| 00:00.13 | dvs | rommel092079: it defaults to GNOME |
| 00:00.28 | rommel092079 | dvs: what do you mean defaults to GNOME |
| 00:00.48 | jpinx | rommel092079: no - it is a very small .iso that will use your internet connection to install the system |
| 00:00.58 | petn-randall | rommel092079: Debian comes with gnome, kde, xfce, lxde and others. Gnome is the default. |
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| 00:01.20 | jpinx | rommel092079: I use a crappy gprs and it installs ok - just slow |
| 00:01.27 | dvs | rommel092079: There is a dialog box near the end of the install. It just says "desktop environment" which defaults to GNOME |
| 00:01.29 | rommel092079 | jpinx: no I cant use internet connection for the installation because, it is too slow here in our country. |
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| 00:01.37 | holycow | hi guys |
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| 00:01.57 | jpinx | rommel092079: I use a gprs connection running at 64kbps |
| 00:01.58 | petn-randall | rommel092079: it's still faster than downloading the DVD1 ... |
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| 00:02.11 | jpinx | rommel092079: what speed is your connection ? |
| 00:02.15 | rommel092079 | please advice me instead what iso to download. |
| 00:02.38 | kalujny | Rommel what do you need? |
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| 00:02.48 | kalujny | in your installation |
| 00:03.12 | rommel092079 | kalujny: i need to know what iso to download from this list http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.7/i386/iso-dvd/ |
| 00:03.34 | rommel092079 | because I cannot burn wheezy because I am getting CRC error |
| 00:03.40 | dvs | rommel092079: I'd get the netinstall if you have a wired connection |
| 00:04.00 | jpinx | rommel092079: why are you attempting to install wheezy and not stable ? |
| 00:04.16 | petn-randall | rommel092079: then your burner is broken. |
| 00:04.25 | jpinx | dvs: wired, wifi, gprs are all ok for netinstrall |
| 00:04.28 | rommel092079 | jpinx: somebody advised me to use wheezy from here |
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| 00:04.43 | jpinx | rommel092079: install stable first |
| 00:04.47 | rommel092079 | petn-randall: i dont think it is broken |
| 00:04.50 | kalujny | crc error means your download is corrupted |
| 00:05.04 | jpinx | rommel092079: you need to start from the beginning ;) |
| 00:05.06 | rommel092079 | jpinx: so what iso to download which is stable if I may ask |
| 00:05.17 | petn-randall | rommel092079: you did check the md5sum after downloading? |
| 00:05.22 | dvs | jpinx: try telling a newbie to install using wifi and getting the firmware packages. |
| 00:05.23 | kalujny | i was asking what do you want from your installation? do you need desktop environment? |
| 00:05.23 | jpinx | rommel092079: read te instructions about netinstall |
| 00:05.39 | Orestes | somiaj I just whant t |
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| 00:05.41 | rommel092079 | kalujny: yes desktop |
| 00:05.52 | jpinx | dvs: point taken - it depends on the hardware |
| 00:05.54 | kalujny | good move would be to download netinstall |
| 00:05.58 | kalujny | setup base system |
| 00:06.05 | Orestes | ho sorry for that |
| 00:06.08 | kalujny | then get whatever lightweight DE you want |
| 00:06.22 | petn-randall | kalujny: CRC is from the burning process |
| 00:06.47 | zinx | huh? |
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| 00:07.15 | zinx | rommel092079: what is the error message, and which application did it come from? |
| 00:07.17 | Orestes | ftp.us.debian.org its a fast for netinstall ? |
| 00:07.24 | jpinx | rommel092079: if your burner is b0rked you can install from a usb stick |
| 00:07.41 | jpinx | Orestes: depends on where you are in the world |
| 00:08.18 | zinx | CDs use "EDC" / "ECC" depending on the mode used to burn, so if it's really from the burning process, it means your cable is bad (IDE / SATA use CRC) |
| 00:08.48 | Orestes | ok |
| 00:08.56 | dvs | Orestes: http.debian.net is always fast. ;-) |
| 00:09.16 | rommel092079 | zinx: crc error when the verifying burn data started |
| 00:09.28 | zinx | rommel092079: hmm, application thing then, i guess |
| 00:10.10 | zinx | rommel092079: eject the CD and try to verify it after reinserting it |
| 00:10.20 | Orestes | let me test it dvs |
| 00:10.35 | zinx | rommel092079: some CD drives do not reload the information until you eject it and reinsert it, which could be causing a verify to fail if the program didn't eject it |
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| 00:13.44 | kalujny | installing from stick is a good idea too |
| 00:13.52 | kalujny | remember to use usb 2.0 port :) |
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| 00:14.02 | zinx | doesn't really matter what media you install from if it's reliable :/ |
| 00:15.17 | jpinx | !usb install |
| 00:15.17 | dpkg | You can install Debian from a USB stick/thumbdrive/pen drive/key on x86 systems, as long as your system's BIOS can boot from USB. Details are in the Installation Guide, see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch04s03 and ask me about <install debian> for hybrid CD/DVD images. Use http://sf.net/projects/win32diskimager/ to write images from Windows. BIOS can't boot from USB? Ask me about <plop>. |
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| 00:17.48 | holycow | does anyone know what components i need so that debian can automount usb device? |
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| 00:18.30 | kalujny | !usb automount |
| 00:18.30 | jpinx | holycow: probably depends on the device |
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| 00:18.58 | holycow | hmmm |
| 00:19.12 | LtL | holycow: try the usbmount package |
| 00:19.28 | holycow | oh, that looks about right |
| 00:19.33 | jpinx | !automount |
| 00:19.34 | dpkg | If you're running one of the desktop environments in Debian, then ask me about <gnome-volume-manager>, <kde automount>, or <thunar-volman>. If you want something for the command line, then ask me about <usb mount>, <pmount>, <ivman> or <halevt>. For a completely different approach to automounting, ask me about <autofs>. |
| 00:19.41 | jpinx | holycow: ^^ |
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| 00:19.56 | holycow | awesome thank you for all the info |
| 00:20.05 | holycow | i have been researching this for a while |
| 00:20.12 | holycow | jpinx: i don't use any desktop envrionments at all |
| 00:20.22 | holycow | just slim session manager and stumpwm window manager |
| 00:20.41 | holycow | so i don't have all the automagic installed and am wondering how much of it can just be 'installed' |
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| 00:21.01 | holycow | those are great links btw, thanks |
| 00:21.16 | rww | The second sentence of that factoid is probably the bit to focus on, then. |
| 00:21.20 | jpinx | holycow: what devices ? |
| 00:21.38 | holycow | primarily was just interested in seeing usb memory sticks autmounted |
| 00:22.15 | jpinx | holycow: usb sticks automount by default in my slim system |
| 00:22.41 | jpinx | !usb mount |
| 00:22.42 | dpkg | usbmount is a script to automatically mount/umount USB drives as they are inserted/removed: http://lists.debian.org/debian-mentors/2004/10/msg00308.html ; aptitude install usbmount; does not support <vfat> filesystems by default. Read /usr/share/doc/usbmount/README for the reason and amend /etc/usbmount/usbmount.conf to enable. See also <pmount>. |
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| 00:22.50 | holycow | what de are you using? |
| 00:22.57 | jpinx | holycow: none |
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| 00:23.02 | holycow | oh really |
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| 00:23.07 | holycow | just a window manager? |
| 00:23.13 | holycow | i thought i was the only one |
| 00:23.15 | jpinx | holycow: openbox |
| 00:23.19 | holycow | nice |
| 00:23.27 | holycow | high fives jpinx |
| 00:23.59 | jpinx | holycow: I only use X for a browser in that machine |
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| 00:25.50 | jpinx | holycow: the only package I know of that you might need is usbmount |
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| 00:28.23 | Somelauw | Does anyone here now why urxvt won't underline url's. Maybe something specific about the debian version of this program. |
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| 00:30.29 | jpinx | !urxvt |
| 00:30.29 | dpkg | rxvt-unicode (aka urxvt) is an <rxvt>-like terminal emulator with Unicode support. FAQ: http://cvs.schmorp.de/rxvt-unicode/doc/rxvt.7.html #rxvt-unicode on irc.freenode.net. |
| 00:30.38 | jpinx | Somelauw: ^^ |
| 00:31.07 | jpinx | you might find some help in the docs ;) |
| 00:31.21 | Somelauw | I asked on rxvt-unicode, but they don't know, because for them it works. |
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| 00:33.42 | sencha | ParkerR, hey, I figured out a solution to my USB 3.0 controller issue. Apparently the new memory I bought for the machine wasn't set up correctly. I had to disable "memory hole remapping" in the BIOS and then everything worked :) |
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| 00:34.59 | jpinx | Somelauw: did you search the faq's |
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| 00:37.08 | Somelauw | jpinx: I figured out that I have the module url-select not installed. Do I need to download this module manually or can debian's package manager help somehow? |
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| 00:38.15 | jpinx | Somelauw: how did you install it originally - using apt or what ? |
| 00:41.07 | Somelauw | urxvt has been installed by apt-get, but I want urxvtc-perls and there is no debian package for that as far as i know |
| 00:41.15 | Somelauw | https://github.com/muennich/urxvt-perls |
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| 00:49.27 | jpinx | Somelauw: looks like a bunch of scripts you just make available - nothing to install |
| 00:50.26 | seafax | how much space does the bootloader take? |
| 00:50.56 | bga_ | root@localhost:~# modprobe dm_mod |
| 00:50.56 | bga_ | FATAL: Error inserting dm_mod (/lib/modules/2.6.32-5-686-bigmem/kernel/drivers/md/dm-mod.ko): Invalid module format |
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| 00:51.26 | bga_ | can anyone say me md5sum of that file? |
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| 01:02.28 | bga_ | forget |
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| 01:02.39 | dvs | you |
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| 01:04.29 | Tagor | I have a problem with a Debian server which freezes after some hours/days. In a graph of the buffers memory I noticed it has an ascending line. Is this normal? Or is this indicating a problem with the memory? |
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| 01:11.06 | Pinchiukas | Are there any serious issues with Debian 7? I'd like to install it as stable on a machine I have. I think i'll use the RC1, or should I wait for it to get final? |
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| 01:11.54 | dvs | Pinchiukas: it depends what the machine will be doing. |
| 01:14.34 | Jmaster | what I do in ubuntu? |
| 01:14.49 | rww | Pinchiukas: "serious issues" is subjective: if it were perfect, it'd be released. I haven't noticed any, personally, but ymmv. |
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| 01:19.09 | Alistair | ^ÂÊÎÔÛâêîôûĈĉĜĝĤĥĴĵŜŝŴŵŶŷˆ̭̂᷍ḒḓḘḙḼḽṊṋṰṱṶṷẐẑẤấẦầẨẩẪẫẬậẾếỀềỂểỄễỆệỐốỒồỔổỖỗỘộ⨣⨶⩯ꞈ＾ |
| 01:19.13 | chucktesta` | ^ÂÊÎÔÛâêîôûĈĉĜĝĤĥĴĵŜŝŴŵŶŷˆ̭̂᷍ḒḓḘḙḼḽṊṋṰṱṶṷẐẑẤấẦầẨẩẪẫẬậẾếỀềỂểỄễỆệỐốỒồỔổỖỗỘộ⨣⨶⩯ꞈ＾ |
| 01:19.23 | bake | lol |
| 01:19.46 | rww | I don't remember the last time I saw anyone actually get affected by that silliness. You'd think they wouldn't bother. |
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| 01:20.35 | bga_ | that was 11. Rotting Christ - [Aealo #01] Aealo |
| 01:20.36 | Pinchiukas | By what? |
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| 01:26.22 | bga_ | btw. any ram usage overhead due using bigmem kernel? |
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| 01:29.01 | dvs | bga_: Not that I remember. Just can't use more then 4GB of memory. |
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| 01:30.14 | Lars_G | I have a multiarch now. |
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| 01:30.50 | Lars_G | I started with i386, now I am using a 64 bit kernel, and I have amd64 versions of a few libraries, and I am trying/will try to change a few programs to amd64 side, right now my headache is python. |
| 01:31.07 | ldnblk | Is there a website that anyone can point me to that will take me through setting up the 3d desktop using compiz ? |
| 01:31.42 | Lars_G | first, there are packages for programs that say they're not disponible for amd64, like python-pytools, which is very odd because I would guess people in amd64 want to use it... and it's a common package not to be available. is this because I'm multiarch instead of rooted at amd64? why would that affect? |
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| 01:31.54 | rryoumaa | disponible? |
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| 01:33.06 | Lars_G | available. |
| 01:33.17 | Lars_G | sorry that was a transliteration from spanish attempt |
| 01:33.59 | Lars_G | It says package python-pytools:amd64 doesn't has a candidate available for installation o.O |
| 01:34.08 | Lars_G | Maybe I should try from aptitude and check sources, etc |
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| 01:36.23 | rww | ldnblk: Compiz isn't in wheezy, and in general is quickly losing popularity and support among distros. I wouldn't bother, if I were you. |
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| 01:37.05 | rww | I never could get the dang thing to work right, so I can't actually be helpful, but you should probably be aware of the above anyway. |
| 01:38.48 | ldnblk | :rww I got it working on suse and I liked it. And I want to get it working on debian. |
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| 01:39.18 | Lars_G | huh---- wait......... |
| 01:39.38 | Lars_G | python-pytools is :all (no arch) |
| 01:40.06 | rww | makes sense, since python code isn't compiled ;) |
| 01:40.11 | Lars_G | then why the HELL does python-pyopencl:amd64 require python-pytools:amd64 ? |
| 01:40.15 | Lars_G | this is a bug....... |
| 01:40.17 | Lars_G | with the package |
| 01:40.18 | Lars_G | sigh |
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| 01:41.27 | ldnblk | Is there anyone on channel that is using compiz with debian squeeze ? |
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| 01:43.20 | Lars_G | I could do a dpkg -r --force-depends python2.7 for then installing python2.7:amd64 right? |
| 01:44.48 | Lars_G | wtf |
| 01:45.02 | Lars_G | python2.7:amd64 requires mime-support:amd64 wtf is going on here? |
| 01:45.18 | Lars_G | Why are packages suddenly requiring arch specific versions of no-arch packages? |
| 01:47.21 | Lars_G | Any ideas? anyone? please :D |
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| 01:55.34 | Lars_G | I dont want to reinstall everything |
| 01:55.37 | Lars_G | weeps |
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| 01:56.27 | rww | not to be snarky, but it'll probably end up taking less time and being less horrendously unsupported in the long run |
| 01:57.33 | Lars_G | rww: Yes, but if this is the hell, I worry horribly about 32 bit onyl programs once I move native amd64 |
| 01:57.52 | Lars_G | !reinstall |
| 01:57.52 | dpkg | it has been said that reinstall is aptitude reinstall '~i' ; or COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l | awk '/^[hi]i/{print $2}' | xargs apt-get -y --reinstall install, or dpkg --get-selections > my_packages.txt , then later, dpkg --set-selections < my_packages.txt && apt-get install . See also <aptitude clone>, <debian clone>. |
| 01:58.15 | rww | well, that's what multiarch is actually supposed to be used for. and generally open source code has native 64-bit versions |
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| 01:59.24 | Lars_G | rww: Well yeah, but why would reinstalling one app on multiarch of amd64 in a i386 system break like hell, and make me expect it'd work wonders in the reverse direction? |
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| 02:00.33 | rww | because one of those things is using multiarch as intended, and the other one is ignoring happy fun messages about switching arches requiring a reinstall? |
| 02:01.37 | Lars_G | rww: Ok, here is the thing, I am having basic troubles using a multiarch system. these troubles will be experienced wathever my main and foreign arch are.... |
| 02:02.09 | rww | okay, or you can disagree with me and continue trying to do it. that works too :) |
| 02:02.16 | Lars_G | rww: In this case, python is a bad example maybe... but still... why would such a large program like python, in it's amd64 version, require the "amd64 version" of a no-arch package? this is wrong. |
| 02:03.08 | Lars_G | rww: If I was on amd64 native and i386 foreing, you say python2.7:i386 wouldn't try to requite mime-support:i386 ? so this error ocurrs only when you have a base arch of i386 and a foreign arch of amd64? |
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| 02:09.48 | Lars_G | rww: ?? |
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| 02:12.24 | IDWMaster | Which channel is appropriate for talking to Debian developers regarding sponsorship? |
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| 02:14.05 | Lars_G | rww: Excuse me, are you still around? |
| 02:14.48 | rww | Yep. I don't think "disagree with me and continue trying to do it" really requires my input, though :) |
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| 02:16.12 | Lars_G | rww: It's not a disagreement issue, I want to know why you say the bug I'm experiencing in one direction will not be experienced in the other. |
| 02:17.02 | Lars_G | rww: A program in the foreign arch requires an arch specific version of a no-arch package, you seem to tell me that wont happen if my base arch is adm64, I want to know why it happens in one arch but not another. |
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| 02:18.43 | IDWMaster | Where can I find sponsors? |
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| 02:20.13 | Lars_G | rww: Excuse me sir, are you ignoring my question? |
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| 02:20.49 | rww | IDWMaster: the debian-mentors mailing list. I think #debian-mentors on OFTC might be useful also. |
| 02:21.13 | cammoblammo | I don't seem to be able to log on to any web services from any browser. Investigating with open-ssl tells me 'Verify return code: 20 (unable to get local issuer certificate)' |
| 02:21.32 | cammoblammo | I'm at a loss as to where I go now. Any ideas? |
| 02:21.46 | Lars_G | Ok, can a non-troll please tell me how often I will find this bug? If multiarch is limited, I would preffer to be in i386 as my main arch rather than amd64. |
| 02:21.56 | jbroome | IDWMaster: package sponsors? http://lists.debian.org/package-sponsorship-requests/ |
| 02:22.04 | rww | cammoblammo: Do you have the ca-certificates package installed? |
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| 02:22.25 | cammoblammo | rww: Yes. |
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| 02:25.19 | rww | cammoblammo: run c_rehash as root, see if that helps |
| 02:26.17 | cammoblammo | rww: Will do... |
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| 02:33.07 | cammoblammo | rww: Unfortunately, no difference. I've closed my browser and reopened with no change in behaviour. |
| 02:33.21 | rww | mrm. no idea then :\ |
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| 02:57.56 | samantha-e-r | am interested in migrating from qmail to something more modern. however, i have hundreds of qmail's "extension addresses" in existance -- in the format username-arbitrarystring@domain.com ... google supports this functionality with the + character, not the dash. is there a howto somewhere on using, say, postfix, but preserving this functionality? |
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| 03:00.43 | cheasee | samantha-e-r: use sed to replace the dash with the plus ? |
| 03:00.49 | cheasee | or awk |
| 03:00.56 | samantha-e-r | during delivery? |
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| 03:01.47 | samantha-e-r | my problem is that i have a very old (1996ish) domain and i get approximately a million spams a month, that i brute force clean before shipping to google. opening google's catch-all doesn't work. |
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| 03:02.49 | rww | I haven't tried it, but postfix's recipient_delimiter variable looks relevant. |
| 03:03.04 | samantha-e-r | rww ty, will research |
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| 03:03.16 | cheasee | i was just looking for that varname too :) |
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| 03:03.59 | samantha-e-r | chaching, that looks to be about it |
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| 03:15.15 | shawnbon206 | hey, hey! |
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| 03:16.48 | grothendieck | I keep getting this error when trying to upgrade kernel: "E: /var/cache/apt/archives/linux-image-2.6.32-5-amd64_2.6.32-48squeeze1_amd64.deb: failed in write on buffer copy for backend dpkg-deb during `./lib/modules/2.6.32-5-amd64/kernel/fs/nfsd/nfsd.ko' |
| 03:17.51 | grothendieck | here is my df -h |
| 03:17.52 | grothendieck | http://pastebin.com/mgdjNXY1 |
| 03:18.54 | grothendieck | does the kernel update try to unpack something to / ? |
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| 03:19.07 | grothendieck | something larger than 56M? |
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| 03:19.43 | grothendieck | what can I do other than resize my / LVM volume? |
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| 03:22.35 | roboman2444 | so, i have been having a lot of trouble installing debian to a usb flash drive |
| 03:22.41 | roboman2444 | no, not a LIVE usb |
| 03:22.55 | roboman2444 | i want it to behave like a normal hard drive... but grub for some reason never works correctly |
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| 03:32.42 | ivotkl | Helo everyone. I've just upgraded to backports and my netbook's hardware cannot handle GNOME3 visuals. How do I go back to GNOME 2 or install xfce? (tried xfce* but there were too many packages...). |
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| 03:49.30 | ivotkl | Helo everyone. I've just upgraded to backports and my netbook's hardware cannot handle GNOME3 visuals. How do I go back to GNOME 2 or install xfce? (tried xfce* but there were too many packages...). |
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| 03:50.27 | petn-randall | ivotkl: try installing task-xfce-desktop |
| 03:51.05 | seafax | how much space is needed to make a partition for grub? |
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| 03:51.40 | petn-randall | seafax: do you mean /boot ? |
