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| 00:00.10 | Vlat- | Hans_Henrik: such encoding is called UUENCODE |
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| 00:00.13 | abrotman | miss0r: what's the CPU ? |
| 00:00.18 | fresh | phix I disabled firewall hehe to try |
| 00:00.23 | fresh | going to check firewall logss |
| 00:00.27 | Vlat- | good old FidoNet times |
| 00:00.54 | Hans_Henrik | Vlat-, thanks! |
| 00:01.24 | Vlat- | you're welcome, still 2:5020/2358 :) |
| 00:01.34 | miss0r | abrotman: it's a 500mhz Geode processor. |
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| 00:06.04 | abrotman | miss0r: so? 586? 686? |
| 00:06.08 | abrotman | can't remember |
| 00:06.32 | Vlat- | Hans_Henrik: but by the way, why did you asked for such vintage ? :) |
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| 00:07.23 | miss0r | abrotman: 586 |
| 00:07.33 | abrotman | miss0r: fun .. let's try a newer kernel |
| 00:07.42 | abrotman | miss0r: add "deb http://backports.debian.org/debian-backports squeeze-backports main" to /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 00:08.21 | abrotman | miss0r: then "aptitude update;aptitude -t squeeze-backports install linux-image-486" |
| 00:08.28 | abrotman | miss0r: tha'tll give you a 3.2.x kernel |
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| 00:08.38 | Hans_Henrik | Vlat-, (not sure what you mean by "such vintage" btw) i asked because i needed some way to make strings portable, and someone suggested BASE64 and... |
| 00:09.31 | Vlat- | Hans_Henrik: well, UTF8 make strings portable :) |
| 00:09.33 | Hans_Henrik | i have seen base64 many places, but i don't understand why its so popular... and like.. "i know a better way to encode this string to something portable, but i don't know what its called exactly" |
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| 00:10.29 | miss0r | abrotman: Somehow I don't think the slax kernel was way up there :) but I will give it a go |
| 00:10.33 | Hans_Henrik | (the overhead of base64 is at least 4*original size, as far as i can see) |
| 00:10.48 | abrotman | miss0r: alternately, ask #alsa ? :) |
| 00:11.15 | miss0r | abrotman: #debian is good ;) |
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| 00:11.36 | Hans_Henrik | (the overhead of this uuencode or what-its-called is 2*original size) |
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| 00:12.09 | Vlat- | Hans_Henrik: multibyte encode is only 2-byte long per character, and supported de-facto by any modern OS |
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| 00:12.28 | abrotman | Hans_Henrik: how is this related to Debian again? |
| 00:12.47 | Hans_Henrik | abrotman, it isn't. (as far as i know) |
| 00:12.59 | abrotman | Hans_Henrik: please take it elsewhere, thank you |
| 00:13.31 | Vlat- | abrotman: you're about to say debeian has issues with UTF8 ? :))) |
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| 00:13.38 | abrotman | Vlat-: please stop |
| 00:13.44 | chrissbx | Hi. I'm looking for help setting up hibernate with encrypted root and encrypted swap. Found https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EnableHibernateWithEncryptedSwap but that says to configure /etc/acpi/hibernate.sh but I don't have /etc/acpi/, so? |
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| 00:13.51 | Hans_Henrik | abrotman, as soon as im done answering the questions people asked me, i will |
| 00:14.02 | chrissbx | No "*acpi*" packages installed either. |
| 00:14.11 | abrotman | Hans_Henrik: it's not related to Debian, take it elsewhere, thank you |
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| 00:14.20 | chrissbx | I'm on Debian stable. |
| 00:14.20 | abrotman | chrissbx: did you install the acpi packages? |
| 00:14.26 | chrissbx | abrotman: no, why should I |
| 00:14.28 | chrissbx | ? |
| 00:14.38 | abrotman | blinks |
| 00:14.43 | abrotman | dpkg: tell chrissbx about apt-file |
| 00:15.05 | fresh | :))) |
| 00:15.14 | fresh | windows sometimes is funny |
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| 00:15.26 | chrissbx | abrotman: no, my point is, since I *do* have pm-hibernate, and that's pm not acpi, why should I install anything acpi? |
| 00:15.30 | fresh | like applets with no obvious way to debug :D |
| 00:15.41 | abrotman | chrissbx: i'm not the one that wrong your HOWTO, ask them? |
| 00:15.42 | chrissbx | (Well, does pm imply apm?) |
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| 00:15.55 | Vlat- | abrotman: sorry, i'm a little drunk right now. deploying a new centre :) |
| 00:16.00 | abrotman | i seriously doubt anyone with a computer newer than 10 years is using APM |
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| 00:16.04 | chrissbx | I'd just like to know how to do it properly on Debian.. |
| 00:16.20 | chrissbx | hm |
| 00:16.28 | Hans_Henrik | abrotman, i just said that i would take it elsewhere. just had a question to answer first |
| 00:16.33 | chrissbx | I thought acpi was the old one. Well, can never remember. |
| 00:16.39 | abrotman | Hans_Henrik: relating to what? |
| 00:16.47 | abrotman | chrissbx: no, acpi is the newer way |
| 00:16.52 | chrissbx | ok |
| 00:17.38 | miss0r | rebooting into new kernel... wish me luck |
| 00:17.45 | abrotman | dpkg: bless miss0r |
| 00:17.46 | dpkg | O $DEITY, we beseech you to bless your child miss0r, who is about to do something stupid and needs all the help you can give. Amen. |
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| 00:20.39 | Vlat- | Back to linux-related stuff |
| 00:20.56 | Hans_Henrik | abrotman, relating to, originally, a question about an encoding scheme (specifically i wanted to answer the question in this message before i took off: <Vlat-> Hans_Henrik: but by the way, why did you asked for such vintage ? :) ) |
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| 00:21.10 | abrotman | Hans_Henrik: take it elsewhere, thank you |
| 00:22.22 | Vlat- | Hans_Henrik: that's no good, to make me a wrong motherfu^H^H^H dude :) |
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| 00:28.05 | SSigSeg | can someone tell me what script is run when you login to gnome 3? I need to run a xandr command after logging in... |
| 00:28.13 | SSigSeg | xrandr* |
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| 00:33.31 | SSigSeg | I'm running Debian 7 (Wheezy) with gdm3 (Gnome 3 desktop). When I log in, because I have my primary display to the right of my secondary display, i need to run the command: xrandr --output DVI-I-2 --primary so my panel, etc, loads on the proper monitor. Where can I save this setting so I dont have to do that every login? If I can't, what script is used when logging into gdm3 so I can add this command to my login script? .xsession doesn |
| 00:33.31 | SSigSeg | 't work, .Xsession doesn't work, and /etc/gdm3/Init/Default does not work. ideas? |
| 00:33.44 | tomman | Hello there. |
| 00:34.12 | tomman | I've just installed Wheezy to an old Pentium MMX box, but it doesn't boot after restart - I'm stuck at a "Error: unknown filesystem" GRUB prompt |
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| 00:34.52 | tomman | I'm able to access the partitions through rescue mode, but no matter how many times I re-run update-grub/grub-install, I can't get this thing to boot by itself.. |
| 00:36.08 | SSigSeg | can you paste the output of fdisk -p to a pastebin and tell me what one is your root fs? |
| 00:37.20 | SSigSeg | wait.. not fdisk -p, meant fdisk -l /dev/<hard drive> |
| 00:37.28 | tomman | http://pastie.org/6337890 |
| 00:37.43 | tomman | It's a 40GB HDD, but with the 32GB clip installed |
| 00:37.56 | tomman | so I made a small /boot partition near the beginning of the drive. |
| 00:38.09 | abrotman | tomman: how did you install grub? |
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| 00:38.26 | tomman | I've just used the stock Debian installer |
| 00:38.30 | tomman | installed to /dev/sda |
| 00:38.58 | shakaponk | hey guyz, i got xserver-xorg-input-synaptics installed but still cant use the advanced features like scrolling.... what should i look for? |
| 00:39.43 | tomman | abrotman: After that, I've tried a couple of times with update-grub/grub-install from the rescue console, mounting my root and boot partitions first, of course. |
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| 00:40.03 | SSigSeg | what does update-grub show? |
| 00:40.12 | SSigSeg | does it say Added ..... |
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| 00:41.20 | tomman | Let me check... |
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| 00:41.35 | tomman | Found Linux image: blah blah blah... |
| 00:41.42 | tomman | Found initrd image: ... |
| 00:41.57 | tomman | done |
| 00:42.00 | tomman | That's all. |
| 00:42.12 | tomman | On this thing, Debian is the sole OS. |
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| 00:43.27 | SSigSeg | looks legit to me |
| 00:43.40 | SSigSeg | are you installing from USB or CD? |
| 00:44.09 | tomman | netinstall CD |
| 00:44.29 | tomman | It's a Pentium MMX-233, there is no way for that thing to boot from USB... |
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| 00:45.15 | tomman | If this is of any help, I've used a script called bootinfoscript to gather this: http://pastie.org/6337921 |
| 00:45.21 | Vlat- | guys never, NEVER synchronize 50+ GB via NFS :) |
| 00:45.24 | SSigSeg | well in all honesty i'm surprised to see it's on /dev/sdX instead of /dev/hdX |
| 00:45.51 | tomman | It only took 2 hours to install a unbootable system :( |
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| 00:46.20 | tomman | I think that the old ATA drivers are no longer used on any modern distro |
| 00:46.29 | Vlat- | only CRC error - and you have to start it over |
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| 00:46.40 | tomman | these days everything is ruled by libata that speaks SCSI for everything. |
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| 00:47.29 | ex-parrot | can someone suggest the least hacky way to run the 3.7 kernel packages from experimental on a squeeze machine? |
| 00:47.42 | SSigSeg | u should delete primary partition 0 (your swap), recreate your swap, then update-grub /dev/sda again to rewrite the partition table and reinstall to mbr |
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| 00:48.08 | frikandel | what is the best mirror server that almost always work |
| 00:48.37 | Vlat- | ex-parrot: com pie a kernel, and build it with make-kpkg |
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| 00:49.26 | SSigSeg | ex-parrot: yeah, download the kernel source you want to use from kernel.org, run apt-get install kernel-kpkg, configure your kernel, make your kernel using make-kpkg kernel_image, then mkinitramfs in /boot for that kernel, then run update-grub, then reboot to 3.7 kernel |
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| 00:49.35 | Vlat- | damn, i'm into Colloque "compile" into "com pie" w/o asking?! |
| 00:49.45 | ex-parrot | those suggestions seem a lot more hacky than using the pre-built package from experimental.... is there something I'm missing? |
| 00:49.58 | SSigSeg | ex-parrot: after dpkg -i (kernel deb pkg) |
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| 00:50.42 | Vlat- | ex-parrot: in fact what would you want? |
| 00:50.44 | Kruppt | tomman: I think you need to edit this stanza like so -> set root='(hd0,msdos3)' |
| 00:50.52 | SSigSeg | well... it's not that hacky really... the only thing you should need to change in the kernel configure is the type of processor you have |
| 00:51.06 | ex-parrot | at the moment I'm just downloading the .deb files and manually installing them, but it seems like to get the linux-headers-... package I'm going to end up in dependency hell (depends on gcc 4.7 etc) |
| 00:51.46 | SSigSeg | oh... apt-get install gcc4.7, then go to /usr/bin and run ln -s /usr/bin/gcc4.7 /usr/bin/gcc |
| 00:52.22 | Vlat- | ex-parrot: let me guess, you need the most fresh packages? |
| 00:52.51 | ex-parrot | no, I want as close to squeeze as possible, but for hardware stability I need to be running 3.7 it seems |
| 00:53.20 | ex-parrot | 3.2 from backports doesn't seem to be new enough |
| 00:53.39 | SSigSeg | ex-perrot: sudo apt-get install gcc-4.7 |
| 00:53.54 | SSigSeg | ex-perrot: then: ln -s /usr/bin/gcc-4.7 /usr/bin/gcc |
| 00:54.01 | SSigSeg | ex-perrot: dependency solved |
| 00:54.02 | Vlat- | ex-parrot: then dl newest kernel tar ball, and then user kernel-package system |
| 00:54.05 | ex-parrot | SSigSeg: that is just the wrong way to do that |
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| 00:54.17 | Vlat- | *use |
| 00:54.24 | ex-parrot | gcc 4.7 isn't available in squeeze, and if you're changing which gcc is used by the system you should be using update-alternatives... |
| 00:55.08 | SSigSeg | worked for me, i had to do it to install nvidia drivers |
| 00:55.14 | SSigSeg | of course i'm running wheezy... |
| 00:55.39 | SSigSeg | i come from a time before yum and aptitude |
| 00:55.58 | ex-parrot | me too, but it doesn't mean I don't also use aptitude now 8^) |
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| 00:56.59 | ex-parrot | I think I will just install the 3.7 package from experimental and forgo the use of anything that requires linux-headers-... for now, it's not like it's likely to build properly against 3.7 yet anyway :P |
| 00:57.57 | fresh | :) |
| 00:58.31 | tomman | Kruppt: What should I edit there? |
| 00:58.40 | Vlat- | ex-parrot: install slackware :)) |
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| 01:00.03 | ex-parrot | Vlat-: not in the 21st century thanks ;) |
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| 01:04.29 | Kruppt | tomman: looking at it again it looks right the way it is.. and the UUID's look right too..don't know |
| 01:04.31 | tomman | SSigSeg: No luck: tried dropping my swap partition, recreating it, rerunning update-grub/grub-install... |
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| 01:05.10 | tomman | What I notice at the GRUB startup is that it freezes for like 5-10 seconds at the "GRUB loading." line... |
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| 01:05.28 | tomman | ...then after that I get the "Welcome to GRUB" line... and the unknown filesystem error :( |
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| 01:07.27 | tomman | Maybe should I try another 2-hour reinstall... this time WITHOUT the /boot partition? (this would force me to keep my root filesystem at 32GB) |
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| 01:15.04 | tomman | A ls in "grub rescue" shows the HDD my 3 partitions (plus my floppy drive), but for all of them I just got the "unknown filesystem". |
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| 01:16.03 | abrotman | what filesystem did you put on them ? |
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| 01:16.07 | abrotman | just straight ext3? |
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| 01:16.42 | tomman | ext4 for both / and /boot |
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| 01:16.57 | tomman | the other is swap |
| 01:17.18 | frikandel | guys i get an error on booting failed code 4 a manual fsck must be performed ?? |
| 01:18.09 | Kruppt | tomman: @ line 148 in /boot/grub/grub.conf you might try changing ->set root='(hd0,msdos3)'<- to ->set root='(hd0,msdos2)'<- and see if that works? |
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| 01:18.45 | tomman | OK, let me check... |
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| 01:19.49 | tomman | Curiously this is my 4th Wheezy setup, but the first one that actually gives problems to me... |
| 01:20.12 | tomman | Well, all other three were in not-prehistoric laptops - from a P4 to a i5 |
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| 01:23.33 | mynameisdeleted | so.. I have a few datacenter server and might have one to spare on unmetered 10gbps connection with 240GB solid state drive that reads/writes 1GB/s |
| 01:23.45 | mynameisdeleted | about 10gbps like the connection |
| 01:23.51 | mynameisdeleted | if I want to mirror debian what are requirements |
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| 01:23.59 | mynameisdeleted | will a squid-cache pointing to an official mirror count? |
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| 01:24.12 | mynameisdeleted | most commonly served 200GB of files are served from disk |
| 01:24.25 | mynameisdeleted | unles they are new or updated in whcih case the squid cache fetches new files from master server |
| 01:25.46 | SSigSeg | brb |
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| 01:28.22 | abrotman | mynameisdeleted: they're listed on the website |
| 01:28.37 | abrotman | mynameisdeleted: though, i don't think 240GB is enough for the complete mirror |
| 01:28.39 | tomman | Kruppt: Nope, no luck. |
| 01:28.42 | tomman | still unbootable. |
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| 01:28.57 | mynameisdeleted | no.. but its only type of drive that will read at 10gbps |
| 01:29.05 | mynameisdeleted | and it can store most common file sif I make caching web proxy |
| 01:29.10 | mynameisdeleted | that keeps the most used 240GB |
| 01:29.30 | mynameisdeleted | I think thtas 95+% of used files |
| 01:29.42 | mynameisdeleted | could get 480GB ssd |
| 01:29.51 | mynameisdeleted | but thats the largest they make the 1GB/s pcie ssd cards |
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| 01:30.17 | abrotman | mynameisdeleted: http://www.debian.org/mirror/official |
| 01:30.34 | mynameisdeleted | I'm going to make this mirror internally for me |
| 01:30.50 | mynameisdeleted | and might be willing to let debian use it too |
| 01:31.01 | abrotman | oh .. that's silly |
| 01:31.03 | abrotman | use a proxy |
| 01:31.08 | mynameisdeleted | caching proxy |
| 01:31.15 | abrotman | if you're not actually going to be a mirror .. don't mirror the whole thing |
| 01:31.16 | mynameisdeleted | files that are still there are served from server |
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| 01:31.29 | abrotman | !tell mynameisdeleted about approx |
| 01:31.39 | abrotman | mynameisdeleted: i used approx for years .. it's pretty darn nice |
| 01:31.59 | mynameisdeleted | perfect |
| 01:32.10 | mynameisdeleted | so I dotn have to update my mirror manually |
| 01:32.27 | mynameisdeleted | and I set all hosted vms and boxes to update from that |
| 01:32.57 | mynameisdeleted | can this also look like a full debian mirror sort of .. where you can brows packages in web browser? |
| 01:34.55 | mynameisdeleted | would debian be willing to list an approx instance as a mirror? |
| 01:35.00 | mynameisdeleted | if its got tons of bw |
| 01:35.05 | mynameisdeleted | and runs in datacenter? |
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| 01:35.51 | mynameisdeleted | they maintain active main mirror and I dotn think about what they post |
| 01:36.53 | abrotman | mynameisdeleted: that is not a mirror |
| 01:37.21 | abrotman | mynameisdeleted: you'd be a published proxy .. not the same thing |
| 01:37.37 | mynameisdeleted | how much space is needed for mirror? |
| 01:37.44 | abrotman | mynameisdeleted: you can also seed the ISOs if that's more your speed |
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| 01:38.18 | mynameisdeleted | maybe |
| 01:38.22 | mynameisdeleted | that can use bw easy |
| 01:38.25 | gabesubdo | mynameisdeleted: http://www.debian.org/mirror/size |
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| 01:38.48 | tomman | Bah, screw this stuff. I'm going to reinstall without that /boot partition. |
| 01:38.52 | mynameisdeleted | so with 480GB I can host source, all and amd64 |
| 01:38.53 | mynameisdeleted | and 386 |
| 01:39.07 | mynameisdeleted | to be official mirro I need to have all |
| 01:39.09 | abrotman | notes they should probably up that bandwidth requirement .. T1 is fairly useless these days |
| 01:39.23 | mynameisdeleted | 10gbps is prob useful |
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| 01:39.36 | mynameisdeleted | I might raid0 2 ssd 480GB drives |
| 01:39.39 | mynameisdeleted | to get 960GB |
| 01:39.52 | abrotman | doesn't seem very reliable |
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| 01:40.03 | mynameisdeleted | 480GB ssd drives are like 800 each |
| 01:40.10 | mynameisdeleted | 2400 can buy 3 to go raid5 with |
| 01:40.24 | mynameisdeleted | or can use ssd to cache a spinning filesystem |
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| 01:40.28 | abrotman | the SSD really isn't needed |
| 01:40.30 | gabesubdo | reliability is hardly important in this case |
| 01:40.36 | abrotman | gabesubdo: to be a mirror? |
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| 01:40.59 | abrotman | right, because people prefer when their chosen mirror goes belly up |
| 01:41.16 | gabesubdo | yeah. I mean you want to have good overall reliability, but it's not the end of the world if you lose your copy of that data |
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| 01:41.42 | abrotman | right, but engineering to failure isn't really the way to go |
| 01:41.57 | mynameisdeleted | so 3 drives and raid5 |
| 01:42.08 | mynameisdeleted | with max output of 20gbps from drive array |
| 01:42.12 | mynameisdeleted | and 20gbps network card to match |
| 01:42.19 | mynameisdeleted | well 16 from both actually |
| 01:42.25 | mynameisdeleted | might be 10 under load |
| 01:42.32 | gabesubdo | eh, it's all about reasonable compromises |
| 01:42.33 | abrotman | curses at he.net |
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| 01:43.09 | mynameisdeleted | maybe just 2 drives |
| 01:43.12 | mynameisdeleted | and split data between them |
| 01:43.24 | abrotman | we already covered, RAID0 isn't RAID, and is going to fail |
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| 01:43.26 | mynameisdeleted | amd64 on one and 386 on others and rare stuff |
| 01:43.34 | Kruppt | tomman: I think you could do away with the boot partition and install grub2 to MBR and to root partition.GRUB2 has native drivers for accessing drives directly, bypassing the BIOS entirely. Since it's bypassing the BIOS, limitations of your BIOS do not apply and you can access any part of any sized drive. |
| 01:43.46 | mynameisdeleted | so raid1... or raid5 |
| 01:44.03 | mynameisdeleted | raid1 and regular stuff like source all and amd64 and 386 is on ssd |
| 01:44.09 | gabesubdo | abrotman: I think RAID0 is perfectly acceptable when there are thousands of copies of the same data out there |
| 01:44.11 | mynameisdeleted | powerpc and mipsel is on an old raid array |
| 01:44.27 | mynameisdeleted | with spinning sata drives |
| 01:44.29 | gabesubdo | keep a backup copy on cheap spinning disk if you want to cut recovery time from 24 hours to 6 |
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| 01:44.42 | abrotman | gabesubdo: there's little point in adding a mirror that is going to die, and in spectacular fashion |
| 01:44.54 | abrotman | why pretend to be fault tolerant when it's very clear you're not |
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| 01:45.07 | mynameisdeleted | so I'l get 2 ssds to raid1 |
| 01:45.09 | mynameisdeleted | mirrro |
| 01:45.10 | mynameisdeleted | r |
| 01:45.22 | mynameisdeleted | will be limited space but enough for source x86_64 and 386 repositories |
| 01:45.31 | mynameisdeleted | sparc and kfreebsd and stuff thats less popular can sit on sata |
| 01:45.34 | mynameisdeleted | so its a full mirror |
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| 01:45.41 | EagleRock | just out of curiosity, is this personal hardware or is this company kit? |
| 01:45.42 | abrotman | mynameisdeleted: or you can just use approx for your own stuff |
| 01:45.43 | mynameisdeleted | mount --bind |
| 01:45.51 | abrotman | mynameisdeleted: lay off the enter key |
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| 01:46.01 | joshumax | hey debian users |
| 01:46.07 | mynameisdeleted | company |
| 01:46.07 | abrotman | hi |
| 01:46.15 | mynameisdeleted | no user gets 7tbps of home internet bw |
| 01:46.18 | gabesubdo | there's nothing spectacular about 1 mirror out of 1000 going down for a couple days. the fault tolerance is in the network, not the individual server. it's just as likely that the power will go out or the other hardware will fail |
| 01:46.21 | abrotman | mynameisdeleted: have you even asked your company? |
| 01:46.37 | mynameisdeleted | I thnk they'l do it |
| 01:46.43 | EagleRock | abrotman: my question exactly... |
| 01:46.53 | abrotman | mynameisdeleted: why don't you find out for sure before you spend all this time "engineering" |
| 01:46.58 | mynameisdeleted | they def need one for internal |
| 01:47.08 | abrotman | gabesubdo: disagree, but i don't rely on your services, so what do i really care |
| 01:47.15 | abrotman | mynameisdeleted: that's a huge difference |
| 01:47.30 | abrotman | would like to get his employer to mirror stuff, hasn't found the right person to talk to |
| 01:48.18 | joshumax | darn, this place is full of smart SYSADMINs |
| 01:48.33 | mynameisdeleted | they'll do it with advertising on mirror.. welll.. a statement of sponsored by |
| 01:48.35 | mynameisdeleted | that links to home page |
| 01:48.41 | abrotman | mynameisdeleted: talk to them first |
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| 01:48.45 | joshumax | guesses everyone would laugh at the word GNOME |
| 01:48.47 | mynameisdeleted | they agreed to that |
| 01:48.53 | tomman | OK, I'm repartitioning the HDD... |
| 01:48.54 | abrotman | joshumax: why? it's a nice system |
| 01:48.56 | tomman | any suggestions? |
| 01:49.05 | abrotman | tomman: / and /home/ and swap |
| 01:49.13 | joshumax | is there a debian-offtopic? |
| 01:49.16 | tomman | No /boot? |
| 01:49.29 | abrotman | joshumax: /topic |
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| 01:50.18 | abrotman | or /part ? |
