| 00:01.10 | Sazzo | dfx, have you tried the adapter in a live distro? Did it work there? |
| 00:01.26 | somiaj | dfx: seems like it doesn't like the vendorid or chipsetid it is getting. Sometimes there is a way you can force a driver to assoicate with a paticular chipID -- I have to do that for my dlink usb dongle |
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| 00:03.25 | dfx | Sazzo: noo i didnt test it somiaj how can i do that by crating a rule file |
| 00:04.00 | dfx | under /etc/udev/rules.d ?? somiaj |
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| 00:04.40 | krababbel | I am following this wiki: http://wiki.debian.org/EmDebian/CrossDebootstrap#Generating_cross_images_as_root_user and this command does not work: chroot /armelfs_debian sh -c "cd /dev; ./MAKEDEV ttyS0" Instead it says /bin/sh: 1: ./MAKEDEV: not found |
| 00:04.56 | disarone | Sazzo, you can search bugs.debian for well known bugs affecting wheezy |
| 00:05.11 | disarone | i dont think theres a testing faq |
| 00:05.37 | Sazzo | ok thanks |
| 00:06.08 | somiaj | dfx: can you tell me what module you are using with that card? lsmod should help. |
| 00:06.10 | Sazzo | my main question is do i need to download all three DVD images to install? I have bandwirth and spare DVDs, just wondering. --> http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/amd64/iso-dvd/ |
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| 00:07.16 | dfx | somiaj: here you go http://pastie.org/6425735 |
| 00:08.03 | disarone | nope use netinstall |
| 00:08.07 | disarone | thats enough |
| 00:08.22 | disarone | result is the sameā¦. |
| 00:08.51 | disarone | depends if you want to deply testing to more than one server |
| 00:09.29 | somiaj | dfx: I don't see the correct module loaded. wiki says you are supported by the rt73usb module, what happens if you load that? 'modprobe rt73usb' -- also make sure you have the firmware-ralink package installed from non-free |
| 00:10.59 | dfx | somiaj: yes i do have ralin fw |
| 00:11.34 | somiaj | I want to see the dmesg output after you try to manually load the rt73usb modual |
| 00:12.29 | Sazzo | disarone, ok thanks. :) |
| 00:13.03 | dfx | somiaj: yeh hang on ill plug it now added manually ill let you kno one sec |
| 00:13.22 | somiaj | oh you didn't get me the lsmod output from when it was plugged in, that could explain things |
| 00:14.23 | Essobi | Anyone know how to debug debian-installer when it says... No partitionable media were found. |
| 00:14.47 | somiaj | Essobi: can you see your harddrives in your bios? (first place I would look) |
| 00:14.54 | Essobi | The disk device exists... /dev/sda ... |
| 00:15.20 | Essobi | but the installer says it can't do anything with... not sure how to debug the installer. |
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| 00:15.26 | somiaj | what happens if you just try to cfdisk (that might be available in the limited shell) that disk? |
| 00:15.52 | Essobi | somiaj: I didn't see anything with *disk* in it in the shell but I'll check again |
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| 00:16.45 | somiaj | Essobi: well I was just make sure that your bios was correctly identifying your disks. If you can see /dev/sda are you sure that it is a harddisk and not just your cdrom device? |
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| 00:17.04 | dfx | somiaj: i plug the dongle and heres the lsmod output http://pastie.org/6425800 now i see the rt73usb but the dmesg output remain the same |
| 00:17.11 | Essobi | It's a wee tiny arm box. I'm sure it's not seeing the CD-rom. :D |
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| 00:17.43 | Essobi | Hmm. [ 6.050000] sda: unknown partition table |
| 00:17.56 | Essobi | That's in dmesg.. |
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| 00:18.15 | somiaj | I don't know much about arm, but looks like there is something wrong the disk |
| 00:18.42 | Essobi | Oddly, I dd=/dev/zero of=/dev/sda ... nah the disk is fine.. The "other" linux works fine on it. |
| 00:19.00 | Essobi | I'm not a hardware newb. Just a debian-installer newb. |
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| 00:19.20 | somiaj | is there a partition table on that drive? That seems to me to be more a kernel error than a d-i error |
| 00:19.46 | somiaj | so not sure why the kernel is not liking that drive. |
| 00:20.03 | Essobi | I dded the first 10 megs of the disk to make sure the partition area was wiped, and it still does it.. |
| 00:20.17 | dfx | Essobi: now the partition table its messed up may be you ll have problem formating itor even it may become usesless dont use the dd i commad i messed up my externel hdd last week |
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| 00:20.53 | Essobi | ..... |
| 00:21.05 | somiaj | Essobi: if another linux/kernel see's it just fine does it also complain about the partition table? |
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| 00:21.52 | somiaj | Essobi: it could be something about that disk and the kernel. But that is what the issue seems to me, the kernel is not able to correctly read the drive's parition table, then DI errors out becaue it cannot find partitionable media |
| 00:23.12 | dfx | somiaj: now the mod its loaded but the dmesg output still the same |
| 00:23.55 | somiaj | dfx: well this is what the fix on mine is. My situation was slightly different because your device vendor id/chip id should be in the database. |
| 00:24.44 | somiaj | dfx: but I had to echo "foo bar" > /sys/bus/usb/drivers/rt2800usb/new_id -- of course you should look in rt73usb instead and foo bar is the vendor and product id |
| 00:24.45 | dfx | somiaj: and how can i load the mod automticaly |
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| 00:26.02 | mab | Essobi: where you are booting the installer from? |
| 00:26.08 | somiaj | dfx: but your issue isn't that the chip isn't being detected it is that the module is then rejecting it. |
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| 00:27.27 | dfx | somiaj: ill see in the new_id if it has the same ids as my dongle if not ill put em in |
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| 00:27.44 | smallfoot- | Lots of people are frustrated with Canonical and want to ditch Ubuntu |
| 00:27.55 | mab | Essobi: on my arm box /dev/sda is usb. root FS on microSD is seen as /dev/mmcblk0p2 |
| 00:27.56 | smallfoot- | Are Debian moving in to make Debian more appealing? |
| 00:28.09 | whee | smallfoot-: more appealing how? |
| 00:28.20 | ChibaPet | smallfoot-: Yes. The quality is addictive! |
| 00:28.23 | Essobi | mab: my /dev/sda is a real drive... |
| 00:28.37 | somiaj | smallfoot-: what do you mean? debian is more appealing to me. It just has a different philosophy, more about stability, qualitya nd choice over looks fancy. |
| 00:28.40 | Essobi | mab: it's a marvell fero.. it has sata on the SoC |
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| 00:31.58 | smallfoot- | somiaj, well Debian doesn't have Launchpad, and its icons and stuff looks like shit |
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| 00:32.30 | ChibaPet | smallfoot-: My wife uses Gnome 3 on her Debian box. The icons are gorgeous. |
| 00:32.39 | smallfoot- | ChibaPet, then she must have changed them :p |
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| 00:32.53 | ChibaPet | smallfoot-: Gnome 3, not Gnome 2. |
| 00:32.56 | somiaj | debian gives you the choice to use what ever icons you want. |
| 00:33.05 | somiaj | I dont' even know what the gnome looks like anymore. |
| 00:33.18 | smallfoot- | end-users don't want choice, they want sane defaults and a good out-of-the-box experience |
| 00:33.34 | somiaj | I am an end user, I want choice |
| 00:33.45 | whee | smallfoot-: but my idea of sane is different than yours |
| 00:34.09 | smallfoot- | whee, yeah, it should have modern looking icons from 2010+ not from 1995 |
| 00:34.13 | whee | my good out-of-the-box experience is no X11 and something simple that I don't have to fight |
| 00:34.28 | somiaj | and configurabilty. So don't assume that everyone wants the same thing. Debian is a very attractive distro in lots of ways. But no there wan'st a large sum of money to make it markable. |
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| 00:34.49 | Essobi | Ubuntu is an African word for 'I can't figure out how the hell to configure Debian.' |
| 00:34.55 | smallfoot- | lol |
| 00:34.57 | somiaj | There is always improvemnts in debians look, but it is a very small part of what debian is. |
| 00:35.01 | mab | Essobi: where did you boot the installer from? |
| 00:35.03 | smallfoot- | what is the smallest Debian install? |
| 00:35.07 | Essobi | mab: tftp |
| 00:35.07 | ChibaPet | smallfoot-: It sounds like you'd probably be happier with Ubuntu. Just because you're seeing a lot of folks annoyed with Canonical doesn't mean you have to jump ship too. |
| 00:35.31 | Essobi | mab: u-booting it.. it's basically a sheevaplug in a different box. I've hand built a kernel for it. |
| 00:35.34 | ChibaPet | And for most of the folks who do jump ship, I'm sure many of them will feel right at home with Debian. |
| 00:35.39 | somiaj | smallfoot-: there are other trendy offshoots of debian. Mint seems to have been getting popular by people who want away from ubuntu but dont' want debian. |
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| 00:36.11 | smallfoot- | ChibaPet, yeah, I am using Ubuntu and will probably stick with it for a while, but I am starting to look around, because if Canonical is become opaque and non-transparent and betraying the open source community, then I want alternatives |
| 00:36.46 | smallfoot- | somiaj, what is the trendy offshoots of Debian? is it sid? or sidux? |
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| 00:37.23 | somiaj | smallfoot-: I'm talking about other distros. Sid is debian (it is the debian development version basically) |
| 00:37.42 | somiaj | smallfoot-: I am just saying I see mint be fairly common. cruchbang is another, in either case they are not debian. |
| 00:37.56 | smallfoot- | somiaj, is sid stable? what other distros, aptosid? |
| 00:38.12 | somiaj | sid is not stable, it is called unstable |
| 00:38.33 | smallfoot- | isn't ther stable, unstable, and testing |
| 00:38.35 | somiaj | but I have run sid for 10+ years and find it is a functional operating system, just bugs keep poping up in it |
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| 00:38.44 | mab | Essobi: if you dd'd the disk there is for shure no disklabe left. Don't know if the installer wants it. think so |
| 00:38.44 | ChibaPet | smallfoot-: It makes me gag a little to say it, but if you like Ubuntu but care a lot about freedom, you probably want to look at Trisquel. |
| 00:38.48 | smallfoot- | where stable = boring, unstable = actually stable, and testing = unstable |
| 00:39.04 | somiaj | but even sid won't give you a more elegant feel, it is actually way more free than stable. Not only do you get more choice, you get more bugs and have more things to fix/configure |
| 00:39.15 | smallfoot- | ChibaPet, Trisquel maybe is a bit too extreme |
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| 00:41.36 | mab | Essebi: you could write a new one. does the installer provide fdisk? |
| 00:41.57 | Essobi | mab: i couldn't find one |
| 00:42.03 | Essobi | checked /sbin and /bin |
| 00:42.10 | Essobi | lemme yank it and newfs it in something else |
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| 00:54.43 | Essobi | mab: nope.. didn't help pre-partitioning it |
| 00:54.45 | Essobi | :( |
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| 01:03.10 | mab | Essobi: hmm, msdos partition tables in your kernel config enabled? can you insert a usb stick to see if installer sees it? |
| 01:03.51 | Essobi | mab: ah no sticks here and I don't think I enabled dos. |
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| 01:05.56 | mab | should be CONFIG_MSDOS_PARTITION=y somewhere in the block layer |
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| 01:06.49 | cobber | The Linux mint channel seems to be non existant? |
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| 01:21.05 | Essobi | mab: haha... you'll never believe how I got it to install... |
| 01:22.34 | mab | how? |
| 01:22.50 | Essobi | mab: for whatever reason after it probed... /dev/sda was disappearing... |
| 01:23.00 | Essobi | I hot swapped the drive out and back in |
| 01:23.07 | Essobi | mid-install |
| 01:23.08 | Essobi | :D |
| 01:23.27 | ChibaPet | mknod might also do the right thing for you if you're seeing a weird udev bug, Essobi |
| 01:23.35 | Essobi | that's some ghetto engineering |
| 01:23.48 | mab | the world belongs to brave :) |
| 01:24.02 | Essobi | people are going to laugh their ass off when I docuemnt this |
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| 01:26.21 | mab | Essobi: hope you don't have to hotswap when booting your kernel from the disk |
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| 01:28.59 | Essobi | ahh fsck |
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| 01:29.39 | mab | Essobi: but it booted natively with u-boot and kernel on disk? |
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| 02:01.39 | Woet | I have a software RAID that I assemble with mdadm --assemble /dev/md0 which works, but then I cannot mount it and it does not show up in /proc/mdstat |
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| 02:12.14 | johnfg | hey folks |
| 02:12.35 | ChibaPet | Woet: Defined "works". |
| 02:12.38 | ChibaPet | Define* |
| 02:12.56 | Woet | ChibaPet: no output, but I just did --verbose and it says "busy - skipping" |
| 02:13.04 | johnfg | after I'd backported hplip and hplip-gui, my gnome desktop is pretty much gone, due to some removals. |
| 02:13.06 | Woet | even though none of them are busy and nothing is showing up in lsof |
| 02:13.32 | johnfg | What's the command to get it back, i.e., like a grouping of stuff? |
| 02:13.47 | ChibaPet | Woet: so, you say mdadm --assemble /dev/md0 /dev/sda1 /dev/sdb1 or something like that, and you don't see an error, but it's not in /proc/mdstat? |
| 02:14.08 | Woet | ChibaPet: yes, but I ran --verbose and it gave the error there |
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| 02:14.47 | ChibaPet | johnfg: Perhaps "aptitude install desktop gnome-desktop" |
| 02:15.07 | johnfg | ChibaPet: that looks like it! Thanks man! |
| 02:15.18 | johnfg | I'll at least try it. |
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| 02:15.30 | ChibaPet | Installing those tasks ought to do what you're asking. |
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| 02:15.33 | ChibaPet | Woet: Looking. |
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| 02:17.37 | ChibaPet | Woet: I'm not finding anything terribly instructive searching, and I've not seen that myself. Are these raid parts already built, contain data, etc? Or is this something new you're putting together? |
| 02:17.46 | Woet | yes, all built |
| 02:17.57 | Woet | i see /dev/mapper/ddf_RAID10p2 too |
| 02:18.00 | Woet | not sure what it is |
| 02:19.11 | ChibaPet | Does mdadm --examine /some/part work, where /some/part is /dev/sda1 or whatever you supplied as a component to assemble? |
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| 02:19.42 | Woet | yup ChibaPet, and shows the right info |
| 02:19.50 | johnfg | ChibaPet: I wonder, can I run the command and pipe it into less? The first solution proposed I could see, and answered no. It was going to remove what I just backported. |
| 02:20.11 | johnfg | However, the 2nd solution went off this monitor. |
| 02:20.13 | ChibaPet | johnfg: That could end up being an issue, you know. Just saying. |
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| 02:20.38 | ChibaPet | Um. I'd recommend maybe saying "script" before you run it, which will capture content in a file named typescript. |
| 02:21.02 | ChibaPet | johnfg: script drops you into a shell where the interaction is recorded in typescript |
| 02:21.03 | johnfg | ChibaPet: Ya, I thought it might. mebbe I should just go to xfce4 until wheezy's out. |
| 02:21.06 | ChibaPet | so "exit" when you're done |
| 02:21.23 | johnfg | ChibaPet: sounds good. will do. |
| 02:23.02 | ChibaPet | Woet: My incomplete understanding is that LVM and crypto tools will populate /dev/mapper. I'm not sure why you're seeing the "busy" message. I'm searching, which you've doubtless already done, to no avail. |
| 02:24.16 | ChibaPet | Woet: Your ddf_RAID10p2 seems a bit odd, and it's probably worth tracking down what it is. lvdisplay, see if it's there, perhaps. |
| 02:24.28 | Woet | lvdisplay shows no lvm configured |
| 02:25.30 | johnfg | Anyone know if xfce4 for squeeze would have a conflict with hplip backported from sid? |
| 02:25.50 | johnfg | ChibaPet: I did see that the 2nd solution *might* work. |
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| 02:27.31 | johnfg | where is the desktop selected? In my .xinitrc |
| 02:27.35 | johnfg | ? |
| 02:27.42 | ChibaPet | Woet: What does file /dev/mapper/ddf_RAID10p2 say? |
| 02:27.52 | Woet | ChibaPet: as in? |
| 02:28.05 | ChibaPet | Woet: That might be a hint as to what it is. |
| 02:28.22 | ChibaPet | What does the command "file /dev/mapper/ddf_RAID10p2" say, I should say. |
| 02:29.24 | Woet | only /dev/mapper/ddf_RAID10# and /dev/mapper/ddf_RAID101# exist |
| 02:29.33 | Woet | they both say "block special" |
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| 02:30.48 | johnfg | I can't remember, because I've been using gnome so long, but how can I check to see if I have any other desktops installed? |
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| 02:31.00 | peterrooney | !frankendebian |
| 02:31.00 | dpkg | When you get random packages from random repositories, mix multiple releases of Debian, or mix Debian and derived distributions, you have a mess. There's no way anyone can support this "distribution of Frankenstein" and #debian certainly doesn't want to even try. See if you can convince ##linux to help. |
| 02:31.01 | ChibaPet | Woet: Hrm. So they're not links to something more obviously-named. |
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| 02:31.55 | ChibaPet | johnfg: Using most modern display managers, you get a dropdown. Seems the most reasonable method without finding the list of foo.desktop descriptors. Forgetting, getting a bit tired and fuzzy. |
| 02:32.37 | johnfg | ChibaPet: That I know, but I'm not getting that far, as gdm is lacking some programs. So I can choose nothing. |
| 02:32.40 | ChibaPet | Woet: The only reference to ddf stuff I'm seeing involves the cciss driver, a hardware RAID system for HP hardware I think. |
| 02:32.56 | Woet | it's a dell |
| 02:33.00 | Woet | poweredge r300 |
| 02:33.18 | ChibaPet | johnfg: Ah. Well. If you're adventurous, you could do what I do and just run Openbox by itself. Quite acceptable once you pick a few tools. |
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| 02:33.52 | johnfg | ChibaPet: I run lxde on another box, but...in fact it uses some openbox stuff. |
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| 02:34.34 | ChibaPet | johnfg: I run it out of my .xinitrc. I use LightDM, but since that's new as of Wheezy, you can do mostly the same thing with XDM, with a couple caveats if you need Network Manager and similar. Or you can probably do it through gdm3, which will be friendlier to network-manager. |
| 02:35.17 | johnfg | ChibaPet: I don't use network manager. due to openafs, kerberos, openldap, etc. |
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| 02:35.58 | ChibaPet | johnfg: Try running a plain Openbox, or some other simple or tiling window manager. |
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| 02:36.19 | ChibaPet | Woet: What's your full assemble command? You only noted part of it. I'm drawing a blank, so more information might help. |
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| 02:36.28 | Woet | mdadm --assemble --verbose /dev/md0 |
| 02:36.35 | Woet | also tried mdadm --assemble --verbose --scan |
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| 02:37.15 | ChibaPet | Woet: Ah, that's just it. What components are you wishing to gather into md0? |
| 02:37.26 | ChibaPet | Woet: What disk partitions compose the RAID you're assembling? |
| 02:37.29 | Woet | /dev/sda2 and /dev/sdb2 |
| 02:37.36 | Woet | they're linux autoraid |
| 02:37.41 | Woet | linux raid autodetect |
| 02:38.03 | ChibaPet | Do "mdadm --examine /dev/sda2" and "mdadm --examine /dev/sdb2" show you UUIDs for the finished array that match? |
| 02:38.55 | ChibaPet | The "Array UUID" line from each of those commands ought to give you the same array. If they don't then you're not looking at two pieces of an array, and your problem lies there. |
| 02:39.00 | Woet | yes, same output |
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| 02:39.57 | ChibaPet | So, you should try assembling with "mdadm --assemble /dev/md0 /dev/sda2 /dev/sdb2" |
| 02:40.03 | ChibaPet | If you do, does it work? |
| 02:40.24 | ChibaPet | Also, consider rebooting in case your efforts have gotten your kernel into an unhappy, confused state. It can happen. |
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| 02:40.44 | ChibaPet | And consider trying this stuff from a rescue environment. |
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| 02:41.15 | Skaag | is there a way to read a server's bios event log from linux? |
| 02:42.14 | f2fs | bios log? |
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| 02:42.38 | adh0c | What would the bios be logging? |
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| 02:42.43 | f2fs | do you mean dmesg? |
| 02:43.59 | ChibaPet | Woet: Good luck anyway - I need to head off for a while. |
| 02:44.35 | Woet | ChibaPet; it is all done from a rescue environment |
| 02:44.38 | Woet | that's the weirdness |
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| 02:45.59 | Skaag | It could log stuff like memory problems, chasis intrusion events, maybe power supply problems |
| 02:46.21 | Skaag | the kinda stuff that might not get exposed into the linux kernel by the hardware, without a special driver |
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| 02:46.31 | tekzilla | is there another way to reconnect a PPPoE connection than poff/pon ? |
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| 02:50.17 | Skaag | I have a Tyan Tank GT20 B5211 motherboard, the machine just randomly hangs every few days and I'm trying to understand what's going on |
| 02:50.43 | Skaag | I installed atop with 1 minute resolution, and I can see that the moment it hands, the cpu load is low, and nothing suspicious is happening in the OS |
| 02:50.52 | Skaag | s/hands/hangs/g |
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| 03:02.30 | whee | Skaag: have you run something like memtest? |
| 03:03.00 | dizzylizzy | preferred recovery/repair live medium? |
| 03:03.28 | tjiggi_fo | Skaag, try dmidecode -t 15 or look at man dmidecode |
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| 03:04.50 | Skaag | whee: machine is in another country, I will have to ask a technician who is local to the machine to run that |
