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| 00:07.29 | bring_it_on2 | can some one explain me how should a edit makefile.am |
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| 00:07.42 | bring_it_on2 | when using gnu development tools |
| 00:08.03 | bring_it_on2 | ?? |
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| 00:08.08 | bring_it_on2 | im having some doubts |
| 00:08.50 | bring_it_on2 | hello |
| 00:08.52 | bring_it_on2 | everyone |
| 00:09.13 | bring_it_on2 | can all see what i am typing ?? |
| 00:09.30 | txomon | bring_it_on2, |
| 00:09.32 | txomon | dont do it |
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| 00:09.38 | txomon | learn to use them |
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| 00:10.06 | txomon | bring_it_on2, http://www.lrde.epita.fr/~adl/autotools.html |
| 00:10.16 | txomon | that is the very *best* tutorial I have found |
| 00:10.23 | txomon | with that, you will know how to use them |
| 00:10.35 | bring_it_on2 | thx so much |
| 00:10.43 | bring_it_on2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:10.53 | txomon | you should have gone #autotools |
| 00:10.56 | txomon | not #debian |
| 00:11.06 | bring_it_on2 | xD |
| 00:11.07 | bring_it_on2 | sorry |
| 00:11.13 | txomon | np, bb! |
| 00:11.21 | txomon | good night everyone |
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| 00:12.27 | bring_it_on2 | actually i have read a tutorial but i still dont know how to link libraries |
| 00:12.32 | bring_it_on2 | i know i have to use |
| 00:12.40 | bring_it_on2 | some sortof flag |
| 00:12.55 | bring_it_on2 | like -L/usr/include/gtk2.0 |
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| 00:13.00 | bring_it_on2 | something like that |
| 00:13.06 | bring_it_on2 | i will read the info |
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| 00:13.25 | bring_it_on2 | and after that i will ask again if any doubt |
| 00:13.32 | bring_it_on2 | thx a lot |
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| 00:22.18 | JmZ | squeeze -> wheezy: Starting ACPI services...Cannot open netlink socket: Invalid argument |
| 00:22.20 | JmZ | any ideas/ |
| 00:23.13 | JmZ | http://pastebin.com/TpEjjGJv |
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| 00:54.35 | Ghormoon | hi, I'm trying to configure exim4 as relay (I need to send mail and only way is college SMTP, otherwise ports 25 and 465 ale blocked) but even when i config it to relay for * to IP of the server, in log I see it still tries to connect to gmail (when sending test mail to my gmail account) ... I must be doing some elementary mistake ... any ideas? (I\m configuring it through dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config) |
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| 01:00.23 | acu_ | gnome apps look ugly in gnome in wheezy - what do I need install |
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| 01:10.02 | acu_ | wondering about the ugliness of gnome applications in kde in wheezy - I know there is something to be installed but I do not know |
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| 01:17.15 | acu_ | the root bash slides close - weird |
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| 01:39.35 | bring_it_on2 | acu |
| 01:39.36 | bring_it_on2 | im here |
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| 01:40.48 | somiaj | acu: sounds like you need to set a gtk theme |
| 01:41.21 | somiaj | acu: you can use something like gtk-theme-switch or gtk-chtheme to change themes, you may have to install one you like to try to match your QT theme |
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| 01:43.19 | acu_ | somiaj and bring_it_on2 yes , I am experimenting now with kde - did not use it since long - coming back to it, I start like in it - I like desktop cube transition - since compiz is not available, that is good enough - now I want to have different picture for each desktop |
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| 01:52.37 | rgwu | clear |
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| 01:59.58 | lordinvader | Hi, is this the official debian channel? The debian wiki says it's irc.debian.org / irc6.geo.oftc.net but those links keep redirecting me to spoon.pkl.net |
| 02:00.12 | abrotman | does it really matter? |
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| 02:01.19 | lordinvader | abrotman: I was looking for someone and it says on his page to find him on IRC at irc.debian.org - I'm not sure if this is it |
| 02:01.19 | acu_ | lordinvader, we are a bit more mean, but your are welcome, ask |
| 02:01.23 | mmnicolas | lordinvader: that's OFTC and this is Freenode |
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| 02:03.18 | lordinvader | Thanks, I'm actually interested in taking up the Debian OEM install as a project for GSOC '13 ( http://wiki.debian.org/SummerOfCode2013/Projects ) |
| 02:03.28 | lordinvader | The part about skills required is a bit vague there |
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| 02:04.19 | lordinvader | I am comfortable with C, Python and Bash and have been using Ubuntu for about two years, do these suffice? |
| 02:05.15 | rgwu | can you hand write programs using a hex editor in MSIL? |
| 02:06.06 | mmnicolas | lordinvader: give it a try, see where it gets you |
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| 02:06.26 | rgap | hi |
| 02:06.38 | rgap | what about gsoc? :) |
| 02:07.30 | lordinvader | mmnicolas: oh okay, I wasn't sure where to start |
| 02:08.15 | lordinvader | rgap: sorry, didn't get you. What about it? |
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| 02:13.25 | mmnicolas | lordinvader: get familiar with syslinux, d-i, preseeding etc, this can all be done without actual "programming", except if you want a graphical front-end to build this image, just script it all together |
| 02:15.48 | abrotman | lordinvader: you're looking for paultag? |
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| 02:19.05 | lordinvader | abrotman: i was looking for OdyX/DidierRaboud |
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| 02:19.55 | lordinvader | mmnicolas: I got hold of something called 'debconf6 - debian installer internals' - will try to figure it out. Thanks :) |
| 02:20.05 | badloop | so i'm trying to install avahi-daemon and it needs libdaemon0 .. which appears that it should be available, but apparently is not. is there a repo that i need to add? |
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| 02:23.21 | Ghormoon | Hi, any idea how to turn off TLS on exim4? even commenting out tls_advertise_hosts or making .ifdef MAIN_TLS_ENABLE into another variable name dosen't help ... it subbornely keeps using TLS and I can't look in wireshark why I'm refused from college SMTP (mainlog doesn't seem helping, I don't get why is that refused ...) |
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| 02:25.52 | abrotman | Ghormoon: i'd probably ask #exim myself |
| 02:26.27 | Ghormoon | well, I'll try :) |
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| 02:27.02 | Ghormoon | I've killed all evening trying to set up mail relay, it works for mails from commandline, but not for mail from php and I need to find out why ... |
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| 02:35.25 | badloop | anybody have any ideas? my google fu is lacking apparently |
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| 02:36.31 | abrotman | badloop: run aptitude update lately? |
| 02:36.40 | badloop | yep |
| 02:36.52 | abrotman | badloop: use a pastebin to show us |
| 02:36.59 | abrotman | show your sources.list and the error form the install |
| 02:37.08 | badloop | one moment |
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| 02:38.14 | badloop | http://pastebin.com/dsLvrm5x |
| 02:39.11 | abrotman | badloop: at the bottom of the file add: "deb http://http.debian.net/debian/ squeeze main" |
| 02:39.12 | badloop | when i used ubuntu there were universe and multiverse repos... |
| 02:39.40 | abrotman | badloop: then run "aptitude update;aptitude upgrade" |
| 02:39.55 | abrotman | and then "aptitude install avahi-daemon" |
| 02:40.20 | badloop | odd... wonder why i wouldn't have the main repo in there. |
| 02:40.34 | badloop | that should make things a bit easier |
| 02:40.44 | abrotman | your network wasn't functional at install time |
| 02:40.59 | badloop | ah |
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| 02:47.17 | abrotman | badloop: better? |
| 02:49.29 | badloop | abrotman: yes... apologies for not saying so earlier. i've been feverishly typing |
| 02:49.30 | badloop | :-) |
| 02:50.16 | abrotman | badloop: just wanted to make sure i hadn't blown up all computer in a six block radius |
| 02:50.36 | badloop | abrotman: that comes later... *maniacal laugh* |
| 02:51.07 | badloop | sudo apt-get install cups-driver-neighborhood-explosives |
| 02:51.10 | abrotman | is pretty sure Carnivore just lit up ... |
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| 03:16.28 | k-man | is there some way to check to see if a file on the fs is the same as what is in the package of that file? |
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| 03:20.00 | Tramp | k-man: there is /var/lib/dpkg/info/<package>.md5sums - looks like those are the checksums for the files. Not sure though. |
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| 03:20.40 | k-man | thanks Tramp |
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| 03:20.53 | Tramp | yw |
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| 03:48.58 | joe9 | Is there an irc for dash? |
| 03:51.49 | tjiggi_fo | #dash, but only a single soul which may turn out to be a soulless bot |
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| 03:52.19 | tjiggi_fo | pfft |
| 03:52.33 | Cyclohexane | How do you remove bind? Virtual packages like 'bind' can't be removed |
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| 04:03.54 | somiaj | Cyclohexane: remove the actual package, do you have bind9 installed? |
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| 04:07.29 | dioz | hehe ;] |
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| 04:28.58 | austinium | hi, i am trying to connect a Panasonic LCD TV via HDMI to Debian machine, the display shows up on the GRUB boot screen and then dissappears, the TV is not showing up under Applications>System Tools>Preferences>System Setings>Displays |
| 04:29.23 | austinium | what is strange is that it shows the GRUB screen |
| 04:29.29 | austinium | any ideas on how i could fix this? |
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| 04:37.20 | k-man | for an automated debian install i mean |
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| 06:00.11 | jpinx | I need to install lenny on a vm for some old applications. Where do I get CD1 for 5.0.10 which I think was the last lenny version |
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| 06:06.31 | jpinx | ok - found it :) |
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| 06:35.30 | dizzylizzy | I want to have /home/user/.bin added to my $PATH, but not in .bashrc and only for my user account. What file would I do that in? Would I put that in one of those .xsomething files? |
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| 06:38.28 | dizzylizzy | I guess I could put it in /etc/gdm3/PreSession, but that's for all users of gdm3 isn't it |
| 06:38.45 | dizzylizzy | :q |
| 06:38.47 | dizzylizzy | whoops |
| 06:38.48 | peterrooney | dizzylizzy: /join #bash - they know all |
| 06:38.57 | dizzylizzy | Oh, interesting, ok |
| 06:39.05 | peterrooney | also, why not the more conventional ~/bin ? |
| 06:39.29 | dizzylizzy | I like to keep my $HOME tidy >_> |
| 06:39.43 | dizzylizzy | I know this sounds stupid but this folder is only for symbolic links |
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| 06:42.14 | peterrooney | dizzylizzy: it sure does... grep -C2 --color bin /etc/skel/.profile for why |
| 06:43.01 | dizzylizzy | Is profile bash-specific or session-wide |
| 06:43.14 | dizzylizzy | I'll just test it and find out |
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| 06:46.42 | peterrooney | "man bash" is too easy. bash is somewhat less empirical than perl. |
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| 06:51.55 | cyrilb | hi |
| 06:52.30 | dizzylizzy | hi cyrilb |
| 06:52.53 | cyrilb | I sent a mail to submit@bugs.debian.org 15 hours ago but it does not seem to have been taken in account |
| 06:53.18 | cyrilb | is there something special going on with b.d.o? |
| 06:54.10 | cyrilb | hey btw, I wanted to join #debian-devel but I was redirected here, this channel is closed? |
| 06:55.07 | dizzylizzy | cyrilb, you may want to connect to the OFTC IRC network, where the majority of debian channels are |
| 06:55.12 | dizzylizzy | irc.oftc.net |
| 06:55.17 | dizzylizzy | #debian-devel exists there |
| 06:55.18 | cyrilb | ok got it |
| 06:55.43 | cyrilb | I'm just 10 years late ;-) |
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| 07:09.29 | cyrilb | have a nice day |
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| 08:08.58 | Carlmann | the debian stable installers are broken. is this a known issue? |
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| 08:09.24 | Carlmann | no online updates/package list downloads work prolly broken package lists |
| 08:09.51 | dizzylizzy | Carlmann, what exactly is the problem? |
| 08:09.57 | Carlmann | tried both network installer + dvd installer. both have the same problem |
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| 08:10.08 | Carlmann | apt-get update doesnt work |
| 08:10.20 | dizzylizzy | What exactly is the error, "doesn't work" doesn't say much |
| 08:10.34 | Carlmann | says wget error: probably broken release |
| 08:11.01 | dizzylizzy | This is during the installation process from the installation medium? |
| 08:11.05 | Carlmann | i can give you more details if you need to I'm a linux oldie :) just ask |
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| 08:11.20 | jelly-home | bat |
| 08:11.22 | jelly-home | !bat |
| 08:11.23 | dpkg | In order for us to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, aptitude or dselect we need the following information: The complete output of your apt-get/aptitude/dselect run (including the command you used); the output from apt-cache policy PKG1 PKG2...; for the relevant packages and "apt-cache policy". Use http://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>. |
| 08:11.37 | Carlmann | both installers abort with no mirrors working and if i manual it it doesnt work either |
| 08:11.42 | Carlmann | package lists etc. are fine |
| 08:11.45 | jelly-home | Carlmann: please provide the information above |
| 08:12.01 | Carlmann | it just cant download the package lists ... except translations :) |
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| 08:12.03 | jelly-home | there should be a shell at Alt-F3 or F4 or so |
| 08:12.22 | jelly-home | 6.0.7? |
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| 08:12.32 | Carlmann | yes |
| 08:12.39 | Carlmann | 6.0.7 |
| 08:12.49 | jelly-home | which mirror did it get configured to? |
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| 08:13.19 | Carlmann | tried several standard mirrors in ftp.debian.de and ftp.debian.org both fail |
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| 08:13.37 | Carlmann | this is since about 14-18 hours |
| 08:13.47 | jelly-home | ftp.de.debian.org? |
| 08:14.03 | Carlmann | yes |
| 08:14.12 | Carlmann | ftp.debian.de is ok also but doesnt work either |
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| 08:18.08 | jelly-home | Carlmann: huh. Anything else? What does ftp.debian.de resolve to? |
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| 08:18.20 | Carlmann | i can't paste from the linux box but i can give your the apt-get error output |
| 08:18.50 | Carlmann | i can see the packages manually, just apt cant download them see them whatever |
| 08:19.05 | Carlmann | command: apt-get update |
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| 08:20.19 | jelly-home | Carlmann: is there a wget or something similar in the installer? Does wget http://ftp.debian.de/debian/dists/squeeze/main/binary-i386/Release work? |
| 08:20.22 | Carlmann | error ..... http://ftp.debian.de/debian/dists/squeeze/main/binary-i386/Packages.gz 404 Not found |
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| 08:20.40 | Carlmann | wget bug was: probably broken release |
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| 08:21.38 | jelly-home | Please answer these two: a) What does ftp.debian.de resolve to? b) Does wget http://ftp.debian.de/debian/dists/squeeze/main/binary-i386/Release work? |
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| 08:22.30 | Carlmann | a) ftp.debian.de resolves to ftp.de.debian.org |
| 08:23.40 | Carlmann | b) no: 404 not found |
| 08:23.48 | jelly-home | Carlmann: and that in addition resolves to which ip address? |
| 08:23.50 | Carlmann | but i can see it with firefox etc. |
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| 08:24.16 | Carlmann | 141.76.2.4 |
| 08:24.30 | Carlmann | :80 |
| 08:24.54 | jelly-home | that's correct. You may have a not-so-transparent firewall or proxy in place |
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| 08:29.54 | lapache | Hello, in my interfaces file i define differents vlan interface manually and standard eth0 which uses dhcp, but sometimes it receive vlan 7's dhcp offer. Someone know how fix this ? |
| 08:31.19 | jelly-home | lapache: the simplest thing to do is not use tagged and untagged traffic on the same iface, if you need VLANs, use tagged only and leave the physical iface unconfigured |
| 08:31.20 | Carlmann | I'm sorry |
| 08:31.39 | Carlmann | jelly-home: it was my firewall thx for your help |
| 08:31.46 | jelly-home | Carlmann: np, cheers |
| 08:32.30 | lapache | jelly, but how can i handle the default vlan then ? |
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| 08:32.55 | Carlmann | if i want to upgrade from stable to testing what do i need to type: apt-get dist-upgrade testing? |