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| 01:51.19 | tomman | I'll go with ext3 this time, at least if I end with another unbootable box, I can get bailed out by grub-legacy... |
| 01:52.42 | th3pun15h3r | anyone installed debian on a sparc based machine? I have a ultra 5 to tinker with and was thinking of trying out bsd or opensolaris but heard debian has hardware support too. Just curious about performance |
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| 01:53.45 | gabesubdo | abrotman: I can't find the link I was looking for, but my feeling is that mirroring a distro is the kind of task that doesn't need 99.999% availability per server. lots of places (google is an extreme example) find it more efficient to use a ton of cheap hardware than expensive stuff with redundant everything |
| 01:54.12 | abrotman | gabesubdo: yes, but google uses load balancing for a single hostname .. his mirror will not |
| 01:54.27 | abrotman | not really the same |
| 01:55.07 | gabesubdo | eh, most public users would get to his mirror through a round-robin or something, they're not going to be rely on him and him alone |
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| 01:55.35 | abrotman | gabesubdo: do you know how the Debian mirror system works? |
| 01:55.43 | gabesubdo | SSDs aren't perfect and RAID0 is definitely not fault tolerant, but it's not like it's going to go down monthly |
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| 01:56.08 | Kruppt | tomman: yes , you could get away without using a boot partition, just a swap and root partition, would simplify installing grub2 |
| 01:56.21 | gabesubdo | abrotman: roughly, yes. enlighten me if I missed something |
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| 01:56.43 | abrotman | gabesubdo: how many roundrobin entries are there for the bloomu mirror? |
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| 01:57.33 | abrotman | gabesubdo: http.debian.net is more fault tolerant, ftp.us.debian.net would be more fault tolerant IIRC, or mirrors.kernel.org .. but many are single machines |
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| 01:58.24 | gabesubdo | I would have wagered that most people's machines are set to things like ftp.us.debian.net, but I might be wrong there. my machine is hardcoded to one host. |
| 01:58.36 | abrotman | you mean .org |
| 01:58.50 | abrotman | but I never use them, i always choose a specific host |
| 01:58.52 | gabesubdo | I do. I copied ".net" from you |
| 01:59.01 | abrotman | oh, sorry .. brain fart :) |
| 01:59.31 | abrotman | anyway .. you get my point |
| 01:59.49 | gabesubdo | yeah, I just disagree on what level of risk is acceptable |
| 02:00.15 | gabesubdo | I know mine has gone down for a day or so before, and it's a fairly reputable host |
| 02:00.28 | gabesubdo | (the one I use, not one I run) |
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| 02:02.37 | phix | heh |
| 02:02.59 | phix | so any due date set for Wheezy yet? |
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| 02:04.10 | zykotick9 | phix: there won't be a "date" really. it's when rc bugs reach 0. see "/msg dpkg wwwr" and/or "/msg dpkg rc bugs" for details. |
| 02:04.11 | dvs | phix: There's never a due date. It just happens |
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| 02:07.18 | Kage` | Anyone wanna help me figure out a fun idea? VPN via SSH tunnel. |
| 02:07.40 | Kage` | Specifically: Home PC -> SSH SOCKS5 tunnel -> Server -> VPN (AirVPN or such) -> Internet |
| 02:07.48 | phix | zykotick9: ok |
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| 02:08.04 | Kage` | The purpose of the SOCKS5 is to tunnel some, but not all traffic via the VPN. |
| 02:08.05 | phix | Kage`: just use OpenVPN |
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| 02:08.28 | Kage` | phix, I have not found OpenVPN to be selective |
| 02:08.35 | Kage` | it's either all traffic or none |
| 02:09.02 | tengulre | hi,all |
| 02:09.07 | phix | Kage`: and? OpenVPN is sets up the link, if you want to restrict or limit traffic then use a firewall or traffic shaping |
| 02:09.19 | phix | s/is// |
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| 02:09.34 | Kage` | phix, That's not quite sufficient for what I intend to do. |
| 02:09.41 | Kage` | Trust me, I need this via SOCKS proxy |
| 02:09.47 | Kage` | OpenVPN does not provide this |
| 02:09.55 | phix | Kage`: What do you need to do? |
| 02:10.25 | phix | Kage`: You can run SOCKS proxy and use iptables to only allow SOCKS over the OpenVPN link |
| 02:10.32 | Kage` | I just told you: I need to route some traffic via SOCKS proxy through a VPN. I intend to do this via a VPS. |
| 02:11.10 | phix | so that is not what you have to do, that is just the implementation you have chosen, what is your actual use case? |
| 02:11.19 | Kage` | That's irrelevant. |
| 02:11.27 | phix | No it's not :) it;s the entire point |
| 02:11.48 | Kage` | Okay, fine. I need to tunnel certain web traffic through my work VPN. Good enough for you? |
| 02:11.59 | phix | awesome! thnx |
| 02:12.25 | Kage` | And by certain I mean an entire web browser dedicated to work activities. |
| 02:12.27 | phix | Using squid and OpenVPN might be a better option |
| 02:12.30 | Kage` | Ergo, SOCKS |
| 02:12.39 | Kage` | And this is not just web traffic |
| 02:12.43 | Kage` | Ergo again, SOCKS |
| 02:13.10 | phix | ok |
| 02:13.38 | phix | Assuming all of the applications you want to use over SOCKS supports it :) |
| 02:13.46 | Kage` | They do. |
| 02:13.52 | Kage` | As I said, it's irrelevant. |
| 02:14.06 | phix | I would still use routing but what ever, have fun with that |
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| 02:14.22 | Kage` | The point is, I need SSH-tunneled traffic to exit my VPS via a VPN connection. |
| 02:14.54 | abrotman | phix: if you don't want to help, you don't have to answer |
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| 02:15.21 | Kage` | The problem is, there is effectively no literature on this. The closest I've found is this: https://airvpn.org/index.php?option=com_kunena&func=view&catid=3&id=1928&Itemid=142 |
| 02:15.24 | Kage` | But that provides no configs |
| 02:15.25 | phix | abrotman: I attempted to but (s)he wasn't interested in my suggestion |
| 02:15.28 | Kage` | Only some vague info |
| 02:15.39 | abrotman | phix: fine, use /ignore |
| 02:15.42 | Kage` | phix, I don't need your alternatives. I need this method. |
| 02:15.47 | DebianUsr | oh my god |
| 02:15.49 | DebianUsr | stop being babies |
| 02:15.50 | phix | abrotman: yup |
| 02:15.52 | DebianUsr | seriously |
| 02:15.53 | DebianUsr | stop |
| 02:16.19 | Kage` | O..kay..? |
| 02:16.20 | abrotman | he says as he whines .. |
| 02:16.32 | phix | abrotman: :) |
| 02:16.46 | Kage` | Anyway, anyone have any actual config suggestions for this? |
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| 02:17.11 | tomman | Mmmm... now I get why GRUB2 wasn't playing nicely on my box. |
| 02:17.18 | abrotman | Kage`: i'd probably hit a mailing list. Probably a better place to explain your rationale and your setup |
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| 02:17.23 | tengulre11 | hi,all |
| 02:17.27 | abrotman | tomman: your computer is from 1997? |
| 02:17.32 | tomman | the /boot alone isn't enough to get around the 32GB BIOS limit. |
| 02:17.37 | tomman | Actually, YES |
| 02:17.45 | tomman | The motherboard was made in 1997 |
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| 02:17.52 | tomman | it's a Pentium MMX @ 225MHz |
| 02:18.08 | tomman | it has been my main router/print server/firewall/pr0n box since 2006. |
| 02:18.13 | abrotman | tomman: 233Mhz? |
| 02:18.23 | tomman | 233, but underclocked to 225 |
| 02:18.35 | dvs | O_O |
| 02:18.43 | abrotman | dvs: cause slower is cooler |
| 02:18.45 | tomman | It has been running some canned Sid since then (Knoppix 5.0.1) |
| 02:18.57 | tomman | but now I decided to bring it back to the... future? |
| 02:19.15 | dvs | is cool |
| 02:19.16 | tomman | It even has a 250GB HDD that works nicely. |
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| 02:20.10 | thinkerweb | I would like a program like nload that I can run on my router from my desktop, anyone know of one? |
| 02:20.30 | thinkerweb | or do these things have to be router apps |
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| 02:21.29 | tomman | Anyway, I got it why this thing was unbootable: /boot was below the 32GB boundary, but / was not. |
| 02:21.44 | tomman | and since GRUB2 now loads some crap from /usr... |
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| 02:22.00 | tomman | I feel kinda dumb :P |
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| 02:22.15 | tomman | Too used to grub-legacy. |
| 02:22.51 | phix | tomman: wow that is nisougic (sp?) |
| 02:23.16 | Devastator | My Pentium 233 is my spare router :P |
| 02:23.31 | tomman | Electricity is cheap where I live, but gadgets aren't. |
| 02:23.40 | phix | oh yeah, I have a 486 DX2 66MHz laying around somewhere :) |
| 02:23.43 | Devastator | such a reliable hardware |
| 02:23.46 | tomman | I've had that box since college, and it's now the main router at home. |
| 02:23.47 | abrotman | tomman: all working now? |
| 02:23.50 | tomman | 24/7. |
| 02:24.00 | tomman | Well, I'm still reinstalling. |
| 02:24.34 | tomman | but now I made a 10GB /, which should be more than enough. |
| 02:24.56 | tomman | and well below the 32GB limit. |
| 02:25.06 | tomman | Anyway, I'm not going to run X there EVER. |
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| 02:32.28 | guma | is /etc/network/interfaces a proper place to add static routes? between reboots? |
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| 02:33.22 | abrotman | guma: probably a post-up script called from the interfaces file |
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| 02:34.34 | guma | abrotman: Thanx. I just switched from CentOS and trying to figure this... |
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| 02:38.27 | tomman | Is pumpd still used to refresh DHCP leases on Wheezy? Since NetworkManager seems to be very tied to GUIs and stuff, I wonder if things are still the same for headless setups... |
| 02:39.06 | tomman | Basically I'm upgrading from whatever was in Sid in late '06 to Wheezy. |
| 02:39.28 | tomman | so I hope that I don't heed to do any heavy modifications to my scripts and settings. |
| 02:41.23 | abrotman | tomman: isc-dhcp-client ? |
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| 02:41.47 | tomman | Mmmm... I've never dealt with that one. |
| 02:41.53 | tomman | but with isc-dhcp-server. |
| 02:42.15 | tomman | Basically I ask because of this: |
| 02:42.30 | Towzzer | can you believe the package isn't named dhcp-server anymore? |
| 02:42.30 | tomman | My ISP sets my MTU to 576 |
| 02:42.50 | tomman | but some apps *cough*Steam*cough* hate these. |
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| 02:43.15 | tomman | I had a custom script called by pumpd on every lease renew to reset my MTU to 1500. |
| 02:43.30 | tomman | so I'm thinking on how I'm going to migrate that. |
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| 02:45.14 | Towzzer | isn't automatic mtu discovery something you don't want |
| 02:45.22 | Towzzer | I think the client determines the max mtu |
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| 02:46.13 | tomman | Well, basically my ISP i sending on that DHCP lease package that the client should use a MTU of 576. |
| 02:46.26 | tomman | and pumpd obey that. |
| 02:46.33 | tomman | No app complained... until Steam |
| 02:46.44 | tomman | after like 3 hours of headaches and Wireshark, that was my only solution |
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| 02:56.19 | DebianUsr | is there a way i can restart my gui without restarting my entire system. i tried service gdm restart, does not work. not recongized. |
| 02:57.15 | EagleRock | DebianUsr: /etc/init.d/gdm restart |
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| 02:57.23 | DebianUsr | Thank you Eagle |
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| 03:01.09 | DebianUsr | EagleRock; command not found, is that normal? |
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| 03:01.53 | EagleRock | DebianUsr: are you running as root? you can also use "invoke-rc.d gdm restart" |
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| 03:02.15 | mikael_ | my friends i have a question if i may |
| 03:02.35 | EagleRock | !justask |
| 03:02.36 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 03:02.43 | mikael_ | i'm using squeeze |
| 03:02.45 | mikael_ | it's good |
| 03:02.56 | mikael_ | but i would like to get the latest rhythmbox |
| 03:03.01 | mikael_ | or audacious |
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| 03:03.10 | mikael_ | u think it works |
| 03:03.10 | abrotman | !tell mikael_ about squeeze->wheezy |
| 03:03.20 | abrotman | DebianUsr: might be /etc/init.d/gdm3 |
| 03:03.27 | mikael_ | i know weezy is newer |
| 03:03.36 | mikael_ | but i like the stability of squeeze |
| 03:03.42 | DebianUsr | thanks abrotman, EagleRock |
| 03:03.52 | mikael_ | still i would just like to have rhythmbox latest or audacious |
| 03:03.53 | abrotman | mikael_: that's the easiest way to get a newer set of apps |
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| 03:03.59 | mikael_ | has anyone pull it off |
| 03:04.07 | EagleRock | ugh...forgot about that...I usually tab-complete it |
| 03:04.25 | abrotman | mikael_: you'd have to compile newer GTK too .. and who knows what else .. |
| 03:05.05 | mikael_ | so i guess not |
| 03:05.30 | mikael_ | then another question cuz i've been looking for this but i just couldn't get my way through the debian site |
| 03:05.43 | mikael_ | when will wheezy become the stable distro? |
| 03:05.55 | abrotman | no set date |
| 03:06.06 | mikael_ | not even aproximate? |
| 03:06.27 | Towzzer | probably like 2-3 months? |
| 03:06.35 | abrotman | or 5-6 |
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| 03:06.46 | EagleRock | still RC bugs to fix |
| 03:06.48 | abrotman | depends how quickly RC bugs are fixed, and how many more are found |
| 03:06.55 | EagleRock | !tell mikael_ about freeze |
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| 03:07.44 | mikael_ | thanks eagle rock |
| 03:07.47 | mikael_ | june 30th |
| 03:08.01 | mikael_ | that means that wheezy is still pretty stable |
| 03:08.05 | EagleRock | June 30th was the freeze date, not the release date |
| 03:08.09 | mikael_ | the reason i'm asking is because |
| 03:08.23 | mikael_ | i had ubuntu and the 12.10 was crashing all the time |
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| 03:08.28 | mikael_ | it was really frustrating |
| 03:08.34 | mikael_ | linux mint was the same |
| 03:08.41 | mikael_ | i'm just looking for a stable os |
| 03:09.18 | EagleRock | mikael_: not terribly surprised...IMHO a frozen Debian Testing is far more stable than ubuntu or linux mint |
| 03:09.41 | mikael_ | if it's not too much of your time |
| 03:09.48 | mikael_ | what gnome does wheezy use? |
| 03:09.54 | mikael_ | 2 or the new one? |
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| 03:10.59 | EagleRock | gnome 3.4 I believe |
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| 03:13.34 | well_laid_lawn | is there an easy way to tell if I'm using ddr, ddr2, ddr3 memory from the command line? |
| 03:13.55 | dvs | meminfo? |
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| 03:14.28 | well_laid_lawn | it doesn't give that info |
| 03:14.34 | well_laid_lawn | unfortunately |
| 03:14.48 | LtL | well_laid_lawn: dmidecode may |
| 03:15.16 | EagleRock | well_laid_lawn: lshw, possibly |
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| 03:15.27 | well_laid_lawn | LtL: yes I believe dmidecode does but it's not included on live cd's generally |
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| 03:16.52 | LtL | well_laid_lawn: well you could always yank out a memory stick, kinda overkill |
| 03:17.04 | well_laid_lawn | grepping lshw for ddr works, I'll go with that |
| 03:17.07 | well_laid_lawn | cheers |
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| 03:24.42 | Flynsarmy | free -m shows 800MB memory used, 200MB free. If I do a top -c I only have 1 app using 3% memory and the rest are 0. how can i find out what's using all my memory? |
| 03:25.17 | abrotman | Flynsarmy: how much in buffers/cache? |
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| 03:25.32 | Flynsarmy | abrotman: 46 buffers, 644 cached |
| 03:25.37 | abrotman | there you go |
| 03:25.47 | abrotman | !tell Flynsarmy about free ram |
| 03:25.47 | Flynsarmy | abrotman: i'm a bit of a noob. can you explain what the issue is? |
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| 03:27.10 | Flynsarmy | abrotman: i've been having an issue lately where ram will randomly go down to 7MB free and my site goes down. so i don't agree with dpkg's 'free ram is wasted ram' theory |
| 03:27.29 | abrotman | you can think that if you like, it's sitll correct |
| 03:27.34 | abrotman | !tell Flynsarmy about am i swapping |
| 03:27.45 | abrotman | that's possibly more relevant to your site going donw |
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| 03:28.32 | Flynsarmy | abrotman: so line is 0 all the time |
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| 03:29.50 | abrotman | now or when it's dying? |
| 03:30.05 | Flynsarmy | now. is there a way i can clear that cached value? |
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| 03:30.27 | abrotman | Flynsarmy: the point is that the buffers are used when nothing else needs RAM |
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| 03:30.58 | Flynsarmy | i think it was a random mysql memory spike that caused me to run out of ram the first time. is the cache full of that garbage now? |
| 03:31.09 | abrotman | random? |
| 03:31.15 | abrotman | have you checked your system logs? |
| 03:31.22 | abrotman | what's your current "uname -r" ? |
| 03:31.44 | Flynsarmy | abrotman: 2.6.32-5-amd64 didn't check system logs because i dont really know how to read them |
| 03:32.00 | abrotman | Flynsarmy: but you'd be able to see if a process had been killed by the OOM |
| 03:32.35 | Flynsarmy | i ended up stopping the mysql service which took my RAM from 7MB free up to 800. then it dropped back to 200 which appears to be cache |
| 03:34.16 | Flynsarmy | . /var/log/syslog has logs for may 23 in it…nothing for today that i can see |
| 03:34.25 | abrotman | may 23rd? |
| 03:34.29 | abrotman | that's the last log line? |
| 03:34.35 | Flynsarmy | yep |
| 03:34.39 | abrotman | like, may 23rd, 2012? |
| 03:34.54 | Flynsarmy | May 23 11:36:15 flynsarmy rsyslogd: [origin software="rsyslogd" swVersion="4.6.4" x-pid="540" x-info="http://www.rsyslog.com"] exiting on signal 15. |
| 03:34.57 | Flynsarmy | that's the last line in the file |
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| 03:35.03 | abrotman | your logger died |
| 03:35.33 | Flynsarmy | the machine has been restarted many times since may 23. wouldn't the logger start back up on boot? |
| 03:35.48 | abrotman | i have no idea .. i haven't configured your server, normally yes |
| 03:36.05 | Flynsarmy | how do you start the logger? |
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| 03:36.25 | abrotman | init script |
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| 03:40.00 | Flynsarmy | soudns like it's time to abandon this sinking ship >.< reformat time |
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| 04:17.12 | cheasee | hi |
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| 04:22.22 | cheasee | im on testing/wheezy and need to downgrade php from 5.4 to 5.3 - ive googled and found a possibility by using "apt-get remove php5; dpkg --force php5_5.3.3-7+squeeze8_all.deb; dpkg --set-selections PHP5 hold" first im unsure if this is the right pkg(i guess it would be libapache2-mod-php5) and second im unsure if this is a good solution or if there is a better one im unaware of? |
| 04:23.30 | cheasee | (and third, im using aptitude instead apt-get/apt-cache/..) |
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| 04:28.41 | shawnbon206 | what do you guys think of ubuntu server LTS |
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| 04:29.54 | tomman | Damn, grub-install/update-grub take like forever on this old iron... |
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| 04:34.51 | tomman | Aaaaaand... IT BOOTS! |
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| 04:37.12 | tomman | Yup, this one is alive. Lesson learned: /boot is useless for GRUB2 if dealing with BIOS HDD size caps. |
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| 04:40.00 | nevyn | huh? |
| 04:40.59 | adh0c | Anyone mind answering a question about mod_security? |
| 04:41.46 | adh0c | To disable a rule across all domains on a server, can one simply comment out the rule in the relevant /etc/modsecurity2 file? |
| 04:41.53 | adh0c | Or is there a cleaner way of doing this? |
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| 04:56.59 | grothendieck | Simply commenting out that rule would be the best way to do it |
| 04:57.11 | grothendieck | I can't think of a better way to do it, at least |
| 04:57.59 | grothendieck | oh, he left |
| 04:58.02 | grothendieck | some people! |
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| 05:15.17 | sq9 | hi, i have a Debian 6 machine which crashed, i had to turn off the power and turn it back on to get it to work |
| 05:15.49 | sq9 | which logs should i be looking at for the possible causes for the crash? /var/log/syslog & messages seem normal |
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| 05:16.45 | azizLIGHTS | what gnome version does squeeze use |
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| 05:19.05 | zykotick9 | azizLIGHTS: like gnome2 or you want the specific version? |
| 05:19.24 | azizLIGHTS | yeah like gnome2 or 3? |
| 05:19.27 | grothendieck | azizLIGHTS: 2.30 |
| 05:19.33 | grothendieck | http://wiki.debian.org/Gnome |
| 05:19.35 | azizLIGHTS | how about sid? |
| 05:19.49 | zykotick9 | azizLIGHTS: wheezy/sid use gnome3 |
| 05:19.49 | grothendieck | check the link or lrn2google |
| 05:20.14 | azizLIGHTS | do you guys like gnome 3? |
| 05:20.21 | grothendieck | wheezy and sid are both on 3.4 |
| 05:21.06 | grothendieck | azizLIGHTS: I can't speak for anybody else, but no I was turned off by Gnome 3. |
| 05:21.19 | azizLIGHTS | grothendieck: so wat do you use then? |
| 05:21.23 | grothendieck | xfce |
| 05:21.26 | azizLIGHTS | aha! |
| 05:21.52 | azizLIGHTS | good thinking |
| 05:21.57 | azizLIGHTS | ill do the same |
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| 05:22.12 | grothendieck | I recommend xfce, it's a pretty solid desktop environment |
| 05:22.35 | azizLIGHTS | i used it on debian sarge and etch before, was nice then. its probably better now |
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| 05:22.40 | grothendieck | yeah it is |
| 05:23.02 | grothendieck | gnome keeps getting worse and xfce keeps getting better |
| 05:23.25 | Technodrome | linux on desktop …..heh |
| 05:23.45 | azizLIGHTS | i still ahve the same old computer, i hope the graphics work. i tried linux mint and it doesnt like my geforce fx 5200 at all. i output video to a tv through s-video and its continuously scrolling down on the tv and gui keeps crashing. so i am gonna come back to my debian |
| 05:23.59 | azizLIGHTS | and see if we're still good |
| 05:24.04 | grothendieck | lol, yeah good luck :P |
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| 05:24.11 | overjoyedpulp | i liked gnome3 at first, but now i just customized xfce to look like gnome2 and im much happier |
| 05:24.21 | grothendieck | Technodrome: what's weird about linux on the desktop? |
| 05:24.34 | azizLIGHTS | overjoyedpulp: can i see what your desktop looks like, im curious now |
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| 05:25.38 | Technodrome | nothing weird but desktop osx i think is best, commercial apps + unix |
| 05:26.27 | overjoyedpulp | yeah, gimme a sec, for some reason it's not takign a screenshot |
| 05:26.56 | overjoyedpulp | it's nothing to special though |
| 05:26.57 | grothendieck | azizLIGHTS: here's mine http://i.imgur.com/Au7sqBs.png |
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| 05:27.44 | azizLIGHTS | grothendieck: xfce now has a dock? |
| 05:27.52 | azizLIGHTS | oh wait xfce always had a dock |
| 05:28.02 | azizLIGHTS | neat |
| 05:28.59 | grothendieck | yup |
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| 05:29.22 | grothendieck | I'm using squeeze, btw |
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| 05:30.24 | tomman | How I can get a list of installed/active daemons on Wheezy via commandline? |
| 05:30.48 | grothendieck | service --status-all |
| 05:30.52 | quietone | how do I remove openoffice without installing abiword? |
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| 05:31.40 | grothendieck | quietone: how are those two things at all related? |
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| 05:32.19 | grothendieck | I have neither openoffice nor abiword installed... |
| 05:32.55 | quietone | apt-get --purge remove openoffice.org-core tells me it will install NEW packages |
| 05:34.54 | grothendieck | quietone: oh, you're right |
| 05:34.56 | grothendieck | that is weird |
| 05:34.56 | grothendieck | try |
| 05:34.59 | overjoyedpulp | azizLIGHTS -- am i supposed to msg the link to dpkg or just paste the link into the chat? |
| 05:35.11 | grothendieck | aptitude purge openoffice.org-base |
| 05:35.16 | azizLIGHTS | paste it here overjoyedpulp |
| 05:35.51 | overjoyedpulp | http://en.zimagez.com/zimage/screenshotdf4e44c80cf1e84d91564f1bec9b3980.php |
| 05:36.25 | azizLIGHTS | ha that does look like gnome |
| 05:36.43 | overjoyedpulp | it's not exactly the same but it works for me haha |
