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00:02.11JeenaCutMeOwnThroat, thanks for the tip, everything is working now and I even have my first deb for download: https://github.com/jeena/Bungloo/wiki
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00:43.37senchaIs it possible to use the Debian installer to install over existing LUKS/LVM?
00:45.05dondelelcarosencha: if you mean with data destruction, absolutely, If you mean without data destruction, it should be possible, but it probably depends on the LUKS/LVM configuration
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01:04.03medeshow can i re-enable my touchpad through commandlieforanother user?
01:04.10medesi have encountered a gnomebug
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01:22.38dn4is there a list of dependencies debian uses for apt-get?
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01:37.41Guest62231great day chavez died and stalin 60 years ago
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01:59.10ThorjellyHello, Debian starts up xdm for me when I boot, but I usually ctrl alt f1 to the console. However, sometimes when I boot Debian fails to give me a login prompt, no matter which terminal switch I use. And sometimes, the terminal gets cluttered by messages from other processes, even if I can log in. It's extremely inconsistent.
02:00.10ThorjellyLike occasionally it will just be cluttered by log messages from Shorewall for some reason, while other times, these are just logged and not shown in the terminal...
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02:00.17ThorjellyDoes anyone know what this might be about?
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02:06.41Peiwhen a cpu is a dual-core 1.3Ghz processor, does that mean each core is 1.3ghz and it actually runs at 2.6ghz? or does it mean that each core runs at 650Mhz == 1.3 Ghz
02:06.49Peiso. on a quad-core xeon 3.4ghz, each core runs at 3.4ghz and it runs total at 13.6ghz?
02:07.09ninjerslol
02:07.11Pei:P
02:07.45Peiwhat...
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02:07.57Thorjellyunfortunately it does not scale that way
02:08.04Peioh
02:08.05Pei?
02:08.21Peiso take for example my 1.3ghz dual core amd laptop
02:08.28ThorjellyWell, you are right that each core runs at the same frequency
02:08.30Peieach core runs at what...
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02:08.36Peioh
02:08.40Thorjellyexcluding powersaving anyway
02:08.46Peiright....
02:09.07ThorjellyBut you can't run a process and expect it to be 4x faster on a multicore machine..
02:09.22Thorjellyeven if it is a multithreaded process it won't scale linearly
02:09.31ThorjellyIt is mostly useful for running many processes at once
02:09.36Peiah
02:09.37Peii see
02:09.46ManoftheSeano, it runs at 2.6 or 3.4 GHz, it just completes 4 (parallel) instructions per clock
02:09.55Thorjelly^
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02:10.03Peiokay
02:10.30Peiwait tho , i said 1.3ghz dual core running at 2.6 would be the case but it;'s not/
02:10.38Pei?
02:10.51Thorjellyno, it means there are two cores which can both take different instructions at 1.3ghz
02:10.55ManoftheSeasorry, your laptop is at 1.3, 2 instructions per clock
02:11.13ManoftheSeaBut, it can't get future instructions done if they depend on something currently executing
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02:11.25Peioh
02:11.32ManoftheSeaflings a Bottom at StrangeCharm
02:11.34Peii kind of understand now
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02:11.52ManoftheSealike two assembly lines next to each other.
02:12.10ManoftheSeaThe output of one doesn't feed the other, but they can make 2x as much stuff if they can get all their inputs.
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02:14.32Peioh i see, so like if i had a process running on one core, that took up 1.3ghz (100%) another process could still run on the other core at the 1.3ghz (100%) without cutting it down to 50% for each process
02:14.39Peiis that anywhere in the ballpark?
02:15.01Thorjellyyes
02:15.05ThorjellyPretty much
02:15.16Peii see
02:15.19Peinice.
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02:15.38ThorjellySo you can run a process that takes up 100% of one CPU and still use your desktop unhindered, and not have it act slow
02:15.56Pei:)
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02:17.39ac_slaterhey guys, I have a debian chroot built with `debootstrap`... I seem to be missing `/etc/debian_chroot`. If anyone has this file, any clue who made it and what the contents are? thanks
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02:19.28lonmarlonhello guys
02:19.41lonmarloni'd like to ask, how to i filter email?
02:19.59lonmarloncause i got email everyday from stocks
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02:20.18Thorjellydepends on your email client I am sure
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02:20.33lonmarloni have a lenny server
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02:20.43lonmarlonwe use sendmail as email server
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02:21.57lonmarloni noticed that the email regarding about the stocks uses different domain for every message, but it has the same body of email
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02:23.30lonmarloncan you help me thorjelly?
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02:24.14ThorjellyWell, you get these e-mails in a mail client though, not an e-mail server?
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02:24.28ThorjellyNever used lenny or sendmail
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02:24.49Thorjellyor an e-mail server
02:25.13jpinxlonmarlon: you know lenny is not supported any more ?
02:25.21ThorjellyI do use thunderbird sometimes and it has filter rules you can add, and can filter by domain
02:25.25lonmarlonyes i know
02:25.30lonmarlonbut we still uses lenny
02:25.44jpinxlonmarlon: you really need to get a public server up to current stable to have the security
02:25.55lonmarlonwhat do you suggest?
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02:26.04lonmarlonbut this will be a major upgrade
02:26.07jpinxa lenny box will have security holes almost certainly by now
02:26.09lonmarlonand a diffucult tast
02:26.16lonmarlontask
02:27.23jpinx!lenny->squeeze
02:27.30lonmarlonwere planning to upgrade our system to ubuntu
02:27.36LittleCreatureis there a way i can see which packages i have installed from non-free, contrib, etc? dpkg -l lists installed packages but doesnt list where they came from
02:27.42lonmarlonbut our application are all customed
02:27.47jpinx!lenny
02:27.47dpkgLenny is the codename for Debian GNU/Linux 5.0, released on February 15th, 2009.  Lenny security support ended on 2012-02-06, this release is no longer supported.  Lenny users should upgrade to Squeeze, ask me about <lenny->squeeze>.  Removed from the mirrors (2012-03-25), ask me about <lenny sources.list>.  For old Lenny ISOs, ask me about <lenny iso>.  http://wiki.debian.org/DebianLenny  http://www.debian.org/News/2012/20120209
02:28.10jpinxlonmarlon: ^^
02:28.23jpinxlonmarlon: you mean down ¡grade to ubuntu ? ;)
02:28.38lonmarlonubuntu is not that good?
02:28.50lonmarlonyou suggest we use squeeze?
02:28.57zerooneoneanyone have any suggesting for debian packages that do hardware benchmarking?
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02:30.06ac_slaterzerooneone: prime95 has a linux version
02:30.18ac_slaterits only for CPU / memory stress testing though
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02:30.47lonmarlonwhy squeeze is better than ubuntu in server?
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02:31.15Subfuscbecause it is more stable and debian > ubuntu anyday
02:31.33zerooneoneac_slater: thanks i'll have a look. i want to benchmark xen virtual machine vs. baremetal
02:31.40ThorjellyWell ubuntu is more complicated and you usually want servers to be simple
02:31.52ThorjellyBut I wouldn't call either an "upgrade" or a "downgrade"
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02:33.04lonmarlonok nice inputs
02:33.10lonmarloni'll take that in mind
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02:35.08lonmarlonhow about the email? what should we upgrade our sendmail?
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02:39.49owen1iwlist wlan0 scan is working and i can even see my ESSID
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03:37.32dn4I just removed libsane
03:37.35dn4is that bad
03:38.52dn4is there a way to find out all the packages install by apt-get on the system; and have that in one file?
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03:40.59dvsdpkg --get-selections
03:41.00dpkgdvs: bugger all, i dunno
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03:41.58rgwudn4: 'dpkg -l' might help
03:43.01dn4omg that list is long
03:43.48dn4wtf is libass4
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03:44.38ZekeSdn4: subtitle library for mplayer and such iirc
03:45.06dn4I need to strip my OS down
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03:45.35themilldn4: the number of packages installed doesn't matter much
03:45.49dn4themill: why do you say that?
03:45.58dn4themill: I removed dbus
03:46.19dn4what is debian doing using some redhat thing?
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03:49.12ZekeS...
03:49.21dn4especially when Dbus is doing the middle man work for nm-applet to secert service.freedesktop.org keyring
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03:50.13dn4I don't want some IPC running amok; and it caused my kernel to crash at one point
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03:50.38themillyes, clearly using a standardised IPC library is bad and every application should invent its own, incompatible IPC. Then you could have one less package installed on your system. yay!
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03:50.51themilland if dbus crashes your kernel, then that's not dbus's fault.
03:50.59dn4apt-get doesnt' need dbus right? Gcc doesn't need dbus right?
03:51.07themill...
03:51.34themillis all you run on your machine apt-get and gcc? Brilliant!
03:51.50ZekeSthemill: what's the over/under on him coming back tomorrow and complaining about how broken debian is?
03:52.08themillI'm not offering odds on that, particularly given recent form.
03:52.16zinxZekeS: my guess is he's using Ubuntu
03:52.25dn4bs
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03:53.45dn4it seems like KDE won and Gnome started using Dbus
03:54.01themillwonders what that is even supposed to mean
03:54.12zinxdn4: ... quite a few things use dbus.
03:54.17dn4it goes back years
03:54.23zinxdn4: you'll even find it on Android phones.
03:54.24dn4at least around 2008ish
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03:54.42dn4even before that with debian progeny
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03:55.00themillsearches for the user support question
03:55.11dn4http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Progeny_Linux_Systems
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03:56.50dizzylizzyi subscribed to debian-user this morning before I went in for surgery hoping to have lots of nice emails to read when I got home... didn't read the immediate response clearly enough, had to send an email actually subscribing
03:56.53dizzylizzy:P s'ok
03:57.04dizzylizzyplenty of archives to read! :)
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03:57.24dizzylizzyI guess that's a good system for the Debian mailing lists to use, though... signing other people up for things like debian-user would be quite annoying for them I imagine
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04:01.27rgwudo packages in contrib and non-free still go through the same process to get from testing to stable that packages in main do?
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04:03.28rgwuif I wanted to follow a point release, would I want lines in sources.list other than the security one containing squeeze/updates?
04:03.40rgwuassuming I didn't need to install anything else, just update and upgrade
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04:24.04dn4why would gkr-message do something like that
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04:26.31dn4this happened after nm-applet trying to access a keyring
04:26.53themillthis is after you removed dbus?
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04:37.46dn4does the wheezy smaller cd come with wpa_supplicant
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04:43.30MakiAtowhen is debian going to be released?
04:44.10dn4it already is
04:44.30themillMakiAto: Debian has already had 11 releases.
04:44.46MakiAtoyou know what i mean
04:44.57themilldpkg: tell MakiAto about wwwr
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04:45.49MakiAtoyou want me to squeeze bugs?
04:46.00MakiAtosure sounds easy
04:46.13MakiAtoroaches will do?
04:46.38dn4dammit why does wpasupplicant depend upon dbus
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04:48.37themilldn4: why do you think?
04:49.11dn4themill: to access my keyring with nm-applet
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04:51.38MakiAtothe time you folks wast on irc is unbelievable
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04:54.47themillMakiAto: many of us get quite a lot of productive work done on irc. Some like to argue about the number of packages installed on their system instead.
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04:56.59jpinxMakiAto: talking about wasted time is wasting time ;)
04:57.49MakiAto+no its not
04:58.12DebianUsrMakiAto, stop trolling
04:58.16MakiAtoyou have to realized you are waisting time to stop waisting time just like Miguel did
04:58.30themillperhaps it's time to move on
04:59.24MakiAtofreaking hippies you need to tell them everfything
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05:02.43dizzylizzyI'm having a lot of fun reading the Mark threads in debian-user
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05:03.55dn4sweeet I can boot up into irssi on my RC1 wheezy box
05:04.01dn4with out dbus installed
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05:11.09dizzylizzythat's strange
05:11.22dizzylizzyi thought dbus was used by more things, but aptitude says the only thing requiring it for me is rhythmbox
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05:13.02ZekeSdizzylizzy: don't forget to check for libdbus-1-3
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05:14.12ZekeSdizzylizzy: aptitude shows ... 421 packages that depend on that.
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05:15.29ZekeSMainly programs that can USE dbus, but don't actually need a dbus-daemon to run.  Other packages broken down like this are pulseaudio (the daemon itself) and libpulse (client libs for programs)
05:15.34ZekeSand others
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05:19.32dizzylizzylol
05:19.36dizzylizzyfor me only e17
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05:21.47somethinginteresDo I need to install anything special in Debian to get my web browser (Chrome) to display Japanese text?
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05:22.54laserssomethinginteres: ttf-kannada-fonts, I think.
05:24.00somethingintereslasers: thanks. Installing now, will test.
05:24.20laserssomethinginteres: Okay. Let me know. :)
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05:26.52dizzylizzyò_ó
05:27.48ManoftheSeaWasn't kaneda the guy in Akira?
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05:31.48somethingintereslasers: looks like I had to "sudo apt-get install ttf-vlgothic"
05:31.54somethingintereslasers: all working now
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05:33.12laserssomethinginteres: Nice. Thanks. I'll remember that for next time. :)
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05:33.53somethingintereslasers: no worries.
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06:35.51pikarois there any word on where at least sid will get glibc 2.14 or 2.15? 2.13 is from february 2011 according to gnu.org.
06:37.05pikaro*when
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06:43.41yvwcan anybody help with enabling gpu acceleration with intel 945m on debian 6.0.7?
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07:42.45pikaroto expand an earlier question: is there any word on when at least sid will get glibc 2.14 or 2.15? 2.13 is from february 2011 according to gnu.org. alternatively, can I build it just for one application that came as a binary?
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07:48.27blubberdiblublike steam?
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07:49.26pikaroI think steam has a similar issue, yes
07:49.44pikaroI'm trying to run settlers II: back to the roots
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07:51.37blubberdiblubwell, i didn't try getting a newer glibc. i'm still running an older version of steam (and actually don't use it a lot anyway). but it should be possible to run just one binary with a different glibc. one way would be a chroot jail
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07:51.58pikaro(or if I compile it myself, will it be able to use glibc 2.13?)
07:52.28pikaronever used a jail myself. I'll see if I can make something of this.
07:52.47blubberdiblubthat's probably even better if you have the source. does it use any 2.15-specific capabilities?
07:52.59pikarono idea at all, sorry.
07:53.42pikarothe project just went open source very recently, so there's not much information available
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07:54.45blubberdiblubif you can, try compiling it from source
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07:55.39pikaroalright, will try. I thought there wasn't much of a point trying this if it asked for a newer glibc as a binary, but I don't really know how those things are usually done.
07:55.43pikarothanks for helping :)
07:56.34blubberdiblubwell, often times you can compile stuff for older libraries as long as it doesn't make use of any newer features, or the use of them is optional
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08:50.49lateniteDrEeevil, would you maby know why my kvm-machine can not ping the outside world? I have set up a bride on the host and a tap0 for the VM. The kVM shows its eht0 propperly configured and routes look ok too
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08:54.27shiftyi'm just getting comfortable with LVM.  Say I'm adding a new disk to my computer.  Is there any good reason /not/ to partition it as one huge LVM partition?
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08:55.44ChrisHshifty: create a mirror before adding it to LVM, but I put LVM on Linux everywhere :)
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08:59.01shiftyChrisH: sorry, what do you mean by "mirror"?  do you mean backup?
08:59.22ChrisHshifty: mirror = Raid 1
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09:01.30shiftyChrisH: ok, you might have to expand your suggestion a bit.  (I know about RAID, but I'm unclear of what you propose.)
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09:02.56ChrisHshifty: Depending on your needs and how you keep backups you could do following:  Disk -> mdadm - Raid 1 with only one disk -> LVM
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09:04.51shiftyChrisH: ah.  I understand.
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09:07.20ChrisHshifty: this all depends on your need. but LVM will give you flexibility. My standard setup is mdadm -> LVM even if I only use one disk. This allows me to replace disks withput reinstalliung by attaching the disk as new mirror and if the new disk is larger I can simply create another one-way mirror and add it ot LVM.
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09:09.25shiftyChrisH: that is very clever.  I'm addding a SSD to existing hard disk, and moving the "system" across to the SSD.
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09:14.23blubberdiblubChrisH, or you could just grow the raid after you removed the smaller disk
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09:20.07ChrisHblubberdiblub: yep, thats the other way to do it. But I prefer not to change LUN/partition/disk sizes. I saw that fail to often in the past on all kind of unix'ish systems.
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09:23.46blubberdiblubChrisH, yeah, i understand. on linux it would work, tho. if you have partitions you need to grow on a live system, you just must not forget to tell the kernel to reread the new partition table. partprobe does it even if the partitions are currently in use
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09:30.12d4v1d_is it possible to install a package from the sqeeuze-backports or sid repo's in wheezy? I can only find the package in those repo's
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09:30.33d4v1d_Without screwing my other programs I installed via apt-get. Or screwing the whole os
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09:31.06blubberdiblubdepends on what it is and its dependencies. for simple packages it works
09:31.47jpinxd4v1d_: try asimulation and see what it tells you
09:32.12jpinxd4v1d_: aptitude install -s <package>
09:32.22d4v1d_blubberdiblub, it's youtube-dl
09:32.48d4v1d_okay
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09:33.08blubberdiblubthere are more youtube downloaders in the repos than just that one, afaik
09:33.14jpinxd4v1d_: you might try it --without-recommends
09:34.15d4v1d_http://paste.debian.net/240088/
09:34.20d4v1d_output of 'aptitude install -s youtube-dl | pastebinit'
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09:34.55d4v1d_hmm, blubberdiblub. I will do a quick google search. Sec
09:35.13d4v1d_I want one with downloading all users videos support
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09:36.28d4v1d_meh. I'll compile it by hand then.. First 5 hits on google all say youtube-dl or have a tool which requires a gui..
09:37.11blubberdiblubd4v1d_, apt-cache search youtube
09:37.13ChrisHblubberdiblub: On Solaris with VxVM it should work also... But it mixed up anything and we needed to manually fix all
09:37.52blubberdiblubChrisH, sounds like a nasty load of work
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09:38.14arminW: Failed to fetch bzip2:/var/lib/apt/lists/partial/ftp.informatik.rwth-aachen.de_ftp_pub_Linux_debian_dists_wheezy_main_source_Sources  Hash Sum mismatch
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09:38.17armino.O
09:38.29ChrisHd4v1d_: Did this downloader ever worked for you? I tried it and none of the videos I tried was downloadable
09:38.40ChrisHarmin: apt-get update should fix that
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09:39.00d4v1d_it did. on squeeze :p
09:39.04d4v1d_dunno about wheezy
09:39.05jpinxd4v1d_: I use youtube-dl all the time without issues
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09:39.32jpinxd4v1d_: I run it from a shell script
09:39.45d4v1d_I'll just compile it by hand. If I download another tool now I'll have to get used to that.. While I know youtube-dl already for a bit
09:39.45d4v1d_:p
09:39.58d4v1d_"I don't like change" etc.