| 08:33.11 | Carlmann | or do i need to change sources.lists to testing instead of stable? |
| 08:33.41 | lapache | jelly-home, * |
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| 08:34.20 | jelly-home | lapache: make that vlan tagged as well. |
| 08:34.36 | jelly-home | ie. reconfigure the port |
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| 08:36.19 | lapache | jelly-home, yeah ok thank you ! But i not understand why this not work well ... |
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| 08:37.26 | jelly-home | it could be the driver or the switch; experience says mixing tagged and untagged is not too reliable |
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| 08:44.59 | ggherdov | Hi all. I have little troubles in accessing a folder. It has rwx permission for all user in group FOO, I add FOO to the groups of my user, but I still I cannot access. Here the complete bash session: http://bpaste.net/show/nF5JcHwa0MoGDME9BJ12/ What Am I missing? |
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| 08:48.27 | somiaj | ggherdov: did you log out and back in |
| 08:48.34 | somiaj | ggherdov: type 'groups' to see the current groups you are in |
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| 08:49.55 | ggherdov | somiaj: didn't log out & in. But "groups ggherdov" shows the right membership. I did open a new terminal session, though. And no success |
| 08:50.31 | somiaj | ggherdov: groups are set at login, so if you have not preformed a full login since you add yourself to the group you won't be in it |
| 08:50.41 | somiaj | ggherdov: also just type 'groups' as the user |
| 08:51.22 | ggherdov | somiaj: ok trying a full logout & in. Ah yes, I do not need to specifiy the user as arg |
| 08:52.13 | ggherdov | somiaj: :-) you got it. I needed to relogin. Thanks ! |
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| 09:03.30 | takis_GR | hello. I need to remove a package but command apt-get remove gosa-schema will remove almost half debian :( |
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| 09:18.56 | shomon | hi |
| 09:19.14 | shomon | I have root at 100% full, and home is almost empty.. what might it be that filled it up? |
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| 09:19.21 | shomon | I can hardly type a command and it gets stuck |
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| 09:20.54 | bw_ | shomon: du --max-depth=1 -m / | sort -n and dive down from there |
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| 09:22.59 | babilen | shomon: Run a "apt-get autoclean" command to give you some wiggle room. That will delete no longer needed packages (i.e. outdated, unavailable) packages from the package cache. You can also run "apt-get clean" to clean the entire cache. |
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| 09:25.58 | shomon | thanks! |
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| 09:37.55 | lapache | Re, a squeeze host is connected over trunk port on 5 differents vlans but on each vlan, this host respond to ARP who-has requests of all address. What is this ? |
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| 09:43.21 | admin0 | hi . when i make a backport, where do I edit the distro name, so that it is for the distro i made the backport for and deb installs it fine from the repo |
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| 09:47.28 | shomon | is there a graphical space viewer? |
| 09:47.44 | shomon | disc space |
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| 09:48.03 | invariant | How can I configure apt-get to always install the documentation for a given package? Alternatively, how can I list all installed packages which have a doc package efficiently? |
| 09:48.12 | Brigo | shomon: baobab for gnome. |
| 09:48.35 | shomon | thanks |
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| 09:55.04 | gnude | i want to use debian wheezy with a ati grapic card. but the new gnome3 i dont see. only the gnome classic mode |
| 09:55.30 | mikunos | hi guys how have I to check if the 443 port is opened in outgoing communications? |
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| 09:56.41 | gnude | mikunos: grc.com |
| 09:56.46 | gnude | there shieldsup |
| 09:56.53 | gnude | you can start a portscan tehre |
| 09:57.03 | mikunos | I need the opposite |
| 09:57.08 | mikunos | gnude |
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| 10:30.55 | Asmageddon | Hello |
| 10:31.02 | Asmageddon | Pardon the potentially stupid question |
| 10:31.16 | Asmageddon | But where the hell are testing ISOs on the Debian website? O_o |
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| 10:33.17 | cromag | Asmageddon: "cd iso images" would be a good start |
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| 10:33.43 | Asmageddon | cromag: Looked there |
| 10:33.47 | Asmageddon | Can't find it ._. |
| 10:33.55 | Asmageddon | OHHH |
| 10:34.01 | Asmageddon | They're simply not on torrents |
| 10:34.02 | Asmageddon | Rrrrright |
| 10:34.09 | gnude | mom |
| 10:34.10 | cromag | not ? |
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| 10:34.18 | gnude | i send yu link |
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| 10:34.33 | gnude | http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/ |
| 10:34.41 | Asmageddon | http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/i386/iso-dvd/ |
| 10:34.41 | cromag | http://www.debian.org/CD/torrent-cd/ |
| 10:34.48 | Asmageddon | Why are there 3 of them? |
| 10:34.55 | Asmageddon | Which should I get? Don't say all of them? O_o |
| 10:35.17 | cromag | do you have limited bandwidth ? |
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| 10:35.32 | Asmageddon | Well, speed yes, amount not |
| 10:35.35 | Asmageddon | 2Mbps |
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| 10:35.46 | cromag | for me, the netinstall is a good disc |
| 10:35.57 | cromag | but, if you have special needs for drivers, that would not cut it |
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| 10:36.14 | cromag | netinstall is small and will get rest of the stuff from the repositories |
| 10:36.22 | Asmageddon | Slow internet here, so I prefer to have as much working instantly as possible |
| 10:36.30 | Asmageddon | My network is faulty sometimes too, so I prefer torrents generally |
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| 10:38.48 | Asmageddon | cromag: So which one of them? |
| 10:38.50 | Asmageddon | or all of them? |
| 10:39.25 | cromag | hmm hang on |
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| 10:39.51 | cromag | get the 1st dvd |
| 10:40.01 | Asmageddon | What are the others for? |
| 10:40.32 | cromag | it's actually the full repository i think |
| 10:40.57 | athit | If you not install desktop, you can netinstall. |
| 10:41.25 | cromag | i believe they contain less drivers |
| 10:41.33 | cromag | the netinstall things |
| 10:41.40 | cromag | i can be wrong tho |
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| 10:42.57 | athit | you can see error log, and download driver, |
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| 11:16.14 | ogzy | anybody who knows settings of php-fpm at squeeze? |
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| 11:26.35 | twinkie_addict | hi |
| 11:26.58 | olivm | hullo |
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| 11:28.50 | Pinchiukas | So I can basically install wheezy in its current state now and I'll have Debian 7 in some days? |
| 11:29.10 | twinkie_addict | truble sleeping tonight been up installing debian 6 and configuring it to my likeing its very nice reminds me of lenny |
| 11:30.06 | Towzzer | pinchi- yes |
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| 11:30.24 | babilen | dpkg: tell Pinchiukas -about install wheezy |
| 11:30.25 | Pinchiukas | Towzzer: which version of debootstrap should I use? |
| 11:30.34 | Towzzer | twinkie_addict, are you in withdrawl because hostess shut down? |
| 11:30.38 | Towzzer | pin - I don't know |
| 11:30.43 | Towzzer | I download an iso and use that :D |
| 11:30.54 | Towzzer | <PROTECTED> |
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| 11:31.19 | babilen | Pinchiukas: Simply install wheezy with whatever version you have available - The procedure is discussed in the release notes (/msg dpkg wheezy release notes) |
| 11:31.26 | twinkie_addict | nope there is little debbie cloud cakes :) |
| 11:31.27 | Pinchiukas | I kind of want to go the debootstrap way. Is there any reason I shouldn't? |
| 11:31.44 | Towzzer | I don't know what the advantages or disadvantages are |
| 11:32.33 | babilen | Towzzer: Well, you obviously won't use the installer and therefore don't get any of its configuration. You also have to do much more manually, but that is not necessarily a bad thing. |
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| 11:35.18 | babilen | would simply use the RC1 netinstall with firmware (/msg dpkg firmware images wheezy), but then I only ever install Debian on new systems :) |
| 11:36.10 | babilen | twinkie_addict: Why squeeze and not wheezy? |
| 11:36.25 | Towzzer | I guess debbootstrap is good when you want to install on a drive that is in a computer and you want to move it? |
| 11:36.52 | Pinchiukas | That is kind of my situation. :) |
| 11:37.08 | Towzzer | then move the drive to the computer first then install it! |
| 11:37.09 | Towzzer | bam |
| 11:37.10 | Towzzer | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:37.16 | babilen | yeah, for example. It is also commonly used to install chroots (e.g. for package compilation) and other things. it is a valuable tool |
| 11:37.20 | Pinchiukas | Not really an option. |
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| 11:37.47 | babilen | Pinchiukas: If debootstrap is the only option it is the only option and we can stop discussing :) |
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| 11:38.07 | babilen | (but then it might not be, but lacking information we have to take your word on it) |
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| 11:39.00 | zooz | hi guys |
| 11:39.16 | zooz | I am having trouble getting pbuilder to add extra apt sources |
| 11:40.11 | zooz | I have followed http://wiki.debian.org/PbuilderTricks#How_to_include_local_packages_in_the_build without any success |
| 11:40.13 | babilen | zooz: How so? But then I would recommend to discuss this in #debian-mentors on irc.oftc.net |
| 11:40.28 | zooz | thanks, will ask there |
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| 11:40.52 | twinkie_addict | stable version apeals moreso im waiting for weezy to go stable |
| 11:41.28 | babilen | twinkie_addict: ack, enjoy! (wheezy is quite usable right now though and you'll have to upgrade soonish) |
| 11:41.34 | zooz | babilen, this channel does not seem to be available anymore |
| 11:41.46 | twinkie_addict | this is the net installfrom the debian website |
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| 11:42.30 | babilen | zooz: Oh, it sure is. It is on irc.debian.org (aka irc.oftc.net) with the rest of the official Debian channels and not here on Freenode though. |
| 11:42.55 | zooz | ah I see, thanks |
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| 11:44.04 | babilen | twinkie_addict: yeah, sure. squeeze is fine, but then you will have to upgrade quite soon and you probably also need to use quite a number of backported packages (e.g. for recent webbrowsers, kernel, ...) - I was simply curious, never meant to imply that you made a mistake. I wouldn't install squeeze on a machine for personal use these days, but then ... everybody is free to decide for him/herself :) |
| 11:45.08 | olivm | What Would you use? |
| 11:45.19 | Pinchiukas | Which version of debootstrap should I use? http://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/main/d/debootstrap/ |
| 11:45.33 | Pinchiukas | .46, I guess? |
| 11:45.40 | ksk | ,versions debootstrap |
| 11:45.41 | judd | Package: debootstrap on i386 -- lenny: 1.0.10lenny1; lenny-backports: 1.0.25~bpo50+1; squeeze: 1.0.26+squeeze1; squeeze-backports: 1.0.42~bpo60+1; wheezy: 1.0.44; sid: 1.0.46 |
| 11:45.49 | babilen | olivm: Well, I am personally running sid, but I wouldn't recommend it to everyone. I would simply install wheezy these days (see "/msg dpkg install wheezy" for details) |
| 11:46.04 | babilen | Pinchiukas: Use whatever version comes with your Debian installation. |
| 11:46.09 | ksk | Pinchiukas: why dont u install it via apt? |
| 11:46.14 | Pinchiukas | I'm not installing from Debian. |
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| 11:46.24 | babilen | Pinchiukas: Well, then use whatever version is packaged. |
| 11:46.36 | Pinchiukas | No version is packaged, ffs. |
| 11:46.43 | twinkie_addict | its all good lol no harm no foul when weezy gos stable |
| 11:46.44 | Pinchiukas | I'm downloading and extracting it. |
| 11:46.48 | babilen | Pinchiukas: Then use the latest version that runs on your platform |
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| 11:47.43 | twinkie_addict | ill updaten :} |
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| 11:48.18 | Towzzer | be careful, everytime I've typed distribution upgrade |
| 11:48.22 | D4T | anyone have any recommended ways of measuring I/O latency? |
| 11:48.23 | Towzzer | the system did not reboot |
| 11:49.00 | babilen | Towzzer: You are clearly not doing it correctly then :) |
| 11:49.03 | olivm | babilen: oh I expected you to suggest something built off debian…which is probably what you expect others to run or want to run |
| 11:49.14 | Towzzer | I know, I'm just saying :D |
| 11:49.22 | Towzzer | last time was because of grub 2 |
| 11:49.27 | mallxs | Hi i instructions tel me to do a aptitude and do a key g to check if any packages need attention .. how do i do that from the cli ? |
| 11:49.58 | babilen | olivm: I don't quite follow. Why wouldn't I recommend Debian? |
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| 11:50.31 | babilen | mallxs: Which instructions are those and what does "do a key g" mean? |
| 11:50.38 | babilen | mallxs: What are you trying to do? |
| 11:50.47 | mallxs | http://www.howtoforge.com/upgrade-debian-lenny-to-squeeze-in-a-few-simple-steps |
| 11:50.53 | babilen | AAARGH! |
| 11:50.59 | babilen | mallxs: No, please don't follow that. |
| 11:52.28 | babilen | mallxs: You can find official (and working!) instructions in the release notes of the release you are upgrading to. In this case in the squeeze release notes (/msg dpkg release notes). They are quite complete and it is /very/ important to follow them for the lenny to squeeze upgrade. The instructions you linked miss some important steps that are specific to the lenny to squeeze upgrade. |
| 11:52.35 | olivm | babilen: since this is a deb forum…good point. I guess I'm unclear on why someone would be running anything but the latest release or unstable on a personal machine |
| 11:52.38 | babilen | dpkg: tell mallxs about lenny->sqeeze |
| 11:52.56 | ksuhku | !tell mallxs about lenny->squeeze |
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| 11:53.10 | babilen | ta :) |
| 11:53.21 | mallxs | babilen: thx will read first |
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| 11:54.33 | babilen | mallxs: The main problem with those instructions are that they forget to upgrade the kernel and udev /before/ the rest of the system. That is a crucial step and is discussed in the release notes at http://www.debian.org/releases/squeeze/amd64/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html → http://www.debian.org/releases/squeeze/amd64/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html#upgrading-udev |
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| 11:55.28 | babilen | mallxs: In general try to never follow "easy" instructions somewhere in a forum or the internet. Every release comes with in-depth instructions on how to upgrade to the next release and it is quite important to read them. |
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| 11:56.18 | twinkie_addict | i dont upgrade i do cleen install of new version if i decide to upgrade at all |
| 11:56.36 | xintron | Is there some way of disabling debian to set default route for a static interface? |
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| 11:57.24 | mallxs | correct; i was already wondering had lots of packages kept back, but nothing in the instructions how to resolv this |
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| 11:58.21 | babilen | twinkie_addict: That is unnecessary as Debian supports upgrades between stable releases pretty well. There are a bunch of people using systems that have been installed years ago and continually upgraded |
| 11:58.49 | twinkie_addict | ok |
| 11:59.30 | babilen | but then ... it also doesn't hurt :) |
| 11:59.55 | twinkie_addict | dist-upgrade right when new stable comes down the pipes |
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| 12:04.14 | teus | hello, I need some help with mounting an NTFS partition. whenever I mount it through commandline or fstab, my mount options get overrid by default options |
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| 12:05.14 | sirspazzolot | hey whoa what does setup.exe do? is that basically ubuntu's wubi? |
| 12:05.52 | Touhou11 | sirspazzolot: Yes, it launches a splash screen if you run the CD on Windows |
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| 12:06.59 | sirspazzolot | ah, gotcha. thanks |
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| 12:07.59 | twinkie_addict | im out guys gona try for some sleep for doc apt latter today |
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| 12:40.04 | buscon | which ide is better supported by debian, eclipse or netbeans? |
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| 12:42.41 | karimb | vim? |
| 12:44.00 | Nik05 | oh Netbeans and Eclipse are both writting in Java :P |
| 12:44.11 | Nik05 | Not going to use that with all the 0days :P |
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| 12:44.20 | zmode | buscon: they both work. it boils down to which one you feel better working with |
| 12:44.44 | zmode | Nik05: well they're IDEs, not web applications |