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| 05:36.55 | azizLIGHTS | overjoyedpulp: very cool |
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| 05:37.37 | overjoyedpulp | not going to lie i used a tutorial from a website showing you how to make ubuntu look like it had gnome2 on it with a radiance theme to start from |
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| 05:37.49 | overjoyedpulp | but the particular computer i have debian on cant handle gnome 3 too well |
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| 05:38.05 | grothendieck | my eyes can't handle gnome 3 too well |
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| 05:41.48 | quietone | grothendieck, yes, aptitude did it |
| 05:41.53 | grothendieck | cool |
| 05:42.33 | grothendieck | I asssume the reason for this is desktop environment has a dependency on some office suite being installed |
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| 05:43.28 | grothendieck | overzealous meta-package |
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| 05:43.40 | grothendieck | emacs is all the office sutie I need :P |
| 05:44.59 | grothendieck | does anybody know if it is correct to have files under apache2 docroot owned by www-data? |
| 05:45.31 | grothendieck | or does it not matter who they are owned by as long as not owned by root? |
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| 05:46.23 | grothendieck | could an attacker easily leverage an escalation to root by compromising the www-data user? |
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| 06:12.18 | somiaj | most likely not easily. There would still need to be a local root exploit. So it has the same risk as allowing users acess to run scripts. |
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| 06:13.28 | somiaj | owning the file system allows them to put custom binaries, but with uptodate security patches there shouldnt' be any known local exploits. |
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| 06:32.35 | tomman | So far, so good... Man, I suck at setting up routers... |
| 06:32.51 | tomman | but at least this ol' Pentium is back to business, running a shiny new Wheezy setup. |
| 06:33.07 | tomman | Now... to figure out what else do I need to fix. |
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| 07:24.26 | zro | any idea why if I "dd if=/dev/dvd of=dvd.iso" the resulting file is only 712k ? |
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| 07:33.18 | grothendieck | block size? |
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| 07:37.55 | meLon | My cursor is getting trapped on display 0.1. Any ideas on what could cause this? (Gnome AMD) |
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| 07:38.40 | somiaj | zro: does /dev/dvd point to a full dvd? |
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| 07:38.56 | sarkis | if i have the latest squeeze all upgraded, should /etc/issue say 6.0? |
| 07:39.08 | sarkis | will it not show incrementals? |
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| 07:39.22 | somiaj | sarkis: you are thinking of /etc/debian_version |
| 07:39.27 | sarkis | oh right |
| 07:39.33 | somiaj | sarkis: but lsb_release is a better way to check your version |
| 07:39.45 | anew | how do i download firefox on debian? when i do sudo apt-get firefox it fails |
| 07:39.58 | grothendieck | iceweasel is firefox on debian |
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| 07:40.19 | somiaj | anew: what version of debian do you run? |
| 07:40.24 | sarkis | cool thanks! |
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| 07:40.43 | anew | somiaj not sure i am using raspberry pi, normally i use ubuntu. let me check |
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| 07:41.26 | grothendieck | !iceweasel |
| 07:41.26 | dpkg | Iceweasel is a DFSG-free fork of <firefox>, which replaced Firefox in Debian since Etch. Ask me about <why iceweasel> and <iceweasel user-agent>. In GNOME, sse gnome-default-applications-properties to change settings such as the mail reader. See also <iceweasel backports>. It is not GNU's Firefox fork (now known as <IceCat>). http://wiki.debian.org/Iceweasel |
| 07:41.34 | somiaj | anew: I was just gonna suggestion mozilla.debian.net |
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| 07:41.58 | anew | yeah i dont want iceweasel |
| 07:42.01 | grothendieck | I think it is only wheezey that is being used on rapsberry pi |
| 07:42.03 | anew | plus it says it's not installed anyway |
| 07:42.05 | grothendieck | anew: what is the difference? |
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| 07:42.17 | grothendieck | 'apt-get install iceweasel' |
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| 07:42.20 | Hydroxide | anew: on raspberry pi, the default distribution is raspbian, which #debian and Debian both do not maintain or support |
| 07:42.21 | grothendieck | it's the same browser |
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| 07:42.24 | anew | i need full version i'm testing something |
| 07:42.30 | grothendieck | it is the full vesion |
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| 07:42.33 | anew | i read iceweasel is not the full version |
| 07:42.37 | grothendieck | where? |
| 07:42.38 | grothendieck | you read nonsense |
| 07:42.50 | Aiox | what |
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| 07:43.03 | Aiox | anew, iceweasel is like any other browser |
| 07:43.15 | Aiox | more like, where has there been a "Trial" browser |
| 07:43.16 | anew | yeah i'm using scripts for firefox |
| 07:43.27 | Hydroxide | anew: it's the same firefox code from mozilla, with a few tweaks and integrations to meet Debian's needs, including a rebranding to satisfy Mozilla's trademark concerns. firefox scripts and extensions usually work fine |
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| 07:43.37 | grothendieck | anew: iceweasel is exactly the same code as firefox |
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| 07:43.44 | KsM | Isn't Midori the typical/suggested browser for the raspberry pi anyway |
| 07:43.45 | Aiox | just different look |
| 07:43.48 | Hydroxide | anew: I use several firefox extensions myself, including ones installed from addons.mozilla.org |
| 07:43.51 | grothendieck | the only difference is mozilla trademarks are removed |
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| 07:44.09 | Hydroxide | grothendieck: that's not the only difference... but it is the biggest one :) |
| 07:44.16 | grothendieck | anew: it is not even a different look - it is simply a different icon and a different name |
| 07:44.20 | grothendieck | it is literally the only difference |
| 07:44.26 | grothendieck | oh, and I think maybe user agent string is different |
| 07:44.28 | Aiox | oh...right |
| 07:44.44 | Aiox | it's been a while since i have last used Debian |
| 07:44.47 | Hydroxide | grothendieck: no, that's misleading - if it were the only difference, we'd be providing firefox now that the logo copyright got fixed. but there are no major differences |
| 07:44.49 | grothendieck | debian cannot used 'firefox' or that icon because they are trademarked by mozilla |
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| 07:45.06 | Aiox | aka close-sourced |
| 07:45.09 | grothendieck | what are other differences? |
| 07:45.13 | Hydroxide | grothendieck: debian used to have trademark permission too |
| 07:45.21 | anew | yeah what are the other differences |
| 07:45.31 | Hydroxide | grothendieck: for example, debian handles browser updating via apt-get instead of via mozilla's auto-update |
| 07:45.33 | grothendieck | yes, but mozilla revoked the agreement to let debian use their trademarks |
| 07:45.42 | Hydroxide | grothendieck: and debian doesn't have to get mozilla's pre-approval to release security updates |
| 07:45.48 | grothendieck | yes, that is better |
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| 07:45.54 | grothendieck | mozilla auto-update sucks anyway |
| 07:46.01 | Hydroxide | and debian doesn't ship mozilla's closed-source bits like their crash reporter, I think |
| 07:46.32 | Hydroxide | anyway, as you said, it's mostly the same for end-user purposes, except occasionally overzealously browser-sniffing sites require a user-agent tweak (doable with about:config or User Agent Switcher or your favorite other solution) |
| 07:46.35 | grothendieck | oh, they change the "about" string too |
| 07:46.41 | grothendieck | :P |
| 07:46.44 | Hydroxide | yup :) |
| 07:46.56 | grothendieck | anew: iceweasel is effectively the exact same browser as firefox |
| 07:47.12 | anew | i'm tweaking the user-agent string myself actually |
| 07:47.25 | anew | will there be a problem with that in iceweasel ? |
| 07:47.31 | Hydroxide | the only site I currently have to do that with is TurboTax Online, and last year's edition didn't even require that (I just had to click through an unsupported browser warning) - however I have to pretend to be windows firefox, not just linux firefox |
| 07:47.32 | grothendieck | I am currently writing automated tests with selenium all day for my job |
| 07:47.35 | Hydroxide | anew: no problem |
| 07:47.38 | Hydroxide | anew: nope |
| 07:47.40 | anew | ok |
| 07:47.54 | anew | perl selenium or python ? |
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| 07:48.19 | Hydroxide | anew: if you want Firefox 10 Extended Support Release, use Iceweasel 10 as shipped in wheezy. if you want newer Firefox, use the corresponding Iceweasel from http://mozilla.debian.net/ |
| 07:48.36 | grothendieck | and my tests are meant to target firefox are run against iceweasel (I actually get xpaths I need to use out of Firefox running on Mac OS X, then put them in a script that runs selenium against Iceweasel on a debian box in a VM) |
| 07:48.37 | anew | iceweasel didnt come with wheezy i had to apt-get.. .just did, now to see how everything runs |
| 07:48.41 | grothendieck | perl selenium |
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| 07:48.52 | anew | wh do you use selenium and not mech::firefox ? |
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| 07:49.08 | Hydroxide | anew: if you can apt-get it without having to add any repositories to your sources.list or sources.list.d, that's still wheezy, just not installed by default |
| 07:49.18 | anew | ah ok |
| 07:49.25 | grothendieck | anew: legacy reasons, among others |
| 07:49.33 | Hydroxide | anew: it's version 10 because of Mozilla's extended support policy for that release. newer stuff is available via http://mozilla.debian.net/ |
| 07:49.41 | anew | still trying to figure out how to xming with putty here... is that a raspberrypi question or a debian question ? |
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| 07:49.54 | grothendieck | pribaby raspberry pi |
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| 07:50.02 | anew | ok |
| 07:50.06 | grothendieck | probably* |
| 07:50.14 | Hydroxide | !raspbian |
| 07:50.15 | dpkg | Raspbian is a distribution <based on Debian> made specifically for the <Raspberry Pi>. Please use #raspbian on irc.freenode.net for support. http://www.raspbian.org/ |
| 07:50.19 | Hydroxide | anew: you can get help there :) |
| 07:50.34 | anew | cool thanks very helpful |
| 07:50.38 | grothendieck | np |
| 07:50.48 | Hydroxide | anew: also, if you're doing the apt-get about iceweasel on raspbian, I have no idea how well the different versions etc will work there |
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| 07:51.11 | Hydroxide | like, there's a reason we don't support it here - not only do we not have the manpower, we often just don't know :) |
| 07:51.24 | grothendieck | if you see places on the internet where somebody claims iceweasel is not significantly different from firefox, it would be good to correct them |
| 07:51.27 | anew | you don't support iceweasel or rpi ? |
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| 07:51.50 | Hydroxide | anew: rpi |
| 07:51.58 | anew | ok |
| 07:52.05 | Aiox | hmm |
| 07:52.11 | grothendieck | I think we really support whatever anybody who is around feels like talking about that is reasonably debian-related topic |
| 07:52.13 | Hydroxide | we do support iceweasel |
| 07:52.18 | grothendieck | iceweasel would be reasonable to discuss |
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| 07:52.31 | Aiox | iceweasel or iceape, which would you recommend? |
| 07:52.49 | Hydroxide | grothendieck: the channel does have its policies, and for good reasons - e.g. ubuntu is often "reasonably debian-related" but it changes so much under the hood it's not feasible to support new users here |
| 07:52.56 | grothendieck | raspbian specific stuff is better to discuss on their channel, since more people there can answer your question |
| 07:53.01 | Hydroxide | grothendieck: and testing/sid support belongs in #debian-next on irc.debian.org aka oftc |
| 07:53.05 | anew | hmm ok so to start iceweasel is just |
| 07:53.07 | grothendieck | well yeah |
| 07:53.09 | anew | iceweasel |
| 07:53.10 | anew | right lol |
| 07:53.14 | Hydroxide | anew: yup :) |
| 07:53.30 | Hydroxide | anew: should look very similar to Firefox of the equivalent version, except for logos etc |
| 07:53.30 | anew | ah there we go... must be slow because of rpi |
| 07:53.49 | Hydroxide | anew: yeah it shouldn't be meaningfully different speed from firefox |
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| 07:54.32 | grothendieck | yeah, you can expect the same levels of sluggishness :P |
| 07:54.46 | anew | so ... probably a stupid question, but if i'm running xming is the lag because i'm viewing my OS from another machine? like is this running faster on the host than i'm seeing? |
| 07:55.01 | grothendieck | tough question |
| 07:55.18 | grothendieck | depends on your network connection and the load on both remote host and your local machine |
| 07:55.30 | anew | ok |
| 07:55.33 | grothendieck | (though more with the load and IO wait on the remote host) |
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| 07:55.50 | Hydroxide | it's generally faster to run these things locally too, but yeah, all the variables grothendieck mentioned play a role |
| 07:55.52 | grothendieck | packet loss when pinging the remote host suggests the lag is network related |
| 07:55.58 | Hydroxide | locally == on the same machine |
| 07:56.18 | Hydroxide | in addition to packet loss, also ping times in the hundreds of ms or more range |
| 07:56.21 | anew | so ... if i start my script on not the host |
| 07:56.21 | grothendieck | 'iostat -x 1' reporting a high I/O wait % means it is related to disk IO |
| 07:56.25 | anew | and then close my remote connection |
| 07:56.36 | anew | will it then go into 'normal' speed on the host ? |
| 07:56.46 | anew | so i start the script on remote, then close the connection... |
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| 07:57.11 | grothendieck | can you rephrase that? |
| 07:57.22 | anew | yeah sorry brain fart |
| 07:57.33 | Hydroxide | if you are running iceweasel (or firefox) on a raspberry pi, there's no way you're likely to get it to go fast, period, no matter who provides the build |
| 07:57.44 | Hydroxide | it's a heavyweight program |
| 07:57.48 | Hydroxide | and a lightweight machine |
| 07:58.04 | anew | so i am on my remote machine, i connect to the host (the rpi)... i start my script from the remote machine. here i see a little lag. so i then turn off my remote connection, does the script speed up a little since there is no remote connection now |
| 07:58.21 | grothendieck | oh |
| 07:58.38 | grothendieck | yes, I imagine it would |
| 07:59.08 | Hydroxide | probably depends - if the script was relying on the remote connection, it might fail entirely |
| 07:59.31 | grothendieck | run it in screen, detatch, then logout |
| 07:59.36 | anew | yeah |
| 07:59.37 | anew | ok cool |
| 07:59.45 | Hydroxide | if it wasn't relying on it AND wasn't displaying iceweasel remotely, it probably wouldn't affect much |
| 08:00.08 | anew | it's actually not even *that slow... prtty cool rpi |
| 08:00.10 | Hydroxide | if you're displaying iceweasel remotely in some way that can avoid killing it when you disconnect, then disconnecting might be okay |
| 08:00.17 | Hydroxide | cool |
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| 08:00.45 | grothendieck | if a program is printing a lot of really long strings quickly, then the IO to stdout can slow down execution considerably |
| 08:01.05 | Hydroxide | yeah. I almost added a mention of that |
| 08:01.07 | Hydroxide | but quite right |
| 08:01.08 | Hydroxide | :) |
| 08:01.28 | Hydroxide | defaults to too verbose, and occasionally overcorrects :) |
| 08:01.32 | grothendieck | :P |
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| 08:03.21 | grothendieck | why do you need to run iceweasel on the raspberry pi? |
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| 08:04.51 | anew | hey sorry just saw ur message now |
| 08:05.05 | anew | i'm controlling firefox |
| 08:05.06 | grothendieck | it would probably be better to use your browser on rasppi over VNC to iceweasel on a headless debian VM on your desktop/server |
| 08:05.20 | anew | my broswer |
| 08:05.23 | anew | u mean on the remote ? |
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| 08:06.53 | grothendieck | is there a specific reason you need firefox to actually run on the raspberry pi, or could you control firefox running somewhere else and then just view it from the raspberry pi? |
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| 08:07.07 | grothendieck | view it over VNC, for example |
| 08:07.14 | anew | yeah but then when i'm sleeping how can i control firefox |
| 08:07.40 | grothendieck | i.e., I could open up a VNC connection to my server at work, run a selenium script (executing on a debian VM on my work server), and view it here on my desktop |
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| 08:08.15 | grothendieck | are you using something like selenium or mech::firefox? |
| 08:08.18 | anew | yeah would be good, but i need to use firefox when my pc is off |
| 08:08.27 | grothendieck | oh |
| 08:08.28 | anew | and when i'm sleeping |
| 08:08.39 | anew | shoot had a question now i forgot |
| 08:08.51 | grothendieck | I'll be around |
| 08:08.56 | anew | k |
| 08:08.58 | grothendieck | feel free to msg me if I don't reply |
| 08:09.06 | anew | oh great thanks man |
| 08:09.09 | grothendieck | np |
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| 08:11.17 | takis_GR | good morning. How can add a mount-unmount icon in my lxpanel??? |
| 08:11.58 | ExeciN | when I boot debian and then boot back to OSX I can't turn-off/use bluetooth. |
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| 08:15.07 | grothendieck | lol that's weird |
| 08:15.20 | grothendieck | any OS X updates available? |
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| 08:15.55 | grothendieck | and what vesrsions are you using of Debian and OSX, and what hardware are you using? |
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| 08:16.31 | grothendieck | find out if someone can duplicate that, and check the system/kernel logs on both Mac OS and debian |
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| 08:17.38 | killermoehre | hi guys. one question. I want to update some productive machines from 6.0.6 to 6.0.7. What is the prefered way if something is getting fishy in this process? can I roll back the packages? |
| 08:18.39 | takis_GR | good morning. How can add a mount-unmount icon in my lxpanel??? |
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| 08:20.28 | grothendieck | takis_GR: ask #lxde on irc.oftc.org |
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| 08:20.50 | grothendieck | takis_GR: oops, irc.oftc.net |
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| 08:22.26 | grothendieck | I'm off for now, later |
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| 08:38.28 | ^DEMOSS^ | how i can mount read only my raid md0 ? |
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| 08:38.56 | ronny | hi |
| 08:39.04 | ^DEMOSS^ | hi |
| 08:39.22 | bw_ | ^DEMOSS^: mount -o ro /mountpoint/of/your/md0 |
| 08:39.38 | ronny | anyone got an idea how to debug x11 session switching with ctrl+alt+F7-F9 can cause different sets of input devices working sometimes |
| 08:39.52 | ronny | (sometimes after a switch the keyboard or the external mouse wont work) |
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| 08:40.34 | __marco | hi, how can I see the default compile option used for a debian package? |
| 08:40.42 | ^DEMOSS^ | mount -o ro /var/raid /dev/md0 ? |
| 08:41.41 | killermoehre | ^DEMOSS^: mount -o ro /dev/md0 /var/raid |
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| 08:43.38 | ^DEMOSS^ | thnx |
| 08:43.41 | ^DEMOSS^ | =) |
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| 08:46.23 | ^DEMOSS^ | killermoehre: error to read superblock \unable to read superblock |
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| 08:47.28 | killermoehre | ^DEMOSS^: are the mdadm-tools installed? or ist the raid already mounted? do you have an entry for the raid in your /etc/fstab? |
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| 08:48.57 | ^DEMOSS^ | dunno. i build it on opy of my died NAS disks |
| 08:49.18 | ^DEMOSS^ | i have 5 disks on 1 TB in raid 5 on my nas |
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| 08:49.46 | ^DEMOSS^ | but nas is die - i use normal unit server to get my information back |
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| 08:52.11 | zamba | how do i get the neccessary MIB files installed for snmp to work on debian? |
| 08:52.25 | zamba | i have a problem with racktables and performing snmp sync |
| 08:52.38 | ChrisH | ^DEMOSS^: you where able to assemble the Arrray meanwhile? |
| 08:52.44 | zamba | as outlined here: http://www.freelists.org/post/racktables-users/snmp-sync-fail-to-get-any-information |
| 08:52.55 | zamba | and as far as i can understand, this has to be related to the system running? |
| 08:53.13 | jelly-home | ^DEMOSS^: what does file -s /dev/md0 say? |
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| 08:54.40 | ^DEMOSS^ | dev/md0 do not appear to be active |
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| 08:55.27 | jelly-home | ^DEMOSS^: how exactly did you assemble and start it? |
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| 08:56.22 | ^DEMOSS^ | mdadm --assemble --force /dev/md0 /dev/sd[fedcb]3 |
| 08:56.55 | jelly-home | all 5 drives instead of the closest four? |
| 08:57.26 | ^DEMOSS^ | no only4 |
| 08:57.58 | ^DEMOSS^ | ignored dev/sdc3 as filed |
| 08:58.15 | jelly-home | that command shows you tried to add 5 members |
| 08:58.34 | jelly-home | do you have its output as well? |
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| 08:59.46 | ^DEMOSS^ | array assembled at 4 disks |
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| 09:02.12 | jelly-home | ^DEMOSS^: ok, so what does mdadm --detail /dev/md0 say now? |
| 09:02.56 | ^DEMOSS^ | does not apper to be active |
| 09:03.46 | jelly-home | ^DEMOSS^: is there anything in /proc/mdstat at all? |
| 09:03.53 | ^DEMOSS^ | jelly-home: i strt it use --run option |
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| 09:04.30 | jelly-home | I see you're asking in #linux-raid as well, will continue there if I have anything to add |
| 09:05.16 | ^DEMOSS^ | jelly-home: i mount it now 11 )) |
| 09:05.43 | ^DEMOSS^ | jelly-home: parralels is good - i get more powerfull information |
| 09:05.55 | ^DEMOSS^ | jelly-home: thank you for help me ) |
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| 09:31.41 | guardian | hello |
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| 09:32.24 | guardian | I read about 1.2.1-2.2~bpo60+2 on the squeeze backports list. when does it reach the repository? |
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| 09:33.50 | roenie | hmz "fun" little issue - irssi uses Alt+0-9 per default for channel switching, but apparently i have a problem with that because only Esc+0-9 works but Alt+# doesn't... i tried editing /etc/default/keyboard to no avail, is there something else i need to do to get that to process? |
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| 09:37.22 | CybDev | roenie: running in a terminal emulator? |
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| 09:37.50 | roenie | no |
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| 09:40.17 | roenie | alt+# gives me ² ³ |
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| 09:47.54 | shomon | dpkg: skype |
| 09:47.55 | dpkg | Skype is a proprietary cross-platform <VoIP> service and application owned by Microsoft. Debian cannot distribute the application due to its restrictive license and is therefore not supported in #debian. See http://wiki.debian.org/skype and ask me about <skype squeeze> for community-contributed information. Consider using a free software alternative such as <ekiga>, <empathy> or <linphone>. |
| 09:48.11 | shomon | dpkg skype squeeze |
| 09:48.11 | dpkg | To install <skype> in Debian 6.0 "Squeeze", you need to grab the "Generic Dynamic" version of Skype (not the .deb version), unpack the tarball and then install the required libraries with apt. For amd64, you also need to manually unpack some i386 libraries into the installation directory. See https://support.skype.com/en/faq/FA12120/getting-started-with-skype-for-linux#2.2 |
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| 09:48.47 | shomon | skype just stopped working. I launch it and it just dies and doesn't load... |
| 09:48.55 | shomon | I tried in gdb and no backtrace or error |
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| 10:11.05 | jelly | guardian: 1.2.1-2.2~bpo60+2 of what package? It usually takes a couple days |
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| 10:14.42 | guardian | oops |
| 10:14.45 | guardian | jelly : nginx |
