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| 00:01.20 | tim_ | PryMar56: Yup. Waiting for him to send that down to me. :P |
| 00:01.46 | tim_ | (He's interstate, which makes not having an Internet connection a very painful experience. :) |
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| 00:02.05 | tim_ | Normally, I'd just ssh in and it would go a lot quicker. |
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| 00:12.14 | jpinx | how to see if my cpu supports pae -- before I upgrade to wheezy where it seems to be needed |
| 00:12.35 | zinx | ? |
| 00:12.47 | zinx | PAE is only needed to access more RAM on 32-bit machines |
| 00:12.52 | smallfoot- | jpinx, cat /proc/cpuinfo |
| 00:13.17 | smallfoot- | cat /proc/cpuinfo | grep pae |
| 00:13.22 | rudi_s | jpinx: And as zinx said, you only need PAE if you want to access more than 4 GiB on a 32 mit machine. |
| 00:13.52 | zinx | well it's actually more like 3-3.5GB depending on how much mmap'd IO there is |
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| 00:14.04 | zinx | maybe even 2G idk |
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| 00:16.22 | jpinx | the upgrade to wheezy appears to default to installing the .686-pae kernel - and then fails to configure it and tels me to install 486 |
| 00:16.23 | tim_ | PryMar56 et al: http://paste.debian.net/240709/ |
| 00:16.39 | tim_ | Looking at it, though, it looks fine. |
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| 00:17.22 | jpinx | smallfoot-: I see no reference to pae in that |
| 00:17.51 | jpinx | zinx: 2Gbs RAM here |
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| 00:18.04 | PryMar56 | tim_, have to say that (likely) udev didn't prevent the network connection |
| 00:18.21 | smallfoot- | jpinx, then you don't have PAE |
| 00:18.48 | smallfoot- | jpinx, my output is: flags: fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge mca ... |
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| 00:19.30 | zinx | jpinx: then you don't need pae |
| 00:19.42 | jpinx | smallfoot-: ok - I see that too flags : fpu vme de tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic...etc |
| 00:20.03 | jpinx | smallfoot-: didn't spot it under flags ;) |
| 00:20.03 | PryMar56 | tim_, e1000 driver should work fine if the */interfaces has a valid configuration |
| 00:20.48 | jpinx | so - my question ow is - why does the wheezy upgrade refuse to configure the 686.pae kernel on my box |
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| 00:21.40 | tim_ | PryMar56: Thanks; will see what I can do. |
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| 00:35.45 | ross_ | Hello is there a way to make some of the tty screens to open an terminal application on boot? |
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| 00:37.01 | tim_ | PryMar56 et al: Emptied /e/n/i and changed it to just 'auto eth0 allow-hotplug eth0 iface eth0 inet dhcp' but still nothing in ifconfig. There is something I'm missing here, right? |
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| 00:43.29 | qweasdzxc | test |
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| 00:44.33 | jpinx | qweasdzxc: fail |
| 00:45.49 | qweasdzxc | jpinx Why do a fail |
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| 00:49.11 | Towzzer | I saw your test, so it's a sucess :D |
| 00:49.17 | synamics | Someone has a solve to AR928x problems? |
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| 00:55.54 | qweasdzxc | I Have a bot logging everything on this channel tailing the the log parsing out the messages and piping them thou espeak text to speach |
| 00:56.50 | phogg | qweasdzxc: that sounds like an annoying and bad idea |
| 00:57.19 | Towzzer | Do I sound cool on the text to speech app? |
| 00:57.31 | Towzzer | I want to be voiced by harrison ford please |
| 00:57.34 | QuickQuestion | Hey all, quick question. I'm installing debian on my second hard drive that is identical in size and brand to my primary one. The second is empty with a partition of unallocated space ready for debian. How will I know which hard drive to select during the installation? |
| 00:58.00 | Towzzer | the order in the bios usually determines the letter assignment by debian |
| 00:58.08 | qweasdzxc | You should play with espeak apt-get install espeak |
| 00:58.10 | Towzzer | you can also go into a shell and check the serial number |
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| 00:59.02 | QuickQuestion | Thank you Towzzer, I'll make a note of the serial numbers before I start |
| 00:59.37 | QuickQuestion | It'll be hda and hdb right? |
| 01:00.05 | Towzzer | for ide drives |
| 01:00.14 | Towzzer | if it's sata or scsi it will be sda sdb |
| 01:01.27 | QuickQuestion | Ok great! One final question, will it display how much memory is taken on each one at all or is there a way of finding that out? |
| 01:01.35 | reavengrey | if it's usb uda and udb? |
| 01:02.14 | Towzzer | you guys are very funny |
| 01:02.28 | Towzzer | df is the command for disk usage |
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| 01:03.27 | QuickQuestion | Alright, thanks for the answers :) I hope all goes well |
| 01:03.34 | QuickQuestion | Goodbye |
| 01:03.44 | Towzzer | i'm sure it will |
| 01:03.47 | Towzzer | debian is awesome |
| 01:03.52 | Towzzer | it's like 3.5 times better than redhat |
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| 01:06.57 | qweasdzxc | Does freenode allow the use of bots? |
| 01:07.54 | Towzzer | http://freenode.net/policy.shtml |
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| 01:09.16 | tim_ | PryMar56 et al: For what it's worth, I think that he killed his DHCP client. |
| 01:09.43 | Towzzer | hey tim |
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| 01:11.49 | tim_ | Towzzer: Hello. |
| 01:12.05 | Towzzer | timmah! |
| 01:12.10 | Towzzer | or is that a bit dated |
| 01:12.38 | qweasdzxc | i ____ _ _ Err uberpurple.com 70 i / ___| ___ _ __ | |__ ___ _ __ _ __ _ _ _ __ _ __ | | ___ Err uberpurple.com 70 i| | _ / _ \| '_ \| '_ \ / _ \ '__| '_ \| | | | '__| '_ \| |/ _ \ Err uberpurple.com 70 i| |_| | (_) | |_) | | | | __/ | | |_) | |_| | | | |_) | | __/ Err uberpurple.com 70 i \____|\___/| .__/|_| |_|\___|_| | . |
| 01:12.43 | Towzzer | oh, that wasn't nice |
| 01:13.45 | reavengrey | welp |
| 01:13.46 | reavengrey | gg |
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| 01:19.30 | tim_ | Towzzer: I don't get it. |
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| 01:20.21 | jpinx | tim_: maybe reconfigure it with dpkg |
| 01:20.44 | Towzzer | south park |
| 01:20.54 | rryoumaa | that was garbled and it looks like an ad |
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| 01:22.58 | qweasdzxc | What is this http://uberpurple.com:70/ What is the gopher ? |
| 01:23.57 | rww | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gopher_%28protocol%29 |
| 01:24.14 | rww | and thus you using http:// there was a bit inaccurate :) |
| 01:24.38 | jelly-home | qweasdzxc: is that your site? You already pasted a line with some ascii crap with that domain name repeated a number of times. |
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| 01:25.50 | qweasdzxc | No its not my site but when you connect to port 70 via netcat it displays that ascii banner |
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| 01:29.57 | jtri | hello, i'm installing debian for first time, on lenovo 440128U |
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| 01:30.25 | jtri | wondering which image to download, is it the ia64? |
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| 01:30.38 | Towzzer | no |
| 01:30.41 | Towzzer | amd64 |
| 01:30.54 | jtri | ah, intel and amd are same? |
| 01:31.01 | jtri | it's an i5 dual core |
| 01:31.18 | jtri | amd is architechture, intel follows it? |
| 01:31.53 | rudi_s | jtri: Yes. |
| 01:32.16 | rudi_s | (Because itanium, ia64, wasn't really successful.) |
| 01:32.22 | jtri | the install instructions link doesn't work for amd64!? |
| 01:32.38 | jtri | says page not found... |
| 01:32.38 | rudi_s | jtri: Link? |
| 01:33.03 | jtri | http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/kfreebsd-amd64/ |
| 01:33.28 | rudi_s | jtri: Wrong one. (But it should still work.) |
| 01:33.52 | rudi_s | jtri: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ |
| 01:34.17 | jtri | thanks |
| 01:34.42 | rudi_s | np, kfreebsd is based on BSD, not Linux (and not stable yet). |
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| 01:37.32 | jtri | i see, i was running arch for the last 1.5 years |
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| 01:38.01 | jtri | i liked it, but get annoyed with the updates |
| 01:38.19 | jtri | especially the dmsg one for example |
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| 01:40.13 | rudi_s | jtri: Well, Debian is stable - if you can live with the older packages ;-) |
| 01:40.55 | jtri | it's a good question, is chrome native? |
| 01:41.04 | rudi_s | jtri: Native? |
| 01:41.23 | jtri | um, it was only available in the AUR (arch user repository) when i first started using arch |
| 01:41.38 | jtri | so it didn't have everything super up to date either |
| 01:41.47 | rudi_s | jtri: chrome is non-free, but chromium is in Debian. |
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| 01:42.16 | rudi_s | But the version in squeeze (the current stable) is quite old. |
| 01:42.20 | jtri | chromium is non-free? or is there something called chrome? |
| 01:42.34 | rudi_s | chrome is non-free, chromium is free. |
| 01:44.49 | jtri | the thing that triggered me to consider debian is that i ran out of room on root patition with arch... mistake in sizing on install |
| 01:44.55 | exynosocta | chromium is a handicap chrome |
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| 01:45.45 | rww | chrome is chromium with silly non-free silliness |
| 01:45.54 | rudi_s | jtri: Simplest solution for that is to just use a separate /home. |
| 01:45.56 | rww | and as far as partitions go, I just use one. or LVM. |
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| 01:46.23 | tim_ | So, it looks like we got the interface configured using ifconfig eth0 addr/netmask x; but we can't ping its own address, let alone anything else. What did I eff up? |
| 01:48.11 | cp84 | tim_? |
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| 01:49.08 | zenlunatic | whats the recommended way of installing kde on wheezy without installing gnome default? just skip tasksel [desktop], then install kde-full post-install? |
| 01:51.03 | rww | put "desktop=kde" at the boot prompt when starting the installer |
| 01:51.29 | rww | (then select "Desktop environment" in tasksel as normal) |
| 01:52.22 | zenlunatic | awesome. thanks. |
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| 01:53.02 | tim_ | cp84: Yeah? |
| 01:53.50 | cp84 | u said it cant ping itself? |
| 01:54.01 | cp84 | as in localhost? |
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| 01:55.00 | calvin_ | at Mar 9 15:17:01 2013 |
| 01:55.01 | calvin_ | Sat Mar 9 15:17:01 PST 2013 |
| 01:55.05 | calvin_ | whoops |
| 01:55.07 | tim_ | cp84: Ah; as in ifconfig eth0 addr 10.0.0.5; ping 10.0.0.5; 100% loss. |
| 01:56.01 | cp84 | hm |
| 01:56.53 | tim_ | I suspect that it may be because I still have eth0 references in /e/n/i and then did ifconfig on it? |
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| 02:05.23 | somiaj | tim_: sounds like a configuration issue, could you have another interface that it is using for the default route? |
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| 02:06.43 | oeai | hi, anybody knows about boot-disc-loading: aborted issue? https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+question/167836 - described here |
| 02:07.48 | oeai | i got two machines and they are both not loading disc |
| 02:08.02 | oeai | deb 6 and 7 |
| 02:08.28 | oeai | isolinux is there |
| 02:08.54 | oeai | and i got another @antivirus disc that is loading at the same time |
| 02:09.10 | oeai | but other distro with isolinux is not loading too |
| 02:09.42 | oeai | amd9500+4Gb & amd1666+1Gb |
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| 02:10.05 | oeai | sata+ide & ide-only |
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| 02:12.22 | oeai | not loading only from dvd-rom i've used 4 different discs |
| 02:12.37 | oeai | usb stick is loading fine |
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| 02:13.14 | tim_ | somiaj: Will find out in about half an hour. Thanks. |
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| 02:14.02 | cryosphere | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:14.09 | cryosphere | so instead of being mounted where I wanted (/usr/local) |
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| 02:14.16 | cryosphere | t was never mounted |
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| 02:14.22 | cryosphere | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:14.31 | cryosphere | im thinking, 1. mount /dev/sda2 /media/temp |
| 02:14.38 | cryosphere | 2. cp /usr/local /media/temp |
| 02:14.45 | cryosphere | 3. fix stab |
| 02:14.54 | cryosphere | 4. reboot |
| 02:15.04 | cryosphere | does that sound right? |
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| 02:16.14 | cryosphere | also - what happens to files on the ssd that used to be in /usr/local once I reboot |
| 02:16.28 | Spektral | lol wtf |
| 02:16.31 | Spektral | 06:14:03pm] aLlpFESC25236: ** Our Best Products! **Vigara- 0.87$ Levtira- 1.90$ Cilais- 1.88$ Female Vigara- 1.96$ Family Pack- 2.39$ Professional Pack- 3.67$etc.** Your Gain! **~ Lowest prices~ Top quality on the internet~ FDA approved goods~ Official distributors~ Unmarked parcel~ Worldwide trackable shipping~ All type of products in one place~ Gifts and discounts~ Next day fast shipping |
| 02:16.32 | Spektral | for American customers ~NEW! |
| 02:16.35 | Spektral | anyone get this pm? |
| 02:16.43 | Spektral | never seen spammy bs like that on fn |
| 02:16.50 | Spektral | its a bot obv |
| 02:17.01 | cryosphere | wtf is this |
| 02:17.07 | Spektral | thats what i said |
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| 02:17.10 | Spektral | i connected |
| 02:17.13 | Spektral | and got pm'd that |
| 02:17.20 | Spektral | other nets i sometimes see bs like that |
| 02:17.22 | cryosphere | nope |
| 02:17.25 | Spektral | never before on freenode though |
| 02:17.34 | Spektral | weird aye |
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| 02:17.37 | Spektral | need an oper |
| 02:17.42 | Spektral | ill trace that fucker |
| 02:17.48 | cryosphere | but I only stay connected long enough to get and give some programming help |
| 02:18.09 | Spektral | oh i just meant if there's an oper he can /whowas it |
| 02:18.11 | Spektral | and give me an ip |
| 02:18.13 | Spektral | and ill trace it |
| 02:18.20 | Spektral | and find out where it came from |
| 02:18.28 | Spektral | even get a location if they want |
| 02:18.48 | cryosphere | did you see my question, any thoughts? |
| 02:19.02 | Spektral | im no hacker, im into security, i know how to trace from tracing ppl who have bf and ddos attacked my vps's/dedis before |
| 02:19.09 | Spektral | oh no, i just joined |
| 02:19.12 | Spektral | didnt look like it |
| 02:19.14 | Spektral | cuz im on znc |
| 02:19.17 | Spektral | but i just connected |
| 02:19.23 | Towzzer | HACKER! |
| 02:19.27 | Spektral | lol |
| 02:19.29 | Spektral | no |
| 02:19.30 | Towzzer | sorry |
| 02:19.35 | Towzzer | you even have a hacker nick |
| 02:19.52 | Towzzer | what's your real name? Lord Viper Scorpian? |
| 02:19.53 | Spektral | but any good security expert is gonna keep up on expliots/hax/virii |
| 02:20.00 | Spektral | otherwise, u'll get owned |
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| 02:20.06 | Spektral | so u just gotta know about them |
| 02:20.10 | Spektral | not use them though |
| 02:20.12 | cryosphere | cryosphere> i messed up on my fstab, indicated wrong fs for my /dev/sda2 |
| 02:20.12 | cryosphere | <cryosphere> so instead of being mounted where I wanted (/usr/local) |
| 02:20.12 | cryosphere | * vrkalak (~vrkalak@67.41.13.151) has joined #debian |
| 02:20.12 | cryosphere | <cryosphere> t was never mounted |
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| 02:20.13 | Spektral | and hacker nick ? lmao |
| 02:20.21 | Spektral | this nick, is my music producer alias |
| 02:20.22 | Spektral | :P |
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| 02:20.29 | cryosphere | * Obi is now known as Spektral |
| 02:20.30 | cryosphere | <cryosphere> does that sound right? |
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| 02:20.43 | cryosphere | <cryosphere> also - what happens to files on the ssd that used to be in /usr/local once I reboot |
| 02:20.44 | cryosphere | sorry |
| 02:20.47 | cryosphere | http://pastebin.com/vYWXhxqD |
| 02:20.49 | cryosphere | didnt mean to flood |
| 02:21.00 | tjiggi_fo | heh |
| 02:21.09 | Towzzer | what just happened |
| 02:21.11 | Spektral | wait, files dissapear from /usr/local after a reboot? |
| 02:21.19 | Spektral | never had that happen before for me |
| 02:21.23 | Spektral | i keep alot of shit in there |
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| 02:21.25 | Towzzer | did his flooding scroll of my awesome joke about spektral's name |
| 02:21.31 | Spektral | like scripts for user and root logins |
| 02:21.42 | Spektral | well not that awesome :p |
| 02:21.49 | cryosphere | no |
| 02:21.50 | Spektral | i think |
| 02:21.54 | Spektral | u can troll me better |
| 02:21.56 | Spektral | if u tried |
| 02:21.57 | Spektral | :P |
| 02:21.58 | cryosphere | /usr/local didnot disappear |
| 02:22.09 | Spektral | im untrollable though |
| 02:22.15 | Spektral | so good person to practice on :P |
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| 02:22.39 | tjiggi_fo | crack my sides |
| 02:22.49 | Spektral | looks like i dont need to reimage my vps |
| 02:22.50 | Spektral | yays |
| 02:23.00 | Spektral | shit is working again it seems |
| 02:23.39 | cryosphere | any takers? |
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| 02:25.14 | Spektral | ill look at ur pastebin in a min |
| 02:25.16 | Spektral | im like |
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| 02:25.23 | p3rror | hello |
| 02:25.24 | Spektral | doing major vps and dedi work atm |
| 02:25.29 | tjiggi_fo | cryosphere, can't you just use a live cd to fix your fstab? |
| 02:25.39 | Spektral | ssh into like 4 boxes, chking if 1 is working and talking to my gf |
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| 02:25.45 | Spektral | while resetting up her zncs |
| 02:25.47 | Spektral | lol |
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| 02:26.50 | cryosphere | tjiggi_fo: I can fix fstab fine, I´m not modifing my boot partition |
| 02:27.13 | cryosphere | this is essentially not an fstab issue |
| 02:28.31 | cryosphere | its an issue of what happens to /somefolder that used to be on /dev/sdb1 when I for some reason decide to mount /dev/sda2 on /somefolder |
| 02:28.57 | cryosphere | specifically is the procedure I describe the correct way to accomplish this |
| 02:29.21 | cryosphere | and what happens on the files that physically resided on /dev/sdb1:/somefolder |
| 02:29.29 | tjiggi_fo | k, you lost me |
| 02:29.56 | cryosphere | its fine, nevermind |
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| 02:31.29 | mikehaas763 | So I'm using puppet with vagrant. All of a sudden when I run a vagrant up, I get this error: Err http://security.debian.org/ squeeze/updates/main apache2.2-bin amd64 2.2.16-6+squeeze10 |
| 02:31.29 | mikehaas763 | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:31.40 | mikehaas763 | Any idea why? |
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| 02:38.54 | oeai | oh, i found the solution, for my case - the isolinux has loaded but the menu is disappearing, so i got the prompt |boot: and i've typed |help| and i got the response, so it's not bios - it is probably rendering of some menu |
| 02:39.28 | oeai | so it's up for dev-team |
| 02:39.36 | oeai | and testing |
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| 02:42.05 | oeai | i think it's because of some image rendering error of boot-menu |
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| 02:49.45 | jelly-home | mikehaas763: something, somewhere, is missing an apt-get update |
| 02:50.00 | jelly-home | mikehaas763: that version is out of date |
| 02:50.04 | Towzzer | hey jelly |
| 02:50.07 | jelly-home | ,v apache2.2-bin |
| 02:50.08 | judd | Package: apache2.2-bin on i386 -- lenny-backports: 2.2.16-6+squeeze4~bpo50+1; squeeze-security: 2.2.16-6+squeeze7; squeeze: 2.2.16-6+squeeze10; squeeze-proposed-updates: 2.2.16-6+squeeze11; squeeze-security: 2.2.16-6+squeeze11; wheezy: 2.2.22-12; sid: 2.2.22-13; experimental: 2.4.4-2 |
| 02:50.55 | jelly-home | Towzzer: hi |
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| 02:53.13 | jpinx | ok - so upgrading to wheezy tells me my cpu doesn't want kernel-686-pae and I should install 486. I did that and tried to remove 686 (as per the instructions) but it refuses to remove |
| 02:53.56 | mikehaas763 | jelly-home, ah I see. Thanks |