09:40.18jpinxd4v1d_: it's doesn't need compiling - I just grabbed it and dpkg -i it
09:40.28d4v1d_oh
09:40.29d4v1d_wut
09:40.40jpinxit's only a python/perl script
09:40.47jpinxnot sure which
09:40.49d4v1d_oh, ofc.
09:41.29jpinxsafer to let dpkg manage it - then you'll see any depends problems
09:41.43jpinxbut I didn't have any
09:41.44d4v1d_where did you find the dpkg?
09:41.49jpinxon squeeze
09:41.56d4v1d_oh, I'm so stupid.
09:42.12jpinxd4v1d_: look in packages.d.o
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09:47.51eni23hello at all. im using squeeze with backport-kernel. is there any way to use the fingerprint-reader on a thinkpad?
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09:48.35arminChrisH: unfortunately not, just tried that :)
09:48.49arminChrisH: using another mirror works though, so i reckon a problem at ftp.informatik.rwth-aachen.de
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09:49.35ChrisHarmin: I would delete that file and check my apt-cacher and/or proxy before doing another apt-get update
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09:50.29lantiziaLo, when you've installed a package that gives you an graphical application with a menu entry - i've noticed it goes on about refreshing entries before apt-get quits... what command is that running?
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09:55.25oprhi - do you know how to install the experimental drivers for nvidia on wheezy? Do I have to build them manually?
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09:57.03darsieopr: The driver you can download from nvidia is fairly painless to compile.
09:57.15darsieYou may have to install compiler and kernel headers.
09:57.39oprdarsie, ok, so the instructions on the debian wiki don't pertain to that? or do they?
09:57.42darsieohh, experimental ... what do you mean?
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09:58.09darsiedunno about the debian wiki.
09:58.21darsieYou mean from debians experimental branch?
09:58.32oprdarsie, no the experimental drivers
09:58.42oprI'm on wheezy anyway
09:58.51blubberdiblublantizia, if i were to take a guess, i'd say update-menus
09:59.15oprhttp://www.nvidia.co.uk/object/linux-display-amd64-310.14-driver-uk.html
09:59.15darsieopr: what experimental drivers?
09:59.55oprdarsie, I'm not sure what the guy who told me this meant: he either meant the ubuntu package nvidia-experimental-310 or he meant the nvidia beta drivers
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10:00.31oprwell - 310.23 is later than 310.14 beta anyway , so I'll just install the release drivers
10:00.36darsieI guess you can install them just as any other driver from nvidia.
10:00.56darsiechmod a+x the file and run it.
10:00.58oprok
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10:02.20oprgot to kill X, brb
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10:05.47[jasper]hej guys, is there a way to revert a rm
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10:07.16ankurhi
10:07.33blubberdiblub[jasper], short answer: yes, if you've backed your stuff up, otherwise no
10:08.05[jasper]blubberdiblub what kind of answer is that?
10:08.07blubberdiblub[jasper], you could try some file recovery tools on it, tho
10:08.16ankurwhen i am trying to build package usin git-buildpackage i am getting error at dh_install so do i have to again start from beginning ?
10:08.20ChrisH[jasper]: not really. restore from backup or check for recover  but installing something reduced the chance to get anything back.
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10:09.09ChrisHrecover is a package to get files back. I used it once and got some files back.
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10:09.22blubberdiblubtestdisk is another one
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10:10.41[jasper]ok
10:10.42ankuris there any that i can make changes in the .install files and then again run from that point
10:10.43[jasper]well thanks anyways
10:10.47[jasper]I have a local backup
10:10.50[jasper]so that should be fine then
10:10.56babilendpkg: tell ankur -about mentors
10:10.56[jasper]maybe some recent changes got lost..
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10:11.18babilenankur: IIRC builds are atomic, but there might be a way.
10:11.36babilenankur: fwiw, you could run the remaining commands by hand :-/
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10:11.56ankurokk
10:12.07ankurafter making changes
10:12.50babilenankur: but lets discuss this over in #debian-mentors on oftc
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10:14.55ankurok i have posted the same query there
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10:16.22ankurits on freenode only ?\
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10:18.16contaguys, is there somewhere list of devices that can be bricked with linux install? i have new samsung
10:18.32contabut i wasn't able to find some list or so
10:18.38contaonly some models in some articles
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10:26.07lateniteHi folks, I have trouble starting my LXC what can do here https://gist.github.com/anonymous/5098355
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10:27.07oprok, so I installed the nvidia drivers, but now my second monitor is stuck at 640x480 and the way I fixed it last time isn't working
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10:31.18clukehey guys, anyone know of a lightweight way of zooming? I want to zoom in and out switching to different areas of my screen.
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10:43.40psiklopshi. I am using testing and have gimp-2.8 installed. i would prefer to use 2.6 ... is there a way to use 2.6 from squeeze ?
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10:45.08opris there anyone who can help me with my xorg.conf I need to force my monitor to use a different resolution than it is now
10:46.09psiklopsopr, in the monitor Section of xorg.conf, add= Option       "1024x768"
10:46.17psiklopsfor example
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10:48.30psiklopsopr, heres an example of mine:  http://paste.debian.net/240102/   but it wouldn't hurt to read  $ man xorg.conf
10:48.31oprhttp://pastie.org/6403586
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11:13.36oprwell, my xorg.conf is still not working
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11:26.34thanasiskhow can I reproduce debian hashes? I tried something along the lines of sha512(salt+cleartext) and the output is nowhere near where it is on debian
11:26.54thanasiskmind you, the output of sha512 is in hex
11:27.55thanasiskshould I base64 it?
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11:31.24koollmanthanasisk: which debian hashes are you talking about ?
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11:32.24subb1Hi all.
11:32.45subb1hows logrotation done on a debian system?
11:33.22koollmansubb1: usually, using the 'logrotate' program
11:33.44subb1I mean I do not see any crons set for '/usr/sbin/logrotate' to run the configs at /etc/logrotate.d/ directory.
11:33.58brontosaurusrexhow to check if kernel supports inotify?
11:34.03koollmansubb1: /etc/cron.daily/logrotate
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11:34.36koollmansubb1: which is run by the default entry configured in /etc/crontab on cron installation: test -x /usr/sbin/anacron || ( cd / && run-parts --report /etc/cron.daily )
11:34.37subb1koollman, spot on! thanks :)
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11:35.04subb1thanks koollman.. I was temporarily lost about logrotate.
11:35.24babilenbrontosaurusrex: grep NOTIFY /boot/config-$(uname -r)
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11:39.28brontosaurusrexbabilen, http://paste.debian.net/plain/240110 < does this have any meaning?
11:39.49babilenbrontosaurusrex: yes, it does
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11:40.38brontosaurusrexif the kernel was not inotify enabled, would i get null from that grep?
11:40.40babilenbrontosaurusrex: In general: =y means "baked into the kernel" and =m means "available as a module, you can load it manually if not done automagically"
11:40.50brontosaurusrexoh, ok
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11:41.03babilencommented means "not available"
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11:54.06cardielive changed the time for cron.daily to run in crontab but it will still run at the old time that was set. i restarted cron after editing.. is there anything more i should do?
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12:01.21ChrisHcardiel: I did not understand your question. can you show what you did change where on paste.debian.net and show where you saw it was executed the wrong time?
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12:03.45thanasiskkoollman: I'm talking about the hashes in /etc/shadow
12:03.56thanasiskI'm trying to create them programmatically
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12:09.17cardielChrisH:ok i will paste it wait
12:10.06cardielChrisH: this is my crontab file http://pastebin.com/p5952x5w
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12:11.17cardieli want cron.daily to run at 0:05 every day, but even if i changed this in /etc/crontab and restarted cron via /etc/init.d/cron restart , it runs around 8:00 ( the default time )
12:11.39Towzzeryour timezone might not be set for cron
12:11.56Towzzer/etc/default/cron , check TZ
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12:13.27cardielTowzzer: ok
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12:16.10cardielTowzzer: i reconfigured tzdata , i will have to wait for the next cron to run and see if it works
12:16.41ghost751i tried now 2 times to update from squeeze->wheezy in vmware but always fails
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12:17.34cardielghost751: when i updated from squeeze to testing i just added testing in sources.list instead of squeeze and did aptitude full-upgrade
12:17.42Towzzercardiel, that might be it, not sure
12:17.59ChrisHdpkg: tell ghost751 about squeeze->wheezy
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12:18.11ghost751i put wheezy in sources.list
12:18.17blubberdiblubcardiel, you may have to change /etc/anacrontab if you're using anacron. anacron is good for computers that aren't on 24/7 but a bit out of place otherwise
12:18.23ChrisHghost751: did you follow the idea dpkg showed you?
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12:18.59babilenghost751: And I also assume that you followed the release notes ... Could you elaborate on the "always fails" ?
12:19.35ghost751i followed this http://www.debian.org/releases/wheezy/i386/release-notes/ch-upgrading.de.html#review-actions
12:19.39TuxFighterHi, do you guys know a good HowTo Setup a WLAN manually, because I can find the channel via iwconfig scan but I can´t get connected and I can´t do it via a x-server
12:20.01TuxFighterso I need a cli solution to configure that WLAN without DHCP via SSH
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12:21.39ChrisHghost751: OK, that's what dpkg did recommend. What failure did you see. because does not work is not enough to get recommendations
12:22.11ghost751it cannot install lots of packages because of failing dependancies
12:22.28ghost751and i lost network adapter
12:22.32cardielblubberdiblub: ive checked anacron , and its set to the default 1 5 .. it should run at 08:00 then right?
12:22.40babilenghost751: During which step in the release notes exactly and could you paste the output?
12:22.53ghost751after dist-upgrade
12:22.55cardielblubberdiblub: this is a server so can i remove anacron then?
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12:23.11blubberdiblubcardiel, yes, you can remove it
12:23.17ghost751but i used wheezy in sources.list, not testing
12:23.22cardielblubberdiblub: ok
12:24.00ghost751will restore the machine now
12:24.07ChrisHghost751: that _should_ not make a difference, but _I_ would not use testing but wheezy
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12:24.21ChrisHghost751: can you show us the script logs?
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12:24.33ghost751i did not enable logging
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12:24.49ChrisHghost751: 4.4.1. Aufzeichnung der Sitzung
12:25.09ghost751didnt do
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12:25.16ghost751hey are you chrish from p3d ?
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12:25.55ChrisHghost751: dunno what p3d is
12:26.04ghost751nerver mind
12:26.10ghost751restore now ...
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12:29.06ghost751http://pastebin.com/BrpU4PqY <- my sources.list
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12:32.09babilendpkg: tell ghost751 -about pastebin.com
12:32.47ghost751whats wrong with pastebin
12:32.50babilenghost751: Simply /never/ use that website. There are so many other alternatives, ( http://paste.debian.net , bpaste, gist.github.com, refheap, ...) that it doesn't make sense.
12:33.21babilenghost751: Did you read the factoid? pastebin.com also mangles input and one can never be sure if what we see there is what you actually pasted.
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12:33.48ghost751but u see it, dont u
12:33.55jellypaste.ubuntu.com is nice and stable
12:34.04ghost751i never had any problem with pastebin
12:34.39babilenghost751: I simply don't care about "trending pastes" or ads or being able to share a paste on twatter ...
12:34.51babilenpaste.ubuntu.com is quite minimal and I like to too
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12:36.06ghost751makes us enter a CAPTCHA to see your paste <- this is not true
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12:39.14ChrisHghost751: it does happen and most here do NOT look into pastes on pastebin.com, so you simply reduce the chance to get help. End of discussion!
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13:09.43thanasiskcheers coolman
13:09.50jellykoollman, thanasisk: mkpasswd(1) tool can be used on debian to generate a hash suitable for shadow if that's what you're after
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13:52.48ChelseaHi all, on 2 machines (stable) apt is trying to resolve conflicts... 1600+ and still counting. Did something happen recently? Didn't find anything on google about this.
13:54.19nkuttler!tell Chelsea about errors
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13:59.40ChelseaWell... the command I did was update && safe-upgrade, and the message it says:"resolving dependancies". I was just curious to know if maybe apt had an upgrade or something else that caused this was known.
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14:00.15ChrisHChelsea: sounds like you did aptitude something
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14:01.37jpinxChelsea: how long since you updated/upgraded ?
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14:03.11babilenChelsea: You might have to run "aptitude full-upgrade" and not "safe-upgrade" as some packages might have to be remoed
14:03.14babilen*remoed
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14:05.35ChelseaI did use aptitude, but I upgrade weekly. Is it safe to cancel the safe-upgrade? (and do a full upgrade?)
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14:06.32ChrisHChelsea: its safe to cancel. I would run: apt-get -s upgrade and check there are hints on what failed.
14:06.57jpinxChelsea: you do a full-upgrade weekly ?
14:07.33Chelseajpinx, no, safe-upgrade. I figured that'd be... safer ;)
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14:08.01ChelseaChrisH, thanks, will do that.
14:08.16jpinxcool -- what ChrisH said then ;)
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14:08.56jpinxpeople can save a lot of heartache and uncertainty if they use the -s (simulate) option to see what's going to happen
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14:11.10blubberdiblubthe aptitude TUI is nice for resolving problems, too. and it also shows what's going to happen before actually carrying it out
14:11.25markithi, anyone using samba4 in weezy from experimental? I've "some" issues ;P
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14:11.56zetheroois there any way to know when Wheezy will be stable?
14:12.01markitops, ok, moving to #debian-next
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14:30.17JordiGHOooh, 131 RC bugs.
14:30.33JordiGHThat feels pretty close to release...
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14:31.13kskhey guys.
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14:31.28korhojoaI'd say 1 RC bug would be pretty close
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14:32.55TuxFighterHi I configured wlan0 via wpa_supplicant but after the reboot I can´t get it working anymore: http://pastebin.com/nfQjnnPs
14:33.05JordiGHkorhojoa: Nah, it doesn't have to actually get to zero. Just very close to zero, and that's relative if it started around 600.
14:33.27JordiGHNear the end, the release team just rushes the last bugs.
14:33.37JordiGHPackages either get dropped from squeezy or all the pending uploads are done at once, or whatever.
14:33.52JordiGHFrom wheezy.
14:33.54JordiGHUgh.
14:34.11JordiGHI'm glad the next release isn't called tizzy or louise or something.
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14:39.00ChrisHTuxFighter: did you follow the suggestions made to you? check for the logfile? check for an running instance of wpa_supplicant
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14:39.15Andy80hi, I'm planning to install Debian testing on a laptop. Since there are many different ISO images, is this one ok for me http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/wheezy_di_rc1/i386/iso-cd/debian-wheezy-DI-rc1-i386-netinst.iso ? does it contain proprietary drivers too or do I need to install them later or maybe use a different ISO? Thanks
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14:40.47ChrisHAndy80: I would install these proprietary drivers and _firmware_ manually before doing the final reboot to end installer.
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14:41.48Juanito_FulenciaI added a modeline to get my second monitor supported, and it worked. But the image is just a little to wide so it goes outside the monitor to the left. How do i i solve this?
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14:43.30sam1is there anyway to get hold of exim4 4.77 in debian stable? backports doesn't have it.
14:43.47sam1I need to be able to use smtps for smarthost transport
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14:44.12ChrisH,v exim4
14:44.13juddPackage: exim4 on i386 -- lenny: 4.69-9+lenny4; lenny-security: 4.69-9+lenny4; lenny-backports: 4.72-6+squeeze2~bpo50+1; squeeze-security: 4.72-6+squeeze2; squeeze: 4.72-6+squeeze3; squeeze-security: 4.72-6+squeeze3; sid: 4.80-6; sid: 4.80-7; wheezy: 4.80-7
14:44.16Andy80ChrisH, manually? how? Do you have any howto to link me? please consider that in this laptop I don't have any ethernet port, so if the wifi it's not recognized I cannot net-install anything....
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14:45.13ChrisHAndy80: puh, Wifi is not fully supported during installation, only WEP and I am not sure about which Cards.
14:46.03ChrisHAndy80: just for curiosity, the only Laptop I know without ethernet port is Macbook Air
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14:47.04Andy80ChrisH, this is an Intel Ultrabook. Not a particular brand (Asus/Acer/Dell etc...) it's Intel (it's a developer device)
14:48.03Andy80maybe I can try a live Debian image first, so I can verify if the wifi it's working or not
14:48.10Andy80what do you think about?
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14:50.02ChrisHAndy80: installing from live image should work, too. and this should be able to get all needed stuff onto your device.
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14:51.52Andy80cool!
14:52.27Andy80ChrisH, where can I find a live image of the "testing" version? I was only able to find live ISOs of "stable" version http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current-live/i386/usb-hdd/
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14:55.07dokmaI've built exo package from source to see how some internals work
14:55.22dokmabut it seems that the executables got linked with system libraries that have no debug info
14:55.42dokmaso now I can't trace into the calls that do have sources in the package
14:56.18dokmais there some nice trick I can do with configure to make it link the executable not with system libs but to build it's own debug versions and link that?
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14:56.46dokmaI've already done configure --enable-debug=yes
14:57.10Andy80oh I've found this http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/wheezy_di_rc1/i386/iso-cd/firmware-wheezy-DI-rc1-i386-netinst.iso maybe it's the one I need :)
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14:59.54ChrisHAndy80: or http://live.debian.net/cdimage/release/next/amd64/  just found it. was not obviuos
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15:00.36dawuddokma: what is exo?
15:01.02dokmaa package that provides exo-open that handles stuff like callto:3851999999
15:01.17dokmaI'm trying to get chrome to open twinkle when I click callto links
15:01.27dokmabut exo-open does some banana stuff
15:01.35dokmathat I can't devoodoo
15:02.06Juanito_FulenciaWhat is the alternative to cvt?
15:02.17Juanito_Fulenciai know i used something else a few years ago
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15:03.17dawuddokma: you might need to change whatever toolchain is used to call the compiler with debug flags (assuming gcc, that would be -g)
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15:03.32dokmadawud: it already uses -g
15:03.34dokmathat is fine
15:03.42dokmaI can step into main and debug that
15:03.52dokmabut as soon as it calls some other function from the exo package
15:03.56dokmaI cannot trace into it
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15:04.11dokmamy guess is that it linked sys libraries that do not have debug symbols
15:04.19dawuddokma: are talking about tracing with gdb?