| 03:05.31 | dizzylizzy | maybe just the debian install iso |
| 03:05.55 | Skaag | http://pastebin.com/GR6uLZ3i |
| 03:06.03 | Skaag | is that an actual error? |
| 03:06.14 | Skaag | I mean this line: Descriptor 2: Single-bit ECC memory error |
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| 03:06.56 | Skaag | if this is the problem, this is awesome, it means I can deal with it by just replacing the memory |
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| 03:08.59 | tjiggi_fo | Skaag, I doubt it, it seems to be a description of what it finds at that memory address |
| 03:09.56 | tjiggi_fo | no idea how to get to the actual logs without booting into bios |
| 03:11.23 | whee | Skaag: I know redis has a memory test you could try if you want to try something before a real test |
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| 03:14.32 | Skaag | I can't risk getting the machine stuck right now... |
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| 03:16.31 | Skaag | what about item 38, IPMI? It shows me: Interface Type: KCS (Keyboard Control Style) |
| 03:16.40 | Skaag | does this mean I have an IPMI interface on that board? |
| 03:18.07 | tjiggi_fo | Skaag, I don't even know what an IPMI device is. But have/can you run lm-sensors? |
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| 03:19.54 | tjiggi_fo | mmm sounds interesting |
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| 03:22.06 | Towzzer | ipmi is a way to access the system above the os |
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| 03:26.02 | tjiggi_fo | ye, just reading what wiki says about it |
| 03:26.22 | Skaag | checking |
| 03:27.19 | Skaag | lm-sensors is installed. running sensors, however, gives me just the temperatures, voltages, and fan speeds. |
| 03:27.19 | batbrat | Hi! I'm new to this channel. I'm not sure if my question is on topic, so if I'm not, please point me to the correct channel. I was looking for advice on making a functional, but minimal build of linux on an 8GB pendrive for developing programs. I have in mind what packages I want and some idea of what to do. Unfortunately, it seems that I'll have to use 4GB out of 8 as swap, since the RAM on my target machine is 4GB. Does this sound |
| 03:27.29 | Skaag | going to install openipmi and see if I can read it |
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| 03:29.04 | Towzzer | skaag, what are you trying to find out? |
| 03:30.48 | ManoftheSea_ | batbrat: You don't need 4 GB of swap. If you have less, you will be unable to hibernate, but your system can still run. |
| 03:30.59 | Skaag | if this is indeed an indication of a problem with one of my RAM modules: http://pastebin.com/GR6uLZ3i |
| 03:31.19 | ManoftheSea_ | In debian, you can install a minimal build with debootstrap. Reference the man page, looking for "minimal" |
| 03:31.35 | zinx | ManoftheSea_: actually... Linux suspend to swap stuff compresses pages and dumps buffers/cache, so you may still be able to hibernate :/ |
| 03:31.44 | ManoftheSea_ | zinx: oh neat. |
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| 03:32.01 | batbrat | Thank you for the pointer ManoftheSea_ , I'll look up the manpage for debootstrap. I'm glad to hear that I don't need to use that much of the drive for swap. |
| 03:32.04 | ManoftheSea_ | But that'd use a swap file, not a swap partition, right? |
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| 03:32.13 | zinx | ManoftheSea_: you can use either |
| 03:32.47 | Towzzer | skaap, yes if you don't have ecc on the memory |
| 03:32.53 | Towzzer | can you run a single pass memtest? |
| 03:33.04 | batbrat | I'm not sure how much space I should allocate for swap. I'm also concerned about separating out the location where packages will install from root and home. I'm not sure what that partition would be called. Part of the reason I'm doing this is the learning experience |
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| 03:33.36 | batbrat | I'm using a windows box, and I can't really partition and use the primary hard drive, and i have this old pendrive lying around, so I thought I'd pull up my socks and try. |
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| 03:34.01 | ManoftheSea_ | batbrat: if you are planning a system without desktop, I've found < 1GB necessary for / |
| 03:34.35 | zinx | idk about that |
| 03:34.54 | batbrat | I plan to have Fluxbox and using RatPoison or one of the other mouseless window managers |
| 03:35.03 | zinx | my server running squeeze is eating 1.5GB on the read-only portion of / |
| 03:35.07 | ManoftheSea_ | Then, you can make the rest of the stick /var, create directories "/var/local/home", and bind mount to /var |
| 03:35.16 | ManoftheSea_ | er, bind mount to /home |
| 03:35.16 | zinx | which is essentially kernel/system stuff |
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| 03:35.42 | batbrat | So, maybe 3 GB for root alone? |
| 03:35.46 | ManoftheSea_ | Yeah, my laptop has over 8 GB on /, but my VPS has .5 GB |
| 03:35.52 | batbrat | Ah! |
| 03:36.15 | batbrat | I need to go look up what /var is logically used for |
| 03:36.35 | ManoftheSea_ | variable files. Logs, locks. |
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| 03:36.59 | ManoftheSea_ | In Wheezy, /var/run is moved to /run, which is a tmpfs (or can be cleared at each boot) |
| 03:37.19 | Towzzer | I thought there was some agreed upon directory structure for linux |
| 03:37.22 | batbrat | Thanks ManoftheSea_ , zinx |
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| 03:37.26 | ManoftheSea_ | The FHS |
| 03:37.28 | zinx | Towzzer: there is |
| 03:37.36 | ManoftheSea_ | Filesystem Hierarchy Standard |
| 03:37.39 | excalibr | does zsh 5.x already hit debian repo? |
| 03:37.56 | batbrat | I guess I could try something like 3GB for /, 2GB swap and 3GB for home, couldn't I? |
| 03:38.03 | batbrat | Or does that sound somewhat retarded? |
| 03:38.18 | batbrat | Or follow your suggestion and have that last 3GB for /var |
| 03:38.24 | zinx | batbrat: if you don't know, and it's that small, i'd recommend using a single partition |
| 03:38.27 | batbrat | and mount /var/local/home as /home |
| 03:38.28 | excalibr | batbrat: for setup with gui installation? |
| 03:38.34 | ManoftheSea_ | batbrat: I would suggest that you have /var instead of /home |
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| 03:38.54 | batbrat | excalibr, yes. I intend to use fluxbox and one of the mouseless window managers. |
| 03:38.57 | ManoftheSea_ | you wouldn't want /home/var, but /var/local/* makes a bit more sense |
| 03:39.17 | ManoftheSea_ | If you intend to have read-only root. |
| 03:39.23 | batbrat | So, /, /var, swap and mount /var/local/home? ManoftheSea_ ? |
| 03:39.31 | batbrat | zinx: That's somethign to seriously consider |
| 03:39.38 | ManoftheSea_ | That is my suggestion, yes. |
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| 03:40.19 | batbrat | I have two interesting options to consider now. However, I've never heard of read-only root. |
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| 03:40.25 | batbrat | What does this mean effectively? |
| 03:40.47 | TAFB | Can I kill supervisord? it's using up all my memories |
| 03:40.49 | batbrat | zinx, are you suggesting that I don't use a swap partition at all? |
| 03:40.53 | ManoftheSea_ | http://wiki.debian.org/ReadonlyRoot |
| 03:41.04 | batbrat | Thanks for that pointer ManoftheSea_ :) |
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| 03:45.27 | batbrat | zinx: I thought that a swap partition worked better for speed than swap files, so my initial idea was to just have one partition for everything and the rest as swap. THen, I realized that separating out /home was a better idea. |
| 03:46.39 | TAFB | Nobody has any comments on my supervisord question? I've only got 64mb ram, and it eats up like 25 of it :( |
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| 03:47.16 | ManoftheSea | batbrat: on your USB stick, you shouldn't really notice a difference. Your concern would be if the file fills up the space, but it could be tweaked as you want more space for programs. |
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| 03:47.38 | ManoftheSea | TAFB: I'm sorry, I don't know |
| 03:48.00 | TAFB | ok. I might try and killall it, but this machine is in a remote location and not easy to reboot if things go wrong :( |
| 03:48.24 | ManoftheSea | batbrat: given you have an 8GB stick and a 4GB machine... you may just not worry about swap. |
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| 03:49.50 | batbrat | Oh! So no swap would work! I always thought that swap space was critical for performance and ended up allocating a lot of space to it, but no more than 2 * RAM |
| 03:50.14 | batbrat | *Work reasonably well. |
| 03:50.45 | batbrat | I do understand that the swap space gets used to page out unused pages and provide extended virtual memory. |
| 03:50.53 | ManoftheSea | Well, it really depends on your use. |
| 03:51.45 | ManoftheSea | If you try it and you find you need swap, you can add the swap file at that point. |
| 03:52.00 | batbrat | I just plan to use it as a desktop machine, install a few language development tools and libraries and write interesting programs. I can't check out C++ eleven, or play with a new window manager on my box. I'll be trying to develop some OPeGL programs, browse the web |
| 03:52.01 | TAFB | I did it, sudo killall -9 supervisord and it worked, everything seems to still be workin :) |
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| 03:52.24 | TAFB | woot, cut my memory usage in half too :) |
| 03:53.08 | ManoftheSea | My laptop is using 2 of its 8 GB. However, compiling will expand to fill all available memory. |
| 03:53.13 | batbrat | I may want to watch videos on it at some point, but I have no idea if I'll have the space to install all the stuff I need for it. I'm trying to build a minimalistic desktop system to try and learn new programming languages in and also to use programming languages I already know to do interesting stuff. I find that Linux has nice tools for that |
| 03:53.20 | ManoftheSea | (currently using) |
| 03:53.26 | batbrat | Compiling the kernel? |
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| 03:53.30 | ManoftheSea | yeah. |
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| 03:53.34 | ManoftheSea | I'm on 3.8.0 |
| 03:54.03 | batbrat | I see. I have no intention of compiling the kernel at this point. I'll probably invest in a larger pen drive for doing Linux Kernel hacking, if I ever get around to it. |
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| 03:54.24 | batbrat | I do need to install a video driver for my card, but that shouldn't require a full Kernel rebuild |
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| 03:55.15 | ManoftheSea | batbrat: no, it shouldn't. |
| 03:55.27 | batbrat | ManoftheSea: Thanks! I think I'll just try an un-partitioned install and keep my personal data backed up. I guess sometimes the best way to learn is to try things out and in this case, it is probably the best way anyway. |
| 03:55.44 | ManoftheSea | Chapeau! |
| 03:56.01 | batbrat | ManoftheSea, zinx, thanks for the help. I'll be back if I run into something too hairy to sort out I should be fine! |
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| 04:33.05 | johnfg | hey guys. How would I change from gdm to another dm? |
| 04:33.57 | johnfg | I'm just in twm right now, because I can't get gnome to come up. But I just installed lxde. |
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| 04:41.37 | Skaag | can someone tell me if this memory setup might be problematic? |
| 04:41.38 | Skaag | http://pastebin.com/i6mAzx7H |
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| 04:44.13 | dizzylizzy | I don't know much about hardware, but I can't see anything wrong with it |
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| 04:45.17 | dizzylizzy | JohnDoh, do you mean "change from gdm" as in, have a different default desktop manager at startup? |
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| 04:45.31 | Towzzer | skaag, run a memtest |
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| 04:47.44 | dizzylizzy | JohnDoh, if you're using Squeeze I'd recommend slim, if you're on Wheezy, lightdm -- perhaps the links to their respective pages on the wiki would help, scroll down on this page https://wiki.debian.org/DisplayManager |
| 04:47.48 | dizzylizzy | whoops |
| 04:47.52 | dizzylizzy | gosh darn he left no wonder |
| 04:47.59 | dizzylizzy | sorry JohnDoh for pinging you |
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| 04:50.03 | shifty | 1. anyone have experience putting CUPS spool on tmpfs? |
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| 04:51.47 | shifty | 2. my system has very little RAM, so I would prefer it to start swapping out my tmpfs as it starts to grow. perhaps there is a better "filesystem" for me to use? |
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| 04:52.36 | mactimes | Hi everyone. I'm interested in becoming a package maintainer for Debian. Is there anyone who would be interested in tutoring me so that I can get it through the right way, for instance, pointing me what's interesting to read, etc.? I'm currently reading http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/maint-guide/, and it points me in this direction (getting a tutor). |
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| 04:55.31 | shifty | mactimes: becoming a maintainer seems a very daunting/exacting task. I've always settled for sending reports and patches instead of becoming one. |
| 04:55.54 | shifty | mactimes: isn't there a debian-maintainers channel or some such (from memory)?? |
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| 04:56.18 | shifty | ** sorry debian-mentors |
| 04:57.00 | shifty | http://mentors.debian.net/ |
| 04:57.40 | mactimes | shifty I have some time to spare on these tasks, there are some interesting packages which used to be available for Debian which have been removed due to lack of maintainers. I thought I could give some loving back on by helping keep those. |
| 04:58.21 | mactimes | shifty Thanks for the info, btw. |
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| 05:00.08 | dizzylizzy | is there a better way to have "dic" run gnome-dictionary than something like "ln -s /usr/bin/gnome-dictionary /usr/local/bin/dic" |
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| 05:00.52 | shifty | mactimes: go for it! i've got a package or two that I'd like to help along, but the process has always scared me off. but don't let me discourage you. |
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| 05:03.30 | mactimes | shifty Well, I'm in the learning process yet, but if those are simple to maintain, I could take a look and, who knows, try to get started with them. The ones I got to learn seem far too complicated, but, well, I'm not giving up. ;-) |
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| 05:11.05 | danon | Hello World |
| 05:11.24 | dizzylizzy | danon, pong |
| 05:11.55 | danon | dizzylizzy, ping |
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| 05:28.58 | dizzylizzy | I'm having issues with audio right now |
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| 05:30.15 | dizzylizzy | Currently, no sound is made by any applications, nor can I play videos in totem |
| 05:30.30 | dizzylizzy | the applications are registering in the sound preferences dialog for gnome though |
| 05:30.45 | dizzylizzy | and VLC can play videos just fine (still no audio) |
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| 05:32.08 | dizzylizzy | Before I just killed pulseaudio (killall pulseaudio), banshee (for example) would simply idle instead of playing a song. Now it claims it is playing the song, but still no sound |
| 05:32.45 | dizzylizzy | and videos now play in totem, but still no audio |
| 05:32.50 | dizzylizzy | (pulseaudio has resumed) |
| 05:34.29 | dizzylizzy | Oh, I see the problem. My only option for audio output currently is Dummy Output |
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| 05:55.12 | dizzylizzy | Does anybody know of a functioning file tagging system I can use in debian? I'd like to be able to, for example, tag video files with things like "horror", "comedy", "1973", or "spielberg" |
| 05:55.17 | dizzylizzy | for later searching |
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| 05:55.37 | dizzylizzy | I'm not meaning metadata in the video file, I mean with the file browser |
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| 06:21.58 | cihhan_ | Hi all! Unfortunately my mysql stopped starting after reboot and I cannot see mysqld.sock under /var/run/mysqld unless i manually start mysql. What's wrong? |
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| 06:23.58 | kingsley | cihhan_: Have you tried starting mysql on the command line? |
| 06:24.36 | cihhan_ | kingsley: if i run manually it works, but when i reboot the machine, it doesnt -- i need to manually start and that's really a bothering work. |
| 06:25.26 | kingsley | Do you know which script starts mysql when you reboot the machine/ |
| 06:25.35 | kingsley | s/\//?/ |
| 06:25.39 | amit^ | what are the legal aspects of spoofing mac address on a computer? |
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| 06:26.22 | cihhan_ | kingsley: i think i dont know |
| 06:27.08 | kingsley | amit^: I don't know, but it seems to me a good place to start looking would be by searching Google's indices. |
| 06:28.48 | amit^ | kingsley: Yes, thanks. This is not clear on the internet. Probably its best to look up state laws on that matter. |
| 06:29.17 | kingsley | cihhan_: Are the following files on your computer? /etc/init.d/mysql and /etc/mysql/debian-start ? |
| 06:29.37 | cihhan_ | kingsley: /etc/init.d/mysql yes |
| 06:29.48 | cihhan_ | in fact im able to manually start with it |
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| 06:31.49 | kingsley | cihhan_: It seems to me that you could 1.) find the script that's suppose to start mysql and 2.) insert "set -xv" at the top to see where it fails. |
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| 06:32.45 | cihhan_ | kingsley: somehow, the mysql.sock file is not there if i dont manually start mysql |
| 06:32.58 | kingsley | cihhan_: Maybe you could insert "set -xv" at the top of /etc/init.d/mysql to check if it fails early in the boot process. |
| 06:33.19 | cihhan_ | kingsley: will i be just adding this as a ling? |
| 06:33.22 | cihhan_ | line? |
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| 06:33.54 | kingsley | cihhan_: I suppose you might also look for other scripts that start mysql by doing something line ... $ rgrep sql /etc |
| 06:35.38 | kingsley | cihhan_: Insert one new line toward the top of /etc/init.d/mysql that says "set -xv" without the quotes, reboot, watch the console and check /var/log/messages. |
| 06:35.50 | cihhan_ | ok let me check that way |
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| 06:53.12 | mizar_ | i installed debian testing in virtualbox, my host is windows 7, i can't use the drag and drop feature of virtualbox, it is set to host to guest any suggestions? |
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| 07:23.31 | mactimes | mizar_ Try installing guest additions and checking the VirtualBox configs. |
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| 07:29.42 | mizar_ | @mactimes i did install guest additions sharing folders and clipboard works yet drag and drop does not, my de is xfce4 |
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| 07:45.22 | no_gravity | Good Morning from Germany! Is there a good debian distro these days that has wifi out of the box? |
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| 07:54.00 | dizzylizzy | well that was fun |
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| 07:54.59 | dizzylizzy | I usually use GNOME. I installed kde-full, logged out, went into a tty, ran "invoke-rc.d gdm3 stop", ran "dpkg-reconfigure kdm" to set kdm as the default display manager, ran "invoke-rc.d kdm start", logged in... and of course the default is still gnome-session :) |
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| 07:55.59 | dizzylizzy | of course because gdm wasn't initiating it it had trouble unlocking my keyring, and so I decided to just log out... which crashed the system! :) I was left with X's default black-with-white-border X in the middle of my screen, which couldn't move, and no response from C-M-F* |
| 07:56.24 | dizzylizzy | i tapped my power button and it sounded like it was heading into suspend, which upon revival of the system was apparently a full shut down. |
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| 08:19.00 | dogal | when will wheezy be released? |
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| 08:30.51 | dizzylizzy | !wwwbr |
| 08:30.55 | dizzylizzy | is that what it is |
| 08:30.56 | dizzylizzy | hmm |
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| 08:32.05 | _martin | hi, when i use checkinstall -D make install I'll get /usr/bin/checkinstall: line 1780: /usr/bin/sensible-pager: No such file or directory |
| 08:32.14 | _martin | does anyone know how I can fix this? |
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| 08:36.48 | babilen | _martin: You are missing sensible-utils -- but I would strongly recommend to use stow in lieu of checkinstall. See "/msg dpkg stow" and "/msg dpkg stow usage" for details. |
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| 08:37.10 | _martin | thanks |
| 08:37.18 | _martin | i also found this http://www.shellperson.net/change-sensible-editor/ |
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| 08:37.27 | _martin | so if i understand correctly my symlink was missing |
| 08:37.41 | _martin | to the standards config editor |
| 08:37.49 | babilen | _martin: sensible-utils is priority required and should normally be installed. Is there anything special about your system that we should know about or is it simply frugal in the sense of "lean to the point of being unusable" ? ;) |
| 08:38.10 | babilen | dpkg: tell _martin about standard |
| 08:39.30 | _martin | thanks babilen, its a nas with a broken debian install ;) |
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| 08:41.17 | babilen | _martin: But once again: I personally much prefer stow over checkinstall as it is the sensible (heh) solution to the problem of "How do I manage local installations in such a way that I can easily remove them?" |
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| 08:45.01 | _martin | ok :) |
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| 09:15.24 | greenit | hi, is there a command to paste the output of another commandon a pastebin-site built-in? or do i have to install pastebinit? |
| 09:16.28 | calvin_ | use curl? |
| 09:16.42 | calvin_ | http://stackoverflow.com/questions/4013947/how-to-use-pastebin-from-shell-script/4426966#4426966 |
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| 09:18.02 | greenit | calvin_: oh, thx :) |
