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| 00:02.21 | NathanWW | I'm looking for a im/chat server that will allow encryption for the comunications. also not require a domain to connect. it would mainly be for local comunications over the lan. however id like to be able to forward ports thrue the router to allow me to remotely connect and comunicate with the server from remote...? any ideas ejabber requires a domain name and dns server to work if i understand |
| 00:02.21 | NathanWW | it correctly, i want somthing that is stand alone and will work from a simple ip and port forward. if that makes sence? |
| 00:03.38 | Pei | WHEEZES |
| 00:04.01 | Pei | *WHEEEEEEEEEEEEEZE* |
| 00:04.15 | NathanWW | ? |
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| 00:04.24 | Pei | sorry |
| 00:04.33 | abrotman | Pei: you're way too noisy |
| 00:04.33 | NathanWW | sounds like me with my asthma LOL |
| 00:04.56 | Pei | installing wheezy |
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| 00:07.00 | NathanWW | anyone around? |
| 00:07.05 | danburd | hello |
| 00:07.32 | abrotman | NathanWW: there's another one called prosody maybe look at |
| 00:07.35 | mercutio22 | speak your mind |
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| 00:08.51 | Pei | also eeps like crazy |
| 00:09.27 | Pei | babilen: almost done with wheezy install |
| 00:10.14 | danburd | just installed wheezy RC1, works pretty well so far |
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| 00:14.24 | Pei | danburd: oh? i'm installing that right now, but i meant to install the amd64 version |
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| 00:14.45 | Pei | danburd: you plan on getting wifi to work? |
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| 00:16.03 | danburd | Pei: I installed the amd64 version, wifi worked out of the box, unlike in beta3 |
| 00:16.17 | Pei | danburd: oh? |
| 00:16.27 | Pei | danburd: it worked during install? |
| 00:16.29 | Pei | or no |
| 00:16.46 | danburd | Pei: well, the internal wifi worked during install and afterwards, but the dongle needed a non-free driver when with beta3 I don't believe it did |
| 00:17.04 | abrotman | danburd: glad to hear |
| 00:17.10 | danburd | Pei: I didn't need to muddle around in system files to get the wifi that I used during install to work after install |
| 00:17.11 | Pei | hrm |
| 00:17.15 | danburd | Pei: like I did in beta3 |
| 00:17.38 | Pei | danburd: pm? |
| 00:19.12 | abrotman | Pei: danburd please keep it in the channel |
| 00:19.41 | Pei | well |
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| 00:20.05 | Pei | what we're not allowed to pm? LOL! |
| 00:20.10 | Pei | that's crazy |
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| 00:21.04 | dondelelcaro | you can PM if you want, but then don't expect anyone else to be able to help you |
| 00:21.26 | dondelelcaro | (and most of us don't want PMs) |
| 00:21.28 | abrotman | Pei: if it's Debian support related, we'd prefer you keep it in the channel. |
| 00:21.48 | danburd | I'm also not really knowledgable so you're better off asking in the channel so you can get the advice of others |
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| 00:22.05 | Pei | i was just telling him i dun knoww the first thing about getting wifi to work once i get this wheezy RC1 netinstall installed |
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| 00:22.15 | Pei | i didn't wanna look stupid to the whole channel |
| 00:22.52 | abrotman | Pei: that's why we have a support channel, not a support person |
| 00:22.57 | dondelelcaro | no big deal; we've all had to learn this at some point in time |
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| 00:23.11 | Pei | dondelelcaro: :) thanls |
| 00:23.15 | Pei | thanks too |
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| 00:23.48 | danburd | http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi is a good starting point |
| 00:24.04 | danburd | you have to figure out what chipset your wifi hardware is using |
| 00:24.13 | danburd | and get the driver for it |
| 00:24.17 | danburd | though it may work out of the box |
| 00:24.25 | danburd | it has on two machines I've installed on so far |
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| 00:34.15 | testinghd | How do I spin down an external USB drive. I've got a WD My Passport and have tried sdparm sync/stop, echoing to unbind/suspend, etc. |
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| 00:34.58 | Pei | HRM UMM |
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| 00:36.21 | Pei | when i start up wheezy RC1 netinstall after completion of install, it starts to boot, screen goes blank, then comes back with a frozen "glitched/messed-up/unrecognizable" video image on the screen |
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| 00:37.15 | Mattix | is there any way to create a bidirectional pipe in Linux? something like: foo || bar, where foo is connected to bar through stdin and stdout (same for bar) |
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| 00:38.43 | borsuk | Mattix: you could try named pipes |
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| 00:41.12 | dondelelcaro | Mattix: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/139484/connecting-input-and-output-between-of-two-commands-in-shell-bash |
| 00:41.24 | Mattix | thanks |
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| 00:58.26 | Scramblejams | Hi all. I moved a 3TB drive from an external USB enclosure to an SiI 3124 PCIe card. Now that I've moved it, I can see the drive (/dev/sda), but the GPT partition on it which I can see from fdisk doesn't show up in /dev (e.g. /dev/sda1). I'm running stable (2.6.32 amd64). Any tips appreciated. |
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| 01:04.43 | nachos | Hi, how do I use GCC multilib after i've installed it? |
| 01:04.55 | nachos | I'm setting CFLAGS="-m32" but nothing is happening |
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| 01:08.04 | Pei | ok so i'm trying to install the amd64 version of wheezy RC1 netinst, and it does ask me what wifi card to use, but when i put in the info for the WPA it fails at exchanging key info |
| 01:08.34 | Pei | and i know it';s the right passphrase i'm using it on this laptop here, i've even tried disconnecting from this laptop |
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| 01:09.15 | Guest67521 | Want to make some extra money by doing things you all do any how. I need ten individuals to sign up. Give it a try you can get things as well as money for free. Just by clicking on the adds they have available. The have numerous ways to get paid and you can order things from amazon. http://www.points2shop.com/?ref=jvarga29 |
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| 01:10.03 | NathanWW | simple question. i installed debian lenny on a panasonic toughbook cf-28 i was just using it and walked away for a few and the screen went blank normal. but it would not come back was able to ssh in and reboot it from terminal and apon reboot it came back up works fine till it goes "standby" any to bypas it doing that? |
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| 01:14.02 | Pei | hrm no one's here |
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| 01:17.38 | abrotman | NathanWW: why would you install lenny? |
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| 01:23.34 | NathanWW | the reason i went with lenny is that when i installed the latest 6. version of debian it installs fine boots fine i see it starting ect... then it loads in no video no ssh connectivity and it wont reboot with ctrl alt delete. had to manualy power down. then hear there is major issues with video support for this laptop on the new version... or id install the latest. |
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| 01:27.00 | abrotman | NathanWW: tried wheezy? |
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| 01:33.13 | pskosinski | Pei: If I remember correctly WPA2 is not supported in installer. Not sure how with WPA but I suppose that it's not supported either. So simply try to install minimum without internet connection and then, after installation, you can set connection with WPA. |
| 01:33.50 | Pei | it freezes, when i enter username and password info |
| 01:33.54 | Pei | without network |
| 01:34.08 | Pei | in the text install anyways |
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| 01:35.33 | nachos | what |
| 01:35.43 | nachos | what's the name of the 32bit glibc devel packages |
| 01:36.01 | zykotick9 | pskosinski: while squeeze only supported wep/open. i believe the new installer supports both wpa and wpa2 (i can confirm wpa for sure) |
| 01:36.22 | Pei | wpa is what the router yses |
| 01:36.26 | Pei | tkip |
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| 01:37.09 | pskosinski | zykotick9: Oh wait, I was installing Squeeze and updating to Wheezy. :/ Sorry for bad information… |
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| 01:38.48 | Pei | oh wait i got the wpa to succeed this time |
| 01:38.49 | Pei | YAY! |
| 01:39.08 | Pei | and DHCP works |
| 01:39.09 | Pei | wooo |
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| 01:40.18 | abrotman | nachos: apt-cache search libc6 dev |
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| 01:41.15 | nachos | thanks |
| 01:41.26 | nachos | I'm trying to build a 32bit program on my 64bit install but its not working? |
| 01:41.48 | nachos | /usr/include/python2.7/pyport.h:873:2: error: #error "LONG_BIT definition appears wrong for platform (bad gcc/glibc config?). |
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| 01:45.20 | blairsooley | hi |
| 01:45.33 | blairsooley | getting this |
| 01:45.33 | blairsooley | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:45.34 | blairsooley | E: Broken packages |
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| 01:45.50 | abrotman | what is -zero ? |
| 01:46.01 | blairsooley | not sure but trying to install java via apt-get |
| 01:46.14 | abrotman | judd: info openjdk-6-jre-zero |
| 01:46.14 | blairsooley | and tjhats just hte bottom of the error |
| 01:46.17 | judd | No package named 'openjdk-6-jre-zero' was found in squeeze/i386. |
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| 01:46.33 | abrotman | blairsooley: pastebin the output of 'apt-cache policy openjdk-6-jre-zero' |
| 01:46.37 | blairsooley | let me get this goin for u |
| 01:46.37 | blairsooley | ye |
| 01:46.45 | ctmjr | nachos: you need to read up on multiarch |
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| 01:46.58 | blairsooley | http://paste.ee/p/BcLKo |
| 01:47.06 | blairsooley | thats when i try to do install default-jdk |
| 01:47.09 | ctmjr | !tell nachos about multiarch |
| 01:47.26 | blairsooley | pastebining other now |
| 01:47.33 | blairsooley | http://paste.ee/p/qWTFG |
| 01:48.15 | blairsooley | im pretty much getting it every time i do apt-get now |
| 01:48.39 | abrotman | blairsooley: aptitude update .. then try again using aptitude, not apt-get |
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| 01:49.29 | blairsooley | saves failed to fork |
| 01:49.39 | abrotman | huh? |
| 01:49.43 | blairsooley | FATAL -> Failed to fork. |
| 01:49.55 | blairsooley | do u think is something wrong with my openvz templates |
| 01:49.59 | nachos | thanks I fixed it, I found a 64bit one |
| 01:50.01 | blairsooley | i got em off their site tho |
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| 01:51.58 | blairsooley | can u take a look at my first pastebin |
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| 01:52.04 | blairsooley | it keeps doing alot of the error adding ssl certificates or something too |
| 01:52.06 | blairsooley | like its really weird |
| 01:52.09 | abrotman | I did .. does apt-get update work either ? |
| 01:52.28 | blairsooley | it does |
| 01:52.48 | blairsooley | hits and ignores a couple |
| 01:54.22 | abrotman | and you still can't install stuff? |
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| 01:54.50 | abrotman | could you also pastebin your sources.list |
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| 01:55.53 | abrotman | blairsooley: did you change some keyring password? |
| 01:57.04 | blairsooley | o |
| 01:57.14 | blairsooley | not sure if i did that |
| 01:57.16 | blairsooley | i installed gnome |
| 01:57.21 | blairsooley | and tightvnserver |
| 01:57.49 | blairsooley | only 2 lines |
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| 02:00.32 | blairsooley | im gunna reimage teh OS |
| 02:00.39 | blairsooley | with a different openvz template, i think thats the issue |
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| 02:31.37 | Zer000 | help! i'm trying to install ia32-libs and I keep getting "ia32-libs : Depends: ia32-libs-i386 but it is not installable |
| 02:31.37 | Zer000 | E: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages." |
| 02:31.51 | Zer000 | I'm trying to play dwarf fortress on amd64... |
| 02:32.05 | Dwarf | You on wheezy? |
| 02:32.52 | Zer000 | ya |
| 02:32.58 | Dwarf | Enable multiarch |
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| 02:33.46 | Zer000 | I did dpkg --add-architecture i386 |
| 02:33.51 | Zer000 | and did apt-get update |
| 02:34.04 | Dwarf | Mhm |
| 02:34.38 | Dwarf | To install a package from another architecture, install the package like so: package-name:i386 |
| 02:35.02 | Dwarf | Anyway, I'm a complete newbie at this stuff so you'll probably want some expert help on this hehe |
| 02:35.06 | Dwarf | And on that note, goodnight |
| 02:35.10 | Zer000 | hahaha goodnight |
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| 02:38.46 | linux_ | hola alguien escribe en español |
| 02:38.49 | linux_ | ????? |
| 02:38.51 | abrotman | !es |
| 02:38.51 | dpkg | Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat. |
| 02:38.55 | linux_ | buenas noches saludos |
| 02:39.30 | Malsasa | Hello, lintian says copyright-file-contains-full-gpl-license, i have read lintian page about it and debian policy manual, but i don't understand. What should I fill in copyright file? I have filled it with copy of GPL text... |
| 02:39.39 | linux_ | gracias |
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| 02:46.47 | johnfg | hey guys |
| 02:47.26 | KsM | hey guy |
| 02:48.15 | Scramblejams | Hi all. Anybody know why when I format a drive in a USB case (GPT partition type), it works fine, then I move it internally onto SATA and the system won't recognize the partition? |
| 02:48.32 | Scramblejams | With fdisk I can see the partition (though not edit it, as it's a 3 TB drive.) |
| 02:48.44 | johnfg | I noticed an error on the console about not having a jdk. Is the best jdk what's in sources: sun-java6-jdk? |
| 02:48.47 | Scramblejams | But while the drive shows up as /dev/sda, the partition doesn't show up as /dev/sda1. |
| 02:49.26 | Scramblejams | parted says "Error: /dev/sda: unrecognized disk label" |
| 02:49.38 | Scramblejams | I've plugged it into a SiI 3124 PCIe card. |
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| 02:51.18 | johnfg | There's also, jdk-7u13-linux-i586.tar.gz, which is what I have on my gentoo box. |
| 02:51.56 | johnfg | Would it be better to go with the pkg right from oracle? |
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| 02:53.14 | zykotick9 | Scramblejams: fdisk does NOT support GPT. use parted/gparted instead. |
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| 02:56.12 | abrotman | !tell johnfg about java-package |
| 02:56.21 | Scramblejams | <PROTECTED> |
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| 02:56.55 | Scramblejams | zykotick9: I used parted originally to create the GPT label for it. |
| 02:57.19 | zykotick9 | Scramblejams: i had issues with USB and 3TB drive myself, until i partitioned/formated it with eSATA it was "messed"... |
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| 02:57.57 | Scramblejams | zykotick9: Hmm, wonder what's up. It's actually not one drive I'm dealing with but a good-sized RAID6 array. |
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| 02:58.29 | Scramblejams | zykotick9: How would a USB case change the way data's written to the disk? Seems strange. |
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| 02:58.38 | zykotick9 | Scramblejams: with that, i'm out. i know nothing of RAID nor what to get involved with it. best of luck. |
| 02:58.47 | zykotick9 | s/what/want/ |
| 02:59.04 | enkidu | hello. Is there any nice way to remove files in /, that dont belong to any package? |
| 02:59.09 | Scramblejams | zykotick9: I don't need RAID help, just getting my machine to see the partition that it saw just fine when it was plugged in via USB. |
| 02:59.21 | Scramblejams | zykotick9: After that, I'm on my way. |
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| 03:02.10 | johnfg | abrotman: If I'm reading it right, since squeeze lists sun-java6-jdk, I assume Oracle Java 7 is for wheeze or backports? |
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| 03:04.29 | abrotman | johnfg: or manual |
| 03:04.54 | dvs | prefers automatic |
| 03:05.09 | johnfg | abrotman: Back in the old days, probably in redhat < 9, that was the only way I did it, manual. |
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| 03:06.18 | abrotman | heh |
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| 03:20.38 | TuxToTheMax | Anyone know any good V4L2 tutorials? |
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| 03:21.04 | NoDLL | why some setups of openssh on debian would reject the RSA keys by default? |
| 03:21.12 | abrotman | NoDLL: how old? |
| 03:21.17 | awktion | woo hoo! |
| 03:21.22 | NoDLL | 6.0 |
| 03:21.32 | awktion | blacklisted? |
| 03:21.48 | abrotman | NoDLL: there's a number of keys that were generated that are blacklisted because they were incorrectly made |
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| 03:23.52 | NoDLL | I see, the keys were generated just today from another debian box and have if I let it as RSA as default instead of using DSA |
| 03:24.08 | toasto | My sound recently stopped working, I think after doing an apt-get upgrade. Can anyone help me troubleshoot it? Here is mplayer output: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=n8zBnnWA |
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| 03:27.31 | enkidu | toasto: lsof | grep /dev/snd/pcm |
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| 03:30.03 | haylo | any one have some good docs on aes-loop encrypting a simple debian debootstrap install ? |
| 03:30.04 | toasto | enkidu: empty |
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| 03:31.48 | twobitsprite | what happens if you have an LVM snapshot and it runs out of space? |
| 03:31.59 | twobitsprite | the docs aren't entirely clean on this |
| 03:32.02 | twobitsprite | clear* |
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| 03:33.59 | zykotick9 | enkidu: i'm not sure what you're looking for, but you greping for /dev/snd/pcm doesn't find anything on my system either (with working sound). i modified it to << lsof | egrep '{dev|snd|pcm}' >> which did give me some output. toasto |
| 03:34.56 | toasto | output for me is: xfce4-mix 2102 edwin 12u CHR 116,10 0t0 3791 /dev/snd/controlC0 |
| 03:36.40 | awktion | yey |
| 03:38.32 | zykotick9 | toasto: do you have more then one card listed in "cat /proc/asound/cards"? |
| 03:39.05 | toasto | zykotick9: just one, 0 [Intel ]: HDA-Intel - HDA Intel \ |
| 03:39.28 | zykotick9 | toasto: ok, just checkin'. good luck. |
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| 03:53.30 | EasyAsPie | hi |
| 03:53.38 | abrotman | so you said |
| 03:53.44 | dvs | bot time |
| 03:54.00 | abrotman | tried that once already |
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| 04:24.57 | poorrick | What group do I need to be in to open alsamixer as user |
| 04:25.20 | ZekeS | depends |
| 04:25.36 | poorrick | on? |
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| 04:26.09 | zykotick9 | poorrick: i'm gonna go out on a limb, and suggest "audio" ;) but wait for ZekeS' real answer. |
| 04:26.26 | ZekeS | nah, group `audio` is fine |
| 04:26.40 | ZekeS | the "depends" is if you're using consolekit/systemd-logind or not :p |
| 04:26.49 | poorrick | I added myself to audio, and I still get the error 'mixer not found' |
| 04:27.07 | somiaj | poorrick: did you logout and backon (type 'groups' to see if you are in the audio group) |
| 04:27.28 | poorrick | I have to relog |
| 04:27.39 | poorrick | snap! |
| 04:27.40 | ZekeS | Yeah |
| 04:27.56 | poorrick | Well, there's that other problem that maybe someone knows the solution to |
| 04:28.14 | ZekeS | (if you ARE using consolekit/logind, you shouldn't be in the audio group; you should instead see your user in the output of `getfacl /dev/snd/pcm*`) |
| 04:28.30 | poorrick | yeah, I'm not, I'm just not in the audio group |
| 04:28.48 | poorrick | I think I've got myself covered there, thanks |
| 04:29.24 | poorrick | But there's also the issue that I can't get out of x without rebooting. ctrl+alt+f1 yields a black screen |
| 04:29.43 | poorrick | I can type commands in blind, but I can't see anything. |
| 04:29.50 | poorrick | Any ideas about that one? |
| 04:30.01 | zykotick9 | poorrick: did you install out-of-repo drivers for a nvidia/ati card by chance? |
| 04:30.08 | LtL | poorrick: type echo on |
| 04:30.09 | poorrick | Yes I did |
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| 04:30.46 | poorrick | I figured it was the nvidia drivers |
| 04:30.51 | poorrick | driver* |
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| 04:31.05 | poorrick | Any ideas how to fix it though? |
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| 04:32.01 | poorrick | LtL: and that will make it appear? |
| 04:32.25 | LtL | poorrick: possible but doubtful, try reset |
| 04:32.53 | LtL | type reset that is poorrick |
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| 04:33.38 | poorrick | LtL: no dice, I just swiched back from it |
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| 04:34.41 | LtL | poorrick: i think zykotick9's guess is your problem. the nvidia drivers |
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| 04:34.53 | alexfun | hey people |
| 04:34.56 | alexfun | :) |
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| 04:35.20 | alexfun | who here uses otr plugin? |
| 04:35.24 | alexfun | it wont install!!! |
| 04:35.24 | alexfun | :F |
| 04:35.28 | alexfun | :) |
| 04:36.32 | ZekeS | hmm |
| 04:36.40 | JasonWoof | do we know what kernel version (3.?) debian's going to ship next? and approx when? |
| 04:36.42 | ZekeS | just the nvidia drivers shouldn't cause a blankscreen issues |
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| 04:37.17 | zykotick9 | ZekeS: it a fairly common issue actually... how i guessed ;) |
| 04:37.47 | poorrick | ZekeS: The only thing I've run into online anything like it is on the Gentoo wiki, in which the solution involves shifting around com ports |
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| 04:40.19 | poorrick | I could go ahead and swap to slim or something, no worries |
| 04:40.28 | poorrick | Thanks for the help |
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| 04:47.54 | RigidWig | how can I have chmod -R apply to all hidden dirs/subdirs as well? |
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| 04:50.44 | LtL | RigidWig: use find and xargs, but it won't work on hidden files i don't think |
| 04:51.17 | ksinkar | I want to download debian squeeze version. Now when I go to the debian site for getting the torrents, I see a list of 12 DVD's ? I do not want this much data. I just wan the basic installer with minimal OS. Which DVD do I install? |
| 04:52.20 | Tramp | RigidWig: man bash, search for "dotglob" - but be informed, that recursive chmod/chown is extremely dangerous! |
| 04:53.09 | RigidWig | tramp hmmm, alright, I'll just be not lazy for a bit and check the error log and try to do it file by file, hopefuly not too many, th anks tramp and ltl |
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| 04:54.24 | LtL | ksinkar: dvd1 or cd1 |
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| 04:56.53 | canvon | RigidWig: and if you just give it the directory name, without trailing "/*"? |
| 04:58.08 | ksinkar | LtL: thanx |
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| 05:00.47 | seravitae | hi, just installed squeeze, which works, but my kernel version is too low for wifi dongle. tried testing, but it seems kernel >3 has some issue with it. i can't even boot into single mode, it gets about halfway through and then the screen blanks permanently. is there a way i can somehow figure out why this might be happening? |
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| 05:01.19 | JasonWoof | RigidWig: chmod -R does hit hidden files and directories. I just tested it: mkdir c; touch c/.foo; chmod -R o+w c |
| 05:01.29 | JasonWoof | .foo is now writeable by all |
| 05:02.00 | Tramp | JasonWoof: yes, but not if you mkdir .c and then chmod -R * from the cwd - as he was trying to do |
| 05:02.17 | Tramp | since the glob, without dotglob set, does not match .c |
| 05:02.22 | JasonWoof | Tramp: that has nothing to do with chmod, that's just how your shell expands * |
| 05:02.38 | Tramp | JasonWoof: sure. i never claimed anything else. |
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| 05:02.46 | Tramp | that's why I pointed him to dotglob |
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| 05:03.27 | JasonWoof | in my shell I can chmod -R xxx .<tab> and it'll expand to all hidden files, but not . or .. |
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| 05:04.03 | JasonWoof | it's annoying that shells mostly expand .* to include . and/or .. |
| 05:04.18 | RigidWig | JasonWoof, I don't know, I tried a standard -R method for a directory that contained a .dir with a bunch of files inside, but it didn't work for some reason |
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| 05:05.32 | LtL | RigidWig: try , 'find /path/of/choice -type f -print0 | xargs -0 chmod 644' or whatever |
| 05:06.25 | canvon | 06:02:00 < Tramp> JasonWoof: yes, but not if you mkdir .c and then chmod -R * from the cwd - as he was trying to do <- So why not simply use "chmod -R ." |
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| 05:06.59 | RigidWig | LtL, I actually got it working, it was for a .svn in a subversion working directory, Tramp mentioned it might be dangerous, so I just file by file in the error log, it only took a couple and it worked... |
| 05:07.22 | LtL | RigidWig: win |
| 05:07.28 | JasonWoof | huh, my shell doesn't include . or .. in the expansion of the .* glob |
| 05:07.57 | canvon | JasonWoof: what is your shell |
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| 05:08.18 | JasonWoof | zsh. I've meddled with the config from time to time, so I'm not sure this is the default behavior |
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| 05:09.17 | Tramp | canvon: because "chmod -R ." works on "." as well (unlike shopt -s dotglob, chmod -R *) |
| 05:09.34 | JasonWoof | there's a "glob dots" option |
| 05:09.53 | JasonWoof | (in zsh) |
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| 05:11.04 | JasonWoof | oh, that's not it. the globdots option in zsh makes a bare * match hidden files |
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| 05:12.34 | JasonWoof | oh, I'm so glad to know I can use .* now. I keep doing .??* and worrying that I'll miss a hidden file with a very short name |
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| 05:13.47 | JasonWoof | I've had success with git-svn |
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| 05:13.58 | JasonWoof | though I've never published/pushed with it |
