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| 00:40.08 | meder | i have debian 6 stable on fresh thinkpad t430 and unable to detect wireless card. tried dmesg and lspci. any tips? |
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| 00:40.14 | meder | tried bios too, not sure what my wnic is |
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| 00:40.58 | abrotman | meder: lspci -nn .. what's the wireless device? you probalby need to install firmware |
| 00:41.10 | abrotman | does your wired connectoin work ? |
| 00:41.15 | meder | wired works |
| 00:41.33 | meder | should i look for Wireless controller? if so not there |
| 00:41.39 | meder | it only lists Ethernet controller |
| 00:41.43 | meder | there's Network controller too |
| 00:41.48 | greenWork | I think my mdadm raid build may be stuck. It made it to 9% in about 8 hours. Its still at 9% 12 hours after that. |
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| 00:41.57 | abrotman | meder: lspci -nn .. pastebin please |
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| 00:42.10 | abrotman | greenWork: is it like 20TB? |
| 00:42.22 | greenWork | 8TB |
| 00:42.27 | greenWork | with a very slow cpu |
| 00:42.52 | abrotman | how slow is very slow? |
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| 00:42.59 | greenWork | sempron single core |
| 00:43.07 | greenWork | 2.7Ghz |
| 00:43.08 | abrotman | but 2Ghz or so? |
| 00:43.14 | abrotman | don't think that should take that long |
| 00:43.29 | greenWork | can I check for activity? |
| 00:43.39 | greenWork | disk activity |
| 00:43.48 | KsM | iotop |
| 00:44.04 | HaZiLLa | Anyone from the UK here and is on BT Infinity? |
| 00:44.18 | abrotman | or iostat |
| 00:44.34 | greenWork | I have no disk activity at all |
| 00:44.50 | abrotman | is the CPU pegged? |
| 00:45.09 | greenWork | it says 0 |
| 00:45.21 | greenWork | but it also says load average 2.00, 1.99, 1.91 |
| 00:45.25 | greenWork | so yes |
| 00:45.35 | abrotman | that could be an IO problem |
| 00:46.06 | meder | abrotman: its annoying to pastebin bcuz its proxy and i tried to setup browser proxy and it doesnt work |
| 00:46.09 | meder | ill manually type it on this comp |
| 00:46.21 | abrotman | meder: are you IRCing from the computer with the problem? |
| 00:46.25 | meder | no |
| 00:46.31 | abrotman | well then, nevermind! |
| 00:46.31 | greenWork | http://imgur.com/aKBFvMN |
| 00:46.33 | meder | id have to setup proxy via ssh |
| 00:47.06 | meder | abrotman: its intel |
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| 00:47.12 | meder | everything in lspci is intel |
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| 00:47.16 | meder | intel nic |
| 00:47.22 | abrotman | meder: so it's showing the Intel Wireless device? |
| 00:47.34 | abrotman | 03:00.0 Network controller [0280]: Intel Corporation Ultimate N WiFi Link 5300 [8086:4236] |
| 00:47.38 | abrotman | like that ? |
| 00:47.56 | meder | Network controller [0280]: Intel Corporatoin 6000 Series Gen2 |
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| 00:48.24 | meder | it doesnt say Wireless just that |
| 00:48.45 | abrotman | meder: try running 'update-pciids' and then try again |
| 00:49.13 | meder | i ran that as root |
| 00:49.17 | abrotman | yes |
| 00:49.19 | meder | and that didnt seem to do anything, no response |
| 00:49.41 | abrotman | it won't appear to do anything |
| 00:49.46 | abrotman | just run the lspci -nn again |
| 00:49.57 | abrotman | (you're looking to see if you get a better description) |
| 00:49.59 | meder | ok |
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| 00:50.01 | meder | seems the same |
| 00:50.07 | meder | do u want the Ethernet controller? |
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| 00:50.21 | abrotman | if you do lspci -nn, it will have a PCIID at the end .. that's the part we want |
| 00:50.21 | meder | Intel Corporation 82579LM Gigabit Network Conn.. |
| 00:50.26 | meder | Network controller is still the same |
| 00:50.27 | abrotman | that's the wired .. |
| 00:50.31 | meder | there's no Wireless in there |
| 00:50.35 | meder | right. |
| 00:50.39 | abrotman | no other Network controller? |
| 00:50.44 | meder | nope |
| 00:50.47 | meder | just Network and Ethernet |
| 00:50.49 | abrotman | what about in lsusb ? |
| 00:50.50 | meder | also, |
| 00:51.02 | meder | Broadcomp Corp. |
| 00:51.18 | meder | couple results but Broadcom sounds familiar as wnic-ish |
| 00:51.21 | meder | in lsusb |
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| 00:51.47 | meder | http://wiki.debian.org/iwlwifi |
| 00:51.49 | meder | what about this |
| 00:51.53 | meder | Intel 6000 Series WiFi Adapters (6200AGN and 6300AGN) |
| 00:52.05 | abrotman | so install the firmware-iwlwifi .. see if appears |
| 00:52.14 | abrotman | make sure your switches are on, and check rfkill also |
| 00:53.59 | abrotman | !tell meder about non-free |
| 00:54.12 | abrotman | !tell meder about iwlwifi |
| 00:54.31 | meder | is non-free absolutely necessary |
| 00:54.36 | meder | wel for flash ill need it anyway |
| 00:55.00 | abrotman | pretty much every wifi device needs firmware now |
| 00:55.03 | abrotman | there are a few that don't |
| 00:55.05 | meder | ic |
| 00:55.58 | meder | ok |
| 00:55.59 | meder | i installed it |
| 00:56.04 | meder | and did the modprobe line |
| 00:56.08 | meder | # modprobe -r iwlagn ; modprobe iwlagn |
| 00:56.12 | abrotman | any change? |
| 00:56.13 | meder | then iwconfig and then lspci -nn |
| 00:56.14 | meder | same thing |
| 00:56.14 | meder | nope |
| 00:56.23 | abrotman | check in dmesg for wireless notifications |
| 00:56.39 | meder | what should i grep in dmesg |
| 00:56.46 | meder | i see Wireless Wifi Link AGN Driver |
| 00:56.50 | meder | but isnt that because i installed it |
| 00:57.02 | abrotman | did you check with rfkill yet? |
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| 00:57.16 | meder | what do i do, just 'rfkill' ? |
| 00:57.16 | abrotman | meder: this system has no internet for you to IRC from ? |
| 00:57.32 | meder | it is using aptitude thru network proxy |
| 00:57.41 | meder | browser doesnt work |
| 00:57.43 | meder | tried to proxy config it |
| 00:57.48 | meder | only aptitude is setup |
| 00:57.51 | meder | to use the proxy. |
| 00:57.54 | abrotman | mkay |
| 00:58.00 | abrotman | and you can't ssh to it? |
| 00:58.04 | meder | nope |
| 00:58.12 | meder | only 1 network line |
| 00:58.14 | meder | lol |
| 00:58.19 | abrotman | that's fun |
| 00:58.47 | abrotman | meder: so with dmesg, you see that it's an intel device? |
| 00:58.55 | meder | yup |
| 00:59.07 | meder | it says intel Wireless WiFi Link AGN driver for Linux 1.3.27ks |
| 00:59.09 | meder | iwlagn |
| 00:59.25 | abrotman | and dmesg says what about it ? |
| 00:59.33 | abrotman | it's not configured? |
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| 01:00.45 | meder | it says start frequency |
| 01:00.47 | meder | end frequency |
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| 01:00.54 | meder | 2402000 KHz, etc |
| 01:00.57 | meder | calling CRDA for country: US |
| 01:01.02 | abrotman | seems like it's working, just needs to be configured |
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| 01:01.15 | meder | is that only because i installed that thing above |
| 01:01.21 | abrotman | probably |
| 01:02.46 | meder | mm |
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| 01:03.23 | abrotman | do you have a GUI, or just CLI? |
| 01:03.58 | meder | gui |
| 01:03.59 | meder | thank god |
| 01:04.28 | abrotman | so you're configure the wifi now ? |
| 01:04.34 | meder | uh |
| 01:04.42 | meder | in the network thing at the top right |
| 01:04.45 | meder | when u right lcick |
| 01:04.47 | abrotman | sure! |
| 01:04.49 | meder | there is no Enable Wireless |
| 01:04.56 | meder | so |
| 01:04.58 | abrotman | you may have to reboot for it to pick it up |
| 01:05.00 | meder | im not sure what im suppsoed to do |
| 01:05.02 | meder | oh.. |
| 01:05.11 | abrotman | that thing is generated when you login |
| 01:05.15 | meder | ic |
| 01:05.17 | meder | kk |
| 01:05.26 | abrotman | don't think it will do that if you just load a random driver ... not sur ehow smart network-manager is |
| 01:05.26 | meder | btw, |
| 01:05.30 | meder | another weird thing is.. |
| 01:05.36 | meder | when i log out it stays on a blue screen |
| 01:05.37 | meder | forever |
| 01:05.39 | meder | when i restart it doesnt |
| 01:05.40 | meder | heh |
| 01:05.47 | meder | but forget about that for now |
| 01:05.49 | abrotman | let's work on your wifi now |
| 01:05.50 | abrotman | for now |
| 01:05.57 | meder | agreed |
| 01:06.20 | meder | lspci -nn is the same as before |
| 01:06.26 | meder | wireless not an option in top right |
| 01:06.26 | abrotman | did you reboot yet? |
| 01:06.34 | meder | yup. |
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| 01:06.54 | abrotman | checked dmesg again ? |
| 01:07.09 | meder | what should i grep for |
| 01:07.11 | meder | in dmesg |
| 01:07.22 | abrotman | grep -i intel /var/log/dmesg |
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| 01:07.53 | meder | CPU, e10000 Network Driver |
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| 01:08.01 | meder | PRO/1000 Network Connection |
| 01:08.05 | meder | eth0, so ethernet |
| 01:08.12 | meder | ata, scsi, HDA intel |
| 01:08.15 | meder | so nothing about wlan |
| 01:08.17 | abrotman | so let's explore the broadcom stuff |
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| 01:08.29 | abrotman | look at the lsusb again .. does it give you any useful information? |
| 01:08.47 | meder | just says |
| 01:08.54 | meder | device 002 intel rate matching hub, root hub, blabla |
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| 01:09.00 | meder | chicony electronics, broadcom corp, upek |
| 01:09.08 | meder | those are the 3 diff ones other than linux/intel |
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| 01:09.09 | abrotman | yeah, need to know what teh broadcom thing is |
| 01:09.42 | abrotman | dmesg may also help here |
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| 01:09.45 | meder | http://wiki.debian.org/bcm43xx |
| 01:09.47 | meder | should i try that |
| 01:10.00 | abrotman | did you use rfkill yet to see if anything is blocked? |
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| 01:10.11 | meder | just 'rfkill' ? lemme try |
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| 01:10.20 | meder | 'rfkill' not found |
| 01:10.22 | meder | dling it.. |
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| 01:11.03 | meder | dl'd it, not sure what command to type after 'rfkill' |
| 01:11.06 | g0dfrey | wireshark 1.8.2 can't quit sometimes |
| 01:11.26 | g0dfrey | it should be updated |
| 01:11.41 | abrotman | meder: if you type "ifconfig -a" .. how many network devices do yo uhave? |
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| 01:12.19 | meder | 3 |
| 01:12.22 | meder | eth0, lo, pan0 |
| 01:13.04 | abrotman | none of those |
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| 01:13.18 | abrotman | are you sure you can't get this machine online with IRC? it'd be so much easier |
| 01:13.25 | rubberneck | Is there a preferred pastbin for this channel? |
| 01:13.32 | abrotman | rubberneck: paste.debian.net |
| 01:13.48 | meder | abrotman: |
| 01:13.51 | meder | what are u specifically suggesting |
| 01:13.53 | meder | like u ssh into it? |
| 01:13.56 | abrotman | no |
| 01:14.00 | meder | or paste stuff |
| 01:14.04 | abrotman | like you can pastebin stuff for us to review :) |
| 01:14.08 | meder | ok |
| 01:14.09 | meder | well |
| 01:14.20 | meder | how the hell does my aptitude take the proxy stuff and work fine |
| 01:14.23 | meder | and the browser not |
| 01:14.24 | meder | god.. |
| 01:14.34 | superlinux-hp | hi. i have a bluetooth earpiece that's now paired with my laptop. how can i make it my default microphone? |
| 01:14.34 | abrotman | !http_proxy |
| 01:14.34 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, http_proxy is export 'http_proxy=http://PROXY:port/' -- it can be used with apt-get or lynx or wget (but not links/links2) - the trailing slash is important! Export 'http_proxy=http://username:password@proxy:port/' if you need to authenticate. Note that http_proxy could be set from your preferences by your window manager, and can be set (manually or auto-detected) in your browser (e.g. chromium). |
| 01:15.07 | abrotman | meder: work on that a bit .. i'm going to stuff my face for a minute or two |
| 01:16.21 | meder | well |
| 01:16.28 | meder | the 'export' stuff u just noted |
| 01:16.31 | meder | dont think applies to browser |
| 01:16.36 | meder | unless browser is setup to use system defaults |
| 01:16.45 | meder | and i just tried all the options in the browser to use system defaults after trying export, lol |
| 01:16.48 | meder | my god |
| 01:16.49 | meder | today is just failcity |
| 01:17.00 | meder | im gonna go get some food |
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| 01:17.10 | meder | brb in like 20 |
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| 01:17.45 | rubberneck | I cannot reach destinations outside my local subnet. I don't know why. Please take a look. http://paste.debian.net/238454/ |
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| 01:21.05 | emss | superlinux-hp: amixer alsamixer possibly something specific to what you use gnome kde etc. |
| 01:21.14 | emss | kde has kmix |
| 01:21.16 | superlinux-hp | ok |
| 01:21.47 | emss | but kmix or any other gui mixer application is just a frontend to amixer/alsamixer/alsa |
| 01:22.33 | abrotman | meder: where'd you go?! |
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| 01:25.04 | meder | eating |
| 01:25.05 | superlinux-hp | emss, i don't see anything related to my earpiece in the mixers |
| 01:25.06 | meder | lol |
| 01:25.14 | abrotman | ok |
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| 01:26.37 | WillPittenger | I'm having troubles upgrading Java 7 and the Oracle JDK 7. Sun provides a tar.gz and a RPM. I think the RPM would be better as it would install files to the folders where NetBeans IDE (also from Oracle) look for it. Currently, the NetBeans installer seems to only see Java 6. |
| 01:26.43 | emss | superlinux-hp: i don't know anything about bluetooth. was it detected? |
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| 01:27.10 | superlinux-hp | it was paired. yes! |
| 01:27.23 | rubberneck | For anyone that may have been looking into my issue. I found that it was a firewall problem rather than an issue with my local Debian config. Thanks. |
| 01:29.21 | superlinux-hp | emss, it needs something to be added to alsa.conf |
| 01:29.35 | superlinux-hp | i just looked it up |
| 01:29.39 | emss | ok |
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| 01:31.31 | emss | to set it as default or to enable alsa to recognize it? |
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| 01:31.54 | WillPittenger | I tried using alien to convert the RPMs to Deb, but it tells me it can't find some lib files. I don't know how to locate them. I tried installing some packages that seemed relative based on searches in Synaptic. But that didn't help. |
| 01:31.59 | WillPittenger | Any ideas? |
| 01:32.09 | somiaj | WillPittenger: why would you want an rpm on a debian install. Also why won't the open-jdk in debian work for you? |
| 01:33.03 | somiaj | just putting the static linked binaries in /usr/local and making links to /usr/local/bin works just fine for java (or use to from sun, I'd assume this is still the case) |
| 01:33.18 | WillPittenger | somiaj: As noted, Oracle doesn't provide APT or DEB. Second, I need to be compatible with someone who will only use official JDK releases. |
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| 01:33.57 | somiaj | then just put the static linked .tar.gz (I use to use /usr/local/java-version and then I would make links into /usr/local/bin -- you could also modify the $PATH |
| 01:33.57 | WillPittenger | So extract the tar.gz into /usr/local? |
| 01:34.01 | abrotman | !tell WillPittenger about javapackage |
| 01:34.12 | abrotman | !tell WillPittenger about java-package |
| 01:34.14 | abrotman | there we go |
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| 01:35.02 | rryoumaa | just out of curiosity, suppose you want to extract a tar there, and want to compile the program, but want read-only access to every part of your filesystem other than there. is this possible? |
| 01:36.00 | rryoumaa | chroot would require duplicating a lot of stuff. remounting would be annoying and overbroad. |
| 01:36.11 | somiaj | rryoumaa: you would likely be using multiple partitions since I'm assuming your setting the whole partition to read-only. And if you had such a setup you would probabaly already have some allow to write partiions set up (Such as var) |
| 01:36.30 | somiaj | but you could have a rw partition you could mount then umount as you needed |
| 01:36.31 | abrotman | or do it in a chroot? |
| 01:36.44 | rryoumaa | i was thinking a single partition, and make everything except one subtree be ro. that is what is really needed, but it is not really possible. |
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| 01:37.01 | rryoumaa | abrotman: you'd ahve to duplicate everything in there |
| 01:37.09 | rryoumaa | like your whole build stuff |
| 01:37.10 | somiaj | I think having /var read-only would mess with lots of services. |
| 01:37.12 | abrotman | or you can make your whole computer read-only |
| 01:37.27 | rryoumaa | somiaj: yeah |
| 01:37.43 | rryoumaa | ok, how about preventing the build from writing anywhere else? |
| 01:37.53 | rryoumaa | is there a load library wrapper you could use? |
| 01:37.55 | abrotman | oh, i have an idea! |
| 01:38.10 | emss | probably want something like selinux grsecurity or the like |
| 01:39.03 | rryoumaa | i guess i want a load library path library that says "don't allow writes in most places" |
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| 01:41.35 | somiaj | rryoumaa: allow writes to who, and isn't that what file permisions do? |
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| 01:42.19 | rryoumaa | well, suppose the makefile "helpfully" writes out to various places, does stuff in your home directory, etc. |
| 01:42.29 | rryoumaa | i'd want an error in that case |
| 01:42.47 | meder | back |
| 01:43.02 | abrotman | lies! |
| 01:43.53 | abrotman | meder: the browsers have places to set the proxy |
| 01:44.10 | meder | yes, i know this |
| 01:44.15 | meder | i'm used to it |
| 01:44.23 | meder | i entered it in |
| 01:44.25 | meder | it doesnt work |
| 01:44.37 | meder | mine is auth proxy |
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| 01:44.47 | meder | i entered in http://user:pass@blah.blah.com |
| 01:44.59 | meder | in network settings in Fx |
| 01:45.03 | meder | Manual proxy config |
| 01:45.07 | meder | like many times in the past that i have done |
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| 01:45.33 | abrotman | well, we're going to have to figure out what your wireless device is |
| 01:45.39 | meder | lol |
| 01:46.09 | meder | that's so weird |
| 01:46.18 | meder | i entered in the exact same proxy url as the one i specified in debian install |
| 01:46.20 | meder | debian install worked |
| 01:46.25 | meder | and it uses that proxy for aptitude |
| 01:46.28 | meder | but it doesnt for browser |
| 01:46.34 | meder | i tried to get browser to use system defaults.. |
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| 01:48.00 | meder | abrotman: isnt my device Intel |
| 01:48.03 | meder | 6000? |
| 01:48.20 | abrotman | that firmware should make it work .. |
| 01:48.22 | WillPittenger | abrotman: That doesn't provide anything useful. It mentions some packages that don't exist in Synaptic. "dpkg", "java-package", and "j2se" don't provide anything. |
| 01:48.41 | meder | i think i missed a step or something |
| 01:48.42 | meder | hmm |
| 01:48.47 | meder | this is a new laptop btw |
| 01:48.52 | meder | maybe its not in that package |
| 01:48.52 | abrotman | WillPittenger: you have to steal java-package from wheezy |
| 01:48.57 | meder | maybe the package i need is |
| 01:48.59 | meder | from sid |
| 01:49.00 | abrotman | meder: what is 'uname -r' ? |
| 01:49.11 | WillPittenger | abrotman: Wheezy? What is that? |
| 01:49.13 | meder | 2.6.32-5-686 |
| 01:49.20 | abrotman | WillPittenger: packages.debian.org/java-package |
| 01:49.26 | abrotman | !tell meder about squeeze->wheezy |
| 01:49.36 | abrotman | meder: unless you don't want gnome3 ? |
| 01:49.56 | meder | nah i dont want gnome3 |
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| 01:50.07 | abrotman | !tell meder about bpo |
| 01:50.11 | abrotman | time for backports! |
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| 01:53.27 | meder | so |
| 01:53.31 | meder | after updating just do |
| 01:53.38 | meder | apt-get -t squeeze-backports install iwl-wifi ? |
| 01:53.55 | meder | firmware-iwlwifi |
| 01:54.00 | abrotman | meder: you want the kernel and the firmware |
| 01:54.04 | meder | hm |
| 01:54.15 | meder | isnt the kernel a major thing |
| 01:54.19 | meder | wouldn't that make my debian incompatible or something |
| 01:54.22 | abrotman | meder: aptitude -t squeeze-backports install linux-image-686 firmware-iwlwifi |
| 01:54.25 | meder | ok |
| 01:54.29 | abrotman | no, the backports are made for squeeze |
| 01:55.09 | meder | why do you say squeeze, dont u mean any stable release? |
| 01:55.13 | meder | why squeeze specifically |
| 01:55.16 | meder | ok, its running |
