| 00:00.26 | abrotman | apofis: that's what Debian has |
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| 00:00.56 | apofis | abrotman: means I need to apply patch myself I guess |
| 00:01.00 | abrotman | apofis: right |
| 00:01.10 | abrotman | apofis: not sure what you're looking for, there is also the SELinux stuff |
| 00:01.51 | apofis | abrotman: meain goal is to limit visibility of processes in the system; user should be able to see only his own processes |
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| 00:02.39 | apofis | abrotman: not sure if there are some other ways to do it |
| 00:02.50 | abrotman | you can read the selinux docs, see if it might apply |
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| 00:03.32 | owen1 | apofis: abrotman: interesting. the faq say i can use debian installer and switch to VT2 and run some chroot commands (which i am not sure what they would do). am i in the right direction? |
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| 00:04.07 | abrotman | owen1: you can, you're trying to fsck your filesystem? |
| 00:04.51 | apofis | abrotman: owen1: fsck at first |
| 00:04.52 | owen1 | abrotman: i want to bring my computer back to life and if not, at least understand what should i replace. |
| 00:06.01 | owen1 | apofis: abrotman so i should choose 'install' in the menu and go to VT2 so i can follow http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/repairing-linux-ext2-or-ext3-file-system.html ? |
| 00:06.38 | boudiccas | owen1: if its wheezy you're heading towwards, its ext 4 only |
| 00:07.04 | abrotman | boudiccas: this is a rescue .. not an install |
| 00:07.21 | boudiccas | abrotman: ah, fair enough, sorry for the noise |
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| 00:15.49 | owen1 | i tried the 'install' option and get: this kernel requires an x86-64 cpu, but only detected an i686 cpu. |
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| 00:45.28 | owen1 | i am running fsck.ext4 /dev/sda1 but hoping i chose the correct one. i also noticed .ext2 and .ext3 |
| 00:46.23 | owen1 | the results are: multiple lines of 'clearing orphoned inode...' and the last line is: 'clean' |
| 00:46.54 | owen1 | abrotman: apofis: what can i do with this insight? |
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| 00:48.01 | abrotman | owen1: still won't boot ? |
| 00:48.58 | apofis | owen1: if fsck finished its job, try to reboot server |
| 00:50.25 | owen1 | apofis: ok. trying it now |
| 00:50.49 | owen1 | ejecting the live cd and restarting |
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| 00:52.17 | owen1 | got the same error - can't open scripts/functions |
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| 01:00.00 | apofis | owen1: not sure how critical this system is but it seems that some parts of it were damaged, you can try to boot again using liveCD and reinstall necessary packages (but this is quite time consuming process ) |
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| 01:00.38 | apofis | owen1: probably reinstall would be the fastes way to bring it up but as I said Ive no idea how critical is this box |
| 01:02.02 | neon__ | why does it take badblocks so long to run? |
| 01:02.14 | owen1 | apofis: so my harddisk is not damaged? |
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| 01:02.55 | owen1 | apofis: is there a way to access my files? or forget about it and just reinstall debian |
| 01:02.59 | neon__ | I bet the whole disk could be both read and written by the time it takes it. |
| 01:03.50 | apofis | owen1: if checks was done (fsck) now you filesystem should be fine - you can mount it and copy what is need |
| 01:05.14 | neon__ | it now output 626158. The default block size in the man page is 1024 i.e. 1K. Does this mean that so far in several hours it ran only over about 600MB? |
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| 01:06.10 | owen1 | apofis: i used the mount command to mount my usb. should i simply create an empty folder and mount to it /dev/dsa1 ? |
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| 01:06.32 | owen1 | apofis: i mean mount /dev/sda1 to the empty folder |
| 01:06.46 | apofis | owen1: yeah |
| 01:06.59 | owen1 | apofis: awesome. thanks! |
| 01:07.09 | apofis | owen1: np |
| 01:07.36 | owen1 | apofis: and use the live cd, switch to VT2 just like before? |
| 01:08.20 | apofis | owen1: yes - from liveCD level you should be able to get access to your hard drive |
| 01:08.24 | owen1 | and after i mount it to the empty folder, i can connect an external drive and save whatever i want |
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| 01:10.06 | perlbrew | I can't install perlbrew on debian/squeeze with latest/newest packages (apt-get update && apt-get upgrade). following command: perlbrew install perl-5.16.0 gives me following error: http://paste.scsys.co.uk/232208 |
| 01:11.22 | Towzzer | 32-bit vs 64-bit somewher |
| 01:12.09 | Towzzer | try apt-get install glibc-devel.i686 libgcc.i686 |
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| 01:18.28 | perlbrew | Towzzer: thank you |
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| 01:24.50 | Towzzer | :) |
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| 01:27.00 | bluesm | Hi. |
| 01:27.23 | bluesm | Is there a way in curl. To imitate "clicking in submit button" ? |
| 01:27.54 | bluesm | I mean take all "hidden" and not inputs and send them (also with my data provided) |
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| 01:31.14 | Matip | do you know how you restore a rsnapshop snapshot? it seems the idea is to restore it in a different partition, but I want it to replace /. any idea? |
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| 01:45.49 | owen1 | installing debian and i see a crazy red screen: warning: file:///cdrom/pool/main/a/attr/libattr1_2.4.44-2_i386.deb was corrupt |
| 01:45.51 | owen1 | any ideas? |
| 01:46.06 | owen1 | debootstrap warning |
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| 01:51.35 | abrotman | it's corrupt, try again |
| 01:51.51 | owen1 | abrotman: ok. thanks |
| 01:52.40 | dvs | doesn't know how abrotman does it. |
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| 01:58.23 | owen1 | abrotman: it happened again. so my cd is corrupt? |
| 01:58.34 | abrotman | owen1: it's quite possible .. |
| 01:58.44 | abrotman | or the ISO is corrupt |
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| 02:00.56 | owen1 | abrotman: ok. i'll look for another iso online. should i use testing or stable? it's not a critical server. it's my home machine. |
| 02:01.37 | abrotman | owen1: up to you .. if it's accessible from the internet, i'd use stable |
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| 02:02.24 | owen1 | abrotman: ok. i'll burn squeeze. too bad my machine can't boot from a usb |
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| 02:07.35 | quinten | is this the right forum for debian-arm? or is there a more specific channel |
| 02:08.14 | abrotman | quinten: you can try here or #debian-arm on irc.oftc.net |
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| 02:08.37 | quinten | i'd like to install debian on my seagate goflex, which is currently running archlinux-arm |
| 02:08.59 | quinten | i looked for a guide but I wasn't sure, I haven't upgraded a running linux system to a different system before |
| 02:09.11 | quinten | and i'm not sure how to rescue the system if I make a mistake |
| 02:09.21 | quinten | no vga output |
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| 02:09.48 | abrotman | quinten: you sohuld probably ask them, and make sure you ask about debootstrap |
| 02:10.09 | quinten | abrotman, you mean try on irc.oftc.net? |
| 02:10.33 | abrotman | yes |
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| 02:12.22 | quinten | ok, thanks I will try that |
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| 02:50.46 | Matip | is there a way to copy a dir into another dir, replacing the files that already exists? |
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| 02:55.03 | abrotman | Matip: rsync nmight be easiest to do this with |
| 02:55.18 | abrotman | Matip: cp doesnt have an overwrite? |
| 02:55.42 | abrotman | eh, yeah, cp shuld do that |
| 02:56.39 | Matip | hmn.. |
| 02:56.43 | Matip | I cp -rf and it didn't |
| 02:56.47 | Matip | let me check the man |
| 02:57.18 | dvs | waits |
| 02:58.10 | Matip | abrotman, where is it? |
| 02:58.22 | Matip | I can't find any --overwrite like arg |
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| 03:09.33 | Matip | it doesn't work. same for rsync |
| 03:09.41 | Matip | it's not overwriting the files |
| 03:11.12 | Tramp | Matip: overwriting is the default behaviour for cp -a (and probably also -r, but -r is a broken -a). Not sure, what you are doing |
| 03:13.16 | Matip | Tramp, I'm trying to copy a dir into another dir, overwriting existing files |
| 03:13.28 | Tramp | Matip: in case you don't believe me: mkdir s t; touch s/foo; cp /etc/hosts t/foo; cp -a s/. t; ls -l t/foo - Voila, t/foo is overwritten (empty) |
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| 03:13.42 | Matip | is trying with -a |
| 03:15.58 | Matip | I don't know what I'm doing wrong.. but |
| 03:15.59 | Matip | # diff /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/000-default /etc.backup/apache2/sites-enabled/000-default |
| 03:16.02 | Matip | is not empty |
| 03:16.24 | Matip | # cp -af /etc.backup /etc |
| 03:16.29 | Matip | this is what I'm executed ^ |
| 03:16.46 | Matip | Tramp |
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| 03:17.27 | _DomY-Dom | On my debian server, I am trying to delete this user and it tells me that he is still logged in though I am 100% sure that he is not |
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| 03:18.58 | Tramp | Matip: (1) drop the f. It makes no sense. cp -a /etc.backup/. /etc - the way you did it, you probably have now /etc/etc.backup and ofc. nothing in /etc has changed |
| 03:19.37 | Matip | lol |
| 03:19.41 | Tramp | ... and because there is lots of stuff in /etc, you didn't notice the /etc/etc.backup |
| 03:19.42 | Matip | let me see |
| 03:19.50 | Tramp | is there a /etc/etc.backup? |
| 03:20.10 | Matip | yeah, you're right :) |
| 03:20.18 | Tramp | there you go. |
| 03:20.23 | Tramp | Check http://tramp.mm.st/recursively-copy-a-directory-using-cp-tar-or-rsync.txt |
| 03:20.34 | Tramp | might make an interesting read for the future |
| 03:20.40 | abrotman | _DomY-Dom: how did oyu check ? |
| 03:21.25 | _DomY-Dom | abrotman: I asked the person whow as logged in to log out. He logged out and rebooted his laptop. |
| 03:22.42 | _DomY-Dom | abrotman: and typing "users" doesn't list me his name |
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| 03:24.04 | abrotman | _DomY-Dom: lsof | grep <username> .. maybe? |
| 03:24.13 | Tramp | _DomY-Dom: the manpage of deluser (which you seem to use) says that it checks, if the user has still processes running |
| 03:25.09 | Tramp | _DomY-Dom: I think that (1) you probably should use userdel (2) you can go ahead after using pkill to kill the processes (unless they are needed for National Security, ofc) |
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| 03:31.07 | Devastator | does debian have a wiki entry or factoid on how to make a service daemon? |
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| 03:31.34 | AlexLikeRock | on start up? |
| 03:31.41 | Devastator | yes |
| 03:33.03 | AlexLikeRock | starup aplications with "gnome-session-properties" |
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| 03:33.38 | Devastator | this is a router, no gnome or X |
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| 03:38.40 | abrotman | Devastator: see /etc/init.d/skeleton |
| 03:38.55 | Devastator | abrotman thanks! |
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| 03:39.55 | rweitz | Hi. Am trying to install debian on a Lenovo x230. The installer says that it needs firmware files iwlwifi-6000g2a-6 and g2a-5. I found the g2a-f file from a tarball on intel's website - where can i find the g2a-6 file? |
| 03:40.37 | AlexLikeRock | yes , buecause debian cd/DVD onli contain "free software" |
| 03:41.13 | rweitz | AlexLikeRock: yep, that is okay. But i would still want to install and use debian on the laptop. am looking for pointers where i can download that driver version from :/ |
| 03:41.56 | AlexLikeRock | yu can search propietari software on http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=search |
| 03:42.38 | rweitz | It is not included as a package. It is a kernel module. I don't have the debian system up yet. I want to get and use the firmware during installation |
| 03:42.46 | new[] | rweitz: the `firmware-iwlwifi` package might work |
| 03:42.47 | AlexLikeRock | they are on ".deb" |
| 03:42.52 | seravitae | hi, i'm just installing debian testing off DVD1. it's asking for firmware for htc_9271, which is a wireless adapter. I believe the package containing the firmware is `firmware-aetheros`. is there a way i can determine whether this package is on one of the 3 testing DVD's (so i can burn the remaining two) or how do I find/retrieve this firmware appropriately so I can install it? |
| 03:43.05 | rweitz | AlexLikeRock: oh. but how do i use a .deb during install? |
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| 03:43.36 | rweitz | AlexLikeRock: i get this error when using the debian-installer .. because i am doing a netinstall, would like the wireless to work :D |
| 03:43.51 | abrotman | !tell rweitz about firmware installer |
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| 03:44.07 | rweitz | danke, abrotman |
| 03:44.10 | abrotman | rweitz: bleh, see the factoids it talks about at the end |
| 03:44.23 | abrotman | seravitae: it would not be on those DVDs |
| 03:44.26 | AlexLikeRock | http://packages.debian.org/search?suite=default§ion=all&arch=any&searchon=names&keywords=firmware-atheros |
| 03:44.40 | AlexLikeRock | rweitz, http://packages.debian.org/search?suite=default§ion=all&arch=any&searchon=names&keywords=firmware-atheros |
| 03:44.43 | abrotman | dpkg: tell seravitae about firmware wheezy images |
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| 03:44.54 | abrotman | dpkg: tell seravitae about installer firmware wheezy |
| 03:45.12 | abrotman | AlexLikeRock: two different people |
| 03:45.14 | seravitae | abrotman: thanks, ill read that. |
| 03:45.24 | BeWilled | whats a good debian hosting provider these days? |
| 03:45.26 | seravitae | does removable media definition include optical drives? |
| 03:45.30 | dvs | atheros usually does't require firmware |
| 03:45.41 | abrotman | BeWilled: they have some on the wiki .. they're not rated though |
| 03:45.50 | abrotman | dpkg: tell BeWilled about hosting |
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| 03:46.11 | rweitz | ouch. I have windows. not sure how to add the firmware.cpio.gz to the ramdisk image |
| 03:46.37 | abrotman | rweitz: right, which is why the link at the bottom has firmware included |
| 03:46.38 | seravitae | ahh, actually they have a non-free netinst installer. nice. |
| 03:46.46 | abrotman | rweitz: are you intsalling squeeze or wheezy? |
| 03:46.59 | rweitz | abrotman: "wheezy" - it was teh "testing" installer |
| 03:47.13 | abrotman | dpkg: tell rweitz about installer firmware wheezy |
| 03:47.44 | rweitz | how do i ask dpkg about a particular factoid? |
| 03:48.13 | rweitz | ah, got it |
| 03:48.15 | abrotman | rweitz: /msg dpkg factoid |
| 03:48.36 | rweitz | downloading the new image |
| 03:48.48 | abrotman | dpkg: tell rweitz about wheezy firmware images |
| 03:48.54 | abrotman | gives up |
| 03:49.24 | seravitae | abrotman: so if i get the wheezy/testing firmware-aetheros deb pckg and throw it on a USB stick, it should find it? |
| 03:49.46 | abrotman | seravitae: i'm saying to get the ISO that has the firmware already included |
| 03:49.59 | abrotman | seravitae: you can do it the way you're suggesting, but probably a bit more owrk |
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| 03:50.04 | seravitae | ok |
| 03:50.17 | AlexLikeRock | seravitae, its atheros , not aeteheros |
| 03:50.33 | seravitae | well, i'm a bit lost on which one to get. wheezy is listed as having alpha, beta1-4 and rc1. |
| 03:50.51 | abrotman | seravitae: from where? |
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| 03:51.03 | seravitae | http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/ |
| 03:51.09 | abrotman | seravitae: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/wheezy_di_rc1/ |
| 03:51.12 | abrotman | you want RC1 |
| 03:51.16 | seravitae | ok |
| 03:51.44 | seravitae | downloading as we speak. :) |
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| 03:54.53 | Devastator | it's a shame to see atheros needing non-free firmware as well.. |
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| 03:55.38 | Devastator | I guess Intel is the only company that supports linux properly then.. |
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| 03:55.59 | abrotman | no, intel wifi requires firmware also |
| 03:56.18 | rweitz | my laptop needs non-free firmware and it is intel :) |
| 03:56.26 | Devastator | meh |
| 03:56.51 | Devastator | I hate them all then :P |
| 03:57.11 | abrotman | the rest of intel's hardware generally doesn't need firmware |
| 03:58.10 | AlexLikeRock | and grafic chip set intel they come free , thats easy to use ;-) |
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| 03:59.19 | Devastator | heading to bed, thank you so far Mr. A. Brotman |
| 03:59.55 | abrotman | AlexLikeRock: why are you evading your ban? |
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| 04:01.15 | toolz | Hi, I have installed a personalized kernel on few machines and works great, only one makes trouble... I updated to: 2.6.32 installed it from apt-get... linux-source-2.6.32... |
| 04:01.37 | toolz | when I'm running a binary.. I get: -bash: ./.....: cannot execute binary file |
| 04:02.00 | rweitz | toolz: Can i ask you a non-debian question? |
| 04:02.04 | Lewoco_ | What is the correct way to install wireshark in unstable? If I run it as a user I can't open any interfaces. If I run it using gksudo it refers me to a document in /usr/share telling me to use dumpcap but the document doesn't explain how... |
| 04:02.07 | toolz | of course |
| 04:02.29 | rweitz | toolz: Are you from India? I knew someone who used the "toolz" handle earlier. |
| 04:02.41 | toolz | nope, I'm from Romania |
| 04:02.46 | rweitz | toolz: ah, okay. |
| 04:02.48 | toolz | you able to gimme a hand with my issue, please? :) |
| 04:03.15 | rweitz | toolz: Oh i am not at a level to help yet. Still downloading my installer to get started :) |
| 04:03.15 | AlexLikeRock | abrotman, what "ban" ? |
| 04:03.57 | toolz | ok |
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| 04:11.07 | Lewoco_ | Ok figured it out. dpkg -S /usr/bin/dump indicates that this file is part of wireshark-common. Then dpkg-reconfigure wireshark-common allowed me to change the dumpcap configuration as described in the wireshark readme. |
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| 04:14.26 | neon__ | I tried # sg_reassign --address=570960 /dev/sdb |
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| 04:28.51 | rweitz | abrotman: Still got the same error after downloading the netinstall image - so going to manually use the iwlwifi-6000g2a-6 and g2a-5 files |
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| 04:34.26 | bluesm | I mean take all "hidden" and not inputs and send them (also with my data provided) |
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| 04:43.57 | rweitz_ | can i during the install, set up which partitions on my hdd are ntfs so that post install, they can be identified and mounted rw? or should it be done later after the system is up and running? |
| 04:49.20 | pfred1 | rweitz if you need a partition for another OS you should just leave it free space and let the partitioning software of that OS set it up |
| 04:50.11 | rweitz | No, I already have windows installed, and I have another data drive, both of which are NTFS formatted. I created 3 partitions for linux - /, /home and /swap and was asking if I could mount the NTFS partition as /data |
| 04:50.37 | rweitz | But I anyway left it blank and am going ahead with installing debian first. I will mount the ntfs partitions later. Think that should be possible. |
| 04:50.48 | pfred1 | yes |
| 04:51.20 | pfred1 | it is usually good form to not create another directory in your root too |
| 04:51.50 | rweitz | What is a good place to mount the /data then? |
| 04:51.54 | rweitz | Under /media/data? |
| 04:52.07 | rweitz | Any mount point is okay with me, as long as I can mount them :) |
| 04:53.29 | pfred1 | on my desktop I've taken to making mount points in my home dir for mounts I want but I don't share my system as a multiuser |
| 04:53.42 | pfred1 | like i have an nfs I need to mount |
| 04:54.05 | Rusty1 | you will likely want to edit /etc/fstab following installation http://wiki.debian.org/fstab |
| 04:54.22 | rweitz | No, mine is a laptop. Not much of a multi-user thing. So you recommend creating the mount points under /home/rweitz/data? |
| 04:54.28 | rweitz | tx Rusty1 |
| 04:54.38 | pfred1 | rweitz might as well keep it handy |
| 04:55.27 | rweitz | my main query was whether the default kernel will support ntfs rw, when i set it in fstab. |
| 04:55.34 | rweitz | or do I have to install additional drivers? |
| 04:56.13 | pfred1 | that i don't know I don't use anything but Linux |
| 04:56.37 | rweitz | okie |
| 04:56.57 | LtL | rweitz: you'll need to install ntfs-3g for r/w access to ntfs partitions, and fuse which installs by default i believe |
| 04:57.29 | LtL | rweitz: and it can be used in fstab |
| 04:57.46 | rweitz | LtL: okay. My connection is kinda slow :/ still downloading the package list from the mirror server, before it completes the rest |
| 04:58.15 | rweitz | btw, what is the meta package to install xfce latest? after the base system is installed, i plan to grab that |
| 04:59.03 | Rusty1 | xfce4 |
| 04:59.04 | LtL | rweitz: xfce4 |
| 04:59.10 | rweitz | Okay |
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| 05:00.29 | BenNZ | LtL: i thought you didnt need to specify ntfs-3g in fstab since squeeze or am i wrong? |
| 05:00.57 | LtL | BenNZ: i believe ntfs will work in fstab |
| 05:01.24 | LtL | but but ntfs-3g is a must for rw access |
| 05:01.31 | BenNZ | LtL: ok i thought /sbin/mount.ntfs was a symlink to /sbin/mount.ntfs-3g |
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| 05:01.40 | LtL | it is |
| 05:02.04 | BenNZ | LtL: so it wouldnt matter what you use in fstab , as either way you would use ntfs-3g? |
| 05:02.24 | LtL | i don't think ntfs-3g is installed by default though |
| 05:03.01 | BenNZ | ok i see thanks |
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| 05:03.30 | LtL | BenNZ: its mentioned in the wiki, iirc ntfs-3g works in fstab, not positive though |
| 05:04.16 | LtL | in any event, it can be mounted via fstab easily |
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| 05:08.28 | keatont | I would really love a good easy alternative for centralized user authentication for a really small network. |
| 05:08.34 | toolz | does anyone has any idea about the issue I specified above? |
| 05:08.40 | keatont | but it may just be a pipe dream |
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| 05:14.38 | c4nuck | hey any of you guys manage your iphone 4s in linux ? |
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| 05:22.50 | newcomerguy | hi |
| 05:23.48 | newcomerguy | how do i give a group admin privileges |
| 05:24.58 | ZeroBeholder | c4nuck: you mean your android device. Yes, yes I have. VNC, SSH, & TeamViewer. |
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| 05:26.06 | c4nuck | ZeroBeholder, no i mean my iphone 4s |
| 05:26.07 | newcomerguy | does anyone know? i don't mean how to add them to sudo i mean like make the group so that any member of it is a superuser |
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| 05:26.39 | c4nuck | is it blasphemy to ask about working with iphone in a linux chan ? |
| 05:26.44 | c4nuck | not getting any answer anywhere |
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| 05:27.34 | newcomerguy | i guess nobody knows here |
| 05:27.43 | c4nuck | i can mount it with ifuse |
| 05:27.49 | toolz | is there anyone available for help with some kernel issue, please? |
| 05:27.51 | c4nuck | but gtkpod, amarok don't find it |
| 05:27.57 | newcomerguy | what's a channel where people would know, apart from ##linux |
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| 05:31.12 | toolz | Hi, I have installed a personalized kernel on few machines and works great, only one makes trouble... I updated to: 2.6.32 installed it from apt-get... linux-source-2.6.32... current kernel was 2.6.32-bpo.5-amd64, I used kmuto image at installation, and after I switch to the new kernel I keep getting: -bash: ./.....: cannot execute binary file, and when running programs I keep getting errors, |
| 05:31.12 | toolz | I see that the files I am trying to run were built for 32bit OS but they used to work on 2.6.32-bpo.5-amd64 as I checked with file binary_name - installing the program again does nothing, same errors, what should I do? |
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| 06:33.09 | newcomerguy | is anyone ther |
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| 06:38.35 | kristijonas | Hello, how does Debian use IPv6 by default? |
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| 06:45.48 | Dagger2 | uh... "properly", for the most part? |
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| 07:03.44 | pclov3r | If I install the RC for debian 7 can i upgrade easily to the final release? |
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| 07:05.42 | ChrisH | pclov3r: that is what I expect to work. I did install my new home server with testing and wait for whezzy to get stable. Check the sources.list afterward to ensure to have the names in |
| 07:06.14 | pclov3r | how stable is the RC |
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| 07:07.30 | ChrisH | As stable as a RC can be. What is system beeing used for? private stuff or company server with dirct internet connection? |
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| 07:10.21 | pclov3r | private stuff |
| 07:10.25 | pclov3r | all my server setups use centos |
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| 07:11.52 | GTRsdk | Hi, I use tightvnc on my systems, and I recently tried using display 66, but now what port would that be running on? |
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| 07:18.00 | ChrisH | GTRsdk: I do not understand your question. tightvnc is the client side. What are you asking for? |
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| 07:18.58 | GTRsdk | ChrisH: What would the VNC port number be for a server with default configuration when serving display 66? |
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| 07:24.35 | ChrisH | GTRsdk: just checked man pages and they are a bit unspecific on this. I found only a hint on 5500+display for reverse. If you have a running vncserver process doing that running lsof would the fastest way to find out. |
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| 07:32.57 | AlexLikeRock | hi |
| 07:32.57 | AlexLikeRock | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:33.05 | GTRsdk | ChrisH: doesn't seem to be made publically available :-/ even nmap couldn't find it |
| 07:33.44 | ChrisH | GTRsdk: you are trying to do vncviewer clio 66 |
| 07:33.53 | ChrisH | if clio is yout VNCserver? |
| 07:35.46 | GTRsdk | I'm using an Android VNC viewer |
| 07:36.08 | GTRsdk | but now I've killed the server's display (:66) and restarted it on a single digit display |
| 07:36.40 | AlexLikeRock | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:37.24 | AlexLikeRock | i make one tralate but i don now how to upload :-/ |
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| 07:39.09 | ChrisH | AlexLikeRock: you did read http://www.debian.org/international/ ? |
| 07:40.11 | ChrisH | AlexLikeRock: espcially http://www.debian.org/devel/website/translating descripes what to do before starting to translate |
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| 07:43.55 | seravitae | progress! ok, debian installed. graphics sort of working. |
| 07:44.10 | seravitae | now keyboard and mouse become fully unresponsive after loading GDM3. |
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| 07:49.58 | AlexLikeRock | ChrisH, im on the list of translate spanish but nobody answer to me how to start |
| 07:50.27 | Lewoco | When debian is installed it creates a user and adds them to a bunch of groups. Is there a way to create another user with membership to the same set of groups? |
| 07:50.35 | AlexLikeRock | they tellme "read http://www.debian.org/international/Spanish" |
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| 07:51.33 | Lewoco | I tried useradd, but this adds the user to only a single group. |
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| 08:02.43 | milligan | Lewoco, if you do "man useradd", you will see that it takes an argument, -G , that lets you define what groups the user should have when being created. I.e useradd -G audio,mygroup,yourgroup,p0rngroup lewocoUser2 |
| 08:03.38 | x10 | and use `groups <someuser>` to find out membership info |
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| 08:04.26 | Lewoco | milligan, x10: Yeah I know how to add a user to groups, but I don't know which groups a user should be part of. |
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| 08:04.49 | milligan | Lewoco, that depends entirely on what you want the user to have access to... |
| 08:04.49 | Lewoco | I nuked the groups on my primary user. I'm trying to restore them. |
| 08:04.55 | detha | is there a dpkg equivalent of rpm --verify? |
| 08:05.15 | Lewoco | Right, so what are the default groups that the user gets added to when debian is installed. I want those. |
