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| 00:00.11 | laidback_01 | confusid, well, yeah, but firewalls also work for test/prod things. I used them constantly for development, once something is in production, the firewall changes to block the app ip from connecting to test environment. or you can forward it, etc. they are super useful tools. I'll never be without a firewall a gain - they really are a great tool - not just for security, but for convenience. |
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| 00:00.25 | JiKeidan | Any suggestions on how to get the nvidia chipset drivers loaded into the kernel? |
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| 00:01.18 | confusid | laidback_01: if I may ask. what would you recomend for a sql setup with 5 db's that serve 6 sites? 1 of the 6 being an admin site? |
| 00:01.52 | JCainLT | MySQL has proved quite useful for me confusid - postGRE if you want to go higher. |
| 00:02.04 | confusid | TuxFighter: also one more command iwconfig man that. |
| 00:02.19 | monttyle | I'm a bit confused on the difference between NetworkManager and /etc/network/interfaces. If NetworkManager doesn't use that file, what does? |
| 00:02.27 | confusid | JCainLT: ty, will try it out |
| 00:02.44 | JCainLT | JiKeidan: What video chipset are you using? Is it onboard? |
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| 00:03.41 | JiKeidan | it is onboard JCainLT |
| 00:04.04 | laidback_01 | confusid, somewhat depends on site load, eh? I mean, if these are all sites which have very minor things going on, well... a single server's going to work, right? one or two sites are medium, the others are low, probably start looking at dividing things up a bit. that's a little to generic a question to give an actual answer. |
| 00:04.27 | JiKeidan | i'm googling the model of machine to dig up the chipset |
| 00:05.14 | somiaj | TuxFighter: you can use /etc/network/interfaces as a way to easily set some ifconfig/iwconfig options. http://paste.debian.net/236100/ put that in your interfaces file, then 'ifup wlan0' |
| 00:05.31 | laidback_01 | confusid, I'm a postgres user anymore anyways... not that it's all that different, but typically for servers, I'm using freebsd with zfs because I have great luck with reliability and speed. most everything is based on experience and opinion of the person doing the work... so you will end up being the best to make that decision. |
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| 00:06.00 | monttyle | somiaj: My question relates to that actually. I've got a wireless network configured there, and on boot it connects, then disconnects. |
| 00:06.12 | JiKeidan | JCainLT: motherboard is the A8N-LA ... *dig dig dig* |
| 00:06.14 | confusid | laidback_01: fair!.. ty! |
| 00:06.28 | somiaj | monttyle: does it just loose assoicating with the ap after some time? |
| 00:06.45 | dioz | loose association |
| 00:06.51 | dioz | kind of reminds me of my x-gf |
| 00:06.53 | JiKeidan | ah, here we go, JCainLT: Geforce 6150 LE |
| 00:07.05 | monttyle | somiaj: No, it stays associated. All it needs is 'ifconfig wlan0 192.168.0.85 255.255.255.0' |
| 00:07.36 | monttyle | so I'm wondering if I'm gettimg some sort of interference from NetworkManager. I thought /etc/network/ *was* NetworkManager, but it seems it's not so cut and dry |
| 00:07.38 | laidback_01 | confusid, all that aside, do yourself a favor and look at some way of decoupling - either an ORM, or a proxy of some sort. it's a headache now, but if you grow and need to change, you will really be happy about that move. |
| 00:07.56 | somiaj | monttyle: no they are completely different. If you use network manager you should not manually configure things |
| 00:08.22 | monttyle | somiaj: What service reads /etc/network/ on boot? |
| 00:08.23 | somiaj | monttyle: /etc/network/interfaces is a debian file which are used with the scripts ifup and ifdown to bring up and down interfaces. |
| 00:08.41 | somiaj | monttyle: networking, it brings up any interface in that file that has an 'auto' assoicated with it |
| 00:08.56 | somiaj | monttyle: so it only brings it up automitcally if there is an 'auto wlan0' in there |
| 00:09.06 | monttyle | Yep, there's 'auto wlan0' in there all right. |
| 00:09.22 | monttyle | It's probably networkmanager fighting it then. Thanks! |
| 00:09.49 | somiaj | monttyle: do you want to use network manager or not? If you want to use network mananger comment out all the lines in your interfaces file. (network manager should ignore any interface int he interfaces file, but it is better if you don't use it to uninstall or disable it) |
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| 00:10.04 | monttyle | I do not want to use networkmanager, but kind of thought I had to. |
| 00:10.12 | monttyle | Off it goes :p |
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| 00:12.16 | pfred1 | I tried getting a wifi going on a system without network manager it didn't happen for me |
| 00:12.30 | monttyle | shrugs. "Some cards are difficult. This one's working." |
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| 00:13.02 | pfred1 | something with the key I tried entering it every which way it just wouldn't connect to my network |
| 00:13.17 | pfred1 | network manager did it 1 2 3 though |
| 00:13.39 | pfred1 | the auth |
| 00:13.41 | monttyle | Were you using wpa_supplicant ar putting it all in /etc/network/interfaces ? |
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| 00:13.53 | pfred1 | I used this other gui to set it up |
| 00:14.00 | pfred1 | I forget wehat it was called now |
| 00:14.14 | monttyle | Ah. I'm just using straight config files. |
| 00:14.15 | armin | hi, is there a common rule of thumb when to reboot a system after an upgrade? kernel/libc/glibc? |
| 00:14.34 | monttyle | kernel, you must reboot. libc/glibc, probably a good idea. |
| 00:14.42 | pfred1 | agreed |
| 00:14.57 | armin | what can happen if i don't do it after libc/glibc? |
| 00:15.20 | armin | i mean will i recognize running into problems? |
| 00:16.00 | monttyle | It will keep the old libc in memory even after being deleted. so you'll get long-running programs using the old libc, and new programs using the new one. |
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| 00:16.19 | armin | ok that really sounds like a bad idea |
| 00:16.22 | armin | thanks |
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| 00:18.22 | monttyle | Also means, if there are any big problems, you won't discover them until you reboot. Can be a nasty shock. |
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| 00:20.07 | pfred1 | yeah I'd rather know sooner than later |
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| 00:29.15 | angs | I set up debian 6 on a machine by using prebuild debian rootfs. when I need to log in to the system, it asks debian login: , and I write root and it automatically outputs Login incorrect |
| 00:29.57 | angs | but prebuild debian's username is defined as root. why it reject the root user name before asking the password? |
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| 00:30.19 | gnarface | angs: what is this prebuild you talk of? |
| 00:31.28 | angs | gnarface: it is for an embedded board, it is described as "Debian Squeeze rootfs" |
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| 00:32.02 | gnarface | angs: they have altered it. you need to check their docs. we don't know |
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| 00:32.42 | gnarface | angs: its possible that they changed the root user's name |
| 00:32.55 | gnarface | angs: (whoever they are) |
| 00:33.39 | angs | I found that /etc/securetty needs to be edited by adding /dev/ttyAMA0 |
| 00:33.42 | angs | thank you |
| 00:34.05 | gnarface | angs: no problem |
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| 00:37.30 | Deele | hello |
| 00:37.50 | Deele | I'm installing a debian, and want to set up software raid for first time, can you help me? |
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| 00:40.43 | monttyle | Yes, it was networkmanager. Works now! |
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| 01:02.49 | JiKeidan | interesting... while having problem getting my Gforce 6150 LE drivers to function on my debian build... i noticed that when i pop in an ubuntu install, it boots up into ubuntu... this is curious because the drivers seem to function well enough then... |
| 01:03.26 | JiKeidan | but even when i install ubuntu on teh machine, once it boots from the hard drive... it no longer is able to display any video xD |
| 01:03.45 | JiKeidan | why is it then, that the bootup disc works, when the hard drive OS boot does not |
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| 01:08.05 | pfred1 | JiKeidan bad quality control |
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| 01:09.43 | Deele | hey |
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| 01:10.10 | Deele | can you help me set up RAID5 with 4x1TB drives? |
| 01:10.46 | Deele | I'm newbie in *nix raid and partitioning |
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| 01:15.23 | Deele | cmon, no helpful people here? |
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| 01:16.29 | gcmalloc | Deele, do you already have a system running ? |
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| 01:16.44 | Deele | yes, server is right next to me |
| 01:17.00 | Deele | in "Partition disks" section |
| 01:17.33 | Deele | I went to manual section |
| 01:17.33 | gcmalloc | http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/SoftwareRaidRoot |
| 01:17.38 | gcmalloc | that can help |
| 01:17.44 | Deele | set up raid with 4 drives and 0 spares |
| 01:17.58 | Deele | and ended up with #1 3.0TB |
| 01:18.05 | Deele | and dunno what to do next |
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| 01:19.09 | gcmalloc | format the filesystem on top of the new partition ? |
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| 01:19.21 | Deele | gcmalloc, none, I guess |
| 01:19.26 | Deele | I dunno which to choose |
| 01:19.48 | Deele | I need to "Configure the Logical Volume manager" now? |
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| 01:20.00 | witheld | Okay, Ubuntu has a package called libwebkitgtk-1.0-0. It also has a package called libwebkitgtk-3.0. Both of these have the exact same description. The newest version of webkitgtk(according to webkitgtk.org), is 1.11.5. I'm confused. |
| 01:20.09 | witheld | What is the difference between these packages? |
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| 01:20.26 | witheld | Ere |
| 01:20.28 | witheld | Debian |
| 01:20.32 | witheld | Debian does as well |
| 01:20.37 | witheld | Both of you guys have this |
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| 01:20.53 | gcmalloc | Deele, yes, you will agregate the raid disk in this step |
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| 01:21.33 | Deele | gcmalloc, do you know any "best" volume/partition layout for 3TB space? |
| 01:21.45 | Theoden | http://i.imgur.com/Y0jpM6H.png |
| 01:22.13 | gcmalloc | the four disk are "physical volume for raid" ? |
| 01:22.39 | Deele | gcmalloc, how do I know? where to find out? |
| 01:23.26 | Deele | gcmalloc, I guess, in RAID5, one of disks are used for parity or stuff |
| 01:23.57 | Deele | gcmalloc, I just found that one guy suggests RAID5 for 4 drives and are going for it :) |
| 01:23.59 | Deele | http://www.techrepublic.com/forum/questions/55-183003/raid-54-disks-vs-raid-10-with-4-disks |
| 01:24.30 | gcmalloc | I have a 4 bay 3 To disque server as one of my server at home |
| 01:24.36 | Deele | this is my first time installing raid/manual partition |
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| 01:24.51 | gcmalloc | don't worry it will go ok |
| 01:25.59 | Deele | what size of swap or what volumes should I create, which sizes are best suited for virtualization server? |
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| 01:26.49 | JNSamuel | 2u |
| 01:27.05 | rryoumaa | not to hijack your question, but why is swap necessary with large amounts of ram? can you get away with zero swap? |
| 01:27.09 | gcmalloc | there is a rule of thumb that say that you should have twice the ram space as swap |
| 01:27.23 | Deele | I have 16gb ram |
| 01:27.32 | gcmalloc | rryoumaa, then process will bet killed if you happen to run out of ram |
| 01:27.57 | rryoumaa | gcmalloc: figuring that's the risk you take |
| 01:27.57 | Deele | should I create 32GB swap volume? |
| 01:27.59 | rryoumaa | is it ok to have swap as a file, and do it on an encrypted solid state drive? |
| 01:28.24 | rryoumaa | thing is with that much swap on a mechanical driev, wouldn't it take forever to swap in and out? |
| 01:29.22 | gcmalloc | rryoumaa, I promise you that you will see the difference if your computer happens to full all it's ram and swap program that you use :) so yeah |
| 01:30.04 | gcmalloc | Deele, just go for 1 or 2 Go maximum |
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| 01:30.25 | gcmalloc | can someone there confirm ? |
| 01:30.39 | Deele | gcmalloc, ok, then first volume 2GB and set it as swap |
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| 01:31.01 | Deele | and rest of 2,8TB as second volume? |
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| 01:33.43 | gcmalloc | you should have a 9 To virtual drive if you have setup your raid 5 with 4 drive of 3 To |
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| 01:34.19 | Deele | I have 4 drives of 1TB |
| 01:34.51 | gcmalloc | so eveything fine :) |
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| 01:36.36 | Deele | gcmalloc, which journaling fs should I use? |
| 01:36.46 | gcmalloc | go for ext4 |
| 01:37.15 | Towzzer | ext4 is awesome |
| 01:37.34 | Deele | is there a reason I can use for future? why not ext2 ext3 btrfs or others? |
| 01:38.22 | gcmalloc | btrfs is not really stable enough imho for server usage |
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| 01:38.59 | sencha | Why is redrawing of windows SO slow with this ATi 4770 card on Debian -testing? |
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| 01:39.02 | gcmalloc | ext2 isn't journalized |
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| 01:39.17 | sencha | With composite enabled in Xfce's settings, it's fine, but I've not had this issue with _any_ other distros |
| 01:39.57 | Deele | gcmalloc should I change any options for it, like mount point, mount options, reserved blocks or usage type? |
| 01:40.44 | gcmalloc | default should be ok |
| 01:40.50 | gcmalloc | mount point for root is root |
| 01:41.19 | Deele | there is "none" in "mount point" value |
| 01:41.21 | Deele | by default |
| 01:41.38 | gcmalloc | change this to / |
| 01:42.29 | Deele | ok |
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| 01:55.16 | nachos | How do i make nautalis start automatically in xfce |
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| 01:56.29 | sencha | nachos, go into the session and startup settings dialog |
| 01:56.38 | sencha | nachos, you can add it in there on the application autostart tab |
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| 02:12.45 | JNSamuel | offers paid debian users some ganja |
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| 02:13.58 | owen1 | my debian fail to boot - init: line 63: can't open '/scripts/functions'. kernel panic- not syncing: attempt to kill init! |
| 02:14.28 | owen1 | (it happened after electricity failure in my hoem |
| 02:14.29 | owen1 | home |
| 02:15.58 | JNSamuel | reinstall it, the sudden surge would probably have caused your box to lose a few files on sudden poweroff |
| 02:16.02 | KsM | your /etc/inittab is broken? |
| 02:16.12 | JNSamuel | consider investing in a UPS |
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| 02:17.54 | nachos | Hi, is sysctl ipv4...forwarding = 1 enough to relay messages between two nics? |
| 02:18.01 | nachos | or do I need to also add in a firewall rule |
| 02:18.35 | JNSamuel | add to a firewall rule |
| 02:18.39 | owen1 | JNSamuel: KsM before reinstalling, is there a way to figure it out, or at least access my files? |
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| 02:19.06 | Tramp | nachos: if you don't have a firewall set up (debian by default does not have one) you're fine |
| 02:19.08 | JNSamuel | you could use gparted to see if theres damaged sectors, owen1 |
| 02:19.26 | nachos | Tramp: strange, it didnt seem to work untill i enable masqurading. |
| 02:19.39 | owen1 | JNSamuel: ok. do i need a live cd or live - usb ? |
| 02:19.42 | nachos | I must have a firewall. how do i check |
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| 02:21.00 | Tramp | nachos: check the output of iptables-save |
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| 02:21.27 | JNSamuel | owen1: live cd would be beneficial, but if your box supports USB booting.. go ahead and make yourself a liveusb |
| 02:22.02 | owen1 | JNSamuel: so debian or ubuntu should both be fine, right? |
| 02:22.10 | JNSamuel | ? |
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| 02:22.16 | owen1 | JNSamuel: live CD |
| 02:22.21 | owen1 | what OS |
| 02:22.29 | JNSamuel | debian |
| 02:22.44 | owen1 | JNSamuel: ok |
| 02:23.06 | owen1 | JNSamuel: i should also be able to access my files with live CD , right? |
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| 02:23.30 | JNSamuel | sure, aslong as you mount the hdd |
| 02:23.30 | owen1 | JNSamuel: one more thing - what if i see damaged sectors? what's my options? |
| 02:23.57 | JNSamuel | your options are to reinstall the OS |
| 02:24.21 | JNSamuel | or repair it |
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| 02:27.20 | JNSamuel | owen1: if the drive sector damage is bad enough, youll probably have to replace the drive too |
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| 02:28.28 | Tramp | owen1: your error comes from the initrd, so (at least) stuff in /boot is damaged |
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| 02:29.20 | JNSamuel | yeah so try reinstalling the linux kernel |
| 02:29.27 | KsM | uh |
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| 02:29.45 | KsM | it looks like an error in some init file to me |
| 02:29.50 | KsM | ┐('～`；)┌ |
| 02:30.17 | Tramp | KsM: no. It's the init-script from the initrd, as his error says |
| 02:31.03 | Tramp | and in my init-script line 63 is: . /scripts/functions |
| 02:31.07 | Tramp | so it's pretty obvious |
| 02:31.19 | JNSamuel | the sudden powerloss probably caused the file loss or perhaps a damaged hard drive |
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| 02:31.38 | Guest92084 | I need to build and install a tool named lastz. According to installation instructions I need to use 'make' and 'make install' to build the tool. When using 'make' , i get error make: *** [lastz.o] Error 1 Any ideas on what can be done? |
| 02:32.00 | lennox | can anyone recommend a good program for generating random passwords for new users? |
| 02:32.19 | JNSamuel | Guest92084: can you be more specific? show me lastz.c |
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| 02:33.02 | JNSamuel | Guest92084: http://phpaste.sourceforge.net/demo/ |
| 02:33.32 | Tramp | lennox: randomstring() { LC_CTYPE=C tr -dc '[:print:]' < /dev/urandom | dd bs="${1:-16}" count=1 2>/dev/null; echo; } # usage: var=$(randomstring [LENGTH]) |
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| 02:34.02 | JNSamuel | lennox: mkpasswd.net |
| 02:34.05 | Tramp | lennox: erplace [:print:] with something else, if you don't like it to be all printables |
| 02:34.26 | Tramp | lennox: that's bash, btw. |
| 02:34.36 | lennox | which one would you guys recommend? |
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| 02:36.08 | lennox | havent ran server in a while, looking for whats best i guess |
| 02:36.52 | Guest92084 | JNSamuel, I am not familiar with pasting. Do I write your name under Name?title and submit? |
| 02:37.13 | JNSamuel | just paste it on there and give me the link |
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| 02:37.47 | JNSamuel | eg; http://phpaste.sourceforge.net/demo/?show=pastenum |
| 02:37.59 | Guest92084 | JNSamuel, http://phpaste.sourceforge.net/demo/index.php?show=54402 |
| 02:38.37 | JNSamuel | there should be a file named lastz.c, the file you're trying to compile |
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| 02:39.11 | monttyle | Is there a way to give one internet connection priority in /etc/network/interfaces ? |
| 02:40.00 | JNSamuel | like http traffic ? |
| 02:40.05 | dioz | what do you mean "priority" ? |
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| 02:40.37 | monttyle | Well, I have two default gateways listed, and the first doesn't work, causing it to have no connection instead of using the good one. |
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| 02:40.53 | nachos | I need to enable NAT to get packet forwarding going even though I've setup a static route for my virtual nic on my router?? |
| 02:41.08 | dioz | how do you have two default gateways? |
| 02:41.15 | JNSamuel | monttyle: then remove one of the gateways |
| 02:41.19 | nachos | Basically, I want to route from a virtual interface on my wheezy box out to the internet |
| 02:41.21 | kickbackdiode | im running squeeze, and i havent used this computer in months, and now gnome wont start as usual, i get TWM instead and i get to start nautilus and the file browser manually |
| 02:41.24 | JNSamuel | you shouldnt be having 2 gateways |
| 02:41.25 | kickbackdiode | how do i fix this? |
| 02:41.31 | monttyle | Two network connections set up in interfaces. |
| 02:41.36 | dioz | do you know what he word DEFAULT means? |
| 02:41.42 | dioz | and if so how can you have 2 x defaults |
| 02:41.46 | monttyle | JNSamuel: But then it won't work when I DO need it. |
| 02:41.57 | kickbackdiode | i had a stroke, and i feel i lost some knowledge on how to use my computer |
| 02:42.03 | JNSamuel | monttyle: route -n |
| 02:42.17 | JNSamuel | http://phpaste.sourceforge.net/demo |
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| 02:42.38 | dioz | kickbackdiode: /etc/init.d/gdm3 start |
| 02:42.52 | monttyle | First relevant line 0.0.0.0 192.168.0.1 0.0.0.0 UG 0 0 0 usb0, second relevant line 0.0.0.0 142.165.8.1 0.0.0.0 UG 0 0 0 wlan0 |
| 02:43.14 | Guest92084 | JNSamuel, lastz.c is one of the files in src subdirectory , it is an executable |
| 02:43.30 | JNSamuel | lastz.c is a code file :S |
| 02:43.55 | JNSamuel | lastz.o would be the executable you're going to turn lastz.c into upon compiling |
| 02:44.01 | kickbackdiode | dioz: that didnt do it, instead it sent me back to console, but it froze with only the prompt on |
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| 02:44.45 | monttyle | So, if I shouldn't be using two gateways, how can I gateway it through 0.1 without a gateway... |
| 02:44.54 | Guest92084 | JNSamuel, OK I know close to zero about all that, the file is big , I will paste it |
| 02:45.39 | kickbackdiode | dioz: sorry, i ment i used restart, but just 'start' tells me it starting but nothing happens |
| 02:46.01 | kickbackdiode | i do get a gui, its just witin twm |
| 02:46.06 | JNSamuel | have you tried changing TTYs ? |
| 02:46.18 | Guest92084 | JNSamuel, http://phpaste.sourceforge.net/demo/index.php?show=54403 |
| 02:46.53 | monttyle | Is there a way to give one internet connection priority in /etc/network/interfaces ? |
| 02:47.51 | kickbackdiode | JNSamuel: how to i change TTY? :) |
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| 02:49.41 | JNSamuel | alt + f1, alt+f2 etc |
| 02:49.48 | JNSamuel | keep trying that til the GUI shows up |
| 02:50.19 | JNSamuel | Guest92084: could you repaste that and select "C" as a language, finding it hard to find the line you're getting errors from |
| 02:50.48 | JNSamuel | nvm i done it myself :P |
| 02:51.55 | JNSamuel | Guest92084: hmm, im not sure. try ##c |
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| 02:52.07 | JNSamuel | sorry |
| 02:52.22 | monttyle | What if I bridged the two devices? |
| 02:52.29 | JNSamuel | monttyle: that would work |
| 02:52.56 | JNSamuel | i was worried you didnt know how to do that |
| 02:53.07 | monttyle | Oh, I've done bridges before. Don't know why it didn't occur to me really. |
| 02:53.18 | Guest92084 | JNSamuel, where do I choose "C" as language? |
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| 02:53.39 | kickbackdiode | just to be clear, i do get a gui, its just that i get a plain tab window manager |
| 02:53.49 | JNSamuel | hmm |
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| 02:54.20 | kickbackdiode | i would just reinstall, but i have no internet connection on that machine |
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| 02:54.38 | JNSamuel | kickbackdiode: my bet is you probably need to install a window manager |
| 02:54.43 | Yetanotherx | Hi all, I'm using UNetBootin to install Debian. I've installed the system, but it appears to be installing the GRUB menu to the flash drive itself. The Debian install is on the hard drive in the computer, but GRUB itself is in the flash drive. Without the drive plugged in, loading the computer simply shows the blinking cursor of death. With it plugged in, I get a working install. Anyone know how to set GRUB to install on the hard drive? |
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| 02:55.20 | JNSamuel | apt-get install grub |
| 02:56.03 | kickbackdiode | i mean, nautillus is there, but it dosnt start automatically, and when i launch it its only windowed |
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| 02:57.10 | Guest92084 | JNSamuel, I open lastz.c with gedit and the choice for character encoding is UTF-8, I do not see any choice for C |
| 02:57.27 | phix | but seriously if you want to use Debian as a "desktop" I recommend mint or ubuntu |
| 02:57.57 | phix | They are more refined and contain later releases of software (plus they are updated more often than debian) |
| 02:58.26 | JNSamuel | yeah debian is really good for use as a server. |
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| 02:58.57 | phix | correct, I use debian for my server, I have XFCE on it though for something light weight, but that is to manage virtual machines, not anything really desktoppy ;) |
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| 02:59.39 | JNSamuel | :) |
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| 03:02.40 | kickbackdiode | i'm just trying to get nautilus to autostart |
| 03:03.20 | kickbackdiode | i dont need to be told to use ubuntu, thank you :) |
| 03:03.58 | Guest92084 | JNSamuel, thanks for your help |
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| 03:07.55 | monttyle | how do I use network sub-devices in /etc/network/interfaces ? Can I just specify them like eth0:1 as usual, or does it expect something different? |
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| 03:10.34 | phix | monttyle: correct |
| 03:10.43 | phix | That is how it is done |
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| 03:10.56 | monttyle | Thanks. |
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| 03:12.26 | rryoumaa | can somebody explain the blinking cursor of death? |
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| 03:13.27 | JNSamuel | dodgey graphics |
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| 03:16.46 | ctooley | What is the ncurses based network configuration utility for Debian Squeeze? |
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| 03:17.41 | zykotick9 | ctooley: wicd perhaps? |
| 03:17.55 | ctooley | zykotick9 anything else? |
| 03:18.32 | zykotick9 | ctooley: not that i know of. i think N-M has a cli tool, but i'm not familiar with it. |
| 03:20.37 | ctooley | zykotick9, Thanks |
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| 03:24.06 | eltoast | Hi. My sound has stopped working, I think after doing an apt-get upgrade and rebooting a few days later, but I'm not certain. Can anyone help? Here is my mplayer output demonstrating some error messages: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=YfMDLnb2 |
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| 03:26.12 | monttyle | Hmm, 'device or resource busy' is odd, if it didn't see the devices you'd get it using null drivers... |
| 03:26.51 | Yetanotherx | JNSamuel: Okay, I did that, and it's still failing |
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| 03:45.48 | AlexandreMBM | Hello! I want to know about PolicyKit and ConsoleKit. Anyone? |
| 03:48.38 | ZekeS | You want to know WHAT about PolicyKit and ConsoleKit that aren't already answered on freedesktop.org? |
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| 03:53.17 | oppeqq | hola |
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| 03:54.01 | ZekeS | hi |
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| 03:59.20 | AlexandreMBM | ZekeS, sorry lag. |
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| 04:00.24 | AlexandreMBM | ZekeS, I want to configure to CDROM mounted be listed as device on Brasero when I am using a remote session via XDMCP. |