| 02:54.08 | Towzzer | doom2 runs nicely on a 486-dx2 100mhz |
| 02:54.52 | jelly-home | jpinx: first install the -486 one |
| 02:55.27 | jpinx | jelly-home: did that |
| 02:55.29 | jelly-home | jpinx: then follow "/msg dpkg bat" about the failed uninstallation |
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| 02:55.39 | jpinx | ah - ok :) |
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| 03:04.27 | jelly-home | did you reboot into that 486 kernel first to see if it works? |
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| 03:13.56 | cryosphere | ok Im going to ask my question again: http://pastebin.com/vYWXhxqD |
| 03:14.55 | twmb | What Iso do I download? |
| 03:14.59 | twmb | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.7/i386/bt-dvd/ |
| 03:15.08 | twmb | There are 8 iso images and 2 update iso images |
| 03:17.16 | zxc | the first one is usually enough |
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| 03:25.33 | twmb | I can use UNetBootIn with the ISO I get from this torrent, right? |
| 03:25.41 | twmb | And can I use preseed files with that? |
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| 03:26.05 | twmb | (I'm having trouble with Ubuntu, time to try debian... need multiple OS's for a project) |
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| 03:29.01 | thoonai | hey |
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| 03:29.33 | cryosphere | how do I do hard drive allocation analysis for a specific device |
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| 03:30.04 | cryosphere | i can do it for the entire file system with the gnome "disk usage analyzer" |
| 03:30.08 | thoonai | someone using openfire? tried to install it via 'dpkg --install packetname.deb' and run through with warning about homefolder doesnt belong to user im crearing |
| 03:30.15 | thoonai | and then nothing happens |
| 03:30.23 | cryosphere | or for a specific folder, but a specific device |
| 03:30.41 | thoonai | cryosphere: you can usr ncdu |
| 03:30.52 | thoonai | *use |
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| 03:32.44 | cryosphere | thoonai: don't see a flag to indicate a specific device in man |
| 03:32.57 | qweasdzxc | alias add test "echo \"bla \\\"moo\\\" bla\"" |
| 03:33.18 | cryosphere | everything seems to be oriented by directory |
| 03:33.25 | cryosphere | not device |
| 03:33.51 | cryosphere | and yes I know how to see which folder are on what device, but thats a different point |
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| 03:34.30 | thoonai | cryosphere: then im sorry |
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| 03:34.38 | thoonai | struggling myself with openfire |
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| 03:38.43 | SmashingX_ | hey guys, somebody that can help me please, I have installed debian but then after I restart the system it says that it can't find anything to boot up, any ideas? |
| 03:39.34 | remote | SmashingX_: the boot loader was not installed correctly or it's not trying to boot from the device where it's installed |
| 03:39.50 | SmashingX_ | how can I fix that? |
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| 03:40.18 | kondor_ | Select your hard drive had in the bios as default |
| 03:40.29 | SmashingX_ | Is selected already |
| 03:41.13 | SmashingX_ | In fact I can only start the new installed system only if I use the live dvd and select start from hard drive |
| 03:41.22 | SmashingX_ | otherwise I can't |
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| 03:42.46 | tjiggi_fo | SmashingX_ :http://wiki.debian.org/GrubRecover |
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| 03:44.14 | SmashingX_ | I tried that already |
| 03:44.21 | SmashingX_ | and the grub recover didn't fail |
| 03:44.28 | SmashingX_ | I just says it was installed |
| 03:44.36 | SmashingX_ | but then nothing happens |
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| 03:45.37 | tjiggi_fo | SmashingX_, do you get to see the Debian splash screen? |
| 03:45.47 | SmashingX_ | I don't |
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| 03:46.03 | SmashingX_ | all I see is a screen telling me to choose where to boot |
| 03:46.06 | kondor_ | ## /msg kondor Internet dns google.com |
| 03:46.07 | kondor | kondor_: Error: "#" is not a valid command. |
| 03:46.12 | SmashingX_ | I select hard drive |
| 03:46.22 | tjiggi_fo | do you see the Grub menu? |
| 03:46.32 | SmashingX_ | and then it doesn't do anything and then it asks me the same question |
| 03:46.35 | SmashingX_ | I don't see the grub menu |
| 03:46.48 | SmashingX_ | only if I use the live-dvd |
| 03:47.10 | SmashingX_ | and if I choose boot from harddrive |
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| 03:47.20 | SmashingX_ | it says welcome to grub, etc. |
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| 03:48.30 | tjiggi_fo | which debian version did you install? |
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| 03:50.30 | SmashingX_ | latest |
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| 03:54.04 | thoonai | the openfire init.d script doesn't match to the names of the jvms |
| 03:54.21 | thoonai | someone here willing to aid a n00b? |
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| 03:55.19 | Towzzer | what do you mean doesn't match |
| 03:55.50 | thoonai | second |
| 03:55.59 | thoonai | I'm pasting it ^^ |
| 03:57.00 | thoonai | http://pastebin.com/yacwP9vS |
| 03:57.14 | thoonai | this is the openfire init.d script |
| 03:57.26 | thoonai | I changed the -common already |
| 03:58.22 | thoonai | http://pastebin.com/CcrY5kjZ |
| 03:58.34 | thoonai | this is the content of the wanted directory |
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| 04:01.09 | thoonai | Towzzer: ? |
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| 04:07.35 | thoonai | meh |
| 04:07.47 | thoonai | strace casts so many lines :( |
| 04:08.01 | Towzzer | sorry, i'm going through stuff |
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| 04:08.54 | Towzzer | oh , the directory names of java |
| 04:09.08 | Towzzer | looks like they are covering a bunch |
| 04:09.23 | Towzzer | I would just add your directory to that list |
| 04:09.25 | Towzzer | that how it works |
| 04:09.32 | Towzzer | it's searching for the proper location |
| 04:09.51 | Towzzer | but also you can set JAVA_HOME to your home directory |
| 04:09.55 | Towzzer | then it will work awesom |
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| 04:12.15 | Towzzer | damn , he didn't wait 1 more minute :D |
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| 04:13.33 | holms | woshty: what ze fucking nah |
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| 04:14.50 | thoonai | Towzzer: I'm sorry |
| 04:15.38 | thoonai | Towzzer: I did changed it already :( |
| 04:16.05 | thoonai | Towzzer: and its not working :( |
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| 04:16.43 | thoonai | Towzzer: openfire is quite curious |
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| 04:19.08 | thoonai | Towzzer: i'll go to bed now for getting some sleep, I try to get it running tomorrow |
| 04:19.17 | thoonai | Towzzer: thanks and good luck |
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| 04:30.14 | kazak | Hi |
| 04:30.33 | kazak | I want install debian for torrent but rederecting this page http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.7/i386/bt-cd/ |
| 04:31.19 | kazak | Which I must download? |
| 04:31.27 | kazak | I'm noob. |
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| 04:32.47 | fcwlxd | kazak: CD-1 or other types. |
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| 04:38.03 | amigamia | hi everyone. i need a clarification i think. i have used debian before and i dropped it basically because it was not what i was used to when using ubuntu. however, i have concluded that i need to use debian because i want a specific desktop experience. does debian still use or work with gnome 2? where you can have an top panel and a lower panel? that is what i really prefer. |
| 04:38.31 | twmb | so is the debian install supposed to be 6gb? |
| 04:39.06 | amigamia | since ubuntu is dumping support for 10.04 i have to get with something that maintains my preference for desktop and isnt just dumped for support so to speak. |
| 04:39.10 | amit^ | amigamia: Debian has gnome 2 with top panel unlike gnome3 which is sidewards |
| 04:39.11 | amigamia | no |
| 04:39.23 | amigamia | twmb you can be selective in the install |
| 04:39.39 | twmb | I just used the disk 1 .torrent |
| 04:40.11 | amit^ | amigamia: go for debian. Ubuntu is not secure I think as its a commercial OS, so they migth be logging your os activities and sending data to their servers. GNU linux is a free os with no spyware. |
| 04:40.12 | amigamia | amit^ ahh ok. i was not 100% sure but i wanted to verify it cause i use linux on all my working environments. |
| 04:41.04 | amigamia | amit` yes i read about that and actually my friend was banned from #ubuntu for stating it and was told to stop it but he kept on askingn about it and was just banned. |
| 04:41.05 | amit^ | amigamia: But beware that some drivers may not work straight and you might have to install them manually. |
| 04:41.12 | amigamia | this was about a month ago |
| 04:41.45 | amigamia | amit^ i experienced that with the wireless card and i did follow the instructions to install it and it did work! |
| 04:41.50 | thoonai | amit^: please inform yourself before talking things which ar maybe wrong |
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| 04:41.54 | thoonai | *e |
| 04:42.29 | twmb | Alright, so I put the debian .iso on a pen drive using UNetBootIn and am trying to use a custom seed file |
| 04:42.31 | amit^ | amigamia: Then you're all set. Usually the OS works on most hardware configurations. |
| 04:43.01 | twmb | so I hit esc and at boot: I wrote "install auto=true priority=critical url=http://my.url.edu/seed.file" |
| 04:43.06 | thoonai | amit^: in contrary to debian ubuntu don't want to get your package preferences to collect |
| 04:43.15 | twmb | and the message I get is invalid or corrupt image |
| 04:43.17 | twmb | ...why?! |
| 04:43.22 | g0dfrey | v subversion |
| 04:43.23 | amit^ | thoonai: What do you mean? |
| 04:44.04 | thoonai | ubuntu is as free as debian |
| 04:44.16 | amit^ | thoonai: There are some data collection packages like kerneloops which I had removed. |
| 04:44.35 | thoonai | amit^: which? |
| 04:44.40 | amigamia | one question i dont really understand is when you install from the shell. i had difficulties in having the new app to appear in the menu. i do have a debian serveer that we use for specific tasks, but i prefer gui on my desktop. i dont know why i cant get apps to appear in the menus usually when installing? |
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| 04:45.14 | mikehaas763 | Does anyone know what /var/lock/apache2 is for? |
| 04:45.59 | amigamia | thoonai they did have a big publication about ubuntu collecting data and passing it along. i read about it and i think the EFF or whatever it is called was notified and it was a rather big deal. |
| 04:46.22 | amigamia | but that isnt my problem. |
| 04:46.26 | thoonai | okay |
| 04:46.43 | amit^ | amigamia: EFF is part of those data collection companies. |
| 04:47.14 | LtL | g0dfrey: /msg judd ,v subversion |
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| 04:47.29 | amigamia | amit^ well...they still do support "hackers" and others who are "educating" themselves. or atleast they did along time ago.. |
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| 04:47.48 | LtL | g0dfrey: /msg judd ,v subversion --arch=amd64 |
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| 04:47.58 | amigamia | back in the BBS daze anyway |
| 04:48.04 | amit^ | There is lot of support for ubuntu as well as for debian. Ubuntu is targeted at newbies |
| 04:48.14 | jpinx | I have a eeepc which according to /proc/cpu-info has a pae cpu, but upgrading to wheezy is failing and claiming I must go back to kernal-486. I hope this is enough info on the erros ... http://paste.debian.net/240726/ |
| 04:48.15 | amigamia | it is a fabulous environment. |
| 04:48.40 | amigamia | i used it since it first showed up. i was afraid of debian back then :) |
| 04:48.52 | thoonai | amit^: amigamia its about unity and dash m( |
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| 04:49.08 | amit^ | thoonai: Oh I see |
| 04:49.11 | thoonai | I think both things are horrible |
| 04:49.12 | jpinx | liable might know ;) |
| 04:49.25 | amigamia | thoonai that is why i cant work with ubuntu anymore. |
| 04:49.43 | amigamia | 11.01 was a monster |
| 04:49.53 | thoonai | amit^: it makes a difference between judging the whole system or a singular application |
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| 04:49.58 | twmb | any help on my seed issue? |
| 04:50.06 | amigamia | i agree |
| 04:50.10 | thoonai | 11.04 was the last good one |
| 04:50.19 | thoonai | in my opinion |
| 04:50.36 | amigamia | i still have hoary cd's :) |
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| 04:51.01 | amigamia | twmb you cant find a seed for your torrent? |
| 04:51.12 | thoonai | in my oppinion debain packages are to old and I don't want to live on the bleeding edge. So im using ubuntu und my desktop and debain on the servers |
| 04:51.17 | twmb | oh no I'm talking preseed file |
| 04:51.23 | twmb | for auto installation |
| 04:51.28 | twmb | every time I try it it messes up |
| 04:51.29 | amigamia | :) |
| 04:51.39 | amigamia | haha |
| 04:51.46 | amigamia | i'm sorry |
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| 04:52.20 | amit^ | I'm going offline . Enough for the weekend. |
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| 04:52.29 | amigamia | chao and thanks |
| 04:52.31 | thoonai | amit^: hf |
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| 04:53.13 | amit^ | thoonai: Bye |
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| 05:08.00 | thoonai | im off myself |
| 05:08.04 | thoonai | bye |
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| 05:17.46 | boudiccas | how do i change the default of my sound card from hdmi to hw1 please? |
| 05:21.51 | mikehaas763 | When I change the apache user (my editing /etc/apache2/envvars) I then get an error on apache start because it is the wrong user for /var/lock/apache2, what would be the proper way to fix this? |
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| 05:23.26 | Rusty1_ | mikehaas763, there is #httpd channel if nobody here can help |
| 05:23.46 | mikehaas763 | I know, I figured /var/lock/apache2 was more of a system issue |
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| 05:45.28 | rwp | mikehaas763, Which version? Squeeze or Wheezy/Sid? /var is a tmpfs in Wheezy. |
| 05:45.43 | rwp | mikehaas763, /var/lock is basically a tmp directory with the sticky bit set. |
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| 05:45.56 | mikehaas763 | rwp, squeeze |
| 05:45.58 | rwp | mikehaas763, If you change the apache user then you need to change the ownership of the lock file too. |
| 05:46.18 | rwp | Then you will need to either change the lock directory or remove it manually. |
| 05:46.24 | rwp | Why do you want to change the apache user? |
| 05:46.40 | mikehaas763 | rwp, it's for dev purposes because I'm using vagrant |
| 05:46.50 | mikehaas763 | It's not for production |
| 05:47.17 | mikehaas763 | I wonder if it would be best to change the dir permissions or just delete the dir and let it be recreated at some point (using puppet) |
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| 05:47.21 | rwp | I am not familiar with vagrant. But it seems odd to me. |
| 05:47.55 | rwp | If apache is stopped then deleting the /var/lock/apache2 directory should be okay and it will be recreated at start. I think. |
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| 05:48.40 | mikehaas763 | vagrant makes virtualization with dev environments really easy. However, your files remain on the host machine and the vagrant guest sees them through a shared folder. Well, I can set permissions (acl or not) through the virtual machine in that case.) So I just switch the apache user and then it has permissions to certain dirs |
| 05:49.08 | andkore | does anyone know of a good Windows explorer-type program for Linux? I fully appreciate the efficiency of doing a lot of things from the command line, but I find that having a graphical representation of files and being able to manipulate them through a graphical interface is better in some circumstances. I'd also like to be able to have icons on my (Openbox) desktop |
| 05:49.13 | mikehaas763 | rwp, in my test permissions it does work.. whether apache is running or stopped actually. I've just gotta figure out what way puppet likes better |
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| 05:49.44 | andkore | I wasn't very impressed with nautilus |
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| 05:50.00 | rwp | If it is running then apache will have a system semaphore lock on that directory. You can definitely still remove it. But then you could end up with two processes running. |
| 05:50.19 | rwp | Because the second will create the directory again and avoid the first lock on it. |
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| 05:50.48 | mikehaas763 | hmm, ok. I think I will just change the file permissions |
| 05:50.49 | rwp | andkore, "nautilus" from GNOME? GNOME 2 or GNOME 3? |
| 05:51.04 | andkore | rwp: honestly I'm not sure. I think 3 |
| 05:51.11 | andkore | is there a significant difference? |
| 05:51.15 | rwp | File owner. Not permission. The owner will be the previous www-data. |
| 05:51.44 | mikehaas763 | that's what I meant |
| 05:51.51 | mikehaas763 | lol |
| 05:52.02 | rwp | A significant difference between GNOME 2 and 3? In a very small word. *YES* Huge differences. They were rewritten. They bear no resemblance to each other. |
| 05:52.39 | andkore | so nautilus is the closest thing to windows explorer? |
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| 05:52.58 | rwp | That difference has people up in arms against the GNOME developers for abandoning them. |
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| 05:53.23 | andkore | yeah, I've heard about that. MATE, etc |
| 05:53.26 | mikehaas763 | andkore, the new nautilus is definitely a work in progress |
| 05:53.30 | rwp | I don't know. There are a lot of different graphical file managers. You might look at Thunar from XFCE. Or the "gentoo" file browser. And there are tens more. |
| 05:53.47 | andkore | yeah, I've looked at Thunar. they all just have a very clunky feel |
| 05:54.01 | andkore | like even the icons are not as readable as the icons on windows |
| 05:54.50 | rwp | I am not a good person to give you recommendations on graphical mouse interfaces. I don't really use the mouse. I am old school and use the keyboard for everything. Sorry. |
| 05:54.51 | mikehaas763 | and you don't like MATE? |
| 05:54.57 | Coweater | use a different icon theme |
| 05:55.06 | andkore | Coweater: yeah, I suppose I should try that out |
| 05:55.23 | andkore | mikehaas763: I tried Nautilus. I didn't think MATE would be much different. |
| 05:55.32 | andkore | or whatever MATE's file explorer was like |
| 05:55.46 | andkore | any of you use XFE? |
| 05:56.00 | mikehaas763 | i don't |
| 05:56.48 | rwp | XFE or XFCE? XFCE is very popular. I pushed a school into using it. But I just push the stuff. I don't use it myself. |
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| 05:57.10 | andkore | XFE. I used XFCE a long time ago |
| 05:57.37 | andkore | I used Slackware a lot back in middle school/high school. things have gotten a lot nicer since then. |
| 05:57.47 | andkore | that was about 8 years ago |
| 05:57.51 | rwp | Not familiar. URL for reference? |
| 05:58.06 | andkore | rwp: http://roland65.free.fr/xfe/ |
| 05:58.15 | andkore | it comes up when you search "windows explorer" linux |
| 05:58.39 | rwp | Installing it to give it a test drive. |
| 05:59.13 | andkore | yeah it's the repos |
| 05:59.38 | andkore | I'm actually on Windows right now. I guess I should boot into Debian if I'm going to sit here and talk about linux :P |
| 06:00.02 | andkore | it's in the repos* |
| 06:00.08 | rwp | Looks nice enough. |
| 06:00.49 | rwp | I will add it to my list for people to look at when they ask about graphical file browsers. |
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| 06:09.04 | rwp | andkore, So does this mean that you booted your Debian machine and rejoined us? |
| 06:09.21 | andkore | rwp: yes |
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| 06:09.46 | rwp | "On the Internet no one knows you are a dog." You could have kept doing whatever you were doing and we would never have known. |
| 06:10.04 | andkore | haha, I wanted to try XFE too |
| 06:10.23 | rwp | Fire up "rox-filer" on your list too then. |
| 06:10.36 | andkore | I'd like to get my Linux setup to the point where I can do my Android dev as efficiently as I can on windows |
| 06:10.43 | andkore | ok, thanks. I'll try that too |