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| 08:05.29 | jelly-home | detha: what does it do? |
| 08:05.38 | milligan | Lewoco, Try these, "lp cdrom floppy audio dip video plugdev netdev bluetooth lpadmin scanner", in addition to your users group of course. |
| 08:05.39 | hyppias | do I need samba to get file from and to a Win7 PC? |
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| 08:05.52 | Lewoco | milligan, kk thanks |
| 08:06.02 | detha | checks MD5 and permissions of all files that a package should have installed |
| 08:06.03 | milligan | Lewoco, those are the groups on my user here anyway .. and I haven't been fiddling about with em :P |
| 08:06.14 | Lewoco | probably better than nothing. |
| 08:06.25 | jelly-home | detha: debsums |
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| 08:06.45 | jelly-home | detha: it doesn't do permissions, just checksums |
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| 08:07.25 | detha | jelly-home: thanks, that will do fine for now |
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| 08:09.10 | seravitae | any ideas how i can move the /run directory? i'm getting device or resource busy error. |
| 08:09.21 | ChrisH | AlexLikeRock: Thats sad. You did also subscribe to the spanish l10n list? |
| 08:09.49 | milligan | seravitae, are you sure you want to do that? If yes, boot a live CD and rock on. |
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| 08:10.11 | seravitae | yeah, im experiencing an issue which apparently can be fixed by moving/deleting it. |
| 08:10.19 | seravitae | i'll download a livecd, thanks. |
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| 08:10.32 | milligan | seravitae, that said .. /run .. or /var/run ? |
| 08:10.54 | seravitae | apparently /run |
| 08:11.27 | seravitae | its an issue where Xorg on load is unresponsive keyboard/mouse.. autodetection doesnt work, even when forced to enable. hotplugging doesnt do anything. |
| 08:11.58 | milligan | seravitae, /run isn't a stock debian location . .not quite sure how anything would end up there. Especially not if it's Xorg. |
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| 08:12.34 | seravitae | milligan: beats me, but im running out of options, and /run exists. |
| 08:12.56 | milligan | seravitae, what's the contents of /run ? (pastebin) |
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| 08:13.24 | AlexLikeRock | ChrisH, yes im in, but alone :-( |
| 08:13.25 | seravitae | box isn't online, so it'd be a PITA to pastebin |
| 08:13.41 | seravitae | it's got stuff like lock/mount/network/rpcbind/udev/avahi-daemon etc. |
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| 08:13.48 | seravitae | apparently the issue is with udev. |
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| 08:14.41 | milligan | seravitae, hmm. Strange. Can't offer any more help then, I'm afraid. I'd give the live cd a go. |
| 08:14.51 | seravitae | yep. getting the rescue livecd as we speak. |
| 08:16.18 | quietone | Can't seem to run php interactively, no prompt. PHP 5.3.3-7+squeeze14 |
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| 08:22.03 | milligan | quietone, on the console you mean? Have you installed php5-cli ? |
| 08:22.57 | quietone | milligan, yes and yes. |
| 08:24.06 | milligan | quietone, what does "php -a" produce? |
| 08:24.48 | quietone | milligan, Interactive mode enabled |
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| 08:25.22 | quietone | milligan, no prompt |
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| 08:26.55 | milligan | quietone, it seems that php might have been installed without the readline config option. |
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| 08:27.48 | milligan | quietone, http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/10976/how-do-i-install-a-php-cli-with-a-usable-interactive-prompt-on-debian-wheezy . Easiest would probably be to make the module required and then just load it. |
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| 08:32.39 | quietone | milligan, thanks! installing now .. |
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| 08:36.01 | milligan | quietone, let me know how you get on :) |
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| 08:37.44 | ChrisH | AlexLikeRockfor upload I expect, you need some admin to add your ssh.key for write access. Looks like you need to go back to the main list and ask for admins to add your key |
| 08:40.01 | quietone | milligan, it works! |
| 08:40.13 | milligan | quietone, awesome :) |
| 08:40.16 | j0d3 | buenos dÃas |
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| 08:42.40 | hyppias | how does ssh where to put files on the destination PC when using scp? |
| 08:42.59 | hyppias | insert "know" before "ssh" |
| 08:43.09 | hyppias | after.. |
| 08:43.47 | ChrisH | hyppias: you tell it to scp. scp file user@host: puts file into ~user on host |
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| 08:44.11 | ChrisH | hyppias: you tell it to scp. scp file user@host:/tmp/newfilename puts file into /tmp on host named newfilename |
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| 08:45.36 | hyppias | user being a foldername?????? |
| 08:45.46 | hyppias | ok |
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| 08:46.23 | ChrisH | hyppias: no user is the remote side username. if its identical to the local you can skip it |
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| 08:51.50 | hyppias | hm..PC refuses connection... |
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| 08:56.50 | ChrisH | hyppias: ssh installed? What debian version involved here? |
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| 08:57.19 | hyppias | wheezy. Had WinSCP running OK on PC, so SSH should be OK... |
| 08:57.57 | ChrisH | hyppias: from where to where are you doing what? Can you pastebin command of ssh -v ? |
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| 08:59.55 | hyppias | With WinSCP I can see debian directory of the user. But I want to get files from the PC to Debian, pulling from Debian |
| 09:00.07 | hyppias | I y to paste ssh... |
| 09:00.11 | hyppias | try |
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| 09:01.36 | TheRobinX | hi |
| 09:01.43 | ChrisH | hyppias: You want to run scp on debian toward any any windows system? correct? |
| 09:01.56 | hyppias | OpenSSH_6.0p1 Debian-3, OpenSSL 1.0.1c 10 may 2012 |
| 09:02.11 | hyppias | correct |
| 09:02.20 | TheRobinX | my gfx card makes noise only before windows boots. But in debian even after boot is complete. |
| 09:02.39 | ChrisH | hyppias: then you need an sshd (ssh-server) on windows and I have no idea on how to get one. |
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| 09:03.29 | TheRobinX | my gfx looks like nvidia 9600GT , i tried to install the driver but im kinda new |
| 09:03.38 | hyppias | u'd say that if WinSCP works, it should be there somehow.... I'll look into it. |
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| 09:07.00 | ChrisH | hyppias: WinSCP is a CLIENT to can only connect to a sshD, but you can use winSCP to pull data from windows. |
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| 09:13.52 | SSigSeg | 3.7.9 runs well in Wheezy, they should ship it with final |
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| 09:22.47 | Iridos | ChrisH, s/pull/push/ (I guess) |
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| 09:38.44 | yvw | can anybody do a firewall check on a debian box? |
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| 09:39.43 | digdilem_ | yvw, there are various automated pen testers on the web |
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| 09:40.01 | yvw | digdilem_: Can you suggest any? |
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| 09:41.27 | ChrisH | Iridos: I used pull here like: scp user@remote:/some/files localfilename assuming WinSCP iscapabble of such an standard action. |
| 09:41.36 | digdilem_ | not endorsing these, but http://www.webresourcesdepot.com/10-free-web-application-security-testing-tools/ - yvw |
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| 09:42.05 | digdilem_ | yvw, nmap will do a basic firewall check |
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| 10:15.18 | link__ | hi, I have a dell poweredge 1950 and I installed debian on it, I also "dpkg -i" the "firmware-bnx2x_0.37_all.deb" but for some reason whenever I try to send any packet outside I get "destination unreachable", can anyone hint me how to fix it or what could be causing it ? did i fetch the wrong "firmware..deb" file ? |
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| 10:16.26 | ectospasm | link__: can you ping localhost/127.0.0.1? Can you ping the IP address of the local gateway? Can you ping your DNS server(s)? |
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| 10:17.33 | link__ | ectospasm, i can ping localhost and my "external ip" (192.168....), however when I try to ping my dg I get "destination unreachable", "arp -a" shows "partial <ip_addr>" |
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| 10:18.31 | ectospasm | are you configuring the IP address statically or through DHCP? |
| 10:18.36 | ectospasm | link__: ^ |
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| 10:19.42 | Aktau | Hey guys, I'm trying to pass my http_proxy and https_proxy environment variables to the apache process so a wget called from php can use it |
| 10:19.47 | link__ | ectospasm, I tried sending dhcp but got no response so i did it statically |
| 10:19.57 | Aktau | However, I've yet to find a satisfying way to do it |
| 10:20.00 | ectospasm | link__: did you set up a route? |
| 10:20.05 | Aktau | Apparently, setting it in /etc/environment is not enough |
| 10:20.11 | Aktau | It does not show up in apache |
| 10:20.11 | link__ | ectospasm, yes |
| 10:20.23 | Aktau | What's a debian-approved way of doing this without fiddling with init scripts? |
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| 10:21.59 | ectospasm | link__: can you perform a packet capture from your DHCP server and see if its even getting the packets? |
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| 10:22.52 | thomaschaaf | Hello is there a squid alternative which supports websockts / http 1.1? |
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| 10:23.29 | link__ | ectospasm, i don't think i have tcpdump :/ |
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| 10:23.52 | ectospasm | wireshark, maybe? |
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| 10:24.36 | SSigSeg | brb |
| 10:24.43 | ChrisH | ectospasm: pastebin ifconfig -a ; netstat -rn ; before starting to snoop? |
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| 10:25.50 | ectospasm | ChrisH: it's not me that's having network problems. link__ ^ |
| 10:26.36 | ChrisH | ectospasm: I know, I just wanted to suggest this to you, or do you have an idea what could cause that? |
| 10:27.05 | ChrisH | link__: can you show us netstat -rn;ifconfig -a on paste.debian.net please? |
| 10:28.00 | ectospasm | I think the obvious hasn't been stated: is the cable plugged in, and has it been tested to determine whether it's any good? |
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| 10:44.38 | Posterdati | hi |
| 10:44.46 | Posterdati | what happened to debian site? |
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| 10:45.25 | Nik05 | Posterdati: its still working? |
| 10:45.39 | Posterdati | not here |
| 10:45.44 | Posterdati | cannot reach it |
| 10:45.44 | Nik05 | which site? |
| 10:45.54 | Posterdati | http://www.debian.org |
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| 10:46.11 | Nik05 | it does work here |
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| 10:46.37 | nickn | Can foreman provision in parallel? Can it provision more than one system at once? |
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| 10:49.17 | babilen | nickn: I'd recommend to ask in #theforeman |
| 10:49.40 | babilen | nickn: Also "/msg alis help" and "/msg alis help list" |
| 10:49.53 | nickn | babilen: I did, but I haven't got an answer (yet) |
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| 10:50.53 | nickn | Does apt automatically uses http proxies in network? |
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| 10:51.50 | SSigSeg | anyone had success installing nvidia drivers on kernel 3.7.9? |
| 10:52.05 | babilen | nickn: Well, wait a little longer. Most channels aren't that active and it can take some hours for somebody to wake up and give you an answer. There are also mailing lists at https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups#!forum/foreman-users and a manual at http://theforeman.org/manuals/1.1/index.html -- Searching on google, duckduckgo or another search engine might be worth a try too. |
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| 10:52.26 | nickn | right |
| 10:52.45 | babilen | nickn: It respects http_proxy |
| 10:53.15 | nickn | http_proxy is a setting or global thing? |
| 10:53.54 | link__ | ectospasm, solved it using ethtool using the right interface ;p and some ifconfig interaction |
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| 10:54.08 | babilen | nickn: Its and environment variable |
| 10:54.10 | babilen | *an |
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| 10:54.29 | nickn | but what if there is a proxy server serving manipulated apt packages, will one notice this? |
| 10:54.40 | nickn | can one disable auto-use of proxies in network? |
| 10:55.21 | babilen | nickn: Why would you want to serve manipulated apt packages? |
| 10:55.55 | nickn | babilen: I don't want to serve them and I also don't want to get them. |
| 10:56.12 | babilen | dpkg: tell nickn -about secure apt |
| 10:56.25 | babilen | nickn: In short: Yes, "you" will notice |
| 10:56.30 | nickn | babilen: but when a proxy server is used automatically, it could be everything |
| 10:56.40 | nickn | babilen: how do one notice it? can I disable proxies completely? |
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| 10:57.00 | babilen | nickn: If you set /your/ environment variable to some proxy it will be used. I don't quite understand why that is a problem. Don't set it if you don't want it. |
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| 10:57.48 | nickn | babilen: so without manually setting, there will be no proxy used automatically, even, if one is promoting itself in network? |
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| 11:00.13 | babilen | nickn: You can configure a proxy used by apt in /etc/apt/apt.conf (or in a suitable file in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/) - If that isn't configure apt-get will use the environment variable http_proxy (or https_proxy/ftp_proxy) if it is set. This is discussed in apt.conf(5) → THE ACQUIRE GROUP → http |
| 11:00.54 | babilen | nickn: Not quite sure what you mean by "promoting itself in network" |
| 11:01.01 | nickn | via zeroconf |
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| 11:02.18 | babilen | nickn: No (unless something sets the env var) -- Is it set for you? |
| 11:02.39 | nickn | no |
| 11:02.53 | nickn | alright |
| 11:03.08 | babilen | nickn: Have you read the manpage I pointed out to you? |
| 11:03.18 | nickn | just doing that |
| 11:03.21 | nickn | thanks |
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| 11:07.11 | seravitae | hello, is anyone here familiar with downgrading packages? |
| 11:08.51 | babilen | !downgrade |
| 11:08.51 | dpkg | Downgrading is not, nor will ever be supported by apt. Programs change their data in a way that can't be rolled back, and package maintainer scripts support upgrades to new config file formats but not downgrades. Try: "dpkg -i olderversion.deb" or "aptitude install package=version" using "apt-cache policy package" to get the old version number. See also <partial downgrade>, <unstable->testing>, <sdo>. |
| 11:09.09 | babilen | seravitae: That about summarises it ^^^ Are you familiar with it? |
| 11:09.41 | seravitae | Hum. never tried that. i'll give it a go. |
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| 11:10.00 | seravitae | i don't really like the idea of this but i'm out of options. and it seems this might be the last and only thing to fix it. |
| 11:11.08 | babilen | seravitae: What is "it" ? Would you mind providing more details about what you are actually trying to do/fix/achieve? Use pastebins such as http://paste.debian.net to provide relevant information about your system (e.g. package versions, sources.list, ...) |
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| 11:12.08 | seravitae | babllen: sure. Xorg loads, I have no keyboard or mouse. hotplugging doesn't fix it. keyboard is totally unresponsive, including switching to TTY's, unless I alt+r+sysrq followed by ctrl+alt+F1 |
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| 11:13.12 | babilen | seravitae: And this happens on Debian stable directly after a fresh install ? ;) |
| 11:13.41 | seravitae | babllen: on testing, yes, after installing my appropriate graphics drivers (before then it doesn't even load at all) |
| 11:14.06 | seravitae | the issue does not happen on debian stable, but i cannot use debian stable, as my wifi is only supported by kernel 3+ |
| 11:14.41 | babilen | seravitae: So, now we are getting somewhere. You installed your "appropriate graphics driver" and /after/ that you cannot start Xorg correctly anymore and you are also not able to switch to the console /after/ you've done that. Which driver did you install for which GPU and how did you install it? |
| 11:15.00 | seravitae | Xorg reports : libkmod: ERROR ../libkmod/libkmod.c:554 kmod_search_moddep: could not open moddep file '/lib/modules/3.2.0-4-amd64/modules.dep.bin |
| 11:15.39 | seravitae | The timeline is: Install testing: boots, then black screen of death. single user mode, install ATI catalyst drivers, reboot, Xorg loads fine. however mouse/keyboard unresponsive. |
| 11:15.52 | seravitae | unless the above key pattern is executed. |
| 11:15.57 | babilen | seravitae: Ok, how did you install the ATI drivers? |
| 11:16.13 | babilen | And how did you configure Xorg to use them? |
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| 11:16.30 | seravitae | downloaded the catalyst driver package via wget, chmod +x and ran it as usual. then fired up aticonfig --initial. |
| 11:18.15 | babilen | seravitae: Ok, we (that is #debian) cannot support that way and you have to ask in #ati for help with that. We also neither recommend nor endorse this installation technique nor using aticonfig for generating a xorg.conf -- The supported way of installating fglrx drivers on Debian is detailed in "/msg dpkg fglrx dkms" which will also create a configuration snippet for Xorg to get it to use the fglrx driver while still autoconfiguring everyhting else. |
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| 11:18.53 | seravitae | babllen - the issue is, almost certainly, nothing to do with the catalyst drivers. |
| 11:19.00 | babilen | seravitae: You probably want to read <empty xorg.conf> and <xorg.conf.d> in addition to the factoid about installing fglrx. Note that you might have to adjust those commands a little in order to install the correct kernel headers on Debian. |
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| 11:19.50 | babilen | seravitae: Well, the issue has almost certainly everything to do with them as you did not have that issue before you installed them or generated a /etc/X11/xorg.conf with aticonfig (which is both unnecessarily verbose and might even cause problems) |
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| 11:20.34 | seravitae | I couldn't load X before them regardless beacuse my card isn't normally supported by the free drivers. I have been using this card with wheezy for years, with no problems, with the catalyst drivers. |
| 11:20.41 | seravitae | sorry s/wheezy/squeeze |
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| 11:20.56 | babilen | seravitae: Either way: We only support installing the drivers via the Debian packages (which works fine and they'll take care of module recompilation if it is needed) and working configuration snippets in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/ -- Why don't you give it a try? |
| 11:21.19 | seravitae | sure. i will really be suprised if it does anything, but why not. |
| 11:21.26 | babilen | seravitae: Are you sure that your card is not supported by the radeon driver and that it is not simply that you did not install the necessary firmware for it? |
| 11:21.30 | babilen | dpkg: tell seravitae -about radeon |
| 11:21.38 | deepy | Anyone have an image editor to recommend? I am averse to the idea of installing GIMP. |
| 11:22.00 | seravitae | it's a finnicky card. it's an eyefinity 6 radeon card, hextuple outputs and a custom framebuffer size. |
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| 11:22.13 | seravitae | however as stated it's worked for years with not a single problem under squeeze. |
| 11:22.34 | babilen | seravitae: A bunch of radeon GPUs require firmware and you can use a netinst installer image with firmware or provide firmware during the installation. (see <firmware images wheezy> <install wheezy> and <installer firmware wheezy> for details) |
| 11:22.52 | seravitae | I do use the netinst image with firmware. |
| 11:23.04 | seravitae | and the keyboard/mouse work during graphical installation. |
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| 11:23.50 | seravitae | im almost positive the issue is with kmod/udev, but i'm uninstalling the proprietry drivers anyways. |
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| 11:23.55 | babilen | seravitae: Well, /we/ do not support the ATI installer. Ask in #ati if you want to follow that route. To be honest: It sounds as if aticonfig messed up and you /might/ want to try the snippet in <fglrx dkms> in lieu of your xorg.conf -- If you want to pursue this route further ask in #ati, if not: Install the drivers "The Debian Way" |
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| 11:25.05 | babilen | seravitae: Please make sure that you do have /lib/modules/3.2.0-4-amd64/modules.dep.bin btw |
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| 11:26.00 | seravitae | removed catalyst, killed all xorg.conf, Xorg = totally dead, as is the box. |
| 11:26.25 | seravitae | so it's not autodetecting. rebooting now and checking if that file exists and examining Xorg log. |
| 11:27.28 | babilen | seravitae: I take it that you have firmware installed and that you also installed libgl1-mesa-dri - I am really not sure what the ATI installer did and if you have no modules.dep that would cause a lot of problems. |
| 11:28.19 | seravitae | i havent installed any firmware packages manually, libgl1-mesa-dri is installed. |
| 11:28.33 | seravitae | other than the firmware that the firmware-netinst cd installed, that is. |
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| 11:29.07 | babilen | seravitae: So firmware-linux-nonfree is installed? |
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| 11:29.34 | seravitae | nope. |
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| 11:30.14 | seravitae | installing now to see if it helps. modules.dep.bin exists, but it's empty, as is modules.dep . (0 byte filesize) |
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| 11:31.11 | babilen | they shouldn't be empty, you probably have to re-run depmod (or simply reinstall the kernel package) |
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| 11:31.30 | babilen | wonders what caused that (ati installer might be the problem here) |
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| 11:32.58 | ^DEMOSS^ | hello |
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| 11:33.24 | ^DEMOSS^ | if i wanna share folder in smd resource i must write some in smb.conf ? |
| 11:33.25 | seravitae | i still think it's an issue with kmod/udev as it seems lots of people are complaining about it. but again, i'll try it the Debian Way. |
| 11:33.31 | ^DEMOSS^ | and them restart samba ? |
| 11:33.52 | ^DEMOSS^ | i wanna only share fo RW 1 folder in /var |
| 11:34.05 | babilen | seravitae: So installing the firmware and making sure that you have a correct modules.dep{,bin} didn't change anything? |
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| 11:35.01 | seravitae | babilen so I just rebooted after installing the firmware package, and now even single user mode fails. it's complained about giving up on the root device, that it can'd find /dev/disk/by-uid/<uuidstring>, and various modprobe "not found in modules.dep" errors. |
| 11:35.13 | seravitae | and has dropped back to busybox. |
| 11:35.13 | babilen | ^DEMOSS^: Yes, you have to define a [share] for that in smb.conf |
| 11:35.30 | babilen | seravitae: And you /reinstalled/ the kernel before that or ran depmod? |
| 11:35.36 | seravitae | I did neither. |
| 11:35.43 | seravitae | apt-get install'd the firmware, and rebooted. |
| 11:35.52 | babilen | seravitae: Well, no modules can be loaded without those files. |
| 11:35.54 | ^DEMOSS^ | babilen: åðôòëû ø åêà øå |
| 11:36.04 | ^DEMOSS^ | thanks, i try it |
| 11:36.04 | babilen | ^DEMOSS^: I don't quite follow |
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| 11:36.29 | seravitae | babilen: the box booted fine before you asked me to do that step. |
| 11:36.48 | seravitae | i'm not sure what you're suggesting with your previous statement, which seems more of an obvious indication..? |
| 11:37.27 | babilen | seravitae: It looks as if your uninstalling of the catalyst drivers removed those files (or caused them to be empty) -- You /do/ need them because the dependency information is required to load modules. |
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| 11:37.43 | babilen | seravitae: Which step? Installing the firmware packages? |
| 11:37.48 | seravitae | i rebooted after uninstalling the drivers. |
| 11:37.53 | seravitae | which worked fine. |
| 11:38.09 | seravitae | i then tried 'radeon' drivers and also no xorg.conf. neither worked. then a reboot inbetween each. |
| 11:38.10 | babilen | seravitae: I also mentioned that these files shouldn't be empty and that you probably have to rerun depmod or simply reinstall the kernel image. |
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| 11:38.23 | seravitae | installing the firmware package and a reboot caused the box to be now unbootable. |
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| 11:38.50 | seravitae | well, I can't do much now, seeing as busybox is unusable. it's hung at (initramfs). |
| 11:39.09 | seravitae | I'm going to have to reinstall a fresh image, which will take a few hours with my net speed. |
| 11:39.33 | babilen | seravitae: Well, something must have caused the loss of depmod.dep{,bin} -- Boot into a live CD, chroot into the system (e.g "/msg dpkg fixmbr" summarises a method from the installer CD)) and reinstall the kernel or run depmod manually. |
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| 11:40.14 | babilen | seravitae: Yeah, reinstalling would probably work too. Note that a bunch of radeon GPUs require firmware to function properly. |
| 11:40.54 | seravitae | ok, i have a testing recovery livecd here. i'll try torching the kernel and rerunning depmod. |
| 11:42.02 | babilen | seravitae: But there must have been something wrong with your modules.dep{,bin} from the start as Xorg also complained about this. I really wonder what happened here - I /guess/ that the installation of the firmware package caused a recreation of the initramfs which didn't succeed because /at that point/ the module dependency information was already lost. |
| 11:42.33 | seravitae | it was libkmod complaining, and as previously stated, other people were complaining about libkmod/udev issues and downgrading fixed it. |
| 11:42.46 | babilen | So it was an error that simply lingered in the background and you could only boot because you had a working initramfs (at least that is my guess) |
| 11:43.12 | babilen | seravitae: Downgrading what to what? Do you have a link to the bug in the BTS? |
| 11:45.17 | seravitae | no, I don't |
| 11:45.33 | seravitae | i'm just googling because there's not much to go on, and i've tried everything else. |
| 11:46.00 | seravitae | ok depmod fails by itself, missing /lib/modules/2.6.32-5-amd64 |
| 11:46.13 | babilen | seravitae: And which package did you want to downgrade (to which version?) ? |
| 11:46.19 | seravitae | (this is in recovery mode livecd rooted to the boot drive) |
| 11:46.37 | seravitae | i'm not sure why its reading 2.6 instead of 3.2 unless it's somehow referencing to the livecd kernel |
| 11:47.00 | babilen | 2.6.32 ? |
| 11:47.08 | babilen | seravitae: Try reinstalling the kernel package linux-image-3.2.0-4-amd64 |
| 11:48.00 | babilen | seravitae: You did chroot into the system, didn't you? (as detailed in "/msg dpkg fixmbr" before the regeneration of the grub configuration) |
| 11:48.13 | seravitae | yeah i did. |
| 11:48.27 | babilen | Ok, what about reinstalling the kernel package? |
| 11:48.32 | seravitae | just reinstalling now |
| 11:48.48 | babilen | seravitae: I have to leave for a little while, but I'll be back soon - let me know how you progress |
| 11:49.03 | ^DEMOSS^ | babilen: they ask me user\password |
| 11:49.20 | ^DEMOSS^ | how i can share it without user\password |
| 11:49.43 | babilen | ^DEMOSS^: Did you set "guest ok = yes" in the share configuration? |
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| 11:50.43 | ^DEMOSS^ | babilen: [CONS] path = /var/cons browseable = yes read only = no guest ok = yes create mask = 0755 directory mask = 0755 |
| 11:51.25 | ^DEMOSS^ | may be i must #chown -R guest:guest /var/cons ?? |
| 11:52.08 | babilen | ^DEMOSS^: Looks okay, but you might have to set the permissions on /var/cons to belong to nobody:nogroup -- I am by no means a samba guru and #samba might be a better place to inquire. btw |
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| 11:52.38 | ^DEMOSS^ | babilen: thnx ) |
| 11:52.55 | babilen | ^DEMOSS^: Does "smbclient -L yourhostname" list your share? |
