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| 00:06.51 | alanjf | Does anyone know where exactly "dpkg --print-architecture" gets that value from? |
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| 00:07.26 | Nik05 | somewhere in its configuration files :P |
| 00:08.08 | Nik05 | alanjf what do you want to do? |
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| 00:10.29 | ren_ | hi |
| 00:10.35 | ren_ | I'm a bit confused |
| 00:10.40 | ren_ | setting up IPv6 |
| 00:10.54 | ren_ | I need to have a route to my gateway added |
| 00:11.01 | ren_ | manually it works |
| 00:11.04 | ren_ | however |
| 00:11.34 | ren_ | the command doesnt work when i put it as post-up in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 00:12.13 | ren_ | here it is : route -A inet6 add default gw 2001:41d0:8:41FF:FF:FF:FF:FF dev eth0 |
| 00:13.45 | mgodzilla | debian squeeze 6.0 - what command do i issue to find a file? wild card dot extension? |
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| 00:22.26 | OmnipotentEntity | mgodzilla, find . -name "*.ext" doesn't work? |
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| 00:24.59 | mutante | mgodzilla: or .. updatedb ; locate *.jpg |
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| 00:44.17 | andkore | I'm trying to get my laptop's builtin mic to work. how should I start troubleshooting this? |
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| 00:51.21 | p8m | andkore: 'arecord -l' should list detected input devices |
| 00:51.53 | Bronze | andkore: and audacity is a nice audioo recording tool you can use to do a sanity check with |
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| 00:53.27 | andkore | Bronze: yeah, audacity throws some errors when I launch it, and it doesn't record |
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| 00:53.56 | andkore | card 0: PCH [HDA Intel PCH], device 0: ALC272 Analog [ALC272 Analog] <-- only shows one input device, but I should have two (input jack and the builtin mic) |
| 00:54.03 | Bronze | I'll bet those errors could be helpful in tracking the problem dowm |
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| 00:55.10 | p8m | andkore: Do you see "Subdevice"s? |
| 00:55.33 | andkore | <PROTECTED> |
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| 01:26.56 | ManoftheSea | shouldn't "dpkg-reconfigure -a -u" be a harmless operation? |
| 01:28.17 | ManoftheSea | it doesn't seem to remember "seen" questions, and asks me every time to answer the same questions. |
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| 01:41.03 | fellipe | hi. I am running: rsync -av / fellipe@192.168.0.40:/home/fellipe/backup_debian/filesystem/ --exclude={/proc/*,/sys/*,/tmp/*,/var/run/*,/mnt/*,/media/*,/lost+found,/home/*/.gvfs} and then I rsync back in a new disk mounted in /mnt, booted with a live cd. When I try chroot /mnt I get "chroot: failed to run command: '/bin/bash' : No such file or directory. What's wrong? |
| 01:41.18 | mitch|grounded | When using the hd-media method to install debian, do I have to use a initrd? |
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| 02:31.09 | germnboy8 | http://comwet.wix.com/realgirlsdatingadult ADULT DATING SITE HOT GIRLS HOT BOYS HOT CPL HOT MOVIES HOT GALLERY ENJOYY |
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| 02:38.52 | Konomi | pokes eir |
| 02:39.40 | Corey | ? |
| 02:39.44 | rww | ¿ |
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| 02:43.37 | psychonate | Hello, I have just installed Wheezy and would like to try the proprietary radeon driver on this laptop, which has a Mobility HD 4200. The Debian wiki page indicates that support for this adapter was dropped prior to 1:12-6~beta~1, and the only version I see available in Wheezy is newer than that. The wiki states that one should use the fglrx-legacy package, but I only see that for Sid. Do I have any good options besides using AMD's |
| 02:43.37 | psychonate | generic package/installer? Thanks. |
| 02:44.35 | Konomi | you could try the one from experimental but it current hasa bug where it only shows a black screen' |
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| 02:44.49 | Konomi | I've been following the whole pain that is running ati on debian atm |
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| 02:45.31 | johnfg | hi folks |
| 02:45.40 | dvs | Pain? I have no probs here. |
| 02:45.53 | Konomi | do you use one of the older cards? |
| 02:46.22 | dvs | Konomi: My previous laptop had the HD 4200 in it. |
| 02:46.24 | johnfg | I haven't been using nfs that long on squeeze, as I've mainly used and use openafs. |
| 02:46.44 | Konomi | dvs: I have a friend who has a 4200 and he always gets a black screen as has been reported for the package |
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| 02:47.09 | dvs | Konomi: I used the open-source drivers. |
| 02:47.17 | Konomi | oh that's a different story then |
| 02:47.40 | Konomi | not everyone can rely on the open source ones |
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| 02:47.54 | johnfg | However, nfs is acting kinda strange. I don't have any exported shares in /etc/fstab, but after doing a mount of an export, it seems like that directory is hung up,or hanging things. |
| 02:47.59 | Konomi | psychonate: I'd try apt pinning experimental so you can at least try the legacy package if that fails I'd go to amds installer |
| 02:48.25 | Konomi | I already have to use nvidia's installer on testing because I can't get certain multiarch packages due to dependancy issues the maintainers are not solving |
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| 02:48.43 | johnfg | for example: I do: 'mount 10.8.0.6:/home/<user>/ /mnt/temp' and all seems fine. |
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| 02:49.18 | psychonate | Konomi, my only concern with the unstable package is it looks like the current version is perhaps TOO old--i.e. ancient. |
| 02:49.25 | psychonate | I may roll the dice on AMD's installer. |
| 02:49.36 | Konomi | I've never used amds installer |
| 02:49.44 | johnfg | But, if I reboot 10.8.0.6, it doesn't show up with df, but causes df to hang. And If I cd to /mnt, it hangs, as well as doing an ls of /mnt. |
| 02:49.55 | johnfg | Is this any kind of known problem? |
| 02:50.02 | Konomi | if you do try experimental and it does the black screen thing http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=684654 |
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| 02:50.23 | Konomi | posting their might encourage more progress on the issue if they see more users are dealing with it |
| 02:51.05 | abrotman | there |
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| 02:53.27 | johnfg | One more thing to add about the problem, I can't effectively restart nfs-kernel-server. |
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| 02:54.01 | johnfg | If I try to unmount: umount /mnt/temp I get: umount.nfs: /mnt/temp: device is busy |
| 02:54.08 | johnfg | Any ideas? |
| 02:54.51 | reavengrey | Welp, sounds like the device is busy :O |
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| 02:55.13 | johnfg | But I'm not on it anywhere :-( |
| 02:55.36 | psychonate | Did you double-check with 'fuser'? |
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| 02:55.41 | Konomi | lsof | grep '/mnt/tmp' |
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| 02:56.19 | psychonate | Anyway, I am going to give this AMD installer a try. Wish me luck. Thanks. |
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| 02:56.42 | johnfg | Konomi: I'm running that cmd, but it appears to hang too. |
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| 02:56.55 | abrotman | johnfg: takes awhile sometimes |
| 02:57.11 | johnfg | abrotman: k. |
| 02:57.43 | abrotman | johnfg: meaning a minute or two |
| 02:57.44 | Konomi | yeah it does take some time |
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| 02:58.52 | johnfg | it's still running, returning nothing: just a cursor on the line. |
| 02:59.13 | johnfg | that line almost sounds like a song! |
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| 02:59.51 | Konomi | try lsof +D /mnt/temp/* |
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| 03:00.18 | johnfg | Konomi: I'll have to kill it to try it again. |
| 03:00.29 | Konomi | mise well |
| 03:00.37 | Konomi | this is a more specific search it shouldn't take as long |
| 03:00.43 | Konomi | if it does something is a miss |
| 03:01.00 | Konomi | you shoud see if dmesg has any info about hangs accessing the drive or something |
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| 03:05.35 | johnfg | nope, it's hung too. |
| 03:05.41 | johnfg | i'll check dmesg. |
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| 03:14.15 | johnfg | http://bpaste.net/show/dzmJx7F51AoAqUopR9qT/ some relevant stuff from dmesg. |
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| 03:14.42 | johnfg | I can't even kill, with ctl-c that lsof +D /mnt/temp/* |
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| 03:14.57 | Konomi | killall -s 9 lsof |
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| 03:15.01 | abrotman | there is a dirty umount IIRC |
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| 03:16.42 | johnfg | abrotman: how do i clean up the dirty umount? which *I* didn't do. |
| 03:17.25 | johnfg | And the kill cmd doesn't work, I'll have to close urxvt/tmux and be right back. |
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| 03:18.09 | johnfg | k,i'm back. |
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| 03:18.21 | abrotman | johnfg: it sounds like your processes are waiting for IO possibly in a D state? |
| 03:18.37 | johnfg | D state? |
| 03:18.56 | reavengrey | ACPI device power states |
| 03:19.20 | abrotman | blinks |
| 03:19.21 | johnfg | How to correct this problem? |
| 03:19.26 | reavengrey | Kk, nvm then |
| 03:19.47 | reavengrey | ACPI device power states go from D0 - D3 |
| 03:21.03 | Tramp | he was talking about uninterruptible sleep, not ACPI |
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| 03:25.08 | jwilliams_ | a quick question. is it possible using apt to centralizedly deploy packages to large amount of machines e.g. more than 10 machines? |
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| 03:27.51 | ChibaPet | jwilliams_: You probably want Chef or Puppet or somesuch. Apt doesn't offer a push mechanism. |
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| 03:29.55 | ChibaPet | jwilliams_: Alternately, there's cron-apt. I wouldn't recommend uncontrolled updates, though. |
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| 03:30.30 | ChibaPet | for foo in list of machines; do ssh $foo "sudo aptitude update; sudo aptitude full-upgrade"; done |
| 03:30.37 | ChibaPet | or something like that, might be better |
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| 03:31.30 | ChibaPet | maybe ssh -t $foo ... to catch possible interactions |
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| 03:38.05 | trollboy | So I tried to set my screen res to 1024/768 to test a site, and my screen went haywire.. I waited to hope it would switch back... is there a nifty way to set the res back to normal from cli? |
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| 03:38.14 | jwilliams_ | ChibaPet: thank you. will evaluate them. |
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| 03:38.52 | sencha | trollboy, xrandr |
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| 03:44.03 | trollboy | sencha can't open display |
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| 03:44.26 | trollboy | I have to hit ctrl+alt+f7 to enter the shell |
| 03:46.34 | trollboy | anyone else? |
| 03:46.51 | sencha | trollboy, DISPLAY=:0 xrandr |
| 03:47.07 | sencha | trollboy, read the manpage for xrandr to see what options are necessary to set the display resolution |
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| 04:10.58 | starbuck | hello |
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| 04:11.50 | starbuck | i have installed a new system and the sound is not working, lspci doesnt even find the soundcard, it's a alc655 onboard chip |
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| 04:47.39 | g0dfrey | I have another problem with my laptop...if i plug in my headphone, the onboard spraker is still on...so how to disable the speaker on plugging my headphone? |
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| 05:01.08 | hashem | g0dfrey, it should automatically mute the internal speaker. If you're using GNOME, the default UI, in System Settings > Sound you should be able to disable one or the other |
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| 05:06.23 | hdevalence | How do I take apart a .deb, modify the contents, and then re-archive it? |
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| 05:07.19 | hdevalence | I need to apply a patch to the .debs the fglrx installer makes so that they'll work with my kernel |
| 05:07.39 | hdevalence | so I can't just fix it prior to creation |
| 05:08.36 | g0dfrey | hashem: I'm using pulseaudio and KDE and can't set with alsamixer |
| 05:09.15 | ParkerR | hdevalence, dpkg -x extracts |
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| 05:26.20 | hdevalence | ParkerR: thanks, that did the trick |
| 05:27.09 | hdevalence | well, did the trick in that it removes this particular obstruction to having working drivers |
| 05:27.31 | hdevalence | AMD have put in many, as a sort of adventure game |
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| 05:44.08 | piko | Hello, I am looking for a way how to have multiple versions of a program installed at the same time on Debian. I know how to build the packages on my own and install e.g. using stow but I am wondering if there isn't a better Debian way. |
| 05:44.57 | piko | Just to answer the obivous question why - I am in a testing environment and for test purposes I need to have several versions of few tools installed to be able to run my tests. |
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| 05:48.26 | themill | piko: if you're looking at debian packages the easiest way is probably to use chroots for each version. schroot makes this pretty easy. Alternatively you could make your own .debs but each package has to have a different name (foo-1.0, foo-1.1, foo-1.2 etc) and the same file path can't be in two of those packages at the same time. |
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| 05:50.54 | Enturn | what's common in packaging problems? |
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| 05:51.21 | piko | well but having chroots means actually that the base system utilities have to be installed also ... so it may take few hundreds of megabytes of additional space |
| 05:51.41 | piko | Enturn: what do you mean? |
| 05:52.28 | Enturn | shared object files... dependencies... requirements...? |
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| 05:52.47 | piko | themill: not that the space would be so much limiting and you are right that having chroots gives actually perfect environment for repeateability of tests in exactly given environment |
| 05:54.05 | piko | Enturn: just few packages that need to be installed in different versions at the same time ... so just executables, no libraries (AFAIK the package is quite selfcontained not depending on many external libs) |
| 05:54.30 | themill | piko: if your "testing environment" is trying to test squeeze vs wheezy vs releases of various derivatives, then chroots will be much better than trying to bodge LD_PRELOAD or PATH or similar to get different versions in play |
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| 05:56.17 | piko | themill: well, this is not targeted to testing of Debian versions but to analyzing network traffic ... and I've been already caught in problems of having different behaviour (error messages, changes in the output) of few tools I use for that. |
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| 05:58.18 | rwp | piko, Just brainstorming (I use chroots for this) but could you set up a dir tree with your specific versions and then adjust PATH to select the one you want? |
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| 05:58.51 | rwp | You mentioned 'stow'. That is also a good for locally compiled tools. |
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| 05:59.17 | rwp | But if the programs are simple and work from PATH then you could just unpack the different debs into different directories. |
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| 06:00.31 | themill | unpacked .debs don't necessarily work and rebasing packages often doesn't work out as desired |
| 06:00.33 | piko | rwp: right, that is one option, but when I think about that, I will probably go with chroots to be sure of what the environment reslly is |
| 06:00.41 | piko | thanks all |
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| 06:00.56 | themill | chroots use more disk space but are a lot easier to set up and maintain |
| 06:01.46 | rwp | themill, Agreed. Which is why I said "if the programs are simple and work from PATH". :-) |
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| 06:03.00 | themill | yeah, it's libraries/modules/plugins that tend to be the most problematic -- they may involve their own search path and want registering |
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| 06:04.19 | roboman2444 | hm |
| 06:04.41 | roboman2444 | so anyone here have/know of a good script to automatically reconnect to a wifi network? |
| 06:05.06 | roboman2444 | currently i rigged up a loop that just greps iwconfig for the essid, and if not, connects to it |
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| 06:05.42 | themill | .o0(network-manager does that quite nicely) |
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| 06:05.54 | roboman2444 | entire cli |
| 06:06.01 | roboman2444 | no GNOME stuff |
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| 06:42.38 | dizzylizzy | <3 |
| 06:42.40 | Enturn | what's the difference between this channel on Freenode and OFTC? |
| 06:42.56 | dizzylizzy | OFTC is the official debian help channel |
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| 06:45.34 | jelly-home | Enturn: this one's larger! |
| 06:47.14 | Enturn | surprisingly. |
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| 06:49.28 | dizzylizzy | it's not that big of a surprise to me, Enturn. Most tech types who use IRC are on Freenode already, while not as many will already be on OFTC |
| 06:49.53 | dizzylizzy | same reason so many of my social channels are on this network too, people with similar interests were already here |
| 06:50.59 | piko | rwp: I was thinking about having a dir tree and actually i tried that approach but I have fear from external dependencies ... |
| 06:51.24 | peterrooney | Also, the website is kinda ambiguous: http://www.debian.org/support says at one point, "IRC channels dedicated to Debian can be found on OFTC" and then later says, "Once you have the client installed, you need to tell it to connect to the server. In most clients, you can do that by typing: /server irc.debian.org" |
| 06:51.27 | piko | roboman2444: how about trying an good old way - a simple play with interfaces? |
| 06:51.43 | peterrooney | OK, that's definitely ambiguous. |
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| 06:52.11 | peterrooney | Nobody uses irc.debian.org, not even the people who use it. |
| 06:52.14 | piko | roboman2444: I mean really have it configured in /etc/init.d/networking and have the wpa and dhcpcd started |
| 06:52.52 | piko | roboman2444: not sure how this actually works on debian since I have it on servers but on my GEntoo laptop this works nicely and enabled me to get rid of NetworkManager |
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| 06:54.05 | roboman2444 | piko i know that can do start on boot |