| 06:11.05 | rwp | And "gentoo" as well. That should cover a nice field of various ones. Including the ones you already know. |
| 06:11.33 | rwp | I thought Android development was native on Linux? No? |
| 06:11.37 | andkore | it is |
| 06:11.41 | rwp | hasn't done any Android development. |
| 06:11.42 | andkore | I just meant the environment |
| 06:12.06 | andkore | just me being more comfortable with clicky clicky Windows |
| 06:12.09 | rwp | What would you want different? Maybe we can take one item today and make it better for you. |
| 06:12.26 | andkore | well the file management thing is the first thing |
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| 06:12.50 | rwp | My file management is using commands on the command line. |
| 06:12.54 | andkore | on Windows I have a shortcut to Eclipse and the folder containing all my projects right there on the desktop |
| 06:13.16 | andkore | yeah. I dunno. I do plenty of that, but for some things I think it's nice to be able to see everything |
| 06:13.47 | andkore | like what's the equivalent of control clicking to select certain items, and then doing control x and control v to move them? |
| 06:13.59 | andkore | that would take a bit more effort on the command line |
| 06:14.23 | rwp | Uhm... Not really. You actually have two questions in there. (At least two anyway.) |
| 06:14.44 | rwp | In X you drag the left button down and it selects text. When it selects text it also highlights it. |
| 06:15.26 | rwp | In Windows highlighting does not select it. You have to C-x or C-c. But in X it automatically goes into the "primary selection". Which is the fancy name for the equiv to the clipboard. |
| 06:15.49 | andkore | you're talking about with a terminal up? |
| 06:15.51 | rwp | Then to past it you use the middle mouse button. Whatever was highlighted with the left button drag is pasted with middle button click. |
| 06:15.58 | andkore | hm |
| 06:16.05 | rwp | Terminals, web browsers, anything with text. |
| 06:16.44 | rwp | The right button "extends" the selection. So if you have selected some text with the left button but it isn't all you want then you can put the mouse near the end of the selection and extend it with the right button. |
| 06:17.03 | andkore | hm. ok I'll have to try this |
| 06:17.14 | rwp | The number of clicks is a control too. One click and drag is characters. Two left button clicks are words. Three are lines. |
| 06:17.45 | JaAViEr | Friends, i have ip's of public routers + users and passwords :D |
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| 06:17.59 | rwp | The influx of Windows people has thrown some things into confusion. They added an additional cut-n-paste buffer to the "primary selection" called the "clipboard". |
| 06:17.59 | JaAViEr | Wanna see ? |
| 06:18.05 | Tronnis | A religion like Christianity implores man to face the truth of his fragile earth reality. |
| 06:18.09 | JaAViEr | Or test :B |
| 06:18.11 | rwp | The clipboard works similar to the Windows clipboard. |
| 06:18.12 | Tronnis | Clearly earth existence is a fleeting mirage. |
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| 06:18.18 | andkore | the hell is going on in here |
| 06:18.33 | Tronnis | The common man occupies himself endlessly with trivialities to avoid the truth of his existence. |
| 06:18.36 | rwp | You can use C-x, C-c, C-v in things ilke the web browser. |
| 06:18.39 | Tronnis | He is a fradulent automaton. |
| 06:18.40 | rwp | IRC spammers. |
| 06:18.54 | JaAViEr | rwp ??? |
| 06:19.02 | JaAViEr | who is spammer rwp ? |
| 06:19.19 | andkore | JaAViEr: this isn't a hacking channel. no one is interested in seeing you ruin someone's day |
| 06:19.35 | JaAViEr | ¬¬ andkore |
| 06:19.53 | andkore | ? negation negation andkore? |
| 06:20.06 | JaAViEr | I Just wanna share this :D |
| 06:20.16 | Tronnis | The common man is living a lie, a scam, almost as if designed to destroy his true reality for the merits of his false reality. |
| 06:21.04 | tnettenba | JaAViEr: I'm from the NSA, please share all your knowledge |
| 06:21.08 | andkore | are there supposed to be hidden (period prefixed) files in the /home folder? |
| 06:21.32 | rwp | Not usually. Not forbidden. But not by default. In your own home yes. |
| 06:21.32 | JaAViEr | tnettenba: What is NSA ._. ? |
| 06:21.55 | andkore | ok. I think I must have messed up a copy command a while back. thanks |
| 06:22.05 | Tronnis | Can you truly believe the man who has lived an empty material-based existence leaves this earth reality the same way as the philosophical contemplative living as truly as he can? |
| 06:22.09 | tnettenba | JaAViEr: Exactly... |
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| 06:22.20 | JaAViEr | tnettenba: and ... what is NSA ? |
| 06:22.22 | rwp | You can probably look at the files and figure out where you accidentally copied them from. |
| 06:22.50 | andkore | I don't need them. Just gonna delete. How has tronnis not been banned yet? this channel has over 1000 people in it |
| 06:23.23 | Tronnis | andkore: Because I am encouraging folks to think about what matters most. |
| 06:23.36 | JaAViEr | tnettenba: am from South America :o , i dont understand you where you say "I'm from NSA" |
| 06:23.52 | Tronnis | If today is your last day what is to happen to you after so empty and FALSE an earth existence? |
| 06:23.56 | Tronnis | What remains of you? |
| 06:23.58 | andkore | Tronnis: I'm a philosophy major. I've thought about this stuff plenty. I don't need to hear your bullshit irrational mystical nonsense |
| 06:24.21 | JaAViEr | tnettenba: If you are interested in the information , please send me a private message |
| 06:24.59 | Tronnis | andkore: AND you believe truly the automaton occupying himself endlessly with work and distractions has the same fate as man imitating Christ? |
| 06:25.33 | LtL | Tronnis: oh shut up will you please |
| 06:26.05 | andkore | no, he doesn't have the same fate. because the Christ-follower has wasted his whole life on a lie, and the rational man has spent his life pursuing his own happiness |
| 06:26.21 | Tronnis | AND what happens to the rational man? |
| 06:26.21 | LtL | andkore: don't feed the trolls |
| 06:26.23 | Tronnis | What next for him? |
| 06:27.15 | Tronnis | LtL: Clearly this subject matter makes you VERY uncomfortable. |
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| 06:27.52 | LtL | Tronnis: don't analyze me, you're off-topic, stfu |
| 06:28.25 | Tronnis | Our greatest novelist, COUNT LEO TOLSTOY, reached a mid-life crisis before coming to believe CHRIST represented the way, the truth, the light. |
| 06:28.47 | Tronnis | Explain that. |
| 06:29.16 | Tronnis | "Tolstoy is the greatest Russian writer of prose fiction. Leaving aside his precursors Pushkin and Lermontov , we light list the greatest artists in Russian prose thus: first, Tolstoy, second, Gogol, third, Chekhov, fourth Turgenev." (Vladimir Nabokov) |
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| 06:29.36 | LtL | !ops Tronnis is spewing philosophy and proselytizing the channel |
| 06:29.37 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: ltl complains about: Tronnis is spewing philosophy and proselytizing the channel |
| 06:29.37 | kondor | LtL: Error: "ops" is not a valid command. |
| 06:29.55 | Tronnis | http://www.amazon.com/Much-Other-Stories-Penguin-Classics/product-reviews/0140445064/ref=dp_top_cm_cr_acr_txt?ie=UTF8&showViewpoints=1 |
| 06:29.59 | Tronnis | Go here, friends. |
| 06:30.08 | andkore | LtL: don't call it 'philosophy'. that's a disservice to real philosophy |
| 06:30.19 | Tronnis | http://www.amazon.com/The-Death-Ivan-Ilyich-Tolstoy/product-reviews/1936594668/ref=cm_cr_pr_btm_link_next_3?ie=UTF8&filterBy=addFiveStar&pageNumber=3&showViewpoints=0 |
| 06:30.20 | Tronnis | And here. |
| 06:30.32 | LtL | andkore: whatever its off topic |
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| 06:31.04 | Tronnis | The Death of Ivan Illyich has been praised as the greatest piece of literature we have. |
| 06:31.29 | Tronnis | In fact, James Joyce said of How Much Land Does a Man Need (By Count Leo Tolstoy) that it represented the APEX of world literature. |
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| 06:32.45 | andkore | Tronnis: why don't you think for yourself instead of hiding behind what supposedly smart people believed? |
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| 06:33.09 | Seekanet | andkore; why are you making stupid comments without actually backing them up with real thought and concern? |
| 06:33.11 | Tronnis | andkore: Because I have read these books. |
| 06:33.18 | Seekanet | andkore; youre making yourself look like an idiot. |
| 06:33.25 | andkore | Seekanet: haha, what? |
| 06:33.49 | Tronnis | andkore: You need to read these books to understand the position. They state it as succinctly and artfully as possible. |
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| 06:37.25 | Tronnis | Ivan Ilyich did everything right as a rational man |
| 06:37.36 | Tronnis | living his life as conventionally and respectfully as possible. |
| 06:37.41 | Tronnis | And yet his life was a dying life. |
| 06:37.53 | Tronnis | A complete lie that destroyed his soul. |
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| 06:50.09 | Tronnis | destroyed his soul. |
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| 07:16.49 | amit^ | How secure is debian 6.0.7 if a restrictive iptables inbound filter is used? |
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| 07:23.13 | peterrooney | amit: depends largely on what services are running on it. |
| 07:23.57 | mentor | amit^: More issues have to be considered |
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| 07:24.59 | kondor__ | # |
| 07:25.18 | amit^ | PeterSilie: Not running any services like ftp, ssh, http server etc |
| 07:25.45 | amit^ | mentor: Please explain |
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| 07:27.28 | dizzylizzy | For some reason I can never get the order of target/linkname right in my head for "ln". Anybody have a stupid mnemonic that simply by mentioning it I'll never forget? |
| 07:28.57 | andkore | dizzylizzy: yeah, used to confuse me |
| 07:29.10 | andkore | I just think of it as from to |
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| 07:29.39 | andkore | the thing that does exist to the thing that doesn't |
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| 07:29.49 | andkore | that's not a mnemonic, but ... |
| 07:29.58 | dizzylizzy | wait, what? |
| 07:30.00 | dizzylizzy | why "from to" |
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| 07:30.03 | dizzylizzy | it's "to from" |
| 07:30.13 | andkore | is it? |
| 07:30.24 | andkore | no it isn't |
| 07:30.28 | dizzylizzy | to link the name 'fish' to /usr/bin it would be "ln -s /usr/bin fish" right? |
| 07:30.41 | andkore | yes |
| 07:30.46 | andkore | bin is the thing that exists |
| 07:30.49 | dizzylizzy | yes |
| 07:30.50 | andkore | fish is the thing that doesn't |
| 07:30.51 | dizzylizzy | from fish to bin |
| 07:31.01 | dizzylizzy | "to from" |
| 07:31.06 | andkore | well, I think if you reverse it it makes more sense |
| 07:31.06 | dizzylizzy | bin fish |
| 07:31.10 | andkore | I know what you mean |
| 07:31.14 | dizzylizzy | but if you reverse it, the command doesn't work!! |
| 07:31.19 | andkore | mentally |
| 07:31.25 | dizzylizzy | that's one seriously confusing mnemonic if it's backwards from reality |
| 07:31.35 | dizzylizzy | getting them mixed up is exactly what I'm trying to avoid! |
| 07:31.37 | dizzylizzy | :) |
| 07:31.41 | andkore | just remember that the file that does exist is first |
| 07:31.48 | dizzylizzy | okay :) |
| 07:31.50 | andkore | and remember, both paths have to be full |
| 07:31.52 | dizzylizzy | kind of like input file output file |
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| 07:32.07 | dizzylizzy | the input has to exist, but the output is where the output of the program is going, so it doesn't have to exist |
| 07:32.16 | andkore | yeah |
| 07:32.19 | dizzylizzy | okay, thanks |
| 07:32.20 | dizzylizzy | :) |
| 07:32.26 | andkore | yes, the link is from the second to the first |
| 07:32.30 | andkore | but you know that already |
| 07:32.35 | andkore | because the second doesn't exist and the first does |
| 07:32.38 | dizzylizzy | hooray! |
| 07:32.42 | dizzylizzy | I think I'll remember it now |
| 07:32.45 | dizzylizzy | hugs andkore |
| 07:32.45 | dizzylizzy | thanks |
| 07:32.48 | andkore | haha, good |
| 07:32.59 | andkore | are you female? |
| 07:33.10 | dizzylizzy | did the name give it away |
| 07:33.12 | andkore | yeah |
| 07:33.13 | dizzylizzy | it tends to |
| 07:33.54 | dizzylizzy | :-/ I've established an identity as dizzylizzy so I can't really change it now, and I don't want to be bothered logging into Freenode with two different nicks at once, so it stays, but that's off-topic |
| 07:34.05 | nsh | dizzylizzy, another way to remember is that it's just like cp or mv |
| 07:34.20 | dizzylizzy | the new one being second |
| 07:34.24 | nsh | except god snorts a pony everytime you use it |
| 07:34.31 | andkore | I guess I'm sexist. I'm always a little surprised when I see women around these channels |
| 07:34.33 | dizzylizzy | what, every time you use ln? |
| 07:34.37 | nsh | yup |
| 07:34.40 | nsh | god loves pony snorting |
| 07:34.47 | andkore | it's cool though |
| 07:34.48 | dizzylizzy | andkore, there are probably more than you think, just not as many with feminine nicks |
| 07:35.01 | andkore | yeah. there's one woman here who is a freaking baller |
| 07:35.03 | andkore | she knows so much |
| 07:35.07 | andkore | can't recall the name right now |
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| 07:35.18 | dizzylizzy | nsh, i think he huffs kittens at the act, rather. kitten-huffing makes more sense for this |
| 07:35.39 | nsh | kitten-huffing is for mortals; god huffs shetland ponies |
| 07:35.48 | dizzylizzy | at use of 'ln', right |
| 07:35.54 | nsh | yup |
| 07:35.56 | nsh | it's in the manpage |
| 07:35.58 | andkore | but symbolic links are awesome |
| 07:36.11 | dizzylizzy | Pattern not found, you silly |
| 07:36.12 | nsh | example: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/2c/Shetland_pony_1.jpg |
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| 07:36.34 | nsh | oh yeah, she's doing it commemoratively, not in retribution or anything |
| 07:36.36 | nsh | (god) |
| 07:36.39 | dizzylizzy | but use of 'ln' isn't that bad, is it? I currently use it for creating links for things to run with Alt-F2 since aliases from my .bashrc aren't read for that |
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| 07:36.53 | dizzylizzy | like I have a symbolic link from /usr/local/bin/gt to /usr/bin/gnome-terminal |
| 07:37.11 | nsh | nothing wrong with that, though you could have used and alias |
| 07:37.15 | nsh | *an alias |
| 07:37.43 | nsh | symlinks can cause headaches when things get moved |
| 07:37.45 | andkore | an alias? |
| 07:37.50 | andkore | oh, right |
| 07:38.00 | andkore | alt f2 is very useful |
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| 07:38.01 | nsh | an alias is something you set in a shell |
| 07:38.06 | andkore | yeah, right |
| 07:38.28 | nsh | usually shortcuts for longer commands |
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| 07:39.32 | dizzylizzy | but I never run 'gt' in a terminal, only with Alt-F2, which doesn't read my .bashrc |
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| 07:45.17 | noobie888 | Hi, ps aux| grep username only grep username that's under 8 characters, anything below will be shown as uid instead. is there anyway to grep the long username? |
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| 08:47.34 | dizzylizzy | I think I'm going to reduce my swap partition. Obviously I'll do this from a live medium... but I have 4 GB of ram and the 2* rule doesn't really mean much anymore. I'll reduce it from 8 to 3, that's probably fine. |
| 08:47.38 | dizzylizzy | right? |
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| 08:48.52 | babilen | dizzylizzy: Is having 8GB of swap a problem? |
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| 08:49.25 | dizzylizzy | I'd like the hard drive space, but no not really no, it's just barely ever used ( if ever) |
| 08:49.44 | Shirakawasuna | it's necessary if you want to hibernate |
| 08:50.07 | dizzylizzy | I never do and never anticipate wanting to |
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| 08:50.36 | babilen | dizzylizzy: The reason for wanting /at least/ as much swap as RAM is because it allows you to hibernate (i.e. write entire RAM content to swap). The "two times RAM" rule is most certainly a thing of the past and you should be fine with 4GB, but then storage is typically cheap and you will be happy /iff/ you really need that much RAM (which will probably never happen) |
| 08:50.57 | dizzylizzy | hmm |
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| 08:51.04 | dizzylizzy | Well all right, I'll keep 4 gigs then |
| 08:51.19 | Shirakawasuna | I tend to scale with RAM nowadays, just like you're planning |
| 08:51.20 | dizzylizzy | when I buy a second 4gb ram stick I'll have to make it bigger again though :-/ |
| 08:52.01 | babilen | I scale with RAM as well |
| 08:53.00 | babilen | dizzylizzy: I don't really see the point. You can always do it as soon as it actually poses or problem (or changing it provides an advantage). 8GB is okay and provides quite a degree of flexibility. |
| 08:53.34 | babilen | Think of it as "the secret 4GB up your sleeve" ;) |
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| 08:54.30 | dizzylizzy | ha |
| 08:54.41 | dizzylizzy | Hmm. Maybe I'll just leave it then for when I wipe the drive and repartition with lvm |
| 08:55.12 | babilen | oh, definitely. I was under the impression that you already did that :D |
| 08:55.30 | dizzylizzy | No no, as I said on oftc, i just toyed around with a little unpartitioned space |
| 08:55.56 | dizzylizzy | lvm's very neat, but transferring everything off in a backup is going to be an all-day event because of the limitations of USB3 |
| 08:56.06 | babilen | ah, fair enough. :) |
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| 10:10.32 | redrived | hi where can i find the repository for lightum? |
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| 10:18.35 | psiklops | Hi. |
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| 10:19.27 | psiklops | I have am running Wheezy, and would like to install Twinkle from Squeeze Repos. Is this possible ? |
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| 10:46.53 | boudiccas | ,v twinkle |
| 10:46.54 | judd | Package: twinkle on i386 -- lenny: 1:1.2-3; lenny-backports: 1:1.4.2-2~bpo50+1; squeeze: 1:1.4.2-2+b2 |
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| 10:48.51 | jimcooncat | I know I haven't been on top of things for the last couple of weeks, but why so many updates for squeeze desktop? |
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| 10:50.25 | ksuhku | jimcooncat, perhaps it's the final embalming before becoming oldstable |
| 10:50.26 | jimcooncat | kernel, cups, openssh, this makes me nervous |
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| 10:54.07 | greenit | is it possible to install kde instead of gnome with the graphical installer? |
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| 10:56.06 | babilen | dpkg: tell greenit about install kde |
| 10:56.19 | babilen | dpkg: tell greenit about install wheezy |
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| 10:57.04 | greenit | babilen, thx :) |
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| 10:57.25 | babilen | greenit: You can either use the KDE CD1, select it in the boot menu or install it afterwards. I would recommend to install wheezy at this point and preferably use the netinstall image with firmware (cf. <firmware images wheezy>) if you have a working internet connection during the installation. |
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| 11:07.26 | tryagain | hi! is there an easy way to convert live .iso image to .img one? I'm building a live pendrive with persistancy file on it and seem to have downloaded wrong file for that. |
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| 11:10.18 | tryagain | i've managed to add live-rw partition to pendrive but it's unable to to mount it when the live system is starting up (or already running) because it uses /dev/sdc as iso image, while i'd like it to use /dev/sdc1 |
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| 11:15.28 | babilen | tryagain: Well, simply rename the .iso to .img (it's meaningless) -- But I guess that his won't solve your issue. You might want to ask in #debian-live on irc.debian.org (aka irc.oftc.net) |
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| 11:16.14 | tryagain | babilen tahnk you for pointing the right channel out |
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| 12:05.29 | jollyjoe | Hello, i just boot up a kubuntu live-cd but impossible to get dhcp address. i can see traffic using tcpdump, dhclient's output is normal but no packets outgoing. What im doing wrong ? |