| 03:51.51 | seafax | yeah |
| 03:52.17 | petn-randall | seafax: grub doesn't need its own partition. |
| 03:52.40 | petn-randall | seafax: the size of /boot depends on how much kernels you want to have installed. |
| 03:53.14 | seafax | i just want to be able to choose between win7 and debian |
| 03:53.19 | seafax | at startup |
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| 03:53.39 | petn-randall | seafax: then say so. You don't need a separate partition at all for that. |
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| 03:56.23 | roboman2444 | so, i have been having a lot of trouble installing debian to a usb flash drive, no not a live usv |
| 03:56.25 | roboman2444 | i want it to behave like a normal hard drive... but grub for some reason never works correctly |
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| 03:57.01 | roboman2444 | i have tried partitioning it with the first few sectors free even |
| 03:57.42 | petn-randall | roboman2444: what was the error message? |
| 03:58.16 | roboman2444 | i dont quite remember, it was a while ago |
| 03:58.24 | roboman2444 | but is there a way i can use syslinux or something else? |
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| 04:00.05 | petn-randall | roboman2444: without knowing the error it's futile to speculate ... your BIOS might just be unable to boot from USB HDD. |
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| 04:06.40 | roboman2444 | petn-randall, well it goes "grub loading" and then fails somehow |
| 04:06.56 | roboman2444 | tried on multiple usb sticks, multiple different filesystem types |
| 04:07.08 | roboman2444 | even tried lilo, but i dont think i got far with it |
| 04:07.47 | petn-randall | roboman2444: ok, so you installed installed debian onto a usb flash drive, and that went fine? Did grub install without error? |
| 04:08.11 | roboman2444 | no errors on the grub installs |
| 04:08.15 | roboman2444 | grub just fails to load |
| 04:08.41 | petn-randall | roboman2444: if you have virtualbox you can let a VM boot from it. |
| 04:09.01 | petn-randall | roboman2444: just to make sure the stick is fine. |
| 04:09.27 | petn-randall | roboman2444: When you boot from the stick, you have to make sure you "booting from USB HDD". |
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| 04:09.56 | petn-randall | roboman2444: the other, non-working options would be USB FDD and USB CD. |
| 04:10.01 | roboman2444 | petn-randall, if it wasnt booting from the usb stick, then why would it try to load grub from it? |
| 04:10.10 | roboman2444 | oh |
| 04:10.16 | roboman2444 | bios options you mean |
| 04:10.20 | petn-randall | roboman2444: yepp |
| 04:10.30 | roboman2444 | well ill try again later |
| 04:10.45 | roboman2444 | if i still cant get it, i will probably need help getting extlinux or syslinux on there |
| 04:11.19 | petn-randall | roboman2444: I highly suspect your bios, and syslinux won't make a difference there. |
| 04:13.33 | ivotkl | Thank you petn-randall. |
| 04:14.05 | petn-randall | ivotkl: you're welcome, anytime again :) |
| 04:15.09 | ivotkl | petn-randall: And then should I uninstall GNOME3? If so, how? "sudo apt-get remove gnome"? |
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| 04:15.50 | somiaj | ivotkl: aptitude may work slightly better there becaues it will autormove any packages |
| 04:16.00 | petn-randall | ivotkl: yes, that should do it. Just make sure you not logged in to a gnome session when doing it :) |
| 04:16.01 | somiaj | ivotkl: removing just the gnome meta package won't actually remove much. |
| 04:16.18 | somiaj | you can also run apt-get autoremove after that |
| 04:16.31 | petn-randall | ivotkl: what somiaj said. |
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| 04:28.22 | ivotkl | petn-randall, somiaj: So should I uninstall GNOME3 or can I choose at system start-up? |
| 04:31.50 | petn-randall | ivotkl: you can choose that while logging in. |
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| 04:48.47 | tozzifan | hi |
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| 04:52.53 | tozzifan | i've found that i'm using the key 6294BE9B from the iso-checking, the fact is that i've found here http://www.debian.org/CD/verify that the newest is 6CA7B5A6 and i've found that in an old backup i was using that other key for the check. Is it normal with that newer isos an older key has been used ? (2011-01-05 key instead of the newer one of the 2011-03-09 ) |
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| 04:55.11 | tozzifan | also, another question about the keys of this page: http://www.debian.org/CD/verify , are there all valid also if they're old? i've found that a in a very old my backup (2009) i was using signatures coming from a *1999* key (88C7C1F7) Is this safe ? |
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| 04:55.26 | JNSamuel | which iso ver? |
| 04:55.35 | tozzifan | *are those |
| 04:55.56 | tozzifan | JNSamuel: wait.. |
| 04:56.08 | JNSamuel | a release from 1999 ? |
| 04:56.23 | JNSamuel | you should probably upgrade |
| 04:56.40 | tozzifan | 6294BE9B was for a recent "business card multiarch" |
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| 04:57.59 | tozzifan | and 6CA7B5A6 for debian-live-6.0.3-amd64 |
| 04:58.41 | tozzifan | 6294BE9B was for debian-6.0.5-amd64-businesscard.iso |
| 04:58.56 | aQute | HI guies I want a debian based distro with python27 by default which works fine(no freezing) on my low spec laptop and I can choose what I want to install? |
| 04:59.41 | rommel092079 | good day guys. can I ask help from you. I shift from centos to debian just today and so I have no knowledge yet on know to install and uninstall packages in debian and many more. for a start, can I ask how to install and uninstall packages in debian. thanks. |
| 04:59.47 | rww | aQute: Debian wheezy? |
| 05:00.01 | tozzifan | 6294BE9B was used for the newer release (6.0.5) , but the key is older than the one used for (6.0.3) |
| 05:00.06 | aQute | wheezy is still in testing |
| 05:00.14 | aQute | it might not be stable |
| 05:00.17 | JNSamuel | check the md5/sha sums |
| 05:00.22 | JNSamuel | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current-live/amd64/iso-hybrid/ |
| 05:00.30 | rww | aQute: and yet it basically is and meets all of those requirements |
| 05:00.32 | aQute | also does it comes with python27 by default ? |
| 05:00.42 | tozzifan | arent GPG keys weaker when they get old? |
| 05:00.51 | rww | aQute: that seems to be the only python version installed on my wheezy machine, so... |
| 05:00.56 | rommel092079 | aQute: what is the current stable in debian todate? |
| 05:00.59 | JNSamuel | nah |
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| 05:01.25 | JNSamuel | they simply just verify the file is original |
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| 05:01.39 | aQute | rommel092079: squeeze |
| 05:02.01 | rommel092079 | ok I see. thanks. |
| 05:02.02 | aQute | its great but the only problem is I have to install python27 |
| 05:02.04 | nkuttler | which tool should i use to build a non-caching youtube proxy for personal use only? |
| 05:02.38 | tozzifan | mmm, amd64/iso-hybrid uses SHA256SUM.sign and the key is the new one this time : 6CA7B5A6 |
| 05:02.46 | lars_g | Would someone with wheezy share their ar binary with me in a Web site please? |
| 05:02.56 | rommel092079 | good day guys. can I ask help from you. I shift from centos to debian just today and so I have no knowledge yet on know to install and uninstall packages in debian and many more. for a start, can I ask how to install and uninstall packages in debian. thanks. |
| 05:03.01 | tozzifan | (now i'm talking about the one of the link you just posted) |
| 05:03.21 | JNSamuel | i wouldnt worry |
| 05:03.51 | aQute | rommel092079: sudo apt-get install <package_name> |
| 05:04.31 | lars_g | Rommel aptitude is a good place to start. |
| 05:05.18 | tozzifan | JNSamuel: yes, i know they simply do that, but what if someone used a broken key in 2009 (using the key from 1999) ? i downloaded debian in 2009 via wifi (a restaurant at the end of my street) isnt a key useless after *ten* years? |
| 05:05.36 | tozzifan | (that's the reason to change the key after some years) |
| 05:07.29 | JNSamuel | they dont get broken after time unless the files have been modified |
| 05:07.41 | rommel092079 | what is using dkpg ? |
| 05:07.52 | rommel092079 | dpkg rather |
| 05:07.53 | dpkg | no idea, rommel092079 |
| 05:08.01 | rww | tozzifan: "Debian Live" is done by a different set of people from normal Debian ISO releases. I expect that's the reason for there being two different keys. |
| 05:08.06 | rommel092079 | i mean dpkg |
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| 05:08.35 | JNSamuel | plus its quite an old release |
| 05:08.37 | tozzifan | JNSamuel: with "broken" i dont mean that gpg says "BAD signature" i mean that someone could crack it to make a "Good signature" for a not legitime file |
| 05:09.06 | rww | and both keys are 4096 bit RSA keys, and I am not aware of any cryptographic weaknesses in such keys |
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| 05:09.19 | JNSamuel | well where did you download it from? |
| 05:09.21 | rww | and cryptographic protocols do not magically stop working after a decade, assuming sufficient key length |
| 05:09.25 | tozzifan | rww: also after 10 years? |
| 05:09.25 | rommel092079 | when to use dpkg and apt ? |
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| 05:10.03 | tozzifan | JNSamuel: so "key expiration" option in GPG is useless? |
| 05:10.19 | rww | tozzifan: Which ten year old key are you talking about? |
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| 05:10.44 | JNSamuel | no, but they dont set expiration dates on them i dont think |
| 05:10.51 | rww | tozzifan: The main use of key expiration imho is to have a way to deactivate keys even if the private key and revocation certificate are lost. That's the only reason I have one set, anyway. |
| 05:11.05 | tozzifan | 88C7C1F7 , it's for a signature of an iso from 2009 . the key is from 1999 |
| 05:11.35 | JNSamuel | perhaps its a key used since 1999 for previous releases |
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| 05:12.37 | tozzifan | JNSamuel: yes. the key was created in 1999. But seems to be used until 2009. |
| 05:13.15 | JNSamuel | right? so what is the problem? |
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| 05:13.47 | tozzifan | rwp: so a key is ok also after 10 or 20 years of cryptoanalysys ? |
| 05:13.57 | rww | The age isn't a particular issue. Whether 1024 bit DSA keys (which that one is) are still secure is. I'd be interested in analysis of that question, but I don't have any on hand. |
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| 05:14.17 | rwp | tozzifan, I think you meant rww not rwp. |
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| 05:14.34 | tozzifan | rwp: yes, sorry. rww |
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| 07:33.52 | homes_ | anyone happen to know any studies comparing the debian security team to other distros? |
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| 07:35.19 | JamieThTpwrm | rms doesn't seem like the buy-able type, if that helps |
| 07:35.43 | JamieThTpwrm | money is the means by which many security situations are compromised, in life. |
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| 07:36.40 | Arafangion | homes_: The study would ultimately be either pointless... Or have ot identify differences in approaches. |
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| 07:36.54 | homes_ | what do you mean? |
| 07:36.55 | Arafangion | homes_: Debian security does things quite differently to say, redhat. |
| 07:37.11 | Arafangion | homes_: Consider, for a start, the size of Debian, relative to other distros. |
| 07:37.47 | homes_ | mostly what i'd be concerned with is how long my fleet of apache/bind/sshd daemons have to wait for updated packages |
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| 07:37.53 | Arafangion | homes_: Additionally, the way in which security updates are applied depends on the version. |
| 07:38.01 | Arafangion | homes_: Right, so now you're getting very specific. |
| 07:38.24 | Arafangion | homes_: Also, what do you mean by 'updated'? |
| 07:38.51 | Arafangion | homes_: Do you want updates even if the update has a potential difference in behaviour? |
| 07:38.59 | homes_ | patched for vulnerbaility |
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| 07:40.37 | Arafangion | homes_: Those vulnerbilities likely depend on particular versions. |
| 07:41.15 | Arafangion | homes_: Unless I'm mistaken, security fixes are backported, rather than simply updating teh package to the latest version. |
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| 07:41.31 | Arafangion | homes_: At least in stable. |
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| 07:41.53 | Arafangion | I think only *serious* vulnerbilities are fixed in old-stable, as well? (That right?) |
| 07:42.07 | homes_ | quite right, backported |
| 07:42.19 | homes_ | not sure, never ran old stable |
| 07:42.43 | homes | just some sort of analysis would resolve a lot of FUD regarding commercial vs non-commercial distros |
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| 07:43.12 | Arafangion | homes: It would probably exacerbate it. Debian Stable can eventually end up running much older packages than some other distributions. |
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| 07:43.34 | Arafangion | homes: While other distributions might have an update every day. |
| 07:44.29 | Arafangion | homes: Some excellent systems to contrast would be OpenBSD, Windows XP, Debian Stable, Redhat, and Archlinux. |
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| 07:44.57 | JamieThTpwrm | you want to look at what people with massive amounts of money and other resource comment about breaking the security |
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| 07:45.48 | JamieThTpwrm | bradley manning's supposed logged convo with lame-o, for instance mentions No Such Agency using 50 people and taking a month or whatever to crack iphones |
| 07:45.50 | homes | JamieThTpwrm: having trouble parsing that sentence |
| 07:45.52 | Arafangion | JamieThTpwrm: Sometimes I wonder if security even matters. :( |
| 07:46.05 | JamieThTpwrm | Arafangion has a point there |
| 07:47.21 | JamieThTpwrm | unix was originally designed without much security imposition--though the rfc do mention it and so forth. open sort of highway view which maybe had follow-on effects for decades (including linux) |
| 07:47.33 | homes | Arafangion: i'm not convinced that a reasoned analysis would make fud worse! |
| 07:47.54 | homes | Arafangion: the alternative, to never study it, seems horrid |
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| 07:48.35 | Arafangion | homes: Historically, the security of windows was technically better. |
| 07:49.13 | Arafangion | homes: I can easily take down the vast majority of any unix-based system given access to little more than sh. |
| 07:49.20 | JamieThTpwrm | info on exploits is quite asymmetrically distributed, despite all the noble transparency attempts--given that it's a commodity at the secret level--and so much societal resource is now funneled into clandestine institutions |
| 07:49.42 | JamieThTpwrm | that said, i don't have a smarter solution than opensource, presently, so |
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| 07:50.04 | Arafangion | The real priority these days, is risk management. |
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| 07:50.28 | Arafangion | The real weakness, today, though, is overreliance on crappy passwords. :( |
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| 07:51.02 | Arafangion | homes: Consider situations such as this: http://www.crn.com.au/News/335039,ato-passwords-stored-in-clear-text.aspx |
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| 07:55.40 | JamieThTpwrm | heard a systems guy at a pretty sophisticated lab complaining about vendors or someone doing that: '..he noticed the POS had sent plain text passwords via email as part of its account recovery process.' |
| 07:56.03 | Arafangion | Which is exceptionally common. |
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| 07:56.27 | Arafangion | Back in the day, I would try to keep all my passwords separate. |
| 07:56.31 | Arafangion | But now, I just freaking give up. |
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| 07:56.44 | JamieThTpwrm | human nature is that everyone's stupid about something. get 30 people together and there must be someone stupid about passwords |
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| 07:57.17 | Arafangion | JamieThTpwrm: One password, I kid you not, has the worlds most wacked requirements. |
| 07:57.45 | Arafangion | It must be between 8 and 12 characters. (Or something), without any two characters neighbouring each other. |
| 07:58.00 | Arafangion | ANd must contain alphabetical, numerical, symbolic, and in both upper and lower case. |
| 07:58.20 | Arafangion | And... Can only be entered in with the mouse, using an on-screen UI. In freaking 2013. :( |
| 07:58.43 | Arafangion | The buttons on which, randomize each time you start using it. |
| 07:59.22 | JamieThTpwrm | a company which had fast machines for the day, in their playroom had a hisorical range of typewriters one time--for the employees to play with..old mechanical things with various strategies to keying up the characters :) |
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| 08:00.03 | JamieThTpwrm | wow, randomising buttons eh--which then must be located by a mouse |
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| 08:00.26 | Arafangion | JamieThTpwrm: There's a timeout, too, naturally. |
| 08:00.50 | JamieThTpwrm | and, you have to use a mirror, while hanging upside down ;) |
| 08:01.05 | Arafangion | JamieThTpwrm: Actually, no... I wasn't exagerating. :) |
| 08:01.06 | JamieThTpwrm | amd tjeu |
| 08:01.18 | JamieThTpwrm | woops. and they're spraying the user with high pressure water |
| 08:01.31 | JamieThTpwrm | yea no, i'm just picturing additional barriers :) |
| 08:01.49 | Arafangion | JamieThTpwrm: www.cardservicesdirect.com.au |
| 08:02.08 | Arafangion | JamieThTpwrm: The whole thing falls apart due to invalid certificate, if you forget the www component, btw. |
| 08:02.23 | JamieThTpwrm | i knew a company that got (justifiably) concerned about its code and hdw designs getting lifted..and they got very sensitive about changing their passwords frequently |
| 08:02.53 | Arafangion | Looks like the letters aren't randomized at the moment, I distinctly remember it doing that before. |
| 08:03.10 | Arafangion | JamieThTpwrm: Yeah, my work has a 6 month password change policy. |
| 08:03.29 | Arafangion | JamieThTpwrm: Without SSO. |
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| 08:03.51 | JamieThTpwrm | the employees carried cars which were synched with the homebase..the card generated a new pw every 30 secs |
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| 08:04.14 | et | must've been light cars |
| 08:04.33 | JamieThTpwrm | they were using an early network which probably wasn't on www protocols at the time--but i don't really know |
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| 08:05.17 | JamieThTpwrm | s/cars/cards |
| 08:05.25 | Arafangion | JamieThTpwrm: Actually that wouldn't be so bad, if every system at work used those. |
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| 08:07.01 | JamieThTpwrm | Arafangion the person telling me that used remote access for work in what was essentially an early telecommuting job. unless it's bespoke hardware/os/etc though there always seem to be other exploits though. they had sun boxes with some sort of nice video card |
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| 08:07.29 | Arafangion | THose were the day. |
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| 08:10.59 | JamieThTpwrm | was radicalising to see those displays. as NeXt were radicalising to see. 'new era' feeling. gosh and now s.jobs is gone. |
| 08:11.14 | Arafangion | JamieThTpwrm: Interestingly, looks like my bank is doing this: |
| 08:11.16 | Arafangion | https://www.cardservicesdirect.com.au/global_docs/pdf/One_Time_Password_Guide.pdf |
| 08:11.21 | Arafangion | How does that look? |
| 08:11.46 | JamieThTpwrm | risk management is right. as people use gear and tech widely it's a matter of identifying which fires to put out no doubt |
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| 08:12.47 | babilen | JamieThTpwrm: Please don't take it personally, but I tried to find the actual Debian related question you need help with for some time now. I have the impression that you might want to join #debian-offtopic, but that might just be due to me not having read the /entire/ backlog. |
| 08:13.21 | Arafangion | babilen: We spun off from homes's question... But point made. |
| 08:13.27 | project2501a | when in doupt, scream and shout |
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| 08:14.08 | babilen | Arafangion: Well, just tried to help but couldn't figure out what the problem was :) |
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| 08:15.27 | JamieThTpwrm | philosophy to opensource (rms) type issues really. these are on-going concerns but not sure 'the problem' has any known or presently-knowable solution |
| 08:17.14 | babilen | JamieThTpwrm: I meant "the problem" in the sense of you "the actual technical problem sombody is trying to solve" -- This is a technical support channel after all. Please, come and join #debian-offtopic if you want to chat :) |
| 08:17.24 | babilen | Either way, moving on ... |
| 08:17.39 | project2501a | hmmm |
| 08:18.03 | Arafangion | babilen: Sometimes defining the problem is most interesting. |
| 08:18.10 | project2501a | i need a way to spawn an entire infrastructure in VM with the minimum of work |
| 08:18.10 | JamieThTpwrm | Arafangion that .pdf brought to mind comment a motorola engineer who worked on text made..That sms--at that time--hadn't taken off in the region of the first cell; while the philipines were exchanging a billion sms annually by then. the engineer said taxation was the reason they weren't popular in the u.s. then. all these factors play into debian security |
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| 08:18.21 | babilen | JamieThTpwrm: seriously? |
| 08:18.30 | JamieThTpwrm | no worries. didn't seem like the chan b/w was in use either way then |
| 08:18.59 | project2501a | something like "make ldap dns fileserver" and it will spawn hosts for me |
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| 08:19.42 | Arafangion | JamieThTpwrm: Here... SMS's are getting very popular, possibly due to incredibly confusing charges that means we never really know just how much things cost. |
| 08:19.55 | babilen | project2501a: puppet + profiles for services? Sounds like something that has been done before. |
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| 08:20.02 | JamieThTpwrm | Arafangion, lol |
| 08:20.34 | project2501a | babilen: profiles? you mean puppet profiles? |
