| 00:01.00 | cinvoke | somiaj: yea, i did read that debian updates more often. |
| 00:01.33 | somiaj | about every 3 or so years |
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| 00:01.59 | somiaj | though it is on no schedule, all about when it is ready |
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| 00:05.47 | cinvoke | somiaj: thx |
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| 00:08.15 | haggalut | What form of install can be downloaded that is =< 1.4GB preferrably including all source to recompile |
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| 00:08.51 | rudi_s | haggalut: Recompile? I'd say wrong Distribution. |
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| 00:09.09 | haggalut | rudi_s: why is that? |
| 00:09.22 | rudi_s | haggalut: Because recompiling your system is not something you do on Debian. |
| 00:09.34 | rudi_s | (You could do it of course, but why should you?) |
| 00:09.55 | rudi_s | If you want to install Debian with network access, netinstall is a good choice. Without network try the first DVD. |
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| 00:10.44 | rudi_s | But recompiling each package is just a waste of time and resources. If you have a few packages which you want to compile with different options/flags (specific programs, the kernel, etc.) sure, no problem. But the whole system is not a good idea. |
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| 00:12.24 | haggalut | rudi_s: this is for security purposes |
| 00:12.46 | petn-randall | haggalut: how does that increase security? |
| 00:12.48 | haggalut | rudi_s: the dvd is 4gb i have a 1.4gb cd |
| 00:12.49 | rudi_s | haggalut: What security? |
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| 00:13.09 | fnmueller | there ar nosuch cds |
| 00:13.11 | somiaj | haggalut: you can download the source packages and automate the compling of it |
| 00:13.14 | rudi_s | haggalut: If you _really_ care about security, then you have a _very_ big problem. |
| 00:13.22 | somiaj | haggalut: you will have to install the resulting debs yourself thoug |
| 00:13.22 | haggalut | petn-randall: for instance my ubuntu makes loads of outgoing connections including ssh keyservers\ |
| 00:13.33 | rudi_s | (Because you can't trust the hardware, the compiler, the binaries, the source, .. anything.) |
| 00:14.00 | rudi_s | haggalut: That's not a question of security, but of installing the correct programs. That's no problem. |
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| 00:14.11 | petn-randall | haggalut: and how will recompiling the packages change that? |
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| 00:14.22 | rudi_s | Just choose a base installation without any extra stuff and you have no programs performing "magic" stuff. |
| 00:14.24 | haggalut | rudi_s: no its a matter of garbage being installed in ubuntu |
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| 00:14.29 | haggalut | dependency injections |
| 00:14.34 | fnmueller | maybe lsf could be a better choice?! |
| 00:14.35 | haggalut | binary splicing ssh servers |
| 00:14.38 | haggalut | etc |
| 00:14.45 | rww | what |
| 00:15.12 | haggalut | rudi_s: that was my idea maybe debian minimal install then recompile everything |
| 00:15.20 | MidnightSun99 | Picture of my ex-girlfriend naked: http://imagetwist.com/9au1ada5n7nu |
| 00:15.23 | petn-randall | haggalut: I'm really interested in the etc. part. |
| 00:15.50 | rww | I'm equally interested in what the first two examples are actually supposed to mean. |
| 00:16.30 | haggalut | look i dont want to argue |
| 00:16.39 | haggalut | i want to be able to recompile a minimal system |
| 00:16.44 | haggalut | and i have 1.4GB cd |
| 00:16.47 | rudi_s | haggalut: YOu don't have to compile anything. Just install only the programs you want and configure them in the way you like. |
| 00:16.55 | fnmueller | there is no 1.4gb cd |
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| 00:17.12 | rudi_s | I didn't compile any base packages and I don't have any unwanted outgoing connections .. |
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| 00:17.21 | haggalut | Does the live CD have a minimal installer? |
| 00:17.51 | haggalut | I get so sick of arguing with folks |
| 00:18.04 | haggalut | Can I not just say what I want and either you have an answer or no |
| 00:18.10 | rudi_s | haggalut: Just use the netinst - or don't you have internet? |
| 00:18.14 | haggalut | I want a minimal command only install |
| 00:18.17 | fnmueller | ok guys, ignore and move on, else , request k |
| 00:18.28 | haggalut | That I may recompile everything so I also need sources. |
| 00:18.42 | petn-randall | haggalut: because you're jumping to conclusions from assumptions. |
| 00:18.44 | rudi_s | haggalut: netinst -> deselect everything when you get asked what to install (even minimal system) and you'll get a basic console-only installation. |
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| 00:18.57 | petn-randall | *from wrong assumptions |
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| 00:19.03 | rudi_s | haggalut: This has _NOTHING_ to do with compiling anything. |
| 00:19.10 | haggalut | rudi_s: but is it like ubuntu where the sources never compile into the binaries? |
| 00:19.20 | petn-randall | haggalut: bullshit |
| 00:19.22 | rudi_s | Who cares about sources ... |
| 00:19.25 | haggalut | In other words will I be able to recompile it all. |
| 00:19.28 | fnmueller | .ops |
| 00:19.29 | rudi_s | Just install the packages you want, and nothing else. |
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| 00:20.09 | haggalut | I want the sources also, damit! |
| 00:20.16 | haggalut | Quit telling me what I want. |
| 00:20.20 | parabyte | can gre be bonded? |
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| 00:20.39 | haggalut | I want the damned sources! |
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| 00:20.43 | haggalut | slams fist |
| 00:20.48 | ElGrotto | hiyas; I'm trying to install the php interface for the redis database.. I can see it on packages.debian.org as libphp-redis .. but apt-get install can't find it :-(. I'm using testing :S |
| 00:20.53 | rww | sighs |
| 00:20.59 | petn-randall | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:21.04 | rww | dpkg: tell haggalut about package recompile |
| 00:21.06 | rww | glhf |
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| 00:21.11 | haggalut | SOURCE CODE! |
| 00:21.18 | rudi_s | haggalut: Ok. EOD for me here. - We just want to help you undestand that sources don't matter. deb-src line in /etc/apt/sources.list to get the source, have fun wasting a few weeks recompiling everything. |
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| 00:21.18 | haggalut | MORE SOURCE CODE DAMIT! |
| 00:21.19 | parabyte | Does anyone know if GRE can be bonded with linux kernel bonding |
| 00:22.01 | haggalut | slams fist |
| 00:22.08 | fnmueller | !ops |
| 00:22.09 | dpkg | Please invoke 'dpkg: ops $problem' to call the operators to deal with a specific problem. Misuse of this will lead to a ban. |
| 00:22.20 | haggalut | rudi_s: How do you know it takes a few weeks unless you have done it? |
| 00:22.26 | abrotman | hi ... |
| 00:22.31 | themill | looks at haggalut |
| 00:22.37 | abrotman | looks at the_wanderer |
| 00:22.42 | abrotman | :( |
| 00:22.43 | themill | !pal abrotman |
| 00:22.44 | dpkg | points at abrotman and laughs uproariously |
| 00:22.50 | rww | takes me a little under 12 hours to recompile world on Debian. Not sure where "few weeks" would come from. Regardless, it's a silly idea. |
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| 00:23.31 | haggalut | Are all of the src codes broken like in ubuntu where the only choice is binary? |
| 00:23.42 | themill | haggalut: how about asking a real question |
| 00:23.54 | haggalut | Did all of linux turn into a shitpile of binary blobs with flys buzzing and puking on the piles of shit? |
| 00:23.55 | themill | rww: it's going to depend a lot on the architecture you compile for and how many packages you recompile. I maintain packages that take minutes to compile on amd64 and days on mips. |
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| 00:24.18 | rww | themill: I know. I expect haggalut doesn't run on MIPS, though :) |
| 00:24.25 | fnmueller | ty |
| 00:24.27 | themill | haggalut: feel free to PM me when you actually have a question |
| 00:24.44 | rww | (but point taken) |
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| 00:25.36 | abrotman | and why is he asking us about Ubuntu stuffs? |
| 00:25.43 | ElGrotto | .. I has a question lol.. but I think nobody saw it 'coz there was trollin' happening when I asked it lmao :) |
| 00:25.58 | rudi_s | rww: It was more of a guess. Do you mean all packages with world? Because iceweasel alone needs quite some time here. |
| 00:25.58 | fnmueller | I did in deed miss it |
| 00:25.59 | petn-randall | abrotman: it's trolling |
| 00:26.04 | rww | rudi_s: yes |
| 00:26.15 | rudi_s | rww: What system do you use for that? |
| 00:26.28 | ElGrotto | hiyas; I'm trying to install the php interface for the redis database.. I can see it on packages.debian.org as libphp-redis .. but apt-get install can't find it :-(. I'm using testing :S |
| 00:26.29 | petn-randall | octo core xeon? |
| 00:26.33 | rww | rudi_s: a Core 2 |
| 00:26.37 | abrotman | petn-randall: then perhaps you sohuldn't have fed it? |
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| 00:26.58 | petn-randall | abrotman: I stopped responding the moment I noticed it. |
| 00:27.10 | neon__ | anyone know how to fancontrol asus p5k? |
| 00:27.31 | abrotman | neon__: have you searched the package descriptions for 'fan control' ? |
| 00:27.40 | fnmueller | ElGrotto: first, It could be that the packages service is not up to date yet, it could also be not being you update server in sync. Then again, I don't even run wheezy |
| 00:27.47 | rudi_s | rww: All 35000 packages? |
| 00:28.25 | rww | rudi_s: sorry, no. everything I have installed on my normal desktop system with KDE (and yes, firefox). but this is a tad offtopic ;) |
| 00:28.25 | ElGrotto | well I've done apt-get update .. |
| 00:28.28 | neon__ | abrotman, I have even installed it successfully on a laptop. In this one pwmconfig don't work. |
| 00:28.33 | rww | neon__: If memory serves, I did it with fancontrol and using the old-style kernel module for controlling such things (as compared to the ACPI one) on my P5K-E. It's been a long while though. |
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| 00:28.52 | rww | and using the non-ACPI kernel module came with a bunch of warnings about it being a bad idea |
| 00:28.55 | abrotman | neon__: read the docs? |
| 00:29.01 | rudi_s | rww: Ah ok, that's reasonble. ;-) |
| 00:29.05 | themill | ElGrotto: that package doesn't exist anywhere in debian |
| 00:29.25 | neon__ | abrotman, read howtos |
| 00:29.54 | ElGrotto | oh wait, it seems to only exist for m68k lol nm |
| 00:29.58 | neon__ | abrotman, read howtos now, maybe the docs too, but long ago |
| 00:30.41 | fnmueller | version php-redis |
| 00:30.44 | fnmueller | .version php-redis |
| 00:30.55 | ElGrotto | libphp-redis |
| 00:31.02 | fnmueller | .version libphp-redis |
| 00:31.18 | ElGrotto | but s'ok I see it only has an m68k package |
| 00:31.22 | fnmueller | unknown it is |
| 00:31.26 | ElGrotto | http://packages.debian.org/unstable/php/libphp-redis |
| 00:31.27 | abrotman | fnmueller: wrong bot |
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| 00:31.32 | abrotman | or wrong bot shorthand |
| 00:31.40 | abrotman | ,versions libphp-redis |
| 00:31.41 | judd | No package named 'libphp-redis' was found in i386. |
| 00:31.44 | fnmueller | what would be the correct one? I can nsg judd |
| 00:31.54 | themill | fnmueller: ^^ it's not in debian at all |
| 00:31.55 | fnmueller | ohh, ty |
| 00:32.07 | ElGrotto | yeah because it's only in m68k.. which is the problem lol |
| 00:32.11 | ElGrotto | ah well |
| 00:32.17 | abrotman | ElGrotto: more like only in deb-ports |
| 00:32.43 | fnmueller | I need to get more familiar with the bots in this # |
| 00:32.50 | neon__ | rww, I read someone said that "acpi_enforce_resources=lax" option on boot helped. Maybe it brought me closer to solving it, but still pwmconfig don't work |
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| 00:33.23 | ElGrotto | well, I guess I can't use redis then, unless I start installing C compilers on my web server :S lol |
| 00:33.23 | rww | yeah, I think I needed some kernel cmdline entry like that to get the non-ACPI driver to load at all |
| 00:33.29 | rww | sorry I can't be specific, it's really been a while |
| 00:33.45 | rww | (since then I stopped doing horrible things to my computer that necessitated caring about fan speed) |
| 00:33.52 | petn-randall | neon__: Normally you just install fancontrol and run pwmconfig. Didn't that work? |
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| 00:34.19 | petn-randall | neon__: What didn't work, specifically? Was there an error message? |
| 00:34.23 | rww | petn-randall: dunno about neon__'s specific board, but P5K-E + the standard ACPI module for controlling it doesn't provide fan control |
| 00:34.40 | neon__ | petn-randall, no, it didn't. It's trying to change fan speed on 4 pwms but none of the attempt result in any change in fanspeed |
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| 00:36.20 | petn-randall | neon__: are you sure your fans are even PWMable? |
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| 00:36.24 | fnmueller | I'll be off sleeping , gn8 |
| 00:36.32 | petn-randall | fnmueller: g'night |
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| 00:36.50 | neon__ | petn-randall, they are with 4 pins slot |
| 00:37.04 | neon__ | petn-randall, and the board ahve 4 pins on the port |
| 00:37.18 | petn-randall | neon__: they could still only be PWMable via the BIOS. |
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| 00:37.39 | neon__ | petn-randall, bios has some Q-FAN |
| 00:37.50 | petn-randall | neon__: Can you control the speed via the 'other OS'? |
| 00:37.52 | neon__ | petn-randall, but that does nothing |
| 00:38.09 | neon__ | petn-randall, what other os? |
| 00:38.35 | petn-randall | neon__: Do you have Windows on that machine, does it work there? |
| 00:39.26 | abrotman | neon__: whne you run pwmconfig .. it ssays what? |
| 00:39.29 | neon__ | I had windows, and there I couldn't control it in the CPU fan port (4 pins) , but I could control it on the system fan port (3 pins) |
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| 00:40.22 | neon__ | abrotman, hwmon1/device/fan2_input current speed: 1906 RPM |
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| 00:40.47 | petn-randall | neon__: you might have some luck with a newer kernel. Looks like the PWM controller isn't supported properly (yet). |
| 00:41.08 | neon__ | abrotman, Testing pwm control hwmon1/device/pwm2 ...; hwmon1/device/fan2_input ... speed was 1906 now 1906, no correlation |
| 00:41.24 | petn-randall | neon__: what's your current kernel? |
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| 00:41.42 | neon__ | abrotman, and like that for all pwms |
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| 00:42.51 | neon__ | petn-randall, 3.2.0-4-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 3.2.39-2 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 00:42.57 | mitch|grounded | so, when I use win32-loader, I get this: http://znc.wolfmitchell.com/scr/screenshot2.bmp |
| 00:43.19 | mitch|grounded | (sorry, microshit paint only supports bitmaps on the version I have... windows nt 4.0 sucks |
| 00:43.19 | abrotman | mitch|grounded: you're still playing with that? |
| 00:43.23 | mitch|grounded | yeah |
| 00:43.26 | mitch|grounded | cd drive does not work |
| 00:43.30 | mitch|grounded | no floppies |
| 00:43.50 | abrotman | and doesn't boot from USB? |
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| 00:44.17 | mitch|grounded | it uses usb 1.0 |
| 00:44.24 | mitch|grounded | I only have usb2.0 drives |
| 00:44.29 | abrotman | that's okay .. |
| 00:44.35 | abrotman | does the BIOS support booting from USB or not? |
| 00:44.41 | mitch|grounded | nope |
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| 00:45.12 | mitch|grounded | so my only method of install is win32-loader |
| 00:45.29 | petn-randall | neon__: Install a newer kernel and test it with that. It *might* fix your problem. |
| 00:46.45 | petn-randall | mitch|grounded: you can still take out the HDD, plug it into a newer machine and install from there. That's how I'd do it in your situation. |
| 00:47.16 | mitch|grounded | one sec |
| 00:47.31 | mitch|grounded | lemme see if I have access to the hdd on this laptop |
| 00:48.04 | neon__ | petn-randall, there aren't newer kernel packages available |
| 00:48.05 | mitch|grounded | nope, only battery |
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| 00:48.36 | petn-randall | mitch|grounded: most laptops hold the HDD by a single screw. |
| 00:48.50 | petn-randall | neon__: what version of Debian are you running? |
| 00:48.55 | mitch|grounded | well, this one i have no idea where it is |
| 00:49.01 | mitch|grounded | nothing under the battery |
| 00:49.05 | neon__ | petn-randall, wheezy |
| 00:49.47 | abrotman | mitch|grounded: have you tried goodbye-windows.com ? |
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| 00:49.56 | mitch|grounded | lemme try |
| 00:50.38 | petn-randall | neon__: add experimental and there you have 3.8 |
| 00:51.05 | petn-randall | neon__: It has no further dependencies (got it on my wheezy), so it's quite safe to test. |
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| 00:52.58 | mitch|grounded | abrotman: well, as soon as I select that I want stable, the thing closes |
| 00:53.07 | mitch|grounded | hopefullly that means it worked .-. |
| 00:53.25 | abrotman | hasn't used it .. |
| 00:53.51 | abrotman | mitch|grounded: i suppose you'll find out soon! |
| 00:54.04 | mitch|grounded | I went to expert --> install --> text --> stable |
| 00:54.18 | mitch|grounded | well, I'm rebooting. |
| 00:54.21 | abrotman | okay .. see how it goes |
| 00:54.57 | mitch|grounded | screen+irssi <3 |
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| 01:00.56 | mitch|grounded | abrotman: no luck |
| 01:00.57 | mitch|grounded | :< |
| 01:01.36 | abrotman | that was quick |
| 01:01.38 | abrotman | what happened? |
| 01:02.01 | mitch|grounded | just went through the normal NT boot thing... |
| 01:02.15 | mitch|grounded | bios --> OS loader 4.0 --> login |
| 01:02.22 | mitch|grounded | nothing related to debian |
| 01:02.26 | mitch|grounded | not even grub |
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| 01:02.39 | abrotman | there's also the hd-media setup, but i've never used it .. so you'll have to read up on it |
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| 01:04.24 | dvs | mitch|grounded: no extra option in the OS loader? |
| 01:04.35 | mitch|grounded | dvs: nope |
| 01:04.49 | mitch|grounded | only NT and NT+some other video mode that I forgot |
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| 01:05.09 | mitch|grounded | looks like I'm installing grub |
| 01:05.47 | themill | debootstrap from cygwin? |
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| 01:07.15 | mitch|grounded | themill: ? |
| 01:08.39 | arbrad | So I installed Debian Squeeze 6 on my PPC G3 Mac. I've decided I want to go back to Mac OS, but when I put in my retail Mac OS 9 CD, the system fails to see it. I've used it successfully on another Mac in the past. It will also not recognize any other Mac OS CDs as a bootable option, such as 9.2 or OSX. Is there a known bug in Debian that would cause this? Or something I can try? |
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| 01:09.55 | abrotman | arbrad: that's a firmware problem .. you have to hit a button to get it to boot off the CD |
| 01:10.21 | themill | mitch|grounded: I don't know if cygwin still supports NT4... but if you had tools already available to shrink your NT partition and create a new partition on it, then cygwin (or some other GNU on windows tool set) would be able to run debootstrap. Not sure how you're going to install grub though to let you boot that bootstrap, unless there's a grub package for cygwin of course. |
| 01:10.34 | arbrad | abrotman, I've hit both "C" and the "option" key at boot (not at the same time). The "option" key only gives a menu with the HDD as the bootable option. |
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| 01:11.19 | abrotman | arbrad: sounds like a bum CD .. try to boot the Debia ninstall CD again |
| 01:11.43 | arbrad | It's probably worth noting that the CD drive will be recognized as a bootable device in the "Option" if I have Debian in it. But not any version of Mac OS. |
| 01:12.25 | arbrad | I've been working on it for a few months to no avail :/ |
| 01:12.37 | abrotman | have you asked #macosx ? |
| 01:12.42 | abrotman | i realize it's not OSX |
| 01:13.09 | mitch|grounded | it's their bios :P |
| 01:13.11 | arbrad | I'll try there. Thank you. |
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| 01:15.22 | ksx4system | how can I display something before logging in using SSH? I remember having setup like this years ago (but it was Ubuntu Server, 8-ish version) |
| 01:15.36 | petn-randall | ksx4system: /etc/motd would work |
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| 01:16.35 | themill | ksx4system: see "Banner" in sshd_config(5) |
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| 01:17.08 | ksx4system | themill: thanks :) |
| 01:17.13 | ksx4system | problem solved |
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| 01:27.17 | mitch|grounded | yay, found a bootloader based on grub |
| 01:27.30 | mitch|grounded | downloading the installer now and then gonna set up debian |
| 01:27.50 | mitch|grounded | it's BURG |
| 01:28.32 | dvs | wonders why it's so hard to start the installer |
| 01:28.54 | mitch|grounded | dvs, I have no working CD drive |
| 01:29.04 | mitch|grounded | or floppy drive |
| 01:29.08 | mitch|grounded | usb is usb1.0 |
| 01:29.15 | mitch|grounded | and can't boot from it |
| 01:29.21 | mitch|grounded | win32-loader does not work.. |
| 01:29.42 | homes | i think people give away more functional computers |
| 01:29.47 | dvs | goes looking for Rube Goldberg |
| 01:29.48 | homes | can you network boot? |
| 01:29.57 | mitch|grounded | ... |
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| 01:30.01 | mitch|grounded | why did I not think of that |
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| 01:31.21 | mitch|grounded | aand dad not letting me use the debian box I already have set up |
| 01:31.32 | mitch|grounded | so can't set up a netboot atm anyway |
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| 01:32.47 | mitch|grounded | wait, couldn't I set up osloader to boot an initrd |
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| 01:35.59 | mitch|grounded | anyone here use osloader? |
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| 01:43.01 | petn-randall | mitch|grounded: you didn't by any chance get grounded for breaking the last computer, did you? |
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| 01:43.12 | petn-randall | smirks |
| 01:43.18 | mitch|grounded | no |
| 01:43.30 | mitch|grounded | I got grounded because 'i needed to be more social' |
| 01:43.40 | abrotman | is IRC considered social? |
| 01:43.41 | dvs | ??? |
| 01:43.56 | mitch|grounded | idk |
| 01:44.06 | Cyclohexane | is it possible to grep the process using the most memory from ps aux? |
| 01:44.17 | mitch|grounded | htop |
| 01:44.22 | petn-randall | Cyclohexane: it's easier to use top/htop for that |
| 01:44.27 | dvs | Cyclohexane: top would be easier |
| 01:44.28 | gry | what does 'grounded' stand for? |
| 01:44.48 | Cyclohexane | still is there a way to get something that is using a lot of memory? |
| 01:44.51 | Cyclohexane | uing grep |
| 01:44.52 | zinx | gry: it's when you're connected to the earth via a conductive material, obviously |
| 01:45.21 | petn-randall | gry: grounded means you mum/dad doesn't allow you to leave the house, usually. |
| 01:45.35 | petn-randall | or zinx's definition ;) |
| 01:46.26 | mitch|grounded | gry, grounded means I'm not allowed to use most of my computers |
| 01:46.34 | mitch|grounded | I'm stuck with the lowest power ones |
| 01:46.38 | mitch|grounded | to me, thats torture :P |
| 01:46.54 | petn-randall | or grounded means that tower hasn't given you clearance for flight. |
| 01:47.02 | mitch|grounded | lol |
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| 01:51.04 | mitch|grounded | Gotta go |
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| 01:51.43 | petn-randall | mitch|grounded: have fun, and good luck with getting debian onto that machine :) |
| 01:52.26 | IsoLinCHiP | Hi. I am trying to install Debian from a USB stick as per http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch04s03.html.en section 4.3.3 , the stick boots, but the installer cant "mount the CD" any ideas, what Im doing wrong? |
| 01:52.57 | zinx | IsoLinCHiP: did you change the name of the .iso? |
| 01:53.12 | zinx | oh they are hybrid now |
| 01:53.21 | IsoLinCHiP | Section 4.3.3.2 is very unelaborate about where to place to ISO, so Im guessing thats most likely the problem |
| 01:53.25 | bezaban | Cyclohexane: ps -eo pid,command,%mem --sort %mem | tail -1 |
| 01:53.39 | IsoLinCHiP | zinx: No, I did not change the name, should I have? |
| 01:53.40 | zinx | IsoLinCHiP: how did you put the iso on the USB stick? |
| 01:53.46 | IsoLinCHiP | zinx: cp |
| 01:54.18 | IsoLinCHiP | well actually with MC, but basically thats the same ;) |
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| 01:54.26 | dvs | IsoLinCHiP: section 4.3.2 can be applied to most debian 6 ISO images |
| 01:54.34 | zinx | IsoLinCHiP: if you have access to a machine that can do it, just write the .iso to the stick raw, that is, dd if=/path/to/iso of=/dev/usbstick |
| 01:55.02 | IsoLinCHiP | I am aware of that option, but I am trying to make a multiboot stick |
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| 01:55.20 | abrotman | IsoLinCHiP: why not just do the smiple method? |
| 01:55.20 | zinx | IsoLinCHiP: ah, then i believe the iso needs a particular name |
| 01:55.54 | IsoLinCHiP | zinx: do you by chance know the correct name? |
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| 01:56.58 | zinx | IsoLinCHiP: no, but i expect at minimum that it must have the extension '.iso', and it may need to be a short filename rather than long |
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| 02:38.14 | MACscr | maybe a weird question, but has anyone ever added debian systems to a redhat cluster? I need to be able to do that in order to access the shared storage |
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| 02:43.11 | haggalut | Glory to God not git. |
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| 02:44.22 | abrotman | MACscr: depends on what protocol it all speaks? |
| 02:45.07 | MACscr | abrotman: i guess it exists for debian http://packages.debian.org/unstable/admin/redhat-cluster-suite |
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| 02:47.15 | abrotman | MACscr: answers your question |
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| 02:51.45 | MrMonkey1 | noob needs help with learning commands: what would be a command to list all sub-directories with 300 megs of data or more? |
