| 00:00.04 | hellyeah | Towzzer: http://dpaste.com/1030694/ |
| 00:00.07 | octocpp | has anyone gotten grub2 to boot a raid device? |
| 00:00.51 | Towzzer | raid 1 , I have |
| 00:01.09 | hellyeah | raid 1? |
| 00:01.17 | Towzzer | change AllowOverride None to AllowOverride AuthConfig |
| 00:01.20 | Towzzer | I think I said that |
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| 00:01.28 | hellyeah | yeah |
| 00:01.40 | Towzzer | so go do it buddy |
| 00:01.45 | Towzzer | and restart apache |
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| 00:02.31 | Towzzer | sed -i 's/AllowOverride None/AllowOverride AuthCofnig/g' /etc/apache2/config.d/000*;service apache2 restart |
| 00:04.07 | Neytiri | hi i am tying to enable ipv6 on my debian box, it seems to be disabled as i dont even have a v6 loopback address, how can i fix this |
| 00:04.43 | hellyeah | it works not but error is weird |
| 00:05.06 | Towzzer | ney -http://wiki.debian.org/DebianIPv6 |
| 00:05.09 | Towzzer | what error hell? |
| 00:05.50 | hellyeah | http://dpaste.com/1030699/ |
| 00:05.54 | hellyeah | here Towzzer |
| 00:06.05 | Towzzer | tail -n 20 /var/log/apache2/error.log |
| 00:06.12 | Towzzer | paste me your .htaccess |
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| 00:07.38 | hellyeah | Towzzer: http://dpaste.com/1030700/ |
| 00:07.43 | Deele | I'm trying to create my own NS server. I have set up on my domain ns.mydomain.com NS to my IP. I have installed debian and webmine, which I use to configure BIND. The question is minimum set of A/NS/other entries I should set on my server, for mydomain.com to work as website and allow apache "catch" all subdomains.mydomain.com |
| 00:08.18 | bigDoggy | is there anything special to know/do about upgrading a kernel on sqeezefs? |
| 00:08.23 | Neytiri | Towzzer, i have seen that already, i dont even have it enabled in the kernal and thats what i am trying to fix |
| 00:08.35 | Towzzer | hellyeah, do this |
| 00:08.41 | hellyeah | sure |
| 00:08.44 | Towzzer | sed -i 's/AllowOverride AuthConfig/AllowOverride All/g' /etc/apache2/config.d/000*;service apache2 restart |
| 00:09.28 | Towzzer | neytiri, modprobe ipv6 |
| 00:09.31 | hellyeah | still same error |
| 00:09.47 | Towzzer | make sure it's override all in the config |
| 00:09.54 | Towzzer | change authconfig to all in the config |
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| 00:10.41 | Neytiri | Towzzer, returned nothing |
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| 00:10.58 | Towzzer | deele- *.domain.com IN A <ip> |
| 00:10.59 | hellyeah | Towzzer: here http://dpaste.com/1030702/ |
| 00:11.08 | Towzzer | sorry, deele- *.domain.com. IN A <ip> |
| 00:11.10 | Neytiri | nvm that jsut enabled it |
| 00:11.28 | Towzzer | hellyeah , change authconfig to all |
| 00:11.37 | Towzzer | what you just pasted does not reflect that change |
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| 00:12.52 | hellyeah | Towzzer: that one http://dpaste.com/1030704/ |
| 00:13.02 | Towzzer | ok, that should work |
| 00:13.09 | Towzzer | restart apache, check log |
| 00:13.18 | hellyeah | yes |
| 00:13.24 | hellyeah | it works fine now |
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| 00:13.48 | Towzzer | have a nice day sir :D |
| 00:14.03 | hellyeah | thanks |
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| 00:15.43 | hellyeah | Towzzer: you are great man |
| 00:15.47 | hellyeah | thanks |
| 00:15.59 | mmnicolas | What do people without desktop environment set their gtk font ? I'm having trouble setting anything else than the default, using the gtk-font setting in ~/.gtkrc-2.0 |
| 00:16.05 | mmnicolas | *How |
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| 00:23.10 | mmnicolas | terminal fonts are georgous but everything else is all pixely even though anti-aliasing is turned off in .Xresources |
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| 00:27.26 | Neytiri | Towzzer, is there a reason i have to run modprobe ipv6 each time i reboot the system? |
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| 00:32.17 | hellyeah | Towzzer: do you know htaccess .D |
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| 00:49.11 | john_rambo | I want to disable ipv6 in squeeze. I found this link http://wiki.debian.org/DebianIPv6#How_to_turn_off_IPv6 But when I do http://paste.ubuntu.com/5635722/ |
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| 00:51.19 | cryosphere | how do I see my current package version |
| 00:51.57 | cjfs | john_rambo, sudo su |
| 00:52.00 | cjfs | then do it ;-) |
| 00:52.58 | john_rambo | Thanks |
| 00:53.03 | LtL | cjfs: why bother with sudo, better to 'su -' |
| 00:53.27 | cjfs | LtL, because I forgot this wasn't #ubuntu but I"ll never admit that |
| 00:53.51 | LtL | cjfs: lol, good answer ;) |
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| 01:03.49 | ni291187 | hi |
| 01:04.17 | LtL | ni291187: welcome, hello |
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| 01:06.58 | ni291187 | my english is basic, not very good |
| 01:07.28 | LtL | ni291187: that will work. |
| 01:08.45 | karlpinc | ni291187: We don't care, so long as we can understand you. If you tell us what language you speak we may be able to direct you to a debian support channel in that language. |
| 01:09.33 | LtL | cryosphere: you may find apt-cache policy <package> a quick way to find version data. |
| 01:10.13 | ni291187 | I use ubuntu like to switch to debian |
| 01:10.33 | homes | why? |
| 01:10.55 | karlpinc | ni291187: What do you need from us? |
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| 01:11.54 | ni291187 | he will be better? or for domestic use is equal |
| 01:12.06 | homes | depends on the user |
| 01:12.18 | homes | i find it much better, though i suspect i'm a minority |
| 01:12.23 | karlpinc | !hard to use |
| 01:12.23 | dpkg | People say Debian is hard to use. This is because Debian emphasizes freedom so you must enable the installation of non-free software, like <flash>. See <overview>. |
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| 01:14.17 | karlpinc | ni291187: If you like you can learn from the dpkg bot. See below: |
| 01:14.22 | karlpinc | !msg the bot |
| 01:14.22 | dpkg | Please have conversations with the bots in a private message as much as possible. Instead of using "!topic" or "!tell <your nick> about <topic>" in the channel, you can just "/msg dpkg topic". See <bot help> and http://wiki.debian.org/IRC/DpkgBot to learn more and browse my factoids on-line at http://ircbots.debian.net/ . If you're helping people, you can check that you have the right factoid before showing it to others. |
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| 01:15.57 | dokma | I need a live Debian iso for 64G usb stick with as much tools on it as possible |
| 01:15.59 | karlpinc | ni291187: I find debian support is much better than ubuntu. And use debian on my desktop. But, I also don't feel the need for fancy things, or the absolute newest stuff. |
| 01:16.06 | dokma | are these isos here the right ones: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.7/i386/iso-dvd/ |
| 01:16.08 | dokma | ?? |
| 01:16.26 | karlpinc | !tell dokma about debian live |
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| 01:19.34 | dokma | karlpinc: these don't even have dd or fdisk on them |
| 01:19.41 | shawnbon206 | what is this? : /cdimage/weekly-builds/amd64/iso-cd/debian-testing-amd64-lxde-cd1.iso ??? is it a replacement for the regular cd1 (out of 8)? or can it stand on its own? |
| 01:19.43 | dokma | or am I missing something obvious |
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| 01:21.58 | karlpinc | dokma: Dunno. You can install things onto the usb stick after booting, and it being a writeable media they should be there for you the next boot. Or you can build your own live system. The debian live people are the ones who make up the images. I don't know what's available. |
| 01:23.14 | karlpinc | shawnbon206: I'd guess it's a version of the wheezy cd1/installer that installs lxde as the default desktop. |
| 01:23.38 | karlpinc | ni291187: You want to ask questions of the channel, and not message individuals. |
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| 01:24.08 | ni291187 | sorry |
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| 01:25.00 | ni291187 | karpinic: sorry |
| 01:25.07 | ni291187 | karlpinic performance in virtual machine is good? |
| 01:25.10 | karlpinc | ni291187: Sure. Depends on the virtualization you use. Some are better than others, depends on what you want. kvm or lxc would be my choices. |
| 01:26.01 | shawnbon206 | thanks karlpinc |
| 01:26.36 | shawnbon206 | any sense in using kfbsd if you dont need jails or zfs? |
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| 01:27.16 | karlpinc | shawnbon206: Maybe if you want pf. |
| 01:27.38 | karlpinc | shawnbon206: Although I've no clue if pf is available. |
| 01:28.37 | ni291187 | karlpinic: My host is windows, I'm using virtualbox ubuntu but the performance is not liked |
| 01:29.53 | dokma | I'm migrating from system on /dev/sda to system on /dev/md0 with /dev/sda /dev/sdc and lvm on it |
| 01:30.04 | karlpinc | ni291187: I would not expect there to be a significant difference between ubuntu and debian in virtualbox performance. There may be knobs to turn that would help things, a lot, but I don't know what they are. (If you were running debian you could ask here. :-) |
| 01:30.12 | dokma | I've created the raid array on sdc and an lvm volume with ext4 on it |
| 01:30.42 | dokma | now I need to reboot from stick and copy from sda to the lvm volume |
| 01:30.51 | dokma | should I do that with rsync or cp or what? |
| 01:31.03 | karlpinc | dokma: The easy way is to add the raid array as a pv to the original volue group, disable allocation on the old pv, and do a pvmove to migrate everything. |
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| 01:31.35 | dokma | karlpinc: there was no original volume group |
| 01:31.36 | karlpinc | dokma: Then you just need to deal with /boot and installing the bootloader, if you want to remove the old disk. |
| 01:31.47 | dokma | I'm migrating from a partition to a raid1 + lvm |
| 01:32.03 | karlpinc | dokma: Ah. I'd use rsync. It has too many options, but.... |
| 01:32.19 | dokma | yeah, that's what I'm wondering |
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| 01:32.30 | dokma | what options do I need and will I miss something |
| 01:32.40 | karlpinc | dokma: rsync -aH, then figure out the rsync way to specifiy the paths. I always froget. |
| 01:32.53 | karlpinc | dokma: perhaps -S too. |
| 01:33.02 | dokma | ok man thanks! |
| 01:33.07 | dokma | going to bed |
| 01:33.10 | dokma | enjoy! |
| 01:33.33 | dokma | waste 8 hours to lying in bed and do nothing |
| 01:33.39 | dokma | what a waste |
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| 01:34.19 | karlpinc | dokma: Don't forget to _not_ copy /proc and the like! |
| 01:34.46 | RigidWig | tar: This does not look like a tar archive when "tar -xjvf" a bz2 file...? |
| 01:35.02 | karlpinc | RigidWig: Use "file" to find out what it is. |
| 01:35.25 | RigidWig | bzip2 compressed data, block si |
| 01:35.25 | RigidWig | ze = 900k |
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| 01:36.18 | karlpinc | RigidWig: Should work. You might want to <paste> the whole command /error/etc so we can see. |
| 01:37.19 | karlpinc | RigidWig: Although, that just means it's bzip2 compressed. Just _what_ is compressed you won't know until you uncompress. bunzip2 -c myfile | file -s - |
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| 01:38.47 | RigidWig | /dev/stdin: unified diff output, ASCII text |
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| 01:39.21 | karlpinc | RigidWig: Well then, that's what is compressed. bunzip2 -c myfile | less and you can look at the text. |
| 01:39.37 | karlpinc | RigidWig: What are you trying to do? |
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| 01:40.20 | karlpinc | RigidWig: You seem to have a comprssed patch. |
| 01:41.03 | karlpinc | RigidWig: (man patch) |
| 01:41.06 | RigidWig | karlpinc, tried to tar in cygwin didn't work, so I tried in debian, but still didn't work |
| 01:41.14 | RigidWig | karlpinc just trying to get this going http://fungi.yuggoth.org/vsp4s/ |
| 01:41.30 | RigidWig | the first file there (wrp_veritcal_split.....bz2) |
| 01:42.36 | karlpinc | RigidWig: You shouldn't need that patch. The debian stable version of screen has that feature. |
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| 01:43.08 | karlpinc | RigidWig: (man screen, then "/ vertical") |
| 01:43.17 | RigidWig | karlpinc I was trying to make it work in cygwin, when it wouldn't tar, I tried debian to see if cygwin was failing the tar, but it wouldn't tar on debian either. |
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| 01:43.49 | karlpinc | RigidWig: Ah. If it's not debian related, then see me in #cygwin. |
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| 01:46.35 | ksx4system | I've added a script to /etc/init.d by hand, how do I make it start at boot? |
| 01:47.22 | somiaj | ksx4system: does it have correct LSB headers? |
| 01:47.41 | ksx4system | somiaj: yup, it's working script I've copied from my another server |
| 01:47.42 | somiaj | ksx4system: man update-rc.d, but if it has correct headers, 'update-rc.d script_name default' or defaults |
| 01:47.53 | Neytiri | anyone know how i can permintally ENABLE ipv6, every time i reboot i have to run modprobe ipv6 |
| 01:48.56 | ksx4system | somiaj: "defaults", thanks :) |
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| 01:49.46 | ksx4system | Neytiri: add "ipv6" line to /etc/modules and reboot |
| 01:49.55 | ksx4system | at reboot ipv6 should be autoloaded |
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| 01:55.27 | shawnbon206 | lalalala |
| 01:55.50 | shawnbon206 | debian is so much easier to use than anything else out there |
| 01:55.57 | shawnbon206 | from the linux/unix world |
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| 01:56.47 | somiaj | shawnbon206: then you have found the right place |
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| 02:07.21 | Neytiri | ty ksx4system |
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| 02:12.59 | acidchild | Hello, I get the following error after upgrading from squeeze to wheezy E: Couldn't configure pre-depend xml-core for docbook-xml, probably a dependency cycle. |
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| 02:13.18 | acidchild | 'apt-get dist-upgrade' being the command, how do i resolve this? |
| 02:15.07 | acu | something weird is happening - I have a wheezy server running kvm and virt-manager - I have a couple of machines on it - the VMs are debian wheezy, I have configured each virtual machine with two NICs each one going through a bridge either to LAN or WAN - however through the wan, I somehow cannot connect through ssh to the virtual machines - any hint ? |
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| 02:15.31 | shawnbon206 | is the print server required for printing stuff? |
| 02:15.41 | shawnbon206 | like to a wifi printer for example? |
| 02:15.43 | acidchild | cups is. |
| 02:15.49 | acu | yes to my knowledge |
| 02:15.52 | acu | !cups |
| 02:15.52 | dpkg | CUPS (formerly Common Unix Printing System) provides a portable printing layer for Unix-based operating systems and supports the Internet Printing Protocol. To install, ask me about <cups setup>. See also <debug cups>. http://cups.org/articles.php?L+TFAQ http://www.cups.org/ ##cups on irc.freenode.net. |
| 02:16.06 | acidchild | maybe apt-get upgrade -f will work :-) *fingers crossed* |
| 02:16.09 | acu | acidchild what was your question ? |
| 02:16.14 | shawnbon206 | i am at the software slection screen |
| 02:16.20 | shawnbon206 | during install |
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| 02:16.33 | acu | yes, let the printserver on |
| 02:16.35 | acidchild | do it afterwards shawnbon206. |
| 02:16.36 | acu | ssh |
| 02:16.39 | acidchild | -shrugs- |
| 02:17.08 | shawnbon206 | ssh is my number one i use that more than x11 hehe |