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| 10:24.57 | hyppias | OK, so I should not go in as root user. SO I make an ordinary user with which privileges? must (s)he be in the root user group? I do all root maintenance als sudoer? |
| 10:25.53 | Iridos | "go in"? |
| 10:26.01 | hyppias | login |
| 10:26.29 | Iridos | just make a regular user for yourself, use su in a terminal to become root for whatever you need to do as root |
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| 10:26.42 | Iridos | or you can configure sudo... your choice |
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| 10:27.58 | hyppias | if I run a bash script, must al command in it be precedes with sudo ? or do i start the script as su ? |
| 10:28.30 | Iridos | as for additional privileges (i.e. groups the user is in)... depends what you need. See what you hit. "adm" is useful for reading /var/log messages, plugdev for accessing usb-sticks, I think |
| 10:29.01 | hyppias | ok |
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| 10:30.57 | Iridos | if you just type "su" and then the root password on the shell, you get a root-shell and everything you do inside that shell is done as root |
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| 10:31.19 | Iridos | i.e. every program you call inside that shell runs with root privileges |
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| 10:31.42 | hyppias | ok |
| 10:31.47 | hyppias | thnx |
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| 10:37.10 | ariqs | I have installed ubuntu a few times, but I get sick of the constant updates |
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| 10:37.36 | ariqs | it is my understand that debian is more chill but with the same sort of package manager? |
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| 10:38.00 | wsky | ariqs: debian is the origin of apt |
| 10:38.33 | wsky | ariqs: and debian STABLE gets less updates, mostly security related |
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| 10:39.43 | ariqs | looks like squeeze just got released too |
| 10:39.45 | ariqs | nice |
| 10:39.46 | wsky | ariqs: because when stables gets fit it's fit, mostly discvered exploits matter |
| 10:40.15 | wsky | ariqs: sqeeze got released 2 years ago, wheezy is just about to go out |
| 10:40.27 | ariqs | oh hmm |
| 10:40.36 | ariqs | few days? |
| 10:40.42 | wsky | rather months |
| 10:40.47 | ariqs | oh |
| 10:40.55 | ariqs | well, I can wait |
| 10:41.00 | ariqs | thanks |
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| 10:44.07 | Iridos | ariqs, point-release 7 (=6.0.7) of squeeze released recently... which probably contains a lot of fixes to make the upgrade squeeze->wheezy go smoothly |
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| 10:58.45 | Kingsy | ok guys, I just did a debian installation, I had an older hard drive with my home partition on.. during the partition process I assigned that older drive as the home partition.. I DIDNT resize the partition or erase any of data.. now that I booted into the OS, the home drive is mounted.. but its clean.. none of my old information is there.. WTF? |
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| 10:59.09 | ad_dd | hi |
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| 10:59.35 | Kingsy | babilen: can you offer some advice? |
| 10:59.41 | Kingsy | I cant beleive its done this. |
| 10:59.43 | ad_dd | I have debian Squeeze 6.0.7 but I would like to install gdb from sid, that would be possible ? |
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| 11:00.27 | jelly | ad_dd: probably not |
| 11:01.01 | ad_dd | jelly: so, If I just want some packet from the unesable branch should I download them and install it apart ? |
| 11:01.04 | jelly | ad_dd: you could check whether squeeze-backports has a fresh enough gdb for you |
| 11:01.34 | jelly | ad_dd: you cannot safely install packages from a newer release on an older release. |
| 11:01.52 | Kingsy | I don't beleive it.. its erased all of my data. |
| 11:01.57 | ad_dd | jelly: I understand |
| 11:01.58 | Kingsy | without asking |
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| 11:02.05 | Kingsy | I am stunned. |
| 11:02.08 | babilen | Kingsy: I will if I can and want to … insofar I have no idea what is going on or what you need help with. |
| 11:02.18 | killermoehre | hi guys. one question. I want to update some productive machines from 6.0.6 to 6.0.7. What is the prefered way if something is getting fishy in this process? can I roll back the packages? |
| 11:02.30 | ad_dd | I have the squeeze-backports in my sources.list but when the version of gdb is 7.0.1 |
| 11:02.43 | Kingsy | babilen: oh, let me repeat.. |
| 11:02.44 | ad_dd | I would like to get the last one because it solves many problems |
| 11:02.48 | Kingsy | ok guys, I just did a debian installation, I had an older hard drive with my home partition on.. during the partition process I assigned that older drive as the home partition.. I DIDNT resize the partition or erase any of data.. now that I booted into the OS, the home drive is mounted.. but its clean.. none of my old information is there.. WTF? |
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| 11:02.53 | ad_dd | what's the better way then to get that version ? |
| 11:02.53 | Kingsy | babilen: ^ |
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| 11:03.17 | wsky | Kingsy: you've probably set the installer to format it. |
| 11:03.24 | Kingsy | I did not.. |
| 11:03.34 | Kingsy | I am 99% sure, I was careful |
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| 11:03.40 | Kingsy | I am gutted |
| 11:03.45 | babilen | killermoehre: I would recommend to install apt-listbugs and apt-listchanges before doing that and configure them to check for bugs and show you the changelog. A manual downgrade is, most likely, possible to the earlier versions but that process is not necessarily supported. You'll find the old packages in /var/cache/apt/archives/ and they can be installed with "dpkg -i .." -- I would, however, be surprised if the point upgrade breaks something ... |
| 11:03.47 | wsky | ha! so you're not 100% sure. |
| 11:03.51 | babilen | ... for you. |
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| 11:04.08 | Kingsy | wsky: well, is it set to erase partitions by default? |
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| 11:04.44 | wsky | nope. but there is a possibility that you've missclicked or something. |
| 11:04.45 | babilen | Kingsy: No, it is set to create filesystems by default. |
| 11:05.29 | Kingsy | babilen: so that would erase the drive? |
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| 11:06.09 | wsky | Kingsy: seting the create new filesystem option creates a NEW filesystem |
| 11:06.20 | killermoehre | babilen: thank you for the information |
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| 11:06.44 | ad_dd | jelly: you are right there is newer version in backports |
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| 11:06.54 | Kingsy | I am gutted.. I didnt see that option, I just assumed it wouldnt be that distructive.. I guess I was wrong. |
| 11:07.11 | Kingsy | my fault |
| 11:07.13 | babilen | Kingsy: But this really depends on what you do and how you set up the partitions. If you want to keep old data you have to change the filesystem to something like "keep data" or so. |
| 11:07.19 | wsky | you have your eyes for a reason |
| 11:07.31 | Kingsy | gutted. |
| 11:07.50 | Kingsy | does ext4 retain file names if I undelete using photorec ? |
| 11:07.59 | Kingsy | if not then its useless really. |
| 11:08.25 | Kingsy | I cant beleive it :S |
| 11:09.25 | wsky | it's not that bad. |
| 11:09.51 | Kingsy | wsky: it really is |
| 11:10.11 | Kingsy | all of my config is gone.. all of my home files are gone. |
| 11:10.32 | babilen | Kingsy: The way you are acting now seems to imply that you do not have backups - partman simply creates filesystems by default. This is necessary if you want to be able to install Debian and is /only/ a problem if you decide to keep old data (most commonly /home for desktop installations) -- For that you have to configure the partition in such a way that no filesystem is created. |
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| 11:13.13 | babilen | Kingsy: And apart from that: Didn't you have Debian installed already? We worked on getting one of your screens working IIRC |
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| 11:14.26 | beardy | !sing sussudio |
| 11:14.26 | dpkg | sings "Su, su, sudio...Su, su, sussudio" |
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| 11:14.42 | Kingsy | babilen: yeah I installed debian earlier, it was going great but the SSD died, so I have to reinstall. |
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| 11:15.17 | Kingsy | I should have just done the fstab myself... its my fault for relying on an installation |
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| 11:16.28 | wsky | Kingsy: debootstrap is the way |
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| 11:16.42 | babilen | No, simply using the tools correctly is the way |
| 11:17.09 | wsky | i still prefer debootstrap over the instalator :-( |
| 11:17.12 | wsky | am i odd? |
| 11:17.13 | babilen | Many people use the partman during the installation and millions would complain if it didn't create filesystems by default. |
| 11:17.24 | nvz | in pretty much every debian based distro I've seen, when you go to the volume control applet, right click and hit open volume control you get a dialog which not only lets you control volume on a per-app basis but lets you exceed 100% volume |
| 11:17.31 | nvz | anyone have any idea what that app is? |
| 11:17.48 | nvz | I'm sure its probably pulseaudio based.. just dont know what it is that actually shows those controls |
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| 11:18.15 | wsky | nvz: pavucontroll? |
| 11:18.19 | cybrhuman | nvz: pavucontrol |
| 11:18.33 | babilen | nvz: pavucontrol in pulseaudio does that -- IIRC Ubuntu patched the volume control applet to hook into pulseaudio (and also show applications) |
| 11:18.51 | Nik05 | hm i change my debian mirrors to http.debian.net and first i thought it was faster but its really slower... :( |
| 11:19.06 | nevyn | veromix for kde can do it too.. |
| 11:19.47 | nvz | babilen: yeah thats what I was thinking. its been hacked.. cause pavucontrol doesn't do the same stuff when I looked at it |
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| 11:19.53 | wsky | nvz: still hanging around in #d-o? |
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| 11:20.29 | nvz | my main concern is being able to still do the abover 100% volume thing.. I can do it in vlc cause vlc supports that.. but when I'm watching hulu its not loud enough with my laptop speakers |
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| 11:20.50 | babilen | nvz: use pavucontrol directly |
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| 11:21.09 | nvz | I'd also like to work out a means of universal volume normalization.. I wanna set a volume and it be the max volume regardless of what plays and how loud it is |
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| 11:22.19 | cybrhuman | nvz: what tabs does pavucontrol show you? |
| 11:22.28 | nvz | wsky: I do, I just haven't been staying on irc much.. I need to work on getting my router setup better so I can stay connected on there |
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| 11:22.38 | wsky | cool |
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| 11:23.18 | imdea | Hi... i was doing an 'aptitude safe-upgrade' in one of my machines and got this: http://pastebin.com/q0sXfs30 any ideas how to solve/fix it? |
| 11:23.21 | nvz | cybrhuman: I dont have it installed, nor anything pulse related right now.. but last I tried it, it doesnt look like ubuntu or mint where you have the master volume and it goes beyond 100% |
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| 11:24.21 | wsky | imdea: looks like a damaged hdd |
| 11:24.23 | nvz | whatever mint/ubuntu use doesnt look anything like pavucontrol interface at all.. its similar in function but looks nothing like it |
| 11:24.33 | babilen | imdea: Would you mind pasting the output of "mount" to http://paste.debian.net (pastebin.com is an ad-ridden, text-mangling, ugly website...) |
| 11:25.06 | babilen | nvz: As I said: I believe that Ubuntu patched the volume control applet to integrate with pavucontrol. Google for it, it can't be that hard to find. |
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| 11:25.31 | imdea | wsky, er.. no, the disk is not damaged. |
| 11:25.48 | wsky | sry, i do not even use aptitude.. ever |
| 11:26.07 | wsky | except to browse the repository |
| 11:26.17 | imdea | babilen, http://paste.debian.net/238282/ |
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| 11:26.34 | babilen | imdea: It very much looks as if there is something strange happening with your storage. You should be able to use /tmp just fine, but you are not. So, please let us investigate. (other information would also be good (e.g. what kind of storage is this? Is this a XEN DomU?, ...) |
| 11:26.41 | nvz | babilen: yeah.. I'll look into it.. I'm using mate now on wheezy so I may even be able to just pull a single package from mint or something |
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| 11:27.35 | babilen | nvz: You are aware that your setup is not supported by us then anyway, so feel free to do whatever you want with your Frankendebian :) |
| 11:28.00 | imdea | babilen: I've just tested and I can write without any problem to /tmp... it's a Xen dom0, the storage is a RAID 5 (by hardware) |
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| 11:28.03 | babilen | imdea: "Would you mint pasting the output of "mount"?" |
| 11:28.33 | babilen | imdea: yeah, I had that impression |
| 11:29.09 | babilen | imdea: You can also investigate directly by calling "update-initramfs -u" manually .. |
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| 11:30.22 | imdea | babilen, this is the mount output: http://paste.debian.net/238283/ |
| 11:30.26 | nvz | babilen: heh.. yeah well any way of doing it isnt gonna be supported.. if it'll go cleanly just installing the patched package thats less work than me rebuilding it with a patch. If it wont then I gotta try find/extract the patch and apply it |
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| 11:30.46 | nvz | babilen: technically the mate repos already got me off the wagon here.. so.. it doesnt matter :-P |
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| 11:31.57 | babilen | imdea: Your /tmp is NFS (hence the remote write) -- and you /also/ seem to have an LVM logical volume (einstein-tmp) there ... Would you mind attaching your fstab to the paste? |
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| 11:33.11 | babilen | nvz: yes, that is exactly what I meant (just don't expect support for Frankendebians ...) -- but then I also never understood why people don't simply use mint if they want MATE |
| 11:33.18 | babilen | either way </offtopic> |
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| 11:34.27 | imdea | babilen, http://paste.debian.net/238285/ |
| 11:34.31 | nvz | I'm mostly just trying to explore possibilities.. I know I dont like where desktop linux is going. I plan to consider other alternatives. I still use squeeze on all but this machine I'm using to see how I plan to move forward |
| 11:34.33 | babilen | imdea: It looks as if something/someone mounted laplace:/ to /tmp -- Was/is that intentional? Do you know anything about a hosts with the IP 192.168.10.3 or .6 ? |
| 11:35.08 | WormFood | are there any tweaks I can do, so Linux/debian can take better advantage of 32 gigs of ram? |
| 11:35.38 | nvz | I've considered Linux Mint Debian but that keeps me farther from debian than I like to be. Wanna still have a system close enough to be able to maintain supporting people here and reproducing errors |
| 11:35.52 | babilen | imdea: Non local /tmp is .. well .. probably a bad idea. Are you sure that you intended that? |
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| 11:36.32 | imdea | babilen, I'm just making tests with nfs |
| 11:37.09 | imdea | babilen, should I umount that nfs partition and then run safe-upgrade again? |
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| 11:37.48 | babilen | imdea: Oh, absolutely. |
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| 11:38.12 | cybrhuman | nvz: last time you checked how pavucontrol worked, did you have pulse installed? |
| 11:38.24 | babilen | imdea: You can also just run "dpkg --configure -a" which will configure packages for which configuration is pending |
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| 11:39.08 | nvz | cybrhuman: yeah of course.. I'm just saying the volume controls stop at 100% in mint/ubuntu there is a master volume that goes beyond that.. which is what I'm aiming for.. I want to be able to make my sound louder than what is my current max |
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| 11:40.08 | cybrhuman | nvz: there is that in debian too. Pavucontrol allows that, just the normal package. |
| 11:41.11 | nvz | cybrhuman: alright, I'll give it a try.. gonna have to do it at another time.. pluse tends to make things messy and I gotta make sure I have time to set it up right. |
| 11:41.50 | cybrhuman | nvz: I would agree up to last year, but it has improved greatly. |
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| 11:42.21 | imdea | babilen, thanks! it worked |
| 11:42.31 | nvz | cybrhuman: its a vast abstraction.. improvements or not there is a great deal more there than most people need and its annoying to a power user not terribly familiar with how it works :-P |
| 11:42.45 | takis_GR | i need something like kde mount notify in status bar or usb notify in windows XP status bar |
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| 11:45.47 | cybrhuman | nvz: if it has enough features to let all people use it we can have more uniform setups, which is good for developers who can start using sound in linux without spending hours on workarounds. |
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| 11:47.25 | nvz | cybrhuman: yeah its just a matter of I'm looking for nazi level control of my volume and its not gonna be an install it kinda deal.. its gonna be advanced configuration. I want volume normalization as well. I really can't stand turning my volume up so I can hear it only for some ignorant advertisement to play at twice that volume |
| 11:47.47 | homes | weird, i can nslookup an address, but when i try to wget it i get unable to resolve host address |
| 11:47.51 | homes | any idears? |
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| 11:48.01 | nevyn | no... |
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| 11:48.09 | homes | hosts: files mdns4_minimal [NOTFOUND=return] dns mdns4 |
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| 11:48.13 | WormFood | what about dig? |
| 11:48.22 | WormFood | did you try dig, instead of nslookup? |
| 11:48.23 | homes | oh, maybe hat mdns4 is screwing things up |
| 11:48.29 | nevyn | man I hate nslookup... |
| 11:48.32 | WormFood | me too |
| 11:48.33 | homes | dig works fine |
| 11:48.47 | nevyn | it works differently to EVERYTHING else on your system |
| 11:48.53 | WormFood | does it give you any clues, as to what might be the problem |
| 11:49.41 | homes | not really |
| 11:49.41 | cybrhuman | nvz: I know, I am looking for compression myself. |
| 11:49.59 | WormFood | what if you try to ping the address, does it resolve then? |
| 11:50.15 | WormFood | also, what are you using for your name servers? |
| 11:50.23 | nvz | cybrhuman: yeah it'd also be nice to just restrict sound altogether unless I explicitly allow it.. cause those damn talking ads and random playing videos that tend to appear on the web make me mad.. |
| 11:50.33 | homes | well, it does, but very slowly, for -c3 we get pings of 200ms, but the total ping command takes 10 seconds |
| 11:50.48 | homes | i was using the router, but i've switched to 8.8.8.8 |
| 11:50.55 | cybrhuman | nvz: I solved most of those issued by setting flash to only run on specific sites. |
| 11:50.56 | WormFood | nvz, run noscript (or something similar), and it will stop a vast majority of that shit |
| 11:51.20 | WormFood | can you tell me the host name you're having problems with? |
| 11:51.43 | WormFood | also, has the DNS entries been changed on it recently? (within the last 48 hours) |
| 11:51.55 | homes | alibaba.com |
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| 11:52.08 | WormFood | that is in China, isn't it? |
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| 11:52.37 | homes | no idea, just an example of a site that doens't work that the user gave me |
| 11:52.47 | homes | wget alibaba.com sure does fail, google.com succeeds fine |
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| 11:53.13 | wsky | lol @ alibaba.com |
| 11:53.23 | WormFood | works for me |
| 11:53.34 | homes | works from my server as well |
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| 11:53.42 | homes | makes me a bit stumped as to whats special |
| 11:54.23 | WormFood | wget alibaba.com works fine for me |
| 11:54.28 | nevyn | you've not answered what happens when you use host/dig rather than nslookup... |
| 11:54.39 | homes | nevyn: i have, dig works fine |
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| 11:54.43 | WormFood | he said it "works fine" |
| 11:54.53 | nevyn | hrm |
| 11:54.57 | homes | host also works fine |
| 11:55.15 | WormFood | can you pastebin your hosts and dig output? |
| 11:55.41 | homes | sure |
| 11:55.54 | WormFood | I also use 8.8.8.8 and 8.8.4.4 for my DNS servers. |
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| 11:58.04 | homes | http://pastebin.com/FA7m0tJL |
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| 11:58.48 | WormFood | hahaha...I'm in China, and pastebin is blocked here :P |
| 11:58.56 | WormFood | reroutes pastebin.com through the vpn |
| 11:59.05 | homes | :/ |
| 11:59.11 | felidae | where in China WormFood? I'm in Shanghai |
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| 11:59.30 | reavengrey | PAstebin can be used to spread liberalist propaganda |
| 11:59.36 | reavengrey | and poison the peoples' minds |
| 11:59.47 | reavengrey | A hub of sedition, treason and heresy |
| 11:59.47 | WormFood | I'm in 深圳 |
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| 12:00.01 | felidae | ah |
| 12:00.08 | WormFood | I'm in the only other city in China, that has it's own stock exchange ;) |
| 12:00.25 | WormFood | did you know, that only shanghai and shenzhen have their own stock exchange in China? |
| 12:00.42 | nkuttler | well, them being communists.. |
| 12:00.45 | WormFood | I was in shanghai about 9 months ago |
| 12:00.51 | felidae | i did, i work in finance |
| 12:00.55 | WormFood | when my mom came to visit |
| 12:01.00 | WormFood | cool |
| 12:01.11 | WormFood | I used to work right next door to the stock exchange |
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| 12:02.30 | homes | i feel nsswitch stuff may be part of the problem |
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| 12:03.43 | babilen | dpkg: pastebin.com |
| 12:03.44 | dpkg | pastebin.com takes forever to load, makes us enter a CAPTCHA to see your paste and fills the screen with ads. Please use a different site, like http://paste.debian.net/ |
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| 12:04.11 | WormFood | is there any chance it could be trying to use a proxy? |
| 12:04.55 | homes | isp could be screwing with stuff |
| 12:05.08 | homes | but i'd be surprised if they broke shit this badly |
| 12:05.20 | WormFood | try wget with the "--no-proxy" option |
| 12:05.30 | homes | apparently the windows machine on the same LAN works fine |
| 12:05.32 | felidae | it could be there's a rest of the world/china routing issue, they happen from time to time |
| 12:05.48 | WormFood | there is a chinese alibaba |
| 12:05.52 | homes | same problem, its not just wget that has issues |
| 12:05.56 | WormFood | I doubt the regular site is hosted in China |
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| 12:06.02 | WormFood | also, it wouldn't make it not resolve the host name |
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| 12:06.24 | homes | i can evidently resolve the hostname, its just going through nss seems to fail |
| 12:06.38 | WormFood | what is your /etc/resolv.conf? |
| 12:06.46 | homes | nameserver 8.8.8.8 |
| 12:06.51 | WormFood | I mean, what is the contents of that file? :P |
| 12:06.53 | WormFood | that is all? |
| 12:06.54 | felidae | i get 205.204.112.1 for alibaba.com which is in china |
| 12:07.06 | WormFood | me too |
| 12:07.17 | WormFood | but that wouldn't explain why dns is not resolving |
| 12:07.24 | homes | nameserver 8.8.8.8 |
| 12:07.24 | homes | # Generated by NetworkManager |
| 12:07.24 | homes | #nameserver 192.168.1.1 |
| 12:07.33 | WormFood | so, that leads me to believe, there is something configured wrong, with dns |
| 12:07.41 | WormFood | I mean, with the resolver |
| 12:08.19 | homes | mmmm, something is wrong with the host i'd say, given dig proves dns is working |
| 12:08.47 | WormFood | can you ping 205.204.112.1 ok? |
| 12:08.51 | homes | but what it is that makes wget google.com work but wget alibaba.com not work is fubar |
| 12:09.13 | homes | sure can |
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| 12:09.28 | homes | i can ping alibaba.com too, but it has that extra 10 seconds |
| 12:09.30 | felidae | honestly i'm not surprised, china's internet policy is based around dns poisoning |
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| 12:11.07 | WormFood | try this --> echo -e "HEAD / HTTP/1.0\nHost: www.alibaba.com\n\n"|nc -q 5 www.alibaba.com 80 |
