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| 00:00.19 | phix | ScabbyMadman: only do so if you dont need to access more than 4gb ram |
| 00:00.30 | ScabbyMadman | phix because I have issues -- my printer isnt supported in 64 bit |
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| 00:00.52 | wsky | phix: i belive 32bit linux with pae can support up to 128GB |
| 00:00.53 | phix | ScabbyMadman: what printer? |
| 00:01.03 | ScabbyMadman | phix so the big-mem kernel dosnt see more than 4g? |
| 00:01.11 | ScabbyMadman | its a samsung job |
| 00:01.13 | wsky | however 2GB per process |
| 00:01.42 | phix | yeah probably |
| 00:02.02 | phix | i havent used that feature before |
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| 00:02.46 | ScabbyMadman | phix well maybe I wont bother rolling back just stick the printer somewhere else on my localnet and live with that |
| 00:03.29 | ScabbyMadman | freenode |
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| 00:04.46 | vale__ | Can anyone help me, sound only works on random things.. Like I can play a flashgame and hear sound, but not sound from a youtube video.. Idk what to do. |
| 00:04.53 | LV-426 | any way to make the interfaces file more concise? is CIDR notation (for netmask omission) supported? include-like syntax for v6 interfaces? |
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| 00:06.45 | wsky | vale__: what are your browser and flash versions? |
| 00:07.09 | frikinz | LV-426: man interfaces |
| 00:07.16 | vale__ | Firefox(Iceweasel) and I'm not sure tbh on flash version |
| 00:07.59 | abrotman | LV-426: how is CIDR notation that much shorter? |
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| 00:09.16 | LV-426 | abrotman, 1 line per interface... /me looks up #159884 |
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| 00:09.42 | wsky | vale__: well, type about:plugins in your browser address bar |
| 00:11.18 | abrotman | LV-426: oh, you want the address to be like "address 8.8.8.8/24" ? |
| 00:11.57 | LV-426 | yeah |
| 00:12.34 | abrotman | LV-426: i don't believe it supports that, but you really only need three usually per interface (could be two depending on your setup) |
| 00:13.05 | abrotman | three lines |
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| 00:14.58 | asatru | Hello, Can anyone answer a question? |
| 00:15.58 | asatru | So is sid or lenny going to be stopped supported once 7.0 comes out? |
| 00:16.07 | abrotman | what? |
| 00:16.20 | abrotman | sid is unstable, lenny hasn't been supported for almost a year |
| 00:16.33 | abrotman | did you mean squeeze perhaps? |
| 00:16.35 | asatru | Holy crap someone answered a question! |
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| 00:16.48 | abrotman | ... |
| 00:16.56 | asatru | I'm miffed because I haven't gotten a question answered in 3 rooms :/ |
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| 00:17.10 | abrotman | probably because your question doesn't make much sense |
| 00:17.11 | asatru | Squeeze probably |
| 00:17.27 | abrotman | squeeze will be supported for one year after wheezy's (7.0.x) initial release |
| 00:18.26 | asatru | Anyone know if gnewsense development is still going on or is it abandoned? <- that was what I asked in the room/channel |
| 00:19.02 | abrotman | you're asking the wrong channel, ask them |
| 00:19.07 | abrotman | we wouldn't know |
| 00:19.21 | asatru | So, is Debian 7.0 planned before summer or is that unknown? |
| 00:19.28 | abrotman | unknown |
| 00:19.37 | abrotman | there is never a firm release date for Debian releases |
| 00:20.00 | phogg | doesn't even know what debian 7.0 is |
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| 00:20.20 | asatru | It's "wheezy" |
| 00:20.20 | abrotman | phogg: it will be wheezy |
| 00:20.31 | phogg | aha |
| 00:20.44 | frikinz | it IS planned before summer . the year is still not decided |
| 00:20.51 | asatru | Does anyone know how many Toy Story names are left to be used? |
| 00:20.54 | asatru | LoL |
| 00:20.57 | abrotman | asatru: google does |
| 00:21.02 | phogg | asatru: lots and lots |
| 00:21.15 | asatru | Danke |
| 00:21.48 | Nik05 | i have only seen toy story 1, and jessie is a stupid toy from toy story 3 or something... |
| 00:22.05 | abrotman | that was helpful |
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| 00:22.11 | Nik05 | they should first do the cool toys from ts1 :P |
| 00:22.17 | Nik05 | thanks abrotman |
| 00:22.22 | asatru | What I want to do is switch from Ubuntu to Debian but I could never get the thing to work |
| 00:22.26 | abrotman | Nik05: perhaps you should check wikipedia before you say that |
| 00:22.27 | Nik05 | oh wait #debian-offtopic :) |
| 00:23.01 | Nik05 | is jessie in toy story 1? |
| 00:23.15 | abrotman | Nik05: google ... |
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| 00:24.02 | asatru | So I simply am using Ubuntu until I can get Debian to work. Forwhatever reason the monitor never worked with Debian. Shrug |
| 00:24.54 | asatru | So is everyone here using the newest version of Debian or no? |
| 00:25.16 | petn-randall | asatru: yes, and no. |
| 00:25.36 | abrotman | asatru: you realize there are over 1000 people here? |
| 00:25.50 | asatru | Yes, I realize that, 1200+ |
| 00:25.58 | abrotman | we don't like polls |
| 00:26.00 | petn-randall | abrotman: Maybe he IS doing a survey. ;) |
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| 00:26.08 | abrotman | poor idea |
| 00:26.18 | frikinz | unless we get paid for it |
| 00:26.38 | asatru | Karma, you get paid in karma :P |
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| 00:27.07 | un214 | asatru that is a good way to get bad karma |
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| 00:30.21 | codechimp | will xorg reconfigure itself if i change hw? my mb took a dump :( |
| 00:32.06 | abrotman | codechimp: old video card vs new one ? |
| 00:32.36 | codechimp | abrotman, yeah, a new motherboard |
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| 00:33.47 | abrotman | i'm asking what the card was/is |
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| 00:35.03 | codechimp | abrotman, ahh ok, well it was an intel express 915 on a dell mb, i haven't purchased the new mb yet, just wondering if i'm going to need to do a new install |
| 00:36.34 | abrotman | codechimp: really depends on the video card on the new mobo |
| 00:37.31 | codechimp | abrotman, so squeeze might not have the drivers? |
| 00:38.00 | abrotman | i have no idea, you haven't told us what the new mobo will have .. it's possible |
| 00:40.10 | codechimp | abrotman, sorry, i don't know what the new mb will be yet either lol i'm just trying to figure out my options if x won't start |
| 00:41.13 | abrotman | codechimp: well, given that your system won't boot right now, not much can be done :) |
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| 00:42.53 | dn4 | well damn I just removed my entire xfce |
| 00:42.56 | dn4 | oops |
| 00:43.00 | codechimp | abrotman, lol yes, it's quite useless at the moment |
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| 00:43.16 | abrotman | codechimp: so when it boots, hopefully at least vesa works |
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| 00:45.54 | codechimp | abrotman, yeah i'm hoping xorg can figure it out on it's own, a reinstall would be a major pita on this system, have to back up about 500gb of data, it's all on one partition |
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| 00:47.48 | abrotman | i doubt you'd hvae to reinstall, but you may need to figure out how to get your networking going wihtout X and get on IRC to get here |
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| 00:51.14 | codechimp | yeah i hope squeeze got drivers for network to, maybe i'll pickup a used mb |
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| 00:53.27 | dn4 | what is the package I need to install to get network support |
| 00:54.08 | abrotman | dn4: in gneeral, none |
| 00:54.22 | abrotman | dn4: some hardware may need something extra |
| 00:54.35 | dn4 | well I did apt-get autoremove |
| 00:54.37 | ghoti | What's the difference between qt4 and gtk20? Are they different widget sets, different libraries, what? If I have a choice of building an application using one vs the other, how do I decide which I should pick? |
| 00:54.42 | dn4 | and it removed my network settings |
| 00:54.53 | abrotman | ghoti: different widget libraries |
| 00:55.38 | ghoti | abrotman: so ... it's simply a matter of personal preference for the look they provide? |
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| 00:56.22 | codechimp | i think udev will find new hw and load drivers for it if they're available |
| 00:56.34 | dn4 | hmm I need something like networking manager |
| 00:56.39 | dn4 | apt-get removed it |
| 00:56.40 | abrotman | ghoti: a bit more than that .. |
| 00:56.43 | abrotman | dn4: so install that |
| 00:56.48 | abrotman | codechimp: correct |
| 00:56.51 | dn4 | I cannot find it |
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| 01:00.43 | ghoti | I see that GTK is a "toolkit" whereas QT is described as a "framework". Is the difference just one of semantics, from a programming aspect? |
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| 01:03.08 | ghoti | abrotman: if you can point me to any useful resources, I'd appreciate it; I'm not sure what to google to gain wisdom regarding comparison of the two. |
| 01:03.25 | abrotman | ghoti: wikipedia? gtk.org? kde.org ? |
| 01:03.34 | ghoti | sigh. |
| 01:03.45 | abrotman | ghoti: most IRC channels will be biased .. |
| 01:03.49 | abrotman | why are you really that curious? |
| 01:04.19 | ghoti | because various applications allow me to build using one or the other, and it bugs me that I have NO idea how to decide which one I want. |
| 01:04.41 | abrotman | ghoti: you'd likely choose based on your current WM (assuming the implementation in the app is equal) |
| 01:04.46 | ghoti | I don't mind bias, per-se; bias is usually the result of something working really well for someone. |
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| 01:12.00 | muh2000 | hi all |
| 01:12.48 | muh2000 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 01:33.39 | rocktop | hello how to make init read /etc/inittab again without restart ? |
| 01:34.35 | KsM | rocktop: I *think* it's kill -HUP 1 |
| 01:35.33 | KsM | yeah, that or telinit Q according to init's manpage |
| 01:37.02 | abrotman | rocktop: kill -1 1 |
| 01:39.09 | rocktop | KsM, abrotman: I have already do that but doesnt work |
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| 01:41.53 | owen1 | how do i know if debian squeeze support Realtek RTL8188CE for my thinkpad x120e? is it wiser to use wheezy? |
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| 01:55.57 | codechimp | owen1 http://wiki.debian.org/rtl819x |
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| 02:04.37 | seeker61 | any xchat experts around |
| 02:05.07 | seeker61 | I have set the alerts to beep when some one comes on my channel but still does not beep |
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| 02:06.22 | abrotman | seeker61: ask #xchat, probably a better place |
| 02:06.27 | somiaj | seeker61: there is an xchat channel |
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| 02:10.53 | owen1 | codechimp: i see RTL8188CE only under wheezy. does it mean i should get wheezy instead of squeeze? |
| 02:11.20 | codechimp | owen1 yeah that's the way it seems to me |
| 02:11.59 | owen1 | codechimp: thanks a lot. i'll get the wheezy netinst |
| 02:12.25 | codechimp | owen1 you're welcome |
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| 02:13.32 | themill | owen1: you could use a kernel from backports.debian.org if you wanted to use squeeze, but at this stage of the release cycle, wheezy makes an excellent desktop release (modulo slowish security support until it is released) |
| 02:14.09 | owen1 | themill: sweet. squeeze it is |
| 02:14.29 | themill | would choose wheezy |
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| 02:15.33 | owen1 | themill: sorry. wanted to say wheezy ( |
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| 02:15.48 | themill | :) |
| 02:17.15 | codechimp | if you installed a kernel from backports then wouldn't it be a squeezy? |
| 02:17.31 | abrotman | no |
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| 02:17.48 | peterrooney | casts his eyes about for rotten lettuce |
| 02:18.30 | owen1 | in the last 7 minutes i am looking at the debian website, and can't find a link to installing wheezy. |
| 02:18.38 | owen1 | the search doen't help either |
| 02:18.51 | owen1 | is it just me? |
| 02:18.55 | abrotman | yes |
| 02:18.57 | seeker61 | abotman: thanks |
| 02:19.03 | abrotman | i'm a bot! |
| 02:19.06 | seeker61 | somiaj: thanks |
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| 02:21.11 | owen1 | http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ i think that's the one |
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| 02:22.26 | abrotman | good searching |
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| 02:24.40 | peterrooney | owen1: if you have a decent net connection, http://www.debian.org/distrib/netinst and select your architecture |
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| 02:27.27 | abrotman | peterrooney: for wheezy? |
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| 02:31.32 | owen1 | peterrooney: i need wheezy. i thought it's http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
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| 02:32.17 | themill | owen1: yes, that's right |
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| 02:33.52 | shawnbon206 | anyone here have experience with "Debian GNU/kFreeBSD"? |
| 02:34.34 | abrotman | experience relating to what? |
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| 02:34.54 | shawnbon206 | experience using it |
| 02:35.10 | shawnbon206 | i want to pick the brain of someone who has used it |
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| 02:36.04 | shawnbon206 | i like debian's package management, i also like zfs, but i am wondering if it will end up not working for me just because its in its infancy |
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| 02:36.35 | abrotman | so related more to the kernel, that's probably the #debian-kfreebsd on OFTC |
| 02:38.34 | shawnbon206 | they're all going to tell me its the bee's knees |
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| 02:38.46 | shawnbon206 | thats why they idle there because they like it |
| 02:39.10 | owen1 | i try to install tmux on squeeze and get: Err http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ sid/main libtinfo5 i386 5.9-7 |
| 02:39.18 | abrotman | that's not squeeze |
| 02:40.12 | codechimp | sid is always unstable |
| 02:40.31 | themill | shawnbon206: there are very few kfreebsd users out there at all -- the chance of finding one in here is vanishingly small (compare: /msg judd popcon libc0.1 ; /msg judd popcon libc6) |
| 02:40.55 | owen1 | abrotman: 6.0.4 |
| 02:41.09 | themill | !show sources.list owen1 |
| 02:41.09 | dpkg | owen1: Please pastebin the contents of your /etc/apt/sources.list and /etc/apt/sources.list.d/*.list. The easiest way to do this is to pastebin the output of: find /etc/apt/ -name '*.list' -printf "\n%p:\n" -exec cat {} \; |
| 02:41.56 | abrotman | owen1: not if you're grabbing packages from sid |
| 02:42.39 | jpinx | owen1: could do the ssd thing maybe |
| 02:42.40 | shawnbon206 | themill: thanks that answers my question pretty much. no users = no testing and therefore a headache for me |
| 02:42.45 | jpinx | !ssb |
| 02:42.45 | dpkg | First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>. |
| 02:42.47 | codechimp | back in my distrojunkie days i tried kfreebsd once, but it didn't work |
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| 02:43.19 | themill | shawnbon206: well all the information about it calls it a "technology preview" so you knew that already |
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| 02:46.03 | owen1 | abrotman: http://pastebin.com/nEtdVXmr |
| 02:46.24 | shawnbon206 | themill: i didn't really understand the gravity of it though. in other worlds, like the mobile phone world, a large percentage of users are using software like that |
| 02:47.12 | themill | owen1: that's not all the information that dpkg asked you for |
| 02:47.24 | themill | shawnbon206: not really |
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| 02:50.03 | RocketLauncher | I got a segmentation fault when doing Xorg -configure and I don't really know whats wrong in it http://paste.installgentoo.com/view/4efb1490 |
| 02:50.14 | owen1 | themill: http://pastebin.com/WBYzVpVA |
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| 02:51.43 | owen1 | guys, unetbootin on mac not showing me any files in the 'brawse' so i can't point it to my iso file! |
| 02:51.54 | abrotman | don't use unetbootin |
| 02:52.28 | RocketLauncher | let me find the nme of the program you SHOULD use |
| 02:52.45 | RocketLauncher | Oh no , it's on a Mac so i dont know any mac programs |
| 02:53.01 | _jacks | hi, my linux debian desktop just turns off suddenly with no error messages in the logs, i cant seem to replicate it as it is very sporadic, i checked my system temps cpu & gpu are hovering around 44-50c what could cause a sudden halt like someone held down the power button for 3 seconds and turned it off? |
| 02:54.05 | abrotman | RocketLauncher: what's 'uname -r' ? |
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| 02:54.08 | _jacks | it only appears to be happening when im streaming movies so far.. |
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| 02:54.31 | RocketLauncher | 3.2.0-4-amd64 |
| 02:54.33 | RocketLauncher | @ abrotman |
| 02:54.40 | somiaj | _jacks: almost sounds like buggy hardware. |
| 02:54.51 | codechimp | _jacks yeah sometimes a bad power supply will do that or possibly bad ram chip |
| 02:55.08 | somiaj | bad video ram can also do strange things |
| 02:55.16 | yvw | hello, I'm trying to enable gpu acceleration on debian with gnome , squeeze 6.0.7 .. The graphic card is intel 945 mobile. For some reason , gpu 3d acceleration is not enabled even though I generated and configured the xorg.conf file . Can anybody take a look? |
| 02:55.16 | _jacks | codechimp: i recently replaced the psu due to a power failure burning out the old one |
| 02:55.24 | somiaj | but yea if it is as if your mobo is shutting your computer down it is more likely bad power |
| 02:55.33 | somiaj | it detects something strange with the power and shuts down. |
| 02:55.35 | _jacks | codechimp: so you think i should run some kind of memory test? |
| 02:55.48 | _jacks | somiaj: is there a test i can run for that? |
| 02:55.53 | somiaj | _jacks: did you replace anything else besides the psu when the powersupply went out. Usually that surge will take out more than the psu |
| 02:56.05 | codechimp | _jacks yeah check the ram, maybe the surge caused some damage |
| 02:56.08 | somiaj | psu's can do random things when they go out. |
| 02:56.10 | _jacks | somiaj: no, everything else appeared fine at the time |
| 02:56.17 | _jacks | :\ |
| 02:56.26 | somiaj | yea buggy hardware, kinda have to debug it |
| 02:56.33 | somiaj | memtest overnight (run for about 8 hours) |
| 02:56.36 | somiaj | is a place to start testing |
| 02:56.49 | somiaj | trying to isolate what hardware use causes the crash such as video card, disk reading, etc |
| 02:56.55 | _jacks | short of buying a new psu to run tests with, is there some kind test software for a psu? |
| 02:57.15 | RocketLauncher | abrotman: Forgot to mention that I'm using xserver-xorg-video-radeon instead of proprietary drivers. proprietary drivers would work with me but i wanted to try free first |
| 02:57.26 | somiaj | there are hardware ways to test if the psu is porducing the right power, but no software I know of |
| 02:57.42 | RocketLauncher | I'm not Richar Stallman so I'll gladly switch to proprietary drivers if it becomes a hassle |
| 02:57.47 | _jacks | somiaj: okay thanks, i guess ill try the memtest first |
| 02:57.57 | abrotman | RocketLauncher: still shouldn't segfault |
| 02:58.02 | RocketLauncher | yeah |
| 02:58.04 | kingsley | Which video file formats are recommended for their openness? |
| 02:58.07 | RocketLauncher | it happened before on squeeze and on Mint i think |
| 02:58.11 | codechimp | _jacks i actually just had the same problem and it turned out to be some blown capacitors on the motherboard |
| 02:58.22 | somiaj | kingsley: ogg vorbis |
| 02:58.43 | somiaj | kingsley: though I have only messed with audio with ogg, just use mpeg4 for video |
| 02:58.45 | _jacks | codechimp: were they bulging at the top? |
| 02:58.59 | codechimp | _jacks yes exactly |
| 02:59.25 | _jacks | codechimp: i did have something similar happen to me years ago, i hope its not that :( |
| 02:59.26 | somiaj | but yea if a psu goes out, you are very lucky if it didn't cause other damage when it surged |
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| 02:59.57 | _jacks | somiaj: i thought it was strange considering i had a surge protector board connected |
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| 03:00.24 | abrotman | RocketLauncher: Checked the BTS? |
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| 03:01.16 | somiaj | _jacks: surge protectors protect from surges from the power in the house, if the psu goes, its surge goes straight to your components. |
| 03:01.25 | RocketLauncher | Not atm, but when it happened last time i read a few errors about it being a problem with vmware drivers that were included for some reason |
| 03:01.36 | _jacks | somiaj: oh ok i wasn't aware of that |
| 03:01.38 | RocketLauncher | i'll check it now i guess |
| 03:02.30 | somiaj | _jacks: this is one reason I don't skimp on price on my psu's. I think it is worth getting higher quality here |
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| 03:03.21 | _jacks | somiaj: i spent about $200 on the previous psu and it was a 1000w decent quality one and it still died |
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| 03:04.01 | somiaj | _jacks: but either way your problem sounds like it is most likely hardware. I doubt it is software, but I am assuming you aren't running crazy patches on some bleeding edge kernel. |
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| 03:05.29 | seeker61 | so where does debian keep sound files |
| 03:05.36 | abrotman | which sound files? |
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| 03:06.41 | _jacks | somiaj: nah its stable branch |
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| 03:07.45 | LtL | seeker61: /usr/share/sounds/ for starters. |
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| 03:09.13 | seeker61 | LtL: ok thanks |
| 03:09.21 | LtL | seeker61: np |
| 03:09.23 | codechimp | abrotman i'm ordering an exact replacement mobo and bypassing the potential xorg mess ;) |
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| 03:10.32 | abrotman | codechimp: you'll have a network problem |
| 03:10.36 | abrotman | !tell codechimp about z70 |
| 03:12.21 | codechimp | abrotman thanks, i can deal with that i think |
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| 03:20.59 | owen1 | how to download flash videos from the command line? i tried http://code.google.com/p/get-flash-videos/ but it's not working for me. |
| 03:22.03 | LtL | owen1: from where? |
| 03:22.17 | seeker61 | sounds just come through speaker as loud static when used as an alert in xchat |
| 03:22.34 | jpinx | owen1: maybe youtube-dl |
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| 03:25.04 | owen1 | LtL: youtube didn't work - ./get_flash_videos http://youtu.be/eJJKyDt9ArM |
| 03:25.20 | Vicissitude | youtube-dl is pretty good |
| 03:25.27 | owen1 | jpinx: yeah. dl is nice but not working on every flash website. |
| 03:25.28 | seeker61 | they work just fine in facebook chat |
| 03:25.51 | LtL | owen1: apt-get youtube-dl, i don't know about other sites. |
| 03:26.27 | Vicissitude | http://rg3.github.com/youtube-dl/ |
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| 03:27.38 | codechimp | tell gnash to stream to hd |
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| 03:34.09 | LtL | owen1: http://youtu.be/eJJKyDt9ArM is 174.11M and youtube-dl works fine. |
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| 03:34.49 | Vicissitude | if you use -f 18 (for instance) with youtube-dl, the file will be smaller |
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| 03:35.26 | owen1 | LtL: i had issues with other sites. but i'll give it a try. thanks |
| 03:35.33 | TheBondX | hi, in a file # is the beginning of a command. What is ";" ? |
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| 03:36.03 | TheBondX | in openvpn config file |
| 03:36.04 | abrotman | TheBondX: depends on the file |
| 03:36.14 | abrotman | it could be a comment, read the man page |
| 03:36.50 | LtL | TheBondX: # is a comment, that line is ignored. ';' is the end of a command in most cases |
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| 03:39.39 | TheBondX | thanks : ) |
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| 03:40.42 | LtL | TheBondX: my guess is if you remove the # that line will execute, and the ; separates that command from the next command. |
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| 03:41.35 | dn4 | what is the wireless manager for the kde 6.0.7 ? |
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| 03:43.46 | samgraf | dn4: |
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| 03:44.21 | samgraf | Sorry, Network Manager I believe. |
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| 03:47.50 | TheBondX | Q: After installation of a program we just call its name when we would like to run it. We don't provide path most of the case, is the path saved in environment variable/file ? |
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| 03:48.46 | LtL | TheBondX: depends if the executable is in your path, otherwise you'll need an absolute pathname |