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| 12:06.33 | abrotman | jollyjoe: well, for starters, this is #debian, you should be using #kubuntu |
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| 12:09.02 | jollyjoe | abrotman, yeah thanks. And is there any networking chan on freenode ? ##networking seems to be oriented switch config ... |
| 12:09.23 | abrotman | jollyjoe: the channel for your distro would be appropriate |
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| 12:17.10 | ross_ | ok so I install debian without a GUI |
| 12:17.33 | ross_ | I want to install the awesome desktop manager I have down using ap-get but it is still not working |
| 12:17.37 | ross_ | :/ |
| 12:18.01 | zinx | not working eh, must be tough |
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| 12:30.46 | babilen | ross_: Would it be possible to provide more information? (e.g. answers to "what is not working?", "what would it mean for awesomewm to 'work'?", "how do you try to start it?", "what happens if you start it that way?", "what did you expect to happen?", ...) |
| 12:30.51 | babilen | dpkg: tell ross_ -about smart questions |
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| 13:14.50 | opr | hi all when I'm in a game or watching a flash video there is screen tearing that slowly works its way from the bottom of the image to the top, how can I stop this ? I've enabled vsync in the game I'm playing but no dice |
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| 13:16.42 | jelly-home | opr: are you using a compositing window manager? (compiz, Gnome 3, KDE4?) vsync doesn't work well with those |
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| 13:16.54 | opr | jelly-home, yeah GNome 3 |
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| 13:22.01 | opr | relogging to choose fallback mode |
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| 13:25.11 | opr | jelly-home, so I'm in fallback mode now and it's still doing it |
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| 13:27.12 | opr | and also with nvidia-xconfig --no-composite |
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| 13:33.58 | mintux | i installed openvpn on my debian server i got this error in log read UDPv4 [ECONNREFUSED]: Connection refused (code=111) . i google it and found out it refer to firewall. so how can i know the firewall is installed on debian or filter port 1194 |
| 13:33.59 | mintux | ? |
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| 13:34.18 | dawud | mintux: iptables -L -n -v |
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| 13:34.57 | mintux | dawud: it is http://codepad.org/ab1iNI6k |
| 13:36.27 | mintux | is it correct? |
| 13:37.45 | dawud | mintux: if by correct you mean if it blocks 1194, it is not blocking anything at all |
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| 13:39.30 | nullby7e | does whezzy will have release candidate 2? |
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| 13:40.34 | dawud | mintux: use netstat to see if the service you expect to be listening is actually listening |
| 13:40.37 | dvs | nullby7e: wheezy doesn't have release candidates. The wheezy INSTALLER might. |
| 13:40.51 | nullby7e | dvs: yes that i mean? |
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| 13:41.22 | jkkl | Is it really true that Debian is less prone to viruses than Windows? |
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| 13:41.28 | mintux | dawud: output of # netstat -lnp has this line : udp 0 0 0.0.0.0:1194 0.0.0.0:* 6496/openvpn |
| 13:41.39 | mintux | dawud: does it listen ? |
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| 13:42.48 | dawud | mintux: it does |
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| 13:44.40 | petn-randall | jkkl: I've never heard of a virus that infects Linux desktops. |
| 13:44.58 | dawud | petn-randall: have you heard of rootkits? |
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| 13:45.13 | petn-randall | jkkl: There might be some, but they aren't very widespread. |
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| 13:45.29 | pfred1 | dawud a rootkit is not a virus |
| 13:45.30 | petn-randall | dawud: not the same as a virus, isn't it? It still has to get on a system. |
| 13:45.40 | dawud | petn-randall: not a reason to avoid counter measures |
| 13:45.49 | dawud | pfred1: I know |
| 13:46.09 | kriz | Hi! i know its very off topic: but is there anybody 'can help translating some car-specific terms from english or german to spanish? thank you! |
| 13:46.16 | petn-randall | dawud: I never claimed anything like that. |
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| 13:46.42 | dawud | petn-randall: sure, it's my reasoning only |
| 13:47.20 | dawud | kriz: wordreference.com ? |
| 13:48.40 | kriz | <dawud> thank you … but i cannot be sure about 1+ words terms if there grammatically correct … :-/ |
| 13:49.08 | petn-randall | kriz: I guess you have to hire a translator to do it then? |
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| 13:49.45 | opr | ok it turns out the screen tearing is ALWAYS there not only in videos or games |
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| 13:50.26 | jkkl | PUPPY PUPPY PUPPY PUPPY PUPPY PUPPYPUPPY PUPPY PUPPY PUPPY PUPPY PUPPYPUPPY PUPPY PUPPY PUPPY PUPPY PUPPYPUPPY PUPPY PUPPY PUPPY PUPPY PUPPYPUPPY PUPPY PUPPY PUPPY PUPPY PUPPY LINUUUUUXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX |
| 13:50.29 | jkkl | XD |
| 13:51.10 | jkkl | IS DEBIAN BASED ON PUPPPY LLINUX?? |
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| 13:51.19 | SpeedyG | hi all, in KDE on debian i'm getting a lot of errors on "QGradient::setColorAT: Color position must be specified in the range 0 to 1, google does not really show me a clear path to solve this, anyone had this before and knows how to fix ? |
| 13:52.20 | pfred1 | SpeedyG IRC is not always the best place to address really obscure issues |
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| 13:53.00 | SpeedyG | pfred1: in general, IRC is the best place to do so as multiple people may have had similar issues |
| 13:53.19 | SpeedyG | or may at least point you in a direction which you havent thought of while searching on google |
| 13:53.50 | pfred1 | SpeedyG somehow I do not think arguing with you this morning is going to change my opinion that I have developed over the past 18 years |
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| 13:54.06 | petn-randall | pfred1: Do those messages pop up, or show up in logs? |
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| 13:54.32 | petn-randall | pfred1: You might find some more info in ~/.xsession-errors |
| 13:55.05 | SpeedyG | pfred1: there's large number of useles forum topics on arguing on the internet, so lets just skip that part ;) |
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| 13:55.44 | SpeedyG | petn-randall: thats exactly where they show up |
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| 13:56.08 | pfred1 | SpeedyG in any event mailing lists are often a better forum for dealing with very involved issues |
| 13:56.11 | SpeedyG | (actually, my .xsession-errors file was over 600GB large when I just checked it this morning) |
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| 13:56.42 | ksuhku | lolll |
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| 13:57.00 | pfred1 | SpeedyG as in there is a far better chance the person who wrote the code that is giving you trouble is following a mailing list than is in this channel listening right now |
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| 13:57.37 | SpeedyG | pfred1: fair enough, however over the past 14-some years, i've had numerous occasions where IRC was sufficient for my issues :) |
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| 13:58.28 | pfred1 | SpeedyG no doubt this channel is like a rolling FAQ that regurgitates answers to common questions but yours does not strike me as such and your Google search seems to bear that fact out as well |
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| 13:58.36 | ksuhku | get a room you two |
| 13:59.34 | pfred1 | ksuhku I got an ignore list and I'd like to introduce yo uto it right now |
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| 14:01.17 | SpeedyG | pfred1: ok, my question may have been quite specific, but on the other hand, that's one of the things I've learned on IRC over the past couple of years... just shouting out 'Help' will not get you any answers... to add to that, I've never used mailing lists before :) anyways, seems you don't have a direction for me to look in, so I'll continue with my google search and perhaps try some other channels some time soon :) thanks |
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| 14:02.55 | pfred1 | SpeedyG heck I've emailed devs directly they are usually quite accessible |
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| 14:18.20 | Leoneof | hello, with "ls -als" i can see a file with "root" owner, how to change to "user" owner? |
| 14:18.54 | Towzzer | chown user:group file |
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| 14:20.49 | ksuhku | and you need supah usah powerz to do dat |
| 14:21.10 | Leoneof | Towzzer: thank you |
| 14:21.13 | gimpy64 | I'm trying to mount an NFS export in rescue mode of Squeeze but I just get "No such device". Any clue why this won't mount NFS? |
| 14:21.43 | pfred1 | gimpy64 you don't have an nfs client program in your rescue media? |
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| 14:22.14 | gimpy64 | pfred1: I don't know. This is the full DVD of 6.0.2.1. |
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| 14:22.45 | pfred1 | aptitude search nfs pick something that sounds like you might need it and install it |
| 14:23.15 | gimpy64 | There is no aptitude in rescue mode. |
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| 14:23.22 | pfred1 | bummer |
| 14:23.30 | gimpy64 | No apt-get either. |
| 14:23.38 | pfred1 | that isn't very far sighted of them |
| 14:23.51 | gimpy64 | Hell, there's not even bash. |
| 14:24.00 | pfred1 | are you in busy box? |
| 14:24.03 | gimpy64 | Yes. |
| 14:24.08 | pfred1 | oh skip that noise |
| 14:24.20 | pfred1 | hey it's your time I guess |
| 14:24.40 | gimpy64 | How would I skip it? I select "start a shell in the installer environemnt" or whatever and it drops me here. |
| 14:24.49 | pfred1 | just boot a live distro |
| 14:24.58 | gimpy64 | I have no root filesystem right now so I can't start a shell in that. |
| 14:25.26 | gimpy64 | This is stupid. I can't use a Debian disk to fix a Debian system. |
| 14:25.33 | pfred1 | you must be doing something I have never done |
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| 14:25.47 | pfred1 | well I'm sure you can |
| 14:26.08 | pfred1 | but that is not ot say that there are not better tools available to accomplish some things or better methods etc. |
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| 14:27.17 | pfred1 | when you boot the rescue media can't yo uchroot into your old environment? |
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| 14:27.54 | gimpy64 | pfred1: There is no old environment. That's why I'm trying to mount NFS, to recover it from backup. |
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| 14:28.10 | pfred1 | that would be a problem |
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| 14:28.34 | pfred1 | what did you do rm -rf / ? |
| 14:28.57 | pfred1 | HDD failure? |
| 14:29.08 | gimpy64 | pfred1: No, I'm cloning a system. |
| 14:29.12 | pfred1 | oh |
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| 14:29.45 | pfred1 | I'm sure there are howtos out there I could swear i have seen them someplace |
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| 14:30.08 | pfred1 | I know if I was about that I would try to follow some known proceedure |
| 14:30.10 | gimpy64 | I've cloned this way plenty of times with RHEL/CentOS....I'm using their rescue media now. |
| 14:30.28 | pfred1 | well then you have a method that works for you that is great |
| 14:31.08 | pfred1 | gimpy64 some things do differ from distribution to distribution though |
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| 14:31.23 | pfred1 | like people's ideas of what constitutes "rescue" |
| 14:31.37 | gimpy64 | pfred1: The method is simple. Back up with rsync with proper options for hard and soft links; boot into live media on the new system; partition the diskk and rsync the backup to it; install grub; boot. |
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| 14:31.57 | GranoSalis | hi |
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| 14:33.59 | pfred1 | gimpy64 I don't clone systems so I don't know what is better or worse but I do know there are a variety of ways people do it and I don't know what Debian's is but I am going to look it up now just out of idle curiousity |
| 14:34.47 | dvs | !clonezilla |
| 14:34.48 | kondor | dvs: Error: "clonezilla" is not a valid command. |
| 14:34.48 | kondor` | dvs: Error: "clonezilla" is not a valid command. |
| 14:34.48 | dpkg | Clonezilla Live is a live CD based on Debian, providing disk/partition cloning functionality similar to Symantec Ghost. Basically a front-end to <partimage>, <partclone>, <ntfsclone>, sfdisk and others. http://www.clonezilla.org/ See also <based on Debian>. |
| 14:34.52 | pfred1 | ah i should have guessed I think Debian expects you to just use the package manager |
| 14:35.10 | dvs | ??? |
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| 14:38.50 | pfred1 | gimpy64 apparently Debian even has a command called "apt-clone" |
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| 14:39.30 | gimpy64 | pfred1: That's only for package cloning. I want a true clone. |
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| 14:40.04 | pfred1 | gimpy64 that looks to be beyond the scope of official Debian methods |
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| 14:40.47 | pfred1 | gimpy64 I can even see why they would justify such a policy |
| 14:40.49 | gimpy64 | pfred1: I'm just surprised Debian's rescue doesn't support something as simple and common as NFS. |
| 14:41.20 | gimpy64 | I don't need an approved method. I don't need my hand held. I need a rescue environment that is actually useful. Debian's is not. |
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| 14:41.40 | pfred1 | gimpy64 say what you will Debian's package management is second to none |
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| 14:42.55 | pfred1 | gimpy64 I can understand where you're ocming from but I cannot discount Debian's position out of hand because of that though |
| 14:43.17 | gimpy64 | pfred1: I didn't say there a problem with the packages... Though since you bring it up RHEL/CentOS also have a terrific package management system. |
| 14:43.53 | pfred1 | gimpy64 yes all package management systems are a lot alike today just different commands to do essentially the same things |
| 14:43.58 | Washu | Hi simple question for some peace of mind, if my only HDD on my server were to start dying, could I put a livecd in and copy every from root to a new HDD and run the server without interruption? ( simply copy the os and everything and have it all run the same ) |
| 14:44.20 | mumpitzel | no |
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| 14:44.37 | mumpitzel | you need to remount your harddisk read only before cloning it |
| 14:44.43 | subthalamus | are there any whacky excentricities to expect when running debian-kfreebsd? |
| 14:44.43 | pfred1 | mumpitzel not even if they dded the data? |
| 14:45.10 | pfred1 | send in the clones this morning! |
| 14:45.25 | Washu | subthalamus: linux is missing |
| 14:45.38 | Washu | mumpitzel: was that a responce to my question? |
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| 14:45.52 | gimpy64 | Washu: The source disk should not be changing while the clone is going on but yes you can do that. Edit /etc/fstab and /grub after the clone if needed (different blkid and such). |
| 14:45.53 | subthalamus | Washu: um, yes, but what does that mean in practice? |
| 14:46.44 | Washu | gimpy64: so all I have to worry about is grub and fstab? that's good thanks, 'though I'd need to learn how to fix them but at least everything else is just a dd |
| 14:47.21 | pfred1 | doesn't dd copy disk errors and filesystem fragmentation too? |
| 14:47.40 | Washu | That's fine, this is just about saving server state from failing drives |
| 14:47.45 | subthalamus | Washu: regarding the dying disk, you don't have a choice either way but beware that the act of cloning it itself may kill it |
| 14:47.49 | pfred1 | as in if you dd you just end up with the same mess as you had |
| 14:47.58 | Washu | without having to backup databases and server files separately which would be a bore |
| 14:47.58 | gimpy64 | pfred1: Yes. It also takes forever as it copies empty/unused sectors. |
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| 14:48.25 | pfred1 | yes there are downsides to some simpler methods |
| 14:48.41 | Washu | subthalamus: yea I am thanks, that would be a tense hour xD I only say that because my current drive is relatively old so I might want to move over to a newer one sometime |
| 14:49.21 | gimpy64 | Washu: This is why RAID1 is always a good idea. |
| 14:49.33 | Washu | yup definetly |
| 14:49.42 | mumpitzel | pfred1: if any program writest to the disk while you dd, you have an inconsistent target filesystem and after a fsck you have lost some data |
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| 14:49.55 | pfred1 | I'm just happy i haven't had an HDD failure in over 10 years now |
| 14:50.13 | Washu | mumpitzel: It'd mount it read-only don't worry :) |
| 14:50.18 | gimpy64 | pfred1: You must not have many disks... |
| 14:50.32 | mumpitzel | then it's easy. cp is not so good but clonezilla, dd, etc will work fine |
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| 14:50.34 | pfred1 | gimpy64 not many and I retire them too |
| 14:50.35 | Washu | pfred1: same but once a hdd gets around five years old I stay suspicious |
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| 14:51.25 | pfred1 | Washu I have one system that hit 12 years old and I started really sweating bullets over it but AFAIK if I turned it on today it would still run but I have retired it from active service as of now |
| 14:51.48 | gimpy64 | Age has very little to do with disk death. |
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| 14:52.36 | pfred1 | gimpy64 I think the way I use my main computers does help them live longer |
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| 14:55.51 | avi143 | I have debiab chroot in android (galaxy y s5360) but can not access bluetooth and other sensors. Just bash and vnc. Is there any way to get access to those hardwares. |
| 14:56.18 | kaste | avi143: did you bind mount /dev /sys and /proc? |
| 14:56.31 | kaste | well sys and proc wouldn't even need a bind |
| 14:56.39 | avi143 | I also tried installing bluez, but it didn't worked with bluetooth |
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| 14:57.02 | avi143 | No i disnt. |
| 14:57.13 | pfred1 | now I'm still running Debian but I am shelling through my Gentoo box ... |
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| 14:58.14 | avi143 | I used complete linux installer android app. |
| 14:59.35 | kaste | I have a raid1 with three usb sticks (I know it's idiotic), and want to remove one of them. How can i be certain that the sync is done? the output of mdadm --manage /dev/md/0 --remove /dev/sdg1 says mdadm: hot remove failed for /dev/sdg1: Device or resource busy |
| 15:00.06 | aidan | How can I see what's blocking a port? I'm trying to get SSL working, I'm getting Connection Refused when I telnet to443 |
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| 15:00.35 | mumpitzel | http://pcpartpicker.com/p/IKLq |
| 15:00.42 | Washu | aidan: most likely incorrectly configured? |
| 15:00.49 | gimpy64 | aidan: Is anything listening on 443? Use `netstat -pan | grep 443` |
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| 15:01.12 | aidan | Washu: no shit |
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| 15:01.38 | aidan | gimpy64: that comes up blank, I've done "iptables -A INPUT -p tcp -m state --state NEW -m tcp --dport 443 -j ACCEPT" so I think the port should be open |
| 15:01.56 | gimpy64 | aidan: If it comes up blank then nothing on your system is listenign on the port. |
| 15:01.57 | kaste | aidan: why not listen with socat/netcat on the port and see if it gets thorugh |
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| 15:02.16 | aidan | gimpy64: ah |
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| 15:09.52 | aidan | that was it, mod_ssl was disabled |
| 15:09.53 | aidan | thanks :) |
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| 15:17.23 | mac- | I had problems with SD card |
| 15:17.25 | mac- | and I've made a write/read test on the card |
| 15:17.29 | mac- | can you look at the results if I didn't make miastake during a test ? |
| 15:17.33 | mac- | http://pastebin.com/RnUGxr40 |
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| 15:55.10 | ScabbyMadman | Im using Debian Squeeze and today my hotplug stuff stopped working very strange any one here in the same boat? |