| 06:54.10 | roboman2444 | but i want reconnect |
| 06:54.15 | roboman2444 | if the wifi goes down |
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| 07:04.34 | dizzylizzy | how do I print information about user "user", such as their uid |
| 07:04.53 | dizzylizzy | usermod doesn't seem to have that function |
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| 07:08.03 | dizzylizzy | "id" |
| 07:09.33 | dizzylizzy | sometimes I feel like there are a lot of very basic commands I don't know |
| 07:10.20 | dizzylizzy | I sure do like adding new ones to my toolkit! :) |
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| 07:10.37 | dizzylizzy | I think I'll get a linux command-line basics book from the library |
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| 07:11.29 | ariqs | I tend to have the same feeling about linux. I don't see the big picture about how everything works together. Sometimes I question if there is one, and it's not just a bunch of stuff thrown together in a mess |
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| 07:13.40 | needle | ariqs: you say it linux is just a bunch of software thrown together, that is not the case on BSD. |
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| 07:14.40 | needle | however I don't have the feeling you are really searching for help ariqs |
| 07:14.54 | ariqs | needle: I said that is my feeling. I do not know enough to have an actual conviction ;) |
| 07:15.36 | ariqs | yeah, I actually came in here to find out when wheeze or whatever is expected |
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| 07:16.07 | ariqs | as my current distro is backtrack, and I find it silly to dedicate an OS to hacking/cracking |
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| 07:21.45 | dizzylizzy | ariqs, wheezy will be ready when the release-critical bugs for wheezy reach 0 in number |
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| 07:21.47 | dizzylizzy | !wheezy |
| 07:21.48 | dpkg | The release following squeeze will be called "wheezy" (the rubber toy penguin with a red bow tie) and will be Debian 7.0. Wheezy was frozen on June 30, 2012. Ask me about <testing>, <freeze>. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianWheezy #debian-next on irc.debian.org. |
| 07:22.02 | lime_ | What is the likelihood i get a virus running windows in a VM? |
| 07:22.32 | dizzylizzy | About that of running Windows, since that's what you're doing. If you do get a virus it will be contained to the VM AFAIK |
| 07:22.33 | jelly-home | lime_: not different than running it on real hardware |
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| 07:23.15 | lime_ | serisousy? I figured it would it would be atleast a little more secure |
| 07:23.23 | ariqs | <dizzylizzy> ariqs, wheezy will be ready when the release-critical bugs for wheezy reach 0 in number <-- where is the count kept? |
| 07:23.55 | lime_ | jelly-home: I mean getting a virus in the host os from the guest os |
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| 07:24.23 | dizzylizzy | ariqs, http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/other/testing.html |
| 07:24.34 | jelly-home | lime_: there are not many of those capable of escaping the guest yet. |
| 07:24.38 | dizzylizzy | looks like 102 left. they've been making a lot of progress, wow |
| 07:24.57 | ariqs | 102 seems like a lot |
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| 07:25.00 | dizzylizzy | lime_, I'd be impressed by a virus that can infect both windows AND linux with the same instance |
| 07:25.24 | dizzylizzy | ariqs, it was ~150 about a week ago |
| 07:25.24 | ariqs | what was it before? heh |
| 07:25.28 | ariqs | ah |
| 07:25.32 | jelly-home | !rc bugs |
| 07:25.32 | dpkg | Release-Critical bugs are Debian bugs with critical, grave or serious severities, preventing the next release of Debian. See the graph at http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/ or the lists at http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/other/all.html http://udd.debian.org/bugs.cgi?release=squeeze&patch=ign&pending=ign&merged=ign&done=ign&rc=1 . See also <rc-alert>. |
| 07:25.36 | ariqs | so maybe a month left, eh? |
| 07:25.38 | dizzylizzy | check http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/ and you'll see over 1500 total |
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| 07:26.42 | ariqs | why are 204 being ignored? |
| 07:27.21 | rww | I note that one reason it went from 150 to 102 in a week is that the release team did a bit of a cleanup. It isn't going down by 50 every week from now on, unless things become atypical ;) |
| 07:27.35 | dizzylizzy | ::) |
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| 07:27.59 | rww | ( http://richardhartmann.de/blog/posts/2013/03/15-Debian_Release_Critical_Bug_report_for_Week_11/ is one way of pondering bug count that I find useful ) |
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| 07:30.54 | ariqs | so the testing release is wheezy, right? And if you get it, can you just patch it along the way to release? |
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| 07:32.20 | dizzylizzy | ariqs, i've been using it with no issues for about a year |
| 07:32.33 | dizzylizzy | it's usually relatively stable |
| 07:32.39 | dizzylizzy | especially in freeze, like now :) |
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| 07:33.35 | dizzylizzy | Stable is squeeze, and wheezy is in freeze. There's gotta be a joke there somewhere. |
| 07:33.36 | ariqs | well, I'm mostly interested in debian because it seems to have a slow cycle... patching things constantly drives me crazy. I don't like to mess around all of the time, and ubuntu seems to force thaat |
| 07:33.45 | rww | ariqs: and to answer your second question, a normal package update will bring you to release when it happens, yes. |
| 07:34.05 | dizzylizzy | as long as your /etc/apt/sources.list says "wheezy" instead of "testing" then yes :) |
| 07:34.11 | dizzylizzy | then it's simply stable |
| 07:34.19 | ariqs | heh |
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| 07:35.02 | dizzylizzy | I made that mistake with lenny... instead of "lenny" in my sources.list I had "testing", so when lenny went stable it pulled a ton of relatively unstable packages in |
| 07:35.57 | rww | It's kind of fun how testing goes from deeply frozen to a flood of new craziness right after release ;) |
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| 07:36.04 | rjsalts | dizzylizzy: a common pitfall, the symbolic name used to be the default at one point |
| 07:36.32 | dizzylizzy | yeah |
| 07:36.39 | rjsalts | I use unstable most of the time, it does definitely get stranger after a release |
| 07:36.46 | rjsalts | at least on my desktop |
| 07:37.00 | rjsalts | on servers stable is the way to go |
| 07:37.14 | dizzylizzy | apt-listbugs and apt-listchanges are really nice packages to have installed |
| 07:37.17 | rjsalts | or on your grandmas desktop |
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| 07:37.39 | dizzylizzy | rjsalts, I dunno... I guess as long as you read all the upgrade information for packages... I'm too much of a wimp to be honest |
| 07:37.46 | rww | I have wheezy on a server right now. I like to live dangerously I guess :P |
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| 07:38.00 | dizzylizzy | so I just use testing, which is good because it's fresher than stable, but bad because bugs don't get fixed as quickly as unstable |
| 07:38.19 | rjsalts | rww: at this point in the release cycle you're probably okay |
| 07:38.31 | dizzylizzy | yeah seriously, wheezy is pretty much stable at this point |
| 07:38.35 | rww | I know, hence me doing it. I wouldn't have say a year ago :) |
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| 07:38.51 | rjsalts | only problem is security support |
| 07:39.27 | rww | nods |
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| 07:41.00 | dizzylizzy | I think... I think when I wipe my drive this thursday and repartition I'll have a sid / as my main one, a separate /home, and then a nice stable wheezy / to fall back on |
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| 07:45.30 | peterrooney | dizzylizzy: careful - some applications have different formats for user settings depending on version. |
| 07:45.57 | dizzylizzy | inhales sharply through teeth |
| 07:46.07 | dizzylizzy | maybe I'll just have the wheezy one keep its /home in / |
| 07:46.24 | LinaSovereign | Hey ! |
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| 07:46.50 | peterrooney | I feel virtuous for reminding you of that. |
| 07:46.50 | amit` | Vizio is a junk brand for TV's |
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| 07:47.01 | peterrooney | what TV isn't junk? |
| 07:47.39 | amit` | peterrooney: Yes, every TV is for Cinemas or hollywood which makes them really sloppy. Somehow, chinese, jews and africans dont like normal 4:3 TV's |
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| 07:48.17 | amit` | The problem is cultural than with lack of technology or desire to make better things. |
| 07:48.20 | rww | Neither televisions nor your racial issues seem particularly on-topic for #debian. |
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| 07:48.49 | amit` | rww: Tv's are off topic, I digress. |
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| 07:49.12 | peterrooney | I ran into issues with dualboot squeeze/wheezy on ppc. data loss was minimal. |
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| 07:54.10 | dizzylizzy | peterrooney, :) I appreciate it |
| 07:54.25 | dizzylizzy | i know for a fact my .emacs doesn't work with anything before 24 |
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| 08:09.21 | tuv | what is the safest way to get a newer kernel than 3.2? |
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| 08:12.12 | jelly-home | tuv: depends on why you need it ie. how it has to be built |
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| 08:14.14 | jelly-home | tuv: if you're comfortable building your own, do that and perhaps package the result using make-kpkg or use the procecure pointed to at /msg dpkg kernek-handbook |
| 08:14.28 | jelly-home | /msg dpkg kernel-handbook |
| 08:15.47 | tuv | jelly-home: a few bugs that affect my machine seem to have been fixed in more recent kernels. i'm giving liquorix.net a try |
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| 08:35.46 | lime_ | I am trying to install `sudo apt-get install abook` but once it pops up with [y/n] y the aptitude returns Debian GNU/Linux 6.0.0_Official Snapshot i386... |
| 08:36.06 | sakal | hi, I have BTC 6411 keyboard (debian sid, kde 4.8.4 with updates from qt-kde.debian.net). How I can rebind <left alt> to key at the right of this alt and <win key> to the <left alt> key? |
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| 08:36.38 | lime_ | it ends with `in the drive '/media/cdrom' and press enter, I am using Debian in a VM, I haven't had any issues installing until know |
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| 08:37.42 | lime_ | sakal: xmodmap could work |
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| 08:38.07 | lime_ | There is probably a keyboard map for it though |
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| 08:46.28 | lime_ | I already checked client is configured fine |
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| 08:55.13 | AL13N_work | on a deb6, i see an overflow mount of 1MB over /tmp/ |
| 08:55.18 | AL13N_work | what is the purpose of this? |
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| 09:48.34 | nocturn | Hi, I'm trying to walk someone through getting an ipsec connection set up on Debian |
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| 09:48.46 | nocturn | How can I let him check if the tunnel si up? |
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| 10:01.23 | f8l | Yoshi11: `rmmod mouse && modprobe mouse` |
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| 10:03.56 | andkore | so I made some libc6 problems for myself a while back. I now have 2.17 and 2.13, but only 2.17 is actually in dpkg. anyway, I tried deleting the .13 files, since I figured my system was using the .17 libraries, but that completely messed up my system. executing libc.so.6 or whatever gives 2.17, so I don't know what's up with that |
| 10:04.20 | Yoshi11 | hmmm apparently theres no such module *boggles*then why is optirun giving me that error |
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| 10:04.59 | Yoshi11 | hmmmm i know a reboot would fix it |
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| 10:08.03 | Yoshi11 | i had been hoping to not need to reboot though |
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| 10:16.36 | ksuhku | Yoshi11, lsmod|grep mouse |
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| 10:18.42 | Yoshi11 | ksuhku: theres just psmouse |
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| 10:20.54 | ksuhku | Yoshi11, yeah thats the idea |
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| 10:25.32 | zaffinger | Hi. I try to change the default entry of grub. Is /boot/grub/grub.cfg the right way? |
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| 10:26.45 | Xat` | i'm using logrotate but it seems to have a problem with globbing : http://paste.ziirish.info/ |
| 10:27.04 | Xat` | oups ! here http://ziirish.info/P3PAr |
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| 10:30.05 | jelly | Xat`: but rotate 7 will never trigger if atop chunks the files itself |
| 10:30.48 | Xat` | jelly: no problem with date, I only want rotate no .gz file |
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| 10:56.47 | buscon | hi, I generated a xmi file with phpuml |
| 10:56.57 | buscon | how can I then open the xmi file? |
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| 10:59.17 | babilen | buscon: Might ##php know more about that? |
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| 11:00.14 | buscon | babilen, ok, i'll try there |
| 11:00.17 | babilen | buscon: I also don't find phpuml in Debian -- Which program are you referring to, how did you install it and which version of Debian do you use? |
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| 11:00.31 | babilen | judd: file phpuml |
| 11:00.40 | judd | No packages in squeeze/i386 were found with that file. |
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| 11:06.04 | tapout | I have a windows 7 box, sftp'n a project in phpstorm ... but the actual copy of the initial files takes *hours*. sftp is slow.. is there a better method to remotely manage stuff? |
| 11:06.17 | tapout | like, I'm thinking maybe i should just get 'git' enabled and start using that in phpstorm |
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| 11:07.01 | takis_GR | i have wheezy LXDE but i cant poweroff or reboot as normal user. try to add user in group powerdev but this group doen not exist! |
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| 11:14.05 | babilen | takis_GR: How do you start LXDE? Which display manager do you use? |
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| 11:18.10 | takis_GR | lightdm |
| 11:18.36 | dogal | when will wheezy released? |
| 11:19.03 | babilen | dogal: soon |
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| 11:33.10 | Feigrim | I am wondering about the package snownews, the only entry I could find for the package on debian.org is a news article from 2004, does this means that the package does not have a maintainer and as such will not be a part of the Debian repo again? |
| 11:33.37 | nkuttler | ,v snownews |
| 11:33.38 | judd | Package: snownews on i386 -- lenny: 1.5.9-1 |
| 11:33.48 | nkuttler | Feigrim: it's gone |
| 11:34.22 | Towzzer | according to the author it doesn't even work on 64-bit |
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| 11:34.33 | DonMeta | hello |
| 11:34.55 | Towzzer | hi donmeta |
| 11:35.50 | babilen | judd: bug rm snownews |
| 11:35.53 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/468778 in ftp.debian.org (closed): «RM: snownews -- RoQA; orphaned, inactive upstream, better alternatives»; severity: normal; opened: 2008-03-01; last modified: 2009-06-14. |
| 11:35.56 | babilen | Feigrim: ^^^ |
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| 11:37.28 | Feigrim | Towzzer: I am running it fine on Arch 64-bit though |
| 11:37.39 | Towzzer | oh |
| 11:37.49 | Feigrim | it's still in the Arch repo |
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| 11:40.27 | babilen | Which might say more about Arch then snownews -- Maybe upstream became active again though. |
| 11:40.32 | babilen | *than |
| 11:41.24 | babilen | No, it has not seen any development at all since 2009 |
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| 11:45.36 | Feigrim | ok, so that means my only option is to try to manually install it I guess? :) |
| 11:46.13 | babilen | Feigrim: No, the sensible option is to use a supported, maintained and superior newsreader such as newsbeuter |
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| 11:48.42 | Feigrim | hmm yeah, i'm getting an xmlparse.h error when I try to build it, and it doesn't seem like that's a dependency that I can fulfill in Debian |
| 11:48.52 | Feigrim | but I'm very new to this so I might be missing something |
| 11:49.06 | babilen | … |
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| 11:49.49 | Konomi | Feigrim: http://packages.debian.org/search?searchon=contents&keywords=xmlparse.h&mode=path&suite=testing&arch=any |
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| 11:50.43 | babilen | Feigrim: debtags search "interface::text-mode && works-with-format::xml:rss" |
| 11:50.53 | babilen | (and other tags come to mind, just use newsbeuter) |
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| 11:51.06 | avarang11_ | hi I am trying to install opensuse in an old xp pc and when I insert the dvd it is all black and all i see a white blinking "_" When I insert puppy linux or Vertor its detected but I do not want to install those I want Debian is the Bios not detecting my CD? |
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| 11:51.45 | Feigrim | Konomi: I did install that but I still get the same error unfortunately |
| 11:52.03 | Konomi | Feigrim: check the code to see if they have a specific path for the header and alter it accordingly |
| 11:52.03 | wheel | help! my linux-box kernel: 2.6.32. How can I get mplayer play video? Uvesafb is on! But when mplayer open a video...Screen just blank!!! |
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| 11:52.18 | babilen | avarang11_: Why are you trying to install opensuse if you want Debian? |
| 11:52.56 | avarang11_ | no i was trying to but I want Debian testing |
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| 11:53.14 | babilen | dpkg: tell avarang11_ -about install wheezy |
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| 11:53.37 | babilen | avarang11_: So, which image (exactly!) did you download? |
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| 11:54.36 | avarang11_ | but when I try all the other except with puppy and vector the cd is not picked up oh and with puppy I deleted all software to change from ext4 |
| 11:55.11 | avarang11_ | i want testing debian |
| 11:55.49 | avarang11_ | the is no XP i change the hard disk format |
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| 11:56.09 | Feigrim | babilen: I might give newsbeuter a try since it actually starts on Debian as opposed to on this Arch machine where it just gives me crap about my locale :D |
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| 11:57.04 | babilen | Feigrim: And once again I have no idea what Arch does, what it should do and so on. (I find it disconcerting that totally unmaintained software is packaged, but then ...) |