| 03:49.07 | Coweater | TheBondX: user run programs will put their executable in /usr/bin typically, which should be in your user's $PATH environment variable |
| 03:49.38 | Coweater | you can check it by typing $PATH at a bash prompt |
| 03:49.52 | TheBondX | k thnx |
| 03:50.31 | dn4 | what would the network-manager-kde package name be on debian-6.0.7-i386-kde-CD-1.iso |
| 03:51.05 | themill | dn4: it wouldn't be on that iso |
| 03:51.20 | themill | oh.. hang on |
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| 03:53.26 | themill | dn4: yeah, not on that CD at all. And I'd recommend grabbing plasma-widget-networkmanagement from squeeze-backports instead in any case (and perhaps just installing wheezy) |
| 03:54.51 | samgraf | dn4: I don't have a Debian KDE system here, but in Kubuntu it's network-manager |
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| 04:06.58 | dn4 | themill: how do I get that package ? |
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| 04:11.22 | owen1 | what lines do i need in sources.list apart from the 2 for wheezy main contrib non-free? |
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| 04:12.19 | nevyn | owen1: to run debian? none. |
| 04:12.30 | owen1 | nevyn: sweet |
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| 04:13.20 | owen1 | nevyn: should i remove the 2 security lines or keep them? |
| 04:13.32 | owen1 | wheezy/updates main? |
| 04:14.09 | nevyn | wheezy/updates.. doesn't exist yet. |
| 04:14.12 | nevyn | but it will.. |
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| 04:14.38 | owen1 | nevyn: that's what i have there |
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| 04:15.00 | themill | it exists, it's just fairly empty |
| 04:15.04 | owen1 | for now all i did is added contrib non-free to the first 2 lines |
| 04:15.12 | owen1 | ok. keeping the security |
| 04:15.32 | themill | dn4: do you not have some other means of connecting to the internet other than wireless? |
| 04:16.15 | owen1 | i should run apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade to keep my laptop up to date, right |
| 04:16.16 | owen1 | ? |
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| 04:17.10 | themill | owen1: "aptitude safe-upgrade" should be sufficient, rather than dist-upgrade. |
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| 04:17.36 | owen1 | themill: ok. so apt-get update first, right? |
| 04:17.41 | themill | yes |
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| 04:20.00 | dn4 | themill: nope |
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| 04:20.18 | dn4 | can I download the package here and then just upload to that system ? |
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| 04:27.45 | dn4 | themill: so will this on ework ftp://ftp.utexas.edu/pub/debian-cd/6.0.7/i386/iso-cd/debian-6.0.7-i386-kde-CD-1.iso ? |
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| 04:33.58 | samgraf | dn4: Is the Debian installer telling you that you need firmware-linux-nonfree? I find it odd that Network Manager is not installing. |
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| 04:35.28 | dn4 | I cannot find the package on the cd |
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| 04:35.43 | samgraf | dn4: Which package? |
| 04:36.07 | dn4 | the package to install some network management front end for the KDE gui |
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| 04:38.20 | samgraf | dn4: That should happen automatically if Debian can install drivers for you NIC. I don't recall ever installing Network Manager separately. In fact on some Debian installations where NM isn't used by default, you have to actually remove it. Something does not sound right. |
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| 04:39.11 | dn4 | well I said I i'd configure the network connection later in the install |
| 04:39.25 | dn4 | so now I Want to configure it but where are those files |
| 04:40.18 | samgraf | dn4: Did you actually try to install network-manager? |
| 04:41.11 | dn4 | I just did a regular install |
| 04:42.10 | samgraf | dn4: OK, but now that the machine is running, did you try to install network-manager? |
| 04:42.17 | TheBondX | /etc/init.d/network-manager start |
| 04:44.06 | dn4 | I don't have that |
| 04:45.08 | samgraf | dn4: Don't have what? |
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| 04:46.45 | dn4 | /etc/init.d/network-manager start |
| 04:48.55 | samgraf | dn4: So assuming Network Manager is not installed, have you tried to install network-manager? And did the installer ever prompt you for firmware-linux-nonfree? |
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| 04:51.30 | dn4 | I tried to figure out a way to install some wireless support |
| 04:51.37 | dn4 | and not I have no been prompted for non free |
| 04:52.33 | samgraf | dn4: Very odd. But I need to know--have you tried to install network-manager? |
| 04:53.33 | dn4 | I did apt-cache search network-manager and nothing shows up |
| 04:54.55 | dn4 | oh damn it look slike this cd might not check out; |
| 04:58.01 | themill | didn't we establish about an hour ago that kde-cd-1 doesn't have that package? |
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| 04:58.58 | dn4 | yep |
| 04:59.11 | dn4 | it was a squeeze cd |
| 04:59.22 | samgraf | themill: Then how does NM install if it's not on the disc? |
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| 05:00.41 | dn4 | how does one connect to a WPA connection with a un/ps |
| 05:00.49 | dn4 | username and password using a net install |
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| 05:02.49 | themill | you need the wheezy installer for that |
| 05:03.05 | themill | samgraf: you either give it a CD that does have the package or download it |
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| 05:08.24 | samgraf | themill: Would you agree that it is on the live ISOs? |
| 05:09.03 | themill | Yes. And on DVD1. |
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| 05:16.18 | samgraf | dn4: So my mistake. I apologize. I was sure that I had installed it from CD, but I just went through my ISO archive and they are all DVD images. |
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| 05:28.27 | dn4 | i'll use Wheezy |
| 05:28.41 | dn4 | I think I can get the install going if I install awesome instead of xfdc |
| 05:29.04 | dn4 | going to figure out how to drop lightdm |
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| 05:29.11 | dn4 | and the gtk greeter that crashes me system |
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| 05:31.19 | dn4 | what sucks is I don't know how to write a wpa_supplicant.conf file |
| 05:31.22 | dn4 | fml |
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| 06:01.52 | owen1 | I got RTL8188CE device. based on the debian wiki i installed firmware-realtek and wireless-tools. do i need to reboot before running iwconfig again? |
| 06:02.16 | owen1 | (i use iwconfig to verify if my wireless interface is working) |
| 06:05.10 | owen1 | i just restarted and now i can see some stuff under wlan0 |
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| 06:16.41 | dn4 | what are the latest Wheezy deb source links? |
| 06:17.03 | owen1 | ifconfig wlan0 up => ADDRCONF (NETDEV_UP): wlan: link is not ready |
| 06:17.06 | owen1 | any ideas? |
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| 06:19.55 | owen1 | now i am getting operation not possible due to RF-kill |
| 06:20.03 | owen1 | (i tried unblocking wlan0) |
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| 06:21.36 | owen1 | ok. it was my wireless button on the laptop. i still have the 'link is not ready' issue |
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| 06:40.51 | dn4 | sweet I figured out a way to get wheezy running in wpa wireless; then drop back into console and it works |
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| 06:52.49 | shifty` | I want to mount a second disk that will contain /home and /var - so there will be symlinks in / that point to their directories. Question is; aiming for best practice according to the Filesystem Hierarchy Specification; where is the best place to mount this second disk? /srv/disk2 ??? |
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| 06:53.31 | Dewi | shifty`: /mnt ? |
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| 06:53.54 | shifty` | Dewi: FHS mandates that as /temporary/ mounts |
| 06:54.01 | dn4 | how do I get my system to boot up with gdm3 |
| 06:54.09 | dn4 | or if I install it will it do that automatically |
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| 06:54.27 | Dewi | shifty`: you want home and var to share a filesystem? |
| 06:54.39 | shifty` | dn4: probably automatic. |
| 06:54.50 | shifty` | Dewi: yes. |
| 06:55.29 | dn4 | hopefully this works |
| 06:55.34 | dn4 | lightdm was messing up my system |
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| 06:55.54 | shifty` | (otherwise I would mount a partition directly on /home, and another on /var) |
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| 06:56.51 | shifty` | dn4: well, give it a go and see. unless it's critical that you know for certain! |
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| 06:58.01 | Dewi | shifty`: I guess /srv might be the best fit, personally I think of /srv as logical services rather than resources |
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| 06:58.32 | nevyn | /srv/gitolite/repositories makes sense tho |
| 06:58.34 | shifty` | Dewi: agree. but like you say, best fit. |
| 06:58.37 | Dewi | (and I mount filesystems directly under root so I don't lose them, heh. Probably not very FHS compliant) |
| 06:59.19 | nevyn | shifty`: use lvm and make var and home seperate filesystems that are lv's? |
| 06:59.28 | shifty` | c'mon - surely there are some Debian lawyers on the channel you want to chime in on the hierarchy? :-) |
| 06:59.50 | nevyn | ;) |
| 06:59.55 | Dewi | shifty`: you probably need to threaten to do something worse, and they'll magically appear |
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| 07:00.23 | nevyn | Dewi: like what? upload the steam client to main ;) |
| 07:00.23 | shifty` | i'm no good at trolling on purpose! |
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| 07:01.13 | Dewi | nevyn: yes. maybe with an embedded display server and graphics drivers statically compiled in or something? |
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| 07:05.41 | shifty` | nevyn: that is indeed a tidy solution. my case is a little complicated, already involving LVM on a fully encrypted disk. I haven't made enough mistakes with LVM to be completely confident, and I was looking for an easy solution. Hence the decision to mount disk2 and use symlinks. |
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| 07:06.14 | nevyn | shifty`: that's superbad. particularly if you're already using lvm |
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| 07:06.45 | yvw | sandwitch: Funny name |
| 07:06.46 | Dewi | nevyn: does LVM not require a contiguous range of extents? |
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| 07:06.50 | nevyn | no |
| 07:06.57 | sandwitch | thx yvw |
| 07:07.03 | nevyn | Dewi: hells no. |
| 07:07.13 | yvw | sandwitch: This is a land of witches anyway |
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| 07:07.22 | Dewi | nevyn: ah cool, not too much more awkward than sharing an FS then |
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| 07:07.50 | nevyn | it's way easier if his existing stuff is lvm |
| 07:07.52 | shifty` | nevyn: not quite - I am confident I can always get my data out - I just haven't practiced the incantations for LVM magic. |
| 07:08.21 | nevyn | shifty`: for this scenario.. all you need to do is pvcreate /dev/newdisk /dev/volgroup |
| 07:08.44 | nevyn | and then lvextend lv_home or whatever it's called |
| 07:08.59 | nevyn | you can move it entirely to the other pv if you want. |
| 07:09.11 | Dewi | nevyn: I mean awkward in that you still need to pick sizes for the 2 FSes, and resize them manually if that guess doesn't turn out well |
| 07:09.47 | dn4 | why wheezy system keeps crashing; saying stuff is tainted |
| 07:09.55 | dn4 | update-exim4.co tainted |
| 07:09.59 | dn4 | what dose that mean ? |
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| 07:10.27 | nevyn | shifty`: but you don't have enough device_mapper in this ;) serious people have physical disks combined into a md accelerated with flashcache with lvm on that split into lv's |
| 07:10.43 | nevyn | in order to combine and split your storage appropriately. |
| 07:10.55 | shifty` | I didn't want to bore everyone with the details, but now we're talking i'd better be up front about what I'm up to then... I have an existing system with a hard disk. I bought a SSD, which will contain the system, except for /home, /var, /tmp and swap. Those go on the original HDD, now called disk2. The HDD must use LUKS encryption for everything, and the SSD has hardware encryption. |
| 07:11.26 | ectospasm | dn4: "tainted" usually means the kernel has loaded code which is not completely free, in the GNU/DFSG sense. |
| 07:11.27 | nevyn | shifty`: have you considered flashcache? |
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| 07:11.53 | shifty` | nevyn: er, no? what is that? |
| 07:12.11 | ectospasm | dn4: the tainted message can be ignored, unless you really care about such things. |
| 07:12.45 | nevyn | shifty`: so instead of statically guessing wrong what is on the spinning rust and what iss on the ssd let a computer decide based on actual usage |
| 07:13.06 | mynameisdeleted | hi... |
| 07:13.32 | mynameisdeleted | I want to deploy debian at work.... I also want to make sure management can see what people are doing on their debian-linux workstations during time-tracked hours |
| 07:13.45 | nevyn | yesss...... |
| 07:13.49 | mynameisdeleted | such as when they clock in... a screen-shot is taken every 30 seconds and amount of comptuer activity recorded |
| 07:13.58 | shifty` | nevyn: flashcache: immediate issues I can see are 1) no TRIM support, and 2) I don't trust the "encryption |
| 07:14.01 | mynameisdeleted | any good open source software for this? |
| 07:14.12 | shifty` | nevyn: encryption on the SSD to be secure |
| 07:14.16 | nevyn | shifty`: do you trust lvm block encryption? |
| 07:14.33 | nevyn | because all the flashcache would contain is lvm crypted blocks. (it's below lvm decryption) |
| 07:14.36 | shifty` | nevyn: yes. |
| 07:15.08 | shifty` | nevyn: well, as far as the length of a rubber hose... |
| 07:15.13 | nevyn | ? |
| 07:15.20 | nevyn | yeah that's a problem with lvm. |
| 07:15.36 | nevyn | in that it has no plausible deniability at all |
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| 07:15.44 | shifty` | nevyn: rubber hose, see the XKCD regarding 'leet encyption |
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| 07:15.48 | nevyn | yeah yeah. |
| 07:16.08 | nevyn | 1) no TRIM support, this is irellevant. |
| 07:16.52 | nevyn | 2) I don't trust the "encryption flashcache would still use lvm's crypto stuff. |
| 07:17.13 | shifty` | nevyn: I want to minimise writes to the SSD, I've read that software encryption on a SSD is not particularly kind in this respect |
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| 07:17.30 | nevyn | shifty`: so.. do you feel lucky? |
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| 07:17.59 | shifty` | nevyn: yeah - why not. suggest I try out the above? |
| 07:18.00 | nevyn | so flashcache views the SSD as a disposable acceleration cache you throw it out in 2 years. |
| 07:18.43 | nevyn | so the downside of this: |
| 07:18.43 | shifty` | nevyn: in that case I do feel lucky. You do make a strong argument. |
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| 07:18.55 | nevyn | you don't get any more space. |
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| 07:19.24 | nevyn | the ssd will wearout eventually. |
| 07:19.32 | nevyn | the upside is. |
| 07:20.08 | nevyn | you don't waste space on the ssd with things that are rarely used. (binaries that you don't use often like most of /usr) |
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| 07:21.15 | nevyn | the kernel can decide based on what you're doing right now what should be in the ssd. (working on a 50GB dataset cache that and chuck out bash which is in memory anyway.) |
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| 07:23.52 | nevyn | shifty`: so I think there's good reasons to steal the structure of most modern high performance storage arrays.. |
| 07:23.56 | nevyn | which is... |
| 07:24.34 | nevyn | spinning rust agregates behind a ssd acceleration layer behind gobs of ram. |
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| 07:26.16 | nevyn | shifty`: so the there's a gotcha. |
| 07:26.31 | nevyn | it's out of tree (for now) and there are only packages for sid |
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| 07:33.03 | shifty` | nevyn: thank you. I'm going to have to do more reading. |
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| 07:33.35 | shifty` | nevyn: sid here anyway. will flashcache compile for a 32 bit proc? |
| 07:33.44 | nevyn | what arch? |
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| 07:34.39 | shifty` | nevyn: i386. |
| 07:35.00 | nevyn | so it's got known probs with i386 |
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| 07:35.13 | nevyn | according to the package page |
| 07:35.23 | nevyn | http://packages.debian.org/sid/flashcache-dkmshttp://packages.debian.org/sid/flashcache-dkms |
| 07:35.25 | nevyn | http://packages.debian.org/sid/flashcache-dkms |
| 07:35.28 | nevyn | bleh |
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| 07:37.09 | shifty` | nevyn: so... I'd better go and learn my LVM backwards, eh? |
| 07:37.19 | nevyn | well no. |
| 07:37.26 | nevyn | this is the nice thing about this idea. |
| 07:37.31 | nevyn | it's LESS invasive. |
| 07:38.16 | nevyn | you install the ssd and tell lvm to use the flashcache device in preference to /dev/sda<n> and things just get faster. |
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| 07:39.03 | nevyn | if you get really tricky... you add multipathd so that the flashcache device is just a prefered "path" and you have sda as a failover path |
| 07:39.10 | owen1 | ifconfig wlan0 up => ADDRCONF (NETDEV_UP): wlan: link is not ready. here is output of other relevant commands - http://pastebin.com/2ze3FWc8 |
| 07:39.56 | owen1 | iwlist wlan0 scan is working and i can even see my ESSID |
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| 07:40.30 | shifty` | nevyn: it's a great idea. just won't work with my Intel Core Duo processor. |
| 07:40.45 | nevyn | huh? |
| 07:40.49 | nevyn | you have a 64bit cpu.... |
| 07:41.10 | nevyn | unless it's a REALLY early core duo |
| 07:41.29 | shifty` | nevyn: ah, that would be a "core 2 duo"... |
| 07:41.56 | nevyn | ah yes... |
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| 07:42.46 | nevyn | well that sucks... |
| 07:43.06 | shifty` | nevyn: i know, i'm milking that last of this poor laptop's goodness out before it heads to silicon heaven |
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| 07:43.48 | nevyn | is now all 64bit allthetime. |
| 07:44.00 | nevyn | except for the rpi |
| 07:45.08 | shifty` | it's funny how quickly we forget the limitations imposed on us by older hardware. eg: using a floppy today would make me mad with frustration, yet in years gone by we'd just grumble and get on with it. |
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| 07:46.27 | nevyn | then again you probably shouldn't listen to anything I say because I can't get debian installed on my laptop (uefi) |
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| 07:48.21 | shifty` | nevyn: :-) |
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| 07:49.30 | shifty` | nevyn: thanks for the worthy suggestions. I'll keep flashcache in mind for the future. I'm off to do some reading... |
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| 08:14.33 | Thorjelly1 | Hello everyone. I can't for the life of me get a bridge network interface set up correctly. I want to make a bridge interface which just uses the eth0 interface for XEN to connect guests to, but when I try to create a bridge, it either doesn't go up, or it makes my entire network unnaccessible, or both. I try to do something similar to the networking section of debian's xen wiki page ( http://wiki.debian.org/Xen#Configure_Networking ), but ifup complains |
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| 08:26.49 | ChrisH | Thorjelly1: did your question ends with "but ifup complains"? |
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| 08:27.38 | Thorjelly1 | no |
| 08:27.52 | Thorjelly1 | but ifup complains "RTNETLINK answers: File exists", and fails to bring up the bridge. What does that mean? How to I fix it? |
| 08:27.56 | ChrisH | Thorjelly1: there you run into some limit. |
| 08:28.22 | Thorjelly1 | that is strange... |
| 08:28.55 | ChrisH | Thorjelly1: I cannot help, but you should show us the interfaces file, ifconfig -a and if usefull dmesg onto paste.debian.net |
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| 08:31.51 | Thorjelly1 | Alright |
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| 08:36.48 | Thorjelly1 | My interface file: http://pastebin.com/JeBE8LH2 |
| 08:36.48 | Thorjelly1 | My ifconfig -a : http://pastebin.com/Ux0EUVN7 |
| 08:36.58 | arvind_khadri | Hi, I am running a squeeze server, and I just ran an dist-upgrade in it and openssh-server fails to install because of the following error, http://paste.debian.net/239658/ |
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| 08:38.53 | Thorjelly1 | I also have dnsmasq and shorewall setup to route my external interface (wlan0) with my internal one (eth0). It works fine, am using it on this computer right now. |
| 08:39.05 | Thorjelly1 | Just need to get a bridge up which bridges eth0 for xen... |
| 08:40.15 | Thorjelly1 | But when I try to bring xenbr0 up, it gives the error "RTNETLINK answers: File exists". |
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| 08:42.52 | ChrisH | Thorjelly1: http://grapsus.net/blog/post/Fixing-Xen-RTNETLINK-answers%3A-File-exists-issue-with-ifup-on-Debian-when-using-network-bridge-and-static-IP points a bit in the same direction I was thinking of. eth0 and bridge have IPs in the same network. Why not using the idea from http://wiki.xen.org/wiki/Host_Configuration/Networking |
| 08:42.58 | ChrisH | bridge_ports eth0 |
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| 08:44.05 | Thorjelly1 | When I use bridge_ports eth0, for some reason it takes the entire network down. |
| 08:44.09 | Thorjelly1 | Well |
| 08:44.16 | Thorjelly1 | If it works |
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| 08:45.00 | Thorjelly1 | I tried manually making a bridge first, ctlbr addbr xenbr0 ctlbr addif xenbr0 eth0 |
| 08:45.56 | Thorjelly1 | To see if that works before I try doing it in debian network files but for some reason nothing connected to eth0 works when I do that. So I figured I would try to bring up a bridge with no interfaces and route them using shorewall. |
| 08:46.08 | Thorjelly1 | But I can't even get one up |
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| 08:49.25 | ChrisH | I only run one bridge on my Openwrt |
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| 08:52.30 | Thorjelly1 | Alright, well thanks for your time. I'm keep trying things. Maybe it won't bring my network down if I use a vlan |
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| 08:55.17 | ChrisH | Thorjelly1: Are you sure to be able to route via a firewall using a bridge interface? In my understanding a bridge is something different as a router. |
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| 08:55.54 | Thorjelly1 | Yeah, shorewall can route to a bridge interface just like any other interface, apparently. |
| 08:56.11 | Thorjelly1 | Also that is what the debian xen wiki actually says to do |
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| 08:56.55 | Thorjelly1 | Although I don't know why, since it should normally be unnecessary. |
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| 09:03.16 | Thorjelly1 | heh, trying to create a vlan interface yields: "ERROR: trying to add VLAN #2 to IF -:eth0:- error: file exists" |
| 09:03.36 | Thorjelly1 | Why on earth am I getting these file exist errors when trying to bring up interfaces. What do they mean? How do they make any sense? |
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| 09:04.02 | ChrisH | Thorjelly1: try strace to see when it comes to this error message |
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| 09:07.48 | TheGrey_ | If I install nvidia driver from nvidia will it auto-update? (http://us.download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86_64/313.18/README/installdriver.html) I ask because I think my current nvidia driver (from nvidia installer) is all of a sudden corrupted: blender cannot open via nvidia, only by Opengl. I basically just want to install the driver and make sure it doesn't auto-update. Should I uninstall my current driver and then install nvidia from the repos? |
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| 09:10.28 | Lachezar | Hello people... I would like to ask for an advise: is it feasible for me to switch from Xubuntu to Debian? Which 'release' would do, and how much work is it to make it look and behave similarly (Network Manager, UI Themes, Firefox, Thunderbird, etc.). |
| 09:10.31 | Thorjelly1 | ChrisH: when running it again it says it is already configured. It just wasn't brought up by ifup, I guess. I did ifconfig eth0.2 up to bring it up, and seems to have worked. Then I try to bring my bridge up. It still says "RTNETLINK answers: File exists" |
| 09:10.53 | Dewi | Lachezar: what's the motivation for the switch? |
| 09:11.16 | jelly-home | Thorjelly1: you'll have to move both the untagged and tagged config from eth0 to your bridge interface. |
| 09:11.44 | Lachezar | Dewi: unease around the way *buntu is going. |