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| 09:22.05 | dizzylizzy | I have a feeling my powerpc laptop will be running squeeze till the day it dies |
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| 09:24.38 | Alasdairr | dizzylizzy: a powerbook? |
| 09:24.45 | dizzylizzy | iBook G4 |
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| 09:24.59 | dizzylizzy | with such horrible graphics i'd never dream of using gnome-shell on it |
| 09:25.22 | dizzylizzy | i should try a tiling wm or something on it maybe |
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| 09:28.07 | dizzylizzy | I hate my ethernet card :( I should buy a new one, one that doesn't require non-free firmware |
| 09:28.20 | dizzylizzy | The only piece of hardware on my system that requires non-free firmware to function |
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| 09:32.33 | no_gravity | Hello! How can I boot the debian iso from an external hard drive? I tried "dd if=the.iso of=/dev/sdb" but then i cannot boot from the device. |
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| 09:34.34 | krystianm | no_gravity, u need to configure grub on the device |
| 09:34.43 | krystianm | meaning drive |
| 09:34.46 | babilen | no_gravity: Which ISO did you use and is that an USB drive? Are you booting from USB? |
| 09:34.53 | babilen | dpkg: tell no_gravity -about hybrid images |
| 09:35.06 | no_gravity | krystianm: really? i can do it with an usb stick. is an usb hard disk so differen? |
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| 09:35.19 | krystianm | no_gravity https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2/ISOBoot |
| 09:35.21 | no_gravity | babilen: debian 6. yes, its an usb drive. |
| 09:35.26 | babilen | no_gravity: And using dd is just .. well .. suboptimal. simply use "cat the.iso > /dev/sdb" or "cp the.iso /dev/sdb" (much faster) |
| 09:35.52 | no_gravity | babilen: cp is not doing the same as cat and dd. |
| 09:35.57 | babilen | no_gravity: Which image? |
| 09:36.32 | no_gravity | babilen: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.7/multi-arch/iso-cd/debian-6.0.7-amd64-i386-netinst.iso |
| 09:36.55 | no_gravity | babilen: its the one linked from the debian homepage. |
| 09:37.01 | babilen | yeah, that should work just fine (and has been used to install from USB sticks by a lot of different people) |
| 09:37.11 | no_gravity | babilen: its not a stick. its a disk. |
| 09:37.39 | no_gravity | babilen: i did it with a stick and it works. but now i dont have a stick and would like to use an usb hd. |
| 09:37.44 | babilen | I don't think that makes a difference, but then ... that might be wrong. |
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| 09:38.26 | no_gravity | babilen: you think "dd if=...iso of=/dev/sdb" should result in a bootable hd? |
| 09:39.11 | babilen | That would have been my guess, yeah. |
| 09:39.43 | babilen | But then, I never tried that as I always have at least one USB stick or CD blank flying around. |
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| 09:40.48 | babilen | There is also http://www.debian.org/releases/squeeze/amd64/ch04s04.html.en (but you most likely want to read http://www.debian.org/releases/wheezy/amd64/ch05s01.html.en#boot-initrd as it details grub2 too) |
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| 09:42.33 | no_gravity | maybe i will simply waste a cd and do it like it we have 1999. |
| 09:43.39 | Alasdairr | I haven't burned a CD in so many years now |
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| 09:43.50 | Alasdairr | its all iDRAC Enterprise and USB sticks :-) |
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| 09:44.30 | Alasdairr | I did put a DVD into my macbook pro when I replaced the SSD, but I hear they don't supply install media any more so I guess that was the last time I'll be doing that |
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| 10:00.03 | arvind_khadri | Hi, I recently updated openssh-server on squeeze and I see that insserv is not behaving well with it. http://paste.debian.net/240598/ |
| 10:01.21 | babilen | arvind_khadri: Would you mind pasting your /etc/init.d/ssh to http://paste.debian.net ? |
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| 10:05.15 | babilen | arvind_khadri: Is that problematic? |
| 10:05.21 | arvind_khadri | babilen, http://paste.debian.net/240599/ |
| 10:05.30 | arvind_khadri | too huge to paste :) |
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| 10:08.55 | babilen | arvind_khadri: Your version differs from the one we ship. The difference is mostly in whitespace (results in a huge diff), but the actual difference is that the version that is shipped does not have "# Default-Stop: 0 1 6 " but "# Default-Stop: |
| 10:09.23 | arvind_khadri | babilen, I see |
| 10:09.25 | babilen | arvind_khadri: You might want to use the maintainer's version. |
| 10:09.33 | arvind_khadri | babilen, how do I switch to that? |
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| 10:11.51 | babilen | arvind_khadri: "mkdir ~/tmp ; dpkg -x /var/cache/apt/archives/openssh-server_5.5p1-6+squeeze3_amd64.deb ~/tmp/ ; cp ~/tmp/etc/init.d/ssh /etc/init.d/ssh ; rm -r ~/tmp" (assuming you /do not/ have a ~/tmp) |
| 10:12.15 | babilen | dpkg: tell arvind_khadri -about confnew |
| 10:12.23 | arvind_khadri | babilen, thanks :) |
| 10:13.22 | babilen | arvind_khadri: But that might affect other configuration files. Also see "/msg dpkg confmiss" which would require you to delete /etc/init.d/ssh -- I like to be explicit and would probably prefer the first solution as I don't have to rely on something else working. It does exactly what I/you want ... |
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| 10:13.42 | babilen | arvind_khadri: I haven't tested those commands ... they should work, but then ... take it step by step :) |
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| 10:15.19 | arvind_khadri | I see babilen, I will go with the commands you gave, as I understand what you have given me. :) |
| 10:15.36 | babilen | arvind_khadri: Very sensible approach :) |
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| 10:22.36 | arvind_khadri | babilen, http://paste.debian.net/240602/ |
| 10:23.50 | babilen | arvind_khadri: Ok, lets continue: Add "set -x" after "set -e" in the init script and try it again. Might be related to the "extra argument" message |
| 10:24.32 | babilen | Or maybe other parts of your local configuration mess things up. |
| 10:24.54 | babilen | Do you have any options set in /etc/default/ssh? |
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| 10:27.30 | babilen | arvind_khadri: I'll be back later .. happy hunting! |
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| 10:27.47 | arvind_khadri | babilen, thanks, for the help |
| 10:28.43 | arvind_khadri | babilen, I had the argument in /etc/default/ssh :) |
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| 10:32.01 | darsie | How can I view a .tex file properly? |
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| 10:32.58 | Walex | darsie: 'less' is one option :-) otherwise you have to process it with something like 'pdftex' or 'pdflatex' |
| 10:33.06 | violetina | can anyone enlight me on http://pastebin.com/jJfWxu8x , i really having a hard time to figure out debian rc stuff :( |
| 10:33.44 | Walex | violetina: that should not happen, are you using the 'testing' archive? |
| 10:34.23 | violetina | Walex: well its a raspberry pi running raspbmc think it uses weezy or something if i recall right |
| 10:34.43 | violetina | Walex: maybe i'm missing some essential stuff ? |
| 10:35.01 | Walex | violetina: the 'testing' archive has not been released yet and is being debugged. |
| 10:35.33 | Walex | violetina: it seems that the problem is simply that the headers within the RC files are wrong. |
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| 10:36.02 | darsie | Walex: thx. I used texi2pdf. |
| 10:36.02 | Walex | violetina: it is also a very unsurprising set of mistakes. |
| 10:36.33 | violetina | bit crazy question is there any way to change the init system in debian? like make it use openrc ? |
| 10:37.23 | Walex | violetina: depends on which release you are talking about. There are a few 'init' systems since a while ago. I used to use something called 'runinit' iirc |
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| 10:38.37 | Walex | violetina: and in the unreleased 'testing' archive you can find 'upstart' but it is a terrible 'init' system which merges in a single file scripts and metadata, hardcoded. |
| 10:38.38 | violetina | Walex: what is the name of the init system i'm using atm ? |
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| 10:39.29 | Walex | violetina: I suspect it does not have a name as such. It is the traditional 'rc.d' init script sequence with "dependency based boot sequencing" |
| 10:39.34 | violetina | upstart is what ubuntu uses right? |
| 10:39.49 | Walex | violetina: actually I did not split things fine enough. |
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| 10:40.48 | Walex | violetina: the 'init' used by Debian by default is the SysV compatible 'init', with one of various alternative set of runlevel scripts. The runlevel scripts you are using are called 'rc.d' with dependencies |
| 10:41.44 | Walex | violetina: 'upstart' is used by Ubuntu, in part because they don't care much about user configurability, but they care about enforcing specific choices. |
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| 10:42.04 | violetina | yah i disklike ubuntu ;) |
| 10:42.30 | Walex | violetina: Ubuntu is good, but some of the choices they have made are rather Microsoftian. |
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| 10:43.39 | violetina | http://wiki.debian.org/OpenRC << hey this looks promising but not ready to use i guess , might try anyway |
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| 10:46.19 | Walex | violetina: that is a nice system IIRC |
| 10:46.30 | violetina | hmm but maybe i should just learn the debian way instead of trying to migrate to somthing i 'm used to (using gentoo for 10 years but never used any other linux , accept ubuntu to check it out ) |
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| 10:47.02 | Walex | one amusing thing about 'init' RC script sets is that almost nobody actually uses 'inittab's to do that. |
| 10:47.32 | violetina | Walex: yes and i know bonsaikitten is working somehow to get it working on debian , but he said some time ago he has too much other priorities atm :x |
| 10:48.10 | Walex | violetina: my understanding of 'the Debian way' is to use the scripts in '/etc/init.d/' |
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| 10:48.28 | Walex | violetina: my understanding of 'the Debian way' is to use the scripts in '/etc/init.d/' then how they get triggered is something negotiable |
| 10:49.39 | violetina | weird thing is service nfs-server-kernel start just works |
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| 10:50.41 | violetina | i can be silly and make it run like that and for others that seems to fail in a local.start file (not sure if there is such thing in debian either tho) |
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| 10:53.55 | Walex | violetina: local start file is '/etc/rc.local' |
| 10:54.04 | violetina | ty |
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| 10:56.48 | violetina | In order to enable or disable this script just change the execution bits. << so i need chmod a+x it? |
| 10:57.13 | violetina | or just x , i always forget :x |
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| 11:00.43 | jelly-home | violetina: a+x is alright |
| 11:00.51 | jelly-home | or +x, same thing |
| 11:01.57 | violetina | wee seems to work , silly hack but i dont care atm , might look at this later , at least now all services i need are started |
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| 11:02.57 | violetina | ty all |
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| 11:16.21 | Tori_V | hi, i was wondering... how to create custom debian with nothing more than the DVDs... in other words, use the DVDs to start (select window manager/desktop, installed applications (from DVDs), and set like default desktop background), then burn the resutant ISO(s) for to give to friends/family |
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| 11:17.11 | Tori_V | any ideas of how to do so? |
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| 11:17.57 | Tori_V | hi there carly |
| 11:18.12 | Tori_V | how comnvenient.. i happen to like that show... |
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| 11:43.24 | violetina | aww tori is gone , mksquashfs and mkisofs would be what he wants anyway :x |
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| 11:46.08 | babilen | buhman: Don't know, but #debian-www or #debian-mirrors are the correct place to find people who could actually do something about it. (both, naturally, on irc.debian.org (aka irc.oftc.net)) |
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| 11:46.53 | no_gravity | Hello! Its 2013 and my directory browsing still looks like this: cd ..; ls; cd ..; ls; cd something; ls; cd something_else; etc... How are you guys doing it? Any good solution for bash directory browsing these days? |
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| 11:49.10 | violetina | i wonder what is wrong with cd and ls ;) |
| 11:49.16 | babilen | no_gravity: pushd, popd ... but those have been around for ages. I would /love/ a tool that simply offers partial-match autocompletion on /all/ paths/filenames in the system (cached and kept up-to-date with inotify), but I am not sure if something like that exists. |
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| 11:50.05 | violetina | doesnt zsh have that somehow ? |
| 11:50.41 | deveux | babilen: that seems a nice project, may I ask what kind of partial autocompletion would you like? |
| 11:51.04 | deveux | Something akin to non-automatic cdspell? |
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| 11:52.17 | babilen | deveux: mind joining #debian-offtopic? |
| 11:54.06 | babilen | deveux: Well, essentially something like the way ctrl-p and/or command-t plugin work for vim -- more details in "/join #debian-offtopic", but I'll have to leave now anyway. |
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| 11:57.23 | deveux | babilen: sure. No problem I'll leave soon too. |
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| 11:58.02 | hR13 | Hi All, Im having problems with a IBM X3100 M4 server, Its new and when I try to boot it, it strts with "MM kernel Loading" and then something quickly blinks I think it starts with "Las.. something" and then it says "EFI Loading" for about 2-3 min and then reboots too go back to "EFI Loading" for forever... any one with any suggestions? |
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| 11:58.53 | invariant | Is there something like Sikuli which actually works? |
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| 12:03.22 | dmbaturin | Where do I send my source packages for review if I want to contribute it? |
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| 12:16.39 | dawud | invariant: since you don't give details, I can only suggest to take a look at https://xnee.wordpress.com/ ,for example. It's a GNU project. |
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| 12:17.28 | invariant | dawud, Sikuli uses computer vision. |
| 12:17.33 | invariant | dawud, xnee doesn't. |
| 12:17.40 | invariant | dawud, hence, completely not the same. |
| 12:21.11 | dawud | invariant: there's opencv, though I don't know anything about it |
| 12:21.47 | invariant | dawud, the point of Sikuli is that it already does/did that. |
| 12:22.07 | invariant | dawud, please, do not respond to questions about which you don't know anything. |
| 12:22.30 | dawud | invariant: don't worry, will do |
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| 12:23.48 | jelly-home | invariant: please do not put down people trying to read something out of your inadequate questions. |
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| 12:29.41 | hR13 | I found the problem faulty memmory |
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| 12:30.31 | somiaj | is the a binary that does nothing? Basically I can set an enviorment variable to be the webbrowser I want to use, but I want it to be nothing. the program runs the command "$ENVVAR url", so I was thinking of setting $ENVAR to be a binary that does nothing. I thought about using echo, but would rather not echo the url |
| 12:31.18 | abrotman | somiaj: /bin/true ? |
| 12:31.26 | abrotman | or false |
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| 12:32.48 | somiaj | abrotman: thanks, (: |
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| 12:36.20 | Aziroshin | Hello. :o |
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| 12:36.34 | Towzzer | hi |
| 12:37.20 | Aziroshin | I have debian wheezy and am trying to install apache2. I am getting: "failure while writing changes to /etc/group". It breaks at ssl-cert. APT is blocked in its complete entirety and cannot do anything else anymore. |
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| 12:40.18 | nkuttler | !tell Aziroshin about errors |
| 12:40.52 | Aziroshin | It doesn't seem me to be wanting to tell. What would it have been in a nutshell? |
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| 12:41.36 | Aziroshin | I can try to provide a complete pastebin if that's sufficient. |
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| 12:43.00 | Aziroshin | http://dpaste.com/1017189 |
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| 12:43.54 | Aziroshin | Ah, #debian-next |
| 12:44.10 | Aziroshin | I just tried to join, and it autokicked me. |
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| 12:46.21 | nkuttler | Aziroshin: well debian-next is on oftc |
| 12:46.42 | nkuttler | Aziroshin: it's just the postinst script failing.. fix it |
| 12:46.43 | Towzzer | aziroshin, did you do it as root and what are the permissions of /etc/group |
| 12:47.27 | nkuttler | most likely 100 already exists |
| 12:47.35 | Aziroshin | Yes, as root. The permissions are rw,r,r |
| 12:47.45 | nkuttler | it's odd that the postinst script would hardcode a group id.. |
| 12:47.50 | Aziroshin | postinst script. Ill try looking into that, thanks. :) |
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| 12:48.00 | nkuttler | Aziroshin: /var/lib/dpkg/info/package.postinst |
| 12:48.05 | Aziroshin | And, oftc. Of course, my bad. Narrow chat window kinda failing me xD |
| 12:48.58 | nkuttler | Aziroshin: output of apt-cache policy ssl-cert |
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| 12:50.15 | _martin | i want to remove libtasn1 but when i do apt-get remove libtasn1-2 it removes also at exim gnutls-bin libgnutls11 libgnutls11-dev libldap2 libldap2-dev |
| 12:50.15 | _martin | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:50.15 | _martin | <PROTECTED> |
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| 12:51.10 | Aziroshin | I do think the problem lies deeper. It is actually groupadd that fails. |
| 12:51.20 | nkuttler | Aziroshin: obviously |
| 12:51.24 | nkuttler | Aziroshin: output of apt-cache policy ssl-cert |
| 12:51.46 | _martin | should i use dpkg -r instead of apt-get remove Aziroshin ? |
| 12:52.14 | abrotman | try it and see |
| 12:52.21 | nkuttler | _martin: why do you want to remove that lib? |
| 12:53.10 | Aziroshin | abrotman: From my narrow understanding of apt, it takes care of dependencies. I know of no --oneshot method of just plucking something out for apt. |
| 12:53.30 | Aziroshin | http://dpaste.com/1017196 <- apt-cache policy ssl-cert |
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| 12:53.40 | abrotman | Aziroshin: wrong person |
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| 12:54.29 | nkuttler | Aziroshin: that's really bizarre, because my wheezy ssl-cert postinst script doesn't do groupadd anywhere... |
| 12:54.45 | nkuttler | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:54.47 | Aziroshin | Ill post my postinst script |
| 12:55.26 | Aziroshin | And, my bad, it's doing addgroup, not groupadd. |
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| 12:55.56 | Aziroshin | http://dpaste.com/1017200 <- ssl-cert postinst. |
| 12:56.13 | nkuttler | Aziroshin: ah, that makes sense |
| 12:56.27 | nkuttler | Aziroshin: yeah, then the addgroup call seems to fail, from addgroup --quiet --system --force-badname ssl-cert |
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| 12:57.59 | nkuttler | Aziroshin: from man groupadd 10 can't update group file |
| 12:58.09 | nkuttler | Aziroshin: is the filesystem mounted +rw ? |
| 12:58.34 | Aziroshin | I can create files on the same filesystem. |
| 12:58.50 | abrotman | set -x! |
| 12:58.52 | Aziroshin | can it be that the group file is somehow corrupted? Though, I tried with an empty group file and nothin changed. |
| 12:59.07 | Aziroshin | It doesn't have x permissions |
| 12:59.16 | abrotman | the script ... |
| 12:59.23 | nkuttler | Aziroshin: well open it in an editor /etc/group |
| 12:59.34 | nkuttler | abrotman: http://dpaste.com/1017189/ |
| 12:59.47 | Aziroshin | I looked at it in nano, it seems normal |
| 13:00.36 | abrotman | but its not hardcoded |
| 13:00.37 | Aziroshin | And, addgroup fails in general. I just tried "addgroup lala" and it does. |
| 13:00.47 | nkuttler | yeah, it's not |
| 13:00.50 | abrotman | does what? |
| 13:00.53 | Aziroshin | Does fail |
| 13:01.05 | Aziroshin | With the same "failure while writring changes" error |
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| 13:01.24 | abrotman | corrupted fs? |
| 13:01.32 | nkuttler | Aziroshin: you're not using something fancy with ACL, selinux or somesuch? |
| 13:01.43 | Aziroshin | No |
| 13:01.58 | Aziroshin | The file can also be edited by hand just fine. |
| 13:02.22 | abrotman | strace an addgroup |
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| 13:04.40 | brontosaurusrex | a |
| 13:04.57 | Aziroshin | http://dpaste.com/1017207 - found a "wait4(6781, groupadd: failure while writing changes to /etc/group" on line 896 |
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| 13:05.49 | abrotman | Aziroshin: and the perms are? and lsattr? |
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| 13:06.53 | Aziroshin | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 798 Mar 9 14:03 /etc/group |
| 13:07.27 | abrotman | and lsattr? |
| 13:07.50 | Aziroshin | -------------e-- /etc/group |
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| 13:10.49 | nkuttler | Aziroshin: hrm, is that ext4? |
| 13:11.00 | Aziroshin | Yes, it is. |
| 13:11.21 | Aziroshin | As said, manual edits work just fine. |
| 13:11.34 | Aziroshin | It seems quite an esoteric issue. |
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| 13:12.30 | nkuttler | well, yeah.. i don't have an ext4 install so i can't even compare if the e is supposed to be there |
| 13:12.32 | Aziroshin | Oh dear, I just found dpkg's query. |