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| 01:55.42 | abrotman | squeeze is currently the codename for the stable release of Debian |
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| 01:56.11 | meder | yes, but why is backports specifically for squeeze |
| 01:56.17 | meder | its for any stable release, like lenny.. |
| 01:56.19 | meder | no? |
| 01:56.37 | abrotman | no, it's not |
| 01:56.42 | meder | oh. |
| 01:56.45 | abrotman | those backports are made for squeeze |
| 01:56.50 | meder | ok, ok |
| 01:56.55 | meder | so it installed |
| 01:56.58 | meder | restart, i assume? |
| 01:57.15 | abrotman | sure |
| 01:57.19 | abrotman | say a prayer first1 |
| 01:57.21 | abrotman | ! |
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| 01:57.57 | Skilz | Is there any open source packages for wiping windows viruses with linux??? |
| 01:58.00 | Armand | lol |
| 01:58.13 | meder | abrotman: |
| 01:58.15 | abrotman | Skilz: clamav maybe .. ask ##windows |
| 01:58.22 | meder | so was my kernel outdated? |
| 01:58.27 | meder | or .. |
| 01:58.32 | meder | amijust stealing the newest one |
| 01:58.40 | abrotman | meder: not really, but remember that kernel was created 2 years ago or so .. your laptop is six months old |
| 01:58.55 | meder | ok |
| 01:58.58 | meder | gotcha |
| 01:59.01 | meder | well |
| 01:59.20 | meder | i restarted and now after the initial load screen |
| 01:59.21 | abrotman | it grew wings and flew away ? |
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| 01:59.29 | meder | its stuck on ablack screen with underscore at 0,0 |
| 01:59.31 | meder | and nothing else |
| 01:59.35 | meder | been like 40 seconds |
| 01:59.43 | meder | lol. |
| 01:59.44 | abrotman | give it a moment |
| 02:00.22 | abrotman | this would be easier if you'd just use gnome3 :) |
| 02:00.41 | meder | it's still at the screen |
| 02:00.43 | meder | well |
| 02:00.47 | Armand | KDE!! *hides* |
| 02:00.53 | meder | if i get that, i can switch to classic look, abrotman |
| 02:00.56 | abrotman | Armand: seems he's using the default, that's why i said it |
| 02:01.02 | Armand | :) |
| 02:01.05 | meder | no? |
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| 02:01.15 | meder | its still at the blackscreen..mmm |
| 02:01.19 | meder | i think the kernel updatekilled something |
| 02:01.24 | abrotman | meder: you could, but it's generally better to just use gnome3 or pick a different WM/DE |
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| 02:02.13 | meder | . |
| 02:02.15 | meder | hm |
| 02:02.23 | meder | whatshouldidonow? restart? |
| 02:02.27 | abrotman | sure |
| 02:02.32 | abrotman | what's your video card? |
| 02:02.37 | meder | nvidiasomething |
| 02:02.43 | meder | spacebarbrokeoncurrentlaptop |
| 02:02.45 | meder | great) |
| 02:03.00 | abrotman | ugh .. how did you install your video drivers before? |
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| 02:03.12 | meder | idontknow |
| 02:03.19 | meder | thisisafreshlaptop |
| 02:03.28 | meder | icantrememberhowididitbefore,onthislaptop |
| 02:03.50 | Armand | tinkers with meder's space bar.. |
| 02:03.53 | abrotman | try to boot the old kernel |
| 02:03.58 | meder | trying |
| 02:04.22 | meder | ok |
| 02:04.24 | well_laid_lawn | use a dot instead of a space |
| 02:04.26 | meder | old worksasusual |
| 02:04.30 | meder | now.what.do.i.do |
| 02:04.32 | meder | haha. |
| 02:05.02 | abrotman | lspci -nn | grep VGA .. what's your video card? |
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| 02:05.34 | meder | just.says.nVidia.Corporation.Device |
| 02:05.39 | Armand | O_o |
| 02:05.55 | meder | it.should.be.Nvidia.Optimus |
| 02:05.58 | abrotman | says more than that, including the PCIID |
| 02:06.03 | abrotman | oh jesus .. |
| 02:06.06 | abrotman | !stab nvidia |
| 02:06.06 | dpkg | runs at nvidia with an origami Swiss Army knife, and inflicts a nasty paper cut. |
| 02:06.43 | meder | heh |
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| 02:07.02 | abrotman | meder: i'd honestly just install wheezy from scratch if you can |
| 02:07.23 | meder | wheezy=7? |
| 02:07.31 | abrotman | i know very little about nVidia thank goodness |
| 02:07.38 | abrotman | meder: yes, wheezy will be 7.x |
| 02:07.41 | meder | ok |
| 02:07.55 | abrotman | meder: what's your CPU ? |
| 02:08.22 | abrotman | did you want 32bit or 64bit ? |
| 02:08.41 | meder | i5 |
| 02:08.46 | meder | doesnt.matter.to.me |
| 02:08.58 | meder | which.would.you.get |
| 02:09.11 | KsM | 64bit |
| 02:09.15 | meder | ok |
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| 02:09.19 | abrotman | depends what other things you want .. flash/skype/etc .. they may not work as well on 64bit |
| 02:09.44 | abrotman | meder: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/wheezy_di_rc1/multi-arch/iso-cd/debian-wheezy-DI-rc1-amd64-i386-netinst.iso .. you can pikc when you install |
| 02:09.45 | meder | abrotman: letsdo32bit.is.there.a.way.i.can.install.wheezy.without.burning.it.on.a.cd? |
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| 02:09.48 | KsM | flash has always worked fine for me onwheezy |
| 02:09.54 | KsM | 32 or 64bit |
| 02:10.00 | abrotman | meder: sure, you just get a USB drive and do it that way |
| 02:10.00 | well_laid_lawn | never seen any extra work necessary to have a 64bit app work on a 32bit os yet |
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| 02:10.11 | well_laid_lawn | so I use 32bit |
| 02:10.11 | meder | abrotman: inbefore.usb.problems |
| 02:10.14 | abrotman | well_laid_lawn: other way around you mean ? |
| 02:10.22 | well_laid_lawn | nope |
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| 02:10.29 | abrotman | mkay |
| 02:10.34 | abrotman | meder: huh? you can't boot from USB? |
| 02:10.39 | well_laid_lawn | is there any 64bit only apps yet? |
| 02:10.46 | abrotman | meder: you can do the squeeze->wheezy dance if you prefer |
| 02:10.46 | meder | well.i.left.my.usb.at.home.time.to.go.home |
| 02:10.53 | meder | ok.lets.try.that? |
| 02:11.05 | meder | im.in.sources.list |
| 02:11.14 | abrotman | dpkg: tell meder about squeeze->wheezy |
| 02:11.30 | abrotman | would rather do this from scratch though |
| 02:11.51 | pheezer | hey meder im not sure if this is related, but could you get the output of this command: |
| 02:11.53 | pheezer | cat /etc/X11/xorg.conf |grep XkbVariant |
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| 02:12.57 | pheezer | or just: |
| 02:12.59 | pheezer | grep XkbVariant /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
| 02:13.01 | pheezer | lol |
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| 02:14.00 | Skilz | 13:13 Stryyker: Skilz: Yes. I'm not sure your question is a Windows question as you want a Linux tool. Maybe try your distro channel. |
| 02:14.04 | meder | im.upgrading.to.wheezy.now |
| 02:14.10 | meder | heh. |
| 02:14.50 | Devastator | meder if you don't mind asking, why are you using dots instead of space? |
| 02:14.58 | abrotman | don't sak! |
| 02:14.59 | abrotman | ask! |
| 02:15.05 | Devastator | nevermind |
| 02:15.06 | pheezer | his space bar doesnt work haha |
| 02:15.07 | abrotman | Skilz: i gave you an answer, good luck |
| 02:15.22 | meder | thats.why.i.got.the.new.laptop |
| 02:15.28 | meder | left.shift.key.is.broken |
| 02:15.36 | meder | main.screen.broke |
| 02:15.43 | meder | relying.on.secondary.monitor.for.screen |
| 02:15.51 | meder | need.more.info? |
| 02:15.57 | Devastator | nop, sorry |
| 02:16.41 | pheezer | oh so the space bar thingy is purely old/damaged hardware? |
| 02:17.06 | ChibaPet | meder: Can you ssh into the thing? USB keyboard? I missed the beginning of this. |
| 02:17.07 | Armand | Haha |
| 02:17.17 | abrotman | ChibaPet: you don't want to know :) |
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| 02:17.25 | abrotman | so many obstacles! |
| 02:17.42 | ChibaPet | abrotman: So, update - my wife's been using Gnome 3 based on your recommendation for a solid month or more now, and we both really like it. |
| 02:17.58 | abrotman | ChibaPet: see, i'm not crazy :) |
| 02:18.29 | ChibaPet | She's coming from Mac OS, and really there's the same level of polish. I was kind of surprised and impressed. |
| 02:19.09 | ChibaPet | Her only real complaint is that Shotwell doesn't have as flexible a management of photos as iPhoto, but there's probably still some learning curve there yet. |
| 02:19.16 | Armand | You are crazy, abrotman... but, we'll let you off. :P |
| 02:19.48 | abrotman | ChibaPet: there are other photo managers, I believe shotwell is fairly young, but I use directories to manage mine. There used to be f-spot, but not sure where that went |
| 02:20.00 | abrotman | (fspot is also mono/.NET) |
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| 02:20.57 | ChibaPet | Ah. I mostly want to avoid Mono. She'll probably stick with Shotwell. If there are any really sorely missed features, maybe we can request them or (shudder) maybe I can use that as an excuse to start contributing to a project again. |
| 02:21.01 | Armand | What's the command to check my distro release ? |
| 02:21.05 | ChibaPet | cat /etc/issue |
| 02:21.09 | abrotman | Armand: lsb_release -a |
| 02:21.24 | abrotman | yeah, looks like f-spot is still there, but yes, is Mono |
| 02:21.25 | ChibaPet | Oh, that one's new to me. Interesting. |
| 02:21.31 | Armand | Ta. :) |
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| 02:22.45 | Armand | I completely missed that there was a point release... |
| 02:22.54 | ChibaPet | Very recent. |
| 02:23.06 | abrotman | 3-4 days ago |
| 02:23.15 | ChibaPet | brb, rebooting |
| 02:23.21 | Armand | Yup.. glad I update quite frequently.. just need to check my system at work. |
| 02:23.31 | Armand | I should set an alias for that |
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| 02:24.36 | Armand | alias upgrade='sudo apt-get clean && sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade' <3 |
| 02:26.26 | Armand | Sucks that I can't ssh my work PC. |
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| 02:33.26 | ScottG | Why do people still use apt-get |
| 02:33.51 | Armand | Why not ? |
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| 02:33.56 | Armand | It works. |
| 02:34.07 | ScottG | Well so does aptitude |
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| 02:34.22 | Armand | Yup. |
| 02:34.28 | Armand | But, what's your point? |
| 02:34.50 | ScottG | What's YOUR point?! |
| 02:35.04 | ScottG | http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-faq/ch-pkgtools.en.html |
| 02:35.14 | ScottG | "Note that aptitude is the preferred program for daily package management from console." |
| 02:35.26 | Armand | And? |
| 02:35.27 | ScottG | Checkmate! |
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| 02:35.37 | ScottG | King me! |
| 02:35.38 | Armand | I don't see any validity in your assertion.. Sorry. |
| 02:35.52 | ScottG | assert me == true |
| 02:35.56 | Armand | ! |
| 02:35.58 | emss | mumbles `apt-get moo' |
| 02:36.02 | ScottG | Ha! |
| 02:36.03 | Armand | Mooooooooo |
| 02:36.17 | ScottG | emss: Ever use the sl package? |
| 02:36.28 | ScottG | Or bb. |
| 02:36.28 | emss | yes :) |
| 02:36.31 | Armand | apt-get requires less key presses. :P |
| 02:36.32 | ScottG | Those are my favs |
| 02:36.42 | ScottG | Armand: Not if you aliased aptitude to 'a'! |
| 02:36.42 | emss | sl is the train? |
| 02:36.55 | ScottG | emss: Haha yes. I had it set up on my last system. |
| 02:37.03 | emss | :) |
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| 02:37.11 | Armand | ScottG, nah.. you're ok. :P |
| 02:37.14 | ScottG | bb is really neat though if you haven't seen it. |
| 02:37.30 | emss | if you like bb there are demos that comes with libcaca |
| 02:37.39 | emss | and those are in color! |
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| 02:37.44 | ScottG | never heard of libcaca |
| 02:37.53 | ScottG | Just libaa or whatever it was called. |
| 02:38.56 | emss | you can do `mplayer -vo caca ...' |
| 02:39.47 | emss | same with aa `mplayer -vo aa ...' and there are many others |
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| 02:40.56 | emss | well maybe not "many others" when you are thinking something similar to aa or caca i think the only other one is matrixview |
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| 02:44.26 | ScottG | emss: Haha cacaview is neat |
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| 02:45.43 | emss | know about figlet? |
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| 02:48.21 | kingsley | Is there a package or script that examines stack traces and memory maps of aborted programs, finds which packages the executables belong to, and finally reports those that are upgradable? |
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| 02:57.58 | ScottG | emss: holy shit with mplayer |
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| 03:11.18 | meder | abrotman: |
| 03:11.22 | meder | wheezy did it |
| 03:11.31 | meder | thank.you.for.all.your.help!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 03:11.37 | abrotman | meder: glad it worked, enjoy |
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| 03:13.08 | ScottG | emss: lmao this even works in a framebuffer |
| 03:13.24 | ScottG | emss: It's really flickery, though. Any idea how to fix that? |
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| 03:15.02 | ScottG | fixed! needed -quiet |
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| 03:21.30 | meder | ok, minor question |
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| 03:21.41 | meder | afteri updated apt sources it says md5 mismatch |
| 03:21.52 | meder | from squeezetowheezy i mean, after restart, etc etc |
| 03:21.59 | meder | is thereacommand to wipeout all cached data |
| 03:22.23 | abrotman | paste.debian.net |
| 03:22.28 | abrotman | oh .. apt-get clean |
| 03:22.45 | adh0c | Anyone advise on how to change the default keybinding for screen from ctrl-A ? |
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| 03:23.01 | emss | adh0c: `man screen' |
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| 03:23.53 | emss | adh0c: i believe you call that the "escape key" |
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| 03:24.56 | adh0c | I parsed man screen to no avail. |
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| 03:25.10 | adh0c | I'm trying to run a remote instance of screen within a local instance. |
| 03:25.27 | adh0c | Perhaps I suck with regexes, but I can't figure out the relevant line of .screenrc to ammend. |
| 03:26.44 | ectospasm | adh0c: you probably just need a different command character in both screen sessions... -e <key> |
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| 03:27.18 | fresh | hey folks |
| 03:27.33 | abrotman | hides |
| 03:28.49 | fresh | is it possible to create 2 rssh users one with sftp access and one without? |
| 03:29.11 | ectospasm | fresh: yes |
| 03:29.12 | fresh | I look at config there is option to enable sftp for all rssh users |
| 03:29.21 | ectospasm | you can limit it to just one user or group |
| 03:29.32 | fresh | how would I do that? |
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| 03:29.47 | fresh | do I simply re read manual? |
| 03:29.58 | ectospasm | fresh: http://www.howtoforge.com/restricting-users-to-sftp-plus-setting-up-chrooted-ssh-sftp-debian-squeeze << google is your friend. |
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| 03:30.17 | ectospasm | you might need to adapt that to not worrying about the chroot. |
| 03:31.36 | fresh | ectospasm: I read it before |
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| 03:31.41 | fresh | going to read man pages |
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| 03:32.07 | emss | adh0c: 4th paragraph in the manpage |
| 03:32.37 | emss | Screen does not understand ... |
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| 03:53.56 | meder | so, |
| 03:54.07 | meder | btw thx abrotman for theapt cache thing |
| 03:54.25 | meder | next problem i encounter.. while im ssh'd in, my computer kinda froze |
| 03:54.31 | meder | i can go to diff ttys |
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| 03:54.41 | meder | but i cantdo anything on the main gui tty |
| 03:55.02 | ectospasm | meder: "Enter ~." in the ssh session |
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| 03:55.47 | meder | no, not the ssh session |
| 03:55.51 | meder | the entire window/screen is 'frozen' |
| 03:55.55 | meder | icannot clickon anything |
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| 03:56.06 | meder | cant minimize thewindow, cant log out,nothing |
| 03:56.52 | meder | nothing is responsive |
| 03:57.03 | meder | only action i can do is move mouse or change ttys |
| 03:57.06 | meder | clicking does nothing |
| 03:57.09 | meder | *anywhere* |
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| 04:18.27 | tgunr | I'm trying to install ruby on debian for the first time, running into trouble finding and installing 'bundle', I tried `gem install bundler' but still no bundle e.g. i can't run `bundle install --without test development'. On ubuntu I can do `apt-get install ruby-bundler' which will install it, but I don't see that on debian. How do I get bundle installed? |
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| 04:22.59 | iamhungry | could somebody please help me with this error: (gksu:4401): GLib-CRITICAL **: g_str_has_prefix: assertion `str != NULL' failed |
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| 04:35.31 | sencha | Aptitude doesn't seem to remove automatically installed deps (like it should?)... e.g. I installed chromium, and it installed chromium-inspector as a result... however, aptitude remove chromium only suggested to remove chromium, and not the -inspector |
| 04:35.44 | sencha | any reason why? |
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| 04:43.08 | crippledmonk | thinking about wiping one of my box's with crunchbang and going straight Debian. (net install). Any suggestions? |
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| 04:58.24 | kenifanying | hi all, i try to run "sudo aptitude update" and get this error "W: GPG error: http://download.virtualbox.org squeeze Release: The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG 54422A4B98AB5139 Oracle Corporation (VirtualBox archive signing key) <info@virtualbox.org>",what's the problem? |
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| 04:58.46 | mintux | how can I download several directory using lftp? I use mirror -c <dir> to download 1 directory but if I want to download several directory what command should I use? for example mirror -c <dir1> <dir2> ... means after finish <dir1> start <dir2> and go on |
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| 05:00.58 | ectospasm | mintux: I use mc as my FTP client... I can select several directories and then transfer them that way |
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| 05:02.30 | mintux | ectospasm: im installing |
| 05:03.02 | dondelelcaro | mintux: see the queue command in lftp |
| 05:04.41 | mintux | dondelelcaro: I can use ; |
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| 05:05.15 | mintux | mirror -c <dir1>; mirror -c <dir2> |
| 05:05.19 | mintux | it worked |
| 05:05.33 | dondelelcaro | mintux: that will also work; the advantage of queue is that you can do other things while the mirror is running |
| 05:05.43 | mintux | hmm |
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| 05:50.46 | meder | hi |
| 05:51.15 | meder | i installed fonts-mstt-core whatever, but my fonts in chromium are ugly, and overall ugly |
| 05:51.18 | meder | any tips? |
| 05:51.24 | meder | would appreciate anti-aliased text |
| 05:53.47 | denstark | What is the proper way to restart the network after changing an interface's settings in /etc/network/interfaces? /etc/init.d/networking tells me it's deprecated, and also doesn't work |
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| 05:54.25 | denstark | 'the network' being a single interface, e. g. eth0 |
| 05:54.50 | meder | service network restart |
| 05:54.51 | meder | i think |
| 05:54.53 | meder | as sudo |
| 05:57.29 | denstark | there is no network service. Only networking, which is the same as running the init script |
| 05:58.57 | dizzylizzy | Was there a reason for Debian going with LibreOffice over Apache OpenOffice? |
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| 06:00.03 | meder | cuz libre is better? |
| 06:00.12 | meder | and makes it seem more like MS OFfice |
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| 06:00.16 | meder | which is superior and better ui-wise |
| 06:00.18 | meder | than both |
| 06:00.35 | meder | anyone know how i can debug my computer freezing? |
| 06:00.40 | meder | it randomly freezes |
| 06:00.42 | meder | i can move the mouse |
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| 06:00.48 | meder | but everything else = frozen |
| 06:00.52 | meder | hatake: kakashi |
| 06:02.08 | hatake | meder, :D |
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| 06:08.44 | dizzylizzy | I've never used the microsoft office user interface, is it really that amazing? |
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| 06:09.38 | meder | dizzylizzy: from a UI point of view, absolutely. |
| 06:09.44 | meder | imo. |
| 06:09.52 | meder | strictly from ui/ease of use |
| 06:09.56 | meder | just like i prefer photoshop to gimp |
| 06:10.02 | meder | gimp = god i miss photoshop |
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| 06:18.30 | dizzylizzy | you sure it isn't just familiarity? |
