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| 00:01.21 | abrotman | phunyguy: let me look |
| 00:01.25 | dfx | dondelelcaro: ManoftheSea some improvement now i got this http://pastie.org/6407795 |
| 00:01.37 | dfx | dondelelcaro: ManoftheSea some improvement now i got this http://pastie.org/6407795 |
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| 00:01.48 | abrotman | so you said .. |
| 00:02.08 | phunyguy | laaaaaaggg :) |
| 00:02.58 | abrotman | phunyguy: click Edit->Preferences .. find the POP3 account, click Edit, click the Receiving Email .. see the bottom of the tab, it has an optoin to forget the password |
| 00:03.09 | phunyguy | this is the recieving side on smtp |
| 00:03.11 | phunyguy | but let me check there |
| 00:03.42 | abrotman | hence i said find the POP3 account |
| 00:04.03 | abrotman | phunyguy: oh, you want to change the SMTP Auth .. sorry |
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| 00:04.40 | abrotman | but same idea |
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| 00:11.12 | ManoftheSea | dfx I have no idea. |
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| 00:13.57 | abrotman | what's uname -r ? |
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| 00:19.09 | free_mind | Hi folks! I have a question regarding '/var/cache/apt/archives/'. Is it a bad idea to remove the packages in this directory? My current / disk usage is 91%, so a little cleanup wouldn't be bad... |
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| 00:19.58 | phunyguy | abrotman: thanks, looking into some things. The only option I have on my side is "Remember Password" |
| 00:20.04 | phunyguy | unchecking that did nothing. |
| 00:20.11 | phunyguy | so I am trying some more hack-ish approaches |
| 00:20.45 | BenNZ | free_mind: no I clean that out often |
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| 00:21.46 | themill | free_mind: you want apt-get clean (or apt-get autoclean) |
| 00:21.59 | free_mind | BenNZ: but, does it have any negative consequence? I mean, it isn't kept there without reason.. :P |
| 00:22.30 | themill | free_mind: how sad will you be if you need to reinstall one of these packages later and have to download it again? |
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| 00:23.03 | free_mind | themill: not at all... I'm getting the point. :D |
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| 00:24.22 | abrotman | phunyguy: restarted Evolution after unchecking that? |
| 00:24.39 | free_mind | Thanks for answering my question BenNZ and themill! |
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| 00:24.55 | BenNZ | free_mind: no problem |
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| 00:26.26 | gynna | http://www.reddit.com/r/AdultDating18/comments/19t7e6/sexi_and_thick_snow_bunny_atlantaga_airport/ |
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| 00:43.37 | free_mind | /quit |
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| 00:49.21 | phunyguy | abrotman I am just removing the account and trying again |
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| 00:53.37 | voxluna | this is going to sound sketchy, but I've got a Debian box with ecryptfs or whatever protecting the drive, and I don't know the exact passphrase anymore. is there a john the ripper or something I could try to bruteforce the PW? |
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| 00:57.50 | phunyguy | seems legit |
| 01:01.10 | wjtaylor | Is there a way to update the smartmontools db in squeeze? |
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| 01:02.51 | abrotman | wjtaylor: is there a way to do that in any linux? |
| 01:03.06 | wjtaylor | yes, but it doesn't seem to be included in the deb distro |
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| 01:03.39 | abrotman | what is it? |
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| 01:09.19 | matlock | anyone have any ideas about this? i need flash (11.2.202?) to use pulseaudio instead of going directly to alsa |
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| 01:10.12 | matlock | my asound.conf contains all the !blabla { type pulse } junk it needs to work right (supposedly) however, it still goes directly to alsa |
| 01:10.53 | sencha | W: Failed to fetch http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/dists/wheezy/main/binary-i386/PackagesIndex: MD5Sum mismatch |
| 01:11.03 | abrotman | sencha: try another mirror |
| 01:11.10 | themill | dpkg: tell sencha about ftp.us.debian.org |
| 01:11.13 | sencha | abrotman, what's wrong with the current mirror I'm using? |
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| 01:11.31 | abrotman | sencha: seems to uhm, be broken? :) |
| 01:11.33 | sencha | abrotman, themill, ah :) thank you guys very much :) |
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| 01:14.22 | lime_ | Are there any tricks to speeding up debian running in virtualbox? It has been booting for over 20 minuets now. |
| 01:14.44 | abrotman | lime_: doing an fsck ? |
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| 01:19.24 | orudie | hmmm |
| 01:19.39 | orudie | brand new debian 6.0.3 installation |
| 01:19.49 | orudie | iptables is installed but not starting |
| 01:19.54 | orudie | what can I check ? |
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| 01:22.16 | dondelelcaro | orudie: iptables doesn't require starting |
| 01:22.18 | dvs | orudie: http://wiki.debian.org/iptables |
| 01:22.28 | dondelelcaro | orudie: if you want to load firewall rules or something similar, see ferm. |
| 01:22.36 | dondelelcaro | (or any of the dozens of other requivalents) |
| 01:22.57 | orudie | it wasn't like that in debian 5 was it ? |
| 01:23.09 | dondelelcaro | it was like that then too |
| 01:23.13 | orudie | i tried to install ufw |
| 01:23.19 | orudie | but it failed to start |
| 01:23.46 | orudie | sudo /etc/init.d/ufw start |
| 01:23.46 | orudie | Skip starting firewall: ufw (not enabled)...done. |
| 01:24.25 | dondelelcaro | orudie: there's probably a setting to enable ufw in /etc/default/ufw or similar |
| 01:24.34 | dondelelcaro | orudie: or you may actually need to configure it first. |
| 01:24.46 | themill | (there is a README.Debian for that package too) |
| 01:24.51 | dondelelcaro | orudie: the documentation in /usr/share/doc/ufw/ will almost certainly help you out. |
| 01:24.52 | dvs | like reading the README.Debian |
| 01:25.27 | orudie | reading |
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| 01:26.55 | lime_ | abrotman: How would I do `fsck` in windows? |
| 01:27.25 | daemonkeeper | He means inside the guest. |
| 01:27.38 | daemonkeeper | Not that it would help much. |
| 01:28.04 | lime_ | oh well it still hasn't booted 25 minutes 8| |
| 01:28.42 | daemonkeeper | What's your host hardware? |
| 01:28.56 | lime_ | a laptop elitebook 9460p |
| 01:29.05 | daemonkeeper | Whatever. Give me some real specs :> |
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| 01:29.17 | lime_ | I mean 8460p i5 regular hd 4gb ram |
| 01:29.30 | daemonkeeper | Oh. That one surely supports virtualization. |
| 01:29.50 | daemonkeeper | Are you sure Debian is actually booting and not hanging? |
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| 01:30.44 | lime_ | no I'm not sure, how would i check |
| 01:31.10 | daemonkeeper | What do you see? |
| 01:32.01 | lime_ | oh i get what you mean, yeah it definitely isn't hanging |
| 01:32.42 | daemonkeeper | So, what is it doing? |
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| 01:34.50 | lime_ | I quit I am going to try setting a larger RAM value |
| 01:35.14 | daemonkeeper | Did you give it 12 MB or what? |
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| 01:37.49 | matlock | when playing flash in firefox (which skips constantly) plugin-container sits at around 98% |
| 01:37.53 | matlock | is this normal? |
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| 01:40.25 | abrotman | matlock: for flash? yes |
| 01:41.02 | matlock | so it's normal for flash to work just fine in every browser for 2 years then one day crash every reload? |
| 01:41.10 | abrotman | matlock: please stick to one network |
| 01:41.49 | matlock | done |
| 01:41.58 | daemonkeeper | giggles |
| 01:42.04 | daemonkeeper | He didn't mean you should quit. |
| 01:42.22 | daemonkeeper | Just don't hop channels while asking. |
| 01:42.36 | matlock | well there's 1200 users here so i'll just stick here |
| 01:42.53 | matlock | anyway my main question over there was with alsa, here it's getting flash working i've given up on alsa |
| 01:42.58 | abrotman | ugh |
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| 01:48.20 | dn4 | I am init 1 and aptitude doesn't remove stuff when I type -; it puts and ip next to it |
| 01:48.23 | dn4 | what do I do next |
| 01:49.18 | themill | same as what you normally do with aptitude |
| 01:49.29 | dvs | press "g" then "g"? |
| 01:50.05 | dvs | goes back to dselect |
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| 01:50.16 | matlock | funny cause when i finally get flash running in chrome, it only sits at ~21% |
| 01:50.26 | dn4 | what is dselect? |
| 01:50.27 | matlock | instead of maxxing out the cpu like firefox |
| 01:50.38 | themill | dn4: you don't want dselect |
| 01:51.08 | abrotman | dn4: read the man page |
| 01:51.17 | dn4 | why not? |
| 01:51.30 | abrotman | okay, then go use it, why ask us if you won't listen |
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| 01:52.38 | dn4 | i'm on a mission to tear down this RC1 OS to the barebones |
| 01:52.47 | dn4 | dbus has been apt-get removed |
| 01:53.05 | abrotman | !pal dn4 |
| 01:53.06 | dpkg | points at dn4 and laughs uproariously |
| 01:53.08 | daemonkeeper | That's not exactly barebone, that's sane. |
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| 01:53.53 | dn4 | if it is sane; I also did apt-get remove libsane* |
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| 01:55.01 | daemonkeeper | The real question is: Why did you install stuff you don't want in the first place. Debian does not by default. |
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| 01:55.23 | dn4 | daemonkeeper: I tried the RC1 i386 Wheezy install |
| 01:55.30 | daemonkeeper | so? |
| 01:55.32 | dn4 | and well it crashed when going into init 2 |
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| 01:55.45 | dn4 | so I just migrated back to the init 1 area |
| 01:55.56 | themill | didn't we establish days ago that was due to broken hardware? |
| 01:56.14 | abrotman | themill: please stop, dn4 doesn't use logic |
| 01:57.00 | dn4 | abrotman: nope |
| 01:57.28 | Vicissitude | logic is the religion of atheists |
| 01:58.11 | dn4 | oops themill nope |
| 01:58.24 | matlock | ok so firefox is the only browser that actually plays flash at the right speed |
| 01:58.30 | matlock | but imma blow it all out |
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| 02:02.40 | samgraf_ | Out of curiosity, is mid-2000s hardware possibly to old for wheezy? Kernel panics on a 2004 Gateway 310, and curios to know if its something to be pursued or just move on. |
| 02:02.52 | daemonkeeper | No |
| 02:03.01 | samgraf_ | k |
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| 02:03.07 | themill | samgraf_: plenty of people have wheezy running on older junk than that |
| 02:03.15 | samgraf_ | k |
| 02:03.16 | daemonkeeper | Literally. |
| 02:03.20 | dn4 | samgraf_: what type of kernel panic do you get? |
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| 02:03.52 | samgraf_ | Interrupts-related, I think. |
| 02:04.15 | dn4 | how do you read what happens after the kernel panic? |
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| 02:06.58 | dn4 | time to see if dwm will work |
| 02:07.03 | dn4 | instead of using gnome or kde |
| 02:07.09 | dn4 | I wish awesome didn't require dbus |
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| 02:07.50 | themill | dn4: I think it's time to get over your dbus hatred |
| 02:08.32 | abrotman | that's so 2008 |
| 02:08.42 | themill | it's irrational, it's not going to be possible in the long run, it's not founded on any technical reasons and all it is doing is making work for you and everyone else. |
| 02:09.02 | abrotman | aren't they preparing to merge dbus into the kernel? |
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| 02:09.32 | dvs | gasps for dn4 |
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| 02:16.02 | wjtaylor | abrotman: sorry got pulled away. http://sourceforge.net/apps/trac/smartmontools/wiki/Download |
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| 02:17.48 | user1234 | Where are isos stored in the directory structure if you ftp in? |
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| 02:18.13 | phunyguy | So I have an oddball question. I have installed KDE after a complete install of Wheezy with gnome3. How can I go about removing Gnome3 now to be full on KDE? |
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| 02:18.43 | themill | user1234: they're not on the regular mirror network at all |
| 02:19.26 | user1234 | n00b here so where do I downlaod a current iso using ftp? bittorrent is blocked |
| 02:19.27 | antiroach | is it ok to ask general unix questions on here (even though im running debian)? |
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| 02:20.39 | DebianUsr | i assume so antiroach |
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| 02:21.10 | antiroach | is there a way to find out what command line arguments a currently running process was started with ? |
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| 02:21.21 | themill | dpkg: tell user1234 about install debian |
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| 02:21.50 | dvs | phunyguy: tell phunyguy about remove gnome |
| 02:22.42 | user1234 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 02:24.13 | DebianUsr | user1234 |
| 02:24.14 | DebianUsr | http://www.debian.org/CD/ |
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| 02:24.27 | matlock | ok so iceweasel actually plays flash right |
| 02:24.29 | phunyguy | dvs, it is gnome3. |
| 02:24.33 | matlock | interdesting |
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| 02:25.33 | antiroach | user1234: not sure what youre looking for but http://cosmos.cites.illinois.edu/pub/debian-cd/6.0.7/amd64/iso-dvd/ has isos in there |
| 02:25.36 | dvs | goes searching for his brain |
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| 02:26.50 | user1234 | antiroach: which one is the live cd? |
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| 02:27.26 | user1234 | in http://cosmos.cites.illinois.edu/pub/debian-cd/6.0.7/i386/ |
| 02:27.30 | antiroach | dvd1 is the live cd |
| 02:27.38 | antiroach | what cpu do you have |
| 02:27.49 | antiroach | also do you need the dvd or will a cd suffice |
| 02:28.41 | themill | no, you need the live images if you want a live image |
| 02:28.55 | antiroach | not what debian.org says |
| 02:29.00 | themill | umm... yes it is |
| 02:29.06 | themill | http://cosmos.cites.illinois.edu/pub/debian-cd/6.0.6-live/i386/ etc |
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| 02:30.33 | antiroach | a live image seems like wont let you install the os |
| 02:30.49 | antiroach | nevermind, i misread |
| 02:31.20 | phunyguy | So I ask again, how do you purge gnone THREE from debian Wheezy. |
| 02:31.25 | phunyguy | gnome* |
| 02:31.37 | themill | phunyguy: how did you install it? |
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| 02:31.55 | phunyguy | themill, via the debian installer. |
| 02:32.01 | phunyguy | you know.... when you install the OS :) |
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| 02:32.11 | phunyguy | I switched to KDE and like it. |
| 02:32.15 | matlock | ok so |
| 02:32.20 | phunyguy | but empathy and the like are getting in the way |
| 02:32.22 | matlock | iceweasel segfaults |
| 02:32.26 | matlock | when i open flash |
| 02:32.39 | matlock | Fatal IO error 11 (Resource temporarily unavailable) on X server :0.0. |
| 02:32.39 | antiroach | phunyguy: good luck removing it now, cuz of all its dependecies |
| 02:32.43 | antiroach | youre prolly sol :) |
| 02:32.54 | phunyguy | meh I can probably reinstall |
| 02:33.04 | matlock | starting to think it's compiz |
| 02:33.15 | phunyguy | just back up my sources.list for the 3.8 kernel I installe |
| 02:33.17 | phunyguy | d |
| 02:33.20 | ngc0202 | How do I use mon to schedule something to run on start up and repetitively on a delay thereafter |
| 02:33.24 | themill | phunyguy: removing the "task-desktop" package might be enough; "aptitude remove ~ngnome" may also be enough |
| 02:33.26 | phunyguy | 3.2 crashed on me constantly :) |
| 02:33.46 | ngc0202 | or mongroup, I was also recommended |
| 02:33.58 | phunyguy | WOW |
| 02:34.07 | phunyguy | so, it gave me a LONG solution list, themill |
| 02:34.13 | phunyguy | what have I got to lose? :P |
| 02:34.19 | phunyguy | selects "accept" |
| 02:34.22 | themill | phunyguy: yes, and it may well include things that you actually want. |
| 02:34.37 | phunyguy | thats OK |
| 02:34.43 | phunyguy | I can reinstall them as explicit selections |
| 02:35.00 | matlock | how can you use over 100% cpu? |
| 02:35.14 | matlock | i.e. firefox-bin is currently using 130% |
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| 02:35.25 | dvs | matlock: have more than one cpu/ |
| 02:35.35 | matlock | i got a dualcore |
| 02:35.41 | matlock | but... that still doesn't make sense |
| 02:35.59 | antiroach | does firefox support multi-core? |
| 02:36.02 | dvs | dual core... meaning two cpus. |
| 02:36.08 | antiroach | if so then it makes sense |
| 02:36.16 | phunyguy | themill: http://paste.debian.net/240233/ |
| 02:36.18 | antiroach | do a top then press 1 |
| 02:36.20 | phunyguy | thats what will be removed |
| 02:36.25 | antiroach | it will show you the usage per cpu |
| 02:36.28 | phunyguy | that look OK/ |
| 02:36.29 | phunyguy | ? |
| 02:37.30 | antiroach | phunyguy: does it complain about dependecy issues |
| 02:38.23 | phunyguy | antiroach: nope. |
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| 02:39.07 | antiroach | phunyguy: yea i dont see anything wrong with removing the packages listed. but dont take my word for it :) |
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| 02:39.52 | matlock | ok so in one profile (used for quite some time) firefox locks on youtube, chrome crashes on youtube iceweasel crashes when i change time and none play right (they all skip) |
| 02:40.11 | matlock | on my other profile (clean) iceweasel plays fine but everything else sucks |
| 02:40.13 | phunyguy | yeah it's going |
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| 02:40.28 | phunyguy | worst that happens is I have to reinstall. My /home is on a seperate partition so no biggie |
| 02:40.42 | abrotman | wjtaylor: moment |
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| 02:41.40 | abrotman | wjtaylor: which versoin of Debian are you using? |
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| 02:44.19 | abrotman | wjtaylor: squeeze? |
| 02:44.32 | abrotman | judd: file bin/update-smart-drivedb --release squeeze |
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| 02:44.36 | judd | No packages in squeeze/i386 were found with that file. |
| 02:44.41 | abrotman | judd: file bin/update-smart-drivedb --release wheezy |
| 02:44.46 | judd | Search for bin/update-smart-drivedb in wheezy/i386: smartmontools: usr/sbin/update-smart-drivedb |
| 02:44.48 | wjtaylor | abrotmat:yes |
| 02:45.02 | dvs | ??? |
| 02:45.23 | abrotman | wjtaylor: so squeeze doesn't have it, but wheezy does |
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| 02:49.15 | petuh | Setting up squid here on debian 6. I can connect with the browser but not with the irc client. Ideas ? |
| 02:49.25 | petuh | squid Proxy traversal failed. |
| 02:49.34 | petuh | this is the error in xchat irc client |
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| 02:51.11 | phunyguy | so my panels won't come back :( |
| 02:51.39 | abrotman | vague! |
| 02:51.50 | phunyguy | scroll up |
| 02:51.51 | phunyguy | brb |
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| 02:53.38 | abrotman | waits for phunyguy to explain |
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| 02:57.30 | phunyguy | abrotman, I installed KDE after a Gnome3 install, then purged gnome3. I can login via KDM, my apps resume, but the panels start and keel over. |
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| 02:57.59 | abrotman | so open a terminal, restart them ? |
| 02:58.42 | phunyguy | tried |
| 02:58.46 | phunyguy | they keel back over |
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| 02:59.09 | phunyguy | KDE sure is pretty in Debian though :) |
| 02:59.23 | abrotman | but if pretty doesn't work ... |
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| 02:59.44 | phunyguy | yeah, may be a simoke ~/.kde4 removal |
| 02:59.48 | phunyguy | simple* |
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| 03:00.52 | phunyguy | brb |
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| 03:07.23 | phunyguy | this is so borked... |
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| 03:23.41 | wjtaylor | when is wheezy due to be released? |
| 03:24.19 | phunyguy | wjtaylor: when it's ready. |
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| 03:24.27 | phunyguy | not sure there is an exact date |
| 03:24.42 | phunyguy | wjtaylor: the RC is very nice and stable |
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| 03:25.10 | wjtaylor | nice. |
| 03:27.15 | abrotman | there is no set date |
| 03:29.19 | wjtaylor | ext4 is the default fs for squeeze, correct? |
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| 03:30.16 | samgraf_ | wjtaylor: squeeze is ext3 |
| 03:30.35 | phunyguy | it supports ext4 though |
| 03:30.42 | phunyguy | you can install on ext4. |
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| 03:32.07 | wjtaylor | how do I tell whether my fs is ext3 or 4? |
| 03:33.04 | abrotman | /proc/mounts |
| 03:33.16 | wjtaylor | have you used zfsforlinux on deb? |
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| 03:46.26 | dsr | does anyone know how to find and/or dump the hex data of an inode in an ext4 FS? |
| 03:47.17 | dsr | i've been trying to locate inode data with sudo dumpe2fs /dev/sde9 | fgrep "Inode table" |
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| 03:48.14 | dsr | that gets me the list of blocks, which I try to dump with sudo dd if=/dev/sde9 ibs=4096 skip=524320 count=1 | hexdump |
| 03:49.11 | dsr | can't seem to get anything useful and/or I have no idea what i'm doing .jpeg |
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| 04:12.45 | amit^ | can anybody comment on gpu acceleration for Intel GPU's? |
| 04:13.22 | themill | probably |
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| 04:14.14 | amit^ | themill: I have installed xorg- intel driver for intel 945m gpu . There is no hw acceleration even after creating an xorg.conf file with X -configure command with xserver off. |
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| 04:17.16 | nevyn | how are you checking this? |