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| 08:20.58 | Arafangion | JamieThTpwrm: Seriously. It is the norm to pay "$X/month and get $Y/month worth of calls and text for free". |
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| 08:22.04 | project2501a | ok, gentlemen, -offtopic |
| 08:22.06 | babilen | project2501a: That is the idea. A set of configuration steps that in their entirety constitute a "dns server" or so. (but then, what more would it be than installing a couple of packages?) |
| 08:22.08 | JamieThTpwrm | they were taxing individual txt msgs then though i don't know what the arrangement lately is. if your job is to develop novel ways to use text and phones and encourage that adoption--such policies must get very frustrating |
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| 08:22.21 | project2501a | let's not discuss corporate greed in #debian |
| 08:22.25 | babilen | JamieThTpwrm: → #debian-offtopic please |
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| 08:26.30 | babilen | project2501a: Random google hit: http://www.craigdunn.org/2012/05/239/ |
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| 08:27.43 | babilen | project2501a: There are probably more in-depth and better tutorials or manuals out there |
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| 08:29.53 | Spektral | hey, so my vps has kernel issues cuz when i got it i had deb 6 64bit installed on it, but then a buddy upgraded to wheezy, and well, i havent been able to use iptables cuz the kernel needs to be recomp'd |
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| 08:30.16 | Spektral | well im just gonna reimage, and i just wanna make sure pure deb 6 64bit should have iptables working fine from the get go right? |
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| 08:31.09 | homes | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:31.32 | Spektral | cuz i had to recompile my kernel on my dedi too, which i selected isp config on deb 6 64bit, but we just did cuz of some extra security shit in the kernel we didnt want, im guessing the dedi thing had to do with the fact its isp config running on deb 6 64 |
| 08:31.54 | Spektral | cuz ovh litterally calls the OS isp config3 (deb 6 64bit) |
| 08:32.01 | Spektral | and they deff added extra shit on install |
| 08:32.14 | Spektral | but the vps, im just gonna do pure deb 6 64bit |
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| 08:32.35 | Spektral | so wanted to make sure i can iptables from the get go |
| 08:32.38 | Spektral | ok homes ty |
| 08:32.50 | Spektral | ill take ur word for it, and just assume the dedi needed it cuz of isp config |
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| 09:01.43 | aQute | there are a lot of debian download images which one shd I use for usb install ? |
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| 09:19.23 | lilibox | hi |
| 09:20.12 | lilibox | does anybody can point me at any easy tutorial how to make RAID1 from already running debian? |
| 09:21.00 | babilen | dpkg: tell lilibox -about software raid |
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| 09:21.27 | lilibox | thank you |
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| 09:21.48 | babilen | lilibox: The <mdadm> factoid contains a couple of (probably better) links. |
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| 09:24.52 | lilibox | babilen: i followed this tut: http://wiki.xtronics.com/index.php/Raid |
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| 09:25.37 | lilibox | but i kept at : mdadm /dev/md0 -a /dev/sda1 |
| 09:26.36 | lilibox | sda1 is busy because this device is boot/root / i am running from |
| 09:28.27 | lilibox | i am trying find solution how to keep already installed debian (move from one disk solution to RAID1) |
| 09:29.28 | babilen | lilibox: First you typically combine more than once disk in a RAID, you also have to specify the raid level. There are plenty of tutorials out there and you simply have to find them. I don't think you can create a RAID on top of a partition you currently use as / ... |
| 09:30.03 | babilen | lilibox: I mean you would have to create a filesystem there and delete the old one while you still use it :) |
| 09:31.16 | lilibox | i am trying follow degraded path |
| 09:31.32 | babilen | Ah, I see :) |
| 09:31.50 | babilen | So what exactly is your problem? |
| 09:32.00 | lilibox | already created /dev/md0 and copied source - sda1 on it |
| 09:32.30 | babilen | So you are not actually looking for a tutorial, but you need help with a very specific step in that particular tutorial? |
| 09:32.31 | lilibox | i got 2 partitions on it, / and swap, cat /proc/mdstat said md1 (swap) UU already synced |
| 09:32.53 | babilen | And what do you mean by "i kept at" ? |
| 09:33.11 | lilibox | babilen yes, i need know how to do this; mdadm /dev/md0 -a /dev/sda1 |
| 09:33.22 | babilen | ok |
| 09:33.26 | babilen | So what is the problem? |
| 09:33.35 | babilen | And are you aware of the #linux-raid channel? |
| 09:34.03 | lilibox | no, i don't know about that channel exist |
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| 09:37.53 | lilibox | bebilen i puked some info to your /query :), i don't want shit this chan :) |
| 09:38.14 | babilen | http://paste.debian.net |
| 09:38.36 | babilen | (and you must have /query'd someone else as I never received anything -- poor soul) |
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| 09:39.19 | lilibox | well, basicaly i want umount /dev/sda1 |
| 09:39.31 | lilibox | and add sda1 to md0 |
| 09:40.11 | lilibox | my sda1 is already rsynced to md0 |
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| 09:42.10 | babilen | lilibox: So, go on and do that? |
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| 09:42.56 | lilibox | dunno how :) |
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| 09:46.03 | babilen | lilibox: Just continue with the instructions? Sorry, I have no idea what your actual problem right now is. You seem to have followed those instructions up to "Attach the original drive's partitions to the existing (degraded) RAID arrays" -- Why don't you continue with "Configure grub to boot from both drives" now? |
| 09:47.41 | anddam | I just disabled lightdm in rl 2 using update-rc.d, insserv warns me that disabling a dm at level 2 is not LSB default. Isn't there a default runlevel without a desktop manager? |
| 09:48.36 | lilibox | babilen i didn't jump over: Attach the original drive's partitions to the existing (degraded) RAID arrays: |
| 09:48.59 | lilibox | this mdadm /dev/md0 -a /dev/sda1 is unabel to do it |
| 09:49.03 | lilibox | unable |
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| 09:51.18 | EmleyMoor | lilibox: How do you know that? |
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| 09:51.59 | babilen | exactly :) |
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| 09:52.19 | babilen | (and finally!) |
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| 09:52.38 | lilibox | EmpleyMoor: mdadm: Cannot open /dev/sda1: Device or resource busy |
| 09:53.03 | EmleyMoor | liplibox: Are you sure it's /dev/sda1 you're working with? |
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| 09:54.28 | lilibox | dunno, i use linux as good stable tool - if it works as i expected, but i am noob |
| 09:55.04 | lilibox | uhhm, when i stopped md0, system worked as usualy |
| 09:55.30 | EmleyMoor | Can you pastebin the output of cat /proc/mdstat? |
| 09:56.40 | lilibox | http://paste.debian.net/242085/ |
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| 09:57.01 | lilibox | md1 is swap, seems like already synced and kicking .. :) |
| 09:57.28 | EmleyMoor | Hmmm... seems likely it should be sda1 then... can you pastebin the output of "mount"? |
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| 09:58.30 | lilibox | http://paste.debian.net/242086/ |
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| 09:58.59 | EmleyMoor | You have /dev/sda1 mounted as / |
| 09:59.16 | EmleyMoor | You won't be able to add it to the RAID while that is the case |
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| 10:00.06 | babilen | Shouldn't this be done from a live cd? |
| 10:00.25 | EmleyMoor | I'm presuming /dev/md0 would normally be /+ |
| 10:00.27 | EmleyMoor | ? |
| 10:00.36 | lilibox | yes |
| 10:00.38 | babilen | That was my impression too |
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| 10:02.10 | EmleyMoor | Does the system still work if that is the case? |
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| 10:03.16 | lilibox | when? |
| 10:03.44 | EmleyMoor | Er, that is a "present tense" question. |
| 10:04.27 | EmleyMoor | Does the system work if /dev/md0 is root (now)? |
| 10:04.55 | lilibox | yes |
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| 10:05.45 | EmleyMoor | Right - in that case, make it so - then try adding /dev/sda1 to it. If that doesn't work, you may need to use something like grml to help you fix it. |
| 10:07.12 | lilibox | friend of mine said me to try boot from second (sdb) disk now, md0 is fully working and it is basicaly sdb now, i fixed grub on sdb and will try boot from sdb and add sda1 then |
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| 10:13.55 | babilen | lilibox: One lesson to take away: Actually ask about your problem and don't start of with "Does anybody know a good tutorial" if you are already following one and all you need is advice because you encountered a problem. |
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| 10:23.20 | lilibox | babilen ok, but my guess about that my tutorial anything wrong with it, soo i tried find new and better one |
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| 10:24.12 | olivier | Hi there. Do you know if I can easily remove all packages from multimedia repo and go back to "official" packages, please ? |
| 10:24.19 | babilen | I think it simply misses the "don't do this on a running system" :) |
| 10:24.35 | babilen | dpkg: tell olivier about dmm list |
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| 10:25.04 | babilen | olivier: Simply use that with "aptitude purge '?narrow(...." |
| 10:25.42 | babilen | olivier: Then remove dmm from your sources.list and install whatever you need |
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| 10:25.51 | hyppias | installing proftpd and trying to access it from local net 192.168.179.x: I get this, with filezilla: Resolving address of hotel |
| 10:25.52 | hyppias | Status:Connecting to 192.168.178.28:21... |
| 10:25.52 | hyppias | Status:Connection established, waiting for welcome message... |
| 10:25.52 | hyppias | Error:Could not connect to server. |
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| 10:26.23 | babilen | hyppias: → http://paste.debian.net |
| 10:26.54 | babilen | hyppias: But apparently 192.168.179.x cannot connect to 192.168.178.28:21 |
| 10:27.13 | olivier | thank you very much |
| 10:27.25 | olivier | babilen: thank you very much |
| 10:27.45 | hyppias | soory, get kicked off....OK, I paste proftpd.conf? |
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| 10:30.26 | hyppias | proftpd problem: cannot access local server from local net: paste.debian.net/242088 |
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| 10:31.29 | nicoparker | hi there |
| 10:31.38 | hyppias | it DOES connect and waits for the message, then says "cannot connect to server" |
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| 10:32.09 | nicoparker | someone has some good knowledge about virtualization here? |
| 10:33.14 | nkuttler | nicoparker: ask your real question |
| 10:33.20 | hyppias | babilen: maybe typo: both are on the same net. |
| 10:33.39 | nicoparker | ok, here is my question : I've got a (game) server which is pretty cpu-intensive but runs only under windows (I know, my ppl's asking for it...) |
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| 10:34.06 | nicoparker | is there's a good and efficient way to virtualize w7 or xp in a headless config? |
| 10:34.47 | nicoparker | I've been through many forums since an hour, and I must say that everythings is pretty blurry now... |
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| 10:37.10 | nicoparker | ah ok that's what I was afraid about... The answer is something like "no", hu? |
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| 10:38.48 | nicoparker | and what if I install X? Virtualbox? |
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| 10:41.50 | nicoparker | is that a kind of taboo here? Virtualizing other OSes? |
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| 10:44.00 | petemc | nicoparker: no, its just a quiet time |
| 10:44.33 | nicoparker | petemc: ah ok, I was afraid I shocked the audience :D |
| 10:44.48 | petemc | have you looked at vmware? |
| 10:44.58 | nicoparker | i was on their website |
| 10:45.38 | nicoparker | I'm really looking for a headless solution, because running virtualbox on X over vnc seems so terrible to me I can't resign myself to do it |
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| 10:46.56 | jelly-home | nicoparker: I'd been running xp in virtualbox a while ago. Until xp or vbox made the vm unbootable. |
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| 10:48.32 | jelly-home | it was possible to start the vm with VBoxHeadless or something with a similar name |
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| 10:49.09 | MaddinXx | nicoparker: wouldn't something like https://code.google.com/p/phpvirtualbox/ replace GUI installation and VNC? |
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| 10:49.53 | MaddinXx | nicoparker: tutorial http://www.howtoforge.com/managing-a-headless-virtualbox-installation-with-phpvirtualbox-ubuntu-12.04 |
| 10:50.13 | nicoparker | jelly-home: Virtualbox looks like a toy to me... Maybe I'm wrong, but it's ok for some quick testing only I think. |
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| 10:50.40 | nicoparker | MaddinXx: hum could be a solution yeah |
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| 10:51.29 | nicoparker | MaddinXx: jelly-home: Ok so I think I'll have to deal anyway with vbox! |
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| 10:52.25 | jelly-home | xp would probably work in kvm as well |
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| 10:52.34 | galaxys4 | o.O |
| 10:53.11 | nicoparker | you have to use a very special kernel with kvm, right? |
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| 10:53.49 | jelly-home | wrong |
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| 10:54.17 | jelly-home | there's some hw requirements, but most modern cpus support it |
| 10:54.58 | jelly-home | !xve |
| 10:54.58 | dpkg | To confirm if your processor supports x86 virtualization extensions, run: egrep -q -e '^flags.*vmx' -e '^flags.*svm' /proc/cpuinfo && echo 'virtualization extensions available'. Some systems require Intel VT-x / AMD Virtualization (SVM) support to be enabled in BIOS. See also <virtualization>. |
| 10:55.15 | galaxys4 | what's not a toy? |
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| 10:55.48 | jelly-home | galaxys4: beg pardon? |
| 10:55.51 | nicoparker | jelly-home: don't worry for the server, it's running a sandy bridge i7 |
| 10:56.02 | nicoparker | galaxys4: 1 point for you |
| 10:56.27 | galaxys4 | thanks |
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| 10:59.18 | nicoparker | hmm so I end up on kvm vs vbox |
| 11:00.21 | jelly-home | kvm is a backend, you might want some sort of a gui to go with it like virt-manager, unless you like CLI better |
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| 11:01.12 | nicoparker | it's not that I'm a CLI guru, but I prefer to make things simple |
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| 11:02.09 | nicoparker | for example I saw a server where the guys were launching servers on an XFCE desktop over VNC. That's so stupid : if VNC crashes (which happens), then all their servers died immediatly. |
| 11:02.31 | nicoparker | the good old way just works |
| 11:04.01 | jelly-home | you probably still need a gui with console access for installation |
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| 11:07.00 | nicoparker | i'm just checking that atm, but qemu seems to have an integrated vnc for install |
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| 11:13.08 | wouter86 | I'm running debian 6, and I would like to install the newest version of wine 1.6 |
| 11:13.26 | wouter86 | but when I run apt-get install wine it installs wine 1.0 |
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| 11:14.29 | wouter86 | how can I install wine 1.6? I would like the powerpointviewer2007 to work, but this does not start using wine 1.0 |
| 11:15.56 | ompaul | wouter86: I'll have the bot send you a couple of messages - but you will be on your own I have no idea about wine but the messages and links given will give you sufficient clue. when it comes to the bot stuff inside <here> you type here back at the bot and it will give you the clue you want |
| 11:15.56 | nicoparker | wouter86: you'll probably have to use an external repo, or build from source |
| 11:16.52 | ompaul | wouter86: dpkg has sent you info please read it |
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| 11:18.59 | nicoparker | jelly-home: proxmox maybe |
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| 11:20.14 | wouter86 | ompaul: do you know a repository url that I can add to sources.list? building from source is too complicated for my skills in Linux |
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| 11:22.02 | ompaul | wouter86: no I don't, and I strongly suggest you follow the bots instructions, learn that and you will have become quite empowered. The thing is you can go to random places on the internet and follow random instructions and fall outside of the ability of a straight forward upgrade, may I suggest you do the following as a test case - install some packages I'll help you with and then run a virtual machine which you can then run your crazy program in ;-) |
| 11:22.25 | ompaul | wouter86: btw have you tried openoffice / libreoffice to open the power point and look at it? |
| 11:22.32 | txomon | hi, I am getting a very strange behaviour of my system. After I resume from pm-suspend, it gets blocked for over 20 minutes |
| 11:22.34 | ompaul | it should work |
| 11:22.56 | txomon | not totally blocked, but it is as if I had a PIII instead of a I7 |
| 11:23.08 | wouter86 | yes, but openoffice is very slow when embedding animated gifs in the presentation |
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| 11:23.25 | nicoparker | wouter lol |
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| 11:25.04 | txomon | there are lots of processes spawning, like polkitd, the popularity contest, etc. |
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| 11:25.13 | txomon | anyone can help with this? |
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| 11:25.40 | ectospasm | txomon: which ones are taking up the most CPU? |
| 11:26.15 | txomon | ectospasm, there is no just one |
| 11:26.17 | jeeger | Hey! I have a realtek r8168/r8169 network card in my server, and it suddently died. ethtool shows me the link is up, but I can't get an ip addres via dhcp, and when I manually configure the card, no traffic goes through either. How do I debug this (no iptables rules)? |
| 11:26.20 | txomon | its everything |
| 11:26.27 | txomon | there isn't really a process |
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| 11:26.38 | ompaul | jeeger: blinking lights on the card? |
| 11:26.52 | ectospasm | txomon: any consuming an inordinate amount of RAM during this process? |
| 11:27.16 | txomon | well, gnome-shell gets 1GB... |
| 11:27.17 | ectospasm | txomon: is this on squeeze, or wheezy? |
| 11:27.21 | txomon | wheezy |
| 11:27.29 | txomon | may I go #debian-next? |
| 11:27.44 | ompaul | on irc.oftc.net it is there but not freenode |
| 11:27.49 | ompaul | txomon: ^^ |
| 11:28.09 | ectospasm | wheezy is supported here because it's frozen, and nearly-stable |
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| 11:28.42 | jeeger | ompaul: Uh, no blinking, neither on the switch nor the card (the lights are on though) |
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| 11:29.19 | ompaul | jeeger: hardware locked up? you might want to disconnect the cable and reconnect it |
| 11:29.29 | txomon | ectospasm, the more it time it is in suspend mode (1 day) the more time it on resume gets to get back to normal |
| 11:29.43 | ompaul | txomon: keep it one or the other |
| 11:29.56 | ompaul | but not both networks |
| 11:30.23 | txomon | ok, so here |
| 11:30.50 | ompaul | txomon: look if you have a 100 tab browser of course it is going to chew ram trying to be stable |
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| 11:31.19 | ompaul | txomon: you haven't shared that info with ectospasm here about the browser taking 2G |
| 11:31.25 | ompaul | txomon: hardly fair |
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| 11:31.33 | txomon | the problem is not with one app, just because I close chromium, it doesn't get back to normal behaviour |
| 11:31.49 | ectospasm | chromium CONSUMES RAM |
| 11:31.54 | ompaul | txomon: start like this go to suspend with nothing running and see what you have |
| 11:32.08 | ompaul | txomon: then start applications one at a time and rule them in or out |
| 11:32.12 | ompaul | and what he said |
| 11:32.13 | ectospasm | I'd shift-escape in chromium, see which tab/process is consuming all of that RAM, and close it. |
| 11:32.36 | txomon | ompaul, I am talking about VIRT column in top |
| 11:32.48 | ectospasm | Note that closing the Chromium window doesn't kill all of its associated processes. |
| 11:33.06 | ectospasm | You'll have to Ctrl-Shift-q to do that. |
| 11:33.11 | txomon | ectospasm, I know, but I has happened without having chromium openend |
| 11:33.20 | jeeger | ompaul: I'll try it. |
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| 11:33.50 | jeeger | ompaul: nope, didn't do anything either |
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| 11:34.10 | ectospasm | txomon: make sure there are no Chromium processes before you run pm-suspend... |
| 11:34.11 | ompaul | jeeger: can be that the card has just bombed and a restart sorts you out |
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| 11:34.34 | regular | Hello. Is there a backport for the Nvidia kernel module for the 3.2 Linux kernel? |
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| 11:34.43 | txomon | I have gotten to normal performance now, the problem is that this happens the more when I have suspended it for longer |
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| 11:34.57 | txomon | oki |
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| 11:35.16 | ectospasm | regular: nvidia-dkms doesn't work for you? |
| 11:35.38 | regular | didn't try it yet... |
| 11:35.46 | jeeger | ompaul: Yeah, I'll try and restart. |
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| 11:35.58 | djp__ | if i issue the command "setenv http_proxy http://proxyaddress:port/", will that setting remain after a reboot? i'm trying to allow all my web browsers access to the internet via a proxy gateway. |