| 11:55.23 | ^DEMOSS^ | i wanna share it to Win client |
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| 11:57.25 | seravitae | well i'll be danmed. |
| 11:57.41 | seravitae | maybe the catalyst drivers are screwed. |
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| 12:01.05 | Devastator | for some reason, I'm not able to select ABNT2 as keyboard layout, I typed dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration, selected Brazil, selected Brazil layout, Right AltGr, No Composed Key, but it's still misconfigured. Instead of Ç, it shows ; |
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| 12:04.04 | babilen | seravitae: hmm? |
| 12:05.06 | ^DEMOSS^ | i have a clear conf, why not workibg ? |
| 12:05.12 | ^DEMOSS^ | working |
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| 12:07.04 | seravitae | bab - after reinstalling the kernel (didnt run depmod), then reinstalling the free radeon drivers, delete xorg, it actually booted this time using the default (but crappy) drivers,a nd the mouse and keyboard worked. |
| 12:07.11 | seravitae | none of which happened at initial boot from fresh install. |
| 12:07.26 | Devastator | do I need to reboot for keyboard-configuration to take? |
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| 12:08.00 | seravitae | bab - and just to add mystery to the scenario, I installed the catalyst drivers over the top of the radeon drivers just then - and both it, and my mouse and keyboard work perfectly. I have absolutely no freaking idea what caused, or fixed this. |
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| 12:09.59 | babilen | seravitae: You have to use my complete nickname and not just "bab" in order for me to be highlighted. Most IRC clients support autocompletion with the tab key. Try "bab<TAB>" -- Did you use the Debian packages this time? |
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| 12:10.35 | babilen | seravitae: I would recommend to do it because the modules will be recompiled automatically whenever needed and the configuration is probably better integrated into the system. |
| 12:10.41 | seravitae | babilen: been on irc for 15 years ;) |
| 12:10.56 | seravitae | as stated, i have no idea what caused it or fixed it now. |
| 12:11.01 | babilen | seravitae: ack, you should know it then :) |
| 12:11.11 | seravitae | i'm currently using the catalyst drivers that supposedly caused the problem. |
| 12:11.15 | seravitae | everything is working fine. |
| 12:11.30 | babilen | seravitae: Well, the problem was that /something/ wrecked your module dependency information in the first place. |
| 12:11.41 | Devastator | babilen sorry to interrupt, but do I need to reboot for dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration to take? |
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| 12:12.00 | babilen | seravitae: I'd still recommend to use the Debian packages as you get updates automatically and can take advantage of their integration with the DKMS system. |
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| 12:12.37 | babilen | Devastator: I am not entirely sure - check if it makes a difference. Guts say maybe :) |
| 12:12.47 | Devastator | hahah ok |
| 12:13.13 | aguitel | how install lxdm in squeeze ? |
| 12:14.00 | babilen | aguitel: lxde? |
| 12:15.32 | Devastator | babilen yep, fixed, do you have access to the wiki? it might be a good idea to put "After selecting, reboot." or something |
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| 12:16.09 | babilen | Devastator: Just create an account and edit it yourself - ta for checking. |
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| 12:16.25 | Devastator | ta? |
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| 12:17.46 | babilen | Devastator: "ta" == t |
| 12:17.49 | babilen | err |
| 12:17.54 | babilen | Devastator: "thank you" |
| 12:18.10 | Devastator | oh, welcome! |
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| 12:21.16 | Jarris | i have to set up an user management with mail server. Kolab looks nice, but what other alternatives are there, for Debian? |
| 12:21.16 | Jarris | thx in advance for any hints. |
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| 12:22.40 | aguitel | babilen, lxdm to replace gdm3 |
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| 12:23.30 | Devastator | this was the sentence I choose: A reboot might be required for the new settings to work. |
| 12:24.03 | babilen | Devastator: Sounds very much like me :) |
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| 12:24.21 | seravitae | babilen:: thanks - though, now that everything is working, i plan to never upgrade. |
| 12:24.36 | seravitae | it works, so i'll just leave it for now, until it breaks, which is probably in a few years. |
| 12:24.37 | babilen | seravitae: well ... |
| 12:24.51 | Devastator | heheh, I didn't think it would go straight in, I thought it would go for approval or something |
| 12:24.57 | babilen | You do get kernel upgrades for security problems |
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| 12:25.17 | babilen | (or during point upgrades, ...) |
| 12:25.21 | seravitae | babilen: yeah, though this box is just a hextuple lcd dumb terminal effectively. |
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| 12:25.46 | seravitae | my NAS//VM box runs as a backend for it. |
| 12:25.51 | seravitae | which issecure/upgraded/etc. |
| 12:27.11 | babilen | seravitae: Sure, do what you want to do. I just find it much easier to simply type the few commands in "/msg dpkg fglrx dkms" and let the system take care of the installation and module compilation whenever needed than having to download an installer (that is not as well integrated into the system and might even cause problems), having to run that /every/ time something changes the kernel, ... |
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| 12:28.02 | seravitae | as stated, the card is sort of custom, the default drivers can't or don't handle the eyefinity portion which is required to access the custom size framebuffer. |
| 12:28.12 | seravitae | ergo the card i s useless to me without catalyst. |
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| 12:29.45 | babilen | seravitae: yeah, so? Why wouldn't you use the catalyst driver (fglrx!) as packaged by Debian and integrated into the system? |
| 12:30.02 | ^DEMOSS^ | babilen: security = share )) |
| 12:30.17 | babilen | aguitel: I am not sure if LXDM has been packaged yet |
| 12:30.29 | babilen | ^DEMOSS^: Was that the missing setting? |
| 12:30.38 | ^DEMOSS^ | yes |
| 12:31.03 | seravitae | babilen: because this works, and it aint broke, so i aint fixing it. its served me for many years this way. |
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| 12:31.22 | ^DEMOSS^ | security settings be a USER - if you wanna have no passsword access - you must set it to SHARE |
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| 12:32.27 | babilen | seravitae: It is also more complicated and /will/ break .. but meh. Just keep in mind that there is a better way in the future. I'll drop this and you /will/ have to ask in #ati for support with that installation. |
| 12:33.20 | seravitae | nothing was more complicated in the past than installing squeeze followed by catalyst followed by a reboot. this time, not sure what happened, but i have a feeling it won't happen again. I dont plan to upgrade the drivers, the box, or anything. the box is likely to not even be on the net. |
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| 12:35.20 | ad_sd | hi |
| 12:35.41 | Towzzer | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:35.49 | Towzzer | means I have trouble paying attention |
| 12:36.00 | aguitel | babilen, what is the difference between gdm3 and gdm (in suqeeze) ? |
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| 12:37.09 | khem_ | Is there some neat way to use 'alien' to create a .deb of an *already* installed .rpm package by archiving the files registerd in package db? |
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| 12:51.46 | cardamon | Having trouble with dzen2. It can't open my fonts. "dzen: error, cannot load font: '-*-terminus-*-*-*-*-12-*-*-*-*-*-iso8859-*'" |
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| 12:52.35 | jelly | cardamon: is xfonts-terminus installed? |
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| 12:53.24 | jelly | cardamon: does that app really still use bitmapped X11 fonts? |
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| 12:54.30 | cardamon | jelly: I think it can use xft now if compiled in. |
| 12:55.10 | jelly | cardamon: well, maybe you have to switch to an xft font designation now instead of the X11 font server one |
| 12:56.15 | cardamon | jelly: no, it wasn't installed. |
| 12:56.20 | jelly | cardamon: the dependencies for dzen2 package don't show any fontconfig or freetype packages |
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| 12:56.58 | jelly | cardamon: xset fp rehash after installing it if you want the current session to notice the newly installed bitmap fonts |
| 12:57.21 | cardamon | jelly: It also did the same for a font that I install by shoving in a local directory and running fc-config...wasn't sure what else to do. |
| 12:57.55 | cardamon | Whats the difference between bitmap fonts and everything else? |
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| 12:59.51 | cardamon | ...nevermind. fc-list doesn't report anything not in /usr/share/fonts |
| 13:00.11 | hyppias | trying to get ssh working: debian-win7 connection. I keep getting "permission denied (publickey)" on the Debian machine. WinSCP works fine. can anyone help me out? what do I do wrong"? See here for the ssh debug dump: http://pastebin.com/udvUQC5m |
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| 13:01.03 | hyppias | have FreeSSHd on Win7 running |
| 13:01.12 | jelly | cardamon: different API and approach to rendering. As I understand it, an app using classic X11 bitmap fonts, they get rendered by the X server; on the other hand, with fc/xft, they get rendered clientside with some caching and help from Render extension |
| 13:01.32 | wsky | hyppias: this is freesshd issue |
| 13:02.24 | wsky | not really debian's |
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| 13:02.44 | cardamon | hyppias: "Offering public key: /root/.ssh/id_rsa" Yuck. |
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| 13:03.08 | jelly | hyppias: you're running this as root on the Debian machine?> |
| 13:03.21 | hyppias | ? why yuk? root? |
| 13:03.28 | cardamon | Yes. |
| 13:03.29 | hyppias | yes |
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| 13:03.32 | ChrisH | hyppias: the calling line is missing |
| 13:03.38 | cardamon | Root logins are bad. |
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| 13:03.49 | cardamon | Even key authed ones. |
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| 13:04.03 | jelly | hyppias: your ssh server only accepts public key auth. |
| 13:04.06 | ChrisH | cardamon: this is a differnt discussion and there are needs to do that |
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| 13:04.25 | jelly | cardamon: he's not connecting as root on the remote side. |
| 13:04.30 | ChrisH | cardamon: donno if its really needed here. |
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| 13:04.45 | jelly | cardamon: merely running the client as root. |
| 13:04.56 | hyppias | calling line is from scp. sorry: scp -v welcome.msg erik:192.168.155.11: |
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| 13:05.04 | cardamon | Ah. But why's it checking for pubkeys in /root/? |
| 13:05.22 | jelly | cardamon: that's where $HOME/.ssh/ is |
| 13:05.28 | hyppias | jelly. yes , that is possible. What can I do with that info? |
| 13:05.40 | ChrisH | hyppias: remote side is windows, so some of these so-called windows sshd use ssh2 format for the keys. So how did you setup authorized_keys on the Windows side? |
| 13:06.08 | jelly | hyppias: reconfigure your ssh server to accept the correct public key, or enable password-based auth on it |
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| 13:06.18 | hyppias | ChrisH: it was done at installation of freesshd |
| 13:06.58 | cardamon | hyppias: Is your remote's pubkey in your ~/.ssh/authorized_keys ? |
| 13:07.04 | ChrisH | hyppias: this does not answer my question. Check the keyfiles on server side. and do not ask me how to do that. I habe no clue. |
| 13:08.01 | hyppias | jelly: on Win7/freessh, I have NT authentication and password stored asSHA1 hash... |
| 13:08.26 | jelly | hyppias: openssh client, however, does not do NT auth. |
| 13:08.44 | hyppias | CHisH: theere are keyfiles on the Win server: RSAkey.pub etc. |
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| 13:09.11 | jelly | hyppias: thus you will have to provide at least one compatible auth method if you want to connect with it. |
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| 13:09.29 | ChrisH | hyppias: do these files match? pub-key and atuhorized key on server side with the ones used on the client? |
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| 13:09.58 | hyppias | I understand that I must mannually exchange the public key files? |
| 13:10.07 | cardamon | default config in debian tries key auth, pam, then password in that order. I suspect you turned off the others...which is good. ssh on a default port with just password auth is a disasterwaiting to happen. |
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| 13:10.15 | jelly | ChrisH: let's not confuse host key pairs and user keys. |
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| 13:11.15 | ChrisH | jelly: hostkey check was OK. line 27-28. I am talking about user keys |
| 13:11.25 | cardamon | Server doesn't need it's own key pairs, just a list of authorized public keys from the remotes it connects to, nominally in ~/.ssh/authorized_keys for the user you're seeking to login as. |
| 13:11.26 | babilen | hyppias: Are you sure that the server knows about your user's key? If not: Why don't you enable password based authentication on the server side, use ssh-copy-id to copy over the keys and try again? This also looks like a problem with the server configuration (which has nothing to do with Debian) rather than a problem with the client. |
| 13:11.42 | jelly | hyppias: I suggest asking the FreeSSHd people or reading their docs on how to prepare public key auth from a unix openssh client. |
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| 13:11.59 | hyppias | ok. thnx so far |
| 13:12.14 | jelly | ChrisH: nod, but I'm not sure hyppias is aware of the difference. |
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| 13:12.40 | Ghormoon | hi, I know that this is a dumb questin, but don't you know why when I feed telnet with data like <file, I can't see output? it prints info on IP, escape characters and such, but not server responses ... when i don't feed it from file and write I see it ... |
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| 13:13.16 | hyppias | host keys are used by the host to make a first connection? |
| 13:13.29 | cardamon | How does one install a font manually? |
| 13:13.32 | hyppias | then afterwards, for user login, the user keys are used? |
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| 13:13.44 | cardamon | I've got two .ttfs |
| 13:15.13 | ExeciN | Does anyone know any simple alternative GTK+ theme? Adwaita (default) is too white. |
| 13:15.27 | jelly | hyppias: host keys are used on every connection so that the client can verify they're connected to the same host they did last time, and avoid a MITM attack |
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| 13:16.05 | hyppias | ok |
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| 13:16.32 | jelly | hyppias: if they're not the same, your client will display a warning |
| 13:16.52 | cardamon | hyppias: You shouldn't think about host keys at all. Yours is fine. Do what babilen said. ssh-copy-id will fill in the authorized_keys with the file your provide it, which should be the public key on the client. |
| 13:17.19 | jelly | cardamon: I'm not sure ssh-copy-id will work at all with some random Windows sshd; |
| 13:17.56 | jelly | they'd have to replicate the openssh directory and config file layout and provide some shell compatibility |
| 13:18.02 | cardamon | True. I have a putty key I converted and use...I added it to mine manually. |
| 13:18.22 | jelly | thus -- read the FreeSSHd docs |
| 13:18.34 | cardamon | ExeciN: I like greybird |
| 13:19.39 | cardamon | ExeciN: Honestly, dark toolkit themes get no love. Especially from developers like Eclipse who seem to think that all toolkits have light backgrounds and force some stuff they shouldn't. |
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| 13:20.28 | cardamon | ...seriously, what do I do to install a ttf font manually? |
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| 13:20.52 | ExeciN | cardamon: I am totally fine with light themes. However I can't stand pure-white. |
| 13:21.26 | jelly | cardamon: copy it to ~/.fonts/, maybe run fc-cache -f? |
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| 13:21.48 | cardamon | I shoved them into ~/.fonts and ran fc-cache -fv but I don't see it on fc-list |
| 13:22.03 | intuxicated | cat /etc/issue --> Debian GNU/Linux wheezy/sid \n \l , is debain 6 ? or 5 ? |
| 13:22.22 | jelly | cardamon: is the font publically available? Which font and which Debian release are you using? |
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| 13:23.33 | jelly | intuxicated: neither, it's something based on the as yet unreleased "wheezy" codename or worse, unstable. Wheezy is going to be Debian 7 when it's out. |
| 13:23.44 | cardamon | Debian 7. Montecarlo. I'm tinkering with a big pile of scripts and I couldn't remember the regex to exchange them all with a font I can actually use. |
| 13:23.47 | jelly | dpkg, tell intuxicated about debian suite |
| 13:23.53 | intuxicated | ok |
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| 13:24.22 | cardamon | ...I meant Wheezy. |
| 13:24.36 | jelly | intuxicated: what does "lsb_release -sc" say? |
| 13:24.38 | cardamon | You said 7...so I thought 7 and typed 7. |
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| 13:25.14 | jelly | cardamon: can I get that font from somewhere? |
| 13:26.00 | cardamon | http://www.bok.net/MonteCarlo/ |
| 13:26.27 | intuxicated | jelly, wheezy |
| 13:26.43 | intuxicated | jelly, i wanna install firefox 19 |
| 13:27.00 | cardamon | I probably won't use it, but I don't remember the commandline fu to regex s///g all these FONT= lines in all these scripts. |
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| 13:27.56 | jelly | cardamon: did you get the Windows TTF or the generic one? |
| 13:27.59 | cardamon | intuxicated: We don't use firefox. Branding issues. We use Iceweasel, built off the mozilla source. If you want to install Firefox, you're free to, but you're on your own. |
| 13:28.03 | cardamon | jelly: Generic. |
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| 13:28.18 | intuxicated | hm , ok ok |
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| 13:28.40 | cardamon | intuxicated: Fortunately, iceweasel is aliased by firefox once installed. |
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| 13:29.32 | bst_ | p |
| 13:29.32 | cardamon | ...er other way around? |
| 13:29.42 | cardamon | bst_: q |
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| 13:30.09 | babilen | intuxicated: You can pull it from experimental, but the ESR version on http://mozilla.debian.net might work better. (there was a user yesterday who had problem with 19 from iceweasel-release -- YMMV) |
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| 13:30.21 | bst_ | sorry my bad |
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| 13:30.35 | intuxicated | ty all :) |
| 13:30.38 | jelly | cardamon: have you tried the windows ones? |
| 13:30.43 | cardamon | Experimental's not for the faint of heart. |
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| 13:31.05 | jelly | babilen: firefox 19 broke my favorite extension!?!!?!!!!111 |
| 13:31.19 | babilen | jelly: no, a simple and clean segfault :) |
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| 13:31.32 | jelly | babilen: I mean for me!?!?!!!! |
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| 13:34.39 | cardamon | jelly: that worked. |
| 13:35.16 | cardamon | Although my line for loading the font path is still wrong. |
| 13:35.43 | jelly | cardamon: you're welcome |
| 13:35.45 | cardamon | Ah, that one is fixed to 12. |
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| 13:36.05 | cardamon | ...I should just get xft fonts working and change all the fffing lines. |
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| 13:36.33 | jelly | it's a bitmap font with fixed size, what do you expect |
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| 13:37.38 | jelly | might as well use the .pcf |
| 13:37.49 | cardamon | jelly: That it work. I don't know where this guy got this obscure font...for all I know it comes from AUR. These smell like an Arch user's scripts. |
| 13:38.00 | cardamon | There's zsh stuff all over the place. |
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| 13:38.27 | reuf | i have this astgeriks card: http://www.stocksy.co.uk/articles/Networks/review_x100p_wildcard_fxo_card_from_x100p_com - what kind of software can i use to run asteriks server on i |
| 13:38.31 | jelly | cardamon: uh, I have no idea what you're talking about |
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| 13:38.45 | abrotman | reuf: there's a #asterisk |
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| 13:40.28 | Slydder | wow. am seriously starting to wonder about debian. just noticed that squeeze has no pam_tty_audit.so in the libpam0 package |
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| 13:40.56 | Slydder | how does that even happen in a distro that is supposed to be one of the most stable and secure for production use. |
| 13:42.28 | abrotman | could it be called something else? |
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| 13:45.01 | Slydder | nope. it's available in sid but that's it. |
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| 13:45.20 | Slydder | gonna have to rebuild the package to get support. grrrrr. |
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| 13:48.56 | babilen | fwiw, that is #699159 |
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| 13:50.00 | Slydder | babilen: correct |
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| 14:04.59 | khem_ | what is the best way to create a Debian package for pre-compiled binaries? i don't want to build anything, just archive precompiled binaries. :) |
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| 14:06.28 | tarkem | khem_ could dpkg-repack be of any help ? |
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| 14:11.51 | Walther | Hello folks! Anyone have any tips regarding squeeze and this http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=610184 |
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| 14:13.09 | aguitel | what is the period of squeeze updates ?+ |
| 14:13.12 | dcpc007 | hello all, does anyone uses Debian wheezy on vmware esxi 5.0 hosts please ? got problem with vmware-tools cd mount |
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| 14:14.08 | abrotman | aguitel: what? |
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| 14:14.43 | aguitel | until what date there will be updates in squeeze |
| 14:14.59 | abrotman | aguitel: approximately one year following wheezy's release |
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| 14:15.39 | aguitel | and what about wheezy release date ? |
| 14:15.55 | abrotman | there isn't one set |
| 14:16.06 | aguitel | ok |
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| 14:18.21 | khem_ | tarkem: thx |
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| 14:22.30 | yang | Any idea what buggers my CD-ROM drive that the CD doesn't come out anymore with "eject /dev/sr0" http://v4.si/dmesg8.txt |
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| 14:24.14 | visi0n | hello all |
| 14:24.25 | visi0n | i have installed debian 6.0.7 squeeze using netinstall |
| 14:24.30 | visi0n | i want to change to testing |
| 14:24.32 | abrotman | yang: it offlined it .. time to use a paperclip |
| 14:24.37 | abrotman | !tell visi0n about squeeze->wheezy |
| 14:24.43 | visi0n | my question is do i need to modify 'volatile' section |
| 14:24.49 | yang | ehhh |
| 14:25.03 | yang | yeah it seems like the CD is somewhat damaged, it spins but doesnt come out |
| 14:25.04 | abrotman | visi0n: no such thing anymore .. hasn't been for some time |
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| 14:25.24 | yang | doesnt seem like this unit can use a paperclip |
| 14:25.26 | abrotman | yang: i'd probably get it out before the CD shatters in the drive and you have no drive at all |
| 14:25.38 | yang | ok |
| 14:25.38 | visi0n | well i have two squeeze-update lines |
| 14:25.44 | visi0n | do i need to change them too |
| 14:25.44 | ExeciN | No matter what mirror I choose, I always get the same errors. What's wrong? http://pastebin.com/63Cr1Ntd |
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| 14:27.59 | visi0n | for example,do i need to change squeeze-updates to testing-updates ? |
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| 14:28.43 | Nik05 | ExeciN: what is your /etc/apt/sources.list ? |
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| 14:29.34 | Nik05 | ExeciN: it looks like ftp.gr.debian.org is down |
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| 14:29.55 | abrotman | visi0n: you'd change to wheezy-updates .. though it will 404 for now |
| 14:30.05 | ExeciN | Nik05: I tried with other mirrors as well |
| 14:30.05 | abrotman | ExeciN: use http.debian.net |
| 14:30.11 | babilen | visi0n: fwiw, you can also install wheezy directly (see <install wheezy> and <firmware images wheezy> and <installation guide wheezy>) -- Regarding your sources.list: You want something along the lines of "/msg dpkg make wheezy sources.list" |
| 14:30.45 | Towzzer | what is the advantage of debbootstrap |
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| 14:30.49 | Towzzer | why not use an installation cd |
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| 14:31.09 | babilen | visi0n: And you don't want to use "testing" but "wheezy" in your sources.list (unless you want to stay with testing after wheezy's release (then jessie) which will, however, be a bit of a bumpy ride in the beginning (and later)) |
| 14:31.28 | Towzzer | jessie is the name of the next one? |
| 14:31.46 | babilen | Towzzer: You can bootstrap a system from another running system, bootstrap in a chroot, bootstrap for bootstrapping parties, … |
| 14:31.48 | Nik05 | Towzzer: jessie is the release after wheezy |
| 14:31.48 | abrotman | Towzzer: /topic |
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| 14:32.45 | visi0n | i have these lines right now in sources.list |
| 14:32.53 | Walther | btw, any info on this bug and howto fix it under squeeze http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=610184 |
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| 14:33.03 | visi0n | deb [mirror] testing main contrib non-free |
| 14:33.11 | abrotman | no ... |
| 14:33.13 | visi0n | deb-src [mirror] testing main contrib non-free |
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| 14:33.32 | abrotman | !tell visi0n about wheezy sources.list |
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| 14:33.40 | abrotman | visi0n: you do *not* want to use 'testing' |
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| 14:34.13 | abrotman | Walther: it's an upstream bug, it's been fixed .. you'd probably have to apply the patch to the squeeze package and rebuild |
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| 14:34.57 | Walther | abrotman: ...hmm? |
| 14:35.10 | abrotman | did you read the whole bug? |
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| 14:35.48 | visi0n | abrotman: ok,one more question |
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| 14:36.09 | visi0n | dpkg in IRC tells me that i should remove squeeze-updates lines |
| 14:36.10 | dpkg | visi0n: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about |
| 14:36.18 | abrotman | yes, you were told that ... |
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| 14:37.20 | visi0n | ok thanks |
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| 14:45.32 | ExeciN | http://pastebin.com/cEibnHLs I tried many other mirrors with no luck |
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| 14:46.40 | Towzzer | I think it's source |
| 14:46.44 | Towzzer | or sources, lowercase |
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| 14:49.39 | Nik05 | ExeciN: have you tried http://debian.net ? |
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| 14:50.30 | babilen | dpkg: tell ExeciN -about make wheezy sources.list |
| 14:50.35 | babilen | dpkg: tell ExeciN -about make http.debian.net |
| 14:50.50 | Nik05 | oh wait http.debian.net :) |
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| 14:54.22 | abrotman | ExeciN: like i said before, use http.debian.net, not ftp.us.debian.org |
| 14:54.22 | babilen | Nik05: Yeah, their website it http://http.debian.net :-D |
| 14:54.44 | babilen | And yeah, why is nobody listening to us? |
| 14:54.45 | abrotman | ExeciN: when you're done editing, pastebin your sources.list |
| 14:54.55 | abrotman | babilen: cottage cheese for brains |
| 14:55.02 | babilen | (and use http://paste.debian.net not the horrible text-mangling, ad-ridden pastebin.com) |
| 14:55.05 | Nik05 | ExeciN: test 123, earth to ExeciN |
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| 14:59.22 | raouf | hi there, I'm about to make a wifi cable (lmr400) witch kind of n connector is better normal or reverse polarity ? |
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| 15:01.44 | ExeciN | sources.list http://pastebin.com/P9Td4efE and the output http://pastebin.com/bHE8F6tA |
