| 00:01.19 | petn-randall | two answer my own question: uswsusp is the userspace hibernate way, in competition to the kernel one. pm-utils is a framework to use either of those hibernation ways. |
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| 00:52.15 | oo_miguel | I am trying to build my first cutom kernel module, however I need to get the sources of my currently running kernel in place. can I get them with apt? |
| 00:52.39 | oo_miguel | I did NOT compile the currently running kernel myself |
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| 00:53.42 | oo_miguel | uname -r : tells me: 2.6.32-042stab062.1 |
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| 00:54.08 | themill | I'd say you have little chance of being able to add modules to that kernel |
| 00:54.17 | abrotman | VPS? |
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| 00:54.31 | oo_miguel | abrotman: yes |
| 00:54.50 | oo_miguel | themill: because it does not support modules at all? |
| 00:55.15 | themill | that's the host kernel not your VPS kernel -- you won't be able to do things to it |
| 00:55.23 | oo_miguel | ah |
| 00:55.30 | oo_miguel | makes sense |
| 00:56.55 | oo_miguel | I will try it on another machine then. so assuming i am running a stock-debian kernel. how do I get the corresponding source tree in place? |
| 00:57.21 | oo_miguel | I need them to be configured as well in order to build an own module right? |
| 00:57.25 | themill | the header package should be enough |
| 00:58.20 | mitch|grounded | yay, ie5.5 crashed when debian iso at 99% on download... and ie is refusing to continue the download from there -_- |
| 00:58.39 | mitch|grounded | (only supported browser for this box is ie5.5) |
| 01:00.05 | oo_miguel | themill: thx |
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| 01:03.25 | abrotman | mitch|grounded: IIRC, FF does install on NT4 |
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| 01:09.20 | mitch|grounded | abrotman: i know |
| 01:09.23 | mitch|grounded | hence me using IE |
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| 01:09.39 | mitch|grounded | thunderird better run |
| 01:09.57 | mitch|grounded | yay it does |
| 01:10.18 | abrotman | wonders about thunderbird downloading ISOs |
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| 01:11.22 | themill | (wget is available for other legacy operating systems too...) |
| 01:14.42 | boudiccas | how do i restart bash please? i've just amended '.bashrc' and would like to reartt it without having to log out of my session |
| 01:14.46 | boudiccas | restart |
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| 01:15.02 | abrotman | source it |
| 01:15.35 | mitch|grounded | boudiccas: souce .bashrc |
| 01:15.39 | mitch|grounded | erm |
| 01:15.46 | mitch|grounded | source .bashrc |
| 01:16.06 | boudiccas | ah, thanks. i wondered what abrotman meant and who he was talking to :) |
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| 01:19.48 | abrotman | cause i'm crazy |
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| 01:23.50 | Alexx2_ | hello all |
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| 01:24.06 | Alexx2_ | i am about to install debian for the first time |
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| 01:24.20 | Alexx2_ | already got me the guides needed |
| 01:24.23 | Alexx2_ | but i have a question |
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| 01:24.56 | Alexx2_ | how do i take the best of my debian durng the install |
| 01:25.18 | Alexx2_ | is there anything else you know that i don't about it? |
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| 01:32.26 | lobolife | I just reformatted my lacie external quadra HD to ext4 and it's suddenly making terrible noises. Would there be any possibility that I changed something that is causing it or is it probably just HD failure? |
| 01:33.18 | somiaj | lobolife: the file system shouldn't do that? Have you done a SMART diagonstic yet? |
| 01:33.53 | somiaj | lobolife: look at the smartmontools packge, you can tell the drive to do both a short and long self test |
| 01:34.05 | bezaban | reformatting could have put the final nail in the coffin |
| 01:34.07 | lobolife | somiaj: I have not. I will try that. thank you! |
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| 01:40.03 | doublehp | what is the lightest browser for X that will support 95% of facebook ? Iceweasel does not fit my RAM |
| 01:40.21 | abrotman | you have 32MB RAM ? |
| 01:40.32 | doublehp | 512M |
| 01:40.57 | doublehp | and it takes an additional 400M swap |
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| 01:42.35 | abrotman | stop visiting flash websites :) |
| 01:42.52 | doublehp | off topc |
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| 01:47.17 | ledestin | Can I umount when the mount point was deleted? |
| 01:47.42 | doublehp | ledestin: try lazy (lasy?) |
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| 01:48.09 | ledestin | doublehp: eh? |
| 01:48.18 | doublehp | umount -l |
| 01:48.57 | ledestin | doublehp: no luck |
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| 01:49.49 | doublehp | ledestin: kill processes using it first |
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| 01:50.17 | nickgaw | Hi, How in debian wheezy do you change the system from standard to daylight savings time or have it done automatically? |
| 01:50.40 | doublehp | nickgaw: tzconfig |
| 01:51.01 | doublehp | which should tell you to run dpkg-reconfigure tz-data or so |
| 01:51.33 | nickgaw | if my hardware clock is set to the local time and not utc is the same process required? |
| 01:51.48 | doublehp | nickgaw: I always set my RTC to UTC, and let the cession locales bother about tz |
| 01:52.07 | doublehp | I *NEVER* set RTC to local |
| 01:52.12 | ledestin | doublehp: fuser doesn't report any using sr0 |
| 01:52.24 | themill | nickgaw: as long as you have configured adjtime for LOCAL not UTC, yes, that's fine. |
| 01:52.31 | doublehp | ledestin: don't look for the block, but for the mnt point |
| 01:52.34 | abrotman | ledestin: what does sr0 point at ? |
| 01:52.38 | ledestin | doublehp: umount complains about non-existing mount point |
| 01:52.44 | doublehp | ledestin: i use lsof, but there are other ones |
| 01:52.48 | nickgaw | as my system is a dual boot system that also runs windows 7 can my rtc be set to utc? |
| 01:52.57 | somiaj | doublehp: there are various light weight browsers based on webkit |
| 01:53.01 | ledestin | abrotman: it's /dev/sr0, doesn't point |
| 01:53.05 | somiaj | doublehp: I like vimprobable myself |
| 01:53.10 | doublehp | ledestin: /proc/mounts ? |
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| 01:53.57 | somiaj | nickgaw: yes, you may have to turn off windows setting up the clock automatically or set windows to utc timezone |
| 01:54.07 | ledestin | doublehp: /dev/sr0 /var/cache/pbuilder/build/15233/cd iso9660 ro,relatime 0 0 |
| 01:54.12 | somiaj | nickgaw: in the end it own't play nicely with windows, but you can |
| 01:54.47 | doublehp | ledestin: reboot ^^ |
| 01:55.10 | ledestin | doublehp: yeah, I know, just decided to finally do it w/o reboot |
| 01:55.46 | doublehp | ledestin: i personally think you can't.try #kernelnewbies or #linux |
| 01:56.01 | nickgaw | why are packages like britany and the remastering apt not packaged for debian but are talked about in the documentation where can I find them? |
| 01:56.02 | ledestin | doublehp: cool, thanks |
| 01:56.22 | doublehp | ledestin: since directory does not exists, even if you recreate it, the new one won't be binded to the right things in kernel land |
| 01:56.47 | ledestin | doublehp: that's right, I've tried that |
| 01:57.06 | doublehp | nickgaw: contrib issues ? |
| 01:57.13 | themill | nickgaw: they aren't really suitable for deployment outside debian because they are closely tied to debian infrastructure. The source code is all in public VCSes for you to look at though |
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| 01:57.34 | nickgaw | where can I download it? |
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| 02:00.31 | nickgaw | is there a debian developers documentation ppppppppppppproject that talks about those packages and where I can download them? |
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| 02:02.21 | themill | nickgaw: release.debian.org |
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| 02:17.34 | M-16 | how long debian squeeze will be supported? |
| 02:17.52 | abrotman | roughly one year after wheezy is released is the current plan |
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| 02:18.19 | M-16 | that's not that much |
| 02:18.48 | abrotman | squeeze was released in 2011 |
| 02:19.14 | M-16 | who own an old pc will be forced to buy a new one if want security updates |
| 02:19.20 | abrotman | no |
| 02:19.26 | M-16 | it's a bit more than one year ago |
| 02:19.42 | abrotman | it's 2013, 2011 would be two years ago ... |
| 02:19.52 | abrotman | it was released February, 2011 |
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| 02:20.14 | themill | M-16: there's no need to buy a new computer... you just upgrade to wheezy |
| 02:21.28 | M-16 | themill, my pc is already quite slow now and with the new kernel and all new application (wich are bigger and bigger for every ner release) will be much slower |
| 02:21.49 | abrotman | you won't know for certain until you try |
| 02:22.11 | abrotman | didn't need a new PC when going from squeeze to wheezy |
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| 02:23.04 | themill | M-16: quite a few things on wheezy will outperform squeeze. If your computer is already quite slow and only a year old, then perhaps there are other things to fix |
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| 02:23.19 | M-16 | abrotman, tha's what happened switching from sarge to etch and from etch to squeeze, so i guess will be the same for the next release |
| 02:23.38 | rww | As someone who's run squeeze on an iMac G3... lolwat |
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| 02:23.54 | M-16 | themill, my pc is 7 years old but still usable |
| 02:23.56 | abrotman | M-16: i have no idea what you're talking about .. sounds like oyu're doing something wrong |
| 02:24.13 | abrotman | M-16: i have squeeze on a PC from 1994 |
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| 02:24.20 | M-16 | and i don't need newer application, so i would be happy if squueze was supported longer |
| 02:24.21 | rww | The only increase in hardware requirements I've seen in the last decade or so is the whole compositing window manager thing, and if your PC is not relatively new you're not running one of those, so... yeah. |
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| 02:25.02 | themill | M-16: so the release cycle of debian is irrelevant to the age of your machine. |
| 02:25.18 | rww | M-16: perhaps try convincing other people to agree with you and start volunteering for, say, the security team then. With enough Debian developers, anything is possible. |
| 02:25.29 | M-16 | rww requirements means only that can be installed on that pc |
| 02:25.43 | rww | M-16: not in the sense I just used it. |
| 02:26.40 | calc | as long as you have a few hundred mb of ram debian should run pretty well, dpkg gets kinda slow < 64MB from what i recall |
| 02:28.01 | calc | my desktop computers are currently 3, 6, 9 years old and they all run linux fine, but they have plenty of memory |
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| 02:28.50 | M-16 | depends on what you mean by fine |
| 02:29.00 | M-16 | and how much memory you have? |
| 02:29.12 | abrotman | M-16: have you volunteered for the security team yet? |
| 02:29.13 | calc | my 18 year old pentium computer ran debian but was pretty slow due to limited memory (~64mb) |
| 02:29.37 | calc | M-16: 3, 6 year old systems have 8gb, not sure about the 9 year old one, haven't booted it in a while |
| 02:29.53 | M-16 | abrotman, no, I don't have the necessary skills |
| 02:30.05 | abrotman | M-16: so is there a point to this conversation? |
| 02:30.09 | rjsalts | I ran debian on a computer with 8 meg, back in 1997 |
| 02:30.27 | rfarris | no i'm older! |
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| 02:30.46 | calc | M-16: i don't notice a difference from the core 2 6300 speed wise for regular apps from my i7-3520 laptop (new) |
| 02:31.11 | rjsalts | so you could always install slink or potato if you felt really masochistic and foolish |
| 02:31.24 | calc | rjsalts: heh installing debian on 8mb sounds painful due to swapping from installer |
| 02:31.37 | M-16 | abrotman, i was just saying the point of view of an olp pc user |
| 02:31.42 | M-16 | old* |
| 02:31.56 | abrotman | M-16: And what are your PC specs? |
| 02:32.08 | Konomi | I doubt you'll have any problems on wheezy providing you stick with minimalistic applications |
| 02:32.16 | Konomi | if you want to run something old old old |
| 02:32.23 | M-16 | abrotman, cpu amd sempron 3100, ram 1gb |
| 02:32.34 | abrotman | M-16: Wheezy will be fine |
| 02:32.35 | rjsalts | you might want to run a custom kernel too |
| 02:32.36 | calc | rjsalts: found my potato release party card a couple days ago |
| 02:32.49 | M-16 | ok, i will try it |
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| 02:33.33 | calc | not to be rude but that sounds like lower end specs even 7 years ago |
| 02:34.11 | M-16 | what you mean? this pc was entry level 7 years ago |
| 02:34.14 | calc | the chip itself was released ~ 9 years ago |
| 02:34.28 | calc | M-16: ah ok |
| 02:34.39 | Konomi | try 12 years ago |
| 02:34.52 | abrotman | maybe stop arguing with him and let him try it |
| 02:34.54 | Konomi | I was on an amd athlon 2000 in 2001 |
| 02:35.14 | calc | even so thats close to the same specs as my 9 year old system but with less memory, upping the memory might help if you see low availability for -/+ free on second line of 'free' |
| 02:35.26 | rjsalts | maybe set CONFIG_EMBEDDED to disable a bunch of kernel features, although it sounds like the learning curve in doing that might be steep |
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| 02:35.59 | M-16 | i don't think that memory that fit this pc is still sold |
| 02:36.11 | calc | M-16: DDR1 PC3200 ? |
| 02:36.28 | M-16 | calc, actually i don't know, i should check |
| 02:36.31 | rjsalts | M-16: why not just get a raspberry pi or something. They're only 30 GBP |
| 02:36.34 | abrotman | maybe stop arguing with him and let him try it |
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| 02:37.08 | calc | yea yea try it, if you see low on the line i mentioned more memory will help speed things up due to availability for disk cache, etc |
| 02:37.11 | calc | :-) |
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| 02:37.22 | M-16 | ok, thanks |
| 02:37.52 | calc | M-16: if it does use PC3200 that should still be available from what i see in search results |
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| 02:41.02 | Bronze | Calls of various 16 years claiming that a cpu from thats more tha 8 or 9 years old should be replaced with better hardware, are very annoying to those of us who used to run UNIX with X-windows on Motorola 68020 based systemns with 4 MB of RAM. |
| 02:41.10 | Bronze | *16 year olds. |
| 02:41.51 | Bronze | gets his walker out and strides imeriously forth to give the word to the masses. |
| 02:42.03 | Bronze | *imperiously |
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| 02:43.22 | themill | Bronze: If you really believe that older releases perform better on older hardware and want to continue to provide security support for those older releases, you are more than welcome to do so. |
| 02:43.48 | Bronze | themill: Please don't generate random strawmen. |
| 02:44.20 | phantomcircuit | i just finished installing from the debian-live-6.0.7-amd64-gnome-desktop.img |
| 02:44.23 | Bronze | themill: also - work on recognizing humor when the word "walker" appears. :-) |
| 02:44.32 | gnarface | Bronze: alternately i think damnedsmall linux is based on debian and still uses a 2.4 kernel for just these very reasons; you wont find themill willing to help you with it but i think they probably have their own support avenues. |
| 02:44.36 | abrotman | so useful ... |
| 02:44.41 | phantomcircuit | reboot from the hdd, prompt is (live)root@devian:~# |
| 02:44.56 | phantomcircuit | gdm3 doesn't start and there's no Xorg.0.log to look at |
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| 02:45.07 | Bronze | gnarface: thats very nice. Did someone take the position that they should? |
| 02:45.37 | themill | Bronze: it's not a straw man at all. Volunteers either provide security support or they don't. The existing volunteers who do so for debian have said they can do it for about a year following the release of the next version of debian. |
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| 02:45.55 | themill | Bronze: If you want to do better, please do. Lots of people would love you for it. |
| 02:46.04 | phantomcircuit | rsyslog wont start either even though service rsyslog start claims it's starting |
| 02:46.09 | Bronze | themill: and you are adressing rthat to me because i said anything at all about that issue? |
| 02:46.21 | themill | Bronze: yes. |
| 02:46.27 | gnarface | Bronze: which and who? support it or run 2.4 kernel? http://www.damnsmalllinux.org/ anyway |
| 02:46.48 | rryoumaa | themill: did Bronze really say that older releases perform better on older hardware? |
| 02:46.54 | Bronze | themill: Fine, show me the line where I said anything at all about that issue. |
| 02:47.02 | themill | moves on |
| 02:47.04 | gnarface | Bronze: not actually sure its damnsmalllinux or tinylinux |
| 02:47.10 | abrotman | gnarface: move on please |
| 02:47.15 | Bronze | themill: wise choice. |
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| 02:47.49 | themill | Bronze: feel free to contribute usefully to support in #debian. |
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| 02:47.55 | phantomcircuit | anybody? |
| 02:48.08 | abrotman | phantomcircuit: hardware infomratoin might be helpful |
| 02:48.19 | Bronze | themill: learn to discern what people actually say. |
| 02:48.25 | *** mode/#debian [+q *!*@unaffiliated/bronze] by ChanServ |
| 02:48.33 | themill | phantomcircuit: which debian live image is that? |
| 02:48.36 | phantomcircuit | abrotman, it's a netbook aspire one |
| 02:48.38 | gnarface | phantomcircuit: you remembered to pull the cd out of the drive before rebooting right? |
| 02:48.44 | abrotman | phantomcircuit: that doesn't help me .. |
| 02:48.46 | phantomcircuit | <phantomcircuit> i just finished installing from the debian-live-6.0.7-amd64-gnome-desktop.img |
| 02:48.53 | phantomcircuit | it's a usb flash drive |
| 02:48.58 | phantomcircuit | which isn't plugged n |
| 02:49.11 | gnarface | spooky! its haunted! |
| 02:49.15 | themill | phantomcircuit: thanks -- I missed that amongst the noise. |
| 02:49.23 | abrotman | what noise ... |
| 02:49.38 | gnarface | he's talking about me abrotman |
| 02:49.40 | gnarface | leaves again |
| 02:49.51 | phantomcircuit | gnarface, im thinking the install image has somehow installed the live environment instead of the install environment |
| 02:50.12 | phantomcircuit | but i have no idea why that would happen |
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| 02:51.15 | phantomcircuit | i've installed on this laptop before with a 6.0.x usb hdd image |
| 02:52.03 | phantomcircuit | possibly the usb hdd image is broken? |
| 02:52.08 | phantomcircuit | i doubt it but worth asking |
| 02:52.14 | themill | phantomcircuit: The live installer is a bit odd at times. Lots of people end up reporting very odd failure modes with it and few people here will have every tried it, unfortunately. You might do better with #debian-live over on irc.oftc.net |
| 02:53.07 | phantomcircuit | i have a netinst iso image but once booted it tries to find a cdrom |
| 02:53.09 | phantomcircuit | so it fails |
| 02:53.39 | phantomcircuit | themill, i'll give it a try |
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| 02:54.21 | prefixed | is wheezy still part of sid? |
| 02:54.29 | prefixed | rather, labeled as sid? |
| 02:54.32 | abrotman | prefixed: never was |
| 02:54.56 | prefixed | why do I get this when I read etc/issue? Debian GNU/Linux wheezy/sid \n \l |
| 02:55.06 | themill | dpkg: tell prefixed about wheezy/sid |
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| 02:55.31 | themill | (also, wheezy has carried an /etc/issue that just reads "Wheezy" for a month or more now) |
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| 02:55.53 | themill | (or «Debian GNU/Linux 7.0 \n \l» to be precise) |
| 02:57.16 | prefixed | hm |
| 02:57.17 | prefixed | ok |
| 02:57.44 | prefixed | so let's say I want to update a bunch of stuff on a production machine. what commands should I run / what tutorials should I read |
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| 02:58.22 | themill | prefixed: update from what to what? |
| 02:59.00 | prefixed | well, I want to make sure I have the latest build of wheezy |
| 02:59.53 | prefixed | like, should I run apt-get dist-update? |
| 03:00.11 | themill | prefixed: assuming you only have "wheezy" in your sources.list, "aptitude update; aptitude upgrade" should be sufficient. (Of course wheezy isn't quite ready for production use just yet) |
| 03:00.32 | prefixed | believe it or not, I've been using wheezy on a production server for over a year now |
| 03:01.47 | themill | I'm happy to believe you ... it's just not a great situation to be in for a server as you have a moving target that you're trying to track and you don't have timely security support. |
| 03:02.17 | prefixed | yeah |
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| 03:02.49 | prefixed | probably not the greatest of ideas, but I ended up moving to wheezy by accident |
| 03:03.04 | prefixed | thankfully, this machine isn't mission critical |
| 03:04.04 | prefixed | 186mb of updates |
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| 03:07.03 | cafuego | prefixed: I think that's fine by now actually. I've been baking new wheezy boxes only recetly. |
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| 03:08.27 | prefixed | well, it just went RC, right? |
| 03:08.32 | prefixed | like a month ago |
| 03:09.15 | cafuego | Did it? |
| 03:09.31 | prefixed | looks like it |
| 03:09.33 | prefixed | err |
| 03:09.40 | prefixed | I have to do a kernel upfgrade |
| 03:10.01 | cafuego | Oh mine are all Xen domUs that don't get to have their own kernel. |
| 03:10.09 | Nach0z | upfgrade: the red-headed stepbrother of upgrades |
| 03:10.21 | prefixed | :P |
| 03:10.27 | prefixed | I have never upgraded a kernel before |
| 03:10.32 | cafuego | Y U THINK U NEED KERNEL, RAILS DEV BOY |
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| 03:11.01 | phantomcircuit | lol so the expert installer has a choice between normal and live |
| 03:11.17 | phantomcircuit | im going to try the live version and hope it's actually normal |
| 03:11.46 | prefixed | 2.6.26-1-686-bigmem |
| 03:11.51 | prefixed | is my current kernel |
| 03:12.11 | cafuego | You run a 32bit box? How quaint ;-) |
| 03:12.20 | Nach0z | d'awww |
| 03:12.21 | Nach0z | :D |
| 03:12.22 | prefixed | yes, it's real old |
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| 03:12.37 | cafuego | So if mine, but I mean 32bit. Even my phone is 64! |
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| 03:13.01 | prefixed | ok |
| 03:13.10 | prefixed | so how bad is a kernel upgrade? |
| 03:13.39 | cafuego | prefixed: You install the new kernel, grub adds it to the list, you reboot and the box runs the new kernel. |
| 03:13.46 | themill | is surprised that wheezy's udev even handles that kernel |
| 03:14.12 | prefixed | themill: Proceed with the udev upgrade despite the kernel incompatibility? |
| 03:14.18 | prefixed | funny you mention that |
| 03:14.32 | prefixed | should I continue and then immediately reboot? |
| 03:14.43 | prefixed | or should I upgrade the kernel first? |
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| 03:15.25 | themill | you can upgrade udev now and also upgrade the kernel (install linux-image-686-pae) and then reboot. That should be ok. |
| 03:15.34 | prefixed | kk |
| 03:15.37 | prefixed | here goes |
| 03:15.52 | themill | aborting the upgrade is better as far as the udev maintainer claims... but it leaves apt in a deeply deeply unhappy state |
| 03:16.17 | prefixed | woogf |
| 03:16.21 | prefixed | just got some errors |
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| 03:17.31 | prefixed | http://pastebin.com/NuMs44gY |
| 03:18.06 | themill | ugh.. so you have a mixture of lenny and squeeze and wheezy there. Fun. |
| 03:18.21 | themill | what's in /var/lib/insserv/run-20130320T2315.log |
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| 03:19.40 | prefixed | themill http://pastebin.com/mS5Bgagg |
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| 03:21.54 | prefixed | themill ^ |
| 03:22.27 | themill | I take it that's your own tomcat init script not one from a package |
| 03:22.42 | prefixed | yes |
| 03:23.28 | prefixed | what is all of this other stuff though? |
| 03:23.32 | themill | So you need to add the appropriate headers to it, as the maintainer script suggested. |
| 03:24.22 | prefixed | well shucks. I have no idea how to do that |
| 03:24.53 | themill | fortunately, there were links in the error message |
| 03:25.25 | prefixed | interesting |
| 03:25.26 | prefixed | ok |
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| 03:28.39 | prefixed | so where would this tomcat script be? |
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| 03:29.50 | prefixed | in /etc/init.d! |
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| 03:40.14 | sadtaco | Apparently I need FTP on my server for some features of wordpress like installing themes. Any recommendations? proftpd gives a config syntax error on starting and google gives me no help with it, so I figure I should try another |
| 03:40.29 | prefixed | themill ok, now that I've fixed it, what should I do? |