| 02:17.15 | acidchild | oh, acu i just upgraded from squeeze to wheezy and apt is complaining about some dependency cycle things :-) |
| 02:17.20 | acu | does not matter, cups is needed if you want to print - I would not add anthing more than ssh and print - others should be done normally |
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| 02:17.53 | acidchild | acu: your question is a little vague. have you enabled ipforwarding? |
| 02:18.28 | acu | well there are some other techniques - commands to be added for even a cleaner upgrade - but in my experience there are always loose ends etc - if you could - I would install wheezy from scratch |
| 02:18.56 | acidchild | haha, no, i think i will find a resolution. I have never seen a 'dependency cycle' issue before. :) |
| 02:19.17 | acu | it maybe, I try to spare my neurons and emotions if possible :) |
| 02:19.34 | acidchild | i like to retain my configuration and setup :-) |
| 02:19.43 | acidchild | anyways, do you have ipforwarding enabled? |
| 02:19.53 | acidchild | ipforwarding is require for any packet to go between any interface. |
| 02:20.05 | shawnbon206 | i just tried to compile irssi on freebsd and it depended on everything under the sun. took almost as long as compiling wine for the first time |
| 02:20.14 | acu | I forgot more elaborate commands - but it maybe that there are some applications requiring some libraries itc |
| 02:20.37 | acu | ok, ipforwarding enabled in virtual machine or in host ? |
| 02:20.37 | acidchild | apt-get upgrade appears to be working. |
| 02:20.42 | acidchild | on the host. |
| 02:21.12 | acidchild | 'unpacking tar' always makes me giggle. |
| 02:21.30 | acidchild | it's like the; what came first, the chicken or the egg? |
| 02:21.31 | shawnbon206 | why |
| 02:21.43 | acu | it is something weird, I have some old VMs (squeeze with public static IPs) and those work, the host has two NICs each configured as bridge br0 and br1 |
| 02:21.54 | shawnbon206 | is that a drug reference? |
| 02:21.57 | acu | one goes to LAN one to Wan |
| 02:22.06 | acidchild | shawnbon206: no. |
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| 02:22.11 | somiaj | acidchild: did you read /msg dpkg squeeze->wheezy? |
| 02:22.20 | acidchild | msg dpkg squeeze->wheezy |
| 02:22.39 | somiaj | forgot the slash |
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| 02:22.49 | shawnbon206 | acidchild: what csn i say, your name is acidchild, and i was thinking of black tar |
| 02:23.07 | acidchild | somiaj: there isn't a whole lot of information in there :-) |
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| 02:23.39 | acidchild | like i said above, i believe i have resolved the issue. |
| 02:24.08 | acidchild | all the packages are floating down stream at 2MB/s! =) oh i love 2013's residential connections for 35$/month! |
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| 02:24.28 | boldfilter | Trying to get wheezy to boot on a usb stick |
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| 02:24.43 | boldfilter | Not working when copied iso to the usb |
| 02:24.47 | acidchild | Hows' that going for you? ;-) |
| 02:24.50 | acu | acidchild: the host has one NIC connected straight to WAN (through a bridge) - so the br0 of the host is directing trafic to the NIC straight to internet |
| 02:24.51 | shawnbon206 | ew 2mbit is too slow |
| 02:25.00 | boldfilter | no good |
| 02:25.01 | shawnbon206 | my upload is 5mbit |
| 02:25.12 | boldfilter | Any ideas? |
| 02:25.25 | acidchild | someone has their bits and bytes mixed up! |
| 02:25.33 | acu | boldfilter what do you want to install wheezy amd64 ? |
| 02:25.36 | acidchild | boldfilter: does it work at all? |
| 02:25.44 | shawnbon206 | acidchild: youre supposed to be using bits when talking about data speeds |
| 02:25.47 | boldfilter | yes amd54 |
| 02:25.54 | acidchild | shawnbon206: "supposed" ? |
| 02:26.15 | boldfilter | It dosnt do anything DVD and CD image Ive tried |
| 02:26.16 | acidchild | i don't talk about ml's when commenting on the capacity of the ocean. |
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| 02:26.47 | acu | then you need to download the netinstall iso for wheezy - and than you give a command something like this (not sure exactly) ---- cat amd.iso > /dev/sdb (or whatever is your usb) that is all |
| 02:27.02 | acidchild | utilize 'dd' not a dead cat. |
| 02:27.21 | shawnbon206 | acidchild: so you mean 16Mb. all the ISP's use multiples of bit, and so does ethernet speeds |
| 02:27.31 | shawnbon206 | "gigabit ethernet" |
| 02:27.32 | boldfilter | Ive been using dd if=debian.iso of=/dev/sdc bs=4MD |
| 02:27.45 | acidchild | shawnbon206: no i mean 2MB/s |
| 02:27.58 | boldfilter | ok |
| 02:28.15 | acidchild | boldfilter: there are plenty of tutorials on the internet on how to do boot debian off a USB flash drive. google one up and follow it, it's not a painful process. |
| 02:28.46 | acu | boldfilter: I do not think it will work - not sure because you need to have usb stick bootable - I think cat is the easier one |
| 02:29.05 | acidchild | please use dd and not cat. |
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| 02:29.14 | acu | use whatever works |
| 02:29.24 | acu | it makes no difference |
| 02:29.27 | |thunder | dd ftw |
| 02:30.03 | octocpp | anyone know how to stop raid devices from comming up as md125 md126 md127, when the names are :0 :1 :2 ? update=super-minor does not work with metadata 1.2 |
| 02:30.13 | acidchild | acu: there are, i do not know them, or why. data structures are not my forte |
| 02:30.15 | octocpp | seems the new ver of mdadm is messed up? |
| 02:30.19 | acu | I use dd to clone entire machines, however I was never able to make a usb bootable and working to install wheezy - with cat it worked - strangely without any sofistication |
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| 02:31.08 | cheasee | hi |
| 02:31.13 | acidchild | acu: anyways, have you enabled ipforwarding? |
| 02:31.30 | acidchild | cheasee, do you have any cheese sir? |
| 02:31.52 | cheasee | acidchild: i guess you meant acid? |
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| 02:32.21 | acidchild | no |
| 02:32.42 | cheasee | im trying to get a Marvell 88SE9128 PCIe SATA 6 Gb/s RAID controller to work with kernel 3.2.0-4-rt-amd64 (debian/testing) but for some reason i dont see the disk. as im unsure if proper modules are loaded, how do i find out what modules are needed? |
| 02:33.04 | cheasee | or how do i find out which module supports the 88SE9128 chipset? |
| 02:33.33 | boldfilter | Using cat |
| 02:33.38 | cheasee | with? |
| 02:34.02 | cheasee | or on what file/dir ? |
| 02:34.36 | acu | OK, let me see - I do not remember - so if I do cat /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward and I get a 0 means is not on ? |
| 02:34.51 | cheasee | acu: correct |
| 02:34.57 | acidchild | indeed. |
| 02:35.15 | acidchild | sysctl -a |grep forward |grep ip ; sysctl -w $blah=1 |
| 02:35.25 | acidchild | this is how i do it lol. I wonder how many of you do that... |
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| 02:35.50 | cheasee | i just edit sysctl.conf and use sysctl -p |
| 02:36.35 | acu | sorry - actually in my host server - I have two nics if I do cat /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward then I get a 1 |
| 02:37.43 | acidchild | cheasee: yep, but do you ever remember the full sysctl string? ;P |
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| 02:38.28 | cheasee | acu: dont nail me if im wrong, but i think its a global kernel setting, independent of how many nics you got |
| 02:38.42 | acidchild | cheasee: correct. |
| 02:38.53 | acidchild | you can do it on selected nic's or set a 'default' |
| 02:39.12 | cheasee | ah so its possible though? didnt know |
| 02:39.51 | acidchild | yeah, do sysctl -a |forwarding |grep ip and you will see a list including 'default' and 'eth0' etc. |
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| 02:40.16 | acidchild | generally 'default' is okay but in some specific situations it's unwise to use default. |
| 02:40.32 | acidchild | same with arp proxy and VPN's, generally ok for default but sometimes it causes a royal mess! |
| 02:40.34 | acu | I got something like this --- net.ipv4.conf.all.forwarding = 1 ----- et.ipv4.conf.eth0.forwarding = 1 |
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| 02:40.56 | acidchild | acu: looks good :-) |
| 02:41.27 | acidchild | did it fix the issue? |
| 02:41.41 | cheasee | acidchild: ah, never used sysctl -a, interesting |
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| 02:42.14 | acidchild | did you know about 'iptables-save -c' too? shows packet count on each rule, so you can tell which rules are being hit and maybe causing issues. |
| 02:42.27 | cheasee | i guess that solves my problem unnecessarily forwarding the wrong interfaces |
| 02:42.31 | acu | so means that the virtual machines are having some issues - the VMs have two NICs (one goes through br0 one thrugh br1 of the host) - but perhaps I have to look there why I cannot even ping my public IP address _ from the LAN I can ping and access the vm through the internal IP |
| 02:43.09 | acidchild | so it's a forwarding issue :) |
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| 02:43.42 | acidchild | traffic is not going from eth0 [host] -> [br0][host] -> [eth0][guest] |
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| 02:44.20 | acu | yes, I agree with that, however, as I said, I have to debian squeeze vms with one nic only for the WAN and they work fine |
| 02:45.01 | acu | the wheezy ones are a bit screwed - admittedly the wheezy vms have two nics |
| 02:45.17 | acidchild | does the vm work with one nic? |
| 02:45.46 | acu | if I have two NICs - the internal LAN one works, the otherone seems not too |
| 02:46.02 | acu | or is ify |
| 02:46.47 | acidchild | yay, my upgrade is working. |
| 02:46.49 | cheasee | acu: maybe not your problem but worth a check, when i gave a vm two nics the first time i noticed i had to define that on startup which bridge should be used (else default bridge from your hosts default route is used) |
| 02:47.17 | acidchild | indeed, this whole conversation is a little academic without any pastebins. :-) |
| 02:47.20 | cheasee | so first if had to be defined for br0 and second for br1 |
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| 02:48.09 | cheasee | (i didnt define a bridge for both, so br0 was used on both, that was my problem when i thought its a forwarding problem) |
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| 02:48.57 | cheasee | acidchild: do you use ssd disks? |
| 02:49.13 | acidchild | Yes. |
| 02:49.29 | acidchild | "used" my new laptop should be in on monday, WITH AN SSD! |
| 02:49.30 | acidchild | hehe |
| 02:49.35 | acidchild | sup? |
| 02:50.13 | cheasee | maybe one with 6gbps interface? running some sort of linux? |
| 02:50.40 | acidchild | i am not sure what type of drive is in it. |
| 02:50.54 | acidchild | i have to go, playing a game of uno in #uno |
| 02:51.03 | cheasee | hf |
| 02:53.03 | acu | yes - I am doing right now - found somehow weird settings !paste |
| 02:54.03 | acu | !paste |
| 02:54.04 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>. |
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| 02:57.33 | acu | acidchild, are you still here is is the syctl.conf http://paste.debian.net/243559/ |
| 03:01.01 | acu | it is weird because if I do this --sysctl net.ipv4.ip_forward I got this --- net.ipv4.ip_forward = 1 |
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| 03:01.42 | cheasee | "The easiest way to figure out which driver controls a new device is to build all of the different drivers of that type in the kernel source tree as modules, and let the udev startup process match the driver to the device. Once this happens, you should be able to work backwards using the steps just discussed to determine the proper driver needed, and then go back and enable just that driver in the kernel configuration. " |
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| 03:01.51 | cheasee | you're kidding me, right? |
| 03:02.29 | acu | yet in /etc/sysctl.conf the ipv4 forward is commented out |
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| 03:04.03 | acu | cheasee, so where do you tell which NIC in VM should be loaded first ? |
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| 03:05.42 | acu | cheasee: for drivers I have more hands-off approach - if you know that is is non-free-linux driver, if you enable it , it will initialize and search for hardware on its on - but this is primitive I know, but depends how much time you have at hand to solve the raid |
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| 03:08.35 | cheasee | acu: just looked it up, i remembered wrong, i had to define a different vlan for each bridge.. interface1: -net nic,vlan=0,... -net tap,vlan=0... and then interface2 the same with vlan=1 |
| 03:08.56 | acu | <PROTECTED> |
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| 03:10.49 | acu | I see, I asigned each NIC to a specific bridge (eth1 to br1 for eth0 to br0) but I need to look into it again, I have to be physically there, because remotely I could be just disconected |
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| 03:15.00 | cheasee | acu: no ikvm,ipmi or similar? :) |
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| 03:16.38 | acu | cheasee: this is something like LILO from HP or Idrac from Dell ? |
| 03:16.42 | ledestin | Ubuntu is hell incarnated. Tried to install it on a laptop, impossible to google info about problems, #ubuntu guys got me a good canned answer, but after it only made things worse, got me no followup. Now I'm reading Debian Policy and crying. |
| 03:16.45 | acu | to my shame I did not use it |
| 03:17.56 | cheasee | acu: yup |
| 03:18.33 | acu | they are applications or hadware cheasee ? |
| 03:18.54 | cheasee | since this stuff is shipped on nearly every mobo nowadays i tend to try more remotely cause im able to fix via remote-kvm :) |
| 03:19.38 | cheasee | (just those java clients could be other solutions) |
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| 03:20.11 | cheasee | acu: hardware, your mobo has to support it (have the chip on it) |
| 03:20.29 | cheasee | some have addidional small pieces to add on the mobo |
| 03:20.30 | acu | I see, but I can buy it - how much is it |
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| 03:20.44 | cheasee | depends |
| 03:20.49 | acu | I just google it - it seem to go in a usb type of place |
| 03:21.56 | acu | i see, so ikvm is asus and ipmi is micro |
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| 03:23.21 | cheasee | as far as i understood ipmi is an open standard.. which several manufactures support |
| 03:23.44 | cheasee | cause ive got ipmi on intel server mobos as also on asus server mobos with ikvm |
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| 03:25.43 | acu | cheasee: thanks, I can look into it - is $60 on its own - the motherboards are usually it seem more than $300 - anyhow I have to dig - I want open source - I want to use amd if possible (support the underdog) :) |
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| 03:25.53 | acidchild | Wini 3 |
| 03:26.06 | cheasee | underdog? |
| 03:26.21 | acu | amd, of some sort yes |
| 03:26.45 | cheasee | acu: for amd i use asus kgpe-d16 |
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| 03:27.29 | acu | if only intel will be around, we will be screwed - we will end up like in communism, with exact number of shoes as people, with shortage and high price :) |
| 03:28.36 | cheasee | my guess is its going to arm architecture |
| 03:29.08 | acu | you think arm will take over everything ? |
| 03:29.25 | cheasee | do you know parallella? |
| 03:29.34 | acu | no, to my shame |
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| 03:30.08 | cheasee | check out kickstarter.com by times |
| 03:30.28 | cheasee | i found parallela very interesting |
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| 03:31.03 | acu | I do not know I feel so innept that I cannot by know install android - I have a tablet - and everyone tells me that I am locked - because the tablet has plenty of proprietary drivers not available for android - and of course I would not (do not know to install debian) |