| 06:18.34 | dizzylizzy | this isn't really on-topic for this channel |
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| 06:19.03 | meder | what do you mean |
| 06:19.09 | meder | ? |
| 06:19.24 | meder | everyone and their mom does use MS Office and is familiar with it, yes |
| 06:19.39 | meder | but i think its more intuitive ui-wise |
| 06:19.44 | meder | than libre, etc |
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| 06:26.50 | abrotman | holy jeez, he's still awake? |
| 06:28.05 | tgunr | help, I'm stuck, following the instructions at https://www.chiliproject.org/projects/chiliproject/wiki/Installation and got to step 6. When executing `bundle exec rake generate_session_store' |
| 06:28.19 | tgunr | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:28.36 | meder | abrotman: i? |
| 06:28.37 | meder | lol |
| 06:30.06 | abrotman | meder: yeah you |
| 06:32.19 | meder | heh |
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| 06:33.50 | meder | i think the freezes from my comp are coming from |
| 06:33.55 | meder | non-compatible video drivers |
| 06:33.58 | meder | dmesg gives me |
| 06:34.12 | meder | [ 2145.369269] [drm] nouveau 0000:01:00.0: unknown i2c port 48 |
| 06:34.15 | meder | every min or so |
| 06:34.21 | meder | trying out the nvidia drivers now.. |
| 06:34.24 | meder | instead of noveau |
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| 06:39.01 | grothendieck | thanks for keeping us updated |
| 06:39.51 | tgunr | does libxml2 replace livxml? |
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| 07:01.42 | abrotman | meder: those optimus things are a pain in the neck |
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| 07:06.40 | dimer | abrotman, >so ive tried with original config, its still the same, headers are incomplete, so i guess make-kpkg is actually unable to do that correctly? |
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| 07:14.26 | dgriffi | could someone give me some insight as to why printouts done with the Mate print daemon would make sharp vertical and horizontal edged fuzzy? |
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| 07:31.31 | abrotman | dimer: i've never had the problem you're having with make-kpkg |
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| 07:32.46 | ronny | hi |
| 07:33.26 | ronny | how should i go about debugging a usb mouse not always working (sometimes it works in all x sessions, sometimes only some, sometimes none) |
| 07:33.43 | grothendieck | ronny: check dmesg |
| 07:34.01 | grothendieck | and X11 log |
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| 07:37.17 | ronny | grothendieck, dmesg jsut says new device, looking at X11 log now |
| 07:37.21 | dimer | abrotman, ive been building kernels for years with it... different hosts, versions, configs. headers were always incomplete, could never build anything without original source |
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| 07:38.13 | ronny | grothendieck, i cant find anything about the other mouse in the logs |
| 07:39.06 | ronny | hmm |
| 07:39.07 | ronny | ho |
| 07:39.09 | ronny | o |
| 07:39.10 | ronny | h |
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| 07:39.32 | ronny | seems like the usb port wont notice plug/unplug of the mouse at all |
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| 07:40.24 | tgunr | I got a little further with `gem install nokogiri -- --with-xml2-dir /usr/include/libxml2' but now failing with extconf.rb |
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| 07:54.21 | Feigrim | Hello, I am wondering if it is possible to add more font choices to console-setup? |
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| 07:54.32 | Feigrim | Is it possible to use a font that I have installed myself? |
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| 08:06.58 | n00bmin | why debian going back to gnome 3? |
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| 08:12.53 | jelly-home | n00bmin: it's just a default. You're allowed to use whatever DE you want if it's packaged. |
| 08:13.32 | rwp | n00bmin, "going back to"? The default has been GNOME 2. |
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| 08:14.41 | n00bmin | rwp, Debian 7 will use gnome 3.4 . |
| 08:16.30 | n00bmin | jelly-home, Just curious that there must be some plus point to use gnome as default since gnome 3.x is not so good as gnome 2.x (just curious) |
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| 08:18.03 | rwp | n00bmin, I actually thought that they couldn't get GNOME 3 to fit on the CD#1 and so were going to use XFCE instead. No? |
| 08:19.10 | n00bmin | rwp, I also heard this ... but not sure if there is any other issue |
| 08:19.18 | n00bmin | Now will it fit? |
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| 08:20.39 | jelly-home | rwp: that change was reverted back in October last year. http://anonscm.debian.org/gitweb/?p=tasksel/tasksel.git;a=commitdiff;h=56f8dffd7e7d0cd013a1251e1f12a4a1124262d7;hp=647899dc4d24f0a7b285df63bcf61279bd8eba68 |
| 08:22.14 | rwp | jelly-home, Thanks for clearing that up. I guess they squeezed things in after all. |
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| 08:33.57 | unkn-error | I wish to install apache(no mysql, php for now), and I've read here http://wiki.debian.org/LaMp that the command is "apt-get install apache2" |
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| 08:34.08 | unkn-error | why is called apache2 and not "apache" ? |
| 08:34.25 | jameshyde | What's difference between "PCIe x16 connector with x8 bandwith" and "PCIe x16 connector with x16 bandwidth"? |
| 08:34.36 | HardDisk_WP | jameshyde, thats easy |
| 08:34.41 | mmc | what tool to use to see which of my "apt-pinned" packages are not at the highest version? |
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| 08:34.53 | HardDisk_WP | the first connector allows the card to use only half the possible bandwidth |
| 08:35.03 | HardDisk_WP | but allows a high-bandwidth card to be put in |
| 08:35.11 | HardDisk_WP | the second connector allows the full bandwidth |
| 08:35.54 | jameshyde | so the first one is really not a good option for high speed card |
| 08:35.57 | HardDisk_WP | unkn-error, historic reason |
| 08:36.01 | HardDisk_WP | jameshyde, yes |
| 08:36.14 | unkn-error | oky |
| 08:36.17 | unkn-error | :) |
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| 08:36.40 | HardDisk_WP | unkn-error, if you search for packages, best is to use apt-get search before install |
| 08:37.29 | unkn-error | aptitude search example yep! :) |
| 08:37.39 | unkn-error | how do I enable or disable services? |
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| 08:37.47 | unkn-error | is there something like systemctl? |
| 08:38.08 | jameshyde | HardDisk_WP: x8 is also called "link bandwidth", correct? |
| 08:38.10 | HardDisk_WP | update-rc.d script |
| 08:38.25 | unkn-error | so man update-rc.d |
| 08:38.27 | jameshyde | "slot bandwidth" is still x16 |
| 08:38.31 | unkn-error | k thx |
| 08:38.38 | unkn-error | is reading |
| 08:39.01 | HardDisk_WP | jameshyde, I think so. Better you read http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PCI_Express#PCI_Express_.28standard.29 |
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| 08:41.05 | jameshyde | ok |
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| 08:48.59 | Wicked | is there anyone here that would be willing to help me with some simple linux commands |
| 08:49.08 | Wicked | PLEASE!!!! |
| 08:49.28 | bw_ | Wicked: don't ask to ask |
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| 08:50.02 | Wicked | Im kinda new to linux and my buddy came over and changed my distro from Backtrack5 to debian but he was not able to install aircrack for me |
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| 08:50.32 | Wicked | i have the tar files i Have them extracted but I just need some simple help if you would be willing to help me |
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| 08:51.26 | bw_ | Wicked: there is a debian package of aircrack-ng |
| 08:51.35 | Wicked | yes I have that |
| 08:51.49 | Wicked | bw can we talk in private chat I still need to boot up the laptop if you are willing to help me |
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| 08:52.11 | bw_ | please stick to the channel, it might help others |
| 08:52.11 | Wicked | like I said its so simple im ready to kick my self for not being able to do it |
| 08:52.43 | Wicked | just trying to get from my Root directory to my desktop to my downloads folder and then to my aircrck folder then run then run the make command thats it |
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| 08:54.08 | bw_ | Wicked: whats wrong with debians packages? |
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| 08:54.41 | Wicked | i dont know honestly I have both the debian and the tar files |
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| 08:55.32 | bw_ | Wicked: then first try to work with the debian package, thats must more painless then building aircrack yourself |
| 08:55.48 | bw_ | "apt-get install aircrack-ng" should do |
| 08:55.49 | Wicked | please help |
| 08:56.01 | Wicked | im in root@debian:/home/wicked |
| 08:57.10 | Wicked | unable to locate package aircrack_ng |
| 08:57.35 | bw_ | - (dash) not _ (undersorce) |
| 08:57.36 | frikinz | aptitude search aircrack ... |
| 08:57.54 | bw_ | score* |
| 08:58.16 | Wicked | aircrack is not avilable btu is referred to by another package |
| 08:58.42 | Wicked | aircrack-ng has no installation candidate |
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| 08:59.20 | bw_ | Wicked: are you on debian stable(squeeze)? |
| 08:59.28 | Wicked | let me see what im on |
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| 09:00.02 | Wicked | this says in the about section Debian version 2.30.2 |
| 09:00.11 | Wicked | Gnome |
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| 09:02.20 | Wicked | ok I made it to the folder |
| 09:02.35 | Wicked | now im looking at the change.log common.mak make file man pages etch |
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| 09:02.37 | Wicked | etc |
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| 09:03.01 | bw_ | Wicked, well actualy aircrack is only available in debian sid(unstable) so you might be better of with BT .. afair the wireless drivers need patches for monitor mode too |
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| 09:03.09 | kollex | hello... I have installed LAMP Debian server in local network (from netinstall cd v. 6.0.6). After studying of docs and configuration of some files, everything works fine, I can access via SSH, FTP there. The only problem is, that I can´t see any images on the website. Error.log shows this message: [(13)Permission denied: file permissions deny server access: ]. I have searched for help, but I didn´t any relevant. Can you help me, please? Thanx. |
| 09:03.42 | Wicked | i read that last night |
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| 09:04.02 | BackEndCoder | look in #httpd |
| 09:04.08 | BackEndCoder | the error is in your apache config |
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| 09:04.11 | bw_ | kollex: what www-data have the right to read the images? (and to change into the right directory?) |
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| 09:05.20 | takis_GR | how can mount this device??? Bus 001 Device 014: ID 13fe:1d00 Kingston Technology Company Inc. DataTraveler 2.0 1GB/4GB |
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| 09:06.42 | bw_ | takis_GR: check "dmesg | tail" for the assigned blockdevice like /dev/sdX |
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| 09:08.03 | kollex | bw_: It is owned by ftp user (owner of directory). |
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| 09:08.47 | kollex | drwxr-xr-x 2 sheller www-data 4096 Feb 21 10:03 . |
| 09:08.47 | kollex | drwxr-xr-x 3 sheller sheller 4096 Feb 20 14:00 .. |
| 09:08.47 | kollex | -rw-r--r-- 1 sheller sheller 75 Feb 21 10:04 index.html |
| 09:08.47 | kollex | -rw------- 1 sheller sheller 308520 Feb 21 09:57 picture.jpg |
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| 09:15.30 | BackEndCoder | kollex, |
| 09:15.31 | BackEndCoder | -rw------- 1 sheller sheller 308520 Feb 21 09:57 picture.jpg |
| 09:15.34 | BackEndCoder | thats your problem |
| 09:15.51 | BackEndCoder | apache doesn't have permission to read the file |
| 09:16.05 | BackEndCoder | look up file permission attritubes and the use of chmod |
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| 09:16.38 | kollex | BackEndCoder: Thank you, I am working of it... thanx very much.... |
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| 09:18.36 | Wicked | Stuck at downloading IEEE OUI file |
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| 09:19.17 | Wicked | i just ran airdump-ng-oui-update |
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| 09:20.31 | frikinz | kollex: they should be owned by root and be rw-r--r-- |
| 09:20.35 | Wicked | the website says use the subversion file I have no idea what that is |
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| 09:22.03 | n00bmin | anyone using Debian live cd/dvd for installing purpose? |
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| 09:22.41 | babilen_ | n00bmin: Some people do, with varying degrees of success -- IIRC there isn't a ready to download image for wheezy too. |
| 09:22.56 | babilen_ | n00bmin: In general: it is recommended to simply use the standard installer |
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| 09:30.38 | n00bmin | babilen_, I want to install my necessary software using apt then make my own ISO so that i don't need net connection to reinstall those software after a fresh installation(No cheat, No hack). Just for own purpose. Any recommended document please? |
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| 09:32.56 | kollex | frikinz: Thank you. It works already. The problem was with ownership of public_html directory. It was owned by www-data -> and it was bad. |
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| 09:33.39 | kollex | BackEndCoder: Thank you for your tip, too. |
| 09:33.46 | dgriffi | does anyone here use Mate and have noticed printouts being fuzzy? |
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| 09:35.05 | n00bmin | Like mounting,choorting and installing necessary tools/software then regenerate the iso using genisoimage |
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| 09:43.26 | n00bmin | This is what i need ? http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Modify/CD#Create_new__Release_and_Packages_files ? |
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| 09:50.44 | ksk | hey. |
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| 09:51.00 | LordShiva | Does someone of you use BFS as process scheduler on your Debian ? I have just patched my kernel with bfs :) |
| 09:51.15 | LordShiva | I'm just curious about your experiences :) |
| 09:51.25 | ksk | i boot my kernel with root=/dev/nfs and ip=dhcp - it does fail and drops me to busybox but the real problem is i dont even see the kernel is trying to dhcp or something |
| 09:51.40 | ksk | is there some appendline to get more output? already tried "verbose" |
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| 09:52.20 | LordShiva | Is it built with debug ? |
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| 09:53.58 | ksk | grepping for -i "debug" in config does not help, which debug option is it? |
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| 09:54.41 | ksk | CONFIG_DEBUG_KERNEL=y |
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| 09:56.06 | ksk | no difference if i boot using "debug" mhm. |
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| 10:01.44 | jelly | LordShiva: why not use the whole -ck patchset, while you're at it |
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| 10:03.43 | LordShiva | Well I have actually used one custom build with ck patches and other where I just reconfigured and rebuild liquorix zen kernel with bfs instead of cfs. |
| 10:04.00 | LordShiva | jelly, for me for now bfq and bfs work great |
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| 10:08.59 | HardDisk_WP | how do I get with rsync a list of only those files that actually have changed based on their contents? |
| 10:09.13 | HardDisk_WP | I cant rely on atime/mtime/ctime, they've been messed up |
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| 10:09.25 | HardDisk_WP | also I need a list of new and deleted files |
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| 10:12.01 | Nik05 | man rsync? |
| 10:13.04 | HardDisk_WP | i know that^^ |
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| 10:14.08 | LordShiva | I was also including profiling and some other options because I want to profile it for some jobs |
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| 10:15.12 | HardDisk_WP | Nik05, but rsync -acin still shows me files that are same in both dirs |
| 10:15.46 | HardDisk_WP | they only have different mtime |
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| 10:31.44 | marksaitis | http://pastebin.com/EM84g5s1 thats what I have in ld.so.conf but my ldconfig -v still does not show any pam_winbind.so libraries whasoever, please help? |
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| 10:35.58 | LinaSovereign | Hey ! |
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| 10:37.13 | XATRIX | Hi guys, where can i find a repo for "numad" package ? |
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| 10:37.57 | gusnan | marksaitis, What are the files you have in /etc/ld.so.conf.d/ called? If they don't have .conf extension, this might be it. |
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| 10:38.39 | marksaitis | gusnan, thanx, they do have this ext :) |
| 10:38.59 | marksaitis | I am wondering how ldconfig determines which libraries to pick up, I do not understand this concept completelly |
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| 10:45.51 | dexta | g'day |
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| 10:56.00 | gnude | hello debian developer |
| 10:56.14 | gnude | i have a question: is there any idea when whezzy will release? |
| 10:58.58 | ChrisH | gnude: yes, when its done. |
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| 11:00.06 | n00bmin | Next question:) when it will be done ? |
| 11:00.36 | babilen | when it's ready |
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| 11:00.49 | babilen | dpkg: wwwr |
| 11:00.49 | dpkg | I don't know when Wheezy will release, but I can say that it will be sooner if you help. Ask me about <wheezy pool> for contributed release date guesses. Wheezy was frozen on June 30th, 2012 -- ask me about <freeze>. If you'd like wheezy to release sooner rather than later, perhaps you could help squash some <rc bugs>! |
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| 11:02.59 | gnude | i know. i only want to know it it be march or later. |
| 11:03.12 | n00bmin | :) |
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| 11:04.21 | n00bmin | no specific date/time! |
| 11:04.50 | gnude | ok |
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| 11:05.15 | gnude | i will read at identi.ca/debian |
| 11:06.02 | babilen | gnude: I reckon in about two months, but /we cannot tell you/ -- We answered your question multiple times already and there is, as of now, no definite release date. You can draw your own conclusions, but I wouldn't schedule anything based on that. |
| 11:06.10 | XATRIX | Is there any .deb for http://git.fedorahosted.org/cgit/numad.git/ ? |
| 11:06.21 | XATRIX | Didn't find any |
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| 11:07.40 | gnude | babilen: ok. about 2 month. i am very interested at the new debian because i administrating some servers and i am very interesting in setting up a new one with debian 7 |
| 11:08.07 | babilen | gnude: You can already use wheezy if you want to (see "/msg dpkg install wheezy" and referenced factoids) |
| 11:08.33 | gnude | i prefer stable versions because the server are in productiv enviroment |
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| 11:11.36 | babilen | gnude: Sure, that is perfectly fine and a very reasonable policy. You just have to be patient in that case :) |
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| 11:14.37 | gnude | thanks for the information. wish you a nice day, whatever you do.... |
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| 11:21.54 | man_in_shack | waves |
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| 11:22.16 | man_in_shack | how would you install an i386 deb file on amd64? |
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| 11:22.25 | man_in_shack | i know apt has multiarch, but can it be done with dpkg? |
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| 11:23.08 | Jarris | i have an debain squeeze server, and wanted to upgrade apt-cacher-ng to wheezy packages, after this i can not login anymore. "Permission denied" it says, with any user. more infos: http://paste.debian.net/238559/. thx in advance for any hints |
| 11:23.12 | n00bmin | dpkg -i pkg.deb ; apt-get -f install ? |
| 11:23.13 | dpkg | removes a speen from n00bmin and replaces it with pkg.deb ; apt-get -f install |
| 11:23.40 | ChrisH | man_in_shack: From the top of my head: enable multiarch, run dpkg -i $DEB and afterwards run apt-get install -f (-f like fullfill dependecies) |
| 11:23.52 | man_in_shack | define "enable multiarch"? |