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| 03:41.20 | LtL | sadtaco: you can do that with scp and ssh. ftp not needed |
| 03:41.45 | sadtaco | Can I? It only seems to allow FTP or FTPS. |
| 03:42.04 | LtL | sadtaco: thats odd, are you sure |
| 03:42.18 | sadtaco | Oh wait. Hang on |
| 03:42.45 | sadtaco | hm yeah seems like it. |
| 03:42.59 | sadtaco | er wait again |
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| 03:44.04 | LtL | sadtaco: if it's your server, install ssh |
| 03:44.06 | sadtaco | yeah .. seems like it. I did chmod 777 -R wordpress/wp-content and it still wants FTP login |
| 03:44.09 | sadtaco | I have ssh on it |
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| 03:44.54 | themill | prefixed: what does "aptitude full-upgrade" want to do at this stage? |
| 03:45.31 | sadtaco | http://stackoverflow.com/questions/640409/can-i-install-update-wordpress-plugins-without-providing-ftp-access I don't see an ssh option. It only gives me the option of FTP or FTPS |
| 03:45.38 | LtL | sadtaco: chmod 777 is not wise, if you can chmod you must be in a ssh session, so scp is available |
| 03:45.57 | LtL | i would think |
| 03:46.11 | sadtaco | Yes scp is available but the software only gives me an ftp or sftp option |
| 03:46.49 | LtL | sadtaco: what software |
| 03:47.25 | rww | sadtaco: I think the point is that you can just unzip it yourself using scp. Which is probably a far less obnoxious process than setting up an FTP server and securing it properly. |
| 03:47.31 | rww | Doesn't answer your actual question, but there you go. |
| 03:47.32 | sadtaco | I got it by doing what that page said about the WP config. It's automatic check thing was failing. |
| 03:47.35 | rww | s/scp/ssh/ |
| 03:47.40 | sadtaco | rww, possibly but I didn't see a guide for that either. |
| 03:48.04 | rww | erm, grab tarball, untar in plugins directory, double-check ownership and permissions |
| 03:48.34 | sadtaco | Ah, the themes directory.. yeah |
| 03:48.42 | sadtaco | I don't get why it doesn't just say to install that way |
| 03:48.44 | rww | right, yes, sorry |
| 03:49.02 | LtL | sadtaco: scp the files to a safe dir, ssh in, move unzip and put the files in the correct place and login wp-admin to enable the theme or watever |
| 03:49.19 | rww | I dunno either. I also wonder why it'll happily install plugins but not themes by itself. |
| 03:49.37 | sadtaco | I see that now. I don't get why it doesn't just say to do that on the internets. |
| 03:49.54 | sadtaco | A lot more straight forward than screwing with permissions and config to get it to work from their panel |
| 03:50.21 | prefixed | themill aptitude full-upgrade |
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| 03:50.44 | prefixed | themill I use apt-get |
| 03:50.50 | prefixed | is there a difference? |
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| 03:51.18 | rww | on a tangentially-related note, is there anything in the Debian repository other than ikiwiki I should be looking at for static site generation? |
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| 03:53.59 | prefixed | themill could I just run apt-get -f install? |
| 03:57.03 | prefixed | yes |
| 03:57.10 | prefixed | now I get this: http://pastebin.com/WVn3uBXW |
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| 03:58.55 | prefixed | what the hell is libdevmapper? |
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| 03:59.57 | prefixed | oh |
| 04:00.43 | prefixed | ok, so how do I get around all of these LSB errors for core components like libdevmapper? |
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| 04:05.54 | prefixed | ok, cleared up that error. now I'm seeing this one http://pastebin.com/B8W8sndH |
| 04:07.27 | prefixed | what is rmnologin |
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| 04:07.56 | prefixed | and more importantly, do I need it? |
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| 04:11.44 | prefixed | same with stop-bootlogd? |
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| 04:14.15 | prefixed | hm. it looks like I don't use those services |
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| 04:14.31 | prefixed | should I go ahead and upgrade the kernel before i upgrade the dist? |
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| 04:16.05 | amit` | I have a weird thing with my wlan card. The WLAN card would connect to all wlan routers except one particular router, X. What could be the reason? There are other computers which are connectiong to this WLAN router X. What could be the reason? |
| 04:17.02 | amit` | connecting* |
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| 04:20.27 | amit` | I can provide driver version , this is on debian squeeze 6.0.7 with gnome 2. |
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| 04:25.12 | Cyclohexane | I got a .tar.gz that when extract has debian/ how do I install it? |
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| 04:27.06 | prefixed | how would I go about force reinstalling a package? |
| 04:29.44 | Nach0z | prefixed: if you have a .deb file, you could mess with dpkg, if you have apt-get, apt-get --purge (pkgname) && apt-get install (pkgname) |
| 04:29.47 | Nach0z | or something |
| 04:29.55 | prefixed | Nach0z not working |
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| 04:30.56 | prefixed | dpkg: error processing courier-authdaemon (--purge): |
| 04:30.56 | prefixed | Package is in a very bad inconsistent state - you should |
| 04:30.57 | dpkg | prefixed: That isn't an error, post the whole output to a pastebin (/msg dpkg pastebin). |
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| 04:32.11 | prefixed | http://pastebin.com/Xz17bRHV |
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| 04:34.02 | Nach0z | prefixed: tried doing apt-get install courier-authdaemon ? |
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| 04:34.48 | prefixed | Nach0z http://pastebin.com/G8aDPUYX |
| 04:35.48 | Nach0z | prefixed: try apt-get install --reinstall courier-authdaemon |
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| 04:36.10 | prefixed | Nach0z same error |
| 04:36.20 | Nach0z | :F |
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| 04:36.41 | prefixed | what the hell is going on here? |
| 04:36.44 | Nach0z | yur system r f*cked. can you get your hands on the actual debfile? |
| 04:36.52 | Nach0z | if you can, you can use dpkg -i --force |
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| 04:38.01 | prefixed | force what? |
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| 04:38.19 | Nach0z | --force-install |
| 04:38.20 | Nach0z | sorry |
| 04:39.05 | prefixed | dpkg: error: unknown force/refuse option `install' |
| 04:39.06 | dpkg | parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about, prefixed |
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| 04:39.59 | prefixed | it looks like I may have to manually remove this one |
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| 04:40.10 | Nach0z | sec |
| 04:40.30 | Nach0z | try --force-all |
| 04:40.36 | Nach0z | instead of force-install |
| 04:40.39 | prefixed | what is the full command? |
| 04:40.57 | prefixed | dpkg -i --force-all courier-authdaemon? |
| 04:40.58 | dpkg | package --force-all courier-authdaemon is already installed |
| 04:41.11 | Nach0z | yeah, you need the debfile though |
| 04:41.16 | Nach0z | it's not like apt-get with online repos |
| 04:41.20 | prefixed | ok |
| 04:41.27 | prefixed | where are debfiles usually stored? |
| 04:41.40 | Nach0z | whooo. uh. sec. |
| 04:41.55 | prefixed | /var/cache/apt/archives/courier-authdaemon_0.61.0-1+lenny1_i386.deb |
| 04:42.01 | prefixed | would that do? |
| 04:42.05 | rww | prefixed: does running "/etc/init.d/courier-authdaemon start" as root before uninstalling help? |
| 04:42.05 | themill | ugh... upgrading from lenny packages directly to wheezy is going to be a very bumpy ride :( |
| 04:42.05 | Nach0z | yeah |
| 04:42.24 | Nach0z | yeah, that'd work. or should I think. |
| 04:42.31 | prefixed | themill I wish I'd known that before I started! |
| 04:42.43 | rww | because trying other options before doing APT things involving "force" is usually good :P |
| 04:42.55 | rww | (or dpkg things) |
| 04:43.03 | Nach0z | wait, did that fix it prefixed? |
| 04:43.09 | prefixed | sec |
| 04:43.10 | Nach0z | rww: force is fun! |
| 04:43.24 | Nach0z | also, porque no rwx? |
| 04:43.55 | prefixed | Nach0z no. same error as before |
| 04:44.26 | Nach0z | which one? |
| 04:44.38 | Nach0z | and did you do it with --force-all? |
| 04:45.01 | Nach0z | then again I might not be the best person to help you with this, my usual method of fixing things is "hit it with a bigger hammer" |
| 04:45.15 | prefixed | http://pastebin.com/vGr3ATAZ |
| 04:45.45 | prefixed | Nach0z / themill how would I go about manually removing this thing? |
| 04:46.08 | themill | prefixed: is /var/run a symlink to /run yet? does either directory include that courier/authdaemon/pid.lock? |
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| 04:47.23 | prefixed | run -> /run |
| 04:47.31 | prefixed | and... |
| 04:48.11 | prefixed | themill neither contains courier |
| 04:50.19 | prefixed | hm |
| 04:50.28 | prefixed | lets try this http://www.bcat.eu/blog/remove-broken-package-ubuntu-debian/ |
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| 04:55.29 | themill | prefixed: putting an "exit 0" after the comment block at the top of that init script would be an easy way of pushing past this problem. You'll want to remove it later on, of course. |
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| 04:57.14 | prefixed | ok |
| 04:57.18 | prefixed | I removed it manually |
| 04:57.22 | prefixed | and then reinstalled |
| 04:57.33 | prefixed | now I remember why I hate sysadmin work! |
| 04:58.18 | ksuhku | https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2013/03/defend-open-web-keep-drm-out-w3c-standards |
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| 05:00.32 | prefixed | holy whoa |
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| 05:02.34 | prefixed | how do I get rid of this? the environment is no longer on a zen environment /boot/initrd.img-2.6.26-2-xen-686 does not exist. Cannot update. |
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| 05:11.07 | prefixed | ok |
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| 05:11.12 | prefixed | I have to update the kernel now |
| 05:11.26 | prefixed | themill any sage advice? |
| 05:11.33 | prefixed | or anyone else for that matter? |
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| 05:15.54 | prefixed | also |
| 05:16.01 | prefixed | do I really want to move to kernel 3.2? |
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| 05:18.58 | alanjf | Did he mention how the hell so much hair got in the waffle iron? |
| 05:19.04 | alanjf | Ug, wrong window, sorry. |
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| 05:22.59 | prefixed | err |
| 05:23.03 | prefixed | what does this mean |
| 05:23.04 | prefixed | Running update-grub. |
| 05:23.04 | prefixed | Searching for GRUB installation directory ... |
| 05:23.04 | prefixed | No GRUB directory found. |
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| 05:26.52 | somasonic | prefixed it can't find your grub install |
| 05:27.03 | prefixed | hm |
| 05:27.05 | prefixed | ok |
| 05:27.10 | prefixed | how can I find my grub install? |
| 05:27.45 | prefixed | somasonic ^ |
| 05:27.57 | somasonic | prefixed not sure |
| 05:27.58 | prefixed | I have grub on this machine |
| 05:28.22 | somasonic | the error message means the script can't find your grub install to update the conf. i don't know where your grub install is |
| 05:29.16 | prefixed | hm |
| 05:29.26 | prefixed | it would be in /boot/, right? |
| 05:30.00 | somasonic | most likely |
| 05:30.02 | prefixed | which might be this /boot/initrd.img-2.6.26-2-xen-686 does not exist. Cannot update. |
| 05:30.27 | prefixed | so maybe I need to create a new boot image |
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| 05:41.45 | prefixed | oh boy |
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| 05:41.54 | prefixed | how in the hell do I create a new boot image with grub |
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| 05:56.31 | HardDisk_WP | can I from linux reboot running Windows machines? |
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| 05:56.55 | HardDisk_WP | from linux to linux is easy using ssh, from windows to linux too, only for linux to windows I need sth |
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| 06:07.41 | prefixed | ok |
| 06:07.44 | prefixed | here we go! |
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| 06:10.53 | internat | HardDisk_WP: you can with smbclient |
| 06:11.07 | internat | atleast ithink thats what i used to use |
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| 06:14.30 | prefixed | hm |
| 06:14.46 | prefixed | the new kernel installed, but it's not showing up in grub |
| 06:14.50 | prefixed | what the hell? |
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| 06:21.26 | HardDisk_WP | internat, yep, managed to do it :) |
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| 06:25.02 | kameron | dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg does not work, is it deprecated? is there a new method? |
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| 06:26.36 | boudiccas | I've just had my main h/d fill up when d/l from newsgriups, and the 'pan' had to go offline and suddenly uncleanly stop, which has left me with 8.00k on the h/d instead of the expected100mbs. I presume these are broken symlinks, and if si how can reclain them without logging out and back on again please? |
| 06:26.57 | boudiccas | newsgroups |
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| 06:35.54 | prefixed | oh god |
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| 06:36.05 | prefixed | I upgraded grub an now my machine isn't booting |
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| 06:37.37 | kingsley | prefixed: What happens instead of booting? Do you see an error message? |
| 06:37.45 | prefixed | nothing happens |
| 06:38.10 | kingsley | Not even a "beep"? |
| 06:38.31 | prefixed | it's a remote machine |
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| 06:39.36 | prefixed | I am logged in via console, but nothing is coming up |
| 06:40.25 | kingsley | I find myself wondering what you're logged into if the machine isn't booting. |
| 06:40.32 | prefixed | a console |
| 06:43.49 | kingsley | Maybe the word "console" is ambiguous. For what it's worth, when I think of seeing a console at boot time, I'm not logged in, and am just looking at boot messages scrolling past virtual terminal 1 (VT1). I suppose you might have logged into something else that's also called a "console". |
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| 06:44.46 | kingsley | I seem to recall having also seen people refer to a shell prompt as a "console", but that requires one to be logged in too. |
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| 06:45.30 | kingsley | prefixed: Who administers your remote machine? A web hosting company? |
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| 06:45.37 | vikram | hi, i am running elasticsearch on a debian 6 machine, dual core processor, 2GB RAM, the load figures are sky high (15+) where as the CPU is 90%+ idle |
| 06:45.38 | prefixed | yes |
| 06:45.42 | prefixed | kingsley ^ |
| 06:46.29 | vikram | i am trying to figure out what could be killing this mahine |
| 06:46.39 | vikram | what should i be looking for? |
| 06:46.49 | peterrooney | vikram: i/o wait states |
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| 06:46.58 | kingsley | Does the hosting company use something like CPanel or Parallels to give you access to your remote machine/ |
| 06:47.20 | kingsley | s/\//?/ |
| 06:47.31 | vikram | peterrooney: thanks, would you please tell me the command to check i/o wait states? |
| 06:47.39 | prefixed | kingsley I have SSH and console over TCP only |
| 06:47.43 | prefixed | I am going to email support now |
| 06:47.44 | prefixed | bummer |
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| 06:48.55 | vikram | 80%+ wa on top |
| 06:48.59 | kingsley | prefixed: I like your plan to ask their support. |
| 06:49.04 | prefixed | yeah |
| 06:49.09 | prefixed | this one is out of my hands now |
| 06:49.29 | peterrooney | vikram: iotop ; htop |
| 06:49.45 | vikram | 80-100%, yes i tried top |
| 06:50.16 | vikram | why does this happen? |
| 06:50.22 | peterrooney | and you can configure top to show what's waiting on what (WCHAN, if I recall correctly) |
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| 06:50.53 | vikram | bad HDD? |
| 06:51.01 | vikram | this one has XFS |
| 06:51.06 | boudiccas | vikram: please READ what peterrooney said when he gave you the program names |
| 06:52.05 | peterrooney | vikram: Ah, crap - wchan needs special kernel map. |
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| 06:53.02 | peterrooney | just knew there'd be a fly in the ointment |
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| 06:56.25 | vikram | boudiccas: ok |
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| 06:57.55 | vikram | peterrooney: i tried installing iotop (it isn't installed by default) and now the machine is stuck while unpacking the deb! |
| 06:58.05 | vikram | how should such issues be handled? |
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| 07:03.59 | peterrooney | vikram: this is a giant clue. there's probably some serious disk thrashing going on. |
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| 07:06.16 | peterrooney | vikram: what's the machine do under normal circumstances? |
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| 07:07.29 | peterrooney | LAMP, cluster compute node, dns, email? |
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| 07:17.17 | tralala | vikram, what is dmesg saying? |
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| 07:20.56 | vikram | the machine froze up, i am rebooting it |
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| 07:26.26 | suffixed | expensive mistake |
| 07:26.32 | suffixed | $150 to fix it |
| 07:27.46 | jalalsfs | suffixed, What is it? |
| 07:27.59 | suffixed | I screwed up grub on a remote machine |
| 07:28.23 | ChrisH | suffixed: No ilom access to fix it? |
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| 07:28.55 | suffixed | nope |
| 07:29.10 | suffixed | actually |
| 07:29.11 | suffixed | yes |
| 07:29.33 | suffixed | or nope |
| 07:29.35 | suffixed | I have no idea |
| 07:29.46 | suffixed | I have console, but it didn't show anything at all when I attempted to boot |
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| 07:39.43 | vikram | thanks for helpig out guys, the machine is acting normal post reboot... i'll keep watch on it just in case it acts up again |
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| 07:42.05 | homes | anyone use a watchdog setup incase servers freeze? |
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| 08:03.02 | dizzylizzy | I'm wiping my hard drive tomorrow |
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| 08:03.49 | homes | nervous about? |
| 08:04.57 | suffixed | hm |
| 08:05.13 | suffixed | so I updated my server to the 3.2 kernel and now mysql won't start |
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| 08:06.04 | homes | backport kernel? |
| 08:06.49 | suffixed | weird |
| 08:06.55 | suffixed | it uninstalled mysql |
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| 08:08.57 | somasonic | hi friend |
| 08:09.10 | homes | were you not paying attention to the apt-get/aptitude output :\ |
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| 08:12.47 | DingDong_ | hi |
| 08:13.00 | DingDong_ | i use bonding on two squeeze maschine mod active-alb |
| 08:13.10 | DingDong_ | after reboot the bond0 isnt loaded |
| 08:13.19 | DingDong_ | if i do ifup bond0 its all workging find |
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| 08:13.42 | DingDong_ | i also tested it with the addition /etc/modprobe.d/bonding.conf with alias bond0 bonding etc in it |
| 08:13.44 | DingDong_ | still no luck |
| 08:13.52 | DingDong_ | any idea? |
| 08:14.00 | DingDong_ | both maschines got the same issue |
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| 08:16.14 | suffixed | hey |
| 08:16.17 | suffixed | I need to downgrade php |
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| 08:17.04 | DingDong_ | here is the config for the bonding |
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| 08:19.05 | DingDong_ | https://gist.github.com/marvin/7c18ed86ab10bfa1a3b1 |
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| 08:21.14 | pyrobisqit | I'm trying to install ufw, but apt-get says it doesn't exist, why? |
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| 08:22.33 | rww | pyrobisqit: have you done apt-get update recently? |
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| 08:23.10 | pyrobisqit | rww: yeah... nevermind, I'm an idiot, I only had squeeze/updates and not a real source... thanks :) |
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| 08:23.22 | rww | that was my next question. no problem :) |
| 08:23.28 | suffixed | how can I downgrade from php5.4 to 5.3? |
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| 08:25.13 | dizzylizzy | homes, nervous about forgetting to back something up and losing it forever, of course |
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| 08:25.24 | dizzylizzy | i've been pretty thorough though |
| 08:25.25 | dizzylizzy | I should be ok |
| 08:26.02 | usr_share | anyone knows why a live image booted from a usb drive via yumi gives "no suitable d-i initrd image found" on trying to install? |
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| 08:29.50 | suffixed | ok |
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| 08:30.11 | suffixed | it looks like squeeze offers oho 5.3 and php 5.4/. how can I specify a specific version to download? |
| 08:31.12 | usr_share | apt-get install -t <version> <package> |
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| 08:31.32 | usr_share | or by pressing enter and selecting a version in aptitude's package info |
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| 08:32.00 | usr_share | where <version> is a repo from which you're installing (squeeze, wheezy, sid, experimental...) |
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| 08:37.11 | suffixed | so annoying |
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| 08:44.58 | suffixed | ok |
| 08:45.01 | suffixed | well that's good |
| 08:45.05 | suffixed | now to fix this apache issue |
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| 09:00.01 | CrunchyChewie | its late and Im stupid, whats the correct way to fix the xft font width bug in urxvt |
| 09:00.43 | prefix | that was insane |
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| 09:28.16 | MO_Handes | any good application for automatically changing wallpapers in specified periods? |
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| 09:31.05 | Rix | The following packages have unmet dependencies: |
| 09:31.06 | Rix | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:31.22 | Rix | im trying to install ia32-libs and got this error |
| 09:31.33 | Rix | im using amd_64 debian wheezy 7.0rc-1 |
| 09:31.54 | homes | post your sources.list |
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| 09:33.44 | Rix | http://pastebin.com/H7SsAeyr |
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| 09:34.10 | Rix | im using bg (Bulgarian) because the server resides in Bulgaria |
| 09:34.40 | Rix | system is up to date just made update and dist-upgrade |
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| 09:35.20 | rww | wheezy does multiarch. ia32-libs-i386 needs it enabled to be installable. |
| 09:35.40 | Rix | how can i enable it |
| 09:36.48 | Iridos | err, wait, what |
| 09:37.06 | rww | Rix: Read http://wiki.debian.org/Multiarch/HOWTO . You probably want dpkg --add-architecture i386, followed by apt-get update or whatever, then try installing again |
| 09:37.07 | Rix | E: Package 'ia32-libs-i386' has no installation candidate |
| 09:37.13 | Rix | oh thanks :) |
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| 09:37.52 | Rix | do i need to remove the architecture for dpkg after im done, rww? |
| 09:38.22 | rww | "done" meaning when you have ia32-libs installed, or when you get bored of whatever you're doing and remove all your 32-bit stuff? |
| 09:38.35 | Rix | when ia32-libs are installed |
| 09:38.41 | Rix | i dont need to install anything else |
| 09:38.41 | rww | no, leave it enabled |
| 09:38.45 | Rix | okey thanks |
| 09:38.51 | rww | (it won't let you remove it while there's i386 stuff installed anyway) |
| 09:38.51 | Rix | oh it works |
| 09:38.52 | Rix | great |
| 09:39.00 | Rix | thanks a lot you save my day :) |
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| 09:39.05 | rww | you're welcome |
| 09:39.19 | Iridos | 'ia32-libs-i386' is just a virtual package anyway, which is for going from squeeze->wheezy |
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| 09:39.48 | rww | Arguably I should be telling people to just install the specific i386 packages they need. In practice, I find people don't have the patience. |
| 09:40.24 | takis_GR | good morning. Who v=can tell me which are the differences between firefox and iceweasel? |
| 09:41.09 | rww | dpkg: tell takis_GR -about why iceweasel |
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| 09:41.39 | Iridos | rww, ah, fair enough |
| 09:41.42 | Rix | thanks a lot again :) very kind of you that you helped |
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| 09:42.20 | Iridos | rww, although I would think just enabling i386 would be enough and any i386-packages would pull in whatever libraries they need |
| 09:42.35 | Iridos | instead of installing one gazillion i386 libs |
| 09:42.46 | takis_GR | except trade market? is good idea to install original firefox? |
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| 09:43.42 | Iridos | ... |
