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| 00:00.53 | petn-randall | anoob: if you get stuck debugging it, it might be an option to ask a fellow linux expert to debug it. It's a lot easier to find the cause when you have direct access to the machine. |
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| 00:03.30 | PigDude | how do i run aptitude automated? |
| 00:03.35 | PigDude | non-interactively? |
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| 00:05.38 | Nik05 | PigDude you want apt to update on a regular bases? |
| 00:05.56 | mutante | # export DEBIAN_FRONTEND=noninteractive |
| 00:05.57 | mutante | # apt-get -q -y install ... |
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| 00:06.12 | Nik05 | :P |
| 00:06.31 | Nik05 | there is probabably a apt package that updates for you |
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| 00:07.39 | PigDude | Nik05, no, i am doing it in a shell script that runs when my server gets created |
| 00:07.53 | PigDude | Nik05, so, aptitude update && aptitude upgrade |
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| 00:08.02 | kalujny | that message is followed by "[pulseaudio] pid.c: Daemon already running." and then the hang |
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| 00:43.07 | nixbag | after passing the 'text' kernel parameter during boot, is there any way to start the display manager without a reboot? |
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| 00:43.33 | abrotman | nixbag: what's your DM? |
| 00:43.38 | nixbag | because trying to enable gdm3 for instance doesn't work due tothat text parameter. |
| 00:43.47 | nixbag | gdm3 |
| 00:43.49 | abrotman | so you can't /etc/init.d/gdm3 start ? |
| 00:44.03 | nixbag | not after specifying the text parameter in the bootloader |
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| 00:44.30 | nixbag | i use the text parameter in a live cd to go straight to the shell rather tan load gnome. |
| 00:46.06 | themill | what does the gdm3 init script say when you try to run it? |
| 00:46.23 | themill | wonders if this is live-specific |
| 00:47.00 | nixbag | it says something along the lines of 'warning: text parameter has been set in kernel. failed." |
| 00:47.08 | nixbag | ill boot it up now and see the exact message. |
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| 00:51.51 | nixbag | [warn] Not starting GNOME Display Manager; found 'text' in kernel commandline. ... (warning). |
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| 00:52.04 | nixbag | thats the message i get from 'service gdm3 start' |
| 00:52.54 | nixbag | it could be an intentional behavior from using the text parameter. i was just wondering it if could be reverted without a reboot. |
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| 00:54.08 | themill | nixbag: have a look at the init script -- perhaps pastebin it so we can all see |
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| 00:55.55 | abrotman | themill: http://paste.debian.net/242718/ .. at least, that's what mien is |
| 00:56.23 | themill | check line 69 |
| 00:56.54 | abrotman | i did ... apparently he hasn't |
| 00:56.57 | themill | (which is just silly...) |
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| 00:58.16 | nixbag | ah yes i see it. ill try commenting that out and see what happens. |
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| 01:02.46 | generatoo | Hello folks! I wanted to know if I need a swap file/disk with 8 GB of RAM? |
| 01:02.51 | nixbag | yep that did it. ty abrotman and themill. i should have checked the initscript. |
| 01:03.25 | abrotman | duh |
| 01:03.32 | abrotman | generatoo: only you can know that |
| 01:04.04 | themill | generatoo: "yes" is always the simplest and safest answer to that question. |
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| 01:07.43 | reavengrey | I'm going to get addicted to this gnome 3 de |
| 01:07.52 | reavengrey | I swear |
| 01:08.36 | generatoo | Ok thanks guys |
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| 01:09.50 | dvs | reavengrey: ??? |
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| 01:19.03 | LV-426 | hit by gpg errors installing sid with d-i 7.0 rc1: http://paste.debian.net/242724/ seems like the squeeze & wheezy keys are downloaded while sid is not... |
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| 01:20.36 | LV-426 | the installation process is then somehow stuck thinking sid is being installed, reverting to squeeze does not offer a workaround |
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| 01:25.54 | themill | LV-426: try a mirror other than ftp.us.d.o |
| 01:26.03 | themill | ,bug 703146 |
| 01:26.04 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/703146 in apt (open): «apt: BADSIG AED4B06F473041FA Debian Archive Automatic Signing Key (6.0/squeeze)?»; severity: important; opened: 2013-03-16; last modified: 2013-03-17. |
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| 01:26.26 | themill | (I'm not sure which of these is the problem). Also, directly installing sid is unlikely to work on any given day. |
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| 01:28.00 | testos_ | I have to execute some loop over ssh and I wanted to know how I could execute for example : ssh myserver 'for i in {1..20}; do echo $i;sleep 1;done' without gettting the output from the remote server on my tty ? ( I tried ssh myserver 'for i in {1..20}; do echo $i;sleep 1;done' 2>&1 /dev/null but doesn't work)... ? |
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| 01:29.56 | testos_ | ok I found |
| 01:29.58 | testos_ | bye |
| 01:30.02 | themill | testos_: missing > before /dev/null. You may also want to do the redirection on the server not on the client |
| 01:30.24 | testos_ | ssh myserver 'for i in {1..20}; do echo $i;sleep 1;done ' > /dev/null 2>&1 & :D |
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| 01:35.11 | LV-426 | themill, ok, thanks! |
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| 01:38.01 | nevyn | the output still comes back to the local box consuming 30bytes of traffic + overhead. |
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| 01:40.56 | gargamel | OK, so i just did a apt-get upgrade, got a new kernel, but it didn't let me past the disc encryption password stage, the old kernel did. I looked up american keyboard layout and used the special chars in the positions where they would of otherwise been, and got let in. |
| 01:41.42 | gargamel | So... is this a bug report? |
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| 01:42.52 | abrotman | would smurf a bug report |
| 01:43.09 | gargamel | OK, will do. |
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| 01:54.37 | cirdan | any idea why apt-spy would fail on wheezy with *** stack smashing detected ***: apt-spy terminated? |
| 01:54.53 | cirdan | im not runnint it as root btw |
| 01:55.21 | abrotman | probably not really worth using anyway |
| 01:55.25 | Corey | Never heard of it. |
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| 01:56.07 | homes | cirdan: buffer overflow? |
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| 01:56.44 | homes | cirdan: see what the gcc stack smashing patches do, is probably a apt-spy bug |
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| 01:57.22 | cirdan | it's a nice tool, it measures the bandwith of debian mirrors on your connection and adds the fastest one(s) to apt |
| 01:58.41 | abrotman | cirdan: netselect-apt |
| 01:59.15 | abrotman | cirdan: but in general, not a very useful tool IMO |
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| 01:59.37 | dvs | heh |
| 01:59.50 | cirdan | eh apt-spy has been around a long time |
| 02:00.05 | homes | is there some obvious place i'm issing for debian-live wheezy usb image? |
| 02:00.23 | abrotman | cirdan: doesn't make it useful |
| 02:00.25 | abrotman | homes: live.debian.net ? |
| 02:00.44 | homes | ! genius |
| 02:00.44 | dpkg | methinks genius is at http://www.5z.com/jirka/linux.html#genius (An arbitrary precision integer and multiple precision floatingpoint calculator) or something a guy named Cicero wrote about saying "Careful attention to small detail often proves superior to genius." |
| 02:00.58 | SaMOOrai | hello all |
| 02:01.07 | SaMOOrai | can anyone help me with an XBMC issue |
| 02:01.16 | SaMOOrai | please |
| 02:01.42 | abrotman | there is a #xbmc channel |
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| 02:01.53 | SaMOOrai | oh , well thanks |
| 02:02.20 | SaMOOrai | didnt expect there to be one just for that.. but thanks |
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| 02:17.43 | belak | How can I create a bootable USB for a squeeze netinstall iso? |
| 02:18.18 | dvs | belak: cat debian.iso > /dev/sdX |
| 02:18.31 | dvs | where X is the drive letter of the USB drive. |
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| 02:20.31 | linux392 | i am running debian lxde on an arm machine; does anyone know how to successfully start x11vnc when the computer starts? i tried /etc/rc.local without success; the program starts fine in terminal; thanks in advance |
| 02:21.48 | gargamel | android? |
| 02:22.07 | linux392 | gargame1: no raspberry pi |
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| 02:23.44 | zykotick9 | linux392: is it debina-proper, or raspbian? for the later, see "/msg dpkg raspbian" |
| 02:23.58 | linux392 | raspbian, but it feels debian |
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| 02:25.28 | abrotman | linux392: they have a rasbpian support channel |
| 02:25.40 | linux392 | ok i'll chk it out |
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| 02:25.57 | mmnicolas | what is a popular web-based file transfer utility I can implement with debian ? is there such a thing ? |
| 02:27.17 | zykotick9 | mmnicolas: <webdav> perhaps? |
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| 02:33.08 | mmnicolas | kinda hoped for a more modern alternative but I'll give it a try |
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| 02:36.37 | somiaj | mmnicolas: any reason it has to be web based? |
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| 02:37.47 | mmnicolas | somiaj: not to depend on anything else than a browser to upload files |
| 02:38.36 | mmnicolas | securely if possible |
| 02:39.36 | somiaj | mmnicolas: I wouldn't trust such a thing, but any web filemanager is probabaly gonna be based off php, python, or something of that nature. In that case you really don't need it provided by a debian package, just mearly able to run on the version of php,python,etc in debian |
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| 02:40.39 | mmnicolas | yes, but if there was one already packaged I'd choose this one |
| 02:40.53 | somiaj | yea, just giving ya something to look around for. |
| 02:40.54 | abrotman | fix ajaxterm :) |
| 02:42.15 | mmnicolas | extplorer maybe ? that looks nice |
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| 03:32.06 | JNSamuel | exit |
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| 03:37.02 | blommer | based on this news release: http://www.debian.org/News/2013/20130301, can I slightly modify the http://www.debian.org/logos/openlogo-100.jpg logo (move the "debian" wording to the left of the logo) to use on merchandise (CD prints, t-shirts, etc)? |
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| 03:52.37 | themill | blommer: there are two things here -- the use of the trademark and the use of the logo. The logo is LGPL3 etc as per the logos page (and you'd want the SVG version not a JPG!) and you would be free to make any modification of that you like according to that licence. The trademark is another matter -- the trademark policy is linked to from that news release and covers that part. |
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| 03:55.11 | blommer | will definitely use SVG, and will send an email to trademark@debian.org just to be safe |
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| 04:01.29 | john_rambo | I just tried to install adblock plus in icewasel but it says its not compatible |
| 04:02.26 | rww | install xul-ext-adblock-plus from the repository instead of getting it from the internet |
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| 04:04.28 | john_rambo | rww, I installed xul-ext-adblock-plus from the repos but its not appearing in iceweasel |
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| 04:04.53 | rww | did you close and re-open iceweasel after doing that? |
| 04:04.59 | john_rambo | yes |
| 04:05.12 | themill | john_rambo: wheezy? squeeze? |
| 04:05.22 | john_rambo | aqueexe |
| 04:05.28 | john_rambo | squeeze |
| 04:06.03 | themill | john_rambo: you may want to look at iceweasel from mozilla.debian.net or from backports.debian.org (/msg dpkg iceweasel backports) to get a newer iceweasel with better compatibility with new addons etc. |
| 04:06.28 | rww | odd. the repository copy of iceweasel and xul-ext-adblock-plus work fine together for me. |
| 04:06.47 | rww | (on squeeze) |
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| 04:08.34 | john_rambo | rww, WHich version of iceweasel are u running ? |
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| 04:10.14 | rww | It's on another computer, but whatever's in the squeeze repo. |
| 04:10.23 | rww | 3.5.16, by the look of it |
| 04:10.29 | LtL | john_rambo: adblock works nicely on the 'release' version of iceweasel at mozilla.debian.net v19.0.1 |
| 04:10.38 | john_rambo | same here |
| 04:11.03 | john_rambo | LtL, Trying it now |
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| 04:11.17 | LtL | john_rambo: choose release ver. |
| 04:13.06 | john_rambo | LtL, Will this compromise stability ? |
| 04:13.38 | LtL | john_rambo: negative, no it won't. |
| 04:13.46 | themill | john_rambo: you have a newer iceweasel that fixes some bugs and no doubt introduces others. (personally, I find the one from backports to be better than the one in squeeze) |
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| 04:14.17 | john_rambo | LtL, themill Okay |
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| 04:25.29 | john_rambo | LtL, themill http://pastebin.com/SeTKPSgF It wont install |
| 04:25.55 | themill | john_rambo: you shouldn't be trying to dist-upgrade here. What's the output of "apt-cache policy iceweasel" |
| 04:26.11 | dravonn | is there a way to convert a .jpg of a text page to doc? |
| 04:26.14 | LtL | john_rambo: you didn't follow the instructions on the mozilla.debian.net page. |
| 04:27.02 | LtL | john_rambo: also, yoi |
| 04:27.10 | john_rambo | themill, http://pastebin.com/PTg44wM6 |
| 04:27.28 | LtL | john_rambo: also, you need to install the key iirc |
| 04:27.33 | john_rambo | LtL, I added the the repos to apt & installed the keyring |
| 04:28.13 | LtL | john_rambo: apt-get install -t squeeze-backports iceweasel |
| 04:28.24 | susi | stupid question but why does debian use 'apache2' rather than httpd (or vice versa I suppose) |
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| 04:29.00 | themill | susi: the apache project seems unable to realise that there is more than one httpd out there (debian has several) |
| 04:29.23 | susi | themill thanks that makes sense |
| 04:29.31 | john_rambo | LtL, Installing ...... In future will it install updates from backports or do I ahve to install it manually ? |
| 04:30.10 | LtL | john_rambo: it updates itself for me, along with regular packages. |
| 04:30.13 | themill | susi: now that the apache software foundation makes lots of different things, it would be better to call it "apache httpd"... generic names FTL. |
| 04:30.24 | john_rambo | LtL, Okay |
| 04:32.45 | susi | themill apache2 seems clear enough, i didn't consider other httpd's - though the NCSA folks were probably the oldest 'httpd' out there, so they do have some claiming rights |
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| 04:33.30 | nevyn | it's all about umm what's the new black in httpd's umm.. |
| 04:33.51 | Guest48443 | Anyone here with an Epson TX320F All-In-One printer? If yes, how could you make the scanner function to work? |
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| 05:04.28 | MACscr | are debian systems able to be upgraded easily between major versions? just want to make sure its not like CentOS where you get screwed between 5 and 6, etc |
| 05:05.17 | caf | yes |
| 05:06.05 | caf | the release notes for each major version include upgrading instructions |
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| 05:07.56 | MACscr | cool. Thanks |
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| 05:42.20 | Yoshi1 | has anyone gotten the steam deb to actually install on debian? |
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| 05:42.33 | Yoshi1 | dpkg steam |
| 05:42.34 | dpkg | Steam is a proprietary content delivery and management application for PC software with (Ubuntu) Linux support; it is not supported in #debian but in #steamlug on <freenode>. It might work in a multiarched version of Debian (Wheezy or later), with some dependencies satisfied from experimental for the time being. An installer for Debian systems was previously considered (bug #701157). |
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| 05:43.55 | Guest48443 | dpkg iscan |
| 05:43.55 | dpkg | no idea, Guest48443 |
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| 05:45.51 | amit` | An offtopic question, how do I deal with somebody hacking my email? some police officer is involved in this. |
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| 05:52.38 | rryoumaa | Yoshi1: is the source available? |
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| 05:53.39 | Yoshi1 | rryoumaa: huh? well if you go to the steam install page you get this deb |
| 05:53.48 | Yoshi1 | but apparently it needs an updated libc |
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| 06:25.15 | MO_Handes | is there any mirror for this file? http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/wheezy_di_rc1/amd64/iso-dvd/debian-wheezy-DI-rc1-amd64-DVD-1.iso |
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| 06:38.05 | MO_Handes | is there anyway I can find what file in an iso I am missing? |
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| 06:38.34 | homes | you have an iso missing a file? |
| 06:38.52 | homes | that would be a weird and unlikely sort of corruption |
| 06:39.23 | Odaelak | Chances are you've not downloaded a complete .ISO of what you're looking for. |
| 06:41.08 | MO_Handes | I miss <10 megabytes of a 3.8gb debian image and I don't want to download it again |
| 06:41.16 | homes | you don't have to |
| 06:41.22 | homes | what 10mb are you missing? |
| 06:41.37 | Odaelak | Was this through a torrent? |
| 06:43.12 | homes | bleh @ live.debian.net going flaky when DL is 98% complete :( |
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| 06:44.19 | MO_Handes | no, direct link, there are not torrents available for Wheezy |
| 06:44.40 | MO_Handes | downloaded it with iceweasel>downthemall |
| 06:44.51 | homes | can't wget --continue it? |
| 06:45.02 | homes | presuming you lost the end |
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| 06:45.55 | MO_Handes | no, it's not the end, downthemall shows that there are 10 partition and I'm losing some parts in the middle of file |
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| 06:46.29 | yeehi | In Debian (and Ubuntu/Trisquel) the manual options available during installation vary. I want to be able to select "choose physical volume for encryption". Which is the package that provides this sort of option during installation? (I don't get this option on Trisquel - a debian/ubuntu based distro) |
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| 06:47.14 | homes | yeehi: i use expert mode, and get that functionality, not sure if you need expert mode |
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| 06:47.49 | yeehi | thanks, homes. I am using Trisquel - there is no expert mode. |
| 06:48.23 | Odaelak | @M0_Handles Chances are, the only option will be to redownload it. |
| 06:48.29 | homes | if you were especially skilled you could do a debootstrap install and setup encryption manually |
| 06:48.44 | themill | ask #trisquel? |
| 06:49.03 | yeehi | i have never tried that before, homess, thanks for the idea |
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| 06:49.40 | homes | you'll need to know a thing or two about about initrd me thinks |
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| 06:49.58 | yeehi | i have asked at trisquel a couple of times themill - they are great people but i didn't get an answer. The main developer knows now, anyway |
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| 06:52.59 | hendry | i have a dir I rsync to, which takes the perms of my user. I want it to get the 'www-data' perms of the folder it's being transferred to. what should i be looking at? |
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| 06:56.50 | hendry | finds http://superuser.com/a/151920 |
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| 07:26.37 | LinaSovereign | Hey ! |
| 07:28.44 | SwartzU | lina?? ;) |
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| 08:04.45 | Jimmothy | good morning. i have squeeze installed with xfce and i replaced wicd with networkmanager-gnome. i installed the correct firmware for my wifi and it refuses to rememeber it. |
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| 08:06.23 | Jimmothy | i dont think it's loading the b43 module on boot |
| 08:07.07 | ParkerR | Jimmothy, What is it refusing to remember? |
| 08:07.21 | Jimmothy | that wifi is setup and working |
| 08:07.47 | Jimmothy | i ran dpkg-reconfigure and modprobe -r b43 and modprobe b43 and network manager then has access to wifi |
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| 08:08.18 | ParkerR | Jimmothy, Add b43 to /etc/modules |
| 08:08.25 | ParkerR | It will then load at boot |
| 08:08.32 | Jimmothy | yes i was just looking on the wiki |
| 08:09.03 | Jimmothy | reboot and test time |
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| 08:14.31 | rossrossau | hi all |
| 08:14.31 | rossrossau | Anyone here work in very demanding IT Support Roles? I'm always swamped with requests, working on projects, tasks in my inbox, people that walk up to me with their issues, issues in our incident management system, and the work is endless - let alone trying to do my own things i.e. more training, etc!! There seems to never be time for my personal development, yet I'm working on things that don't |
| 08:14.32 | rossrossau | seem that important in the grand scheme of things. How do you all handle your workload in these roles? My head is all over the place. |
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| 08:18.27 | qdb | hello. suspend do not work. debian squeeze gnome |
| 08:18.43 | qdb | pm-suspend also do not work |
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| 08:19.08 | qdb | nothing in messages, syslog, dmesg |
| 08:19.27 | qdb | , kern.log |
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| 08:19.44 | jchvvs | morning |
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| 08:28.40 | Konomi | qdb: /usr/bin/pm-is-supported --suspend && echo $? |
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| 08:28.50 | Konomi | and /usr/bin/pm-is-supported --hibernate && echo $? |
| 08:29.03 | Konomi | if you don't see a 0 pm-utils can't find a way to do either |