| 11:24.24 | ChrisH | !multiarch |
| 11:24.24 | dpkg | Debian is working towards the ability to install packages from one architecture on a machine that is running a different architecture. This makes i386/amd64 issues simpler (no more <ia32-libs>!), helps tag firmware blobs with the correct arch and allows easier cross-compiling and bootstrapping. Multiarch support is a release goal for Debian 7.0 "Wheezy". http://www.debian.org/News/2011/20110726b http://wiki.debian.org/Multiarch |
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| 11:27.09 | Jarris | no help for me? |
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| 11:28.46 | man_in_shack | hmm |
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| 11:30.28 | thinkerweb | how do you search a bunch a files in a directory for a string |
| 11:30.34 | Nik05 | with grep |
| 11:30.46 | Jarris | that was fast |
| 11:31.04 | Nik05 | sorry Jarris i dont know how to fix your issue, probably better to upgrade to wheezy |
| 11:31.52 | man_in_shack | thanks ChrisH |
| 11:32.11 | man_in_shack | got it |
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| 11:32.29 | Jarris | wheezy is quiet stable by now, isnt it? |
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| 11:32.48 | Nik05 | well its in a freeze right now |
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| 11:33.00 | ChrisH | man_in_shack: YW :) |
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| 11:33.02 | Nik05 | becoming "stable" soon |
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| 11:33.46 | Jarris | i will give it a try :) |
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| 11:33.51 | Jarris | ty Nik05 |
| 11:34.05 | Nik05 | but Jarris read how to upgrde from squeeze to wheezy |
| 11:34.25 | Nik05 | no idea what you did by getting a packages from wheezy into your squeeze |
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| 11:34.42 | Jarris | added the repos |
| 11:35.02 | Jarris | did so on other server for zabbix by exampel and works fine |
| 11:36.59 | Nik05 | thinkerweb is it working 'grep -r string' should work on a directory |
| 11:37.53 | thinkerweb | Niamkik, thx |
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| 11:41.11 | nevyn | Jarris: it smells like out of disk space maybe? |
| 11:41.21 | nevyn | Jarris: can you logon as root at a console? |
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| 11:42.42 | Kingsy | I have installed netbeans through the package manager and through a .sh file so thats twice. I have removed it through apt-get now however I still have two entries in my xfce menu, two versions of the application and BOTH work.. wtf? |
| 11:42.54 | Kingsy | can I use apt-get to remove the old one once and for all ? |
| 11:43.10 | babilen | Kingsy: purge it? |
| 11:43.38 | babilen | Kingsy: No idea what the netbeans installer does/did though (which might interfere with the menu generation) |
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| 11:44.44 | Kingsy | babilen: hrm I did purge it. |
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| 11:46.55 | Jarris | nevyn: i am still logged in ^^ |
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| 11:47.07 | Kingsy | babilen: how do you use apt-get to search to see what you have installed? |
| 11:47.21 | Jarris | nevyn: no space problems |
| 11:47.25 | yareckon | hi folks, looking for some help getting my googleable terms right |
| 11:47.56 | Nik05 | Kingsy: if you install it with a installer from netbeans you cant see that in apt |
| 11:48.06 | yareckon | right now, I have aurora the firefox beta browser installed, but it is not opening links that are passed to it from other apps |
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| 11:48.37 | Kingsy | Nik05: I know, I am trying to remove the version I installed with apt |
| 11:48.41 | yareckon | Say I have an email with links in it. Normal firefox when set as the default browser, opens to the clicked link |
| 11:48.45 | Kingsy | Nik05: so only the version I installed with the installer is left. |
| 11:48.53 | yareckon | Aurora opens, but doesn't load any page |
| 11:49.08 | yareckon | i.e. it doesn't get the parameter from the other app |
| 11:49.25 | yareckon | what is this called, and what do I google to fix it? |
| 11:49.28 | ronr | Hi, I got an (ancient) debian system still running a 2.6.14 kernel with mixed packages from all sorts of distributions that's (obviously) in desperate need of upgrading. It's a live server though and downtime should be minimized, I want a fresh install so I tried to debootstrap to a spare hd in the server, however it fails on the chroot with the message that the kernel is too old (FATAL: kernel too old) any clues? |
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| 11:54.54 | jelly | ronr: apart from the obvious? |
| 11:55.11 | deepy | I need to eavesdrop on a conversation happening over TCP, is there any nifty tool for doing this? |
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| 11:55.19 | deepy | I can point my client to another port if necessary |
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| 11:55.38 | ronr | jelly: meaning upgrading the kernel? that's a bit too tricky right now (I don't think the server will come back after boot) |
| 11:56.13 | ShiroiKuma | Does anyone know how os-prober works in finding other systems? It keeps adding Windows 7 entries to grub but I don't have Windows 7 on drives anymore |
| 11:56.14 | korhojoa | ronr: is the powercycle the problem or that something won't mount or start afterwards? |
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| 11:56.58 | ronr | korhojoa: just my experience that these ancient machines often hang after a boot (I don't have physical access to the machine right now) |
| 11:57.11 | jelly | ronr: have access to console, if it doesn't boot with a newer kernel, boot the current one |
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| 11:57.45 | ronr | jelly: yeah, a visit to the data centre is probably required |
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| 11:57.59 | jelly | next time, buy servers with remote console and remote reset+power button support |
| 11:58.10 | jelly | ("lights-out management") |
| 11:58.25 | korhojoa | i wonder if he could kexec it |
| 11:58.26 | ronr | got those now, but this is an oldie |
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| 11:58.52 | jelly | ronr: but frankly, if it's that fragile, copy the whole thing to a new server, and test there |
| 11:59.18 | korhojoa | do you have an identical machine? |
| 11:59.29 | ronr | jelly: that would have been my first choice, if i had a spare machine |
| 11:59.31 | korhojoa | that would let you test if it works |
| 11:59.45 | frikinz | deepy: tshark, wireshark, tcpdump, .. loads |
| 11:59.54 | korhojoa | ronr: you're not virtualized? |
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| 12:00.12 | ronr | korhojoa: only on my new machines |
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| 12:00.27 | ronr | could make a temporary vm for this of course |
| 12:00.35 | ronr | thx, I'll give that a try |
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| 12:05.35 | Feigrim | anyone here using ProFont on Debian? I am unsure how to set it in .Xresources for rxvt-unicode |
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| 12:06.23 | jelly | Feigrim: bitmap or ttf? |
| 12:06.30 | anew | hello guys. would xvnc be the best candidate for a persistant x server ? |
| 12:06.32 | anew | or is there a better option |
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| 12:07.36 | Feigrim | jelly: it's a bitmap font afaik |
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| 12:08.12 | Feigrim | I am used to using URxvt.font: xft: on another distro |
| 12:08.15 | Feigrim | so not sure what to do here |
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| 12:13.06 | jelly | Feigrim: well, did you donwload and install the pcf bitmap fonts, or the ttf? |
| 12:13.36 | Feigrim | pcf |
| 12:14.19 | Feigrim | but I need to make sure that fc-cache has found the fonts |
| 12:15.02 | jelly | Feigrim: I'm not sure fontconfig can deal with those at all. |
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| 12:16.21 | jelly | Feigrim: instead of that, unpack the files, copy them to eg. /usr/share/fonts/X11/misc, run mkfontdir as root in that directory, verify the new fonts.dir file in there lists the font files, and run "xset fp rehash" as the logged in user |
| 12:16.37 | WormFood | I have an "NVIDIA stereo controller", and a high frequency (3d) monitor. What software can I use with this, to watch 3D movies under Linux? |
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| 12:17.20 | Feigrim | jelly: ok I'll try that thanks |
| 12:17.55 | anew | what's the download dir for iceweasel ? |
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| 12:18.43 | jelly | Feigrim: after that, "xterm -fn -nil-profont-medium-r-normal--22-220-72-72-c-120-iso8859-1" ought to work and you can use that oldschool X11 font description for URxvt resource as well |
| 12:18.47 | WormFood | ~/Downloads I think |
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| 12:21.17 | jelly | Feigrim: it's just URxvt.font: -nil-profont-medium-r-normal--15-150-72-72-c-70-iso8859-1 |
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| 12:25.16 | Feigrim | jelly: it worked, thanks :D |
| 12:25.33 | Feigrim | I'm pretty new to linux as you might notice _p |
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| 12:27.33 | jelly | Feigrim: I didn't notice tbh, manually managing X bitmap fonts is a bit arcane in this day and age |
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| 12:28.24 | Feigrim | well I am used to doing it on Arch and there I just did Urxvt.font: xft:Profont:pixelsize=10 |
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| 12:30.30 | Towzzer | good morning folks |
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| 13:31.32 | N34lO | hi, can someone help me, dig domain.tld works but ping will give me a "ping: unknown host [...]" in my chroot |
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| 13:34.14 | Oweoqi | could I, theoretically replace ubuntu with a debian release? I always thought of debian to be stable as heck but not as accessible. Am I wrong? |
| 13:34.39 | Nik05 | guys if i want to check for badblock i need to, well i can, specify the bytes in a block. Is the blocksize the same as Units in fdisk? |
| 13:34.42 | Oweoqi | I am genuinely considering moving to debian |
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| 13:38.54 | samgraf | Oweoqi: I find Ubuntu to be more user friendly than Debian, but I have moved to Debian and manage to get over most of the speed bumps I encounter. |
| 13:40.33 | Oweoqi | ah yeah, now is testing ok as day to day? |
| 13:41.00 | Oweoqi | testing release that is |
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| 13:42.47 | samgraf | Since I use Debian for work I prefer to use the stable releases, but I have heard that wheezy is pretty stable. |
| 13:43.41 | Oweoqi | ok cool, which iso do I need so I can give this a whirl in a vm? |
| 13:43.55 | Oweoqi | as in is there a live cd? |
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| 13:44.21 | puznel | dpkg: tell Oweoqi about install wheezy |
| 13:44.39 | samgraf | I've only run Debian VM under XenServer, but there it requires multiarch. |
| 13:45.06 | Oweoqi | ah awesome thanks puznel |
| 13:45.14 | puznel | You're welcome. |
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| 14:19.57 | somiaj | samgraf: wheezy should be sable soon enough, still trying to squash all the rc bugs, (: |
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| 14:20.09 | somiaj | samgraf: main thing you miss with wheezy is security support |
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| 14:23.56 | Dudytz | hi all, is there a provision when wheezy is set to stable? |
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| 14:24.56 | Sm0ke0ut | nope |
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| 14:25.13 | Vicissitude | provision for what? |
| 14:25.28 | Dudytz | when weezy is set to stable |
| 14:25.41 | Dudytz | *wheezy |
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| 14:26.23 | Dudytz | wheezy is the testing release, right? |
| 14:26.31 | Pupeno_w | Is it possible to increase the amount of directories I can create in a directory in an ext3 fs? |
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| 14:27.23 | somiaj | Dudytz: /msg dpkg rc bugs (basically when that reaches 0) |
| 14:28.51 | somiaj | looks like there is about 200 left |
| 14:29.01 | jelly | Pupeno_w: nope. Make your tree deeper and use symlinks, if you have to. |
| 14:29.09 | Dudytz | great, thank you somiaj |
| 14:29.17 | digdilem_ | Pupeno_w, in root dir or overall? |
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| 14:29.36 | Pupeno_w | jelly: I can't do that… I'm restoring a backup of files from S3 that was done by another server. I bet they were using reiserfs |
| 14:29.44 | Pupeno_w | digdilem_: in a dir, not in root. |
| 14:29.53 | digdilem_ | then no. http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-general-1/increasing-number-of-inodes-without-re-creating-the-partition-891734/ |
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| 14:30.13 | samgraf | somiaj: I have heard nothing but good things about wheezy stability. I just prefer to let the process run its course and wait for Debian 7. If there were something I needed from wheezy now it would be different, but squeeze has been running along nicely for me. :) |
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| 14:30.39 | digdilem_ | Pupeno_w, you would need to repartition and set a new level of inodes then, or use a different fs. Either way it means starting over |
| 14:30.43 | jelly | Pupeno_w: wikipedia says: "Increasing the 32,000 subdirectory limit In ext3 a directory can have at most 32,000 subdirectories. In ext4 this limit increased to 64,000." |
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| 14:31.01 | digdilem_ | i've hit this limit with zoneminder |
| 14:31.11 | jelly | digdilem_: this is not an inode issue |
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| 14:31.24 | digdilem_ | sorry, I got sidetracked. you're right |
| 14:31.25 | somiaj | samgraf: oh yea, it has been frozen for some time, really it is stable by most's idea of stable, but the few rc bugs that remain mean it hasn't been released. Which means little to no security support. The stability isn't much of an issue to me as to why to not use it. |
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| 14:31.42 | Pupeno_w | jelly: yeah… I'm thinking moving to ext4… but I'm not sure whether that limit will remain in the *upgraded* FS. |
| 14:31.47 | jelly | Pupeno_w: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ext4#Features |
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| 14:32.45 | jelly | dunno, my educated guess would be that for an inplace conversion, directories already existing will keep their old structural limits |
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| 14:33.13 | jelly | Pupeno_w: how many subdirs do you need? Will 64k be enough? |
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| 14:33.45 | Pupeno_w | jelly: I believe it'll be. reisefs limit is 64k and from the shape of the data it looks that it'll be lower that 64k. |
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| 14:35.00 | jelly | well then. Convert to ext4, mkdir new, mv old/* new, rmdir old, mv new old |
| 14:35.09 | jelly | and continue restoring |
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| 14:36.50 | Pupeno_w | jelly: yeah… I'll have to do something like that. |
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| 14:47.19 | lroe | I just plugged in a usb->serial adapter and I was hoping/expecting to see in dmesg a reference to what tty it is on |
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| 14:47.33 | lroe | I see the usb event and the correct driver being loaded, but I don't know how toa ccess the serial port |
| 14:48.47 | digdilem_ | lroe, has anything appeared in /dev/tty* that wasn't before? |
| 14:49.49 | lroe | digdilem_, ha! |
| 14:49.51 | lroe | thans |
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| 14:49.58 | digdilem_ | :) |
| 14:49.59 | lroe | I didn't think ttyUSB0 |
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| 14:51.35 | ChrisH | lroe: If it gets detected, it shpuld show up in dmesg. |
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| 14:52.24 | lroe | ChrisH, as I said, it did |
| 14:52.37 | lroe | but what was missing is 'this device is now attached to /dev/ttyUSB0 |
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| 14:53.13 | lroe | digdilem_, was kind enough to point out the fact that usb serial devices don't use ttyS* |
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| 14:59.43 | ChrisH | lroe: OK. I used quite a few of these and the only difference I saw was: It does work out of the box or never :) |
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| 15:04.03 | shawnbon206 | anyone use tcsh (T shell)? |
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| 15:14.47 | blsub | I have big touble... until yesterday my debian laptop did run flawlessly. Today, when the BiOS tried to boot from the SSD, it just showed a blinking cursor. Then I live booted Super Grub Disk and let it repair the mbr. Since then it boots but only into this special mode where one can only login as root or press ctrl+d . And, what is worst, is that sda3, the data partition, just disappeared... I would be very thankful for any help |
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| 15:23.56 | Pupeno_w | Is there a way to mark an ext3 fs as ext4 without enabling new features, so it'll be mounted as ext4? |
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| 15:24.45 | cusco | Pupeno_w: that sounds like a XY issue |
| 15:25.16 | abrotman | Pupeno_w: why bother? |
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| 15:25.31 | Pupeno_w | cusco: maybe it is. |
| 15:26.11 | Pupeno_w | abrotman: because I want to see that everything works in a Linode when a partition is seen as ext4 before enabling new features that I can't disable. |
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| 15:29.43 | jelly | Pupeno_w: the thing you need out of it _is_ a new feature |
| 15:30.27 | Pupeno_w | jelly: yes. once I see the partition correctly mounted as ext4 at boot time and everything working smooth, I'll enable the new features. |
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| 15:30.32 | jelly | you won't be able to go back to ext3 if you manage to create >32000 subdirs |
| 15:31.21 | Pupeno_w | jelly: that's fine. |
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| 15:32.19 | jelly | so just change the fstype, I think |
| 15:32.46 | jelly | or just umount and mount -t ext4 |
| 15:33.24 | Pupeno_w | jelly: it's the root partition, I cannot do mount -t ext4. |
| 15:33.47 | Pupeno_w | jelly: I already tried that and it works fine, now I need it to mount as ext4 at root. |
| 15:33.54 | Pupeno_w | at boot time I mean. |
| 15:34.31 | jelly | good grief, you need 32k subdirs in / fs?! |
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| 15:34.39 | jelly | tells Pupeno_w about /srv |
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| 15:34.59 | Pupeno_w | *sigh* |
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| 15:37.14 | blsub | what can one do when a partition on HD disappears magically? |
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| 15:43.59 | Pupeno_w | blsub: if you re-create it with exactly the same attributes, you can get it back. There seems to be tools to help you with that. |
| 15:44.11 | Pupeno_w | blsub: I just run parted for the first time in ages and it has a rescue command. |
| 15:44.25 | Sevet | i'd question why it disappeared though |
| 15:44.42 | Sevet | what do you mean by disappeared? unmounted, or actually no longer in the partition table? |
| 15:45.02 | Pupeno_w | Sevet: ah… good point. |
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| 15:46.48 | blsub | Pupeno_w: I created the partitions in the install wizard. One partition that is lost is just the whole HD minus the two detected partitions. Do you know of a tool that recreates the partition? |
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| 15:48.32 | Pupeno_w | blsub: parted seems to be able to do some things… but I'm not sure that's what you want. |
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| 15:59.39 | optraz | how do i upgrade the packages in cli ? |
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| 16:00.24 | mtn | optraz: man aptitude |
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| 16:01.27 | sriharsha | is there a tool which can display piped input like 'less' in a GUI window? gedit seems to work but it cannot handle colorized terminal output |
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| 16:01.44 | optraz | safe-upgrade |
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| 16:04.41 | puznel | sriharsha: you can't use 'less'? |
| 16:05.10 | sriharsha | puznel, I want to get the output in a separate window |
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| 16:06.22 | sriharsha | puznel, I tried this: gnome-terminal -e 'bash -c "svn diff -r26034:26035 | less -r"' |
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| 16:07.13 | sriharsha | puznel, and it seems to do the job, but I'm wondering is there something simpler. |
