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| 00:01.17 | zykotick9 | NathanWW: "lspci -nn | grep -i vga" what's the PCIID? it'll look like 10ec:8172 |
| 00:02.03 | NathanWW | 01:00.0 |
| 00:02.31 | zykotick9 | NathanWW: that's not it. 4characters:4characters |
| 00:02.54 | zykotick9 | NathanWW: you need the -nn with lspci. |
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| 00:03.33 | NathanWW | ahh crap your right sorry lol |
| 00:05.17 | NathanWW | the entire line reads exactly this "01:00.1 VGA compatible controller [0300]: Silicon Motion, Inc. SM710 LynxEM [126f:0710] (rev a3) |
| 00:05.26 | zykotick9 | ,pciid 126f:0710 |
| 00:05.28 | judd | [126f:0710] is 'SM710 LynxEM' from 'Silicon Motion, Inc.' with no known kernel module in squeeze or in sid. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=126f:0710 |
| 00:06.08 | zykotick9 | NathanWW: that's not a good sign. best of luck! |
| 00:06.50 | NathanWW | so not good lol |
| 00:07.40 | NathanWW | but that works on lenny but not in 6.0.6 |
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| 00:27.24 | amatwo-er | I'm using NetworkManager Applet 0.8.4 - Is checking the 'Available to all users' box one way to make avoid having to unlock a keyring everytime i log in in order to access the wlan? |
| 00:27.59 | amatwo-er | would adding myself to a certain group be a 'better way' ? is the way I've described already, 'available to all users', inherently the least safe way to do this? |
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| 00:30.21 | NathanWW | ive located the video chipset zykotick9 intel 82830 chipset. |
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| 00:30.33 | NathanWW | does that help me out at all? |
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| 00:36.13 | vladino | hi all |
| 00:36.42 | amatwo-er | high vladino |
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| 00:40.30 | NathanWW | i'm running lenny on a toughbook cf-27, mainly because when i install 6.0.6 i get a blank screen. i tryed the diffrent grub boot perams and still never got the video working. so i installed lenny wich works out of the box. now with lenny running on the laptop, is there somthing i can do to figure out the video chipset and to figure out what i need to do once i reinstall 6.0.6 to get video up |
| 00:40.30 | NathanWW | and working? any clues here. i was able to locate the video chipset intel 82830 chipset. but lspci --n gave back [126f:0710] is 'SM710 LynxEM' from 'Silicon Motion, Inc.' with no known kernel module. is there more i can do to get it up or am i totally fubar at this point? |
| 00:42.19 | dondelelcaro | NathanWW: does it work if you don't start X? |
| 00:43.24 | dondelelcaro | NathanWW: and the driver is siliconmotion, so presumably that should work |
| 00:43.33 | NathanWW | i'm not sure. when i installed 6.0.6 it just gave blank screen i could not even ctrl+alt+f# to a console. just blank screen i got the bootup text but nothing after it started x only thing i could do at that point was manualy turn it off. and back on to the same loope. |
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| 00:44.04 | dondelelcaro | NathanWW: ok, so you should be able to boot with init=/bin/bash or similar, and check out /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 00:44.57 | dondelelcaro | NathanWW: or just append single to the boot command line. |
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| 00:45.18 | spirat | Hey, I am using Squeeze, I left the Debian world a few years ago for OpenBSD, and the come back is difficult. Installing a python extension package from the repository doesn't leave the choice of which version of python I want. It uses the default (pyhton 2.6) which is quite old even in the 2.X branch. |
| 00:45.21 | NathanWW | i can boot with grub rescue mode that does work |
| 00:45.37 | spirat | How would I install python-django for python 2.7 or 3.1 ? |
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| 00:52.37 | Devastator | spirat you could check backports I guess |
| 00:52.54 | iderik | Hello, i used the netinstaller but now the internet doesnt work. Could Simone please hela Me? Im chatting with my mobile atm. The command ifconfig doesnt exist. Ifupdown config doesnt exist according to the syslog. |
| 00:53.40 | KsM | iderik: ifconfig is in /sbin |
| 00:53.54 | KsM | i.e. you'd have to put it in your PATH or use /sbin/ifconfig |
| 00:54.03 | one23 | Does the isc-dhcp-server support the same options as bootp? |
| 00:54.12 | one23 | Does the isc-dhcp-server support the same options as bootp? |
| 00:54.23 | Devastator | iderik what's your type of connection? cable modem? adsl pppoe? |
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| 00:56.24 | iderik | I think its adsl, not my router tho, Im in a university appartment. It worked before with debian and Windows |
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| 00:59.17 | iderik | According to ifconfig its using ipv6 and it says "interupt: 29" |
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| 01:00.09 | iderik | Any particular i should look for in syslog ? |
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| 01:02.15 | Devastator | iderik are you saying it worked during the installation but it's not working after the installation? |
| 01:03.01 | iderik | Devastator all i Can say its adsl modem. I don now that pppoe is |
| 01:03.14 | iderik | Correct |
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| 01:05.00 | Devastator | iderik does it still works under windows? |
| 01:05.19 | JNSamuel | erf |
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| 01:06.21 | JNSamuel | p3rror |
| 01:06.27 | JNSamuel | erf! new erf order! |
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| 01:07.16 | spirat | Devastator: Backports for newer versions? Doesn't seem right?? |
| 01:07.51 | spirat | I am trying to educate myself, I'm sorry if it seems obvious, but I don't get it :s |
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| 01:08.16 | Devastator | !tell spirat about backports |
| 01:08.25 | spirat | nice, thanks |
| 01:08.57 | spirat | Devastator: Looks cool, I'm off to investigate it, thank you |
| 01:09.32 | iderik | I formated the whole drive, so i Cant try. It has been working for months on windows and my old debian system |
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| 01:10.17 | Devastator | iderik what changed after the installation? |
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| 01:11.48 | iderik | New version of debian i guess |
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| 01:12.25 | Ergo^ | uname -r shows: 2.6.32-5-amd64 - does this mean im not on latest kernel version? i saw that apt did install updates today |
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| 01:12.56 | Devastator | iderik when in windows did you had to "dial" to get connected or you were "always on"? |
| 01:14.02 | spirat | Devastator: I added the backports repositories to source.list, however I still don't see version numbers in "apt-cache search django", what am I missing? |
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| 01:15.07 | iderik | No, everything was automatic |
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| 01:15.41 | iderik | Cable modem, adsl |
| 01:15.51 | Devastator | iderik check /etc/network/interfaces file to see if you have eth0 or something |
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| 01:16.43 | Devastator | check if you have something like "iface eth0 inet dhcp" as well |
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| 01:17.10 | Devastator | ,versions django |
| 01:17.11 | judd | No package named 'django' was found in i386. |
| 01:17.48 | iderik | Auto lo; iface lo inet loopback; allow-hotplug eth0; |
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| 01:18.51 | iderik | Oh |
| 01:19.15 | iderik | I have that but its commented with a # |
| 01:19.16 | Devastator | iderik add "auto eth0" before "allow-hotplug eth0", then "iface eth0 inet dhcp" after |
| 01:19.26 | amatwo-er | is away: (Nothing to See Here) |
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| 01:19.41 | mrproper | hello. Is there a way to disable single user mode in grub2? |
| 01:20.00 | Devastator | if you already have those lines, uncomment it, save, /etc/init.d/networking restart |
| 01:20.16 | wsky | mrproper: you mean the rescue mode? |
| 01:20.26 | wsky | mrproper: there is |
| 01:20.28 | spirat | I guess I'll have to go try testing |
| 01:20.54 | mrproper | wsky: I mean single user mode. Not delete recovery entries |
| 01:20.57 | Devastator | ,versions python-django |
| 01:20.58 | judd | Package: python-django on i386 -- lenny: 1.0.2-1+lenny3; lenny-security: 1.0.2-1+lenny3; lenny-backports: 1.1.1-1~bpo50+1; squeeze-security: 1.2.3-3+squeeze2; squeeze: 1.2.3-3+squeeze3; squeeze-security: 1.2.3-3+squeeze3; squeeze-backports: 1.4-1~bpo60+1; squeeze-backports: 1.4.2-1~bpo60+2; wheezy: 1.4.3-1; sid: 1.4.4-1 |
| 01:21.49 | Brigo | mrproper: edit #GRUB_DISABLE_RECOVERY="true" |
| 01:21.58 | Brigo | mrproper: en /etc/default/grup |
| 01:22.05 | Brigo | s/en/in/ |
| 01:22.18 | Devastator | spirat is python-django what you want? |
| 01:22.34 | Brigo | s/grup/grub/ :-/ too much whisky, sorry :-) |
| 01:22.35 | zykotick9 | Brigo: you might want to s/grup/grub/ as well ;) |
| 01:22.36 | mrproper | Brigo: that only disable the recovery entry |
| 01:22.55 | Brigo | mrproper: and? |
| 01:22.56 | spirat | Devastator: yes, among other things. pymongo as well. |
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| 01:23.11 | Devastator | ,versions python-mongo |
| 01:23.12 | spirat | Devastator: I'd like python 2.7 also, or the modules above for python 3.1 |
| 01:23.12 | judd | No package named 'python-mongo' was found in i386. |
| 01:23.22 | Devastator | ,versions python |
| 01:23.23 | judd | Package: python on i386 -- lenny: 2.5.2-3; squeeze: 2.6.6-3+squeeze7; sid: 2.7.3-4; wheezy: 2.7.3-4 |
| 01:23.33 | mrproper | Brigo: that I could edit the default opcion and add single at the end of the kernel line |
| 01:23.40 | Devastator | ,checkbackport python |
| 01:23.41 | judd | Backporting package python in sid→squeeze/i386: all build-dependencies satisfied using squeeze. |
| 01:23.54 | spirat | ,version pymongo |
| 01:23.55 | judd | No package named 'pymongo' was found in i386. |
| 01:24.05 | Brigo | mrproper: ok. i see, i think you cant or you easily cant. |
| 01:24.08 | spirat | ,version python-pymongo |
| 01:24.09 | judd | Package: python-pymongo on i386 -- squeeze: 1.7-1; squeeze-backports: 2.0.1-1+bpo60+1; sid: 2.2-4; wheezy: 2.2-4 |
| 01:24.21 | Devastator | spirat you can backport python-2.7 yourself, if that's what you really want |
| 01:24.58 | spirat | Devastator: when you did ,versions python, they say python 2.7 is available for sid and wheezy, can I switch to wheezy? |
| 01:24.59 | Brigo | edit is a basic rescue tool on grub. You want to disable it, but i thinks it is uneasy. |
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| 01:25.35 | Devastator | spirat you can, but it's not really recommended, as wheezy has no security support right now |
| 01:25.49 | Devastator | spirat you can backport python yourself, as I said |
| 01:25.59 | Devastator | !tell spirat about ssb |
| 01:26.01 | spirat | Devastator: well that will do, I'm on a VM, I'll develop and application that I can deploy later, wheezy will be ready by that time |
| 01:26.03 | mrproper | Brigo: ok, thank you very much |
| 01:26.45 | iderik | No DHCPOFFERS recieved. |
| 01:26.46 | spirat | Devastator: it seems easy to backport from sid though, good to know, thank you |
| 01:27.07 | Devastator | spirat welcome :) |
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| 01:29.46 | spirat | Damn, dist-upgrade is cool. Feels good to be back. |
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| 01:30.08 | Devastator | heheh |
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| 01:32.40 | iderik | Devastator No DHCPOFFERS recieved. It searched thru a few intervals (1-14) to 255.255.255.255 port 67 |
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| 01:33.29 | Devastator | iderik are you sure your cable is ok? |
| 01:33.56 | iderik | Could it be something with ipv6? I don think ive used that before. |
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| 01:34.58 | Devastator | nope, because for ipv6 you would need "iface eth0 inet6 dhcp", you said it is "iface eth0 inet dhcp" |
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| 01:37.08 | iderik | I had to try that, but it said Unknown method. |
| 01:38.59 | Devastator | iderik I know it's hard to type from a phone, but can you open some pastebin like codepad.org and type exactly what you have in /etc/network/interfaces? |
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| 01:43.53 | cjh` | Looking at my /var/log/auth.log file I only see events from yesterday, specifically 16 hours ago. I have authd to root and other users have logged in, so I know there should be other events. |
| 01:44.04 | cjh` | Is it possible / do I need to flush the auth log? |
| 01:44.15 | wsky | cjh`: logrotate |
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| 01:44.40 | wsky | cjh`: there shouldbe auth.log.1,2,3,... |
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| 01:45.03 | cjh` | wsky: yes, I thought that auth.log was recent and that numbers went 'back in time' |
| 01:45.37 | zykotick9 | cjh`: they do. just the foo.log should be the most recent. |
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| 01:46.32 | cjh` | drats |
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| 01:47.20 | cjh` | I would've guessed that there was some buffering going on, but 16 hours seems a bit too much for that. |
| 01:48.11 | wsky | ah sorry, i've missread that |
| 01:48.22 | wsky | you mean that it stopped 16 hours ago |
| 01:48.31 | cjh` | yes, sorry if I was unclear. |
| 01:48.42 | cjh` | the last entry (at the bottom) of /var/log/auth.log is from 16 hours ago. |
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| 01:49.17 | cjh` | it is a user logging off for the day, I have none of the activity from today (a few users logging in, me su-ing) |
| 01:49.52 | cjh` | hmmm actually the last entry is from 18 hours ago. |
| 01:50.39 | wsky | have you tried restarting rsyslogd? |
| 01:50.52 | wsky | anything suspicious in dmesg? |
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| 01:51.18 | cjh` | had a lot of traffic last night trying 'random' user names, fail2ban was kept busy. |
| 01:52.26 | wsky | but is the rsyslogd actually running? |
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| 01:52.48 | cjh` | havent tried restarting rsyslogd, I guess it could just be a simple failure. service --status-all reports its still running. |
| 01:52.52 | cjh` | ps aux seems to agree. |
| 01:53.20 | wsky | and strace? |
| 01:53.52 | cjh` | im not familiar with using strace for such things, ill google :) |
| 01:55.10 | cjh` | ohhh I hadn't considered that use case, only ever used it for debugging, silly me. ty wsky. |
| 01:55.18 | wsky | np |
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| 01:58.28 | cjh` | hmmm 'select(1, NULL, NULL, NULL, {34028, 213610}' seems odd, watching NULL fds. |
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| 01:59.11 | awc737 | can anyone suggest what port to use setting up ZNC irc bouncer |
| 02:00.39 | Gavilan3 | 97785 |
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| 02:05.07 | cjh` | #posix says that is equiv to a sleep, after restarting it goes back into a similar state. Still don't seem to be getting any auth.log activity. |
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| 02:06.08 | Devastator | zykotick9 can you help iderik? he is chatting from his phone, after network-manager screwed his /etc/network/interfaces |
| 02:06.43 | Devastator | zykotick9 during the installation internet was fine, but after that he can't get a connection |
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| 02:12.46 | zykotick9 | Devastator: sorry i really can't help (i was quasi-following the issue - i don't know what would be wrong). i'm not much of a N-M fan ;) |
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| 02:13.13 | Devastator | neither me |
| 02:13.25 | Devastator | N-M is a cancer |
| 02:13.31 | wsky | cjh`:actually... |
| 02:13.58 | cjh` | is it possible that syslog is using a different time reference than date gives? |
| 02:14.34 | wsky | actually i'm not sure what's responsible for authentication logging in debian, rsyslogd seems to be quiet when i login here as well |
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| 02:16.38 | cjh` | wsky: ty for that :) |
| 02:16.58 | wsky | auth.log seems to be open by rsyslogd when i run lsof |
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| 02:17.27 | wsky | but strace prints nothing when i connect to the rsyslogd process and do like anything to login |
| 02:18.28 | cjh` | same, im wondering if rsyslog reads from another buffer (say ssh) |
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| 02:20.53 | cjh` | hmm ok, so my auth.log does seem to be growing. I generated some 'unique' traffic (multiple log in and su) and there are now newner events, altough the timestamp is still off |
| 02:22.17 | cjh` | ok, I think I have it. It seems that my auth.log is still using an old timezone, I am not on NZDT but I have a friend who has an old screen session open, he is still on EST and it matches up with the auth.log entries. |
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| 02:22.57 | cjh` | wsky: ty for your time :) |
| 02:23.04 | wsky | i got lots to spare |
| 02:23.10 | wsky | still |
| 02:23.40 | cjh` | phewf, log timezones being outdated is a lot better than someone with root modifying my logs :) |
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| 02:24.28 | wsky | being average in computing makes easy to get paranoid :/ |
| 02:24.42 | cjh` | odd how restarting with service still kept that old timezone, will have to check how service works. |
| 02:24.50 | cjh` | I am a programmer pretending to be a sysadmin :p |
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| 02:29.09 | timmmaaaayyy | is there something special i need to configure if i want both wired and wireless connections to turn on at bootup? for some reason my wifi only turns on if the wired is NOT plugged in at boot |
| 02:29.13 | ikla | whats debians default WM/DE? |
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| 02:30.24 | wsky | timmmaaaayyy: looks like you're getting dhcp offers on both interfaces |
| 02:30.34 | wsky | ikla: whatever you want |
| 02:30.46 | cjh` | ikla: in 6.0 its gnome, in later I think its xfce. |
| 02:30.48 | timmmaaaayyy | yes i am.....it's separate networks though |
| 02:32.09 | wsky | timmmaaaayyy: i'd disable one of them in networkamaner or wicd |
| 02:32.21 | timmmaaaayyy | i want both though.... |
| 02:32.41 | timmmaaaayyy | can i tell wpa_supplicant to ignore the fact that theres a wired connection? |
| 02:33.14 | wsky | well i ment disable then turn it on by hand |
| 02:33.31 | wsky | or write your own init script that delays the wireless |
| 02:33.36 | wsky | eh |
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| 02:34.42 | timmmaaaayyy | aaaah ok i think that's what i need. an init script to just disable/reenable the wireless after it's booted up |
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| 02:35.49 | wsky | imo static configuration of your wireless nic is bad in most cases |
| 02:36.27 | wsky | unless you run a access point or you config your home box wireless |
| 02:36.53 | timmmaaaayyy | i'm not sure what you mean by that... |
| 02:37.14 | wsky | nvm |
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| 02:38.40 | timmmaaaayyy | last question......can i put multiple networks in wpa_supplicant.conf and it'll use whichever one is present? |
| 02:40.06 | wsky | you can use multiple configs |
| 02:40.32 | ksdncv | weird, trying to guess why firefox sometimes would hang taking along a bunch of processes took long enough to find a message "INFO: task *** blocked for more than 120 seconds" and seems to be everywhere. |
| 02:40.37 | wsky | but i prefer wicd-curses |
| 02:41.28 | ksdncv | too bad googling it didnt find anything in common. kill -9 on firefox however would alyways unlock all stuck processes |
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| 02:45.52 | ksdncv | and interestingly, so far since upgraded to wheezy those lockup already happened a few times, everytime triggered by trying to save a file in firefox |
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| 03:01.58 | timmmaaaayyy | i'm trying to learn more about multicast.....does anyone know of an application that i can configure to start blasting out 1 or more multicast streams? |
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| 03:06.56 | ksdncv | and no luck googling at all, every result seems to be related to different cases |
| 03:07.51 | ksdncv | timmmaaaayyy may be vlc or mplayer ? remember you can send video with those, but not exactly what options they had |
| 03:08.02 | ksdncv | video or audio |
| 03:08.10 | timmmaaaayyy | thanks....checking into it now |
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| 03:10.59 | sidewalk | how do i encrypt a directory with its contents in debian? |