| 03:31.38 | acu | I know there are two open architectures for cpu and motherboard - one is in China and one in bulgaria |
| 03:31.47 | acu | weirdely enough :) |
| 03:32.07 | cheasee | xda-developers ;) |
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| 03:36.06 | acu | cheasee: I am reading it now, interesting, I wonder how many FLOPS a 16 core interalogs (AMD) does ? |
| 03:36.09 | ksx4system | how can I force php-fpm to work with lighttpd? it still logs some useless bullshit that there's limit of processes has been reached... but there's no limit, useless crap! |
| 03:38.05 | acu | ksx4system, OK, first it will be great to LEARN how to ask questions: do not swear, be respectful, describe your hardware OS version app version - what do you want to do, what is the readout |
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| 03:42.29 | ksx4system | acu: whatever... I'm using Debian 7/wheezy with latest lighttpd (as always, self compiled from latest 1.4.x git snapshot) and php5-fpm |
| 03:42.47 | ksx4system | acu: php throws this error over and over in its log file http://paste.debian.net/plain/243570 |
| 03:43.27 | acu | cheasee: I just found out two nodes 16 core each AMD can deliver 332.8 GFLOPs - parallela 64 CPU ~ 100 GFLOPS |
| 03:43.49 | ksx4system | acu: (not that I'm not 100% sure you won't/can't help me, it's like this in 9 per 10 cases) |
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| 03:45.25 | acu | there are 1200 people here, if you ask properly the question, you have higher chance to get the answer - I use mostly apache |
| 03:45.57 | Rusty1 | and there are several php channels |
| 03:46.43 | cheasee | acu: how did you find out two nodes 16 cores each 332glops? |
| 03:46.57 | cheasee | btw i would like to measure my systems for comparison |
| 03:47.09 | acu | cheasee, http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=how%20many%20flops%20develops%20a%2016%20core%20amd&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&ved=0CDIQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.amd.com%2Fus%2FDocuments%2F6000_Series_product_brief.pdf&ei=iNJLUcXSIqrBygGKrIHgCQ&usg=AFQjCNH7ZjBo-WfIlW7jC-BP7jps3TuZzg&bvm=bv.44158598,d.aWc |
| 03:47.45 | cheasee | ah, interesting |
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| 03:48.04 | acu | this is latest 6300 series |
| 03:49.17 | acu | I wonder if amd f3500 8 core 4 ghz goes into a server motherboard - I understand it has the same architecture as interalogs amd |
| 03:49.49 | cheasee | now whats the price for the amd solution? compare to parallela's price |
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| 03:50.58 | acu | cheasee: I am preparing some whole genome analysis servers, I would be trhilled to use something which gives me somehow close performance for same money |
| 03:52.06 | acu | and to support the underdog is always a privilege :) |
| 03:52.26 | acu | I do not like monopolies and communism - they both failed :) |
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| 03:56.32 | acu | cheasee: are you still around ? |
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| 03:57.27 | acu | did you use parallela in any form ? can we move to offtopic - I am interested about this |
| 03:59.08 | cheasee | nope, pity i missed the fundraising end date :/ |
| 03:59.13 | cheasee | sure, pm |
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| 04:03.49 | acu | cheasee I am in #debian-offtopic |
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| 04:29.38 | jwilliams_ | i am learning to use getop. the script is http://paste.debian.net/243579/; however, it looks like during parsing, option always falls to -- section (print shows it echoes "dash dash~"). what part goes wrong with the script? |
| 04:29.41 | jwilliams_ | thanks. |
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| 05:25.17 | Alysum | hi - is there a way to force and apt-get upgrade without a single prompt ? |
| 05:25.26 | themill | no |
| 05:25.52 | Alysum | how does landscape work when you upgrade packages from there then ? |
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| 05:26.28 | themill | landscape? |
| 05:26.56 | Alysum | sorry - the canonocal landscape remote server manage,emt |
| 05:27.03 | Alysum | *canonical |
| 05:27.55 | themill | you'd have to ask them that. If you manage your config file changes cleverly, you can avoid being prompted during an upgrade, but that's you being clever, not you holding a gun to apt's head and forcing it to do silly things |
| 05:28.16 | Alysum | hehe fair enough :) |
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| 06:52.31 | Safa_[A_boy] | arabic! |
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| 06:52.53 | Safa_[A_boy] | !arabic |
| 06:52.54 | dpkg | مرحبا! للحصول على الدعم باللغة العربية لتوزيعة دبيان جنو\لينيكس , الرجاء التوجه الى قناة ##debian-ar |
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| 06:56.05 | takis_GR | good morning! i have lxde and need to print to windows shared printer (hp 1020). who can help me?? |
| 06:56.49 | dizzylizzy | I'm not sure if this is the right place to ask, but since reinstalling Debian this morning, in Iceweasel, I no longer have a noscript button between the address bar and home button on the left, one that acts as the sort of menu that enables/disables scripts instead of having an annoying banner cover up part of my web page |
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| 06:57.23 | dizzylizzy | i'll ask in #firefox |
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| 06:59.24 | reavengrey | ,v wine --arch=i386 |
| 06:59.25 | judd | Package: wine on i386 -- squeeze: 1.0.1-3.1; sid: 1.4.1-4; wheezy: 1.4.1-4 |
| 06:59.43 | reavengrey | Hey, I want to do something like, apt-get build-dep wine:i386 |
| 07:00.05 | reavengrey | Specifically to get all the dependency libs for compiling 32 bit wine on a 64 bit system |
| 07:00.18 | reavengrey | I've tried apt-get build-dep wine:i386 |
| 07:00.20 | reavengrey | and |
| 07:00.28 | reavengrey | apt-get build-dep wine32 |
| 07:00.45 | reavengrey | and some other things, but doesn't work |
| 07:01.01 | hellyeah | hey hey hey yp |
| 07:01.08 | dizzylizzy | dpkg --add-architecture might be of some help |
| 07:01.09 | dpkg | dizzylizzy: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox? |
| 07:01.12 | reavengrey | How can I specifically ask for APT to get me the build-deps for the 32 bit version? |
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| 07:01.34 | reavengrey | Well, I've already done --add-architecture i386 |
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| 07:01.41 | reavengrey | and apt-get update'd |
| 07:01.47 | reavengrey | LEmme try again to make doubly sure |
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| 07:02.02 | hellyeah | you just want to get i 386 package |
| 07:02.03 | hellyeah | ? |
| 07:02.12 | reavengrey | yes |
| 07:02.16 | somiaj | reavengrey: -dev libs are not really multiarch, you can only have one or the other |
| 07:02.38 | somiaj | reavengrey: if you want to build a i386 package on an amd64 system for instance, build a i386 chroot and build inside of it |
| 07:02.54 | hellyeah | wine has only package named wine-bini386 |
| 07:02.58 | somiaj | reavengrey: I use debootstrap and create my own, but pbuilder can automate this a bit more and build the package inside the chroot for you |
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| 07:03.13 | somiaj | yea I build my own custom wine packages in a i386 chroot |
| 07:03.19 | reavengrey | somiaj: sadly, I'm not advanced enough to understand any of that |
| 07:03.32 | reavengrey | But I'll look into it now though, thanks :O |
| 07:03.51 | somiaj | there is always time to learn |
| 07:04.53 | takis_GR | how can print from lxde to windows shared printer? |
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| 07:05.41 | reavengrey | Offhand, I'd say samba...? |
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| 07:11.13 | reavengrey | somiaj: How does this sound: mkdir chroot_rootdir; cd chroot_rootdir; ln -s /usr usr; ln -s /bin bin; |
| 07:11.23 | reavengrey | ...actually, no |
| 07:11.25 | reavengrey | nvm |
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| 07:13.55 | homes | could use loopback mounts |
| 07:14.08 | homes | erm, sorry, bind mounts |
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| 07:15.40 | somiaj | reavengrey: man debootstrap |
| 07:16.37 | somiaj | reavengrey: mkdir chroot_rootdir; debootstrap --arch=i386 wheezy chroot_rootdir/ mirror |
| 07:16.53 | hellyeah | is there any advantage using i386 package on amd64 is there any purpose? Just cariousity |
| 07:17.08 | reavengrey | somiaj: ah, that makes more sense |
| 07:17.42 | reavengrey | hellyeah: Well, it's not that |
| 07:17.49 | somiaj | hellyeah: even the debian packages are i386, it is because it is compiled to run 32bit binaries in the first place. |
| 07:18.10 | hellyeah | sure i386 is 32 bit arch right |
| 07:18.28 | reavengrey | I want to build wine from source, and build both the 64 bit and 32 bit components |
| 07:18.55 | reavengrey | But building the 32 bit part requires the 32-bit wine dependencies (32 bit lib -dev pkgs) |
| 07:18.58 | hellyeah | hmm to execute 32 bit windows program and 64 bit windos program? |
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| 07:19.02 | reavengrey | Yes |
| 07:19.10 | hellyeah | hmm |
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| 07:19.20 | hellyeah | why do you want to compile from source? |
| 07:19.32 | reavengrey | Need at least 1.5.22 for this game to work |
| 07:19.43 | reavengrey | And still need to patch the source |
| 07:19.45 | hellyeah | hmm yeah i got it |
| 07:19.48 | reavengrey | nods |
| 07:19.52 | somiaj | reavengrey: you can really only build it against the i386 libs or amd64 libs, you could make two seperate packages. Though if you want them installable side by side it would take some work. |
| 07:19.59 | hellyeah | debian package is litt outdate i guess |
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| 07:20.10 | reavengrey | somiaj: the plan is to build the 32-bit in an out of tree within the chroot |
| 07:20.18 | hellyeah | which game btw |
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| 07:20.37 | somiaj | reavengrey: yea I just use the 32bit myself, builds nice and clean inside the chroot. |
| 07:20.49 | reavengrey | then do the final thing using the --with-wine64= |
| 07:20.55 | reavengrey | Idk how that part will work out |
| 07:21.00 | reavengrey | hellyeah: League of LEgends |
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| 07:36.17 | DebianN00b | VLC player has no sound on wheezy 7? It is not from experimental |
| 07:36.26 | homes | am installing debian on a ultrabook, so EFI and all that |
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| 07:37.12 | homes | i notice sda starts at 2048 blocks, presumably there's no special bootloader confusion i have to worry about? i can just use the entire disk like i normally would? |
| 07:37.21 | DebianN00b | These sort of problem only for KDE or gnome too? |
| 07:37.31 | homes | i notice sda1* |
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| 07:38.49 | homes | not sure if sda1 starts there for alignment reasons or because there's a whole lot of code before sda1. wheezy installer, will i have to worry about ssd alignment or will it automagic all that? :) |
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| 07:46.45 | DebianN00b | anyone can help me please? |
| 07:47.16 | somiaj | DebianN00b: does any thing else of sound? Are you using pulseaudio and vlc configured to use alsa? |
| 07:47.21 | DebianN00b | I can hear other sound like startup sound , application sound |
| 07:48.14 | DebianN00b | I did not install anything extra for sound... I don't if debian doing anything as default |
| 07:50.29 | DebianN00b | My device 00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 6 Series/C200 Series Chipset Family High Definition Audio Controller (rev 05) |
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| 07:50.40 | superlinux-hp | DebianN00b, go to the VLC sound preferences and select the correct output device |
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| 07:51.59 | superlinux-hp | DebianN00b, if you can hear the login screen sound, then you're fine. just tell vlc about the correct device |
| 07:52.20 | superlinux-hp | DebianN00b, there with me? |
| 07:52.27 | DebianN00b | Yeah |
| 07:52.31 | superlinux-hp | cool |
| 07:52.44 | superlinux-hp | DebianN00b, what now? working? |
| 07:52.52 | DebianN00b | I am looking at "output module" |
| 07:53.07 | superlinux-hp | let me see the VLC |
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| 07:54.00 | superlinux-hp | DebianN00b, you debian installation is brand fresh isn't? |
| 07:54.09 | DebianN00b | yes |
| 07:54.25 | superlinux-hp | then you should be on pulseaudio |
| 07:54.36 | superlinux-hp | and not alsa |
| 07:54.43 | DebianN00b | huh? What i have to do now? |
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| 07:55.09 | DebianN00b | you mean the package pulseaudio installed as default? |
| 07:55.10 | superlinux-hp | the output module must be set as such |
| 07:55.43 | superlinux-hp | and see which is the default device |
| 07:56.02 | superlinux-hp | DebianN00b, that what i know |
| 07:56.58 | superlinux-hp | i am still on squeeze with backports. so when 1st installed debian, it was on pulse |
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| 07:57.08 | blubberdiblub | i don't think that all desktop environments pull in pulseaudio by default. gnome probably does |
| 07:57.14 | nell | do ya'll prefer iceweasel over firefox |
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| 07:58.14 | superlinux-hp | nell, if you want me to fan iceweasel you'll have to make it always idenitfy itself as Firefox and not iceweasel |
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| 07:58.48 | rabbieth | just found out that there is a browser iceweasel |
| 07:58.49 | superlinux-hp | some sites makes problems because of their javascripting |
| 07:59.30 | nell | I suppose it's a good backup to have just in case |
| 08:00.17 | DebianN00b | it is just not working |
| 08:01.09 | superlinux-hp | petn-randall, is there a way to take a copy of your dpkg database? |
| 08:01.24 | superlinux-hp | petn-randall, is there a way to take a copy of your dpkg database of auto-replies? |
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| 08:02.57 | nell | wireless drivers are a major chore when it comes to debian |
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| 08:04.44 | takis_GR | how can print from lxde to windows shared printer? |
| 08:07.11 | somiaj | superlinux-hp: what database are you talking about? dpkg --get-selections? |
| 08:07.17 | rabbieth | takis_GR: cups, i guess? |
| 08:07.56 | takis_GR | yes |
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| 08:08.01 | takis_GR | hp1020 |
| 08:08.11 | superlinux-hp | somiaj, LOL! i am talking about the bot. i have took over the ##debian-ar to make it the arabic debian channel |
| 08:08.52 | reavengrey | I lock my sister's MAC address out of the router |
| 08:09.01 | reavengrey | suddenly, I am able to use the internet |
| 08:09.09 | reavengrey | at speeds higher than 10KiBps |
| 08:09.13 | superlinux-hp | LOL! reavengrey funny! |
| 08:09.13 | reavengrey | Is this real life? |
| 08:09.24 | reavengrey | She downloads Kpop videos all day |
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| 08:09.36 | reavengrey | really annoying after a while |
| 08:09.44 | superlinux-hp | reavengrey, don't you use QoS? |
| 08:09.50 | reavengrey | My router is low end |
| 08:09.50 | superlinux-hp | i think you can |
| 08:09.55 | superlinux-hp | i know |
| 08:09.56 | reavengrey | It's not that effective |
| 08:10.07 | superlinux-hp | but it does have it i think |
| 08:10.13 | reavengrey | Yes, it does |
| 08:10.14 | somiaj | superlinux-hp: http://wiki.debian.org/IRC/DpkgBot found a link there to his database |