| 09:12.09 | jelly-home | Thorjelly1: basically, a bridge member interface doesn't do anything else but be a bridge member |
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| 09:12.30 | Lachezar | Dewi: I was an Ubuntu user until they Switched to Unity+ZeitGeist. Then switched to Xubuntu, but I no longer trust Canonical. |
| 09:12.44 | Thorjelly1 | jelly-home: What do you mean by move tagged and untagged config? |
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| 09:12.57 | jpinx | Lachezar: why not run it in a vm for a while and see how you go ? |
| 09:13.35 | Lachezar | jpinx: :) Nice. But I am asking for advise whether this is feasible... Xubuntu seems to add an awful lot to Debian. |
| 09:13.53 | Lachezar | jpinx: I might be wrong. That's why I'm asking. |
| 09:13.54 | jpinx | Lachezar: an awful lot of what ? |
| 09:14.27 | Dewi | Lachezar: I imagine the main things you would miss would not be those opensource apps, but the frequent releases and any non-free stuff (drivers etc) you might use |
| 09:14.55 | Lachezar | jpinx: Well... Latest versions of everything (nearly), security updates for the latest stuff (nearly), etc. |
| 09:15.00 | Dewi | Lachezar: also debian's defaults will be very different, so you might have to spend some time integrating it the way you want |
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| 09:15.23 | Lachezar | Dewi: I tend to stick to FLOSS versions of the software I'm using. I actively avoid using proprietary drivers. |
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| 09:16.01 | jpinx | Lachezar as you gain proficiency you can run more non-free stuff, use backports, run unstable - currently wheezy |
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| 09:17.02 | claint | wheezy is not unstable, it is testing. |
| 09:17.03 | Lachezar | jpinx: Like I noted... I do not want non-free stuff (unless no alternative exists). |
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| 09:17.12 | Dewi | Lachezar: if there is only a limited number of things you need to keep very up-to-date on, you could run stable with some backports. If that sounds like a drag you can run testing, but it is likely to break from time to time. Most security fixes should make it into both |
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| 09:17.56 | Lachezar | finds the Debian revision/version naming puzzling at best. |
| 09:17.58 | jpinx | Lachezar: what do you need latest versions of ? |
| 09:18.24 | Lachezar | jpinx: Browser, Mailer, Java (!!!), Pidgin, Transmission client... |
| 09:18.33 | Lachezar | jpinx: Mainly Network client stuff. |
| 09:18.48 | Dewi | Lachezar: if you are happy waiting 2 years between releases, the versioning becomes very simple |
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| 09:19.14 | Lachezar | I am using the laptop for Java development (like 99%), so I'd need very small number of other stuff. |
| 09:19.39 | Lachezar | Dewi: With Java 2 years is a b*tch. |
| 09:20.04 | Lachezar | Dewi: But I will stress, that I do not understand packaging and updates logic in Debian. |
| 09:20.18 | Dewi | Lachezar: really? I could have sworn java still didn't get lambdas and it's been like a decade |
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| 09:20.28 | Lachezar | I've been plagued by Pidgin delays... |
| 09:20.30 | claint | :D |
| 09:20.38 | Lachezar | Dewi: I hope Java *NEVER* gets lambdas. |
| 09:20.42 | jpinx | Lachezar: use bitlbee ;) |
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| 09:21.06 | Lachezar | jpinx: betlbee instead of Pidgin? |
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| 09:21.22 | jpinx | Lachezar: try running debian and stay in here for support - that's alreadt 100% improvement on *buntu |
| 09:21.38 | Lachezar | jpinx: That was... Spot on. |
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| 09:22.06 | Lachezar | jpinx: Which version/release should I start with? How do I install XFCE (any meta-package)? |
| 09:22.13 | Dewi | Lachezar: well the releases themselves are the same model as ubuntu, but you also have access to the other tracks like testing and unstable that continue to update between releases |
| 09:22.22 | jpinx | Lachezar: start with stable and work up |
| 09:22.28 | claint | I bet if Java ever gets lambdas, it would take 20 lines of framecode just to run it because you would have to catch 5 exceptions to do it. |
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| 09:22.35 | Thorjelly1 | I really wish Debian used netcfg for network configuration... |
| 09:23.05 | Lachezar | jpinx: Work up? How? |
| 09:23.06 | jpinx | Lachezar: you might be pleasantly surprised by what you can do with stable and backports ;) |
| 09:23.24 | Lachezar | jpinx: Stable has backports? Now that's new to me... |
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| 09:23.36 | Lachezar | Thorjelly1: Is that the NetworkManager stuff? |
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| 09:24.31 | jpinx | Lachezar: when you get to grips with stable and backports, you will quickly understand how to run other versions, but really - stable is where you should start ;) |
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| 09:25.09 | Lachezar | jpinx: How much time do you spend managing your box? (weekly) |
| 09:25.38 | Lachezar | What does tainted 4096 mean? |
| 09:25.47 | jpinx | Lachezar: I run stable with lxde on a laptop - about ten minutes a week to do update/upgrade |
| 09:26.15 | qwebirc68444 | blacklisted lxde |
| 09:26.35 | jpinx | qwebirc68444: horses for courses ;) |
| 09:26.36 | Lachezar | jpinx: That sounds reasonable... |
| 09:26.48 | Dewi | Lachezar: personally I just run stable, and pull backports for the things I *need* up to date, including a few backports I build myself (it's only a handful of commands to do that) |
| 09:27.22 | jpinx | Dewi: agreed |
| 09:27.23 | Lachezar | Do backports receive security updates? |
| 09:28.20 | Lachezar | jpinx: LXDE is what Mint is using right? |
| 09:28.34 | jpinx | Lachezar: nfc ;) |
| 09:28.52 | Lachezar | ?? nfc |
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| 09:29.13 | qwebirc68444 | near field communication? a chinese buzz |
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| 09:29.23 | qwebirc68444 | i won't buy it |
| 09:29.36 | jpinx | no fscking clue |
| 09:29.40 | Lachezar | ah. |
| 09:30.00 | claint | Lachezar: They get updates, which would include security fixes, so yes. |
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| 09:30.01 | jpinx | this is #debian - not #mint ;) |
| 09:30.05 | qwebirc68444 | qr-code -> rfid -> nfc, all craps |
| 09:30.10 | Lachezar | qwebirc68444: NFC is not *bad* if you use it cautiously... |
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| 09:30.52 | EasyAsPie | hi |
| 09:30.54 | Grul | Hello |
| 09:30.58 | claint | howdy |
| 09:31.07 | jpinx | Lachezar: stability and security are debian hallmarks - as well as unparalleled support ;) |
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| 09:32.01 | Lachezar | jpinx: Me and my colleague have no clue about how to use backports... Any quick-start reading? |
| 09:32.23 | nyuszika7h | !backports |
| 09:32.24 | dpkg | A backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and <ABI> complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch02.en.html (2.7.4 and 2.7.10), http://backports.debian.org/ . Ask me about <debian-backports> and <backport caveat>. See also <simple sid backport>. |
| 09:32.32 | nyuszika7h | !debian-backports |
| 09:32.32 | dpkg | backports.debian.org (formerly backports.org) is an official repository of <backports> for the current stable distribution, prepared by Debian developers. Ask me about <backport caveat> and read http://backports.debian.org/Instructions/ to enable and use. See also <bdo kernel> <bdo mirrors> <bdo contents> <bdo list> <bdo bugs> <bdo xorg> <bdo NEW>. |
| 09:32.37 | Thorjelly1 | Lachezar: No, netcfg just manages connections, starting and stopping them and auto-starting them at boot, like debian's built in methods, but it is more transparent and I've never had problems with it like Debian network scripts, hehe. |
| 09:32.58 | nyuszika7h | Thorjelly1: you mean Arch's netcfg? |
| 09:33.19 | Thorjelly1 | Yeah, though it isn't an arch specific thing |
| 09:33.26 | nyuszika7h | it isn't? |
| 09:33.29 | Thorjelly1 | No |
| 09:33.44 | jpinx | Lachezar: I rarely reboot, but when I do my networks all pop up without me doing anything |
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| 09:34.44 | Thorjelly1 | It'd be nice if they added netcfg to Debian repositories. |
| 09:34.49 | Lachezar | jpinx: Hardly: I move my laptop from home to work (3-4 different places). I shutdown and restart everytime. |
| 09:35.04 | ectospasm | Thorjelly1: you mean http.debian.net doesn't work for you? |
| 09:35.26 | Thorjelly1 | No, it works, I mean, I wish they added a netcfg package |
| 09:35.30 | Lachezar | jpinx: Do I add to sources.list: deb http://backports.debian.org/debian-backports stable-backports main |
| 09:35.47 | khem__ | How do I add multiarch (i386) with dpkg 1.15.8.13 ? dpkg --add-architechture work for 1.16 and onwards |
| 09:35.50 | jpinx | Lachezar: why not just shut the lid ? That's what I do |
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| 09:36.22 | Lachezar | jpinx: My laptop (Lenovo T530) does not hibernate, and occasionally un-sleeps while in my bagpack. |
| 09:36.31 | ectospasm | Lachezar: probably want to use squeeze instead of stable... as the meaning of stable will change in the not too distant future. |
| 09:36.43 | jpinx | Lachezar: new hardware indicated ;) |
| 09:37.22 | ectospasm | Lachezar: is this a new laptop? |
| 09:37.27 | Lachezar | jpinx: *shrug* I really don't know what's wrong with my laptop. I have a hunch, that unplugging my mouse, phone or power un-sleeps it. |
| 09:37.30 | Thorjelly1 | hm, maybe netcfg IS an archlinux thing... |
| 09:37.32 | jpinx | Lachezar: or maybe te lack of suspend is a current OS hiccup which debian will fix ;) |
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| 09:37.38 | Lachezar | T530 is 1 year old (or more). |
| 09:37.46 | Thorjelly1 | anyways I am gonna sleep |
| 09:38.01 | jpinx | Lachezar: my eeepc is now 5 years old |
| 09:38.09 | ectospasm | Lachezar: my Thinkpad x120e is over a year old, and for anything to work right I needed to load wheezy on it. A year ago. |
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| 09:38.40 | Lachezar | ectospasm: I did not understand your message: Why would I use wheezy backports instead of stable backports if I'm using stable as ase? |
| 09:38.46 | Lachezar | s/ase/base/ |
| 09:39.01 | ectospasm | Lachezar: I didn't say wheezy backports. Wheezy backports don't exist currently. |
| 09:39.02 | jpinx | Lachezar: ignore that from ectospasm |
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| 09:39.22 | jpinx | Lachezar: start with stable |
| 09:39.27 | ectospasm | I said squeeze, you were supposed to infer squeeze-backports. |
| 09:39.31 | Lachezar | ectospasm: Ahha... You meant I shoul duse wheezy, not stable as a base? |
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| 09:40.10 | Lachezar | Oh... My bad... Bad short-term memory slaps himself). |
| 09:40.14 | ectospasm | Lachezar: I resolved many laptop-related issues (power management, wireless, etc.) with wheezy. |
| 09:40.30 | ectospasm | Wheezy is frozen, so it's fine for everyday use |
| 09:40.44 | jpinx | Lachezar: you need to read debian.org regarding releases |
| 09:40.45 | ectospasm | dpkg, tell Lachezar -about frozen |
| 09:41.35 | Lachezar | jpinx: I've read them... And it didn't become clearer... I seem to be too linear for that. |
| 09:42.12 | jpinx | Lachezar: debian releases are singularly linear |
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| 09:43.12 | jpinx | !releases |
| 09:43.12 | dpkg | See http://www.debian.org/releases/ for an explanation of releases. See <release history> or http://wiki.debian.org/DebianReleases for prior releases. Ask me about <stable>, <testing>, <unstable> and <introduction>. |
| 09:43.20 | jpinx | Lachezar: ^^ |
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| 09:44.01 | jpinx | Lachezar: you will also learn quickly how to /msg dpkg for a lot of information summaries |
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| 09:45.20 | Lachezar | Stable = squeeze < Testing = wheezy < Unstable = sid? |
| 09:45.35 | Sm0ke0ut | yep |
| 09:45.51 | jpinx | Lachezar: see? that was easy ;) |
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| 09:46.21 | Lachezar | And ( Unstable == sid ) === true |
| 09:46.24 | jpinx | the names will change, and there are version numbers, but things happens slowly ;) |
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| 09:46.44 | Lachezar | That is... Unstable will always be SID? |
| 09:46.55 | jpinx | yes |
| 09:47.10 | Lachezar | So... Wheezy is about to be Stable, and something new is Testing? |
| 09:47.15 | jpinx | stable and testing progress through names and version numbers |
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| 09:49.24 | Lachezar | OK. That kinda makes sense... |
| 09:49.47 | Lachezar | Debian Stable ~ *buntu LTS? |
| 09:50.25 | ectospasm | Lachezar: there's no direct correlation. |
| 09:50.32 | ectospasm | ...but the idea is the same |
| 09:50.52 | ectospasm | Lachezar: //topic |
| 09:50.56 | Lachezar | ectospasm: That's why I put the ~ (for lack of almost-equal) |
| 09:51.16 | ectospasm | did not notice that. |
| 09:51.47 | Lachezar | ectospasm: I think I get the weak-correlation... |
| 09:51.52 | peterrooney | Lachezar: there's no relationship between debian stable and ubuntu anything |
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| 09:52.58 | Lachezar | peterrooney: Now that I look again, you're right... Stable is *NEVER* newest, while LTS is == NEWEST at the time of its release... |
| 09:53.27 | Lachezar | is slowly pulling one hand out of the quick-sand... |
| 09:53.47 | jpinx | Lachezar: stop trying to equate debian with any other release - you only confuse yourself |
| 09:54.08 | Lachezar | My colleague seems to like stable + backports... And the fact, that there is Kernel 3.2 in backports helps. |
| 09:54.29 | Lachezar | jpinx: Sorry, but I am forced to. When considering migration that's what I *HAVE* to do. |
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| 09:55.25 | jpinx | Lachezar: no - what you mean is you need to compare the release of a certain package of software - not the release of the OS |
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| 09:56.59 | Lachezar | jpinx: I'm more interested in how package updates are considered: do I get the latest versions, or am I stuck with an older one for years? Will I be able to find newer products? What's the de |
| 09:57.13 | Lachezar | *position on LibreOffice vs OpenOffice... Ect. |
| 09:58.23 | Lachezar | jpinx: So equating or similaring (doh!) Debian with something I am using with should help me understand what I win and what I loose. |
| 09:58.31 | jpinx | judd: versions LibreOffice |
| 09:58.32 | judd | No package named 'LibreOffice' was found in i386. |
| 09:58.45 | Lachezar | jpinx: I undrstand that Debian != Whatever, but still... |
| 09:59.04 | petn-randall | Lachezar: Keep in mind that Ubuntu only gives security support for ~3000 of 30k packages, the rest is "community maintained without guarantees". |
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| 09:59.17 | jpinx | Lachezar: why do you need latest versions of what packages? |
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| 09:59.33 | petn-randall | Lachezar: For that reason alone it's quite difficult to compare Debian with Ubuntu. |
| 09:59.49 | Lachezar | jpinx: I am tired of having stuff not working, because it was changed in newer versions. Pidgin being the quote-of-the-day. |
| 10:00.15 | Lachezar | petn-randall: I thing community maintained is as good as Debian-maintained. |
| 10:00.19 | jpinx | what doesn't work in Pidgin |
| 10:00.34 | Lachezar | jpinx: Bonjour... |
| 10:00.37 | petn-randall | Lachezar: In fact it isn't. |
| 10:01.07 | Lachezar | petn-randall: More please... |
| 10:01.23 | jpinx | Lachezar: Bonjour ? |
| 10:02.07 | Lachezar | jpinx: Well... That's XMPP without a server LAN only... Kicks A55 when you need to give a coworker a 3G file. |
| 10:02.34 | petn-randall | Lachezar: The universe/multiverse component is very weakly maintained in Ubuntu. They give no guarantee they'll ever fix a problem, even security relevant bugs. |
| 10:03.07 | jpinx | Lachezar: what happened to email ? |
| 10:03.25 | petn-randall | Lachezar: And in at least one occasion two packages from universe actually shipped the same files, breaking you system if you installed them at the same time. |
| 10:03.36 | petn-randall | *your system |
| 10:03.38 | Lachezar | jpinx: Email got limited to 10M attachments, and mail server is off-premises. |
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| 10:05.57 | Lachezar | jpinx: If I add the backports and do an «apt-get dist-upgrade» will it pull backported versions of all the packages? |
| 10:06.15 | petn-randall | Lachezar: Also, until the last LTS, out of those ~3000 packages, some packages got 5, some got 3 years of security support. |
| 10:06.22 | jpinx | Lachezar: of the ones installed - yet |
| 10:06.36 | claint | Lachezar: well, there are lots of ways to give a file to coworker over the local network, but yeah, new things that are "just" implemented two weeks ago won't be in stable packages that stay on the same version for 2+ years. |
| 10:06.55 | petn-randall | Lachezar: I'm not trying to bad-mouth Ubuntu, it has it's uses, but it has a fundamentally different way of giving support. For that reason it's not easy to compare with Debian. |
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| 10:07.07 | Lachezar | claint: The problem with Pidgin is that they CHANGE things, not ADD. And it breaks stuff... |
| 10:07.36 | claint | well, I am on debian stable right now, and my pidgin didn't break in the last two years. |
| 10:08.30 | Lachezar | claint: Mine didn't break too... It just was forever stuck at sending... |
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| 10:09.00 | Lachezar | claint: I can only send files to 2 of my 8 colleagues, and not always. |
| 10:09.11 | jpinx | Lachezar: stop using things that give you a headache -- find another way to do whatever |
| 10:09.46 | Lachezar | claint: But I will admit, that unless I try it I will not be able to give a further mark. |
| 10:10.13 | Lachezar | jpinx: Last time I heard that: I had to use an USB flash drive... |
| 10:10.41 | jpinx | thinks Lachezar has a problem not related to pidgin |
| 10:10.43 | Lachezar | jpinx: I am not a fan of 'good-enough' solutions. |
| 10:11.08 | jpinx | sounds like a network issue |
| 10:11.14 | Lachezar | jpinx: Well... Pidgin + AVAHI + IPv6 = broken LAN. |
| 10:11.31 | jpinx | exactly |
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| 10:12.04 | jpinx | there are other ways to do file transfers on the LAN |
| 10:12.08 | Lachezar | jpinx: Not really. A known issue, supposedly fixed, but not really. Had to disable IPv6 for AVAHI. But not all of my colleagues are Linux-savvy, they don't want to mess it. |
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| 10:12.48 | jpinx | Lachezar: why do your co-workers have to have the same as you? |
| 10:13.00 | Lachezar | jpinx: I've used nc with ease, but that requires knowledge and savvy on the other end too. Alternatives? |
| 10:13.16 | claint | to share files on the network? |
| 10:13.27 | claint | or copy them? |
| 10:13.39 | Lachezar | jpinx: The fact is: they do! It's just that they have Ubuntu LTS with a different version... |
| 10:13.40 | claint | i just use scp. |
| 10:14.08 | Lachezar | claint: SCP requires that I have access to my coworker's machine or he to mine: no-no. |
| 10:14.26 | Dagger2 | Apache? |
| 10:14.42 | Lachezar | Dagger2: :) A nuke for the naggy bee :) |
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| 10:14.56 | Lachezar | I've Tomcat, Glassfish, Jeronimo... |
| 10:15.00 | Dagger2 | or your preferred web server :p |
| 10:15.20 | claint | Lachezar: yeah, apache and enable your home directory and put them there. nfs is another option. samba also if they are on the windows machines. |
| 10:15.33 | petn-randall | Lachezar: NFS, Samba, ... |
| 10:15.41 | Lachezar | Fact is: I want to 'send' a file ONCE to a SPECIFIC coworker: not copy and not share. |
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| 10:16.07 | petn-randall | Lachezar: It's not like you don't have a zillion options for that problem ... :) |
| 10:16.07 | Lachezar | petn-randall: shared storage requires a server. |
| 10:16.21 | jpinx | Lachezar: rsync |
| 10:16.27 | Lachezar | Guys: I am not going to share my machine to send a file... That's *NOT* a solution. |
| 10:16.37 | petn-randall | Lachezar: You have computers at work, right? They work perfectly as a server. |
| 10:16.46 | Lachezar | Why do you all assume I have access to the target machine? |
| 10:16.52 | claint | Lachezar: it is a solution. you are just being picky about the solution. |
| 10:16.52 | jpinx | Lachezar: rsync is secure send only to one |
| 10:17.06 | Lachezar | petn-randall: Nope... Out-sourcing SVN, Cruise Control. |
| 10:17.20 | jpinx | Lachezar: you said they all use linux? |
| 10:17.22 | brontosaurusrex | Lachesis, wetransfer |
| 10:17.25 | brontosaurusrex | google it |
| 10:17.28 | Dagger2 | the lousy reality is that people are stupid, and about the only thing that you can realiably expect anybody to be able to use is a web browser |
| 10:17.47 | jpinx | Dagger2: ;) |
| 10:17.48 | petn-randall | Lachezar: Well, if you don't have computers at work, *any* of our suggestions will be difficult to do ... |
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| 10:17.58 | Dagger2 | reliably* |
| 10:18.09 | jpinx | petn-randall: carrier-pidgin |
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| 10:18.34 | Dagger2 | and s/anybody to be able to use/to work for everybody/, but ok |
| 10:18.39 | Lachezar | Dagger2: Pidgin, send-file. Other side: clicks yes. |
| 10:18.56 | claint | but I think it is really a use case for regular people, otherwise google drive / dropbox would not have a business. |
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| 10:19.15 | jpinx | Lachezar: rsync sends file - other end drinks coffee |
| 10:19.31 | Lachezar | claint: That's off-site... It takes ages to send and then receive Gigs of info. |
| 10:19.43 | Lachezar | jpinx: Nope: access denied. |
| 10:19.44 | Dagger2 | well, there you go then (although it requires people to install Pidgin...) |
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| 10:20.08 | Lachezar | Dagger2: People HAVE pidgin: nothing to install... Well... until it stops working :) |
| 10:20.12 | claint | Lachezar: apache would be so so so easy for you.... |
| 10:20.34 | jpinx | Lachezar: I thought you had to sort out co-workers boxes? |
| 10:20.53 | Lachezar | claint: Not really... Another stuff to manage... And I do *NOT* want to publish/share. I want to 'send'. |
| 10:21.02 | claint | Lachezar: whatever your solution, it will always require a server of some sort, somewhere, right? |
| 10:21.16 | claint | rsync/ssh anything. |
| 10:21.22 | Lachezar | claint: No, Pidgin+Bonjour = No-Server LAN XMPP. |
| 10:21.34 | claint | if you are giving it to XMPP, you got a XMPP server running _somewhere) |
| 10:21.43 | Lachezar | claint: NO, there is NO SERVER! |
| 10:21.45 | claint | ok Bonjour is Apple's hack |
| 10:21.46 | jpinx | Lachezar: rsync-- no server required, secure over ssh, send only, not share |
| 10:21.54 | claint | they are saying there is no server. |
| 10:21.57 | claint | but there actually is |
| 10:21.58 | Lachezar | claint: Also works with mDNS (a.k.a. AVAHI). |
| 10:22.04 | brontosaurusrex | Lachezar, burn to cds and send them via snailmail |
| 10:22.06 | claint | something is listening the LAN |
| 10:22.08 | brontosaurusrex | or dvds |
| 10:22.11 | Lachezar | claint: There is NO SERVER: Multicast DNS. |
| 10:22.21 | claint | DNS? |
| 10:22.26 | claint | DN and S |
| 10:22.27 | brontosaurusrex | the media should be pretty cheap nowadays |
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| 10:22.34 | Lachezar | brontosaurusrex: To the colleague at my right side :):) |
| 10:22.36 | jpinx | Lachezar: read man rsync |
| 10:22.54 | brontosaurusrex | Lachezar, i dont suppor lazzy coworkers |
| 10:23.01 | Lachezar | claint: There is something listening: AVAHI mDNS server. |
| 10:23.15 | claint | Lachezar: which you just mentioned that it doesn't work |
| 10:23.22 | Lachezar | thinks this has gone way off-topic... |
| 10:23.31 | Lachezar | claint: Works... If you all have the newest version. |
| 10:23.32 | claint | Lachezar: ok. |
| 10:23.59 | Lachezar | Sorry people. I was here for something different: considering switching from Xubuntu to Debian. |
| 10:24.09 | jpinx | Lachezar: maybe install stable and come back for specific support :) |
| 10:24.25 | Lachezar | I have the *power* to ask my coworkers to switch from *buntu to Debian (although its up to them). |
| 10:24.49 | Lachezar | jpinx: That seems to be my next step really... Stable + backports (for the newer kernel at least). |
| 10:25.06 | jpinx | Lachezar: ;) |
| 10:25.07 | Lachezar | jpinx: Any meta-package I should start with for XFCE desktop? |
| 10:25.23 | jpinx | Lachezar: i use lxde ;) |
| 10:25.30 | Lachezar | jpinx: Ah yes. |
| 10:26.05 | jpinx | Lachezar: read about installing debian before you start and before you ask in here ;) |
| 10:26.14 | jpinx | !install |
| 10:26.16 | dpkg | There are a myriad different ways to install Debian. See http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer for a list of images and ask me about <various cd1>. See also <install guide> and <d-i> for detailed instructions. (If you've never installed Debian before, you should read the install guide.) |
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| 10:26.45 | Lachezar | dpkg: tell Lachezar: install guide |
| 10:27.09 | Lachezar | dpkg: tell Lachezar: !install_guide |
| 10:27.17 | peterrooney | Lachezar: /msg dpkg <keyword> |