| 03:12.17 | sidewalk | what tool do you guys recommend for doing so? |
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| 03:13.59 | wsky | sidewalk: idk, gpg? |
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| 03:14.50 | sidewalk | wsky: tnx |
| 03:14.58 | sidewalk | wsky: how good encryption? |
| 03:14.59 | wsky | np |
| 03:15.18 | wsky | idk, people use it on production |
| 03:15.31 | LtL | sidewalk: gpg is excellent, but i don't think it does directories |
| 03:15.31 | RIVE | sidewalk check http://www.howtoforge.com/how-to-encrypt-directories-partitions-with-ecryptfs-on-debian-squeeze |
| 03:15.41 | wsky | LtL: but a script can |
| 03:15.49 | wsky | i mean do something recursively |
| 03:15.54 | LtL | wsky: yes, that'd work |
| 03:16.12 | sidewalk | tnx guys |
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| 03:19.30 | sidewalk | wsky: uh, what does idk stand for? |
| 03:19.44 | wsky | i dont know :-) |
| 03:19.57 | sidewalk | wsky: you have any url? :) |
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| 03:20.11 | wsky | idk stands for i don't know |
| 03:20.29 | sidewalk | ahw :P |
| 03:21.41 | LtL | sidewalk: install gnupg |
| 03:21.54 | zykotick9 | sidewalk: dpkg knows a lot of TLAs, for next time you can try "/msg dpkg idk" type thing |
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| 03:26.29 | ohoui | does anybody else have streamripper broken on debian 2.6.32-5-amd64 |
| 03:26.39 | ohoui | I am raging quite good |
| 03:27.00 | ohoui | SR_ERROR_CANT_BIND_ON_INTERFACE |
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| 03:38.31 | ohoui | streamripper |
| 03:38.34 | ohoui | anyone? |
| 03:38.49 | ohoui | does it works ok on your debian box? |
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| 03:46.52 | mashihabong | I wonder if there is anyone that can help me solve the problem about rabbitmq on debian on raspberry pi. I keep getting "Seqmentation fault" when I try to start the service. |
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| 03:49.21 | ohoui | <mashihabong> seems either in the code or bad hardware |
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| 03:51.06 | mashihabong | ohoui: i tried to use packages from any available repositories (raspbian, debian's testing and debian's sid)… all packages gives me the same result. |
| 03:51.34 | ohoui | <mashihabong> tried it on different hardware? |
| 03:52.01 | mashihabong | not yet |
| 03:53.07 | mashihabong | ohoui: do you think overclocking can cause this? |
| 03:53.43 | wsky | mullein: it can |
| 03:53.50 | wsky | mashihabong: ^ |
| 03:53.53 | wsky | tabfail |
| 03:54.57 | mashihabong | wsky: ok… i reset back to normal now. let's see what's next. :D |
| 03:55.05 | wsky | :-P |
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| 03:56.15 | mashihabong | the problem is still there... |
| 03:57.54 | mashihabong | ohoui: wsky: could "Seg fault" happens because rpi doesn't get enough power? |
| 03:58.29 | ohoui | the segfault I've seen before were more memory related problems |
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| 03:59.46 | wsky | mashihabong: what have you got in dmesg about the segfault? |
| 03:59.56 | wsky | can you repaste the line here? |
| 04:01.09 | mashihabong | ohoui: wsky: nothing shows up. :P |
| 04:01.15 | wsky | hm |
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| 04:04.21 | mashihabong | I just trace all logs… only auth.log got some updates after trying to start the service. |
| 04:05.06 | wsky | but what about dmesg | grep segfault? |
| 04:05.22 | mashihabong | nothing at all |
| 04:06.41 | jelly-home | mashihabong: are you using debian with armel architecture or raspbian's armhf? An r.pi is not fully compatible with Debian armhf. |
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| 04:08.48 | mashihabong | jelly-home: i'm using raspbian's armhf… so, i have no choice but to use the one with armel, right? |
| 04:09.40 | mashihabong | shutting down rpi. :'( |
| 04:09.51 | jelly-home | mashihabong: you should not use debian packages for arhmf at all on that machine. Also, ask #raspbian about their build |
| 04:10.11 | jelly-home | armhf* dammit |
| 04:10.40 | mashihabong | funny… i actually tried rabbitmq from raspbian earlier. |
| 04:10.52 | mashihabong | but it also presents the same issue. |
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| 04:24.12 | wsky | any good alternatives for conky? |
| 04:24.20 | wsky | for any window manager? |
| 04:24.41 | zykotick9 | wsky: old-school gkrellm (with invisible theme) perhaps? |
| 04:24.42 | wsky | or a comprehensive system monitor? |
| 04:24.57 | wsky | preferably text-based? |
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| 04:25.11 | wsky | zykotick9: gonna look into that |
| 04:25.34 | zykotick9 | wsky: gkrellm is gui... so doesn't sound ideal for your requirements |
| 04:25.53 | wsky | well i need something for dwm |
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| 04:26.16 | wsky | dwm's statusbar wont fit everything |
| 04:26.30 | wsky | so i thought about sacrivicing one tag for such purpose |
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| 04:31.00 | ohoui | does anyone have a problem with streamripper in debian? |
| 04:32.41 | BigMoe | What kind of problem are you having ohoui? |
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| 04:32.51 | cads | hey guys |
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| 04:33.04 | ohoui | SR_ERROR_CANT_BIND_ON_INTERFACE |
| 04:33.20 | ohoui | my interface is a vboxnet interface |
| 04:33.27 | ohoui | but It used to work |
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| 04:33.39 | cads | given a package list produced by my system, how do I identify all the packages that are not dependencies for any other package? |
| 04:33.57 | cads | that is, not dependcies for any other package on the list |
| 04:34.11 | ohoui | just try streamripper http://stream.clubberry.fm:8000/electro |
| 04:34.24 | ohoui | and sorry if you don't like house music... |
| 04:38.45 | ohoui | BigMoe : can you check on your side if it works? |
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| 04:41.10 | LtL | ohoui: seems to be working here |
| 04:41.31 | ohoui | thanks LtL |
| 04:42.00 | LtL | ohoui: youre welcome |
| 04:42.02 | BigMoe | not working for me, sorry |
| 04:42.24 | ohoui | BigMoe: ah? what is the error? |
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| 04:42.59 | BigMoe | starts to open in vlc and just quits...?? |
| 04:43.17 | ohoui | streamripper opens vlc? |
| 04:43.26 | BigMoe | yup |
| 04:43.35 | BigMoe | no |
| 04:43.58 | BigMoe | i'm not using streamripper...sorry i got lost on that one |
| 04:44.15 | BigMoe | i'll install and check it, one min |
| 04:45.15 | ohoui | thanks |
| 04:47.07 | BigMoe | works fine for me! |
| 04:47.15 | zykotick9 | works for me as well. |
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| 04:48.32 | new[] | After upgrading Debian to 6.0.7 from 6.0.6... wireless networks in nm-applet aren't listed and it says i'm disconnected even though I am in fact connected. |
| 04:48.46 | ohoui | I guess I will try from my physical interface |
| 04:48.55 | ohoui | or install it on my gateway machine... |
| 04:48.57 | ohoui | thanks guys |
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| 05:30.04 | notjimcarrey | trying to get my hvr-1950 to work with debian, and i'm getting this in /var/log/error |
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| 05:30.10 | notjimcarrey | cx25840 5-0044: 0x0000 is not a valid video input! |
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| 05:31.47 | kingsley | Is there a command line tool, like dpkg, apt-get or aptitude, that can return a status code indicating whether a newer version of a given package is available? |
| 05:32.18 | kingsley | notjimcarrey: Have you searched Google's indices for ... |
| 05:32.36 | kingsley | notjimcarrey: hvr-1950 "is not a valid video input" |
| 05:32.41 | kingsley | notjimcarrey: ? |
| 05:33.08 | Rusty1 | kingsley: apt-cache policy <packagename> |
| 05:34.37 | kingsley | Rusty1: At least for me, apt-cache policy returns the same status, 0, whether or not a package is upgradable. |
| 05:35.24 | kingsley | Rusty1: I'd like to check return statuses in a script with the shell's "if" statement. |
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| 05:38.37 | Rusty1 | kingsley: theres something like dpkg -- compare-versions, see the man page |
| 05:39.34 | notjimcarrey | kingsley: i don't even know anymore. most of what i've found is useless past 2.6 |
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| 05:45.21 | notjimcarrey | when i try to do a scan in mythtv-setup, eveything is "Locked" |
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| 05:46.32 | zykotick9 | notjimcarrey: does your hvr-1950 require firmware? "dmesg | grep firmware" to confirm it's not missing. |
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| 05:47.29 | notjimcarrey | all the fw files are there and loading |
| 05:48.20 | zykotick9 | notjimcarrey: ok, just checking. with my 1600 the fw is the only thing that prevents OOTB functionality. best of luck. |
| 05:48.50 | notjimcarrey | thanks |
| 05:49.03 | notjimcarrey | think it could be a fw version problem? |
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| 05:49.21 | zykotick9 | ? don't know. |
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| 06:16.49 | yvw | I had configured iptables with a script that would start a SPI type firewall. The start up iptables script is at /etc/network/if-pre-up.d/iptables.sh . Now, the script wont start during bootup. Can anybody say what's wrong? |
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| 06:23.17 | wsky | yvw: ls -l /etc/network/if-pre-up.d/iptables.sh |
| 06:23.51 | yvw | Here's the result of that command: -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 86 Feb 23 19:59 /etc/network/if-pre-up.d/iptables.sh |
| 06:24.05 | yvw | wsky: Please see above |
| 06:24.16 | wsky | seems ok |
| 06:24.41 | mashihabong | ohoui: wsky: jelly-home: rabbitmq is now working. thanks for the help. :D |
| 06:24.42 | wsky | what does the script contain? |
| 06:24.56 | yvw | wsky: rules for iptables |
| 06:25.13 | wsky | can you pastebin it? |
| 06:25.31 | yvw | wsky: yes |
| 06:25.32 | wsky | or wait |
| 06:25.36 | wsky | you don't have to |
| 06:25.41 | wsky | just tell me |
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| 06:26.00 | yvw | wsky: /sbin/iptables-restore < /etc/iptables.up.rules |
| 06:26.18 | wsky | hm |
| 06:26.32 | yvw | wsky: I have rules in /etc/iptables.up.rules |
| 06:26.49 | wsky | and /etc/iptables.up.rules contains the output of iptables-save with the firewall set? |
| 06:27.20 | yvw | wsky: Yes, that's correct |
| 06:28.01 | wsky | and what makes you think that it's not working then? |
| 06:29.03 | yvw | wsky: After booting, debian has only default rules which are ACCEPT for INPUT, OUTPUT and FORWARD. The OS won't start my iptables rules set as defined in the above script files. |
| 06:29.42 | wsky | can you run /etc/network/if-pre-up.d/iptables.sh ? |
| 06:30.15 | yvw | wsky: Yes, the rules are set only after I explicity run /etc/network/if-pre-up.d/iptables.sh after boot up |
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| 06:30.42 | wsky | yvw: try adding #!/bin/sh at the beginning of the script |
| 06:31.02 | yvw | wsky: Yes, that line is already there |
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| 06:32.08 | yvw | wsky: Let me reboot and see |
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| 06:37.37 | yvw | wsky: Hello, the scripts seem fine but iptables rules are not set. Do i have to issue debian.rc-d command to intialize this script during bootup process? |
| 06:38.22 | wsky | well, i supose /etc/init.d/networking should be running to make it work |
| 06:39.31 | wsky | also, i have a wild guess about it, try renaming iptables.sh to iptables |
| 06:43.14 | yvw | wsky: I started /etc/init.d/networking . Does this mean that the script would start again. Its been a while I looked into this. |
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| 06:44.17 | tuv | is wheezy suitable for beginners now or should they stick to squeeze? i'm thinking going wheezy now is probably easier than upgrading to it when it comes out |
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| 06:45.13 | wsky | yvw: i'm not sure about sense of your question (?) |
| 06:45.45 | wsky | and |
| 06:45.48 | wsky | hm |
| 06:45.56 | yvw | wsky: would starting /etc/init.d/networking start or initialize iptables script /etc/network/iptables during bootup in the next boot? |
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| 06:47.31 | wsky | yvw: can you paste a sample line from your /etc/iptables.up.rules? |
| 06:47.39 | wsky | or wait no |
| 06:47.52 | wsky | i'm out of ideas but you've done something wrong |
| 06:47.59 | wsky | works for me |
| 06:48.28 | zykotick9 | tuv: please don't crosspost (even if you change your Nick) to multiple debian channels at the same time. |
| 06:48.38 | yvw | wsky: Let me pastebin the script for you |
| 06:48.45 | wsky | no need |
| 06:49.05 | wsky | if it works by invoking /etc/network/if-pre-up.d/iptables.sh hen it's ok |
| 06:49.25 | wsky | bur seriously i'd try renaming /etc/network/if-pre-up.d/iptables.sh to /etc/network/if-pre-up.d/iptables |
| 06:49.48 | wsky | sounds silly but this is how one of the init scripts might actually work |
| 06:49.55 | tuv | zykotick9: is that all? i thought i was going to get an answer |
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| 06:50.04 | yvw | wsky: I already renamed the file according to what you've said earlier. Here's the pastebin file http://pastebin.com/ufVpBUPJ |
| 06:50.06 | wsky | and this is one of my ideas that you didn't test already |
| 06:50.50 | yvw | wsky: Yes, I have to reboot to test it . Perhaps I should reboot while you see the above code. |
| 06:51.00 | wsky | looks ok |
| 06:52.15 | yvw | wsky: rebooting in a minute |
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| 06:56.18 | yvw_ | wsky: The script is loading during bootup. The error was due to .sh extension of /etc/network/iptables |
| 06:57.14 | yvw_ | wsky: Thanks for your suggestions |
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| 06:59.33 | wsky | yvw_: yw |
| 07:00.17 | wsky | seems that there is a strictly limited variety of scripts that can be run in that directory by default |
| 07:01.28 | yvw_ | wsky: There is some ambiguity but you are right on the number and there are also priorities or various scripts i.e the order of execution, which can be set as I had understood sometime ago. |
| 07:01.43 | yvw_ | of* |
| 07:02.13 | wsky | :-P |
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| 07:04.49 | cinvoke | where do i view what versions will be supported the longest. concerning debian. ? |
| 07:05.50 | yvw_ | cinvoke: No idea but stable releases might be supported for 2-3 years atleast |
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| 07:06.10 | zykotick9 | cinvoke: all releases have the same support duration, they are supported as "old-stable" for 1 year after the new release. |
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| 07:07.24 | wsky | eh, seems that i'll have to build a custom kernel for my rusty laptop, too bad that debian doesnt provide all of toshiba specific drivers by default |
| 07:07.29 | yvw_ | zykotick9: Is it important to upgrade to a new release or running a stable release is enough even for 2 or 3 years when there is no need for new features? |
| 07:07.37 | cinvoke | so i dont need to worry about major releases as long as stable? |
| 07:07.52 | wsky | i guess it's the time to put some interest in distcc |
| 07:08.11 | wsky | i have enogh patience to configure the kernel if it'll compile fast at least |
| 07:08.38 | cinvoke | a long time ago , there was a way to save every package you install to migrate to a new system. how is that best handled now? |
| 07:08.45 | zykotick9 | yvw_: i'm not sure what you mean? it's NOT a good idea to be running a distro without security support. so assuming stable releases are "close" to every 2 years, then you'd typically get 3 years from a debian release. |
| 07:09.38 | yvw_ | zykotick9: If we have security setup on a machine, Is it important to get new types of security every few months or years assuming I have a very restrictive firewall. |
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| 07:09.58 | wsky | too bad that debian is a bit unpredictable |
| 07:10.04 | wsky | in this matter |
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| 07:10.53 | zykotick9 | yvw_: that's for you to decide. if the machine isn't running any services, and isn't accessible by outside world - then perhaps it's not much of an issue... |
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| 07:11.19 | user11552 | Hi, after system update i have problem with my X |
| 07:11.34 | wsky | i wont mentipon the distro name but it has 2 releases every year in same moths! |
| 07:11.36 | user11552 | Here is what happens: http://paste.debian.net/237679 and http://paste.debian.net/237677 |
| 07:11.36 | yvw_ | zykotick9: The machine would be using http,https servives and perhaps running a nfs or ftp server |
| 07:11.38 | wsky | mention |
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| 07:12.01 | zykotick9 | yvw_: well - i would stick to a supported stable release then. |
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| 07:12.38 | cinvoke | zykotick9: so if i want to migrate all my stuff from one machine to another, i know i could just save the data and rerun apt-gets but isnt there a more efficient way to roll it all into something else? |
| 07:13.21 | zykotick9 | cinvoke: you can copy debs from /var/cache/apt/archives/ or look into apt-on-cd (which i've never used myself). good luck. |
| 07:13.46 | wsky | cinvoke: can't you use rsync? |
| 07:13.52 | cinvoke | sure |
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| 07:14.19 | cinvoke | wsky: would i just rsync the debs and data? |
| 07:14.58 | wsky | well i do not quite know what do you mean by "all your stuff" |
| 07:16.21 | wsky | sorry i haven't read your previous messages |
| 07:16.40 | cinvoke | wsky: lots of installs , lamp stuff, daemons, configs, frameworks... lets say i was going to a different machine, same distro/version |
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| 07:17.31 | wsky | i'd just rsync it with patience and update fstab/grub |
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| 07:18.28 | wsky | unless the new machine has a prepared system already |
| 07:18.34 | wsky | then humm |
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| 07:19.06 | mefistofeles | hey, anyone have any odea how to get a battery indicator in gnome 3 in debian wheezy? |
| 07:19.09 | mefistofeles | idea* |
| 07:19.15 | cinvoke | wsky: patience as a virtue or is this a helper app? |
| 07:19.37 | wsky | :-D |
| 07:19.44 | wsky | no, i didn't mean an app |
| 07:20.00 | cinvoke | wsky: just making sure :) so many apps now |
| 07:20.35 | wsky | yeah, and you do not even think about apples or blackberies when you hear apple or blackberry anymore |
| 07:20.55 | wsky | anyways |
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| 07:21.31 | cinvoke | wsky: so true |
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| 07:24.51 | seravitae | hi, is there some sort of boot arg i can set that is a bit lower level than single user/recovery mode? halfway through boot in single user mode, screen goes blank, no response. |
| 07:25.09 | seravitae | trying to at least get to some bootable stage where i can dmesg and see if anything happened. |
| 07:26.16 | mefistofeles | seravitae: maybe you are having trouble with kms, use nomodeset boot option, that may help |
| 07:26.34 | seravitae | ill try that now |
| 07:26.53 | seravitae | i *think* it happens right when the font changes, ie when the framebuffer is set or something. |
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| 07:27.19 | mefistofeles | seravitae: yeah, thats what I thought, try it |
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| 07:28.16 | seravitae | yeah mate that worked first time |
| 07:28.47 | seravitae | the box has an ATI radeon graphics card, I'll try installing the drivers and see if that fixes it.. or would this be something else causing the issue? |
| 07:28.53 | seravitae | (this is a fresh install of testing) |
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| 07:34.03 | seravitae | oh great, wheezy worked OOTB with my NIC, testing doesn't appear to, so now I can't even download the drivers... sigh. this is going to be a long day |
| 07:35.52 | KsM | wheezy is testing |
| 07:35.53 | mefistofeles | seravitae: the nomodeset option may be required always |
| 07:36.09 | seravitae | oh, sorry, i meant squeeze. |
| 07:36.11 | mefistofeles | but to make your boot prettier you could add something like vga=791 or something like that I believe |
| 07:36.39 | seravitae | squeeze worked OOTB with my NIC, but not my wifi adapter. wheezy/testing doesn't even work with my nic OOTB, |
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| 07:39.29 | zykotick9 | mefistofeles: vga= has been deprecated |
| 07:39.56 | mefistofeles | but it works |
| 07:39.58 | mefistofeles | :P |