| 08:10.19 | tralala | the debian wiki speaks of /proc/sys/xen/independent_wallclock, but I don't have /proc/sys/xen in squeeze nor in wheezy. Is there something wrong with my setup? |
| 08:10.25 | reavengrey | And I tried it, but it makes very little difference |
| 08:10.32 | superlinux-hp | somiaj, ok thanks |
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| 08:10.41 | somiaj | superlinux-hp: very bottom of the page. |
| 08:10.56 | superlinux-hp | reavengrey, then the solution is to do the following: learn tcng |
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| 08:11.33 | reavengrey | lemme google that |
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| 08:11.58 | superlinux-hp | reavengrey, this is a kind of network engineering |
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| 08:13.00 | superlinux-hp | reavengrey, you can use that cisco's linksys router with Linux installed on it. there is such distro for it |
| 08:13.53 | superlinux-hp | reavengrey, tcng is already there |
| 08:14.01 | reavengrey | 's router is a low end broadcom |
| 08:15.04 | superlinux-hp | reavengrey, you can if you want, transform the cheap small 100 to 200$ laptops into a router |
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| 08:15.37 | homes | so, anything with a wifi card, can be a wifi router with some number of hosts connecting? |
| 08:15.39 | superlinux-hp | a linux router |
| 08:15.58 | homes | was never really sure if there was something special about wifi router hardware |
| 08:16.10 | reavengrey | That might actually be an idea, but this is not my house |
| 08:16.25 | reavengrey | So, I can't just make random changes to the infrastructure |
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| 08:16.32 | superlinux-hp | homes, if it does not work get a usb wifi that does it |
| 08:17.01 | superlinux-hp | reavengrey, i am just mentioning the possibilities |
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| 08:17.20 | DebianN00b | wow dragon player works |
| 08:17.41 | reavengrey | right, np np |
| 08:17.52 | superlinux-hp | but read about tcng and mainly pppoe + tbf scheduling |
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| 08:28.01 | superlinux-hp | somiaj, what i really want is to let dpkg in ##debian-ar |
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| 08:34.34 | terr_ | I lost one of my servers. The P/S died and I only used it for mail anyways and it holds a few file. So what I am trying to do is move the mail funtions to my main machine which is at 192.168.1.3 I modifed the DNS so it points here. I can ping it. What I am getting from the logs is this: to=<terr@saturn.terralogic.net>, orig_to=<terr@terralogic.net>, relay=saturn.terralogic.net[192.168.1.3]:25, delay=13051, delays=13051/0.45/0.24/0.0 |
| 08:34.34 | terr_ | dsn=5.0.0, status=bounced (host saturn.terralogic.net[192.168.1.3] said: 550 relaying to <terr@saturn.terralogic.net> prohibited by administrator (failed to find host name from IP address) (in reply to RCPT TO command)) |
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| 08:35.27 | terr_ | Now I've never run mail on 192.168.1.3 before but it should work by default. Can someone just send a test email to terr@terralogic.net so I can see if this works? |
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| 08:38.04 | terr_ | brong: I see you just joined us. Will you sedn me a test email? terr@terralogic.net |
| 08:38.30 | brong | er - why? |
| 08:38.55 | terr_ | brong: I reconfigured because the p/s died on my mail machine. |
| 08:39.01 | brong | ahh |
| 08:39.04 | terr_ | I just wnat to know if it works |
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| 08:39.45 | brong | done |
| 08:40.13 | brong | one trick I usually use in such situations is to use a free email provider (I have accounts with a few for testing purposes) and send myself an email from there |
| 08:40.39 | terr_ | brong: I don't have them set up right now. |
| 08:40.44 | brong | sure |
| 08:41.01 | terr_ | I usuaally askmy daughter to send me one but she's sleeping since its 1:40 AM here |
| 08:41.15 | brong | 5F52620520: to=<terr@terralogic.net>, relay=mail.terralogic.net[66.18.218.45]:25, delay=31, delays=0.08/0/31/0.09, dsn=5.0.0, status=bounced (host mail.terralogic.net[66.18.218.45] said: 550 relaying to <terr@terralogic.net> prohibited by administrator (in reply to RCPT TO command)) |
| 08:41.33 | terr_ | now what would cause that? |
| 08:41.50 | brong | (luckily, I'm sysadmin for an email provider... so I have logs) |
| 08:42.12 | brong | various things... what MTA? |
| 08:42.25 | brong | presumably exim if you're a Debian default user |
| 08:42.29 | terr_ | brong you are the man! |
| 08:43.03 | brong | what does YOUR /var/log/mail.log have to say about the situation? |
| 08:43.19 | brong | mail would have come from 66.111.4.2x - not sure what x without reading more logs |
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| 08:43.43 | brong | if it's exim advice specifically, someone else might have a better clue |
| 08:43.57 | brong | I run a pretty heavily customised postfix |
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| 08:44.03 | terr_ | this comes in from outside and hits the firewall which routes mail to 192.168.1.3 I changed it in the nat from 192.68.1.6 |
| 08:44.35 | brong | ooh |
| 08:44.40 | brong | you're in for a world of hurt |
| 08:44.44 | terr_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:44.55 | terr_ | zero bytes |
| 08:45.05 | brong | maybe it's logging elsewhere |
| 08:45.07 | terr_ | ya - I know. |
| 08:45.27 | brong | seriously though - watch out for trusted hosts here - you could turn into an open relay very easily |
| 08:46.10 | terr_ | I should be able to sned ot oneof my hosted domains and i dodn't see it going through. So when I send out it should route right back in. But I dodn't see it in the postfix log on hte mail server |
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| 08:46.44 | terr_ | I do see traffic rounting therough tit tho and I also see the same 550 rejust you saw |
| 08:47.07 | terr_ | I am not sure even how mail in my desktop is handled since I never set it up |
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| 08:48.07 | terr_ | The set up is complicated. I run several domains and a web server and mail server |
| 08:50.16 | terr_ | brong: the outside world should see what looks to be several servers and one is at mail.terralogic.net[66.18.218.45] Thjs is correct and seens to work. The /var/log/mail.log is empty |
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| 08:51.08 | brong | terr_: better check your other logs then - if it's no logging anything, it's pretty broken. There should be something there. Hopefully that's enough to keep you hunting, I have to run. |
| 08:51.09 | terr_ | brong: mail.terralogic.net[66.18.218.45] should translate to 192.168.1.3 now instead of 192.168.1.6 |
| 08:51.10 | brong | waves |
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| 08:51.22 | brong | I'll try another test email before I leave |
| 08:51.24 | terr_ | what deamon would pick up the mail? |
| 08:51.47 | terr_ | brong: thanks anyways. |
| 08:51.52 | brong | you're welcome |
| 08:51.58 | terr_ | what deamon would pick up the mail? |
| 08:52.02 | debianN00b | I got my sound working.... Solved vlc and iceweasel both |
| 08:52.05 | debianN00b | hurray! |
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| 08:52.42 | terr_ | brong: do receive log reports so I know there is some sort of mail system running. |
| 08:52.43 | brong | terr_: default is exim |
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| 08:52.53 | brong | you should have seen the service start up during boot |
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| 08:53.07 | brong | netstat -n -a p | grep :25 might help |
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| 08:53.31 | brong | afraid it bounced again |
| 08:53.36 | brong | bye |
| 08:53.39 | terr_ | 25 is being listend to. |
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| 08:53.53 | terr_ | would exim be doing the bouncing. I see it is running |
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| 09:28.27 | terr_ | how do I change the name of the host? should be the entry in /etc/hosts right? How to I reload it? |
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| 09:30.26 | homes | man hostname |
| 09:31.02 | blubberdiblub | terr_, also edit /etc/hostname |
| 09:31.47 | terr_ | blubberdiblub: /etc/host exists not etc/hostname |
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| 09:32.28 | blubberdiblub | terr_, well, debian creates that file on install. it should exist on normal debian systems |
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| 09:33.09 | terr_ | blubberdiblub: I did find it. I thought I was in /etc/exim!! |
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| 09:41.52 | terr_ | io:/etc# hostname --fqdn |
| 09:41.52 | terr_ | saturn.terralogic.net |
| 09:42.06 | terr_ | blubberdiblub: this appears to be correct |
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| 09:43.33 | needle | PING saturn.terralogic.net (192.168.1.3) 56(84) bytes of data. it returns even a valid RFC1918 IP address |
| 09:44.00 | terr_ | PING saturn.terralogic.net (192.168.1.3): 56 data bytes |
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| 09:44.09 | terr_ | needle appreas to be correct |
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| 09:46.32 | terr_ | needle - my mail server (saturn @ 192.168.1.6) died of a flat p/s so I'm swapping the function over to the desktop. I tried multihoming but really it dosn't matter since nothing accesses this machine from the outside anyway... however PING io.terralogic.net (192.168.1.3): 56 data bytes |
| 09:46.32 | terr_ | 64 bytes from 192.168.1.3: icmp_seq=0 ttl=255 time=0.1 ms |
| 09:46.33 | terr_ | 6 |
| 09:46.41 | terr_ | needle oing io works |
| 09:46.54 | terr_ | needle ping io works as intended as well |
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| 09:48.02 | terr_ | needle pls send an email to terr@terralogic.net so I can see if it works |
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| 09:50.34 | terr_ | needle: still here? I think we have a channel split |
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| 09:58.05 | jelly | terr_: you can always open a gmail account and send from there |
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| 09:58.38 | terr_ | jelly: actually I cannot send anythng thorugh gmail since they have my servers blocked adn I have no idea why |
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| 09:59.08 | terr_ | jelly pls just send a quick test. I should see it arrive terr@terralogic.net |
| 09:59.33 | jelly | being blocked inbound doesn't mean they'd block mail _from_ gmail to you as well |
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| 10:00.06 | terr_ | jelly true. But I don't have it set up currently and I think this should now work |
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| 10:02.32 | jelly | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:02.32 | jelly | <** 550 relaying to <terr@terralogic.net> prohibited by administrator |
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| 10:02.53 | jelly | your mail server doesn't think that domain is local |
| 10:03.02 | _val_ | Hey guys. On debian, do I have to compile mod_perl for apache2 or.. aptitude install apache2 libapache2-mod-perl2 will suffice? |
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| 10:06.25 | terr_ | jelly this is strange. I also run multiple domains. So I should be able to send out to any of my hosted domains and it should re-route it right back in. I can sedn but I see nothing in /var/log/mail.log Its empty |
| 10:06.31 | terr_ | jelly - exactly. So what happens is my decktop should send it to the webserver/mailserver which is seen on the outside and that machine runs in it own subnet and that machine should route it right back in. Mutt says it is sent my don't see it come back |
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| 10:07.36 | jelly | terr_: exim logs /var/log/exim4/mainlog if I remember correctly |
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| 10:08.29 | eptalon | heyas |
| 10:08.35 | terr_ | jelly ah there we\ go! |
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| 10:09.04 | _val_ | never mind. Just trying and see if it works. |
| 10:09.12 | eptalon | have there been changes to linux softraid (mdadm) recently, that cause an array to kick out a member? |
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| 10:11.18 | terr_ | jelly: 48F8F130FB: to=<terr@saturn.terralogic.net>, orig_to=<terr@terralogic.net>, relay=saturn.terralogic.net[192.168.1.3]:25, delay=109684, delays=109681/0.48/0.75/1, dsn=2.0.0, status=sent (250 OK id=1UIyiX-0001IJ-00) |
| 10:11.31 | terr_ | jelly - says its sent but I dont see it |
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| 10:12.49 | terr_ | jelly: 2013-03-22 02:59:19 1UIw5y-0000qn-00 == tiny.bubbles@onon.org T=remote_smtp defer (110): Connection timed out |
| 10:12.50 | terr_ | 2013-03-22 02:59:19 1UIw5y-0000qn-00 failed to open DB file /var/spool/exim/db/retry: File exists |
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| 10:12.59 | terr_ | I think the mail is stuck in the spooler |
| 10:13.02 | jelly | that looks more like exim. |
| 10:13.16 | jelly | the line you pasted first looked too much like a postfix log |
| 10:13.40 | jelly | unfortunately I'm clueless about exim |
| 10:14.01 | terr_ | jelly: yes - I run postfix on the main mail server and I'm just setting up exim on the desktop to pick up the incomming mail that my internal mail server use to handle. |
| 10:14.08 | eptalon | is stuck with a degraded lvl 5 array, with 3 disks (active), and one spare. |
| 10:14.29 | eptalon | I wonder how I can make the thing rebuild onto the spare. |
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| 10:23.50 | drasko | hi all. I can not format SD card as Linux sees it like read-only. How to force format ? |
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| 10:25.40 | ChrisH | eptalon: You have a Raid5 with how many disks normally? Cab you show us /proc/mdstat on paste.debian.net to make it easier to answer you? |
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| 10:26.48 | drasko | dd -f if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sde does not work as SD card is always RO. How to force it. |
| 10:27.17 | eptalon | CrisH: Originally, 4x2TB (all used); one of them failed, now I have a three disk (dirty,degraded), which I cannot start, and where the forth disk will show up as "hot-spare" if I re-add. I also seem to not be able to trigger a rebuild. |
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| 10:29.53 | debianN00b | If i install xfce on KDE based debian then still xfce will use KDE services? |
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| 10:30.06 | eptalon | debianN00b: nope. |
| 10:30.19 | debianN00b | ah, gonna install |
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| 10:30.22 | drasko | /dev/sde always opened RO. How to format SD Card ? |
| 10:30.35 | Arafangion | debianN00b: But if you were to run a KDE program, such as kwrite, then yes, it would |
| 10:30.55 | Arafangion | debianN00b: But you won't get the KDE panel, etcera - you would still be recognisably using XFCE> |
| 10:31.25 | zykotick9 | drasko: does your sd card have a tab/switch (RO switch) on it? is it the wrong way? |
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| 10:35.20 | eptalon | ChrisH: http://pastebin.com/5ZyxiDXZ |
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| 10:41.29 | drasko | zykotick9, it is GUID with protective MBR. |
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| 10:42.37 | zykotick9 | drasko: that just sounds like a GPT partition table? i've seen that message on system as well. |
| 10:43.06 | zykotick9 | s/on/on my/ |
| 10:43.33 | drasko | zykotick9, it wat actually physical switch, like you pointed out! How stupid. |
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| 10:44.43 | mr_claus | is virt-install the recommended way to install hvm and pvm guests or is it better to use xen-tools? i would like to create and manage guests from command line, installing from an URL or from ISO files |