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| 15:56.24 | pfred1 | ScabbyMadman I'm running Debian Squeeze too! |
| 15:56.47 | ScabbyMadman | pfred1, does your hotplug work now? |
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| 15:57.18 | pfred1 | ScabbyMadman I don't know. What is a hotplug? I have firewire but I've nothing to plug into it so I don't know if it works, or not. |
| 15:57.55 | ScabbyMadman | hotplug is part of the udev system that manages the devices as they are connected |
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| 15:58.09 | ScabbyMadman | or seen at boot -- my hotplug fails at boot |
| 15:58.14 | pfred1 | ScabbyMadman do you mean like USB flash drives? |
| 15:59.02 | ScabbyMadman | pfred1, like everything you would conect to your computer via a serial, sata port, firewire or usb |
| 15:59.18 | ScabbyMadman | ps2 ports like mice and kbds |
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| 15:59.29 | pfred1 | PS2 is not hot swappable |
| 15:59.42 | pfred1 | well, modern controllers allow it, but it isn't spec |
| 15:59.53 | DanDare | pfred1, its not. you can damage mobo doing it |
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| 16:00.01 | pfred1 | DanDare correct |
| 16:00.02 | ScabbyMadman | yeah but it is still managed via udev |
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| 16:00.42 | pfred1 | DanDare but in practice if you have a mobo that was damaged by hot swapping PS2 it is a POS and you're better off without it :> |
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| 16:01.23 | ScabbyMadman | heres the deal: I booted a ubuntu live distro and the mouse and kbd are seen by that distro, but not with my current install of debian any more |
| 16:01.24 | DanDare | pfred1, i remember damaging a PS2 port like that. But it was several years ago (like 14) |
| 16:01.41 | pfred1 | DanDare yup the old ones didn't have pull up resistors or something in the controllers |
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| 16:02.12 | DanDare | pfred1, it means its ok doing it nowadays? For one still using ps2 ? |
| 16:02.18 | DanDare | *ones |
| 16:02.38 | pfred1 | DanDare well like i said it isn't spec to hot swap PS2 but most manufacturers have addressed the issue though hardware solutions |
| 16:02.51 | DanDare | I see. sounds cool |
| 16:03.05 | pfred1 | by most i mean just about all too |
| 16:03.07 | ScabbyMadman | so anyways ...my udev hotplugging mechanism that populates the devices at boot no longer works properly at boot |
| 16:03.11 | DanDare | ok |
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| 16:03.39 | pfred1 | ScabbyMadman try this tail -f /var/log/syslog then plug something in |
| 16:04.09 | mtn | ScabbyMadman: so it was working on Debian? what changed? |
| 16:04.33 | ScabbyMadman | it works now that I 've kiled and restarted the daemon -- /etc/init.d/udev start |
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| 16:05.30 | ScabbyMadman | mtn I did an update this am on something but not system files |
| 16:05.44 | ScabbyMadman | Ill check out what was updated forget right now |
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| 16:06.05 | mtn | ScabbyMadman: what version of Debian? |
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| 16:06.22 | ScabbyMadman | mtn Squeeze |
| 16:06.26 | g00se | wheezy/xfce4 seems to use lightdm. This has borked my usual manually started x11vnc server for desktop sharing. Part of that is it starts X with displaynumber :5 but part of seems to be auth. Have you encountered this? |
| 16:06.28 | ScabbyMadman | 6.07 |
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| 16:06.47 | mtn | ScabbyMadman: no update on squeeze should affect your system like that. must be another change you made. |
| 16:07.15 | g00se | Oh and btw that's in the last few days |
| 16:07.17 | ScabbyMadman | mtn that what I figured |
| 16:07.29 | pfred1 | hey what does ? mean when I check my running services with service --status-all |
| 16:08.32 | ScabbyMadman | mtn like I said I can force it to restart once I get a shell -- the boot message after the inital initramfs hotplug is loaded --thats where the udev/hotplug fails -- says its already running |
| 16:08.38 | pfred1 | I didn't know this machine ran apache where did that come from? |
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| 16:09.53 | mtn | ScabbyMadman: sorry, don't know where to point you. |
| 16:09.57 | zykotick9 | pfred1: if you didn't manually install it, you might want to check "aptitude why apache2" |
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| 16:10.14 | pfred1 | zykotick9 I'll do that |
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| 16:10.48 | pfred1 | ah ha! i python2.6-doc Depends libjs-jquery |
| 16:11.32 | pfred1 | zykotick9 I had a big to do with another system and Networkmanager because it insisted on apache for its help or some such nonsense |
| 16:11.47 | ScabbyMadman | mtn I was looking around for a stale socket or lock file but no luck |
| 16:11.49 | kondor_ | have been keeping daily logs of this channel, Every morning i wake up and read the logs |
| 16:11.59 | ScabbyMadman | mtn thanks |
| 16:12.08 | mtn | ScabbyMadman: good luck |
| 16:12.12 | kondor_ | They make for a grate read |
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| 16:13.28 | pfred1 | kondor_ a lot of people find the Debian community grating |
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| 16:14.09 | mtn | har har |
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| 16:14.29 | pfred1 | wake up and put yourself through the shredder do you? |
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| 16:17.15 | kondor_ | It's been fun, i'm using supybot to do the dirty work |
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| 16:21.00 | kondor_ | If anyone is looking for a way to log irc channels, http://supybook.fealdia.org/devel/ |
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| 16:21.41 | pfred1 | kondor_ I'd be surprised if the channel logs weren't uploaded to http |
| 16:22.48 | kondor_ | Of course you cand find irc logs on google |
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| 16:23.20 | zykotick9 | kondor_: i think your "bot" is causing some issues. see what happened when someone called !clonezilla a little while ago. |
| 16:23.33 | kondor_ | Supybot does a lot more then just log irc channels |
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| 16:24.27 | kondor_ | My bot is just logging everything, That's it |
| 16:24.40 | zykotick9 | !clonezilla |
| 16:24.40 | kondor` | zykotick9: Error: "clonezilla" is not a valid command. |
| 16:24.40 | kondor | zykotick9: Error: "clonezilla" is not a valid command. |
| 16:24.40 | dpkg | Clonezilla Live is a live CD based on Debian, providing disk/partition cloning functionality similar to Symantec Ghost. Basically a front-end to <partimage>, <partclone>, <ntfsclone>, sfdisk and others. http://www.clonezilla.org/ See also <based on Debian>. |
| 16:24.50 | zykotick9 | kondor: that's NOT cool |
| 16:24.50 | kondor | zykotick9: Error: "that's" is not a valid command. |
| 16:24.55 | LtL | zykotick9: kondor also responds to exclamation point(ops) |
| 16:25.13 | LtL | un-authorized bot imho |
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| 16:27.19 | pfred1 | can't plain old IRC clients log IRC channels? |
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| 16:27.28 | zykotick9 | pfred1: yes |
| 16:28.08 | LtL | pfred1: most do.. i 'think' it's not allowed to log this channel, don't recall where i read that, or if true. |
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| 16:28.52 | pfred1 | LtL I don't think such a rule can be valid in any meaningful way I mean what are we all supposed to do cut our heads off or something? |
| 16:29.03 | Alasdairr | How do I get the "nf_conntrack" kernel module to load on boot? I've got some sysctl entries related to conntrack but because it gets loaded in after boot, the sysctls get ignored as they're being set before iptables gets activated |
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| 16:29.30 | LtL | pfred1: yeah, i'm hearing you, wish i could recall where i read that.. anyway.. |
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| 16:29.51 | kondor_ | Dont send messages to kondor, kondor is my bot |
| 16:29.52 | LtL | Alasdairr: put it in /etc/modules |
| 16:30.26 | LtL | kondor_: i suggest you comment out the get ops command |
| 16:30.29 | Alasdairr | LtL: Gosh, thats easy |
| 16:30.31 | Alasdairr | thanks |
| 16:30.37 | pfred1 | GNU/Linux used to be such a good OS what has happened anymore? |
| 16:30.42 | LtL | Alasdairr: de nada |
| 16:30.48 | cantoma | hey guys, I am trying to watch a mov in nasa website using google chrome but I am getting the message "Could not load MozPlugger 1.14.1 handles quicktime and windows media player plugin.". I have checked and I have mozplugger 1.14.1-1 installed. What else should I do to be able to watch it? |
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| 16:33.22 | nkuttler | cantoma: url? |
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| 16:33.45 | kaste | does anyone here use isatap and can tell me why I get the error message isatapd[26557]: tunnel_add: No buffer space available |
| 16:33.47 | cantoma | nkuttler, http://voyager.jpl.nasa.gov/multimedia/audiovideo/discovery20110428-1280.mov |
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| 16:34.31 | pfred1 | cantoma if you really want to watch it mplayer accepts URLs |
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| 16:34.42 | cantoma | pfred1, ok i didn't know |
| 16:34.50 | LtL | cantoma: totem plays that url/file just fine |
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| 16:35.05 | pfred1 | just mplayer http://voyager.jpl.nasa.gov/multimedia/audiovideo/discovery20110428-1280.mov but caching might helps some |
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| 16:35.36 | nkuttler | that's funny, neither mplayer nor vlc play the file for me.. |
| 16:35.49 | kondor_ | Convert the file |
| 16:36.01 | cantoma | mini is playing too slow |
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| 16:36.19 | cantoma | and mplayer is complaining that my system is too slow |
| 16:36.24 | cantoma | but it is an i5 |
| 16:36.31 | pfred1 | I don't know it plays fine here |
| 16:36.34 | nkuttler | ah, totem does.. extremely choppy though |
| 16:37.01 | cantoma | it just says now "couldn't resolve name for AF_INET6: voyager.jpl.nasa.gov" |
| 16:37.10 | pfred1 | I got those messages it still played |
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| 16:37.38 | cantoma | maybe my network connection is slow |
| 16:37.41 | nkuttler | yeah, i get the same messages, but no play |
| 16:37.46 | cantoma | but i can watch streaming tv quite well |
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| 16:37.49 | pfred1 | wget it then play it I youtube-dl when youtube decides to run choppy for me |
| 16:37.55 | nkuttler | cantoma: fwiw, don't they have it on a page? |
| 16:38.25 | cantoma | i am doing wget and is downloading |
| 16:38.32 | nkuttler | the file seems to be huge, they probably have an optimized version for web display ? |
| 16:38.36 | cantoma | although it might take 60m |
| 16:38.59 | nkuttler | it's around 100M |
| 16:39.01 | cantoma | yeah I reckon it might be huge |
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| 16:50.54 | greenit | hi, i have a problem. when i want to install debian with kde through the installer via advanced options > kde > graphical installer / installer it always fails.... is there another way to install it? |
| 16:52.18 | mtn | greenit: you could install kde after debian installation |
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| 16:53.27 | greenit | mtn, so just uncheck the desktop via installation and install "kde-standard" afterwards? |
| 16:53.43 | greenit | -via +while |
| 16:53.56 | mtn | greenit: yes, if that is the correct name. |
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| 16:54.30 | greenit | mtn, k, thx |
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| 16:59.34 | dysoco | Anyone has a link for Debian Testing Netinst Torrent? HTTP downloads slowly |
| 17:00.09 | mtn | dysoco: doesn't the debian download page list one? |
| 17:00.28 | dysoco | I'm searching but I can only get either Torrents for the Stable release or HTTP for the Testing daily iso |
| 17:00.32 | dysoco | must be a torrrent somewhere |
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| 17:02.12 | mtn | dysoco: I didn't dig, but here is the page: http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 17:02.24 | babilen | dysoco: Not sure if there are some, let me check |
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| 17:03.03 | dysoco | Hm, maybe I can try this Jigdo thing |
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| 17:03.13 | babilen | dysoco: But then, you probably want the netinst with firmware anyway, ... http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/wheezy_di_rc1/amd64/bt-cd/ |
| 17:03.23 | dysoco | I'm installing in a VM anyways |
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| 17:03.38 | babilen | ack, ^^^ link to torrent for RC1 with firmware |
| 17:03.58 | dysoco | oh great |
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| 17:04.08 | dysoco | not sure if taking the 32Bit or 64Bit for the VM |
| 17:04.18 | dysoco | I think Virtualbox does support 64Bit now |
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| 17:05.07 | babilen | well, there is a 32bit image there as well. pick whatever you prefer :) |
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| 17:05.51 | dysoco | Why is this iso only 235MB instead of 400MB? |
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| 17:06.27 | dysoco | Meh, nevermind |
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| 17:08.02 | galaxyrider | hi. i just installed debian squeeze and now that i'm trying to boot it halts on a black screen. |
| 17:08.04 | galaxyrider | help |
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| 17:08.55 | babilen | galaxyrider: I think you just got a response over at OFTC. It is typically neither necessary nor welcome to cross-post. I have no experience with your GPU whatsoever and can't help |
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| 17:09.49 | babilen | galaxyrider: If that doesn't help you might want to take to the debian-user mailing list |
| 17:09.59 | galaxyrider | ok thanks |
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| 17:10.44 | dysoco | This torrent isn't downloading |
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| 17:10.54 | dysoco | Doesn't have any seeders apparently |
| 17:11.20 | babilen | dysoco: heh :) |
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| 17:12.56 | babilen | dysoco: Yeah, there seems to be a problem with that torrent. You might just have to wait for the regular download :-/ |
| 17:13.06 | dysoco | Yeah... will try |
| 17:13.31 | kondor_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:13.55 | jhutchins_wk | Torrents are usually pretty dead this far between releases. You should get decent speed from the servers though. |
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| 17:14.19 | babilen | dpkg: tell kondor_ about openvz |
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| 17:34.57 | DanDare | If I install wheezy today when it becomes stable doing "apt-get upgrade" will bring installation to stable or I will need a dist-upgrade ? |
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| 17:35.20 | mactimes | I've been studying the correct way/best practices to create Debian packages and I'm currently following this http://wiki.debian.org/PackagingTutorial with proper modifications due to changes in the original source package. While running "debuild -us -uc", lintian throws "no-copyright-file" error, although there *is* a copyright file, properly informed under *control* file. Would someone, please, clarify me on this? |
| 17:35.22 | pfred1 | DanDare wheezy is wheezy |
| 17:35.39 | DanDare | ok pfred1, thanks |
| 17:35.47 | pfred1 | DanDare I did the same thing before Squeeze came out |
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| 17:36.04 | pfred1 | well it was out, but not stable |
| 17:36.18 | DanDare | pfred1, I see. |
| 17:36.35 | pfred1 | well it was stable in my use but it wasn't officially annointed at that point |
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| 17:36.56 | pfred1 | I had no choice I needed the X Window Squeeze has for my graphics adapter |
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| 17:37.06 | DanDare | understand |
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| 17:37.24 | pfred1 | theoretically the one in Lenny should have worked, but it didn't for me |
| 17:37.36 | ompaul | DanDare: wheezy will be stable when it is finished - at the moment you should always do dist-upgrade to keep to the latest packages |
| 17:37.42 | babilen | "stable" has two meanings in Debian: 1. The release 2. "not changing" -- It has very little to do with "usable" or "bug free" or anything like that. |
| 17:37.44 | ompaul | it is still testing |
| 17:37.48 | jhutchins_wk | !tell mactimes about nmg |
| 17:38.10 | pfred1 | babilen a version is frozen before it is declared stable |
| 17:38.11 | jhutchins_wk | mactimes: You might seek help in #debian-mentors on oftc.net |
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| 17:38.47 | babilen | mactimes: Also http://mentors.debian.net/intro-maintainers -- but yeah, come over to #debian-mentors for further packaging help |
| 17:39.20 | jhutchins_wk | DanDare: That can happen if you use "testing" instead of "wheezy" in your sources lists. |
| 17:39.33 | mactimes | jhutchins_wk babilen Thank you! I'm looking forward to seef for help there, but I thought I could be a little bit more *ready* not to keep bothering with stupid questions all the time. |
| 17:39.40 | DanDare | ompaul, my question is if I install testing today after it becomes stable all I will need to do is "apt-get upgrade" ? This is what i understand by pfred1 answer but still not sure |
| 17:39.45 | babilen | mactimes: Please also clarify what you mean by "properly informed under *control* file" -- I don't quite get that and paste build output and the contents of your Debian file |
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| 17:39.49 | DanDare | jhutchins_wk, ahh got it |
| 17:40.00 | ompaul | DanDare: dist-upgrade until the great stablity is there |
| 17:40.01 | pfred1 | DanDare that is all I ever did |
| 17:40.21 | mactimes | babilen Roger that. Thanks. I'll paste that out in a bit. |
| 17:40.26 | ompaul | DanDare: then you upgrade until EOL |
| 17:40.32 | babilen | mactimes: The channel is /exactly/ for questions like this and everything else related to packaging. It is the "help me learn packaging" channel and there certainly are no stupid ones. |
| 17:40.57 | pfred1 | upgrading is overrated |
| 17:41.08 | DanDare | pfred1, true |
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| 17:41.20 | mactimes | babilen Oh, perfect. Thank you very very much. I'll join right now. |
| 17:41.34 | DanDare | pfred1, I usually upgrade after they end supporting security upgrades in the last distro :p |
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| 17:41.50 | DanDare | *updates |
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| 17:42.08 | pfred1 | DanDare I have systems here that still run Lenny if I turn them on |
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| 17:42.25 | pfred1 | they are normally in the off state today |
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| 17:42.32 | babilen | DanDare: You might have to run "dist-upgrade" if the removal of packages is needed. "dist-upgrade" does not only mean "upgrade from one stable release to the next" -- Read the apt manpage where the difference between upgrade and dist-upgrade is explained in details. aptitude calls them "safe-" and "full-" upgrade now. |
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| 17:43.08 | pfred1 | yes full-upgrade is what I am familiar with |
| 17:43.10 | DanDare | babilen, nice, thanks. Sure will take a look |
| 17:43.12 | babilen | DanDare: But to answer your implied question: If you install wheezy now and keep on upgrading you will end up with a /the/ stable wheezy system (as if you had installed it then) |
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| 17:43.24 | babilen | (modulo changes in the installer) |
| 17:43.32 | DanDare | babilen, ok |
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| 17:43.52 | pfred1 | unless your house gets hit by a comet then all bets are off |
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| 17:44.01 | DanDare | well, yeah |
| 17:44.42 | pfred1 | I don't like upgrading between versions it isn't always silky smooth in my experience |
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| 17:44.54 | pfred1 | oh wait a minute come ot think about it that one box is a version upgrade |
| 17:44.55 | DanDare | same here |