| 04:17.51 | amit^ | nevyn: I did edit the xorg.conf file manually and I didnt run any test for hw acceleration but graphics are very slow. |
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| 04:18.59 | nevyn | so certainly with current X there's no requirement for a xorg.conf at all.. |
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| 04:19.28 | amit^ | nevyn: Yes, seemsl like it. So, how do I enable Gpu acceleration? |
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| 04:19.46 | nevyn | so you shouldn't need to do anything. |
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| 04:20.11 | amit^ | nevyn: Graphics are too slow even though the xorg-xserver-intel is installed |
| 04:20.12 | nevyn | what do you mean by gpu acceleration? |
| 04:20.19 | nevyn | what's slow? |
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| 04:20.27 | amit^ | nevyn: The gpu is running in vesa mode and not as intel driver. |
| 04:20.28 | nevyn | and how are you measuring slow? |
| 04:20.38 | nevyn | how do you know that? |
| 04:20.44 | nevyn | oh is 945 paulso? |
| 04:20.51 | amit^ | nevyn: I checked Xorg.log file |
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| 04:24.29 | amit^ | nevyn: Do you want to look at /var/log/X.org.log file? |
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| 04:28.17 | amit^ | nevyn: You dont know anything but waste time |
| 04:29.16 | themill | amit^: you're yet to provide us with any useful information to help you |
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| 04:30.52 | amit^ | themill: Here is the /var/log/Xorg.0.log file http://pastebin.com/dfvygQ0z |
| 04:31.18 | amit^ | themill: Please take a look |
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| 04:34.11 | themill | amit^: you'll do much better with the xorg and kernel from squeeze-backports and probably better again upgrading to wheezy. /msg dpkg bdo xorg; /msg dpkg bdo kernel; /msg dpkg squeeze->wheezy |
| 04:35.04 | amit^ | is wheezy the testing version? |
| 04:35.15 | themill | yes, that will be released quite soonâ„¢ |
| 04:35.35 | amit^ | themill: Do you think wheezy would support intel gpus by default? |
| 04:35.51 | themill | it has much better support for intel GPUs than squeeze does |
| 04:36.29 | amit^ | themill: Thats great. I struggled a little to enable gpu acceleration . So far its been partial. |
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| 04:43.41 | DebianUsr | can i get some help please? everytime i install something it says openssl is not installed, but it is the newest version, i dont get it |
| 04:44.02 | phunyguy | I am in a pickle. My GTK3 apps look like poo in KDE.... any idea how to fix it? They don't follow the color or style themes. |
| 04:44.13 | littlebearz | DebianUsr: reinstall openssl via apt-get install openssl- |
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| 04:46.07 | DebianUsr | i have alot of things depending on the corrent install of openssl, i dont want to confuse any software if i apt-get install openssl again |
| 04:46.43 | DebianUsr | current |
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| 04:47.31 | somiaj | DebianUsr: how is openssl installed? what does dpkg -l | grep openssl show? |
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| 04:49.39 | DebianUsr | http://paste.scsys.co.uk/233903 somiaj |
| 04:49.48 | themill | phunyguy: try installing kde-config-gtk-style |
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| 04:50.34 | phunyguy | themill: that was half the solution, the other half was installing gtk3-engines-oxygen package |
| 04:50.41 | themill | DebianUsr: the exact error message and the command that generates it in a solution would help too |
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| 04:51.02 | DebianUsr | themill huh |
| 04:51.11 | themill | DebianUsr: err.. in a pastebin |
| 04:51.37 | DebianUsr | i inputed that command |
| 04:51.41 | DebianUsr | thats what it gave out |
| 04:52.32 | somiaj | he ment what is the command and output of the command that is complaining openssl is not installed |
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| 04:54.17 | DebianUsr | well im trying to get an ircd to configure with ssl, but i get this http://pastebin.com/8mReC9kj (end of the message error) |
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| 04:56.12 | themill | DebianUsr: if you're compiling things, you need the foo-dev packages for the libraries. (also, there are plenty of ircds already in debian) |
| 04:57.38 | DebianUsr | ok. then what do i cache search for? |
| 04:57.49 | somiaj | libopenssl-dev or something like that |
| 04:58.01 | somiaj | but why are you compiling ircd unstead of using one already in debian? |
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| 04:58.25 | DebianUsr | that is what i meant, what do i search for ircds in debian |
| 04:58.59 | somiaj | have you tried apt-cache search ircd to start with? |
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| 04:59.35 | DebianUsr | thanks |
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| 05:02.05 | DebianUsr | ps: if you dont know, just say you didnt know, dont give me some sarcastic remarks about not looking in the preexisting cache |
| 05:02.44 | DebianUsr | :[ |
| 05:03.25 | themill | DebianUsr: you did ask "what do I search for" not "how do I search" |
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| 05:04.02 | DebianUsr | that doesnt even make sense themill, so stop trolling |
| 05:04.07 | amit^ | how to get apes to avoid humans? |
| 05:04.48 | themill | DebianUsr: I'm not -- you asked what search terms to use not how to actually search. If you'd asked how to search, either of us would have happily pointed you in the right direction. |
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| 05:05.39 | DebianUsr | are you serious themill? lol |
| 05:05.44 | themill | yes |
| 05:06.40 | DebianUsr | .. |
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| 05:07.38 | DebianUsr | i think i was just speaking to a child |
| 05:07.41 | DebianUsr | i dont know |
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| 05:10.13 | DebianUsr | but it was libssl0.9.8 and libssl-dev. thinking cap came on suddenly. |
| 05:10.30 | somiaj | how was I being sarcastic, I was just answering your questions. |
| 05:10.39 | DebianUsr | not you somiaj. |
| 05:10.49 | themill | libssl-dev would be sufficient for this |
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| 06:38.13 | astor | is there a way to get all transitive dependencies for a package, for scripting purposes? |
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| 06:38.56 | themill | are you trying to reimplement apt? |
| 06:39.41 | astor | themill: I am figuring out which packages to pass to debootstrap |
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| 06:42.10 | themill | astor: doesn't debootstrap do that for you already? |
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| 06:44.36 | astor | themill: Oh, seems like it does. |
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| 06:56.15 | astran | hello I hove some troubles with my wheezy freezing all the time. So I decided to reinstall but I cant make bootable usb with dd or unetbootin. I guess because of my uefi and gpt partition |
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| 07:05.57 | amit^ | astran: I didn't try wheezy but squeeze is stable. |
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| 07:10.24 | Tori_V | hi all, I am looking for a great free of charge training on debian squeeze 6.0.6 from all ends: server (file services, directry services, dns/dhcp, terminal sevices, web/mail services (AMPP+mail)) and for the client side: everyday tasks (using the desktop, cinnabd-line, everyday applications, connecting to a "domain (directory server(s)), etc). does anyone know of where to find a trainning that is not only free books but also video a |
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| 07:12.28 | Tori_V | the reason i am ssking is that it helps me to not just read a section in the manual or just to see and hear about it, but also to pratcice an a "sandbox" |
| 07:13.05 | Tori_V | any great ideas? |
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| 07:14.20 | Tori_V | looks like a "no" |
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| 07:14.39 | Tori_V | pabu hi |
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| 07:34.03 | ChrisH | seems a bit in a hurry that guy. I am even looking for a training on CC license to organize some Linux in general traings/workshops at non-profit organisations. |
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| 07:43.47 | paulbanks | what kernel version will wheezy have ? |
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| 07:50.19 | Sm0ke0ut | paulbanks: 3.2.0-4 |
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| 07:51.56 | johndoe | my graphics environment doesnt work after a dist-upgrade squeeze->wheezy |
| 07:52.05 | johndoe | what do i need to do to fix it? |
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| 07:53.35 | mumpitze1 | check your Xorg.0.log |
| 07:53.51 | mumpitze1 | what videocard do you have and which drivers did you use exactly? |
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| 08:12.31 | drocsid | do i need named running on my debian machine to resolv dns addresses? |
| 08:12.47 | drocsid | do i need named running on my debian machine to resolve dnames? |
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| 08:13.14 | drocsid | trying to trim my system |
| 08:13.15 | ChrisH | drocsid: no |
| 08:13.28 | drocsid | ChrisH: thanks, i think I will stop it then |
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| 08:14.10 | ChrisH | drocsid: make sure /etc/resolv.conf and /etc/nsswitch.conf match your needs. named can be stopped then. |
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| 08:15.11 | nell | are there modern day uses for proxies? |
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| 08:18.07 | drocsid | ChrisH: does running named help me resolve dn adresses locally? If it's running is it queried berfore resolv.conf server? |
| 08:18.37 | mumpitze1 | only if you have entered your local addresses in a file with an editor. I doubt you did |
| 08:18.49 | mumpitze1 | even then named is a bit overpowered for this usage |
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| 08:18.52 | drocsid | nell: i thought proxy was used to obscure your traffic or possibly to tunnel traffic |
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| 08:32.45 | peterrooney | I once had an ISP that refused to cache DNS results. That's when I learned about running BIND locally. |
| 08:33.59 | mumpitze1 | even then bind is not a good idea nowadays when you have lots of dns caching proxies available |
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| 08:34.21 | peterrooney | 'lots' ? |
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| 08:36.55 | mumpitze1 | dnsmasq, dnsproxy, pdnsd,... |
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| 08:45.46 | jelly-home | peterrooney: almost every dns author has an authoritative and a recursor product. ISC has both in BIND; PowerDNS has pdns_recursor; MaraDNS has Deadwood; DJB has dnscache; NLNet Labs have Unbound |
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| 08:48.44 | peterrooney | I didn't need a dns proxy as such, I needed a dns that didn't take 300-1800 ms to resolve. |
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| 08:49.19 | peterrooney | gah, that was a decade ago. I am grateful I don't have to deal with those goofs any more. |
| 08:49.25 | ChrisH | drocsid: yes, normally it caches requests |
| 08:49.29 | jelly-home | you'd pick a recursor/cache and roll with it |
| 08:49.54 | ChrisH | nell: sure, you can filter, speed up loading pages frequetly used. |
| 08:50.10 | johndoe | argh why does graphics blow up every (almost) time i update my system |
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| 08:59.10 | ChrisH | mumpitze1: can these "dns caching proxies" handle own DNS zones? |
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| 09:02.25 | takis_GR | who can help me with a Squeeze Gosa schema check error?? |
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| 09:03.50 | MO_Handes | what is a good text browser for using with debian not graphical interface? |
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| 09:04.57 | gertjan | i've got good experience with links (or lynx) |
| 09:05.02 | mumpitze1 | ChrisH: no zones, but there is always /etc/hosts |
| 09:05.24 | mumpitze1 | and they can then hand out that central hosts data to all their clients |
| 09:06.21 | brontosaurusrex | MO_Handes, w3m perhaps |
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| 09:06.54 | ChrisH | mumpitze1: OK. then it is no replacment for my usage. thanks for clearification. |
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| 09:09.19 | MO_Handes | I'm trying to install squeeze with the netinst image, in the base system install section, I get this debootstrap error return value as 1 |
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| 09:09.33 | MO_Handes | what is the problem? |
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| 09:11.22 | ChrisH | MO_Handes: something went wrong. You need to show more details. ALT-F4 should show you more. |
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| 09:11.29 | MO_Handes | the error is: unable to install kernel into target system kernel package: linux-image-2.6-amd64 |
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| 09:11.57 | MO_Handes | the debootstrap error disappeared |
| 09:12.04 | MO_Handes | know I get this kernel installation error |
| 09:12.06 | MO_Handes | *now |
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| 09:12.31 | MO_Handes | alt-f4 does not work. should it work in the graphical installation?! |
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| 09:13.05 | ChrisH | MO_Handes: uah. graphical installer... try STRG-ALT-F4 |
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| 09:13.30 | MO_Handes | ctrl-alt f4 worked |
| 09:13.41 | MO_Handes | I think I'm gonna type all the log in here be patient... |
| 09:13.52 | ChrisH | MO_Handes: STOP |
| 09:13.56 | MO_Handes | whu?! |
| 09:13.58 | MO_Handes | why?! |
| 09:14.10 | ChrisH | do not paste here! use paste.debian.net |
| 09:14.14 | MO_Handes | ok |
| 09:14.19 | MO_Handes | in a minute |
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| 09:16.10 | MO_Handes | http://paste.debian.net/240253/ |
| 09:16.20 | takis_GR | phpldapadmin give me some warnings like |
| 09:16.21 | takis_GR | Automatically removed objectClass from template |
| 09:16.23 | takis_GR | Courier Mail: Alias: courierMailAlias removed from template as it is not defined in the schema |
| 09:16.31 | MO_Handes | here you are ChrisH |
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| 09:16.37 | takis_GR | how can fix them?? |
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| 09:19.09 | ChrisH | MO_Handes: 1. is that all? 2. did you copy-and-paste it? |
| 09:19.17 | MO_Handes | note: I'm not connected to internet, it seems that it can't recognize and configure my network card |
| 09:19.42 | MO_Handes | no, I typed it, it's on another machine, how can I copy-paste it? |
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| 09:20.31 | ChrisH | MO_Handes: IIRC the network card gets configured before the base installer starts. So you should have seen an error earlier. |
| 09:20.47 | MO_Handes | there was an error before that: dpkg: error processing man-db |
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| 09:21.01 | MO_Handes | do I need a network card to install the base system? |
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| 09:24.47 | ChrisH | MO_Handes: IIRC it is not needed, but makes things easier. Are you LAN or WLAN connected? |
| 09:25.26 | MO_Handes | LAN |
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| 09:26.02 | johndoe | MO_Handes: w3m |
| 09:26.26 | MO_Handes | how to install w3m without having network? |
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| 09:27.09 | MO_Handes | there might be the problem with my LAN firewall, I have to login via a webpage to use my connection, if I can runa browser in text mode now, the problem might be solved |
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| 09:28.37 | ChrisH | MO_Handes: So you do not have a config issue with the LAN Card, but with the Firewall. IIRC debian installer asks you for a proxy and asks for user/password |
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| 09:29.05 | ChrisH | MO_Handes: Anyhow your setup sounds like you better install from a LIVE CD |
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| 09:29.33 | proby | hi , do ati 13.1 graphics drive work on wheezy ? |
| 09:29.36 | MO_Handes | the w3m package is located in /pool/main |
| 09:29.45 | MO_Handes | but how can I install it? johndoe ChrisH |
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| 09:33.57 | ChrisH | MO_Handes: man dpkg dpkg -i -r are option I assume you need |
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| 09:34.45 | mumpitze1 | proby: probably. but not supported: it will break your debian package system |
| 09:35.11 | MO_Handes | dpkg does not work |
| 09:35.11 | dpkg | "Doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message?". Ask me about <smart questions>, <sicco> and <errors>. |
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| 09:35.28 | MO_Handes | dpkg is not installed and configured, itself |
| 09:35.28 | dpkg | MO_Handes: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about |
| 09:35.39 | MO_Handes | this bot is annoying |
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| 09:37.50 | takis_GR | please help. I install ldap and have these warnings http://paste.debian.net/240256/ |
| 09:38.25 | ChrisH | MO_Handes: as said before, given the LAN issues I recommend you try installing via a live cd http://live.debian.net/ |
| 09:38.39 | Gargantua | I have a LAN set up through nm-applet to a W7 machine, my debian machine is bridging its internet connection to the W7 machine, any idea on how to disable this? |
| 09:39.51 | ChrisH | Gargantua: disable IP forward; power off the W7 box; unplug W7 power cord; ... |
| 09:40.19 | Gargantua | how do I disable IP forwarding? |
| 09:40.27 | Gargantua | Is there an easy way to set this up with ifconfig? |
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| 09:42.22 | gertjan | Gargantua echo 0 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward |
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| 09:44.18 | Iridos | MO_Handes, actually seems it's very useful... already told you your question is too vague :) you ignored it, so it seems I have to ask basic questions like "what's the error message?". |
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| 09:45.25 | proby | am having an ati hd 4300 , the 13.1 pro driver works fine :p |
| 09:45.28 | Gargantua | gertjan: handy, thanks |
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| 09:49.25 | MO_Handes | Iridos, I pasted the error msg before |
| 09:49.30 | MO_Handes | http://paste.debian.net/240253/ |
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| 09:50.12 | Iridos | ah, sorry, only dropped in just now |
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| 09:51.12 | Iridos | huh, that's while running from the install CD? |
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| 09:51.39 | Iridos | looks at backlog |
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| 09:52.52 | mumpitze1 | proby: of course it does. it will all break down when you upgrade your kernel or X next time. have fun |
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| 09:54.29 | Iridos | hm, I see |
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| 09:58.43 | Iridos | MO_Handes, the error(s) shown in the pastebin doesn't tell much more than that something went wrong. |
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| 09:59.04 | Iridos | do you get the same error when you repeat the install? |
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| 10:07.08 | FilipeMaia | Hi. I'm getting a no buffer space available when trying to do a telnet |
| 10:07.13 | FilipeMaia | Does anyone know the cause of this? |
| 10:07.28 | FilipeMaia | I was doing lots of connections using python before, so I'm not sure if it's related |
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| 10:07.46 | ChrisH | FilipeMaia: most times, no memory left. |
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| 10:08.03 | FilipeMaia | you mean RAM? |
| 10:08.07 | FilipeMaia | I have 500MB available |
| 10:08.22 | FilipeMaia | and 11GB of swap |
| 10:08.32 | Zharf | o.O |
| 10:08.43 | FilipeMaia | And I think this only happens on the interface where I opened many connections from |
| 10:08.56 | ChrisH | FilipeMaia: yes. RAM. can you strace -o /tmp/strace.telnet -f telnet host and see if it happens again? |
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| 10:09.17 | ChrisH | FilipeMaia: could be filedescriptors, too. but lets check the strace |
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| 10:10.20 | FilipeMaia | Now I'm getting a no route to host which makes even less sense |
| 10:11.28 | FilipeMaia | connect(3, {sa_family=AF_INET, sin_port=htons(623), sin_addr=inet_addr("10.20.23.145")}, 16) = -1 EHOSTUNREACH (No route to host) |
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| 10:12.02 | ChrisH | FilipeMaia: ip route get 10.20.23.145 does confirm this? |
| 10:12.21 | FilipeMaia | 10.20.23.145 dev eth0.4 src 10.20.1.1 |
| 10:12.28 | FilipeMaia | cache mtu 1500 advmss 1460 hoplimit 64 |
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| 10:12.47 | FilipeMaia | I can get to : 10.20.23.205 |
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| 10:13.20 | FilipeMaia | Is there a way to check available file descriptors |
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| 10:13.41 | FilipeMaia | that could well be a problem as I was opening connections and not closing them although I guessed they would be closed when the process ended |
| 10:13.42 | proby | hi , my keyboard shortcuts are not working in wheeze ( volume up , volume down , screenshot ...... ) |
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| 10:15.20 | FilipeMaia | I'm getting the followign interesting message on dmesg |
| 10:15.25 | FilipeMaia | Neighbour table overflow. |
| 10:15.59 | FilipeMaia | I think it's the arp table |
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| 10:17.34 | ChrisH | FilipeMaia: from a quick google lookup your assumption seems correct. Time to reboot? |
| 10:18.03 | FilipeMaia | I wonder if I can do it without a reboot |
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| 10:18.36 | Gertm | When I run debian testing, will the repos adjust automaticly from wheezy to the next version after the release of wheezy? |
| 10:19.02 | FilipeMaia | Looks like it is possible to update the table size without a reboot |
| 10:19.11 | ChrisH | Gertm: depends on what you wrote into /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 10:19.29 | babilen | Gertm: If you have "testing" in your sources.list you will stay on testing and if you have "wheezy" in there you'll stay on wheezy. |