| 10:27.30 | jpinx | !tell Lachezar about tell |
| 10:27.40 | peterrooney | Lachezar: also, /msg dpkg listkeys <keyword> for suggestions |
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| 10:27.58 | Lachezar | !tell Lachezar about install guide |
| 10:28.02 | peterrooney | dpkg is exeptionally informed, if you can find the right key. |
| 10:28.03 | dpkg | i don't know, peterrooney |
| 10:28.14 | Lachezar | rofl |
| 10:28.17 | claint | :D |
| 10:28.19 | jpinx | !selftell |
| 10:28.19 | dpkg | Please do not use the bot's !tell feature on #debian to see factoids for yourself (!tell me about something). Doing so could be considered spam. Instead, send a private message to the bot (dpkg) containing the factoid you want to read. For example, instead of "!tell me about foo", use "/msg dpkg foo". See also <msg the bot> |
| 10:28.23 | peterrooney | Lachezar: use "/msg dpkg stuff" instead of in channel. |
| 10:28.27 | jpinx | Lachezar: ^^ |
| 10:28.28 | brontosaurusrex | Lachesis, a desktop? |
| 10:28.36 | brontosaurusrex | Lachezar, a desktop? |
| 10:28.56 | Lachezar | peterrooney: I did, but wanted to make it work with the tell at least once. |
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| 10:29.20 | Lachezar | brontosaurusrex: Desktop |
| 10:29.40 | brontosaurusrex | Lachezar, go for crunchbang waldorf, its wonderfull |
| 10:29.50 | brontosaurusrex | and its debian inside |
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| 10:30.14 | Lachezar | brontosaurusrex: So is *buntu, but that is not Debian. |
| 10:30.22 | jpinx | Lachezar: I thought you were on a laptop |
| 10:30.41 | brontosaurusrex | oh god, ok iam done with you ... |
| 10:31.09 | Lachezar | jpinx: Laptop for Desktop. |
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| 10:32.21 | Lachezar | just found out, that he was referring to Desktop as a Not-Server, and may have thrown people off-track. |
| 10:32.25 | Lachezar | appologises. |
| 10:32.28 | jpinx | Lachezar: my eeepc is my desktop ;) |
| 10:32.51 | jpinx | Lachezar: my eeepc is also a server ;) |
| 10:32.56 | Lachezar | jpinx: In my terms yes, but I was obviously wrong. Yes, I am referring EEEPC as desktop. |
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| 10:33.48 | Lachezar | jpinx: In my (possibly wrong) notation: Desktop = Machine for human use, Server = Machine with only remote access. |
| 10:33.50 | jpinx | Lachezar: eeepc is a notebook ;) |
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| 10:34.41 | jpinx | Lachezar: don't get too hung up over "desktop" "server" etc - almost any box can be anything |
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| 10:35.42 | jpinx | Lachezar: "headless" is a better term for remote servers with no kbd or screen attached - always needing ssh access |
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| 10:35.48 | Lachezar | jpinx: Right, that's why I'm using Desktop and Server as designation/purpose, not ability. |
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| 10:36.28 | jpinx | Lachezar: in any of them - debian stable is your best starting point for changing to debian |
| 10:36.44 | jpinx | possibly with backports after you understand the basics of stable |
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| 10:37.05 | claint | i think testing is feasible right now as well, since it is in frozen state. |
| 10:37.07 | Lachezar | jpinx: Is there any tool to compare stable+backports to unstable. Package/Version-wise... |
| 10:37.18 | claint | packages.debian.org |
| 10:37.19 | jpinx | Lachezar: no |
| 10:37.43 | jpinx | Lachezar: read my lips -- install stable and take it from there ;) |
| 10:37.53 | Lachezar | jpinx: LXDE: GTK or QT based? |
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| 10:39.39 | babilen | Lachezar: You /might/ want to consider using wheezy though (the currently frozen testing branch that will be released as stable soonish). See <install wheezy> <firmware images wheezy> and <wheezy installation guide> for further details if you follow that route. (/msg dpkg install wheezy) |
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| 10:40.28 | babilen | Lachezar: If you want to use LXDE see <install lxde> for details. (also <install xfce4> and <install kde>) |
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| 10:40.41 | babilen | Oh, and it is GTK based. |
| 10:41.16 | Lachezar | Hmmm... dpkg died... Did I kill it by any chance? |
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| 10:41.24 | babilen | Lachezar: Looks as if the bot is dead, yeah. |
| 10:41.39 | babilen | Lachezar: No, don't worry. It is definitely unrelated to whatever you might have done. |
| 10:42.17 | babilen | Lachezar: You can use http://ircbots.debian.net/factoids/ in the meanwhile or wait for it to come back |
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| 10:42.43 | Lachezar | babilen: I am reluctant to try LXDE, but the fact that it's GTK based helps, since I'm Java based, and Java is GTK-only. |
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| 10:43.21 | jpinx | Lachezar: it is not difficult to change lxde later |
| 10:43.29 | babilen | Lachezar: XFCE would be an option too. I would personally go with wheezy /at this point in the release cycle/ -- Generally speaking the "Use stable and backports" mantra is what you should adhere to though. |
| 10:43.37 | jpinx | unlike trying to get out of gnome ;) |
| 10:44.01 | babilen | Lachezar: You might also be interested in http://debian-handbook.info/ which is a very good book about Debian |
| 10:44.14 | jpinx | Lachezar: stable with lxde is a perfect starting point from which to spring forward |
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| 10:45.11 | Lachezar | babilen: I'm on XFCE, and I must say I'm getting accustomed to it... |
| 10:45.42 | Lachezar | is still having problems with programs using GNOME-MM-Keys and not working well under XFCE. |
| 10:45.50 | jpinx | never sees his de |
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| 10:48.33 | ectospasm | jpinx: how do you manage that? A tiling WM with no hints that you're in X (like a panel)? |
| 10:49.39 | amgarching | Anyone savvy in GNU Make? I put a line into a makefile like this $(eval "fake: does-not-exist"). Then type "make fake" and get "No rule to make target `fake'". What am I doing wrong? |
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| 10:50.31 | ectospasm | amgarching: is there a rule with "fake:" at the beginning of a line? |
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| 10:50.59 | khem__ | Is there some nice way to convert 'aÃlready' installed RPMs to Deb? |
| 10:51.08 | amgarching | no, but see the string in $(eval "fake: ...") |
| 10:51.40 | babilen | amgarching: I would recommen ##workingset for questions like this. (not really a Debian issue, now is it?) |
| 10:51.48 | babilen | *recommend even |
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| 10:52.51 | kveroneau | I think there is a package on debian which can re-package an already installed package, and also package your current config... although i forgot what it was called of course. :( |
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| 10:53.54 | kveroneau | khem, if your willing to recompile(and have access to the source of course) you can use "checkinstall" on debian. |
| 10:54.28 | kveroneau | I recently compiled gtk2-oxygen-engine into a debian package, and it works perfectly. |
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| 10:55.02 | kveroneau | Compiling is usually as easy as reading an INSTALL file. Don't be afraid to compile a program. |
| 10:55.39 | ksuhku | amgarching, you could try #gnu |
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| 10:55.54 | babilen | I never understood why one would want to use checkinstall. It is typically used for "packaging" unpackaged software with the only benefit of easier removal. Tools such as stow solve that problem much more elegantly without resorting to the creation of packages that cause every DM or DD to cry. |
| 10:56.12 | ectospasm | khem__: there's also the alien package for converting .rpm to .deb |
| 10:56.51 | Camber | Hi guys, could someone help me install webalizer? I don't understand how to make the /webalizer URL active. |
| 10:57.30 | babilen | Camber: Did you read the documentation in /usr/share/doc/webalizer/ already? README.Debian in particular? (if it exists) |
| 10:57.56 | Camber | babilen: I did not... I didn't know there was such thing. Thanks :) |
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| 10:59.19 | babilen | Camber: /every/ package ships documentation in /usr/share/doc/$NAME_OF_THE_PACKAGE/ - README.Debian typically discusses configuration or other issues that are specific to Debian and you would typically also find further documentation (if available for that program) |
| 10:59.37 | Camber | Ok, thank you :) |
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| 11:00.40 | babilen | Camber: In particular /usr/share/doc/webalizer/examples/sample.conf.gz looks interesting -- I don't really know webalizer, but that would be the first place where I would look for inspiration on "What now?" |
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| 11:02.08 | Camber | Ok thanks. I did follow an install guide. But I think my issue may reside in how I have my website set up. I have a drupal install at /var/www/site, but webalizer is at /var/www/webalizer, and I think that may be outside of the web directory, but don't want to mix it in with my drupal files |
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| 11:03.14 | babilen | Camber: Is Drupal installed from the Debian package and configured accordingly? |
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| 11:03.45 | Camber | I really don't remember... it was a long time ago. |
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| 11:04.45 | Camber | I doubt I installed from a debian package. I think I just wget the installer |
| 11:04.54 | babilen | heh, okay :( |
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| 11:05.25 | _ingsoc | Does anyone have experience with openvpn? When I boot up and I'm not connected to the net, it stalls the boot for a long time (presumably trying to connect). Is it possible to shorten this time? |
| 11:05.41 | Camber | haha, is that the "you're hopeless" emoticon? :P I have to admit that I'm learning as I go :( |
| 11:05.46 | _ingsoc | I asked in #openvpn, and they said I should come here because it's an init script issues and that Debian init makes them cry. :( |
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| 11:06.53 | babilen | Camber: Well, you essentially have to configure your web server to serve /var/www/webalizer -- AFAICT webalizer generates output automagically (called from a cron script) based on the configuration in /etc/webalizer/webalizer.conf -- The format of the output if discussed in README.gz |
| 11:07.22 | ChrisH | _ingsoc: I run openvpn on different systems, server and client and I never saw that. Do you complain about a server or client? |
| 11:07.30 | pmo | that made me curious, why does debian have wp and drupal as packages? |
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| 11:07.50 | _ingsoc | ChrisH: Client. |
| 11:07.52 | Camber | babilen: ok thanks for the help :) |
| 11:08.24 | ChrisH | _ingsoc: and you start it from initscript? Let me quick check on of my OpenVPN clients doing the same |
| 11:08.25 | babilen | Camber: And if I read the postinst script correctly you are also asked a couple of question during the installation. That is used to tailor the configuration to your needs (e.g. HostName, OutputDir, ReportTitle and LogFile) |
| 11:08.56 | kveroneau | I'm also curious why Debian has packages for those. Since most ppl will want the latest stable from the developer. |
| 11:09.17 | Camber | Yes, I believe I have followed that correctly. I think the webalizer installation is fine, it's just my bad knowledge of how to set up the sites-available that may be my issue. |
| 11:09.22 | babilen | Camber: So, the question is rather: "How do I use $WEBSERVER to serve the HTML files (starting with index.html) located in webalizer's OutputDir on $URL ?" |
| 11:09.35 | Camber | babilen: Yeah i think you got it |
| 11:09.39 | kveroneau | Also, do those packages depend on a specific web server? Or will those packages work with an admins server of choice? |
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| 11:09.52 | pmo | with those 2 you do want from the dev, atleast with wp and its never ending vulns |
| 11:09.54 | _ingsoc | ChrisH: I just installend openvpn. I'm on sid. I just have a .conf file in /etc/openvpn. There's also /etc/openvpn/update-resolv-conf. |
| 11:10.17 | nkuttler | kveroneau: most web stuff is built to work with apache out of the box, but any other httpd will do |
| 11:10.28 | kveroneau | Pmo: LOL, I couldn't agree more |
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| 11:10.44 | Camber | babilen: I think the answer may be that I have to add another directory in sites-enabled/000-default for it |
| 11:10.49 | nkuttler | oh, you want an isolated vm for wp.. |
| 11:11.11 | kveroneau | I personally use Nginx and have been using it for many years now. |
| 11:11.28 | kveroneau | I find apache is getting a tad too bloated as of late. |
| 11:11.36 | babilen | Camber: Take a look at the configuration you have there and also read Apache's README.Debian (and documentation) ... You essentially want a virtualhost definition with a suitable DocumentRoot |
| 11:12.19 | pmo | lighttpd is nice too kveroneau |
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| 11:12.36 | bw_ | ligthy is pain |
| 11:12.37 | babilen | Camber: As you seem to have ventured out of Debian's standard configuration (with your third-party unsupported (by us!) Drupal installation) I can't necessarily talk you through that, but it shouldn't be that hard. You can also ask in #httpd if you have questions. |
| 11:12.41 | bw_ | nginx is nice! |
| 11:12.47 | Camber | Ok, I'll give that a read. Thanks :) In sites-enabled/000-default I have DocumentRoot /var/www/site - so I guess I have to find something in the documentation to also serve something outside of that directory |
| 11:12.49 | pmo | why is it a pain? |
| 11:13.58 | Camber | babilen: No worries. Thanks for all the help :) |
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| 11:15.03 | kveroneau | I can't say I have used lighttpd before, just heard of it. |
| 11:15.08 | nkuttler | is lighty even still maintained actively? |
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| 11:15.40 | ChrisH | _ingsoc: checked my squeeze box. I simply have a client.conf and it gets started during bootup. it gets started as S02openvpn in different runlevels |
| 11:15.53 | kveroneau | I use Nginx mainly because it has a module for the uWSGI protocol. |
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| 11:16.11 | kveroneau | I deploy mainly Python web apps. |
| 11:16.12 | bw_ | pmo: kinda strange config, especially for vhosts and in my exp it doesnt scale well with fcgi backends |
| 11:16.22 | babilen | Camber: You can have multiple sites (rather virtualhosts). The question is /where/ (as in "Which URL / port") do you serve it. Take a look at http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.2/vhosts/examples.html for some inspiration. I can't tell you how you want to organise your domains and URLs though -- A perfectly viable approach would be to have http://www.example.com/drupal and http://www.example.com/webalizer with the former being configured with a ... |
| 11:16.28 | babilen | ... DocumentRoot of /var/www/drupal and the latter with one of /var/www/webalizer - but I don't know if that is what you want. |
| 11:16.41 | pmo | bw_: so you would rather use apache? :) |
| 11:16.41 | babilen | Camber: Ok, that should be enough inspiration and reading material for now :) |
| 11:16.43 | _ingsoc | exit |
| 11:17.07 | bw_ | pmo: i prefer nginx for static content and uwsgi for backend |
| 11:17.30 | pmo | i said that it was also nice |
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| 11:18.28 | Camber | babilen: Thank you. That examples page is probably going to be the biggest help :) |
| 11:18.48 | babilen | Camber: Sure, no worries and have fun! |
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| 11:19.01 | bw_ | pmo: i'm just saying, i won't recommend lighty;) |
| 11:20.47 | jksnlee | I have an external monitor connecting to my t420s laptop. The external monitor's power is on, but when executing xrandr -q, console prints out vga1 disconnected. Any thing I may be missing? |
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| 11:22.26 | _ingsoc | ChrisH: I think it might have been the update-resolv-conf script. |
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| 11:22.38 | _ingsoc | ChrisH: I removed that from my .conf file. |
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| 11:23.23 | kveroneau | Try running xrandr --auto |
| 11:23.26 | DotHack | hey |
| 11:23.33 | DotHack | i have a weird gzip issue |
| 11:23.46 | kveroneau | It will automatically configure disabled outputs. |
| 11:23.51 | DotHack | i have this file, when i use gunzip it gives me an unexcpected end of file error |
| 11:24.23 | DotHack | when using zcat the complete file is outputted and at the end the unexpected end of file error occurs (but the file is complete) |
| 11:24.46 | DotHack | when trafering the file to windows (!sorry!) and using 7zip to file shows no errors... |
| 11:25.21 | ChrisH | _ingsoc: I run my own DNS on the openCPN client |
| 11:25.28 | kveroneau | jksnlee, run xrandr --auto to enable all currently disabled outputs. -q will only tell you the current state, and since VGA1 hasn't been enabled, it'll say disconnected |
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| 11:27.11 | kveroneau | jksnlee, you can also restart the X Server to have it auto-detect and enable detected screens. |
| 11:27.53 | jksnlee | kveroneau: thanks. let me restart right now. |
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| 11:28.26 | kveroneau | Here is an example command: xrandr --output LVDS --auto --rotate normal --pos 0x0 --output VGA --auto --rotate left --right-of LVDS |
| 11:29.50 | kveroneau | This can tell the X Server the exact placement of the screen, put it into a script file and customize. Then run whenever you need to connect the monitor when your still working. |
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| 11:34.43 | jpinx | ectospasm: fwiw I undecorate the windows and use Alt-Tab, Ctrl-Tab, etc |
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| 12:15.07 | ondrejk | hi, is there any code review tool available in stable repository? |
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| 12:16.17 | Nik05 | ondrejk: what kind of review tool? |
| 12:16.55 | ondrejk | Nik05: tool for code review |
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| 12:17.03 | zw | Hi. |
| 12:17.05 | zw | I'm rsyncing a directory with files from server A to server B with rsync. On server B the connection string in a file has been changed. Is there a way to config rsync not to overwrite the file on server B, as it is newer than the file on server A ? |
| 12:17.26 | ondrejk | when any developer do some change, another developer will have to review this change, there's e.g. codestriker but it's not available in repos |
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| 12:18.26 | Nik05 | ondrejk: git, cvs, subversion etc |
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| 12:19.27 | ondrejk | Nik05: those are tools for something else |
| 12:19.32 | ondrejk | we're already using git |
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| 12:20.22 | ondrejk | git is not about code review, it's about version controlling |
| 12:20.35 | Nik05 | oh i understand what you want |
| 12:20.38 | Nik05 | sorry no idea |
| 12:21.50 | ondrejk | Nik05: that's ok, still thanks for trying to help :) |
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| 12:23.24 | Iridos | ondrejk, well... http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=414320 |
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| 12:28.24 | Iridos | zw, man rsync /newer (search for newer with /) ? |
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| 12:30.33 | claint | ondrejk: are you looking for something in stable? |
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| 12:37.22 | claint | ondrejk: trac-git comes to mind, but it was kind of lacking several years ago. there is a guy on github that packages gerrit(aka rietveld clone) for debian, but I never tested it. codestriker or barkeep some others, which you would have to set up yourself, i think. |
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| 12:38.51 | claint | *are some other options |
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| 12:44.25 | verysoftoiletppr | hi |
| 12:44.34 | verysoftoiletppr | I'm trying to install fail2ban with apt-get but I get this error message: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5584995/ |
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| 12:45.20 | ectospasm | jpinx: I was just curious, as I use XMonad... I recommend you check out tiling window managers if you like to navigate everything with the keyboard. |
| 12:45.38 | nkuttler | verysoftoiletppr: umm. ls -ld /var/lib/dpkg/info/ ? |
| 12:45.47 | ectospasm | XMonad is a steep learning curve due to the configuration being written in Haskel |
| 12:45.54 | ectospasm | s/l$/ll/ |
| 12:46.18 | claint | ectospasm: it is not too bad if you take your friends config and go from there though. |
| 12:46.50 | ectospasm | claint: no, that's true. I essentially did that with the sample config. |
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| 12:47.12 | jpinx | ectospasm: bleh ;) |
| 12:47.17 | ectospasm | I have a fairly involved configuration. |
| 12:47.22 | icesword | HELLO |
| 12:47.24 | jpinx | sounds like a headache ;) |
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| 12:47.36 | ectospasm | jpinx: XMonad is a headache |
| 12:47.42 | ectospasm | I don't leave it because of sunk costs |
| 12:47.47 | jpinx | ectospasm: any idiots guide you might recommend ? |
| 12:48.03 | icesword | does debian have a live cd? |
| 12:48.10 | ectospasm | jpinx: no, no idiot's guide to speak of |
| 12:48.14 | icesword | no? |
| 12:48.24 | ectospasm | dpkg, tell icesword -about livecd |
| 12:48.30 | jpinx | icesword: yes |
| 12:48.42 | verysoftoiletppr | nkuttler ls: cannot access /var/lib/dpkg/info/: No such file or directory |
| 12:48.57 | verysoftoiletppr | it seems I can't install any package. To give you a bit more of context, the server is running all the time and it never broke until yesterday. Today I had to restart the server, because it was non responsive, and now I have this problem. |
| 12:48.59 | jpinx | ectospasm: ok - I'll take a look, but I am more of a user than a configurer ;) |
| 12:49.20 | nkuttler | verysoftoiletppr: well, restore the dir from backups |
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| 12:49.36 | nkuttler | verysoftoiletppr: and fire whoever removed it. and probably reinstall just to be safe.. |
| 12:49.38 | verysoftoiletppr | nkuttler which backups lol |
| 12:50.03 | verysoftoiletppr | nkuttler the only person with access to the sever is me |
| 12:50.14 | verysoftoiletppr | oh wait |
| 12:50.22 | verysoftoiletppr | I remember now |
| 12:50.34 | verysoftoiletppr | I accidentally rmoved that dir |
| 12:50.37 | ectospasm | jpinx: that's good, because you're essentially a Haskell hacker configuring XMonad (-; |
| 12:50.43 | verysoftoiletppr | And I thought to myself "fuck" |
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| 12:51.01 | ectospasm | Oh, user << configurer << hacker << leetlord |
| 12:51.05 | nkuttler | verysoftoiletppr: you might be able to restore it by reinstalling each and every package.. |
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| 12:51.19 | verysoftoiletppr | nkuttler is there a command for that? |
| 12:51.27 | icesword | ok |
| 12:51.39 | nkuttler | verysoftoiletppr: well, using dpkg -l output comes to mind |
| 12:52.01 | Iridos | dpkg, reinstall |
| 12:52.01 | dpkg | hmm... reinstall is aptitude reinstall '~i' ; or COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l | awk '/^[hi]i/{print $2}' | xargs apt-get -y --reinstall install, or dpkg --get-selections > my_packages.txt , then later, dpkg --set-selections < my_packages.txt && apt-get install . See also <aptitude clone>, <debian clone>. |
| 12:52.05 | Iridos | verysoftoiletppr, ^^^ |
| 12:52.06 | nkuttler | there we go |
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| 12:52.27 | icesword | what can you do, if live cd didn't boot, and gave you a shell, saying can't mount the loop |
| 12:52.36 | ectospasm | jpinx: if I ever lost my XMonad configuration (and all of my backups), I'd use i3wm. |
| 12:52.42 | blubberdiblub | he will have to mkdir /var/lib/dpkg/info/ first, tho |
| 12:52.55 | jpinx | ectospasm: what about openbox ? |
| 12:53.39 | ectospasm | jpinx: that's one too, but I haven't used it. |
| 12:53.49 | jpinx | ectospasm: I had openbox in a vm and it was a good compromise of kbd and mouse input |
| 12:53.53 | icesword | hi hi |
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| 12:54.53 | jpinx | icesword: check that your bios is set to allow you to boot from the media your live cd is on |
| 12:55.16 | Towzzer | icesworld, also sometimes there is a key you can press to get a boot me nu |
| 12:55.17 | icesword | sure it is |
| 12:55.40 | jpinx | icesword: sure what is what ? |
| 12:55.42 | icesword | boot from cd |
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| 12:55.52 | icesword | choose live cd |
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| 12:56.07 | icesword | there it goes |
| 12:56.27 | Towzzer | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:56.28 | icesword | then drop to a shell |
| 12:56.52 | icesword | can't mount the loop |
| 12:56.59 | icesword | what! |
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| 12:57.33 | jpinx | icesword: if it drops you into a shell, can you work from the commandline ? |