| 07:40.00 | zykotick9 | true |
| 07:40.08 | mefistofeles | zykotick9: what's the non-deprecated option? |
| 07:40.49 | zykotick9 | mefistofeles: use of grub's GRUB_GFXMODE= |
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| 07:41.26 | mefistofeles | zykotick9: ah right |
| 07:42.10 | zykotick9 | mefistofeles: fyi, vga= can in some cases cause issues. |
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| 07:42.38 | mefistofeles | zykotick9: I guess, never found one though, but of course, it's deprecated for a reason |
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| 08:17.34 | wakd | cinvoke: http://feeding.cloud.geek.nz/posts/doing_a_fresh_debian_ubuntu_install_without_having_to_reconfigure_everything/ might interest you, I have not tried it. |
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| 08:18.18 | cinvoke | wakd: thx! checking it out |
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| 08:35.45 | cinvoke | does anyone know if an ia64 debian will run in virtualbox on mac 10.7.8? |
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| 08:37.36 | zykotick9 | cinvoke: i highly doubt vbox supports emulating itanium. why would you want to run that in a vm? |
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| 08:53.27 | new[] | After upgrading Debian to 6.0.7 from 6.0.6... wireless networks in nm-applet aren't listed and it says i'm disconnected even though I am in fact connected. |
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| 09:06.38 | _martin | have the pkgconfig something to do with dpkg? |
| 09:06.48 | cinvoke | zykotick9: i just want the 64bit version and i dont have an amd... |
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| 09:28.10 | new[] | cinvoke: if virtualbox runs on your mac, then yes it will |
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| 09:30.17 | cinvoke | new[]: thanks! |
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| 10:32.27 | dawud | technic: you *might* try recompiling them |
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| 10:45.21 | tarayici | hello |
| 10:45.39 | tarayici | i need an advice about good power management tool for debian |
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| 10:46.25 | tarayici | currently i am using archlinux and it's working very quiet |
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| 10:47.20 | tarayici | but the debian stable pushing hdd and cpu's fan |
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| 11:01.19 | mafiaboy | how do i get list of all packages installed containing a special word ....for example list of all installed packages involving the word gnome |
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| 11:06.30 | tremon | mercurial |
| 11:06.35 | vaillor | i do not have it into aptitute |
| 11:06.39 | vaillor | ? |
| 11:06.40 | vaillor | ahhaah |
| 11:06.43 | vaillor | chemistry... |
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| 11:07.19 | mafiaboy | jelly-home: now is there a way i can remove all installed packages with gnome in them |
| 11:07.20 | tremon | hyppias: lookup debconf preseeding, you can use debconf to pre-set answers |
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| 11:08.50 | jelly-home | mafiaboy: which debian release are you using? |
| 11:08.59 | hyppias | ok |
| 11:09.52 | mafiaboy | jelly-home: 6 |
| 11:10.17 | mafiaboy | will be on wheezy soon |
| 11:10.41 | jelly-home | mafiaboy: for debian 6, /msg dpkg remove gnome |
| 11:10.48 | tremon | hyppias: specifically, you need debconf-set-selections. most references you will find are for automatic installation, but the syntax is the same |
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| 11:12.08 | mafiaboy | jelly-home: will it be same for wheezy too |
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| 11:12.59 | mafiaboy | it will be better if you send me a link for these commands |
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| 11:13.24 | jelly-home | mafiaboy: it won't, I don't know what are the underlying packages to remove to clean up all of gnome 3. |
| 11:13.35 | jelly-home | link |
| 11:13.36 | jelly-home | ? |
| 11:14.02 | jelly-home | mafiaboy: it's a command for your irc client. Type it in and read the private response from dpkg bot. |
| 11:15.01 | guestwhatever | hello, is there a way to find the internet-facing ip address of a host from the command line? something like whatismyip.com but from the command line |
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| 11:17.16 | nkuttler | guestwhatever: ifconfig -a? or are you behind a router? |
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| 11:24.07 | jelly-home | guestwhatever: whatismyip.com used to have an automation API, dunno what happened to it |
| 11:24.25 | jelly-home | guestwhatever: you could do something silly like lynx -dump http://m.whatismyip.com/|grep -A1 'Your IP Address is:' |
| 11:24.53 | guestwhatever | nkuttler: behind a router |
| 11:25.14 | guestwhatever | jelly-home: OK, will try |
| 11:25.46 | jelly-home | or whatever console browser of your choice is if you don't like lynx |
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| 11:27.01 | acemi | guestwhatever: IFAIK whatismy stops to response the automation API |
| 11:27.42 | guestwhatever | acemi: OK thanks |
| 11:27.46 | jelly-home | guestwhatever: if you want to do it ona rgular basis, read http://www.whatismyip.com/ip-faq/automation-rules/ as it seems you'll have to register an account there |
| 11:28.09 | guestwhatever | jelly-home: OK thank you |
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| 11:29.01 | tremon | wget http://bot.whatismyipaddress.com |
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| 11:30.22 | guestwhatever | tremon: looks nice thanks |
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| 11:31.25 | nyuszika7h | hi, I'm using byobu and even with a separate SSH login, the TZ is set to /usr/share/zoneinfo/Europe/Budapest. how can I find out where is this coming from? it's not in /etc/profile, /etc/profile.d/*, ~/.bashrc or ~/.profile. |
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| 11:32.48 | g00se | Do any logs capture the anything of a sudden power outage on a battery-less notebook (perhaps after the fact)? |
| 11:33.24 | nyuszika7h | g00se: have you tried /var/log/syslog? |
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| 11:34.03 | nyuszika7h | I'm not sure if it was logged, and I'm not sure what systemd does about this, but systemd's journal tends to log more in the initial boot/shutdown process than sysvinit and rsyslog |
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| 11:35.00 | g00se | nyuszika7h: I kinda thought that wouldn't cut it, but i'll try |
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| 11:38.41 | g00se | nyuszika7h: ... plus i'm not quite sure what i'd look for ... |
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| 11:38.52 | nyuszika7h | look for things before the last shutdown? |
| 11:38.55 | nyuszika7h | boot, even |
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| 11:40.24 | g00se | nyuszika7h: Yes, i was hoping for something like 'this laptop didn't close down properly'. |
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| 11:41.07 | nyuszika7h | I don't think you will see messages like that, but if you don't see shutdown before the boot messages, in syslog that means it wasn't shut down properly |
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| 11:42.18 | g00se | OK thanks |
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| 12:20.08 | bolt | upgrades sarge to etch :))) |
| 12:22.43 | bolt | installed squeeze on a 32mb ram laptop with no optical/floppy drive by moving the drive to another machine, but the kernel ran out of memory on initial load :( sarge booted just fine... up we go, making a full drive image for each release |
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| 12:23.27 | babilen | bolt: Yay, now you only have to do <etch->lenny> and <lenny->squeeze> (and <squeeze->wheezy> soon -- now ask yourself why you don't simply reinstall that box and be done with it much faster) |
| 12:23.46 | babilen | 32mb ram? hehe |
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| 12:24.06 | babilen | bolt: Enjoy your archeology study :) |
| 12:24.10 | bolt | i could clean install each, but moving the drive to the machine with more ram is actually more of a hassle |
| 12:24.20 | bolt | and i know squeeze won't boot, so... |
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| 12:24.37 | bolt | babilen: yah. that machine will be busy :) |
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| 12:24.44 | tremon | I remember having to do something similar because I couldn't find a floppy installer for recent releases and my laptop wouldn't boot from cd or usb |
| 12:24.57 | tremon | at least that one had 128MB ram |
| 12:25.08 | bolt | might be able to compile a smaller squeeze kernel from lenny and boot that... |
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| 12:26.02 | tigerente | QUIT |
| 12:26.11 | bolt | tigerente: NEIN! |
| 12:26.13 | tigerente | QUIT [] |
| 12:26.26 | bolt | tigerente: not in an array, not without one |
| 12:26.27 | tigerente | i just want to close this window... |
| 12:26.32 | bolt | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:26.39 | bolt | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:26.42 | tigerente | okay |
| 12:26.53 | tigerente | unknown command: close |
| 12:27.02 | bolt | client? |
| 12:27.10 | tigerente | irc |
| 12:27.15 | bolt | ... |
| 12:27.19 | tigerente | ircII |
| 12:27.36 | vaillor | http://www.kernellabs.com/blog/?p=1378 |
| 12:27.41 | babilen | dpkg: tell tigerente -about irc tutorial |
| 12:27.42 | vaillor | can you help me to do it? |
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| 12:27.58 | babilen | tigerente: And now, just "/part" or "/quit" or close your client :) |
| 12:28.29 | tigerente | okay, thanks, have a nice day you all :-) |
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| 12:31.51 | Matip | Hello |
| 12:32.16 | Matip | I'm going to move a VPS to another server. is there any tool to backup everything? |
| 12:32.47 | Matip | I'll be using the same system, same architecture |
| 12:32.48 | babilen | just read that in Gary Oldman's voice |
| 12:33.28 | babilen | Matip: Well, there are plenty of backup tools. You probably also want a list of installed packages (along the lines of "/msg dpkg aptitude clone") and other things mentioned in "/msg dpkg things to backup" |
| 12:33.55 | Matip | alright, thanks |
| 12:34.22 | babilen | Matip: You could go with LVM snapshots, simple tarballs, rsyncing stuff around, backuppc, cloning disks, ... many different ways. |
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| 12:35.04 | babilen | hmm, gtg - see you later peeps :) |
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| 12:42.18 | Pinchiukas | Which ISO should I download if I want to be able to do an offline install? |
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| 12:43.06 | tremon | depends on your package selection. dvd-1 will have most of the default desktop stuff |
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| 12:44.34 | Pinchiukas | tremon: so I can do that with DVD1? |
| 12:44.34 | dutchfish | Pinchiukas, for a base system netinstal will do, anything beyond that you need at least disk 1 and 2 and sometimes more. |
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| 12:44.49 | MorpheusXNL | goodafternoon |
| 12:44.53 | Pinchiukas | I can finish installation with DVD1? |
| 12:45.06 | dutchfish | Pinchiukas, depends what you are installing |
| 12:45.21 | Pinchiukas | A server/router. |
| 12:45.34 | dutchfish | Pinchiukas, probably disk cd 1 and cd 2 |
| 12:45.35 | MorpheusXNL | i am on debian squeeze since yesterday and installed kde. I saw that this is version 4.4 is it possible to upgrade kde to the final version? |
| 12:45.42 | dutchfish | Pinchiukas, or dvd 1 |
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| 12:46.40 | MorpheusXNL | i have to say i love debian and kde for its stability |
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| 12:47.01 | MorpheusXNL | i wondered if it is even possible to upgrade kde |
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| 12:47.47 | tremon | MorpheusXNL: there's a final kde version? |
| 12:48.15 | abrotman | MorpheusXNL: unless you compile it yourself, no |
| 12:48.18 | MorpheusXNL | tremon, what i meant was 4.10 is out so there is some version difference |
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| 12:48.41 | tremon | no 4.10 isn't available yet. 4.8 will be in the next release |
| 12:48.50 | MorpheusXNL | abrotman, this means we just have to wait for the new debian which is still in testing and upgrade later on |
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| 12:50.03 | MorpheusXNL | tremon, since i am new to debian is it then possible to upgrade to the new release in an easy when it get's out |
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| 12:51.09 | dutchfish | if you cant wait, and have the skills, you can install testing, but dont come complaining when things turn out bad, i run testing myself for more then 1 year without to much problems on my desktop. |
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| 12:51.59 | dutchfish | for server installs i still use stable |
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| 12:52.37 | dutchfish | and i run kde myself on the desktop, along with others |
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| 12:53.16 | tremon | MorpheusXNL: yes, it's easy to do, as long as you don't do weird stuff like overwriting package files manually or installing non-debian packages |
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| 12:53.27 | MorpheusXNL | dutchfish, well i think i will wait until new release and upgrade then. |
| 12:53.48 | dutchfish | good choice |
| 12:53.53 | MorpheusXNL | tremon, thanks is there a release date yet |
| 12:54.00 | tremon | there never is |
| 12:54.17 | MorpheusXNL | tremon, you mean it is there when it is there |
| 12:54.29 | tremon | !release date |
| 12:54.29 | dpkg | Debian does not release based on dates, it is released when there are no <release critical> bugs. See also <release history>. |
| 12:54.49 | dutchfish | MorpheusXNL, well, you can track the critical bugs of wheezy and judge for yourself. or even helping out with bug squashing to speed it up. |
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| 12:54.59 | MorpheusXNL | dutchfish, i have to say i installled squeeze minimal with kde and it is stable as hell |
| 12:55.09 | dutchfish | :) |
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| 12:55.49 | dutchfish | !debianlove |
| 12:55.49 | dpkg | it has been said that debianlove is the more I gain knowledge about Linux, the more I like Debian. Ask me about <why debian> too. For more information, see http://wiki.debian.org/ |
| 12:56.39 | MorpheusXNL | dutchfish, wheezy will be the name of the new release |
| 12:56.58 | dutchfish | yes, also see wiki release info |
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| 12:58.35 | dutchfish | MorpheusXNL, This is a good place to start investigating the status of the release http://udd.debian.org/bugs.cgi |
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| 12:59.16 | dutchfish | MorpheusXNL, there you can find out of your particular setup is affected by bugs in testing or not |
| 12:59.36 | MorpheusXNL | dutchfish, thanks |
| 12:59.40 | dutchfish | yw |
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| 13:04.43 | abrotman | did you install the package yet? |
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| 13:25.34 | pythonsnake | http://pastie.org/private/peej3ucjudexixhvkkpu8q |
| 13:25.45 | pythonsnake | anyone's a compile-guru here? |
| 13:28.02 | JeffJohnson | pythonsnake: u r missing ffi.h or it can't be found on your include path, install the dev package that includes ffi.h |
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| 13:28.12 | pythonsnake | JeffJohnson: compiled ffi from source |
| 13:28.15 | pythonsnake | and installed |
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| 13:28.47 | JeffJohnson | pythonsnake: than gcc can't find the file, try to add an -I parameter for the directory where ffi.h is located |
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| 13:29.44 | pythonsnake | $ find $PREFIX -name ffi.h |
| 13:29.46 | pythonsnake | /home/pythonsnake/packages/lib/libffi-3.0.11/include/ffi.h |
| 13:29.48 | pythonsnake | JeffJohnson: ^ |
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| 13:30.13 | JeffJohnson | -I/home/pythonsnake/packages/lib/libffi-3.0.11/include |
| 13:30.13 | JeffJohnson | :) |
| 13:31.08 | pythonsnake | JeffJohnson: http://pastie.org/private/7cz01k0lnqnlupd6ufnqow |
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| 13:31.58 | JeffJohnson | pythonsnake: u forget the "-I" |
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| 13:32.15 | pythonsnake | $ make -I/home/pythonsnake/packages/lib/libffi-3.0.9/include |
| 13:32.18 | pythonsnake | I did not? |
| 13:32.29 | pythonsnake | where should I put the -I? |
| 13:32.30 | JeffJohnson | thats make, "-I" is a gcc parameter |
| 13:32.38 | JeffJohnson | than you have to edit the Makefile |
| 13:32.43 | pythonsnake | ah |
| 13:33.03 | pythonsnake | CPPFLAGS? JeffJohnson |
| 13:33.51 | JeffJohnson | pythonsnake: CFLAGS, "make CFLAGS=-I/home/pythonsnake/packages/lib/libffi-3.0.9/include" maybe also work |
| 13:33.55 | pythonsnake | http://ix.io/4w7 |
| 13:34.00 | pythonsnake | the Makefile |
| 13:34.01 | JeffJohnson | or "CFLAGS="-I/home/pythonsnake/packages/lib/libffi-3.0.9/include" make " |
| 13:34.02 | JeffJohnson | :) |
| 13:34.29 | pythonsnake | JeffJohnson: http://pastie.org/private/h1sxkx6ia3sjbsmbaixmrq |
| 13:34.41 | JeffJohnson | pythonsnake: you still have to add the "-I" |
| 13:34.45 | JeffJohnson | pythonsnake: not only the path |
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| 13:35.22 | pythonsnake | JeffJohnson: where should I add it? |
| 13:35.24 | JeffJohnson | pythonsnake: "FFI_CFLAGS = -I/home/pythonsnake/packages/include/" |
| 13:35.29 | pythonsnake | http://ix.io/4w7 << Makefile |
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| 13:36.44 | JeffJohnson | pythonsnake: ah the makefile was created by automake, most likely there is a ./configure parameter to specify the paths to your FFI include dir |
| 13:37.02 | abrotman | pythonsnake: did you ask ##c ? |
| 13:37.09 | pythonsnake | abrotman: gonna do that |
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| 13:39.01 | pythonsnake | JeffJohnson: doesnt work D: |
| 13:39.09 | pythonsnake | configure detected it |
| 13:39.10 | pythonsnake | not make |
| 13:39.16 | JeffJohnson | pythonsnake: ./configure --help |
| 13:39.24 | abrotman | or ask ##c |
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| 13:41.07 | Umair | "apt-get install slapd". unable to locate package slapd. where can I find source repo for it? |
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| 13:41.46 | cm13g09 | Umair: I think it's called openldap on debian |
| 13:42.00 | JeffJohnson | Umair: in stable or testing repository |
| 13:42.07 | Umair | stable |
| 13:42.08 | JeffJohnson | there is a slapd package |
| 13:42.15 | cm13g09 | JeffJohnson: so I just found |
| 13:42.16 | abrotman | no, it's called slapd |
| 13:42.18 | cm13g09 | ignore me |
| 13:42.18 | tremon | !tell Umair about squeeze sources.list |
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| 13:42.27 | abrotman | Umair: pastebin your sources.list |
| 13:42.35 | JeffJohnson | apt-get update? :D |
| 13:42.49 | Umair | apt-get update && apt-get upgrade |
| 13:42.51 | Umair | it's done |
| 13:42.52 | dutchfish | JeffJohnson, what version of libffi-dev ? |
| 13:43.02 | Umair | I just have 2 urls in sources.list |
| 13:43.07 | JeffJohnson | dutchfish: ? |
| 13:43.18 | Umair | both, security.debian.org |
| 13:43.20 | JeffJohnson | dutchfish: i dont know which libffi-dev version pythonsnake has installed |
| 13:43.39 | dutchfish | JeffJohnson, ffi.h is in libffi-dev, so |
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| 13:43.50 | abrotman | Umair: use a pastebin |
| 13:43.56 | JeffJohnson | dutchfish: i'am not the one who has the compile problems:) |
| 13:44.10 | dutchfish | JeffJohnson, ah, my mistake sorry |
| 13:44.15 | JeffJohnson | dutchfish: np :) |
| 13:45.13 | bitonic | I’m trying to install the last firefox as described here: <http://mozilla.debian.net/>, but I get this: <http://paste.debian.net/237769/>. how should I proceed? |
| 13:45.43 | abrotman | bitonic: you have to grab those packages from packages.debian.org .. they only exist in unstable, not in wheezy |
| 13:45.47 | JeffJohnson | bitonic: from experimental? |
| 13:45.50 | Umair | http://pastebin.com/fZx6Fi26 |
| 13:46.13 | nyuszika7h | 6.0.7? :O |
| 13:46.17 | bitonic | JeffJohnson: yes, ‘apt-get install -t experimental iceweasel’, I’m using wheezy |
| 13:46.24 | JeffJohnson | bitonic: apt-get install xulrunner/experimental iceweasel/experimental or use apt_pinning |
| 13:46.27 | abrotman | Umair: uncomment line 17, comment out line 7 |
| 13:46.34 | abrotman | JeffJohnson: doesn't exist .... |
| 13:46.47 | abrotman | nyuszika7h: yes, released yesterday |