| 10:19.38 | Gertm | babilen: ChrisH: thanks! |
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| 10:20.14 | takis_GR | please help. I install ldap and have these warnings http://paste.debian.net/240256/ |
| 10:20.33 | jpinx | I'm running squeeze in a vm and have managed to create extra space. I can run gparted and it sees the unused space. I need to move /home from a small partition into / . How to do that when they are mounted already? |
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| 10:24.01 | babilen | jpinx: Unmount /home, copy data, done. |
| 10:24.26 | babilen | jpinx: err, Unmount /home, mount it somewhere else, copy data to new /home, done. that is |
| 10:24.41 | jpinx | babilen: tried that in gparted and it failed to unmount -- need to try manually |
| 10:25.26 | jpinx | babilen: ideally I'd like home to be part of / -- nota separate partition |
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| 10:26.46 | calvin_ | probably because /home is in use while you're logged in as a regular user |
| 10:26.52 | proby | hi , my keyboard shortcuts are not working in wheeze ( volume up , volume down , screenshot ...... ) |
| 10:26.54 | babilen | jpinx: Yeah, I get that. But you can hardly copy /home from /home to, well, /home -- You need some way to differentiate. I would unmount the original /home and mount it somewhere else. Then copy the data and you are done. |
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| 10:27.04 | calvin_ | log out, open up a console and login as root |
| 10:27.10 | babilen | jpinx: You don't need /home |
| 10:27.32 | jpinx | hang on - let me try this manually |
| 10:27.39 | babilen | sur |
| 10:27.40 | babilen | e |
| 10:27.51 | jpinx | calvin_: I'm logged in as root anyway ;) |
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| 10:27.58 | calvin_ | :P |
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| 10:38.51 | dgriffi | what is the mechanism that causes denyhosts to constantly re-add an address even though I've purged /var/lib/denyhosts? |
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| 10:40.15 | proby | how to make keybindings work again in wheezy ? |
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| 10:41.44 | dgriffi | proby: huh? |
| 10:42.06 | calvin_ | have you tried this? http://denyhosts.sourceforge.net/faq.html#3_19 |
| 10:42.13 | proby | my volume keybindings , the printscreen key all of them are not working |
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| 10:45.08 | dgriffi | calvinx: stuff like this always seems to happen in the wee hours |
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| 10:47.07 | calvin_ | surprised it's kinda chatty |
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| 10:47.27 | calvin_ | (unless you mean the actual denyhosts mechanism) |
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| 10:47.45 | proby | I can't change icon or gtk 3 theme using the tweaking tool in wheezy !!! |
| 10:48.16 | dgriffi | calvin_: every time this happens, I forget that I should purge /var/log/auth.log of the offending IP address |
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| 10:49.13 | calvin_ | not too familiar with denyhosts |
| 10:49.25 | calvin_ | interesting |
| 10:49.35 | calvin_ | it seems like purging the log files isn't the way to go... |
| 10:49.52 | bw_ | you might wanna check fail2ban imho its better than denyhosts |
| 10:50.00 | calvin_ | perhaps add it to the allowed-hosts? |
| 10:50.13 | dgriffi | calvin_: the vital clue is that when denyhosts starts up, it mentions going through /var/log/auth.log |
| 10:50.29 | calvin_ | i like fail2ban, too, but this synchronization feature is interesting |
| 10:50.35 | calvin_ | dgriffi: ah |
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| 10:51.45 | dgriffi | I'll revisit fail2ban later when I'm more rested |
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| 10:54.01 | calvin_ | the best sysadmining is done with very little sleep and lots of caffeine |
| 10:54.34 | Iridos | I thought that's when the best cock-ups are done that need a lot of good sysadmining to fix |
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| 11:00.26 | jpinx | in squeeze using busybox only, how to stop busybox and drop me into a login prompt ? |
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| 11:03.33 | Gargantua | gertjan: is there a perminent alternative to echo 0 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward |
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| 11:06.01 | e1z0 | Gargantua: sysctl.conf |
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| 11:09.50 | hyppias | to install a basic KDE, which package name do I use in apt-get? |
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| 11:10.17 | mumpitze1 | !tell hyppias about install kde |
| 11:12.21 | hyppias | thnx mumpitzel |
| 11:14.45 | scx | what program should i use to create partition on flash card (sd card - SDSC 4 GB)? |
| 11:15.00 | scx | fdisk? sfdisk? gparted? |
| 11:17.07 | e1z0 | cfdisk ? |
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| 11:17.32 | e1z0 | the easy way partitioning |
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| 11:17.57 | jelly | scx: those typically some with a precreated single vfat partition and filesystem. |
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| 11:22.25 | proby | people i need help , i can't change the theme even with dconf or tweak tool , when i change it , nothing happens ! |
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| 11:25.29 | boudiccas | how can i find out what little programmes are in 'debian-goodies' please? |
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| 11:26.11 | babilen | boudiccas: Read the package description? |
| 11:26.16 | calvin_ | apt-cache show debian-goodies |
| 11:26.29 | boudiccas | proby: theme of what? |
| 11:27.51 | proby | the gtk 3 theme boudiccas |
| 11:28.10 | proby | and the icons theme |
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| 11:29.22 | koollman | calvin_: I think it's interesting to compare the description with the output of apt-file list debian-goodies | grep bin/ ... shows what was not documented :) |
| 11:29.31 | boudiccas | babilen: calvin; ah, right, i've been 'apt-cache search debian-goodies' which just gives a very short one-line description. have to think of another alias now for 'apt-cache show' :) |
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| 11:30.21 | koollman | (and in this case the mystery tool is dhomepage. Which shows a packages homepage iirc) |
| 11:31.19 | calvin_ | oh, neat |
| 11:31.59 | scx | jelly: i need to create bootable sd card with 2 partitions: FAT32 and EXT2 (it is required by Debian based system for WM8505 which i want to use) |
| 11:32.08 | calvin_ | boudiccas: or use aptitude when you cant remember |
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| 11:32.38 | boudiccas | calvin_: nah, this lady is strictly apt-get enabled :) |
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| 11:32.51 | scx | i heard that some of the partition tools cause problems with flash card |
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| 11:40.56 | marcin | Hi, I have a problem with dkim-filter and gmail. All the time gmail returns dkim=neutral (bad format) but http://dkimcore.org/c/keycheck returns everything ok. Does any have a similiar problem? |
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| 11:41.43 | lkthomas | hey guys |
| 11:41.49 | lkthomas | how could I know if the file is hardlinked ? |
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| 11:45.48 | dawud | lkthomas: ls -i |
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| 11:47.48 | lkthomas | ls -i show some file with number, what is that mean |
| 11:48.08 | Gargantua | when networkmanager configures a certain interface, can I see what commands its using to do it? |
| 11:48.23 | Gargantua | or rather what modifications to /etc/network/interfaces its doing |
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| 11:53.21 | mumpitze1 | it doesn't do anything to /etc/network/interfaces, any interface configured there is not touched by nm at all. ever. |
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| 11:54.15 | babilen | Gargantua: What are you trying to do? |
| 11:57.29 | Gargantua | babilen: networkmanager is managing my eth connection |
| 11:57.41 | Gargantua | I can't stop it from ip forwarding to my other machine :/ |
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| 11:58.36 | ChrisH | Gargantua: grep forward /etc/sysctl.conf |
| 11:59.18 | Gargantua | its commented off |
| 11:59.28 | Gargantua | which is what's confusing me |
| 11:59.38 | Gargantua | I'm guessing networkmanager deals with it some other way |
| 12:00.43 | Sevet_ | Gargantua: also check /etc/sysctl.d/* |
| 12:01.03 | Sevet_ | but there could be a number of other things managing it too |
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| 12:02.01 | Gargantua | nothing |
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| 12:02.27 | Sevet_ | (eg shorewall) |
| 12:02.47 | Gargantua | i don't have that |
| 12:02.54 | Gargantua | i'm pretty confident its networkmanager |
| 12:03.24 | Gargantua | the cool thing is that I cant configure it via nm-applet because I'm not using gnome/xfce4 |
| 12:04.35 | colo-work | we'll be using Squeeze on a dedicated "firewall" box, implementing packet filtering and routing. I'd like to stay sane while maintaining and extending the netfilter rules over the years - can you recommend me a tool to help me with that? |
| 12:04.39 | Coweater | use a standalone tray app |
| 12:05.04 | babilen | Gargantua: What are /you/ using? Are you not running X? Why do you want to use network-manager if you don't? (if that is the case) |
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| 12:05.45 | Gargantua | i'm using openbox, and i'm using nm-applet/networkmanager for my LAN because I don't know how to configure it with ifconfig tbh. |
| 12:07.13 | Sevet_ | 'man interfaces' |
| 12:07.32 | babilen | Gargantua: Well, you can configure your network in /etc/network/interfaces -- You should also be able to use nm-applet in openbox (I use it just fine in awesome) /if/ you have a system tray. Just run "nm-applet" and you are fine. I assume that you initialise consolekit, dbus and polkit-authentication-agent-1 (if you want to manage system connections) |
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| 12:08.06 | Gargantua | i've done all that and it still says insufficient privilidges when I try to edit stuff |
| 12:08.07 | babilen | Gargantua: Also read http://wiki.debian.org/NetworkConfiguration |
| 12:08.14 | Gargantua | i think its about time I master ifconfig anyway |
| 12:08.46 | babilen | Well, learn ip(1) if anything. But I would simply configure it in /etc/network/interfaces and be done with it. |
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| 12:09.16 | Gargantua | oh, this is simple |
| 12:09.21 | Gargantua | yeah I already do that for wlan |
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| 12:09.35 | babilen | Gargantua: That being said: You /should/ be able to use nm-applet. We would have to investigate why you cannot edit ... but I will not invest the time if you are not going to use it anyway. |
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| 12:10.21 | matlock | i said bye bye to nm-applet cause it didn't work right for me, then i found out it was actually my encryption that was causing issues |
| 12:10.25 | babilen | Gargantua: It really depends on your needs (e.g. if you change between networks a lot and require dynamic configuration) -- A properly started session /should/ allow you to configure connections via nm-applet. |
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| 12:10.41 | matlock | i started using wicd |
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| 12:11.17 | babilen | Gargantua: Some display managers get the dbus/consolekit/policykit invocation wrong, other users forget to start /usr/lib/policykit-1-gnome/polkit-gnome-authentication-agent-1 while others are not a member of the netdev group ... I could go on, but won't. |
| 12:11.37 | Gargantua | that reminds me... |
| 12:11.49 | Gargantua | what the hell keeps starting wicd-client? |
| 12:11.58 | Gargantua | I don't have it in autostart.sh or anything |
| 12:12.05 | babilen | matlock: I gave up on wicd as it wasn't very well maintained (the developers even gave up on it for a while before some people took over) and find it severely lacking in features as compared to NM. |
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| 12:12.23 | babilen | Gargantua: You have wicd and network manager installed? |
| 12:12.28 | Gargantua | yeah |
| 12:12.31 | babilen | Gargantua: why? |
| 12:12.33 | matlock | dunno, for some reason using nm-applet i can't connect to my android-tether |
| 12:12.36 | matlock | but using wicd i can |
| 12:13.08 | matlock | the encryption issues i was having was with my home network, it appears that debian didn't like tkip |
| 12:13.11 | Gargantua | I disabled both via rcconf anyway, babilen |
| 12:13.14 | matlock | i had to start using aes |
| 12:13.27 | matlock | but tis no matter, as long as I dont' have to go back to WEP it's all good |
| 12:13.46 | babilen | Gargantua: Well, I would strongly recommend to remove wicd. (or network-manager, or both) |
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| 12:14.03 | Gargantua | good suggestion |
| 12:14.08 | Gargantua | root@eris:/home/gargantua# ifup eth0 |
| 12:14.08 | Gargantua | RTNETLINK answers: File exists |
| 12:14.11 | Gargantua | what does this mean? |
| 12:14.17 | matlock | also isn't wicd a service? |
| 12:14.21 | babilen | It is |
| 12:14.29 | matlock | and that would be why it autostarts? |
| 12:15.01 | Gargantua | But it's not autostarting. |
| 12:15.04 | Gargantua | Only wicd-client is. |
| 12:15.09 | Gargantua | I disabled it via rcconf |
| 12:15.10 | matlock | aah |
| 12:15.23 | matlock | did you check system>preferences>startup applications? |
| 12:15.54 | matlock | or yea, just apt-get remove --purge it |
| 12:15.59 | Gargantua | I'd have to log in to xfce4 to see |
| 12:16.11 | babilen | I'll take a break until you guys figure out what to work on. Also debugging wicd problems if one never intends to use it is, well, a bit pointless. But pray, continue ... |
| 12:16.23 | Gargantua | I already removed it |
| 12:16.30 | matlock | but it's still starting? |
| 12:16.39 | Gargantua | lol I would hope not |
| 12:16.41 | babilen | Well, I don't think that wicd-client is a problem then .. |
| 12:16.42 | Gargantua | focussing on eth now |
| 12:16.57 | babilen | fsvo "focus" |
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| 12:17.15 | matlock | i just wish i could get flash sorted out |
| 12:17.23 | matlock | it works on a brand new profile with iceweasel |
| 12:17.28 | matlock | but every other browser it fails |
| 12:17.37 | babilen | matlock: How did you install the flash plugin? |
| 12:17.40 | matlock | firefox (real) chrome chromium |
| 12:17.55 | matlock | and on my normal profile it doesn't work at all |
| 12:18.05 | matlock | babilen, yea, i'm using the latest supported for nix |
| 12:18.12 | babilen | matlock: How did you install the flash plugin? |
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| 12:18.30 | matlock | by extracting the .so to ~/.mozilla/firefox/plugins |
| 12:18.34 | babilen | heh |
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| 12:18.46 | matlock | then i tried linking the one from /usr/ |
| 12:18.57 | matlock | the one from the repos |
| 12:19.02 | matlock | but funny thing |
| 12:19.08 | babilen | matlock: Well, why do you expect other browsers to work with that? Why don't you install it in a supported (by Debian) way? |
| 12:19.09 | matlock | it worked beautifully until last week |
| 12:19.19 | matlock | babilen, i did |
| 12:19.24 | matlock | but it didn't work |
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| 12:19.49 | matlock | flashplugin-nonfree is already the newest version. |
| 12:19.50 | matlock | flashplugin-nonfree set to manually installed. |
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| 12:19.56 | babilen | matlock: Simply install flashplugin-nonfree from contrib and regularly run "update-flashplugin-nonfree --verbose --install" -- In particular do not fiddle with the .so or links or whatev |
| 12:20.11 | matlock | interdesting |
| 12:20.16 | matlock | because it's the same exact so |
| 12:20.20 | matlock | just in a different place |
| 12:20.28 | matlock | and that wouldn't affect chrome at all |
| 12:20.37 | matlock | cause chrome uses the pepflash |
| 12:20.40 | babilen | matlock: You said that you installed it manually. So you now have /two/ installations and it doesn't work with the manual one (i.e. your profile into which you copied the .so, but with a new profile?) |
| 12:21.11 | matlock | no maybe you don't understand what I said above |
| 12:21.27 | matlock | in ICEWEASEL in a new profile it works |
| 12:21.30 | babilen | matlock: I have no idea about Chrome - IIRC it ships with its own flash plugin and is completely independent of the system's installation of whatever adobe plugin might be availbale. |
| 12:21.33 | matlock | but in firefox in the new profile it works |
| 12:21.41 | matlock | er doesn't work |
| 12:21.46 | babilen | So, in short: In a new profile it works. |
| 12:21.53 | matlock | for iceweasel only |
| 12:21.57 | matlock | chrome? nope |
| 12:22.05 | babilen | So in short: Everything that is installed from Debian works as expected? |
| 12:22.07 | matlock | firefox? (which is using the one from the repos) nope |
| 12:22.11 | matlock | no |
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| 12:22.41 | matlock | oh, and actually my normal profile is now attempting to use the one from /usr |
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| 12:22.49 | matlock | the one from the repos, but it's still got the same issue |
| 12:22.55 | matlock | because it's the same friggen version |
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| 12:23.28 | matlock | the issue? audio skips, videos play at 2x speed and random (not really random when it crashes every time a video is displayed) crashing |
| 12:24.15 | matlock | I was in here last night trying to figure out a way to have alsa redirect flash to pulse.. but that turned out to be a sham |
| 12:24.31 | babilen | And that is your profile, but not a new profile? Does the issue persist if you "mv ~/.mozilla{,_bkp}" ? |
| 12:24.33 | matlock | cause using pulse for other apps instead of alsa seemed to cure my issues with MPD |
| 12:24.57 | matlock | babilen, i would assume so, because essentially that's what I did last night when i created a new profile |
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| 12:25.03 | matlock | er wait |
| 12:25.08 | matlock | no, i meant assume not |
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| 12:25.30 | babilen | matlock: Would you mind trying it? Please also try it with "iceweasel -safe-mode" |
| 12:25.31 | matlock | because as i said, in the brand new profile (clean) firefox (not iceweasel) is using the one from the repos |
| 12:25.47 | babilen | I don't care about firefox and we are focussing on iceweasel now. |
| 12:25.52 | matlock | no |
| 12:25.56 | babilen | yes |
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| 12:26.00 | matlock | because i don't really use iceweasel |
| 12:26.03 | matlock | you can focus on it |
| 12:26.14 | babilen | Then ask in a channel that supports Firefox, #debian does not. |
| 12:26.17 | matlock | but that's not what I use for my everyday browser |
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| 12:26.21 | babilen | Why? |
| 12:26.29 | matlock | because it's old and outdated |
| 12:26.53 | babilen | Iceweasel /is/ Firefox + proper Debian integration. You can get new versions from http://mozilla.debian.net or backports easily. |
| 12:27.03 | babilen | matlock: Which version of Debian do you use? |
| 12:27.19 | matlock | babilen, squeeze |
| 12:27.23 | matlock | har har i know |
| 12:27.25 | matlock | old and outdated |
| 12:27.26 | matlock | ... |
| 12:27.32 | babilen | matlock: So install a newer iceweasel version from http://mozilla.debian.net and be happy. |
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| 12:28.03 | matlock | >happy |
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| 12:28.10 | babilen | (iceweasel-release ships 19.0 ... if you need even newer versions then use aurora or beta) |
| 12:28.21 | babilen | So, can we /now/ assume that you use Iceweasel? |
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| 12:29.32 | scx | matlock: http://wklej.org/id/974798/ - available version of Icewasel |
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| 12:29.41 | scx | matlock: http://wklej.org/id/974798/ - available version of Icewasel |
| 12:30.07 | babilen | scx: That is not applicable for squeeze |
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| 12:30.58 | matlock | so you say that it installs 19? |
| 12:31.05 | matlock | cause it installed 10.0.12 |
| 12:31.08 | matlock | not 19 |
| 12:31.17 | scx | babilen: he can use squeeze-backport http://packages.debian.org/squeeze-backports/iceweasel |
| 12:31.30 | matlock | oh and also |
| 12:31.32 | matlock | still crashes |
| 12:31.38 | matlock | but you want me to move .mozilla? |
| 12:31.40 | matlock | ok |
| 12:31.51 | matlock | guess i'll have to rebuild my profile a different way |
| 12:31.54 | babilen | scx: I know -- Have you taken a look at http://mozilla.debian.net that I linked a couple of times now? |
| 12:32.34 | matlock | yep and i knew it wouldn't fix it |
| 12:32.36 | matlock | and it didn't |
| 12:32.46 | babilen | matlock: iceweasel-release from http://mozilla.debian.net ships 19.0 ... squeeze-backports (backports.debian.org) ships the 10.0 ESR release that is currently in wheezy, aurora ships aurora and beta the current beta |
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| 12:33.05 | matlock | <unknown>: Fatal IO error 11 (Resource temporarily unavailable) on X server :0.0. |
| 12:33.11 | matlock | so that's what I get when i run flash |
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| 12:33.38 | matlock | was figuring it had to do with Xorg cause of the issue i had three days ago |
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| 12:34.11 | matlock | i was watchin a youtube, it froze/crashed but wouldn't let me close the tab so i hit my 'fix flash' icon (which kills plugin-container) and my whole screen flashed, |
| 12:34.21 | matlock | nothing worked right until i restarted the x server |
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| 12:36.25 | matlock | and i get the same thing in firefox (the error) when flash crashes.. hmm here's a different one |
| 12:37.08 | matlock | latest crash here: http://pastebin.com/fL99zaeB |
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| 12:37.46 | matlock | that's using firefox (real) with my .mozilla folder |
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| 12:39.41 | matlock | and this one's using iceweasel with my .mozilla folder http://pastebin.com/kqwwutPh |