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| 12:11.24 | WormFood | felidae, do you know how exactly that works? |
| 12:11.54 | felidae | since they control all the root level routers, it's just one giant man in the middle attack |
| 12:12.14 | WormFood | they're not poisoning dns for the rest of the internet, just their own users |
| 12:12.24 | felidae | yeah |
| 12:12.25 | WormFood | and they don't poison my dns, because I route all my dns over my vpn |
| 12:13.04 | homes | nc is hanging |
| 12:13.30 | homes | gotta sleep, prefix any ideas with homes: and they'll end up in away log |
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| 12:13.37 | WormFood | did you notice, your dig output says "WARNING: recursion requested but not available" |
| 12:13.38 | wsky | 5$ geoiplookup.exe 205.204.112.1 |
| 12:13.39 | wsky | GeoIP Country Edition: US, United States |
| 12:13.40 | homes | cheers for the help :) |
| 12:13.49 | WormFood | I don't think you're using google's dns (8.8.8.8) |
| 12:13.50 | homes | i did i did, not sure what that meant |
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| 12:13.58 | WormFood | it does not do that for me |
| 12:14.12 | WormFood | ok, try this... (on second, while I verify the syntax of the command) |
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| 12:14.13 | wsky | looks like american |
| 12:14.33 | felidae | i was mistaken then |
| 12:14.37 | homes | the dig output says 8.8.8.8 |
| 12:14.40 | WormFood | dig @8.8.8.8 alibaba.com |
| 12:14.53 | homes | [under server] |
| 12:15.01 | WormFood | I see that |
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| 12:15.15 | homes | still gives that warning |
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| 12:15.58 | homes | warning is weird though |
| 12:16.06 | homes | i think the machine is in thailand |
| 12:16.13 | homes | wonder if they fuck with their internet |
| 12:16.23 | WormFood | ;; flags: qr rd ra; <-- my flags, it has "ra" and yours does not |
| 12:16.26 | homes | anyway, sleep! night :) |
| 12:16.31 | felidae | not as far as i know |
| 12:16.39 | WormFood | good night homes 晚安 |
| 12:16.49 | WormFood | good luck with your problems |
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| 12:18.33 | Kingsy | I have just installed gddrescue, its not in the menus and I get command not found, how do I run this? |
| 12:19.08 | rgr | sudo gddresuce? |
| 12:19.21 | Kingsy | ahh sudo I forgot the path is different.. |
| 12:19.22 | Kingsy | np |
| 12:19.48 | Kingsy | hmm no, still command not found |
| 12:20.02 | rgr | look at what it installed in synaptic |
| 12:20.10 | frikinz | apt-cache show gddrescue |
| 12:20.10 | wsky | Kingsy: dpkg -L gddrescue | grep bin |
| 12:20.17 | WormFood | I only run sudo, when I'm typing "sudo su -" |
| 12:20.37 | nevyn | tends to type sudo !! a lot |
| 12:20.57 | Kingsy | wsky: hrm yeah it says /usr/bin/ddrescue it claims to have a GUI |
| 12:20.59 | rgr | ddrescue |
| 12:21.01 | felidae | i forgot my root password, i can't su - anymore |
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| 12:21.17 | Kingsy | oh perhaps not |
| 12:21.17 | WormFood | get me a sandwich. Get your own damn sandwich. sudo get me a sandwich. ok |
| 12:21.31 | Kingsy | I just assumed it would, the g generally means GUI |
| 12:21.52 | wsky | felidae: run a live system, chroot into your normal one then run passwd |
| 12:21.56 | rgr | Hmm, its a bit lame synaptic only showing "installed files" for actually installed files... Youd think they could have a "files to be installed" option. |
| 12:22.14 | Kingsy | wsky: how would you recover data from an ext4 drive? |
| 12:22.22 | wsky | i have no idea. |
| 12:22.28 | Kingsy | np |
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| 12:22.36 | someOneSomeWhere | hi all |
| 12:22.37 | Kingsy | brb gonna reboot |
| 12:23.10 | someOneSomeWhere | how can i customize the console terminal ? like background colors and text colors .. i'd like applying a solarized theme for example |
| 12:23.24 | felidae | when i need the root password again i will, until then sudo does just find wsky |
| 12:23.50 | wsky | felidae: the sudo suu |
| 12:23.54 | wsky | su* |
| 12:24.03 | wsky | if sudo works, then just sudo su and passwd |
| 12:24.09 | wsky | problem solved |
| 12:24.31 | felidae | lol i'm trying to say it's not a problem for me |
| 12:24.41 | felidae | yet |
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| 12:24.46 | WormFood | don't even need to do that, even sudo passwd root should do the trick |
| 12:25.03 | WormFood | but yeah, sudo su - shouldn't need the password, since sudo is running as root |
| 12:25.58 | someOneSomeWhere | anyone |
| 12:26.17 | wsky | felidae: you know, it's a support channel, when people raport something here they usually have intention of solving a problem |
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| 12:26.57 | felidae | people were submitting sudo anecdotes, i decided to participate |
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| 12:32.46 | WormFood | someOneSomeWhere, i believe echo will do what you want |
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| 12:33.37 | felidae | someOneSomeWhere: you have to first tell us what terminal you're using |
| 12:33.49 | WormFood | he said console |
| 12:34.20 | felidae | ah. then maybe some kind of kernel framebuffer |
| 12:34.22 | WormFood | http://www.linuxhomenetworking.com/forums/showthread.php/1095-Linux-console-Colors-And-Other-Trick-s |
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| 12:35.07 | WormFood | echo -e "\033[32mThis is green." ; echo "And so is this." ; echo "And this." ; echo -e "\033[0mNow we're back to normal." |
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| 12:42.03 | _val_ | WormFood: while sleep 0.1; do tput setaf $(($RANDOM%10)); done & |
| 12:42.16 | _val_ | ^ |
| 12:42.42 | WormFood | huh? |
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| 12:43.29 | _val_ | Oh sorry I thought you were talking about terminal colors. |
| 12:44.10 | WormFood | someone else was asking about it |
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| 12:45.35 | _val_ | I thought you did not know anything about it since you "huh'ed" me. |
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| 12:45.50 | _val_ | but anyways... |
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| 12:52.01 | Kingsy | anyone in here used photorec before? |
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| 13:00.02 | benpro | Hello, IPv6 on www.debian.org (2001:858:2:2:214:22ff:fe0d:7717) seems out of service. |
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| 13:00.36 | Dagger2 | benpro: it's working for me |
| 13:01.43 | benpro | Dagger2: good information, sounds like a routing issue |
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| 13:02.00 | Night_Elf | Hi all. There's something I don't understand. I have a fresh install of Debian 'testing'. Wanted to see the samba4 and experiment with it. After installing the samba4 package, the command: "samba-tool domain provision" fails. There seems to be no "provision" action available. What does this mean ? |
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| 13:03.54 | Night_Elf | Also, dpkg -l samb* will show a sort of a mix of packages, between versions 4.0 and 3.6. Is this normal? |
| 13:04.55 | Trewas | Kingsy: sometimes long ago, unfortunately it is not very useful because it only works reliably with tiny files (because the file must be non-fragmented) |
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| 13:05.25 | Kingsy | Trewas: how did you manage to sort out the crap from the stuff you need? |
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| 13:05.35 | Kingsy | I am basically trying to recover .conf files. |
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| 13:06.45 | Trewas | Kingsy: I think it was SD-card or something with only jpeg-images, so it was quite easy to check visually what was ok |
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| 13:07.30 | Kingsy | Trewas: do you know of a better tool to recover .conf files? |
| 13:07.59 | Trewas | Kingsy: no, text files are quite difficult to recover because it is impossible to recognize where they start |
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| 13:09.39 | Kingsy | is there a channel on freenode that is better suited to this? |
| 13:09.42 | Kingsy | file recovery? |
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| 13:10.50 | reavengrey | Can't say -- file recovery is generally a "nifty trick" and not a formalized discipline |
| 13:11.02 | reavengrey | So it's unlikely that there's a subcommunity that focuses on it |
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| 13:11.39 | WormFood | Kingsy, I used photorec earlier today to recover some pictures for a friend. |
| 13:11.58 | Kingsy | WormFood: I am looking to recover .conf files. |
| 13:12.11 | WormFood | you mean text files? |
| 13:12.16 | Kingsy | yup |
| 13:12.30 | WormFood | do you know anything that is in the contents of the text files? |
| 13:12.40 | Kingsy | sure |
| 13:12.48 | Kingsy | that is why I am currently just using photorec and grep |
| 13:12.53 | WormFood | should be fairly straight forward |
| 13:12.54 | Kingsy | no luck so far but its still going. |
| 13:13.00 | WormFood | yeah, exactly |
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| 13:13.12 | Kingsy | ok cool.. I will just leave it going then. |
| 13:13.12 | WormFood | what size drive are you trying to recover? |
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| 13:13.28 | Kingsy | it was a 500GB drive, probably about 200GB of crap |
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| 13:13.32 | WormFood | and what is the nature of the damage to the filesystem? |
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| 13:14.06 | Kingsy | WormFood: there was no "damage" a new filesystem was written over the top of it by an installer by mistake. |
| 13:14.25 | WormFood | I see |
| 13:14.38 | WormFood | so it has been formatted, and new shit written to it? |
| 13:15.01 | WormFood | and I'm guessing you want some config files from /etc, right? |
| 13:15.32 | WormFood | without a doubt, you have a huge job ahead of you. That is a "lot" of data to process. |
| 13:16.00 | Kingsy | WormFood: yeah so the installer probably formatted it. |
| 13:16.01 | WormFood | I think you're attacking the problem, the "right" way. That is how I'd probably do it, at least in the first pass |
| 13:16.22 | WormFood | if I couldn't find what I wanted, then I might try something manually |
| 13:16.38 | Kingsy | yeah cool.. alot of this data can just be binned off, I need about 20 files. :P |
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| 13:16.46 | WormFood | in any case, let it finish running, and then grep what it find, and see if it found what you want. |
| 13:16.54 | Kingsy | yeah cool |
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| 13:17.08 | WormFood | good luck |
| 13:17.14 | Kingsy | WormFood: thanks :) |
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| 13:22.25 | wsky | got this strange problem.. all of my software works and i have nothing to do! |
| 13:22.40 | toolz | Hi, anyone knows from where can I get the kernel: 2.6.32-trunk-amd64 on kmuto-s website? I have installed some servers using that kernel and they word so great, using these newer kernels I keep getting alot of crashes. |
| 13:23.02 | WormFood | wsky, then watch some porn |
| 13:23.08 | _KaszpiR_ | wsky orly |
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| 13:24.51 | frikinz | toolz: squeeze still has 2.6.32 too. Did you try the one from squeeze? |
| 13:25.03 | HardDisk_WP | how do I allow a user with sudo to become other user X without password? |
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| 13:26.05 | Nik05 | HardDisk_WP: sudo su username? |
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| 13:27.08 | toolz | frikinz, I am using one now, but I keep getting this issue: my programs crash with some weird error: kernel: hlds[3232] general protection ip:8eb001b sp:9c759f7c error:3120 |
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| 13:27.33 | toolz | 2.6.32-5-amd64 |
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| 13:33.02 | and`` | I get a GPG error when I do "apt-get update", what does that mean? |
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| 13:33.34 | and`` | The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY AED4B06F473041FA |
| 13:33.41 | and`` | to be more spesific |
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| 13:35.55 | abrotman | for which repo? |
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| 13:36.09 | and`` | I tried several get the samish error |
| 13:36.27 | abrotman | and``: use paste.debian.net to show us |
| 13:36.31 | and`` | http://ftp.no.debian.org squeeze |
| 13:37.29 | Nik05 | and``: do you have debian-archive-keyring? |
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| 13:37.58 | and`` | http://paste.debian.net/238306/ |
| 13:38.04 | and`` | here is my sources |
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| 13:38.21 | and`` | don't know about the keyring thing |
| 13:38.43 | and`` | I have a lenny which I want to upgrade to squeeze |
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| 13:39.07 | abrotman | did you install the debian-archive-keyring package? |
| 13:39.19 | and`` | let me check |
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| 13:40.20 | and`` | It appears to be installed, but it may be an old version |
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| 13:41.37 | and`` | Version: 2009.01.31 |
| 13:41.41 | and`` | is what Ive got |
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| 13:42.50 | toolz | anyone has any idea what does: general protection ip error mean and why does it appear? |
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| 13:43.05 | toolz | when I run some programs I keep getting on syslog this error |
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| 13:45.26 | Nik05 | toolz: thats not correct... |
| 13:46.35 | Nik05 | toolz: whats the precise error? |
| 13:46.56 | dx1 | hello guys when i plug my externel hdd with dmesg i get this http://pastie.org/6341082 and tried to format it via gparted and disk-utility but did not work i get error i/o and tried also the dd with zeros still the same any idea how i can fix this and thanks |
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| 13:50.03 | dimer | hi, is there a way to produce full or complete kernel-headers package with make-kpkg? The ones that are produced by it are lacking many files and out-of-tree modules wont build |
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| 13:50.26 | Nik05 | dx1: what kind of extern hdd is it? |
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| 13:53.20 | dx2 | hey back |
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| 13:53.37 | dx2 | Nik05 hang on i cant get it now via lsusb |
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| 13:54.31 | dx2 | im not sure the name of it its kind of WWD Nik05 |
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| 13:54.59 | jelly | dx2: are you sure it's getting enough power if it's powered over usb? |
| 13:55.09 | toolz | Nik05: kernel: hlds[31842] general protection ip:81b201d sp:5c368d7c error:0 |
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| 13:56.04 | dx2 | jelly i do agree this morning i found it take ard 5V but i have been using it in this old box for ages |
| 13:56.12 | dx2 | but now ican't |
| 13:56.36 | dx2 | as i said when i try to format i get error I/O |
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| 13:58.15 | abrotman | dimer: yes, man make-kpkg |
| 13:58.25 | anew | what's the best way to reinstall debian ? |
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| 13:58.40 | Nik05 | anew: with the debian installer |
| 13:58.54 | anew | trying to find the command |
| 13:58.56 | anew | apt-get -f install |
| 13:58.57 | anew | ? |
| 13:59.20 | Towzzer | that's for packages and cleaning up |
| 13:59.24 | Towzzer | not the entire system |
| 13:59.30 | anew | can i reinstall from cli ? |
| 13:59.38 | anew | like if i'm logged into the machine |
| 13:59.42 | Nik05 | with the installer you can |
| 13:59.44 | anew | or do i have log out, rebooth... mount etc |
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| 14:00.09 | Nik05 | you cant be logged in, cause the harddisks are mounted |
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| 14:02.23 | abrotman | Towzzer: it can be ... |
| 14:02.23 | surf | hi guys a quick question: if my ipv6 router has router advertisement set to false, does it reply to a router solicitation? |
| 14:02.33 | abrotman | !tell anew about reinstall |
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| 14:03.42 | dimer | abrotman, unless you mean binary target? |
| 14:04.08 | anew | so... |
| 14:04.08 | HardDisk_WP | Nik05, well yeah but that would require me to set NOPASSWD for all |
| 14:04.15 | anew | is the command aptitude reinstall -i |
| 14:04.16 | anew | ? |
| 14:04.17 | HardDisk_WP | Im not familiar with that sudo syntax |
| 14:04.33 | anew | aptitude reinstall '~i' |
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| 14:04.35 | HardDisk_WP | I want that sudo xxxxx needs a password, only sudo su A and sudo su B do not |
| 14:04.50 | HardDisk_WP | how do I do this? |
| 14:04.57 | Nik05 | no idea |
| 14:05.00 | blip2 | from socket import gethostname |
| 14:05.04 | blip2 | oops |
| 14:05.09 | blip2 | Read this: http://wiki.debian.org/sudo |
| 14:05.25 | abrotman | dimer: huh? |
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| 14:05.44 | abrotman | anew: depends why you want to reinstall, but that's a decent start |
| 14:05.47 | dimer | abrotman, you mean that using binary target i can get what i want? |
| 14:06.05 | abrotman | dimer: yes, or specify the headers package |
| 14:06.18 | abrotman | dpkg: tell dimer about kp mantra |
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| 14:08.04 | anew | PuTTY X11 proxy: wrong authorisation protocol attempted |
| 14:08.06 | anew | well i googled |
| 14:08.08 | anew | this error |
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| 14:08.14 | anew | but i guess i am to retarded to understand what to do now |
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| 14:10.22 | DammitJim | is there a package for acrobat reader > 5 for wheezy? |
| 14:10.46 | surf | hi guys a quick question: if my ipv6 router has router advertisement set to false, does it reply to a router solicitation? as it is a daemon (radvd) if it's down it does not reply, right? |
| 14:11.31 | abrotman | DammitJim: acroread isn't in Debian, ask the DMM folks, or use evince/kpdf/xpdf |
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| 14:11.53 | DammitJim | DMM is Debian Multimedia, right? |
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| 14:13.26 | zykotick9 | DammitJim: yes. you can see "/msg dpkg dmm" for more details. |
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| 14:14.46 | zykotick9 | DammitJim: technically, it's deb-multimedia now. to avoid confusion of not being an official debian repository. |
| 14:15.07 | DammitJim | sure, I understand now |
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| 14:15.37 | Technodrome | back to trying to install oracle on debian, anyone here have experience in it? |
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| 14:16.30 | wsky | Technodrome: what product of oracle? |
| 14:16.37 | Technodrome | database sorry |
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| 14:17.40 | nkuttler | mysql? |
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| 14:18.06 | jelly | nkuttler: oracle db. Their flagship product. |
| 14:18.17 | nkuttler | jelly: no kidding? |
| 14:18.43 | Technodrome | it seems like most enterprises are going just red hat these days |
| 14:18.51 | Technodrome | where debian used to at least get a little support |
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| 14:19.03 | jelly | nkuttler: when someone mentions "oracle" in context of a software product, Oracle DB is the first thing that comes to mind. |
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| 14:19.25 | nkuttler | jelly: no kidding! |
| 14:19.31 | trewtwo | when asked about "dmm", why does dpkg tell the user "Remember to include a \"non-free\" component in your sources.list lines."? |
| 14:19.39 | jelly | nkuttler: where do you live dude! |
| 14:19.41 | Technodrome | they only provide rpm's for linux |
| 14:19.58 | nkuttler | trewtwo: you probably don't want dmm, and some packages are non-free |
| 14:20.11 | nkuttler | jelly: there seems to be some kind of miscommunication |
| 14:20.19 | Technodrome | another question, for most server setups, why is lvm so common? i see it has few advantages but they don't seem that huge |
| 14:20.25 | trewtwo | nkuttler: in the official branch there are non-free packages, too, but the user is not advised to enable them, of course |
| 14:20.47 | nkuttler | trewtwo: why do you think you need dmm packages? |
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| 14:21.00 | wsky | opsfun |
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| 14:21.41 | trewtwo | nkuttler: I have using them for a few years because multimedia applications like mplayer(2), vlc and the like from the official branch have caused trouble |
| 14:21.55 | nkuttler | trewtwo: well that was a few years ago.. |
| 14:21.58 | jem^ | I've just noticed that the middle button on a USB mouse plugged into my debian laptop doesn't work, a problem I've not noticed before. Have any recent updates caused issues like this? (squeeze) |
| 14:22.18 | nkuttler | trewtwo: you should really try the official packages again sometime |
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| 14:22.48 | ksuhku | jem^, does xev see it? |
| 14:22.56 | jelly | Technodrome: but are you really installing Oracle DB, or XE? |
| 14:23.23 | Technodrome | jelly: work DB ….home XE |
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| 14:23.44 | jelly | Technodrome: [Re: lvm] being able to resize/grow filesystems online, without downtime, is a rather useful feature |
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| 14:24.23 | trewtwo | nkuttler: thanks for the info. I will consider this. |
| 14:24.34 | jem^ | ksuhku: no, nothing registered for a click, although the wheel works |
| 14:24.36 | Technodrome | jelly: yeah i can see that, this is just a testing vm though |
| 14:25.01 | ksuhku | jem^, does it work *anywhere*? |
| 14:25.05 | Technodrome | i installed both oracle linux and centos same thing, but the oracle linux is a bit more snappier, and i don't know why |
| 14:25.23 | Technodrome | how can a command line be slower or faster than another, doesn't make any sense |
| 14:25.42 | Towzzer | they say that about dash vs bash |
| 14:25.43 | Towzzer | or something |
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| 14:26.27 | jem^ | actually it's not working on another debian host either, while a MS mouse also connected there does register middle clicks |
| 14:26.34 | jem^ | might be a busted mouse button |
| 14:26.34 | ksuhku | jem^, if not, could be a hardware thing |
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| 14:27.47 | Towzzer | hey jem^ are you truly outrageous? |
| 14:28.04 | jem^ | not today |
| 14:28.14 | jem^ | only on thursdays |
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| 14:28.41 | wsky | you seem to abuse your middle finger |
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| 14:33.08 | free_mind | I have a question regarding 'linux-2.6 security update'. Do I need to reboot my server to make the installation of the new kernel effective? |
| 14:33.40 | nkuttler | free_mind: short answer, yes |
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| 14:34.13 | free_mind | nkuttler: and the long answer. ..? :-) |
| 14:34.25 | deepy | ksplice? |
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| 14:34.31 | Towzzer | it's just yes unless you do complicated things |
| 14:34.32 | nkuttler | free_mind: absolutely |
| 14:34.34 | jem^ | yeah, it was the mouse. swapped it out and middle button is ok now |
| 14:34.38 | Towzzer | or pay a company that offers in place kernel upgrades |
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| 14:35.29 | taime1 | hello, I have two identical dell towers and I run Ubuntu on one and Debian on the other. The Debian machine has this strange problem where after a bit of uptime, my internet connection either slows to a crawl or simply won't give me internet access at all (via browser or ping) and torrents slow way down too (I've been testing this for weeks). I think I have ipv6 disabled everywhere (even in the kernel) and the problem persists. |
| 14:35.38 | free_mind | Oke thanks, then I'm going for the reboot. Thanks for the quick answer. |
| 14:35.46 | jelly | free_mind: long answer: Yeeeeeeeeeess. |
| 14:36.07 | free_mind | jelly: haha, you got me there.. |
| 14:36.21 | free_mind | :-) |
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| 14:38.06 | free_mind | Oke, thank you all for the input. Take care and have a nice day! |
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| 14:42.02 | tux101 | hi |
| 14:42.49 | tux101 | i need some help with installing a specific package, anyone available to help? |
| 14:42.57 | ksk | tux101: dont ask to ask. |
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| 14:43.08 | tux101 | lol yea sorry |
| 14:44.03 | tux101 | i am trying to install cisco packet tracer 5.3.3 onto a 64bit debian wheezy install but it just does not work. It installed fine by requires 32 bit librarys, which i cannot seem to install.. |
| 14:45.05 | tux101 | to be more specific, apt-get install ia32-libs and ia32-libs-gtk |
| 14:46.25 | tux101 | i have also tried the ciscohackscript, which also did not work |
| 14:46.49 | bw_ | tux101: maybe have a look at multiarch |