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| 02:52.33 | ChibaPet | MrMonkey1: In depth, or immediate subdirectories of where you are right now? |
| 02:53.00 | MrMonkey1 | chibapet: the immediate |
| 02:53.06 | abrotman | MrMonkey1: du -sh * |
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| 02:54.19 | ChibaPet | MrMonkey1: What abrotman said, but you might want to instead du -sk * | sort -n |
| 02:54.35 | ChibaPet | ...and look for things roughly 300,000 and over |
| 02:55.00 | ChibaPet | du -sh will give you "human readable" output, which will intersperse gigabyte counts with megabyte counts and so fortyh |
| 02:55.03 | uberotter | I just got a thinkpad x230 on which I installed the base system + statndard utilities then added awesome WM. What I'm having trouble with is getting all the touchpad functions working, specifically side scroll. I've followed the directions at http://wiki.debian.org/SynapticsTouchpad to no avail. One thing that seems odd is I can't use syndaemon or synclient, both report synaptics driver isn't loaded. |
| 02:55.03 | ChibaPet | forth* |
| 02:55.14 | abrotman | the sort -n doesn't really work with the directory sizes |
| 02:55.27 | ChibaPet | abrotman: Sure, that's where the -sk comes in. |
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| 02:55.37 | abrotman | i guess .. |
| 02:55.53 | ChibaPet | I was trying to think of a way to have it do something smart with units, but I didn't find one. |
| 02:55.56 | ChibaPet | sort that is |
| 02:55.58 | MrMonkey1 | yayyy thanks |
| 02:56.03 | abrotman | it's a shame it's not built in to the utility |
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| 02:56.34 | ChibaPet | abrotman: I agree. I've wanted something like that more than once. |
| 02:56.54 | abrotman | wishlist bug! |
| 02:57.04 | ChibaPet | That's one where I should actually submit a patch. |
| 02:57.31 | ChibaPet | Emailing myself a request to do that. :P |
| 02:57.48 | abrotman | what? you don't have your own personal BTS? |
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| 02:58.09 | ChibaPet | I'm planning to set up RT but I haven't done so yet. I've been emailing myself for ages. |
| 02:58.22 | abrotman | mantis might be a bit simpler? :) |
| 02:58.28 | abrotman | i like RT though |
| 02:58.29 | ChibaPet | Dunno, unfamiliar with it. Looking. |
| 02:58.35 | abrotman | and way better than OTRS |
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| 02:58.50 | themill | wouldn't run mantis on an exposed server |
| 02:59.08 | abrotman | themill: nor me, but it is a decent bug/issue tracker |
| 02:59.53 | ChibaPet | Ooh, I don't know. Written in PHP. |
| 03:00.00 | ChibaPet | I tend to avoid PHP like the plague. |
| 03:00.11 | ChibaPet | Anyway, hitting the sack, but have a good night, all. |
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| 04:18.00 | reavengrey | Hi, is it possible to update X11, such that it holds all |
| 04:18.15 | reavengrey | Wtf |
| 04:18.34 | nevyn | holds all? |
| 04:18.43 | reavengrey | Hi, is it possible to upgrade X11 to backports version, without upgrading my kernel from backports? |
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| 04:18.56 | reavengrey | The idea is to get the updated drivers through X11 |
| 04:19.05 | reavengrey | I need an updated radeon driver, basically |
| 04:19.53 | reavengrey | So, I'm aiming basically, to get xserver-xorg-video-all from backports |
| 04:19.57 | reavengrey | ultimately |
| 04:21.02 | themill | dpkg: tell reavengrey about bdo xorg |
| 04:21.23 | reavengrey | Yes, I have personally asked dpkg about bdo, though |
| 04:21.46 | reavengrey | The question isn't really whether or not I can use backports -- it's whether or not anyone knows if my approach is feasible |
| 04:21.59 | themill | have you read what dpkg just told you? |
| 04:22.00 | reavengrey | Can I upgrade X11 to get the Radeon updAted driver |
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| 04:22.32 | reavengrey | So, it's safe and sane then |
| 04:22.56 | reavengrey | Kk, trying it, thanks |
| 04:23.02 | themill | depending on whether you think «It is probably a very good idea to install the Linux kernel from squeeze-backports as well. It is even required for the nouveau video driver.» means "safe and sane". |
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| 04:59.05 | vmiimu | what' s the best way to install a LAMP stack? (Not necessarily the easiest) Why? Disclaimer: newb tryin to learn |
| 04:59.08 | blastwave | is there a way to file a bug report on a pre-release version of debian ? |
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| 04:59.23 | blastwave | vmiimu: build from source |
| 04:59.32 | vmiimu | i.e. apt-get / taskel vs. something else? |
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| 04:59.46 | vmiimu | blastwave: ie download + make / make install etc.? |
| 04:59.46 | blastwave | vmiimu: the best site in the world to leanr from would be The Linux from Scratch project |
| 05:00.08 | blastwave | vmiimu: well ... it takes a lot more than that ... but yes |
| 05:00.17 | Towzzer | blastwav, try apt-get , it's very easy |
| 05:00.24 | blastwave | really the Linux From Scratch project covers this in detail |
| 05:00.32 | Towzzer | 50% when you type make, it will spew random text then error |
| 05:00.55 | Towzzer | that's brannigan's law |
| 05:00.59 | vmiimu | blastwave: will check there but to understand better - you suggest this because it will be more ud to date vs stale repo? |
| 05:01.01 | blastwave | Towzzer: no .. that is for people that want other people to do the work for them .. build from source to learn and do open source correctly |
| 05:01.27 | Towzzer | aren't you letting the programmers do the work for you? |
| 05:01.54 | blastwave | vmiimu: your own builds are always the best way to go IF you want to really sleep at night and know exactly where every piece comes from and you want the experience to build these things |
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| 05:02.07 | blastwave | Towzzer: I am one of the programmers |
| 05:03.04 | blastwave | vmiimu: start with the most basic .. in fact .. if you want .. I will do this right now because I just build a fresh test PowerPC64 server and can go through the basic steps |
| 05:03.22 | blastwave | vmiimu: you game ? |
| 05:03.29 | themill | dpkg: tell vmiimu about lamp |
| 05:03.32 | vmiimu | sweet - i'm sittin on a fresh ssh w/ deb clean minimal |
| 05:03.34 | vmiimu | i'm down |
| 05:03.52 | vmiimu | lets do it! =) |
| 05:04.17 | blastwave | you know .. I like it when the universe lines things up .. okay .. yes .. let's |
| 05:04.25 | blastwave | you may want a coffee .. but hell .. |
| 05:04.44 | vmiimu | I got soda |
| 05:04.59 | blastwave | okay ... the first thing we should both agree on is where you want the whole software stack to live .. I strongly suggest we use /usr/local as that is best for newbies |
| 05:05.21 | vmiimu | thats the default place where stuff common to all users goes? |
| 05:05.30 | blastwave | we need to also agree on the architecture .. a lot of people hit make and never consider the implications of the architecture |
| 05:05.50 | vmiimu | i've got mine in a vbox vm |
| 05:06.08 | blastwave | well ... herein lay the great seed of pain and knowledge .. i have done this many many many many times and if you want .. you can build a pile of software into your own $HOME/local |
| 05:06.22 | themill | eh? |
| 05:06.30 | blastwave | no no .. I mean .. will we go with a pure 32-bit build or 64-bit or mixed |
| 05:06.44 | vmiimu | ah - 32 |
| 05:06.49 | blastwave | I suggest you pick one and stick with it unless you are an expert |
| 05:06.51 | themill | vmiimu: don't waste your time recompiling software that is an apt-get away. |
| 05:07.00 | blastwave | I live in 64-bit land and will build 64-bit |
| 05:07.23 | blastwave | vmiimu: please ignore those that choose to never look at the source or just "do this" to learn |
| 05:07.37 | vmiimu | themill: i've used apt-get and done the single command taskel thing but would like to go through this process to become more faimilar with how things work as I feel the added experience can be valuable |
| 05:07.40 | blastwave | this is the best thing you can do and I have built thousands of packages |
| 05:08.20 | blastwave | oookay .. first we need the great sources .. please see http://ftp.gnu.org/pub/gnu/ |
| 05:08.22 | themill | blastwave: this is #debian. we're here to provide help for users of debian in the best way possible. Randomly recompiling things and frigging until error messages go away doesn't teach you anything |
| 05:08.38 | blastwave | themill: wrong |
| 05:08.43 | themill | umm. no., |
| 05:09.14 | blastwave | themill: dude .. I released over 5000 software packages to the corporate and commercial unix world .. want to compare with my experience on this ? |
| 05:09.26 | blastwave | just don't go there |
| 05:09.30 | vmiimu | blastwave: so this ftp has a bunch of stuff - how / what do i look at? |
| 05:09.34 | blastwave | vmiimu: let me set up a private chan |
| 05:09.43 | blastwave | vmiimu: we get the sources from there |
| 05:09.44 | themill | vmiimu: if you want linux from scratch, perhaps ask in #lfs-support |
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| 05:10.18 | blastwave | vmiimu: one sec ... this is very worthwhile .. and I can do this with my eyes closed but not with this noise chatter from children .. one sec |
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| 05:10.54 | vmiimu | k |
| 05:11.09 | themill | blastwave: the children vote you should stick to /topic in #debian. |
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| 05:12.48 | themill | vmiimu: if you really believe that recompiling stuff is going to do anything more than consume electricity, then the linux-from-scratch project might be of interest. If you want to poke around inside the sources, the "apt-get source $packagename". If you want to look at how packages are related, then "apt-cache show $packagename". |
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| 05:49.37 | MO_Handes | !efi |
| 05:49.38 | dpkg | Unified Extensible Firmware Interface (UEFI) is a firmware interface specification, intended to replace the <BIOS> firmware interface. Debian 7.0 "Wheezy" supports installation in (U)EFI mode on 64-bit PC systems (amd64), <secure boot> is currently not supported. http://www.uefi.org/ |
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| 05:51.50 | odirus | When I use "aptitude upgrade" to upgrade my system from squeeze to wheezy , how long does the "Resolving dependencies" take ? It has taken about three hours on resolving dependencies. Thank you |
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| 05:53.35 | themill | odirus: you should be using "apt-get dist-upgrade" not "aptitude upgrade" to do that upgrade |
| 05:53.39 | odirus | It show "open:13014; closed:36697; defer:913; conflict:2224" now, What's the meaning of if ? |
| 05:53.43 | MO_Handes | I installed wheezy but it does not show in the boot menu and windows boot manager shows. how can I make it boot to debian? |
| 05:54.36 | odirus | themill: Thank you, I will have a try. |
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| 05:56.47 | congzhang | when will debian 7 be release? |
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| 05:58.28 | themill | soon |
| 05:58.50 | reavengrey | (TM) |
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| 06:01.44 | jelly-home | !rc bugs |
| 06:01.44 | dpkg | Release-Critical bugs are Debian bugs with critical, grave or serious severities, preventing the next release of Debian. See the graph at http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/ or the lists at http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/other/all.html http://udd.debian.org/bugs.cgi?release=squeeze&patch=ign&pending=ign&merged=ign&done=ign&rc=1 . See also <rc-alert>. |
| 06:03.37 | congzhang | open was more than closed |
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| 06:13.00 | congzhang | how about gnu/hurd? |
| 06:13.18 | themill | it's not in a releasable state |
| 06:13.59 | reavengrey | HURD is the future |
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| 06:44.39 | gnude | good morning all debian users |
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| 06:59.59 | belak | Hi, I've been trying to get vim to work with my colorscheme... I've got a 256 color terminal (rxvt-unicode, TERM=rxvt-256color), but the zenburn colorscheme doesn't load like it does in gvim... it's worked fine in numberous distros, so I'm confused as to what I'm doing wrong |
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| 07:01.07 | belak | I'm using the vim-gtk package, though it does the same thing with vim-nox |
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| 07:06.02 | belak | Well, that's crazy... why make a second package for the 256 color version, but leave the 256 color version of the terminfo in with the regular package? |
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| 07:15.09 | dmonjo | hello |
| 07:15.14 | dmonjo | can anyone help me with this? |
| 07:15.16 | dmonjo | http://pastie.org/6599864 |
| 07:15.19 | dmonjo | unable to install packages |
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| 07:18.21 | themill | dmonjo: what are you really trying to do here? And what release of debian are you running? |
| 07:18.31 | dmonjo | debian 6.0 |
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| 07:18.51 | dmonjo | i am trying to follow a tutorial http://current.workingdirectory.net/posts/2012/vp8-and-debian/ |
| 07:19.00 | dmonjo | to install gstreamer and its dependencies |
| 07:19.17 | themill | most of those packages don't exist at all, and those that do, don't exist for wheezy. |
| 07:19.56 | dmonjo | how can i know what arte the equivalent for wheezu? |
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| 07:20.16 | themill | err... "don't exist for either squeeze or wheezy" |
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| 07:54.18 | CruX| | or is there pidgin with qt interface ? |
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| 08:17.38 | caraconan | Hi all. I have 2 identical SATA disks and I want to set up a RAID 1. If I want my RAID to have 2 partitions (/ and swap), should I make those partitions on each disk ? |
| 08:18.44 | yuppiebunny | err... hi. i guess it depends on raid type |
| 08:19.39 | caraconan | I'm almost sure that when I installed wheezy I was able to make 2 partitions on the RAID volume without having to make 2 partitions on each disk, but with aqueeze installer I'm stuck |
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| 08:20.25 | yuppiebunny | you will either have a mirrored swap partition to boths disks (raid 1) or just one swap on one disk (raid 0) |
| 08:21.10 | caraconan | But it's possible to have this setup? RAID -> 2 partitions sda1 -> 1 partition sda2 -> 1 partition RAID 1 |
| 08:21.43 | caraconan | BTW I hate Debian installer, from far the worst part in this great distro |
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| 08:23.17 | yuppiebunny | err... as far as i know about raids, i guess not. you will have only one disk with a few partitions on it. on the other side, i maybe wrong because i don't know much about raid :D |
| 08:24.33 | jelly-home | caraconan: sure it's possible, but to what end? That would decimate your io performance. |
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| 08:25.45 | caraconan | So if I want to end up with 2 partitions (/ and swap) I should first of all make them in each disk and then create 2 different md logical 'units' ? |
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| 08:26.16 | jelly-home | do you have two disks? |
| 08:26.26 | jelly-home | oh, you do. |
| 08:26.51 | caraconan | Yes |
| 08:27.17 | Arafangion | jelly-home: (Btw: I have sound, and video, all working perfectly, infact, the overall system is working better, too - thanks for the suggestions last night!) |
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| 08:27.46 | MO_Handes | is there any guide to how to make wheezy amd 64 boot with efi? |
| 08:27.48 | jelly-home | caraconan: sure, the classic md setup is done just like that, each filesystem on their own md, each md raid1 on their own pair of partitions on identically partitioned disks |
| 08:28.09 | caraconan | <jelly-home> thanks sir, I will go that way |
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| 08:28.41 | jelly-home | caraconan: one thing to note: if you have 2TB disks, do not format or use any sectors above the 2,000,000,000,000 bytes mark |
| 08:29.07 | caraconan | <jelly-home> Thanks for the info, 1TB in my case |
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| 08:30.04 | jelly-home | same thing applies. When a disk dies, if you get a 1TB device from a different vendor, the only thing you can be sure about the size is that it's going to have 1,000,000,000,000 bytes usable |
| 08:30.51 | caraconan | Not 100% sure to understand that last bit... |
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| 08:31.02 | jelly-home | anything above that mark might or might not be there, so it's easy to run into problems if you use the full space |
| 08:31.13 | caraconan | Ah, ok |
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| 08:33.02 | jelly-home | it's a consequence of hdd vendors using base-10 units |
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| 08:33.57 | jelly-home | a real device might have eg. User Capacity: 1,000,204,886,016 bytes [1.00 TB] |
| 08:34.15 | jelly-home | avoid partitioning and using the 204,886,016 extra. |
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| 08:46.33 | invariant | jelly-home, isn't that only useful if you want to clone drives in the first place? |
| 08:46.46 | Iridos | should be 1099511627776 bytes! cheats! |
| 08:47.15 | invariant | jelly-home, under normal conditions by the time you buy new hardware, the densities have increased and the problem doesn't even exist. |
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| 08:47.45 | invariant | jelly-home, but otherwise it sounds like a good idea. |
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| 08:48.07 | Iridos | invariant, are you saying... one drive fails and you'd stick in a 2TB drive as a replacement? |
| 08:48.47 | invariant | Iridos, if it completely fails, you would have to use backups in the first place. |
| 08:49.16 | invariant | Iridos, if it's just performing a lot more badly, then you could still use dd or something like that. |
| 08:49.17 | Iridos | depends on your type of raid |
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| 08:49.40 | invariant | Iridos, oh, my mistake. I should have read the scrollback. |
| 08:49.46 | invariant | Iridos, I don't like RAID at all. |
| 08:50.10 | invariant | Iridos, ideally a storage system adapt to the hardware it is given. |
| 08:50.18 | invariant | With RAID you need to plan things and think about things. |
| 08:50.28 | invariant | Exactly opposite to what computer science is about. |
| 08:50.29 | ghost75 | likes zfs |
| 08:50.30 | Iridos | thinking sucks? |
| 08:50.44 | invariant | Iridos, yes, for things that shouldn't require thinking. |
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| 08:51.25 | invariant | Iridos, do you think Google wrote distributed file systems because they liked system administration? |
| 08:51.28 | LinaSovereign | Hey ! |
| 08:51.45 | invariant | Iridos, no, they wanted to eliminate mundane details. |
| 08:51.51 | invariant | Iridos, that's progress. |
| 08:52.31 | invariant | In cars, most people still have manual gears while in F1 racing everything is done automatically. I think the F1 racing approach is much better. |
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| 09:02.37 | jelly-home | invariant: normal conditions are: 3 out of 200 (or 1000, if you ask the vendors) drives deteriorate in a year. Do you feel lucky? |
| 09:03.48 | invariant | jelly-home, I think you are probably thinking of a server context. |
| 09:03.57 | jelly-home | nope |
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| 09:04.05 | invariant | jelly-home, ok, then I am perhaps just lucky. |
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| 09:05.57 | errorist | hi, hash sum mismatch on deb-multimedia :\ |
| 09:06.16 | jelly-home | 0.3% AFR specced on my consumer seagate drives, they're not meant to be used in servers at all |
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| 09:08.58 | jelly-home | errorist: rm the relevant files in your /var/lib/apt/lists/ and try again. If you're certain the problem is on the repo side, you'll have to contact Marillat directly or use their mailing list. |
| 09:09.29 | jelly-home | deb http://www.deb-multimedia.org sid main non-free # apt-get update doesn't report any errors for me on i386 at present time |
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| 09:17.31 | ghost75 | (09:52:31) invariant: In cars, most people still have manual gears while in F1 racing everything is done automatically. I think the F1 racing approach is much better. <- higher costs |
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| 09:18.30 | gintek | Hi, have you any idea how to enable SYSLOG_HISTORY log in bash 4.1 from bash-builtins packages ? |
| 09:18.40 | errorist | jelly-home: E: Failed to fetch http://www.deb-multimedia.org/pool/main/liba/libaacplus/libaacplus2_2.0.2-dmo1_amd64.deb: Hash Sum mismatch |
| 09:18.53 | errorist | jelly-home: will apt-get clean be enough? |
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| 09:20.05 | errorist | clean was not enough. hmm going to look for files in var to delete then :\ |
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| 09:20.52 | jelly-home | errorist: nope, clean the package lists/release files and redo an update |
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| 09:21.19 | errorist | jelly-home: I can remove all files in lists without doing any harm right? |
| 09:21.42 | jelly-home | errorist: no. You may safely rm /var/lib/apt/lists/*_* tho |
| 09:22.00 | errorist | jelly-home: ohh thanks :) |
| 09:22.03 | jelly-home | there's a teeny wee lock file that has to be kept intact |
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| 09:22.32 | errorist | jelly-home: yeah I guess. Got a partial file too. |
| 09:22.39 | jelly-home | directory, yeah |
| 09:23.32 | errorist | did rm *_*; going to: apt-get clean;apt-get update && apt-get upgrade and crossing fingers |
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| 09:26.15 | errorist | E: Failed to fetch http://www.deb-multimedia.org/pool/main/liba/libaacplus/libaacplus2_2.0.2-dmo1_amd64.deb: Hash Sum mismatch sigh. |
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| 09:30.06 | Asenar | Hi, I have a 107 touch qwerty keyboard and I cant find it on the available layout. do you know how can i fix that ? |
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| 09:32.43 | XATRIX | Hi, is there any files where i can insert my string to be autoexecuted after the system start ? |
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| 09:33.56 | Nik05 | use crontab with @BOOT |
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| 09:34.05 | Asenar | XATRIX, maybe on cron @reboot |
| 09:34.20 | jacobw | XATRIX: /etc/rc.local |
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| 09:34.50 | XATRIX | jacobw: Yea, thanks. That's what i was looking for. Asenar , Nik05 not exactly cron-way :) |
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| 09:35.13 | steambox | you mom is seeking that... |
| 09:35.19 | steambox | for |
| 09:35.52 | XATRIX | jacobw: I was looking the way to autoexec : "maldet --monitor /mnt/private/100/mnt/www/,/mnt/private/101/mnt/www,/mnt/private/102/mnt/www,/mnt/private/103/var/www" after the system starts |
| 09:35.56 | Nik05 | "insert my string to be autoexecuted"... crontab looked safer for you :P |
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| 09:40.33 | rozie | hello. is there a way to _safely_ get e4defrag (e2fsprogs) in Squeeze? |
| 09:41.07 | jacobw | XATRIX: be aware that init blocks; if you have a init sript that hangs the boot process will fail at that point, with rc.local it's quite safe because it's called the end of the process |
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| 09:42.21 | jacobw | XATRIX: a full init script might be a better solution if you want to daemonize a process |
| 09:42.26 | rozie | cannot see this package on backports and wonder, if it's because of possible kernel issues |
| 09:42.54 | XATRIX | jacobw: it's already demonize itself and exits... But what do you mean , it can hang rc.local ? |
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| 09:43.14 | XATRIX | If it doesn't start successfully , rc.local will suspend the boot process ? |
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| 09:43.57 | jacobw | rc.local won't cause the boot process to fail because it's called at the end of the multiuser runlevel of init (see runlevels) |
| 09:44.28 | XATRIX | Ah, ok... so, it's better to use this way to autostart |
| 09:44.53 | jacobw | XATRIX: if it daemonizes correctly with that command then that's fine |
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| 09:45.08 | XATRIX | Ok, thanks |
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| 09:48.01 | XATRIX | hm... /etc/rc.local: 14: maldet: not found |
| 09:48.13 | XATRIX | Ok, will set a full path to |
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| 09:49.20 | dizzylizzy | i love debian |
| 09:49.25 | debianN00b | I need help , I am experiencing slow Interenet speed(Which should not be) . For example when i ping google.com it takes more than 15 seconds even "unknown host" .. same thing happening when browsing webs |
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| 09:49.58 | debianN00b | Internet speed is good in other OS like windows. I have google searched and it seems that the problem comming from nameserver ... Not sure though since i am not good in networking |
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| 09:52.06 | jacobw | debianN00b: try to resolve google.com using Google's nameservers, `dig @8.8.4.4 google.com` |
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| 09:52.58 | jacobw | debianN00b: if that suceededs, set your nameserver to Google and test resolving arbitrary domains; if it fails check connectivity to the internet and DNS |
| 09:53.21 | babilen | debianN00b: Also provide information about your networking hardware (e.g. lspci -nn output on http://paste.debian.net ), the drivers you use and so on. |
| 09:53.55 | xiaoy | debianN00b, besides dns and hw, try disabling ipv6... |
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| 09:54.35 | babilen | (which at this point in time really shouldn'tâ„¢ be problematic) |
| 09:55.18 | debianN00b | jacobw, This is network information of mine http://pastebin.com/CYRxs8gf |
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| 09:57.01 | debianN00b | <PROTECTED> |
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| 09:57.43 | debianN00b | babilen, http://pastebin.com/L8sxh5Pv |
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| 09:59.21 | Kyshtynbai | Hi guys! I've installed debian 6 and everything works fine, but I can't establish vpn connection. In gnome 2 network manager, in VPN tab button "add" is unactive an unpressable. Could you pelase help me? |