| 09:43.42 | rww | Iridos: One would hope. The only time I tend to stumble across this sort of thing personally is with unpackaged software though. |
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| 09:44.14 | Iridos | there's that |
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| 09:52.33 | n8w | hey |
| 09:53.04 | n8w | what backend for nagios service configuretion would u recommend me? |
| 09:53.07 | n8w | nconf? |
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| 09:56.12 | niluje | hey, I need to create a debian package. I created the debian/watch file and it tells me if there's a more up to date upstream version or not. In the case I'm in a directory containing only the debian/ directory, what is the way to retrieve the .orig.tar.gz file using what is in the debian/watch file? |
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| 09:57.03 | niluje | actually I'm not sure I really understand what is the use of the watch file |
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| 09:58.55 | blue_sky | Hi, I'm transitioning between ISPs, currently have two on the go. Have changed my default route to the new one, but now SMTP connections on the old route are timing out. I don't think it's listening on the old IP for incoming SMTP. |
| 09:59.21 | pieter_ | Hi all, since a few days I cannot install wheezy using the latest install CD... the install stops after trying to install busybox on the target system (as a part of the kernel installation) because the "package could not be authenticated" (debian-archive-keyring is installed on the target system already) |
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| 10:00.36 | needle | blue_sky: if they time out possibly the TCP sessions can not be established, the IP packets come in from WAN link 1 and the responces are send to WAN link 2 |
| 10:00.46 | needle | tcp sessions out of state? |
| 10:01.05 | blue_sky | needle, I don't know what that means, but it is possible. |
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| 10:01.27 | needle | blue_sky: configure it as it was before, and check if you have the same problem |
| 10:01.34 | needle | if not that will be |
| 10:01.57 | blue_sky | needle, no well, I made the change about half an hour ago, it all worked OK until that point. |
| 10:02.31 | rabbieth | blue_sky: it means you will have to configure debian so he would send responses via the same interfaces he received a request |
| 10:02.48 | needle | thanks rabbieth. |
| 10:03.00 | needle | that is what i exactly meant. |
| 10:03.26 | blue_sky | needle, rabbieth, how do I do that? If you can point me at the docs that would be great |
| 10:03.41 | rabbieth | needle: yw :) |
| 10:03.56 | needle | blue_sky: you need to make a tracerouter form source to destination. then the same traceroute from destination to source |
| 10:04.07 | rabbieth | blue_sky: google on "debian ip route multiuplink" |
| 10:04.17 | caf | it's also possible your debian machine is dropping the incoming requests because they are coming in a different interface from the one that the replies would be routed out |
| 10:04.23 | needle | blue_sky: then to verfiy if the IP packets leave out of the interface (rotuer) you are expecting them to leave |
| 10:04.26 | caf | there's a kernel setting for that |
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| 10:05.18 | caf | /proc/sys/net/ipv4/conf/*/rp_filter |
| 10:05.23 | blue_sky | rabbieth, am checking out the search results. |
| 10:05.36 | rabbieth | i had the same problem with two ipv6 uplinks on freebsd, found how to solve it but i have to reboot server for this ;( so don't wanna do it ;( |
| 10:05.44 | miten | I have questions related to squid and vbox. |
| 10:05.49 | miten | hi guys I have vbox with win 7 host and debian guest. The corporate firewall blocks my access by login id. So using NAT in vbox is no good. For browswer access from guest I thought to install squid on host and use it as proxy from guest. The host proxy then uses corporate proxy as parent. But now in debian guest I get mox-proxy auth popup and if I use my win 7 credentials it continues to popup. Basically what credentials do I nee |
| 10:06.24 | blue_sky | caf: using a remote host to test I'm just getting a time out, I've not seen anything in my logs this end |
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| 10:07.40 | rabbieth | miten: check cache_peer setting in squid.conf, it can authorize to an upstream proxy with credentials you will set |
| 10:07.53 | rabbieth | and imho nat should still work fine here |
| 10:07.57 | caf | failed reverse path validation might well not be logged |
| 10:08.39 | caf | anyway just do cat /proc/sys/net/ipv4/conf/*/rp_filter and if it's all zeroes then it's not that |
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| 10:09.54 | napnap | Hi all. I try to launch a script with crontab (The script launch mplayer using screen), but it doesn't work...the error is : "must be connected to a terminal"...However the script works fine if it's launched by ssh command line. |
| 10:10.16 | rabbieth | blue_sky: also, tcpdump/wireshark is always helpful ;) if you don't much about networking it's easier to learn it that way :) |
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| 10:12.00 | blue_sky | rabbieth, thanks, I'm still working through the google results. |
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| 10:12.57 | rabbieth | blue_sky: yw :) i wish i could be more helpful but i don't remember details about such configuration and would had to google anyway :P |
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| 10:13.52 | blue_sky | rabbieth, no problem. What I am seeing is lots of mention of the device having multiple network ports, my Debian box has only one ethernet, I think it's the routing I need to look at. |
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| 10:15.23 | rabbieth | hmmm... then how is the second uplink connected? |
| 10:15.47 | blue_sky | rabbieth, I have two routers, each connected to a different ISP |
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| 10:16.39 | blue_sky | I've changed the default route to the new ISP, but the other router still sends port 25 traffic to my Debian box |
| 10:16.55 | blue_sky | I'm guessing replies are going to the new ISP |
| 10:17.31 | rabbieth | ah |
| 10:19.16 | rabbieth | probably it sends replies via it's default router, which is new isp. so writing a rule on debian to route traffic via different router if it has the old source ip should work |
| 10:19.31 | rabbieth | it can be done with ip route :) it's a powerful utility |
| 10:19.50 | blue_sky | I'll have another look at the man page, thanks |
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| 10:21.59 | caf | are either or both routers NATing? |
| 10:22.13 | blue_sky | car, very likely! |
| 10:22.33 | blue_sky | s/car/caf/ (sorry) |
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| 10:25.59 | caf | then in order to solve it as rabbieth recommends you'll also need to assign two local addresses to the server |
| 10:26.28 | caf | and have one router NAT port 25 to one of those addresses, and the other to the other |
| 10:26.35 | blue_sky | car, I'm just running wireshark and forcing a remote host to do some SMTP to confirm what's going on. |
| 10:26.57 | blue_sky | s/car/caf/ (sorry done it again) |
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| 10:32.35 | napnap | oh, ok this problem can be solved by usin some screen option (-dmS) to ignore terminal attachment... |
| 10:35.24 | rabbieth | looks at napnap and wants to take a nap |
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| 10:39.35 | blue_sky | caf, rabbieth, needle, I've reverted the box to the old ISP until I can migrate the SMTP, then I'll do a straight changeover, the SMTP protocol should cause mail to be held while DNS gets propagated. |
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| 10:41.22 | blue_sky | Thanks for your help guys, I'm out of my depth so reversion seems the best solution at this time. |
| 10:41.32 | rabbieth | yw :) |
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| 10:41.39 | rabbieth | glad i could help |
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| 10:43.57 | ddssc | admin has enabled me to use different stuff like sudo -u something, the thing is, I need a list of 'somethings' |
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| 10:45.30 | rabbieth | grep -v '^#' /etc/sudoers :P |
| 10:45.31 | babilen | ddssc: Take a look at sudoers(5) (with visudo(1)) if you can or talk to whoever gave you access. |
| 10:46.40 | babilen | Although I would be surprised if you are allowed to edit that if you have not been given complete access anyway. |
| 10:47.01 | ChrisH | I tried to find a how.to to setup an HFC passive ISDN Card (cologne chip) on Debian. No success. Any tips, links, better search phrases for me? |
| 10:47.59 | babilen | wow, blast from the past :) |
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| 10:50.43 | ddssc | babilen, cheers. I might be able to view it tho, which is what I need since I've no idea what rights I got |
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| 10:51.45 | rabbieth | ddssc: just try grepping it :) |
| 10:54.32 | ChrisH | babilen: VOIP does not have that sound then ISDN has.. most times. |
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| 10:58.25 | _martin | hi, i got when using checkinstall http://pastebin.com/kngBweS7 this error, should i simply remove infodir.bak? :D |
| 10:58.55 | babilen | dpkg: pastebin.com |
| 10:58.55 | dpkg | pastebin.com takes forever to load, makes us enter a CAPTCHA to see your paste and fills the screen with ads. Please use a different site, like http://paste.debian.net/ |
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| 11:00.32 | haxi | Hi there :) |
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| 11:02.47 | _martin | http://paste.debian.net/243346/ dpkg |
| 11:03.45 | babilen | _martin: What are you packaging? libgcrypt is in Debian ... |
| 11:03.53 | _martin | in sarge not |
| 11:04.04 | babilen | sarge! |
| 11:04.12 | babilen | Seriously? |
| 11:04.14 | haxi | I've a little issue, I'm running debian testing on nvidia. I have a dual-screen (configured TwinView) setup, configured with nvidia-settings. But when I reboot, kdm is "dual screened", but when I login successful and enter in my kde, I can use only one screen until I reconfigure the two screens in nvidia-settings. I don't know what to do to keep this dual screen setting when I reboot... I always save xorg.conf.. |
| 11:05.23 | _martin | yes babilen |
| 11:05.31 | _martin | ok i remove the file |
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| 11:06.04 | babilen | haxi: First and foremost: nvidia-settings is, well, unnecessary and might complicate things. Would you mind removing your xorg.conf (it was obsoleted in squeeze (see "/msg dpkg empty xorg.conf" and "/msg dpkg xorg.conf.d")) and then run: mkdir /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/ ; echo -e 'Section "Device"\n\tIdentifier "My GPU"\n\tDriver "nvidia"\nEndSection' > /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-nvidia.conf |
| 11:06.35 | babilen | haxi: That should be all the configuration you need. You can then use xrandr(1) (or arandr or whatever comes with KDE) to configure your screens. How did you install the driver? |
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| 11:07.12 | haxi | Mhh |
| 11:07.13 | babilen | haxi: I am not entirely sure if KDE remembers those settings though (it should) |
| 11:07.20 | haxi | I saw that xorg.conf was outdated |
| 11:07.27 | haxi | you right |
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| 11:07.40 | haxi | i use the driver from nvidia.sh on nvidia.com |
| 11:07.52 | haxi | "hand" installed |
| 11:08.01 | babilen | dpkg: tell _martin about sarge |
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| 11:08.35 | babilen | haxi: Ok, we neither recommend nor support that. You have to ask in #nvidia for support (and I really wouldn't use their installer as it will cause problems) |
| 11:08.42 | babilen | dpkg: tell haxi about nvidia dkms wheezy |
| 11:09.00 | haxi | I've been throught many problems with dkms |
| 11:09.15 | babilen | haxi: That is what we recommend and (in my opinion) also the easiest way to install that driver. If you /really/ need 313 you can grab it from experimental. |
| 11:09.23 | babilen | haxi: Such as? |
| 11:09.37 | haxi | can't remember :/ |
| 11:09.54 | haxi | or I did not found the way to display my dualscreen |
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| 11:10.19 | haxi | But you are right, I definitely should use the proper way |
| 11:10.35 | babilen | You typically use xrandr(1) or graphical frontends such as arandr, grandr, ... these days. |
| 11:11.03 | babilen | I am sure that KDE even comes with a "Configure the Displays" magic-wizard-configure-o-mat |
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| 11:11.13 | haxi | yeah you right |
| 11:11.35 | haxi | but kde-magic-thing does not detects my multi display lol |
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| 11:19.18 | hero100 | hi. wheezy can't shutdown, how can I fix it? |
| 11:19.39 | haxi | babilen, is the nvidia-kernel-dkms the free nvidia driver ? |
| 11:19.52 | haxi | because I need some performance.. |
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| 11:20.44 | ksk | hero100: -vvvV? |
| 11:21.11 | ksk | what are you doing (like sudo shutdown) and what happens? |
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| 11:21.35 | babilen | haxi: No, it is not. |
| 11:21.45 | hero100 | ksk: I click the poweroff icon |
| 11:22.10 | ksk | so its more like an desktop environment issue? try it on commandline |
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| 11:22.17 | babilen | haxi: It is the non-free driver from nvidia.com packaged in a sensible way. As I said: You can grab a newer version (313) from experimental if you require that. |
| 11:22.32 | hero100 | ksk: OK, I will try |
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| 11:27.17 | afsal | hi plz tell me which is best language c or cpp to develop softwares in debian |
| 11:28.04 | nevyn | which one do you know? |
| 11:28.45 | afsal | both a little more |
| 11:28.47 | Nik05 | afsal cpp is C preprocessor |
| 11:29.02 | Nik05 | do you mean C++? |
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| 11:29.17 | afsal | nik05 yeh c++ |
| 11:29.24 | caf | if you want to use the Qt toolkit then you'll need to use C++ |
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| 11:29.42 | caf | otherwise you can pretty much choose whatever is easiest for you |
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| 11:30.05 | Nik05 | ##c++ :) |
| 11:30.22 | afsal | caf thats best idea use qt with c++ |
| 11:30.22 | caf | all the system interfaces in Debian tend to be exposed as C so C is certainly doable |
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| 11:30.49 | afsal | any qt like ide for C? |
| 11:31.04 | rabbieth | why not learn both? :P i could make a cpp app which will load plugins written on c :P |
| 11:31.08 | rabbieth | oh god |
| 11:31.11 | rabbieth | use vim |
| 11:31.23 | nevyn | kdevelop |
| 11:31.34 | caf | kdevelop maybe? and people seem to love eclipse |
| 11:31.36 | afsal | oh sure both |
| 11:31.59 | nevyn | afsal: but what are you writing and why do you want to use either c or c++? |
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| 11:32.55 | nevyn | use lisp or one of the new lisps that start with p or r |
| 11:32.57 | afsal | i want to study device driver programming |
| 11:33.03 | nevyn | (perl python ruby) |
| 11:33.16 | Towzzer | most drivers are written in C |
| 11:33.58 | nevyn | if you want to write drivers for linux then C is the prefered option |
| 11:34.07 | afsal | ok, when i'm starting to learn dd programming where i start |
| 11:34.41 | nevyn | rusty's tutorial ? |
| 11:34.58 | Towzzer | afsal, the c prorgamming language book is excellent |
| 11:35.04 | Towzzer | it features exercises and is very concise |
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| 11:35.30 | afsal | which book |
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| 11:35.38 | Towzzer | http://www.amazon.com/C-Programming-Language-2nd-Edition/dp/0131103628 |
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| 11:36.07 | Towzzer | only 274 pages :D |
| 11:36.27 | afsal | is this good book for learn device driver programming/ |
| 11:36.42 | Towzzer | it's just a general overview of C |
| 11:36.50 | Towzzer | I don't know any book that focuses on drivers sir |
| 11:36.51 | Towzzer | sorry : ( |
| 11:37.00 | nevyn | sigh damn google |
| 11:37.29 | nevyn | ozlabs.org/~rusty/lca-kernel-tutorial-2005-full.ppt |
| 11:37.35 | nevyn | afsal: ^^ |
| 11:37.40 | babilen | afsal: Would you mind joining #debian-offtopic -- The choice of a good first programming language is not really a good topic in #debian as it is mostly indpendent of the distribution you are using. |
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| 11:39.33 | homes | .ppt :< |
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| 11:39.58 | nevyn | it's from 7 years ago. |
| 11:40.05 | nevyn | 8 |
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| 11:47.45 | D-Boy | I'm used to use cp -r to copy folder contents, this command ommit the dot files how can i tell it to copy everything (even the dot files) ? |
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| 11:47.58 | Towzzer | -a |
| 11:48.07 | Towzzer | and copy the folder |
| 11:48.13 | D-Boy | Towzzer : thx! |
| 11:48.18 | Towzzer | this is bad way to do it |
| 11:48.21 | Towzzer | cp -a /folder/* |
| 11:48.30 | Towzzer | the good way is cp -a /folder |
| 11:48.40 | D-Boy | okey |
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| 11:49.06 | Towzzer | there is a way to have * get .* with globs |
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| 11:49.39 | D-Boy | globs ? |
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| 11:50.13 | Towzzer | just cp -a /folder |
| 11:50.16 | Towzzer | Keep It Simple Stupid |
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| 11:50.25 | D-Boy | got it :) |
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| 11:51.55 | ksk | Towzzer: iirc there is, better ask #bash |
| 11:52.30 | ksk | http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/1168/how-to-glob-every-hidden-file-except-current-and-parent-directory |
| 11:52.34 | ksk | this one should help |
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| 11:53.00 | Towzzer | K.I.S.S :D |
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| 11:54.38 | gsc | stupid |
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| 11:55.15 | needle | I prefer K.I.C.S |
| 11:55.30 | Towzzer | Keep It Complicated Shithead |
| 11:55.30 | needle | keep it complicated(ly) sophisticated |
| 11:55.34 | needle | :D |
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| 11:56.13 | Towzzer | I think the guy who came up with K.I.S.S was murdered by the grub2 development team |
| 11:56.27 | Towzzer | then udev desecrated his corpse |
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| 11:59.52 | hero100 | Hi. wheezy cannot shutting down except by push the power button. but without ran some program it can poweroff normally. |
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| 12:00.15 | Towzzer | poweroff doesn't work? |
| 12:00.20 | hero100 | yes |
| 12:00.24 | Towzzer | what happens |
| 12:00.45 | hero100 | no matter on command line or the poweroff icon |
| 12:01.11 | babilen | hero100: What /exactly/ did you try and what happens? What did you expect to happen? |
| 12:01.13 | Footur | hero100: Did you test init 0? |
| 12:01.36 | babilen | hero100: http://mattgemmell.com/2008/12/08/what-have-you-tried/ ← please read that |
| 12:01.50 | hero100 | sudo shutdown "now" |
| 12:02.26 | babilen | hero100: Ok, try "sudo shutdown -h now" |
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| 12:03.28 | hero100 | sorry for my poor English I cannot express clearly |
| 12:03.37 | babilen | What is your native language? |
| 12:03.53 | hero100 | Chinese |
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| 12:04.15 | babilen | !cn |
| 12:04.15 | dpkg | 如果您想得到中文的帮助，请您移步本服务器上的#debian-zh频道，进入方式是在您现在输入文字的输入框中输入"/join #debian-zh" （不含引号），谢谢您的合作如果您想要得到中文的協助，請加入伺服器上的 #debian-zh (irc.oftc.net) 頻道，加入方法為在輸入框中輸入 "/server irc.oftc.net" 和 "/join #debian-zh" (不要加引號)，謝謝您的合作! |
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| 12:04.57 | babilen | hero100: You might want to ask in a Chinese speaking channel ^^ -- But so far you are doing fine. I can understand you. I am just not sure what the *actual* problem is. Is the computer shutting down when you run "shutdown -h now" ? |
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| 12:05.35 | hero100 | I found I can boot and shutdown immediately no problem. but after run some program the problem happened |
| 12:05.49 | babilen | And that factoid is messed up |
| 12:06.04 | babilen | Which problem? Which program did you run? |
| 12:06.33 | hero100 | a program run as root. I use it to connect to internet |
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| 12:07.49 | babilen | Which program exactly? What happens during shutdown after you ran that program? |
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| 12:09.02 | hero100 | desktop environment disappeared and it hangs in command line mode |
| 12:09.16 | wsky | so i've updated my sid lately which included nvidia drivers and xorg update. now when i run xorg i cannot access my text console - after switching to it with alt+ctr+1,2,etc system turns off the display |
| 12:09.35 | wsky | anyone else encountered something like that? |
| 12:09.38 | hero100 | and alt+ctrl+F1 didn't work |
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| 12:10.33 | babilen | hero100: So, which program is it? |
| 12:10.34 | pieter_ | Hi all, since a few days I cannot install wheezy using the latest install CD... the install stops after trying to install busybox on the target system (as a part of the kernel installation) because the "package could not be authenticated" (debian-archive-keyring is installed on the target system already) |
| 12:11.05 | babilen | pieter_: Is that with RC1? That bug/problem is known and should have been reported. |
| 12:11.27 | pieter_ | babilen, this is with the current mini.iso |
| 12:11.45 | hero100 | babilen, it's a h3c iNode authentication |
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| 12:12.01 | pieter_ | babilen, but I didn't had this problem before (it started Monday).. do you have a link to the bug? |
| 12:12.33 | babilen | pieter_: one moment please (but you can search http://bugs.debian.org yourself :) |
| 12:12.43 | hero100 | babilen, 802.1X authentication configuration program |
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| 12:13.07 | babilen | hero100: Does it come with an init script in /etc/init.d ? How did you install h3c iNode authentication? |
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| 12:13.33 | babilen | hero100: It sounds as if that particular program has a problem that prevents you from shutting down. Do you get any error message? |
| 12:14.51 | hero100 | something else not related to this program. |
| 12:15.25 | hero100 | the install.sh did something in /etc |
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| 12:17.50 | babilen | pieter_: hmm, it eludes me :) |
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| 12:19.16 | pieter_ | babilen, hmm.. ok.. do you know against which package the bug could be filed? |
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| 12:20.59 | babilen | pieter_: No, if I knew I would have found it. This issue simply came up recently and somebody mentioned the bug report. But still: Does this happen with RC1? |
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| 12:22.29 | lkeijser | hi, is it possible to start an SSH server during an unattended installation (preseed) ? |
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| 12:23.01 | pieter_ | babilen, I used the netboot images from the 20130211 subdir (the most recent, which is RC1 afaik) |
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| 12:24.53 | babilen | http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/dists/testing/main/installer-amd64/current/images/netboot/ ? |
| 12:25.26 | babilen | pieter_: But I have to run now ... You might want to bring it up in #debian-boot on irc.debian.org (aka irc.oftc.net) |
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| 12:26.02 | pieter_ | babilen, that one indeed |
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| 12:26.11 | pieter_ | babilen, thanks for now, I'll go there :) |
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| 12:58.54 | streamlinx | Has anyone got a AMD Radeon HD 7500M/7600M working correctly with Debian (Gnome)? |
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| 13:13.37 | glockX | hey guys, quick question, whats the best FS to use for a couple external HDDs in raid 1 mode ? |
| 13:13.56 | glockX | via USB3 |
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| 13:16.35 | ChrisH | glockX: the same FS as you would use for internal disks. depends on what you want. I only use ext3/ext4 on all disks |
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| 13:17.32 | Towzzer | ext4 for general, xfs for large files |
| 13:17.43 | Towzzer | that's what it says on my wall |
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| 13:18.58 | glockX | thanx guys! |
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| 13:35.50 | streamlinx | hi guys! i want to install debian 64-bits on my laptop with Gnome! I have an ATI Radeon HD videocard, is this supported? |
| 13:36.02 | acu | yes |
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| 13:36.58 | acu | you may need to enable non-free repositories in /etc/apt/sources.list and add beside main contrib non-free streamlinx |
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| 13:37.46 | acu | streamlinx, but depend what you meant by "supported" - if you install the proprietary non-free ati-radeon drivers they work |
