paul_46: you don't want to use dotdeb |
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| 23:01.36 | Paul_46 | has used that fine for a whlie now |
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| 23:03.40 | claw__ | e.g.: "Package: php* \ Pin release a=dotdeb \ Pin-Priority: 999" does not work ? |
| 23:04.01 | Paul_46 | i'd used origin packages.dotdeb |
| 23:04.05 | Paul_46 | and that didn't work |
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| 23:04.31 | claw__ | origin seas |
| 23:04.41 | abrotman | !tell Paul_46 about dotdeb |
| 23:04.54 | claw__ | seam to be better idea |
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| 23:06.01 | claw__ | Paul_46, what the URL for dotdeb ? |
| 23:06.51 | Paul_46 | yes, with the url packages.dotdeb.org |
| 23:07.06 | Paul_46 | abrotman: and yea, I know he's released crap in the past |
| 23:07.26 | claw__ | Paul_46, so origin should be "packages.dotdeb.org" |
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| 23:07.46 | DelphiWorld | hi back |
| 23:07.55 | Paul_46 | claw__: yes, and that didn't seem to do a wildcard match |
| 23:08.02 | DelphiWorld | guys, is there anyway to make alsa volume up using commandline? |
| 23:08.05 | Paul_46 | (I was looking at apt-cache policy output) |
| 23:08.19 | zykotick9 | DelphiWorld: alsamixer perhaps? |
| 23:08.19 | claw__ | DelphiWorld, alsamixer |
| 23:08.40 | DelphiWorld | claw__: thank, but it's ncurses. is there a shell way? |
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| 23:09.29 | DelphiWorld | zykotick9: thx but i'm looking for a shell way |
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| 23:10.11 | abrotman | DelphiWorld: alsamixer is a CLI way |
| 23:10.29 | abrotman | or try amixer |
| 23:10.30 | DelphiWorld | abrotman: but it's ncursesified |
| 23:10.40 | abrotman | that's CLI ... |
| 23:10.48 | CissWit | but not shell |
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| 23:11.28 | DelphiWorld | abrotman: amixer rocks dude |
| 23:11.33 | CissWit | amixer is maybe i didn't read |
| 23:12.02 | abrotman | CissWit: alsamixer works at the shell, requires no Xorg to be used |
| 23:12.24 | CissWit | but requires a terminal that is not required by a shell |
| 23:12.35 | DelphiWorld | LOL CissWit |
| 23:12.51 | CissWit | ? |
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| 23:13.02 | DelphiWorld | CissWit: comment je peux ogmanté mon volume son avoir utilisé alsamixer? |
| 23:14.05 | Nik05 | parle anglais |
| 23:14.11 | CissWit | !tell DelphiWorld about french |
| 23:14.23 | DelphiWorld | CissWit: :D |
| 23:14.28 | Nik05 | s.v.p. :) |
| 23:14.32 | abrotman | english here |
| 23:14.34 | DelphiWorld | CissWit: i tryed amixer but i dont see how to make volume up |
| 23:14.41 | abrotman | DelphiWorld: read the man page |
| 23:15.11 | abrotman | it even has examples |
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| 23:15.49 | aguitel | i am running lxde but my system is too slow ,see that:http://pastie.org/6219036 ,what service need to stop ? |
| 23:16.04 | zykotick9 | thinks examples should be included in all man pages (i hear BSD does this more commonly) |
| 23:16.10 | abrotman | zykotick9: patches welcome |
| 23:16.30 | abrotman | aguitel: try using 'top' or 'htop' .. ps aux won't help much |
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| 23:16.44 | aguitel | abrotman, ok |
| 23:16.52 | abrotman | aguitel: though, your firefox-bin seems to be a bit wonky |
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| 23:19.20 | awc737 | how can I execute an event on a time, without cron? |
| 23:19.35 | aguitel | abrotman, http://paste.kde.org/675296/ |
| 23:19.41 | zykotick9 | awc737: at perhaps? |
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| 23:20.13 | abrotman | awc737: atd |
| 23:20.18 | awc737 | thank , at looks right |
| 23:20.21 | abrotman | aguitel: and what did i tell you ? |
| 23:20.34 | awc737 | would it be feasible to modify a .htaccess during a specific time to redirect |
| 23:20.41 | awc737 | say from 1-1:30 am only |
| 23:20.46 | aguitel | abrotman, remove iceweasel ? |
| 23:21.11 | abrotman | remove? why remove? |
| 23:21.26 | abrotman | awc737: if you can figure out how to script it, sure |
| 23:21.50 | aguitel | abrotman, coz my system is too slow |