| 09:59.35 | debianN00b | babilen, http://paste.debian.net/242475/ |
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| 10:01.51 | marc_smith | hello. Will Debian switch to systemd, or will it stay with init? |
| 10:02.12 | marc_smith | I can't seem to find definitive answer |
| 10:02.36 | jelly | there isn't one yet |
| 10:03.00 | jelly | upstart is also an option |
| 10:03.40 | babilen | marc_smith: That issue has been discussed ad nauseam on debian-devel ... Feel free to read, for example, https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2011/07/msg00269.html |
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| 10:03.54 | marc_smith | hmm, I'm kinda affraid of Debian switching away from init. I find init [or BSD=style ini scripts, in turn\ to be most effective and easy to grasp. Upstart and - especially - systemd sounds like a nightmare to me. I tested systemd and I was terrified. |
| 10:04.05 | marc_smith | thx, babilen |
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| 10:05.08 | ksk | marc_smith: so thats your opinion ;) |
| 10:06.00 | marc_smith | of course ... I don't want to push it. I'd just like to be able to have a choice - whether I need init or systemd ;) |
| 10:06.18 | debianN00b | babilen, I have installed these driver http://paste.debian.net/242476/ , also the firmware-realtak |
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| 10:06.42 | debianN00b | is there any issue? |
| 10:06.50 | marc_smith | Debian seemed to give choice since its beginnings. I hope it won't stop ensuring us that we can decide upon the shape of our own systems |
| 10:07.10 | themill | marc_smith: choice is possible, but it's unlikely that anyone will really want to spend the huge amount of time and effort to properly support more than one init system |
| 10:07.11 | marc_smith | that's all I'd ask, really |
| 10:07.55 | marc_smith | themill: doesn't sound good ... and what about different kernels? aren't they incompatible with systemd? |
| 10:08.01 | marc_smith | freebsd, hurd |
| 10:08.16 | marc_smith | possibly other |
| 10:08.22 | themill | marc_smith: at present, which may be a showstopper for systemd in Debian |
| 10:08.55 | marc_smith | correct me if I'm wrong, but systemd seems to be highly linux-centric project. Why not staying with what's working? |
| 10:09.00 | themill | marc_smith: debian only supports one init system at present -- all I'm doing is stating the current situation there, not saying that it will change |
| 10:09.14 | marc_smith | I understand, themill |
| 10:09.15 | steambox | umm, upstart, systemd and openrc are not faster than sysv or bsd init |
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| 10:09.33 | themill | steambox: it's not about speed, it's about reliability. |
| 10:09.41 | marc_smith | I'm just noting that systemd was probobly not made to work with anything else than linux kernel |
| 10:09.54 | steambox | in theory |
| 10:09.59 | jacobw | debianN00b: did resolving google.com with Google's nameserver work? `dig @8.8.4.4 google.com`? |
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| 10:10.19 | debianN00b | jacobw, yeah |
| 10:10.20 | themill | I don't think rehashing the same discussion here again is worthwhile. There is nothing to add to what has already been said. |
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| 10:10.48 | marc_smith | BTW would supporting two separate init systemd be such a problem? just a question, as I'm not a great coder |
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| 10:11.06 | marc_smith | init systems* |
| 10:11.11 | debianN00b | jacobw, i did yet modify the resolv.conf |
| 10:11.15 | debianN00b | *not |
| 10:11.38 | marc_smith | [themill - I'm reading through the discussion right now, don't worry] |
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| 10:12.44 | jacobw | debianN00b: put the lines 'nameserver 8.8.4.4' and 'nameserver '8.8.8.8' at the top of the file (or after the comment at the top of the file) |
| 10:13.48 | debianN00b | jacobw, i should not delete anything from resolv.conf? And after putting google nameserver i need to restart my network? |
| 10:13.50 | themill | marc_smith: it's a question of how much effort you want maintainers to put into fixing a bug in a package that is specific to one init system. If it's "grave" (the release can't happen until that's fixed) or if it's "wishlist". It's also a question of how much testing things get. There was a subtle btrfs bug a week or so ago which iirc originated because the maintainer uses an init system other than the one that exposed the bug |
| 10:13.56 | jacobw | marc_smith: my understanding of the situation is that Debian will not switch to systemd because it's not available for all kernels the project supports |
| 10:14.26 | steambox | jacobw: google dns = dns hijacking |
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| 10:14.59 | jacobw | steambox: also DNS service :) |
| 10:15.31 | jacobw | debianN00b: the resolver will use the first 3 nameservers defined in resolv.conf |
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| 10:15.48 | marc_smith | themill: thx for great explanation. You know, I always thought that things should be written with portability in mind ;) thus my question. |
| 10:16.04 | steambox | jacobw: read wikipedia about google dns and opendns about dns hijacking and anycast |
| 10:16.06 | marc_smith | jacobw: thx, jacobw. That's what I understood from what I've already seen |
| 10:16.16 | jacobw | debianN00b: you don't need to restart the network, changes to resolv.conf are effective immediately |
| 10:16.23 | themill | steambox: is there some relevance to #debian user support here? |
| 10:16.54 | steambox | themill: resolv.conf |
| 10:17.07 | themill | no |
| 10:17.15 | themill | marc_smith: depends whether you want to use new features and improve things or work to the lowest common denominator of what's already out there. There's always a balance to strike. |
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| 10:17.51 | debianN00b | jacobw, I doing like this http://paste.debian.net/242478/ ... is this ok? |
| 10:17.53 | marc_smith | themill: very good point. But actually, I guess it's always "better" - in the long term - to stick to the so-called "standards". That'd be my take on this |
| 10:18.03 | Kyshtynbai | solved an isuue by installing some network-manager plugins. It's strange they're not installed by default. |
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| 10:18.27 | marc_smith | that way you'd be able to avoid any future problems with portability, I guess |
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| 10:19.14 | themill | marc_smith: we'd still be flipping switches on input boards to input assembled images if standards were never superseded by the next technology to come along. |
| 10:19.17 | jacobw | debianN00b: that's OK except that 8.8,4.4 on line 6 should be 8.8.4.4 :) |
| 10:19.34 | marc_smith | but I'm perfectly aware of this "conflict" between old-standardised [maybe not perfect] and new-non-standardised [possibly risky and not perfect eitherr] |
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| 10:19.58 | debianN00b | heh |
| 10:20.00 | jacobw | debianN00b: also, if you're using network-manager we'll have to set the nameservers in network-manager too, but for testing this is OK |
| 10:20.10 | marc_smith | themill: well, maybe not, we'd never know. BSDs are still there, after all. I guess it's not that black-white |
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| 10:20.43 | marc_smith | themill: but I get your point and I'm aware of the problem |
| 10:21.11 | jacobw | debianN00b: see if browsing is quicker now |
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| 10:21.59 | debianN00b | jacobw, It seems now quicker..! |
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| 10:23.18 | marc_smith | themill: oh, and one more thing comes to mind: "newer" doesn't necessarily means "better". But that's obvious, I suppose. And I'm sure Debian team is perfectly aware of this. I can see how it's making wise choices over the years, so I'm not THAT affraid of the future |
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| 10:23.38 | jacobw | debianN00b: cool, check the speed that something like speedtest.net shows with your other OS maybe |
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| 10:24.15 | jacobw | debianN00b: for now, if you're using network-manager (the network icon in GNOME), you'll need to set the nameservers there instead of in resolv.conf |
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| 10:24.24 | debianN00b | jacobw, i believe it solved the connection speed :) |
| 10:24.29 | jacobw | debianN00b: network-manager overwrite resolv.conf each time it connects to a network |
| 10:24.44 | debianN00b | jacobw, i am using kde-network |
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| 10:27.23 | jacobw | debianN00b: I can't tell you exactly how to set it network-manager-kde, but it'll be something like setting the IPv4 mode of your connection to 'DHCP (Addresses only)' and filling out the nameserver boxes |
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| 10:32.04 | debianN00b | jacobw, http://oi48.tinypic.com/2z8cd4o.jpg |
| 10:32.39 | debianN00b | It connect automatically... I also use multiple mode on single machine |
| 10:33.07 | debianN00b | So there is not created any network manually |
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| 10:36.15 | jacobw | debianN00b: set 'Method' to 'Automatic (DHCP) addresses only' and put 8.8.4.4 and 8.8.8.8 in as DNS servers then click OK and Apply |
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| 10:36.45 | jacobw | debianN00b: then take the connection down, bring it up, and check that 8.8.4.4 and 8.8.8.8 are in resolv.conf |
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| 10:38.52 | debianN00b | jacobw, now i only those two Google nameserver |
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| 10:42.48 | debianN00b | jacobw, Okay, now i can connect on irc quickly :) |
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| 10:43.43 | jacobw | debianN00b: then it sounds like your problem is solved :) |
| 10:43.48 | debianN00b | thanks for helping me jacobw ! |
| 10:44.37 | debianN00b | I hope it is solved now.... I will never back from Debian anymore :) |
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| 10:57.15 | john_rambo | I ahve configured ny dsl connection via network manager. It asks for keyring password evrytime on boot. I s there a way to bypass this ? |
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| 10:59.09 | korhojoa | john_rambo: don't use network manager? |
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| 10:59.40 | john_rambo | korhojoa, Then how will I connect ? |
| 11:00.01 | korhojoa | pppoe, i assume? |
| 11:01.09 | john_rambo | korhojoa, You mean put the router in pppoe mode? Thats real inconvenient coz the connection sometimes fails & redialing is an isssue |
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| 11:01.24 | jacobw | john_rambo: the gnome-keyring named 'login' should be opened by gnome-session |
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| 11:01.46 | jacobw | john_rambo: 'login' should contain all your network-manager secrets |
| 11:02.01 | john_rambo | jacobw, I am using xfce |
| 11:02.13 | jacobw | john_rambo: this usually happens if you change your login password but not the passphrase for the keyring |
| 11:02.22 | jacobw | john_rambo: korhojoa's suggestion isn't helpful |
| 11:02.58 | korhojoa | john_rambo: no, use pppoe (8) |
| 11:03.04 | john_rambo | jacobw, I didnt change any password. Both are the same |
| 11:03.59 | jacobw | john_rambo: i don't think xfce unlocks the keyring, network-manager-gnome assumes that you're using gnome |
| 11:04.56 | john_rambo | jacobw, Is ther a way to remove the password ? |
| 11:05.28 | jacobw | john_rambo: i don't know about removing the password, there's a few blog posts on using gnome-keyring with xfce, http://jpab.co.uk/blog/2011/11/using-gnome-keyring-with-xfce/ |
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| 11:15.53 | dzan | hi, any idea why this hangs? sudo mount -t nfs 127.0.0.1:/srv/nfsroot ./testnfs when service nfs-kernel-server status returns it's running? |
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| 11:18.14 | Rix | can i install wheezy rc1 from usb using normal cd image, or the image must be usb stick variant? |
| 11:18.39 | ChrisH | dzan: does rpcinfo -p comes back with lines? same for showmount -e |
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| 11:19.28 | ChrisH | dzan: next idea: replace ./testnfs with an absolute path |
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| 11:19.35 | dzan | ChrisH, http://pastebin.com/sYDGnxU1 |
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| 11:20.03 | dzan | absolute path no difference |
| 11:22.23 | dzan | ChrisH, any ideas left? :D |
| 11:24.00 | ChrisH | dzan: yes not lockd,statd and mountd are missing: rpc 100005 100021 100024 |
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| 11:24.52 | dzan | ChrisH, guess I'm a noob at this :D could you explain that last part please :) |
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| 11:26.48 | ChrisH | dzan: It must look like http://paste.debian.net/242494/ I removed some lines not related to NFS |
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| 11:27.34 | ChrisH | dzan: you need to start /etc/init.d/nfs-common too |
| 11:28.02 | dzan | ChrisH, I have lockd & mountd & status, i just grepped for nfs |
| 11:28.27 | dzan | full result: http://paste.debian.net/242495/ |
| 11:28.45 | dzan | nfs-common status: 'all daemons running' |
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| 11:30.37 | ChrisH | dzan: try: sudo -i ; mount -t nfs -o vers=3 127.0.0.1:/srv/nfsroot /some/dir/testnfs |
| 11:31.34 | dzan | ChrisH, |
| 11:31.35 | dzan | mount.nfs: access denied by server while mounting 127.0.0.1:/srv/nfsroot |
| 11:31.47 | dzan | guess that explains |
| 11:32.05 | ChrisH | dzan: ACK. you exported only to 192.168.0.0/255.255.0.0 |
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| 11:32.21 | rgms | Hey. This might be dumb question, but is it bad practice to make symlinks to my "favourite directories" in / ? Are there any security implications? |
| 11:32.40 | ChrisH | rgms: Why do you work in / ? |
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| 11:34.11 | Odaelak | Waltz with Koop. |
| 11:34.18 | rgms | well I don't but I thought it would be nice to not have to type in /home/user/blaa |
| 11:34.31 | et | ~user/blaa |
| 11:34.47 | et | and in decent shells you can give names to directories |
| 11:35.13 | Odaelak | Are you here? |
| 11:35.32 | rgms | ~ is too slow for me :) |
| 11:36.04 | rgms | at least in my keyboard layout |
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| 11:37.20 | dzan | ChrisH, thanks! mounting works now ( can't cd into it though, another permissions thing? ) |
| 11:37.22 | rgms | but do you think putting symlinks in my root is bad practice? It kind of seems dirty but I think I'd like to go through with it |
| 11:37.33 | dzan | ChrisH, nvm fixed that too |
| 11:37.36 | dzan | thx! |
| 11:37.40 | d47zm3 | hi, I've compiled new kernel, installed it, but now got issues with simple make... relevant info: http://pastebin.com/sqbzfr4v |
| 11:37.54 | d47zm3 | don't really know how to bite it |
| 11:38.15 | et | it's stupid, it doesn't work if you don't have root, it doesn't scale to multiple users, ... |
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| 11:39.57 | rgms | well I'm the only user. Why exactly do you think it's stupid? |
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| 11:44.05 | et | i already told you why, and there's no need at all for it ... and if ~ is too slow to type you can always add a keybinding |
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| 11:51.58 | polm23 | I'm currently connected to two machines via SSH, one running arch linux, one debian |
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| 12:08.07 | ChrisH | rgms: You do not work as root for normal stuff, do you? |
| 12:08.20 | rgms | nope |
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| 12:11.12 | ChrisH | rgms: you I do not like that symlink idea. use aliases unstead |
| 12:12.45 | rgms | yea geuss that would be a better idea |
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| 12:15.43 | dawud | rgms: you might like apparix |
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| 12:17.46 | dawud | rgms: I also find this function to be very useful http://geocities.com/h2428/petar/acd_func.htm, I ship it in every .bashrc I use |
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| 12:18.41 | mallxs | HI, for a citrix client i need libXm.so.4; apt-file shows me it is in libmotif4, but i can install it with apt-get ... i this is on a amd64 6.0.7 |
| 12:19.02 | et | so many problems that could be solved by a decent shell ;) |
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| 12:22.20 | jelly | mallxs: "can't" install it? |
| 12:22.38 | jelly | mallxs: do you need a 32bit or a 64bit libXm.so.4? |
| 12:23.42 | mallxs | jelly: i actually don't know but will go for the 64bit first to see if it works |
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| 12:26.21 | Iridos | indeed, "can install it" doesn't seem much of a problem |
| 12:26.41 | ChrisH | mallxs: FYI Sun Global Desktop (similar functions) needs 32bit |
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| 12:28.51 | mallxs | apt-file search libXm showed it just below a find in ia32-libs ... that may have confused me |
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| 12:30.11 | mallxs | ha now i see typo .. i CAN'T install it |
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| 12:33.19 | jelly | !tell mallxs about bat |
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| 12:34.57 | Odaelak | vagina |
| 12:35.03 | rgms | whoah |
| 12:35.18 | Odaelak | yep |
| 12:35.24 | Odaelak | i got shocked as well |
| 12:35.36 | Odaelak | when i realised i had a vagina |
| 12:35.38 | ompaul | !ops Odaelak wants some help ##biology is down the hall |
| 12:35.38 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: ompaul complains about: Odaelak wants some help ##biology is down the hall |
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| 12:35.48 | ompaul | tolllll |
| 12:35.56 | ompaul | missed the r |
| 12:36.25 | abrotman | huh? |
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| 12:36.46 | jelly | ompaul: to be honest, the troll's Koop suggestion was excellent as sysadminning music |
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| 12:36.59 | Sakara | I've got some really odd behaviour with my pipes. I am running the following command: ssh mini01 "tail -f /opt/local/var/squid/logs/access.log" | perl ./squid2ncsa.pl |
| 12:37.11 | Sakara | when I run it as is I see the output |
| 12:37.31 | Sakara | If I try pipe it to a file or another application I don't see anything and the file is always empty? |
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| 12:37.34 | Sakara | Any ideas? |
| 12:38.00 | ompaul | Sakara: something like | tee > |
| 12:38.27 | Sakara | I used > for the file and | to the other program |
| 12:38.36 | ompaul | and did you use tee |
| 12:39.08 | ompaul | like the suggestion says | (so we take the incoming) tee (we move it over here) > (and put it there) foo |
| 12:39.16 | Sakara | is I used |tee test.txt its no good |
| 12:39.32 | ompaul | Sakara: if you can't read what I put on the screen I can't help you |
| 12:39.54 | ompaul | somerandomoutput | tee > foo |
| 12:40.23 | ompaul | expects a pipe wasting call from someone |
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| 12:41.01 | Sakara | rand the following : ...ess.log" | perl ./squid2ncsa.pl | tee > foo Didn't get anyhting on the console and nothing int he file. |
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| 12:41.29 | ompaul | so there was no output btw I have no idea what squid3ncsa.pl does it might trap the output |
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| 12:42.25 | Sakara | squid3nsca.pl takes lines from a squid log file and moves bits around so its in ncsa format |
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| 12:43.37 | niko | .15 |
| 12:43.42 | ompaul | Sakara: to test what I am saying and move this along a bit do this tail -f messages | tee > foo and then look in foo it contains data so your .pl is grabbing the data look there |
| 12:44.21 | Sakara | that worked fine. |
| 12:44.36 | ompaul | Sakara: so therefore the .pl is not allowing data out to be redirected |
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| 12:44.54 | mallxs | jelly: http://paste.debian.net/242514/ is this enough info ? |
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| 12:45.32 | ompaul | Sakara: so that tells you that the data is being directed by the perl script - you need to look there |
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| 12:45.45 | Sakara | It uses simple print statements. |
| 12:45.58 | Sakara | When I run it the output appears on the console |
| 12:46.11 | Sakara | I just can't directed it to a file or another program |
| 12:46.20 | ompaul | Sakara: then at the end of the line type > foo and it gets nothing ? |
| 12:46.30 | ompaul | foo remains empty? |
| 12:46.43 | Sakara | thats exactly what happens. |
| 12:46.51 | jelly | mallxs: well. Your binary is 32bit so the 64bit library wouldn't help anyway. Pastebin "ldd wfcmgr" please |
| 12:47.01 | ChrisH | mallxs: did you do an apt-get update in between? |
| 12:47.10 | Sakara | the stdout is also empty so perl isn't using stderr or soemthing silly |
| 12:47.25 | mallxs | yep and a apt-get upgrade |
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| 12:48.43 | mallxs | jelly: http://paste.debian.net/242516/ |
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| 12:49.01 | ompaul | Sakara: and if you did > foo with no perl script in there you would create another file I am correct am I not |
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| 12:49.39 | ompaul | Sakara: also why are you calling that with sh when you could just run it as a perl script just wondering |
| 12:49.39 | Sakara | yes that right if I leave the perl script out it works. |
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| 12:50.52 | Sakara | I am reading the live log files from a remote squid proxy server using perl to get it into nsca format so I can pipe it directly into logstalgia to get a great visualisation of our proxy server. |
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| 12:51.54 | ompaul | Sakara: why are you calling sh ./perl.pl when you could do /path/to/perl.pl |
| 12:51.58 | jelly | mallxs: grab the i386 libmotif4 package from packages.debian.org, unpack it someplace using dpkg --extract foo.deb tempdir, copy the library from tempdir/ into say /usr/local/lib |
| 12:52.20 | jelly | mallxs: run ldconfig, see if ldd finds everything now |
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| 12:52.35 | mallxs | jelly: ok thx |
| 12:53.05 | Sakara | ompaul, I am using perl from my path |
| 12:53.19 | Sakara | Like this $ ssh mini01 "tail -f /opt/local/var/squid/logs/access.log" | ./squid2ncsa.pl |
| 12:53.34 | Sakara | or using perl ./squid2ncsa.pl |
| 12:53.37 | Sakara | neither work. |
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| 12:53.54 | ompaul | Sakara: sorry, my brain broke |
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| 12:54.30 | ompaul | Sakara: are you running the squid on the far away machine? |
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| 12:54.37 | Sakara | yes that correct |
| 12:54.46 | Sakara | squid is running on mini01 |
| 12:54.59 | ompaul | Sakara: so when on that box you run tail and squid2ncsa |
| 12:55.15 | ompaul | back shortly |
| 12:55.22 | Sakara | ahh I don't even know if perl is on there. That is a good test. |
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| 12:57.35 | Walther | Any ideas on how to properly, reliably get mysql 5.5 running on squeeze? |
| 12:58.09 | jelly | step 1) debootstrap wheezy |
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| 12:58.11 | jelly | hides |
| 12:58.52 | ompaul | Sakara: heh what was it Fermat said on his rather special piece of work? |
| 12:59.18 | ompaul | Walther: jelly gave you the best answser |
| 12:59.20 | ompaul | answer |
| 12:59.25 | Sakara | ompaul, not sure. What did he say? |
| 12:59.30 | reavengrey | is pretty excited to experience GNOME 3 |
| 12:59.41 | et | why would you be |
| 12:59.50 | reavengrey | Looks pretty :3 |
| 13:00.17 | et | desktop environments went downhill big time in usability past gnome 2/kde 3 |
| 13:00.26 | phogg | reavengrey: pretty yes. Report back in a couple weeks on usability |
| 13:00.33 | reavengrey | D: |
| 13:00.37 | reavengrey | We'll see |
| 13:00.47 | jelly | ompaul: and I wasn't even serious! |
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| 13:00.51 | reavengrey | I didn't like it on Ubuntu, but I thought that was because of Unity |
| 13:01.02 | reavengrey | Not cos of GNOME 3 itself :O |
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| 13:01.17 | ompaul | Sakara: something like, I'll leave that as an exercise for the reader |
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| 13:01.30 | Walther | ompaul: jelly: How about dotdeb repo? Reliable? |
| 13:01.51 | jelly | Walther: my own opinion about it is "stay the fuck away" |
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| 13:01.55 | ompaul | Walther: there are many answers to that, but Are you serious is one, and NO is another |
| 13:02.19 | jelly | Walther: their packages aren't best QA'd |
| 13:02.26 | ompaul | Walther: if you want to build a box today that will last you a couple of years do wheezy now |
| 13:02.33 | ompaul | if not so be it |
| 13:02.55 | mallxs | jelly: it worked thx |
| 13:03.06 | Walther | Oh, maintaining a couple years isn't a big goal here - it's for a testing thing anway |
| 13:03.08 | jelly | Walther: I'd rather use percona's distro and packages instead of dotdeb |
| 13:03.14 | jelly | s/distro/repo/ |
| 13:03.31 | Walther | so as it is for testing anyway, making it a complete wheezy install couldn't be that bad option either |
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| 13:04.33 | ompaul | Walther: then you are doing not just the right thing, but doing it right. |
| 13:04.37 | jelly | http://www.percona.com/downloads/Percona-Server-5.5/LATEST/deb/squeeze/ seems they don't even have a repo tho |
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| 13:10.01 | Sakara | ompaul, I managed to get it working |
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| 13:10.12 | Sakara | It was something to do with perl and buffering |
| 13:10.23 | Sakara | I added the following line $| = 1; |
| 13:10.30 | Sakara | and it all magically started working as expected. |
| 13:10.58 | ompaul | Sakara: magic, it's the best technology, no reason :) |
| 13:11.45 | jelly | Sakara: in other words, it worked before as well, you just weren't patient enough to wait for the whole default 8K buffer to fill |
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| 13:13.04 | Walther | Hmm... So, if wheezy is the way to go for a mysql5.5, should I go the upgrade way or manual reinstall way? |