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| 15:03.27 | Nik05 | well so its working now ExeciN ? |
| 15:04.17 | ExeciN | Nik05: no. apt-get update returns what I posted on the second pastebin link |
| 15:04.41 | Nik05 | wheezy doesnt have wheezy/updates now |
| 15:04.51 | Nik05 | so those are the errors you get |
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| 15:07.04 | Devastator | is there a online copy of /etc/init.d/skeleton? |
| 15:07.32 | Nik05 | babilen: aptitude update is now going much faster then with ftp.nl.debian.org but when doing an upgrade its downloading packages a lot slower |
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| 15:09.35 | shakaponk | hello guyz, i'm on debian wheezy/kde, getting a message of package update, but when i'm trying to install/update getting could not download package check network connectivity |
| 15:09.50 | gerlos | hello! Any tip on migrating a debian squeeze system from an usual ext4 partition to lvm? I'd like to use lvm snapshot feature for backups, but I'm unsureif I need to do something special with kernel modules or with grub2 |
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| 15:10.49 | Nik05 | shakaponk: how are you updating? what are the errors? and whats in /etc/apt/sources.list? |
| 15:11.04 | Nik05 | http://paste.debian.net/ to paste |
| 15:11.30 | dcpc007 | hello all, does anyone uses Debian wheezy on vmware esxi 5.0 hosts please ? got problem with vmware-tools cd mount (no error, but /media/cdrom empty) |
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| 15:12.36 | shakaponk | Nik05: http://paste.debian.net/238077/ |
| 15:12.45 | jhutchins_wk | gerlos: No, you don't need to do anything special, but I don't believe you can convert the data in place. You'll either need to create the new ext4 or migrate the data off and back on. |
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| 15:14.09 | Nik05 | shakaponk: and what errors do you get? |
| 15:14.13 | shakaponk | Nik05: first i get a window that says: additional changes are required to complete the task 6 packages to downgrade -> continue ; package download failed, please check your network connectivity |
| 15:14.29 | Nik05 | how are you upgrading? |
| 15:14.29 | gerlos | jhutchins_wk: thanks for the answer! I know I need to do a backup, I've already a bigger disk for backup and sysresccd ready :-) |
| 15:14.51 | shakaponk | Nik05: E: Internal error, packages left unconfigured. packagekit-tools:amd64 |
| 15:14.55 | jhutchins_wk | gerlos: You might also want to look at clonezilla. |
| 15:15.20 | shakaponk | Nik05: it is a system notification |
| 15:15.32 | Nik05 | HOW do you update and upgrade? |
| 15:15.38 | Nik05 | apt-get, aptitude with what? |
| 15:15.46 | gerlos | jhutchins_wk: do I have to chroot on the restored system and run grub-install toupdate grub? |
| 15:15.57 | shakaponk | Nik05: it is a system notification from tray icon |
| 15:16.13 | Nik05 | and i should know what that is? :P |
| 15:16.55 | Nik05 | !give shakaponk http.debian.net |
| 15:16.55 | dpkg | gives shakaponk http.debian.net |
| 15:16.56 | shakaponk | Nik05: just askin. u guess it is a visual component called apper? |
| 15:17.59 | Nik05 | shakaponk: can you do aptitude update? |
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| 15:19.32 | shakaponk | Nik05: sure, did it |
| 15:19.48 | shakaponk | now i'm gettin 8 updates in the system notifyer |
| 15:19.49 | Nik05 | what does aptitude safe-upgrade do? |
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| 15:20.58 | shakaponk | Nik05: didn't try it, should i? |
| 15:22.24 | Nik05 | shakaponk: how do you normally upgrade? |
| 15:22.35 | shakaponk | Nik05: seemed to work with safe upgrade |
| 15:22.35 | shakaponk | thx |
| 15:22.57 | shakaponk | Nik05: just installed system few days ago, never done it before |
| 15:23.02 | Nik05 | oh ok |
| 15:23.19 | shakaponk | but safe-upgrade did it |
| 15:23.29 | shakaponk | thx |
| 15:23.34 | Nik05 | so if you now do aptitude search ~U you dont get any output? |
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| 15:24.54 | shakaponk | but i've got another question: how can i start for example kate/kwrite as root from terminal? getting No protocol specified kwrite: cannot connect to X server :0 |
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| 15:25.14 | shakaponk | some approaches i found didnt work |
| 15:25.24 | allorder | shakaponk: kdesudo |
| 15:25.36 | wsky | kdesudo idd |
| 15:26.10 | shakaponk | allorder: wsky , tried it too |
| 15:26.27 | shakaponk | getting a promt, typing root pwd, nothing happens |
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| 15:26.34 | wsky | shakaponk: kdesudo 'your command' |
| 15:26.35 | shakaponk | sorry, getting wrong password |
| 15:27.02 | shakaponk | but password is fine |
| 15:27.10 | wsky | pebkac |
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| 15:34.25 | lancelot_of | hi there |
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| 15:37.44 | lancelot_of | i'm trying to add true transparency to conky under fluxbox so i read that a composite manager is needed. I tried xcompmgr but running it under fluxbox seem to flicker. Any suggestion? |
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| 15:39.50 | wsky | lancelot_of: why do you need true transparency in conky? |
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| 15:41.13 | lancelot_of | wsky, i'd like to make it more "opacue" due to a brightening wm |
| 15:41.20 | lancelot_of | wallpaper,sorry |
| 15:42.09 | wsky | well, you'll have to abandon it because xcompmgr is only trouble |
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| 15:42.26 | wsky | doesn't do good in dwm as well |
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| 15:42.39 | chipotle | hi, i need to update about 130 packages on my server; is it possible to update only some of them with aptitude? i'm really nervous about updating any that i've had to change config files to... |
| 15:42.48 | lancelot_of | wsky, :( thanks anyway |
| 15:43.01 | wsky | np |
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| 15:44.44 | lancelot_of | wsky, do you know why cairo-compmgr is not available anymore in debian? |
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| 15:45.15 | wsky | lancelot_of: not in sid |
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| 15:45.35 | wsky | chipotle: yes, you can run apt-get install instead of upgrade |
| 15:45.36 | babilen | chipotle: You can simply install whatever you want to upgrade -- Could you paste a list of those packages to http://paste.debian.net ? You might aso be interested in apt-listchanges and apt-listbugs btw, which will show the changelog and query the BTS before installing the packages if configured that way. Are you running squeeze? |
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| 16:01.34 | Serverket | hello |
| 16:01.48 | Serverket | I have a question, I got this so-weird issue |
| 16:01.53 | Towzzer | what's up |
| 16:02.12 | Serverket | I just shutted down my pc yesterday (I use Debian whezzy) |
| 16:03.00 | Serverket | and today I found that rhythmbox is gone, I don't have shuttdown button on my desktop menu, and some other packages are just.. gone |
| 16:03.15 | Towzzer | maybe some thing didn't mount? |
| 16:03.25 | Serverket | I didn't update nor change packages nor nothing, I just shutted down and turn on today |
| 16:03.41 | Towzzer | any errors in dmesg? |
| 16:03.43 | Serverket | I just have one partition, all fill with debian |
| 16:03.46 | Serverket | none |
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| 16:04.58 | babilen | Serverket: Take a look at /var/log/dpkg.log* and /var/log/apt/* and /var/log/aptitude* -- Check if there's some information. What does "apt-cache policy rhythmbox" give you? What about "grep rhythmbox /var/log/dpkg.log*" ? (paste to http://paste.debian.net ) |
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| 16:07.15 | neon__ | badblocks: 0.92% done, 13:24:09 elapsed. (1260/0/0 errors) |
| 16:08.06 | neon__ | this test is going to take 58 days I guess :? |
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| 16:08.53 | Towzzer | if it's that slow, something is wrong |
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| 16:09.02 | Towzzer | a 500GB drive here takes about 7 hours to fully scan |
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| 16:09.32 | neon__ | there are 1260 bad blocks so far 4KByte blocks |
| 16:09.34 | Serverket | add this to list, gnome got freeze |
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| 16:09.58 | neon__ | so this HD is evil |
| 16:10.05 | Serverket | I had to reboot... this can't be happening with Debian |
| 16:10.12 | Serverket | my music player is gone |
| 16:10.21 | Serverket | packages are missing |
| 16:10.41 | Serverket | I just turn off and turn on with 5 hours of difference |
| 16:10.42 | neon__ | Serverket, wheezy? |
| 16:10.42 | babilen | Serverket: So, what about the info I asked about? |
| 16:10.44 | Serverket | yes |
| 16:10.55 | Serverket | I didn't see it, system got freeze |
| 16:11.02 | neon__ | my wheezy sucks too |
| 16:11.02 | babilen | Serverket: Take a look at /var/log/dpkg.log* and /var/log/apt/* and /var/log/aptitude* -- Check if there's some information. What does "apt-cache policy rhythmbox" give you? What about "grep rhythmbox /var/log/dpkg.log*" ? (paste to http://paste.debian.net ) |
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| 16:11.16 | babilen | neon__: does it? |
| 16:11.17 | Serverket | it showed me a message like "clearing orphaned..."! |
| 16:11.32 | neon__ | babilen, yes it does |
| 16:11.36 | babilen | Serverket: That looks as if you had a corrupted filesystem |
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| 16:11.45 | babilen | neon__: Would you mind elaborating on that? |
| 16:12.12 | neon__ | babilen, don't u remember me? |
| 16:12.25 | Serverket | but how I could happend!??? I keep my sistem clean, even I use bleachbit to clean it often |
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| 16:13.54 | babilen | Serverket: Could you show me the information I asked about. Then please install smartmontools and paste the output of "smartctl --all /dev/sda" to http://paste.debian.net |
| 16:15.35 | Serverket | http://paste.debian.net/238086/ |
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| 16:16.02 | babilen | neon__: I don't recall spending an extensive amount of time working with you on something. My logs also indicate that we haven't - What am I missing? I can see that you had some problems with your sound configuration and the like, but I am not entirely sure what you refer to now. |
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| 16:18.44 | neon__ | babilen, now I refer to lousy handling of RAM, which cause the system to crawl, and force me to use it as if it was a DOS machine, despite having 4GB RAM. |
| 16:19.00 | neon__ | babilen, one app at a time. |
| 16:19.01 | babilen | Serverket: So, rhythmbox is not installed -- What about "grep rhythmbox /var/log/dpkg.log" (or "zgrep rhythmbox /var/log/dpkg.log*.gz") |
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| 16:20.07 | jhutchins_wk | neon__: I suspect you've never actually worked in MSDOS> |
| 16:20.29 | babilen | neon__: I am not aware of issues like that nor have I ever experienced anything to that effect. Would it be possible to be more precise about the cause and symptoms of this than "lousy handling of RAM" and "cause system to crawl" ? |
| 16:20.40 | neon__ | jhutchins_wk, well, I did |
| 16:20.47 | jhutchins_wk | neon__: Which versions? |
| 16:20.59 | neon__ | jhutchins_wk, iirc 5 |
| 16:21.27 | neon__ | jhutchins_wk, $P$G |
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| 16:22.43 | neon__ | jhutchins_wk, echo on |
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| 16:27.02 | Serverket | http://paste.debian.net/238091/ |
| 16:27.45 | babilen | Serverket: "2013-02-25 04:52:11 remove rhythmbox-data:all 2.97-2.1" looks as if you removed it earlier today |
| 16:27.53 | Serverket | why this happened? my sistem looks like the first version of gnome shell 3 |
| 16:28.04 | neon__ | 0.96% done, 13:44:56 elapsed. (1292/0/0 errors) |
| 16:28.15 | Serverket | I didn't do that, I just turn on the computer |
| 16:28.21 | babilen | neon__: Please stop pasting this into the channel -- There is absolutely no need to do that. |
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| 16:28.47 | babilen | Serverket: Well, your logs say otherwise. What have you been doing at 5 in the morning? |
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| 16:29.11 | Serverket | I let bleachbit clean the computer all night, it takes a long |
| 16:29.19 | Serverket | and this never happened before |
| 16:29.26 | babilen | Serverket: The actual entry is "2013-02-25 04:51:55 remove rhythmbox:i386 2.97-2.1" ... |
| 16:29.31 | Serverket | I made it several times ago |
| 16:29.46 | babilen | Serverket: So you ran bleachbit and it removed things |
| 16:30.01 | neon__ | babilen, just making a conversation. |
| 16:30.10 | Serverket | how? and why? It did never do that before |
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| 16:31.26 | babilen | Serverket: Could you paste /var/log/apt/history.log please? |
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| 16:32.29 | babilen | (or /var/log/aptitude if you use that) |
| 16:32.37 | intuxicated | has anyone here installed cinnamon ? |
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| 16:33.11 | babilen | intuxicated: http://qa.debian.org/popcon.php?package=cinnamon |
| 16:33.32 | babilen | intuxicated: Now you only have to figure out how many of them are in #debian -- Why do you want to know? |
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| 16:34.00 | intuxicated | babilen, i wanna install it :S |
| 16:34.08 | babilen | intuxicated: so, why don't you? |
| 16:34.54 | intuxicated | babilen, i installed cinnamon package , but i can't find "cinnamon" in session list |
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| 16:35.09 | intuxicated | maybe there is something i missed |
| 16:35.13 | babilen | Ah, now we are getting somewhere. :) |
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| 16:35.54 | mefistofeles | hey, I'm having issues with my wireless mouse, it stops working suddenly on deiban wheezy (amd64), any ideas? |
| 16:36.01 | mefistofeles | debian* |
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| 16:37.10 | babilen | intuxicated: so, you have now installed the cinnamon packages and /all/ its dependencies / recommends and you logged out. You then try to select it in gdm3's list of sessions that is presented after you've selected a user. Is that the general idea or is something wrong about that? |
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| 16:37.37 | babilen | intuxicated: Which version of Debian do you use and what does "apt-cache policy ; apt-cache policy cinnamon" give you? |
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| 16:38.14 | intuxicated | babilen, all dependencies ? :S i think i forget to do this step |
| 16:38.31 | mtn | mefistofeles: how does your mouse connect? tried other ports? did it work before? what did you change? etc, etc |
| 16:38.35 | babilen | intuxicated: May I see the output of the command I just mentioned on http://paste.debian.net ? |
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| 16:38.47 | intuxicated | babilen, yeah , wait |
| 16:38.48 | Serverket | denied |
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| 16:38.59 | Serverket | I can't, it denies |
| 16:39.37 | babilen | Serverket: What denies you from doing what? |
| 16:39.45 | xinming | Anyone here knows wether there is a way to make a 64bit kernel which can be installed for i686? |
| 16:40.12 | xinming | for now, I use --arch i686, And then, I found the script is trying compile the kernel in 32bit |
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| 16:40.27 | xinming | What I want is something like, 64bit kernel, and 32bit userland. |
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| 16:41.26 | babilen | xinming: amd64 kernels are already provided by Debian for i386 systems |
| 16:41.32 | babilen | ,v linux-image-amd64 |
| 16:41.34 | judd | Package: linux-image-amd64 on i386 -- lenny: 2.6.26+17+lenny1; lenny-backports: 2.6.32+27~bpo50+1; squeeze: 2.6.32+29; squeeze-backports: 3.2+44~bpo60+1; squeeze-backports: 3.2+46~bpo60+1; sid: 3.2+46; wheezy: 3.2+46 |
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| 16:41.37 | babilen | xinming: ^^^ |
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| 16:42.55 | xinming | babilen: What I mean is, I compile them myself |
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| 16:43.07 | xinming | I want to test newest kernel. |
| 16:43.18 | xinming | I mean tatse. |
| 16:43.23 | xinming | taste* |
| 16:44.14 | babilen | xinming: You can install 3.7 kernels from experimental or use make deb-pkg as detailed in http://kernel-handbook.alioth.debian.org/ch-common-tasks.html -- don't know off the top of my head how to get the amd64 ones for i386 though. |
| 16:44.29 | intuxicated | babilen, http://paste.debian.net/238098/ |
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| 16:45.06 | xinming | babilen: I tried many options, But it seems, the result .deb I get is not installable on a pure 32bit host |
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| 16:45.17 | xinming | I tried --arch i686 |
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| 16:46.57 | babilen | intuxicated: First of all: cinnamon is /not/ in wheezy and you cannot install it with only wheezy in your sources list. Well, you have testing in there (which is a bad idea as you will inadvertendly "upgrade" to jessie after the release of wheezy) but that doesn't change anything. |
| 16:47.30 | babilen | xinming: What are you trying /exactly/, what did you expect to happen and what happened /exactly/ -- Please provide commands and output on http://paste.debian.net to illustrate that problem. |
| 16:48.12 | babilen | xinming: And as I said: you can simply install linux-image-3.7-trunk-amd64 from experimental if you want to test that kernel. Why do you think that you need it? |
| 16:48.38 | babilen | ,v cinnamon |
| 16:48.40 | judd | Package: cinnamon on i386 -- sid: 1.6.7-2 |
| 16:48.42 | xinming | I was trying lin3.8 |
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| 16:48.57 | babilen | intuxicated: ^^^ Secondly: What is that Ubuntu PPA doing in there? |
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| 16:49.16 | intuxicated | babilen, i don't know believe me |
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| 16:49.25 | XDS2010 | Does apt-get interpret letters ONLY as a higher or lower value !? |
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| 16:49.56 | nkuttler | XDS2010: do you mean in version strings? |
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| 16:50.03 | XDS2010 | i know its based on acsii but i want a letter value lower than 0 |
| 16:50.15 | XDS2010 | nkuttler: yes |
| 16:50.48 | XDS2010 | for instance i have released myapp_v4.0 now i want to release myapp_x |
| 16:51.06 | nkuttler | you probably want to check the policy.. i think some things like - or ~ might be ordered higher |
| 16:51.07 | neon__ | I started badblocks from the middle of the HD, now it progress at 0.5%/minute. Good. |
| 16:51.16 | Sevet | XDS2010: if you're changing the version string format prefix with 1: |
| 16:51.29 | Sevet | (or the current unix timestamp) |
| 16:51.30 | babilen | intuxicated: Ok, please remove the PPA from your /etc/apt/sources.list and replace "testing" with "wheezy" -- If you want to install packages from sid you can either follow an approach such as "/msg dpkg tum" which will, however, mean that your system will have problems if wheezy and sid diverges over time or you can try to backport cinnamon from sid to wheezy. |
| 16:51.41 | XDS2010 | Sevet: thats what i want to avoid |
| 16:51.53 | XDS2010 | im releasing an unstable app |
| 16:52.08 | chipotle | hi, i need to update about 130 packages on my server; is it possible to update only some of them with aptitude? i'm really nervous about updating any that i've had to change config files to... |
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| 16:52.21 | babilen | intuxicated: Another approach would be to run sid or simply not use cinnamon. I have no idea what to recommend to you, but running sid /is/ a lot of work (or will be once wheezy has been released) |
| 16:52.22 | intuxicated | babilen, ok |
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| 16:52.39 | babilen | dpkg: tell intuxicated -about ssb |
| 16:52.41 | Sevet | XDS2010: http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-controlfields.html#s-f-Version |
| 16:53.04 | babilen | intuxicated: Our bot told you about the backport approach, but I have no idea how many packages you have to backport in order to get cinnamon working. |
| 16:53.36 | XDS2010 | Sevet: this seems flawed is there a secondary versioning system i could try ? |
| 16:54.00 | xinming | the output is gone, and not able to reproduce it, I replaced the chroot witddf |
| 16:54.06 | xinming | oops |
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| 16:54.18 | Sevet | XDS2010: what are the old and new versions you trying, exactly? |
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| 16:54.42 | XDS2010 | From 1.6.2-2 to X |
| 16:54.47 | babilen | intuxicated: the "easiest" way for now is certainly to add sid sources to your sources.list and set the default release (cf. <default release>) to wheezy. That would allow you to install it from sid simply by running "apt-get -t sid install cinnamon" (this is essentially tum-with-problems) -- That approach /will/ get problematic once sid and wheezy diverge a lot. Your option then would be to actually upgrade from wheezy to jessie (that is to run ... |
| 16:54.53 | babilen | ... testing again) |
| 16:54.58 | xinming | babilen: What I want actually. I have 2 machines, one is desktop, another is a netbook |
| 16:54.59 | XDS2010 | v = 86 ? |
| 16:55.08 | intuxicated | babilen, thanks dude for this information |
| 16:55.20 | XDS2010 | X = ? |
| 16:55.49 | babilen | intuxicated: So in short: I would either recommend: 1. Don't use cinnamon 2. Use the tum approach and stay with testing/unstable in your sources.list and set the default release to testing 3. Backport cinnamon to wheezy and keep it that way (and continue to backport new releases that are uploaded into sid manually) |
| 16:55.52 | denstark | chipotle: just apt-get (or aptitude) upgrade <pkgname> the ones you want to update |
| 16:55.56 | XDS2010 | Sevet: i basically want the app to be less consumable |
| 16:56.08 | XDS2010 | but still consumable |
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| 16:56.32 | mefistofeles | 11:37 < mtn> mefistofeles: how does your mouse connect? tried other ports? did it work before? what did you change? etc, etc |
| 16:56.37 | intuxicated | i like 1 |
| 16:56.41 | mefistofeles | sorry |
| 16:56.43 | Sevet | XDS2010: 'The lexical comparison is a comparison of ASCII values modified so that all the letters sort earlier than all the non-letters', but it doesn't clarify upper/lower case |
| 16:56.56 | babilen | intuxicated: Approach 2 will be tricky once wheezy has been released as testing is unfrozen again and a lot of software will transition into testing again (from unstable to which all the stuff that now lingers in experimental is uploaded) |
| 16:57.07 | Sevet | XDS2010: 'consumable'? |
| 16:57.17 | mefistofeles | 11:37 < mtn> mefistofeles: how does your mouse connect? tried other ports? did it work before? what did you change? etc, etc ---> Fresh install, usb wireless mouse (genius netscroll 120), already tried different usb ports and nothing, dmesg shows no error just the usual "new high speed usb device found". |
| 16:57.18 | XDS2010 | Sevet: so is there a letter value less than ~ ? |
| 16:57.38 | Sevet | XDS2010: 'and so that a tilde sorts before anything' |
| 16:57.45 | XDS2010 | Sevet: im using this for vanity purposes |
| 16:58.01 | babilen | intuxicated: I don't really like any of the mix-n-match approaches and would simply use unstable (and I do, in fact), but there are problems with all of these. I hope that you have an idea what your options are and that you can act accoringly :) |
| 16:58.27 | Sevet | XDS2010: don't do it for vanity purposes, be consistent with the versioning system used for all other packages |
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| 16:58.34 | XDS2010 | Sevet: basically i want to know what deb translates x to |
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| 16:58.51 | XDS2010 | Sevet: thats what i want to avoid |
| 16:58.52 | Serverket | it doesn't want to show the log you asked for |
| 16:58.54 | Sevet | XDS2010: www.asciitable.com |
| 16:59.03 | mtn | mefistofeles: does it work part of the time? |
| 16:59.18 | mefistofeles | mtn: yes, a few secs |
| 16:59.28 | XDS2010 | Sevet: im not consistent |
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| 16:59.35 | mtn | mefistofeles: no idea |
| 16:59.53 | XDS2010 | I want to avoid consistency |
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| 17:00.09 | xinming | babilen: What I want actually. I have 2 machines, one is desktop, another is a netbook, My netbook uses i686 arch of debian for smaller ram cost. and I compile the kernel on desktop, The desktop has a amd64 debian running under lxc container, then, I try the kernel I compiled on amd64 doesn't install on netbook Because it reports "not suitable arch"(Not 100% correct, But something like this). And I tried the option which is "--cross-compile -", I still get |
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| 17:00.25 | babilen | Serverket: Any progress? |
| 17:00.27 | Contingency | abrotman |
| 17:00.51 | Serverket | none |
| 17:01.07 | babilen | Serverket: so you cannot paste /var/log/apt/history.log ? |
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| 17:01.45 | babilen | Serverket: Be that as it may: Something removed rhythmbox (and probably more, paste /var/log/dpkg.log too) at around five in the morning. |
| 17:01.47 | XDS2010 | is there a way to reverse the ascii table ? |
| 17:01.54 | Serverket | it says "denied permission"# |
| 17:02.10 | Sevet | XDS2010: no |
| 17:02.18 | XDS2010 | damn |
| 17:02.29 | xinming | I deleted the amd64 debian container and created a container which is 32bit, Now, It's comipling a 32bit kernel. But I still want to know how do we make a amd64 kernel package which can also be installable on 32bit too. |
| 17:02.43 | Sevet | XDS2010: what exact version numbers are you wanting to use? |
| 17:02.55 | Sevet | (package versions not including package name) |
| 17:02.57 | XDS2010 | i just told you |
| 17:03.00 | XDS2010 | x |
| 17:03.00 | babilen | Serverket: You description of "Turned off my computer and just started it" and your explanation that you ran bleachbit all night also, well, don't quite match up. My current hypothesis /has/ to be that bleachbit or something else caused the removal of some packages. |
| 17:03.14 | XDS2010 | 10 |
| 17:03.18 | zerick | Hi guys, is there a way to see which packages are going to be replaced? |
| 17:03.22 | babilen | Serverket: Are you root? (or a member of the adm group) |
| 17:03.28 | zerick | By a principal package |
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| 17:03.35 | somiaj | zerick: what do you mean replaced? |
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| 17:04.09 | XDS2010 | can the buffer interpret numbers backwards ? |
| 17:04.17 | Sevet | XDS2010: as in roman numeral X? roman numerals will make terrible version numbers as they don't sort lexicographically |
| 17:04.37 | somiaj | xinming: have you looked at the source package for the linux-kernel? It may shead some light into what is going on there. |
| 17:04.37 | zerick | somiaj: upgrading packages, dependencies |
| 17:04.55 | babilen | xinming: I guess you need a combination of: 4.2.4 Building many packages or 4.2.5 Building packages for one flavour and 4.4 Generating orig tarball from newer upstream |
| 17:04.57 | Sevet | XDS2010: there's only the 1 version numbering system. you will not be able to number them they way you want to. |
| 17:05.16 | babilen | xinming: You could start with the 3.7 kernel from experimental -- why do you need 3.8 ? |
| 17:05.17 | somiaj | zerick: when you upgarde with apt or aptitude it tells you what new packages it needs to install, what packages are being upgraded and what packages are being removed. |
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| 17:05.57 | XDS2010 | Sevet: your reasoning is flawed |
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| 17:06.22 | Sevet | how so? |
| 17:06.24 | XDS2010 | in this case i want to be terrible |
| 17:06.28 | mefistofeles | mtn: just noticed something, when it stops working if I move it it wont respond but if I click it starts responding again, some power management issues I bet |
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| 17:06.53 | addaitech | any idea why after installing weechat with apt-get there is no weechat bin? |
| 17:07.01 | denstark | addaitech: weechat-curses |
| 17:07.16 | addaitech | that would probably help thank you sir |
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| 17:07.56 | addaitech | hrm thats installed as well still nothing |
| 17:08.02 | somiaj | addaitech: dpkg -L package_name can list the files intsalled by package name, sometimes useful when looking for the binary |
| 17:08.08 | zerick | somiaj: true, some times it just install directly, not asking, can I make apt ask me to install or not ? What I principally don't want is that, potencial fragile packages upgraded. |
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| 17:08.46 | somiaj | zerick: by default if apt has to do anything besides just install the packages you requested, it will ask you unless you expically tell it not to |
| 17:09.07 | addaitech | somiaj: thanks |