| 23:21.53 | awc737 | abrotman: I'm just a web developer :/ |
| 23:21.57 | awc737 | would this be a bash script? |
| 23:22.01 | awc737 | i've written a few small ones |
| 23:22.09 | awc737 | I assume I would just have two .htaccesses and switch between them |
| 23:22.12 | awc737 | or mv them |
| 23:22.41 | abrotman | aguitel: so close iceweasel |
| 23:22.55 | abrotman | awc737: or change permissions on them |
| 23:23.05 | aguitel | abrotman, and then |
| 23:23.17 | awc737 | why change perm? either way I need another file (or different lines) |
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| 23:23.44 | dondelelcaro | [6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~/sb end |
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| 23:24.49 | abrotman | aguitel: and then start it again ? |
| 23:24.53 | abrotman | awc737: no, you don't |
| 23:24.54 | dondelelcaro | hrm... thhrm... sorry about that. |
| 23:25.02 | awc737 | abrotman: why not? |
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| 23:25.08 | awc737 | I'm trying to add in a temporary redirect |
| 23:25.17 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: at least it wasn't a pile of carriage returns mixed in |
| 23:25.27 | abrotman | awc737: and the rest of the time it should do what? |
| 23:25.39 | awc737 | just continue to be the current .htaccess |
| 23:25.47 | awc737 | and at 1am, I need one line added to .htaccess |
| 23:25.52 | awc737 | and at 2am, remove the l ine |
| 23:25.52 | dondelelcaro | awc737: if you want to do a redirect based on time, apache supports that |
| 23:25.57 | awc737 | oh |
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| 23:26.11 | abrotman | or that! |
| 23:26.12 | dondelelcaro | awc737: see RewriteCond |
| 23:26.51 | simplechat | Hey guys, what's the standard way of dealing with a broken package from backports? |
| 23:27.11 | awc737 | thanks dondelelcaro |
| 23:27.12 | simplechat | (Broken as in it requires a package as a dependency that simply doesn't exist) |
| 23:27.27 | dondelelcaro | simplechat: usually you can just /msg the person who uploaded the backported package |
| 23:27.40 | dondelelcaro | simplechat: sometimes that just means that they haven't yet gotten around to backporting the other package |
| 23:27.42 | overjoyedpulp | is there a newb channel? i have a simple question (not for support)--while im not a newb to linux at all, i am to debian and more "stable" distros in general |
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| 23:28.25 | abrotman | simplechat: which package is this? |
| 23:28.33 | abrotman | overjoyedpulp: this is that channel |
| 23:28.40 | simplechat | http://packages.debian.org/squeeze-backports/xen-linux-system-3.2.0-0.bpo.4-amd64 |
| 23:28.49 | simplechat | abrotman, |
| 23:29.15 | dondelelcaro | simplechat: oh. That's part of the kernel package, so that's not really surprising |
| 23:29.26 | simplechat | dondelelcaro, what do you mean? |
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| 23:29.57 | dondelelcaro | simplechat: the kernel package builds that package because xen is present upstream. it'll be present because the kernel has been backported |
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| 23:30.08 | dondelelcaro | simplechat: someone has not specifically decided to backport xen, though |
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| 23:30.19 | overjoyedpulp | is iceweasel 3.5.16 just as secure as the most updated version of firefox, say, on ubuntu? In other words, if i dont want extra features (and just security), then is there any need to install the release version of iceweasel from backports? |
| 23:30.22 | dondelelcaro | simplechat: in this case, you should suggest to the Xen maintainers that they consider backporting xen |
| 23:30.28 | dondelelcaro | simplechat: your alternativley, you can do that. |
| 23:30.56 | abrotman | !tell overjoyedpulp about mdn |
| 23:31.00 | simplechat | I see xen-linux-system-3.2.0-4-amd64 in wheezy |
| 23:31.18 | abrotman | overjoyedpulp: just as a point of functionality, i'd probably use the one from backports |
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| 23:32.27 | zykotick9 | overjoyedpulp: any package in main is looked after by the security team however, so it's relatively "safe". but backports is probably the way to go for iceweasel. |