| 04:01.23 | AlexandreMBM | ZekeS, I don't found PolicyKit actions and ConsoleKit rules descriptions. |
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| 04:04.35 | ZekeS | There might be a usable example in {/etc,/usr/share}/polkit-1 |
| 04:04.50 | AlexandreMBM | ZekeS, I know which action take to edit for auto mounting internal devices by Nautilus. |
| 04:05.43 | AlexandreMBM | I edited this and it worked. |
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| 04:06.57 | ZekeS | Did you check `man 8 polkit`? (and if it works already, yay!) |
| 04:07.36 | AlexandreMBM | CDROMs are mounted also. But in the Brasero, on remote session (at notebook via XDMCP), they are not listed as devices. |
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| 04:09.07 | KittyPaws | AlexandreMBM: O.o |
| 04:09.27 | AlexandreMBM | KittyPaws, hi? |
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| 04:09.34 | KittyPaws | AlexandreMBM: heyy hun :3 |
| 04:10.40 | sencha | I'm running Debian testing on two computers. I installed one with vino (VNC server) and Remmina (VNC client) on the other... however, when I try to connect, vino-server crashes |
| 04:10.48 | AlexandreMBM | KittyPaws, I don't understand. I am braziliam. "I don't speak english". I speak portuguese. |
| 04:10.53 | sencha | [xcb] Unknown sequence number while processing queue |
| 04:12.13 | AlexandreMBM | ZekeS, action org.freedesktop.udisks.inhibit-polling? |
| 04:12.33 | ZekeS | no idea which one you want - I've never tried to remote-use brasero :| |
| 04:12.35 | ZekeS | sry |
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| 04:14.21 | AlexandreMBM | ZekeS, I think it is a matter of discovering what policykit actions are used by Brasero. |
| 04:14.37 | monttyle | The 'bridge' module isn't loading on boot, I'm guessing this is why its' not creating the bridge I have in /etc/network/interfaces, how do I make it autoload on boot? |
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| 04:17.03 | AlexandreMBM | Brasero logs? |
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| 04:17.31 | KittyPaws | AlexandreMBM: ... |
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| 04:18.26 | LtL | monttyle: add to /etc/modules |
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| 04:28.44 | monttyle | This doesn't create the bridge on boot, any clues? http://burningsmell.org/interfaces.txt |
| 04:29.56 | monttyle | and yes, I did get the bridge module autoloading. |
| 04:30.40 | Gm4n | is there any reason my authenticated smtp (postfix/sasl/mysql) would stop working after a recent update? |
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| 04:31.03 | monttyle | what did you update? |
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| 04:34.04 | Gm4n | monttyle: not even sure, I just notice that it's not working anymore - and I'm having a hard time debugging |
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| 04:34.32 | Gm4n | seems to work fine when I test with testsaslauthd -u myuser -p mypass -f /var/spool/postfix/var/run/saslauthd/mux -s smtp, but that's about it |
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| 04:41.53 | StrangeCharm | When there are multiple sources for the same package name (different versions), how do I choose which one gets installed? |
| 04:41.53 | monttyle | Does anything look wrong with this config? http://burningsmell.org/interfaces.txt |
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| 04:50.09 | monttyle | Any particular reason a system might not create a bridge given in /etc/network/interfaces on boot? |
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| 04:54.11 | Wuq | hello Deb-ites |
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| 04:54.45 | JNSamuel | hmm, its not good pasting a mysql database in phpmyadmin's table query |
| 04:54.51 | JNSamuel | especially if its very big |
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| 04:56.17 | monttyle | Does anything look wrong with this config? http://burningsmell.org/interfaces.txt |
| 04:58.16 | Rusty1 | there is a ##networking channel |
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| 04:59.29 | Wuq | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:59.40 | monttyle | Thought it was for networking, not linux config files |
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| 05:00.11 | Rusty1 | ask there or wait here , up to you |
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| 05:00.39 | sencha | Wuq, are you sure it even works? I'd test with a live cd (or any other distro) before I'd go to the headache of seeing if it's something related to antix |
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| 05:02.03 | Wuq | hm, interesting point sencha. I have not been able to get very many distro's to run properly on my machine. I was super happy when antix worked smoothly. What distro would you recommend me trying to liveboot |
| 05:02.05 | sencha | Wuq, on second thought, if the live cd even boots up, then it works :) |
| 05:02.25 | Wuq | ah, ive been using live usb's to install on this machine |
| 05:02.57 | Wuq | but hold up, let me try a live boot right now with Yellowdoglinux. i got that lying around on a cd |
| 05:03.17 | sencha | Wuq, well, I guess the easiest thing would be to see if anything happens in /var/log/messages when you insert a cd in antix |
| 05:03.30 | sencha | Wuq, tail -f /var/log/messages (and then insert a cd and see if anything pops up) |
| 05:03.44 | DrakkenWarr | Wuq, what mac are you trying to install linux on? |
| 05:05.11 | sencha | Wuq, or just check the end of dmesg when you insert a cd.. something should pop up (if it's working correctly) |
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| 05:07.30 | Wuq | ok, well i just restarted and tried to boot my PLOP boot CD but the drive wasnt recognized |
| 05:07.53 | sencha | "drive wasn't recognized" a.k.a. it didn't even acknowledge a cd drive? |
| 05:07.57 | Wuq | ok sencha, so you mea for me to try and type "-f /var/log/messages" into the terminal and then insert the cd |
| 05:08.27 | Wuq | yes, i disabled other boot options and left only cd drive. i was told there is nothign to boot and was pushed back to the bios |
| 05:08.52 | sencha | well, sounds like it could be a hardware issue then? |
| 05:09.19 | sencha | I dunno |
| 05:09.32 | sencha | go ahead and check the ends of /var/log/messages and dmesg when you insert a cd though |
| 05:09.35 | Wuq | so frustrating, i ordered this piece from singapore. so hard to find good replacment parts for such an old laptop |
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| 05:10.07 | Wuq | sorry, can you explain /var/log/messages? i am a bit newb to linux |
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| 05:10.21 | Wuq | you mean i go to that place in my file manager? |
| 05:10.27 | Wuq | or type that in somewhere? |
| 05:10.29 | sencha | Wuq, it's okay, just open a terminal |
| 05:10.44 | Wuq | ok |
| 05:10.53 | sencha | Wuq, insert a cd |
| 05:11.03 | Wuq | ok |
| 05:11.05 | sencha | Wuq, and then type: cat /var/log/messages |
| 05:11.09 | Wuq | got the PLOP boot in there |
| 05:11.29 | Wuq | permission denied |
| 05:11.35 | sencha | oh lol |
| 05:11.39 | sencha | su first |
| 05:11.43 | Wuq | oops |
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| 05:12.27 | Wuq | says "no passwrd entry for user "cat" |
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| 05:12.47 | sencha | oh, sorry Wuq, I didn't realize you were completely new to the terminal as well |
| 05:12.53 | sencha | Wuq, type su on a line of its own, and press enter |
| 05:13.09 | sencha | it'll ask for your password, put it in |
| 05:13.13 | rryoumaa | if i set xorg dpi to 192 or 300 or so, will most applications comply well? |
| 05:13.14 | sencha | (root password, that is) |
| 05:13.46 | Wuq | ah! very sorry i just got a dramatic call from girlfriend. thank you so much for helping. can i just leave computer for 5 minutes |
| 05:14.16 | sencha | Wuq, haha, sure :) |
| 05:14.22 | sencha | Wuq, hope everything's okay with the gf :P |
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| 05:21.41 | RoenieLap | can i just leave computer for 5 minutes <-- famous last words |
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| 05:23.50 | peterrooney | Just like "I'll play just one more turn of Civilization." |
| 05:27.34 | Gumby | hi all. I'm trying to figure out what packages contains the command "sdptool". packages.debian.org says the package "bluez" does for debian squeeze. I am running squeeze and have the bluez package installed, yet I have no sdptool command. Am I brain dead tonight or is something screwy here? |
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| 05:28.24 | Gumby | (or perhaps both) |
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| 05:34.23 | LtL | Gumby: it's not here -> /usr/bin/sdptool ? |
| 05:35.53 | Gumby | LtL: I think (know) that the former is the issue tonigh |
| 05:35.57 | Gumby | t |
| 05:36.23 | Gumby | (brain dead) |
| 05:36.31 | LtL | I must have missed something then |
| 05:36.38 | Gumby | so did I :) |
| 05:37.57 | LtL | Gumby: it does say its in bluez | bluez: /usr/bin/sdptool |
| 05:38.34 | Gumby | LtL: yes, I know. I somehow managed to miss it and then went off on a tangent trying to find it and everything pointed to the fact that I should already have it |
| 05:38.43 | Gumby | well, it turns out I do already have it :| |
| 05:38.55 | LtL | Gumby: ah, yeah i do it all the time |
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| 06:00.00 | Yakko | hey guys, I'm running a process right now, how can I tell linux to store all the output inside a log file? I see I need to use << or something |
| 06:00.03 | Yakko | help =) |
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| 06:02.54 | LtL | Yakko: >> outputfile = appends to output file, or > file. one redirect > will overwrite, two appends to existing file |
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| 06:04.14 | Yakko | command = a.log //appends |
| 06:04.16 | LtL | Yakko: try googling bash redirection |
| 06:04.42 | Yakko | oh, > and = are the same |
| 06:04.55 | Yakko | so one should clear the file and start writing |
| 06:05.04 | LtL | Yakko: forget the equal not, not relevant |
| 06:05.05 | Yakko | two should append if existing |
| 06:05.20 | Yakko | and it's called bash redirection |
| 06:05.25 | LtL | Yakko: one writes to file, two appends |
| 06:05.26 | Yakko | did I get it right? |
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| 06:06.39 | LtL | Yakko: if a file exists and you output with one '>' to the same file its over written, two >> will append to the existing file |
| 06:06.42 | Yakko | LtL: is that like the super correct way to do it? |
| 06:06.55 | Yakko | or is it the hackish and ugly way nobody recommends? |
| 06:07.16 | LtL | Yakko: i don't know what you're doing but i assure you that works. |
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| 06:08.45 | Yakko | I'm writing a log for my beanstalkd client in ruby |
| 06:09.04 | Yakko | but it needs logs you know =D |
| 06:09.20 | LtL | Yakko: http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Bash-Prog-Intro-HOWTO-3.html |
| 06:09.43 | Yakko | LtL: oh nice, thanks |
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| 06:10.00 | Yakko | so... I was going to use a ruby gem to do the daemon for me |
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| 06:10.27 | Yakko | but looking at the whole picture, I'm considering creating an init.d script and operate it as a service |
| 06:10.32 | Yakko | what do you think? |
| 06:11.28 | LtL | Yakko: i'm can't say, don't use ruby. |
| 06:11.44 | Yakko | LtL: well, do you like init scripts? |
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| 06:12.03 | Yakko | it's just been feeling more right you know =) |
| 06:12.18 | LtL | Yakko: i don't write them, but i'm familiar with them. |
| 06:12.33 | Yakko | I was born in windows =/ |
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| 06:13.07 | Yakko | I've been a newbie at setting up my own servers for quite a while |
| 06:13.20 | Yakko | so stuff has been making more and more sense lately =) |
| 06:14.52 | RoenieLap | always good to be able to slap some sense into people |
| 06:14.53 | LtL | Yakko: you want to look into sysvinit |
| 06:16.52 | RoenieLap | so annoying, i made a dd backup just in case my new partition-to-file tool of choice fails to actually restore the image |
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| 06:17.25 | RoenieLap | tried to tar the dd file and that somehow made it 45 bytes in size |
| 06:17.40 | RoenieLap | so dd-ing again.. Zzzz |
| 06:18.05 | RoenieLap | (i don't think tar is THAT good) |
| 06:18.36 | Yakko | well, I really gotta go to bed |
| 06:18.44 | Yakko | LtL: thank you for your help man |
| 06:18.50 | RoenieLap | 7am there too eh |
| 06:18.52 | Yakko | I didn't know how to name that stuff =) |
| 06:19.46 | LtL | Yakko: welcome |
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| 06:23.10 | Wuq | hey, sencha, you still there? |
| 06:23.38 | Wuq | sorry that I was gone for so long |
| 06:25.53 | TriJetScud | hey does anyone happen to know what files are inside the debian 6 dvd iso images? |
| 06:26.09 | TriJetScud | more like, what packages are inside of those DVD ISO images? |
| 06:26.14 | sencha | Wuq, yup, still here |
| 06:26.24 | sencha | Wuq, longest 5 minutes ever :P |
| 06:26.41 | Wuq | yeah, her phoen conversations always take ages |
| 06:27.21 | Wuq | anyway, she feels better now so all is good. |
| 06:27.39 | Wuq | I did the stuff you suggested and got a log |
| 06:27.51 | TriJetScud | nvm found my answer on the faq |
| 06:28.21 | Wuq | the log farthest to the bottom is the most recent activity right? I dont see my cdrom drive registering |
| 06:28.33 | sencha | Wuq, check dmesg as well |
| 06:28.41 | sencha | Wuq, just run: dmesg |
| 06:28.48 | Wuq | but, when i open and close the drive it acts like something is happening |
| 06:28.52 | Wuq | ok, doing that now |
| 06:29.26 | Wuq | ok, how to do i read tyhis information |
| 06:30.03 | sencha | Wuq, well, for example, when I put a cd in, I see this at the bottom of dmesg: |
| 06:30.07 | sencha | [27368.457250] ISO 9660 Extensions: Microsoft Joliet Level 3 |
| 06:30.07 | sencha | [27368.498717] ISO 9660 Extensions: RRIP_1991A |
| 06:30.25 | Wuq | let me try another cd |
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| 06:30.35 | sencha | Wuq, why not just get a newer laptop? |
| 06:30.52 | sencha | Wuq, I bought a used thinkpad on ebay for like $110, and it's decent |
| 06:31.23 | Wuq | ah, it has sentimental value. Its kind of like a pet project. I want to get all the parts working smooth again. |
| 06:31.31 | sencha | ah :) |
| 06:31.47 | Wuq | I actually have a newer laptop. but also, its a way for me to learn linux while reviving it |
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| 06:34.04 | Wuq | ok, i am pretty sure that nothing is happening. the dmesg farthest at the bottom has not changed and i keep puttign different CDs in and out |
| 06:34.31 | Wuq | do you think it is the distro or the hardware. I mean, what exactly are dmesg? |
| 06:34.39 | sencha | Wuq, do you run dmesg each time you put a cd in? |
| 06:34.51 | Wuq | yes |
| 06:35.09 | sencha | dmesg - print or control the kernel ring buffer |
| 06:35.25 | Wuq | d=diagnostic? |
| 06:35.35 | Wuq | d=distro? |
| 06:35.37 | sencha | I don't know |
| 06:35.42 | Wuq | ah, cool |
| 06:35.51 | sencha | I've been using linux for 10 years, and I don't know everything, haha |
| 06:35.52 | sencha | :( |
| 06:36.05 | Wuq | yeah, im just tryign to pick things up as i go along |
| 06:36.26 | sencha | Wuq, hmm, try this: eject /dev/cdrom |
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| 06:36.48 | Wuq | oh! that worked |
| 06:37.08 | Wuq | so thats a good sign right? |
| 06:37.12 | sencha | yeah |
| 06:37.17 | sencha | see if you can mount a cd now |
| 06:37.19 | sencha | like: |
| 06:37.23 | sencha | mount /dev/cdrom /mnt |
| 06:37.33 | Wuq | what does that mean? mount? |
| 06:37.50 | Wuq | do i just type it? like installing the hardware |
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| 06:38.13 | sencha | Wuq, in linux, you have to 'mount' a filesystem in order to browse its contents |
| 06:38.28 | Wuq | oh, ok i got you |
| 06:38.37 | sencha | if all goes well, then the files on the cd should appear in /mnt then |
| 06:38.44 | sencha | so just try this: |
| 06:38.47 | sencha | mount /dev/cdrom /mnt |
| 06:38.49 | sencha | ls /mnt |
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| 06:39.49 | Wuq | says no medium found on /dev/sr0 |
| 06:39.55 | Wuq | maybe i try another cd? |
| 06:40.47 | LtL | Wuq: try 'ls /media/' |
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| 06:41.09 | LtL | it may automount |
| 06:41.35 | Wuq | that gives me cdrom sda1 sdb1 |
| 06:41.55 | LtL | Wuq: do ls -l /media/ |
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| 06:42.19 | Wuq | same, it put them in a list |
| 06:42.39 | LtL | Wuq: type mount see a cd |
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| 06:43.06 | Wuq | literally? "mount see a cd" |
| 06:43.17 | sencha | LtL, if it says no medium found, I doubt it's mounted |
| 06:43.30 | sencha | Wuq, he means to just type 'mount' and see if there's a cd listed in the output |
| 06:43.40 | LtL | Wuq: no, the mount command will tell you anything mounted |
| 06:44.14 | Wuq | oh, i cant really read the output info clearly |
| 06:44.23 | Wuq | i see it gave me info on a bunch of mounted stuff |
| 06:44.26 | LtL | sencha: probably not, no media in /mnt/ anyway |
| 06:44.57 | sencha | Wuq, try a different cd maybe? |
| 06:44.57 | Wuq | so, i can eject CDs but the drive isnt mounted? what does that mean |
| 06:45.01 | sencha | make sure it's a data cd and not an audio cd |
| 06:45.02 | Wuq | oh, ok |
| 06:45.04 | Wuq | one sec |
| 06:46.15 | Wuq | ok, i got this old cd that says resume files. i actually dont kwno whats on it |
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| 06:47.07 | Wuq | when i type "mount /dev/cdrom /mnt it still tells me "mount: no medium found on /dev/sr0" |
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| 06:48.39 | sencha | Wuq, I don't really know what to tell you :/ |
| 06:48.43 | Wuq | how woudl i try to access audio files? |
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| 06:49.06 | Wuq | hm, so basically, it shoudl really just work? I shoudlnt need to installd rivers or anythign like that? |
| 06:49.15 | Wuq | drivers* |
| 06:49.20 | sencha | Wuq, put an audio disc and run a music player or whatever |
| 06:49.22 | LtL | Wuq: put in a data cd and type ls -l /media/cdrom/ |
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| 06:49.41 | LtL | it may have automount installed, i always do |
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| 06:50.11 | sencha | Wuq, at this point, I'd try a different distro on a live USB |
| 06:50.35 | sencha | I'm not sure if antix is missing something regarding the cd |
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| 06:52.07 | Wuq | you have any good distro ideas? something very light for an old computer? I already tried Bodhi Lubuntu and a few others. I have had troubel with many of them recognizing my video card. Antix is the first oen that easly let me install the video drivers |
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| 06:53.48 | sencha | Wuq, crunchbang? |
| 06:54.09 | Wuq | i guess I coudl try that again. I think I tried that one also though |
| 06:54.15 | sencha | Wuq, what video card do you have? |
| 06:55.34 | allorder | Wuq: try http://antix.mepis.org/ maybe |
| 06:56.21 | Wuq | nvidia geforce2 go |
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| 06:57.28 | Wuq | allorder, thanks, I have been over there but might check again |
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| 06:58.53 | Wuq | i think i might see if I can get Crunchbang working. That looks like it woudl be a fun distro |
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| 07:01.48 | Wuq | hey, just want to thank you guys for takign the time to try and help me out - sencha, allorder, LtL |
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| 07:04.57 | JNSamuel | l |
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| 08:04.29 | schmodd | hi, where is the config file for rpcbind located? i want to limit port 111 access to local network. |
| 08:04.50 | KittyPaws | :/ |
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| 08:04.54 | KittyPaws | schmodd: :/ |
| 08:05.02 | schmodd | ? |
| 08:05.16 | schmodd | or what is the proper way to secure port 111? |
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| 08:08.18 | KittyPaws | :o |
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| 08:09.18 | schmodd | miau |
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| 08:10.35 | KittyPaws | schmodd: huh? |
| 08:11.28 | schmodd | KittyPaws, im just trying to communicate on your level |
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| 08:12.43 | KittyPaws | is listening to Hot Chocolate - You Sexy Thing |
| 08:12.46 | KittyPaws | schmodd: okies |
| 08:12.48 | KittyPaws | idk |
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| 08:15.09 | ChrisH | schmodd: using rpcbind and secure in the same sentence gets me a smile on the face and I do like rpc protocolls like nfs and Co :) |
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| 08:16.00 | ChrisH | schmodd: man portmap will answer your question |
| 08:16.02 | schmodd | im not an expierenced user, im just trying to think about securing my basic debian install |
| 08:16.11 | jelly-home | schmodd: rpcbind has tcp_wrappers support in Debian, so at the very least you can edit /etc/hosts.{allow,deny} files |
| 08:16.20 | schmodd | i googled portmap and rpcbind ... but portmap seems to be obsolete |
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| 08:16.57 | ChrisH | schmodd: portmap and rpcbind is the same thing in UNIX world. |
| 08:16.59 | jelly-home | schmodd: if you do not use NFS or any other RPC based service, you can remove rpcbind |
| 08:17.20 | tscudi | !dpkg bdo kernel |
| 08:17.21 | dpkg | Newer kernels for Debian stable releases are at backports.debian.org. Ask me about <bdo> to modify your sources.list, then run «aptitude update». To install the current bdo kernel «aptitude -t squeeze-backports install linux-image-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'`». To list available backported kernel image packages: «aptitude search '?narrow(~nlinux-image,?origin(Debian Backports))'». |
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| 08:17.36 | jelly-home | ChrisH: in this context, it refers to two different implementations |
| 08:17.37 | ChrisH | schmodd: run rpcinfo -p and paste the output to paste.debian.net |
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| 08:18.18 | scarrz | greets |
| 08:18.23 | KittyPaws | :/ |
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| 08:18.47 | schmodd | done -> http://paste.debian.net/236172 |
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| 08:19.17 | ChrisH | jelly-home: portmap is the process and the API is rpcbind. |
| 08:19.47 | jelly-home | ChrisH: actually. root 2948 1 0 Feb18 ? 00:00:00 /sbin/rpcbind -w |
| 08:19.58 | jelly-home | ,v rpcbind |
| 08:19.59 | judd | Package: rpcbind on i386 -- squeeze: 0.2.0-4.1; sid: 0.2.0-8; wheezy: 0.2.0-8 |
| 08:20.10 | scarrz | I need some help please. I am using AVLinux and I am looking to edit/add menu entries for the main panel's menu(s) am using lxde. help? |
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| 08:21.05 | ChrisH | jelly-home: on my squeeze its portmap 1100 daemon 5u IPv4 4770 0t0 TCP *:sunrpc (LISTEN) |
| 08:21.28 | ChrisH | schmodd: you have rpc.statd running. are you using NFS as client? |
| 08:21.40 | schmodd | well i read about /etc/default/portmap being a config file where i can limit the service to localhost - unfortunately this config is non existent on my sys (wheezy) |
| 08:22.11 | jelly-home | schmodd: look. If you don't use nfs, just remove rpcbind package. |
| 08:22.18 | jelly-home | problem solved. |
| 08:22.32 | schmodd | i plan on using it - how should i share files between unix machines ? |
| 08:22.56 | tscudi | !msgthebot |
| 08:22.57 | dpkg | Please have conversations with the bots in a private message as much as possible. Instead of using "!topic" or "!tell <your nick> about <topic>" in the channel, you can just "/msg dpkg topic". See <bot help> and http://wiki.debian.org/IRC/DpkgBot to learn more and browse my factoids on-line at http://ircbots.debian.net/ . If you're helping people, you can check that you have the right factoid before showing it to others. |
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| 08:23.59 | jelly-home | tscudi: type "/msg dpkg topic" and look for the private message from the bot in a different irc client tab (or equivalent in your irc client) |
| 08:24.24 | tscudi | Thanks. |
| 08:24.36 | schmodd | ChrisH, rpc.statd is running |
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| 08:25.35 | jelly-home | schmodd: nfs, samba or sshfs are all options depending on the volume and frequency file transfers |
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| 08:26.06 | jelly-home | sshfs is the easiest to bring up but also the slowest |
| 08:26.06 | schmodd | i will have linux and windows clients in my network ... so i think i need samba and nfs |
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| 08:26.30 | jelly-home | schmodd: you can unify them all on samba, then |
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| 08:28.15 | no_gravity | Good Morning from Germany! How would you find the newest 10 files in a directory, including subdirectories? |
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| 08:28.18 | schmodd | hmm .. think i will do that, atleast minimizing services might improve security a little |
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| 08:30.12 | ChrisH | schmodd: Iy you do not use nfs stopp rpc.statd and stop rpcbind |
| 08:30.12 | schmodd | so if i disable rpcbind in sysv-rc-conf that should disable it completly right ? |
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| 08:34.47 | schmodd | i disabled nfs-common and rpcbind via sysv-rc-conf - hope that will disable stuff after restart |
| 08:34.53 | schmodd | thx for your help |
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| 08:53.53 | antgel_ | okay, so this might be a little OT but i will be am looking for a debian-based solution. looking to set up a webapp that will act as a simple business information system. think microsoft access but via the web. want to input a number of "records", each with "attributes", and be able to query the database. anyone willing to recommend some platforms that are easy to use to build something like this? i was thinking some kind of CMS, |
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| 09:05.28 | ChrisH | antgel_: for internal use of friendly users, or for arbitrary users? |
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| 09:06.08 | antgel_ | ChrisH: hi, thanks for answering. it would be for internal use of friendly users |
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| 09:06.18 | antgel_ | well, FSV of "friendly" :P |
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| 09:07.34 | ChrisH | The only idea I currently have, something like mysql studio comes up to my mind. |
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| 09:08.42 | nkuttler | antgel_: sounds like you could use any CRUD framework. can you write and code, and which languages? |
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| 09:10.00 | antgel_ | ChrisH: i'll check it out, i don't know much about it, thanks |
| 09:10.59 | antgel_ | nkuttler: i can indeed, in any language i guess. can also do web frontend stuff. just looking for whatever tools will get me up and running as quickly as possible, without me feeling like i'm having to write the application from scratch |
| 09:12.21 | antgel_ | googles crud framework and sees evolutility |
| 09:12.24 | nkuttler | antgel_: oh well i just like django. with the orm, built-in admin, modelforms, django-tables2 i can basically build such things in a day |
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| 09:14.48 | antgel_ | nkuttler: i remember looking at django in the past. python web app framework, not a cms, right? i'll check out the features you mentioned |
| 09:15.02 | antgel_ | ah. it seems evolutility requires ms sql etc *puke* |
| 09:15.28 | nkuttler | antgel_: it's a framework, but there are CMS-y apps if you need that |
| 09:16.17 | nkuttler | ah, modelforms are only if you need frontend-editable stuff |
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| 09:17.03 | antgel_ | nkuttler: i don't really need a cms. think of the classic access case of a DVD library, with a few queries, data-types etc. graphing would be nice as well e.g. DVDs bought in 2008 |
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| 09:18.46 | nkuttler | antgel_: sounds all easily doable |
| 09:19.16 | nkuttler | antgel_: feel free to ping me in #django if you have questions |