| 16:07.46 | puznel | That's probably as simple as it gets. |
| 16:08.20 | sriharsha | puznel, Ok :) |
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| 16:11.32 | puznel | sriharsha: although if it's for diffs, there are specific tools for them. |
| 16:12.38 | sriharsha | puznel, ok, I will search for them; thanks |
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| 16:13.57 | puznel | sriharsha: some interesting ones: diffuse, emacs vc-diff, kdiff3. |
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| 16:28.36 | jhutchins_wk | I need some LVM handholding if anybody can recommend a channel or wants to help. |
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| 16:32.45 | jelly | jhutchins_wk: #lvm ? :-) |
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| 16:33.04 | jelly | or just ask here |
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| 16:42.36 | ms4sman | Is there an official guide for installing Debain on a windows8 preinstalled machine? I know there is a new prebootloader, but I cant find a good guide for using it. |
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| 16:46.20 | jhutchins_wk | I have increased the size of a VM drive, and need to expand the LV on that drive. The VG does not appear to use the full space available. What do I need to do in what order to get the LV ext4 partition to use all available space? |
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| 16:47.32 | s2r2 | hello #debian. I just stumbled upon an init script with the she-bang "#!/usr/bin/env bash" -- this doesn't work, does it? |
| 16:47.43 | s2r2 | (I'm having bashism-issues with the script, so I kind of doubt it) |
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| 16:49.15 | s2r2 | but then again, if the she-bang was ignored, why would some init scripts use "#!/bin/sh -e"? |
| 16:49.19 | passstab | hi |
| 16:49.38 | The98 | jhutchins_wk, not quite sure, but maybe # resize2fs /dev/*** (your drive) ? |
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| 16:53.56 | ChrisH | jhutchins_wk: I allways avoided that step and added a second disk to the VG, pvcreate, vgextend |
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| 16:57.02 | passstab | is ther a way to install packages as if they were dependencies? |
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| 16:58.25 | passstab | so that it would be removed with autoremove? |
| 16:58.58 | ChrisH | jhutchins_wk: With the risk of loosing all. fdisk to make the partition table match the new size, them pvresize. I did the other way (add a new disk to the VG) quite often without any problems. |
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| 16:59.46 | The98 | ChrisH, I think it's safer and easier to use resizefs |
| 17:00.02 | The98 | *resize2fs |
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| 17:00.46 | The98 | anyone know anything about LIRC? |
| 17:00.47 | ChrisH | The98: man resize2fs The resize2fs program does not manipulate the size of partitions |
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| 17:01.21 | The98 | yes it does, I have done it. It expands the size to its maximux available |
| 17:02.13 | ChrisH | The98: it does fiddle with partition tables, modifies PVs and VGs and LVs from LVM? |
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| 17:04.02 | jelly | The98: that's incorrect |
| 17:04.22 | jelly | resize2fs only deals with the filesystem structure, nothing more, nothing less |
| 17:04.38 | ChrisH | resize2fs is not vxassist |
| 17:05.32 | The98 | maybe we're talking about different things |
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| 17:05.44 | jelly | ChrisH: and not even vxassist does all these things at the same time! |
| 17:05.51 | jhutchins_wk | A minor, slightly off-topic rant: |
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| 17:06.12 | jhutchins_wk | LVM is frequently pitched as making it easier to resize volums. That's just not true. |
| 17:06.30 | jelly | jhutchins_wk: it's true if you take necessary precautions |
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| 17:06.53 | jhutchins_wk | To resize a conventional volume, you change the size of the volume with fdisk, then run resize2fs. |
| 17:07.09 | ChrisH | jelly: ACK. I never did increase LUNs used in VxVM... Oh well we did once and VxVM crashed it all. |
| 17:07.16 | jelly | jhutchins_wk: these include avoiding partitioning at all for PVs |
| 17:07.21 | The98 | I have used resize2fs when I needed to expand the size of a partition. For example I made an image of the partition to dump it into a new this, and the size wasn't the same |
| 17:07.32 | The98 | *a new disk |
| 17:07.50 | jhutchins_wk | To change an LVM volume, you change the physical size - which fdisk can't do in this case; then you change the size of the Volume Group, then you change the size of the LV, THEN you to resize2fs. Two more steps, and I don't know why fdisk doesn't see the partition. |
| 17:08.11 | jelly | jhutchins_wk: if you have to use fdisk, you did not make an optimal setup |
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| 17:08.55 | jhutchins_wk | Yeah, well, I'm not surprized if the "expert" from Red Hat didn't do it right. He put the system on the 160G main storage volume, and the secondary storage on the 30G system volume too. |
| 17:09.01 | ChrisH | jhutchins_wk: can you pastebin us the setup so we can have a look? |
| 17:09.07 | jelly | jhutchins_wk: ideally, you don't change physical size of PVs, just add new ones. Less ideally, you only grow PVs, but make them use _whole disks_, not partitions. |
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| 17:09.42 | jhutchins_wk | jelly: Don't I have to grow the VG to the new size first? Virtual disk on VMWare, already resized. |
| 17:10.07 | jelly | jhutchins_wk: no, VG resizing is the second step. |
| 17:10.19 | jhutchins_wk | However, the LV and VG are the same size, ~2G smaller than the original VD. |
| 17:10.25 | jelly | first step is adding/creating or resizing a PV. |
| 17:10.56 | jhutchins_wk | so pvresize first. |
| 17:11.03 | ChrisH | jhutchins_wk: Please show us the setup, what I understood sounds aehm, strange and unusal |
| 17:11.05 | jelly | jhutchins_wk: sure. did that work? |
| 17:11.48 | jhutchins_wk | ChrisH: What output do you want? |
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| 17:12.07 | jhutchins_wk | pvresize manpage says "after enlarging the partition with fdisk" - but fdisk doesn't see a partition. |
| 17:12.07 | jelly | our current practice for vmware VMs include having a separate disk for /boot, and a larger one _without partitions_, used as PV, for everything else |
| 17:12.25 | jhutchins_wk | That's sort of what we have here. |
| 17:13.02 | jelly | jhutchins_wk: pastebin the output of "pvs" and "vgs" and "lvs" for a start, to get a rough picture |
| 17:13.28 | ChrisH | jhutchins_wk: lets start with ... what jelly mentioned, and add fdisk -l for the pvs output pleas |
| 17:13.35 | jhutchins_wk | We have / /tmp and /var on conventional disk, then two storage volumes, each on their own disk and VG. |
| 17:13.36 | jelly | righto |
| 17:13.53 | jhutchins_wk | k. |
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| 17:14.33 | jelly | (I like the ??s commands more than ??display as a starting point because of the terse and readable output) |
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| 17:15.47 | ChrisH | jelly: I just learn to use them, I learned LVM on HPUX and ther you only have xxdisplay |
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| 17:16.52 | jelly | yeah, lvm idea and UI was stolen from hpux pretty much 1:1 |
| 17:16.58 | jhutchins_wk | http://paste.debian.net/238651/ |
| 17:18.41 | jhutchins_wk | I am primarily concerned with the var-satellite volume. It is on a 200G Virtual disk. |
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| 17:19.11 | ChrisH | jhutchins_wk: hmm. I would have done that into one VG not two and I would also habe pit the system onto LVM... anyhow. Does fdisk -l /dev/sdb show the new size? |
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| 17:20.02 | ChrisH | jhutchins_wk: can you unmount this lvol? |
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| 17:20.40 | jelly | jhutchins_wk: did you rescan /dev/sdb to get the new size? |
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| 17:21.17 | jelly | jhutchins_wk: echo 1 >> /sys/block/sdb/device/rescan |
| 17:21.30 | ChrisH | jhutchins_wk: or do you have space to create another 200GB Disk for temp? idea use pvmove and drop the old disk from VG |
| 17:21.35 | sam1 | Anyonw know where to find information regarding error codes passed from e1000 driver in ethtool test? I get code 4 for Interrupt test |
| 17:21.47 | jhutchins_wk | Oh - I think I was doing fdisk -l /dev/mapper/var-satellite. Strange, it shows 118.1G. |
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| 17:22.05 | jelly | jhutchins_wk: since fdisk does not see 200GB for sdb, I guess you forgot that step |
| 17:22.21 | jhutchins_wk | Ok, yay, now it shows the full size. |
| 17:22.51 | jelly | jhutchins_wk: you may now wipe and create a larger partition in place of sdb1 starting EXACTLY in the same place |
| 17:23.09 | jhutchins_wk | ChrisH: I probably could if that's the best practice. Personally I'd just create all new disks and rsync everything. |
| 17:23.37 | jelly | jhutchins_wk: next time, avoid partitioning disks that are to be used as PVs |
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| 17:24.11 | jelly | linux kernel cannot update its internal view of partition tables while _any_ of the partitions on a disk are in use |
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| 17:24.39 | jhutchins_wk | Ok. |
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| 17:25.08 | jelly | jhutchins_wk: this means you'll have to stop using sdb1 and sdb to make the kernel see the change after you resize the partiton |
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| 17:25.17 | jhutchins_wk | I suspect I should unmount it first, right? |
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| 17:25.52 | ChrisH | If you can unmount, its best. do not forget vgchange -a n var-satellite |
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| 17:27.31 | jhutchins_wk | Ok, giving notice & stopping the server, might as well go ahead with this. |
| 17:27.54 | jhutchins_wk | ChrisH: Is that the very next step, or is fdisk? |
| 17:28.09 | jhutchins_wk | Since the partition starts at 1, that won't be difficult. |
| 17:28.40 | ChrisH | umount, deactivate the VG and then fdisk to give the kernel a chance to realisze the new size without a reboot |
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| 17:29.20 | jhutchins_wk | ChrisH: Ok, how do I deactivate it? |
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| 17:29.34 | ChrisH | vgchange -a n var-satellite |
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| 17:29.48 | jelly | perhaps save a copy of the partition table with sfdisk -d /dev/sdb > sdb.txt (easily restorable with cat sdb.txt | sfdisk /dev/sdb) |
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| 17:32.51 | ChrisH | http://muzso.hu/2009/07/28/how-to-resize-an-lvm-physical-volume-without-a-reboot shows the action. |
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| 17:34.01 | jhutchins_wk | scanning that |
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| 17:37.02 | jhutchins_wk | ChrisH: Good recommendation, thanks. |
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| 17:38.12 | ChrisH | out for dinner, i will have a look here later again. |
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| 17:39.32 | jhutchins_wk | woot! Showing new size in pvdisplay! |
| 17:40.02 | jhutchins_wk | history | grep vgchange |
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| 17:41.00 | ChrisH | jhutchins_wk: If you have space free in the VG, you can online lvextend, resize2fs |
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| 17:44.46 | jhutchins_wk | ChrisH: lvextend -L 200G --name var-satellite --resizefs ? |
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| 17:48.29 | jhutchins_wk | Unrecognized option --name |
| 17:48.34 | jhutchins_wk | lvextend -L 200G --resizefs --name var-satellite /dev/var-satellite |
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| 17:48.50 | jelly | jhutchins_wk: get the vg back up and mount the fs before doing the resize |
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| 17:50.09 | jelly | I've never used lvextend's --resizefs; always do resize2fs manually after exteding the lv |
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| 17:52.08 | jhutchins_wk | Yeah, it's back up. Isn't mount the last step? |
| 17:52.33 | jhutchins_wk | I'm having a little trouble with specifying the volume for vgextend |
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| 17:54.27 | jhutchins_wk | There we go, lvextend -L 200G -r /dev/var-satellite/var-satellite /dev/sdb1 |
| 17:55.15 | jhutchins_wk | Ok, fsck on 200G might take a bit. |
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| 17:56.31 | jhutchins_wk | I REALLY appreciate the walk through, the other guides I found were just not as helpful or consistent. |
| 17:56.32 | tobe1896 | i installed the 64-bit-version of my previous 32-bit-kernel-version. Since that i can't "make deb" for a package. It says at the end that it created the amd64-package but there is nothing. It worked for the same package with the 32-bit-kernel. Anything i missed? anything i have to re-install in 32-bit? anything i can search for or test it? |
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| 17:59.29 | Nik05 | tobe1896 so you have a 32bit environment and a 64bit kernel? :S |
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| 18:01.30 | tobe1896 | Nik05: ohh, do it? :( what to do? where to find information? |
| 18:02.07 | tobe1896 | can't i just upgrade all packages to the 64-bit-bersion? |
| 18:02.12 | somiaj | tobe1896: So you installed debian 32 bit (dpkg --print-architecture) but are running a 64 bit kernel? |
| 18:02.27 | somiaj | tobe1896: no, if you want to change to a 64bit userland you will want to reinstall |
| 18:02.35 | cardamon | nm-applet is only in network-manager-gnome? |
| 18:03.02 | tobe1896 | somiaj: oh yes, architecture is i386 |
| 18:03.16 | somiaj | tobe1896: so you are in a 32bit user land (but on a 64bit kernel) which is just fine |
| 18:03.42 | somiaj | tobe1896: sometimes that is enough for what people need/want. But yes if you want a 64bit install you should reinstall |
| 18:04.05 | somiaj | though with wheezy now being multiarch (well somewhat) you may be able to kludge things around and switch, but this is not suggested as there is no nice way to do it |
| 18:04.46 | somiaj | tobe1896: why do you want a 64bit userland? |
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| 18:05.49 | tobe1896 | somiaj: i wanted to use ZFS, but it head some speed problems, so i wanted to go to 64-bit because it'S recommended for the zfs port, but since that i can't "make deb" for the zfs package |
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| 18:06.19 | tobe1896 | somiaj so as i see i just need the 64-bit-kernel |
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| 18:06.41 | somiaj | tobe1896: yea, but you may need to make a 64bit chroot so you have a 64bit build enviorment |
| 18:07.04 | somiaj | tobe1896: but I'm unsure about zfs and if you did that if the module would depend on the 64bit libc6 (core stuff) |
| 18:07.35 | somiaj | tobe1896: one would think a 64bit kernel + zfs modules would be enough, but you would need 32bit tools (makefs.zfs, fsck, or what ever other tools zfs uses |
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| 18:08.14 | cardamon | I'm having trouble. I'm trying to run xmonad, but my DE is KDE. nm-applet's in the gnome package. |
| 18:08.24 | jhutchins_wk | ok, I had read about the units problem. It says Insufficient free space: 23552 extents needed, but only 23551 available |
| 18:08.29 | tobe1896 | somiaj: but is it possible that "make deb" for a package doesn't work anymore because of that? |
| 18:08.44 | cardamon | I'm trying to figure out what the kde front-end is called so I can launch it through trayer. |
| 18:08.48 | somiaj | cardamon: I'd suggest wicd, but did you try apt-file or packages.debian.org, could have sworn there was a kde nm package |
| 18:08.50 | tobe1896 | and i get the message, that the package was created for amd64 |
| 18:08.52 | cardamon | er, and put it in trayer. |
| 18:09.00 | cardamon | somiaj: There is. I have it. |
| 18:09.20 | somiaj | cardamon: what does dpkg -L <that package> give you, is the binary just called something else? |
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| 18:12.01 | jhutchins_wk | +91G seems to work. |
| 18:12.08 | cardamon | somiaj: nothing at all. http://paste.debian.net/238676/ |
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| 18:17.05 | bs0d | Good day everyone. Is there any possibility to install/use Steam in debian? |
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| 18:19.02 | jhutchins_wk | Success! Re-mounted as 196G. lvs shows 1020.00m free - I guess that's different from 1024 which 200G would have wanted. |
| 18:20.14 | jhutchins_wk | Huh, vgs shows VSize 200.00g, lvs shows 199.00g, and df -h shows 196G. |
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| 18:21.35 | somiaj | cardamon: apt-cache show network-manager-kde -- you should see it is a transational package, install the right kde package |
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| 18:22.07 | somiaj | bs0d: unoffically people have gotten it to work. Most likely won't work in squeeze, and you have to be careful as the packages are ubuntu I belive |
| 18:22.22 | somiaj | bs0d: so you can get it to work, but I'm sure google will give you more advice on the issues to watch out for. |
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| 18:22.45 | bs0d | somiaj: so it is not in the packages tree and should be fetched from unofficial releases right? |
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| 18:23.00 | bs0d | somiaj: in apt repo, I mean |
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| 18:24.55 | alkisg | Hi, I'm trying to import http://bzr.debian.org/bzr/pkg-ltsp/ltsp-debian-packaging to launchpad for automated building of some packages, but I'm getting connection errors: http://launchpadlibrarian.net/132516972/vagrantc-ltsp-ltsp-debian-packaging.log |
| 18:24.55 | alkisg | "2013-02-27 18:10:58 INFO Unable to open remote branch: Connection error: while sending GET /bzr/bzr/pkg-ltsp/ltsp-debian-packaging/.bzr/branch-format: [Errno 110] Connection timed out" |
| 18:24.55 | alkisg | Does anyone see something wrong with the URLs and the paths there? |
| 18:25.42 | bs0d | and one more question .. which Latex system could you suggest to use? I need full amount of packages .. so that should be an integrated entire installation with less of manual configuration |
| 18:25.43 | somiaj | bs0d: I know steam is not made for debian anywhere I have seen. The .debs provided are for ubuntu. You do not want to add a ubuntu repo to your debain. But if you get the .deb you can make it work on wheezy I belive, it just may take some work. |
| 18:26.13 | somiaj | bs0d: textlive is what it is called in wheezy/sid (it keeps changing names on me) |
| 18:26.32 | somiaj | bs0d: I think the texlive-latex-base and texlive-latex-extra should get you enough |
| 18:26.45 | bs0d | somiaj: thank you so much |
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| 18:33.43 | shad0w1e | can anyone verify for me which versions of Debian / which kernels contain this fix? http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=584881 Thanks |
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| 18:35.21 | pmo | shad0w1e, read what the text says |
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| 18:35.38 | somiaj | shad0w1e: the last message seems to say it was fixed in 3.2.14-1 |
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| 18:35.45 | somiaj | ,v linux-image-2.6 |
| 18:35.47 | judd | No package named 'linux-image-2.6' was found in i386. |
| 18:36.07 | tharkun | What is the command to add a user to a group? |
| 18:36.10 | shad0w1e | was it also fixed in the 2.6 line? |
| 18:36.11 | somiaj | ,v linux-image-3.2-amd64 |
| 18:36.12 | judd | No package named 'linux-image-3.2-amd64' was found in i386. |
| 18:36.48 | pmo | seems like yes shad0w1e |
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| 18:37.43 | shad0w1e | ahh |
| 18:37.45 | somiaj | shad0w1e: I don't see anywhere that it says they fixed it there. |
| 18:38.02 | somiaj | shad0w1e: but maybe I missed it, you can also check the changelog of the current squeeze kernel |
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| 18:38.11 | shad0w1e | well in the subject, but I'd fel more confident if the exact version was specified |
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| 18:39.39 | shad0w1e | I dont see it in the changelog... |
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| 18:42.14 | somiaj | shad0w1e: the info I see is they weren't able to relabally reproduce the bug in squeeze (it was more a lenny issue and it is no longer being matained). There appears to be a patch you can use, but I didn't see any commit about actually applying the patch to the debian builds. |
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| 18:44.52 | shad0w1e | thanks somiaj |
| 18:45.23 | shad0w1e | but it was applied to wheezy?? |
| 18:45.53 | somiaj | seems to be a fix from upstream, but yes 3.2.14-1 and onward have had the upstream fix |