| 12:44.52 | Nik05 | i know |
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| 12:45.10 | Nik05 | but no java on my pc : |
| 12:45.11 | ksk | vim is best ;) |
| 12:45.12 | Nik05 | :) |
| 12:45.16 | buscon | zmode, ok, i'm not using them usually, just want to parse my php code |
| 12:45.20 | buscon | ksk, agree ;) |
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| 12:46.09 | zmode | buscon: i suggest you try them both and see which one you feel more comfortable with |
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| 12:47.30 | karimb | buscon, eclipse has far more modules,so.... |
| 12:48.01 | buscon | karimb, good point, thx |
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| 12:59.18 | delight | I wrote a little tomcat init script but I got some problems with it cause the env export CATALINA_OPTS="-XX:MaxPermSize=1024m" is not exported when called as root |
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| 13:01.23 | delight | http://paste.debian.net/240959/ |
| 13:01.30 | delight | could use some hint / help with it |
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| 13:04.59 | subthalamus | i guess they abandoned a web gui |
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| 13:05.49 | delight | ^^^ btw its a debian squeeze 6.0.7 system but i don't think that it really matters … I guess its rather some bash problem |
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| 13:13.14 | fishsponge | Question: "ftpd" vs "wu-ftpd" - which is best and simplest? |
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| 13:14.17 | fishsponge | and which is most commonly used around the world? |
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| 13:36.45 | Towzzer | I think |
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| 13:50.48 | mallxs | Re Update to squeeze after update-initramfs: Generating /boot/initrd.img-2.6.32-5-686 it stopped with the msg that there was error in smartmontools |
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| 13:51.12 | mallxs | is that at the end of the update or is there more to come ? |
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| 13:55.22 | ksk | mallxs: do the update? again |
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| 13:56.20 | ksk | maybe pastebin your command and all the ouput |
| 13:56.25 | babilen | !paste |
| 13:56.25 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>. |
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| 13:58.08 | you-tee-f | why is debian so heavy, i mean the iso file ? 4Go and some |
| 13:58.19 | ZitZ | that is the full image |
| 13:58.31 | ZitZ | it's actually multiple disks with every package in the distribution |
| 13:59.03 | rww | as the installation guide says, you probably want a netinst CD or CD 1 |
| 13:59.06 | ZitZ | just the first disk is sufficient, but you can also choose a netinstall if you wish to build your system from just the"barbones" |
| 13:59.20 | you-tee-f | i see, i have a question what is the most light distribution based on debian ? |
| 13:59.24 | you-tee-f | ubuntu is too heavy too |
| 13:59.27 | you-tee-f | i need a light one |
| 13:59.39 | rww | what does "light" mean, specifically? |
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| 13:59.44 | ZitZ | debian is the most light distribution based on debian, lol |
| 13:59.47 | you-tee-f | lightweight |
| 13:59.53 | bw_ | you-tee-f: there is a netinstaller with like 130mb |
| 14:00.02 | you-tee-f | ZitZ that is why i was surprised about this size |
| 14:00.15 | you-tee-f | any torrent link for reaching the netinstaller ? |
| 14:00.17 | rww | there's a businesscard installer with even less, if we're for some reason caring about ISO size |
| 14:00.19 | ZitZ | i think DSL (Damn Small Linux) is based on debian, that is like 150MB or something ridiculous |
| 14:00.39 | ZitZ | if you want something that is "feature complete" out of the box install |
| 14:00.41 | you-tee-f | my proxy doesn't allow me more than 100Mb |
| 14:00.53 | ZitZ | but the whole point of debian is that you can customize it |
| 14:00.58 | rww | fetching Debian packages is going to be Fun Times, then |
| 14:01.00 | you-tee-f | yes |
| 14:01.04 | jhutchins_wk | you-tee-f: It's 4G because that's how big a DVD image is. |
| 14:01.04 | bw_ | you-tee-f: see http://www.debian.org/distrib/netinst |
| 14:01.09 | you-tee-f | i'm more interested about debian |
| 14:01.12 | rww | although I guess most of them are rather smaller than that |
| 14:01.19 | kaste | we could split the netinstall image and put it someplace for you |
| 14:01.39 | you-tee-f | kaste, i'm interested |
| 14:02.02 | ZitZ | your proxy doesn't allow more than 100MB per day? |
| 14:02.09 | jhutchins_wk | kaste: I don't see how that would help if the problem is a download cap. |
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| 14:02.24 | you-tee-f | no 100Mb http fetch |
| 14:02.33 | you-tee-f | if the file is splitted, no problem |
| 14:02.34 | ZitZ | he'll still have issues every time he wants to do an upgrade |
| 14:02.42 | kaste | 100mb per update? |
| 14:02.45 | jhutchins_wk | you-tee-f: You're probably better off ordering a CD/DVD to be shipped. |
| 14:02.52 | kaste | you-tee-f: what arch? |
| 14:02.54 | you-tee-f | just http |
| 14:02.56 | rww | and when his netinstall CD pulls more than 100MB during installation |
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| 14:03.02 | kaste | why not use ftp then? |
| 14:03.10 | bw_ | or torrent |
| 14:03.16 | you-tee-f | kaste i have some issue to use ftp as well |
| 14:03.18 | jhutchins_wk | kaste: FTP has been disabled on the Debian servers for years. |
| 14:03.24 | you-tee-f | i would prefer |
| 14:03.26 | you-tee-f | a torrent link |
| 14:03.42 | kaste | i didn't say it had to be on the usual servers jhutchins_wk |
| 14:04.05 | jhutchins_wk | you-tee-f: Torrents are not currently well seeded, but I believe they are available for all images. |
| 14:04.21 | you-tee-f | hey |
| 14:04.22 | mallxs | ksk: the only error i had was that "Enabling S.M.A.R.T..../dev/hda...(failed).../dev/hdb...(failed)...done." maybe due to it is a old system the rest of the upgrade worked ok |
| 14:04.30 | you-tee-f | i found a netinstall |
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| 14:04.36 | you-tee-f | 191Mb |
| 14:04.40 | you-tee-f | that will actually do it |
| 14:04.45 | jhutchins_wk | you-tee-f: http://www.debian.org/CD/torrent-cd/ |
| 14:04.54 | ZitZ | i was going to suggest ordering disks through mail, doesn't distrowatch offer that? |
| 14:05.01 | you-tee-f | Debian 6.0.6 , is it fine ? |
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| 14:05.34 | ZitZ | you-tee-f: I would definitely recommend 6.0 stable, since you won't be able to upgrade often on your connection |
| 14:06.37 | you-tee-f | ok |
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| 14:08.59 | you-tee-f | but if I download the netinst, would I be constrained to install a lot of extra packages ? let say at least if I need the minimum required system to program in C |
| 14:09.02 | you-tee-f | ? |
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| 14:10.30 | ZitZ | yes, but i believe the netinst has gcc, and vi, so if you are hardcore enough you'd have enough to program in C. :) |
| 14:10.54 | ZitZ | but the whole point of the netinst is that you are downloading all the packages you need on your connection |
| 14:11.09 | ZitZ | That's why I was recommending getting disks through the mail |
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| 14:12.09 | babilen | you-tee-f: Is this for your personal/private use? Is your connection slow in addition to being restricted? (I've never heard of such a braindead ISP, but meh ...) |
| 14:12.15 | you-tee-f | i see ZitZ |
| 14:12.31 | you-tee-f | in that case I will use torrent to download the CD image |
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| 14:13.07 | ZitZ | yeah, that first CD definitely has everything you need, if C programming is your requirement |
| 14:13.10 | you-tee-f | personal use/ not so slow connection |
| 14:13.16 | babilen | Note that squeeze's (current (quite outdated) stable) CD1 does /not/ contain every package to install a full Gnome DE. Which desktop environment are you planning to use? |
| 14:13.29 | babilen | (if any) |
| 14:13.41 | you-tee-f | a lightweight desktop |
| 14:13.48 | you-tee-f | which one would you advice me as well ? |
| 14:13.59 | you-tee-f | gnome is sexy but i don't know about the others |
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| 14:14.13 | babilen | You might also want to consider installing wheezy (see "/msg dpkg install wheezy" for further details). On what kind of hardware are you installing? XFCE is a common and IMHO reasonable choice. |
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| 14:16.44 | ZitZ | LXDE or no DE are also great lightweight choices. :) |
| 14:16.51 | babilen | But I seem to remember that there are no wheezy torrents. I would probably simply download the wheezy netinstall with firmware (/msg dpkg firmware images wheezy), but that is larger than 100Mb ... :-/ |
| 14:17.06 | babilen | Yeah, meant to mention LXDE too :) |
| 14:17.36 | ZitZ | he really can't do netinst because of his connection |
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| 14:17.59 | babilen | ZitZ: Why is that? |
| 14:18.30 | caraconan | Hi all. I'm getting "Attempt to read block from filesystem resulted in short read while trying to open /dev/sda2" on a unmounted LVM partition from a live cd |
| 14:18.31 | ZitZ | He has a 100mb cap or something |
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| 14:18.49 | caraconan | Any help about how to launch a e2fsck on that disk? |
| 14:19.15 | babilen | ZitZ: My understanding was that this is a per-file cap |
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| 14:19.31 | babilen | (which is simply stupid, but meh) |
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| 14:19.58 | jpinx | caraconan: you want to fsck a CD ? |
| 14:20.06 | ZitZ | could be, i didn't understand the details of the restriction |
| 14:20.08 | babilen | But then you-tee-f still wouldn't be able to download the 235Mb netinstall image. |
| 14:20.14 | caraconan | I want to fsck from a Live CD |
| 14:20.30 | you-tee-f | ZitZ my 100Mb restriction is just for http protocol |
| 14:20.35 | jpinx | caraconan: what is making you need to do that? |
| 14:20.41 | you-tee-f | and only for full file that exceed this size |
| 14:20.47 | babilen | you-tee-f: Would you mind clarifying the /exact/ nature of your restrictions and also provide additional information about the hardware you are installing on. |
| 14:20.55 | caraconan | <jpinx> errors shown by S.M.A.R.T. tools |
| 14:21.03 | ZitZ | so you can't get a single file that is more than 100mb over http |
| 14:21.07 | caraconan | Just rebooting to grab some of them from the logs |
| 14:21.09 | you-tee-f | yes |
| 14:21.15 | babilen | you-tee-f: So https is not affected? But you still can't download a single file with 235Mb? |
| 14:21.23 | ZitZ | which is why you can't just download the images |
| 14:21.31 | ZitZ | but you should be able to bittorent whatever you want |
| 14:21.41 | you-tee-f | yes |
| 14:21.48 | ZitZ | and no single packages will be over 100mb |
| 14:21.56 | ZitZ | to my knowledge |
| 14:22.02 | you-tee-f | yes so it's fine |
| 14:22.27 | babilen | you-tee-f: On what kind of hardware are you installing? Is https affected too? |
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| 14:23.42 | you-tee-f | https is affected, but the restriction is really not an issue, since i still can reach images on torrent |
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| 14:24.06 | you-tee-f | and my hardware is a 64bit processor |
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| 14:24.57 | babilen | you-tee-f: Well, that restricts you to using squeeze, while it is much more reasonable at this point in the release cycle to install wheezy. But meh, go ahead and download either the netinstall image for wheezy with firmware (/msg dpkg firmware images) or the XFCE/LXDE CD1 .. |
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| 14:25.32 | ZitZ | i would definitely recommend wheezy at this point too |
| 14:25.56 | you-tee-f | ok folks ! |
| 14:26.08 | you-tee-f | i will try all that out |
| 14:26.22 | babilen | ZitZ, you-tee-f: But there is no image you-tee-f could possibly download |
| 14:26.25 | you-tee-f | if i have further questions, i will bump the chat |
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| 14:26.50 | you-tee-f | babilen really ? |
| 14:26.52 | you-tee-f | no torrent , |
| 14:26.54 | you-tee-f | ? |
| 14:27.01 | babilen | not for wheezy images, no |
| 14:27.06 | babilen | (AFAICT) |
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| 14:28.17 | babilen | you-tee-f: To be honest: I would recommend to simply go to an internet cafe and download the XFCE or LXDE image from http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/amd64/iso-cd/ + firmware (as detailed in "/msg dpkg installer firmware wheezy"). Burn the former on a CD over there and save the firmware unpacked (!) on a USB stick. |
| 14:28.47 | ZitZ | i have my issues with the debian download page as well |
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| 14:28.54 | babilen | (or switch to a reasonable provider, the cap is ridiculous) |
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| 14:29.03 | ZitZ | it leaves much to be desired |
| 14:29.18 | babilen | ZitZ: Like what? And /which/ page are you talking about? |
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| 14:30.09 | ZitZ | mostly in obtaining the testing distribution |
| 14:30.10 | babilen | http://www.debian.org/releases/squeeze/debian-installer/ or http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ or something else? |
| 14:30.30 | babilen | ZitZ: I find the /devel/ page pretty okay ... What is your problem with that one? |
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| 14:31.09 | ZitZ | it's only a personal problem, because i don't use jidg, lol |
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| 14:31.12 | caraconan | I'm getting this errors: http://pastebin.com/UriTLz8H |
| 14:31.12 | ZitZ | freaking netsplit |
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| 14:31.36 | babilen | ZitZ: There are plenty of links to non-jigdo images. |
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| 14:31.48 | ZitZ | no torrents though |
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| 14:32.20 | babilen | caraconan: Please never ever use pastebin.com again ... there are plenty of much better alternatives such as http://paste.debian.net, http://paste.ubuntu.com http://refheap.com ... (/msg dpkg pastebin.com) |
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| 14:32.59 | babilen | caraconan: And what did you do prior to getting those errors? |
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| 14:33.07 | caraconan | But when I execute a fsck I get 'Attempt to read block from filesystem resulted in short read while trying to open /dev/sda2' . Any idea how can I fix it? |
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| 14:33.39 | caraconan | <babilen> Nothing special. It's a KVM server. Create VM's etc... |
| 14:33.56 | caraconan | I realize that something was going on, and then I checked the hard drive |
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| 14:34.24 | babilen | Checked it how? |
| 14:34.29 | jhutchins_wk | caraconan: You can't. |
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| 14:34.35 | babilen | I am missing a lot of context here ... |
| 14:34.38 | jhutchins_wk | caraconan: Plan on replacing the drive soon. |
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| 14:35.17 | babilen | It sounds as if you want to install smartmontools and provide some smart test results. And yeah, it looks as if you want to replace that drive soon. |
| 14:35.28 | caraconan | Ok thanks |
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| 14:35.49 | caraconan | So there's nothing to do to finish the fsck command? |
| 14:35.59 | babilen | caraconan: Would you mind pasting the output of "smartctl -a /dev/sda" to http://paste.debian.net ? |
| 14:36.10 | caraconan | Sure |
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| 14:36.54 | babilen | caraconan: brb |
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| 14:37.41 | caraconan | <babilen> http://paste.debian.net/240981/ |
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| 14:39.28 | babilen | caraconan: Yeah, that drive is dying. Create backups and replace it ASAP. |
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| 14:40.18 | caraconan | <babilen> Thanks, I've got a daily backup, so np. Thanks for your help sir |
| 14:40.23 | caraconan | Bye |
| 14:40.31 | babilen | caraconan: You might want to run more extensive SMART tests ... (e.g. "smartctl --test=short /dev/sda" (or long)) |
| 14:40.42 | babilen | too late |
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| 14:48.02 | mallxs | phpmyadmin is complaining that: our PHP MySQL library version 5.1.66 differs from your MySQL server version 5.0.51a. ... can i fix that ? |
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| 14:51.14 | dawud | mallxs: Enterprise MySQL? |
| 14:51.28 | babilen | mallxs: Please provide the output of "COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l "*mysql*"" on http://paste.debian.net please |
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| 14:52.34 | ghost75 | babilen: remember the gir thing in wheezy? |
| 14:53.16 | ghost75 | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=702453 |
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| 14:54.00 | babilen | ghost75: Thanks |
| 14:54.23 | ghost75 | he sent me patch but i dont know how to apply when it happens during dist-upgrade |
| 14:55.04 | babilen | ghost75: Simple remove the package manually for now, the important part is that this problem will be fixed with the next upload. |
| 14:55.12 | babilen | mallxs: hmm? |
| 14:55.56 | babilen | mallxs: I most certainly know what the problem is and how to fix it, but please let me verfy my assumption first ... :) |