| 10:45.05 | mr_claus | virt-install needs to create some symlinks and does not show a text console with installing a hvm guest |
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| 10:50.58 | eptalon | ChrisH: I also get the message "mdadm: device 4 in /dev/md/2 has wrong state in superblock, but /dev/sdc1 seems ok |
| 10:51.03 | eptalon | ideas? |
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| 10:57.04 | nkuttler | ,v pypy |
| 10:57.05 | judd | Package: pypy on i386 -- experimental: 1.9+dfsg-2 |
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| 10:59.07 | eptalon | I think I found the source of my problem. |
| 10:59.33 | eptalon | mdadm --assemble --scan --verbose reports a wrong uuid, for the different devices |
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| 11:00.28 | eptalon | http://pastebin.com/RgTvjCik |
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| 11:02.52 | dokma | how do I start my md0 (missing sdc) array from a live debian booted off of a usb stick? |
| 11:03.33 | eptalon | dokma: what raid level? |
| 11:03.44 | dokma | raid 1 |
| 11:04.05 | eptalon | dokma: tried mdadm --assemle -scan ? |
| 11:04.09 | eptalon | er --scan |
| 11:04.20 | dokma | I'm in the middle of a migration and want to copy the running system to the lv on the array |
| 11:04.22 | eptalon | dokma: tried mdadm --assemble --scan ? |
| 11:04.31 | dokma | mdadm --assemble --scan does nothing |
| 11:04.39 | dokma | cat /proc/mdstat is empty after that |
| 11:04.50 | dokma | I guess that is the way to tell if raid is up? |
| 11:05.04 | eptalon | pastebin mdadm --detail /dev/md0? |
| 11:05.34 | dokma | eptalon: will do as soon as dd finishes backing up my root drive |
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| 11:06.15 | dokma | eptalon: no such file or directory |
| 11:06.52 | dokma | does the kernel need to have some stuff in order to be able to run raid? |
| 11:06.57 | dokma | like modules or something |
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| 11:09.26 | dokma | can I assemble the raid manually somehow? |
| 11:09.55 | dmbaturin | Hey guys, how do I install 32-bit nvidia OpenGL libs on 64-bit squeeze? |
| 11:09.57 | eptalon | dokma: the only way to interact with it meaningfully is through mdadm. |
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| 11:10.29 | dokma | eptalon: I see. So can I assemble it manually with mdadm? |
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| 11:16.07 | Kaurin | Package maintainer of package munin on wheezy, please update the package to a version that has TLS communication working :( |
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| 11:17.04 | nkuttler | !tell Kaurin about bts |
| 11:17.16 | et | according to aptitude, that's the munin devs themselves |
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| 11:23.53 | babilen | Kaurin: Might be #703031 |
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| 11:24.04 | babilen | judd: bug 703031 |
| 11:24.05 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/703031 in libssl1.0.0 (closed, patch, upstream): «libssl1.0.0: Segfault in SSL_get_certificate (1.0.1e-1)»; severity: important; opened: 2013-03-14; last modified: 2013-03-21. |
| 11:24.11 | eptalon | thanks everyone, my problem with the raid is solved. |
| 11:24.19 | eptalon | the thing is rebuilding |
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| 11:25.42 | eptalon | basically: mdaddm --assemble --no-degraded --force on the array, then remove and re-add the spare; which triggered the re-build. |
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| 11:32.03 | zykotick9 | dmbaturin: nvidia-glx-ia32 perhaps? |
| 11:33.10 | Kaurin | judd, thank you |
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| 11:33.51 | babilen | Kaurin: judd is a bot, but you are welcome :) |
| 11:33.58 | Kaurin | oh babilen hehe |
| 11:34.15 | Kaurin | Not sure if it's that ssl bug... #699803 |
| 11:34.29 | babilen | judd: bug 699803 |
| 11:34.30 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/699803 in munin (open, fixed-upstream, upstream): «munin: TLS not working with v2.0»; severity: important; opened: 2013-02-05; last modified: 2013-03-21. |
| 11:34.43 | Kaurin | last modified yesterday |
| 11:34.45 | Kaurin | sweet |
| 11:34.58 | Kaurin | last message is a confirmation for the fix upstream. Now we wait |
| 11:35.09 | Towzzer | now we play the waiting game |
| 11:35.19 | Kaurin | in which we wait |
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| 11:41.34 | ChrisH | eptalon: I just checked the pastes. and it looks strange to me. There is an md-tools releated IRC channel somewhere |
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| 11:47.43 | peterrooney | Still waiting. |
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| 11:54.24 | hero100 | there are two processes. when process A find process B being killed, it will restart process B. can this make the system failed to shut down? |
| 11:54.55 | koollman | hero100: probably not. process A will be killed, too |
| 11:55.49 | hero100 | but when process B first being killed, it will restart? |
| 11:57.34 | hero100 | I think this is why I can't shut down but not sure. |
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| 12:08.38 | debianN00b | i just installed xfce... But i can't find the option to reduce brightness. I installed power-manager-xfce |
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| 12:16.39 | jhutchins_wk | debianN00b: xrandr |
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| 12:19.09 | debianN00b | jhutchins_wk, what is that? Everything okay but i only don't see the option/icon to reduce brightness(100% to 1%) http://paste.debian.net/243652/ |
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| 12:19.41 | debianN00b | echo 1 | sudo tee /sys/class/backlight/acpi_video0/brightness this work but not permanent |
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| 12:31.21 | blubberdiblub | debianN00b, maybe you should ask for backlight control instead if that's what you mean. an unadorned "brightness" is usually associated with image brightness, which is not the same as backlight |
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| 12:48.33 | salinux | مرحبا |
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| 12:49.43 | salinux | :arabic! مرحبا |
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| 12:50.15 | funyun | hi. i am unable to view sizes and add to cart at http://finishline.com , can anyone tell me what i need to install to be able to view this? |
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| 12:52.52 | rabbieth | funyun: that's not really a debian question :\ i guess actually there is an error in js |
| 12:53.41 | funyun | rabbieth: oh, i thought it might be related since it works with ubuntu. just not with debian |
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| 12:54.30 | rabbieth | ubuntu and debian are similar, but i'm pretty sure it's js :) |
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| 12:59.00 | Iridos | funyun, compare versions of firefox/iceweasel ... or whatever browser you're using |
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| 12:59.57 | Iridos | dpkg, tell funyun about iceweasel backports |
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| 13:00.17 | Iridos | guessing that you are on squeeze and in case you need a newer browser |
| 13:00.19 | funyun | Iridos: ya, i'm using iceweasel on debian and firefox on ubuntu |
| 13:00.23 | funyun | i'll compare |
| 13:00.42 | Iridos | or you could just try with a backport anyway... |
| 13:01.06 | Iridos | and seems fine with iceweasel in wheezy... |
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| 13:01.20 | Aktau | Hey guys |
| 13:01.37 | Aktau | I want to install the td-agent/fluentd .deb from treasure data |
| 13:01.40 | funyun | Iridos: i will try. thanks :) |
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| 13:01.43 | Aktau | Sadly, these seem to be for ubuntu only |
| 13:01.49 | Iridos | funyun, as wheezy suppowedly will become the next stable release really soon now, you could consider just upgrading to wheezy as well |
| 13:01.59 | Aktau | It complains about library versions that don't match |
| 13:02.10 | Aktau | However, I would like to change the .deb so that it does work for me |
| 13:02.17 | Aktau | So I unpacked with with dpkg-deb -x |
| 13:02.30 | octocpp | Anyone else having problems with the raid arrays comming up as md125 md126 md127, etc, in no particual order on reboots? I have metadata 1.2 so I can not do update=super-minor. Is there a way to get my md0-1 back again? |
| 13:02.39 | Aktau | And I can't find where it creates the necessary user and gives it the necessary privileges (td-agent) |
| 13:02.52 | Aktau | Can dpkg show me that? |
| 13:02.56 | jelly | octocpp: does your mdadm.conf list the arrays? |
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| 13:04.08 | Iridos | Aktau, adjusting the versions on the dependencies won't work anyway... supposing that these versions have been added for good reason |
| 13:04.30 | Aktau | Iridos: I was able to install the gem version just fine (it's just a ruby gem actually) |
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| 13:04.50 | Aktau | Iridos: So it is able to run on my system of sure |
| 13:04.58 | Towzzer | ruby gem is truly outrageous |
| 13:05.22 | Aktau | Iridos: But for a production server I don't really want to mess with all that gem horsing around |
| 13:05.29 | Aktau | Iridos: however I will if I have to |
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| 13:07.21 | Iridos | Aktau, I dunno if having hand-hacked .deb installed next to your general packages will be cleaner... you won't be able to upgrade from a repo anyway... so the question is what benefits of using debian packages with their dependencies and things you can still reap |
| 13:07.54 | Aktau | Iridos: so you think the gem is the cleanest approach after all? |
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| 13:08.49 | Iridos | Aktau, dunno, just saying that using packages might not be so great either |
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| 13:09.10 | Aktau | Well at least it would allow me to cleanly remove it |
| 13:09.14 | Aktau | I'm a bit conflicted |
| 13:09.36 | Iridos | with regular packages, you get security-fixes and you can install each with one command, as all dependencies are pulled in |
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| 13:09.46 | octocpp | jelly: yea, it is in there. I think it is a bug with the new vertion of mdadm. I have to mount the arrays using uuid now because every time i reboot, the mdx number is different. |
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| 13:10.24 | Iridos | Aktau, well, also only if the package doesn't leave over stuff generated by the postinst scripts :P but yeah, it has got that |
| 13:10.45 | Aktau | Iridos: alright |
| 13:10.52 | jelly | octocpp: if you told mdadm to start or mount and of the arrays at boot time, make sure any changes in mdadm.conf get into theinitramfs image as well |
| 13:11.00 | jelly | any* of the arrays |
| 13:11.01 | Aktau | Iridos: I think I'm going to go do it manually as I'm way too nebbish for deb packages |
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| 13:13.01 | octocpp | octocpp: yea, I updated the ramfs. If i stop the array, and do mdadm -A /dev/md0 , it assembles fine, so i think there is a bug with the new mdadm. I readthat many other people have this problem, and after rolling back to an earlier mdadm, it works again. Also, I could maybe go back to metadata < 1.x but that is a pain. |
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| 13:14.42 | Aktau | Iridos: how can I see the pre and post install of this deb package so I can emulate it? |
| 13:14.51 | Aktau | I would still need to make my user unfortunately... |
| 13:15.21 | octocpp | jelly: my mdadm.conf is good, and all of my names are :0 :1 :2 , and it seems the issue is the new ver od mdadm hmm. |
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| 13:15.41 | octocpp | jelly: just wonding if anyone has good experience with this and if there is a workaround. |
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| 13:16.10 | jelly | octocpp: names? Get rid of those in mdadm.conf, leave just the device, metadata and uuid |
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| 13:16.30 | octocpp | jelly: lol, I did that too. still came up wrong. |
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| 13:16.46 | Iridos | dpkg, tell Aktau about postrm |
| 13:16.50 | octocpp | jelly: though, im not sure I updated the ramfs after deleting the names from it. |
| 13:16.56 | octocpp | jelly: ill try that too. |
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| 13:17.09 | octocpp | jelly: are you running raid? |
| 13:17.32 | jelly | octocpp: what else would I use mdadm for! |
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| 13:18.06 | Iridos | Aktau, if you unpack manually, just search for it ... find . -name \*postrm |
| 13:18.13 | jelly | octocpp: which debian release are you using, uname -r and version of mdadm package? |
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| 13:20.35 | Aktau | Iridos: apparently that doesn't exist in both of the packages that I tried to unpack now |
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| 13:20.44 | Aktau | Iridos: is unpacking with dpkg-deb -x the right way? |
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| 13:24.23 | truexfan81 | sigh |
| 13:24.46 | truexfan81 | just finished a wheezy netinstall, trying to login, keeps telling incorrect password |
| 13:24.52 | Iridos | Aktau, that only gives you the packages installed content... try ar x yourpackage.deb; tar -xvzf control.tar.gz |
| 13:25.25 | truexfan81 | lol |
| 13:25.27 | Iridos | truexfan81, log in as root, change users password? |
| 13:25.29 | Nik05 | truexfan81 enter correct password |
| 13:25.34 | Nik05 | :D |
| 13:25.35 | truexfan81 | just did a ctrl+alt+f1 |
| 13:25.41 | truexfan81 | password works from tty |
| 13:25.45 | truexfan81 | just not in x |
| 13:25.55 | Iridos | you shouldn't have put umlauts in your password |
| 13:26.07 | truexfan81 | what? |
| 13:26.10 | Nik05 | " |
| 13:26.16 | truexfan81 | password is just letters and numbers |
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| 13:26.30 | Iridos | or your console has a different keymap than X |
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| 13:27.01 | Iridos | hm, that should be fine |
| 13:27.17 | Iridos | truexfan81, in that case, I suggest pressing capslock in X |
| 13:27.17 | pyrobisqit | is back (gone 00:07:04) |
| 13:27.30 | Iridos | pyrobisqit, please switch that off |
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| 13:27.47 | truexfan81 | its off, just tried with it on, made no difference |
| 13:28.24 | blubberdiblub | truexfan81, what keyboard layout do you use? |
| 13:28.26 | truexfan81 | ok changed it using the passwd command |
| 13:28.31 | truexfan81 | x now accepts it |
| 13:28.35 | pyrobisqit | Iridos, Sorry, doing now |
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| 13:30.54 | truexfan81 | just curious, does debian support e17? |
| 13:31.55 | peterrooney | ,version e17 |
| 13:31.56 | judd | Package: e17 on i386 -- sid: 0.16.999.70492-2 |
| 13:32.21 | truexfan81 | says sid |
| 13:32.26 | truexfan81 | what about wheezy? |
| 13:32.46 | truexfan81 | aptitude search doesn't find the package |
| 13:33.02 | truexfan81 | i guess i should look for a repos to add :) |
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| 13:34.03 | jhutchins_wk | truexfan81: I guess there just hasn't been enought interest in it from the Debian community. It's certainly been around, since etch at least. |
| 13:34.22 | truexfan81 | https://mcwhirter.com.au/craige/blog/2013/E17YankedFromDebian7.0(Wheezy) |
| 13:35.15 | Arafangion | It's really, really difficult to get for debian now, though. |
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| 13:36.10 | Arafangion | Ooh, nice, it's in sid, at least, so doing a backport shouldn't be that hard. |