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| 09:25.47 | Flashtek_uk | I installed Apache in Debian stable, using name based vhosts. some of the vhosts works just fine, others aren't. getting 403's, error log shows .htaccess file is trying to be accessed but that file doesn't excist. Ideas appreciated.. |
| 09:26.26 | Flashtek_uk | error in browser is: You don't have permission to access / on this server. |
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| 09:27.29 | Kingsy | guys, I am trying to install a gui for hamachi and it says it needs No package 'notify-sharp' found. I installed it via apt-get, however the ./configure is still complaining its not there.. any advice? |
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| 09:30.08 | Kingsy | echo $NOTIFY_SHARP_CFLAGS returns nothing.. which isnt a good sign |
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| 09:31.45 | chovy | what's a quick way to wipe a drive? I tried the 'wipe' utility, but it said it would take 4 weeks to complete. |
| 09:31.54 | chovy | the drive is 1TB |
| 09:31.58 | Flashtek_uk | chovy: define 'wipe' ? |
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| 09:32.26 | chovy | delete all traces of files on a disk. basically. I'm giving the hd to someone else. |
| 09:32.38 | Flashtek_uk | how much do you trist them ? |
| 09:32.42 | Flashtek_uk | *trust |
| 09:32.44 | chovy | i don't know them |
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| 09:32.58 | Flashtek_uk | how sensitive is the data ? |
| 09:33.00 | chovy | its a dedicated server, that will likely get resold to someone else. |
| 09:33.10 | chovy | somewhat sensitive. |
| 09:33.14 | chovy | personal stuff mainly. |
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| 09:33.27 | chovy | I don't need military grade wipe |
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| 09:33.39 | Flashtek_uk | well, i would take a couple of approaces |
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| 09:33.46 | chovy | i just don't want whoever gets the server next to be able to retrieve any data |
| 09:33.49 | Flashtek_uk | 1, is the 4 week wait worth it ? |
| 09:34.00 | chovy | i only have 2 days before my contract is up, so no. |
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| 09:34.12 | chovy | i was hoping to get something done in a few hours at most. |
| 09:34.13 | Flashtek_uk | or could i just buy a replacement 1tb drive |
| 09:34.26 | chovy | its a server i rented, their hardware. |
| 09:34.42 | chovy | i'm closing my account, so someone else will get it next. |
| 09:34.43 | Flashtek_uk | dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sda bs=1m |
| 09:34.44 | kain88 | chovy: 'wipe -q -Q 1 -R /dev/zero -S r -r $PFAD' this should be enough so that the drive is unreadable and the quickest way I know of |
| 09:35.01 | chovy | what is $PFAD? |
| 09:35.19 | kain88 | your device or folder that you want to have wiped |
| 09:36.01 | chovy | wipe -q -Q 1 -R /dev/zero -S r -r /dev/sda2 |
| 09:36.03 | chovy | like that? |
| 09:36.07 | chovy | it finished right away |
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| 09:36.53 | kain88 | wipe uses the mountpoint you have , the command will write zeros on the drive |
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| 09:37.45 | chovy | that finished in less than 1 second |
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| 09:37.49 | chovy | for a 1TB drive. |
| 09:37.50 | chovy | https://gist.github.com/chovy/15f072ac045cc413c44a |
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| 09:37.59 | chovy | did it run correctly? |
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| 09:39.52 | kain88 | nope it should take longer. but I see know that the command does the same as the dd command that Flashtek_uk postet. |
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| 09:40.56 | crodjer | Is it possible for me to get a linux-image binary of older (experimental) kernel? |
| 09:41.01 | chovy | dd: invalid number `1m' |
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| 09:41.12 | crodjer | Preferably I am looking for this signature: linux-image-3.6-trunk-amd64_3.6.9.1 |
| 09:41.14 | c4pt | hello? |
| 09:41.34 | c4pt | Im using mate + compiz fusion but all of my desktop icons have disappeared |
| 09:42.36 | Kingsy | well I got it working, for anyone that cares. haguichi requires the -dev packages. |
| 09:42.43 | kain88 | chovy: big M |
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| 09:43.13 | r4co0n | chovy, why not use shred? |
| 09:43.54 | r4co0n | chovy, imho u can specify the device as argument, it will destroy the whole fs |
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| 09:44.45 | r4co0n | chovy, if u go the dd way, use /dev/urandom as source and repeat the command like 3 times |
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| 09:46.07 | kain88 | r4co0n: 1 time is enough. there is no hysteresis effect in the new drives afaik. so overwritten ones means its gone for ever |
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| 09:46.54 | bluesm | If I do ls --sort=none |
| 09:47.04 | bluesm | Order is determined by ? |
| 09:47.08 | r4co0n | kain88, chovy, so we could use shred /dev/sda --force --verbose --zero --iterations=1 |
| 09:47.20 | r4co0n | assuming /dev/sda is the drive to be wiped |
| 09:47.24 | bluesm | I mean "it mean order is not determined". But I wonder what is the "default" order |
| 09:47.32 | bluesm | "Disk order"? |
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| 09:48.39 | boudiccas | How can I convert 'man wyrd' into a text document please? |
| 09:48.50 | chovy | r4co0n: the shred looks like its for files. i already re-installed the OS, so files are gone. |
| 09:49.39 | r4co0n | chovy, everything is a file |
| 09:49.45 | homes | r4co0n: might as well just dd bs=32M if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sda |
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| 09:50.52 | r4co0n | homes, but you are assuming no one will try to do hard disk recovery on this drive after it was wiped, aren't you? |
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| 09:55.12 | r4co0n | chovy, from "man 1 shred": Delete FILE(s) if --remove (-u) is specified. The default is not to remove the files because it is common to operate on device files like /dev/hda, and those files usually should not be removed. |
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| 09:57.22 | nkuttler | boudiccas: for printing? |
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| 09:58.03 | nkuttler | boudiccas: fwiw, man man |
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| 09:58.26 | boudiccas | nkuttler: no, for ease of looking up things in a personal wiki |
| 09:58.42 | boudiccas | nkuttler: yes, trying that atm |
| 09:59.25 | KittyPaws | :/ |
| 09:59.42 | KittyPaws | I wish you'd go away already and stop talking! |
| 09:59.44 | r4co0n | boudiccas, man keyword > ~/mymanpage.txt - will create txtfile in your home directory |
| 10:00.22 | boudiccas | r4co0n: thanks, i'll give it a whirl |
| 10:00.28 | nkuttler | boudiccas: a quick apt search leads to troffcvt - Converts troff source to HTML, RTF, and plain text |
| 10:00.52 | boudiccas | nkuttler: ah, even better,thanks. |
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| 10:01.09 | Aktau | Good morning guys |
| 10:01.33 | Aktau | I'm currently playing with another box I received today, and it has an i3/intel hd4000 combo |
| 10:01.47 | KittyPaws | Be quiet! |
| 10:01.57 | chovy | r4co0n: thanks, but i get this error: error writing at offset 245760: Invalid argument |
| 10:02.05 | Aktau | This is not-so-old hardware and the current intel drivers seem to not do the job so well |
| 10:02.12 | Aktau | I'd like to try some newer stuff |
| 10:02.26 | Aktau | Is there any debian-recommended way to try newer intel drivers? |
| 10:02.46 | Aktau | Or: what would cause me least headaches and allow to revert if all goes wrong, which it will |
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| 10:03.11 | r4co0n | chovy, no clue, it worked for me: you ran for example "man man > ~/mytext.txt" |
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| 10:05.08 | r4co0n | Aktau, try a newer kernel from debian backports repository? |
| 10:05.36 | Aktau | r4co0n: I'm running wheezy, there is no back ports. I suppose from sid? |
| 10:05.59 | Aktau | r4co0n: also I tried installing a newer kernel on squeeze from squeeze-backports once, but it doesn't upgrade the intel drivers with it |
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| 10:08.54 | homes | r4co0n: not really, no, we're quibbling over 1 wipe vs 2 |
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| 10:09.54 | r4co0n | homes, I recovered data that was overwritten. |
| 10:10.12 | r4co0n | homes, years ago, but i suppose it would still work. |
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| 10:10.43 | alami | hello i have mini install debian and now i can't reach ftp.de.debian.de |
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| 10:11.22 | alami | how can i reconfigure my repo |
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| 10:11.49 | r4co0n | homes, I really don't wanna argue over this, I'm just interested in why you seem to know this is not necessary. |
| 10:12.01 | Cavedude | alami: modify /etc/apt/sources.list_bak |
| 10:12.31 | Cavedude | alami: modify /etc/apt/sources.list I mean |
| 10:13.11 | alami | Cavedude: i have the right mirror there |
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| 10:13.19 | alami | http://ftp.de.debian.org |
| 10:14.54 | Cavedude | whats the error message? |
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| 10:16.45 | KittyPaws | gives Cavedude a camel |
| 10:17.18 | Cavedude | can you show us your sources.list as well? |
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| 10:17.42 | alami | i386 packages something wicked happend resolving ftp.de.debian.org:http -5 No adress associated with hostname |
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| 10:18.17 | KittyPaws | gives Cavedude another camel |
| 10:18.21 | KittyPaws | gives Cavedude 50 camels |
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| 10:19.48 | r4co0n | alami, did you try a traceroute to ftp.de.debian.org? If not, I'd do so. |
| 10:20.20 | r4co0n | alami, though it seems the url can not be resolved to an ip |
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| 10:22.36 | r4co0n | alami, if the traceroute failed, can you ping 141.76.2.4? its the ip i got for ftp.de.debian.org |
| 10:22.48 | alami | r4co0n: i see now that i habe two VMs and they have the same ip adress |
| 10:22.58 | alami | ping work |
| 10:23.13 | r4co0n | alami, ping ftp.de.debian.org also? |
| 10:23.20 | alami | but i thing because of the two debian VMs they have they have the same ip |
| 10:23.23 | alami | ping work |
| 10:23.35 | KittyPaws | alami: https://fbcdn-sphotos-a-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/35494_481723711888284_351588209_n.jpg |
| 10:24.06 | alami | lol why this? |
| 10:24.13 | alami | malware? |
| 10:24.22 | KittyPaws | no? |
| 10:24.32 | KittyPaws | does a JPG link look like malware to you?! |
| 10:24.33 | KittyPaws | :/ |
| 10:24.40 | KittyPaws | Just click it and find out! |
| 10:24.43 | KittyPaws | oh I forgot... |
| 10:24.46 | KittyPaws | you use Windows. |
| 10:24.51 | KittyPaws | how typical :/ |
| 10:24.51 | alami | KittyPaws: i can send you a jpg malware if you cant? |
| 10:24.54 | alami | ;) |
| 10:25.05 | alami | never |
| 10:25.12 | KittyPaws | I know |
| 10:25.13 | alami | use windows :) |
| 10:25.42 | babilen | KittyPaws: Stop it, now. |
| 10:25.44 | r4co0n | alami, jpg malware? |
| 10:25.54 | r4co0n | alami, your browser executes pictures? |
| 10:26.03 | ChrisH | I am looking for the google keywords on how to create an encrypted container into an ext-Filesystem. All I found was, setup dm-crypt for lvols/partition. Or do I simply need to do that with a losetup? |
| 10:26.03 | babilen | Lets move on … |
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| 10:26.17 | babilen | ChrisH: ecryptfs? |
| 10:26.48 | KittyPaws | bitch slaps babilen |
| 10:26.50 | KittyPaws | byueeeee |
| 10:26.52 | KittyPaws | gotta go now :£ |
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| 10:27.02 | babilen | indeed |
| 10:27.07 | alami | r4co0n: my Problem is the Vbox dhcp give only the same ipadress |
| 10:27.18 | alami | i tryed dhclient -r dhclient eth0 |
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| 10:27.27 | alami | but i still get the same ip adress |
| 10:27.39 | ChrisH | babilen: looks like that is what I am searching for. |
| 10:27.49 | ectospasm | alami: do they have the same MAC address? |
| 10:27.58 | ectospasm | ChrisH: I use ecryptfs quite often |
| 10:28.21 | alami | ectospasm: nope different mac adress |
| 10:28.48 | ectospasm | alami: how are the IP addresses assigned, DHCP or static? |
| 10:29.01 | ChrisH | alami: do you use NAT or bridged mode? |
| 10:29.05 | alami | ectospasm: dhcp |
| 10:29.05 | babilen | ChrisH: There is also encfs, never used one or the other. But you might want to compare them/look for other alternatives. |
| 10:29.32 | ectospasm | alami: what ChrisH asked: are you in NAT mode, bridged mode, etc...? |
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| 10:29.43 | alami | ectospasm:nat |
| 10:29.59 | ChrisH | alami: in NAT Mode it is OK to have the same IP on all VMs |
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| 10:30.23 | alami | ChrisH: but how can i ssh from one vm to another? |
| 10:31.13 | ChrisH | alami: the same way as you need with your private DSL at home, port forwarding. I normally use bridged and use the "global" dhcp to assign IPs |
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| 10:31.44 | alami | ChrisH: virtual box don't have portforwarding |
| 10:31.46 | alami | :) |
| 10:31.52 | ChrisH | alami: it has |
| 10:31.58 | alami | aha okay |
| 10:32.07 | alami | i will try the bridge |
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| 10:32.43 | alami | thanks |
| 10:32.45 | r4co0n | alami, https://www.virtualbox.org/manual/ch06.html |
| 10:33.23 | alami | r4co0n: i thing because of nat i can't aptitude update |
| 10:34.03 | r4co0n | alami, but other http connections do work? |
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| 10:34.56 | alami | wich other do you mean please? |
| 10:35.08 | r4co0n | like lynx google.com |
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| 10:37.24 | alami | r4co0n: i have a minimal install so no lynx |
| 10:37.29 | alami | no wget |
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| 10:39.05 | Rogach | Hello! I'm trying to build a correct .deb file (so that lintian doesn't complain). I added a "copyright" file into DEBIAN/ directory, but lintian now says: "unknown-control-file copyright". Why is that? |
| 10:39.15 | LinaSovereign | Hey ! |
| 10:39.16 | alami | r4co0n:can that happend because the installed debian is i686 and the mirror is i286 |
| 10:39.20 | alami | r4co0n:can that happend because the installed debian is i686 and the mirror is i386 |
| 10:39.34 | r4co0n | alami, the update error -5 refers to the resolving not working. but you told me resolving does work |
| 10:40.04 | alami | r4co0n: yes ping google.de work |
| 10:40.05 | r4co0n | alami, mirrors are platform agnostic afaik |
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| 10:40.25 | alami | perhaps an ftp problem? |
| 10:40.50 | r4co0n | alami, you got some funny stuff in /etc/resolv.conf(.d/) ? |
| 10:41.18 | alami | r4co0n: like i say i have just installed this debian, i havn't change anything |
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| 10:41.27 | r4co0n | alami, please append your /etc/apt/sources.list(.d) |
| 10:41.32 | alami | i will try to ssh into it |
| 10:41.39 | alami | and paste all config files |
| 10:42.36 | babilen | Rogach: You want #debian-mentors on irc.debian.org (aka irc.oftc.net) |
| 10:42.48 | Rogach | babilen: Thanks! |
| 10:43.28 | r4co0n | alami, the directory for resolv.conf is /etc/resolvconf/ , not resolv.conf.d/ |
| 10:43.32 | babilen | see you there, please also show the contents of you debian/ directory along with lintian's output on http://paste.debian.net |
| 10:43.36 | babilen | Rogach: ^^ |
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| 10:45.11 | Rogach | babilen: Actually, seems I fixed that copyright - it should have been in /usr/share/doc/package/ instead of debian/. But lintian shows 64 other errors, so I'll definitely have more questions :) |
| 10:45.51 | babilen | Rogach: #debian-mentors if the right place for those, don't forget to run lintian with the "-iIE --pedantic" options :) |
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| 10:49.35 | sKeiths | where can I find lenny sources? |
| 10:49.51 | sKeiths | i mean apt/sources.list |
| 10:50.10 | nkuttler | !tell sKeiths about lenny sources.list |
| 10:50.15 | ectospasm | lenny was EOL'd over a year ago |
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| 10:50.44 | sKeiths | ty |
| 10:51.06 | Sm0ke0ut | you've to use the archives if you want to keep using lenny (not recommended) |
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| 10:53.47 | babilen | sKeiths: Update to squeeze /now/ - There really isn't an alternative and you had more than enough time (IMHO) |
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| 10:59.45 | bw_ | i wounder what to does about openvz, since it's deprecated in wheezy and lxc isn't a replacement yet and i really really dislike the idea of installing a redhat kernel |
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| 11:01.14 | ksk | bw_: why that? |
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| 11:01.52 | serverchicken | I'd like to lock out userland commands from a user account only thing they should be allowed to do is start/ stop/ restart a script. Is this possible? |
| 11:02.00 | babilen | bw_: Well, OpenVZ is deprecated. There is nothing that you can do to change that. Why is LXC not a replacement and what about other virtualisation schemes? |
| 11:02.27 | bw_ | ksk: i like to stick with debian kernels, not mix kernel and userland |
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| 11:03.16 | clopez | babilen: LXC is not yet as secure as OpenVZ/Vserver http://mattoncloud.org/2012/07/16/are-lxc-containers-enough/ |
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| 11:03.46 | zenzi1982 | ciao |
| 11:03.49 | zenzi1982 | !list |
| 11:03.49 | dpkg | zenzi1982: È possibile di scaricare un sacco di software libero puntando il tuo browser a http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/multi-arch/iso-cd/debian-6.0.6-amd64-i386-netinst.iso ! |
| 11:04.05 | bw_ | babilen: kvm/xen/.. aren't bad, but with the openvz/lxc the laye is much slimmer, more denstiy and more flexible imho :) |
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| 11:05.27 | phix | openvz? |
| 11:06.03 | phix | I use KVM via libvirt :) |
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| 11:07.13 | babilen | yeah, that's surely an option. And just because there were exploits doesn't mean that the whole project is bad. (I mean we wouldn't use the Kernel if that was the case) |
| 11:07.20 | bw_ | does KVM support changing ram on the fly nowadays? |
| 11:07.22 | phix | yeah but LXC can still access logs from the host kernel, and there are other sections where the seperation just isn't there, it is great for trusted servers, but I wouldnt use it as a hosting infrusture just yet |
| 11:07.32 | phix | bw_: yeah, baloon driver |
| 11:07.45 | phix | needs to be installed in windows guest to make use of it |
| 11:08.10 | bw_ | phix: i'm aming for debian/linux guests only |
| 11:08.45 | phix | bw_: yeah LXC is fine if only trusted users will be using the host and guests :) |
| 11:09.16 | clopez | yes.. giving root to someone on a LXC problem can be a problem for the whole system |
| 11:09.19 | phix | If you are providing a hosted VPS type service to many customers then I wouldnt use it for that |
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| 11:09.46 | phix | XEN or KVM is more suited for that |
| 11:09.47 | clopez | with OpenVZ/Vserver there isn't so much problem |
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| 11:10.02 | phix | isn't VServer a windows thing? |
| 11:10.10 | clopez | vserver is like openvz |
| 11:10.10 | phix | or am I thinking of something else |
| 11:10.24 | bw_ | vserver is like openvz in old;) |
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| 11:10.27 | clopez | http://linux-vserver.org/ |
| 11:10.28 | phix | never used it before, how does it perform and on what OSs does it support (host side that is_) |
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| 11:10.43 | clopez | is a container solution, pretty much like openvz |
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| 11:11.11 | bw_ | phix: well i use openvz for security reasons mostly, every internetfacing daemon gets it's own VPS |
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| 11:12.34 | phix | bw_: hmmmm, I might look into it. Hmmmm looks like I need a custom kernel hey, does it interfere with LXC |
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| 11:12.37 | phix | ? |
| 11:12.40 | phix | or vice versa |
| 11:12.51 | phix | does it integreat with libvirt? |
| 11:13.04 | serverchicken | I got disconnected last. I'd like to lock out some userland commands from a user account only thing they should be allowed to do is start/ stop/ restart a script. Is this possible? |
| 11:13.06 | phix | integrate* |
| 11:13.23 | phix | serverchicken: yes, use sudo |
| 11:13.38 | bw_ | phix: afair it does integrate with libvirt |
| 11:13.50 | bw_ | you need a custom kernel in debian > 6.0 |
| 11:13.56 | serverchicken | phix, thanks m8 |
| 11:14.05 | phix | serverchicken: any time buddy! |
| 11:14.13 | phix | <3 |
| 11:14.28 | ksk | openvz kernel (rhel) runs fine btw ;) |
| 11:14.35 | bw_ | lets hope most of openvz features get in mainline so lxc can be a real replacement :) |
| 11:14.37 | phix | rh :S |
| 11:14.59 | phix | so why lxc is openvz exists? |
| 11:15.04 | phix | s/is/if/ |
| 11:15.21 | ksk | because openvz is not mainline. |
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| 11:16.15 | phix | why not? |
| 11:16.15 | ksk | they push features (checkpoint&restore, ... ) into the kernel now, but as far as i see it you will always need a custom kernel for openvz/parallels |
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| 11:17.05 | phix | hmmm |
| 11:17.08 | phix | I see |
| 11:17.29 | phix | so LXC is reworked openvz to integrate better with the kernel? |
| 11:18.10 | bw_ | exactly, but it's far away from replaceing openvz featurewise |
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| 11:18.34 | phix | openvz have live migration? |
| 11:18.41 | bw_ | yes |
| 11:18.46 | phix | awesome |
| 11:18.53 | phix | KVM has that too right? |
| 11:18.55 | bw_ | (if you run it ontop of lvm) |
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| 11:19.26 | phix | you use LVM to do the migrating? to a remote server or another LV? |
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| 11:19.56 | phix | yeah I use LVM for my KVM / libvirt VMs, I have a nice backup script for it too using snapshots :D |
| 11:19.57 | bw_ | phix: openvz handles the migration, but you i leverage the lvm snapshot feature |
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| 11:20.07 | bw_ | -i |
| 11:20.08 | phix | ah |
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| 11:20.15 | phix | yeah snapshots are awesome |
| 11:20.30 | bw_ | ack :) |
| 11:20.50 | bw_ | ksk: so you're saying RH kernel works well with wheezy? |
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| 11:21.02 | phix | I dont see why it wouldn't |
| 11:21.38 | bw_ | dunno, i have to use some centos boxes at work, and i hate them;) |
| 11:21.45 | phix | The kernel is the same in all distros ;) of course there may be some custom patches but it shouldnt break anything using it in another distro |
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| 11:21.58 | phix | bw_: same, centos is poo, debian all the way |
| 11:22.12 | ectospasm | heheheheh, "centos is poo" |
| 11:22.14 | ectospasm | I concur |
| 11:22.21 | serverchicken | aye |
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| 11:23.48 | ksk | bw_: it does well with squeeze, didnt test with a wheezy host so far |
| 11:24.18 | ectospasm | @np |
| 11:24.28 | ectospasm | er, wrong channel |
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| 11:25.56 | bw_ | ksk: since squeeze has a openvz kernel, so i didn't feel the need for a RH kernel, the interesting part is wheezy imho |
| 11:26.36 | ksk | the one from the debian repos is, to everyones surprise, kinda old and lacks for some features |
| 11:26.55 | bw_ | ksk: i know, but no key features |
| 11:27.03 | ksk | vswap is nice. |
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| 11:28.22 | bw_ | ksk: it's nice for java things especially |
| 11:29.15 | ksk | true that! |
| 11:32.33 | bw_ | ksk: gonna try RH kernel with 7.0 and let's hope lxc is a full replacement when we hit 8.0 :) |
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| 11:35.43 | zenzi1982 | ciao! |
| 11:35.49 | zenzi1982 | !list |
| 11:35.49 | dpkg | zenzi1982: vedi http://packages.debian.org/ |
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| 11:38.42 | phix | vswap? |
| 11:38.56 | phix | I use java things quite alot |
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| 11:39.29 | bw_ | phix: https://openvz.org/VSwap :) |
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| 11:39.43 | bw_ | btw only with the RH kernel |
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| 11:53.40 | Crypticfortune | Ok, doing battle with a Marvel 88SE9123 SATA/RAID controller card. I can boot grub off of it, but after the ahci driver loads I can't see any disk behind it... |
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| 11:55.12 | Crypticfortune | wikipedia notes that the 88SE91xx chipsets "appear supported by the standard AHCI driver, however out of the box is not recognised by the AHCI driver - AHCI driver needs to be taught to be loaded for the relevant PCI vendor and product ID." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Marvell_Technology_Group_chipsets |
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| 11:56.03 | Crypticfortune | and says to echo the PCI id and product ID to /sys/bus/pci/drivers/ahci/new_id, which didn't fail, but also I still can't see my disks in /dev ...? |
| 11:56.38 | Crypticfortune | should they just show up automagically if AHCI is doing its thing properly? or can I force a refresh of /dev disks somehow? |
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| 12:21.32 | HardDisk_WP | how does one set the write block size for cp? |
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| 12:21.40 | HardDisk_WP | or, how does cp detect the write block size? |
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| 12:21.53 | HardDisk_WP | I'm writing a FUSE file system which is network-backed |
| 12:22.03 | HardDisk_WP | naturally, 4K writes on a 6M file... |
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| 12:33.07 | Feigrim | Hello, I was wondering what the accepted syntax is for specifying fonts in .Xresources for rxvt-unicode? Googling I find tons of different variants and none of them have worked for me yet so I want to narrow it down a but |
| 12:33.11 | Feigrim | bit* |
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| 12:37.33 | petn-randall | HardDisk_WP: cp doesn't act on blocks, but on files. It's up to the OS to handle the blocks. |
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| 12:38.11 | Crypticfortune | HardDisk_WP: use dd if you want to specify block sizes |
| 12:38.13 | HardDisk_WP | petn-randall, ok... so how does the kernel determine the block size for the read() and write() syscalls? |
| 12:38.38 | HardDisk_WP | the read() sizes I see are 100K, which isn't perfect but way better than 4K |
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| 12:40.57 | turtle_ | any recommendations for web hosting providers? I require SSH access, access to an database and high availability with enough bandwidth to sustain decent load |
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| 12:41.25 | gyre007 | turtle_: check out https://www.digitalocean.com/pricing |
| 12:41.33 | gyre007 | I came across them couple of weeks ago |
| 12:41.36 | HardDisk_WP | SSH access? if you're in Germany, get the higer priced strato.de packages |
| 12:42.18 | turtle_ | heh |
| 12:42.21 | turtle_ | thanks :) |
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| 12:43.03 | ectospasm | I use edis.at and chunkhost.com |
| 12:43.14 | DanFromGermany | turtle_: server4you.de |
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| 12:43.51 | jnewt | i'm not very used to having a gui, but have gnome now, and when i double click an xml file (calc spreadsheet or writer document), it keeps asking me if i want to run, cancel, run in termial, etc? how do i get it to just open the file? |