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| 13:47.15 | Umair | abrotman: define deb and deb-src |
| 13:47.17 | bitonic | JeffJohnson: If I try to install xulrunner specifically I get this: <http://paste.debian.net/237770/> |
| 13:47.20 | JeffJohnson | abrotman: seems you are missing in your sources.list an entry for stable |
| 13:47.33 | abrotman | JeffJohnson: seems you don't know how to follow an IRC conversation |
| 13:47.36 | JeffJohnson | bitonic: add also libnss3:D |
| 13:48.00 | pythonsnake | JeffJohnson: dutchfish compiled and installed libffi 3.0.9 from source |
| 13:48.02 | JeffJohnson | abrotman: i dont know how to follow every conversation at once |
| 13:48.05 | pythonsnake | configure detected it |
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| 13:48.09 | bitonic | JeffJohnson: shouldn’t installing iceweasel from experimental ‘just work’? I’m afraid I screwed my apt configuration somewhere |
| 13:48.09 | abrotman | Umair: yes, uncomment those two lines |
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| 13:48.44 | Umair | abrotman: currently it was checking from CD? |
| 13:49.03 | abrotman | Umair: yes, and that CD has a limited number of packages .. not the full package repository |
| 13:49.13 | Umair | got it |
| 13:49.27 | Umair | why these URLs are commented by default? |
| 13:49.27 | abrotman | Umair: ugh, also add "deb http://http.debian.net/debian/ squeeze main" to that file |
| 13:49.41 | JeffJohnson | bitonic: your system favours packages from the stable repository, u are trying to install firefox/experimental that depends on other packages in the experimental repository but your system want the stable versions. You have to explicity specifiy that you will install the experimental versions |
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| 13:50.12 | Umair | abrotman: what's the difference? |
| 13:50.13 | bitonic | JeffJohnson: no, that’s not it, ‘sudo apt-get install xulrunner-19.0/experimental iceweasel/experimental libnss3/experimental’ complains that ‘E: Release 'experimental' for 'libnss3' was not found’ |
| 13:50.26 | abrotman | Umair: 'squeeze' vs squeeze-updates |
| 13:50.52 | Umair | no http vs fto source |
| 13:50.56 | JeffJohnson | bitonic: than find out in which repository libnss3 > 2:3.14 is (aptitude versions libnss3) |
| 13:50.57 | Umair | but tell me about that too |
| 13:50.59 | abrotman | bitonic: get it from unstable .... |
| 13:51.07 | tremon | bitonic, JeffJohnson : libnss3 is in unstable. The packages in experimental are *not* meant to be used in stable |
| 13:51.09 | Umair | squeeze vs squeeze-upates |
| 13:51.18 | abrotman | dpkg: tell Umair about http.debian.net |
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| 13:51.32 | tremon | that doesn't mean it will not work, just being a good citizen ;) |
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| 13:51.41 | abrotman | tremon: i suspect he's using it in wheezy, though they didn't say |
| 13:52.01 | bitonic | abrotman, tremon: I’m using wheezy as I said earlier |
| 13:52.09 | abrotman | Umair: pastebin your sources.list again when you're done editing |
| 13:52.11 | k-t | + |
| 13:52.14 | Umair | abrotman: need deb-src for http there right? |
| 13:52.17 | dutchfish | henc emy question what version of libffi-dev ? |
| 13:52.21 | abrotman | bitonic: so grab the libnss3 from unstable |
| 13:52.55 | bitHipy | found 3 packages that optimize apt sources: netselect-apt apt-mirror apt-spy |
| 13:53.10 | bitHipy | do those all do the same thing? |
| 13:53.13 | bitonic | abrotman: OK, I’ll try that. |
| 13:53.29 | tremon | bitHipy: no |
| 13:53.39 | abrotman | bitHipy: they do it in different ways .. but really, you should just use http.debian.net now |
| 13:53.52 | Umair | http://pastebin.com/FKHTzDYd |
| 13:54.18 | abrotman | looks |
| 13:54.38 | Umair | abrotman: http://pastebin.com/FKHTzDYd |
| 13:55.03 | abrotman | Umair: looks good, so now 'aptitude update;aptitude full-upgrade;aptitude install slapd" |
| 13:55.20 | Umair | I don't like aptitude |
| 13:55.28 | Umair | apt-get would work fine? |
| 13:55.31 | tremon | Umair: please do not use ftp.debian.org directly, use a mirror or http.debian.net like the last one |
| 13:55.41 | abrotman | Umair: yes, apt-get should be oka |
| 13:55.43 | abrotman | okay |
| 13:55.58 | Umair | what he's saying now |
| 13:56.02 | Umair | no ftp? |
| 13:56.16 | tremon | (although I'm not sure squeeze-updates is mirrored fully on http.debian.net) |
| 13:56.23 | tremon | Umair: not the master ftp site, no |
| 13:56.29 | abrotman | Umair: he's saying in your line 17/18, replace "ftp.debian.org" with "http.debian.net" |
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| 13:56.39 | abrotman | tremon: it's not really the master |
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| 13:56.48 | Umair | let me do that |
| 13:56.54 | bitHipy | abrotman: thanks |
| 13:57.00 | Nik05 | dont use ftp.debian.org that one will got to a dutch ftp server |
| 13:57.03 | tremon | oh, then I'm mistaken :) |
| 13:57.05 | Nik05 | i think |
| 13:57.06 | Umair | write me reason here |
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| 13:57.15 | abrotman | Nik05: it's a round robin IIRC |
| 13:57.25 | Umair | where are main server btw? |
| 13:57.30 | Umair | the http one |
| 13:57.37 | abrotman | Umair: http.debian.net ? |
| 13:57.47 | abrotman | or www.debian.org ? |
| 13:57.50 | Umair | both .org and .net |
| 13:58.01 | Umair | both sounds at the same location |
| 13:58.03 | tremon | Umair: I was under the impression that ftp.debian.org is the main server that is used to sync all other mirrors, which is why I asked you to change it. it will still work though |
| 13:58.04 | Umair | ain't they |
| 13:58.07 | abrotman | no |
| 13:58.34 | Umair | so where are tehy |
| 13:58.35 | Umair | they |
| 13:58.47 | fredl | hello. I have two wheezy servers, one one I have svn 1.6.17dfsg, on the other 1.7.5-1 and I'm not sure what's causing the difference |
| 13:58.54 | abrotman | i believe they moved recently .. it's really not important |
| 13:59.04 | abrotman | judd: versions svn |
| 13:59.05 | judd | No package named 'svn' was found in i386. |
| 13:59.18 | fredl | subversion |
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| 13:59.29 | Umair | http.debian.org could not resolve |
| 13:59.33 | fredl | versions subversion |
| 13:59.40 | tremon | Umair: http.debian.net is a geodns implementation, it will redirect you to a close mirror no matter where you are |
| 13:59.44 | fredl | hmm |
| 13:59.53 | abrotman | judd: versions subversion |
| 13:59.55 | judd | Package: subversion on i386 -- lenny: 1.5.1dfsg1-7; lenny-security: 1.5.1dfsg1-7; lenny-backports: 1.6.12dfsg-6~bpo50+1; squeeze: 1.6.12dfsg-6; squeeze-security: 1.6.12dfsg-6; wheezy: 1.6.17dfsg-4; sid: 1.7.5-1 |
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| 14:00.10 | abrotman | fredl: somehow, one is using svn from unstable |
| 14:00.18 | abrotman | Umair: http.debian.net not http.debian.org |
| 14:00.20 | fredl | hmm that's interesting, yeah it appears I am. |
| 14:00.27 | fredl | ah I think I know why. |
| 14:00.31 | bitHipy | http.debian.net is ideal for tor users |
| 14:00.33 | fredl | tnx abrotman |
| 14:00.46 | abrotman | bitHipy: not really |
| 14:00.54 | tremon | bitHipy: tor isn't meant for bulk downloads |
| 14:00.54 | Umair | but you asked me to replace ftp with http |
| 14:01.00 | ^DEMOSS^ | i need help. in loading process i can see initramfs console. if i wanna continue loading i must type exit command |
| 14:01.06 | abrotman | Umair: you didn't read the whole line ... |
| 14:01.18 | tremon | Umair: no, I asked to replace ftp.debian.org with http.debian.net |
| 14:01.26 | ^DEMOSS^ | it was i have after update-initramfs -u |
| 14:01.31 | Umair | ok |
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| 14:01.58 | bitHipy | abrotman: is it better to run apt-spy or the like w/each new tor circuit before a download? |
| 14:02.09 | Umair | out of blue: can I change terminal theme to black (specifically zenesburque if that's possible)? |
| 14:02.16 | abrotman | bitHipy: what? no, that's inane |
| 14:02.30 | abrotman | bitHipy: don't use tor as your apt proxy |
| 14:02.51 | bitHipy | i don't see how anything other than http.debian.net could ensure the best repo for a given circuit otherwise |
| 14:02.53 | abrotman | bitHipy: using tor with apt-spy would give you useless results |
| 14:03.04 | tremon | ^DEMOSS^: there is a reason why initramfs drops you to a console, most likely because the boot failed. Simply hitting ^D in your emergency shell will most probably not solve your problem |
| 14:03.14 | abrotman | bitHipy: using tor with apt is really silly |
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| 14:04.25 | Umair | abrotman: I should keep squeeze-updates or edit it to just squeeze? |
| 14:04.32 | abrotman | keep |
| 14:04.41 | ^DEMOSS^ | i have a normal boot, if i press #exit - i loock a splash and them my desktop |
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| 14:05.48 | tremon | ^DEMOSS^: what's your kernel command line? |
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| 14:07.38 | Umair | abr |
| 14:07.52 | Umair | abrotman: done update and upgrade with new sources |
| 14:08.00 | Umair | am I good to install slapd? |
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| 14:09.12 | Aktau | Hey guys, any idea how I can export the http_proxy variable even to non-login shells? |
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| 14:09.22 | Aktau | I exported it in /etc/profile |
| 14:09.43 | Umair | abrotman: am I good to install slapd? |
| 14:09.49 | Aktau | But some processes don't have it in their environment |
| 14:09.50 | abrotman | Umair: sure |
| 14:10.00 | Aktau | I wonder how I could make it real "system-wide"? |
| 14:10.01 | Umair | abrotman: no luck |
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| 14:10.11 | abrotman | Umair: pastebin your sources.list and the output of apt-get update |
| 14:10.27 | abrotman | Aktau: /etc/environment maybe ? |
| 14:10.41 | Umair | abrotman: I can tell you here it just upgraded 1 package named tzdata |
| 14:10.49 | Aktau | abrotman: would be cool if it worked |
| 14:11.10 | Aktau | abrotman: going to test that when I can restart my test-VM thing. Has been misbehaving |
| 14:11.12 | abrotman | Umair: still like to see your sources.list and the output of 'apt-get update' |
| 14:11.12 | Aktau | Thanks! |
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| 14:12.45 | Umair | http://pastebin.com/zWpRx1xY |
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| 14:13.25 | abrotman | Umair: you're still missing "deb http://http.debian.net/debian/ squeeze main" |
| 14:13.48 | bitHipy | abrotman: i find it risky to update public keys through the same network path as downloading packages.. hence the tor use |
| 14:14.01 | abrotman | Umair: after you run that "apt-get update;apt-get dist-upgrade" .. then install slapd |
| 14:14.07 | Umair | abrotman: I need squeeze and squeeze-updates both? |
| 14:14.07 | abrotman | bitHipy: update what public keys? |
| 14:14.10 | abrotman | Umair: yes |
| 14:14.18 | ^DEMOSS^ | tremon: kernel command line ? |
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| 14:14.47 | bitHipy | abrotman: if a MITM can manage to insert a rogue public key, then they can also affect the packages that that key signs |
| 14:14.49 | mikong | hi, i have multiple websites on my server in various vhosts, now i will add this machine to our loadbalancer, and to do that our provider told us to add healthcheck.html to our www folder, now my problem is that if i go to: ip.add.res.s/healthcheck.html, that points to a vhost which is not correct. (it has a password) how can i tell apache which vhost to use when I try to connect via IP? |
| 14:15.00 | abrotman | bitHipy: so you think that MITM can't happen with tor? |
| 14:15.36 | bitHipy | abrotman: if they can insert a rogue key on one channel, the package is retrieved via another circuit |
| 14:15.39 | Umair | !tell Umair usenet |
| 14:15.42 | tremon | ^DEMOSS^: cat /proc/cmdline |
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| 14:15.47 | abrotman | bitHipy: you hope ... |
| 14:15.56 | bitHipy | abrotman: so they would have to compromise every circuit |
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| 14:16.07 | abrotman | bitHipy: if you use http.debian.net with tor, you're gong to get packages from all over the world .. that's silly |
| 14:16.29 | bitHipy | abrotman: it's more secure |
| 14:16.59 | bitHipy | abrotman: if all packages and keys come from the same place, mitm is easy |
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| 14:17.22 | mycae | does anyone have any experience with x86_64-w64-mingw32 ? I've built a program using it, and it works under wine64, but not under windows. When I examine the dependency tree for the shared libaries I've built, it seems to pull in 32 bit libs from system32 - is this normal? |
| 14:17.24 | abrotman | bitHipy: and the packages could also be compromised |
| 14:17.42 | abrotman | bitHipy: you sohuld probably just disconnect and only use CDs |
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| 14:17.54 | Umair | debian "cd ~" doesn't go to /home/username? |
| 14:17.55 | bitHipy | abrotman: but then they fail due to not being signed with the matching key |
| 14:17.56 | ^DEMOSS^ | tremon: BOOT_IMAGE=/boot/vmlinuz-3.2.0-38-generic root=UUID=8b46b9ba-53ab-4964-bd7b-9e4090748990 ro quiet splash vt.handoff=7 |
| 14:18.07 | abrotman | bitHipy: no .. that's not how that works |
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| 14:18.25 | abrotman | ^DEMOSS^: use #ubuntu for Ubuntu support, thank you |
| 14:18.33 | bitHipy | abrotman: aptitude checks the sigs automatically, no? |
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| 14:18.44 | abrotman | bitHipy: of the repo, not the package |
| 14:19.18 | bitHipy | abrotman: certainly aptitude warns me when I don't have a key for something I downloaded |
| 14:19.27 | abrotman | bitHipy: wiki.debian.org/SecureApt |
| 14:19.53 | tremon | ^DEMOSS^: ubuntu's bootsplash isn't in debian, you'll have to ask them |
| 14:20.31 | abrotman | bitHipy: I can't stop you from using tor with http.debian.net, I think it's a bit silly and irresponsible |
| 14:20.54 | abrotman | Umair: how's it going? |
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| 14:21.20 | Umair | abrotman: upgrading |
| 14:21.31 | abrotman | mkay |
| 14:21.34 | Umair | but tell me this. cd ~ |
| 14:21.53 | Umair | should it go to /home/umair? |
| 14:22.06 | abrotman | Umair: unless you're root, is your prompt a # or a $ ? |
| 14:22.15 | Umair | # |
| 14:22.27 | abrotman | right, you're root |
| 14:22.36 | Umair | got it |
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| 14:22.42 | Umair | I couldn't see root |
| 14:23.19 | Umair | abrotman: slapd worked now. thanks! |
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| 14:23.34 | abrotman | enjoy |
| 14:23.42 | Umair | I will get back to you in the process of installing and configuring LDAP |
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| 14:25.23 | abrotman | Umair: joy! |
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| 14:55.04 | valentix | ciao |
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| 14:57.13 | whoxz | hello guys |
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| 14:58.28 | whoxz | my externel hdd cant be formated on win 7 and in my debian it gives me this http://pastie.org/6328247 when i run sudo tail -f /var/log/messages > log |
| 14:59.49 | tremon | whoxz: looks like the drive controller is dying |
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| 15:00.24 | whoxz | trebaum: gparted can see it but cant create new partition table |
| 15:00.41 | whoxz | i get error I/O |
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| 15:02.21 | whoxz | tremon: i read that dban may fix this by ereasin all |
| 15:02.44 | digdilem | whoxz, it looks to me like that drive is toast. dban might work - you have nothing to lose by trying it |
| 15:03.08 | digdilem | it could be the hdd or the usb caddy - hard to tell without replacing one or tother |
| 15:03.11 | whoxz | digdilem: toast ?? |
| 15:03.23 | digdilem | toast. dead. shuffled off this mortal coil. an ex-drive. |
| 15:03.48 | whoxz | digdilem: well last night i drop it |
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| 15:04.00 | digdilem | that might be relevant information |
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| 15:04.29 | tremon | though only for the csi team |
| 15:04.39 | digdilem | and next of kin |
| 15:04.59 | louisdk | Hi. I've planned to switch to ssh keys for my home linux based systems. My question is do I need to create one key for each host or can I just copy the one I've created? |
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| 15:05.40 | tremon | louisdk: conventional wisdom suggests you do not carry around private keys, so I'd keep a separate one for each host |
| 15:05.45 | Pei | how do you keep debian from booting into gui at startup.... like i just want the console login and CLI for now |
| 15:05.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | you can copy... depends on what you want to achieve |
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| 15:06.05 | digdilem | louisdk, what tremon says, but there's no technical reason not to use the same one over and over |
| 15:06.06 | tremon | Pei: add text to the kernel command line |
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| 15:08.55 | zykotick9 | tremon: does text work in debian? i don't think it does. Pei |
| 15:09.03 | Pei | hrm |
| 15:09.10 | zykotick9 | Pei: i'd suggest trying rcconf and disabling you DM |
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| 15:09.37 | zykotick9 | s/you/your/ |
| 15:09.38 | tremon | zykotick9, Pei: last time I checked, it depended on the display manager. iirc gdm and kdm recognized it, xdm and slim ignored it |
| 15:09.48 | Pei | ......... |
| 15:09.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | Pei, if you don't need X at all, uninstall it... else use update-rd.d to deactivate it in runlevel 2 |
| 15:10.17 | zykotick9 | tremon: i suggested "text" to someone, then i tried it in a VM - and it didn't work (wheezy vm, with gdm) |
| 15:10.23 | Pei | runlevel 2 eh? |
| 15:10.26 | abrotman | no |
| 15:10.27 | Pei | hrm |
| 15:10.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | tremon, interesting, I never heard of that... how's it supposed to work? |
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| 15:11.18 | tremon | CutMeOwnThroat: the init script parsed /proc/cmdline and exited if it contained 'text' |
| 15:11.20 | Pei | what if loading X is causing it to freeze and i need to not load it at all to boot |
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| 15:11.40 | Pei | there;s no way to just boot into console only? |
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| 15:12.05 | tremon | CutMeOwnThroat: from wheezy's lightdm init script: "if grep -wqs text /proc/cmdline; then [don't do anything]" |
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| 15:12.27 | cm13g09 | Pei: if you can't boot at all, recovery mode is text only |
| 15:12.31 | zykotick9 | !tell Pei about single user mode |
| 15:12.41 | Pei | single user mode thank you |
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| 15:12.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | tremon, ok. never ran into this |
| 15:12.46 | abrotman | that's not the same |
| 15:13.43 | louisdk | If say I have to machines. One called server and one called laptop. If I want to ssh from my laptop to my server without password. I've to create the key on the server and transfer the public key to my laptop. Am I right? |
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| 15:14.49 | zykotick9 | louisdk: create the key on the client, then use ssh-copy-id to copy it to the server. is my suggestion. |
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| 15:14.58 | abrotman | dpkg: tell louisdk about ssh keys |
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| 15:21.29 | user11553 | Hi, my iceweasel start to crash too often. in console there is only segmentation fault |
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| 15:23.09 | zykotick9 | user11553: see if it crashes with "iceweasel -safe-mode" which disabled extentions/themes |
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| 15:24.34 | user11553 | again segmentation fault |
| 15:25.22 | abrotman | user11553: use a pastebin to show us |
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| 15:26.30 | abrotman | user11553: also make sure your systems is fully up to date |
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| 15:28.15 | babilen | user11553: And provide information about the version of Debian you use along with "apt-cache policy iceweasel" please. (include "apt-cache policy" and your sources.list too) |
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| 15:30.04 | user11553 | moment. i`ll show :) |
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| 15:31.25 | Pei | i'm trying to blacklist my atl1c driver |
| 15:31.45 | Pei | and i put "blacklist atl1c" in /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.local.conf |
| 15:31.46 | user11553 | http://paste.debian.net/237811/ |