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| 12:41.40 | matlock | using iceweasel with a new .mozilla http://paste.debian.net/240288/ |
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| 12:43.16 | matlock | and using firefox with a new .mozilla http://paste.debian.net/240289/ |
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| 12:44.53 | FilipeMaia | Is there a way to check if an interface has a cable connected to it? |
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| 12:46.13 | babilen | matlock: Sorry, I am being shanghaied for lunch (hence my silence). Would you mind trying 19.0 from http://mozilla.debian.net (iceweasel-release) as well? Also make sure you installed the latest flash (with "update-flashplugin-nonfree --release --verbose") |
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| 12:46.51 | babilen | FilipeMaia: Yes, ethtool lists that, ifplugd uses it and there are certainly other methods... This shouldn't normally interest |
| 12:46.56 | babilen | you |
| 12:47.16 | FilipeMaia | babilen: thanks, it saves me a trip to the computer |
| 12:47.27 | matlock | babilen, i can't because it won't install |
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| 12:47.51 | matlock | brb going outside for a second |
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| 12:52.32 | matlock | interesting |
| 12:52.46 | matlock | i'm using the method outlined on the site |
| 12:52.48 | matlock | but it won't install |
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| 12:54.39 | matlock | so... the method to install the release version is wrong on that page?? (from what I can tell at least) |
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| 12:55.23 | matlock | apt-get install -t squeeze-backports iceweasel (from the tut) installed 10.. apt-get install iceweasel installed 19 |
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| 12:56.49 | matlock | oh and update-flashplugin-nonfree doesn't recognize --release |
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| 12:57.45 | matlock | oh |
| 12:57.48 | matlock | and after all that |
| 12:57.50 | matlock | nothing |
| 12:57.53 | matlock | still the same deal |
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| 12:59.15 | babilen | matlock: It is "update-flashplugin-nonfree --verbose --install" (as documented in /usr/share/doc/flashplugin-nonfree/README linked http://wiki.debian.org/FlashPlayer) |
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| 12:59.27 | matlock | yea i did that |
| 12:59.30 | matlock | still crashes |
| 12:59.38 | matlock | only now it references chromium |
| 12:59.51 | matlock | WARNING: pipe error (54): Connection reset by peer: file /tmp/buildd/iceweasel-19.0/ipc/chromium/src/chrome/common/ipc_channel_posix.cc, line 431 |
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| 13:00.57 | ksuhku | refers to chrome and not to cromium, chrome is the GUI building blocks in Firefox |
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| 13:01.18 | matlock | well technically |
| 13:01.24 | matlock | it refers to chromium |
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| 13:01.30 | matlock | because chrome is built from chromium |
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| 13:01.46 | ksuhku | no, that's a completely different browser |
| 13:01.56 | ksuhku | nothing to do with firefox |
| 13:02.05 | ksuhku | chrome is the firefox GUI |
| 13:02.09 | matlock | <PROTECTED> |
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| 13:02.28 | babilen | matlock: Are you using nvidia? |
| 13:02.32 | matlock | yep |
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| 13:02.49 | babilen | With the proprietary nvidia drivers? |
| 13:02.54 | matlock | yep |
| 13:02.58 | matlock | nothing else works for this card |
| 13:03.00 | matlock | afaik |
| 13:03.34 | ksuhku | looks like I was wrong, i'm sorry... |
| 13:03.56 | babilen | matlock: Seems to be a known issue. If my impression is not wrong I guess that the assumption that you didn't install the drivers from the Debian repositories is not wrong, is it? |
| 13:04.12 | matlock | actually... |
| 13:04.23 | babilen | hmm? |
| 13:04.35 | matlock | i'm trying to remember |
| 13:04.36 | matlock | lol |
| 13:05.10 | babilen | matlock: What does "aptitude search ~nnvidia" give you? → http://paste.debian.net |
| 13:05.12 | matlock | no i think i used the binary from nvidia cause the one from the repos wouldn't work |
| 13:05.20 | babilen | Ok, great (not) |
| 13:05.54 | matlock | http://paste.debian.net/240294/ |
| 13:05.55 | babilen | matlock: This seems to be a very specific issue affecting certain nvidia driver versions and flash. |
| 13:06.12 | matlock | i know it does have to do with vdpau iirc |
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| 13:07.37 | matlock | trying to remember how i got it working before, i think i used adobe's flash version .. a version back from the latest |
| 13:07.41 | babilen | No, you seem to have nvidia-kernel-dkms installed. Which GPU do you have and could you show me the output of "dpkg -l nvidia-kernel-dkms | tail -n1" ? |
| 13:07.41 | matlock | lemmie try that one |
| 13:08.30 | matlock | ii nvidia-kernel-dkms 195.36.31-6squeeze2 NVIDIA binary kernel module DKMS source |
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| 13:08.49 | babilen | Ok, which GPU do you have? (lspci -nn|grep -i vga) |
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| 13:09.08 | matlock | 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: nVidia Corporation G96 [GeForce 9600M GS] [10de:0648] (rev a1) |
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| 13:10.40 | babilen | Yeah, that one is supported by that driver version. I wonder what the problem with flash is though. One idea is testing how a newer version (i.e. the one from backports) of the nvidia driver behaves with the current flash. |
| 13:10.51 | babilen | dpkg: tell matlock about nvidia dkms bdo |
| 13:11.26 | matlock | yea for now i'm not gonna mess with nvidia... thinking of blowin out my current installation and going to wheezy |
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| 13:11.33 | babilen | matlock: btw, updating to wheezy would also be an option in the long run (cf. <wheezy release notes> <squeeze->wheezy> and <install wheezy> for details) |
| 13:11.45 | matlock | cool\ |
| 13:11.53 | Raydiation | hi is there a way to install debian 7 without updating from 6? |
| 13:12.23 | matlock | will be afk for a few, but i still get messages of course |
| 13:12.26 | babilen | Raydiation: Sure, see "/msg dpkg install wheezy" and use "/msg dpkg firmware images wheezy" if you have a working internet connection during the installation. |
| 13:13.15 | Raydiation | babilen: ty! |
| 13:13.50 | babilen | matlock: fwiw, if you search for the error you get (the IPC one) you get results that suggest that this issue is /very/ specifically linked to nvidia and flash (and apparently specific versions) ... I haven't searched further to find a reasonable bug report, but it shouldn't be too hard to find. It might well be that the versions in wheezy are working fine, but I wouldn't rely on that. |
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| 13:16.11 | brokencycle | Hi! |
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| 13:21.01 | brokencycle | Somehow, it doesn't with this config: http://pastie.org/6411398 |
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| 13:31.03 | shomon | hi, is there a good way to reduce pdf sizes in debian? |
| 13:31.15 | shomon | I have some pdf ebooks I'd like to be able to read on my puny android phone |
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| 13:34.39 | ksk | there are some pdf-toolkits avaliable |
| 13:34.51 | babilen | shomon: Take a look at ghostscript ... searching the 'webs for something along the lines of "reduce pdf size linux" should yield some hits. Sprinkle in "ghostscript" for more specific ones |
| 13:35.12 | shomon | thanks! |
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| 13:38.37 | Alasdairr | Is there a way to check the version of the intel igb driver thats installed on a system? |
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| 13:43.24 | babilen | Alasdairr: "dpkg -l xserver-xorg-video-intel" |
| 13:43.45 | babilen | judd: v xserver-xorg-video-intel |
| 13:43.47 | judd | Package: xserver-xorg-video-intel on i386 -- lenny: 2:2.3.2-2+lenny8; squeeze: 2:2.13.0-7; squeeze-proposed-updates: 2:2.13.0-7; squeeze-backports: 2:2.15.0-3~bpo60+2; sid: 2:2.19.0-6; wheezy: 2:2.19.0-6; experimental: 2:2.20.14-1 |
| 13:43.54 | Alasdairr | babilen: igb is the network driver, not the intel video driver |
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| 13:44.07 | babilen | oh, I autocorrected that to "igp" :) |
| 13:44.11 | Alasdairr | ;-) |
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| 13:44.27 | babilen | sorry ... |
| 13:44.31 | Alasdairr | thats alright! |
| 13:44.55 | Alasdairr | I know which package is installed, it's more me wanting to know what version is currently loaded into the Kernel |
| 13:44.56 | abrotman | Alasdairr: modinfo doesn't help ? |
| 13:45.41 | Alasdairr | Ah hah, thanks, I had forgotten about modinfo |
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| 13:47.10 | abrotman | it was a guess .. |
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| 13:50.44 | mikunos | hi guys I get a strange error when I run in my shell this command: http://pastie.org/6411589 |
| 13:50.52 | mikunos | how have I to solve it? |
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| 13:53.42 | abrotman | strange indeed ... |
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| 13:57.20 | mikunos | abrotman I don't know what have I to do |
| 13:57.57 | mikunos | seems to me that the server doesn't resolve the address |
| 13:58.43 | abrotman | that's not what it's saying |
| 13:58.54 | mikunos | If I ping 173.0.88.101 the system go to timeout |
| 13:59.12 | Devastator | it is resolving correctly |
| 13:59.31 | abrotman | mikunos: ping isn't a test |
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| 13:59.50 | abrotman | mikunos: contact your system admin to help you debug this |
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| 14:00.15 | mikunos | using my box it is resolved correctly |
| 14:00.23 | abrotman | you're not reading |
| 14:00.37 | mikunos | yes I have read your message |
| 14:00.38 | abrotman | mikunos: which OS is this? |
| 14:00.43 | mikunos | debian |
| 14:00.55 | abrotman | do you understand how dns and networks fuction? |
| 14:00.56 | abrotman | function |
| 14:01.09 | mikunos | 2.6.32-5-686-bigmem #1 SMP Mon Feb 25 01:53:47 UTC 2013 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 14:01.28 | mikunos | yes of course abrotman |
| 14:01.42 | abrotman | so explain how you think this is a DNS problem |
| 14:02.33 | mikunos | because in my locale linux box I don't get this error. Maybe the problem is a particular connection to the ssl protocol |
| 14:03.25 | abrotman | mikunos: so explore that avenue |
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| 14:08.08 | mikunos | can you help me? |
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| 14:23.11 | antivirtel | hello! I've just upgraded to 2.2.16-6+squeeze11, but it wouldn't restart after the upg... and there is no other info in the error.log... just that during the service start: http://paste2.org/p/3070772 |
| 14:23.24 | ErVito | hi guyz, i was looking for enabling shutdown and reboot in the panel element "actions button" in xfce |
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| 14:24.20 | ErVito | i did a fast research and i found some solution, one using polkit-action and others modifing polickit.conf |
| 14:24.22 | ErVito | P |
| 14:24.30 | ErVito | PolicyKit.conf* |
| 14:24.33 | jelly | antivirtel: "illegal instruction" is not something that ought to happen with software built for your architecture. What does dpkg --print-architecture say? |
| 14:24.56 | antivirtel | i386 |
| 14:25.03 | jelly | antivirtel: do you see anything unusual in dmesg? |
| 14:25.51 | ErVito | but i don't have polkit-action and i don't know where is PolicyKit.conf |
| 14:25.57 | antivirtel | jelly not really |
| 14:26.03 | jelly | antivirtel: care to pastebin the output of COLUMNS=160 dpkg -l apache2\*|grep '^.i' |
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| 14:26.49 | antivirtel | jelly http://paste2.org/p/3070797 |
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| 14:28.00 | jelly | antivirtel: alright, what about debsums apache2.2-bin, is there any line not ending in "OK"? |
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| 14:31.55 | antivirtel | jelly all passed |
| 14:33.12 | jelly | antivirtel: before testing your hardware (memory in particular), then, you can try downgrading all the apache packages |
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| 14:33.30 | flo` | hi |
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| 14:33.40 | jelly | !tell antivirtel about sdo |
| 14:34.19 | flo` | i'm trying and failing to install nfs-kernel-server under debian squeeze. it fails to configure. i'm getting |
| 14:34.23 | flo` | Starting NFS kernel daemon: nfsdrpc.nfsd: writing fd to kernel failed: errno 111 (Connection refused) |
| 14:34.26 | flo` | rpc.nfsd: unable to set any sockets for nfsd |
| 14:34.53 | flo` | how can i fix that? |
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| 14:37.52 | soulslayer | flo`, consider checking rpcbind and your exports file the errno value decribing the problem completely |
| 14:38.59 | flo` | oh. epic fail. one should start portmap before trying to do this. thanks :( |
| 14:39.02 | flo` | * :) |
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| 14:43.01 | ChrisH | flo`: having portmapper/rpcbind running makes it easier for RPC based programms like NFS :) |
| 14:43.29 | matlock | alright so now i'm back to sound being the core of the issue |
| 14:43.32 | matlock | possibly |
| 14:43.59 | matlock | https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups=#!topic/linux.debian.user/i9sJmzjVBLk suggests that it may be related to the hdmi sink... |
| 14:45.41 | antivirtel | jelly how could I downgrade them as fast as I can? |
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| 14:46.19 | cantoma | hey guys, I have just deleted the linux partition from one of the computer that has as well a windows one. And now the system doesn't boot since grub simple gives and error message and allows me to use command line. What would be the best way to at least tell the system to boot into windows, knowing that the partition exists? |
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| 14:47.27 | mikunos | I have found the problem but I don't know how to solve it. I need to open the outgoing ssl port but how have I to do it? |
| 14:47.37 | k-t | cantoma: Use windows cd to repair install. |
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| 14:48.39 | matlock | cantoma, which version of windows? |
| 14:48.58 | cantoma | k-t, i don't have it for this PC. At the moment I am downloading the Ultimate boot cd which is given by the following website: http://www.ultimatebootcd.com/ |
| 14:49.05 | cantoma | matlock, XP |
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| 14:49.29 | matlock | get the xp install cd, boot to recovery and have it repair the bootloader |
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| 14:50.01 | cantoma | matlock, i don't have it |
| 14:50.11 | matlock | get one |
| 14:50.12 | cantoma | matlock, unless you know a place I could download it |
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| 14:50.23 | matlock | that would be illegal |
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| 14:50.37 | cantoma | matlock, so it cannot be done then |
| 14:50.43 | matlock | but if you happen to 'find' one... http://www.techrepublic.com/article/10-things-you-can-do-when-windows-xp-wont-boot/6031733 steps 6 and 7 |
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| 14:51.03 | matlock | i would do step 7 first |
| 14:51.03 | cantoma | matlock, ok but right now I don't have it |
| 14:51.11 | matlock | well you're going to have to get one |
| 14:51.17 | matlock | there's many ways you can attain one |
| 14:51.31 | cantoma | matlock, you mean non-illegal? |
| 14:51.32 | matlock | i'm not going to detail these ways because most of them are illegal |
| 14:51.50 | matlock | there's one legal way and that would be buying it |
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| 14:52.07 | matlock | anyway.. you may wish to ask in ##windows |
| 14:52.12 | matlock | they would probably be more help |
| 14:52.19 | matlock | just say your mbr is fubar'd |
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| 14:52.30 | cantoma | ok |
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| 14:52.48 | Neitengeuker | moo |
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| 14:54.05 | curfont | Hi guys, is there a tool for easy trasnfer of configuration from one debian to another? Say I have a bunch of servers, and I want them to have the same packages installed |
| 14:54.12 | curfont | For easy deployment for example |
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| 14:55.09 | Alasdairr | curfont: you probably want to consider a configuration management system like chef or puppet |
| 14:55.10 | deepy | curfont: dpkg-query -l |
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| 14:55.20 | jelly | antivirtel: add a snapshot containing the previous version, then do something like aptitude install apache2=2.2.16-6+squeeze10 apache2-mpm-prefork=2.2.16-6+squeeze10 apache2-utils=2.2.16-6+squeeze10 apache2.2-bin=2.2.16-6+squeeze10 |
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| 14:56.51 | curfont | Alasdairr: I see, so they kind of synchronize configs and files? |
| 14:57.18 | mikunos | any help? |
| 14:57.21 | mikunos | or hint? |
| 14:57.44 | curfont | I was trying to set up a network of service servers that had no SPOF and were easy to expand, (for example http://www.elasticinbox.com/ for email etc) |
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| 14:59.34 | Alasdairr | curfont: well puppet and chef are great for managing many servers |
| 14:59.55 | Alasdairr | curfont: but you have to tell them what to do |
| 15:01.10 | jhutchins_wk | bash for loops are all you really need. |
| 15:01.35 | jhutchins_wk | !clone |
| 15:01.35 | dpkg | our $apt=Blootbot->new($apt) |
| 15:01.55 | jhutchins_wk | Ok, that's different. |
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| 15:03.54 | tek0_ | how can I look at the instructions for the post-installation setup/configure of a deb package? |
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| 15:05.10 | tek0_ | nvm, got what I need |
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| 15:09.04 | antivirtel | jelly ... solved... a pagespeed module had an obsolete configuration -.-" why it havent told me, like write it to errors.log? |
| 15:09.41 | jelly | antivirtel: I have absolutely no idea what a "pagespeed module" is. Which package does it come from? |
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| 15:10.53 | antivirtel | https://developers.google.com/speed/pagespeed/ |
| 15:11.18 | antivirtel | mod-pagespeed-stable - Apache 2 module to optimize web content. |
| 15:11.26 | antivirtel | from Google repo |
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| 15:19.46 | FilipeMaia | I have a strange problem with my tftp server. It only works when run from the command line but not from xinetd. Does anyone have any idea what the problem could be? |
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| 15:20.29 | Sevet | perhaps permissions or path? |
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| 15:20.58 | FilipeMaia | Sevet: But I think they should be the same in both cases |
| 15:21.22 | FilipeMaia | I check what command is started from xinetd with ps and it looks like the i start from the comand line |
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| 15:21.28 | Towzzer | bad command line? |
| 15:21.28 | FilipeMaia | (with the exception of the -l) |
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| 15:21.44 | antivirtel | so thanks, bb |
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| 15:21.45 | mikunos | no one can help me |
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| 15:30.17 | Guest61438 | What does 07:25 -!- Connection to irc.freenode.net established 07:26 -!- Connection error! Reason: Array index is out of range. I got this error in smuxi irc client. What does it mean? |
| 15:30.42 | somiaj | Guest61438: might have better luck at #freenode |
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| 15:32.25 | amit^ | Thanks |
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| 15:42.04 | amit^_ | Hello, I got an error the other day which said kernel had crashed in debian 6.0.7 .The error message is from kerneloops. Does that mean this computer is hacked or was it a normal error from an applicatoin within debian? |
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| 15:49.27 | jelly | amit^_: the first is unlikely but possible; the second is incorrect -- it's not "normal" for the linux kernel to crash |
| 15:49.32 | hyoung | whre the debian keep the info of menu? |
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| 15:51.34 | amit^_ | The connection error was due to encoding of the irc client, I had chosen UTF16-unicode earlier and changed it to system-default . Now, the error is gone. |
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| 15:52.34 | amit^_ | jelly: Somebody said it could be the latter. It seemed like a strange message. |
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| 15:54.59 | hyoung | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:55.47 | ZitZ | huh? It's 15:55 UTC |
| 15:55.48 | amit^_ | The local time here is 7:55 |
| 15:56.07 | soulslayer | Thu, 07 Mar 2013 17:56:00 +0200 |
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| 15:56.57 | hyoung | Oh, i am in a deep night. |
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| 15:57.10 | hyoung | time to bed, good day! |
| 15:57.22 | soulslayer | 23:54 deep night ? srsly ? |
| 15:57.35 | hyoung | no? |
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| 15:57.54 | soulslayer | :D that's my lunch time .. |
| 15:57.54 | soulslayer | :D |
| 15:57.56 | vmiimu | On a text only basic install of squeeze without x/gui -- what is the best way to get 256 colors? |
| 15:58.13 | hyoung | :) |
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| 15:58.58 | amit^_ | 23:54 is deep night |
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| 15:59.28 | soulslayer | amit^_, if we assume that everything after 00:00 is morning yes |
| 15:59.57 | vmiimu | tput colors and infocmp | grep colors are both reporting 8 |
| 16:00.08 | amit^_ | soulslayer: I assumed that everything after 4 or 5 AM is morning |
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| 16:00.46 | soulslayer | :D so how deep is 23:54 if you have 4 hours more until morning |
| 16:01.17 | amit^_ | soulslayer: That happens sometimes when I had only 3 or 4 hours to sleep. |
| 16:02.19 | soulslayer | amit^_, if you have to wake up @4/5 o'clock each day ... that's tough ! |