15:04.24dokmaand I don't know how to force automake to build and link debug versions
15:04.29dokmayes
15:04.46dokmaI don't know how to check which libs got linkes
15:04.52dawuddokma: ldd
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15:05.22dokmait linked system version of libexo
15:05.36dokmawhich obviously does not have debug symbols
15:05.57dokmahow do I make it all have debug symbols? that is my question
15:06.07dawuddokma: there's libexo-1-0-dbg, install it and try again
15:06.23dokmaok
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15:07.06dawuddokma: this is a wheezy system, the package version in your case might differ
15:07.18dokmayeah I'm on squeeze
15:07.23dokmait's 0.3.0
15:07.28dokmabut I got your point
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15:08.57petn-randallHi, can I see which packages version on my system are local only? 'aptitude search ~o' will only show me locally installed packages which aren't available in the repos.
15:09.16zetherooI just installed Wheezy from CD1 and now need to install some additional things - the first of which is SSH Server - however when I do apt-get install openssh-server I get "E: Unable to locate package openssh-server"
15:09.17dawuddokma: also, building from source should create all lib and dbg packages as well
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15:09.30petn-randallIf I have a package installed that is newer than in the repos, it can't find it with 'aptitude search ~o'. Any hints?
15:09.35abrotman!tell zetheroo about wheezy sources.list
15:09.52dokmadawud: works... I'm able to step into those lib functions now
15:10.01dawuddokma: ok, cool
15:10.06abrotmanpetn-randall: how about NOT origin ?
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15:12.39dawudzetheroo: do you have sources pointing to something else than cdrom?
15:12.44zetheroocurrently my sources.list file has two lines besides the cdrom entry
15:12.59dawudzetheroo: good timing :)
15:13.24petn-randallabrotman: you mean like 'not(?origin(Debian))' ?
15:14.03zetheroothey are: deb http://security.debian.org/ wheezy/updates main
15:14.18zetherooand: deb-src http://security.debian.org/ wheezy/updates main
15:14.48dawudzetheroo: you need to have some mirror, check what abrotman told you
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15:15.58abrotmanpetn-randall: roughly
15:16.09abrotmanzetheroo: see what the bot told you
15:16.50zetheroowell as far as I understand all I have here are the security update sources ... so I probably need the Main package sources too ... question is where do I get them from?
15:17.14zetherooI don't understand the last bit that the bot was saying :P
15:17.39zetheroooh, I found this http://debgen.simplylinux.ch/
15:17.46dokmathink this is a bug in exo-open
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15:18.04dokmait passes callto: links to a browser due to a regex that flags it as a browser link
15:18.24dokmawhile in the else branch it has a call to gnome-open that would invoke gnomemeeting
15:19.17zetherooshould these sources work? deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian testing main
15:19.17zetheroodeb-src http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian testing main
15:20.01dawuddokma: you could try backporting wheezy's exo pkgs, it might have been fixed already (I don't know how many deps it has, though)
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15:21.56dawudzetheroo: I'd replace "testing" with "wheezy", to avoid surprises when wheezy turns stable. Also you might (or might not) want contrib and/or non-free
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15:22.17zetheroodawud: right - ok
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15:24.35petn-randallabrotman: Hmm, 'not(?origin(Debian)) ~i' shows me 4 packages, which all are the debian version.
15:24.43Sander^workCan I just type "init 1" to be able to do a fsck on the / filesystem?
15:24.51abrotmancute ...
15:25.05abrotmanSander^work: i'd probably shutdown -rF now
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15:25.34Sander^workabrotman, how do I get into single user mode then?
15:25.35petn-randallabrotman: We've got a test system where we occasionally backport stuff, and I'd like to check if we still have our own backported packages on that system.
15:25.44dokmadawud: I'll go check the new version source
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15:28.02dawudpetn-randall: do you tag your packages when backporting? (dch -l ~local "Whatever") dpkg -l | grep ~local
15:28.45dawuddokma: how are you building from source?
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15:29.11dokmawell... I have no plane atm
15:29.25dokmaI might just try to build 0.10.2 on squeeze
15:29.33dokmaand see how it pans out
15:29.56dawuddokma: I'm asking if you use devscripts and the like
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15:30.21dokmaI'm not a debian dev just a fiddler
15:30.31dokmaI'll use what I can to get the job done
15:30.39petn-randallabrotman: We do, but I'm interested in packages that are installed but not in our local repo.
15:31.27dawuddokma: ok, me neither, but I found it very easy to backport stuff with debuild, dget, dch et al
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15:31.38abrotmanSander^work: you can append 'single' at the command line of the kernel if you really want that .. but the -F forces the fsck
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15:31.52dokmadawud: never heard of those
15:31.59dokmawill take a look
15:32.01petn-randallabrotman: I guess I could just pin stable and our repo to 1001 and then see which packages apt-get would like to downgrade, however I'd prefer a more clean solution ...
15:32.04dokmagot any tuts on it?
15:32.48dawud!tell dokma about devscripts
15:33.00abrotmanpetn-randall: you didn't put any identifying strings in the package version ?
15:33.40Andy80mmm... even using the unofficial Debian ISO with all proprietary firmwares, I had to manually download iwlwifi-6000g2b-6.ucode and pass it using an USB pen
15:34.24petn-randallabrotman: We did: '~pf~'. However, "dpkg -l | grep '~pf~'" will show me all our installed packages, not just those that *aren't* in our repo.
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15:34.45abrotmanpetn-randall: you can't diff that out ?
15:34.47petn-randallabrotman: I'm trying to identify all those packages that got thrown out of our testing repo but are still installed on the dev system.
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15:35.38Sander^workabrotman, thanks :-)
15:36.00dokmadawud: thanks man
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15:36.10dokmadawud: I've spent about an hour on this and that's my limit
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15:36.22dokmacan't waste more time trying to get twinkle to open callto links
15:36.31dokmait's too voodooish
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15:37.44abrotmanpetn-randall: oh, there's a flag for something in aptitude i think where the package isn't available anymore?
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15:42.09somiajpetn-randall: there is aptitude search ~o (list packages not available in your repo), and /msg dpkg not available for a more fine tune search to list packages which are not the same version as in your repos.
15:42.11petn-randallabrotman: I think I found it: '?archive()'. I'll see how far I get with that.
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15:43.52unbornokay wheezy works! :)
15:43.53Andy80when does the netinstall (graphical installer) ask the user which desktop they want to install?
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15:44.04petn-randallsomiaj: Ah great, that monstruous search term worked for me.
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15:44.20petn-randallsomiaj, abrotman, thanks for helping! It's very well appreciated.
15:45.07Andy80it only let me select "Debian desktop environment" from the list.... but I cannot choose which one (XFCE, Gnome, KDE etc....)
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15:45.33somiajpetn-randall: note that compares to your current sources, so you may need to modify those since you have a custom repo you are messing with
15:45.43ChrisHAndy80: at the very beginning... install differnt Desktop Env (IIRC)
15:45.48somiaj(or adjust the serch to only look at things from the custom repo)
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15:47.12ChrisHAndy80: below advanced options
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15:48.02Andy80ChrisH, probably I didn't choose the right installation option.... there was "Graphical installer" and "Graphical installer advanced" I did choose the first one
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15:48.55Andy80ChrisH, what if I want to install Gnome later? Is there a meta-package like "gnome-desktop" available?
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15:49.43ChrisHdpkg: tell Andy80 about install gnome
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15:50.15somiajthe text installer is more mature and I would suggest that over the graphical installer.
15:50.31somiajtasksel has an 'other' option I belive in which you can go choose other desktop tasks
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15:51.28ChrisHsomiaj: ACK, I cannot remember ever using the graphical installer
15:51.35Andy80ChrisH, thanks :) what is the difference between  2. 'gnome' (recommended) 3. 'gnome-desktop-environment' (upstream GNOME) ?
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15:52.23somiajChrisH: I don't even use tasksel, install a base system, then drop the cli for the rest.
15:52.28mmcblk0p1I am running a live Debian system from a USB key (I got the live system to the key by issuing "cat debian_live.iso > /dev/sdX). I want to save some data for the next boot. Can you please tell me what location is persistent? This is the output of "df -h": http://paste.debian.net/240135/
15:52.35ChrisHAndy80: dunno. I use what I get :)
15:52.56Andy80ok :)
15:53.00somiajAndy80: where are you seeing these? As debian packages? type apt-cache show gnome and apt-cache show gnome-desktop-enviorment, look at the depends and description and such
15:53.39Andy80somiaj, I'm seeing these in the dpkg bot dialog :P
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15:54.03ChrisH!gnome installer
15:54.05somiajon wheezy gnome-desktop-environment is a transitional package to gnome, this means that it was an old name for the meta package and shouldn't be used
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15:54.33somiajit is equivlant to the 'gnome' package, wich is a meta package that will install all packages classifed as 'gnome'
15:56.02IridosAndy80, they are different meta-packages. Seems what was called gnome-desktop-environment in squeeze is now just called gnome (compare with apt-cache show gnome-desktop-environment)
15:56.21ghost751i have now wheezy update log but its too big to upload to paste.debian.net
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15:57.28somiajghost751: what is your problem, I missed it?
15:57.42ghost751failing wheezy install
15:57.57somiajare you using the debian-install for wheezy, or trying to upgrade from squeeze?
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15:58.05ghost751from squeeze
15:58.06Andy80I see here http://wiki.debian.org/Gnome that the latest available is 3.4, it is not possible to use the 3.6.x one?
15:58.25somiaj,v gnome
15:58.26juddPackage: gnome on i386 -- lenny: 1:2.22.2~5; squeeze: 1:2.30+7; sid: 1:3.4+7; wheezy: 1:3.4+7
15:58.56somiajAndy80: might want to read up on what a frozen system is. When wheezy froze the newest in debian was 3.4 and that will be the offical wheezy version though its lifespan
15:59.16somiajAndy80: once wheezy is released and newer versions start getting put into sid, someone may make a backport for wheezy. But this is a ways off
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16:00.33Andy80somiaj, oh I understand. That's a pity then :\ I would like to be able to use the "testing" as a "rolling release" but having the latest stable version of Gnome 3
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16:00.49ghost751http://paste.debian.net/240138 <- update log squeeze to debian, only last lines contain the error (german language)
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16:01.06haoleI just ran an installation script for a proprietary tool with my user's privileges, but the damn thing used sudo and my sudo is not asking for password... is there a way to know if this thing polluted anything else than my /opt dir?
16:01.21haolelike: compare the filesystem with everything managed by dpkg
16:01.34abrotmanthat seems secure ...
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16:02.40ghost751if i do dist-upgrade again i get lots of dependency errors
16:02.41ChrisHghost751: run dpkg -i /var/cache/apt/archives/gir1.2-cogl-1.0_1.10.2-6_i386.deb  and paste the output
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16:03.12jhutchins_wk!localized errors
16:03.13dpkgRather than hoping that we recognise what has gone wrong from the error messages in your native language, please provide any error messages in English.  You can do this by setting your locale to an English one (e.g. C) prior to running the command, e.g. «LC_ALL=C apt-get -f install»
16:03.35ChrisHmost probably the same as line 13 -> trying to overwrte /usr/lib/girepository-1.0/Cogl-1.0.typelib  which is in  gir1.0-clutter-1.0 1.2.12-3
16:03.44Iridosyeah
16:04.15jhutchins_wkhaole: Disect the script, see what it did.
16:04.17abrotmansomeone did it wrong ...
16:04.20ghost751http://paste.debian.net/240143
16:04.34nkuttlerin squeeze and nobody reported it yet?
16:04.45abrotmandoubtful
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16:05.21ChrisHjhutchins_wk: just for the record: I fixed my iceweasle issue with apt-get install gnat and run update-alternatives
16:05.36abrotmannkuttler: seems to be trying to go to wheezy
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16:06.43ghost751conflict with gir1.2-cogl and gir1.0-clutter ?
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16:07.19nkuttlerghost751: apt-cache  policy gir1.2-cogl
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16:07.26scxhello
16:07.58petn-randallhi scx.
16:07.59haolejhutchins_wk: it is a .bin java executable... not that easy! if I could compare all the files in my filesystem (except by home, tmp and such) with everything that is installed through dpkg, it would be great
16:08.30ghost751http://paste.debian.net/240146
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16:08.59Iridosnkuttler, he did say this is an upgrade squeeze->wheezy
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16:09.07scxhow to determine if flash card connected to flash card adaper is SD (SDSC), SDHC or SDXC?
16:09.16ghost751documentation suggests to remove package
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16:09.55nkuttlerghost751: sounds like a plan, but you should probably also report a bug against the conflicting packages
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16:10.12ChrisHghost751: as you are doing inside a VM and can rerun it.... remove and install it again later this seems to be a good idea
16:10.32nkuttlerghost751: check the release notes though
16:10.37nkuttleris apt-get recommended this time?
16:10.40ghost751i do snapshot and remove it
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16:14.35petn-randallhaole: You could check if it overwrote anything with debsums, but I can't think of an easy way to check if it wrote files to somewhere in you file system.
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16:15.03ghost751that gir1.2... package is not installed hmmm
16:15.34ChrisHghost751: gir1.0-clutter
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16:16.17dawudhaole: those .bin files are usually a script plus some compressed content. less it to check what it does.
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16:17.59haolepetn-randall: in rpm based system there is an easy way to do it (somewhere in superuser.com)... I'll try to write a script to do the same with debian
16:18.06haoledawud: gonna try
16:18.28ghost751http://paste.debian.net/240148
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16:18.41ghost751sry wrong one
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16:20.02ghost751i lost text output because it closed my console window somehow
16:20.04haoledawud: nice call... there is text data in the beggining of the file
16:20.07haoleI hate those .bin crap
16:20.23ghost751but is removed now
16:20.29ghost751should i do now dist-upgrade again?
16:20.36ThorjellyHello everyone. I am in the debian install CD right now. I want to manually, using the shell, try to get a dhcp lease. I don't see dhclient or dhcpcd in the bin folder. There is netcfg, but I am not sure how to use it. There is no man, netcfg -h or --help returns nothing. I am even surprised that netcfg is in the installer considering I don't think it exists as a package in debian's repositories... if this is the same netcfg arch use
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16:21.39babilenghost751: What is removed now?
16:21.47ghost751gir1.0-clutter-1.0
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16:22.27Thorjellyah, I guess it uses udhcpc
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16:22.50babilenghost751: yes, why not?
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16:23.55babilenghost751: Would you mind filing a bug about this after the upgrade? (reportbug gir1.2-cogl)
16:24.09ghost751http://paste.debian.net/240149
16:24.15ghost751i have now tons of errors
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16:25.02unborncan anyone tells me why I cannot play hd youtube videos on wheezy?
16:25.05unbornthanks
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16:25.24babilendpkg: tell ghost751 -about localised errors
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16:25.43babilenghost751: That is a dist-upgrade?
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16:26.12mtnunborn: more info would surely be helpful
16:26.14babilenghost751: And you probably just want "dpkg --configure -a" now (after fixing the issue)
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16:26.36babilenunborn: What happens if you try?
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16:26.45ChrisHghost751: export LC_ALL=C ; apt-get -f install is what I would do now
16:27.17unbornmtn, well i open firefox and play video.. it works but must be bellow 720p heh no error or anything does not even freezes nothing...just keep loading
16:27.33unbornbabilen, ^^
16:28.05cerettala_laptopI feel like I broke my package manager when I added multiarch support :(
16:28.08mtnunborn: thanks, now I understand, though not sure where to go from here
16:28.15babilenunborn: Firefox is not in Debian, how did you install it and the flash plugin?
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16:28.38ChrisHcerettala_laptop: why do you think you broke it?
16:28.40babilencerettala_laptop: Would you mind sharing with us why you feel that is the case?
16:29.02cerettala_laptopWell I went about it the wrong way I think
16:29.03ghost751this is really surprising me because its a squeeze default install with no changes
16:29.08cerettala_laptopInstead of installing hte multiarch-support package
16:29.22cerettala_laptopI did something along the lines of --add-architechture i386 or something of the sort
16:29.24babilenghost751: So, "dpkg --configure -a" does /not/ continue with configuring pending packages?
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16:29.33unbornbabilen, 99% on youtube is not flash anyway only fallback for old browsers will load flash how ever i did not install any flash
16:29.34cerettala_laptopand now any package that depends on an x86 library is accusing me of removing it
16:29.46babilendpkg: tell cerettala_laptop -about bat
16:29.52ghost751(17:26:44) ChrisH: ghost751: export LC_ALL=C ; apt-get -f install is what I would do now <- this is what runs now and installs
16:29.55babilencerettala_laptop: Please provide actual out on http://paste.debian.net please
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16:30.10mtnunborn: so install flashplugin and try again
16:30.25babilenghost751: Ok and how is that problematic?
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16:30.59ghost751didnt finish yet
16:31.03cerettala_laptopOh wait, I found the problem..... I screwed up my apt preferences and pinned the wrong version, there dependency actually WASN'T installed.
16:31.12cerettala_laptopdisregard that :p
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16:31.21lancelot_ofhi there
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16:31.37unbornmtn, could you be more specific why i should install flash for mp4 video?
16:31.39lancelot_ofis there any possibility to have set (social engineering toolkit) on debian?
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16:32.02cerettala_laptopThe correct way to add multiarch support is to install the multiarch-support package though, correct? I've seen several ways to do it, but that is the only one mentioned in the debian wiki IIRC
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16:32.14babilenghost751: btw, that wasn't necessary. You just wanted to continue the previous configuration run. It is typically a better idea to communicate that directly rather than involving higher level tools (that are then concerned /again/ with dependency resolution ... either way ..
16:32.39babilencerettala_laptop: Which version of Debian do you use?
16:32.40mtnunborn: in my experience flash is helpful for you tube. feel free to disregard my opinion/suggestions
16:32.54cerettala_laptopbabilen, wheezy currently
16:33.10ChrisHbabilen: from my understanding apt-get dist-upgrade complained about missing depencies upon restart
16:33.27unbornmtn, thank you.. i was just asking.. as ff support fully html5 video inc. mp4 format
16:33.33unbornbut thank you
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16:34.12babilenChrisH: Yeah, but the previous run would have been continues with "dpkg --configure -a" -- running "apt-get -f install" if okay as well, but I would have liked to see if the original run continues without problems.
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16:34.27babilenunborn: Why do you use firefox?
16:34.38ChrisHbabilen: ok
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16:35.16unbornbabilen, coz I am webdev and I cannot work without specific plugins iceweal is maybe good but luck so many features for me.. sorry
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16:35.31babilencerettala_laptop: wheezy should already support multiarch and you shouldn't have to install multiarch-support manually nor should you have to pin anything. Would you mind pasting "apt-cache policy" along with your sources.list and the output of "apt-cache policy multiarch-support apt" to http://paste.debian.net ?
16:36.03babilenunborn: Which plugins can't you install on iceweasel that you can install on firefox? They are /the same/ apart from the name
16:36.15unbornbabilen, same with thunderbird.. default email client in wheezy is buggy so much and limited too..