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| 08:30.12 | qdb | Konomi, no answer |
| 08:30.13 | Konomi | you can also check upower: upower -d | grep 'can-' |
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| 08:30.42 | qdb | yes i do not see 0 |
| 08:31.00 | qdb | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:33.01 | Konomi | not sure where to go from there maybe try these pages: http://wiki.debian.org/Hibernation and http://wiki.debian.org/Suspend |
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| 08:36.40 | Jimmothy | loading the module was the answer |
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| 09:03.38 | qdb | Konomi, http://wiki.debian.org/Suspend ... Debian Squeeze (6.0) TBD Debian Lenny (5.0) ... |
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| 09:05.28 | local | hey there. Which email can you guys suggest to use for a Linux desktop environment like Debian ? |
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| 09:05.35 | local | email client |
| 09:06.30 | themill | icedove, evolution, kmail and claws would be the most popular |
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| 09:10.19 | local | what about zimbra themill? is it better/worse than evolution in exampleß |
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| 09:10.34 | local | do they all include email function, but as well calendar and contact management? |
| 09:10.39 | local | and organzier? |
| 09:10.55 | local | i would like to have everything in one product, as Outlook or Lotus Notes is |
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| 09:12.07 | themill | you'll have to try them and see. "kontact" rather than "kmail" is the suite. |
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| 09:13.03 | SwartzU | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6zsc7kth44c |
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| 09:13.22 | SwartzU | (rms knows the 'diff' there) |
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| 09:14.19 | SwartzU | debian should be taken to the next Citizen level |
| 09:14.45 | themill | SwartzU: wrong channel? |
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| 09:14.48 | SwartzU | we |
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| 09:15.02 | SwartzU | 'll not go thAre directly themill |
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| 09:15.12 | SwartzU | but we'll get thAre |
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| 09:15.40 | SwartzU | iff debian is connected to rms @all |
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| 09:19.59 | vehicle | Just a quick question - I ran into some repository issue earlier and a package appeared to be unsigned, later on it installed without a hitch. Is there any method to list installed unsigned packages? |
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| 09:29.55 | blackmagic | i've tried using network-manager, manual editing of /etc/network/interfaces, nothing i do gets it working..here is a short output of dmesg: http://paste.debian.net/242783/ |
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| 09:30.08 | blackmagic | its a crappy broadcom wifi.. |
| 09:31.56 | Konomi | reason 3: Deauthenticated because sending station is leaving (or has left) IBSS or ESS. |
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| 09:32.31 | blackmagic | in laymans terms it means? |
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| 09:33.55 | Konomi | from what I understand the wifi card things the wifi station is going offline |
| 09:34.01 | Konomi | thinks* |
| 09:34.45 | Konomi | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wireless_LAN#Basic_service_set |
| 09:34.48 | blackmagic | according to this website, kernel 3.2.0bpo doesnt support it, but 2.6.32 does. |
| 09:34.56 | blackmagic | 14e4:4315yes (2.6.33+)BCM4312b/gLP (r1)wl |
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| 09:35.33 | Konomi | I'm guessing you don't have a different wifi router to try? |
| 09:35.52 | blackmagic | the router is less then 48hrs old. |
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| 09:36.06 | blackmagic | im using it on another laptop as we speak. |
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| 09:36.37 | blackmagic | im wondering, do i have to force G mode on my router? |
| 09:37.00 | Konomi | you could try my thoughts is the access point just doesn't wnat to agree with the card |
| 09:37.11 | Konomi | you can try specifying the bssid in network manager and see if that helps |
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| 09:37.18 | Konomi | it |
| 09:37.27 | Konomi | has helped me with wifi misbehaving before |
| 09:37.39 | blackmagic | http://sosaysharis.wordpress.com/2011/08/14/configuring-wireless-wi-fi-on-debian-squeeze/ |
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| 09:37.44 | blackmagic | is what i have been following. |
| 09:37.53 | Konomi | taking a look |
| 09:38.14 | blackmagic | it discusses my wifi card, and the problems..and his solution. |
| 09:38.15 | alami | hello i want to excute this cmd sudo -u proxy squidGuard -C all, but i don't have sudo ??? |
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| 09:38.53 | blackmagic | alami, apt-get install sudo as root. |
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| 09:39.14 | alami | blackmagic: i don't want to install sudo |
| 09:39.21 | blackmagic | then you cant use sudo. |
| 09:39.25 | alami | blackmagic: i can do it with chown?ß |
| 09:39.29 | blackmagic | yes |
| 09:39.33 | blackmagic | but you must do it as root. |
| 09:39.40 | alami | i'm root |
| 09:39.59 | alami | blackmagic:http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEdu/HowTo/SquidGuard |
| 09:39.59 | blackmagic | why not exec that command as root from here on out since you dont want sudo? |
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| 09:40.15 | alami | blackmagic: iget an error |
| 09:40.22 | blackmagic | what error is that? |
| 09:40.27 | blackmagic | paste.debian.net please |
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| 09:41.40 | alami | blackmagichttp://pastebin.com/7FiTiDvi |
| 09:42.03 | blackmagic | the command proxy doesnt exist. |
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| 09:42.18 | blackmagic | your install is incompleted, or improperly setuup. |
| 09:42.20 | dishaze | yes (1) - output a string repeatedly until killed |
| 09:42.37 | alami | blackmagic: proxy is an user |
| 09:42.37 | blackmagic | incomplete* |
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| 09:42.52 | dishaze | no: nothing appropriate. |
| 09:43.30 | alami | blackmagic: can you read please this perhaps you will better understand that then me it's just one line http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEdu/HowTo/SquidGuard |
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| 09:44.16 | Konomi | alami: try su proxy -c squidGuard -C all |
| 09:44.44 | blackmagic | you cant run it that way, you need su proxy -c 'squidGuard -C all' |
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| 09:45.04 | Konomi | hmm right try that ;p |
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| 09:45.26 | blackmagic | :) |
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| 09:45.34 | blackmagic | i had broadcom nic cards.. |
| 09:45.37 | blackmagic | hate* |
| 09:45.55 | Konomi | I still think it's not getting along with your access point |
| 09:46.07 | alami | blackmagic: you mean like that? su proxy -c 'squidGuard -C all' |
| 09:46.14 | blackmagic | yes. |
| 09:46.16 | Konomi | yes he did |
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| 09:46.49 | blackmagic | if it throws an error, you have to: su proxy /bin/sh -c 'squidGuard -C all' |
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| 09:48.57 | alami | blackmagic: no i didn't get any error, thanks , i hope it works now |
| 09:49.10 | blackmagic | test it to make sure. :) |
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| 09:49.47 | alami | blackmagic: yes i test it but i still can't block any web sites |
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| 09:50.03 | blackmagic | check your configuration. |
| 09:50.32 | blackmagic | yay! |
| 09:50.38 | blackmagic | i got wireless working.. |
| 09:50.43 | Konomi | what was it? |
| 09:50.47 | blackmagic | stupid network managers. |
| 09:50.55 | Konomi | you specified the bssid ;p ? |
| 09:50.57 | blackmagic | where i tried network-manager..causing conflicts. |
| 09:51.15 | blackmagic | nope. apt-get purge network-manager; ifdown wlan2; ifup wlan2 |
| 09:51.23 | blackmagic | DHCPREQUEST on wlan2 to 255.255.255.255 port 67 |
| 09:51.24 | Konomi | hmm oka |
| 09:51.24 | blackmagic | DHCPACK from 192.168.0.1 |
| 09:51.24 | blackmagic | bound to 192.168.0.83 -- renewal in 42170 seconds. |
| 09:51.26 | blackmagic | :) |
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| 09:51.31 | Viking667 | I've been struck by this bug: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=697494 |
| 09:52.47 | ParkerR | Well theres a fix right there |
| 09:52.48 | Viking667 | for summary, if I select touchpad tab, then select "turn off touchpad while typing", then the next time I log into that account, libmouse.so takes a dive, taking gnome-settings-daemon with it. |
| 09:53.06 | Viking667 | uhm... where? I don't see any fix aside from not enabling. |
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| 09:53.33 | blackmagic | brb, gonna test wifi real fast.. :P |
| 09:53.50 | Viking667 | ... which to me, isn't a "fix", more a "don't trigger the bug" |
| 09:54.24 | Konomi | a dirty fix would be to change the value before login then change itbackonce logged in |
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| 09:54.35 | Konomi | via a script or something |
| 09:55.05 | Viking667 | quite right. That's "dirty" |
| 09:55.28 | Viking667 | ... and what's to say that the libmouse.so wouldn't cause more issues? |
| 09:55.38 | Konomi | nothing? |
| 09:55.42 | Viking667 | wonders what else tries to use libmouse.so |
| 09:55.48 | blackmagic | did you backtrace? |
| 09:56.16 | Viking667 | can't, as I haven't managed to follow all of the steps, and someone's already posted a backtrace for their hardware. |
| 09:56.32 | Viking667 | Incidentally, I'm only on wheezy, not on sid. |
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| 09:57.09 | blackmagic | i would backtrace and look for when/where it causes a crash. |
| 09:57.27 | blackmagic | basing your findings off someone elses post, is a bad idea. |
| 09:57.49 | blackmagic | brb. |
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| 09:58.02 | mikelo | hello, i installed debian from a live rescue usb image... in my network settings i have no "mobile broadband" tab |
| 09:58.36 | Viking667 | Well, I know that when I enable that setting, log out, log in, gnome-settings-daemon loads some of the settings, then drops dead, presumably when loading mouse/touchpad settings (which then accesses bad code in libmouse.so) |
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| 09:59.01 | blackmagic | is there a backport for the touchpad drivers? |
| 09:59.03 | mikelo | is this guide ok for expanding an ext4 partition? http://en.positon.org/post/Resize-an-ext3-ext4-partition |
| 09:59.07 | Konomi | mikelo: that generally implies you have no mobile broadband device |
| 09:59.13 | Viking667 | I've no idea, I hadn't thought about that. |
| 09:59.49 | ParkerR | mikelo, Can also be done with gparted |
| 09:59.54 | Viking667 | backports takes stuff from sid, and recompiles it for wheezy (or earlier release), am I right? |
| 10:00.01 | mikelo | Konomi: doesnt show when device is connected... in other pc's i have that tab even when no devices are connected |
| 10:00.21 | Konomi | heh that should'nt happen |
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| 10:00.49 | Konomi | what's the mobile device in question? |
| 10:00.55 | mikelo | ParkerR: should i backup my partition first? does it work for a sda5 partition? |
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| 10:01.12 | Konomi | I'd always backup when messing with your data, not worth the risk |
| 10:01.17 | mikelo | Konomi: a nokia 3g modem |
| 10:01.21 | ParkerR | mikelo, Should work for any partition you want |
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| 10:01.47 | ParkerR | Also it _might_ be missing a tab because the cirrect package to handle modem connection isnt installed |
| 10:01.58 | ParkerR | *correct |
| 10:02.29 | Konomi | yup |
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| 10:02.42 | mikelo | ParkerR: but i have an ntfs partition on this hd too |
| 10:03.03 | mikelo | ParkerR: maybe i should delete that first? |
| 10:03.09 | ParkerR | No |
| 10:03.17 | ParkerR | You shouldnt have to dleete amything |
| 10:03.20 | ParkerR | *delete |
| 10:03.28 | ParkerR | If you are just expanding to fill the space |
| 10:03.57 | mikelo | ParkerR: i want to expand my ext4 on that ntfs partition |
| 10:04.13 | ParkerR | Umm |
| 10:04.24 | Konomi | that was an incorrect statement |
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| 10:04.42 | ParkerR | Konomi, My thoughts exactly |
| 10:04.47 | Konomi | you have an ext4 and ntfs partition on a hard drive |
| 10:04.54 | Konomi | I presume at least |
| 10:04.55 | mikelo | ParkerR: i had a dual boot but i want to switch to single boot |
| 10:05.03 | mikelo | Konomi: that's correct |
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| 10:05.16 | Konomi | that statement makes more sense |
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| 10:06.40 | Konomi | gparted would be the easiest way to go it has a nice gui with a graphical layout of the drive's partitions |
| 10:06.51 | mikelo | Konomi, ParkerR http://pastebin.com/YYfUywbf |
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| 10:07.45 | Konomi | fat16 >.> |
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| 10:08.46 | Konomi | that disk isn't aligned properly either |
| 10:09.20 | Konomi | probably cause you installed something that uses fat16 first and it's put the first sector as 63 when it should be 2048 |
| 10:09.45 | Konomi | I'd still give gparted a try and back up the drive |
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| 10:32.50 | dravonn | failed to execute '/lib/udev/mtp-probe' 'mtp-probe /sys/devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:1d.1/usb3/3-2 3 10': No such file or directory. This causes occasional system to hang. how to fix it? |
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| 10:33.20 | dravonn | the error msg is from syslog |
| 10:33.52 | dravonn | occurs quite frequently. |
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| 10:36.17 | dravonn | anybody's home? |
| 10:36.29 | Konomi | we are |
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| 10:37.40 | dravonn | can you help to fix my problem? |
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| 10:38.12 | Konomi | do you have libmtp-runtime installed? |
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| 10:41.58 | Konomi | if not install it |
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| 10:46.58 | wfq | hi guys |
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| 10:48.07 | wfq | I am running dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config and when finishing I get the following error: awk: close failed on file /dev/stdout (No space left on device). Obviously the file is not written. I have made sure that there is space in /tmp. In fact it is completely empty. |
| 10:48.20 | wfq | any idea where cold this come from please? |
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| 10:51.24 | Sevet | wfq: what does df say, how much space is left on other partitions (/)? |
| 10:52.23 | wfq | Sevet, it is fine. There is space everywhere. The thing is I don't see /dev/stout |
| 10:52.28 | Sevet | i'm also wondering it it's an out of memory error |
| 10:53.10 | wfq | Sevet, hold on a minute. I see this: /dev/sda1 323M 323M 0 100% / |
| 10:53.19 | wfq | but I have no ide what /dev/sda1 is |
| 10:53.33 | Sevet | that's your main partition, and it's full |
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| 10:54.19 | wfq | what? I have a server configuation. I don't have home, var, etc... in one single partition |
| 10:54.20 | Konomi | very full |
| 10:54.27 | Sevet | sda1 is the 1st partition of the 1st hard drive |
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| 10:55.01 | iceisfun | i have a debian with a load average showing : 04:59:27 up 66 days, 20:25, 2 users, load average: 910.18, 945.48, 932.53 |
| 10:55.13 | iceisfun | but I can't see any processes actually taking up any cpu time |
| 10:55.59 | Sevet | wfq: there'll still be other directories on / still, eg /etc. post your df output on paste.debian.net |
| 10:56.34 | Sevet | iceisfun: try running htop and iotop |
| 10:56.38 | et | iceisfun: load on linux does not neccessarily mean processes are hogging cpu, it can also be processes waiting for resources like filesystems |
| 10:56.49 | et | iceisfun: a stale nfs mount can easily lead to high loads |
| 10:57.26 | jelly | iceisfun: check /var/log/kern.log or dmesg, for a start. |
| 10:57.39 | wfq | Sevet, http://paste.debian.net/242793/ |
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| 10:57.51 | iceisfun | sweet ... INFO: task md0_raid5:389 blocked for more than 120 seconds. |
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| 10:58.11 | wfq | it is definitely my main partition is full, but the size of the partition is ridiculous |
| 10:58.26 | Sevet | iceisfun: also check for processes that're constantly forking and dying immediately. top/htop/etc only show a snapshot so could miss that. run ps a few times and see if the pid of ps is growing rapidly. |
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| 10:58.57 | iceisfun | well /proc/mdstat hangs |
| 10:59.27 | Konomi | maybe an fdisk -l /dev/sda will give some more info |
| 10:59.35 | Konomi | unless that partition is supposed to be so small |
| 11:00.14 | iceisfun | fdisk -l hangs |
| 11:00.20 | Konomi | that's not good |
| 11:00.21 | Sevet | wfq: so you still have /etc /bin /sbin /lib /root on /... how large are /etc and /root? perhaps you can reclaim some space there |
| 11:00.30 | iceisfun | works on sda1, hangs on the md array |
| 11:00.54 | iceisfun | and by sda1 i ment sda |
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| 11:01.39 | iceisfun | i was able to lazy unmount but that still has not got me anywhere |
| 11:01.45 | Sevet | iceisfun: 'cat /proc/mdstat', is it repairing? check dmesg for any i/o errors. and use smartctl -a /dev/sdaX to check for errors such as bad sectors. |
| 11:01.50 | Konomi | iceisfun: erm that was for wfq hehe |
| 11:01.57 | iceisfun | cat /proc/mdstat hangs my console |
| 11:02.04 | Sevet | bad blocks could read to long timeouts on disk access |
| 11:02.34 | iceisfun | last i checked /proc/mdstat was yesterday morning and no problems |
| 11:02.48 | iceisfun | so something could have died far as hardware |
| 11:02.49 | bionix | Hello! I'm looking for a parameter for the debian squeeze installer not to take all swap partitions as active swap partitions in his process. Any ideas? |
| 11:03.13 | Sevet | iceisfun: perhaps. if you're getting long i/o times that could increase your loadavg since everything's waiting on the disk. |
| 11:03.26 | iceisfun | if i try to reboot a machine in this state what are the odds of it actually restarting? |
| 11:03.40 | wfq | konomi,Sevet thaks for your help. The problem is definitely that there was no space at all. |
| 11:03.45 | iceisfun | wont it just hang |
| 11:04.13 | Konomi | wfq: fortunatly ext reserves space so your whole system doesn't explode but you get other problems hehe |
| 11:04.38 | wfq | I am not going to touch anything else except deleting a huge amount of junk but I will have to re-dimension the partitions |
| 11:04.50 | wfq | in the future |
| 11:04.56 | wfq | thank you very much again |
| 11:05.04 | Nik05 | welcome in the future |
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| 11:05.39 | Sevet | wfq: for a server this is where lvm is your friend, you can add a new drive and assign more space to / then without a rebuild |
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| 11:08.03 | iceisfun | reboot -f hangs, thats awesome |
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| 11:09.36 | b0lt | iceisfun: it gives processes like 10 minutes to stop |
| 11:09.40 | wfq | Sevet I know. Thanks. |
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| 11:10.03 | b0lt | iceisfun: if you still have a console, check what's hanging :) also it might tell you briefly when the time is up |
| 11:11.06 | potatoe | this is strictly not debian related, but I'm lost so id like to hear some opinions, whenever I access ruTorrent from my browser, rtorrent on my server crashes with "User defined signal 1" |
| 11:11.12 | potatoe | any idea why this is happening? |
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| 11:11.36 | iceisfun | well this forced it to restart ECHO 1 > /proc/sys/kernel/sysrq && ECHO b > /proc/sysrq-trigger |
| 11:11.54 | iceisfun | maybe i wont have to drive to it :P |
| 11:12.01 | b0lt | potatoe: sounds like something is sending it a USR1 signal, which it's probably supposed to do |
| 11:12.31 | b0lt | potatoe: maybe you have different versions, in which one expects to send a USR1 when it connects and the other side is supposed to do something smart when that happens, but doesn't support it and exits |
| 11:12.34 | potatoe | b0lt: yea so submitting a bug report with a stack trace will be useless, but I just cant figure out why something is sending it the signal |
| 11:13.02 | potatoe | I see |
| 11:13.14 | potatoe | is there a way to trace the signal? |
| 11:13.19 | potatoe | x64 debian 6 |
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| 11:13.52 | iceisfun | wont strace find it? |
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| 11:16.30 | potatoe | iceisfun: strace sees the signal but not the origin |
| 11:16.35 | potatoe | am i missing any flags? |
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| 11:21.54 | LV-426 | more trouble with d-i 7.0 rc1... it uses grub 1.99 which reports 'error: unknown LVM metadata header.' when running update-grub, preventing kernel pkg upgrade. grub 2.00-13 runs ok. found this - https://savannah.gnu.org/bugs/?37569 - is there a d-i experimental version based on grub 2.00-x ? |
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| 11:24.57 | b0lt | ,versions grub |
| 11:24.58 | judd | Package: grub on i386 -- lenny: 0.97-47lenny2; squeeze: 0.97-64 |
| 11:25.09 | b0lt | ,versions grub2 |
| 11:25.10 | judd | Package: grub2 on i386 -- lenny: 1.96+20080724-16; lenny-backports: 1.97~beta3-1~bpo50+1; squeeze: 1.98+20100804-14+squeeze1; sid: 1.99-27; wheezy: 1.99-27; experimental: 2.00-13 |
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| 11:25.29 | b0lt | LV-426: yap. pull grub2 from experimental, as I did at the bottom of that bug report you posted :) |
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| 11:28.48 | b0lt | worked for me, anyway |
| 11:28.48 | LV-426 | i did... running a few more tests... |
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| 11:30.08 | LV-426 | b0lt, did you manage kernel pkg upgrades after upgrading grub ? |
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| 11:31.14 | b0lt | LV-426: the machine currently stays up to date with wheezy, so it has been through several revisions of that kernel, at least |