| 14:47.13 | toolz | I got one question - on two machines, same configuration, I am trying to configure a kernel using debian linux-source-2.6.32, and when I run make menuconfig the menus differ, for example on one machine I have: under Processor type and features -> Support for big SMP systems with more than 8 CPUs, but on the other one I do not have that, hardware are same machines |
| 14:47.19 | tux101 | i am not farmilliar with multiarch |
| 14:47.26 | tux101 | how can i install it? |
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| 14:47.58 | zykotick9 | !tell tux101 about multiarch |
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| 14:48.07 | bw_ | tux101: start here https://wiki.debian.org/Multiarch |
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| 14:50.17 | tux101 | is there a way i can just install the dependencies, as packettracer is the only 32 bit app i will be using |
| 14:51.00 | dimer | abrotman, ive tried with binary target, but it still gives me same thing as i had before. for examlpe inlude/uapi/asm is a symlink for absent dir asm-x86_64 |
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| 14:56.04 | frikinz | so with this it should be possible to run arm binaries? humm sounds interesting. useless but interesting :) |
| 14:56.22 | abrotman | dimer: but the headers package exists? |
| 14:56.27 | tux101 | apparently it definately needs ia32-libs-gtk |
| 14:56.29 | abrotman | dimer: perhaps you missed a flag? |
| 14:56.45 | dimer | abrotman, yes, it was always there, ive always had the package, but it lacks lots of files |
| 14:56.48 | bw_ | tux101: try apt-get install ia32-lib-gtk:i386 (if you have multiarch) |
| 14:56.52 | zykotick9 | frikinz: multiarch won't allow you to run arm binaries. |
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| 14:57.10 | frikinz | no? :( |
| 14:57.33 | frikinz | its only between x86 and amd64? |
| 14:57.35 | zerick | Hi guys, I have a lenny running in which I want to install puppetmaster from lenny-backports, the point is that many of the dependencies are not found on the repo servers, so, do you know any possible mirror for lenny-backports ? |
| 14:57.39 | tux101 | i do not have multiarch, how can i install it |
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| 14:58.18 | zykotick9 | tux101: if you are on wheezy ("lsb_release -sc" to confirm) then you have multiarch |
| 14:58.18 | bw_ | tux101: https://wiki.debian.org/Multiarch/HOWTO |
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| 14:58.32 | abrotman | dimer: i'd wager your config isn't quite right |
| 14:58.33 | ChrisH | zerick: check http://archive.debian.org/ and its strongly recommended to upgrade! |
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| 14:59.20 | tux101 | all i want is packet tracer to work. is there anyway i can just install that 1 dependency without multiarch? |
| 14:59.52 | dimer | abrotman, i can take config from original debian package and rebuild with it, should i? |
| 15:00.27 | abrotman | give it a whirl |
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| 15:04.31 | mase76 | hi! anybody can help with debian live-build? |
| 15:04.34 | tux101 | Would this work?: http://fherie-d-essentials.mhs.narotama.ac.id/2012/07/12/install-packet-tracer-5-3-on-linux-64-bit-linux-mint-debian/ |
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| 15:05.31 | realman95 | query |
| 15:05.36 | c_randomnick | Hello |
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| 15:06.15 | mase76 | --mirror-chroot-security http://security.debian.org does not add the mirror to the sources.list of the chroot. |
| 15:07.35 | zykotick9 | tux101: packet-tracers is A) not a debian package and B) non-free/propritary. i wouldn't expect a lot of help with it in #d does cisco have a support forum or something? good luck. |
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| 15:09.24 | tux101 | ill have a look around, thanks anyway |
| 15:09.28 | tux101 | bye |
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| 15:12.46 | TheGrey | o/ Is there a magical way in which I can make my programs load onto seperate monitors via the autostart.sh? |
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| 15:15.46 | ksk | TheGrey: depends on your WM |
| 15:16.22 | TheGrey | ksk: I use openbox |
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| 15:17.57 | someOneSomeWhere | can someone please help me ? i've just install debian and i have no sound so i did apt-get install alsa and when i try to do alsamixer i get this cannot load mixer controls: Invalid argument |
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| 15:18.41 | zykotick9 | !tell someOneSomeWhere about alsa checklist |
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| 15:20.05 | nkuttler | TheGrey: you can configure screens etc in rc.xml |
| 15:20.07 | zykotick9 | someOneSomeWhere: something not mentioned on that checklist - do you have more then 1 audio device? "cat /proc/asound/cards" is your real soundcard listed as 0? |
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| 15:20.43 | jelly | TheGrey: if your window manager doesn't do window placement and geometry, take a look at devilspie |
| 15:20.58 | someOneSomeWhere | zykotick9: yes |
| 15:21.58 | someOneSomeWhere | zykotick9: the list is kinda checked |
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| 15:22.35 | someOneSomeWhere | so what now ? |
| 15:22.54 | zykotick9 | someOneSomeWhere: well, you've exhausted my audio troubleshooting knowledge already ;) good luck. |
| 15:22.57 | mase76 | someOneSomeWhere: try installing libasound2-plugins |
| 15:23.03 | mase76 | and alsa-utils |
| 15:23.21 | mase76 | after that open alsamixer in a terminal and check the muted channels. |
| 15:23.23 | zykotick9 | mase76: alsamixer is in the alsa-utils package, so they've already got that one. |
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| 15:23.59 | mase76 | yes, it is. |
| 15:24.25 | tarkem | !tell tarkem about alsa checklist |
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| 15:24.58 | someOneSomeWhere | mase76: it requires a reboot ? cause it's still not working |
| 15:25.07 | zykotick9 | !tell tarkem about self tell |
| 15:25.32 | mase76 | output of aplay -l ? |
| 15:25.58 | someOneSomeWhere | mase76: it seems to work .. no errors ... but i don't hear anything |
| 15:26.09 | tarkem | thanks zykotick9 |
| 15:26.22 | someOneSomeWhere | oh wait |
| 15:26.23 | mase76 | open alsamixer. most times, the channels are muted after a fresh install. |
| 15:26.35 | someOneSomeWhere | mase76: alsamixer is not working |
| 15:26.53 | mase76 | not working or not installed? |
| 15:27.04 | someOneSomeWhere | mase76: here is aplay -l http://pastebin.com/teGhUUf9 |
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| 15:27.26 | someOneSomeWhere | mase76: it's installed and it gives me this error cannot load mixer controls: Invalid argument |
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| 15:28.02 | mase76 | libasound2-plugins installed? |
| 15:28.06 | someOneSomeWhere | yup |
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| 15:29.49 | someOneSomeWhere | unbelievable .. i removed gentoo after 2 days because i couldn't make teamviewer work and now i don't have sound ... i should've just install ubuntu ... everything works |
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| 15:30.08 | mase76 | /etc/init.d/alsa-utils restart |
| 15:30.18 | frikinz | someOneSomeWhere: then why did you install debian? |
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| 15:30.57 | someOneSomeWhere | mase76: http://pastebin.com/LbiV4R0a |
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| 15:31.25 | someOneSomeWhere | frikinz: cause ubuntu is too full of **** ... even though it jsut works |
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| 15:32.20 | floogy | Hi, did someone checked his libkeyutils on a OpenVZ squeeze installation? I got 868d4a3cd978a29e7cde097c99884db7 /lib/libkeyutils.so.1.3 And found that twice on the net. I checked it due to the sshd trojan in the wild. |
| 15:32.33 | mase76 | i would try a reboot first. it often helps when making changes to alsa. and i would remove pulseaudio if you don't need it. depends on your wm. |
| 15:32.46 | KsM | someOneSomeWhere: do you not have alsa in your make.conf or something |
| 15:32.57 | someOneSomeWhere | KsM: make.conf ?? |
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| 15:33.10 | someOneSomeWhere | this is debian not gentoo |
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| 15:33.25 | someOneSomeWhere | mase76: at reboot i get those same errors |
| 15:33.34 | KsM | someOneSomeWhere: you were complaining about sound not working there though /shrug |
| 15:33.36 | floogy | see also https://isc.sans.edu/diary/SSHD+rootkit+in+the+wild/15229 and graca here http://www.lowendtalk.com/discussion/8146/sshd-rootkit-exploit/p2 |
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| 15:34.02 | someOneSomeWhere | KsM: i got sound in gentoo ... i couldn't make teamviewer work |
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| 15:34.37 | KsM | oh |
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| 15:35.14 | mase76 | rm /var/lib/alsa/asound.state |
| 15:35.37 | someOneSomeWhere | mase76: no such file or directory |
| 15:35.57 | mase76 | and remove the asoundrc if you created one. |
| 15:36.38 | someOneSomeWhere | mase76: /var/lib/alsa is empty |
| 15:36.47 | mase76 | pulseaudio installed? |
| 15:36.51 | someOneSomeWhere | i didn't |
| 15:37.12 | mase76 | apt-get purge pulseaudio. it is often installed by suggestion. |
| 15:37.30 | someOneSomeWhere | not installed |
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| 15:37.56 | someOneSomeWhere | mase76: suggestion of whom ? i did a minimal install and then added slim+ awesome wm .. |
| 15:38.14 | coffeecup | i did setup a xen guest, ifconfig shows me the interface eth0 but i cant bring it up or down with ifdown // ifup "ifdown: interface eth0 not configured" - on another guest it does work, whats the best way to debug this? |
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| 15:38.52 | mase76 | suggested by debian. apt does autoinstall suggested packages by default. |
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| 15:39.44 | somiaj | coffeecup: do you have eth0 configured in /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 15:39.54 | coffeecup | yeah |
| 15:40.03 | somiaj | what is the line you have in that file? |
| 15:40.21 | someOneSomeWhere | i'm gonna take a smoke break |
| 15:40.24 | somiaj | and ifdown: interface eth0 not configured, might just mean you haven't brought it up with ifup first |
| 15:40.38 | coffeecup | auto eth0 |
| 15:40.38 | coffeecup | iface eth0 inet static |
| 15:40.48 | coffeecup | and the address // gateway // netmask |
| 15:40.58 | ExeciN | Whenever I boot to debian and then back to MacOS, I can't turn-off/use bluetooth. Debian Wheezy - MacOSX Mountain Lion (10.8.2) |
| 15:41.00 | somiaj | coffeecup: and 'ifup eth0' doesn't work? |
| 15:41.10 | coffeecup | SIOCADDRT: No such process |
| 15:41.10 | coffeecup | Failed to bring up eth0. |
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| 15:41.33 | somiaj | I don't reconize that error, but might be related to a misconfiguration in the interfaces file |
| 15:41.59 | coffeecup | with ifconfig eth0 up // down it does work |
| 15:42.13 | coffeecup | but ifdown and ifup won't work |
| 15:42.39 | zykotick9 | coffeecup: have you restarted the VM? i improperly tried setting up a bridge using interfaces, order was important - i didn't follow it, restart fixed in my case. |
| 15:43.03 | ExeciN | My Debian installation can read-only from the MacOS stuff so can the problem should be the NVRAM. Right? |
| 15:43.04 | somiaj | coffeecup: as I said, it sounds like a misconfiguration in your /etc/network/interfaces file. Maybe paste it at paste.debian.net |
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| 15:43.51 | coffeecup | mhmh well it does work in another guest, i'll try rebooting and have a look at the config again |
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| 15:46.06 | coffeecup | the last line of dmesg is eth0: no IPv6 routers present, could this be the issue? |
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| 15:47.26 | somiaj | coffeecup: again what is the info in your interfaces file? |
| 15:48.02 | somiaj | coffeecup: ifup//ifdown are just scripts that use the interfaces file and make calls to ifconfig (or other programs), and so if the script is failing but it works just fine manually then something is the matter with your config |
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| 15:49.44 | coffeecup | somiaj: http://paste.debian.net/238333/ |
| 15:49.48 | _val_ | coffeecup: your problem might be.. you either copied the configuration from a dos file leaving ^M chars behind. |
| 15:50.09 | _val_ | cat -A /etc/network/interfaces coult tell you if something is strange in ther |
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| 15:50.52 | _val_ | s/coult/could |
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| 15:51.06 | coffeecup | _val_: thx always good to know |
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| 15:51.51 | qdb | hello. i have recorded several phrases. they are in separate tracks, that is good for me. but iwant to play tracks separately. how to do so? no reply in #audacity |
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| 15:52.36 | somiaj | coffeecup: I notice that the last line has a comment in front of it, but the # isn't at the start of th eline...not sure if that is an issue |
| 15:52.42 | somiaj | coffeecup: don't see any obvious things missing/wrong |
| 15:52.47 | abrotman | qdb: say again ? |
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| 15:53.04 | reavengrey | ^ I dare you, say it again |
| 15:54.03 | abrotman | .. |
| 15:54.05 | qdb | abrotman i press recors, say, press stop. then again the same. then i have 2 tracks in window, parallel, if i press play, they play together, i want play single and single |
| 15:54.19 | reavengrey | Yea, thought to |
| 15:54.22 | reavengrey | *so |
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| 15:54.29 | abrotman | qdb: split to separate tracks ? |
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| 15:54.49 | qdb | abrotman, they are already separate but just play together |
| 15:55.06 | somiaj | I would imagine there is a way you can select/unselect tracks |
| 15:55.06 | abrotman | you want separate files? |
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| 15:55.20 | somiaj | but I haven't actually used that program |
| 15:55.38 | qdb | i try to press to one track or even select part in one track, no help |
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| 15:55.43 | abrotman | you can .. |
| 15:55.49 | abrotman | you can drag over the track, just play part of it |
| 15:56.04 | qdb | i could not , i ll try again |
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| 15:56.10 | lucezu | Hi, I would like to install zenity from source and modify a few flags on the build (I don't need webkit support). Is there a tool in Debian that would allow me to download/edit/build the .deb with my changes? |
| 15:56.32 | somiaj | lucezu: /msg dpkg package rebuild (I belive that is the useful factiod) |
| 15:56.39 | qdb | yes no help |
| 15:56.55 | somiaj | lucezu: you will have to modify the debian/rules script to add/remove any flags you want in your custom compile |
| 15:56.59 | qdb | though i see color selection in one track, second is also played |
| 15:57.01 | abrotman | perhaps it's the phrasing of your qusetion |
| 15:57.37 | ExeciN | Whenever I boot to debian and then back to OSX, I can't turn-off/use bluetooth. I am on OSX 10.8.2 |
| 15:57.43 | lucezu | somiaj: indeed, the factoid is clear, thank you. |
| 15:57.47 | coffeecup | mhh i rebootet and it does work know, i had another gateway set before which wasn't in the range of the subnet, i thought i can use ifdown and ifup to reload the configs |
| 15:57.54 | ExeciN | My Debian installation can read-only from the MacOS stuff so the problem should be in the PRAM. Right? |
| 15:58.10 | coffeecup | now after the reboot it does work |
| 15:58.29 | nkuttler | ExeciN: last time i checked linux couldn't do rw on hfs+ |
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| 15:59.22 | frikinz | lucezu: also that http://raphaelhertzog.com/2010/12/15/howto-to-rebuild-debian-packages/ it mentions creating a local version to differentiate from the original |
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| 15:59.54 | nkuttler | ExeciN: looks like that has changed though |
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| 16:00.32 | ExeciN | nkuttler: No hfs+ partitions are mounted anyway (just to ensure that it's not about a config file) |
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| 16:02.15 | qdb | muting one of them suggested in ##linux. it works. but it is not comfortable |
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| 16:03.13 | gnat_x | hi folks. what would cause aptitude to hit: E: Method gave invalid 200 URI Start message ? |
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| 16:04.10 | qdb | no , it should be comfortable for me |
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| 16:04.51 | anew | so i'm running wheezy and using cli to open programs.. is this correct i have to open a new putty session for every program i want to run ? |
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| 16:05.34 | Towzzer | in one session you can run something in the background with & |
| 16:05.36 | Towzzer | like program & |
| 16:05.41 | Iridos | anew, depends |
| 16:06.06 | gnat_x | nm. apt-get is happy, so i can figure out what's up with aptitute later. |
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| 16:06.30 | anew | ah in the background so i wont have to ctlc to run something else |
| 16:06.39 | dutchfish | anew, it is also possible to use screen to run multiple shell programs within one putty session |
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| 16:07.06 | dutchfish | anew, and switch between them |
| 16:07.07 | zykotick9 | anew: i'd highly recommend using tmux over screen... YMMV |
| 16:07.41 | anew | tmux ok let me download that |
| 16:08.15 | anew | wait i need this for windows lol |
| 16:08.46 | zykotick9 | anew: you using putty from windows, and run tmux on wheezy |
| 16:08.56 | anew | mind blown |
| 16:09.24 | Kingsy | is there a quicker way to grep through thousands and thousands of files? |
| 16:09.36 | Kingsy | other than grep -rl "blah" * |
| 16:09.43 | Kingsy | its taking hours |
| 16:09.59 | grothendieck | uhh |
| 16:10.22 | ChrisH | Kingsy: find . -name DDD | xargs grep -l with some options like pint0, check man find and man xargs |
| 16:10.51 | Kingsy | pint0 ? |
| 16:10.55 | jhutchins_wk | Still gonnna take time. |
| 16:10.57 | Kingsy | I have never seen that before. |
| 16:11.02 | grothendieck | yeah, narrow down how many files you are searching if possible |
| 16:11.22 | frikinz | irish version of grep only |
| 16:11.24 | ChrisH | Kingsy: typo: print0 and for xargs check --null |
| 16:11.37 | ChrisH | frikinz: cheers! |
| 16:11.38 | Towzzer | why not use -exec |
| 16:11.56 | frikinz | ChrisH: santé! |
| 16:11.57 | ChrisH | Towzzer: because I hate the exec syntax |
| 16:12.12 | ChrisH | frikinz: Merci |
| 16:13.00 | Kingsy | I cant do that see.. basically the problem is, I have about 9000 folders full of files. all of which do not have filenames (just f20151351.txt) for example (they were recovered files from a broken disk) so basically I want to grep through them and find specific files (hopefully) so I can recover them. |
| 16:13.46 | ChrisH | Towzzer: and I have the feeling (not verified) that xargs is faster as it hands over multiple files |
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| 16:14.18 | ChrisH | Kingsy: of cause this can be finde. find . -type f -print0 | xargs --null grep -l MYPATTERN |
| 16:14.26 | frikinz | there's grep --mmap too |
| 16:15.25 | Kingsy | ChrisH: what is the difference between a grep and using find to pipe in the information? |
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| 16:17.33 | lroe | how do I define a gateway for an interface but not have it become a default gw? |
| 16:18.32 | jhutchins_wk | By using find and then piping it through xargs rather than using find's exec feature, we introduce two additional layers of complexity, allowing more comprehensive use of our hardware's capabilities. |
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| 16:18.55 | jhutchins_wk | This slows the process and has a calming effect on the user. |
| 16:18.56 | frikinz | lroe: don't use keyword default? |
| 16:19.01 | lroe | I"m not |
| 16:19.17 | lroe | I am just using 'gateway xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx' |
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| 16:19.30 | lroe | but when I use the route command, I have 2 default gateways |
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| 16:19.55 | LV-426 | lroe, use the ip cmd - ip r a x/x via x.x.x.x dev eth0 |
| 16:20.10 | frikinz | lroe: ah you mean through e/n/interfaces file |
| 16:20.14 | lroe | yes |
| 16:20.29 | lroe | I can add the route manually and it doesn't show up as a default route |
| 16:20.36 | LV-426 | use post-up ... then |
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| 16:21.01 | frikinz | lroe: ^ |
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| 16:22.32 | anew | so in tmux if one window is 'doign something' how do i switch to another window ? |
| 16:22.41 | dimer | abrotman, so ive tried with original config, its still the same |
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| 16:23.24 | frikinz | anew: you know that you can run command in the background by puttinan '&' at the end? command & |
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| 16:23.36 | zykotick9 | anew: i'd recommend consulting tmux documentation. but <prefix> then "c" to create a new window, then <prefix> # to change, is one option. |
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| 16:24.05 | anew | so i should do that before i start a task ? |
| 16:24.16 | anew | because now i'm installing something, so to open a new prompt i'm screwed right |
| 16:24.33 | zykotick9 | anew: did you start tmux already? |
| 16:24.40 | anew | yes |
| 16:25.01 | zykotick9 | anew: then by default CTRL+b, then c for a new window |
| 16:25.36 | anew | perfect |
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| 16:26.11 | anew | what is a window called? terminal? so i can just google all the commands instead of asking u guys |
| 16:26.16 | zykotick9 | anew: fyi, ctrl+b " to get a split screen ;) |
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| 16:26.37 | anew | then how do i close a bash i'm on ? |
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| 16:29.46 | anew | ok i just use exit |
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| 16:43.23 | lroe | http://paste.debian.net/238343/ |
| 16:43.33 | lroe | my route command didn't have the intended effect |
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| 16:47.52 | dada | test |
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| 16:55.31 | darsie | Does squeeze have an unusually high number of updates? Was squeeze less mature when it was released? |
| 16:56.38 | EagleRock | darsie: 6.0.7 was just released, if that's what you mean |
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| 16:57.02 | darsie | no, but that may be the recent 50+ upgrades. |
| 16:57.24 | darsie | Is it still only security upgrades? |
| 16:57.38 | anew | ook... so if i open a tmux session, run a script... shut down the remote pc |
| 16:57.46 | anew | how can i log back into that session to see where it's at |
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| 16:57.59 | anew | say i want to sleep, then check on it in a couple hours |
| 16:58.05 | EagleRock | !tell darsie about 6.0.7 |
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| 16:58.27 | Pei | is there any way to log out of gnome and into console without having to reboot? |
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| 16:58.52 | Pei | like to re-start gnome without a reboot |
| 16:59.10 | babilen | Pei: Sure, just log into the console (e.g. on tty1) and stop the display manager (e.g. "service gdm3 stop" if you use that) |
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| 16:59.27 | EagleRock | Pei: ctrl+alt+f1 brings you to tty1 |
| 16:59.33 | Pei | yes |
| 16:59.36 | Pei | hrm.... |
| 17:00.02 | babilen | Well, you can also just restart gdm3 -- note that "restarting gnome" and "restarting gdm3" are two different things and that you can achieve the former simply by loggin out and then back in again. |
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| 17:00.35 | Pei | yeah i need to exit the whole wm |
| 17:00.54 | babilen | Pei: Are you referring to Xorg? |
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| 17:01.03 | Pei | yes |
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| 17:01.13 | babilen | yeah, then restart/stop the display manager |
| 17:01.26 | Pei | service stop dm? |
| 17:01.36 | babilen | see above |
| 17:01.36 | Pei | err |
| 17:01.36 | rical_ | Was just looking at debian sid (unsable) and it has a 3.2 kernel, is there backported stuff in that? |
| 17:01.44 | Pei | service dm stop |
| 17:01.51 | babilen | rical_: yes, plenty |
| 17:01.59 | rical_ | babilen: just checking, thanks |
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| 17:02.23 | anew | oklooks like Ctrl-B and then D works |
| 17:02.25 | innociv | I'm using the apt-get repo mysql 5.1 installation and I'm getting "Stopping MySQL database server: mysqld failed!" when I try to "sudo /etc/init.d/mysql stop". What should I be looking into? I also get "error: 'Access denied for user 'debian-sys-maint'@'localhost' (using password: YES)'" when just trying "sudo /etc/init.d/mysql status". Maybe I'm missing the password being set for debian-sys-maint? |