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| 12:45.01 | turtle_ | Id prefer to use EC2 but it was way to expensive with the amount of traffic and resources I was consuming |
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| 12:50.06 | Crypticfortune | I'm very sad about my Marvell SATA problems, and things have picked up here, so I'll ask again: |
| 12:50.14 | Crypticfortune | Ok, doing battle with a Marvel 88SE9123 SATA/RAID controller card. I can boot grub off of it, but after the ahci driver loads I can't see any disk behind it... |
| 12:50.30 | Crypticfortune | wikipedia notes that the 88SE91xx chipsets "appear supported by the standard AHCI driver, however out of the box is not recognised by the AHCI driver - AHCI driver needs to be taught to be loaded for the relevant PCI vendor and product ID." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Marvell_Technology_Group_chipsets |
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| 12:50.55 | Crypticfortune | and says to echo the PCI id and product ID to /sys/bus/pci/drivers/ahci/new_id, which didn't fail, but also I still can't see my disks in /dev and no new messages in dmesg...? |
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| 12:52.28 | n3rV3 | Crypticfortune, i am taking a wild guess here but would partprobe help? |
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| 12:53.42 | Crypticfortune | n3rV3: sadly no =( |
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| 12:58.23 | n3rV3 | Crypticfortune, i am out of ideas |
| 12:58.47 | Crypticfortune | n3rV3: me too =( |
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| 13:07.34 | DummyMode | good morning |
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| 13:09.46 | n3rV3 | gm |
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| 13:17.15 | DotHack | hi! |
| 13:17.20 | DotHack | is this possible... |
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| 13:18.05 | Zharf | no |
| 13:18.23 | DotHack | i am doing some router utm tests, i have 2 routers and 1 linux box. the default gateway is pointed at router 1, but when a packet arrives from router 2 i want that packet to be replied to router 2 instead of default gateway |
| 13:18.24 | deepy | It's reasonable yes, but I'm not sure if it's practical |
| 13:18.28 | deepy | oh darn, beat me to it |
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| 13:18.53 | DotHack | is this possible? |
| 13:19.14 | deepy | It's probably possible yes |
| 13:19.48 | ChrisH | DotHack: routing based on Source not Destination? |
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| 13:20.17 | DotHack | ChrisH: source mac that is then... |
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| 13:20.35 | deepy | does the linux box have one interface per router it's connected to? |
| 13:21.46 | DotHack | deepy: no 1 interface, 2 routers in same subnet |
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| 13:23.07 | ChrisH | DotHack: Should be possible, from a quick google search: check for policy based routing and/ar source based routing |
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| 13:29.42 | Like | sorry guys what is m-a prepare ?? |
| 13:30.52 | Like | any one ?? |
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| 13:32.43 | tscudi | Hey everyone. I'm having a major problem, not the least of which seems to be not being able to understand what I'm looking at when I'm pulling up results on google. My ability to understand what I need to do from reading a page on the internet with really technical instructions is really, really low. I'm a super newbie at everything computers and everything I found begins with "install linux" so I did and now I'm having problems and I haven' |
| 13:32.43 | tscudi | solve them. As to what the problem actually is, I have two kernels, the one that installed when I installed linux, and a backported kernel because I can't use my wireless card on the one that installed with the original installation. When I boot with the original one, it works just fine. When I boot with the backported one, as soon as I log in to my user account, the whole thing freezes, totally and completely, I can't move the mouse, nothin |
| 13:32.44 | tscudi | anything. So I'm stuck between not being able to use the internet and not being able to use the computer at all. |
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| 13:35.02 | abrotman | Like: it has a manpage .. |
| 13:35.31 | abrotman | tscudi: ati/nvidia card? |
| 13:35.43 | Like | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:36.08 | abrotman | Like: yes, it does |
| 13:36.19 | tscudi | abrotman: AMD Radeon HD 6320 ? |
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| 13:36.49 | Like | thx for advise !!!!! |
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| 13:38.20 | tscudi | It was working fine earlier, even on the backported kernel. I just got all the problems with installing it to begin with sorted out, went to bed, woke up this morning and logging in it immediately freezes. |
| 13:38.58 | tscudi | I found this, which looks promising, but I don't understand it well enough to use it. https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups=#!topic/alt.os.linux.debian/dm9mR0Q2KMI |
| 13:39.11 | tscudi | Same with this: http://linux.koolsolutions.com/2009/08/04/howto-fix-linux-hangfreeze-during-reboots-and-restarts/ |
| 13:39.38 | tscudi | I'm sure I must be looking right at the answer, but I don't have the necessary knowledge to a, recognise that and b, apply it. |
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| 13:40.43 | Quest | hi |
| 13:40.45 | ChrisH | tscudi: before starting to wild test things. lets first try to understand what happens. Have you checked the logs written until the system hung? Do you have a second system from which you can ping and ssh to your debian box? |
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| 13:42.36 | tscudi | I have a second computer, but I have no idea what the second half of that sentence means. As to the one before it, I wouldn't understand anything the logs said. |
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| 13:44.44 | tscudi | I'm really, really, really new at everything. I don't know a lick of ANYTHING. |
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| 13:45.02 | boudiccas | any 'wyrd' users here please? :) |
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| 13:46.55 | ChrisH | tscudi: can you login from the second system to the debian system using ssh? On Linux use ssh NAME_OR_IP_OF_DEBIAN_BOX on Windows one popular ssh-client is putty |
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| 13:48.00 | tscudi | Umm...I'm not sure how that would work. The Debian box won't load enough to be capable of an internet connection. |
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| 13:53.18 | ChrisH | tscudi: you wrote: "... as soon as I log in to my user account, the whole thing freezes" I did not said anything on log in. Just boot and connect via network over your local LAN. BTW where are you located? |
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| 13:54.42 | tscudi | I'm in England, in a tiny town where people are outnumbered by sheep. The nearest computer place is four towns over and I am disabled and housebound. Hence, computer problems = panic attack, because it's my only way to contact / interact with the outside world barring a simple phone to call 999 in emergencies. |
| 13:54.54 | Towzzer | have you tried 911 |
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| 13:55.09 | koollman | tscudi: get more than one computer ? |
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| 13:56.21 | tscudi | How do I get it to connect to the local LAN without logging in? |
| 13:56.57 | nkuttler | tscudi: dhcp? |
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| 13:58.17 | tscudi | nkuttler: I think you're overestimating my ability to understand what you're telling me to do. You say something like that to me and I pop over to google and type in "linux dhcp" and look at the results and cannot read them. |
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| 13:58.37 | Nailor | Hmm. I'm trying to package a python module that has only one module (ie. .py file) in it using dh_python2. The module has been declared in setup.py's py_modules, but debian packaging is unable to pick it up. Any pointers why? If I convert it to package/__init__.py and provide packages=['package'], everything works :F |
| 13:58.42 | nkuttler | !dhcp |
| 13:58.42 | dpkg | The Dynamic Host Configuration Protocol (DHCP) is used to provide configuration information (e.g. IP address, default route, name server addresses) for hosts on IP networks. Ask me about <dhcp client>. DHCP servers packaged for Debian include dnsmasq and isc-dhcp-server. |
| 13:59.02 | nkuttler | tscudi: dhcp is built into almost all consumer-grade routers etc |
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| 13:59.56 | abrotman | tscudi: are you using fglrx or radeon ? |
| 13:59.58 | ChrisH | tscudi: If your debian is connected to your LAN, it is expected that your Internet router assign an IP to the debian box while booting. so therefrore you shpuld be able to reach the system after it was powered on and finish booting. |
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| 14:00.39 | tscudi | abrotman: How would I go about finding out the answer to that question? |
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| 14:01.21 | ChrisH | abrotman: lets start with ping and ssh onto the box and keep that for later |
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| 14:01.47 | nkuttler | oh, he has another kernel that can boot and the machine apparently freezes when he logs into x/gnome/kde |
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| 14:02.22 | sh4rm4 | is there a debian developer chan ? i want to discuss some issues with debian codesearch |
| 14:02.32 | tscudi | ChrisH: So if I boot it into the kernel that can use the wireless card, but then don't log in and just leave it sitting there and come back over here, I can do stuff from here that would help figure out what the problem is? |
| 14:02.34 | abrotman | ChrisH: huh? the system boots, until he logs in .. you don't think that might be oddly related to the graphics driver? |
| 14:02.56 | abrotman | sh4rm4: discuss what? |
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| 14:03.21 | sh4rm4 | abrotman, possible bugs |
| 14:03.28 | abrotman | sh4rm4: at the bottom of the page, there is contact info |
| 14:04.07 | ChrisH | abrotman: I agrre, but as long as we cannot get him remote on the box we will not get any output. Therefore my suggestion to first login remote and second collect data. |
| 14:04.20 | sh4rm4 | abrotman, thanks, but i'd prefer "interactive" chat over mailing |
| 14:04.22 | abrotman | ChrisH: /var/log/Xorg.1.log |
| 14:04.33 | abrotman | sh4rm4: it's not a DD thing, one DD is responsible |
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| 14:05.14 | abrotman | sh4rm4: that codesearch.debian.net is run by one Developer as far as I know |
| 14:05.22 | ChrisH | tscudi: Do you have a LAN cable plugged into your Debian box or "only" WLAN? |
| 14:05.28 | abrotman | and his contact info is on that page |
| 14:06.04 | sh4rm4 | abrotman, ok |
| 14:06.13 | tscudi | At the moment, it's wireless, ultimately I need it to be able to run wireless. For the moment in the interests of fixing it, I have a LAN cable I can use if that would help? |
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| 14:06.29 | abrotman | sh4rm4: And I don't believe I've ever seen that DD on IRC |
| 14:06.40 | nkuttler | tscudi: yes, boot the kernel that works and come back |
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| 14:07.14 | Quest | hi, i dont see mod_proxy_ajp nor mod_proxy in mods-available dir of apache 2. any solution? |
| 14:07.16 | abrotman | maybe just have tscudi install wheezy and be done with it |
| 14:07.19 | Quest | in ubuntu |
| 14:07.28 | nkuttler | hm |
| 14:07.30 | abrotman | Quest: `you want #ubuntu, thank you |
| 14:07.35 | Glus | Quest: please ask questions about ubuntu in #ubuntu. |
| 14:07.36 | nkuttler | tscudi: did you install debian yourself? |
| 14:07.44 | tscudi | The one that doesn't let the wireless work, but lets everything else work? Okay, that's booted. |
| 14:07.48 | tscudi | nkuttler: Yes. |
| 14:07.57 | Quest | abrotman, no one speak there for me, i guess ubuntu is using debian. so fair enough? |
| 14:07.59 | Quest | Glus, |
| 14:08.01 | Quest | ^ |
| 14:08.06 | abrotman | Quest: no, use #ubuntu |
| 14:08.08 | nkuttler | tscudi: well, if you have time you might want to try to install wheezy, like abrotman suggested |
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| 14:08.24 | Quest | abrotman, apache modes for ubuntu and debian are different? |
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| 14:08.44 | abrotman | Quest: you are using Ubuntu, not supported in #debian, use #ubuntu .. Good luck |
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| 14:11.17 | tscudi | nkuttler: I'm going to have major problems installing anything at this point, aren't I? I can't get that one connected to the internet, and this one that connects to the internet is not capable of anything ELSE (ie, it can't read its CD burner or any USB drives I put in it). |
| 14:12.00 | nkuttler | tscudi: can't you burn a cd from windows? |
| 14:12.49 | tscudi | nkuttler: No. This computer can't read its own CD burner. It's a broken and dying piece of junk that I keep around solely so I have a means of accessing Google when the good computer goes down. |
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| 14:13.53 | tscudi | Try to burn a CD with it, it either goes "please insert a blank cd" (when there's one in there) or "cannot locate drive". |
| 14:13.54 | nkuttler | abrotman: actually, why not simply dist-upgrade him? |
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| 14:15.55 | nkuttler | tscudi: anyway, reboot the kernel that works without wifi. doesn't make too much sense to do anything else before gathering some data |
| 14:15.57 | tscudi | So the working kernel is booted on the debian box. It's now on and functional, but can't read the wireless card. |
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| 14:17.32 | nkuttler | tscudi: ok, so pastebin your /var/log/Xorg.1.log |
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| 14:18.35 | nkuttler | tscudi: you can use a tool like pastebinit if you like, or xclip -i |
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| 14:19.05 | tscudi | Yeah, I can use pastebin. I've just used the cord to get it hooked up to the LAN that way. Now I'm getting there. |
| 14:19.26 | ChrisH | nkuttler: we should also check which WLAN is in and maybe no newer kernel is needed. |
| 14:19.38 | nkuttler | ChrisH: good point |
| 14:20.10 | nkuttler | tscudi: you should probably also install an irc client on the linux box |
| 14:20.36 | tscudi | Pardon while I google for how to get this var/log/Xorg.1.log for you. |
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| 14:22.02 | nkuttler | tscudi: the easiest is probably to apt-get install pastebinit |
| 14:22.31 | nkuttler | tscudi: and then type pastebinit /var/log/Xorg.1.log into a terminal |
| 14:23.00 | tscudi | Okay, it's doing its apt-get install pastebinit thing. |
| 14:23.44 | nkuttler | tscudi: and lspci | pastebinit |
| 14:24.11 | tscudi | And pastebinit /var/log.Xorg.1.log yields "Unable to read from: /var/log/Xorg.1.log |
| 14:24.25 | nkuttler | tscudi: /var/log/Xorg.0.log.old ? |
| 14:24.30 | tscudi | In the file system browser, I see that I have Xorg.0.log.old |
| 14:24.34 | tscudi | Yeah. Pastebin that? |
| 14:24.36 | nkuttler | yeah |
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| 14:25.41 | tscudi | "This API has been disabled." |
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| 14:26.14 | nkuttler | great.. |
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| 14:26.45 | nkuttler | !nopaste |
| 14:26.45 | dpkg | nopaste is a command-line tool to send data to a <pastebin>. To paste e.g. your sources.list do "aptitude install libapp-nopaste-perl; nopaste /etc/apt/sources.list"; to paste the output of a program do e.g. "dmesg | nopaste". |
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| 14:26.55 | nkuttler | tscudi: install that instead |
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| 14:29.16 | tscudi | It's doing that. I think. |
| 14:29.17 | TheWarden | Hi, I'm wanting to install Samba 4 on Debian. Now I understand stable release is still Squeeze and that Samba 4 is not available for Squeeze unless using backports. So now I wonder is it safe to go Wheezy route to have Samba 4? Safe as in stable for production use? |
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| 14:30.00 | nkuttler | TheWarden: wheezy has been frozen for a while. but only you will be able to tell if it's production ready |
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| 14:30.24 | tscudi | It seems to be paused. The last line of what's going on is "Setting up libnet-libidn-perl (0.12.ds-l+bl) ..." |
| 14:30.35 | tscudi | And then under that is just a blinking cursor. |
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| 14:30.43 | TheWarden | nkuttler: yeah that's what I figured... so really Squeeze is the route I need to go then as I don't need to deal with testing and such to prove for my use its stable and reliable. |
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| 14:31.28 | nkuttler | TheWarden: actually, there's no guarantee wheezy will be production read for *you* either, unless you test it :) |
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| 14:32.58 | abrotman | nkuttler: cleaner? .. not a big deal |
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| 14:33.52 | tscudi | GOT IT I got the file open and |
| 14:33.54 | nkuttler | we should make sure first he's not just missing some firmware though |
| 14:34.02 | tscudi | ... Now I can't connect to pastebin any more. |
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| 14:34.18 | nkuttler | tscudi: hm, what does that mean? |
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| 14:34.28 | nkuttler | i guess nopaste could try to use the same api as pastebinit.. |
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| 14:34.58 | tscudi | I mean I couldn't figure out how to get it to work, so I opened the file with a word processor and it opened up and showed me the contents, so I figured I'd copy it all and paste it into pastebin by hand. |
| 14:35.14 | nkuttler | tscudi: sure, that works too :) |
| 14:35.18 | tscudi | And when I did that...the browser couldn't read pastebin any more. |
| 14:35.28 | tscudi | And it can't read google either. |
| 14:35.41 | tscudi | Cannot resolve hostname |
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| 14:35.55 | nkuttler | tscudi: the cable got unplugged? |
| 14:36.22 | tscudi | Just double checked 'em, they're nice and firmly plugged in. |
| 14:36.42 | tscudi | According to the computer, it's still connected to the network. |
| 14:38.02 | tscudi | Now it's saying "Cannot connect to destination". |
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| 14:39.17 | tscudi | And now the network icon is doing its spinny "connecting to network" animation. |
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| 14:39.36 | tscudi | Now it says it's been disconnected. |
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| 14:41.36 | tscudi | I can't make it connect again. But I know it's connected properly. |
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| 14:42.44 | ChrisH | tscudi: check /sbin/ifconfig -a it should show a line wth inet Adresse:192.168.10.7 (a different IP of course) |
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| 14:43.45 | tscudi | No. |
| 14:44.16 | abrotman | ugh, /. fail ... |
| 14:44.30 | tscudi | inet6 addr: fe90::de0e:alff:fe98:509/64 Scope:Link |
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| 14:46.30 | tscudi | I've connected the windows beast via wireless, I'm gonna try using the cable I'm using in the windows machine in the debian box instead, see if it's a shitty cable. |
| 14:46.48 | ChrisH | tscudi: how are you connected to internet? DSL? |
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| 14:50.43 | gerlos | hello everyone! |
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| 14:51.58 | Nik05 | hi gerlos, bye gerlos |
| 14:52.02 | tscudi1 | Well that was terrifying. |
| 14:52.10 | EasyAsPie | hi |
| 14:52.29 | tscudi1 | Okay, so I tried the cable that is known to work, to see if it was just a bad cable. It's not. |
| 14:52.37 | tscudi1 | It still can't connect. |
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| 14:53.48 | tscudi1 | God I feel like such a hopeless case. >.< |
| 14:54.17 | ChrisH | what debian did you install? Squeeze? |
| 14:54.26 | abrotman | did suggest wheezy about an hour ago ... |
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| 14:54.43 | tscudi1 | abrotman: How would I get wheezy ONTO that machine though? |
| 14:55.00 | gerlos | hello everyone! |
| 14:55.00 | abrotman | windows is broken too ? |
| 14:55.02 | tscudi1 | It can't connect to the network, and the machine that CAN can't make CDs or use USB sticks. |
| 14:55.05 | nkuttler | yeah, but his network is down suddenly.. |
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| 14:57.08 | tscudi1 | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.6/amd64/iso-cd/debian-6.0.6-amd64-netinst.iso This is what I used. |
| 14:57.12 | whohzs | hello guys |
| 14:57.44 | whohzs | im on squeze i cant make my dongle work i followed this on the wiki but nethin work http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/rt73 |
| 14:57.49 | gerlos | got a failing hard disk, with mac osx, kubuntu and windows installed, found on amazon exactly the same model, do you know if I can restore my data on the new disk just using dd on the whole drive? |
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| 14:58.30 | abrotman | gerlos: how is this related to Debian ? |
| 14:58.42 | jerem` | using m4, i would like apply instructions according to content of file |
| 14:58.43 | whozatmac | gerlos: dd_rescue is like dd with more advanced block recovery. it's more likely to get you a decent read, at a cost of time. |
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| 14:59.21 | tscudi1 | Back before I installed Debian on that machine, it used to be a windows 7 that connected to the internet and used its CD burner like it was supposed to. I used it to burn that ISO to a disk, and used that disk to install Debian on that machine. Now it can't connect to the internet. This machine, that can connect to the internet, cannot use its CD burner nor can it read or write anything from USB input because it is a dying machine that shou |
| 14:59.22 | tscudi1 | fixed. |
| 14:59.59 | gerlos | whozatmac: thanks, time it's not a problem, since reinstalling everything would take long time anyways... |
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| 15:00.04 | tscudi1 | I would LOVE to find a better or EASIER install and just put it on there and be done with it. But unless magic and telepathy will transfer files, I'm stuck. |
| 15:00.08 | abrotman | gerlos: how is this a Debian question ? |
| 15:00.43 | gerlos | abrotman: sorry, I though it may be related, since kubuntu is derived from debian... :-( |
| 15:00.54 | whozatmac | abrotman: is it ok if someone answers a question, or are you the channel police? |
| 15:00.55 | abrotman | no, ask #kubuntu, good luck |
| 15:01.05 | abrotman | whozatmac: you can go to #kubuntu too, thank you |
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| 15:01.22 | clopez | better use ddrescue than dd_rescue |
| 15:01.24 | whozatmac | been running debian since 2.0. i think i know where i am |
| 15:01.37 | abrotman | and Ubuntu is offtopic here |
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| 15:02.02 | tscudi1 | e_e I am the idiot user that needs their hand held for the simplest of tasks and I know to go to the right channel. |
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| 15:02.42 | gerlos | is (k)ubuntu such different from debian that such a question is off topic here? strange... |
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| 15:03.13 | abrotman | gerlos: Ubuntu is offtopic, you're going to have to use #kubuntu or ##linux |
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| 15:04.27 | no_gravity | Interesting, that even serverside everybody offers ubuntu now and not debian. Just setting up my first EC2 instance and Amazon offers a couple of Ubuntu images, but no Debian image. Why is that? |
| 15:04.44 | tscudi1 | If there were just some way to get files off the internet and onto the Debian box, or off the Debian box and onto the internet. |
| 15:05.01 | tscudi1 | But now it won't even read the network when I have a cable plugged in. |
| 15:05.02 | abrotman | no_gravity: how would we know, ask them |
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| 15:05.13 | Pei | whhhhhhhhhhhhat would be.......... the best program to use if i wanted to monitor, like, UPTIME STATISTICS, and/or BANDWIDTH USAGE (how much bandwidth is going where and through what app?_ |
| 15:05.19 | Pei | anyone know of any program of the sort? |
| 15:05.24 | nkuttler | tscudi1: what happened really doesn't make much sense. |
| 15:05.47 | tscudi1 | nkuttler: No, it doesn't make sense to me, either. |
| 15:05.50 | nkuttler | tscudi1: do a tail -f /var/log/messages and unplug/plug in the cable |
| 15:06.12 | nkuttler | tscudi1: you should see a message like link is up/down |
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| 15:07.13 | tscudi1 | In that order I presume, let's see, tail -f /var/log/messages gets me a bunch of stuff ending in |
| 15:07.15 | tscudi1 | Link is Up<100 Mbps Full Duplex> |
| 15:07.17 | rotaticus | Pei: uptimed perhaps? |
| 15:07.25 | Pei | uptimed EH? |
| 15:07.40 | tscudi1 | Now unplug/plug the cable again or does that change the plan? |
| 15:07.41 | nkuttler | tscudi1: the timestamps are from after the network went down? |
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| 15:08.34 | TheWarden | Is there a Debian package for the stable release of Samba 4 or should that be installed via git? |
| 15:08.37 | tscudi1 | Oh god I haven't been paying attention to what time it is. There's a bunch of Link is Down ones with Link is Up at the end, that's all I know. |
| 15:08.46 | somiaj | ,versions samba |
| 15:08.48 | judd | Package: samba on i386 -- lenny: 2:3.2.5-4lenny15; lenny-security: 2:3.2.5-4lenny15; lenny-backports: 2:3.5.6~dfsg-3~bpo50+1; squeeze: 2:3.5.6~dfsg-3squeeze8; squeeze-security: 2:3.5.6~dfsg-3squeeze8; squeeze-proposed-updates: 2:3.5.6~dfsg-3squeeze9; squeeze-security: 2:3.5.6~dfsg-3squeeze9; squeeze-backports: 2:3.6.6-2~bpo60+1; squeeze-backports: 2:3.6.6-5~bpo60+1; sid: 2:3.6.6-5; wheezy: |
| 15:08.49 | judd | 2:3.6.6-5; experimental: 2:3.6.12-1 |
| 15:08.55 | nkuttler | tscudi1: ok, so what's your ip? ifconfig |
| 15:09.01 | nkuttler | tscudi1: and what is the cable connected to? |
| 15:09.21 | tscudi1 | Checking it against when I said it stopped working in IRC, it looks like the Link is Up came AFTER that. |
| 15:09.31 | somiaj | TheWarden: yea it appears that samba 4 isn't in debian yet. So you can either choose to make our own package, or install it in /usr/local and manage the install with something like stow |
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| 15:09.46 | nkuttler | ,v samba4 |
| 15:09.47 | judd | Package: samba4 on i386 -- sid: 4.0.0~beta2+dfsg1-3.1; wheezy: 4.0.0~beta2+dfsg1-3.1; experimental: 4.0.3+dfsg1-0.1 |
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| 15:10.14 | somiaj | oh wait it is called samba4 -- nevermind. |
| 15:10.21 | somiaj | ,check backport samba4 |
| 15:10.50 | tscudi1 | nkuttler: but now the terminal isn't doing anything, it's just a blank blinking cursor, not the usual stuff that appears in front of the blinking cursor. I tried typing ifconfig, but it didn't do anything. |
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| 15:11.40 | nkuttler | tscudi1: alright, i give up. isn't there a linux user group somewhere around you? |
| 15:12.07 | tscudi1 | nkuttler: I am housebound/disabled I have no way to get to anything. It's me and the internet. |
| 15:12.11 | TheWarden | somiaj: mmm okay, not familiar with stow let alone never heard of it. I'll check into it. |
| 15:12.13 | nkuttler | tscudi1: i know |
| 15:12.38 | nkuttler | tscudi1: i know i wouldn't mind visiting somebody in that situation to install debian |
| 15:12.52 | somiaj | TheWarden: according to judd backporting the debian samba4 package to squeeze will be difficult (There are lots of build-depends squeeze does not meet) |
| 15:13.01 | angs | I have a device that runs debian squeeze, but it does not have an internet connection and I need to install wpasupplicant package on it. I installed the package on wireless-tools_30~pre9-5_armel.deb then move it to the destination device and dpk -i , but the wpasupplicant needs a lot dependencies. Is there any way to get the package with all dependencies offline then I can move these file and install them on the destination debian device? |