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| 11:48.06 | LV-426 | b0lt, might be worth adding what I'm seeing with grub 2.00.13, os-prober 1.57, lvm over raid - http://paste.debian.net/242802/, leaving the system unbootable |
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| 11:50.57 | no_gravity | Good Morning! Is there a way to permanently add a directory to the $PATH of a specific user? |
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| 11:52.20 | LV-426 | no_gravity, /home/<user>/.bashrc |
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| 11:53.36 | no_gravity | LV-426: that would only apply to bash. that would probably not work if the user is the apache webserver for example. |
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| 11:56.01 | LV-426 | true |
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| 12:00.49 | babilen | LV-426: Can you reproduce that error with grub /not/ from experimental? (i.e. 1.99-27 in sid) -- What else do you have installed from experimental and which version of Debian are you running? |
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| 12:02.32 | babilen | LV-426: Ah, disregard that |
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| 12:08.14 | b0lt | babilen: it's just grub 2.00- to avoid an LVM-related bug |
| 12:08.33 | b0lt | oh. you already realized. nvm |
| 12:08.35 | babilen | b0lt: yes, hence the disregard this |
| 12:08.39 | b0lt | :) |
| 12:08.40 | babilen | hehe |
| 12:08.44 | babilen | Lets go on like this :) |
| 12:08.53 | b0lt | i'm game |
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| 12:09.38 | b0lt | LV-426: yes, I had to use the exact versions I specified at the bottom of the bugreport. different versions of os-prober would screw the entire thing up again |
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| 12:10.39 | b0lt | i think that's what it's still running... i'll check, if i can remote in from here |
| 12:11.32 | b0lt | ah. with a rebuilt LVM, i was able to use os-prober 1.57 |
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| 12:11.51 | b0lt | before, that would produce errors and i was restricted to 1.42 |
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| 12:17.08 | b0lt | LV-426: it's worth mentioning, if you want to go about rebuilding the LVM, that simply removing all LVM setup was not enough. i tried that, and it produced the same errors. i had to actually dd zeroes on the beginning of the drive to resolve it |
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| 12:18.04 | b0lt | not that i think a rebuild is needed, as 1.42 worked just fine. it's just that these sorts of things will get on my nerves and i had to do something |
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| 12:39.14 | canolucas | hi, i'm downloading debian. but can't find what is the right ISO. i want the last stable version. i see there are a lot of debian-6.0.7-i386-CD-*number* ISOS, *number* goes from 1 to 51. shall I choose -51.ISO? |
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| 12:40.30 | b0lt | canolucas: those 51 iso's are every single package that's built for debian |
| 12:40.39 | babilen | canolucas: The decision what to download depends on a number of factors. First and foremost you have to realise that if you have a working internet connection you can install /everything/ with every FOO1 image (e.g. netinstall, CD1, DVD1, ...) -- The entirety of the collection simply contains every single package in Debian |
| 12:40.40 | b0lt | canolucas: you probably just want the netinst |
| 12:41.47 | babilen | canolucas: So, the question is now: Do you have a working internet connection? You should also be aware that we are quite close to releasing a new version (wheezy) of Debian soon (3-8 weeks maybe?) so installing that might also be an option. The viability of that depends on what you plan to use the system for. |
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| 12:43.29 | canolucas | b0lt, babilen, i do, but i can't use the connection right now, but i may update later. the install is for a server, so i just need a stable release that will install without internet. |
| 12:43.29 | babilen | canolucas: The third aspect of this question is the hardware you are installing on. First the hardware needs to be supported by the installer or rather the kernel that comes with the installer. Squeeze ships with a 2.6.32 kernel and you are fine if you hardware is completely supported by that kernel. If you need a newer kernel you can use an installer with a newer kernel (i.e. kmuto installer) ... Another part is the question if your hardware ... |
| 12:43.36 | babilen | ... requires firmware to function. Do you know if it does? |
| 12:43.38 | babilen | ack |
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| 12:44.38 | canolucas | babilen, it is for a virtual machine. i tested 2.6.32 and everything works fine |
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| 12:45.05 | babilen | canolucas: You can use the netinstall image to install the /base/ system, but you probably want to use something like CD1 if you don't install with a working internet connection. Note that installing without a connection will not trigger a number of configuration steps and that you have to do this manually after the installation. (e.g. configure a suitable /etc/apt/sources.list if you want to use online repositories) |
| 12:45.45 | babilen | canolucas: Yeah, I just wanted to provide the full picture as you haven't given us any additional information. |
| 12:46.07 | canolucas | babilen, thanks a lot. |
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| 12:47.25 | babilen | canolucas: It really depends on what you want to install. Packages are distributed on CDs based on their popularity (as mentioned by popcon), which means that you only need the first k images if you only plan to install popular packages. See "/msg dpkg cd content" for detailed information on this topic. It should be noted that CD1 does /not/ contain all packages necessary to install the Desktop task. |
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| 12:48.03 | babilen | canolucas: I would also consider installing wheezy at this point, but you can certainly upgrade to it in some weeks as detailed in the release notes. (/msg dpkg release notes wheezy) |
| 12:48.22 | edakiri | What are options to allow a remote person to view my X Windows, live? AFAIK with VNC, they can not view while I view and control. |
| 12:48.53 | b0lt | edakiri: x11vnc supports view only i think |
| 12:49.03 | LV-426 | babilen, b0lt fell back to stable, grub 1.98 then upgraded, holding grub at that version. I'll update once I get this kernel pkg to boot, thanks. |
| 12:49.42 | babilen | edakiri: VNC is exactly what you are looking for. The actual capabilities depend on the client, but even the "easy" server/client combo of vinagre/vino for Gnome supports that. |
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| 12:50.56 | b0lt | LV-426: no. on the difficult machine, I am currently running grub 2.00-7 and os-prober 1.57. i was only able to do this after rebuilding the lvm (and raid) from scratch. before that, I had to use grub 2.00-7 and os-prober 1.42 to avoid errors |
| 12:51.05 | babilen | edakiri: Do you want both parties to be able to connect/control and view to a remote host? I've only ever used this for connecting to a remote box to show a person sitting in front of that how something is done |
| 12:51.28 | canolucas | babilen, great. as this install is for a server, i think i will wait some time, just in case, as squeeze will work great and it is very stable. but at some point i think the update will be necessary. thanks for the info on /msg dpkg release notes wheezy |
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| 12:51.52 | edakiri | babilen: 1 party view and control local host. other party view remote host simultaneously. |
| 12:51.54 | babilen | LV-426, b0lt: I have not followed your discussion on this topic, but it sounds as if you figured out something that might have to be distilled into a good bug report. |
| 12:51.56 | b0lt | LV-426: ..which reminds me to check what's fixed in the later editions of grub 2.00- and consider upgrading |
| 12:52.13 | b0lt | babilen: it is in one already. and fixed in grub 2.00 :) |
| 12:52.30 | babilen | edakiri: Don't see why it shouldn't be possible, but I haven't used that before. You might want to investigate typical server/client functionality for that. |
| 12:52.38 | b0lt | babilen: unless you end up with a strange combo, the system will boot. it just spews useless errors about aging lvm setups |
| 12:52.41 | babilen | b0lt: ack, simply wanted to mention it |
| 12:53.08 | babilen | canolucas: You are most welcome. Have fun! :) |
| 12:53.08 | b0lt | :/ |
| 12:53.41 | b0lt | just trying to be informative |
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| 12:55.44 | babilen | b0lt: huh? why the sad face? |
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| 12:56.11 | b0lt | babilen: the "ack" :) |
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| 12:57.09 | babilen | b0lt: okay... s/ack/Thank you very much for elaborating on this issue. I now realise that my suggestion to file a bug report was unnecessary and thank you for taking the time to discuss this issue with LV-426./ |
| 12:57.20 | babilen | :-þ |
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| 12:57.22 | b0lt | :D |
| 12:57.33 | b0lt | i mean, s/:\//:D/ |
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| 13:01.50 | tomcat | hey, when i want to install tomcat on a fresh debian installation i get unmet dependencies... Depends: libtomcat6-java (>= 6.0.35-1+squeeze2) but it is not going to be installed. how can i fix that? |
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| 13:03.44 | Haodemon | Anyone know when Wheezy will go onto release? |
| 13:04.03 | Sevet | soon |
| 13:04.05 | debianN00b | I think my Laptop's Fan is noising... |
| 13:04.12 | debianN00b | Sevet, how soon? |
| 13:04.19 | Haodemon | How many bugs left? |
| 13:04.46 | debianN00b | I think there is a known bug for KDE ksnapshot |
| 13:04.52 | debianN00b | on wheezy |
| 13:04.53 | babilen | dpkg: tell tomcat -about bat |
| 13:05.12 | babilen | tomcat: Please provide further information on http://paste.debian.net (as detailed in the message sent to you by our bot) |
| 13:05.31 | abrotman | no one knows for sure when it will be released |
| 13:05.33 | abrotman | not yet anyway |
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| 13:07.27 | babilen | tomcat: Don't forget to include your sources.list :) |
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| 13:10.03 | tomcat | http://paste.debian.net/242819/ |
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| 13:13.49 | babilen | tomcat: You have nothing in your sources.list but security. |
| 13:13.55 | babilen | dpkg: tell tomcat -about make squeeze sources.list |
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| 13:14.28 | babilen | tomcat: You'll end up with something like http://paste.debian.net/242822/ (run "apt-get update" and continue) |
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| 13:17.08 | tomcat | babilen: well, thats quite obvious... but like it said, its a fresh installation. are there default only security-repos? |
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| 13:18.39 | babilen | tomcat: Well, it depends on your configuration. Repositories will also not be configured if you are not connected to the internet during the installation |
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| 13:18.58 | olivier_bK | somebody already have implemented a repository ? |
| 13:19.37 | abrotman | blinks |
| 13:19.40 | b0lt | ... |
| 13:19.59 | b0lt | dpkg, tell olivier_bK about ask |
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| 13:20.44 | tomcat | babilen: okay, maybe this could be reason. i even made a quick look into the sources.list, but didn't recognize the security in the urls. well, now it works of course |
| 13:20.58 | olivier_bK | b0lt, i get a weird error |
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| 13:21.18 | olivier_bK | b0lt, he tell me Error: Cannot retrieve repository metadata (repomd.xml) for repository: cts-local. Please verify its path and try again |
| 13:21.42 | b0lt | olivier_bK: who's "he", and what did you tell him before he said that? |
| 13:21.44 | olivier_bK | b0lt, but the file are here |
| 13:21.58 | olivier_bK | b0lt, he 'Linux' :) |
| 13:22.47 | LV-426 | ok, made it to kernel 3.8 with grub 1.98. I agree a new bug report is unnecessary, I'll try adding my update-grub output to the existing grub bug. d-i 7.0 rc1 does seem to leave you with grub unable to update when using lvm + grup 1.99. using grub 2.00-x may resolve this, couldn't try it within d-i though. |
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| 13:23.53 | olivier_bK | b0lt, i m trying to put a RPM repository on my debian but when i'm going to my centos and try to execute yum update he tell me that error as you can see above |
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| 13:24.54 | olivier_bK | b0lt, as you can i see i have my file repomd.xml ( /data/rpm/centos/6.2/os/x86_64/repodata# ls nodejs-1.1_x86_64.rpm filelists.xml.gz other.xml.gz primary.xml.gz repomd.xml |
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| 13:26.28 | b0lt | olivier_bK: this might be better suited for the centos channel. personally, at least, i have no idea how a centos repository is supposed to look |
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| 13:29.58 | JmZ | for what reason would eth0 vanish? remembering this is a VM on a commercial cloud |
| 13:30.05 | Towzzer | changed mac address? |
| 13:30.13 | olivier_bK | b0lt, thanks |
| 13:30.20 | JmZ | there's no mention of eth0 in dmesg and the entire iface has disappeared |
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| 13:30.27 | Towzzer | it might be eth1 now, check the udev file |
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| 13:30.57 | caraconan | Hi all. After install Debian 6.x with 2xRAID 1 arrays I can see that after first boot is synching one of them: http://paste.debian.net/242826/ Is this expected? |
| 13:31.23 | Towzzer | yes- linux does this |
| 13:31.32 | Towzzer | it doesn't have an initalization phase like hardware raid cards |
| 13:31.58 | Towzzer | so it just treats the raid as degraded after it's first created |
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| 13:32.03 | JmZ | Towzzer: where would i find that? |
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| 13:32.55 | Towzzer | JmZ - dmesg | grep 'eth[0-9]' |
| 13:33.14 | caraconan | <Towzzer> Thanks. |
| 13:33.15 | JmZ | i tried that, there's no mention anywhere in there of it |
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| 13:33.36 | JmZ | yay for clouds making my interfaces disappear |
| 13:33.52 | twanny796 | is there a simple firewall inbuilt in debian? |
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| 13:34.04 | Towzzer | try lshw |
| 13:34.15 | Towzzer | twanny, it's called iptables, it's not that simple but it works |
| 13:34.27 | caraconan | Another thing that is killing me is the "Partition 2 does not start on physical sector boundary." message, due to 4096 bytes/sector. Now I can't remove partition #2 with Gparted live CD, since it tells me that is in use.... Maybe I will wait for the sync process |
| 13:34.35 | b0lt | twanny796: if you want easier control of iptables, try something like shorewall |
| 13:34.54 | caraconan | http://paste.debian.net/242832/ |
| 13:34.57 | b0lt | twanny796: it's a good idea to learn iptables though, as it's pretty much standard on any linux distro |
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| 13:35.10 | Towzzer | caraconan, it must have been mounted , unmount the partition, and use parted |
| 13:35.21 | Towzzer | when you are in parted start the partition at "1" to align it |
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| 13:35.29 | Towzzer | parted will also warn you if the partition is not aligned |
| 13:35.41 | caraconan | So, there's no need to wait for the sync process? |
| 13:35.46 | Towzzer | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:35.50 | Towzzer | that's on a different level |
| 13:35.50 | twanny796 | b0lt, I want something like the windoze xp firewall |
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| 13:36.03 | caraconan | ok, so I will give it a try, thanks |
| 13:36.27 | Towzzer | have a nice day sir |
| 13:36.44 | twanny796 | b0lt, shorewall is for netfilter |
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| 13:38.18 | Towzzer | twanny, is this on a home network? |
| 13:38.27 | b0lt | twanny796: shorewall uses iptables, which in turn uses netfilter |
| 13:38.47 | b0lt | twanny796: apt-cache show shorewall |
| 13:38.58 | caraconan | <Towzzer> http://paste.debian.net/242834/ there's a magic command to align the partition? |
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| 13:39.23 | Towzzer | <PROTECTED> |
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| 13:40.19 | caraconan | The process should be: remove the RAID, then delete partitions, then re-create them and finally create the RAID again. I'm correct? |
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| 13:40.32 | twanny796 | b0lt, I installed shorewall, now how do i configure? |
| 13:40.57 | b0lt | twanny796: if you want a bubbly gui tool, shorewall is not for you. |
| 13:41.17 | b0lt | twanny796: if you want to configure shorewall, the configuration files are in /etc/shorewall, and the decription is in the manual |
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| 13:41.24 | caraconan | <b0lt> ufw is even simpler |
| 13:41.40 | caraconan | Sorry, that was for <twanny796> |
| 13:41.41 | b0lt | i was just making a suggestion :) |
| 13:41.41 | Towzzer | you don't need to touch the raid |
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| 13:42.01 | caraconan | <Towzzer> can I do the same process directly with fdisk ? |
| 13:42.04 | caraconan | I never used parted |
| 13:42.09 | b0lt | looking at the rules shorewall generated was my pathway to understand iptables, so i figure it's a good starting point |
| 13:42.16 | Towzzer | I don't know much about fdisk, it doesn't support GPT |
| 13:42.18 | hendry | How does one restore the file /etc/apache2/mods-available/deflate.conf ? |
| 13:42.22 | Towzzer | I last used fdisk on ms dos 6.22 |
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| 13:42.24 | Towzzer | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:42.28 | caraconan | lol |
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| 13:43.53 | Towzzer | you want one partition? |
| 13:43.59 | twanny796 | b0lt, does it close everything by default? |
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| 13:44.23 | bw_ | hmm, how trusty is dotdeb? .. i'm looking for mysql-5.5 for squeeze but with apt-pinning mysql needs a scary load of deps :/ |
| 13:44.37 | Towzzer | I've used dotdeb often and have no problem but many people here hate it |
| 13:44.46 | Towzzer | and they have one of those bot things that yells at you if you mention it |
| 13:44.52 | Towzzer | !dotdeb |
| 13:44.53 | dpkg | http://dotdeb.org/ is an unofficial package repository with emphasis on the <LAMP> solution stack, unsupported in #debian. To get support, read http://www.dotdeb.org/2012/08/24/how-to-post-useful-bug-reports/ and report any issues to https://github.com/gplessis/dotdeb-php5/issues . Ask me about <dotdeb alternatives>. |
| 13:44.54 | Towzzer | see? |
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| 13:45.15 | b0lt | twanny796: check /etc/shorewall/policy |
| 13:45.29 | b0lt | twanny796: i assume you don't want to close everything, just incoming connections from other hosts |
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| 13:45.43 | JmZ | i used dotdeb until i realised wheezy has the same versions of php |
| 13:46.05 | twanny796 | b0lt, ok I will do some reading ;) |
| 13:46.13 | b0lt | twanny796: awesome. |
| 13:46.37 | deepy | bw_: you should look at moving away from mysql and move to postgresql |
| 13:46.46 | bw_ | deepy: i know i know |
| 13:46.52 | bw_ | $boss and stuff |
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| 13:47.06 | JmZ | deepy: what's the major benefit of doing so? |
| 13:47.08 | deepy | I'm pretty sure Oracle is killing MySQL faster than the previous developers |
| 13:47.16 | JmZ | ah true |
| 13:47.19 | deepy | But I'd say performance and consistency |
| 13:47.36 | AL13N_work | i have a debian6, and dhcp and i need to ignore dns from it, i followed google posts and removed from dhclient.conf but it's still adding those ips |
| 13:47.40 | JmZ | deepy: really? the performance is noticably better? |
| 13:47.59 | JmZ | i figured they'd be almost the same as each other unless under specific circumstances/situations |
| 13:48.03 | bw_ | deepy: i know, i hate mysql as well |
| 13:48.03 | deepy | Nope, but it performs more consistent :-) |
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| 13:48.26 | deepy | No silent truncation in PG |
| 13:48.28 | bw_ | i'm aiming for a transation from mysql to postgresql, but in the meanwhile i need both |
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| 13:48.43 | acidchild | hello, is there a package i need to install to allow wpa2 wireless with the broadcom non-free driver? |
| 13:49.00 | b0lt | AL13N_work: don't follow random crap on google. look at the man page for "supersede" in dhclient |
| 13:49.07 | acidchild | i am using gnome and the network manager. the password is correct and it still fails to connected |
| 13:49.41 | Towzzer | al13n, remove the network-manager |
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| 13:50.37 | JmZ | bleh |
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| 13:51.07 | JmZ | my eth0 seems to have completely vanished ._. its not in modprobe, /sys/class/net, dmesg, etc |
| 13:51.30 | JmZ | i don't really understand what i can possibly do if it doesn't even detect it as existing |
| 13:51.58 | AL13N_work | i ended up redefining the make_resolv_conf function |
| 13:52.00 | AL13N_work | that worked |
| 13:52.00 | Towzzer | check lshw to see if it appears |
| 13:52.15 | JmZ | i don't have lshw and can't exactly install it without a network connection lol |
| 13:52.29 | JmZ | only thing i can think of is they're doing unannounced maintenance |
| 13:52.33 | AL13N_work | imho this is something that's missing from network/interfaces |
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| 13:52.35 | JmZ | and it has messed with my connectivity |
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| 13:56.10 | debianN00b | what is actually saned on debian? |
| 13:56.52 | ksk | "whatis saned" |
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| 13:57.48 | debianN00b | ksk, on /etc/init.d/ |
| 13:58.00 | ChrisH | debianN00b: http://www.sane-project.org/ |
| 13:58.16 | sencha | debianN00b, it's the daemon on debian that keeps debian sane |
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| 13:58.50 | sencha | :P |
| 13:59.07 | abrotman | debianN00b: you really need to start using Google |
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| 13:59.23 | debianN00b | I am really searching... |
| 13:59.32 | abrotman | doubtful |
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| 14:00.04 | abrotman | "saned debian" 2nd link, the package on packages.debian.org |