16:36.39mtnunborn: boy are you mistaken. they are the SAME except name and logo
16:36.42babilenunborn: icedove /is/ thunderbird and iceweasel /is/ firefox .. I don't quite understand your problem.
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16:36.56Vicissitudearen't they much older versions though?
16:37.04babilenVicissitude: http://mozilla.debian.net
16:37.08cerettala_laptopbabilen, Okay, it is already installed. And my problem is fixed by the way, so any additional help wont be necessary. Thanks. (And I didn't realize it was there by default, my fault for not RTFMing)
16:37.11mtnVicissitude: older than what?
16:37.19Vicissitudewhatever is current (19.x)
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16:37.38unbornheh icedove? heh did not know about it.. babilen so where I can get plugins for iceweasel?
16:37.42babilenVicissitude: You can install /that/ version just fine on every Debian version. That has nothing to do with iceweasel vs firefox
16:37.46mtnVicissitude: most distros have older than current software. only rolling distros are really up to date
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16:38.30Vicissitudeokay then
16:38.38babilenunborn: You get them from the same place where you get plugins for firefox. It is the same program and you can use it in exactly the same way. (with the major difference that iceweasel is well integrated with other packages and that you get Debian's security support and ...)
16:39.31unbornbabilen, hell man why you did not said this before ? going to install it :)
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16:39.47babilenunborn: Take a look at http://mozilla.debian.net if you want to install newer versions of iceweasel
16:39.48unbornbabilen, mtn thanks.. going to try origin programs
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16:40.03mtnunborn: good luck
16:41.23babilenunborn: So, but apart from that: You are using the HTML5 youtube and have problems with HD videos with /that/ ? Do you have that problem in Iceweasel too? Does flash work? (if you don't mind trying that, install flashplugin-nonfree from non-free, "/msg dpkg adobe flash")
16:42.28unbornbabilen, to be honest i did not try it in iceweasel yet.. give me minute and I will tell you.. i hope so I will not need to install flash thingy
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16:43.40ghost751babilen: looks a lot better now
16:43.41babilenunborn: Sure, take your time. That was rather meant as a "This is what I would try now to debug the issue" than a "What?!!! You haven't done that that already? Leave this channel immediately, you puny whippersnapper!"
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16:44.32babilenghost751: Great, it would still be nice if you could file a bug about that issue against gir1.2-cogl-1.0
16:44.35mmcblk0p1I am running a live Debian system from a USB key (I got the live system to the key by issuing "cat debian_live.iso > /dev/sdX). I would like to save some data for the next boot. Can you please tell me what location is persistent? This is the output of "df -h": http://paste.debian.net/240135/
16:44.38ChrisHghost751: you need to rerun the dist-upgrade command
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16:45.59ChrisHghost751: just to make sure its completed
16:46.09unborn:s
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16:46.38unbornincompatible addons...firebug i cannot work without it
16:46.47TheWardenHi, how would I go about debugging a init.d script? I grabbed this script for Samba 4 to use in Debian Squeeze but for some reason its not working, https://wiki.samba.org/index.php/Samba4/InitScript (under Debian Systems).
16:46.49babilenghost751: It is also typically a good idea to check a couple of things /after/ a complete upgrade. I start with removing obsolete packages (aptitude search ~o) and continue with broken depedencies (aptitude search ~b)
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16:48.15unbornbabilen, same problem even with flash thingy.. its just loading.. but nothing is downloaded
16:48.50mtnunborn: give us a link to the problem video please
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16:49.08babilenunborn: This time in iceweasel (which version?) -- Would you mind giving chromium a try? (just collecting data points, I cannot reproduce that problem here, but I am on an extremely fast downlink ...
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16:49.39babilenunborn: Could it be that it is either a problem with a particular clip or could it be that it is simply taking a long time to download? Would you mind sharing a link?
16:49.53unbornmtn, 1st random video on youtube https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z4Ezruu1oeQ it works but must be below 720p
16:49.56WashuWhat tool should I use for getting system temps?
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16:50.14unbornbabilen, problem is with any video.. heh
16:50.23phasmahi, might i please ask for assistance in resolving this issue? http://hastebin.com/tuqukuwevo.avrasm - thanks
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16:50.42babilenunborn: Ok, let me see (quite literally)
16:50.53Washu( found lm-sensors, forgot about it )
16:51.03babilenunborn: No problem here whatsoever, let me try iceweasel
16:51.10mtnunborn: 1080p fine here on chromium, let me check icewesel
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16:51.28ghost751is this now problem of gir1.2-cogl-1.0 or gir1.0-clutter-1.0 because they contain both the same file /usr/lib/girepository-1.0/Cogl-1.0.typelib
16:51.49babilenunborn: It works wonderful both in Iceweasel and Chromium with 720p and 1080p (flash) -- Trying HTML5 now.
16:51.59yvwunborn: How do I enable gpu acceleration on debian 6.0.7 with gnome? The gpu is intel 945m.
16:52.02unbornis idiot
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16:52.18mtnunborn: fine on iceweasel for me, too
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16:52.33unbornbabilen, mtn i just did not rebooted iceweasel - just forgot it to do it
16:52.37babilenunborn: Everything works fine. Any specific reason why you are an idiot?
16:52.55babilenunborn: So, I take it that /after/ you restarted iceweasel it works fine now?
16:53.06unbornbabilen, yap
16:53.09babilenhehe
16:53.12Iridos\o/
16:53.12unbornwas my fail hehe
16:53.16babilenWell, that was ... haha
16:53.17mtnunborn: ouch
16:53.36babilen.oO( Have you tried turning it off and on again? )
16:53.53unbornanyway babilen i would really love to install click to play
16:54.07babilenWhat is "click to play" ?
16:54.47unbornon iceweasel babilen  https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/click-to-play/?src=ss
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16:55.10babilenunborn: Why don't you?
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16:55.43unbornbabilen, got red sign under install button Not available for Firefox 10.0.12
16:56.22babilenunborn: So you need a newer iceweasel version. See http://mozilla.debian.net for instructions on how to install that.
16:56.27babilen,v iceweasel
16:56.28juddPackage: iceweasel on i386 -- lenny: 3.0.6-3; lenny-security: 3.0.6-3; lenny-backports: 3.5.16-11~bpo50+1; squeeze-proposed-updates: 3.5.16-16; squeeze-security: 3.5.16-17; squeeze: 3.5.16-20; squeeze-security: 3.5.16-20; squeeze-backports: 10.0.6esr-1~bpo60+1; squeeze-backports: 10.0.12esr-1~bpo60+1; sid: 10.0.12esr-1; wheezy: 10.0.12esr-1; experimental: 19.0-1
16:57.34ksuhkuunborn, you could try editing the MAXVERSION string of the extension too
16:57.53unbornksuhku, :) i know
16:57.54babilenunborn: As you can see ^^^ wheezy ships with the 10 ESR (extended support release) version ... You can grab 19.0 from experimental if you are using wheezy or see http://mozilla.debian.net for an overview of alternative repositories (for beta, aurora and release on wheezy or squeeze)
16:58.47babilenwonders if pkg-mozilla plans to package the /next/ 16 ? ESR release for wheezy ... it is probably not happening due to the freeze, but still
16:58.59ghost751babilen: is this related? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/cogl/+bug/976676
16:59.06Andy80I've installed Debian and I'm trying to install Gnome3 from the experimental rep. if I do: apt-get install -t experimental ......... I get this error: The value 'experimental' is invalid for APT::Default-Release as such a release is not available in the sources.
16:59.15Andy80do I have to add something to source.list ?
17:00.12babilenghost751: No, it is not. The problem is that two packages contain the same file. This may not happen and the other package should be remove /before/ the new package is unpacked. Just file the bug with your problem and the maintainer can define package relations that ensure a clean upgrade path.
17:00.21WashuAh, does linux-libre not set itself as default straight away; actually was a suposed to do update-grub before restarting?
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17:00.53babilenghost751: Or not necessarily remove, but upgraded ... either way: Its just helpful to have this "on file" so it can be fixed before the release.
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17:01.03Washu(wrong channel :P)
17:01.04babilenghost751: Did you finish the upgrade successfully now?
17:01.37ghost751looks good till now, let me check
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17:02.09somiajbabilen: the experimental iceweasel package is no longer easily installable in wheezy despite that is what m.d.n. says to do, so hopefully they start providing real backports, but I doubt that won't happen until after the release
17:02.21ksuhkuWashu, I think grub defaults to the latest version (biggest ver #, not most recently installed)
17:02.22somiajand by easily installable, I mean with out pulling in depends from sid
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17:03.12ManoftheSeawas someone trying to get the latest Gnome 3 in Debian?
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17:03.22ManoftheSeaI, too, am interested in things since 3.4
17:03.28babilensomiaj: Really? What is the reason for this madness? Can you grab 19.0 from mo.d.n's -release repo?
17:03.51babilenno, that probably won't work
17:03.56somiajAndy80: testing is not a rolling release (one day we may have debian cut for that), testing is a testing release (that evolves based on bugs and packages comming though sid). In debian, big things such as gnome will always lag even getting into sid, partly because debian need to ensure it fits debian policy and runs on every one of its supported arches.
17:04.06unbornbabilen, okay i got it.. how ever could you help me with one simple issue please? where I can find preferences in icedove.. dont see any menu there
17:04.23babilenunborn: I don't use it (nor intend to)
17:04.36unbornaha
17:04.39somiajAndy80: if you want to run the stable gnome version from upstream in debian (Even probabaly if you ran testing or unstable) you will still most likely have a lag or have to compile it yourself
17:04.40ghost751babilen: everything ok
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17:04.42unbornthank you anyway
17:04.47babilenghost751: yay!
17:04.56ghost751thx a lot
17:05.09ghost751so i will email this bug
17:05.13babilenghost751: Checked "aptitude search ~o" and "aptitude search ~b" already?
17:05.43babilenghost751: Just run "reportbug gir1.2-cogl-1.0"
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17:06.13ghost751search ~o and ~b bring some packages
17:06.17somiajbabilen: well I always thought having an experiemntal package as the instructions on m.d.n for wheezy was stupid. I recentally downgraded to wheezy to freeze with it, and ran into this issue. The version from experiemental requires at least one libary which is not in wheezy due to a version issue, it is like a 2.13 vs a 2.14, but still I do not think that is a good suggestion, espically on a page we send people to get decent advice.
17:06.34Andy80somiaj, so I should "upgrade" to sid if I want to do install Gnome3 in that way? Anyway I really can't belive that nobody has packaged it already :\
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17:06.58ManoftheSeasomiaj: thank you for the explanation.
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17:07.31haoleI have a binary here in which ldd reports a missing dependency: libperl.so
17:07.41babilensomiaj: I completely agree - I would prefer it a lot more if pkg-mozilla would simply provide repos for /all/ suites
17:07.45haoleis there a sane way to make this binary point to libperl.so.5.x.x?
17:07.53haoleor just using alien symlinks in my fs?
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17:08.11somiajAndy80: that is not what I said. Right now sid has the same version on wheezy. If you have to have the newest and gratets gnome in a timly fashion you will have to compile it yourself
17:08.13IridosAndy80, testing is not in its "normal" state (if such a thing exists) at the moment
17:08.15babilensomiaj: So, this means that you have to install packages from sid /right now/ in order to be able to install 19.0 from exp?
17:08.19Iridosdpkg, tell Andy80 about freeze
17:08.24somiajbabilen: in wheezy, yes
17:08.29babilenack
17:08.33babilenThat is unfortunate
17:08.49somiajbabilen: i'm unsure how many libs it is, I know it is just one of them, and that is where I said screw it the 10esr version is good enough for me
17:08.58babilenyeah
17:09.00jellyhaole: step 1) install libperl-dev, gain the libperl.so symlink step 2) ??? step 3) profit
17:09.06ghoromI like potatoes
17:09.20unbornokay.. im going to reboot to see something.. I think few things are not ready on wheezy.. how ever it is superb distro! :)
17:09.36ManoftheSeaI love the read-only root in wheezy.
17:09.37ghorompotatoes are good
17:09.50jellyghorom: your 3.2.0-3-686-pae is too old!  Upgrade.
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17:09.54somiajAndy80: the reason why it is not packaged for debian is it is not an easy task, you are talking about hundereds of packages and multiple arches which all have to be tested and compiled for and any bugs fixed
17:10.00haolejelly: you are right... I was missing the libperl-dev :(
17:10.01haolethanks
17:10.11Andy80Iridos, yeah I know what "freeze" is. I just thought it was still possible to install anything, just like in Ubuntu with PPAs
17:10.12babilenghorom: Do you have a Debian related question?
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17:10.31somiajAndy80: so beyond the work debian has to put into gnome to make it work nicely, we are in the freeze right now. So the devs are spending their time fixing the bugs in the wheezy version and do not have the time to package the upstream version.
17:10.33mmcblk0p1when does APT delete packages from /var/cache/apt/archives that are purged from the system?
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17:10.48jellyhaole: binaries built in a sane way should not link against libperl.so, though, but sometimes you don't have a say in it
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17:11.06babilenmmcblk0p1: When you run "aptitude [auto]clean" or "apt-get [auto]clean"
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17:11.35somiajAndy80: PPA's are just additional sources, in the end you have to be very careful about this. Making a source that plays nicely with debian (or even ubuntu) takes a lot of work, and my rule of thumb is do not trust unofical sources because they usually break things
17:11.38mmcblk0p1babilen: autoclean removes only packages that are no longer downloadable and clean removes all debs...
17:11.43Iridosor when /var/cache/apt/archives gets over a certain size (1GB, I think)
17:11.50babilenmmcblk0p1: yes, exactly
17:11.53Iridos3GB?
17:11.55somiajAndy80: also realize ubuntu only supports a very few arches and less packages than debian. This makes it far easier to get things set up for ubuntu.
17:12.04mmcblk0p1babilen: I only want to delete those debs that are not installed on the system
17:12.06ghoromyes, I tried to install wheezy on a machine, in the detect network and hardware section, it freezed, what's the problem, google showed me it is already reported as a bug, but I don't know if it is ok in last built images? that'll be a large 4gb for me to download the image only for testing. I want to make sure.
17:12.17garciawebdevhi, a (maybe lame) question: ¿how do I install package foo in sid (unstable)? I'm on wiki.debian.org/DebianUnstable, but didn't understood
17:12.21babilenmmcblk0p1: So use autoclean
17:12.41mmcblk0p1babilen: ...
17:13.01jhutchins_wkghorom: It's often recommended that you use the tested, known good installer for stable, then upgrde to testing if you want to test.
17:13.19jhutchins_wkghorom: This installer is one of the last pieces of the release to be finalized.
17:13.22mmcblk0p1babilen: I don't wish to delete packages that are no longer downlodable but those that are not installed on my system
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17:13.51somiajgarciawebdev: what version of debian do you run? If you do not understand that, then you should not be running unstable. Most likely you are not running unstable and *should not* install packages from there
17:13.57babilenmmcblk0p1: Ah, well ... Run autoclean and /then/ compare the list against what you have installed. I am not sure if this functionality has been implemented
17:14.22ManoftheSeawhy do you want to save cached, installed .debs?
17:14.23garciawebdevsomiaj i need Node.js and it's not on stable
17:14.29Iridosanyway, it seems to make little sense to have packages you have installed in /var/cache/apt/archives and remove them when you uninstall them
17:14.31somiajgarciawebdev: then you have to backport it
17:14.34mmcblk0p1might not have been implemented... whatever, thanks anyway
17:14.48babilenmmcblk0p1: Or remove the entire cache and redownload every installed package
17:14.52ghost751HAHA i sent the bug with root mail address
17:14.54somiajgarciawebdev: if you try to install unstable packages on stable you will most likely break things, and if you don't break things, you will have a time bomb hiding on your system.
17:14.55garciawebdevoh
17:14.55Andy80somiaj, thanks
17:15.05Iridosif you have them already installed, you don't need them. You need them when you do not have them installed anymore due to removal or upgrade and reconsider and want to have them back
17:15.06mmcblk0p1babilen: how to I redownload installed packages?
17:15.10ghoromnice idea, I'll try dist-upgrade from squeeze, and liking potatoes in the same time
17:15.40jhutchins_wkIf the packages are already installed there is no reason to re-download them.  Clearing the cache is fine.
17:15.58mmcblk0p1babilen: I am running a live system. Can I say something like download all packages installed on this system minus the ones that were preshipped with the live system?
17:16.12babilenmmcblk0p1: "aptitude download ~i" (to PWD) or "aptitude reinstall --download-only ~i" come to mind
17:16.28mmcblk0p1babilen: ah, right. Thanks
17:16.35jhutchins_wkWhy download packages that are already installed?
17:16.41Iridosghorom, it is usually sufficient to download the netinstall image ... and then install the other packages from the net directly
17:16.49garciawebdevsomiaj, i think i don't care about that, since everyone needing Node.js will install it even being unstable. for me, t's a test system (VM), i'm writing documentation on how to setup a Node env on linux and chosen Debian as one of the OSes
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17:16.57babilenmmcblk0p1: See http://algebraicthunk.net/~dburrows/projects/aptitude/doc/en/ch02s03s05.html for fancier search terms. (you could for example exclude packages in the standard task, see "/msg dpkg standard" for a query)
17:17.07ghoromIridos, what if one does not have a stable internet connection?
17:17.23somiajgarciawebdev: Then do it the right way, do not mix stable and unstable, end of story. Make a backport
17:17.39garciawebdevsomiaj, if it can't be done, ok, i drop Debian from the guide, but it seems weird for me, Node.js is pretty stable even if it's not 1.0
17:17.42mmcblk0p1babilen: thanks. Interesting
17:17.58jhutchins_wkghorom: Since netinstall only downloads the packages you need it can actually work better on an unstable connection.
17:18.01ghoromIridos, is it okay to download squeeze net install, and instead of downloading all those squeeze packages and then upgrade to wheezy, install all the wheezy packages instead?
17:18.05Iridosghorom, then it'll not be easier to download a huge image that contains lots of packages one is not going to install?
17:18.13somiajgarciawebdev: what package is it in?
17:18.56garciawebdevsomiaj it's "nodejs"
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17:19.26ManoftheSeagarciawebdev: package what you use, use what you package.
17:19.36somiaj,check backport nodejs
17:19.49garciawebdevsomiaj there's no backport for nodejs
17:19.50ManoftheSeaghorom: it's also possible to debootstrap a wheezy FROM the debian installer.
17:19.55haolehow do I build a package for i386 when I'm in a amd64 system? (with dpkg-buildpackage)
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17:20.08ghoromI'm not sure what debootstrap is
17:20.15garciawebdevManoftheSea sorry, i'm new to Debian, not sure how to proceed
17:20.16ManoftheSeaman debootstrap
17:20.16ghoromis it kind of potato?