| 11:57.14 | avarang11_ | with gparted I deleted everything on the hard drive but bios only picks Vector CD and Puppy but i want to install debian testing or sid not them |
| 11:57.39 | babilen | avarang11_: Ok, so which ISO image exactly did you download to install wheezy? |
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| 11:59.16 | avarang11_ | wheezy 32 bit dvd and then cd cause i was thinking it would pick the cd if not the dvd then i even try crunchbang and that did not work I want a debian base oh and nothing with ubuntu on it just debian only |
| 11:59.30 | Feigrim | babilen: well according to the Arch repo the package has a maintainer and was last updated about a year ago. Don't know what means for the actual program though |
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| 12:00.28 | babilen | Feigrim: No idea, upstream released the last version four years ago. But let us stop with this as it does not get us anywhere :) |
| 12:00.48 | babilen | avarang11_: Which image /exactly/ ? What is the name of the file? |
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| 12:01.19 | Feigrim | babilen: yeah, at least I have something to do now, changing the ridiculous default colors and key bindings in newsbeuter to something that suits me :D |
| 12:01.23 | babilen | avarang11_: And do you have a working internet connection during the installation? Which desktop environment do you want? |
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| 12:04.25 | ikonia | wheel: there is confusion, as you say you are using Ubuntu in the #ubuntu channel and Debian in the #debian channel - which OS are you using |
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| 12:04.43 | wheel | ikonia: :) |
| 12:04.58 | ikonia | wheel: can you please clarify which OS you are using |
| 12:05.09 | ikonia | wheel: I've asked you in two channels and you keep saying :) - please clarify |
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| 12:05.11 | wheel | ikonia: squeeze!!! |
| 12:05.15 | ikonia | right, thank you |
| 12:05.30 | wheel | ikonia: thank you! |
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| 12:06.00 | ikonia | and now it's over to others to help you after you've just shown me you are happy to knowingly tell lies |
| 12:06.25 | wheel | ikonia: ...T_T |
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| 12:06.48 | ikonia | sorry, I don't know what that means, |
| 12:07.16 | avarang11_ | debian-testing-i386-xfce-CD-1.iso |
| 12:07.36 | avarang11_ | no i deleted everything on the drive to make it acceptable for linux |
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| 12:08.55 | avarang11_ | With gparted in puppy linux I deleted NTFS |
| 12:09.22 | avarang11_ | to install debian and made it ext4 |
| 12:09.27 | n8w | hey |
| 12:10.00 | avarang11_ | and my iso is debian-testing-i386-xfce-CD-1.iso |
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| 12:10.22 | n8w | guys do u know how to show username and current path on remote konsole tabs....(settings->remote tabs do not do anythin)...all my remote tabs shows ~:bash only |
| 12:10.53 | babilen | avarang11_: Please use the RC1 image |
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| 12:11.57 | babilen | avarang11_: Did you burn that image to a blank CD or did you use an USB stick? If the latter: how did you create it? Did you check the md5sum of the image you downloaded? But please, use the RC1 images for wheezy. |
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| 12:12.35 | avarang11_ | no i only use a DVD then a CD that's it |
| 12:12.56 | avarang11_ | whats the link for RC1? |
| 12:13.09 | babilen | avarang11_: So you burned the image you downloaded to a blank CD? |
| 12:13.54 | babilen | avarang11_: The bot already told you. |
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| 12:13.59 | babilen | dpkg: tell avarang11_ -about install wheezy |
| 12:13.59 | avarang11_ | yes and a blank dvd when the cd was not picked up by bios |
| 12:14.12 | nino1 | hi |
| 12:14.21 | babilen | avarang11_: Do you have a working internet connectoin during the installation? Does your hardware require firmware? |
| 12:14.39 | Leoneof | hi, i want to download/wget a website, like: www.domain.com/path/* , how? |
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| 12:15.47 | avarang11_ | How can i have a working internet when I deleted xp partition? |
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| 12:17.58 | avarang11_ | I got a working internet on my laptop what i am using now but thats not were i want to install debian its on my old windows XP pc :) |
| 12:20.13 | avarang11_ | Step 1 I try to install Debian I like puppy linux for parting hard drives so I used puppy linux gparted to delete all partitions and make them ext4 so no I do not have any working internet or applications on my empty EXT4 hard drive |
| 12:20.57 | ChrisH | avarang11_: does your PC have a) LAN connection to Internet b) CD/DVD drive? |
| 12:21.17 | avarang11_ | it had a cd and dvd drivers |
| 12:21.51 | avarang11_ | there is no connection to any internet cause my partitions are not all EXT4 and are standing by empty |
| 12:21.55 | ChrisH | Leoneof: man wget |
| 12:21.58 | mallxs | where or what file is the alias set for phpmyadmin ? |
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| 12:22.19 | ChrisH | avarang11_: I do not get the connection between the Systems disks beeing ampty and a internet connection |
| 12:23.46 | avarang11_ | can I have windows on EXT4? Or can I install linux on NTFS? |
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| 12:23.52 | babilen | avarang11_: So you /do not/ have a working internet connection? You /are/ using the internet right now. Why is that connection unavailable during the installation? And please stop going on about puppy linux. It does /not/ matter at all. You don't even have to delete anything on your harddrive in order to install Debian. Simply download the image, check its md5sum against the one on the mirror, burn it and boot from it. |
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| 12:24.27 | babilen | avarang11_: So, please do that now (you have the links) and let us know how that goes. |
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| 12:24.58 | stmaher | Hi guys.. |
| 12:25.07 | stmaher | Quick question for all the debian/apache gurus.. |
| 12:25.24 | stmaher | is there any advantage or does anyone mount /var/www/ in a readonly partition ? |
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| 12:25.43 | stmaher | from a security aspect to prevent apache writing to the /var/www/ directory exploits etc |
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| 12:25.53 | avarang11_ | Babilen on my laptop i have an internect connection cause on my laptop I do have an operating system ....However on my PC I got an empty ext4 partition becaseu I deleted the NTFS partition that had windows XP |
| 12:26.15 | stmaher | most of the files are static with a little php thrown in |
| 12:26.24 | stmaher | hence the question of making it read only |
| 12:26.38 | stmaher | anyone see a case for / against? |
| 12:26.40 | stmaher | thanks |
| 12:26.43 | avarang11_ | so without an operating system is not posible for me to have a working internet connection |
| 12:26.49 | babilen | avarang11_: so you /do/ have an internet connection (you have a router somewhere that is connected to the internet) -- either way, please continue with the procedure I mentioned. You /might/ need firmware so I am going to sent you three more factoids. |
| 12:27.13 | avarang11_ | ok |
| 12:27.15 | babilen | Ah, well ... Just download the XFCE RC1 image, burn it and use that. |
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| 12:27.39 | babilen | dpkg: tell avarang11_ -about installer firmware wheezy |
| 12:27.51 | babilen | dpkg: tell avarang11_ -about firmware images wheezy |
| 12:27.58 | babilen | dpkg: tell avarang11_ -about install xfce |
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| 12:28.33 | avarang11_ | i did burn both a cd and dvd but when i insert them I get a blinking white _ <-------- |
| 12:28.51 | babilen | avarang11_: With the RC1 image too? I thought you did not use that. |
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| 12:29.45 | avarang11_ | Nevermind I will try to get windows xp back on it |
| 12:29.58 | babilen | I have no idea what you downloaded and tried, but it obviously doesn't work. You want http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/wheezy_di_rc1/amd64/iso-cd/debian-wheezy-DI-rc1-amd64-xfce-CD-1.iso (or a different architecture) |
| 12:30.11 | babilen | avarang11_: Sure, have fun! |
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| 12:40.50 | ksuhku | debian system requirements: a computer, half a brain |
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| 12:44.33 | zykotick9 | babilen: like avararng11, on my main machine, squeeze/wheezy will not boot from official media (lenny will) cd or usb. BUT, your hated, unetbootin works. i'm not trying to solve this, now, just making a comment. |
| 12:44.54 | babilen | heh |
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| 12:45.54 | babilen | zykotick9: I would very much like to see that solved though as that hints at a problem with our hybrid images. Would you mind discussing this in #debian-boot and/or filing a bug about that if you have time and access to the box? |
| 12:46.08 | codekK | Hi all, i have debian whezzy and i need to install ia32-libs, i try it with apt-get install, but i get error: ia32-libs : Depends: ia32-libs-i386 but it is not installable. What i can do? |
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| 12:47.13 | babilen | codekK: ia32-libs have been deprecated in wheezy. You can directly install foreign architecture packages these days and the hack that was ia32-* is not longer needed. This is /exactly/ what multiarch was about. Read the howto: http://wiki.debian.org/Multiarch/HOWTO |
| 12:48.01 | babilen | codekK: Which brings us to the question of: Why do you think that you need ia32-libs? (really, nothing should depend on that anymore. We finally got rid of that wart!) |
| 12:48.55 | zykotick9 | babilen: i'd like to both solve it, and provide a bug back to debian. BUT, it's my main box, it functions as my: desktop, server, and PVR. I don't really like downtime/reboots. but yes, the next time I get the chance, I'll promise to make the effort. |
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| 12:49.52 | codekK | babilen, because in my university a programming teacher distributes a autocorrector for correct my practice, and he said we need valgrind (installed) and 32bits libraries for corrector... (sorry for my bad english) |
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| 12:50.17 | codekK | and if i dont install 32bits libraries the corrector dont run |
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| 12:51.13 | babilen | codekK: Ok, you essentially have to install its depenencies directly. Read the multiarch howto and install whatever libraries it needs for i386 too. |
| 12:51.46 | codekK | babilen, ok thanks i go to read the wiki link u let me :) |
| 12:51.49 | shakaponk | hey guyz, when i run kdesudo kwrite, it asks me for MY password, and when i enter it, nothing happens...? whats wrong? |
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| 12:52.20 | nkuttler | shakaponk: why on earth would you run kwrite as root? |
| 12:52.36 | babilen | codekK: That being said: Your programming teacher should be familiar with linking and the ability to compile code natively for 32bit /and/ 64bit. Why not ask him to give you a native version? If that is, for whatever reason, not possible you /need to know its dependencies. You can probably investigate this by running ldd on the binary, but seriously. That just sounds like crappy software. |
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| 12:53.00 | shakaponk | nkuttler: let's say i want to edit some config files with an editor... |
| 12:53.34 | codekK | babilen, i agree. Sure crappy all software/teachers on my university is a shit |
| 12:53.54 | codekK | And they dont like to help the students |
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| 12:54.39 | codekK | babilen, maybe more fast i download a debian 32 bits image and i create a virtual machine |
| 12:54.49 | codekK | for this shit practice |
| 12:55.18 | babilen | codekK: So, what I would do now: Enable the i386 architecture and /then/ either figure out th exact dependencies or install the ia32-libs package. It will (in wheezy) simply pull in a large set of i386 packages (you cannot install that right now because you haven't enabled i386 yet) |
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| 12:56.17 | codekK | ah ok, and how i can active i386 arch?? |
| 12:56.20 | babilen | codekK: ia32-libs depends on (the i386!) package ia32-libs-i386 ... That package is uninstallable if you haven't enabled that architecture (see the howto). So enabling that would enable you to install it. |
| 12:56.36 | codekK | ok |
| 12:56.43 | codekK | i go to try enable i386 |
| 12:56.45 | codekK | but.. |
| 12:56.50 | babilen | codekK: That is discussed in the howto, but essentially: dpkg --add-architecture i386 |
| 12:56.56 | codekK | after this i can get my system clean full 64bits arch?? |
| 12:57.08 | babilen | I don't understand what you mean by that |
| 12:57.15 | codekK | hmm |
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| 12:57.34 | codekK | when i dont need 32bits arch and packages can remove it without problems? |
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| 12:57.46 | codekK | for have my debian system clean |
| 12:57.48 | codekK | like now |
| 12:57.56 | babilen | codekK: Essentially: Run "dpkg --add-architecture i386 ; apt-get update ; apt-get install ia32-libs ia32-libs ia32-libs-gtk" |
| 12:58.13 | jelly | codekK: yes, all the things you install for this can be safely removed afterwards |
| 12:58.17 | codekK | ok |
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| 12:58.24 | codekK | with dpkg --remove-architecture i386 |
| 12:58.27 | codekK | and after remoev the packages |
| 12:58.35 | codekK | or first remove packages and after the architecture? |
| 12:59.15 | babilen | no, /first/ remove the packages. (it should be enough to remove ia32-libs and ia32-libs-gtk and the run "apt-get --purge autoremove" ... You don't have to remove the architecture (it really doesn't hurt) |
| 12:59.22 | babilen | ) |
| 12:59.34 | codekK | ah ok |
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| 12:59.38 | codekK | babilen, a lot of thanks |
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| 12:59.56 | codekK | ok now are installing ia32-libs |
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| 13:00.02 | babilen | np (this is all guessing, I haven't investigated this in detail and there might be a step missing) |
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| 13:08.31 | TheWarden | Hi, how does one mount a share with Samba 4 installed? The share is CIFS/NTFS and is remote to the server I'm trying try mount this share on. |
| 13:08.39 | TheWarden | the server that has samba 4, I wanting to mount a share remotely. However when I do this command I get "is not a valid block device". mount -t cifs "//192.168.0.4/c/Groups/Support/Backups/servers-linux" -o rw,username="username",password="password" "/mnt/backups" |
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| 13:10.42 | Towzzer | warden, you mount based on the share name |
| 13:10.48 | Towzzer | not the absolute path |
| 13:10.53 | Towzzer | so like I assume |
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| 13:11.16 | shakaponk | hey guyz, when i run kdesudo kwrite, it asks me for MY password, and when i enter it, nothing happens...? whats wrong? |
| 13:11.44 | TheWarden | In the past as long as the share name is present within the path it has worked. This exact statement works fine on other Debian Squeeze servers without Samba 4. |
| 13:11.49 | ksk | shakaponk: run the command in terinal and see if theres some error |
| 13:12.22 | TheWarden | The share name is c and therefore if I do //192.168.0.4/c it works fine but I need it to be to that exact path. |
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| 13:12.45 | Towzzer | then share that directory as another share |
| 13:12.50 | shakaponk | ksk, i run it in terminal |
| 13:12.51 | Towzzer | I think |
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| 13:13.03 | shakaponk | or what do you mean? |
| 13:13.10 | et | shakaponk: can you do regular sudo stuff? |
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| 13:13.24 | ksk | i meant that, yes. no output? |
| 13:13.24 | Towzzer | warden what you are trying to do is this mount -t xfs /dev/sda/etc/dhcp-server |
| 13:13.29 | Towzzer | that doesn't work ither |
| 13:13.35 | Towzzer | the mount point has to be a block device, not the directory |
| 13:13.44 | Towzzer | does that make sense |
| 13:13.45 | shakaponk | et: ksk: yes, i can do regular root stuff |
| 13:13.47 | TheWarden | Towzzer: I suppose, just doesn't make sense when I've done this before via Windows and multiple Debian Squeeze systems without issues. Heck I'm doing it now on a regular bases else where. |
| 13:14.09 | et | shakaponk: using sudo? |
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| 13:14.30 | shakaponk | i run this from terminal kdesudo kwrite, i will be prompted by another window to insert my password, then happens nothing |
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| 13:15.07 | zykotick9 | shakaponk: does "sudo ls" work and/or try "kdesudo xeyes" |
| 13:15.08 | shakaponk | et: no from regular user, when from root: i get cannot connect to x server... i guess it's normal |
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| 13:15.17 | et | the question is, are you in /etc/sudoers and is the entry correct. you can do "root stuff" with su (not sudo) also, so you didn't answer the question |
| 13:16.06 | shakaponk | et: no seems not to be the case, i'm not in etc/sudoers |
| 13:16.22 | ChrisH | shakaponk: I just tried it and it takes some seconds, but I get output onto my terminal. Nothing at your side? |
| 13:16.33 | zykotick9 | shakaponk: add your user to the sudo group, then logout/backin |
| 13:16.45 | zykotick9 | shakaponk: or try "groups" are you in sudo? |
| 13:18.47 | shakaponk | ChrisH: i'm not in sudoers, that would be the error |
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| 13:18.53 | shakaponk | but i do not get any output |
| 13:19.07 | shakaponk | zykotick9: thx, i'll try |
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| 13:20.02 | abrotman | are you in the sudoers group ? |
| 13:20.54 | zykotick9 | abrotman: i believe "sudo" is the sudoers group ;) |
| 13:21.15 | shakaponk | abrotman: no i'm not, workin on it :-) but thx ALL for your input ;-) |
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| 13:26.13 | lunk | good morning, i'm running into a strange issue with a new install of 6.0.7, users have no permissions to /dev/null |
| 13:26.19 | shakaponk | thx all, that did it :-) |
| 13:26.23 | abrotman | oh .. didn't ssee zykotick9 's question .. sorry |
| 13:26.31 | ChrisH | lunk: what does ls -l /dev/null show? |
| 13:26.34 | lunk | i updated udev to mount it as 666 and it does get the correct permissions on reboot |
| 13:26.35 | abrotman | zykotick9: i know the group name .. it was a general question |
| 13:26.46 | JmZ | so does anyone know why the www.sandbox.paypal.com SSL cert fails to verify? others have the same issue, not just me, but only on wheezy, possibly squeeze too. |
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| 13:26.55 | lunk | ChrisH: crw-rw-rw- 1 root root 1, 3 Mar 20 09:24 /dev/null |
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| 13:27.25 | ChrisH | lunk: please paste output from ls -ld / /dev /dev/null ; cat /proc/mounts to paste.debian.net please |