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| 13:16.09 | ompaul | Walther: vps do the way of the ISP, if a personal box with tonnes of cruft do the fresh install if you want or do the upgrade - noting any and all instructions about packages that are being upgraded |
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| 13:17.58 | Walther | ompaul: A fresh virtual guest sitting in kvm |
| 13:18.26 | ompaul | Walther: it depends on what your production will look like if this is for testing, if production is new boxes running wheezy then I'd be inclined to run fresh installs |
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| 13:19.07 | ompaul | Walther: when you have the base box with it's most basic configuration I'd be inclined to back them up to give me a nice place to roll back to |
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| 13:20.02 | debianN00b | I want to install skype on 64bit Debian. Skype is for multi-arch . So should i enable multi architecture(dpkg --add-architecture i386) before installing skype? |
| 13:20.43 | ChrisH | !skype |
| 13:20.51 | dpkg | Skype is a proprietary cross-platform <VoIP> service and application owned by Microsoft. Debian cannot distribute the application due to its restrictive license and is therefore not supported in #debian. See http://wiki.debian.org/skype and ask me about <skype squeeze> for community-contributed information. Consider using a free software alternative such as <ekiga>, <empathy>, <jitsi> or <linphone>. |
| 13:20.58 | gnarface | its also spyware |
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| 13:21.12 | i_tarzan | do i getfalsh |
| 13:21.21 | i_tarzan | flash with chromium ? |
| 13:21.28 | babilen | debianN00b: Just follow the instructions on the wiki. (and be happy that you run wheezy) |
| 13:22.08 | debianN00b | yes, Thanks babilen , |
| 13:22.34 | babilen | i_tarzan: Just install the flashplugin-nonfree package from <contrib>. (ask our bot about <adobe flash> <contrib> and <non-free>) (/msg dpkg adobe flash) -- Which version of Debian do you use? |
| 13:23.21 | i_tarzan | squeeze |
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| 13:25.09 | r4co0n | Hello. I set up an encrypted partition with randomly regenerated password that I want to mount at /tmp. Apparently I need to create a file system there before mounting on every boot, don't I? I wrote myself a little mount script, but am now asking myself if I need it or if I overlook some handy option... Any input appreciated, thanks for reading. |
| 13:25.55 | babilen | i_tarzan: In that case you should have a sources.list along the lines of http://paste.debian.net/242529/ -- Run "apt-get update" and then "apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree" and you should be done. |
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| 13:27.23 | babilen | i_tarzan: You might also want to consider scheduling your upgrade to wheezy as we will release it soonish. Instructions for that are in "/msg dpkg release notes wheezy" and "/msg dpkg squeeze->wheezy", but you don't have to do that now. |
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| 13:29.28 | sphenxes | i am using wheezy, gnome. I would like to open toten in new session with command totem --no-existing-sesstion. Howerver totem open as default every new movie in the same opened totem. Question: how to change the command line to totem --no-existing-sesstion in gnome |
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| 13:30.38 | babilen | sphenxes: Tried "--no-existing-session" ? (without the "t" in there) |
| 13:30.44 | babilen | (educated guess) |
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| 13:31.20 | pebcak | moin |
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| 13:32.40 | pebcak | I would like to know, if there is a "simple" way to generate configs in the way of generating locales, with a multiple choice frontend to debconf? or how I could approach such an topic in a "good" way |
| 13:32.42 | babilen | sphenxes: Are you sure that that option is supported by the version of totem in wheezy? I can't find it in the manpage (which might be a problem with the manpage though) |
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| 13:33.44 | i_tarzan | babilen: thanks |
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| 13:34.17 | ivotkl | Hello guys. I'm having some trouble installing Java plugin. Currenlty trying to get the one meant for chromium-browser. Any ideas? |
| 13:34.29 | sphenxes | babilen, you are quite right. it doesn't work in wheezy. strange |
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| 13:36.29 | babilen | pebcak: My answer would be: debconf, but then this is your question :) |
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| 13:36.54 | babilen | pebcak: Is your question "How can I implement that in debconf?" |
| 13:36.55 | pebcak | locales are created on the fly, right? |
| 13:37.10 | babilen | (the dialogue that is) |
| 13:37.13 | pebcak | yes, the questions is how to implement it |
| 13:37.18 | pebcak | not the dialog |
| 13:37.22 | pebcak | the on the fly generation |
| 13:37.32 | pebcak | I can do config and templates just fine by myself |
| 13:37.33 | pebcak | ;) |
| 13:38.03 | babilen | Well, if the debconf manual doesn't get you anywhere you can take a look at the locales package to see what it does exactly. |
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| 13:38.55 | pebcak | debconf-devel wasn't really helpful, will have a look at the locales package then |
| 13:38.56 | pebcak | thanks |
| 13:39.15 | babilen | pebcak: But essentially you just have a script that is using the answers and then reacts to it. |
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| 13:40.29 | babilen | You are, in particular, looking at the postinst maintainer scripts here that can query the answers with "get" -- I would, however, recommend to discuss this topic in #debian-mentors on irc.debian.org (aka irc.oftc.net) |
| 13:41.24 | ivotkl | Hello guys. I'm having some trouble installing Java plugin. Currenlty trying to get the one meant for chromium-browser. Any ideas? |
| 13:41.32 | debianN00b | Skype is hungry on Linux :( |
| 13:41.33 | babilen | pebcak: For example: You can query the answer to foo/bar with "db_get foo/bar" and then do whatever is appropriate in your script. |
| 13:41.40 | babilen | debianN00b: nom! |
| 13:41.43 | yuppiebunny | debianN00b: it's hungry everywhere |
| 13:42.17 | babilen | ivotkl: Which version of Debian are you using? |
| 13:42.20 | yuppiebunny | you can have 256Tb of RAM but after you will run firefox and skype you will receive "out of swap space" XD |
| 13:42.24 | babilen | dpkg: tell ivotkl about install java |
| 13:42.41 | pebcak | babilen mmmh, will have to think a bit more about it |
| 13:42.53 | babilen | pebcak: Which software are you packaging? |
| 13:43.07 | ivotkl | I'm using Squeeze with backports enabled. |
| 13:43.08 | babilen | pebcak: But then, lets take it to the #d-mentors channel on OFTc |
| 13:43.09 | petn-randall | yuppiebunny: if I had 256 TB of RAM, I'd stop caring about skype. :D |
| 13:43.23 | babilen | ivotkl: In that case install icedtea6-plugin |
| 13:43.26 | ivotkl | I've installed it already, but somehow chromium-browser does not take it. |
| 13:43.39 | babilen | ivotkl: Did you restart the browser? |
| 13:43.42 | ivotkl | babilen: Will it work for chromium browser as well? |
| 13:43.47 | babilen | ivotkl: Is it listed in "about:plugins" ? |
| 13:43.48 | ivotkl | Yes, I've just done a boot. |
| 13:43.51 | ivotkl | Nope. |
| 13:43.54 | ompaul | debianN00b: say hello to the worlds security services :) you just installed microsoft |
| 13:43.55 | ivotkl | That's the strange part. |
| 13:43.56 | yuppiebunny | packetologist: i don't use skype so i don't care about it already :D |
| 13:44.11 | ivotkl | I'll try installing the icedtea6-plugin. |
| 13:44.25 | packetologist | huh? |
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| 13:44.52 | babilen | ivotkl: Hmm, I haven't had the need for a java plugin in ages and am not running squeeze. But I can't recall having problems with the icedtea plugin back in the day. Could you try it with a new user (or with a new chromium profile) ? |
| 13:45.22 | debianN00b | ompaul, huh, I am at risk now? omg, Don't scare me ! |
| 13:45.37 | babilen | ivotkl: huh, didn't you say earlier that you installed the icedtea6-plugin package already? (Or what was "I've installed it already, but somehow chromium-browser does not take it" supposed to mean?) |
| 13:45.42 | ivotkl | I can try with a new user. |
| 13:45.48 | ivotkl | Nope, I've installed jre I think |
| 13:46.17 | babilen | ivotkl: Could you show me the output of "dpkg -l icedtea6-plugin|tail -n1" please? |
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| 13:47.06 | babilen | ivotkl: Well, the browser cannot use the plugin if the plugin is not installed. You /have/ to install it for it to be available and it is packaged as icedtea6-plugin |
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| 13:47.45 | babilen | ivotkl: Which JRE did you install? default-jre? openjdk-6-jre? |
| 13:47.56 | ivotkl | default-jre |
| 13:48.03 | ivotkl | Shall I remove it? |
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| 13:48.18 | babilen | ivotkl: No, not at all. Simply install the plugin if you want that too. |
| 13:48.34 | ivotkl | babilen: "dpkg -l icedtea6-plugin|tail -n" |
| 13:48.38 | ivotkl | oops, sorry |
| 13:48.40 | ivotkl | hahaha |
| 13:49.04 | ivotkl | The thing is that it could not find it. |
| 13:49.05 | ottermaton | I can't get the side scroll feature on my toucpad on a thinkpad x230 working. I followed the instructions here http://wiki.debian.org/SynapticsTouchpad but no luck. |
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| 13:49.22 | babilen | ivotkl: What could not find what? |
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| 13:49.38 | debianN00b | <PROTECTED> |
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| 13:49.48 | ivotkl | babilen: icedtea plugin installed. |
| 13:50.15 | ivotkl | babilen: "dpkg-query: no packages found matching icedtea6-plugin" |
| 13:50.16 | babilen | ottermaton: I am using http://paste.debian.net/242539/ |
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| 13:50.40 | babilen | debianN00b: skype is /not/ open source and we have no idea what it does (or doesn't do) as we cannot see its source code |
| 13:50.42 | ottermaton | Interestingly, the section this section on thinkwiki www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Installing_Debian_on_an_X230 just had the alert box about gpointing being broken added in the last 24 hours ago, and I'm guessing they're related. |
| 13:50.50 | ottermaton | thanks babilen, I'll have a look |
| 13:50.53 | ompaul | debianN00b: join #debian-offtopic |
| 13:50.58 | ivotkl | babilen: I'm installing it. Thanks. Will try it and let you know. |
| 13:52.37 | babilen | ottermaton: You can try the settings with synclient (and read "man 4 synaptics" for an overview of the options) |
| 13:53.20 | ottermaton | babilen: oh, yea, I should have mentioned this: when I try to use synclient or syndaemon I get a message about the driver not being loaded. |
| 13:53.26 | ottermaton | though it is installed |
| 13:53.58 | babilen | ottermaton: Are you using a legacy /etc/X11/xorg.conf ? |
| 13:54.27 | ivotkl | babilen: Thanks a lot. It's working. =) |
| 13:54.59 | ottermaton | not 100% sure what you mean there babilen. I do not have that file, if that answers your question. I'm using one in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/ |
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| 13:55.54 | petn-randall | ottermaton: urgh, you using the touchpad on a thinkpad? ;) |
| 13:56.13 | babilen | scowls at petn-randall |
| 13:56.19 | babilen | bbl |
| 13:56.39 | petn-randall | *you're |
| 13:57.35 | ottermaton | haha petn-randall, yea, trying to anyway ;-) |
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| 13:59.10 | ottermaton | babilen, I tried your config, no joy |
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| 14:00.48 | petn-randall | ottermaton: you need to restart your X11 for it to have effect. |
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| 14:00.58 | ottermaton | petn-randall, yea, I have |
| 14:01.11 | babilen | ottermaton: Well, investigate further /why/ synclient is not working. I'm having lunch now, but I can use it just fine on my T420 ... I also assume that you've done ^^^ what petn-randall just suggested |
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| 14:02.13 | ottermaton | babilen, agreed. But I don't know where to go from here really. I spent a few hours mucking about with it last night. |
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| 14:02.38 | petn-randall | ottermaton: I think it works on my x230. Ask me in a few hours if you didn't get it to work until then, and I'll check my config. |
| 14:03.16 | petn-randall | ottermaton: but the touchpad works in X11, it's just the side scrolling not working, right? |
| 14:03.22 | ottermaton | oh, sweet petn-randall. |
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| 14:03.29 | ottermaton | yea, that's correct petn-randall |
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| 14:04.41 | ottermaton | petn-randall, I should also mention I did a base + standard utiiites install, then added awesome and that's about it. Oh, installed gpointing-device-settings to see if that would help but no luck with that either |
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| 14:05.08 | ottermaton | how do you like your x230 petn-randall ? I've only had mine a couple of days but I'm digging it so far |
| 14:05.19 | ottermaton | well, except for this side-scroll thing ;-) |
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| 14:11.08 | rdz | hi all. i'd like to create a repository for a hosting some of my own packages. from the many tools available what is the best option to host only a small number of self-made pacakges? i don't intend mirror existing repositories |
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| 14:11.38 | pebcak | uses reprepro |
| 14:12.19 | rdz | pebcak, yeah.. i'm just having a look at reprepro. many thanks |
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| 14:14.41 | khem_ | anyone know any nice "turnkey" backup solution for Debian / Linux, that is very much click-n-go like pfSense is for FW, or Proxmox for virtualization? |
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| 14:19.29 | ompaul | khem_: there are things apt-cache search backup | less /msg dpkg popcon if you want to find out about which ones are popular |
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| 14:30.50 | Iridos | hmm, also thinking about backup... but "important" data will be handled by tivoli... what I still wonder, in case a disk fails completely, would be nice to pull back the system as such from a DVD or somesuch, then use the info from dpkg --get-selections > ~/selectionfile to pull back in additional packages, then overwrite e.g. /etc from the real backup |
| 14:31.25 | Iridos | or is that thinking too complicated? |
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| 14:33.04 | Iridos | but backing up the whole system to TSM is a) not nice for central backup facilities and b) kinda useless, as you need a working tivoli install to pull the backup back in |
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| 14:36.39 | ompaul | Iridos: if that was a question enoparse if it was a statement, then the true answer you already know, it depends |
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| 14:37.02 | ChrisH | was waiting for the question, too |
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| 14:37.25 | ompaul | Iridos: each backup solution needs to be tailored to meet a designed need. What do you want back and how quick. |
| 14:37.31 | Iridos | ompaul, well... err ... thinking aloud. waiting if someone might shout "nono, that doesn't make sense like that" |
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| 14:38.00 | ompaul | Iridos: it's a nice setup if you have the time to implement it, and if in the event of a failure you will be left alone long enough to restore it. |
| 14:38.39 | Iridos | well... my colleague had all his stuff on the tivoli server ... and a month or so ago his HD failed |
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| 14:39.31 | Iridos | ompaul, from that experience it seems... useless to backup the system except for the stuff in !things to backup |
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| 14:39.41 | ChrisH | Iridos: I prefer both ways... a) filesystem backup, mainly to recover single files or directories. b) selection of packages to recover in case of complete disk failures. |
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| 14:40.19 | ompaul | Iridos: the most important part of a total system failure is this |
| 14:40.32 | ompaul | The bit that boots the system into something where it can be restored. |
| 14:40.44 | Iridos | ChrisH, how do you do b) ... I thought of putting "dpkg --get-selections > ~/installed-packages.dpkg" or somesuch in crontab |
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| 14:41.08 | ompaul | Iridos: rsync /var/cache/apt/archives |
| 14:41.21 | ompaul | Iridos: then grab the configs and database from dpkg |
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| 14:41.38 | Iridos | well... I thought I stick to |
| 14:41.41 | Iridos | dpkg, things to backup |
| 14:41.41 | dpkg | Some things you should back up include: /etc /home /root /usr/local /usr/src /opt /srv. Tailor to your own purposes. If you think you don't need /var, make sure you don't forget /var/lib/dpkg /var/lib/apt* /var/lib/mysql /var/mail /var/www /var/cache/debconf /var/spool/cron ... |
| 14:41.43 | Iridos | that |
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| 14:41.52 | ChrisH | Iridos: in Debian Release NOtes under Upgrade there are some hints on what to backup and ask the bot on cloning a system |
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| 14:42.26 | jhutchins_wk | Hm. I've never touched anything in /srv |
| 14:42.28 | Iridos | ChrisH, good idea about 1), already did 2), that's where the dpkg --get-selections is from :) |
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| 14:43.04 | jhutchins_wk | <PROTECTED> |
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| 14:43.24 | zykotick9 | jhutchins_wk: /srv is empty by default. i use it a lot, i create subdirs as my mount points. |
| 14:44.08 | Iridos | ompaul/ ChrisH thanks for feedback :) |
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| 14:44.41 | ompaul | Iridos: do blog or some such your ideas |
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| 14:45.27 | jelly | Iridos: I stick to "backup everything" |
| 14:46.11 | streulma | I have a backupscript from cloudvps.com to backup my servers with rsync |
| 14:46.25 | streulma | full backup + incremental backups |
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| 14:47.12 | streulma | ow, when will Wheezy be released ? |
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| 14:47.51 | Iridos | jelly, well, but as I said really at the start... you need a working linux install to pull stuff from TSM back... |
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| 14:48.41 | jelly | Iridos: and the client installed, and passwords handy, yes. |
| 14:48.47 | ompaul | streulma: when the bug count is zero |
| 14:49.22 | Iridos | jelly, right. so would make a lot of sense to have a separate backup of the base-system... that doesn't need to be recent |
| 14:49.32 | jelly | Iridos: I'd send you our own debian-live with all that but baclient is not redistributable |
| 14:49.46 | jelly | </evil> |
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| 14:50.08 | Iridos | jelly, tivsm-ba? |
| 14:50.09 | ompaul | Iridos: the base system needs to be able to get to wherever you are at - exactly there not two steps into the future |
| 14:50.16 | ChrisH | Iridos: It makes sens to put the base OS into a seperate Volume Group |
| 14:50.17 | ompaul | bacula |
| 14:50.25 | jelly | Iridos: yes |
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| 14:50.38 | Iridos | and tivsm-api64 |
| 14:50.40 | Iridos | hmm |
| 14:50.54 | jelly | ii tivsm-ba 6.3.0.15-0.1 amd64 IBM Tivoli Storage Manager Backup-Archive Client |
| 14:50.55 | jelly | ii tivsm-api64 6.3.0.15-0 amd64 the API |
| 14:50.56 | ChrisH | ompaul: bacula is a pimped amanda? |
| 14:51.02 | ompaul | ChrisH: very much so |
| 14:51.09 | jchvvs | :p |
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| 14:51.20 | jelly | ChrisH: it's a separate product, quite different |
| 14:51.26 | Iridos | seems you're 0.1 ahead of me there |
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| 14:52.01 | ompaul | Iridos: here is the hard question, if your production box goes away fully, and you don't have somewhere of suitable power / ability to take over, and your backup server software gets upset, how hard is it to get to the data |
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| 14:52.16 | jelly | Iridos: didn't install the latest /mnt/iso/tsm-debian/squeeze-amd64/tivsm-ba_6.3.0.15-0.3_amd64.deb |
| 14:52.17 | Iridos | jelly, such a live cd with already my password etc sounds nice, but a lot of extra work |
| 14:52.27 | Iridos | (someone came in) |
| 14:52.28 | ChrisH | With TSM you (normally) do one full backup and then only incremtals as TSM does handle that inside a DB. |
| 14:52.36 | jelly | Iridos: ah. Sorry, the passwords are not on the cd. |
| 14:53.09 | ompaul | you could put them on a cd with a one time pad and stick the pad and them in a fireproof safe and have a once a 60 days pass phrase change process |
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| 14:53.40 | ChrisH | ompaul,Iridos and second question how long is the maximal time until it must be recovered. Given that you might want to plan for a hot-standby box. |
| 14:53.43 | jelly | ompaul: not sure if it's that easy to implement OTP on the TSM server side tho |
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| 14:54.28 | ChrisH | Which leads me to my next question (without googeing before): Is there something equivalaent to Sun Cluster or HP MC/Service Guards currently avaliable for Debian? |
| 14:54.31 | ompaul | jelly: I'm talking about sticking your passwords into some vault where you can get at them on an archival basis. in case you have to step back but I'm just a little bit too whatever |
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| 14:55.19 | ompaul | Iridos: after playing with the options, as long as you can justify the stuff, it's all good. |
| 14:55.59 | jelly | ChrisH: what do they do? |
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| 14:56.29 | Iridos | sorry, seems I gottago, will read backlog when I'm back |
| 14:56.29 | ChrisH | jelly: HA Failover Cluster |
| 14:56.42 | Iridos | jelly, well, YOUR passwords would be quite useless to me anyway :) |
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| 14:57.25 | Iridos | ompaul, it's just my desktop at work. putting a cd with a password in the cupboard would do well enough, I think... |
| 14:57.35 | Iridos | biab |
| 14:57.41 | jelly | ChrisH: www.linux-ha.org |
| 14:57.43 | jelly | hides |
| 14:58.51 | pebcak | we use rhcm |
| 14:58.58 | pebcak | on debian |
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| 14:59.13 | pebcak | been using it for years now |
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| 15:00.41 | ChrisH | pebcak: do you know the commercial products to compare them? |
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| 15:01.49 | pebcak | redhat cluster manager, it's commercial I guess ;) |
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| 15:02.40 | ChrisH | pebcak: I reword my question... do you know the commercial products for UNIX[TM] Systems like Solaris, HP/UX to compare them? |
| 15:02.58 | pebcak | ChrisH nope |
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| 15:03.28 | pebcak | never tried any commercial products, since it suited my needs |
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| 15:05.45 | dawud | ChrisH: I've used AIX HACMP and pacemaker/corosync on GNU/Linux |
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| 15:08.41 | ivotkl | Is it normal for vlc media player to run in the background and consume 138% of CPU? |
| 15:08.52 | ivotkl | It happens all the time. With other distros also. =S |
| 15:08.52 | ChrisH | dawud: Sadly I have no expierence with AIX at all. |
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| 15:09.44 | mbroadst | is it possible to create a debian package that uses an upstream git master repo rather than a "pristine tarball"? |
| 15:09.51 | ksx4system | how can I force df to fit 80x24 terminal without line breaks? |
| 15:09.55 | ChrisH | ivotkl: if vlc is not converting anything for streaming, my anwer is: not expected. |
| 15:10.08 | ksx4system | Debian squeeze did it perfectly, wheezy can't |
| 15:10.12 | ChrisH | ivotkl: check using strace what vlc does |
| 15:10.34 | ivotkl | ChrisH: Ok, will do. Is it "strace vlc"? |
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| 15:11.02 | babilen | mbroadst: Please ask in #debian-mentors on irc.oftc.net -- And while this is possible, it is typically not the best approach. |
| 15:11.03 | ChrisH | strace -p PID |
| 15:12.18 | mbroadst | babilen: thanks |
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| 15:13.17 | pebcak | mbroadst git-buildpackage |
| 15:13.30 | pebcak | oops |
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| 15:14.21 | ivotkl | ChrisH: Ok, so apparently it's being executed as root, but I cannot end its process/es. It's on the taskbar and apparently running. |
| 15:14.42 | ChrisH | ivotkl: then run strace as root, too |
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| 15:15.25 | ivotkl | I did and a lot of things appeared. =S |
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| 15:15.47 | tgs3 | what is up with CVE-2013-1776 - it was announced in the debian security email, but it is not on CVE website - https://cve.mitre.org/cgi-bin/cvename.cgi?name=CVE-2013-1776 |
| 15:15.58 | ChrisH | ivotkl: copy-and-paste 2-3 screenpages to paste.debian.net to show it to us. |
| 15:16.20 | ivotkl | I was on it already, just a sec. =) |
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| 15:18.49 | ivotkl | Ok, here it is. http://pastebin.com/gtTeh3K7 |
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| 15:19.09 | babilen | tgs3: https://security-tracker.debian.org/tracker/CVE-2013-1776 |
| 15:19.19 | ivotkl | I'm not sure how it got running as root. =S |
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| 15:19.28 | ivotkl | It was not me, at least not consciously... |
| 15:19.36 | petn-randall | babilen: you beat to it :) |
| 15:19.53 | babilen | ivotkl: Please use http://paste.debian.net or another sane pastebin. pastebin.com is horrible (for a number of reasons) -- Alternatives include http://paste.ubuntu.com http://gist.github.com http://refheap.com .. |
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| 15:20.53 | ivotkl | Ok, sorry. |
| 15:21.23 | petn-randall | babilen: Out of curiousity, why is pastebin horrible? |
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| 15:22.34 | babilen | petn-randall: It mangles input, is integrated with a number of useless (and intrusive) social media sites, asks you to enters captchas once every now an then, displays ads ... should I go on? |