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| 11:36.28 | ectospasm | regular: nvidia-kernel-dkms is the package name. |
| 11:36.28 | cantoma | hey guys, I am trying to play a DVD that I have just bought in my debian squeeze. Towards it, I am doing mplayer dvd://1 -dvd-device /dev/sr0 however the following happens: http://pastebin.com/6eH9X4Hq. Could someone give a hand? |
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| 11:36.52 | regular | ok, thanks |
| 11:36.55 | ectospasm | cantoma: did you install libdecss? |
| 11:37.04 | mallxs | will a FNC-0109TX Ethernet adapter work out of he box, i can only find german sites talking about it |
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| 11:37.19 | txomon | ectospasm, so what may I do when I first resume if this happens so that you have the needed info? |
| 11:37.37 | cantoma | ectospasm, it is not in my apt-cache |
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| 11:37.52 | cantoma | ectospasm, what source should I add? |
| 11:37.59 | cantoma | to my sources.list |
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| 11:38.25 | ectospasm | it's not in the Debian repositories. |
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| 11:38.44 | ectospasm | you'll have to find it some other way. Technically distributing libdecss is illegal in the US. |
| 11:38.45 | cantoma | ectospasm, so where can I get it from? |
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| 11:38.55 | ectospasm | cantoma: you'll have to use Google for that one. |
| 11:38.56 | cantoma | I am not in the USS |
| 11:38.57 | cantoma | US |
| 11:39.41 | Spektral | so whats teh deal with recompiling a kernel on a vps? can u do it, i mean since its just a vps on a full server, idk if it like is totally seperated so u can recomp a kernel on the vps and it be fine and not effect anything on the server the vps is? |
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| 11:39.45 | ompaul | cantoma: a search of the internet for "playing dvds on debian" should help you a lot one imagines |
| 11:39.45 | Spektral | *vps is on? |
| 11:39.48 | ompaul | Spektral: don't |
| 11:39.54 | jeeger | ompaul: nope, reboot didn't do anything |
| 11:39.55 | ectospasm | Spektral: depends on the VPS |
| 11:39.59 | Spektral | i havent, i figured its a bad idea |
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| 11:40.01 | Spektral | im just asking |
| 11:40.02 | ompaul | jeeger: hardware failure? |
| 11:40.08 | cantoma | ompaul, let me check |
| 11:40.20 | Spektral | ectospasm |
| 11:40.22 | ompaul | cantoma: I shan't stop you :) |
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| 11:40.54 | ompaul | Spektral: usually the provider hands you something that you can run and altering it can have unintended and at times bad consquences |
| 11:40.56 | Spektral | well when i got it, free from a friend, i told him i wanted deb 6 64, but right when i got it, another friend upgraded it to deb 7 |
| 11:41.05 | ectospasm | cantoma: the unofficial deb-multimedia repository might also contain the library |
| 11:41.09 | Spektral | and we cant use iptables without recompiling the kernel |
| 11:41.17 | Spektral | im thinkin that has to do with my friend doing that update |
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| 11:41.21 | Spektral | cuz in the panel for the vps |
| 11:41.22 | cantoma | ectospasm, but is it a save repository |
| 11:41.25 | furycd001 | HI If I do a debian netinstall & then install xmonad… …What would be the best way to start it automatically without a login manager :? |
| 11:41.27 | Spektral | it still says deb 6 |
| 11:41.34 | ectospasm | cantoma: most reports say no |
| 11:41.37 | Spektral | so i wanna reimage |
| 11:41.45 | cantoma | ectospasm, last time I install it in another machine it created thousands of problems |
| 11:41.51 | Spektral | and im guessing if i just do deb 6 64 again, and leave it alone |
| 11:41.55 | cantoma | ectospasm, i remember that mplayer stopped working |
| 11:41.58 | Spektral | i should be able to use iptables right off the bat |
| 11:41.58 | ompaul | Spektral: ask friend one to reset it up and start again, and don't go messing until you have read their docs on running version after version etc |
| 11:42.10 | Spektral | well i didnt mess with it |
| 11:42.12 | Spektral | a friend did |
| 11:42.27 | Spektral | like right when i got it he upgraded to deb 7 saying its a good idea |
| 11:42.32 | cantoma | ectospasm, so why should I install it |
| 11:42.32 | ectospasm | cantoma: do some digging, googling "debian deCSS" finds many hits. |
| 11:42.33 | Spektral | im gonna reimage it tonight |
| 11:42.35 | ompaul | Spektral: and that's still under your authority for want of a phrase - so you did :) |
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| 11:42.55 | Spektral | yea , im saying i didnt think it fuck with my kernel so much |
| 11:42.56 | ompaul | cantoma: cos you indicated you want it |
| 11:43.01 | cantoma | ompaul, most links tell me to use debian-multimedia |
| 11:43.07 | Spektral | so im just gonna reimage |
| 11:43.14 | Spektral | to pure deb 6 64 |
| 11:43.17 | Spektral | and leave it like that |
| 11:43.19 | cantoma | ompaul, but it is a rubbish repository .. it breaks everything |
| 11:43.25 | jeeger | ompaul: yeah, but how do I check that? |
| 11:43.26 | Spektral | and im guessing then ill be abe to use iptables right off the bad |
| 11:43.28 | Spektral | *bat |
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| 11:43.52 | Spektral | so then generally speaking |
| 11:43.53 | ectospasm | cantoma: you can use the deb-multimedia reposityr website to find the libdvdcss package and install just that (with "dpkg -i ..." |
| 11:43.56 | ectospasm | ) |
| 11:44.00 | ompaul | cantoma: ONLY install what you need and disable it and don't call it rubbish - if you know what you do it is good - only pull in codecs is my suggestion |
| 11:44.04 | Spektral | a reimage to pure deb 6 64bit |
| 11:44.06 | Spektral | and ill be fine |
| 11:44.14 | Spektral | be bale to use iptables from the get go |
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| 11:44.22 | Spektral | no upgrade to wheezy bs |
| 11:44.24 | cantoma | ompaul, ok I will try just to download the css package |
| 11:44.26 | cantoma | for 64 |
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| 11:45.10 | neon__ | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:45.15 | Spektral | [ectospasm]: so a reimage to deb 6 64, and dont fuck with it, and it should be fine right? as far as using my iptables i mean? |
| 11:45.28 | Spektral | cuz im sure its his upgrade to deb 7 thats messed shit up |
| 11:45.31 | ompaul | Spektral: we read that already, so go do it and please stop brain dumping like a scratched record - you don't need our approval for that basic good idea :) |
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| 11:45.33 | ectospasm | Spektral: you should be able to use iptables in wheezy |
| 11:45.54 | cantoma | ompaul, i do remember that mplayer stopped working in another machine, I then I add to do loads of stuff to fix it. Like completely reinstall some packages |
| 11:45.56 | ectospasm | ...you need to find out what this supposed friend did to prevent iptables from loading |
| 11:45.57 | ompaul | ectospasm: his "friend" did a dist-upgrade and broke the vps kernel |
| 11:46.12 | ectospasm | yeah, you should reimage with a wheezy kernel. |
| 11:46.14 | ompaul | cantoma: as I said - only get what you want the codecs |
| 11:46.23 | abrotman | it's a VPS |
| 11:46.29 | ompaul | ectospasm: who knows which vps it is |
| 11:46.31 | Spektral | [ectospasm]: or reimage to deb 6 64 and leave it |
| 11:46.32 | ectospasm | upgrading the kernel is voodoo magic on some VPSes |
| 11:46.37 | ectospasm | ompaul: that's what I'm saying. |
| 11:46.50 | ompaul | Spektral: do the reimage, move on :) |
| 11:47.00 | ectospasm | Spektral: better future proof the VPS, unless you need it to be 100% stable |
| 11:47.01 | ompaul | ectospasm: can we break the cycle I'm getting dizzy ;-) |
| 11:47.08 | cantoma | ompaul, ok I found it http://mirror.home-dn.net/debian-multimedia/pool/main/libd/libdvdcss/ |
| 11:47.29 | ompaul | cantoma: dpkg -i foo.deb is always good |
| 11:47.36 | cantoma | ompaul, though, I not sure which one to download, mine is 64. |
| 11:47.53 | Spektral | welll its kinda weird, itsa a free vps my buddy gave me on his account, so i dont have all the normal support i would if i got it from the provider myself |
| 11:47.53 | Spektral | + Kernel = Linux 2.6.26-2-xen-amd64 x86_64 + |
| 11:47.54 | Spektral | + Version = Debian GNU/Linux 7.0 (wheezy) + |
| 11:48.19 | Spektral | thats what its running atm, but it started as deb 6 64bit, and i think all he did was upgrade deb to deb 7 |
| 11:48.27 | Spektral | and thats a deb 6 kernel |
| 11:48.45 | ompaul | is that a badly scripted bot? |
| 11:48.50 | Spektral | i would just do the reimage now, but im waiting for my bro who's account the vps isactually under |
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| 11:48.57 | cantoma | ompaul, libdvdcss2_1.2.12-0.1_amd64.deb or libdvdcss2_1.2.10-0.3_amd64.deb or libdvdcss2_1.2.10-0.2_amd64.deb ??? |
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| 11:49.19 | ompaul | ,v libdvdcss2 |
| 11:49.20 | judd | Package: libdvdcss2 on i386 -- lenny-multimedia: 1.2.10-0.2; squeeze-multimedia: 1.2.10-0.3; sid-multimedia: 1.2.13-dmo1; wheezy-multimedia: 1.2.13-dmo1 |
| 11:49.32 | cantoma | ompaul, ok thanks |
| 11:49.33 | ompaul | cantoma: ^^ there you go - work it out from that which one you need |
| 11:49.47 | cantoma | ompaul, is the option 2) |
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| 11:50.16 | Spektral | [04:46:50am] ectospasm: upgrading the kernel is voodoo magic on some VPSes |
| 11:50.19 | Spektral | as ive heard |
| 11:50.29 | ompaul | abrotman: that looks like a bot to me |
| 11:50.31 | Spektral | so im just reimaging to deb 6 64, and leave it alone |
| 11:50.47 | Spektral | dont touch the ver or kernel, so it has the deb 6 kernel its reimaged with |
| 11:50.54 | Spektral | and im guessing ill be fine |
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| 11:55.43 | Spektral | well as soon as he's up, ill do the reimage to deb 6 64bit, and 1st thing ill do is copy my iptables file to the spot it goes, and edit for ip/port, and see if it works, if all is gone |
| 11:55.48 | Spektral | *all is good |
| 11:55.55 | Spektral | then should be fine right off the bat |
| 11:56.30 | Spektral | if not, then ill have to figure outt he prob, though ive never heard of an issue with iptables after a clean reimage |
| 11:56.35 | Spektral | as long as its installed ofc lol |
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| 11:59.22 | abrotman | ompaul: eh? |
| 11:59.47 | ompaul | it's ok (now I think) |
| 12:01.47 | cantoma | ompaul, thank it works now. Though, I add to start from chapter 2 (dvd://2) since with chapter 1 it was not working |
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| 12:02.26 | cantoma | i am off to watch a movie finally :) |
| 12:02.29 | cantoma | bye |
| 12:02.33 | ompaul | cantoma: enjoy |
| 12:02.45 | cantoma | thanks |
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| 12:07.47 | Spektral | yea looking at google and i dont see anyone talking about using deb 6 with the kernel i have, so im thinking now maybe my friend upgrading to deb 7 and tried to update the kernel, and picked a bad one, cuz i guess its not even in the list at kernel.org anymore, or he messedup while selecting the shit for that kernel |
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| 12:12.37 | ternomic | hi |
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| 12:19.49 | neon__ | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:20.07 | abrotman | neon__: /etc/default/grub IIRC |
| 12:21.03 | neon__ | abrotman, that file has 5 lines |
| 12:21.23 | neon__ | abrotman, with GRUB_X=Y |
| 12:21.54 | abrotman | okay .. don't believe me |
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| 12:22.54 | ternomic | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:23.02 | bga_ | any chanse that i can replace /dev/hda by ssh ftp w/o kernel panic? |
| 12:23.36 | abrotman | do what? |
| 12:23.38 | bga_ | that for vpn w/o ability to upload own image |
| 12:24.30 | bga_ | adrianee overwrite root partition w/o unmount |
| 12:24.38 | ternomic | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:24.47 | bga_ | * abrotman |
| 12:25.32 | abrotman | ternomic: you just asked that |
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| 12:25.41 | abrotman | bga_: you want to replace the HDD while it's running? |
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| 12:26.07 | bga_ | its content |
| 12:26.22 | bga_ | i have prebaked system in qemu |
| 12:26.31 | abrotman | and this system runs what? |
| 12:27.35 | bga_ | seem i need kind a { dd if=ssh of=/dev/hda } |
| 12:27.51 | bga_ | debian6 on both sides |
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| 12:29.25 | bga_ | replacing process work in memory. i can make minimal system in tmpfs to safety |
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| 12:30.42 | abrotman | bga_: what's your native language? |
| 12:31.00 | bga_ | russian |
| 12:31.06 | abrotman | bga_: i'm still a bit confused about what you're trying to do |
| 12:31.07 | abrotman | !ru |
| 12:31.07 | dpkg | Это английскоговорящий канал, пожалуйста, говорите по-английски или посетите #debian-russian (irc.freenode.net) (Russian speakers please go to #debian-russian) |
| 12:31.20 | neon__ | all that grub look like scripts |
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| 12:31.35 | neon__ | grub2 that is |
| 12:31.52 | neon__ | seem like going backwards |
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| 12:32.08 | pzn | I have an credit-card like A3 certificate. which package can I use in debian for digital-signing and verify signatures? |
| 12:32.30 | neon__ | taking something simple, and making it ridiculously complicated. |
| 12:32.36 | abrotman | neon__: i gave you the correct answer 15 minutes ago |
| 12:33.01 | neon__ | abrotman, sorry, I didn't understand your answer |
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| 12:34.14 | neon__ | abrotman, my /etc/default/grub has only 5 lines. I don't see there all the menu entries and where I should add options |
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| 12:34.33 | abrotman | neon__: have you read the documenatation for grub2? |
| 12:35.00 | neon__ | where is it? |
| 12:35.10 | neon__ | that documentation |
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| 12:37.28 | neon__ | is this it ? /usr/share/doc/grub2-common/examples/grub.cfg ? I don't see a file with similar content |
| 12:38.37 | neon__ | this is what my /etc/default/grub has: GRUB_DEFAULT=0 GRUB_TIMEOUT=5 GRUB_DISTRIBUTOR=`lsb_release -i -s 2> /dev/null || echo Debian` GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="quiet" GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX="" |
| 12:39.05 | neon__ | I don't know to work with that. |
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| 12:40.02 | abrotman | info -f grub -n 'Simple configuration' |
| 12:40.11 | abrotman | it tells you at the top of the file .. or used to anyway |
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| 12:41.55 | neon__ | Yes, I opened that and looked briefly at the GRUB_Xs there, on the one hand nothing caught my eye, on the other, I looked just briefly. Is the answer there? |
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| 12:42.52 | abrotman | you tell us |
| 12:42.53 | Spektral | bga_ |
| 12:43.11 | bga_ | m? |
| 12:43.12 | Spektral | u running deb 6 64 on a vps? |
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| 12:43.18 | bga_ | 32 |
| 12:44.02 | Spektral | well, from the get go after reimage or getting it in the 1st place, did u have any issues with using iptables with the kernel it came with? |
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| 12:44.17 | abrotman | Spektral: you need to talk to your VPS provider |
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| 12:44.44 | Spektral | i got a vps with deb 6 64, 1st thing my buddy did some shit and updated to deb7 and maybe changed the kernel or not, but i cant use iptables without recomp my kernel atm |
| 12:44.47 | Spektral | well |
| 12:44.53 | abrotman | Spektral: ASK THE PROVIDER |
| 12:44.54 | Spektral | i dont technically have a vps provider lol |
| 12:44.54 | abrotman | jesus |
| 12:45.07 | abrotman | oh, more lies .. got it |
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| 12:45.15 | Spektral | more lies? |
| 12:45.16 | Spektral | wtf |
| 12:45.19 | Spektral | havent lied 1 time |
| 12:45.20 | hanibana | suppose I have multiple .deb packages, which have some dependencies to each other. I do not want to run dpkg -i with the right order. Is there any workaround to use apt tools for this case. Somehow pointing to the folder containing deb packages.... I mean without creating a mirror etc. |
| 12:45.22 | Spektral | soo yea |
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| 12:45.37 | Spektral | its a free vps my bro gave me who works for the datacenter of the provider |
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| 12:45.41 | Spektral | he just added it to his account |
| 12:45.44 | Spektral | i dont lie |
| 12:45.47 | abrotman | hanibana: you can dpkg -i foo1.deb foo2.deb foo3.deb |
| 12:45.58 | Spektral | so yea, thats insultive, im an honest man |
| 12:46.17 | abrotman | then you have a VPS provider .. so ask them for support |
| 12:46.18 | hanibana | :-) thanks! |
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| 12:46.30 | Spektral | i can ask him to ask them yea |
| 12:46.38 | Spektral | i dont have an account myself with them though |
| 12:47.01 | Spektral | though tbh, im just taking while i wait for him to wake up, or i would of obv just reimaged it hrs ago |
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| 12:47.21 | abrotman | Spektral: Could you please try to speak English? |
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| 12:47.44 | Spektral | i dont see why a reimage , and NOT fucking with the ver wont work anyways, i dont see tons of ppl recompiling their kernels for iptables to work with a pure deb 6 64 install |
| 12:47.54 | abrotman | gives up |
| 12:47.55 | Spektral | err |
| 12:48.00 | Spektral | can u read english? |
| 12:48.12 | bga_ | ++ |
| 12:48.12 | Spektral | gives up with abrotman man as well |
| 12:48.14 | Spektral | lol |
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| 12:48.37 | pzn | I have an credit-card like A3 certificate. which package can I use in debian for digital-signing and verify signatures? |
| 12:48.41 | bga_ | can read Spektral w/o problems |
| 12:48.53 | Spektral | ty bga_ |
| 12:48.57 | Spektral | and thx for ur input |
| 12:49.02 | abrotman | !wud |
| 12:49.03 | dpkg | nun uv us wull unswer yu uf yu ask luke u murun. |
| 12:49.17 | ompaul | Spektral: you should shhhh, you have brain dumped the idea more than twice the exact same idea, you are like a record with a scratch on it. We know your "bro / friend" gave you something that they or someone else similar broke and you are going to reinstate a new version tonight your time - fantasic |
| 12:49.34 | Spektral | im guessing if u can run iptables no prob from the get go with a fresh deb 6 32 vps install, then i dont see any issues with doing it with the same thing just 64bit |
| 12:49.35 | ompaul | Spektral: end of story |
| 12:49.57 | ompaul | there is no further addition to saying it again, it is very boring |
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| 12:50.05 | Spektral | no shit, i was making convo |
| 12:50.16 | Spektral | sry if u think its annoying, wasnt my intention |
| 12:50.17 | ompaul | this is not a chat channel it is a tech support channel |
| 12:50.20 | Spektral | no need ot be rude about it |
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| 12:50.55 | Spektral | no shit, so i was talking about tech shit, and obv its a support channel, otherwise i wouldnt help ppl with questions id send them here, duur |
| 12:51.17 | Spektral | i just choose not to be rude about it |
| 12:51.26 | nkuttler | and the meta-discussion can continue in #debian-offtopic |
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| 12:54.59 | mallxs | Hi i have a pc setup with 6 Ethernet adapters, have set interfaces up for eth0 ... eth5 but ifconfig only shows eth0 upto eth3 ... is there a limit in software of a', i out of hardware resources ? |
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| 12:55.30 | mallxs | *or i'm i* |
| 12:55.54 | ompaul | mallxs: no, you may not have drivers for the others, lets start with a http://paste.debian.net of ifconfig -a |
| 12:56.00 | abrotman | mallxs: there shouldn't be |
| 12:56.03 | abrotman | also check dmesg |
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| 12:57.17 | hanibana | how to disable dialogs when installing packages? |
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| 12:58.09 | abrotman | hanibana: dpkg-reconfigure debconf |
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| 12:59.05 | hanibana | abrotman: actually I have just webmin access! so, I can't use this solution! any file configurations? |
| 12:59.33 | ompaul | hanibana: is it a vps? |
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| 13:00.14 | hanibana | no, provider forced us to use webmin! |
| 13:00.23 | abrotman | hanibana: a) I've never used webmin b) I don't recommend using webmin |
| 13:00.43 | abrotman | or if I've used it, I don't remember doing so |
| 13:00.50 | ompaul | no but it is a provided solution - I guess then your provider has to tell you how to do things |
| 13:00.58 | ompaul | if you can't do it any other way |
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| 13:02.23 | abrotman | hanibana: #webmin might know of a way |
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| 13:02.38 | mallxs | lspci does only shows 4 cards http://pastebin.com/zynWkjki if i'm correct |
| 13:02.57 | ompaul | mallxs: did you not ifconfig -a and put it into http://paste.debian.net? |
| 13:03.26 | ompaul | ahh you did |
| 13:04.47 | mallxs | http://paste.debian.net/242104/ |
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| 13:05.44 | ompaul | mallxs: so you have four interfaces - as shown by ifconfig -a - and you have an ip for each of them suggest if there is one more there lspci has not seen it |
| 13:06.05 | ompaul | mallxs: is there something additional you can tell us about the fifth one? |
| 13:06.09 | oc | I just swapped the motherboard of a (dev) server. It has a cheapo r8169 chipset. Dmesg reports that it renamed eth0 to eth1. I'd like to undo that, is there a mapping file or something somewhere that "discovers" i.e. hwaddr (mac) or something similar that I can reset? |
| 13:06.44 | abrotman | !tell oc about z70 |
| 13:06.56 | mallxs | ompaul: form the 6 1 is 1000Mb and 1 is a internal |
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| 13:07.18 | oc | abrotman: thanks, just what I was looking for & fixed :) |
| 13:07.35 | mallxs | Oops will check my bios if that internal one is enabled |