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| 13:38.48 | acu | streamlinx: if I where you I would install Debian Wheezy 7.0 - is not yet release but is stable and works like a charm |
| 13:39.16 | babilen | dpkg: tell streamlinx -about install wheezy |
| 13:39.23 | babilen | dpkg: tell streamlinx -about firmware images wheezy |
| 13:39.31 | babilen | dpkg: tell streamlinx -about radeon |
| 13:39.49 | ksuhku | streamlinx, you probably want to test it first without any propritary crud to see if it meets your needs |
| 13:40.34 | abrotman | it won't install it if you don't need it |
| 13:40.45 | babilen | The free radeon driver typically works just fine (provided firmware and libgl1-mesa-dri is installed) -- Hence the recommendation for an installer image with firmware. The netinstall one requires a working internet connection though. |
| 13:41.08 | streamlinx | A few months ago I allready tested it but I didn´t get a external monitor to work with my laptop! |
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| 13:41.36 | babilen | streamlinx: We might be able to help with that once you have it installed. |
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| 13:42.04 | ksuhku | I think external monitor should work on radeon |
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| 13:42.26 | streamlinx | Allright thanks guys, I will try it! |
| 13:42.53 | babilen | streamlinx: It is typically not very hard to get it working (you essentially just use xrandr to configure it) -- I've used it plenty of times before, but you might have to make sure that you install firmware /and/ libgl1-mesa-dri for your card. |
| 13:42.54 | streamlinx | Is Debian 7 really worth a try? Otherwise I will install 6.0.7! |
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| 13:43.24 | havarnov | hi, anyone know how i can install golang on debian squeeze? |
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| 13:43.38 | ksuhku | streamlinx, at this point 7 is probably the best |
| 13:43.45 | ksuhku | !tell streamlinx about rc bugs |
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| 13:44.02 | babilen | streamlinx: There is no point (IMHO) for end users to install 6.0.7 -- Wheezy is more or less fine to use for everybody and comes with newer software. If you were to install squeeze at this point you'll have to upgrade in a few weeks anyway and you would spend the next days upgrading/installing newer packages from backports. (such as a kernel, Xorg, ...) |
| 13:44.26 | Towzzer | !tell towzzer about sex |
| 13:44.26 | babilen | streamlinx: It is also that squeeze has more (known!) rc bugs than wheezy :) |
| 13:44.34 | babilen | Towzzer: err, please don't do that |
| 13:44.39 | babilen | (seriously) |
| 13:44.42 | Towzzer | sorry |
| 13:44.51 | streamlinx | Thanks! |
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| 13:45.45 | Towzzer | guys are so serious here :D |
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| 13:46.35 | babilen | Towzzer: You can always "/msg dpkg FOO" if you require anything. And yes, we try to keep certain standards here. |
| 13:46.56 | Towzzer | babilen, quick question |
| 13:47.00 | babilen | hmm? |
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| 13:47.14 | Towzzer | differences between sudo -i, sudo su, su root, sudo su root |
| 13:47.27 | Towzzer | and sudo bash |
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| 13:48.51 | babilen | and now throw in "su -", "su - root" and variations of "sudo -E" and so on ... Some of them are equivalent, some are not. Just read the manpages and you'll be enlightened. |
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| 13:59.18 | ChrisH | Towzzer: one keyword you want to check is environment |
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| 14:01.42 | debianN00b | iceweasel 17 sound not working for me... |
| 14:01.46 | debianN00b | please help me |
| 14:01.48 | rabbieth | the one n00b who calls him n00b and who is actually an old school hacker with a long beard? :P |
| 14:01.54 | rabbieth | ah |
| 14:02.13 | hero100 | here is my problem. when process A find process B being killed, it will start it again. so when i shutting down my computer, the system tried to kill process B, process A will tried to start it again. so my computer cannot shutdown. how I can fix it. I have no source code of the programs which run the two process. |
| 14:02.36 | debianN00b | rabbieth, hehe , huh? |
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| 14:03.17 | rabbieth | debianN00b: nothing :P i typed it and planned to say before you said about iceweasel :P |
| 14:03.33 | debianN00b | :) |
| 14:03.35 | MarkShuttleworth | hero100: This works in Ubuntu I believe |
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| 14:04.01 | debianN00b | i installed nonfree-plugins but still no sound |
| 14:04.04 | rabbieth | hero100: maybe just shutdown the process A first? or kill them both at one time with signal 9? |
| 14:04.52 | hero100 | how to do it in /etc/someplace? |
| 14:05.15 | rabbieth | pkill -9 proccess_A proccess_B |
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| 14:05.35 | rabbieth | don't know which place :P probably should study /etc/init.d and invent your own script |
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| 14:06.03 | hero100 | I'm a newbie. just find this problem by try to kill them in command line |
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| 14:08.22 | ChrisH | ,v iceweasel |
| 14:08.23 | judd | Package: iceweasel on i386 -- squeeze-proposed-updates: 3.5.16-16; squeeze-security: 3.5.16-17; squeeze: 3.5.16-20; squeeze-security: 3.5.16-20; squeeze-backports: 10.0.6esr-1~bpo60+1; squeeze-backports: 10.0.12esr-1~bpo60+1; wheezy: 10.0.12esr-1; sid: 10.0.12esr-1+nmu1; experimental: 19.0.2-1 |
| 14:08.45 | ChrisH | debianN00b: where do you get iceweasel 17 from? does not seems to be a debian package |
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| 14:09.35 | debianN00b | ChrisH, experimental ESI |
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| 14:11.51 | ChrisH | debianN00b: I see 19 in experimental |
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| 14:12.31 | tralala | ChrisH, get a static build from mozilla |
| 14:13.01 | jelly | ChrisH: 17.0.x ESR is on mozilla.debian.net |
| 14:13.31 | debianN00b | ChrisH, i added deb http://mozilla.debian.net/ experimental iceweasel-esr to my sources.list then i did "apt-get install -t experimental iceweasel" and it installed 17 |
| 14:14.00 | ChrisH | !experimental |
| 14:14.01 | dpkg | experimental is the bleeding edge of Debian Development. Packages here have been deemed unfit/DANGEROUS/untrustworthy/etc for release by the maintainer responsible for them. DO NOT INSTALL PACKAGES FROM EXPERIMENTAL WITHOUT KNOWING EXACTLY WHY AND WHAT YOU ARE DOING. #debian does _not_ support experimental. For an actual description, see section 4.6.4.3 of the Developer's Reference. http://packages.debian.org/experimental/ |
| 14:14.31 | tmp_ | Does anyone know what type of mass-production disk duplicating hardware works with Debian GNU/Linux? I'm wanting to replace a Primera Bravo II Disk Duplicator which uses an IDE drive -- "Are you from the past?" -- with a more modern one. Since I use Debian GNU/Linux on my multimedia production workstation I would love to finally end the use of Windows for my workflow. |
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| 14:15.31 | jelly | ChrisH: that's not experimental. |
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| 14:16.35 | ChrisH | jelly: "apt-get install -t experimental iceweasel" is not experimental? I am still happy with Iceweasel 3.5 from stable |
| 14:17.01 | jelly | ChrisH: correct, that repo is not what the factoid you referenced talks about |
| 14:17.02 | ChrisH | tmp_: what does a "mass-production disk duplicating hardware" do? write images to Disks or burn images onto DVDs? |
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| 14:17.33 | cockroach | are there any (semi-)official debian packages for kernel versions > 3.2? |
| 14:17.36 | ChrisH | jelly: OK I will stop answering on browser question. :) |
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| 14:18.17 | Budd | What's the most streaightforward way to get ip6tables rules loaded at boot? |
| 14:19.03 | tralala | a post-up rule in interfaces |
| 14:19.26 | Budd | I tried saving to /etc/ip6tables.rules, but that seems to be ignored - and I want to customize my system as little as possible. |
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| 14:20.22 | tmp_ | @ChrisH Yes, it can write images to disks/DVDs; it uses a robotic arm to automate the process of 1.) Selecting burnable disk from an input bin 2.) move it to a burner 3.) Burn the disk 4.) Ejects media 5.) Robotic arm moves disk up to custom label printer 6.) Prints label 7.) Robotic arm moves printed disk to output bin |
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| 14:21.50 | debianN00b | ChrisH, then no way to fix it since i installed no-supported browser? |
| 14:22.04 | Budd | I've come to really appreciate openwrt's squashfs+overlay, since it cleanly separates the system as-distributed from user-changed files. |
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| 14:22.56 | debianN00b | What i actually need to install for working sound on 3.5? |
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| 14:24.11 | debianN00b | This what i installed http://wiki.debian.org/FlashPlayer |
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| 14:25.38 | sudoman | i'm getting repeated hash-sum mismatches when doing apt-get update, even if i remove the partial files from /var/lib/apt/lists/partial |
| 14:26.07 | sudoman | i've even tried clearing out the entire /var/lib/apt/lists directory |
| 14:26.36 | Towzzer | maybe problem downloading the package, like bad network card or something |
| 14:26.52 | petn-randall | cockroach: you can either bake your own kernel-packages, or install kernels from sid/experimental. Though you should have a good reason for needing newer kernels. |
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| 14:27.24 | cockroach | petn-randall: thanks, i found the ones from experimental. i do have a good reason, USB3 doesn't work right with the current 3.2 kernels |
| 14:28.23 | petn-randall | cockroach: sounds like a valid point :). If you feel like baking your own, you can look into 'make-kpkg' from the 'kernel-package' package. |
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| 14:29.08 | cockroach | petn-randall: thanks, but i'll see whether the ones from experimental work first, after all I'm trying to do something mostly unrelated atm :) |
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| 14:32.54 | sudoman | Towzzer: it's probably a bad wifi connection |
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| 14:34.30 | sudoman | but it's always the same file that's failing... |
| 14:34.59 | sudoman | has anyone else run apt-get update on wheezy lately? |
| 14:35.12 | Nik05 | yes... |
| 14:35.13 | hasdf | sudoman, yip |
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| 14:35.29 | sudoman | hm... ;-/ |
| 14:35.55 | sudoman | maybe my laptop's hash-summer is on hash. :) |
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| 14:38.20 | sudoman | it looks like the file in question is in exerimental: W: Failed to fetch bzip2:/var/lib/apt/lists/partial/ftp.us.debian.org_debian_dists_experimental_main_binary-amd64_Packages Hash Sum mismatch |
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| 14:38.40 | petn-randall | sudoman: Are you using apt-cacher-ng or something similar? |
| 14:38.47 | sudoman | so has anyone tried updating with experimental ? |
| 14:38.56 | BluePass | sudoman: your laptop's checksummer is working on bitcoin mining behind your back, taking advantage of your apt-get updates. |
| 14:39.08 | sudoman | petn-randall: probably not, since i don't know what apt-cacher-ng is |
| 14:39.11 | debianN00b | sudoman, It happened for me too |
| 14:39.12 | abrotman | sudoman: your mirror could be out of date .. |
| 14:39.25 | debianN00b | but fixed.... |
| 14:39.30 | abrotman | using ftp.us.debian.org has its perils |
| 14:39.47 | debianN00b | router advertising |
| 14:39.49 | abrotman | sudoman: i'd pick an acutal mirror near you |
| 14:39.56 | sudoman | as an aside, why not use sha1sum? isn't it more secure? |
| 14:40.07 | BluePass | I once thought my mirror was out to date... I got a new one... and it turns out that's just what I look like. :( |
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| 14:40.27 | abrotman | debianN00b: do you need help with something? or are you just babbling |
| 14:40.28 | BluePass | outdated* |
| 14:41.03 | debianN00b | abrotman, I need help with iceweasel 17 sound |
| 14:41.07 | petn-randall | sudoman: more secure than what? |
| 14:41.22 | sudoman | abrotman: i'll try another mirror, thanks. :) |
| 14:41.22 | abrotman | debianN00b: wtf does that have to do with router advertizing? |
| 14:41.30 | abrotman | sudoman: where is the system located geographically? |
| 14:41.53 | sudoman | abrotman: massachusetts, usa |
| 14:41.57 | debianN00b | abrotman, oh no, I just replied that to sudoman. |
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| 14:42.13 | abrotman | sudoman: there's an MIT mirror, an RIT mirror |
| 14:42.30 | abrotman | debianN00b: so babbling |
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| 14:45.15 | abrotman | sudoman: also binghamton, ny |
| 14:45.16 | sudoman | abrotman: yes! thank you. and it's also faster. :) |
| 14:45.20 | sudoman | i went with mit |
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| 14:46.00 | abrotman | sudoman: enjoy!~ |
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| 14:47.13 | ChrisH | tmp_: sounds cool, but I expect this question can only be answered by a HW vendor. |
| 14:47.23 | tmp_ | No worries |
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| 14:47.49 | tmp_ | If I can't figure out how to get one to work natively, I may end up building my own |
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| 14:49.02 | ChrisH | tmp_: I know tape libraries and they can be handled from all UNIX systems I know. So if that robotic arm acts like a picker device from a tape library via the SCSI commands, it should be possible. |
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| 14:50.55 | kephra | there is one thing that bugs me with wheezy and using uuid's - mounting from fstab will resolve the symlinks to real pathes, but this does not apply to / |
| 14:50.55 | abrotman | ChrisH: or at least better answered by the vendor |
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| 14:51.21 | kephra | so output of df does not fit on screen |
| 14:51.41 | abrotman | kephra: COLUMNS=200 df -h |
| 14:51.54 | tmp_ | ChrisH: You know, now that you mention it, that would be an interesting way to go about it. |
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| 14:53.36 | fredl | hey folks |
| 14:53.49 | zeenix | hi |
| 14:54.16 | zeenix | i'm trying to add support for unattended installation for debian in Boxes: https://live.gnome.org/Design/Apps/Boxes |
| 14:54.20 | zeenix | through libosinfo though |
| 14:54.30 | fredl | I have a Wheezy system that's just installed (kernel 3.2.39-2) |
| 14:54.31 | kephra | abrotman, still the problem is that the initrd mount does not resolve the symlink ;-( |
| 14:54.35 | zeenix | we already got support for fedora, winxp and win7 |
| 14:55.12 | zeenix | this is the commandline being launched by Boxes: http://paste.fedoraproject.org/5706/13638753 |
| 14:55.13 | fredl | it has mysql installed which is it's only purpose, yet even when it's not doing anything except replicating, we see jdb2 constantly on top of the process list |
| 14:55.49 | zeenix | my preseed file looks like this: http://paste.fedoraproject.org/5706/13638753 |
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| 14:56.02 | zeenix | having two issues with different methods |
| 14:56.17 | MO_Handes | how is swap used during hibernate? |
| 14:56.48 | ksuhku | http://www.debian.org/News/2013/20130321 (remember to click the link!) |
| 14:56.56 | zeenix | firstly unattended installation does not kick in with neither usb disk nor http |
| 14:57.01 | fredl | I'm comparing this system with another Wheezy system with kernel 3.2.32-1 but with quite different hardware, there I *don't* see the jbd2 process on top |
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| 14:57.26 | LaicepS | Hey, I have a problem using named pipe. I create a named pipe using mkfifo. Its manual page states that the process opening the pipe will block until both ends of the pipe have been opened. But my program keeps going even after I open one end. Here is the code : http://ideone.com/006d38 |
| 14:57.41 | zeenix | although with usb disk, i get an error after answering a few questions: http://static.fi/~zeenix/tmp/boxes+debian-unattend-issue2.png |
| 14:57.42 | LaicepS | The idea is to run the program twice, and see each process communicate with the other |
| 14:58.07 | zeenix | and it looks like debian can't handle my usb disk: /tmp/boxes+debian-unattend-issue3.png |
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| 14:58.16 | zeenix | which fedora is able to handle fine though |
| 14:58.39 | fredl | one is a Poweredge r805 (the newer one) with 32GB RAM, the other is an older Dell 2905 with 16GB of RAM |
| 14:59.06 | fredl | yet not doing anything still, the r805 appears to have a load, while the 2905 doesn't |
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| 15:03.06 | sttau | is there a way to have emac's graphical native scroll bars on debian without having to rebuild the package manually from debian sources every time I want to update the package? |
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| 15:06.13 | nkuttler | sttau: try asking in #emacs? there must be some debian users in there |
| 15:06.15 | blubberdiblub | LaicepS, try opening it O_RDONLY on the reading end and O_WRONLY on the writing end |
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| 15:06.55 | babilen | sttau: Does the emacs package in Debian not support that feature? What do you change in order to get it? |
| 15:07.10 | sttau | nkuttler: a configure flag |
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| 15:07.13 | sttau | oops |
| 15:07.15 | sttau | babilen: ^ |
| 15:08.05 | blubberdiblub | LaicepS, ah, you're passing data in both directions? i'm not sure if that will work. try using 2 fifos |
| 15:08.12 | babilen | sttau: Well, if you have to ecompile the package then you have to recompile the package. Which flag is it? Would it make sense to change it by default? |
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| 15:09.48 | sttau | babilen: no, it wouldn't make sense. I was just hopping there would be a custom apt mechanism that would automatically recompile the custom-built package |
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| 15:12.16 | babilen | sttau: I am not aware of a tool that eases the burden. There was talk about a mechanism to make it easier for users to maintain local forks like that, but I am not sure if anything was implemented. |
| 15:12.49 | LaicepS | blubberdiblub: yeah, apparently that was the issue, thanks |
| 15:13.25 | sttau | babilen: on the mailing lists? I'm going to stfg it, it sounds interesting |
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| 15:14.41 | blubberdiblub | LaicepS, you're welcome |
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| 15:20.36 | penguin1 | Question: How can I find out the currently used DHCP server? |
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| 15:22.48 | penguin1 | anyone? |
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| 15:23.04 | mtn | penguin1: /etc/resolv.conf |
| 15:23.16 | penguin1 | dhcp server? |
| 15:23.18 | penguin1 | or dns server? |
| 15:23.28 | penguin1 | I thought resolv.con contains the dns. I need dhcp |
| 15:23.32 | xlinkz0 | i seem to have forgotten my root password, how can i reset it? i run debian in a VM |
| 15:23.45 | mtn | penguin1: yes, I see. dhcp is from you network isn't it? |
| 15:23.54 | mtn | you/your |
| 15:24.15 | abrotman | penguin1: your logs should have this .. i'd imagine the dhcp client should have a log also |
| 15:24.24 | abrotman | erm .. a method laos |
| 15:24.26 | abrotman | also |
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| 15:24.57 | petn-randall | xlinkz0: You can add init=/bin/bash to the grub kernel line, then remount / rewriteable and use passwd to change it. |
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| 15:25.47 | xlinkz0 | petn-randall, so i press C when grub loads then type 'init=/bin/bash' ? |
| 15:26.35 | reavengrey | Yo, I want to do a "shallow" uninstall of a certain package (WINE) |
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| 15:26.47 | reavengrey | The idea is I want to apt-get source wine |
| 15:26.49 | petn-randall | xlinkz0: IIRC you press e to edit the boot option, then append that on the kernel line. |
| 15:26.57 | reavengrey | Then apply some patches, and recompile and repackage |
| 15:27.16 | kyr0 | penguin1: This information should be in your dhclient.leases file |
| 15:27.29 | reavengrey | Wait, do I have to uninstall my currently installed wine package before recompiling? |
| 15:27.39 | petn-randall | reavengrey: no, you don't |
| 15:27.41 | reavengrey | Or, when I dpkg -i the new package, will it overwrite? |
| 15:27.46 | reavengrey | Kk, thanks then |
| 15:27.48 | reavengrey | all good |
| 15:27.49 | petn-randall | reavengrey: yes. |
| 15:27.51 | babilen | penguin1: In general: It is whatever DHCP server answers your request. You probably find information about that in your logs. Are you using network-manager? |
| 15:30.18 | xlinkz0 | petn-randall, what do i do now? http://i.imgur.com/gQ0l4xE.png , i tried pressing Ctrl + x but no shell popped up, just the normal login screen.. |
| 15:31.03 | petn-randall | xlinkz0: ... then append that on the kernel line. |
| 15:31.19 | xlinkz0 | what do you mean by kernel line? |
| 15:31.35 | petn-randall | xlinkz0: Don't write at the beginning, APPEND it on the line starting with 'linux /boot...' |
| 15:32.29 | xlinkz0 | ah |
| 15:32.33 | petn-randall | xlinkz0: then it should boot, you have a root shell. 'mount -o remount,rw /' should get the root partition writeable again, then you can use 'passwd' to change the password. |
| 15:33.15 | petn-randall | xlinkz0: sorry, I should have been more clear. |
| 15:33.17 | xlinkz0 | thanks ! |
| 15:33.35 | petn-randall | xlinkz0: You're welcome. Works on your co-worker machine, too ;) |
| 15:33.45 | petn-randall | * co-worker's |
| 15:33.48 | xlinkz0 | heh :p |
| 15:34.08 | xlinkz0 | hmm, still can't login through the GUI login screen with root |
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| 15:34.25 | penguin1 | What is the difference between dhcpd.leases and dhcpd.leases~ (with tilde) ? |
| 15:34.42 | idimmu | the tilde file is probably a temp file some editor just left around |
| 15:34.47 | idimmu | diff them |
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| 15:35.20 | penguin1 | I opened the dhcpd.leases file. Where is the entry for dns? |
| 15:35.21 | penguin1 | I cannot find it |
| 15:35.30 | karlpinc | penguin1: (~ is often an emacs backup, of what existed the last time the file was saved.) |
| 15:35.38 | penguin1 | never changed it |
| 15:35.39 | penguin1 | hm |
| 15:35.39 | kyr0 | penguin1: Where you not looking for yor DHCP server? |
| 15:35.53 | karlpinc | penguin1: Could be some other program that did change it. |
| 15:35.57 | penguin1 | right |
| 15:36.04 | babilen | penguin1: What are you trying to do? |
| 15:36.05 | xlinkz0 | petn-randall, how should i exit that shell? |
| 15:36.17 | penguin1 | how can I find out what dns server is provided by the dhcp server? |
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| 15:36.39 | kyr0 | penguin1: Look in the /etc/resolv.conf file. They should be there. |
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| 15:38.09 | babilen | penguin1: How are you calling DHCP? Do you use network-manager? How many DHCP servers do you have running on your network? (should really be only one) Can't you check /their/ configuration? Do you configure the DNS server via DHCP? (i.e. request domain-name-servers in /etc/dhcp/dhclient.conf) |
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| 15:40.38 | penguin1 | right |
| 15:40.42 | penguin1 | there is one dhcp server |
| 15:40.46 | penguin1 | I found the data now |
| 15:41.00 | penguin1 | interestingly they are stored in isc-dhcp-server config format |
| 15:41.09 | penguin1 | I can directly reuse them as dhcp server config |
| 15:41.16 | babilen | penguin1: Have you heard of punctuation? |
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| 15:42.50 | penguin1 | no |
| 15:42.52 | penguin1 | I didn't |
| 15:42.54 | penguin1 | :) |
| 15:43.03 | penguin1 | * haven't |
| 15:43.16 | v00lo | hello, i have a question regarding debian installation. I'm installing debian using small cd installation (expert mode) |
| 15:43.25 | v00lo | and i see that i can only install grub or lilo |
| 15:43.44 | v00lo | is there a way to install grub2 instead? |
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| 15:44.04 | petn-randall | xlinkz0: it's a bit hacky approach. Type 'sync', then hard reboot the machine, that's probably the easiest way. I don't think stuff like 'reboot' works, since nothing is set up. |
| 15:44.23 | xlinkz0 | i force reset it from virtualbox.. |
| 15:44.45 | petn-randall | xlinkz0: That should be it, yeah. |
| 15:44.47 | xlinkz0 | i might add this is a fresh install, it seems i just can't login with the root user, i created another one and that works |
| 15:44.47 | babilen | penguin1: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Punctuation ← Please read this article and try to incorporate some of these characters into your utterances. ;) |
| 15:45.03 | xlinkz0 | but i get a bunch of errors as soon as i login :( |
| 15:45.10 | babilen | v00lo: Which version of Debian are you installing? What will you use the box for? |
| 15:45.24 | xlinkz0 | petn-randall, http://i.imgur.com/wpYOqGG.png , http://i.imgur.com/VmFnyif.png |