| 16:02.40 | amit^_ | I wake up at 5 or 6 am usually. |
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| 16:03.37 | soulslayer | i'm not sure that i'm capable of this . |
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| 16:05.01 | amit^_ | soulslayer: If you start sleeping at 10 pm each night, it is possible to wake up at 5 AM after a week or so. |
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| 16:05.06 | teh_noob | hello ppl |
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| 16:05.45 | soulslayer | amit^_, agree but i can't fall to sleep so early maybe if i get wasted or something familiar. |
| 16:06.47 | amit^_ | soulslayer: I know what you're saying. The best thing is to shut off everthing by 8 pm so that you can sleep by 10 pm and delay everthing to the next day. |
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| 16:08.14 | soulslayer | amit^_, :D im not sure what kind of impact that will have over my productivity .... most of the useful things i do happens after the witch hour. |
| 16:08.18 | amit^_ | soulslayer: Probably , you try to do something till late night each night. |
| 16:08.26 | soulslayer | exactamente |
| 16:08.32 | amit^_ | soulslayer: Nothing is more important than your health, sleep. |
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| 16:09.21 | teh_noob | i'm having some problems with rc.local i edited so it runs a script at boot weird thing is sometimes it works and sometimes doesn't don't understand how to solve this |
| 16:09.52 | Nik05 | teh_noob: show us what you did ;) |
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| 16:10.41 | teh_noob | Nik05: i just added the path to the .sh script to rc.local |
| 16:11.21 | teh_noob | the script works fine i know cause it runs fine when executed |
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| 16:11.33 | slooth | Hello, I'm using Fedora 17 LiveCD just so I can install Debian with debootstrap. However, I'm running into problems: E: Invalid Release file, no entry for main/binary-x86/Packages. (I tried the .deb directly and I tried the debootstrap.rpm) Any help? Thanks |
| 16:11.54 | johndoe | how do i start gdm in wheezy? |
| 16:12.22 | teh_noob | and it's like i said when it runs at boot it works fine also |
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| 16:12.28 | teh_noob | so its wierd |
| 16:12.31 | phasma | johndoe: service gdm start |
| 16:12.49 | phasma | johndoe: if it's not installed, and you want it, go ahead and pull it in :) |
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| 16:14.02 | proby | hi , i have many apps in wheezy not comforming to gtk theme as others conform very well |
| 16:14.03 | johndoe | phasma: is gdm the default display manager? |
| 16:14.08 | johndoe | or should i use something else? |
| 16:14.11 | johndoe | im kinda out of the loop |
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| 16:14.12 | zykotick9 | johndoe: gdm3 perhaps... |
| 16:14.24 | soulslayer | teh_noob, inspect your logs |
| 16:14.26 | johndoe | and im ircing from the terminal, without graphical support =D |
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| 16:16.53 | phasma | johndoe: oh, heh and as for the dm, i have to say, i am unsure, sorry. i always net install. maybe somebody else can pipe in |
| 16:17.13 | johndoe | hm the apt flag for gdm is c, not i |
| 16:17.24 | soulslayer | gdm3 default dm for default debian installation |
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| 16:25.06 | proby | hi , i have a gnome 3.4 installation , when modifying a theme from tweak tool , nothing happens , so i modify from the config "ini file" and i had added to .xinitrc "gnome-settings-daemon" but still some app ignore gtk theme , any ideas ? |
| 16:25.55 | soulslayer | :D i guess that apps don't use gtk ? |
| 16:26.05 | proby | no they use i |
| 16:26.08 | proby | it |
| 16:26.13 | proby | xchat |
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| 16:30.28 | proby | this channel is not helpful at all , am searching for solutions in arch wiki instead of debian :/ |
| 16:31.08 | proby | even debian wikis don't give any help at all !! |
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| 16:35.23 | twobitsprite | anyone know if any gotchas with upgrading from the openldap slapd in squeeze to the version in sid? Is the database format compatible, etc? |
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| 16:36.06 | vmiimu | On a text only basic install of squeeze without x/gui -- How can I enable 256 colors? |
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| 16:36.09 | vmiimu | tput colors and infocmp | grep colors are both reporting 8 |
| 16:36.48 | phunyguy | so I have KDE running with appmenu-qt also, but it doesn't work for gtk apps, and there is no appmenu-gtk in the standard repo. How safe is it to use a recent package from Ubuntu? |
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| 16:39.19 | dawud | phunyguy: unsupported at the very least |
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| 16:39.43 | phunyguy | yeah wasn't demanding help, but just more asking for a hook-up |
| 16:39.48 | phunyguy | thanks anyway. |
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| 16:40.42 | phunyguy | so with that being said, I see requests from like 2011/early 2012 to make this into a package for Debian, but it's not yet o.O |
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| 16:40.55 | johndoe | can i install mate on debian? |
| 16:40.55 | phunyguy | seems like such a simple package. |
| 16:41.00 | dawud | phunyguy: recent ubuntu packages are not going to work if you're on squeeze anyway |
| 16:41.07 | phunyguy | I am on Wheezy |
| 16:41.13 | phunyguy | that is why I said recent |
| 16:41.17 | dawud | phunyguy: nobody stepped in to package it, I guess |
| 16:41.46 | phunyguy | can you give me a roundabout Ubuntu version that would align OK with Wheezy? |
| 16:41.51 | phunyguy | 12.04? |
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| 16:42.05 | dawud | phunyguy: even in wheezy you might need older versions than current ubuntu, but maybe you can do better and try to dget the source and package it for your own use |
| 16:42.17 | phunyguy | yeah I could.... |
| 16:42.34 | phunyguy | I don't know enough about that stuff anyway |
| 16:42.39 | phunyguy | should probably learn. |
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| 16:42.46 | dawud | phunyguy: I mean, if it's that simple (note I don't know anything about that very pkg) |
| 16:42.56 | phunyguy | so if I package it, then a library gets updated, it's just a recompile with the new libs, right? |
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| 16:43.14 | phunyguy | recompile and repackage |
| 16:43.46 | dawud | phunyguy: oh, quite simple in fact, dget the *dsc file, which takes care of downloading the rest, tag it with dch -l (for future reference) , and debuild -us -uc. Still, you need to find the best matching version |
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| 16:44.16 | phunyguy | do you have a how-to page? |
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| 16:44.58 | dawud | phunyguy: I'm checking for the best possible version here: http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?suite=all§ion=all&arch=any&keywords=appmenu-gtk&searchon=names |
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| 16:45.28 | zykotick9 | vmiimu: that is interesting, my "linux console" does report 8 (like yours), but inside my tmux session (setup with 256) it does report 256 (again, still on "linux console") |
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| 16:46.35 | phunyguy | dawud: basically it exports the file/edit/view/etc menus over dbus and puts them in a panel widget I have. |
| 16:46.47 | phunyguy | works great for qt apps, but gtk gets no love |
| 16:47.11 | dawud | phunyguy: I see, there's also appmenu-gtk3 there |
| 16:47.25 | phunyguy | yeah I would actualyl probably need both |
| 16:47.48 | phunyguy | I remember doing this in kubuntu, but both were in the repos there xD |
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| 16:48.07 | dawud | phunyguy: it might get hairy once you step into dep problems |
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| 16:48.21 | phunyguy | that is what I am afraid of... |
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| 16:49.35 | phunyguy | and I am afraid there may be a dependency problem to begin with, hence why it's not in the repos. |
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| 16:52.35 | dawud | phunyguy: I'm trying to build oneric's one myself and all deps are in wheezy, so it shouldn't be much of a problem, still you know you're on your own afterwards ;) |
| 16:53.27 | phunyguy | yeah yeah. Can you tell me what you did in case I have to rebuild> |
| 16:53.28 | phunyguy | ? |
| 16:54.08 | dawud | phunyguy: in detail, the packages needed to build it are: libgtk-3-dev libdbusmenu-glib-dev libdbusmenu-gtk-dev libdbusmenu-gtk3-dev (and probably more that I already have installed) |
| 16:54.30 | phunyguy | dawud that sounds OK. |
| 16:54.33 | dawud | phunyguy: but debuild will complain and give you a chance to install them |
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| 16:55.43 | zooz | is there a way to read a version number from debian/changelog? maybe there is a tool for that? |
| 16:56.01 | dawud | phunyguy: the 1st step was: dget http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/a/appmenu-gtk/appmenu-gtk_12.10.2-0ubuntu1.dsc, 2nd: cd appmenu-gtk*, 3rd: dch -l ~local 'Don't do this!', 4th: debuild -us -uc |
| 16:56.11 | dondelelcaro | zooz: yes, there is, but what are you trying to do? |
| 16:57.09 | zooz | dondelelcaro, I am writing a jenkins job to build a deb package from a git repo |
| 16:57.16 | phunyguy | dawud: thanks, and you mentioned dependency issues, and that is what I was asking about earlier, if debian versions change, I can just redo the process, no? |
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| 16:57.19 | dondelelcaro | (there are actually lots of ways to do that, but in general, you shouldn't care what the version is) |
| 16:57.22 | zooz | so I want to use debian/changelog as a reference for version number |
| 16:57.35 | dondelelcaro | zooz: oh, right. The best thing to use for that is dch |
| 16:57.57 | zooz | do you know what parameter that might be? |
| 16:58.35 | dondelelcaro | zooz: you'd just use dch to increment the version and add an appropriate date suffix to it, and then build the package |
| 16:58.47 | dondelelcaro | zooz: the version will then be in the .changes file which gets generated. |
| 16:59.05 | johndoe | im using startx. where do i set the graphics driver used? |
| 16:59.13 | dawud | phunyguy: you can always rebuild the pkg, but this is dynamic linking we're talking about, and you'll be rebuilding from source and linking actual wheezy libs |
| 16:59.13 | zooz | dondelelcaro, yeah, but what I am doing is, I want to have debian/ in the same git repo |
| 16:59.23 | zooz | dondelelcaro, it's in house built software |
| 17:00.06 | dawud | johndoe: lspci -vvv and look for your VGA card |
| 17:00.28 | dondelelcaro | zooz: right, that's fine. |
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| 17:00.35 | johndoe | dawud: ok. where do i set the driver that is used, i want to change the default 'radeon' |
| 17:00.35 | maxim__ | hi |
| 17:00.47 | maxim__ | Who want paid proxy? |
| 17:00.47 | Iridos | phunyguy, well, fyi http://bugs.debian.org/656177 |
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| 17:01.37 | dondelelcaro | zooz: so what you'd end up with is a debian package which had the current version from debian/changelog plus some kind of timestamp |
| 17:01.42 | arij | can some one look at this bandwidth chart |
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| 17:01.46 | arij | and tell me if im being ddosed |
| 17:01.47 | phunyguy | Iridos: says it works there... |
| 17:02.03 | arij | http://gyazo.com/3b1a43c9a5c7b681b2b0439f3bb1a97e |
| 17:02.23 | zooz | dondelelcaro, the idea is, update debian/changelog, commit changes, tag it and then get jenkins to build a package |
| 17:02.23 | phunyguy | Iridos: although I am unsure what patches they are referring to. |
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| 17:02.47 | Iridos | phunyguy, says there it works with ubuntu patches... right. that might mean ubuntu patches to gtk |
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| 17:03.12 | phunyguy | Iridos: how is that a bad thing? |
| 17:03.27 | dondelelcaro | zooz: right. dch handles the whole update debian/changelog step |
| 17:03.33 | Iridos | dunno how enjoyable it is to build gtk |
| 17:03.36 | dondelelcaro | zooz: so you don't actually have to parse it at all |
| 17:03.59 | dondelelcaro | zooz: you can either just increment it, or use the -l option to provide a timestamp |
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| 17:04.50 | zooz | dondelelcaro, don't I need to create a <upstream_version>.orig.tar.gz ? |
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| 17:06.11 | maxim__ | who want paid proxy? |
| 17:06.11 | dawud | johndoe: do you plan to use propietary drivers? |
| 17:06.23 | dondelelcaro | maxim__: that's not on topic here. |
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| 17:06.52 | dondelelcaro | zooz: generally, that should already exist. However, if you're doing continuous integration or similar, you can just use a native package |
| 17:07.03 | dondelelcaro | zooz: at least, until the point that you actually do a release and have a real orig.tar.gz |
| 17:07.49 | dondelelcaro | zooz: the main point of having a separate upstream orig.tar.gz is to separate Debian changes from upstream changes; when you're building both at the same time, it's less of a big deal |
| 17:08.14 | zooz | dondelelcaro, I see, thanks |
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| 17:08.53 | dondelelcaro | zooz: and if you actually need to really parse the changelog, see dpkg-parsechangelog |
| 17:08.58 | phunyguy | Iridos: still not sure I follow |
| 17:09.05 | dondelelcaro | zooz: but in general, dch is probably the way to go |
| 17:09.11 | zooz | dondelelcaro, awesome, thanks |
| 17:09.16 | boingolov | anyone running wheezy rc1? |
| 17:09.23 | boingolov | just curious how stable it is |
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| 17:09.48 | dondelelcaro | boingolov: it's testing; this close to the release it should be fairly stable, but it's still going to have some bugs |
| 17:10.32 | dondelelcaro | zooz: no problem; good luck! |
| 17:10.33 | boingolov | my home server is running Lenny, and I need to upgrade, trying to decide between wheezy rc1 and squeeze |
| 17:10.52 | dondelelcaro | boingolov: upgrade to squeeze first, then consider upgrading to wheezy later. |
| 17:10.54 | boingolov | I might just wait out wheezy |
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| 17:11.15 | boingolov | dondelelcaro: if the fact that I'm still running Lenny is any indicator, I don't upgrade often ;) |
| 17:11.23 | dondelelcaro | boingolov: Debian doesn't support skipping releases, so you'll have to upgrade to squeeze at least. |
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| 17:11.35 | boingolov | dondelelcaro: I'm not doing an upgrade |
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| 17:11.44 | dondelelcaro | boingolov: why not? |
| 17:11.51 | boingolov | not worth the bother usually |
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| 17:11.56 | somiaj | boingolov: oldstable always gets a year of security support, debain thinks a year is enough time to allow most people to upgrade. So once wheezy upgrades, squeeze will have a year of support |
| 17:12.01 | somiaj | sorry once wheezy becomes stable |
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| 17:12.33 | dondelelcaro | boingolov: eh? It's way easier to upgrade Debian than to reinstall and reconfigure... but whatever works, I guess. |
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| 17:12.58 | dondelelcaro | I mean, if this was something that wasn't Debian, sure... but it's not. |
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| 17:13.18 | boingolov | dondelelcaro: depends on several factors. easier? when it works, if it works. and then only maybe, depending on how much stuff I had to compile on my own to get newer versions than what was available |
| 17:13.35 | boingolov | also, this thing boots from CF, so the storage is very very slow |
| 17:13.54 | phunyguy | oh Iridos, I think I understand now, you are saying that gtk as a whole was patched for it.... yeah that makes more sense. |
| 17:13.59 | phunyguy | hrmph. |
| 17:14.03 | phunyguy | sad face. |
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| 17:15.07 | boingolov | I'm wiping and reinstalling regardless of which one I go with |
| 17:15.17 | Iridos | phunyguy, reads like it, not 100% sure |
| 17:15.19 | dondelelcaro | boingolov: I've got quite a few things running from CF and SD, but again, it's your machine and your time. Best of luck. |
| 17:15.35 | phunyguy | Iridos: I concur with your thoughts/ |
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| 17:15.54 | johnfg | hi guys |
| 17:16.00 | johnfg | Just got a new hp printer. |
| 17:16.36 | phunyguy | awesome? |
| 17:16.40 | phunyguy | o.O |
| 17:16.43 | adsfa | when these hybrid Debian live images are put on a USB key by issuing "cat debian.iso > /dev/sdX", am I seeing correctly that storage is wasted on huge USB keys? There seems no persistent storage to have been created... |
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| 17:16.52 | johnfg | It's supported in hplip, but it looks like it's too new for the hplip installed on squeeze. |
| 17:16.57 | adsfa | johnfg: what printer, exactly? |
| 17:17.06 | dondelelcaro | adsfa: right |
| 17:17.20 | adsfa | dondelelcaro: what? |
| 17:17.23 | johnfg | officejet 6700 premium |
| 17:17.35 | kli0rf | can it print on both sides? |
| 17:17.40 | johnfg | kli0rf: yes |
| 17:18.01 | dondelelcaro | adsfa: they're wasted. There should be a howto on writing to the usb key such that you generate multiple partitions first |
| 17:18.23 | johnfg | the support is in the latest version of hplip, confirmed by going to their website. |
| 17:18.25 | vmiimu | How may I enable 256 colors on headless debian squeeze? |
| 17:18.39 | amit^_ | johnfg: Does hp make good printers? I had an epson nx430 printer and it was really good. |
| 17:18.47 | Iridos | judd, versions hplip |
| 17:18.48 | judd | Package: hplip on i386 -- lenny: 2.8.6.b-4+lenny1; lenny-security: 2.8.6.b-4+lenny1; lenny-backports: 3.10.5-4~bpo50+1; squeeze: 3.10.6-2+squeeze1; sid: 3.12.6-3.1; wheezy: 3.12.6-3.1; experimental: 3.12.11-1 |
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| 17:19.10 | johnfg | Do I need to install a newer version? |
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| 17:19.22 | johnfg | Iridos: thanks, you were too quick! |
| 17:19.46 | adsfa | dondelelcaro: why aren't the hybrid images made in such a way, so that a partition as persistent storage is created, if the device has enough space? |
| 17:19.57 | johnfg | the latest version of hplip (but apparently we don't have it yet) is 3.13.2. |
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| 17:20.08 | somiaj | adsfa: if you use an iso-hybrid image you have to use the whole usbkey (Due to making it bootable) |
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| 17:20.27 | somiaj | adsfa: if you grab the usb-hdd image you can parttion the remaining space as a seperate partition with any partition tool |
| 17:20.28 | adsfa | somiaj: I know, since it's written to /dev/sdX |
| 17:20.45 | somiaj | adsfa: note that windows will not be able to read off that second parttion in most cases. |
| 17:20.46 | johnfg | amit^_: Had? Anyway, yes, hp's are good too, but my previous one for the home office just quit. |
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| 17:21.04 | adsfa | somiaj: fortunately, I don't have to deal with windows anymore... |
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| 17:21.40 | Iridos | johnfg, http://hplipopensource.com/hplip-web/release_notes.html says support was added in 3.12.4 |
| 17:21.41 | mikunos | how have I to open in outgoing mode the 443 port in the server? |
| 17:21.49 | somiaj | adsfa: yea, I rarely do, so my usbkey is built that way. I was just saying it was an issue I ran into |
| 17:22.15 | somiaj | adsfa: but yes, the usb-hdd images from live.debian.org are fairly easy to partition the remaining space on your usb drive and use it however you like |
| 17:22.25 | adsfa | somiaj: can I just create a new partition using fdisk when the system is booted off that live usb key? |
| 17:22.31 | johnfg | I wonder if that sid version would have the support/driver. |
| 17:22.38 | Iridos | judd, checkbackport hplip |
| 17:22.43 | judd | Backporting package hplip in sid→squeeze/i386: unsatisfiable build dependencies: Build-Depends: pyppd (>= 0.4.9-5). |
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| 17:22.54 | Iridos | judd, checkbackport pyppd |
| 17:22.55 | judd | Backporting package pyppd in sid→squeeze/i386: all build-dependencies satisfied using squeeze. |
| 17:22.57 | somiaj | adsfa: yes, but you have to create the partition after you cat image > /dev/sdX |
| 17:23.35 | johnfg | Iridos: so, i'd need to backport package pyppd first, then the backport of hplip? |
| 17:23.37 | somiaj | adsfa: but yes you can use any method, tools you want to create the parttion afterwards |
| 17:23.39 | Iridos | johnfg, ^^^ seems you'd need to backport hplip and pyppd from wheezy |
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| 17:23.57 | Iridos | dpkg, tell johnfg about ssb |
| 17:24.09 | phunyguy | Iridos: the more I think about it, the more I think you are right about the GTK patches. I also remember having to change a config file to enable the functionality in a core gtk config file. |
| 17:24.10 | Iridos | johnfg, indeed :D |
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| 17:25.08 | adsfa | somiaj: I just created a new partition with fdisk and got this (after trying to write the changes): WARNING: Re-reading the partition table failed with error 16: Device or resource busy. |
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| 17:25.31 | adsfa | somiaj: Maybe I should not do it when the system is booted from the device... |
| 17:25.48 | somiaj | adsfa: and you used the usb-hdd image (not the iso-hybrid image)? |
| 17:26.02 | adsfa | somiaj: no, I used the iso-hybrid |
| 17:26.13 | kaste | Hello, I just installed a system with the net installer using raid and lvm and now it won't boot. basically the bios doesn't find grub it appears. Is there anything I could have done wrong in the installation? |
| 17:26.14 | somiaj | adsfa: that is the issue, I already said you have to use the usb-hdd image |
| 17:26.34 | somiaj | adsfa: the iso image is stuck to cdrom issues which I think means you have to use the whole key |
| 17:27.33 | adsfa | somiaj: can you send me a link, please? I only find iso-hybrid, netboot and webboot at live.debian.net |