| 15:23.26 | ivotkl | babilen, ChrisH: http://paste.debian.net/242570/ |
| 15:24.21 | ChrisH | ivotkl: what you showed is not what I recommended you to do. |
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| 15:24.49 | ChrisH | ivotkl: you told us, that vlc IS running, you showed us a vlc startup |
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| 15:25.48 | ivotkl | ChrisH: Then I'm not sure what's going on. VLC is on the taskbar, if I click it it opens its interface. Also, it says on what I've pasted that is running as root and it shouldn't. |
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| 15:25.59 | petn-randall | babilen: all valid points, I agree. |
| 15:26.10 | ChrisH | ivotkl: pastebin: ps -ef | grep -i vlc |
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| 15:26.23 | ChrisH | ivotkl: add the output from top please |
| 15:26.28 | ivotkl | ok |
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| 15:27.48 | penguin1 | what mirror protocol is faster? HTTP or FTP? |
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| 15:27.55 | penguin1 | I could use both, what should I use then? |
| 15:28.07 | ChrisH | penguin1: mirror what? |
| 15:28.20 | penguin1 | debian mirrors |
| 15:28.21 | penguin1 | sources.list |
| 15:28.53 | babilen | penguin1: Use http and http.debian.net as mirror |
| 15:29.03 | penguin1 | babilen: so http is faster than ftp, right? |
| 15:29.08 | petn-randall | penguin1: no |
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| 15:29.09 | babilen | (or https with apt-transport-https) |
| 15:29.16 | penguin1 | what is the difference? |
| 15:29.41 | jay3 | I have transmission-deamon installed. When i start it I get **SYN Flood** 192.168.1.5, 55533->> 176.9.149.209, 80 (from PPPoE1 Outbound) in routers security log and my internet stops working. Can anyone help please. |
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| 15:30.15 | ompaul | so you gobble all your bandwidth with it, what was your question>? |
| 15:30.16 | petn-randall | penguin1: those are just two different transport protocols. In the end of the day only the bandwidth and latency between you and the mirror is relevant. |
| 15:30.38 | penguin1 | petn-randall: apt-transport-https is compatible with apt-cacher-ng? |
| 15:30.52 | penguin1 | petn-randall: and also with apt-transport-debtorrent? |
| 15:30.58 | jay3 | ompaul:So transmission is taking all the bandwidth? |
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| 15:31.39 | jay3 | ompaul:but all the torrents are paused? |
| 15:31.40 | petn-randall | penguin1: that should be documented in the man pages, I think. My guess is yes. |
| 15:32.04 | ivotkl | Here they are: http://paste.debian.net/242573/ |
| 15:32.08 | ompaul | jay3: think about how it works, turn it off service X stop and then watch it |
| 15:32.27 | petn-randall | jay3: no, transmission is trying to establish a dozen tcp connections in parallel, and your router got the idea that this is an attack and closes the connection. |
| 15:32.50 | jay3 | ompaul: its a headless box. Nothing else is running on it only samba ssh trans-deamon |
| 15:33.06 | penguin1 | petn-randall: also debtorrent? |
| 15:33.18 | penguin1 | petn-randall: torrent protocol is useful when many clients wants the same file in a network? |
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| 15:34.00 | petn-randall | penguin1: torrent is useful when you want to have a resilient way to get your packages/updates. |
| 15:34.02 | ChrisH | ivotkl: So there is a vlc running as you and it tries to play somehing live in finland. but a kill 13063 should fix that. :) |
| 15:34.37 | ompaul | jay3: look at the evidence, you have something that is talking to a single IP I guess a browser based tracker I'm not looking and then it gets all its data and goes wild with your connection unplug that box and watch it all go back to normal, then ask yourself what is going on there |
| 15:34.48 | petn-randall | penguin1: I think it's still experimental, I don't use it. AFAIR it falls back to http if it can't connect to the tracker. |
| 15:34.49 | ompaul | jay3: experiment and work it out |
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| 15:35.46 | babilen | penguin1: Just try http.debian.net |
| 15:35.51 | jay3 | yah that will explain it. I have tried what you are saying and i think this is the cause. well I have had same effect with 2 diffrent make of router is that possible? |
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| 15:37.15 | petn-randall | penguin1: I'd say deborrent is only interesting if you plan on creating your own debian-based distribution, but don't have the bandwidth to host a repository. IMO it has only a small niche where it's useful. |
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| 15:39.06 | penguin1 | the advantage of https-transport over http would be that it is more secure, right? |
| 15:39.09 | ompaul | jay3: you tell me, why would a similar thing happen with one service on two routers, unless they were both faulty in exactly the same way |
| 15:39.22 | ivotkl | ChrisH: It does not. I've tried. |
| 15:40.08 | ChrisH | ivotkl: then show us please (executed as root) strace -p 13063 |
| 15:40.21 | petn-randall | penguin1: There only advantage is that nobody can eavesdrop on you when you download packages. Unless it's a secret, private repository, it doesn't give you any advantage. |
| 15:40.38 | ivotkl | ChrisH: Ok. |
| 15:40.50 | tgs3 | babilen: I know but where is the detailed text of that CVE, why its not in mintre cve db |
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| 15:41.23 | jelly | tgs3: that means it's not public yet. Wait a couple days. |
| 15:41.24 | tgs3 | babilen: or here: http://web.nvd.nist.gov/view/vuln/detail?vulnId=CVE-2013-1776 - CVE not found |
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| 15:42.00 | jay3 | Yah . Thanks ompaul and petn-randll for explaining this. I will try to tweak the transmission config and see if that helps. |
| 15:42.05 | petn-randall | penguin1: The debian repos are cryptographically signed, so changes to the packages (either by redirecting traffic to a malicious repo, or injecting data into the stream) would be rejected by the invalid signature. |
| 15:42.28 | ivotkl | ChrisH: It says Operation not permitted. |
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| 15:43.18 | ChrisH | ivotkl: strange... you did this as root not using sudo? |
| 15:43.37 | ivotkl | I did su root, yes. |
| 15:43.40 | ivotkl | Lemme try again. |
| 15:43.53 | ivotkl | Yeap, same thing. |
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| 15:44.09 | ivotkl | I'll just reboot and see what happens, hehe. =P |
| 15:44.32 | ivotkl | But VLC should not be this hungry, so something's going on... |
| 15:44.54 | ChrisH | ivotkl: try kill -9 13063 several times |
| 15:44.54 | petn-randall | jay3: how do you notice your internet connection is gone? Do the logs show a (PPPoE) disconnect, or do just e.g. browser connections timeout? |
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| 15:45.21 | petn-randall | jay3: because from experience I can say there are quite a few crappy routers out there, that can only connection track a limited amout of connections. |
| 15:46.01 | petn-randall | jay3: and when transmission starts, it opens 100+ connections, and the router forgets about the current ones ... (had that with one of those plastic routers) |
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| 15:46.42 | jay3 | petn-randall: its only browser connection timeout. Router/Modem shows connected. I can even ping google from my linux machine. |
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| 15:47.49 | jay3 | I just turned off DHT and everything is holding out fine. But i dont want to turn dht off ;( |
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| 15:49.37 | petn-randall | jay3: you might have a little luck if you set up port forwarding on the plastic router. |
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| 15:50.29 | petn-randall | jay3: The way I fixed it was to have a proper PC with debian as router, and set up the plastic router to just pass through the PPPOE connection. |
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| 15:50.56 | jay3 | petn-randall: I was just wondering how my qbittorrent with DHT on is holding out and why transmission isnt? THe port forwarding might be the answr to that. |
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| 15:51.50 | petn-randall | jay3: if you have UPNP activated on the plastic router, qbittorrent might set up the port forwarding automatically. |
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| 15:52.08 | petn-randall | (not that I'm saying that's a good idea.) |
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| 15:53.10 | penguin1 | Unattended installation of debian works now, but there is a prompt at the beginning which I cannot avoid yet: [...] However, no default route was set: the system does not know how to communicate with hosts on the Internet. [...] [Yes] [No] |
| 15:53.25 | penguin1 | How can I find out what option / information is missing? |
| 15:53.39 | penguin1 | When I hit [Yes] for continuing installation without default route, everything runs fine. |
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| 15:53.46 | penguin1 | So this prompt is obsolete. |
| 15:54.07 | petn-randall | penguin1: you're doing unattended installations on offline machines? |
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| 15:54.46 | ivotkl | ChrisH: Thanks. Only once did it. You're the best. =) |
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| 15:55.17 | ivotkl | ChrisH: by the way, what type of signal is 9? |
| 15:55.23 | reavengrey | whoohoo 7 min more, and it's wheezy time |
| 15:55.25 | ChrisH | ivotkl: run kill -l |
| 15:55.52 | ivotkl | Ohhhhhhhhhhh. Great. |
| 15:55.58 | ivotkl | I'll definitely read its manual. =) |
| 15:56.28 | ChrisH | ivotkl: thats allways a good idea |
| 15:56.38 | amphi | as a last resort |
| 15:56.47 | ivotkl | =) |
| 15:56.53 | petn-randall | stares at amphi |
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| 15:59.31 | ChrisH | If you setup a Raid 5 of 3 Disks with 1 Disk missing. Will this result in a Raid 4 setup meaning md will write data, data, missing parity or data, parity, missing data? |
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| 16:00.03 | fruitloops | weirdness. installed debian on laptop, updated via wifi, disabled wifi/networking in network manager, now wifi adapter is greyed out, reason: hardware (button) lock. There's a button, but it does nothing. and apparently rfkill is an unknown command. hows up in iwconfig as eth1 though. stumped./ |
| 16:00.54 | petn-randall | ChrisH: if you set up raid5 it will be raid5. Meaning that the parity is still striped over all disks. |
| 16:01.17 | ChrisH | petn-randall: We hoped that... just discussed this with a coworker. |
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| 16:02.09 | petn-randall | ChrisH: but a degraded raid5 will run a lot slower, so it should only be used for testing / as a last resort. |
| 16:03.15 | ChrisH | petn-randall: Its about migration with limited HW onto a new Server system |
| 16:03.55 | petn-randall | ChrisH: oh, that thing :) |
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| 16:05.53 | bezaban | I am getting USB lockups on a specific device. Logitech G400 mouse: http://pastebin.com/ZBHbX3ny Processes trying to access it (powertop, lomoco, khudb etc) hang with a D state flag, making them unable to be halted unless I reboot. Running Wheezy, upgrading to latest kernel now, but has persisted for a few versions. |
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| 16:06.17 | reavengrey | Interesting changes to /usr/lib and /usr/include |
| 16:06.20 | reavengrey | In wheezy |
| 16:06.28 | bezaban | Anyone have simliar experiences/input? |
| 16:06.40 | zinx | reavengrey: multiarch stuff? |
| 16:06.46 | reavengrey | yea |
| 16:06.55 | bezaban | could be something wrong with my USB drivers/hardware, but not experiencing it on keyboard at all. |
| 16:07.00 | zinx | yeah i've been using it in sid for a while now |
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| 16:07.16 | ompaul | bezaban: could be the mouse, the odd time I change them in work people seem happier |
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| 16:07.28 | ompaul | bezaban: not that model just mice now and again they all seem to go |
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| 16:08.43 | bezaban | ompaul: yeah, probably right |
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| 16:08.58 | bezaban | last resort asking here |
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| 16:10.09 | ChrisH | bezaban: My USB hub hangs up from time to time. It can be forced when I carge my mobile on/with/from the active hub |
| 16:11.00 | bezaban | interesting fix |
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| 16:15.23 | ompaul | bezaban: the thing with usb is that plugging in and unplugging can restart the detection of hardware and fix it - but if that fails I'd be buying another mouse |
| 16:15.51 | ompaul | bezaban: (frustration / cost of new mouse)=contented user |
| 16:16.27 | ompaul | bezaban: I like that equation - if that fails then the hardware may be having an issue, and depending on the age of the box (over four years old) is it worth any more time |
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| 16:17.25 | darwish | any1 at ease with dpkg-buildpackage to explain me why it tries to perform a fakeroot debian/rules on some other source file ? |
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| 16:22.59 | penguin1 | petn-randall: somehow yes, the debian packages and all required stuff comes from a local proxy |
| 16:23.13 | penguin1 | reavengrey: oh, weezy is there now? |
| 16:23.34 | reavengrey | It's still pre-release |
| 16:23.56 | reavengrey | I upgraded for a certain driver from 3.x kernel |
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| 16:32.09 | petn-randall | ChrisH: I'm still running a 6 disk RAID10 here with the buggy metadata format 0.90. I'm missing two disks to move the system to a new RAID10. :/ |
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| 16:35.00 | ChrisH | petn-randall: I assume its for private use not for a production system. |
| 16:35.01 | petn-randall | bezaban: If it worked fine with earlier kernel version it might be interesting to bisect when the faulty change was introduced. |
| 16:35.21 | petn-randall | ChrisH: it's production :( |
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| 16:36.50 | ChrisH | petn-randall: if its production. what will it cost if it fails? what do the 2 disks cost? This is something the penny-counters should understand. |
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| 16:37.36 | petn-randall | ChrisH: turns out that with meta data format 0.90, if your partition starts at sector 2048, it can't distinguish if the component starts at sector 0 or 2048, and will assume 0. |
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| 16:38.12 | petn-randall | ChrisH: it was documented in recent mdadm releases, but thrashed the RAID a year ago. |
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| 16:39.54 | petn-randall | ChrisH: well, if management would always agree with the techs ... |
| 16:40.08 | petn-randall | .oO( IT heaven ) |
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| 16:46.03 | needle | petn-randall: easy just do a calculation how much costs an outage for e.g 4 hours , and compare that to the small investment costs you would need to do , finally show the management. problem solved |
| 16:46.36 | ChrisH | petn-randall: Well, it 2 missing disks are not effordable, then the system cannot be important. |
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| 16:49.22 | chrisr | Which is better for a virtual server, debian or ubuntu? (I know it's a bit silly here, but I'm interested in the reasons) |
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| 16:49.53 | rndnick42132 | debin of course |
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| 16:50.03 | ChrisH | chrisr: where is the difference between a virtual server and a real one? |
| 16:50.38 | petn-randall | chrisr: define 'better' |
| 16:51.24 | chrisr | petn-randall: better for us is more stable and robust |
| 16:51.39 | petn-randall | ChrisH: it has enough disk in the raid, I'm just missing to disks to do a live migration from one 6-disk RAID10 to another. |
| 16:51.45 | petn-randall | *two |
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| 16:52.47 | petn-randall | chrisr: read up on the release process and what packages receive security support. Everyone in here will say Debian, and everyone at #ubuntu will say Ubuntu, so you have to form your own opinion. |
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| 16:53.45 | rndnick42132 | and maybe think what will be better in the long run |
| 16:54.17 | crhylove | Hi. Centos is really pissing me off atm. I want to go to a straight Debian testing environment on an extra 2950 I have laying around in the server room. |
| 16:54.28 | crhylove | Do I really need 8 DVDs for that? LOL |
| 16:54.46 | petn-randall | crhylove: No, you need netinstall and an internet connection. |
| 16:54.52 | ChrisH | crhylove: If you have network acces during installation, use netinstall and be happy |
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| 16:55.16 | crhylove | Thnx. :D |
| 16:55.27 | petn-randall | crhylove: all 8 DVDs you'll need when you're installing Debian in a nuclear bunker without wires going to the outside world. |
| 16:55.46 | chrisr | petn-randall: I usually find the judgements of experts, of which there some in here, is usually better than what could be read in a couple of hours. I'd just like to know the reasons that the experts have for choosing debian over ubunutu in a server environment. |
| 16:55.46 | rndnick42132 | how do i get a bluetooth traffic dump? |
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| 16:56.08 | crhylove | Ah. LOL I was kind of hoping for a 1 DVD common use scenario. That's just what I'm accustomed to though. I can unlearn what I have learned. |
| 16:56.22 | ChrisH | rndnick42132: IIRC hcidump |
| 16:57.32 | ChrisH | chrisr: I choose debian because its stable, does not need the newest version and implements security fixes fast. |
| 16:57.34 | rndnick42132 | ChrisH: will try, thx |
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| 16:58.34 | petn-randall | chrisr: Debian has a 'when ready' release schedule. Ubuntu releases LTS strictly every two years. (main difference 1) |
| 16:59.52 | sparadokos | chrisr: Started with Debian and went to many others. Then bleeding edge... used fedora for a couple years. Then to openbsd as my desktop for 3 for the use only what I need thought. in the end.. Debian gives me what I need and want and is stable. |
| 17:00.03 | petn-randall | chrisr: Canonical gives security support for ~3000 out of 30k packages. Debian gives security support for all > 30k packages they have. |
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| 17:01.12 | ret | hi |
| 17:02.04 | chrisr | petn-randall: we won't be purchasing any support contracts. |
| 17:02.22 | ret | some usb do not mount automatically so I have to do it as root but then I can not write on them as normal user. Is there any way to mount a usb as root but allowing anyone to write on it? |
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| 17:03.17 | petn-randall | chrisr: Even without support contracts. Ubuntu only gives security support to 1/10 of their repo. The rest will only be updated if it got fixed in Debian and someone pulls the package. |
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| 17:04.57 | rozie | ret: use pmount (as user) |
| 17:05.05 | chrisr | Is there anything better about ubuntu in a server environment? |
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| 17:05.27 | rozie | chrisr: support, sometimes |
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| 17:06.03 | rozie | depends what server do. there's no generic "server enviroment" |
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| 17:06.24 | ret | rozie: thank you |
| 17:06.36 | olivier_bK | do you know if it's possible to create a repository for redhat on debian server ? |
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| 17:07.18 | rozie | olivier_bK: what you need to create redhat repository? |
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| 17:08.29 | olivier_bK | rozie, i need a redhat repository because i have one more server and i already have debian reposity |
| 17:08.56 | olivier_bK | rozie, it's my first redhat server |
| 17:09.07 | Night_Elf | Hi all. I was wondering, can EQL, the load balancing mechanism in linux, be used to sort-of emulate a multilink connection? The idea is to use two physical gsm usb modems in a laptop, while to the system it would apear as one single connection. A kind of pseudo link aggregation. Can this be done? |
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| 17:09.18 | rozie | olivier_bK: you didn't answer my question |
| 17:10.21 | rozie | in general, running repository is just running webserver. don't know what tools you need to create redhat repository (structure, files) |
| 17:10.30 | crhylove | How stable IS 6.0.7? Any strange reports at all? |
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| 17:11.14 | olivier_bK | rozie, it's possible to create a redhat repository on debian server ? for creat a repository redhat i need mrepo or in debian he doesn't exist |
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| 17:13.20 | rozie | olivier_bK: you can download/compile programs on Debian |
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| 17:14.00 | rozie | and mrepo is just for extracting from ISO, as far as I can see |
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| 17:16.04 | chrisr | Which version of debian should I use for my server? wheezy or squeeze? Is wheezy ready for production yet? |
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| 17:20.15 | rozie | chrisr: read about release policy in Debian. Squeeze is stable. Wheezy is frozen testing. If its production, I'd stick to Squeeze in general. If its just for learning or home server (no big money involved), I'd go Wheezy |
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| 17:21.06 | sparadokos | squeeze + backports here.. |
| 17:22.13 | chrisr | If I install wheezy will it be easy to update to the latest version when it is finally released? |
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| 17:23.20 | sparadokos | chrisr: if you install wheezy you will be good to go. There maybe a few packages to update but you wont need to do an upgrade. |
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| 17:23.43 | rozie | chrisr: usually lot easier, than full upgrade |
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| 17:23.53 | chrisr | How long before final wheezy will be released? are we talking weeks or months? |
| 17:24.05 | daemonkeeper | Every month consists of weeks. |
| 17:24.16 | rozie | chrisr: Debian is released, when it's ready. |
| 17:24.17 | daemonkeeper | So it's weeks. Or if you prefer, days. |
| 17:24.27 | rozie | even seconds! ;-) |
| 17:24.28 | TheWarden | Hi |
| 17:24.32 | petn-randall | crhylove: You won't get a sensible answer because your question is too general. |
| 17:24.35 | sparadokos | lol |
| 17:24.40 | chrisr | seconds will do |
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| 17:25.04 | chrisr | Is it likely to be released in the next 2 months? |
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| 17:25.11 | rozie | chrisr: is it just for learning? |
| 17:25.17 | chrisr | rozie: no |
| 17:25.18 | petn-randall | chrisr: possible, maybe. |
| 17:25.29 | chrisr | petn-randall: but not likely? |
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| 17:25.32 | daemonkeeper | chrisr: Wheezy is released, when the green line crosses 0 (or close to): http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/ |
| 17:25.42 | petn-randall | chrisr: last time I checked we were down to 74 RC bugs. |
| 17:25.45 | TheWarden | How can I tell if a connecting hit a Debian server or not? I'm trying to test a static IP address that is suppose to resolve from our ISP and I'm trying to use it for VPN access. Oddly its not working so far but the dynamic IP address works. Which of course I don't want to use, I need to static to work. |
| 17:25.54 | sparadokos | chrisr http://wiki.debian.org/DebianWheezy |
| 17:26.04 | daemonkeeper | petn-randall: 105 as of today. |
| 17:26.15 | petn-randall | daemonkeeper: :( |
| 17:26.19 | daemonkeeper | (i.e. affecting Wheezy) |
| 17:26.56 | rozie | TheWarden: you want to check if packet reached the IP? |
| 17:27.14 | TheWarden | the vpn logs don't show anything from this static IP. |
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| 17:27.24 | chrisr | the green line looks pretty damn close to 0 |
| 17:27.25 | rozie | TheWarden: run sniffer |
| 17:27.52 | TheWarden | rozie: I want to some how verify that the IP is resolving to the server as so far it doesn't appear to be working and therefore I would have to call the ISP to find out why I guess. |
| 17:28.05 | chrisr | Can I change the group id (GID) during installation? |
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| 17:29.48 | TheWarden | rozie: a sniffer, on the Debian server or the remote computer connecting in? |
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| 17:30.54 | reavengrey | Yo, I just finished my upgrade to Wheezy, but for some reason, the kernel didn't get upgraded to 3.2.0-r4 |
| 17:31.05 | reavengrey | And my grub still has 2.6.32 |
| 17:31.12 | reavengrey | I did update-grub, didn't change anything |
| 17:31.29 | reavengrey | So, I checked the /lib/modules folder, etc and saw that the upgrade process didn't fetch the kernel (?) |
| 17:31.29 | sparadokos | TheWarden: nmap might also give you the information you are looking for. |
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| 17:31.34 | reavengrey | IS this a bug? |
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| 17:31.51 | reavengrey | AFAIK, wheezy should come with kernel 3.x series |
| 17:32.18 | daemonkeeper | 3.2 |
| 17:32.33 | reavengrey | Right, so, I suppose that this is a big of some kind? |
| 17:32.59 | penguin1 | petn-randall: how can I get rid of that prompt? |
| 17:33.00 | reavengrey | *bug |
| 17:33.02 | daemonkeeper | Your probably don't have installed the meta-packaging pulling on the most current kernel. |
| 17:33.13 | reavengrey | What does that mean? |
| 17:33.18 | reavengrey | And how can I go about confirming it? |
| 17:33.47 | rozie | TheWarden: host <domain> will give you IP |
| 17:33.47 | daemonkeeper | Install linux-image-amd64 or whatever your architecture is. |
| 17:34.07 | daemonkeeper | That pulls the most recent kernel version available for your suite. |
| 17:34.16 | rozie | TheWarden: sniffer should be run on destination |
| 17:34.19 | reavengrey | daemonkeeper: Thanks |
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| 17:37.29 | chrisr | Which linux does linus use? |
| 17:38.25 | TheWarden | actually forgot what I said... I can't believe I was thinking that. Duh, I need to get more sleep lol. |
| 17:38.29 | epsilon | that one with nvidia binary driver |
| 17:39.14 | dexta | evening |