| 15:45.49 | babilen | v00lo: I thought that every recent version (squeeze or wheezy) would install grub2 though. It might actually be the choice between grub2 and lilo. |
| 15:46.11 | xlinkz0 | after that i get this error : http://i.imgur.com/mWCu1KS.png and now.. nothing happens |
| 15:46.21 | kyr0 | v00lo: If you install squeeze grub = grub2 |
| 15:46.34 | kyr0 | v00lo: http://wiki.debian.org/Grub#Debian_Squeeze_and_later |
| 15:46.37 | v00lo | i just got small cd version from http://www.debian.org/distrib/netinst |
| 15:46.47 | xlinkz0 | i think i'll just reinstall debian without gui.. this seems to be really messed up :\ |
| 15:47.06 | kyr0 | v00lo: Then you have squeeze. |
| 15:47.09 | v00lo | wanted as small isntall as possible, because i wanted to download packages from net anyway |
| 15:47.11 | v00lo | yeah |
| 15:47.14 | v00lo | most likely |
| 15:47.23 | babilen | v00lo: Okay, what will that box be used for? That installer /does/ install grub2, but you might want to install wheezy these days. See "/msg dpkg install wheezy" for instructrions and use the images with firmware from "/msg dpkg firmware images wheezy" |
| 15:47.29 | v00lo | desktop |
| 15:47.43 | petn-randall | xlinkz0: looks unrelated to your first problem. Which user are you logging in with? Is the username 'home'? |
| 15:48.01 | fredl | hey guys, it would seem that the ext4 journalling is causing considerable slowdown on our mysql server with ext4 filesystem. |
| 15:48.06 | v00lo | why would wheezy be better? i've had some issues with debian, i'm not sure my wifi hardware is supported |
| 15:48.09 | xlinkz0 | petn-randall, yeah after several attempts with root, i tried creating a normal user and that worked for login |
| 15:48.20 | fredl | is there a way to (remotely) disable journalling / is it wise to do? |
| 15:48.25 | penguin1 | babilen: Ah, this telegram style. Bad habit. |
| 15:48.31 | v00lo | so every new release i'm trying to install it again, hoping for wifi support |
| 15:48.44 | xlinkz0 | petn-randall, i don't think i forgot the root password afterall.. just that i couldn't login with it in the GUI, and when i installed the image this morning i opted not to install a normal user |
| 15:48.45 | fredl | Our sysadmin has done the install on one big filesystem in one partition, no space left on disk :( |
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| 15:48.49 | petn-randall | xlinkz0: NEVER login as root. Especially not into a GUI. |
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| 15:48.59 | babilen | v00lo: Wheezy is the currently frozen testing release that will be released as stable soon. It contains a bunch of newer software and, in particular, a newer kernel. If this is for your personal use I would install that. Which wifi adaptor do you have? |
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| 15:49.29 | xlinkz0 | petn-randall, yeah i know, anyway these error happened under 'home' user |
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| 15:49.39 | penguin1 | fredl: you mean all folders onto one partition scheme (atomic)? |
| 15:49.43 | petn-randall | xlinkz0: Well, those error messages don't say you have a wrong password ... you should have mentioned them in the first place. :/ |
| 15:49.44 | v00lo | running lspci got me this: Network controller: Intel Corporation Ultimate N WiFi Link 5300 |
| 15:49.51 | fredl | penguin1, yes. |
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| 15:50.04 | xlinkz0 | petn-randall, those happened only after i managed to login.. |
| 15:50.07 | v00lo | gentoo has support for it, i remember it while configuring the kernel |
| 15:50.08 | penguin1 | fredl: but what would it change even if there would be multiple partitions? |
| 15:50.11 | babilen | v00lo: Would you mind running "lspci -nn|grep -i network" ? |
| 15:50.19 | fredl | penguin1, so I would like to find out if there's a way to (remotely) disable the journalling on the ext4 root filesystem. |
| 15:50.31 | reavengrey | Hi, if I apt-get source wine, and the repo version is WINE 1.4, and I want to create a .deb for wine 1.5, how can I create a new package for version 1.5? |
| 15:50.32 | xlinkz0 | petn-randall, this is the first time i try to use this image, i installed it this morning but didn't get to use it until now so it didn't work before |
| 15:50.36 | v00lo | sure: Network controller [0280]: Intel Corporation Ultimate N WiFi Link 5300 [8086:4235] |
| 15:50.41 | babilen | v00lo: That device definitely needs firmware and might need a newer kernel than what is in wheezy. (I think it does, but let me check) |
| 15:50.42 | penguin1 | fredl: remotely? you are using SSH? |
| 15:50.47 | babilen | judd: pciid 8086:4235 |
| 15:50.48 | judd | [8086:4235] is 'Ultimate N WiFi Link 5300' from 'Intel Corporation' with kernel modules 'ata_generic', 'iwlagn', 'snd-hda-intel' in squeeze. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=8086:4235 http://wiki.debian.org/iwlwifi |
| 15:50.49 | fredl | penguin1, then I could change the filesystem type for /var/lib/mysql |
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| 15:51.24 | penguin1 | fredl: so you can use SSH, right? you got sudo / root access? |
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| 15:52.26 | v00lo | ok, i'll look it all up |
| 15:53.04 | babilen | v00lo: That device is well supported by kernels in either squeeze or wheezy. You /have/ to install firmware though, provide it during the installation or use an image with firmware. See http://wiki.debian.org/iwlwifi for details. |
| 15:53.04 | babilen | v00lo: I would still recommend to install wheezy at this point. |
| 15:53.04 | babilen | dpkg: tell v00lo about iwlwifi |
| 15:53.04 | babilen | dpkg: ping |
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| 15:53.12 | fredl | penguin1, yes. |
| 15:53.13 | fredl | we don't have console right now as our sysadmin just left the datacenter. |
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| 15:53.23 | babilen | o_O |
| 15:53.25 | petn-randall | hehe :) |
| 15:53.32 | ksuhku | babilen, you help too many people! |
| 15:53.38 | penguin1 | the boot awoke |
| 15:53.39 | penguin1 | * bot |
| 15:53.42 | penguin1 | lol |
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| 15:54.04 | MarkShuttleworth | I'd hardly call four messages a "flood" |
| 15:54.22 | reavengrey | Hi, if I apt-get source wine, and the repo version is WINE 1.4, and I want to create a .deb for wine 1.5, how can I create a new package for version 1.5? |
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| 15:54.31 | babilen | Haven't had that before :) |
| 15:55.00 | penguin1 | fredl: disabling journaling would defeat its advantages, this you know? |
| 15:55.04 | MarkShuttleworth | reavengrey: Download the source from the WINE site or their repository. But aren't there already debs for most wine versions? |
| 15:55.14 | babilen | there are |
| 15:55.17 | babilen | ,v wine |
| 15:55.18 | judd | Package: wine on i386 -- squeeze: 1.0.1-3.1; sid: 1.4.1-4; wheezy: 1.4.1-4 |
| 15:55.22 | babilen | ,v wine-unstable |
| 15:55.24 | judd | Package: wine-unstable on i386 -- sid: 1.5.6-2 |
| 15:55.40 | penguin1 | fredl: have you already cleaned up? removed unneeded packages? have you tried apt-get autoremove / aptitude purge '~C' or deborphan/orphaner (use them carefully!)? |
| 15:55.56 | penguin1 | fredl: have you got a backup from the disc you now want to mess around with? |
| 15:56.30 | reavengrey | Ah, ok wine-unstable |
| 15:56.31 | reavengrey | thanks |
| 15:56.53 | reavengrey | No 64-bit versions? |
| 15:57.14 | babilen | reavengrey: The bot defaults to i386 (for now) |
| 15:57.19 | penguin1 | fredl: are you online? |
| 15:57.21 | reavengrey | Kk, ty |
| 15:57.27 | babilen | judd: v wine-unstable --arch amd64 |
| 15:57.28 | judd | Package: wine-unstable on amd64 -- sid: 1.5.6-2 |
| 15:57.34 | reavengrey | nice |
| 15:57.48 | babilen | reavengrey: Which version of Debian are you using right now? |
| 15:58.04 | reavengrey | Wheezy <3 |
| 15:58.31 | reavengrey | !tell reavengrey about unstable |
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| 15:58.49 | babilen | reavengrey: I would recommend to backport that package rather than installing it directly. (that is if you plan to keep using wheezy) -- Follow the instructions in "/msg dpkg ssb" to do that. (it should be relatively straightforward) |
| 15:58.52 | fredl | penguin1, the only process right now that causes IO is mysql, and only replicating from another server. |
| 15:59.07 | reavengrey | Well, babilen I want to patch wine |
| 15:59.09 | reavengrey | for a certain game |
| 15:59.17 | reavengrey | So, have to apt-get source, then recompile |
| 15:59.23 | babilen | reavengrey: In that case you have to compile it anyway |
| 15:59.27 | reavengrey | right |
| 15:59.30 | babilen | dpkg: tell reavengrey -about package recompile |
| 15:59.33 | fredl | penguin1, the advantages of ext3 are multiple I believe, 1) it's fast, 2) it journals. |
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| 15:59.56 | fredl | penguin1, with journalling on, the performance appears to slow to a crawl. |
| 16:00.01 | babilen | reavengrey: I simply meant that I wouldn't mix wheezy with sid anymore these days. |
| 16:00.03 | fredl | we need speed. |
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| 16:00.16 | penguin1 | fredl: have you already inspected the disc? what consumes most space on it? |
| 16:00.23 | penguin1 | fredl: logrotating used? |
| 16:00.44 | reavengrey | babilen: Then can I assume that adding a repo for "wheezy-backports" will pull from unstable? |
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| 16:01.02 | penguin1 | fredl: and you got a backup? imagine, something messes up when trying to turn off journaling... You would be glad having a backup, wouldn't you? |
| 16:01.28 | babilen | reavengrey: No, wheezy-backports is wheezy-backports (which is currently empty, or it was last time I checked) |
| 16:01.38 | babilen | I would be surprised if there were any uploads to it. |
| 16:01.45 | reavengrey | Kk, so I'm basically forced to pull from unstable, right? |
| 16:01.52 | reavengrey | Or is there a cleaner way? |
| 16:01.54 | dutchfish | fredl, i consider turning journaling off on a speed decaying disk a very bad idee, btw |
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| 16:02.05 | babilen | reavengrey: You /backport/ the package yourself. |
| 16:02.33 | reavengrey | babilen: How confident can I be that if I pull the package from unstable and recompile it |
| 16:02.51 | babilen | reavengrey: … ? |
| 16:02.53 | reavengrey | that it will be stable enough to contribute it to wheezy-backports? |
| 16:03.14 | reavengrey | Idk, doesn't seem very smart |
| 16:03.43 | babilen | reavengrey: I don't quite follow. You are not supposed to get your package into wheezy-backports at all. The idea is that you create a local backport as an official one is missing. |
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| 16:04.52 | petn-randall | fredl: journaling also makes sure you don't have to reinstall your machine after a crash. Make sure to turn it off only on filesystems you're willing to loose it's data. |
| 16:04.55 | reavengrey | Is there a dpkgbot reference for this? I don't quite follow -- by "create a local backport", do you mean, pull from unstable as souce, recompile, and use that as my "backported" version? Or some other process? |
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| 16:05.37 | babilen | reavengrey: As I said: "/msg dpkg ssb" |
| 16:05.43 | babilen | dpkg: tell reavengrey about ssb |
| 16:05.44 | reavengrey | Right, thanks then |
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| 16:06.31 | babilen | reavengrey: I would expect that most/all build-dependencies can be satisfied ... otherwise backport those first. |
| 16:06.42 | reavengrey | right, thanks |
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| 16:08.03 | ChibaPet | Hey, anyone know off the top of their head if grub-legacy as provided by Wheezy has GPT patches included? |
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| 16:10.23 | fredl | I know turning journalling off isn't a good idea. |
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| 16:10.58 | fredl | however, jdb2 is killing the performance of the machine. |
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| 16:11.08 | fredl | penguin1, this is a *new* wheezy install. |
| 16:11.17 | fredl | so I don't really care about the backup. |
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| 16:12.04 | dokma | I've got 2 identical 120GB sata drives and one 1TB sata but they get dev names like this: 120GB =sda 1TB = sdb 120GB = sdc |
| 16:12.06 | petn-randall | ChibaPet: If you want to boot from UEFI + GPT, you need grub2 from experimental. |
| 16:12.12 | dutchfish | fredl, use ext4 |
| 16:12.17 | petn-randall | ChibaPet: I doubt grub-legacy supports GPT at all. |
| 16:12.18 | dokma | that's a bit hard to keep in my head |
| 16:12.21 | penguin1 | fredl: right |
| 16:12.28 | dokma | I'd like the 120GB drives to be sda and sdb |
| 16:12.33 | dokma | and 1TB to be sdc |
| 16:12.34 | penguin1 | fredl: is the jdb2 data on a separate partition? |
| 16:12.35 | fredl | dutchfish, I *am* using ext4 |
| 16:12.39 | dokma | and way to make this happen? |
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| 16:12.50 | penguin1 | fredl: you should use LVM and put all the data on a separate partition. |
| 16:12.50 | petn-randall | fredl: what's the machine / partition for? |
| 16:12.56 | fredl | penguin1 we have only 1 partition thanks to our clever sysadmin. |
| 16:12.57 | dutchfish | fredl, oh, my mistake then i read ext3 |
| 16:13.12 | penguin1 | fredl: it is a fresh install, you could simply start over? |
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| 16:13.39 | UukGoblin | huh |
| 16:13.51 | fredl | if I had console now that's what I would do, yes. |
| 16:13.52 | UukGoblin | on the logrotate page, they suggest that "2001/12/01" is OK for a filename extension |
| 16:14.00 | penguin1 | fredl: it is a server? ipmi? |
| 16:14.02 | UukGoblin | it's not, really - can't have a file with a '/' in it |
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| 16:14.16 | fredl | no alas, no ipmi or drac. |
| 16:14.24 | penguin1 | fredl: a normal pc box then |
| 16:14.25 | fredl | I wish. |
| 16:14.35 | somiaj | UukGoblin: well you can, but it wouldnt be just a file extension. |
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| 16:14.51 | somiaj | UukGoblin: it would nicely split your logs up into different directories, problem is creating the directories first. (: |
| 16:14.54 | fredl | no it's a Dell R805 but without Drac card because my employer doesn't believe in those ;) |
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| 16:15.07 | ChibaPet | petn-randall: There are evidently patches some distros ship. I'll explore a bit. Experimenting, trying to dual-boot FreeBSD, and GRUB2 is misbehaving. I need to try either newer or older. I might pull in the experimental package. |
| 16:15.14 | somiaj | UukGoblin: what logroate page are you talking about? |
| 16:15.30 | UukGoblin | somiaj, man 5 logrotate.conf |
| 16:15.31 | penguin1 | fredl: you could boot into rescue system? |
| 16:15.54 | UukGoblin | somiaj, or man 8 logrotate |
| 16:16.01 | dutchfish | fredl, have you checked th hw-raid setup matches your db2 needs? |
| 16:16.28 | penguin1 | fredl: you should really think about adding remote management. Imagine, the server crashes / borked and you are far away. |
| 16:16.32 | UukGoblin | what's actually annoying is that it says it doesn't allow anything else than %Y, %m, %d and %s for dateformat :-S |
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| 16:16.44 | fredl | rescue system, remotely? |
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| 16:17.10 | fredl | I'm not sure if I understand your question dutchfish. |
| 16:17.33 | fredl | we have hardware RAID, two SAS disks on a Dell RAID controller. |
| 16:17.48 | fredl | so on Linux we see one physical disk |
| 16:17.49 | somiaj | UukGoblin: it doesn't say that you should use 2001/12/01 as the format, I agree it is confusing but the log enver says that should be used -- |
| 16:18.03 | dutchfish | fredl, is your hardware-raid-setup done with the needs for your db2 setup in mind? |
| 16:18.05 | fredl | it's also not fakeraid or anything like that AFAIK |
| 16:18.13 | somiaj | UukGoblin: it is giving an example in what the author thought was a standard date to show you it needs to sort correctly. |
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| 16:18.32 | penguin1 | fredl: not sure, but; http://wiki.debian.org/RescueInitramfs |
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| 16:18.38 | UukGoblin | somiaj, yeah, I know, I just thought it was a bit weird ;-] |
| 16:18.56 | fredl | dutchfish, no way. The only reason we use hardware RAID is for the sysadmin to have mirroring. |
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| 16:19.01 | fredl | hence only 2 disks. |
| 16:19.02 | somiaj | UukGoblin: that is probabaly an upstream bug, I'm assuming that is where it comes from. |
| 16:19.20 | fredl | other than that this is also a Poweredge R805 that can only hold two disks. |
| 16:19.20 | dutchfish | fredl, that must suffer ... mmm |
| 16:19.26 | UukGoblin | somiaj, :-) yeah, not sure how to find the fedora guys on IRC |
| 16:20.00 | UukGoblin | somiaj, but what's really annoying is the lack of %H for hours :-/ |
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| 16:21.57 | penguin1 | fredl: best bet would be to make remote maintenance possible and then a clean and correct reinstall of squeeze (including raid) |
| 16:21.59 | somiaj | UukGoblin: sounds like you have way to many log enteries to need to rotate every couple of hours...(: |
| 16:22.15 | fredl | wheezy. |
| 16:22.25 | UukGoblin | somiaj, hourly just fits better for my purpose |
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| 16:22.34 | penguin1 | fredl: the alternative would be to restart the server by ssh and let it somehow boot a rescue system which doesn't relay on the harddiscs. So you can change them with a diskmanager |
| 16:22.35 | somiaj | UukGoblin: what is wrong with just using %s? |
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| 16:22.47 | UukGoblin | somiaj, it's less readable... |
| 16:22.48 | penguin1 | fredl: would be the same for wheezy |
| 16:23.10 | UukGoblin | somiaj, I'll probably end up using a postrotate script that'll run 'mv' to name it right :-/ |
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| 16:23.43 | somiaj | UukGoblin: have you looked at the logrotate source, I wonder if it would be a simple patch to add support for %H |
| 16:24.01 | somiaj | (though I guess then you have to recompile it everytime it is updated while a second script would just deal with it) |
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| 16:24.24 | UukGoblin | somiaj, yeh |
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| 16:26.54 | somiaj | UukGoblin: It does seem the upstream homepage has a way to submit tickets, you could request such a feature |
| 16:27.13 | penguin1 | fredl: is iDRAC supported by that server? |
| 16:27.35 | fredl | penguin1, supported, yes, if you have a Drac card which we don't |
| 16:28.01 | penguin1 | fredl: iDRAC would be directly integrated |
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| 16:28.17 | UukGoblin | somiaj, yeah, thanks ;-) I'll think about it |
| 16:28.21 | penguin1 | fredl: (Quote from wikipedia): "The latest versions are now iDRAC, where the "i" is for integrated as the hardware part is now often integrated on the motherboard of the server." |
| 16:28.38 | penguin1 | fredl: when it is already integrated, there would be no need for a card, right? |
| 16:30.47 | fredl | R805 has integrated Drac?? |
| 16:31.40 | fredl | That would be a first. |
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| 16:32.31 | penguin1 | fredl: what is in its specs? |
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| 16:32.43 | fredl | that it's not in there. |
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| 16:36.37 | penguin1 | fredl: are you sure an extra card is needed for remote mangement? |
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| 16:41.45 | fredl | penguin1, quite sure |
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| 16:47.04 | penguin1 | fredl: hen-egg problem: you need some os to reformat the disc(s) but you cannot reformat them, when an os on it is running. |
| 16:47.10 | staykov | hi - i have installed chromium after building it from apt src, but now it wants to upgrade and i would like to pin it |
| 16:47.29 | penguin1 | fredl: you have got no physical access to server now, right? |
| 16:47.29 | staykov | i tried pinning it in /etc/apt/preferences |
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| 16:48.07 | staykov | this is what it looks like http://pastie.org/6971601 |
| 16:48.15 | staykov | that version is the version that dpkg shows |
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| 16:48.39 | staykov | but apt-get upgrade still tries to install it from the repo |
| 16:48.49 | computerwizard0 | Quick question... if i have a software raid configured using mdadm and a situation will arise in which the drive order is going to change, do I need to stop the raid array and then reconfigure after installing the new drives? Or will mdadm automatically recognize that the mirrors on the secondary controller are all in new places? |
| 16:49.13 | fredl | penguin1, correct. |
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| 16:49.21 | fredl | guys the bottom-line..... |
| 16:49.59 | fredl | this is a Wheezy server, freshly installed. The config may be less than optimal with only one partition, it being ext4 and mysql replicating on it..... |
| 16:50.13 | fredl | and jdb2 *kills* the performance. |
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| 16:50.48 | fredl | other than database optimizations, etc. etc. etc. this is not right! |
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| 16:51.59 | fredl | So let me rephrase my question, how do I make journalling work normally without eating up my whole system? |
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| 16:53.37 | dizzylizzy | is there any reasonable reason I'd leave a portion of my hard drive unpartitioned instead of using the rest after /boot for LVM? |
| 16:53.46 | fredl | anyway, dinnertime. |
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| 16:54.14 | somiaj | dizzylizzy: depends on design, but for the most part if you are going to use LVM, just use the whole disk since you can move things around inside the LVM easier. |
| 16:54.31 | jimcooncat | dizzylizzy: I wouldn't think so as long as you can use a livecd or liveusb on the system. |
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| 16:55.57 | MO_Handes | how to change display brightness (with commands)? |
| 16:56.10 | reavengrey | I'm so proud, I've built my first .deb package |
| 16:56.16 | reavengrey | I feel like such a debian pro right now |
| 16:56.18 | reavengrey | hnnnnnng |
| 16:56.19 | reavengrey | rofl |
| 16:56.27 | MO_Handes | I want to create a keyboard shortcut for changing display brightness |
| 16:56.37 | reavengrey | Today package recompiling |
| 16:56.42 | reavengrey | tomorrow contributing \o/ |
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| 16:57.28 | jimcooncat | MO_Handes: I'm guessing this depends on your desktop environment, though there might be an underlying X command. |
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| 16:58.43 | socomm | Hey guys, I did a dist-upgrade the other day on a VM. |
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| 16:59.15 | socomm | When I boot the machine to day I get a "Unaligned pointer 0x92cf0002" error |
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| 17:00.03 | petn-randall | socomm: from where to where did you dist-upgrade? Could you provide the lines around this error, or a screenshot? |
| 17:00.17 | socomm | one second |
| 17:00.24 | dizzylizzy | somiaj, whole disk minus /boot, right? |
| 17:01.14 | staykov | hi - i have installed chromium after building it from apt src, but now it wants to upgrade and i would like to pin it |
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| 17:01.21 | staykov | this is what it looks like http://pastie.org/6971601 |
| 17:01.28 | ksuhku | MO_Handes, find /sys -name brightness |
| 17:01.33 | staykov | but it still tries to upgrade, ive never pinned a pacakge before |
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| 17:02.01 | somiaj | dizzylizzy: correct |
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| 17:02.54 | somiaj | staykov: can I see the output of apt-cache policy chromium (with your custom package installed) |
| 17:03.06 | somiaj | staykov: most likely you just want '/msg dpkg hold' |
| 17:03.19 | somiaj | i.e. no need to pin in this case |
| 17:04.21 | staykov | ahh ok hold should be it |
| 17:04.36 | staykov | yeah it looks like i did it wrong http://pastie.org/6971799 |
| 17:04.42 | staykov | thanks somiaj ! |
| 17:04.52 | socomm | http://picpaste.com/pics/error-ZqQZMiiO.1363885481.png |
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| 17:05.33 | somiaj | staykov: you have stable and wheezy sources mixed? Bad Bad juju |
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| 17:06.19 | staykov | ohh :( well i thought it was a good idea at the time |
| 17:06.29 | staykov | i needed a few packages from stable |
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| 17:06.38 | socomm | petn-randall: http://picpaste.com/pics/error-ZqQZMiiO.1363885481.png |
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| 17:08.04 | somiaj | staykov: well that case is usually better than need a few packages from testing in stable |
| 17:08.27 | somiaj | staykov: int hat case I suggest just download the debs from packages.debian.org as opposed to having a stable source. |
| 17:08.54 | staykov | ahhh ok thanks, ill do that and remove it |
| 17:08.57 | somiaj | staykov: why are you recompiling the same version of chromium? Are you needing custom config flags? |