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| 17:28.31 | somiaj | adsfa: hmm, looks like they didn't make them for wheezy. I only ever did this with the squeeze images, which they are still there |
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| 17:30.00 | adsfa | somiaj: thanks |
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| 17:30.08 | somiaj | I don't know the details between the differences, i just knew that on squeeze the iso-hybrid image and usb-hdd image were different in how they delt with partitions |
| 17:30.17 | jehee | Hi, I am using ntp and ntpdate and I have changed my sync servers in the ntp.conf. I have also restarted the service but when I run ntpq -p my servers are not in the list. Why is that? |
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| 17:30.20 | Iridos | mikunos, nc -p 443 connecting without any ssl, use s_client from openssl if you want with ssl, but nothing else |
| 17:31.43 | dawud | jehee: check the value of NTPDATE_USE_NTP_CONF in /etc7default/ntpdate |
| 17:31.45 | Iridos | phunyguy, well, you could ask the guy from the RFP what he did. Or possibly ask to clarify in the bug report, which might help making someone want to package it... (although that will certainly not happen for wheezy) |
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| 17:32.19 | matlock | abrotman, you'll be happy to know i solved the issue |
| 17:32.20 | phunyguy | Iridos: ok thanks |
| 17:32.23 | matlock | i blew out my profile |
| 17:32.25 | jehee | dawud it is set to "yes" |
| 17:32.28 | matlock | and created a new one |
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| 17:32.44 | jehee | however, my old servers are in this file |
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| 17:32.50 | mikunos | Iridos Hi |
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| 17:33.03 | mikunos | Iridos the problem is the outgoing connection |
| 17:33.09 | dawud | jehee: which file? /etc/ntp.conf or /etc/default/ntpdate? |
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| 17:33.17 | jehee | later |
| 17:33.17 | mikunos | I am using Bastille as firewall |
| 17:33.22 | jehee | ntpdate |
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| 17:33.37 | mikunos | and I don't understand if it is blocked |
| 17:33.50 | matlock | basically it was mv /home/mikah /home/mikah.old; sudo mkdir /home/mikah; sudo chown mikah:mikah /home/mikah logged out then in and tested, works perfectly after a new pull of flashplugin-nonfree |
| 17:34.12 | mikunos | I have all the behaviours that shows me this |
| 17:34.26 | dawud | jehee: Not used if NTPDATE_USE_NTP_CONF is yes. |
| 17:34.27 | matlock | now i'm just copying all my essential folders from mikah.old so the rest of my profile comes back |
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| 17:34.38 | mikunos | any help? |
| 17:34.43 | somiaj | adsfa: yea that is a shame they dont' make usb-hdd images anymore, I liked having the rest working |
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| 17:34.59 | mikunos | I don't know how to open the 443 port |
| 17:35.03 | peterrooney | dawud: where is this behaviour documented? |
| 17:35.07 | somiaj | adsfa: there is another option. You can put a custom grub on your usb stick and have it boot directally from an .iso file on the drive |
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| 17:35.36 | somiaj | adsfa: that way you can either use it all as one partition (or partition it up as you choose) and boot from the .iso image just sitting on the drive, as opposed to writting the image to drive |
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| 17:35.51 | somiaj | adsfa: there are some various howto's on doing this (allowing you to have multiple live .iso images on the same usb stick) |
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| 17:38.54 | johnfg | Iridos: before I run aptitude update, how does this look: http://paste.debian.net/240336/ |
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| 17:39.30 | jehee | dawud so I checked in the ntpdate and NTPDATE_USE_NTP_CONF is set to yes. And in my /etc/ntp.conf the servers I have specified does not show when using ntpq -p |
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| 17:41.27 | johnfg | Iridos: how did that look? |
| 17:41.51 | somiaj | johnfg: looks good. I don't trust the deb multimedia repo, but see nothing terrible |
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| 17:42.10 | somiaj | you have backports.debian.org in there twice (not needed) |
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| 17:42.52 | johnfg | And, I installed the printer on my wheezy vm, but get an error about QT4 GUI support. |
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| 17:43.03 | johnfg | somiaj: thanks! I'll update then. |
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| 17:44.45 | peterrooney | dawud: sorry, it's documented in wheezy. Not in squeeze. |
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| 17:44.59 | johnfg | Is there a pkg available for qt4 gui wheezy? |
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| 17:45.55 | somiaj | johnfg: maybe address one problem at a time. The soures you showed me were only squeeze. |
| 17:45.57 | dawud | peterrooney, jehee: I never asked, indeed, is that squeeze or wheezy? |
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| 17:46.10 | somiaj | johnfg: how did you install your printer? It sounds like it wasn't from a debian package. |
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| 17:46.41 | jehee | dawud no idea man. |
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| 17:47.58 | dawud | jehee: lsb_release -a |
| 17:47.58 | jehee | how do I find out? |
| 17:48.17 | jehee | its squeeze. |
| 17:48.22 | jehee | How named these version anyway? |
| 17:48.26 | jehee | who |
| 17:48.43 | johnfg | somiaj: I had just added the deb-src line for sid. |
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| 17:49.01 | ksk | !tell jehee about debian-names |
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| 17:49.18 | dawud | jehee: run ntpq interactively and then issue 'peers' |
| 17:49.20 | ksk | hum, google it :P |
| 17:49.20 | johnfg | I'm following the suggestions from dpkg on how to install the backports, first pyppd, then hplip. |
| 17:49.28 | jehee | dawud I tried that |
| 17:50.00 | jelly | ksk: did you want /msg dpkg release history |
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| 17:50.06 | johnfg | somiaj: If I understand the question about the printer, squeeze wasn't able to install it, as the driver for it is too new; but it's in hplip for wheezy. |
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| 17:50.37 | ksk | jelly: i wanted to make it tell jehee how debian releases are named and why (this toystory-thingie) |
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| 17:51.27 | dawud | jehee: well, it *should* be using the servers listed in /etc/ntp.conf, care to paste it? (paste.debian, please) |
| 17:51.34 | somiaj | johnfg: ahh yea then it may take some work. There isn't a driver already in backports? |
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| 17:51.47 | jehee | yeah sure |
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| 17:53.31 | johnfg | somiaj: I searched, but didn't find one. |
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| 17:54.22 | johnfg | Ok, i've followed all the directions up to: 4) install the resultant debs. I haven't done too much of this, so how do I do that? |
| 17:54.31 | somiaj | johnfg: I'm not that famaliar with printer drivers. It probabaly requires you get a newer version of cups |
| 17:54.43 | somiaj | johnfg: you should see some foo.deb files that you created, dpkg -i foo.deb |
| 17:54.56 | somiaj | a source package may install more debs than you need. ONly install the ones you need |
| 17:55.25 | jehee | dawud http://pastebin.com/jVNLyK9s |
| 17:55.49 | johnfg | somiaj: Yeah, it's in /etc/apt where I ran the aptitude stuff from. So you think the pyppd might install unwanted debis? |
| 17:56.03 | johnfg | s/debis/debs/ |
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| 17:56.43 | somiaj | johnfg: ugly, I would move all that stuff to someplace more reasonable |
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| 17:56.50 | somiaj | johnfg: $HOME/src or /usr/src are two suggestd place |
| 17:57.02 | somiaj | (don't want to fill /etc up with source compiles) |
| 17:57.22 | johnfg | somiaj: Yeah I should and will. pyppd is installed, now for hplip. |
| 17:57.38 | johnfg | somiaj: Iridos: btw...thanks for your help! |
| 17:57.44 | dawud | !tell jehee about pastebin |
| 17:58.04 | dawud | jehee: luckily I use elinks :) |
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| 17:58.46 | adsfa | somiaj: ah yes? To date I had trouble finding an adequate guide on having multiple live isos on a single USB key and am also disappointed that this is not supported by unetbootin |
| 17:58.51 | Nahiyan | Can one have persistance of data in Debian's Live distro? |
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| 17:59.28 | jehee | dawud I dont even know what that is. But am guessing you were able to read my paste. |
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| 18:00.01 | Nahiyan | like mounting directories to.. ISO files on the disk? |
| 18:00.12 | jehee | and the only thing I changed in ntp.conf is the server list |
| 18:00.24 | somiaj | adsfa: unetbootin is fairly hit and miss just making an iso bootable on a usb drive. hence why debian and others provice these iso-hybrids. I am courious why they got rid of the usb-hdd images. My guess is you could use the tools at debian live to make your own. |
| 18:01.12 | dawud | jehee: append 'iburst' to your server lines and restart the service |
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| 18:01.22 | jehee | care to tell what iburst is? :o |
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| 18:01.48 | dawud | jehee: man ntp.conf(5) explains it |
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| 18:03.08 | jehee | dawud: well, its still not working |
| 18:03.10 | jehee | :/ |
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| 18:03.17 | johnfg_ | somiaj: I'm in /usr/src, and see that in days past I've used it! Like openafs, kernel stuff. Thanks for reminding me. |
| 18:03.32 | adsfa | somiaj: 1) I don't understand your first sentence, logically. 2) What is your guess? That this feature has been removed in order to stifle users from making their own custom isos? |
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| 18:04.33 | dawud | jehee: something useful in your logs? |
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| 18:05.21 | jehee | where can I access the logs? |
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| 18:05.42 | dawud | jehee: usually under /var/log |
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| 18:08.12 | mikunos | does anybody help me with the port 443 |
| 18:08.13 | mikunos | ? |
| 18:08.25 | jehee | ok am gonna look. Meanwhile, about iburst. I see here it sends a burst of eight packets instead of one. What is the function of this? |
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| 18:09.06 | sweb | http://askubuntu.com/questions/264827/changing-name-server-to-local |
| 18:09.21 | sweb | please help me ... i think it's a simple question |
| 18:10.18 | rww | sweb: this is #debian. Perhaps you meant to /join #ubuntu. |
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| 18:10.32 | johnfg_ | When I went to install the backport version of hplip, it returns errors about some pkgs it needs, but an older one is installed. I see that the newer ones are in /usr/src. |
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| 18:10.48 | johnfg_ | Is there a way to make dpkg -i install them too? |
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| 18:11.03 | johnfg_ | Or do each one individually? |
| 18:11.36 | sweb | rww: i think ubuntu irc and community sucks |
| 18:11.43 | sunoano | daniel baumann in here? |
| 18:11.57 | rww | sweb: That's unfortunate, but Ubuntu isn't on-topic for this channel. |
| 18:12.11 | rww | (because it's not Debian ;) |
| 18:13.06 | dawud | jehee: perhaps you can find the info in http://www.eecis.udel.edu/~mills/ntp/html/index.html useful. |
| 18:13.25 | dawud | johnfg_: you can dpkg -i pkgA pkgB ... pkgN |
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| 18:14.39 | dawud | mikunos: what is the problem? |
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| 18:15.30 | sunoano | sigh http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=701936 |
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| 18:16.15 | adsfa | somiaj: would be very nice if you could comment until 18:45 UT or so (provided you read that before ;) because then I got to leave |
| 18:16.41 | dawud | sweb: /etc/resolv.conf can be updated by several packages, if you're using a DM, you're safest bet is to change your DNS in its system configuration graphical thingy |
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| 18:17.02 | somiaj | adsfa: 1) unetbootin does not always work, really not a good tool IMO. 2) I do not know why live.debian.net is no longer buliding usb-hdd images |
| 18:17.05 | sweb | dawud: it's ubuntu server |
| 18:17.08 | johnfg_ | Things are not so straightforward as they seem. Besides those other pkgs, which at least were there, it now needs additional python pkgs. |
| 18:17.22 | somiaj | sweb: if it is a ubuntu server, /j #ubuntu |
| 18:17.34 | rww | somiaj: already went over that with them :) |
| 18:17.40 | johnfg_ | Not sure if they have to be installed with src or not. |
| 18:17.59 | johnfg_ | What's the syntax to see what provides a pkg? |
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| 18:18.24 | somiaj | johnfg_: apt-cache search <string> |
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| 18:20.35 | somiaj | adsfa: the issue with the multile live iso booting (along with unetbootin I'm assuming) is the differences in distros. Each distro/live image need it's own little custom tweak in the grub.cfg to boot correctly |
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| 18:22.17 | adsfa | how are you preparing random live isos (not necesserily unix ones)? |
| 18:22.31 | adsfa | somiaj: ^^ |
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| 18:22.51 | sukaeto | has a n00b question |
| 18:22.57 | sukaeto | so I will apologize in advance for it |
| 18:23.07 | sukaeto | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=689268#489 |
| 18:23.14 | somiaj | I don't use live images that often. I just created that squeeze usb-hdd one to help ease installs |
| 18:23.36 | sukaeto | I'm trying to figure out what he means by "which is due to be installed in the Debian FTP archive" |
| 18:23.47 | sukaeto | this bug is in Wheezy |
| 18:23.53 | sukaeto | that message was posted Feb 25 |
| 18:24.05 | tapioco | I've got to reinstall the hd due to a failure and lost all alsa config dor that, I do not remember how to setup alsa for mic |
| 18:24.18 | somiaj | sukaeto: that means it gets put into incomming, which then gets filtered into sid |
| 18:24.23 | sukaeto | there have been no updates to the kernel since then (I updated my system last Sunday, I'm still experiencing the crash related to the bug) |
| 18:24.25 | somiaj | ,v linux-image-amd64 |
| 18:24.27 | judd | Package: linux-image-amd64 on i386 -- lenny: 2.6.26+17+lenny1; lenny-backports: 2.6.32+27~bpo50+1; squeeze: 2.6.32+29; squeeze-backports: 3.2+44~bpo60+1; squeeze-backports: 3.2+46~bpo60+1; sid: 3.2+46; wheezy: 3.2+46 |
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| 18:24.48 | sukaeto | somiaj: so there's no indication whether or not it'll make it into Wheezy? |
| 18:24.57 | somiaj | sukaeto: oh it has been in wheezy for some time |
| 18:25.03 | tapioco | NVIDIA Corporation MCP72XE/MCP72P/MCP78U/MCP78S High Definition Audio (rev a1) |
| 18:25.04 | sukaeto | (Ben earlier stated that the bug was not release blocking) |
| 18:25.18 | somiaj | sukaeto: that fix was 3.2.39, the curret version is 3.2.46 in both wheezy and sid |
| 18:25.28 | sukaeto | somiaj: so that particular fix should be in Wheezy? |
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| 18:25.38 | somiaj | sukaeto: it should be, you can check the changelog to be sure |
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| 18:25.42 | johnfg_ | I wonder if I can get someone else to backport hplip for squeeze. There's more and more showing up that needs to be done: install, removal, update, another removal, on and on. |
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| 18:25.58 | somiaj | johnfg_: welcome to backporting. (: |
| 18:26.04 | somiaj | some things are simple, some things are not |
| 18:26.33 | johnfg | somiaj: I remember doing it for openafs, but didn't involve nearly so much. |
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| 18:26.57 | johnfg | somiaj: It makes me appreciate what the backporters have done, for sure. |
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| 18:27.17 | sukaeto | somiaj: kernel-image-amd64 is at 3.2.35-2, according to packages.debian.org |
| 18:27.31 | somiaj | sukaeto: sorry, yea I guess those versions I was looking at was off |
| 18:27.36 | sukaeto | the changelog shows the last update was in Dec |
| 18:27.54 | somiaj | sukaeto: correct, the wheezy version is 3.2.35, the sid version is 3.2.39 -- that is the fixed version. If it isn't an rc bug it may not get fixed in wheezy |
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| 18:28.54 | sukaeto | somiaj: fair enough. Thanks for the clarification! |
| 18:29.44 | somiaj | sukaeto: under normal conditions such fixes would filter into testing. But during the freeze, it may not filter -- though with a kernel there is still a chance, I thought the idea of the version scheme 3.2.xx, the .xx was just bug/security fixes |
| 18:30.29 | somiaj | sukaeto: note once wheezy is released, newer kernels will be made via backports, and they will also include the fix (provided the fix was sent upstream) |
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| 18:31.08 | sukaeto | somiaj: yeah, one way or another I've got some options |
| 18:31.20 | sukaeto | I may well just update this machine to jessie |
| 18:31.41 | sukaeto | for now I'll just disable the intel driver and see how the vesa driver works out |
| 18:31.41 | somiaj | sukaeto: I would stay with wheezy and just use backports. For the time being you can probabaly install the sid kernel with no issues |
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| 18:41.00 | jehee | when grepping a group: groupname:x:1001:robert, what does the x stand for? |
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| 18:41.48 | johnfg | Cant figure out how to solve this: Unable to satisfy the build-depends: Build-Depends: cdbs ( 0.4.90~). |
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| 18:42.13 | johnfg | I installed cdbs from backports, but I still get the error. |
| 18:42.39 | dondelelcaro | johnfg: that can't be the real build dependency |
| 18:42.58 | dondelelcaro | johnfg: or if it is, it's wrong. It should be cdbs (>= 0.4.90~) |
| 18:43.09 | calvin_ | jehee: man group |
| 18:43.19 | calvin_ | jehee: http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/46514/in-etc-group-what-is-the-meaning-of-the-second-field but that's a little more complete |
| 18:43.20 | somiaj | jehee: it is the password, or man group |
| 18:43.29 | johnfg | dondelelcaro: Right, don't think my paste worked. So how do I solve that? |
| 18:44.08 | jehee | so the encrypted password is "x"? |
| 18:44.13 | dondelelcaro | johnfg: I don't think that cdbs is actually in backports, though |
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| 18:44.25 | dondelelcaro | johnfg: so you'll have to backport it yourself and make it available. |
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| 18:46.03 | uberushaximus | how do I generate netinst images with livebuild? |
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| 18:47.14 | johnfg | dondelelcaro: yay! |
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| 18:49.03 | nickn | Should each server get an own user? |
| 18:49.08 | nickn | Or only for the root-dropping servers? |
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| 18:51.46 | confusid | What should I look for on howto's that would get me started to make a gui for an application? |
| 18:52.07 | dawud | confusid: qt? gtk? |
| 18:52.31 | dawud | confusid: surely there are others as well |
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| 18:52.39 | confusid | dawud: idk. This will be my first attempt |
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| 18:53.58 | dawud | confusid: then first choose a framework and check the online docs for that |
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| 18:54.41 | confusid | dawud: ty, will read on the 2 and go from there. |
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| 19:04.39 | jehee | is there a way to give a user sudo without entering the sudoers file? From a shell script? |
| 19:05.42 | dondelelcaro | jehee: on a default Debian install, yes. |
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| 19:06.07 | jehee | so I cant add a new user now and type something in the terminal to give him sudo? |
| 19:06.19 | dondelelcaro | jehee: you can just add them to the sudo group, or you can alternatively drop a snippet into /etc/sudoers.d |
| 19:06.35 | dondelelcaro | jehee: or you can pre-create the sudoers file with a different group, and add that user to that group too |
| 19:06.52 | dondelelcaro | jehee: all depends on precisely how you want to configure things |
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| 19:11.56 | Mary__ | Hello, I m new in Debian. I ve changed my operating system today to Debian 6.0.7. During the installation since the autoconfiguration didn`t work properly, I was requested to configure the network manually. Therefore, I preferred leave this section to configure it later from the Debian inside! Now, I have problem to install the wireless network driver. Driver`s name is Realtek rtl8101E. Would you please help me? |
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| 19:14.55 | bw_ | Mary__: you're most likely missing the firmware-realtek package (or firmware-linux / firmware-linux-nonfree) since most wifi drivers need binary firmwareblobs |
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| 19:24.46 | jhambo | Hi All, I'm in the process of replacing a failed drive from a raid 1 array. I do this "sfdisk -d /dev/sda | sfdisk /dev/sdb" and I get an error like http://paste.debian.net/240358/. Any thoughts about what this means. Should I just --force it? |
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| 19:25.29 | gerlos | hello, quick and (hope) easy question: I've got a public samba share on a debian wheezy server, I'd like to run a cron script on it to remove files put there before 24 hours, is there a way to force the modification date on the server? |
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| 19:25.54 | ToApolytoXaos | jhambo, http://sexysexypenguins.com/2007/03/16/sfdisk-my-new-saving-grace/ |
| 19:26.21 | gerlos | at the moment, when I copy a file to that share, it keeps its original modification time (and my script wont' work) |