| 15:32.10 | Pei | and when it boots it still loads it |
| 15:32.14 | Pei | when i ifconfig eth0 down |
| 15:32.18 | user11553 | yes. yesterday i use apt-get upgrade and dist-upgrade and this broke my nvidia driver, but now it is ok |
| 15:32.21 | Pei | and rmmod atl1c |
| 15:32.25 | Pei | it locks up the oc |
| 15:33.02 | Pei | pc* |
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| 15:33.25 | abrotman | user11553: so you forced the iceweasel from experimental onto your squeeze box? |
| 15:33.26 | dvs | Pei: update-initramfs -u as root then reboot |
| 15:33.40 | Pei | thanks |
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| 15:33.54 | user11553 | how to check? i don`t know :) |
| 15:34.02 | abrotman | user11553: does "aptitude update;aptitude full-upgrade" want to upgrade anything ? |
| 15:34.08 | user11553 | is it better to remove backport from sources.list? |
| 15:34.43 | user11553 | no. no updates |
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| 15:36.05 | babilen | 19.0 seems to be distributed via http://mozilla.debian.net as iceweasel-relese -- that version might be broken |
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| 15:36.26 | vladino | i didnt update on mozarella iceweasel 19 too |
| 15:36.55 | babilen | vladino: mozarella? :-D |
| 15:37.07 | KsM | the funnier way of saying mozilla |
| 15:37.18 | babilen | orly? |
| 15:37.19 | onitaL | hah |
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| 15:37.57 | vladino | Oh yeah :-D |
| 15:37.59 | user11553 | what can i do? downgrade version of iceweasel? |
| 15:38.24 | babilen | user11553: Give the ESR version a try (guess you have to remove the current one and change "iceweasel-release" to "iceweasel-esr") |
| 15:38.30 | user11553 | also did i need to change something to my source.list or something about -add-architecture i386? |
| 15:38.56 | user11553 | babilen, what does it mean? |
| 15:39.01 | onitaL | user11553, have you tried backing up .mozilla and delete it? in that way iceweasel can create a new one? |
| 15:39.08 | babilen | user11553: No, you cannot use that feature. (multiarch will be introduced with wheezy, see "/msg dpkg multiarch") |
| 15:39.36 | user11553 | no. to try to delete it? |
| 15:39.52 | unborn | hid3, guys is there any alternative to gnome 3? i mean i love debian 6 gnome2 and dislike gnome3..? thanks |
| 15:39.57 | user11553 | but i think that i use this for installing sype |
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| 15:40.13 | user11553 | now i start skype with LD_LIBRARY_PATH=**** |
| 15:40.30 | babilen | user11553: Well, two things you can try: 1. Start mozilla from scratch (e.g. as a new user, or move .mozilla out of the way) .. Another is to try an older version than the 19.0 you have currently installed. I would try the ESR (extended support release) one from http://mozilla.debian.net or backports. (should be the same in both repositories) |
| 15:40.42 | mtn | unborn: of course, lots of them |
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| 15:41.14 | babilen | user11553: You cannot use multiarch on squeeze (even for skype), trust me |
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| 15:41.24 | unborn | mtn, i did not like xfce heh any alternative to it? |
| 15:41.51 | abrotman | unborn: lxde is a good one |
| 15:42.00 | mtn | unborn: try that cool google thing and search for linux window managers and desktop environments |
| 15:42.03 | user11553 | i beleave you, just tell you what i do to can run skype.... i don`t understand enought :) |
| 15:42.13 | user11553 | let`s try with rename of .mozilla :) |
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| 15:42.26 | babilen | unborn: There are plenty of alternatives. XFCE4 is commonly mentioned, but there are other desktop environment like LXDE or KDE. Apart from that there a at least a bazillion window managers such as fluxbox, openboz, awesomewm, i3, dwm, fvwm, ... |
| 15:42.37 | abrotman | openbox? :) |
| 15:42.46 | babilen | yeah, that :) |
| 15:43.01 | babilen | and also "there are" |
| 15:43.17 | unborn | abrotman, thanks, going to have look i did not know about lxde.. babilen thank you! goings to have look on them |
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| 15:44.03 | abrotman | unborn: or give gnome3 another try .. takes a bit of getting used to, but it's been pretty nice for me |
| 15:44.22 | babilen | unborn: I'd recommend XFCE4 as Gnome2 successor - the others are worth a look too. I personally use aweseomwm and am happy with it, but it is quite different than gnome2 in almost every possible way. |
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| 15:45.04 | user11553 | I rename .mozilla. i start, try to open facebook.com and again crash with segm. fault. |
| 15:45.05 | Danielss89 | Hi |
| 15:45.06 | KsM | speaking of that, is MATE and/or cinnamon going to come to debian any time soon |
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| 15:45.12 | user11553 | so, older version now? |
| 15:45.21 | babilen | unborn: And yeah, Gnome3 is actually pretty good IMHO. I would even give it a try if it would be able to offer independent workspaces in multiple screen setups. (I heard that no desktop environment gets this right though) |
| 15:45.23 | unborn | abrotman, thing is I dislike battery icons and that thing you move with mouse to get icons pops out.. as gnome 3 is very new to me I have no idea how to set things in it.. i did even look at ggl |
| 15:45.24 | crilly | babilen: Awesomewm is tiled, right? |
| 15:45.31 | KsM | yes |
| 15:45.40 | Danielss89 | I have 100000 images on my server which i need to move to a ftp. What is the best method for doing this? |
| 15:45.52 | KsM | Danielss89: scp or rsync maybe |
| 15:45.54 | babilen | KsM: cinnamon has been packaged already and I would be quite surprised if mate will ever make it into the archive. |
| 15:46.00 | babilen | crilly: yes, it is |
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| 15:46.24 | KsM | er, is the server ftp-only Danielss89? |
| 15:46.30 | Danielss89 | KsM: yeah :( |
| 15:46.35 | KsM | oh |
| 15:46.36 | tremon | babilen: re "independent workspaces in multiple screen setups", e17 does have that |
| 15:46.39 | babilen | crilly: My favourite WM was wmii, but the community did not like it and abandoned it in favour of dwm. i3 is seen as the successor, but just doesn't get it right. |
| 15:46.50 | Danielss89 | KsM: well the server which have the images right now, has ssh access |
| 15:46.56 | Danielss89 | but the receiving server is ftp only |
| 15:47.06 | abrotman | unborn: eh, the battery thing is weird .. you can also setup icons on the desktop |
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| 15:47.24 | babilen | tremon: awesome does too -- as I said: I heard that no desktop environment gets it right (they have a single workspace on both screens and you can't change it independently) |
| 15:47.28 | user11553 | babilen, esr or esr10 to choose? |
| 15:47.42 | crilly | babilen: Hmm, interesting. I used to use wmii too, at a previous job. I've installed awesome now, but I'm waiting for Dropbox to finish a sync. Once it's done I will login to Awesome :) |
| 15:47.45 | babilen | tremon: I am happy with awesome, but that is one of the reasons why I could /never/ use a DE (at least if they don't offer this functionality) |
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| 15:48.30 | unborn | xcfe4 looks better on its website lol lets try it :) |
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| 15:48.55 | babilen | crilly: great, awesomewm is good but I just miss the old tagging approach and the "stacked", "fullscreen", "tabbed" views of wmii. Awesome is good, but unfortunately not wmii. Don't understand why nobody took over, but me </stopwhining> |
| 15:48.55 | tremon | ah, DE as in "full package", not just "WM with some extra features" :) |
| 15:48.59 | Danielss89 | KsM: so should i just use something like ncftp |
| 15:49.09 | babilen | tremon: No, DE as in Desktop Environment ;) |
| 15:49.16 | unborn | abrotman, i think its possibly my stupidity or something.. you know new things.. i like old way :) |
| 15:49.34 | KsM | I don't know of any good ftp programs, I rarely ever use ftp at all Danielss89 |
| 15:49.40 | babilen | user11553: try both, but why not simply esr. I think they are the same right now anyway |
| 15:49.46 | Danielss89 | KsM: ok, damint.. |
| 15:50.01 | user11553 | 10x. i`ll try now :) |
| 15:51.10 | abrotman | unborn: sure, that's why i suggested spending time with it |
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| 15:53.04 | unborn | guys is it possible download debian 7 as live dvd? for just boot? |
| 15:53.16 | unborn | or i have to wait till it will be stable |
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| 15:53.54 | KsM | unborn: yes, http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 15:54.18 | zykotick9 | unborn: do you want to install? is so, i'd suggest using the "real" install media, and not the live-stuff. |
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| 15:55.25 | unborn | zykotick9, well just wanted to try it before i reload my desk with deb 7 |
| 15:55.31 | unborn | KsM, thank downloading :) |
| 15:55.45 | unborn | zykotick9, i will install it in virtualbox :) |
| 15:56.15 | zykotick9 | KsM: i don't see a LiveCD/DVD at http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ (but i wouldn't expect too), am i not seeing it? |
| 15:57.08 | unborn | btw i dont know what devs changed but deb7 even tells me what driver i need for my wifi and sound finally works right away on my old laptop :) |
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| 15:58.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | user11553, so seems you got X working yesterday |
| 15:58.03 | babilen | unborn: Well, you get a completely different kernel and installer on a completely different userspace ... |
| 15:58.12 | schmodd | hi, im running debian testing and somehow i cannot change the qt font settings ... all qt fonts are bold (in virtualbox, clementine ...) - googled but found no solution cause qtconfig doesnt save changed font settings -.- |
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| 15:59.58 | unborn | babilen, well once i try different gui for it i think its just perfect desktop :) |
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| 16:01.19 | user11553 | yes. only i command fix problem. something like apt-get install linux-image-amd64 :) |
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| 16:01.50 | unborn | ah skype is not working on deb7 32bit? my mum will not like this heh |
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| 16:02.25 | user11553 | babilen, iceweasel seems to work now. how to edit my sources.list to avoid problems? |
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| 16:04.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | unborn, it's working on my 64-bit wheezy (for a certain value of "working"). would be surprising if it didn't on 32-bit |
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| 16:05.14 | babilen | user11553: You mean it works after you installed the ESR version? |
| 16:05.30 | unborn | CutMeOwnThroat, well i will try that soon.. (10 minutes to go) |
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| 16:09.05 | user11553 | yes. 17.*** is now |
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| 16:19.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | unborn, "work" as in crashes on all kinds of weird stuff, but can be used for phoning (including video) if you avoid doing the stuff that causes it to crash |
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| 16:22.35 | unborn | CutMeOwnThroat, im fine with it..i use gtalk instead.. only my mum must have skype you know.. old woman ;) |
| 16:24.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | unborn, all kinds of people "must" have it |
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| 16:24.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | but I think the crashing and avoiding it by "don't do it" is very apt, seeing that microsoft has purchased it |
| 16:24.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | one could say it's everything I expected |
| 16:24.43 | babilen | user11553: Well, just use "iceweasel-esr" in lieu of "iceweasel-release" in your sources.list then |
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| 16:25.35 | user11553 | so, to keep this config of sources.list? |
| 16:26.18 | babilen | user11553: I don't know what you have right now, but that sounds like a plan. When did you install that system? Could you paste your sources.list so I can check it? |
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| 16:28.25 | user11553 | may be 2 monts ago. http://paste.debian.net/237831/ |
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| 16:31.03 | funky | hi |
| 16:31.17 | funky | I'm looking for an applet which displays the current network activity on gnome, but I can't find any |
| 16:31.21 | babilen | user11553: yeah, that's fine. Note that we will release wheezy soonish and that you'll have to upgrade to it when that is done. Upgrade instructions are found in <wheezy release notes> and <squeeze->wheezy> -- Wheezy is the release that supports the multiarch feature you referred to earlier. |
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| 16:31.49 | format_c | check gdesklet |
| 16:32.16 | user11553 | so, if i use apt-get update and system offer me update to use it? |
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| 16:33.04 | funky | mmm I remember desklets... too much resources eating, I'd rather go for an applet |
| 16:33.19 | babilen | user11553: No, you have to upgrade explicitly yourself. You will /not/ upgrade to wheezy automagically. Note that wheezy has not yet been released (but you could upgrade to it or install it now) yet, just wanted to make you aware of it. |
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| 16:34.13 | user11553 | i don`t want wheezy. i want only squeeze |
| 16:35.14 | babilen | user11553: well, you have to upgrade eventually (squeeze will only be supported for one year after the release of wheezy) - you do /not/ have to do it now. |
| 16:35.49 | user11553 | :) |
| 16:36.08 | user11553 | this source.list must offer me for updates only of squeeze. right? |
| 16:36.48 | babilen | yes |
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| 16:38.28 | pythonsnake | ** WARNING **: Entry 'va_list' not found |
| 16:38.34 | pythonsnake | what does that mean? |
| 16:38.42 | tremon | pythonsnake: this is not a programming channel |
| 16:39.06 | pythonsnake | tremon: compiling |
| 16:39.08 | pythonsnake | but fair enough |
| 16:40.26 | abrotman | pythonsnake: as i said before, ##c |
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| 16:42.34 | pythonsnake | 17:40:58 twkm | that's nice. we aren't the gobject people. |
| 16:42.35 | pythonsnake | whoa |
| 16:43.10 | tremon | at least they knew instantly what you were talking about :) |
| 16:43.37 | tremon | guesses that the gobject people lurk at #gnome |
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| 16:45.57 | tremon | pythonsnake: some knowledge is spread out over many channels, but the more specific your question gets, the more important it is to find the right channel to ask your question. I'm not trying to discourage you, just trying to help you get a helpful answer quicker |
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| 16:46.39 | pythonsnake | tremon: those channels are _very_ quiet |
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| 16:47.35 | abrotman | that doesn't make this the right place to ask |
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| 16:49.06 | pythonsnake | ##c should be the right one though |
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| 16:49.26 | tremon | at least they should know where to ask |
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| 16:59.32 | nickn | Does the isc-dhcp-server support the same options as bootp? |
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| 17:02.41 | viento | http://nolimitsformoney.blogspot.gr/ make money from internet |
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| 17:03.23 | tremon | questions the wisdom of using a greek domain to make money |
| 17:03.46 | abrotman | or just ignore it |
| 17:04.36 | zykotick9 | nickn: (you've asked this before right?) i've never used either of them. but, bootp is a bootp server that has dhcp, while isc-dhcp-server is just a dhcp server. i doubt they share the same "options" myself. |
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| 17:06.38 | halc | hello |
| 17:07.14 | halc | can someone tell me what command show me all mac adreses what connect to my server. |
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| 17:09.03 | jhutchins_wk | halc: Might be possible with netstat. Check the manpage. |
| 17:09.19 | jhutchins_wk | halc: Also, many servers can log connections. |
| 17:09.21 | petemc | arp -a |
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| 17:09.40 | jhutchins_wk | halc: Also an option with iptables. |
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| 17:11.38 | cm13g09 | halc: Just remember that you won't get the client MACs on the internet, you'll get the MAC of the last-hop router |
| 17:11.48 | cm13g09 | or a null mac |
| 17:12.14 | halc | i have fucking hacker he try on all fucking proxy to enter and destroy my mc server |
| 17:12.30 | halc | 50 ip baned |
| 17:12.31 | nickn | zykotick9: yes, but isn't bootp a special kind of dhcp? |
| 17:12.41 | nickn | halc: mc server, what means mc? |
| 17:12.48 | halc | minecraft |
| 17:12.52 | zykotick9 | nickn: bootp is something separate from dhcp. |
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| 17:14.15 | nickn | zykotick9: why is bootp implemented in the isc-dhcp-server then? |
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| 17:16.00 | zykotick9 | nickn: appears you're right. dhcp is an advanced protocol that does the same thing as bootp (at least according to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bootstrap_Protocol |
| 17:16.07 | tremon | nickn: dhcp has superseded bootp. it's only use is for legacy clients that have no (pxe) dhcp client |
| 17:16.18 | tremon | has to eat an ' |
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| 17:16.44 | nickn | zykotick9 / tremon: I want to use bootp for booting a box over pxe |
| 17:17.20 | nickn | tremon: what is meant with 'legacy clients'? |
| 17:17.29 | zykotick9 | nickn: so why do you want to use isc-dhcp-server instead of bootp exactly? |
| 17:17.47 | nickn | zykotick9: I don't know what got more options, because I want to setup bootp in a fine grained manner |
| 17:18.03 | nickn | zykotick9: the isc-dhcp-server is used for dhcp, which is also needed during pxe |
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| 17:18.19 | tremon | nickn: legacy == clients that don't speak dhcp. most pc's have a full dhcp client in their pxe code, so don't need bootp |
| 17:19.05 | nickn | tremon: when there is a pxe with dhcp, can bootp still be used or will it never be used by such modern systems? |
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| 17:20.09 | zykotick9 | tremon: just looking at the description of the bootp package, it's interesting it says "server for the bootp protocol with DHCP support" |
| 17:20.20 | tremon | nickn: I don't know. If I had to guess, I'd say that any pxeclient that speaks dhcp should be able to speak either, but I don't know how to configure that |
| 17:20.35 | tremon | the magic word is 'convergence' ;) |
| 17:20.44 | nickn | tremon: so bootp is only needed for old and especially simple pxe clients? |
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| 17:21.02 | tremon | nickn: for as far as I know, yes |
| 17:21.11 | ElDiabolo | Hi. What is a good command line utility for handling mbox files? I need to extract a date range. |
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| 17:21.27 | nickn | tremon: good |
| 17:21.30 | tremon | but there may be modern embedded systems that meet the "especially simple" criteria |
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| 17:21.55 | tremon | but even my arm-based nas (with u-boot) can do dhcp/tftp |
| 17:22.15 | censef | in bash, doesn't the exit-command work within a function to terminate a script? |
| 17:22.36 | nickn | Just out of curiosity: Is the bootp implementation of isc-dhcp-server better than the bootp of inetd? |
| 17:22.43 | tremon | censef: that should be simple enough to test |
| 17:22.50 | nickn | tremon: is inetd insecure btw? I mean, it implements many server types |
| 17:23.38 | tremon | inetd has also been around for over 20 years. Methinks if it were fundamentally broken, it would have been replaced by now |
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| 17:23.59 | censef | tremon: I did and it doesn't work, that's why I am asking |
| 17:24.20 | tremon | censef: well you have your answer, you might want to ask #bash about the 'why?' |
| 17:24.53 | censef | tremon: you could have told me that in the beginning but thanks anyway |
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| 17:25.29 | tremon | censef: I apologize. guess I was curious |