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| 13:08.14 | ompaul | mallxs: poke around for other stuff in there like accepting other slots - if any of those cards have two ports fantastic |
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| 13:08.43 | ompaul | mallxs: they should just work, the only reason one might not show up is if there is no driver cos the box can't see it |
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| 13:10.03 | mallxs | ompaul: thx will start a swap party :-) |
| 13:10.08 | ompaul | mallxs: also have a look in here: /udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rule |
| 13:10.22 | ompaul | s (its;rules) |
| 13:10.32 | ompaul | mallxs: that is in /etc |
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| 13:11.21 | ompaul | mallxs: if it was me I'd remove all the cards and get the internal one running on an ip I know about then add in the others |
| 13:11.22 | oc | hehe, seems like udev is a pita ;) two questions on it in a minute ;) |
| 13:11.39 | ompaul | oc: the answers are yes and sideways ... (just guessing) |
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| 13:13.55 | oc | well, it behaved logically in a linuxy manner - as the symptoms were obvious. why it didn't warn that the old mac / hwaddr wasn't present any longer in the system is imho the bug |
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| 13:14.08 | oc | a bug |
| 13:14.19 | ompaul | oc: most likely firmware related |
| 13:14.28 | ompaul | no firmware not there |
| 13:14.37 | abrotman | oc: it's not a bug at all, it's by design |
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| 13:15.41 | oc | well, i would expect udev to warn if it had any persistent configuration that it detected not present in a server-os. it isn't so uncommon to i.e. change the NICs in a large datacenter |
| 13:15.59 | oc | i think the design is too desktopy/laptoppy |
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| 13:16.22 | abrotman | oc: so if you added a new NIC to your server, would you want it to be randomly assigning addresses to whatever NIC it probes first? |
| 13:16.48 | oc | abrotman: no, i would like a warning if the old nic wasn't present any longer |
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| 13:17.08 | abrotman | it did tell you |
| 13:17.24 | zinx | abrotman: heck yeah, and i want them to reorder on random kernel updates too! |
| 13:17.43 | abrotman | zinx: i know, makes network troubleshooting way more fun/interesting |
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| 13:17.50 | ompaul | oc: I changed my nic maybe I should keep an eye on the box I don't want it doing things I don't want it doing --- no please protect me is more serverlike - go assign stuff - take for instance the case I had recently of disks ok motherboard toast - moved disks to identical caseing ... wires had to be applied carefully given what is facing out and what is internal, not using that is good :) |
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| 13:18.29 | ompaul | oc: server protect us from our own ideas :) |
| 13:18.41 | oc | it just told me it renamed eth0 to eth1, in that it gave me a good ptr. Perhaps the error message should just be slightly rewritten so it specifies something like "old no longer exists" |
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| 13:19.14 | abrotman | you sohuld probably know that? :) |
| 13:19.47 | abrotman | oc: file a wishlist bug if it makes you feel better .. ask for more verbose messages regarding NIC renaming and the reason for that |
| 13:19.49 | oc | now i do ;) |
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| 13:19.58 | abrotman | oc: you knew the old NIC was missing |
| 13:19.58 | ompaul | oc: it could be powered down or something else --- use case too vague feel free to post a bug after you think about it for a bit |
| 13:21.05 | opr | hi all, I've got a SATA HDD here and It's 1TB. I have a partition for my games and stuff as NTFS but I also have a partition of ext4 and swap space for my debian install, but in windows it doesn't show my ntfs partition and in the disk manager it doesn't even show me the disk, just "Disk 1" and then blank space |
| 13:22.06 | ldnblk | Is there a website that anyone can point me to that will take me through setting up the 3d desktop using compiz ? |
| 13:22.33 | zinx | not sure compiz is maintained in Debian |
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| 13:22.52 | petn-randall | opr: Can you paste the output of 'fdisk -l' to some site? |
| 13:23.27 | abrotman | zinx: it's there .. not sure about maintained |
| 13:23.40 | opr | petn-randall, http://pastie.org/6572573 |
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| 13:25.17 | zinx | abrotman: 0.8.4 is oldddd |
| 13:25.30 | petn-randall | opr: The first two are NTFS? Then the have a wrong system id. They're marked as 'SFS', not 'NTFS' |
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| 13:26.12 | babilen | zinx: Is compiz still maintained? I thought it is obsolete (haven't followed it in ages though) |
| 13:26.15 | zykotick9 | ldnblk: 1) i assume you are using squeeze (as compiz has been removed from wheezy) 2) do you have 3d support for you graphics card? 3) what graphics card is it? |
| 13:26.38 | babilen | Ah, no ... Looks as if they released a new version not too long ago. |
| 13:26.38 | opr | petn-randall, 874358784 is approximately 850GB or so, right ? |
| 13:26.44 | babilen | judd: v compiz |
| 13:26.45 | judd | Package: compiz on i386 -- lenny: 0.7.6-7; squeeze: 0.8.4-4; sid: 0.8.4-5.2; experimental: 0.9.2.1+git20110226.f059fae9-4 |
| 13:26.59 | zykotick9 | babilen: notice missing wheezy ;) |
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| 13:27.31 | babilen | zykotick9: Well, it has definitely been removed for a good reason. (either unability to maintain it properly or compiz being horribly buggy) |
| 13:27.35 | petn-randall | opr: those are blocks of 512 bytes, so roughly have of it. |
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| 13:27.53 | zykotick9 | babilen: oh, i'm not complaining ;) compiz is a waste IMO |
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| 13:28.07 | babilen | yeah, exactly |
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| 13:29.46 | opr | petn-randall, then something is weird. one sec look at this: http://i.imgur.com/7oX7Y2T.jpg |
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| 13:31.04 | abrotman | zinx: yeah, as i said, it's there :) |
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| 13:32.51 | opr | petn-randall, perhaps it's saying SFS because I did something like changing the partition type in the disk utility |
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| 13:33.21 | phaedral | did my first speech-synth installs this week; *much* better than console (ncurses?) |
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| 13:33.41 | petn-randall | opr: with what did you partition that HDD? Yes, it's probably because you changed the partition type. |
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| 13:33.56 | jeeger` | Okay, I have a network interface that has stopped working under debian (no traffic with correct ip configuration), but works under grml. I am running linux-image-3.0.0.1 or similar. It's an r8169 chip. What could be the problem? |
| 13:34.10 | opr | petn-randall, the debian installer is what I used |
| 13:34.15 | petn-randall | jeeger`: missing firmware? |
| 13:34.22 | opr | petn-randall, I'll just wait for this operation to complete or something I guess |
| 13:34.54 | petn-randall | opr: You also have a few bad sectors, you should keep an eye on that. |
| 13:34.55 | jeeger` | petn-randall: Hm, I've never had to install firmware before, but yes, that seems like a possibility. |
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| 13:35.18 | recon_lap | hi all, new to online servers and think my small vps got hacked but not sure, went to ssh into it and ssh was not running, I've managed to login but when i try start ssh i get /var/run/sshd must be owned by root and not group or world-writable. I'm logged in through a VPN on the server node. anyone able to point me in the right direction before i restore backups? |
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| 13:35.30 | kalujny | Hi guise! |
| 13:35.30 | opr | petn-randall, how do I fix them ? |
| 13:35.43 | petn-randall | jeeger`: Debian got rid of a few firmware blobs in the stock kernel. Most devices run fine without it, but some realtek cards don't. |
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| 13:36.31 | jeeger` | so what do I have to install? |
| 13:36.44 | petn-randall | jeeger`: is this squeeze? |
| 13:36.50 | jeeger` | ah, firmware-realtek. |
| 13:37.01 | jeeger` | 7.0, I think that's wheezy, right? |
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| 13:37.18 | zykotick9 | jeeger`: "dmesg | grep -i firmware" will tell you if it's missing |
| 13:37.25 | petn-randall | jeeger`: that's wheezy, yes. |
| 13:38.07 | petn-randall | opr: fdisk /dev/sdb, then press t to change the partition type. |
| 13:38.09 | kalujny | silly question: i have nvidia GPU with proprietary graphics driver on an Intel Core i5 box with 2 monitors in twinview. Whenever i switch to console using ctrl-alt-f1 my 2nd monitors go blank, and console is shown via intel HD build-in graphics. Any way i can configure the system to only use Nvidia GPU ? |
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| 13:38.42 | jeeger` | petn-randall: Ah, yes thanks. I'll have a look. I was using the r8169 driver before, so maybe that's why I ran into firmware problems |
| 13:38.44 | kalujny | i mean i found it by unplugging one of the monitors and plugging it into MB video output |
| 13:39.21 | kalujny | i`m on testing |
| 13:39.42 | opr | petn-randall, which hex code do i wanT? 7 86 or 87 |
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| 13:40.20 | petn-randall | opr: 7 |
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| 13:40.37 | tremon | kalujny: only solution I can think of is to blacklist the intel kernel module (i950 or the like, check lsmod) |
| 13:40.55 | opr | ok, petn-randall thanks for the help, going to go to windows and see if it worked. thanks again! |
| 13:41.06 | petn-randall | opr: you're welcome, any time again :) |
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| 13:41.50 | jeeger` | petn-randall: Yeah, I get the r8169 module loading firmware |
| 13:41.52 | jerd | Goood morning #debian |
| 13:41.56 | kalujny | Morning |
| 13:42.26 | jerd | I was wondering if there are any good packages in the stable repo I can take a look at for chrooting ssh users? :) |
| 13:42.46 | jeeger` | petn-randall: I wonder where the r1869 driver is coming from though. |
| 13:43.21 | jeeger` | installed it with dkms, but I think I removed it, because I wanted to use the r8168 driver that comes with the kernel. |
| 13:43.23 | petn-randall | jeeger`: I'm not sure what you mean. There's only one driver that will work with your hardware. |
| 13:43.25 | zinx | jeeger`: the kernel module is included in the kernel package |
| 13:43.41 | ldnblk | :zykotick9 how can I find out what graphics card is installed ? |
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| 13:43.54 | zinx | jeeger`: how do you know the NIC isn't working? |
| 13:43.59 | zykotick9 | ldnblk: "lspci | grep -i vga" |
| 13:44.01 | jeeger` | actually no, the r8169 driver was the one I installed with a direct download from realtek to fix intermittent connection failures. |
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| 13:44.18 | petn-randall | jeeger`: this is getting worse by the minute ... D: |
| 13:44.32 | recon_lap | new to online servers and think my small vps got hacked but not sure, went to ssh into it and ssh was not running, I've managed to login but when i try start ssh i get /var/run/sshd must be owned by root and not group or world-writable. I'm logged in through a VPN on the server node. anyone able to point me in the right direction before i restore backups? |
| 13:44.38 | zinx | jeeger`: i see... the "r8169.ko" here is packaged with Debian's kernel package |
| 13:44.41 | jeeger` | petn-randall: Hehe, yeah. I upgraded the kernel and it's working right now. I'll try and transfer some data |
| 13:44.45 | jeeger` | ah, okay. Thanks! |
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| 13:45.13 | Daniel15 | jeeger`: Not sure which device you have, but for what it's worth, I had to manually install the r8168 driver for my onboard networking in Ubuntu |
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| 13:45.15 | n_np | hello i have a squeeze guest in libvirtd, i was just wondering- what must i do to get it to have a static ip? |
| 13:45.28 | Daniel15 | Ubuntu came with the r8169 driver which caused intermittent connection issues |
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| 13:45.48 | jeeger` | Daniel15: Funny, for me it was the other way round. |
| 13:46.07 | Daniel15 | Mine is a "Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8111/8168B PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet controller" |
| 13:46.12 | Towzzer | the r8168 driver from realtek is very good |
| 13:46.30 | Towzzer | the auto installer replaces the r8169 that comes with the kernel |
| 13:46.57 | jeeger` | Hm, I seem to remember that the realtek driver was called r8169 in my case. Strange. |
| 13:47.02 | ldnblk | :zykotick9 its an Intel sandy bridge integrated graphics controller (rev 09) |
| 13:47.17 | jeeger` | ah, no. You are right. |
| 13:47.49 | zykotick9 | ldnblk: i see. well, i'm unable to help you further then. (i don't know anything about these new intel graphics) good luck. |
| 13:48.35 | zykotick9 | ldnblk: just curious, does "lscpi -v | grep -i vga" list 2 cards? |
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| 13:49.26 | opr | petn-randall: hey I've gone back to windoes and it says "Disk 1 Dynamic Invalid" |
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| 13:50.17 | ldnblk | :Zykotick9 nope. |
| 13:50.42 | zykotick9 | ldnblk: ok. fyi, you can use tab to autocomplete nicks in irc. saves a lot of typing. |
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| 13:51.57 | ldnblk | :zykotick I Am on my android phone |
| 13:52.19 | zykotick9 | ldnblk: fyi, i wouldn't expect the greatest compiz performance with intel graphics YMMV |
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| 14:03.14 | jerd | What is option called to have multiple 'shells' over one ssh connection? I know I'm probably sound like a noob and I am, but I can't remember the terminology and want to read about it :) |
| 14:04.08 | jerd | Or like this: I have a ssh connection, how can I have multiple windows? |
| 14:04.33 | ompaul | jerd: Your new question says tmux or screen |
| 14:04.42 | ompaul | is the answer the first one wasn't a question :) |
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| 14:06.07 | zykotick9 | jerd: the term is "terminal multiplexer" ;) |
| 14:06.07 | jerd | ompaul: I don't think tmux is what I mean. Let me try it again ;) I have a single ssh connection, can have multiple virtual consoles? I hope this is more clear :) |
| 14:06.23 | jerd | zykotick9: See my line just above yours :) |
| 14:06.35 | petn-randall | jerd: you want to use 'screen', maybe? |
| 14:06.37 | ompaul | jerd: try screen - tmux does a similar job |
| 14:06.47 | zykotick9 | jerd: tmux would allow multiple terminals through one ssh connection? that's what it's for? |
| 14:06.53 | ompaul | jerd: screen is a command, as is, tmux |
| 14:07.02 | jerd | Ohh |
| 14:07.08 | phaedral | thought screen had security holes |
| 14:07.12 | ompaul | jerd: your question as specified is answered by both of those options. |
| 14:07.31 | petn-randall | phaedral: which ones specifically? |
| 14:07.33 | jerd | Ok! Thanks, I will read about it :) |
| 14:07.33 | ompaul | phaedral: and you have access to root on your own box, go root your own computer, it's in an ssh session. :) |
| 14:08.05 | phaedral | can't recall where, just got idea shouldn't run root in screen; happy to stand down if wrong |
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| 14:08.28 | ompaul | phaedral: all things are dangerous, the question is how much. |
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| 14:08.55 | kalujny | guys another question please. How do i make pbuilder not quit after make fails so i can poke around? |
| 14:08.56 | phaedral | ompaul: indeed; physical security, "food and fire safety first" |
| 14:09.04 | phaedral | but root in screen is not best practices? |
| 14:09.15 | kalujny | or how to initiate build from inside of it once i logged in |
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| 14:11.50 | ldnblk | Is there a website that anyone can point me to that will take me through setting up the 3d desktop using compiz ? How can I find out if my Intel sandy bridge graphics card will work with compiz ? |
| 14:12.11 | abrotman | one would think the compiz website would have docs? |
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| 14:15.30 | zykotick9 | ldnblk: if you are using gnome, be sure to install compiz-gnome |
| 14:15.32 | jerd | ompaul, zykotick9, petn-randall: screen is exactly what I needed! Thank you very much <3 |
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| 14:17.16 | ldnblk | :zykotick9 its already installed thanks. |
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| 14:27.29 | Night_Elf | Hello all. I have been looking for some information on how to establish a sort of "interface bonding" with two (these are GSM/3G usb sticks). Most of what I can find online is about ethernet bonding. Where can I find some good info on usb mobile modems (potentially from different carrier/providers) bonding, in such a way that the user doesn't care which or how many of them are currently at use? |
| 14:27.43 | mallxs | ompaul: where can o find a read about 70-persistent-net.rule ? |
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| 14:30.50 | ldnblk | :abrotman oops just seen your message . I will check it out. Thanks. |
| 14:31.28 | ompaul | dpkg tell mallxs about z70 |
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| 14:34.01 | HardDisk_WP | hey |
| 14:34.03 | mallxs | thx |
| 14:34.28 | HardDisk_WP | anyone here who knows how to restore a LSI SAS1068 raid? |
| 14:34.42 | HardDisk_WP | apparently the controller didnt like me exchanging the battery, the config is lost |
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| 14:34.59 | HardDisk_WP | No cd-rom drive, so all I can do is netbooting |
| 14:35.17 | ompaul | HardDisk_WP: seriously, that's what hardware docs are for ime |
| 14:35.31 | HardDisk_WP | but I'd rather avoid having to setup a netboot server -.- |
| 14:35.47 | Night_Elf | HardDisk_WP: It was a hardware, or software daid ? |
| 14:35.49 | HardDisk_WP | ompaul, hardware docs? :D the machine is a "grown setup" :D |
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| 14:36.03 | HardDisk_WP | Night_Elf, hardware-based |
| 14:36.06 | Night_Elf | raid* |
| 14:37.01 | Night_Elf | HardDisk_WP: Usually there must be some sort of utility from the harware guys (LSI in this case) about reconstructing/recovering raid volumes. I think. |
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| 14:37.04 | HardDisk_WP | the problem is, all four disks show up in the SAS topology view, and I have no idea how the disks were set up before |
| 14:37.06 | HardDisk_WP | ok |
| 14:37.33 | ompaul | http://www.lsi.com/products/storagecomponents/Pages/LSISAS1068E.aspx |
| 14:37.53 | ompaul | HardDisk_WP: just like us - it's ^^ a hardware issue |
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| 14:39.20 | Prottey | To be verbose: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=515867#27 |
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| 14:41.22 | HardDisk_WP | hm looks like i have to set up a netboot-host first -...- |
| 14:41.51 | ompaul | Prottey: that bug is out of date so much that it is an unsupported derivation |
| 14:42.02 | ompaul | derivation ... wrong word |
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| 14:43.22 | Prottey | ompaul: yet there is no hyphenation package for Russian since then |
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| 14:44.45 | ompaul | Prottey: feel free to fix it, you have the tools at your disposal. |
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| 14:45.45 | BlAd373 | hi at all |
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| 14:46.37 | Prottey | well, I did a version of the package... sort of |
| 14:47.17 | Prottey | I'd write an ITP request, but I haven't the time to maintain a package, at least for now |
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| 14:48.50 | ompaul | interest / (time not available) = time wasted |
| 14:50.30 | Prottey | Well, what I do now is I'm asking for someone to check my, well, version, if it is legit and well-formed. |
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| 14:59.44 | Daniel15 | Why does libexif-dev have a dependency on jQuery? o_O |
| 14:59.53 | Daniel15 | http://packages.debian.org/sid/libexif-dev |
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| 15:09.24 | ompaul | Daniel15: file a bug if you are not happy with it I guess |
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| 15:09.54 | n2diy | Recommendations for an HTML editor? Iceweasel is my browser, and I'd prefer not to install iceape. |
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| 15:10.25 | ompaul | n2diy: bluefish |
| 15:10.48 | jpinx | n2diy: depends on your skill level -- you can use any text editor |
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| 15:17.52 | Daniel15 | ompaul: I just think it's kinda odd that a C/C++ library has a dependency on a JavaScript library that it probably doesn't use |
| 15:18.19 | n2diy | jpinx, roger that. Like learning new apps. So, Bluefish it is, thanks ompaul. |
| 15:19.19 | ompaul | Daniel15: as I said, if it bugs you file a bug for the maintainer (maybe the js is needless and it can be repackaged for jessie) but it won't happen until you file it |
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| 15:19.42 | ompaul | Daniel15: it does look strange but I'm not overly concerned |
| 15:19.52 | Daniel15 | Thanks, I'll do that tomorrow (2:19 AM here so I'm going to bed soon). |
| 15:21.10 | ompaul | Daniel15: leave a note beside the keyboard :) |
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| 15:22.28 | jpinx | n2diy: you might like to try scite |
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| 15:24.09 | n2diy | jpinx, I'll take a look at it, thanks. |
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| 15:41.51 | Theoden | http://i.imgur.com/kxOVHRx.jpg |
| 15:42.24 | babilen | Theoden: yes? |
| 15:42.35 | Theoden | Hello |
| 15:42.40 | babilen | hello |
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| 15:45.26 | krisfremen | Theoden: you're supposed to leave now... you said your hellos and all *stares* |
| 15:46.49 | Theoden | krisfremen: Never! ;) |
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| 15:55.14 | nyuszika7h | hi, does anyone know if CVE-2012-5533 is patched in Debian wheezy's lighttpd (1.4.31-3)? |
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| 15:55.49 | nyuszika7h | oh, I see it is |