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| 13:13.15 | Aziroshin | I think I'll try hacknig my way around the problem for now and see whether the next restart fixes it magically. |
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| 13:13.24 | Void | hiiiii |
| 13:13.30 | Aziroshin | Hello. :p |
| 13:13.44 | Aziroshin | Thanks for your vivid assistance, it's greatly appreciated. :) |
| 13:13.53 | nkuttler | Aziroshin: well if you can edit the file you can add the group by hand... but that's certainly not satisfactory |
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| 13:16.18 | Aziroshin | The /etc/group file is mounted into a chroot environment (the problem is outside the environment, on the original file. The environment has nothing to do with it). Who knows, maybe somehow, something messed up on that road. |
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| 13:18.50 | Void | hi, im trying to set up a local server ... i would like to have a static ip for example 192.168.2.x currently my router is assigning it to my computer my question is how do i exclude an ip from dhcp or what should i do to put an static ip to my server ? |
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| 13:19.22 | Towzzer | the best thing to do is on the dhcp server set a range for dynamic assignment |
| 13:19.31 | Towzzer | like 192.168.2.100-200 |
| 13:19.41 | Towzzer | then you can set servers to static ips below 100 |
| 13:20.20 | _martin | nkuttler i want to install my own libtasn1-2 from source |
| 13:20.39 | Void | cool .. then should i put an ip below the range of my router ? |
| 13:20.43 | nkuttler | _martin: well just dpkg -i your package.. |
| 13:20.47 | Towzzer | I don't understand what that means |
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| 13:20.54 | nkuttler | !tell _martin about package recompile |
| 13:21.29 | _martin | nkuttler I cant install my custom libtans1-2 package because its already installed one |
| 13:21.36 | dutchfish | Void, or make an address reservation in your routers setup, if you want it to be within the dhcp-pool's range. |
| 13:21.43 | _martin | thats why i asked, how to remove it without removing the other packages |
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| 13:22.32 | nkuttler | _martin: read the msg the bot just sent you |
| 13:22.59 | nkuttler | _martin: wait, you get an error when you dpkg -i your .deb of that lib? what is the error? |
| 13:23.09 | Void | thank for the help :) |
| 13:23.21 | _martin | i get one moment |
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| 13:24.17 | DrOwl | Hi, i have done a net install of 6.0.7, on to a new pc and am having issues with graphis. My graphics card has mutiple displays but i can not see them in xrander or in the xorg log |
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| 13:25.47 | DrOwl | I have two of the displays adaptors pluged in to monitors, and both are showing the same screen so it would apear the physicals are working |
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| 13:27.23 | nkuttler | DrOwl: you should probably add what kind of card/GPU and which driver you use |
| 13:27.27 | _martin | nkuttler http://pastebin.com/BJeJWCZ4 |
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| 13:27.46 | nkuttler | _martin: no |
| 13:28.02 | nkuttler | !tell _martin about package recompile |
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| 13:28.16 | nkuttler | _martin: read the bot's message, that's how you're supposed to recompile packages |
| 13:28.35 | nkuttler | heh. wait.. |
| 13:29.06 | nkuttler | yeah, check the msg |
| 13:29.53 | DrOwl | nutcase: Yes good point, its an onboard intel lspci reports it as a "Intel Corporation Xeon E3-1200 v2/3rd Gen Core processor Graphics Controller (rev 09) (prog-if 00 [VGA controller])" |
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| 13:30.49 | DrOwl | i have the xserver-xorg-video-intel package installed |
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| 13:31.37 | subthalamus | There seem to be multiple ways to auto-update debian/ubuntu. I know the first answer will be "don't do it" but I'm curious which way makes the most sense |
| 13:31.47 | subthalamus | ? |
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| 13:32.24 | subthalamus | there's cron-apt, unattended-upgrades, and it is built right into apt too apparently |
| 13:32.34 | _martin | nkuttler if i add the deb-src i can only use the provided source from the libtasn1-3.2 package. I want to use my own specific source code |
| 13:33.14 | nkuttler | _martin: anyway. you can use something like equivs |
| 13:33.53 | _martin | I'll try equivs |
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| 13:37.08 | DrOwl | i did a dump to http://paste.debian.net/240624/ |
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| 13:47.24 | KinkyPinkie | hey. I've got squeeze installed, but as I've been told the iso comes with grub which dont support gpt, and that should be why I cant boot. now i got the problem that if i run unetbootin to get netinstall wheezy it prompt me for CD. trying to dd this image i get isolinux bin corrupt or missing. is this really supposed to be that hard? I'm reading on forums and cant make any sort out of anything anymore. please help me, I'm desperate. |
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| 13:50.09 | qoreQyaS | KinkyPinkie: i sortof had the same problem. i though i had to use gpt. it wasnt enabled in bios and i installed windows before debian. windows didnt use gpt but i thought it did. so did the installer. |
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| 13:50.33 | qoreQyaS | after reading and reading i disabled efi in bios and reinstalled the bootloader and everything worked like a charm |
| 13:50.38 | qoreQyaS | is that an option for you? |
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| 13:51.18 | qoreQyaS | sorry i wrote sth wrong. efi was enabled in bios but windows didnt use it. |
| 13:52.06 | jelly-home | KinkyPinkie: as for the wheezu installer, do not use unetbootin but write it directly to stick using eg. http://sf.net/projects/win32diskimager/ |
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| 13:52.50 | KinkyPinkie | jelly-home: why are we linking windows-tools again? |
| 13:52.52 | LordDoskias | hello, so I have added a custom repo to my squeeze installation and have installed 3 packets from it, now how do I tell aptitude to upgrade only those 3 packets only from my custom repo ? |
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| 13:53.08 | jelly-home | KinkyPinkie: or dd! |
| 13:53.35 | pmo | hehe i figured out how easy it was to fully get rid of uefi on a laptop.. all i had to do was to remove windows, disable uefi then install windows back, then install the other distro's :) |
| 13:54.07 | jelly-home | KinkyPinkie: I assumed you used unetbootin because you did not have a native tool |
| 13:54.08 | qoreQyaS | LordDoskias: sudo aptitude safe-upgrade <package1> <package2...> |
| 13:54.12 | pmo | for some reason, on that laptop everything or nothing has to use uefi |
| 13:54.24 | LordDoskias | qoreQyaS, but shouldn't i use -t my=repo-name |
| 13:54.41 | KinkyPinkie | as I said, dd gives me isolinux error bin missing or corrupt. been at this for days now, trying to only reinstall grub from a live usb, now today i figured just reinstalling it all. *sigh* gonna check my bios-settings again, qoreQyaS . |
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| 13:55.22 | qoreQyaS | LordDoskias: as long as the newer versions are in custom-repo you wont need to i guess |
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| 13:55.52 | LordDoskias | but when i do this, it also gives me to update some other packages from this repo such as apache or openssh |
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| 13:56.39 | LordDoskias | for example the way i installed thos packages was: apt-get install -t maverick deluge-common deluged deluge-web i tried substituting install with upgrade but no avail |
| 13:56.54 | LordDoskias | oh, doing install actually upgraded the packages :D |
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| 14:01.13 | qoreQyaS | pmo: thats kinda what i did, the strange thing was i had uefi enabled during windows install but it didnt use it |
| 14:01.20 | qoreQyaS | win7 ultimate 64 that was |
| 14:01.32 | qoreQyaS | LordDeath: i dont really get what your problem is |
| 14:01.35 | pmo | does win7 even have uefi support? |
| 14:01.42 | pmo | wait nvm it does |
| 14:01.54 | pmo | it is win7 i have on it, not win8 sorry lol |
| 14:02.27 | qoreQyaS | i dont know what happened there, but i dont really care any more. everything is nice after deactivating uefi in bios and reinstalling grub |
| 14:02.30 | pmo | before i fixed it, if i disabled uefi i could only boot stuff using uefi.. if i disabled uefi, i could only boot everything else |
| 14:02.40 | pmo | err |
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| 14:02.54 | qoreQyaS | grub-pc that is |
| 14:03.06 | pmo | before i fixed it, if i disabled uefi i could only boot stuff not using uefi.. if i enabled uefi, i could only boot stuff on uefi |
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| 14:03.56 | pmo | i dislike uefi very much.. but everything new has it, lucky us more and more distro's support it |
| 14:04.06 | jelly-home | KinkyPinkie: you didn't perchance dd to the partition instead of the whole device |
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| 14:05.52 | KinkyPinkie | i did dd if=debian.iso of=dev/sdb1 which was the usb location, so i assume that's the device. i used the same to make the squeeze install that worked perfectly. |
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| 14:06.13 | pmo | qoreQyaS: btw just so you know, there is an uefi enabled version of grub :) |
| 14:06.29 | pmo | should we be forced to use uefi in the future |
| 14:08.06 | qoreQyaS | yea, i was trying to use it before disabling uefi in bios |
| 14:08.16 | qoreQyaS | but i wasnt able to boot windows any more. |
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| 14:09.41 | pmo | anyways i like my ivy bridge motherboard.. uefi was disabled per default |
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| 14:16.32 | _ingsoc | I'm curious, does anyone have experience with intel-linux-graphics-installer on Debian (https://01.org/linuxgraphics/downloads/2013/intel-linux-graphics-installer)? |
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| 14:19.51 | nmeum | what dpkg command do I have to invoke in order to stop participating in the popularity contest? |
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| 14:20.54 | nkuttler | nmeum: remove popularity-contest |
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| 14:22.02 | nmeum | nkuttler: dpkg: error: need an action option |
| 14:22.20 | nmeum | ah |
| 14:22.23 | nmeum | --remove ;) |
| 14:23.01 | penguin1 | During a debian upgrade: insserv: warning: script 'additional_ips.sh' missing LSB tags and overrides |
| 14:23.03 | penguin1 | what means this? |
| 14:23.07 | penguin1 | LSB tags? |
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| 14:24.11 | penguin1 | what means this message |
| 14:24.29 | nkuttler | penguin1: http://wiki.debian.org/LSBInitScripts |
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| 14:24.53 | nkuttler | penguin1: it's some configuration stuff |
| 14:25.32 | penguin1 | ah, lsb tags and overrides are used for start sequence |
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| 14:26.41 | nmeum | I have another package manager related question is it possible to list all are installed but not dependencies of any other programs? |
| 14:26.52 | nmeum | like pacman -Qt for dpkg |
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| 14:28.16 | holms | hi, i've got a problem with upgrading libc6 =/ http://serverfault.com/questions/486254/cant-upgrade-libc6 |
| 14:28.27 | holms | tried googling for hours.. nothing |
| 14:28.30 | nkuttler | nmeum: aptitude can probably do that |
| 14:28.54 | nkuttler | nmeum: or apt-get autoremove i guess, though your manager should tell you about orphans. see also deborphan, and maybe debfoster |
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| 14:29.39 | nkuttler | holms: please use paste.debian.net |
| 14:29.55 | holms | ok |
| 14:30.42 | nmeum | nkuttler: I am not looking for orphans. I am looking for something like dpkg --get-selections but without all those libs and shit |
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| 14:33.00 | holms | nkuttler: http://paste.debian.net/240631/ |
| 14:33.32 | ryan000____ | Hi everyone, I have a question about wifi compatibility, seems there is no 802.11ac driver for linux at this time. so linux not compatible with any 802.11ac wifi adapter, am i right? |
| 14:34.13 | nkuttler | nmeum: http://algebraicthunk.net/~dburrows/projects/aptitude/doc/en/ch02s03.html |
| 14:34.41 | nkuttler | nmeum: look for either manually installed or autoinstalled, i don't use aptitude much |
| 14:34.53 | nmeum | holms: export LC_CTYPE="UTF-8" ; export LANG="en_US.UTF-8"? |
| 14:35.27 | nkuttler | holms: ah well the error suggests, You might want to run 'apt-get -f install' to correct these. |
| 14:35.28 | nmeum | nkuttler: will do so - thank you |
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| 14:36.23 | holms | nkuttler: as you can see from that paste, i've already did that |
| 14:36.32 | nkuttler | nmeum: fwiw, !~M ~i should do i think |
| 14:36.33 | nkuttler | holms: ah |
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| 14:37.42 | nkuttler | holms: dpkg -S /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libc-2.13.so ? |
| 14:38.41 | holms | nkuttler: http://paste.debian.net/240632/ |
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| 14:39.41 | nkuttler | holms: um, ls -l /var/lib/dpkg/info/libc* ? |
| 14:40.18 | holms | http://paste.debian.net/240633/ |
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| 14:43.25 | nkuttler | holms: apt-cache policy libc6 ? |
| 14:44.09 | holms | http://paste.debian.net/240634/ |
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| 14:45.51 | nkuttler | holms: i'm not sure what's going on here.. it looks like you installed some multiarch packages and that apt is confused about it.. |
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| 14:47.36 | nkuttler | holms: i guess i'd try to dpkg -i --force-foo the libc6.. but that's neither adivce nor recommended.. |
| 14:47.39 | holms | nkuttler: is it possible some how to leave only amd64? |
| 14:47.58 | nkuttler | holms: not sure how all this multiarch stuff works |
| 14:48.17 | holms | would be nice to get rid of 32bit stuff at all |
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| 14:49.31 | nkuttler | holms: dpkg has a --remove-architecure option |
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| 14:54.01 | holms | would be nice to solve this at least because 30 other people couldn't |
| 14:54.02 | holms | ;D |
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| 14:58.40 | deni | anyone running kernel 3.8.2 on squeeze with lxc? |
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| 15:10.49 | savr | hello I need dnsmasq to startup after openvpn on debian 6. where do I edit the start up? |
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| 15:11.24 | companion | I am getting soft lockup - cpu #1 stuck errors on my Debian box after upgrading the RAM |
| 15:11.28 | companion | how can I fix this? |
| 15:11.56 | Towzzer | possibly unrelated, did you memtest? |
| 15:12.08 | companion | Towzzer, memory is 100% Fine just tested it |
| 15:12.13 | companion | memtest passed |
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| 15:13.03 | savr | hello I need dnsmasq to startup after openvpn on debian 6. where do I edit the start up sequence? /etc/rc.local ? |
| 15:13.08 | companion | I got a stack and call trace of it aswel Towzzer |
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| 15:13.21 | Towzzer | savr, what run level? |
| 15:13.28 | Towzzer | companion, I can't read those |
| 15:13.38 | companion | Towzzer, their from dmesg tho |
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| 15:14.01 | Towzzer | I understand, I just don't know how to interpret other programs stack traces : ) |
| 15:14.14 | savr | Towzzer: don't know... I'm a noob when it comes to startup. I just need openvpn to be started before dnsmasq. |
| 15:14.22 | savr | how do I check? |
| 15:14.33 | Towzzer | type runlevel |
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| 15:16.30 | savr | Towzzer: N 2 |
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| 15:16.40 | Towzzer | go into /etc/rc2.d |
| 15:16.52 | Towzzer | and find the scripts that have the two names you want to re-order |
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| 15:17.36 | Towzzer | make the openvpn lower than the dnsmasq S number |
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| 15:20.38 | savr | Towzzer: thanks |
| 15:20.51 | Towzzer | have a nice day sir |
| 15:21.03 | savr | a tip of my hat to you |
| 15:21.04 | companion | Towzzer, this is the related bug: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=646429 |
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| 15:21.52 | Towzzer | looks like that has been patched |
| 15:22.01 | Towzzer | strange that you are running 2.6.39 |
| 15:22.11 | Towzzer | that's not squeeze or etch |
| 15:22.14 | Towzzer | i mean wheezy |
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| 15:22.34 | companion | Towzzer, 2.6.32-5-amd64 |
| 15:22.37 | companion | thats my current kernel |
| 15:22.38 | savr | Towzzer: hmm it already is lower.... don't know why this guide on the internet told me to add /etc/init.d/dnsmasq restart for this to work.... |
| 15:22.39 | companion | from updates |
| 15:22.40 | Towzzer | right |
| 15:22.54 | Towzzer | savr, that would work because it would restart the service |
| 15:22.55 | companion | I am running squeeze tho |
| 15:23.01 | Towzzer | but as you can see it's running first |
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| 15:23.57 | savr | Towzzer: yeah but it doesn't need to be restarted as it already starts after openvpn... confused... that said I'll test it without the rc.local restart. I think it should work |
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| 15:24.11 | Towzzer | ok dokie |
| 15:24.48 | savr | that said the guide also told me to add some iptables rules like iptables -A FORWARD -s 10.8.0.0/24 -j ACCEPT to rc.local |
| 15:25.00 | savr | and it isn't applying them after restart |
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| 15:25.06 | Towzzer | that's such a strange rule |
| 15:25.33 | savr | it makes openvpn work if I apply them manually |
| 15:25.47 | Towzzer | I guess if openvpn is set to that ip block |
| 15:26.00 | Towzzer | that's the tunnel network I mean |
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| 15:26.42 | savr | yeah |
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| 15:26.59 | savr | Towzzer: could I just add them to the openvpn script? |
| 15:27.09 | savr | as they are only needed for openvpn |
| 15:27.38 | asmodeus | Hi. Just did latest updates on our web server, and now php is not working. When I try to load any php pages, the browser pops up a window offering to save the "phtml" file. Any suggestions? |
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| 15:28.18 | Towzzer | asm- you need to add the handler for php in apache |
| 15:28.24 | Towzzer | savr, http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/445 |
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| 15:29.03 | fnmueller | .v kernel |
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| 15:29.20 | savr | Towzzer: apparently things have changed since 2006 when that was written. |
| 15:29.33 | savr | but adding the commands to the openvpn script should work right? |
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| 15:29.54 | Towzzer | yes |
| 15:30.01 | savr | can add the delete commands to stop vpn |
| 15:30.29 | savr | not sure if that is a good idea as dnsmasq might stuff up if it looses it's IP |
| 15:30.36 | Towzzer | are you using the network-manager? |
| 15:30.44 | Towzzer | I think that can interfere with iptables rules |
| 15:30.55 | Towzzer | asmodeus, did you restart apache after the upgrade? |
| 15:30.56 | savr | Towzzer: isn't that some gnome thing? |
| 15:31.04 | Towzzer | it's a service |
| 15:31.08 | Towzzer | a really annoying service (imo) |
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| 15:31.24 | Towzzer | /etc/init.d/network-manger status maybe |
| 15:31.25 | asmodeus | Towzzer: yes |
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| 15:31.28 | Towzzer | /etc/init.d/network-manager status maybe |
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| 15:31.43 | Towzzer | asmodeus, grep 'php' /etc/init.d/apache2/httpd.conf |
| 15:31.49 | savr | nup |
| 15:31.53 | Towzzer | oh gosh, using redhat is starting to make it hard to remember where things are |
| 15:32.02 | Towzzer | sorry, bad command :D |
| 15:32.06 | savr | only got /etc/init.d/networking |
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| 15:32.24 | asmodeus | Towzzer: nothing |
| 15:32.36 | Towzzer | grep 'php' /etc/apache2/apache2.conf |
| 15:32.47 | Towzzer | sorry, I gave you a crazy command |
| 15:33.19 | asmodeus | Towzzer: still nothing |
| 15:33.35 | savr | Towzzer: would adding the commands to /etc/default/openvpn work? |
| 15:33.50 | Towzzer | a2enmod php5 |
| 15:34.06 | Towzzer | savr, if that is referenced by the init.d script then yes |
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| 15:34.10 | Towzzer | /etc/init.d/openvpn |
| 15:34.56 | savr | it is :D |
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| 15:36.00 | Towzzer | asmodeus, a2enmod php5; service apache2 restart |
| 15:36.05 | asmodeus | Towzzer: .../usr/lib/apache2/modules/libphp5.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 15:36.20 | asmodeus | where would it have gone? |
| 15:36.58 | Towzzer | apt-get --yes install libapache2-mod-php5 |
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| 15:37.37 | asmodeus | got it. |
| 15:37.50 | asmodeus | Towzzer: many thanks. :) |
| 15:37.58 | Towzzer | have a nice day sir |
| 15:38.04 | asmodeus | And to you. |
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| 15:44.20 | penguin1 | can gPxe enhance pxelinux somehow? |
| 15:44.55 | savr | Towzzer: iptables rules worked! still having issues connecting to openvpn which I didn't have before I originally rebooted |
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| 15:51.04 | Towzzer | i can't help you with that |
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| 15:57.07 | linelevel | Hi guys. I'm trying to build mod_wsgi from source on Debian Squeeze (so it uses python2.7, not the default 2.6). But building mod_wsgi depends on the package 'apache-threaded-dev' and when I try to install that (with `sudo apt-get install`) I get a "broken packages" error. Can anyone please help? |
| 15:57.34 | linelevel | 'apache2-threaded-dev', I meant |
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| 15:58.50 | linelevel | Here is the full output: http://pastebin.com/vX4ZxcYm |