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| 17:39.45 | TheWarden | My questions should be can one setup a static public IP address on a Debian server that is behind a router but yet still make it accessible remotely? Mmmm I wonder in order to do that I would have to set it as the DMZ I think |
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| 17:40.38 | dondelelcaro | TheWarden: there are many ways to do that, but normally you'd have the router have the public IP, and route only the ports that you need |
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| 17:40.52 | dondelelcaro | TheWarden: of course, if you can do BGP on the router, then... |
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| 17:41.09 | dondelelcaro | (or otherwise route packets appropriately, then...) |
| 17:41.39 | TheWarden | dondelelcaro: well the router itself is connected to the ISP which provides a dynamic IP address to it to the public that is. So I can't do that. It's just a Netgear wndr3700v2 device. |
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| 17:44.12 | chrisr | Ok i've just installed squeeze but "ifconfig" is not in the path for a normal user. Is this normal debian behaviour? It's there for root. |
| 17:44.31 | needle | TheWarden: the public IP address behind the "isp router", it will work if the ISP router connected to your server knows where to route that public network. |
| 17:45.46 | TheWarden | chrisr: root only has access to do ifconfig or those users with sudo or su. One should configure setup to use sudo and not be directly using root. |
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| 17:46.46 | chrisr | TheWarden: my normal user can use sudo |
| 17:46.47 | TheWarden | needle: well I don't have access to the ISP to change that.. they just provide a static ip, netmask, gateway |
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| 17:47.04 | TheWarden | chrisr: well then do sudo ifconfig then |
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| 17:47.24 | needle | TheWarden: it won't work that way, if you expect this public IP address to be reachable in the internet |
| 17:48.12 | penguin1 | anyone? |
| 17:48.13 | olivier_bK | somebody have alredy get this error on centos,red-hat etc.. it's appear when i tryin to execute yum search Error importing repomd.xml |
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| 17:49.18 | needle | the backbone of your ISP needs to "know" there is such a public IP connected to "your router" , so they would assing such an public IP or network. TheWarden |
| 17:49.19 | baudtack_andy | is there a repo with a more modern iceweasel/firefox in it? i found one with 17 but... |
| 17:51.36 | chrisr | Can anyone recommend a good and easy way to virtualise debian servers? |
| 17:51.49 | daemonkeeper | Using what? |
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| 17:52.14 | crhylove | chrisr, esxi? Virtualbox? kvm? |
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| 17:52.18 | chrisr | daemonkeeper: I don't know. Just something good. |
| 17:52.27 | needle | define good |
| 17:52.41 | crhylove | For hosting virtual servers, for desktop use? What are you doing the vm for? |
| 17:52.41 | daemonkeeper | Asking four people give your four different technologies on that. |
| 17:52.43 | chrisr | crhylove: we're about to embark on virtualisation in a big way. |
| 17:52.51 | chrisr | We're using them as application servers |
| 17:52.54 | crhylove | in the server room? |
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| 17:52.58 | chrisr | yes |
| 17:53.01 | daemonkeeper | KVM or Xen then. |
| 17:53.15 | daemonkeeper | Which again is a matter of taste and religion. |
| 17:53.21 | chrisr | We're about to start using VirtualBox to do it but it seems wrong |
| 17:53.31 | crhylove | ah, well, I'm familiar with vsphere, but I am excited to look into kvm or xen more. |
| 17:53.50 | crhylove | virtualbox is great for testing on one desktop, it's not really a server room style vm, imho. |
| 17:54.00 | TheWarden | VirtualBox is good but if you are wanting to have a server that hosts multiple VMs I would suggest to use Xen in my opinion. |
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| 17:54.14 | crhylove | goes to look into Xen. |
| 17:54.20 | chrisr | TheWarden: can Xen virtual servers be easily copied around? |
| 17:54.32 | fnmueller | baudtack_andy: you mean like http://mozilla.debian.net/ ? |
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| 17:54.58 | daemonkeeper | chrisr: Xen virtual machines are typically using disk images or partitions, so yes. Also it supports live migration. |
| 17:55.10 | TheWarden | chrisr: apparently it can but I don't have a lot of experience doing it. I've seen it done from Windows Servers to Unix bases systems. However keep in mind the OS it self needs to have support for visualization. |
| 17:55.12 | chrisr | VirtualBoxes can be controlled in headless mode. |
| 17:55.13 | baudtack_andy | fnmueller: that's where i found 17... is there 19 in there somewhere? |
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| 17:55.40 | chrisr | TheWarden: does debian support Xen virtualisation and Is it a good choice? |
| 17:55.45 | olivier_bK | do you know if exist an tools for create a repository redhat on debian ? |
| 17:55.50 | daemonkeeper | chrisr: It does. |
| 17:56.23 | chrisr | What are the best and simplest tools to use to get started using Xen? |
| 17:56.28 | fnmueller | baudtack_andy: it comes automatically, if you use the instructions provided there. I have no idea what you did to get your misinformation. |
| 17:56.32 | chrisr | With virtualbox it's easy as pie. |
| 17:56.34 | TheWarden | chrisr: I'm not sure if Debian does or not. again this is all from experience of watching someone set this up, I've never done that before. All I know is have a crap load of hardware for multiple VMs. |
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| 17:56.40 | tgs3 | daemonkeeper: I like kvm |
| 17:56.44 | baudtack_andy | fnmueller: i'll poke around it a bit more, thanks |
| 17:56.48 | fnmueller | np |
| 17:56.52 | daemonkeeper | tgs3: [18:52] <daemonkeeper> Asking four people give your four different technologies on that. |
| 17:57.10 | tgs3 | daemonkeeper: btw there are security bugs in libvirt, be sure to upgrade system |
| 17:57.22 | TheWarden | virtualbox is in my experience not intended for server use but more of running multiple OSs on top of your desktop OS. |
| 17:57.24 | daemonkeeper | libvirt has exactly zero to do with Xen. |
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| 17:57.51 | tgs3 | daemonkeeper: yea but if you are trying other options then only xen |
| 17:57.52 | petn-randall | penguin1: sorry, no idea |
| 17:58.06 | crhylove | TheWarden, agreed, and virtualbox is GREAT for that. :D |
| 17:58.13 | nkuttler | daemonkeeper: huh? http://libvirt.org/drvxen.html |
| 17:58.20 | tgs3 | afair virtualbox sucked a totall cock |
| 17:58.30 | daemonkeeper | nkuttler: It has Xen bindings, but you don't need it at all to operate. |
| 17:58.31 | nkuttler | tgs3: is that good or bad? |
| 17:58.36 | nkuttler | daemonkeeper: sure |
| 17:58.40 | fnmueller | virtualbox is a resource eating monter |
| 17:58.42 | fnmueller | monster |
| 17:59.04 | TheWarden | chrisr: I would suggest to go use your favorite search engine and do some reading up on virtualization. |
| 17:59.11 | daemonkeeper | chrisr: Setting up Xen/VM is surely more work than Virtualbox. That said, both are way ahead for headless server operations. |
| 17:59.29 | crhylove | virtualbox is the best vm out for desktop use. Period. Dead simple, great for gaming, windows hosts/vms, mac.... |
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| 17:59.44 | TheWarden | agreeded |
| 17:59.44 | crhylove | however in the server room: dead last. |
| 17:59.53 | TheWarden | agreeded |
| 18:00.02 | daemonkeeper | It's just that's completely irrelevant for headless server use, PV, advanced networking and so on. |
| 18:00.37 | nvz | I'm on wheezy and I can't seem to use java in any browser iceweasel, chrome.. default-jre openjdk is all installed idk what else to do |
| 18:00.44 | crhylove | ugh... kvm is RH. Why didn't you warn me. |
| 18:00.58 | daemonkeeper | crhylove: KVM is in the pristine kernel. |
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| 18:01.13 | zykotick9 | crhylove: kvm isn't redhat. libvirt is. |
| 18:01.16 | crhylove | Why they have a RH favicon? |
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| 18:01.22 | crhylove | I got physically ill. |
| 18:01.36 | needle | crhylove: you do not have to use it, take something else |
| 18:01.38 | TheWarden | Xen or VMWare is the only options that I know that is viable. |
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| 18:01.46 | daemonkeeper | chrisr: Because it's pushed and partially developed by Red Hat |
| 18:01.59 | daemonkeeper | But full KVM support is in any kernel from kernel.org already. |
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| 18:02.17 | daemonkeeper | TheWarden: Please don't advertise Vmware in this channel. |
| 18:02.24 | crhylove | We currently use VMware, but I'd love to ditch it for FOSS. I'm jealous of my vCenter brethren on the other side of the paywall. |
| 18:02.59 | crhylove | What can Xen do similar to vCenter/vSphere? |
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| 18:03.15 | tgs3 | nkuttler: it's bad |
| 18:03.21 | TheWarden | daemonkeeper: ahh okay, sorry I didn't realize it was a big deal. |
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| 18:03.45 | daemonkeeper | crhylove: Google XCP or OpenNebula |
| 18:03.46 | tgs3 | daemonkeeper: the sucking totall donkey's cock is bad - unless it would be a dick sucking contest, but Linus says it is't |
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| 18:03.54 | TheWarden | daemonkeeper: I thought KVM is not true entire virutalization? |
| 18:03.57 | tgs3 | isn't |
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| 18:04.00 | crhylove | daemonkeeper, Thanks. |
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| 18:04.28 | tgs3 | TheWarden: kvm is true virtualization... why would it not be? old quemu (without kvm) was emulation |
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| 18:04.33 | daemonkeeper | tgs3: You don't need to convince me. I can't stand KVM ... |
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| 18:04.51 | EmleyMoor | I use kvm quite a bit. |
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| 18:05.05 | tgs3 | daemonkeeper: what problems are you heving with kvm? |
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| 18:05.19 | TheWarden | tgs3: oh well I guess I need to read more on the subject.... what little I have read it just didn't sound like a good option for server virtualization that is. |
| 18:05.20 | crhylove | I saw the fedora, and just closed all the kvm tabs. Gnome 3, all the breakage, I'll never forgive RH. They're dead to me. |
| 18:05.33 | tgs3 | EmleyMoor: are you just editing run scripts and pass options to kvm, or use some system wide settings of virsh etc? |
| 18:05.57 | jacobw | virt-install, virsh, virt-manager, etc |
| 18:06.04 | debianN00b | i am still searching to disable ipv6 on wheezy... |
| 18:06.10 | EmleyMoor | tgs3: I run a few systems, mainly in text only mode... |
| 18:06.14 | EmleyMoor | debianN00b: Why? |
| 18:06.19 | daemonkeeper | tgs3: It's user interface (i.e. it's non existence) sucks, it's barely usable without libvirt. It does not support full virtualization, it's a hack around qemu and more. |
| 18:06.33 | tgs3 | EmleyMoor: yes, and on thoes system do you just run kvm as a commands kvm -hda .... or do you use something else? |
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| 18:06.50 | jacobw | it's not supposed to be usable without a hypervisor manager |
| 18:06.54 | tgs3 | daemonkeeper: full virtualization? |
| 18:07.02 | daemonkeeper | tgs3: Yes, aka. "run Windows" |
| 18:07.05 | EmleyMoor | tgs3: Just that, within a shell script to deal with the filesystems... |
| 18:07.20 | debianN00b | EmleyMoor, I think it is useless now and seems sometime it makes connection problem too |
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| 18:07.30 | tgs3 | daemonkeeper: uh, |
| 18:07.33 | tgs3 | daemonkeeper: "KVM (for Kernel-based Virtual Machine) is a full virtualization solution for Linux on x86 hardware containing virtualization extensions (Intel VT or AMD-V)." |
| 18:07.46 | daemonkeeper | So? |
| 18:07.48 | jacobw | You can't really disable IPv6, it's a address family in the networking stack |
| 18:07.55 | EmleyMoor | debianN00b: I'd say far from it. What problems are you seeitg exactly? It's certainly not useless. |
| 18:08.01 | TheWarden | only x86? its not 64-bit |
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| 18:08.16 | daemonkeeper | TheWarden: amd64 is x86_64 |
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| 18:08.45 | daemonkeeper | i.e. x86 on steroids. But yes, it does not work on pure x86 because VT/AMD-V does not work there. |
| 18:08.45 | koollman | daemonkeeper: the user interface is kvm. I use it quite fine without libvirt, for example in proxmox, or standalone. (I don't know enough about the qemu part, although I remember it the other way around) |
| 18:09.05 | tgs3 | daemonkeeper: in practice what you can do with xen but not with kvm? |
| 18:09.24 | daemonkeeper | tgs3: PV. |
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| 18:09.42 | daemonkeeper | And no, PV drivers are no replacement. |
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| 18:09.56 | koollman | no. hardware support is a replacement ;) |
| 18:10.11 | jacobw | PV as in paravirtualization? What does that mean now? |
| 18:10.36 | tgs3 | daemonkeeper: what do you mean with PV? are you refering to xen running in dom0 ? |
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| 18:11.02 | daemonkeeper | jacobw: Letting the guest kernel know it's virtualized and use highly optimized system buses for I/O instead of using the indirection through the pure x86 emulation. |
| 18:11.02 | electrostat | hello, I've got some problem with a squeeze installation; it used to run fine as a local server, yet has a screen and keyboard attached, so I haven't setup a ssh server; this worked well until recently the screen stayed black, but it still serves http requests... is there another way to get the console output? |
| 18:11.04 | tgs3 | kvm seems to support paravirtualization too, but maybe to smaller extent? |
| 18:11.16 | tgs3 | daemonkeeper: yea, kvm does that |
| 18:11.29 | daemonkeeper | tgs3: It does not. It does so for I/O drivers (NIC, disk) |
| 18:11.35 | koollman | jacobw: virtualisation with 'help' code from the guest OS |
| 18:11.49 | tgs3 | daemonkeeper: yes, and what more would you need? |
| 18:11.59 | tgs3 | you mean access to PCI-x, GPU etc? |
| 18:12.05 | daemonkeeper | tgs3: memory, PCI passthrough, ... |
| 18:12.14 | jacobw | I see, I wasn't clear on the distinction between paravirtualization and containerization |
| 18:12.27 | tgs3 | kvm can access USB for sure, Im using it... about PCI hm |
| 18:12.43 | daemonkeeper | tgs3: Though memory is partly implied by the use of Intel VT |
| 18:13.03 | tgs3 | daemonkeeper: but is PV access to memory much better then normal access from KVM when KVM runs as user process (using /dev/kvm) ? |
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| 18:13.24 | tgs3 | so the big difference is in PCI and other hardware access? |
| 18:13.37 | koollman | daemonkeeper: well, it sucks for its non-support of paravirtualisation ... because it's not a tool to do paravirt. |
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| 18:14.09 | daemonkeeper | tgs3: Sure, the thing slowing virtualization the most are read cache fails. Those are really expensive and need to be trapped. However, as I said, Intel VT or AMD's counter part partly come over that problem. |
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| 18:14.55 | tgs3 | koollman: KVM does PV for hdd and nic though |
| 18:15.26 | tgs3 | daemonkeeper: I see. Well I wonder about secuirty here, is running a "normal" guest system without use of PV is not more contained |
| 18:15.31 | koollman | tgs3: well... yes. But my point was that it's not the goal of the tool. the goal is to use hardware virtualisation |
| 18:15.34 | daemonkeeper | tgs3: Aside of that, PV domains can also be used to shape resources, e.g. think of ballooning (on-demand memory grow/shrink) |
| 18:15.36 | debianN00b | EmleyMoor, For this reason : http://en.kioskea.net/faq/758-myth-disabling-ipv6-will-speed-up-internet-connections |
| 18:15.46 | tgs3 | daemonkeeper: KVM supports memory ballooning |
| 18:16.06 | fruitloops | are there wrappers that take normal threaded apps and distribute them across cpu's/gpu's in an optimized fashion? |
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| 18:16.36 | koollman | daemonkeeper: which kvm supports, too. those are just drivers. the only paravirt stuff I can think of in xen that is not supported by kvm is to run a xen-oriented paravirtualised os, rather than load specific drivers |
| 18:16.39 | fruitloops | i'm thnking, instead or reinventing the wheel and such. |
| 18:16.41 | tgs3 | I use KVMs for servers and the goals are 1) security 2) performance in this order. also I would prefer to use normal linux as host and as guest... |
| 18:16.51 | tgs3 | do you think I choosen wrongly then, is KVM not best for me? |
| 18:17.01 | JyZyXEL | how do you set up fglrx with multiple cards? |
| 18:17.02 | koollman | fruitloops: there are. they don't work well, because it needs magic |
| 18:17.12 | daemonkeeper | tgs3: Xen uses hypercalls to communcate with the guest OS. Of course that's prone to some risks, but those aren't significantly higher than regular x86 machine codes which are trapped and emulated. |
| 18:17.18 | tgs3 | I could try kvm+paravirt (but it introduces more possible points to fail) or xen maybe (but again, special guest os - more failure points?) |
| 18:17.50 | daemonkeeper | tgs3: i.e. it just extends what the plain machine emulation does anyway by useful hypercalls for virtualization but yet providing full isolation. |
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| 18:18.28 | daemonkeeper | tgs3: Xen's PV guest support is in pristine kernels since 2.6.27 (I think, roundabout that) |
| 18:18.33 | EmleyMoor | debianN00b: If the method given there for Ubuntu is no use, are you sure this is your problem? |
| 18:18.55 | tgs3 | daemonkeeper: so to use Xen instead I need to... change "kvm -hda" into xen ... , and what more? :) rebuild guest kernel? |
| 18:19.10 | tgs3 | in vanilla kernel? |
| 18:19.22 | daemonkeeper | tgs3: If you use a decent guest operating system, it's all there already. |
| 18:19.41 | tgs3 | guest is debian |
| 18:20.04 | daemonkeeper | Debian supports Xen since Etch or so, upstream/vanilla support is there since 2.6.27 as said. |
| 18:20.14 | tgs3 | "Xen is a native, or bare-metal hypervisor. It runs in a more privileged CPU state than any other software on the machine." |
| 18:20.38 | tgs3 | I don't get that, will xen process on host run higher then host kernel? that cant be right |
| 18:20.50 | koollman | tgs3: it is host kernel. |
| 18:20.52 | debianN00b | EmleyMoor, My connection issue has been fixed (Browsing speed) ... But sometime(Not always) i get slow speed when i install software using apt.. So i thought disabling ipv6 may fix this too |
| 18:20.52 | tgs3 | there is some /dev/xen and it's kernel driver temporarly switches to dom0 ? |
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| 18:21.20 | debianN00b | EmleyMoor, I have followed this http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=85551 |
| 18:21.40 | chrisr | I started this VM converstaion. 1 point to me. |
| 18:21.57 | tgs3 | so "dom0" is just a name in xen, and anyway the emulation is done by linux kernel that as usuall runs in ring0 ? |
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| 18:22.51 | koollman | tgs3: nope. xen runs. then launch linux in the first special vm, dom0 |
| 18:23.07 | EmleyMoor | debianN00b: OK - maybe IPv6 was nothing to do with your problem, then. |
| 18:23.12 | daemonkeeper | tgs3: Xen is a bare metal hpervisor as koollman says. That means the dom0 (host kernel) communicates with a very thin layer hypervisor on top of that. You won't notice this in reality, because it does not feature any device drivers and so, and is only there to manage/isolate domains from each other, with one domain (dom0) getting special privileges. |
| 18:23.31 | fruitloops | koollman, that's interesting. even if there were specific wrappers for specific types of optimization. but that's cool. i dig magic. |
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| 18:24.42 | tgs3 | so to use xen on my host-os-debian, I need to boot the host-os-debian in speciall way, and it will run xen in ring-1, and then xen will run my host-os-debian? and when host-os-debian starts a VM then the VM runs alongside to host-os-debian, and isolation between them is handled by the Xen started at bootup? |
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| 18:26.08 | EmleyMoor | debianN00b: Does step 5 work as expected? |
| 18:26.17 | daemonkeeper | tgs3: You install Xen (which is another small kernel) which communicates with a host Debian/Linux kernel. The latter does all the configuration/driver magic and domain management. You won't even notice the former is there. However, it's the only domain started by Xen by default whose purpose is to manage the host/other guest. |
| 18:26.58 | debianN00b | EmleyMoor, netstat -tunlp |grep p6 |wc -l output: 6 |
| 18:27.22 | tgs3 | daemonkeeper: my host (debian) is on encrypted raid LVM, opened by current host-os-debian. I wonder how to add xen to this mix... it could be e.g. on separate partition, it will then run on boot? |
| 18:27.32 | tgs3 | so GRUB will run xen from it's own small partition |
| 18:28.03 | tgs3 | and xen just forwards bootting to the /boot / grub of host debian? |
| 18:28.24 | EmleyMoor | debianN00b: Can you pastebin the output of netstat -tunlp ? |
| 18:28.58 | EmleyMoor | (this may give us some clues as to what's listening) |
| 18:29.02 | daemonkeeper | tgs3: Grub will boot the hypervisor and host kernel in one step. You won't notice and it supports _everything_ your host system supports. |
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| 18:29.40 | tgs3 | daemonkeeper: neat. maybe i will give it a try |
| 18:29.52 | debianN00b | EmleyMoor, http://paste.debian.net/242617/ |
| 18:30.26 | nmeum | Hello, I just added ipv6 related settings to my /etc/network/interfaces. When I reboot my machine I do have ipv6 access, but it is gone after a few seconds. Is it possible to fix that? |
| 18:30.36 | daemonkeeper | tgs3: In reality you won't even notice the hypervisor kernel being there. |
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| 18:30.39 | nmeum | s/seconds/minutes/ |
| 18:31.09 | EmleyMoor | debianN00b: Hmmm... rpc.statd, rpcbind and dhclient are listening - not sure what you can do about that... |
| 18:31.27 | ChibaPet | Anyone know offhand if Squeeze will be getting ClamAV 0.97.7, or if security fixes have been backported already, or...? |
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| 18:31.39 | EmleyMoor | nmeum: Haw are you getting IPv6? |
| 18:31.46 | EmleyMoor | nmeum: How* even |
| 18:33.13 | tgs3 | daemonkeeper: Unless DriverDomain's are being used or the hardware is passed through to the domU, the dom0 is responsible for running all of the device drivers for the hardware. |
| 18:33.27 | daemonkeeper | What I said :> |
| 18:33.45 | daemonkeeper | Driver domains meaning PCI passthrough btw. |
| 18:33.55 | daemonkeeper | i.e. passing (physical) hardware through a guest. |
| 18:33.56 | penguin1 | Anyone here with some expertise with Debian Installer and preseed? |
| 18:34.04 | tgs3 | daemonkeeper: so then, the host-os-debian will be the one deciding if given xen VM can access given file with own image and/or /dev/sda(on guest) with it's data, and allowing to access e.g. PCI or firewire etc? |
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| 18:34.55 | tgs3 | daemonkeeper: because separation is very important, and host os will be properly configured and in addition use grsecurity to make sure given VM should have given access rights too |
| 18:34.58 | daemonkeeper | tgs3: Yes. Generally speaking. For PCI it's a bit more complicated, because you need to tell Xen at boot time it shall hide a given PCI ID from the dom0 kernel, because there is no sane way to pass it through on demand. |
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| 18:36.32 | tgs3 | daemonkeeper: so e.g. I tell xen to "take over" pci 2.0.1, and later in host-os I run xen for VM#3 and I tell xen to give to it thepci 2.0.1 so the VM can use GPU card directly and in example run full OpenGL with what ever drivers VM has? |
| 18:36.39 | penguin1 | Anyone here with some expertise with Debian Installer and preseed? |
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| 18:37.30 | daemonkeeper | tgs3: Righto. Although GPU specially are complicated beasts because they support all odd kinds of direct memory access which can be dangerous from a security perspective. |
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| 18:37.40 | tgs3 | daemonkeeper: neat. that was my thought exactly, |
| 18:37.54 | tgs3 | daemonkeeper: GPU but also all PCI cards can fuck up entire computer with direct memory overwrites |
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| 18:38.09 | tgs3 | IOMMU limits this and fixes it (for cpus that support IOMMU) |
| 18:38.11 | daemonkeeper | tgs3: So, in reality, Xen does not allow/work with /all/ GPUs, but some cards are known to work reliably. |
| 18:38.13 | MO_Handes | what version of debian installer supports uefi? |
| 18:38.14 | tgs3 | but how Xen add's to this picture? |
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| 18:38.38 | daemonkeeper | tgs3: Well, when IOMMU is supported by the hardware, Xen makes use of it. |
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| 18:38.51 | tgs3 | (thoug IOMMU protection kicks in only after BIOS and GRUB, but insecure, troyaned or malicious bios or the PCI hardware card itself, are another and probably unsolvable problem) |
| 18:39.22 | daemonkeeper | tgs3: See http://wiki.xen.org/wiki/XenVGAPassthrough |
| 18:39.36 | tgs3 | so Xen reads BIOS data, that table of devices thing.. and then decides which PCI card can access what memory so it is the place to e.g. disable the hack by firewire attack |
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| 18:41.13 | penguin1 | Anyone here with some expertise with Debian Installer and preseed? |
| 18:42.10 | electrostato | hello, I've got some problem with a squeeze installation; it used to run fine as a local server, yet has a screen and keyboard attached, so I haven't setup a ssh server; this worked well until recently the screen stayed black, but it still serves http requests... is there another way to get the console output? |
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| 18:42.32 | nmeum | EmleyMoor: I get native IPv6 from my provider |
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| 18:43.53 | tgs3 | electrostato: reconnecting vga... pressing keys.. not working? |
| 18:43.55 | EmleyMoor | nmeum: Hmmm... all ought to work fine, then... |
| 18:44.07 | EmleyMoor | What exactly happens? |