| 15:13.08 | tscudi1 | Okay, let's see, I got it to do something. I put in ifconfig and it said |
| 15:13.18 | Pei | rotaticus: so i see this uptimed just emails ya? |
| 15:13.19 | tscudi1 | bash: ifconfig: command not found |
| 15:13.20 | nkuttler | tscudi1: how did you do that? |
| 15:13.29 | somiaj | TheWarden: This means it may not be an easy compile to get samba4 working on squeeze. Though hard to say to me if the issue is hard depends in samba4 or just the debian build-deps |
| 15:13.31 | tscudi1 | Closing the terminal and opening a new one. |
| 15:13.35 | nkuttler | tscudi1: /sbin/ifconfig |
| 15:13.46 | Pei | that's all it does? |
| 15:13.56 | TheWarden | somiaj: oh great... so maybe I have no choice but to move to Wheezy. mmm |
| 15:13.57 | Pei | man i want pie charts and downtime percentage, etc |
| 15:13.58 | rotaticus | Pei: no its for the terminal |
| 15:13.58 | Pei | :) |
| 15:14.17 | Pei | rotaticus: hows it work? |
| 15:14.19 | tscudi1 | Okay it said a lot of stuff when I did that. Which part are we looking for? |
| 15:14.28 | Pei | once i have it installed |
| 15:14.40 | nkuttler | tscudi1: your ip. inet addr |
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| 15:15.03 | rotaticus | Pei: it gives you a top10 and all the stats you like |
| 15:15.23 | Pei | :) what command do i type? |
| 15:15.24 | Pei | :P |
| 15:15.25 | tscudi1 | inet6 addr: fe80::de0e:alff:fe98:509/64 Scope:Link |
| 15:15.39 | rotaticus | Pei: type uprecords in a terminal |
| 15:15.49 | Pei | thgans found it |
| 15:15.51 | rotaticus | Pei: or try man uprecords |
| 15:15.52 | Pei | thanks too |
| 15:16.05 | somiaj | TheWarden: or wait until it stabalizes. But yea it could end up being a lot of work to get samba4 in stable. Or it could compile nicely and the build depends errors judd is giving me is something with the debian package |
| 15:16.12 | Pei | down 0 days, 00:00:00 | since Thu Jan 17 19:05:29 2013 |
| 15:16.15 | Pei | WOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!' |
| 15:16.18 | Pei | hehe |
| 15:16.21 | tscudi1 | Wait I think I see it |
| 15:16.46 | tscudi1 | inet addr:127.0.0.1 Mask:255.0.0.0 |
| 15:16.49 | TheWarden | somiaj: yeah well I can't wait to long as I need a working Samba 4 for AD DC here soon. |
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| 15:18.14 | somiaj | TheWarden: Well you could always try to compile it and see what you run into, Or double check the actual libaries required to build samba and see if they are in squeeze or not |
| 15:18.38 | Pei | what's wrong with samba? |
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| 15:18.48 | somiaj | Pei: he wants to get samba4 on squeeze. |
| 15:18.50 | tscudi1 | knuttler: Is that the one we're looking for? |
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| 15:20.19 | Pei | OH |
| 15:20.28 | Pei | that may take a bit of doing |
| 15:21.12 | tscudi1 | Searching for my local linux group, the nearest one is (a) hours and hours away, (b) inactive as of September. |
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| 15:21.24 | deeste | hello |
| 15:21.26 | somiaj | Pei: whcih was my comment, how much work to get samba4 compiled on squeeze may be a lot, or it may not. |
| 15:21.33 | deeste | If I copy files from a samba share to an external hdd and then do "du -s ..." on both the directories. Shouldn't they show the same size then? |
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| 15:22.36 | somiaj | deeste: not exactaly, but close. Depending on the filesystem and block size on the two locations. You should try md5sum on a few files to see if there is any difference |
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| 15:22.44 | tscudi1 | Should I just reboot the thing and see if it likes the network better this time? |
| 15:23.10 | tscudi1 | Or is that just worthless genuflection to an elder god that will not help? |
| 15:23.33 | deeste | somiaj: just a few files doesn't ensure everything is transfered? |
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| 15:23.57 | somiaj | deeste: nope, but depending on the size md5sum of everything could take a while. But if you need to double check it is worth it |
| 15:24.15 | Zplay | Anyone using BTRFS on debian here ? |
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| 15:24.23 | deeste | somiaj: how long is a while.. :)? |
| 15:24.31 | deeste | somiaj: it is at least 100gb |
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| 15:25.16 | tscudi1 | I cannot believe that just getting it installed and connecting to the internet is this hard. There's no WAY it's a bug, someone would've noticed a million and a half years before I did. |
| 15:25.29 | somiaj | deeste: any reason you cannot just use a tool like rsync as opposed to copying over a samba share? |
| 15:25.54 | somiaj | deeste: depends on the cpu mostly on the machine. So I couldn't give ya a good estimate of time needed. |
| 15:26.37 | deeste | somiaj: well, no, but now it is copied with just moving between the folders |
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| 15:29.07 | tscudi1 | HOLY SHIT I JUST CONNECTED TO THE WIRELESS FROM THE DEBIANBOX |
| 15:29.24 | tscudi1 | What black magic is this I don't even know what we did or how. |
| 15:29.56 | petn-randall | r4co0n: well, it's not like there haven't been security exploits in jpeg libraries before ... |
| 15:30.35 | petn-randall | (woops, sorry, was reading the scrollback of 3 days ago) |
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| 15:31.23 | tscudi | HI GUYS. I AM MESSAGING YOU FROM THE DEBIAN BOX |
| 15:31.49 | SPF | tscudi: it seems your caps lock is still on |
| 15:31.59 | petn-randall | tscudi: make sure not to let the black smoke out. |
| 15:32.12 | tscudi | spf: Sorry I'm just having one of those "oh god it actually worked" moments. |
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| 15:32.42 | tscudi | petn-randall: I haven't had ANY magic smoke leakages. This thing SHOULD be doing just fine. |
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| 15:34.22 | petn-randall | tscudi: sometimes the server room wolves rip a hard drive from the RAID. It's ok, since they kill the slowest one, and that keeps the RAID herd fast and healthy. |
| 15:35.07 | deeste | somiaj: but if the size is almost correct and file and directory count is correct there would be a small risk there is something missing? |
| 15:35.34 | tscudi | And Pidgin looks so DIFFERENT when I'm running it from here. |
| 15:36.12 | petn-randall | deeste: rsync --dry-run will tell you if both directories are identical. |
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| 15:36.53 | somiaj | deeste: correct, and the file difference is just due to filesystem block size. File size on a disk is based on number of blocks used and even if it takes up a partial block the whole block is used. So different file systems will give different disk use totals. Tools like rsync are a bit better for this as they do better checking. |
| 15:37.18 | deeste | petn-randall: so rsync --dry-run /externalhdd /sambashare? |
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| 15:37.49 | petn-randall | deeste: should do it, yeah |
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| 15:38.22 | petn-randall | deeste: wait, you might need to do 'rsync --dry-run /externalhdd/* /sambashare', just try it out. |
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| 15:40.00 | deeste | petn-randall: -r as well? |
| 15:40.27 | tscudi | I wish I knew what I did so that this doesn't happen again. |
| 15:40.37 | petn-randall | deeste: argh. In fact, try 'rsync -av --dry-run /externalhdd/* /sambashare' |
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| 15:40.45 | tscudi | I had it working just fine last night, too, then went to bed and woke up to a non-functional machine. |
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| 15:41.07 | petn-randall | tscudi: gremlins. |
| 15:41.26 | tscudi | petn-randall: Clearly my after-midnight eating habits have come to haunt me. |
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| 15:42.48 | deeste | petn-randall: now it says: building file list ... done sent 187913 bytes received 20 bytes 11389.88 bytes/sec total size is 7103376218 speedup is 37797.39 |
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| 15:43.55 | petn-randall | deeste: if it didn't list any files before that, it means that they're identical, including metadata like permissions and timestamps. |
| 15:44.09 | petn-randall | deeste: try running the command on two different directories to see what I mean. |
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| 15:45.52 | deeste | petn-randall: yeah, nice! |
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| 15:46.51 | petn-randall | deeste: you're welcome :) |
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| 15:50.03 | whoxz | hello guys |
| 15:50.40 | Renegade_ | hey all. Anyone has experience or already suceeded in using BIND9 > v9.8.x in Debian Squeeze? |
| 15:50.41 | whoxz | im tryin to use my d-link dongle i installed the ralink firmware but it gives me error in dmesg |
| 15:50.53 | whoxz | im on debian wheezy |
| 15:51.15 | somiaj | what error, or is this a guessing game? |
| 15:51.20 | bleutyler | Is there a forum admin online for forums.debian.net? I registered with the incorrect email address ... :S |
| 15:51.42 | RoenieLap | *goes to the arch wiki again because the debian documentation blows* |
| 15:52.52 | whoxz | somiaj: here you go http://pastie.org/6297420 |
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| 15:53.44 | petn-randall | Renegade_: Are you doing a survey? :) |
| 15:54.08 | somiaj | whoxz: try to get the usbid of that device, seems it just may not be in the database and thus isn't being registerd by the driver |
| 15:54.22 | somiaj | whoxz: I had a usb dongle do this I had to forcefully add the usbid to get it to work. |
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| 15:54.54 | whoxz | somiaj: ai have the id's now where shud i register em ? |
| 15:55.16 | somiaj | whoxz: lsusb I think lists them, I forget where I got mine, I found the solution looking up the issue in google |
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| 15:55.41 | whoxz | somiaj: yeh i got em by lsusb but idk in which file i must put em |
| 15:55.46 | somiaj | but the two errors I'm focusing on are the vdor request failed and invalid rt chipset detected. |
| 15:55.50 | Renegade_ | petn-randall: ? I'd like to know how to get BIND9 >9.8.x into Squeeze? Is apt-pinning the only way for that? And will that work ? |
| 15:55.54 | somiaj | maybe google would give you better info on those two errors |
| 15:56.13 | whoxz | somiaj: ok |
| 15:56.14 | somiaj | Renegade_: what? do not install testing/unstable packages on stable (even with pinning) make a backport |
| 15:56.19 | somiaj | ,versions bind9 |
| 15:56.21 | judd | Package: bind9 on i386 -- lenny: 1:9.6.ESV.R4+dfsg-0+lenny4; lenny-security: 1:9.6.ESV.R4+dfsg-0+lenny4; lenny-backports: 1:9.7.3.dfsg-1~squeeze3~bpo50+1; squeeze-proposed-updates: 1:9.7.3.dfsg-1~squeeze6; squeeze-security: 1:9.7.3.dfsg-1~squeeze6; squeeze: 1:9.7.3.dfsg-1~squeeze7; squeeze-security: 1:9.7.3.dfsg-1~squeeze8; squeeze-proposed-updates: 1:9.7.3.dfsg-1~squeeze9; sid: 1:9.8.4.dfsg.P1-5; |
| 15:56.22 | judd | wheezy: 1:9.8.4.dfsg.P1-5; experimental: 1:9.9.2.dfsg.P1-2 |
| 15:56.26 | whoxz | thanks somiaj |
| 15:56.32 | somiaj | ,check backports bind9 |
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| 15:56.43 | somiaj | ,check-backport bind9 |
| 15:56.51 | judd | Backporting package bind9 in sid→squeeze/i386: all build-dependencies satisfied using squeeze, virtual. |
| 15:57.02 | Renegade_ | won't that ruin my package manager and all my stable system ?? |
| 15:57.04 | somiaj | Renegade_: /msg dpkg ssbp (you will want to make your own backport of that) |
| 15:57.21 | abrotman | bleutyler: should have an email on the site? |
| 15:57.25 | somiaj | Renegade_: no installing the sid package will break your system. Creating a backport (compiling your own custom package for squeeze) won't. |
| 15:57.44 | crd | whoxz: Mail them to the maintainer of the driver. |
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| 15:57.49 | bleutyler | abrotman, I'm checking again, but I could not find one yesterday. |
| 15:58.14 | Renegade_ | somiaj: so with this backport stuff I am on the safe side? |
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| 15:58.30 | Renegade_ | and I can install without any problem 9.8.x on my Squeeze OS ? |
| 15:58.38 | somiaj | Renegade_: correct, the problem is not bind9 (but all the libaries bind9 depends on) |
| 15:58.42 | abrotman | bleutyler: why not just register again ? |
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| 15:58.56 | bleutyler | Ah, I just registered with a new account with an underscore, that will suffice |
| 15:59.03 | somiaj | Renegade_: a binary package has fairly strick depends, so bind9 form unstable (binary) depends on unstable core libs, so you end up having to install core libaries from unstable which is what breaks things |
| 15:59.07 | abrotman | mkay |
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| 15:59.41 | somiaj | Renegade_: a backport is the software you want (Bind9 in this case) compiled against the libaries on squeeze. The only issue is you have to compile the package yourself, but it appears there will be little issues in doing this and the factiod /msg dpkg ssbp instructions should *just* work |
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| 16:00.14 | Renegade_ | somiaj: thats sounds great (compiling my own package agains my os and libs) |
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| 16:00.53 | tscudi | Okay, I want to teach myself how to do something, but would it be possible to have a more experienced user listen to me blither about what I'm doing and make sure I don't kill my computer by accident in the process? |
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| 16:01.57 | tscudi | I am here, because I also have been given a horrible screen resolution and no option to change it: http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?t=25468 |
| 16:02.19 | petn-randall | Renegade_: Remember thought that backporting the package will put you in the responsibility of security updates. This won't happen by itself like with stable security updates. |
| 16:02.28 | petn-randall | Renegade_: s/thought/though/ |
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| 16:03.19 | tscudi | And so it says I need to edit the /etc/X11/xorg.conf file. And maybe it is my years as a microsoft sheep, but the idea of modifying a system file is still really scary. |
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| 16:03.28 | Renegade_ | petn-randall: means, if I will use this backport stuff, I wont receive any security updates in feauture by "apt-get update && apt-get upgrade && apt-get dist-upgrade" ?? |
| 16:03.47 | deepy | tscudi: xorg.conf is just a configuration file |
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| 16:04.25 | petn-randall | Renegade_: right. You have to keep track of security updates yourself and backport those again. While it's not that much of a pain, you have to keep that in mind. Especially if bind9 is facing to the internet. |
| 16:04.39 | petn-randall | Renegade_: May I ask what feature you need from bind 9.8? |
| 16:04.44 | tscudi | deepy: Thank you. |
| 16:04.50 | Renegade_ | ok, as it won't face into internet (just internal) I think it's worth a try |
| 16:04.55 | tscudi | So it says, 'as root open the file'. |
| 16:04.57 | Renegade_ | petn-randall: DLZ |
| 16:05.01 | Renegade_ | petn-randall: for samba4 |
| 16:05.13 | tscudi | I know how to become root on the terminal, but not how to open a file as root. |
| 16:05.25 | tscudi | I'm going to investigate that. |
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| 16:06.19 | angs | why wpasupplicant's version is too old on http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/wpasupplicant |
| 16:06.36 | petn-randall | tscudi: It's not that difficult. Become root, then open that file with your favorite editor, e.g. 'nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf'. |
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| 16:08.06 | petn-randall | angs: It's the version that ships with squeeze. What's your question? |
| 16:08.22 | tscudi1 | Aaaand the entire thing froze. |
| 16:08.30 | tscudi1 | I'm now back on the Windows computer. |
| 16:08.39 | angs | petn-randall: I thought packages are updated regularly |
| 16:08.50 | tscudi1 | And it's back to automatically freezing the instant I try to log in. |
| 16:09.00 | tscudi1 | Looks like whatever black magic fixed it last time was temporary. |
| 16:09.08 | angs | if the packages are not updated, then I don't have any question |
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| 16:09.53 | tscudi1 | So I'm booting the other Kernel with the wire plugged in to see if I can at least access the network that way to dump logs and such. |
| 16:10.05 | petn-randall | angs: debian stable only receives security-fixes. Debian unstable ("sid") receives updates in a faster pace. |
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| 16:10.23 | angs | petn-randall: I see now, thank you |
| 16:10.33 | petn-randall | angs: you're welcome. |
| 16:10.49 | deeste | petn-randall: thanks! :D now just let's see that everything is transfered :D |
| 16:10.52 | tscudi1 | Okay, it's alive and connected to the network via the wire. |
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| 16:11.44 | tscudi | Okay, back on the Debian box, but I'm on the other Kernel and can't use the wireless from here. |
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| 16:12.30 | tscudi | What logs should I be looking at to figure out why it keeps freezing like that? |
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| 16:13.52 | nkuttler | tscudi: /var/log/messages |
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| 16:14.15 | nkuttler | tscudi: though computers "freezing" usually points to hardware problems |
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| 16:15.22 | petn-randall | tscudi: /var/log/kern.log. You might have kernel panic there, if it was still able to write to disk. |
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| 16:19.12 | tscudi1 | The connection died before I could get the logs to pastebin. |
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| 16:20.09 | tscudi1 | I can load them and look at them myself, but I don't know what I'm looking for and they're massive so typing them by hand on the computer with the working network connection is ludicrous. |
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| 16:20.54 | _martin | hi when i do dpkg -l | grep mysql i get a list of installed mysql packages. is there a way to save this .deb files into a directory as backup? |
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| 16:21.41 | deeste | petn-randall: Can I include several sources and destinations in one call? |
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| 16:22.32 | abrotman | _martin: they already should be in your apt cache ... /var/cache/apt/archives/ |
| 16:22.46 | _martin | thank i will look for them |
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| 16:24.04 | petn-randall | deeste: 'man rsync' will tell you. But usually every non-option is treated as a source, and the last one is treated as the destination. |
| 16:24.43 | tscudi1 | ping google.co.uk yields: |
| 16:24.43 | tscudi1 | ping: unknown host google.co.uk |
| 16:24.49 | deeste | petn-randall: Ah, ok. Actually I found one file that wasn't transferred |
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| 16:26.12 | petn-randall | tscudi1: your DNS isn't set up. Probably not even the network. |
| 16:26.29 | tscudi1 | Message from syslogd@scudi at Feb 21 16:25:53 ... |
| 16:26.33 | Skaag | i'm trying to package an app but getting this when I run debuild -uc -us: dpkg-source: error: can't build with source format '3.0 (quilt)': no upstream tarball found at ../opentxs_0.88.f.orig.tar.{bz2,gz,lzma,xz} |
| 16:26.36 | _martin | abrotman the package doesnt exist |
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| 16:27.02 | Skaag | but there is no source package for this package yet :) |
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| 16:27.18 | _martin | there is only s# ls /var/cache/apt/archives/lock |
| 16:27.23 | tscudi1 | kernel:[ 980.670295] do_IRQ: 1.67 no irq handler for vector (irq -1) |
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| 16:27.34 | tscudi1 | And I have a bubble in the top right corner telling me I had a kernel failure. |
| 16:27.56 | abrotman | _martin: which version is it ? |
| 16:28.02 | _martin | apt? |
| 16:28.14 | abrotman | of mysql |
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| 16:28.16 | tscudi1 | I clicked view details, I'll do my best to type it into pastebin over here. |
| 16:28.22 | _martin | 5.0 |
| 16:28.29 | abrotman | the package version .. |
| 16:28.34 | tscudi1 | Or is there something specific I should be looking for? |
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| 16:28.43 | _martin | ii mysql-server-5.0 5.0.24a-3.infrant1 mysql database server binaries |
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| 16:28.55 | abrotman | _martin: you can re-pack a package, but why woudl you wan tthat? w hyn ot just get the package from debian again ? |
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| 16:28.59 | abrotman | wtf is infrant? |
| 16:29.10 | _martin | its a cpu |
| 16:29.16 | _martin | architektur |
| 16:29.34 | _martin | can how can i re-pack them? |
| 16:29.38 | _martin | -can |
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| 16:30.16 | igcewieling1 | I'm a CentOS guy but need to do something on Debian. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-faq/ch-customizing.en.html section 11.6 talks about putting scripts in /etc/init.d and using update-rc.d. Will this work with any script or do I have to create on which supports start, stop, etc options as well as the LSB headers? |
| 16:30.23 | abrotman | _martin: why not just get it from the debian website again ? |
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| 16:31.07 | abrotman | _martin: oh, this isn't actually Debian? |
| 16:31.15 | tscudi1 | I'm getting a bunch of messages on my terminal and they look weird and scary. |
| 16:31.33 | tscudi1 | Uhhuh. NMI received for unknown reason 00 on CPU 1 |
| 16:31.36 | abrotman | _martin: there's a package called dpkg-repack .. good luck |
| 16:31.40 | _martin | because this is a special package which was distributed from netgear, the configs are diffrent if i use the debian source the package configs doesnt match |
| 16:31.48 | tscudi1 | Uhhuh. NMI received for unknown reason 3c on CPU 0. |
| 16:31.56 | tscudi1 | Do you have a strange power saving mode enabled? |
| 16:31.58 | _martin | yes abrotman its an old one |
| 16:32.05 | tscudi1 | Dazed and confused, but trying to continue |
| 16:32.14 | tscudi1 | Do you have a strange power saving mode enabled? |
| 16:32.24 | tscudi1 | Dazed and confused, but trying to continue |
| 16:32.42 | tscudi1 | What's going on with my computer? I don't understand any of this. |
| 16:33.21 | abrotman | _martin: i gave you the answer .. good luck! |
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| 16:33.35 | tscudi1 | Google fu brings me here: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/debian-26/dazed-and-confused-but-trying-to-continue-106669/ |
| 16:33.36 | abrotman | _martin: just make sure the repackaged .deb has the files you want |
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| 16:33.57 | _martin | i try i will now compile http://archive.debian.org/debian/pool/main/d/dpkg-repack/dpkg-repack_1.25.tar.gz and after use the command :S |
| 16:34.14 | tscudi1 | Which has a big chunk of computer code that looks important but I don't understand. And a link to here: http://www.ale.org/archive/ale/ale-2002-09/msg00643.html But that just gives a not found error. |
| 16:34.52 | _martin | oh this isnt something i can compile |
| 16:35.01 | tscudi1 | I'll keep working on transcribing that Kernel failure details into pastebin. |
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| 16:35.25 | angs | I downloaded a firmware called htc_9271.fw , what is the command to install it? |
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| 16:35.59 | ctmjr | igcewieling1: There is a skeleton script inside /etc/init.d/ that should help you out |
| 16:36.18 | whoxz | angs: sudo chmod +x firmwar_ name and sudo bash firm_name |
| 16:37.22 | whoxz | guys i i nstalled a driver for my d-link dongle but i get this with dmesg http://pastie.org/6297420#11,14 |
| 16:37.39 | angs | whoxz: it outputs: htc_9271.fw: htc_9271.fw: cannot execute binary file |
| 16:38.01 | angs | but I did chmod +x htc_9271.fw && bash htc_9271.fw |
| 16:38.21 | whoxz | angs you shud make it executable first |
| 16:38.41 | krisfremen | doesn't look like executable.. .fw usually means firmware |
| 16:38.43 | krisfremen | not driver |
| 16:39.43 | whoxz | angs: wht does ls -l firm-name return ?? the parameter its a small L |
| 16:39.51 | crd | krisfremen: Ssshhhh... This is funny. Don't ruin it. |
| 16:40.27 | krisfremen | shrugs, knock yourselves out |
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| 16:41.04 | angs | whoxz: here is the output http://pastebin.com/t5nQ4umF |
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| 16:42.16 | ctmjr | Just put it in the firmware dir |
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| 16:42.32 | crd | ctmjr: That's not hilarious enough. |
| 16:42.34 | Pei | hey guys, which package has the kernel headers? |
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| 16:42.55 | crd | Pei: linux-headers, funnily enough. |
| 16:43.09 | igcewieling1 | What is the best way to run a custom script on boot? |
| 16:43.24 | KsM | /etc/rc.local |
| 16:43.26 | tscudi1 | Having to hand transcribe this kernel log, I really wish I knew what I was writing here. |
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| 16:43.41 | whoxz | angs: its extention its .fw idk sorry |
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| 16:43.52 | igcewieling1 | KsM: that is what I thought, but it does not appear to run on boot. |
| 16:43.56 | whoxz | i can't help you and goin for run now |
| 16:44.09 | igcewieling1 | I'm a centos guy so I don't know much about Debian's Way |
| 16:44.11 | angs | whoxz: I loaded it to /lib/firmware, as ctmjr said |
| 16:44.11 | Pei | thx |
| 16:44.14 | angs | thanks for the help |
| 16:44.27 | whoxz | just ask on here must be someone who will help |
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| 16:45.21 | whoxz | peace out |
| 16:45.25 | abrotman | igcewieling1: seee /etc/init.d/skeleton |
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| 16:46.30 | igcewieling1 | abrotman: ah. thanks. We'll just run it manually until we can get it converted to our standard distro. |
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| 16:47.17 | abrotman | igcewieling1: and /etc/init.d/rc.local should work |
| 16:47.47 | igcewieling1 | abrotman: as far as I can tell I have make my script "skeleton-like" in order to do that correct? |
| 16:48.02 | abrotman | no |
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| 16:48.10 | abrotman | stupid hat |
| 16:48.54 | igcewieling1 | I get this http://pastebin.ca/2316369 when I try setting it to run on boot |
| 16:49.32 | igcewieling1 | I don't have console access so I don't know if there are errors on the console when the script tries to run |
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| 16:50.02 | Quest | virtualhost and proxy for apache with tomcate config aid http://pastebin.ca/2316370 ? |
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| 16:51.14 | igcewieling1 | the darn box doesn't even have "less" installed. 8-| |
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| 16:52.00 | Skaag | igcewieling1: any script will do |
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| 16:52.28 | abrotman | igcewieling1: it's telling you that rc.local is already set to run |
| 16:52.31 | haole | hey there... is there a magic script around to find out the package dependencies of a given binary by the result of the ldd command output? |
| 16:53.06 | igcewieling1 | abrotman: I suspect something else is wrong, since this is some horrid old, screwed up install. |
| 16:53.23 | igcewieling1 | what moron doesn't install "less"? |
| 16:53.45 | jelly | igcewieling1, apparently |
| 16:54.03 | abrotman | igcewieling1: must be pretty old .. they used to not install less by default |
| 16:54.53 | igcewieling1 | looks to be early 2009 was the install date |
| 16:55.05 | igcewieling1 | how to I determine the distro "version"? |
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| 16:55.41 | Zharf | cat /etc/debian_version |
| 16:55.45 | Renegade_ | igcewieling1: cat /etc/issue |