| 15:59.35 | dutchfish | linelevel, what ARCH because thats arch dependant see: http://packages.debian.org/sid/libapache2-mod-wsgi |
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| 16:00.20 | linelevel | dutchfish: But I can't install that package, I need to compile mod_wsgi from source |
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| 16:00.44 | dutchfish | linelevel, yes, and for that fullfill the right dependecies. |
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| 16:02.48 | dutchfish | ,check-backport libapache2-mod-wsgi |
| 16:02.49 | judd | Backporting package libapache2-mod-wsgi in sidāsqueeze/i386: all build-dependencies satisfied using squeeze. |
| 16:03.31 | dutchfish | ,version libapache2-mod-wsgi |
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| 16:03.32 | judd | Package: libapache2-mod-wsgi on i386 -- lenny: 2.5-1~lenny1; lenny-backports: 2.8-1~bpo50+1; squeeze: 3.3-2; sid: 3.3-4; wheezy: 3.3-4; experimental: 3.4-1 |
| 16:04.17 | invariant | Can anyone tell me which hard problems Puppet/CFEngine3, etc. solve? E.g. do they do things with more performance in some way? I am talking about the community versions here. |
| 16:05.23 | invariant | I have seen some features which could be implemented in much faster ways than that they have done, which makes me question their ability to solve the parts which are even harder that that. |
| 16:05.35 | linelevel | dutchfish: When I try to ./configure mod_wsgi, it fails with "./configure: line 1877: apxs: command not found". I looked up that error code and found posts saying I need apache2-threaded-dev package.. that's why I thought I need that. |
| 16:05.47 | linelevel | dutchfish: I don't see any dependencies on that page you linked me to which I'm missing though :/ |
| 16:06.40 | dutchfish | linelevel, you sure you are using sid's source? iow `dget -x http://http.debian.net/debian/pool/main/m/mod-wsgi/mod-wsgi_3.3-4.dsc` |
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| 16:07.15 | dutchfish | linelevel, fyi compiles fine on my box |
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| 16:07.47 | linelevel | dutchfish: I downloaded the latest source tarball from Google Code |
| 16:08.24 | dutchfish | linelevel, i suspect thats the expirimental 3.4-1, wouldnt touch that yet if i where you. |
| 16:08.37 | linelevel | No, just 3.4. |
| 16:08.59 | dutchfish | linelevel, it will get easier once the freeze is over and wheezy is released to meet all the dependecies for that. |
| 16:09.00 | linelevel | It's the featured download on code.google.com/p/modwsgi |
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| 16:09.23 | dutchfish | linelevel, use sid one |
| 16:09.31 | linelevel | Okay, trying that now. |
| 16:09.38 | dutchfish | linelevel, gl |
| 16:09.38 | linelevel | That's an older version though, 3.3 |
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| 16:09.43 | dutchfish | yes |
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| 16:10.46 | kaki | is there a distribution similiar to debian but focused on amd64? |
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| 16:12.09 | dutchfish | kaki, debian does X86_64 out of the box and multiarch as well on wheezy |
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| 16:13.28 | linelevel | dutchfish: noob question, but how do I install dget? I'm used to just using aptitude/apt-get. |
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| 16:14.28 | dutchfish | linelevel, devscripts and buildessentials, one of those |
| 16:14.31 | linelevel | dutchfish: My main problem seems to be that 'apache2-threaded-dev' is a "broken package" according to apt-get.. why would it be broken? |
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| 16:15.10 | dutchfish | linelevel, maybe its not from stable? |
| 16:15.32 | dutchfish | linelevel, tried to aptitude reinstall? |
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| 16:17.50 | fr3ax | hi, can anyone help me please? I made a startup script, I copied it to the /etc/init.d/ directory, set chmod 755, run update-rc.d script.sh defaults, but after reboot, script wasnt executed... where a made a mistake please? I have Debian Squeeze... |
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| 16:19.34 | linelevel | dutchfish: It's not currently installed actually, so I'm not sure which package (one if its dependencies, I believe) is being reported as broken by apt-get. I tried running aptitude but it's unhelpful.. it keeps suggesting keeping the thing I'm trying to install uninstalled as a solution. |
| 16:19.44 | linelevel | and when I reject that solution it proposes installing it from backports |
| 16:20.08 | dutchfish | linelevel, can you pastebin that? |
| 16:20.17 | linelevel | dutchfish: apt-get or aptitude? |
| 16:20.38 | linelevel | I'll paste both. |
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| 16:20.54 | dutchfish | linelevel, `aptitude update && aptitude safe-upgrade` |
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| 16:21.29 | linelevel | dutchfish: I already ran `sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade` a few minutes ago when this problem started.. still want me to run those again? |
| 16:21.53 | dutchfish | linelevel, nah, those are fine too, if you have them still |
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| 16:23.56 | linelevel | dutchfish: One sec.. first, here's the output of the installation attempts using apt-get and aptitude: http://pastebin.com/FSzqj7kv |
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| 16:25.15 | dutchfish | linelevel, looks like you have backports already installed that may cause this |
| 16:25.39 | linelevel | Here's the update/upgrade: http://pastebin.com/S80N6Vkm |
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| 16:25.49 | dutchfish | linelevel, either update all dependecies back to stable ones, or use all from backports for the compile. I recommend the first method. |
| 16:26.20 | dutchfish | linelevel, yup, the lather confirms my suspect |
| 16:26.29 | linelevel | dutchfish: How do I go about that? I don't think I have any repos other than stable & contrib in my `sources.list` |
| 16:26.47 | dutchfish | linelevel, by reinstalling them with normal stansas from stable |
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| 16:27.05 | dutchfish | linelevel, no need to alter sources.list |
| 16:27.22 | dutchfish | linelevel, because you probably have more installed form backports already |
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| 16:27.47 | dutchfish | linelevel, only the dev packages for this compile needs to be fixed |
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| 16:28.05 | linelevel | So how do I know which package(s) that is? |
| 16:28.33 | linelevel | I see the list of backports in my last pastebin, but have no idea which one is relevant to this compilation. |
| 16:28.41 | dutchfish | linelevel, dpkg -l | grep foo is your friend | compare that to aptitude show foo output |
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| 16:29.01 | dutchfish | linelevel, for each and every dependecy |
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| 16:30.13 | dutchfish | linelevel, once you have dget the sid source you also may check out the deps for the build as guide for this |
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| 16:31.23 | dutchfish | linelevel, ie dpkg-checkbuilddeps |
| 16:33.27 | linelevel | How do I find the control file to pass to dpkg-checkbuilddeps? |
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| 16:35.14 | dutchfish | linelevel, either run that within the root of you build tree or point it to the one in the debian dir |
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| 16:35.28 | dutchfish | linelevel, man dpkg-checkbuilddeps |
| 16:36.36 | linelevel | but once I resolve these backport issues I should be able to install apache2-threaded-dev and then use the Google Code source (v3.4), right? Or is there still a reason for me to use the older source? |
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| 16:36.56 | thunder1212 | what is debian current? |
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| 16:37.43 | dutchfish | linelevel, at least the one from sid does build and can be trusted to degree as far as SID goes, with upstream sources you are on your own to build the source-package yourself. |
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| 16:38.20 | dutchfish | linelevel, for the lather check the debian new maintainers guide how to do that |
| 16:38.24 | linelevel | dutchfish: I ran dpkg-checkbuilddeps on sid's source. The only unmet dependency is apache2-threaded-dev |
| 16:38.39 | dutchfish | right, go fix that one as explained |
| 16:40.02 | thunder1212 | what is the difference between debain current and stabel? |
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| 16:40.24 | linelevel | dutchfish: sorry for being dense.. can you explain again? I run `sudo aptitude show apache2-threaded-dev`, and what info do I use from that? |
| 16:40.45 | dvs | thunder1212: there is no debian current |
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| 16:40.57 | proby | hi , gnome3.4 is not responding to my key shortcuts , how to solve this ? |
| 16:40.58 | thunder1212 | ok |
| 16:41.02 | dutchfish | lineasiest way, just purge the one you have and reinstall it from stable |
| 16:41.18 | dutchfish | oops i ment linelevel |
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| 16:42.42 | dutchfish | linelevel, something like aptitude purge apache2-threaded-dev && aptitude install apache2-threaded-dev |
| 16:42.47 | mtn | proby: are you using system settings to set your shortcuts. do any of them work? |
| 16:43.33 | L8D | Hello...I want to install dropbox, but when I try to install all the libraries for it, after the apt-get 'Do you want to continure [Y/n]?', it either hangs at |
| 16:43.42 | proby | mtn , none of them |
| 16:44.05 | mtn | proby: well, I don't have any idea, mine work fine. are you running wheezy? |
| 16:44.07 | linelevel | dutchfish: okay, so I `apache2-threaded-dev` depends on `libaprutil1-dev`, which depends on `libpq-dev`, which depends on `libpq-5`... and that last one I have an old version of (the previous ones are not installed).. could that be causing this whole problem? |
| 16:44.15 | proby | mtn , yes |
| 16:44.25 | mtn | proby: clean install? |
| 16:44.28 | linelevel | `libpq5`, rather |
| 16:44.37 | proby | clean upgrade ;) mtn |
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| 16:44.43 | L8D | 6%, or goes to a "Media change: please insert the disc labeled \'Debian GNU/Linux 6.0.7 _Squeeze_ - Official i386 CD Binar7-1 in the drive \'/media/cdrom\' and press enter\'' |
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| 16:44.53 | mtn | proby: I would guess something went wrong during the upgrade. |
| 16:45.38 | proby | wat i do hate that there is no way to troubleshot this ! |
| 16:45.47 | mtn | proby: you could try maing a new user and see if it works there. |
| 16:45.51 | linelevel | dutchfish: Is it possible that purging `libpq5` and reinstalling it will screw up my postgres dbs on this server? Is that something I should be worried about? |
| 16:45.51 | mtn | making, that is |
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| 16:46.34 | L8D | Anyone? |
| 16:47.04 | mtn | L8D: messed up source list? only cd's listed in source list? |
| 16:47.10 | dutchfish | linelevel, use the simulate option as explained in the manpage to find out (dry run) |
| 16:47.18 | L8D | How do I fix/update that? |
| 16:47.30 | L8D | It is trying to install x11... |
| 16:47.36 | mtn | L8D: look at it and see what you have, first |
| 16:47.43 | linelevel | dutchfish: Wait.. it actually looks like I have a newer version of libpq5 than the one it requires. I have 9.1.x, it requires 8.4.x |
| 16:48.05 | dutchfish | linelevel, for the bin or dev package? |
| 16:48.18 | linelevel | dutchfish: `libpq5` package |
| 16:48.21 | linelevel | so bin |
| 16:48.23 | linelevel | I think |
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| 16:48.47 | dutchfish | linelevel, might turn out that the newer dev package also works for this |
| 16:48.51 | linelevel | `libpq-dev` (not yet installed) depends on that |
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| 16:49.19 | linelevel | dutchfish: Then I have no idea where to go from here.. that's the only discrepancy I can find in the dependency tree. |
| 16:49.46 | dutchfish | linelevel, again check the build-deps, if it says > then (newer then) the newer dev package might work as well |
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| 16:49.47 | L8D | Yeah...It was first on the sources list...Just commented it out and now it works fine. |
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| 16:49.55 | mtn | L8D: good deal |
| 16:49.56 | L8D | Thanks |
| 16:49.57 | proby | mnt , it works with the new user |
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| 16:50.06 | linelevel | dutchfish: I tried purging and reinstalling `apache2-threaded-dev` as you said, but aptitude just recommends leaving everything uninstalled to "resolve these dependencies" :/ |
| 16:50.17 | mtn | proby: so, you have some left over configs in your user that is interfering with gnome3 |
| 16:50.30 | dutchfish | linelevel, can you pastebin that output? |
| 16:50.31 | mtn | proby: that is why I like clean installs :) |
| 16:50.39 | damarusama | hi there, how can I see the source of a packages? I have multiple source and I think one is not a good one |
| 16:51.03 | proby | okey , so i will make a little comparison between the accounts and fix the things :p |
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| 16:51.20 | dutchfish | linelevel, btw welcome to dependecy hell, once you start mixing releases ;) |
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| 16:51.29 | zykotick9 | damarusama: "apt-cache policy foo" |
| 16:51.38 | damarusama | thanks |
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| 16:52.58 | linelevel | dutchfish: Okay, here's all the options it gives me when I just keep hitting 'n' to its suggestions: http://pastebin.com/yU7Zxyya |
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| 16:53.30 | damarusama | my libc6-dev are creating a problem |
| 16:53.33 | linelevel | dutchfish: yeah, I didn't mean to mix releases.. someone else set this server up initially and I wasn't even aware there were backports until just now. |
| 16:53.47 | damarusama | libc6-dev : Depends: libc6 (= 2.13-38) but 2.13-37 is installed |
| 16:54.23 | dutchfish | linelevel, choose the 2nd option ie libpq-dev [9.1.7-1~bpo60+1 (squeeze-backports)] |
| 16:54.34 | linelevel | dutchfish: What I don't get is why the backport has a higher version number than the stable version. |
| 16:54.48 | dutchfish | linelevel, thats why they are bpo |
| 16:54.50 | linelevel | err, I do get it, nevermind |
| 16:54.59 | linelevel | :) |
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| 16:55.45 | linelevel | okay, now let me try to build mod_wsgi... |
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| 17:00.38 | deb | anyone had a problem with the following setup? : motherboard : 890FXA-GD70 && processor : AMD FX(tm)-8150 Eight-Core Processor && video card : Radeon HD 5700 Series && kernel : 2.6.32-5-amd64, my computer crash periodically (uptime lasted 6 days before crash) usually, just the gui crash and I can still log in with ssh to restart gdm3 but today it was the whole system :: Important information : I changed my processor lately from a phenom II to the current one, I |
| 17:00.39 | deb | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:01.21 | deb | PS: there is absolutely nothing in the logs |
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| 17:03.47 | damarusama | I am worried to do a apt-get upgrade -f for this package |
| 17:03.49 | damarusama | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=626450 |
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| 17:03.55 | damarusama | sry wrong link |
| 17:04.00 | damarusama | libc6-dev : Depends: libc6 (= 2.13-38) but 2.13-37 is installed |
| 17:04.04 | fast | ciao |
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| 17:04.31 | ToApolytoXaos | greetings everyone. i would like to use a fake domain name for local use so i can use it within a local network. i have followed the examples from http://debian-handbook.info/browse/wheezy/sect.http-web-server.html and it's not working. is there anything else i should do in order to make it work? |
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| 17:05.59 | deb | ToApolytoXaos : did you put the entry in /etc/hosts ? |
| 17:06.16 | ToApolytoXaos | the fake domain you mean? |
| 17:06.17 | ToApolytoXaos | no |
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| 17:07.18 | deb | put the entry there and make it point to the "domain" that you want to reach 127.0.0.1 if it is on the same machine or the private ip if it is on a different machine |
| 17:07.52 | deb | then, ping the fake domain and it should return the correct ip |
| 17:08.03 | ToApolytoXaos | before i do this, why apache is complaining about this "NameVirtualHost *:80 has no VirtualHosts" upon reload? |
| 17:08.07 | linelevel | dutchfish: well I was finally able to compile mod_wsgi (thank you so much for the help), but apache still fails configtest due to failure to import a std lib module... so it may still be running an older version of python, I'm not sure how to tell. |
| 17:08.18 | linelevel | dutchfish: Now it's a python problem it seems, in any case. |
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| 17:08.22 | Agiofws | hello |
| 17:08.27 | Agiofws | anyone here xchat ? |
| 17:08.34 | deb | xchat! |
| 17:08.53 | dutchfish | linelevel, mm... ok |
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| 17:09.09 | Agiofws | anyone ? |
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| 17:09.32 | deb | ToApolytoXaos : check your httpd.conf before to make sure your site is listening on "fake domain name" |
| 17:09.48 | deb | <Agiofws> : me |
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| 17:10.11 | fast | ciao |
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| 17:10.16 | fast | list |
| 17:10.20 | Agiofws | hey deb how do i get xhcat to open links in chrome and not in firefox or iceweasel ? |
| 17:10.21 | ToApolytoXaos | deb: in /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/ is the 000-default file, but on the manual i have pasted here, it tells the user to create a new file based on the fake domain. also, i don't have a file named httpd.conf, but i have apache2.conf |
| 17:10.27 | dutchfish | linelevel, 2 more thoughts on this all. Try to avoid building stuff on the same machine as you run it on. i use separate machines to build and test stuf before the .deb goes to the production machine. Secondly, rem that all that comes from sid or upstream does not get security support as stable has. |
| 17:10.39 | deb | <linelevel> : python -V |
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| 17:11.16 | somiaj | Agiofws: Check the xchat documentation on how to configure the browser it uses. I don't know xchat that well, and you may find #xchat more useful |
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| 17:11.38 | ToApolytoXaos | Agiofws, this has nothing to do with xchat but rather with the desktop environment you are using. |
| 17:11.43 | deb | <ToApolytoXaos> : you can define it in apache2.conf or best practice create the file .conf after the name of your fake domain |
| 17:12.09 | deb | <ToApolytoXaos> : fakedomain.conf is included by apache2.conf |
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| 17:12.17 | ToApolytoXaos | deb: i have created it as "localhost.mydomain.org" |
| 17:12.19 | Agiofws | ToApolytoXaos, i'm on gnome3.4 i think |
| 17:12.51 | deb | is the web server running on the same machine? |
| 17:12.52 | ToApolytoXaos | Agiofws, then read more about gnome3 D.E. |
| 17:13.05 | samgraf | Agiofws: Look at Setttings>Advanced>URL Handlers... |
| 17:13.05 | ToApolytoXaos | deb: yeah it's a local server |
| 17:13.15 | Agiofws | System -> System Setings -> Default Applications |
| 17:13.17 | Agiofws | hmm ok |
| 17:13.22 | Agiofws | thanks lets see |
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| 17:13.59 | deb | <ToApolytoXaos> : type this : echo "localhost.mydomain.org" > /etc/hosts |
| 17:14.19 | deb | <ToApolytoXaos> : sudo if needed |
| 17:14.24 | deb | wait! |
| 17:14.36 | deb | <ToApolytoXaos> : type this : echo "localhost.mydomain.org 127.0.0.1" > /etc/hosts |
| 17:14.41 | Agiofws | look @ www.imagebin.org/249622 |
| 17:14.51 | Agiofws | there is no chrome ^^ option to choose there |
| 17:15.02 | ToApolytoXaos | deb: should not i use my local IP address? |
| 17:15.11 | ToApolytoXaos | in place of localhost IP? |
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| 17:15.52 | ToApolytoXaos | because i would be accessing my local web server via Virtual Machine OS |
| 17:15.53 | somiaj | Agiofws: there isn't a 'other' option where you type it in. Again #xchat will get users for that software |
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| 17:17.15 | ToApolytoXaos | deb: i have done it last night, but the problem was with the IP. if i would access my website locally, it would work because the link in website would point to http://localhost/blog/ whereas within Virtual Machine would work only with IP; for example, 192.168.1.10/blog |
| 17:17.48 | ToApolytoXaos | but with this way, it would not be able to find the sub-folders due to the localhost in link(s) |
| 17:17.52 | mtn | Agiofws: or install chromium and it will show in the list. |
| 17:17.52 | Agiofws | somiaj, ? |
| 17:18.03 | ToApolytoXaos | that's why i want to make it work with a fake domain name. |
| 17:18.06 | Agiofws | i use chrome not chromium |
| 17:18.24 | mtn | Agiofws: my point exactly |
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| 17:33.31 | savr | for some reason I can't seem to figure out it seems that openvpn can't open it's ports |
| 17:33.48 | savr | I can't find it with nmap -sU |
| 17:34.10 | savr | Sat Mar 9 11:59:02 2013 UDPv4 link local (bound): [undef] |
| 17:34.10 | savr | Sat Mar 9 11:59:02 2013 UDPv4 link remote: [undef] |
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| 17:34.36 | savr | from the logs... seems like that is a port binding failure? |
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| 18:01.57 | savr | how do I get the username of a UID? |
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| 18:06.47 | socomm | savr: /etc/passwd has all that info |
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| 18:08.45 | kaki | i'm trying to modify an binary executable file. with objdump i can get something like an dissambly but i see no way how to assamble that afterwards. is there some tool within debian to accomplish that task? |
| 18:11.04 | kaki | assEmble* |
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| 18:14.52 | holycow | hey guys |
| 18:15.01 | holycow | a question for those with server experience |