| 18:46.27 | shad0w1e | so it was fixed in lenny and wheezy but not squeeze for some reason |
| 18:46.35 | somiaj | seems 3.2.35 is the curret wheezy, so you should be fine |
| 18:46.43 | shad0w1e | or actually it wasnt fixed in lenny |
| 18:46.43 | somiaj | no it wasn't fixed in lenny |
| 18:46.58 | shad0w1e | ok thanks |
| 18:47.14 | somiaj | it was fixed upstream in 3.2.14, someone provided a backported patch for squeeze. They did not do anything to lenny because by that time it had reached its EOL |
| 18:47.34 | somiaj | (well it was fixed in like 3.3 or 3.4, but then backported to 3.2) |
| 18:47.37 | shad0w1e | but the backported patch is not included, right? |
| 18:47.48 | shad0w1e | meaning- I need to build my own kernel to get it into 2.6? |
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| 18:49.16 | somiaj | that is what I understood. Are you experincing the bug in squeeze? There was a comment about it not showing up in squeeze. |
| 18:49.22 | somiaj | (well not able to reproduce it) |
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| 18:50.20 | somiaj | yea the patch was only applied to 'test', which it seems it wasn't needed at the time, so the patch just sits there. |
| 18:50.36 | somiaj | shad0w1e: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=584881#113 |
| 18:50.54 | e-anima | hi. i am having problem with the graphviz package as its very old 2.26. can you give me any hints what i can to to get the latest version. manually compile? |
| 18:51.09 | somiaj | ,v graphviz |
| 18:51.10 | judd | Package: graphviz on i386 -- lenny: 2.20.2-3; squeeze: 2.26.3-5; sid: 2.26.3-12; wheezy: 2.26.3-12 |
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| 18:51.26 | somiaj | e-anima: various options, you could try /msg dpkg uupdate |
| 18:51.27 | obiwahn | hi |
| 18:51.28 | shad0w1e | somiaj: I'm actually having the issue on Ubuntu 11.04 so I realize it could be different |
| 18:51.37 | obiwahn | i want to copy my root fs to a new disk |
| 18:51.44 | obiwahn | what live cd would you recommend to use? |
| 18:51.55 | obiwahn | i fear that the stable iso is too old |
| 18:52.04 | shad0w1e | at the same time I'm trying to find a stable distribution to move to that will not have this issue |
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| 18:52.10 | somiaj | e-anima: you could probabaly install it in /usr/local with basic ./configure, make, make install...and use stow to manage /usr/local installs |
| 18:52.28 | somiaj | shad0w1e: well wheezy won't, but it is still a few months away from being stable |
| 18:52.40 | shad0w1e | it also has another issue |
| 18:52.44 | somiaj | shad0w1e: the comment said the guys working on that bug didn't not reproudce it in squeeze, but that doens't mean it isn't there. |
| 18:52.54 | e-anima | hm ok. i am doing some more research on that. thx somiaj |
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| 18:53.01 | tobe1896 | somiaj: is it possible that "make deb" doesn't work with the 64-bit kernel in a 32-bit userland? |
| 18:53.04 | somiaj | obiwahn: there are testing (Wheezy) live isos there |
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| 18:53.25 | shad0w1e | 3.0+ kernels are performing atrociously with postgresql, there are some tickets about that too but for now I was hoping to stay on 2.6 |
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| 18:53.57 | shad0w1e | thanks for the info. |
| 18:53.58 | nyuszika7h | hi, can anyone help me? I'm getting this error when purging python3.1-minimal (an old leftover package): http://dpaste.com/1005495/ |
| 18:53.59 | e-anima | would it be possible to use an ubuntu package like: https://launchpad.net/~gviz-adm/+archive/graphviz-dev/+build/4327584 |
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| 18:54.20 | somiaj | tobe1896: I'm unsure how that would work unforntally. I think you would need a 64bit build enviorment, but even that I think could have issues. Again it shoulds like it should work, but I'm not experienced enough to help |
| 18:54.41 | somiaj | e-anima: you could try to use the ubuntu source package and build yourself a custom package on your system |
| 18:54.48 | somiaj | e-anima: but do not install ubuntu binary packages |
| 18:54.49 | tobe1896 | somiaj: ok, thanks so far |
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| 18:54.54 | e-anima | k thx |
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| 18:55.15 | somiaj | e-anima: I would try /mst dpkg uupdate myself, but that is just because I don't trust ubuntu |
| 18:55.37 | e-anima | i already did that command |
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| 18:55.58 | e-anima | the bot is just telling me to use aptitude update |
| 18:56.10 | obiwahn | somiaj: http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ the netinst should do? |
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| 18:56.19 | somiaj | yea, it is instructions for how to use uupdate to build a debian package from an upstream tarbal |
| 18:56.29 | somiaj | obiwahn: live.debian.net (I'd get an actual live image) |
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| 18:57.39 | frikandel | When I try to connect to my debian server, I get: Disconnected, No supported authentication methods available (server sent: publickey). Any way to change this into password? |
| 18:57.41 | obiwahn | http://live.debian.net/cdimage/release/next/amd64/iso-hybrid/ some file here? |
| 18:57.44 | obiwahn | i feel a bit lost |
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| 18:58.20 | Derpadong | Question: Whats the command to make apt-get install automatically with no human contact? |
| 18:58.37 | obiwahn | debian-wheezy-live-b4-amd64-rescue.iso does this look ok? |
| 18:59.09 | Kiril | Derpadong, run it on crontab |
| 18:59.51 | frikandel | When I try to connect to my debian server, I get: |
| 18:59.53 | obiwahn | Derpadong: you do not want to do that |
| 18:59.54 | frikandel | oops |
| 19:00.04 | obiwahn | maybe on a stable system for security fixes |
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| 19:00.28 | obiwahn | there is a package called cron-apt |
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| 19:02.23 | BeWilled | how is the app for connecting to samba directory called in debian wheezy? |
| 19:02.28 | Derpadong | obiwahn: I was automating my install and configs |
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| 19:02.49 | BeWilled | *windows share |
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| 19:04.07 | unkn-error | where / what is the name of the package which include "dig" ? ( dig yahoo.com for example) |
| 19:04.10 | BeWilled | there was a tool for connecting over a nice user friendly UI |
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| 19:04.51 | brontosaurusrex | BeWilled: gigolo? |
| 19:05.00 | tgunr | unkn-error: look in dns packages |
| 19:05.22 | obiwahn | Derpadong: there is something like --yes |
| 19:06.03 | obiwahn | unkn-error: apt-file is your friend |
| 19:06.34 | obiwahn | dnsutils: /usr/bin/dig |
| 19:08.27 | unkn-error | thx |
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| 19:13.14 | Kiril | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UKzy7Cxzx10&feature=player_embedded |
| 19:13.19 | Kiril | :))))))))) |
| 19:13.37 | cmyers | I am having a problem which I believe is related to my apt config. Running debian wheezy. Have the normal apt sources, plus the bitlbee nightly build (deb http://code.bitlbee.org/debian/devel/testing/amd64/ ./). Somehow, I've managed to get bitlbee-common 3.2.whatevs installed, but bitlbee itself is not, and when I do `apt-cache show` I only see the wheezy 3.0.5.whatevs version. Why can't I see the 3.2.whatevs version? The deb seems to exist here: http: |
| 19:13.55 | cmyers | my goal is to get 3.2.X installed |
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| 19:18.07 | dfx | hello guys can someone check this and tell me if my hd is dead cus i cant formate it http://pastie.org/6349300#20 |
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| 19:20.49 | babilen | Kiril: Please refrain from posting things like this in this channel in the future. Take it to #debian-offtopic and make sure to adhere to the rules there too. |
| 19:21.23 | dfx | babilen: can you help me please |
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| 19:23.12 | babilen | dfx: Not now, but please provide more information. What do you mean by "format" (creating a filesystem?) and what stops you from doing that? Have you created partitions on the device already? |
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| 19:24.02 | codephobic | hi, I need to "remote desktop" into my debian squeeze pc from another computer on my home network (an ubuntu 12.10 system), what's the best way to get this done? |
| 19:24.07 | dfx | babilen: well i cant make a table partition and got i/o error and this is the info healt of my hdd http://pastie.org/6349300#20 is it good to re-use it or its dead |
| 19:24.33 | dioz | codephobic: do you have a remote desktop application enabled on the machine you wish to remote desktop into? |
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| 19:24.55 | miss0r | codephobic: do a ssh tunnel, and export display to your machine |
| 19:24.56 | cmyers | dfx: also, have you run a SMART test? smartctl --all /dev/sdb |
| 19:25.10 | codephobic | dioz, I did install one |
| 19:25.19 | cmyers | dfx: (if you don't have smartctl, apt-get install smartmontools) |
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| 19:25.22 | dioz | is it running? |
| 19:25.24 | dfx | cmyers: ill now i need to smartmontoll right |
| 19:25.34 | dfx | yesh i saw it on the web |
| 19:25.39 | codephobic | miss0r, I'm not that familiar with ssh, I just use it to administrate and install lamp etc. |
| 19:25.50 | xeon123_ | How do I set the JAVA_PATH for all environment in gnome? |
| 19:26.16 | miss0r | codephobic: You might find this handy then: http://www.vanemery.com/Linux/XoverSSH/X-over-SSH2.html |
| 19:26.20 | codephobic | miss0r, I tried installing vnc4server and setting that up, but all I get is either grey-mesh "desktops" or a completely blank desktop. |
| 19:26.32 | dfx | cmyers: babilen is the dd commad with /dev/zero's bad fo the hdd ?? |
| 19:26.48 | dfx | its just a low level formationg ight |
| 19:26.51 | cmyers | dfx: only for the data on it =) |
| 19:26.55 | miss0r | codephobic: Let me under stand something. You want to access the desktop of a linux machine from another linux machine or from a windows machine? |
| 19:27.09 | cmyers | and yeah, it is basically a low-level format |
| 19:27.10 | codephobic | miss0r, linux to linux |
| 19:27.16 | dfx | cmyers: i tried to do it for the mbr also seen icudnt make new one |
| 19:27.22 | miss0r | codephobic: Well, then the link I gave you should be great. |
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| 19:27.32 | jhutchins_wk | ChrisH: Thanks again. |
| 19:27.32 | dioz | wow you guys are making that difficultl |
| 19:27.37 | codephobic | I can use rdp/vnc in windows, but for some reason it's more difficult getting it to work from linux to linux. |
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| 19:27.42 | dioz | doesn't debian come with a built in remote desktop application? |
| 19:27.49 | dioz | i forget the name of it i'm trying to look it up |
| 19:28.04 | miss0r | codephobic: definetly not. read the tutorial. it is _very_ simple |
| 19:28.16 | codephobic | dioz, yes and I couldn't get that to work, so I gave ssh & vnc4server a try |
| 19:28.28 | dioz | what is the name of the default one you tried? |
| 19:28.30 | miss0r | codephobic: No need to install additional stuff, as long as you have working X and ssh on both ends. |
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| 19:28.42 | dioz | vino right? |
| 19:28.48 | Nik05 | How do i start an executable in X as another user? |
| 19:28.48 | codephobic | k, I'll go have a read. |
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| 19:29.26 | miss0r | Nik05: Open a terminal, do 'su [username]' and execute. You might have to export the display |
| 19:29.30 | wsky | Nik05: gksudo/kdesudo |
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| 19:29.54 | dioz | codephobic: miss0r has given you a document assuming you are using linux/unix on both sides |
| 19:29.59 | babilen | dioz: yeah, vino is what you are thinking of |
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| 19:30.25 | miss0r | dioz: he is. |
| 19:30.29 | codephobic | dioz, yep that's the scenario: Ubuntu (client) to Debian (server) |
| 19:30.30 | Nik05 | miss0r: how do i export display? :) |
| 19:30.48 | babilen | dfx: Well, try to create filesystems on it (use parted, fdisk, ...) and show actual output. Then try to create filesystem(s) and show errors/output of that. |
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| 19:31.14 | miss0r | Nik05: after you have typed the command su [username] do export=DISPLAY='0:0' |
| 19:31.20 | miss0r | but only do this if needed |
| 19:31.27 | dioz | using ssh -X allows x-forwarding |
| 19:32.03 | jhutchins_wk | dfx: What does fdisk -l show? |
| 19:33.03 | Nik05 | miss0r: the export DISPLAY='0:0' doesnt work :p |
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| 19:33.38 | wsky | Nik05: |
| 19:33.43 | wsky | kdesudo/gksu |
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| 19:33.58 | jhutchins_wk | Nik05: What are you really trying to do? The other user doesn't have permissions to write to your display. |
| 19:34.07 | miss0r | Nik05: What do you mean 'does not work' ? also, listen to wsky, he has a moore up do date way to do stuff |
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| 19:34.23 | Nik05 | ok will try gksu |
| 19:35.01 | miss0r | jhutchins_wk: Are you quite sure ? ;) |
| 19:35.15 | ChrisH | jhutchins_wk: short back at keyboard. Next time simple create a new disk and do pvcreate, vgextend, lvexend, resize2fs |
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| 19:37.51 | codephobic | miss0r, how do I enable "X Server" to run on the remote? I think that I may not have done that. |
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| 19:38.47 | socomm | codephobic: x forwarding your talking about? |
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| 19:40.19 | codephobic | socomm, I'm not sure. I just tried to use "xinit" in my local machine and it told me "x server was not enabled" |
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| 19:43.38 | codephobic | ah, got something working now ... the source of my confusion is the fact that I expected something like "Remote Desktop", where I get my gone-desktop and it's pretty much like being at the computer itself |
| 19:44.05 | miss0r | back... indeed. that is how it works |
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| 19:44.26 | wsky | codephobic: well you would wont something like vnc or nx-nomachine in this case |
| 19:44.28 | miss0r | you basicly pipe the information the server would normally feed into its own X, to the remote computer now |
| 19:45.16 | codephobic | ah, yes I'm slowly getting what's being done. |
| 19:45.45 | codephobic | wsky, I tried vnc over remmina, unfortunately it doesn't seem to work. |
| 19:45.54 | wsky | codephobic: on other hand, ssh provides a way to run your X apps remotly, you just have to allow X forwarding in the server and connect to in with the -X flag |
| 19:46.04 | wsky | to it* |
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| 19:49.19 | brontosaurusrex | how do i figure out what config switches are supported for a certain config? sshd.conf for example |
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| 19:49.37 | surxenberg | hello |
| 19:49.46 | surxenberg | is there anythign wrong with the package oxygen-icon-theme? |
| 19:49.48 | babilen | brontosaurusrex: You read the documentation of the program in question |
| 19:50.06 | jhutchins_wk | ChrisH: So that effectively creates two partitions and presents them as a single partition to the system? |
| 19:50.12 | brontosaurusrex | babilen: there is no generic way? |
| 19:50.19 | babilen | surxenberg: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?dist=unstable;package=oxygen-icon-theme not much |
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| 19:50.36 | codephobic | wsky, I'm trying to figure out how to use this method to check the local hard disks on my debian computer. I need to set up samba shares and do a few other network chores, but I don't want to disturb mum's telly viewing (the PC's attached to the tv), hence this 'adventure'. |
| 19:50.57 | jhutchins_wk | ChrisH: Actually, if you have the right steps in the right order what I did isn't too hard. |
| 19:51.15 | surxenberg | i cannot unpack it |
| 19:51.32 | wsky | codephobic: what do you want to check in this disks? |
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| 19:51.39 | babilen | brontosaurusrex: Well, configuration files are /very/ program specific. There might be a manpage (e.g. "man 5 sshd_config" for example) but in general: You have to read the documentation of the program in question |
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| 19:51.49 | wsky | in these* |
| 19:51.50 | surxenberg | i just installed debian on my desktop (without X11, yet) and I am trying to install KDE (with all its dependencies) and one of it is oxygen-icon-theme and aptitude just hangs while unpacking it. |
| 19:51.50 | jhutchins_wk | surxenberg: What do you mean you can not unpack it? If it's a .deb you install, you don't unpack. |
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| 19:52.11 | surxenberg | oh never mind, actually. it just took it a long ass time. |
| 19:52.13 | surxenberg | it's done now. |
| 19:52.13 | babilen | surxenberg: How are you trying to unpack it and /why/ do you want to unpack "it" -- What is "it" exactly? What are you trying to achieve? |
| 19:52.15 | jhutchins_wk | surxenberg: Ah. |
| 19:52.32 | wsky | codephobic: like filesystem integrity and look for bad sectors? |
| 19:52.45 | babilen | dpkg: tell surxenberg -about smart questions |
| 19:52.47 | jhutchins_wk | surxenberg: The current release of KDE is pretty hefty. It includes a LOT of features. |
| 19:52.50 | surxenberg | babilen: it was just saying "unpacking oxygen-icon-theme" and hanging there for like 5 minutes; i was using apt-get. |
| 19:52.52 | wsky | i do not quite follow |
| 19:53.01 | codephobic | wsky, I need to get the UUIDs of the drives, the names of the folders for my music and for the isos I keep |
| 19:53.06 | surxenberg | jhutchins_wk: i haven't used linux on the desktop in about 5 years. i guess a lot of things will be new to me. |
| 19:53.16 | babilen | surxenberg: Well, it /always/ helps to ask smart questions ... |
| 19:53.26 | surxenberg | there are no smart questions. just smart people. |
| 19:53.26 | wsky | codephobic: and what is exctly the problem? |
| 19:53.41 | surxenberg | do i still need to configure X.Org by hand? |
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| 19:54.04 | jhutchins_wk | surxenberg: For most systems you just let it autoconfigure. |
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| 19:54.19 | surxenberg | jhutchins_wk: mkay |
| 19:54.36 | codephobic | wsky, that I do not know how to launch "disk utility" through ssh with x forwarding, all the "apps" are disconnected and I need to call them from the terminal to use them, whereas I'm used to working in the actual desktop |
| 19:54.43 | babilen | dpkg: tell surxenberg -about empty xorg.conf |
| 19:54.43 | jhutchins_wk | surxenberg: kde4 is a whole new DE, not a port of kde3 |
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| 19:54.49 | babilen | dpkg: tell surxenberg -about install x |
| 19:54.52 | yuastnav | Does anyone else have a problem with mplayer, that when you stop a video too often playback stops completely (kind of freezes) until you jump forward or backwards? |
| 19:55.01 | yuastnav | I noticed this on two machines (both running wheezy). |
| 19:55.08 | surxenberg | mkay |
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| 19:55.10 | wsky | codephobic: well, if you need to know just the names and uuids use bash |
| 19:55.16 | wsky | i still do not quite follow |
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| 19:55.29 | surxenberg | well, i'm pulling KDE4 as of now. we'll see if i can set it up properly, but i guess i'll do fine. |
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| 19:55.51 | surxenberg | to be honest, i missed having linux on my desktop computer. |
| 19:56.03 | jhutchins_wk | codephobic: Are you connected as root or as a regular user? |
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| 19:56.32 | codephobic | wsky, not just that but yes, I could use blkid in ssh, still that wouldn't give me the locations of the folders where the isos are etc. |
| 19:56.50 | babilen | surxenberg: Which version of Debian did you install? |
| 19:56.56 | codephobic | jhutchins_wk, as a regular user, but using "SU" when I need to. |
| 19:56.58 | surxenberg | lemme check |
| 19:57.00 | wsky | i have no bloody idea what kind of problem is this |
| 19:57.09 | wsky | i'm sorry, i have to msoke |
| 19:57.11 | codephobic | wsky, lol |
| 19:57.11 | surxenberg | according to /etc/issue it's Debian 6.0 |
| 19:57.13 | wsky | brb |
| 19:57.16 | codephobic | rofl |
| 19:57.27 | codephobic | well, atleast you're ... blunt |
| 19:57.33 | surxenberg | i don't even knwo the codename. haven't had much to do with linux for a longer time. |
| 19:58.03 | jhutchins_wk | codephobic: So as a regular user can you launch xclock and get the remote display? |