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| 17:31.16 | Wypz | hi guys, what's the quickest/easiest way to get attractive fonts in a vanilla X setup? |
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| 17:31.46 | Wypz | i thought about using infinality, but there aren't any packages i can find, and i remember having a headache trying to set it up manually before. |
| 17:33.52 | nickn | Can't one simply install a ttf font like in windows? |
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| 17:36.21 | Wypz | i could do, the problem is mainly that i can't find a good setting that works uniformly across all fonts. i've tried pretty much every sensible combination of symlinks in /etc/fonts/conf.d/ that i can think of. |
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| 17:37.08 | Wypz | and to make matters worse, some required packages install fonts that web pages use, e.g. the default X fonts contain a bitmap helvetica, so if a web page requests the "helvetica" font, i get that and it's ugly. |
| 17:37.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | is that really for multi-user use? |
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| 17:37.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | user can just drop stuff in ~/.fonts/ |
| 17:37.57 | Wypz | i can just disable bitmap fonts, but there are some scalable cases like gsfonts where they don't look good at all. i tried just using the droid fonts for everything since they look nice, but i'd like some setting that allows me to use whatever font that looks okay. |
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| 17:38.40 | Wypz | and no, this is just for me, but i'd prefer it to be system-wide. |
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| 17:39.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | tremon, pity you're not in #debian-offtopic |
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| 17:40.28 | nickn | Can I also use host names instead of ip addresses in the isc-dhcp-server configuration? |
| 17:40.34 | tremon | too much of a timesink. what am I missing out on? :) |
| 17:41.24 | tremon | nickn: yes, but be aware that the dhcp servers needs to be able to resolv them at startup |
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| 17:41.46 | tremon | so don't do it if you run dns on the same machine, or add appropriate startup dependencies |
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| 17:44.32 | nickn | tremon: the dns server of network runs on the same machine as the isc-dhcp-server |
| 17:44.47 | nickn | tremon: you mean during startup, right? the dns server should start before the dhcp server starts? |
| 17:45.01 | dexta | evening ppls |
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| 17:46.04 | tremon | nickn: yes |
| 17:46.25 | nickn | tremon: alright |
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| 17:59.53 | invariant | What is the inverse operation of dpkg -x ? dpkg -b doesn't do it. |
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| 18:00.46 | Aut0Exec | whats a good way to install the newest version of bitlbee from apt ? |
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| 18:01.00 | Aut0Exec | i'm using stable btw |
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| 18:02.59 | zykotick9 | ,versions bitlbee |
| 18:03.00 | judd | Package: bitlbee on i386 -- lenny: 1.2.3-1; lenny-backports: 1.2.7-1~bpo50+1; squeeze: 1.2.8-1; wheezy: 3.0.5-1.2; sid: 3.0.6-1 |
| 18:03.03 | zykotick9 | ,checkbackport bitlbee |
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| 18:03.06 | judd | Backporting package bitlbee in sid→squeeze/i386: all build-dependencies satisfied using squeeze, virtual. |
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| 18:04.07 | zykotick9 | Aut0Exec: looks possible to backport, see "/msg dpkg ssb" for details. BUT, that "virtual" concerns me a bit. good luck. |
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| 18:04.42 | Aut0Exec | ok |
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| 18:08.28 | owen1 | ssh user1@foo.com "pwd" works but ssh user2@foo.com "pwd" does not. any ideas? |
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| 18:10.46 | Towzzer | do you mean the password dialog doesn't up? |
| 18:11.28 | owen1 | Towzzer: both user1 and user2 don't need a password |
| 18:11.37 | invariant | Got it already. |
| 18:12.00 | owen1 | user1 can excute commands using ssh but user2 can't. at least i don't see the output of pwd. |
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| 18:12.20 | Towzzer | change root? |
| 18:12.47 | owen1 | Towzzer: not sure what u mean by that |
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| 18:15.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | owen1, that description's lacking what you see with user2... also, any differences when you login interactively? thirdly, try with ssh -v -v -v or so |
| 18:16.03 | Towzzer | I'm just confused about your problem |
| 18:16.12 | Towzzer | you mean the pwd command doesn't work when you log in via ssh? |
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| 18:17.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | he's not logging in interactively, but running "ssh user@host command" (where command is "pwd") |
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| 18:20.24 | Towzzer | oh |
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| 18:22.19 | erob | hi, is there a proper way to regenerate /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-cd.rules ? |
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| 18:22.52 | erob | hello |
| 18:22.53 | erob | fdfd |
| 18:23.13 | erob | hi, is there a proper way to regenerate /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-cd.rules ? |
| 18:23.15 | erob | fdff |
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| 18:24.08 | erob | hfdfdsf |
| 18:24.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | erob... |
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| 18:24.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | ah, patience is a virtue |
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| 18:25.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | connection problems are a plague? |
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| 18:25.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | s/plague/pest/ |
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| 18:28.15 | ompaul | !ops JNSamuel should be helped stay away until connection is fixed lets have a look at his guesting also |
| 18:28.15 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: ompaul complains about: JNSamuel should be helped stay away until connection is fixed lets have a look at his guesting also |
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| 18:29.05 | ompaul | CutMeOwnThroat: and for the moment stopped ;-) |
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| 18:29.29 | tigerente | which file should i configure to be able to mount devices like usb and partitions, when i use no login manager? |
| 18:29.32 | censef | can less be configures not to display find results on the top line of the shell but rather in the middle? |
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| 18:30.18 | owen1 | CutMeOwnThroat: i don't see the output of pwd with user2. let me look at the logs |
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| 18:31.13 | ompaul | tigerente: then you have a question you need to answer if it automounts who will make it safe to umount it? |
| 18:31.21 | ompaul | i.e. to press eject |
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| 18:31.27 | ftoledo | devel question: i have a file in package A, i will move to package B (both same source package), how to aviod de problem that the file was in package A (old version) ..triying to replace with pacakge B(new version) and ouch dpk-error! |
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| 18:32.08 | tigerente | it doesnt mount automatically...i have to do "su" and mount it |
| 18:32.11 | ompaul | ftoledo: why doesn't your construction only deal with the latest file |
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| 18:33.06 | ompaul | tigerente: so you are logged in - you say you use no login manager - I'm trying to work out your actual problem and as you can see so far I'm a little confused. So you are logged in, you can /msg dpkg automount |
| 18:33.18 | ftoledo | ompaul: is the same file, i need to move to another pacakage (B), but when i do a apt-get upgrade will fail |
| 18:33.32 | ftoledo | ompaul: i remove it from A package |
| 18:33.47 | ompaul | ftoledo: now I'm totally confused |
| 18:34.12 | ftoledo | ompaul: sorry my english, i try to question again: |
| 18:34.25 | ompaul | ftoledo: what is your native language? |
| 18:34.33 | tigerente | ompaul: oh, ok, sorry. i log in as e.g tigerente, and if i plug a flashdrive or want to access my partitions, i have to be root |
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| 18:34.57 | ompaul | tigerente: so did you /msg dpkg automount ? |
| 18:35.02 | ompaul | here and now? |
| 18:35.05 | ompaul | the bot is useful |
| 18:35.14 | ftoledo | ompaul: i will try in #debian-es |
| 18:35.20 | ompaul | ftoledo: ok |
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| 18:35.29 | censef | what does "dpkg -S /usr/bin/mail" give you? |
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| 18:36.07 | tigerente | ompaul: /msg: no such file or directory |
| 18:36.16 | ompaul | tigerente: this is on irc |
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| 18:36.34 | ompaul | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:36.42 | tigerente | here in irc? |
| 18:36.45 | ompaul | yes |
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| 18:36.45 | tigerente | okay... |
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| 18:36.54 | nickn | in tftpd-hpa config, there is tftp_address 0.0.0.0. used - why? |
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| 18:37.59 | format_c | nickn, that means, that tftp server listens on any IP address / interface |
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| 18:38.22 | tigerente | <usb mount> |
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| 18:38.37 | format_c | Setting to an IP of one of you NICs, you can specify on which interface the deamon shall listen |
| 18:38.38 | tigerente | ompaul: how could this instructions help me? |
| 18:38.43 | ompaul | tigerente: drop < > and do the /msg dpkg |
| 18:38.57 | ompaul | tigerente: /msg dpkg usb mount |
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| 18:39.59 | ompaul | format_c: each daemon tends to have it's own config file and in there there is an ip to bind to, usually we find that is sufficent, sometimes you have to add that to a config file for not so cleverly written software |
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| 18:40.51 | tigerente | i believe i have to isntall usbmount, right? |
| 18:41.03 | format_c | ompaul, thanks but nickn asked the question |
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| 18:41.40 | alen | hi guys im new *holds up spork* debian means non-free software, what is it's main difference from ubuntu? |
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| 18:42.35 | tigerente | alen: ubuntu does advertisement in your os :-) |
| 18:43.31 | ompaul | format_c: now I'm reading statements as questions |
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| 18:43.46 | alen | yes i saw amazon advertisements D: |
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| 18:44.39 | dupa_ | hello |
| 18:44.43 | alen | hi |
| 18:44.55 | dupa_ | any idea how fix sendxmpp: |
| 18:44.57 | dupa_ | No SASL mechanism found at /usr/share/perl5/Authen/SASL.pm line 77 at /usr/share/perl5/XML/Stream.pm line 2155 |
| 18:45.12 | dupa_ | i have libauthen-sasl-perl |
| 18:45.24 | dupa_ | with libauthen-sasl-cyrus-perl dont work too |
| 18:45.24 | dupa_ | :*( |
| 18:45.41 | tigerente | alen: and sell your history to amazon |
| 18:46.05 | StephenS | I have usb headphones and analog speakers |
| 18:46.06 | tigerente | alen: so they can "better suggest" what you may want or not |
| 18:46.19 | StephenS | When I turn off analog speakers, output is on usb headphones, however I cannot hear the sound, why? |
| 18:46.34 | censef | why "sell" history to amazon? It's given them for free :) |
| 18:46.41 | dupa_ | SASL have something to do with SSL/ |
| 18:46.42 | dupa_ | ? |
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| 18:46.44 | alen | ._. oh dear, but I translated Debian and it means non-free software? Why would Debian have no advertisements then? |
| 18:46.50 | zykotick9 | alen: "debian means non-free software" what? debian "main" is free, as in FAIF. you need to take steps to take your freedom away. |
| 18:47.00 | tigerente | censef: do you think they dont take anything from them? |
| 18:47.02 | Ristovski | hmm, Im running mate on debian wheezy, and I cant seem to get nautilus to preview text files, i have the feature turned on but nothing |
| 18:47.12 | format_c | dupa_, no SASL != SSL |
| 18:47.14 | alen | http://www.dict.cc/?s=debian |
| 18:47.23 | format_c | Maybe you describe what you real problem is. |
| 18:47.31 | dupa_ | format_c: ok |
| 18:47.44 | dupa_ | i try setup sendxmpp with prosody |
| 18:47.45 | dupa_ | :( |
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| 18:48.57 | alen | Is the mint version as advertisement-infested like ubuntu? |
| 18:49.06 | LRN | how do i make sshd restart (or reconfigure) when network interfaces change? |
| 18:49.13 | zykotick9 | alen: mint isn't supported here. ask them. |
| 18:49.27 | format_c | The message above sounds like, you have the sasl Perl module installed but not sasl and it's libs itself |
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| 18:49.45 | tigerente | i have no idea...i dont know mint that much...but i suppose it is like mint = ubuntu + stuff |
| 18:49.46 | alen | Ok sorry, still new at this |
| 18:50.05 | Ristovski | alen: new at what if I might ask? |
| 18:50.10 | ompaul | alen: go look at the debian social contract, and go look at the repos main contrib and non-free http://www.debian.org/social_contract http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Debian section 4 cos I can't find the one on the debian site too handy |
| 18:50.14 | Nik05 | tigerente: except for mint debian, but thats not supported here either |
| 18:50.20 | dupa_ | someone know how fix this sasl in perl? |
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| 18:50.33 | Ristovski | dupa_: have you sals installed? |
| 18:50.36 | Ristovski | sasl* |
| 18:51.01 | format_c | do you have this file on your system?: /etc/init.d/saslauthd |
| 18:51.02 | alen | I installed ubuntu just a week ago, and lssr today |
| 18:51.27 | dupa_ | Ristovski: i think yes |
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| 18:51.32 | dupa_ | 18:45 < dupa_> i have libauthen-sasl-perl |
| 18:51.32 | dupa_ | 18:45 < dupa_> with libauthen-sasl-cyrus-perl dont work too |
| 18:51.34 | Ristovski | dupa_: might checking? |
| 18:51.37 | alen | thanks for the links ompaul |
| 18:51.42 | dupa_ | how? |
| 18:51.45 | LRN | i've just started my laptop, logged in, successfully ssh'ed into it from my desktop (laptop had 8P8C plugged in), looked at Network Manager, and saw that wireless is disabled. Enabled wireless, plugged 8P8C out, made sure wireless works on the laptop (pings go through), then tried to ssh to it from my desktop - and failed. |
| 18:51.47 | dupa_ | i dont know perl :( |
| 18:52.12 | Ristovski | dupa_: you dont need to know perl to check if you have a package installed |
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| 18:52.20 | LRN | sshd is configured to listen on all interfaces, but since wireless was down when sshd started, it didn't listen there (at least that's what i think). After restarting sshd everything worked. |
| 18:52.22 | pmo | hahahahah |
| 18:52.22 | ompaul | LRN: and what did the ip address change to |
| 18:52.26 | pmo | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3XNJM_Kamyg |
| 18:52.28 | Ristovski | just open up your package manager and search for sasl in the installed ones |
| 18:52.33 | pmo | err wrong channel!!!! |
| 18:52.40 | pmo | ignore url |
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| 18:52.52 | LRN | ompaul, i have different IP-adresses set up for my wired and wireless cards on DHCP. |
| 18:53.11 | tigerente | ompaul: how is the usage of usbmount? i did man usbmount and it has no manual... |
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| 18:53.27 | dupa_ | Ristovski: # dpkg -l | grep -i sasl | pastebinit |
| 18:53.28 | dupa_ | http://paste.debian.net/237868/ |
| 18:53.45 | LRN | (so the IP-address changed from 192.168.4.56 to 192.168.4.55; yes, i did connect to the right IP-address when i tried to ssh over wireless connection) |
| 18:54.02 | ompaul | LRN: being able to ssh in works in default and so I'm puzzled - suggest you run ssh -vvv |
| 18:54.19 | Bluthang | recent update to 64 bit squeeze now says I have power-management configuration errors - where is this file store? |
| 18:54.29 | Ristovski | dupa_: you have the libs |
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| 18:55.02 | dupa_ | Ristovski: so where is problem :(? |
| 18:55.34 | dupa_ | it looks like client problem becasue when i disable sasl in server I got |
| 18:55.35 | dupa_ | Error 'AuthSend': : [?] |
| 18:55.35 | dupa_ | sendxmpp: Disconnect |
| 18:55.40 | Ristovski | dupa_: download sasl2-bin |
| 18:55.45 | dupa_ | but when is again enabled, then again |
| 18:55.46 | dupa_ | No SASL mechanism found at /usr/share/perl5/Authen/SASL.pm line 77 at /usr/share/perl5/XML/Stream.pm line 2155 |
| 18:55.46 | Ristovski | i mean, install it |
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| 18:57.45 | dupa_ | Ristovski: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=d4CQLKYy |
| 18:57.46 | dupa_ | :( |
| 18:57.57 | ompaul | tigerente: the factoid says: usbmount is a script to automatically mount/umount USB drives as they are inserted/removed: so there is no human interaction but read the reast of it |
| 18:57.58 | tigerente | ompaul: figured it out, thank you |
| 18:57.59 | Ristovski | dupa_: did you install it? |
| 18:58.29 | ompaul | LRN: that is usual, and sshing to them tends to work as long as they are up and so on |
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| 18:59.03 | dupa_ | Ristovski: yes |
| 18:59.04 | tintin | If i run , gdb ./ruby |
| 18:59.05 | tintin | warning: The current binary is a PIE (Position Independent Executable), which |
| 18:59.05 | tintin | GDB does NOT currently support. Most debugger features will fail if used |
| 18:59.06 | tintin | in this session. |
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| 18:59.16 | ompaul | LRN: so what I said was ssh -vvv ipbox put that into http://paste.debian.net and we can maybe see why |
| 18:59.18 | dupa_ | Ristovski: # dpkg -l | grep -i sasl | pastebinit |
| 18:59.19 | dupa_ | http://paste.debian.net/237874/ |
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| 18:59.33 | tintin | warning: The current binary is a PIE (Position Independent Executable), which |
| 18:59.37 | tintin | GDB doesn't support it |
| 18:59.40 | tintin | what to do? |
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| 18:59.49 | tintin | i have crated that ruby executable |
| 19:00.03 | Ristovski | dupa_: weird, sorry but I have no idea what could be wrong |
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| 19:01.26 | dupa_ | Ristovski: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=W2D14EUj |
| 19:01.33 | dupa_ | :( |
| 19:02.22 | Ristovski | weird |
| 19:02.22 | tigerente | ompaul: and for harddisk partitions i still need to mount /dev/blablabla? |
| 19:02.47 | dupa_ | and all is in localhost |
| 19:02.50 | ompaul | tigerente: I guess you didn't do usb mount then |
| 19:03.01 | dupa_ | and iptables allow all localhost connections |
| 19:03.15 | ompaul | tigerente: look at autofs and the rest of your options and pick what works best for you |
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| 19:09.25 | StephenS | Why I cannot open app .exe with wine on debian? |
| 19:09.25 | StephenS | <StephenS> Also wine does not even recognize dirs in C:\ program files, windows is 8 |
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| 19:11.51 | unborn | StephenS, well try to install playonlinux |
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| 19:12.14 | unborn | that was working for me.. but last time ive used kind of sw was in 2009 heh |
| 19:12.47 | unborn | from that time I have windows as virtual if i need it to run special sw for it but that happen only sometimes |
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| 19:18.16 | tigerente | StephenS: not all software work just fine in wine. there is a site, i think, where you can see reports how the specific program runs on wine |
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| 19:22.03 | unborn | http://pastebin.com/7vtawaLf |
| 19:22.12 | unborn | ubuntu irc channel is bad man |
| 19:22.26 | unborn | well you are not free to say anything there |
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| 19:23.11 | tigerente | i read in the debian forums about a guy who was banned from the ubuntu forums for writing a poem joking about unity... |