| 18:15.24 | holycow | i have a failed hard drive in a failed raid array. are there any dangers in using a replacement drive that has data on it? |
| 18:15.55 | holycow | the new drive wont arrive in time and i have one sitting around. i am pretty sure there are 0 issues but thought to ask for second opinion |
| 18:16.12 | rryoumaa | how would the computer know? |
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| 18:18.47 | somiaj | holycow: I can't think of any issues (but have limited experience). I would assume once you tell the raid array to rebuild that drive it would not matter if there was data on it or not. Just that the drive was the right size to fit in the array. |
| 18:19.08 | dizzylizzy | I love jigdo so much :) Found 473 of the 526 files required by the template |
| 18:19.14 | holycow | that is my thought as well somiaj |
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| 18:21.56 | brontosaurusrex | holycow, it could be funny, if the "data" is from another array |
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| 18:24.20 | LifeRider | anyone around? |
| 18:24.48 | savr | <savr> lsof -i TCP -i UDP gives an error lsof: no pwd entry for UID 109 |
| 18:24.49 | savr | <savr> there is no UID 109! |
| 18:24.49 | savr | <savr> this is on a VPS host |
| 18:24.49 | savr | <savr> is this normal or a sign of something wrong? |
| 18:24.49 | savr | <savr> *this command is being ran on the VPS host server. Wondering if it is just one of the nodes |
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| 18:32.40 | bfortified | anyone know off the top of there head the package name for emacs in the command-line? |
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| 18:33.04 | jamesxp | hello |
| 18:33.08 | jamesxp | !list |
| 18:33.08 | dpkg | jamesxp: Ć possibile di scaricare un sacco di software libero puntando il tuo browser a http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/multi-arch/iso-cd/debian-6.0.7-amd64-i386-netinst.iso ! |
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| 18:34.35 | somiaj | savr: wonder if it is seeing an open port that is using a UID that is not in /etc/passwd, but maybe it was a port opened by a guest. |
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| 18:49.10 | majcol | ciao |
| 18:49.19 | majcol | !list |
| 18:49.19 | dpkg | majcol: Debian ĆØ un sistema operativo composto di software libero non quella gratis. Vedi http://www.debian.org/intro/free.it.html per sapere di piĆ¹. |
| 18:49.33 | babilen | majcol: No warez here. Use free software! |
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| 18:56.53 | savr | somiaj: what do you mean? |
| 18:57.00 | zykotick9 | bfortified: did you find it? "apt-cache search ^emacs" might help. if you want the terminal version, see emacs23-nox |
| 18:57.04 | savr | it seems like it is mysql |
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| 18:57.50 | savr | the error appears above mysql and java |
| 18:58.18 | savr | both being ran in separate VPS containers |
| 18:58.20 | somiaj | savr: a UID is just a number, the UID's the guest runs things are different than the UID's the host run (there may be some over lap if they are all debian vms, but there can still be differences) |
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| 18:58.44 | savr | I see |
| 18:58.51 | savr | so I shouldn't be concerned? |
| 18:58.55 | somiaj | savr: so my guess is the host is seeing all tcp ports opened by the guests, and isn't able to correctly identify which UID owns it |
| 18:59.31 | somiaj | savr: provided you can identify the port/process is opened by a guest, I woudln't be |
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| 19:00.01 | savr | in the mysql container 109 is mysqld |
| 19:00.25 | somiaj | savr: even if it was a buged process that started, it doesn't have a vaild uid so it will not have premissions to mess with things |
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| 19:00.40 | savr | and on the java one it is tomcat |
| 19:00.56 | somiaj | savr: so yea it is probabaly one of those opening a port |
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| 19:01.55 | bfortified | zykotick9, Yes thank you I forgot about -nox |
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| 19:02.55 | bfortified | zykotick9, whats is the "^" in the apt-cache search for? |
| 19:03.12 | zykotick9 | ^ for "appears at beginning" |
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| 19:03.29 | bfortified | ahhhhh that will be helpful |
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| 19:04.01 | savr | thanks somiaj |
| 19:04.07 | savr | !hug somiaj |
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| 19:05.22 | reavengrey | no homo |
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| 19:06.04 | maxxe | :D |
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| 19:06.42 | maxxe | !hug savr |
| 19:06.42 | dpkg | gives savr a hug |
| 19:07.07 | babilen | Stop playing with the bot (or do it in private) please. |
| 19:07.30 | savr | private hugs? now that sounds sexual! |
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| 19:07.36 | maxxe | :D |
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| 19:10.44 | Roland- | got a question |
| 19:10.51 | savr | !ask |
| 19:10.52 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 19:11.36 | Roland- | would like to install wheezy, the rc version. when it will be stable and wide used, will I have to reinstall or a simple upgrade will do? |
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| 19:12.53 | maxxe | you don't have to reinstall, some bugs probably have been fixed when it's stable, so you just have to upgrade |
| 19:13.11 | Roland- | that's great news thanks |
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| 19:13.35 | Roland- | oh, is ssd trim fully supported? |
| 19:14.33 | zykotick9 | Roland-: yes, but more then trim. the wheezy installer is suppose to do alignment correctly as well. FYI, the RC is NOT actually for wheezy, but the installer only. |
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| 19:15.52 | Roland- | I see |
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| 19:16.50 | LifeRider | Anyone knows How I install red5 in debian VPS? |
| 19:18.05 | pianino | I have installed both firmware-realtek.deb and firmware-linux-nonfree.deb in order to access to the wireless internet. Unfortunately I couldn t do it yet! Would u help please? What s the next step? (I m new in Debian) |
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| 19:19.22 | FilipeMaia | What's the best too to sanely administer openLDAP? |
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| 19:20.21 | ManoftheSea | Knowledgeable gurus: I'm doing homework, Smashing the Stack for Fun and Profit. I segfault when mov'ing into the .data. Would anyone know how to tell GCC to stop protecting it? |
| 19:20.25 | rockdrilla | pianono, type "uname -a" in terminal and post here output |
| 19:20.48 | ManoftheSea | FilipeMaia: I like phpldapadmin, or ldapvi |
| 19:21.44 | FilipeMaia | ManoftheSea: thanks |
| 19:21.53 | rockdrilla | oh, i'm sorry for typo - sitting from smartphone. |
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| 19:22.40 | rockdrilla | pianino, which kernel version do you using. |
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| 19:22.56 | pianino | amd64 |
| 19:23.20 | rockdrilla | it's arch, not version. |
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| 19:23.41 | Nik05 | hey guys during startup when swap is mounted it says permission is 1660 and 660 is suggested, what to do about this? |
| 19:23.45 | ManoftheSea | pianino: output of "uname -a" |
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| 19:24.43 | pianino | Output> Linux ..... 2.6.32-5-amd64 |
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| 19:25.21 | pianino | I m not sure if I needed to type all the sentence! |
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| 19:26.08 | ManoftheSea | pianino: do you know your wireless card? lspci, lsusb to find it |
| 19:26.34 | ManoftheSea | lspci will look at the pci bus, while lsusb will look for a usb stick |
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| 19:27.10 | hkm | hi, can some one tell me how to fix this bug: xhci_hcd 0000.00:14.0: error no room on ep ring |
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| 19:28.16 | pianino | Regarading the internet, I see only 'Ethernet controller: Realtek Semiconductor co.' and 'Network controller: Intel Corporation Device' ! |
| 19:28.28 | Nik05 | guess its just a bug, nothing to worry |
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| 19:28.59 | ManoftheSea | pianino: was that pci or usb? |
| 19:29.07 | pianino | pci |
| 19:29.08 | hkm | hi, can some one tell me how to fix this bug: xhci_hcd 0000.00:14.0: error no room on ep ring |
| 19:29.34 | ManoftheSea | hkm, repeating yourself doesn't help |
| 19:29.53 | ManoftheSea | pianino: what was the vendor/product id? xxxx:XXXX |
| 19:30.11 | hkm | ManoftheSea: maybe no one read it, then i try again xD |
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| 19:30.24 | ManoftheSea | hkm, repeating yourself doesn't help. |
| 19:30.55 | ManoftheSea | hkm, output of "uname -a" |
| 19:31.19 | hkm | Linux localhost 3.2.0-4-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 3.2.35-2 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
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| 19:31.47 | pianino | I m not sure about the vendor; however, I have these information in 'Ethernet controller' section: RTL8101E/RTL8102E PCI Express fast ethernet controller. (The models) |
| 19:31.57 | ManoftheSea | hmm. hkm, I found this http://askubuntu.com/questions/187644/error-no-room-on-ep-ring-with-usb-3-0-device |
| 19:32.08 | ManoftheSea | But I don't know any more about the xhci |
| 19:32.10 | tharkun | If I needed to cloned the users on a server copying /etc/shadow would suffice or do I also need to copy the /etc/passwd file also? |
| 19:32.55 | pianino | I found it!! |
| 19:33.06 | pianino | 8086:0024 |
| 19:33.31 | pianino | Sorry this one is correct > 8086:0189 |
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| 19:34.11 | Walex | tharkun: /etc/{passwd,shadow,group,gshadow} |
| 19:34.14 | pianino | 0bda:0138 Realtek Semiconductor Corp. Card reader |
| 19:34.14 | ManoftheSea | pianino: that's an intel bluetooth chip |
| 19:34.24 | hkm | ManoftheSea: they say about run "apport-collect 883646" but this does not exist for me |
| 19:34.26 | ManoftheSea | er, no, I'm wrong. |
| 19:34.50 | ManoftheSea | pianino: would you mind pastebinning the output of lspci? |
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| 19:36.03 | pianino | I m using my another laptop! I don have access to the internet in my linux machine. So I think it s better to type all of them here line by line. |
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| 19:36.25 | ManoftheSea | oh, right. |
| 19:38.07 | ManoftheSea | that vendor number seems wrong. lspci -s pci-id -v should give more info about that device. |
| 19:38.46 | rockdrilla | pianino, i'd recommend you using ether/wifi router to connect two or more devices. |
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| 19:40.19 | pianino | The problem is all of our devices here have access to the internet except my new Debian. I do not even see a wireless connection to connect to! |
| 19:40.52 | ManoftheSea | it's possible there isn't a realtek driver in the kernel that old that supports your card. |
| 19:41.06 | ManoftheSea | it's possible there's not a driver for your realtek. |
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| 19:42.57 | pianino | I have tried debian via workstation beforehand and it worked normally! R u sure about this? |
| 19:43.07 | pianino | vmware workstation |
| 19:43.18 | ManoftheSea | vmware workstation didn't use your wireless card. |
| 19:43.30 | dizzylizzy | I've been having a realtek firmware demand too, it seems to be safe to ignore mine |
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| 19:43.53 | dizzylizzy | I didn't install it and here I am |
| 19:44.49 | ManoftheSea | dizzylizzy, but he expects to have a wireless interface and doesn't. |
| 19:44.58 | dizzylizzy | i see |
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| 19:47.19 | pianino | May I paste half of the output of 'lspci' somewhere? |
| 19:47.31 | ManoftheSea | paste.debian.org, I think |
| 19:47.38 | ManoftheSea | .net |
| 19:48.35 | pianino | <http://paste.debian.net/240676> |
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| 19:50.32 | ManoftheSea | pianino: none of that is network equipment |
| 19:51.28 | pianino | Ethernet controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8101E/RTL8102E PCI Express Fast Ethernet controller (rev 05) |
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| 19:51.50 | djp__ | does debian recommend (is it the debian way?) using su over sudo? i've noticed sudo isn't installed by default. |
| 19:52.03 | pianino | Network controller: Intel Corporation Device 008a (rev 34) |
| 19:52.14 | ManoftheSea | ok... but: 02:00.0 Network controller: Intel Corporation Centrino Advanced-N 6205 [Taylor Peak] (rev 34) |
| 19:52.34 | ManoftheSea | in my case, "lspci -s 02:00.0 -v" gives me more info |
| 19:52.40 | ManoftheSea | you're not posting those numbers |
| 19:53.09 | ManoftheSea | djp__: sudo gives a normal user root access. That's fundamentally wrong. Admin users should have admin privilege. |
| 19:53.15 | ManoftheSea | And you shouldn't run as admin all the time. |
| 19:53.21 | ompaul | djp__: sudo is there, you have to enable it per user, also if you don't create a root password then it does the sudo thing - but personally I prefer root, and don't allow someone to log on at console as root |
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| 19:54.12 | pianino | Bus 002 Device 004: ID 0bda:0138 Realtek Semiconductor Corp. Card reader |
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| 19:56.03 | ManoftheSea | that's not a wireless card |
| 19:56.26 | djp__ | ManoftheSea: ompaul thanks.that helps my understanding. think i may well use su from now on but as ompaul says, make sure not to forget about it and remain logged in as root all the time! |
| 19:56.46 | ompaul | pianino: ifconfig -a that will tell you what network cards are working |
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| 19:57.17 | pianino | The output is: |
| 19:57.27 | ompaul | pianino: if on the other hand you have a wireless interface and didn't install the firmware for it - paste.debian.net |
| 19:57.39 | pianino | 1. eth0 and 2. lo |
| 19:57.41 | ompaul | pianino: always paste.debian.net |
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| 19:58.03 | ToApolytoXaos | guys, i have set up apache to respond on a fake domain name and works fine on my PC, but on a Guest OS under VirtualBox with bridged connection cannot use it unless i use it with its IP. can anyone suggest anything? cheers |
| 19:58.31 | ompaul | pianino: so no wireless cards - do this lspci > foo and upload foo to paste.debian.net given that you seemed to have late breaking news earlier |
| 19:58.31 | ManoftheSea | ToApolytoXaos: does your host know how to route the name |
| 19:58.55 | ToApolytoXaos | you mean /etc/hosts? |
| 19:59.01 | ToApolytoXaos | in my Host machine? |
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| 19:59.48 | ManoftheSea | ToApolytoXaos: I mean, if it's a fake domain name, does the system know how to translate fake name to real IP? |
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| 20:00.32 | ToApolytoXaos | ManoftheSea, you mean to translate IP 192.168.1.10 myfakedomain.com? |
| 20:01.01 | ManoftheSea | ToApolytoXaos: no, to translate yourfakecomain.com to 192.yadda.yadda.yadda |
| 20:01.20 | ToApolytoXaos | i think i have lost you somewhere |
| 20:01.37 | ToApolytoXaos | i have followed the examples from http://debian-handbook.info/browse/wheezy/sect.http-web-server.html |
| 20:02.00 | ToApolytoXaos | and works just fine on my PC, but from Guest machine works only with IP |
| 20:02.01 | ManoftheSea | your VM, you fire up the web browser and type http://myfakecomain.com. The VM says, "Who is that?" NS says, "I dunno, lol" |
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| 20:02.45 | ToApolytoXaos | ManoftheSea, "this webpage is not available" |
| 20:03.04 | ManoftheSea | so then your web browser says, "I dunno, lol" |
| 20:03.14 | ToApolytoXaos | in your words i presume ;) |
| 20:03.15 | ToApolytoXaos | :D |
| 20:03.32 | ToApolytoXaos | so, what should i do then? |
| 20:03.45 | ToApolytoXaos | how to setup DNS to look locally? |
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| 20:04.05 | ManoftheSea | as root: "echo 192.168.123.45 yourfakedomain.com >> /etc/hosts" |
| 20:04.13 | ManoftheSea | except with your number and name |
| 20:04.42 | ToApolytoXaos | ManoftheSea, this is what I have done when i said before "<ToApolytoXaos> ManoftheSea, you mean to translate IP 192.168.1.10 myfakedomain.com?" |
| 20:05.03 | ToApolytoXaos | in my /etc/hosts i have added my local IP as above |
| 20:05.09 | ManoftheSea | http://www.meh.ro/2010/08/06/i-dunno-lol/ |
| 20:05.40 | ManoftheSea | ToApolytoXaos: ok, let's debug. From the vm, can you ping and traceroute to fakedomain? |
| 20:06.14 | damarusama | how do I use apt-get upgrade to point to a chroot enviroment, something like apt-get -o RootFolder?? |
| 20:06.23 | ToApolytoXaos | ManoftheSea, the IP yes; the hostname no |
| 20:06.32 | ManoftheSea | damarusama: chroot environment, then apt-get upgrade |
| 20:06.50 | damarusama | ManoftheSea: it doesn't work - there is some problem with the chroot env |
| 20:07.00 | ManoftheSea | ToApolytoXaos: when you attempt to ping the hostname, do you get back an IP? |
| 20:07.13 | damarusama | that I was trying to avoid with an apt-get -o |
| 20:07.19 | ManoftheSea | ToApolytoXaos: are you sure you did the /etc/hosts right? |
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| 20:07.30 | ToApolytoXaos | ManoftheSea, 1000% |
| 20:07.34 | ManoftheSea | damarusama: I don't know of an option to do what you say. |
| 20:07.52 | damarusama | ToApolytoXaos: you also need to make sure the router can route to a local domain name |
| 20:08.09 | ToApolytoXaos | damarusama, which router? |
| 20:08.26 | damarusama | your local router |
| 20:08.27 | ManoftheSea | the name lookup comes from /etc/hosts, he isn't looking from a nameserver |
| 20:08.59 | ManoftheSea | ToApolytoXaos: so, we know it's not your web browser or apache, but it's a problem with the name from the VM |
| 20:09.03 | ToApolytoXaos | ManoftheSea, how much space should it be between the IP address and the fake domain name? |
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| 20:09.19 | ManoftheSea | ToApolytoXaos: 1 or more whitespace |
| 20:09.26 | ToApolytoXaos | OK, there's 1 for sure |
| 20:09.30 | ToApolytoXaos | let me check it with more |
| 20:10.40 | ToApolytoXaos | same thing, not working |
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| 20:13.35 | Woet | when I do "grub-install /dev/sda" it outputs "Could not find device for /dev/md0". That's correct, software RAID is gone. Where is it pulling that from? |
| 20:13.42 | Woet | there is no mention of /dev/md0 anywhere in /boot |
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| 20:16.41 | mac- | I can get information from /proc/partitions how many blocks partition has |
| 20:16.43 | mac- | but from where can I get info about block size ? |
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| 20:25.41 | nmeum | hello, I want to upgrade from debian testing to debian unstable is this http://sprunge.us/gMRh a valid /etc/apt/sources.list for this purpose or do I have to add more repos? |
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| 20:26.38 | dvs | !iyhtays nmeum |
| 20:26.38 | dpkg | nmeum: If You Have To Ask, You Shouldn't. |
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| 20:27.50 | nmeum | I am pretty sure that it is valid, I just wanted to make sure that this is the case |
| 20:28.05 | nmeum | *apt-get update ; update get upgrade* |
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| 20:29.22 | subthalamus | dpkg: u should be able to help me, heh, what method of automatic updates do u recommend (none is not a valid answer :P) |
| 20:29.22 | dpkg | subthalamus: what are you talking about? |
| 20:29.34 | babilen | subthalamus: dpkg is a bot |
| 20:29.36 | subthalamus | hah |
| 20:29.44 | dvs | dpkg: what are you? |
| 20:29.44 | dpkg | I am an infobot. For more information, ask me about <infobot>. |
| 20:29.48 | subthalamus | babilen: just realizedthat |
| 20:30.09 | nmeum | hehe |
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| 20:32.29 | mtn | nmeum: you need to do some reading before doing anything like that. start with man apt-get |
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| 20:33.39 | subthalamus | so what say you all? cron-apt, unattended-upgrades, nano /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/whatever.whatever ? |
| 20:33.52 | jelly-home | "don't do automatic upgrades" |
| 20:34.03 | mtn | subthalamus: second the motion |
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| 20:34.13 | subthalamus | I want to automagically update 2 systems weekly and break them |
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| 20:34.36 | jelly-home | to what end? |
| 20:35.03 | jelly-home | (mind you, I don't have an answer, just playing devil's advocate) |
| 20:35.52 | subthalamus | my options are never update or automagically update continously |
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| 20:36.36 | subthalamus | the user that uses them can't and doesn t want to handle the task of updating them |
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| 20:37.18 | jelly-home | and pays you to fix breakage when it happens, nice |
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| 20:38.27 | subthalamus | hey, things operated exactly the same way when they ran winders heh |
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| 20:38.42 | damarusama | ManoftheSea: I was looking for apt-get -o RootFolder=/path/to/folder upgrade |
| 20:38.46 | subthalamus | I've managed to convert them |
| 20:39.11 | ManoftheSea | damarusama: neat. Thanks for letting me know that's possible. |
| 20:39.31 | damarusama | yeah I am trying to fix a drive I chroot too |
| 20:39.44 | damarusama | it's a neat trick although I still can't fix it |
| 20:39.56 | damarusama | got stuck in a libc6 broken upgrade |
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| 20:41.01 | damarusama | yeah if anyone can help - a apt-get upgrade stop in the middle of a libc6 update - I had to do a hard reset |
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| 20:41.13 | subthalamus | come on guys/gals, these packages exist for a reason, no preferences at all besides "don't do it"? |
| 20:41.18 | damarusama | the debian wouldn't start anymore, couldn't login as a single user |
| 20:42.01 | damarusama | had to chroot into the mounted drive (with a rescue disk) now trying to finalize the apt-get upgrade, but there are some library that doesn't work anymore, namely the zlib |