| 13:36.26 | Arafangion | truexfan81: But mixing your system like that site suggests is horrible. |
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| 13:37.17 | peterrooney | e16 builds just fine on wheezy, has packages for squeeze, but is essentially a different wm |
| 13:37.41 | jhutchins_wk | Like I said, 17's been around since etch. |
| 13:37.45 | Arafangion | "first and final official release"? |
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| 13:37.58 | peterrooney | I'm not enthused about the switch |
| 13:38.01 | Arafangion | You hardly ever see that anymore. |
| 13:38.05 | Arafangion | peterrooney: What switch? |
| 13:38.05 | jhutchins_wk | Whether it's actually been usable, as opposed to something like Gentoo that you tinker with more than use... |
| 13:38.27 | peterrooney | Arafangion: e16 and e17 are very very very very very very different. |
| 13:38.43 | jhutchins_wk | Arafangion: maybe that just means "we give up, this is all you're going to get". |
| 13:38.45 | Arafangion | peterrooney: I'm aware. I used to be an e16 user. |
| 13:38.55 | peterrooney | I don't know why they didn't just go with e2.0 |
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| 13:39.01 | Arafangion | jhutchins_wk: The E crowd tends to be perfectionists. |
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| 13:39.23 | jhutchins_wk | Clearly there are those who don't think it's ready for "prime time". |
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| 13:40.01 | Arafangion | Evidently, the whole thing seems strange. |
| 13:40.37 | Arafangion | I see there's a bugfix release. 17.1 |
| 13:40.57 | Arafangion | And they seem to have started on E18. |
| 13:41.18 | Iridos | Arafangion, actually mixing sid into wheezy right now shouldn't be a big problem, as right now both are quite close together |
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| 13:41.42 | Arafangion | Iridos: It's bad education. |
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| 13:42.07 | mallxs | hi if i wanna exclude some directory from a rsync; should i then use --exclude =/rootdir/dir/ ?; i'm trying this but it doesnt work |
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| 13:42.32 | jhutchins_wk | mallxs: Quote your path. |
| 13:42.42 | mallxs | ok nice |
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| 13:42.45 | Iridos | Arafangion, depends if you think "just unthinkingly doing things in a certain way" is good education :P |
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| 13:42.50 | jhutchins_wk | mallxs: Also, I think you don't want the trailing slash. |
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| 13:43.12 | funyun | Iridos: it works now. thanks :) |
| 13:43.13 | peterrooney | mallxs: rsync treats slashes differently depending on context |
| 13:43.19 | truexfan81 | well i guess i could compile e17 |
| 13:44.09 | truexfan81 | a guy in the debian forums says he followed the ubuntu compile instructions in wheezy and it worked |
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| 13:45.00 | Arafangion | Iridos: Yes, but there's no explaination. |
| 13:45.14 | peterrooney | truexfan81: did he say which distro he compiled it on? |
| 13:45.23 | truexfan81 | wheezy |
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| 13:46.00 | truexfan81 | 3rd post http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=90435 |
| 13:47.38 | truexfan81 | anyway i'll try it after i get done compiling all my other stuff |
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| 13:53.00 | colo-work | can anyone tell me if that HBA: http://www8.hp.com/uk/en/products/adapters/product-detail.html?oid=3741534 is supported by squeeze's stock kernel? |
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| 13:56.13 | Arafangion | colo-work: For something like that, couldn't you ask them that? |
| 13:56.29 | Arafangion | colo-work: Also, it's quite easy to backport the kernel from backports. |
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| 13:56.39 | Arafangion | To *get* the kernel from backports, rather. |
| 13:57.34 | SYN4PS3 | have problem with fan speed , by using nouveau, i have installed debian wheezy weekly snapshot. |
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| 13:59.14 | jelly | colo-work: first figure out which vendor and chip(set) it uses |
| 14:00.01 | colo-work | jelly, it's a qlogic QLE2562 |
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| 14:00.10 | jelly | colo-work: do you have a pci-id? |
| 14:00.27 | colo-work | I see that the qla2xxx module from squeeze's kernel loads firmware for names "something2500.bin" |
| 14:00.30 | colo-work | unfortunately, no |
| 14:00.38 | jelly | you'll need firmware-qlogic installed, yes |
| 14:00.54 | colo-work | we're not HP customers either, so I cannot access their "SPOCK" platform ti find out more about their hardware |
| 14:01.13 | funyun | Iridos: i'm using greasemonkey and trying to add a script. it tells me to "Please choose your prefered text editor". where would I find that? |
| 14:01.16 | jelly | colo-work: here's a free hint: google for part number or model and lspci |
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| 14:01.44 | jelly | judd: pciid 1077:2532 |
| 14:01.45 | judd | [1077:2532] is 'ISP2532-based 8Gb Fibre Channel to PCI Express HBA' from 'QLogic Corp.' with kernel module 'qla2xxx' in squeeze. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=1077:2532 |
| 14:02.02 | Iridos | funyun, /usr/bin/nano ? |
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| 14:02.15 | Iridos | funyun, funyun /usr/bin/gedit ? |
| 14:02.22 | jelly | colo-work: looks like the driver claims support. I've no idea how well it actually works, we're still on 4Gbps. |
| 14:02.41 | colo-work | yeah, so are we. we're looking to retire that line, though :) |
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| 14:02.59 | funyun | Iridos: thanks |
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| 14:05.43 | SYN4PS3 | have problem with fan speed , by using nouveau, it works at 100% speed all time. |
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| 14:09.06 | jimmy_ | hello? |
| 14:09.23 | jimmy_ | has anyone installed a trendnet TEG-PCITXR? |
| 14:09.53 | jimmy_ | PCI Gigabit nic |
| 14:10.09 | jimmy_ | I want to know if it works with squeeze |
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| 14:12.40 | truexfan81 | i love this lol |
| 14:12.58 | truexfan81 | compiling in screen :) detach and check on it later |
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| 14:16.27 | Soru | Hello |
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| 14:19.16 | Soru | I try to make my digitalizer tablet work, but I can't. I did this: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/TabletSetupWizardpen without luck |
| 14:19.23 | Soru | Someone knows how to do it in Debian Testing? |
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| 14:30.41 | Iridos | jimmy_.... |
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| 14:30.58 | Soru | Someone knows where I can find more information by the way? |
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| 14:32.53 | Iridos | Soru, you did try what of that page? |
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| 14:36.36 | Soru | Iridos: Yes, but nothing changes. I red on some blog that when you what says that page, it works after restarting, but doesn't work for me. I reinstalled Debian because I don't know a lot, I did it again and nothing. I don't know what more I can do |
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| 14:38.37 | Iridos | Soru, that wasn't my question. This is a close to 1000-line document. What of this did you actually try |
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| 14:43.22 | Soru | Iridos: I've installed all the packages that comes with the readme file of the driver. I builded and installed the driver and I configured somthing on /usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d/70-wizardpen.conf |
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| 14:52.26 | Soru | Iridos: I'm going to restart, one sec. |
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| 14:56.06 | Iridos | Soru, first you should make sure you have the xorg modules in place and working (check /var/log/Xorg.0.log for messages after you started X with them present) |
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| 15:02.14 | truexfan81 | ok i love wheezy now lol |
| 15:02.28 | truexfan81 | after trying open suse debian is easy :) |
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| 15:06.28 | rabbieth | gives a welcome hug to truexfan81 |
| 15:06.56 | rabbieth | heh, i remember opensuse, wouldn't want to use it without a reason :) |
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| 15:08.01 | HardlySeen | i never seem to make it a day with suse on my system |
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| 15:08.31 | HardlySeen | debian, fedora, arch, slack... sure, but not suse. |
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| 15:09.27 | rabbieth | i had a client who said that windows PDC must be on suse :P also i had some ancient mail-servers on it too :P |
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| 15:13.14 | MO_Handes | is it possible to hibernate debian and boot into another OS? |
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| 15:15.04 | rabbieth | i'm not sure this is possible on any os :x |
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| 15:18.51 | Soru | Iridos: Sorry, I'm back |
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| 15:23.03 | teclo- | !java |
| 15:23.04 | dpkg | Java is a cross-platform C++-like OO language. Sun, now Oracle, has released most of its Java implementation under the GPL as <openjdk>. There are other implementations packaged; for Debian 6.0 "Squeeze" systems, Sun's JRE/JDK is in <non-free> (for i386, amd64 only). Ask me about <install java>. See also <java alternatives>, <icedtea>, <java ipv6>, <java-package>. http://wiki.debian.org/Java ##java on irc.freenode.net. |
| 15:24.18 | Iridos | MO... |
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| 15:29.13 | jhutchins_wk | I gather that suse has gone in a new direction since they split off the other Novell stuff. |
| 15:29.33 | jhutchins_wk | was just looking at it this morning. |
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| 15:32.00 | tempspace | How can I block a package from being installed? echo 'avahi-daemon hold' | dpkg --set-selections doesn't seem to work for me |
| 15:32.03 | shawnbon206 | hey |
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| 15:32.34 | wolfmitchell | wtf wodim... http://znc.wolfmitchell.com:7777/rohegoruto.vhdl |
| 15:34.23 | shawnbon206 | can anyone reccomend a good way yo minimally instal xorg and i3wm? i want fonts and regular utilities but when i installed it from the installer it installed too much. |
| 15:35.00 | babilen | dpkg: tell shawnbon206 -about install xorg |
| 15:35.26 | babilen | shawnbon206: Simply don't install the desktop task during the initial installation and follow up by installing Xorg (and i3) |
| 15:36.07 | petn-randall | tempspace: aptitude has it's own hold mechanism, in case you're testing the upgrade of it. |
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| 15:36.10 | shawnbon206 | oh if i just "aptitude install xorg i3" i'll get everything i need but less of the bloat |
| 15:36.13 | shawnbon206 | ? |
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| 15:36.19 | petn-randall | tempspace: AFAIK you can only stop a package from being updated that way. |
| 15:36.20 | shawnbon206 | n |
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| 15:36.46 | tempspace | petn-randall: But that would require I use aptitude instead of apt? |
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| 15:37.14 | shawnbon206 | babilen: ok i'll try it |
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| 15:37.21 | petn-randall | tempspace: I'm just saying that if you use dpkg --set-selections, this will be ignored by aptitude (but honoured by apt) |
| 15:37.49 | petn-randall | tempspace: aptitude can also hold packages, but that's separate from dpkg --set-selections. |
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| 15:38.03 | wolfmitchell | Anyone know how to fix this issue with wodim not finding my drive? http://znc.wolfmitchell.com:7777/rohegoruto.vhdl |
| 15:38.10 | petn-randall | tempspace: but AFAIK this won't stop the packages from being installed, just from being upgraded. |
| 15:38.12 | tempspace | petn-randall: yeah, I know, I just don't know if I can block a package from installing all together |
| 15:38.14 | wolfmitchell | the link is the output |
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| 15:38.24 | shawnbon206 | xorg installed drivers for every video card under the sun. can i remove some of these packages? |
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| 15:38.35 | petn-randall | tempspace: But what are you trying to achieve? |
| 15:38.53 | tempspace | petn-randall: Don't allow avahi-daemon to be installed on the system ever |
| 15:39.12 | tempspace | petn-randall: By any package that happens to have it as a requirement, recommends, anything |
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| 15:39.27 | Pymous | Hello ! |
| 15:39.41 | census | Hi! I'd like to run Debian from a vritual box. Thus, I need to obtain a version of Debian.. I am currently a windows user. I'm looking at the site: www.debian.org/distrib/netinst However, I'm a bit confused by my options. What should I download? |
| 15:39.56 | Pymous | My server crashed yesterday, and now I can only access to the harddriver from a rescue system, how can I save the crontab file from this installation ? I can't find his location |
| 15:40.04 | census | I hope that question is ok to ask. |
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| 15:40.52 | ChrisH | census: I assume your VM will have internet access, then I recommend to use netinstaller image or a live CD. |
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| 15:41.38 | ChrisH | census: http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ |
| 15:41.42 | jhutchins_wk | Pymous: /etc/crontab, /var/spool/cron/(crontabs/), /etc/cron.*/ |
| 15:41.53 | census | ChrisH: I hope so! I have never used VB before. I'm downloading the VB .exe right now. |
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| 15:41.56 | tempspace | petn-randall: I got it, I can pin the package with a -1 |
| 15:43.12 | jhutchins_wk | census: Visual Basic? |
| 15:43.15 | census | ChrisH: Thank you for sending that link! Even withi that link there are 4 different options. I was thinking i386? |
| 15:43.19 | Pymous | jhutchins_wk > Perfect, thanks you ! |
| 15:43.43 | census | jhutchin_wk: VirtualBox. I used VB as ChrisH did. I wanted to be consistent with the lingo since I'm a newbie |
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| 15:44.11 | jhutchins_wk | census: Ah, I see. So debian within a virtualbox vm. |
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| 15:44.49 | jhutchins_wk | census: Which windows are you running? |
| 15:44.58 | census | windows xp on a 32 machine |
| 15:45.42 | jhutchins_wk | census: Don't try to run 64b vms then. |
| 15:46.00 | census | is that what i'm doing? |
| 15:46.04 | jhutchins_wk | census: i386/i686 |
| 15:46.05 | census | i don't know what i'm doing. |
| 15:46.13 | census | so is i386 incorrect? |
| 15:47.41 | petn-randall | tempspace: Good idea. I would have recommended that if I had read your message earlier :) |
| 15:48.01 | tempspace | petn-randall: We're geniuses! |
| 15:48.21 | petn-randall | tempspace: I'd like to be the evil genius then ;) |
| 15:48.32 | census | petn-randall is a genius! |
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| 15:48.34 | tempspace | petn-randall: Go right ahead :) |
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| 15:48.49 | census | petn-randall++ |
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| 15:54.27 | ChrisH | census: i386 is OK |
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| 16:00.02 | dimitry7 | hi guys, do you know how to modify a mailing list description in debian from CLI? |