| 19:58.23 | babilen | surxenberg: pity, I would have strongly recommended to install wheezy (currently frozen testing) at this point in the release cycle (it'll be released soon (i.e. within the next couple of months) -- See "/msg dpkg install wheezy" and "/msg dpkg firmware images wheezy" for details. Also see "/msg dpkg install kde4" |
| 19:58.32 | babilen | ) |
| 19:58.37 | surxenberg | is wheezy the newer version? |
| 19:58.55 | codephobic | jhutchins_wk, yep |
| 19:59.03 | surxenberg | IIRC i could just apt-get dist-upgrade after editing /etc/apt/sources.list or something, right? |
| 19:59.08 | miss0r | codephobic: Sorry I was away. have you gotten things to work? |
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| 19:59.38 | codephobic | jhutchins_wk, I seem to have access to all the "components" that I would have within the debian desktop, I just have to know how to call them from terminal, in order to use them |
| 19:59.56 | codephobic | miss0r, no worries... I just spent a few minutes annoying (and confusing) wsky |
| 20:00.27 | miss0r | alright. Let me not disturb you then ;) |
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| 20:01.07 | surxenberg | che cazzo |
| 20:01.09 | codephobic | miss0r, oh, go ahead, disturb ... I'm having a smoke and trying to google the terminal command for "disk utility" |
| 20:01.32 | miss0r | codephobic: Disk utility? for doing what? |
| 20:01.41 | Nik05 | fdisk ? |
| 20:01.54 | Nik05 | fsck? |
| 20:01.55 | babilen | surxenberg: Well, almost: You can upgrade by following the release notes (/msg dpkg release notes wheezy) but it essentially boils down to "/msg dpkg squeeze->wheezy" -- The installer configured things a bit differently, so the result will not necessarily be the same. |
| 20:02.09 | codephobic | miss0r, I want to get the names, uuids and browse the disks on my debian machine |
| 20:02.13 | surxenberg | mkay |
| 20:02.20 | miss0r | fdisk -l ? |
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| 20:02.48 | surxenberg | babilen: thx |
| 20:02.54 | codephobic | miss0r, no within gnome there's an application called "disk utility" |
| 20:02.55 | Nik05 | blkid for UUID, fdisk for partitions |
| 20:03.07 | codephobic | lists the volumes, the free space and lets you add/remove partitions |
| 20:03.10 | debian_user | apt-get command not found. |
| 20:03.17 | debian_user | how to install it? |
| 20:03.18 | codephobic | and mount/umount drives |
| 20:03.22 | surxenberg | i guess i'll upgrade right away after KDE has been installed. would have been a better idea to do that BEFORE KDE was installed, but whatever. |
| 20:03.28 | Nik05 | debian_user: apt-get install apt-get lol |
| 20:03.36 | surxenberg | Nik05: huehuehue |
| 20:03.36 | babilen | surxenberg: yeah, well ... *sigh* |
| 20:03.39 | surxenberg | debian_user: u must be root for that. |
| 20:03.41 | miss0r | codephobic: I wonder, why are you not just using ssh? terminal based usage will do very well. |
| 20:04.08 | surxenberg | babilen: don't worry, i'll be alright. my debian is just a little rusty. |
| 20:04.23 | Nik05 | surxenberg: you can execute apt-get as non-root |
| 20:04.26 | codephobic | miss0r, as I said before, I'm not familiar with ssh and initially I thought remote desktop would be simple... been disabused of that assumption. |
| 20:04.35 | surxenberg | Nik05: orly? didn't know that. |
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| 20:04.47 | babilen | debian_user: What does "ls -l /usr/bin/apt-get" give you? What about "/usr/bin/apt-get --help" or "echo $PATH" or "cat /etc/debian_version" and "apt-cache policy" ? Could you paste the output of those commands to http://paste.debian.net please? |
| 20:04.53 | debian_user | surxenberg, i was logged in as root |
| 20:05.04 | surxenberg | debian_user: don't listen to me. i know nothing. |
| 20:05.51 | babilen | surxenberg: Didn't mean to imply anything else -- It is just, well, a bit of wasted time, effort and bandwidth. |
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| 20:06.09 | miss0r | codephobic: the remote desktop is good for creating an overview, for example virtual machines and stuff like that. I would reccomend you dive into terminal based usage. pm me, and we can take it step by step for what you need for now. |
| 20:06.18 | samgraf | codephobic: The Debian machine is running GNOME as well, but you couldn't get Remote Desktop to work? |
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| 20:06.42 | surxenberg | babilen: accidents happen. i am sure the world and the internet can continue their lives even if i have to unncessarily upgrade my installation. |
| 20:06.56 | codephobic | samgraf, yep for some reason it RDP failed to connect and vnc came up with a blank screen |
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| 20:07.39 | codephobic | miss0r, thanks I'll close everything down and start again so that I don't have stuff running that might be messing up... |
| 20:07.42 | babilen | surxenberg: no, we are doomed now ... ;) |
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| 20:07.51 | surxenberg | crap. |
| 20:07.54 | babilen | indeed |
| 20:08.04 | surxenberg | i am sorry then. |
| 20:08.16 | samgraf | codephobic: Strange. I just gave it a whirl (Debian to Debian, where Remote Desktop Viewer is installed). |
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| 20:09.02 | codephobic | samgraf, I've used remote desktop before, without a hitch, between ubuntu - ubuntu, but for some reason ubuntu - debian isn't working for me now. |
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| 20:10.04 | codephobic | miss0r, if I ssh in as a regular user, then SU, how would I close down all the x forwarding sessions that I've opened so far? |
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| 20:13.33 | jhutchins_wk | codephobic: There are a number of different vnc servers and they may use different protocols. |
| 20:14.12 | jhutchins_wk | codephobic: Be sure your server and client are compatible, and that the server defaults to allowing you to start a new session (x11vnc only shares an existing one iirc). |
| 20:14.52 | streulma | on my nas I run Debian 6 :) |
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| 20:16.31 | jhutchins_wk | streulma: ok. |
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| 20:17.40 | samgraf | jhutchins_wk: The stock Debian tools should work seemlessly though, right? Remote Desktop to Remmina or to Remote Desktop Viewer? Ubuntu and Debian shouldnÂ’t be using different VNC protocols |
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| 20:18.16 | debian_user | how to install apt-get package? |
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| 20:18.40 | wsky | debian_user: download it and all of needed dependencies and install with dpkg |
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| 20:18.59 | jordanm | debhelper, apt-get [options] install|remove pkg1 [pkg2 ...] |
| 20:19.39 | wsky | hmm dunno i've thought that he wants to install the apt package |
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| 20:20.54 | dizzylizzy | is there a way to downgrade from backports? |
| 20:21.20 | dizzylizzy | let's say I have libcairo2 installed from a backports repo for squeeze |
| 20:21.30 | dizzylizzy | I obviously can't remove libcairo2 |
| 20:21.36 | tremon | apt-get install libcairo2/stable |
| 20:21.36 | Sm0ke0ut | dizzylizzy: I'm afraid only by removing/reinstalling the package |
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| 20:22.26 | dizzylizzy | aw geez, thanks |
| 20:22.34 | dizzylizzy | I can't believe I didn't know about that syntax tremon |
| 20:22.55 | tremon | there's also pkg=specific_version :) |
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| 20:23.35 | tremon | you need to be explicit about dependencies if they are to be downgraded too |
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| 20:24.22 | dizzylizzy | Thanks tremon |
| 20:24.25 | dizzylizzy | i only knew about -t |
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| 20:26.59 | surxenberg | how do i replace every abc with xyz in vi?` |
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| 20:27.40 | wsky | surxenberg: http://vim.wikia.com/wiki/Search_and_replace |
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| 20:28.06 | surxenberg | can't open the link, i'm restricted to shell (and i don't even have links installed) |
| 20:28.13 | surxenberg | never mind, i'll figure it out somehow |
| 20:28.44 | Tramp | :1,$ s/abc/xyz/<RETURN> - iirc |
| 20:28.45 | debian_user | what is telnet port on debian machine? |
| 20:29.20 | EagleRock | surxenberg: %s/abc/xyz/g |
| 20:30.03 | rwp | debian_user, Same as on any other machine. It is a standardized well known port. See /etc/services for the mapping. |
| 20:30.51 | ksuhku | debian_user, and surely you know username and password will be in cleartext in telnet |
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| 20:37.22 | jhutchins_wk | surxenberg: :g/abc/s//xyz/g |
| 20:37.38 | jhutchins_wk | vi usually has pretty good help. |
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| 20:38.13 | jhutchins_wk | debian_user: grep telnet /etc/services |
| 20:39.14 | abrotman | way to join the party :) |
| 20:40.01 | jhutchins_wk | lag - between screen and chair. |
| 20:40.13 | EagleRock | heh |
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| 20:41.09 | jhutchins_wk | iirc debian doesn't enable telnet by default. |
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| 20:42.04 | GranoSalis | Just a question,does someone use a tiling wm? |
| 20:42.19 | daimrod | GranoSalis: yes. |
| 20:42.26 | GranoSalis | daimrod: which one? |
| 20:42.39 | daimrod | GranoSalis: StumpWM |
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| 20:43.25 | Aut0Exec | hi guys |
| 20:43.44 | Nik05 | hi |
| 20:43.48 | Aut0Exec | my 'date' is showing the correct date but in my logs its showing a wrong date... why? |
| 20:43.51 | GranoSalis | im currently using Awsome would you recommend switching? |
| 20:44.03 | GranoSalis | Awesome is a little bit buggy |
| 20:44.16 | Nik05 | Aut0Exec: what kind of logs? |
| 20:44.25 | jhutchins_wk | Aut0Exec: Some daemons use UTC. |
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| 20:44.36 | dondelelcaro | GranoSalis: I personally use awesome; what's the problem? Have you tried asking in #awesome? |
| 20:44.46 | jhutchins_wk | Aut0Exec: Some use the hwclock time, which may or may not be set to UTC. |
| 20:45.13 | daimrod | GranoSalis: no, unless you already know Common Lisp or would like to learn it. |
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| 20:45.41 | GranoSalis | dondelelcaro: Awesome is realy awesome but my screen sometimes starts to flash when using it |
| 20:45.57 | GranoSalis | the borders of an open window* |
| 20:46.10 | Aut0Exec | jhutchins_wk: how can i fix? |
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| 20:46.28 | Aut0Exec | jhutchins_wk: its from ssh |
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| 20:46.53 | ompaul | Aut0Exec: is it on your local machine or the machine you ssh to? |
| 20:47.06 | dondelelcaro | GranoSalis: the borders of an open window are how awesome shows which window is focused; you can disable that if you want, though |
| 20:47.17 | GranoSalis | i know |
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| 20:47.32 | Aut0Exec | ompaul: machine i'm sshing into |
| 20:47.45 | ompaul | Aut0Exec: is it on your network? |
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| 20:48.11 | GranoSalis | ut sometimes it just starts to randomply flash |
| 20:48.17 | GranoSalis | but* |
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| 20:48.32 | ompaul | Aut0Exec: a simple yes or no would suffice |
| 20:49.16 | Aut0Exec | yes |
| 20:49.19 | Aut0Exec | this is a vps |
| 20:49.26 | Aut0Exec | not network sorry |
| 20:49.59 | ompaul | Aut0Exec: so basically you have a vps where the time is off, you may have to ask your vps provider about that, in some cases vps's can't sync |
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| 20:50.09 | Aut0Exec | ahh ok |
| 20:50.20 | Aut0Exec | ompaul: thanks for that.. makes sense |
| 20:50.50 | Aut0Exec | oh crap your right.. hwclock reveals to me the time being recorded |
| 20:51.03 | Aut0Exec | thanks again |
| 20:51.10 | ompaul | hands it back to your telephone ;-) |
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| 20:53.30 | Delf | After mounting a share on an nfs server and the server goes down. How do I unmount it? umount -f /mount/point is taking ages! |
| 20:53.53 | Delf | I've tried the -l too. |
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| 20:56.37 | uberushaximus | What should I be using to calibrate a touchscreen on squeeze? |
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| 20:58.55 | markovh | if i run /etc/init.d/networking, should it not kill off dhclient that was run from a previous iface ethx inet dhcp? |
| 20:59.07 | markovh | if that has now changed to iface ethx inet static |
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| 21:01.45 | alexbligh1 | does debian encourage or discourage debian packaging to be taken upstream? Package in question is only ever available in the 'last released version' as a .deb and changes substantially between versions. |
| 21:01.47 | markovh | uberushaximus: doesn't look like there's very good support but try this http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=59138 |
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| 21:02.02 | markovh | http://wiki.debian.org/TabletAndTouchScreen |
| 21:02.22 | uberushaximus | markovh: would I be better off on testing? |
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| 21:02.31 | markovh | wheezy? |
| 21:03.00 | tremon | markovh: the networking init script doesn't carry state information. If you modify it, it can't tell |
| 21:03.07 | uberushaximus | markovh: yes |
| 21:03.32 | markovh | uberushaximus: i've no idea what you mean tbh. was that referenced in a page i linked? |
| 21:03.42 | markovh | even ubuntu use this script except they package it as a ppa |
| 21:03.45 | markovh | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touchscreen |
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| 21:03.57 | tremon | markovh: the preferred way to do what you did is to first ifdown, then modify interfaces, then ifup |
| 21:04.00 | uberushaximus | thanks |
| 21:04.10 | uberushaximus | I'm attempting to build it now |
| 21:04.50 | markovh | tremon: well that seems rather silly... i'd imagine the networking init script should ifdown first |
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| 21:06.40 | markovh | actually it looks like it does do it |
| 21:06.42 | tremon | markovh: of course it does. But how is it to know what to do on infdown if you modified the interfaces file before? |
| 21:06.43 | Derpadong | Is there anyone in here who is good with bash scripting and common terminal commands like cd, rm, and mkdir? Im trying to make a script to do everything for me |
| 21:06.48 | markovh | ifdown -a --exclude=lo |
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| 21:07.46 | tremon | markovh: to clarify, the issue isn't that it is or is not calling ifdown, it's that it's calling ifdown /after/ you have already modified the configuration |
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| 21:08.16 | jhutchins_wk | Derpadong: Basically you just enter the commands in a text file, put #!/bin/bash on the first line, and make it executable. |
| 21:08.25 | markovh | i see... where is the link to the dhclient stored then when you configure dhcp on the interfaces? |
| 21:08.29 | markovh | that ifdown would kill |
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| 21:08.53 | Derpadong | jhutchins_wk: So would it work that way? |
| 21:08.59 | Derpadong | I have a pastebin of it |
| 21:09.14 | tremon | I'd expect it /var/run/dhcp or the like. Won't dhclient -r ${if} work? |
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| 21:10.17 | tremon | you probably want -x, not sure if dhclient deconfigures the interface otherwise |
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| 21:10.49 | markovh | tremon: sure, with respect, if i wanted to do it myself. but that's what the os is for. to automate it simply. otherwise i wouldn't have an interfaces script i'd have a shell script and do everything manually |
| 21:12.14 | jhutchins_wk | Derpadong: some tutorials: http://www.linuxcommand.org/ https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BasicCommands http://www.macdevcenter.com/pub/a/mac/2005/05/20/terminal1.html http://www.ischool.berkeley.edu/~kevin/unix-tutorial/toc.html |
| 21:12.37 | markovh | if /etc/network/interfaces is unmodified though, would ifdown not link it somehow to the dhclient program so that it could kill it? |
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| 21:13.30 | markovh | actually, i think i have it. does it parse for which interfaces are using dhcp and kill /var/run/dhclient.ethx.pid? |
| 21:13.54 | tremon | possibly |
| 21:13.59 | Derpadong | jhutchins_wk: I know the commands |
| 21:14.18 | Derpadong | I have the script setup. I just need helping getting it to work properly |
| 21:14.41 | tremon | but if you want the OS to do it for you, you need to restore the previous version of /e/n/interfaces, issue ifdown, put the new version in place, then issue ifup |
| 21:14.47 | markovh | question: say you killed the program yourself, the pid would be left there right? could something just take the pid, try and kill whatever process NOW has that pid or is there some check for it to be the right process |
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| 21:15.14 | markovh | because if there's a check, the interfaces file should be definitive, therefore killing all dhclient processes from the pids of everything that doesn't have dhcp wouldn't be a bad idea |
| 21:15.44 | well_laid_lawn | old pids don't get used again afaik |
| 21:15.46 | tremon | unless there's a reason the admin issued a manual dhcp client |
| 21:15.53 | jordanm | well_laid_lawn, yes they do |
| 21:16.18 | jordanm | but not until pids have been exhausted sequentially, then it starts over |
| 21:16.21 | markovh | tremon: if they did, it wouldn't write a pid |
| 21:16.21 | well_laid_lawn | they always incremment up here |
| 21:16.32 | e-anima | hm i just downloaded the latest version of graphviz did a ./configure make make install and it seems its upgraded. what would be the difference to a package? |
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| 21:16.42 | jordanm | well_laid_lawn, yes, but it starts over when it runs out of pids |
| 21:16.42 | well_laid_lawn | there you go - it takes a while to loop around and use them again |
| 21:16.53 | tremon | markovh: start-stop-daemon does what you describe iirc, it checks whether procname matches the pid to be killed |
| 21:17.14 | jordanm | most processes are also *very* show lived, so the likelihood of an a new process using the same pid is not good |
| 21:17.19 | tremon | but in general the os doesn't try to hold your hand like that |
| 21:17.37 | jordanm | but it's a shortcoming in SysV init style services. it's not guaranteed |
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| 21:18.20 | uberushaximus | once I invert my values for my touchscreen the calibration that it gives me back is rubbish |
| 21:18.41 | jhutchins_wk | Derpadong: Are you getting errors? |
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| 21:19.18 | Derpadong | Somewhat |
| 21:19.19 | Derpadong | lol |
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| 21:21.35 | emss | e-anima: you just installed a bunch of files anywhere possibly overwriting old files and now your package database is no longer in sync |
| 21:24.02 | e-anima | hmm |
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| 21:24.19 | e-anima | hehe :D |
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| 21:24.58 | markovh | tremon: it's going to take some more digging but here's what i found in the source to ifupdown http://pastebin.com/78NAjUcK |
| 21:25.10 | markovh | it SHOULD just release and kill every dhclient for every interface that's brought doown |
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| 21:26.38 | markovh | not the kill part, the -r part which according to the man page, releases and kills dhclient |
| 21:26.45 | emss | e-anima: you may now have trouble using package system |
| 21:27.01 | e-anima | hm can this be cleaned up somehow? |
| 21:27.16 | markovh | oh... wait |
| 21:27.17 | jhutchins_wk | e-anima: That's one of the problems. |
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| 21:27.57 | emss | e-anima: if you know what and where the files were installed ... yes but it will be manual |
| 21:28.04 | jhutchins_wk | e-anima: If there's an uninstall target in the makefile, that can be used. If you recorded all of the commands that were executed to a file, that can be used to back them out, or you can read the makefile and try to figure it out. |
| 21:28.05 | emss | using the packaging system it's all automatic |
| 21:28.39 | jhutchins_wk | e-anima: The problem is the package manager probably still thinks the old versions are installed, and there may be conflicts or errors if it tries to upgrade it. |
| 21:28.47 | e-anima | my initial plan was to make a deb package but well that seems to be impossible without a lot of intrnel knowledge |
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| 21:29.04 | jhutchins_wk | e-anima: At best it will overwrite the files from your new install, at worst it will jumble them. |