| 17:03.47 | babilen | rical_: They are noted in the changelog and you can browse the debian/patches/ directory in the source packages (online on packages.qa.debian.org → linux-2.6) -- There is also a 3.7 kernel in experimental, but the stable kernel typically comes with quite a number of backported bugfixes or additional hardware support. |
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| 17:05.44 | Pei | thanks guys |
| 17:05.56 | somiaj | innociv: it almost seems that the user debian-sys-maint does not have correct permissions/password in your database, so that user cannot do something needed in the shutdown script. |
| 17:06.12 | somiaj | innociv: how did you install mysql in the first place? |
| 17:06.46 | innociv | apt-get install mysql, mysql-server, and all that. |
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| 17:06.58 | innociv | But I think I may have messed up the db on mysql with debian-sys-maint in it, or the config. |
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| 17:08.26 | somiaj | yea if you messed up the install you can modify the /etc/init.d/mysql script to avoid the erroing out step to get it to stop. |
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| 17:11.04 | innociv | somiaj, what should I modify in there? |
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| 17:12.10 | somiaj | innociv: I don't want to look at the script and figure it out. Someting is corrupt you are gonna hvae to fix it |
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| 17:13.07 | innociv | I looked myself and I'm not really seeing it. I would think it'd be better to fix the user part though |
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| 17:13.26 | innociv | There is a /etc/mysql/debian.cnf with the username and password |
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| 17:21.29 | bigbee | is it possible to switch keyboard layouts US to DE in all desktop environments like in KDE |
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| 17:23.23 | EagleRock | !keymap |
| 17:23.23 | dpkg | Run "dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration" to change both your default console and X keymap; the setxkbmap utility can be used to adjust keymap settings during X operation. For setting up X keymaps, see xkeycaps, xev and ask me about <multimedia keys>. |
| 17:23.39 | EagleRock | bigbee: that might do it |
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| 17:24.17 | bigbee | appreciate the advise, thanks |
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| 17:25.45 | bigbee | EagleRock: will i be able to switch between them on the fly |
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| 17:27.32 | EagleRock | bigbee: depends on the DE...which one were you interested in? |
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| 17:34.55 | udoprog | is there an up to date git mirror for the patched debian kernel source? |
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| 17:36.16 | babilen | udoprog: The kernel team uses subversion IIRC -- you should find a link on http://packages.qa.debian.org → linux-2.6 |
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| 17:36.46 | babilen | udoprog: So to answer your question: No, there isn't AFAIK |
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| 17:37.51 | udoprog | babilen: ok, most of the patches look like they originated from a git tree so that made me curious :) |
| 17:37.53 | bigbee | sorry all, lost power to my system and all earlier messages reference keyboard layouts for desktops |
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| 17:38.51 | babilen | bigbee: That's okay, we are not angry or anything. |
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| 17:40.05 | bigbee | thanks, but i may have missed a response and hoped whomever sent something would resend it |
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| 17:41.32 | babilen | bigbee: Ah, fair enough |
| 17:41.40 | babilen | dpkg: tell bigbee about keymap |
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| 17:42.47 | tobe1896 | i'm using http://wiki.debian.org/Migrate32To64Bit to migrate to a 64-bit kernel but in the "chroot /chroot64" i get the error "chroot: failed to run command `/bin/bash': Exec format error". Anything missing? |
| 17:43.12 | bigbee | babilen: much appreciated thank you |
| 17:43.26 | babilen | np |
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| 17:43.54 | babilen | tobe1896: You are aware that the usual way to do that is to reinstall the system, aren't you? |
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| 17:45.45 | Brigo | tobe1896: debostrap finished without problem? |
| 17:46.46 | tobe1896 | babilen: no, i wasn't |
| 17:47.10 | tobe1896 | Brigo: with --verbose --foreign it worked |
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| 17:48.16 | DammitJim | is there a tool to measure how much data is being downloaded when visiting a website? |
| 17:48.27 | DammitJim | a tool that will give you the total? |
| 17:49.08 | Tex4000 | il cavaliere oscuro |
| 17:49.48 | Brigo | tobe1896: really i dont know what are doing this whoto. I just upgraded to 64 bits some days ago, and i reinstall from 0 in ohter partition, easily. |
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| 17:50.40 | Brigo | tobe1896: the only tricky thing is upgrading grub. |
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| 17:53.14 | tobe1896 | Brigo: so you installed from scratch?! |
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| 17:55.07 | erob | hi, why is /dev/sr0 not getting created with systemd/udev ? is this must be enabled as builtin in the kernel ? |
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| 17:56.12 | anew | so one question about tmux... the bottom bar is the number of bash you have open |
| 17:56.19 | anew | but when they stack on top of one another |
| 17:56.19 | erob | i see only /dev/sg0 but no /dev/sr0.. cant read udf disks :/ |
| 17:56.21 | anew | what is that? |
| 17:56.26 | anew | like [0] [1] [2] |
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| 17:58.56 | Slydder | hey all |
| 17:59.57 | Towzzer | hey slydder |
| 18:00.06 | Slydder | I was wondering if anyone here knows of an alternative to pam tty audit. seeing as how it is not available in squeeze or in wheezy. anyone? |
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| 18:04.55 | erob | why is there /dev/sg0 and sg1 but no /dev/sr0 ? |
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| 18:05.04 | erob | i don't get this :| |
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| 18:07.12 | erob | ls -l /dev/disk/by-id/ata-Optiarc_DVD_RW_AD-7530A_30644560_1143769Q111 |
| 18:07.12 | erob | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 9 Feb 25 22:39 /dev/disk/by-id/ata-Optiarc_DVD_RW_AD-7530A_30644560_1143769Q111 -> ../../hda |
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| 18:07.22 | erob | grr |
| 18:07.41 | erob | /dev/hda seem not able to mount dvds.. |
| 18:07.45 | erob | as well |
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| 18:08.43 | erob | any suggestions how to read/write to dvds in debian pls ? |
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| 18:12.18 | erob | should ide_cd_mod be loaded before sr_mod in /etc/modules to get sr0 at boot ? |
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| 18:15.02 | erob | did ide_scsi still exist in 3.4.11? |
| 18:15.16 | erob | anyone? |
| 18:15.21 | yucatan | when i runned apt-get install nginx php5 php5-mysql but nginx stull doesnt support php how should i eanbel it |
| 18:15.41 | Towzzer | apt-get install php-fpm |
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| 18:16.28 | reavengrey | the struggles of getting any linux distro to "just work" :< |
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| 18:16.45 | yucatan | and what is that exacly? |
| 18:16.54 | yucatan | why i need fpm for nginx but not for apache2 ? |
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| 18:17.42 | yucatan | E: Unable to locate package php-fpm |
| 18:17.49 | Sm0ke0ut | try php5-fpm |
| 18:18.11 | yucatan | i did |
| 18:18.21 | yucatan | E: Unable to locate package php5-fpm |
| 18:18.28 | boudiccas | ,v php5-fpm |
| 18:18.30 | judd | Package: php5-fpm on i386 -- sid: 5.4.4-13; wheezy: 5.4.4-13; experimental: 5.5.0~alpha5-1 |
| 18:18.34 | Sm0ke0ut | what's in your /etc/apt/sources.list ? |
| 18:18.35 | Towzzer | !dotdeb |
| 18:18.35 | dpkg | http://dotdeb.org/ is an unofficial package repository with emphasis on the <LAMP> solution stack, unsupported in #debian. To get support, read http://www.dotdeb.org/2012/08/24/how-to-post-useful-bug-reports/ and report any issues to https://github.com/gplessis/dotdeb-php5/issues . Ask me about <dotdeb alternatives>. |
| 18:18.39 | babilen | NO! |
| 18:18.57 | yucatan | my sources.list is default one |
| 18:19.14 | Sm0ke0ut | probably not else php5-fpm would've been known |
| 18:19.25 | boudiccas | yucatan: you have to be running wheezy onwards to use php5-fpm, |
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| 18:20.17 | babilen | yucatan: I take it that you are using squeeze and php5-fpm is /not/ in squeeze. While I don't know how to enable PHP in nginx there surely is a way on squeeze too, but you might want to discuss that in ##php or the nginx channel (they might know the answer off hand) |
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| 18:21.45 | babilen | yucatan: You could consider upgrading to wheezy and I would strongly recommend to /not/ touch dotdeb (yes, even with a barge pole!) -- Just be aware of the implications of running wheezy (no security support first and foremost, <wheezy security>) but it is expected to be released soon. That being said, there surely is a way to beat nginx into submission. |
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| 18:25.45 | babilen | e.g. linode has documentation to get fastcgi with spawn-fcgi running, but meh ... (there is a lot of other docmentation too) |
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| 18:32.41 | cardamon | Could someone running wicd for a wifi connection tell me what the output of the following looks like? $ wicd-cli --wireless -d | grep Quality | awk '{print $2}' |
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| 18:33.17 | cardamon | Please. |
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| 18:35.33 | abrotman | tell us yours first! |
| 18:36.02 | cardamon | abrotman: I use networkmanager. I have a script written for wicdcli that I'm adapting for nm. |
| 18:36.05 | cardamon | So I can't. |
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| 18:36.41 | cardamon | And the -d is --network-details, not --disconnect (that's -x). |
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| 18:37.26 | cardamon | Check the man page if you don't believe me (and you shouldn't). |
| 18:38.05 | cardamon | I just want to know the what the expected output looks like. |
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| 18:39.00 | cardamon | Is it just digits? Or is there a dbA unit on there? Percentage? |
| 18:39.46 | Iridos | bit difficult to say, not having wireless or wicd |
| 18:40.18 | cardamon | Iridos: I'm sure it is. |
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| 18:41.39 | ksk | hey. i have "ip=dhcp" in kernel-appendline- thus it keeps failing getting a ip-address and drops me to the busybox. any idea? can i specify the interface somehow? |
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| 18:43.56 | cardamon | abrotman: I use networkmanager. I have a script written for wicdcli that I'm adapting for nm. I haven't found an nmcli equivalent that gives signal strength. Even nmcli con status doesn't tell me anything useful beyond ESSID and uuid. |
| 18:44.05 | cardamon | Oops, sorry. |
| 18:44.22 | cardamon | Ignore that. I rolled my palm over the trackpad and it scrolled up. |
| 18:45.05 | cardamon | Well...don't ignore it. It actually says what I'm trying to do quite succinctly. |
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| 18:45.32 | HS^ | he, i do apt-get remove apache2 |
| 18:45.39 | HS^ | but after this command i can still start apache... |
| 18:45.41 | HS^ | its still there. |
| 18:45.46 | HS^ | what am i doing wrong? |
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| 18:47.47 | anew | i know this sounds stupid, but can i switch back and forth between tmux with the mouse at all? |
| 18:47.53 | KsM | yes |
| 18:48.12 | KsM | set -g mouse-select-pane on |
| 18:48.22 | anew | awesome thanks ksm |
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| 18:50.25 | anew | also ... i know i can detach a tmux so i can come back to it later if i log off my remote |
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| 18:50.35 | anew | but say i am running a gui program... how can i view that later as well? |
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| 18:51.07 | petemc | anew: ive used nomachines nx to do that |
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| 18:51.28 | anew | awesome let me google that |
| 18:51.43 | anew | oh actually this looks like exactly what i want |
| 18:51.46 | anew | better than tmux for what iw ant |
| 18:51.51 | HS^ | how do i completely run apache2? |
| 18:52.00 | HS^ | how weird, i thought apt-get uninstall did the trick |
| 18:52.16 | HS^ | i mean remove* not run |
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| 18:52.40 | DebianUsr | hey guys i know this is a debian channel but #httpd and #php just told me to f off basically when i tried asking them why instead of displaying .php pages, it tries to download it, and all my configs are correct i think but just to be sure can someone help me with it pease? |
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| 18:53.44 | babilen | dpkg: tell DebianUsr about php wants me to download still |
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| 18:53.51 | babilen | dpkg: tell DebianUsr about install php |
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| 18:54.09 | DebianUsr | oh hey babilen, ty again for helping me in the beginning :D and now :D |
| 18:54.31 | babilen | DebianUsr: Well, you managed the bit in the middle without me ;) |
| 18:55.17 | coffeecup | how can i disable the autostart of xen guests? my xend is starting all guests and crashes afterwards |
| 18:55.32 | minerale | I'm logged in to a EC2 machine and am trying to figure out what the various /dev/xvd* devices are (ebs volumes? ephemeral?) is there a tool that gives more info than just fdisk -l |
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| 19:03.44 | ronny | hi |
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| 19:06.00 | petn-randall | minerale: Checking the status of your EC2 machine over the web interface should give you that info. |
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| 19:06.15 | petn-randall | minerale: Until now I haven't found a way to do that from within the machine. |
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| 19:28.38 | khaije1 | is there a way to list all the X server variables?] |
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| 19:29.02 | khaije1 | in a bash shell preferably |
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| 19:29.28 | well_laid_lawn | man X ? |
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| 19:29.39 | well_laid_lawn | ;) |
| 19:29.58 | grzeslaw | hello guys.. did any of you know any app which stores the permissions and ownership of files in all system? If somebody for example made chmod 600 /etc/* or chown apache:apache /etc/* ? |
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| 19:31.06 | khaije1 | grzeslaw: you may be interested in tripwire |
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| 19:33.09 | grzeslaw | khaije1: yes you right thx, I forgot about it... but it is a huge app ;] |
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| 19:33.56 | pskosinski | Isn't data like this just in filesystem? |
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| 19:35.22 | Towzzer | they are probably stored in the metadata of the filesystem |
| 19:35.28 | Towzzer | each inode probably |
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| 19:36.33 | grzeslaw | probably.. |
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| 19:38.19 | DebianUsr | babilen: this still doesnt work. hmm. :| |
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| 19:43.58 | Iridos | how unusual, firefox unresponsive, but not using much cpu |
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| 19:45.57 | bit0 | Iridos, killall firefox-bin ? |
| 19:46.02 | Iridos | :( |
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| 19:46.34 | bit0 | Iridos, don't worry, it will restore session |
| 19:46.40 | Iridos | I know |
| 19:46.49 | Iridos | that's why I worry |
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| 19:47.16 | Iridos | oh well, seems nothing for it |
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| 19:47.19 | frikinz | on newer versions, it only refetches each tab when you select it |
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| 19:47.41 | Iridos | but on no version, it distributes windows over several desktops where they belong |
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| 19:49.49 | nullby7e | wheezy, when ? |
| 19:49.50 | bit0 | Iridos, yes, it's so smart :) |
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| 19:50.14 | Iridos | WIR |
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| 19:51.07 | Iridos | dpkg, wir |
| 19:51.07 | dpkg | wir is probably When It's Ready. See also <rsn> and <siyh>. |
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| 19:52.26 | DebianUsr | Does anyone have a fully functional Web serer using Apache running php files? Apparently I fail hardcore at setting it up. I read every single doc/man page out there. still downloads .php, not displays it |
| 19:52.35 | DebianUsr | server |
| 19:52.44 | dondelelcaro | !php wants me to download still |
| 19:52.45 | dpkg | The usual problem is browser caching of content, clear the browser cache and restart it. Verify it's a problem outside of the browser using wget, GET, curl, telnet, netcat etc. Carefully read <install php> and /usr/share/doc/php*-common/README.Debian.gz as many common problems are addressed. Since squeeze, mod_php is disabled in userdirs, see php*-common/NEWS.Debian.gz. http://wiki.apache.org/httpd/PHPDownload |
| 19:52.46 | Iridos | DebianUsr, empty the cache |
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| 19:52.59 | Pei | can someone take a look at this error with apt-get and tell me what i need to do to fix this shit... i can't perform upgrade or install or anything because of this; http://pastebin.com/03zWyWHn |
| 19:54.02 | Iridos | judd, versions libjson0 |
| 19:54.03 | judd | Package: libjson0 on i386 -- squeeze: 0.9-1; sid: 0.10-1.2; wheezy: 0.10-1.2 |
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| 19:54.12 | DebianUsr | Iridos, i thought i did, but chrome is terribly annoying so it doesnt want to |
| 19:54.28 | DebianUsr | dondelelcaro, as i stated already, i did everything it suggested |
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| 19:54.59 | dondelelcaro | DebianUsr: if you did everything, it would work. What happens when you use GET or wget or curl to view the php page? |
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| 19:55.04 | Pei | anything> |
| 19:55.21 | dondelelcaro | DebianUsr: where is the page? what is the output of HEAD http://foohost/foo.php ? |
| 19:55.25 | anew | ok i need to uninstall iceweasel and install firefox |
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| 19:57.01 | dondelelcaro | Pei: are you running unstable? what is the output of dpkg --print-architectures; dpkg --print-foreign-architectures; ? |
| 19:57.04 | Iridos | Pei, "welcome to sid"? |
| 19:57.13 | Iridos | well, or welcome to wheezy at least |
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| 19:57.22 | dondelelcaro | Pei: what is the output of dpkg -l libjson0 libjson0:i386? |
| 19:57.30 | Iridos | judd, versions libpixman-1-0 |
| 19:57.32 | judd | Package: libpixman-1-0 on i386 -- lenny: 0.10.0-2; lenny-backports: 0.16.4-1~bpo50+1; squeeze: 0.16.4-1; squeeze-backports: 0.24.0-1~bpo60+1; sid: 0.26.0-4; wheezy: 0.26.0-4 |
| 19:57.32 | Pei | installing from fresh install then |
| 19:57.35 | Pei | one sec |
| 19:57.41 | dondelelcaro | Pei: there's no reason to install from a fresh install |
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| 19:58.22 | DebianUsr | dondelelcaro; http://69.142.23.179/~sysop/ |
| 19:58.37 | Pei | i get this |
| 19:58.40 | Pei | http://pastebin.com/h1dUVDzU |
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| 19:59.14 | dondelelcaro | Pei: ok. |
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| 19:59.33 | dondelelcaro | Pei: you need to reinstall libjson0:amd64 and libjson0:i386, and they both need to be at 0.10-1.2 |
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| 19:59.45 | dondelelcaro | Pei: you shouldn't have been able to even get into that situtation without interrupting dpkg or similar |
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| 19:59.56 | Pei | and how.. exactly can i do that? |
| 20:00.21 | Pei | apt- get install --reinstall libjson0:amd64 doesn't work |
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| 20:00.42 | dondelelcaro | Pei: dpkg -i /var/cache/apt/archives/libjson0_0.10-1.2_{amd64,i386}.deb |
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| 20:00.52 | dondelelcaro | Pei: assuming that you have the right version of libjson installed |
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| 20:01.07 | dondelelcaro | Pei: you might also need to specify the other packages as well |
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| 20:01.33 | Pei | package libjson0:amd64 0.10-1.2 cannot be configured because libjson0:i386 is at a different version (0.9-1.1) |
| 20:01.50 | dondelelcaro | Pei: what was the exact command that you ran? |
| 20:02.04 | Pei | nevermind got it |
| 20:02.09 | Pei | i had to do 386 first |
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| 20:02.17 | Pei | now how about ssl |
| 20:02.17 | dondelelcaro | you have to do both at the same time, actually. |
| 20:02.23 | Pei | and pixman |
| 20:02.24 | dondelelcaro | Pei: dpkg -i /var/cache/apt/archives/{libjson0_0.10-1.2,libpixman-1-0_0.26.0-4,libssl1.0.0_1.0.1e-1}_{amd64,i386}.deb |
| 20:02.26 | Iridos | DebianUsr, fair enough, not cache |
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| 20:02.28 | dondelelcaro | will do it |
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| 20:02.42 | Pei | k |
| 20:02.45 | Pei | thnk you so much |
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| 20:02.57 | dondelelcaro | Pei: now, how did you actually get that failure to happen? |
| 20:03.09 | DebianUsr | Iridos: What does that mean? |
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| 20:03.20 | DebianUsr | Iridos oh nevermind |
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| 20:03.29 | dondelelcaro | Pei: because if you got that by just running apt-get or similar without interrupting it, that's a bug that we should find out about and fix. |
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| 20:04.11 | Pei | dondelelcaro: using dpkg -i -E * in /var/cache/apt/packages/ |
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| 20:04.24 | Pei | er |
| 20:04.26 | Pei | archivs |
| 20:04.30 | Pei | archives too |
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| 20:04.40 | DebianUsr | ok gonna shower. dondelelcaro if you can help i will be back shortly if youre still here i hope |
| 20:04.44 | Pei | it wasn't me |
| 20:04.48 | Pei | it was my friend |
| 20:04.59 | Pei | trying to get network-manager reinstalld |
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| 20:05.48 | dondelelcaro | Pei: uh... yeah. Don't use dpkg directly unless you know exactly what you're doing. |
| 20:06.07 | dondelelcaro | (there's never any case in which you'd run that command) |
| 20:06.27 | tpo | well _exactly_ is a bit exagerated... |
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| 20:07.18 | dondelelcaro | generally speaking, you shouldn't ever have to use dpkg directly. dpkg-query and associated commands, perhaps. |
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| 20:07.31 | powderedtoastman | hi |
| 20:07.42 | powderedtoastman | anyone use wmfs? |
| 20:07.52 | frikinz | dpkg -i in var cache is just looking for trouble :) |
| 20:07.52 | dpkg | package in var cache is just looking for trouble :) is already installed |
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| 20:08.09 | dondelelcaro | !tell powderedtoastman -about ask |
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| 20:08.39 | powderedtoastman | ask? |
| 20:08.41 | frikinz | dpkg: dpkg -i dpkg |
| 20:08.41 | dpkg | frikinz: bugger all, i dunno |
| 20:09.37 | dondelelcaro | powderedtoastman: ask your real question. If your question was if someone uses wmfs, consider the answer to be yes. |
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| 20:10.05 | powderedtoastman | ok |
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| 20:10.20 | dondelelcaro | or you might also try asking in #wmfs |
| 20:10.20 | Pei | frikinz: tell nir that |
| 20:10.32 | Pei | frikinz: hehe |
| 20:10.41 | powderedtoastman | I have tried wmfs on antiX and crunchbang |
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| 20:11.30 | powderedtoastman | the both have the same problem with screen tags not switching to show what screen you are on |
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| 20:11.50 | powderedtoastman | I was wondering if this is just a debian issue |
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| 20:12.27 | powderedtoastman | for example if I run wmfs on Slackware will it behave the same |