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| 05:14.37 | canvon | JasonWoof: what about ".[^.]*"? |
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| 05:15.16 | JasonWoof | canvon: what about it? |
| 05:15.36 | canvon | JasonWoof: wouldn't that pattern include every dotfile, eben those that your pattern wouldn't? |
| 05:15.42 | canvon | *even |
| 05:16.05 | JasonWoof | canvon: probably, if you've got some kind of fancy globbing/regex thing enabled |
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| 05:16.15 | canvon | o_O? |
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| 05:16.51 | JasonWoof | yeah, looks like that works |
| 05:16.58 | JasonWoof | I didn't realize you could use [] |
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| 05:17.02 | JasonWoof | that might come in handy some time |
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| 05:17.09 | JasonWoof | but now I can just use .* :) |
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| 05:17.27 | canvon | [...] ranges, and [^...] inverted ranges should be basic POSIX globs |
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| 05:17.40 | JasonWoof | cool, didn't know that |
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| 05:18.03 | JasonWoof | that's a lot quicker than ls | grep xxx | xargs foo |
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| 05:19.20 | Tramp | canvon: .[^.]* misses e.g. ..foo |
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| 05:19.42 | JasonWoof | and if you need stdin, it's a lot lot quicker than looking up / remembering how to xargs -a <(ls | grep xxx) foo |
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| 05:19.56 | canvon | Tramp: oh, right :( |
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| 05:20.21 | Tramp | in bash you can use extglob and .!(.|) - sure zsh has something similar |
| 05:20.32 | JasonWoof | I don't know why that's called process substitution, but I like it |
| 05:20.41 | canvon | mh, it seems that [^...] is not "basic POSIX globs". According to glob(7), it should be [!...], and the [^...] syntax seems to indeed come from regex... |
| 05:20.46 | canvon | "Now that regular expressions have bracket expressions where the negation is indicated by a ‘^’, POSIX has declared the effect of a wildcard pattern ‘[^...]’ to be undefined." |
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| 05:22.35 | Tramp | however, I usually use the two globs .??* .[^.] for "all dotfiles" |
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| 05:23.27 | Tramp | (and don't care about the error interactively or use nullglob in scripts since the 2nd glob rarely matches) |
| 05:23.29 | canvon | Tramp: nice |
| 05:23.41 | canvon | oh :( |
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| 05:24.10 | canvon | so it's really more complicated than I thought... |
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| 05:25.05 | Tramp | as with most things, doing it "almost right" is easy. Doing it right is hard. |
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| 05:37.37 | canvon | JasonWoof: Yes, <(...) is nice :) |
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| 05:43.34 | seravitae | so, any advice for dropping back 'further' than single/recovery mode? |
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| 05:45.29 | canvon | seravitae: you could try to get the initramfs to give you an early shell. then chroot into your system |
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| 05:46.10 | canvon | years ago, the advice was "put init=/bin/bash on the kernel(/boot) commandline" |
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| 05:47.38 | LtL | or init=/bin/sh |
| 05:48.01 | BenNZ | seravitae: i just add text the kernel line |
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| 05:48.33 | robotnut | hi all |
| 05:49.25 | Guest14263 | Is it possible to run steam on squeeze? I am so sick of gtk3 so i am considering installing squeeze to get the real gnome2. |
| 05:49.30 | robotnut | anyone installed samba4 and used it with win7pro? |
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| 05:50.52 | zykotick9 | Guest14263: i don't think steam on squeeze is gonna be possible... |
| 05:50.59 | Guest14263 | darnit... |
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| 05:51.38 | Guest14263 | i guess i could dualboot... but still a bit sad. |
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| 05:52.23 | athetius | Guest14263: Have you tried to run it on Debian yet? |
| 05:52.43 | Guest14263 | well it worked on sid a few months ago |
| 05:53.08 | canvon | Guest14263: you could try a wheezy chroot. i hear that some people got steam to run on a debian newer than squeeze, with some package dependency patching and perhaps some Ubuntu packages |
| 05:53.21 | canvon | oh, it already worked for you :o |
| 05:53.39 | NathanWW | is anyone famalar with prosody server? |
| 05:54.12 | simplechat | Hey, is there any way to easily work out what the current config options are for your kernel? |
| 05:54.58 | athetius | canvon: Has anyone taken the steam deb yet and looked at what it depends on? |
| 05:55.07 | canvon | simplechat: Do you (perhaps) mean /boot/config-2.6.32-5-amd64 and the like? Or "cat /proc/cmdline"..? |
| 05:55.15 | Guest14263 | it used to depend on gtk2, now it is gtk3 |
| 05:55.24 | Guest14263 | also several other dependencies has been added |
| 05:55.29 | Guest14263 | like version specific atk |
| 05:55.34 | simplechat | canvon, not quite, more the compile time options to work out what's compiled into my kernel |
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| 05:56.08 | simplechat | I'm trying to work out if a particular cgroups option is enabled in my wheezy kernel |
| 05:56.08 | canvon | simplechat: that should be the /boot/config-* file. Plus the matching kernel header package, perhaps |
| 05:56.34 | simplechat | ah, thanks :) |
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| 05:57.51 | athetius | Guest14263: I think a chroot would be best for this then. |
| 05:57.59 | Guest14263 | probably |
| 05:58.09 | Guest14263 | but dualbooting is not such a big hassle either. |
| 05:58.21 | simplechat | canvon, so is there any halfway simple way of changing one of these options and getting a recompiled kernel? |
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| 05:59.15 | robotnut | is there a UI for webmin to use samba4? |
| 05:59.39 | canvon | simplechat: sorry, I'm just using the prepackaged kernel, all the time. (but you could start with getting a kernel source dir, then put the relevant /boot/config* file in the kernel source dir as .config ... I *think* it worked that way, back then...) |
| 05:59.46 | robotnut | webmin module preferred |
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| 06:00.41 | simplechat | canvon, thanks :) |
| 06:00.54 | canvon | :) |
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| 06:46.20 | sencha | I'm running Debian-testing (just installed it today), and synaptic and task manager seem to be a little corrupted |
| 06:46.40 | sencha | where the search bar is supposed to be in synaptic, for example, it's kind of "corrupted" |
| 06:46.47 | sencha | there is no search bar, and GTK looks a little screwy there |
| 06:48.27 | athetius | sencha: could you upload a screenshot? |
| 06:48.51 | sencha | athetius, yes, hold on a moment |
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| 06:50.59 | sencha | athetius, http://imgur.com/ax09WM0 |
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| 06:54.16 | sencha | athetius, any ideas? |
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| 06:54.51 | athetius | sencha: 1 sec |
| 06:55.20 | nick21546 | Hi, I'm trying to install wheezy on a new laptop, with an intel wireless, and I need the wireless to come up during the install. I don't have access to another linux machine ATM, and the installer doesn't like the iwlwifi-xxx.deb that I put on my flash drive. How can I get the .ucode files? Or, what is the correct procedure here? |
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| 06:56.07 | athetius | sencha: I'll be honest, I have no idea. Looks like the search bar is set to 0 or 1 px in height maybe? |
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| 06:56.23 | sencha | athetius, hmm, I don't have any ideas either |
| 06:56.32 | sencha | athetius, I didn't really mess with anything, and I've never seen anything like this before |
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| 06:57.28 | athetius | Ask on the forums and maybe file a bug report. See if someone else has had this problem too |
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| 06:58.33 | sencha | athetius, okay, thanks man |
| 06:58.36 | nick21546 | Question: how can I make dpkg work on the tempfs system running during a debian install? |
| 06:58.48 | nick21546 | (including, where is dpkg on the installer?) |
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| 07:00.27 | NoCode | Hi I just installed debian squeeze and my ethernet isn't working. I have a realtek RTL8111/8168B, what can i do to fix it? |
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| 07:26.28 | sencha | update-manager in Debian-testing has an option to "check for new Ubuntu release" |
| 07:26.42 | sencha | Is there some kind of subliminal hint to use Ubuntu instead of Debian? |
| 07:26.42 | sencha | :P |
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| 07:36.09 | thomaschaaf | Hello what is the best way with debian to copy a file until the second occurence of "ffda" in a binary file? |
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| 07:37.06 | jebb | im trying to build "ipxe" from the source code on debian 6. Just unsure what I need to build it. |
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| 07:39.51 | jebb | How do you build a from a source code? |
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| 07:40.13 | jebb | How do you build from a source code?* |
| 07:40.38 | thomaschaaf | jebb: dont spam.. |
| 07:40.58 | jebb | just correcting a spelling error. |
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| 07:42.17 | thomaschaaf | jebb: no need to correct spelling except someone doesn't understand you because of it. Here this is the first result when I google ipxe: https://github.com/ipxe/ipxe go into the directory and execute make is what it says |
| 07:42.18 | canvon | thomaschaaf: you could write a small perl script. or you can try to edit the file with VIM, it should have some limited support for editing a binary file. Perhaps you could even get grep to output an offset from the beginning of the file, and then use dd bs=1... |
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| 07:42.58 | thomaschaaf | canvon: I have gotten xxd to return all finds. Now I want to use dd to copy the file :) |
| 07:43.14 | canvon | okay, you could use any hexdumping utility (e.g. "hd" from package bsdmainutils) to get the offset, then use dd |
| 07:43.22 | canvon | oic :) |
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| 08:01.52 | jelly-home | ,checkbackport ipxe |
| 08:01.53 | judd | Backporting package ipxe in sid→squeeze/i386: all build-dependencies satisfied using squeeze. |
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| 08:55.53 | invariant | I have some code which connects to port 25 directly. Can I use msmtp to provide that port 25 service? |
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| 09:00.38 | mumpitzel | invariant: msmtp is a client only. you need a (lightweight) smtp server to provide port 25 service |
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| 09:01.16 | invariant | mumpitzel, do you know of any such lightweight server? |
| 09:01.23 | mumpitzel | !nullmailer |
| 09:01.23 | dpkg | from memory, nullmailer is a minimal <MTA> for hosts which just sends directly to smart relays. Does not support /etc/aliases; define a catch-all alias in /etc/nullmailer/adminaddr instead, see adminaddr(5). http://untroubled.org/nullmailer/ See also <ssmtp>. |
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| 09:01.39 | mumpitzel | or the mentioned ssmtp |
| 09:02.08 | joemaro | hey all! is missing sound in FF in html5 apps (such as youtube) a known phenomena around here? if not maybe somebody wants to evaluate it with me? |
| 09:03.19 | invariant | What is a sendmail compatible program? One that speaks a sendmail compatible protocol or one that calls sendmail? |
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| 09:05.24 | invariant | If I want to send a few thousand mails (just for testing), do I need a mail queue for that or will ssmtp work? |
| 09:05.54 | invariant | I would likely even want to connect in parallel to ssmtp. |
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| 09:07.55 | mumpitzel | joemaro: start iceweasel from a xterm to check if it can't open the audio device |
| 09:08.05 | joemaro | ok |
| 09:08.31 | dutchfish | invariant, there is no such things as garantued mail receivement. If you do not want to loose mail, you need to queue it. |
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| 09:08.52 | ubuntuw1204 | babilen: hi i installed debian rc1 wheezy :) |
| 09:09.16 | invariant | dutchfish, those are two orthogonal concepts. |
| 09:09.28 | mumpitzel | invariant: use a real smtp like exim4 or postfix |
| 09:09.45 | dutchfish | invariant, think things as greylisting, spamfiltering, out of service and what not |
| 09:10.15 | invariant | mumpitzel, can I also use that without a configured DNS? |
| 09:10.39 | mumpitzel | sure. but why would you need to configure DNS? |
| 09:11.20 | joemaro | mumpitzel: not a single message in xterm |
| 09:11.22 | invariant | mumpitzel, well, if you want an actual mail server, you need your own domain name, because of reverse DNS lookups. |
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| 09:11.52 | invariant | mumpitzel, I am pretty sure that most just reject if you don't have those basics working. |
| 09:12.37 | dutchfish | invariant, i advise to read the RFC's |
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| 09:13.23 | dutchfish | invariant, thecnically spoken, anything would work, in practise it can be different |
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| 09:13.45 | mumpitzel | invariant: that one is irrelevant to which MTA you use |
| 09:13.50 | invariant | dutchfish, you are now saying two things who are not mutually consistent. |
| 09:13.58 | invariant | dutchfish, the RFCs are the theory. |
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| 09:14.21 | invariant | dutchfish, I was talking about the practical aspect of mailrejection even to my standard test account for example. |
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| 09:14.31 | dutchfish | invariant, well, if we are not even can agree on RFCs, how this ever will work? ;) |
| 09:14.40 | mumpitzel | invariant: and you don't need proper revese dns for a mail server at all. you usually need a smarthost but not reverse DNS |
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| 09:16.35 | StephenS | what is channel for linux mint? |
| 09:17.01 | alami | hello how can i solve Xorg Problem when read Xorg.0.log |
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| 09:17.19 | EmleyMoor | !mint |
| 09:17.20 | dpkg | Linux Mint is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Please use their forums at http://forums.linuxmint.com/ or join #linuxmint-help on irc.spotchat.org for support. Linux Mint is variously based on <Ubuntu> with a "Linux Mint Debian Edition" (LMDE) also available, based on <testing>. See also <based on debian>, <mintppc>. |
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| 09:17.34 | StephenS | :( |
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| 09:17.52 | dennisvb | Hi, I want to compile SFML from source, but I need the dev packages of these: pthread, opengl, xlib, xrandr, freetype, glew, jpeg, sndfile and openal. How can I find those? |
| 09:18.02 | dennisvb | http://www.sfml-dev.org/tutorials/2.0/compile-with-cmake.php |
| 09:18.31 | EmleyMoor | dennisvb: Often, they are lib(whatever)-dev... |
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| 09:18.50 | dennisvb | EmleyMoor, Like libjpeg-dev? |
| 09:18.55 | EmleyMoor | Search within aptitude/synaptic |
| 09:19.17 | tului | apt-cache search xrandr for |
| 09:19.20 | ubuntuw1204 | StephenS: check the mint website it is through irc.spotchat.org |
| 09:19.21 | tului | example |
| 09:19.30 | dennisvb | tului, Thanks! |
| 09:19.34 | StephenS | Hmm, so why would I use mint instead of debian? |
| 09:19.46 | mumpitzel | StephenS: we don't know and we don't care? |
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| 09:20.03 | StephenS | lemme rephrase, should I use debian or mint? |
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| 09:20.17 | StephenS | Which is more stable and secure for home use? |
| 09:20.18 | mumpitzel | StephenS: think before you type. and read the channel you are in. please |
| 09:20.50 | EmleyMoor | dennisvb: libjpeg8-dev and libjpeg62-dev are both available to me... |
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| 09:21.08 | alami | how can i fix my Xorg reading Xorg.0.log??? |
| 09:21.08 | dennisvb | EmleyMoor, nice thanks I will try to find the others too ;) |
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| 09:21.23 | mumpitzel | alami: Xorg never reads a logfile, it only writes to it |
| 09:21.44 | mumpitzel | so you can't fix anything there |
| 09:21.49 | StephenS | !download |
| 09:21.49 | dpkg | There are a myriad different ways to install Debian. See http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer for a list of images and ask me about <various cd1>. See also <install guide> and <d-i> for detailed instructions. (If you've never installed Debian before, you should read the install guide.) |
| 09:21.57 | alami | mumpitzel: yes i know i mean when i read a Xorg.0.log file where can i see the Problems? |
| 09:22.15 | mumpitzel | start with the (EE) line(s) |
| 09:22.16 | EmleyMoor | alami: Look for lines with (EE) in them... |
| 09:22.30 | alami | EmleyMoor: ohh that's a good anwser thanks a lot |
| 09:22.46 | StephenS | I'm here http://www.debian.org/distrib/netinst and I have problem choosing rchitecture |
| 09:22.47 | alami | but i thing only the last ones? |
| 09:23.03 | StephenS | I have cpu AMD Athlon II X2 215 and using asus core? |
| 09:23.04 | EmleyMoor | StephenS: What's the problem? |
| 09:23.11 | mumpitzel | never the last error. ALWAYS the first error. the following errors are usually caused by the first |
| 09:23.11 | StephenS | Which architecture I can download? |
| 09:23.23 | mumpitzel | StephenS: i386 or amd64 |
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| 09:23.36 | mumpitzel | StephenS: if you have 4GB or more, usually amd64 |
| 09:23.49 | dennisvb | If I use apt-cache search pthread I get lots of different packages like libzthread and libpthread... |
| 09:24.00 | StephenS | mumpitzel, I have 2 GB |
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| 09:24.33 | StephenS | Also there is small and smaller cd |
| 09:24.42 | StephenS | I want full version of debian latest update, where to download? |
| 09:24.45 | EmleyMoor | StephenS: You may find i386 performs better, but if you later want amd64, that would be a reinstall, I think... |
| 09:24.53 | mumpitzel | dennisvb: you know the letters "z" and "p", right? and you have read your own line where you wrote what you need, right? |
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| 09:25.24 | dennisvb | mumpitzel, Ohhhhh oops haha I see now... Thanks! |
| 09:25.37 | mumpitzel | StephenS: there are no half or light versions of debian. there is only one "version" of debian |
| 09:25.48 | alami | mumpitzelmy i see on my Xorg.0.log could not invoke xkbcomp how can i fix it? |
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| 09:25.53 | StephenS | mumpitzel, which one? |
| 09:26.03 | dennisvb | mumpitzel, I now have 2 options... libpthread-stubs0-dev or libpthread-workqueue-dev |
| 09:26.04 | mumpitzel | alami: I doubt that's your error |
| 09:26.06 | StephenS | Is this a good one http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.6/i386/iso-cd/debian-6.0.6-i386-netinst.iso ? |
| 09:26.09 | babilen | dpkg: tell StephenS -about wheezy installer |
| 09:26.12 | babilen | dpkg: tell StephenS -about netinst |
| 09:26.17 | mumpitzel | StephenS: there can't be no "which one" if there exists only one, right? |
| 09:26.24 | alami | mumpitzel: that's the only ee what i have :D |
| 09:26.34 | StephenS | this is net installer, I dont want that I want full bootable iso file |
| 09:26.40 | mumpitzel | alami: start with an actual error description please |
| 09:26.46 | Mogget | I know this is a bit offtopic, but does the Squeeze repositories have a tool that can take backup of all emails on an imap server? |
| 09:26.52 | EmleyMoor | StephenS: Why particularly? |
| 09:27.03 | mumpitzel | StephenS: then download a full CD or DVD ISO. named "CD1" |
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| 09:27.20 | babilen | StephenS: You might want to use wheezy's netinst with firmware if this is for your personal box and you have a working internet connection. (http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/wheezy_di_rc1/) |
| 09:27.48 | StephenS | I dont want wheezy netinsta |
| 09:27.51 | EmleyMoor | (but yes, CD or DVD 1 is what you need if you want an all-disc initial install) |
| 09:27.57 | babilen | StephenS: Ok, care to elaborate? |
| 09:27.58 | StephenS | I want full version so I can later update it, is this okay one http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.6/i386/iso-dvd/ ? |
| 09:28.04 | mumpitzel | Mogget: I think offlineimap might be able to |
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| 09:28.14 | StephenS | babilen, what if I end up with no internet access? |
| 09:28.21 | StephenS | I will have in-complete debian package. |
| 09:28.22 | babilen | StephenS: Yes, you can use those images. But you don't need those images if you have a working internet connection. |
| 09:28.41 | babilen | StephenS: Are you using linux right now? |
| 09:28.48 | StephenS | no Im on win8 |
| 09:28.49 | Mogget | mumpitzel: I'll try that one. Thank you. |
| 09:28.50 | EmleyMoor | You'll not "end up" with no Internet access, if you "start out" with it. |
| 09:28.53 | StephenS | but its not open source and I dont like it |
| 09:29.13 | mumpitzel | StephenS: how does your PC connect to the internet? |
| 09:29.13 | EmleyMoor | And if you don't start out with it, you won't have lost anything |
| 09:29.20 | StephenS | via router |
| 09:29.25 | babilen | StephenS: Ok, do you have internet access or don't you have internet access? Is this for your personal machine? |
| 09:29.33 | mumpitzel | StephenS: no, describe your PCs connection not the router |
| 09:29.40 | StephenS | Its for personal machine, I have net access |
| 09:29.43 | StephenS | Ethernet |
| 09:29.50 | mumpitzel | if you use LAN, you don't need all debian DVDs |
| 09:30.09 | mumpitzel | especially not on such an old machine: debian will support the NIC |
| 09:30.14 | EmleyMoor | Most Ethernet connections work just fine with the netinst... |
| 09:30.39 | babilen | StephenS: In that case I would recomemnd to install wheezy. Which image you use is your decision, but I would recommend the netinst and in particular the one with firmware. Make sure you have the firmware ready on an USB stick if you don't use the firmware netinst image. |
| 09:30.42 | StephenS | ok so I have to make netinst bootable on dvd? Also what if I have no net connection, will I be able to install debian anyway wihtout nety? |
| 09:31.23 | EmleyMoor | StephenS: Not necessarily on a DVD but you could if that's the most convenient |
| 09:31.24 | StephenS | is this okay http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.6/i386/iso-cd/debian-6.0.6-i386-netinst.iso ? |
| 09:31.37 | babilen | StephenS: You can install Debian (albeit not with a graphical system) from the netinst images. And the netinst images are bootable from CD and can also be burned to a DVD blank. That would be a waste though. |
| 09:31.38 | StephenS | WIll ^^ work with no net ? |
| 09:32.09 | EmleyMoor | StephenS: That's squeeze and no, it won't... it's a netinst... |
| 09:32.12 | tralala | StephenS, netinst will work without network but the result will be a very basic text-only system. |
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| 09:32.27 | EmleyMoor | Ah, yes, it will do that much |
| 09:32.40 | babilen | StephenS: As I said: I would recommend to install wheezy at this point. See http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ for an overview. Make sure you download the firmware and unpack it to a USB stick if you don't use the netinst with firmware (which is recommended if you have a working internet connection) |
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| 09:44.09 | dennisvb | mumpitzel, Got it working :D |
| 09:44.17 | dennisvb | Found everything |
| 09:44.38 | dennisvb | Accidently installed some non dev packages, quickly found out hha |
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| 09:52.42 | vizzy | hi, im using wheezy and after last iupdate i get an error starting gimp : gimp: error while loading shared libraries: /usr/lib/libgmp config-2.0.so.0: invalid ELF header |
| 09:52.48 | nabblet | hi, i rsynced a file but the sha1sums are not the same. rsyncing again, rsync finishes successfully but checksums remain unchanged and different Oo any ideas? |
| 09:52.57 | vizzy | is that a known error? |
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| 09:54.38 | vizzy | isn't wheezy a stable version? |
| 09:55.04 | Sevet | no, it's 'unstable' |
| 09:55.09 | Sevet | squeeze is current 'stable' |
| 09:55.09 | vizzy | oh |
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| 09:55.17 | vizzy | that explains, my fault |
| 09:55.34 | vizzy | that also may explain why 2 installations of wheezy behave completely different on 2 computers |
| 09:56.05 | vizzy | on 1 computer kde4 is a pita, on the othe rone its so neat (and thats the slower one) |
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| 09:58.14 | eric` | Hello |
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| 10:05.46 | mumpitzel | vizzy: your problem sounds like a local filesystem or hardware problem, not a wheezy problem. DDs don't distribute shared libs without ELF header... |
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| 10:06.43 | vizzy | mumpitzel, ? |
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| 10:07.04 | vizzy | invalid elf header could also mean its for 64 bit on a 32 bit? ah, no, that error looks different |
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| 10:07.16 | vizzy | so you mean my library is corrupt? ouch |
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| 10:07.35 | mumpitzel | check it: run file(1) on it |
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| 10:08.26 | vizzy | /usr/lib/libgimpconfig-2.0.so.0: symbolic link to `libgimpconfig-2.0.so.0.800.2' |
| 10:08.32 | vizzy | /usr/lib/libgimpconfig-2.0.so.0.800.2: GNU dbm 1.x or ndbm database, little endian |
| 10:08.37 | vizzy | uh? |
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| 10:09.06 | jelly | nabblet: could be a (transient) hardware issue. what happens if you drop caches on both machines and redo the checksum? |
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| 10:09.15 | vizzy | hmmm, file on anothe rlibfile looks quite different |
| 10:09.15 | vizzy | /usr/lib/libstreams.so.0.7.7: ELF 64-bit LSB shared object, x86-64, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked, BuildID[sha1]=0x05cf19775fb8fce8a40e826ae1d9ab40fa6d5144, stripped |