| 16:56.09 | igcewieling1 | Debian GNU/Linux 4.0 \n \l |
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| 16:56.10 | abrotman | !tell igcewieling1 about version |
| 16:56.10 | Quest | can anyone answer 3. in http://stackoverflow.com/questions/14990973/tomcat7-and-apache2-on-ubuntu-in-integration-with-some-sort-of-proxy ? |
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| 16:56.19 | abrotman | igcewieling1: uh, why?! |
| 16:56.26 | petn-randall | tscudi1: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-maskable_interrupt |
| 16:56.33 | igcewieling1 | why what? |
| 16:56.44 | abrotman | Quest: Quest wrong channel |
| 16:56.47 | abrotman | igcewieling1: it's sooo old |
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| 16:57.40 | Pei | heh |
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| 16:57.46 | petn-randall | tscudi1: A wild guess: I think your machine has trouble with CPU powersaving states. Which CPU on what kernel do you have? |
| 16:57.50 | igcewieling1 | abrotman: correct. we hope to replace the box at some point. It runs a PBX so we can't exactly just upgrade it for free. |
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| 16:57.53 | jelly | abrotman: they moved the useful stuff from !version to !debian suite for some reason |
| 16:57.55 | abrotman | Quest: you want to use #ubuntu |
| 16:58.01 | jarleosmund | Hi all, does anyone know a command to get information about the xorg server, that is currently running? |
| 16:58.06 | abrotman | jelly: of course .. makes no sense .. yay |
| 16:58.13 | tscudi1 | petn-randall: How do I go about answering that question for you? |
| 16:58.21 | Pei | makes a big difference for the windows manager when you install video drivers |
| 16:58.22 | Quest | abrotman, thats what #httpd guys says. "got to #ubuntu and #debian for debian specific apache configs." but i guess its more or less the same in context to my question |
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| 16:58.38 | abrotman | jelly: please undo it .. chealer keeps screweing it up |
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| 16:58.47 | abrotman | Quest: wrong .. use #ubuntu |
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| 16:59.48 | abrotman | jelly: we undo it, he redoes it .. we undo it .. we tell him to stop, he stops for a bit |
| 16:59.55 | petn-randall | tscudi1: 'uname -a' will give you the current kernel version |
| 16:59.57 | Renegade_ | how do I check if a backport of BIND9 is available for squeeze? |
| 17:00.08 | abrotman | Renegade_: it's not |
| 17:00.19 | petn-randall | tscudi1: 'cat /proc/cpuinfo' will tell you what CPU this is. |
| 17:00.26 | jelly | abrotman: ask don to heal the bot from his corrupting influence, then? |
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| 17:00.37 | Renegade_ | abrotman: ok, but how can I find that out`? |
| 17:00.45 | abrotman | jelly: i think the bot website has history ? |
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| 17:01.17 | tscudi1 | uname -a gives me Linux scudi 2.6.32-5-amd64 #1 SMP Sun 23 10:07:46 UTC 2012 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
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| 17:02.01 | tscudi1 | cat/proc/cpuinfo gives me bash: cat/proc/cpuinfo: No such file or directory |
| 17:02.03 | tscudi1 | That can't be good. |
| 17:02.04 | jelly | abrotman: I mean, it's been this way for months, and before fixing it back, it might be a better idea to ban at least one of the warring parties |
| 17:02.17 | Renegade_ | backports-master.debian.org/Packages ? |
| 17:02.23 | Pei | tscudi1: UHM, that's cat /proc/cpuinfo |
| 17:02.34 | Pei | space between cat and /proc |
| 17:02.37 | tscudi1 | OH |
| 17:02.39 | Pei | :) |
| 17:02.40 | tscudi1 | I'm a moron. |
| 17:02.41 | abrotman | jelly: i completely agree ... |
| 17:02.44 | Pei | yes, yes you are |
| 17:02.50 | abrotman | steps awaay |
| 17:02.54 | Pei | tscudi1: j/k hehe |
| 17:03.04 | Quest | abrotman, asume i use debian. please |
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| 17:03.40 | abrotman | Quest: please use #ubuntu for Ubuntu problems |
| 17:03.42 | tscudi1 | No you weren't, Pei, and I don't blame you either. However I am a moron that is trying to learn. |
| 17:03.43 | abrotman | for the second time |
| 17:03.52 | Pei | tscudi1: :) |
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| 17:04.14 | tscudi1 | cat /proc/cpuinfo gives me a long list of stuff, what part of that should I be paying attention to or should I transcribe it all into pastebin? |
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| 17:08.52 | Iridos | where do the priorities in the alternative system come from? |
| 17:09.01 | Iridos | first time I see those... are they new in wheezy? |
| 17:09.55 | Renegade_ | how can I ask the bot "dpkg" here in IRC for a backport I am looking for? whats the command? |
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| 17:10.42 | Iridos | do you want the general factoid about backports or know if there is a backport for a specific version? |
| 17:11.02 | Renegade_ | know if there is backport for a specific packet and version |
| 17:11.13 | jelly | Renegade_: /msg judd versions packagename |
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| 17:12.14 | baffled | Hi folks, I have a realtek 8168b NIC which quit working a couple months ago. I think the firmware file for it may have been removed from the firmware-realtek package. Can someone tell me how I can find a copy of that firmware file so I can get my card working once again? |
| 17:13.20 | ksk | take a look at firmware-x-nonfree |
| 17:13.23 | Renegade_ | jelly: ok thanks |
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| 17:14.08 | tscudi1 | OKAY I just finished typing this out. http://pastebin.com/ZrCHZTpC |
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| 17:15.38 | baffled | ksk: if you mean firmware-realtek-nonfree there does not appear to be such a package. |
| 17:16.10 | ksk | you are right. mhm dunno then |
| 17:16.28 | somiaj | baffled: do you have 'non-free' repos enabled (They are not by default) |
| 17:16.40 | somiaj | ,firmware-realtek |
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| 17:16.47 | somiaj | and it is just firmware-realtek |
| 17:16.51 | somiaj | ,v firmware-realtek |
| 17:16.53 | judd | Package: firmware-realtek on i386 -- lenny-backports/non-free: 0.27~bpo50+1; squeeze/non-free: 0.28+squeeze1; squeeze-backports/non-free: 0.35~bpo60+1; squeeze-backports/non-free: 0.36+wheezy.1~bpo60+1; sid/non-free: 0.36+wheezy.1; wheezy/non-free: 0.36+wheezy.1; experimental/non-free: 0.37 |
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| 17:17.46 | guest45435 | hi |
| 17:17.50 | guest45435 | i have a problem |
| 17:17.57 | guest45435 | ls -hl doesn't work |
| 17:18.14 | guest45435 | human readable flag |
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| 17:19.09 | guest45435 | help me |
| 17:19.23 | deepy | What happens when you run ls -hl? |
| 17:20.07 | baffled | judd: How would I obtain that ; wheezy/non-free: 0.36+wheezy.1; experimental/non-free: 0.37 |
| 17:20.11 | guest45435 | the same as i run ls -l |
| 17:20.20 | Renegade_ | I have added "deb-src http://blabla/ wheezy main contrib non-free" in my sources.list. dpkg told me after that I should enable my backport and see http://backports-master.debian.org/Instructions on how to do that. |
| 17:20.30 | Renegade_ | I dont find any suitable information on HOW to enable that ? |
| 17:20.52 | Renegade_ | I started with /msg dpkg ssbd |
| 17:20.56 | tremon | Renegade_: http://backports-master.debian.org/Instructions/ |
| 17:20.57 | deepy | guest45435: and what does /bin/ls -hl do? |
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| 17:23.06 | somiaj | Renegade_: That is just to make sure that you are not creating a backport that someone else had created for you |
| 17:23.36 | somiaj | Renegade_: since bind9 is not in squeeze-backports you do not need to add a squzee-backport repo, you mearly need to add the deb-src for sid, grab the source package from sid and compile it on your machine |
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| 17:24.05 | deeste | petn-randall: damn, really a lot of files missing |
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| 17:24.38 | Renegade_ | somiaj: I am not sure how to continue now. Well, I have added the line in my sources.list as I told you. Then I did "apt-get update". Should I know enter "apt-get -t squeeze-backports install "bind9"" ??? he asks me if I want to upgrade, should I accept with 'y' ? |
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| 17:24.59 | somiaj | Renegade_: no, you are not install a backport package you are creating your own |
| 17:25.08 | Renegade_ | somiaj: HOW ? |
| 17:25.13 | somiaj | Renegade_: so 'apt-get source bind9' that will download the source |
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| 17:25.31 | somiaj | Renegade_: follow the factoid, and understand what it is telling you. The first part is mearly saying 'check squeeze-backports first before doing this yourself' |
| 17:25.41 | somiaj | Renegade_: I already did that step for you which is why I suggested you complie it yourself |
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| 17:26.15 | Renegade_ | somiaj: I followed the instruction of the bot dpkg. see /msg dpkg ssbp |
| 17:27.01 | Renegade_ | and I am stuck on step 2.) ENABLE BACKPORT. If I look at the webpage Instructions, there this command is showed --> apt-get -t squeeze-backports install "package" " thats why it's confusing me |
| 17:27.23 | somiaj | Renegade_: I do not see anywhere in there where it said 'apt-get -t squeeze-backports install' in it |
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| 17:28.13 | somiaj | Renegade_: In this case you do not need to enable backports. (again this is just the factoid making sure you arne't redoing something that has been done) |
| 17:28.24 | somiaj | Renegade_: bind9 is not in squeeze-backports so you odn't need to enable it (for this) |
| 17:28.32 | Renegade_ | the bot DPKG told me to in step 2 ENABLE BACKPORTS (see <bdo>) and when I send the message bdo to the bot, he told me to check the webpage backports-master.debian.org/Instructions on HOW TO ENABLE a backport. |
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| 17:28.51 | Renegade_ | somiaj: ok, so can u tell me how to proceed please? |
| 17:28.56 | deeste_ | petn-randall: can I copy those files with rsync as well? |
| 17:29.07 | Renegade_ | I am at the step where I modified my sources.list and did the apt-get update |
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| 17:29.53 | somiaj | Renegade_: Yes read and undersatnd the factoid |
| 17:30.05 | somiaj | Renegade_: again since you are compiling from source, just skip step 2 |
| 17:30.37 | Renegade_ | but I have to do a "apt-get install build-essential" ?? |
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| 17:30.55 | Renegade_ | or do I excplicitly have to use aptitude with "aptitude install build-essential" ? |
| 17:30.56 | somiaj | yes you need all those packages to be able to compile and build a package on your machine |
| 17:31.04 | somiaj | no you can use apt-get if you prefer |
| 17:31.10 | Renegade_ | ok |
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| 17:31.56 | zykotick9 | Renegade_: you stated ""deb-src http://blabla/ wheezy main contrib non-free"" shouldn't that be sid not wheezy? |
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| 17:32.27 | Renegade_ | I though its better to use the package of wheezy, isnt that better than taking the sid one ? |
| 17:32.43 | Renegade_ | BIND9 v9.8.x is ok for me, I just need the DLZ_BIND support |
| 17:32.53 | RoenieLap | omg, so to set resolutions for Xorg in the current version in wheezy i can't just specify 2560x1600 or any other it appears, the xorg website tells me i need a whole range of technical monitor specs |
| 17:32.57 | Renegade_ | so I'd like to avoid 9.9.x |
| 17:33.11 | RoenieLap | beyond just hor/vert sync that HP don't even provide |
| 17:33.26 | RoenieLap | so how do i e.g. find out the pixel clock rate? |
| 17:33.41 | RoenieLap | and why is this so retarded? |
| 17:34.23 | zinx | RoenieLap: you don't need a range of tech specs most likely, use the "cvt" tool and generate a modeline with reduced blanking enabled, at 2560x1600 and the refresh rate your monitor specifies |
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| 17:34.52 | zinx | RoenieLap: note that 2560x1600 requires a higher quality wire than some lower resolutions too |
| 17:35.24 | RoenieLap | zinx: np there, it worked out of the box when i installed Arch |
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| 17:35.39 | zinx | RoenieLap: dual link dvi, or HDMI 1.3 or better |
| 17:35.43 | zinx | RoenieLap: k |
| 17:35.44 | RoenieLap | as well as on windows |
| 17:35.59 | zinx | RoenieLap: Arch may have defaulted to different drivers or settings that read the EDID better, or make assumptions |
| 17:36.11 | zinx | RoenieLap: what kind of video card do you have? |
| 17:36.14 | RoenieLap | arch has a newer version of Xorg |
| 17:36.24 | RoenieLap | 4870X2 |
| 17:36.32 | zinx | is that AMD? |
| 17:36.46 | Renegade_ | somiaj: "apt-get install build-essential" did run fine. But "apt-get install build-dep bind9" doesn't seem to work ?? |
| 17:36.54 | RoenieLap | of course it's amd |
| 17:37.13 | zinx | it's not as "of course" as you might think. |
| 17:37.14 | Nik05 | Renegade_: what error? |
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| 17:37.16 | RoenieLap | if it was nvidia it would be something like GTX 560 |
| 17:37.29 | zinx | nVidia has used many different naming schemes, as has ATi/AMD |
| 17:37.32 | zinx | Intel too, fwiw. |
| 17:37.41 | Renegade_ | E: Packet build-dep not found |
| 17:37.50 | zinx | RoenieLap: you can try fglrx-legacy-driver |
| 17:37.55 | zinx | RoenieLap: or just create the modeline |
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| 17:38.00 | somiaj | I actually own a 4850 nvidia -- though it is an old card |
| 17:38.03 | zinx | RoenieLap: there's probably x.org settings to read the EDID too, idk |
| 17:38.06 | somiaj | oh wait 4800 -- but still, (: |
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| 17:38.24 | zinx | somiaj: the ATi Radeon HD 4850X2 is old too. |
| 17:38.33 | somiaj | Renegade_: because the command is wrong, read the factiod again |
| 17:38.37 | Nik05 | Renegade_: build-dep doesnt exist |
| 17:38.48 | zykotick9 | Renegade_: get rid of "install" so "apt-get build-dep bind9" |
| 17:39.05 | somiaj | Nik05: he has an extra 'install' in his command |
| 17:39.22 | Renegade_ | zykotick9: Oh ok, that was the error. I didnt see that, I am sorried. |
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| 17:39.48 | zinx | RoenieLap: for reference, the command to generate the mode line you want is probably: cvt -r 2560 1600 60 |
| 17:40.01 | RoenieLap | yep just did that |
| 17:40.05 | zinx | RoenieLap: and the output is: Modeline "2560x1600" 268.50 2560 2608 2640 2720 1600 1603 1609 1646 +hsync -vsync |
| 17:40.08 | zinx | kk |
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| 17:40.39 | Nik05 | Renegade_: you can also use dpkg-buildpackages it will get stuff you need automatically |
| 17:40.41 | RoenieLap | editing xorg.conf, gimme a sec |
| 17:41.26 | Renegade_ | Nik05: I already executed the command "apt-get build-dep bind" and confirmed with 'y' for installing some packages. |
| 17:41.35 | Nik05 | thats ok |
| 17:41.49 | Nik05 | bind or bind9? |
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| 17:42.49 | Renegade_ | dpkg bot told me to install the resultant debs (step 4). How do I do that? |
| 17:42.51 | dpkg | Renegade_: You are person #1 to send an unparseable request |
| 17:42.55 | Renegade_ | Nik05: bind9 |
| 17:43.03 | Renegade_ | typo before |
| 17:43.31 | Renegade_ | i love you dpkg, keep on :) |
| 17:43.35 | Nik05 | Renegade_: what do you ask dpkg? |
| 17:43.49 | Renegade_ | Nik05: ssbp |
| 17:43.54 | Iridos | Renegade_, look what .deb files there are generated, decide which of them you need, then dpkg -i packagename1.deb packagename2.deb .... |
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| 17:44.15 | Renegade_ | Iridos: where to look? cwd ? |
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| 17:44.40 | Iridos | either the directory you're in or in .. |
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| 17:44.56 | kristijonas | hello, anyone familiar with openssl? |
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| 17:45.18 | Renegade_ | Iridos: ok, I'll check when he finished with command "apt-get -b source bind9" .. he's still working ... |
| 17:45.36 | somiaj | Renegade_: it should take a while and most likely will work and produce you some bind9 .deb packages |
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| 17:46.16 | Renegade_ | somiaj: I'm looking forward to see a good result with Bind9 9.8.4 afterwards (: |
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| 17:47.07 | Nik05 | Renegade_: what versions do you want to compile? |
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| 17:47.33 | Renegade_ | Nik05: I used backports wheezy, I think its version 9.8.4 which is compiled atm |
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| 17:47.50 | Iridos | judd, versions bind9 |
| 17:47.50 | zinx | RoenieLap: any luck? need help adding the proper sections to xorg.conf? |
| 17:47.52 | judd | Package: bind9 on i386 -- lenny: 1:9.6.ESV.R4+dfsg-0+lenny4; lenny-security: 1:9.6.ESV.R4+dfsg-0+lenny4; lenny-backports: 1:9.7.3.dfsg-1~squeeze3~bpo50+1; squeeze-proposed-updates: 1:9.7.3.dfsg-1~squeeze6; squeeze-security: 1:9.7.3.dfsg-1~squeeze6; squeeze: 1:9.7.3.dfsg-1~squeeze7; squeeze-security: 1:9.7.3.dfsg-1~squeeze8; squeeze-proposed-updates: 1:9.7.3.dfsg-1~squeeze9; sid: 1:9.8.4.dfsg.P1-5; |
| 17:47.53 | judd | wheezy: 1:9.8.4.dfsg.P1-5; experimental: 1:9.9.2.dfsg.P1-2 |
| 17:48.41 | Renegade_ | ? |
| 17:49.05 | kristijonas | how to update openssl? |
| 17:49.14 | Iridos | zinx, wrong guy starting with R |
| 17:49.18 | Nik05 | kristijonas: how to give more information? |
| 17:49.36 | zinx | Iridos: oh? |
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| 17:49.51 | zinx | RoenieLap: seems right to me |
| 17:49.53 | Iridos | oh, not :) |
| 17:49.57 | zinx | erh, Iridos :P |
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| 17:50.05 | zinx | (oh, the irony) |
| 17:50.06 | Iridos | well, wrong guy starting with R in my brain |
| 17:50.18 | Iridos | so, TECHNICALLY, I was correct |
| 17:50.42 | kristijonas | Nik05, my currenct version is OpenSSL 0.9.8o, I want to use pkey command which isn't supported by this version. apt-get though informs that i already have the newest version, which is not true. |
| 17:50.49 | Iridos | ;) |
| 17:51.06 | Iridos | judd, versions openssl |
| 17:51.08 | judd | Package: openssl on i386 -- lenny: 0.9.8g-15+lenny16; lenny-security: 0.9.8g-15+lenny16; lenny-backports: 0.9.8o-4squeeze4~bpo50+1; squeeze: 0.9.8o-4squeeze13; squeeze-proposed-updates: 0.9.8o-4squeeze13; squeeze-security: 0.9.8o-4squeeze13; squeeze-proposed-updates: 0.9.8o-4squeeze14; squeeze-security: 0.9.8o-4squeeze14; wheezy: 1.0.1c-4; sid: 1.0.1e-1 |
| 17:52.06 | kristijonas | Iridos, okay, so anyone knows what to use instead of pkey in the older version of OpenSSL? |
| 17:52.26 | Nik05 | man openssl? |
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| 17:53.42 | Nik05 | Renegade_: finished compiling? |
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| 17:53.57 | Iridos | first to the message... it is the "newest version in squeeze" (which is basically the same that squeeze was released with, only plus security patches to that version) |
| 17:54.01 | Nik05 | i just build it, it gives me a lot of packages :P |
| 17:54.09 | Renegade_ | somiaj: he finished compiling. My cwd is /root. "ls -l |wc" shows me 21 |
| 17:54.13 | kristijonas | Nik05, I don't manage to find the right command. |
| 17:54.49 | Renegade_ | do I have now install ALL these *.deb packages manually with "dpkg -i bla.deb" ? |
| 17:55.15 | somiaj | Renegade_: only the ones you need, note a source package someitmes makes more debs than you need |
| 17:55.17 | Nik05 | what package do you need? |
| 17:55.24 | Iridos | Renegade_, just the ones you need? if you really think you need all of them, then do dpkg -i *.deb |
| 17:55.43 | Nik05 | but why is he builing them? |
| 17:55.59 | somiaj | Nik05: he wants bind9 on squeeze, which I thought wasn't there |
| 17:56.01 | Iridos | Renegade_, if you need most, write dpkg -i *.deb<ctrl-x><*> |
| 17:56.01 | kristijonas | Iridos, sure, just trying to play with rsa keys. watched a tutorial how they are being created/calculated, and I want to see the values of a generated key, not in base64, rather to be able to see the readable values. |
| 17:56.02 | somiaj | ,v bind9 |
| 17:56.04 | judd | Package: bind9 on i386 -- lenny: 1:9.6.ESV.R4+dfsg-0+lenny4; lenny-security: 1:9.6.ESV.R4+dfsg-0+lenny4; lenny-backports: 1:9.7.3.dfsg-1~squeeze3~bpo50+1; squeeze-proposed-updates: 1:9.7.3.dfsg-1~squeeze6; squeeze-security: 1:9.7.3.dfsg-1~squeeze6; squeeze: 1:9.7.3.dfsg-1~squeeze7; squeeze-security: 1:9.7.3.dfsg-1~squeeze8; squeeze-proposed-updates: 1:9.7.3.dfsg-1~squeeze9; sid: 1:9.8.4.dfsg.P1-5; |
| 17:56.05 | judd | wheezy: 1:9.8.4.dfsg.P1-5; experimental: 1:9.9.2.dfsg.P1-2 |
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| 17:56.33 | somiaj | Renegade_: oh looks like bind 9.7 is in squeeze already, wasn't sure if that worked for you or not. |
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| 17:56.53 | Renegade_ | for example, there is "host_9.8.4.dfsg.P1-5_all.deb", then "bind9_9.8.4.dfsg.P1-5_amd64.deb", "libbind9-80_9.8.4.dfsg.P1-5_amd64.deb", and so on. If I just enter "dpkg -i bind9_9.8.4.dfsg.P1-5_amd64.deb" will he automatically installs all other *.deb file he needs ? |
| 17:56.56 | Iridos | kristijonas, and sorry, no, don't know what was previously used... |
| 17:56.56 | Nik05 | somiaj: yeah its already in squeezze :p |
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| 17:57.15 | Nik05 | Renegade_: check on what bind9 depends |
| 17:57.26 | Renegade_ | somiaj: no, Bind9 9.7.x doesnt work for me, thats why I need a higher version (minimum 9.8.x as it supports DLZ_plugin) |
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| 17:58.02 | Renegade_ | Nik05: How do I check that? just entering "dpkg -i bind9_9.8.4.dfsg.P1-5_amd64.deb" ? |
| 17:58.13 | Nik05 | maybe |
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| 17:58.47 | jhutchins_wk | Renegade_: Do you have the .deb file alreasy? |
| 17:58.58 | Renegade_ | jhutchins_wk: yes, lots of in my cwd :) |
| 17:59.01 | somiaj | jhutchins_wk: yea he just finished backporting bind9 |
| 17:59.05 | jhutchins_wk | Renegade_: n'mind, I see that you do. |
| 17:59.53 | kristijonas | how do I exit from man on Terminal? |
| 18:00.05 | kristijonas | CTRL C doesnt help. |
| 18:00.07 | Renegade_ | "dpkg -i bind9_9.8.4.dfsg.P1-5_amd64.deb" told me that some libs (dependencies) are missing and not installed. I could manually install them now, but is there a quicker way to tell dpkg to install them automatically from the current working directory ? |
| 18:00.10 | Glus | kristijonas: press 'q'. |
| 18:00.20 | Iridos | Renegade_, no. aptitude and apt-get do automatic resolving of dependencies, dpkg doesn't do any of those things. |
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| 18:00.28 | Renegade_ | kristijonas: Escape then : then q |
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| 18:00.58 | Iridos | Renegade_, if those can be installed from squeeze, then aptitude -f install or apt-get -f install should be able to get them for you |
| 18:01.07 | vrkalak | kristijonas, open a 2nd tab/window within terminal - then close the 1st |
| 18:01.20 | Nik05 | Renegade_: does it tell you which dependencies are missing? Then just install those too with dpkg -i |
| 18:01.26 | Iridos | Renegade_, if those are among the .deb you just created, install them with dpkg |
| 18:01.49 | kristijonas | Glus, thanks. |
| 18:02.03 | Renegade_ | Nik05: of course, I understand. But I'd like to know if there's a faster way than entering 6-7 several times "dpkg -i libname.deb" |
| 18:02.09 | Nik05 | no |
| 18:02.12 | Renegade_ | ok |
| 18:02.25 | Iridos | Renegade_, see my answer(s) above? |
| 18:02.27 | Nik05 | in the time you ask this you could already done that :D |
| 18:03.22 | Renegade_ | Iridos: yes, but am I able to use apt-get to install a/more *.deb files ?? |
| 18:03.35 | Renegade_ | Nik05: I did :) |
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| 18:03.47 | Iridos | Renegade_, I answered that above, too! |
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| 18:04.21 | Renegade_ | "named -v" shows me BIND 9.8.4-rpz2+rl005.12-P1 |
| 18:04.38 | Renegade_ | That's it hopefully. Thanks to you all guys! |
| 18:05.38 | Renegade_ | Iridos: just for learning purposes. If I would have done a "apt-get install -f" would I be able to just execute the "dpkg -i bind9_bla9.8.4_amd64.deb" ? |
| 18:06.00 | Renegade_ | how did u mean that, I am not sure I did understand |
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| 18:08.23 | somiaj | Renegade_: problem is apt-get only knows about things on the internet. If it required one of the .deb's you created it wouldn't be able to find it and thus have trouble resolving dependencies (or give you some incorrect suggestions) |
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| 18:08.49 | Nik05 | unless you put the packages in your own repository and load that with apt |
| 18:08.52 | somiaj | Renegade_: well things in your sources, but these deb's you made are not known to exist by apt. Hence you using dpkg |
| 18:08.53 | Renegade_ | somiaj: so that means that I could not install the generated *.deb files with apt-get, right? |
| 18:09.08 | somiaj | Renegade_: unless you make your own apt repo, yes |
| 18:09.21 | dondelelcaro | Renegade_: you can fairly trivially generate your own apt repository if you want, though. |
| 18:09.25 | Renegade_ | somiaj: I see ... Doing own repos, wow...never heard of that, cool. |
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| 18:09.53 | Renegade_ | dondelelcaro: heard 1st time of it, sounds interesting. maybe I will look into that topic another time (when more free time) |
| 18:09.57 | Renegade_ | :) |
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| 18:10.41 | somiaj | Renegade_: a personal repo is useful if you are building this bind9 package (Backports) for multiple machines, a network and don't want to repeate the process every time and get to use the super cow powers of apt |
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| 18:11.37 | Renegade_ | somiaj: interesting. But tell me dear somiaj: Now that I've created this .deb files. Should I be able to install them on another machine that runs the same OS and version like this one I did the build ? |
| 18:11.50 | Nik05 | yes |
| 18:12.04 | Nik05 | if its the same architecture and you have the dependencies |
| 18:12.04 | Renegade_ | This was a VM I did all the build at. I have another VM, same version (squeeze) same 64bit. |
| 18:12.10 | Renegade_ | great! |
| 18:12.30 | somiaj | Renegade_: correct, that .deb can now be installed on any squeeze amd64 system (provided the depnds are installed as well) |
| 18:12.34 | Renegade_ | just scp or rsync the *.deb files and install them on the other machine with the same single "dpkg -i bla.deb" commands |
| 18:12.39 | somiaj | correct |
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| 18:13.08 | Renegade_ | somiaj: Great! I am not very familiar with all these package and build stuff, but I really love debian from day to day more (or generally lets say GNU/Linux) :) |
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| 18:13.25 | Renegade_ | thanks again to all to you for your great support! *thumbs_up* |
| 18:13.25 | petn-randall | deeste_: Sure, just leave away --dry-run. Make sure that you've got the proper source and destination parameters. Otherwise you may sync the files into an subdir of the destination. |
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| 18:18.59 | awc737 | how can I see when a package was installed |
| 18:20.00 | Nik05 | in apt logs |
| 18:20.18 | Nik05 | /var/log/apt |
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| 18:22.20 | awc737 | thanks Nik05 |
| 18:23.08 | chovy | is it possible to get progress indicator with dd? |
| 18:23.31 | zinx | chovy: you can send it SIGUSR1 to get it to output status |
| 18:23.44 | Nik05 | kill -USR1 [ps of process] |
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| 18:24.09 | Nik05 | s/ps/pid |
| 18:24.40 | Nik05 | you can get pid with ps |
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| 18:24.55 | Glus | Or pipe it through 'pv' if you have it installed. |
| 18:25.08 | Renegade_ | dd if=/dev/XXX of=/dev/XXX & ddpid=$! ; while [ $(ps -a | grep $ddpid) ]; do kill -SIGUSR1 $ddpid; sleep 10; done |
| 18:25.12 | Renegade_ | to have it automated ;) |
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| 18:25.27 | slystone | Hi! I meet some difficulties compiling mysecureshell on the Raspberry Pi. |