| 13:27.29 | JmZ | try it for yourself, openssl s_client -connect www.sandbox.paypal.com:443 |
| 13:27.42 | lunk | ChrisH: yes sir, one second |
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| 13:27.52 | FrancisB | hello |
| 13:27.54 | JmZ | its a valid verisign cert and works fine on other distros |
| 13:28.16 | FrancisB | do you have an idea for the date of Wheezy stable? |
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| 13:28.33 | JmZ | 3rd day i've been here asking this, i give up |
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| 13:29.18 | FrancisB | hum.. |
| 13:29.59 | lunk | ChrisH: http://paste.debian.net/243084/ |
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| 13:31.27 | Nik05 | JmZ: it works here |
| 13:31.34 | Nik05 | file a bug report if its not working |
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| 13:32.42 | zykotick9 | abrotman: re:knowing the group name. there was a reason i ended that with a ;) i figured you knew. |
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| 13:35.23 | abrotman | zykotick9: i even use sudo sometimes! |
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| 13:36.28 | ChrisH | lunk: that looks OK. echo test > /dev/null as user gets what error? ENOPERM? |
| 13:36.29 | Nik05 | soon |
| 13:36.39 | Nik05 | ho wrong chat |
| 13:36.44 | ChrisH | lunk: and same time as root works? |
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| 13:37.53 | lunk | ChrisH: that does work. and it shows that my test, is flawed. |
| 13:38.02 | lunk | ChrisH: i have been using a pipe instead of a > |
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| 13:38.15 | lunk | ChrisH: thanks |
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| 13:39.07 | john_rambo | This is my sources.list http://paste.ubuntu.com/5631160/ ............. I had to install iceswasel by typing sudo apt-get install -t squeeze-backports <package name> . HWen I do apt-get update & upgrade why doent it pull the updates from backport ? |
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| 13:40.10 | Nik05 | john_rambo apt-pinning |
| 13:40.24 | lunk | ChrisH: the real test is to see if exim fails again this evening |
| 13:40.25 | ChrisH | lunk: therefore we most times ask to show the command and the output :) |
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| 13:40.58 | lunk | ChrisH: yea, my bad. always hate finding a bug, in my test code. |
| 13:41.26 | john_rambo | Nik05, Will this compromise stability ? |
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| 13:59.33 | galex-713 | Hello, my computer frequently shutdown suddenly because of heat. Due to that I've lost my OS (I was moving and resizing partition to free space and test gentoo) and I can't restore my personal data because my computer shutdown too often (and I've a billion of files to restore using photorec) |
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| 14:01.07 | galex-713 | How make lm_sensors put my fans on max power all the time when I try to restore my data? |
| 14:02.52 | zykotick9 | galex-713: just an OT comment, if you have heat issues perhaps a source based distro is not what you'd want to try. also you might want to see <greenhouse> factoid |
| 14:03.56 | reavengrey | galex-713: Also, try looking in your firmware optionw |
| 14:04.00 | reavengrey | *options |
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| 14:04.08 | reavengrey | For power related settings |
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| 14:09.25 | galex-713 | But how? |
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| 14:11.24 | galex-713 | And what would be the problem between source-based distros and heat issues? |
| 14:11.54 | zykotick9 | galex-713: compiling is about the most stressful thing a cpu can do, thus generating lots of heat. |
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| 14:12.53 | galex-713 | I've compiled 10 times a complete system (not gentoo, my daily OS was GNU/Linux built with LFS) in about 1 hours without any problems… |
| 14:13.47 | galex-713 | It's just when I use too long time my computer |
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| 14:14.32 | galex-713 | (10 times with 1 hour per time, not 1 hour for the 10) |
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| 14:19.54 | alami | hello why i don't have the folder /var/www/ |
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| 14:20.21 | zykotick9 | alami: you don't have apache installed? i don't have it either. |
| 14:20.22 | Nik05 | alami: cause you didnt make it? |
| 14:20.27 | tralala | alami, have you installed a web server? |
| 14:20.30 | petn-randall | galex-713: uhm, if you can't run your system at 100% CPU without it shutting down at some point, you have heat issues. I'd get that fixed first before you attempt anything else. |
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| 14:20.49 | alami | i don't have a web server but i have a proxy server |
| 14:20.58 | alami | i have installed squid but not apache |
| 14:21.08 | tralala | a proxy server doesn't need /var/www |
| 14:21.09 | petn-randall | alami: you know you can create any dir with mkdir? |
| 14:21.20 | galex-713 | petn-randall, I can run my system at 100%, but no for too long time |
| 14:21.21 | alami | yes u know |
| 14:21.32 | alami | but if that the idea i will try+ |
| 14:21.49 | maxibyte | hey guys, im trying to install debian onto my old laptop, unfortunatley i dont have any cds to burn the ISO to, i was told to use Linux Live USB creator, problem being whenever i boot into it and select install it complains about a lack of cd drive, im quite sure i've done something wrong, anybody have any ideas? |
| 14:21.53 | tralala | alami, do you need a /var/www dir |
| 14:22.04 | alami | tralala,yes |
| 14:22.17 | petn-randall | galex-713: ... so you have heat issues. You need to fix that first, anything else is just fudging with the symptoms. |
| 14:22.35 | galex-713 | Ok |
| 14:22.38 | tralala | alami, what for? |
| 14:22.41 | galex-713 | And how fix that? |
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| 14:23.04 | zykotick9 | galex-713: clean your fans would be my first step |
| 14:24.06 | galex-713 | And without open computer? |
| 14:24.21 | zykotick9 | maxibyte: if you have access to a gnu/linux box, you can just cat the debian iso to the root of your usb key. |
| 14:24.22 | petn-randall | galex-713: if that doesn't help, add some. Run cpuburn and constantly check the temperature. It might also be that your power supply doesn't supply enough electricity. |
| 14:24.33 | ChrisH | galex-713: without openeing: het a new one. Why not open it? |
| 14:24.35 | petn-randall | galex-713: you won't get around opening your computer. |
| 14:24.45 | tralala | galex-713, if you have removed the heat sink from the CPU recently you need to buy and apply thermal paste on it and re-fit it. |
| 14:24.48 | maxibyte | unfortunatley i dont have another box for that, all i have is a laptop |
| 14:25.01 | maxibyte | *all i have is another laptop running windows |
| 14:25.18 | maxibyte | would extracting all files inside the iso to the root of the usb work too? |
| 14:25.49 | john_rambo | Problem is when I shutdown Debian stable it ends with a login prompt & takes 3-4 mins to shutdown |
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| 14:26.41 | petn-randall | maxibyte: No. You need the bootloader, etc. |
| 14:27.09 | tralala | maxibyte, try placing the .iso file on the usb. |
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| 14:27.27 | petn-randall | maxibyte: and the system expects an ISO filesystem, so that won't work like that, either. |
| 14:27.28 | maxibyte | tralala, i've never heard of that working, but i can try it :I |
| 14:27.43 | tralala | maxibyte, the usb does boot and the installer starts, right? |
| 14:27.49 | maxibyte | yes |
| 14:28.17 | maxibyte | it seems as if this usb creator installs it for use with virtualbox or something, which was the opposite of what i wanted |
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| 14:28.45 | tralala | which installer is that? squeeze or wheezy? |
| 14:28.54 | maxibyte | wheezy |
| 14:29.02 | maxibyte | "debian-wheezy-live-rc1-i386-gnome-desktop.iso" |
| 14:29.13 | tralala | copy the .iso to the usb using dd |
| 14:29.22 | maxibyte | using what now? |
| 14:29.32 | maxibyte | again, im on a windows pc, not a *nix box |
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| 14:29.58 | maxibyte | otherwise i'd have done as zykotick9 said. |
| 14:29.59 | zykotick9 | tralala: cat is the debian recommended method (though cp and dd should work as well) |
| 14:30.24 | tralala | maxibyte, http://unxutils.sourceforge.net/ (the dd utility) |
| 14:30.25 | galex-713 | So opening computer I could clean fans, change thermal paste and/or add a fan (not sure I can do that since it's a laptop) |
| 14:30.31 | galex-713 | But without opening it? |
| 14:30.37 | tralala | zykotick9, there's no cat on windows |
| 14:30.41 | galex-713 | At software level : fan control |
| 14:31.05 | maxibyte | he said "IF" i had access to a *nix box tralala |
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| 14:31.35 | tralala | galex-713, oh, that's a laptop... in that case you may need to give it to a technician |
| 14:31.44 | zykotick9 | tralala: sorry, forgot about that "windows" issue. i just see so many people suggesting dding the iso. |
| 14:31.45 | galex-713 | Oh no… |
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| 14:32.21 | galex-713 | Can I not just make fans rotate more quick? |
| 14:32.25 | maxibyte | meh, ill try booting into ubuntu on the laptop im trying to install to and use the usb thing to make the disk |
| 14:32.30 | petn-randall | galex-713: if the warranty is void, you might as well open it and blow away all the dust it has accumulated. |
| 14:32.31 | olivier_bK | somebody already have create repository for centos ?? |
| 14:32.34 | tralala | zykotick9, is there any difference between cat and dd for this purpose? |
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| 14:32.59 | galex-713 | petn-randall, it is. Would that be difficult on a laptop? |
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| 14:33.12 | zykotick9 | tralala: not "really", it's just the not following debian suggested methods, i find odd. |
| 14:33.33 | petn-randall | galex-713: google you model name + 'cleaning', chances are good there's a youtube clip that explains how to do it. |
| 14:33.42 | galex-713 | Ok |
| 14:34.08 | shakaponk | does anyone know, where the ffserver (ffmpeg-server) has his document root? |
| 14:34.26 | petn-randall | tralala: I guess using cat is just a few characters less typing :) |
| 14:34.27 | shakaponk | getting document not found... |
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| 14:35.04 | petn-randall | tralala: 'cat foo.iso > /dev/sdx' vs. 'dd if=foo.iso of=/dev/sdx bs=1M' |
| 14:35.42 | galex-713 | These days I've not enough time to do that… So until I have more free time, how could I temporary fix heat issues at software level? |
| 14:35.50 | olivier_bK | somebody already have create repository for centos ?? |
| 14:35.50 | tralala | petn-randall, that's true and a good reason :) |
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| 14:37.35 | Footur | olivier_bK: This isn't #centos, but http://wiki.centos.org/HowTos/CreateLocalRepos |
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| 14:39.07 | petn-randall | galex-713: not use your computer? |
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| 14:39.36 | petn-randall | galex-713: That's at least the easiest way not involving any effort. |
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| 14:40.27 | galex-713 | I'll probably have enough time this week-end, but for now I would like restore some data |
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| 14:40.58 | ChrisH | galex-713: I would remove the side cover and put a fan in front till weekend. |
| 14:41.09 | petn-randall | ChrisH: it's a laptop. |
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| 14:41.29 | galex-713 | But would that be so harmful? |
| 14:41.39 | galex-713 | And I've not others fans… |
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| 14:42.59 | ChrisH | galex-713: Well, then it all depends on how important your data is for you. YOu have to make a decision. Each shutdown can be one to much and corrupt the Filesystem. |
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| 14:43.28 | galex-713 | photorec don't attempt to write on disk |
| 14:44.08 | galex-713 | So when computer shutdown I've just to restart photorec… But since that would take a week to all restore… |
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| 14:44.27 | petn-randall | galex-713: If you write it to another disk, that is. But you'd still have to restart the run after each crash. And you'd end up with duplicate data. |
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| 14:45.14 | galex-713 | That's the point |
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| 14:46.08 | ChrisH | galex-713: get the disk out, dd it and run your recovey with/on a stable box. |
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| 14:46.22 | maxibyte|other | alright guys, im on my laptop, what's the command to move the iso to my usb? |
| 14:46.26 | petn-randall | galex-713: So, you *can* stubbornly demand to recover your data before you fix your computer, but please don't come asking for advice if your ignoring it anyway. |
| 14:46.34 | petn-randall | ChrisH: he doesn't want to open his laptop. |
| 14:46.53 | galex-713 | ChrisH, That's 512Gio, I've not any 512Gio external drive for that… |
| 14:47.14 | petn-randall | s/your/you're/ |
| 14:47.18 | galex-713 | petn-randall, Yes I want! But not the time until week-end |
| 14:47.20 | maxibyte|other | i tried cc debian.iso /media/AB91-98C1/ didnt work, what was the command for it? >_> |
| 14:47.55 | somiaj | maxibyte|other: you mean cp? |
| 14:48.05 | maxibyte|other | ah, that would be why it didnt work then :D |
| 14:48.10 | ChrisH | petn-randall: I know. But whats the only resonable approach from my POV. depending on the vendor its pretty simple to get the disk put. With Dell Latitude, just one screw |
| 14:48.14 | somiaj | maxibyte|other: you are just trying to copy the iso to a thumb drive, or do you want to put the image on the thumb drive so it is bootable |
| 14:48.16 | petn-randall | galex-713: then wait until the weekend. If you'd have time to recover data, you should rather spend that time on fixing your computer. |
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| 14:48.25 | maxibyte|other | somiaj, bootable |
| 14:48.29 | somiaj | maxibyte|other: mv will move the .iso image, cp will copy it, neither will put the image on the drive |
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| 14:48.36 | somiaj | maxibyte|other: is there any data on the drive you care about? |
| 14:48.37 | maxibyte|other | >_< |
| 14:48.41 | maxibyte|other | no, there is not. |
| 14:48.52 | galex-713 | petn-randall, Recover data just need to let computer on, not to be on it |
| 14:48.52 | zykotick9 | somiaj: i think /media/foo is a filesystem.... maxibyte|other |
| 14:49.09 | somiaj | maxibyte|other: cat debian.iso > /dev/sdb (assuming your usb drive is usb, make sure you put the correct device there, or you will destory a drive) |
| 14:49.12 | somiaj | and you have to do it as root |
| 14:49.24 | petn-randall | galex-713: It's all in vain if you computer restarts every hour, isn't it? I won't discuss this any further. |
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| 14:49.28 | somiaj | maxibyte|other: assuming your usb drive is /dev/sdb -- make sure you know what it is first |
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| 14:50.11 | petn-randall | maxibyte|other: as root, check with 'fdisk -l' which names your drives have. |
| 14:50.13 | galex-713 | Yes it is… that's why I was asking for a fancontrol temporary solution… |
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| 14:51.10 | maxibyte|other | one moment, let me paste the output |
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| 14:51.59 | maxibyte|other | http://pastie.org/6639620 |
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| 14:52.55 | maxibyte|other | i assume /dev/sdb1 is the drive? |
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| 14:53.56 | zykotick9 | maxibyte|other: actually sdb1 is a partition, sdb is the drive. |
| 14:53.59 | somiaj | maxibyte|other: /dev/sdb is the drive, /dev/sdb1 is the first partion, you want it on the drive |
| 14:54.33 | maxibyte|other | so i want to do cat debian.iso > /dev/sdb/ ? |
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| 14:54.48 | zykotick9 | yes |
| 14:54.53 | maxibyte|other | alright, brb |
| 14:55.08 | ChrisH | maxibyte|other: cat debian.iso > /dev/sdb no / at the end |
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| 14:55.13 | maxibyte|other | oh |
| 14:55.14 | maxibyte|other | derp |
| 14:55.22 | somiaj | maxibyte|other: leave the slash off the end, it is not a directory, it is a file (or device node) |
| 14:55.33 | zykotick9 | maxibyte|other: sorry, i should have caught that as well. |
| 14:56.16 | maxibyte|other | i need to be doing this as root, right? |
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| 14:57.00 | somiaj | maxibyte|other: correct, and you can't use sudo directaly |
| 14:57.07 | maxibyte|other | i noticed |
| 14:57.11 | maxibyte|other | sudo su |
| 14:57.26 | somiaj | maxibyte|other: if you want to use sudo, sudo sh -c "cat debian.iso > /dev/sdb" |
| 14:57.41 | somiaj | maxibyte|other: problem is the redirecet, '>' won't have root perimisions |
| 14:58.04 | ChrisH | sudo -i |
| 14:58.43 | somiaj | oh nice, should have assumed that sudo had such a flag, just never thought to look |
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| 15:01.01 | maxibyte|other | guess ill be back in a few, rebooting to see if this worked |
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| 15:02.22 | petn-randall | maxibyte|other: you might run 'sync' before pulling the stick, I'm not sure if cat syncs to disk before it's finished. |
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| 15:03.12 | maxibyte | "there was a problem reading files from the cd-rom, if retrying does not work, check the integrity of the cd-rom |
| 15:03.23 | maxibyte | i assume that means it didnt copy correctly? |
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| 15:06.28 | mo- | I installed apache 2.4 from unstable to get a slightly less outdated apache and am now looking for the appropriate fcgi module, but libapache2-mod-fcgid depends on apache2.2-common i.e. is outdated? |
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| 15:11.11 | DarkKnightCZ | hi, how to create init script for specific user? (app will be started on the system start under specified user), is it enough to call "su user" before? |
| 15:12.55 | ChrisH | DarkKnightCZ: add some su [-i] user -c "COMMANDS" into your startup scrpt and/or check man start-stop-daemon to a switch user option |
| 15:13.39 | DarkKnightCZ | ChrisH: so, init.d script is ok? |
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| 15:15.35 | ChrisH | DarkKnightCZ: yes. check eg. squid or exim, they get started that way |
| 15:16.12 | jhutchins_wk | mo-: I think you're a little too anxious to have the latest bleeding edge software. |
| 15:16.35 | jhutchins_wk | mo-: Often packages in experimental and unstable don't have all of the matching modules available. |
| 15:16.39 | DarkKnightCZ | ChrisH: ok, so system will run that script with start parameter? |
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| 15:16.56 | jhutchins_wk | mo-: If you want a stable, complete, patched and tested webserver you should use stable. |