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| 10:11.26 | nabblet | jelly, drop caches? |
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| 10:12.19 | nabblet | jelly, sync; echo 3 > /proc/sys/vm/drop_caches ? |
| 10:12.55 | eric` | yep guys |
| 10:13.04 | eric` | got no sound on my wheezy |
| 10:13.20 | eric` | when installing ubuntu with the live installation, i got sound |
| 10:13.25 | nabblet | jelly, since i run ubuntu i will continue my quest there - i just thought rsync is generic enough to be asked here |
| 10:13.34 | eric` | so i installed xfce, got no sound |
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| 10:13.56 | eric` | so i think the probleme comme from the wheezy |
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| 10:14.36 | jelly | nabblet: rsync is generic enough for ##linux, use this channel only if you can reproduce the issue on Debian proper |
| 10:14.52 | deepy | Even though neither Debian nor Ubuntu created whatever runs your audio eric`? |
| 10:14.55 | nabblet | jelly, oh, sorry |
| 10:14.56 | deepy | Are you using alsa? |
| 10:15.00 | eric` | yes |
| 10:15.01 | jelly | nabblet: (but yes to echo 3 >> ...) |
| 10:15.06 | eric` | yes only alsa |
| 10:15.15 | eric` | pulse was horrible for me |
| 10:15.19 | deepy | Is the volume turned down? |
| 10:15.27 | eric` | yes :) |
| 10:15.33 | nabblet | jelly, the sync command is required too? |
| 10:15.41 | eric` | speaker-test make no sound |
| 10:15.42 | nabblet | man says "flush file system" |
| 10:15.43 | _jacks | hi, i used fakeroot make-kpkg to build a custom 3.7.9 kernel and it built and installed fine, i'm now trying to get AMD catalyst 13.1 drivers to build but it fails with /lib/modules/3.7.9-custom/build/include/linux/version.h is missing, i did build the linux-headers package and that is also installed but it still fails.. any ideas? |
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| 10:15.55 | nabblet | man says "flush file system buffers" |
| 10:16.20 | eric` | i as thinking about a bug with the realtek chipset |
| 10:16.33 | eric` | but i the live ubuntu gave me some sound |
| 10:17.01 | eric` | i think the wheezy is missing a configuration file |
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| 10:17.17 | joemaro | linux audio is such a pain ... whats the most promising project to end this? |
| 10:17.18 | eric` | as alsamixer is ok for me, as if everything should works |
| 10:17.24 | blubberdiblub | nabblet, "sync" writes dirty buffers (buffers that have changed since last read/written) out to disk |
| 10:17.36 | eric` | i nver has problems with sound |
| 10:17.50 | eric` | until i have installer this wheezy |
| 10:17.57 | eric` | *installed |
| 10:18.05 | nabblet | blubberdiblub, sorry i'm not that experiecend - what should i deduce from your statement? |
| 10:18.11 | _jacks | i use alsa dmixer |
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| 10:19.10 | blubberdiblub | nabblet, if as jelly suggests the problem is a transient hardware problem (like a flipped bit), it's good to write the buffers to disk first before trying again |
| 10:20.13 | nabblet | blubberdiblub, ah, and rsync still uses old buffer data that says everything is ok (although a bit is flipped) |
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| 10:21.21 | jelly | nabblet: rsync, by default, avoids copying if file size and timestamps match. After rechecking from cold cache, try rsyncing with --checksum option. |
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| 10:23.22 | nabblet | jelly, oooohhh --checksum, very nice :) |
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| 10:24.37 | nabblet | blubberdiblub, jelly ok in my rush i did a new rsync deleting the corrupted file so ican't tehst your suggesten. but i still have to sync these files to somewhere else - if that problem occurs again, i will use the flush buffer thing and/p |
| 10:24.47 | nabblet | blubberdiblub, jelly ok in my rush i did a new rsync deleting the corrupted file so ican't tehst your suggesten. but i still have to sync these files to somewhere else - if that problem occurs again, i will use the flush buffer thing and/or the --checksum option |
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| 10:25.03 | nabblet | thank you two - you helped me a lot and i learned someting |
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| 10:26.52 | vizzy | mumpitzel, thx, that was the problem :) i reinstalled gimp libs and its working, phew :D |
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| 10:27.24 | jelly | nabblet: you could run memtest86+ on both machines if you can afford downtime |
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| 10:29.15 | nabblet | jelly, will be my last resort - but i consider this case closed - thank you for your thoughts/input |
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| 10:33.22 | yalu | not saved in a queue and sent later |
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| 10:47.24 | eric` | hi |
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| 10:47.33 | eric` | got a wheezy |
| 10:47.37 | eric` | got no sound |
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| 10:47.45 | BW^- | egrep -v "\\.o[0-9]" greps all rows that don't contain .o[0-9] , great! but, `find dir |egrep -v "\\.o[0-9]"` does NOT. why? |
| 10:47.57 | berzerka | hello there. i would like to have my exim configured in a way that a smarthost (smtp relay) is used for sending messages to external domains, but still local mail is delivered to the user's mailboxes. currently i have selected the config option "mail sent by smarthost, no local mail", which works for the outgoing mail. however, if i send a local mail, according to the logs it is also passed to the smarthost, which dismisses it in this c |
| 10:47.58 | berzerka | ase. |
| 10:47.59 | eric` | i have sound with an ubuntu live |
| 10:48.07 | eric` | is there a way to get sound |
| 10:48.19 | eric` | in this wheezy |
| 10:48.21 | alami | when i work only with terminal i can't see for example all the output of ifconfig |
| 10:48.35 | eric` | or should i install an ubuntu ? |
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| 10:48.44 | berzerka | eric`: please stop trolling. |
| 10:48.59 | eric` | berzerka: iit's not trolling |
| 10:49.08 | eric` | need sound for my job |
| 10:49.19 | eric` | 6 weeks i got this problem |
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| 10:49.26 | alami | how can i scrol up/down at therminal |
| 10:49.27 | eric` | i have to found a solution now |
| 10:49.39 | berzerka | eric`: would you then please state your actual question and use less newlines? |
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| 10:50.22 | eric` | berzerka: ok sorry, my problem is that i got no sound with a wheezy, simply as that |
| 10:50.23 | alami | how can i scrol up/down at therminal |
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| 10:51.03 | berzerka | eric`: ok how do you test that? a media player? |
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| 10:51.27 | eric` | speaker-text -c 2 |
| 10:51.37 | eric` | and youtube in my browser |
| 10:51.50 | eric` | the first give no sound |
| 10:52.04 | deepy | did you check with alsamixer that things aren't turned down? |
| 10:52.10 | berzerka | eric`: but the second one does? |
| 10:52.11 | eric` | alsamixer found my card, seems to be ok, as on my laptop |
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| 10:52.21 | eric` | does nothing at all |
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| 10:52.43 | berzerka | eric`: do you get sound out of youtube in your browser, do i get that right? |
| 10:52.47 | eric` | berzerka: yes i have checked |
| 10:53.01 | eric` | i never had sound since i have installed the wheezy |
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| 10:53.43 | berzerka | eric`: soo.. you HAVE sound in your browser. how does that match the problem description "i got no sound in wheezy"? |
| 10:53.57 | BW^- | ah solved |
| 10:54.07 | eric` | berzerka: i told i got no sound in my browser too |
| 10:54.43 | eric` | sorry for misunderstanding |
| 10:54.46 | berzerka | eric`: ok. i didn't get that clearly. |
| 10:55.12 | berzerka | eric`: are there multiple soundcards in the system? |
| 10:55.24 | eric` | berzerka: i was not clear enough sorry, i think it's a configuratin problem |
| 10:55.34 | berzerka | eric`: could you pastebin aplay -l? |
| 10:55.41 | eric` | 2 : HDA intel and nvidia |
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| 10:56.07 | berzerka | eric`: as well as aplay -L (uppercase L) |
| 10:56.26 | eric` | http://pastebin.com/PhPgpzkF |
| 10:57.02 | berzerka | eric`: ok intel is onboard and the nvidia is via hdmi? which one do you intend to use? |
| 10:57.02 | eric` | -L: http://pastebin.com/m8EnLAKN |
| 10:57.28 | eric` | first one : HDA intel, alsamixer is conected with this one |
| 10:58.05 | eric` | at the beginning, alsamixer didn't give me any controls |
| 10:58.36 | eric` | and then it's ok since i add a line in /etc/modprode.d/alsa-base.conf : options snd-hda-intel model=auto |
| 10:58.53 | eric` | now i got many vertical controls, but no sound |
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| 11:00.22 | berzerka | eric`: did you enable all the meters and unmute the pcm/master/front channels (spacebar)? |
| 11:00.41 | babilen | eric`: Note that you most likely also use pulseaudio and that you might have to configure that/raise levels (use pavucontrol for that) -- Also play with "speaker-test -t wav" and various devices. (see speaker-test(1) → -D option and "aplay -L") |
| 11:00.59 | babilen | "m" unmutes |
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| 11:02.32 | berzerka | eric`: could you check that first by doing a ps aux | grep pulse or the like? |
| 11:02.34 | txomon|nqas | hi, I have a dual boot, and I have to reinstall windows. I wouldn't like to loose all the installation I currently have. Is there any way to install grub in the / partition? |
| 11:03.16 | eric` | berzerka: i removed pulse audio |
| 11:03.32 | txomon|nqas | I have tried to make the sudo grub-install /dev/sda5 but it tells me a big warning |
| 11:04.03 | berzerka | eric`: great to hear. so please to the following. put this: http://pastebin.com/pnrQaG77 into your ~/.asoundrc |
| 11:04.11 | berzerka | s/to/do/ |
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| 11:04.45 | eric` | berzerka: got no .asoundrc file |
| 11:05.01 | berzerka | eric`: create it then. |
| 11:05.15 | eric` | ok |
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| 11:06.13 | berzerka | eric`: now retry playing some sound. |
| 11:06.30 | eric` | should i restart anything before playing sound ? |
| 11:06.39 | berzerka | eric`: i don't think so.. |
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| 11:08.56 | eric` | i 'm using the gui control sound, and only the front mic give me a "gray" noise ( wind noise ) |
| 11:09.09 | alami | on my Xorg.0.log i have drm failed to open device, my vga card is nvidea |
| 11:09.11 | eric` | i mute it but i got no sound |
| 11:09.19 | eric` | *muted |
| 11:09.21 | alami | how can i fix that and startx |
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| 11:10.40 | eric` | speaker-test -t wav give me an error |
| 11:10.48 | EmleyMoor | alami: Have you installed the appropriate drivers for your card? |
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| 11:11.00 | eric` | ALSA lib pcm_hw.c:1401:(_snd_pcm_hw_open) Invalid value for card |
| 11:11.00 | eric` | <PROTECTED> |
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| 11:11.12 | berzerka | eric`: um.. hang on. |
| 11:11.56 | berzerka | eric`: what is the name in square brackets for the intel device in cat /proc/asound/cards ? |
| 11:12.18 | alami | EmleyMoor: nv is the right one? |
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| 11:13.00 | eric` | first is [PCH ], second is [NVIdia ] |
| 11:13.27 | EmleyMoor | alami: What exactly is the card? |
| 11:13.31 | eric` | hum i see something that could be intersting .... |
| 11:13.32 | berzerka | eric`: ah, so please replate Intel by PCH in the config. sorry for that. |
| 11:13.47 | eric` | berzerka: ? |
| 11:13.57 | eric` | ok |
| 11:14.00 | EmleyMoor | nv is not recommended - it's not even in wheezy... |
| 11:14.04 | eric` | in .asoundrc |
| 11:14.09 | berzerka | eric`: right. |
| 11:14.31 | eric` | berzerka: will dot it but want to say i notices something : |
| 11:14.34 | alami | EmleyMoor:nvidia NV44 GeForce 6200LE rev a1 |
| 11:14.56 | eric` | in /proc/asound/card i have this line : HDA Intel PCH at 0xf7300000 |
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| 11:15.54 | berzerka | eric`: try again with speaker-test.. |
| 11:15.56 | eric` | and i remober yesterday, the /etc/modprobed.d/alsa-base.conf created by the live ubuntu: there was a line with snd-had-intel0xf7... |
| 11:16.11 | EmleyMoor | alami: You could try nouveau, or the non-free nvidia driver |
| 11:16.36 | EmleyMoor | wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers |
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| 11:17.21 | eric` | berzerka: speaker-test -t wav give me error but speaker-test -c 2 -t wav give me the sound, gonna test youtube |
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| 11:17.48 | eric` | no sound from youtube |
| 11:17.58 | berzerka | eric`: is speaker-test still running? |
| 11:18.08 | berzerka | eric`: you may have to restart your browser. |
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| 11:18.59 | eric` | berzerka: gonna restart and will be back in 2 mn |
| 11:19.05 | berzerka | eric`: alright |
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| 11:21.49 | eric` | hello again |
| 11:21.56 | berzerka | eric`: hey there. |
| 11:22.20 | eric` | berzerka: yep :) speaker-test -c 2 -t wav give me no sound after restart : ALSA lib pcm_hw.c:1401:(_snd_pcm_hw_open) Invalid value for card |
| 11:22.20 | eric` | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:23.01 | eric` | sound icon in tray is not active now |
| 11:23.18 | berzerka | eric`: but you just _had_ sound with speaker-test before the restart? |
| 11:23.21 | eric` | can't open alsamixer |
| 11:23.32 | eric` | yes before restart |
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| 11:23.38 | berzerka | eric`: did you reboot? |
| 11:23.42 | eric` | yes |
| 11:23.45 | berzerka | oh... |
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| 11:24.32 | berzerka | eric`: could you repaste cat /proc/asound/cards ? |
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| 11:25.16 | eric` | !!! it disaplys --- no-soundards --- |
| 11:25.21 | eric` | displays |
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| 11:25.34 | berzerka | eric`: you were only supposed to restart your browser, actually, but that is very strange... |
| 11:26.03 | deepy | some module not loaded? |
| 11:26.03 | eric` | as you said :) |
| 11:26.16 | txomon|nqas | so anyone can help me installing grub to partition? or should I better reinstall it once I format? |
| 11:26.25 | berzerka | eric`: nono, i said you might have to restart your BROWSER, not your computer. |
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| 11:27.06 | berzerka | txomon|home: you can always just let windows overwrite the MBR, then afterwards boot with a live system, mount your partitions, do a chroot in there and do grub-install. |
| 11:27.08 | eric` | berzerka: "as you said" it's a french translation that means yes yoare right it is very strange ... |
| 11:27.51 | berzerka | eric`: ah, i see :) well... then something else must be going on. are you sure you didn't change anything module-related before the restart? please pastebin dmesg. |
| 11:27.53 | txomon|nqas | berzerka, but knowing that windows is going to overwrite the MBR, can't I do anything later about that? |
| 11:28.14 | txomon|nqas | I have no live cd... |
| 11:28.27 | deepy | txomon|nqas: usb stick? |
| 11:28.31 | eric` | touch nnothing before restart |
| 11:28.31 | deepy | install disc? |
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| 11:28.39 | txomon|nqas | I am using netinstall... |
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| 11:28.52 | deepy | doesn't netinstall have the recovery mode? |
| 11:29.20 | berzerka | txomon|nqas: yes, all you need is a shell, mount and chroot, that should be possible with the netinst image. maybe you should check in advance. |
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| 11:30.25 | txomon|nqas | berzerka, will have to... |
| 11:30.30 | berzerka | txomon|nqas: you can also just call grub-install /dev/<your partition> |
| 11:30.47 | berzerka | txomon|nqas: and then select the appropriate boot partition from bios. |
| 11:30.56 | txomon|nqas | hates that sometimes has to use windows, for example for scanning ... |
| 11:30.59 | eric` | berzerka: http://pastebin.com/kiJtt2L8 |
| 11:31.10 | txomon|nqas | berzerka, bios doesn't have that (I think) |
| 11:31.25 | txomon|nqas | anyway, if it overwrites MBR I shouldn't have any problem |
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| 11:31.41 | Sevet | you could always run windows within a vm ;) |
| 11:31.44 | txomon|nqas | anyone has tried grub chainloader recently? |
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| 11:31.59 | eric` | berzerka: see this 2 lines :[ 5.804033] snd_hda_intel: Unknown parameter `ALC887-VD' |
| 11:32.00 | eric` | [ 5.804146] snd_hda_intel: Unknown parameter `ALC887-VD' |
| 11:32.06 | txomon|nqas | Sevet, I need to capture usb sniffs for libfprint... |
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| 11:32.24 | txomon|nqas | and sometimes I play LeagueOfLegends |
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| 11:32.48 | txomon|nqas | but you gave me an idea |
| 11:32.53 | eric` | this come from the /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base.conf |
| 11:32.53 | Sevet | txomon|nqas: i use virtualbox which lets setup usb filters so your guest has access to the usb device, it won't be the only one (just the one i use) |
| 11:32.55 | berzerka | txomon|nqas: starcraft 2 runs nicely under wine, i suspect LoL will do the same.. |
| 11:32.56 | txomon|nqas | I maybe do that |
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| 11:33.21 | berzerka | eric`: did you edit that file? |
| 11:33.23 | txomon|nqas | berzerka, not enought... butI think I am definetly going to use VB |
| 11:33.29 | eric` | yes |
| 11:33.37 | eric` | thearly this morning : options snd-hda-intel model=Realtek ALC887-VD |
| 11:33.37 | eric` | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:33.50 | berzerka | eric`: i think you are missing some quotes there. |
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| 11:33.59 | Sevet | txomon|nqas: as it happens i both dual boot and use windows in a vm too on the same machine (so i can use whichever's most convenient)... grub chainloader works great to answer your question |
| 11:34.00 | eric` | before i put "auto" withe same resulst |
| 11:34.10 | eric` | will add the quote and restart alsa to see |
| 11:34.27 | berzerka | eric`: also, you said you had selected model=auto. please dont change several things at once then it is difficult to help you. |
| 11:34.52 | txomon|nqas | Sevet, but you succeeded configuring it? |
| 11:34.55 | berzerka | eric`: please put the same value as BEFORE the last reboot, that means auto if i did get you right. |
| 11:35.03 | eric` | berzerka: i changes this early this moning before ask here |
| 11:35.06 | eric` | changed |
| 11:35.18 | berzerka | eric`: well... one thing at a time! |
| 11:35.32 | berzerka | eric`: so please, back to auto. i think that should be fine. |
| 11:35.47 | eric` | yes , i put the quote abd did alsa force-reload |
| 11:35.50 | eric` | ok |
| 11:35.54 | eric` | back to auot |
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| 11:36.07 | berzerka | eric`: i mean, you DID get the alsamixer controls with auto, right? |
| 11:36.19 | nickn | Where can I ask stuff about amazon computing? is there a channel for it? ##amazon is it not, for sure |
| 11:36.21 | eric` | yes |
| 11:36.34 | berzerka | eric`: so i think it should be fine. we even got sound, so... |
| 11:36.42 | eric` | done, auto is set now, di alsa force-reload aftef changement |
| 11:37.00 | deepy | nickn: don't they have a forum for it? |
| 11:37.10 | berzerka | eric`: ok. so do you get sound? |
| 11:37.17 | eric` | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:37.18 | eric` | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:37.26 | eric` | ALSA lib pcm_hw.c:1401:(_snd_pcm_hw_open) Invalid value for card |
| 11:37.26 | eric` | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:37.43 | berzerka | please do rmmod snd-hda-intel ; modprobe snd-hda-intel |
| 11:37.45 | nickn | deepy: just want to get a picture |
| 11:37.49 | berzerka | eric`: ^ |
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| 11:38.25 | eric` | berzerka: Module snd_had_intel is not currently loaded |
| 11:38.25 | eric` | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:38.52 | berzerka | eric`: ok then only the modprobe |
| 11:39.03 | berzerka | eric`: afterwards, check /proc/asound/cards |
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| 11:39.29 | eric` | ok speaker-test give me some sound |
| 11:39.39 | eric` | gonne restart my browser and see |
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| 11:40.34 | eric` | berzerka: ::::::::::::::::) |
| 11:40.38 | eric` | got sound now !!! |
| 11:40.49 | eric` | but i think if i restart |
| 11:40.58 | berzerka | eric`: it will be fine, feel free to test. |
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| 11:41.22 | eric` | i may have no sound no more, is it just a problem with modporbe that don't loas the sbd-hda-intel ? |
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| 11:41.42 | eric` | will be back in 2 mn |
| 11:41.46 | berzerka | eric`: aye |
| 11:42.36 | canvon | nickn: I read recently that there is https://lists.debian.org/debian-cloud/ , and some of the people there maintain a Debian image on Amazon EC2 |
| 11:43.04 | nickn | right |
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| 11:43.28 | txomon|nqas | its imposible to resize partitions while using them, is it? |
| 11:43.38 | ImQ009 | Hello |
| 11:43.48 | berzerka | txomon|nqas: yes, pretty sure about that. |
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| 11:44.04 | txomon|nqas | berzerka, so I need a live cd anyway ^^! |
| 11:44.09 | txomon|nqas | to resize I mean |
| 11:45.00 | ChrisH | txomon|nqas: partions can be resized at any time. Its a matter of resizing the Filesystem inside. With LVM I grow lvols and the FS inside quite often. |
| 11:45.02 | berzerka | txomon|nqas: as long as it isn't your root/usr partition, you can of course just unmount it, resize it with your running system and remount. |
| 11:45.27 | txomon|nqas | its the root partition, I want to move it |
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| 11:45.35 | berzerka | ChrisH: thanks for clarification, thats of course true. |
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| 11:46.18 | ChrisH | txomon|nqas: real partition or LVM involved |
| 11:46.35 | txomon|nqas | real partition |
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| 11:47.22 | ChrisH | txomon|nqas: Reinstall using LVM might be faster and more flexible for future use |
| 11:47.28 | eric` | berzerka: I GOT SOUND AFTER REBOOT |
| 11:47.37 | berzerka | eric`: of course you do :) |
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| 11:47.43 | eric` | TAHNKS YOU SO MUCH :) |
| 11:47.43 | txomon|nqas | I am going to erase all the windows partition, and resize the root partition from 15G to 30G moving it to the first part, and resize the home |
| 11:47.56 | txomon|nqas | ChrisH, explain why lvm is faster please |
| 11:48.09 | eric` | so a .asoundrc file was needed ... |
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| 11:48.13 | berzerka | eric`: you are very welcome. keep in mind to ask more specific questions next time, people will be much more inclined to help you then. |
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| 11:48.29 | berzerka | eric`: yes, somehow, no default device was chosen by the standard alsa config. |
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| 11:48.42 | eric` | berzerka: i keep this in mind |
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| 11:48.53 | berzerka | eric`: the "after reboot" problem was unrelated, you simply messed up the syntax in the modprobe.conf file (quotes) |
| 11:48.59 | jelly | txomon|nqas: not precisely faster, but more manageable and involving shorter downtimes |
| 11:49.07 | eric` | yes i think |
| 11:49.33 | txomon|nqas | jelly, but, why? |
| 11:49.44 | jelly | txomon|nqas: you'd be able to grow linux filesystems online, if there's space |
| 11:49.44 | eric` | give me a postal adress if you want a card from here, it's nothing but a little things to show i'm gratefull |
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| 11:50.06 | ChrisH | txomon|nqas: with LVM you can resize and extend your diskspace pretty easy. You could start with the 15GB Diskspace from the windows system and install a system there. Move the remaining data into the new installation and afterwards add the "old" 15GB onto LVM and use all disk space. |
| 11:50.16 | berzerka | eric`: btw. this is a per-user setting now. if you want it to be system wide, put the lines in /etc/asound.conf |
| 11:50.35 | ChrisH | txomon|nqas: in furture you simply add a new disk into LVM and extend whatever you need ior want. |
| 11:50.36 | eric` | ok gonna do it |
| 11:51.00 | berzerka | eric`: that is very nice of you :) where in france are you from? |
| 11:51.21 | txomon|nqas | and the bad part about that? |
| 11:51.35 | berzerka | eric`: i am in aix-la-chapelle (allemagne) here. |
| 11:51.42 | eric` | orleans,city of Jeanne dArc, if you know it |
| 11:51.53 | berzerka | eric`: mais bien-sure! ;) |
| 11:51.55 | Nik05 | #debian-offtopic |
| 11:52.12 | berzerka | right, sorry, back to work. have fun with your sound! |
| 11:52.16 | eric` | aix-la-chapelle sound french |
| 11:52.33 | berzerka | eric`: it's the french name for our town (aachen). but lets stop that now. |
| 11:52.43 | eric` | have a nice day |
| 11:52.47 | Nik05 | aachen isnt that in deutschland? |
| 11:52.50 | berzerka | you too, sir. |
| 11:53.13 | berzerka | heads to #debian-offtopic |
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| 12:01.03 | txomon | can anyone tell me how to fix this error? ieee80211 phy0: changing basic rates failed: -22 |
| 12:01.13 | txomon | I have read about http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=59510 |
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| 12:01.26 | txomon | and I think it should be mentioned in the wiki if it is still the fix |
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| 12:10.17 | berzerka | so does anyone know how to have exim use a smarthost relay _but still_ deliver local mail to local mailboxes? |
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| 12:12.37 | jelly | berzerka: did you ask in #exim yet? |
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| 12:13.51 | berzerka | jelly: nah, i wouldn't do that before diving into the exim documentation (which i would like to circumvent if possible. i thought maybe the debian exim4-config configuration templates "with a slight twist" could do the job. :P |
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| 12:15.31 | berzerka | jelly: but i think i won't get around doing some reading, which is fine... |
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| 12:40.19 | no_gravity | Hello Everybody! Whats a sweet way to list the newest 10 files in a directory? |