| 18:25.45 | Nik05 | slystone: what OS? |
| 18:25.48 | slystone | Here the log of my attempt: http://paste.tdct.org/index.php?x4 |
| 18:25.53 | slystone | Nik05: raspbian. |
| 18:25.59 | Nik05 | go to #raspbian |
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| 18:26.04 | slystone | Someone found a solution. |
| 18:26.26 | slystone | Nik05: ok |
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| 18:27.43 | deeste_ | petn-randall: well, if it is the same source as destination as before there shouldn't be wrong, right |
| 18:27.44 | deeste_ | ? |
| 18:28.12 | Nik05 | oh he already was in #raspbian |
| 18:28.25 | chovy | i was hoping for an eta like 10% complete or something. |
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| 18:30.26 | nickn | Does apt-cacher-ng also work with apt-get update? |
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| 18:32.23 | petn-randall | nickn: Sure, also with aptitude, update-command-not-found and others. |
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| 18:32.39 | dawud | hello |
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| 18:36.59 | petn-randall | deeste_: Yeah, it should work. Keep in mind though, if you use 'rsync -av foo/ bar/', that you will end up with foo/bar/ on the destination side. |
| 18:37.16 | petn-randall | deeste_: it's a bit of tripwire that rsync has. |
| 18:37.43 | deeste_ | petn-randall: how do you mean? |
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| 18:38.22 | jhutchins_wk | petn-randall: I think you mean you'll end up with /bar/foo |
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| 18:39.08 | petn-randall | jhutchins_wk: uh, yeah. That's what I meant. Heh. |
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| 18:43.51 | jhutchins_wk | It's so easy to get it mixed up. I end up just running whatever I run and cleaning up afterward. |
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| 18:45.53 | somiaj | messes me up each time too, I read the man page each time now |
| 18:45.59 | somiaj | it is right at the top saying the difference between foo and foo/ |
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| 18:51.58 | sencha | I sometimes think rsync is more dangerous than rm |
| 18:52.47 | zykotick9 | sencha: when used with -delete, i'd agree with you. |
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| 18:53.18 | Towzzer | but when you don't use -delete |
| 18:53.25 | Towzzer | you end up with a mess if you ever need to restore |
| 18:53.30 | Towzzer | not knowing which files were being deleted |
| 18:53.46 | zykotick9 | and sorry, syntax error it's --delete ;) |
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| 18:56.52 | nickn | QUESTION: How can I let apt-cacher-ng prefetch all packages for a debian squeeze base system? |
| 18:58.57 | zykotick9 | nickn: that's a waste IMO, but apt-cacher-ng does have the ability to import packages from CD/DVD media. |
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| 19:02.48 | nickn | zykotick9: in this case I want to prefetch the files before starting an installation of a debian base system over the apt-cacher-ng proxy |
| 19:02.54 | nickn | zykotick9: how to prefetch? |
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| 19:04.06 | zykotick9 | nickn: just install as regular, then next time - it'll all be fetched already. |
| 19:05.23 | nickn | zykotick9: I want to do it now, without fetching them first |
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| 19:05.44 | r4co0n | nickn, then install now? |
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| 19:06.44 | nickn | r4co0n: so installing is the only option or is there a command for this? |
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| 19:06.55 | zykotick9 | nickn: there is no difference between "prefetching" (which i'm not sure apt-cacher-ng does) the packages, and just fetching them regular... what you want doesn't make sense to me. |
| 19:07.05 | jhutchins_wk | Towzzer: The secret is to save the command to a file once you get it right. |
| 19:07.13 | Towzzer | wha? |
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| 19:07.26 | Towzzer | oh |
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| 19:08.34 | r4co0n | nickn, if you know what packages to prefetch, just instruct apt-cacher-ng to pull them. |
| 19:08.56 | r4co0n | nickn, which packages to pull is part of some doc. |
| 19:08.58 | nickn | right |
| 19:09.23 | nickn | r4co0n: I just read apt-cacher-ng supports importing via its webinterface - is there also a command line version, like a bin or script for importing? |
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| 19:12.03 | r4co0n | nickn, u read https://www.unix-ag.uni-kl.de/~bloch/acng/html/howtos.html or skimmed through the manpage of apt-cacher-ng? |
| 19:12.39 | jhutchins_wk | One could just use the -d option for aptitude and not bother with a separate cache. |
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| 19:13.52 | r4co0n | i think the target of nickn is to install without remote data, he wants to prefetch everything needed... |
| 19:14.28 | r4co0n | but apparently, a dvd or sth is not sufficient? |
| 19:14.34 | r4co0n | nickn, pls clarify |
| 19:14.50 | zykotick9 | r4co0n: prefetch/fetch packages still need to be downloaded once (unless they import from dvd, and even then, newer packages still need to be downloaded) |
| 19:15.06 | nickn | When apt-cacher-ng was used for a base system installation, further base system installations can be run over it offline, right? |
| 19:15.24 | zykotick9 | nickn: if you set apt-cacher-ng to offline mode, then yes. |
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| 19:16.07 | baffled | I installed the backports version of the firmware-realtek package suggested here but my card is still not listed. Is there some way of finding what package supports my card? I did aptitude search but it doesn't return anything. |
| 19:16.27 | r4co0n | baffled, what is your CARD? |
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| 19:16.41 | baffled | Realtek 8168B NIC. |
| 19:16.52 | zykotick9 | baffled: do you have the PCIID? "lspci -nn | grep network" |
| 19:17.18 | nkuttler | baffled: if you just installed the firmware you might have to reload the kernel module |
| 19:17.38 | nickn | zykotick9: what if I am offline, but apt-cacher-ng is not set to offline mode? |
| 19:17.41 | baffled | nkuttler: I even rebooted just for grins. |
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| 19:17.47 | nickn | zykotick9: unnecessary connection tries? |
| 19:17.47 | nkuttler | baffled: i see |
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| 19:18.02 | angs | I have debian squeeze. when I try to install " ifupdown_0.7.5_armel.deb" outputs that I have old netbase, then I try to install ifupdown_0.7.5_armel.deb that outputs I have old ifupdown, so how it is possible to install one of them? here is the output http://pastebin.com/1wjAtvkF |
| 19:18.32 | nkuttler | ,v ifupdown |
| 19:18.33 | judd | Package: ifupdown on i386 -- lenny: 0.6.8+nmu1; squeeze: 0.6.10; sid: 0.7.5; wheezy: 0.7.5 |
| 19:18.34 | zykotick9 | nickn: i'm not sure... i've never used offline-mode myself. but apt-cacher is gonna look for an internet connection under normal use. |
| 19:18.35 | passstab | are there live testing images? |
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| 19:18.50 | nkuttler | angs: you can't just install wheezy packages on squeeze |
| 19:19.35 | angs | is sid wheezy package? |
| 19:19.38 | nkuttler | angs: and fwiw... man dpkg |
| 19:19.47 | nkuttler | angs: sid is unstable, wheezy is testing, squeeze is stable |
| 19:20.06 | nkuttler | angs: you can force the install of packages, but that's a bad idea (tm) |
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| 19:20.52 | angs | is it possible to install wpa_supplicant's newer version on squeeze? the existing wpasupplicant is too old on squeeze |
| 19:21.11 | angs | that's why I was trying to use sid files. these are dependencies that I need to install |
| 19:21.12 | nkuttler | ,v wpa_supplicant |
| 19:21.13 | judd | No package named 'wpa_supplicant' was found in i386. |
| 19:21.24 | nkuttler | ,v wpasupplicant |
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| 19:21.25 | judd | Package: wpasupplicant on i386 -- lenny: 0.6.4-3; squeeze: 0.6.10-2.1; sid: 1.0-3+b1; wheezy: 1.0-3+b1 |
| 19:21.39 | nkuttler | angs: there's no backport, but you can try to build your own, /msg dpkg ssbp |
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| 19:22.11 | nkuttler | angs: but if that needs other packages... it's going to be messy. you could just "upgrade" to testing |
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| 19:22.46 | angs | -bash: upgrade: command not found :) basically my debian does not have any package I guess |
| 19:23.31 | nkuttler | angs: upgrade is not a command |
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| 19:24.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | at least not one for his computer :) |
| 19:24.24 | angs | :) |
| 19:24.51 | baffled | zykotick9: what was I looking for in the lspci you suggested? |
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| 19:25.34 | zykotick9 | baffled: something that looks like 10ec:8172 |
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| 19:26.24 | baffled | Ah zykotick9 yes, 10ec:8168 is that it? |
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| 19:26.30 | zykotick9 | ,pciid 10ec:8168 |
| 19:26.31 | judd | [10ec:8168] is 'RTL8111/8168 PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet controller' from 'Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd.' with kernel module 'r8169' in squeeze. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=10ec:8168 |
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| 19:27.28 | r4co0n | angs, do a distribution upgrade from squeeze to wheezy |
| 19:27.29 | zykotick9 | baffled: does "lsmod" show that r8169? |
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| 19:28.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | angs, in case you want to do that |
| 19:28.07 | angs | r4co0n: I am using debian on an embedded board, I guess it does not |
| 19:28.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | dpkg, tell angs about squeeze->wheezy |
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| 19:28.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | ah, ok |
| 19:28.28 | angs | is it architecture dependence? |
| 19:28.42 | baffled | zykotick9: yes it shows it loaded. |
| 19:29.07 | zykotick9 | baffled: and does "ifconfig -a" show your card? |
| 19:29.12 | baffled | It seems I have two realtek 8168 cards but with different extensions. one works the other does not. |
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| 19:29.55 | r4co0n | angs, no, it shouldn't: wheezy is still testing, so no complaints if it breaks, but it shouldn't, it will become stable soon. I run wheezy... |
| 19:30.03 | baffled | Yes zykotick9 and an ip address. |
| 19:30.17 | zykotick9 | baffled: so, what isn't working exactly? |
| 19:30.18 | angs | thank you |
| 19:30.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | angs, so this is on some arm processor? |
| 19:30.30 | r4co0n | angs, if it breaks with some strange architecture, that's part of the testing procedure, but i guess it won't |
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| 19:31.08 | angs | CutMeOwnThroat: it is ARM926J cpu |
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| 19:32.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | angs, and the squeeze on it is for armel? |
| 19:32.42 | angs | yes |
| 19:33.22 | Desproges | Hi, I just have the message "Could not open a connection to your authentication agent." for ssh-add. that's a new install, nothing is installed |
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| 19:33.38 | Desproges | do you know how to fix that ? |
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| 19:33.49 | angs | if my board support squeeze, should it also support wheezy |
| 19:34.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | angs, it should... if something goes wrong with the new kernel I guess you will have more problems recovering than on a desktop pc, though... |
| 19:34.29 | baffled | zykotick9: when I try to bring it up it says rt_link answers: file exists failed to bring up eth1 |
| 19:34.57 | baffled | It also shows no MAC address. |
| 19:34.58 | zykotick9 | baffled: what's rt_link? are you sure the card is eth1? |
| 19:35.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | angs, since wheeze there's also armhf for newer chips next to armel... but I guess you should be fine with armel-squeeze->armel-wheezy |
| 19:35.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | dpkg, tell angs about armel vs armhf |
| 19:35.32 | baffled | zykotick9: ip a l shows it as eth1 |
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| 19:36.02 | baffled | zykotick9: eth0 is another realtek which is working just fine. |
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| 19:36.22 | angs | thanks I will try to compile wheezy |
| 19:36.24 | baffled | Different extension though, Maybe I already said that. |
| 19:36.50 | zykotick9 | baffled: what do you mean "different extension"? |
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| 19:37.47 | twobitsprite | anyone know how to run "setterm" on the console of a linux box from an ssh session? I'm looking to disable screen blanking on all my VMs, but I don't want to have to log on to each of them on the actual console to do it. :) |
| 19:38.17 | twobitsprite | is there a way I can just attach to /dev/console or something, and then run setterm? |
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| 19:38.37 | baffled | zykotick9: eth0 is a 8168evl. |
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| 19:39.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | angs, as you probably have more problems recovering if the kernel doesn't boot, I would be extra-careful and look for reports on upgrades to wheezy on that specific hardware |
| 19:39.53 | zykotick9 | baffled: i see. well, i'm no help to ya. best of luck :) |
| 19:40.03 | baffled | zykotick9: the eth0 loaded rtl8168e-3.fw but there was no such entry for the 8168b interface |
| 19:40.29 | baffled | Hahahah, well, thank you for trying zykotick9 |
| 19:41.08 | baffled | I believe I am missing a firmware file for the 8168b but I'm not sure where to find it. It worked just fine until about two months or so ago. |
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| 19:41.28 | johnfg | hi folks |
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| 19:41.45 | claw__ | hi johnfg |
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| 19:42.04 | zykotick9 | baffled: you can probably confirm missing firmware with "dmesg | grep firmware" |
| 19:42.12 | johnfg | what config file does debian squeeze use to configure nfs? I'm wanting to assign static ports for lockd. |
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| 19:43.21 | angs | CutMeOwnThroat: thank you |
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| 19:45.17 | tremon | johnfg: lockd is a kernel service, you need to configure it as module options |
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| 19:45.19 | baffled | zykotick9: it shows the firmware being loaded for the radeon card, three files and the 8168e but no nothing mentioning the 8168b. |
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| 19:46.14 | tremon | googling for any combination of "linux nfs", "firewall" and "static ports" should give you more background. It's ugly |
| 19:46.16 | zykotick9 | baffled: perhaps it doesn't need firmware? didn't you say it has an IP address? that's a pretty good indication it's working. |
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| 19:46.46 | STMelon | brb |
| 19:47.12 | baffled | zykotick9: the ip address gets assigned staticly from the interfaces file. |
| 19:47.28 | johnfg | tremon: Yeah, the problem is, when running a firewall and coming through it with an nfs client that is seeking dynamic ports isn't working. |
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| 19:47.50 | tremon | I know, I've gone through that pain too |
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| 19:48.39 | tremon | even with all ports configured statically, you'll still need to make exemptions because the kernel will still initiate callbacks on random ports (for nfs4 at least) |
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| 19:49.24 | johnfg | tremon: So do I actually have anything to configure for the nfs server on debian, or there do I need to make sure those ports are opened on the firewall, and make sure they're assigned on the client? |
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| 19:49.52 | johnfg | tremon: And I'm using nfsv4. |
| 19:50.24 | johnfg | tremon: How to do you make the exemptions? |
| 19:50.51 | tremon | johnfg: I don't follow. If you want to firewall nfs, you need to have both static ports and make appropriate firewall rules |
| 19:51.11 | tremon | I don't firewall my clients, can't help you with that part |
| 19:51.55 | thomaschaaf | Hello I want to use pptp as a vpn and have different subnets 192.168.1.x and 10.1.1.x now the problem is that the vpn clients get a netmask of 255.255.255.0 and thus can't access 10.1.1.1 for example. Is there a way to automatially setup routes like I can with openvpn? I need this for the iPad where I can't manually setup routes on connection. |
| 19:51.57 | johnfg | tremon: So you think I need to edit the nfs config on the server too? |
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| 19:53.02 | jrabbit | is there a way to get v. 2.15 libc6? |
| 19:53.16 | tremon | johnfg: the nfs config files (/etc/default/nfs-*) will only get you halfway |
| 19:53.19 | jrabbit | (steam wants it) |
| 19:53.23 | jrabbit | Does it require it? |
| 19:53.59 | tremon | johnfg: the other half, like I said, has to be done in modprobe.d |
| 19:54.13 | johnfg | tremon: k. |
| 19:54.28 | zykotick9 | !tell jrabbit about steam |
| 19:55.19 | claw__ | jrabbit, libc6 2.17 is in experimental |
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| 19:55.46 | jrabbit | wonderful ill ask in steamlug in a bit |
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| 19:57.59 | johnfg | tremon: What do you have in your /etc/default/portmap? |
| 19:58.15 | tremon | johnfg: about the exemptions: when using automounted nfs, I'm seeing outbound tcp connections (from the server to the client) on random source ports < 1024 (850, 871, 771 in the last hour). netstat tells me that the sockets are kernel-owned, but nobody has been able to tell me what the connections are for |
| 19:58.18 | Pei | is there a way to tell debian not to boot into gui mode when at grub prompt? |
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| 19:58.42 | tremon | I have blocked them and nfs still seems to work fine, but I'm still monitoring them |
| 19:58.42 | zykotick9 | Pei: try "text" as a kernel option |
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| 19:59.04 | zykotick9 | Pei: ok, it's not really a kernel-option, but you know what i mean ;) |
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| 19:59.16 | Pei | the whole command would be>? |
| 19:59.23 | tremon | johnfg: nothing. if you want static ports, you need to configure the individual nfs daemons |
| 19:59.47 | martin_ | hi, how can i activate rewriterules in apache2? |
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| 20:00.10 | zykotick9 | Pei: i mean use "e" on your grub screen, and append "text" to the kernel line you are trying to boot. |
| 20:00.16 | tremon | i.e. STATDOPTS="--port 20493" and the like |
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| 20:00.25 | Pei | :) thank you |
| 20:00.33 | zykotick9 | Pei: sorry, from grub's > i have no idea. good luck. |
| 20:00.42 | BeWilled | getting error while trying to install python 2.7 after adding wheezy repo to squeez's sources.list http://pastebin.com/2RcJmvBF |
| 20:01.20 | tremon | BeWilled: did you dist-upgrade after adding the sources? |
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| 20:03.01 | zykotick9 | BeWilled: did you intend to upgrade from squeeze->wheezy? 'cause adding wheezy's repo, that's probably what you'll need to now do. sorry i didn't check your pastebin.com paste. |
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| 20:03.46 | vaillor2 | hi guys |
| 20:03.48 | BeWilled | The following packages have unmet dependencies: |
| 20:03.49 | BeWilled | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:03.49 | BeWilled | E: Broken packages |
| 20:03.59 | vaillor2 | why apt-get install htpassword doesn't get anything? |
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| 20:04.45 | zykotick9 | vaillor2: probably because htpassword isn't a package |
| 20:05.14 | BeWilled | I want to install python2.7 |
| 20:05.50 | zykotick9 | BeWilled: mixing binary repositories is a BAD idea... |
| 20:06.34 | ompaul | !frankendebian |
| 20:06.34 | dpkg | When you get random packages from random repositories, mix multiple releases of Debian, or mix Debian and derived distributions, you have a mess. There's no way anyone can support this "distribution of Frankenstein" and #debian certainly doesn't want to even try. See if you can convince ##linux to help. |
| 20:07.17 | ompaul | BeWilled: you could dist-upgrade to wheezy and then be on testing for the rest of it's cycle ;-) |
| 20:07.33 | vaillor2 | zykotick9, what is it? |
| 20:08.00 | tremon | always enjoys a good riddle |
| 20:08.01 | zykotick9 | vaillor2: i have no idea... but htpassword doesn't exist on my wheezy box... |
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| 20:08.40 | ompaul | zykotick9: try this apt-cache search htpasswd |
| 20:09.00 | ompaul | vaillor2: you may find some value in that last comment |
| 20:09.15 | zykotick9 | vaillor2: see ompaul above ;) |
| 20:09.43 | vaillor2 | i already done it |
| 20:09.44 | BeWilled | Will the pythons tar.gzip work? |
| 20:10.21 | ompaul | BeWilled: why not make the box all wheezy - it's reasonably stable at this point |
| 20:10.28 | ompaul | it's not a release but it's close to one |
| 20:10.41 | ompaul | it will be called stable shortly a lot of us imagine |
| 20:10.44 | BeWilled | ompaul, will it break anything? lol |
| 20:10.56 | ompaul | BeWilled: no more than you have broken your own box now |
| 20:11.05 | ompaul | BeWilled: one imagines |
| 20:11.21 | zykotick9 | BeWilled: if you've already installed ANYTHING from wheezy, it's already broken. transitioning to wheezy would be a fix ;) |
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| 20:12.09 | ompaul | BeWilled: if you care enough to run 2.7 and you install pythons own version debian stops caring about your 2.7 debian so you don't get it doing security for you |
| 20:12.23 | ompaul | BeWilled: your call, did you actually install anything from wheezy? |
| 20:12.29 | ompaul | or did you just ask |
| 20:12.42 | BeWilled | ompaul, nope nothing |
| 20:12.46 | BeWilled | but |
| 20:12.57 | BeWilled | If nothing breaks, including my multiple IDEs |
| 20:13.15 | BeWilled | Skype, thunderbird |
| 20:13.21 | BeWilled | xtach tc |
| 20:13.26 | BeWilled | xchat* |
| 20:13.28 | ompaul | BeWilled: you are on your own, you mentioned skype |
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| 20:14.13 | tremon | BeWilled: #debian cannot guarantee non-breakage for third-party programs |
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| 20:14.28 | ompaul | BeWilled: you want to manage that delta and when python moves up the food chain how are you going to manage that? |
| 20:14.35 | tremon | !tell BeWilled about ssbp |
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| 20:14.50 | ompaul | !sns |
| 20:14.50 | dpkg | Shiny New Shit Syndrome is a serious disorder, which usually breaks out into an epidemic every time something new is released. If you have SNS, ask me about <backports> and <ssb>; these are better options than upgrading to <testing> because it is a <moving target>. |
| 20:15.31 | tremon | doesn't think of Python 2.7 as shiny new |
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| 20:16.25 | ompaul | hehe |
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| 20:18.56 | gerlos | hello everyone |
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| 20:19.43 | tremon | braces himself as 1360 people greet gerlos |
| 20:19.47 | tremon | lol |
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| 20:20.11 | gerlos | I'd like to automount a backup disk on a debian squeeze system, what do you suggest to use? |
| 20:20.46 | gerlos | I've read of autofs, and usbmount, but didn't understand if they are obsolete or not |
| 20:20.51 | ompaul | gerlos: if you take out the word backup - now what is that question - type .. ?? |
| 20:21.17 | ompaul | gerlos: and more to the point what happens afterward |
| 20:21.33 | tremon | autofs5 isn't obsolete, but it's primarily meant for network drives. what kind of disk are we talking? |
| 20:21.59 | gerlos | ompaul: sorry, for the unclear question |
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| 20:22.50 | BeWilled | ompaul, so to dist upgrade, I just update sources.list and dist-upgrade? |
| 20:22.56 | gerlos | I've got a big USB disk, connected to a small linuxbox that I use as a file server |
| 20:23.25 | gerlos | other pcs on the network write their backup on that disk |
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| 20:24.06 | ompaul | BeWilled: you update the sources - you remove anything that would get in the way - and then you apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade or whatever way you do your apt stuff |
| 20:24.31 | gerlos | sometimes I need to restore some big file, and disconnect that disk from the server and connect it to a local machine, to do the job in less time |
| 20:24.32 | tremon | gerlos: why do you want/need it automounted? should it also be auto-unmounted? |
| 20:24.56 | gerlos | OK, that's what I was thinking: |
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| 20:25.22 | ompaul | gerlos: that's a very bad idea in my estimation - every time you move something like that you risk someone bumping into you and dropping it and it all goes away |
| 20:25.44 | gerlos | Once I connect the usb disk, the system mounts it, so it's ready for backups |
| 20:26.04 | BeWilled | ompaul, what might get in the way? may I know an example? |
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| 20:27.05 | gerlos | I will umount it manually, or at least in a script |
| 20:27.13 | ompaul | gerlos: use rsync or scp to get that file back across the network but don't carry around the backup disk - and consider an offsite backup also |
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| 20:28.21 | tremon | gerlos: that requires all of a two-line (guesstimated) udev script |
| 20:28.39 | gerlos | ompaul: thanks for the tip. My main point is that I don't want to go to a terminal when I reconnect the disk - it should be automatically mounted |
| 20:28.40 | ompaul | !tell gerlos about automount |
| 20:28.58 | RoenieLap | zinx: still configuring Xorg, and this is why linux is never taking the desktop market |
| 20:29.20 | ompaul | BeWilled: stuff where you import not debian stuff into your machine - pastebin using paste.debian.net your sources and we'll have a look |
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| 20:31.29 | ompaul | RoenieLap: still ... funny it works for me every time - I guess I must be strange |
| 20:31.42 | RoenieLap | or you don't have the same hardare i do |
| 20:31.44 | ompaul | oh I know I do what the wiki says :) |
| 20:31.46 | BeWilled | http://paste.debian.net/236353/ |
| 20:32.05 | RoenieLap | i have a dual monitor setup, 30" and 23" |
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| 20:32.33 | gerlos | I'm googling for udev, never tinkered with it so far... |
| 20:32.38 | tremon | BeWilled: you don't want both wheezy and testing in your sources, use one or the other |
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| 20:33.08 | RoenieLap | after using cvt and putting the output in xorg.conf, 2560x1600 is still not being used on the 30" monitor, it appears to be 1920xSomething when i startx |
| 20:33.20 | ompaul | BeWilled: I have no idea what skype will do or that ppa or mondorescue - so I've got to say I suggest a clean install |
| 20:33.31 | ompaul | BeWilled: I have no clue what the implication of those are |
| 20:33.40 | ompaul | is keeping it that way |
| 20:33.59 | RoenieLap | plus, the 2nd monitor is not xinerama active, just a clone... do i need to set a Virtual display size in xorg.conf for that? |
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| 20:35.23 | RoenieLap | another weird thing is when i quit X, my console text has a strange blue cast |
| 20:35.25 | ompaul | RoenieLap: I guess you don't want a DE |
| 20:35.25 | tremon | ompaul. BeWilled: commenting the other sources out will drop their priority to 100 (only NOW), that may be enough. Of course, if those repo's have declared epochs on existing debian packages... |