17:20.22somiajgarciawebdev: it is not even easilly bakported, it appernetally depends on various libs that are not available in debian stable. Getting it to run on debian stable will require a lot of work (to do it in an correct way)
17:20.23ghorom!debootstrap
17:20.23dpkgdebootstrap can create a basic Debian system from scratch, without apt/dpkg.  Useful for installing in a <chroot>.  It is key to installing Debian GNU/Linux from a Unix/Linux system, ask me about <install guide>.  http://wiki.debian.org/Debootstrap  http://www.debian-administration.org/article/Installing_new_Debian_systems_with_debootstrap
17:21.00ManoftheSeayou used to be able to install potato with debootstrap.
17:21.04Iridosghorom, mmmh, I guess you could upgrade the minimal system, then install the tasks with "tasksel" afterwards
17:21.22babilen,checkbackport nodejs
17:21.23juddBackporting package nodejs in sid→squeeze/i386: unsatisfiable build dependencies: Build-Depends: openssl (>= 1.0.0g), libv8-dev (>= 3.7), libssl-dev (>= 1.0.0g), libev-dev (>= 1:4.11), libc-ares-dev (>= 1.7.5).
17:21.34babilenIOW: Not gonna happen
17:21.39garciawebdevsomiaj, thanks for your help. i don't have time to dive into this now. from my perspective, this package is pretty stable and it's available on many other systems. but i think each one has it's own stability policies.
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17:22.18somiajgarciawebdev: I don't know why it is not in wheezy, but I'm sure building it in wheezy will be easy. So the next debian stable will not have this issue
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17:22.46garciawebdevsomiaj i hope so!
17:22.54ghoromdoubts about downloading netinst small cds or smaller cds ?!
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17:23.14somiajbut as a frozen system, it is not about the 'stability' of the package, it is about the stability of integrating the package, and depending on libaries that are not in squeeze is the issue
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17:23.55somiajso though nodejs may be 'stable', having to upgrade say openssl in squeeze could cause unstabality with other things that depend on openssl. Which is what a frozen system avoids.
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17:25.20nkuttlergarciawebdev: the problem with nodejs is that the devs chose to call their binary "node" which is far too generic and also conflicts with another debian package which is a policy violation
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17:26.08garciawebdevnkuttler :(
17:26.09nkuttlergarciawebdev: i just build it myself..
17:26.09somiajnkuttler: ahh that is why it is not in wheezy?
17:26.40nkuttlersomiaj: yeah. i think upstream also doesn't want to rename it, and other packages depend on it etc. it's a big mess..
17:26.55nkuttler!nodejs
17:26.55dpkgsomebody said node.js was an event-based server-side <JavaScript> engine.  Currently in sid and experimental only, see http://bugs.debian.org/611698
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17:27.15somiajnkuttler: yea, and I guess it is debian's fault for the devs being foolish. (:
17:27.32somiajI just see .js and figure it isn't worth thinking about. (:
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17:27.54nkuttlersomiaj: not for you maybe. it's a huge thing in web dev
17:28.38somiajYup, and since the webbrowser is now the most used software these days it will only continue to be huge
17:28.55ManoftheSeayeah, when you're developing the web, you have to make everyone download oodles of javascript so that your page can look nice.
17:29.18ManoftheSeait helps if you run it through an obfuscator, so that it's all one line of functions named "a" and "b"
17:29.43nkuttlerManoftheSea: that's not obfuscating, it's compressing
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17:30.01nkuttlerand proper compressors do much more than that.
17:30.09ManoftheSeano, gzip is a compressor
17:30.40ghoromcan one install potato (debian 2.2) on today machines?
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17:30.48nkuttlerghorom: you can try
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17:31.10Vicissitudethat would be fun to try
17:31.53ghoromwhere can I download old versions?
17:31.57nkuttlerghorom: you most likely won't have support for some hardware you really want to use
17:32.14ghost751hmm aptitude search ~b is showing up packages but apt-get check is not
17:32.18jellyghorom: /msg dpkg ado
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17:33.08somiajghorom: any reason why?
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17:33.33somiajghorom: the sources are still available, but hardware is one issue. And age of software and security are another.
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17:34.13somiajghost751: what is the ~b flag searching for again?
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17:34.22ghorombecause I like potatoes
17:34.22jellysomiaj: this troll only likes to eat potatoes
17:35.14somiajghorom: the nice thing about free software is you can do what ever you want with it. The catch is you may be on your own if you have a potato kink
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17:35.58ghoromversions older than 3 are not available at debian archive
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17:36.37somiajyes they are, just only as source
17:37.17ghost751aptitude thinks that some modules are installed which are not, how can i fix this
17:37.31ghoromyou mean I have to compile it?
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17:37.36somiajghost751: what do you mean by modules?
17:37.42ghost751sry packages
17:37.44somiajghost751: correct
17:37.47nkuttlerghost751: again, show command + errors
17:38.08ghost751the status is pB
17:38.09jellyghorom: you have to install from floppies or floppy images.
17:38.10somiajghost751: could you say paste the output you are seeing, because that dose seem odd
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17:38.23cardamonWhat's the default signal sent by kill?
17:38.27ghoromshit
17:38.45ManoftheSeaSIGTERM
17:38.52ManoftheSeaor -1
17:38.53jellycardamon: it's literally the first sentence in the manual.
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17:39.02jellycardamon: shame on you!
17:39.22cardamonjelly: Well, I was really thinking of a different question.
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17:39.58ghost751http://paste.debian.net/240162/
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17:40.21cardamon...what do most programs do when they exit?  Is killwith SIGTERM considered a prompt for a clean exit by most?
17:40.38reavengreynope
17:40.43reavengreyposix exit()
17:41.56ghost751aptitude remove seems to "remove" it
17:42.01jellycardamon: if you mean a service-like program that's not intended to ever exit on its own, then yes, a TERM is an appropriate indication to ask it to clean up its mess and exit quickly.
17:42.18cardamonI'm using xmonad and kill seems to be the default method for closing a "client" window.
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17:42.30nkuttlerghost751: there's no error in that paste
17:42.45jellycardamon: kill or xkill?
17:42.47cardamonAlbeit, it's xmonad/haskell's kill, now that I look at it.  I'll
17:42.51ghost751was wondering why aptitude shows them as broken
17:42.56cardamonI'll ask the xmonad crowd.
17:43.01ghost751if they are not even installed
17:43.01nkuttlerghost751: pB  asterisk-modules.. that should be purged and B.. something
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17:43.45somiajB seems to mean broken, the only package in that list that is installed is libtiff4-dev
17:44.06cardamonjelly: Now that I pay closer attention, it's a qualified call to a kill function in haskell.  Which means it might not be the kill program I thought it was.  It's probably smarter than that...I'm just curious.
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17:45.00somiajghost751: do you want aptitude search ~i~b?
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17:53.45ghost751(18:45:00) somiaj: ghost751: do you want aptitude search ~i~b? <- should i worry if this displays a lot?
17:54.39somiajhmm, I thought that would only show installed and borken, guess it is showing installed or broken?
17:55.32ghost751yes installed or broken
17:55.51ghost751strange is, if i remove one "broken" in aptitude after that a new one shows up
17:56.00somiaj"A search pattern consists of one or more conditions (sometimes known as “terms”); packages match the pattern if they match all of its terms.", it should be and, not sure what is going on there
17:56.30somiajyea works here, I get no output (Cause I have no borken packages)
17:58.57ghost751http://paste.debian.net/240164/ <- i dont understand this
17:58.57ghoromhow much does the 180mb netinst image will download during installation to setup a graphical system? what about non-GUI version ?
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17:59.20somiajthe netinstall is actually a full base system
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17:59.49somiajso the base system is on the 180meg image, and you will only download the additional packages you want
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18:00.03somiajso how much more you download depends on how many packages you want to install
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18:14.31nate_his there anyway to provide a package-selection file when removing packages?  resolvconf always has a dialog box which the user simply presses ok on, but this prevents me from scripting its removal
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18:15.25ghost751will reportbug send the bug over mail ?
18:16.37Iridosyes
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18:17.58ghost751will this work if i sent from root@debiantest.intern.net oO
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18:18.41ghost751i guess not ...
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18:21.22Iridosnate_h, --assume-yes?
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18:21.37nate_hIridos, hmm, its an "ok" box, not sure that's a yes
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18:24.06Iridosread manpage/TIAS
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18:27.09MattixHello
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18:27.39Mattixalsa stopped working... I tried purgin and reinstalling it but it didn't work.. where shoud I start to find the problem?
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18:28.34somiajMattix: define stop working?
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18:28.42Mattixno sound
18:28.43somiajyou must have done something
18:28.52somiaj!tell Mattix about alsa check-list
18:29.02somiaj!tell Mattix about alsa checklist
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18:29.09Mattixthanks!
18:29.12somiajthose are things to check
18:29.19somiajagain since you had sound you may not need all of them
18:29.26IridosMattix, fuser /dev/dsp /dev/snd*
18:29.33somiajit could be some program using alsa crashed and is blocking the device from other programs using it
18:29.40somiajwhich is what Iridos is having you check
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18:30.19MattixI tried rebooting the system to check just that ^
18:30.32zykotick9somiaj: "you must have done something" actually, on wheezy my alsa devices switch between 0 and 1 between reboots... a udev rule is required (that i haven't gotten around to figuring out yet).  so "done something" can be reboot ;)
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18:31.00somiajzykotick9: yup, there are ways to deal with alsa peristance, but they aren't easy
18:31.11Iridoszykotick9, NEVER reboot!
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18:31.30Mattixdpkg: 3) <pulseaudio> or other daemon stopped?
18:31.32dpkgMattix: are you using Windows?
18:31.32somiajmy solution was to write a simple script (I call it scard), that can easily change my default sound card -- also makes switching between sound cards easier for me
18:31.35MattixI don't have pulse audio
18:31.39Mattixdpkg, no, I'm in debian
18:31.40dpkgMattix: have you tried http://www.tldp.org/ ?
18:31.45somiajMattix: those are just common things to check, use what applies to you
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18:32.55Mattix<dpkg> Mattix: have you tried http://www.tldp.org/ ? <- what for? :P
18:33.00winter!botsnack
18:33.00dpkg:), winter
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18:33.39Mattixargh, never mind.. I thought it was somiaj writing >_>
18:33.45IridosMattix, dpkg is a bot
18:33.47Mattixwill check who writes what next time lol
18:33.49Mattixyeah, I know
18:33.51Mattixbut I didn't read the nick
18:34.18Mattixok, so I checked everything in dpkg's alsa checlist
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18:34.47somiajwere you able to get audio as root? that is the big one near the ned
18:34.48somiajend
18:34.51Mattixnop
18:34.59Mattixit didn't work
18:35.28somiajcheck your sound cards, cat /proc/asound/cards -- is the 0 sound card the correct one?
18:35.42Iridos... but didn't check what I suggested
18:35.46somiajsometimes headphones are useful if your speakers/amplifer went bad
18:35.47Mattix<PROTECTED>
18:35.48Mattixyeah
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18:35.59MattixIridos, one sec
18:36.11Mattixok, I executed fuser /dev/dsp /dev/snd*
18:36.11Mattixnow?
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18:36.33IridosMattix, well, does it give you a pid?
18:36.42Mattixno o.o
18:36.43Iridosor just complain /dev/dsp is missing
18:36.49Mattixnothing at all
18:36.56Iridosoops
18:36.58Iridosand type
18:37.02Iridosfuser /dev/snd/*
18:37.06Iridosnot /dev/snd*
18:37.16Mattix/dev/snd/controlC0:   3281  3554
18:37.35Iridoshm, that's only the mixer though
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18:38.38somiajcould you just have it muted in alsamixer?
18:38.47Mattixno, I double checked that
18:38.49Iridoscan still check what that is with ps aux |egrep '[3]281|[3]554'
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18:39.03Iridosbut probably one is alsamixer, the other gnomes mixer
18:39.05Iridosor somesuch
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18:39.11jeffrinhello all
18:39.17jeffrinhow are you all doing ?
18:39.37boudiccaswhat can read a .chm file please? the only options that i'm given are 'hh', which doesn't load, or 'gedit' which crashes
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18:39.52Mattixyep Iridos, one is kmix, the other is "kdeinit4: kded4"
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18:40.14jeffrinboudiccas : xchm may help
18:40.36jeffrinboudiccas : try apt-get install xchm
18:40.53MattixI'll reboot and try with a live CD just in case.. cya
18:40.59somiajboudiccas: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_Compiled_HTML_Help -- seems to list some non windows readers
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18:41.19boudiccasthanks, doing it atm
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18:42.21Iridoshaha
18:42.25Iridosdpkg, list alsa users
18:42.25dpkgTo see what processes are using (and perhaps blocking) your sound device: ps `lsof +D /dev -F rt | awk '/^p/ {pid=$1} /^t/ {type=$1} /^r0x74..$/ && type == "tCHR" {print pid} /^r0xe..$/ && type == "tCHR" {print pid}' | cut -c 2- | uniq`.  Alternatively, fuser -v /dev/snd/* /dev/dsp /dev/mixer
18:42.44Iridosobviously the first one is preferable for brevity :P
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18:42.55somiajcommit that to memory
18:43.07Iridosoh well, he left anyway
18:43.22Iridosactually probably should run the fuser command as root
18:43.32Iridoselse only shows your own processes now, I think
18:43.34somiajwatch the problem be a hardware mute button he hit
18:43.56Iridosor speaker plugged into microphone jack :)
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18:44.25boudiccasjeffrin:  i just install it with 'install xchm' and it just works, thanks  to aliases :)
18:44.32somiajI just wish I could put my sblive into my laptop...nice card has been making noise for me for 10+ years now
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18:44.51jeffrinboudiccas : :)
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18:46.04ruckosomiaj: same, but with a GUS.
18:47.30pmohmm strange, no Suhosin in wheezy :s
18:47.58boudiccasjeffrin:  thanks, xchm hits the target and is the bees knees, brilliant :)
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18:48.42pmothis really sucks :/
18:48.44jeffrinboudiccas : :)
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18:48.50somiajpmo: http://packages.qa.debian.org/p/php-suhosin.html -- if you are courious why it is not going to be released
18:48.59abrotmanpmo: check the BTS, i think there's a clear reason
18:49.05somiajpmo: backporting it (or installing it from sid at this time) may work
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18:49.53somiajthough I'm finding the email that states why packages were removed from wheezy to generic, might need a deeper search
18:51.34pmowhat when wheezy goes stable?
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18:53.30somiajwheezy has been in the freeze for over 6 months now, it is getting closer and closer to stable
18:53.31pmoanyways its ok, im used to secure php on centos anyways
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18:56.06ghost751woohoo i uploaded first bug report
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19:01.40Iridospmo, or bugs.debian.org/675312
19:02.05pmoIridos: its ok, i will secure it myself :)
19:02.30Iridosyou might look at that bug anyway
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19:04.36pmoIridos: i did look at it :)
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19:04.51pmowhen i have wasted my time i dont need it anyways :)
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19:06.20BeWilledupgraded to debian wheeze and smbclient pops this error out when trying to connect to windows share:NT_STATUS_LOGON_FAILURE anyone know what samba verions squeeze was using?
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19:07.39DammitJimwhen I got to /usr/share/docs/python for example, I don't see all the docs (no html directory)
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19:16.24silidan1hi, how does one make a share in /home/squeezeuser/foldertoshare, so that users from winXP and Ubuntu machines (multiple usernames) can create adn write and copy files into this shared folder, but the squeezeuser also has full access to these files ?
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19:17.21abec0simple tee-like sound recorder of «w/ever is playing now» on a fresh debian stable install (say with tasksel «Graphical desktop environment» selected)
19:17.35abec0I am looking for a ^
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19:20.09TheWardenHi, is there a way to get x11vnc to run via an init script?
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19:22.11TheWardenI just want VNC to run as a service/daemon so that when the server is booted up it will be accessible via VNC.
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19:26.25jelly-homeTheWarden: could you not write an init script yourself using the /etc/init.d/skeleton as a... skeleton?
19:26.32barrapontojust installed debian wheezy (testing) and when I boot it up it shows some pulseaudio warnings
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19:27.15jelly-homeTheWarden: first figure out the _exact_ way x11vnc has to be called to a) attach to the login manager X session and b) not die after the first connection ends
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19:30.06TheWardenjelly-home: yes I could, but I'm confused as to if I use x11vnc or vnc4server to achieve this. In the past I've always used x11vnc however in this case I need it to run as a service/daemon
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19:30.46nxchamphi room
19:31.13ChibaPetbarraponto: If they're "pulseaudio is configured for per-user settings" or similar, that shouldn't cause any issues. I've never actually looked at the options there, but I have no issues with sound here.
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19:31.16jelly-homeTheWarden: they're used for different purposes.  Do you have to attach to the login screen and the X session running on the console?
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19:33.21barrapontoChibaPet: thanks. I'm having issues with pd and alsa/pulseaudio, so i thought those messages could be related.
19:33.45barraponto(truth is as soon as I open PD it warns me that the 64bit build is unstable)
19:33.53barrapontocan I install 32-bit packages in Debian 64-bit?
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19:34.25TheWardenjelly-home: yes, I think I understand this. maybe a bad way to describe this but vnc4server is like rdp, it creates separate x sessions but x11vnc connections to the current login screen/x session.
19:34.35ChibaPetbarraponto: Yes, you can - let me find you a reference.
19:34.35TheWardenjelly-home: I need x11vnc then... mm okay.
19:34.43barrapontoChibaPet: thanks a lot :)
19:34.47TheWardenjelly-home: I need to create a init script then to make this work I guess.
19:35.15ChibaPetbarraponto: http://wiki.debian.org/Multiarch works
19:36.02ChibaPetbarraponto: Note that if you're building, there can be issues where i386 development libraries depend on i386 packages that conflict with amd64 packages. When I need to build for i386 on my amd64 box, I do so inside a chroot.
19:36.03jelly-homeTheWarden: and rdp can connect to the console as well! :-)
19:36.51barrapontoChibaPet: I guess I'll just get the 32 bit packages and avoid building stuff.
19:36.53barrapontothanks
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19:37.05ChibaPetbarraponto: If you're just installing them, that's generally fairly straightforward.
19:37.21swebhow can i find out ... my wget using dns caching .. i installed bind9
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19:37.46Mattixalright.. so now the sound is working u.u
19:38.09barrapontook, will try later
19:38.40barrapontoi guess the actual issue is between alsa and pulseaudio but I'll try to get as many stable pieces in this puzzle as i can get
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19:40.07TheWardenjelly-home: yes true
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19:47.23zoozhi people
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19:48.05zoozcould you link me to deb packaging tutorial for beginners please?
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19:48.56jhutchins_wkIt's been my experience that x11vnc runs within an X session and does not allow for session management/remote logins.