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| 12:57.54 | jksnlee | Thanks now I can detect/ connect to external monitor, but by switching to use dvi (or d-sub?) instead of display port |
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| 12:58.18 | icesword | and i know shit of command line, have to press the reset button |
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| 12:58.48 | jksnlee | one more question. when switching to higher resolution e.g. xrandr --output VGA -s 1920x1200 |
| 12:59.13 | verysoftoiletppr | nkuttler isn't there a recycle bin alternative to rm? |
| 12:59.25 | jpinx | icesword: I'd re-download the livecd and reburn it as a first step to debg this |
| 12:59.26 | jksnlee | the screen resolution is changed, but seems that the application can only occupy 1/4 of the monitor. |
| 12:59.34 | jksnlee | what might go wrong? |
| 12:59.51 | jpinx | jksnlee: are you using xrandr ? |
| 12:59.52 | nkuttler | verysoftoiletppr: if you use a gui.. |
| 13:00.01 | verysoftoiletppr | nk I don't |
| 13:00.05 | jksnlee | jpinx: yes |
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| 13:00.31 | jksnlee | i ran xrandr --output VGA -s 1920x1200 for example |
| 13:00.38 | nkuttler | verysoftoiletppr: you also were root when you broke this. learn to respect the powers that come with that |
| 13:00.42 | jpinx | jksnlee: something like xrandr --output LVDS1 --mode 1024x600 |
| 13:00.58 | icesword | how is the cd broken, i burnt it, then checked the secret code one letter by one it's same |
| 13:01.01 | jksnlee | now the application e.g. browser only occupy part of the screen |
| 13:01.16 | verysoftoiletppr | nkuttler even root makes mistakes |
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| 13:01.17 | jksnlee | the rest of area in screen is my wallpaper. |
| 13:01.26 | jpinx | jksnlee: why -s ? |
| 13:01.26 | nkuttler | verysoftoiletppr: that's why you make backups |
| 13:01.54 | jksnlee | sorry wrong command |
| 13:01.57 | jksnlee | it's xrandr --output VGA1 --mode 1920x1200 |
| 13:02.22 | jpinx | jksnlee: go to the maximum available to you shown by xrandr |
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| 13:02.50 | icesword | hi hi hi |
| 13:02.54 | verysoftoiletppr | nkuttler the reason I don't is someone in ubuntu or linux recommended me only only to backup user data. the system was not important, I could reinstall everything easily.. |
| 13:03.12 | Iridos | verysoftoiletppr, sure, you can do that :) |
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| 13:03.19 | nkuttler | verysoftoiletppr: why do you ask #ubuntu for support if you're on debian? |
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| 13:03.39 | nkuttler | verysoftoiletppr: and yes, you can just reinstall, but if you backup user data anyway / doesn't seem like a big deal |
| 13:03.47 | jksnlee | 1920x1200 is already the max one. |
| 13:03.50 | jpinx | smells an ooboontoo yoo sir |
| 13:04.07 | verysoftoiletppr | nkuttler what you should be asking is why do I ask #debian for support when I'm running ubuntu :P |
| 13:04.21 | jpinx | jksnlee: then I am out of ideas - sorry. I suggest you dive into man xrandr ;) |
| 13:04.23 | nkuttler | jpinx: well, it started with < verysoftoiletppr> I'm trying to install fail2ban with apt-get but I get this error message: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5584995/ |
| 13:04.36 | jpinx | nkuttler: heh |
| 13:04.39 | nkuttler | verysoftoiletppr: fuck off |
| 13:04.57 | jpinx | nkuttler: adds a size 12 |
| 13:04.58 | icesword | ubuntu uses naked woman hips for advertise, don't they |
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| 13:05.20 | jksnlee | jpinx: thanks for the help. i appreciate it. : ) |
| 13:05.23 | verysoftoiletppr | nkuttler it was a compliment |
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| 13:06.00 | jksnlee | will check more info to see if anything can fix this. |
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| 13:06.45 | jpinx | jksnlee: what desktop ? |
| 13:06.48 | icesword | dpkg, how do you make live cd work |
| 13:06.48 | dpkg | bugger all, i dunno, icesword |
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| 13:07.05 | jksnlee | i use NOTion as my window manager. |
| 13:07.32 | jpinx | jksnlee: can you leftclick a window and move it into the area currently unused ? |
| 13:07.53 | icesword | !can't mount the loop |
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| 13:08.15 | jpinx | icesword: did you recreate your media yet ? |
| 13:08.19 | jksnlee | no. it doesn't work. |
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| 13:08.40 | icesword | why? the cd is good |
| 13:09.02 | jpinx | jksnlee: you might be up against your windows manager limitation |
| 13:09.25 | jpinx | icesword: and the titanic was unsinkable -- now recreate the cd |
| 13:09.44 | jksnlee | i see. let me check if i can adjust wm's setting. |
| 13:09.50 | jksnlee | thanks. : ) |
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| 13:19.27 | verysoftoiletppr | Iridos http://hastebin.com/raw/curadiqewi |
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| 13:20.40 | verysoftoiletppr | http://hastebin.com/curadiqewi |
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| 13:20.57 | verysoftoiletppr | it downloads the packages |
| 13:21.01 | verysoftoiletppr | but nothing is installed |
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| 13:21.48 | setuid | Any ETA on when the .debian.org sites will be back up? (security.debian.org, ftp.debian.org, backports.debian.org, etc.) been down for 3-4 days. |
| 13:21.56 | setuid | Other sites are working fine, just not those |
| 13:21.59 | setuid | so apt-get fails |
| 13:22.10 | nkuttler | !tell verysoftoiletppr about ubuntu |
| 13:22.13 | setuid | <PROTECTED> |
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| 13:22.39 | setuid | Failed to fetch http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/dists/squeeze/contrib/binary-amd64/Packages Cannot initiate the connection to ftp.us.debian.org:80 (2610:148:1f10:3::89) |
| 13:22.42 | setuid | ..and so on |
| 13:22.54 | verysoftoiletppr | nkuttler let's pretend I'm running debian |
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| 13:23.22 | babilen | verysoftoiletppr: No, #debian only supports Debian (and users of Debian) for a number of technical and social reasons. |
| 13:23.52 | verysoftoiletppr | :( |
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| 13:24.19 | babilen | setuid: http://backports-master.debian.org/ http://www.debian.org/security/ and http://ftp.us.debian.org all work fine here |
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| 13:24.29 | jelly | setuid: security.debian.org works for me on both ipv4 and ipv6 |
| 13:24.31 | babilen | verysoftoiletppr: Install Debian and enjoy support in here. |
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| 13:24.43 | verysoftoiletppr | babilen I will do that next time |
| 13:24.44 | babilen | setuid: As does the security.debian.org repository |
| 13:25.45 | jelly | setuid: security.debian.org has these IPv6 addresses: 2001:a78:5:0:216:35ff:fe7f:be4f, 2001:a78:5:1:216:35ff:fe7f:6ceb, 2001:8d8:580:400:6564:a62:0:2 |
| 13:25.57 | jelly | setuid: something's wrong with your resolver |
| 13:26.18 | Pieplay | I need to prove that I can work with a terminal for school, I'd like that everything I see gets into a file, not only in or output, how do I do this? |
| 13:26.21 | babilen | setuid: It looks like a problem with your network ("Network is unreachable") and its configuration. Would you mind elaborating on your setup? |
| 13:26.37 | babilen | Pieplay: Use script(1) |
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| 13:26.49 | setuid | Looks fine for thousands of other sites pulled to and from here, my resolver, DNS, network is fine. |
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| 13:27.02 | setuid | Unless upstream provider decided to start blocking/blackholing ftp:// |
| 13:27.16 | jelly | setuid: care to pastebin the output of "dig +trace security.debian.org AAAA" ? |
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| 13:27.34 | Pieplay | thanks, reading the man page now |
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| 13:29.38 | setuid | jelly: http://pastebin.com/F9eJt1xz |
| 13:29.40 | setuid | blank |
| 13:29.56 | jelly | blink |
| 13:30.01 | Pieplay | wow it logged all my keypresses (backspace) aswell, got to be carefull with script(1) |
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| 13:30.27 | jelly | setuid: which caching dns server do you run on 127.0.0.1? |
| 13:30.37 | setuid | Nothing |
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| 13:30.40 | setuid | I run bind there |
| 13:30.42 | setuid | bind9 |
| 13:31.01 | Dagger2 | setuid: could you pastebin the output of `wget -O/dev/null http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/dists/squeeze/contrib/binary-amd64/Packages`? |
| 13:31.08 | setuid | That configuration hasn't changed in ~10 years |
| 13:31.11 | jelly | setuid: is it configured to allow recursive queries? What's in your /etc/resolv.conf? |
| 13:31.13 | setuid | other than adding new hosts |
| 13:31.18 | setuid | This all stopped working 3-4 days ago |
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| 13:34.11 | setuid | Hrm, veddy interestingÂ… the very first IP in resolve.conf is my upstream router, 192.168.1.254, which shouldn't be there. I never added that. I just ripped it out and chatter +i'd that file. |
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| 13:34.19 | setuid | Now apt-get update is working |
| 13:34.41 | setuid | My next-hop router should NEVER be in /etc/resolv.conf |
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| 13:35.16 | jelly | setuid: are you running a dhcp client? |
| 13:35.28 | setuid | No, static hosts |
| 13:35.35 | setuid | They've always been static, for 10+ years |
| 13:35.37 | jelly | resolvconf support for dchp clients would add that |
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| 13:38.14 | Dagger2 | there's still the open question of how the system was still able to look up the v6 addresses of security.debian.org but not the v4 ones (which is what I assume was happening), but oh well |
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| 13:39.56 | mactimes | Hello, everyone. What book would you guys recommend to cover from basics to advanced topics on regular expressions? |
| 13:39.59 | purut | hi |
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| 13:40.28 | mactimes | Any other resource, as long as it is *complete* would do too. |
| 13:40.52 | setuid | Does anyone else block bing.com outright on their web server? |
| 13:41.01 | babilen | mactimes: You might want to ask #regex |
| 13:41.08 | setuid | Bing is a long-time, known abuser of robots.txt, parsing and ignoring it, and then hammering the server |
| 13:41.17 | mimorek | mactimes: http://www.grymoire.com/Unix/Regular.html |
| 13:41.20 | setuid | So I block them outright, ~585 unique IPs they come in from |
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| 13:41.30 | mimorek | to get you started |
| 13:41.41 | purut | did anyone experienced weird mouse pointer problem? |
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| 13:42.23 | mactimes | babilen Since *regular expressions* sometimes are not _that_ regular and can vary a bit, I was sort of looking for something 100% compatible with Debian environments. But, sure, I'll take a look there, so. Thanks. |
| 13:42.30 | mactimes | mimorek Thank you. |
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| 13:43.27 | mimorek | :) |
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| 13:44.25 | ph_ | hi guys, does anyone know where debian stores the proxy when you set it during the installation ? |
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| 13:45.08 | babilen | ph_: Not sure, but /etc/apt/apt.conf or in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/ comes to mind |
| 13:45.40 | babilen | ph_: It also honours http_proxy (and other *_proxy environment variables) |
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| 13:45.51 | ksuhku | mactimes, there's also something in man 7 regex |
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| 13:49.14 | purut | i found this : Option "HWCursor" "Off" |
| 13:49.28 | purut | but it didn't work for me |
| 13:49.44 | jelly | mactimes: "debian environments" are not even compatible within themselves, you have GNU grep and sed and awk, mawk, TCL, Perl, Python 2.6 - 3.2, Ruby, each has slightly different features and syntax |
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| 13:50.03 | mactimes | ksuhku Thank you! |
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| 13:50.29 | tuxhat | hmm |
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| 13:50.35 | jelly | did I forget PCRE? Yes. Probably dozens more. |
| 13:51.27 | mactimes | jelly Sure. That's why I'm sort of trying to cover most bases I can, for people trying to use regex under a Debian environment. I was just looking for advice from more experienced people. ;-) |
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| 13:54.25 | jksnlee_ | Finally get screen resolution resetting working. In addition to xrandr configuration, window manager also needs some adjusting as well because it sticks to the previous setting when system was up. |
| 13:54.40 | claint | mactimes: what are you going to use regexp's for? |
| 13:54.47 | jksnlee_ | Thanks for pointing to the right direction. I really appreciate it : ) |
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| 13:57.08 | jelly | mactimes: you'll want to focus on each particular implementation. Eg. if your people are going to use Perl, then learn about Perl RE. |
| 13:57.09 | colo-work | what's the authoritative resource on how to configure Debian's networking to use VLAN-tags on an ethernet interface? |
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| 13:57.58 | jelly | colo-work: man vlan-interfaces |
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| 13:58.29 | jelly | colo-work: (available in package "vlan") |
| 13:59.19 | jelly | basically, just replace interface name with name.vlanid in interfaces(5) and ifupdown will do the right thing |
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| 14:00.27 | colo-work | jelly, thanks |
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| 14:03.46 | Pex- | Hey, does anybody know if there is a version of Debian that can run on a Nexus 7? |
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| 14:04.11 | mactimes | claint General purpose. Just want to train people in my company (not _everyone_, of course) and make them ready for general-purpose usage of Regex, with the tools they need. Since each of them use different tools, for different purposes. |
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| 14:04.44 | claint | mactimes: then you might go with the posix standard regex, if it is for general learning. |
| 14:05.04 | claint | most unix utilities conform to the posix standard now. |
| 14:05.22 | mactimes | claint Thank you for the advice. I'll try to focus on that only, at least in this very beginning of the training. |
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| 14:05.49 | ghost75 | bluez-simple-agent is same as bluetooth-agent ? |
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| 14:07.37 | ChrisH | looks like I need to reboot today after an apt-get upgrade on my squeeze. First time to reboot for this year, uptime 119 days. |
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| 14:09.23 | claint | mactimes: Natural Language Processing classes (or sometimes automaton classes) also cover the topic, so it is a place to direct people as well, e.g. https://class.coursera.org/nlp/lecture/preview |
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| 14:15.01 | mactimes | claint Thank you. I'll dive into that too. At a first look, it seems to cover very well the topics required for these users to start learning a language other than their native ones. Thank you very much for the resource. |
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| 14:28.00 | ksk | hey. |
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| 14:29.12 | ksk | is it possible to change the netmask of an ip on an active interface using ip? i can do this using "ifconfig netmask $foo" but as far as i get this ifconfig is only v4 aware (or not fully v6 aware?) |
| 14:29.56 | BeWilled | Hello, smb client does not seem to be working correctly on Debian Wheezy, anyway to reinstall everything to see if it fixes? |
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| 14:30.55 | colo-work | apt-get install --reinstall <packages> |
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| 14:34.43 | _bart | When I see '[firefox-bin] <defunct>', does this mean it has crashed? |
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| 14:35.27 | Towzzer | ksk, I think you can do both but the netmask would be different for ip4 and ip6 |
| 14:35.33 | Towzzer | so you couldn't do one line |
| 14:35.33 | dawud | ksk: man ip-address, usually ip addr add x.x.x.x/xx broadcast y.y.y.y dev ethX |
| 14:38.01 | ksk | dawud: i want to CHANGE an ip. not add ( your example tells someone: RTNETLINK answers: File exists ) |
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| 14:38.30 | ksk | and man ip-address does not even mention change or replace |
| 14:38.31 | dawud | ksk: flush and then add |
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| 14:39.12 | ksk | so all my services will die? sounds not too cool. |
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| 14:40.12 | dawud | ksk: if you're going to change the netmask, you can expect some downtime |
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| 14:40.36 | Towzzer | the switch has to re-learn which mac is associated with the new ip |
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| 14:41.37 | Pei | LOO! |
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| 14:42.47 | Pei | :) |
| 14:43.02 | Pei | what's up guys |
| 14:43.16 | ksk | do i get this right you have the possibility to "flush" every address on dev ethX or none? |
| 14:43.17 | Pei | besides helpin linux ppl |
| 14:43.26 | Pieplay | On the script (1), how do I make it to not write down arrowkeys and backspaces as signs |
| 14:43.27 | Dagger2 | Usage: ip addr {add|change|replace} IFADDR dev STRING [ LIFETIME ] [ CONFFLAG-LIST ] |
| 14:44.29 | ksk | yes, Dagger2? |
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| 14:45.02 | ksk | i dont want to sound disrespectful but i have read the manpages and tried using the scheme that is describe in them ;) |
| 14:45.03 | Dagger2 | I'm not sure if you can use `ip addr change` to change the netmask though, or if it only lets you change the lifetime and flags. from the help, it looks like there'd be no syntax for changing the netmask |
| 14:45.18 | Dagger2 | you can also remove individual addresses with `ip addr del`, and then readd them with the new netmask |
| 14:45.39 | ksk | mhhhm, guess that will be it. thanks for you rtime |
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| 14:46.53 | Pieplay | oh wait I read that less (1) can process it |
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| 14:47.12 | Dagger2 | well, you can claim you read the manpage all you want, but `ip addr change` isn't in the manpage :p |
| 14:47.18 | Dagger2 | or at least it isn't in my version of it |
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| 14:48.01 | ksk | you are right, it is not. |
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| 14:48.44 | ksk | but it is possible to use ifonfig to change the netmask of an v4-IP on a running device - so I just naivly thought this would have done it to the v6 world |
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| 14:50.40 | killermoehre | hi. my exim4 on squeeze refuses to send mail with »root@ETC_MAILNAME - malformed address: _MAILNAME may not follow root@ETC«. in /etc/mailname is the FQDN included. what can I do else? |
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| 14:51.43 | Dagger2 | to be fair, it's pretty rare that you'd ever need to change the subnet of an IP in v6 |
| 14:51.48 | Dagger2 | since you just use /64 everywhere |
| 14:51.49 | ksk | "root@ETC_MAILNAME" seems not to be a vaild mailaddress? |
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| 14:52.39 | killermoehre | ksk: well, yes. that's the problem |
| 14:52.55 | ksk | you think it should be valid? |
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| 14:53.21 | killermoehre | ksk: no, I think exim4 doesn't substitute the name right with my hostname |
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| 15:11.30 | ion_ | My installer is broken, I tryed to use apt-get install -f but didn't work. |
| 15:11.56 | ion_ | the broken package is pygame |
| 15:12.27 | ion_ | I found the it with aptitude but I can't remove |
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| 15:12.45 | ion_ | any idea what do I have to do ? |
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| 15:13.35 | jpinx | ion_: install from where ? |
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| 15:14.00 | ion_ | jpix: I used dpkg to do it ... |
| 15:14.12 | ion_ | jpix: I gonna put my output no pastbin... |
| 15:14.14 | jpinx | to do what ? |
| 15:14.56 | ion_ | jpix: to develop games but now I want put anymore, I just want to restore my system... |
| 15:15.01 | basiclaser | hi guys, im setting up a dual boot between debian and OSX, using refit and lilo. i tried to install debian but it said there was an issue with some setting. which flags should i give debian, OSX and refit partitions? i would like the mac to autoboot to debian |
| 15:15.14 | ion_ | jpix: my files is much more important... |
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| 15:16.38 | ksuhku | !br |
| 15:16.38 | dpkg | Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 15:16.44 | jpinx | ion_: I am guessing you got a .deb from somewhere and tried to force dpkg ot apt-get to install it ? |
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| 15:18.06 | basiclaser | hi guys, im setting up a dual boot between debian and OSX, using refit and lilo. i tried to install debian but it said there was an issue with some setting. which flags should i give debian, OSX and refit partitions? i would like the mac to autoboot to debian |
| 15:18.10 | ion_ | jpix: I didn't force I tryed just once and then my installter crashed ... |
| 15:18.55 | babilen | ion_: I can't find a "pygame" package in Debian. Are you sure that you are using Debian? And if you are sure: Where is that package from? Could you provide the actual output you refer to along with that of "apt-cache policy pygame ; apt-cache policy" and your /etc/apt/sources.list on http://paste.debian.net ? |
| 15:19.17 | jpinx | ion_: the command you copied in here was -f |
| 15:19.24 | ion_ | jpix:http://pastebin.com/uBaPtth8 |
| 15:19.25 | babilen | ion_: Are you referring to python3-pygame? |
| 15:19.51 | babilen | ion_: Please don't use pastebin.com (it mangles input and is horribly ad-ridden, ugly and causes bad breath) |
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| 15:20.13 | ion_ | babilen: sorry man .. |
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| 15:20.45 | babilen | ion_: Ok, please provide your sources.list and the output of "apt-cache policy python-pygame ; apt-cache policy" on http://paste.debian.net :) |
| 15:20.50 | Pei | does http://theb0x.org show up right for anyone else? |
| 15:21.08 | jelly | Pei: http://downforeveryoneorjustme.com/theb0x.org |
| 15:21.16 | Pei | i mean the text in the article |
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| 15:21.28 | Pei | no i know it's up |
| 15:21.35 | babilen | Pei: I can read the URL, but please don't ask people to open random links in here. You can also use ^^^ to check if the website is down or not. |
| 15:21.37 | Pei | i just wanna know if it displays right |
| 15:21.37 | jpinx | ion_: it tells you in there that the version of python is causing a dependency problem |
| 15:21.54 | jelly | yes, there's a paragraph of text visible |
| 15:22.06 | jpinx | Pei - take it somewhere else unless you have a debian question |
| 15:22.06 | ion_ | jpix:yes, now I just want restore my sytem..that's alll |
| 15:22.09 | Pei | it's my site so itt;'s not really random |
| 15:22.11 | Pei | wow |
| 15:22.13 | Pei | jeez thanks |
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| 15:22.25 | Pei | thought we were friends here |
| 15:22.42 | jpinx | Pei: random urls are not friendly |
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| 15:23.17 | Pei | it's not random, it's mine! |
| 15:23.28 | Pei | not like i;m asking you to open the devils website |
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| 15:23.39 | Pei | although that might be cool ;) |
| 15:23.51 | jelly | Pei: his point is we can't know what's there |
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| 15:23.54 | jpinx | pei: yes it is random - it's yours - not mine or anyone else's here |
| 15:23.57 | bleutyler | It is random to us Pei. |
| 15:24.00 | Pei | oh |
| 15:24.01 | Pei | okay |
| 15:24.08 | Pei | understood.. |
| 15:24.13 | Pei | apologizes |
| 15:24.43 | ion_ | babilen: I tryed to use debian's pastebin but didn't work... |
| 15:24.52 | bleutyler | No worries, IRC is new to us all. PS. theb0x.org seems fine, your Joomla installation seems to have worked |
| 15:24.56 | babilen | ion_: Please elaborate on that. What didn't work about it? |
| 15:24.58 | bleutyler | but how is it a debian question? |
| 15:25.42 | jpinx | ion_: you might need to apt-get remove a few things to restore your system |
| 15:25.43 | jpinx | ion_: the commnd you posted ^^ was to *force* an install -- not a good idea |
| 15:25.55 | babilen | ion_: You can also use gist.github.com or https://www.refheap.com/paste or ... |
| 15:26.14 | babilen | jpinx: "apt-get -f install" == Fix dependencies |
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| 15:27.15 | jpinx | babilen: my bad ;) |
| 15:27.36 | babilen | np |