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| 19:25.27 | unborn | yes.. tigerente i was banned as soon as i mention debian i guess.. i dont really understand those guys but never mind.. sun have shine for everyone :) |
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| 19:29.16 | HS^ | hi i have made a virtual user that logs in via vsftpd to a www folder. but he cant write .. |
| 19:29.23 | HS^ | how do i make a virtual user own a folder |
| 19:29.31 | HS^ | and also so apache can still read it |
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| 19:29.48 | tigerente | "Fascism on Ubuntu Forums?" in the debian forums. this is the thread |
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| 19:30.37 | ompaul | unborn: kind of offtopic for here |
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| 19:30.49 | zykotick9 | tigerente: how is this debian-support related? #debian-offtopic perhaps (but i question if anyone really cares what ubuntu does) |
| 19:30.51 | ompaul | what they do in their space is their own thing |
| 19:31.11 | unborn | ompaul, sorry i did not know there is an offtopic channel |
| 19:31.11 | ompaul | and lastly be aware IRC is not a democracy |
| 19:31.33 | unborn | join #debian-offtopic |
| 19:31.35 | unborn | ah |
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| 19:31.58 | tigerente | zykotick9: this isnt. i just answered a question. |
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| 19:32.32 | unborn | i understand ompaul :) thanks |
| 19:32.51 | unborn | tigerente, im also on offtopic |
| 19:33.31 | tigerente | okay |
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| 19:38.45 | opr | hey guys - i have 2 monitors, one hdmi, and one vga (1360x768) ive just installed the nvidia drivers and only my hdmi monitor is showing the proper resolution. I can't make my VGA one go above 640x480 I've done nvidia-xconfig too and it didn't work |
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| 19:41.47 | bakaneko | opr: rm -f xorg.cong |
| 19:41.53 | bakaneko | conf* |
| 19:42.11 | opr | ok did that |
| 19:42.23 | opr | reboot? |
| 19:42.33 | bakaneko | yep |
| 19:42.40 | bakaneko | then xinit |
| 19:42.45 | bakaneko | and other stuff |
| 19:43.13 | zykotick9 | opr: fyi, nvidia needs either xorg.conf or the snippet in xorg.conf.d in order to work. i'm not sure where bakaneko is going with this |
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| 19:44.30 | bakaneko | I don't have nvidia. It's just ordinary procedure to do. xinit, and startx should reconfigure xorg therselves |
| 19:45.06 | zykotick9 | bakaneko: that's won't help with nvidia. opr |
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| 19:46.01 | bakaneko | http://youtu.be/_36yNWw_07g |
| 19:46.03 | bakaneko | =) |
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| 19:48.55 | bakaneko | Guys, I'm making a new irc client. Wanna see the screenshot? |
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| 19:50.58 | bakaneko | http://i.imgur.com/2y74Yeo.png |
| 19:51.46 | opr | looks cool |
| 19:51.48 | opr | just rebooting now |
| 19:52.05 | LtL | bakaneko: sweet |
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| 19:53.05 | opr | bakaneko, i just rebooted (after swapping my HDMI and VGA cables around on the card) |
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| 19:53.13 | opr | and now im sat at a flashing _ |
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| 19:53.38 | bakaneko | oh thanks. actualy this is html with python backend. needs to be redisigned |
| 19:54.57 | opr | Fatal server error: no screens found |
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| 19:57.42 | bakaneko | the sources are now free :3 http://tiny.cc/magic_irc I'm looking now for css+jquery developers for the redisign. feel free to join |
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| 20:13.46 | Jorgebio | Hi all |
| 20:14.06 | cedr | Hello, Jorgebio. |
| 20:14.21 | Jorgebio | ey cedr |
| 20:14.27 | Jorgebio | I am debian user |
| 20:14.37 | cedr | is as well |
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| 20:15.05 | Jorgebio | there are a lot of people here? |
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| 20:16.14 | cedr | around 1,352 but some are bots. |
| 20:16.28 | mlcmclq | not me :p |
| 20:17.27 | cedr | Jorgebio: you may also want to check out #debian-offtopic :) |
| 20:17.29 | neon__ | what to do if I find bad sectors? |
| 20:18.00 | Jorgebio | sorry? cedr |
| 20:18.05 | nkuttler | neon__: put in a new disk and restore the backups? |
| 20:18.29 | neon__ | I read the faq: These utilities have an important role to fill. If your disk has bad sectors (for example, as revealed by running self-tests with smartmontools) and the disk is not able to recover the data from those sectors, then the disk will not automatically reallocate those damaged sectors from its set of spare sectors, because forcing the reallocation to take place may entail some loss of data. Because the commands that force such reallocation are Vendo |
| 20:18.29 | neon__ | r Specific, most manufacturers provide a utility for this purpose. It may cause data loss but can repair damaged sectors (at least, until it runs out of replacement sectors). |
| 20:19.06 | Jorgebio | cedr, I use debian distro for science |
| 20:19.06 | cedr | Jorgebio: type: "/join #debian-offtopic" - it's a debian related offtopic channel for general chat amongst debian users |
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| 20:19.25 | cedr | you may find it interesting or a new place to chat |
| 20:19.46 | neon__ | does it mean that smart doesnt' automatically move around bad sectors to good sectors? |
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| 20:20.32 | tremon | neon__: yes. it's the disk's firmware that does that, but only on new writes |
| 20:21.14 | tremon | as the faq says, you need a vendor-specific tool to try to recover data in unreadable sectors |
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| 20:21.22 | neon__ | tremon, aha |
| 20:21.29 | tremon | I'd just run with the latest backup and rma the drive |
| 20:21.39 | neon__ | tremon, the drive is out of warranty |
| 20:22.00 | tremon | ok, I'd just run with the latest backup and replace the drive :) |
| 20:22.18 | neon__ | why not just let it fix itself? |
| 20:23.06 | tremon | because my experience is that once a drive starts generating bad sectors, those sectors will multiply fast |
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| 20:23.49 | neon__ | I ran: smartctl -t long /dev/sdb, would that be enough to find all bad sectors so that next install of the os will be safe from old bad sectors? |
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| 20:24.41 | neon__ | is bad sectors indicated by "Reallocated_Event_Count"? |
| 20:24.47 | opr | what's a bad sector? is it a part of the disk that has been ruined? or is it corrupted data or such?> |
| 20:25.11 | neon__ | opr, both |
| 20:25.20 | tremon | more or less, the reallocated event count is the number of times the drive encountered a read error and flagged the sector for relocation |
| 20:25.53 | neon__ | I also have some positive number in Current_Pending_Sector |
| 20:26.07 | tremon | but if it tries to read the same sector 10 times before writing it, you might get 10 events depending on how intelligent the firmware is |
| 20:26.15 | digdilem | you have to decide what your data is worth: Is it worth continuing to use a hdd that is spiralling the drain? |
| 20:26.51 | digdilem | you might get days, weeks or even months out of it. if your backup policy is sound, it may be worth it. All hdd's are just waiting to die at the worst time, anyway |
| 20:26.59 | neon__ | the disk is just for booting a crappy old pc |
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| 20:27.14 | neon__ | not important data digdilem |
| 20:27.54 | digdilem | then fsck. smartctl won't lock out bad sectors afaik |
| 20:28.34 | CuteAlien | hi. Has anyone an idea what I can do when Iceweasel starts to ignore more and more of my settings? I had long time the problem that disabling popups was ignore. Now since last update it ignores the "view" "toolbars" "bookmarks toolbar" and disables it independent of what I set. |
| 20:28.37 | tremon | neither will fsck unless the bad sector is in the fs' metadata :) |
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| 20:28.56 | Ristovski | does debian wheezy by default have multiarch, aka also i386 if you are on 64bit? |
| 20:28.57 | tremon | I suggest badblocks -w, but that will destroy all data currently on the drive |
| 20:29.00 | neon__ | why do u think smrtctl won't lock bad sectors? |
| 20:29.21 | tremon | neon__: smartctl is a diagnostic tool, not a solution |
| 20:29.29 | digdilem | because it's testing, not locking. if the hdd itself decides to lock out bad sectors, fine, but fsck or just using it will do that too |
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| 20:29.59 | neon__ | I want the disk to decide to lock the damn bad sectors |
| 20:30.22 | neon__ | I thought smartctl will cause it to do that |
| 20:30.38 | digdilem | no. |
| 20:30.55 | neon__ | how do you know that no? |
| 20:31.04 | digdilem | because -t is test. |
| 20:31.16 | digdilem | not "diagnose and disable bad sectors" |
| 20:31.59 | neon__ | I am not convinced. Maybe the test is performed in hardware by the disk and it is aware of the results |
| 20:32.12 | digdilem | run it by all means, as we've said, using the hdd may cause its own firmware to lock out bad drives |
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| 20:32.59 | digdilem | how you use it - smartctl -t, fsck, dd, whatever - if the hdd detects bad writes/reads during that usage, it may lock that sector anyway |
| 20:33.20 | digdilem | tbh, you're onto a loser by trying though. the drive is bad. |
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| 20:33.39 | tremon | neon__: locking out bad sectors implies discarding data. you may believe whatever you want, but good diagnostic tools don't destroy data |
| 20:34.26 | tremon | hence the need for a vendor-specific recovery tool |
| 20:34.47 | neon__ | tremon, but I am going to format the disk anyway |
| 20:34.48 | GNU\colossus | sector relocation can be triggered by writing to bad sectors, but it's the dirve firmware deciding if/when to relocate a sector to the spare area |
| 20:35.12 | tremon | neon__: then by all means, see my suggestion above |
| 20:36.13 | digdilem | been almost 20 minutes of discussion now, could have been done already :) |
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| 20:37.43 | neon__ | I think once it is finished, I'll image the disk, and write the image back on to that disk. That aught to show it, bah. |
| 20:37.49 | CuteAlien | ok, starting once in safe-mode and then back in normal mode solved it for unknown reasons. One day I'll have to check that iceweasel sources... |
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| 20:41.21 | zmitya | hi gents |
| 20:41.42 | zmitya | I would like to test my route rules with "ip ro get" command |
| 20:41.55 | zmitya | is it possible to "emulate" the fwmark value ? |
| 20:42.18 | zmitya | I can see TOS only in the manual |
| 20:42.35 | zmitya | can that be used for that ? (sorry if it is a stupid wuestion) |
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| 20:45.29 | neon__ | I don't understand df say 98% of my HD is used, where will i put the image then? How can it be that 98% of my hd is already used? It is almost fresh system! |
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| 20:46.47 | Towzzer | how large was your partition? |
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| 20:46.56 | neon__ | what is the shortest way to get du? 500GB |
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| 20:47.23 | Towzzer | what does shorter mean in this context |
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| 20:47.41 | neon__ | time |
| 20:47.59 | neon__ | I just want the direction to the largest folder |
| 20:48.06 | neon__ | to see what is taking all the space |
| 20:48.24 | gnarface | du -sh? |
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| 20:49.26 | abrotman | neon__: pastebin 'df -h' |
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| 20:50.19 | acu_ | it seem that RC1 for debian wheezy is out, I wonder how long is usually taking to have the stable version ? how many release candidates are usually out before the stable ? |
| 20:50.20 | neon__ | du -sh /* |
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| 20:51.29 | neon__ | gnash-dbg.log 276G |
| 20:52.07 | neon__ | hate gnash |
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| 20:52.41 | gnarface | acu_: uh, isn't it only RC1 of the installer? not all wheezy, i thought... |
| 20:52.51 | tremon | neon__: and with reason. wow |
| 20:52.56 | zykotick9 | acu_: the RC1 is for the installer, not wheezy. wheezy is about 8 weeks behind squeezes' release cycle. |
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| 20:54.03 | neon__ | I rm it |
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| 20:54.18 | abrotman | there's a poor idea |
| 20:54.21 | neon__ | it is now busy rming |
| 20:54.32 | opr | ok so i fixed my nvidia problem |
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| 20:55.15 | Towzzer | I thought wheezy would be done this month |
| 20:55.16 | Towzzer | go figure |
| 20:55.19 | opr | "Option "ModeValidation" "NoMaxPClkCheck" added that and changed one of the nvidia-generated lines to include the resolution i want |
| 20:55.21 | neon__ | y |
| 20:55.26 | opr | then as if by magic it workes |
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| 20:55.38 | acu_ | gnarface and zykotick9 thanks, I do not know how I associate to tightly the installer with wheezy - perhaps because I install wheezy almost always through debian installer |
| 20:56.30 | acu_ | zykotick9, so what exactly that 8 week gap means ? that since 6.07 is out - in aprox 8 weeks from now we have wheezy ? |
| 20:57.58 | zykotick9 | acu_: that's just a bad count of rc bugs, comparing squeeze to wheezy. it's kinda meaningless, as 1 rc bug is too many, and difficulty isn't factored in - so how long to fix, is totally unknown. |
| 20:58.03 | opr | so guys, ive changed the system theme to Gnome classic, is this still Gnome 3 running it, or is it actually gnome 2 taking over? |
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| 20:58.26 | tremon | acu_: it means that at this amount of open rc bugs, squeeze was 8 weeks from being released. that doesn't say much about the current cycle, but it's the best estimate we can give you |
| 20:58.26 | zykotick9 | opr: it's gnome3. |
| 20:58.47 | opr | zykotick9, thought so, cheers :) |
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| 20:59.07 | opr | zykotick9, so to install new themes do i need to install gnome 3 themes or 2? |
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| 20:59.32 | zykotick9 | opr: i have no idea. i don't use gnome3. good luck. (but i HIGHLY doubt you can install gnome2 themes) |
| 20:59.58 | neon__ | is there some tool that just read a block and then write it back to the same place it read it from? |
| 21:00.31 | tremon | neon__: it's called badblocks, and I've mentioned it before |
| 21:00.49 | neon__ | i remember |
| 21:01.03 | tremon | read the manpage, option -n |
| 21:01.05 | neon__ | I didn't know what it was, u said it will wipe my hd |
| 21:01.06 | Ristovski | opr: you cant install gnome2 themes in gnome3 |
| 21:01.20 | Ristovski | if you want gnome2, install mate |
| 21:01.24 | tremon | neon__: the -w option will, yes |
| 21:01.29 | opr | Ristovski, ok thanks, so if im using gnome classic, can i install a gnome 3 theme and that will work with gnome classic? |
| 21:01.29 | Ristovski | its a bit better fork of it |
| 21:01.31 | abrotman | Ristovski: there is no MATE in Debian |
| 21:01.41 | abrotman | Cinnamon is at least in Debian |
| 21:01.49 | Ristovski | abrotman: I am on mate |
| 21:01.54 | abrotman | Ristovski: it's NOT in Debian |
| 21:01.54 | Ristovski | im on testing |
| 21:02.00 | tremon | neon__: I didn't mention any other options because you said you were going to format anyway |
| 21:02.01 | nino | gnome is out :) |
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| 21:02.49 | Ristovski | abrotman: its not in official repos, you can still get it |
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| 21:03.00 | abrotman | Ristovski: thank you for proving my point ... |
| 21:03.03 | Ristovski | opr: no you cant |
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| 21:03.25 | abrotman | opr: honestly, if you don't like gnome3, i'd suggest going with osmething like xfce or lxde |
| 21:03.35 | opr | abrotman, i like gnome classic |
| 21:03.44 | abrotman | opr: right, but that's going away eventually |
| 21:03.50 | new[] | After upgrading Debian to 6.0.7 from 6.0.6... wireless networks in nm-applet aren't listed and it says i'm disconnected even though I am in fact connected. |
| 21:03.55 | opr | really? why should they remove it from me I like it |
| 21:04.15 | abrotman | opr: ask them, I have no idea .. Gnome devs removed it for gnome3.8 I believe |
| 21:04.15 | angs | I am connected to my AP through the wifi interface. but the device does not get the IP address although I assign a static IP on /etc/network/interfaces. here is my settings http://pastebin.com/QPhYuEmX . could anyone tell me how I can fix it? |
| 21:04.23 | abrotman | angs: what is uname -r ? |
| 21:04.26 | Ristovski | opr: i suggest you getting mate, its basically the same as gnome-classic |
| 21:04.37 | angs | 3.7.1 |
| 21:04.41 | abrotman | would prefer if MATE died a horrible death |
| 21:04.44 | opr | well, gnome3 gnome-classic is not the same as gnome2 exactly |
| 21:04.48 | abrotman | angs: that is not uname -r |
| 21:04.49 | neon__ | tremon, I have a rescue partition, that may be dependent on some information on that partition, but I am not sure. For this reason I don't want to erase it |
| 21:05.01 | opr | there's some subtle differences I like |
| 21:05.01 | Ristovski | abrotman: why? |
| 21:05.02 | abrotman | angs: self compiled? |
| 21:05.05 | Ristovski | mate is good for some |
| 21:05.13 | abrotman | Ristovski: so is DOS |
| 21:05.13 | angs | abrotman, yes I compiled it. |
| 21:05.23 | tremon | neon__: you can also run badblocks just on a partition |
| 21:05.33 | abrotman | angs: does it get the static IP and then change it later? |
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| 21:05.47 | Ristovski | abrotman: youre comparing a desktop environment with a operating system |
| 21:05.58 | opr | what is the command that opens the terminal /usr/bin/xterm is the wrong type of terminal |
| 21:06.09 | abrotman | Ristovski: okay, FVWM is also good for some .. happy? |
| 21:06.15 | Ristovski | opr: gnome-terminal |
| 21:06.16 | neon__ | tremon, I am not sure how that partion is called. I tried running gparted, but it hanged |
| 21:06.20 | Ristovski | abrotman: yes |
| 21:06.21 | opr | Ristovski, thanks |
| 21:06.25 | abrotman | Ristovski: gnome2 is dead, just get over it. |
| 21:06.27 | angs | abrotman, I assigned a static IP on /etc/network/interfaces, however ifconfig does not show that the device gets the IP. It seems weird. do you have any idea what could be the reason of it? |
| 21:06.34 | Ristovski | abrotman: I know, mate isnt dead tho |
| 21:06.46 | abrotman | should be |
| 21:07.02 | abrotman | angs: it gets an IP though? |
| 21:07.09 | nino | gnome,gnome2,gnome 3 bad solution per default |
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| 21:07.35 | abrotman | angs: where's your auto wlan3 line? and also, your wlan3 is set to dhcp, not statuic |
| 21:07.36 | angs | abrotman, here is ifconfig and some other outputs, http://pastebin.com/QPhYuEmX |
| 21:08.04 | neon__ | tremon, I think I'll do the -n |
| 21:08.05 | angs | abrotman, ups I forgot to change it :s |
| 21:08.09 | abrotman | angs: man interfaces .. try again |
| 21:08.12 | angs | thank you |
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| 21:09.08 | dio_ | hello i need help seting up a server using debian any manual links would help |
| 21:09.16 | abrotman | server to do what? |
| 21:09.19 | Towzzer | holy diver |
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| 21:09.33 | Ristovski | dio_: a webserver? |
| 21:09.38 | dio_ | for home use file and printing sharing |
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| 21:09.39 | neon__ | tremon, should I use -t random? |
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| 21:09.57 | dio_ | no web server |
| 21:10.27 | Ristovski | dio_: on a local network? |
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| 21:10.34 | abrotman | mate is going to end up like trinity |
| 21:10.38 | dio_ | yep local |
| 21:10.50 | abrotman | dio_: to serve what? |
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| 21:10.58 | abrotman | oh .. sorry |
| 21:11.04 | abrotman | dio_: so start with samba, read the docs |
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| 21:11.14 | abrotman | dio_: which version of Linux is this? |
| 21:11.16 | mac- | hey |
| 21:11.21 | dio_ | i install samba alredy |
| 21:11.34 | mac- | I wish to change booting from X session login to text console |
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| 21:11.45 | abrotman | !tell mac- about nodm |