19:49.09Iridosdpkg, tell zooz  about packaging
19:49.18jhutchins_wkSome of the other VNC servers will share the current session, these days most won't by default.
19:49.22Iridoszooz, especially also /msg dpkg nmg
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19:50.06jelly-homejhutchins_wk: indeed, but notice that a running *dm with a login screen is also an X session that x11vnc can attach to
19:50.50Iridosbut only if run as root
19:50.55jelly-homesure
19:50.56Iridosshudders a bit
19:51.05zoozgood stuff, thanks
19:51.31Iridoszooz, not a very easy (or short) read, though
19:51.56AlasdairrEvening all - I wondered if anyone familiar with running production Debian servers might be able to offer some advice. We're running some very high traffic Load Balancers (Running Zeus/Riverbed Stingray), and they've been choking. They're on Debian 6 on Dell R610s.
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19:52.10zoozIridos, I've done quite a bit of RPM packaging, so I am familiar with general packaging
19:52.24AlasdairrI've ordered Dell R620 units and will also be installing Debian 6, but the kernel version is quite old and the R620 comes with very new igb based Intel NICs
19:52.35jmd`Is there a simple app to test my sound card/speakers ?
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19:52.58jhutchins_wkAlasdairr: Is there a reason you're on an old kernel?  How old is "old"?
19:52.59AlasdairrI want to run a newer kernel, and install the latest Intel igb driver from intel.com. On the kernel front, I imagine my options are: Use a backport from Debian 7, or compile my own
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19:53.17Alasdairrjhutchins_wk: Just whatever Debian 6 comes with, 2.6.32-5-amd64
19:53.22LtLjmd`: speeaker-test -c 2 -t wav
19:53.28AlasdairrObviously its been apt-get upgraded with security updates etc
19:53.39jhutchins_wk,kernels
19:53.40juddAvailable kernel versions are: experimental: 3.8-trunk-686-pae (3.8-1~experimental.1); sid: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.39-2); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.35-2); squeeze-backports: 3.2.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.2.35-2~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-48squeeze1); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-35~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-29)
19:54.08jhutchins_wkAlasdairr: Do you know for sure that 6.32 doesn't support your chipset?
19:54.17AlasdairrWell this is what I'm wondering - what would people recommend I use in production on this server given the high traffic nature of them, the very new hardware, and the need for a balance of stability vs speed
19:54.35jmd`LtL, Thanks.
19:55.08LtLjmd`: welcome
19:55.09Alasdairrjhutchins_wk: The hardware the R620 is based on (chipsets etc) weren't even etched in silicon when that kernel came out
19:55.32AlasdairrI am sure it'll run, but I am not convinced I'll be getting optimal performance
19:55.34jmd`(it seems that the sound card isn't working :(
19:55.36jhutchins_wkAlasdairr: Intel's been pretty good about consistency in their API/ABI.
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19:56.03AlasdairrThe Ivy Bridge stuff has a new interrupt controller for example, I forget the name, would need to look it up
19:56.18AlasdairrThe Intel i350 is very interrupt driven
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19:57.21ManoftheSeaHey guys, a basic question here... if a user, let's say "nslcd", is in the group, say, "tls-cert"...
19:57.39ManoftheSeaand a file is 440, with owner "root" and group "tls-cert"
19:57.53ManoftheSeaThen a process running as nslcd:nslcd should be able to read it, no?
19:58.42jhutchins_wkAlasdairr: I think the best answer is for you to set one up and test with it.  After all, your network, your applications.
19:58.51AlasdairrYeah
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19:59.10Alasdairrjhutchins_wk: I was going to try the 3.2 backport, its a shame there isn't something between 3.2 and 3.8
19:59.20Alasdairrits like "conservative option vs extreme bleeding edge"
19:59.46jhutchins_wkAlasdairr: Remember that Debian 3.2 is not kernel.org 3.2.
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20:01.57jasonsmrIf I were to convert a dep package for use with SLE_11 what would the version of Debian prove to be a best fit (lib wise)
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20:02.30jhamboHi folks.  I was running a raid 1 array with two 500 GB disks.  Disk one failed completely.  I'm unable to boot off the second disk.  Should it be possible to boot from the second disk and use the system without a second drive in place (it's replacement wont arrive for a few days)?
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20:03.27orzelhello. I'm not using debian and as such i'm not familiar with this. I'd like to check the current 'patch' applied by debian to the kernel. Is there an easy way to get this patch ? or should i download the debian 'kernel' and diff myself..?
20:03.32jmd`jhambo, I suppose that depends on how the raid was configured.
20:03.49orzelany hint/link to relevant stuff would be appreciated.
20:03.52Alasdairrjhutchins_wk: In what sense?
20:04.31jelly-homejhambo: it's possible the raid is intact and the data is ok, but the boot loader wasn't set up properly to deal with absence of one disk and devices being reorded
20:05.00jelly-homejhambo: so: boot off a livecd/liveusb, mount your system and reinstall the boot loader
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20:05.18Alasdairrjhutchins_wk: also, really appreciate the information/advice - thank you :-)
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20:05.54jhambojelly-home: the data on the second disk seems to be in tact.  I am able to mount the various partitions no problem.  I've tried to reinstall the boot loader on the second disk.  However, I must be doing something wrong because when I boot I just get the grub command line.
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20:07.23jelly-homejhambo: can you at least boot manually from there?
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20:10.01drwarnerorzel - did you get your answer?
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20:14.26drwarnerorzel - take a look at the entry for your kernel on packages.debian.org and you can see the source package and diff on the right hand side of the page - for example, linux-image-2.6.32-5-amd64 from squeeze: http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/linux-image-2.6.32-5-amd64 - the diff is linked on the right side of the page http://security.debian.org/debian-security/pool/updates/main/l/linux-2.6/linux-2.6_2.6.32-48squeeze1.diff.gz
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20:16.39zophyhow can i bring to the foreground a job that was put into the background by a different psuedo terminal than the current one ?
20:17.05jelly-homezophy: you can't.  Next time, use screen
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20:17.40zophyit's an X program too
20:17.41ManoftheSeaor tmux
20:17.51ManoftheSeahaha, no.
20:17.54zophymust be a way
20:18.06orzeldrwarner: (i did not have the answer) thanks a lot for your links, should be enough indeed
20:18.06ManoftheSeaWell, there are ways.
20:18.23ManoftheSeaYou could use something like VNC to bring the whole display
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20:19.10jhambojelly-home: I tried and it starts to boot okay but then hangs when it gets to (or past) loading the usb devices.
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20:19.38zophy2721 pts/2    S      2:52 emacs -fn 12x24
20:19.41jelly-homejhambo: you'll have to daemonize x11vnc somehow
20:19.41zophyhmm
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20:20.32orzeldrwarner:  is it ok that i only find 2.6* and no 3.* ? I know debian has the reputation of being kinda behind... but kernel 3.0 has been released looong ago. (..no?)
20:21.32jelly-homeorzel: it's ok.
20:21.56orzeljelly-home, drwarner : mm, indeed, http://security.debian.org/debian-security/pool/updates/main/l/ only list 2.6
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20:22.18jhamboHere is what I did, which may be stupid: I live booted off a usb key then did "mount /dev/md0 /mnt; grub-install --root-directory=/mnt/boot/ /dev/sda".  I should say that md0 is where / is located
20:22.56TheWardenI'm trying to write an init script for x11vnc, and when I run update.rc-d x11vnc defaults I get returned to me "insserv: warning: script 'x11vnc' missing LSB tags and overrides". What am I doing wrong?
20:23.21jelly-homeorzel: indeed.  You should not look at the contents of a particular repo if you want to determine whether there are any security fixes.  read /msg dpkg tracker of doom
20:24.16jelly-homeTheWarden: /msg dpkg missing lsb tags
20:24.27jhambojelly-home: whoops forgot to add your name to the comment above
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20:25.38jelly-homejhambo: mount /dev/md0 /mnt; is a good beginning, but then you should probably mount --bind /dev /mnt/dev; mount --bind /sys /mnt/sys; mount --bind /proc /mnt/proc; chroot /mnt
20:26.14jelly-homejhambo: and then do an update-grub and a grub-install /dev/sda from inside the chroot
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20:26.25WolfXapt-get upgrade prompts me if i agree i wanna download 418 MB ! why so big ? I'm using Wheezy.
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20:26.51jelly-homeWolfX: because there were many updates since you last did that?
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20:27.32srab0Hi all! I have little python script: http://pastebin.com/kiH4vs27   Q: How to write output to file from script, not redirection?
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20:28.08WolfXok , there are office programs, phyton and several others that i don't need. I only wanna make sure i'm secure with my box. How can i just install security updates ?
20:28.29ompaulsrab0:  http://www.python.org/community/irc/
20:28.43jelly-homesrab0: that's possibly better asked in ##python channel?
20:29.02nicknI just found out something scary: I can connect to a production server with TFTP
20:29.11nicknhow can I turn the tftp server off?
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20:29.27kli0rfnickn: probably in inetd.conf
20:29.29nicknI don't need, I don't want it and I don't know how this should be possible on a standard debian installation.
20:29.34nicknwhy is it turned on?
20:29.45ompaulnickn: it isn't by default
20:29.49nicknyes
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20:29.51jelly-homenickn: tftpd is not present in the base system.
20:29.54nicknI know, so it has been turned on
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20:30.08nicknhow can I list the open ports and their programs?
20:30.41orzelnickn : netstat -anp
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20:30.47ompaulnickn: slow down, /etc/init.d/tftpservernamegoeshere stop   or server tftpservername stop
20:30.49jhambojelly-home: let me make sure I understand that before I start entering commands.  That looks like I would be mounting directories from the live usb boot over the existing ones on the second raid drive. Why do I want to do that?
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20:31.07TheWardenjelly-home: yes, I'm looking at that but I still don't see what I'm doing wrong. here is the init script, https://gist.github.com/anonymous/c4bc0a323e44a2273105
20:31.09ompaulnickn: secondly have a look in /etc/init.d/ for server names
20:31.09jelly-homeompaul: tftpd is typically an inetd based service
20:31.15ompauldoh
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20:31.46ompaulnickn: see jelly-home's comment
20:31.55ompauldisconnects
20:31.57nicknah
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20:32.06kli0rf22:29:27 < kli0rf> nickn: probably in inetd.conf
20:32.09jelly-homeTheWarden: that dot before /usr/bin/x11vnc looks out of place, for one thing
20:32.29nicknthere is no inetd.conf?
20:32.36WolfXjelly-home: i temporarily only allowed securtiy URL in sources.list then did apt-get apdate && upgrade , result is : Reading package lists... Done , Building dependency tree       , Reading state information... Done 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. My box is uptodate in terms of security ?
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20:33.04kli0rfnickn: /etc/inetd.conf
20:33.07kli0rfor /etc/xinetd.conf
20:33.13jhambojelly-home: hmmmm okay maybe I understand.  That's where the real hardware lives.  The ones leftover on the second raid drive are bogus
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20:33.32jelly-homeWolfX: yes, if your sources.list is complete and correct for the given debian release
20:34.15jelly-homeWolfX: hint: it's not enough to just have security.d.o enabled.
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20:34.49TheWardenjelly-home: okay, but in regards to missing LSB tags and overrides what am I missing or done wrong? I haven't tested the script yet as I want to get this part fixed first.
20:34.54jelly-homeWolfX: /msg dpkg wheezy sources.list
20:35.18jelly-homeTheWarden: that's just a cosmetic warning
20:35.49TheWardenjelly-home: Okay, but still what is it lol ?
20:35.59ws2k3how can i stop the cron for munin-node ?
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20:37.33cihhan_Hi all! I'm trying to install Debian 6 on the system; but for one of the computers I am failing -- after installation, when I reboot, I don't see GRUB and it waits there (the cursor blinks but nothing else). Any suggestions?
20:37.34jelly-homeTheWarden: hm... does the factoid not provide links explaining?
20:37.57TheWardenjelly-home: yes, but I'm not seeing it. I guess its okay, I was just trying to understand what I did wrong.
20:38.46jelly-homeTheWarden: I don't see anything obviously wrong either, except the magic comment "## BEGIN INIT INFO" does not have three hashes
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20:39.03nicknHow can I find out what process listens on udp port 69?
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20:39.31jelly-homenickn: add -u to netstat options
20:39.34kli0rfnickn: netstat -alntp | grep LISTEN | grep 69
20:39.57jelly-homenickn: and read its manual page, so you get an idea of what you're doing
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20:40.14nicknnothing is listed but I can clearly connect to the server via its normal domain over tftp
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20:41.25jelly-homenickn: really, you don't see any line with :69 when doing netstat -...u... ?
20:41.28nicknno
20:41.34nicknbut I can connect to it via tftp
20:41.41jelly-homenickn: are you running it as root?
20:41.44nicknby using its domain, its ip address or localhost
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20:41.49nicknyes, I used the netstat command as root
20:42.08jelly-homenickn: does anything answer in tftp protocol?
20:42.57nicknjelly-home: status says it is connected
20:43.00jelly-homeor are you just sending packets and there's no response, not even an icmp port unreachable
20:43.11nicknjelly-home: I can also change mode (ascii, binary)
20:43.16nicknbut tftp doesn't support list command
20:43.19nicknso I don't know what to get
20:44.03nicknConnected to ip-address-of-production-server-outside.  Mode: netascii Verbose: off Tracing: off  Rexmt-interval: 5 seconds, Max-timeout: 25 seconds
20:44.12kli0rfnickn: ls -l /etc/xinetd.d
20:44.29nicknls: cannot access /etc/xinetd.d: No such file or directory
20:44.40kli0rfgrep tftp /etc/xinetd.conf
20:44.52nickngrep: /etc/xinetd.conf: No such file or directory
20:44.55nicknI did this as root
20:45.03jelly-homenickn: could you be misinterpreting what tftp client says as being "connected"?
20:45.08kli0rfdpkg -l | grep tftp
20:45.08dpkgNo packages found matching | grep tftp
20:45.37nicknjelly-home: when I use tftp client with some dummy ip address I get an error message
20:45.48nicknjelly-home: when I use the ip address of production server I am connected with prompt
20:45.52nickntftp prompt
20:46.06jelly-homenickn: I mean, it says the same thing for my desktop even though I have no inetd or tftpd running.
20:46.16nicknso it is a false positive?
20:46.46nicknI try to put something
20:48.33jelly-homeyou can always confirm by sniffing the traffic at the supposed server, if it doesn't send any kind of response...
20:49.52TheWardenjelly-home: oh man I didn't see that. Thanks, that fixed it!! Cheers!
20:49.52nicknTransfer timed out.
20:49.54nicknso the server doesn't answer
20:50.02nicknbut why can the tftp client connect to it?
20:50.05TheWardenwell I'm off to test this init script at boot up.
20:50.37kli0rfafaik netstat -alntpu | grep LISTEN | grep 69 would show if your server is listening on udp 69 port
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20:51.08march06any else notice that evolution is broken?
20:51.29march06evolution in testing, when run from KDE, crashes KDM
20:51.52march06I haven't done a stack trace or anything, but I can reproduce it easily
20:51.52jelly-homenickn: I don't think there's a connection established at all.
20:52.32nicknjelly-home: because it is udp and tcp?
20:52.37march06also, can the next debian be debian gnu/kdragonflydbsd?
20:52.59homes_march06: if you make it so
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20:53.55march06homes_: what about evolution?
20:54.03jelly-homenickn: it's just how that simple protocol works
20:54.17ManoftheSeahmm, how to debug pam?
20:54.31ManoftheSeaI can log in locally, but ssh login fails.
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20:54.40dmonjoapt-get install icecast2
20:54.47dmonjounable to locate package
20:54.51dmonjohow cani solve that?
20:55.14nicknjelly-home: good, so the server is ok then
20:55.16homes_march06: you can fix that, too
20:55.20kli0rfdmonjo: apt-cache search icecast
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20:55.35jelly-homedmonjo: can you show your /etc/apt/sources.list file on paste.debian.net?
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20:55.54dmonjojelly:  it doesnt contain any good repos
20:55.56dmonjoonly the dvd
20:55.57jelly-homedmonjo: which debian release are you using?
20:56.00dmonjo6.0
20:56.08jelly-homedmonjo: /msg dpkg squeeze sources.list
20:56.09dmonjosource.list is naked
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20:56.12dmonjocan you provide me some
20:56.20TheWardensighs
20:56.43TheWardenthe init script https://gist.github.com/anonymous/370020096de476750092 didn't work. It works fine running it manually buy doesn't run at boot up for some reason.
20:56.45wskypats TheWarden
20:56.47TheWardenAnyone have any ideas
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20:57.26wskydo your init levels contain smlinks to it?
20:57.40march06but seriously though
20:57.40wskysymlinks
20:57.59march06are you aware that running evolution causes kdm (in testing) to restart
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20:58.11march06is that a known bug
20:58.25march06just started happening when i did an upgrade a few days ago
20:58.33march06I upgrade daily
20:58.34nicknthe tftpd-hpa server uses the syslog as logfile
20:58.39TheWardenwsky: I'm sorry I'm really new to writing init scripts and I'm not sure what you mean. All paths to the bin file and password are direct paths and not symbolic links if that is what you mean.
20:58.40nickncan I change the logfile
20:58.45nicknI want to let it log into a separate logfile
20:59.23nicknbut there is no option, also not mentioned in man pages
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20:59.40wskyTheWarden: well, debian contains /etc/rc?.d directories that cantain symlinks to your init sripts that re allowed to run
21:00.38wskyTheWarden: if your runlevel lacks the link to the script, the script wont run
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21:02.35dawudnickn: filter in syslog and use whatever file you want to
21:04.00wskyTheWarden: you can add your script to a runlevel using update-rc.d; you can specify the runlevels by hand or in case when your script contains default runlevel information you can use the update-rc.d auto option
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21:04.25TheWardenwsky: well I have it in here, /etc/rc0.d/K01x11vnc which shows this, lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 16 Mar  6 14:49 /etc/rc0.d/K01x11vnc -> ../init.d/x11vnc
21:04.52TheWardenwsky: I just did update-rc.d x11vnc defaults
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21:05.04nickndawud: one can route syslog to different log files? wow
21:05.07wskyand what is your current runlevel?
21:05.13_jbanyone here use preseeding with debian squeeze?
21:05.18nickndawud: if this is possible, why don't do all programs use syslog instead of providing a log path option?
21:05.31TheWardenwsky: I believe the issue is that x11vnc is trying to run before X server is running, not sure how to fix this as the system boots up and sits at the prompt until someone logs in.
21:05.46dawudnickn: good question
21:06.07_jbmore specifically, preseeding over the network with debian squeeze
21:06.24nickndawud: it would be more unix philosophy-like
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21:07.23dawudnickn: it's an interesting topic. rfc5424 and others.