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| 14:57.39 | babilen | pokes mallxs |
| 14:58.29 | ghost75 | i hope he doesnt wait for me to try it |
| 14:58.56 | pzn | sudenly, programs like "less" and "most" are not working anymore... they fail with "failed to init terminal". but "vim" is working OK. how can I debug this? |
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| 15:00.27 | babilen | pzn: What have you done /before/ you encounctered that error? |
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| 15:00.35 | ZitZ | some programs don't start unless you have enough lines available. I wouldn't think less and more would be one of those though. |
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| 15:01.14 | ZitZ | mc (midnight commander) has a minimum amount of lines. |
| 15:01.33 | pzn | babilen, it is a server, probably it is the first time in the year that I log in it. just daily cron activities like "apt-get update/upgrade"... nothing was changed in the configuration |
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| 15:01.59 | ZitZ | using ssh? |
| 15:02.04 | babilen | pzn: How do you log into it? What does TERM give you? |
| 15:02.09 | mallxs | babilen: sorry had a phone call http://paste.debian.net/240986/\ |
| 15:02.11 | babilen | "echo $TERM" that is |
| 15:02.38 | pzn | babilen, logged using ssh, "echo $TERM" gives me "xterm" |
| 15:02.39 | babilen | mallxs: Ah, okay :) -- Read http://www.debian.org/releases/squeeze/amd64/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html#obsolete and |
| 15:02.45 | babilen | dpkg: tell mallxs -about mysql squeeze |
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| 15:02.55 | babilen | mallxs: … and install the mysql server 5.1 package |
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| 15:03.26 | pzn | ZitZ, I have tried with standard 80x25 terminal and also with a big one 140x70 |
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| 15:03.46 | babilen | pzn: Are you entirely sure that it happens with both less /and/ most? |
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| 15:03.51 | mallxs | babilen: thx for the service |
| 15:04.00 | babilen | mallxs: No problem, have fun! |
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| 15:05.53 | ZitZ | you could try purging and reinstalling xterm |
| 15:06.11 | ZitZ | would there be too many dependencies? |
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| 15:07.43 | babilen | pzn: The background to my question is that I can find that error message only in most's sysdep.c ... |
| 15:08.26 | pzn | babilen, "less" exits with status 1 silently, "most" exits with exit status 1 and "failed to init terminal" |
| 15:09.34 | pzn | ZitZ, "apt-get remove --purge xterm; apt-get install xterm" didn't solve |
| 15:09.50 | babilen | ack, so it might be due to the same problem, but most provides a better (well, it does provide one at all) error message |
| 15:10.16 | babilen | pzn: https://github.com/FauxFaux/most-pager/blob/master/src/sysdep.c |
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| 15:13.02 | pzn | babilen, there is a "cryptic" message on "strace", just before the "failed to init terminal": ioctl(3, SNDCTL_TMR_TIMEBASE or TCGETS, 0xbfc22e78) = -1 ENOTTY (Inappropriate ioctl for device) |
| 15:13.13 | pzn | babilen, what could be wrong with my terminal? |
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| 15:14.07 | babilen | pzn: Looks as if it is having problem getting access to a tty |
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| 15:15.11 | pzn | babilen, command "tty" outputs "/dev/pts/2", and ls -l on it returns "crw-------" and owner/group are ok... |
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| 15:15.53 | pzn | babilen, it seems I'll just uninstall most and less... and keep using "more" for now |
| 15:16.17 | pzn | babilen, then, when I discover what is wrong, I reinstall most and less :-) |
| 15:16.19 | jhutchins_wk | pzn: I think one of the first things I'd do is an fsck. |
| 15:16.42 | jhutchins_wk | pzn: If you have damanged binaries you may have disk errors. |
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| 15:16.54 | babilen | pzn: Do you have a /dev/tty ? |
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| 15:18.02 | pzn | jhutchins_wk, my 641 days of uptime will be lost, but no problem :-) this can be done at midnight |
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| 15:18.14 | pzn | babilen, yes. /dev/tty exists |
| 15:18.30 | babilen | pzn: http://www.jedsoft.org/slang/doc/html/cref-10.html -- the return value of Slang_init_tty seems to be -1 .. I am simply trying to understand why |
| 15:18.50 | wahly | i have an app that is requiring libc6 2.15. i'm currently running sid and have libc6 2.13. is there any usable releases of debian that are compiled against libc6 2.15? |
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| 15:19.07 | babilen | wahly: No, recompile that "app" |
| 15:19.20 | babilen | wahly: It is broken and not meant to be used on Debian. What is it? |
| 15:19.20 | wahly | it's binary unfortunately :-/ |
| 15:19.23 | wahly | from humblebundle |
| 15:19.33 | babilen | wahly: Well, then don't use it. |
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| 15:20.13 | wahly | yup, that's what i figured. just wanted confirmation. any chance that the next release of sid (once this release goes 'stable') will have 2.15? |
| 15:20.20 | babilen | wahly: Well, then don't use it. Or use Ubuntu or try the 2.17 from experimental (but that might/will break your system) |
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| 15:21.22 | babilen | wahly: libc6 upgrades are pretty, well, intrusive. 2.17 (or whatever is recent then) will certainly be uploaded at one point in the future (after the release!), but that transition will definitely need some planning and testing. |
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| 15:21.57 | wahly | yup, i've done libc6 upgrades in the past, so i know how intrusive they are. thanks for the insight babilen! |
| 15:22.00 | ploo | does debian squeeze kernel support sandy bridge cpus? |
| 15:22.02 | bw_ | wahly: there is a steam package that works with 2.15 ;) |
| 15:22.03 | pzn | babilen, /dev/pts mount options and permissions are the same (compared to a machine that "less" works) |
| 15:22.05 | ploo | or do I need debian 7? |
| 15:22.10 | babilen | wahly: There is most likely no reason for that program to depend on something >= 2.15 anyway, so the author might just be lazy/clueless. I would file a bug or simply don't use that software. |
| 15:22.31 | bw_ | wahly: if thats you're problem |
| 15:22.41 | babilen | You are problem! |
| 15:22.51 | wahly | bw_: thanks |
| 15:23.11 | babilen | wahly: Is this about steam? |
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| 15:23.44 | babilen | ploo: You need wheezy (or upgrade a lot of software) -- See "/msg dpkg install wheezy" for further details. |
| 15:24.06 | bw_ | babilen: basicly everyone asking about glibc >= 2.15 there is about steam i would guess;) |
| 15:24.19 | babilen | ploo: You can, probably, run squeeze with a backports kernel and Xorg, but you might just as well install wheezy at this point in the release cycle. |
| 15:24.56 | babilen | bw_: Well, it might be .. but then there are /much/ better solutions. There is an officially maintained steam package waiting in NEW (targetting experimental) ... |
| 15:25.05 | wahly | babilen: i got the package from humblebundle's website, not steam. i haven't had success getting the game installed via steam |
| 15:25.36 | babilen | So this /is/ about steam? |
| 15:25.40 | bw_ | wahly: you can get steam keys from HB |
| 15:25.48 | babilen | !steam |
| 15:25.49 | dpkg | Steam is a proprietary content delivery and management application for PC software with (Ubuntu) Linux support; it is not supported in #debian but in #steamlug on <freenode>. It might work in a multiarched version of Debian (Wheezy or later), with some dependencies satisfied from experimental for the time being. An installer for Debian systems was previously considered (bug #701157). |
| 15:25.53 | wahly | bw_: i have the steam key, but it won't install via steam |
| 15:26.10 | bw_ | thats odd |
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| 15:26.12 | wahly | babilen: no, this has nothing to do with steam. this is about a game from the recent humble bundle |
| 15:26.32 | babilen | I have no idea what a "humble bundle" is, but it doesn't sound like something in Debian as well. |
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| 15:27.27 | babilen | pzn: Sorry, I am temporarily out of ideas. If I find time to investigate this further I'll ping. (don't wanted to let you hang like that) |
| 15:27.47 | jelly | gives babilen a grape-flavored idea |
| 15:28.10 | wahly | babilen: ya, there is nothing for Debian to do about this application not working. i'm not asking anyone to waste cycles trying to fix crappy code from a proprietary app. i was just curious if anyone knew when libc6 2.15 might be available/supported in debian |
| 15:28.31 | pzn | babilen, mitigated with "apt-get remove most less" and "update-alternativer --config pager" to "more"... then I'll to an fsck tonight as jhutchins_wk suggested. thanks! |
| 15:28.59 | babilen | pzn: well, okay ... still :-/ |
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| 15:29.27 | babilen | wahly: okay, understood. In short: No |
| 15:29.36 | wahly | babilen: thanks :) |
| 15:29.37 | pzn | babilen, still unsolved... but at least I can continue with the old "more" :-) thanks |
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| 15:30.29 | babilen | wahly: You /can/ try 2.17 from exp, but do it at your own risk. |
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| 15:42.31 | ihsw | i'm getting https invalid certificate issues for gmail.com, twitter.com, google.com...what's the deal? |
| 15:42.50 | ihsw | github.com...pretty much every https |
| 15:43.20 | ihsw | it's only for chrome though |
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| 15:44.21 | jhutchins_wk | ihsw: Sounds like it's not set up for the proper CA tree. |
| 15:44.22 | ihsw | i'm going to #chromium...nevermind |
| 15:44.33 | ihsw | jhutchins_wk: oh, is that right eh? just happened in the past ten minutes |
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| 15:44.48 | ihsw | jhutchins_wk: and pidgin |
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| 15:45.22 | jhutchins_wk | ihsw: Do you understand how that works? |
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| 15:46.00 | ihsw | jhutchins_wk: not a clue, firefox is throwing up the invalid certificate error too |
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| 15:54.41 | delight | I could use some help for a init bash script I wrote on a debian squeeze 6.0.7 system - it should start a tomcat instance and set CATALINA_OPTS before … this does not work for the root user … only if i start it directly with the admin user … anyone that can give me a hint on this ? http://paste.debian.net/240959/ |
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| 16:00.40 | jelly | delight: custom environment vars do not pass thru "su - ..." |
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| 16:02.25 | delight | jelly: i see thanks … so what would be an option .. i thought of a workaround by calling my own starter bash script - but that didn't seem to be a real solution … just a workaround |
| 16:02.35 | delight | jelly: do you know any other options ? |
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| 16:03.24 | jelly | delight: we do indeed have our own script to start tomcats, at work |
| 16:03.45 | jelly | the init script basically calls TOMCAT_STARTUP=/opt/tomcat/startup with or without su |
| 16:03.49 | delight | jelly: ok so I guess I will have to take the same route ;) |
| 16:04.21 | jelly | (you can be lazy and make it a simple wrapper that sets up variables and calls default scripts) |
| 16:04.28 | deadalnix_ | hey people, do you know what is the state of wayland in debian ? |
| 16:04.38 | delight | jelly: thnx for your feedback … and your explenation .. I thought I'm missing something here |
| 16:04.48 | deadalnix_ | I see a package, but don't really know if it is usable and how and google isn't helpful on that one |
| 16:05.09 | somiaj | deadalnix_: have you checked the bts on that package? |
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| 16:05.22 | deadalnix_ | somiaj, bts ??? |
| 16:05.49 | zykotick9 | !bts |
| 16:05.50 | dpkg | Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of unstable and testing are required to check the BTS. See also <apt-listbugs>, <reportbug>. http://wiki.debian.org/HowtoUseBTS |
| 16:05.53 | somiaj | deadalnix_: bugs.debian.org -- the bug tracking system. Also I do not see wayland in wheezy, I only see some libaries, so my guess is it isn't that functional. |
| 16:06.34 | somiaj | delight: do you just need that env_varabile set when you run the tomcat binary? |
| 16:07.12 | deadalnix_ | somiaj, the soft is weston |
| 16:07.14 | delight | somiaj: yes, I do |
| 16:07.17 | deadalnix_ | it is packages |
| 16:07.36 | deadalnix_ | I'll check the bug tracker |
| 16:07.46 | somiaj | deadalnix_: ahh, yea I don't know much about wayland, my suggestion would be check the bts and other info about the packages |
| 16:07.56 | somiaj | deadalnix_: bts will tell you if it just dosen't work and any bugs |
| 16:08.20 | somiaj | delight: I think you just need to remove the dash from your su command |
| 16:08.32 | somiaj | delight: so you want su $TOMCAT_USER -c command |
| 16:08.39 | deadalnix_ | somiaj, yeah I don't expect everything to work out of the box as it is really new, but I definitively want to check it out |
| 16:08.48 | somiaj | oh wait, oposite, you want su -c "command" $TOMCAT_USER |
| 16:09.03 | delight | somiaj: I'll give it a shut :) thnx for the suggestion |
| 16:09.07 | delight | shot |
| 16:09.21 | somiaj | the - makes su do a full login so you reload the enviorment, which is not what you want. You want to run the command in the same enviorment with just another user |
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| 16:10.02 | somiaj | the other option is you can specify enviroment variables on the CLI, 'ENV_VAR="foo" command' -- though I think you will want to run that in the shell that is launched by su |
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| 16:20.07 | delight | somiaj: su $TOMCAT_USER -c |
| 16:20.11 | delight | works fine |
| 16:20.17 | delight | thnx a lot |
| 16:21.31 | delight | so the problem is that su - basically starts a fresh environment and initializes it while su is keeping the environment and therefore the exported CATALINA_OPTS don't get wiped away |
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| 16:25.55 | jigal_ | hi i am doing a new installation of a debian too use as a server on a vps. Which partitioning method should i choose? |
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| 16:28.32 | somiaj | delight: correct, su can either just become a user, or do a full login(1) as the user. Which effects the enviorment |
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| 16:29.03 | delight | yes … :) thnx learned something 2day |
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| 16:29.12 | somiaj | jigal_: depends, for the most part just using the full vitural disk will work |
| 16:29.37 | somiaj | jigal_: i.e. it will make a small swap parition and use the rest as a single partition on /, you could split it up more if you so desire. |
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| 16:32.00 | Jarris | i tryed to avoid beeing asked two time for luks pw for two disks at boot. i added a keyfile to luks and to crypttap, but i am still asked for both... what did i wrong? thx in advance |
| 16:32.20 | jigal_ | my debian installation failed during installing grub what should i do now |
| 16:33.08 | tharkun | I'm trying to export an nfs subtree that has several partitions on it. but I am only able to see the "root" partition and not the subdirs? |
| 16:33.38 | somiaj | Jarris: I think you have to put that info in the initrd image and rebuild it. Though this is something I have no experience with. |
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| 16:34.42 | shdw_work | I seem to have a bigger problem than I originally thought. I have a system on squeeze 6.0.6, and when I try to do update/upgrade, no packages are being upgraded. |
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| 16:34.51 | Jarris | somiaj: thanks for that hint. but its new terra for me too |
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| 16:35.25 | somiaj | shdw_work: have you done an apt-get update? |
| 16:35.40 | shdw_work | yes, update and upgrade |
| 16:35.41 | somiaj | shdw_work: if that doesn't work, what are your sources.list file |
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| 16:36.08 | shdw_work | one sec, I'll pastebin my sources.list |
| 16:36.25 | somiaj | shdw_work: it could be you have no packages installed that need upgrades. It could be you have a mirror that is out of date, or your sources.list file is not giving you internet resources. |
| 16:36.45 | shdw_work | I'm using debian.uchicago.org for my mirror |
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| 16:37.24 | shdw_work | http://pastebin.com/7qM4pzYB |
| 16:38.32 | shdw_work | I'm using the same mirrors on another machine, and that one did get upgraded to 6.0.7 |
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| 16:38.37 | somiaj | shdw_work: do you upgrade regurally (or have a script to do it every night)? |
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| 16:38.51 | somiaj | shdw_work: you have security sources (Which is a must) and squeeze-updates |
| 16:39.07 | somiaj | shdw_work: all 6.0.7 is, is 6.0.6 + any security updates and bug fixes which get put into squeeze-updates |
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| 16:39.18 | shdw_work | this one just gets manually updated. It's on a VM that I'm using for testing. |