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| 17:09.33 | chipotle | how do i see what packages need updating in aptitude? |
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| 17:10.02 | XDS2010 | chipotle: apt-get install |
| 17:10.08 | somiaj | zerick: so unless you say use the -assume-yes option, it will prompt you before doing anything in any cases that it needs to do more than just install the packages included in your list (i.e. if it has to pull in any dependencies or remove any packages to satisfy depends) |
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| 17:10.39 | chipotle | XDS2010 that won't install everything though, will it? |
| 17:10.41 | somiaj | chipotle: I think there is a way to show all packages that need upgraded in the curses interface, but 'aptitude upgrade' will list the packages it needs to upgrade and ask you if you want to continue. |
| 17:10.43 | Vlat- | Hi |
| 17:10.59 | XDS2010 | no |
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| 17:11.23 | XDS2010 | it should prompt what you want to do first chipotle |
| 17:11.39 | chipotle | i have a bunch of lib* packages that need upgrading, any way to do this more quickly than one by one? i don't want to upgrade EVERY package |
| 17:11.43 | somiaj | in aptitude note the difference between safe-upgrade and full-upgrade. |
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| 17:11.59 | somiaj | chipotle: I just told you, aptitude upgrade (or apt-get upgrade) |
| 17:12.10 | chipotle | somiaj what's the difference? i'm afraid to upgrade and screw something up... |
| 17:12.12 | chipotle | it's a live web server |
| 17:12.14 | zerick | somiaj: Mmm, that's strange, when I run apt-get install sth it just run to download the package |
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| 17:12.28 | Vlat- | Guys, I'd like to configure proftpd to accept user login, only if user has corresponding certificate. Is there any way to do such weirdness? |
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| 17:12.34 | somiaj | zerick: correct that is default behavior. It only gives you a prompt if it has to do anything besides just install that one package. |
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| 17:13.08 | Sevet | chipotle: a lot of programs will work with either the older or newer version of a library, so you'll need to either select the one-by-one or upgrade everything |
| 17:13.51 | somiaj | chipotle: if you are on stable (Which you should be on a webserver) and only have offical stable repos, then upgrade will be all you need |
| 17:14.07 | zerick | somiaj: Ok, it's clear for me, thanks |
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| 17:15.02 | chipotle | somiaj well, i'm using dotdeb repos too... but yes, i'm on debian squeeze (stable)... |
| 17:15.04 | chipotle | so what do you suggest? |
| 17:15.04 | somiaj | chipotle: upgrade/dist-upgrade is based on the packages available in your sources.list. Why are you needing to upgrade a lot of libs on a 'web server'. You should be running stable and the only upgrades you need are security |
| 17:15.12 | xinming | babilen: I have my own kernel config which is especially created for thsi netbook. I'll use the 3.7 from experimental for now to fit my needs these days. Thanks |
| 17:15.14 | somiaj | chipotle: don't use dotdeb, that is known to break things. |
| 17:15.17 | somiaj | !dotdeb |
| 17:15.18 | dpkg | http://dotdeb.org/ is an unofficial package repository with emphasis on the <LAMP> solution stack, unsupported in #debian. To get support, read http://www.dotdeb.org/2012/08/24/how-to-post-useful-bug-reports/ and report any issues to https://github.com/gplessis/dotdeb-php5/issues . Ask me about <dotdeb alternatives>. |
| 17:16.12 | chipotle | somiaj oh, this server isn't using dotdeb |
| 17:16.14 | somiaj | chipotle: yes you do not want to upgrade everything to the dotdeb repos, in this case you will want to pin dotdeb so it is never considered in upgrades and you will have to explicity ask for any package you want from dotdeb |
| 17:16.25 | Serverket | yes |
| 17:16.25 | chipotle | my other server is, or was, but i stopped because nginx released an official repo |
| 17:16.27 | Serverket | I know |
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| 17:16.43 | chipotle | so in this case, i can do aptitude upgrade and i should be fine? just keep the config files as is? |
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| 17:16.55 | somiaj | chipotle: eitehr way upgrade is bassed off your sources.list and upgrades everything to the newest version. |
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| 17:17.13 | somiaj | chipotle: depending on how much you 'trust' nginx's squeeze repo, it is still unoffical. |
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| 17:17.27 | somiaj | chipotle: I would personally pin that one low so it isn't considered in upgrades. |
| 17:17.33 | Serverket | maybe I did say it wrong, Bleachbit taked all night cleaning, at 5am I woke up and then I turn it off, then (some hours ago) I came and found this |
| 17:17.35 | chipotle | somiaj this server doesn't have any unofficial repos |
| 17:17.43 | somiaj | (but if you trust they understand debian enough to actually make a sane repo, then yea just use it) |
| 17:17.53 | chipotle | just backports for a/v stuff, but i don't need that anymore, so i deleted the a/v packages i installed and commented out backports |
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| 17:18.14 | somiaj | chipotle: ahh I thought you said you switched because nginx released a repo, so thought you were using that one. (: |
| 17:18.25 | Serverket | I found rhythmbox was missing, and some other packages |
| 17:18.28 | Serverket | just gone |
| 17:18.28 | chipotle | somiaj no, that's for another server. sorry to be confusing |
| 17:18.40 | Vlat- | btw, I did not use linux since 2007. Are there any better ways to secure apache, than chroot ? |
| 17:18.42 | somiaj | chipotle: yea upgrade just gets the newest version of packages and installs them. On stable the newest version will only have security updates |
| 17:18.46 | Serverket | I'd not change repositories nor system configurations |
| 17:18.57 | somiaj | chipotle: so make sure you have security.debian.org repos, and upgrade regurally to keep the machine up to date on security patches. |
| 17:19.13 | Towzzer | chipotle is makking me burriot hungry |
| 17:19.13 | Serverket | and yes I'm loged as root |
| 17:19.54 | somiaj | Vlat-: chroot really isn't that secure. For the most part the security issues are more to deal with the content delievered, as apache is kept secure of remote exploits (when they are found). |
| 17:20.09 | chipotle | somiaj looks like there is a major change in mysql :/ |
| 17:20.13 | chipotle | hopefully it doesn't break anything |
| 17:20.23 | somiaj | chipotle: what do you mean by major change? There should be no major change on stable |
| 17:20.31 | somiaj | chipotle: if you have a major change you are either not running stable or have unoffical repos. |
| 17:20.37 | chipotle | somiaj some issue with oracle, i got a big warning when i did upgrade |
| 17:20.49 | babilen | xinming: Well, the kernel handbook also discusses how to change the configuration … |
| 17:20.52 | Vlat- | somiaj: I really don't want to run VM for every customer. Is there any better way to do apache isolation? |
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| 17:21.21 | Vlat- | somiaj: nginx isn't a chance, unfortunately |
| 17:22.04 | Serverket | someone could help me? |
| 17:22.28 | chipotle | somiaj see here, this looks to be a cc of what i got when i ran apt-get upgrade http://pastie.org/6335138 |
| 17:22.34 | somiaj | Vlat-: I think vhosts are fine, and I personally don't see a reason for chroot. Basically if someone can get root privlages they can break out of the chroot. So all the chroot does is 1) slightly limit what is availiable to users to break privlages (note they an just upload a binary to do this if there is an exploit) |
| 17:23.31 | somiaj | Vlat-: and 2) keep users from looking though config files and your system. But again it is the access you give users that is more important than the chroot. And just keep everything secure and limit suid applications and the likes -- things people cna use to esicalte their privlages. |
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| 17:24.46 | Vlat- | somiaj: thx for advice |
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| 17:26.13 | somiaj | chipotle: yea I don't run a webserver myself, so yea...looks like oracle won't give enough info for us to patch the version in squeeze so this is a rare case where debian was forced to do an upgrade. Read though it, make sure your databases don't fall into the incompadablity cases |
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| 17:27.00 | Vlat- | somiaj: I'm always afraid of users. Some moron upload buggy PHP code -> sql injection -> moron's credentials -> moron's shell -> exploit -> root access |
| 17:27.31 | Serverket | I need help |
| 17:27.32 | Serverket | please |
| 17:27.40 | somiaj | Vlat-: a good backup system that you can recover to any time and good log parsers that send you warnings I think is worth more your time than setting up chroots. |
| 17:27.41 | chipotle | somiaj it worked, thank you! |
| 17:28.00 | Vlat- | Serverket: go with it :) |
| 17:28.32 | Vlat- | somiaj: btw, is there any incremental backup system for linux nowadays? |
| 17:28.33 | somiaj | Vlat-: yea that is the worry, note on debian stable all known root exploits are fixed, so just limit the number of services you run and make sure you keep security upto date |
| 17:29.15 | Serverket | my system, I used bleachbit for cleaning all night, it worked fine and then I turn it off, then 5 hours later I've turn on the pc and I found rhythmbox disappeared and my menu bar lost configuration it had (show "suspend" instead "shutdown") |
| 17:29.24 | Serverket | and some other packages are missing |
| 17:29.25 | Vlat- | somiaj: not even limited, but wrote impossible iptables rules even. But, like any good administrator, I'm a bit of paranoid type :) |
| 17:29.30 | somiaj | Vlat-: I mainly have looked into using rsync and desiging one that fits your system. |
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| 17:30.01 | somiaj | Vlat-: I like mysql binary logs, with binary logs plus regular backups it makes recovering to a patiular time a lot easier. |
| 17:30.03 | Serverket | when system was loading it showed something like "clearing orphan..." |
| 17:30.24 | Serverket | it showed me a message like "clearing orphaned..."! |
| 17:30.50 | somiaj | Vlat-: yea, remote exploits are rare so if you can just keep your users off the system you have less to worry about. (: |
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| 17:31.03 | Vlat- | Serverket: well, 1) never trust any wizardy "cleaners" 2) reinstall missing packages. What a problem ? |
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| 17:31.43 | Serverket | it never happened before, how I know if its bleachbit fault? |
| 17:31.53 | Serverket | I've using it since almost a year |
| 17:32.32 | neon__ | badblocks seem to progress fast until it gets to a bad block and then it start to crawl. |
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| 17:33.03 | abrotman | Contingency: yes? |
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| 17:33.46 | Contingency | abrotman: nvm forgot now lol |
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| 17:34.00 | abrotman | Contingency: something related to yesterday? |
| 17:34.04 | Vlat- | Serverket: to answer this, we have to see a log |
| 17:34.22 | Contingency | abrotman: No it was something to do with debian |
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| 17:34.28 | abrotman | mkay |
| 17:34.29 | Contingency | I'll remember later most likely |
| 17:34.34 | somiaj | Vlat-: I think being able to recover from an exploit is more useful use of time then trying to prevent them. Sure do some basics and keep things ioslated as best you can, but there is always some new exploit you have to contend with. |
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| 17:35.45 | Vlat- | somiaj: absolutely agree, but also I'd like to secure the system, to minimise even a little intrusion |
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| 17:36.38 | somiaj | Vlat-: yea, I hear good things about the bsd jails, but unforntally chroots don't add much in terms of security and might not be an effective use of your time. |
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| 17:37.28 | Vlat- | somiaj: don't tell me about BSD, spent last 5 years with it. Cool thing, but damn, 4 (now 5) package/port updating systems is weird |
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| 17:39.23 | Vlat- | somiaj: most funny part was at 2010, when since a bug in mysql port - the whole database went down :) |
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| 17:40.26 | somiaj | Vlat-: it is always an uphill battle. |
| 17:41.29 | Vlat- | somiaj: good to see the understanding colleague :) |
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| 17:42.30 | Vlat- | somiaj: after BSD there was a Windows Server 2008 attempt, which is cool, seriously. But damn expensive to lease. |
| 17:42.43 | Vlat- | And now we're back to debian :) |
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| 17:45.58 | Serverket | how I make the log? |
| 17:46.04 | Nik05 | what log? |
| 17:46.15 | Serverket | from my issue |
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| 17:46.22 | Serverket | my system, I used bleachbit for cleaning all night, it worked fine and then I turn it off, then 5 hours later I've turn on the pc and I found rhythmbox disappeared and my menu bar lost configuration it had (show "suspend" instead "shutdown") |
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| 17:48.35 | deepy | Vlat-: NetBSD and your own pkgsrc packages. problem solved! |
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| 17:49.42 | mtn | Serverket: you just need to read the logs you were told about and figure out what caused the removel |
| 17:49.59 | Serverket | where? |
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| 17:50.01 | somiaj | Vlat-: one thing to think of now that you are back to debian. Wheezy (the next stable) should be released in the next few months (or maybe more). After that squeeze will only recive security support for a year. |
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| 17:50.37 | mtn | Serverket: where what? look at what folks asked you to paste and there is your answer? |
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| 17:50.45 | somiaj | Vlat-: Not sure how quickly you need these debian servers up, but depending on your time frame it might be useful to think about using wheezy so you get a longer life cycle. Only issue is waiting for it to be released so you get secuirty support. |
| 17:51.33 | somiaj | Vlat-: note you will of course be able to upgrade from squeeze to wheezy. And sine there is no release date yet on wheezy that was mearly just a comment as something to be prepared for in the next year (switching to wheezy from squeeze). |
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| 17:51.53 | Vlat- | somiaj: well, right now I use squeeze, and happy with it. But I'm always thinking forward, to harden my servers even more (transparently for users) |
| 17:52.09 | Serverket | I'd repond |
| 17:52.20 | Serverket | but not the last, the log they asked for |
| 17:52.34 | Serverket | the cli said "permission denied" |
| 17:52.40 | Serverket | even login as root |
| 17:52.45 | Serverket | even with sudo |
| 17:53.38 | mtn | Serverket: read the logs and see what removed your program. |
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| 17:54.02 | mtn | Serverket: in the long run you need to figure it out for yourself |
| 17:54.14 | Serverket | where? |
| 17:54.20 | Serverket | where I find the logs? |
| 17:54.30 | Serverket | -.-¿ |
| 17:54.34 | mtn | Serverket: /var/log for a start |
| 17:54.40 | Serverket | I feel so n00b |
| 17:54.46 | somiaj | Serverket: /var/log/dpkg or /var/log/apt (these are logs for apt/dpkg which is what installs/removes programs) |
| 17:55.12 | mtn | Serverket: or, quit using bleachbit and leave your system alone until you understand it better. |
| 17:55.14 | somiaj | opps seems it is /var/log/dpkg.log while for apt it is a dir, /var/log/apt/ |
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| 17:56.10 | Serverket | I try /var/log/dpkg and apt but I doesn't give me results |
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| 17:56.38 | mtn | shrugs and walks away |
| 17:56.55 | somiaj | Serverket: they are just files filled with logs, you need to use some program to read them |
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| 17:58.29 | Serverket | O____________O |
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| 17:58.36 | Serverket | whatta... |
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| 18:00.06 | Serverket | why the system executed this??? |
| 18:00.06 | Serverket | I didn't do this! |
| 18:00.06 | Serverket | look http://paste.debian.net/238110/ |
| 18:00.24 | Serverket | how I recover those packages??? |
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| 18:00.48 | somiaj | apt-get install them |
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| 18:01.03 | somiaj | note since they are auto-removed, you probabaly don't need them |
| 18:01.08 | Serverket | but whyy??? |
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| 18:01.13 | somiaj | again if you are using some third party program to manage your package, that is the culprit |
| 18:01.21 | Serverket | of course I do, why this happened? how??? |
| 18:01.28 | Serverket | I didn't aprove this |
| 18:02.24 | Serverket | but I didn't write that on the cli |
| 18:02.32 | Serverket | even I didn't open the cli on weeks |
| 18:02.53 | Serverket | I'm just using synaptic, no more |
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| 18:03.45 | digdilem | you don't need them. |
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| 18:04.00 | digdilem | synaptic is just calling apt-get and cleaning up |
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| 18:04.37 | Serverket | but I didn't open synaptic, at that hour I was sleeping, I had just leaved bleachbit working all night |
| 18:04.52 | Serverket | so synaptic does that automatically? |
| 18:04.57 | Serverket | without permission? |
| 18:05.19 | digdilem | it's generally a safe command. the programs that relied on those files were removed |
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| 18:05.33 | digdilem | maybe you have some cleanup script running, either way - why are you upset? |
| 18:05.43 | Serverket | in the other hand, how could the system think I don't need rhythmbox, I use it daily, It has no sense |
| 18:05.43 | rweitz | hello. i just did a base install of debian using the netinstall image. i do not have any graphical interface atm, as i could not connect to the internet during the netinstall. how do i install xfce4 and the graphical environment? will apt-get install xfce4 get all required packages? |
| 18:06.15 | Serverket | because everything! I liked my system just like it was |
| 18:06.16 | digdilem | just install rythmbox then - somehow apt-get's database had it marked as "installed but not needed" |
| 18:06.18 | Serverket | :( |
| 18:06.40 | Serverket | but how that script comes to my computer? |
| 18:06.40 | digdilem | if you want to reinstall that, just paste it and replace preceed the list of packages with "apt-get install " |
| 18:06.47 | Serverket | I didn't install that |
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| 18:07.05 | ChrisH | rweitz: it should |
| 18:07.14 | rweitz | ChrisH: okay. here goes |
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| 18:07.45 | digdilem | Serverket, actually, no - apt-get install won't work since it's got extra info in brackets and architecture |
| 18:07.52 | Serverket | why it made that by itself? why and how? |
| 18:08.15 | digdilem | dunno. check root's crontab and /etc/cron.* dirs to see if you can find an autoremove |
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| 18:09.15 | Serverket | really man I just leave bleachbit like I always do, it was working all night and then when it finished I turn the pc off, then I turn on and those packages are gone |
| 18:09.27 | Serverket | I just wonder why.. whyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy |
| 18:09.36 | Serverket | T_T |
| 18:09.37 | rweitz | ChrisH: thanks. it seems to be downloading a lot of packages. close to 200M. |
| 18:09.56 | ChrisH | rweitz: sounds like its complete |
| 18:09.57 | tjiggi_fo | Serverket, that "script" is called bleachbit. You gave bleachbit authority |
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| 18:10.14 | rweitz | ChrisH: nah. still 15-20 minutes to complete. on a slow connection. |
| 18:10.53 | Serverket | but bleachbit always cleaned just what it suposed to clean |
| 18:11.13 | Serverket | no less no more, just .thumb, cookies, temps |
| 18:11.15 | digdilem | oh yeah, i missed that. probably is bleachbit getting confused |
| 18:11.18 | Serverket | things lile that |
| 18:11.25 | tjiggi_fo | Serverket, always is over |
| 18:11.54 | digdilem | somehow apt's database marked those packages as redundant, and bleachbit did an autoremove and poof |
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| 18:12.51 | rweitz | bleachbit is what? a software to clean up your linux setup? |
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| 18:13.02 | somiaj | Serverket: I'm sure you did something that started this chain reaction. But you are increadibally unhelpful and aren't going to get any good help with your attitude. |
| 18:13.16 | KsM | "BleachBit is a free software disk space cleaner, privacy manager, and computer system optimizer." |
| 18:13.16 | somiaj | rweitz: apt-cache show bleacbit should help. Seems it cleans up cache files mostly. |
| 18:13.23 | Vlat- | Serverket: or rather better, files were obsolete by date. and bleachbit deleted them |
| 18:13.30 | rweitz | somiaj: hm, okay |
| 18:13.31 | Serverket | rweitz: yes |
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| 18:13.46 | rweitz | all i ever do is apt-get clean once a few weeks |
| 18:13.50 | digdilem | performing an autoremove would be within the "recovering lost disk space" remit |
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| 18:15.48 | Serverket | sorry I'm just so confuse, I really feel bad for these I considered my system always strong and liable |
| 18:16.10 | Vlat- | Serverket: all you have to do now, is to reinstall missing packages. And never ever use so lame stuff |
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| 18:16.44 | somiaj | I would suggest not using synamptic myself. It seems to have issues playing nicely with apt. Though if you only use it, it works okay. |
| 18:16.51 | Vlat- | and raise a pray, that it wasn't a production server :) |
| 18:16.57 | Serverket | but how do I delete those gbs of cookies and crap from internerd? |
| 18:17.26 | rweitz | if you use firefox, set the amount of disk usage to 50megs. from the unlimited one. |
| 18:17.27 | KsM | I really doubt you'd have "gbs" of cookies, ever |
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| 18:17.46 | Vlat- | Serverket: what browser do you use? |
| 18:17.47 | Serverket | almost |
| 18:17.50 | somiaj | you should be able to run that cleaning script as only your user. That way it will only have permissions to clean you $HOME keeping your cookies, cache clean. And let apt-get/dpkg manage the packages on your system |
| 18:17.53 | Serverket | plus temps |
| 18:18.00 | somiaj | for the most part $HOME should be the main place this data is pooling up on a desktop. |
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| 18:18.32 | somiaj | it could also be you didn't configure bleachbit correctly and it was doing some agressive cleaning. |
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| 18:20.49 | Vlat- | by the way |
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| 18:21.32 | rweitz | It has been such a long time since I installed clean onto a laptop, that everything is new :( |
| 18:21.42 | Serverket | I use Iceweasel |
| 18:21.46 | Vlat- | cookies nowadays are stored in sqlite db (at least firefox store them this way). to wipe out "gigabytes of cookies" it's enough to delete the only file |
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| 18:22.23 | Serverket | oh come on -.-¿ |
| 18:22.26 | rweitz | there's a setting in firefox/iceweasel, under advanced. to limit the disk usage. keep it to 50M. works fine. |
| 18:22.28 | Vlat- | however, after years of browsing that file is almost as little as 50mb |
| 18:22.34 | somiaj | I don't want to know what type of webbrowsing creates gigabytes of cookies...:D |
| 18:22.59 | Serverket | oh come on -.-¿ |
| 18:23.07 | rweitz | Serverket works for those "work from home clicking ads on 100000000 websites" linkfarms |
| 18:23.36 | Serverket | -.-¿ yeah yeah... ha-ha |
| 18:23.48 | Serverket | thanks guys |
| 18:24.06 | Serverket | I think is what somiaj said maybe |
| 18:24.16 | Serverket | and what almost everyone said |
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| 18:24.25 | Serverket | permissions |
| 18:24.36 | Serverket | those programs out of date |
| 18:24.44 | Serverket | autoclean |
| 18:24.56 | Serverket | I was sleeping |
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| 18:25.15 | Nik05 | Serverket: just install it back :P |
| 18:25.17 | rweitz | now that xfce4 is installed, how do i start X/xdm/gdm to login? |
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| 18:25.49 | Serverket | I will |
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| 18:26.11 | nkuttler | rweitz: installing xdm or gdm sounds like a plan |
| 18:26.31 | somiaj | rweitz: you could just run 'startx' to run X if that is all you are about. If you want a display manager install the display manager you want |
| 18:26.50 | rweitz | nkuttler: doesn't installing xfce4 install a *dm by default? |
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| 18:27.21 | somiaj | rweitz: if it isn't ran automatically when installed, or is already installed and not running, /etc/init.d/xdm start [will start it] Note check your logs to see if maybe it ran but errored out. |
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| 18:27.42 | rweitz | it probably installed, but it did not run after installing |
| 18:27.49 | rweitz | i just apt-get installed the xfce4 meta |
| 18:28.09 | jhutchins_wk | !xfce |
| 18:28.09 | dpkg | Xfce is a pretty nifty Desktop Environment. Lightweight, fast, compact. To install, ask me about <install xfce>. http://wiki.debian.org/Xfce http://wiki.xfce.org/faq http://www.xfce.org/ #xfce on irc.freenode.net. |
| 18:28.44 | die7 | xface is ugly and old |
| 18:29.22 | rweitz | okay, xdm getting installed |
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| 18:29.56 | Serverket | but it goes really fast |
| 18:30.10 | Serverket | I've tried with xfce for a while |
| 18:30.24 | rweitz | yay. installed. |
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| 18:30.36 | rweitz | though i need to find an alternative to xdm |
| 18:30.54 | Nik05 | why? |
| 18:31.01 | KsM | slim, gdm3, kdm |
| 18:31.02 | Nik05 | gdm3? |
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| 18:31.28 | KsM | lightdm too |
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| 18:31.34 | somiaj | !dm |
| 18:31.34 | dpkg | DM means Display Manager, the app that brings up a graphical login screen and starts your login session. <xdm>, <gdm>, <kdm>, <wdm>, pdm, login.app, <slim> and <lightdm> are all examples of display managers. Ask me about <nodm> if you want to disable the DM. Or Debian Maintainer: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianMaintainer . For the deb-multimedia repository, ask me about <dmm>. |
| 18:31.36 | rweitz | i tried gdm, but had no installation candidate |
| 18:31.48 | rweitz | xdm takes me back 15 years :/ |
| 18:31.52 | somiaj | rweitz: because it is gdm3 |
| 18:31.56 | rweitz | oh |
| 18:32.00 | rweitz | let me. try. |
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| 18:33.18 | rweitz | wha? i need 156M of packges to run gdm3? |
| 18:33.31 | Serverket | you can give xfce a touch of new with compiz |
| 18:33.34 | grzlwopf | someone familiar with cups? on wheezy, i can not print double sided on my hp lj 2200 (duplex unit included). The printer behaved like duplexing, i.e. pulling each page back in, but it stays empty and the actual bach side is printed on the next sheet. tried all offered drivers (gutenprint,lj4,lj5,postscript) always the same problem. any ideas? |
| 18:33.52 | grzlwopf | btw. on lenny it worked fine |
| 18:33.59 | denstark | lol @ bach side |
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| 18:34.16 | denstark | rweitz: it depends on a bunch of gnome3 stuff |
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| 18:34.33 | rweitz | denstark: yep, looks like it. i am first installing my essential packages. lyx! |
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| 18:34.48 | denstark | rweitz: i use lightdm, works well |
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| 18:35.36 | Serverket | grzlopf: check print setting tab on the HP device manager over sys-tray |
| 18:35.57 | Serverket | grzlwopf: check print setting tab on the HP device manager over sys-tray |
| 18:36.06 | Serverket | grzlwopf: check print settings tab on the HP device manager over sys-tray |
| 18:36.19 | somiaj | Serverket: no need to repeate yourself |
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| 18:36.34 | Serverket | sorry |
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| 18:38.03 | rweitz | Is there a line to add to the sources.list to download and install google chrome? |
| 18:38.07 | grzlwopf | Serverket: don't have hp device manager, I'm configuring on the cups-web-interface |