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| 14:00.18 | andiolsi | can anyone tell me why dpkg-deb uses DEBIAN/control and dpkg-buildpackage / git-buildpackage uses debian/control ? |
| 14:00.25 | abrotman | maybe there's one of those yellow books for using google |
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| 14:01.35 | abrotman | oh, indeed there is |
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| 14:04.01 | jelly | andiolsi: "DEBIAN/" is only used when hacking on binary packages. source packages use debian/ |
| 14:04.04 | petn-randall | andiolsi: dpkg-deb works on *binary* packages. |
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| 14:05.49 | andiolsi | but i could use dpkg-buildpackage for both? |
| 14:06.33 | jelly | nope? |
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| 14:07.32 | andiolsi | well i know i should be able to -b Specifies a binary-only build, no source files are to be built ... |
| 14:08.04 | andiolsi | it seems to require completely different content in the control file |
| 14:08.06 | petn-randall | andiolsi: dpkg-deb is not used to build debian packages. *-buildpackage has that covered. dpkg-deb is used to open a binary-only package, meddle with it, and assemble it again. |
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| 14:11.57 | SuperMeo | http://www.sponsokdo.com/index-216929.html |
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| 14:19.34 | rafuch0 | Hola chicos |
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| 14:20.55 | rafuch0 | una pregunta ... En Argentina cuanto cobra un Ingeniero UNIX realizando tareas de alto nivel como sysadmin unix por hora ? cual seria un monto ni muy exagerado pero tampoco muy pobre . . . algo quizas un poco arriba de lo normal |
| 14:21.40 | b0lt | ...why do people assume everyone speaks their langauge? |
| 14:21.53 | rafuch0 | sorry |
| 14:22.12 | b0lt | !spanish |
| 14:22.13 | rafuch0 | sorry i got confuse whit the windows |
| 14:22.14 | dpkg | Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat. |
| 14:22.28 | rafuch0 | yeah yeah upsss |
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| 14:27.14 | MO_Handes | It failed to install packages in installing wheezy, I just have the base system, how to install graphical environment and laptop packages in the shell I have now? |
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| 14:29.03 | babilen | MO_Handes: Why did it fail? Which desktop environment do you want? Take a look at "man tasksel" and the task-laptop metapackage. |
| 14:29.09 | b0lt | MO_Handes: you probably don't want to proceed from a partially installed system. you could be missing several vital components, depending on what went wrong |
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| 14:33.10 | babilen | MO_Handes: ping? |
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| 14:34.08 | mallxs | how do i check what version nfs is running ? |
| 14:34.21 | ChrisH | mallxs: man rpcinfo |
| 14:34.38 | ChrisH | mallxs: prcinfo -p SERVER |
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| 14:35.35 | mallxs | thx |
| 14:36.17 | MO_Handes | babilen, the problem is tasksel fails to retrieve some packages, from the 3.7 gb iso I miss <10 megabytes which includes some packages get checksum errors |
| 14:37.25 | babilen | MO_Handes: You don't have a working internet connection? And you get checksum errors with the ISO you used now? Did you verify that the file you downloaded /and the burned/ one has the same md5sum? (/msg dpkg check cd) |
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| 14:38.09 | babilen | MO_Handes: I also don't quite understand what you mean that you miss <10 megabytes? Do you mean that your download was incomplete? |
| 14:38.24 | MO_Handes | I believe the download manager failed to download about 0 to 10 mbs of iso |
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| 14:39.31 | babilen | MO_Handes: So to summarise: You used an incomplete iso to install Debian and that failed? You also didn't configure any online mirror during the installation and that resulted in an incomplete installation? |
| 14:40.32 | babilen | MO_Handes: Just to make sure: Do you have a working internet connection? Which image did you download (exactly!) and what is its md5sum? |
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| 14:40.54 | zykotick9 | MO_Handes: if you use a torrent, and place your current iso into the torrent's download location, it should be able to download/fix your iso. |
| 14:41.05 | MO_Handes | I set an online mirror, it downloaded about 500mbs of packages and tasksel failed again |
| 14:41.18 | _martin | hi, i'm searching for a audio podcast creator (making an rss) |
| 14:41.20 | babilen | With which error? |
| 14:41.30 | babilen | dpkg: tell _martin -about search |
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| 14:41.36 | MO_Handes | zykotick9, is there a torrent for Wheezy images? |
| 14:41.49 | _martin | !apt-cache search podcast |
| 14:41.49 | zykotick9 | MO_Handes: no :( are not that i'm aware of. |
| 14:42.10 | MO_Handes | babilen, I'm running tasksel again, I'll tell you in a couple of minutes |
| 14:42.46 | babilen | sure, please paste relevant output (cf. "/msg dpkg bat") to http://paste.debian.net - I hope that you don't expect an incomplete iso to work at all though |
| 14:42.57 | b0lt | _martin: try that in your console, not here |
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| 14:44.03 | _martin | thanks b00b |
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| 14:44.06 | _martin | b0lt |
| 14:44.27 | _martin | it doesn't find a proper package |
| 14:44.34 | Feigrim | anyone here familiar wiht setting default font in awesome WM? I have installed profont, but just setting the font to "profont 8" did not work. Do I have to do some variety of the long -*-*-*-*profont-*-* etc? |
| 14:45.08 | Feigrim | I am used to just beint able to set "profont 8" in Arch, and I am not sure what the difference is there that lets me do that |
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| 14:46.19 | _martin | gna I'm im faster creating an app for my intention then searching a software |
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| 14:46.56 | babilen | Feigrim: That shouldn't be necessary. How did you install profont and is it listed in "fc-list" ? |
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| 14:47.18 | babilen | Feigrim: I set terminus just fine as "theme.font = "terminus 8"" |
| 14:47.29 | mtn | _martin: google: linux audio podcast creator |
| 14:47.47 | babilen | ^ novel ideas :) |
| 14:47.52 | mtn | heh |
| 14:48.00 | mtn | seems to be most of the time |
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| 14:48.03 | Feigrim | yes ProFont is listed in fc-list |
| 14:48.08 | rmariotti | hi, I recently installed Debian wheezy on my laptop, now i added to sources.list kali linux repos ( http://raghunath24.blogspot.it/2013/03/kali-linux-debian-repositories.html) because i need some pen testing software but when i'm going to update debian want to install kali kerels, gnome etc. from kali repo but i don't want it. I configured pinning but there are no changes how i can use kali software on my debian whitout destroy the system ?? |
| 14:48.23 | Feigrim | as being in /usr/share/fonts/X11/misc |
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| 14:48.47 | babilen | Feigrim: So, what if you use "ProFont 8" in your config? |
| 14:49.08 | babilen | dpkg: tell rmariotti about kali |
| 14:49.27 | Feigrim | babilen: I get hollow square instead of letters |
| 14:49.30 | MO_Handes | sorry babilan, newbie here, but how can I export that error text to any media during installation but taking a picture of the monitor? |
| 14:49.31 | Feigrim | suqares* |
| 14:49.32 | babilen | rmariotti: We do not support Kali Linux (or Frankendebian's like yours) -- Ask in the Kali support channel or ##linux |
| 14:49.57 | rmariotti | ok |
| 14:50.32 | MO_Handes | s/babilan/babilen |
| 14:50.36 | babilen | rmariotti: If you want to use Kali then use it. Do not ever mix distributions like that. It is a horrible idea and just bound to fail. |
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| 14:51.11 | babilen | MO_Handes: Try "bab<TAB>" for nickname completion. Taking a photo of the error would be fine with me or simply telling me is fine too. |
| 14:52.20 | Feigrim | babilen: could the issue be xft related? |
| 14:52.25 | babilen | MO_Handes: But that being said: Please make sure that you /do/ use a complete and correct image. (verify its md5sum) -- You can use the netinst (even the one with firmware) if you have a working internet connection during the installation. (see "/msg dpkg install wheezy" and "/msg dpkg firmware images wheezy" and "/msg dpkg check cd" for details) |
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| 14:53.15 | babilen | Feigrim: I have not used profont, but terminus works just fine here. Would you mind installing that and giving it a try? (xfonts-terminus) |
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| 14:53.49 | babilen | Feigrim: I'd be willing to give profont a spin for debugging purposes, but I was under the impression that nothing special was needed for xft ... |
| 14:54.06 | babilen | Feigrim: It could be that your installation technique was a bit, well, suboptimal :) |
| 14:54.21 | Slydder | hey all. just finished test packaging the last version of piranha-gui, which has been discontinued, for debian. was wondering if I should even bother cleaning the package up for release and maybe actually forking to a new project. does anyone think it would come in handy? in case you that don't know. piranha-gui is a web gui for lvs based load balancing. if I do fork then I will be adding support for HA services as well. |
| 14:54.26 | MO_Handes | babilen, http://aminsite.com/up/mo_handes_deb.jpg |
| 14:54.31 | babilen | dpkg: tell Slydder -about cross-post |
| 14:54.36 | Feigrim | babilen: that is very possible since I am fairly new to Linux :P |
| 14:54.52 | MO_Handes | babilen, I don't have a stable internet connection, I don't want the installer download anything during installation |
| 14:55.19 | babilen | MO_Handes: okay - but please make sure that you /do/ use a correctly downloaded image then. |
| 14:55.30 | babilen | MO_Handes: Have you checked its md5sum? |
| 14:55.40 | Feigrim | babilen: installing xfonts-terminus and setting "terminus 8" in theme.lua worked fint |
| 14:55.43 | Feigrim | fine* |
| 14:55.50 | MO_Handes | no, I know it is not completely downloaded |
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| 14:55.58 | babilen | Feigrim: Ok, give me a minute with profont. |
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| 14:56.08 | babilen | MO_Handes: IT CANNOT WORK in that case. |
| 14:56.56 | MO_Handes | as I can understand from http://aminsite.com/up/mo_handes_deb.jpg it seems that 3 packages named gnome-desktop3 libvorbis and libvorbisenc are missing, what if I manually download and copy them to the archive? |
| 14:57.07 | Feigrim | babilen: I do not believe that profont is available as a package for Debian the way it is for Arch so I had to manually install it, and I might have screwed up. It does work for in urxvt though, I could set profont in .Xresources |
| 14:57.34 | Feigrim | but I had to to the long -*-*-*-*-* thing |
| 14:57.47 | MO_Handes | babilen, that'll be hard and expensive for me to download the whole iso again, I really need to repair it |
| 14:57.53 | babilen | Feigrim: yeah, I am aware of that. I am still willing to give it a try ... give me some minutes. I'll ping you soon. |
| 14:57.57 | Feigrim | on Arch it's just "xft:profont:size=7" |
| 14:58.03 | Feigrim | babilen: ok |
| 14:58.30 | babilen | Feigrim: If the font has been installed correctly (and registered with fontconfig!) it should work exactly like that on Debian too |
| 14:58.40 | babilen | dpkg: tell Feigrim -about install font |
| 14:58.44 | babilen | Feigrim: How did you install it? |
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| 14:59.09 | MO_Handes | the missing packages seem to be all available @ http://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/main |
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| 14:59.34 | babilen | MO_Handes: Sure they are, but you are using the ISO and they would normally be on the image you use. |
| 14:59.40 | Feigrim | babilen: I extracted the font files in /usr/share/fonts/..etc and did fc-cache -fv |
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| 15:00.23 | babilen | MO_Handes: It looks as if those packages are broken on your image though, so ... |
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| 15:01.04 | babilen | brb |
| 15:02.28 | penguin1 | hi |
| 15:02.35 | penguin1 | Anyone here with expertise with Debian Installer? |
| 15:02.40 | n2diy | any suggestions for a program to convert between linux and dos/win text files? i've found tofromdos, just wondering what else might be available? |
| 15:02.59 | ChrisH | dpkg: tell penguin1 about ask |
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| 15:06.24 | MO_Handes | I can't download this file: http://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/main/libv/libvorbis/libvorbisenc2_1.3.2-1.3_amd64.deb |
| 15:06.31 | MO_Handes | can somebody please mirror it for me? |
| 15:06.45 | Sevet | n2diy: is tofromdos not enough? |
| 15:07.03 | ikonia | MO_Handes: why can't you download it ? |
| 15:07.03 | b0lt | MO_Handes: all the debian mirrors already have |
| 15:07.09 | n2diy | Sevet, don't know, never used it? |
| 15:07.52 | n2diy | Sevet, now that I think about it, I might not need it, maybe OO can do it? |
| 15:08.21 | Sevet | probably |
| 15:08.42 | petn-randall | Hi penguin1, have you tried the mailing list as I suggested? |
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| 15:09.26 | local | hi there. I can remove an IPv6 adress with "ifconfig eth0 del address/prefix" but how can I remove an assigned IPv4 address? Its not documented in the "man ifconfig" ? |
| 15:09.26 | MO_Handes | ikonia, b0lt, I don't know it fails when downloading? can you please give me a mirror? |
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| 15:10.15 | b0lt | MO_Handes: http://www.debian.org/mirror/list |
| 15:10.23 | ksuhku | :) |
| 15:11.15 | coffeecup_ | smartctl exit status is 64 and keeps reporting an error since there was a current_pending_sector, munin graph is here http://i.imgur.com/B9ImcXW.png - shouln't it go back to exit status 0 ? |
| 15:11.41 | coffeecup_ | also should i be alerted and maybe request a disk change from my hoster? |
| 15:11.48 | MO_Handes | b0lt, there must be something with me, can you zip it for me? it's about 140kb |
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| 15:12.15 | MO_Handes | wget and firefox stuck at 116kb, don't know why |
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| 15:12.25 | b0lt | MO_Handes: if you're unable to download from each of the 100+ mirrors provided, any of the webservers i can provide will probably fail as well |
| 15:13.08 | b0lt | MO_Handes: you're the one with the partially installed system, aren't you? |
| 15:13.10 | zinx | coffeecup_: it shouldn't go to 0 until it's actually reallocated :/ |
| 15:13.13 | MO_Handes | no, I wan't it packaged, zipped, anything not in .deb format or with that name |
| 15:13.14 | b0lt | MO_Handes: stop trying to fix it. reinstall. |
| 15:13.46 | ksuhku | ^seconded |
| 15:13.53 | coffeecup_ | zinx: so it still tries to relocate the data ? |
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| 15:14.02 | zinx | coffeecup_: yes |
| 15:14.08 | zinx | coffeecup_: pending means it hasn't yet |
| 15:14.19 | MO_Handes | I'm trying to reinstall but I need that file |
| 15:14.21 | zinx | coffeecup_: you see an Offline uncorrectable there too - that means it failed |
| 15:14.22 | coffeecup_ | zinx: what can i do about it? doesn't look like its going to do that |
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| 15:14.33 | coffeecup_ | should i request a disk change? |
| 15:14.35 | local | hi there. I can remove an IPv6 adress with "ifconfig eth0 del address/prefix" but how can I remove an assigned IPv4 address? Its not documented in the "man ifconfig" ? |
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| 15:14.46 | b0lt | MO_Handes: you don't need that file to reinstall. you need a good iso and a network connection |
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| 15:14.59 | zinx | coffeecup_: you can make it reallocate it by writing to it or doing an offline test |
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| 15:15.17 | zinx | coffeecup_: if your disk is busy you're unlikely to get anywhere with the offline test, however |
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| 15:17.28 | coffeecup_ | zinx: mhh ok thanks... ill have to look into that first time i encounter this |
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| 15:18.44 | babilen | Feigrim: Ok, may I see the output of "fc-list|grep -i profont" on http://paste.debian.net please? (if more than a single line) |
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| 15:21.18 | Feigrim | babilen: http://paste.debian.net/242860 |
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| 15:22.16 | Feigrim | babilen: however there are more of those showing up when I do fc-list, like the ones in /usr/share/fonts/X11/misc |
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| 15:22.36 | babilen | Feigrim: Thanks - Sure, fc-list lists /all/ fonts it knows about |
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| 15:23.29 | penguin1 | Mailing list |
| 15:23.34 | penguin1 | Will they really ever answer? |
| 15:23.39 | penguin1 | what list can I use? |
| 15:23.43 | penguin1 | Do I have to use my email? |
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| 15:24.16 | Feigrim | babilen: so do you have a theory of what the problem might be |
| 15:24.16 | Criten | penguin1, what. |
| 15:24.35 | b0lt | penguin1: yes, people reply to mailing lists |
| 15:24.43 | babilen | penguin1: Please try to use punctuation characters in lieu of the enter key in the future. They have been invented quite some time ago and have proven unvaluable in written communication. |
| 15:24.43 | b0lt | penguin1: yes, you have to use a valid email for a mailing list |
| 15:24.47 | orinai | penguin1: Not really sure what you're asking, but if you mean the Debian team.. if they have a mailing list, why -wouldn't- they reply? |
| 15:25.14 | babilen | Feigrim: Where exactly did you download those files? |
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| 15:25.55 | Feigrim | babilen: http://www.tobias-jung.de/seekingprofont/ |
| 15:26.02 | Feigrim | there, profont for linux/unix |
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| 15:26.46 | petn-randall | penguin1: Usually, if you don't get an answer for a question on IRC after asking repeatedly, the next sensible thing to do is to carry it to a mailing list. |
| 15:26.48 | babilen | Feigrim: thanks |
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| 15:27.16 | petn-randall | penguin1: They do answer, and you will reach a wider audience of people who might help you. |
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| 15:28.47 | penguin1 | right |
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| 15:32.41 | babilen | Feigrim: I can't seem to get it right at all :) -- You are using profont-x11.tar.gz aren't you? |
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| 15:33.28 | Feigrim | babilen: yes |
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| 15:33.50 | orinai | Is there a way to let apt manage packages that I compile myself? |
| 15:34.10 | MO_Handes | babilen, b0lt, I fixed the iso by downloading and replacing corrupted files, the installation is going well |
| 15:34.14 | sorressean | I'm running debian stable, but I wanted to run gcc 4.7 (or any newer version) since a server I'm building needs the optimizations. is it possible to get 4.7 working in stable without having to actually compile gcc? |
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| 15:34.39 | MO_Handes | I also got through UEFI well, the problem I had the other day, thanks everybody |
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| 15:35.16 | babilen | sorressean: no |
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| 15:35.38 | sorressean | wait... seriously? so I have to compile gcc? |
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| 15:36.30 | orinai | Ohh no, you have to compile something! Dun dun duuunn. On the bright side sorressean, you will get better performance if you compile it yourself. |
| 15:36.37 | Feigrim | babilen: I have tried downloading both of them from that site, but from what I understand one of them is a bitmap font and as such isn't really what I want |
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| 15:36.42 | orinai | Isn't that kind of what you were going for? |
| 15:36.48 | Towzzer | orinai, are you sure about that? |
| 15:36.49 | babilen | sorressean: I'd work in a wheezy chroot or VM (or upgrade to it) -- Backporting the actual package will be quite some work, but compiling gcc yourself might be an option. |
| 15:36.54 | sorressean | orinai: I'm not against compiling... have you ever compiled gcc by yourself? it's a pain. |
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| 15:37.04 | Towzzer | I think it's more likely that the package maintainers would know the most optimal flags for gcc to compile it |
| 15:37.07 | orinai | sorressean: I run Gentoo Linux and Debian dualboot. I compile gcc about every other week |
| 15:37.08 | Towzzer | than some random slut |
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| 15:37.19 | Towzzer | no offense :D |
| 15:37.28 | sorressean | nods |
| 15:37.39 | needle | yes it's pain to build gcc on debian from scratch, but not a problem on other linux flavours |
| 15:37.59 | babilen | Feigrim: So, what exactly did you download? I can get the ttf running (ProFontWindows), but have no idea where you got your "profont/ProFont_r400-*.pcf.gz" from (the directory is neither called profont nor are the pcf files zipped) |
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| 15:38.15 | orinai | Towzzer: As long as he knows the correct flags, gcc compiled on HIS machine for HIS hardware will perform more efficiently than gcc compiled on some huge server for generic i386 or AMD64 arch |
| 15:38.29 | babilen | orinai: And therein lies your problem ;) |
| 15:38.52 | sorressean | orinai: that's an awesome idea, but I don't know what flags to use. :o |
| 15:38.58 | babilen | But lets please not start the "Its better to compile everything yourself" debate. |
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| 15:39.30 | needle | sorressean: debian is the wrong distribution for building from scratch, get other linux like archmage or gentoo or funtoo |
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| 15:39.35 | babilen | sorressean: If you need 4.7 on Debian use wheezy. How you do that is up to you, but that would be my recommendation. Use a chroot, vm or upgrade to it. |
| 15:39.42 | orinai | I run Gentoo more than Debian, and I would be the first to argue that it truly is better to compile everything yourself, but a lot of the time, it's just not practical. The people who compile everything themselves for +4% performance are just ricers. |
| 15:39.48 | sorressean | I'm running a server. I don't want arch as my server... |