| 17:09.22 | somiaj | staykov: also some stable packages may need to be recompiled to work on wheezy, though since most depends are >= it works. |
| 17:09.30 | staykov | i switched from using google chrome and it had a really nice feature in the inspector that i missed |
| 17:10.01 | somiaj | so you have to patch chromium ot get that feature? |
| 17:10.05 | staykov | "copy as curl" which i guess is only in newer webkit versions for hte inspector |
| 17:10.12 | staykov | yeah it kind of sucks but i use it a lot |
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| 17:10.15 | petn-randall | socomm: Looks like you broke the bootloader. Do you know what you did before it happened? |
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| 17:10.28 | petn-randall | socomm: Did you maybe shutdown the VM while it was updating grub? |
| 17:11.08 | socomm | petn-randall: I can't remember, all remember is doing "apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade" |
| 17:11.31 | socomm | this is a vm I converted from VirtualBox to KVM though. |
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| 17:11.42 | petn-randall | staykov, somiaj: I would not recommend downloading from packages.debian.org, as this bypasses the whole repository signature checks. |
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| 17:12.19 | petn-randall | socomm: But did it work on KVM before? |
| 17:12.43 | socomm | http://140.120.7.20/KVM-tool/MyKvmNotes.html |
| 17:12.48 | socomm | petn-randall: it worked initially |
| 17:13.00 | socomm | not after dist-upgrade it seems |
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| 17:13.15 | reavengrey | I'm amazing |
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| 17:13.49 | somiaj | petn-randall: why would that be an issue from downloading from offical debian repos? |
| 17:14.05 | petn-randall | somiaj: Man-in-the-middle attacks? |
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| 17:14.43 | sparr | how can I delete all users with UID >= 1000? |
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| 17:15.11 | petn-randall | somiaj: you're bypassing any cryptographic signatures you have when downloading via apt-get. |
| 17:15.26 | socomm | sparr: bash script |
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| 17:15.41 | petn-randall | somiaj: And since all the postinst scripts run as root, it's a good way to 0wn a machine. |
| 17:15.50 | TheWarden | I'm wanting to install grub2 to USB so I can install Debian via USB flash drive. Now I'm not sure if this is accurate but it was my understand I have to do "grub-install --root-directory=/mnt/usb --force --no-floppy /dev/sdb1" however I get an error message of "/usr/sbin/grub-setup: warn: Attempting to install GRUB to a partition instead of the MBR. This is a BAD idea.." |
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| 17:15.55 | sparr | socomm: can you be more specific? I'm having trouble coming up with a way to make a list of those users |
| 17:16.02 | TheWarden | and "/usr/sbin/grub-setup: warn: Embedding is not possible. GRUB can only be installed in this setup by using blocklists. However, blocklists are UNRELIABLE and their use is discouraged.. |
| 17:16.04 | TheWarden | Installation finished. No error reported." |
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| 17:16.16 | TheWarden | and "/usr/sbin/grub-setup: warn: Embedding is not possible. GRUB can only be installed in this setup by using blocklists. However, blocklists are UNRELIABLE and their use is discouraged..Installation finished. No error reported". |
| 17:16.33 | TheWarden | I'm doing this all from the shell on a Debian Squeeze system. |
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| 17:16.49 | socomm | sparr: cat /etc/passwd will give you all users |
| 17:16.52 | petn-randall | socomm: You could boot from a live CD with KVM, mount your root partition, chroot to it and try to fixing any issues. |
| 17:17.02 | socomm | sparr: http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/linux-list-users-command/ |
| 17:17.21 | socomm | petn-randall: thats what I was thinking, was hoping there was simpler fix |
| 17:17.22 | petn-randall | socomm: However double-check that you didn't just change the KVM config and forget about it. |
| 17:17.52 | sadtaco | Er what do I do if I lock myself out of root? I created a user, installed sudo, then I disabled root login. Then I realized I don't have the user in the sudoers file. Do I have to reinstall? |
| 17:17.59 | sadtaco | I can't log in as root now and the only user can't sudo. |
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| 17:18.16 | socomm | petn-randall: funny thing is that I upgraded two identical VMs one works, other doesn't |
| 17:18.30 | Nach0z | might boot in the emergency mode thing, sadtaco |
| 17:18.33 | Nach0z | don't remember the nae |
| 17:18.37 | Nach0z | s'in the bootup options in grub |
| 17:18.43 | sadtaco | and "su root" asks for a password when I didn't have one set as far as I know. I used the rightscale debian amazon AMI |
| 17:18.50 | socomm | sadtaco: boot into single user mode and reset your root password |
| 17:19.20 | sadtaco | can I do that from ssh? This is an amazon EC2. |
| 17:19.24 | socomm | sadtaco: recovery mode |
| 17:19.43 | socomm | sadtaco: no, you need physical console in order to choose boot option |
| 17:19.55 | petn-randall | socomm: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=586143 <- might help you dig into your problem. |
| 17:20.07 | socomm | sadtaco: once you're in recovery mode you can try kicking off ssh, but I'd just reset password and boot into multi-user mode |
| 17:20.10 | sadtaco | Okay so my only option is to start over? |
| 17:20.13 | sadtaco | I don't have... |
| 17:20.20 | sadtaco | physical access. It's amazon. |
| 17:20.34 | socomm | petn-randall: yeah, I saw that, thank you |
| 17:20.58 | socomm | sadtaco: not familiar with amazon, don't know what to tell you |
| 17:21.01 | petn-randall | socomm: looks like a new 'grub-install /dev/sdX' will fix it. |
| 17:21.41 | petn-randall | sadtaco: you can always boot a different VM, attach the EBS storage to this VM, chroot into the filesystem and change the password. |
| 17:21.49 | petn-randall | sadtaco: that's the only solution I can think of. |
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| 17:23.17 | petn-randall | sadtaco: nothings lost, it's just work to get it fixed :) |
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| 17:23.44 | sadtaco | It's fine I'll just start over |
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| 17:25.03 | sparr | socomm: thanks |
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| 17:27.07 | dimitry7 | Hi guys, I am logging from Ubuntu to my debian 6 system. But RSA authenticantion wont work: |
| 17:27.08 | dimitry7 | http://pastebin.com/imjWiBEM |
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| 17:28.14 | dimitry7 | I have the pub key in authorized keys on the server side. RSAAuthentication yes ... and... PubkeyAuthentication yes |
| 17:28.27 | dimitry7 | what might be wrong? |
| 17:28.37 | socomm | dimitry7: did you restart ssh after enabling these options? |
| 17:28.50 | socomm | dimitry7: also, how did you copy your public key over to the server? |
| 17:28.54 | dimitry7 | yes, they were already enabled btw |
| 17:29.02 | mutante | dimitry7: check the permissions of authorized_keys file and the .ssh dir |
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| 17:29.04 | socomm | dimitry7: ok |
| 17:29.04 | dimitry7 | doing cat >> |
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| 17:29.23 | mutante | dimitry7: won't let you login if other users have perms on it |
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| 17:29.34 | socomm | dimitry7: check your permissions, also I'd advise using 'ssh-copy-id' |
| 17:29.40 | socomm | instead of doing this manually |
| 17:30.18 | petn-randall | dimitry7: the client side is offering three ssh keys, the server is rejecting them all. |
| 17:30.26 | socomm | dimitry7: your authorized_keys should have permission of 600 and owned by by the user |
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| 17:30.41 | dimitry7 | socomm, ok I will use that coomand. My permissions are Access: (0700/drwx------) |
| 17:30.44 | dimitry7 | for .ssh directory |
| 17:30.57 | petn-randall | dimitry7: what socomm said, and check the /var/log/auth.log on the server. |
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| 17:31.01 | socomm | dimitry7: should be 600, from what I remember |
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| 17:31.47 | dimitry7 | no sorry I have 755 |
| 17:32.27 | socomm | dimitry7: if there are no other keys on the file, remove it, and just use 'ssh-copy-id' - the command will craete file and set proper permissions |
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| 17:33.39 | dimitry7 | log has nothing |
| 17:33.54 | petn-randall | dimitry7: ... then you're not logging into the right machine. |
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| 17:34.32 | dimitry7 | socomm, I am doing what you said, hold on please. |
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| 17:38.56 | socomm | dimitry7: also, ensure you're logging into the right machine, use IP address if necessary |
| 17:39.27 | dimitry7 | it is my e-mail server. 192.168.1.2 |
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| 17:40.22 | socomm | ok |
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| 17:46.02 | dimitry7 | www-data@sistemas:~/.ssh$ ssh-copy-id www-data@192.168.1.2 |
| 17:46.03 | dimitry7 | www-data@192.168.1.2's password: |
| 17:46.21 | dimitry7 | it asks for a password, that user doesnt have a password, that's why i want to use RSA |
| 17:47.26 | dondelelcaro | dimitry7: it's almost certainly not a good idea to ssh into a machine as www-data |
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| 17:48.07 | dondelelcaro | dimitry7: if for no other reason than any process which runs as www-data can potentially write to .ssh and/or read from there, and serve up your private key |
| 17:48.25 | dimitry7 | www-data@sistemas:~/.ssh$ ssh-copy-id tonycolin@192.168.1.2 |
| 17:48.25 | dimitry7 | Now try logging into the machine, with "ssh 'tonycolin@192.168.1.2'", and check in: |
| 17:48.46 | dimitry7 | I made it as another user... but I don't want me to log in, but Apache user. |
| 17:49.06 | dondelelcaro | dimitry7: you should be running ssh as a normal user, and then either using sudo or similar to chown whatever you need to the www-data user. |
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| 17:49.29 | dondelelcaro | dimitry7: or even better, you should have an entirely different user which owns the web content, and the www-data user can only view it |
| 17:49.30 | debianN00b | I am having several issue with debian. My Laptop's Fan just annoying me. It is just noising too much. I have google searched but no helpful guide. I tried fancontrol but i can't control the fan |
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| 17:50.02 | dondelelcaro | debianN00b: you'll have to give more information about what laptop it is, etc. You might also check and see what sensors; or similar from lmsensors outputs. |
| 17:50.05 | jhutchins_wk | debianN00b: Use cpufreq to throttle the processor. |
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| 17:50.44 | jhutchins_wk | debianN00b: A lot of processors default to full speed in Linux; cpufreq lets them respond to load as needed. |
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| 17:51.16 | debianN00b | dondelelcaro, http://paste.debian.net/243448/ |
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| 17:52.04 | debianN00b | jhutchins_wk, I am installing it now |
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| 17:53.00 | debianN00b | jhutchins_wk, Do i need to reboot after installing it? |
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| 17:53.19 | debianN00b | dondelelcaro, Looks normal everything? |
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| 17:54.16 | dimitry7 | dondelelcaro, I want my php script to execute commands on my email server as ww-data user |
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| 17:56.36 | dimitry7 | socomm, ssh-copy-id wont modify authorized keys :S |
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| 17:59.40 | socomm | dimitry7: http://linux.die.net/man/1/ssh-copy-id thats what its designed for |
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| 18:02.10 | debianN00b | Anyone can help me please ? |
| 18:02.37 | debianN00b | It is not overheating, Just noise because spinning in full speed |
| 18:03.07 | ksk | maybe there is support for "performance profiles" in your bios? |
| 18:03.37 | ksk | some computers have that, you can tell him how to use the fan in there (like silent,performance,normal) or sth like that |
| 18:03.44 | dimitry7 | socomm, $ ssh-copy-id -i ~/.ssh/id_rsa.pub tonycolin@192.168.1.2 |
| 18:03.52 | dimitry7 | doesnt modify it either |
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| 18:05.16 | nyuszika7h | hi, is it considered a good practice to install compiled software to an /opt subdirectory if it's more than a few files, and using /etc/profile.d scripts to add it to PATH so that users can use them? |
| 18:05.58 | nyuszika7h | I know, I should create a package. I've tried, and probably reading documentation would help, but I was unable to find out how to use '>=' and such in dependencies when creating the package. |
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| 18:06.40 | nyuszika7h | in any case, I'd probably need to create at least a dummy package and remove the "old" package to avoid issues. |
| 18:06.55 | petn-randall | nyuszika7h: It's best practice to install to /opt, then add binaries to /usr/local/bin and /usr/local/sbin |
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| 18:08.12 | dimitry7 | socomm, any ideas? |
| 18:08.13 | petn-randall | nyuszika7h: easiest way to package your software would be to pull the source package of an existing software, and looking how they did it. |
| 18:08.29 | nyuszika7h | petn-randall: good point |
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| 18:09.13 | petn-randall | nyuszika7h: if you want to deploy it to many (not-techie) users, packaging it would probably even save your time in support. |
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| 18:09.23 | petn-randall | s/your/you |
| 18:09.26 | petn-randall | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:10.14 | nyuszika7h | yep, good point. I have 19 real users including me and the other sysadmin, currently. |
| 18:11.06 | debianN00b | ksk, perhaps my laptop does not have that options unfortunately. Why it can be happened? |
| 18:11.19 | JyZyXEL | after startx, why do i get an xmessage box saying: fbsetbg: Can't find wallpaper /usr/share/images/fluxbox/debian-squared.jpg ? |
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| 18:13.35 | debianN00b | will back after checking the bios |
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| 18:14.02 | zykotick9 | JyZyXEL: fluxbox is trying to set a wallpaper that doesn't exist. check your theme. |
| 18:14.16 | JyZyXEL | that file does exist though |
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| 18:14.36 | zykotick9 | JyZyXEL: does fbsetbg exist? work with that file? |
| 18:14.43 | JyZyXEL | yes |
| 18:15.06 | zykotick9 | ? i got no further suggestions. good luck. |
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| 18:17.04 | abrotman | JyZyXEL: does your user have permissions to all those directories? |
| 18:17.24 | JyZyXEL | i would assume so when the user is root |
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| 18:17.37 | Aknot | How do i install debian with mate? |
| 18:18.00 | zykotick9 | JyZyXEL: you're logging into xorg as root? not brilliant. |
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| 18:18.15 | abrotman | Aknot: MATE isn't in Debian, you're on your own |
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| 18:18.48 | Aknot | abrotman really? |
| 18:18.57 | abrotman | really what? |
| 18:18.59 | JyZyXEL | weird anyways |
| 18:19.22 | JyZyXEL | no clue where the fbsetbg command is even being run from |
| 18:19.23 | Aknot | really not possible to install mate on debian? |
| 18:19.36 | abrotman | Aknot: we don't know, it's not in Debian, and not supported by us .. |
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| 18:20.08 | Aknot | there is 1300 people on this channel, does anyone use mate? |
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| 18:20.18 | abrotman | hopefully not |
| 18:20.29 | abrotman | Aknot: have you even tried google? |
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| 18:20.55 | abrotman | better question .. have you tried Gnome3 |
| 18:21.00 | Aknot | why are u so hostile? |
| 18:21.07 | Aknot | irc is faster than google |
| 18:21.23 | abrotman | theory busted |
| 18:21.31 | Aknot | yes i have tried gnome 3 ,kde, e17, cinnamon, unity and xfce |
| 18:21.51 | abrotman | Aknot: again, ask the MATE people, they would know best |
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| 18:22.51 | Aknot | guess ill just install squeeze and use it while it lasts |
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| 18:23.30 | abrotman | last I checked, Cinnamon was way closer to being in Debian than MATE |
| 18:23.38 | abrotman | well, Cinnamon is already in Debian |
| 18:24.45 | Aknot | in repos you mean? |
| 18:24.48 | abrotman | Aknot: it seems they're starting the process of getting MATE officially in Debian, not sure how long that will actually take |
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| 18:24.54 | abrotman | yes .. Cinnamon is actually in Debian |
| 18:25.11 | abrotman | judd: info cinnamon --release unstable |
| 18:25.12 | judd | Package cinnamon (x11, optional) in sid/i386: Innovative and comfortable desktop. Version: 1.7.2-1; Size: 789.9k; Installed: 3145k; Homepage: http://cinnamon.linuxmint.com; Screenshot: http://screenshots.debian.net/package/cinnamon |
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| 18:25.59 | rww | last I heard, the MATE ITP was stalled because it's a pointless duplication of bitrotting code |
| 18:26.24 | Aknot | i wonder what vanilla cinnamon looks like in debian, same as in mint? |
| 18:26.35 | abrotman | FIIK, haven't used it |
| 18:26.45 | abrotman | Gnome3 looks pretty nice though? :) |
| 18:26.50 | rww | ah, looks like I am Out Of Date, stuff happened since then |
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| 18:26.54 | dimitry7 | how can i use ssh-copy-id if the username I am using to log in does not have a password?? |
| 18:26.58 | Aknot | it looks very nice but its shit for use |
| 18:27.09 | abrotman | rww: right, they've had failed uploads |
| 18:27.14 | penguin1 | fredl: http://serverfault.com/questions/363355/io-wait-causing-so-much-slowdown-ext4-jdb2-at-99-io-during-mysql-commit |
| 18:27.16 | abrotman | Aknot: i actually like it quite a bit more than gnome2 |
| 18:27.22 | Aknot | lol |
| 18:27.29 | rww | dimitry7: do you have some way of logging into the account it? |
| 18:27.32 | Aknot | do u have over 10 extensions? abrotman |
| 18:27.32 | rww | s/ it// |
| 18:27.45 | abrotman | Aknot: i have a few, probably not 10 |
| 18:27.50 | dimitry7 | rww, the account is www-data, is the apache user |
| 18:28.02 | Aknot | theory busted |
| 18:28.04 | Aknot | xD |
| 18:28.09 | dimitry7 | I have no way of loggin with it |
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| 18:28.22 | abrotman | Aknot: i'd have to try it .. but it's been great so far |
| 18:28.37 | abrotman | Aknot: i think i have some pidgin plugins, otherwise, i like gnome3 |
| 18:29.14 | dimitry7 | rww, is it the same if I append the contents with cat >> |
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| 18:29.17 | dimitry7 | ?? |
| 18:29.19 | Aknot | abrotman i hate it because of its overview thing, its totally made for tablets/fingers and not for desktop even if the devs say otherwise |
| 18:29.39 | Aknot | im all for progression but i think gnome 2 is more progressed than gnome 3 |
| 18:29.45 | rww | dimitry7: www-data isn't intended to be logged in to by normal users. that includes via ssh. what are you doing that's causing you to ask how to do this? |
| 18:29.45 | Aknot | for desktop |
| 18:29.59 | AKZen | is away: Busy |
| 18:30.04 | abrotman | Aknot: disagree, but tha'ts your opinion |
| 18:30.11 | abrotman | !tell AKZen about away |
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| 18:30.20 | Guest74401 | problem with fan speed by using nouveau. it works at full speed |
| 18:30.30 | dimitry7 | rww, I need a PHP script (which will run as www-data in apache) to add some email users to the mailing list in my email server |
| 18:30.43 | SYN4PS3 | problem with fan speed by using nouveau. it works at full speed |
| 18:30.43 | petn-randall | Guest74401: powermanagement probably isn't implemented yet for your chipset. |
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| 18:31.03 | freebir | hey |
| 18:31.14 | petn-randall | SYN4PS3: you might have more luck with more recent kernels. |
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| 18:31.17 | abrotman | dimitry7: use something like mailman instead |
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| 18:31.29 | freebir | I've squeeze in here, and I can''t mount my cdrom, there is no cdrom in /dev/... ?? why ? please, help |
| 18:31.58 | john_rambo | How to view messages of last shutdown ? |
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| 18:32.24 | SYN4PS3 | petn-randall: i have installed debian wheezy from weekly snapshot, is'nt it recent enough? |
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| 18:32.38 | abrotman | freebir: is there an sr0 ? |
| 18:32.55 | abrotman | SYN4PS3: try to do a full-upgrade .. see what it installes |
| 18:33.19 | freebir | abrotman, sda yes, sr NO |
| 18:33.20 | petn-randall | SYN4PS3: You didn't say which chipset you have, and I don't know which nvidia chipsets even have powermanagement implemented. |
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| 18:33.33 | freebir | abrotman, sda to sda6 |
| 18:33.56 | petn-randall | SYN4PS3: You might have some luck installing the linux-image-3.8 from experimental, but I can imagine that it's simply not implemented at all. |
| 18:33.58 | abrotman | freebir: sound like your HDD partitions |
| 18:34.13 | SYN4PS3 | petn-randall: i have geforce gts250 graphic card |
| 18:34.15 | dimitry7 | abrotman, no because the script is executed as www-data |
| 18:34.24 | freebir | abrotman, what can that be ? bad cdrom ? |
| 18:34.28 | freebir | it's kind of new, abrotman |
| 18:34.35 | abrotman | dimitry7: you're missing the point .. good luck |
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| 18:34.45 | petn-randall | freebir: No, the device file will be there, CD in the drive or not. |
| 18:34.45 | abrotman | freebir: look through "dmesg | less" for some hints |
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| 18:34.52 | Quest | is there something like hotspot shield or spotflux for linux? |
| 18:34.55 | freebir | yes |
| 18:34.59 | Quest | which is? |
| 18:35.00 | freebir | abrotman, in the drive, |
| 18:35.03 | SYN4PS3 | abrotman: apt-get distupgrade ? |
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| 18:35.16 | Quest | freebir, ? |
| 18:35.20 | dizzylizzy | I'm partitioning right now. I see in a lot of guides and manuals to use ext2 or ext3 for /boot but ext4 for everything else. Is there a particular reason NOT to use ext4 for /boot? |
| 18:35.30 | dimitry7 | abrotman, I cant use what you said |
| 18:35.32 | freebir | Quest, yes ? |
| 18:35.40 | Quest | you said yes after my question |
| 18:35.41 | dimitry7 | why dont you advise other alternative |
| 18:35.59 | zykotick9 | SYN4PS3: fyi, dist-upgrade and full-upgrade are the same thing |
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| 18:36.13 | abrotman | dimitry7: hence "good luck" |
| 18:36.26 | freebir | abrotman, there is no such command: dmesg | less |
| 18:36.34 | abrotman | freebir: is this Debian? |
| 18:36.40 | freebir | Quest, talking to someone else |
| 18:36.43 | freebir | abrotman, yes |
| 18:36.47 | dimitry7 | abrotman, i don't need it, i need people willing to colaborate |
| 18:36.52 | abrotman | Quest: what are those things? |
| 18:37.10 | freebir | dimitry7, relax man, it's all cool |
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| 18:38.02 | freebir | dimitry7, roll your self a big joint, and be happy mannnn |
| 18:38.24 | freebir | abrotman, debian man, |
| 18:38.28 | freebir | squeezy |
| 18:38.35 | reavengrey | with no dmesg and less? :O |
| 18:38.37 | abrotman | freebir: then 'dmesg' exdists |
| 18:38.39 | abrotman | exists |
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| 18:38.47 | freebir | dmesg yes, abrotman |
| 18:38.50 | freebir | no less |
| 18:38.55 | freebir | tail maybe ? |
| 18:38.57 | abrotman | then use more .. jesus |
| 18:39.02 | abrotman | use your head |
| 18:39.23 | Quest | abrotman, a vpn for by passing blocked sites in a country |
| 18:39.38 | freebir | abrotman, talking to me ? |
| 18:39.44 | abrotman | Quest: plenty of VPN software in Debian |
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| 18:39.54 | reavengrey | kim jong will not be happy to know you are evading his censorship |
| 18:39.58 | freebir | abrotman, no messages from thecd |
| 18:40.08 | Quest | abrotman, like? i need a service already made |
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| 18:40.52 | canolucas | hi. i'm on debian squeeze trying to configure horde to work with kolab2. everything works fine in kolab, i can login, create users, manage groups, and i can even access to the horde web client as administrator, but when i try to configure horde and login with a user, i get LOGIN FAILED. i read the wiki, where it says i need to edit the hosts, and i did that, but i still get the same error. what could be the cause of the issue? |
| 18:41.09 | abrotman | guess he didn't care enough .. |
| 18:41.48 | freebir | you guys which device should I mount to have my cdrom working ?? there is no /dev/cdrom, sr... which is the correct device to mount, the cdrom is not broken, and bios sees the cdrom normally |