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| 19:27.18 | ChibaPet | jhambo: Why are you trying to copy off of a failed drive? It seems like you should simply replace the drive and let md resynchronize. |
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| 19:28.07 | ChibaPet | jhambo: If you're trying to copy the drive content from the good drive to the new replacement -- don't! Let MD do it. |
| 19:28.08 | bw_ | gerlos: you're looking for cp -p ? |
| 19:28.58 | jhambo | ChibaPet: I'm not copying off the failed drive. I'm copying the partition table from the good drive to the new drive, which according to all the instructions I've seen is a prerequisite to the md stuff |
| 19:29.22 | gerlos | bw_: no, I'd like to do the opposite of cp -p. When an user copies a file to the samba share, its modification time shoud be set to the time of the copy |
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| 19:29.29 | jhambo | ToApolytoXaos: that link doesn't seem to say anything about the error I'm seeing |
| 19:29.33 | ChibaPet | jhambo: Don't do it that way. Make partitions of the appropriate size, add them into the array. |
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| 19:30.39 | bw_ | gerlos: ahh, now i get it =) |
| 19:30.44 | ChibaPet | jhambo: "man mdadm" and look at "incremental assembly" |
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| 19:30.57 | johnfg | well, mostly all is good. I've got the latest hplip and hplip-gui installed and both work along with the printer, fax, and scanner. |
| 19:31.04 | gerlos | bw_: sorry for the bad explanation |
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| 19:31.34 | johnfg | However, due to changes needed to be made to python-gobject (I think), my gnome desktop is a bit messed up. |
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| 19:31.54 | jhambo | ChibaPet: isn't making partitions of the appropriate size what that sfdisk command does? |
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| 19:32.20 | johnfg | Applications now has just folders rather than the cute icons. |
| 19:33.22 | teh_noob | can anybody please help me make rc.local to do its job as it should flawlessly? i just added a simple line so it runs a script but it doesn't... sometimes runs but it doesnt always which is weird |
| 19:33.45 | ChibaPet | jhambo: Ah, sorry, good point. I was confused about what sfdisk does - I haven't used it before. Sorry! That said, you should be able to do it manually with fdisk or parted as well if sfdisk doesn't end up working for you. |
| 19:33.46 | dondelelcaro | teh_noob: rc.local is just a shell script |
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| 19:33.58 | bw_ | gerlos: sorry no clue tho, i would ask in #samba |
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| 19:35.07 | gerlos | bw_: reading ls man page I though I could use atime instead of mtime in my script... this answers my question! |
| 19:35.36 | teh_noob | dondelelcaro: but it runs while booting i've read i can just go and add lines to it so it points to other .sh scripts and runs them when booting |
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| 19:36.04 | dondelelcaro | teh_noob: yes. |
| 19:36.07 | greycat | teh_noob: the other scripts must be executable, and must have proper shebangs, and you must invoke them with either a relative or absolute pathname |
| 19:36.10 | teh_noob | though i was doing right |
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| 19:36.43 | dondelelcaro | teh_noob: it just gets run by /etc/init.d/rc.local, assuming rc.local is run in whatever runlevel you're in |
| 19:36.49 | jhambo | ChibaPet: looks like the complaint about cylinder boundaries is something from a bygone era and can safely be ignored. I --forced it and the did e.g. mdadm --manage /dev/md0 --add /dev/sdb1 and the drives are synching now. Thanks |
| 19:36.54 | teh_noob | my script is executable and when i run it it works fine |
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| 19:37.05 | greycat | If you need more diagnostics than you're currently getting, use "set -x" in one or more of the scripts. Also consider logging to a file. |
| 19:37.18 | teh_noob | in the rc.local i added the full path |
| 19:37.33 | ChibaPet | jhambo: Good good. |
| 19:37.35 | confusid | is there a way to use apt-get install so instead of /usr being used it would use /usr/local? I just filled my /usr and have a whole lot of space left in /usr/local |
| 19:37.44 | pianino | Hello, I have problem with installing the network driver on Debian 6.0.7. Would you help me please? (I m new at Debian) |
| 19:38.02 | dondelelcaro | confusid: not really. |
| 19:38.03 | greycat | confusid: no. You'd have to make a new partition and move stuff to it. |
| 19:38.21 | dondelelcaro | confusid: if you're using lvm or similar, you might be better off ditching /usr/local and just using it all for /usr |
| 19:38.39 | dondelelcaro | if you're not, you can still do that, it'll just be more involved |
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| 19:38.57 | confusid | i have 350mb in /usr/local But if I put the /usr/local space in /usr I have to create a new partition and reformat it? |
| 19:39.05 | johnfg | Anyone know how to get those icons back? |
| 19:39.08 | confusid | no lvm is used |
| 19:39.11 | jhambo | pianino: !ask |
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| 19:39.40 | pianino | During the installation since the autoconfiguration didn`t work properly, I was requested to configure the network manually. Therefore, I preferred leave this section to configure it later from the Debian inside! Now, I have problem to install the wireless network driver. Driver`s name is Realtek rtl8101E. |
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| 19:40.51 | teh_noob | greycat: proper shebangs? is that the start part of the script?! i know i'm just a noob the script works but yeah maybe it isn't scripted the best way... it runs though |
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| 19:41.02 | greycat | The shebang is the #!/bin/bash (or whatever) line. |
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| 19:41.19 | mtn | pianino: did you try installing the firmware like someone suggested? |
| 19:41.36 | teh_noob | strange thing is that sometimes i get it to run at boot time and sometimes it simply doesn't |
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| 19:42.07 | greycat | "set -x" in the right place might help you see why *and how* it's failing |
| 19:42.17 | teh_noob | greycat: yeah my script doesnt have that rc.local has it |
| 19:42.31 | greycat | Every script should have a shebang line. |
| 19:42.50 | pianino | I tried to download it. and now I have the package firmware-realtek on my pendrive; however, I don`t know what to do with the files in it. I cannot even paste pertinent files into the /firmware/.. folder. |
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| 19:43.17 | greycat | pianino: if it's a .deb package, then use "dpkg -i filename" to install it |
| 19:43.31 | teh_noob | greycat: ok thats i'll add that shebangs and see how it goes |
| 19:43.55 | greycat | If the script uses any bash-specific syntax then use #!/bin/bash and not #!/bin/sh |
| 19:44.13 | greycat | If you aren't sure, go with #!/bin/bash |
| 19:44.23 | teh_noob | ok =) thanks |
| 19:44.39 | teh_noob | it simple automates some simple commands |
| 19:44.59 | confusid | one more question. my /usr/local is 2x the size of /usr. What if I remove items in /usr/local then just "cp -rp /usr/ /usr/local/ " then remount them as the different name? so /usr is the larger of the 2? |
| 19:45.18 | greycat | confusid: Make sure you edit /etc/fstab too. |
| 19:45.32 | confusid | it would just have the /usr/local partition before the /usr/ on the disk. See any issues with that? |
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| 19:45.38 | greycat | No, that's fine. |
| 19:45.46 | confusid | greycat: ty!!!! |
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| 19:45.58 | pianino | in which directory do I need to paste mu deb file to prevent to encounter this error> " Errors were encountered while processing: firmware-realtek_0.28+sqeezel-all.deb" |
| 19:46.02 | confusid | When I move to Wheezy on this lappy I'll reinstall it all :) |
| 19:46.06 | teh_noob | weird thing is sometimes seeing the boot running the script and watching things happen and other times its like the script or even the line i added gets ignored |
| 19:46.11 | greycat | pianino: you have to read what the errors are. |
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| 19:47.20 | teh_noob | lol XD just now booted and ran my script all fine but the last time i booted it didn't |
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| 19:47.32 | pianino | It says > cannot access archive: No such file or directory |
| 19:47.34 | teh_noob | and i did not altered anything |
| 19:47.56 | mtn | pianino: you need to run the command in the same directory with the .deb |
| 19:48.00 | greycat | pianino: did you tab-complete the filename, or did you type it in manually and possibly wrongly? |
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| 19:50.31 | teh_noob | omg.. |
| 19:50.48 | pianino | How can I access to the desktop (the location that my file is into it) when I am in root terminal? |
| 19:51.06 | greycat | cd ~yourusername/Desktop |
| 19:51.07 | teh_noob | greycat: now just added the shebangs to my .sh reboot and it didn't execute |
| 19:51.09 | teh_noob | =/ |
| 19:51.24 | greycat | teh_noob: did you get an error during the boot? How do you know it didn't execute? |
| 19:51.52 | ksuhku | pianino, cd /home/theusersname/Desktop |
| 19:52.14 | teh_noob | greycat: none it like its being ignored cause i'm booting to bash and when it runs i can see it happen |
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| 19:52.34 | pianino | Done! It s been installed! |
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| 19:52.47 | penguin1 | hi |
| 19:52.48 | greycat | teh_noob: Add "set -x" and "exec 2>>/tmp/boot.log" to the rc.local file, before your script(s), and see what gets logged. |
| 19:52.59 | greycat | (without the quotes, of course) |
| 19:53.05 | pianino | Do I need to reboot? |
| 19:53.38 | greycat | Either reboot, or unload and reload the driver module. Rebooting may be simpler. |
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| 19:55.14 | teh_noob | greycat: =) cool thanks.. btw replaced the shebangs bash with sh rebooted and my script got executed again i'll add those things on to rc.local reboot and see.. |
| 19:55.31 | amit^ | can anybody suggest how to block countries with geoiplookup and iptables? |
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| 19:56.06 | donkey | so, is the lxc-debconf template broken in wheezy for a lack of live-debconfig, or is there a fix? currently the template is looking for live-debconfig, which seems to exist only in sid |
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| 19:56.42 | pianino | I restarted my laptop. What should I do now to configure the wireless network? |
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| 19:59.29 | mtn | pianino: start here: http://wiki.debian.org/Network |
| 20:00.27 | teh_noob | greycat: good thing so without any change this time it didn't run when previously did, now .log file is empty maybe i messed up somewhere the file boot.log is there but its empty |
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| 20:01.04 | greycat | If the log file is present but 0 bytes, then there was nothing written to stderr, which would be VERY odd indeed if you had commands after the set -x |
| 20:01.21 | greycat | At the very least, the command following set -x should have been written to the logfile. |
| 20:01.40 | teh_noob | in the rc.local the line before the full path to my script.sh i added set -x exec 2>>/tmp/boot.log |
| 20:02.19 | greycat | if you want them both on the same line, you need a ; after set -x |
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| 20:02.33 | greycat | they are two separate commands, which is why I quoted them separately |
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| 20:02.50 | teh_noob | oh so that's maybe the problem |
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| 20:03.09 | teh_noob | i'll put them in different lines then |
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| 20:06.24 | teh_noob | greycat: ok now it has written to the log file |
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| 20:07.01 | teh_noob | and it says what i typed on to the rc.local |
| 20:07.15 | teh_noob | weird thing is that it did not ran |
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| 20:07.45 | teh_noob | although its there /path/to/myscript.sh |
| 20:07.50 | teh_noob | exit 0 |
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| 20:12.04 | teh_noob | working now |
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| 20:13.25 | teh_noob | 3 times in a row at least XD |
| 20:13.50 | teh_noob | well thanks for the help greycat |
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| 20:15.13 | greycat | If you want to see the behavior of the /path/to/myscript.sh script, you can add set -x in there as well. Or run it with "bash -x /path/to/myscript.sh" from rc.local. |
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| 20:15.43 | greycat | (or "sh -x ..." if you insist on using sh, which may or may not be correct, depending on what the script contains) |
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| 20:15.59 | arthurmaciel | hello! |
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| 20:20.11 | HS^ | hi i try this command: apt-get install php5-dev |
| 20:20.27 | HS^ | and it gives me the error: Failed to fetch http://packages.dotdeb.org/dists/squeeze/php5/binary-amd64/php5-dev_5.3.21-1~dotdeb.0_amd64.deb 4 Not Found |
| 20:20.30 | HS^ | now what? |
| 20:20.59 | somiaj | HS^: sounds like you have dotdeb sources, so you should ask them why packages are not where they should be |
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| 20:21.11 | somiaj | most likely it is because they put new packages there and you did not run an apt-get update |
| 20:21.14 | HS^ | wait i updated and that fixed it |
| 20:21.16 | somiaj | but we do not support dotdeb |
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| 20:21.27 | HS^ | im dumb |
| 20:21.30 | somiaj | on top of that we suggest you do not use dotdeb, their repos are known to cause problems with debian |
| 20:21.36 | somiaj | !dotdeb |
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| 20:21.36 | dpkg | http://dotdeb.org/ is an unofficial package repository with emphasis on the <LAMP> solution stack, unsupported in #debian. To get support, read http://www.dotdeb.org/2012/08/24/how-to-post-useful-bug-reports/ and report any issues to https://github.com/gplessis/dotdeb-php5/issues . Ask me about <dotdeb alternatives>. |
| 20:22.01 | HS^ | hm ok but the official debina packages are out of date |
| 20:22.04 | HS^ | especially mysql |
| 20:22.13 | HS^ | as of 5.5 its a lot faster |
| 20:22.23 | jhutchins_wk | Yeah, 'cause mysql runs COMPLETELY differently now. |
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| 20:22.34 | HS^ | and php-fpm |
| 20:23.04 | HS^ | jhutchins_wk its faster. |
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| 20:23.27 | jhutchins_wk | After all, we want the latest bleeding edge experiments on our production server. So what if it crashes as long is it's not OLD. |
| 20:23.53 | HS^ | .. |
| 20:24.02 | HS^ | 5.5 is not the latest bleeding edge |
| 20:24.18 | HS^ | 5.6 is bleeding edge even though its also released |
| 20:24.21 | greycat | Oh, it's scabbed over now? |
| 20:24.44 | ZitZ | what is the term for the $ or # in the terminal? |
| 20:24.52 | greycat | the prompt, most likely |
| 20:25.33 | ZitZ | i refer to the whole thing (including path) as the prompt, oh well, i guess it's just semantics |
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| 20:26.10 | greycat | oh, if the prompt is larger than that, and you're just referring to a single character at the end of the prompt, then I'm not aware of any special term for that |
| 20:26.59 | ZitZ | yeah, well it's customizable, atleast in zsh when i used it, it used %, so I'd assume there would be a special term for it |
| 20:27.20 | greycat | In bash, you customize the prompt by setting the PS1 variable. |
| 20:27.30 | greycat | (Prompt String 1) |
| 20:28.19 | greycat | In bash, if your PS1 includes '\$' then it'll switch back and forth between $ and # depending on whether you're root or not |
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| 20:29.19 | ZitZ | That's the default, yes, so I guess I'll keep on referring to it as the prompt symbol |
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| 20:31.00 | onward | I think I discovered a bug, do echo --version, do you get version info? |
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| 20:31.56 | greycat | That's not a bug. echo is a legacy command with odd behavior. Don't use it if you need reliable results; use printf in scripts instead. |
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| 20:34.18 | frikinz | /bin/echo vs echo |
| 20:34.23 | frikinz | type -f echo |
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| 20:34.49 | onward | greycat, I was trying to learn C and I picked echo.c because I thought it wouldn't be very hard to read. |
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| 21:09.43 | teh_noob | greycat: it failed again :s |
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| 21:10.07 | teh_noob | the line appears in the log but it didn't run |
| 21:10.16 | greycat | how do you know it didn't run? |
| 21:10.20 | teh_noob | what the hek |
| 21:10.51 | teh_noob | because when it runs i see things happen in cli |
| 21:10.57 | teh_noob | i guess |
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| 21:11.23 | teh_noob | and i guess wrong.. |
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| 21:11.56 | teh_noob | i checked to see it it actualy did what it is supposed to and it did |
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| 21:12.30 | teh_noob | so the weird part is why does sometimes show whats happening in the cli and sometimes doesn't |
| 21:12.33 | teh_noob | :s |
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| 21:15.11 | teh_noob | changes are made so the script actualy ran.. so the problem is why do sometimes shows it happening and other times don't |
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| 21:21.19 | companion | Any one knows about the API of Diaspora? |
| 21:21.30 | companion | for intergration for/from other sites |
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| 21:21.48 | dizzylizzy | https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2013/02/msg00968.html |
| 21:21.49 | dizzylizzy | lol |
| 21:22.15 | dizzylizzy | companion, #diaspora might be of more help |
| 21:22.23 | companion | whoops wrong chan |
| 21:22.25 | companion | sorry dizzylizzy xD |
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| 21:24.57 | teh_noob | greycat: any idea why sometimes it actually shows it running and other times displays nothing like it didn't run (although it did) |
| 21:25.00 | teh_noob | ? |
| 21:26.00 | phunyguy | is there a decent software updater in debian KDE? I keep getting notifications aying that updates are available, but there is nothing associated with the notification. |
| 21:26.08 | phunyguy | saying* |
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| 21:27.55 | phunyguy | in fact I get a notification every time I run apt-get.... |
| 21:28.00 | phunyguy | kind of annoying >< |
| 21:29.47 | companion | phunguy, its called aptitude or apt-get |
| 21:30.02 | phunyguy | companion: thanks for the great answer. |
| 21:30.07 | phunyguy | o.O |
| 21:30.10 | companion | phunguy, sudo apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 21:30.14 | companion | try that |
| 21:30.29 | phunyguy | i meant one that was associated with the notifications that I can just click and go. |
| 21:30.36 | phunyguy | like in Gnome3 |
| 21:30.47 | confusid | is this a correct way to think? dpkg --get-selections > list then after a reinstall dpkg --set-selections < list ?? |
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| 21:31.25 | companion | phunguy, gnome/kde/lxde doesnt matter |
| 21:31.31 | companion | phunguy, you run debian right? |
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| 21:31.41 | phunyguy | companion: I was hoping for something other than apt-get |
| 21:31.45 | jelly-home | confusid: it's one way to replicate a set of installed packages, yes. Read this as well: /msg dpkg aptitude clone |
| 21:31.51 | companion | phunguy, do apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 21:31.55 | companion | that should soulve it |
| 21:31.57 | phunyguy | at a minimum a way to stop the notifications unless they will be useful. |
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| 21:32.48 | phunyguy | companion: let me give you an example, muon in kubuntu. |
| 21:32.49 | companion | phunguy, define your self |
| 21:33.00 | greycat | teh_noob: I have no idea what your script does, or what output it produces, or why. |
| 21:33.01 | confusid | phunyguy: I am looking at reinstalling my laptop to fix my issue with drive space but I am also thinking about going to Wheezy on it. So thinking I should reinstall squeeze with this way then upgrade to wheezy. I'm guessing packages will have different names so installing wheezy then using my file would fail. |
| 21:33.02 | phunyguy | it has a package manager and software updater. |
| 21:33.04 | companion | phunguy, I don't use ubuntu noir cumbuntu |
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| 21:33.30 | greycat | confusid: that's correct |
| 21:33.35 | confusid | ty |
| 21:33.37 | phunyguy | confusid: why are you telling me this? |
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| 21:33.54 | companion | phunguy, what is your problem with apt then? o.0 |
| 21:34.07 | phunyguy | companion: nice to have notifications that mean something |
| 21:34.21 | phunyguy | rather than cluttering my notification area with useless messages |
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| 21:34.27 | confusid | phunyguy: sorry. Hit tab with the wrong name. |
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| 21:34.36 | local | hey all. Anyone can explain to me, what "iface default inet dhcp" is good for in /etc/network/interfaces ? I couldn't find any information about this interface name. |
| 21:34.40 | companion | phunguy, got a screenshot? |
| 21:34.48 | phunyguy | hang on let me apt-get update |
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| 21:35.45 | jelly-home | phunyguy: I _think_ it's /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/99update-notifier that does it, and the respective package owning that file |
| 21:35.59 | companion | phunguy, apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 21:36.10 | phunyguy | http://i.imgur.com/SdOrLi8.png |
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| 21:36.15 | phunyguy | companion: STOP. |