| 15:55.55 | petn-randall | nyuszika7h: check the changelog, it should be mentioned there |
| 15:55.59 | tremon | !cve lookup CVE-2012-5533 |
| 15:55.59 | dpkg | Information about the security advisory CVE-2012-5533 may be found at http://security-tracker.debian.org/tracker/CVE-2012-5533 |
| 15:56.13 | nyuszika7h | wheezy 1.4.31-3 fixed |
| 15:56.21 | petn-randall | yay |
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| 16:04.06 | nicoparker | small question with kvm : how to simply forward 1 port of the host to a guest (ssh for example, 2222 on host to 22 on guest)? |
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| 16:05.19 | nicoparker | I tried this one but didn't work : iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -d xx.xx.xx.xx -p tcp --dport 2222 -j DNAT --to-destination 192.168.112.39:22 |
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| 16:07.48 | nicoparker | oh one detail : I'm on NAT networking on the guest |
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| 16:10.22 | tremon | does the host know how to reach 192.168.112.39? |
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| 16:10.44 | tremon | I haven't done nat networking with kvm, but nat in general requires that the host has two network interfaces (one on the virtual side), two configured network addresses (again, one on the virtual side) and ip_forwarding set to 1. |
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| 16:12.20 | nicoparker | tremon: i think you got it! ip_forwarding |
| 16:12.40 | nicoparker | let's try that |
| 16:13.50 | nicoparker | hmm ip_forwarding is enabled |
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| 16:15.04 | tremon | ok, it should have been if regular network traffic is already possible from the client. Should have been my first question :) |
| 16:15.21 | tremon | so: does the client already have working network access? |
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| 16:15.52 | nicoparker | tremon: yep it's working fine, can access the internet (normal nat) |
| 16:17.18 | ldnblk | does anyone know how to find what driver my graphics card is using ? |
| 16:17.31 | nicoparker | strange stuff is I have two new nets on the host : virbr0 (192.168.122.xx, the guest's network) and vnet0 without ip |
| 16:18.06 | tremon | good, then my previous question wasn't necessary. can you paste ip -s ad and iptables -L on the host? |
| 16:18.23 | nicoparker | hmm can't ping the guest from the host |
| 16:18.26 | nicoparker | yep sure |
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| 16:18.59 | mtn | ldnblk: I think you would want to read your xorg.log |
| 16:19.20 | tremon | ldnblk: it's in /var/log/Xorg.*.log |
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| 16:20.34 | tremon | nicoparker: I think we also need iptables -t nat -L, normal -L will not list the nat tables |
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| 16:22.08 | nicoparker | dafuq iceweasel is crashing when submitting on posatebin :/ |
| 16:22.24 | tremon | try paste.debian.net :) |
| 16:22.30 | nicoparker | k :) |
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| 16:25.55 | nicoparker | http://paste.debian.net/242137/ |
| 16:26.42 | ldnblk | :tremon what should I be looking for ? as I am looking for the correct information to put into the xorg.conf file |
| 16:27.09 | tremon | nicoparker: is the 112 vs 122 a typo in irc or in your iptables rule? |
| 16:27.25 | nicoparker | typo |
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| 16:27.49 | mtn | ldnblk: so, you want to know what driver your card wants to use? |
| 16:28.13 | ldnblk | :mtn yes correct |
| 16:28.21 | ompaul | ldnblk: are you using squeeze? |
| 16:28.23 | tremon | ldnblk: X autodetects it, if the correct driver is already listed in Xorg.log there is no need to put it in xorg.conf |
| 16:28.29 | mtn | ldnblk: well, do you know what card it is? |
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| 16:28.45 | tremon | so the information in the log will not help you, I think |
| 16:29.28 | ldnblk | :tremon I am using squeeze |
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| 16:29.47 | nicoparker | tremon: the good ip is 192.168.122.139, the prerouting rule is good |
| 16:29.57 | ompaul | ldnblk: you have sandy or ivy bridge? |
| 16:29.58 | tremon | nicoparker: do the report-unreachable rules in your forward chain actually produce a log somewhere? just to rule that out (it shouldn't reject, based on forward rule #1) |
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| 16:30.38 | nicoparker | tremon: hu very good question |
| 16:30.43 | ldnblk | :tremon I did not have an xorg.conf file so I have copied one from the examples directory, |
| 16:30.48 | nicoparker | where should i look for that? |
| 16:30.53 | ompaul | ldnblk: please answer the question it is very simple, do you have sandy bridge or ivy bridge ? |
| 16:31.13 | ldnblk | :mtn its an intel sandy bridge card |
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| 16:31.26 | ompaul | ldnblk: http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ is the answer to getting not a black screen |
| 16:31.36 | ompaul | it is a backported debian kernel |
| 16:31.55 | tremon | nicoparker: I'm not sure, the output looks a bit mangled. maybe -L -v will tell you more, but report-unreachable looks like a custom table, not something standard |
| 16:32.09 | tremon | at least not iptables-standard, maybe you're using some predefined ruleset that I don't know |
| 16:32.16 | nicoparker | tremon: should I drop this rule? |
| 16:32.17 | ompaul | wanders off |
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| 16:32.33 | tremon | normally, iptables logs are simply in /var/log/kern.log and in dmesg |
| 16:33.14 | tremon | nicoparker: you can drop it for now, it's not like your ruleset is blocking anything else :) |
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| 16:33.23 | nicoparker | tremon: hehe |
| 16:33.38 | nicoparker | the -L -v doesn't give anything much |
| 16:34.03 | ldnblk | ompaul whats this webpage for ? I am only trying to get the 3d compiz desktop working. |
| 16:34.06 | tremon | your -t nat -L isn't showing the dnat rule you posted above (:2222 -> 22) |
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| 16:34.40 | mtn | ldnblk: you need a newer kernel and can get it from backports: http://wiki.debian.org/Backports |
| 16:35.11 | ompaul | ldnblk: that's not really going to work you were told compiz is not maintained many hours ago |
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| 16:35.30 | nicoparker | tremon: I talked about ssh as an example. Shame on me I'm trying to forward rdp (tcp 3389) :D |
| 16:35.50 | tremon | nicoparker: tsk :) |
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| 16:36.21 | MaddinXx | is there a list/tutorial/knowledge base of what files/packages etc. can be deleted to create a minimal template? I'm wondering since I've created a minimal debian wheezy one for OpenVZ but it's still 114MB in size where other minimal squeeze are e.g. 75MB |
| 16:36.25 | tremon | nicoparker: I don't see anything in your ruleset that looks wrong to me |
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| 16:36.41 | ldnblk | :ompaul just because its not maintained , does that mean that it no longer works any more ? |
| 16:36.42 | MaddinXx | and I've used min_base as base in debootstrap |
| 16:37.27 | tremon | nicoparker: is the rdp port reachable from the host machine? |
| 16:37.29 | nicoparker | tremon: I'm wondering if I just configured the guest in a good way... |
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| 16:38.18 | ompaul | ldnblk: it means that interest in it is minimal and finding people with the knowledge of how it interacts with the system you have is going to be slim I suggest the mailing list rather than irc |
| 16:38.25 | ompaul | broader audience |
| 16:38.27 | ompaul | !ask |
| 16:38.27 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
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| 16:39.36 | tremon | MaddinXx: depends on how minimal you want to go. stripping debug symbols, removing documentation will produce a smaller image but will make the base image less useful |
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| 16:41.45 | nicoparker | what would you choose in there? http://hpics.li/e78328a |
| 16:41.53 | MaddinXx | tremon: it should be "useful minimal", yes. e.g. I've installed packages like iptables, psutils etc (things that are required for me) - but it's just that the other one does have all of this as well and I can not get nearly to it's size - and I think wheezy isn't that much larger than squeeze base? |
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| 16:46.13 | tremon | nicoparker: I'm not familiar with most of those options; I'm using here is vlan tagging with virtual bridging, so the routing part isn't handled by my vhosts |
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| 16:47.15 | nicoparker | got a pb with bridging, i think it's not working out of the box |
| 16:47.39 | nicoparker | that's sad because that would be the best for me. Start a server, directly accessible. |
| 16:48.21 | tremon | nicoparker: however, any of them should work. port forwarding is much easier to do if you don't nat, but not impossible |
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| 16:48.42 | tremon | like I said, your iptables config looks ok to me |
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| 16:49.13 | tremon | can you get any other service running on the client (e.g. an ssh or telnet server) for debugging purposes? |
| 16:50.16 | nicoparker | tremon: hmm I'll try so start a webserver to check |
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| 16:50.28 | shwouchk_ | Hello |
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| 16:51.12 | nicoparker | tremon: something's really weird anyway, can't ping guest or access 3389 |
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| 16:51.59 | shwouchk_ | I have an embedded system (NAS) with a very old version of debian installed, which I'm trying to slowly upgrade to stable. However, many of the packages I get in aptitude are from debian unstable. Can I somehow restrict automatically to stable? |
| 16:53.04 | nicoparker | tremon: ok no sorry, can't ping but 3389 answers and opens |
| 16:53.54 | tremon | ok, so the guest is configured correctly |
| 16:54.57 | tremon | shwouchk_: paste your sources.list (and anything in sources.list.d) and the output of apt-cache policy. Short answer: set apt::Default-Release |
| 16:55.32 | shwouchk_ | tremon: apt::Default-Release is lenny here |
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| 16:55.52 | Juzzy | I have a nat issue on a linux box, I'm on local.10 hitting my loadbalancer/net dmz and it proxies down to an apache server, but the apache server is replying directly to my server instead of going back through the dmz/nat |
| 16:55.56 | tremon | shwouchk_: then it shouldn't pull in anything else unless lenny doesn't exist anymore in your sources.list |
| 16:56.05 | Juzzy | so it seem nat is not encapsulating my src ip correctly, or linux is bring too smart |
| 16:56.09 | shwouchk_ | tremon: I see |
| 16:56.09 | tremon | shwouchk_: change it to wheezy for current stable |
| 16:56.21 | tremon | errm, sorry: squeeze |
| 16:56.26 | shwouchk_ | tremon: is squeeze the stable version? |
| 16:56.28 | Juzzy | I've disaled the rp_filter stuff, but it's still not working, if anyone has any ideas |
| 16:56.28 | shwouchk_ | ah |
| 16:56.30 | shwouchk_ | :) |
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| 16:57.13 | tremon | nicoparker: at this point I'm out of suggestions. You may try asking #networking, or lurk here, maybe someone else can help you further along |
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| 16:58.16 | nicoparker | tremon: thanks a lot for your help anyway! |
| 16:58.33 | nicoparker | tremon: i guess i should try to find a kvm chan :) |
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| 17:01.01 | shwouchk_ | tremon: The one thing I'm not sure of is how to set apt::Default-Release. I know I saw it somewhere previously today (which is why I knew it was lenny), but don't know where. Also Here's apt-cache policy if you care to take a look |
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| 17:03.22 | tremon | !paste |
| 17:03.22 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>. |
| 17:03.40 | tremon | shwouchk_: it's somewhere in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d, use grep |
| 17:04.00 | shwouchk_ | tremon: found it, it is /etc/apt/apt.conf |
| 17:04.15 | shwouchk_ | tremon: I already pasted, just forgot to put the url |
| 17:04.22 | shwouchk_ | http://nopaste.info/bcc7c52017.html |
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| 17:13.07 | Iridos | nicoparker, so you didn't choose "NAT" in the virtualbox setting? |
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| 17:18.27 | tremon | shwouchk_: as you can see from the policy output, you have both squeeze and wheezy in your sources. since neither of them is your default release (lenny), they have equal priority. If you re-run it after changing the apt.conf.d file, it should now put wheezy at priority 990 |
| 17:18.48 | tremon | (or squeeze, depending on which one you chose) |
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| 17:20.02 | tremon | Iridos: he did, but we couldn't get port forwarding (dnat) to work properly |
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| 17:20.38 | Iridos | actually, I did setup a virtualbox only yesterday... chose the nat option and ... it's a bit of a puzzler how that works |
| 17:21.04 | Iridos | (on wheezy) there's no additional network device, no additional route, but still the virtual machine has network |
| 17:21.17 | Iridos | let me try adding a port forwarding rule myself... |
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| 17:21.44 | Iridos | well, of course... I guess all this is not needed... virtualbox is a program and it can just do any connection to outside itself |
| 17:22.23 | Iridos | wonders what port one could forward to windows.... perhaps easier to set up another VM with a linux guest with netcat |
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| 17:30.05 | nicoparker | Iridos: I did! |
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| 17:32.36 | nicoparker | Iridos: I think I managed to make it work on Virtualbox once, through an obscure commande line. But here with kvm no way... |
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| 17:32.54 | nicoparker | maybe I should swith back to virtualbox... |
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| 17:36.40 | educr0w | Hello, which is the diff of installing apt-get instal xorg and apt-get install xserver-xorg-core ? |
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| 17:37.17 | nicoparker | probably the second one is a dependancy of the first? or worg is a metapackage with the other inside? |
| 17:37.27 | nicoparker | *xorg |
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| 17:38.45 | blubberdiblub | is anyone aware of a command line javascript/ecmascript linter as debian package? my naive apt-cache searches weren't fruitful |
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| 17:39.19 | educr0w | ok thank you nicoparker |
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| 17:41.07 | nicoparker | educr0w: just guessing |
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| 17:47.10 | bga_ | blubberdiblub node.js or spidermoney + jslint/jshint |
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| 17:50.09 | debianN00b | is there any way i can upgrade few application of KDE please? |
| 17:50.36 | debianN00b | i want to upgrade ksnapshot ... But i don't see the way |
| 17:51.35 | calbasi | I don't undestand your question... |
| 17:52.02 | calbasi | you could do it with synaptic, for example... |
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| 17:52.27 | blubberdiblub | bga_, well, i was looking for a purely debian package solution |
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| 17:53.51 | acu_ | how can I make screenshot using print screen key in KDE desktop? |
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| 17:54.40 | debianN00b | calbasi, saying to me? |
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| 17:55.30 | debianN00b | acu_, ksnapshot not working? |
| 17:55.42 | calbasi | yes |
| 17:55.43 | debianN00b | it just crashes when saving |
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| 17:56.18 | debianN00b | calbasi, perhaps i can't upgrade if there is no backport? I am using wheezy |
| 17:56.25 | calbasi | Noob, are you using stable, testing o sid? |
| 17:56.44 | debianN00b | testing |
| 17:56.51 | debianN00b | wheezy 7 |
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| 17:57.12 | calbasi | ok... I suppose you have last vestion in wheezy, haven't you? |
| 17:57.21 | acu_ | debianN00b, it is working , but I have to open the application to make the screenshot. I would like to just use the key board like I did in gnome |
| 17:57.26 | debianN00b | yeah, i just download two days ago |
| 17:58.00 | calbasi | You could reinstall it... |
| 17:58.11 | debianN00b | the ksnapshot? |
| 17:58.14 | debianN00b | i did |
| 17:58.21 | debianN00b | still it crashes |
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| 17:58.28 | debianN00b | when saving ! |
| 17:58.44 | calbasi | But, to upgrade, you must wait for a upgradable wheezy version... (or backports... or pinning from sid...) |
| 17:58.55 | debianN00b | acu_, i am using kde for long... But i did not use keyboard to capture screen yet :) |
| 17:59.04 | acu_ | debianN00b, no , in gnome it was a different app |
| 17:59.23 | calbasi | I use Gnome... and Stable ;-) |
| 17:59.28 | calbasi | It rules ;-) |
| 17:59.36 | debianN00b | rules ? |
| 17:59.38 | debianN00b | huh? |
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| 18:00.00 | calbasi | gnome print screen runs... |
| 18:00.08 | calbasi | (my English is not good :-p ) |
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| 18:00.29 | alexmagni | ciao |
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| 18:00.45 | alexmagni | !list |
| 18:00.45 | dpkg | alexmagni: vedi http://packages.debian.org/ |
| 18:00.46 | MaddinXx | wow. I just discovered that I have hundreds of pty and tty devices in my / (see http://cl.ly/image/072T1H0I340x) - I installed makedev to create devices on startup due to errors sometime (PTY allocation request failed on channel 0".... should I worry about those devices there? feels strange |
| 18:00.52 | debianN00b | is there any other capturing tool (alternative of ksnapshot) ? |
| 18:01.01 | calbasi | no idea ;-) |
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| 18:02.38 | petn-randall | MaddinXx: I think you can safely unlink them. |
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| 18:04.18 | MaddinXx | petn-randall: I'll give it a try. but question is also: is it a problem to have them their? I expect that makedev will create them over and over... so if it's not a risk/problem I can live with that |
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| 18:06.12 | petn-randall | MaddinXx: if makedev creates them, it's surely wrongly configured. |
| 18:06.47 | petn-randall | MaddinXx: I can imagine that you just tested one of the CLI tools and created them by accident. They will stay there even after reboot. |
| 18:07.35 | petn-randall | MaddinXx: they should all be created in /dev, where they belong. |
| 18:08.30 | petn-randall | MaddinXx: also, makedev is deprecated in favour of udev. |
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| 18:10.15 | MaddinXx | petn-randall: recreated after reboot, but I'm going to drop it. thanks a lot for the hint with udev |
| 18:12.13 | petn-randall | MaddinXx: you're welcome, have fun |
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| 18:13.44 | MaddinXx | petn-randall: have a good one too, very kind. thx |
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| 18:20.06 | worm_ | Hi, if anyone has any idea about this question : http://serverfault.com/questions/488460/mail-is-marked-as-spam-although-spf-and-dkim-pass let me know please |
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| 18:22.07 | Iridos | nicoparker, oh, and I haven't tried that myself... but in virtualbox there's an option where you can enable "remote display" and I think while it's convenient to run virtualbox inside X, you can also do something like /usr/lib/virtualbox/VirtualBox --comment win7 --startvm a5195519-bd27-12b5-b89a-85a555ddf686 --no-startvm-errormsgbox (which is the line I see in ps aux, dunno exactly how to get the id string, though) |
| 18:22.09 | Iridos | <--- gone |
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| 18:27.31 | nicoparker | Iridos: actually the pb is not to access the guest's display, but to offer some of its services on the internet (windows specific shit that cannot run in linux) |
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| 18:31.45 | ge | Good Evening! I have one drive in my computer: sda. When I do "fdisk -l" it nicely lists all my partitions: sda1, sda2 etc. But it also lists a bunch of crap like dm-0, dm-1 etc. What is that? |
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| 18:35.18 | kresp0 | ge, that is LVM |
| 18:35.30 | ge | twist3d: yes |
| 18:36.07 | kresp0 | I'm trying to use tinc v 1.0.13-1 (debian squeeze version) but the daemon doesnt start at all. Here are the config and logs: http://pastebin.com/S4AGugMw |
| 18:36.09 | ge | kresp0: ah, yes! |
| 18:36.11 | ge | kresp0: thanks! |
| 18:36.13 | kresp0 | With debug 5: http://pastebin.com/MZUdEcnj |
| 18:36.15 | kresp0 | np ;) |
| 18:36.20 | kresp0 | What should I try to debug (or fix) this? |
| 18:36.45 | reavengrey | !tell reavengrey about firedfox |
| 18:36.46 | reavengrey | !tell reavengrey about firefox |
| 18:36.57 | reavengrey | !tell reavengrey about firefox |
| 18:37.20 | ksuhku | reavengrey, next time /msg dpkg <keyword> |
| 18:37.28 | reavengrey | kk |
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| 18:42.40 | babilen | reavengrey: http://mozilla.debian.net |
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| 18:43.25 | xzgv | hi everybody, i need an app similar to fbrun, i can't find it in the repos... |
| 18:44.02 | xzgv | iowm a run box |
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| 18:46.22 | xzgv | anybody? |
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| 18:47.49 | babilen | xzgv: fbrun is in the fluxbox package (apt-file search -x "bin/fbrun$") |
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| 18:51.00 | mrtux | Hi |
| 18:51.08 | mrtux | I have linux kernel 3.7.1 on debian wheezy |
| 18:51.16 | mrtux | and I am trying to install virtualbox |
| 18:51.28 | mrtux | when I run it it asks me to install the kernel modules for 3.7.1 |
| 18:51.32 | mrtux | but it's not there. |
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| 18:51.35 | kalujny | 3.7.1? :O |
| 18:51.39 | mrtux | yes |
| 18:51.41 | mrtux | i compiled it. |
| 18:51.45 | jelly-home | mrtux: what's not there? |