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| 15:40.32 | Feigrim | babilen: I tried a lot of weird things in order to get it to work, I cannot recall all of it at this time unfortunately. There was some guide I found online: http://sahd.lamafam.org/?p=882 |
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| 15:41.11 | DX099 | hello I'm installing Debian 6.0 in a VM, I want to delete a partition on the partitioning screen. Is there a key for that ? |
| 15:41.39 | petn-randall | orinai: Especially when you spend days compiling all the stuff yourself. The break-even points where you save time is probably 500+ years. |
| 15:41.42 | babilen | Feigrim: yes, there are a lot of things that have to be done to get pcf fonts into fontconfig ... I simply had the impression that you did not tell me the entire story and I also have the impression that debugging this would actually require me to read into this. |
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| 15:42.16 | petn-randall | DX099: hit enter on the partition, on the next screen select delete (IIRC) |
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| 15:42.37 | babilen | Feigrim: One thing that I would like to point out, though, is that you probably have to run mkfontscale too ... |
| 15:42.53 | orinai | petn-randall: The main advantage to compiling from source is that you only install the parts of the package you want, whereas with binaries, every part is usually compiled, or you have different versions of the same package intended for different uses. That can be a nuisance if you just want a slimmed down and highly specialized system. |
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| 15:43.17 | babilen | Feigrim: Sorry, but I don't have the time to debug this right now. I would recommend to use a nice font such as terminus for now :) |
| 15:43.22 | orinai | but the other side of the argument is, if you are using a binary distro and don't know what you're doing, it is probably a very bad idea |
| 15:43.32 | babilen | dpkg: global warming |
| 15:43.32 | dpkg | babilen: no idea |
| 15:43.39 | babilen | :( |
| 15:43.43 | Feigrim | babilen: yes that would work, thanks for your time! |
| 15:44.07 | petn-randall | orinai: uhm, that's what module and packaging is for? Most sources a split into several binary packages. Also, what do you mean with slimmed down? Are you worried about disk space? |
| 15:44.28 | babilen | Feigrim: I might find some time to actually look into this at one point, but you would need a proper configuration file to get profont working right now. I don't want to half-arse it. |
| 15:44.38 | DX099 | petn-randall, thanks |
| 15:44.50 | babilen | dpkg: greenhouse |
| 15:44.50 | dpkg | Gentoo Linux causes global warming! Needlessly recompiling everything uses power. Fossil fuels are used to generate that power. See also <diminishing returns on bogomips>. Hug a tree, use Debian! |
| 15:44.53 | petn-randall | DX099: no prob, any time again :) |
| 15:45.10 | Feigrim | babilen: maybe someone in the future could make an xfonts-profont package for Debian, that would be handy :) |
| 15:45.13 | orinai | petn-randall: The more functionality that is unused on your system, the more vulnerabilities, period. And yes, splitting into several binary packages is what I was referring to. Debian boasts that it has 30,000 packages in its repos, but if you don't count the *-debug *-dev *-gtk packages, it is actually a lot smaller than 30,000. |
| 15:45.50 | needle | petn-randall: if you build from source, you --enable only flags you only need to, so if a software supports oracle, mysql, and postgresql, and need only mysql, you --disable-oracle, and --disable-postrgresql. That is the point orinai was referring to. |
| 15:45.51 | babilen | Could we pleae just move on? There are /some/ merits to actually compiling everything yourself and USE flags certainly have a, well, use. But then, I much prefer a system that tailors flags per-package rather than per-everything. |
| 15:45.52 | orinai | I'm not saying he should compile everything, but I think if he wants a new version of gcc on squeeze he should compile it |
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| 15:46.24 | needle | petn-randall: but compiling is useless if you do not know what you are actually doing. This is right. |
| 15:46.25 | orinai | babilen: someone asked about installing gcc 4.7 on squeeze and I am recommending that he compile it. |
| 15:46.29 | petn-randall | orinai: I still can't see how compilng the stuff yourself will give you less functionality. What are we talking about specifically? Other flags on ./configure? |
| 15:46.51 | needle | petn-randall: read up, what i have written |
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| 15:46.56 | needle | then you probably understand |
| 15:47.10 | babilen | orinai: Yes, then please do that. There is /absolutely/ no need for the OLD binary vs. compile discussion in here right now. It has been discussed ad nauseam and it just prevents us from providing proper support. |
| 15:47.24 | orinai | petn-randall: I'm really not looking to have a debate on compiling, but if I am compiling ncmpcpp and I don't want a visualizer, or functionality to edit .mp3 info for instance, I compile it without that. |
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| 15:47.42 | orinai | babilen: Again all I am saying is he should compile gcc 4.7 if he wants it on squeeze. |
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| 15:48.40 | petn-randall | ok, for the sake of peace I'll drop the discussion. |
| 15:48.48 | babilen | thanks |
| 15:48.53 | needle | phew |
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| 15:49.00 | petn-randall | It's probably best to take that somewhere else (#debian-offtopic?) |
| 15:49.04 | babilen | (feel free to discuss it in #debian-offtopic if you really want) |
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| 15:50.38 | orinai | Did he ever decide to compile it? Or is he sticking with an older version of gcc. Kind of curious now. |
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| 15:51.30 | orinai | Squeeze has such outdated packages because they have all been extensively tested to work with each other. Maybe a new version of gcc would not be the best for his server. |
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| 15:51.58 | babilen | !stable |
| 15:51.58 | dpkg | [stable] The status of a Debian release when no packages will be added, new versions introduced and changes will only fix security issues and critical bugs. Packages can be removed in rare circumstances. The current stable version of Debian is Squeeze (6.0); ask me about <releases>. Security bugs are fixed in stable by backporting the fix to the stable version (ask me about <security backports>). http://wiki.debian.org/DebianStable |
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| 15:52.17 | babilen | orinai: "stable" in the context of Debian means "not changing" and only that |
| 15:53.14 | orinai | babilen: Are you trying to start an argument with me by implying that the team @Debian didn't test the packages in squeeze extensively before upgrading it to 'stable,' status? |
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| 15:54.16 | babilen | orinai: No, I've never said that. It is simply a common misconception that stable means "usable" or "bug free" or something along those lines. "stable" means not changing in Debian and that explains why stable is, well, not changing. :) |
| 15:54.46 | orinai | That's the beauty of it. I've used Debian stable releases for my servers for 4 years now, with absolutely no problems. :) |
| 15:55.51 | babilen | Yeah, sure. We try /very/ hard to fix every single RC bug before the release (see <rc bugs> for example) and work hard to make sure that the combination of packages is usable and as bug free as it could be. Once it has released though it does not change. |
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| 16:00.34 | local | hey, anyone please tell me (i am aware of what I am doing!): what was the command for explicitly removing a single packet and force it? I tried "dpkg --purge --ignore-depends packagename" but I remember there was one more option, too, so it is forced really. |
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| 16:03.08 | babilen | local: What are you trying to do? Could you provide relevant information on http://paste.debian.net ? (e.g. commands + output, apt-cache policy output of the packages in question and so on) -- dpkg has quite a number of --force-?? options of which none is typically a good idea, but reading the manpage might be illuminating. |
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| 16:05.33 | local | babilen: I had apt-pinning BIND9 for getting the 9.8 version of wheezy installed on my squeeze os.I already removed that, but this process caused that 5 kerberos packages was installed with version 1.10.1+dfsg-3 |
| 16:05.56 | local | Now I want to install some packages, which needs as dep. the kerberos packages but in version 1.8.xxx |
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| 16:06.52 | babilen | local: You should /never/ mix stable with testing but /only/ with backports. |
| 16:06.53 | local | I would like to manually remove this 5 kerberos-packages version 1.10.xxx and immediately afterwards install my necessary packets. These 5 kerberos packages will be installed then automatically with 1.8.xxx version. I already did that one time (its a test machine, so nothing to worry about) |
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| 16:07.17 | local | babilen: Yes, I know that :) its long time ago (=thats on an old testing machine I continue work) |
| 16:07.39 | local | babilen: I had build using the backports my own BIND9 9.8.x package, but the problem is before all that happened :P |
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| 16:08.02 | local | now I want to repair/fix that, instead of installing a new VM |
| 16:08.15 | local | its only these 5 kerberos packages, I remember them |
| 16:08.24 | babilen | local: Another take on this would be to ping squeeze to a priority >= 1001 and run apt-get dist-upgrade ... I'll have to leave for a short while. I guess that in order to help you people need to see actual commands and their output. |
| 16:08.36 | babilen | Also read dpkg(1) |
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| 16:09.08 | local | babilen: I did, but I do not remember which was the command I used on the other test machine. It worked on that way how I descriobed to you, NOT by apt-pinning again and changing priority levels! |
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| 16:11.57 | penguin1_ | https://gist.github.com/adnams/2392845 |
| 16:12.02 | penguin1_ | # Continue without a default route # Not working , specify a dummy in the DHCP |
| 16:12.03 | kondor` | penguin1_: Error: "Continue" is not a valid command. |
| 16:12.11 | penguin1_ | A dummy in dhcp? |
| 16:12.14 | penguin1_ | What is meant? |
| 16:12.18 | et | # quit |
| 16:12.18 | kondor` | et: Error: You don't have the owner capability. If you think that you should have this capability, be sure that you are identified before trying again. The 'whoami' command can tell you if you're identified. |
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| 16:13.46 | WilliamWS | hi |
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| 16:14.48 | WilliamWS | apt-get upgrade (from squeeze to wheezy) and the discks is not mounted anymore. It says "Auth Error" |
| 16:14.48 | bezaban | penguin1_: a non valid default route, seems it needs something. |
| 16:14.49 | penguin1_ | what is that kondor |
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| 16:15.13 | penguin1_ | bezaban: so the dhcp server doesn't send all required data for a default route? |
| 16:15.19 | penguin1_ | babilen: what is that kondor? |
| 16:15.25 | WilliamWS | I can mount them using roo, but.. as normal user thunar give me this error. |
| 16:15.32 | et | it's a bot ... |
| 16:16.04 | WilliamWS | I have tried a lot of stuff, but no sucess. Anyway to fix this? |
| 16:16.58 | bezaban | penguin1_: oh, I thought this was some specific scenario without a connection. |
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| 16:17.39 | bezaban | if you do not need to continue without a default route that is not relevant I think |
| 16:17.43 | bezaban | but just hopped into this |
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| 16:17.54 | zecrazytux | hi |
| 16:18.06 | WilliamWS | hi |
| 16:18.13 | penguin1_ | bezaban: an internet access is not required |
| 16:18.28 | penguin1_ | bezaban: I want to eliminate this prompt. otherwise one has to confirm it every time |
| 16:18.44 | bezaban | right, it is the same issue as yesterday |
| 16:18.46 | penguin1_ | bezaban: this isn't really the goal of an unattended installation, isn't it? |
| 16:18.51 | needle | you can not continue w/o a default route, you end up w/o networking then if the is no default route specified, or assigned by DHCP |
| 16:18.55 | penguin1_ | bezaban: but now it told me more |
| 16:18.57 | bezaban | but you need a default route |
| 16:19.10 | penguin1_ | needle: when I continue without a default route, the installation goes through well |
| 16:19.13 | bezaban | just the config can't handle it on it's own. Without a connection there will be no default route |
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| 16:19.17 | penguin1_ | needle: so I simply want to skip this damn prompt |
| 16:19.24 | zecrazytux | I can't figured out why debconf-set-selections + dpkg-reconfigure does not keep my configuration... I want to use it to configure a bunch of packages. I am testing with tzdata, but the old values are kept when running dpkg-reconfigure in noninterractive way |
| 16:19.27 | penguin1_ | bezaban: what do I have to st? |
| 16:19.28 | zecrazytux | any hint ? |
| 16:19.29 | penguin1_ | *set |
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| 16:20.02 | zecrazytux | (example: currently timezone is Europe/Paris. echo "tzdata tzdata/Areas select Asia\ntzdata tzdata/Zones/Asia select Dili" | debconf-set-selections; DEBIAN_FRONTEND=noninteractive dpkg-reconfigure tzdata -> still Europe/Paris) |
| 16:20.22 | bezaban | well set the one that you will need when the installation is done |
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| 16:22.16 | penguin1_ | bezaban: the root of the problems is the custom dhcp server which is required for pxe |
| 16:22.17 | bezaban | or just assign any default gw on your local DHCP server and let it get a new one when it gets to the right enviroment |
| 16:22.23 | penguin1_ | bezaban: appearently something is missing |
| 16:22.35 | bezaban | i PXE with ISC-dhcp |
| 16:22.35 | penguin1_ | bezaban: tell me how to assign a default gw on the dhcp server? |
| 16:22.39 | penguin1_ | bezaban: yes |
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| 16:24.21 | needle | penguin1_: Depends on the DHCP server, ISC DHCP Server calls it f.e. "option routers 192..0.2.1" |
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| 16:24.41 | NoNaMeNo | any idea how? |
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| 16:25.21 | local | babilen: it was dpkg --force-depends and --force-depends-version, I fixed it and it works :) |
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| 16:25.41 | penguin1_ | needle: I defined this for the network: option routers 192.168.2.1; |
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| 16:27.14 | needle | penguin1_: what's the problem, getting an IP address from DHCP server or configuring DHCP server? |
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| 16:34.40 | penguin1_ | needle: ip address assignment works well, also downloading preseed file. But it complains about a non defined default route. |
| 16:34.51 | penguin1_ | needle: altough I set this option in dhcp server. |
| 16:34.56 | penguin1_ | needle: what is missing? |
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| 16:36.29 | needle | penguin1_: this DHCP server configuration works for other physical clients ? I mean you get access to the interet? right? |
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| 16:37.07 | penguin1_ | needle: the dhcp server is only used for pxe booting |
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| 16:37.19 | penguin1_ | needle: all other clients are in another network and use another dhcp client (router) |
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| 16:37.25 | needle | ah, ok. |
| 16:37.26 | acu_ | I need to nsstall apache2 |
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| 16:37.37 | bezaban | penguin1_: is it isc-dhcp? |
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| 16:37.41 | penguin1_ | needle: yes |
| 16:37.45 | penguin1_ | needle: the standard debian package |
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| 16:38.29 | needle | penguin1_: did you stop and start the DHCP daemon maybe? after a reconfiguration, if no, now was the time to restart it. |
| 16:38.35 | Malsasa_ | Hello, command apt-get -d -o=dir::cache=/tmp install whateveryouwant yes do my half willing. But I wanna it download only from my /var/cache/apt/archives. How to do that? Or, how the command? Thanks. |
| 16:38.35 | acu_ | I need to install apache2, but getting error ' Err http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ wheezy/main apache2-utils amd64 2.2.22-12 404 Not Found [IP: 64.50.236.52 80] |
| 16:39.15 | penguin1_ | needle: yes, I restarted it, there was even a reboot between the tries (I have got this problem a time) |
| 16:39.56 | needle | penguin1_: If you do not get a default route form this particular DHCP server, and this server is only needed for a specific installation, I would say the DHCP server configuration is wrong |
| 16:40.16 | needle | there you shold look first. |
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| 16:40.43 | penguin1_ | needle: yes |
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| 16:40.55 | bezaban | penguin1_: can you paste the relevant subnet definiton? |
| 16:40.56 | penguin1_ | needle: ah, I added the routers option and now it seems to go throught |
| 16:41.01 | bezaban | yes.. |
| 16:41.07 | penguin1_ | it seems to work now |
| 16:41.09 | penguin1_ | strange |
| 16:41.19 | penguin1_ | I guess there was an option in preseed |
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| 16:41.25 | giabboo | hi guys |
| 16:41.26 | penguin1_ | which conflicted with dhcp |
| 16:41.31 | needle | because you probably configured it and did not restart the daemon, that could be penguin1_ |
| 16:41.44 | local | can anyone tell me step-by-step (the commands) how to build my own package for BIND 9.8.x which is only available in the wheezy repo? I want to use it on my Debian Squeeze OS, and build it with backport. Any help appreciated |
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| 16:42.07 | giabboo | is there a way to run a specific gnome-terminal hiding or disabling the close button on the window upper right border? |
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| 16:42.55 | penguin1_ | needle: hm, possibly |
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| 16:43.12 | needle | now it works, ;) |
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| 16:46.19 | penguin1_ | ah, I think it is some kind of timeout problem |
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| 16:46.28 | penguin1_ | Because I get this prompt from time to time. |
| 16:46.31 | penguin1_ | And sometimes not |
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| 16:49.32 | john_rambo | I have installed squid. My ruter's ip addresss is 192.168.1.1. WHat should the line acl localnet src ???? look like ? |
| 16:49.47 | penguin1_ | ah, there are many people with this router / gateway / default route problem |
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| 16:53.21 | local | can anyone tell me step-by-step (the commands) how to build my own package for BIND 9.8.x which is only available in the wheezy repo? I want to use it on my Debian Squeeze OS, and build it with backport. Any help appreciated |
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| 16:54.43 | babilen | dpkg: tell local -about ssb |
| 16:55.37 | babilen | local: No idea how straightforward or easy it is in reality. You /might/ have to deal with the nitty gritty details, but then .. it might just work. |
| 16:56.10 | babilen | local: We will release wheezy soon though, so maybe you want to consider running bind on that. Why do you need the version in wheezy? (just curious) |
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| 16:57.51 | local | babilen: because of DLZ_plugin (samba4) the 9.8.x version has included the patches from the samba4 dev team. And the next version will also include some more. Thanks for the bdo hint. I did that already some day, but its some time ago and I didnt remember the steps |
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| 16:58.05 | local | babilen: when will I be able to upgrade to wheezy? |
| 16:58.24 | reavengrey | Can do it now |
| 16:58.31 | reavengrey | Up to you |
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| 16:59.17 | babilen | local: The process is detailed in <release notes wheezy> (/msg dpkg ...) |
| 16:59.22 | local | reavengrey: wheezy is the stable branch ? |
| 16:59.33 | reavengrey | Nope, wheezy is testin |
| 16:59.38 | reavengrey | Squeeze is stable |
| 16:59.44 | reavengrey | I'm running wheezy right now though |
| 16:59.46 | babilen | No, it has not yet been released. It is expected to be released soon (weeks) |
| 16:59.47 | reavengrey | and having no problems |
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| 17:00.54 | local | reavengrey: But I am on productional environment. How will that be safe for me ? (ISC DHCP-Server 3 running, BIND9, nslcd, LDAP, etc...) |
| 17:01.05 | reavengrey | Oh, well I can't speak for you then |
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| 17:01.14 | reavengrey | I'm an individual user |
| 17:01.32 | reavengrey | If you need bind now, you can apt-get -t squeeze-backports bind |
| 17:01.33 | babilen | local: You might want to wait for the official release - In fact that would be my recommendation. |
| 17:01.55 | local | babilen: If I would backport BIND 9.8.x now, install the .deb package by "dpkg -i bind9.8.bla.deb" will I have any trouble or issues when later dist-upgrade to wheezy? |
| 17:01.55 | reavengrey | You can add the squeeze backports repo and take it from backports |
| 17:02.02 | babilen | reavengrey: bind9 is not in squeeze-backpotrs |
| 17:02.08 | babilen | ,v bind9 |
| 17:02.09 | judd | Package: bind9 on i386 -- lenny: 1:9.6.ESV.R4+dfsg-0+lenny4; lenny-security: 1:9.6.ESV.R4+dfsg-0+lenny4; lenny-backports: 1:9.7.3.dfsg-1~squeeze3~bpo50+1; squeeze-proposed-updates: 1:9.7.3.dfsg-1~squeeze6; squeeze-security: 1:9.7.3.dfsg-1~squeeze6; squeeze-security: 1:9.7.3.dfsg-1~squeeze8; squeeze: 1:9.7.3.dfsg-1~squeeze9; sid: 1:9.8.4.dfsg.P1-6; wheezy: 1:9.8.4.dfsg.P1-6; experimental: |
| 17:02.09 | reavengrey | Oh, kk babilen |
| 17:02.10 | judd | 1:9.9.2.dfsg.P1-2 |
| 17:03.43 | Rix | im installing debian and have 2tb hdd and i want to create lvcreate (logical volumes) later. do i need to leave the disk space unallocated or i can allocate all space and then make lv |
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| 17:04.24 | Rix | variant 1: create one partition 350gb and leave the rest unallocated for later creation of logical volumes, or variant 2: create partition 1800gb and create lv |