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| 18:38.57 | Serverket | oh, well, I usually use hp device manager to select things like "printing both sides" |
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| 18:39.14 | somiaj | rweitz: no, you can download a google-chrome package from google, but why not just use chromium (the open source part of google-chrome) |
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| 18:39.27 | denstark | rweitz: grab the.deb from google |
| 18:39.28 | somiaj | though it might be alled chromium-browser on squeeze |
| 18:39.51 | Serverket | google-chrome is based (they copied all and put patents) in chromium |
| 18:40.04 | rweitz | denstark: installed lightdm. looks excellent :) |
| 18:40.09 | denstark | rweitz: jawsome |
| 18:40.16 | Vlat- | guys, it's a lame question, but all locales were generated. so why?! erl: warning: Please check that your locale settings: |
| 18:40.17 | Vlat- | LANGUAGE = "en_US.UTF-8", |
| 18:40.18 | Vlat- | LC_ALL = (unset), |
| 18:40.18 | Vlat- | etc.. ? |
| 18:40.19 | Vlat- | 6.0 |
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| 18:40.29 | Serverket | Arora is a fast option |
| 18:40.34 | rweitz | somiaj: Can I use the standard chrome extensions on Google Chrome? |
| 18:40.38 | rweitz | er, on chromium? |
| 18:40.39 | Serverket | Iceweasel works great |
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| 18:41.13 | somiaj | rweitz: might depend on the version of chromium you have. |
| 18:41.22 | Serverket | like flash? yes, maybe you have to do a dynamic link for |
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| 18:41.49 | somiaj | rweitz: but google-chrome = chormium + google non-free stuff. The standard stuff like extensions should all work [again there may be some expections where the extensions requires a newer version of chromium than you have] |
| 18:42.02 | Spektral | hey i was chking out this: http://www.aldeid.com/wiki/OSSEC , was suggeted to me by someone who did security on dedis, anyways, i was gonna install on my vps, just wondering if anyone knew do i need to installl all 3 things server/agent/web user interface ? |
| 18:42.10 | rweitz | no, i want extensions like lastpass and adblock to work. dont have any need for flash. |
| 18:42.15 | Serverket | 3 years ago I use chromium, I can say it supports most of plugins |
| 18:42.15 | Serverket | even themes |
| 18:42.26 | somiaj | Vlat-: are you getting this warning in a chroot or something you created with debootstrap? |
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| 18:43.01 | Vlat- | somiaj: simple root login via ssh (didn't disabled root yet, since deploy phase) |
| 18:43.07 | rweitz | sounds good. let me install chromium |
| 18:43.38 | Vlat- | somiaj: echo "" | perl (or any stuff using perl) complains about it |
| 18:43.45 | somiaj | Vlat-: just double check, you have the locales packgae installed? |
| 18:43.47 | Serverket | well, try by firts with adblock, once before I tried but I said "you're not using chrome" on the market |
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| 18:44.11 | somiaj | Vlat-: I know with using debootstrap to make installs this package gets skipped and causes the issues |
| 18:44.22 | Vlat- | somiaj: locales is already the newest version. |
| 18:44.26 | Serverket | but then I could, don't remember how |
| 18:44.41 | somiaj | Vlat-: maybe they aren't getting set when root logs in |
| 18:44.58 | Vlat- | somiaj: hm, nice idea, will try with sudo, thx! |
| 18:45.04 | somiaj | Vlat-: two things to try. 1) su - another_user [do a full login and see if the enviorment gets set correctly] |
| 18:45.14 | somiaj | Vlat-: and 2) dpkg-reconfigure locales |
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| 18:45.32 | Vlat- | somiaj: 2) was already done, with _every_ locale generated |
| 18:45.50 | Vlat- | have to remove them though :) |
| 18:46.15 | somiaj | Vlat-: well if su - root or su - another user is still giving you the issue, seems like something is misconfigured with login(1) to set up your enviorment correctly. |
| 18:46.38 | somiaj | Vlat-: do you see anything fishy if you just type 'locale' or 'env' |
| 18:47.13 | Vlat- | LANGUAGE=en_US.UTF-8 (env) LANG=en_US.UTF-8 (locale) |
| 18:47.15 | somiaj | Vlat-: http://paste.debian.net/238119/ (The output of locale here if you wanted something to compare it to). I have a very basic setup |
| 18:47.33 | Vlat- | I never user LC_ALL collation |
| 18:47.55 | Vlat- | but every variable seems to be okay, en_US.UTF-8 |
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| 18:48.06 | Vlat- | s/user/use |
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| 18:48.39 | somiaj | is it only root that has this issue, or even if you do a full login(1) as another user do you get the same problem? |
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| 18:49.01 | bahamas | can anyone tell me why it's better to deploy web apps in /var/www/ rather than creating an user for each app and deploying the app in the user's HOME? |
| 18:49.16 | Vlat- | somiaj: su vladimir; echo ""|perl |
| 18:49.22 | Vlat- | somiaj: absolutely the same |
| 18:49.24 | somiaj | Vlat-: you are missing the dash |
| 18:49.28 | somiaj | Vlat-: su - vladimir |
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| 18:49.52 | somiaj | Vlat-: with out the - you don't do a full login(1) and are still using the same enviorment. |
| 18:50.00 | Serverket | I'm installing missing packages, will take care with bleachbit, thanks for helping me guys |
| 18:50.01 | Vlat- | somiaj: no probs with dash :)) thank you, now i know where to dig further |
| 18:50.04 | Serverket | have a good day... |
| 18:50.07 | Serverket | God bless you all. |
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| 18:50.24 | Vlat- | somiaj: probably some missing vars in root environment |
| 18:50.29 | rweitz | chromium works fine with the extensions i use. so its good :) |
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| 18:50.51 | Spektral | i had another quick question, i wanted to show my version info with ascript, i pulled this with cat from /etc/*release: PRETTY_NAME="Debian GNU/Linux 7.0 (wheezy)" how can i use like awk/sed/grep or a combo of them to remove the PRETTY_NAME="" so it just says the deb and ver and th rest?? |
| 18:50.52 | Spektral | ty |
| 18:50.53 | somiaj | rweitz: yea it would be a rare case where it wouldn't work. And mostly likey due to an older version in squeeze than is required. |
| 18:51.23 | somiaj | Spektral: use lsb_release script, I think it has a flag to give you just what you want |
| 18:52.43 | Vlat- | Spektral: why not just to use uname ? |
| 18:52.51 | somiaj | nevermind, you would still have to change that |
| 18:53.10 | somiaj | Spektral: might be worth asking, where do you want to print this info out to? |
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| 18:54.10 | rweitz | yep, i am happy as long as it works |
| 18:54.10 | rweitz | what is "cinnamon"? another gnome project? |
| 18:54.16 | Spektral | doesnt show the version number and debien and shit |
| 18:54.26 | Spektral | @ Vlat- |
| 18:54.27 | somiaj | Spektral: does 'lsb_release -d -s' give you what you want? |
| 18:55.16 | Vlat- | Spektral: uname -srvnm or what.. |
| 18:55.28 | Vlat- | these keys you want to be displayed |
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| 18:56.17 | Spektral | nah that does show Debian GNU/Linux 7.0 (wheezy) Vlat-, or any other combo of uname i tried |
| 18:56.34 | Spektral | and no it didnt somiaj |
| 18:56.44 | Vlat- | oot@astra ~ # uname -srnvmpio |
| 18:56.45 | Vlat- | Linux astra 2.6.32-5-amd64 #1 SMP Fri Feb 15 15:39:52 UTC 2013 x86_64 unknown unknown GNU/Linux |
| 18:57.31 | Spektral | yea shows most that but i want to display its debian ver num and the tag name |
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| 18:59.16 | Vlat- | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:59.24 | rweitz | laters, guys. late night here. |
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| 19:00.28 | D-Boy | Is there any CLI tool for converting AMR files to mp3 or ogg ? |
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| 19:01.31 | Alam_Squeeze | D-Boy: I normally use mplayer to play them out to a wav file, then convert them into MP3/OGG |
| 19:01.34 | Vlat- | D-Boy: you can build a pipeline using mplayer |
| 19:02.24 | D-Boy | Okey Mplayer is the way :), thx guys, i'm googling for it right now ^^ |
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| 19:05.17 | Vlat- | today came back to linux, and finally released his weird dream :) |
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| 19:06.19 | Vlat- | thanks to iptables - every suspicious activity in 22 and 80 ports is automatically being forwarded to fake server :) |
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| 19:09.35 | Pei | is there some kind of interactive grub setup? |
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| 19:10.08 | Vlat- | Pei: you mean GUI ? |
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| 19:10.24 | Pei | Vlat-: that, or a curses menu |
| 19:10.33 | Pei | like menuconfig for the kernel |
| 19:10.47 | mihaly | I am running debian unstable with the brand new mutliarch stuff... the removal of the good old -ia32 libs messed up my wine building capabilites. I have now installed libwine-unstable:i386 wine-bin-unstable:i386 and now seam to be able to run my wine-applications except that they are complaining and saying "Direct3D9 is not available without OpenGL" which packages am I missing!= |
| 19:10.49 | Pei | or hell even a line by line text mode |
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| 19:11.37 | Vlat- | Pei: well, grub-customiser for example |
| 19:12.18 | Pei | ah. |
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| 19:12.41 | Vlat- | customi_Z_er, sorry for typo |
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| 19:13.09 | Pei | thanks, Vlat- |
| 19:13.15 | Vlat- | Pei: you're welcome |
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| 19:14.31 | Pei | Vlat-: is that in a different package ? |
| 19:14.44 | Pei | cuz i don;t see the command installeed by default |
| 19:15.35 | Pei | or is that a gui thing |
| 19:15.44 | Vlat- | Pei: https://launchpad.net/grub-customizer |
| 19:16.29 | Vlat- | mihaly: nvidia-glx-ia32, libgl1-nvidia-glx-ia32 - try to install them |
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| 19:20.52 | bahamas | so, can anyone tell me why it's preferred to put web apps in /var/www/ over creating a user and putting the app in the user's HOME? |
| 19:21.05 | Pei | so there's no curses-type configuration menu like lilo has (liloconfig) ? |
| 19:21.19 | denstark | is lilo still usable? |
| 19:21.24 | denstark | i haven't seen it used in like 10 years |
| 19:21.53 | jelly-home | denstark: sure, given the support filesystem platform |
| 19:22.18 | Pei | slackware uses lilo |
| 19:22.31 | denstark | cool! i just haven't seen it myself, nor seen it be a default for a distro |
| 19:22.52 | Pei | slackware uses lilo as default |
| 19:22.58 | Vlat- | bahamas: it's only the ideology |
| 19:23.06 | denstark | Pei: i saw :) |
| 19:23.16 | Pei | denstark; :) |
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| 19:27.15 | bahamas | Vlat-: so there aren't any strong arguments for this choice, security-wise or otherwise |
| 19:27.44 | Vlat- | bahamas: in fact - not :) |
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| 19:30.55 | bahamas | Vlat-: good to know. |
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| 19:31.29 | Vlat- | bahamas: I use symlinks, just to not break debian ideology |
| 19:31.30 | corello | there are problems on debian servers? |
| 19:31.44 | corello | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:32.06 | Vlat- | corello: I can |
| 19:32.49 | corello | :( |
| 19:32.59 | bahamas | Vlat-: so you make an user for each app? having an user for every app is convenint because I postgres with ident-based authentication |
| 19:33.40 | Vlat- | bahamas: in fact, i do, but without any shell permissions |
| 19:34.08 | Vlat- | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:34.52 | jimcooncat | corello: need a mirror near you? |
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| 19:36.08 | Vlat- | bahamas: i prefer the old-skool way |
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| 19:36.51 | Vlat- | bahamas: server per task. So I have dedicated server for corporate mail, dedicated machine for web, dedicated for LDAP, and so on |
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| 19:37.16 | bahamas | Vlat-: I'm not familiar with the old-skool way. I'm still discovering this stuff. if the user doesn't have shell permissions, how can you use it? |
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| 19:37.47 | bahamas | Vlat-: yes, that makes sense. my case is more about individual user, let's say, who hosts several web apps on the same machine |
| 19:38.04 | Vlat- | bahamas: you have to separate "user" and "process" definition. Process can be engaged even w/o shell |
| 19:38.57 | Vlat- | bahamas: so it's nothing wrong if you have tens of users serving just apache, postfix, proftpd, etcÂ… , but without even home directory |
| 19:39.18 | neon__ | are UIDs of partitions written at the partition table? |
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| 19:40.03 | Vlat- | neon__: partition table is a chunk of data at early sectors of HDD. You're talking about filesystem |
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| 19:40.17 | Vlat- | neon__: and yes, they're stored in |
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| 19:40.37 | neon__ | in what? |
| 19:40.41 | Vlat- | in filesystem, but not PT |
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| 19:40.51 | neon__ | ah |
| 19:41.08 | hlieberman | Is there some document that describes kernel update timelines kicking around on d.o somewhere? I see a fairly newish kernel in exp, but we seem to have 3.2 still in sid. |
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| 19:42.01 | alexfun | hey folks |
| 19:42.13 | alexfun | whats the easiest way to set sftp user |
| 19:42.17 | Vlat- | neon__: partition table only describes where partition starts, where ends, and if it bootable. but nothing more |
| 19:42.23 | alexfun | I done it however yet to be able to connect |
| 19:42.37 | alexfun | I got Subsystem sftp /usr/lib/openssh/sftp-server |
| 19:42.45 | alexfun | and open ssh installed |
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| 19:43.00 | alexfun | I mean open sftp |
| 19:43.07 | msl09 | hi |
| 19:43.13 | alexfun | hi |
| 19:43.21 | Vlat- | neon__: don't be confused with GUID partitioning, that scheme has nothing command with UID :)) |
| 19:43.33 | Vlat- | *common |
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| 19:43.54 | alexfun | lol |
| 19:43.54 | msl09 | is anybody else getting some "ftp.us.debian.org_debian_dists_wheezy_main_binary-i386_Packages Hash Sum mismatch" during a apt-get update? |
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| 19:44.01 | Vlat- | damed Colloque think it's more clever that me :) |
| 19:44.01 | jimcooncat | alexfun, you should not have to do anything special with things marked sftp. You need the ssh server running and a user account, that's all. |
| 19:44.02 | alexfun | I think sftp should be simple |
| 19:44.15 | alexfun | jimcooncat: ok yet it wont work |
| 19:44.21 | bahamas | Vlat-: there's something that's not clear. when deploying a new version of the app, which user do you use? normally, I would use the user specific to that app. |
| 19:44.34 | alexfun | says socket erro |
| 19:44.36 | alexfun | error |
| 19:44.39 | Vlat- | bahamas: well, why just not use apt ? |
| 19:44.46 | jimcooncat | alexfun: you want help with this? |
| 19:44.49 | Vlat- | bahamas: apt-get install <application> |
| 19:44.51 | alexfun | yes |
| 19:44.56 | alexfun | I used usermod -s /usr/lib/sftp-server webdev |
| 19:45.11 | jimcooncat | why |
| 19:45.24 | alexfun | and I added /usr/lib/stfp-server to shells file in ect |
| 19:45.36 | jimcooncat | again, why? |
| 19:45.37 | hlieberman | msl09, Sounds like whatever the closest mirror to you is has some issues. |
| 19:45.46 | alexfun | to restrict user to sftp only |
| 19:45.54 | alexfun | as per howto advice |
| 19:46.08 | Vlat- | bahamas: you deploy any app as root, but application will run as user was written in configuration |
| 19:46.23 | hlieberman | msl09, I'd try waiting about an hour or so and see if it solves itself. If not, you could try pointing temporarily to a different mirror. |
| 19:46.29 | alexfun | jimcooncat: whats the mistake? |
| 19:46.43 | msl09 | hmmm |
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| 19:46.55 | alexfun | 8-) |
| 19:47.02 | jimcooncat | never seen it done that way, I doubt stfp-server is any kind of shell |
| 19:47.11 | alexfun | http://www.esscotti.com/resources/articles/41-general/106-setting-up-a-user-with-restricted-sftp-access |
| 19:47.13 | Vlat- | bahamas: every application has it own configuration scheme (and that's weird), but try to avoid to run daemons as root. Generally it's a very bad idea. |
| 19:47.26 | alexfun | jimcooncat: ok then what do you suggest? |
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| 19:48.05 | Vlat- | bahamas: but if you deploy application as root - that doesn't mean, it will run as root :) |
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| 19:48.26 | bahamas | Vlat-: I use a python-specific tool called fabric |
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| 19:48.36 | msl09 | hlieberman, but since the file is ftp.us.debian.org* shouldn't it mean that I'm fetching from the official repository? |
| 19:48.44 | joe0x7 | hi, debian 6.0.4 installer (netinstall) could not find an installer cdrom. when trying to mount it manually from iso image (mount -o loop,ro), it starts to create /dev/loopX devices, where X = 1 .. infinity :) |
| 19:49.13 | Vlat- | bahamas: fabric will room with python privileges |
| 19:49.14 | bahamas | Vlat-: ok. I understand what you mean and it's good that you made the distinction between deploying as root and running as root |
| 19:49.17 | joe0x7 | unfortunately, there's no losetup.. |
| 19:49.26 | alexfun | guys could it be that becouse user got no ssh access |
| 19:49.26 | jimcooncat | alexfun, first undo what you've done. Then do a simple setup with just ssh and a user account. Once you have that set up, restrict the user with rssh. Also consider using public keys so your ssh server isn't prone to attack. |
| 19:49.29 | alexfun | he cant use sftp |
| 19:49.38 | Vlat- | bahamas: and python will run with privileges of user started the interpreter |
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| 19:49.57 | alexfun | jimcooncat: I use public key for root |
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| 19:50.06 | alexfun | however soft I use dont support public key |
| 19:50.15 | bahamas | Vlat-: ok, things are a bit clearer. thanks for the discussion |
| 19:50.17 | alexfun | its a specific ecommerce soft that uses sftp |
| 19:50.22 | jimcooncat | alexfun: sftp is not a separate server. It's merely a protocol for transferring files with the ssh daemon. |
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| 19:50.45 | joe0x7 | .. does someone know what this bug could be caused by and how it can be fixed? |
| 19:50.51 | Vlat- | bahamas: you're always welcome. you're free to ask any time :) |
| 19:50.52 | alexfun | now I started to realise that |
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| 19:51.14 | alexfun | extension of the Secure Shell protocol (SSH) version 2.0 to provide secure file transfer capability, |
| 19:51.15 | bahamas | Vlat-: much appreciated |
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| 19:52.47 | jimcooncat | alexfun: so back to basics. You have a user account set up, and sshd running? |
| 19:53.01 | Vlat- | bahamas: be warned. python running as user XYZ never can change user ABC files. so always keep an eye at user rights |
| 19:53.17 | Vlat- | telling as python programmer :) |
| 19:53.25 | hlieberman | msl09, Yes, but that mirror can have problems too! :) |
| 19:53.55 | alexfun | jimcooncat: is there somehowto on it? |
| 19:54.06 | msl09 | hlieberman, ah ok. Thanks! |
| 19:54.16 | alexfun | thing is I want user to be able to write new dir and files |
| 19:54.28 | jimcooncat | alexfun: http://wiki.debian.org/SSH |
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| 19:54.44 | alexfun | rawrrr |
| 19:54.50 | alexfun | thats not exactly howto |
| 19:54.53 | alexfun | yet its something |
| 19:54.53 | alexfun | :D |
| 19:54.55 | alexfun | ty |
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| 19:55.17 | neon__ | how do I kill a hanged badblocks process? I already kill -9 and it still run/hunged |
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| 19:55.34 | jimcooncat | alexfun: there's not much to setting up a ssh daemon |
| 19:55.35 | abrotman | you should probably get a new HDD |
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| 19:56.04 | Vlat- | neon__: you can't kill zombie |
| 19:56.13 | Vlat- | neon__: but you can kill parent process |
| 19:56.31 | neon__ | Vlat-, bash? |
| 19:56.47 | Vlat- | ps ax and find parent |
| 19:56.52 | Vlat- | then kill -9 |
| 19:57.02 | bahamas | Vlat-: yup. that applies to any process though, no? |
| 19:57.23 | Vlat- | if you're lucky, and child process still can react to SIGTERM - it will be kiiled |
| 19:57.31 | Vlat- | if not - you will have to reboot |
| 19:58.01 | Vlat- | bahamas: yes, it's the ideology of unices |
| 19:58.06 | abrotman | only if you really need the process killed |
| 19:58.18 | neon__ | Vlat-, ps ax don't show parent |
| 19:58.40 | abrotman | neon__: ps -ef |
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| 19:59.01 | neon__ | it died at last |
| 19:59.15 | neon__ | I guess it took it a lot of time to catch the kill |
| 19:59.24 | Vlat- | neon__: ps auxw, if i remember right |
| 19:59.25 | abrotman | probably waiting for IO |
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| 20:01.35 | Vlat- | neon__: however, if abrotman is right, process will terminate by timeout |
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| 20:01.47 | neon__ | probably. Something is wrong with this HD. It get hang on some places. But I found about 100GB that badblock runs through smoothly. I plan to make a partition out of that |
| 20:02.13 | Vlat- | neon__: what smartctl says ? |
| 20:02.18 | abrotman | if it has badblocks, obviously something is wrong |
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| 20:02.51 | dondelelcaro | neon__: is this a relatively modern hard drive? |
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| 20:02.54 | neon__ | smartctl say manythings. I'll pastebin |
| 20:03.02 | hlieberman | neon__, Hard drives exhibit near-exponential decay. Keep that in mind. |
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| 20:03.08 | Nik05 | smartctl will not always report bad blocks |
| 20:03.09 | zophy | test |
| 20:03.10 | hlieberman | Once a drive starts failing, it will very quickly fail completely. |
| 20:03.20 | Nik05 | do a scan of your hole disk |
| 20:03.35 | Vlat- | rather buy a new one |
| 20:03.42 | Nik05 | yep :P |
| 20:03.48 | Vlat- | they're as cheap nowadays as a chicken sh*t |
| 20:03.51 | SSigSeg | yeah for $129 you can get a 3TB WD |
| 20:04.15 | Nik05 | and its an excuse to buy a SSD :) |
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| 20:04.26 | neon__ | smart say: http://paste.debian.net/238132/ |
| 20:04.42 | hlieberman | Yeah, that drive is toast. |
| 20:04.48 | hlieberman | The reallocated sector count is too high. |
| 20:05.13 | Vlat- | neon__: HDD seems to be okay |
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| 20:05.48 | hlieberman | I disagree, Vlat-. The reallocated sector count and the current pending sector count indicate a failing drive to me. |
| 20:05.51 | abrotman | that's cute |
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| 20:05.59 | neon__ | I tried to use sg_reassign, but it said reassign not supported |
| 20:06.01 | hlieberman | It's also had several errors. |
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| 20:06.09 | abrotman | neon__: get a new drive |
| 20:06.18 | phoohb | Hello folks. My internet -access doesnt configure correctly, need to type "ifdown -a && ifup -a" or "dhcpclient eth1" afer every reboot. Question, where to send the bugreport??? |
| 20:06.19 | hlieberman | And the drive has 2000 hours on it. Get a new drive. |
| 20:06.21 | dondelelcaro | neon__: yeah, that drive is toast |
| 20:06.32 | dondelelcaro | neon__: back it up as soon as you can, and move on with life. |
| 20:06.37 | abrotman | phoohb: pastebin hyour interfaces file |
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| 20:07.16 | neon__ | why don't it reallocate and stuff. There are about 100GB that still work |
| 20:07.17 | Vlat- | hlieberman: I always keep eye at 0x1 parameter |
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| 20:07.42 | abrotman | neon__: at this moment there is, tomorrow, might be 50GB |
| 20:07.56 | SSigSeg | that's like saying "why do i need to clean my underwear? if i turn them inside out i'll be good for another couple days... |
| 20:07.58 | phoohb | abrotman: http://pastebin.com/nCnxU1Mv |
| 20:08.46 | Vlat- | however, there's SMART test for HDD via smartctl |
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| 20:09.06 | neon__ | can I make it fix itself? |
| 20:09.06 | abrotman | phoohb: can you put that on paste.debian.net please? |
| 20:09.15 | hyppias | can I install Bastille like any package? |
| 20:09.16 | Vlat- | smartctl -t short /dev/<drive> |
| 20:09.34 | abrotman | hyppias: it has a lot of docs, be careful with it |
| 20:09.45 | Vlat- | it will predict a lifetime of your hdd :)) +- 100 years |
| 20:10.11 | phoohb | dono if I maybe have an old dhcp -client thing.. |
| 20:10.18 | phoohb | abrotman: http://paste.debian.net/238133/ |
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| 20:10.43 | hyppias | on my wheezy, iptables is not installed by default. It seems to be include by other packs, like Bastille... |
| 20:10.50 | abrotman | phoohb: choose one of auto or allow-hotplug .. i'd choose the latter |
| 20:10.54 | hyppias | any other suggestions? |
| 20:11.13 | Vlat- | neon__: however, if your HDD is starting to fail - it's a good idea to buy a new one |
| 20:11.21 | abrotman | hyppias: it's in the iptables package |
| 20:11.40 | phoohb | abrotman: okey, I test that, thx. bye 4 now |
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| 20:12.21 | hyppias | how do i start iptables? it is not a service... |
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| 20:13.10 | Vlat- | hybridark: in fact, you have to write your own iptables script |
| 20:13.12 | ksk | is it a remote box? better read some more if you have to ask this, or you lock yourself out |
| 20:13.16 | Vlat- | sorry |
| 20:13.25 | Vlat- | hyppias: in fact, you have to write your own iptables script |
| 20:13.57 | abrotman | hyppias: read the README in /usr/share/doc/iptables/ IIRC |
| 20:14.08 | hyppias | ok |
| 20:14.43 | Vlat- | hyppias: http://pastebin.com/TTEXAFkC you can use my template, but it was commented in russian |
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| 20:15.24 | Vlat- | hm, as I see, i translated it :) |
| 20:15.47 | hyppias | Vlat thnx. |
| 20:16.03 | Vlat- | you're welcome, but be aware with SSH stanza |
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| 20:16.10 | Vlat- | i use custom port |
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| 20:18.41 | bahamas | hyppias: there are some iptables tutorials around. even the one in the linode library is good or the one on linux.org |
| 20:18.54 | fnmueller | 1380 vs 559 |
| 20:19.32 | Vlat- | btw, colleagues. Is there any worth to limit outgoing connections via iptables ? |
| 20:19.42 | jhutchins_wk | hyppias: http://tldp.org/HOWTO/IP-Masquerade-HOWTO/ |
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| 20:20.06 | jhutchins_wk | Vlat-: Not on a normal network. Very large public ones maybe. |
| 20:20.19 | Vlat- | jhutchins_wk: for security reasons. |
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| 20:21.28 | Vlat- | I suppose, if ugly hacker gained root to deploy a hack ware, there's only keystroke to him, to reset all firewall rules |
| 20:22.06 | jelly-home | Vlat-: sure, it might be worth it, but you're entering the place where security starts to have an effect on usability |
| 20:22.15 | KsM | does it necessarily have tyo be an ugly hacker? |
| 20:22.22 | KsM | s/tyo/to/ |
| 20:22.25 | jelly-home | she could be pretty |
| 20:22.32 | jelly-home | doesn't matter either way |
| 20:23.09 | ChibaPet | Hey, I've got what feels like a noob question. How is it that things which run unprivileged can authenticate with PAM against the shadow database, which should be inaccessible? |
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| 20:23.40 | jelly-home | ChibaPet: in general, they can't |
| 20:23.56 | jimcooncat | ChibaPet: I'd be interested in an example |
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| 20:24.07 | jelly-home | the pam bit is usually done right before the privileges are dropped |
| 20:24.13 | ChibaPet | I'm thinking about xscreensaver particularly, here. It's not suid root, but it clearly authenticates me when unlocking. |
| 20:24.57 | alexfun | jimcooncat: I done it |
| 20:25.01 | alexfun | access refused |
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| 20:25.23 | alexfun | I edited /etc/rssh.conf |
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| 20:25.27 | alexfun | to allow sftp |
| 20:25.50 | alexfun | I made user and used usermod -s /usr/bin/rssh |
| 20:25.54 | jimcooncat | alexfun, did you log in with your user prior to trying to restrict him with rssh? |
| 20:25.59 | alexfun | no |
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| 20:26.21 | alexfun | why would I? |
| 20:26.32 | jimcooncat | just to see if that much worked first |
| 20:26.42 | alexfun | I see |
| 20:26.44 | Vlat- | ChibaPet: well, that mean X has entity in /etc/pam.d/login |
| 20:26.50 | jimcooncat | narrow down the cause of the problem, you know |