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| 18:51.54 | mrtux | linux-headers-3.7.1 |
| 18:52.09 | jelly-home | mrtux: where are your headers then? |
| 18:52.15 | mrtux | idk |
| 18:52.32 | jelly-home | mrtux: where's the source tree you built the kernel in? |
| 18:52.49 | mrtux | I deleted it. |
| 18:52.54 | mrtux | took up too much space |
| 18:52.55 | nmeum | ... |
| 18:52.55 | babilen | … |
| 18:53.00 | dvs | ... |
| 18:53.03 | mrtux | what. |
| 18:53.07 | babilen | hehe |
| 18:53.15 | jelly-home | mrtux: then, there's no way to get those exact headers back |
| 18:53.19 | mrtux | ok. |
| 18:53.33 | kalujny | good idea to get a stock kernel |
| 18:53.36 | mrtux | What's wheezy's current kernel version then? |
| 18:53.41 | mrtux | I'll install that. |
| 18:53.43 | babilen | mrtux: You need the kernel headers if you want to compile out of tree modules. As you deleted your source tree you have to recompile the kernel (and generate headers this time too) |
| 18:53.44 | kalujny | 3.2.0.4 |
| 18:53.47 | jelly-home | ,kernels |
| 18:53.48 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 3.8-trunk-686-pae (3.8.2-1~experimental.1); sid: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.39-2); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.39-2); squeeze-backports: 3.2.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.2.35-2~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-48squeeze1); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-35~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-29) |
| 18:53.54 | jelly-home | kalujny: not really |
| 18:54.08 | babilen | mrtux: Why did you compile your own kernel? Did you follow http://kernel-handbook.alioth.debian.org/ch-common-tasks.html ? |
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| 18:54.26 | mrtux | I was on squeeze at the time and the kernel was so old. |
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| 18:54.44 | mrtux | (in my opinion) |
| 18:54.49 | ehu | ran 'apt-get update ; apt-get upgrade' today. It updated libvirt-qemu and libvirt-bin. Now I have an issue with 'virsh start <guest>' not being able to open /dev/kvm. Do you have that too? |
| 18:54.59 | babilen | mrtux: First and foremost: You can almost always install a kernel from backports. Would you mind using the standard kernel that comes with Debian wheezy? |
| 18:55.04 | nmeum | mrtux: use archlinux if you want to get cutting edge linux kernel versions :p |
| 18:55.13 | mrtux | I use archlinux at home. :p |
| 18:55.16 | jelly-home | nmeum: please don't do that. |
| 18:55.24 | nmeum | why? |
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| 18:55.42 | nmeum | recommending another linux distro= |
| 18:55.43 | nmeum | ? |
| 18:55.44 | hetOrakel | hi, any curl experts inhere? |
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| 18:55.57 | mrtux | #curl |
| 18:56.04 | jelly-home | nmeum: you're in #debian and a need for a newer kernel can be satisfied without changing distros. |
| 18:56.15 | babilen | mrtux: If that is fine with you I would recommend to simply install the linxu-image-amd64 and linux-headers-amd64 metapackages from wheezy (or 686-pae if you use that, or another architecgure) -- If you need (really? why?) a newer kernel you can pull 3.8 from experimental. |
| 18:56.34 | babilen | *architecture |
| 18:56.43 | babilen | jelly-home: Thanks for pointing that out to nmeum |
| 18:56.46 | nmeum | jelly-home: yes, I just wanted to point out that debian doesn't have the latest version of all software in the repos, but ok I won't do that again ;) |
| 18:56.50 | hetOrakel | mrtux: thx ;) |
| 18:57.09 | mrtux | hetOrakel, np. |
| 18:57.23 | babilen | nmeum: the 3.8 kernel might not be the absolute latest, but AFAICT it is pretty recent ;) |
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| 18:57.51 | mrtux | I'm an arch user so I like newer stuff, but I think debian is better for servers in my opinion. |
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| 18:58.32 | nmeum | babilen: 3.8 is only shipped with sid, isn't it? |
| 18:58.51 | babilen | mrtux: Lets not have this discussion. It is quite easy to have the latest-and-greatest on Debian as well. The problem is that you can't have both, a stable (that is "not changing") distribution that also always has the newest software. |
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| 18:59.31 | nmeum | babilen: what debian variant are you using? |
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| 18:59.33 | babilen | nmeum: It has been uploaded to experimental as we are in freeze in preparation for the release. It is typically no problem to install a newer kernel from other branches. |
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| 18:59.46 | jelly-home | nmeum: sid never gets shipped anywhere |
| 18:59.57 | nmeum | jelly-home: I am aware of that |
| 19:00.00 | babilen | nmeum: I am running unstable, but I wouldn't necessarily recommend it. |
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| 19:00.02 | jelly-home | he's grounded |
| 19:00.05 | babilen | anyway, lets move on |
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| 19:00.33 | psichas | hm, where is trash in debian? in /home/[user]/.local/share i don;t see it |
| 19:01.26 | babilen | psichas: /home/babilen/.local/share/Trash IIRC |
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| 19:01.36 | babilen | well, not /home/babilen :) |
| 19:01.45 | nmeum | may I ask another question regarding the previous topic: Let's assume I want to have a newer kernel on my debian wheezy machine what would be the recommend way to achieve that? Compiling the kernel myself? |
| 19:01.50 | psichas | :))) |
| 19:02.33 | mrtux | What is the package name for the latest kernel on wheezy? |
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| 19:02.53 | babilen | nmeum: As mentioned before: You can pull 3.8 from experimental |
| 19:02.57 | Motafoca | anyone good with iproute2? been stuck on a routing problem for hours |
| 19:03.11 | babilen | judd: v linux-image-3.8-trunk-amd64 |
| 19:03.12 | judd | Package: linux-image-3.8-trunk-amd64 on i386 -- experimental: 3.8.2-1~experimental.1 |
| 19:03.16 | babilen | nmeum: ^^ |
| 19:03.30 | babilen | Motafoca: ##networking comes to mind |
| 19:03.39 | Motafoca | babilen, tried, no one answers |
| 19:03.40 | Motafoca | lol |
| 19:03.50 | nmeum | babilen: by adding the experimental repo to my /etc/apt/sources.list? |
| 19:04.13 | olivier | Hi there, when I try the command to remove package from debian multimedia, I get: dpkg: error: --remove needs at least one package name argument |
| 19:04.14 | babilen | Motafoca: It is also typically a good idea to simply ask your question. Provide as much information as possible and use a pastebin to show commands, output and files. |
| 19:04.26 | Motafoca | yea |
| 19:05.14 | babilen | nmeum: yes, that would be necessary. Please /be warned/ that experimental is, in fact, experimental and that we make no guarantee about packages in there. That being said: The kernel packages are typically quite alright and the situation is a bit different right now due to the freeze. See also <experimental> |
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| 19:05.42 | olivier | the command is the one provided by the dpkg-bot... |
| 19:05.44 | babilen | Motafoca: (and don't use pastebin.com, but a better pastebin such as http://paste.debian.net http://paste.ubuntu.com http://refheap.com) |
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| 19:06.16 | babilen | olivier: Could you show us that command and the exact output on http://paste.debian.net ? Please include your sources.list and the output of "apt-cache policy" too |
| 19:06.32 | mrtux | What is the package name for the latest kernel on wheezy? |
| 19:06.35 | mrtux | anyone? |
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| 19:07.20 | olivier | babilen: http://pastebin.com/feK115vz |
| 19:07.28 | Motafoca | guys, i need to make this routing, i did an image to help http://i864.photobucket.com/albums/ab202/jamescoggan/network_zpsed478087.png and here are my iproute lines http://paste.debian.net/242159/ |
| 19:07.48 | babilen | olivier: Err .. |
| 19:07.50 | babilen | olivier: haha |
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| 19:08.46 | babilen | olivier: Ok, now try: aptitude purge '?narrow(?version(CURRENT),?origin(Unofficial Multimedia Packages))' |
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| 19:09.05 | nmeum | is it possible to add the experimental repo to my sources.list without installing all packages from the experimental repo when I run apt-get update ; apt-get upgrade? |
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| 19:09.24 | olivier | babilen: remove is not enough ? |
| 19:09.25 | babilen | olivier: You also didn't include the apt-cache policy output. Does "aptitude search '?narrow(?version(CURRENT),?origin(Unofficial Multimedia Packages))' -F'%100p' actually list any packages? |
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| 19:09.57 | olivier | babilen: the aptitude purge does nothing |
| 19:10.04 | babilen | olivier: You can remove them too, but why? The main point is that you should simply use aptitude remove/purge with the search term and not to try to feed that into dpkg |
| 19:10.16 | babilen | olivier: Ok, does the search actually list any packages? |
| 19:10.37 | olivier | babilen: the search does not give any packages |
| 19:10.53 | olivier | babilen: would that mean nothing from this repo is installed ? |
| 19:10.53 | babilen | olivier: (and please use http://paste.debian.net or another pastebin for further pastes (e.g. http://paste.ubuntu.com or http://refheap.com) |
| 19:11.12 | babilen | olivier: Ok, may I see the output of "apt-cache policy" and your sources.list ? |
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| 19:11.22 | babilen | ) |
| 19:11.23 | olivier | babilen: ok, one sec |
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| 19:14.07 | olivier | http://pastebin.com/M951LbpF |
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| 19:14.15 | hetOrakel | mrtux, i think it is a debian issue.... |
| 19:14.37 | mrtux | I have kernel 3.7.1 |
| 19:14.55 | mrtux | gonna downgrade to debian wheezy's kernel |
| 19:14.55 | mrtux | so I can use virtualbox |
| 19:14.56 | hetOrakel | when i use wget or epiphany it i also get this strange page |
| 19:14.57 | olivier | babilen: http://pastebin.com/HBDapGdR --- http://pastebin.com/M951LbpF |
| 19:15.29 | babilen | olivier: Please, don't use pastebin.com (it is horrible, mangles text, is integrated with billions of social websites that I don't care about ... see above for alternatives) ... But thanks for the pastes! |
| 19:15.40 | babilen | err |
| 19:15.46 | babilen | No, I am not entering a captcha. |
| 19:15.51 | olivier | babilen: , sorry I did not know about that... |
| 19:16.14 | mrtux | pastee.org and sprunge.us is better |
| 19:16.18 | mrtux | *are |
| 19:16.21 | ompaul | what's the factoid for a forgotten root password |
| 19:16.24 | babilen | olivier: Yeah, that is why I mentioned it eariler. Don't worry, many people google "pastebin" and end up with this horrible website. |
| 19:16.33 | olivier | babilen: should I redo my paste ? |
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| 19:17.20 | babilen | olivier: It is just horrible in any way, it now forces me to enter a captcha. No, no need to do it now, but the best idea is to simply create /one/ pastebin (on, for example, http://paste.debian.net ) and then keep on adding information to it. |
| 19:17.38 | babilen | olivier: That way everything is in one place, helpers only have to open a single tab and so on. |
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| 19:17.44 | babilen | types captcha 1 |
| 19:17.56 | olivier | babilen: by the way, I run wheezy... ok for the single paste |
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| 19:19.14 | babilen | olivier: Ok, it is as I suspected. You have to enable debian-multimedia if you expect aptitude to find those packages. Please uncomment line 14 and run "apt-get update" -- you should then be able to search for those packages (and purge (or remove) them) |
| 19:19.27 | babilen | dpkg: dmm list |
| 19:19.27 | dpkg | To list all packages you have installed from deb-multimedia.org: aptitude search '?narrow(?version(CURRENT),?origin(Unofficial Multimedia Packages))' -F'%100p'. Note: apt must know about the origin repository for this to work (i.e. you have a 'deb' line for it in sources.list and 'apt-get update' has been run). See also <which repo>. |
| 19:19.41 | babilen | olivier: ^^^ |
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| 19:30.27 | pianino | babilen: Tnx for ur helps during the last time and my queries regarding wireless network. Although I rebooted with pendrive - apparently includes pertinent modules (drivers) - an error occurred as the same! Therefore, I changed the plan and stopped the installation progress, saved few drivers which were exactly in the firmware folder from your introduced link. and tried again to setup Debian. This time the installation finished succe |
| 19:30.33 | pianino | still without wireless internet. |
| 19:31.25 | pianino | I tried to connect via bluetooth of my mobile! Unfortunately, it costs too much to get the internet via sim card of your cell phone! |
| 19:33.34 | pianino | Alternatively, I could have one another modem close to my own machine and connect it to another and farther one as wireless, so I could connect my machine to this closest modem only by cable!! |
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| 19:35.20 | pianino | Is there any other way to copy the drivers to my machine to define the wireless connections? |
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| 19:39.41 | olivier | babilen: ok, looks like it works... thank you very much |
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| 19:42.27 | kalujny | going a bit crazy here.. sudo mount -t tmpfs -o size=4096m /mnt/tmp prints me mount help :O |
| 19:43.16 | kalujny | any advice on where i screw up please? |
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| 19:46.02 | hetOrakel | ok, i see that i did post some half question: here's the whole story: when i go to some none-existing domain, say www.fake-fake-site.de i get an ensim loginpag. It does make no difference wether i use wget curl or epiphany.... |
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| 19:46.56 | kresp0 | hetOrakel: your DNS is the culprit |
| 19:47.01 | rmk | Packaging question. Is there any way to specify a destination filename via an 'install' file, rather than just the destination directory? |
| 19:47.02 | psichas | hi all |
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| 19:48.03 | hetOrakel | kresp0: here's a dig http://pastie.org/6575002 |
| 19:49.25 | mrtux2 | How can I downgrade my kernel? |
| 19:49.30 | kresp0 | try changing your DNS on /etc/resolv.con |
| 19:49.43 | mrtux2 | it's a custom compiled one |
| 19:49.56 | mrtux2 | and i want to use the default one in wheezy |
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| 19:50.23 | kresp0 | hetOrakel, and you may use this google dns server: 8.8.8.8 |
| 19:50.27 | yoyomoony | Hi all |
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| 19:51.45 | yoyomoony | I can't configure a VirtualHost for Websphere Liberty Profile. Anybody know how to do it ? |
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| 19:52.20 | Rusty1 | yoyomoony: perhaps ask on #httpd |
| 19:52.27 | yoyomoony | Thanks |
| 19:52.35 | psichas | mm |
| 19:52.43 | hetOrakel | reskp0: http://pastie.org/6575034 using 8888 => i don't see any difference |
| 19:52.57 | hetOrakel | kresp0: ? |
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| 19:54.35 | Rusty1 | would it be fair to say that synaptic operates at a lower level than apt(itude) |
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| 19:56.53 | jelly-home | they operate at a similar level, Rusty1 |
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| 19:57.18 | Rusty1 | to call it an apt-get frontend would be incorrect |
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| 19:57.44 | jelly-home | apt-get is a simple frontend to apt, the library |
| 19:58.09 | jelly-home | as is aptitude or synaptic, only a bit less simple |
| 19:58.25 | Rusty1 | so they both make calls to the library, as the source that I'm reading suggests |
| 19:58.29 | no_gravity | hello! whats the best way to recursivly copy a directory so that everything gets copied? all files, all subdirectories, all file ownerships, all timestamps, all flags. EVERYTHING? |
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| 19:58.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | no_gravity, what about cp -a? |
| 19:59.00 | ompaul | no_gravity: where do you want to copy it? |
| 19:59.03 | jelly-home | no_gravity: hardlinks? sparse files? |
| 19:59.20 | no_gravity | ompaul: from one partition to another |
| 19:59.22 | vt0r | no_gravity: rsync -avP blah/ blah2/ |
| 19:59.32 | jelly-home | no_gravity: do you need the recursion to span mountpoints or not? |
| 19:59.46 | no_gravity | jelly-home: no hardlinks. what are sparse files? |
| 19:59.56 | ompaul | -rp |
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| 20:00.11 | no_gravity | jelly-home: no, the whole directory is on one partition. |
| 20:00.41 | ompaul | no_gravity: you can rsync or cp I'd rsync - rsync -av /foo/ /foo2/ |
| 20:00.50 | jelly-home | no_gravity: does "no hardlinks" mean "I don't want to preserve hardlinks" or "there are none" |
| 20:00.56 | vt0r | no_gravity: rsync -avP blah/ blah2/ |
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| 20:01.16 | no_gravity | so we have one vote for "cp -a old/ new/" and one for "rsync -avP old/ new/". Any other voters? |
| 20:01.23 | no_gravity | jelly-home: there aint any hardlinks |
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| 20:01.27 | Rusty1 | jelly: or is that apt , apt-get, apt-file etc , aptitude and synaptic call libapt-pkg library |
| 20:01.34 | ompaul | no_gravity: use the avP one |
| 20:01.43 | ompaul | !next |
| 20:01.45 | dpkg | rattles the #debian tip jar (http://www.debian.org/donations) |
| 20:02.33 | jelly-home | no_gravity: -v is not essential for rsync. -P is just to get a progress indicator. Add -x to keep the recursion limited to just one filesystem, -H and -S to make rsync try and manage hardlinks and sparse files respectively |
| 20:03.01 | no_gravity | jelly-home: so your vote goes for rsync? |
| 20:03.16 | jelly-home | sure, why not |
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| 20:03.28 | Rusty1 | use dd |
| 20:03.35 | Rusty1 | that will get it all |
| 20:03.39 | jelly-home | Rusty1: "a directory" |
| 20:03.49 | no_gravity | so thats one vote for "cp -a old/ new/" and three for "rsync -avP old/ new/". i will fucking do it.... NOW |
| 20:03.53 | tremon | weighs in to suggest cpio -p |
| 20:04.14 | jelly-home | tremon: nono, dump | restore |
| 20:04.28 | tremon | cool, new one |
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| 20:04.37 | tremon | scurries off and reads man dump |
| 20:04.38 | ompaul | no_gravity: do you need to do it like they do on the discovery channel to it while you copy - what is it a porn stash? - the language barrier does not have to be crossed |
| 20:04.43 | jelly-home | actually, that's probably as old as cpio |
| 20:04.52 | brontosaurusrex | whats that cli app that will echo codes for pressed keys? |
| 20:05.25 | no_gravity | ompaul: i dont get your last message. do you mean "dont say fuck"? |
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| 20:05.42 | ompaul | no_gravity: it is not needed |
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| 20:06.01 | hays | somewhere there is a graph of open debian bugs vs. time |
| 20:06.04 | hays | anyone know where to find this |
| 20:06.18 | no_gravity | ompaul: you seem to imply its BAD to say fuck. |
| 20:06.33 | sedeki | guys, how do I change the hostname? I want to keep it when restarting. changing /etc/hostname but it changes back! |
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| 20:07.05 | jelly-home | no_gravity: overuse leads to it losing effect |
| 20:07.17 | no_gravity | jelly-home: i just used it once. |
| 20:07.19 | ompaul | and that is it's if you want to use it |
| 20:07.26 | reavengr1y | no_gravity: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xzpndHtdl9A |
| 20:07.27 | ompaul | with an s in place of it is |
| 20:07.46 | jelly-home | no_gravity: today, or...? |
| 20:07.53 | no_gravity | jelly-home: today |
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| 20:07.57 | jelly-home | no_gravity++ |
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| 20:08.29 | no_gravity | ompaul: it's it's its'... i will try to remember! |
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| 20:09.22 | no_gravity | ompaul: but honestly, i dont think anybody gives a f... about spelling anymore. |
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| 20:09.41 | Gumzip | brontosaurusrex: showkey? (in console-tools) |
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| 20:09.50 | ompaul | what is this, my personal fan club |
| 20:09.59 | reavengr1y | no_gravity: y u heff |
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| 20:10.07 | reavengr1y | to be so med |
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| 20:10.33 | jelly-home | no_gravity: I* don't* |
| 20:10.37 | jelly-home | hides |
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| 20:11.43 | ompaul | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:11.44 | ompaul | smiles |
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| 20:12.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | dpkg, tell hays about rc bugs |
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| 20:14.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | sed.. |
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| 20:15.05 | tharkun | Could debootstrap be exported to red-hat based distributions? Is there a package that does that allready built? |
| 20:15.33 | jelly-home | tharkun: it's a shell script, just download the latest from sid and use it. |
| 20:16.15 | jelly-home | it's intentionally self-contained and meant to work on any distro |
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| 20:16.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh, didn't know that... nice |
| 20:17.01 | tharkun | jelly-home: Nice thanks |
| 20:17.03 | ompaul | CutMeOwnThroat: one script to install them all |
| 20:17.36 | sKeiths | mp3s start automatically in my iceweasel (10), but there are no controls for it. anyone know best way to work around this. |
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| 20:18.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | ompaul, do you get a ring with this?! |
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| 20:19.58 | ompaul | sKeiths: you could save them or launch an external player under Edit Preferences Applications - CutMeOwnThroat no you get a script and three books and a movie contract |
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| 20:23.05 | vbajpai | server on nginx is not receiving requests over 80 from an outside network, if I change port to any higher number (8888 for instance), it works. It appears to be a firewall issues. Where should I look? |