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| 21:29.29 | jhutchins_wk | e-anima: That's the way to not break the system, and it's not too hard with the deb-build utilities. |
| 21:29.34 | emss | e-anima: you should install to /usr/local or some other place your own programs that you install |
| 21:29.57 | emss | possibly your $HOME and just add the probably paths to your $PATH |
| 21:30.06 | emss | probably/proper |
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| 21:31.04 | e-anima | well the source has a /debian folder as i see |
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| 21:31.50 | debian_user | do we need to have rsync on both local and remote system to be installed in order to rsync files between them? |
| 21:32.09 | e-anima | maybe it used it. well is see this is too much for me. i think as i depende sometimes on newer packages i should install a second server in my vm with an ubuntu as i have no time doing my own packages |
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| 21:32.15 | e-anima | thx for helping |
| 21:32.45 | emss | e-anima: you can also use apt pinning |
| 21:33.01 | emss | and pull packages from testing/unstable |
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| 21:33.16 | tgunr | finally! whew, have debian running but I don't see anything in the menus for enabling sshd which seems to be off |
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| 21:33.35 | e-anima | hehe if there is a dev package. |
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| 21:34.11 | tgunr | debian_user: I don't think so, i use ssh all the time instead of the rsync daemon |
| 21:34.34 | tgunr | which is why i asked how to get sshd running :) |
| 21:34.36 | shakaponk | hello guyz, i've installed an amd ati graphics driver, and then the reboot ended in a totally black screen. how could i uninstall the driver? |
| 21:35.38 | emss | shakaponk: how did you install it? |
| 21:35.48 | e-anima | shakaponk can you access a terminal with strg+alt+1 |
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| 21:36.04 | ux | How can i change the pulseaudio profile per shell? |
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| 21:36.31 | shakaponk | e-anima: i'm on terminal (fail-save) |
| 21:36.37 | tremon | debian_user: depends on how you access the remote machine. If you connect through ssh, you need the remote rsync client; if you connect through rsyncd, you need the remote rsync server (same executable, different config). If you use nfs/samba/$networkfs to access the remote server, you only need the local client |
| 21:37.00 | tremon | tgunr: install ssh (or openssh-server) |
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| 21:37.35 | tgunr | I just figured out, you can't do anything unless your root |
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| 21:38.38 | tremon | shakaponk: assuming you installed fglrx, you can blacklist the module in /etc/modprobe.d (there's probably some syntax example), and move /etc/X11/xorg.conf out of the way |
| 21:39.01 | tremon | if there's no config, X will not try to load proprietary drivers |
| 21:39.12 | shakaponk | tremon: yes |
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| 21:39.47 | Mmike | Should service's init script remove pid file when it stops that particular service? |
| 21:39.50 | shakaponk | tremon: last time i took a look there were no xorg.conf |
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| 21:40.17 | tremon | then it can't be using the fglrx X driver :) |
| 21:40.22 | jhutchins_wk | tgunr: Um, you can do most things, including rsync, as a regular user. |
| 21:40.22 | emss | ux: `man bash' and look at the section "INVOCATION" |
| 21:40.42 | jhutchins_wk | Mmike: Yep. |
| 21:40.50 | tgunr | i wasn't referring to rsync, i tried apt-get as user and nada |
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| 21:41.11 | jhutchins_wk | tgunr: Ah, quite right. |
| 21:41.18 | shakaponk | tremon: ok then it might be there after installation, so would it be enough to remove the xorg.conf? |
| 21:41.23 | jhutchins_wk | tgunr: Making changes to the system usually requires root. |
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| 21:41.38 | tgunr | wasn't expecting that, thought debian had a different package manager or something |
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| 21:41.54 | tgunr | then tried ifconfig, nada |
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| 21:42.04 | tremon | shakaponk: I'm not sure, I don't know if you will get a normal X startup if the fglrx driver is loaded at boot (never used it) |
| 21:42.12 | tgunr | so basically I will always be root |
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| 21:42.48 | shakaponk | tremon: thx, i'll try it |
| 21:43.08 | Mmike | jhutchins_wk, thnx |
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| 21:43.32 | emss | tgunr: you could use `sudo' |
| 21:43.35 | jhutchins_wk | Mmike: Do you have one that's not behaving properly? |
| 21:43.42 | Mmike | jhutchins_wk, yes, for mongodb |
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| 21:43.50 | Mmike | but it's not from debian repos, but from 10gen |
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| 21:44.08 | Mmike | it's having issues with numactl, I've fixed that, and just realized .pid is left in /var/run after mongodb is stopped |
| 21:44.22 | tgunr | I "could" but spend most of my time in linux as root |
| 21:44.24 | jhutchins_wk | Mmike: That could be awkward. You get to read initscripts! |
| 21:44.34 | Mmike | jhutchins_wk, so, init.d script should take care of that, not start-stop-deamon, right? |
| 21:44.53 | jhutchins_wk | Mmike: Right, it should keep track of where it puts the lock file and clear it on stop. |
| 21:45.25 | Mmike | jhutchins_wk, very good, thnx. I'll recommend a patch |
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| 21:47.37 | jhutchins_wk | Mmike: You could look at the init script from Debian and see how it handles it. |
| 21:47.58 | Mmike | jhutchins_wk, a bit ashamed now : ) did't think of that :) tywm! :) |
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| 21:51.52 | shakaponk | tremon: thx, i can boot again to kde, but now my question. how would i uninstall this driver? |
| 21:52.10 | tremon | depends on how you installed it |
| 21:52.56 | tremon | if you used the debian packages, you can just purge them. If you used a manual installation, then you should look to manual uninstall option |
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| 21:54.56 | Mmike | jhutchins_wk, debian init script fails there too - .pid file remains after service is stopped |
| 21:55.35 | emss | ux: i don't know pulseaudio but maybe it has a per-user configuration? so the bash idea might not be the best one ... |
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| 21:58.27 | ux | emss: and maybe only the output device? I need 6 steps by hand thats to much... |
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| 22:04.03 | debian_user | why vi is not working in debian? |
| 22:04.20 | dondelelcaro | debian_user: you don't have it installed? how is it not working? |
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| 22:04.35 | debian_user | it is installed but cannot insert |
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| 22:05.12 | debian_user | when i press insert key, nothing gets inserted. |
| 22:05.24 | debian_user | i mean typing letters |
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| 22:05.30 | emss | press i |
| 22:05.34 | zykotick9 | debian_user: does "insert key" mean "i" ? |
| 22:05.37 | debian_user | okie |
| 22:05.49 | vmiimu | If I install Debian without a gui - how can I change my terminal fonts? |
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| 22:06.45 | zykotick9 | vmiimu: "dpkg-reconfigure console-setup" |
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| 22:07.00 | zykotick9 | vmiimu: or do you mean xterminals? |
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| 22:07.30 | vmiimu | I'm not sure since I didnt' install the gui -- it's not x at that point right? what would that be called? |
| 22:07.35 | vmiimu | Just sheel? |
| 22:07.40 | vmiimu | shell*? |
| 22:07.43 | debian_user | zykotick9, insert key is not working for vi filename |
| 22:08.09 | zykotick9 | vmiimu: why are you tring to use the "insert key"? that's not really a vi key. |
| 22:08.42 | vmiimu | i didnt say that that was debian_user |
| 22:08.47 | zykotick9 | debian_user: sorry, see above. i'd recommend you install "vim" instead of trying to use vim-tiny (which is more like vi) |
| 22:09.03 | zykotick9 | vmiimu: sorry, total tab fail on my part. |
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| 22:09.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | understandable... he nearly got "vim" in the nick |
| 22:09.35 | vmiimu | no worries =) keep rockin the support! |
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| 22:11.46 | emss | debian_user: you might want to try `nano' which should already be installed |
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| 22:14.29 | emss | debian_user: press i to insert in vi |
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| 22:15.28 | debian_user | thanks emss |
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| 22:16.42 | jhutchins_wk | vmiimu: You're looking for setfont/showconsolefont |
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| 22:17.09 | vmiimu | sweet thanks also just found this: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/debian-26/text-only-system-how-to-change-console-font-770688/ |
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| 22:36.18 | rryoumaa | the existing console font is wonderful. it is large. |
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| 22:37.17 | vmiimu | right now i'm just geekin out on what i can do in text only mode like this: http://kmandla.wordpress.com/2010/05/28/fbterm-birth-of-the-cool-for-the-console/ |
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| 22:37.57 | vmiimu | I also really like Consolas for the terminal |
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| 22:39.00 | rryoumaa | i have heard good things about consolas iirc |
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| 22:40.05 | shakaponk | i just connected a second display to my debian wheezy with kde, but it does not recognize it. do i miss something? |
| 22:41.21 | jhutchins_wk | shakaponk: Use xrandr to configure it. |
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| 22:42.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | ... or one of its frontends |
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| 22:43.31 | shakaponk | jhutchins_wk: thx for the hint, i'll check it out |
| 22:43.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | like gnome-display-properties in gnome, which they call "monitor preferences" |
| 22:43.53 | wsky | kde has it's own xrandr frontend |
| 22:44.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | everything and its code-uncle seems to have its own xrandr frontend |
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| 22:44.47 | wsky | but yeah if that fails it would be good to check out xrandr itself |
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| 22:46.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | shakaponk, I suggest using one of the frontends if you don't need any unusual features of xrandr (which a 2nd monitor is not)... usually a lot quicker to figure out |
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| 22:46.21 | anew | what would you guys recomend for a persistant remote desktop connection? |
| 22:46.45 | wsky | a cable |
| 22:46.52 | anew | lol |
| 22:46.57 | shakaponk | CutMeOwnThroat: ok, thx for the input, and can you name one? :-) |
| 22:47.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | shakaponk, I did! |
| 22:47.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | shakaponk, see a bit further above |
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| 22:48.58 | shakaponk | CutMeOwnThroat: ah now i see, but i'm with kde and the monitor configuration just ignores my settings. i must say, my previous debian installation worked fine with the second monitor |
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| 22:50.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | shakaponk, there's also grandr ... but yeah, if your frontend has problems, probably time to figure out with xrandr itself what is wrong... doesn't need another layer on top to obscure things |
| 22:50.27 | shakaponk | wsky: yeah, monitor settings ignore my adjustments |
| 22:50.50 | shakaponk | CutMeOwnThroat: wsky , thx i'll try it |
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| 22:50.55 | abrotman | or monitor isn't capable |
| 22:51.27 | shakaponk | abrotman, what does it mean? it worked fine in ubuntu and the previous debian installation |
| 22:51.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | and doesn't send its size etc? |
| 22:51.35 | shakaponk | so i guess it should be |
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| 22:52.03 | shakaponk | the very first attempt to configure it did, but then no more |
| 22:52.34 | abrotman | or the driver isn't correclty loading |
| 22:52.35 | shakaponk | it just randomly position the monitor, and if i change some settings and do apply it just reverts the settings |
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| 22:53.15 | shakaponk | abrotman: just installed the official amd ati driver but it was corrupted so i had to remove it |
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| 22:54.20 | abrotman | installed how? |
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| 23:31.37 | shakaponk | something strange is going on, cant get second display to work. even with xrandr. i can't reposition it and if i do some changes to HDMI-0 the LVDS gets changed |
| 23:31.47 | shakaponk | and then they are overlayed again |
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| 23:33.04 | wsky | shakaponk: what is your video driver? |
| 23:33.06 | wsky | called |
| 23:33.29 | anew | anyway to have a persistent remote desktop connection? |
| 23:33.31 | anew | or am i dreaming |
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| 23:33.45 | shakaponk | wsky, how can i get it? lsmod? |
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| 23:34.07 | wsky | shakaponk: well in example |
| 23:34.16 | abrotman | shakaponk: lspci -nn |
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| 23:35.15 | wsky | shakaponk: anew idk, have a look at nx-nomachine |
| 23:35.18 | wsky | whoops |
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| 23:35.24 | wsky | anew: idk, have a look at nx-nomachine |
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| 23:35.34 | shakaponk | wsky, abrotman : VGA compatible controller: AMD nee ATI RS880 |
| 23:35.41 | anew | thx wksy |
| 23:35.47 | anew | wsky |
| 23:35.48 | wsky | yeah but is it fglrx or some open driver |
| 23:36.07 | shakaponk | Radeon HD 4200 series |
| 23:36.08 | wsky | shakaponk: ^ |
| 23:36.23 | wsky | ok but i'm asking about the driver |
| 23:36.28 | shakaponk | wsky: uninstalled fglrx |
| 23:36.39 | wsky | i supose you have an open one since you don't know hwat do you have there |
| 23:36.41 | shakaponk | tried it before, got a black screen |
| 23:36.54 | wsky | gosh |
| 23:37.29 | wsky | shakaponk: did you try configuring your xorg.conf with catalyst tools? |
| 23:37.42 | shakaponk | wsky: i went to amd homepage, downloaded the driver for my card, installed...black screen |
| 23:37.59 | shakaponk | wsky: catalyst tools? i guess i havent installed them |
| 23:38.04 | shakaponk | just got it on windows |
| 23:38.08 | wsky | you should rather use debian packages for that |
| 23:38.18 | wsky | from the non-free repo |
| 23:38.19 | abrotman | shakaponk: isn't that pretty old? |
| 23:38.41 | abrotman | like four yers old? |
| 23:38.47 | abrotman | nah, not that old .. 2? |
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| 23:39.10 | shakaponk | wsky: i guess it does automatically? |
| 23:39.18 | wsky | no it does not |
| 23:39.26 | shakaponk | abrotman: what is pretty old? |
| 23:39.32 | wsky | at least it didn't when i had an ati gpu |
| 23:39.42 | abrotman | shakaponk: your card |
| 23:39.49 | wsky | i supose amd didn't go that insane since that time |
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| 23:40.05 | shakaponk | abrotman: 2 years |
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| 23:41.15 | abrotman | shakaponk: and where did you get the fglrx driver you're using? |
| 23:41.25 | shakaponk | wsky: just had a look, the xserver-xorg-video-radeon is installed |
| 23:41.37 | wsky | shakaponk: http://wiki.debian.org/ATIProprietar |
| 23:41.38 | shakaponk | abrotman: from the amd website |
| 23:41.42 | abrotman | shakaponk: that's a poor idea |
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| 23:41.58 | shakaponk | wsky: i'm there right now |
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| 23:42.10 | wsky | shakaponk: http://wiki.debian.org/ATIProprietary |
| 23:42.12 | shakaponk | and this free driver is installed right now, i think i'm using it |
| 23:42.21 | wsky | i've cut "y" at the end, sry. |
| 23:42.34 | shakaponk | abrotman: yeah that was the experience |
| 23:42.35 | wsky | eh |
| 23:42.47 | abrotman | shakaponk: well, who told oyu to do that? |
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| 23:43.41 | shakaponk | abrotman: i'm quite unexperienced in this stuff, so i thought the manufacturer may have the right driver |
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| 23:44.28 | obiwahn | hi i have a new ssd disk and gparted tells me that it might contain a gpt (guided partition table) - and asks me to confirm if it is a gpt |
| 23:44.53 | obiwahn | guid |
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| 23:45.18 | shakaponk | wsky: abrotman : paste.debian.net/238736/ |
| 23:45.22 | obiwahn | should i use a gpt? or should is stick to a dos partition table? |
| 23:45.43 | Towzzer | gpt is only useful for 2tb+ |
| 23:45.54 | obiwahn | so not for my 256gb ssd |
| 23:45.56 | obiwahn | ok:) |
| 23:45.58 | Towzzer | doesn't matter |
| 23:46.05 | Towzzer | just make sure you use ext4 with the nodiscard option |
| 23:46.13 | Towzzer | for trim support |
| 23:46.26 | obiwahn | how do i enable that? |
| 23:46.33 | shakaponk | wsky: abrotman : http://paste.debian.net/238736/ |
| 23:46.34 | wsky | shakaponk: i'd advice you to install fglrx-glx from your debian repository and follow that howto |
| 23:46.42 | abrotman | shakaponk: i saw the first time |
| 23:46.48 | obiwahn | Towzzer: is it a bount option or a creationtime flag? |
| 23:46.56 | shakaponk | ah, sorry |
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| 23:47.10 | abrotman | i don't think that the fglrx still supports that ? |
| 23:47.13 | wsky | shakaponk: but this is me and i prfer propetiary video drivers for nvidia and amd cards on my linuxes |
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| 23:47.38 | Towzzer | it's a mount option |
| 23:48.03 | wsky | shakaponk: there is a chance that you'll get thsi working this way |
| 23:48.10 | shakaponk | abrotman: you're right its not supported anymore |
| 23:48.26 | abrotman | shakaponk: so you installed a driver that you knew didn't support it ? |
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| 23:48.41 | obiwahn | so i should use msdos |
| 23:49.16 | shakaponk | abrotman: now i got a message |
| 23:49.34 | addaitech | abrotman: debian needs to pay you |
| 23:49.43 | addaitech | your always helping someone |
| 23:49.53 | shakaponk | wsky: its does not support my card |
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| 23:50.33 | abrotman | addaitech: they'd have to pay lots of people then .. |
| 23:50.50 | addaitech | haha, just saying everytime i look at irc i see you helping someone |
| 23:50.56 | wsky | and yeah, there is no fglrx-legacy-driver in sid |
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| 23:52.15 | wsky | shakaponk: then yeah you have to use the free one |
| 23:52.21 | abyxcos | So, I need some help. I have a "base" system, and I need to bring networking up on it. |
| 23:52.27 | abyxcos | http://wiki.debian.org/Debootstrap |
| 23:52.36 | abyxcos | For whatever definition of "base" system they have. |
| 23:52.51 | wsky | abyxcos: wifi or ethernet? |
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| 23:52.54 | shakaponk | wsky: it worked fine and it worked fine also in ubuntu, is there a possibility to reset something? that sounds stupid |
| 23:52.56 | abyxcos | wsky: ethernet. |
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| 23:53.05 | abyxcos | wsky: Also, I'm short a kernel. |
| 23:53.46 | abyxcos | wsky: However, the system boots fine off my gentoo kernel/initrd. |
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| 23:54.11 | wsky | abyxcos: well then man interfaces should suit you |
| 23:54.52 | wsky | abyxcos: and about the kernel, what is your cpu? |
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| 23:55.51 | wsky | anyays, you should have no problems in choosing the right linux-image |
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| 23:58.37 | wsky | shakaponk: i supose that you're screwed with your amd gpu |
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| 23:59.11 | shakaponk | wsky: strange. ok thx for your input, i'll keep searchin |
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| 23:59.32 | abrotman | can't be screwed .. it's supported somewhere |