| 15:28.08 | jpinx | man aptitude to find the force option |
| 15:28.08 | ion_ | babilen: https://www.refheap.com/paste/12084 |
| 15:28.10 | babilen | ion_: I would even open another pastebin.com URL (if I really have to), but then .. plenty of people use http://paste.debian.net and you should be able too. |
| 15:28.27 | Pei | why am i banned on channel. |
| 15:28.32 | Pei | hrm |
| 15:28.45 | basiclaser | hi guys, im setting up a dual boot between debian and OSX, using refit and lilo. i tried to install debian but it said there was an issue with some setting. which flags should i give debian, OSX and refit partitions? i would like the mac to autoboot to debian |
| 15:29.01 | babilen | ion_: You are not using Debian, but a (probably unhealthy) mixture of Mint and Ubuntu. Ask in their channels for support ... |
| 15:29.05 | Pei | basheater: SOME setting? |
| 15:29.06 | Pei | heh |
| 15:29.07 | babilen | dpkg: tell ion_ -about mint |
| 15:29.10 | jpinx | ion_: what version of ubuntu are you running ? |
| 15:29.10 | babilen | dpkg: tell ion_ -about ubuntu |
| 15:29.33 | jpinx | heh - snap babilen ;) |
| 15:29.37 | babilen | ion_: I reckon that Mint doesn't support being mixed with Ubuntu in that way (or the other way round, but I wouldn't know as this is #debian) |
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| 15:29.49 | babilen | Pei: Which channel? |
| 15:30.19 | Pei | oh, not this one.. it won;t let me change my nick since i'm on #archlinux |
| 15:30.36 | babilen | Pei: And how is /that/ a #debian problem? |
| 15:30.42 | Pei | i dun really need to change my nick tho |
| 15:30.47 | cardamon | Can I run nm-applet without a systray? Does it need to be running all the time to maintain the connection? |
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| 15:31.08 | Pei | it;s not, i had shutup about it, you're the one who asked me to elaborate ;) |
| 15:31.31 | ion_ | babilen: I know babilen but you guys have batter technical level therefore I'm here..is because in my laptop so is much easier to install. |
| 15:31.37 | Pei | i just didn't notice it was another channel when i said that |
| 15:31.41 | babilen | cardamon: network-manager can maintain connections just fine even without X running and it will indeed initiate system connections ("Available to all users") on boot. |
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| 15:32.47 | ion_ | babilen: you right in what you're saying I shouldn't be here..but I need solve my problem I'm worried about my files...would be to complicated reinstall it again.. |
| 15:32.47 | babilen | ion_: Well, install and use Debian if you want support in here. See "/msg dpkg install wheezy" and "/msg dpkg firmware images wheezy" for instructions. #debian quite intentionally /only/ supports pure Debian for a number of technical and social reasons. |
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| 15:33.02 | Pei | is there a "command" to select desktop enviromnents, for example, if I want to change to lxde from gnome, what's the best way to go about it |
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| 15:33.29 | Pei | i know in slackware you have to change symlinks |
| 15:34.01 | babilen | Pei: How do you start X and how do you select your DE now? |
| 15:34.24 | Pei | it starts when it boots |
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| 15:35.12 | babilen | Pei: Such functionality is typically supported by your display manager or you can peruse the alternative system via "update-alternatives --config x-session-manager" (and/or x-window-manager) |
| 15:35.21 | cardamon | babilen: Thanks. |
| 15:35.21 | babilen | Pei: What starts? |
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| 15:37.30 | somiaj | on debian ~/.xsession is read for the 'default' session in the display managers, and you can just put in custom commands to run when x is started, which is what I use to configure what WM is launched. <-- Pei |
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| 15:38.49 | Pei | and does anyone know what command starts lxde' |
| 15:39.01 | babilen | (lacking a ~/.xsesssion /etc/X11/Xsession is used) |
| 15:39.16 | Pei | :) thanks guys |
| 15:39.31 | somiaj | I'm surprised lxde dose not set up a session that your display manager can see, have you looked in your sessions |
| 15:39.48 | somiaj | I forget the binary that actuall starts the desktop though, maybe hit lxde<tab><tab> |
| 15:39.52 | babilen | Pei: What starts during boot? Are you using a display manager such as gdm3? (a graphical login window in which you have to enter your user and password?) |
| 15:40.03 | Pei | yeh gdm3 |
| 15:40.25 | somiaj | have you tried to pick the session gdm3 launches, I would be surprised if lxde is not there |
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| 15:40.38 | babilen | Pei: So, select your user and then select which session you want to start. gdm3 defaults to starting the session that you selected priviously. |
| 15:40.39 | babilen | previosuly |
| 15:40.43 | babilen | gives up |
| 15:40.48 | Pei | thanks\ |
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| 15:43.28 | cardamon | babilen: You're a good man. |
| 15:43.40 | Pei | he can be |
| 15:43.45 | babilen | tips his had |
| 15:44.00 | babilen | Pei: "can" ? |
| 15:44.00 | babilen | hat! |
| 15:44.03 | Pei | ehehe |
| 15:44.08 | babilen | I think I need a coffee ... See you peeps later :) |
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| 15:49.09 | Pei | hey does anyone know how to get the look and feel in lxde setup to where when you close a dialog window it "burns" it away with the fire? |
| 15:49.34 | Pei | i can ask in lxde channel i guess |
| 15:49.53 | Pei | i was just wondering if anyone could save me a server change |
| 15:50.17 | Kaurin | This is not exactly a debian specific question, but some of you might know how to help me out. I have just copied 250GB via NFS to a different host. Why don't I get the same sizes with du - bs or du -s for the copied directory? No, the files on that directory were not being used at the time of and after copying. |
| 15:50.28 | jpinx | Pei: time to learn how to keep channels open in more than one server |
| 15:50.43 | Kaurin | Also: no errors |
| 15:50.50 | arvind_k | Hi, I am running squeeze and exim4, and I see a process entry like this, usr/sbin/exim4 -MCS -MCP -MCQ 21833 5 -MC remote_smtp mta7.am0.yahoodns.net 98.136.216.26 6 1UCLHt-00. What does it mean? |
| 15:50.54 | jpinx | Kaurin: what did you use to copy it |
| 15:51.00 | Kaurin | cp -pr |
| 15:51.18 | Kaurin | something tells me i should have used rsync |
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| 15:51.24 | jpinx | yes |
| 15:51.28 | Kaurin | crap |
| 15:51.39 | Kaurin | whats the worst case scenario? |
| 15:51.52 | jpinx | Kaurin: rsync has samples to duplicate stuff complete with permissions |
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| 15:52.11 | jpinx | means "man rsync..." |
| 15:52.25 | Kaurin | yes i am using rsync as a cronjob on one of my boxes |
| 15:52.33 | Kaurin | so i'm somewhat familiar with the options |
| 15:52.38 | zykotick9 | Kaurin: have you tried the --apparent-size switch with du? |
| 15:52.42 | jpinx | Kaurin: there ya go;) |
| 15:52.52 | Kaurin | zykotick9, yes i have, same thing |
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| 15:53.05 | Kaurin | jpinx, if i get no errors with diff -rq, is it still ok to use it like that? |
| 15:53.43 | jpinx | dunno - personally, I'd rsync it |
| 15:53.50 | Kaurin | ok you have convinced me |
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| 15:54.18 | jpinx | Kaurin: I have found -phaxPHAXr to be good for some things |
| 15:54.43 | jpinx | but you have experience of rsync, so you cna check the options you need |
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| 16:00.21 | franco00 | hi there. In my bashrc I have ' rm="rm -i" rmtrue="rm" ' <-- when I call remtrue I actually get rm -i (as if alias are recursive). How can I specify that rmture should not expand to another alias? |
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| 16:01.37 | Kaurin | I'm good with -a here, nothing too fancy |
| 16:01.40 | ksk | franco00: #bash |
| 16:01.42 | ChrisH | franco00: 1) alias rmtrue="\rm" or 2. use \rm |
| 16:01.45 | alfplayer | franco00: try rmtrue="\rm" |
| 16:01.49 | Kaurin | I'lll start rsync in screen, and check on it after a few hours |
| 16:02.00 | Kaurin | when i get home. Thank you all for suggestions! |
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| 16:06.54 | franco00 | thanks ChrisH alfplayer |
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| 16:07.13 | franco00 | didn't know there was a #bash channel too ksk :P |
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| 16:08.59 | hetOrakel | hi all, i've got a routing (router) question... |
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| 16:09.22 | hetOrakel | there are (soho) routers where i can enter a "static route" |
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| 16:09.33 | g0to | hello |
| 16:10.09 | g0to | I've been trying to make the package unattended-upgrades run with no success so far |
| 16:10.10 | hetOrakel | can i use this in some way, to redirect traphic with desitination IP X to IP Z? |
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| 16:10.34 | hetOrakel | i'm googling for weeks now, but can't find it! |
| 16:10.41 | g0to | I installed it, enabled it and and configured "/etc/apt/apt.conf.d/50unattended-upgrades" |
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| 16:11.04 | g0to | but it did nothing since then |
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| 16:12.10 | g0to | is there any cron job that triggers the unattended-upgrades? |
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| 16:12.31 | g0to | does anyone know how it works? |
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| 16:13.47 | ChrisH | hetOrakel: 1. This is debian not soho router. 2. All Routers I own, off an option to add static routes. But why do you need that? |
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| 16:14.31 | ChrisH | hetOrakel: s/off/offer |
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| 16:30.25 | jhutchins_wk | After my latest update, libreoffice is having trouble opening files. |
| 16:31.04 | jhutchins_wk | This is on squeeze. Also some odd behavior on iceweasel not wanting to start. |
| 16:31.21 | jhutchins_wk | Getting a 58 package update now. |
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| 16:32.56 | jhutchins_wk | Ah, I see an iceweasel update, good. |
| 16:33.33 | sliddjur | Hello, can someone help me out with libpam cracklib? I installed it, and get this: /etc/pam.d/common-password:password required pam_cracklib.so retry=3 minlen=8 difok=3 dcredit=1 ucredit=1 lcredit=1 ocredit=1... but complexity rules of users password still doesnt apply. |
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| 16:39.04 | nickn | hi |
| 16:39.13 | Nik05 | hi |
| 16:39.55 | nickn | I want to configure a dhcp server (isc-dhcp-server) so it can bootstrap pxe clients |
| 16:40.05 | nickn | however, I always get some error :/ |
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| 16:42.20 | ChrisH | jhutchins_wk: My iceweasel keep randomly crashing sind my today upgrade. I feel like a reboot might sort out some things. |
| 16:42.33 | burntoto_ | hi guys, i m new to debian. i have a weird behaviour when trying to update. i m a bit lost. apt-get update fails. |
| 16:42.48 | burntoto_ | i can't apt-get upgrade |
| 16:43.30 | burntoto_ | i m not sure what went wrong but i just can t update system, neither command-line or GUI |
| 16:43.35 | ix007 | Are you logged in as root? |
| 16:43.50 | burntoto_ | ix007, :) yes, sure |
| 16:44.00 | ChrisH | burntoto_: lets start with run apt-get update ; apt-get -s upgrade as root on CLI and paste all to paste.debian.net please |
| 16:44.02 | burntoto_ | it's about a lock process. |
| 16:44.12 | burntoto_ | ChrisH, ok |
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| 16:45.37 | g0to | what happen if when a cron job is supposed to be run, the system is down (shut down)? |
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| 16:46.16 | g0to | will cron run that job when the system goes on again? |
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| 16:47.01 | burntoto_ | ChrisH, takes hours.. ? |
| 16:47.13 | burntoto_ | Duplicate sources.list entry http://ftp.es.debian.org/debian/ wheezy/main amd64 Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.es.debian.org_debian_dists_wheezy_main_binary-amd64_Packages) |
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| 16:47.34 | burntoto_ | i m not sure what to edit here... apt-sources.list? |
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| 16:49.22 | noobie888 | anyone know how do i echo $1 with $1 being the text $1 instead of taking the variable for bash script? |
| 16:49.46 | jpinx | noobie888: escape it ? |
| 16:49.53 | ChrisH | burntoto_: what takes hours? |
| 16:49.54 | jhutchins_wk | ChrisH: What would a reboot do? This is not Windows. |
| 16:50.00 | Thorjelly | echo \$1 |
| 16:50.15 | burntoto_ | ChrisH, apt-get update is reaaally long. |
| 16:50.27 | noobie888 | ThorJelly, that;s for multiple quotes, it works in this case as well? |
| 16:50.34 | burntoto_ | just finished, says a duplicate entry, i commented some lines in /etc/apt/sources.list, ran it again... |
| 16:50.54 | mimorek | noobie888: single quotes |
| 16:51.03 | ChrisH | jhutchins_wk: My system is up since 119 days and my apt recommended to reboot... I got a new kernel and it looks like parts are not matching anylonger |
| 16:51.08 | jhutchins_wk | burntoto_: You can speed it up a little by commenting out the src lines. |
| 16:51.08 | Thorjelly | noobie888: Yes, \ will make it so pretty much any special character will be treated normally |
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| 16:51.26 | mimorek | echo '$1' |
| 16:51.34 | noobie888 | Thanks guys, it worked |
| 16:51.35 | burntoto_ | jhutchins_wk, noted. thanks. |
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| 16:51.39 | Thorjelly | well, that works too |
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| 16:51.52 | jhutchins_wk | ChrisH: Loading a new kernel is one of the few reasons to reboot, although the system should run on the old kernel without any problems. |
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| 16:52.50 | neoplus_ | hi |
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| 16:53.21 | jhutchins_wk | ChrisH: Which version of iceweasel are you running? |
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| 16:55.17 | ChrisH | jhutchins_wk: 3.5.16-20 |
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| 16:56.48 | Thorjelly | Alright, I am still trying to set up my networking and I've been at it for like a week. Does anyone here no why when I bring up a bridge on eth0 it brings down the entire network eth0 is connected to? |
| 16:56.52 | cHarNe2 | hi, , following a guide on how to install wp+nginx on ubuntu and it wants me to install php5-fpm, but there aint such in the debin-repo. i found some ways to install it onto debian. But i wonder why it aint there to begin with? (yes i know ubuntu != debian) |
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| 16:57.30 | Thorjelly | *does anyone here know why |
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| 16:58.47 | opr | hi all, I'm trying to use mixxxx (DJing software) and I have plugged my headphones in USB and my speakers by jack, and in the sound preferences, when i select my headphones and press test, it does come though my speakers, and in mixxx whatever is set as the "headphone" output is horribly garbled and choppy (regardless of whether it's my hphones or speakers) |
| 16:58.56 | jhutchins_wk | !tell ChrisH about mdn |
| 16:59.07 | jhutchins_wk | ChrisH: You might want to try a newer version from there. |
| 16:59.07 | ghost75 | bluez dev team are cowboys |
| 16:59.31 | ChrisH | jhutchins_wk: hmmm, well why? all I need does work :) |
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| 17:00.48 | ghost75 | i cant believe that bluez is official in linux and documentation is not available |
| 17:01.51 | jhutchins_wk | ChrisH: If it ain't broke, don't fix it. |
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| 17:02.09 | jhutchins_wk | ghost75: Is not available, or you can't find it? |
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| 17:02.51 | ghost75 | maybe i am just not able to find |
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| 17:06.18 | jelly | jhutchins_wk: I can't find it either! |
| 17:06.25 | ghost75 | http://blog.projectnibble.org/2010/08/08/how-ubuntus-broken-bluetooth-support-came-to-be/ |
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| 17:06.47 | ghost75 | so nobody gives a f... about bluetooth |
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| 17:06.49 | jelly | ghost75: that was 2010, we now have a different broken bt support. |
| 17:07.13 | burntoto_ | ChrisH, jhutchins_wk |
| 17:07.17 | burntoto_ | E: Unmet dependencies. Try using -f. |
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| 17:07.39 | ghost75 | simple-agent hci0 00:1F:5C:FA:D9:13 |
| 17:07.39 | ghost75 | Creating device failed: org.bluez.Error.AlreadyExists: Bonding already exists |
| 17:07.48 | ghost75 | but /var/lib/bluetooth is empty |
| 17:07.49 | burntoto_ | The following packages have unmet dependencies: perl : Depends: perl-base (= 5.14.2-18) but 5.14.2-16 is installed etc etc |
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| 17:10.51 | ubuntu_user | how much MB or GB is small installation image from debian link? |
| 17:12.32 | Nik05 | ubuntu_user netinst is about 200MB |
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| 17:13.38 | ubuntu_user | after getting this, it doesnot install any extra packages without my consent right? i need a bare minimum debian OS? |
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| 17:14.22 | ChrisH | burntoto_: I am still waiting for the paste to see. |
| 17:15.12 | jelly | ubuntu_user: a base system will use something like 600MB... but is not very useful for anything but installing more packages over a wired network |
| 17:15.57 | rryoumaa | how large a partition is necessary for a typical power user, or a dd? |
| 17:16.02 | rryoumaa | 25GB? |
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| 17:16.42 | ubuntu_user | i have a system with very little resources and i have to handle it tight for research purposes and hence want it small. |
| 17:16.59 | Thorjelly | rryoumaa: What kind of partition? Root? |
| 17:17.13 | rryoumaa | yes |
| 17:17.20 | Thorjelly | Including /home and /var? |
| 17:17.22 | rryoumaa | root including all of debian |
| 17:17.27 | rryoumaa | everything except home |
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| 17:17.44 | burntoto_ | ChrisH, it s just perl that has unmet deps. |
| 17:17.48 | burntoto_ | one sec |
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| 17:18.09 | Thorjelly | 25GB sounds fine to me |
| 17:18.21 | burntoto_ | it suggests me doing apt-get -f upgrade. |
| 17:18.42 | rryoumaa | i recall that i never got above 15gb in woody days; i figure maybe another 10 to be safe |
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| 17:19.05 | Thorjelly | I generally do 8 GB for minimal installs and 20GB for desktops. |
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| 17:29.51 | rryoumaa | ah, nice, i can save 5gb |
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| 17:30.49 | rryoumaa | or with enough memory can i just not use swap? |
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| 17:37.14 | somiaj | hmm, looks like installing iceweasel from experiementail in wheezy now requires sid libs (not surprised). Wonder when mozilla.debian.net will actually start providing backports. |
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| 17:49.48 | JaySwizzle | Help! I installed Debian on my laptop and It wont detect any wireless networs |
| 17:49.57 | JaySwizzle | im currently connected through ethernet cable |
| 17:51.14 | ksk | !tell JaySwizzle about wireless |
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| 17:51.29 | ksk | awseome bot this dpkg ;) |
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| 17:52.39 | JaySwizzle | Thanks ksk! |
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| 17:54.44 | dmbaturin | Hey guys! Could you point me to a good example of package where several packages are build from the same source (i.e. foo and foo-devel or such)? |
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| 18:11.10 | Jaleks | is there any trick to get squid-prefetch working? I just installed and thought all should be fine, but i can not see (wireshark) that any page is prefetched... (squid-prefetch.conf: http://paste.debian.net/239768/ squid.conf: http://paste.debian.net/239769/ ) |
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| 18:23.41 | abrotman | Jaleks: there's a squid channel IIRC, they may know more |
| 18:24.17 | Jaleks | thx |
| 18:27.05 | ghost75 | anyone has /usr/bin/bluez-test-input is this really a binary? |
| 18:27.36 | peterrooney | ,file /usr/bin/bluez-test-input |
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| 18:27.40 | judd | No packages in squeeze/i386 were found with that file. |
| 18:28.38 | ghost75 | its in sid but to install newer bluez i would need to update hundreds of packages |
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| 18:30.10 | ghost75 | in wheezy too |
| 18:30.29 | frikinz | it's a python script |
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| 18:30.40 | ghost75 | do you have it? |
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| 18:30.57 | frikinz | yes |
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| 18:31.06 | ghost75 | could u pls pastebin it |
| 18:32.18 | frikinz | ghost75: http://paste.debian.net/239770/ . part of package bluez |
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| 18:32.50 | ghost75 | thx a lot |
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| 18:34.28 | ghoti | So ... with dsbl.org gone, is there some other list of open proxies that can be used for for filtering incoming spam? |
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| 18:34.53 | robin_sz | so, in a regex, how do you match words where the first and third char are the same? |
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| 18:35.36 | ghoti | robin_sz: /^(.).\1/ ? Depends on your parser. |
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| 18:36.16 | jelly-home | robin_sz: if the engine supports backreferences, what ghoti said |
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| 18:36.21 | ghoti | Some parsers don't support backreferences, some use $n instead of \n. |
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| 18:38.58 | abrotman | ghoti: that's not rellated to #debian, try another channel |
| 18:39.35 | ghost75 | since when somebody asked when wheezy will be stable :) |
| 18:39.53 | ghoti | abrotman: so nobody runs mail servers in debian? good to know. |
| 18:40.16 | ghoti | abrotman: or ... were you talking about the regular expression dicussion? Those aren't specific to debian either. |
| 18:40.19 | iosona | The Debian team takes a long time to make a testing release considered stable, ghost75. Just look at how old the packages are and how stable everything is in Squeeze. |
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| 18:40.47 | ghost75 | was more like joke :> |
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| 18:44.04 | ksuhku | !tell ghost75 about rc bugs |
| 18:44.29 | robin_sz | ghoti, thnaks that works :) |
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| 18:45.22 | superdmp | I have had caldavd running on my (quiet ancient) Debian virtual server for years, but a week or two ago, after it was restored from a backup, the calendar no longer works |
| 18:45.25 | ksuhku | ghost75, also file /usr/bin/bluez-test-input will tell if if it's binary |
| 18:45.29 | superdmp | i think it is a permissions problem |
| 18:45.44 | superdmp | file permissions, that is, preventing entries being written |
| 18:46.06 | superdmp | how would I find out what user a process is set to run as, when the system boots up? |
| 18:46.30 | jhutchins_wk | superdmp: ps axu? |
| 18:47.06 | superdmp | jhutchins_wk: and presumably also in some startup config file, it should be set? |
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| 18:48.03 | ghoti | robin_sz: no problem. Next time though, perhaps it would be better to ask in a different channel -- as abrotman suggested, regular expressions are not debian-specific, and so may be off-topic. |
| 18:48.23 | abrotman | ghoti: no,i was commenting about your open proxy question |
| 18:48.28 | superdmp | OK, I can see in the report from ps axu: |
| 18:48.30 | superdmp | caldavd 22622 0.5 2.3 160240 24496 ? S Mar03 6:19 /usr/bin/python /usr/bin/twistd -u caldavd -g caldavd -n caldav -f /etc/caldavd/caldavd. |
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| 18:48.42 | abrotman | robin_sz: regex questions are just fine .. ignore ghoti |
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| 18:49.02 | ghoti | abrotman: your rationale eludes me. How are regular expressions any less off-topic than mail server configuration? |
| 18:49.33 | abrotman | ghoti: which mail server are you running? why do you need an open proxy to pass email through for scanning? which version of Debian is this? |
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| 18:50.35 | ghoti | abrotman: you obviously didn't read my question. I'm running sendmail, and I'm wondering if there's an alternate RBL to use for open proxy filtering now that dsbl.org is offline. |
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| 18:51.04 | abrotman | ghoti: my apolgogies, thought you wanted to pass your messages through the open proxy to be scanned |
| 18:51.11 | abrotman | ghoti: spamhaus has one IIRC |
| 18:51.17 | abrotman | njabl.org maybe also? |
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| 18:51.28 | ghoti | abrotman: and now this is on-topic? |