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| 16:01.45 | jhutchins_wk | dimitry7: What do you mean by mailing list description? As shown where, by what? |
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| 16:02.08 | dimitry7 | when you do #list_lists |
| 16:02.26 | Ristovski | hmm, would fglrx-legacy-driver work on my Radeon HD 5145? |
| 16:02.38 | Ristovski | the newest one wont recognize it |
| 16:02.44 | dimitry7 | the output is mailing list - description. I have created a new list but it doesnt have a description, how can I add it ? |
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| 16:03.25 | jhutchins_wk | dimitry7: What mailing list management software did you set up? |
| 16:03.32 | dimitry7 | mailman |
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| 16:03.59 | jhutchins_wk | Ah, there we go, "how do you set the description of a mailing list in mailman"! |
| 16:04.05 | dimitry7 | yes |
| 16:04.05 | MrBIOS | is there a channel dedicated to building packages from source with dpkg-buildpackage? |
| 16:04.19 | MrBIOS | I'm having a hell of a time getting php5 to compile from the source deb |
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| 16:04.35 | dimitry7 | jhutchins_wk, ok sorry, do you know how? |
| 16:04.36 | babilen | MrBIOS: What are you trying to do? |
| 16:05.02 | babilen | MrBIOS: Oh, PHP. Forget that I asked. |
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| 16:05.13 | MrBIOS | babilen: ultimately, I need a mysql.so built against an older version of libmysql |
| 16:05.15 | somiaj | MrBIOS: what source deb are you using? Are you trying to backport php from wheezy to squeeze? |
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| 16:05.29 | MrBIOS | nope, just rebuild the one that squeeze comes with |
| 16:05.32 | babilen | MrBIOS: Why do you need that? |
| 16:05.49 | MrBIOS | long story involving mysql versioning across a replicated pool |
| 16:05.52 | jhutchins_wk | dimitry7: http://www.howtoforge.com/how-to-install-and-configure-mailman-with-postfix-on-debian-squeeze |
| 16:06.00 | somiaj | MrBIOS: there is #debian-mentors on irc.oftc.net that can help with packaging problems, but something specific to the complicated packaging whichis known as php may not get quick responses |
| 16:06.05 | jhutchins_wk | dimitry7: http://www.gnu.org/software/mailman/docs.html |
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| 16:06.31 | MrBIOS | anyways, the issue is pretty specific…despite --without-gdbm being in the manifest, ./configure bails out with "configure: error: DBA: Could not find necessary header file(s)." |
| 16:06.35 | dimitry7 | it should be with config_list |
| 16:06.39 | dimitry7 | it isn't there. |
| 16:06.43 | MrBIOS | this is the configure that dpkg-buildpackage is instantiating |
| 16:06.48 | Ristovski | babilen: sorry fro bothering, can you get the fglrx-legacy-driver on debian wheezy? |
| 16:06.49 | babilen | manifest? |
| 16:06.51 | Ristovski | for* |
| 16:07.04 | dimitry7 | jhutchins_wk, I have found the docs, I don't understand them |
| 16:07.15 | jhutchins_wk | dimitry7: I would expect it to require editing a config file as opposed to issuing a command, but I haven't done mailman myself. |
| 16:07.17 | MrBIOS | babilen: yes, in debian/rules |
| 16:07.18 | babilen | MrBIOS: Which manifest are you referring to? Could you paste some output and configuration to http://paste.debian.net ? |
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| 16:07.51 | dimitry7 | jhutchins_wk, ok thank you |
| 16:08.25 | jhutchins_wk | dimitry7: There could be aditional utility packages that you need to install. |
| 16:08.59 | MrBIOS | when I run ./configure manually, it succeeds. Despite the explicit --without-gdbm in debian/rules file, it seems to be insisting on building with gdbm (which, incidentally, *IS* installed on my system, along with the include headers. |
| 16:09.02 | jhutchins_wk | dimitry7: N'mind, doesn't look like there are any additional packages. |
| 16:09.37 | somiaj | MrBIOS: how did you modify the debian/rules file to add the --without-gdbm, sounds like your issue is there |
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| 16:10.01 | MrBIOS | I didn't modify it, it came that way. |
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| 16:10.19 | petn-randall | MrBIOS: apt-get build-dep <packageyouwanttobuild> doesn't pull any further packages? |
| 16:10.59 | somiaj | MrBIOS: so you did 'apt-get build dep php5', 'apt-get source php5' and get errors building with using dpkg-buildpackage without any modifications? That is odd unless you are missing correct libs on your system |
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| 16:11.15 | somiaj | and that is build-dep |
| 16:11.18 | babilen | MrBIOS: I can't help you without seeing output + debian/rules |
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| 16:11.39 | babilen | But then ... you mentioned so many buss words that typically have me runnig :) |
| 16:11.41 | babilen | *running |
| 16:11.46 | babilen | *buzz |
| 16:11.55 | somiaj | buzzes babilen |
| 16:12.03 | babilen | *beep* |
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| 16:13.31 | subthalamus | isn't there an easy way to peruse the packages available for a certain arch? |
| 16:13.39 | subthalamus | (mips in this case) |
| 16:13.42 | MrBIOS | packages.debian.org? |
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| 16:15.55 | somiaj | subthalamus: do you not have a debian system running mips? Then you can just use apt-cache search or aptitude search |
| 16:16.14 | somiaj | but yes packages.debian.org is an online page listing all packages in all arches and versions of debian. |
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| 16:16.18 | jhutchins_wk | subthalamus: Or just run aptitude in menu mode to browse. |
| 16:16.53 | jhutchins_wk | !mips |
| 16:16.53 | dpkg | MIPS is a <RISC> architecture (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MIPS_architecture). Debian's MIPS port consists of two ports (debian-mips and debian-mipsel) differing in binary endianness. See http://www.debian.org/ports/mips/ for more information, supported machines and related links. See also <install guide>. http://lists.debian.org/debian-mips/ http://www.linux-mips.org/ #mipslinux on irc.freenode.net. |
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| 16:20.10 | subthalamus | wow, thanks for all the answers |
| 16:20.31 | subthalamus | yea, I tried getting debwrt working last week and failed |
| 16:20.48 | subthalamus | I'm going to try again but I'm not certain what packages are available |
| 16:20.52 | subthalamus | vyatta for example |
| 16:21.01 | truexfan81 | does anyone else find it amusing having an infobot named dpkg? |
| 16:21.22 | jhutchins_wk | truexfan81: Clearly the people who set it up were amused by the idea. |
| 16:21.25 | subthalamus | truexfan81: it fooled me right away |
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| 16:21.44 | truexfan81 | yeah it is kinda funny |
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| 16:22.42 | edgardoweb | hi |
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| 16:23.00 | subthalamus | jhutchins_wk and somiaj, yea, I'd be searching the hell outta apt if debwrt was working |
| 16:23.24 | edgardoweb | :( |
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| 16:24.17 | subthalamus | not even sure putting java on this would be a good idea to try |
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| 16:24.48 | subthalamus | edgardoweb: high |
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| 16:25.53 | truexfan81 | at this point with all the exploits, is it a good idea to put java on anything? |
| 16:26.17 | truexfan81 | i guess a machine without net access would be fine |
| 16:26.36 | et | as long as you don't use the browser plugin, it doesn't matter |
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| 16:28.56 | subthalamus | truexfan81: I usually avoid java like the plague but i2prouter uses java :/ |
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| 16:29.21 | truexfan81 | subthalamus: i'm the same way lol |
| 16:29.31 | subthalamus | isn't there a way to compile java apps into a binary form? |
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| 16:29.46 | subthalamus | maybe that could bypass have a java vm on there |
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| 16:30.14 | truexfan81 | i wonder if dpkg has a response for that question |
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| 16:30.38 | subthalamus | !sudo make me a sammich |
| 16:30.53 | subthalamus | !confused |
| 16:30.54 | dpkg | sings: Been DAZED and CONFUSED for so long it's not true... |
| 16:31.05 | subthalamus | ack |
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| 16:31.25 | boldfilter | Are debian iso's not bootable? |
| 16:31.46 | subthalamus | boldfilter: only if u don't want them to be |
| 16:31.56 | boldfilter | I want them to be |
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| 16:32.18 | mtn | boldfilter: or if you mess up, or if you have bad hardware, or.... |
| 16:32.22 | subthalamus | boldfilter: what did u burn it to? |
| 16:32.27 | boldfilter | usb |
| 16:32.35 | subthalamus | method? |
| 16:32.50 | boldfilter | cat debian6DVD.iso > /dev/sdc |
| 16:33.15 | subthalamus | that would make a non-bootable usb key |
| 16:33.22 | dimitry7 | guys, how do I delete a suscriber from a mailman mailing list??. Thanks! |
| 16:33.41 | boldfilter | How do I make this bab boy bootable |
| 16:33.59 | truexfan81 | unetbootin |
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| 16:35.27 | Twinkletoes | How do you restart networking in squeeze these days? eth0 never comes up and I have to reboot every time |
| 16:35.51 | boldfilter | Do I have to download the iso thru unetbootin? |
| 16:36.05 | truexfan81 | no |
| 16:36.11 | boldfilter | or can I use the ones I've downloaded |
| 16:36.25 | truexfan81 | you can use the ones you've downloaded |
| 16:37.03 | subthalamus | boldfilter: usually dd works fine for me |
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| 16:37.40 | subthalamus | but truexfan81's unetbootin has all GUI goodness |
| 16:37.41 | babilen | Twinkletoes: Do you have "auto eth0" in your /e/n/i ? How do /you/ restart networking? |
| 16:37.47 | boldfilter | dd dosnt boot |
| 16:38.19 | Twinkletoes | babilen: Ah... for some reason I have allow-hotplug eth0, I'll add auto eth0 |
| 16:38.36 | Twinkletoes | babilen: Normally I'd do /etc/init.d/networking restart |
| 16:38.38 | babilen | boldfilter: Your method should work -- does you box boot EUFI? |
| 16:38.47 | boldfilter | Yes |
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| 16:39.09 | babilen | Twinkletoes: Yeah, that's perfectly fine. But you need "auto eth0" if you want it to be brought up automatically. (it essentially does "ifdown -a" and "ifup -a" |
| 16:39.15 | subthalamus | section 4.5.2 says it right there http://live-systems.org/manual/current/html/live-manual.en.html#the-basics |
| 16:39.34 | boldfilter | Do I need to do something special for uefi? |
| 16:39.40 | babilen | boldfilter: You need an installer that supported UEFI then. The wheezy ones do and I would recommend to install that in most cases. Is this for personal use? |
| 16:39.46 | subthalamus | babilen: hold on, are you saying the cat method should make the USB bootable?!? |
| 16:39.51 | boldfilter | Yes |
| 16:39.57 | babilen | dpkg: tell subthalamus about hybrid images |
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| 16:40.14 | Twinkletoes | babilen: Ah, thank you - the interface has come up now, but the default route isn't there any more |
| 16:40.18 | babilen | dpkg: tell boldfilter -about install wheezy |
| 16:40.30 | babilen | Twinkletoes: Then tweak that part of the configuration :) |
| 16:40.42 | babilen | boldfilter: Do you have a working internet connection during the installation? |
| 16:40.51 | truexfan81 | babilen: try ! instead of dpkg |
| 16:41.19 | Twinkletoes | babilen: I have gateway specified in my interfaces file |
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| 16:41.30 | babilen | truexfan81: I like to address the bot directly as other people can learn the name of it. (also some factoids don't work with !) |
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| 16:41.42 | truexfan81 | ah ok |
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| 16:41.50 | truexfan81 | i guess it was telling him in pm? |
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| 16:41.55 | babilen | yes |
| 16:42.00 | truexfan81 | i just didn't see it doing anything |
| 16:42.01 | babilen | No need to spam the channel. |
| 16:42.01 | boldfilter | I have usb internet, NetInstall works |
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| 16:42.16 | babilen | boldfilter: Ok, in that case I would recommend to use the netinstall image with firmware |
| 16:42.23 | babilen | dpkg: tell boldfilter -about firmware images wheezy |
| 16:42.48 | truexfan81 | wheezy netinstall is wonderful :) |
| 16:42.56 | truexfan81 | i installed it with xfce |
| 16:42.57 | babilen | boldfilter: Any preferences regarding desktop environments? (gnome 3, xfce 4, lxde, kde) |
| 16:43.04 | boldfilter | Gnome 3 |
| 16:43.21 | shape | Hello, how come the debian for intel version is i386 instead of i686. I've been searching for i686 and can't seem to find it. Also, for the LIVE CD, the debian-live-6.0.7-i386-standard.iso which is only 282MB doesn't come with a DE correct? That means it's just a command prompt? |
| 16:43.34 | boldfilter | Whats the firmware? |
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| 16:43.51 | boldfilter | Intel stuff? |
| 16:43.53 | truexfan81 | shape: it will use an i686 kernel |
| 16:44.09 | babilen | boldfilter: Ok, that will be installed by default. See also "/msg dpkg usb install wheezy" for further instructions, but "cp debian.iso /dev/sdX ; sync" summarises it (with /dev/sdX being something like /dev/sdc (i.e. the block device of your usb stick, check "dmesg|tail -n23" after plugging it in)) |
| 16:44.14 | truexfan81 | shape: i just did a i386 netinstall and it used 686 |
| 16:44.31 | subthalamus | babilen: I'm familiar with hybrid images, I wasn't aware that cat blah > blah was equivalent to dd if=blah of=blah |
| 16:44.35 | shape | truexfan81: I see, awesome. What about my second question, I'm confused about that :( |
| 16:44.37 | babilen | would recommend amd64 these days, but it is up to you |
| 16:44.42 | subthalamus | babilen: thanks for the info |
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| 16:44.55 | boldfilter | It prompts me to find firmware |
| 16:44.57 | babilen | subthalamus: dd is slower and has a ver awkward syntax. I much prefer cat or cp for this. |
| 16:45.01 | boldfilter | that's why I ask |
| 16:45.02 | babilen | *very |
| 16:45.17 | truexfan81 | shape: idk on the 2nd part |
| 16:45.23 | babilen | boldfilter: Yes, the image I linked you to should contain firmware. If you are still being asked you can just continue. |
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| 16:45.35 | Footur | hello |
| 16:45.49 | subthalamus | boldfilter: so have u resolved you're non booting problem? |
| 16:45.50 | boldfilter | Allright, where do I choose my enviroment |
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| 16:45.56 | Footur | are there any plans to enable selinux by default in debian? |
| 16:46.17 | boldfilter | I would like to boot the 4.3 GB DVD I downloaded |
| 16:46.53 | babilen | boldfilter: firmware are binary blobs that are needed by your hardware or CPU -- the firmare image contains firmware for hardware such as network cards, wireless adaptors or radeon graphic cards. You would still have to install a microcode package for your CPU if you want to make sure that your CPU works without problems. The exact package depends on if you have an AMD or Intel one. |
| 16:46.53 | wolfmitchell | It seems that my debian wheezy netinst install CD is stuck at 'Loading /install.386/initrd.gz' |
| 16:46.55 | wolfmitchell | .-. |
| 16:46.56 | shape | I got disconnected, can someone please tell me the name of the person who just talked to me? |