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| 18:43.06 | john_rambo | The bluetooth icon is not appearing |
| 18:43.07 | zykotick9 | freebir: do you have a /dev/sr0 ? /dev/cdrom is typically just a link /dev/cdrom -> sr0 |
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| 18:43.35 | freebir | zykotick9, no sr's at all man |
| 18:43.52 | reavengrey | Does the kernel know the drive exists? |
| 18:43.54 | freebir | that's the problem |
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| 18:44.08 | freebir | reavengrey, how can I check that ? |
| 18:44.13 | freebir | dmesg | grep cdrom ? |
| 18:44.21 | reavengrey | I guess that can work |
| 18:44.28 | reavengrey | isn't an expert |
| 18:44.30 | freebir | reavengrey, shows nothing |
| 18:44.56 | reavengrey | When you go into "places -> Computer", does a CD drive show up? |
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| 18:46.54 | reavengrey | If the DE is able to mount it for you, insert a CD, and then run "mount" |
| 18:46.59 | reavengrey | to see how it mounts it |
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| 18:47.07 | freebir | no |
| 18:47.14 | freebir | not mounted, thats my pro blem, reavengrey |
| 18:47.18 | freebir | I want to mount it |
| 18:48.20 | zykotick9 | freebir: it seems your issues goes beyond mounting... seems your cdrom devices isn't being detected by the kernel and/or udev correctly? |
| 18:48.34 | abrotman | oh i know .. look in dmesg |
| 18:48.47 | freebir | abrotman, ?? |
| 18:49.04 | freebir | zykotick9, what should I do ? |
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| 18:49.22 | zykotick9 | freebir: ? wish i knew. good luck! |
| 18:49.34 | freebir | looool |
| 18:49.46 | freebir | shitt |
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| 18:59.20 | NeV3rKilL | hello |
| 18:59.57 | NeV3rKilL | can I merge two partitions in different harddrives without raid? |
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| 19:00.24 | NeV3rKilL | somethign like, with first partitions is full, jump to second partitions and keep writing |
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| 19:01.14 | anew | hey guys any way to automatically restart a perl script ? |
| 19:01.33 | crowonawire | NeV3rKill, I think you can do that with LVM, but I've never tried it. |
| 19:01.48 | crowonawire | Might be a good place to start researching |
| 19:02.47 | sparr | NeV3rKilL: you could use LVM to do that |
| 19:02.58 | NeV3rKilL | ok, thanks, i'd take a look |
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| 19:03.27 | abrotman | !unionfs |
| 19:03.28 | dpkg | [unionfs] A stackable "unification filesystem" combines several directories to provide a merged single directory. Used in Live CD / diskless systems, where the read-only root directory is joined with a writable tmpfs filesystem. For a kernel-space implementation, ask me about <aufs>. For user-space implementations, ask me about <unionfs-fuse>, <funionfs>. "Unionfs for Linux" was removed from Debian post-Etch to resolve bug #515958. |
| 19:03.42 | canolucas | hi. i'm on debian squeeze trying to configure horde to work with kolab2. everything works fine in kolab, i can login, create users, manage groups, and i can even access to the horde web client as administrator, but when i try to configure horde and login with a user, i get LOGIN FAILED. i read the wiki, where it says i need to edit the hosts, and i did that, but i still get the same error. what could be the cause of the issue? |
| 19:04.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | anew, it's not clear what you want to ask from your question |
| 19:04.46 | sparr | anew: describe how you manually restart it, and when you want that process to happen automatically |
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| 19:06.40 | NeV3rKilL | !union-fuse |
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| 19:06.56 | NeV3rKilL | :'( |
| 19:07.06 | anew | what are the /log/ directory and /perl/ directory in debian ? |
| 19:07.23 | anew | well got the log one i think |
| 19:07.28 | anew | but what is the perl one ? |
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| 19:08.30 | anew | wait i cant create /var/log/mylog.log ? |
| 19:08.36 | anew | i get an error permission denied everytime |
| 19:09.19 | anew | oh had to do it s root |
| 19:09.20 | tapout | strange, i have 2 machines that are running 6.0.7 both, but one has only cubic and reno available, and the other has... htcp cubic reno, why would htcp be missing on the same install of debian? |
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| 19:13.59 | abrotman | anew: not something we created |
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| 19:14.25 | dimitry7 | freebir, roll it yourself |
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| 19:15.01 | petn-randall | anew: What perl script is that *specifically* you're talking about? *Perl* usually doesn't "log" anything. |
| 19:15.37 | petn-randall | anew: running random scripts as root are a good way to kill your system. |
| 19:17.00 | mtn | tapout: compare the source.list in each |
| 19:17.49 | anew | i got it... petn-randall what do you mean running at root will kill mysystem |
| 19:18.00 | anew | i had to run at root to write to my log file, it wouldnt let me access /log any other way |
| 19:18.05 | anew | let me make a log file in another dir then |
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| 19:22.03 | petn-randall | anew: I didn't say running as root per se will kill your system. I said running random scripts, without you fully understanding them are a sure way to do. |
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| 19:22.22 | petn-randall | anew: Does that script need root? Why can't it just log to some other directory? |
| 19:22.56 | petn-randall | anew: Remember that root is a user with limitless power on your system, do you really want to give that power to that script? |
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| 19:24.11 | petn-randall | anew: as a general rule, you want to run every program on your system with the lowest privileges possible. |
| 19:24.30 | SYN4PS3 | i have full-upgrade ed, but the fan speed with use of nouveau didnt' change. |
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| 19:27.17 | snooop | hello everyone |
| 19:28.19 | ksuhku | grüss gott |
| 19:28.33 | snooop | ive just created an linux live img for an usb key, its persistent and persistency is working as i can see there is just one flaw... i cant edit anything in the folder /lib/live/mount/medium |
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| 19:28.45 | snooop | there my syslinux.cfg is located but well editing is impossible |
| 19:28.48 | snooop | any ideas ? |
| 19:29.05 | somiaj | snooop: why can't you edit things in that directory? Have you checked the permissions? |
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| 19:29.19 | somiaj | snooop: i.e. is it a permission issue, or the fact that the medium is mounted read-only? |
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| 19:29.21 | snooop | sure im using sudo and write permissions are 755 |
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| 19:29.37 | somiaj | most likely it is a read-only file system, this is the actual mount of the live image? |
| 19:29.57 | snooop | oh well youre right |
| 19:30.08 | snooop | somiaj the medium is ro mounted |
| 19:30.16 | somiaj | if it is the live image, it might have to be completely regenerated to get to write to it |
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| 19:30.31 | somiaj | i.e. it isn't designed to be writeable |
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| 19:30.42 | snooop | well thats bad :( |
| 19:31.08 | snooop | i just want to edit the timeout ... so well i will create another image with the timout flag set |
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| 19:31.11 | snooop | thanks somiaj |
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| 19:31.56 | somiaj | snooop: yea I'm not certain one way or another. But it wouldn't surprise me if that is the case. |
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| 19:35.20 | mitch|grounded | Does the method of using hd-media support loading the ISO off of a ntfs drive? |
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| 19:36.34 | Towzzer | grounded, do you mean reading the file? |
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| 19:36.51 | NeV3rKilL | abrotman: thank you, unionfs worked like a charm |
| 19:37.13 | mitch|grounded | well, I downloaded the iso onto a ntfs partition, so yes, reading the file might help in loading it :P |
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| 19:37.42 | anew | oh petn-randall yeah it's a script i wrote so i know exactly what it does |
| 19:37.59 | anew | but i just created a .log file inside the script folder problem solved |
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| 19:39.37 | mitch|grounded | Towzzer: 15:37 < mitch|grounded> well, I downloaded the iso onto a ntfs partition, so yes, reading the file might help in loading it :P |
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| 19:45.05 | marchitos | hello, i have an EFI laptop. I've already tried to install debian with no success. How do i have to part the drive in order to dual boot win7+debian? |
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| 19:46.18 | mitch|grounded | marchitos: iirc it does it automatically |
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| 19:46.36 | mitch|grounded | brb trying to do the hd-media install method again |
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| 19:46.53 | marchitos | emh? |
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| 19:53.17 | eptalon | heyas |
| 19:53.50 | blastradius | my laptop was working fine wirelessly, now suddenly lost wireless and even plugging into ethernet gets me nothing! |
| 19:53.52 | eptalon | are there any known porblems with mdadm, recently updated? |
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| 19:54.50 | eptalon | I do have a raid5 4 disk array, one disk "dropped out", since then can't start it. Sys in use is sid. |
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| 19:56.48 | blastradius | CAn anyone help my laptop was working fine wirelessly, now suddenly lost wireless and even plugging into ethernet gets me nothing! |
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| 20:02.01 | john_rambo | When I plug in the Blutooth adapter no icon appears in tray |
| 20:02.21 | snooop | somiaj: that worked :) i have now an timeout on my image |
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| 20:03.12 | mitch|grounded | back |
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| 20:04.06 | mitch|grounded | well, still no luck... |
| 20:04.51 | Ir0nman | I have a directory I would like to share |
| 20:04.52 | Ir0nman | with other users of a certain group I |
| 20:04.54 | Ir0nman | also want all files/folders to have a |
| 20:04.56 | Ir0nman | certain chmod what is the best way for me |
| 20:04.58 | Ir0nman | to set it up so that all new |
| 20:05.00 | Ir0nman | files/folders get wit with the proper |
| 20:05.02 | Ir0nman | user:group and chmod |
| 20:05.07 | Ir0nman | sorry :( |
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| 20:08.21 | karlpinc | !tell Ir0nman about upg |
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| 20:09.37 | mitch|grounded | would there be a way I can get the hd-media thingy to look in ntfs partitions for an ISO? |
| 20:09.59 | BluePass | !tell BluePass about upg |
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| 20:10.48 | BluePass | Pimp. |
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| 20:11.30 | mitch|grounded | !tell mitch|grounded about upg |
| 20:11.59 | Ir0nman | BluePass: What about the directory/file permissions even with new files/folders |
| 20:13.00 | lennox` | is away: (automatically dead ) [BX-MsgLog Off] |
| 20:13.00 | lennox` | is idle, automatically dead [bX(l/on p/off)] |
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| 20:13.44 | BluePass | Ir0nman: if you're in the same group and umask is set accordingly all the files should be shareable within that group. |
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| 20:15.00 | Ir0nman | so umask + upg is the way to go |
| 20:15.25 | BluePass | Well it's _one_ way to go. |
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| 20:17.01 | mitch|grounded | well... |
| 20:17.02 | mitch|grounded | http://lists.debian.org/debian-boot/2010/02/msg00850.html |
| 20:17.14 | mitch|grounded | I sorta need that bug fixed... |
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| 20:26.00 | fredl | Anybody know if I can inspect the IPMI LAN config from the Linux prompt? |
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| 20:28.48 | LV-426 | fredl, bmc-config --checkout |
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| 20:29.13 | LV-426 | modprobe for ipmi_si first |
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| 20:30.38 | fredl | whoah lots of output there |
| 20:30.53 | fredl | tnx LV-426 |
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| 20:33.25 | Ir0nman | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:39.24 | anew | how can i createa shortcut on the dekstop ? |
| 20:39.32 | anew | i'm trying to put iceweasel on the desktop i cant see how |
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| 20:40.14 | dizzylizzy | anew: what desktop environment are you using |
| 20:40.23 | anew | pi x desktop |
| 20:40.27 | anew | i'm on raspberry pi |
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| 20:41.27 | peterrooney | wonders when "asking questions the smart way" might become required reading in elementary school |
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| 20:42.09 | g0to | hello |
| 20:42.17 | Towzzer | hi |
| 20:42.19 | anew | was that not the smart way |
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| 20:42.40 | invariant | anew, no |
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| 20:42.41 | g0to | any approach on using rsync with super-user privileges on the remote machine? |
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| 20:42.56 | invariant | anew, the intelligent answer to your question would have assumed you to be using Gnome2. |
| 20:43.08 | anew | how can i create a shortcut on my desktop i am using raspberry pi |
| 20:43.10 | jhutchins_wk | !raspberry | anew |
| 20:43.24 | jhutchins_wk | !tell anew about raspberry |
| 20:43.24 | invariant | anew, when you the provide the information that you are using pi x desktop, it means you didn't play the intelligence game well. |
| 20:43.31 | invariant | then, even |
| 20:43.45 | peterrooney | !based on debian |
| 20:43.46 | dpkg | Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't and cannot know what changes were made by your distribution (compare http://futurist.se/gldt/). #debian only supports Debian; please respect our choice to volunteer here to help Debian users. Support for other distributions is off-topic on #debian, even if your own distro's channel is clueless or non-existent. |
| 20:43.56 | peterrooney | see also, /list #raspbian |
| 20:44.05 | anew | will go ask in raspberyypi |
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| 20:44.18 | dizzylizzy | yay |
| 20:44.21 | dizzylizzy | good luck |
| 20:44.42 | anew | i'm shocked i wasnt born out of the womb knowing debian distros |
| 20:44.44 | anew | like u guys |
| 20:44.46 | anew | it's incredible |
| 20:44.50 | g0to | I'm trying with 'rsync -aAXvn remote_host:/* /home/g0to/backups --exclude={/dev/*,/proc/*,/sys/*,/tmp/*,/run/*,/mnt/*,/media/*,/lost+found}' |
| 20:45.52 | jhutchins_wk | anew: Some are more tactful about it than others, but some of us have been very badly frustrated by people running notdebian trying to get us to help fix things when it wasn't the same at all. |
| 20:46.25 | jhutchins_wk | Mind, you can run debian on a pi. |
| 20:46.45 | peterrooney | anew: much time has been lost, and many systems broken, applying debian advice to non-debian systems |
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| 20:47.02 | prefix | how can I amke sure certain packages aren't upgraded by apt? |
| 20:47.19 | peterrooney | it frustrates you (and makes us look bad) when that happens. |
| 20:47.37 | prefix | ? |
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| 20:47.59 | invariant | !pinning|prefix |
| 20:48.09 | invariant | Or doesn't that work? |
| 20:48.10 | invariant | !pinning |
| 20:48.11 | dpkg | Pinning is a method to choose which version of a package to install when multiple versions are available from <sources.list>. Bugs are explained at http://www.xs4all.nl/~carlo17/howto/debian.html#errata . If you use stable, pinning won't help you from messing up the system, ask me about <backports> instead. http://wiki.debian.org/AptPreferences |
| 20:48.33 | prefix | ok |
| 20:48.40 | prefix | I will have to look inot this later |
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| 20:49.22 | reavengrey | ,v wine-bin |
| 20:49.23 | judd | Package: wine-bin on i386 -- squeeze: 1.0.1-3.1; sid: 1.4.1-4; wheezy: 1.4.1-4 |
| 20:49.35 | fredl | LV-426, I got the IPMI config with bmc-config, editted a few values in it and committed the changed file |
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| 20:51.22 | fredl | LV-426, when I re-run the bmc-config I see that the IP address and the subnet mask have changed. Still I don't seem to be able to ping it |
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| 20:52.01 | fredl | LV-426, is there something I'm overlooking? |
| 20:53.27 | mitch|grounded | how would I get the hd-media installer thingy to look on an ntfs partition for the ISO? |
| 20:54.22 | fredl | LV-426, I changed the IP for the BMC to an address that's not in my own subnet though and added a route to it with route add -net 10.0.20.0/24 dev eth0 |
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| 20:55.45 | LV-426 | fredl, are you using ipmiping ? |
| 20:56.07 | fredl | nope, just regular ping |
| 20:56.34 | fredl | ipmiping also doesn't seem to work |
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| 20:57.12 | LV-426 | ipmi interfaces have different operation modes, dedicated vs. shared, read up on it - gotta go, good luck! |
| 20:57.14 | reavengrey | ,v libwine-bin |
| 20:57.16 | judd | Package: libwine-bin on i386 -- sid: 1.4.1-4; wheezy: 1.4.1-4 |
| 20:57.22 | fredl | ok, thanks |
| 20:57.52 | reavengrey | ,v wine64-bin |
| 20:57.53 | judd | No package named 'wine64-bin' was found in i386. |
| 20:58.09 | reavengrey | ,v wine64-bin --arch=amd64 |
| 20:58.10 | judd | Package: wine64-bin on amd64 -- sid: 1.4.1-4; wheezy: 1.4.1-4 |
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| 21:01.21 | superlinux-hp | hi all. I have to do this once and only once. The ##debian-ar is now registered to be the official help channel of Debian Using the Arabic language. and your welcome! |
| 21:03.10 | mitch|grounded | superlinux-hp: >official |
| 21:03.17 | mitch|grounded | superlinux-hp: >just made |
| 21:03.23 | petn-randall | superlinux-hp: It would be great if you teach dpkg to respond with an arabic message to join #debian-ar. That way if someone speaking only arabic pops by, we can trigger the message that invites the person over :) |
| 21:04.11 | superlinux-hp | petn-randall, yes i never mind |
| 21:04.18 | superlinux-hp | that would be great |
| 21:04.52 | superlinux-hp | petn-randall, you can do arabic character matching |
| 21:05.23 | mitch|grounded | what is the most common arabic word? |
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| 21:05.31 | mitch|grounded | just check if it's in the message |
| 21:05.32 | superlinux-hp | i think i need to have the bot dpkg in arabic |
| 21:05.44 | fredl | 'boom' ? |
| 21:05.49 | petn-randall | Does anyone have bot-fu to teach dpkg to respond to !arabic |
| 21:06.09 | superlinux-hp | mitch|grounded, there is peace as in shalom (سلام) . hi = مرحبا |
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| 21:06.46 | mitch|grounded | well, that messed up my irssi .-. |
| 21:06.55 | Aziroshin | Does anyone know how to get error output on .asoundrc files? |
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| 21:07.13 | petn-randall | superlinux-hp: you'd have to provide the arabic translation of 'Hi there, you can get debian support in arabic at #debian-ar. See you there!' |
| 21:07.16 | petn-randall | !it |
| 21:07.17 | dpkg | Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help. |
| 21:07.18 | Aziroshin | Basicaly, how to get stuff like "unknown symbol at... <X> for .asoundrc |
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| 21:07.41 | petn-randall | ^^ like what dpkg said now. |
| 21:07.44 | superlinux-hp | petn-randall, just copy my next line please as is. |
| 21:07.59 | petn-randall | superlinux-hp: will try, thanks. |
| 21:08.10 | Ir0nman | I have a directory I would like to share with other users of a certain group I also want all files/folders to have a certain chmod what is the best way for me to set it up so that all new files/folders get wit with the proper user:group and permissions |
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| 21:08.51 | baudtack | i need to add a specific setting to the kernel like of my grub config but i have no clue how to do that in grub2. any pointers? |
| 21:09.14 | superlinux-hp | مرحبا! للحصول على الدعم باللغة العربية لتوزيعة دبيان جنو\لينيكس , الرجاء التوجه الى قناة ##debian-ar |
| 21:09.37 | ompaul | ##debian-ar |
| 21:09.44 | superlinux-hp | yes! |
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| 21:10.08 | superlinux-hp | I have also ##debian-arabic and i made it forward to ##debian-ar |
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| 21:10.20 | petn-randall | superlinux-hp: got it, thanks. I'll try to teach the bot. |
| 21:10.27 | superlinux-hp | ok thanks |
| 21:10.42 | mitch|grounded | yay, got the disk drive on this to work :O |
| 21:10.47 | superlinux-hp | petn-randall, can you let the bot join us too? |
| 21:10.48 | ompaul | there is already an arabic |
| 21:11.08 | mitch|grounded | can the debian installer use a pcmcia network card? |
| 21:11.14 | petn-randall | ompaul: is there? |
| 21:11.16 | petn-randall | !ar |
| 21:11.17 | dpkg | from memory, ar is argon or a program to create, modify, and extract from archives (man ar), or in binutils, or argentina, or #debian-ar on irc.oftc.net. |
| 21:11.21 | superlinux-hp | ompaul, i have just took it over |
| 21:11.22 | petn-randall | !arabic |
| 21:11.22 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, arabic is Linux supports the Arabic language. See http://www.arabeyes.org/download/documents/howto/arabic-howto-en/ For help with debian in Arabic, ask in #debian-lb on irc.freenode.net (and be patient! it's a small community) |
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| 21:11.43 | superlinux-hp | or overtook it. it was owned by the staff |
| 21:11.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, we don't need to know about argon here |
| 21:11.49 | fredl | because lb is arabic? |
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| 21:12.25 | ompaul | there are sa and lb and other ones cos there are several ways to get there |
| 21:12.44 | petn-randall | superlinux-hp: hmmm, check #debian-lb, too. |
| 21:12.53 | superlinux-hp | ok |
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| 21:13.13 | petn-randall | Either way, an arabic response on '!arabic' would be great to have for the arabic speaking folks. |
| 21:13.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | dunno... it's been playing heck with my attempts to copy&paste it because of the right-left thing so far |
| 21:13.46 | superlinux-hp | petn-randall, i think i should contact him. i live in lebanon too |
| 21:14.04 | superlinux-hp | i mean the channel owner |
| 21:14.32 | superlinux-hp | !arabic |
| 21:14.32 | dpkg | it has been said that arabic is Linux supports the Arabic language. See http://www.arabeyes.org/download/documents/howto/arabic-howto-en/ For help with debian in Arabic, ask in #debian-lb on irc.freenode.net (and be patient! it's a small community) |
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| 21:14.54 | jhutchins_wk | Interesting. Linux handles that unicode just fine. Putty on Windows not so much. |
| 21:15.06 | superlinux-hp | petn-randall, do you want me to translate the !arabic too? |
| 21:15.20 | itnifl | Where can I ask questions? |
| 21:15.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | itnifl, you just asked one! |
| 21:15.50 | superlinux-hp | ☺ |
| 21:16.19 | superlinux-hp | i use unicode smilies. i encourage you all too to use it |
| 21:16.20 | baudtack | i need to add a config setting to the end of the kernel like of my grub config, but i can't find where it is in the grub settings. halp :-( |
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| 21:17.15 | itnifl | II have Debian Linux box that receives IP from DHCP but can't resolve DNS. The DNS IP addresses that it receives are correct(found in /etc/resolv.conf). They are not on the same subnet. The default gateway is correct, and should route to the dns servers. I have tested with two other clients(Debian and Vista), they receive the same setup and resolve dns fine. I have removed all iptable rules on the Debian box that is not working, tried using a |
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| 21:20.34 | petn-randall | Does anyone know how to create a new factoid with dpkg? |
| 21:20.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | itnifl, tried using...? |
| 21:21.14 | itnifl | ...? |
| 21:21.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | petn-randall, xxx is a new factoid |
| 21:21.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | itnifl, your sentence broke off after "using" |
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| 21:22.01 | itnifl | tried using another network card, tried a cold reboot. Still the same problem. |
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| 21:23.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | itnifl, can you ping the dns server? |