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| 15:17.55 | alami | i have set up al LVM for the hard drive and now when i restart the server i have to type the password, can i do it emotly? |
| 15:18.04 | coffeecup_ | is it possible to clear a smart devices error log? smartctl says "The device error log contains records of errors", i did an extended offline test which completed without errors - also is it adviced to clear the log if its possible? |
| 15:18.11 | mo- | i wouldnt call apache 2.4 bleeding edge, its really more of a less outdated version with a properly working event-mpm |
| 15:18.14 | petn-randall | alami: LVM doesn't require typing a password. |
| 15:18.36 | alami | petn-randall: my server require a password at system start |
| 15:18.41 | petn-randall | alami: Maybe you also set up LUKS encryption? |
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| 15:18.58 | alami | petn-randall,nope |
| 15:18.58 | ChrisH | DarkKnightCZ: man start-stop-daemon and then test it out :) yes it is expected to work that way. |
| 15:19.16 | DarkKnightCZ | ok, thanks :) |
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| 15:20.28 | ChrisH | DarkKnightCZ: check also /etc/init.d/README and the refernces in there |
| 15:20.41 | DarkKnightCZ | yep :) thanks very much |
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| 15:20.46 | petn-randall | alami: I can only say that LVM doesn't require typing a password, so I have no idea what kind of password prompt you're talking about. |
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| 15:21.16 | petn-randall | alami: you're not talking about the login screen on a tty when the server is finished booting, right? |
| 15:21.50 | superlinux | hi. i cannot do dpkg --add-architecture on wheezy am64 to install skype. what should i do? |
| 15:21.57 | alami | petn-randall: no no not the login one |
| 15:22.43 | petn-randall | alami: can you show a screenshot or the exact lines before the password prompt? |
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| 15:22.58 | alami | petn-randalli will try |
| 15:23.03 | alami | a mom plz |
| 15:23.16 | petn-randall | alami: you can also photograph the screen, that should also work. |
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| 15:26.11 | karlpinc | What's the recommended (dos partition) partitioning tool these days, fdisk, cfdisk? |
| 15:26.41 | jhutchins_wk | karlpinc: parted is the shiny new toy. |
| 15:26.46 | petn-randall | karlpinc: fdisk works, just not with gpt. (g)parted is quite nice. |
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| 15:26.57 | jhutchins_wk | karlpinc: I always use fdisk just out of habit from the DOS days. |
| 15:27.00 | zykotick9 | karlpinc: if you consult "man fdisk" it actually lists teh prefered order of *disk programs to use. |
| 15:27.04 | karlpinc | parted is annoying, with all it's cylindar crap (or whatever) |
| 15:27.04 | superlinux | nautilus-open-terminal |
| 15:27.09 | superlinux | sorry! |
| 15:27.21 | karlpinc | Ok. Thanks. |
| 15:27.28 | petn-randall | nautilus-open-terminal: command not found |
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| 15:29.06 | needle | guess, it's a shell script located in ~/bin |
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| 15:35.15 | petn-randall | alami: did you manage to take a screenshot? |
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| 15:53.06 | JNSamuel | does anyone know the mysql port for sourceforge? 3306? |
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| 15:55.02 | peet | hi guys, i'm pretty green @ linux, and ran into a situation where a program requires an older version of libssl than i currently have installed. my distro is debian based, but does not use the debian repos, and the older version is not included in this forks repos. so my question.. what's the best way to add the older version or is there a way to fool the program in question to use the newer version? thanks for your answers. |
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| 15:56.28 | ksk | !debian peet |
| 15:56.35 | ksk | !tell peet about debian |
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| 15:56.51 | petn-randall | peet: you should take that up with your distro. Though from the sounds of it you're trying to install a program the wrong way. |
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| 15:56.57 | ksk | !tell peet about based on |
| 15:56.59 | ksk | this one ;) |
| 15:57.02 | qdb | hello |
| 15:57.31 | peet | understand ksk. thanks anyway. |
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| 15:57.43 | qdb | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:57.45 | ksk | peet: using an older version of ssl like that one included in your distro does not sound like a task i would suggest ( even more if you are a newbie) |
| 15:58.05 | peet | ksk - it scares me what that might break. |
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| 15:58.48 | qdb | Konomi, ^ does it have "?" at end ? |
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| 15:59.08 | Konomi | you need to hit that tab key a few more times ~ |
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| 16:00.08 | Konomi | no return value = not supported |
| 16:00.12 | Konomi | I guess you did mean me |
| 16:00.48 | Konomi | though really its supposed to return a 1 if not supported |
| 16:01.03 | Konomi | anything but 0 = no suspend |
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| 16:04.45 | ChrisH | qdb: && means execute the next command only if return value was 0, you most probably want to execute /usr/bin/pm-is-supported --suspend ; echo $? |
| 16:05.24 | Konomi | his problem is upower -d reports he can suspend and hiberate but pm-utils does not |
| 16:05.30 | Konomi | he asked me about it earlier |
| 16:05.50 | ariqs | the number of bugs increaed from 102 to 103 :P |
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| 16:08.26 | Konomi | asking him to do bash -x /usr/bin/pm-is-supported and pastebining the output would probably be a good way to find out why I just don't have the time to go through it at the moment |
| 16:10.12 | ChrisH | qdb: let follow what Konomi suggested: please run: bash -xv /usr/bin/pm-is-supported ; echo $? and paste it onto paste.debian.net |
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| 16:10.28 | Konomi | the echo part isn't needed the last line will give the return value |
| 16:10.40 | Konomi | that was just to give him something to see without all the bash -x details |
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| 16:13.27 | karlpinc | Humm. cfdisk starts the first partition too soon, not leaving grub enough room to install. :-P |
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| 16:18.11 | kephra | i just killed a centos - and migrated db/application to debian *w00t* |
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| 16:18.52 | kephra | question: ERROR 1045 (28000): Access denied for user 'debian-sys-maint'@'localhost' (using password: YES) <- is there an easy way to add the debian maint user to an existing database (that was generated under centos/cpanel) |
| 16:19.13 | ChrisH | kephra: yes... google will show it to you |
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| 16:19.53 | rabbieth | kephra: check /etc/mysql, there is some file for this |
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| 16:20.04 | Lars_G | Greetings. |
| 16:20.40 | Lars_G | What is the right way to make x11vnc work when invoked after SUing from root to the user logged in? when I su I can't find the xauth key anywhere (it's in the user's env afaik) |
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| 16:21.06 | noshir | hi |
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| 16:21.26 | noshir | is there easy way to install e17 stable in debian wheezy? |
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| 16:22.53 | petn-randall | noshir: you could add the experimental repository and install it from there. |
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| 16:23.28 | karlpinc | Lars_G: -auth guess might work. |
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| 16:23.47 | Lars_G | karlpinc: Never does |
| 16:23.52 | noshir | you mean sid (or unstable or experimental) instead of wheezy in source.list? |
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| 16:24.40 | karlpinc | Lars_G: I always ssh in with a key and have 'command="x11vnc -display :0 -auth guess -listen localhost",no-pty ssh-rsa ...' in my authorized_keys file. |
| 16:25.09 | petn-randall | noshir: not *instead*, additional to wheezy. Sid is unstable. Experimental is usually even newer than sid, but is not a full distribution. |
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| 16:26.06 | petn-randall | noshir: experimental carries the stable e17 packages in there, so it might be worth trying it. :) |
| 16:26.28 | karlpinc | Lars_G: Something about su and X.... You could try "su - exec login root". |
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| 16:26.54 | karlpinc | Lars_G: Oops that'd be -c not -. |
| 16:27.14 | noshir | petn-randall: thanks I'll check this way even if it "scares" me a little |
| 16:27.28 | petn-randall | noshir: add the experimental repo, do 'apt-get update', then 'apt-get install 'e17'. This should get you e17. |
| 16:27.57 | karlpinc | noshir: You might be better off recompiling the source package (backporting). Otherwise you'll pull in all sorts of dependences, or could. |
| 16:28.08 | karlpinc | noshir: And that'd break things. |
| 16:28.16 | noshir | petn-randall: and you say it's not in replacement of wheezy? |
| 16:28.18 | qdb | ChrisH, answe of the command do not fit terminal. i tried to add "> tmp123" but it do not work |
| 16:28.34 | petn-randall | noshir: just make sure it doesn't upgrade any other important packages. Except for that, the worst thing that could happen is that it doesn't install because of missing dependencies. |
| 16:28.56 | Iridos | Lars_G, yes, it is in the users environment (XAURHORITY) since gdm3 and that's where you can get it... dunno if there's a "right" way |
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| 16:29.42 | noshir | karlpinc: from source is what I would like to avoid, but I'll give a try to experimental first, I'm affraid of dependancies that will break things but it's a virtual machine I don't really care actually |
| 16:29.56 | petn-randall | noshir: No, it's an addition to sid. experimental is pinned at a low priority (1). See 'man apt_preferences' for the details. |
| 16:29.58 | babilen | I wouldn't necessarily mix wheezy with experimental. Maybe its pretty straightforward to backport e17 from exp to wheezy though. (along the lines of "/msg dpkg ssb", but adapted for experimental) |
| 16:30.28 | petn-randall | noshir: however, since wheezy and sid are very close to equal at the moment, it might work pretty well. |
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| 16:30.33 | ChrisH | qdb: then try: bash -xv /usr/bin/pm-is-supported > /tmp/output.file 2>&1 upload /tmp/output.file afterwards |
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| 16:31.07 | noshir | petn-randall: I'm not familiar with these priorities but it can be occasion to be I check that, thanks |
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| 16:31.28 | noshir | years I have not been in the irc, you helped me better than google thanks |
| 16:32.12 | Iridos | Lars_G, the "right" way is probably to have the content of XAUTHORITY saved somewhere in $HOME as part of the grafical login for re-use by login via ssh or the like... but supposing you want to find out now, you can find the file by doing strings /proc/14956/environ |grep XAUTH (for process 14956, which should be one of the processes the user ran on in the graphical desktop) |
| 16:32.23 | petn-randall | noshir: priorities just tell the package manager which package to prefer when there are several versions available. |
| 16:33.02 | qdb | ChrisH, http://paste.debian.net/243138/ |
| 16:33.04 | petn-randall | noshir: experimental is pinned at 1, wheezy is 500, so if there is a package in wheezy that satisfies the dependency, it will pick that one. |
| 16:33.26 | Iridos | graphical* |
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| 16:33.28 | Iridos | grmp |
| 16:34.05 | Lars_G | Iridos: Well that used to be in .Xauthority but the new manner should be "safer" |
| 16:34.11 | Lars_G | Iridos: I found a directory where they are |
| 16:34.12 | Lars_G | though |
| 16:34.18 | noshir | it sounds wise actually maybe I will have luck, usually I from experience I know I don't :) |
| 16:34.24 | petn-randall | noshir: you can get e17 installed with that. After installing I recommend to comment out the experimental repo, so that you don't run into problems that may occur some time in the future. |
| 16:34.53 | petn-randall | noshir: good luck, and glad I could help :) |
| 16:34.55 | Iridos | Lars_G, I just told you where... in XAUTHORITY... and with gdm3 it's XAUTHORITY=/var/run/gdm3/auth-for-$USER-somestring/database |
| 16:35.30 | ChrisH | qdb: sorry once more, I forgot the argument bash -xv /usr/bin/pm-is-supported --suspend > /tmp/output.file 2>&1 upload /tmp/output.file afterwards |
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| 16:35.54 | noshir | petn-randall: you did thanks |
| 16:36.31 | qdb | ChrisH, http://paste.debian.net/243139/ |
| 16:37.00 | Lars_G | Iridos: And which is set only in the env of the loged in user. I don't get it if I su |
| 16:38.14 | Iridos | Lars_G, yes. did you read what I wrote above? |
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| 16:38.55 | babilen | Iridos: is this about xhost and how it is bad and how users should use Xauthority instead? |
| 16:38.57 | noshir | 'e17' has no installation candidate |
| 16:39.07 | noshir | I knew it could not be that simple :) |
| 16:39.45 | Iridos | babilen, no, this about .Xauthority and how it's not used by gdm3 anymore, which likes to save the magic-cookie in /var/run/gdm3/auth-for-$USER-somestring/database and which you have a hard time finding when logging in via ssh |
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| 16:39.50 | babilen | noshir: "apt-cache policy e17" please along with your sources.list on http://paste.debian.net please -- And note once again that I wouldn't recommend to mix wheezy with experimental. (in particular not in the long run) |
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| 16:40.21 | petn-randall | noshir: did you do 'apt-get update' before? |
| 16:40.41 | babilen | Iridos: Oh, yes. That is suboptimal: There is a bug about this, but (rightfully) closed with "Take it to upstream, they fucked it up" |
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| 16:43.07 | Iridos | Lars_G, if that was the point of confusion ... with "XAUTHORITY", i mean the environment variable, which is not the same as /home/user/.Xauthority |
| 16:43.09 | ChrisH | qdb: I do not see any obvious reason. maybe someone else can do |
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| 16:43.41 | TheWarden | Is it possible to install Debian Squeeze automated, meaning pre-configured? |
| 16:43.45 | noshir | petn-randall: yes |
| 16:43.51 | noshir | babilen: http://paste.debian.net/243145/ |
| 16:44.00 | qdb | ChrisH, ok, then i say my problem . suspend do no work, debian squeeze gnome |
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| 16:45.11 | noshir | e17 is probably not available for now due to problems? I've had same problems with gnome-shell some monts/years ago |
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| 16:45.47 | babilen | Iridos: Please see /usr/share/doc/gdm3/README.Debian for further details. |
| 16:45.53 | zykotick9 | noshir: are you using wheezy? e17 is certainly an installable package for me. |
| 16:46.08 | Iridos | babilen, well, he's gorn anyway |
| 16:46.23 | babilen | zykotick9: That is the totally unacceptable and outdated 16* version. |
| 16:46.24 | noshir | zykotick9: it is? :( yes I do |
| 16:46.46 | noshir | I change mirrors, but for experimental it was not particular mirror |
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| 16:47.16 | zykotick9 | babilen: agreed. e17 didn't last long on my system... way to buggy. but ya, that isn't e17 final, not sure why it's packaged as e17. |
| 16:47.34 | babilen | noshir: Please don't use ftp.debian.org but always a mirror such as ftp.us.debian.org -- Are you using amd64 or i386? Have you run "apt-get update" after adding experimental? |
| 16:47.47 | babilen | But once again: I do /NOT/ recommend to use experimental. |
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| 16:48.10 | babilen | judd: v e17 --arch amd64 |
| 16:48.11 | judd | Package: e17 on amd64 -- sid: 0.16.999.70492-2; experimental: 0.17.1-1 |
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| 16:48.44 | babilen | zykotick9: Well, e17 is a joke. It was a joke ten years ago and it is a joke that they pretend to be finally done :) |
| 16:48.55 | babilen | (sorry, couldn't resist) |
| 16:48.56 | zykotick9 | babilen: agreed. |
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| 16:49.04 | noshir | babilen: i386 (Linux debian 3.2.0-4-686-pae #1 SMP Debian 3.2.39-2 i686 GNU/Linux), yes for aptitude update and I'll check with us mirror yes, I just want to use e17 stable/final without compiling it from source |
| 16:49.40 | noshir | I've tried it on another computer with ubuntu 12.04 and I like it, it needs to be configured but it's very nice on older machines |
| 16:50.05 | babilen | noshir: e17 is not in wheezy. You can get and older version from sid, but not the 0.17.1 you are (probably?) looking forward to. That one has been uploaded for amd64 to experiemental ... You can probably build it yourself though. |
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| 16:50.43 | noshir | I understand, so not for now in a few minutes, thanks |
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| 16:51.08 | TheWarden | I guess the word would be automatic/unattended of Debian OS.... any one know of a good doc that explains how to achieve this? |
| 16:51.24 | babilen | As I said earlier: It is (most likely) possible to grab the source package from experimental and compile it locally, but I haven't tested that. I am also not sure why it isn't available for i386 yet (I guess it was simply uploaded as amd64) |
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| 16:52.28 | zykotick9 | TheWarden: you might want to start with "/msg dpkg preseed" |
| 16:52.49 | noshir | I would prefer to do it the debian way yes, I will try to grab source from experimental and build it in debian way, I've never done that yet I'll give it a fast try |
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| 16:54.51 | TheWarden | zykotick9: ahh okay, thanks. |
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| 16:55.52 | babilen | TheWarden: automatic/unattended WHAT of Debian? |
| 16:56.14 | babilen | installation? configuration? upgrade? destruction? |
| 16:56.36 | TheWarden | babilen: the OS as in installation |
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| 16:57.25 | babilen | TheWarden: Yeah, preseeding is definitely the right thing then. You could also take a look at FAI, but preseeding + puppet is probably the better approach. |
| 16:58.08 | TheWarden | babilen: yeah I've been wanting to look into using puppet as well |
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| 17:04.26 | TechGPS | i'm running snowlinux with wheezy, it is safe to assume this is not a pure Debian distro right? |
| 17:04.36 | TechGPS | debian-based? |
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| 17:04.57 | jelly | TechGPS: if you didn't install it using an image from .debian.org, it's likely "not debian" |
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| 17:05.08 | TechGPS | yeah, it's just debian-based |
| 17:05.12 | petn-randall | noshir: as e17 isn't available for your arch, compiling from source as babilen recommended is the right way to go. It's not as difficult as it sounds, it might be worth a try. |