| 18:51.35 | robert45 | hi guys, is it possible to add the "up route add -net .." command inside /etc/network/interfaces outside the interface setup? ie: At the very top of the file? |
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| 18:51.53 | abrotman | ghoti: i thoughty ou were asking for an open proxy, that is not |
| 18:52.13 | abrotman | ghoti: if you want to argue, i'll just pretend i'm stupid .. |
| 18:52.25 | robin_sz | I always like the way a one line question and answer develops into a half hour discussion about whether its on topic or not ;) |
| 18:52.41 | abrotman | eyes robin_sz ... |
| 18:53.06 | ghoti | I'm not interested in arguing, but I think "used for filtering incoming spam" was pretty clear. I'll just chalk it up to too much blood in your caffeine stream. |
| 18:53.45 | abrotman | i don't drink coffee or soda or tea .. nice try .. good luck |
| 18:53.59 | ghoti | abrotman: btw, thanks for the suggestions, I'll look in to spamhaus and njabl to see if they fit the bill. Looks like SORBS may be a possibility too, if it's still well-attended enough. |
| 18:54.02 | abrotman | oh, maybe that was an attempt at trolling |
| 18:54.11 | abrotman | ghoti: do NOT use sorbs |
| 18:54.18 | ghoti | oh? |
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| 18:54.36 | abrotman | ghoti: read their removal policy before you even think about it |
| 18:55.24 | abrotman | there's one that's far worse .. but sorbs doesn't make it easy either |
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| 18:55.46 | ompaul | ghoti: cbl.abuseat.org, client b.barracudacentral.org, bl.spamcop.net, zen.spamhaus.org, are a few |
| 18:56.18 | ghoti | hmm, also, I don't much like the fact that SORBS is operated by a company looking for profit rather than a dedicated group of volunteers... Okay, thanks. |
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| 18:56.31 | ghoti | ompaul: great, thanks. |
| 18:56.42 | nkuttler | spamassassin does great filtering for me |
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| 18:57.04 | abrotman | would have asked the postfix channel |
| 18:57.07 | ghoti | I'd prefer to block than filter if possible. |
| 18:57.07 | superdmp | calendarserver |
| 18:57.11 | robin_sz | we found spamassin to be somewhat processor heavy |
| 18:57.13 | ompaul | loves postfix |
| 18:57.15 | superdmp | oops |
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| 18:58.14 | nkuttler | robin_sz: i have to admit i have a big whitelist |
| 18:58.26 | ghoti | ompaul: I don't have a problem with postfix per-se, but I've got some legacy software that builds virtusertable files in sendmail format, which is slightly different from postfix's. Easier to just run sendmail than try to modify the software, at least in the short term. |
| 18:59.04 | ompaul | finds the short term goes on and on until your hand is forced so therefore is a bad administration choice ever |
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| 19:00.29 | ghoti | granted -- it's an axiom that workarounds are just bad solutions in disguise. but if you *can't* get the "right" solution completed by a deadline, then it's not "right" either. |
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| 19:08.05 | ghost75 | (19:45:25) ksuhku: ghost75, also file /usr/bin/bluez-test-input will tell if if it's binary <- not if its not on system |
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| 19:10.43 | cardamon | Hmm. |
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| 19:13.59 | cardamon | cairo-dock has some annoying dependencies. brasero, gnome-power-manager, nautilus. I had understood it to be more independent of gnome. |
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| 19:15.24 | cardamon | ...and it suggests amarok, banshee, exail, quodlibet, rhythmbox, and xmms2...I'm thinking the maintainer goofed. |
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| 19:16.39 | redim | cardamon: cairo-dock-core may be what you want. |
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| 19:19.29 | cardamon | redim: Ah, got it now. It's the cairo-dock-plug-ins metapackage that's pulling them all in. |
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| 19:19.47 | cardamon | Thanks. |
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| 19:20.39 | redim | cardamon: you're welcome. |
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| 19:21.03 | foo | This doesn't make sense. I am user foo. My user is in www-data group. I have a file.txt I chmod to 664, and I chown to www-data.www-data. I then echo file > file.txt and it works fine. Although, when I start Dropbox under my user, it is still throwing permission errors. Any thoughts on why it might be doing this? |
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| 19:32.05 | jhutchins_wk | THIS is how Open Source is supposed to work: http://www.thepowerbase.com/2013/03/gamer-rewrites-valves-steam-installer-for-debian/ |
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| 19:33.29 | jhutchins_wk | ghoti: Nothing wrong with sendmail. It's still the industry standard. |
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| 19:33.43 | Towzzer | postfix or die :D |
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| 19:35.20 | jhutchins_wk | I think if you're running a public mailserver you should be VERY careful about blocking. Most blacklists are much better suited to scoring than blocking. |
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| 19:51.15 | ws2k3 | hi my mysql server sometimes has realy high cpu usage how can i find out what it causes to work so hard ? |
| 19:52.12 | jhutchins_wk | ws2k3: Enable logging & look at the logs. |
| 19:52.26 | jhutchins_wk | ws2k3: What uses your mysql? |
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| 19:56.23 | ghost75 | apt-get upgrade is enough to go to wheezy?= |
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| 19:58.48 | ghost75 | nevermind |
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| 20:00.53 | Sevet | ghost75: it won't pull in new packages, you should use dist-upgrade |
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| 20:02.57 | Towzzer | can anyone tell me the best way to exclude directories in a find? |
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| 20:08.45 | frikinz | find / \( ! -type d \) |
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| 20:12.22 | Towzzer | I've tried that but for some reason results that are in the directory are being included |
| 20:12.31 | Towzzer | find . -type d \( ! -name cache \) -o \( ! -name web \) -print |
| 20:12.37 | Towzzer | I still get results inside ./web |
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| 20:14.19 | frikinz | -prune -o -print ? |
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| 20:14.42 | Towzzer | still nothing |
| 20:14.57 | Towzzer | find . -type d \( ! -name cache \) -o \( ! -name web -prune \) -print |
| 20:15.19 | frikinz | the manpage has examples |
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| 20:15.35 | Towzzer | ok |
| 20:15.36 | frikinz | must be the longest manpage ever |
| 20:15.49 | Towzzer | this is from linux craft, usually their stuff is good |
| 20:15.56 | Towzzer | nixcraft |
| 20:15.58 | Towzzer | i mean |
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| 20:18.13 | Kriminel | excuse my ignorance if this is a stupid question: what is better for a moderate website: apache_fcgi or apache_itk? |
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| 20:18.53 | gnarface | Kriminel: neither; use mod_php |
| 20:19.19 | Kriminel | i'm installing i-MSCP and i only have those two options |
| 20:19.24 | Towzzer | or install nginx+php-fpm |
| 20:19.26 | gnarface | oh nevermind then |
| 20:19.34 | Towzzer | fcgi is the better option |
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| 20:19.47 | Kriminel | thank you guys |
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| 20:22.14 | Kriminel | package libapache2-mod-fastcgi has no installation candidate |
| 20:23.43 | Guest35355 | just removed old OS's from hdd. how do I remove them from squeeze boot menu? |
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| 20:24.36 | somiaj | Kriminel: what are you trying to install. Getting errors like that may mean you are trying to mix repos together and apt cannot figure out how to resolve the dependencies |
| 20:24.52 | somiaj | Guest35355: rerun grub-update |
| 20:25.17 | Kriminel | @somiaj i'm following this install guide for i-MSCP: http://wiki.i-mscp.net/doku.php?id=start:installation:debian |
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| 20:25.26 | somiaj | Guest35355: sorry it is update-grub |
| 20:25.29 | Kriminel | i got that error after running perl ./imscp-autoinstall |
| 20:25.50 | frikinz | update-grub :) |
| 20:26.19 | frikinz | happy I'm not the only one mixing update-grub and grub-install |
| 20:26.20 | zerick | Hi guys, is it possible to determine if a package was installed as a dependency for other primary package? |
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| 20:26.57 | Kriminel | somiaj: the server is a kvm vps with a fresh debian x64 install from which i explicitely unchecked apache/php/sql options when prompted by the install dvd |
| 20:27.23 | Kriminel | thinking those will be installed by i-MSCP |
| 20:27.40 | somiaj | Kriminel: I'm not gonna try to guess what that script is doing. Im just saying that is a package that is available in squeeze, wheezy and sid. So saying it cannot find it means you are requsting something strange or do not have your sources.list set up correctly |
| 20:28.32 | Kriminel | are sources updated by the installation disk if i uncheck all web services? |
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| 20:29.59 | somiaj | Kriminel: just give us a copy of your /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 20:30.13 | somiaj | or the output of apt-cache policy |
| 20:30.17 | somiaj | if you don't mind |
| 20:30.27 | somiaj | zerick: aptitude why <package name> |
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| 20:31.20 | Kriminel | somiaj: http://pastebin.com/FtLNa148 |
| 20:31.34 | Kriminel | try now, had to type in the catcha |
| 20:31.37 | Kriminel | captcha |
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| 20:31.50 | somiaj | zerick: aptitude search can search for both depends and reverse depends of a package as well |
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| 20:32.06 | somiaj | Kriminel: paste.debian.net -- no adds or captcha's, (: |
| 20:32.21 | zerick | somiaj: is it possible with apt-get ? |
| 20:32.23 | somiaj | okay you only have the dvd1 and security sources |
| 20:32.38 | somiaj | zerick: nope, this is one of the thigns aptitude is better at, searching for things. |
| 20:32.55 | somiaj | zerick: it is worth learning to use aptitude for some things, though I use apt-get and apt-cache most times |
| 20:33.09 | somiaj | Kriminel: you need to comment out your deb cdrom line, and add an offical squeeze line |
| 20:33.11 | Kriminel | somiaj: http://paste.debian.net/239810/ |
| 20:33.12 | ghost75 | i hate menu of aptitude |
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| 20:33.23 | somiaj | !tell Kriminel about squeeze sources |
| 20:33.41 | somiaj | ghost75: aptitude can be used as 'almost' a drop in replacement for apt-get. You do not need to use the curses gui |
| 20:33.53 | somiaj | !tell Kriminel about squeeze sources.list |
| 20:33.55 | ghost75 | i dont use any gui |
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| 20:34.04 | Kriminel | thank you somiaj |
| 20:34.19 | somiaj | ghost75: yea, I'm saying you can use aptitude completely from the command line and do not need to use it's gui |
| 20:34.35 | ghost75 | its still a text menu |
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| 20:35.37 | hasdf | Problem: if I plug in my new wifi-card (TL-WN781ND) gnome does not start (shows only blinking underline. grub and dm-crypt password prompt before that works) |
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| 20:36.21 | somiaj | ghost75: what text menu are you talking about? 'aptitude install foo', 'aptitude search foo', 'aptitude remove foo', 'aptitude why foo' do not give you a text menu/gui for anything (curses gui is a text gui) |
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| 20:36.46 | bruston | if you just run 'aptitude' you get a a funky menu, I was not even aware until just now |
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| 20:37.02 | hasdf | but I can switch to strg+alt+1; lspci -r shows the wifi-card |
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| 20:37.12 | ghost75 | i was not aware that aptitude can be run with options lol |
| 20:37.14 | somiaj | yea aptitude can be either used in a gui curses mode, or cli depending on your use |
| 20:37.15 | frikinz | what can't aptitude do that apt-get can? getting source package, what else? |
| 20:37.32 | somiaj | ghost75: /msg dpkg why aptitude, /msg dpkg why apt-get (also try why not aptitude) |
| 20:37.32 | bruston | We all learned! Yay! |
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| 20:38.13 | somiaj | somethings apt-get does better, some things aptitude does better. In general apt-get is faster, aptitude is smarter. But I have seen upgrades prefer one over the other and then switch during the next upgrade. |
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| 20:38.24 | ghost75 | u can specify branch too? |
| 20:38.36 | somiaj | frikinz: that is the only thing I know of as well, aptitude has no source option |
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| 20:38.46 | somiaj | ghost75: such as aptitude -t squeeze-backports foo |
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| 20:38.57 | somiaj | ghost75: you can also do aptitude install foo=version (to really control what version it installs) |
| 20:39.02 | ghost75 | k |
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| 20:39.40 | frikinz | somiaj: yes. one could wonder why its not there ? |
| 20:39.49 | frikinz | I like the TUI for resolving conflicts |
| 20:39.57 | frikinz | I mean. package conflicts :) |
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| 20:40.13 | ghost75 | but it looks freaking confusing |
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| 20:40.53 | frikinz | no, you just select what you want, don't want and let the solver do the job |
| 20:41.09 | frikinz | A/R are the keys you need |
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| 20:41.23 | ghost75 | yeah but then i didnt know what keys to press |
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| 20:41.49 | somiaj | ghost75: hit ?, it is well doccumentated |
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| 20:42.14 | frikinz | actually .. A/R/Tab |
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| 20:44.26 | wald0 | if a bug exist in both ubuntu and debian, but is only reported to ubuntu, is there a way to report it to debian in a specific way like linking? or i can just copy and duplicate the contents ? |
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| 20:45.02 | somiaj | wald0: what do you mean exists in both? Have you set up a debian wheezy/sid chroot and are able to repdouce the bug on only debian software? (assuming it isn't a bug with a kernel a chroot should be fine) |
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| 20:46.31 | ghost75 | 5h download arg |
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| 20:47.42 | wald0 | somiaj: i found a bug in debian, then i noticed that also exist on ubuntu, searching for info about it i have found a report in the ubuntu bts but not in the debian one, so i want to mark a "reported" state to it on debian |
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| 20:48.31 | Gm4n | does /dev/mapper/ only get created if you have something to actually map? |
| 20:48.32 | somiaj | wald0: what is the bug? What package does it effect. I'm surprised it is not in the debian bts |
| 20:48.44 | fnmueller | and what is the question ;-) |
| 20:48.56 | somiaj | wald0: if it is not in the debian bts and you run a pure debian system, use report bug or bugs.debian.org to report said bug |
| 20:49.34 | wald0 | somiaj: thats what im trying to do, but i need to reference the reported one in ubuntu ? is there not any "connection" between BTS's ? |
| 20:49.51 | frikinz | Gm4n: doesn't look like as I have it and nothing mapped |
| 20:50.55 | Gm4n | hmm, thanks frikinz. I wonder if it's created by the kernel itself? I'm looking at my HD (plugged into another machine), and don't see the /dev/mapper/ folder |
| 20:51.22 | Gm4n | I suppose it's a subdir of /dev/, so anything goes =) |
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| 20:52.19 | somiaj | wald0: no beacuse many times bugs are related to the system and dependencies. You could reference it in your bug report, but my guess is it will be ignored. We care about the issue in debian (though there is some cross over i'm not sure how it works) |
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| 20:56.54 | Gm4n | Where does dpkg -l find information from? (aka, what file on my disk is responsible for tracking the packages I have installed?) |
| 20:56.55 | frikinz | I have a sid system if one wants to check if a bug is there. as long as its not too long to reproduce and I have the hardware |
| 20:57.26 | somiaj | Gm4n: I think it is /var/lib/dpkg |
| 20:58.22 | Gm4n | thanks, somiaj =) plenty here for me to dig into |
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| 21:01.27 | ghost75 | oh my |
| 21:01.34 | ghost75 | 70kb/s download |
| 21:01.45 | dutchfish | Gm4n, /var/lib/dpkg/status |
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| 21:04.09 | frikinz | Gm4n: strace dpkg -l 2>&1 | grep "^open" |
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| 21:07.55 | Gm4n | dutchfish: that's the one, thanks! |
| 21:08.10 | Gm4n | and frikinz, that grepping with strace is a great trick, I'll remember it =) |
| 21:08.29 | dutchfish | Gm4n, ok, and oh, dont mess with it |
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| 21:11.58 | frikinz | Gm4n: strace is the great trick in this line, it can save you very often to know what's going on :-) |
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| 21:14.19 | hasdf | with my wifi-card (TL-WN781ND) plugged in, gnome doesn't start (shows only blinking underline. grub and dm-crypt password prompt before work). lspci shows the card and the chip should work with ath9k-driver. any ideas what to search for? |
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| 21:15.03 | gnarface | hasdf: missing firmware maybe? |
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| 21:16.11 | hasdf | gnarface, don't think so. how to check? got the card new today |
| 21:16.33 | gnarface | !TL-WN781ND |
| 21:16.40 | gnarface | guess not |
| 21:17.17 | gnarface | hasdf: there is a package but i forget its name. it might be in non-free. |
| 21:17.44 | Mogget | If I install Wheezy/Sid, will my system become closer to Ubuntu with running updates? |
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| 21:17.56 | hasdf | gnarface, also the card works in windows... |
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| 21:18.04 | frikinz | atheros? |
| 21:18.18 | hasdf | yes |
| 21:18.24 | gnarface | !ath9k |
| 21:18.25 | dpkg | ath9k is a completely free (no proprietary HAL) Linux kernel driver supporting PCI/PCI-E 802.11n wireless LAN devices with Atheros chips. It does not require firmware from userspace. See http://wiki.debian.org/ath9k for more information and supported devices. For Atheros 802.11n USB device support, ask me about <ath9k_htc>, <ar9170>. |
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| 21:18.44 | hasdf | frikinz, Atheros AR9485 |
| 21:18.58 | wsky | hasdf: i seem to posses at least similar usb dongle, if not the same |
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| 21:19.20 | frikinz | I'm connecting here through a tplink wnl722N |
| 21:19.21 | gnarface | hasdf: apparently that one does NOT need firmware ... |
| 21:19.24 | wsky | nah, mine is different a bit |
| 21:19.27 | frikinz | wn |
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| 21:21.24 | frikinz | and it does need a firmware from firmware-atheros |
| 21:21.58 | frikinz | on my setup. Transferred FW: htc_9271.fw, size: 51272 |
| 21:22.34 | hasdf | "It does not require a binary HAL (hardware abstraction layer) and no firmware is required to be loaded from userspace. Supported devices are listed at the end of this page." wiki.debian.org/ath9k |
| 21:24.45 | gnarface | does this only happen with gnome, hasdf ? |
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| 21:28.05 | hasdf | gnarface, trying out now |
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| 21:28.35 | Olytibar | hey, when I try to boot / is read-only, I have no idea why, I had some problems with the hard drive, but solved them and fsck doesn’t show any errors. remounting as rw works. I already checked fstab. |
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| 21:31.11 | tekk | hi guys, am i correct in believing the iso's contained under this URL: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/daily-builds/daily/arch-latest/amd64/iso-cd/ contain debian installers that can use EFI by default (and even on a Mac) |
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| 21:35.52 | eejaz | any book or tutorial for debian server new comers? |
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| 21:36.16 | hasdf | gnarface, xfce with xdm doesn't start. running startx shows up "Fatal server error: no screens found" |
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| 21:37.19 | aguitel | how to rip audio cd to mp3 ? |
| 21:37.57 | EmleyMoor | aguitel: I use abcde which is a wrapper around cdparanoia and lame - may only be available in dmm |
| 21:38.26 | aguitel | what is the main program? |
| 21:38.30 | hasdf | aguitel, www.lmgtfy.com/?q=rip audio cd to mp3 debian |
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| 21:38.46 | hasdf | sry couldn't resist |
| 21:39.18 | dutchfish | tekk, yes, but not secure boot (yet) as far as i know |
| 21:39.40 | tekk | thats fine, don't need secure boot :) planning on booting off a Mac without going through the laborious replace grub-pc with grub-efi thing every time :) |
| 21:39.59 | dutchfish | tekk, also take a peak in here http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/News/ |
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| 21:40.05 | tekk | thanks |
| 21:40.12 | dutchfish | yw |
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| 21:41.14 | |thunder | Hey all, is THIS http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=83179#p463776 the correct way to install a i286 deb on amd64 wheezy? |
| 21:41.32 | |thunder | *i386 deb on amd64, sry, typo |
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| 21:42.51 | MO_Handes | `ps -U root` does not print process memory usage. how to make it do that? |
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| 21:43.26 | aguitel | how enable mp3 option in soud-juicer ? |
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| 21:44.51 | mtn | aguitel: is it grayed out or what? |
| 21:45.16 | |thunder | MO_Handes, may try ps -U root -v |
| 21:45.32 | aguitel | mtn, what ? |
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| 21:45.46 | BackEndCoder | hi guys, i am having problems with my bt speed. I have been told to connect pppoe via another username. but it doesn't have a password. What should the pap-secrets file look like? |
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| 21:45.52 | mtn | aguitel: what don't you understand? |
| 21:45.56 | BackEndCoder | googling debian pppoe no password doesn't come up with anything |
| 21:46.09 | mtn | aguitel: explain your problem |
| 21:46.35 | MO_Handes | thanks |thunder |
| 21:46.40 | tekk | hmm… a partition with number 1, at beginning of disk, size 1024KB… code EF02… you think thats where grub is living? (i thought it normally got around 9mb but i'm using lvm) |
| 21:46.43 | |thunder | np |
| 21:46.50 | gnarface | hasdf: sounds to me like your problem is not related to the network |
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| 21:47.04 | dutchfish | mumbles, we dont need hell, humans are perfectly capable of creating there own .... |
| 21:47.13 | gnarface | hasdf: you should probably check the xorg log to see why its failing |
| 21:47.19 | dutchfish | oops, sorry |
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| 21:47.28 | aguitel | mtn, need to install mp3 codecs? |
| 21:47.57 | mtn | aguitel: do you see an option for mp3 in soundjuicer? what is the actual problem? |
| 21:48.08 | aguitel | mtn, no |
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| 21:48.36 | hasdf | X detects a weird device according to the log files.... going to retry with wifi-card removed :/ |
| 21:48.41 | mtn | aguitel: my install of wheezy has the mp3 option in soundjuicer. didn't do anything special |
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| 21:48.59 | aguitel | mtn, i am in squeeze |
| 21:49.40 | mtn | aguitel: so, Preferences, Output Format, right? no mp3? |
| 21:49.54 | aguitel | mtn, no mp3 option |
| 21:50.25 | mtn | aguitel: then I guess installing mp3 codecs would be a good place to start :) |
| 21:50.41 | aguitel | mtn, how i do that |
| 21:51.01 | mtn | aguitel: not sure, you need to do some googling |
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| 21:54.12 | tekk | hmm http://glandium.org/blog/?p=2830 says to find the grub partition i.e. /dev/sda5, delete it and format as hfsplus etc etc…. can i use my kvm dev/mapper for this? or not? |
| 21:54.22 | tekk | my layout in fstab is very different |
| 21:55.38 | frikinz | BackEndCoder: did you try "" for password column? |
| 21:55.56 | hasdf | gnarface, startx is loading the same device with or without wifi-card. any ideas what I can do? |
| 21:56.05 | BackEndCoder | yeah trying this |
| 21:56.10 | BackEndCoder | now its not connecting at all :( |