| 21:24.06 | itnifl | The way I see it, there shouldn't be any problem. Maybe I should turn off the computer and refit the network cards or something |
| 21:24.37 | itnifl | no, none of the clients can. my ISP doesn't allow icmp against dns and the gateway |
| 21:24.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | pft |
| 21:25.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | itnifl, try using googles 8.8.8.8 and see if that works |
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| 21:26.11 | itnifl | can't ping it |
| 21:26.29 | petn-randall | superlinux-hp: try !arabic |
| 21:26.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | and from the other boxes? |
| 21:27.04 | superlinux-hp | !arabic |
| 21:27.04 | dpkg | مرحبا! للحصول على الدعم باللغة العربية لتوزيعة دبيان جنولينيكس , الرجاء التوجه الى قناة ##debian-ar |
| 21:27.21 | superlinux-hp | petn-randall, that's fair and fine |
| 21:27.46 | petn-randall | superlinux-hp: cool, glad I could help. |
| 21:27.58 | superlinux-hp | it must be: |
| 21:28.06 | superlinux-hp | دبيان جنو\لينيكس |
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| 21:28.17 | superlinux-hp | that's for debian gnu/linux |
| 21:28.33 | superlinux-hp | just add the slash |
| 21:28.42 | petn-randall | uhm ... |
| 21:29.33 | superlinux-hp | or if there is escaping that should happen just use dash (-) |
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| 21:31.07 | itnifl | the faulty debian box can't ping the one that is working, but the one that is working can ping the faulty one |
| 21:31.27 | petn-randall | superlinux-hp: I think I got it fixed: |
| 21:31.28 | petn-randall | !arabic |
| 21:31.29 | dpkg | مرحبا! للحصول على الدعم باللغة العربية لتوزيعة دبيان جنو\لينيكس , الرجاء التوجه الى قناة ##debian-ar |
| 21:31.45 | superlinux-hp | petn-randall, cool! greate |
| 21:31.51 | petn-randall | superlinux-hp: you're welcome! |
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| 21:32.29 | petn-randall | Now we just need to lure all those arabic debian users onto IRC ;) |
| 21:34.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | itnifl, please keep it here... |
| 21:34.38 | invariant | Language support for anything beyond ASCII was probably a bad idea. |
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| 21:34.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | invariant, that's progress to you |
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| 21:35.35 | invariant | CutMeOwnThroat, if the average user doesn't even know what ASCII is, why would we invent extensions that not even professionals understand? |
| 21:35.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | itnifl, sounds to me, like the "faulty" box cannot connect to anything... it's not just DNS missing, it also cannot ping IPs outside |
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| 21:36.32 | invariant | CutMeOwnThroat, not to mention the part where application security doesn't actually become any easier with all this complexity. |
| 21:36.35 | itnifl | the thing is that it can ping stuff on my local network |
| 21:36.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | invariant, don't need to know how a phone works (or what it IS) to use one :) ... anyway, let's take that to #debian-offtopic |
| 21:37.15 | petn-randall | invariant: probably somewhere there's a japanese guy saying the same about JIS. |
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| 21:39.10 | mitch|grounded | crud... -bash: /dev/cdrom: Read-only file system |
| 21:39.29 | mitch|grounded | Would I be able to make it so I can write to /dev/cdrom in dd? |
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| 21:41.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | itn... |
| 21:42.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | gorn |
| 21:42.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | mitch|grounded, the "ro" in cdrom is for "read only" |
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| 21:43.44 | invariant | How many Debian developers are there? |
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| 21:44.02 | invariant | That would be defined as those people who can change anything anywhere in some project? |
| 21:44.15 | petn-randall | invariant: around 1000, I think? |
| 21:44.15 | invariant | s/some/all |
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| 21:44.37 | mitch|grounded | CutMeOwnThroat: ? |
| 21:44.38 | invariant | petn-randall, so, those are people who can go in and change the ssh package if they wanted? |
| 21:44.42 | mitch|grounded | oh |
| 21:44.43 | mitch|grounded | derp |
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| 21:44.55 | nkuttler | invariant: no |
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| 21:45.16 | invariant | nkuttler, ok, so how many people do have the power to do that? |
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| 21:45.21 | petn-randall | superlinux-hp: dpkg is not allowed to join #debian-ar, you have to talk to the owner of the bot. |
| 21:45.37 | nkuttler | invariant: Debian OpenSSH Maintainers <debian-ssh@lists.debian.org> |
| 21:45.46 | superlinux-hp | petn-randall, ok then |
| 21:46.01 | invariant | nkuttler, and who selects those people? |
| 21:46.10 | invariant | nkuttler, /what group |
| 21:46.43 | chao | Hi, I'm trying to use KGPG but when I encrypt with it, I constantly get the following error: |
| 21:46.54 | chao | The encryption failed with error code 2 |
| 21:46.56 | nkuttler | !tell invariant about newmaint |
| 21:47.03 | invariant | nkuttler, I don't see their names anywhere. |
| 21:47.08 | chao | I have verfied that I can encrypt to the same public key via the gpg command line utility |
| 21:47.16 | nkuttler | invariant: that's the first step.. how to get to maintain openssh specifically, no idea |
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| 21:47.30 | invariant | nkuttler, that's how to become a maintainer. |
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| 21:47.34 | nkuttler | invariant: you can probably find them in the changelog at least |
| 21:47.40 | nkuttler | invariant: i know |
| 21:47.48 | invariant | nkuttler, it seems odd that the identities are not known. |
| 21:47.50 | nkuttler | invariant: which is a requirement to maintain a package.. |
| 21:48.02 | nkuttler | invariant: they certainly are |
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| 21:48.10 | dondelelcaro | invariant: everyone who is a Debian developer can upload a package. |
| 21:48.21 | invariant | nkuttler, (I mean in a publically available format) |
| 21:48.26 | nkuttler | invariant: ask dondelelcaro |
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| 21:48.33 | dondelelcaro | invariant: as far as the people who *actually* uploaded that package, who-uploads openssh-client; will tell you |
| 21:48.42 | dondelelcaro | invariant: or you can look at the changelog or similar |
| 21:48.52 | invariant | dondelelcaro, and if I want a list of everyone who can currently commit? |
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| 21:49.17 | dondelelcaro | invariant: commit to what? |
| 21:49.25 | invariant | dondelelcaro, so, I am thinking of 'who-can-commit openssl => Bob A., Mallory B., Alice C.. |
| 21:49.42 | invariant | dondelelcaro, well, 'upload'. |
| 21:49.52 | dondelelcaro | invariant: any Debian Developer can upload that package. |
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| 21:50.08 | nkuttler | dondelelcaro: but it has to get past ftp and such, doesn't it? |
| 21:50.11 | dondelelcaro | invariant: however, usually only people who are in the Uploaders or Maintainers field will. |
| 21:50.20 | dondelelcaro | nkuttler: sure, but any maintainer can do that. |
| 21:50.23 | invariant | dondelelcaro, ok, so it's basically a kind of social contract? |
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| 21:50.39 | dondelelcaro | invariant: yes, coupled with technological controls which tell people who uploaded what. |
| 21:51.11 | invariant | dondelelcaro, if someone backdoors some binary, people will hunt that person down and do ... to that person :) |
| 21:51.17 | dondelelcaro | invariant: so anyone can figure out who actually uploaded which versions of which package, what the changes were, etc. |
| 21:51.25 | dondelelcaro | invariant: binaries are totally separate things |
| 21:51.35 | dondelelcaro | I'm talking about source packages here |
| 21:51.37 | invariant | dondelelcaro, ok, sorry, the source package. |
| 21:51.44 | invariant | dondelelcaro, the binaries are built automatically? |
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| 21:52.11 | dondelelcaro | invariant: yes, though we currently require maintainers to build a binary and upload it, and that binary is not thrown away. |
| 21:52.39 | invariant | dondelelcaro, I like that somewhat about Github, in that there are pictures with people, such that it is quite unlikely that they will try anything funny. Still, it's better to sandbox everything. |
| 21:53.02 | ompaul | invariant: how many sandboxes does it take? |
| 21:53.14 | dondelelcaro | invariant: well, it's still a matter of trusting some group of people. For example, you have to trust the upstream too. |
| 21:53.27 | edju | sound stutters, whether with audacious, vlc, mplayer or clementine. audacious cli shows "alsa: snd_pcm_recover failed: Input/output error." dunno if that's related or not. I can't find a solution. anyone with a pointer to a solution for the simple-minded? |
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| 21:53.47 | mitch|grounded | hm, even if I do this: |
| 21:53.48 | invariant | ompaul, simple sandboxes would just install the github repo as a different user. |
| 21:53.48 | mitch|grounded | root@mitch:/cdrom# mount /dev/cdrom -o remount,rw |
| 21:53.49 | mitch|grounded | mount: warning: /cdrom seems to be mounted read-only. |
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| 21:53.59 | invariant | ompaul, more advanced ones would be VMs. |
| 21:54.00 | mitch|grounded | my CD drive still mounts read-onl |
| 21:54.02 | mitch|grounded | *only |
| 21:54.05 | mitch|grounded | wth... |
| 21:54.15 | invariant | ompaul, I don't claim to have solved the problem. |
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| 21:54.21 | invariant | ompaul, perhaps you know of better ways? |
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| 21:54.30 | dondelelcaro | mitch|grounded: CDs are read only. |
| 21:54.37 | mitch|grounded | dangit. |
| 21:54.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | I think I said that... half an hour ago? |
| 21:54.53 | dondelelcaro | mitch|grounded: what are you trying to do? |
| 21:55.31 | mitch|grounded | well, that CD used to be for ubuntu, I want to replace it with debian |
| 21:56.05 | dondelelcaro | mitch|grounded: is it a rewriteable cd? or what? |
| 21:56.19 | fredl | it seems jbd2 is slow in writing its journals on this recently installed system of our but I can't figure out the reason why. |
| 21:56.24 | ompaul | invariant: trust is a strange thing, at the end of the day my trust in debian and various open source communities comes from being a various conferences and so on |
| 21:56.27 | markovh | did anyone get an email with Processed (with 1 errors): Fix broken submitters (double encoded) recently? |
| 21:56.44 | dondelelcaro | markovh: yes, I sent them. |
| 21:56.45 | mitch|grounded | dondelelcaro: yep |
| 21:56.59 | markovh | dondelelcaro: i'm not sure what it's trying to say, could you clarify? |
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| 21:57.11 | invariant | ompaul, trust also builds with time, in that I haven't discovered negative effects of me using Debian. |
| 21:57.14 | dondelelcaro | markovh: the submitter of the bugs were wrongly encoded, and now they are correctly encoded. |
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| 21:57.28 | markovh | ah |
| 21:57.41 | invariant | ompaul, but I don't like trust when it can also be done without trust. |
| 21:57.44 | fredl | I've turned on ftrace and watched which processes trigger the journal writing and on this system mysqld continuously kicks off the journal writing, however on a server where jbd2 does not appear to be slow that's similar |
| 21:57.45 | dondelelcaro | markovh: you can basically ignore it totally |
| 21:58.08 | ompaul | invariant: this conversation would be better in #debian-offtopic |
| 21:58.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | mitch|grounded, erase/burn it with e.g. k3b |
| 21:58.23 | ompaul | it's not intrinsic support :) |
| 21:58.26 | invariant | ompaul, yes, thanks for the answers. |
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| 21:59.16 | mitch|grounded | CutMeOwnThroat: does it need a GUI? |
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| 22:00.39 | fredl | on the one system where jbd2 appears slow, hdparm -t /dev/sda shows 153MB/s, on the normal acting system it says 93.77MB/sec |
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| 22:01.10 | fredl | so what could make journalling slow?? |
| 22:01.32 | fredl | this system is driving me nuts. |
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| 22:03.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | mitch|grounded, yes... it's ... kind of a frontend to cdrdao/wodim together with genisoimage |
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| 22:03.43 | mitch|grounded | ah |
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| 22:07.37 | bigDoggy | I have a singleboard running debian http://www.acmesystems.it/DAISY-7 and it has a grp that I am trying to get information off of. I think its a loop0-7 device, but sure. How can i query this device to start firguring out what make it tick? http://pastie.org/6994554 |
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| 22:07.53 | bigDoggy | gps |
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| 22:08.36 | mitch|grounded | gotta go soon |
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| 22:09.40 | andkore | how can I make the 'select file' window show thumbnails? |
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| 22:10.29 | duffduff | how can I install compiz? it doesn't appear to be part of the standard packages, I'm running Debian 7.0 |
| 22:11.42 | bigDoggy | duffduff you would add an expanded repository, not sure how to do it on debian. |
| 22:11.53 | nkuttler | ,v compiz |
| 22:11.54 | judd | Package: compiz on i386 -- squeeze: 0.8.4-4; sid: 0.8.4-5.2; experimental: 0.9.2.1+git20110226.f059fae9-4 |
| 22:12.02 | nkuttler | heh.. |
| 22:12.08 | nkuttler | duffduff: apt-cache search compiz |
| 22:13.05 | somiaj | snooop: glad it worked, (: |
| 22:13.12 | nkuttler | !tell duffduff about compiz |
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| 22:13.21 | duffduff | the only package matching compiz is compiz-fusion-bcop, nkuttler |
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| 22:13.28 | duffduff | I'm not sure that'd qualify for full compiz? |
| 22:13.43 | bigDoggy | anyone know how to query devices on a singleboard with no pci? |
| 22:13.43 | nkuttler | duffduff: check the bot's msg |
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| 22:13.56 | duffduff | just saw it nkuttler |
| 22:14.06 | duffduff | thanks, does this mean there's no way to get compiz in wheezy? |
| 22:14.28 | nkuttler | duffduff: there could be a backport at some point.. who knows |
| 22:14.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | dpkg, dbugs 677864 |
| 22:14.47 | dpkg | #677864:S[src:compiz] compiz 0.8 should not release with wheezy (); Sun, 17 Jun 2012 10:57:02 UTC [] |
| 22:14.53 | nkuttler | duffduff: fwiw, right now backporting from sid should be relatively easy |
| 22:14.58 | nkuttler | s/should/could/ |
| 22:15.29 | somiaj | duffduff: compiz will probabaly never be in wheezy without manual intervention. As of now the sid packages will install (but this may not always be the case). Most likely you will have to make backports on your own for it. |
| 22:15.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | duffduff, read the bug... see if it bothers you and to what extent... right now, wheezy and sid are very close together, so you can just take the one from sid (don't try the same in about half a year's time from now, though!) |
| 22:15.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | somiaj, heh :) |
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| 22:16.54 | duffduff | thanks! |
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| 22:18.02 | duffduff | is there a safe way to install compiz from sid without breaking the system? I can understand the long term maintenance overhead, but I might consider installing sid at some point |
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| 22:18.31 | somiaj | duffduff: the compiz packages are old enough I think you can just add a sid source and apt-get install it. |
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| 22:19.09 | somiaj | duffduff: note this is very dangerous, make sure you do not pull in any core (non compiz libaries) from sid when doing this...Id suggest using packages.debian.org but then you don't get the security and checksums from apt |
| 22:19.47 | duffduff | thanks, that's exactly the kind of advice I was looking for :) |
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| 22:20.34 | somiaj | duffduff: my real advise is get away from compiz...(: |
| 22:20.56 | bigDoggy | which one of these might be a gps? dmesg -> http://pastie.org/6995478 |
| 22:20.59 | duffduff | somiaj: would there be an alternative to the "mousewheel zoom" feature of compiz? I'm near blind %) |
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| 22:21.53 | somiaj | bigDoggy: that is a very strange kernel to be running, what version of debian? Oh I'm looking for something in there..I got sidetracked |
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| 22:22.37 | bigDoggy | somiaj it's a singleboard |
| 22:22.41 | somiaj | bigDoggy: oh you are running squeeze with a backported kernel. Go grab the newest 3.2 backported kernel as that is the one that is supported and has security fixes |
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| 22:23.48 | bigDoggy | somiaj it's a singleboard. switching the kernel could be a really bad thing. |
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| 22:24.04 | bigDoggy | many times it's modified |
| 22:24.31 | somiaj | ahh okay, you are just using a non matained kernel version. But I don't see anything in there that scremed gps to me |
| 22:24.37 | somiaj | but I have little experience with ARM |
| 22:24.48 | bigDoggy | me either |
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| 22:25.33 | somiaj | bigDoggy: you are also a point version behind, we are up to 6.0.7 now, but that is all I noticed...haha |
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| 22:26.07 | bigDoggy | somiaj singleboards are goofy. |
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| 22:26.39 | somiaj | bigDoggy: so you can't easily upgrade even for say a security patch on them? What makes it a singleboard? |
| 22:27.54 | bigDoggy | somiaj that's the entire computer -> http://www.acmesystems.it/DAISY-7 |
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| 22:28.45 | somiaj | bigDoggy: do you think the device will be a usb or pci bus? |
| 22:28.52 | somiaj | bigDoggy: have you looked at lspci or lsusb for the gps? |
| 22:29.03 | bigDoggy | no pci bus |
| 22:30.10 | bigDoggy | lsusb -> Bus 001 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0002 Linux Foundation 2.0 root hub |
| 22:30.11 | somiaj | lshw may help too (Though this may not be installed) -- I don't see anything obvious in demsg about a gps device, but it could be it is not supported by the kernel so it won't show up there and you will have to look at the hardware to see it |
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| 22:30.50 | bigDoggy | somiaj it's got aptitude what package has lshw? |
| 22:30.57 | somiaj | lshw |
| 22:31.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | bigDoggy, actually... it seems in my mobile, the gps is switched off when not in use.. as in gets no power. as such, it might not turn up in dmesg? |
| 22:31.39 | somiaj | Yea I have no clue about such devices, if things aren't on the pci or usb bus, I don't know of many tools. I guess there is still the serial bus |
| 22:32.01 | somiaj | lshw should see all hardware beyond just what is seen by the kernel though. |
| 22:32.08 | bigDoggy | CutMeOwnThroat that's what I am thinking. |
| 22:32.09 | somiaj | well should try, agian I have no clue about such devices |
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| 22:33.08 | bigDoggy | http://pastie.org/6997397 |
| 22:33.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | bigDoggy, but also no idea what it'd look like... what the heck is atmel_mci |
| 22:33.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | bigDoggy, look through list of kernel modules... try to load ones that look suspicious? |
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| 22:34.43 | somiaj | bigDoggy: yea that lshw output (did you run it as root?) is very low. Guess devices are so embeded they aren't showing up in regular places. |
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| 22:37.19 | bigDoggy | somiaj yes, I am root. these boards have only what they absolutly have to have and nothing else. :) |
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| 22:39.17 | wallen | Hello everyone, I am trying to update thunar. I've set up the experimental repository in the apt sources file, I correctly seem to unpack the 1.6 version according to the apt messages but when after it's installed, if I try to run thunar, it still displays the 1.2.3 version. Any help? |
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| 22:41.53 | dizzylizzy | gosh darn it i forgot to back up my .bashrc |
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| 22:43.57 | superlinux-hp | !arabic |
| 22:43.57 | dpkg | مرحبا! للحصول على الدعم باللغة العربية لتوزيعة دبيان جنو\لينيكس , الرجاء التوجه الى قناة ##debian-ar |
| 22:44.19 | hairyraven | !russia |
| 22:44.20 | dpkg | russia is, like, the world's biggest country (Rossiya eto samaya bol'shaya strana v mire) |
| 22:44.32 | hairyraven | !russian |
| 22:44.32 | dpkg | Это английскоговорящий канал, пожалуйста, говорите по-английски или посетите #debian-russian (irc.freenode.net) (Russian speakers please go to #debian-russian) |
| 22:45.02 | hairyraven | !polska |
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| 22:46.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | you can play with the bot in private, doing /msg dpkg russian (for example) |
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| 22:47.18 | hairyraven | CutMeOwnThroat, ok |
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| 22:58.33 | zophy | where can i get the 3.8 kernel deb for wheezy ? |
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| 23:04.24 | dokma | I've got a question when apt-get install mdadm for an email address for notifications. Now the question I have is this email is local only because I have a feel this might be during boot when there is not internet connection. |
| 23:04.39 | dokma | so is this mdadm notification email local only or can it be any email |
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| 23:39.42 | Posterdati | hi |
| 23:40.13 | Posterdati | is there "linux kernel programming manual" for 3.2 kernel, tx |
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| 23:41.56 | Tramp | Posterdati: maybe ##kernel knows? Or they have some hint in their /topic? |
| 23:42.48 | Posterdati | Tramp: tx :) |
| 23:42.54 | Tramp | yw |
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| 23:44.17 | dizzylizzy | Is there a good way to install packages from the non-free repositories without enabling the non-free repositories in my sources.list? I'd like to install (for example) the emacs documentation because I don't consider it non-free... is downloading the .deb from packages.debian.org and using dpkg -i the best way, or is there a better one? |
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| 23:44.59 | hellyeah | in debian apache2.conf is configuration file for apache right there is no httpd.conf |
| 23:45.52 | Towzzer | that is correct sir |
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| 23:49.59 | hellyeah | i dont know why .htaccess doesnt work rewrite_module already loaded |
| 23:51.16 | Towzzer | override? |
| 23:52.22 | Towzzer | " AllowOverride AuthConfig" |
| 23:52.25 | Towzzer | for the directory specification |
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| 23:53.57 | hellyeah | Towzzer: root@debian:/var/www# a2ensite 000-default Site default already enabled |
| 23:54.05 | hellyeah | is it related with that |
| 23:54.19 | Towzzer | where did you put your site configuraiton? |
| 23:54.27 | Towzzer | in apache2.conf or in conf.d/000-default |
| 23:54.51 | hellyeah | actually my web site is in /www |
| 23:55.04 | Towzzer | the configuration for your site |
| 23:55.06 | hellyeah | do i need to put anything to that fiels? |
| 23:55.20 | Towzzer | the .htaccess needs to be in the directory you want to protect |
| 23:55.33 | hellyeah | yeah |
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| 23:55.43 | hellyeah | .htaccess is also in /var/www |
| 23:55.53 | hellyeah | when i upload .htacess to host folder |
| 23:55.55 | Towzzer | pastebin apache2.conf 000-default and .htaccess |
| 23:55.56 | hellyeah | it works fine |
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| 23:56.02 | hellyeah | but in localhost it doesnt work |
| 23:56.04 | hellyeah | a sec |
| 23:56.12 | Towzzer | as quick as possible, I'm heading to bed soon |
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| 23:56.45 | Neytiri | hi i am tying to enable ipv6 on my debian box, it seems to be disabled as i dont even have a v6 loopback address |
| 23:57.05 | hellyeah | Towzzer: http://dpaste.com/1030691/ |
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| 23:58.22 | Towzzer | ok, nothing interesting in there |
| 23:58.26 | Towzzer | show me 000-default |
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