| 17:05.21 | jelly | !snowlinux |
| 17:05.36 | TechGPS | lol not a lot of people use snow linux but it's a pretty good distro imo |
| 17:05.39 | jelly | the bot doesn't know about it yet, so it's probably pretty new |
| 17:05.43 | Towzzer | what's the default gui? |
| 17:05.49 | TechGPS | cinnamon or gnome |
| 17:06.04 | jelly | so, a mint derivative |
| 17:06.14 | TechGPS | ah its out of mint? |
| 17:06.26 | jelly | cinnamon is mint's own software |
| 17:06.39 | TechGPS | ah i see, didn't know that |
| 17:06.55 | TechGPS | cinnamon is a lot more stable than gnome3 at least |
| 17:07.05 | TechGPS | i liked gnome2, was good |
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| 17:07.48 | TechGPS | i actually prefer running CentOS over this but CentOS was giving me problems with my webserver, it would just stop transmitting until i hit localhost on a browser |
| 17:08.15 | TechGPS | just running a simple lamp stack with wordpress |
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| 17:09.10 | noshir | petn-randall: it probably won't be that difficult, but it will take time and patience that I don't have right now |
| 17:09.51 | petn-randall | noshir: no problem, just ask again if you run into any problems. :) |
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| 17:10.31 | noshir | but I'll do it later, maybe I'll try using ubuntu 12.04 unofficial repository now in the minutes I have left before leaving work |
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| 17:10.59 | petn-randall | noshir: I would mix Debian with Ubuntu, that will definitely break things. |
| 17:11.07 | petn-randall | noshir: WOULDN'T |
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| 17:11.22 | TechGPS | they mixed fedora with ubuntu on fuduntu |
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| 17:11.37 | TechGPS | havent checked that out but supposedly it's gotten some decent ratings |
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| 17:12.04 | noshir | petn-randall: it's a virtual machine, I don't like also this solution but it's the best chance I have to see e17 final in the comming 10 minutes :) |
| 17:12.16 | TechGPS | lol |
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| 17:12.53 | petn-randall | TechGPS: "fuduntu". That's a joke, right? |
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| 17:13.00 | TechGPS | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fuduntu |
| 17:13.04 | TechGPS | not a joke man lol |
| 17:13.08 | TechGPS | i know it sounds funny though right |
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| 17:14.29 | __zero | Hi, I'm trying to run a script from a udev-rule, the script uses the pacmd command to change the default audio source, how do I retrieve the env of my user to run the command or run the script as the user itself? |
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| 17:21.01 | somiaj | __zero: you can use su to run commands as different users |
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| 17:23.06 | somiaj | __zero: su -c "command" username -- or su -c "command" - username -- the extra dash makes you do a full login() to get the default enviorment for the user, with out the dash, you don't get a full env |
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| 17:24.13 | noshir | thanks for your help |
| 17:24.14 | noshir | bye |
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| 17:27.59 | TheWarden | babilen: Isn't puppet open source without limitations? |
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| 17:29.09 | babilen | TheWarden: The sky is the limit! |
| 17:29.41 | babilen | But on a more serious note: What exactly are you asking about? |
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| 17:31.38 | Fidelix | Hello. I have two different gateways in my network and I'm trying to do load-balancing on my debian. How can I do that? |
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| 17:34.53 | petn-randall | Fidelix: http://www.lartc.org/howto/lartc.rpdb.multiple-links.html |
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| 17:35.07 | needle | with lots of reading first Fidelix http://lartc.org/autoloadbalance.html |
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| 17:35.31 | __zero | @somiaj thank you! |
| 17:35.43 | petn-randall | Fidelix: if your firewall/routing gets more complex, it might be worth setting up shorewall on the machine. |
| 17:36.00 | Fidelix | petn-randall: my setup is kind of different from the picture |
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| 17:36.57 | Fidelix | I have my Linux, a router, and in another router port, another router with a separate internet connection |
| 17:37.22 | Fidelix | I can have the same IP, and when I change the gateway address, I'm using a completely different connection |
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| 17:37.45 | Fidelix | So all I need is to round-robin stuff to two gateways. |
| 17:37.49 | Fidelix | Is that possible? |
| 17:38.43 | Towzzer | you want dual-wan? |
| 17:38.49 | needle | loadbalance will work only per IP packet or TCP session. |
| 17:39.01 | petn-randall | Fidelix: How is that different from the picture? Either way, you probably need to read up on a lot of the basics to set this up. |
| 17:39.05 | Towzzer | you can do this easier with a dedicate software firewall, like pfsense |
| 17:39.51 | Fidelix | Towzzer: there is only one NIC. I could create a second one with another gateway, right? |
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| 17:40.48 | confrey | hi everybody |
| 17:41.34 | Fidelix | Now the question is how to round-robin stuff between two nics |
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| 17:43.17 | pl | Hello. I'm trying to build a debian package. After using debuild I've got the .deb files, but then I wanted to change something a generate them again. So I did fakeroot debian/rules binary, as suggested in the Guide, but nothing happens. |
| 17:43.20 | pl | What am I missing? |
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| 17:44.15 | pl | I don't want to rebuild the package, as it takes *very* long to build from source |
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| 17:46.13 | shakaponk | now that's weird: today at the university i've attached a second monitor (full hd / VGA) worked fine with my debian wheezy (kde) but my home monitor has a problem neither hdmi nor vga will work. does not receive an output signal, in the monitor configuration when placing the second monitor for exaple on the left and applying the settings, everything gets resetted. |
| 17:46.20 | shakaponk | but the screen resolution is detected properly |
| 17:46.21 | confrey | can anyone help me, I have a Prolific Cable, it'd work as a USB2serial interface, but system recognizes it as a USB HID v1.00 Joystick only |
| 17:46.38 | shakaponk | HDMI and VGA same problem |
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| 17:50.03 | subb1 | Hi Debian. |
| 17:50.34 | ksk | hi subb1 |
| 17:51.09 | subb1 | I'm trying to compile n install a mysql server 5.5. I'd like to know if --with-embedded-server option is mandatory or not. Sorry. its because I don't know much abouth that option althout I read it.... |
| 17:51.11 | subb1 | Thanks |
| 17:51.19 | subb1 | I'm on a debian squeeze |
| 17:51.26 | somiaj | shakaponk: have you tried just 'xrandr -q' to get a list of monintors and if they are pluged in? |
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| 17:52.26 | ksk | subb1: guess thats more likely an mysqld question? |
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| 17:52.55 | shakaponk | somiaj: yes, i already tried it with xrandr, and it shows me the second monitor |
| 17:53.01 | somiaj | subb1: how are you compling mysql 5.5 and why |
| 17:53.06 | somiaj | shakaponk: does it say it is plugged in? |
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| 17:53.29 | shakaponk | somiaj: it also does in the monitor settings, it shows me as a monitor, but no output |
| 17:53.46 | shakaponk | somiaj: yes it is set to connected |
| 17:53.50 | petn-randall | subb1: it might be more effective to backport mysql-5.5 from wheezy to squeeze. |
| 17:53.56 | subb1 | somiaj, I'm trying by cmake, make and make install. It is for enabling performance_schema engine as per this: http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.6/en/performance-schema-build-configuration.html |
| 17:54.23 | somiaj | subb1: are you prepared for any issues of using a local install of mysql over a debian package |
| 17:54.45 | somiaj | subb1: I just checked, it looks like you can backport mysql 5.5 from sid fairly easily (there is only one addtional package you need to backport) |
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| 17:57.08 | subb1 | thanks somiaj, I'll try. |
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| 17:58.19 | somiaj | subb1: /msg judd check-backport mysql (it will tell you the additional package you have to backport) |
| 17:58.26 | somiaj | subb1: /msg dpkg ssbp (backporting instructions) |
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| 17:58.50 | somiaj | subb1: /msg dpkg package recompile (instructions if you need to change some compile time flags over just wanting the newer mysql version) |
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| 18:06.38 | amit` | how to know if there has been a rootkit attack on a debian machine? |
| 18:07.21 | mutante | you could use rkhunter or chkrootkit to search for them |
| 18:07.35 | mutante | kinda like anti-virus scan |
| 18:07.40 | amit` | Thanks, I'll try them. |
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| 18:08.17 | mutante | np, but remember if somebody already owned you before installing them it might be too late.. |
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| 18:08.59 | amit` | mutante: Not sure about that if this machine is already pwned =) |
| 18:09.33 | mutante | amit`: yea, well, it won't make anything worse to run a check |
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| 18:10.44 | amit` | Can you recommend a good desktop computer which is amd or intel based? |
| 18:11.38 | amit` | is a quadcore computer better than 8 core? |
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| 18:19.06 | Towzzer | amit - quad mean 4 |
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| 18:20.55 | jelly-home | amit`: best to ask about hardware in ##hardware |
| 18:21.12 | Towzzer | hey there mister jelly |
| 18:21.29 | amit` | Towzzer: Yes, quad means 4. Most desktops or even servers dont need 8 cores perhaps ?! |
| 18:21.46 | Towzzer | I don't think so, many programs aren't written to take advantage of multiple cores |
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| 18:22.20 | meti | amit`: need, no. use, maybe |
| 18:22.22 | amit` | Towzzer: Yes, that was my impression too. Most OS's and programs don't use multiple cores |
| 18:22.35 | Towzzer | are you going to game? |
| 18:23.02 | amit` | Towzzer: Not for gaming but only for programming and some HD video and TV. |
| 18:23.03 | wwraith | tackles towzzer |
| 18:23.05 | pl | Hi. When making a debian package, how do I rebuild the .deb files without rebuilding everything from source? debian/rules binary does not work. |
| 18:23.09 | Towzzer | hey ww |
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| 18:23.18 | wwraith | howdy ;p |
| 18:23.31 | Towzzer | amit- quad would be fine for that, most video cards have hardware decoders so most hd video will be fine regardless of the process |
| 18:23.48 | jelly-home | pl: how does it fail to work? |
| 18:23.55 | Towzzer | wwraith, you made some mistakes on a certain ftp server last night |
| 18:23.59 | amit` | Towzzer: Yes, a quad core with dedicated video card and tv tuner. |
| 18:24.01 | pl | jelly-home, it does nothing |
| 18:24.04 | Towzzer | do you know what I'm talking about? |
| 18:24.22 | pl | jelly-home, it just prints: "dh binary", but nothing is done |
| 18:24.34 | jelly-home | pl: do you already have .deb files present in parent directory? |
| 18:24.36 | wwraith | hmm no |
| 18:24.44 | pl | jelly-home, I deleted them |
| 18:24.59 | pl | jelly-home, and also deleted *.dsc *.changes ... |
| 18:25.02 | jelly-home | pl: and you're running under fakeroot or even as root? |
| 18:25.11 | pl | fakeroot debian/rules binary |
| 18:25.34 | pl | I'm using the default debian/rules file, if that matters |
| 18:25.45 | jelly-home | did it ever work? |
| 18:26.13 | pl | jelly-home, yes, I've got the .debs at the first time, but then I wanted to change something in the .install files, so I deleted them |
| 18:26.24 | pl | and tried to rebuild them, at first without changing anything |
| 18:26.29 | pl | just to see if it worked, and it did not |
| 18:26.44 | jelly-home | it might have put a stamp file somewhere |
| 18:26.56 | pl | jelly-home, yes, but I can't find it :) |
| 18:27.03 | jelly-home | I don't know how the current rules and debhelper works |
| 18:27.36 | jelly-home | pl: if noone answers here, try also #debian-mentors over on OFTC |
| 18:27.47 | pl | jelly-home, thanks |
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| 18:29.53 | jhutchins_wk | Probably need a make clean somewhere in there. |
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| 18:41.05 | opr | why can't I get libc6 2.15 on debian? |
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| 18:41.14 | opr | do I have to use the ubuntu package |
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| 18:44.36 | ksinny | Hi! is there a nepomuk-core-devel package for Debian ? |
| 18:46.31 | mutante | ksinny: looks like just in Ubuntu.. |
| 18:46.59 | babilen | ksinny: That package is not in Debian (something with a similar functionality might be though) |
| 18:47.17 | ksinny | mutante: I saw that too, is there any plan of packaging it for debian? |
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| 18:47.58 | ksinny | babilen: can you please point me to the package name if you know? |
| 18:48.07 | mutante | ksinny: i dunno. there seems to be _something_ here http://lists.alioth.debian.org/pipermail/pkg-kde-commits/2012-November/031494.html |
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| 18:49.25 | babilen | ksinny: http://anonscm.debian.org/gitweb/?p=pkg-kde/kde-sc/nepomuk-core.git;a=blob;f=debian/control;h=18a784f8f93ff757ab53ae7b761f536702ff7870;hb=HEAD |
| 18:49.53 | babilen | ksinny: I guess it won't be uploaded during the freeze (it has also been recently commited) |
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| 18:50.27 | babilen | ksinny: You might want to ask in #debian-kde on irc.oftc.net -- You can probably build that package yourself. |
| 18:51.12 | ksinny | babilen: sure, will do that :) |
| 18:51.18 | ksinny | Thanks for the info :) |
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| 18:53.30 | ksinny | babilen:which will be the next debian release to have the package? |
| 18:54.25 | babilen | ksinny: I am not a member of the KDE team, but it might very well get uploaded to jessie. Ask in #debian-kde on irc.oftc.net as they are responsible for it. I have /nothing/ to do with KDE (nor do I care about it) |
| 18:54.46 | babilen | s/uploaded/transition into/ |
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| 18:56.50 | ksinny | sure |
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| 19:08.10 | petn-randall | On my system I can hibernate, but on resume the image gets loaded from swap, and then my machine is stuck. No new log lines are generated on resume. Any idea how to further debug this? |
| 19:09.11 | petn-randall | On resume, it still reacts to sysrq key presses, but that's it. No way to change tty, or anything else. |
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| 19:16.42 | opr | why does everything need libc6 >=2.15 but debian doesn't have it and I don't know how to get it |
| 19:17.29 | steven324 | I have some sort of process keeping files open: http://perl.nopaste.dk/p23399 How to find this process using lsof? |
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| 19:20.33 | petn-randall | opr: I think you overgeneralizing a little :). What are you trying to do? |
| 19:21.16 | opr | petn-randall, I want to play dungeon defenders but it's saying I don't have glibc6 >=2.15 (im on wheezy so i have 2.13) |
| 19:21.30 | opr | I'm installing glibc6 from experimental now |
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| 19:22.05 | babilen | (famous last words) |
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| 19:22.20 | opr | don't worry, i'm a scientist |
| 19:22.26 | petn-randall | opr: Sounds like a great way to break your system beyond repair. |
| 19:22.31 | petn-randall | opr: Make sure to have backups! |
| 19:22.53 | opr | petn-randall, why can't I just get glibc6 2.15 easily without breaking my computer? |
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| 19:23.55 | babilen | opr: libc6 is on of the most important libraries on your system. Mindlessly upgrading it can break the entire system. |
| 19:24.36 | babilen | But try it, you are a scientist and there is nothing to lose in a simple experiment. (you have backups, it's easy to restore the system, no data can be lost even if the computer would burn, so .... go ahead!) |
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| 19:27.37 | opr | meh, how do I down-grade now, dungeon defenders doesn't work properly |
| 19:27.47 | petn-randall | opr: replay your backups. |
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| 19:28.53 | opr | If my computer isn't broken now, will it be broken after a reboot ? |
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| 19:36.27 | jhutchins_wk | opr: If it is, you'll be the first to know. |
| 19:37.30 | opr | oh well I've finished doing everything I need to in debian for the next few months anyway so I'll just reinstall if I have to |
| 19:37.38 | jhutchins_wk | opr: You can't get a new version of the core C libraries because it's too new to have been thoroughly tested with the rest of wheezy. |
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| 19:38.06 | opr | then why do some programs require you to have them then ? |
| 19:38.22 | opr | or, read that as: why is debian so slow to update things |
| 19:38.24 | jhutchins_wk | opr: If some silly game is requiring bleeding-edge libraries it's probably best to build a VM to isolate it, as it's probably a real mess of code. |
| 19:38.36 | petn-randall | opr: take it up with the developers. All my programm run with the libc6 I have installed. |
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| 19:38.52 | petn-randall | s/programm/programs/ |
| 19:39.05 | opr | seems everything even in wheezy is not up to date with the rest of the world |
| 19:39.06 | jhutchins_wk | opr: Stupid programmers think they need the latest and shiniest bits; debian offers a stable, well tested platform that isn't bleeding edge and untested. |
| 19:39.15 | Trewas | opr: even the last ubuntu LTS 12.04 has it, so many .deb packages outside of debian assume libc6 2.15 will be available |
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| 19:39.41 | Trewas | it's another question why wheezy doesn't have it, it was frozen months after that ubuntu version was released |
| 19:39.42 | jhutchins_wk | opr: You're suffering from versionitis: insecurity that somebody else's version number might be bigger than yours. |
| 19:39.47 | andkore | so I messed up my libc6. I have 2.13 and 2.17. only 2.17 is properly installed as a package. the symlinks point to 17, but when I delete the 2.13 files, everything still dies |
| 19:40.01 | andkore | how can I force the system to use 2.17? |
| 19:40.11 | jhutchins_wk | opr: Remember a patched, tested Debian package is not the same as the upstream package with the same version number. |