| 17:04.29 | Rix | which is possible and better |
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| 17:05.28 | john_rambo | I have configured squid & configured iceweasel's proxy settings. How I know for sure that I am using squid ? |
| 17:05.32 | babilen | Rix: It doesn't really matter. If you partition in the first place you don't have to partition again (which might incur downtime) |
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| 17:05.44 | babilen | john_rambo: check it's logs? |
| 17:05.55 | babilen | s/'// (sorry) |
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| 17:06.37 | local | babilen: If I would backport BIND 9.8.x now, install the .deb package by "dpkg -i bind9.8.bla.deb" will I have any trouble or issues when later dist-upgrade to wheezy? |
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| 17:08.04 | x-stream | Hi Guys, I have a understanding problem of init and the runlevels. Is this right? When the system boots it will jump straight into the defined default runlevel e.g. 2 without executing things from runlevel 1? And when I am on runlevel 2 and execute telinit 0 it will not enter runlevel one, it will only jump to 0 and does what it has to do there? |
| 17:08.13 | Rix | babilen so if i make one big partition i can then create lv from it, or do i need to resize that partition later |
| 17:09.16 | babilen | local: I wouldn't expect many problems with that setup. It /is/ however an "unusual" one and has therefore not been tested. |
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| 17:09.41 | babilen | Rix: Why would you have to resize it later? Simply create it how you want it :) |
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| 17:10.30 | Rix | so i can create a logical volume from a partition? |
| 17:10.32 | babilen | x-stream: runlevels are independent of each other |
| 17:10.49 | x-stream | is this only the debian way of life? |
| 17:11.05 | Rix | i guess logical volume can be made within a partition |
| 17:11.20 | john_rambo | babilen, the /var/log/squid/access.log file has nothing on it |
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| 17:11.43 | ChibaPet | x-stream: man init |
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| 17:12.12 | babilen | Rix: No, that is not how LVM works. "partitions" are physical volumes and many of those form "volume groups" ... You then create "logical volumes" using space in volume groups |
| 17:12.16 | ChibaPet | x-stream: runlevels are a SYSV (system five) thing, not Debian-specific. |
| 17:12.40 | babilen | dpkg: tell Rix about lvm |
| 17:12.46 | Rix | i see thanks i will then make one big partition allocating all the space and then make lv |
| 17:12.47 | Rix | thanks |
| 17:12.56 | x-stream | I know, but are the run levels only on debian independent or is it the same for all other distributions? |
| 17:13.09 | babilen | yes |
| 17:13.17 | x-stream | ok thanks a million ;) |
| 17:13.19 | babilen | (sorry, couldn't resist) |
| 17:13.22 | patux | hi |
| 17:13.25 | babilen | the latter |
| 17:13.35 | ChibaPet | x-stream: You generally find runlevels everywhere in GNU/Linux. BSD-style Unices do it differently. |
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| 17:14.05 | jelly | x-stream: RHEL puts runlevels to great use, among other distros. |
| 17:14.12 | babilen | x-stream: Runlevels are independent of each other and are /not/ executed in sequence or anything like that. |
| 17:14.42 | ChibaPet | x-stream: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Runlevel |
| 17:14.45 | x-stream | @ babilen: Thank you thats all I need to know ;) |
| 17:15.01 | babilen | dpkg: tell x-stream about runlevels |
| 17:15.08 | x-stream | xD |
| 17:15.13 | ChibaPet | x-stream: You also need to know what that wikipedia article says, because it's cool and I haven't seen it previously. |
| 17:15.41 | ChibaPet | And... I need to edit it to properly refer to Debian. |
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| 17:16.18 | x-stream | I looked on the german wikipage and couldnt find a sentence that tells me that they are independent. I got an understanding from every article that they count on each other |
| 17:17.32 | x-stream | the english page is really good, thanks again |
| 17:17.39 | JmZ | verification of verisign.com's certificate fails for me on wheezy. ca-certificates is upto date, any idea how i can debug this issue? |
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| 17:18.06 | JmZ | openssl s_client -connect www.verisign.com:443 results in "unable to get local issuer certificate" |
| 17:19.22 | JmZ | however, other domains verify correctly (e.g. www.paypal.com *but not* www.sandbox.paypal.com) |
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| 17:21.18 | babilen | JmZ: There were some bugs in openssl ... Not entirely sure if they effect wheezy. One second please. |
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| 17:22.22 | babilen | JmZ: Same here |
| 17:22.42 | JmZ | strange |
| 17:22.50 | JmZ | i wonder why |
| 17:23.02 | JmZ | had a look through the ca-certs bug list and found nothing of relevance either |
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| 17:23.59 | petn-randall | JmZ: -debug, maybe there's more info there. |
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| 17:24.37 | zaffinger | Hi. I installed debian after win7. During the installation win7 was found and I was asked if I wanna rewrite the mbr. I confirmed with yes. Now no operating system found. |
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| 17:25.15 | JmZ | petn-randall: reading through that now, doesn't seem to be anything of use though |
| 17:25.46 | zaffinger | I used my win7-usbstick to fix this. I can boot win7. How do I install grub or someting else to start debian? |
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| 17:28.38 | petn-randall | JmZ: paste it (not into the channel) |
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| 17:29.17 | babilen | zaffinger: Which version of Debian did you install? My guess is that your system uses GPT/UEFI and that if you had used the wheezy installer it would have worked. (see "/msg dpkg install wheezy" for details on that and use "/msg dpkg firmware images wheezy") |
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| 17:29.23 | JmZ | hah can you imagine if i was enough of a newbie to do that. i'd most likely be kicked for flooding before it even finished pasting |
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| 17:29.36 | PrinceAMD | hi guys, i recently purchase a Nvidia GT 610, now I have installed nvidia-glx and every thing works fine EXCEPT skype and virtualbox, when I open these 2 software Xorg crashes completely, is there a fix/ |
| 17:29.37 | zaffinger | ty babilen |
| 17:29.42 | bdheeman | Hello :) |
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| 17:30.13 | petn-randall | JmZ: I'm not trying to insult your wits, I'd just prefer to err on the side of caution. :) |
| 17:30.19 | babilen | zaffinger: Apart from that you can follow the instructions in "/msg dpkg fixmbr" to repair your boot sector. I would recommend to install wheezy anyway, so please try that if you haven't already. (did you install squeeze (i.e. 6.0.7 ?)) |
| 17:30.40 | edakiri | PrinceAMD: Do they crash with another Xorg server, such as VESA? |
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| 17:30.55 | bdheeman | How do I get rid of HP Smart Install to make the HP LaserJet P1108 work for cups? |
| 17:30.58 | zaffinger | Is squeeze a codenome for debian version? :P |
| 17:31.03 | PrinceAMD | edakiri, no, i tried nouveau and it did not crash |
| 17:31.19 | petn-randall | PrinceAMD: I guess you have to take it up with nvidia then :/ |
| 17:31.45 | PrinceAMD | i purchase this nvidia to run away from fglrx, and i am still fucked |
| 17:31.47 | serega74422 | Hi. install samba 4.0.2 for debian 6.0.4. Error at startup http://pastebin.com/bK6SjmQv |
| 17:31.47 | babilen | PrinceAMD: Which version of Debian? How did you install the nvidia driver? Do you have information about the crash in /var/log/Xorg.0.log and could you follow the instructions on http://wiki.debian.org/XStrikeForce/XserverDebugging to debug this issue please? |
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| 17:31.57 | PrinceAMD | wheezy |
| 17:32.18 | PrinceAMD | i have updated the nvidia driver to 313.18 (from sid) |
| 17:32.39 | PrinceAMD | same thing happens with the normal driver from wheezy (310.xx) |
| 17:32.58 | babilen | PrinceAMD: Did you follow the instructions in "/msg dpkg nvidia dkms wheezy" (or something to that effect) to install the driver? Could you try the 313 driver in experimental in additional to the procedure on the xserver debugging website? |
| 17:33.02 | PrinceAMD | ok i will try to debug the problem |
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| 17:33.22 | JmZ | petn-randall: I know you're not, I was just busy copying it all |
| 17:33.28 | babilen | PrinceAMD: 313 is not in sid but in experimental. i take it that you mean that |
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| 17:33.29 | JmZ | petn-randall: http://pastebin.com/9siYhx65 |
| 17:33.38 | PrinceAMD | correct |
| 17:33.39 | PrinceAMD | 1 |
| 17:33.50 | john_rambo | I ahve added the following lines in squid.conf http://pastebin.com/QLXW7H9S Is that okay ? |
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| 17:33.57 | babilen | JmZ: use http://paste.debian.net or paste.ubuntu.com or http://refheap.com or ... but /please/ do not use pastebin.com as it is horrible! |
| 17:34.07 | babilen | john_rambo: same for you ^^^ |
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| 17:34.27 | john_rambo | Okay |
| 17:34.32 | g0to | hi there! |
| 17:34.34 | babilen | (it mangles input, asks for captchas, is integrated with a bunch of useless social websites, displays ads, ...) |
| 17:34.42 | JmZ | babilen: indeed it is horrible, i'm used to using codepad or viper-7's codepad from ##php so wasn't sure which to use for this :p |
| 17:34.58 | babilen | JmZ: anything but pastebin.com :) |
| 17:35.04 | zaffinger | babilen: I used the mini.iso from http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/dists/squeeze/main/installer-amd64/current/images/netboot/ |
| 17:35.15 | zaffinger | ermahgerd |
| 17:35.17 | zaffinger | squeeze |
| 17:35.45 | babilen | zaffinger: Ah, okay. Yeah, that install squeeze and the installer does not handle UEFI correctly. Just use the wheezy installer. |
| 17:35.50 | babilen | dpkg: tell zaffinger -about install wheezy |
| 17:35.56 | babilen | dpkg: tell zaffinger -about firmware images wheezy |
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| 17:36.23 | zaffinger | Thank you |
| 17:36.45 | babilen | zaffinger: On top of handling UEFI correctly you also get newer software and other things. It has /not/ yet been released as stable, but will be in some weeks and it is (generally speaking) the version we would recommend for "personal" and "unimportant" use. :) |
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| 17:37.13 | g0to | I'm looking for someone who helps me to test something in wheezy. Someone willing to lend a hand? |
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| 17:37.22 | babilen | g0to: Just ask |
| 17:37.43 | zaffinger | Thank you, I only need it for oracle database XE x64 |
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| 17:37.47 | g0to | babilen, okay. Could you install unattended-upgrades? |
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| 17:38.48 | yopyop_ | Hello, what system will you advice me to use to manage debian shutdown in case of powerfaillure ? |
| 17:39.29 | ariqz | wheezy is coming soon, isn't it? |
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| 17:39.44 | krystianm | hi |
| 17:39.56 | g0to | hello, krystianm |
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| 17:40.03 | krystianm | how to lunch gui app over ssh on target machine ? |
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| 17:40.33 | krystianm | i tried with ssh tim "DISPLAY=:0 nohup firefox" |
| 17:40.38 | babilen | g0to: Why not ask a complete question and provide some details on http://paste.debian.net (if applicable) |
| 17:40.46 | g0to | krystianm, you mean, by showing it on a remote screen? |
| 17:41.07 | krystianm | and all i get it xterm: Xt error: Can't open display: :0 |
| 17:41.10 | krystianm | exactly |
| 17:41.49 | g0to | babilen, I'm trying to catch this bug (https://bugs.launchpad.net/raspbian/+bug/1156170) but I only have Raspbian and Ubuntu machines to test it |
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| 17:42.59 | babilen | g0to: ack, let me have a look |
| 17:43.08 | PrinceAMD | wow, my gpu is fixed!, i had to remove xorg.conf... |
| 17:43.18 | babilen | ariqz: yes, it is |
| 17:43.35 | babilen | PrinceAMD: No surprise there |
| 17:43.41 | JmZ | petn-randall: had a chance to read it? :p |
| 17:43.44 | PrinceAMD | "/msg dpkg nvidia dkms wheezy" <-- instructions fixed my problem |
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| 17:43.51 | PrinceAMD | thanks babilen |
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| 17:44.02 | PrinceAMD | and you too edakiri thanks |
| 17:44.07 | babilen | PrinceAMD: A /etc/X11/xorg.conf is deprecated ever since squeeze (see "/msg dpkg empty xorg.conf" and "/msg dpkg xorg.conf.d") |
| 17:44.16 | babilen | yay! |
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| 17:44.22 | PrinceAMD | :) |
| 17:44.31 | PrinceAMD | loving the new machine :) |
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| 17:44.58 | g0to | krystianm, could you try this? http://askubuntu.com/questions/47642/how-to-start-a-a-gui-software-on-a-remote-linux-pc-via-ssh |
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| 17:47.13 | babilen | g0to: Looking into this: Why do you think that ""isTrusted=True";" is valid? |
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| 17:47.38 | g0to | babilen, I'm trying to figure out if it's a distro or a package problem so the reporter can open a bug for the package outside Raspbian |
| 17:47.48 | babilen | g0to: And no, I cannot reproduce that issue. |
| 17:47.48 | JmZ | http://paste.debian.net/hidden/14c9b714/. any idea anyone? someone else here tried and had same issue |
| 17:47.54 | babilen | ,v unattended-upgrades |
| 17:47.56 | judd | Package: unattended-upgrades on i386 -- lenny: 0.25.1debian1-0.1; squeeze: 0.62.2; sid: 0.79.5; wheezy: 0.79.5; experimental: 0.80~exp2 |
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| 17:48.31 | babilen | g0to: I am using 0.79.5 on sid (which is significantly newer than what the reporter used) |
| 17:48.31 | krystianm | g0to, git it!; one need to run xhost + on target first then on client ssh tim "DISPLAY=:0 nohup firefox" |
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| 17:48.47 | babilen | no, shudder |
| 17:49.18 | g0to | babilen, you are running the same version, then (0.79.5) |
| 17:49.34 | babilen | krystianm: No, there is a better approach. Give me a second to find some documentation about it. |
| 17:49.42 | jmd | My wlan0 interface shows lots of dropped packets on thre Rx side. Is that necessarily a hardware problem, or can I fix it somehow? |
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| 17:53.11 | no_gravity | Good Evening! When I type "ö" in bash, it responds with "-bash: $'\303\266': command not found". Any idea what that shit is? |
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| 17:54.14 | g0to | could anyone using wheezy lend a hand testing a something? |
| 17:54.29 | Malsasa_ | Hello, command apt-get -d -o=dir::cache=/tmp install appname yes do half of my aim. But I absolutely wanna it download only from my /var/cache/apt/archives. How to do that? Or, how the command? Thanks. |
| 17:54.35 | no_gravity | g0to: which version is wheezy? 6? |
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| 17:56.03 | jmd | no_gravity, It means that you have no such command as ö in your PATH. |
| 17:56.28 | g0to | no_gravity, 7. Wheezy is 7 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Debian#Release_history) |
| 17:56.44 | no_gravity | jmd: but bash doesnt say i dont have an "ö" command. It says I dont have an "$'\303\255'" command. |
| 17:57.00 | no_gravity | g0to: ok. sorry, i run 6 on all my machines. |
| 17:57.04 | jmd | They are the same thing (in UTF8) |
| 17:57.26 | no_gravity | jmd: ok. so i assume no other stuff will break because of this. |
| 17:57.35 | babilen | krystianm: You essentially don't want to use xhost to grant permissions (it works, but is opening your system wide) -- It is much better to use ~/.Xauthority .... see "/msg dpkg xhost". I have to leave now, but google for that or come back later |
| 17:57.35 | g0to | no_gravity, ö is part os a filename or dirname, right? |
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| 17:58.03 | no_gravity | g0to: no. i just type ö<enter> |
| 17:58.25 | g0to | no_gravity, with what purposes? |
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| 17:59.00 | jmd | no_gravity, Are you sure it is 255 and not 266 ? |
| 17:59.05 | ldnblk | I am have managed to get my xorg.conf file to run on squeeze by using autodetect and auto |
| 17:59.12 | no_gravity | g0to: see how bash deals with it |
| 17:59.14 | ldnblk | autoena |
| 17:59.35 | jmd | It is most likely a problem with your terminal and not with bash. |
| 17:59.44 | no_gravity | jmd: its 266! |
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| 18:00.18 | no_gravity | jmd: could be. what do you get? |
| 18:00.42 | jmd | I get 266 |
| 18:00.59 | no_gravity | jmd: so you have the same problem with your terminal |
| 18:01.16 | jmd | No. I mean. I get " bash: ö: Kommando nicht gefunden." |
| 18:01.18 | ldnblk | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:01.37 | jmd | but when I evaluate the bytecode of ö in octal it comes out to be 303 266 |
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| 18:03.23 | jmd | no_gravity, What terminal emulator are you running? |
| 18:03.44 | reavengrey | ldnblk: There is no way to dump Xorg's auto detected settings that it uses at startup when it is guessing |
| 18:03.47 | no_gravity | jmd: how do i find out? |
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| 18:03.53 | reavengrey | but you can examine /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 18:04.08 | chris__ | Hello all. Is there an easy way to install oracle JDK 7 on debian? |
| 18:04.28 | chris__ | I have a headache so ideally I'd just have to type one comman. |
| 18:04.31 | chris__ | command |
| 18:04.36 | g0to | no_gravity, maybe you would like to reconfigure your locales (dpkg-reconfigure locales) |
| 18:04.59 | reavengrey | ldnblk: By reading through the log of what Xorg is doing at boot, you can deduce what its autodetection routine concluded |
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| 18:05.42 | g0to | no_gravity, or just forget about it since you found how the terminal deals with it |
| 18:05.45 | ldnblk | : reavengrey I have examined that logfile but the xorg.conf.d give me no clue. |
| 18:06.07 | no_gravity | g0to: ok, ill forget about it :) |
| 18:06.16 | reavengrey | What exactly do you want to find out right now, ldnblk ? |
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| 18:07.53 | g0to | no_gravity, did you learn at least how to deal with "weird" characters? |
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| 18:08.58 | no_gravity | g0to: what do you mean? |
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| 18:10.08 | ldnblk | :reavengrey the identifier and device , monitor setttings in the screen section and the identifer in the monitor sec |
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| 18:10.13 | ldnblk | section |
| 18:10.42 | reavengrey | Well, I was recently trying to do something similar, and I was able to read through the Xorg.0.log file, and find all of that out |
| 18:10.49 | reavengrey | Xorg will dump information in there |
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| 18:10.59 | reavengrey | (==) lines are the things that it autodetected |
| 18:11.13 | reavengrey | You will see lines from each of the drivers it runs |
| 18:11.16 | reavengrey | When probing, etc |
| 18:11.28 | g0to | no_gravity, I mean, encoding issues |
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| 18:11.36 | reavengrey | You can use those to determine what it is doing, to a decent extent |
| 18:12.03 | g0to | no_gravity, when you use different "encoding codes" that some system uses |
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| 18:12.54 | no_gravity | g0to: not sure what you mean. but i have to go now. see you next time! |
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| 18:17.06 | ldnblk | reavengrey: do you know how (**) |-->Screen "Default Screen Section" (0) and (**) | |-->Monitor "<default monitor>" would translate to the xorg.conf file ? also do you know how (==) No monitor specified for screen "Default Screen Section" (0)Using a default monitor configuration. would translate to an xorg.conf entry ? |
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| 18:18.16 | zaffinger | non-torrent-edition for wheezy |
| 18:18.19 | reavengrey | ldnblk: I never personally had to write an xorg.conf file, but it would seem you can define Section parameters matching what you see in yours |
| 18:18.37 | reavengrey | ldnblk: Note well, I'm just a generalist |
| 18:18.55 | reavengrey | But, the information in there is enough to at least get you good help in #xorg maybe |
| 18:19.13 | reavengrey | For writing a conf based on it |
| 18:19.30 | ldnblk | :reavengrey thanks |
| 18:19.33 | reavengrey | np |
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| 18:40.48 | ldnblk | does anyone on this channel know how (**) |-->Screen "Default Screen Section" (0) and (**) | |-->Monitor "<default monitor>" would translate to the xorg.conf file entry ? also does anyone on channel know how (==) No monitor specified for screen "Default Screen Section" (0) Using a default monitor configuration. would translate to an xorg.conf entry ? http://pastebin.com/jUUmAc7n |
| 18:41.50 | jmd | My other machine I have upgraded to wheezy. After I login, how do I get a shell? |
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| 18:48.23 | jelly-home | is there an efficient split or dd replacement that can be given byte ranges to slice and output? |
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| 18:51.37 | jelly-home | has mbox files to slice by year, and wants no rewriting to be taken |
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| 18:52.57 | JamesGatz | in wheezy, is there anything similar to the "window selector" applet in Debian 6? |
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| 18:53.51 | jelly-home | tries cut -b |
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| 18:54.50 | peterrooney | mocks jelly-home's email client |
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| 18:55.45 | jelly-home | peterrooney: do you have one that can deal with a 12GB mbox and copy mails as-is without adding, removing or rearranging anything? |
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| 18:57.07 | jelly-home | mutt likes to add Status, Content-Length and Lines headers, in addition to not being too scriptable. I'm not happy about that. |
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| 19:02.07 | jhutchin1_wk | jelly-home: procmail? |