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| 12:48.23 | Mohsen_Hassani | My debian <root partition> is mounting as readonly; I have no access to Live CDs to edit the /etc/fstab; How can I edit the file? I get the error No Write Permission. |
| 12:49.16 | Brigo | Mohsen_Hassani: mount -remount / |
| 12:49.17 | Towzzer | http://www.noah.org/wiki/Remount_root_partition |
| 12:49.28 | Brigo | Mohsen_Hassani: mount / -o remount,rw |
| 12:49.39 | Brigo | or something like this ... :-) |
| 12:49.43 | Towzzer | mohsen, you might have some disk error |
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| 12:51.14 | no_gravity | harmaahylje: yo, thanks" |
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| 12:52.12 | Sevet | Mohsen_Hassani: do you know why it's mounting as readonly? |
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| 12:52.47 | Mohsen_Hassani | Sevet, I was trying to mount it as ready and write, so I did rw instead of ro in /etc/fstab; I think I did wrong; right? |
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| 12:53.10 | Towzzer | you normally don't need to specify such options |
| 12:53.28 | Towzzer | rw is read and write, ro is readonly |
| 12:53.59 | Mohsen_Hassani | Towzzer, Yes, I wanted to make it as read and write; Was that correct or not? |
| 12:54.11 | Towzzer | yes |
| 12:54.17 | Towzzer | why did you do it in the first place though? |
| 12:54.20 | Towzzer | was something happening |
| 12:54.29 | RoenieLap | ok this is is weird... wheezy netinstaller doesn't want to format /dev/sdd1. it tells me it's in use... yet it is not, and i can format it using the GParted live cd just fine |
| 12:54.33 | Sevet | the point is why isn't it mounting as readwrite by default - that might suggest it's got an error and offering you readonly to recover data without damaging the filesystem and losing data |
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| 12:55.02 | RoenieLap | so i did that, and rebooted into the deb netinstaller, and told it to just mount /dev/sdd1 without formatting it |
| 12:55.33 | Towzzer | roenie, move to another console and see if it's mounted for some reason |
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| 12:55.45 | RoenieLap | at which point it tells me that it can't mount it (no reason given), so i check tty4 and the mount command does not show any error |
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| 12:55.51 | RoenieLap | but mount shows it is not mounted |
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| 12:57.02 | blubberdiblub | RoenieLap, in case of doubt, check "cat /proc/mounts" instead of "mount". mount can be wrong, because it checks /etc/mtab, which may not have been properly updated |
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| 12:57.15 | RoenieLap | ah |
| 12:57.42 | RoenieLap | still no |
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| 12:58.00 | metaphysician | Even when using Jigdo to download images, I don't have much choice for server: snapshot.debian.org/archive/debian/20130214T111217Z/ |
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| 12:58.33 | RoenieLap | of course when i told it to format the drive it had no fs, so the "in use" error couldn't have been true in the first place |
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| 12:58.59 | Towzzer | you could process that task yourself and move to the next step |
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| 13:00.30 | RoenieLap | yea i just chose to have it ignore the drive now... i'll try to partition it later |
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| 13:00.41 | RoenieLap | seems like a bug with the installer though |
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| 13:01.15 | blubberdiblub | RoenieLap, "in use" could refer to the partition directly. i.e. /dev/sdd1. maybe something was accessing /dev/sdd1 directly (not by means of a filesystem) |
| 13:01.34 | RoenieLap | if anything was, it was the installer itself |
| 13:01.49 | RoenieLap | which would still make it a bug |
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| 13:02.42 | blubberdiblub | yeah, maybe. but it's hard to tell without finding the root of the problem |
| 13:02.47 | RoenieLap | i know that drive is OK physically |
| 13:03.10 | RoenieLap | (i was using it earlier) |
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| 13:03.38 | RoenieLap | yea it's a shame the mount command doesn't give me an error |
| 13:03.51 | RoenieLap | yet doesn't mount it |
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| 13:04.29 | RoenieLap | and formatting it returns "in use" and that's it |
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| 13:05.05 | RoenieLap | that error is somethinig else... that gets reported as in use i'm sure |
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| 13:05.34 | blubberdiblub | actually it should return an error if it cannot mount. can you try mounting with "mount your arguments && echo success || echo failure", please? |
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| 13:06.30 | RoenieLap | sorry, i'm already installing packages |
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| 13:06.55 | blubberdiblub | well, can you check "dmesg" for any indication of your problem? |
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| 13:07.01 | RoenieLap | i will check what's up once i get the OS up |
| 13:07.12 | Mohsen_Hassani | I need to edit /etc/fstab, but I get error No Write Permission; I guess it's not mounted at all, because I broke it. |
| 13:07.16 | Mohsen_Hassani | How can I edit it? |
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| 13:07.43 | ksk | Mohsen_Hassani: using sudo? |
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| 13:07.53 | ksk | you should read the debian userhandbook maybe |
| 13:08.04 | Mohsen_Hassani | ksk, Yes, I'm logged in as super user. |
| 13:08.25 | ksk | so you should be able to edit the file using an editor like vim or nano |
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| 13:09.31 | blubberdiblub | RoenieLap, you know, you can access the other consoles while installing |
| 13:09.56 | RoenieLap | peculiar, expert install asks me do i want linux-image-amd64 or linux-image-3.2.0-4-amd64 ... how am i supposed to know what version the first one is? lol |
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| 13:10.23 | blubberdiblub | RoenieLap, use the first one. it will pull in the right version |
| 13:10.36 | RoenieLap | ah |
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| 13:12.02 | blubberdiblub | RoenieLap, the one with the explicit version in the package name is for when you don't want it to pull in more recent kernels automatically when upgrading |
| 13:12.16 | RoenieLap | yea i figured from what you said |
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| 13:16.52 | metaphysician | What is the point of jigdo if you don't have many mirrors to pull the required packages from? All the packages required to make the iso image may not be on the mirrors world-wide, so you end up downloading from snapshot.d.o. |
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| 13:18.23 | RoenieLap | earlier i pulled all 3 drives from a functional raid 0 array to partition and format them differently, when i discovered that my gigabyte mobo had written a copy of its bios to the end of one of them, and had hidden that as a ~1MB partition, making gparted think the drive was 2113 sectors shorter than it physically is |
| 13:18.46 | Mohsen_Hassani | The wireless driver is recognized by my old kernel, but not the new one. How can I use or insert the driver from the old kernel to this one? |
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| 13:19.02 | RoenieLap | apparently the mobo does that as soon as there is no fat/ntfs partition there |
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| 13:24.16 | blubberdiblub | RoenieLap, my netbook does that, too, if configured in the bios (can be turned off). it's a way to speed up the initialization of the BIOS |
| 13:24.35 | RoenieLap | it can't be turned off in my bios, might need flashing |
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| 13:25.03 | RoenieLap | but it's overclocked and stable so i won't bother doing that |
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| 13:25.33 | RoenieLap | i decided to leave 2MB unused on every hdd/sdd |
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| 13:25.36 | RoenieLap | at the end |
| 13:25.53 | blubberdiblub | RoenieLap, you pulled the drives from a raid array? linux software raid? if so, it might have detected the pv header and that's why it was marked as used |
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| 13:26.07 | RoenieLap | no, intel fakeraid, and i told the intel bios to make them non raid again |
| 13:26.18 | blubberdiblub | okay |
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| 13:26.44 | RoenieLap | the other 2 drives the installer has no problem with |
| 13:27.03 | RoenieLap | that's the weird part, now if the one it has a problem with was the first drive in the array that could possibly make sense but it's the last one |
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| 13:52.48 | jellf | need a help how to configure my debian to support the cdma modem |
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| 13:56.51 | jacklw | hi, I'm installing Debian on my desktop, and I have some firmware missing so I downloaded it and copied it to a DVD |
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| 13:57.13 | jacklw | I inserted the DVD and it still can't find it - the installer just keeps going in loops |
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| 13:57.41 | jacklw | This is the firmware I'm trying to install: http://packages.debian.org/wheezy/all/firmware-realtek/download |
| 13:57.45 | jellf | jacklw: what firmware |
| 13:57.55 | jacklw | jellf: see above |
| 13:58.10 | jacklw | it is a wireless USB dongle -- I cannot use ethernet right now |
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| 14:00.06 | jellf | jacklw: i think we must use ethernat for the first time installation |
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| 14:00.10 | nickn | When installing debian with pxe: 1) initrd + kernel image is used as kind of preinstallation environment 2) apt (preseed) is used in order to download the base system 3) system restarts and boots into the new base system 4) further stuff |
| 14:00.12 | nickn | is this right? |
| 14:00.52 | jacklw | jellf: fine, I will have to move my whole machine with it's hardware to a different room though... |
| 14:01.11 | jellf | jacklw: ok |
| 14:01.29 | jacklw | (= |
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| 14:02.23 | jellf | jacklw: as i know debian only have free driver |
| 14:03.22 | abrotman | jacklw: if you have the firmware, i generally grab the package from packages.debian.org, then just install that package |
| 14:03.32 | abrotman | s/have/need/ |
| 14:03.50 | abrotman | jacklw: i've done this numerous times .. or you can ask us where the ISO is that has firmware already |
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| 14:05.08 | jacklw | abrotman: I'm installing Debian, it's not installed yet so I can't |
| 14:05.40 | jacklw | it's for a wireless thing anyway so I would have no network access to be able to download it.. |
| 14:05.48 | abrotman | jacklw: so would you rather have the firmware ISO ? |
| 14:05.52 | jacklw | yes |
| 14:06.06 | abrotman | !tell jacklw about firmware image |
| 14:06.15 | jacklw | but it's non free firmware, you sure an iso will contain it? |
| 14:06.21 | abrotman | actually, moment |
| 14:06.29 | abrotman | you're trying to install wheezy or squeeze? |
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| 14:06.54 | invariant | Is there a wget or curl option which does almost no work when the file already exists, but overwrites when the server has a new version? |
| 14:06.54 | jacklw | wheezy |
| 14:07.23 | jellf | akjhfdkl |
| 14:07.29 | abrotman | invariant: rsync ? |
| 14:07.46 | invariant | abrotman, doesn't that require some kind of shell account? |
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| 14:08.06 | kaveli | invariant: "--timestamping" for wget. |
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| 14:08.34 | abrotman | jacklw: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/wheezy_di_rc1/multi-arch/iso-cd/ |
| 14:08.44 | abrotman | invariant: you didn't give any other details ? |
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| 14:09.11 | invariant | abrotman, that normally means that you cannot assume anything else about the problem. |
| 14:09.26 | metaphysician | What exactly is the "Base64-like encoding" that jigdo uses to encode MD5 checksums in the [Parts] section? |
| 14:09.26 | jacklw | abrotman: thanks |
| 14:09.59 | abrotman | invariant: okay, good luck |
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| 14:10.29 | set_killer | hmm guys |
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| 14:11.29 | set_killer | i have an old debian and when i have files with cyrillic names they appear with ????? instead of the real charecters |
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| 14:11.55 | Towzzer | locale might not be set |
| 14:11.57 | Towzzer | type "locale" |
| 14:12.09 | abrotman | or bad font |
| 14:12.11 | wwraith | damnit towzzer you beat me to it ;p |
| 14:12.36 | set_killer | the font is default |
| 14:12.53 | set_killer | on locale everithing is en_US |
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| 14:13.04 | zykotick9 | set_killer: in X or in console? |
| 14:13.09 | set_killer | console |
| 14:13.17 | zykotick9 | ;) |
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| 14:13.45 | invariant | kaveli, great solution. |
| 14:14.02 | kaveli | invariant: np, glad it helped. |
| 14:14.03 | set_killer | so how to change the locale ? |
| 14:14.22 | wsky | dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 14:14.45 | set_killer | with root ? |
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| 14:15.22 | wwraith | yes |
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| 14:15.58 | babilen | abrotman: Just created/altered <firmware images wheezy> <install guide wheezy> <release notes wheezy> ... might come in handy in the next few weeks (and after the release) |
| 14:16.51 | zykotick9 | set_killer: if changing locales doesn't work (i'm not suggesting it wont!) you might also was to experiment with "dpkg-reconfigure console-setup". I certinaly don't have as much language supported in console as i do in X, but i'm using Terminus perhaps that's why in my case? |
| 14:17.51 | abrotman | high fives babilen |
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| 14:18.03 | abrotman | babilen: actually, might want to reference it from firmware images |
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| 14:18.26 | babilen | abrotman: yeah, I am just setting a couple of cross-references :) |
| 14:18.31 | abrotman | oh okay |
| 14:18.41 | abrotman | throws a beer at babilen |
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| 14:19.09 | set_killer | which default locale for the system environment should i use ? none / en_US / bg_BG ? (i have cron jobs which are copying and archiving files with cyrilic names) |
| 14:19.21 | set_killer | zykotick9: thanks :) |
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| 14:19.41 | Towzzer | Imagine a world with onle ascii |
| 14:20.04 | jelly | set_killer: none is good enough unless your cron jobs are buggy. |
| 14:20.29 | set_killer | okey, they use * as selectors :) |
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| 14:21.07 | wsky | Towzzer: lol this remids me about the incindent from 1939 |
| 14:21.20 | jelly | set_killer: what you see on stdout in your shell and terminal is thankfully not the same thing the apps see and use. |
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| 14:21.40 | Towzzer | when you were raped in the bus station bathroom? |
| 14:21.50 | jelly | !ops Towzzer trolling |
| 14:21.50 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: jelly complains about: Towzzer trolling |
| 14:22.14 | Towzzer | wait, all those people complained about me trolling? |
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| 14:22.24 | set_killer | jelly: http://www.pasteall.org/39831 |
| 14:22.24 | jelly | thanks |
| 14:22.32 | abrotman | Towzzer: Please don't do that, you should know better than to act like that |
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| 14:22.53 | set_killer | should i restart or something ? |
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| 14:23.45 | erob | hi, what port is used in i2p for proxying http connections? |
| 14:23.51 | erob | 5544? |
| 14:23.56 | erob | pls |
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| 14:24.51 | yano | erob: it's a random number between 9000 and 31000 |
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| 14:25.17 | yano | erob: it's generated at first run |
| 14:25.47 | erob | hm |
| 14:26.06 | erob | i haven't found this clearly documented on their site.. |
| 14:26.07 | set_killer | this is how locale looks like now : http://www.pasteall.org/39832 |
| 14:26.18 | yano | erob: http://www.i2p2.de/faq#ports |
| 14:26.19 | wwraith | i wanted to say 31337 but that's really not helpful :) |
| 14:26.23 | set_killer | and the files does not appear in cyrillic |
| 14:26.42 | wsky | set_killer: i'd advice you to set it to utf-8 |
| 14:26.44 | erob | yano: ty |
| 14:27.26 | set_killer | wsky: thanks, i will try it now :) |
| 14:27.57 | wsky | set_killer: and you do not have to reboot after, just re-login |
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| 14:28.57 | N34lO | hi, I've got a new server with 3x 1Gbit ports and am thinking about if I should use it to control my traffic (QoS. etc.) - but I don't know how I should do this ... should I use NAT or what else could I use / do? |
| 14:29.51 | yano | erob: yw |
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| 14:30.54 | set_killer | wsky: i am using ssh, is the logout on ssh the same as logout on the host ? |
| 14:31.37 | wsky | you have to relogon to each of your sessions to have the loacle changes apply |
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| 14:36.42 | deeLer | N34lO : depends on for what you want to use it |
| 14:36.44 | jelly | set_killer: I don't know where your LANGUAGE setting comes from; it looks fine otherwise |
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| 14:37.50 | jelly | wsky: using UTF-8 enabled locales when not all the filenames are UTF-8 compliant can actually introduce problems with some software. I've seen it with Tivoli Storage Manager. |
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| 14:40.03 | set_killer | jelly: hmm, the file names does not look like they should. i've tryed with bg_BG.cp1251 and with bg_BG.UTF-8. Maybe the files are corrupted :( (they where uploaded via apache) |
| 14:40.50 | jelly | set_killer: can you show hexdump -C of those filenames? |
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| 14:41.20 | jelly | set_killer: LC_ALL=C echo * | hexdump -C |
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| 14:41.43 | N34lO | deeLer: i wan't to controll my traffic via QoS, and maybe have stats (vnstat) about internal and external traffic - there is already a firewall witch creates a NAT, so a nother NAT shouldn't be needed |
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| 14:43.35 | set_killer | jelly: here is the output: http://www.pasteall.org/39834 |
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| 14:44.30 | invariant | Is there a command which runs N tasks and returns when one of them exits successfully (everything needs to run in parallel)? |
| 14:45.31 | nkuttler | invariant: i think make should be able to do that |
| 14:45.43 | nkuttler | oh, successfully.. |
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| 14:46.07 | jelly | set_killer: that looks like cp1251 wrongly doubly encoded to utf-8 |
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| 14:46.44 | jelly | set_killer: er, maybe not. Maybe it's just cp1251 |
| 14:46.48 | aguitel | how install last stable iceweasel ? |
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| 14:49.12 | abrotman | aguitel: mozilla.debian.net |
| 14:49.21 | aguitel | abrotman, ok |
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| 14:49.45 | set_killer | jelly: this is the output when i changed to BG.UTF-8 |
| 14:49.46 | set_killer | http://www.pasteall.org/39835 |
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| 14:50.36 | set_killer | jelly: so they must be corrupted |
| 14:50.41 | jelly | set_killer: indeed, if converted from cp1251 to UTF-8, one gets ~$ботна_Арменска_Детска_градина.doc for the first filename |
| 14:51.00 | jelly | that ~$ is weird but the rest makes sense |
| 14:51.19 | set_killer | loool duuude |
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| 14:51.27 | set_killer | you are cool |
| 14:52.08 | jelly | set_killer: try something like echo -n * | iconv -f cp1251 -t utf-8; echo |
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| 14:59.42 | chilemediera | hey... has anyone installed skype on debian 64 bits? has any guidelines, Im going crazy here :(.... |
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| 15:00.36 | aguitel | http://wiki.debian.org/skype |
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| 15:01.10 | ChrisH | chilemediera: I have but I got a skype deb which worked that time. Wheezy or Squeeze is the question. but follow aguitels link |
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| 15:03.24 | babilen | chilemediera: You might want to upgrade to wheezy if you don't use it already as it makes installing skype (and other foreign architecture packages) much easier. See <release notes wheezy> and <squeeze->wheezy> for instructions on how to do that. |
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| 15:03.53 | babilen | chilemediera: well, mostly installation of i386 (32bit) packages on amd64 boxes :) |
| 15:04.20 | chilemediera | babilen: I have 6.0, but the latest kernel, so it is kind of a mess :p |
| 15:05.23 | babilen | chilemediera: Still, you could clean that up by upgrading to wheezy (and installing a kernel from experimental if you /really/ need that) -- Why do you need the /latest/ kernel? |
| 15:06.19 | zykotick9 | chilemediera: <i don't use skype myself, and it's technically not supported in #d> but i saw that people where using older versions of skype with Squeeze a couple of days ago |
| 15:06.31 | babilen | chilemediera: If you don't want to upgrade have a look at <skype squeeze> but I have no idea how well that works -- you might also be able to get hold of 2.0.35 from skype which targets squeeze. |
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| 15:06.57 | babilen | chilemediera: fwiw, I would recommend to upgrade if this is your personal machine |
| 15:08.06 | set_killer | thank you, jelly and wsky, for the help :) |
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| 15:08.34 | aguitel | see that :http://www.techgainer.com/how-to-add-skype-chat-with-pidgin-messenger/ |
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| 15:09.25 | chilemediera | zykotick9: well actually it is not the latest, is the 3.2 need it becuase the 6.0 didnt have support for the network card on my laptop |
| 15:09.39 | abrotman | you do realize skype isn't supported here? |
| 15:09.50 | jelly | set_killer: I assure you it's less than cool to have something like 3-4 different encodings to deal with for your own language... |
| 15:09.53 | chilemediera | aguitel: but in order to have that pidgin integrated you need to install skype |
| 15:10.29 | aguitel | chilemediera, do you need to use messenger ? |
| 15:10.30 | chilemediera | abrotman: I know, I was just asking if anyone had a similar issue.. |
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| 15:10.50 | babilen | chilemediera: Well, you can either install 3.2 from backports (cf. <bdo kernel>) or upgrade to wheezy. My recommendation hasn't really changed. Also note that we can do very little about skype as it is neither packaged by Debian, nor will it ever be, nor is it our software. |
| 15:10.51 | set_killer | jelly: this must be vary complicated :) |
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| 15:11.54 | chilemediera | babilen: ok thanks... i will upgrade, see what happens.. |
| 15:11.56 | jelly | set_killer: yeah, no, I get to recognize the encodings for Croatian from hex now. ;-) |
| 15:12.37 | berzerka | eric`: regarding the .asoundrc. normally, the install should take care of assigning a default device. the default _should_ actually use the dmix plugin with the respective hardware interface as a slave, which would then also allow multiple applications to mix their output. |
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| 15:13.35 | set_killer | jelly: lol, at least you are master at that now :) |
| 15:13.42 | berzerka | eric`: unfortunately i have to debian installation at hand to check out how stuff is handled by default in wheezy, but anyways i think you should be fine completely without custom asound.conf/.asoundrc. |
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| 15:13.57 | berzerka | eric`: s/to/no/ |
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| 15:14.28 | berzerka | eric`: have to leave now, good luck with your issue. at least you got _some_ sound now ;) bye |
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| 15:20.34 | rredd4 | what flavor of debian should i use on a single core p4 with what desktop interface? also need to have flash for facebook games |
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| 15:22.22 | ChrisH | rredd4: define "flavor of debian" |
| 15:22.32 | rredd4 | wheezy, etc |
| 15:23.02 | ChrisH | rredd4: depending on what you described, I would recommend wheezy |
| 15:23.08 | Math^ | Hey guys, I like to upgrade Squeeze to testing. Should I first upgrade to Wheezy, then testing? Or can I just upgrade from Sqeeze to testing right away? |
| 15:23.26 | zykotick9 | Math^: wheezy is currently testing? |
| 15:23.27 | ksk | !tell Math^ about wheezy |
| 15:23.27 | ChrisH | Math^: Wheezy is testing |
| 15:23.35 | Math^ | Ah alright |
| 15:23.54 | Math^ | I thought Wheezy was going to be new stable. |
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| 15:24.09 | abrotman | Math^: it will be |
| 15:24.19 | abrotman | Math^: this has already been explained to you on OFTC |
| 15:24.28 | Math^ | Yea, just noticed |
| 15:24.51 | abrotman | so please stop asking both networks? |
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| 15:25.10 | rredd4 | ChrisH what desktop interface would be fast on that machine |
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| 15:25.40 | Math^ | So I guess it will automaticly upgrade to Wheezy when it's stable? |
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| 15:26.03 | abrotman | Math^: choose one network to get support |
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| 15:26.15 | Math^ | Or do I have to change Squeeze to Wheezy in my sources.list? |
| 15:26.18 | Malsasa | Hello, how if I wanna give GPL license in my DEB package? What should I write in copyright file? Any example? |
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| 15:28.00 | ChrisH | rredd4: dunno. I use KDE and Gnome on all of my boxes. KDE on a Intel(R) Pentium(R) M processor 1.80GHz 2GB RAM and 2 displays connected. its fast enouh for me. but I do not use flash |
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| 15:28.53 | zykotick9 | rredd4: kde is the heaviest of the DE options. lighter DEs include xfce and lxde. |