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| 19:41.06 | opr | jhutchins_wk, no, I'm suffering from all the gtk3 themes i download don't work because gnome-shell is stuck at 3.4 in wheezy and not only dungeon defenders, but things like steam too don't work unless you have some sickhead version that debian hasn't got in the testing release -.- |
| 19:41.20 | opr | -release |
| 19:41.25 | opr | just testing repos |
| 19:42.19 | petn-randall | opr: Maybe Ubuntu will serve your needs better than Debian. It's most of the time bleeding edge, at the cost of being less well tested. |
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| 19:42.48 | somiaj | andkore: why are you running an expermential version of libc6? And what version of debian do you have and what have you done to have two versions of libc6 on your system. Seems like a can of worms to me. |
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| 19:43.42 | petn-randall | opr: The other way would be to install dungeon defender via wine. That might even work better than the linux version. |
| 19:43.49 | somiaj | opr: maybe you should read up on what a frozen stable release is. Yes if you want to be bleeding edge then debian might not be the best for you. Other distros do the bleeding edge better. |
| 19:43.50 | andkore | somiaj: yeah, I messed up. I'm trying to get back to 2.13 |
| 19:43.52 | petn-randall | opr: at least that was the case for me with two other games. |
| 19:44.01 | scootypuff | what is the difference between debian based mint and debian itself? |
| 19:44.06 | andkore | somiaj: I'm on testing |
| 19:44.27 | somiaj | andkore: gonna be a lot of work to downgrade, and it is not advisable to install experimential packages on testing. (: |
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| 19:44.46 | petn-randall | scootypuff: other package versions, maybe other philosophy, maybe more packages. |
| 19:44.54 | andkore | well how do I determine which .so files are used? |
| 19:44.57 | somiaj | scootypuff: the testing, quality, policy, number of packages, core design, choices. |
| 19:45.02 | andkore | as I said, the symlinks point to the .17 files |
| 19:45.29 | somiaj | andkore: how did you install the newer libc6 package? Any issue with trying to just manually downgrade the package to the testing version? |
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| 19:46.01 | andkore | somiaj: yes, I can't downgrade because of the loose 2.13 files. dpkg wont' do anything with loose libc6 files |
| 19:46.39 | somiaj | scootypuff: some packages there may be little to no differences. Others there could be major differences from chaninging compile time flags, to providing other configs, defaults. |
| 19:46.54 | somiaj | andkore: loose files? How did you install 2.17? |
| 19:47.37 | andkore | somiaj: it was a while ago. I don't remember. I have both 2.13 and 2.17 installed, but only 2.17 is properly installed as a package |
| 19:47.50 | andkore | I just need to get my system to use 2.17 so I can delete the 2.13 files and then downgrade |
| 19:48.57 | somiaj | andkore: sounds bizzare, I have no clue how you got into that state. If you upgraded from 2.13 to 2.17 using a package, there should not be things left behind. dpkg does not work that way |
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| 19:49.13 | andkore | I know, I had to do some weird things to fix the mess I had made previously |
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| 19:50.16 | somiaj | at this point, backing up your data and reinstalling would be my suggestion. Since you have a strange kludge fixing privious issues, who knows what all things you may have to track down |
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| 19:50.42 | andkore | well all I need to do is change which lib6 version is used, but I don't know what determines that |
| 19:52.54 | petn-randall | andkore: no, you're having wrong assumptions. libc6 2.13 will be *replaced* by 2.17 on upgrade. |
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| 19:53.24 | petn-randall | andkore: So either you installed it without any package manager at all, just overwriting files, or you don't have two versions of libc6 installed in parallel. |
| 19:53.33 | andkore | the former |
| 19:53.50 | andkore | it's a weird thing |
| 19:54.07 | andkore | maybe I just need to reboot after deleting the .13 files? |
| 19:54.08 | petn-randall | andkore: what does 'dpkg -l libc6' say? |
| 19:54.23 | petn-randall | andkore: don't make things worse by deleting stuff by hand. |
| 19:54.28 | jhutchins_wk | sees a clean install in andkore's near future. |
| 19:54.48 | andkore | ii libc6:amd64 2.17-0experi amd64 Embedded GNU C Library: Shared li ii libc6:i386 2.17-0experi |
| 19:54.59 | Ghormoon | hi anyone who has experience with hplip and network printer (hp laserjet 5n)? It doesn't detect it even with manually specified IP (debian is virtualbox machine, windows host can detect it), any ideas? |
| 19:55.00 | andkore | naw, I already messed it up and fixed it |
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| 19:55.36 | petn-randall | crosses fingers that he has backups. |
| 19:55.46 | andkore | yeah, I'm going to move the files into a backup folder |
| 19:55.52 | andkore | and I have a livecd installation on my hard drive |
| 19:55.55 | andkore | so it's really easy to fix |
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| 19:58.32 | somiaj | andkore: again there should be no reason you have both installed unless you did somthing to mess things up. You an of course play around the try to hunt down and fix things. Though installs (espically with a good backup of config files/data) are easy to do and get up and running and might not only be faster, be far better in th elong run. |
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| 19:59.50 | petn-randall | andkore: and where do you see 2.13 installed? |
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| 20:00.21 | Cyclohexane | Where's a good place to ask about e-mail headers? |
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| 20:02.14 | invariant | Cyclohexane, nowhere, read the RFCs. |
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| 20:02.42 | petn-randall | Cyclohexane: Ask ahead, we might refer you to some other place depending on the questoin. |
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| 20:04.18 | Cyclohexane | petn-randall: spf=softfail (google.com: domain of transitioning gary.berendt@serchen.com does not designate 5.28.58.11 as permitted sender) |
| 20:04.31 | Cyclohexane | Does this mean he's sending e-mail via my domain? |
| 20:04.41 | Cyclohexane | I don't own serchen.com... |
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| 20:07.29 | petn-randall | Cyclohexane: I'm missing context. Could you paste the full headers somewhere? you can change the user part of the e-mail addresses if you like. |
| 20:08.06 | petn-randall | (brb) |
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| 20:11.18 | Cyclohexane | petn-randall: http://pastebin.com/cqT63dZB |
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| 20:14.43 | sparr | I'm inserting a USB flash drive and I get entries in /var/log/messages and /var/log/syslog showing it recognized as a USB DISK, but no new /dev/sd* entries are created for it |
| 20:15.26 | somiaj | sparr: what does dmesg say about the drive? Care to paste the relevant output at paste.debian.net |
| 20:16.27 | sparr | somiaj: http://paste.debian.net/243205/ except for the timestamps this is the same thing that the two log files say |
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| 20:17.31 | somiaj | seems that something about that device isn't telling the kernel to use the usb massstorage to treat it like a drive |
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| 20:18.18 | sparr | :( |
| 20:18.56 | somiaj | so it sees the device, it reads the info from the devices and outputs it. But it never actually assigns the device to the usb drive module...not sure how to fix that. |
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| 20:19.13 | Cyclohexane | try mounting it manaully? |
| 20:19.19 | Cyclohexane | sparr: ^ |
| 20:19.29 | somiaj | Cyclohexane: it won't even give him a disk drive, so that won't help |
| 20:19.48 | somiaj | Cyclohexane: until it is detected as a drive and assigns it /dev/sdb for instance, mounting it is not the issue |
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| 20:22.11 | Cyclohexane | sparr: is it seen in fdisk? |
| 20:23.25 | Stadtpirat | Hi. I am looking for a verb you use if you do a bug report and want to explain what you did to get the error so that others can ... the problem, where "..." is the verb I don't know. LOL. Any ideas? |
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| 20:23.42 | sparr | Cyclohexane: no, fdisk -l can't see it |
| 20:24.02 | mtn | Stadtpirat: troubleshoot? |
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| 20:24.31 | mtn | Stadtpirat: replicate? |
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| 20:24.42 | Stadtpirat | I think it's replicate :) |
| 20:24.44 | Stadtpirat | Thanks |
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| 20:25.34 | Stadtpirat | Yep it is. I am not a native English speaker and sometimes I run into that kind of language shortages ^^ |
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| 20:26.30 | mtn | Stadtpirat: so do English speakers :) |
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| 20:27.21 | somiaj | sparr: ls -l /sys/bus/usb/devices? (can you figure out which of those deviesis your usb drive) If you can I can tell you how to force the usb-storge device to bind to it |
| 20:27.32 | andkore | turns out my approach was right, I had just moved the wrong set of files (.17 instead of .17) in the x86_64 directory. |
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| 20:29.48 | petn-randall | Cyclohexane: you have a weird mail setup. I'm wondering why the mail got piped through google. |
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| 20:31.08 | petn-randall | Cyclohexane: either way, it looks like the sender may have screwed up their SPF records. Is the mail from @serchen.com? |
| 20:31.15 | sparr | somiaj: I gave up. these drives have a high defect rate, just gonna try another one. thanks for the advice |
| 20:31.15 | Cyclohexane | petn-randall: mails to my@domain.com get forwared to my@gmail.com (from the 5. address) |
| 20:31.50 | somiaj | sparr: yea if it was an issue with the kernel, it could be it just didn't like the device ID, and you needed to force the kernel to reconize that id. But yes it coudl be it was just bad |
| 20:32.00 | Cyclohexane | petn-randall: that mail is from @serchen.com to my@domain.com which is then forwarded at 5. to my@gmail.com |
| 20:32.19 | sparr | it recognizes another device with the same id |
| 20:32.29 | somiaj | then most likely bad device. |
| 20:32.43 | petn-randall | Cyclohexane: I'd help if you tell me @domain.com, so I can check the SPF records. |
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| 20:32.55 | petn-randall | *It'd |
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| 20:34.00 | petn-randall | Stadtpirat: dict.leo.org is a good english-german translator (assuming from your name you speak german) |
| 20:34.01 | Cyclohexane | petn-randall: petn-randall v=spf1 include:aspmx.googlemail.com +a +mx +mx:mail.domain.com -all |
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| 20:36.43 | lyppo_ | hi guys |
| 20:36.59 | somasonic | i hi |
| 20:37.31 | lyppo_ | regarding LUKS, do i have to close (luksClose) my partitions mappings when i'm rebooting/shutdown the system? |
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| 20:39.55 | brontosaurusrex | anybody in lightworks 4 linux alpha program? |
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| 20:40.20 | lyppo_ | or doing an umount is enough, i'm wondering if leaving the mapping (with the partition already unmounted) does any hurt. |
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| 20:42.27 | dougwiser | I'm copying a CDROM to USB using dd I used the syntax dd if=/dev/sr0 of=/dev/sdb bs=100M and got the error message dd: opening `/dev/sr0': No medium found how can I ascertain the drive designation |
| 20:42.30 | petn-randall | Cyclohexane: I would have thought that it's because the sender is sending from an different IP than @serchen.com allowed, but checking the SPF that domain doesn't have one. |
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| 20:43.04 | petn-randall | Cyclohexane: I'm still trying to figure out why the mail went google -> glasgow.nswebhost.com -> google |
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| 20:43.23 | petn-randall | dougwiser: fdisk -l |
| 20:43.27 | mikygee | hello I have a general question about certificates |
| 20:43.38 | mikygee | I use certificates for my slapd, dovecot, httpd |
| 20:43.42 | Cyclohexane | petn-randall: dig TXT serchen.com: v=spf1 a mx ptr ip4:184.106.182.56 ip4:74.205.26.80 include:_spf.google.com ~all |
| 20:43.48 | mikygee | should I use the same server certificate for all of them (since it's the same physical server) or should I used different ones ? |
| 20:44.16 | petn-randall | dougwiser: I strongly suggest you make sure you're *writing* to the write drive before executing the command. Otherwise you might your OS drive. |
| 20:44.35 | petn-randall | Cyclohexane: oh right, SPF might also be in TXT. I guess it's solved then :) |
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| 20:45.29 | petn-randall | Cyclohexane: So the sender probably configured a wrong mail relay in his mail program (it's the cause in at least 99% of the cases.) |
| 20:45.41 | dougwiser | petn-randall: so what I can install the system, and what the heck do i do with fdisk -1 it gives no output |
| 20:46.45 | dougwiser | wait that was l |
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| 20:47.10 | petn-randall | dougwiser: copy and paste is your friend :) |
| 20:47.13 | mikygee | dougwiser: not 1 but small LLLLLLLLLL |
| 20:47.26 | dougwiser | it still does not give any output |
| 20:48.01 | mikygee | dougwiser: and just fdisk ? |
| 20:48.13 | petn-randall | dougwiser: you sure you typed it write? |
| 20:48.38 | petn-randall | dougwiser: You typed it in a console, right? |
| 20:48.57 | petn-randall | s/write/right/ lol |
| 20:49.22 | dougwiser | I copy and paste like you suggested, but checking the fdisk syntax I need to specify a disk, which I wanted to know what my cdrom was called thats why I asked |
| 20:49.47 | petn-randall | dougwiser: no, 'fdisk -l' output you a list of all disks and partition, that's the whole point. |
| 20:49.49 | dougwiser | mikygee: fdisk told me that his syntax was wrong |
| 20:50.12 | petn-randall | dougwiser: are you even on a Debian machine? |
| 20:50.12 | dougwiser | fdisk [options] -l <disk> list partition table(s) |
| 20:50.20 | dougwiser | I guess not |
| 20:50.23 | mikygee | dougwiser: ok try something like fdisk -l /dev/hda |
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| 20:50.30 | jhutchins_wk | Wait, you can't fdisk a CDROM |
| 20:51.05 | mikygee | petn-randall: I personally use openbsd and the fdisk syntax is different |
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| 20:52.14 | petn-randall | I'm just wandering why he's asking on #debian if it's not a Debian system he needs help with ... |
| 20:52.44 | mikygee | petn-randall: yes good question |
| 20:53.12 | mikygee | petn-randall: as for me I came here because I used to use debian |
| 20:53.25 | jhutchins_wk | petn-randall: I'm guessing he's trying to install debian, and probably was working in Windows. |
| 20:53.35 | jhutchins_wk | although... he did run dd.... |
| 20:54.12 | jhutchins_wk | We'll never know I guess. |
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| 20:57.57 | mrtux | eh |
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| 20:58.16 | mrtux | sorry. |
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| 21:06.11 | ambroff | Hey duders. We have an apt repository that we're maintaining with reprepro, and now we want to rebuild some packages for a newer Ubuntu release. I naively assumed that I could just add a second hunk to conf/distributions, rebuild all of my packages on the new release and add them. |
| 21:06.13 | ambroff | Codename: lucid |
| 21:06.15 | ambroff | Components: production |
| 21:06.15 | ambroff | Architectures: amd64 |
| 21:06.15 | ambroff | SignWith: F969A4A6 |
| 21:06.15 | ambroff | Codename: precise |
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| 21:09.18 | ompaul | ambroff perhaps you wanted #ubuntu |
| 21:09.33 | ambroff | well, I'm asking a question about Debian packaging tools |
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| 21:09.48 | ambroff | so this seemed like the right place |
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| 21:09.57 | ompaul | packaging for debian and ubuntu differ somewhat afik |
| 21:10.07 | ambroff | I don't think that's true at all |
| 21:10.32 | ompaul | http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/packaging-tutorial/packaging-tutorial.en.pdf |
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| 21:11.39 | ambroff | that part I get. I just found the layout with different codenames in the pool kinda surprising since packages added to different (codename, production) pairs collide in the pool |
| 21:11.50 | ambroff | so I assume I'm doing something wrong with my approach to managing the repo |
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| 21:12.39 | superlinux | hi. i cannot do dpkg --add-architecture on wheezy am64 to install skype. what should i do? |
| 21:12.45 | ompaul | perhaps it is fair to say it's really a ubuntu dev question - or mentoring question in that space because it has nothing to do with debian per say |
| 21:13.06 | petn-randall | superlinux: Assuming you can do it, what happens when you do? |
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| 21:13.25 | ambroff | well is there a debian developer channel then, because I totally don't agree with that. |
| 21:13.30 | superlinux | dpkg gives me the help message |
| 21:13.31 | dpkg | superlinux: I give up, what is it? |
| 21:14.01 | superlinux | dpkg, nothing you silly bot! lol |
| 21:14.02 | dpkg | superlinux: I don't know, could you explain it? |
| 21:14.12 | ambroff | ompaul if I had used Debian release codenames in my question that wouldn't have been your response |
| 21:14.13 | petn-randall | superlinux: paste the full command line and message, please. |
| 21:14.16 | ambroff | and it would be an equally valid question |
| 21:14.39 | petn-randall | ambroff: Are you maintaining reprepro on a Debian machine? |
| 21:15.01 | ambroff | no, it's an Ubuntu machine |
| 21:15.03 | ompaul | ambroff: I'll be slightly pedantic, the problem is about naming conventions within ubuntu |
| 21:15.18 | ompaul | this channel you may note is not #ubuntu, it is actually #debian |
| 21:15.20 | superlinux | dpkg --add-architecture i386 |
| 21:15.20 | dpkg | superlinux: I don't know, could you explain it? |
| 21:15.21 | TheWarden | I'm wanting to create a package, is this a good resource to get started http://wiki.debian.org/HowToPackageForDebian? |
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| 21:15.40 | ambroff | ompaul: wow you are extremely unhelpful. reprepro works the same |
| 21:15.42 | ompaul | TheWarden: it's one http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/packaging-tutorial/packaging-tutorial.en.pdf being another |
| 21:15.44 | superlinux | petn-randall, i want to install skype 4.1. that's why |
| 21:15.58 | ompaul | ambroff: I'm a fool. |
| 21:16.19 | ambroff | I guess this is a user focussed channel, not a developer channel |
| 21:16.31 | petn-randall | ambroff: It's in vain for us to guess if Ubuntu has changed anything in their packages or not. Please do take it up with #ubuntu |