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| 19:02.59 | jelly-home | fuck no |
| 19:04.06 | Rix | linux-image-3.2.0-4-amd64 or linux-image-amd64 installation asks me for choosing kernel |
| 19:04.11 | Rix | wheezy rc1 |
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| 19:05.38 | jhutchin1_wk | Rix: Should give you the same results either way. I'd go with the simpler name. |
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| 19:06.03 | Rix | i dont know what to choose |
| 19:06.12 | jhutchin1_wk | linux-image-amd64 |
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| 19:06.40 | jhutchin1_wk | Rix: That is a generic tag that will bring in whatever the latest production kernel happens to be. |
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| 19:07.43 | jhutchin1_wk | Rix: linux-image-3.2.0-4-amd64 is the actual current package. |
| 19:07.49 | orinai | Can anyone explain to me why the official documentation for nvidia drivers suggests ways for you to install them when running a generic/stock Debian kernel, when the kernel has framebuffer modules enabled which are known to conflict with the drivers, to such a degree that nvidia tells you to disable framebuffer modules and recompile your kernel? |
| 19:08.06 | orinai | Is this distro ran by 12 year olds? |
| 19:08.23 | orinai | It's almost as if you want people to turn away from Linux |
| 19:08.32 | Canar | Troll harder. |
| 19:08.39 | orinai | I'm not even trolling, it literally makes no sense. |
| 19:08.59 | jhutchin1_wk | orinai: Don't complain to us, we're just fellow users. Complain to Nvidia - they're the ones with the closed source drivers. |
| 19:09.00 | ompaul | not even started - ohh someone make me some popcorn |
| 19:09.00 | dondelelcaro | orinai: which official documentation? |
| 19:09.38 | orinai | nvidia are in fact giant ***wipes, but I still would think that the documentation would clarify that users will run into problems installing nvidia binary blobs with stock kernel |
| 19:09.59 | dondelelcaro | orinai: if you're refering to the wiki page, that's user-generated documentation, and generally provides the best information we currently have. |
| 19:10.01 | orinai | dondelelcaro: http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers |
| 19:10.23 | ompaul | orinai: it's a wiki, please feel free to fix it |
| 19:10.56 | jhutchin1_wk | orinai: I'm pretty sure there's a generic warning that packages and software from outside the official Debian repositories may cause problems and are not supported by Debian. |
| 19:11.27 | jmd | orinai, A more pertinent question might be what the hell are non-free drivers doing in Debian in the first place. |
| 19:11.27 | orinai | I see, thanks for clarifying |
| 19:11.39 | x-stream | Hi Guys, again a question how to change the order of runlevel scripts? rcconf doesn't have an option for it and editing it manually is not a good way I heard. Is there a simple way to change the order? |
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| 19:11.48 | dondelelcaro | orinai: and additionally, it does mention in that documentation that the the framebuffer drivers may cause a problem, and provides information on how to disable them temporarily, and how to do it permanently later |
| 19:12.02 | jhutchin1_wk | x-stream: Why do you want to change the order? |
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| 19:12.53 | petn-randall | x-stream: if you have a good reason, they're just symlinks in numerical order. Just rename them. |
| 19:13.22 | x-stream | But I heard this is the bad way |
| 19:13.36 | tremon | x-stream: man insserv will tell you to use /etc/insserv/overrides |
| 19:14.07 | Mogget | Hey guys; I have bought an SSD drive for my laptop and wish to use Squeeze for this. But I also want the improved support in newer kernels. Will installing testing, what is soon to be stable make it so I have to reinstall when it goes stable? |
| 19:14.13 | tremon | that is, assuming you're using debian default boot sequencing |
| 19:14.19 | petn-randall | x-stream: you've already left the path of goodness when you want to change the order of them :) |
| 19:14.37 | petn-randall | Mogget: no, you won't have to reinstall |
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| 19:14.42 | tremon | petn-randall: there are very good legitimate reasons to change daemon boot order |
| 19:14.53 | ompaul | !tell mogget about kmuto |
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| 19:15.36 | x-stream | I will take a look. at the others: In the past I had an issue with apache and vhosts. It worked well when I changed the order for apache to be the last one. So I just want to know how to do it in a good way |
| 19:15.37 | petn-randall | Mogget: In fact, you'll never have to reinstall. You just upgrade to newer versions. |
| 19:16.41 | dondelelcaro | x-stream: if you're using sysv-rc-conf, you usually just need to set the dependencies properly |
| 19:16.43 | tremon | x-stream: you will need to identify which other daemon is causing startup problems for apache then (I'm guessing dns resolution?) |
| 19:16.57 | dondelelcaro | x-stream: otherwise, you can manually order them |
| 19:17.08 | Mogget | petn-randall, ompaul: Thanks. |
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| 19:17.12 | x-stream | @ tremon: yes the problem seems to be dns resolution |
| 19:17.13 | dondelelcaro | (if this is a recent install, you're probably using sysv-rc-conf) |
| 19:17.14 | ompaul | Mogget: you're welcome |
| 19:17.19 | BW^- | I have a PID 123. how do I make a dump of the ulimits it is subject to? |
| 19:17.32 | petn-randall | tremon: I agree, sometimes. I had a single case, once. That's only because I had a screwed up layer of LVM/RAID |
| 19:17.41 | dondelelcaro | BW^-: cat /proc/123/limits |
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| 19:17.48 | dondelelcaro | BW^-: man proc; for details |
| 19:18.02 | zaffinger | Hmmm... I have trouble with restarts. Sent SIGKILL to all processes. Requesting system reboot. [double-somethingblahblah] Restarting system. Now my laptop is frozen. |
| 19:18.11 | x-stream | In the past when I faced this error I just did a bad patch so apache just reloaded again or a wait 2 seconds line :D |
| 19:18.12 | BW^- | dondelelcaro: super thx |
| 19:18.16 | Orestes | hi there |
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| 19:19.11 | petn-randall | zaffinger: which laptop model? What Debian vesion are you using? Could the kernel doesn't issue a ACPI shutdown properly. |
| 19:19.37 | petn-randall | hi Orestes. |
| 19:19.39 | zaffinger | Thinkpad L520, http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/wheezy_di_rc1/, don't know |
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| 19:20.19 | petn-randall | zaffinger: That's wheezy. Did just the installation get stuck, or does this happen on the installed system? |
| 19:20.23 | tremon | x-stream: sed -ne '/BEGIN INIT/,/END INIT/p' /etc/init.d/apache > /etc/insserv/overrides/apache, then edit the required-start line |
| 19:20.50 | tremon | realises too late the init script is called apache2 |
| 19:20.51 | ompaul | zaffinger: apt-get install firmware-linux-nonfee there are also some results for apt-cache search think gives apt-get install tp-smap* |
| 19:21.08 | Orestes | I want to install some packages I get this error E: Unable to locate package libfilesys-diskspace-perl |
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| 19:21.13 | zaffinger | After the installation |
| 19:21.18 | x-stream | thank you tremon |
| 19:21.47 | ompaul | zaffinger: those are two things I do on my thinkpad (and then there's the wireless driver) |
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| 19:21.54 | tremon | x-stream: just giving you a nudge, I've had trouble locating the insserv overrides documentation in the past ;) |
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| 19:23.43 | Rix | linux-image-3.2.0-4-amd64 or linux-image-amd64 installation asks me for choosing kernel i dont know what to choose |
| 19:23.50 | dondelelcaro | Orestes: aptitude reinstall libfilesys-diskspace-perl; should fix that up |
| 19:24.01 | dondelelcaro | Orestes: if not, please give us the full error, along with what you were trying to do |
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| 19:24.24 | dondelelcaro | Rix: linux-image-amd64 is just fine. |
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| 19:24.57 | dondelelcaro | (the only reason to not choose it is if you didn't want automatic kernel upgrades for some reason) |
| 19:25.26 | Orestes | thx dondelelcaro the error: Couldn't find any package whose name or description matched "libfilesys-diskspace-perl"0 |
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| 19:26.43 | Rix | thanks |
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| 19:27.27 | dondelelcaro | Orestes: is this Debian? Have you run apt-get update; recently? |
| 19:27.35 | ompaul | Rix: some of those "kernel remove" tools kill the package |
| 19:28.17 | ompaul | Rix: but that package you are pointed at actually gives you the latest kernel |
| 19:28.20 | petn-randall | Orestes: Try apt-get update and try it again. If that doesn't fix it, post the contents of /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 19:28.40 | Rix | ty |
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| 19:32.08 | Orestes | dondelelcaro yes its Debian I havent run apt-get update |
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| 19:34.14 | Orestes | petn-randall Finally I can install the package just add some extra repo many thanx :) |
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| 19:34.54 | petn-randall | Orestes: you added some extra repos? Where did the existing one's go? |
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| 19:35.38 | b4dave_ | Hey guys and girls. has anyone ever used LogMeIn using Debian? |
| 19:36.11 | b4dave_ | I cant seem to find any way of getting it to run. its for work and i dont want to use windows. |
| 19:36.40 | jmd | b4dave_, Never heard of it. |
| 19:37.13 | zaffinger | During the installation I have the option to choose softwarepakets like "SQL database". What does it mean? |
| 19:37.26 | Orestes | frompetn-randall from this http://deblinux.wordpress.com/2012/03/23/mis-repositorios-en-debian-estable-squeeze-y-debian-testing-wheezy-23-03-2012/ |
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| 19:38.24 | petn-randall | Orestes: ok then. Though you should have had some lines in there in the first place. Oh well, nevermind :) |
| 19:38.25 | b4dave_ | jmd, oh its like team viewer. |
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| 19:38.36 | petn-randall | b4dave_: my condolences. |
| 19:39.13 | petn-randall | b4dave_: I had to put up with Citrix at work, it was so aweful it made me cry. |
| 19:39.15 | b4dave_ | petn-randall, Thanks. i feel dirty just thinking about having to use windows. |
| 19:39.41 | zaffinger | Is it mysql? |
| 19:39.57 | petn-randall | b4dave_: I had to download 50+ MB of binaries, compile a kernel module and install missing deps just to see a desktop login. |
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| 19:40.21 | petn-randall | b4dave_: and then I logged in to a window session, just to open putty to SSH to a machine. |
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| 19:40.51 | b4dave_ | petn-randall, that sound intimidating. that sucks! |
| 19:40.54 | petn-randall | b4dave_: I felt like shooting them. The next time I'll just use a reverse shell. |
| 19:41.06 | b4dave_ | good idea |
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| 19:41.27 | b4dave_ | I think i will just spin up a vm with windows 7 and install it there. |
| 19:41.31 | sampiero | hi |
| 19:42.05 | sampiero | please I've got problem on wheezy, kde freezes during desktop configurations loading at login |
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| 19:43.16 | ompaul | sampiero: create a test user (perhaps called sampleuser) and use this user to log on and test if it is the settings for the desktop or actually your machine |
| 19:43.31 | ompaul | sampiero: and before you do that make sure your machine is up to date |
| 19:43.57 | sampiero | machine is updated, and test user has got same problem |
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| 19:45.18 | ompaul | sampiero: I'm taking it your machine has rebooted since last update (which I hope was a dist-upgrade not an upgrade you must dist-upgrade for wheezy until it is stable), please tell us what video card arrangement you have, and if you can log in from ssh to the box. |
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| 19:45.49 | sampiero | dist-upgrade and rebooted |
| 19:45.57 | sampiero | I can login with ssh |
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| 19:46.17 | sampiero | and I can login with kde after restarted kdm service |
| 19:46.47 | sampiero | problem started after hplip and cups installation |
| 19:47.17 | ompaul | sampiero: go into your systemsettings, go to the login settings, have it start with a new session not with the previous, I'm guessing that your current config is bringing some "dirt" with it, once cleaned up you can get on with your usual using |
| 19:47.21 | ompaul | sampiero: of kde |
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| 19:49.34 | sampiero | ompaul: kdm is configured to start new session everytime |
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| 19:51.51 | ompaul | sampiero: how much ram have you got, and when was the last time you tested it with memtest? |
| 19:52.25 | sampiero | problem is present on three pcs with wheezy on them |
| 19:52.35 | sampiero | I've got 4 GB, 8 GB and 16 GB |
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| 19:52.48 | sampiero | all chipset are nvidia |
| 19:53.08 | ompaul | sampiero: ooch, I don't I stick to intel, are you using nvidia drivers? |
| 19:53.14 | sampiero | graphic cards has got the proper dkms nvidia binary modules |
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| 19:53.49 | ompaul | I wonder if you went back to the debian provided would you have the problems, obviously not as glitzy but ... working machines work |
| 19:54.01 | ompaul | sampiero: ^^ |
| 19:54.17 | tremon | sampiero: can you solve the problem by stopping the cups service? |
| 19:54.25 | sampiero | don't knowù |
| 19:54.27 | sampiero | don't know |
| 19:54.30 | sampiero | wait |
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| 19:55.25 | ompaul | tremon: why cups? |
| 19:55.38 | tremon | <sampiero> problem started after hplip and cups installation |
| 19:55.43 | sampiero | yes |
| 19:55.47 | ompaul | ah, I totally missed that |
| 19:55.57 | sampiero | tremon: wait, I stopped cups |
| 19:56.03 | sampiero | and removed hptoolgui |
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| 19:56.10 | sampiero | now I relogin |
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| 19:58.13 | sampiero | tremon: no, it won't solve, I had to CTRL + F1, login as root and service restart kdm |
| 19:58.33 | sampiero | tremon: CTRL + ALT + F1 |
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| 19:58.56 | tremon | ok, then it's not that. Have any other packages been upgraded when the hangs began? (check e.g. /var/log/dpkg.log) |
| 19:59.20 | tremon | it's still possible that some kde client is hanging your startup, but at least it's not because of the local cups daemon |
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| 19:59.25 | sampiero | no I installed hplip and hptoolgui then it started to do that |
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| 20:00.25 | sampiero | the screen freezes at desktop config loading icon, but I can hear the kde chime |
| 20:00.28 | tremon | were any extra dependencies installed with those packages? |
| 20:00.35 | sampiero | only cups related |
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| 20:01.06 | ompaul | sampiero: lets be really stupid, you have now removed cups hplip and hptoolgui, yes? |
| 20:01.16 | ompaul | sampiero: kde still hangs |
| 20:01.18 | sampiero | I did it now |
| 20:01.29 | sampiero | ompaul: I have to test it |
| 20:01.34 | sampiero | wait |
| 20:01.54 | ompaul | sampiero: have you any other DE or things like rat poison - 0 - oh well |
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| 20:02.08 | tremon | he'll be back ;) |
| 20:02.13 | ompaul | tremon: in case I'm not here that's a line you might consider |
| 20:02.41 | tremon | yeah, was going to ask him to remove the packages but he already did that, next is other DE (yay) |
| 20:02.50 | tremon | thx |
| 20:02.55 | ompaul | break links to .dmrc |
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| 20:03.08 | ompaul | and make sure he has a fully logged in something anything |
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| 20:03.25 | ompaul | it could be just feeling ill in some way |
| 20:03.26 | tremon | a something anything, got it :) |
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| 20:04.02 | ompaul | suspects his evening is shortly to be interrupted for a $period of time that may be very short or exceptionally long |
| 20:04.06 | sampiero | ompaul: no way! Still hangs |
| 20:04.21 | ompaul | sampiero: have you any other desktop environment |
| 20:04.28 | sampiero | no |
| 20:04.29 | ompaul | installed or window manager |
| 20:04.43 | tremon | ok, then we're back to nuking the kde config :) |
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| 20:05.00 | tremon | is it in .config/kde nowadays or still in .kde? |
| 20:05.08 | ompaul | .kde |
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| 20:05.33 | ompaul | tremon: I would like you to install something fvwm or anything else at all |
| 20:05.37 | ompaul | woops |
| 20:05.45 | ompaul | sampiero: I would like you to install something fvwm or anything else at all |
| 20:05.49 | tremon | no thanks, I'm perfectly happy with e17 |
| 20:06.00 | ompaul | doesn't matter - something so you can get into X |
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| 20:06.21 | ompaul | just so you can go in and check try moving your .kde out of the way a |
| 20:06.26 | ompaul | but you are not living without X |
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| 20:06.41 | ompaul | points at proprietary drivers as his chief suspect |
| 20:06.43 | ompaul | but anway |
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| 20:06.45 | ompaul | anyway |
| 20:06.46 | sampiero | months ago the same problem was related to a different nvidia driver version |
| 20:07.00 | sampiero | but now I installed the latest version |
| 20:07.04 | ompaul | sampiero: all my kde belongs to intel |
| 20:07.24 | ompaul | sampiero: they are proprietary drivers we don't know what is inside |
| 20:07.39 | sampiero | I know, but they're working |
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| 20:08.00 | ompaul | sampiero: we don't know what is wrong - you can rule things out one at a time |
| 20:08.16 | ompaul | sampiero: you can't rule them in by ignoring them |
| 20:08.38 | tremon | sampiero: you said it was kdm hanging, right, not the kde session? can you try another dm (gdm, lightdm, etc)? |
| 20:08.55 | sampiero | tremon: no the kde session |
| 20:09.34 | tremon | ok, but you need to restart kdm because that restarts X. got it |
| 20:09.45 | jmd | It's a shame that apt can't predict whether there exists enough diskspace for a install op. |
| 20:10.07 | sampiero | tremon: yes, X shows me the pointer and a black screen |
| 20:10.22 | ompaul | jmd: I'm sure the maintainers would love that patch |
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| 20:12.42 | petn-randall | jmd: problem is, not even all filesystems know that. |
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| 20:13.14 | jmd | petn-randall, know what? |
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| 20:13.49 | petn-randall | jmd: if there's enough disk space. |
| 20:14.22 | tremon | sampiero: it's from 2009, but have you seen http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=140140 |
| 20:14.29 | jmd | petn-randall, I've never seen a filesystem that doesn't know how much free space it has. |
| 20:14.39 | petn-randall | jmd: you know btrfs? :) |
| 20:14.45 | jmd | no |
| 20:14.58 | tremon | jmd: btrfs and ceph are two, ext4 can sometimes get its estimates very wrong |
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| 20:16.10 | sampiero | tremon: on the other machine I disabled all the desktop effects |
| 20:16.16 | sampiero | tremon: and it worked |
| 20:16.19 | petn-randall | thing is, it's not even that easy to say. If you have a filesystem which dynamically allocates inodes (ext[2-4] don't fall in this category), having lots of small files will leave less disk space for the content. |
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| 20:16.54 | petn-randall | ext[2-4] is more predictable in that case. If you run out of inodes, you simple can't add any more data :) |
| 20:17.23 | tremon | not quite, if you run out of inodes you can't create more files but existing files may still grow if you have free blocks ;) |
| 20:17.53 | jmd | Yeah. In 25 years of hacking I've never run out of inodes on a filesystem. |
| 20:18.04 | petn-randall | I did, once. |
| 20:18.08 | petn-randall | No fun :( |
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| 20:18.18 | tremon | I have. try unpacking a kernel on a largefile4 ext3 :) |
| 20:19.05 | petn-randall | It just takes a PHP application running amok, and creating millions of small files in /tmp. |
| 20:19.07 | sampiero | jmd: I once ran out: was an embedded arm system (TS7200) |
| 20:19.38 | tremon | sampiero: as it's still looking like an nvidia/kde thing, I would suggest you to try with the nouveau driver, to rule out which of the two it is |
| 20:19.57 | sampiero | tremon: nouveau sucks a lot |
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| 20:20.21 | sampiero | tremon: I haven't got 3d with nouveau |
| 20:20.22 | ompaul | sampiero: working machine works, if nouvaeu works and nvidia doesn't you'll be somewhat fixed |
| 20:20.34 | tremon | for varying definitions of suck, yeah. But I'm not suggesting a solution, I'm suggesting a method of troubleshooting |
| 20:20.47 | sampiero | tremon: yes I know |
| 20:20.55 | sampiero | tremon: I like your efforts |
| 20:21.13 | tremon | \o/ |
| 20:21.30 | ompaul | if they karmaed you here tremon you'd be getting some ;-) |
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| 20:28.51 | tremon | how's the climate there? I still need to plan my holidays |
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| 20:31.36 | GNU\colossus | tremon, cloudy, in some places. I'd avoid those. there's a lot less Sun than a few years ago as well. |
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| 20:35.26 | Emeritus | omg |
| 20:35.31 | Vicissitude | whoa |
| 20:35.33 | Monotoko | .... |
| 20:35.40 | Vicissitude | massive uncool |
| 20:35.48 | Monotoko | I can't load the blog |
| 20:35.49 | Emeritus | trols won another battle |
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| 20:36.30 | Emeritus | i guess its FB or bust |
| 20:36.45 | Vicissitude | can anyone load either of the two links? |
| 20:36.49 | Monotoko | nope |
| 20:36.55 | ChibaPet | I can't. |
| 20:36.56 | Cyclohexane | lol, instant ddos simulation |
| 20:37.17 | Cyclohexane | 80k users just hit the blog i guess |
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| 20:37.35 | Monotoko | goes and posts this on reddit |
| 20:37.35 | Emeritus | probablly running fedora server |