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| 16:39.31 | somiaj | shdw_work: it could be you have over time upgraded all your packages from the squeeze-updates sources |
| 16:39.31 | shdw_work | but it was cleanly installed within the last month |
| 16:39.56 | shdw_work | "lsb_release -a" still tells my 6.0.6 on this machine though |
| 16:40.22 | somiaj | shdw_work: you could try another mirror. |
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| 16:40.48 | shdw_work | is there an apt command to let me select another, or do you have a suggestion for one to change to? |
| 16:41.07 | somiaj | but there shouldn't be to much difference from 6.0.6 and 6.0.7, and your sources.list shows that you are getting the upgrades as they are made avaiable and not waiting for the point release. |
| 16:41.17 | somiaj | you have to modify your sources.list then apt-get update |
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| 16:41.34 | somiaj | use ftp.us.debian.org for a us mirror that will be upto date. |
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| 16:42.23 | jigal_ | my debian installation failed during installing grub what should i do now |
| 16:42.34 | shdw_work | AH! All kinds of updates now |
| 16:42.57 | somiaj | shdw_work: so either your apt-get update didn't work, or the mirror you are using is just slow at being upto date. |
| 16:43.19 | somiaj | jigal_: /msg dpkg fixmbr |
| 16:43.28 | shdw_work | Oh I've been poking at this since last week. I've run update a couple dozen times and never got any further. |
| 16:43.45 | jigal_ | somiaj, msg not found |
| 16:43.53 | somiaj | jigal_: it is an irc command |
| 16:43.54 | shdw_work | upgrades are happening now though, guess uchicago is just behind on their files |
| 16:44.00 | shdw_work | thanks for the help |
| 16:44.27 | babilen | dpkg: tell shdw_work -about http.debian.org |
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| 16:45.19 | babilen | dpkg: Or use one in the country rotation: ftp.CC.debian.org (with CC replaced by your countries' code (e.g. de, uk, hk, tw, jp, us, fr, be, ...) |
| 16:45.19 | dpkg | You are person #1 to send an unparseable request, babilen |
| 16:45.28 | babilen | argh |
| 16:45.32 | shdw_work | haha |
| 16:45.33 | babilen | shdw_work: ^^^^ |
| 16:45.40 | babilen | I really should know better :) |
| 16:45.51 | koollman | stop talking to the robot. else you will be first to be killed when then rise against us ;) |
| 16:46.17 | shdw_work | no problem... At least I know now when I get a limited response from update, I should try another mirror |
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| 16:54.15 | greenit | hi, how can i install debian with non-free drivers? i need a wireless driver during install, but it is non-free :S |
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| 16:55.38 | jhutchins_wk | greenit: Do you need firmware or the whole driver? |
| 16:56.58 | greenit | jhutchins_wk, i don't know, but it wrote i need a ucode-file... i loaded the ucode-file on an usb-stick, but didn't work |
| 16:57.39 | somiaj | greenit: squeeze there are some unoffical installers and the offical installer can use the firmware. Wheezy I think has offical non-free installers |
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| 16:57.51 | Quest | offtopic can anyone answer http://stackoverflow.com/questions/15342665/google-seo-indexing-subdomains |
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| 16:58.08 | greenit | somiaj, where do i get the wheezi installer from? |
| 16:58.09 | somiaj | greenit: my solution is to use the netinstall, install the base system. Manually copy over the firmware (and maybe wpasupplicant) packages, then install the rest from there |
| 16:58.49 | greenit | somiaj, well, i need the firmware to install debian, so it isn't possible afaik... |
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| 16:58.53 | eloycotopereiro | hi, I have sftp-server |
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| 16:59.17 | greenit | somiaj, i have the netinstall-cd to install |
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| 16:59.30 | eloycotopereiro | with chrooted users but I don't have permisision to write form sftp client. The permissions it's ok, |
| 16:59.38 | eloycotopereiro | any help? |
| 17:00.27 | somiaj | greenit: why do you need it? It is possible to install a base functional system from the netinstall cd, it just won't be able to connect to the internet to install additional packages. |
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| 17:01.16 | somiaj | greenit: I wasn't able to find a non-free wheezy installer. I thought I saw them, but maybe I was mistaken |
| 17:01.17 | greenit | somiaj, ok, so i can install a base-system, install the firmware and then update? |
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| 17:01.47 | somiaj | greenit: correct |
| 17:02.01 | somiaj | greenit: you can use packages.debian.org to get the missing packages. |
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| 17:02.06 | greenit | somiaj, k, thx |
| 17:02.11 | somiaj | greenit: you will proabaly have to copy over a firmware package and wpasupplicant |
| 17:02.42 | greenit | ok |
| 17:03.06 | somiaj | greenit: I'm assuming your hardware is supported by the squeeze 2.6.32 kernel and firmware is all you are missing. If you need a backported 3.2 kernel for your hardware, that is possible too with this method, just more stuff to copy over |
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| 17:20.24 | karthus | My p54usb wifi stick doesn't find the firmware file I put in /usr/local/lib/firmware at boot but removing and loading the module with modprobe works afterwards. Any ideas how I could fix this? |
| 17:20.32 | panosru | Hello, I tried to give to a user root privileges, https://gist.github.com/7ff35f2d34a19c7f7d32 but it seems to not working for me, when I try for instance to restart a service or edit /etc/hosts is not possible without sudo :( |
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| 17:22.31 | karthus | panosru, how did you try to give them? adding the user to sudoers will just let him use sudo |
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| 17:23.08 | panosru | karthus: I try to give to a user root privileges so I don't need to run sudo all the time |
| 17:23.16 | somiaj | panosru: just use sudo, why are you trying to avoid it. setuid and groups just seems more of a pain |
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| 17:23.29 | somiaj | that is what sudo is for, to give a user root privlages |
| 17:23.31 | panosru | I added the user to sudoers group and I used visudo to give him all privileges |
| 17:23.45 | somiaj | correct, so then you have to use sudo |
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| 17:24.05 | ManoftheSea | all that does is give permission to use sudo |
| 17:24.09 | panosru | but how can I make it in a way that I won't need to use sudo all the time? |
| 17:24.18 | ManoftheSea | It is fundamentally wrong to give admin privilege to normal user. |
| 17:24.26 | ManoftheSea | You should not run as admin all the time. |
| 17:24.33 | ManoftheSea | You WILL mess up your computer. |
| 17:24.51 | panosru | as I said is a local vm so I don't really care if I mess it up |
| 17:24.52 | ManoftheSea | but... if you really want to, set their uid to 0 |
| 17:24.53 | somiaj | panosru: you do not want that, use sudo. You can make it not ask a password if that is what you want. |
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| 17:25.18 | mtn | sounds like he wants windows |
| 17:25.23 | jonathanpoon | hi ompaul: are you there? |
| 17:25.24 | panosru | lol |
| 17:25.31 | ManoftheSea | panosru: you could also run "su -", and run as root |
| 17:25.33 | panosru | noway for windows :P |
| 17:25.43 | karthus | panosru, you can also "sudo -s" to get a root shell |
| 17:25.45 | ManoftheSea | or "sudo -s" |
| 17:25.45 | panosru | mofthesea yeah but I don't want to run as root |
| 17:25.54 | ManoftheSea | that's what you just said you want to do |
| 17:26.02 | ManoftheSea | do you, or do you not, want root access ALL of the time. |
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| 17:26.13 | ManoftheSea | (root ALL of the shells) |
| 17:26.14 | panosru | yes but not as the root user |
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| 17:26.23 | ManoftheSea | mind = blown |
| 17:26.27 | mtn | heh |
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| 17:26.44 | mtn | panosru: so, what is the difference? |
| 17:26.48 | panosru | omfg why is so hard to understand? :P ok I'll take it from beginning |
| 17:26.57 | linguini | What's the debian way of installing perl packages (i.e. avoiding ~/.cpan)? |
| 17:27.08 | somiaj | linguini: there is a dh_perl I belive |
| 17:27.10 | kanzure | linguini: sudo apt-get install perl-wankery |
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| 17:27.43 | somiaj | linguini: it is dh-make-perl |
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| 17:28.05 | somiaj | linguini: this will actually make a .deb package from cpan modules that you can install with dpkg |
| 17:28.16 | somiaj | linguini: note you should first check to see if debian already has made the package, may times it has |
| 17:28.32 | ManoftheSea | panosru: because you're almost assuredly doing it wrong. |
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| 17:28.39 | ManoftheSea | Either root is good enough, or it isn't. |
| 17:28.45 | panosru | I have the user panosru and I login as root because I restart services and I do some stuff that requires root privileges, I want to load my bash profile but I don't want to modify root user bash profile so I want to make my profile "panosru" root and load my bash profile there so I could have my vm settings and my visual preference without having to use sudo all the time |
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| 17:29.10 | somiaj | panosru: again what is so wrong with just typing 'sudo' on the few things you need to do as root? |
| 17:29.13 | kanzure | oh my. |
| 17:29.21 | somiaj | panosru: that is the best method to go about that. |
| 17:29.36 | panosru | somiaj: if it where just few things it wouldn't much pain :P |
| 17:29.57 | abrotman | panosru: This isn't Windows 98 |
| 17:30.00 | ManoftheSea | is "sudo -s" so hard? |
| 17:30.05 | somiaj | panosru: note you could set scripts you want to run as root with a 'setuid' bit, and then restrict the group that can run them, but sudo is simple and easy |
| 17:30.05 | panosru | anyway fuck it |
| 17:30.07 | kanzure | maybe he has a lot of files that are not chowned to him |
| 17:30.08 | sparadokos | I like sudo... sudo = security |
| 17:30.15 | kanzure | and instead they are chowned to root |
| 17:30.20 | kanzure | so maybe he should fix his file permissions |
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| 17:30.28 | kanzure | it really shouldn't be necessary to use root so often |
| 17:30.32 | ManoftheSea | I do "su -", then almost always have to "mount -o remount,rw /" to do work |
| 17:30.42 | kanzure | and he's gone |
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| 17:31.10 | somiaj | aprentally he doesn't like the answer.... |
| 17:31.12 | ManoftheSea | Anyway... I told him how to make himself admin. Maybe he missed it? |
| 17:31.22 | ManoftheSea | uid 0 = root, no? |
| 17:31.24 | kanzure | i think he missed more than that |
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| 17:31.59 | ManoftheSea | "Dear Debian, how do I royally break my system?" "Why won't you guys tell me the answer?" |
| 17:32.05 | VanceX | panosru: You want to use gui instead of terminal all the time? |
| 17:32.13 | ManoftheSea | VanceX: he left |
| 17:32.35 | somiaj | I think he just doesn't want to type sudo |
| 17:32.56 | kanzure | maybe he hates forgetting sudo. but arrow-up and home are nifty enough. |
| 17:33.04 | kanzure | or !! |
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| 17:33.28 | ManoftheSea | Eh, I don't like giving normal user that much privilege, even. Because if a user loses password, they've lost a root password |
| 17:33.43 | ManoftheSea | on the other hand... I'm the only user on my system. |
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| 17:35.38 | somiaj | yea on my desktop/laptop I don't know my root passwords. sudo is more a layer that makes me think before I type |
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| 17:39.08 | apineda | so I'm able to access my windows network im wondering how to access it via console |
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| 17:39.23 | somiaj | apineda: are you talking about window shares? |
| 17:39.26 | apineda | im trying UNC path |
| 17:39.28 | apineda | yeah |
| 17:39.38 | somiaj | apineda: you need samba, which does it via the cifs filesystem |
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| 17:40.28 | gez | Hi |
| 17:40.31 | somiaj | sparadokos: smbclient can used to browse the shares and mount.cifs (or mount -t cifs) can be used to mount cifs filesystems |
| 17:40.38 | somiaj | apineda: ^^ |
| 17:40.40 | somiaj | sparadokos: sorry |
| 17:40.41 | Essobi | sup |
| 17:41.17 | gez | I've been trying to install a more recent version of iceweasel, pulling it from experimental. I could do it until version 17, but after that there is a dependencies problem |
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| 17:41.41 | somiaj | gez: on wheezy? |
| 17:41.47 | gez | xulrunner 18 and 19 depend on a newer version of libnss3 |
| 17:41.50 | gez | somiaj: yes |
| 17:42.13 | gez | the required version of libnss3 isn't in wheezy and aparently not in experimental either |
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| 17:42.23 | linguini | somiaj: How would I find out whether a debian package already exists for YAML::Any? |
| 17:42.25 | somiaj | gez: /msg dpkg ssbp -- you will have to backport it yourself |
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| 17:42.37 | somiaj | linguini: they are usually called libperl-foo or perl-foo |
| 17:42.42 | jelly | linguini: perl module? apt-cache search YAML::Any |
| 17:43.08 | somiaj | linguini: I did 'apt-cache search perl yaml' and there is a libyaml-perl package |
| 17:43.30 | somiaj | linguini: so in this case just install it. but dh-make-perl is nice if they are not premade. |
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| 17:44.03 | Thorjelly | Hello everyone. I have a PCI-e card, and also intel HD integrated graphics, which isn't attached to any monitors. How do I get the debian console to show up on my monitor attached to the PCI-e? I've set my browser to use this device as my primary graphics controller, and boot and bios go through it, but debian always switches the console back to the intel HD display port. How can I fix this? |
| 17:44.19 | Thorjelly | Er, set my bios |
| 17:44.25 | Thorjelly | Not sure why I said browser.. lol |
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| 17:45.36 | gez | somiaj: sorry, I'm new here. What does "/msg dkpg ssbp" mean? |
| 17:45.45 | zykotick9 | Thorjelly: are you sure that the console is on the onboard? have you plugged a monitor in to verify? |
| 17:45.48 | linguini | jelly: Ah, thanks. |
| 17:45.56 | somiaj | gez: it is an irc command, it sends the bot a private message and he sends you a response |
| 17:46.04 | somiaj | gez: the instructions on how to compile your own custom package |
| 17:46.14 | gez | Ahh, ok |
| 17:46.14 | Thorjelly | zykotick9: Yes, it is showing through the onboard port |
| 17:46.22 | somiaj | gez: if that is out of your comfortzone you will have to wait for wheezy to stabalize and get backports. |
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| 17:46.45 | zykotick9 | Thorjelly: ok. best of luck. |
| 17:46.50 | Thorjelly | Heh :P |
| 17:46.57 | somiaj | gez: on the other hand, downloading the static linked firefox binaries and putting them in $HOME you can run firefox just fine on debian systems. |
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| 17:47.46 | gez | somiaj: thank you very much. I think I'll compile the missing library if it doesn't require to turn my system upside down |
| 17:48.06 | somiaj | gez: it would be better to compile iceweasel |
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| 17:48.28 | gez | Ah, you mean iceweasel against the current lib |
| 17:48.30 | somiaj | gez: try to keep your libaries at the wheezy version as other things depend on them. |
| 17:48.43 | gez | Yes, that's what I thought. |
| 17:48.44 | somiaj | gez: correct, that is what a backport it, you compile iceweasel against the libs in wheezy |
| 17:48.51 | somiaj | gez: the package from experiemential is compiled against sid |
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| 17:49.14 | gez | Well, I have to build xulrunner, not iceweasel in that case |
| 17:49.26 | gez | That's the one ranting about the version of the library |
| 17:49.48 | apineda | somiaj: how come the 'file explorer' is able to access shares without samba? |
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| 17:50.12 | somiaj | apineda: it uses samba |
| 17:50.20 | somiaj | apineda: dpkg -l | grep samba and dpkg -l | grep cifs |
| 17:50.39 | gez | Thank you somiaj, I'll se what I can do. bye! |
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| 17:50.57 | somiaj | gez: I think xulrunner is part of the icewealse soruce package |
| 17:50.58 | zykotick9 | apineda: if you already have the shares mounted check ~/.gvfs to access them via-terminal |
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| 17:54.38 | Nebukadneza | heho |
| 17:55.20 | Nebukadneza | i've just tried to install wine on my amd64 debian testing. after installing i wanted to wine some .exe, and a dialog that told me i should dpkg --add-architecture i386, aptitude update and install wine-bin:i386 |
| 17:55.47 | Nebukadneza | i did this and it installed a couple of :i386 libs with it. however, now my box doesn't boot anymore because it can't find libsepol.so.5 at boot |
| 17:56.00 | Nebukadneza | (and while running after the upgrade nothing would start anymore because of various missing libs) |