| 21:16.35 | ambroff | I'll move to #debian-devel |
| 21:16.46 | petn-randall | ambroff: move to #ubuntu-devel |
| 21:17.18 | TheWarden | ompaul: thanks |
| 21:17.26 | petn-randall | ambroff: It's not because we don't like Ubuntu folks, it's just that Ubuntu does some things different in packaging. And I at least don't know the details. |
| 21:17.26 | ompaul | TheWarden: you're welcome |
| 21:17.30 | ambroff | petn-randall: I can 100% guarantee that they haven't changed the way apt works |
| 21:17.48 | ompaul | apt is the delivery tool |
| 21:17.53 | petn-randall | ambroff: I'm not talking about apt. I'm takling about reprepro. |
| 21:17.54 | ompaul | it's not the packaging |
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| 21:18.08 | ambroff | wow, you guys are insufferable. OK I'm leaving. |
| 21:18.10 | petn-randall | ambroff: and also how they package there other packages. |
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| 21:18.51 | ompaul | thinks the ubuntu packaging guides are really clear |
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| 21:19.02 | ompaul | so they move |
| 21:19.15 | petn-randall | Weird folks. I bet he shows up to a gyn asking for something against his headache, and leaves in a huff when the gyn recommends a different doctor. |
| 21:19.34 | ompaul | petn-randall: hehe |
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| 21:21.26 | petn-randall | "I'm sorry, but you're a dude and your headache is not related to any lady parts." -- "You know what! Screw you! I'm taking my healthcare somewhere else!" |
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| 21:22.04 | IchEsseDichAuf | hi, i have a pogoplug with wheezy here. get some problems with kernel update. i try to change from some custom kernel to 3.2.0-kirkwood. so i get a new kernel with apt. all right, get it, installed it. but pogoplug boot the old custom one |
| 21:22.43 | john_rambo | I just installed Google Chrome but when I checked my sources.list there is no repo added. So how will it update ? |
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| 21:23.45 | IchEsseDichAuf | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:24.13 | dshep | john_rambo: it adds its source in /etc/apt/sources.d/ |
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| 21:25.02 | john_rambo | dshep, Got it. Thanks |
| 21:25.13 | dshep | john_rambo: that should be sources.list.d |
| 21:25.21 | petn-randall | superlinux: Could you use http://pastie.org/ and copy-paste the whole response? Also the output of 'dpkg --version' |
| 21:25.21 | ompaul | IchEsseDichAuf: have you done your grub update if the kernel is on the box? |
| 21:25.22 | john_rambo | yes i checked |
| 21:25.56 | IchEsseDichAuf | ompaul: there is uboot loader |
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| 21:26.09 | ompaul | no idea how that works |
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| 21:26.21 | ompaul | IchEsseDichAuf: should you be talking to embedded people? |
| 21:26.31 | IchEsseDichAuf | may be |
| 21:26.40 | ompaul | !emdebian |
| 21:26.40 | dpkg | Emdebian is a binary distribution for embedded devices. It is created by the Embedded Debian project, an official Debian sub-project, which aims to make Debian GNU/Linux a mainstream choice for embedded projects. http://wiki.debian.org/Embedded_Debian http://www.emdebian.org/ #emdebian on irc.oftc.net. |
| 21:26.53 | superlinux | petn-randall, it's just this command. that's all |
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| 21:29.02 | petn-randall | superlinux: Yes, but I can't help you if I don't know the output. |
| 21:29.54 | rww | IchEsseDichAuf: http://www.cyrius.com/debian/kirkwood/sheevaplug/faq.html , last question. that's sheevaplug, but I expect it's the same |
| 21:30.41 | petn-randall | superlinux: surely there is some output from the commands? |
| 21:30.57 | superlinux | petn-randall, just let me see. it's for a remote pc. not at my hands now |
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| 21:31.32 | IchEsseDichAuf | rww: thanks, looks good |
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| 21:34.54 | lakcaj | Hi. Is there a list of recommended basic iptables rules for a simple debian webserver? |
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| 21:36.06 | petn-randall | lakcaj: There are some iptables best practices, but ultimately you need to know which services you want accessible by others. |
| 21:37.25 | lakcaj | petn-randall: of course. I'm only interested in http (80/443) and ssh. Do you have a favourite "best practises" link? |
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| 21:38.19 | petn-randall | lakcaj: it's a pdf, lemme find the URL |
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| 21:39.40 | lakcaj | Is the the debian admin's handbook? If so, I'll look in there. |
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| 21:40.38 | petn-randall | lakcaj: http://inai.de/documents/Perfect_Ruleset.pdf |
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| 21:41.03 | babilen | petn-randall: (that's linked in the FAQ /topic of ##netfilter (in case you have problems to find it again)) |
| 21:41.29 | petn-randall | lakcaj: If you want a little more high-level control, you might consider a firewall like shorewall. It's well documented. |
| 21:41.45 | petn-randall | babilen: sweet |
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| 21:42.15 | jhutchins_wk | lakcaj: Basically you don't need to worry about ports that aren't open. |
| 21:42.25 | lakcaj | petn-randall: thanks! |
| 21:42.30 | babilen | http://inai.de/links/iptables/ |
| 21:42.33 | jhutchins_wk | lakcaj: You should probably run ssh on an alternate port to avoid DOS attacks. |
| 21:42.39 | lakcaj | done :-) |
| 21:42.40 | petn-randall | lakcaj: you're welcome, any time again :) |
| 21:42.57 | petn-randall | bed time for me, have fun everyone :) |
| 21:43.01 | jhutchins_wk | Shorewall is probably overkill. |
| 21:43.55 | babilen | Just don't open anything that you don't use. A firewall can only help as much. I still prefer http://www.dumbentia.com/pdflib/scissors.pdf |
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| 21:47.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | babilen, we had a nasty accident with these, when someone happened to secure the power lines |
| 21:47.32 | lakcaj | babilen: I actually downloaded that pdf and thought I would compare the two approaches :-) |
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| 21:47.49 | lakcaj | Anyway, thanks for all the help |
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| 21:53.26 | babilen | lakcaj: Hehe :) -- Sorry, it was a joke. (but it makes wonderful office decoration) |
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| 21:54.13 | kresp0 | lakcaj, I would use shorewall. Take a look to some simple rules file: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=GTNW86Tm |
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| 21:57.23 | Konomi | lakcaj: fail2ban can help with spammy logins too |
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| 21:59.04 | jhutchins_wk | lakcaj: fail2ban also does a great job of locking you out of your own system if you mess up. Make sure you set a timeout. |
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| 21:59.54 | jhutchins_wk | kresp0: shorewall is really massive overkill for a simple single server. |
| 22:00.48 | jhutchins_wk | kresp0: It's intended for a large scale mult-tiered network. |
| 22:00.57 | jhutchins_wk | !firewall |
| 22:00.59 | dpkg | A firewall is a boundary - usually a computer or network appliance - between your private network and the Internet. A firewall cannot protect the computer it is running on. Ask me about <iptables>. See also <arno-iptables-firewall>, <ferm>, <firehol>. |
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| 22:01.25 | jhutchins_wk | Note that second statement. |
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| 22:02.54 | jhutchins_wk | lakcaj: Moving the ssh daemon to an alternative port will take care of most problems. If it's not on the default port it's not worth the hacker's effort to find it. |
| 22:03.36 | jhutchins_wk | lakcaj: If you think you need to block IPs or IP ranges from the webserver, you really should block them upstream, but a simple script is all you need. |
| 22:03.55 | TheWarden | I'm following this http://wiki.debian.org/CreateDummyPackage to learn about creating packages and I get to the point to create an empty package but I don't have the command equivs-control, should I be concerned or just move on and keep reading. |
| 22:03.57 | TheWarden | ? |
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| 22:07.05 | TheWarden | I get the following trying to run equivs-control, -bash: equivs-control: command not found |
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| 22:08.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | you can find out yourself in what package it is |
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| 22:08.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | dpkg, tell TheWarden about apt-file |
| 22:08.29 | TheWarden | mmm I guess one would install the package, equvis |
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| 22:10.18 | TheWarden | mmm the description doesn't sound right, I want to create a proper package however this package would be used locally as it would basically copy script files and create directories along with set a few settings on the system. |
| 22:10.36 | blastwave | anyone know why I can not compile a 64-bit binary on my Debian wheezy system? 32-bit no problem but if gcc -m64 hello.c is tried .. I get this : /usr/include/features.h:323:26: fatal error: bits/predefs.h: No such file or directory |
| 22:11.24 | TheWarden | instead of me having to do a 36 step process doing it manually. |
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| 22:15.31 | mmnicolas | anyone aware of an aptitude super power to list all files not owned by a currently installed package ? My installation feels dirty of all the "Folder not empty, so not removed" |
| 22:15.34 | john_rambo | when I open any video file with vlc it just vanishes |
| 22:16.00 | penguin1 | During Debian installation there are messages like: 'Found additional dependencies [...]" |
| 22:16.14 | penguin1 | When those messages are shown, there seems to be a pause |
| 22:16.26 | penguin1 | Is there really a pause? Does the installer really stop there? |
| 22:16.49 | penguin1 | Not that this is for the user (what would be very bad indeed) |
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| 22:20.29 | mmnicolas | penguin1: what ? why ? |
| 22:21.55 | penguin1 | mmnicolas: because apparently there is no harddrive / network activity (VM indicators). |
| 22:21.59 | penguin1 | and it pauses there |
| 22:22.02 | penguin1 | you could try it |
| 22:24.15 | mmnicolas | try switching to one of the other ttys, one is showing a log |
| 22:25.25 | penguin1 | which tty is it? tty4 is a menu |
| 22:25.33 | penguin1 | I could access shell over menu, but it is not a log |
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| 22:26.09 | mmnicolas | one of them is |
| 22:27.13 | apathor | john_rambo: what vanishes? the file or the vlc window? |
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| 22:27.28 | Miika-- | Hello |
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| 22:30.20 | Miika-- | I have older Thinkpad A30, which has ATI graphics card (Radeon Mobility M6 LY, says lspci). I have installed debian, xorg, fluxbox (and something else) but when I move, for example browser window around, it lags and moves way too slow... How could I fix that? |
| 22:30.53 | Lasse- | You're using radeon-driver? |
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| 22:31.08 | rww | install firmware-linux-nonfree, reboot, see if that helps |
| 22:31.16 | rww | (it does for my Radeon HD3450 |
| 22:31.39 | Miika-- | Yes, I had it first in /etc/xorg.conf, but then I changed it to "ati" |
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| 22:43.55 | Miika-- | should I change the xorg.conf entry back to radeon before booting? |
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| 22:57.33 | steven324 | I have some sort of process keeping files open: http://perl.nopaste.dk/p23399 How to find this process using lsof? |
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| 23:01.49 | apathor | hyg/wc |
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| 23:08.28 | TheWarden | to install grub2 to a usb flash drive does one have to use --force --no-flopppy? I thought one is to always place grub2 in the MBR |
| 23:08.33 | Yoshi11 | hey i have an sh file for a minecraft server i want to load on rebooting how do i do that |
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| 23:10.41 | Towzzer | Yoshi11, you can put it in /etc/rc.local |
| 23:11.13 | petn-randall | TheWarden: you can also write later stages of grub2 onto a filesystem, though that's less secure/resilient. |
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| 23:11.51 | TheWarden | petn-randall: what do you mean? |
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| 23:13.28 | Towzzer | grub is too big to fit in the mbr and writes part 2 of it's program on the disk somewhere else |
| 23:13.31 | Towzzer | that's standard |
| 23:13.49 | Yoshi11 | Towzzer: anything else i have to do like update.rc? |
| 23:14.13 | TheWarden | oh okay, well then I'll try this again tomorrow with --force --no-floppy |
| 23:14.13 | Towzzer | no, that's for init.d scripts and their links |
| 23:14.19 | tharkun | !cups |
| 23:14.19 | dpkg | CUPS (formerly Common Unix Printing System) provides a portable printing layer for Unix-based operating systems and supports the Internet Printing Protocol. To install, ask me about <cups setup>. See also <debug cups>. http://cups.org/articles.php?L+TFAQ http://www.cups.org/ ##cups on irc.freenode.net. |
| 23:14.21 | Towzzer | rc.local is a cheat |
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| 23:15.53 | TheWarden | have a good one all, night. |
| 23:16.32 | Towzzer | bye bye |
| 23:16.33 | Towzzer | oh |
| 23:16.38 | Towzzer | d-bag |
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| 23:19.17 | Yoshi11 | how do i make debian boot into a cli instead of a gui? |
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| 23:19.50 | Towzzer | go to /etc/inittab |
| 23:19.54 | Towzzer | change it to 2 |
| 23:20.30 | petn-randall | Towzzer: 2 is the default in debian. |
| 23:20.39 | petn-randall | 1 is single mode |
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| 23:21.05 | Towzzer | I think he wants to boot into a shell :D |
| 23:21.08 | Towzzer | not into single user mode |
| 23:21.25 | bezaban | you can 'sudo rcconf' and un-check gdm |
| 23:21.42 | jhutchins_wk | Debian doesn't have that option outside of single user mode, but single might work dependingon what you want. |
| 23:22.02 | Towzzer | oh, I thought run level 3 was gui |
| 23:22.02 | jhutchins_wk | Towzzer: Single user mode is a shell with no networking services. |
| 23:22.06 | Towzzer | and 2 was shell |
| 23:22.15 | Towzzer | what system am I thinking of |
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| 23:22.22 | jhutchins_wk | Towzzer: Not in debian, they're all the same except 0,1 and 6 |
| 23:23.15 | petn-randall | Towzzer: Suse had gui on 5, text mode on 2 :) |
| 23:23.17 | jhutchins_wk | Towzzer: Most of the RH/RPM tree uses different runlevels in 2,3,4 7 5 - 3 is console, 5 is X. |
| 23:23.30 | Towzzer | my job involves redhat but my heart is with debian |
| 23:23.34 | Towzzer | so I get all turned around |
| 23:23.53 | jhutchins_wk | Redhat/Centos, Fedora, suse, mandriva, etc. |
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| 23:24.13 | Yoshi11 | Towzzer: yeah a shell |
| 23:24.23 | jhutchins_wk | You can set up the runlevels like that in debian - and you can pass the runlevel to the kernel at boot. |
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| 23:25.27 | jhutchins_wk | Yoshi11: If you're already in the GUI you can use Ctrl-Alt-F[1-6] and get a console. |
| 23:25.29 | awc737 | wtf, as su root, I have "no write permission" on /etc/hosts |
| 23:25.42 | awc737 | Error writing /root/.nano_history: Read-only file system |
| 23:25.43 | Towzzer | that's possible |
| 23:25.56 | Towzzer | root is mounted as read only |
| 23:26.04 | jhutchins_wk | awc737: That's probably why you can't write to /etc/hosts. |
| 23:26.09 | awc737 | why? |
| 23:26.17 | awc737 | I just chmod 775 /etc |
| 23:26.21 | jhutchins_wk | awc737: Because / is mounted ro. |
| 23:26.29 | Towzzer | maybe a bad disk? |
| 23:26.30 | awc737 | ro? |
| 23:26.33 | Towzzer | or something more beign |
| 23:26.34 | Towzzer | read only |
| 23:26.36 | jhutchins_wk | Read Only/ |
| 23:26.38 | awc737 | wtf... |
| 23:26.41 | Towzzer | does anyone pay attention to me :D |
| 23:26.42 | jhutchins_wk | awc737: Check the mount command. |
| 23:26.50 | Yoshi11 | jhutchins_wk: yeah but this is for a different comp i dont want it booting into a gui |
| 23:27.04 | bezaban | Yoshi11: do 'sudo rcconf' and un-check gdm3 |
| 23:27.12 | jhutchins_wk | Yoshi11: Disable the display manager, probably gdm3 |
| 23:27.17 | caf | most filesystems will put themselves into readonly mode if they detect corruption or the disk reports a serious error |
| 23:27.18 | abrotman | awc737: check /proc/mounts |
| 23:27.32 | awc737 | i'm not sure what to be checking for... |
| 23:27.35 | awc737 | my pc has worked fine in the past |
| 23:27.36 | jhutchins_wk | Or just "mount" |
| 23:27.38 | awc737 | maybe reboot? |
| 23:27.40 | caf | check /var/log/messages |
| 23:27.51 | awc737 | yeah but these tips only help if I know what I'm looking for |
| 23:27.57 | awc737 | or if I paste everything to you |
| 23:27.57 | jhutchins_wk | awc737: Find out what's wrong first or you might not be able to reboot. |
| 23:28.12 | jhutchins_wk | awc737: The mount command will tell you what is mounted and how. |
| 23:28.15 | Towzzer | dmesg |grep '/dev/sda' |
| 23:28.23 | Towzzer | try that, assuming your root is /dev/sda |
| 23:28.32 | jhutchins_wk | All kinds of good suggestions. |
| 23:28.58 | Yoshi11 | thanks |
| 23:28.59 | awc737 | http://paste.laravel.com/l0l |
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| 23:29.10 | awc737 | l0l |
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| 23:30.05 | awc737 | rebooting |
| 23:30.09 | caf | so line 7 is your root partition, and it's indeed mounted read only at the moment |
| 23:30.13 | abrotman | eh, what? |
| 23:30.21 | caf | probably because it detected an error |
| 23:30.24 | awc737 | caf, but how to fix |
| 23:30.31 | abrotman | awc737: shutdown -rF now |
| 23:30.36 | abrotman | it will reboot the box |
| 23:30.41 | caf | the error it detected would be logged to dmesg |
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| 23:30.50 | caf | so do dmesg | Tail |
| 23:30.52 | caf | err tail |
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| 23:32.32 | caf | don't reboot yet because you'll lose the original error if you do |
| 23:33.57 | abrotman | no he won't |
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| 23:35.06 | petn-randall | abrotman: uhm, ro filesystem? |
| 23:35.27 | abrotman | does /var/ live on / ? |
| 23:35.35 | abrotman | already closed the link |
| 23:36.04 | petn-randall | abrotman: jup |
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| 23:37.19 | abrotman | well then, to hell with errors! |
| 23:37.33 | petn-randall | :) |
| 23:39.05 | tharkun | abrotman: How fluent are you in Black Magic concerning failling cups? |
| 23:39.38 | abrotman | tharkun: i don't own a printer, nor have I in about uh .. 13 years? |
| 23:40.06 | tharkun | abrotman: Thanks |
| 23:40.51 | petn-randall | pm-utils / uswsusp : Is one of them deprecated? Any reason to prefer one above the other? |
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