| 17:45.11 | pfred1 | ah it still has some issues |
| 17:45.39 | pfred1 | when i found out X Window couldn't run accelerated in Lenny I figured what the hey and I gave it a shot |
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| 17:46.42 | DanDare | I usually do fresh installs and reconfigure everything. Whats goof for me because im not messing with stuff in daily basis (even monthly basis). I mean, its a opportunity to review everything and walk through procedures again to keep stuff fresh in memory |
| 17:46.49 | DanDare | *good :) |
| 17:46.54 | ompaul | pfred1/ DanDare if you as a user / administrator want to upgrade you should understand that (Debian + random packages from other sources than Debian) -> Debian is not an upgrade, it's a chance you take, however you do debian -> debian with no other stuff in the mix then you should have a good upgrade IF you read the upgrade notes, and be aware that some desktop stuff will change so you should be ready to make allowances for that |
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| 17:47.35 | pfred1 | ompaul there was nothing random from another source it was a fresh install to an upgrade |
| 17:47.38 | DanDare | ompaul, yeah I know that |
| 17:47.53 | ompaul | pfred1/ DanDare you make allowances by creating copies of data - backups of some sort, extra copies of home directories and then muck about a bit and you don't have to do it all over again :) |
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| 17:48.10 | pfred1 | ompaul once i found out there was no way that X Window was going to accelerate with my graphics adapter i upgraded |
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| 17:49.02 | ompaul | acceleration is not all it's supposed to be sitting there reading a web page or irc hardly needs it (but I digress, you may have other wants) |
| 17:49.06 | pfred1 | well, I might have pulled a vanilla kernel from kernel.org |
| 17:49.18 | ompaul | pfred1: better to do one from backports |
| 17:49.22 | pfred1 | ompaul I like my GL Quake |
| 17:49.41 | ompaul | pfred1: as I said "other wants" |
| 17:49.42 | pfred1 | ompaul why? I don't like how Debian butchers the kernel |
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| 17:50.02 | ompaul | see my last comment |
| 17:51.09 | pfred1 | I though compositing Window Mangers used GL too? |
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| 17:52.37 | zenlunatic | + |
| 17:52.43 | zenlunatic | sry |
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| 17:59.43 | brokencycle | Hi! |
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| 18:00.04 | brokencycle | I'm having trouble with logcheck: In a private ignore rule file, I have two lines. |
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| 18:00.29 | brokencycle | Either one works if I comment out the other, but if I leave both lines in, I get |
| 18:01.00 | brokencycle | egrep: Unmatched ( or \( |
| 18:01.40 | brokencycle | Looks similar to #583376 . |
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| 18:01.51 | brokencycle | Some advice would be nice! |
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| 18:05.43 | brokencycle | Oh, and it's on a squeeze box |
| 18:05.58 | dvs | accordian? |
| 18:06.17 | ompaul | dvs: stop it |
| 18:06.29 | ompaul | has a chuckle anyway |
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| 18:06.50 | ompaul | brokencycle: why not the exact lines? |
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| 18:07.18 | brokencycle | ompaul: Beg a pardon, but I don't understand your question? |
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| 18:07.26 | ompaul | brokencycle: looks similar to the bug |
| 18:07.48 | ompaul | but if you wrote the lines in paste.debian.net it might actually get us saying Ah that's the why |
| 18:08.03 | brokencycle | ompaul: hold on a sec, I'll put them online |
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| 18:08.35 | damarusama | hi was wondering if there were a lot more occurence of problem while upgrading the libc in wheezy multiarch ? |
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| 18:09.36 | EvilGuru | Does anyone know why DSA-2632-1 is only marked as medium? |
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| 18:10.52 | brokencycle | http://paste.debian.net/240814/ |
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| 18:11.08 | ompaul | EvilGuru: local escalation |
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| 18:11.20 | ompaul | EvilGuru: not remote |
| 18:11.49 | EvilGuru | ompaul: Okay, that makes sense |
| 18:11.52 | ompaul | EvilGuru: also it's fixed |
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| 18:12.31 | EvilGuru | ompaul: Wheezy is still listed as vulnerable (I know it is not released yet, but still) |
| 18:12.32 | brokencycle | ompaul: I tried the regexps with plain Perl, and got no error message. |
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| 18:12.57 | brokencycle | (ie, they compile) |
| 18:13.03 | ompaul | nkuttler: sorry didn't see your paste |
| 18:13.05 | ompaul | hang on a mo |
| 18:13.10 | ompaul | woops |
| 18:13.17 | ompaul | nkuttler: no not you ... silly me |
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| 18:13.29 | babilen | EvilGuru: https://security-tracker.debian.org/tracker/DSA-2632-1 (where is it listed?) |
| 18:13.32 | gnude | hello debian7 developer. i try to install debian 7 on a older pc with nvida and another older pc with ati grapic card. but gnome works only with the "alternate mode" when it not found a grapiccard (with the "old" menues upper left). |
| 18:13.44 | EvilGuru | babilen: Underlying CVE is CVE-2013-0871 |
| 18:13.46 | gnude | on the same computers ubuntu greater 12.04 makes a goot unity desktop |
| 18:13.49 | jigal | hello i have trouble to configure the package manager from my installation wizard. I choose http then Netherlands and then mirrors.nl.kernel.org leave the proxy info empty and get error of bad archive mirror but i get this with any other mirror selection. any idea's? |
| 18:14.09 | gnude | why is the problem solved so good with ubuntu and debian has so much problems with grapiccards. both, nvidia and ati??? |
| 18:14.10 | babilen | dpkg: tell gnude -about radeon |
| 18:14.34 | gnude | baibilen: dont work |
| 18:14.49 | babilen | gnude: I take it that you made sure that you have firmware and libgl1-mesa-dri installed (for the radeon card) and/or the nvidia/fglrx driver for nvidia/radeon respectively? |
| 18:14.51 | DanDare | guess proprietary soft restrictions |
| 18:14.54 | babilen | gnude: What doesn't work? |
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| 18:14.59 | gnude | yes i am sure |
| 18:15.02 | gnude | both is installed |
| 18:15.08 | babilen | gnude: And what doesn't work? |
| 18:15.10 | gnude | i try much, closed source driver too |
| 18:15.20 | gnude | but i alway come to the gnome rescue mode |
| 18:15.33 | pfred1 | I never got any Debian method of installing the binary driver for my nVidia to work for me I tried a few too |
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| 18:15.43 | xeon123 | I want to see a movie that it's not in my country. I'm trying to setup the TOR, but I cannot run google-chrome in root. How do I set TOR to run in user mode? |
| 18:15.44 | brokencycle | uh. |
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| 18:16.02 | DanDare | pfred1, nvidia always worked for me |
| 18:16.07 | babilen | gnude: So, paste "lspci -nn|grep -i vga", "apt-cache policy firmware-linux-nonfree libgl1-mesa-dri" and "glxinfo|grep render" to http://paste.debian.net please |
| 18:16.13 | babilen | gnude: (from the radeon machine) |
| 18:16.16 | DanDare | pfred1, but its a while the last time i had a debian desktop installation |
| 18:16.17 | pfred1 | DanDare it works for me too if I use nVidia's installer |
| 18:16.23 | ompaul | brokencycle: and to save me total brain damage - what are your error messages when both are in order |
| 18:16.26 | mumpitze1 | xeon123: tor provides a socks proxy. use this with chrome |
| 18:16.37 | gnude | ok |
| 18:16.37 | ompaul | brokencycle:both in play |
| 18:16.43 | gnude | i am not at work at the moment |
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| 18:17.15 | babilen | gnude: Ok, so we cannot debug this problem right now because you don't have access to the machines? Is that correct? |
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| 18:17.19 | brokencycle | ompaul: I only get this "egrep: Unmatched ( or \(", using this invocation of logcheck: |
| 18:17.23 | mumpitze1 | gnude: which driver exactly do you want to install for which exact videocard? |
| 18:17.31 | gnude | ok |
| 18:17.41 | brokencycle | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:17.45 | babilen | gnude: "ok" as in: "yes that is correct" ? |
| 18:17.46 | xeon123 | mumpitze1: what do you mean? |
| 18:17.47 | gnude | i have thread at the debianforum. much information i paste here. http://debianforum.de/forum/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=141313 |
| 18:17.48 | brokencycle | but I'm checking some more |
| 18:17.51 | DanDare | pfred1, i think it worked in Xfree times :p |
| 18:17.56 | mumpitze1 | xeon123: I mean what I wrote |
| 18:18.01 | xeon123 | mumpitze1: do I need to be a root? |
| 18:18.06 | pfred1 | DanDare a lot has changed since then |
| 18:18.08 | gnude | here i post lspci, the xorg.conf (i test with) and wich driver i installes |
| 18:18.12 | mumpitze1 | xeon123: no |
| 18:18.30 | DanDare | pfred1, sure |
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| 18:18.36 | gnude | it is realy pitty, i want to use it on the pc on work, and private. but on both ony the classic mode of gnome works |
| 18:18.45 | xeon123 | mumpitze1: you mean run the program torsocks |
| 18:18.47 | gnude | a little bit eye-candy would be nice. |
| 18:19.01 | DanDare | pfred1, i see |
| 18:19.13 | gnude | is there hope, that the code before the release would be changed, so that i can hope the final release work other? |
| 18:19.15 | brokencycle | ompaul: looks like I overstated it... |
| 18:19.21 | babilen | gnude: So, can we work on that problem right now or not? |
| 18:19.26 | gnude | at the moment i try a testing about 1,5 weeks old |
| 18:19.40 | gnude | babilen: at the moment the computer not here. |
| 18:19.51 | mumpitze1 | gnude: you install a non debian driver, a driver which cannot even work since amd doesn't support your ancient videocard, especially not with the current driver. and you still expect it to work? |
| 18:19.53 | gnude | babilen: we can work on that next week. |
| 18:19.58 | ompaul | brokencycle: shout back if you still are not happy |
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| 18:20.23 | mumpitze1 | gnude: it will never work since you want to use a driver which cannot work since amd doesn't support your card with it |
| 18:20.41 | brokencycle | ompaul: ok, thanks! |
| 18:21.10 | gnude | i try the debian own driver tool |
| 18:21.12 | babilen | gnude: Ok, fair enough. Not sure what we can do about your problem then. AFAICT somebody mentioned that you need a newer fglrx version for that card (if you use fglrx) ... But I will not continue investigating this as you have no access to the machine. |
| 18:21.17 | ompaul | brokencycle: hit the channel - if I'm here I'll look |
| 18:21.36 | gnude | i addes experimental to the sources.list and try a driver from tehre |
| 18:21.38 | gnude | there |
| 18:21.40 | gnude | but dont work |
| 18:21.40 | gnude | ok |
| 18:21.52 | gnude | like i wrote i am not at the machine at the moment |
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| 18:22.05 | gnude | when i am back there next week, we can try it together? |
| 18:22.08 | babilen | gnude: Ok, so come back once you are and we can investigate this problem in detail. |
| 18:22.15 | gnude | i do |
| 18:22.19 | mumpitze1 | xeon123: tor already comes with a socks server at port 9050 by default. point your browser there |
| 18:22.26 | gnude | how is the chance to get it to work? good or bad? |
| 18:22.40 | babilen | gnude: I have no clue whatsoever |
| 18:22.47 | xeon123 | mumpitze1: set the proxy to localhost:9050? |
| 18:22.48 | mumpitze1 | babilen: a newer driver for a radeon 7000/RV100 ? |
| 18:23.00 | babilen | gnude: If the hardware is not supported by /any/ kernel or proprietary driver |
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| 18:23.38 | gnude | ok |
| 18:23.39 | babilen | mumpitze1: I have no idea, I have no interest in investigating this at this point in time as gnude has no way to provide output of commands and try various things due to him/her not having access to the machine in question |
| 18:23.49 | gnude | we will see next week |
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| 18:24.25 | babilen | gnude: But isn't a rdaeon 7000 pretty old? |
| 18:24.29 | babilen | checks |
| 18:24.44 | dvs | babilen: not really |
| 18:24.47 | dvs | current generation |
| 18:24.49 | mumpitze1 | babilen: he pasted a link to a forum where he gave output. and the output shows he's trying to use a fglrx driver with the version 1:12-6+point-1 for a radeon rv100 7000/VE |
| 18:25.04 | mumpitze1 | dvs: no it's ancient. there is no radeon 7000. doesn't exist |
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| 18:25.23 | mumpitze1 | dvs: the card itself is called radeon 7000. which is pretty much the first radeon eve |
| 18:25.28 | dvs | mumpitze1: Oh, I was thinking HD 7000 sorry |
| 18:25.38 | mumpitze1 | dvs: HD 7000 doesn't exist either |
| 18:25.55 | gnude | ok |
| 18:25.58 | gnude | we see next week |
| 18:26.00 | babilen | Well, so the radeon /is/ ancient |
| 18:26.05 | gnude | nice sunday evening! |
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| 18:26.20 | babilen | so it should either be supported by the free radeon driver or the fglrx-legacy one |
| 18:26.25 | babilen | dpkg: tell gnude -about radeon |
| 18:26.26 | mumpitze1 | the normal radeon driver supports it out of the box and it's the only driver that supports it afaik |
| 18:26.29 | babilen | dpkg: tell gnude -about fglrx dkms |
| 18:26.57 | babilen | gnude: (but make sure to install the legacy one /iff/ that is supported, IIRC AMD/ATI has a "which driver supports my card" help tool on their website) |
| 18:27.11 | babilen | It might very well be that they dropped support for it |
| 18:27.14 | pfred1 | AMD is circling the drain toss that gfx card out |
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| 18:27.29 | babilen | I also wouldn't necessarily expect it to be recent enough for Gnome 3, but then ... |
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| 18:27.34 | mumpitze1 | pfred1: please think before you type. if you can |
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| 18:27.58 | pfred1 | mumpitze1 I did I thought AMD laid off all of their Linux development team |
| 18:28.43 | mumpitze1 | amd has stopped support for this card several years already. but then, thinking is hard |
| 18:28.58 | pfred1 | mumpitze1 AMD has stopped all Linux support |
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| 18:47.02 | mikelo | hi, my new generation dell freezes as soon as i start using the GUI... where do i find the logs? |
| 18:48.16 | dvs | mikelo: /var/log/xorg.0.log? |
| 18:49.26 | mikelo | ok... but what do i grep for? |
| 18:49.48 | dvs | mikelo: (EE) |
| 18:49.52 | mikelo | ok |
| 18:49.57 | mikelo | tnx |
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| 18:58.14 | mikelo | dvs, says AIGLX error... cant find file /usr/lib/x86_64.../dri/i965_dri.so |
| 18:59.05 | dvs | ,find i965_dri.so |
| 18:59.08 | judd | Search for i965_dri.so in squeeze/i386: libgl1-mesa-dri: usr/lib/dri/i965_dri.so; libgl1-mesa-dri-dbg: usr/lib/debug/usr/lib/dri/i965_dri.so |
| 18:59.59 | mikelo | im on amd64... |
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| 19:00.21 | mikelo | in fact the file is nowhere in /usr/lib |
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| 19:00.28 | dvs | ,find i965_dri.so amd64 |
| 19:00.31 | judd | Search for i965_dri.so in squeeze/i386: libgl1-mesa-dri: usr/lib/dri/i965_dri.so; libgl1-mesa-dri-dbg: usr/lib/debug/usr/lib/dri/i965_dri.so |
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| 19:02.31 | mikelo | tnx |
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| 19:02.39 | dvs | np |
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| 19:07.46 | dizzylizzy | I have a question. let's say my home directory is /home/lizzy -- why is it that I can view documents in other people's home folders, like /home/testuser |
| 19:08.27 | dvs | dizzylizzy: because the default permission on the /home/lizzy directory. |
| 19:08.53 | dizzylizzy | Shouldn't this decidedly NOT be the default? |
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| 19:09.35 | dizzylizzy | When testuser logs in, the contents are /home/lizzy are similarly readable |
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| 19:09.56 | sencha | dizzylizzy, chmod go-rwx /home/testuser /home/lizzy |
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| 19:10.26 | mikelo | dvs, libmesa made me remove nouveu driver that may have been causing the problems |
| 19:10.42 | gimpy64 | dizzylizzy: If a user wants privacy they can set their own umask. |
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| 19:11.08 | dvs | mikelo: Oh, I dont use an Nvidia card. |
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| 19:13.17 | dizzylizzy | sencha, thanks, reading the man page now makes more sense, thanks for the tip |
| 19:13.21 | dizzylizzy | gimpy64, seems off to me |
| 19:13.31 | dizzylizzy | strange to me that that isn't the default |
| 19:13.37 | dizzylizzy | seems like a terrible privacy plan |
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| 19:13.45 | sencha | dizzylizzy, I forget what the default is on other distros (might be the same, I don't know) |
| 19:14.50 | gimpy64 | dizzylizzy: Unix/Linux systems have traditionally been very open. If you want to keep people out then you must make that configuration change yourself. |
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| 19:15.35 | dizzylizzy | I'm glad I know how to make that change now :) |
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| 19:15.44 | gimpy64 | dizzylizzy: On public systems such as my university's timesharing each home directory is created with "pub" and "private" directories for users to decide where they want to keep what data. |
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| 19:16.14 | gimpy64 | Though in that case that is mostly due to it using AFS which has its own permissions system most people are too lazy to learn. |
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| 19:17.24 | theseb | If a laptop has no HDMI port....is it cheap to buy something to get one? where plug it into a laptop? |
| 19:18.07 | pmo | what do you mean? |
| 19:19.52 | gimpy64 | theseb: There are laptops which can handle external video cards but most likely yours does not. There are adapters for DVI-->HDMI too but remember if you want audio via HDMI too that's separate. |
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| 19:21.18 | mathoum | Hello, i boot up wheezy for the first time, and after the greeter, i only have wallpaper and cursor. It works with 'gnome Classic'. I think it is a 3D Accel problem. Direct rendering : Yes but glxgears show me no gears. Would you help me please ? |
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| 19:23.05 | ocei3ko | People use gnome? |
| 19:23.14 | ocei3ko | Probably the 3D accel |
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| 19:24.54 | mikelo | dvs, made me log into unity without asking |
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| 19:25.14 | brontosaurusrex | can someone on sid or wheezy share the output of "cat /sys/block/sdb/queue/scheduler" ? |
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| 19:25.32 | brontosaurusrex | or sda |
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| 19:25.37 | sencha | brontosaurusrex, on wheezy : noop deadline [cfq] |
| 19:26.05 | brontosaurusrex | sencha, thanks |
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| 19:27.03 | sencha | mathoum, what video card? |
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| 19:27.17 | brontosaurusrex | iam having quite a desktop slowdown on medium and heavy hdd usage and i wonder if should use some other scheduler or perhaps a newer kernel? |
| 19:28.14 | brontosaurusrex | also: would a non-integrated video card make any difference? |
| 19:28.29 | brontosaurusrex | i think i have some nvidia lying around ... |
| 19:29.33 | sencha | brontosaurusrex, how much ram do you have in this machine? |
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| 19:30.13 | mumpitze1 | so when I want wine 1.5 I should use the one from http://dev.carbon-project.org ? |
| 19:30.20 | mumpitze1 | for wheezy that is |
| 19:30.25 | mathoum | sencha, i have hd4000 with passthrough |
| 19:30.39 | brontosaurusrex | sencha, 1 gig |
| 19:32.08 | theseb | gimpy64: thanks |
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| 19:34.34 | sencha | mathoum, I don't know what passthrough is/means |
| 19:34.47 | sencha | (I'm not an expert by any means) |