| 17:56.24 | somiaj | Nebukadneza: you are running wheezy? Is your wheezy upto date? |
| 17:56.29 | Nebukadneza | now, i'm not quite sure what went wrong here, but i guess the automatic multiarch migration somehow exploded. booted from a recovery usb drive, i can't even chroot /mnt /bin/bash anymore ;/ |
| 17:56.42 | Nebukadneza | (libc.so.6 not found) |
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| 17:56.58 | Nebukadneza | somiaj: i'm running testing, full-upgraded maybe 2 weeks ago |
| 17:56.59 | ghost75 | libc not found is bad |
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| 17:57.17 | somiaj | Nebukadneza: then it did more than install a few :i386 libs, sounds like it removed most your system if libc.so.6 is missing |
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| 17:57.35 | Nebukadneza | yes, i know its there, in /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/, but somehow that place isn't searched |
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| 17:57.51 | Nebukadneza | no, as said, its still there, just in some place where the linker doesn't seem to look |
| 17:57.53 | somiaj | Nebukadneza: could you get the logs from /var/log/apt or /var/log/dpkg that pastes exactally what packages were installed/removed during this? |
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| 17:58.45 | somiaj | Nebukadneza: okay, check /etc/ld.so.conf and the files in /etc/ld.so.conf.d/ they tell you where to look for libaries |
| 17:59.14 | Nebukadneza | i checked those. ld.so.conf only includes /etc/ld.so.conf.d/*, and there is a x86_64-linux-gnu.conf which does include the right directories |
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| 17:59.48 | Nebukadneza | i'm checking /var/log/apt atm, and it really did only install and upgrade a few libs |
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| 18:00.12 | Nebukadneza | install many :i386 libs, and upgrade (minor versions) a few of the :amd64 core libs |
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| 18:01.33 | Nebukadneza | somiaj: i really don't understand why the linker doesn't seem to know about those dirs |
| 18:01.47 | Nebukadneza | do i have to, somehow, invalidate/regenerate the ld.so cache? |
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| 18:02.38 | Nebukadneza | oops, there is no /etc/ld.so.cache ... does that mean something to me? |
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| 18:04.01 | ghost75 | /etc/ld.so.cache has include in it |
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| 18:04.15 | Nebukadneza | ahhhh |
| 18:05.09 | Nebukadneza | yes, /etc/ld.so.cache was missing, and as soon as i simply copied over the ld.so.cache of the amd64-grml i was booted into i could chroot into my system |
| 18:06.02 | ghost75 | why was missing |
| 18:06.20 | Nebukadneza | i don't know |
| 18:06.40 | Nebukadneza | i now tried a apt-get -f install to finish the broken installation procedure from before that broke my system |
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| 18:07.02 | Nebukadneza | it was to unpack libc6:amd64, and after that it explodes (dpkg can't find its libs anymore, beginning with libz for its next package) |
| 18:07.17 | Nebukadneza | somehow unpacking libc6:amd64 removes /etc/ld.so.cache without re-generating it Oo |
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| 18:08.54 | Nebukadneza | any ideas why that should/could happen? |
| 18:09.17 | ghost75 | http://www.debian.org/Bugs/ |
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| 18:09.44 | Nebukadneza | i checked there already, but its a bit hard to search for my error |
| 18:09.47 | Nebukadneza | i haven't found anything |
| 18:09.48 | blackdog_ | hi there i am trying to run opencl on my thinkpad w500 with discrete graphics amd/ati radeon hd 3650 |
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| 18:09.54 | ghost75 | report new bug then |
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| 18:10.01 | Nebukadneza | uhm |
| 18:10.18 | Nebukadneza | i can/will do that, but i still need a workaround now |
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| 18:11.13 | blackdog_ | if i am running the hello-world sample of the amd app i get that the gpu isnt available |
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| 18:11.29 | blackdog_ | anyone here knows how to solve this? |
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| 18:13.03 | blackdog_ | i installed the catalyst driver then I installed the opencl |
| 18:13.25 | anon_2 | hello. Just installed wheezy with net installer. I have no lan. During installation i offered the corret firmware for my wlan usb stick, but the installer did not found the mirror server. after restart i have terminal access. how can i configure wlan access and continue installation? |
| 18:13.32 | keith4_ | blackdog_: maybe try #opencl? |
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| 18:14.06 | blackdog_ | keith4_, ok will try it there to |
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| 18:14.08 | blackdog_ | too |
| 18:14.11 | blackdog_ | thx |
| 18:14.31 | keith4_ | anon_2: what card is it? |
| 18:15.07 | apineda | I'm looking in my sbin and not seeing mount.cifs :( I'm trying to follow this http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/how-to-mount-remote-windows-partition-windows-share-under-linux.html |
| 18:15.26 | apineda | I'm just looking at options and wondering i I require domain on top of those |
| 18:15.39 | Nebukadneza | ah |
| 18:15.39 | Nebukadneza | http://www.legendiary.at/2013/02/23/adventures-on-recovering-broken-libc6-multiarch-upgrade-with-kernel-panics-on-debian-wheezy/ |
| 18:15.47 | Nebukadneza | this seems exactly my problem ... just how to solve it? |
| 18:15.55 | rww | apineda: /sbin/mount.cifs is provided by the package "cifs-utils". Check you have that installed if it's missing. |
| 18:16.28 | Nebukadneza | does anyone have a hint for me how t workaround this? |
| 18:16.48 | keith4_ | Nebukadneza: don't use multiarch ;-) |
| 18:17.11 | ghost75 | i thought multiarch is forced with new version |
| 18:17.11 | Nebukadneza | is there some way to "revert" to singlearch from multiarch? |
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| 18:17.32 | Nebukadneza | i'd love to do that |
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| 18:18.34 | anon_2 | keith4_: netgear atheros ar9170+ar9101 |
| 18:18.43 | keith4_ | ghost75: sure, but having the multiarch-support package and actually *using* multiarch are 2 different things |
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| 18:19.18 | keith4_ | anon_2: ok, can you elaborate on what you exactly you did when you "offered the correct firmware"? |
| 18:19.46 | blackdog_ | for those who are interested opencl isnt supported by my gpu |
| 18:19.49 | Nebukadneza | so, *is* there a way to go back to singlearch frm multiarch? |
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| 18:19.53 | blackdog_ | thx to all gn8 |
| 18:19.54 | ksuhku | Nebukadneza, I'm not at a debian machine but I think the file is /etc/dpkg/dpkg.cfg.d/multiarch |
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| 18:20.17 | Nebukadneza | ksuhku: that folder is empty ;( |
| 18:20.21 | ghost75 | "my gpu" |
| 18:20.43 | keith4_ | radeon hd 3650, according to his earlier chat |
| 18:20.59 | babilen | Nebukadneza: You might want to run "ldconfig" |
| 18:21.06 | rww | Not surprising. My 3450 doesn't do OpenCL either. |
| 18:21.07 | babilen | Nebukadneza: (also read its manpage) |
| 18:21.19 | Nebukadneza | babilen: that will get me a working system, yes -- but i can never ever again use dpkg ;) |
| 18:21.21 | Nebukadneza | *apt |
| 18:21.32 | babilen | why is that? |
| 18:21.55 | Nebukadneza | as apt will want to install the half-installed libc6:amd64, which deletes ld.so.cache in its preinstall, and then explodes because i can't find libz to unpack itself |
| 18:22.00 | keith4_ | anon_2: http://wiki.debian.org/ar9170usb |
| 18:22.45 | anon_2 | keith4_: the installer asked for firmaware rtl-nic/rtl8168d-2.fw. i offered with a usb stick and the installation continues. dmesk now shows: firmaware agend loaded rtl-nic/rtl8168d-2.fw into memory - eth0 link down - addrconf(netdev_uo): eth0 link is not ready. I think, why should it? the installer did not ask for the wlan key. |
| 18:22.51 | babilen | Nebukadneza: I have to leave soon, but may I see the exact error please? (on http://paste.debian.net ) |
| 18:23.11 | ksuhku | Nebukadneza, here's on multiarch http://wiki.debian.org/Multiarch/HOWTO |
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| 18:23.31 | keith4_ | anon_2: is this squeeze or wheezy? |
| 18:23.42 | anon_2 | keith4_: wheezy |
| 18:23.43 | Nebukadneza | babilen: its a little hard to nopaste from my testsystem, one sec |
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| 18:24.04 | Nebukadneza | s/test/rescue/g |
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| 18:24.56 | babilen | Nebukadneza: Yeah, don't worry. It's just that /something/ must have gone wrong during your upgrade. I am not sure what, but plenty of people (me included) completed the upgrade to multiarch and wheezy in its current form without problems. |
| 18:25.28 | anon_2 | keith4_: dmesg | grep ar9170 shows no match |
| 18:26.03 | Nebukadneza | babilen: http://nopaste.ghostdub.de/?741 |
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| 18:26.48 | keith4_ | anon_2: what exactly does lsusb show for this? |
| 18:27.00 | ChibaPet | Anyone know about MegaRAID support in Debian? I'm told there's something to monitor status shipped by Debian, but I'm not finding it. |
| 18:27.17 | keith4_ | anon_2: oh, wheezy? see this one instead http://wiki.debian.org/carl9170 |
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| 18:27.45 | dawud | ChibaPet: arrayinfo displays array status, as well as cat /proc/mdstatus, is this what you need? |
| 18:28.16 | anon_2 | keith4_: NetGear, Inc. WN111(v2) RangeMax Next Wireless [Atheros AR9170+AR9101] |
| 18:28.35 | ChibaPet | dawud: mdstatus is software (MD) raid. I'll look at what arrayinfo does, as I'm unfamiliar with it. Maybe that's the one. |
| 18:29.15 | Nebukadneza | babilen: the way i see it the preinstall of libc6:amd64 breaks it, right? |
| 18:29.17 | dawud | ChibaPet: arrayinfo is for software raid, too. |
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| 18:30.32 | keith4_ | ChibaPet: who told you that? |
| 18:30.44 | Nebukadneza | babilen: or if i installed it from my rescue system, so that the dpkg process always has a working set of libs? |
| 18:30.47 | babilen | Nebukadneza: Well, not necessarily. Could it be that you interrupted a previous dpkg/apt-get run? |
| 18:30.48 | ChibaPet | keith4_: Co-worker. I'm not taking it as truth. |
| 18:31.03 | Nebukadneza | babilen: no, it interrupted itself (in the same matter as you see in this paste) |
| 18:31.05 | dawud | ChibaPet: I'm wrong, it looks like array-info supports some controllers |
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| 18:31.19 | keith4_ | there are some nagios plugins that can check it, but afaik they all need megacli |
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| 18:31.29 | babilen | Nebukadneza: Which dpkg version do you have? |
| 18:31.32 | ChibaPet | I'm thinking I'll end upwith megacli. |
| 18:31.34 | babilen | (dpkg -l dpkg) |
| 18:31.41 | Nebukadneza | 1.16.9 |
| 18:31.50 | ChibaPet | checking array-info first - installing now |
| 18:32.22 | babilen | Nebukadneza: Ok, thanks. That should be okay. And zlib1g is installed? |
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| 18:32.36 | Nebukadneza | yes, in /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/ |
| 18:32.53 | anon_2 | keith4_: apt-get install firmware-linux-free does not find an instalation candidate. maybe i can offer it b |
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| 18:33.00 | anon_2 | keith4_: apt-get install firmware-linux-free does not find an instalation candidate. maybe i can offer it per usb |
| 18:33.03 | babilen | Nebukadneza: Well, dpkg depends on it so it should :) |
| 18:33.13 | Nebukadneza | yes :) |
| 18:33.21 | keith4_ | anon_2: well, if you don't have a network connection.... you're in a catch 22 |
| 18:33.39 | babilen | Nebukadneza: Hmm, I have to leave now, but this shouldn't happen. ... Hmm, what to do? |
| 18:33.55 | Nebukadneza | mh yes, that's the good question ;/ |
| 18:34.25 | ChibaPet | array-info doesn't seem to know about the hardware |
| 18:34.28 | anon_2 | keith4_: why do you think it is missing the driver? dmesg says the driver was loaded |
| 18:34.45 | keith4_ | oh, I thought you said it wouldn't load the firmware |
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| 18:35.43 | babilen | Nebukadneza: If this is in any way a "normal" and (in your opinion) a supported configuration/install I would like you to file a bug about this. You can give me the bug number then and we (and the maintainer) can follow up on it. Just don't have the time right now to debug this in detail :-/ |
| 18:35.44 | Nebukadneza | is there some way to tell dpkg not to run preinst scripts? |
| 18:36.05 | Nebukadneza | mh yeah, i need to get this box up and running again this evening |
| 18:36.08 | Nebukadneza | so i'll hack on |
| 18:36.35 | babilen | Nebukadneza: You can also edit those scripts, but /iff/ this is standard behaviour then it should be fixed. I would (in the name of science) simply encourage you to report a bug and provide as much information about your system as possible. |
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| 18:37.07 | anon_2 | keith4_: i said: the installer asked for firmaware rtl-nic/rtl8168d-2.fw. i offered with a usb stick and the installation continues. dmesk now shows: firmaware agend loaded rtl-nic/rtl8168d-2.fw into memory - eth0 link down - addrconf(netdev_uo): eth0 link is not ready. I think, why should it? the installer did not ask for the wlan key. |
| 18:37.10 | Nebukadneza | babilen: yes, i will do that so noone else has to fix it as dirty as this |
| 18:37.13 | Nebukadneza | but i need to fix it first |
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| 18:37.32 | babilen | ack |
| 18:37.43 | babilen | Nebukadneza: Good luck and until later :-/ |
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| 18:38.21 | keith4_ | anon_2: so your real question is "how do I configure my wireless interface?" |
| 18:38.37 | anon_2 | keith4_: i guess thats the point |
| 18:39.17 | Nebukadneza | thanks, babilen |
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| 18:42.52 | Nebukadneza | a-haaaaaa |
| 18:43.07 | Nebukadneza | babilen: it seems like getting that rm /etc/ld.so.cache out of preinst really did the job |
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| 18:45.47 | anon_2 | keith4_: ok, found a page with help. where can i find wireless-tools package for wheezy? I have to offer it per usb stick |
| 18:46.29 | keith4_ | anon_2: packages.debian.org/wireless-tools ? |
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| 18:50.57 | dym | Hey everyone. Using LVS - do the clients necessarily have to be on the same subnet as the directory? |
| 18:51.10 | dym | or can they just be reachable by ip |
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| 18:51.27 | anon_2 | keith4_: ok, thanks. i can't find the usb stick under /media/usb. do i ave to mount it manually? where can i see, which device it is? |
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| 19:10.59 | ManoftheSea | Ugh, I have so many problems with empathy... |
| 19:11.06 | ManoftheSea | with Empathy, I mean |
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| 19:12.15 | teus | Empathy the program, or the feeling called empathy? |
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| 19:14.20 | Towzzer | when I'm feeling empathy for others I take crack |
| 19:14.26 | Towzzer | that allows me to continue stabbing |
| 19:14.46 | ManoftheSea | the program. |
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| 19:15.40 | ManoftheSea | Recently (last month or so), I've been unable to search for contacts from the gnome-shell overview. Additionally, I'm not sure how to initiate a chat from gnome-shell, and in the empathy window, I don't know how to tell it what account to chat from. |
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| 19:16.09 | ManoftheSea | perhaps it's Gnome-Shell that I have a problem with, I don't know. |
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| 19:18.06 | ManoftheSea | oh, I see. |
| 19:18.27 | ManoftheSea | It is gnome-shell. Feb 9th, "remove folks integration" |
| 19:20.02 | Towzzer | strange |
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| 19:30.23 | rhys_ | can anyone point me to the right direction of when certain /etc/fstab entries are mounted in the boot process? |
| 19:30.43 | rhys_ | I'm hitting a problem where my glusterfs mount is trying to mount before fuse is started. |
| 19:30.52 | greycat | rhys_: ls /etc/rcS.d |
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| 19:31.57 | rhys_ | greycat, and I should use insserv to modify that? |
| 19:32.18 | greycat | That would depend on what kind of modifications you're doing.... |
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| 19:37.37 | ManoftheSea | you might remove the glusterfs from fstab, and put it in rc.local |
| 19:38.07 | johndo | kdiff3 used to be able to handle file URLs like ssh://host/file |
| 19:38.12 | ManoftheSea | Or, with systemd, edit the unit to say After=fuse.service |
| 19:38.14 | Nebukadneza | babilen: finally fixed it, now trying to make a useful bugreport |
| 19:38.15 | johndo | now I get an error: klauncher said: Error loading 'ktelnetservice %u'. |
| 19:38.34 | johndo | is that broken or is a package missing? |
| 19:39.01 | johndo | kdelibs5-plugins is installed and has /usr/lib/kde4/libexec/ktelnetservice |
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| 19:43.59 | mallxs | almost there but now phpmyadmin is complaining about the suhosh setting ... where can i find/set them ? |
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| 19:44.50 | _Vi | At what point should I consider adding a new package to Debian? Should only already somewhat popular things be requested to be added? |