| 20:42.44 | damarusama | try to fix apt-get without zlib - now I can't even add new package because it tries to finish the upgrade |
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| 20:54.24 | ManoftheSea | damarusama: try to export the package selection, then wipe and reinstall all the packages. |
| 20:54.34 | ManoftheSea | I'm not saying it's a good or easy option... |
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| 21:02.54 | damarusama | ManoftheSea: how to wide and re-install all package - do you mean to wipe the whole system ? |
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| 21:06.29 | damarusama | ManoftheSea: I don't mind re-installing all the packages as long as I can keep the home directory |
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| 21:10.48 | ManoftheSea | damarusama: http://lists.samba.org/archive/linux/2002-June/003399.html |
| 21:10.59 | ManoftheSea | I don't know if dpkg will accept the same -O location |
| 21:11.29 | ManoftheSea | but my suggestion would be to save the data you care about, debootstrap, chroot, and dpkg --set-selections |
| 21:11.59 | damarusama | I cannot login into my drive anymore at this point though |
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| 21:12.50 | damarusama | ho I see |
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| 21:13.10 | damarusama | you would debootstrap so that you can install a new system on the same filesystem |
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| 21:14.31 | johnfg | how can I fix this: http://paste.debian.net/240688/ |
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| 21:20.11 | fleeky | http://www.pasteall.org/40367 |
| 21:20.18 | fleeky | was doing an apt-get update && apt-get upgrade |
| 21:20.20 | fleeky | then this happend |
| 21:20.28 | fleeky | now the system wont run anything .. |
| 21:20.33 | fleeky | however what was already on still works |
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| 21:20.52 | fleeky | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:21.01 | fleeky | when i try to do apt-get install -f for instance |
| 21:21.12 | fleeky | ls: error while loading shared libraries: libselinux.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 21:21.15 | fleeky | when trying to do ls |
| 21:21.32 | fleeky | kindof screwed hard here, no idea how an upgrade would do this |
| 21:22.01 | damarusama | fleeky: yeah I got at the same place as you |
| 21:22.10 | damarusama | fleeky: you haven't rebooted yet I assume? |
| 21:22.10 | fleeky | really? |
| 21:22.14 | fleeky | nope |
| 21:22.22 | fleeky | it will all be gone when i reboot i assume |
| 21:22.29 | damarusama | no |
| 21:22.31 | damarusama | worste |
| 21:22.34 | damarusama | will happen |
| 21:22.35 | damarusama | :( |
| 21:22.44 | fleeky | hmm |
| 21:22.46 | fleeky | what then ? |
| 21:22.50 | Sysaxed | and now the electricity goes boom.. |
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| 21:23.02 | damarusama | 2 sec |
| 21:23.11 | fleeky | a) any idea why this happend, b) any way to fix it |
| 21:23.31 | damarusama | try ldconfig |
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| 21:23.49 | Sysaxed | fleeky, what version is that? |
| 21:23.52 | damarusama | what happened for me is that a libc6 didn't install correctly |
| 21:24.07 | damarusama | it borke the whole system - I can only chrot into now |
| 21:24.08 | fleeky | ldconfig ran atleast |
| 21:24.13 | fleeky | just didnt spout anything out |
| 21:24.18 | damarusama | kool |
| 21:24.25 | damarusama | you should have better control now |
| 21:24.26 | fleeky | Linux barkatron 3.2.0-4-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 3.2.35-2 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 21:24.37 | damarusama | what is you do apt-get upgrade now again ? |
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| 21:25.06 | fleeky | wants me to do an install -f |
| 21:25.07 | fleeky | should i ? |
| 21:25.13 | Sysaxed | yeah |
| 21:25.16 | fleeky | unmet dependencies |
| 21:25.21 | fleeky | just sortof scared to do anything atm ;) |
| 21:25.22 | damarusama | well you might not be able to do it |
| 21:25.33 | damarusama | you have a second machine? or a boot drive |
| 21:25.34 | fleeky | its allowing it |
| 21:25.36 | fleeky | should i go for it ? |
| 21:26.09 | damarusama | what are the unmet dep? |
| 21:26.15 | Sysaxed | shouldn't install -f fix things that were broken last time? |
| 21:26.27 | damarusama | it didn't work for me :( |
| 21:26.34 | damarusama | but generally it works |
| 21:26.43 | fleeky | damarusama, http://www.pasteall.org/40368 |
| 21:27.15 | fleeky | i have a server , and well thats it |
| 21:27.19 | fleeky | besides this box |
| 21:27.29 | damarusama | ya I got the same problem |
| 21:27.35 | damarusama | you should try to -f it |
| 21:27.40 | Sysaxed | yes |
| 21:27.51 | damarusama | it might stop you half way but that's the next step anyway |
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| 21:28.01 | fleeky | nope |
| 21:28.02 | Sysaxed | yes it says that it will upgrade libc |
| 21:28.03 | fleeky | still broken |
| 21:28.05 | Sysaxed | which is good |
| 21:28.07 | damarusama | it's the stoopid libc6:i386 package |
| 21:28.19 | fleeky | but ldconfig atleast fixes ls and such |
| 21:28.23 | damarusama | indeed |
| 21:28.30 | damarusama | (took me a while to get that) |
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| 21:28.48 | damarusama | I am now on a live rescue cd, chroot trying to fix the system :( |
| 21:28.52 | Sysaxed | fleeky, did install -f fail? if yes, then what was the error ? |
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| 21:29.04 | fleeky | http://www.pasteall.org/40369 |
| 21:29.07 | damarusama | I've read few other people had this in the last few days |
| 21:29.09 | fleeky | Sysaxed, thats it |
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| 21:29.24 | fleeky | damarusama, thanks for the ldconfig tip |
| 21:29.30 | fleeky | atleast the system runs a bit now |
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| 21:29.51 | Sysaxed | dpkg-deb: error while loading shared libraries: libz.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
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| 21:29.54 | Sysaxed | so that's the error, right? |
| 21:29.57 | fleeky | yep |
| 21:30.01 | fleeky | from what i can tell |
| 21:30.07 | damarusama | I am there to |
| 21:30.20 | damarusama | the libz is essential to apt-get |
| 21:30.33 | damarusama | since it's used to untar the .deb files |
| 21:30.40 | fleeky | ah |
| 21:30.44 | damarusama | so you can't relly re-install it |
| 21:30.54 | fleeky | can you replace it ? |
| 21:30.58 | Sysaxed | :\\\ |
| 21:31.14 | Sysaxed | maybe copying it from another system will do the trick? |
| 21:31.18 | damarusama | well if you could untar a .deb from another machine and put the files at the right place |
| 21:31.32 | fleeky | hrmm |
| 21:31.36 | damarusama | yeah I tried something like that.... didn't really work |
| 21:31.39 | Sysaxed | I'd better try fixing libz |
| 21:31.54 | damarusama | yeah I've been at it for the last 10 hours... |
| 21:31.57 | fleeky | Sysaxed, do you haave the same problem ? |
| 21:31.59 | fleeky | damn |
| 21:32.05 | Sysaxed | fleeky, no, just trying to help |
| 21:32.06 | fleeky | sounds like someone screwed up the repo? |
| 21:32.14 | Sysaxed | fleeky, that's what I thought about too! |
| 21:32.17 | fleeky | Sysaxed, Thank You |
| 21:32.27 | damarusama | when you reboot it cannot locate some libs so you can't relly log in back into your box |
| 21:32.34 | Sysaxed | fleeky, is it stable, testing or unstable? |
| 21:32.36 | fleeky | i thought so |
| 21:32.37 | damarusama | fleeky: did you have multiarch installed |
| 21:32.49 | fleeky | hold on lemme check my source |
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| 21:33.22 | damarusama | should we talk to the dev at debian, they might have a better idea |
| 21:33.47 | tailwind | kerz> Georgy, you can't possibly have attempted the fix in the link |
| 21:33.48 | tailwind | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:33.48 | tailwind | <holstein> Georgy: i would go to ubuntu and try tty or one of the other |
| 21:33.48 | tailwind | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:33.48 | fleeky | http://www.pasteall.org/40370 |
| 21:33.50 | tailwind | ERC> Help: crypttab mounted /home (luks partition) doesn't show password box during boot, only "S to skip, M for manual". Why won't it prompt for password? This is on a fresh Ubuntu 12.10 install but I'm guessing the debugging is likely the same and no-one on #ubuntu seems to have any ideas. The same crypttab/fstab entries worked fine (prompted during boot) on 12.04. Any thoughts as to how to debug? |
| 21:34.29 | fleeky | not sure why i put linux-mint repos in there atm .. |
| 21:34.32 | damarusama | fleeky: yeah you are on multiarch |
| 21:34.41 | damarusama | I think the prob comes from there to |
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| 21:35.01 | damarusama | there were 3 reports of the same problem on crunchbang (debian) in the last 2 days |
| 21:35.02 | fleeky | i do run mate |
| 21:35.10 | fleeky | so thats why that repo is there |
| 21:35.15 | Sysaxed | damarusama, sounds scary, running crunchbang too |
| 21:35.41 | damarusama | Sysaxed: crunchbang is awesome :D |
| 21:35.41 | fleeky | is there a way to check what packages are installed by which repo ? |
| 21:35.48 | damarusama | yes |
| 21:36.06 | Sysaxed | fleeky, yes |
| 21:36.10 | Sysaxed | apt-cache policy |
| 21:36.19 | damarusama | that ^ |
| 21:36.22 | damarusama | :D |
| 21:36.52 | Sysaxed | there are some nice one liners on the internet for more specific tasks :) |
| 21:37.36 | fleeky | 500 http://packages.linuxmint.com/ debian/import i386 Packages |
| 21:37.36 | fleeky | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:37.36 | fleeky | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:37.36 | fleeky | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:37.36 | fleeky | <PROTECTED> |
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| 21:37.45 | fleeky | sorry |
| 21:37.52 | fleeky | meant to pasteall that |
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| 21:38.49 | fleeky | oh huh |
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| 21:38.54 | fleeky | well synaptic was more usefull |
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| 21:39.11 | fleeky | opera / picasa / and virtualbox 3.2 are using the linux mint repo |
| 21:39.22 | fleeky | that shouldnt reallyy be screwing around with anything should it ? |
| 21:39.37 | damarusama | I dont think so |
| 21:39.38 | fleeky | or wait .. there not selected as installed |
| 21:39.41 | fleeky | ok im confused |
| 21:39.55 | damarusama | well some application will behave weirdly too |
| 21:40.00 | damarusama | at the moment |
| 21:40.12 | zmitya | hi gents |
| 21:40.22 | fleeky | i could probably take out the linuxmint repo maybe |
| 21:40.29 | fleeky | i cant seem to find anything that is instaleld with it |
| 21:40.34 | fleeky | apt-cache policy didnt tell me much |
| 21:40.37 | fleeky | or i read it wrong |
| 21:40.39 | zmitya | I have a squeeze on /dev/md0 and I just installed a wheezy on /dev/md1 |
| 21:40.51 | jelly-home | fleeky: remove it, and read /msg dpkg obsolete |
| 21:41.01 | zmitya | update-grub does not recognise the squeeze on /dev/md0 .. |
| 21:41.09 | zmitya | whet can I do now ? |
| 21:41.20 | zmitya | os-prober is installed |
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| 21:42.13 | Sysaxed | fleeky, dpkg -l ? |
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| 21:45.07 | bfortified | using "# rm -rf google-chrome" get this error rm: cannot remove `google-chrome/Default': Directory not empty |
| 21:45.08 | Sysaxed | how can I change default locale but not the system language? Tried dpkg-reconfigure locales but it warned me that interface will be affected too |
| 21:46.15 | fleeky | fuck |
| 21:46.27 | fleeky | friend of mine said to try apptitude -f install |
| 21:46.29 | damarusama | :| |
| 21:46.34 | fleeky | now everything is file not found |
| 21:46.38 | fleeky | i am an idiot |
| 21:46.50 | damarusama | can you cd |
| 21:46.53 | fleeky | ldconfig doesnt fix that one |
| 21:46.54 | fleeky | yes i can |
| 21:46.57 | damarusama | kool |
| 21:47.04 | damarusama | /sbin/ldconf |
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| 21:47.47 | damarusama | does that works? |
| 21:48.11 | fleeky | nope |
| 21:48.16 | Sysaxed | bfortified, hm, this looks weird! :D |
| 21:48.17 | fleeky | /sbin/ldconf no file found |
| 21:48.20 | synamics | Someone has a solve to AR928x problems? |
| 21:48.37 | Sysaxed | bfortified, just brainstorming - try without f parameter or try to pass google-chrome/ |
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| 21:49.07 | damarusama | fleeky: ouch |
| 21:49.10 | Sysaxed | ig |
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| 21:49.13 | fleeky | ldconfig actually works |
| 21:49.17 | fleeky | it just doesnt fix the problem |
| 21:49.17 | damarusama | ho |
| 21:49.26 | damarusama | does ls works |
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| 21:49.46 | Spektral | anyone in here with ovh/kimsufi? i know its off topic, but idk where to go to talk to some users of their dedis/vps and it not be the "official site" cuz i wanna ask about somethings that they'd just give a standardized from the rule book answer lol |
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| 21:50.07 | bfortified | Sysaxed, found a post where fsck fixed so trying that now |
| 21:50.11 | fleeky | so weird |
| 21:50.17 | fleeky | i cd'ed to bin |
| 21:50.18 | fleeky | ls is there |
| 21:50.29 | fleeky | cant manually run it in the dir though |
| 21:50.36 | damarusama | ./ls |
| 21:50.38 | damarusama | ? |
| 21:50.40 | LV-426 | still stuck with this dhcpd issue - DHCP Discover messages to 255.255.255.255 successfully arrive on a bridge interface (via vlan member), accepted by the fw, but dhcpd log seems completely ignorant of them, therefor not response is sent to the client. DHCP Requests are handled with no problem on non-bridge interfaces. |
| 21:50.42 | fleeky | says no such file |
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| 21:50.46 | fleeky | yeah tried that doesnt work |
| 21:50.51 | damarusama | :S |
| 21:50.59 | fleeky | i dont get why some things work and not others |
| 21:51.06 | LV-426 | i have a proper broadcast address set on the bridge |
| 21:51.10 | damarusama | I know I had the same thing |
| 21:51.23 | damarusama | you can do a 'a <tab><tav>' |
| 21:51.27 | fleeky | yeah |
| 21:51.32 | damarusama | which would tell you all the apps that can be used |
| 21:51.39 | bfortified | Sysaxed, well came up did an rm -r and its gone |
| 21:51.59 | fleeky | tab tab gives me 3111 possible |
| 21:52.31 | fleeky | i dont get why i cant manually run things |
| 21:52.36 | fleeky | even when i know the path ? |
| 21:52.48 | damarusama | well the problem is with libc6 |
| 21:52.59 | damarusama | so there are a lot of thing affected by that on debian |
| 21:53.05 | damarusama | like everything :S |
| 21:53.05 | fleeky | yeah |
| 21:53.07 | fleeky | apparently |
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| 21:53.49 | Sysaxed | bfortified, good ;) |
| 21:54.15 | fleeky | hmm |
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| 21:54.22 | fleeky | so basically this install is screwed? |
| 21:54.29 | damarusama | fleeky are you on the debian mailling list ? |
| 21:54.41 | fleeky | am not |
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| 21:54.52 | damarusama | fleeky: well if you have a back up of your home, you can just re-install |
| 21:55.15 | damarusama | I'll try a few more thing, and wait until tomrrow to see if it's not more generalized inthe community |
| 21:55.44 | damarusama | as I'd prefer not to re-install, but if you don't have anyting importnat and not wanting to waste time, re-install would be the fastest |
| 21:56.04 | fleeky | yeah would prefer not to re-install |
| 21:56.11 | fleeky | i have a zbrush wine install |
| 21:56.14 | fleeky | which might break if i do that |
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| 21:56.43 | damarusama | hum I am trying a upgraade on another live machine |
| 21:56.45 | fleeky | zbrush is stupid annoying to install in wine i wont bore you with the details |
| 21:57.06 | damarusama | to see if the libc will update ok - I read zbrush is really great soft |
| 21:57.20 | jelly-home | fleeky: so keep all of ~/.wine/ (or all of /home) |
| 21:57.26 | fleeky | it is .. it was the only thing holding me to windows for a whillee |
| 21:57.49 | fleeky | jelly i know im just worried it will still find a way to break ;) |
| 21:57.56 | synamics | Someone has a solve to AR928x wireless card problems? |
| 21:58.04 | jelly-home | fleeky: oh it will... it's wine after all |
| 21:58.09 | fleeky | hah |
| 21:58.15 | fleeky | this is why i dont want to reinstall ! |
| 21:58.27 | fleeky | i mean i will probably end up having to |
| 21:58.37 | fleeky | damarusama, lemme know how it goes |
| 21:58.57 | jelly-home | fleeky: and you don't have enough free space to do a separate new installation? |
| 21:59.25 | fleeky | i can ofcourse |
| 21:59.30 | damarusama | fleeky: well the upgrade on amb64 is working fine, it seems to be only the libc6-i386 or most probably the multiarch people |
| 21:59.45 | fleeky | so the solution is to reinstall ? |
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| 22:00.00 | fleeky | or i guess ill have the same problem since wine does multiarch stuff ? |
| 22:00.23 | damarusama | well they probably will fix the packages sooner or later |
| 22:00.47 | fleeky | i guess i should just deactivate zbrush and reinstall everything |
| 22:00.54 | damarusama | I read in an old post from 2009 that something similar happened, there were some file you had to retreive with ftp |
| 22:01.09 | fleeky | activating a zbrush product in wine is one of the most annoying things, |
| 22:01.20 | damarusama | I whish I could do that |
| 22:01.35 | damarusama | I don't have an external hdd so I need to upload my whole /home/ |
| 22:02.19 | damarusama | but before that i'm trying to copy the zlib files from tht newer installation |
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| 22:07.33 | damarusama | ho |
| 22:07.39 | damarusama | fleeky: http://www.legendiary.at/2013/02/23/adventures-on-recovering-broken-libc6-multiarch-upgrade-with-kernel-panics-on-debian-wheezy/ |
| 22:07.48 | damarusama | some post about the same problem |
| 22:07.50 | fleeky | well one big tip , DO NOT do apptitude -f install |
| 22:08.41 | fleeky | oh huh |
| 22:08.43 | fleeky | thats funny |
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| 22:08.51 | fleeky | i dont think the browser can load new pages ;) |
| 22:09.03 | damarusama | try w3m in a terminal |
| 22:09.08 | damarusama | well |
| 22:09.13 | damarusama | I am not sure he did resolved it |
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| 22:09.18 | fleeky | no such file :) |
| 22:09.35 | damarusama | ho shit |
| 22:09.41 | damarusama | he gave up |
| 22:09.43 | fleeky | its hosed |
| 22:09.44 | damarusama | :S |
| 22:09.45 | fleeky | haha |
| 22:09.53 | exynosocta | good job |
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| 22:10.06 | fleeky | apptitude -f install |
| 22:10.10 | fleeky | it borked it completely |
| 22:10.22 | damarusama | there is a debain forum post about it |
| 22:10.46 | exynosocta | i am using debian live 6.0.7. does it ok? |
| 22:11.07 | damarusama | ometimes during libc6 related upgrades a question/warning will popup that it needs to stop and restarting some services that are running (including kdm in my case). I think that can screw up the upgrade process. So when I see that libc6 related are included in the packages to be upgraded, I logout of the desktop session (for me that's KDE4), goto cli mode, kill the display manager (`service kdm stop`), and then do the upgrade/dist-upgrade. |
| 22:11.45 | damarusama | fleeky: there is some hope |
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| 22:12.02 | fleeky | i cant run anything though |
| 22:12.51 | fleeky | mostly at this point im just thinking which version of debian i should reinstall |
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| 22:13.19 | DanDare | etch ? |
| 22:13.24 | DanDare | :) |
| 22:13.42 | fleeky | doesnt the debian install cd come with repair options |
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| 22:14.03 | fleeky | i guess i need to load a live cd first, backup home and then reinstall |
| 22:14.31 | DanDare | fleeky, home is not in a separate partition ? |
| 22:14.33 | damarusama | yep that's what I am doing |
| 22:14.45 | DanDare | anyway, backup ftw |
| 22:14.54 | fleeky | lazy, i was |
| 22:14.58 | damarusama | for the first time in my life I which my /home was on another partition |
| 22:15.08 | damarusama | whish |
| 22:15.10 | damarusama | wish |
| 22:15.12 | damarusama | :S |
| 22:15.18 | DanDare | i never had /home in a separate partition |
| 22:15.24 | DanDare | though never had any issue also |
| 22:15.41 | damarusama | yeah never that much of a system crash on debian |
| 22:15.50 | fleeky | yeah this is pretty catastrophic though |
| 22:15.58 | DanDare | fleeky, what you did ? |
| 22:16.01 | damarusama | also from a simple apt-get upgrade |
| 22:16.10 | fleeky | apt-get update && apt-get upgrade |
| 22:16.11 | DanDare | or it "just" crashed ? |
| 22:16.12 | fleeky | exactly |
| 22:16.16 | DanDare | oh |
| 22:16.18 | fleeky | now libc6 is fucked |
| 22:16.23 | DanDare | weird |
| 22:16.25 | fleeky | ldconfig fixed that though |
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| 22:16.27 | fleeky | but then |
| 22:16.30 | damarusama | DanDare: if you are on multiarch 64bit i386 better not do a apt-get upgrade |
| 22:16.32 | fleeky | i tried apptitude -f installl |
| 22:16.37 | fleeky | and now everything is completely fucked |
| 22:16.57 | fleeky | im not really sure what to do because if i remember right i was doing multiarch because of wine |
| 22:17.08 | DanDare | understand |
| 22:17.10 | fleeky | but maybe reinstalling will just magically fix things i dont knwo |
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| 22:17.15 | DanDare | thats something i never tried really |
| 22:18.20 | DanDare | damarusama, and it makes sense, doing upgrade in a multiarch install sounds not great. Unless they have there some type of awesome control against crashes ? |
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| 22:18.41 | fleeky | uhm ok this is weird |
| 22:18.51 | fleeky | i can still transfer files to my remote home directory on my server |
| 22:18.54 | fleeky | hahah |
| 22:19.05 | DanDare | fleeky, its a remote server ? |
| 22:19.06 | damarusama | yeah well more and more people run multiarch because of wine and steam and other soft |
| 22:19.08 | fleeky | no |
| 22:19.16 | fleeky | i just have a server at my house |
| 22:19.18 | fleeky | for files |
| 22:19.19 | DanDare | steam ?? |
| 22:19.21 | DanDare | thats silly |
| 22:19.26 | damarusama | steam on debian :) |
| 22:19.30 | DanDare | i guess they deserve breaking their installs |