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| 23:32.41 | overjoyedpulp | thanks abrotman zykotick9 |
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| 23:32.59 | abrotman | overjoyedpulp: mozilla.debian.net may have some further information in terms of backports available for squeeze |
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| 23:33.29 | overjoyedpulp | yeah that's what im on righ tnow, that's what sparked my question abrotman, thanks |
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| 23:34.09 | simplechat | dondelelcaro, so is this just a matter of "xen on 3.2 is in testing but not in backports yet?" |
| 23:34.21 | xeon-enouf | abrotman: fwiw, i'm finally in; you won't believe this.. i was following the wrong link to login; what i was at was just a check to see if rdp was working - ugh |
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| 23:34.58 | xeon-enouf | abrotman: once i found the shortcut and saw the error message - i backtracked my steps and noticed |
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| 23:36.14 | dondelelcaro | simplechat: things don't automatically end up in backports; a maintainer has to upload it there |
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| 23:37.07 | simplechat | kk |
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| 23:41.35 | abrotman | xeon-enouf: whoops |
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| 23:42.33 | xeon-enouf | abrotman: right.. uff |
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| 23:45.13 | Pei | Okay, I have debian 6.0.6 installed on my other laptop but no wifi support. Can someone please tell me what packages I need and where to get them so I can get wifi working? |
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| 23:46.19 | babilen | Pei: Output of "lspci -nn|grep -i network" please |
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| 23:46.57 | Pei | returns to next prompt babilen |
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| 23:47.01 | Pei | with nothing |
| 23:47.21 | babilen | Pei: Ok, what kind of wireless adaptor do you have? |
| 23:47.23 | Pei | er sorrry\ |
| 23:47.43 | babilen | Pei: Or paste the entire output of "lspci -nn" to http://paste.debian.net |
| 23:47.50 | babilen | Pei: Sorry? |
| 23:48.01 | Pei | it returns with Realtek RTL8188CE 802.11b/g/n |
| 23:48.07 | Pei | i put -nm not -nn |
| 23:48.15 | babilen | No, it does not - That is only part of the output |
| 23:48.32 | Pei | yeah i know |
| 23:48.42 | Pei | but that's the part you wanna know right/ |
| 23:48.42 | babilen | Pei: Why didn't you install wheezy as I recommended earlier? |
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| 23:49.00 | babilen | Pei: No, that is not the part I want to know, but it is okay. I can conclude the rest. |
| 23:49.42 | Pei | because wheezy didn't give me options for networking on the net install, i thought i needed NETWORKING for a NET install distro |
| 23:49.56 | Pei | but i can go back and re-install wheezy if you like |
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| 23:50.06 | Pei | only takes a few minutes |
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| 23:51.07 | babilen | Pei: Well, you have to install a newer kernel and firmware. You can either upgrade to wheezy or install the kernel from backports. (see "/msg dpkg squeeze->wheezy" and http://www.debian.org/releases/wheezy/amd64/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html for upgrading instructions. And "/msg dpkg bdo kernel" for instructions on how to install the bdo kernel) |
| 23:51.58 | Pei | why don't i just boot from wheezy install iso and re-install from there |
| 23:52.03 | Pei | would that be better? |
| 23:52.08 | babilen | Pei: either way: You can also just install wheezy from the start. As detailed earlier: You need firmware so either provide that during the installation or use an image with firmware (I gave you all the links earlier) |
| 23:52.31 | babilen | dpkg: tell Pei -about RTL8188CE |
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| 23:57.26 | Pei | ok, so i'll re-install wheezy |
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