| 20:23.11 | FilipeMaia | Hi. A user deleted a directory by mistake. The server hasn't done anything since then. Is there any way to recover the directory? The filesystem is XFS |
| 20:23.33 | ompaul | vbajpai: your isp is the first place, then the router you have, then the machine iptables -L |
| 20:23.35 | sKeiths | ompaul, Thanks. vlc now default for all pm3 types :D |
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| 20:23.48 | ompaul | sKeiths: you're welcome |
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| 20:25.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | FilipeMaia, well... backups, obviously. apart from that... on xfs, afaik: no. there is "magicrescue", but that is more useful if it's either very few files or at least files of the same type |
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| 20:26.05 | FilipeMaia | CutMeOwnThroat: he was interested in a particular python script |
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| 20:26.43 | vbajpai | ompaul: iptables not found; dpkg-query -l shows it's installed |
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| 20:27.00 | Rix | i've always used debian, i love debian i dont like centos and was looking for vps panel, looked at positive reviews about solusvm and just discovered debian is not supported.. bad, can anyone help me with fiding a bug-free vps management panel for debian? |
| 20:27.03 | vbajpai | ompaul: it appears ufw is also installed, but ufw status says command not found |
| 20:27.27 | ompaul | vbajpai: installed not configured - can you telnet to 80 on the localhost? |
| 20:28.57 | vbajpai | yes |
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| 20:29.17 | angs | I have a debian squeeze on an arm device and an atheros usb wifi device is attached. I enabled CONFIG_ATH9K_HW and other related options in the kernel then loaded htc_9271.fw firmware. But ifconfig -a or iwconfig does not show the wifi interface, what could be wrong with it? here is the outputs http://pastebin.com/FebeUfxf |
| 20:29.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | FilipeMaia, that could work, but needs you to write your own custom recipe... well, adapt the one for perl, look at /usr/share/magicrescue/recipes/perl |
| 20:29.41 | vbajpai | ompaul: I can telnet from remote network over v6 but not over v4 |
| 20:29.56 | ompaul | vbajpai: so then look at your external internet interface - I'd nearly predict your router or isp is blocking it and that's almost 100% proof what do you think :) |
| 20:30.06 | Rusty1 | angs: is the module present i lsmod? |
| 20:30.17 | Rusty1 | *in lsmod |
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| 20:30.32 | vbajpai | ompaul: this is a university network machine; I have a feeling it's a local firewall rule |
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| 20:31.00 | ompaul | vbajpai: only if it is is in hosting space or a netsoc or some such |
| 20:31.28 | no_gravity | ARRRGH! |
| 20:31.44 | angs | Rusty1: I selected built-in [*] option for the kernel settings |
| 20:31.54 | ompaul | vbajpai: iptables -L will display any firewall rule if you have any installed |
| 20:31.56 | no_gravity | After like 30 minutes of copying, rsync tells me this: rsync error: some files/attrs were not transferred (see previous errors) (code 23) at main.c(1060) [sender=3.0.7] |
| 20:32.12 | no_gravity | is there a way to find out WHAT has not been copied? |
| 20:32.13 | vbajpai | iptables -L gives me command not found |
| 20:32.31 | rryoumaa | no_gravity: rsync can keep a log |
| 20:32.33 | vbajpai | okay, I tried with sudo; the table is empty |
| 20:32.36 | rryoumaa | run it again |
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| 20:32.52 | ompaul | vbajpai: so then you can have fun you know it is network centric |
| 20:32.52 | vbajpai | ompaul: ^ |
| 20:33.06 | ompaul | vbajpai: talk to network admins |
| 20:33.08 | no_gravity | rryoumaa: the poor little hard disk. has to copy it all again? |
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| 20:33.28 | rryoumaa | no_gravity: the whole point of rsync is to not do that |
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| 20:33.38 | no_gravity | rryoumaa: ah yes, you are right. |
| 20:33.44 | rryoumaa | and even if it did, you can from now until eternity remember the log options |
| 20:33.52 | no_gravity | rryoumaa: shall i do it with -avP again? |
| 20:33.58 | rryoumaa | same as before |
| 20:34.13 | penguin1 | hi |
| 20:34.21 | no_gravity | rryoumaa: ok, here we go... |
| 20:34.29 | rryoumaa | rsync is awesome because of that feature, but it is a way to shoot yourself in the foot |
| 20:34.30 | penguin1 | What is the difference between package linux-kernel and linux-server-kernel? |
| 20:34.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | FilipeMaia, and then you probably end up with something like all python scripts on that disk... I did try ext4 undeletion recently and it was rather amazingly easy to recover the file from data in the journal using "extundel" |
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| 20:35.29 | FilipeMaia | CutMeOwnThroat: The only downside is that the disk is 80TB big so it's gonna take a while |
| 20:35.53 | rryoumaa | 80tb disk? |
| 20:36.02 | rryoumaa | impressive |
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| 20:36.36 | FilipeMaia | Does anyone has experience with xfs_irecover? |
| 20:36.55 | no_gravity | rryoumaa: rsync finished. it gave me "Input/output error (5)" for two files. how would you go about that? |
| 20:37.12 | rryoumaa | dunno, check log |
| 20:37.28 | rryoumaa | also check /var/logs/whatever |
| 20:37.32 | Rusty1 | angs: does the device show up in lsusb ? |
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| 20:38.07 | no_gravity | rryoumaa: dmesg shows some i/o errors |
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| 20:38.21 | rryoumaa | smart |
| 20:38.24 | no_gravity | rryoumaa: read errors as far as i can see |
| 20:38.29 | rryoumaa | apt-get install smartctl |
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| 20:38.39 | no_gravity | rryoumaa: are you talking to me? |
| 20:38.43 | angs | Rusty1, yes here is the output http://pastebin.com/FebeUfxf do you have any idea what could be the problem? |
| 20:38.44 | rryoumaa | yes |
| 20:38.50 | no_gravity | rryoumaa: what is smartctl? |
| 20:39.07 | Rusty1 | angs: unplug it plug it in and type: dmesg |
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| 20:41.59 | Rix | can someone help me with finding vps web control panel for debian, most of the panels support only centos, but i want to use debian |
| 20:42.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | FilipeMaia, funny... seems there are lots of xfs-undelete programs around... but only commercial ones |
| 20:42.25 | angs | Rusty1, here is the dmesg http://pastebin.com/bLaGNdcv |
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| 20:46.28 | Rusty1 | angs: FWIW i pasted dmesg output ahter i plugged in a bt adapter, notice everything after first line |
| 20:46.41 | Rusty1 | http://pastebin.com/nawLsRCY |
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| 20:50.43 | Rix | ;] |
| 20:51.09 | Rusty1 | angs: http://wiki.debian.org/HowToIdentifyADevice/USB might be useful |
| 20:51.21 | angs | where can I find the .config file? |
| 20:51.25 | angs | thanks |
| 20:51.41 | penguin1 | What is the difference between package linux-kernel and linux-server-kernel? |
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| 20:51.57 | monod | hello |
| 20:51.59 | monod | have a problem |
| 20:52.19 | monod | cannot update with apt-get because libssn3-ld and libssn3 are not authenticable |
| 20:52.23 | monod | any idea? |
| 20:52.30 | monod | and also |
| 20:52.43 | monod | I have acpid installed, but my pc's fan is too much noisy |
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| 20:53.14 | monod | libnss^ |
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| 20:56.02 | tharkun | jelly-home: Even though it is quiret self contained It is actually very .deb specific. Or at least the squeeze version. |
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| 21:00.58 | otters | does anybody know where I can get skype 3.* for debian? |
| 21:04.41 | tharkun | !skype |
| 21:04.41 | dpkg | Skype is a proprietary cross-platform <VoIP> service and application owned by Microsoft. Debian cannot distribute the application due to its restrictive license and is therefore not supported in #debian. See http://wiki.debian.org/skype and ask me about <skype squeeze> for community-contributed information. Consider using a free software alternative such as <ekiga>, <empathy>, <jitsi> or <linphone>. |
| 21:04.58 | otters | that's skype 4 |
| 21:05.05 | otters | back to google we go |
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| 21:09.52 | otters | I guess I could always brute force search the skype download website since they have directory listings disabled |
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| 21:12.31 | jelly-home | otters: far as I know, there never was any skype 3 for linux |
| 21:12.51 | penguin1 | What is the difference between package linux-kernel and linux-server-kernel? |
| 21:13.09 | jelly-home | penguin1: none of those exist in debian |
| 21:13.22 | penguin1 | But I read from them |
| 21:13.23 | penguin1 | why |
| 21:13.42 | penguin1 | http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1319665 |
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| 21:13.55 | jelly-home | penguin1: UBUNTUforums.org |
| 21:14.12 | otters | well, shit |
| 21:14.31 | jelly-home | penguin1: notice the capitalized bit... it don't say debian |
| 21:14.54 | otters | and skype 2 doesn't appear to want to run on debian 6.0 |
| 21:15.17 | jelly-home | otters: skype 2.2 ought to work on i386 squeeze |
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| 21:17.08 | otters | I'll try it |
| 21:17.21 | jelly-home | but if you have amd64... good luck |
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| 21:17.48 | jelly-home | ii skype 2.2.0.35-1 i386 Skype # this is on wheezy, but that version has been installed for quite a while |
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| 21:18.25 | otters | I do have amd64 |
| 21:18.37 | jelly-home | sucks to be you, I guess |
| 21:19.26 | penguin1 | why is it for ubuntu differnet? why do they split it up? does it have any advantages? |
| 21:19.54 | otters | yes it does |
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| 21:20.26 | jelly-home | does not know |
| 21:22.08 | penguin1 | otters: and what are the advantages? debian got this too,? |
| 21:23.22 | otters | penguin1: advantages of what |
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| 21:24.24 | otters | yep, skype 2.2 won't launch |
| 21:24.36 | penguin1 | otters: of having two kernels, especially of having a separate server-linux-kernel |
| 21:24.41 | jelly-home | penguin1: no, debian does not have separate kernels packages for server vs workstation. |
| 21:24.46 | otters | I don't even know what you're talking about |
| 21:24.55 | penguin1 | jelly-home: wouldn't this be a good idea? |
| 21:25.10 | penguin1 | jelly-home: the kernels differ just in their incompiled drivers? |
| 21:25.47 | jelly-home | penguin1: there are lots of good ideas; implementation and lifecycle management takes resources. |
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| 21:27.59 | jelly-home | penguin1: two issues here: it might or might not be a good idea -- you'd first need to measure that; second, it means extra work |
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| 21:36.04 | brontosaurusrex | can i script something like: "if mouse is on the right border of the screen AND the leftToRight speed before that was more than 20 pixels / s, then trigger event" ? |
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| 21:39.27 | penguin1 | brontosaurusrex: it should run on what? On a terminal (gpm)? In X? JavaScript? |
| 21:39.35 | brontosaurusrex | x |
| 21:40.09 | brontosaurusrex | i found xdotool which can fire events onRightBorder |
| 21:40.22 | brontosaurusrex | but its just to dumb by itself |
| 21:40.37 | penguin1 | brontosaurusrex: should this run as a service in background? as a kind of screensaver? explicitely started by user? |
| 21:40.59 | brontosaurusrex | in background or as service |
| 21:40.59 | rryoumaa | it would be great to do that |
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| 21:41.24 | rryoumaa | you could switch viewspaces that way while allowing you to move to the edge for scrolling |
| 21:41.37 | brontosaurusrex | rryoumaa, exactly what iam trying to do |
| 21:41.42 | FilipeMaia | I'm running grep on a large block device and to my surprise it looks like I'm CPU limited no I/O limited |
| 21:41.58 | FilipeMaia | Is there any way to run grep more efficiently, or multi thread it? |
| 21:42.00 | brontosaurusrex | so basically if user crashes the border with enough speed, the new desktop should appear |
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| 21:42.33 | brontosaurusrex | FilipeMaia, try #bash? |
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| 21:42.48 | FilipeMaia | brontosaurusrex: ok, thanks |
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| 21:43.30 | Atari2600 | Is it possible to run Debian on 128 bytes of RAM? |
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| 21:43.50 | penguin1 | brontosaurusrex: what are you trying to archive? |
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| 21:44.40 | brontosaurusrex | penguin1, swaping desktops (some autodesk apps have this behaviour for example) |
| 21:45.34 | brontosaurusrex | examples: right = desktop +1, left = desktop -1, bottom = show dock, top = show tint2 ... |
| 21:45.56 | philluminati | How can I begin to debug / identify a bug in debian please? The symptons is: switch computer on, boots, looks like it starts X11, screen goes black, monitor says no input. Using nvidia driver |
| 21:46.49 | tremon | Atari2600: not even the debian logo fits is 128 bytes of ram |
| 21:46.54 | tremon | s/is/in/ |
| 21:47.13 | Atari2600 | Atari 2600, search it on Wikipedia |
| 21:47.21 | Atari2600 | you sure it aint possible? I thought linux was light |
| 21:47.31 | Atari2600 | I can play games on this machine you know |
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| 21:47.40 | Atari2600 | it has 4KB hard disk space and 128 bytes RAM |
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| 22:29.54 | penguin1 | lol |
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| 22:46.22 | nmeum | Is it possible to add the experimental repo to my sources.list without installing all packages from the experimental repo when I run apt-get update ; apt-get upgrade? |
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| 22:49.41 | tremon | yes, that should be the default. experimental has a very low priority, so that packages will never automatically be pulled from it |
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| 22:50.48 | recon_lap | Trying to get sshd to work on my VPS, I got the service running, I've check the firewall , and nmap does not show any open connections on server? anyone able to help me find the problem? |
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| 22:52.07 | neon__ | I want to regenerate sensors3.conf, how can it be generated? |
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| 22:56.16 | Towzzer | neon, is that part of lm-sensors? |
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| 22:58.16 | karl_k | hi, i have a raid5 array consisting of "Active Dev: 4, Working Dev: 5, Failed Dev: 0, Spare Dev: 1" |
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| 22:58.29 | karl_k | does anyone know how i can change the one spare dev to an active dev ? |
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| 22:59.35 | koollman | karl_k: resize the array to use 5 disks. something like mdadm -G /dev/mdX -n 5 |
| 22:59.51 | koollman | karl_k: also make sure you really want to do this. having a spare device ready is useful |
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| 23:00.39 | karl_k | i gradually built that array from 2 disks to now 5. the spare is actually already being used as a part of the array |
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| 23:01.05 | karl_k | i must have done something weird along the way |
| 23:01.21 | karl_k | the array is already n=5 |
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| 23:02.30 | karl_k | if you have time: http://pastebin.com/u2JMBFRp |
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| 23:03.21 | karl_k | its currently recovering, but once its done i want /dev/sda as a active Member, not a used spare |
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| 23:04.59 | ulidtko | hey guys, http://paste.ubuntu.com/5620807/ ← why doesn't dpkg-shlibdeps pick up the libc.so dependency? |
| 23:05.57 | ulidtko | my debian/control says Depends: ${shlibs:Depends}, ${misc:Depends} |
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| 23:09.06 | edbort | I want to use Debian as a means of logging all trafic that comes in on one card (which leads to the Internet) to another card (to my computer). I'm talking about a separate box that is transparent, between my computer and my router. |
| 23:09.17 | edbort | I just want to see if anyone has been trying to access my computer |
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| 23:10.13 | karl_k | koollman: thanks for your suggestion, will try it as soon as rebuild is finished |
| 23:10.17 | karl_k | Cheers, bye |
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| 23:13.58 | rockeiro133 | rockeiro13: hi[ |
| 23:14.02 | tuvwx | edbort: iptables? |
| 23:14.08 | rockeiro133 | rockeiro13: hii |
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| 23:15.06 | methril | hi all |
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| 23:15.47 | methril | someone tried aptosid? or this is OT here? |
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| 23:20.12 | ompaul | methril: it's on topic in #aptosid on irc.oftc.net but not on topic here |
| 23:21.56 | methril | ompaul: and what about the debian sid peace and stability? |
| 23:22.20 | ompaul | sid is more in irc.oftc.net #debian-next |
| 23:22.40 | ompaul | methril: if you have a specific debian question please ask it |
| 23:23.10 | methril | ok ompaul, i have been using debian sid for a while in the past |
| 23:23.19 | methril | i would like to know how stable is now |
| 23:23.31 | methril | or if it's recommended testing/sid configuration |
| 23:24.12 | ompaul | methril: you won't find anyone saying mix testing / sid |
| 23:24.32 | methril | maybe this was my error |
| 23:24.33 | ompaul | testing (wheezy) is almost stable but then you won't know if it suits you until you try it |
| 23:24.35 | methril | xD |
| 23:25.08 | ompaul | if you are going to install - install wheezy unless you have some really strange use case it should be good enough for you |
| 23:25.19 | methril | not really |
| 23:25.34 | ompaul | !freeze |
| 23:25.34 | dpkg | The 'freeze' is when large changes to testing version of Debian are stopped for few months. During this period, no new package uploads are made except to fix critical bugs or to provide documentation updates. During the freeze, bugs are squashed to 'stabilize' the release to make the new 'stable'. Wheezy was frozen on June 30, 2012. Also ask me about <slushy>. |
| 23:25.36 | methril | just wondering before formating linux partition |
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| 23:26.22 | methril | !slushy |
| 23:26.23 | dpkg | When a <testing> release becomes frozen, <unstable> tends to partially freeze as well. This is because developers are reluctant to upload radically new software to unstable, in case the frozen software in testing needs minor updates and to fix release critical bugs which keep testing from becoming <stable>. |
| 23:26.52 | azizLIGHTS | how do i figure out what exact version of debian i installed |
| 23:27.05 | methril | ok, i will see if testing fit my needs, thanks ompaul |
| 23:27.23 | azizLIGHTS | is it a beta, or rc? how do i tell |
| 23:27.30 | methril | anyway was on the line i was thinking about |
| 23:27.50 | methril | azizLIGHTS: does it matters? |
| 23:27.51 | ompaul | azizLIGHTS: if you installed wheezy you should be keeping it up to date with dist-upgrades |
| 23:28.08 | ompaul | azizLIGHTS: anything else is self deception |
| 23:28.10 | azizLIGHTS | i want to replicate it |
| 23:28.37 | azizLIGHTS | in a vm |
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| 23:30.12 | ompaul | azizLIGHTS: that's crazy talk - install it straight to the vm and move the vm around |
| 23:30.47 | ompaul | azizLIGHTS: and make sure you keep it up to date with dist-upgrades |
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| 23:31.39 | ompaul | azizLIGHTS: as for what you installed that;s the media you used - it has it in it's name what it is |
| 23:32.08 | azizLIGHTS | it has its name where |
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| 23:32.19 | ompaul | in the name of the file you used to make the media |
| 23:32.29 | azizLIGHTS | i dont know where that is, it got deleted |
| 23:32.33 | azizLIGHTS | i think |
| 23:32.59 | ompaul | {joke} hang on until I hack your box and recover it for you {end joke} |
| 23:33.17 | azizLIGHTS | lol go for it |
| 23:33.21 | azizLIGHTS | nothing on it |
| 23:33.26 | azizLIGHTS | important |
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| 23:35.15 | ompaul | azizLIGHTS: when did you download it? |
| 23:35.28 | reavengr1y | Hey, what is the rationale behind separating the headers from libs? |
| 23:35.29 | ompaul | azizLIGHTS: then compare that with the debian web site for rc etc |
| 23:35.44 | azizLIGHTS | it must be within 1 -2 months |
| 23:35.50 | azizLIGHTS | i will look |
| 23:35.58 | ompaul | azizLIGHTS: so dist-upgrade it and work from there |
| 23:35.59 | reavengr1y | It mean, what benefit is there in not getting the headers when you download a lib package? |
| 23:36.20 | reavengr1y | Headers are what...max of 1MiB for any package |
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| 23:37.07 | ulidtko | reavengr1y: headers are not arch-dependent |
| 23:37.38 | ulidtko | same separation rationale as for package-{bin,data} for e.g. games |
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| 23:37.59 | edbort | anyone have guides on setting up debian as a simple "passthrough" network node, whose only purpose is to log traffic that is inbound? I want to set it up between my computer and my router. |
| 23:38.05 | reavengr1y | Ah, kk, I see the reasoning there then |
| 23:38.11 | reavengr1y | A bit pedantic, but at least there's a reason |
| 23:38.27 | ulidtko | yup |
| 23:39.09 | recon_lap | reavengr1y: also some libs can have several headers, one for each language |
| 23:39.52 | reavengr1y | Right, so in the overall scheme, proper separation is easier for the distro maintainers to manage |
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| 23:42.41 | recon_lap | reavengr1y: more to do with the developers |
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