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| 15:29.01 | rredd4 | ok, maybe if i test it virtually to see which works better |
| 15:29.48 | ChrisH | rredd4: why not on physical HW? apt-get install and apt.get remove --purge will be your friends. |
| 15:30.18 | jelly | Malsasa: read http://www.debian.org/doc/packaging-manuals/copyright-format/1.0/ |
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| 15:30.36 | Pei | hehe |
| 15:30.44 | jelly | Malsasa: there're examples! |
| 15:30.54 | rredd4 | ChrisH currently using linux mint 12 with gnome and flash, facebook games are slow |
| 15:30.55 | Malsasa | jelly: okay, TKP |
| 15:31.11 | Pei | i got wifi/wpa to work out of the box |
| 15:31.13 | Pei | :)' |
| 15:31.20 | jelly | dpkg: TKP |
| 15:31.21 | dpkg | jelly: KCI error, or a problem with the Keyboard-Chair Interface. |
| 15:31.22 | zykotick9 | rredd4: it's unlikely that your flash games are going to improve... |
| 15:31.26 | rredd4 | ChrisH i know that i need a new cpu, but can't afford it |
| 15:31.30 | jelly | doesn't know what it means either |
| 15:31.46 | jelly | Than Kyou Pal? |
| 15:31.49 | RoenieLap | blubberdiblub: i found an old raid 5 superblock on /dev/sdd |
| 15:31.54 | Pei | with firmware wheezy RC1 netinstall |
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| 15:32.40 | rredd4 | like steve jobs said, flash is slow. webkit is better. |
| 15:32.56 | Pei | babilen |
| 15:33.00 | Pei | you here? |
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| 15:35.48 | babilen | Pei: Yes? |
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| 15:36.38 | abrotman | run away |
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| 15:37.30 | jhutchins_wk | zykotick9: There is considerable room for debate as to whether gnome or kde is heavier. I say gnome, due to services that run even after you log out. |
| 15:37.44 | Malsasa | jelly: TKP is Indonesian forums slang for "i will go to your link" |
| 15:37.58 | jhutchins_wk | zykotick9: kde is certainly doing their best to catch up though. |
| 15:38.01 | ChrisH | rredd4: you really need to check it out. flash on 64bit can be tricky. |
| 15:38.01 | jelly | Malsasa: thanks! |
| 15:38.07 | zykotick9 | jhutchins_wk: you notice i didn't include gnome ;) but ya, in gnome3 era- you're probably right. |
| 15:38.19 | jelly | dpkg: TKP is Indonesian forums' slang for "i will go to your link" |
| 15:38.19 | dpkg | jelly: okay |
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| 15:38.56 | Malsasa | jelly: wow, you are welcome... |
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| 15:43.10 | mike3 | hi guys, is there anyway to deploy updates manually to more than one server from one console? |
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| 15:44.36 | zykotick9 | mike3: i'd check out apt-dater based on it's description (i've never used it) |
| 15:46.00 | rredd4 | ChrisH p4 is 32bit |
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| 15:46.31 | jhutchins_wk | mike3: ssh |
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| 15:47.03 | mike3 | yes but that's one machine at a time. |
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| 15:47.09 | mike3 | I want to roll out updates to more than one server at a time |
| 15:47.40 | zykotick9 | mike3: puppet perhaps? |
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| 15:48.50 | nkuttler | mike3: or salt, clusterssh, etc |
| 15:48.56 | vt0r | chef |
| 15:49.05 | vt0r | The list goes on and on :) |
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| 15:49.41 | jhutchins_wk | mike3: bash for loop + ssh |
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| 15:49.58 | jhutchins_wk | mike3: Which is essentially what those others use. |
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| 15:50.07 | mike3 | i'm looking at clusterssh right now |
| 15:50.32 | nkuttler | mike3: how many servers are you talking about? |
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| 15:52.07 | mike3 | it's a home lab. 3-5 |
| 15:52.13 | mike3 | linux boxes |
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| 15:54.36 | zykotick9 | mike3: for 3-5 boxes, i'd say - update manually. |
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| 15:55.53 | nkuttler | mike3: clusterssh or something like that, unless you want to spend a lot of time configuring something else |
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| 15:57.38 | nickn | Does Debian Squeeze use initramfs or still initrd? |
| 15:57.58 | jhutchins_wk | nickn: Different name for the same file. |
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| 15:58.18 | jhutchins_wk | nickn: Mine has initrd. |
| 15:59.01 | jelly | nickn: initramfs has been used since etch-lenny |
| 15:59.38 | verblendet | i am legacy :) but stable! |
| 15:59.52 | jelly | jhutchins_wk: I bet he's not asking about the file name but the feature used. |
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| 16:03.07 | blink_ | Any source for linux-3.2.0-3 |
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| 16:05.21 | eyedea | http://www.ubuntu.com/ |
| 16:05.22 | eyedea | :] |
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| 16:11.03 | babilen | blink: I guess that you have to get that from snapshots. (IIRC -4- is currently on the mirrors) |
| 16:11.16 | babilen | dpkg: tell blink -about snapshots |
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| 16:13.52 | bazkie_bumpercar | hi guys, i want one of my service to remain a service so i can start it with 'service bla start' but i don't want it to autostart on boot (since it's eating a lot of memory). is that possible? |
| 16:14.17 | remote | bazkie_bumpercar: update-rc.d |
| 16:14.37 | babilen | bazkie_bumpercar: sure, write an init script for it and disable it -- See "/msg dpkg init script" and "/msg dpkg update-rc.d" |
| 16:14.40 | invariant | Does anyone know where processes like this come from? daemon --fork --print-pid 5 --print-address 7 --session |
| 16:14.50 | bazkie_bumpercar | okay thanks guys :) |
| 16:14.54 | invariant | I have over 1000(!) of those. |
| 16:15.14 | remote | alternatively you can look at sysv-rc-conf |
| 16:15.21 | nickn | does apt-cacher(-ng) / approx do more than squid proxy? |
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| 16:16.16 | zykotick9 | nickn: apt-cacher(-ng) as a proxy for apt only. squid is a gerneral proxy isn't it? totally different things. |
| 16:16.30 | zykotick9 | s/as/is/ |
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| 16:17.45 | nickn | zykotick9: I mean for apt alone - does apt-cacher do more? |
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| 16:18.23 | zykotick9 | nickn: well, i'd doubt squid would work as a apt proxy - but maybe? |
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| 16:19.20 | brontosaurusrex | looking at /etc/minidlna.conf, what exactly is notify_interval ? |
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| 16:19.29 | zykotick9 | bazkie_bumpercar: i'm a fan of rcconf for service management myself. |
| 16:19.37 | jhutchins_wk | zykotick9: Depends on what you tell it to buffer and for how long. Not ideal. |
| 16:19.58 | babilen | zykotick9, nickn: It does. see <squid deb caching> for a link to instructions. Last time I checked you either wanted that, approx or apt-cacher-ng (but maybe apt-cacher has seen some development that I am not aware of, it's been a while) |
| 16:20.22 | jhutchins_wk | bazkie_bumpercar: All of these utilities manage what daemons/services start at boot. You can disable the service and still start it manually. |
| 16:20.26 | babilen | nickn: I'd give approx and apt-cacher-ng a try and use whatever works best. |
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| 16:20.51 | nickn | right |
| 16:21.09 | bazkie_bumpercar | thanks jhutchins_wk, that seems pretty convenient :) |
| 16:21.34 | nickn | babilen: to use squid for it would be too much workaround in order to make it work? |
| 16:22.09 | babilen | nickn: I haven't done that and am simply aware of that option. As I said: I'd recommend to take a look at approc and apt-cacher-ng and use whatever works best for you. |
| 16:22.19 | babilen | *approx |
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| 16:23.20 | nickn | right |
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| 16:24.39 | johnfg | hi folks |
| 16:25.00 | johnfg | I'm getting an nfs server set up on my squeeze box. |
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| 16:25.16 | Pei | squeezes johnfg |
| 16:25.23 | Pei | *SQueEZE* |
| 16:25.30 | nickn | lol |
| 16:25.32 | bazkie_bumpercar | :o |
| 16:25.39 | johnfg | I'm used to using openafs, but wanted to use nfs too. |
| 16:26.27 | johnfg | In reading some docs about it, I'm not sure of this: before any client is connected, should I see the exported filesytem in /proc/fs/nfs/exports? |
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| 16:26.58 | johnfg | Pei, Thanks for the squeeze! |
| 16:27.09 | Pei | anytime friend |
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| 16:28.07 | zykotick9 | johnfg: i don't see anything in my /proc/fs/nfs/exports - with client connected |
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| 16:29.04 | johnfg | what log would nfs server write any messages to? |
| 16:29.17 | Pei | johnfg: pm? |
| 16:29.39 | Pei | should be /var/log/nfs.log or /var/log/syslog |
| 16:29.49 | johnfg | Pei, Thanks! |
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| 16:30.02 | Pei | keep in mind i'm totally guessing here |
| 16:30.04 | Pei | :) |
| 16:30.21 | zykotick9 | johnfg: kern.log and messages |
| 16:30.29 | Pei | ah, i had it wrong |
| 16:30.42 | Pei | remembers that one |
| 16:32.02 | Pei | johnfg: did you see my pm? |
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| 16:33.01 | johnfg | Pei, Ya, sorry, only got a few mins., so will check back later from another machine. |
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| 16:40.01 | edheldil | Hi all, I have noticed that when resolving (build) dependencies with a stated max version, lucid picks the correct non-newest package, while precise aborts due to trying just the newest one. AFAICS the matching version should be available in both. Am I doing something wrong? Is there a tweak for it? Was there a change in Debian's package that would cause it? |
| 16:40.27 | edheldil | (yeah, I know Ubuntu != Debian) |
| 16:40.38 | zykotick9 | edheldil: then why ask here? |
| 16:41.53 | edheldil | because I would expect the change be in Debian, if it is a change in apt-get |
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| 16:43.18 | DrSeuss | edheldil: i dont really understand what you mean |
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| 16:47.07 | edheldil | I am building packages that build-depend on utils (<< 1.2) but or some reason, apt-get or cowbuilder do not pick utils << 1.2, instead it tries 1.2 and fails on unresolved dependencies |
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| 16:50.39 | daemonkeeper | edheldil: A single branch has a single version only. |
| 16:50.42 | DrSeuss | edheldil: that gotta do with policy, and im not really sure how is that handled in ubuntu versions |
| 16:51.47 | daemonkeeper | edheldil: So, a package only is in a single version in within a branch, e.g. Lucid. Transitively that means, your package cannot be built on a system where a << constraint is in place. |
| 16:52.12 | DrSeuss | edheldil: btw, the build depend will take the version available in that moment, indpendently of the version in parenthesys (<< 1.2) |
| 16:52.49 | DrSeuss | the version with a higher priority, witch is solved with your policy... |
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| 17:04.55 | edheldil | DrSeuss: thank you ... was it always so? Because it used to work, it wrote something like 'Score: 50 install utils_1.99 |
| 17:05.20 | edheldil | ... it used to write ... |
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| 17:14.23 | somiaj | edheldil: issue is what do you expect a source package to do if it is wanting to be built on a system that cannot meet the dependencies. I think what you see is always the case, since you shouldn't have multiple versions of the same package in a single repo either you meet the build depends or you don't. There is no choosing the correct version to install. |
| 17:14.48 | somiaj | edheldil: I think the idea is it allows people to install source packages even if you don't meet the build depends, since this has no effect on the system. The issue occurs when you try to compile/build the package. |
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| 17:16.02 | somiaj | the man page only states that 'apt-get build-dep' makes 'an attempt to satisfy the build dependencies' |
| 17:16.04 | DrSeuss | edheldil: i think you messed with your system somehow... try to reproduce it with a live cd |
| 17:16.27 | DrSeuss | somiaj: unless there is a FTBFS bug, it should build |
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| 17:17.08 | edheldil | somiaj: well, my problem is that the devs here want to try different versions of their code and I have to build packages for it. So I have to build stable versions of the packages and development versions with different dependencies |
| 17:17.18 | somiaj | DrSeuss: sure if the source package is from the same repo/version of debian. But it is common to grab sid source packages on squeeze. In that case there is no guarntee it will build. |
| 17:17.41 | DrSeuss | somiaj: to add trouble to his question, hes in a ubuntu system |
| 17:18.01 | DrSeuss | i have no idea how ubuntu handle that, even if they use apt |
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| 17:18.19 | somiaj | DrSeuss: they use apt, but who knows what they changed. Yes this should be a #ubuntu question |
| 17:18.24 | DrSeuss | edheldil: you should find some #ubuntu-dev channel and ask there |
| 17:18.42 | edheldil | DrSeuss: would you have a pointer to the policy regarding the single branch==single version? |
| 17:19.06 | DrSeuss | edheldil: yes, run, apt-cache policy package to find out about what ubuntu does |
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| 17:19.22 | somiaj | edheldil: in debian (we can't say what is true for ubuntu) just because a source package builds on wheezy doesn't mean it won't build on squeeze. Source packages are built for a single version. Sometimes you can build them on other versions, sometimes you aren't. The build-deps are to give a guide as to what is needed to build it, but outside of the debian version the package was designed to build on it is hit and miss |
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| 17:19.43 | TheWarden | Hi, is true that one can now use Samba as the primary domain controller (PDC) in an environment with Linux and Windows? I was thinking of managing a network with SAMBA as the PDC and then using BIND as the DNS all on a Debian system. |
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| 17:20.14 | ThoMe | hiho |
| 17:20.25 | somiaj | TheWarden: yes samba can be a PDC, though #samba will proabaly have better info on any limitations, issues with setting it up |
| 17:20.26 | ThoMe | how i can show, how is "proftpd" compile? |
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| 17:20.51 | DrSeuss | edheldil: ubuntu can do anything they want regarding versioning in the "branches" |
| 17:20.59 | somiaj | ThoMe: what do you mean? Do you want to know the exact ./configure flags used when compiling proftpd? |
| 17:21.10 | ThoMe | somiaj: yes |
| 17:21.30 | DrSeuss | you should really ask there... here, i can only say that the package should build... if it does not, try to reproduce it with a live cd and look for differences with your system |
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| 17:21.31 | TheWarden | somiaj: really, that's awesome. okay thanks. |
| 17:21.33 | somiaj | ThoMe: you can download the source package and look at the debian/rules script and see what it does. |
| 17:21.39 | ThoMe | emm. |
| 17:21.40 | ThoMe | where? |
| 17:21.43 | ThoMe | http://www.debian.org/distrib/packages |
| 17:22.09 | DrSeuss | ThoMe: apt-get source package |
| 17:22.12 | somiaj | ThoMe: add a deb-src for your version of debian to your /etc/apt/sources.list -- then apt-get source packagename -- that will download the source package to the cwd |
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| 17:23.07 | somiaj | ThoMe: from there you can look though the debian/rules (the script used to build debian packages) and see what is done. Note sometimes you can figure out if a certain flag is enabled by looking at info from the binary or in /usr/share/doc/packagename -- but the source package is the only place that you can always find what you want. |
| 17:23.07 | edheldil | somiaj: I am probably not explaining myself clearly enough, sorry :(. I have several versions of a package in a repository and apt-get/cowbuilder used to pick the correct version as a build-dependency. After an upgrade, it does not anymore, it tends to pick only the newest version. So I was wondering if there was a change in policy or apt-get that would explain it |
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| 17:23.36 | edheldil | but I will take it to #ubuntu-dev, as suggested |
| 17:23.41 | DrSeuss | edheldil: chroot inside the image and look at the sources there |
| 17:23.48 | DrSeuss | they are probabably messed up |
| 17:23.53 | somiaj | edheldil: this is not a #debian question. In debian most of the time we do not have several different versions of a package. That is considered proken |
| 17:24.31 | somiaj | ehbello: in some rare caess we do make different package suh as gcc-4.4 vs gcc-4.5 or python2.6 vs python2.7 so we can have different 'versions', but these are actually different packages, and a lot of work is sometimes needed to ensure they all play nicely. |
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| 17:24.41 | blubberdiblub | RoenieLap, yeah, that figures. no wonder then it considered the partition used |
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| 17:24.50 | ThoMe | somiaj: ah ok. thx :-) |
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| 17:27.07 | edheldil | well, in a debian as a distro perhaps, but in debian as an o/s, ppl have various needs :) |
| 17:27.27 | somiaj | edheldil: either way you do not run debian, so go get support from your prefered o/s |
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| 17:28.30 | edheldil | yes, yes, sorry. I was asking for a pointer to the *debian* policy for single-branch--single-version |
| 17:28.35 | somiaj | edheldil: also maybe rethink what you are doing. You shouldn't need multiple versions of packages in a single repo. Within a single release you should not be running across these issues. Now making it so your source package compiles for different releases is a different question. |
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| 17:34.43 | somiaj | edheldil: if you are intersted in debian policy, go read the debian new matainers guide |
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| 17:36.01 | m0ksha | Is it possible to use the same ip address for two interfaces (one wireless one wired) ? |
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| 17:38.23 | somiaj | m0ksha: kinda, but you would have to have seperate ip's for each interface and then route them or use iptables so it acts like one ip |
| 17:38.28 | somiaj | m0ksha: what is it you really want to do? |
| 17:38.44 | edheldil | did that already, but I might have missed that. Picking of lower versions used to work, maybe precise adheres to the policy more strictly. Ok, I will have to rethink the workflow to circumvent that. Thank you for your help |
| 17:38.56 | m0ksha | that is what i really want to do |
| 17:39.15 | m0ksha | have my wifi card and ethernet cable use the same ip address |
| 17:39.19 | somiaj | edheldil: there should be no picking of a lower version. In a single release you should only have one version for a package. Having multiple versions is broken. |
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| 17:39.37 | m0ksha | somiaj: how can I route them? |
| 17:39.50 | somiaj | m0ksha: What I ment is why do you want to do? Why do they need to have the same ip? |
| 17:39.59 | somiaj | m0ksha: do you have them both up at the same time or is only one ever up at a time? |
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| 17:40.21 | somiaj | m0ksha: I'm trying to figure out what your needs are as to try to best give you a good solution. |
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| 17:41.06 | m0ksha | somiaj: for example, if i need to disconnect my cable I want my wifi card to be able to maintain a connection on the same ip address so that any services I'm hosting can still be reached on my machine, and generally so the identity of my computer doesn't change by changing IP |
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| 17:42.12 | somiaj | m0ksha: to me the best solution would do this at the router level. Do you have a router that routes the different services to that machine. |
| 17:42.46 | somiaj | m0ksha: though I guess most cheaper hardware routers won't have this feature, a more complicated one could eaisly detect that one ip is not avaialbe and route the info to the other one. |
| 17:43.06 | dutchfish | m0ksha, a more difficult solution would be to setup a bond over 2 different physical devices in a failover modus. |
| 17:43.10 | m0ksha | somiaj: my router won't assign 1 IP address to 2 macs |
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| 17:43.40 | somiaj | m0ksha: I'm only saying have your router when it routes the info to the machine figure out which ip to use (so you have different ips) |
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| 17:44.33 | somiaj | m0ksha: you could configure static ip's on each interface to be the same and then make sure you only have one up at the time. so if you need to pull the plug you first bring down the wired device then bring up the wifi device. Same ip in the end (only a small fraction of a second downtime as you bring down the first interface and up the second) |
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| 17:44.49 | m0ksha | somiaj: this wouldn't work e.g. because my home dns server keeps my computer name associated with my IP address to make things easier on diffferent devices, e.g. ssh user@mycomp |
| 17:45.09 | m0ksha | if my IP address is changing then this will break |
| 17:45.30 | dutchfish | m0ksha, why not use your wlan device in a bridged mode? |
| 17:45.44 | m0ksha | somiaj: I tried that too, but the ARP table in my router blocks the ip for 5 minutes after disconnecting |
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| 17:46.11 | m0ksha | dutchfish: because I dont know what that means. maybe this is what I need? |
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| 17:47.15 | dutchfish | m0ksha, in bridged mode, all ip's on wlan and lan are in the same subnet, having switching ip to the other physical device is another problem, hence my q as a failover setup |
| 17:47.42 | ubuntuw1204 | Hola! |
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| 17:47.58 | dutchfish | m0ksha, not all wlan devices support dridge setup, consult your manual |
| 17:48.02 | m0ksha | i dont understand :( |
| 17:48.09 | dutchfish | s/dridge/bridge |
| 17:48.46 | dutchfish | m0ksha, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wireless_bridge |
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| 17:49.38 | m0ksha | you're saying make like a lan inside my lan? |
| 17:49.48 | dutchfish | sortof |
| 17:50.03 | dutchfish | it smore a lan extension over a different physical layer |
| 17:50.16 | dutchfish | sam subnet, same ip range |
| 17:50.26 | m0ksha | but then I have to forward ports twice |
| 17:50.40 | dutchfish | once you have done that, you can figure out how to setup a failover node |
| 17:51.05 | ubuntuw1204 | i installed debian wheezy |
| 17:51.18 | dutchfish | even if your wlan device act as a router, it needs twice too |
| 17:51.33 | m0ksha | I dont think this is what I want |
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| 17:51.39 | dutchfish | ok |
| 17:51.58 | dutchfish | m0ksha, this is how i have solved the same problem |
| 17:52.00 | bsdnux | on my web server the disk usage keeps increasing. when running du with a max-depth of 1 in the www directory, du shows a sum of about 300G, but when i add up the single values (every subdir is another website) i only get about 30G…. filesystem is ifs and it's size has been increased (lvm) lately, now again as it keeps filling up. is this a filesystem issue or could it be some hidden directory? i ran rkhunter, but apart from a few fal |
| 17:52.00 | bsdnux | positives (/dev/.udev and /dev/.initramfs), nothing special... |
| 17:52.15 | bsdnux | *filesystem is xfs |
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| 17:52.47 | m0ksha | I wanted something like a virtual interface br0 that has 1 ip address for my computer and relays information either on wlan0 or eth0 whichever is available .. is this possible? |
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| 17:54.03 | psichas | what i should write in boot if i want start debian without xdm? |
| 17:54.28 | psichas | i can't find or do login in text mode |
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| 17:56.09 | ubuntuw1204 | debian 6 or 7? |
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| 17:57.02 | psichas | 6 |
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| 17:58.33 | psichas | i'm new in debian i'm testing bussiness install iso debian 6.0.6 installed xdm and openbox but xdm work but openbox doesn't work, so i can't login in text mode becouse load xdm automatically |
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| 17:59.12 | psichas | anyway srry bad eng |
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| 17:59.30 | peterrooney | psichas: ctrl-alt-F1 OR update-rc.d OR uninstall xdm |
| 17:59.30 | dutchfish | m0ksha, that is only possible, if you have some mechanism that detects when physical links go up or down and make adaptations to the bridge configuration, having links up without bindings or gatway stancas wont work. |
| 18:00.26 | m0ksha | dutchfish: right i realize this, I think |
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| 18:00.42 | m0ksha | so theres no way to make both interfaces use the same IP |
| 18:01.03 | dutchfish | m0ksha, delve into bonds for bridges in failover mode, good luck |
| 18:01.12 | m0ksha | what is failover? |
| 18:01.20 | m0ksha | and thanks |
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| 18:02.25 | dutchfish | m0ksha, yw, http://www.linuxfoundation.org/collaborate/workgroups/networking/bonding |
| 18:03.51 | psichas | peterrooney, is any another way? boot in text mode? |
| 18:05.24 | jgiorgi | can anyone point me to a package or tutorial on setting up a live video server on debian squeeze? i need to upload from a remote host to the server then offer that via http |
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| 18:07.03 | babilen | dpkg: tell psichas -about single user mode |
| 18:07.21 | babilen | psichas: You can then disable xdm |
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| 18:07.58 | jgiorgi | can anyone point me to a package or tutorial on setting up a live video server on debian squeeze? i need to upload from a remote host to the server then offer that via http |
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| 18:12.13 | shevy | question - I removed all python files. apt-get does not know about this, when I do "apt-get install python" it tells me that python is already the latest version |
| 18:12.29 | shevy | is there a way to force-download the python package? |