| 20:12.50 | Pei | slackware |
| 20:12.52 | Pei | YAAY!!!!! |
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| 20:12.57 | Pei | heh |
| 20:13.05 | dondelelcaro | powderedtoastman: as near as I can tell, Debian does not distribute wmfs. There's an ITP here, though: #678815 |
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| 20:13.20 | dondelelcaro | powderedtoastman: but you really want to ask this question in #wmfs |
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| 20:13.36 | dondelelcaro | or on their support mailing lists |
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| 20:14.49 | powderedtoastman | ok thanks dondelelcaro |
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| 20:23.04 | anew | http://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/new/ when i go to this link to install firefox, there is only windows release. where is the debian release? |
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| 20:24.14 | frikinz | in the repository and its called iceweasel |
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| 20:24.28 | anew | i had to uninstall iceweasel, i need the real firefox |
| 20:24.41 | anew | i am using a perl package and it's a nightmare if i use iceweasel |
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| 20:24.46 | anew | meaning i have to edit the package |
| 20:24.48 | anew | which i dont want to do |
| 20:25.03 | frikinz | anew: which debian is it? |
| 20:25.13 | anew | it woudl just make things harder... |
| 20:25.15 | anew | debian wheezy |
| 20:25.25 | frikinz | anew: as you also hang around in raspberrypi.. is that for the pi? |
| 20:25.34 | anew | hah yes... that's me lol |
| 20:26.02 | frikinz | if you install one package from debian repo on the pi, you'll have to reinstall the OS |
| 20:26.19 | anew | ? i dont understand |
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| 20:26.23 | anew | if i install which package ? |
| 20:26.40 | frikinz | what the pi foundation is not wheezy but raspberrypi wheezy |
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| 20:27.08 | anew | oh |
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| 20:27.09 | anew | yes |
| 20:27.09 | frikinz | any package |
| 20:27.12 | anew | raspberry wheezy then |
| 20:27.23 | frikinz | anew: that's probably why you were getting bus error iirc |
| 20:27.30 | anew | hmm yes |
| 20:27.32 | anew | correct |
| 20:27.36 | anew | shoot, so what do i do? |
| 20:27.41 | anew | i cant put firefox on here ? |
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| 20:28.15 | Roenie | lately i feel if i have to read the word raspberry or pi again i'm going to friggen kill myself, half my google searches i have to explicitly exclude it or i'll get nowhere |
| 20:28.28 | frikinz | anew: I'd rather modify the perl module. a search and replace shouldn't be too hard. |
| 20:28.30 | Roenie | wtf is the hype |
| 20:28.46 | Roenie | nukes all fads |
| 20:28.54 | EagleRock | Roenie: price? |
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| 20:29.14 | well_laid_lawn | there's the novelty value to it too |
| 20:29.24 | well_laid_lawn | doing more with less |
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| 20:29.31 | anew | argh... for starters it wont even download the module because it's looking for firefox |
| 20:29.36 | anew | so to even get past that part... |
| 20:29.47 | Roenie | exactly it's like the iphone / ipod / ipad hype - a gadget you don't need |
| 20:30.08 | EagleRock | isn't there a symlink to firefox when iceweasel is installed? |
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| 20:30.34 | frikinz | EagleRock: yeah |
| 20:30.47 | frikinz | anew: is the module public? |
| 20:30.56 | tpo | anew, you know about http://mozilla.debian.net/ |
| 20:31.00 | anew | yes |
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| 20:32.25 | frikinz | mozplugger? |
| 20:32.52 | frikinz | or what was the name of this nice module to control firefox from outside |
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| 20:33.20 | anew | mechanize |
| 20:33.27 | anew | and mozrepl |
| 20:33.32 | anew | my wife is screaming at me brb |
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| 20:33.42 | frikinz | ah not far. mozrepl |
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| 20:35.52 | anew | ok back |
| 20:35.58 | anew | ok so i'm screwed here |
| 20:35.59 | anew | argh |
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| 20:36.21 | anew | i wonder if i can put another lightweight debian on rpi |
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| 20:54.41 | DebianUsr | dondelelcaro are you there |
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| 20:55.06 | dondelelcaro | DebianUsr: yes; best to just ask your question, though. |
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| 20:55.32 | Pei | what's the command to show which packages i have installed? |
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| 20:55.53 | Iridos | it's dpkg -l |
| 20:56.40 | DebianUsr | Does anyone have a fully functional Web serer using Apache running php files? Apparently I fail hardcore at setting it up. still downloads .php, not displays it. the dpkg bot doesnt help me much. i added handlers, enabled mods, etc. |
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| 20:59.18 | dondelelcaro | DebianUsr: lots of us do. |
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| 20:59.51 | dondelelcaro | DebianUsr: however, for your case, php is disabled for user directories by default |
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| 21:00.08 | trewtwo_ | is "Vendor ID" the same as "Product ID" regarding USB devices? |
| 21:00.20 | dondelelcaro | trewtwo_: no |
| 21:00.45 | trewtwo_ | sorry, I meant "Device ID" and "Product ID" |
| 21:01.09 | DebianUsr | dondelelcaro. yea i read that too on one of the hundred web sites i read. but when i go to enable it. the config apache2 file and php.conf is enabled it already |
| 21:01.10 | dondelelcaro | trewtwo_: the device id is the concatenation of the vendor and product id, iirc. |
| 21:01.32 | DebianUsr | dondelelcaro, so now i have come back here to try and find out the solution :\ sorry |
| 21:02.08 | trewtwo_ | dondelelcaro: how do I find out bus.addr and vendor_id:product_id of a given USB device? |
| 21:02.25 | dondelelcaro | DebianUsr: show us your /etc/apache2/mods-available/php5.conf |
| 21:02.29 | dondelelcaro | DebianUsr: using a paste site. |
| 21:02.31 | DebianUsr | dondelelcaro that is atleast i think :D |
| 21:02.34 | DebianUsr | ok |
| 21:02.41 | Sevet | trewtwo_: lsusb |
| 21:02.55 | DebianUsr | http://pastie.org/6343764 dondelelcaro |
| 21:02.57 | trewtwo_ | Sevet: I don't know what is what |
| 21:03.04 | trewtwo_ | in its output |
| 21:04.01 | dondelelcaro | DebianUsr: read /usr/share/php5-common/NEWS.Debian.gz; and see where it talks about disabling php in userdirs. |
| 21:04.13 | dondelelcaro | DebianUsr: then fix that configuration file appropriately. |
| 21:04.26 | Sevet | trewtwo_: Bus $X Device $Y ID $VENDOR_ID:$PRODUCT_ID $DESCRIPTION |
| 21:04.26 | DebianUsr | i see thats a GZ file. i have to un zip it? |
| 21:04.35 | dondelelcaro | DebianUsr: zless /usr/share/php5-common/NEWS.Debian.gz |
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| 21:04.51 | DebianUsr | no such file or directory |
| 21:05.05 | trewtwo_ | Sevet: thanks a lot |
| 21:05.06 | dondelelcaro | DebianUsr: then gzip -dc /usr/share/php5-common/NEWS.Debian.gz|less |
| 21:05.58 | dondelelcaro | DebianUsr: err, zless /usr/share/doc/php5-common/NEWS.Debian.gz, rather |
| 21:06.06 | DebianUsr | dondelelcaro, got it. but now it gives me an error http://69.142.23.179/~sysop/ |
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| 21:06.25 | Sevet | trewtwo_: check the manpage for it, you can filter for a particular set of ids |
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| 21:08.01 | dondelelcaro | DebianUsr: check your server logs |
| 21:08.19 | dondelelcaro | DebianUsr: it'll be in /var/log/apache2/error.log by default, iirc. |
| 21:09.24 | DebianUsr | dondelelcaro - you are correct, but i dont know what the last bit means :| http://pastie.org/6343801 |
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| 21:10.23 | dondelelcaro | DebianUsr: it's <?php, not <? php, iirc. |
| 21:10.50 | DebianUsr | oh crap. you caught my typo in which i didn't |
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| 21:11.13 | DebianUsr | THANK YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 21:11.14 | DebianUsr | http://69.142.23.179/~sysop/ |
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| 21:12.14 | dondelelcaro | DebianUsr: no problem. However, in the future, you might want to try reading the things that dpkg tells you more carefully; this particular issue was covered: "Since squeeze, mod_php is disabled in userdirs, see php*-common/NEWS.Debian.gz." |
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| 21:13.08 | DebianUsr | I definantly will read things more carefully. |
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| 21:20.52 | AlexPortable | Any way I can limit a user to do some commands? |
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| 21:21.14 | AlexPortable | The user may only access screen, and may run 1 program |
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| 21:21.26 | phogg | AlexPortable: several ways. chroot is one |
| 21:21.27 | AlexPortable | so like; screen -R, and inside that screen he may run ./executable |
| 21:21.41 | AlexPortable | Isn't chroot kinda hard? |
| 21:21.47 | AlexPortable | because you have to copy every file that's meant for ssh access? |
| 21:22.12 | phogg | AlexPortable: why not set up the user's shell such that it launches screen and has screen launch the executable and exits the shell when screen exits |
| 21:22.27 | AlexPortable | How can I do this? |
| 21:22.35 | well_laid_lawn | limiting PATH can help too |
| 21:22.55 | phogg | well_laid_lawn: sure, but it doesn't prevent execution just makes it a little harder |
| 21:22.57 | AlexPortable | He may not download new files or something |
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| 21:23.20 | AlexPortable | Only access to one executable while in screen session |
| 21:23.23 | AlexPortable | also no htop and stuff |
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| 21:23.38 | ompaul | AlexPortable: as long as the executable has no way to invoke a shell, -00- and you have to be sure of the security of that program |
| 21:23.51 | AlexPortable | I have no idea if it haves |
| 21:24.03 | ompaul | AlexPortable: I suggest you find out read its man page |
| 21:24.04 | AlexPortable | It's a game server |
| 21:24.10 | AlexPortable | It doesn't haves a man page |
| 21:24.47 | ompaul | written by someone you know or someone else with or without source |
| 21:25.00 | AlexPortable | someone else with source |
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| 21:26.26 | ompaul | AlexPortable: there is a feeling abroad, that if you give someone a shell account on your machine you are asking for it, when you allow a server to run it has to be secure and only touch the libs it is supposed to - I suggest you learn selinux and get it right |
| 21:27.18 | AlexPortable | i thought selinux wasn't included in debian |
| 21:27.33 | iderik | I have a fresh install of Debian. What kind of graphicdrivers are installed already? The game Minecraft is unplayable, is that because of openjdk-6-jre? Do I really need to install sun's java? :/ |
| 21:28.30 | ompaul | ,versions selinux |
| 21:28.31 | judd | No package named 'selinux' was found in i386. |
| 21:28.55 | ompaul | ,versions selinux-utils |
| 21:28.56 | judd | Package: selinux-utils on i386 -- lenny: 2.0.65-5; squeeze: 2.0.96-1; sid: 2.1.9-5; wheezy: 2.1.9-5; experimental: 2.1.12-1 |
| 21:29.00 | AlexPortable | ah |
| 21:29.03 | KsM | iderik: try icedtea |
| 21:29.10 | ompaul | AlexPortable: apt-cache search selinux |
| 21:29.11 | AlexPortable | what about this? http://stackoverflow.com/questions/402615/how-to-restrict-ssh-users-to-a-predefined-set-of-commands-after-login |
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| 21:29.29 | babilen | AlexPortable: That webpage is not included in Debian |
| 21:29.39 | babilen | shows himself out |
| 21:29.50 | AlexPortable | babilen: neither is your name |
| 21:29.59 | tigerente | iderik: do you have the nonfree repository enabled? |
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| 21:30.56 | AlexPortable | or this http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/linux-unix-restrict-shell-access-with-rssh.html |
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| 21:31.52 | abrotman | put it in a chroot? |
| 21:32.03 | babilen | dpkg: tell AlexPortable -about scponly |
| 21:32.18 | babilen | oh, scponly was removed :( |
| 21:32.24 | zzing | I just installed on an E5-2470 which has 8 cores officially, when booting it says "[ 1.791645] Total of 16 processors activated (73597.82 BogoMIPS)." is that normal that it would say that? |
| 21:32.40 | babilen | dpkg: tell AlexPortable -about rssh |
| 21:32.47 | AlexPortable | zzing: HT? |
| 21:33.02 | zzing | AlexPortable, I was thinking that, but not sure how to find out |
| 21:33.05 | AlexPortable | babilen: that was the link i just gave |
| 21:33.12 | Sm0ke0ut | zzing: probably, yes. probably because of "HyperThreading" |
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| 21:33.30 | babilen | AlexPortable: Ok, so what is your question? |
| 21:33.38 | zzing | oh here it is on the product page "# of Threads 16" |
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| 21:33.44 | Sm0ke0ut | zzing: I think it's in /proc/cpuinfo |
| 21:34.32 | iderik | tigerente: no, since they removed sun java from the repo. I rather use opensourced but since openjdk cant handle a simple game like minecraft, i dont know what to do.. |
| 21:34.35 | AlexPortable | babilen: how to set this all up |
| 21:34.59 | tigerente | iderik: is it wheezy or squeeze? |
| 21:35.04 | iderik | KsM: isnt icedtea only for webbrowser stuff? |
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| 21:36.21 | KsM | java -version |
| 21:36.21 | KsM | java version "1.7.0_03" |
| 21:36.21 | KsM | OpenJDK Runtime Environment (IcedTea7 2.1.3) (7u3-2.1.3-1) |
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| 21:37.47 | greenWork | How log does it take to build a raid? |
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| 21:37.54 | greenWork | Its been 14 hours |
| 21:37.55 | greenWork | http://i.imgur.com/NF3Ceox.png |
| 21:38.25 | greenWork | I have never used mdadm before. Is it formatting the raid? |
| 21:38.36 | iderik | tigerente: squeeze (6.x?), I think. wheezy isnt stable yet, right? I downloaded the image a few days ago |
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| 21:39.40 | tigerente | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:39.45 | ompaul | greenWork: (A) software raid I wouldn't trust (B) it shouldn't take too long unless (C) your machine is underpowered with its cpu and (D) your disks are vast |
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| 21:40.34 | iderik | tigerente KsM : E: Unable to locate package openjdk-7-jre |
| 21:40.44 | iderik | OpenJDK Runtime Environment (IcedTea6 1.8.13) (6b18-1.8.13-0+squeeze2) |
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| 21:45.49 | AlexPortable | anyone familiar with git? |
| 21:47.23 | greenWork | I have to use a soft raid. Its a home server running esxi which does not recognise the raid controler. |
| 21:47.41 | greenWork | my cpu is slow and my disk is vast. I guess I will just have to wait. |
| 21:47.49 | greenWork | At the rate its going it should be done in about a week. |
| 21:47.53 | tigerente | iderik: dont you think squeeze has a not compatible version for this game? (due to the time it was released) |
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| 21:48.44 | ompaul | greenWork: how vast and how fast |
| 21:49.33 | greenWork | sempron with 8TBs |
| 21:49.45 | ompaul | greenWork: enjoy |
| 21:49.48 | greenWork | I am going to upgrade the cpu shortly. Its not the only vm. |
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| 21:50.32 | ompaul | greenWork: you're not mirroring are you? |
| 21:50.36 | greenWork | raid 10 |
| 21:50.40 | greenWork | so yes |
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| 21:50.46 | greenWork | I don't trust raid 5 |
| 21:51.11 | ompaul | raid is only as good as the mother board or controller |
| 21:51.21 | ompaul | I hoope you have backups |
| 21:51.33 | greenWork | Do you think I should just run on single disks? |
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| 21:51.49 | greenWork | I don't but its just a home server. It will have media and sandbox'd vms |
| 21:52.15 | ompaul | lvm and xen but that's just me |
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| 22:23.34 | fresh | hey folks |
| 22:23.43 | fresh | is there encryption channel on freenode? |
| 22:24.28 | fresh | I want to installl otr-pidgin on windows and something is buggy |
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| 22:25.06 | fresh | hey eir |
| 22:25.17 | fresh | have you used otr for pidgin? |
| 22:25.18 | fresh | :) |
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| 22:26.31 | dondelelcaro | fresh: this is #debian; you probably want #pidgin or ##windows |
| 22:27.24 | fresh | dondelelcaro: |
| 22:27.27 | fresh | cool |
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| 22:34.09 | markovh | anyone oddly familiar with the changes debian have made to the kernel? I'm fairly impressed that it seems to be 2.4 megs? |
| 22:34.33 | markovh | as apposed to be unchanged build of 3.8 which vmlinux turned out to be 156 megs |
| 22:34.57 | markovh | thumbing through the diff at this stage |
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| 22:35.09 | markovh | but it's like 1 million lines.. |
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| 22:36.54 | abrotman | markovh: you mean the Debian specific changes? |
| 22:37.07 | markovh | yeah |
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| 22:38.03 | markovh | also curious how it's so small if i'm understanding it all right. My build still built kernel modules as far as i know so it's not like it built everything into one binary |
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| 22:40.10 | abrotman | markovh: AIUI, that's just the diff from vanilla to Debian |
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| 22:40.57 | markovh | abrotman: just? |
| 22:44.00 | jhutchins_wk | markovh: Not sure what you mean by "unchanged", but is it possible the big kernel has debugging symbols? |
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| 22:44.42 | markovh | .... yep |
| 22:44.56 | markovh | still down to 12 megs though as apposed to 4 |
| 22:45.03 | jhutchins_wk | markovh: My squeeze is 2.2M, a RH5 I have is 2.1. |
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| 22:46.01 | markovh | jhutchins_wk: my question was how? what are debian removing or perhaps moving into modules? |
| 22:46.21 | jhutchins_wk | markovh: Did you diff the configs? |
| 22:46.28 | markovh | it's 1 million line diff |
| 22:46.39 | markovh | wait configs? |
| 22:46.43 | markovh | which configs |
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| 22:48.52 | abrotman | might be better to ask #debian-kernel on oftc |
| 22:49.00 | markovh | i have |
| 22:49.00 | jhutchins_wk | /boot/config<version> for Debian, not sure what other kernel you're talking about, but it's the .config file that was used for the build. |
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| 22:49.56 | abrotman | he's diffing the source, not the binary? |
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| 22:50.36 | markovh | i'm not actually diffing anything |
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| 22:50.50 | markovh | i'm reading the .diff file included in the package to go from original to debian's version |
| 22:52.26 | dondelelcaro | markovh: which kernel package? |
| 22:52.43 | markovh | linux-2.6-2.6.32 |
| 22:52.57 | dondelelcaro | markovh: oh. There are lots of backported security patches and other things in that kernel |
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| 22:53.31 | dondelelcaro | markovh: we tend to have far smaller diffs in newer kernels... and there, they're separated out. |
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| 22:55.23 | dondelelcaro | markovh: but in any event, you'll probably find it easier to actually unpack the source package, and look at debian/patches |
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| 22:56.39 | pdn | Is there any way to look at a source package (replete with debian/ folder), and generate a list of its dependencies without manually writing a parser for the control file? |
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| 22:57.02 | dondelelcaro | pdn: which dependencies do you want to know? |
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| 22:57.34 | pdn | Package dependencies. "What packages does this package depend upon" |
| 22:57.38 | dondelelcaro | pdn: if it's build dependencies, those are just listed as text. dependencies in the binary packages are a bit more complicated, as they depend on the environment that the package was built in. |
| 22:57.47 | dondelelcaro | pdn: for the most part, you just look at the control file. |
| 22:58.20 | pdn | Right, it's just text, but said text has version info, etc. |
| 22:58.33 | dondelelcaro | pdn: right |
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| 22:58.40 | dondelelcaro | pdn: but that's all part of the dependency information |
| 22:58.44 | pdn | This version info is not per se relevant. |
| 22:59.01 | dondelelcaro | pdn: what exactly are you trying to do? |
| 22:59.18 | pdn | In the context of this particular problem, I want to know if foo depends on bar so that I can go out and compile bar. |
| 22:59.43 | pdn | It's a build system-y thing. (Yes, I'm sure there are better ways to do this, but, eh, this is what I have to deal with today) |
| 23:00.13 | dondelelcaro | pdn: for build systems, Debian handles this using wanna-build. But that's a build dependency, not a binary dependency... they're two separate things |
| 23:00.50 | pdn | Yea, this is build dependencies, sorry. |
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| 23:01.10 | dondelelcaro | pdn: are you trying to build Debian packages? or what? |
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| 23:01.55 | pdn | dondelelcaro: Yes, I want to take a big pile of debian source packages and compile them (in the proper order) with dpkg-buildpackage |
| 23:02.16 | dondelelcaro | pdn: cool. How big a pile are we talking about? |
| 23:02.29 | pdn | Too big to manually eyeball. |
| 23:02.59 | dondelelcaro | pdn: if it's less than about a hundred, then manually is probably easiest to do using sbuild or similar, with a loop until all of them succeed. |
| 23:03.09 | pdn | dondelelcaro: It's more than that. |
| 23:03.12 | dondelelcaro | pdn: if it's more than a hundred, the right tool for this is wanna-build and dak. |
| 23:03.18 | dondelelcaro | pdn: with buildd. |
| 23:03.47 | pdn | Problem is: I have my own custom tool and am working within the constraints of not having had buildd set up. (this is an industry installation) |
| 23:03.59 | dondelelcaro | heh |
| 23:04.17 | dondelelcaro | ok, well, you can certainly do it with your own custom tool, you'll just have to calculate the closure yourself |
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| 23:04.48 | dondelelcaro | the usual method is to go through each package, and see if you can satisfy the build dependencies, and if so, build it, if not skip it. |
| 23:05.00 | pdn | dondelelcaro: Yeah, I'm trying to find a debian tool that will look at a source package and return a list of the packages it needs to build to build prior to building the source |
| 23:05.09 | pdn | right now there's a miserable batch of awk |
| 23:07.00 | dondelelcaro | pdn: so to calculate that, wanna-build uses edos-debcheck. |
| 23:07.19 | dondelelcaro | pdn: it's in the edos-distcheck package |
| 23:07.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | there's a tool to build the whole dependency tree.. now if only I could remember what it was called |
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| 23:08.56 | pdn | dondelelcaro: hadn't heard of edos-distcheck before. I will investigate :: reads man page :: |
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| 23:17.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | pdn, package srcinst |
| 23:17.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | but seems it never worked too well(?) |
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| 23:18.12 | pdn | CutMeOwnThroat: I'll take a look |
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| 23:19.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | pdn, "apt-cache show srcinst" seems to describe something rather close to what you looked for |
| 23:19.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | I might have tried it out a long time ago |
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| 23:20.21 | pdn | CutMeOwnThroat: yeah, it is very similar: it recursively builds instead of just prints out deps, but it has some level of possibility |
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| 23:22.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | and it has no manpage, eww |
| 23:26.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh well |
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| 23:30.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | I now see it's not so useful being just a proof |
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| 23:35.04 | twiggz | dadoot. |
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