21:07.24wskyTheWarden: first of all: what is your current runlevel? second thing is that you can delay the script by modifying the numerical value in the symlink names, best with update-rc.d; higher it gets - later it runs
21:07.50TheWardenwsky: well I believe the run level is 0.
21:08.09kli0rf:)))
21:08.14kli0rfTheWarden: type 'runlevel'
21:08.17dawudnickn: also http://cee.mitre.org/
21:08.50nicknnice
21:08.51TheWardenkli0rf: runlevel returns N 2
21:09.01kli0rfthat means your current runlevel is 2
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21:09.15wskyTheWarden: yeah, 0 is for stopping the system
21:09.26kli0rfnow just update-rc.d script_name enable 2
21:09.32TheWardenmmm okay, ahh
21:09.54jelly-homenickn: syslog is common on unix-like systems.  Some apps are portable to more than just unix.
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21:10.19nickndawud: so CEE is a functional superset and more portable than syslog?
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21:12.15TheWardenso I feel dumb asking this but how do I change the run level then, by altering the update-rc.d statement when adding it? I already removed the init script.
21:12.50ManoftheSeatelinit <newlevel>
21:12.54wskyTheWarden: update-rc.d --help
21:13.32dokmaI must be an idiot... after 20 years in IT I cannot change UI language of Google Chrome on Debian
21:13.42dokmais it some magical woodoo that is required?
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21:14.31wskydokma: i belive it needs a lang package, then it sets the system local language
21:14.47wskydokma: otherwise you get english only
21:15.06dokmaI want english
21:15.13dokmait does croatian right now
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21:15.30dokmawhich I speak natively but when IT terms are in question my native language sucks monkey balls
21:15.55wskydokma: i supose you'd need to set locale in one of your terminals and run it from there or write a short script
21:16.08dokmawsky: let me try that one....
21:16.20TheWardenso I would do something like that "update-rc.d x11vnc enable 2" instead of "update-rc.d x11vnc defaults"
21:16.47kli0rfTheWarden: probably both would do the work for you
21:17.05nicknHow can I set up a syslog filter on debian? I saw something about syslog-ng.
21:17.57TheWardenkli0rf: well I did "update-rc.d x11vnc defaults" and the script didn't work.
21:18.39dokmawsky: this doesn't cut it: export LC_ALL=en_US.UTF-8 && export LANG=en_US.UTF-8 && google-chrome
21:18.39dokma<PROTECTED>
21:18.52kli0rfTheWarden: did you do insserv /path/to/the/script before?
21:19.11TheWardenkli0rf: no I'm not aware of this to be honest.
21:19.37kli0rfTheWarden: your script is /etc/init.d/x11vnc, right?
21:19.47wskydokma: lemme run debian with chrome
21:19.58TheWardenkli0rf: yes
21:20.20kli0rfTheWarden: so try insserv x11vnc
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21:20.29kli0rfand after that update-rc.d
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21:20.59TheWardenwell I just did "update-rc.d x11vnc defaults" and then I ran "update-rc.d x11vnc enable 2"
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21:21.39kli0rfTheWarden: ls -l /etc/rc2.d | grep x11
21:22.10TheWardenkli0rf: results, lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root  16 Mar  6 15:21 S18x11vnc -> ../init.d/x11vnc
21:22.24kli0rfTheWarden: it means the script should work
21:22.43TheWardenokay, well I'm going to reboot this system and see if this run level change made any difference.
21:22.52TheWardenbrb
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21:24.19nicknany ideas?
21:25.44wskydokma: well, i've ran LANG=en_EN,UTF-8 && chromium-browser in my terminal and it switched to english
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21:26.12wskydokma: maybe you had other instance of chromium with croatian already running?
21:26.15dokmahmmm... perhaps it's the idiotic tendencies of google chome
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21:30.03dokmayeah... it was due to another instance
21:30.18dokmawsky: when I run first instance with env variables set it's in english
21:30.28wskycool
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21:37.06TheWardenwell I have the run level 5 for the x11vnc init script but that didn't work. Looking at the /etc/rc5.d/ I noticed that my script is at S18 and really I'm thinking I need it at S22 as the last item to run. how would I do that?
21:37.27TheWardenThis script can not be run until X server is up and running.
21:37.49TheWardenif x11vnc  doesn't find it, it will not load.
21:38.10TheWardenI feel like I'm going about this wrong or something as this shouldn't be so difficult one would think.
21:38.35kli0rfTheWarden: i'd do it by the hand, removing old symlinks in rcX.d dir and creating the new ones
21:38.46jhutchins_wkTheWarden: Are you in runlevel 5?  2 is standard in Debian.
21:39.33jhutchins_wkTheWarden: init scripts have dependencies, and they run in numerical order, so your DM has to run before the script and the script needs to depend on X.
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21:41.07wskyTheWarden: you're probably running 2nd runlevel as jhutchins_wk is saying and best to use update-rc.d script_name start 22 2 .
21:42.12nicknQUESTION: What do I have to install to get the /etc/syslog.conf?
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21:42.18nicknBecause there is none
21:43.07wskynickn: and what about /etc/rsyslog.conf?
21:43.29nicknthere is no rsyslog.conf
21:43.40kli0rfimpossible
21:44.12nicknit is
21:44.13nickn:(
21:44.30kli0rfhmmm
21:45.08wskynickn: i supose you need rsyslog
21:45.44kli0rfit should be installed by default though..
21:46.03nicknit was not installed
21:46.07nickndefinitely
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21:48.05jhutchins_wk!confmiss
21:48.06dpkgYou have to especially tell the packaging system to reinstall config files because when they are gone, it is assumed that you want them to stay deleted.  "aptitude -o DPkg::Options::='--force-confmiss' reinstall $packagename" will restore them (man dpkg for details).  If the package uses <ucf> for config file management, ask me about <ucf confmiss>.
21:48.37ToApolytoXaossomeone to help a bit with apache user, www-data specifically? should www/ be of user / group "www-data" or a simple user would do?
21:49.50ManoftheSeawell, if your apache runs as user "www-data", and you want to access the files under /var/www, then you ought to make them owned by "www-data"
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21:50.18wskyflawless user limit ;p
21:50.33ToApolytoXaosOK, that's logical. how to edit my files though?
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21:50.41ToApolytoXaosi get access denied
21:50.50ToApolytoXaosas simple user i mean
21:51.02ToApolytoXaoseven though i have my user included in www-data group
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21:53.02ManoftheSeawhat permissions?  644?
21:53.06TheWardenjhutchins_wk: I'm in runlevel 2 but I did update-rc.d x11vnc enable 5 to set script to runlevel 5.
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21:54.33ToApolytoXaosManoftheSea, a project is with 755 and still does not run
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21:57.22ErVitoiceweasel crashes randomly (i think). It's never happened...any idea??
21:57.38ToApolytoXaosflash?
21:57.59ErVitoproabably but i'm not sure...
21:58.07ToApolytoXaosthen check it
21:58.13ToApolytoXaosis it the proprietary version?
21:58.17ToApolytoXaosif yes, run an update
21:58.28ErVitoit happens with youtube but also with google translate
21:58.42ToApolytoXaosyou have any plugin installed?
21:58.47ToApolytoXaosfirebug or something?
21:58.48ErVitono
21:59.25ToApolytoXaosthen i would suggest to open your terminal and run it without the '&' to observe any crashing issue
21:59.27ErVitoupdate-manager doesn't report any available update
21:59.35_jbno one does network installs with d-i?
21:59.55_jbgonna go back to trying to make FAI act less stupid in 48 hours at this rate.
22:00.01ToApolytoXaosErVito, update-flashplugin-nonfree --status
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22:00.07ToApolytoXaosas root
22:00.17ErVitoToApolytoXaos: ok
22:00.26ToApolytoXaosthere's a new release
22:00.32ToApolytoXaosi'm upgrading too
22:00.42ManoftheSeaToApolytoXaos: you are trying to mess with your files, in /var/www, as a user?
22:00.51ManoftheSeaor the web server doesn't serve them?
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22:01.27ToApolytoXaosManoftheSea, i am working locally on various projects and up to now i never had issues with a normal user editing files
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22:02.06ToApolytoXaosthis is the first time an issue appeared, right after i modified files for a local wordpress project that wanted user and group "www-data" to match with apache user
22:02.12WolfXanyone good at openvpn /routing ?
22:02.16ToApolytoXaosso i could upgrade automatically
22:02.17TheWardenwsky: mmm I'm trying to do that but now I'm getting messages like "update-rc.d: warning: x11vnc start runlevel arguments (2 3 4 5) do not match LSB Default-Start values (2)".
22:02.23ErVitoToApolytoXaos: unrecognised option '--status'
22:02.31TheWardenwsky: update-rc.d: warning: enable action will have no effect on runlevel 22
22:02.41ToApolytoXaosErVito, do you have this command installed?
22:02.49ToApolytoXaoswhat kind of debian version are you using?
22:02.54ToApolytoXaossqueeze or wheezy?
22:03.09WolfXyesterday i hardly configured Win7 to connect to openVPN server( on debian) but it accesses the internet directly (not through VPN)
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22:03.40TheWardenkli0rf: mmm by hand, there must be a way to do this with the command to ensure its setup properly.
22:03.47ErVitoToApolytoXaos: sure, it has only install, uninstall, verbose and quiet options
22:03.55ErVitoToApolytoXaos: 6.0.7
22:04.05ErVitosqueeze
22:04.29ToApolytoXaosah, i'm using wheezy and i don't know if this script has changed in wheezy
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22:04.47ToApolytoXaosnevertheless, try with install
22:04.51ToApolytoXaosit should work just fine
22:05.15ErVitoToApolytoXaos: ok
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22:05.45ErVitoToApolytoXaos: crashed again
22:06.00ToApolytoXaoshave you closed your browser before you run the script?
22:06.06ErVitonaturally
22:06.18ToApolytoXaosopen your terminal
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22:07.43ErVitoToApolytoXaos: then?
22:07.59ToApolytoXaosthen run "iceweasel" and wait for it to crash.
22:08.03ToApolytoXaoswe need the results
22:08.10ErVitook
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22:08.34ErVitoToApolytoXaos: anything debug/verbose option?
22:09.15ToApolytoXaosapart from gdb, nothing else that i'm aware of
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22:09.24shelloxhi
22:09.26ErVitoToApolytoXaos: simply: illegal instruction (LOL)
22:09.34ErVitodbg?
22:09.39ErVitogdb*
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22:09.55shelloxdoes anyone use KVM on debian here? I have some issues with installing a machine in a bridged network
22:10.01ToApolytoXaosok, try "iceweasel -safe-mode"
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22:10.05kli0rfTheWarden: do this by command then
22:10.26babilenErVito: That happens when you start iceweasel on squeeze? Have you installed anything fancy? Does the same happen if you run "iceweasel -safe-mode" ?
22:10.36babilenAh, I see .. ToApolytoXaos mentioned that already :)
22:10.53kli0rfwiht update-rc.d x11vnc defaults 99
22:11.13ErVitoToApolytoXaos: babilen it happens also in safe mode
22:11.14babilenshellox: It is typically a good idea to simply ask your question. You might want to join #kvm though if this is kvm specific.
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22:11.40ErVitobabilen: i've anything installed, no plugins, no themes, only the official italian language pack, flash, ...
22:11.55TheWardenkli0rf: I've been trying to figure this out but no go so far.
22:11.56ErVitoi don't anything more
22:12.03babilenErVito: Which version of Icweasel is that and how did you install flash?
22:12.03ErVitoi don't think*
22:12.04ToApolytoXaosErVito, one thing that comes to mind is either you have corrupted a file, or...
22:12.06ToApolytoXaosyour RAM
22:12.35babilenThe latter would probably affect more programs than iceweasel
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22:12.42Juanito_Fulenciawith grub2 how do i remove the memory test entry using the /etc/default/grub file?
22:12.48ErVitobabilen: 3.5.16
22:13.22ErVitoToApolytoXaos: it seems to work with simple sites, without any flash video or script i think...
22:13.36ToApolytoXaosErVito, what's that version you have mentioned?
22:13.37Juanito_Fulenciaor would it be prudent to edit the /boot file every time i update the kernel?
22:13.38ErVitodebian site works xD
22:13.40babilenErVito: Ok, would you mind running "mv ~/.mozilla{,_bkp} and trying it again. You could also install a newer version than what you have now (which you probably want anyway) from http://mozilla.debian.net
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22:14.07ToApolytoXaosbabilen, wait for a second please because i want to hear this
22:14.08babilenErVito: Ah, so it doesn't die directly after it starts? How did you install flash?
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22:14.09ErVitoToApolytoXaos: iceweasel 3.5.16
22:14.37ToApolytoXaosdamn i forgot you are under squeeze
22:14.39monogletsI'd like to know the way (talking about packages) to build a full webmail server, starting from the simple mta until anti virus and spam ... someone could help me??
22:14.39abrotmandid he try IW in safe mode?
22:14.41babilenToApolytoXaos: Hear what? And yeah, don't worry ... Take your time. I am simply curious :)
22:14.45ToApolytoXaostime for you to upgrade to wheezy :P
22:14.47babilenabrotman: yes
22:15.22ErVitobabilen: times ago, i don't remember, i simply check weekly if there are updates, more or less
22:15.52ErVitoToApolytoXaos: it should be released!!! :P
22:15.58ToApolytoXaosErVito, how about installing Chromium too to check if it crashes too?
22:15.58babilenErVito: How do you check?
22:16.09ErVitobabilen: update-manager
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22:16.31pythonorbashhmanyone know the command for disabling X? I only want to start the GUI when I type startx
22:16.40babilenErVito: Ok, would you mind running "aptitude versions ~i~nflash" and pasting the output to http://paste.debian.net ?
22:16.47ToApolytoXaosErVito, is it necessary to get officially released? i have been using it since its early assembling right after squeeze. even squeeze I was using it before its official release
22:17.01wskysomeone should implement noxatstartup to dpkg
22:17.03ToApolytoXaospythonorbashhm, yes
22:17.19monogletssomeone experiencied in webmail server to say the packages commonly used and what preffer to use?
22:17.22TheWardenthanks for the help folks, I'm just gonna try for another day. I'm not sure what's wrong.
22:17.26TheWardentake care all
22:17.40ErVitobabilen: i   1:2.8.2+squeeze1                              stable                    500
22:17.55ErVitoflashplugin-nonfree
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22:18.03pythonorbashhmAny idea what it is?
22:18.05babilenmonoglets: exim4 or postfix as MTA is a good start ... use dovecot for IMAP/POP and then ... maybe roundcube as frontend (not sure about the latter)
22:18.10orudiewhat is the difference between apt-get and aptitude ?
22:18.42monogletsbabilen: thank you for ur opnion
22:18.42ToApolytoXaospythonorbashhm, usually when you remove your gdm3 or any other desktop manager would work as you want
22:18.49babilenErVito: Ok, could you run "update-flashplugin-nonfree --verbode --install" and check if that upgrades flash? Did you try running it with your ~/.mozilla moved to ~/.mozilla_bkp ?
22:18.53pythonorbashhmnahh
22:19.04pythonorbashhmsomething like  update-rc.d -gdm remove
22:19.18ToApolytoXaoswhat do you mean?
22:19.24ToApolytoXaoswhat exactly do you want to do?
22:19.41ErVitobabilen: ok, now i try to backup .mozilla
22:19.50monogletsand about u abrotman ? what did u use for webmail server, or think is a good solution?
22:20.00babilendpkg: tell pythonorbashhm -about nodm
22:20.04abrotmanmonoglets: your english is broken
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22:20.10pythonorbashhmI only want the GUI to start when I type startx
22:20.17pythonorbashhmother than that I just want the terminal
22:20.22monogletsabrotman I'm not american
22:20.28babilenErVito: yeah, simply run "mv ~/.mozilla{,_bkp}" and please also make sure that you have the latest flash version.
22:20.31ToApolytoXaospythonorbashhm, you need to read more about .xinitrc
22:20.32abrotmanthat's not an excuse for using 'u' and 'ur'
22:20.53pythonorbashhmno run level graphical managers wtf
22:20.58babilenErVito: fwiw, I would strongly recommend to install a recent version of iceweasel (icweasel-release) from http://mozilla.debian.net or use wheezy directly
22:20.59pythonorbashhmI didn't tknow that
22:21.18ErVitobabilen: it crashes
22:21.24orudieis there a similar option for apt-get such as yum provides ?
22:21.25abrotman!tell pythonorbashhm about nodm
22:21.32ErVitohowever, i can install iceweasel 10?
22:21.33babilenErVito: What did you do to cause that crash?
22:21.44abrotmanorudie: option for what?
22:21.45ErVitobabilen: i opened youtube
22:21.47monogletsabrotman, okay, and about the webmail server?
22:21.48ToApolytoXaosErVito, you will need to upgrade to wheezy
22:21.49babilenorudie: What does "yum provides" do?
22:21.51ErVitoa video
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22:22.03babilenErVito: Ok, did you check if you have the latest flash plugin?
22:22.07dawudbabilen: kinda like apt-file search
22:22.18abrotman!tell orudie about apt-file
22:22.19ErVitobabilen: the latest proposed by update-manager
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22:22.24ToApolytoXaosorudie, how about use aptitude?
22:22.51babilenErVito: I gave you the command that you have to run to update the flash plugin. It is /not/ updated via the packaging system.
22:22.52orudieToApolytoXaos, what is the difference between aptitude and apt-get ?
22:22.56monogletsabrotman, couldnt u help me 2?
22:23.04abrotman!tell orudie about why aptitude
22:23.05ErVitobabilen: ok, now i try
22:23.11abrotmanmonoglets: a few reasons
22:23.28monogletswhat u mean?
22:23.29ToApolytoXaosorudie, http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/767/what-is-the-real-difference-between-apt-get-and-aptitude-how-about-wajig
22:23.48abrotmanthat URL can't be helpful
22:24.06abrotmanand it's not
22:24.23ToApolytoXaosmonoglets, can you please use proper English? there are many non-native English speakers here, including myself that cannot decipher slang language
22:24.42babilenmonoglets: Please try to use proper spelling and grammar in here. It makes it /much/ easier to follow you and understand what you are trying to say. Not being a native speaker is no excuse whatsoever and you, as somebody who invested a lot of effort into learning a language, really should know better.
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22:25.00ToApolytoXaosbabilen, +1
22:25.04monogletsToApolytoXaos abrotman okay
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22:25.27monogletsI just wanna know what packages to use in a full webmail server
22:25.39monogletswhat which one of you like to use
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22:25.42babilenmonoglets: I told you.
22:25.43ErVitobabilen: now crashed also pastebin :(
22:26.02monogletsyes I know about you babilen
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22:26.17abrotmanmonoglets: please stop taking polls, it's annoying
22:26.17monogletsjust wanted more than 3 solutions
22:26.18ToApolytoXaosErVito, what Desktop Environment are you using, Gnome?