| 20:26.52 | alexfun | well I just used useradd |
| 20:26.54 | alexfun | passwd |
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| 20:27.28 | Vlat- | since screen saver was being run at X credentials |
| 20:28.09 | ChibaPet | Vlat-: I'm not seeing anything obvious in /etc/pam.d/login. |
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| 20:28.44 | ChibaPet | There's an /etc/pam.d/xscreensaver with some basic stuff. If I tell it, for instance, to require motp, it yells that it doesn't have access to the users file - but that shouldn't be any more restricted than /etc/shadow. |
| 20:30.34 | alexfun | jimcooncat: oo I seee |
| 20:30.36 | ChibaPet | I'm not seeing in /etc/pam.d/login where X is treated specially, nor am I sure how xscreensaver is distinct from any other processes. |
| 20:30.39 | alexfun | users work fine |
| 20:30.48 | alexfun | however I set ssh to custom port |
| 20:30.54 | Vlat- | ChibaPet: hm, but logically i have to suppose, that something X-ish is root-able |
| 20:31.15 | alexfun | frck |
| 20:31.16 | alexfun | :D |
| 20:31.18 | alexfun | well ok |
| 20:31.32 | ChibaPet | Vlat-: The binary is mode 0755, and I'm running it as my own user, rather than having it started by anything else, and at no point do I do anything to give it root privs. |
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| 20:31.54 | alexfun | guys |
| 20:32.21 | alexfun | is my ssh is running on custom port do I have to change umask in rssh conf? |
| 20:32.32 | ChibaPet | Vlat-: Shadow is 0640 and root.shadow, but the shadow group is empty. |
| 20:32.42 | jelly-home | ChibaPet: I have no idea how xscreensaver works in this regard, neither am I any smarter after reading the manual |
| 20:33.14 | somiaj | Spektral: are ya sure, 'lsb_release -d -s' -> 'Debian GNU/Linux 7.0 (wheezy)' that is the output which was excatly what you said you wanted to parse out of the /etc file |
| 20:33.23 | ChibaPet | jelly-home: This seems like it shouldn't be anything specific to xscreensaver, though - ought to be something generally related to PAM, but I'm not turning anything up yet. |
| 20:33.56 | Vlat- | ChibaPet: what does say netstat -npl ? |
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| 20:34.06 | gearaholic | is there a compelling reason to upgrade the kernel on a VPS? I use to use Linode and they installed debian with a custom 3.x kernel, I switched to a new provider and debian installs with the stock 2.6 kernel. |
| 20:34.13 | Vlat- | ChibaPet: maybe they're communicate via sockets? |
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| 20:35.09 | somiaj | gearaholic: The main difference is gonna be in terms of hardware and the setup of the datacenter. |
| 20:35.17 | ChibaPet | Vlat-: It's definitely using PAM, not a socket. It links in limpam.so.0 |
| 20:35.23 | alexfun | lol |
| 20:35.24 | somiaj | gearaholic: you shouldn't see much difference in userland, such as running a webserver, etc |
| 20:35.28 | alexfun | who here uses rssh? |
| 20:35.31 | alexfun | and open ssh? |
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| 20:35.49 | jelly-home | ChibaPet: consider that pam is basically implemented as dynamically loadable libraries in the same process, not gaining any extra permissions |
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| 20:35.52 | ChibaPet | Vlat-: It has a socket open, but I believe that's for local commands. |
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| 20:36.21 | ChibaPet | jelly-home: Yes, that's what's baffling in this case, where the process is run by an unpriv'd user that ought not to be able to read shadow and hence shouldn't be able to authenticate against it. |
| 20:36.39 | gearaholic | somiaj: thats what i thought. I'm switching from ubuntu also. Part of me wants the new and shiny stuff but the better half wants stability |
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| 20:38.23 | Vlat- | ChibaPet: a! got it! probably you have default graphical login |
| 20:38.57 | jelly-home | ChibaPet: I guess there's some setuid helper or similar in the play. If xscreensaver process is straced by me while running, it can't unlock (not even the correct password works) |
| 20:38.58 | Vlat- | ChibaPet: it run with GDM rights, and also it expose screensaver |
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| 20:39.01 | rryoumaa | does debian installer write to bios or anything like that? |
| 20:39.05 | ChibaPet | Vlat-: I'm running LightDM, and that's launching things out of my .xsession, but in this case I'm launching xscreensaver by hand after the fact. |
| 20:39.24 | somiaj | rryoumaa: write to bios? No the debian installer just installs to the disk you choose. |
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| 20:39.44 | ChibaPet | jelly-home: Weird, I wonder what's happening with my launch then. I'll try strace here. |
| 20:40.00 | alexfun | fcl flc |
| 20:40.01 | alexfun | :D |
| 20:40.03 | ChibaPet | (I'd looked for ktrace and truss and gave up, not thinking "strace" at any point.) |
| 20:40.22 | jhutchins_wk | Vlat-: Not on a normal network. Very large public ones maybe. |
| 20:40.22 | rryoumaa | ok, i had keyboard not getting recognized, then tried a bunch of things, then finally it seemed to do something, but just hung, and now the machine does not even boot from the hard drive any more. just blinking underscore. |
| 20:40.28 | Vlat- | ChibaPet: you're even more paranoid than me, and it's cool! :) can you trace what user screensaver runs ? |
| 20:40.30 | jelly-home | ChibaPet: 8628 execve("/sbin/unix_chkpwd", ["/sbin/unix_chkpwd", "jelly", "nullok"], [/* 0 vars */]) = 0 |
| 20:40.33 | rryoumaa | thought perhaps bios corrupted or something |
| 20:41.05 | jelly-home | and voila, it's a setgid shadow. |
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| 20:41.41 | Vlat- | hate X11, and as I see - it's good :) |
| 20:41.42 | jelly-home | ChibaPet: truss? You're a long way from a proper unix! |
| 20:42.05 | alexfun | guys I use sftp and for some reason it tried to use 22 while ssh set to another port |
| 20:42.16 | alexfun | i thought it should pick up auto |
| 20:42.16 | jelly-home | I can see how one could get confused, seeing as PAM was stole^H^H^H^H^Hreimplemented from Solaris |
| 20:42.17 | ChibaPet | jelly-home: Where is this setgid arising? |
| 20:42.23 | alexfun | is it due to rssh? |
| 20:42.39 | ChibaPet | oh! |
| 20:42.41 | ChibaPet | duh |
| 20:42.42 | ChibaPet | sorry |
| 20:43.21 | ChibaPet | Hm. Interesting. So, I guess what I need now is to shim in an equivalent for the Mobile-OTP users file. |
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| 20:44.54 | Vlat- | btw, I'd like to ask a question for paranoid guys like me. What's a best way to isolate apache nowadays? |
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| 20:45.12 | jelly-home | ChibaPet: OTP? I'd used S/Key a few years back, I guess you can look at what pam_opie does |
| 20:45.16 | Vlat- | chroot was cool, but obsolete |
| 20:45.21 | deepy | Vlat-: give it an useraccount of its own |
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| 20:45.34 | Vlat- | deepy: too simple |
| 20:45.40 | jhutchins_wk | deepy: That's the default. |
| 20:45.44 | uberushaximus | what's wrong with a chroot? |
| 20:45.50 | Technodrome | i hate to be a sucker, but has anyone here got oracle database to work with debian? |
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| 20:45.56 | deepy | jhutchins_wk: yes, and what is the problem with it? |
| 20:45.57 | Technodrome | its only default in rpm's |
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| 20:46.18 | c4nuck | any of you guys know how to manage an iphone 4s in linux ? |
| 20:46.20 | jelly-home | Technodrome: hosting oracle on debian, or using the client on debian? |
| 20:46.36 | Technodrome | hosting |
| 20:46.41 | Technodrome | just trying to get the free xe version working |
| 20:46.53 | Technodrome | and i just can't deal with centos, and i'm having issues there blah |
| 20:46.56 | uberushaximus | c4nuck: http://www.libimobiledevice.org/ |
| 20:47.17 | jelly-home | Technodrome: I've seen it done, but if you can't even make it work on the supported platform... |
| 20:47.51 | jhutchins_wk | Technodrome: http://lmgtfy.com/?q=oracle+on+debian |
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| 20:48.15 | Technodrome | i feel like i'm being stupid by doing it though |
| 20:48.23 | Technodrome | like i'm seriously having stupid issues with it on centos |
| 20:48.37 | jhutchins_wk | Technodrome: http://wiki.debian.org/DataBase/Oracle |
| 20:48.51 | Technodrome | i've been using solaris for so long, i've forgot so much of linux |
| 20:48.59 | Technodrome | like i have to google to even figure out how to resize a partition |
| 20:49.00 | Technodrome | its nuts |
| 20:49.23 | Forced | I'm the same way with solaris :( |
| 20:49.29 | Technodrome | its demoralizing me |
| 20:49.31 | Vlat- | Technodrome: what's a _problem_ ? |
| 20:49.34 | Forced | same |
| 20:49.37 | Forced | awful |
| 20:49.43 | digdilem | nowt wrong with googling for answers. 90% of being a sysadmin is just knowing the right questions to ask |
| 20:49.52 | phoohb | abrotman: (il figured it out... I had something called NetworkManager - that is supposed to handle networking as magick... Il just forgot I installed it) |
| 20:49.54 | Forced | No doubt, but t' |
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| 20:50.07 | jhutchins_wk | +digdilem! |
| 20:50.11 | Technodrome | and debian is my best os |
| 20:50.23 | Technodrome | i'm over here having to go through centos configs n stuff |
| 20:50.26 | Vlat- | Technodrome: I wrote some years ago install how to for lenny: http://rascal.su/blog/2010/10/07/óñòà Ãîâêà -oracle-11-r2-Ãà -debian-lenny/ |
| 20:50.27 | somiaj | Technodrome: yea no biggy there, changing a partition is the same idea no matter the os. After that it is just a matter of looking up the tools available. (: |
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| 20:50.41 | neon__ | is there something like dd with an option to skip blocks in case of io errors? |
| 20:50.50 | Technodrome | well right now, I'm actually running it in a vm, so I'm fighting with virtual box to |
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| 20:51.10 | jhutchins_wk | neon__: What's the objective? |
| 20:51.16 | Technodrome | .su == soviet union Vlat- ? |
| 20:51.26 | neon__ | jhutchins_wk, copy whatever data exist |
| 20:51.30 | Vlat- | Technodrome: South Ural :) |
| 20:51.35 | jhutchins_wk | neon__: rsync? |
| 20:51.48 | neon__ | jhutchins_wk, I don't know |
| 20:52.22 | jhutchins_wk | neon__: We can't really know what you mean by "like dd". dd has specific advantages and applications, that's why it exists. |
| 20:52.24 | Technodrome | Vlat-: .su + a bunch of cyrillic characters!, you're scaring me! |
| 20:52.43 | Forced | lol I have an .su domain :) |
| 20:52.45 | hyppias | I have a text file with parameter/value combination, eauch on a line: "speed 345.4". |
| 20:52.54 | Vlat- | Technodrome: well, perform it step-by-step, and have a profit :) |
| 20:53.07 | Technodrome | if it matters, your link 404'd :) |
| 20:53.08 | hyppias | how can I get that value to print on the console, if I want to see the sppeed |
| 20:53.11 | neon__ | jhutchins_wk, like dd copy a partition to a file |
| 20:53.12 | abrotman | phoohb: heh, okay |
| 20:53.20 | Towzzer | technodrome, that's sheddar's lair isn't it? |
| 20:53.26 | Towzzer | shredder* |
| 20:53.30 | Technodrome | yep |
| 20:53.45 | jhutchins_wk | neon__: partimage? Clonezilla? |
| 20:53.46 | Technodrome | i have an actual one sitting at work Towzzer |
| 20:53.46 | ompaul | neon__: you might want to check out ddrescue m a y b e |
| 20:53.52 | hyppias | I have a text file with parameter/value combination, eauch on a line: "speed 345.4". |
| 20:53.53 | Technodrome | believe it or not, its the highlight of the work place |
| 20:53.59 | hyppias | I have a text file with parameter/value combination, eauch on a line: "speed 345.4". |
| 20:54.03 | hyppias | sorry.. |
| 20:54.09 | jhutchins_wk | neon__: Or photorec if the disk is damaged. |
| 20:54.51 | Towzzer | technodrome, isn't that a bit big? |
| 20:54.59 | jhutchins_wk | hyppias: Did you have a question? |
| 20:55.55 | ChibaPet | jelly-home: Yeah, I'm feeling stupid today. Took me roughly this long to try strace -f so I could actually see the right execve... =cough= |
| 20:56.49 | Vlat- | Technodrome: 404?? |
| 20:56.49 | hyppias | trying to read parameter/value pairs and the echo the value. in bash |
| 20:57.11 | Vlat- | Technodrome: http://rascal.su/blog/2010/10/07/óñòà Ãîâêà -oracle-11-r2-Ãà -debian-lenny/ - no way |
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| 20:58.47 | leaked_hot | [HOT][LEAK][FRESH][VENDETTA] => http://pastebin.com/i1pZMzbW || deface it for fun and profit! |
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| 20:58.52 | Vlat- | Technodrome: however there's paste bin w/o pictures: http://pastebin.com/BgcNMfpC |
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| 21:00.25 | c4nuck | uberushaximus, have you tried it before ? |
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| 21:01.42 | uberushaximus | c4nuck: yeah, some stuff works |
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| 21:01.54 | uberushaximus | c4nuck: I don't personally own an ios device though |
| 21:02.04 | uberushaximus | YMMV |
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| 21:03.26 | c4nuck | okay i'll play around with that for awhile |
| 21:03.28 | c4nuck | thanks for the info |
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| 21:06.04 | uberushaximus | c4nuck: if you're jailbroken you can do a lot of normal *nix stuff on the cli |
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| 21:06.33 | siraqois | jailbroken, must be an apple producy? |
| 21:06.42 | siraqois | product* |
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| 21:12.10 | daemonkeeper | siraqois: Not that it would matter in this channel, but you can jailbreak much more than Apple devices. |
| 21:12.26 | jhutchins_wk | hyppias: You might ask about it in #bash |
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| 21:16.33 | daemonkeeper | -p |
| 21:16.53 | daemonkeeper | i.e. sysctl -p |
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| 21:17.26 | Vlat- | lroe: sysctl -p |
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| 21:17.39 | lroe | I wasn't sure if there was a 'debian way' |
| 21:18.41 | Vlat- | lroe: if i guess right, network layer is separated from user layer |
| 21:18.43 | daemonkeeper | Yes. Calling sysctl -p |
| 21:18.47 | daemonkeeper | Very Debian. |
| 21:19.02 | Vlat- | lroe: even iptables script has to be done by hand |
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| 21:20.15 | Vlat- | and it's right. base things can be accomplished by scripts |
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| 21:20.41 | Vlat- | more complex stuff involve administration skills |
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| 21:22.54 | _basic6 | so there's a computer (1) behind a kvm switch (2 screens) and every now and then (for example right now) it doesn't recognize the 2nd screen. the screen itself works (including cables and switch) because computer 2 *always* recognizes both screens |
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| 21:23.33 | _basic6 | it usually happens after a reboot, not just out of nothing |
| 21:23.36 | _basic6 | any ideas? |
| 21:24.06 | Vlat- | _basic6: outbound screen connectors? |
| 21:24.26 | Vlat- | _basic6: first one is smile 9-pin VGA, and second one is DVI ? |
| 21:24.36 | Vlat- | *simple |
| 21:25.30 | _basic6 | Vlat-i'm pretty sure the cables are ok, because the 2nd computer always work. it's all dvi. and i haven't physically touched anything, i just rebooted the computer (debian squeeze) and it started with one screen only |
| 21:26.21 | _basic6 | again, both screens go through the kvm switch, which is connected to both computers. the box has been running for weeks without a problem, until i've rebooted it now |
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| 21:27.22 | jelly-home | Vlat-: (15pin vga) |
| 21:27.30 | _basic6 | last time i "fixed" it by randomly turning that 2nd screen off and on, unpluggig its cable and replugging it, running xrandr over and over again (always "dvi-1 not connected"0 and rebooting x times |
| 21:27.39 | ChrisW1 | when did 6.0.7 come out? |
| 21:27.46 | Vlat- | (i gonna kill Colloquy vendor, for adjusting my sentences) |
| 21:27.48 | ChibaPet | Vlat-, jelly-home: So, for what it's worth, I installed libpam-script and was able to use that to shim in a little suid launcher to get to the MOTP user data. Worked for xscreensaver running under my credentials. |
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| 21:28.16 | jelly-home | ChrisW1: http://lists.debian.org/debian-announce/2013/msg00000.html |
| 21:28.22 | Vlat- | jelly-home: R-G-B-H-S + ground :) |
| 21:28.52 | Vlat- | even remember 23-pin Amiga connector :) |
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| 21:30.09 | ChrisW1 | cool, so I assume a safe-update is still fine to get all that? |
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| 21:30.44 | jelly-home | ChrisW1: I would not bet on it. |
| 21:31.00 | ChrisW1 | and why is that? |
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| 21:32.06 | ChrisW1 | er, I meant " aptitude update && aptitude safe-upgrade" |
| 21:32.22 | ChrisW1 | which I've always understoof to be the way to do security updates |
| 21:32.25 | jelly-home | occasionaly there are some dependency changes where they can't be easily avoided, even during a single release |
| 21:32.28 | ChrisW1 | understood, even] |
| 21:32.54 | jelly-home | thus a safe-upgrade might not _always_ grab all the changes a full-upgrade would |
| 21:32.59 | ChrisW1 | so my policy has always been to do that, and then reboot if the kernel package has been updated... |
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| 21:33.27 | ChrisW1 | would a safe-upgrade ever miss a security patch? |
| 21:33.34 | jelly-home | you're safe iff apt/aptitude did not complain of any held packages |
| 21:33.45 | jelly-home | ChrisW1: it has happened before. |
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| 21:34.17 | ChrisW1 | ah, okay, I look out for held packages and I've never seen any |
| 21:34.22 | ChrisW1 | so I'm guessing I'm all good :-) |
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| 21:35.04 | jelly-home | nod |
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| 21:36.03 | Vlat- | Colleagues, is there any hardened kernel for debian? It seems I'm too lazy to rebuild it :) |
| 21:36.37 | jelly-home | if you're too lazy the terrorists have laready pwned you |
| 21:36.58 | temporarybadge | im so lazy |
| 21:36.58 | denstark | lol |
| 21:37.08 | temporarybadge | does that make me a terrorist? |
| 21:37.20 | Vlat- | jelly-home: guys from "other channel" are saying that i'm morong, rebuilding kernel :)) |
| 21:37.56 | Vlat- | however i don't need all the crap shipped with default one :) |
| 21:38.15 | jelly-home | Vlat-: is that a close relative of a merengue |
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| 21:39.17 | Vlat- | jelly-home: moron i meant. there's a new version of Colloque at OSX, which so brave, that even complete my sentences. :) |
| 21:39.50 | Vlat- | and no way to switch this sh*t off |
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| 21:46.22 | zepard | hi |
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| 21:48.36 | OmegaPhil | Anyone have any idea which of the official Debian torrents needs seeding? I usually just seed the first CDs of amd64 and i386, but was wondering if my bytes would be better received on other torrents to help disseminate Debian |
| 21:49.57 | zepard | I use business card images for my installs |
| 21:50.00 | abrotman | OmegaPhil: multiarch would be nice |
| 21:50.47 | abrotman | OmegaPhil: that's kind of annoying |
| 21:51.06 | OmegaPhil | hmm, only one torrent - i386? |
| 21:51.42 | OmegaPhil | Oh, I see :) |
| 21:51.47 | OmegaPhil | Multiarch indeed |
| 21:51.51 | zepard | anyone with good feedback on m5a97 mobo? got some bad sata3 ports (3 on 6), and would like to confirm that wheezy is innocent. |
| 21:51.52 | zykotick9 | OmegaPhil: this is what my recent torrent uploading looks like http://paste.debian.net/238157/ |
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| 21:52.52 | OmegaPhil | ~300KB/Sec up on Debian torrents atm |
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| 21:53.09 | OmegaPhil | VDSL2 connection here, so it can get at ~900KB/Sec |
| 21:53.28 | OmegaPhil | k, no seeds for multiarch so far - will leave it going as usual |
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| 21:53.53 | OmegaPhil | ah, now its connected :) |
| 21:54.09 | OmegaPhil | zykotick9: Must upgrade to 6.0.7 :p |
| 21:54.53 | zykotick9 | OmegaPhil: ya, are they up now? /me goes to check. |
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| 21:55.36 | OmegaPhil | in 2 mins I'll be seeding on the multiarch |
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| 21:58.10 | OmegaPhil | Someday I'll need to knock up a script to watch for new torrents and fire them at deluge I buess |
| 21:58.12 | OmegaPhil | *guess |
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| 21:59.03 | HS^ | how can i install mysql 5.5 ? |
| 21:59.09 | HS^ | debian still has 5.1 |
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| 21:59.56 | Towzzer | check out a wonderful site called www.dotdeb.org |
| 22:00.04 | Towzzer | they have repos with all the latest web server stuff |
| 22:00.06 | Towzzer | lamp |
| 22:00.12 | somiaj | !dotdeb |
| 22:00.13 | dpkg | http://dotdeb.org/ is an unofficial package repository with emphasis on the <LAMP> solution stack, unsupported in #debian. To get support, read http://www.dotdeb.org/2012/08/24/how-to-post-useful-bug-reports/ and report any issues to https://github.com/gplessis/dotdeb-php5/issues . Ask me about <dotdeb alternatives>. |
| 22:00.47 | Towzzer | it's really good though |
| 22:00.51 | HS^ | ehm |
| 22:00.58 | HS^ | so there s no apt command |
| 22:01.10 | Towzzer | what's that now? |
| 22:01.22 | somiaj | Towzzer: it is not supported here, nor do you need to advertise it. I have seen it break numerous systems here so your idea of good may not be debians. |
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| 22:01.53 | dutchfish | ,version mysql-server |
| 22:01.54 | judd | Package: mysql-server on i386 -- lenny: 5.0.51a-24+lenny5; lenny-security: 5.0.51a-24+lenny5; lenny-backports: 5.1.49-3~bpo50+1; squeeze: 5.1.49-3; squeeze-security: 5.1.63-0+squeeze1; squeeze-security: 5.1.66-0+squeeze1; wheezy: 5.5.28+dfsg-1; sid: 5.5.29+dfsg-1 |
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| 22:02.12 | HS^ | dutchfish yes, so i have 5.1 now |
| 22:02.14 | HS^ | i need 5.5 |
| 22:02.22 | HS^ | i have squueeze |
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| 22:03.23 | somiaj | HS^: squeeze is frozen so the version that comes with it. Really there is no offical way to get 5.5 in squeeze. Yer options are to use an unoffical site or make your own backports |
| 22:03.43 | somiaj | HS^: on a plus note, wheezy will be released with 5.5 -- but there is still a few months until that is stable and has security support |
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| 22:06.54 | Quest | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:07.31 | Towzzer | not possible |
| 22:08.00 | Quest | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:08.04 | Towzzer | true crypt I think defaults to aes256 |
| 22:08.13 | Towzzer | you need to brute force the password to the key |
| 22:08.14 | Quest | i did sha 512 |
| 22:08.23 | Quest | my password is 60 chars |
| 22:08.36 | Towzzer | impossible |
| 22:09.10 | Quest | ok |
| 22:09.59 | abrotman | not impossible |
| 22:10.07 | Towzzer | oh gosh |
| 22:10.10 | abrotman | but not doable in a timely fashion :) |
| 22:10.39 | Towzzer | you forgot the password? |
| 22:10.49 | Towzzer | my password is "hutofbrownnowsitdown" |
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| 22:12.56 | phogg | abrotman: not doable in a timely fashion *so far*; hardware changes all the time |
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| 22:14.31 | rryoumaa | i don't think we answered his question correctly |
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| 22:14.58 | phogg | rryoumaa: right, he wanted to know if the previously-unencrypted data was still on disk in a recoverable way |
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| 22:15.07 | rryoumaa | right |
| 22:15.07 | phogg | to which the answer is "maybe" |
| 22:15.12 | rryoumaa | at least htat was my interpretation |
| 22:15.16 | phogg | Probably not unless the attacker has vast resources, but maybe |
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| 22:16.05 | jhutchins_wk | phogg: With encryption the answer usually is "maybe, but you wouldn't want to spend your time on it". |
| 22:16.30 | phogg | jhutchins_wk: it depends, I suppose, on what the user is doing and who he wants to be protected against |
| 22:16.59 | phogg | If I'm going to take this disk into a hostile country where it may be seized and the data on it may get me executed then I would not take any kind of maybe |
| 22:17.00 | rryoumaa | i think you're supposed to write a whole bunch of times with 1 0 and random to be safe or something, if it is a mechanical drive, but i have no idea how many times would make sense |
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| 22:17.16 | Towzzer | writing zeros once is sufficient |
| 22:17.24 | phogg | If I'm trying to prevent a laptop thief from reading my stored passwords, then it's effectively impossible for him to do so |
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| 22:18.12 | Tramp | rryoumaa: what you said was the case until about a decade ago |
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| 22:18.21 | rryoumaa | what changed? |
| 22:18.28 | rryoumaa | (doesn't surprise me) |
| 22:18.56 | Tramp | rryoumaa: density on the storage (and thus magnetic residue) and complexity of the firmware |
| 22:19.27 | phogg | Tramp: wouldn't writing 0 once make the disk look "obviously wiped"? |
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| 22:20.04 | siraqois | Hello |
| 22:20.06 | Tramp | phogg: would that be a problem? |
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| 22:20.19 | phogg | Tramp: depending on what you're defending against, maybe |
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| 22:20.46 | phogg | paranoia knows no limits, there's no harm in a /dev/random instead |
| 22:20.55 | Tramp | phogg: urandom |
| 22:21.01 | temporarybadge | lol magnetic residue |
| 22:21.02 | Tramp | still will take ages |
| 22:21.10 | temporarybadge | just put it in your freezer |
| 22:22.28 | temporarybadge | + just use whole disk encryption |
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| 22:22.53 | Tramp | and note that overwriting the device will not clear reallocated blocks. That's what security-erase is for |
| 22:23.19 | temporarybadge | use bitlocker for windows or dm-crypt for linux |
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| 22:23.34 | temporarybadge | or truecrypt for win |
| 22:23.47 | Vlat- | damned NFS |
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| 22:23.54 | daemonkeeper | Truecrypt is portable, but non-free. |
| 22:23.59 | phogg | temporarybadge: the scenario was a disk that was previously-unencrypted but now has the same data stored encrypted: is the unencrypted data recoverable? We were saying "probably no" |
| 22:24.04 | siraqois | Details: Wireless, laptop, RTL8187B, fresh squeeze install. Problem: lspci not showing the card. Question: Should it show up even without a driver? |
| 22:24.10 | daemonkeeper | Just in case one wants to mount the data on different systems. |
| 22:24.11 | Vlat- | 25gb of transfer was trashed |
| 22:24.12 | rryoumaa | what does "u"random stand for? |
| 22:24.24 | temporarybadge | ah yeah its unlikely |
| 22:24.26 | phogg | rryoumaa: micro, usually |
| 22:24.35 | hlieberman | In this case, it stands for "unlocked" |
| 22:24.37 | temporarybadge | because every block would have been changed to make the whole disk encrypted |
| 22:24.41 | hlieberman | As in, non-blocking. |
| 22:24.51 | phogg | hlieberman: interesting |
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| 22:25.19 | hlieberman | And Towzzer is right. A single pass of 0's is sufficient. |
| 22:25.35 | phogg | temporarybadge: right, but it would depend on how it was done. Movingdata from unencrypted partition to an encrypted partition in free space would not be enough, for example. |
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| 22:26.29 | rryoumaa | it makes sense that encrypting a drive would automatically do that |
| 22:26.40 | rryoumaa | i mean, why wouldn't it want to, except for speed? |
| 22:26.46 | temporarybadge | or get a self encrpting harddrive |
| 22:26.52 | temporarybadge | much more efficnient' |
| 22:26.54 | phogg | temporarybadge: such exist? |
| 22:26.56 | temporarybadge | uses TPM |
| 22:26.59 | temporarybadge | on motherboard |
| 22:27.02 | temporarybadge | certainly |
| 22:27.03 | phogg | oh, ugh |
| 22:27.04 | phogg | no thanks |
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| 22:27.16 | temporarybadge | doesn't use cpu cycles |
| 22:27.17 | hlieberman | If you don' |
| 22:27.21 | temporarybadge | does its own |
| 22:27.26 | hlieberman | If you don't care about the data and don't want to recover it, don't encrypt it, wipe it. |
| 22:27.56 | temporarybadge | its a good idea to not put things on computers that you carry around with you |
| 22:28.04 | temporarybadge | that you don't want stolen |
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| 22:28.19 | temporarybadge | why carry around a database worth a million dollars in fines if its stolen |
| 22:29.01 | Vlat- | physically disabled any external connectors :) |
| 22:29.17 | Vlat- | except lan |