| 21:36.16 | jhutchins_wk | phunyguy: You could create a button that would do that for you. |
| 21:36.17 | phunyguy | lol |
| 21:36.30 | companion | phunguy, your updating your mirrors your not upgrading |
| 21:36.39 | phunyguy | companion: I KNOW THAT |
| 21:36.55 | phunyguy | I dont want the notifications |
| 21:37.00 | phunyguy | regardless if they are available. |
| 21:37.15 | companion | then update your fricking distro |
| 21:37.19 | phunyguy | *sigh* |
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| 21:37.24 | phunyguy | it's one package. |
| 21:37.44 | phunyguy | and its wheezy. |
| 21:38.02 | companion | phunguy, what does that have to mean? |
| 21:38.05 | jhutchins_wk | phunyguy: So you just want to disable notifications? |
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| 21:38.20 | companion | grabs his pentest distro |
| 21:38.31 | phunyguy | jhutchins_wk: back to my original question. Is there a GUI software updater for KDE in Debian. |
| 21:38.44 | companion | phunguy, whats wrong with konsole? |
| 21:38.48 | greycat | aptitude has a GUI, doesn't it? |
| 21:38.53 | phunyguy | simple question and I didn't need the "apt-get smart-alec" answer. |
| 21:38.55 | calvin_ | was just about to say the same thing :) |
| 21:39.07 | calvin_ | it's a great GUI imo |
| 21:39.10 | jelly-home | phunyguy: "no, there's no KDE-specific UI" |
| 21:39.16 | phunyguy | thanks. |
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| 21:39.31 | phunyguy | I know there was one in Gnome3 thats why I asked |
| 21:39.38 | companion | phunguy, may I ask how old you are/ |
| 21:39.47 | phunyguy | companion: it's "phunyguy" |
| 21:39.50 | xeon123 | How can say to run daily the command "updatedb" automatically? |
| 21:40.04 | phunyguy | and I refuse to answer that. |
| 21:40.07 | Nik05 | probably does that already xeon123 |
| 21:40.12 | companion | derp xD |
| 21:40.22 | companion | damn auto complete phunyguy * |
| 21:40.26 | deepy | xeon123: crontab |
| 21:40.39 | companion | phunyguy, alright: 25 / Male / Netherlands |
| 21:40.42 | companion | phunyguy, now you |
| 21:40.47 | companion | wants to cyber with phunyguy |
| 21:40.50 | greycat | xeon123: it should already be in /etc/cron.daily/locate |
| 21:40.51 | phunyguy | this is creepy and offtopic. |
| 21:41.06 | companion | phunyguy, your probably around 16 or 17 years old |
| 21:41.12 | companion | from my gues :P |
| 21:41.14 | phunyguy | ....really? |
| 21:41.28 | ksuhku | how about we discuss debian? |
| 21:41.33 | phunyguy | thanks. |
| 21:41.44 | phunyguy | my age is irrelevant, and you are grossly incorrect. |
| 21:41.45 | companion | ksuhku, thought this was #timeanddate |
| 21:41.46 | jelly-home | companion: keep your comments on the technical side, please |
| 21:41.47 | local | hey all. Anyone can explain to me, what "iface default inet dhcp" is good for in /etc/network/interfaces ? I couldn't find any information about this interface name. |
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| 21:41.55 | companion | alright jelly and ksuhku |
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| 21:44.04 | teh_noob | greycat: well the script is working that i know =P |
| 21:44.49 | teh_noob | greycat: http://pastebin.com/trnpnCzN |
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| 21:46.26 | greycat | teh_noob: I don't see any obvious errors |
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| 21:48.54 | teh_noob | the mystery for me is why sometimes cli shows it happening and sometimes doesn't.. |
| 21:49.09 | greycat | I don't know all the gory details of how rc.local is executed. |
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| 21:49.44 | teh_noob | =) |
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| 21:50.10 | jhutchins_wk | phunyguy: I don't think there's a widget, but you can install synaptic, which is a GUI wrapper to make software management slower and more prone to errors. |
| 21:50.13 | teh_noob | the job is being done.. but its just strange |
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| 21:50.39 | wm4 | how do I make a service not start by default? (lighthttpd in this case) |
| 21:50.42 | teh_noob | theres nothing random about whats happening so XD |
| 21:50.45 | phunyguy | jhutchins_wk: thanks. |
| 21:50.54 | phunyguy | certainly a better answer. |
| 21:51.46 | jhutchins_wk | phunyguy: You might find something here: http://kde-apps.org/ |
| 21:51.54 | phunyguy | thanks |
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| 21:52.38 | greycat | wm4: you could remove its "S" links from /etc/rc2.d/ or whatever run level you're using |
| 21:52.53 | wm4 | manually? |
| 21:53.00 | greycat | I'm sure someone will come up with some weird Debian-specific alternative command though |
| 21:53.00 | wm4 | do I have to do this for each runlevel? |
| 21:53.05 | jelly-home | wm4: it's easier than using update-rc.d |
| 21:53.38 | jelly-home | wm4: /msg dpkg update-rc.d |
| 21:53.44 | wm4 | also, why does debian run services by default? without requiring explictly configuring them? |
| 21:54.05 | greycat | You installed it, so Debian generates a defualt config file and runs it. |
| 21:54.18 | wm4 | why? this is less than helpful and is also a security hazard |
| 21:54.27 | jelly-home | wm4: don't install crap, then |
| 21:54.41 | wm4 | jelly-home: uh what is crap int his case? debian packages? |
| 21:54.48 | wm4 | because it's an official package |
| 21:54.52 | greycat | whichever debian package you installed that you don't want to run |
| 21:54.55 | jelly-home | wm4: that you installed and not plan to use, yes. |
| 21:55.07 | wm4 | jelly-home: oh I plan to use it, for git instaweb |
| 21:55.19 | wm4 | jelly-home: doesn't mean I want to run it on port 80 by default |
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| 21:55.48 | jelly-home | wm4: so change the setting, or uninstall until the time when you're actually going to use it |
| 21:55.50 | wm4 | I think most people are going to install web servers on their desktop not to serve from port 80, but for testing, development, special uses like git instaweb etc. |
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| 21:56.20 | wm4 | and if you do run a server, you want to configure it for sure, and you also want to be sure you don't accidentally run a service just because the package got somehow pulled in |
| 21:56.20 | jelly-home | wm4: I think I use Debian to serve thousands of web sites on port 80. |
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| 21:56.38 | jelly-home | and no, a web server typically won't get "pulled in" |
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| 21:56.56 | greycat | I would guess -- mind you, I am just guessing -- that MOST people who install a web server do actually run it on port 80. |
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| 21:57.04 | wm4 | jelly-home: but someone on another channel had exactly this issue when I discussed debian defaults with him |
| 21:57.18 | DasEi | wm4: running squeeze ? then you could also remove it from upsart |
| 21:57.19 | wm4 | well yeah, but most people won't run a web server without configuring it |
| 21:57.28 | DasEi | *upstart |
| 21:57.33 | jelly-home | DasEi: squeeze does not use upstart by default. |
| 21:57.53 | jelly-home | (no release of Debian does) |
| 21:57.53 | DasEi | jelly-home: I see, thx |
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| 21:58.07 | greycat | What does the default lighthttpd configuration do? Just serve up a single static HTML file that says "It worked"? |
| 21:58.08 | jhutchins_wk | wm4: Since the default from Debian will actually run and serve a web page it makes a little sense for it to run so you can confirm that it's working, then reconfigure it for your own use. |
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| 21:58.27 | ech0s7 | hi all |
| 21:58.32 | ech0s7 | what process changes at startup /etc/resolv.conf ? |
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| 21:58.44 | greycat | ech0s7: typically dhcp-client |
| 21:58.46 | TheWarden | Does anyone know of a good resource to figure out how to do OpenVPN on Debian to authenticate to the Samba 4 active directory domain controller? |
| 21:59.15 | jhutchins_wk | wm4: If you're installing a web server, it's assumed that you either know or are learning enough to make it do what you want it to. |
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| 21:59.19 | wm4 | also "update-rc.d lighttpd stop" does not actually stop it |
| 21:59.20 | greycat | ech0s7: if you want dhcp-client NOT to touch it, edit /etc/dhcp/dhclient.conf and remove the line(s) you don't want |
| 21:59.24 | phunyguy | jhutchins_wk: I am wondering if my removal of gnome3 after a KDE install removed the software updater since it is gnome-based, so I put that back and it seems to work OK. Thanks. |
| 21:59.25 | wm4 | how well does systemd run on debian? |
| 21:59.39 | wm4 | I know it's packaged, but it might be unstable |
| 21:59.40 | jelly-home | TheWarden: is that AD w2003 compatible? Does it offer ldap? |
| 21:59.44 | greycat | ech0s7: (and then bring the interface down and back up, or reboot) |
| 21:59.50 | jhutchins_wk | phunyguy: Glad you got it the way you want it! |
| 21:59.54 | ech0s7 | greycat: i have dhcp and dhcp3 |
| 22:00.02 | thinkerweb | anyone installed nodejs? |
| 22:00.05 | greycat | ech0s7: If you're running squeeze or later, it is /etc/dhcp/ |
| 22:00.15 | TheWarden | jelly-home: well to be honest I'm not overally knowledge in this but it is my understanding that Samba 4 comes with its own built in LDAP |
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| 22:01.03 | jelly-home | TheWarden: you can probably to auth via ldap, then. If openvpn supports pam, pam_ldap can be an option. |
| 22:01.09 | jelly-home | s/to/do/ |
| 22:01.28 | needle | TheWarden: you would need to send openvpn access and authorization request to the samba LDAP |
| 22:01.58 | TheWarden | jelly-home: yeah so I'm trying to figure out do I have to install something for that or is it come with as the whole point of me installing OpenVPN is to allow a remote user to authenticate in and then have them authenticated to the domain to allow them to work remotely like being locally on the network. |
| 22:02.07 | needle | TheWarden: that is how f.e. openradius and LDAP do it, but tbh, i do not know a document that explains that all in one |
| 22:02.21 | greycat | ech0s7: see also http://wiki.debian.org/NewInSqueeze#Upgrade_issues |
| 22:02.31 | ech0s7 | ok thanks greycat |
| 22:02.39 | ech0s7 | i'm using also dnsmasq |
| 22:02.47 | TheWarden | needle: so your saying I would have to do openradius and LDAP? I already have LDAP with Samba 4 built in. |
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| 22:04.11 | needle | TheWarden: no not exactly you could send your access request via PAM to the "proper" database which is in your case SambaLDAP |
| 22:04.27 | needle | you do not need radius for that, i think |
| 22:04.32 | TheWarden | needle: mmm okay, well I'll get OpenVPN installed and then some how figure out how to do that. |
| 22:04.41 | TheWarden | needle: oh really... mmm |
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| 22:06.32 | TheWarden | needle: mm I may need this package, openvpn-auth-ldap |
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| 22:06.52 | thinkerweb | anyone installed nodejs? |
| 22:06.53 | needle | probably yes |
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| 22:14.38 | nkuttler | thinkerweb: http://qa.debian.org/popcon.php?package=nodejs |
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| 22:16.09 | thinkerweb | nkuttler, thx |
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| 22:17.43 | thinkerweb | nkuttler, did you install it? |
| 22:17.53 | nkuttler | thinkerweb: what is your real question? |
| 22:18.03 | thinkerweb | nkuttler, should I just install: http://packages.debian.org/sid/nodejs |
| 22:18.17 | nkuttler | thinkerweb: are you using sid? |
| 22:18.35 | thinkerweb | nkuttler, not sure, I am running stable, I know that |
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| 22:18.48 | nkuttler | thinkerweb: the package is only in unstable |
| 22:18.54 | nkuttler | thinkerweb: and is quite outdated |
| 22:19.07 | thinkerweb | nkuttler, so I should install the tar package from nodejs website then eh? |
| 22:19.20 | chrisr | Is debian more stable than ubuntu, or isn't there much in it? |
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| 22:19.28 | nkuttler | thinkerweb: well it's really up to you. you could backport the sid package as well |
| 22:19.37 | nkuttler | chrisr: yes |
| 22:19.38 | thinkerweb | nkuttler, if I install nodejs, then I can write lesscss code and compile it into regular css inside bash? |
| 22:19.52 | thinkerweb | nkuttler, I'd rather have the latest versions |
| 22:20.01 | nkuttler | thinkerweb: then you should install from source |
| 22:20.10 | ksuhku | chrisr, ubuntu is flaky |
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| 22:20.17 | nkuttler | maybe once wheezy is out we'll get an up to date backport or something.. |
| 22:20.50 | thinkerweb | nkuttler, how do I install it? |
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| 22:21.07 | nkuttler | thinkerweb: have you ever compiled something? |
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| 22:21.13 | chrisr | ksuhku: |
| 22:21.45 | nkuttler | thinkerweb: anyway, it's straight forward. check their install docs, and use some sensible --prefix as to not mess up your debian |
| 22:21.50 | thinkerweb | nkuttler, not many times, sometimes I get a package, and it has an sh file, and I make it executable and run it |
| 22:22.10 | chrisr | ksuhku: My experience with ubuntu isn't great. LIke you say it's flaky. I just want something that will work. Is there a way to tell if it will work with my current laptop? |
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| 22:22.43 | thinkerweb | nkuttler, well, I opened the packaged, and went into bin directory, and I could just run npm from there, I think I'm good to go then |
| 22:23.09 | nkuttler | thinkerweb: ok then |
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| 22:24.23 | ksuhku | chrisr, it's very unlikely debian wouldn't work |
| 22:25.20 | nkuttler | chrisr: hardware support is up to the kernel anyway, and both debian and ubuntu use linux |
| 22:25.36 | nkuttler | chrisr: you might have to install additional firmware though that ubuntu includes by default |
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| 22:27.40 | DasEi | chrisr: maybe that can help : http://linux-laptop.net/ , else google your brand/model +debian, see what you get |
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| 22:28.39 | thinkerweb | nkuttler, thx |
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| 22:30.51 | TheWarden | I've added a repository, now how can I tell apt-get to install a package from a specific repository as the package name is the same in two different repositories? |
| 22:31.35 | keith4_ | TheWarden: look at "apt-cache policy <package>". it will use the highest priority choice |
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| 22:32.22 | TheWarden | keith4_: oh okay, looks like it would install the package I want. |
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| 22:33.19 | nkuttler | thinkerweb: er, which two repositories do you use? |
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| 22:33.28 | nkuttler | TheWarden: er, which two repositories do you use? |
| 22:33.33 | nkuttler | thinkerweb: never mind |
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| 22:35.09 | jhutchins_wk | TheWarden: That doesn't sound like sound Debian packaging policy. |
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| 22:37.26 | DasEi | TheWarden: man apt_preferences for a deeper understanding |
| 22:38.06 | TheWarden | I'm using openvpn debian repository to get OpenVPN 2.3.0 |
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| 22:39.35 | TheWarden | using this https://community.openvpn.net/openvpn/wiki/OpenvpnSoftwareRepos |
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| 22:40.57 | DasEi | TheWarden: in the underlying directories and files under /etc/apt/ you can set the priorities of packets available from different repos, see above man apt_preferences |
| 22:42.06 | curfont | what do you guys use for remote backups, something with compression and incremental updates? |
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| 22:42.11 | rww | duplicity |
| 22:42.34 | rww | bonus: the current stable version (I assume. whatever's on gentoo) works with whatever's in Debian stable |
| 22:42.38 | ech0s7 | How often dhcp-client change /etc/resolv.conf ? |
| 22:42.40 | DasEi | curfont: rsync for own scripts, or unison for a gui |
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| 22:42.48 | curfont | thx |
| 22:43.23 | rww | yeah, I used to use rsync. needed encryption, and doing it manually with rsync+gpg was not simple, so I just moved to a pre-done solution |
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| 22:53.02 | TheWarden | thanks |
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| 22:53.17 | DasEi | ech0s7: I *think once it's bound, never, unless the connection either breaks or is otherwise configured in /etc/dhcp/dhclient.conf |
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| 22:53.59 | teh_noob | been searching for a way of disabling the secondary splash screen that popsup while booting goes in front of cli for some seconds.. but no luck i can only find ways to change it update-alternatives --config xxx |
| 22:54.03 | teh_noob | any tips? |
| 22:55.15 | DasEi | teh_noob: grub let's you do it ,/etc/default/grub |
| 22:56.01 | teh_noob | DasEi: i've edited grub but still i get the secondary splash |
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| 22:56.11 | DasEi | teh_noob: alter the line saying about splash to GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX="" |
| 22:56.30 | teh_noob | done that and updated grub |
| 22:56.44 | teh_noob | i think its playmouth related not grub |
| 22:57.13 | DasEi | plymouth I don't have in use here, so can't say |
| 22:57.37 | teh_noob | yeah =/ |
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| 22:58.36 | teh_noob | i've been googlin but no luck.. i was only able to find ways of changing the image |
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| 22:59.47 | DasEi | teh_noob: though that doesn't answer your question, dmesg let's you see it as do some logs (if enabled) after booting has finished, if you are after a certain event |
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| 23:02.17 | TheWarden | Thanks for the help folks, have a good night. |
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| 23:07.51 | DasEi | teh_noob: sure there is no such thing like quiet splash in your grub ? for usual grub first calls plymouth .. |
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| 23:08.24 | teh_noob | DasEi: by the way i'm using grub from another OS |
| 23:08.40 | DasEi | teh_noob: whole story ? |
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| 23:09.43 | teh_noob | so two OS installed grub menu is fine and its on main OS (ubuntu) so splash screen i want to disable are after grub |
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| 23:10.26 | tharkun | For some reason cups on squeeze just began to display printers as printer@ip from our cups server? how can that be reverted back to printer ? |
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| 23:10.58 | DasEi | teh_noob: modified the wrong grub-config file by chance ? |
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| 23:11.50 | teh_noob | DasEi: i think not |
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| 23:12.59 | teh_noob | i think its not a grub issue cause i got that covered i think |
| 23:13.04 | DasEi | teh_noob: as far as I get it, you installed ubuntu and debian in a dualboot, so the last/later install will handel grub |
| 23:13.04 | teh_noob | =P |
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| 23:14.00 | teh_noob | i know which grub is controlling the boot menu so i'm ok yes? |
| 23:14.18 | DasEi | just an idea, nvm :) |
| 23:14.19 | teh_noob | so thats why i say grub isn't the issue |
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| 23:17.20 | teh_noob | DasEi: "update-alternatives --config xxxx" and then "update-initramfs -u" works for changing the splash.. but i just wish to disable it |
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| 23:19.17 | teh_noob | DasEi: eventhough i did mess with the grub so that's done with |
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| 23:23.12 | DasEi | teh_noob: I'm off to bed soon, or reinstall grub, I haven't my vm's up to co-check, but can remeber ubuntu with plymouth well disabling splash via grub, but I stop now, I'm tired and don't want to bother you |
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| 23:26.13 | teh_noob | ok DasEi good night then =) |
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| 23:41.06 | Tagor | Can someone tell me what this error means? amd64_edac: probe of 0000:00:18.2 failed with error -22 |
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| 23:42.18 | tuvwx | how do i find out why my system crashed after it has rebooted? nothing suspicious in syslog or kern.log. `last` shows 'crashed' |
| 23:42.38 | Towzzer | debian shouldn't reboot when it has a kernel panic |
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| 23:44.09 | Tagor | tuvwx: I'm having the same problem, except the server doesn't reboot automatically |
| 23:44.30 | amit^ | how to delete all characters in a line, after the character '#' , which is in every line? |
| 23:45.07 | tuvwx | Towzzer: it does. 'rebooting in 30 seconds'. still, i'd like to find out what caused the crash after it has rebooted, regardless of what it does when it crashes |
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| 23:45.36 | Towzzer | I don't believe that information is logged |
| 23:45.50 | tuvwx | can it be? |
| 23:45.54 | Towzzer | not sure |
| 23:46.28 | Towzzer | I think since the kernel crashed it won't try to write to a fs |
| 23:46.36 | Towzzer | for safety |
| 23:46.53 | rgwu | amit^: sed 's/#.*$/#/g' < fileInQuestion or something similar |
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| 23:48.19 | amit^ | rgwu: I take back this question |
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| 23:50.04 | biesbjerg | does anyone know of a good way to have paginator order by a value, nulls last? |
| 23:51.10 | biesbjerg | Everything I try seems to break something - right now I've resorted to an ugly hack (IFNULL(field, PHP_INT_MAX)) and then in view I test if field === PHP_INT_MAX ? 'display_something_else' : field |
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| 23:51.20 | biesbjerg | works but is pretty hacky |
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| 23:58.23 | Eino | how much disk space does a fresh windows 7 install need? |
| 23:58.39 | Eino | I'm trying to figure out the space needed for windows 7 + steam + hl2 |
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| 23:59.33 | rucko | Eino: 16 gb minimum IIRC. |