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| 19:45.59 | somiaj | _Vi: what do you mean add a new package? Are you a debian matainer or just have a suggestion? |
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| 19:47.08 | somiaj | _Vi: my experience is two things are needed. 1) people will use it 2) a matainer -- the second is usually the hard part (considering all the orphaned packages debian has already) |
| 19:47.10 | streulma | yes, got openvpn working on the nas :) |
| 19:47.19 | _Vi | somiaj, I just implemented a program and would find useful if I can install it with "apt-get install" in future. The project is new and haven't gained any significant attention. |
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| 19:47.41 | somiaj | _Vi: in that case you can create a custom package and install it with dpkg -i |
| 19:47.42 | _Vi | I don't know at what point should I think "Let's start adding this to Debian". |
| 19:47.50 | Nebukadneza | uhm |
| 19:47.58 | Nebukadneza | does reportbug work in some other way than email? |
| 19:48.04 | somiaj | _Vi: or you can create a custom repo, and apt-get install it form that |
| 19:48.13 | streulma | does someone know it's a good option to replace the hdd in the nas? with Western Digital 2000 GB WD20EZRX Caviar Green (6 Gbs, 64 MB cache) |
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| 19:48.37 | somiaj | _Vi: I would suggest reading the debian new matianers guide if you have not read it, and create a fairly debian sane package. #debian-mentors on irc.oftc.net can be of help too |
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| 19:49.06 | somiaj | Nebukadneza: no, but if you cannot send email on the machine, it will save the email in ~/tmp that you can then copy/paste into another email client |
| 19:49.11 | _Vi | somiaj, Should I just create a repo and that sit&wait for my programs to start (or not start) being popular enough? Or I am expected to make some non-technical move myself? |
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| 19:49.32 | somiaj | _Vi: and once you have a good package that is compiled against debian stable, you can decided if it is worth finding a mentor to sponser that package/software at a later date. |
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| 19:50.04 | somiaj | _Vi: getting the debian mentor to sponsor the package is a big key, I would worry about making a sane package that people can download and install first. |
| 19:50.29 | Nebukadneza | so X-Mailer: reportbug-<something> isn't needed? |
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| 19:52.34 | _Vi | somiaj, So, in any case it would be useful to set up a correct repository with my packages (source and binary) on my server, right? Is it enough or I need also to tell somebody and this repository? |
| 19:52.55 | Nebukadneza | okay, tried sending it with my normal mailer ... lets see whether it pops up in the bug-db |
| 19:52.56 | _Vi | s/and/about/ |
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| 19:53.25 | Cultist | If setting up a debian box for use as a media server (video and music streaming on a home network), what server package sets should be selected during initial installation? |
| 19:53.27 | somiaj | _Vi: well anyone who wants to use the package would have to know about your repo and software. So yes you should tell them about it. But usually third party repos are suggested against unless you can ensure yours plays nicely with debian stable |
| 19:53.28 | dmonjo | how can i install avconv? |
| 19:53.35 | dmonjo | it looks like ffmpeg is only avaialbe for debian 6 |
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| 19:54.03 | somiaj | _Vi: my suggestion (though i'm just a hobbiest) would be create a debian package and make them available via download. After that you can start looking for a debian mentor to sponser the package if you think it would be in debian. |
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| 19:54.35 | _Vi | somiaj, Are there any [official] guideline for ones that want their software to be included into Debian? |
| 19:54.39 | somiaj | Cultist: I personally just skip over tasksel (except for maybe the standard task) and just use apt-get/aptitude to install the actual servers I want. |
| 19:54.43 | pskosinski | dmonjo: iirc, apt-get install libav-tools |
| 19:54.52 | somiaj | _Vi: the debian new matianers guide |
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| 19:55.14 | somiaj | _Vi: that will describe how to create a debian package and all the policies involved. Beyond that as I said, #debian-mentors on irc.oftc.net is a useful place too. |
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| 19:58.18 | _Vi | somiaj, There are two aspects: technical (creating correct source and binary packages, repositories) and organizational. Let's suppose all technical aspects are solved: you have all necessary files, lintian does not complain etc. But you only have packages locally and nobody around knows about them. What should be done next? |
| 19:58.48 | somiaj | _Vi: I already told you what is next. You have to find a sponsor or mentor |
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| 19:59.16 | somiaj | basically you ahve to find a debian matainer for your package. And in some cases he may just be the offical name on it, and you do most the work |
| 19:59.25 | boulet101010 | Hi, i'm trying to list the installed packages by distribution (stable, testing, unstable). i read the dpkg-query manpage but can't find which field specify this. |
| 19:59.43 | _Vi | somiaj, OK. At what point should I consider looking for sponsors/mentors? Should the program be already popular? |
| 20:00.09 | Guest96280 | boulet101010: that information isn't known to the package manager |
| 20:00.24 | somiaj | _Vi: personal choice there. But yes people should be wanting to use the software. Debian already has way to many oprhaned packages. |
| 20:01.18 | _Vi | somiaj, Are mentors/sponsors typically overloaded with requests and would like to receive only _notable_ things or they are generally spare and waiting for messages? |
| 20:01.56 | somiaj | I would not know, again I have tried to direct you to a place to answer that question too |
| 20:02.03 | somiaj | #debian-mentors on irc.oftc.net |
| 20:02.20 | somiaj | My guess it would depend on the software. If you are creating software that is already duplicating something in debian, it may be very hard |
| 20:02.51 | somiaj | if you are creating software which has unique functionality and people would use it, maybe not so hard. The mentor/sponsor makes a call as if they think debian will benifit from the package I would imangine |
| 20:02.59 | somiaj | but not knowing any debian mantainers I'm not sure |
| 20:03.50 | _Vi | OK, thanks for the introduction. |
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| 20:21.20 | vv0rm | Hello, what's (one of) the best way to properly set up a full mail authentication system using sendmail so the legitimate I send to people is not considered as spam ? I already know about DKIM and SPF but I've never been able to set them properly in order to get a 100% success rate on main providers (google, microsoft...) |
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| 20:21.45 | vv0rm | legitimate mail* sorry |
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| 20:25.26 | jhutchins_wk | w00tc0d3: No such thing as 100% on the internet. |
| 20:25.56 | streulma | vv0rm: I have a working mailserver, with Postfix as well |
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| 20:26.41 | jhutchins_wk | w00tc0d3: I'm constantly having to chase down mail to a law firm I support because our mailserver (run by a colleague) bounces it. |
| 20:26.59 | w00tc0d3 | jhutchins_wk: wut |
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| 20:27.12 | vv0rm | streulma: do you know any good resource that could be helpful to achieve the same (or close to) configuration you have ? |
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| 20:27.21 | ilikepandas | does debian have help menus when navigating and opening applications i.e. like mac's menu bar having the help button on the top |
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| 20:27.28 | vv0rm | w00tc0d3 : he was answering to me I believe, forgive him |
| 20:27.33 | jhutchins_wk | w00tc0d3: If you have a reputable hosting company and reverse DNS that's about all you can do. Keep your server well secured so it doesn't send any spam and cross your fingers. |
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| 20:28.25 | streulma | vv0rm: why not set up with Postfix ? Sendmail is not a common mailserver... |
| 20:28.41 | jhutchins_wk | w00tc0d3: Bad tab complete, sorry. |
| 20:28.42 | vv0rm | I thought sendmail would be easier but I don't mind using postfix instead |
| 20:28.49 | mtn | ilikepandas: most programs have a help option in the menu |
| 20:28.58 | streulma | vv0rm: I will help you completely :) |
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| 20:29.10 | vv0rm | jhutchins_wk: got it, proper reverse dns, dkim, spf and keeping my server secure should do the trick right ? |
| 20:29.14 | streulma | vv0rm: it's easy to set up, with postfixadmin and all |
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| 20:29.53 | streulma | vv0rm: postfixadmin is a webbased control panel for adding mail accounts and aliasses |
| 20:30.12 | jhutchins_wk | vv0rm: Ah, a clever nick, eh? exim3 can be configured through dpkg-configure. Some find it and postfix easier to set up. Having done all three, I'd probably use sendmail because it's more mature, but I actually chose postfix because postgrey was easy to add. |
| 20:30.36 | jhutchins_wk | vv0rm: Yeah, that's about the best you can do. |
| 20:30.47 | w00tc0d3 | jhutchins_wk: np |
| 20:30.51 | peterrooney | exim 3? Even debian has moved to exim 4... |
| 20:31.02 | vv0rm | I'm very new to setting up that kind of configuration so I'll go with postfix I guess |
| 20:31.16 | jhutchins_wk | vv0rm: greylisting is a godsend when stopping spam. I only block a VERY limited blacklist and use the other blacklists to score spam. |
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| 20:31.28 | streulma | vv0rm: see other tab :) |
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| 20:32.02 | jhutchins_wk | vv0rm: spamassassin with beyseian training + greylisting is very good, or you can subscribe to postini. |
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| 20:32.35 | jhutchins_wk | vv0rm: It helps to read whatever you can get your hands on. I started with the sendmail book from O'Reilly. |
| 20:33.39 | vv0rm | jhutchins_wk: ok thanks for the input I'll investigate that later I guess, as long it's working with postfix as well |
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| 20:39.46 | LordShiva | What I should write in /$HOME/.vnc/xstartup ? |
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| 20:45.31 | zmode | LordShiva: exec startxfce4, probably |
| 20:46.12 | LordShiva | I tried it doesnt work dont know why |
| 20:46.18 | DexterF | zmode: want to upgrade RAM, would like to have the same type |
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| 20:48.42 | zmode | DexterF: try dmidecode -t memory or lshw |
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| 20:49.53 | johndo | DexterF: try lshw or hwinfo |
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| 20:58.44 | linuxthefish | what's a good GUI torrent client? |
| 20:58.56 | LordShiva | qbittorrent |
| 20:59.07 | linuxthefish | will it run on 128mb ram? |
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| 20:59.19 | LordShiva | transmission too |
| 20:59.20 | Kirito | Is it safe to mount /tmp as a ramdisk on a production web server? |
| 20:59.29 | LordShiva | it should run |
| 20:59.35 | linuxthefish | thanks |
| 20:59.37 | LordShiva | its written in C++ |
| 20:59.38 | zykotick9 | linuxthefish: why limit to gui? rtorrent is excellent (especially for low powered systems) |
| 20:59.52 | linuxthefish | whoops, i ment command line |
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| 21:00.21 | greycat | I use rtorernt, but you'll want one that has magnet link support. |
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| 21:02.44 | brontosaurusrex | rtorrent has magnet links afaik |
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| 21:03.02 | greycat | The version I'm running does. I don't know whether the version in stable does. |
| 21:03.02 | CissWit | rtorrent supports magnet: http://wiki.rtorrent.org/MagnetUri |
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| 21:03.31 | greycat | Magnet URIs are implemented in the stable version 0.8.9 |
| 21:03.41 | greycat | Debian Stable has 0.8.6. |
| 21:03.47 | brontosaurusrex | there is also transmission-cli i think |
| 21:03.52 | brontosaurusrex | some people say its good |
| 21:04.01 | greycat | So, you'll need a backported 0.8.9 to use them. |
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| 21:06.37 | jhutchin1_wk | Isn't bittorrent a cli client? |
| 21:07.04 | lasers | Hi. I'd like to make a simple script that can cycle a list of commands backward or forward accorind to parameter. What would be the best way to do this? Read a number from file? |
| 21:07.14 | lasers | according. |
| 21:07.28 | greycat | What does "cycle a list of commands" mean? |
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| 21:09.05 | lasers | greycat: switch case. With commands in each line. If my last script was executed and it ran 1), then "script --right" should run 2). |
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| 21:09.33 | greycat | ... I'm guessing "switch case" doesn't mean upper<->lower? |
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| 21:10.01 | greycat | And the rest is just mystifying. |
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| 21:10.24 | jhutchins_wk | Sounds like a job for an if or while loop. |
| 21:10.27 | lasers | No, bash switch case to test stuffs. I'm trying to see how I can do this. Maybe a switch case that checks file. |
| 21:10.36 | greycat | ... |
| 21:10.57 | greycat | If you are trying to run an ARBITRARY script in reverse, that isn't going to happne. |
| 21:11.04 | brontosaurusrex | lasers, #bash |
| 21:11.16 | lasers | brontosaurusrex: Oh... I thought I was in #bash |
| 21:11.23 | Nebukadneza | babilen, http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=702815 |
| 21:11.29 | greycat | If you are trying to run a KNOWN set of commands forward or in reverse, just put both sets (forward and reversed) in separate functions in your script and call the appropriate function. |
| 21:11.34 | lasers | greycat: I saw you and assume I'm in #bash. >_> |
| 21:12.07 | greycat | Your question would be just as baffling in #bash, unfortunately. You're not being very clear. |
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| 21:18.53 | rryoumaa | cycle what exactly? input? |
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| 21:23.48 | ghost75 | is there any tool where i can see which files are read/written ? |
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| 21:25.17 | greycat | strace may be helpful, depending on what you're doing |
| 21:25.18 | ghost75 | i want to see what is accessing disk |
| 21:25.39 | LtL | ghost75: lsof ? |
| 21:25.40 | ghost75 | aha iotop |
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| 21:28.22 | ghost75 | dirty_writeback_centisecs is default 30secs but i can see disk led is going like every 5 seconds |
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| 21:28.43 | ghost75 | there are only 200kb/s written to disk |
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| 21:30.14 | ghost75 | meminfo shows Dirty increasing to about 6mb |
| 21:30.28 | ghost75 | until it commits |
| 21:30.48 | ghost75 | why the disk is active every 5 secs ? |
| 21:30.53 | rryoumaa | sync |
| 21:31.07 | ghost75 | because of raid? |
| 21:31.12 | rryoumaa | fs |
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| 21:31.30 | ghost75 | can be increased? |
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| 21:33.31 | linuxthefish | rtorrent is crap, and it won't work with magnet links, and the newest version won't compile... |
| 21:33.32 | hogren | hello |
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| 21:36.50 | ghost75 | damn |
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| 21:43.46 | mallxs | babilen: got it all up and running, thx for the support; Much appreciated! |
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| 21:58.50 | hogren | hi |
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| 21:59.36 | Tumult | hi |
| 21:59.57 | zykotick9 | hogren: hi, if you have a debian question, you should just ask it. |
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| 22:00.51 | alexander_bit | Hey guys, congratulation for your contribution and help |
| 22:01.25 | alexander_bit | I have one question regarding windows in efi mode and dualbooting with debian |
| 22:02.12 | alexander_bit | I got a laptop, that has windows 7 pre-installed, how can i check if windows installation is in EFI mode? |
| 22:02.36 | alexander_bit | if it is in EFI mode, shouldn't there be an EFI partition? Or it is not necessary? |
| 22:03.05 | hogren | I have a problem with php date function. It's strange. In brief, Debian 6 + apache2 + php5 (installed via apt). I have a page with date("Y-m-d H:m:s"); function. This function does not return everytime the good time. at certain moment, it's like that the time is freezed. I have 22h03 showed since 22h03 for example. |
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| 22:05.32 | Tumult | Whats the laptop? |
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| 22:08.18 | hogren | for info, the secondes are not freezed |
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| 22:12.01 | hogren | ohhhh |
| 22:12.13 | hogren | few days for that !!!! |
| 22:12.43 | hogren | Solution : date("Y-m-d H:i:s"); and not date("Y-m-d H:m:s"); |
| 22:13.21 | hogren | m = month number, i = minute (00-59) |