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| 18:13.36 | nkuttler | jgiorgi: which part of that do you need help with? |
| 18:13.47 | bsdnux | jgiorgi: http://www.red5.org/getting-started/ |
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| 18:13.50 | abrotman | shevy: man apt-get |
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| 18:13.53 | jgiorgi | nkuttler: well honestly i dont know where to start |
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| 18:14.15 | jgiorgi | nkuttler: i was hoping for something that packaged the whole 9 but if i have to set it up one component at a time i can |
| 18:14.28 | shevy | abrotman hmm |
| 18:14.29 | nkuttler | jgiorgi: or maybe look into mediagoblin |
| 18:14.39 | jgiorgi | nkuttler: ty |
| 18:14.44 | jgiorgi | bsdnux: looks promising ty |
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| 18:15.30 | Kanisterschleife | hi. I have a new thinkpad x230 with a crucial ct256m4ssd3 in it, but it regularly freezes completely. at bad times, it even follows a period of, say, 30 minutes, where the bios even won't recognize the drive anymore, and then suddenly it keeps on finding it again. do you have any ideas what this could be? |
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| 18:17.44 | ngc0202 | hey |
| 18:17.55 | ngc0202 | I'm having trouble installing debian |
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| 18:18.13 | ngc0202 | I'm trying to dual boot with Windows 8 |
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| 18:18.22 | ngc0202 | When, at boot, I select "Continue Installation", I get an error message saying windows was unable to boot |
| 18:18.31 | ngc0202 | (after running the installer) |
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| 18:19.44 | infernix | is there an easy way (read: apt-get install what?) of turning a bunch of packages that I just backported into a small repo that I can add to sources.list? |
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| 18:22.43 | abrotman | infernix: probably with aptitude there is |
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| 18:23.47 | infernix | abrotman: reprepo is what i was looking for |
| 18:23.52 | shevy | where does dpkg store the package list information? |
| 18:23.59 | infernix | *reprepro |
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| 18:25.19 | shevy | found it |
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| 18:26.10 | ubuntuw1204 | how long can you use squeeze? |
| 18:26.39 | ubuntuw1204 | i mean when is the squeeze suported till? or how long can somenone use it? |
| 18:26.40 | bazkie_bumpercar | until you've squeezed it empty |
| 18:26.55 | ubuntuw1204 | bazkie_bumpercar: :) |
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| 18:27.55 | ngc0202 | :( |
| 18:28.34 | bazkie_bumpercar | ubuntuw1204 : i think there's no official support end date yet for squeeze |
| 18:28.40 | bazkie_bumpercar | not sure though |
| 18:28.56 | jhutchins_wk | bazkie_bumpercar: Correct. |
| 18:29.05 | bazkie_bumpercar | okay :) |
| 18:29.10 | ubuntuw1204 | bazkie_bumpercar: Ok, so it doesn;t work like ubuntu? |
| 18:29.20 | bazkie_bumpercar | i guess :) |
| 18:29.33 | dutchfish | also http://www.debian.org/releases/ |
| 18:29.34 | ubuntuw1204 | bazkie_bumpercar: i can use it for years then? |
| 18:29.44 | ngc0202 | Does the Debian installer work on Win8? |
| 18:29.45 | bazkie_bumpercar | i think ubuntu has more strict dates, debian is more like, we'll see when we're done testing for a next release (again, not sure) |
| 18:29.52 | bazkie_bumpercar | well, sure, you can use it until the end of time if you like :P |
| 18:29.54 | jhutchins_wk | ubuntuw1204: Right, it's not a schedule that determines the release, it's whenever they get the bugs fixed that testing is released, and that makes stable oldstable, which is supported for a year. |
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| 18:30.16 | jhutchins_wk | ngc0202: Debian installer doesn't care about other OSs. |
| 18:30.39 | ngc0202 | Well it's not working :P |
| 18:30.44 | jhutchins_wk | ngc0202: It works on secureboot/UEFI systems but it's tricky and not yet fully documented. |
| 18:30.58 | ngc0202 | I disabled SecureBoot and it still didn't work |
| 18:30.59 | jhutchins_wk | !uefi |
| 18:30.59 | dpkg | Unified Extensible Firmware Interface (UEFI) is a firmware interface specification, intended to replace the <BIOS> firmware interface. Debian 7.0 "Wheezy" supports installation in (U)EFI mode on 64-bit PC systems (amd64), <secure boot> is currently not supported. http://www.uefi.org/ |
| 18:31.42 | ngc0202 | When I select "continue installation" after running setup.exe and letting it install and rebooting |
| 18:31.48 | ngc0202 | I get an error telling me that windows was unable to boot |
| 18:31.54 | ubuntuw1204 | bazkie_bumpercar: and i will get updates kernel, software, etc? |
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| 18:32.13 | bazkie_bumpercar | i don't think so, until you dist-upgrade |
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| 18:33.02 | abrotman | ubuntuw1204: squeeze will be supported for approximately one year following wheezy's release |
| 18:33.15 | ubuntuw1204 | ok thanks bazkie_bumpercar bye! |
| 18:33.18 | abrotman | infernix: sorry, misunderstood your question |
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| 18:33.53 | bazkie_bumpercar | btw, is there any talk on how close we are too a next stable debian? |
| 18:33.53 | babilen | ngc0202: I would recommend booting the installer from CD or USB. If you have UEFI hardware you definitely want to install wheezy, best with the firmware image. See <install wheezy> and <firmware image wheezy> and linked factoids for further information. I have no idea about the state of affairs with the setup.exe boot method. (/msg dpkg install wheezy) |
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| 18:34.23 | ngc0202 | I thought you needed to do that to boot from CD |
| 18:34.24 | Rockj | hm, how do I enable auto login in lightdm.conf? I want to have auto login for one of my users that launches XBMC when lightdm is started. |
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| 18:35.05 | babilen | ngc0202: No, you don't. You essentially just burn the image to a CD or copy it to an USB stick (see <usb install>) and boot from that. |
| 18:35.19 | ngc0202 | Oh, that didn't work either |
| 18:35.32 | ngc0202 | I wasn't completely sure I downloaded the right thing though |
| 18:35.49 | ngc0202 | debian-6.0.6-amd64-CD-1.iso |
| 18:35.55 | ngc0202 | That's what I was using |
| 18:35.57 | babilen | ngc0202: What you boot from can be typically configured in your BIOS or selected during bootup. (press some funky key combination that depends on your hardware) |
| 18:36.00 | ngc0202 | The CD-# thing confused me |
| 18:36.25 | ngc0202 | Yeah, my computer told me that it couldn't boot from the CD |
| 18:36.35 | babilen | ngc0202: I would recommend to install wheezy (currently frozen testing which will be released soonish) in particular if you have UEFI firmware and Win 8 |
| 18:36.49 | babilen | ngc0202: The wheezy install supported EFI boot (the squeeze (6.0.6) does not) |
| 18:36.50 | ngc0202 | ok |
| 18:36.54 | babilen | *installer |
| 18:36.58 | ngc0202 | !efi |
| 18:36.58 | dpkg | Unified Extensible Firmware Interface (UEFI) is a firmware interface specification, intended to replace the <BIOS> firmware interface. Debian 7.0 "Wheezy" supports installation in (U)EFI mode on 64-bit PC systems (amd64), <secure boot> is currently not supported. http://www.uefi.org/ |
| 18:37.10 | ngc0202 | oh |
| 18:37.22 | ngc0202 | what happened to the U :P |
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| 18:37.39 | abrotman | bazkie_bumpercar: when RC bugs reach 0 |
| 18:37.44 | babilen | ngc0202: You can use the netinst image (and I would recommend to use the one with firmware) if you have a working internet connection during the installation. (and you can (and should!) /msg the bot) |
| 18:37.52 | babilen | dpkg: tell ngc0202 -about install wheezy |
| 18:38.08 | babilen | ngc0202: Just download the firmware netinst installer and give that a go |
| 18:38.20 | bazkie_bumpercar | abrotman : yeah but i meant, how much do they have left now, as compared to like, a few months ago, then we can extrapolate to an educated guess :p |
| 18:38.44 | ngc0202 | The netinst works on Wifi too? |
| 18:38.54 | abrotman | bazkie_bumpercar: no, you can't .. you have no idea about the difficulty of those bugs, or how many will be found between now and then |
| 18:39.08 | abrotman | bazkie_bumpercar: i thought it would be released a few weeks from now, but there are still far too many bugs |
| 18:39.10 | babilen | ngc0202: Yes, it does. |
| 18:39.13 | bazkie_bumpercar | ah okay |
| 18:39.27 | bazkie_bumpercar | well not that it matters, but i was just curious :) |
| 18:39.46 | bazkie_bumpercar | i did have some crashes myself, but that's probably just the amd proprietary driver |
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| 18:39.57 | ngc0202 | Damn CDs |
| 18:40.03 | abrotman | well, it does matter .. but unless you're going to contribute, you'll just have ot wait |
| 18:40.06 | abrotman | to |
| 18:40.10 | ngc0202 | 20 minutes ETA to fully erase |
| 18:40.18 | bazkie_bumpercar | well i mean, it doesn't matter to me personally |
| 18:40.31 | abrotman | you just asked because ... :) |
| 18:40.36 | babilen | ngc0202: You downloaded the firmware RC1 wheezy netinst image, didn't you? |
| 18:40.38 | bazkie_bumpercar | because i'm a curious person :p |
| 18:40.45 | bazkie_bumpercar | i likez informationz |
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| 18:40.48 | abrotman | sounds like it matters :) |
| 18:40.53 | bazkie_bumpercar | nope |
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| 18:41.19 | bazkie_bumpercar | it's like, you may want to know how far the moon is from the earth on average, but it's not going to change your life in any way whatsoever |
| 18:41.25 | ngc0202 | babilen: debian-wheezy-DI-rc1-amd64-netinst.iso ? |
| 18:41.50 | Pei | ngc0202: :) |
| 18:41.55 | babilen | ngc0202: No, not that one (that is the one without firmware) |
| 18:41.55 | Pei | i just installed that |
| 18:42.00 | Pei | oh |
| 18:42.02 | ngc0202 | Oh :( |
| 18:42.07 | babilen | dpkg: tell ngc0202 -about firmware images wheezy |
| 18:42.09 | Pei | no i installed firmare-wheezy |
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| 18:42.47 | ngc0202 | ok, thanks |
| 18:42.49 | babilen | ngc0202: Don't forget to ask the bot about all the factoids in <…> for further information (e.g. install guide, errata, ...) |
| 18:43.14 | ngc0202 | okay |
| 18:43.17 | babilen | ngc0202: good luck, see you in a bit |
| 18:43.21 | ngc0202 | thanks! |
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| 19:01.54 | markovh | why does debian remove sbin paths from non root users? |
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| 19:02.48 | Sm0ke0ut | because most commands in there won't work without root access |
| 19:02.56 | markovh | so? |
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| 19:03.30 | markovh | there's still a lot that do. it seems a bit over the top to remove sbin |
| 19:03.33 | markovh | best example being ifconfig |
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| 19:05.09 | markovh | i don't see the advantage in removing it. If one possible reason would be to hide tools the user might be confused by them not working, i'd say it confuses users even more when a tool/command "doesn't exist" when attempt to run as a regular user |
| 19:05.24 | zykotick9 | markovh: debian doesn't "remove" the path, they just don't include it... with good reason, why do "users" need sbin? |
| 19:05.28 | Nik05 | hey guys, i think my harddisk is dieing, how can i check hole disk? |
| 19:05.41 | markovh | zykotick9: that's just nitpicking. same thing |
| 19:06.02 | markovh | zykotick9: because they may need to run tools that exist in sbin. |
| 19:06.15 | markovh | zykotick9: you've never run ifconfig as a regular user? |
| 19:06.35 | zykotick9 | markovh: sure. /sbin/ifconfig |
| 19:06.47 | markovh | lol that's MUCH more convenient... |
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| 19:07.15 | Nik05 | lets check smart first |
| 19:08.06 | jhutchins_wk | Nik05: shutdown -Fr now |
| 19:08.23 | jhutchins_wk | Nik05: That will reboot and check the disk before it mounts. |
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| 19:08.43 | Nik05 | jhutchins_wk: isnt that just the filesystem? |
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| 19:09.05 | jhutchins_wk | Nik05: Yes. |
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| 19:09.21 | Nik05 | well i want to check everything on disk |
| 19:09.24 | jhutchins_wk | Nik05: It's a good indicator if there's a problem, but so is smart. |
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| 19:09.52 | Nik05 | also got a NTFS partition |
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| 19:11.30 | dp | is there a .deb for vim that has vim compiled with python 2.7 or 3.3 support? |
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| 19:12.07 | Nik05 | jhutchins_wk: probably best to boot samsungs software? |
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| 19:13.00 | angs | I am trying to build debian on an arm device. on debootstrap, there is a line, it says config your language "export LANG=C" is it C language? |
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| 19:13.14 | angs | or to select english, what do I need to enter? |
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| 19:13.27 | zykotick9 | angs: C will be english |
| 19:13.33 | angs | thank you |
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| 19:16.31 | angs | I execute /debootstrap/debootstrap --second-stage it says (this is executed on virtual armel machine), I need to add apt repositories on /etc/apt/sources.list, but nano/vi/vim is not defined. is there any default text editor that I can use to edit the file? |
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| 19:17.02 | Nik05 | ok will first reboot with -F |
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| 19:19.41 | Nik05 | looks like it passes fsck |
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| 19:20.24 | zykotick9 | Nik05: have you checked smartctl? |
| 19:20.33 | Nik05 | it passes, smartctl says no errors |
| 19:21.26 | Nik05 | but on windows i got a CRC error in utorrent |
| 19:21.53 | Nik05 | guess i will boot samsung disk check and check every bit |
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| 19:23.15 | Nik05 | or can i also scan with smart? |
| 19:24.19 | jhutchins_wk | Nik05: I don't think you have a disk problem. |
| 19:24.27 | Nik05 | oh |
| 19:24.37 | Nik05 | why not? |
| 19:24.39 | jhutchins_wk | Nik05: A CRC error in utorrent is likely just a transmission error. |
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| 19:24.53 | Nik05 | jhut its wasnt downloading |
| 19:24.56 | Nik05 | -s |
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| 19:25.03 | Nik05 | just uploading |
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| 19:25.45 | Nik05 | and doesnt utorrent do a crc check on every block it just downloaded? |
| 19:25.56 | Nik05 | this was a full crc test when not downloading |
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| 19:26.30 | Nik05 | can i use fsck on ntfs or is it better to use windows tools for that? |
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| 19:27.13 | m0ksha | is anyone familiar with ifenslave / bonding eth0 to a wireless interface with wpa authentication ?? |
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| 19:27.32 | nickn | <squid apt cache> |
| 19:27.44 | nickn | nothing |
| 19:27.44 | nickn | bot? |
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| 19:29.47 | Nik05 | oh i can set a force check on ntfs with ntfsfix |
| 19:29.52 | Nik05 | lets try... :P |
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| 19:33.30 | babilen | nickn: "/msg dpkg squid apt cache" -- remove the < and > and /msg the bot |
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| 19:36.10 | nickn | nicknsquid apt cache |
| 19:36.12 | nickn | dpkgI wish you would RTFM. |
| 19:36.14 | nickn | lol |
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| 19:36.21 | Nik05 | hmm my disk is make a strange sound while windows is chkdsking... |
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| 19:38.30 | helpmeplzzz | can someone help me please I get an error while booting my pc: /sbin/init: error while loading shared libraries: libsepol.so.1 |
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| 19:39.42 | helpmeplzzz | anyone? |
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| 19:40.21 | nickn | helpmeplzzz: this happened suddenly? |
| 19:40.29 | nickn | helpmeplzzz: did you install something new before the reboot? |
| 19:40.38 | helpmeplzzz | i was doing an upgrade |
| 19:40.48 | helpmeplzzz | and got a dpkg error and openbox stopped working |
| 19:40.50 | helpmeplzzz | so i restarted |
| 19:41.13 | ompaul | with selinux enabled |
| 19:41.22 | ompaul | has no idea what your next step would be |
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| 19:41.38 | zerick | anybody here has used varnish? |
| 19:41.50 | ompaul | zerick: ask your real question please |
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| 19:42.40 | js1_ | hi. I am using hdparm -y to spindown my disk. however, it fails to 'wake up' when I try accessing it. any ideas? |
| 19:42.41 | ompaul | I was trying to cache this with that for them and this happened |
| 19:43.07 | zerick | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:43.14 | helpmeplzzz | can anyone please help me? |
| 19:43.21 | js1_ | yikes |
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| 19:44.05 | ompaul | zerick: which version of debian |
| 19:44.14 | zerick | ompaul: squeeze |
| 19:44.25 | helpmeplzzz | can anyone please help me? |
| 19:45.05 | zerick | helpmeplzzz: have you tried running on runlevel 3 or 1 ? |
| 19:45.10 | ompaul | helpmeplzzz: move back a kernel version when booting and apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade or follow on screen insttructions is about as good a guess |
| 19:45.25 | ompaul | zerick: oh come on, 3 is 5 on debian |
| 19:45.33 | helpmeplzzz | ill try that |
| 19:45.38 | ompaul | unless you've been doing things |
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| 19:46.05 | ompaul | zerick: I don't run squeeze what does apt-cache policy varnish say ? |
| 19:46.12 | helpmeplzzz | ompaul it wot boot on an earlier kernel version |
| 19:46.15 | helpmeplzzz | wont* |
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| 19:46.20 | helpmeplzzz | same error |
| 19:47.24 | ompaul | helpmeplzzz: when you say upgrade upgrade from - to what exactly |
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| 19:47.34 | ompaul | zerick: ? |
| 19:47.38 | helpmeplzzz | apt-get upgrade |
| 19:47.51 | babilen | helpmeplzzz: Boot a live CD, chroot into the system, complete the upgrade/fix installation errors/disable SELinux would be a reasonable next step |
| 19:48.06 | babilen | helpmeplzzz: And which version of Debian do you use? |
| 19:48.09 | zerick | ompaul: http://paste.debian.net/235669/ |
| 19:48.11 | ompaul | selinux ate my dinner ;'-) |
| 19:48.26 | helpmeplzzz | whichever crunchbang uses |
| 19:48.32 | helpmeplzzz | i tried their channel but its dead |
| 19:48.42 | ompaul | helpmeplzzz: you better hope it comes back to life |
| 19:48.57 | helpmeplzzz | plz dont scare me |
| 19:49.02 | babilen | helpmeplzzz: Oh, you are not even using Debian? Sorry, but we /only/ support Debian and Debian users in here for a number of technical and social reasons. |
| 19:49.11 | ompaul | !volunteers |
| 19:49.11 | dpkg | Volunteers are people who do things for you for free. All the helpers on #debian are volunteers. Please treat them with respect and don't expect them to follow your orders. Insulting them or the things that they have worked hard to create is not a good way of getting help. |
| 19:49.15 | babilen | dpkg: tell helpmeplzzz -about crunchbang |
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| 19:49.50 | helpmeplzzz | so you refuse to help me because its not debian? |
| 19:50.14 | ompaul | zerick: ok maybe I can find out something it's almost the same version as I have available |
| 19:50.29 | babilen | helpmeplzzz: Alternatively install Debian and enjoy support in here. Yes, #debian can and will only support pure Debian. |
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| 19:50.55 | jelly-home | helpmeplzzz: try ##linux for apt help in different distros |
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| 19:51.34 | babilen | helpmeplzzz: Yeah, ##linux is great -- My recommendation is still the same though. |
| 19:51.35 | ompaul | zerick: perhaps service varnish start << might be useful but I'll keep looking at docs for a min or so |
| 19:52.09 | helpmeplzzz | I just don't get why you won't help me for the sole reason I'm not using debian |
| 19:52.34 | helpmeplzzz | Thats like refusing to help me out of a car thats on fire because you disagree with the make of the car |
| 19:52.53 | zerick | helpmeplzzz: If you are not using Debian just go to the respective channel, what distro you are using? |
| 19:52.59 | ompaul | helpmeplzzz: na it's like you bringing an imperial car to a metric garage |
| 19:53.04 | babilen | helpmeplzzz: This is #debian and it only supports Debian for technical /and/ social reasons. /msg me or join #debian-offtopic if you want to discuss this, but please take support questions to the appropriate channel. |
| 19:53.18 | babilen | so, enough of this. |
| 19:53.21 | helpmeplzzz | #crunchbang, and the "appropriate" channel is dead |
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| 19:53.33 | ompaul | which is not our fault |
| 19:53.56 | ompaul | please stop talking about that here if it was called crunchbang that is because it was not debian |
| 19:54.09 | Pei | everything is your fault ompaul :P |
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| 19:54.15 | helpmeplzzz | this is a joke |
| 19:54.20 | zerick | helpmeplzzz: besides, people here gave you an idea about what could be your problem. |
| 19:54.25 | ompaul | zerick: eh https://www.varnish-cache.org/docs/trunk/users-guide/troubleshooting.html |
| 19:54.25 | jelly-home | Pei: true dat! |
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| 19:54.31 | babilen | zerick: Could you elaborate on your configuration of varnish? It looks as if the init script does something bad which causes a failure in the startup. Which version of varnish is this and what did you change about the default configuration? |
| 19:54.32 | Pei | lol |
| 19:54.43 | ompaul | Pei: thanks :P |
| 19:54.47 | Pei | hehe |
| 19:54.54 | ompaul | jelly-home: shut up -r now ;-) |
| 19:55.05 | Pei | LOL! |
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| 19:55.46 | ompaul | babilen: hes on backport on squeeze - seems to me that http://paste.debian.net/235665/ is the error |
| 19:56.08 | ompaul | is about to go away for a while - to give jelly-home and Pei some fault free time |
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| 19:56.52 | babilen | ompaul: ack - I doubt that this is the default configuration though. Admittedly, I haven't used varnish, but I would be surprised if the daemon ships with a broken configuration. (and if it does then there surely is a bug report about it) |
| 19:56.53 | Pei | :) |
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| 19:57.46 | ompaul | babilen: I was thinking that - but looking at the varnish page which I fell on by way of a saearch for exactly the same reason - oh hang on |
| 19:58.04 | zerick | babilen: yeah probably, I have changed several parameters |
| 19:58.11 | ompaul | zerick: you did just use the vanilla back-port no external |
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| 19:58.14 | ompaul | ah forget that |
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| 19:58.25 | zerick | babilen: and yes, with the default confg it runs properly |
| 19:58.47 | ompaul | thinks that's the way forward ;-) get your default config back |
| 19:59.28 | babilen | zerick: Ok, it is now evident that one of your adaptations is faulty. Would it be possible to enumerate those? |
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| 20:00.16 | babilen | zerick: fwiw, there is also a #varnish channel which is probably able to spot possible errors faster than I :) |
| 20:00.39 | johnfg | quickie: how can I temporarily stop arno-iptables-firewall? |
| 20:00.51 | zerick | babilen: Will it be better if I show you both confgs ? |
| 20:00.57 | johnfg | Or how to stop the firewall temporarily? |
| 20:01.24 | zerick | babilen: well, they don't answer yet :( the #varnish people |
| 20:01.49 | ompaul | johnfg: service foo stop is useful as is /etc/init.d/foo stop |
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| 20:02.06 | babilen | zerick: A diff of the default config and your config would probably be most helpful. I would also recommend to edit the init script and add "set -x" after "set -e" in there and then run "service varnish start" again. Paste both to http://paste.debian.net |
| 20:02.18 | johnfg | ompaul: thanks |
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| 20:03.35 | ompaul | johnfg: you're welcome |
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| 20:05.21 | RoenieLap | ok, base debian netinstall, just been tweaking it a bit, i decided to install mc when apt-get suggested a choice of pdf tools to go with it (among other things) |
| 20:05.42 | babilen | RoenieLap: Which version of Debian and what is your question? |
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| 20:06.03 | RoenieLap | so i figured, might as well google what the best pdf viewer is and get that, okular wants me to install 672 MB of dependencies on wheezy |
| 20:06.08 | RoenieLap | any good alternatives? :) |
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| 20:06.36 | RoenieLap | 30" screen completely filles with dependencies = fail, i don' t want gnome at all |
| 20:06.39 | babilen | RoenieLap: I like evince -- It boils down to the question: Do you want a GTK or a QT app or none of those two? |
| 20:06.47 | RoenieLap | filled* |
| 20:06.53 | babilen | RoenieLap: xpdf it is then |
| 20:06.59 | ompaul | RoenieLap: or kde? |
| 20:07.09 | RoenieLap | i don't want KDE either ;) |
| 20:07.19 | zerick | babilen: this http://paste.debian.net/235680/ is the current config (which report the error) |
| 20:07.20 | ksuhku | RoenieLap, IMHO okular is worth every bit of those dependencies |
| 20:07.21 | ompaul | RoenieLap: then what babilen said - assuming you want some x |
| 20:07.27 | babilen | Well, QT and GTK are /not/ the same as KDE and Gnome -- Even though both toolkits are used in conjunction with those DEs |
| 20:07.31 | ompaul | ksuhku: and them some |
| 20:07.47 | RoenieLap | i know, babilen |
| 20:07.53 | babilen | zerick: Can't you diff the default configuration and the current one? |
| 20:08.03 | RoenieLap | is it a futile effort to try to stay away from most of both toolkits? |
| 20:08.11 | babilen | IMHO, yes |
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| 20:09.14 | RoenieLap | given that i don't care for either DE, (i just want X + i3), which of the two toolkits would be best to go with? |
| 20:09.15 | babilen | but do what you want, nobody forces you to use anything. I would use evince or okular over xpdf every single day, but it is up to you. I also don't mind installing some packages as I really have enough disk space. |