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| 19:39.07 | ompaul | brontosaurusrex: you should grab more ram for a start (if your hardware works with it - there were some boxes sold (mostly cheaper ones) that wouldn't accept newer video cards) |
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| 19:40.51 | sencha | brontosaurusrex, yeah, I'd monitor the amount of RAM your system is using when you're using the hdd heavily |
| 19:40.59 | sencha | and/or CPU use |
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| 19:44.26 | brokencycle | ok. now my regexps match for sure (wrote a test program), but logcheck still does not ignore the lines. |
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| 19:46.02 | brokencycle | typo |
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| 19:48.34 | brokencycle | http://paste.debian.net/240827/ |
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| 19:48.54 | ompaul | and the actual error message is? |
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| 19:49.36 | ompaul | brokencycle: are you trying to figure out when you get a mail from ipv6 for some tactical reason? |
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| 19:49.39 | jonathanpoon | hi everyone, I'm having a bit of a confusingproblem with wxPython. I'm trying to run a python code through X11forwarding from a linux server. On my windows machine using putty/xming,the program works fine. However, on my debian box, I get a libwx_gtk2u core -2.8.so.0 error 4 seg fault when I try to run the same program. Any ideas on what could cause this? |
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| 19:50.42 | brokencycle | opaul: no- that simply copied from the standard amavisd-new logcheck file. did a test program with only this expression and a few sample log lines to see whether it matches, and it does. |
| 19:50.47 | ompaul | jonathanpoon: my suggestion may seem trite but it isn't, because the code is not portable, or if it is you can't make the terminal make it work - suggest you try running it native first |
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| 19:51.05 | brokencycle | so i expected these lines to be ignored from the logcheck output, but i still get them |
| 19:51.08 | jonathanpoon | ompaul: it works natively on the debian box |
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| 19:51.14 | brokencycle | (but i do have ipv6 |
| 19:51.15 | brokencycle | ) |
| 19:51.25 | ompaul | jonathanpoon: so the terminal can't push it across the boundry because of some locale issue |
| 19:51.32 | jonathanpoon | ompaul: it fails when I run the code on another server through X11 forwarding |
| 19:51.51 | ompaul | jonathanpoon: what is your incantation to make it run on the other box |
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| 19:52.00 | brokencycle | so not weeding out ipv6 is asking for trouble down the road, imho. |
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| 19:52.16 | jonathanpoon | I want the code to be hosted on a more powerful machine where multiple users can run |
| 19:52.53 | ompaul | jonathanpoon: no issue with what you want, however I asked what is your incantation to make it run on the other box |
| 19:53.43 | jonathanpoon | ompaul: not sure what you mean by incantation |
| 19:54.02 | ompaul | command |
| 19:54.17 | ompaul | *(the exact magic you tried to use) |
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| 19:54.31 | jonathanpoon | so I login through SSH using the command ssh -Y <address> |
| 19:54.44 | ompaul | and then what |
| 19:54.48 | jonathanpoon | then I just run the executable |
| 19:54.54 | jonathanpoon | through the terminal |
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| 19:54.59 | brontosaurusrex | sencha, ram usage is low, actually it never gets pass the 500 megs + ocassional swapines |
| 19:55.14 | jonathanpoon | just like I would if I wanted to run something like xclock |
| 19:55.19 | brontosaurusrex | sencha, also this the 2nd machine running wheezy with same simptoms |
| 19:55.32 | brontosaurusrex | the other one has 2 gigs of ram |
| 19:55.47 | brontosaurusrex | so it has to be either kernel itself or scheduler |
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| 19:56.49 | brontosaurusrex | i do remember same behaviour on ancient ubuntu (was it 9.10?) systems |
| 19:56.52 | ompaul | jonathanpoon: to use Xclock on box2 from box one I'd do this ompaul@box1:~$ ssh -X ompaul@box2 xclock this runs xclock on box2 with display on box1 have I the wrong end of the stick? |
| 19:58.06 | sencha | brontosaurusrex, is DMA enabled? |
| 19:58.12 | dizzylizzy | wow, xz really does use exorbitant amounts of memory. |
| 19:58.16 | brontosaurusrex | yes, dma6 for both disks |
| 19:58.17 | jonathanpoon | thats pretty much how I do it |
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| 19:58.47 | jonathanpoon | ompaul: is that incorrect in how I should run programs through X11 forwarding? |
| 19:58.49 | ompaul | jonathanpoon: put the sript on box2 into /usr/local/bin and then see what happens |
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| 19:59.33 | jonathanpoon | does location on box2 matter? |
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| 19:59.59 | ompaul | jonathanpoon: no but if it is not on your path you will want the full path |
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| 20:00.01 | jhutchins_wk | jonathanpoon: Only if you're relying on the path. |
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| 20:00.15 | jonathanpoon | I will give that a shot when I Get back...I'm need to step out for a sedc |
| 20:00.23 | jonathanpoon | thanks for your help! |
| 20:00.50 | ompaul | jonathanpoon: as for your actual question - http://tldp.org/HOWTO/XDMCP-HOWTO/ssh.html |
| 20:01.09 | ompaul | just for checking your expectation |
| 20:01.39 | sencha | brontosaurusrex, I'm not really sure. You could try changing schedulers, but for some reason I don't think that'll help |
| 20:02.05 | brontosaurusrex | ok, thanks |
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| 20:03.51 | jhutchins_wk | brontosaurusrex: Do you have smartmontools installed? |
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| 20:10.13 | coffeecup_ | i would like to automount my backupftp with curlftpfs, i added curlftpfs#<serverip> /backup/backupftp fuse allow_other,uid=0,gid=0,umask=0022,_netdev 0 0 to /etc/fstab and put the login details in /root/.netrc, but the ftp doesn'get mounted when i reboot - mount -a works and i can't find any errors in dmesg, how can i debug this? i've got the same config working on another machine |
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| 20:12.03 | jhutchins_wk | coffeecup_: Take a look at the _netdisk parameter, but fuse is a userspace function, and may not work unless you're logged in. |
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| 20:12.18 | gimpy64 | coffeecup_: If theres an option for it to be mounted only after the network comes up, try that. |
| 20:12.41 | jhutchins_wk | That would be _netdisk |
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| 20:13.02 | coffeecup_ | i thought _netdev would be responsible for that |
| 20:13.19 | jhutchins_wk | Oops, yeah, _netdev |
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| 20:13.37 | jhutchins_wk | Which is why I suggested checking the manpage - it's much more reliable than my memory. |
| 20:13.57 | coffeecup_ | mhmh yea, i thought that would fix it but unfortunatly it doesn't |
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| 20:14.28 | brontosaurusrex | jhutchins_wk, nope |
| 20:14.51 | jhutchins_wk | brontosaurusrex: You might want to install & enable that and check the logs for disk errors. |
| 20:15.02 | brontosaurusrex | ok |
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| 20:17.58 | coffeecup_ | in dmesg i see the line [ 3.775425] fuse init (API version 7.13), i don't know if it realy waits until then because the other devices are mounted earlier |
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| 20:22.43 | brontosaurusrex | jhutchins_wk, would this http://paste.debian.net/plain/240832 tell you anything? |
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| 20:26.10 | jigal | hi i am doing a new installation of a debian too use as a server on a vps. Which partitioning method should i choose? |
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| 20:27.07 | jhutchins_wk | brontosaurusrex: I do see read errors. Keep a close eye on the logs. If you see a significant number of errors get a new disk - fast. |
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| 20:31.07 | brontosaurusrex | jhutchins_wk, ok, its a system build from spare parts, still doesnt explain the desktop freezing on medium/high hdd |
| 20:31.11 | brontosaurusrex | traffic |
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| 20:32.10 | fleeky | anyone tried linux mint - debian edition ?! |
| 20:32.20 | jhutchins_wk | brontosaurusrex: Yeah, it would explain the slow down. I would recmommend making plans for a new drive. You _might_ not need it. |
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| 20:33.56 | jhutchins_wk | brontosaurusrex: The system is fairly tolerant of drive faults. It will wait & retry for what is a long time to the system, which will slow down operations. |
| 20:34.05 | Seekanet | can anyone help me? http://pastebin.com/HAJZw3rg im trying to get debian to finish its boot sequence |
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| 20:34.30 | jhutchins_wk | brontosaurusrex: Listen to the drive when it's slow - you may learn to hear what a failing drive sounds like. |
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| 20:36.56 | jhutchins_wk | wonders why people post errors that contain specific instructions on how to correct them, then ask what they should do. |
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| 20:38.24 | ghost75 | http://paste.debian.net/240835/ <- which package this applies, please advise |
| 20:38.41 | Seekanet | jhutchins_wk, you dont know :P |
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| 20:39.38 | jhutchins_wk | Seekanet: Do you not understand what it's telling you? |
| 20:39.47 | brontosaurusrex | jhutchins_wk, right, makes sense |
| 20:40.01 | Seekanet | jhutchins_wk, if i did, i wouldnt be asking now would i |
| 20:40.03 | man_lub | k |
| 20:40.12 | jhutchins_wk | Seekanet: You'd be surprized. |
| 20:40.31 | Seekanet | jhutchins_wk ;[ |
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| 20:40.48 | jhutchins_wk | Seekanet: Either there's something wrong with the disk that should have your root filesystem, or the name of the disk has changed since the install (different boot order, different kernel). |
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| 20:41.33 | jhutchins_wk | Seekanet: You need to tell grub where to find / |
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| 20:42.11 | Seekanet | jhutchins_wk; as in one of those options, such as 'root=lf00' ? |
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| 20:43.04 | jhutchins_wk | Seekanet: Yes. There's even a way to find it using the grub command line. |
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| 20:43.14 | jhutchins_wk | Seekanet: I'm looking for a good howto, I forget the details. |
| 20:44.12 | jhutchins_wk | Seekanet: Start with this: http://wiki.debian.org/GrubConfiguration |
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| 20:45.36 | jhutchins_wk | Seekanet: This should help with what you actually need to do: http://www.mepis.org/docs/en/index.php?title=GRUB_from_command_line |
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| 20:51.01 | ompaul | Seekanet: did you change the machine layout since the install? |
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| 20:51.05 | ompaul | is just curious |
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| 20:51.49 | Seekanet | jhutchins_wk i should mention its not using grub. its serial porting through a router |
| 20:51.53 | Seekanet | ompaul ^ |
| 20:52.24 | ompaul | Seekanet: ah, I'll back away from it :) |
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| 20:53.13 | Seekanet | we are all here to help eachother ompaul i value everyones opinion |
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| 20:54.08 | dizzylizzy | The proper way to not start a daemon at startup is still "# mv /etc/rc2.d/S23kdm /etc/rc2.d/K77kdm" right? |
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| 20:54.57 | ompaul | service foo start (in most cases) might yield better results :) |
| 20:55.21 | jhutchins_wk | Seekanet: Your bootloader can't find the root drive. If it's not grub, I have no idea what could have gone wrong. |
| 20:55.25 | rudi_s | dizzylizzy: update-rc.d service disable |
| 20:55.28 | dizzylizzy | oh |
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| 20:55.57 | kaste | I have a raid1 where one drive failed, I replaced it with a different one and did mdadm --manage /dev/md/1 --add /dev/sdg2 |
| 20:55.57 | rudi_s | Which does more or less the same, but is easier to remember and updates the boot dependencies. |
| 20:56.04 | jhutchins_wk | Seekanet: There is a hint that the driver required to connect to the root drive may not be loaded in the initrd. |
| 20:56.26 | dizzylizzy | rudi_s, thanks oodles! |
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| 20:56.31 | rudi_s | np |
| 20:56.31 | kaste | I waited for the reassembly to finish and rebooted the system, the new drive was not seen as part of the raid. Am I doing something wrong? |
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| 20:57.05 | ompaul | kaste: stupid question how to you work that out? |
| 20:57.15 | kaste | cat /proc/mdstat |
| 20:58.15 | kaste | or if you mean how i know it's not seen as such? It tells me on reboot that it reassembles the array with 1 out of 2 disks |
| 20:58.17 | jhutchins_wk | Having worked with RAID arrays since the 90's, this past week was the first time I simply swapped a drive and got complete recovery. |
| 20:58.37 | ompaul | jhutchins_wk: :-) |
| 20:59.21 | kaste | Do you have an idea how to fix this? |
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| 21:01.09 | ompaul | kaste: well I'm kind of wondering did you remove the disk from the raid before you installed the new one? |
| 21:01.22 | dizzylizzy | gawd, so many daemons in /etc/rc2.d/ that I don't think I'm using starting at startup. I bet I could get my system to start much faster if I disable the ones I never use |
| 21:01.41 | ompaul | kaste: I'm luckier than most - disks haven't failed on me so I don't have that background - I run machines and kill them early |
| 21:01.54 | ompaul | and I use hardware raid so if that controller goes I'm out of business |
| 21:02.17 | jelly-home | ompaul: that's why you have a spare controller sitting on the shelf |
| 21:02.42 | kaste | I am unsure of how to remove it from the md without the device present anymore |
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| 21:04.31 | rudi_s | dizzylizzy: Better remove them completely if you're not using them. deborphan helps with finding unused packages. |
| 21:04.46 | gitsu-sa | has Debian install disk, proprietary firmware for *net things? |
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| 21:04.55 | Seekanet | jhutchins_wk, its a router im connecting to through console/usb cable |
| 21:05.11 | jhutchins_wk | !installer firmware |
| 21:05.12 | kondor` | jhutchins_wk: Error: "installer" is not a valid command. |
| 21:05.12 | kondor | jhutchins_wk: Error: "installer" is not a valid command. |
| 21:05.12 | dpkg | Debian-Installer is able to load additional <firmware>, by including it within installation media or supplying on removable media (e.g. USB stick, floppy). See http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch06s04 . To include firmware within Debian <netboot> images, see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/NetbootFirmware . See also <firmware images>, <installer firmware wheezy>. |
| 21:05.41 | jhutchins_wk | dondelelcaro: Is kondor perhaps a rogue bot that shouldn't be here? |
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| 21:06.22 | babilen | !wb |
| 21:06.23 | kondor` | babilen: Error: "wb" is not a valid command. |
| 21:06.23 | kondor | babilen: Error: "wb" is not a valid command. |
| 21:06.23 | dpkg | thanks, babilen. It's good to be back. |
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| 21:07.17 | babilen | jhutchins_wk: Very much so, yeah. |
| 21:07.35 | gitsu-sa | can you choose what DE install? |
| 21:07.47 | babilen | gitsu-sa: you can |
| 21:07.59 | gitsu-sa | babilen: with the net-inst? how? |
| 21:08.05 | babilen | gitsu-sa: Which DE would you like to install? |
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| 21:08.10 | gitsu-sa | babilen: KDE |
| 21:08.15 | babilen | dpkg: tell gitsu-sa -about install kde |
| 21:08.18 | babilen | dpkg: tell gitsu-sa -about install wheezy |
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| 21:08.35 | babilen | dpkg: tell gitsu-sa -about firmware images wheezy |
| 21:08.42 | ScabbyMadman | mtn, you around |
| 21:08.46 | babilen | gitsu-sa: That should get you going :) |
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| 21:11.48 | dizzylizzy | rudi_s, a problem is knowing whether or not a program that's running (that I either know about or don't know about) relies on a service... I'm working through the package descriptions and manual pages for each of these daemons to determine whether it's likely to be used by something I use |
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| 21:12.50 | rudi_s | dizzylizzy: If it _depends_ on it, then it has a dependency on the program and you can't remove it with apt-get/aptitude. If it's just an enhancement it uses Recommends/Suggests and then the feature will no longer work. But you'll notice that sooner or later. |
| 21:13.03 | lei | ^ÂÊÎÔÛâêîôûĈĉĜĝĤĥĴĵŜŝŴŵŶŷˆ̭̂᷍ḒḓḘḙḼḽṊṋṰṱṶṷẐẑẤấẦầẨẩẪẫẬậẾếỀềỂểỄễỆệỐốỒồỔổỖỗỘộ⨣⨶⩯ꞈ＾ |
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| 21:13.19 | dizzylizzy | rudi_s, it's why I'd prefer to just use that update-rc.d daemon disable thing |
| 21:13.37 | dizzylizzy | it probably won't break my system to the point of unusability and probably will be recoverable |
| 21:13.41 | dizzylizzy | aptitude why might help though |
| 21:13.42 | rudi_s | Good point .. |
| 21:14.04 | rudi_s | I guess my system is too simple as I never had that problem. I've only those daemons installed which I really need. |
| 21:14.33 | dizzylizzy | I just kind of pulled too much when I first installed this system, just doing spring cleaning |
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| 21:31.18 | _ultimate | can someone help me out, i have tried to joint the ubuntu channel but it tells me i am banned, i have not asked for help there that i can ever remember and have not abused anyone, who can i contact? |
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| 21:31.40 | rww | _ultimate: /join #ubuntu-ops |
| 21:31.49 | _ultimate | ok i will try there |
| 21:31.51 | _ultimate | thanks |
| 21:32.04 | rww | _ultimate: probably because of your ident, though |
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| 21:34.10 | rryoumaa | i thought ubuntu was going to be debian with frequent releases, but it is diverging rapidly |
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| 21:35.25 | jelly-home | you can still use it as "debian with frequent releases" if you're careful enough |
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| 21:36.28 | jelly-home | just stay away from the things you do not need, and use their own support venues instead of this channel |
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| 21:51.59 | teus | hi, i just installed wheezy. i don't manage to specify mount options, debian always overrides my options with the default settings. what is going on? |
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| 21:53.12 | StarFscker | Hello! |
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| 21:53.36 | StarFscker | I am using Debian Sid, but I have an issue. My touchpad won't work. It happened fairly arbitrarily, no dropping, no damage, it just stopped mid-use. |
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| 21:53.48 | StarFscker | I can use a USB mouse but that's not really portanle |
| 21:53.55 | StarFscker | How would I even begin to start fixing this? |
| 21:55.18 | StarFscker | If I grep for "syna" from dmesg, I get this: |
| 21:55.21 | jhutchins_wk | !sid |
| 21:55.21 | StarFscker | [ 12.753851] psmouse serio1: synaptics: Touchpad model: 1, fw: 7.5, id: 0x1e0b1, caps: 0xd00073/0x240000/0xa0400 |
| 21:55.22 | dpkg | i heard sid is the codename for <unstable>, named after the kid in Toy Story that breaks toys. The great thing about running sid is that, when it breaks you get to keep ALL the pieces!! |
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| 21:55.42 | StarFscker | yeah but just because I'm using sid doesn't mean you shouldn't help. :c |
| 21:56.30 | StarFscker | If it's really an issue I should be able to write up a good bug report at the very least. |