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| 22:30.27 | Technodrome | i hate my life atm |
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| 22:31.36 | Vlat- | Technodrome: damn, i gave you even pastebin oracle setup :) |
| 22:31.37 | miss0r | I just installed Debian on this Geode industrial PC. I have no sound. the alsa 'speaker-test' runs fine, but it does not produce any sound output. The chipset is cs5536. Do you guys have any suggestions? |
| 22:31.43 | phogg | Technodrome: don't hate your life, hate the people who make it suck! It's so much more rewarding. |
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| 22:31.45 | Technodrome | oh not that Vlat- |
| 22:32.09 | Technodrome | its just i'm a java programmer + oracle DBA, plus linux / solaris admin, such a headache , and i'm not going to lie, i forget a ton about linux |
| 22:32.41 | miss0r | Technodrome: I am sick of maintaining a server-park in Denmark; want to take over ? ;) |
| 22:32.42 | _martin | hi, i want that locate is only searching on the system partion, so I exluded all directorys which are symlinks to the data partion. with PRUNEPATHS="/tmp /usr/tmp /var/tmp /afs /amd /alex /var/spool /media /www /backup /c /USB" |
| 22:32.58 | phogg | Technodrome: If you have to deal with Oracle databases then I totally understand your depression. |
| 22:33.00 | _martin | but when using locate is always printing files from the data partion |
| 22:33.04 | Vlat- | Technodrome: same sh*t there :) today is the first day i met linux, after a while :) |
| 22:33.11 | _martin | have anyone an idea whats there wrong? |
| 22:33.51 | Technodrome | oracle is not my issue so much, as is centos |
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| 22:35.02 | Vlat- | Technodrome: cents is rhel-based, and oracle is certified for rhel. |
| 22:35.08 | Vlat- | *centos |
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| 22:35.32 | phogg | _martin: perhaps locate canonicalizes the path first, which would mean a symlink name is not enough. |
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| 22:36.04 | _martin | what can i try else? |
| 22:36.16 | Tramp | _martin: did you run updatedb in the meantime? |
| 22:36.23 | _martin | yes |
| 22:36.26 | phogg | _martin: enter a path to whatever the symlink points to instead and see if that works |
| 22:37.03 | miss0r | I just installed Debian on this Geode industrial PC with a CS5536 chipset. The problem being, I cannot seem to get any sound output. I even tried with speaker-test, which ran fine but produced no sound output. I am honnestly a realy noob when it comes to xorg & ALSA, so i might very well have missed something essential. What could I be doing wrong? |
| 22:37.06 | Technodrome | Vlat-: i'm being even a worse and horrible person |
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| 22:37.31 | Vlat- | Technodrome: any beer for today ? |
| 22:37.34 | _martin | pl o try |
| 22:37.40 | Technodrome | i'm using oracle linux |
| 22:37.46 | Technodrome | which is pretty much a red hat rip |
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| 22:38.35 | Vlat- | miss0r: what does lsmod is saying ? |
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| 22:39.23 | miss0r | Vlat-: It has it mentioned all over. |
| 22:39.52 | phogg | miss0r: cat /proc/asound/cards - see exactly one? Is it what you expect? |
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| 22:40.37 | miss0r | Vlat-: It seems right to me |
| 22:41.11 | phogg | miss0r: sometimes, in general, a module might support quite a few different cards and may mis-detect which one you have. If this is the case sometimes it is possible to hint to it at load time which one you have. I've no idea bout your particular chip, though |
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| 22:42.20 | Technodrome | why does centos feel so heavy even from the command line |
| 22:42.21 | Vlat- | miss0r: apt-get install admix, and bring GAIN-s from zero to audible level |
| 22:42.27 | Vlat- | *aumix |
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| 22:43.28 | miss0r | Vlat-: My chipset is CS5536. the 'cat /proc/asound/cards' produces 0 [Audio ]: cs5535audio - CS5535 Audio and so forth... |
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| 22:44.18 | Vlat- | miss0r: that means your card is recognised and working. but output gain is 0db |
| 22:44.38 | Vlat- | miss0r: install any mixer and put these faders up |
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| 22:45.42 | miss0r | Vlat-: I just installed the aumix, and faded everything up. still no sound |
| 22:46.09 | Vlat- | miss0r: wrong socket for headphones? |
| 22:46.34 | miss0r | Vlat-: When talking to me, that is a real option, but not on this occation ;) |
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| 22:46.42 | Vlat- | miss0r: and no Mute should be above the fader |
| 22:47.34 | Vlat- | miss0r: had a job at help desk, and since that I usually i run a chucklest :) |
| 22:47.45 | miss0r | I see no 'mute' anywhere |
| 22:48.04 | Vlat- | miss0r: since you have you card in lsmod - hardware is working |
| 22:48.16 | dorky | Why was the nv video driver removed from wheezy? I see that it was: " The nv driver usually gives better results than vesa, but it is not included on wheezy or newer releases. " |
| 22:48.39 | Vlat- | miss0r: so now we can only check user-space stuff |
| 22:48.47 | miss0r | Vlat-: Indeed. At the moment I am on my second pair of headphones, both of which I have just tested on another pc that works completely. |
| 22:49.12 | dorky | This makes no sense to me. The naouveaua driver (I HATE french!) doesn't work worth crap for me. I've been trying for hours now to make it work with no luck, so I'm having to use the propriatary drivers? |
| 22:49.22 | miss0r | Vlat-: Indeed. I am all ears. I do network configurations, I never have the pleasure of sound - i.e. I am helpless |
| 22:49.29 | dorky | And here I thought the point of debian was to support free software? This stinks. |
| 22:49.48 | Vlat- | miss0r: and what does alsamixer say? |
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| 22:50.20 | miss0r | Vlat-: : alot of stuff, something in particular I am looking for? |
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| 22:50.50 | dorky | I'd really like to have my nv driver available. But I haven't found anywhere that offers a version compilied for wheezy. Looks like I'd have to compile all of xorg. I've tried that, and didn't like it. |
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| 22:53.06 | Vlat- | miss0r: o! |
| 22:53.20 | Vlat- | miss0r: is user in audio group ? |
| 22:53.29 | miss0r | Vlat-: good question :) |
| 22:54.08 | Vlat- | miss0r: usermod -a -G audio <username> |
| 22:54.57 | fresh | hey folks |
| 22:55.13 | miss0r | Vlat-: I need to log out and back in again... bbiab |
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| 22:55.36 | fresh | I am using sftp on custom port, when I test it locally it works, when I use win app to connect it says cant connect |
| 22:55.45 | fresh | I opened custom port in firewall |
| 22:55.48 | fresh | what else can it be? |
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| 22:56.47 | Vlat- | fresh: two cases. 1) passive ftp 2) ftp use more than two ports |
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| 22:56.54 | g0to | hi there, gents and gals |
| 22:57.03 | miss0r | Vlat-: Made no difference i'm afraid |
| 22:57.46 | Vlat- | miss0r: cat /etc/group | grep audio |
| 22:58.03 | miss0r | I was just in there looking, I am listed in that group |
| 22:58.19 | fresh | Vlat how would I check how many ports ftp uses? |
| 22:58.20 | Vlat- | hm, interesting |
| 22:58.36 | Vlat- | miss0r: cat <any file> > /dev/dsp |
| 22:58.37 | fresh | plus I am using sftp |
| 22:58.38 | miss0r | well, I am now. I was not before I executed the command |
| 22:58.48 | miss0r | cd /mnt |
| 22:59.07 | Vlat- | miss0r: no error = gain problem |
| 22:59.19 | Vlat- | miss0r: error = hardware trouble |
| 22:59.58 | abrotman | fresh: sftp uses ssh port |
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| 23:00.12 | abrotman | dpkg: tell miss0r about alsa checklist |
| 23:00.25 | abrotman | fresh: and only that port AFAIK |
| 23:00.37 | fresh | abrotman: correct and in ssh config I set it to custom one |
| 23:00.51 | miss0r | Vlat-: no error |
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| 23:00.57 | abrotman | fresh: so what's the problem? |
| 23:01.22 | abrotman | fresh: firewall? DNS? |
| 23:01.23 | fresh | abrotman: problem is when I use local sftp I have to tell it to use custom port |
| 23:01.26 | fresh | else it goes to 22 |
| 23:01.31 | abrotman | right ... |
| 23:02.01 | fresh | and when I use windows soft it want to use custom port and sftp by default uses 22 |
| 23:02.08 | Vlat- | miss0r: then hardware is correct. problem resides in mixer |
| 23:02.38 | miss0r | Vlat-: Great... Only problem is, It seems to me everything is set to 0db. |
| 23:02.49 | abrotman | miss0r: see what teh bot told you |
| 23:02.55 | fresh | sshd config got custom port |
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| 23:03.02 | fresh | where else do I change? |
| 23:03.02 | abrotman | fresh: you can't have the windows softare use another port? |
| 23:03.10 | fresh | i can |
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| 23:03.17 | fresh | I prefer to use custom port |
| 23:03.20 | abrotman | ... |
| 23:03.23 | fresh | instead of silly 22 |
| 23:03.27 | Vlat- | miss0r: like sound engineer since 1992 i use MacOS, but wait a bit :) |
| 23:03.31 | abrotman | fresh: so change the sshd_config |
| 23:03.34 | miss0r | Vlat-: I realy wish I could, but I have no enabled personal messages yet ( I just set this box up) |
| 23:03.34 | fresh | I did |
| 23:03.41 | neon__ | I did ddrescue, and now it is on "Splitting failed blocks" for quite a long time |
| 23:03.43 | abrotman | fresh: so it all works now |
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| 23:03.48 | fresh | it does not |
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| 23:03.52 | fresh | thats the thing :) |
| 23:03.55 | abrotman | fresh: so the problem is? |
| 23:04.03 | fresh | keeps saying cant connect to ftp server |
| 23:04.08 | abrotman | fresh: on which port? |
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| 23:04.14 | abrotman | custom port? port 22? |
| 23:04.16 | fresh | also when I type sftp user@domain in console |
| 23:04.18 | fresh | custom |
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| 23:04.22 | g0to | I'm looking for a tool to hat backup my system (the entire disk) |
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| 23:04.23 | fresh | it goes to 22 |
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| 23:04.30 | g0to | *to hot backup |
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| 23:04.37 | abrotman | fresh: what if you "telnet server port" in the cmd proimpt on the Windows box? |
| 23:04.47 | fresh | one moment I try |
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| 23:05.24 | g0to | I was thinking how well dd would be for the task |
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| 23:05.35 | fresh | abrotman: it says telnet is not recongized command |
| 23:05.39 | rubberneck | my computer only sees half as much physical memory as is actually there. free -m shows: 3033 total, but I have 3 2gig DIMMS can someone help? |
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| 23:06.10 | fresh | but I am able to ssh to that port as root from win pc |
| 23:06.13 | abrotman | fresh: windows8 ? |
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| 23:06.18 | fresh | win7 |
| 23:06.22 | Vlat- | miss0r: so, my good friend. Since AC97 doesn't declare outputs - ALSA output can be everywhere (in case if it isn't muted and not zeroed) |
| 23:06.25 | abrotman | rubberneck: uname -r ? |
| 23:06.28 | rubberneck | dmidecode --type 17 | grep Size shows: Size: 2048 MB on 3 DIMMS... whats going on? |
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| 23:06.41 | rubberneck | uname -r 2.6.32-5-686 |
| 23:06.52 | abrotman | rubberneck: install linux-image-686-bigmeme |
| 23:06.54 | abrotman | rubberneck: install linux-image-686-bigmem |
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| 23:07.11 | abrotman | fresh: can you see the connection starting on the server? |
| 23:07.21 | abrotman | fresh: which app are you using to connect from Windows? |
| 23:07.39 | miss0r | Vlat-: I am trying to figure out for sure if '00' is muted or 'mm' is muted. I think 'mm' stands for muted, that would make sence, but it doesn't say anywhere. |
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| 23:07.49 | fresh | its some custom applent |
| 23:07.57 | fresh | applet |
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| 23:08.07 | abrotman | fresh: can you download/try filezilla ? |
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| 23:08.20 | mtn | miss0r: yes, m is for mute. 0 is for zero |
| 23:08.23 | fresh | i got winscp and it works |
| 23:08.29 | fresh | that app also uses sftp right? |
| 23:08.50 | fresh | the user in question is restricted via rssh |
| 23:09.00 | fresh | maybe change something in rssh config? |
| 23:09.06 | abrotman | fresh: probably a good plan |
| 23:09.16 | miss0r | Vlat-: I either have mm or 00... So none of that is any good ? :) |
| 23:09.24 | fresh | I am going to enable winscp for all users |
| 23:09.27 | fresh | then see |
| 23:09.47 | Vlat- | miss0r: http://ubuntologia.ru/images/stories/ubuntu/articles/app/console2/alsamixer.png |
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| 23:11.15 | rubberneck | abrotman: Thanks that fixed me up.... why did I need that package? |
| 23:11.23 | miss0r | Vlat-: broken link? :S |
| 23:11.46 | abrotman | rubberneck: the normal one only goes up to 3.3GB (this goes away in wheezy, sort of) |
| 23:12.01 | Vlat- | miss0r: give a mice alas console for me |
| 23:12.10 | abrotman | ... |
| 23:12.18 | rubberneck | abrotman: Weird, ok good to know, thanks again. |
| 23:12.24 | Vlat- | *nice (damed Colloque) |
| 23:12.25 | abrotman | !tell rubberneck about pae |
| 23:12.34 | abrotman | Vlat-: it still doesn't make sense |
| 23:13.07 | fresh | abrotman seems something with app settings |
| 23:13.08 | Vlat- | abrotman: your or miss0r case ? :) |
| 23:13.11 | fresh | winscp works |
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| 23:13.30 | miss0r | Vlat-: You want what ? :) |
| 23:13.30 | abrotman | Vlat-: you |
| 23:13.43 | rubberneck | I just now noticed that this is a 32 bit machine..... derp... |
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| 23:14.01 | abrotman | rubberneck: so it plays tricks to address more than 4GB of RAM |
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| 23:15.48 | g0to | any comments about using dd as a hot backup tool? |
| 23:16.20 | miss0r | g0t0: You will have 'incomplete' files, as they are written to while being copied. |
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| 23:17.03 | miss0r | g0to: You need to freeze the system while doing a backup like that. |
| 23:17.06 | g0to | miss0r, even if the block size is big? |
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| 23:17.23 | miss0r | Vlat-: yes |
| 23:17.52 | abrotman | g0to: yes |
| 23:17.56 | Vlat- | miss0r: even google tell, that CS5536 is working |
| 23:17.57 | abrotman | g0to: is your system on LVM ? |
| 23:18.02 | miss0r | Vlat-: Well, some would argue, that the bigger the block size the smaller the chance, but the chance is still there, and you want to be damn sure you hace a functional backup. |
| 23:18.10 | abrotman | miss0r: you're talking to the wrong person |
| 23:18.23 | miss0r | indeed. |
| 23:18.25 | miss0r | :) |
| 23:18.29 | g0to | miss0r, what you mean with freezing the system? not doing anything but the backup? |
| 23:19.06 | miss0r | g0to: you might not be, but the computer is always doing 'stuff', while doing the backup it... doing a backup ;) |
| 23:19.10 | abrotman | g0to: is your system on LVM ? |
| 23:19.30 | Vlat- | miss0r: amixer |
| 23:19.42 | g0to | abrotman, I don't know. How can I give you and answer? |
| 23:19.58 | Vlat- | miss0r: it's the most ALSA-ish. what does it say? |
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| 23:20.03 | g0to | btw, I want to clone the entire disk, MBR included |
| 23:20.03 | miss0r | Vlat-: What about it? |
| 23:20.15 | abrotman | g0to: vgshow (IIRC) |
| 23:20.39 | phix | g0to: sudo dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/yourDriveYouWantToWipe bs=102400 |
| 23:20.57 | abrotman | phix: wtf .. that's not what he's trying to do |
| 23:20.58 | phix | g0to: oh clone, lol |
| 23:21.02 | phix | I thought you said wipe |
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| 23:21.08 | abrotman | glares |
| 23:21.10 | phix | abrotman: yes I reread lol |
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| 23:21.18 | Vlat- | miss0r: amixer is the most close to hardware |
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| 23:21.28 | phix | g0to: sorry sir, use partclone or partimage or clonezilla |
| 23:21.37 | abrotman | miss0r: are you using the OSS compatibility stuff? |
| 23:21.49 | abrotman | miss0r: and what is 'uname -r' ? |
| 23:21.49 | Vlat- | miss0r: amixer info |
| 23:21.59 | g0to | phix, let me try first than funny line you wrote above ;P |
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| 23:22.20 | phix | g0to: ignore my line, it will destroy your data |
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| 23:22.44 | phix | for some reason I read that as clear instead of clone |
| 23:22.46 | g0to | I just wipe an external USB drive a moment ago playing with dd |
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| 23:23.01 | g0to | killer app ;D |
| 23:23.16 | phix | I mean you can make images using dd too, if weilded the pointy end away from you :) |
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| 23:23.35 | abrotman | don't use dd |
| 23:24.03 | Vlat- | abrotman: since echo "" | cat /dev/dsp didm't said anything - he does use OSS compatibility :) |
| 23:24.14 | g0to | abrotman, because I want to backup online or something else? |
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| 23:24.47 | miss0r | Vlat-: Card default..... mixer.... :) Would you like me to pastebin something once in a while i'll gladly do it |
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| 23:25.00 | Vlat- | miss0r: do it! |
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| 23:25.20 | fresh | abrotman where can i find sftp connection log? |
| 23:25.22 | fresh | and error log |
| 23:25.29 | fresh | I looked in logs nothing there |
| 23:25.44 | fresh | it gotta be something simple :D |
| 23:26.10 | Nik05 | sftp is going over ssh, so check sshd logs |
| 23:26.16 | fresh | cool |
| 23:26.35 | Vlat- | miss0r: it's the way linux never'll be desktop platform :) |
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| 23:28.26 | phix | Vlat-: cat /dev/random > /dev/dsp is the way to go :) |
| 23:28.28 | g0to | phix, limitations for Clonezilla: "Online imaging/cloning is not implemented yet" |
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| 23:28.47 | wakd | miss0r: In alsamixer MM=mute 00=enabled. Also know that "0 dB" does not mean "zero volume", it means "the same, neither more nor less", ie default volume. Not that this solves your issue. Try http://alsa.opensrc.org/TroubleShooting |
| 23:28.49 | phix | You want to clone while your system is still running? |
| 23:28.54 | Vlat- | phix: already tried with that guy - no sound |
| 23:29.10 | phix | g0to: are you using LVM? |
| 23:29.24 | Vlat- | phix: i suppose headphone jack is plugged into wrong socket :) |
| 23:29.33 | phix | Vlat-: hehe |
| 23:29.50 | g0to | phix, I don't know it. And it's the second time someone asks me :S |
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| 23:30.15 | Vlat- | knowing linux - sound output can be at microphone input :) |
| 23:30.35 | abrotman | g0to: did you find out if you'r eusing LVM? |
| 23:30.42 | abrotman | g0to: i told you how to find out? |
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| 23:30.52 | phix | g0to: well LVM has a feature called snapshots, which allows you to clone a filesystem when things are still writing to it |
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| 23:31.06 | phix | g0to: type in sudo pvscan |
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| 23:31.16 | phix | if it returns nothing then you are not using LVM |
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| 23:32.45 | Vlat- | right now dd-ing with NFS over internet |
| 23:33.06 | Vlat- | 78GB. Wish me a luck :) |
| 23:33.16 | g0to | phix, I don't have pvscan installed and it is not available in my repositories |
| 23:33.19 | Vlat- | any CRC error and i have to start it over |
| 23:33.25 | abrotman | g0to: so probably not using LVM :) |
| 23:33.31 | abrotman | Vlat-: seems like a dumb way to do it |
| 23:33.43 | Vlat- | even ZModem at good old BBS times was better |
| 23:34.03 | Vlat- | abrotman: have no other choice |
| 23:34.10 | abrotman | you're doing it wrong |
| 23:34.18 | miss0r | Vlat-: Dear loard. I seem to remember pastebin allowing for text file upload at some point, I couldn't find that, and since fluxbox does not allow copy & paste from its shells, I had to write it manualy in the end :) here we go: http://pastebin.com/G4YiEg5e |
| 23:34.51 | abrotman | miss0r: what's uname -r ? |
| 23:35.08 | Vlat- | miss0r: Your card is recognised, working |
| 23:35.09 | hasdf | abrotman, try it out in terminal |
| 23:35.17 | abrotman | hasdf: Wasn't asking you |
| 23:35.21 | hasdf | abrotman, gives something like "3.2.0-3-amd64" back |
| 23:35.28 | abrotman | where do they come from? |
| 23:35.31 | abrotman | seriously ... |
| 23:35.44 | mtn | abrotman: from under rocks |
| 23:35.53 | phix | g0to: then you are not using it |
| 23:36.12 | Vlat- | miss0r: if every fader is topmost up - you just have a jack at a wrong place |
| 23:36.13 | miss0r | abrotman: it should tell you the kernel realease |
| 23:36.17 | g0to | I will try to find a tool tomorrow |
| 23:36.18 | abrotman | miss0r: WHAT IS YOUR KERNEL |
| 23:36.20 | abrotman | jesus |
| 23:36.34 | dawud | quit |
| 23:36.36 | dawud | oops |
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| 23:36.49 | miss0r | abrotman: sorry; 2.6.32-5-486 |
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| 23:36.57 | hasdf | abrotman, ah sry... missunderstood |
| 23:36.59 | Vlat- | miss0r: at AC97 even outputs can be inputs, there're no relations |
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| 23:37.09 | g0to | there is no popular tool that people use to backup their systems? |
| 23:37.10 | abrotman | miss0r: how old is the system ? |
| 23:37.16 | abrotman | g0to: in a snapshot? |
| 23:37.26 | miss0r | abrotman: good question... 5-6 years i'd say |
| 23:37.36 | abrotman | miss0r: lspci -nn .. what is the PCIID of hte sound card? |
| 23:37.40 | g0to | abrotman, yeah, for example |
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| 23:37.44 | abrotman | g0to: LVM :) |
| 23:38.01 | Vlat- | miss0r: so do cat <something large> > /dev/dsp - and try out every jack socket |
| 23:38.07 | g0to | abrotman, but you said I don't have it |
| 23:38.09 | abrotman | g0to: otherwise, you use something like bacula/amanda/rsync/rdiff-backup/dump+restore/tar |
| 23:38.21 | g0to | abrotman, never dd? |
| 23:38.27 | abrotman | g0to: but AFAIK, none of those do a snapshot like LVM |
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| 23:38.30 | abrotman | g0to: not on a live filesystem |
| 23:38.40 | abrotman | g0to: dd is block level |
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| 23:38.54 | g0to | abrotman, I've used it off line and it worked like a charm. Easy and simple |
| 23:38.57 | abrotman | sure |
| 23:39.01 | phix | Vlat-: http://i.imgur.com/7X2ylMW.jpg |
| 23:39.03 | Vlat- | is happy, that use OSX for audio works |
| 23:39.36 | abrotman | dpkg: tell miss0r about alsa checklist |
| 23:39.51 | Vlat- | phix: it's easy to paste a link, but you have a better solution ? |
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| 23:40.01 | miss0r | abrotman: 1022:2093 |
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| 23:40.07 | miss0r | Vlat-: Finding large file now... |
| 23:40.09 | abrotman | judd: pciid 1022:2093 |
| 23:40.11 | judd | [1022:2093] is 'CS5536 [Geode companion] Audio' from 'Advanced Micro Devices [AMD]' with kernel modules 'ahci', 'snd-hda-intel', 'snd-cs5535audio' in squeeze. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=1022:2093 and the out-of-tree 'snd-hda-intel', 'snd-cs5535audio' module. |
| 23:40.19 | abrotman | eh .. weird |
| 23:40.24 | phix | Vlat-: clonezilla to usb drive |
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| 23:41.35 | g0to | night, people, and thanks 4 your support ;) |
| 23:41.53 | Vlat- | phix: what usb? what clonezilla? what is all about audio ? :) |
| 23:42.16 | miss0r | Vlat-: http://www.delta-components.com/products/industrial_microspace_pc.htm#A |
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| 23:42.31 | miss0r | vlat: no sound in either 'mic' port or 'speaker' port ;) |
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| 23:44.39 | Vlat- | miss0r: in fact, are there lines at motherboard, leading to output jack ? :)) just joking |
| 23:45.09 | miss0r | Vlat-: i've had it working with the slax linux that was installed on it when I got it. |
| 23:45.21 | abrotman | miss0r: do you know what kernel that OS used? |
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| 23:46.18 | miss0r | abrotman: unfortunatly no... I still have the CF card with the installation on it. I could have a look |
| 23:46.46 | abrotman | might be useful |
| 23:46.49 | miss0r | abrotman: Oh... I forgot it something like 100 miles from here. |
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| 23:46.59 | abrotman | miss0r: that's NOT useful :) |
| 23:47.06 | Vlat- | miss0r: i have no idea, honestly. sound card appears in lspci, alsa, etcÂ… even /dev devices are working. but no sound. |
| 23:47.11 | abrotman | miss0r: the sound card is onboard? |
| 23:47.28 | miss0r | the soundcard is onboard. |
| 23:47.39 | miss0r | abrotman: http://www.delta-components.com/products/industrial_microspace_pc.htm#A |
| 23:47.51 | abrotman | miss0r: are you using the OSS compatibility modules |
| 23:47.51 | abrotman | ? |
| 23:48.25 | miss0r | abrotman: I have nothing but a clean install.. and some alsa |
| 23:48.39 | abrotman | miss0r: that doesn't answer the question |
| 23:49.04 | Towzzer | hey abrotman |
| 23:49.04 | Towzzer | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:49.36 | miss0r | abrotman: Then I have no idea :) |
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| 23:50.31 | abrotman | miss0r: does /dev/dsp or /dev/mixer exist? |
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| 23:50.50 | fresh | is there any reason sftp by default goes to port 22 when in ssshd config it set to another value? |
| 23:51.01 | miss0r | abrotman: they both exist |
| 23:51.18 | Vlat- | they even accept data |
| 23:51.25 | miss0r | indeed |
| 23:51.37 | abrotman | miss0r: tried using aumix to raise those levels? |
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| 23:51.44 | abrotman | fresh: did you man sshd_config ? |
| 23:51.47 | miss0r | abrotman: yes |
| 23:51.50 | fresh | no |
| 23:51.55 | fresh | there are so much to read |
| 23:52.01 | fresh | I usually use google |
| 23:52.38 | fresh | I did check for ssh errors if any |
| 23:52.41 | abrotman | miss0r: aumix, not alsamixer |
| 23:52.55 | miss0r | abrotman: I know. |
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| 23:53.10 | abrotman | miss0r: can you pastebin the output of 'amixer' (paste.debian.net) |
| 23:53.25 | miss0r | in 2 minuts I can. |
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| 23:54.21 | abrotman | fresh: grep Port /etc/ssh/sshd_config .. how many? |
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| 23:55.35 | SSigSeg | Debian Wheezy - I have to run: xrandr --output DVI-I-2 --primary every time i login to get my panel on the correct monitor, any ideas how to set the defaults for this? |
| 23:55.51 | fresh | abrotman 1 port |
| 23:55.58 | fresh | 0 mention of 22 |
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| 23:56.46 | fresh | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:56.46 | fresh | ssh: connect to host 54.245.99.XX port 22: Connection refused |
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| 23:57.30 | Hans_Henrik | (sorry for being slightly offtopic, but doesn't seem like im disrupting any conversation at the moment) |
| 23:57.30 | Hans_Henrik | anyone know the answer to this? http://ks3099534.kimsufi.com/base64Alternative.php |
| 23:57.54 | abrotman | fresh: uhm .. why are you trying to use port 22 when it's not open ? |
| 23:57.57 | markovh | what's the official way of spawning the login screen (some display manager) when you login? I want to non-hackishly create a second login on a different tty |
| 23:58.07 | Vlat- | lol |
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| 23:58.09 | fresh | i dont use it!!!! |
| 23:58.12 | fresh | lol |
| 23:58.14 | abrotman | Hans_Henrik: go away |
| 23:58.18 | Vlat- | use UUENCODE :) |
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| 23:58.29 | fresh | when I type sftp text122@54.245.99.XX |
| 23:58.30 | Hans_Henrik | abrotman, what do you mean? |
| 23:58.35 | fresh | it goes to port 22 |
| 23:58.43 | phix | fresh: correct |
| 23:58.50 | fresh | maybe it is its default behaviour |
| 23:58.53 | abrotman | fresh: did you try using the -P option ? |
| 23:58.55 | phix | fresh: use -P PORTNUMBER to specify another port |
| 23:58.58 | fresh | ok ok |
| 23:59.10 | fresh | I did, just wanted to check what can it be |
| 23:59.11 | phix | aawww abrotman beat me |
| 23:59.18 | fresh | everything seems to work |
| 23:59.25 | miss0r | abrotman: http://pastebin.com/eyFZua7p |
| 23:59.26 | fresh | yet that win app yet to connect |
| 23:59.29 | fresh | lol |
| 23:59.34 | fresh | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:59.37 | phix | firewall issues? |