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| 22:23.45 | _DomY-Dom | 22:23 < _DomY-Dom> Hello my roundcube used to be working fine until I tried to install #owncloud, it bugged and I got the error that suhosin.ini.encrypt (or something like that) was not working properly so I changed the value to "off" in /etc/php5/conf.d/suhosin.ini and now roundcube is fine but when I connect I don't see my mailbox anymore it just randomly goes "Error happened : Server error (OK)" in red at the b |
| 22:23.51 | _DomY-Dom | ottom of the page and there is nothing in /var/log/roundcube. I repeat it used to be working perfectly. I have debian 6 with exim4 and courier-iamp |
| 22:23.54 | _DomY-Dom | 22:23 < _DomY-Dom> imap * |
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| 22:26.16 | r3m | clear |
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| 22:26.41 | Tumult | ./clear :p |
| 22:26.51 | _DomY-Dom | r3m: ? |
| 22:27.03 | _DomY-Dom | Tumult: ? |
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| 22:27.40 | _DomY-Dom | #debian anyone have any idea ? |
| 22:27.59 | abrotman | _DomY-Dom: and which versoin of roundcube and which version of php5 ? |
| 22:28.02 | Tumult | I think r3m was trying to clear the IRC screen |
| 22:28.06 | ghost75 | i put fs.xfs.xfssyncd_centisecs = 12000 into sysctl.conf but it doesnt apply after reboot, why? |
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| 22:29.43 | _DomY-Dom | Hello my roundcube used to be working fine until I tried toinstall #owncloud, it bugged and I got the error that suhosin.ini.encrypt (or something like that) was not working properly so I changed the value to "off" in /etc/php5/conf.d/suhosin.ini and now roundcube is fine but when I connect I don't see my mailbox anymore it just randomly goes "Error happened : Server error (OK)" in red at the bottom of the page and there is n |
| 22:29.51 | _DomY-Dom | abrotman: sorry hadn't seen your message, sec |
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| 22:30.19 | Tumult | ghost64, sysctl -p? |
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| 22:34.31 | sparadokos | Hi, installing phpmyadmin and have created a root password but now it is asking for application password. What is this for? |
| 22:35.53 | Tumult | root password is an entirely different password |
| 22:36.15 | sparadokos | is the application for when a web page would connect to it? |
| 22:36.19 | sparadokos | first time with this |
| 22:36.47 | ghost75 | (23:30:21) Tumult: ghost64, sysctl -p? <- shouldnt it load it after reboot? |
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| 22:37.27 | Tumult | yea, you saved the conf before exiting, right? |
| 22:37.33 | ghost75 | sure |
| 22:37.47 | abrotman | looks at _DomY-Dom |
| 22:37.57 | sparadokos | I'm at the screen for entering the password for applications |
| 22:38.02 | _DomY-Dom | abrotman: yes sorry |
| 22:38.04 | _DomY-Dom | abrotman: back |
| 22:38.12 | _DomY-Dom | abrotman: how do I check my versions of roundcube & php5 ? |
| 22:38.16 | _DomY-Dom | I think I have 5.0.3.. |
| 22:38.18 | abrotman | _DomY-Dom: how did you install them ? |
| 22:38.24 | _DomY-Dom | just through the terminal |
| 22:38.29 | _DomY-Dom | abrotman: actually no sorry |
| 22:38.33 | abrotman | _DomY-Dom: dpkg -l roundcube |
| 22:38.35 | _DomY-Dom | well not exactly |
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| 22:39.15 | _DomY-Dom | abrotman: http://pastie.org/6455700 |
| 22:39.27 | _DomY-Dom | abrotman: "reinstall required ??" |
| 22:39.36 | abrotman | huh? |
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| 22:40.12 | abrotman | and php5 ? |
| 22:40.25 | _DomY-Dom | abrotman: no but even if I remove roundcube completely |
| 22:40.33 | _DomY-Dom | i installe dthe webpackage |
| 22:40.49 | _DomY-Dom | abrotman: essentially I installed php5 through the terminal but roundcube using the web package |
| 22:41.13 | abrotman | waits to be unconfused |
| 22:41.27 | Tumult | Did you use apt? |
| 22:41.41 | _DomY-Dom | abrotman: http://pastie.org/6455717 |
| 22:41.41 | sparadokos | Tumult: do I need to make a user for the applications or it automatically does? And I'm guessing this password has to be different then the root one? |
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| 22:42.36 | Tumult | phpmyadmin uses sql users not shell |
| 22:42.39 | abrotman | _DomY-Dom: have you tried reinstalling those packages? |
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| 22:42.55 | _DomY-Dom | abrotman: what do you mean ? |
| 22:43.25 | Tumult | When you setup MySQL it asked you for a SQL root password |
| 22:43.25 | sparadokos | Tumult: sorry.. I meen I don't have a screen for making a user or does it have an "applicaions" name already for users of applications? |
| 22:43.25 | _DomY-Dom | abrotman: I had never actually installed roundcube through the terminal, or if I had I had done so by mistake so I deleted it |
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| 22:44.24 | sparadokos | Tumult: yes, I used the same root password from MySQL for the root of phpmyadmin, just not sure about tis MySQL applicaion passowrd for phpmyadmin. |
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| 22:44.51 | _DomY-Dom | abrotman: ?? |
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| 22:45.23 | _DomY-Dom | abrotman: still there |
| 22:45.26 | _DomY-Dom | ? |
| 22:45.35 | Tumult | I'm not sure what you are confused on? If you log into phpmyadmin with root/rootpassword that's it? |
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| 22:46.39 | sparadokos | Tumult: I'm still at the install screen where after the root password was entered. The next screen is "MySQL application password for phpmyadmin" I'm not understanding is it the one used for applications I make in php to connect or is this just for phpmyadmin to talk to mysql? |
| 22:47.19 | _DomY-Dom | abrotman: Are you still there ? If you are, are you still willing to help me ? If not, please say so. |
| 22:47.20 | Tumult | Use the same root pass |
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| 22:48.21 | sparadokos | Tumult: ty, it is working :) |
| 22:48.34 | abrotman | _DomY-Dom: sorry, was on the phone .. |
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| 22:48.55 | abrotman | _DomY-Dom: is this production for lots of users? |
| 22:49.18 | _DomY-Dom | _DomY-Dom: yes, it used to be working perfectly fine before |
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| 22:49.53 | abrotman | _DomY-Dom: i can't comment on software installed outside of apt/dpkg |
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| 22:50.17 | Tumult | _DomY-Dom, you do know that roundcube has an apt package? |
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| 22:50.32 | Yakko | hey guys, I just added a new user to my server, but his PS1 on .bashrc just render $, how can I make it pretty like root?? |
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| 22:50.52 | abrotman | Yakko: man bash |
| 22:50.55 | Nrth | sparadokos, bit late to the party but this page would seem to agree - http://www.webrichsoftware.com/?p=16 |
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| 22:52.58 | sparadokos | Nrth: ty, looking |
| 22:53.05 | _DomY-Dom | Tumult: doesn't make a difference I had it installed as a web package and it was working fine |
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| 22:53.13 | Nrth | sparadokos, it's about mid way down. |
| 22:53.15 | _DomY-Dom | Tumult: I'd prefer to fix this one |
| 22:53.32 | Yakko | abrotman: please |
| 22:53.32 | r3m | clear |
| 22:53.54 | abrotman | Yakko: man bash |
| 22:55.28 | Tumult | Yakko, do you want like a MOTD upon login? |
| 22:56.50 | abrotman | Tumult: no |
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| 22:57.26 | twinkie_addict | hi |
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| 22:58.17 | _DomY-Dom | Hi again |
| 22:58.19 | _DomY-Dom | Tumult: & abrotman |
| 22:58.25 | _DomY-Dom | My problem lies in fact with the IMAP server |
| 22:58.26 | ev0lve | twinkie_addict: hello |
| 22:58.49 | abrotman | _DomY-Dom: how did you determine that? |
| 22:58.56 | _DomY-Dom | abrotman: found the logs/error |
| 22:59.07 | _DomY-Dom | abrotman: and then attempted to restart exim4 |
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| 22:59.55 | _DomY-Dom | abrotman: and got http://bpaste.net/raw/MMVnoY6JYXCZdBay3W5j/ |
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| 23:00.31 | Yakko | Tumult: like I can't access my history when I'm in ssh with this user |
| 23:00.46 | _DomY-Dom | abrotman: and I get this from /var/log/exim4/paniclog |
| 23:00.47 | _DomY-Dom | 2013-02-19 22:16:45 socket bind() to port 25 for address (any IPv6) failed: Address already in use: daemon abandoned |
| 23:00.57 | Yakko | Tumult: when I press the arrows it shows me numbers |
| 23:00.58 | abrotman | _DomY-Dom: okay, so see what's using port 25 |
| 23:01.15 | abrotman | Yakko: sounds like it's not using bash .. "echo $0" |
| 23:01.22 | _DomY-Dom | abrotman: how do I check what is using port 25 ? |
| 23:01.38 | Yakko | abrotman: -sh |
| 23:01.46 | abrotman | Yakko: ls -l /bin/sh |
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| 23:01.53 | abrotman | _DomY-Dom: fuser -n tcp 25 |
| 23:02.02 | Yakko | abrotman: lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 4 Aug 15 2012 /bin/sh -> dash |
| 23:02.16 | abrotman | Yakko: and if that user types "bash" .. what happens ? does it look like you expect? |
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| 23:02.29 | _DomY-Dom | abrotman: nothing |
| 23:02.33 | Yakko | abrotman: it does |
| 23:02.38 | abrotman | Yakko: good luck! |
| 23:02.45 | Yakko | abrotman: how do I make it always work? |
| 23:02.47 | abrotman | Yakko: you probably want to use chsh |
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| 23:03.01 | _DomY-Dom | abrotman: doesn't return anything |
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| 23:03.16 | _DomY-Dom | abrotman: actually no |
| 23:03.18 | abrotman | _DomY-Dom: remove that paniclog, try to start exim4 again |
| 23:03.22 | _DomY-Dom | abrotman: k |
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| 23:04.50 | Yakko | abrotman: it works, thanks <3<3<3 |
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| 23:05.13 | _DomY-Dom | abrotman: worked but same problem with roundcube and nothing is been added to the roundcube logs |
| 23:05.56 | abrotman | might ave to put it in debug mode |
| 23:06.21 | _DomY-Dom | abrotman: how do I do that ? |
| 23:06.39 | ploo | when doing update-initramfs how do I make sure it does md raid support |
| 23:06.40 | abrotman | look at the roundcube config |
| 23:06.43 | _DomY-Dom | abrotman: it still says "an error happened, server error" |
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| 23:08.47 | _DomY-Dom | abrotman: http://cl.ly/image/2D1q0A2p0z3A |
| 23:08.53 | _DomY-Dom | abrotman: that ? |
| 23:09.53 | abrotman | and what does it tell you? |
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| 23:10.42 | _DomY-Dom | abrotman: what ? |
| 23:11.13 | abrotman | read the document, what does it tell you about logging |
| 23:14.03 | _DomY-Dom | abrotman: k |
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| 23:14.39 | _DomY-Dom | abrotman: do i set imap debug to true ? |
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| 23:15.27 | abrotman | i thought you were setting the roundcube logging to debug? |
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| 23:18.29 | ksx4system | is there any WYSIWYG style HTML editor in Debian wheezy repos? there's no Amaya or Kompozer afaics :( |
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| 23:19.00 | abrotman | ksx4system: mozilla composer in iceape |
| 23:19.34 | ksx4system | abrotman: if it has something to do with crapilla then I hate it |
| 23:20.25 | Tumult | That's kind of a strong statement |
| 23:20.40 | abrotman | ksx4system: okay, then you can use gvim? |
| 23:20.53 | Nrth | Or Bluefish ? |
| 23:21.08 | abrotman | not WYSISIEGIGWGI |
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| 23:21.42 | ksx4system | whatever, I'll just use Serif on winshit... I just tried to avoid that |
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| 23:22.06 | abrotman | or you could use mozilla composer in iceape |
| 23:22.38 | abrotman | let's see .. booting windows or VM to use some software, or using mozilla stuffs ... hrm |
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| 23:24.14 | ksx4system | abrotman: I just don't want mozilla shit on my box |
| 23:24.29 | Tumult | Don't majority of webhosts now offer webbased WYSIWYG? |
| 23:24.40 | abrotman | ksx4system: yeah, windows is better. |
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| 23:25.21 | ksx4system | Tumult: maybe, I don't care since majority of my stuff is hosted on self managed VPSes without those fancy cPanel/Direct Admin bloatwares |
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| 23:25.30 | ksx4system | abrotman: compared to mozilla? yes it is |
| 23:25.39 | abrotman | up to you .. seems silly to me |
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| 23:27.18 | Tumult | So go all out and use nano or vim, no need for any more bloatware |
| 23:27.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | like... emacs? |
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| 23:27.55 | Nrth | Or Bluefish. :) |
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| 23:28.32 | Tumult | Yea, didn't see those get suggested till just now :x |
| 23:29.28 | nezZario | so, is wheezy stable yet? i'm confused |
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| 23:29.51 | ksx4system | Tumult: I just tried to install Kompozer from squeeze debs, works like a charm |
| 23:30.09 | ksx4system | nezZario: no it's not |
| 23:30.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | nezZario, no, but rc-bugs are quite down, so can't be too long until it is released as stable |
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| 23:31.32 | nezZario | ok, and if I specify 'wheezy' and not 'testing' in apt/sources.list, .. I'll be updated to stable as it happens, not continue on a testing/unstable path ? |
| 23:31.42 | rww | correct |
| 23:32.09 | nezZario | ok, any idea what this is, while I'm asking stufF? E: Release file for http://debian.uchicago.edu/debian/dists/wheezy/InRelease is expired (invalid since 4d 3h 13min 20s). Updates for this repository will not be applied. |
| 23:32.18 | nezZario | bad mirror or what? |
| 23:33.01 | rww | Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2013 20:18:28 UTC |
| 23:33.07 | rww | so yes, it's rather out of date |
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| 23:33.54 | ev0lve | nezZario: Official Debian mirrors http://www.debian.org/mirror/list |
| 23:34.33 | themill | nezZario: that mirror is out of date and has that problem quite frequently. Try http.debian.net instead |
| 23:34.37 | themill | dpkg: tell nezZario about http.debian.net |
| 23:37.22 | nezZario | awesome, appreciated, I thought I broke something :) |
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| 23:37.54 | nezZario | the only stuff in need in sources.list are 'deb <> wheezy main', 'deb <> wheezy/updates main' right ? |
| 23:38.03 | nezZario | and corresponding deb-src |
| 23:39.07 | daemonkeeper | dpkg: squeeze->wheezy |
| 23:39.08 | dpkg | First, understand that testing is a pre-release distribution without timely security support and that you may have a slightly bumpy ride; ask me about <moving target> <testing> <testing security>. From /etc/apt/sources.list, remove stable-specific lines like squeeze-updates and backports, and change squeeze to wheezy. apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade. If you feel you need more instructions, perhaps you should wait a while. |
| 23:39.35 | nezZario | i've been running wheezy for about a year |
| 23:39.47 | nezZario | just want to make sure i still have everything in order as that sorta jarred me |
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| 23:40.04 | nezZario | p.s. never had any issues (yet) with so-called pre-release software |
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| 23:42.22 | somiaj | nezZario: that should be enough. There are security sorces for wheezy setup, but they are not being used yet. And wheezy/updates is optional. Also there are the contrib and non-free repos |
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| 23:42.53 | nezZario | appreciate the additional info |
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| 23:45.33 | nezZario | while i'm on a roll, how can I see what debian supplied kernel i'm suppose to be running? |
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| 23:46.00 | nezZario | i am running these on top of xen (without pygrub) so when the kernel is updated via apt it isn't actually booting with that kernel |
| 23:46.38 | nezZario | looks like xen is booting 2.6.32-5 |
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| 23:48.29 | nezZario | well /boot has the most recent as 3.2.0-4 |
| 23:48.35 | nezZario | so i guess i'll switch em out |
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| 23:54.51 | [sr] | howdy |
| 23:55.20 | [sr] | where could i find some old packages? i'm on the FTP and they aren't there, i'm looking for php5-xsl-5.3.10-1.deb |
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| 23:55.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | dpkg snapshot |
| 23:55.55 | dpkg | http://snapshot.debian.org/ is an archive of almost all Debian packages uploaded since 2005, including those removed from the official archives because they were very buggy, unusable, broken, vulnerable or in some way non-free. This service replaces snapshot.debian.net. http://www.debian.org/News/2010/20100412 |
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| 23:58.39 | [sr] | CutMeOwnThroat: thanks! |
| 23:58.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | yw :) |
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| 23:59.38 | themill | wonders why you'd want an old php with known security vulnerabilities |
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