| 21:56.42 | StarFscker | but I'm really crappy at input stuff, so I have no idea what to include. |
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| 21:58.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | there's #debian-next on irc.oftc.net for testing/unstable... although things get a bit mixed up now that wheezy is so close to becoming stable |
| 21:58.44 | StarFscker | Okay, thank you |
| 21:58.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | and dunno... reboot fixes your problem for a time? |
| 21:58.58 | StarFscker | nope. :\ |
| 21:59.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | then I'd watch out if you get anything in dmesg whenever it drops out |
| 21:59.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm, so it could have been an upgrade you got on sid? |
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| 21:59.34 | StarFscker | I though it was because I started the computer with the usb mouse connected or something... you know, sorta like how sometimes it fails to boot when you have a mass storage USB device attached. |
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| 21:59.46 | StarFscker | because it's trying to fsck a terabyte NTFS drive. |
| 22:00.13 | StarFscker | I am not authorized to be in #debian-next |
| 22:00.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | read that line I wrote again :) |
| 22:00.58 | StarFscker | oh shoes, wrong server. :P |
| 22:01.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | rrrrright |
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| 22:02.17 | StarFscker | found it. |
| 22:02.19 | StarFscker | awesome, thank you. |
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| 22:02.33 | acu | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:02.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, look what /var/log/Xorg.0.log can tell you about it.. |
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| 22:03.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | acu, nah, I'll write another 100 bug reports which are all "grave" next week and then you'Re not |
| 22:03.20 | StarFscker | wow, as soon as I explained the problem, it fixed. |
| 22:03.38 | StarFscker | I re-installed the synaptec driver. Who knew? |
| 22:04.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | hah |
| 22:05.25 | acu | CutMeOwnThroat, you may be right, new bugs will surface :) |
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| 22:17.50 | Seekanet | jhutchins_wk, still there? |
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| 22:20.34 | BW^- | gah, i have an ancient etch virtualbox and i wanted to install a new OpenSSL version on it, so i tar xvfz file; cd openssl*; ./config shared; make; make install |
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| 22:21.21 | BW^- | i get /usr/local/lib/libssl.so.1.0.0 - funny it's not called 1.0.1 but anyhow |
| 22:21.22 | BW^- | now, even doing LD_PRELOAD=/usr/local/lib/op LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/usr/local/lib /usr/local/bin/openssl |
| 22:21.22 | BW^- | and typing version |
| 22:21.27 | BW^- | still gives me the old version number, 1.0.0e . what do? |
| 22:21.44 | BW^- | LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/usr/local/lib/libssl.so.1.0.0 /usr/local/bin/openssl |
| 22:24.22 | ompaul | !etch |
| 22:24.23 | dpkg | Etch is the codename for Debian GNU/Linux 4.0, released on April 8th, 2007. Etch security support ended on 2010-02-15, this release is no longer supported. Etch users should upgrade to Lenny, ask me about <etch->lenny>. Removed from the mirrors (2010-06-20); ask me about <etch sources.list>. For old Etch ISOs, ask me about <etch iso>. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEtch http://www.debian.org/News/2010/20100121 |
| 22:24.24 | BW^- | yes i know |
| 22:24.24 | BW^- | though, installing some new openssl version is quite fundamental and can be done on any debian version |
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| 22:24.24 | ompaul | did you uninstall the old stuff first |
| 22:24.24 | ompaul | btw are you going to have fun because of the blacklisted stuff in newer versions? |
| 22:24.26 | ompaul | and no I don't have an etch box to test a build on |
| 22:24.40 | ompaul | did install etch in a vm once - it lasted 2 hours that vm |
| 22:24.48 | BW^- | ah, the new openssl was in /usr/local/ssl/ so it was /usr/local/ssl/bin/openssl |
| 22:25.00 | BW^- | super |
| 22:25.05 | ompaul | updateb (the cheats guide to locate) |
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| 22:25.10 | BW^- | ompaul: just too lazy to upgrade the etch box, it's just a local thing anyhow |
| 22:25.14 | ompaul | updateb (the cheats guide to find) |
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| 22:25.24 | ompaul | then why did the openssl matter? |
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| 22:26.08 | ompaul | does not understand that - but you may enlighten me BW^- (thus your query becomes a query) |
| 22:27.04 | BW^- | ompaul: trying some development things |
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| 22:27.49 | jelly-home | BW^-: "too lazy to upgrade" seems to be in clash with "quite fundamental" tho |
| 22:27.51 | ompaul | BW^-: lenny came and went too and squeeze is almost gone so the idea that you maintain that image and have to do stuff to it is intersting |
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| 22:28.56 | jhutchins_wk | BW^-: Etch to Lenny was a pretty big improvement. Lenny to squeeze not so much, but there was much enthusiasm for killing Lenny off for some reason. |
| 22:29.10 | jelly-home | somewhere there are legitimate reasons to keep an old system working, but VMs offer easy ways to upgrade, test if it worked, and roll back if it didn't |
| 22:29.19 | BW^- | ah yes i know, i should just reinstall it someday |
| 22:29.55 | ompaul | jhutchins_wk: cos teh shiny |
| 22:30.02 | ompaul | guesses |
| 22:30.06 | jhutchins_wk | BW^-: Actually, the upgrade path from Etch to squeeze is pretty smooth. There's an SQL version bump that causes some extra work, but that's the biggest danger. |
| 22:31.10 | jhutchins_wk | ompaul: Part of it is probably a desire to focus use, therefor bugreports and work, on the new versions of thing like Gnome and KDE. |
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| 22:31.54 | ompaul | jhutchins_wk: that makes sense |
| 22:32.31 | ompaul | in the future there should be a ban on upgrading when xmas themes hit the desktop :) |
| 22:32.36 | ompaul | it should be a bug |
| 22:32.54 | jhutchins_wk | Heh |
| 22:33.00 | ompaul | woops I'll -> #debian-offtopic |
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| 22:41.15 | txomon | hi, anyone knows how to make someone look at a specific bug 597860 ?? |
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| 22:43.27 | txomon | ,dbugs 597860 |
| 22:43.34 | txomon | !dbugs 597860 |
| 22:43.43 | dpkg | #597860:M[texmaker] texmaker: Accents in Spanish with UTF-8 (); Thu, 23 Sep 2010 16:45:01 UTC [] |
| 22:44.22 | jonathanpoon | hi ompaul: is there a particular reason why the PATH structure on the remote host where I'm running the program from through X11 forwarding has to be the same as the local host? |
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| 22:46.04 | ompaul | jonathanpoon: none what so ever as long as you don't call things that are in different places - or set envs that don't exist etc, i.e. make allowances for the things you have that are different |
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| 22:49.32 | ompaul | jonathanpoon: the -X stuff helps with protection of security |
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| 22:52.51 | ompaul | jonathanpoon: and don't use resources that can lock up |
| 22:52.54 | ompaul | jonathanpoon: one thing - running X apps on a non gui machine mightn't be great but running X apps on a gui box not running X should be a cinch |
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| 22:53.21 | shodan45 | I know that genisoimage replaced mkisofs, but is there a way to "emulate" that mkisofs is installed anyway? |
| 22:53.21 | ompaul | symlinks? |
| 22:53.22 | shodan45 | should I just symlink it somewhere? |
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| 22:53.27 | ompaul | but then are the options identical |
| 22:53.27 | ompaul | are the calling incantations the same |
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| 22:53.41 | shodan45 | ompaul: I don't know how this "app" is detecting mkisofs :/ |
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| 22:53.43 | mmnicolas | I'm playing around with sox's play command making whitenoise to help me sleep, I made a script to rotate between a couple of settings however, whenever I kill the process I get a pop in the speakers, but when I run it in the foreground and hit ctrl-c, I don't, so what is Ctrl-c equivalent in terms of kill signal ? I tried STOP, QUIT, which seemed to be the closest ones |
| 22:53.49 | ompaul | shodan45: if the app is detecting it is what are you running if it isn't there |
| 22:53.49 | shodan45 | I was hoping there was some repo/package that could emulate it further than just a symlink to the binary |
| 22:53.50 | ompaul | shodan45: what is the app |
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| 22:53.50 | shodan45 | ompaul: building openwrt |
| 22:53.56 | shodan45 | k, seems to have gotten past where it crapped out |
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| 22:54.08 | jonathanpoon | ompaul: in my sitaution, the remote server that I'm trying to run the program off of through X11 forwarding is running X11 |
| 22:54.11 | jonathanpoon | but the interesting part is that the program runs fine on my windows laptop using Putty/Xming |
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| 22:54.12 | ompaul | jonathanpoon: and does the box you forward the app to run X |
| 22:54.32 | jonathanpoon | so is there something I need to configure on my debian desktop machine to avoid segfaults |
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| 22:54.41 | jonathanpoon | yes...the debian box I'm trying to run the program on runs X11 as well |
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| 22:55.06 | ompaul | jonathanpoon: just for starters are they both running the same version (shouldn't count but lets ask anyway) |
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| 22:55.48 | jonathanpoon | no |
| 22:55.49 | jonathanpoon | the remote server is running CentOS 6 |
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| 22:57.27 | ompaul | and running X |
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| 22:57.35 | JoeHazzers | how should i go about getting my multimedia keys working? |
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| 22:57.39 | ompaul | so you are on box debian ... and you have ssh -X foo@centos /path/to/nasty/prog |
| 22:57.46 | jhutchins_wk | JoeHazzers: Clean the crud out from under them? |
| 22:57.47 | ompaul | where prog is a script |
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| 22:59.11 | ompaul | jonathanpoon: does it need specific X pieces to work |
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| 23:01.15 | dvs | <.< |
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| 23:01.16 | jonathanpoon | ompaul: yes, when I am on the debian box, I run that command |
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| 23:01.17 | brontosaurusrex | is there anything like bz2, but mucho faster at compression speeds? |
| 23:01.17 | jonathanpoon | ompaul: the program is called Cura. Its a python code. the interesting part is that when I'm on the CentOS box and run the program from the debian box, it works |
| 23:01.18 | jonathanpoon | but the other way around, it seems to segfault and fail |
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| 23:01.19 | caf | brontosaurusrex: gzip |
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| 23:02.26 | dmonjo | hello |
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| 23:02.50 | dmonjo | i have a directory www-data www-data drwxr-xr-x |
| 23:02.51 | brontosaurusrex | caf, and better compression that gzip |
| 23:03.03 | dmonjo | i added to /etc/group a user1 to the www-data group |
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| 23:03.10 | dmonjo | still i am not able to write to this directory |
| 23:03.15 | ompaul | jonathanpoon: ok stupid question, can you run it on the debian box "natively" |
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| 23:03.24 | ompaul | jonathanpoon: ok stupid question, can you run it on the centos box "natively" |
| 23:03.29 | dmonjo | do i need to change the dreictory to rwxrwx |
| 23:03.30 | ompaul | i.e. sshed into them |
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| 23:04.05 | jonathanpoon | ompaul: yes, runs fine |
| 23:04.10 | jonathanpoon | on the debian box as well |
| 23:04.19 | jonathanpoon | just fails when I try to run it through X11 forwarding |
| 23:04.58 | ompaul | jonathanpoon: on debian what command do you run exactly down to everything other than the box name / ip |
| 23:05.14 | ompaul | jonathanpoon: and what is the exact full error message |
| 23:05.42 | jonathanpoon | sh cura.sh --> to run the script |
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| 23:05.54 | jonathanpoon | but inside the script, its a python command...let me get it |
| 23:06.21 | dmonjo | drwxrwx--x 2 www-data www-data, i have added user1 to group www-data in /etc/group and still i cant write with user1 on this directory |
| 23:06.24 | dmonjo | can someone advise please? |
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| 23:07.02 | ompaul | jonathanpoon: where is that script living? |
| 23:07.05 | dmonjo | www-data:x:33:user1 |
| 23:07.14 | dmonjo | did i miss something? |
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| 23:07.44 | jonathanpoon | so on the centos box, its under /share/apps/cura |
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| 23:07.59 | jonathanpoon | on my debian machine, its located at ~/local/cura |
| 23:08.22 | jonathanpoon | the error is a libwx_gtk2u core -2.8.so.0 error 4 segfault |
| 23:08.23 | ompaul | jonathanpoon: and please chmod it make it executable without having to run sh so you can just do this on debian ssh -X user@centos /share/apps/cura |
| 23:08.31 | jonathanpoon | okay |
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| 23:08.54 | jonathanpoon | I don't have access to my debian box at this moment... |
| 23:09.16 | jonathanpoon | let me say this also.. |
| 23:09.21 | ompaul | jonathanpoon: then this whole process has been hopefully not a waste of time :) test that I think you'll be happier |
| 23:10.00 | jonathanpoon | SCRIPT_DIR=`dirname $0` |
| 23:10.01 | jonathanpoon | cd $SCRIPT_DIR |
| 23:10.01 | jonathanpoon | python -m Cura.cura $@ |
| 23:10.09 | jonathanpoon | thats the command that is run in the cura.sh script |
| 23:10.34 | jonathanpoon | lol...okay |
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| 23:11.32 | ompaul | jonathanpoon: btw having access to all parts of the thing to test and give instant feedback |
| 23:11.50 | jonathanpoon | okay |
| 23:13.02 | jonathanpoon | thanks for the ideas ompaul! |
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| 23:17.35 | martin3z | succesfully mounted tablet Freetab by mtpfs, using udev, and fuse.mount, ls working, but after cp to catalog, it disconnects me, always |
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| 23:18.08 | martin3z | using mtp-tools 1.1.5 from experimental |
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| 23:19.31 | martin3z | anyone get the same situation with disconnecting? |
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| 23:28.21 | Thorjelly | Hello, I'm running a xen guest. Neither linuxmint, once installed, or the debian NET install CD can ping my gateway. I noticed this when linuxmint couldn't ping 10.0.0.1 and I remembered that debian NET install failed to reach it too when I tried that. Non-debian based guests I've used have all been able to ping my gateway. I know it isn't too much to go on, but off the top of anyone's head, does anyone know why debian based systems |
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| 23:33.09 | adh0c | Strange question: |
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| 23:33.48 | adh0c | I'm setting up a VPS, and want to use SSH authentication only for access. |
| 23:34.03 | adh0c | I have a ssh keypair I use for work, but don't want to use the same keys for this server. |
| 23:34.16 | bring_it_on2 | hmm |
| 23:34.17 | adh0c | Would this require running multiple instances of ssh? |
| 23:34.21 | adh0c | er, sshd |
| 23:34.46 | bring_it_on2 | VPS ?? |
| 23:34.54 | bring_it_on2 | what kind of service is that ?? |
| 23:34.59 | adh0c | A virtual private server. |
| 23:35.04 | bring_it_on2 | hoo |
| 23:35.08 | bring_it_on2 | no man |
| 23:35.09 | bring_it_on2 | jajaj |
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| 23:35.29 | bring_it_on2 | your question is solved by another question |
| 23:35.30 | bring_it_on2 | xD |
| 23:35.48 | bring_it_on2 | look |
| 23:35.58 | bring_it_on2 | when you mount a Virtual server |
| 23:36.20 | bring_it_on2 | the virtual server will have virtual network interfaces |
| 23:36.40 | bring_it_on2 | and when you try to access the Virtual server |
| 23:37.01 | bring_it_on2 | fisically you do it trougth the real network interface |
| 23:37.03 | bring_it_on2 | but |
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| 23:37.24 | bring_it_on2 | that doesnt matter for the Virtual Server so you will have to run a sshd on the virtual server also |
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| 23:37.46 | teh_noob | hi |
| 23:37.46 | adh0c | Of course, and I am now. I just meant insofar as key authentication. |
| 23:37.50 | bring_it_on2 | because for the Virtual Server he is getting a conexion from "outside" |
| 23:38.04 | bring_it_on2 | it dosent matter that a virtual server is on the same machine |
| 23:38.15 | adh0c | It's not - it's remote. |
| 23:38.41 | bring_it_on2 | yep |
| 23:38.44 | adh0c | I'm just trying to figure out whether each instance of sshd is by necessity tied to one specific keypair. |
| 23:38.44 | bring_it_on2 | its remote |
| 23:38.57 | adh0c | Or whether its possible to use different keys for different remote hosts. |
| 23:39.06 | adh0c | My google-fu is suggesting that it's not. |
| 23:39.30 | bring_it_on2 | you will have to use different keys for different remote hosts |
| 23:39.51 | teh_noob | i'm trying to disable the plymouth splash screen that pops up in front of cli i've googled and ppl mostly talk about editing grub which isn't the solution.. |
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| 23:40.17 | teh_noob | at least i've edited updated and no effect |
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| 23:40.46 | bring_it_on2 | does anyone here likes to develop |
| 23:40.52 | bring_it_on2 | ?? |
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| 23:41.21 | bring_it_on2 | im looking for someone to have a developing party using git and gnu development tools |
| 23:41.38 | bring_it_on2 | we could use teamviewer |
| 23:41.47 | bring_it_on2 | communicate by IRC |
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| 23:42.00 | bring_it_on2 | and even make foncalls with skype |
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| 23:42.10 | bring_it_on2 | so it would be a great experience |
| 23:44.07 | bring_it_on2 | any one here is a developer ??? |
| 23:44.35 | mtn | bring_it_on2: they all have the weekend off |
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| 23:45.43 | bring_it_on2 | man |
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| 23:47.38 | philluminati | What's the official status of iceweasel in Debian stable please? Is it still supported by Debian, and patched and considered secure for use? |
| 23:48.06 | philluminati | I use it and like it, but many sites complain it's out of date, insecure etc... |
| 23:48.25 | dvs | !tell philluminati about mdo |
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| 23:48.43 | dvs | !tell philluminati about mdn |
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| 23:51.31 | teh_noob | anyway of disabling the splash screen i figured out how to change them with "update-alternatives" but i just want it gone :/ and that i can't see how to |
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| 23:52.54 | Tagor | I have a really strange problem with my debian 2.6.32-5-amd64 server. A few days ago I couldn't reach my server, according to the DC guy the server was still on, but the screen was black. They restarted it and everything was fine. But it's doing this every few days now. There's absolutely nothing in the logs. Does anyone have a clue? |
| 23:53.39 | philluminati | dvs: It suggests that if I want a newer browser I should configure debian-backports in my sources list. Is this the correct interpretation? |
| 23:53.52 | dvs | philluminati: yes |
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| 23:55.24 | philluminati | dvs: thanks |
| 23:55.46 | dvs | np |
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