| 20:09.23 | zerick | babilen: The current config is taken from other server (which is on production) , I'm not pretty sure but.. maybe VARNISH_STORAGE needs extra configuration |
| 20:09.59 | babilen | zerick: Ok, so the current config might not even be compatible with the version of varnish in Debian or with Debian's scheme? |
| 20:10.03 | zerick | babilen: the default varnish config is the one that comes with the clean install :) .. but anyway, you think it would be necessary to paste it here? |
| 20:10.03 | zykotick9 | RoenieLap: you might want to look into 'no install recommends', to keep your system more minimal |
| 20:10.09 | RoenieLap | it's not so much about disk space, more about long term stability.. something gets updated, breaks one of your gazillion deps, and you spend 2 hours debugging |
| 20:10.29 | zerick | babilen: they are the same version, from Debian side - as a |
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| 20:11.00 | zerick | babilen: as I said before - perhaps need extra configuration |
| 20:11.01 | babilen | zerick: No, but I would like to see a diff(1) of the two configurations. That allows me to concentrate only on what you changed. I don't know varnish and the only way to help you is by eliminating stuff. |
| 20:11.11 | zerick | babilen: ok :) |
| 20:12.06 | RoenieLap | thanks for the suggestions |
| 20:12.10 | zykotick9 | RoenieLap: one last pdf viewer suggestion for ya, apvlv - it's very minimal, with vi key bindings. |
| 20:12.15 | babilen | zerick: My uneducated guess and working hypothesis is that your DAEMON_OPTS changes are breaking things. |
| 20:12.28 | babilen | zerick: But this config is running on another server without problems? |
| 20:13.20 | zerick | babilen: it's very probable, and yes, the current one is working fine in other server |
| 20:13.24 | babilen | RoenieLap: I've decided to go with GTK a long time ago and mostly use that. I primarily live in (g)vim, irssi, mutt, evince and terminals though ... so ... |
| 20:13.54 | babilen | zerick: That is interesting (and unfortunately introduces yet another variable. Is this other server running Debian as well? |
| 20:14.00 | babilen | ) |
| 20:14.15 | zerick | babilen: yep :) |
| 20:14.21 | babilen | zykotick9: Is it good or simply minimal? |
| 20:14.45 | zykotick9 | babilen: well, it shows pdf. i wouldn't say it's feature rich though... YMMV |
| 20:15.22 | babilen | zykotick9: ack |
| 20:15.39 | babilen | zerick: Which version of varnish are you using? |
| 20:15.58 | zerick | babilen: 2.1, in both sides |
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| 20:16.11 | helpmeplzzz | zerick make sure u are using vanilla varnish or u wont get help here |
| 20:16.16 | babilen | zerick: Ah, and both are squeeze machines? |
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| 20:16.45 | zerick | babilen: yes sir |
| 20:16.47 | babilen | zerick: So, both run 2.1.3-8 ? |
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| 20:17.51 | babilen | zerick: Sorry, for asking all these little questions. Well, if the same configuration file works on a comparable system there must be yet another difference. I guess I finally have to take a look at varnish itself. |
| 20:18.03 | zerick | babilen: yep, same version |
| 20:20.40 | babilen | zerick: Ok, and the /only/ changes on host-a (broken) was to change DAEMON_OPTS in /etc/default/varnish? The other configuration files (/etc/varnish* /etc/varnish/default.vcl) were not touched? |
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| 20:22.44 | babilen | zerick: Well, I see that there are a number of other changes (to /etc/default/varnish if diffed against the default configuration) |
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| 20:23.57 | hyppias | my screen font (TTY) is very small. How can I make Debian use a larger font? |
| 20:24.00 | babilen | zerick: Are you sure that "VARNISH_STORAGE=malloc,1G |
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| 20:24.10 | babilen | zerick: Is an acceptable setting? |
| 20:24.22 | zerick | babilen: this is the diff http://paste.debian.net/235685/, the default.vcl also changed, but I run varnishd -d and got no errors |
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| 20:25.25 | babilen | zerick: Yeah, I've just ran diff locally. |
| 20:25.30 | zykotick9 | hyppias: "dpkg-reconfigure console-setup" to select console fonts |
| 20:25.41 | hyppias | ok |
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| 20:25.48 | zerick | babilen: sorry for that :B |
| 20:26.24 | zerick | babilen: in production it is set to 3G, i'll try with it |
| 20:27.00 | zykotick9 | hyppias: your alternative is to actually change the virtual console's resolution (through grub or fbset) |
| 20:27.03 | babilen | zerick: Could you try starting it with the default configuration now? (copy /etc/default/varnish somewhere, run "dget varnish" (you might have to install devscripts for that) and unpack it in a tmp localtion with (dpkg -x varnish*.deb .) ... Then copy tmp_location/etc/default/varnish to /etc/default/varnish |
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| 20:27.26 | babilen | zerick: Edit the default /etc/default/varnish and change START from no to yes ... and try starting it. |
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| 20:28.53 | babilen | zerick: That /should/ work. After you've done that comment line 43-47 and uncomment line 94-100 (the DAEMON_OPTS) and try to start it again. |
| 20:29.46 | babilen | zerick: That should still work -- If either of these fails the problem must be with your default.vcl which we haven't investigated yet or with the DAEMON_OPTS changes. |
| 20:29.59 | zerick | babilen: ok, I will try, thanks for all your time :) |
| 20:30.05 | babilen | zerick: err, not changes, but the example for the second daemon_opts |
| 20:30.26 | mortal | how secure is the debian package architecture? someone could upload a rogue package and every debian installation would get it |
| 20:31.02 | babilen | zerick: Well, just trying to find the faulty setting -- One major difference I can spot is the setting for VARNISH_STORAGE_SIZE in that you prefixed the size with "malloc" |
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| 20:31.16 | vrkalak | mortal, Debian has Teams of testers and Maintainers |
| 20:32.15 | babilen | mortal: Upload it how? |
| 20:32.24 | babilen | dpkg: tell mortal about secure apt |
| 20:33.13 | mortal | ok thanks |
| 20:33.56 | babilen | mortal: But yeah, if a DD uploads a malicious package and people install that they would have installed a malicious package. You trust Debian that this does not happen, but maybe this is all just a huge conspiracy ;) |
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| 20:34.37 | zykotick9 | mortal: i think your question is rather OT for #debian, but if "someone" is actually a "rogue maintainer" then yes. |
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| 20:35.17 | mortal | I should self audit and compile everything.. but then the compiler might be compromised or what about my firmware and cpu |
| 20:35.34 | babilen | mortal: You have to read every single line of code! |
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| 20:36.20 | babilen | mortal: either way: I think I've provided pointers to documentation about package security in Debian and you might want to read that. |
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| 20:36.32 | mortal | babilen: thanks |
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| 20:46.14 | ChibaPet | So, I've not used GPT partition tables a lot, and I just realized that I'm not sure what the recommended tools are. The installer let me do an install onto a GPT disk, complete with bios_grub partition, but once booted, what tools exist by default to examine and manipulate partitions? I installed parted, but I suspect there's some equivalent to fdisk there by default. |
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| 20:48.38 | zykotick9 | ChibaPet: expert install WILL allow GPT. fdisk doesn't support GPT, parted is probably the best bet. |
| 20:48.54 | ChibaPet | Alright, thank you. |
| 20:49.06 | ZekeS | Isn't gdisk on debian's media? |
| 20:49.06 | gnarface | how do i check the UUID of a partition that is in a disk file image, not a connected drive? |
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| 20:49.31 | ChibaPet | gdisk isn't installed by default - not sure what tools exist on the boot media/installer. |
| 20:49.43 | babilen | ChibaPet: Just to clarify: This holds true to the wheezy installer (preferably booted via EFI) |
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| 20:49.58 | babilen | *for |
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| 20:50.25 | ChibaPet | (For what it's worth, I've religiously made a /boot partition for the last decade or so. Today's reading makes me twitch a little at the silliness of doing that in 2013.) |
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| 20:51.10 | babilen | ChibaPet: Oh, you don't only need a /boot partitions, but other fat32 goodness too |
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| 20:51.48 | ChibaPet | Eh? What other cargo cult behaviours have I likely been exhibiting? |
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| 20:55.10 | babilen | ChibaPet: Let the guided partitioner show you what (for efi/gpt) |
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| 20:56.14 | zagabar | how am i meant to change the datadir from /var/lib/mysql to somewhere where i want to save my databases? I've tried to search for debian specific instructions but found none. when i go to /etc/mysql/my.cnf and change it manually, and then restart, i get this error: [ERROR] Fatal error: Can't open and lock privilege tables: Table 'mysql.host' doesn't exist |
| 20:56.24 | ChibaPet | I'm going to re-do my home desktop tonight I think. It's MBR now, but I'll do bios_grub, root, swap, all on GPT. Reading about how to mix encryption and software RAID now. |
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| 21:00.01 | Brutus| | Hi, how do I format a ZFS drive to ext? |
| 21:00.32 | daemonkeeper | You use mkfs. |
| 21:00.51 | daemonkeeper | (though a ZFS can be a full drive, not only a partition as well) |
| 21:01.08 | Brutus| | whole drive is zfs |
| 21:01.37 | daemonkeeper | Use fdisk/parted to create an empty partition table, create partitions as you like, use mkfs. |
| 21:01.50 | Brutus| | ahh fdisk first |
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| 21:02.05 | Brutus| | I tried cfdisk but I couldn't figer that out |
| 21:02.09 | ChibaPet | Brutus|: Just to make sure, you're aware that this will get rid of what was on the disk previously, yes? |
| 21:02.22 | daemonkeeper | Brutus|: Alternatively, you can do it likewise for LVM |
| 21:02.25 | Brutus| | yeah it's empty |
| 21:02.28 | ChibaPet | kk |
| 21:02.31 | daemonkeeper | i.e. instead of using a partition table |
| 21:02.36 | Brutus| | lvm? |
| 21:02.46 | daemonkeeper | Brutus|: The same as ZFS volumes. |
| 21:02.49 | daemonkeeper | On Linux |
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| 21:03.12 | ChibaPet | daemonkeeper: Similar anyway. LVM won't offer multiple mountpoints onto a shared space, will it? |
| 21:03.20 | Brutus| | I just want this done. trying to create a download machine an want this drive mounted |
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| 21:03.57 | daemonkeeper | ChibaPet: Right, LVM is operating on a lower level than ZFS. ZFS incorporates sub-volume management, whereas LVM only abstracts disk layouts. |
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| 21:04.11 | daemonkeeper | However, LVM is no filesystem by itself. |
| 21:04.27 | ChibaPet | Good point. |
| 21:04.32 | Brutus| | just checked the options for fdisk and it doesn't seem that I need any of the options. so I do fdisk /dev/sdc1 |
| 21:04.38 | Brutus| | unable to open /dev/sdc1 |
| 21:04.42 | daemonkeeper | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:04.44 | daemonkeeper | not sdc1 |
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| 21:04.57 | daemonkeeper | You need to create a partition (sdc1) with fdisk first. |
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| 21:06.32 | Brutus| | WARNING: GPT (GUID Partition Table) detected on '/dev/sdb'! The util fdisk doesn't support GPT. Use GNU Parted. |
| 21:06.49 | Brutus| | bloody hell if it stays annoing I'll install dos :S |
| 21:07.24 | daemonkeeper | You got a disk larger than 2 TB |
| 21:07.42 | Brutus| | it's only 2tb |
| 21:07.49 | daemonkeeper | Or that. |
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| 21:07.55 | daemonkeeper | That needs GPT tables |
| 21:07.56 | Brutus| | small disk |
| 21:08.01 | Brutus| | grmbl |
| 21:08.04 | daemonkeeper | either way, gnu-fdisk or parted will cope with that. |
| 21:08.08 | ChibaPet | Could just be he's got a disk that previously was formatted as GPT. |
| 21:08.19 | ChibaPet | partitioned* |
| 21:08.31 | daemonkeeper | ChibaPet: Because DOS partition tables won't work with such large drives. |
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| 21:08.51 | ChibaPet | Right. Hm. I thought fdisk had an option to write a new partition table. Not seeing it at first glance. |
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| 21:10.28 | ChibaPet | Ah, Brutus|, fdisk should let you open the disk even if it doesn't understand the table. Then "o" will create a new DOSsy partition table. |
| 21:10.30 | Brutus| | ok what I just did was turn on the monitor |
| 21:10.34 | Brutus| | 3 mouse clicks in the gui |
| 21:10.35 | Brutus| | done |
| 21:10.41 | ChibaPet | Or that. |
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| 21:11.01 | Brutus| | and just saw it's only 1TB |
| 21:11.15 | Brutus| | thanks guys |
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| 21:14.33 | ksuhku | mortal, that all being said, fuckups do happen, e.g. http://lists.debian.org/debian-security-announce/2008/msg00152.html (predictable openssl rng) |
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| 21:14.52 | txomon|home | hi, I just want to say that my debian wheezy gets randomly blocked and I have no idea on how to fix it or why |
| 21:15.12 | ksuhku | "gets randomly blocked" ??? |
| 21:15.32 | ksuhku | do you mean it hangs, i.e. stops responding? |
| 21:15.49 | txomon|home | I can only move the mouse, thought clicking, going to dash corner has no effect, and the keyboard works (I can alt-tab too) but the differente windows dont appear if hold |
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| 21:18.04 | ngc0202 | heya |
| 21:19.24 | ngc0202 | I'm trying to install Debian from a CD |
| 21:19.51 | ngc0202 | and it goes well until I select Install, and it pops up with something that says it was unable to load something |
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| 21:20.22 | txomon|home | any tip on how to debut that ksuhku ? |
| 21:20.30 | txomon|home | I know gnome-shell its failing |
| 21:20.40 | ngc0202 | What do I do? |
| 21:21.24 | ksuhku | txomon|home, tried reading the logs? |
| 21:21.28 | txomon|home | ngc0202, you tell use the something thing |
| 21:21.41 | ngc0202 | Yeah sorry |
| 21:21.46 | ngc0202 | I did it like 2 hours ago |
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| 21:21.52 | ngc0202 | gave up for a food/TV break |
| 21:22.06 | ngc0202 | I don't believe it said anything specific |
| 21:22.12 | txomon|home | ngc0202, I never use graphical installer... |
| 21:22.25 | ngc0202 | Should I have used the regular one? |
| 21:22.25 | txomon|home | ngc0202, then it should just put a blue screen |
| 21:22.51 | txomon|home | ngc0202, I think you would have the same problem |
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| 21:23.06 | ngc0202 | oh |
| 21:23.17 | ngc0202 | How do I fix the problem |
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| 21:23.26 | ngc0202 | I checked the .iso against the SHA1 |
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| 21:24.28 | txomon|home | ngc0202, the blue screen reference was real. If the installer wouldn't like to give information about the error, then it would just shutdown. So please, tell the exact message |
| 21:25.19 | txomon|home | ksuhku, strange thing found something like ERROR:download_updates_command.cc(129) |
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| 21:26.47 | txomon|home | ksuhku, seems that gnome-shell devs introduced a change that makes chromium crash/block |
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| 21:32.49 | misterllort | hi, I've been trying to install Debian over the last hour -- but it seems the installer has frozen |
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| 21:33.25 | misterllort | it has taken HOURS to download all the packages using network install, and at the screen where it says "Install" it just doesn't install... |
| 21:33.30 | misterllort | What should I do? |
| 21:34.04 | txomon|home | misterllort, you are the second to say that same problem |
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| 21:34.17 | txomon|home | which installer are you using? |
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| 21:34.51 | deeplloyd | what is the best way to go about installing a 32bit libpcap.so.1 on a 64bit system & operating system ? |
| 21:35.25 | misterllort | txomon|home: really? Who else mentioned it, is it a known bug? |
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| 21:35.28 | txomon|home | deeplloyd, see about multiarch |
| 21:35.42 | deeplloyd | txomon|home: will do |
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| 21:36.04 | txomon|home | misterllort, another guy came saying he was getting an error, and didn't tell the error message |
| 21:36.18 | misterllort | txomon|home: idk what it's called, it's just the default graphical installer for Debian... |
| 21:36.24 | misterllort | oh.. hm |
| 21:36.29 | txomon|home | I meant the cd |
| 21:36.29 | misterllort | maybe it's a bug |
| 21:36.49 | txomon|home | misterllort, I use the netboot installer/mini iso |
| 21:37.01 | misterllort | same.. |
| 21:37.10 | txomon|home | oh! better then |
| 21:37.22 | txomon|home | try with squeeze image, and the upgrade |
| 21:37.26 | misterllort | txomon|home: WAIT |
| 21:37.28 | txomon|home | that is the correct method |
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| 21:37.33 | misterllort | I think I've found a solution! |
| 21:37.38 | Jutas | Hi everybody. I would like to know in which folders has the files for the look beyond themes and icons? |
| 21:37.41 | txomon|home | tell me please |
| 21:37.57 | misterllort | I didn't realise -- I had to click on "Install". Now, it magically is installing! :D :O I'm so happy |
| 21:38.02 | misterllort | thanks for your help |
| 21:38.07 | txomon|home | Jutas, search for your desktom manager |
| 21:38.21 | txomon|home | misterllort, that was... xDD don't know the english word |
| 21:39.27 | Jutas | txomon|home: Okay. I have a look |
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| 21:41.51 | Jutas | txomon|home::There is no desktop manager application. Can you give me a link? |
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| 21:50.30 | ngc0202 | hm |
| 21:50.31 | ngc0202 | Ok |
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| 21:52.50 | djangana | if i just want to backup my system configurations/drivers/useful system thingys (learning linux and cant run a virtual machine and cant backup with rsync, also personal files created are not important), what directories should i backup? |
| 21:53.32 | ngc0202 | http://imgur.com/tWJUz9e,DPNQ0HU |
| 21:53.43 | zykotick9 | djangana: start by looking at the ~/.<FOLDER> stuff and /etc/ if you changed anything there. |
| 21:53.47 | ngc0202 | That's what happens when I press Install |
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| 21:53.59 | ngc0202 | It just sits at that second picture doing nothing after that |
| 21:54.23 | brontosaurusrex | what would be a decent audio-cd burning app? |
| 21:54.29 | brontosaurusrex | wheezy |
| 21:54.50 | djangana | zykotick9: how can i see if i changed something? |
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| 21:55.25 | zykotick9 | djangana: if you don't know, you probably didn't. i don't know of a way to test. good luck. |
| 21:55.25 | txomon|home | ngc0202, I recommend you use a stable cd, and then upgrade |
| 21:55.33 | ngc0202 | What do you mean? |
| 21:55.36 | txomon|home | its the recommended method |
| 21:55.45 | txomon|home | install debian stable |
| 21:55.56 | txomon|home | and make a dist-upgrade |
| 21:56.04 | ngc0202 | Well I'm on Win8 |
| 21:56.13 | txomon|home | ? |
| 21:56.15 | djangana | ok, thank you :) |
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| 21:56.48 | alteregoa | hi |
| 21:57.47 | alteregoa | someone tell me how to compile or install the mvsas module because the module in my kernel 3.5 doesnt support my hardware, so i want to try an actual 3.7 mvsas module on my 3.5 kernel |
| 21:58.34 | ngc0202 | txomon|home: How would I get this one to work? :P |
| 21:58.47 | txomon|home | ngc0202, ? |
| 21:58.50 | txomon|home | which one? |
| 21:58.53 | ngc0202 | The CD that I have now |
| 21:58.55 | txomon|home | that cd |
| 21:58.56 | txomon|home | ah |
| 21:58.57 | txomon|home | ok |
| 21:59.02 | txomon|home | never happened to me |
| 21:59.09 | txomon|home | give me the link of the image |
| 21:59.14 | txomon|home | and will try to reproduce |
| 21:59.39 | ngc0202 | It's firmware-wheezy-DI-rc1-amd64-netinst.iso |
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| 22:00.24 | alteregoa | do i have to download those mvsas sources from kernel orgsm? |
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| 22:02.10 | ngc0202 | txomon|home: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/wheezy_di_rc1/amd64/iso-cd/firmware-wheezy-DI-rc1-amd64-netinst.iso |
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| 22:02.17 | txomon|home | ngc0202, yeah found it |
| 22:02.22 | txomon|home | donwloading... |
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| 22:02.29 | ngc0202 | I'm on a computer with uh |
| 22:02.35 | alteregoa | uhura? |
| 22:02.35 | txomon|home | you are using the standard install? |
| 22:02.38 | ngc0202 | UETI or something like that |
| 22:02.44 | alteregoa | UEFI? |
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| 22:02.59 | ngc0202 | Yeah, that sounds right |
| 22:03.05 | alteregoa | fascinating |
| 22:03.25 | ngc0202 | I turned SecureBoot off though |
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| 22:04.41 | alteregoa | do i just have to make in the kernel source? |
| 22:04.51 | ngc0202 | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BZL0kiyjbyo |
| 22:05.00 | ngc0202 | If anyone needs some music to listen to |
| 22:05.25 | txomon|home | booting |
| 22:05.37 | txomon|home | used normal install= |
| 22:05.38 | txomon|home | ? |
| 22:05.49 | ngc0202 | I think |
| 22:06.01 | johndo | when I rebuild a debian package and change the version number with "debchange -l xy" that version number is lower than the next regular package version from debian |
| 22:06.02 | ngc0202 | I tried Install and Graphical Install |
| 22:06.05 | txomon|home | so, when does it fail? |
| 22:06.05 | ngc0202 | They both did the same |
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| 22:06.20 | txomon|home | did you tried the advanced options? |
| 22:06.23 | ngc0202 | no |
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| 22:06.29 | johndo | but is it also lower when the next version is an NMU package? |
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| 22:07.49 | johndo | (as the dot has a lower ASCII code than any number or letter) |
| 22:07.55 | txomon|home | ngc0202, press tab and erase the vga=788 argument |
| 22:08.07 | txomon|home | also the quiet argument |
| 22:08.16 | ngc0202 | ok |
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| 22:08.52 | txomon|home | did you succeed? |
| 22:08.52 | ngc0202 | I'll be back in a bit then |
| 22:08.55 | txomon|home | ah ok |
| 22:08.56 | txomon|home | xD |
| 22:08.58 | txomon|home | first |
| 22:08.59 | ngc0202 | :P |
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| 22:09.06 | txomon|home | try with just taking out the quiet |
| 22:09.09 | ngc0202 | I'm using the computer that I'm trying to install it on |
| 22:09.10 | txomon|home | wait |
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| 22:09.18 | txomon|home | note this down then |
| 22:09.26 | txomon|home | first try erasing the quiet |
| 22:09.35 | txomon|home | then, if no visible error put nomodeset |
| 22:10.12 | txomon|home | and then erase also the vga=788 |
| 22:10.28 | ngc0202 | ok |
| 22:10.54 | txomon|home | there are mor options |
| 22:10.59 | txomon|home | but I don't remember them ;( |
| 22:11.19 | txomon|home | in theory the nomodeset would have to work |
| 22:11.19 | alteregoa | i get mad |
| 22:11.26 | alteregoa | i opened the windows |
| 22:11.35 | txomon|home | good luck ngc0202 ! |
| 22:11.51 | ngc0202 | dankeschön :) |
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| 22:12.52 | txomon|home | alteregoa, which is your problem? |
| 22:13.02 | alteregoa | i can't compile those mvsas module |
| 22:13.12 | p3rror | hello |
| 22:13.17 | alteregoa | i get error no targets |
| 22:13.25 | alteregoa | make - no targets |
| 22:13.32 | txomon|home | so make all? |
| 22:13.35 | p3rror | please I need t set a personnel repository for debian packages |
| 22:13.38 | txomon|home | you have to use something after the make |
| 22:13.46 | txomon|home | check the Makefile for targets |
| 22:13.47 | alteregoa | yeah make install |
| 22:13.54 | p3rror | How I do to set a Release.gpg file |
| 22:13.57 | txomon|home | p3rror, personal yours? |
| 22:14.08 | txomon|home | p3rror, you should check the debian tutos |
| 22:14.20 | txomon|home | alteregoa, first make all |
| 22:14.20 | p3rror | twobitsprite, yes for the entreprise |
| 22:14.39 | txomon|home | p3rror, seriously, check the debian tutorials |
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| 22:14.48 | alteregoa | obj-$(CONFIG_SCSI_MVSAS) += mvsas.o |
| 22:14.50 | p3rror | twobitsprite, is the Release.gpg the same gpg key used by package maintener ? |
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| 22:15.11 | p3rror | txomon|home, is the Release.gpg the same gpg key used by package maintener ? |
| 22:15.14 | alteregoa | well im not a C guru |
| 22:15.23 | txomon|home | p3rror, no idea |
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| 22:15.38 | alteregoa | i received a guru meditation |
| 22:15.41 | txomon|home | alteregoa, that will check into the .config for CONFIG_SCSI_MVSAS |
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| 22:19.07 | txomon|home | alteregoa, any way, you have downloaded _all_ the kernel source? |
| 22:19.17 | alteregoa | yes |
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| 22:19.33 | alteregoa | but the kernel source is new |
| 22:19.43 | txomon|home | alteregoa, you want to compile a new kernel? |
| 22:19.51 | alteregoa | i try to backport the module |
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| 22:20.01 | alteregoa | no i just need a simple module |
| 22:20.07 | txomon|home | ok |
| 22:20.17 | txomon|home | then, I would try to take it out from the source tree |
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| 22:20.51 | alteregoa | i did that moved the stuff into /tmp/src/drivers/scsi/mvsas |
| 22:20.52 | txomon|home | I would even download the kernel you are currently using, and patch it with the changes in the module (supposing it hasn't any dependency) |
| 22:20.54 | khaije1 | I'm using tar and mt to write a series of backup volumes to magnetic tape but only the first volume seems to be saving... am I overlooking something here? |