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| 21:56.58 | hasdf | gnarface, ah overread you before: xorg log: "(EE) No devices detected. Fatal server error: no screens found" |
| 21:57.37 | gnarface | hasdf: there is usually a lot more to it than just the one line. you could be missing drivers, or you may need a static xorg.conf |
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| 21:59.33 | BackEndCoder | it seems it likes using chap-secrets |
| 21:59.34 | BackEndCoder | how confusing |
| 21:59.45 | BackEndCoder | i thought it was the pap-secrets file |
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| 22:00.58 | hasdf | gnarface, but it's working when i plug out the wifi-card |
| 22:01.25 | gnarface | hasdf: oh, i see. that is curious. |
| 22:01.27 | frikinz | BackEndCoder: pap is normally not used anymore |
| 22:01.50 | BackEndCoder | coolio |
| 22:01.58 | BackEndCoder | the config needs to be updated :) |
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| 22:16.04 | hasdf | gnarface, if you want to have a look at it... http://paste.debian.net/239826 |
| 22:16.23 | hasdf | got me a while to figure out how to paste from command line (pastebinit) |
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| 22:17.45 | gnarface | hasdf: its pretty obvious from that output that it thinks you have an AMD video card, then fails to find one and dies. i see nothing about your wifi in there. |
| 22:18.34 | hasdf | yeah sure. but why does it not find the video card if the wifi-card is plugged in :/ |
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| 22:19.04 | gnarface | hasdf: that's a great question. is your video card ON the wifi card? |
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| 22:20.26 | hasdf | video card is Radeon HD 6850, don't understand the question |
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| 22:21.30 | gnarface | hasdf: nevermind |
| 22:22.15 | gnarface | hasdf: i'm tempted to just blame it on network-manager, but i don't really have any idea. you are using network-manager right? maybe that's somehow related |
| 22:23.14 | frikinz | hasdf: what do you have in your xorg.conf ? |
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| 22:24.05 | hasdf | gnarface, yes. |
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| 22:24.22 | hasdf | frikinz, http://paste.debian.net/239830 |
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| 22:25.19 | iosona | I was wondering what I'd need to do in order get working xorg. The package I am used to installing on my native gentoo is xorg-server. I am running Debian Wheezy and only installed the base system using a netinstall .iso. |
| 22:25.36 | frikinz | BusID "PCI:5:0:0" |
| 22:26.00 | nkuttler | !tell iosona about install x |
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| 22:26.38 | frikinz | hasdf: I'd comment this line |
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| 22:28.05 | gnarface | pcmcia hasdf ? |
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| 22:28.36 | dmbaturin | Where is a guideline on how to contribute a package? |
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| 22:28.54 | nkuttler | !tell dmbaturin about newmaint |
| 22:30.31 | iosona | What is the flag to make apt not pull in as many dependencies when installing a package? I've seen it before, but I can't remember it off of the top of my head. |
| 22:30.38 | hasdf | frikinz, tadaaaaaaaaa. worked |
| 22:31.10 | hasdf | gnarface, frikinz thank you very much |
| 22:31.26 | nkuttler | iosona: man <whateveryouuse> and search for recommends/suggests |
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| 22:32.10 | hasdf | so i guess if i plug in another pci-card the BusIDs change? |
| 22:32.16 | iosona | nkuttler: I've used *nix for years, the man page doesn't list the flag. |
| 22:32.53 | nkuttler | iosona: what do you use? apt-get? aptitude? |
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| 22:33.07 | iosona | apt-get |
| 22:33.15 | nkuttler | isomorph: sure it does |
| 22:33.35 | iosona | What flag is it then, nkuttler . Where in the man page is the flag I'm looking for? |
| 22:33.44 | iosona | Because it's nowhere to be found in mine |
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| 22:33.59 | nkuttler | iosona: like i said, search for recommends. it's the first match |
| 22:34.04 | iosona | I see |
| 22:34.10 | iosona | --no-install-recommends |
| 22:34.18 | johndoe | can i install gnome2 on wheezy? |
| 22:34.25 | iosona | johndoe: You can install MATE on wheezy |
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| 22:34.40 | ghost75 | wheezy has unity too? |
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| 22:35.07 | nkuttler | !mate |
| 22:35.08 | dpkg | The MATE Desktop Environment is a fork of GNOME 2 to keep its development active (this is not supported in #debian). http://mate-desktop.org/ #mate on irc.freenode.net. |
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| 22:35.37 | johndoe | gnome 2 via snapshot.debian.org ? |
| 22:35.40 | nkuttler | johndoe: cinnamon is currently in sid... maybe someone will backport it |
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| 22:39.20 | SamanthaD | I need help disabling suspend and hibernate options on a desktop I have that doesn't support it. It still provides the option to the user which results in a lovely crash... |
| 22:39.41 | iosona | is there a way to force default behavior on apt-get? Can I make it so apt-get runs the --no-install-recommends flag automatically? |
| 22:39.49 | SamanthaD | By the way: Debian Stable PPC |
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| 22:40.32 | SamanthaD | iosona: If nobody gives you a better answer you could always alias the command, I suppose. But that's kind of a hack... |
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| 22:42.33 | frikinz | theres an option to put in apt.conf |
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| 22:43.37 | johndoe | fuck it, im upgrading stable to testing. here goes nothing xD |
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| 22:44.20 | SamanthaD | johndoe: What's the problem? |
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| 22:50.17 | iugrina | hi guys. I have a strange problem. postfix says that it delivered messages to spamassassin but spamassassin doesn't show some of them in log, and doesn't return it to postfix |
| 22:50.28 | SamanthaD | on a more modern desktop I'd have a file /usr/share/polkit-1/actions/org.freedesktop.upower.policy but Stable doesn't seem to have it... |
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| 22:51.22 | iugrina | I mean, some of the messages are returned to postifix and postfix delivers them out, but some of them aren't returned |
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| 22:51.33 | iugrina | any hint would help :D |
| 22:52.02 | mtn | SamanthaD: what desktop? |
| 22:53.03 | SamanthaD | tn: org.freedesktop.upower.policy is a file that contains certain security parameters relating to suspend/hibernate. |
| 22:53.11 | SamanthaD | tn: OH! sorry... misunderstood your question. XFCE |
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| 22:53.47 | mtn | SamanthaD: I am pretty sure that xfce has a setting for suspend and hibernate control. maybe power management? |
| 22:54.10 | SamanthaD | tn: I looked... |
| 22:54.19 | iosona | can anyone recommend any good gtk theme managers/changers? |
| 22:54.22 | mtn | SamanthaD: or are you just trying to remove menu options? |
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| 22:55.55 | SamanthaD | tn: I could... it's just the log out applet thing still has the option. |
| 22:57.15 | mtn | SamanthaD: I see. Not sure how to fix that. I don't use xfce anymore. |
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| 22:58.27 | SamanthaD | tn: Yeah... See, on my laptop (which runs Fedora) I would remove the hibernate entry from the polkit file which would prevent any non-root user from trying to hibernate the system... |
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| 22:59.56 | jpinx | SamanthaD: take a look in /etc/acpi |
| 23:00.22 | SamanthaD | jpinx: Thank you! |
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| 23:00.53 | jpinx | iosona: you mean desktop manager ? lxde is gtk based... |
| 23:01.12 | jpinx | SamanthaD: yw :) |
| 23:01.50 | SamanthaD | jpinx: I think you put me on the right direction. Though... this computer isn't ACPI I'll bet I can find the option in /etc/apm/ |
| 23:06.12 | g0to | does anyone used unattended-upgrades before? I'm having a bad time trying to get it working |
| 23:07.26 | SamanthaD | jpinx: Nope... u_u |
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| 23:07.36 | g0to | it does nothing (unattended) and so far I don't know why |
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| 23:11.14 | johndoe | how can i prevent a package from getting removed with apt-get? |
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| 23:11.33 | dn4 | why does my wheezy keep crashing and saying a file is tainted and then switches back to text console and doesn't do anything and locks up |
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| 23:12.04 | SamanthaD | dn4: Which file? |
| 23:13.01 | SamanthaD | johndoe: I don't understand... don't tell apt-get to remove it? |
| 23:13.11 | putterson | Hello, I am looking for a resource on how to configure the cmake files for my project so I will be able to run make install and have the software installed on my system |
| 23:13.15 | dn4 | SamanthaD: well in console mode it has some files that I cannot read and then it says swapper/0 tainted |
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| 23:13.24 | dn4 | now I cannot use anytning system locks up |
| 23:13.44 | frikinz | probably your graphics driver.. |
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| 23:14.20 | dn4 | my graphics is an onboard graphics; I don't think that is the issue |
| 23:14.28 | dn4 | I could look at the xorg.conf files |
| 23:14.58 | johndoe | SamanthaD: i did a apt-get dist-upgrade and it wanted to remove a package which i dont want removed |
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| 23:15.12 | frikinz | johndoe: reinstall it after its been removed (if its automatically removed its because it was a dependency pulled) or you could use apt-mark manual <package> |
| 23:15.15 | SamanthaD | dn4: By any chance is this "console" a core dump? |
| 23:15.15 | dn4 | all I want to do though is get connected wirelessly in console mode; init 2 or x |
| 23:15.28 | dn4 | SamanthaD: how do I know? |
| 23:15.39 | johndoe | frikinz: its a manual installed package |
| 23:15.56 | frikinz | johndoe: so it can't be removed automatically without you asking it |
| 23:16.36 | SamanthaD | dn4: Well... it's been ages since I've seen it myself but it would say "kernel panic" somewhere and you wouldn't have the whole yourname@yourmachine$ prompt. |
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| 23:16.53 | frikinz | dn4: tainted means you had a proprietary driver loaded. my bet was on the graphic card, could be something else |
| 23:17.32 | dn4 | SamanthaD: yeah it has that |
| 23:17.43 | SamanthaD | dn4: it has "kernel panic" or it has the prompt? |
| 23:17.51 | johndoe | you guys are fucking useless |
| 23:17.52 | dn4 | it has kernel panic |
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| 23:19.03 | SamanthaD | dn4: It's complaining about swapper/0 so my guess is that you have either some bad ram or there's something wrong with your disk that's corrupting your memory. |
| 23:19.22 | SamanthaD | dn4: Have you tried booting up a memcheck? |
| 23:19.31 | dn4 | nope |
| 23:19.36 | dn4 | it could be my hdd |
| 23:19.52 | SamanthaD | dn4: Oh? Is your hdd shaky? |
| 23:19.56 | dn4 | maybe i should make a USB install |
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| 23:20.07 | SamanthaD | dn4: Moment... |
| 23:20.07 | dn4 | SamanthaD: it is a cheap ass hdd |
| 23:20.32 | SamanthaD | dn4: Well... do you use a swap file or a swap partition? |
| 23:20.42 | dn4 | not that I am aware of |
| 23:20.48 | frikinz | actually yeah tainted could be a hardware problem or a wrong kernel |
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| 23:21.20 | SamanthaD | dn4: Did you set up your disks yourself or did you allow the installer to do it automatically? |
| 23:21.30 | ddssc | when a new user is created via adduser, and is not assigned to any particular group, that user has rwx only on his home dir. correct? |
| 23:21.48 | putterson | is anybody experienced with packaging software for debian. There is an open source project I am working on and it does not have a .deb package yet |
| 23:21.54 | SamanthaD | ddsec: Sec... I'm going to check for you |
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| 23:22.06 | frikinz | ddssc: there are also directory with sticky bit like /tmp |
| 23:22.21 | ompaul | !mentors |
| 23:22.21 | dpkg | somebody said mentors was the system the Debian project uses to train new people to become Debian Developers or Debian Maintainers and get their packages into the Debian archive. Ask me about <nmg>. http://lists.debian.org/debian-mentors/ http://mentors.debian.net/ #debian-mentors on irc.debian.org. |
| 23:22.34 | putterson | ompaul, thank you :) |
| 23:22.41 | SamanthaD | ddsec: No... it also allows read and execute for group and world (*shudders*) |
| 23:22.43 | ompaul | putterson: you're welcome |
| 23:23.11 | SamanthaD | dn4: You still there? |
| 23:23.22 | dn4 | SamanthaD: I did the automatic full disk one partition |
| 23:23.33 | dn4 | no encryptions |
| 23:23.37 | ddssc | SamanthaD, right, but which group tho? the user does not belong to any group yet, there's ony a group named same as this user. are you saying every other user has rwx on this user's home dir? Oo |
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| 23:24.19 | SamanthaD | ddssc: It should have created a private group for that user. For example user ddssc would have the group ddssc that contains only the one user. |
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| 23:24.29 | ddssc | SamanthaD, I get that part |
| 23:24.49 | ddssc | so the rwx are only for this u+g but not o ? |
| 23:24.52 | SamanthaD | ddssc: The home directory is owned by the user and the user's private group. |
| 23:25.12 | SamanthaD | ddssc: The default permissions are rwxr_xr_x |
| 23:25.22 | ddssc | simply put, I presume user X does not have rwx on user Y's home dir? |
| 23:25.41 | SamanthaD | ddssc: Unless you changed the permissions manually then you'd be wrong. |
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| 23:25.58 | SamanthaD | ddssc: Though... only that user has write. But other users can read and execute. |
| 23:26.33 | ddssc | SamanthaD, ok I noticed a user can nose around other dirs... but can't delete or write files |
| 23:26.53 | ddssc | is there any other dir beside his home dir where a freshly created user has w ? |
| 23:27.11 | dn4 | why is there no cd .iso file here http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/dists/testing/main/installer-i386/current/images/cdrom/ |
| 23:27.14 | dn4 | it makes no sense |
| 23:27.29 | SamanthaD | dn4: In that case the installer should have created a swap partition. In that case what you should do is run the memtest for your ram and then, if that checks out, go into a live environment and--making sure the swap space is off--point badblocks -w at your swap partition. |
| 23:28.07 | SamanthaD | dn4: Oh... by the way, if you point badblocks at your swap partition it will destroy the swap header. You'll need to mkswap on that partition when you've verified that it's not broken. |
| 23:28.10 | frikinz | ddssc: you can also change this behaviour by running dpkg-reconfigure adduser |
| 23:28.43 | frikinz | allow or not others to read/access other users home |
| 23:28.54 | ddssc | frikinz, too technical for me atm , I get what it does but don't really want to get into it. |
| 23:28.55 | SamanthaD | ddssc: /tmp |
| 23:29.05 | andkore | How do you get a network interface to keep its static IP? I'm trying to do a PXE but, but the host computer's static IP keeps getting lost when the other computer's PXE ROM starts looking. |
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| 23:29.19 | SamanthaD | ddssc: But /tmp also has the sticky bit set so they can only create files and folders but not tamper with other users' files. |
| 23:29.26 | andkore | I've tried setting a static IP in /etc/network/interfaces and also settin it manually with ifconfig. same result for both |
| 23:29.28 | ddssc | frikinz, all Im asking is which dirs a new user has w permission for? |
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| 23:29.46 | Towzzer | andkore, on the dhcp server set a reserved entry with the mac |
| 23:29.49 | frikinz | ddssc: yeah I answered that after you asked it a page ago |
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| 23:30.03 | asciiker | Hello everyone |
| 23:30.06 | andkore | Towzzer: where do I do that? |
| 23:30.11 | SamanthaD | ddssc: The term you want to google is "world writable" |
| 23:30.12 | frikinz | ddssc: $HOME, /tmp, /var/tmp |
| 23:30.35 | asciiker | I'm setting up a new server and I would like some advice on tools I can use to simulate http and smb traffic, I need to hold about 120 users |
| 23:30.40 | ddssc | SamanthaD, so they can create files in tmp but not delete them, on the other hand they have full rights only in their home, and other dirs only rx ? |
| 23:30.40 | Towzzer | http://www.yolinux.com/TUTORIALS/DHCP-Server.html |
| 23:30.41 | SamanthaD | oh yeah... forgot about /var/tmp... but that also has the sticky bit set! |
| 23:31.13 | SamanthaD | ddssc: That's about right. They can delete their own files. Go search "sticky bit" |
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| 23:31.39 | SamanthaD | ddssc: When you apply the suid bit to files it's a suid bit. When you apply it to a folder it's called a "sticky bit" |
| 23:31.52 | dn4 | SamanthaD: got an idea; I will install wheezy on this usb thumb stick |
| 23:32.00 | dn4 | that way if the hdd is messed up; I will know |
| 23:32.14 | SamanthaD | dn4: Or you could just swapoff the swap partition. |
| 23:32.28 | dn4 | SamanthaD: now do I do that in console mode? |
| 23:32.43 | andkore | Towzzer: the PXE server and the DHCP computer are the same computer. are you saying that the interface is trying to give itself an IP? |
| 23:32.45 | SamanthaD | dn4: Though... you could probably get this all done much more easily by just using a live distro. |
| 23:33.02 | SamanthaD | dn4: indeed... swapoff /dev/whatever |
| 23:33.53 | SamanthaD | dn4: But I strongly suggest you burn yourself a live cd that supports memtest and run that FIRST. |
| 23:34.21 | SamanthaD | dn4: Ubuntu provides it. I'm not sure about Debian but I think it does. |
| 23:35.05 | Towzzer | what? |
| 23:35.20 | ddssc | SamanthaD, im a noob at this whole thing , the stickybit thing puzzles me a bit.. |
| 23:35.22 | Towzzer | the client boots and obtains an ip from the dhcp server |
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| 23:35.36 | Towzzer | that's before anything with the tftp server |
| 23:35.55 | Towzzer | there isn't a pxe server |
| 23:36.01 | Towzzer | just dhcp and tftp serving out a boot file |
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| 23:37.24 | SamanthaD | ddssc: Short answer to your dilemma: chmod 700 /home/whatever |
| 23:37.52 | SamanthaD | ddssc: That will lock down your computer just fine. :3 |
| 23:38.00 | ddssc | SamanthaD, so bascically setting rwx to user and --- for everoyone else? |
| 23:38.16 | Towzzer | yes |
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| 23:38.47 | SamanthaD | ddssc: If you really want to get into the nitty-gritty each file's permission contains FOUR octal bits. The first is user, the second is group, the third is world, the fourth is special. |
| 23:38.55 | SamanthaD | ddssc: Yup! |
| 23:39.14 | frikinz | which is what dpkg-reconfigure adduser does for future users |
| 23:39.23 | ddssc | SamanthaD, that part i did figure out, right now reading the stickybit etc.. |
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| 23:39.55 | ddssc | SamanthaD, there a command to say : list dirs for which user X has permission w ? |
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| 23:40.01 | SamanthaD | ddssc: Yes, sticky bit makes it so that users can create things in the folder that other users can't tamper with, basically... |
| 23:40.31 | ddssc | list all dirs for user X permission w, something like that... |
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| 23:41.03 | SamanthaD | ddssc: Not off the top of my head but I'm sure there's a script. Honestly, other than world readable homes, Debian is pretty darn secure with regards to its file tree. |
| 23:42.48 | frikinz | ddssc: you might be interested in this page, in particular this chapter: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-reference/ch01.en.html#_filesystem_permissions |
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| 23:43.15 | ddssc | how about whitelisting dirs... say user/group X has permission rx for dirs x,y,z ? so you explicitly assign which dirs a certain group can access? |
| 23:43.20 | SamanthaD | ddssc: if you're interested in protecting user data the only directories you need to be concerned about are /home /tmp and /var/tmp |
| 23:43.20 | ddssc | ie. windows style |
| 23:43.50 | ddssc | SamanthaD, ideally I'd have new users jailed to their home dir. no nosing around whatsoever... maybe tmp :) |
| 23:44.24 | SamanthaD | ddssc: That would break pretty much everything that user tried to execute... |
| 23:44.35 | frikinz | also http://wiki.debian.org/Permissions Access Control Lists |
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| 23:44.59 | ddssc | SamanthaD, hum... you're right. |
| 23:45.01 | SamanthaD | ddssc: There's a script that I can't remember the name of that searches for world writable files. Other than that you don't need to be worried about anything. |
| 23:46.34 | frikinz | find / -perm 777 -type f 2> /dev/null |
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| 23:47.12 | SamanthaD | frikinz: Wouldn't that miss something with permissions of, say 007 though? |
| 23:47.18 | SamanthaD | heh... 007 |
| 23:47.33 | ddssc | sudo dpkg-reconfigure adduser pretty much does what I want :) I was just too stupid not to try it thinking I'd need a gazzilion parameters and whatnot , whereas it's actually just a dialog with 'yes' no options lol |
| 23:48.02 | frikinz | SamanthaD: correct |
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| 23:48.30 | SamanthaD | ddssc: My advice to you is to lock down your home directory with chmod 700 /home/whatever and then don't mess with permissions because if you're not sure what you're doing you can break stuff pretty easily. |
| 23:49.07 | frikinz | well, man find |
| 23:49.11 | Sevet | try 'find / -type f -perm /o=w' |
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| 23:49.28 | frikinz | ^ |
| 23:49.30 | SamanthaD | oh... THAT looks like it'll work |
| 23:49.34 | ddssc | SamanthaD, actually I was trying to create a user with only rx rights, which I'll use for my unsecure ftp access.. |
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| 23:50.02 | SamanthaD | ddssc: Then what you want is 500 instead of 700 |
| 23:50.03 | ddssc | so I created a user and removed his home dir w rights... pretty much does the trick |
| 23:50.28 | ddssc | chmod u-w /home/name |
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| 23:50.53 | SamanthaD | ddssc: chmod -R u-w /home/name |
| 23:50.59 | SamanthaD | BUT |
| 23:51.08 | ddssc | is the -R really necessary? |
| 23:51.10 | SamanthaD | be very careful that that can break stuff in nasty ways potentially... |
| 23:51.47 | SamanthaD | ddssc: If you're trying to keep the user from writing anything in the directory you're not fixing anything without the -R because folders and files INSIDE that directory would still be writable. |
| 23:52.11 | SamanthaD | ddssc: I personally advise against this hardening unless you REALLY know what you're doing... |
| 23:52.31 | ddssc | SamanthaD, I've no clue what Im doing. but I will proceed anyway |
| 23:52.35 | ddssc | :) |
| 23:52.53 | SamanthaD | have fun breaking stuff ;) |
| 23:53.01 | ddssc | to boldly go.. etc :) |
| 23:53.32 | ddssc | btw , what could that potentially break, Im just limiting one user from writing in his home dir? |
| 23:53.33 | SamanthaD | just do everyone a favor and remember you did this before filing any bug reports. |
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| 23:53.55 | SamanthaD | ddssc: It could break programs that user runs that need to write to files in that home directory. |
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| 23:54.22 | ddssc | SamanthaD, he's not running anything. he's accessing via ftp to download files. that's all. |
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| 23:55.06 | SamanthaD | ddssc: Oh... I see... Now I see why you want to do what you're trying to do. |
| 23:55.34 | SamanthaD | ddssc: I'm 99% sure there's a better way to do what you're trying to do but it's been years since I've played with the FTP daemons. |
| 23:55.46 | ddssc | righty o.. for all intents and purposes all this user should see is his home dir and nothing else. and there he should only be able to read stuff from. |
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| 23:56.21 | SamanthaD | ddssc: I'm pretty sure most ftp daemons have options for that sort of thing built into them. |
| 23:57.03 | ddssc | SamanthaD, ideally I'd want a fps user only and not a system user. is that possible? |
| 23:57.08 | SamanthaD | ddsec: Also, you could jail the FTP daemon! |
| 23:57.35 | SamanthaD | ddssc: the ftp daemon shouldn't be running as root if that's what you're asking? |
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| 23:58.40 | ddssc | SamanthaD, no. certain users should have full rights. but those user connect via sftp so it's ok. the unsecure regular ftp is what im concerned about. |
| 23:59.12 | SamanthaD | ddssc: Run two ftp daemons. One that's jailed and one that's not. |
| 23:59.57 | ddssc | SamanthaD, how'd I do that? |