| 22:19.31 | DanDare | :P |
| 22:19.34 | damarusama | hehehe |
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| 22:19.44 | DanDare | my son use this thing |
| 22:19.49 | damarusama | yeah I was just on multiarch for some lib |
| 22:19.58 | DanDare | had to create some network rules for him |
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| 22:20.02 | DanDare | what a waste that |
| 22:20.08 | fleeky | DanDare, otoh .. wine is the main reason most of us can even consider going full debian |
| 22:20.29 | fleeky | otherwise i would have to run windows to run zbrush for instance |
| 22:20.32 | fleeky | it doesnt even work that well |
| 22:20.35 | fleeky | but it works well enough |
| 22:20.43 | DanDare | im sure ISP's are going all mad cause of steam |
| 22:20.58 | DanDare | fleeky, bah, install virtualbox |
| 22:21.07 | fleeky | i did |
| 22:21.09 | fleeky | i use that for other stuff |
| 22:21.17 | fleeky | wine runs better then virtualbox |
| 22:21.18 | fleeky | ? |
| 22:21.25 | DanDare | its relative |
| 22:21.32 | fleeky | relative how |
| 22:21.43 | DanDare | virtualbox is the easy way |
| 22:21.49 | fleeky | ah yes |
| 22:21.50 | fleeky | this is true |
| 22:21.56 | DanDare | but i guess it takes much more resources |
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| 22:22.10 | DanDare | on wine you are allocating resources just for that thing you want to run |
| 22:22.11 | DanDare | etc |
| 22:22.14 | fleeky | yeah |
| 22:22.27 | fleeky | thats why i run zbrush wine .. and for instance premiere and photoshop in vbox |
| 22:22.36 | fleeky | care less about there performance |
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| 22:26.30 | fleeky | stuff like this is enough to make you want to install linux-mint |
| 22:26.44 | DanDare | so, why to bother ? |
| 22:26.53 | fleeky | hmm? |
| 22:26.58 | DanDare | nvm |
| 22:27.39 | DanDare | fleeky, mint will not break after apt-get upgrade on a multiarch install ? |
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| 22:27.56 | fleeky | DanDare, infact i dont know but i do know debian does ? |
| 22:28.17 | fleeky | however i dont know conclusively .. |
| 22:28.21 | fleeky | but it did on this |
| 22:28.22 | damarusama | I think all debian derivative will break until they update the libc6-i386 |
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| 22:28.39 | fleeky | damarusama, oh ? |
| 22:28.41 | damarusama | which might only leave few of us screwed |
| 22:28.53 | rudi_s | fleeky: I haven't followed the discussion completely, but I think you should report the bug so that it can be fixed. |
| 22:29.11 | damarusama | rudi_s: how can we repot bug in debian ? |
| 22:29.20 | damarusama | I was looking for some sort of launchpad |
| 22:29.22 | rudi_s | damarusama: reportbug |
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| 22:29.25 | rudi_s | bugs.debian.org |
| 22:29.49 | rudi_s | !bug |
| 22:29.49 | dpkg | Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of unstable and testing are required to check the BTS. See also <apt-listbugs>, <reportbug>. http://wiki.debian.org/HowtoUseBTS |
| 22:29.56 | fleeky | rudi , question .. so the system will not start any new process , what logs should i try to save ? |
| 22:30.01 | fleeky | i will have to reinstall |
| 22:30.10 | fleeky | so just curious what i should save for the bugreport |
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| 22:30.54 | rudi_s | fleeky: Log of the update process would be the best (that's why you should always run the update with script in screen weith logging, etc.). List of installed packages. |
| 22:31.28 | rudi_s | *with script, or in GNU screen |
| 22:31.40 | rudi_s | The exact commands you've used, etc. |
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| 22:31.56 | fleeky | i will try to go back through the convo with pasteall's |
| 22:32.06 | damarusama | hum that's a fairly oldschool bug reporting system... |
| 22:32.11 | fleeky | the problem is the system is literally frozen where it was |
| 22:32.21 | fleeky | also cant browse new webpages |
| 22:32.23 | rudi_s | damarusama: What kind of bug tracking system to you prefer? |
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| 22:32.49 | rudi_s | Btw. it's mail based, which makes it very powerful and easy to use for those people, which in fact use it often. |
| 22:34.29 | n1md4 | hi. not quite the right channel, but I don't know where would be best to ask. I'm wanting to create a graphical site, similar to these http://www.iodatacenters.com/data-center-products/dcim/standard-edition http://www.iodatacenters.com/data-center-products/dcim/enterprise-edition http://www.iodatacenters.com/data-center-products/io-os |
| 22:34.47 | damarusama | rudi_s: well I am used to launchpad where I can see all the latest bug |
| 22:34.53 | n1md4 | which technology might I use? |
| 22:35.10 | rudi_s | damarusama: bugs.debian.org is packet based. |
| 22:35.33 | damarusama | rudi_s: yeah I am not sure how to browse trough - might take a moment for me :S |
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| 22:36.31 | brontosaurusrex | fleeky, what derivate are you running? |
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| 22:37.14 | fleeky | brontosaurusrex, wheezy |
| 22:37.39 | brontosaurusrex | #! or pure debian? |
| 22:37.53 | brontosaurusrex | or something? |
| 22:38.00 | fleeky | i had a mate repo ? |
| 22:38.15 | fleeky | apparently i had a linuxmint repo in there but nothing was using it |
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| 22:38.21 | brontosaurusrex | oh |
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| 22:38.36 | fleeky | but i run mate so i definitely use that repo |
| 22:38.43 | fleeky | that and a jitsi repo but i dont think that matters |
| 22:38.46 | rudi_s | fleeky: In that case you might want to hold back on the bug report ... bugs.debian.org is for debian bugs. |
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| 22:38.49 | brontosaurusrex | so i can expect breakage with multiarch? |
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| 22:39.05 | fleeky | brontosaurusrex, damarusama's also broke |
| 22:39.15 | fleeky | although i dont know how pure his debian repo was |
| 22:39.37 | fleeky | im going to bet money its actually a debian repo bug .. though |
| 22:40.02 | rudi_s | Just curious from where exactly where you updating to what? stable to wheezy? |
| 22:40.12 | brontosaurusrex | but isn't wheezy like close to "stable"? |
| 22:40.15 | rudi_s | I'm just asking because there's no multiarch/lib support in stable. |
| 22:40.26 | fleeky | no i was already running wheezy |
| 22:40.37 | rudi_s | Oh. |
| 22:40.46 | rudi_s | When did it brake? |
| 22:40.52 | damarusama | just a normal day to day apt-geet update / upgrade |
| 22:41.04 | fleeky | just now , after an apt-get update && apt-get upgrade |
| 22:41.06 | fleeky | ldconfig fixed that |
| 22:41.11 | rudi_s | In that case, report it for the packages you've updated .. _if_ you have a pure debian system. |
| 22:41.12 | fleeky | then i did apptitude -f install |
| 22:41.25 | fleeky | libc6 breaks |
| 22:41.29 | fleeky | now nothing will run |
| 22:41.34 | johnfg | anyone see my question about the bad gpg signature key for sid |
| 22:41.41 | johnfg | and how to fix it? |
| 22:41.44 | Sysaxed | oh, you're still discussing this problem :O |
| 22:41.47 | damarusama | rudi_s: there seems to be many report of that problem |
| 22:41.49 | fleeky | Sysaxed, yes |
| 22:41.52 | Sysaxed | please hl me when it gets fixed |
| 22:41.59 | fleeky | Sysaxed, k |
| 22:42.01 | Sysaxed | that's very interesting |
| 22:42.09 | damarusama | Sysaxed: found some forum post about it |
| 22:42.33 | damarusama | Sysaxed: most people re-install, some take few hours to manually clean up the libs.. |
| 22:43.25 | rudi_s | damarusama: Pure debian install or any foreign repos? |
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| 22:44.16 | Sysaxed | rudi_s, as far as I remember they're on multiarch |
| 22:44.27 | Sysaxed | rudi_s, and that's the only difference |
| 22:44.42 | rudi_s | Sysaxed: Multiarch just means multiple architectures. The question is if they use any non-debian repositories. |
| 22:44.47 | damarusama | rudi_s: http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=96879&hilit=kernel+panic |
| 22:45.28 | damarusama | rudi_s: the main problem seems to come from the libc6 which in my case comes from the debian repo |
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| 22:45.44 | rudi_s | damarusama: Well, if you mix repos that can cause other problems. |
| 22:46.33 | rudi_s | But one important point, you should perform updates in a virtual console (ctrl-alt-f1), not in X11. |
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| 22:47.01 | rudi_s | Reporting a bug for libc is of course the best bet. With enough details, and on a clean debian system ... |
| 22:47.30 | damarusama | rudi_s: in other word, I am on my own ;) |
| 22:47.46 | rudi_s | Btw. I've no idea what those "biarch" versions are about ... |
| 22:47.55 | rudi_s | damarusama: If you mix repositories, yes. |
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| 22:48.11 | rudi_s | johnfg: Try a different mirror? |
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| 22:51.31 | damarusama | hum I found the problem |
| 22:51.36 | fleeky | oh? |
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| 22:52.09 | damarusama | # upgrading from a pre-multiarch libc to a multiarch libc; we have |
| 22:52.10 | damarusama | # to blow away /etc/ld.so.cache, otherwise the old unpacked libc |
| 22:52.10 | damarusama | # is still first in the cache and segfaults when combined with |
| 22:52.12 | damarusama | # our newly-unpacked ld.so. |
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| 22:52.44 | fleeky | so we delete /etc/ld.so.cache |
| 22:52.44 | damarusama | but not the answer to that |
| 22:52.50 | fleeky | oh |
| 22:52.57 | damarusama | well then you cant run apt-get |
| 22:53.05 | damarusama | well maybe in your situation |
| 22:53.33 | damarusama | if you delete the /etc/ld.so.cache then when you run apt-get it lack library |
| 22:53.54 | damarusama | can I change the order of the package to be updated on a apt-get update ? |
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| 22:54.26 | jelly-home | damarusama: update just deals with package lists |
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| 22:54.39 | damarusama | I mean upgrade |
| 22:54.53 | jelly-home | !tell damarusama about bat |
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| 22:55.59 | damarusama | bat? |
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| 22:56.18 | jelly-home | damarusama: read what dpkg wrote to you in private message |
| 22:56.40 | damarusama | oups sry |
| 22:56.41 | d33tah | hi, i noticed something strange about my Python compilation in debian... |
| 22:56.49 | d33tah | somebody run valgrind python -c 'a = 1' |
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| 22:58.29 | rudi_s | d33tah: Ouch. On wheezy here, many invalid reads with python 2.7.3. |
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| 22:58.57 | d33tah | rudi_s: i hope it's not a security issue. don't you think it should get reported? |
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| 22:59.16 | d33tah | sorry, pressed a wrong button :P |
| 22:59.30 | d33tah | anyway, shouldn't it get reported? |
| 22:59.44 | rudi_s | d33tah: It should. Use reportbug and check if it's already known, if not please report it. |
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| 23:00.45 | johnfg | If I want to change from gdm to lxdm, how do I do it? |
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| 23:02.22 | d33tah | rudi_s: have a look here: http://osdir.com/ml/python.devel/2003-07/msg00058.html |
| 23:02.58 | d33tah | i think i'd better report it and get the report closed or not report and miss something potentially important. |
| 23:03.09 | johnfg | rudi_s: I downloaded one new key, and then aptitude upgrade was able to complete,but thanks for the suggestion. |
| 23:03.13 | rudi_s | d33tah: Yeah, I think so too. That's definately broken. |
| 23:03.25 | rudi_s | johnfg: You downloaded a new _key_? |
| 23:03.30 | johnfg | How do I switch dm's? |
| 23:03.46 | rudi_s | johnfg: Is lxdm in Debian? |
| 23:03.52 | d33tah | rudi_s: not definitely. but valgrind complains about 700kb of unfreed memory. doesn't sound too good. |
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| 23:04.05 | rudi_s | d33tah: The memory isn't the problem. The problem are the invalid read. |
| 23:04.10 | rudi_s | *reads. |
| 23:04.33 | d33tah | well |
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| 23:04.51 | d33tah | on one hand, memory shouldn't be a problem |
| 23:04.54 | rudi_s | Still reachable and possible lost memory are fine, because the problem is terminated anyway. |
| 23:05.05 | rudi_s | s/problem/program/ |
| 23:05.08 | d33tah | on other, quite a few of my apps use craploads of objects |
| 23:05.15 | rudi_s | And there's nothing lost. |
| 23:05.23 | d33tah | and nothing freed, possibly. |
| 23:05.25 | rudi_s | But invalid reads should never happen. |
| 23:05.25 | johnfg | rudi_s: No, my question was before checking, but it's what I run on the gentoo box; gdm on the others. |
| 23:05.33 | d33tah | rudi_s: and nothing freed, possibly. |
| 23:05.39 | d33tah | not until the process dies at least |
| 23:05.41 | johnfg | I suppose the closest would be lightdm. |
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| 23:06.12 | rudi_s | johnfg: Install it and either use something like startx or configure gdm to use it. |
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| 23:06.48 | johnfg | my problem, is that since I backported hplip & hplip-gui, due to a new printer, a bunch of gnome stuff was removed, and I'm now running lxde. |
| 23:07.18 | johnfg | gdm is still there, but regular gnome (for squeeze) won't start right. |
| 23:07.19 | rudi_s | d33tah: That's not a problem. Only lost memory is a problem. Still reachable means, the program could free it, but hasn't done it yet. That's fine, because the program is now exiting anyway. No need to call free() for all those objects if the kernel frees the complete address space. |
| 23:07.35 | rudi_s | johnfg: In that case, I'd just start it manually with e.g. startx. |
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| 23:07.46 | firztspawn | johnfg, cat /etc/X11/default-display-manager |
| 23:08.01 | johnfg | ya, I can do that if I have to. firztspawn: thanks! |
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| 23:09.10 | firztspawn | johnfg, theres a post here that might help: http://forum.lxde.org/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=31899 |
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| 23:11.22 | smallfoot- | How big is a small Debian install? |
| 23:11.35 | smallfoot- | like if you want just install a server on some small soc or sbc without x and shit |
| 23:11.37 | zinx | smallfoot-: How long is a short piece of string? |
| 23:11.40 | johnfg | firztspawn: I'm gonna check backports for lxdm. |
| 23:11.42 | smallfoot- | just a minimal install |
| 23:11.53 | smallfoot- | zinx, this long <---------> |
| 23:12.06 | smallfoot- | just a kernel, apt-get and openssh |
| 23:13.15 | rudi_s | smallfoot-: ~ 400 MB I'd guess. |
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| 23:13.33 | rudi_s | (The kernel need ~ 100 MiB alone.) |
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| 23:13.44 | smallfoot- | wow thats huge |
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| 23:14.32 | jelly-home | smallfoot-: how small a disk do you plan to install on? |
| 23:14.39 | smallfoot- | i thought kernel was around 20 mb |
| 23:14.49 | smallfoot- | 100 mb |
| 23:14.53 | zinx | debian kernels come with an initramfs and kernel modules for almost every system |
| 23:15.04 | zinx | with the specified architecture |
| 23:15.25 | smallfoot- | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 16M Mar 6 19:11 initrd.img-3.8.0-11-generic |
| 23:15.29 | zinx | so the package is fairly large, but you'll probably only use a fraction on it on any given machine |
| 23:15.32 | smallfoot- | -rw------- 1 root root 5.2M Mar 5 21:58 vmlinuz-3.8.0-11-generic |
| 23:15.43 | zinx | erh, of it |
| 23:15.46 | jelly-home | smallfoot-: look at the package installed size. |
| 23:15.57 | smallfoot- | idk how |
| 23:16.07 | d33tah | rudi_s: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=702675 |
| 23:16.12 | jelly-home | smallfoot-: on a Debian derivative, dpkg -s linux-image-3.8.0-11-generic |
| 23:16.24 | johnfg | apparently lxdm is not ported to debian (yet) |
| 23:16.41 | rudi_s | d33tah: Thanks for reporting. |
| 23:16.48 | d33tah | rudi_s: sure thing. |
| 23:17.00 | jpinx | johnfg: I use lxde with gdm |
| 23:17.27 | smallfoot- | jelly, Installed-Size: 32985 |
| 23:17.28 | jpinx | johnfg: I have used nodm as well . depends what you need |
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| 23:17.45 | johnfg | jpinx: If you look at the paste from rudi_s you'll see that a number of people (me included) would rather use another dm, but I guess that won't be lxdm. |
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| 23:19.10 | jelly-home | smallfoot-: that's 30M, then |
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| 23:19.22 | jpinx | johnfg: understood, lxdm has for some reason never been in debian, but I guess you could compile it yourself |
| 23:19.35 | jelly-home | smallfoot-: this means your distro doesn't put all the drivers into that package |
| 23:19.44 | smallfoot- | jelly, its ubuntu |
| 23:19.53 | JoeHazzers | is it possible for me to set up my machine in such a way that i can log on essentially as a "network" user, i.e. ldap authentication, nfs home directories and the like |
| 23:20.07 | JoeHazzers | but still be able to log on were i to say, not have access to the network? |
| 23:20.12 | jelly-home | smallfoot-: ok |
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| 23:21.02 | jpinx | JoeHazzers: you mean smething like ssh into the box? |
| 23:21.09 | JoeHazzers | er, no. |
| 23:21.12 | aminosso | what do you think off ? http://postimage.org/image/ootlffgk7/ |
| 23:21.36 | johnfg | jpinx: I just downloaded the source. May as well give it a shot, eh? |
| 23:21.57 | jpinx | johnfg: I'd be interested to know how you get on ;) |
| 23:22.15 | JoeHazzers | jpinx: take my desktop machine. when i log on, it would be nice to have my home directory be mounted as an NFS share from a remote machine, be authenticated by some method over the network, stuff like that. now, how do i implement that, but still be able to log in to that machine without a network connection? |
| 23:22.38 | synamics | Someone has a solve to AR928x problems? |
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| 23:25.37 | johnfg | lxdm needs gdk-2.0. What pkg gives me that? |
| 23:26.15 | rudi_s | johnfg: To build it? libgtk2.0-dev |
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| 23:27.10 | jpinx | johnfg: gtk ? |
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| 23:27.35 | johnfg | So, the gtk will build the gdk? |
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| 23:28.16 | rudi_s | gtk or gdk? |
| 23:28.58 | johnfg | gdk, and installing that library did the job. Now to make lxdm. |
| 23:29.26 | jpinx | !gdk |
| 23:29.26 | dpkg | hmm... gdk is probably related to GTK. General Drawing Kit |
| 23:29.38 | jpinx | !gtk |
| 23:29.38 | dpkg | GTK+ (GIMP Tool Kit) is cross-platform toolkit for creating graphical interfaces. GTK+ themes can be previewed and changed using the gtk-chtheme and gtk-theme-switch utilities. http://www.gtk.org/ #gtk+ on irc.gnome.org. |
| 23:29.49 | johnfg | That's done, and no errors. |
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| 23:30.41 | johnfg | I ran configure, per the INSTALL with --prefix=/usr --sysconfdir=/etc |
| 23:30.59 | johnfg | So, I guess I'll do the install, and then see if it works! |
| 23:31.03 | Nik05 | dont do --prefix=/usr |
| 23:31.05 | jelly-home | johnfg: it's not smart to install custom software into /usr |
| 23:31.12 | johnfg | Nik05: Why not? |
| 23:31.31 | johnfg | So, mebbe /usr/local? |
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| 23:31.33 | jelly-home | that namespace is reserved for packaged apps, johnfg |
| 23:31.34 | Nik05 | cause /usr is managed by debian, and your install can fuck everything up |
| 23:31.48 | Spektral | anyone here using ovh/kimsufi for their shit? |
| 23:31.53 | rudi_s | johnfg: Simplest solution is to not install it at ll or just in your home directory. |
| 23:32.04 | rudi_s | This way you don't have to compiler as root, which is another good thing. |
| 23:32.07 | Spektral | or know of a channel where some ppl might be who use them |
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| 23:32.12 | jelly-home | johnfg: that, or something like /opt/lxdm |
| 23:32.35 | jelly-home | rudi_s: he already does not have to compile as root, just install as root. |
| 23:32.36 | johnfg | jelly-home: Yeah, /opt has got its own partition with almost nothing in it. |
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| 23:33.01 | jelly-home | johnfg: see also: /msg dpkg stow |
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| 23:33.34 | rudi_s | jelly-home: True. |
| 23:34.27 | tim_ | So... my brother has gone and royally boned his installation and no longer seems to have an eth0 interface despite /etc/network/interfaces appearing normal. Is there any easy way to fix this? |
| 23:35.24 | johnfg | jelly-home: I'll check out stow. |
| 23:35.35 | smallfoot- | When will Debian do the /usr merge? |
| 23:35.47 | johnfg | smallfoot-: ? |
| 23:36.03 | smallfoot- | johnfg, yeah, move /bin /and lib/ to /usr like Fedora did |
| 23:36.05 | jelly-home | !wir |
| 23:36.05 | dpkg | methinks wir is When It's Ready. See also <rsn> and <siyh>. |
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| 23:36.54 | PryMar56 | tim_, if you see ethX in dmesg (X>0), then try edit/delete /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules |
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| 23:37.45 | johnfg | Have redhat and clones gone that root? |
| 23:37.50 | johnfg | No pun intended. |
| 23:39.00 | smallfoot- | I dont know |
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| 23:45.58 | jpinx | JohnDoh: did you get lxdm to work? |
| 23:46.19 | jpinx | Ooops - he's gone.... |
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| 23:53.09 | tim_ | PryMar56: Thanks for that. Deleted the file; but ifconfig still only shows an lo interface. |
| 23:55.31 | PryMar56 | tim_, ifup eth0 ... if no help, then pastebin `dmesg | grep -i eth ` |
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| 23:58.31 | tim_ | PryMar56: ifup eth0 said interface already configured; did ifdown and ifup again, but ifconfig still doesn't mention it... :\ |
| 23:58.48 | tim_ | PryMar56: Also, the pastebin will take a while (no Internet access and all. :P) |
| 23:59.33 | PryMar56 | tim_, as long as dmesg shows drivers are associated with eth0, then good to go |
| 23:59.49 | PryMar56 | or ethX |