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| 18:44.30 | electrostato | tgs3: I tried ctrl-alt-f*, etc pressing keys |
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| 18:44.50 | electrostato | tgs3: I can't reconnect the display, it's hardwired |
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| 18:45.22 | tgs3 | electrostato: you could try alt+SysRq+R (raw mode keyboard) then again altr-ctrl-f1 |
| 18:45.35 | reavengrey | I'm on Wheezy |
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| 18:45.40 | reavengrey | I fucking |
| 18:45.42 | reavengrey | love |
| 18:45.45 | reavengrey | it |
| 18:45.50 | reavengrey | MAN |
| 18:45.52 | reavengrey | xD |
| 18:45.56 | electrostato | tgs3: err, where's the SysRq key? |
| 18:45.57 | reavengrey | GNOME 3 |
| 18:46.00 | reavengrey | hnnnnng |
| 18:46.29 | tgs3 | electrostato: it is the printscreen key. unless you have laptop keyboard? then FN+something possibly to get the printscreen (PtrSc) |
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| 18:46.33 | EmleyMoor | electrostato: Print Screen... or Fn+S on ThinkPads |
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| 18:46.49 | tgs3 | ra1nb0w: gnome3 is totally sucking all the cocks in universe |
| 18:46.53 | electrostato | tgs3: okay, thanks, now I can try it.... |
| 18:46.54 | EmleyMoor | (IIRC) |
| 18:47.11 | reavengrey | doing a great job of it too |
| 18:47.20 | reavengrey | omg I'm so satisfied :3 |
| 18:47.30 | tgs3 | will debian switch to something like gnome 3 but that is not useles? |
| 18:47.39 | tgs3 | maybe kde or one of gnome forks? |
| 18:48.16 | petn-randall | tgs3: they're all packaged, you just have to install them. |
| 18:48.30 | petn-randall | tgs3: gnome3, kde, xfce, lxde, awesomewm, etc. pp. |
| 18:48.31 | nmeum | EmleyMoor: well...I reboot my machine and I do a ping6 debian.org and get the expected response. Then I wait a few seconds do ping6 debian.org and get a network not reachable error |
| 18:48.36 | tgs3 | petn-randall: the default thing is important choice |
| 18:48.43 | penguin1 | Anyone here with some expertise with Debian Installer and preseed? |
| 18:48.49 | nmeum | s/seconds/minutes/ |
| 18:48.49 | tgs3 | petn-randall: not me |
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| 18:49.19 | format_c | nmeum: check ip -6 n just before |
| 18:49.38 | petn-randall | penguin1: maybe you'll have more luck on the mailinglist of your choice. |
| 18:49.49 | format_c | maybe the router is answering the ND reqs slowly |
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| 18:50.09 | petn-randall | tgs3: meh, if I'd care about defaults I'd be using Ubuntu ;) |
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| 18:51.16 | tgs3 | * penguin1 ^ |
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| 18:53.46 | electrostato | tgs3, EmleyMoor: no success :-( I have a normal/legacy keyboard, tried Alt-PrintScreen-R, didn't work - but I'm able to plug in new devices to the available usb ports, could that help me assuming I have the peripherals? |
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| 18:54.20 | tgs3 | electrostato: so your video output dided and you want to controll machine but dont have sshd server there? |
| 18:54.39 | electrostato | tgs3: exactly, |
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| 18:54.44 | tgs3 | electrostato: well in worst case you can reboot gracefully with alt+ctrl+del and wait ~20 sec for it shut down |
| 18:54.46 | jhutchins_wk | nmeum: The problem with ipv6 is that there are very few trans-internet routes that will support native ipv6 all the way. |
| 18:55.28 | nmeum | jhutchins_wk: well...I have this issue on a vserver and most vserver have ipv6 these days |
| 18:55.48 | jhutchins_wk | nmeum: While everything offered publicly on the web is reachable via ipv4, many things are not reachable via ipv6, or if they can be reached are not functional. |
| 18:56.18 | nmeum | yeah and it is time to change that :p |
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| 18:56.30 | jhutchins_wk | nmeum: Just because you have ipv6 at your end, even if there is ipv6 response at the remote end there probably is not a pure ipv6 route between the two. |
| 18:56.51 | tgs3 | jhutchins_wk: how is this a problem is all is done transparenly by isp? |
| 18:56.57 | electrostato | tgs3: as the system image is read-only, I guess a hard reboot would fix me, but I'd appreciate not to that due to mounted data partitions with work in progress |
| 18:57.11 | jhutchins_wk | nmeum: THere's a lot of hadware out there that can't handle ipv6, even if it says it does. |
| 18:57.22 | tgs3 | electrostato: alt+ctr+del will be nice for the mounted partitions |
| 18:57.26 | nmeum | jhutchins_wk: I don't know how the ipv6 setup of my provider works but they assigned me a ipv6 adress a gateway and I netmask and I just added this to my /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 18:57.34 | nmeum | jhutchins_wk: I don't think that this is hardware problem |
| 18:57.38 | tgs3 | electrostato: e.g. it should do normal system reboot as if you wouldrun reboot commands |
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| 18:58.04 | jhutchins_wk | tgs3: Two things: transparancy isn't magic - sometimes it doesn't work, and even if it does a lot of services that are _reachable_ by ipv6 are not _usable_ over it. |
| 18:58.10 | nmeum | jhutchins_wk: I have another vserver from this provider which is running arch linux and ipv6 is working fine over there |
| 18:59.03 | jhutchins_wk | We have a number of servers that essentially redirect any ipv6 connections back to the ipv4 service. |
| 18:59.19 | electrostato | tgs3: okay, thanks, I'll use that as last option, but I hoped there's some way to get the console output my pluging in a device or such |
| 18:59.30 | electrostato | by* |
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| 19:00.11 | jhutchins_wk | nmeum: Are you using a static configuration on the system that's having problems? |
| 19:01.28 | jhutchins_wk | electrostato: Why not just restart the gui? |
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| 19:02.16 | electrostato | jhutchins_wk: how can I do that, as the screen is currently black, I can't see what I do |
| 19:02.20 | electrostato | ? |
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| 19:03.16 | penguin1 | tgs3: ? |
| 19:03.22 | penguin1 | tgs3: ^ ? |
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| 19:05.23 | reavengrey | Are ekiga or empathy, etc able to connect to the skype network? |
| 19:05.29 | reavengrey | Are they skype compatible? |
| 19:05.42 | ompaul | is skype open protocol compatible no it is not |
| 19:05.51 | nmeum | jhutchins_wk: yes |
| 19:06.06 | ompaul | unless you take it's dialing a call to a standard number in which case ... it is |
| 19:06.06 | nmeum | jhutchins_wk: do you want to see it? |
| 19:06.20 | reavengrey | Right, thanks then |
| 19:06.27 | ompaul | but is it secure - it is a lot less secure than pots |
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| 19:08.31 | otters | Does anybody know of a pre-4.0 version of Skype that runs on amd64? |
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| 19:09.12 | petn-randall | otters: There's no amd64 version of skype, not even current ones. |
| 19:09.22 | otters | Right. |
| 19:09.31 | otters | But skype 4.0 i386 runs on amd64. |
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| 19:09.48 | petn-randall | otters: you can install via multiarch or ia32-libs, but that's it. |
| 19:09.51 | otters | All the versions of skype 2 return 1 |
| 19:09.54 | otters | when I try to launch them |
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| 19:10.20 | petn-randall | otters: I'm curious what you're trying to do ... |
| 19:11.13 | babilen | otters: Which version of Debian do you use? |
| 19:11.16 | otters | The Skype API in 4.0+ only sends about 80% of messages to the client |
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| 19:11.21 | otters | babilen: 6.0 |
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| 19:11.49 | otters | afaik skype 2's API isn't fundamentally broken |
| 19:11.56 | petn-randall | otters: even if they run, I can imagine that Skype didn't stay backwards compatible all the way, so older versions might not even connect. |
| 19:12.02 | otters | they do |
| 19:12.06 | babilen | otters: Would upgrading to wheezy be an option for you? If not see "/msg dpkg skype squeeze" or install/use 2.0.35 of skype. |
| 19:12.08 | electrostato | tgs3, EmleyMoor, jhutchins_wk: the screen that turned black is internally connect via VGA, but I can't disconnect and reconnect without opening the machine, which I don't want while running, does it help me that I can connect other devices to the server? |
| 19:12.32 | otters | babilen: Yeah, I think so |
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| 19:12.39 | babilen | otters: You think what? |
| 19:12.46 | otters | petn-randall: Skype 2 worked on i386 for me |
| 19:12.55 | otters | babilen: I have the option to upgrade to wheezy |
| 19:13.00 | otters | I think |
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| 19:13.12 | babilen | dpkg: tell otters -about release notes wheezy |
| 19:13.22 | babilen | dpkg: tell otters -about squeeze->wheezy |
| 19:13.26 | babilen | dpkg: tell otters -about skype |
| 19:13.37 | babilen | otters: That should sort you out then :) |
| 19:13.40 | otters | If I can upgrade to wheezy, what do I do then? |
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| 19:14.43 | babilen | otters: You install skype 4 as detailed on the wiki (amd64 → multiarch) |
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| 19:14.58 | otters | Right, but what about Skype 2? |
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| 19:15.41 | sparadokos | for what it is worth.. I use Squeeze and have skype-4.0.0.8-1_amd64 |
| 19:15.48 | sparadokos | wget -O skype http://download.skype.com/linux/skype-debian_4.0.0.8-1_amd64.deb |
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| 19:16.06 | babilen | Download it, install and use it? AFAIK it is not supported by upstream anymore, but skype *is not in Debian*. We do not support it, we do not package it, we do not endorse it and we shouldn't care about it. You can use 2.0.35 right now on squeeze without a problem. You can install the i386 package of 2.0.35 natively on wheezy. |
| 19:16.10 | electrostato_ | (old nick timed out) |
| 19:16.36 | petn-randall | otters: is the problem you're having with 4.0 because you're using it via the skype API in pidgin? |
| 19:16.52 | otters | petn-randall: I'm actually using skyped with bitlbee, but yes, it's an API problem |
| 19:16.58 | petn-randall | otters: That replies to you go to the skype client and not through to pidgin? |
| 19:17.07 | otters | Right |
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| 19:17.34 | petn-randall | otters: oh, I see. It broke for me some way through the 4.0 release, I just stopped using it then :) |
| 19:17.45 | otters | eah |
| 19:17.48 | otters | Exactly |
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| 19:18.56 | otters | Would love to still be able to talk to people, though |
| 19:19.09 | petn-randall | otters: I don't think they'll fix it. Since they got bought by MS, people on the Postgres conference were making fun of the devs that they'll have to migrate to MS Access :D |
| 19:19.25 | otters | I can hardly see Microsoft fixing an API bug |
| 19:19.55 | yuppiebunny | I can hardly see Microsoft fixing anything at all |
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| 19:20.05 | babilen | otters: Use the skype client if you want to use skype. And maybe take it to their forums -- I've told you your options as far as Debian is concerned. |
| 19:20.10 | otters | fuck microsoft |
| 19:20.18 | babilen | otters: Please refrain from that. |
| 19:20.28 | petn-randall | otters: don't forget to wear protection |
| 19:20.59 | ksuhku | http://www.fsf.org/campaigns/priority-projects/free-software-replacement-for-skype |
| 19:22.09 | petn-randall | unfortunately, skype is still the easiest audio/video calling tool to install and use. Just get an account and you're ready to go. |
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| 19:22.40 | yuppiebunny | oh, good link :) i wish i could just connect skype to asterisk, i know it was possible some time in the past, don't know about now |
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| 19:23.56 | petn-randall | yuppiebunny: asterisk had a bridge to skype, but MS didn't continue the contract after they bought them. |
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| 19:25.10 | yuppiebunny | petn-randall: that's sad. i was thinking about attaching skype and two mobile phones to skype and just receive call on my pad instead |
| 19:25.29 | yuppiebunny | but, even not supported... does it still work? |
| 19:25.35 | otters | at what point was skype bought by microsoft? |
| 19:25.48 | otters | nvm i'll wikt it |
| 19:25.51 | eth0ghost | won't touch Skype. |
| 19:25.59 | petn-randall | otters: 2011 |
| 19:26.27 | otters | hey, the working versions were all released before then |
| 19:26.29 | otters | that's weird |
| 19:26.35 | eth0ghost | =) |
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| 19:27.14 | yuppiebunny | it's not weird :D i even remember that the next day they closed the deal skype went down/buggy for a few days |
| 19:27.16 | petn-randall | hrrmm ... what a coincidence! |
| 19:27.36 | petn-randall | puts on his tinfoil hat |
| 19:28.10 | yuppiebunny | after this fact i kinda believed into negative ms karma, which can mess any logic :P |
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| 19:30.07 | lilibox | hi |
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| 19:30.24 | yuppiebunny | heya :) |
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| 19:31.30 | lilibox | i am trying to run small RAID1 on ATOM based mobo d2700MUD, with 2 new WD RED disks SATA (1TB) and i am getting same error messages as describing this: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/550559 |
| 19:31.39 | lilibox | does exist any debian solution? |
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| 19:32.34 | crose | hello, sorry for the noobish question, but is debian sid frozen since 6 months or is it just testing ? |
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| 19:33.55 | petn-randall | crose: just testing. |
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| 19:34.56 | crose | petn-randall : thank you very much for your answer. That's what I understood, but a friend of mine doesn't believe me, would you have a link explaining that sid never freezes ? |
| 19:35.04 | ottermaton | oh, hey petn-randall ... I was just about to ask if you were on |
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| 19:35.11 | petn-randall | crose: though kind of is the staging area for testing, which is why you don't see any radical changes there during the freeze of teseting. |
| 19:35.22 | ottermaton | are you on your x230 petn-randall ? |
| 19:35.50 | petn-randall | otters: jupp |
| 19:36.01 | crose | petn-randall : ok, so it's more complicated than it appears... |
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| 19:37.00 | petn-randall | ottermaton: I don't have an xorg.conf, scrolling with two fingers works. |
| 19:37.10 | petn-randall | ottermaton: not quite what you asked for, sorry :/ |
| 19:37.33 | petn-randall | crose: It's still true that sid never freezes. |
| 19:37.35 | ottermaton | do you have anything in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/ petn-randall ? |
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| 19:38.25 | petn-randall | ottermaton: nope |
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| 19:38.36 | petn-randall | ottermaton: running wheezy |
| 19:39.04 | ottermaton | yea, me too petn-randall |
| 19:39.04 | MO_Handes | how much it estimately downloads during setup if I want to install Base system+laptop+desktop environment with wheezy 1st cd? |
| 19:39.17 | ottermaton | I wonder what the problem is |
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| 19:40.26 | petn-randall | MO_Handes: depends on how much desktop you want. xfce minimal will probably be ~50MB, whole gnome is maybe a gig or two |
| 19:40.30 | lilibox | does one and only solution is turn off ahci or/and install new experimental kernel? |
| 19:40.33 | amit` | somiaj: Same problem, it wont connect but other computers, devices can connect to the wlan router. |
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| 19:40.37 | petn-randall | MO_Handes: very rough ballpark area |
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| 19:41.02 | petn-randall | lilibox: which debian version are you running? |
| 19:41.10 | MO_Handes | petn-randall, if I have a bad internet connection is it recommended to use 1st dvd then? |
| 19:41.28 | petn-randall | crose: I'm pretty sure it's somewhere on wikipedia, and linked from there. |
| 19:42.03 | amit` | somiaj: I'm on intel 3965abg card with linux driver. |
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| 19:42.43 | petn-randall | MO_Handes: If you're using the same internet connection to download the DVDs, I'd just recommend netinstall. |
| 19:42.44 | lilibox | petn-randall: debina 6.0.7 - 2.6.32-5-amd64 |
| 19:43.12 | petn-randall | lilibox: Debian backports has has 3.2 I think. |
| 19:43.29 | petn-randall | dpkg tell lilibox -about backports |
| 19:43.32 | crose | petn-randall : ok i'm gonna search on wikipedia, thank you again. |
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| 19:43.48 | electrostato | crose: the link: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-faq/ch-ftparchives#s-frozen |
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| 19:44.53 | crose | thank you, i'm reading it. |
| 19:48.38 | petn-randall | Debina, hehe, like it. It's the little sister of Debian. |
| 19:49.13 | TheWarden | does anyone happen to know if there is an noip Dynamic DNS update client package for Debian? |
| 19:49.31 | TheWarden | I haven't found one yet but thought I would ask before manually installing it. |
| 19:49.37 | babilen | dpkg: tell lilibox -about bdo kernel |
| 19:50.21 | babilen | lilibox: You can, however, also upgrade to wheezy at this point by following "/msg dpkg wheezy release notes" and "/msg dpkg squeeze->wheezy" if that is an option for you. |
| 19:50.29 | otters | squeezy |
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| 19:52.57 | lightperson | halli |
| 19:53.12 | lilibox | ok, thank you |
| 19:53.29 | ksuhku | TheWarden, http://packages.debian.org/search?suite=all§ion=all&arch=any&searchon=all&keywords=dynamic+dns |
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| 20:01.42 | MO_Handes | is there anybody to help me with uefi? |
| 20:01.46 | MO_Handes | is there anybody to help me with uefi? |
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| 20:01.56 | MO_Handes | sorry for repeat, mistake |
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| 20:03.00 | acu_ | how can I connect through GUI using ssh from KDE desktop to remote computer? |
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| 20:03.52 | jhutchins_wk | MO_Handes: GIve us specifics. Nobody really knows a LOT about UEFI, but several of us have bits and pieces |
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| 20:05.28 | jhutchins_wk | acu_: ssh is text only, but you can install putty if you want a gui app to manage it. |
| 20:05.40 | MO_Handes | jhutchins_wk, just the partitioning, I want to know how to partition my hard disk during installation, some manual say 200mb for EFI and blah megabytes for root filesystem, some say there must be a 1mb bios partition too, some say the 200mb efi is recognized by the installer, some say I have to set its mount point to /boot/efi |
| 20:06.04 | TheWarden | ksuhku: thanks |
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| 20:07.01 | acu_ | jhutchins_wk, I just want to manage file on remote computer through GUI. Wuold Konqueror do it? |
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| 20:09.36 | jhutchins_wk | acu_: That doesn't often work very well over a remote connection. You can try RDP or VPN. You can do a remote GUI login but it's not very efficient over WAN. |
| 20:09.55 | jhutchins_wk | acu_: The ideal thing is to learn console file management - that's always available and very low bandwidth. |
| 20:10.22 | jhutchins_wk | acu_: Something you might try as a transition is the "mc" program. It's a text based menu-style file manager. |
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| 20:12.40 | jhutchins_wk | MO_Handes: I'd go with the Debian docs on that one. Parted can handle the GPT partition table, or you can create a DOS style partition. |
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| 20:12.54 | jhutchins_wk | MO_Handes: I haven't dealt with EFI for several years. |
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| 20:13.48 | MO_Handes | the problem is there seems to be no docs available :( |
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| 20:15.03 | spldart | I think I have asked before a long time ago but didn't find a resolution. Question is this. Why do file transfers onto memory sticks take excessive times compared to last stable debian or any other file system. I have the problem on 3 different hard-wares. One eee pc. One pentium machine. One amd machine. |
| 20:15.32 | spldart | s/or any other file system/or any other OS |
| 20:15.34 | spldart | sry |
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| 20:17.40 | caf | MO_Handes: you need an EFI system partition if you're going to do an EFI boot with either kind of partition table, and you need a BIOS boot partition iff you're going to do a BIOS boot of a GPT-formatted disk |
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| 20:21.12 | babilen | MO_Handes: The partition layout is quite specific, but you can use automatic partitioning during the wheezy installation. (you can always adjust it to your wishes later once you got the GPT/UEFI layout right) -- I tried to figure it out simply by reading a bunch of documents, but none gave the entire picture. |
| 20:21.19 | babilen | dpkg: tell MO_Handes -about install wheezy |
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| 20:21.44 | babilen | MO_Handes: Unfortunately (?) I am not using UEFI right now so I cannot give you particulars |
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| 20:23.47 | MO_Handes | babilen, does automated partitioning partition the whole free space? or touch other partitions? I don't want my other partitions to be touched |
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| 20:34.00 | no_gravity | Good Evening! Apart from EC2, what are your favorite hosting solutions? |
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| 20:34.44 | Iridos | MO_Handes, try it and see? of course, it doesn't write changes until you say so... I think it takes the whole disk, though... (pretty sure it did so in wheezy) |
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| 20:36.14 | Iridos | well... stuff that runs debian?? |
| 20:36.28 | Iridos | there's a wiki page, use with care |
| 20:36.29 | Iridos | dpkg, hosting |
| 20:36.29 | dpkg | http://wiki.debian.org/DebianHosting |
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| 20:43.59 | jgiorgi | can bash be configured to shorten it's cwd display? i like to know where i am but a 300+ char cwd is annoying |
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| 20:45.02 | Seekanet | 300+ cmd? what are you running? the holy unix bible? |
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| 20:45.47 | jhutchins_wk | jgiorgi: What do you mean by cwd? |
| 20:45.58 | jgiorgi | current working directory |
| 20:46.11 | jhutchins_wk | jgiorgi: As displayed in the prompt? |
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| 20:46.43 | jgiorgi | Seekanet: no it's just the directory tree for some projects can get really deep, ~/Projects/personal/<name>/<domain>/etc/etc/etc |
| 20:46.48 | cafuego | I'm pretty sure you can run a function to generate a modified cwd for the prompt. |
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| 20:47.05 | cafuego | Rather than using \w |
| 20:47.06 | jhutchins_wk | jgiorgi: Do you mean as displayed in the prompt? |
| 20:47.12 | jgiorgi | jhutchins_wk: exactly could it be shortened to less than x chars by config, like ~/.../foo/bar |
| 20:47.20 | jhutchins_wk | jgiorgi: Yes. |
| 20:47.20 | mutante | jgiorgi: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/548 |
| 20:47.23 | jhutchins_wk | jgiorgi: http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Bash-Prompt-HOWTO/ |
| 20:47.43 | jgiorgi | jhutchins_wk: mutante: sweet thanks |
| 20:47.49 | jhutchins_wk | jgiorgi: You can make the prompt sing & dance in color. |
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| 20:48.05 | TheWarden | anyone familiar with using Noip.com client on Debian? I'm trying to setup an init.d script, it starts the client fine but it's not able to stop the client. I noticed that the PID that is record in /var/run/noip2.pid is always on behind from the actually PID. So same for example noip2.pid has 5593 the real PID will be 5594. |
| 20:48.15 | jgiorgi | jhutchins_wk: all a matter of knowing what you're doing lol, i'm great in python, bash config not so much |
| 20:48.36 | jhutchins_wk | TheWarden: Wouldn't you just use the ddns daemon that's within Debian? |
| 20:48.58 | jhutchins_wk | jgiorgi: I couldn't tell you how myself, but I've been through that howto over the years and it's very thorough. |
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| 20:50.23 | TheWarden | jhutchins_wk: ahhh I wasn't aware of one, it will communicate to noip.com? Otherwise if you are referring to dyndns that costs money. |
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| 20:52.28 | petn-randall | TheWarden: There's about a dozen dynamic dns clients Debian. Pick the one you like :) |
| 20:52.33 | TheWarden | this is the init script I'm trying to use for noip client, https://gist.github.com/thewarden/504a644aa89ed6daa365 it seems to not find the running service when trying to stop it from running as I mentioned the PID that is record is not correct. |
| 20:52.35 | petn-randall | *in |
| 20:54.38 | TheWarden | petn-randall: oh, well I just went with what I know of and I've liked noip's service in the past. I have no idea which one to go with as I've never heard of any of these let along which service they are connected to. http://packages.debian.org/search?suite=all§ion=all&arch=any&searchon=all&keywords=dynamic+dns |
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| 20:58.12 | Walther | Slightly off the topic here, but I take it there are plenty of smart people around here who might have experience with this sorts of stuff. I have rsyslog dumping logs to a postgresql database - what would be a good thing for a web client to view those logs and perhaps draw some nice graphs? |
| 20:58.29 | Walther | Adiscon LogAnalyzer works, but it could be better |
| 20:58.42 | petn-randall | TheWarden: the description mostly explain which services they support. Most of them support several. |
| 20:59.10 | ompaul | Walther: or you could do the maths yourself and use gnuploty |
| 20:59.28 | ompaul | Walther: maybe even the correctly gnuplot |
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| 21:00.25 | Walther | mmh, that's an option |
| 21:01.06 | Walther | logstash also looks nice but ...uh, java. |