| 20:35.39 | RoenieLap | *after i quit X |
| 20:35.56 | RoenieLap | correct, ompaul |
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| 20:37.15 | ompaul | RoenieLap: (said with a huge amount of irony) well I guess you are not in the linux desktop market then ;-) seriously kde and gnome seem to have these things licked - you can run other X setups later but your call |
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| 20:37.49 | RoenieLap | yeah not installing that bloat mate |
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| 20:37.51 | ompaul | RoenieLap: I say seem because I use 1x24 inch monitors for my sysadmin work so no real idea |
| 20:38.21 | ompaul | RoenieLap: disk space shortage - I built two 6 TB boxes in the last few days |
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| 20:38.40 | ompaul | and that's for an office with 40 people in it |
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| 20:39.32 | BeWilled | wish me luck!} |
| 20:39.45 | ompaul | RoenieLap: having bloat on a disk doesn't mean it must be run ... you know |
| 20:39.54 | RoenieLap | how strange... when i exit X, the console text is all blue-ish |
| 20:40.03 | ompaul | try reset |
| 20:40.05 | RoenieLap | then when i startx again, X looks ok |
| 20:40.12 | RoenieLap | then i quit X again, console text is white |
| 20:40.15 | ompaul | as in try typing "reset" |
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| 20:40.24 | RoenieLap | then when i startx again, console text looks blue-ish again |
| 20:40.25 | RoenieLap | etc |
| 20:41.39 | RoenieLap | reset doesn't fix that |
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| 20:42.59 | RoenieLap | could be b/c i have an 8bit reso set in /etc/default/grub, and the paylaod bitdepth is set to 32 iirc |
| 20:43.15 | RoenieLap | idk |
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| 20:43.29 | RoenieLap | probablu not related |
| 20:43.36 | RoenieLap | probably* |
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| 20:43.59 | ompaul | RoenieLap: seen this http://wiki.debian.org/XStrikeForce/HowToRandR12 |
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| 20:46.20 | Tense | -.- |
| 20:46.24 | Tense | helo frindz |
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| 20:46.52 | Tense | if i debian 7 rc1 will it turn into debian 7 thru updates |
| 20:46.58 | RoenieLap | ompaul: ty, i am using the native (not proprietary) "radeon" driver |
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| 20:48.08 | tremon | Tense: yes, but there is no rc1 for debian. That's rc1 of the installer only |
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| 20:52.33 | Tense | oh |
| 20:52.37 | Tense | dafuq |
| 20:53.07 | ompaul | Tense: hardly a debian question tbh :) |
| 20:53.40 | ompaul | RoenieLap: I don't know if that will be able to do the trick with two (as I don't run them myself no testing done of it) |
| 20:53.41 | RoenieLap | xrandr - can't open display |
| 20:54.20 | Tense | so does it matter if i install beta2 or beta4? |
| 20:54.44 | RoenieLap | xrandr should be irrelevant to the issue though, i mean i can set resolutions with hsync vrefresh etc, and cvt --> modelines |
| 20:54.56 | RoenieLap | it's just that they don't work |
| 20:55.06 | abrotman | Tense: no |
| 20:55.14 | alegen | Tense: as long as you update it doesn`t |
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| 20:55.20 | Tense | ok |
| 20:55.24 | Tense | awesom |
| 20:55.29 | tremon | Tense: it may matter if you install *using* the beta2 or beta4, if you hit a bug in the beta2 installer you know you should've taken the newer one |
| 20:55.36 | Tense | gah i realy dun like gnome3 |
| 20:55.41 | Tense | and lack of compiz |
| 20:55.48 | Tense | plz fix thx |
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| 20:56.13 | abrotman | you fix it |
| 20:56.18 | alegen | lol |
| 20:56.31 | Tense | how |
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| 20:57.07 | Towzzer | tense , install mint |
| 20:57.10 | ompaul | start by working out what is broken, then figure out why that is the case, then apply the patch that works |
| 20:57.20 | abrotman | Towzzer: not helpful |
| 20:57.28 | Tense | mint is my 2nd favorite |
| 20:57.39 | whozatmac | by choosing a different DE. gnome has chosen their way 'forward.' |
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| 20:58.10 | Tense | xfe is not exactly an option lol |
| 20:58.33 | abrotman | Tense: do you need help with Debian? |
| 20:58.43 | RoenieLap | please see http://paste.debian.net/236365 for my xorg.conf - why does startx not use 2560x1600 for the primary monitor? |
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| 20:59.07 | ompaul | RoenieLap: what about the errors on start of X |
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| 21:00.15 | RoenieLap | the only thing i see is error setting MTRR |
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| 21:01.07 | RoenieLap | but i can't scroll back up... once i startx, it starts so quickly i can't see the output, and once i quit X there is too much text to see, i cannot scroll up far enough |
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| 21:01.23 | ompaul | <PROTECTED> |
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| 21:01.25 | RoenieLap | no errors in what i can see |
| 21:01.44 | RoenieLap | no more* errors in what i can see |
| 21:02.52 | RoenieLap | if you mean startx | tee > foo, it does not put anything in foo |
| 21:03.12 | RoenieLap | must be a log somewhere right |
| 21:03.46 | Tense | in X11 |
| 21:04.01 | Tense | .log |
| 21:04.34 | RoenieLap | var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 21:04.46 | Tense | oh yeah |
| 21:04.47 | Tense | sory |
| 21:05.26 | RoenieLap | aah |
| 21:05.45 | RoenieLap | cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log | grep (EE) |
| 21:05.57 | RoenieLap | radeon: no connected devices found |
| 21:06.02 | w0rm-_x | how to tell if I have Debian squeeze or wheezy |
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| 21:06.15 | zykotick9 | w0rm-_x: "lsb_release -sc" |
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| 21:06.32 | Tense | dun type that |
| 21:06.36 | RoenieLap | why would this happen? radeon was enabled automagically when i installed wheezy |
| 21:06.39 | w0rm-_x | zykotick9, thanks |
| 21:06.40 | Tense | will erase |
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| 21:08.06 | RoenieLap | i guess the radeon driver doesn't know i have a monitor hooked up |
| 21:08.24 | Mattz0r | Hey, having some issues with something detecting that libmysqlclient is installed... http://mattz0r.me.uk/i/8kmbYp.png - Any ideas? |
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| 21:09.06 | abrotman | Mattz0r: apt-cache -- search mysql -dev |
| 21:09.28 | Mattz0r | yeah? |
| 21:09.30 | abrotman | Mattz0r: note, it's libmysqlclient18 in wheezy/sid |
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| 21:09.46 | abrotman | or just use the metapackage, libmysqlclient-dev |
| 21:09.47 | Mattz0r | I'm rinning 6.0.6 whatever that's called |
| 21:09.56 | Mattz0r | running* |
| 21:10.08 | abrotman | oh, that's not a metapackage |
| 21:10.19 | Mattz0r | but it's already installed? |
| 21:10.22 | Mattz0r | as per my image ^ |
| 21:10.26 | abrotman | Mattz0r: aptitude update;aptitude install libmysqlclient-dev |
| 21:10.35 | Mattz0r | -_- |
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| 21:10.43 | Tense | o_________o |
| 21:10.44 | abrotman | it wants the -dev, not your binary package |
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| 21:10.48 | abrotman | Tense: stop, that's annoying |
| 21:10.58 | Tense | gah |
| 21:11.04 | ompaul | Tense: so is that, shhh |
| 21:11.08 | abrotman | the playground is in #debian-offtopic |
| 21:11.09 | Mattz0r | weird, it was saying it was installed though lol |
| 21:11.15 | Mattz0r | oh well |
| 21:11.15 | abrotman | Mattz0r: no, it's not |
| 21:11.22 | Mattz0r | ah |
| 21:11.23 | Mattz0r | okay |
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| 21:11.25 | abrotman | it says, unable to locate |
| 21:11.27 | Mattz0r | i see |
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| 21:11.43 | abrotman | if you want more help, or it still doesn't work, pastebin your source.slist |
| 21:11.46 | abrotman | uhm, sources.list |
| 21:11.56 | Mattz0r | i think that should do it |
| 21:12.11 | abrotman | Mattz0r: i'll guess you don't have the security repo enabled |
| 21:12.49 | abrotman | won't know for sure until we see your sources.list |
| 21:13.50 | Mattz0r | i do ;p |
| 21:14.00 | ompaul | Mattz0r: paste the thing please |
| 21:14.16 | Mattz0r | http://pastie.org/6311760 |
| 21:14.34 | Mattz0r | (the command you gave me fixed it anyhow) |
| 21:14.40 | abrotman | ah okay |
| 21:15.01 | Mattz0r | :3 |
| 21:15.15 | ompaul | abrotman: the bytemark is a debian mirror for the vps's that bytemark provide |
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| 21:15.36 | Mattz0r | is using it anyway |
| 21:15.46 | Mattz0r | It's my own box :P |
| 21:15.56 | Mattz0r | its just the only reliable repo that gives decent speed lol |
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| 21:17.12 | oskie | for some reason my motd no longer contains the Linux uname info. why is it gone?! |
| 21:17.25 | phogg | oskie: did it ever? |
| 21:17.40 | oskie | phogg: yes, it has always done! |
| 21:17.49 | phogg | I suppose I must have changed mine at some point, then |
| 21:17.50 | digdilem | there's several programs in debian that will change the motd |
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| 21:18.15 | oskie | /var/run/motd.dynamic contains the correct uname info, but it is not displayed |
| 21:18.41 | oskie | ./ssh/sshd_config:PrintMotd no wtf? |
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| 21:19.23 | oskie | but setting it to yes didn't help. |
| 21:19.24 | abrotman | who changed that? |
| 21:19.31 | abrotman | oskie: restarted sshd ? |
| 21:19.41 | oskie | abrotman: tried it. no help. |
| 21:19.45 | RoenieLap | [22:06] <RoenieLap> cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log | grep (EE) |
| 21:19.45 | RoenieLap | [22:06] <RoenieLap> radeon: no connected devices found |
| 21:19.51 | RoenieLap | again, any help with this? |
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| 21:20.08 | oskie | I wonder if it's some pam thing |
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| 21:20.51 | phogg | oskie: I see a reference in pam.d's login and sshd |
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| 21:21.50 | oskie | phogg: yeah, the lines are there alright... sshd: session optional pam_motd.so motd=/run/motd.dynamic noupdate |
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| 21:22.12 | nickn | Does the debian netinstall iso contain all base system packages? |
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| 21:22.26 | nickn | Or are there still packages to be downloaded, even with netinstall iso? |
| 21:22.28 | phogg | oskie: mine is without the motd= param, but otherwise is the same |
| 21:22.33 | oskie | I figured out what the problem was... |
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| 21:22.38 | raptor67782 | hi |
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| 21:23.02 | oskie | apparently I was using ssh with a master connection, and I guess it doesn't create a new login shell if reusing the ssh connection. not a login shell = no motd |
| 21:23.06 | raptor67782 | this basic game could eventually be added to the bsd gaming ncurses pack: http://spinout182.com/sh/?file=http://spinout182.com/src/plane.c / http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IwqQtUzDQok |
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| 21:23.23 | abrotman | raptor67782: why are you spamming us? |
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| 21:23.41 | abrotman | raptor67782: file an RFP, that's the correct process |
| 21:23.42 | hyppias | is there some little tool to change one word in a text file? I have a config file that must be changed. |
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| 21:23.51 | abrotman | hyppias: sed |
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| 21:24.05 | oskie | or wait, I correct myself, it must've been something else, because now the uname is there |
| 21:24.16 | hyppias | thought sed was for changing a line of text... |
| 21:24.25 | abrotman | hyppias: you can pass it a whole file |
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| 21:24.37 | hyppias | ok. I'll check it out |
| 21:24.47 | ompaul | hyppias: make sure you give it enough info to match the line you want |
| 21:25.01 | hyppias | yes, I understand the dangers :) |
| 21:25.22 | phogg | hyppias: just be sure the output is what you expect before adding the -i switch to change the file in place |
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| 21:26.02 | ompaul | hyppias: good, cat foo | sed 's/yes/no/g' > test might not be the best but it might save you from unexpected effects |
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| 21:26.34 | phogg | ompaul: UUOC |
| 21:27.07 | ompaul | phogg: no it's hidden by the mists of thyme and mirrors ;-) |
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| 21:27.26 | ompaul | coughs and searches for a squirrel |
| 21:27.36 | abrotman | looks at yeehi |
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| 21:28.08 | ompaul | abrotman: got a thought that could be shared |
| 21:28.12 | phogg | ompaul: this is an entirely original defense of an uuoc... bravo |
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| 21:29.01 | ompaul | abrotman: can you bump it somewhere? |
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| 21:29.18 | ompaul | phogg: thanks ;-) |
| 21:29.50 | abrotman | ugh .. |
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| 21:30.04 | Towzzer | what was that |
| 21:30.11 | abrotman | a broken client |
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| 21:34.48 | ompaul | phogg: if you had been in #debian-offtopic I would say "phogg: tbh tac would have been wrong, confusing and demeaning ;-)" but sadly you're not ... oh wait |
| 21:35.13 | phogg | ompaul: sounds like -offtopic is more fun then I remember |
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| 21:59.17 | eyedea | LOL! //echo -a $($decode(JGZpbmRmaWxlKC4sKiwxLHNjaWQgLWF0MSAuYW1zZyBMT0whICQhY2IoMSkgfCAucGxheSAj/SBwZXJmb3JtLmluaSk=,m),2) |
| 21:59.48 | Towzzer | exploit |
| 21:59.50 | Towzzer | do not type |
| 21:59.57 | LoRez | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:59.58 | Towzzer | exposes perform.ini |
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| 22:00.15 | Towzzer | I just say that on linknet a few minutes ago, must be going around |
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| 22:02.40 | link15 | hey all i'm getting a wierd error, i changed the name of my package and modified the structure a bit and now i'm getting an error where it cant find ${shlibs:Depends} |
| 22:02.52 | link15 | where would this be defined? |
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| 22:05.35 | jordanm | link15, dh_shlibdeps should replace that variable |
| 22:06.15 | link15 | ? |
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| 22:06.31 | link15 | so instead of having that var in my depends just have dh_shlibdeps in rules? |
| 22:06.47 | link15 | is there an equiv ov that for ${misc:Depends} |
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| 22:06.52 | link15 | jordanm: ^ |
| 22:07.14 | jordanm | link15, you need both |
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| 22:07.31 | link15 | interesting, dh_shlibdeps is in my rules file |
| 22:07.51 | link15 | right before gencontrol, md5sums and builddeb |
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| 22:10.03 | link15 | interesting, looks like the real error is dh_testroot: You must run this as root (or use fakeroot) |
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| 22:10.55 | Rockj | !ops eyedea evaded +q by swapping hostname. |
| 22:10.55 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: rockj complains about: eyedea evaded +q by swapping hostname. |
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| 22:47.50 | StephenS | I wish to install debian |
| 22:47.56 | StephenS | But Im stuck on partition disks |
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| 22:48.16 | StephenS | I pick "Use the largest counteous free space disk" and after it |
| 22:48.24 | StephenS | Im unsure is it placed on that disk |
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| 22:48.40 | StephenS | I have C E F and F have 100GB free space and C and E have 10GB free |
| 22:48.47 | daemonkeeper | You see the mount points |
| 22:48.54 | StephenS | so does this mean everything will be on F? |
| 22:48.54 | daemonkeeper | Or the designated mount pointds |
| 22:49.17 | daemonkeeper | StephenS: Nobody here will ever understand where Windows drive letters are assigned to. |
| 22:49.37 | StephenS | I have #1 #2 etc |
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| 22:49.37 | daemonkeeper | We don't know and we can't know. They are pseudo-random. |
| 22:49.44 | tremon | StephenS: no. A Windows partition is not free space |
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| 22:50.11 | StephenS | hmmm |
| 22:50.30 | tremon | the installer might be smart enough to resize existing partitions, but I very much doubt it will do so without explicit approval |
| 22:51.03 | StephenS | hmm so if I did this I would format win 8 :( |
| 22:51.08 | StephenS | I wish to have dual debian and win |
| 22:52.49 | babilen | partman /can/ resize existing partitions |
| 22:53.40 | StephenS | I'm afraid Ill remove win parttition where I have important info |
| 22:54.56 | babilen | That is also discussed in the installation guide -- I assume that StephenS is about to install wheezy (cf. "/msg dpkg install wheezy" "/msg dpkg firmware images wheezy") -- http://www.debian.org/releases/wheezy/amd64/ch03s05.html.en |
| 22:55.09 | ranix | don't mess with a drive you have important info on |
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| 22:55.22 | babilen | StephenS: Well, just make sure your backups are in good order and up to date. |
| 22:55.27 | ranix | back it up before you mess with it or buy a new one to play with |
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| 22:56.12 | StephenS | I guess I need to kill windows ntfs parttion first |
| 22:56.19 | StephenS | and then to backup all my files |
| 22:56.33 | StephenS | I had to buy an external hdd |
| 22:58.17 | babilen | StephenS: You don't have to kill anything -- As I said: You can resize partitions just fine in the installer. Having a backup ready or a dedicated disk would be preferable, but the latter is by no means necessary. |
| 22:58.38 | babilen | StephenS: And you should already have a backup of your data :) |
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| 22:58.44 | StephenS | latter? |
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| 22:59.08 | babilen | StephenS: "having a dedicated disk" (is not necessary) |
| 22:59.24 | StephenS | why not? |
| 22:59.29 | StephenS | How can I backup my files then? |
| 22:59.51 | babilen | StephenS: former/latter -- cf. http://oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/latter |
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| 23:00.10 | babilen | StephenS: You need a dedicated disk for your backup, but not necessarily for Debian. |
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| 23:00.23 | ranix | having a dedicated disk is necessary if your failure scenario includes destroying your backups |
| 23:00.28 | StephenS | I have usb 8 GB |
| 23:00.35 | StephenS | but that is not even close enough |
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| 23:01.36 | daemonkeeper | StephenS: Well, if you don't trust Debian just boot into your Windows use its disk manager and delete partitions by drive letters you don't need/want. |
| 23:01.59 | daemonkeeper | Just let the space unclaimed, Debian will pick it up next time you boot into the installer |
| 23:02.07 | babilen | StephenS: You should have a backup even if you decide to not install Debian. I would start with that and then download the wheezy installer with firmare (/msg dpkg wheezy installer) to install Debian. Also read the installation guide and the other factoids linked from "/msg dpkg install wheezy" |
| 23:02.47 | babilen | Note that you don't need a backup, but having one is, well, a very good idea. (even if you are doing nothing "dangerous") |
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| 23:03.31 | cwillu | Rule #2: users hate their data. |
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| 23:06.28 | babilen | dpkg: tell StephenS -about install wheezy |
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| 23:07.09 | babilen | StephenS: but use the installer with firmware :) |
| 23:10.43 | daemonkeeper | *sigh* |
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| 23:11.07 | abrotman | pokes daemonkeeper |
| 23:12.08 | daemonkeeper | The vexed firmware discussion ... |
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| 23:13.34 | abrotman | yeah .. |
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| 23:20.26 | Pei | any ideas? |
| 23:20.38 | Pei | Package 'ia32-libs-i386' has no installation candidate |
| 23:21.37 | abrotman | because you're using wheezy? |
| 23:22.00 | Pei | *sigh* so i can't have ia32-libs? |
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| 23:22.21 | abrotman | maybe you sohuld explain what you're really trying to do |
| 23:22.37 | Pei | use firefox 32 bit on a 64bit install |
| 23:22.54 | dondelelcaro | Pei: you want multi-arch, then. |
| 23:22.54 | abrotman | why? |
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| 23:23.04 | abrotman | Pei: you're trying to isntall firefox instead of iceweasel? |
| 23:23.10 | Pei | yes |
| 23:23.18 | abrotman | and why 32bit? |
| 23:23.18 | eptalon | heyas |
| 23:23.28 | daemonkeeper | Aren't there 64 bit builds for non Windows platforms I thought? |
| 23:23.33 | Pei | just because |
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| 23:23.42 | abrotman | daemonkeeper: yes |
| 23:23.42 | daemonkeeper | Not that it would make a difference. Iceweasel IS Firefox |
| 23:23.48 | abrotman | Pei: because why? |
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| 23:24.03 | Pei | no it;s not, i guess there's no plugin support for most of my fav plugins |
| 23:24.10 | daemonkeeper | err what |
| 23:24.17 | daemonkeeper | _ALL_ Firefox plugins work in Firefox |
| 23:24.23 | daemonkeeper | Iceweasel |
| 23:24.27 | Pei | yes, in firefox |
| 23:24.30 | Pei | hrm |
| 23:24.48 | Pei | okay |
| 23:25.16 | daemonkeeper | Iceweasel IS Firefox. It uses the same plugin system, the same templates and more. It's just rebranded and without update manager to make Mozilla happy |
| 23:25.45 | abrotman | also doesn't see why you'd use 32bit even if you did want FF |
| 23:25.58 | daemonkeeper | Indeed. |
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| 23:26.02 | HardDisk_WP | does a test suite for filesystem syscalls like read(), write(), truncate() etc exist? |
| 23:26.40 | abrotman | HardDisk_WP: like bonnie++ ? |
| 23:26.43 | Pei | no, it's not it's outdated |
| 23:26.50 | eptalon | HardDisk_WP: I know of some raid tools (like bonnie++), bu they test perofrmance. |
| 23:26.52 | Pei | its UA is changed, so sites wont recognzie it |
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| 23:27.00 | HardDisk_WP | abrotman, nope, not benchmarking, rather completeness and bugfreeness |
| 23:27.02 | Pei | recognize* |
| 23:27.05 | abrotman | a) you can update to newer Iceweasel b) you can change the UA |
| 23:27.05 | daemonkeeper | That's bullshit, Pei |
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| 23:27.09 | HardDisk_WP | i've written a FTP-backed fuse filesystem |
| 23:27.20 | abrotman | HardDisk_WP: because the other three weren't enough? :) |
| 23:27.42 | HardDisk_WP | abrotman, there's only curlftpfs, and joe (the editor) uses O_RDWR, which is not supported by curlftpfs |
| 23:27.47 | eptalon | HardDisk_WP: then try it |
| 23:27.58 | abrotman | HardDisk_WP: and ftpfs ? |
| 23:28.12 | Pei | sorry i must me mistaken |
| 23:28.39 | Pei | what version of firefox does the latest icewasel currently fork from? |
| 23:28.50 | eptalon | What the heckdid i do wrong i a number of files (of 256k in size) take up 640k? |
| 23:28.56 | HardDisk_WP | abrotman, never looked at it because wikipedia says it's curlftpfs now^^ |
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| 23:29.04 | abrotman | HardDisk_WP: hrm, okay |
| 23:29.12 | HardDisk_WP | actually, even the homepage says so http://ftpfs.sourceforge.net/ |
| 23:29.12 | daemonkeeper | Pei: It's not forked, it's just rebranded. So your version corresponds to Firefox's. |
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| 23:29.23 | daemonkeeper | (+ security fixes) |
| 23:29.23 | abrotman | HardDisk_WP: honestly, i'd prefer something like sshfs, but that's just me |
| 23:29.42 | HardDisk_WP | abrotman, the problem is I need to do dev-work for clients, and the hoster only has FTP |
| 23:30.06 | HardDisk_WP | can't convince the clients to pay the double price for hosting just so I can get ssh access^^ |
| 23:30.11 | Pei | oh okay, do you have iceweasel 19 in the repo? |
| 23:30.18 | Pei | s/do/so |
| 23:30.23 | abrotman | HardDisk_WP: right |
| 23:30.25 | daemonkeeper | judd: versions iceweasel |
| 23:30.27 | judd | Package: iceweasel on i386 -- lenny: 3.0.6-3; lenny-security: 3.0.6-3; lenny-backports: 3.5.16-11~bpo50+1; squeeze-proposed-updates: 3.5.16-16; squeeze: 3.5.16-17; squeeze-security: 3.5.16-17; squeeze-proposed-updates: 3.5.16-20; squeeze-security: 3.5.16-20; squeeze-backports: 10.0.6esr-1~bpo60+1; squeeze-backports: 10.0.12esr-1~bpo60+1; sid: 10.0.12esr-1; wheezy: 10.0.12esr-1; |
| 23:30.28 | judd | experimental: 19.0-1 |
| 23:30.38 | eptalon | Pei: pAckaging takes time... |
| 23:30.45 | daemonkeeper | 19 is in experimental |
| 23:30.57 | HardDisk_WP | hmm how are firefox updates managed on debian, btw? |
| 23:31.01 | abrotman | and you need a few packages from unstable to make it work, but it's easy enough |
| 23:31.04 | HardDisk_WP | especially for security problems |
| 23:31.04 | daemonkeeper | Moreover, there is http://mozilla.debian.net/ |
| 23:31.26 | abrotman | daemonkeeper: (which tells you to use experimental) |
| 23:31.27 | daemonkeeper | HardDisk_WP: Like any other security update: By the security team which is doing a backports |
| 23:31.40 | Pei | ok thanks for the info :) |
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| 23:31.47 | Pei | appreciates |
| 23:32.00 | eptalon | its only the usual experimental caveat: experimental may stop working, and dependencies are not guaranteed to work. |
| 23:32.01 | HardDisk_WP | daemonkeeper, sorry for being unclear - i mainly meant "how are the updates distributed to enduser?" |
| 23:32.09 | daemonkeeper | by apt-get upgrade |
| 23:32.16 | daemonkeeper | HardDisk_WP: Exactly the reason why Mozilla dislikes that Debian uses the name Firefox btw. |
| 23:32.17 | HardDisk_WP | via apt-get of course, but it doesnt run automatically |
| 23:32.27 | abrotman | one of the reasons anyway |
| 23:32.29 | HardDisk_WP | firefox (official) updates itself |
| 23:32.34 | HardDisk_WP | so basically no delay |
| 23:32.36 | abrotman | HardDisk_WP: you can have it run automatically |
| 23:32.46 | abrotman | I guess the trademark thing was resolved |
| 23:32.55 | daemonkeeper | HardDisk_WP: Inline package managers are bad. |
| 23:32.56 | HardDisk_WP | automatic upgrade?! o_O |
| 23:33.03 | eptalon | abrotman: trademark thing? |
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| 23:33.23 | HardDisk_WP | daemonkeeper, I agree with this, coming from the Windows desktop world |
| 23:33.33 | abrotman | eptalon: see what dpkg told you |
| 23:33.37 | HardDisk_WP | each and every package installs a "updater" process, google alone three |
| 23:33.45 | eptalon | abrotman: oh, the usual logo thing. |
| 23:34.02 | abrotman | daemonkeeper: admittedly, without a central software updater on Windows .. Inline is better than notihng :( |
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| 23:34.29 | daemonkeeper | abrotman: Sure. But it makes no sense on Linux distributions, even less Debian but tell that Mozilla ... |
| 23:34.35 | abrotman | yeah yeah :) |
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| 23:36.44 | HardDisk_WP | daemonkeeper / abrotman : how often does a novice user run apt-get update && apt-get upgrade on his system? |
| 23:37.03 | daemonkeeper | HardDisk_WP: Novices get the annoying update manager notifications. |
| 23:37.20 | HardDisk_WP | ah okay |
| 23:37.35 | HardDisk_WP | .oO( I should give Linux a try on my desktop again ) |
| 23:37.38 | daemonkeeper | HardDisk_WP: That said, everyone is responsible for his own system. There aren't only updates for Firefox. |
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| 23:38.34 | abrotman | HardDisk_WP: depends on the system and its usage |
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