| 20:37.37 | Monotoko | :D |
| 20:37.39 | Emeritus | or ubuntu |
| 20:37.53 | Cyclohexane | :p |
| 20:38.06 | ompaul | is this #debian or #d-o? |
| 20:38.28 | ChibaPet | This one's #debian |
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| 20:39.18 | Monotoko | got one to load |
| 20:39.23 | Cyclohexane | #debian: https://plus.google.com/b/104326727082310562426/104326727082310562426/posts/CMW4Gst657v |
| 20:39.23 | Cyclohexane | backup |
| 20:39.26 | Monotoko | TLDR: "In practise it means very little" |
| 20:40.14 | Emeritus | reddit sucks |
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| 20:40.26 | Emeritus | reddit = 4chann |
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| 20:42.14 | Towzzer | someone just needs to ddos chanserv and talk about how much loved the premiere of futurama and it will be complete |
| 20:43.05 | Emeritus | Ms killed mr rob so it could setup shop on freenode ... |
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| 20:44.18 | canolucas | hi, wheneven i try to install a package i get dpkg: dependency problems: leaving unconfigured. but i don't know which package to uninstall. is there a way to make apt-get print what is the problem? thanks in advance |
| 20:45.39 | tremon | canolucas: paste the output of dpkg --configure -a |
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| 20:46.00 | tremon | (not in-channel) |
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| 20:47.46 | TheWarden | Hi, I'm trying to run mount command I keep getting this statement, mount: //192.168.0.4/c/Groups/Support/Backups/servers-linux is not a valid block device. |
| 20:48.02 | TheWarden | What does that mean? If I reduce the remote mounting point down to just //192.168.0.4/c it works without errors but I want it to mount to that location though. |
| 20:48.03 | TheWarden | yes the path exists, three other servers can mount to this. Only difference is this server is the domain controller and the other servers are not joined to the domain yet. |
| 20:48.30 | dizzylizzy | i can combine lvm + luks right? |
| 20:48.32 | tremon | TheWarden: is it a dfs mount point? |
| 20:48.39 | dizzylizzy | no problems with using luks on a logical volume? |
| 20:48.54 | canolucas | tremon: i basically get from a package : subprocess installed post-installation script returnederror exit status 255 |
| 20:49.07 | TheWarden | tremon: no, its just a NTFS share via Windows 7 Pro system. |
| 20:49.26 | tremon | dizzylizzy: I'd say it is best to put luks at the lowest layer, closest to the disk |
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| 20:50.50 | canolucas | tremon: is there a way to force the installation? |
| 20:50.54 | tremon | TheWarden: are the other servers debian as well? |
| 20:51.20 | TheWarden | tremon: yes the three other servers are Debian Squeeze as well and they can mount to the location fine. |
| 20:51.37 | dizzylizzy | okay, so /boot, encrypted, and extended to contain all others including logical |
| 20:52.04 | tremon | canolucas: yes, but we're not here to help people destroy their system. add set -x to the top of /var/lib/dpkg/info/$pkg.postinst |
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| 20:52.34 | canolucas | tremon, thanks |
| 20:52.40 | canolucas | tremon, or not :) |
| 20:52.41 | Deele | can you suggest... |
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| 20:52.56 | Deele | I'm connecting through sshfs from my html editor |
| 20:53.10 | tremon | TheWarden: any differences in packages? missing cifs-utils perhaps on the one server (then the kernel uses its built-in smb support)? |
| 20:53.11 | Deele | and creating new folder/files inside web root |
| 20:53.34 | Deele | what should I do, so those files would be owned by www-data and set 775 perms? |
| 20:53.42 | tremon | dizzylizzy: not sure what you're asking, but you only need two partitions, /boot and luks |
| 20:53.52 | Deele | without me, connecting to ssh and setting chown/chmod |
| 20:54.00 | dizzylizzy | tremon, I want my encrypted partition separate from all of my other partitions |
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| 20:54.22 | tremon | ok, then 3 |
| 20:54.31 | dizzylizzy | physical, that is |
| 20:54.33 | dizzylizzy | physical partitions |
| 20:54.59 | dizzylizzy | MBR partitions to be more specific |
| 20:55.02 | tremon | Deele: set the sgid bit (g+s) on the dir and its subdirs (man chmod) |
| 20:55.08 | dizzylizzy | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:55.23 | dizzylizzy | sorry, I know this is stupid :-/ I just hate being stuck with something I can't work with |
| 20:55.26 | tremon | dizzylizzy: you don't need extended partitions, just 3 primary will be enough |
| 20:55.42 | dizzylizzy | right, one of the primary partitions IS the extended partition |
| 20:55.48 | dizzylizzy | which contains all other partitions... right? |
| 20:56.03 | TheWarden | tremon: oh crap, I think you are on to something. I didn't think of that. Let me check. |
| 20:56.05 | tremon | only if you need more than four partitions... |
| 20:56.11 | dizzylizzy | and I will |
| 20:56.18 | Deele | tremon, ok, I will read man |
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| 20:58.13 | TheWarden | mmm if I install cifs-utils it installes samba-common and samba-common-bin. Now is that going to conflict with Samba 4 install I have? |
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| 20:58.32 | TheWarden | I know this is kind of a #samba question but it also Debian based too |
| 20:58.43 | kstar | I've a problem playing a MOV file. Here's what mplayer says: http://paste.kde.org/700244/ |
| 20:58.45 | tremon | TheWarden: apt will tell you if it will (I don't know) |
| 20:59.03 | TheWarden | tremon: it will tell me if it will mess things up or not? |
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| 20:59.49 | tremon | TheWarden: no it will tell you if the packages conflict. I would assume that if there were known incompatibilities, the debian maintainers would have made the packages conflict |
| 20:59.55 | TheWarden | oh man, makes me nervous doing this as I don't want to mess this up. I've spent like two weeks on this server getting it working. |
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| 21:00.15 | tremon | TheWarden: backups, snapshot and rollback? |
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| 21:01.01 | tremon | kstar: "Maybe broken file"... |
| 21:01.09 | TheWarden | tremon: yeah but I installed samba 4 via git so its in /usr/local/samba |
| 21:02.11 | kstar | tremon: I think it was playable on a Mac. It's possible that Apple has done something evil for which workarounds haven't trickled down into Linux yet. |
| 21:02.17 | TheWarden | tremon: well no backup yet, I was just working on it now granted the backup just takes important files so that if the system needs to be re-installed the critical files and be put back. |
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| 21:03.21 | tremon | ah... yeah, then you need to ask in #samba. I don't think it will be a problem though, dpkg will not overwrite existing files that it doesn't control (is your samba4 config in /usr/local/etc)? |
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| 21:08.04 | Aktau | Good evening |
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| 21:08.09 | Aktau | My server just hung |
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| 21:08.22 | Aktau | Screen turned off, attaching other screen didn't help |
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| 21:08.30 | Aktau | ssh'ing in would just hang |
| 21:08.38 | Aktau | The only thing that worked was ping |
| 21:08.44 | Aktau | Now I'm at a loss for how to diagnose this |
| 21:08.53 | tremon | dead disk? |
| 21:09.11 | Aktau | I rebooted and looking in /var/log/messages but don't see anything that's even remotely close to the moment it happened |
| 21:09.21 | Aktau | The disk seems fine |
| 21:09.28 | Aktau | And I'm running memtest86+ right now |
| 21:09.33 | ksuhku | disk full? |
| 21:09.54 | Aktau | It's 320GB and I just installed it, I would be surprised, but I will check just in case |
| 21:10.18 | Aktau | So strange that pinyin worked |
| 21:10.28 | Aktau | But I couldn't even ssh in anymore |
| 21:10.33 | tremon | how long did you wait for the ssh session to connect? |
| 21:10.45 | Aktau | Pretty long, for minutes surely |
| 21:10.49 | Aktau | And I'm on the same LAN |
| 21:11.20 | tremon | did the server respond to the soft-off button or did you powercycle? |
| 21:12.19 | Aktau | It didn't seem to do anything with soft-off |
| 21:12.25 | Aktau | I had to keep it pressed for a few seconds |
| 21:13.12 | Aktau | I used ssh-v, and it did say "connection established" |
| 21:13.16 | Aktau | But then it hung |
| 21:13.50 | tremon | there's very little you can do if the server is now running fine and there's nothing in the logs, except to prepare for the next time it happens. Set up remote logging, activity monitoring (sysstat) |
| 21:13.57 | Aktau | Even with a kernel panic I see output, but this is even worse |
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| 21:14.29 | tremon | maybe even a cron job to write/touch a file every N minutes as some form of heartbeat monitoring |
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| 21:14.40 | Aktau | Hehe, that's a cool idea |
| 21:14.55 | Aktau | I wonder though, I see nothing at all in /var/log/messages |
| 21:15.05 | Aktau | Does that point to a hardware issue? |
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| 21:15.25 | Aktau | I mean, what could provoke linux to behave so unstably? Nothing so stupid as a few user land apps, no? |
| 21:15.32 | tremon | most hardware issues don't solve themselves with a reboot |
| 21:15.43 | tremon | the only one that does is a pci/interrupt storm |
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| 21:16.24 | Aktau | I'm also wondering why it would just pop up suddenly and then be gone |
| 21:16.38 | Aktau | I guess I would feel better if it's something with the hardware and not the setup |
| 21:16.45 | Aktau | Not that I'm doing exotic things |
| 21:16.54 | Aktau | stock apache, mongodb, redis, chromium, mplayer |
| 21:17.09 | Aktau | I use VA-API for videos |
| 21:17.26 | Aktau | But I'm not sure if those kinds of video drivers can bring the system down |
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| 21:17.39 | Aktau | Usually video crashes just make X hang but ssh chugs on |
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| 21:18.16 | tremon | you can always blame nvidia if it makes you feel better :) |
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| 21:18.51 | Aktau | Oh it was the stock intel driver with debian wheezy |
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| 21:19.07 | Aktau | How could I get logging like this guy? http://efreedom.com/Question/2-244712/Server-Responding-SSH-HTTP-Ping-Works |
| 21:19.08 | tremon | if some video crash causes the video card to hog the pci-express bus, you'd be seeing this too |
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| 21:19.16 | Aktau | hmm |
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| 21:20.50 | tremon | Aktau: the difference between ssh and ping is that ssh usually requires reads from the disk (to start back, read your .bashrc). Which is why I mentioned remote logging, because nothing will get written to the local disk if it's causing the problem |
| 21:21.11 | tremon | http of course depends, whether it's serving from cache/other disk or not |
| 21:21.23 | tremon | s/back/bash/ |
| 21:21.28 | Aktau | Oh ok |
| 21:21.37 | Aktau | Installing sys stat would be a good start, no? |
| 21:21.57 | Aktau | As you can see, I'm very unexperienced when it comes to anything linux |
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| 21:22.10 | tremon | yes, but sysstat will write its monitoring logs to the local disk (unless you tell it otherwise) |
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| 21:22.22 | tremon | at this point you'll need to cast a wide net |
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| 21:22.57 | tremon | otoh, if sysstat is still happily logging you can be sure it's not the disk |
| 21:23.17 | tremon | depends on how much time you have to resolve this, and how long you have to wait between hangs |
| 21:23.43 | Aktau | A good guess is that I might wait another week for another crash |
| 21:23.53 | Aktau | The funny thing is, this morning I saw the first kernel panic in my life |
| 21:24.01 | Aktau | On the same machine |
| 21:24.05 | Aktau | Maybe something really is up |
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| 21:24.26 | tremon | memtest never hurt anything but uptime |
| 21:24.28 | Aktau | Time is not that relevant, I need to solve this if I want to successfully deliver my project |
| 21:24.38 | Aktau | Performing memtest as we speak ;) |
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| 21:24.51 | tremon | O |
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| 21:25.30 | Aktau | First pass done, no problems |
| 21:25.39 | Aktau | That's actually bad, I had hoped it would be faulty ram |
| 21:25.46 | tremon | sometimes errors don't appear until a few runs have passed |
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| 21:26.29 | tremon | some errors depend on refresh cycles, and memtest relocates itself between runs |
| 21:26.45 | tremon | I always leave it running overnight |
| 21:27.07 | Aktau | Yes it does appear to take a long time |
| 21:27.15 | Aktau | I'll leave it running and install sys stat later |
| 21:27.24 | Aktau | I hope that will help me get to the bottom of this |
| 21:27.34 | Aktau | Already thanks a lot for helping me out tremon, I appreciate it |
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| 21:31.18 | OSvaido | Police Department of Personnel Computer no longer runs freende |
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| 21:33.20 | Posterdati | tremon |
| 21:33.32 | Posterdati | tremon: hi I'm sampiero |
| 21:33.52 | Posterdati | tremon: as I told you, removing all effects from kde desktop seems to fix the problem |
| 21:34.11 | tremon | you don't look the same, are you sure? |
| 21:34.16 | tremon | ;) |
| 21:34.21 | sampiero | sampiero: yes |
| 21:34.28 | sampiero | tremon: yes |
| 21:34.45 | tremon | ah, now you look familiar |
| 21:35.19 | tremon | does the system still hang if you try to run a 3d-app from within kde? |
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| 21:37.48 | sampiero | tremon: oolite works ok |
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| 21:44.56 | petn-randall | yay, Oolite :) |
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| 21:53.41 | cafuego | I don't think it can be done safely. |
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| 22:23.19 | OSvaido | how does debian fell about ubuntu ripping of its base? |
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| 22:24.10 | mtn | OSvaido: war!! |
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| 22:24.41 | rww | There are plenty of Debian derivatives. If anything, it shows how good of a base Debian is. Since this is a support channel, and we can only support what we know, though, we only support Debian here. |
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| 22:26.47 | OSvaido | debian was my 1st distro err knoppix |
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| 22:27.51 | OSvaido | knoppix= debian testing |
| 22:27.54 | peterrooney | the whole point of the various DFSG licenses is that others may use it. |
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| 22:29.25 | OSvaido | !seen abrotman |
| 22:29.26 | Pei | abrotman!~abrotman@pdpc/supporter/active/abrotman is currently on #debian |
| 22:29.26 | dpkg | abrotman is currently on #debian-ops (9h 47m 21s) #debian (9h 47m 21s). Has said a total of 7 messages. Is idling for 8h 27m 50s, last said: 'user01: it's an option, yes .. '. |
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| 22:30.25 | OSvaido | abrotman@pdpc |
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| 22:30.34 | rww | and...? |
| 22:30.40 | OSvaido | can abrotman make the non ops list now? |
| 22:31.12 | rww | raises an eyebrow |
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| 22:33.00 | petn-randall | don't make him raise the other one! |
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| 22:33.47 | OSvaido | winks |
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| 22:34.40 | OSvaido | im a pro live person really |
| 22:34.44 | themill | points towards #debian-offtopic |
| 22:34.45 | OSvaido | life* |
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| 22:41.12 | minimec | Hi. I am working on a script (daemon) to modify in some special cases. For that I have to listen for changes of the '/sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_governor' file. Unfortunately my idea to compare the 'timestamps doen0t work with the /sys/... directory. Would you have an idea, how to 'listen' on file changes in /sys/... ? |
| 22:41.34 | minimec | ... modify '/sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_max_freq' ;) |
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| 22:43.55 | mutante | minimec: cat the content to > /tmp/something and on next run "if diff -q /tmp/something /sys/devices/... " ? |
| 22:45.21 | abrotman | Pei: turn that off |
| 22:46.09 | brontosaurusrex | what would be "ls -t | tail" is bash script? |
| 22:46.33 | abrotman | brontosaurusrex: ask #bash |
| 22:46.35 | minimec | mutante: That's interesting... I did something like that. In fact I create a starter in the panel (that modifies a file) , and the daemon is listening to that file. So the approach is similar I guess. |
| 22:46.54 | abrotman | looks at OSvaido |
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| 22:47.49 | minimec | brontosaurusrex: Well.. I tried to compare two hassums like that ..."checkSum1=`ls -lR $GOVERNORFILE | awk '{sum += $5} END{print sum}'`" That didn't work. |
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| 22:48.29 | minimec | brontosaurusrex: So 'ls -l' did not work. I will try your option. |
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| 22:54.46 | Tramp | minimec: why don't you simply read the content, keep it in a variable and compare it later? |
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| 22:55.30 | john_rambo | nmap is showing some ports open ........http://paste.ubuntu.com/5629694/ How to close them ? |
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| 22:55.55 | minimec | Tramp: You are absolutely right. I will do that. ;) THX |
| 22:56.11 | Tramp | blinding flash of the obvious .... - you're welcome :) |
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| 22:56.20 | themill | john_rambo: these are on localhost -- they are not internet facing |
| 22:56.55 | john_rambo | themill, Okay I will leave these then |
| 22:57.00 | petn-randall | minimec: use inotify |
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| 22:57.13 | minimec | Tramp: I found that nice code snippet in the web and it worked perfectly with some local files in my /home directory... ;) |
| 22:57.31 | pengol | hi there ... I have deleted the partition table on a sd card ... now I can't get the whole space available with fdisk any help on how can I restore it's actual space? |
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| 22:58.22 | petn-randall | john_rambo: use a firewall. Though I don't recommend blocking stuff on loopback. |
| 22:58.24 | minimec | petn-randall: inotify. Another approach. I found the python 'pynotify' solution, but didn't want to dig into that. Thx also. |
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| 22:58.37 | petn-randall | minimec: you're welcome |
| 22:58.37 | mallxs | is there a default for udhcpd where it looks for the config or should i tell that in /etc/defaults ? |
| 22:58.50 | john_rambo | petn-randall, I am using Gufw & its enabled |
| 22:59.10 | petn-randall | john_rambo: well, for good reasons it doesn't block anything on loopback. |
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| 22:59.32 | john_rambo | petn-randall, Okay |
| 22:59.45 | dougwiser | pengol: gparted |
| 22:59.46 | petn-randall | john_rambo: if you want to know if the ports are closed from the outside, you have to scan from another machine. |
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| 23:00.19 | john_rambo | petn-randall, I have only 1 PC |
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| 23:00.51 | petn-randall | john_rambo: if you're not behind a router, you can use https://www.grc.com/x/ne.dll?bh0bkyd2 |
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| 23:01.48 | john_rambo | petn-randall, I am actually behind my roter's firewall but still I wanted to make sure that the linux side is secure |
| 23:02.54 | angs | I have a squeeze and lenny devices. I write wconfig commands on /etc/rc.local but the devices do not get the iwconfig settings, I doubt /etc/rc.local does not run the script when the devices are powered. However, I do the same procedure on ubuntu devices, they work fine. I wonder if /etc/rc.local works different on debian? |
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| 23:04.12 | petn-randall | john_rambo: I see. If you have a smartphone there are portscanner apps you could try. |
| 23:04.24 | Bronze | Hi, I'm planning on making a debian based USB Bootable flashdrive for a system with 12 Gb of RAM. I've noticed all the USB systems I have tried so far will not use any more than 4 GB of RAM. [note all of those were created using pendrivelinux] is this an inherent limitation od can all 12 GB be used when using a USB booted debian? |
| 23:04.31 | petn-randall | john_rambo: The device only needs to be in the same net as your computer. |
| 23:04.38 | Bronze | s/od/or |
| 23:05.24 | john_rambo | petn-randall, Okay I will give it a try |
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| 23:20.24 | CyberGabber | Vraaghetmaar: Toch bedankt voor het meedenken |
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| 23:31.53 | wood_quinn | Best practice question, the FHS says no executable files should be placed under /etc. Does Debian's init system use executable files under /etc? |
| 23:32.10 | wood_quinn | I know Slackware, the distro I currently use, does. |
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| 23:33.19 | petn-randall | wood_quinn: all the init script reside in /etc/init.d/, so yes. |
| 23:33.29 | wood_quinn | Interesting. I wonder why. |
| 23:33.44 | wood_quinn | (Other than it obviously being a pretty convinient way to do it. |
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| 23:35.11 | petn-randall | wood_quinn: AFAIR the FHS states it shouldn't have *binaries*, it doesn't say anything about executables. |
| 23:36.21 | wood_quinn | Ah that might be the case. |
| 23:38.09 | petn-randall | wood_quinn: Though debian has FHS packages, there is no implications that it adheres to FHS. Debian may not fully adhere to FHS, I don't know how far it's implemented yet. |
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| 23:49.20 | OmnipotentEntity | I have some dmesg spam that I wanted some help with, anyone know why I get "CE chan 1, bank 0, rank 2, syndrome 0xbeffff00, cas 832, ras 82501, csrow 8, label "DIMM3": correctable patrol data ECC" ? |
| 23:49.42 | OmnipotentEntity | it's once a second, but the computer passes memtest86 |
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