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| 21:02.26 | Walther | erp, s/logstash/elasticsearch/ |
| 21:02.32 | petn-randall | TheWarden: I for example use ddclient. Btw, dyndns is still for free ... |
| 21:03.08 | TheWarden | petn-randall: oh, I didn't see any where stating that anymore. Crap if I knew that I would have used that on the router since it supports it. mmmm |
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| 21:03.38 | TheWarden | petn-randall: where do I go to get the firee one? |
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| 21:05.54 | ChibaPet | So, do other folks occasionally see random cruft left behind after lvremove drops a snapshot? I'm seeing -cow files left behind a decent hunk of the time. |
| 21:06.37 | petn-randall | TheWarden: uhm, good question. I still have a free account, and I'm still using it. But from their website I can't see a way to apply for the free service. |
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| 21:07.05 | petn-randall | ChibaPet: Where do the files show up? |
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| 21:07.20 | petn-randall | ChibaPet: I've been using LVM for quite a while, haven't noticed anything like that yet. |
| 21:07.28 | TheWarden | petn-randall: no I don't think you can, I just created an account now its asking me to pick a plan which all cost money or a 14 day free trial. mmm no go then. |
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| 21:08.06 | ChibaPet | petn-randall: So, I'm seeing, for instance, /dev/mapper/acheron-root-real and /dev/mapper/acheron-rootsnap-cow still there after lvremove successfully removed the snapshot. I also see dmsetup info not showing the snapshot despite those files remaining. |
| 21:08.32 | ChibaPet | So I think it worked, but I think it left cruft for reasons I don't yet understand. |
| 21:08.34 | TheWarden | petn-randall: oh wait a minute, tricky. I think you can continue to be free. Its free by default but suggests you have to pick a plan. I'll dig further but it looks like it can be free. |
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| 21:11.23 | twmb | Where do I download a file that'll allow me to do an alternate install with a seed file? |
| 21:12.53 | ChrisH | ChibaPet: I see this some times on one box, but it does not harm. I run my backup script (which does snapshots) twice a day and it worked allways. |
| 21:13.08 | TheWarden | petn-randall: I can't see to find my hostname or how to setup a hostname... confusing interface. |
| 21:13.28 | ChibaPet | ChrisH: Yeah, I just tested it having seen it live again just now, and it doesn't inhibit a subsequent lvcreate, so I'll call it cosmetic and move on. |
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| 21:16.29 | petn-randall | ChibaPet: sounds to me like udev forgets to remove the device file |
| 21:17.13 | petn-randall | TheWarden: sorry, I can't help you with this one. I created the account 10+ years ago, configured my client and haven't touched it since. |
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| 21:18.25 | TheWarden | petn-randall: no problem. I think I figured it out, its free but they want your credit card first and then you can cancel the free trial and be left with one free hostname. |
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| 21:18.42 | ChibaPet | petn-randall: I think you're right, yeah. |
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| 21:24.53 | reavengrey | Ah, ok, multiarch is interesting |
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| 21:29.01 | caf | MO_Handes: If you already have another OS EFI-bootin from that disk, then you'll already have the EFI system partition (it's shared between all OSes installed on the disk) |
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| 21:32.37 | MO_Handes | caf: that means I don't need to create another efi partition for debian? |
| 21:33.37 | caf | right |
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| 21:34.06 | MO_Handes | so I simply create a root filesystem partition and install debian on it? |
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| 21:34.15 | MO_Handes | ok thanks |
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| 21:35.29 | jmd | apt-get dist-upgrade tells me "Couldn't configure pre-depend xml-core for docbook-xml, probably a depdendency cycle." How do I circumvent this? |
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| 21:36.09 | caf | sure, and install grub to the EFI system partition (not sure if it asks you this or just does it) |
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| 21:36.27 | twmb | one final: is there a file that'll allow me to do an alternate install with a seed file? Last time I tried installing from a debian ISO I could not do anything at the boot prompt; all install= stuff ailed |
| 21:36.29 | twmb | failed* |
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| 21:36.49 | ChibaPet | jmd - if it were my box, I'd yank out docbook-xml, do the upgrade, and the install missing bits - and I'm assuming you updated so you have an up to date notion of what packages exist... |
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| 21:37.56 | jmd | ChibaPet. Right and how do I "yank out docbook-xml" ? |
| 21:38.02 | mzetta | why ubuntu is planning a different display server? |
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| 21:38.27 | nkuttler | mzetta: ask #ubuntu |
| 21:38.29 | ompaul | mzetta: this is #debian |
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| 21:38.50 | ChibaPet | jmd: I'd probably apt-get remove docbook-xml, but remember that there could be some deeper weirdness, and be prepared to say "whoops, that removes half my system, perhaps I'll try something else" |
| 21:38.54 | mzetta | ok sorry my fault |
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| 21:39.27 | jmd | ChibaPet, But docbook-xml is not installed. Apt wants to install it. |
| 21:40.03 | ChibaPet | jmd: Alright, in that case I'd go in with aptitude, find it, and tell it not to install it. /docbook-xml _ |
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| 21:40.27 | ChibaPet | Which is to say, slash docbook-xml, and underscore to say "keep purged" |
| 21:40.53 | ChibaPet | start with "aptitude update" to make sure it has an accurate picture of what's available |
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| 21:41.36 | ChibaPet | jmd: although it's conceivable that aptitude will be smarter, allowing you to say "aptitude update ; aptitude full-upgrade" right off the bat and succeed where apt-get is failing. It's possible. |
| 21:42.11 | ChibaPet | jmd: The "update" is big in either case, as it's possible you're asking for something that's no longer there. |
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| 21:45.05 | jmd | The problem with aptitude is, that it is such a horrible thing to use. |
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| 21:46.07 | petn-randall | stares at jmd |
| 21:46.15 | petn-randall | I <3 aptitude |
| 21:46.40 | petn-randall | It IS userfriendly! |
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| 21:47.03 | ChibaPet | jmd: I used to love dselect, and aptitude seems rather frilly and frivolous to me. |
| 21:47.20 | ChibaPet | jmd: More to the point, I don't know how to do what I'm suggesting with apt-get. |
| 21:47.21 | petn-randall | it's just picky about it's friends :) |
| 21:47.22 | jmd | Hmm. This must be a different meaning of the word friendly that I wasn't aware of. |
| 21:47.41 | ChibaPet | jmd: Let's go with "pretty convenient most of the time". |
| 21:47.51 | jmd | For example how does one access the menus? |
| 21:47.57 | ChibaPet | There are menus? |
| 21:48.02 | petn-randall | jmd: ctrl + t |
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| 21:48.52 | jmd | And that is supposed to be friendly!!! |
| 21:49.04 | Coweater | jmd: it says it at the top C-T |
| 21:49.40 | jmd | And how does one quit the damn thing? |
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| 21:51.01 | ChibaPet | "q" |
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| 21:52.11 | petn-randall | jmd: also something that's documented in the top-most line ... :) |
| 21:52.34 | petn-randall | jmd: alternative answer: Why quit? It's awesome! |
| 21:52.35 | jmd | Alright. So using aptitude, how does one purge not-install docbook-xml |
| 21:52.46 | ChibaPet | petn-randall: It's kind of obscured by the "?: help" text |
| 21:52.59 | jhutchins_wk | jmd: WHat's horrible about aptitude? aptitude update; aptitude install foo; aptitude upgrade; aptitude purge bar |
| 21:52.59 | ChibaPet | jmd: As noted, slash brings up a box, type in the package name. |
| 21:53.25 | ChibaPet | When the package is highlighted, type "_" just like dselect, as I remember, and maybe say "g" for "go". |
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| 21:53.55 | jmd | and how do I hightlight a package? |
| 21:54.15 | ChibaPet | arrow keys work - j/k ought to work - the mouse might work |
| 21:54.56 | ChibaPet | jmd: And with that, I must wish you a good evening, as it's clearly time for me to go home. :) |
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| 21:55.07 | jmd | So I have to scroll through all 14000 packages till I find it? |
| 21:55.36 | ChibaPet | jmd: No, my text of six or so lines ago gave instruction on that matter. |
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| 21:56.24 | petn-randall | jmd: search with /, or bring up a flat file list and limit the list with l |
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| 22:02.08 | ChibaPet | Ooh, this might be a bug worth reporting. udev is evidently *not* tearing down the devices after setting them up, and repeated often enough, this is causing a situation where lvfoo fails. |
| 22:02.19 | ChibaPet | But, it really is time to go home. |
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| 22:04.19 | TimmyTwoTooth | What is this? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_hjPte3BLVc |
| 22:04.21 | jussx | /quit |
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| 22:15.37 | kalujny | hey guys! can someone ask bot to point me to some basic guide on ip routing ? or point me to an appropriate channel... |
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| 22:16.40 | SmashingX | hi guys, I was wondering how can I check my filesystem on the disk that I'm using now? |
| 22:17.09 | kalujny | SmashingX you cant fsck a mounted partition |
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| 22:17.23 | SmashingX | so, how can I check my disk then? |
| 22:17.46 | SmashingX | I mean how can I unmount it? |
| 22:18.01 | kalujny | http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/linux-force-fsck-on-the-next-reboot-or-boot-sequence/ |
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| 22:18.58 | kalujny | assuming you need to check your root partition |
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| 22:22.19 | SmashingX | Ok I did it now |
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| 22:22.53 | SmashingX | I don know if that would fix the problem that I had that when I suspend the computer and then I turn it back on it wouldn't do anything |
| 22:23.19 | SmashingX | but is there any recommendation in what can I do to see what's the problem_ |
| 22:23.35 | kalujny | probably unrelated |
| 22:23.56 | SmashingX | any sugestions? |
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| 22:25.28 | kalujny | well.. does it happen everytime? |
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| 22:45.21 | kalujny | so can anyone direct me to a good explanation of ip routing please? |
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| 22:50.18 | epsilon | just static routing? |
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| 22:52.01 | nevyn | kalujny: how far down the rabbit hole do you want to go? |
| 22:52.20 | kalujny | not too far |
| 22:52.29 | kalujny | yes, just static routing for starters |
| 22:52.41 | epsilon | just RIPping off your mind |
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| 22:53.08 | kalujny | i made few virtual machines and currently failing to get them routing ip correctly :( |
| 22:53.15 | epsilon | route -n, all you need to know for start |
| 22:53.23 | kalujny | right |
| 22:53.50 | kalujny | i must have type that 100 times for past hour and a half |
| 22:53.56 | nevyn | boo.. |
| 22:54.00 | nevyn | ip route show |
| 22:54.02 | epsilon | watch -n 1 route -n |
| 22:54.16 | petn-randall | kalujny: http://www.lartc.org/ |
| 22:54.56 | kalujny | i just need static routing |
| 22:55.00 | petn-randall | kalujny: page looks a little crappy, but don't blinded by it. It's the definite guide to everything related to routing and xtables. |
| 22:55.36 | petn-randall | kalujny: Well, you won't get static routing to work without having a little background on it. |
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| 22:57.02 | xsappyx | kalujny: describing your problem might be a better angle to figure out a fix |
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| 22:57.49 | kalujny | alright, i`ll describe my setup |
| 22:57.54 | kalujny | hopefully wont take too much space |
| 22:57.59 | anoob | After login (gdm3 or lightdm) I get a black screen ... the monitor light keeps blinking and I can't go to any tty ... Any idea? Thanks |
| 22:58.50 | kalujny | i got 2 isolated subnets 192.168.100.0/24 and 192.168.101.0/24 |
| 22:59.17 | kalujny | each subnet has a "gateway" at .1 and a "host" |
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| 23:00.45 | kalujny | gateways have two eth's each and are connected to each other |
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| 23:01.03 | kalujny | using static entries in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 23:02.25 | kalujny | anoob, can you switch to console with ctrl-alt-f1 ? |
| 23:02.37 | anoob | no kalujny, thanks |
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| 23:04.58 | petn-randall | anoob: if you have a different machine it's worth a try to login via ssh and check the logs. |
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| 23:05.26 | petn-randall | anoob: Are you using the nvidia/amd binary drivers? |
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| 23:05.47 | anoob | petn-randall, nouveau |
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| 23:07.00 | kalujny | so, my routeing table on gateway1 looks like this: |
| 23:07.03 | kalujny | http://pastebin.com/RTfPWrDR |
| 23:07.29 | kalujny | i purposedly removed default route to get it out of the way ( i shouldnt need it to route from one subnet to another methinks ) |
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| 23:08.56 | JyZyXEL | what is the script that sets environment variables like HOME and PATH? |
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| 23:11.12 | grothendieck | export |
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| 23:11.22 | JyZyXEL | no i mean the system script that does them |
| 23:12.52 | JyZyXEL | i want to make sure when /etc/rc.local is being executed it has the same environment than a root user would usually have |
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| 23:12.58 | JyZyXEL | that seems to not be the case by default |
| 23:13.00 | grothendieck | JyZyXEL: pretty sure that is implemented by your shell |
| 23:13.10 | grothendieck | so export your path in the rc.local |
| 23:13.12 | grothendieck | to what you want |
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| 23:13.24 | JyZyXEL | im sure there is a script i can source? |
| 23:13.27 | petn-randall | kalujny: ok, so where's the problem? |
| 23:13.33 | JyZyXEL | there is some crap in /etc/skel/.* |
| 23:13.39 | JyZyXEL | are those them? |
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| 23:14.16 | kalujny | the problem is that host1 in subnet1 cant ping host1 in subnet2 |
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| 23:14.24 | JyZyXEL | or maybe if i do: su -c bash |
| 23:14.35 | grothendieck | JyZyXEL: yah, experiment with that if you want |
| 23:14.40 | grothendieck | not sure exactly what will happen |
| 23:14.48 | grothendieck | or more importantly what the security implications would be |
| 23:14.56 | grothendieck | but I imagine you are on the right track |
| 23:14.59 | JyZyXEL | its a single user system anyways |
| 23:15.01 | kalujny | traceroute gives me * after first hop |
| 23:15.05 | grothendieck | you will run into this problem with crons as well |
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| 23:15.15 | anoob | petn-randall, kalujny: http://pastebin.com/zx52CswP |
| 23:15.17 | grothendieck | since they do not run in the full environment user would have |
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| 23:16.01 | JyZyXEL | i have bunch of startup command in rc.local and some of them won't run because the envirnment is not what it is when the system is fully booted u_u |
| 23:16.18 | petn-randall | kalujny: have you set up IP forwarding? |
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| 23:16.56 | petn-randall | kalujny: what are the routes on the guest machines? Do you even see that packages arriving on the host machine? |
| 23:17.24 | petn-randall | anoob: if you stop gdm/lightdm, is your screen ok again? |
| 23:17.25 | kalujny | no, kernels are not set up for ip forwarding |
| 23:17.27 | kalujny | omg |
| 23:17.49 | nevyn | not kernels... |
| 23:17.49 | nevyn | kernel |
| 23:17.54 | kalujny | i have 2 gateways |
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| 23:18.09 | petn-randall | kalujny: which should both be the host machine ... |
| 23:18.14 | JyZyXEL | im gonna put command: env > /root/startenv.log in the rc.local :I |
| 23:18.42 | petn-randall | JyZyXEL: your root env will be drastically different from you user env. |
| 23:18.43 | anoob | petn-randall, i can'tstop it... total freeze |
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| 23:19.06 | JyZyXEL | petn-randall: i just want the root env in rc.local to be the same as it is when the machine is all booted up |
| 23:19.07 | kalujny | i think i did not enable IP forwarding on gateways.... |
| 23:19.12 | petn-randall | anoob: more interesting would be your /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 23:19.15 | phy1729 | kalujny: you set the proper syscyl right? |
| 23:19.20 | JyZyXEL | so commands in my rc.local will work |
| 23:19.33 | phy1729 | sysctl* |
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| 23:20.18 | kalujny | lol i`m such a noob :D |
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| 23:20.38 | petn-randall | kalujny: glad you started reading lartc 101 :) |
| 23:21.00 | anoob | it is the Xorg.0.log petn-randall |
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| 23:21.59 | petn-randall | anoob: oh, sorry, must have opened a wrong paste before. |
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| 23:22.11 | anoob | it's not a problem petn-randall |
| 23:22.29 | jhutchins_wk | JyZyXEL: What you should be doing for scripts is specifying any variables they care about and using full paths for any commands or I/O files. |
| 23:23.12 | jhutchins_wk | JyZyXEL: Blindly copying the interactive environment is not right. A script is not an interactive environment. |
| 23:23.31 | abrotman | well, it could be |
| 23:23.39 | petn-randall | kalujny: regarding iproute2: It's the standard routing tool on linux machines. |
| 23:23.45 | jhutchins_wk | JyZyXEL: Take a look at the scripts on your system that come from Debian packages, see how they do things. |
| 23:23.56 | jhutchins_wk | abrotman: Conceeded, but not relevant here. |
| 23:24.18 | abrotman | /etc/init.d/skeleton |
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| 23:25.58 | jhutchins_wk | A bit complex perhaps, but yes. |
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| 23:27.11 | kalujny | petn-randall: so i`m not supposed to be using route anymore? |
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| 23:27.58 | jhutchins_wk | kalujny: I think route is set up on most systems to still perform the same. |
| 23:28.08 | petn-randall | kalujny: ifconfig/route will still work for a long time. But 'ip address'/'ip route' are more flexible, newer replacements. |
| 23:28.28 | jhutchins_wk | kalujny: Are the asterisks from devices you don't control? It probably just means they're not responding fully. |
| 23:28.59 | kalujny | i need to enable routing and check again :))) i`ll report back |
| 23:29.02 | kalujny | thanks a lot! |
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| 23:30.37 | jhutchins_wk | JyZyXEL: you might want to do env | less and look through all the stuff that's set for a console session, especially in xterm. 99% of your startup commands won't need any of that. |
| 23:30.48 | JyZyXEL | jhutchins_wk: i added HOME='/root' that alone might solve everything |
| 23:31.13 | jhutchins_wk | JyZyXEL: Probably not. What specific problem are you having? |
| 23:31.45 | petn-randall | kalujny: further debugging would be to add iptables rules to check where the packages get dropped. Then it would come in handy to know something about xtables and tcpdump/tshark. |
| 23:31.47 | JyZyXEL | some daemon was complaining it couldn't find ~/.foobar/foobar.conf when run by rc.local |
| 23:31.49 | jhutchins_wk | JyZyXEL: What do you think HOME is used for? |
| 23:32.40 | themill | JyZyXEL: that's a pretty broken daemon :( (or do you need to specify a config file for it on the command line?) |
| 23:33.02 | jhutchins_wk | themill: I think he's just running commands in rc.local |
| 23:33.04 | JyZyXEL | themill: if left unspecified it should try look for it from the users home directory |
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| 23:33.19 | themill | JyZyXEL: there is no "user" running rc.local |
| 23:33.37 | JyZyXEL | since root is the user running /etc/rc.local i figured it would autodetect /root/.foobar/foobar.conf |
| 23:33.47 | petn-randall | JyZyXEL: sounds like a great way to shoot yourself in the foot. You shouldn't rely on interpolated values like that. |
| 23:33.52 | jhutchins_wk | JyZyXEL: HOME is used for things like setting the prompt, defining the ~ variable, and determining where "cd" by itself will change to. |
| 23:33.53 | themill | system-wide config files shouldn't be in /root |
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| 23:34.50 | jhutchins_wk | Mmmph. Lag. |
| 23:35.14 | jhutchins_wk | JyZyXEL: This would be easier for us to help you with if you told us the actual program instead of "foobar". |
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| 23:35.35 | JyZyXEL | its called litecoind |
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| 23:35.58 | JyZyXEL | built it from git so it doesn't come with the whole /etc/init.d/ stuff |
| 23:36.46 | JyZyXEL | it probably shouldn't even be running as root... |
| 23:36.53 | jhutchins_wk | JyZyXEL: Well, they would supply that if it were meant to run that way. |
| 23:36.58 | jhutchins_wk | JyZyXEL: Good call! |
| 23:37.23 | jhutchins_wk | JyZyXEL: It's also probably meant to run under the GUI - you can make it a start-up application for a user and auto log that user in. |
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| 23:37.42 | JyZyXEL | im running it with -daemon |
| 23:37.51 | jhutchins_wk | JyZyXEL: You can still run it as a user. |
| 23:38.16 | jhutchins_wk | JyZyXEL: Probably should, as you say. Don't want it writing things to the system as root. |
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| 23:40.34 | petn-randall | JyZyXEL: create a separate user for litecoind, and write a short init script to start it. It should then drop user privileges. |
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| 23:40.58 | JyZyXEL | maybe i should make a user called litecoin and put the configuration file in /home/litecoin/.litecoin/litecoin.conf |
| 23:41.56 | JyZyXEL | then from /etc/rc.local i could do: su -c '/usr/bin/litecoind -c /home/litecoin/.litecoin/litecoin.conf' litecoin |
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| 23:42.11 | themill | starting from an @reboot cron job as that user can be the simplest if you don't need to gracefully shut it down at the end |
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| 23:43.55 | anoob | petn-randall, kalujny... messages: http://pastebin.com/rJuNRc1C , syslog: http://pastebin.com/VzA5ZjSw |
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| 23:46.02 | petn-randall | JyZyXEL: defintely do that. The last thing you want is it running as root. |
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| 23:47.57 | Marghitos | hello, i'd like to test debian 7 on my lenovo ( core i3, hd2000 ). Is anybody already trying debian 7 on a similar configuration? I am not sure if core i3 is well supported with this kernel ( ASPM power problems ) |
| 23:48.36 | ManoftheSea | Marghitos: I use Wheezy on a 2nd Gen core i7. ASPM? |
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| 23:49.21 | ManoftheSea | Dear LazyWeb: Is there any simple way to get an up-to-date Gnome-Shell on Wheezy? Will there be, when Wheezy is released? |
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| 23:49.55 | Marghitos | Active State Power Management, there were problems after 2.6.38 regarding this subsystem. The kernel was not able to scale down the CPU..the situation should be fixed in the latest. Not sure about 3.2 |
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| 23:51.32 | Marghitos | if your temperature and battery life are good, the ASPM problem should not be present |
| 23:52.16 | petn-randall | Marghitos: wheezy comes with 3.2, with the option to install 3.8 from experimental. That won't be a problem :) |
| 23:52.30 | Marghitos | mmh, that's good |
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| 23:53.07 | Marghitos | i'll try tomorrow..another question. i have 4 gb of ram. I'd like to mount tmp to ram. Can 1 gb be enough? |
| 23:53.39 | petn-randall | Marghitos: Why would you want to do that? |
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| 23:54.10 | Marghitos | to improve performance, and use less hdd. It's a 5400 rpm on laptop. Not so fast |
| 23:54.23 | petn-randall | Marghitos: don't try to be smarter than the kernels block caching layer |
| 23:54.32 | Marghitos | ahahahah |
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| 23:55.08 | Marghitos | okay..and i'd like to use KDE. can the KDE iso install the system? |
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| 23:57.02 | themill | Marghitos: yes, or you can install it with any installer with the "alternate desktop" or after install with aptitude. |
| 23:57.05 | themill | dpkg: tell Marghitos about install kde |
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| 23:57.43 | Marghitos | super. Thanks. tomorrow i'll install debian |
| 23:57.46 | kalujny | anoob: hard to say why you hang. |
| 23:57.52 | nixbag | after passing the 'text' kernel parameter during boot, is there any way to start the display manager without a reboot? |
| 23:57.55 | anoob | oh |
| 23:58.07 | kalujny | anoob: all i noticed is "/usr/bin/pulseaudio) owned by '1000' high priority at nice level -11." is in log everytime before you hang |
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| 23:58.47 | anoob | i'll try to kill it before login (if its possible ...) |
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| 23:59.25 | petn-randall | anoob: I don't think it's necessary the cause of the problem. |