22:26.20ErVito!paste
22:26.20dpkgDo not paste more than 2 lines to this channel.  Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics.  Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB.  Remember to tell us the URL of your paste!  Cannot cut and paste?  Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>.
22:26.25ErVitoToApolytoXaos: xfce
22:26.32ToApolytoXaosaaaaaaah ok
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22:26.40ToApolytoXaosit would crash on my system too
22:26.43ToApolytoXaoseven with wheezy
22:26.58ToApolytoXaosthere's an issue with graphics cards drivers and would crash upon mouse events
22:27.01ErVitoO.o
22:27.05orudieso is there a similar command in debian such as "yum provides foo" in centos/rhel ?
22:27.14ErVitoToApolytoXaos: why today? XD
22:27.15ToApolytoXaosfor some reason, it would crash my entire OS unexpectedly
22:27.29ErVitoToApolytoXaos: http://paste.debian.net/240208/
22:27.31abrotmanorudie: the bot already told you
22:27.33ErVitobabilen: ^
22:27.37babilenErVito: Ok, would you mind showing me the output of "apt-cache policy iceweasel" then run "apt-get update" and show me the output of "aptitude search ~U ; aptitude search ~o" .. Please try installing a newer iceweasel version from http://mozilla.debian.net and try that after you've provided that information.
22:27.38ToApolytoXaosi had the same question a few months ago, and then realized that i upgraded my nvidia drivers
22:27.38ggherdovHi all. After a "apt-get install XXX" and a bunch of dependancies downloaded for XXX, I run out of disk space (small disk, sorry). How do I remove all downloaded packages, so that at least I get back a working system?
22:27.48babilenorudie: What does "yum provides" do?
22:27.50orudieabrotman, I tried apt-file, its different
22:27.54monogletsabrotman, sorry with my bad english, I just wanted know what kind of webmail server you recommends
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22:28.21monogletsabrotman, no problem if it's a secret
22:28.34orudiebabilen, yum provides foo searches for yum packages containing foo
22:28.39ToApolytoXaosorudie, read this http://raphaelhertzog.com/mastering-debian/
22:29.02babilenggherdov: "apt-get clean" and "apt-get autoclean" will remove certain sets of packages. (apt-get clean removes all, but read "man apt-get")
22:29.07ToApolytoXaosthere is a part of it that explains in great detail apt-get's and aptitude's features about package dependencies and such
22:29.10abrotmanorudie: how so?
22:29.16babilenorudie: So, how does that differ from apt-file?
22:29.24abrotmanorudie: and what is "foo" in this context?
22:29.28ggherdovbabilen: thanks, trying that
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22:30.00orudiecomparing the output its different
22:30.04babilenggherdov: You could also delete things manually from /var/cache/apt/archives/ if you want to (but don't delete /everything/ in there as some files are needed)
22:30.30babilenorudie: How? What are you trying to achieve and what is different about apt-file that does not allow you to achieve that goal?
22:30.59ToApolytoXaosorudie, http://nicholaskuechler.com/2011/02/10/debian-ubuntu-equivalents-of-yum-whatprovides/
22:31.11ToApolytoXaosnext time use Google more appropriately
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22:32.40jhutchins_wkggherdov: aptitude (or apt-get) clean might help.
22:32.44gp5stSorry if this isn't the place #openssl is pretty dead and I thought someone here might be knowledgeable. When an SSL/X.509 certificate is renewed, e.g. before it expires, does the fingerprint of the certificate stay the same? Does one need to use the same csr as the first time to get the same fingerprint? Will the fingerprint always change.  Is there any identifier based solely on the key itself?
22:32.51orudiecentos yum provides http://paste.debian.net/240210/
22:33.02abrotmanorudie: they are different tools, they're going to have different output ..
22:33.05ToApolytoXaosorudie, i have pasted a link
22:33.10ToApolytoXaosplease read it
22:33.10ErVitobabilen:  aptitude search -U; aptitude search -o <-- is it wrong?
22:33.16wojtasgp5st: no, you need new csr
22:33.23shelloxbabilen: https://gist.github.com/shellox/f0d56c107790a3dd2bc8 I have no idea why it doesn't work. There isn't anything bound to this port(5900).
22:33.34abrotmanlooks at wojtas
22:33.36jhutchins_wkgp5st: Iirc the certificate changes to show the new expiration, therefore the fingerprint changes.
22:33.57shelloxnormally it shouldn't be a problem to bind anything to localhost
22:34.07orudiewhere 'apt-file whois' produces 4 pages of output
22:34.13abrotmanorudie: you did it wrong
22:34.15babilenorudie: Well, apt-file search tells you what you want to know. The other information is superfluous (at least to the task of matching filenames against packages) ..
22:34.23orudieapt-file search
22:34.24abrotmanorudie: apt-file search bin/whois
22:34.36ToApolytoXaosorudie, listen
22:34.41ToApolytoXaoswhat you have to do is this
22:34.42babilenErVito: It is the tilde ~ not a minus - in "aptitude search ~U"
22:34.54ToApolytoXaosaptitude search "whois"
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22:34.58ErVitobabilen: ^^
22:35.17ToApolytoXaoswhen you find that this package is install, then run "which whois" and it will return the location of whois where's located
22:35.19ToApolytoXaosok?
22:35.36ToApolytoXaoselse, if you want something more fancy try this
22:35.48babilenorudie: You can also use something along the lines of 'apt-file search -x "bin/whois$"' (or another regular expression) -- That lists all packages with files whose /full/ path match the expression. What more do you want to know?
22:35.51ToApolytoXaosdpkg --get-selections | grep "whois"
22:35.51dpkgToApolytoXaos: wish i knew
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22:36.02ToApolytoXaos<PROTECTED>
22:36.03dpkgToApolytoXaos: KCI error, or a problem with the Keyboard-Chair Interface.
22:36.07ErVitobabilen: http://paste.debian.net/240211/
22:36.10abrotmanleave the damn bot alone
22:36.17ToApolytoXaoscommand is dpkg --get-selections | grep "whois"
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22:36.48wskywojtas: o/
22:37.11orudieand if I want to do something like 'rpm -qa | grep kernel' ?
22:37.17babilenErVito: thanks ... that looks fine
22:37.21babilenorudie: What does that do?
22:37.26jhutchins_wkorudie: dpkg -l
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22:37.31wojtaswsky: hi
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22:37.49ErVitobabilen: so? XD
22:38.04wskywojtas: /j #debian-offtopic
22:38.11babilenErVito: Try a newer browser
22:38.19wojtaswsky: ack
22:38.30babilenErVito: Sorry, I'm off now and it might take more time to debug this ... :)
22:38.30ErVitobabilen: where can i look for iceweasel 10?
22:38.43orudiethe output of rpm -qa | grep kernel http://paste.debian.net/240212/
22:38.56orudiethis basically searches for packages installed and gives you the versions
22:39.00ToApolytoXaosErVito, how many times do i have to repeat myself about iceweasel 10 and wheezy?
22:39.04babilenErVito: I told you, simply install it from http://mozilla.debian.net (you'll get 19 i guess if you use iceweasel-release, 16 from esr and 10 from esr10)
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22:39.27ToApolytoXaosbabilen, he will mix his entire system
22:39.31themillorudie: "dpkg -l linux-image\*" or aptitude search ~nlinux-image
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22:39.51babilenErVito: It might also simply make sense to upgrade to wheezy (as detailed in the release notes "/msg dpkg wheeze release notes" and "/msg dpkg squeeze->wheezy") but that shouldn't be necessary to use iceweasel ...
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22:40.10babilenToApolytoXaos: Why? http://mozilla.debian.net packages are specifically targeting stable.
22:40.47jhutchins_wkbabilen: Actually, the latest iceweasel for stable is in backports.
22:41.42babilenorudie: "dpkg -l" as already mentioned. You can also give it an (globbing) package name (as in "dpkg -l '*kernel*'" (which will not get you the kernel on Debian as packages are linux-image*) or use grep
22:41.51babilenjhutchins_wk: Oh, even better.
22:42.14babilenjhutchins_wk: The penultimate ESR release that is.
22:42.29babilenyeah, lots of options to get hold of "a newer iceweasel"
22:44.07orudiehow do I get the runlevels map ? such as chkconfig --list ?
22:44.14themilljhutchins_wk: a newer version, not the latest version.
22:46.06babilendpkg: tell orudie -about debian handbook
22:46.11babilendpkg: tell orudie -about runlevel
22:46.20babilenorudie: Maybe you want to spend some time learning Debian
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22:46.41abrotmanrefcard might be good too
22:47.23orudiebabilen, thanks for the remarks. The link that bot gave me is this http://debian-administration.org/cgi-bin/articles/212
22:47.24ErVitoToApolytoXaos: http://paste.debian.net/240214/ <-- it's ok?
22:47.59ToApolytoXaosyes but lots of things will probably going to slightly break at first
22:48.04ToApolytoXaosyou need to follow certain steps
22:48.11ErVitoah, WOW
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22:49.13ToApolytoXaosErVito, http://www.garron.me/linux/upgrade-debian-squeeze-wheeze-6.0-7.0.html
22:49.31orudieis there a command in debian that shows runlevels map such as chkconfig --list in centos ?
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22:50.14ToApolytoXaosorudie, install this package and run your command
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22:50.36ToApolytoXaosyour command should be "aptitude install chkconfig"
22:50.38ToApolytoXaosthat would do
22:51.12orudieToApolytoXaos, thanks
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22:51.22orudieso far so good )
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22:51.44ToApolytoXaosorudie, http://debian-handbook.info/browse/stable/
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22:54.43jhutchins_wkchkconfig is a bash script in Debian.
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22:55.03orudieok I tried this. 'dpkg -l | grep exim'
22:55.13orudienothing comes back, but i can see file /var/log/mail.log
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22:55.53orudiealso dpkg -l | grep postfix returns nothing
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22:56.05orudieis it sendmail ?
22:56.14FarisHi
22:56.43FarisWhen I try to remove packages like totem or apache, synaptic wants to remove gnome as well. What is wrong with it ?
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22:58.00jhutchins_wkorudie: exim's the default.
22:58.55jhutchins_wkFaris: gnome is a "meta package" that installs a bunch of stuff.  Totem I'd expect, but not apache.
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22:59.16orudieyeah, I can't find any mta isntalled but /var/log/mail.log exists
22:59.20orudieso I wonder what created it
22:59.23jhutchins_wkFaris: Sometimes all that happens is that empty metapackage is removed leaving the other packages, but sometimes it's messed up.
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22:59.35jhutchins_wkorudie: Anything in it?
22:59.43orudieno, empty
22:59.48Farisjhutchins_wk, should I assume that it won't mess up ?
22:59.53jhutchins_wkorudie: timestamp?
23:00.19jhutchins_wkFaris: I don't think so.  I'd use aptitude, which will ask you if it's solution is acceptable.  If you say N it will try something else.
23:00.44orudie-rw-r----- 1 root adm      0 Jan 18  2012 mail.log
23:00.48Farisjhutchins_wk, how do debian users normally remove totem ?
23:01.02Farisjhutchins_wk, or other gnome apps
23:01.32jhutchins_wkFaris: Well, you can do it with dpkg, which won't resolve dependencies iirc.
23:01.34orudiesorry, gotta run
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23:01.39orudiewill reconnect here in one hour
23:02.00jhutchins_wkFaris: Aptitude is good.  There's also the "unmarkauto" thing that will sometimes divorce the package from it's dependency.
23:02.30jhutchins_wkFaris: I haven't had to deal with it much in Debian.  In Mandriva it was safer to assume that just the empty package would be removed, Debian sometimes makes a mess of it.
23:02.48jhutchins_wkFaris: Still, the aptitude solution is at least safe.
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23:04.39dn4is there a file in RC1 Wheezy i386 that starts up init 1?
23:04.39Farisjhutchins_wk, so much trouble for simply removing unused apps!
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23:05.53jhutchins_wkFaris: Yeah.  I'm surprized at apache.  Every once in a while you'll get a sloppy packager and you'll get solid links to stuff that has nothing to do with the actual package.
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23:06.29jhutchins_wkThere was an ImageMagick package that tried to install all of gnome, even if you were on KDE.
23:06.39Farisjhutchins_wk, I don't even know why apache is installed by default in my desktop debian install anyway!
23:06.55jhutchins_wkFaris: Can't tell you.  Although aptitude why might.
23:07.13jhutchins_wkknows it's not on his squeeze or lenny boxes.
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23:07.36jhutchins_wk(Well, the remaining lenny boxes are actually webservers so it is...)
23:08.12Farisis under squeeze.. and is annoyed by the package manager !
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23:09.39jhutchins_wkFaris: Try aptitude.
23:09.52Farisjhutchins_wk: I am :)
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23:10.02Farisjhutchins_wk: thanks for the tip!
23:10.44jhutchins_wkYou might try to ask about this again earlier in the day, you could find someone more familiar with gnome and the apt system.
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23:14.30themilldpkg: tell Faris about remove rhythmbox
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23:14.54themillFaris: adapt that to your current situation or just decide that disk space is cheap
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23:16.16jhutchins_wkthemill: Thanks, I figured there was a way.
23:16.24WolfXNobody here installed OpenVPN Server and tested it with a client within the local network ? ?
23:16.26jhutchins_wkWonder why he got apache though?
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23:16.40jhutchins_wkWolfX: I didn't.
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23:17.10nezZarioOk, having some serious issues with file descriptor limits here
23:17.20jhutchins_wkWolfX: I just use ddwrt which manages vpn.
23:17.40WolfXwhats ddwrt ?
23:18.08jhutchins_wkWolfX: Alternate linux software for linksys wrt54g and other routers.
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23:20.16WolfXjhutchins_wk: now that you have experience with openvpn, at least tell if im trying to do something possible.
23:20.19Faristhemill: thank you.
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23:21.48WolfXjhutchins_wk: i have debianPC (VPN server) and Win7 client on the same network. I wanna install openVPN server on debian and connect internet from Win7 and pass through debian. This is for test only. Is this possible ?
23:22.25WolfXboth have local IP behind router with 192.168.0.x ip
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23:28.32portonI updated libc6 from the "security" repo. Is it worth to reboot my VPS (acting as a Web server)?
23:28.59nezZariook seriously .. this is pretty annoying .. is there any definitive guide for running a heavily accessed server?
23:29.09nezZarioi'm getting too many files open from a lot of different processes (namely, nginx)
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23:29.16nezZarionginx hard/soft limit is 131072
23:29.27nezZarioin /etc/security/limits.d/file-limits.conf , verified by su'ing
23:29.29dn4in aptitude how do I delete packages?
23:29.41ManoftheSeawolfx, you want debian to act as the gateway, and route through the vpn?
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23:31.13portonHow often to reboot a Web server? (a VPN server)
23:31.22portons/VPN/VPS/
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23:32.05Jaxiemafoozlehi all - i've got something weird going on with my desktop machine. df shows 0 free space on my main partition, i can delete a 10gig file and it still says 0 bytes free
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23:32.32Jaxiemafoozleran fsck to check disk but that didn't make any difference. there was at least 200 gig free last time i ran the machine
23:32.58WolfXManoftheSea: actually i want Debian to be OpenVPN server for people outside of network, for him to have my countryIP . But now I'm only trying to test with my local Win7 client
23:33.01Jaxiemafoozleis there a way to see if a process is filling the harddrive?
23:34.05ManoftheSeasure.  Well, you'll need routing rules, to enable ip_forwarding, to set up the openvpn endpoints, and to set the debian system as the gateway on your other computer.  Easy.
23:34.24dondelelcaroJaxiemafoozle: does something have the file that you've deleted open? what filesystem is this?
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23:34.53portonJaxiemafoozle: Maybe you should attempt to mount / readonly and then check files?
23:35.00Jaxiemafoozledondelelcaro, and no, not that i'm aware
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23:35.24dondelelcaroJaxiemafoozle: well, then you can try looking at the output of du for each of the directories in / to see where space is being used.
23:35.25Jaxiemafoozleporton, is that the same as doing a maximal mount count fsck check? because i made it do that
23:35.29WolfXManoftheSea: trying to see if i made a mistake. I'll brb.
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23:35.50portonJaxiemafoozle: It is unrelated with the number of mounts
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23:36.44Jaxiemafoozleporton, well i was unsure how to remount the root partition read only to do that
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23:36.46Jaxiemafoozlegoogles
23:37.00portonJaxiemafoozle: init 1
23:37.07Jaxiemafoozleah ok
23:37.07porton... sudo init 1
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23:37.28dn4anyone know how to remove a package in aptitude
23:37.28dn4I hit g and it doesn't do anything except try to upload stuff
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23:37.42Jaxiemafoozlethanks, is there a particular mode to use in fsck for looking for these sort of issues?
23:38.02ManoftheSeadn4, the minus key
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23:40.30dfxhello guys im on wheezy when i plug my dongle i got this http://pastie.org/6407592
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23:40.51dfxcan someone tell me hoe to get this work
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23:43.55dondelelcarodfx: presumably you should see something else after that
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23:44.20ManoftheSeadfx: do you have the ralink firmware?
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23:46.26dfxManoftheSea: after a small search on the web i found that its natively spported  btw its a dongle
23:46.54ManoftheSeawell, then I don't know
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23:48.00dfxManoftheSea: im installi the ralink fw but i tried it b4 and nethin changed
23:48.07DebianUsrfreenode should have a channel for people who can be 'hired' to do jobs. lol. i dislike web work very much
23:48.51dondelelcarodfx: it's natively supported, but I believe it still requires firmware.
23:49.59dfxdondelelcaro:  ManoftheSea still the same after installing the ralink fw
23:50.08dfxor shud i reload some modules ??
23:50.31dondelelcarodfx: and you've unplugged and replugged the device?
23:50.31ManoftheSeaI don't know that I expect it to make a difference.  Just something for you to try.  And you tried it.
23:51.21ManoftheSeawhile plugged in, what does lsusb tell you about it?  vendor id and product id?
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23:53.34FarisHow can I make the fonts I install under Debian Squeeze look as good as under Ubuntu ?
23:53.44dfx<PROTECTED>
23:54.03Farisfor example, when I installed inconsolata or monaco, they don't look good at all when used in Terminal or GVim :(
23:54.23phunyguysilly question.... I cannot for the life of me figure out how to change the stored smtp password in Evolution...
23:54.47phunyguythe recieving task prompted me for the new password, but the smtp side is just going "NOPE".
23:54.54ruckoFaris: check the 'fontconfig-config' configuration shipped with Ubuntu. Adapt what you would like to your own system.
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23:57.38abrotmanphunyguy: is it in the keychain ?
23:58.02phunyguyabrotman: I checked there, it is not.
23:58.35abrotmanwhich gnome?
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