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| 22:21.45 | alteregoa | so i have to recompile my kernel? |
| 22:21.48 | ChibaPet | khaije1: Is tar noticing when the tape ends? |
| 22:22.25 | alteregoa | sorry i may ask things, because i dunno |
| 22:22.28 | ChibaPet | khaije1: It's conceivable that if it's not noticing it automatically, you might need to specify something manually with --tape-length |
| 22:23.04 | ExeciN | I am missing b43/ucode16_mimo.fw and b43-open/ucode16_mimo.fw how should I proceed? (are those for the wifi or the ethernet chip?) |
| 22:23.13 | khaije1 | I'm not sure.. ChibaPet. I appears to write fine but when I try to read it, it only produces the first "set" |
| 22:23.13 | txomon|home | alteregoa, no, I would just copy the config, and make modules make modules_install |
| 22:23.22 | txomon|home | but I am not too sure |
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| 22:23.47 | txomon|home | but I usually recompile the whole kernel to have it in a different grub entry |
| 22:23.53 | khaije1 | ChibaPet: is there a way to list different volumes, or perhaps tar will only see the first volume on a tape? |
| 22:23.53 | ChibaPet | khaije1: How do you know when to switch tapes? Is tar telling you it's reached the end of the media? |
| 22:24.03 | txomon|home | so that I just can say dpkg -r my-failed-kernel and get rid of it |
| 22:24.10 | khaije1 | ChibaPet: nope, no message |
| 22:24.13 | ChibaPet | Oh, you're dumping out to different files on a tape, and not spanning tapes? |
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| 22:25.02 | ChibaPet | Depending on what your MT does, you can probably manually get to the right place with "mt asf foo" or something like that. Been a while. |
| 22:25.03 | khaije1 | ChibaPet: right, iterating over serval directories with tar -cf /dev/tape |
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| 22:25.51 | ChibaPet | You shouldn't need mt to change things around if you're just using tar to dump out files linearly. |
| 22:26.02 | ChibaPet | Also, make sure you're not using the auto-rewind device. |
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| 22:26.53 | ChibaPet | You should, if memory serves, be able to tar up a batch, tar up another batch, tar up a third batch, then say "mt asf 3" and "tar tvpf" ought to show you the third batch. |
| 22:27.17 | ChibaPet | Try it with pretty small batches so it goes faster in testing. Make sure your tape starts rewound. |
| 22:27.38 | nickn | Being curious: What language the debian installer is written in? |
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| 22:28.05 | nickn | Curious (2): Is it just apt which does the whole installation? |
| 22:28.41 | ChibaPet | khaije1: I'm heading AFK for a bit, but if you encounter weirdness, I'll be happy to help when I get back. Describe what you see to the channel and I'll read scrollback. |
| 22:29.26 | rryoumaa | how do i find out which wheezy cd contains a given package? |
| 22:29.43 | khaije1 | ChibaPet: hey thanks alot! |
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| 22:30.18 | rryoumaa | (the package is ddccontrol. in order to test something (time-sensitive), i am going to install on a computer for which i don't have an ethernet cable yet. so i want to just get that one cd, plus anything it depends on.) |
| 22:30.42 | zykotick9 | !tell rryoumaa about cd contents |
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| 22:31.43 | txomon|home | alteregoa, so, in your case, I would apt-get source your kernel, (apply patches if you wish) and patch it with the changes. Then make (-j9 (for 8 cores)) deb-pkg, and finally just install them all |
| 22:31.50 | rryoumaa | zykotick9: thanks. do you know how i can tell which other cds will be necessary in order to run that one package? |
| 22:32.03 | zykotick9 | rryoumaa: sorry, i have no idea. good luck. |
| 22:32.22 | alteregoa | thanks txomon| |
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| 22:33.53 | tozzifan | hi |
| 22:34.03 | zykotick9 | rryoumaa: on my wheezy install - ddcontrol depends on: ddccontrol-db, libc6, libddccontrol0, libpci3 and libxml2 |
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| 22:34.50 | rryoumaa | zykotick9: so i search for each of those manually then? |
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| 22:35.16 | rryoumaa | hmm, i just clicked on iso and got a 404 |
| 22:35.28 | zykotick9 | rryoumaa: i guess? i just ran "apt-cache depends ddccontrol" to generate that list |
| 22:35.32 | rryoumaa | 404: http://caesar.acc.umu.se/cdimage/weekly-builds/source/iso-cd/debian-testing-source-CD-7.iso |
| 22:35.49 | rryoumaa | zykotick9: thanks |
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| 22:36.27 | tozzifan | i've asked dpkg about HDMI audio output but it cant help. Is there a way to choose the audio output via some mixer application? i've tried gstreamer but it's not on the list. I connected a television to my pc via HDMI, i can use 2 screens now (pc screen and the tv screen) but i cant send the audio to the tv through the HDMI cable. how can i do? |
| 22:37.29 | zykotick9 | tozzifan: does "cat /proc/asound/cards" list your HDMI? i'm not really any help beyond that suggestion, i've never used hdmi myself. |
| 22:38.40 | tozzifan | zykotick9: no it doesnt appear. should it be there? it's not a sound card so i think it's normal if i only have 1 soundcard listed in that file. |
| 22:39.23 | zykotick9 | tozzifan: that lists what ALSA sees? but i'm not sure if it should/shouldn't - but if you want to use alsa, then i'd think it should. |
| 22:39.41 | khaije1 | ChibaPet: is there a way to tell how many files/archives are written to a tape? (so I'd know how many rewind+fsf are needed to list everything) |
| 22:39.55 | johndo | rryoumaa: when you only want to install one package (with it's dependencies) why do you want to download whole CDs? just download that package and the packages it depends on, put them on a stick or a CD and install from that |
| 22:39.59 | tozzifan | zykotick9: in /proc/asound/cards i only have my soundcard (only one). I use pulseaudio, on openbox (no gnome) |
| 22:40.01 | khaije1 | or is it a test-until-fail proposition? |
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| 22:40.27 | rryoumaa | johndo: i can do the whole instalation then by downloading cd 1 and those packages? |
| 22:40.36 | vaillor | guys, is possible to create a ssh profile with a ssh key? |
| 22:40.43 | vaillor | like in putty |
| 22:40.48 | zykotick9 | tozzifan: sorry, i probably should have just kept my mouth shut ;) i have no idea how HDMI works... good luck! |
| 22:41.00 | rryoumaa | johndo: how do i download just those? |
| 22:41.05 | johndo | rryoumaa: yes, you can install these packages with dpkg directly |
| 22:41.09 | vaillor | i have a list of saved profiles that i can load to connect to a server with an rsa key |
| 22:41.21 | johndo | rryoumaa: e.g. with aptitude download |
| 22:41.34 | rryoumaa | johndo: assumes existence of ethernet cable + debian |
| 22:41.42 | rryoumaa | i do not have both of those at the same time |
| 22:41.55 | johndo | (when you have a running debian systen with the same relaese) |
| 22:42.46 | rryoumaa | is instaling via cd 1 the same as netinst as far as the basic system goes? |
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| 22:43.51 | zykotick9 | rryoumaa: not really. if you install desktop in netinst then ya, very close. |
| 22:44.15 | zykotick9 | rryoumaa: BUT with netinst you don't have to install desktop. |
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| 22:47.06 | ChibaPet | khaije1: The only thing that comes to mind is moving to each file and seeing what's there. |
| 22:47.45 | ChibaPet | khaije1: Being a streaming interface, anything beyond that is outside of the scope of the tape itself. Maybe get an index together of what you'll have on the tape and have that be the first file... |
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| 22:50.17 | _DomY-Dom | Hello, GRUB on my Debian dedicated server broke. I essentially accessed my server in rescue mode (netboot) and mounted my partition, and then did these commands in succession http://bpaste.net/show/goOmMSVMFAcpd8XzA0h1/ ; what do I do now exactly ? |
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| 22:51.43 | Talloc | Hi all, I'm running Wheezy from persistant usb happily for a few weeks now. I'd like to install to HD, but what is the command/program called? |
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| 22:53.37 | blast_hardcheese | Talloc: I'm not aware of anything to take an existing installation and port it to a hard disk, but you could just install Wheezy normally using a netinstall CD (if possible) or thumbdrive image |
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| 22:54.53 | Talloc | blast_hardcheese: thanks, I know... but I'd prefer to install from an installed system (albeit a persistent usb) and avoid baking another USB stick. |
| 22:55.11 | blast_hardcheese | Talloc: oh, you could use debootstrap to do this I think |
| 22:55.16 | blast_hardcheese | now that I think about it |
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| 22:55.46 | _DomY-Dom | Hello, GRUB on my Debian dedicated server broke. I essentially accessed my server in rescue mode (netboot) and mounted my partition, and then did these commands in succession http://bpaste.net/show/goOmMSVMFAcpd8XzA0h1/ ; what do I do now exactly ? |
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| 22:56.56 | blast_hardcheese | _DomY-Dom: I'd also do an update-grub2 from inside your environment |
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| 22:57.25 | blast_hardcheese | What happens when you try to boot now? What error message are you getting, if any? |
| 22:57.30 | _DomY-Dom | blast_hardcheese: Right done, and then ? |
| 22:57.47 | Talloc | blast_hardcheese: That seems to be what i'm looking for. Thanks! |
| 22:57.53 | _DomY-Dom | blast_hardcheese: "Generating grub.cfg ... |
| 22:57.53 | _DomY-Dom | Found background image: /usr/share/images/desktop-base/desktop-grub.png No volume groups found |
| 22:57.57 | _DomY-Dom | " * |
| 22:58.00 | ChibaPet | khaije1: I'm taking off now, but if things are still not working for you, I suspect others in here will have had experience with tapes. I'll check back when I get home. |
| 22:58.02 | blast_hardcheese | Talloc: No worries! |
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| 22:58.29 | blast_hardcheese | _DomY-Dom: What special environment do you have? lvm root? mdadm? |
| 22:58.42 | _DomY-Dom | blast_hardcheese: I was using chroot |
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| 22:59.11 | blast_hardcheese | _DomY-Dom: I mean on your machine, ignoring what you've done for the rescue |
| 22:59.43 | khaije1 | ChibaPet: ok, final question (I think), how do i know which is the rewind device you mentioned I should avoid? |
| 23:00.09 | khaije1 | gasps! |
| 23:00.14 | khaije1 | no ChibaPet ... |
| 23:00.18 | khaije1 | don't go |
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| 23:00.33 | abrotman | khaije1: what are you trying to figure out ? |
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| 23:01.14 | _DomY-Dom | blast_hardcheese: I actually don't know, I'm sorry, how do I check ? |
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| 23:01.29 | blast_hardcheese | _DomY-Dom: Is this a fresh installation? |
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| 23:01.51 | _DomY-Dom | blast_hardcheese: No, not at all |
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| 23:02.11 | khaije1 | abrotman: oh how to tell the different tape devices apart. I have /dev/nst0[1am ] and have been using /dev/nst0 ... is that right, how can I tell? |
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| 23:02.14 | _DomY-Dom | _DomY-Dom: I'm fixing my server, it has loads of stuff on it. GRUB glitched out randomly and I am now attempting to repair it |
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| 23:02.28 | _DomY-Dom | blast_hardcheese: * why did I write my own name -_-" |
| 23:02.35 | blast_hardcheese | _DomY-Dom: OK, if you restart right now, what happens? What shows on the screen, etc? |
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| 23:03.01 | abrotman | khaije1: nst0 means no rewind when you're done IIRC, while you sohuld also have a /dev/st0 ? |
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| 23:03.32 | khaije1 | abrotman: thats correct |
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| 23:04.04 | rryoumaa | what's the difference between rescue and standard live cd? |
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| 23:04.23 | FluxD | Hi, I am having a stupid networking issue, and I don't know why. One of my sites when I traceroute from home, it hits the site in 1 hop, no packet loss but the site doesn't load when I visit it. Any other location it loads fine, and has multiple hops in traceroute. Ideas? |
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| 23:05.03 | zykotick9 | rryoumaa: in the similarities department: they're both not official. |
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| 23:05.18 | rryoumaa | oh! |
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| 23:05.40 | blast_hardcheese | zykotick9: rescue mode on the installation media? |
| 23:05.41 | alteregoa | fluxd: DNS issue? |
| 23:06.14 | FluxD | alteregoa, like my resolvers you mean? If so, machine is set to look at router, which is set to opendns |
| 23:06.24 | zykotick9 | blast_hardcheese: there's a rescue mode on netinst/cd1 type thing? i wasn't aware of that. rryoumaa sorry, only part of my statement was true then. |
| 23:06.25 | alteregoa | opendns sucks |
| 23:06.38 | abrotman | khaije1: so do you understand how the st0 and nst0 work ? |
| 23:06.39 | blast_hardcheese | zykotick9: Yeah, it's under "advanced" |
| 23:06.46 | alteregoa | i use goauld dns, never had problems |
| 23:06.53 | khaije1 | abrotman: no |
| 23:07.01 | FluxD | alteregoa, It has been perfect for me, and I would rather not use google dns |
| 23:07.05 | abrotman | wonders if this is covered in a nice doc somewhere |
| 23:07.10 | blast_hardcheese | rryoumaa: "rescue" under the installation media has the option to either boot into the installation environment or the target machine |
| 23:07.21 | alteregoa | yeah paranoia is not a good mentor |
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| 23:07.56 | abrotman | khaije1: personally, i used dump/restore |
| 23:08.13 | zykotick9 | alteregoa: it's not paranoia, when they're really "after" you ;) |
| 23:08.18 | _DomY-Dom | blast_hardcheese: no visual interface |
| 23:08.21 | _DomY-Dom | blast_hardcheese: shall I still try ? |
| 23:08.25 | alteregoa | yeah like 1984 |
| 23:08.25 | khaije1 | abrotman: for working w/ tape? |
| 23:08.30 | blast_hardcheese | _DomY-Dom: sorry, no visual interface meaning? |
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| 23:08.42 | abrotman | khaije1: yes .. they have decent man pages, but oyu'll also need to learn 'mt' |
| 23:08.55 | _DomY-Dom | blast_hardcheese: cause if it reboots in rescue mode because GRUB hasn't been repaired then it will generate a new password and will have to contact my hosting company |
| 23:09.03 | _DomY-Dom | blast_hardcheese: sorry not visual interface just meant I am sshing to it |
| 23:09.10 | _DomY-Dom | blast_hardcheese: not in front of the actual machine |
| 23:09.21 | blast_hardcheese | _DomY-Dom: Oh, I see. |
| 23:09.37 | blast_hardcheese | um... that's tricky |
| 23:09.38 | abrotman | khaije1: nst0 is a no-rewind device, st0 is to rewind .. you'll have to evaluate what type of backups you're doing as to which you might want to use |
| 23:09.46 | abrotman | khaije1: dump/restore hide some of that for ou |
| 23:09.47 | abrotman | you |
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| 23:10.15 | khaije1 | abrotman: sounds good, I'll read up on this now, thanks |
| 23:10.34 | abrotman | khaije1: there should be some tape and/or backup howtos that discuss this |
| 23:11.11 | blast_hardcheese | _DomY-Dom: You could try uninstalling and reinstalling grub2-- bpaste seems to be down, so I can't see what you typed |
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| 23:17.30 | _DomY-Dom | blast_hardcheese: http://pastebin.com/uzFgp7wA |
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| 23:19.42 | blast_hardcheese | _DomY-Dom: What's "mount | grep /dev/" say? |
| 23:20.02 | satdav | is their a pre installed package for python on debian |
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| 23:20.18 | blast_hardcheese | satdav: "pre-installed"? |
| 23:20.19 | _DomY-Dom | blast_hardcheese: http://pastebin.com/8dqy9RX7 |
| 23:20.40 | blast_hardcheese | _DomY-Dom: "ls /" |
| 23:20.51 | satdav | like on apt-get |
| 23:21.09 | blast_hardcheese | satdav: Do you mean pre-compiled? "apt-get install python" ? |
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| 23:21.25 | satdav | yes i need to get Python 2.6.6-ish or higher |
| 23:21.47 | blast_hardcheese | it's very available. python2.7 or python3.whatever |
| 23:21.51 | blast_hardcheese | just install it |
| 23:22.07 | satdav | OK |
| 23:22.15 | satdav | is it on apt-get install python |
| 23:22.20 | satdav | and what build is that |
| 23:22.35 | satdav | debhelper, python |
| 23:22.38 | blast_hardcheese | _DomY-Dom: What I'm trying to figure out is why grub isn't finding any kernels. |
| 23:23.39 | blast_hardcheese | _DomY-Dom: set -x; ls /boot; cat /etc/fstab |
| 23:23.40 | blast_hardcheese | please |
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| 23:25.37 | satdav | how do i see if its a real version I am using |
| 23:25.42 | _DomY-Dom | blast_hardcheese: I see. The last output of the command gave http://pastebin.com/Z3sKSr2b |
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| 23:26.40 | blast_hardcheese | _DomY-Dom: You have no kernels, is this xen or openvz or something? I think even for those you still need a kernel |
| 23:26.44 | blast_hardcheese | _DomY-Dom: uname -a please |
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| 23:27.32 | blast_hardcheese | This might be getting to the limits of my knowledge, as I've only really worked in hvm environments |
| 23:27.39 | ExeciN | I got stuck on Select and install software. How can I proceed? |
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| 23:27.54 | blast_hardcheese | ExeciN: "stuck" |
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| 23:29.16 | ExeciN | blast_hardcheese: it fails and tells me that I can skip that step and deal with it later (or something similar) |
| 23:29.34 | blast_hardcheese | ExeciN: Do you have an internet connection? |
| 23:29.47 | blast_hardcheese | (or are you installing from disk) |
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| 23:30.16 | ExeciN | blast_hardcheese: I have an internet connection. I am using netinst |
| 23:30.42 | blast_hardcheese | ExeciN: If you switch to VT2 and wget http://debian.org/ , what happens? |
| 23:30.51 | _DomY-Dom | blast_hardcheese: What you mean I have no "kernel" ?. http://pastebin.com/57BBwHr6 |
| 23:30.58 | ExeciN | could the problem be on the mirror I choose? |
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| 23:31.51 | blast_hardcheese | _DomY-Dom: Well, typically /boot looks like this: http://blast.hardchee.se/~/files/2013-02-19/boot.txt |
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| 23:32.24 | ExeciN | blast_hardcheese: I aborted the installation. I am already late for sleep. I am just gathering info for tomorrow |
| 23:33.14 | blast_hardcheese | ExeciN: I think you've already got most/all relevant stuff installed currently, you can select nothing at that screen, the next thing will be to install grub, then reboot into your installation and install software from there |
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| 23:34.41 | zykotick9 | ExeciN: just restating what blast_hardcheese just said, but it's possible to select nothing on netinst and get a working install. |
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| 23:35.22 | _DomY-Dom | blast_hardcheese: ALl I have is ls |
| 23:35.22 | _DomY-Dom | + ls --color=auto |
| 23:35.24 | _DomY-Dom | bzImage-3.2.14-std-ipv6-64 grub |
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| 23:35.45 | _DomY-Dom | blast_hardcheese: sorry, ignore the ls bit |
| 23:36.15 | blast_hardcheese | _DomY-Dom: Right, you pastebin'd that to me earlier |
| 23:36.39 | ExeciN | blast_hardcheese: I tried to take a look at the log files using the web server method. I was able to view them so my network is ok |
| 23:37.09 | blast_hardcheese | Well, what I'd do is just install linux-image-amd64, it should re-run update-grub2, then reboot and hope for the best |
| 23:37.23 | Towzzer | hi |
| 23:37.26 | blast_hardcheese | well, paste the output of the installation process before rebooting |
| 23:37.31 | blast_hardcheese | to be sure |
| 23:37.38 | blast_hardcheese | but that would be my next course of action |
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| 23:37.59 | ExeciN | zykotick9, blast_hardcheese: I will try and continue with grub tomorrow if select and install software fails again |
| 23:38.19 | blast_hardcheese | ExeciN: I normally deselect all those things anyway |
| 23:38.31 | blast_hardcheese | once you're in an installed environment you can install whatever you want |
| 23:38.59 | blast_hardcheese | I like getting all the basic stuff out of the way first, before I devote lots of time to configuring which packages I want. "Does it boot? Great. Now we can proceed." |
| 23:39.00 | _DomY-Dom | blast_hardcheese: alright, will try that :) |
| 23:39.13 | blast_hardcheese | _DomY-Dom: Definitely paste the output before rebooting though, I'll be here :) |
| 23:39.35 | ExeciN | blast_hardcheese: I wasn't prompted with a selection screen. Right after I pressed enter on select and install software I got the error |
| 23:40.19 | blast_hardcheese | ExeciN: Oh, you didn't just go through the installation process normally? You can't just jump ahead past other steps |
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| 23:41.24 | nickn | I want to install debian with uefi boot |
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| 23:41.38 | nickn | is this possible or has this be made by hand? |
| 23:41.49 | _DomY-Dom | blast_hardcheese: http://pastebin.com/pLBBjmiJ |
| 23:41.51 | satdav | is their a apt-get command to install python 2.2.5.5/ |
| 23:41.52 | satdav | 2.5.5/ |
| 23:42.00 | satdav | on debain squeeze |
| 23:42.08 | ExeciN | blast_hardcheese: I went to do the installation normally but then I got the error and tried to do "select and install software" again (that time using the menu I mentioned above) |
| 23:42.09 | zykotick9 | !tell nickn about uefi |
| 23:42.28 | satdav | !python |
| 23:42.28 | dpkg | Python is a very nice scripting language, easy to learn and still quite powerful and elegant if you know how to use it. See http://wiki.python.org/moin/BeginnersGuide . #python and ##python on irc.freenode.net, #python on irc.oftc.net. See also <python 2.6>, <python 2.7> and <python 3>. |
| 23:42.58 | satdav | !python2.5 |
| 23:43.02 | blast_hardcheese | ExeciN: very odd. |
| 23:43.16 | satdav | !python2.5 |
| 23:43.17 | blast_hardcheese | _DomY-Dom: Great! |
| 23:43.27 | blast_hardcheese | _DomY-Dom: What hosting provider is this, btw? |
| 23:43.31 | satdav | is the bot not working |
| 23:43.47 | _DomY-Dom | blast_hardcheese: A french one, you don't know it ;) firstheberg.com |
| 23:43.51 | _DomY-Dom | blast_hardcheese: so do I reboot ? |
| 23:43.56 | zykotick9 | !tell satdav about msg the bot |
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| 23:44.05 | _DomY-Dom | blast_hardcheese: log out of chroot and reboot ? |
| 23:44.08 | blast_hardcheese | _DomY-Dom: I think you should be able to reboot now and have it come up |
| 23:44.23 | ExeciN | I am out. I'll see what I can do tomorrow |
| 23:44.41 | _DomY-Dom | blast_hardcheese: alright, logging out of chroot environment and rebooting. Let's do this! |
| 23:44.50 | blast_hardcheese | crosses fingers |
| 23:45.00 | _DomY-Dom | lol was just about to write that ^^ |
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| 23:45.43 | naptastic | Has anyone expertise with network installs (PXE)? |
| 23:45.57 | blast_hardcheese | naptastic: A number of people |
| 23:46.04 | blast_hardcheese | what's your question |
| 23:46.08 | _DomY-Dom | blast_hardcheese: for now connection to it is timing out, it probably hasn't completely rebooted yet |
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| 23:46.28 | blast_hardcheese | _DomY-Dom: Right, I wish there was a way to see the console while it's booting. |
| 23:46.46 | naptastic | I've set up DHCP and TFTP. The DHCP works, and TFTP starts working, but the client fails to boot with this error message: |
| 23:46.52 | naptastic | Could not find kernel image: debian-installer/i386/boot-screens/vesamenu.c32 |
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| 23:47.16 | blast_hardcheese | naptastic: Where's your pxe root, and do you have the netinstall tgz extracted there? |
| 23:47.28 | blast_hardcheese | _DomY-Dom: Any luck? |
| 23:47.39 | naptastic | blast_hardcheese, /srv/tftp, and yes. |
| 23:47.48 | _DomY-Dom | blast_hardcheese: sec |
| 23:48.00 | naptastic | blast_hardcheese, actually I think I may know what it is. Sec... |
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| 23:48.23 | blast_hardcheese | Man, I'm getting lots of sec's |
| 23:48.27 | blast_hardcheese | I feel so special |
| 23:49.02 | naptastic | blast_hardcheese, okay, it's not a problem with dhcpd.conf as far as I can tell. |
| 23:49.12 | naptastic | Let me compare it with one that actually is working. |
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| 23:51.36 | _DomY-Dom | blast_hardcheese: Haha lol. Nope, unfortunately no hope. Can't connect to it with the password that was set before. Must have rebooted in rescue mode with a different password again. Need to ask my host to change the password again ... :/ |
| 23:51.49 | _DomY-Dom | blast_hardcheese: So clearly, GRUB wasn't fixed. |
| 23:52.02 | blast_hardcheese | _DomY-Dom: Unless the machine itself is having issues, not grub |
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| 23:52.16 | _DomY-Dom | blast_hardcheese: what kind though ? My host thought GRUB was broken |
| 23:52.36 | blast_hardcheese | If grub was broken it wouldn't be booting into a rescue environment |
| 23:52.41 | blast_hardcheese | it would be booting into a grub console |
| 23:53.10 | blast_hardcheese | What was the last thing you did before everything broke? |
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| 23:53.55 | _DomY-Dom | blast_hardcheese: I haven no idea, nothing particular, probably like making a tarball or something, nothing I can remember particularly well, I mean honestly. Nothing special at all. |
| 23:54.17 | _DomY-Dom | blast_hardcheese: Yeah but according to my host GRUB was broken so they they put it into a rescue environment for me. I can't do that myself |
| 23:54.32 | _DomY-Dom | blast_hardcheese: brb, hold your next message please |
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| 23:57.48 | naptastic | (The rescue environment is probably a live CD, not an environment on the server itself). |
| 23:57.52 | _DomY-Dom | blast_hardcheese: alright, amback |
| 23:57.59 | naptastic | _DomY-Dom, who is your host? |
| 23:58.24 | blast_hardcheese | naptastic: "firstheberg.com" |
| 23:58.31 | blast_hardcheese | some french hosting provider |
| 23:58.35 | naptastic | hmm |
| 23:59.13 | naptastic | _DomY-Dom, the first thing you should do is check your hard drives for damage, then filesystems. |
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