| 21:11.58 | mac- | great |
| 21:11.59 | mac- | :D |
| 21:12.02 | mac- | tell me |
| 21:12.02 | mac- | :d |
| 21:12.10 | abrotman | the bot told you |
| 21:12.16 | mac- | ok |
| 21:12.46 | dio_ | Debian 6.0.7 |
| 21:12.59 | neon__ | what does this mean? http://paste.debian.net/237907/ |
| 21:13.04 | abrotman | dio_: have you read the samba docs? |
| 21:13.13 | dio_ | kernel 2.6.32-5-686 |
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| 21:14.21 | dio_ | i got the samba setup from the debian link |
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| 21:14.53 | dio_ | i will past the link hold on |
| 21:15.04 | abrotman | dio_: do you actually have a specific question ? |
| 21:15.46 | dio_ | http://www.webmaster.cm/threads/debian-server-setup-for-beginners.615/ |
| 21:16.39 | dio_ | i did folowing setup as above link and i can find a server on rest of my computers |
| 21:16.52 | dio_ | can't* |
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| 21:17.08 | Contingency | Hello everyone :D |
| 21:17.42 | abrotman | dio_: have you tried using SWAT? |
| 21:17.53 | opr | how can i get compiz settings manager in wheezy |
| 21:17.54 | dio_ | What is SWAT |
| 21:18.07 | abrotman | dio_: ugh, don't use that guide .. it's telling you to use broken stuff |
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| 21:18.22 | zykotick9 | opr: with difficulty ;) i believe compiz was removed from wheezy wasn't it? |
| 21:18.28 | dio_ | any link that could help me ? |
| 21:18.44 | abrotman | no compiz in wheezy |
| 21:19.10 | abrotman | dpkg: tell dio_ about swat |
| 21:19.33 | opr | zykotick9, omg why are they wrecking everything I like |
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| 21:19.55 | opr | zykotick9, so now how do I make my windows wobble and have rain on my screen? |
| 21:20.11 | zykotick9 | opr: wrecking nothing. compiz has always been a resource hog that caused issues. |
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| 21:20.29 | ctmjr | put it in the shower and shake it |
| 21:20.33 | opr | lol |
| 21:20.40 | Contingency | Would anyone here be interested in working on a custom linux distro? |
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| 21:20.49 | zykotick9 | opr: btw, what i just said is NOT why it was removed, there is a bug (i used to have bookmarked but no longer) |
| 21:20.52 | abrotman | Contingency: do you need help with Debian? |
| 21:21.31 | well_laid_lawn | I don't think another distro is needed |
| 21:21.49 | Contingency | Not neccessarily another distro more of just a custom one for fun :D |
| 21:21.58 | Contingency | necessarily* |
| 21:22.03 | opr | sounds cool, but I don't have time |
| 21:22.03 | Contingency | abrotman: Nope :D |
| 21:22.07 | abrotman | Contingency: this channel is for Debian support, try #defocus |
| 21:22.20 | Contingency | abrotman: I will thanks |
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| 21:22.29 | zykotick9 | well_laid_lawn: as there already is a "universal os" i agree ;) |
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| 21:24.26 | abrotman | dio_: please keep it in the channel, thank you |
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| 21:24.43 | dio_ | okey dokey |
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| 21:25.37 | Contingency | dio_: he is mean its okay lol |
| 21:25.44 | angs | I have debian squeeze on 3.7.1 kernel. I need to install kernel-headers for that kernel, however apt-get update && apt-cache search kernel-headers-* outputs for only 2.6* . is it possible to install kernel-headers for 3.7.1 by apt-get install? |
| 21:25.55 | abrotman | Contingency: i thought you were going to #defocus? |
| 21:26.06 | abrotman | angs: squeeze doesn't have that kernel |
| 21:26.15 | abrotman | angs: dpkg -l libc6 .. what's the version string? |
| 21:26.40 | angs | abrotman: 2.11.3-4 |
| 21:26.47 | dio_ | i kind of understan his job it is like controling the zoo here |
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| 21:27.10 | Contingency | abrotman: I am lol doesnt mean I cant stay around? |
| 21:27.18 | abrotman | angs: so you told me you compiled your own kernel, is that not true? |
| 21:27.28 | abrotman | Contingency: you don't have to be a pain in the neck |
| 21:27.52 | Contingency | abrotman: and you dont have to make it so easy :D |
| 21:28.00 | angs | abrotman: I did, but I was following an instruction. are you pointing that I should do it on make menuconfig? |
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| 21:28.16 | dio_ | i just will wait for turn to get me a link to someplace to read the server setup for home |
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| 21:28.36 | abrotman | Contingency: please go play somewhere else, thank you |
| 21:28.51 | abrotman | angs: when you use make-kpkg, you can create a headers package |
| 21:29.02 | angs | thank you abrotman |
| 21:29.03 | abrotman | dio_: have yo uchecked the Debian wiki ? |
| 21:29.14 | dio_ | nope |
| 21:29.22 | dio_ | brb in second |
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| 21:30.20 | abrotman | dio_: http://www.google.com/search?client=safari&rls=i686&q=home+server+squeeze+samba+print&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8 .. look through some of those .. if you like one, ask someone here to verify the sanity |
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| 21:32.19 | dio_ | tnx for the help talk later |
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| 21:43.41 | opr | <opr> so i changed theme back to "GNOME" on my login screen and it's still gnome classic |
| 21:43.41 | opr | <opr> oops |
| 21:43.41 | opr | <opr> how do i get gnome 3 back, i guess I might as well embrace it since it's being forced upon me :( |
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| 21:49.01 | m0ksha | hi, when setting cloned mac address in network-manager I can no longer connect to wifi network. Anyone know how to fix this? Thanks. |
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| 21:56.09 | hobodebian | blueman doesnt work for me on debian squeeze, can anyone help me? |
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| 22:00.51 | neon__ | I ran badblocks -n. It outputs numbers like 293820. I wonder how long it will take it (320GB, 2.5 inch) |
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| 22:13.36 | nick_h | after "aptitude safe-upgrade" finished running, it said "Current status: 0 updates [-14]." what does the -14 mean? |
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| 22:21.03 | k-t | nick_h: it means there were 14 upgradable packages before |
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| 22:22.21 | nick_h | k-t: thanks! |
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| 22:32.33 | adh0c | Anyone why a dist-upgrade is returning this error: |
| 22:32.37 | adh0c | W: Failed to fetch bzip2:/var/lib/apt/lists/partial/http.debian.net_debian_dists_wheezy_main_binary-amd64_Packages Hash Sum mismatch |
| 22:32.38 | adh0c | ? |
| 22:32.59 | onitaL | I just wait a few hours and apt-get update again |
| 22:33.00 | abrotman | adh0c: try again ? |
| 22:33.19 | rozie | or use http.debian.net |
| 22:33.33 | onitaL | or temporary switch mirrors |
| 22:33.49 | abrotman | rozie: he is ... |
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| 22:34.09 | adh0c | I may try switching to ftp then. |
| 22:34.17 | abrotman | won't help |
| 22:34.56 | adh0c | Ack - I may be too impatient to wait, want to get my system configured before work tomorrow. |
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| 22:37.08 | opr | so i changed theme back to "GNOME" on my login screen and it's still gnome classic, how do i get gnome 3 back, i guess I might as well embrace it since it's being forced upon me :( |
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| 22:38.17 | dequeued | opr, it's for your own good they know better than you and they need to protect their brand |
| 22:38.56 | mtn | opr: maybe system settings, details, graphics? |
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| 22:40.01 | abrotman | opr: did you select gnome in the session manager? |
| 22:41.25 | vladino | how i use debian 6.0.7 amd64 and like to install skype. And i see its a heavy problem, even if i searched wiki, icant make skype running can you help? |
| 22:41.56 | bakaneko | vladino: wai? |
| 22:42.22 | vladino | :-D because |
| 22:42.49 | bakaneko | dpkg -i skaip.deb |
| 22:42.49 | dpkg | package skaip.deb is already installed |
| 22:43.10 | abrotman | vladino: ask skype.com for support |
| 22:43.16 | opr | abrotman, is the "session manager" the login screen ? |
| 22:43.56 | opr | mtn it says im on fallback |
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| 22:46.00 | mtn | opr: well, change it and see if that helps :) |
| 22:46.08 | opr | mtn i can't change it from that list |
| 22:46.08 | jhutchins_wk | !skype |
| 22:46.08 | dpkg | Skype is a proprietary cross-platform <VoIP> service and application owned by Microsoft. Debian cannot distribute the application due to its restrictive license and is therefore not supported in #debian. See http://wiki.debian.org/skype and ask me about <skype squeeze> for community-contributed information. Consider using a free software alternative such as <ekiga>, <empathy> or <linphone>. |
| 22:46.49 | mtn | opr: then you have a graphics driver problem. did you ever have gnome 3 working? what did you change, if so? |
| 22:47.23 | opr | mtn yeah i had it working when i first installed wheezy (about 3h ago) and i just changed the login screen menu to gnome classic (fallback( |
| 22:47.26 | opr | and now it won't go back to gnome 3 |
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| 22:48.08 | mtn | opr: sounds like something else is going to me, but I don't know |
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| 22:50.08 | MorpheusXNL | maybe weird question but what is the best desktop environment for debian xfce kde gnome? |
| 22:50.32 | k-t | depends on your preferences |
| 22:50.40 | die7 | the best is that what you like |
| 22:50.51 | die7 | I use flux |
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| 22:51.21 | MorpheusXNL | die7 flux i tried that ones but could not get that configured in a good way |
| 22:51.27 | die7 | kde gnome is to big to overloaded to hungry |
| 22:51.34 | aguitel | how make autologin in squeeze ? |
| 22:51.36 | die7 | xfce is or my opinion ugly |
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| 22:52.09 | bolt | aguitel: depends entirely on your setup. console? try rungetty. |
| 22:52.15 | bakaneko | MorpheusXNL: MATE |
| 22:52.22 | opr | with ekiga empathy or linphone can i still connect to and make calls on the skype network ? |
| 22:52.31 | aguitel | bolt, gui |
| 22:52.32 | die7 | MorpheusXNL, it is not so hard in www you will find enough howtos |
| 22:52.33 | neon__ | I am in the middle of badblocks -n /dev/sdb, and I ran iotop, and I don't see that badblocks process there |
| 22:52.40 | mtn | opr: no |
| 22:52.40 | MorpheusXNL | bakaneko what is mate |
| 22:53.00 | bakaneko | MorpheusXNL: http://mate-desktop.org/ |
| 22:53.14 | bolt | aguitel: you need to figure out which desktop manager you're using, then check its manual |
| 22:53.26 | aguitel | bolt, ok |
| 22:53.27 | opr | are there any open-source alternatives to skype that still let you use the skype network? |
| 22:53.32 | aguitel | bolt, gnome |
| 22:53.39 | mtn | opr: I don't think so. |
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| 22:54.15 | bolt | aguitel: gdmsetup |
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| 22:54.30 | opr | do you think reinstalling gdm will fix my gnome 3 problem ? |
| 22:54.41 | aguitel | bolt, thanks |
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| 22:55.01 | wjtaylor | Do I have to manually stop badblocks from running the nondestructive test? It's been running for days. |
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| 22:55.26 | die7 | opr, which grafic card you have? |
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| 22:57.07 | opr | die7, nvidia 560 ti |
| 22:57.53 | die7 | opr, well it should work per default, why not wait for offical relase |
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| 22:58.47 | MorpheusXNL | bakaneko, why should is choose MATE above for example kde |
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| 22:59.35 | KillmeSoftly | hi i am new to the pi and raspbian and havent used linux in ages so forgive this stupid question...in the terminal what is the command to configure the pi..like timezone and locale, etc. |
| 22:59.48 | KillmeSoftly | its something 'config' |
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| 23:00.27 | KsM | KillmeSoftly: ask in #raspbian |
| 23:00.53 | KillmeSoftly | oh shit im sorry |
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| 23:03.52 | aguitel | how install libreoffice in squeeze ? |
| 23:04.19 | Nik05 | ,versions libreoffice |
| 23:04.20 | judd | Package: libreoffice on i386 -- squeeze-backports: 1:3.4.6-2~bpo60+2; squeeze-backports: 1:3.5.4+dfsg-3~bpo60+2; sid: 1:3.5.4+dfsg-4; wheezy: 1:3.5.4+dfsg-4; experimental: 1:4.0.0-1 |
| 23:04.25 | bakaneko | MorpheusXNL: Because mate is a fork of gnome2 which is better then kde xD |
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| 23:04.44 | Nik05 | so probably though backports |
| 23:04.47 | abrotman | !tell aguitel about bpo |
| 23:04.48 | Nik05 | through |
| 23:05.08 | abrotman | MATE is NOT in Debian, and not supported here |
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| 23:06.57 | MorpheusXNL | bakaneko, and how do i install MATE in debian squeeze |
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| 23:07.36 | aah | Hi. I'm running Debian Squeeze 6.0.7. My screensaver and power management randomly stop respecting the settings after a while. Why could this be? |
| 23:07.37 | aguitel | abrotman, thanks |
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| 23:08.22 | abrotman | MorpheusXNL: you don't need to, squeeze has gnome2 |
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| 23:08.44 | abrotman | MorpheusXNL: and as previously stated, MATE is not supported here, you'll have to ask their support channel |
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| 23:09.52 | MorpheusXNL | abrotman thanks |
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| 23:11.18 | denstark | Hallo! Not sure if this is asked often, but are there any plans to have some better formatting on apt (or dpkg)? |
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| 23:11.55 | denstark | (Output text formatting is what I meant) |
| 23:12.13 | Nik05 | what kind of formatting? |
| 23:12.20 | abrotman | denstark: formatting of what? |
| 23:12.46 | denstark | Let me get an example, sec |
| 23:13.07 | Nik05 | its late so write big |
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| 23:15.43 | denstark | For example, here is updating mysql via yum: http://paste.debian.net/237940/ |
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| 23:16.34 | abrotman | why are you asking us about yum ? |
| 23:16.39 | denstark | I'm not |
| 23:16.45 | denstark | I'm comparing apt's output to yum's |
| 23:16.51 | abrotman | oh |
| 23:16.52 | denstark | sec, I'm running the same thing on my laptop |
| 23:17.09 | abrotman | you can submit patches to clean up the output .. |
| 23:17.14 | abrotman | if you think it's not workable |
| 23:17.31 | Nik05 | its already really clean... |
| 23:17.54 | abrotman | denstark: i'm not aware of any initiative to prettify the output |
| 23:18.27 | denstark | http://paste.debian.net/237941/ this is the same thing in apt |
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| 23:18.47 | denstark | abrotman: thanks, that's all I wanted to know :) maybe I'll take some time and submit a patch |
| 23:19.04 | Nik05 | yes denstark? |
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| 23:19.15 | Nik05 | isnt that much more informative? |
| 23:19.23 | denstark | I'm not saying include less info |
| 23:19.26 | Nik05 | is that a word, informative? |
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| 23:19.35 | denstark | I'm just saying it's less easily readable |
| 23:19.44 | derkollektor | most definitely a word |
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| 23:20.05 | aguitel | anyway to remove evolution in suqeeze ? |
| 23:20.45 | Nik05 | apt-get/aptitude remove evolution? |
| 23:21.19 | denstark | On that note, which is the better one to use -- apt-get or aptitude? Are there any pitfalls to using either or both together? |
| 23:21.45 | abrotman | denstark: you can use them both together .. biggest difference is problem resolution |
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| 23:23.06 | denstark | aboudreault: Ok, cool. Thanks! |
| 23:23.23 | deuterium | apticron lists a plethora of package updates for my squeeze boxes. is this due to 6.0.7? do i need to expect that things break on a vanilla squeeze when i upgrade? |
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| 23:23.47 | abrotman | deuterium: seems likely, and no, shouldn't break anything |
| 23:23.50 | abrotman | that's the idea |
| 23:24.05 | deuterium | abrotman: ok, thanks |
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| 23:32.04 | rryoumaa | !tell me about apticron |
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| 23:42.36 | apofis | hi everyone |
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| 23:43.46 | apofis | Im looking for a hardened version od Debian kernels (2.6.32-5-amd64) any suggestions, ideas :) ? |
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| 23:44.09 | zykotick9 | aguitel: to remove evolution in squeeze breaks the gnome meta-package(s) and is WAY more bother then it's worth. just leave it. [you'd need to mark a lot of packages as manually installed in order to "break" the metapackages] |
| 23:44.41 | aguitel | zykotick9, ok |
| 23:49.00 | zykotick9 | aguitel left. and i kinda felt bad for my answer, so i went hunting for the link - and now i've found it. "if you _really_ want to remove evolution see this link for further details http://tanguy.ortolo.eu/blog/article8/uninstall-meta-package " |
| 23:49.55 | owen1 | after power outage at my house, my debian server refused to boot. i see 'init: can't open /scripts/functions'. i tried using a live cd and get the same error with some more info - a few lines with: syscall_call, sys_exit_group, do_group_ext, redirected_tty_write, do_exit and panic. anything i should look into? |
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| 23:50.31 | HelloShitty | hi guys |
| 23:50.42 | apofis | hi |
| 23:50.43 | HelloShitty | what is sth in linux? i have no idea |
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| 23:51.46 | apofis | @owen1 I would check if everything is fine with the file system |
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| 23:52.00 | owen1 | apofis: awesome. how do i do that? |
| 23:52.05 | neon__ | tremon, do u know how long it take badblocks to run? |
| 23:52.05 | apofis | @owen1 it seems to be broken |
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| 23:52.39 | owen1 | i also see 'pid: 1, comm: init not tainted 2.6.32-5-686 #1' |
| 23:53.00 | apofis | @owen1 boot from liveCD (Knoppix for example) http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/repairing-linux-ext2-or-ext3-file-system.html |
| 23:53.12 | abrotman | apofis: ow<tab> |
| 23:53.25 | abrotman | this isn't twitter |
| 23:53.35 | owen1 | apofis: does it matter if it's ubuntu live cd or knoppix? i try with ubuntu but i still see that error |
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| 23:54.09 | apofis | @owen1 it doesnt matter you can use most of the liveCDs |
| 23:54.15 | aguitel | how enable sudo in suqeeze ? |
| 23:54.31 | Brigo | aguitel: apt-get install sudo? |
| 23:54.32 | apofis | @aquitel: apt-get install sudo ? |
| 23:54.41 | Brigo | apofis: :-) |
| 23:54.41 | apofis | :D |
| 23:54.58 | aguitel | Brigo, and then |
| 23:54.58 | abrotman | apofis: this is not twitter |
| 23:55.12 | abrotman | aguitel: you have to configure it, man sudoers |
| 23:55.12 | owen1 | apofis: ok. that's what i did. i also went to the bios to change the boot order, let me do that again and you guys can tell me where is the cd rom in the list. |
| 23:55.32 | apofis | @abrotman: roger that; sorry |
| 23:55.39 | abrotman | apofis: stop with the @ |
| 23:55.39 | zykotick9 | aguitel is back. <while you where away> "if you _really_ want to remove evolution see this link for further details http://tanguy.ortolo.eu/blog/article8/uninstall-meta-package " |
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| 23:56.01 | aguitel | zykotick9, thanks |
| 23:56.17 | apofis | abrotman: I was using @ long time before Twitter ;) |
| 23:56.33 | abrotman | sure .. |
| 23:57.12 | owen1 | apofis: i see the debian installer boot menu. the options are install/graphical install/advanced options/help/install with speech synthesis. does it mean i don't have live CD here? |
| 23:57.43 | abrotman | advanced ? |
| 23:57.52 | abrotman | !tell owen1 about rescue |
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| 23:59.55 | apofis | Im looking for hardened version of Debian kernel (including grsec patch) any ideas where I can find it ? on repo only patch itself is available |