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| 16:47.17 | babilen | boldfilter: I was under the impression that you downloaded the debian 6.0.7 DVD -- Was that wrong? |
| 16:47.39 | boldfilter | Both wont boot |
| 16:47.43 | boldfilter | I have both |
| 16:47.54 | shape | truexfan81: sorry I got disconnected, in case you wrote to me I didn't get it :( I only got the i686 part |
| 16:47.59 | subthalamus | boldfilter: you're certain your BIOS supports USB booting? |
| 16:48.00 | babilen | boldfilter: both are what exactly? |
| 16:48.14 | babilen | boldfilter: Could you give me the filenames? |
| 16:48.22 | boldfilter | wheezy DVD and 6.0.7 DVD |
| 16:48.30 | boldfilter | amd64 |
| 16:48.31 | babilen | … |
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| 16:48.47 | truexfan81 | yeah shape i said i don't know on the 2nd part, maybe one of these other guys can answer that |
| 16:49.02 | babilen | If you boot UEFI the 6.0.7 installer won't work. The wheeze one /should/ work, but I need to know which version you downloaded. So what is the filename exactly? |
| 16:49.34 | boldfilter | debian-wheezy-DI-rc1-amd64-DVD-3.iso |
| 16:49.36 | babilen | *wheezy |
| 16:49.40 | babilen | DVD3 ? |
| 16:49.44 | babilen | hehe |
| 16:49.50 | babilen | boldfilter: Why did you download DVD3 ? |
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| 16:50.05 | shape | Hi, can someone please tell me if debian-live-6.0.7-i386-standard.iso comes with a DE? Or is it just a command prompt? |
| 16:50.08 | boldfilter | Those arnt builds huh |
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| 16:50.28 | mtn | shape: doesn't the site that hosted that iso list what is on the iso? |
| 16:50.46 | torrancew | Hi folks, is there any easy way to use dput/dupload if you *only* have a .deb, and not the .changes/.dsc/etc? |
| 16:50.51 | babilen | I recommended the netinstall one with firmware from http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/wheezy_di_rc1/ -- You need CD1, DVD1 or so if you want the installer. The CD1, DVD1 images /do not/ contain firmware though |
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| 16:51.17 | babilen | boldfilter: ^^ DVD3 just can't work |
| 16:51.20 | shape | mtn: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current-live/i386/iso-hybrid/ This is the site, shoudl I check the list and package files then? |
| 16:51.25 | vrkalak | shape, there is a #debian-live channel on /OFTC |
| 16:51.26 | babilen | boldfilter: I have no idea why you thought that DVD3 would work. |
| 16:51.40 | boldfilter | I assumed that was a build number |
| 16:51.47 | mtn | shape: might be quicker than waiting for someone here that knows what is on the disk |
| 16:51.56 | babilen | shape: That comes with Gnome IIRC |
| 16:51.59 | subthalamus | boldfilter: grab the modem firmware and drop it on your usb after catting the dvd1 image to it |
| 16:52.35 | babilen | boldfilter: No, the entirety of the DVD set contains /all/ packages in Debian. DVD1 is the first (and so on) -- You can download everything you need /during/ the installation though if you use the netinstall image. |
| 16:52.45 | babilen | dpkg: tell boldfilter -about installer firmware wheezy |
| 16:52.55 | petn-randall | boldfilter: The DVD/CD set contain all debian packages sorted by popularity. Everything but the first image isn't bootable. |
| 16:53.07 | shape | mtn: I see, thing is I'm new to linux and I get lost in those huge lists :( |
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| 16:53.23 | shape | mtn: heck it's only 280MB I guess might as well get it and see |
| 16:53.32 | babilen | boldfilter: You can, however, also use DVD1 and install from there (but you download much more than you need, CD1 should be enough) -- But then, why download something that might be outdated if you can download the actual packages with the netinstall. |
| 16:53.54 | petn-randall | shape: if you want to install debian I'd recommend the netinstall. |
| 16:53.59 | mtn | shape: I would look at the list. de's should be pretty obvious. but try and see works,too. :) |
| 16:54.08 | babilen | boldfilter: I would either use the netinstall with firmware or CD1 and manually install firmware later. |
| 16:54.29 | boldfilter | true |
| 16:54.36 | shape | petn-randall: I want to get a live CD first and see how I like it :) |
| 16:54.57 | babilen | boldfilter: So, in short: Just use the netinstall |
| 16:55.03 | boldfilter | Allright |
| 16:55.22 | wolfmitchell | It seems that I am not able to boot the debian wheezy netinst installer D: |
| 16:55.32 | wolfmitchell | now still at grub |
| 16:55.41 | boldfilter | you say # cp debian.iso /dev/sdc/ |
| 16:55.43 | wolfmitchell | after selecting install |
| 16:55.47 | petn-randall | shape: A live CD will only give you a glimpse at Debian DEs, since there are more DEs available in Debian than there are live CDs. But it's probably enough for a first glimpse :) |
| 16:55.50 | babilen | wolfmitchell: Which one did you download exactly and how did you create it? |
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| 16:56.18 | wolfmitchell | babilen, debian-testing-i386-netinst.iso |
| 16:56.29 | babilen | boldfilter: Yes, that copies the installer to /dev/sdc (assuming that is your USB stick, and assuming debian.iso is firmware-wheezy-DI-rc1-amd64-netinst.iso ) |
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| 16:56.53 | shape | petn-randall: Yeah, definitely :) |
| 16:56.55 | wolfmitchell | I put it on via wodim -eject -tao speed=1 dev=/dev/sg1 -v -data debian-testing-i386-netinst.iso |
| 16:56.59 | babilen | wolfmitchell: I would recommend to use RC1 ... that looks like a daily without firmware that might or might not work. |
| 16:56.59 | shape | mtn: Thanks for the help btw! |
| 16:57.10 | petn-randall | boldfilter: minus the trailing slash: cp debian.iso /dev/sdc |
| 16:57.10 | mtn | shape: welcome and enjoy |
| 16:57.21 | boldfilter | Allright |
| 16:57.22 | babilen | wolfmitchell: I have no idea if the current dailies or weeklies work or which version you downloaded there. |
| 16:57.33 | dimitry7 | guys, how do I delete a suscriber from a mailman mailing list??. Thanks! |
| 16:57.50 | petn-randall | boldfilter: make sure /dev/sdc *really* is your USB stick though, otherwise you'll thrash your HDD. |
| 16:57.53 | babilen | wolfmitchell: Get the RC1 from http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/wheezy_di_rc1/ -- Why are you installing i386 and not amd64 ? (just curious) |
| 16:57.57 | wolfmitchell | babilen, I'll just download a stable netinst and upgrade to wheezy... |
| 16:58.10 | wolfmitchell | babilen, 32 bit machine |
| 16:58.15 | boldfilter | lol that wouldsuck |
| 16:58.18 | petn-randall | dimitry7: you can find all that out from the man pages. |
| 16:58.22 | wolfmitchell | it's from the 90s... |
| 16:58.23 | babilen | wolfmitchell: Ok, grab the i386 installer then. That should work. |
| 16:58.27 | wolfmitchell | laptop I got for free |
| 16:58.32 | babilen | should™ that is :) |
| 16:58.47 | boldfilter | Iso is downloading now |
| 16:59.13 | babilen | wolfmitchell: Would you mind trying the RC1 -- We make no promises about the dailies and weeklies. They might or might not work, but I know that the RC1 one worked for a bunch of people. |
| 16:59.26 | boldfilter | Coming from ubuntu |
| 16:59.32 | wolfmitchell | mmk |
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| 17:00.14 | dimitry7 | petn-randall, I have already read them thats why I am here! this is my command # echo "john.liman@aaamerica.comm.mx" | remove_members -f - gerencia |
| 17:00.18 | dimitry7 | and it does nothing. |
| 17:00.38 | wolfmitchell | owait |
| 17:00.41 | wolfmitchell | just remembered |
| 17:00.47 | boldfilter | Thanks |
| 17:01.04 | wolfmitchell | I added the ISO to a grub4dos setup, but it did not work as it was looking for a CD |
| 17:01.20 | wolfmitchell | so lets see if it works since I have a CD now |
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| 17:01.53 | somiaj | hmm, when I aptitude -f install it wants to install two libs, libblas3gf liblapack3gf, and I can't figure out why. When I do aptitude why I get http://paste.debian.net/243734/, but I don't even see it as a recomended, but a depend of a suggested package. |
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| 17:01.56 | petn-randall | dimitry7: Don't let us guess then. You last statement has nothing to do with the one before. |
| 17:01.57 | somiaj | (This is wheezy) |
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| 17:02.40 | dimitry7 | petn-randall, any ideas? |
| 17:02.51 | petn-randall | dimitry7: Also be more specific: Is there any output? Error? In 99% of the cases actually a command actually does something, but just not what the user wants. |
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| 17:03.49 | wolfmitchell | babilen, found my issue. In the 'Check the CD-ROM(s) integrity' thing, it says /install.386/gtk/initrd.gz is invalid |
| 17:04.04 | wolfmitchell | erm, does not match the md5 |
| 17:04.38 | dimitry7 | # echo "john.liman@aaamerica.comm.mx" | remove_members -f - gerencia |
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| 17:04.52 | dimitry7 | it shows no output and doesnt return the prompt |
| 17:04.54 | boldfilter | Allright trying it brb |
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| 17:05.07 | boldfilter | cp to usb etc |
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| 17:06.36 | dimitry7 | petn-randall, are you following? |
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| 17:07.48 | petn-randall | dimitry7: What, doesn't return the prompt? |
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| 17:08.31 | petn-randall | dimitry7: so you have to press ^C to abort it? |
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| 17:10.07 | dimitry7 | petn-randall, yes, exactly. |
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| 17:10.31 | petn-randall | somiaj: you must have marked those packages as 'pending to install' some time before. Just start aptitude, ^T and then 'cancel pending actions'. |
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| 17:11.30 | petn-randall | dimitry7: sounds like echo isn't piping STDOUT to remove_member's STDIN, but rather waiting for input from your prompt. |
| 17:11.42 | petn-randall | dimitry7: If you do the command and press ^D, does it exit cleanly? |
| 17:12.43 | dimitry7 | petn-randall, I did ^D and it doesn't exit. Until I do ^Z. And I also entered the email in the input but nothing happens either. |
| 17:13.02 | petn-randall | dimitry7: ^Z backgrounds it, that's not what you want to do. |
| 17:13.19 | dimitry7 | petn-randall, I know. |
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| 17:15.02 | petn-randall | dimitry7: I don't really know what the problem is. I'd double-check that the commandline is right. |
| 17:15.21 | petn-randall | right = exactly as you pasted it here. |
| 17:15.39 | petn-randall | dimitry7: You might have more luck in #mailman |
| 17:15.53 | petn-randall | dimitry7: sorry, I couldn't help any more :/ |
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| 17:16.07 | dimitry7 | petn-randall, I have already talked to them but no one answers in the room |
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| 17:17.43 | dimitry7 | petn-randall, don't worry, It's Ok, thank you. |
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| 17:20.48 | dimitry7 | petn-randall, could you see this please?: http://pastebin.com/jt8C3Qjq |
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| 17:20.56 | wolfmitchell | hm... when I try to use wodim to put an image onto a CD: http://znc.wolfmitchell.com:7777/nukixugoqo |
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| 17:22.14 | wolfmitchell | brb |
| 17:24.11 | wolfmitchell | back |
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| 17:35.46 | vlt | Hello. How can I get rid of kernel messages flooding my tty1? |
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| 17:47.39 | msl09 | hi all |
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| 17:47.59 | msl09 | I want to help with the rc bug squashing |
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| 17:48.23 | petn-randall | msl09: sweet :) |
| 17:48.25 | msl09 | is this http://people.debian.org/~vorlon/rc-bugsquashing.html the most up to date guide? |
| 17:49.26 | petn-randall | msl09: don't know if it's the most current guide, but it's still current and valid from flying over it. |
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| 17:51.29 | firstguest | playing with celestia in wheezyrc1, can't build, breaks on zlib; please advise? |
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| 17:52.08 | msl09 | thanks petn-randall |
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| 17:53.20 | firstguest | aptitude shows zlib by way zlibg1, but that doesn't enlighten me as it ought |
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| 17:54.49 | jelly-home | firstguest: which version are you trying to build? |
| 17:54.52 | jelly-home | ,v celestia |
| 17:54.54 | judd | Package: celestia on i386 -- squeeze: 1.6.0+dfsg-2; sid: 1.6.1+dfsg-2; wheezy: 1.6.1+dfsg-2 |
| 17:55.41 | firstguest | starting from a fresh download of celestia-1.6.1 from upstream |
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| 17:56.06 | firstguest | source, celestia-1.6.1.tar.gz |
| 17:56.09 | jelly-home | firstguest: is there a reason to why the packaged one isn't sufficient? Have you installed the build-deps? |
| 17:56.54 | firstguest | jelly-home: I'm just doing QA stuff; control keys are broken different in celestian-gnome and celestia-glut on rc1, so I thought I'd assign myself a homework task of building it with the gtk |
| 17:57.26 | firstguest | happy for /any/ handholdinng I can get |
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| 17:58.58 | jelly-home | firstguest: for a start, you need to install all the development libraries and headers. |
| 17:59.15 | firstguest | doh; really am over my head; thanks much |
| 17:59.32 | firstguest | suggest aptitude over synaptic? or not matter? |
| 17:59.37 | jelly-home | !tell firstguest about deb-src |
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| 17:59.41 | jelly-home | !tell firstguest about build-dep |
| 17:59.42 | firstguest | for greenhorn like me? |
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| 18:00.24 | jelly-home | firstguest: you might also read /msg dpkg source |
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| 18:00.43 | firstguest | jelly-home: thanks for the clues, truly :) |
| 18:00.44 | boldfilter | Netinstall is downloading env now |
| 18:00.46 | boldfilter | Working so far |
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| 18:02.21 | dimitry7 | petn-randall, are you there man? |
| 18:02.25 | dimitry7 | need some help |
| 18:02.34 | canolucas | can anybody help me with a kolab issue? i need to administrate domains separately depending on the admin user used to login (don't see users of other domains) |
| 18:02.42 | canolucas | using kolab2 from squeeze |
| 18:02.56 | firstguest | just occurred to me I should double-check my keyboard layouts in each front end... |
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| 18:08.44 | dimitry7 | petn-randall, ese man, are you there? |
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| 18:11.38 | giuseppe__ | hi, i want to remove gnome DE, without unless dependences mate |
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| 18:12.09 | petn-randall | dimitry7: Please don't ask to ask, just post your question here. |
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| 18:15.18 | msl09 | The RC bug list contains several bugs that are described as closed |
| 18:15.27 | msl09 | why are they there? |
| 18:16.22 | petn-randall | msl09: maybe there's just closed in unstable, and waiting for migration to testing? |
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| 18:19.24 | msl09 | petn-randall: How do I tell? For instance why is this still listed http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?archive=no&bug=660520 |
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| 18:19.44 | Rapp | hi everybody |
| 18:19.51 | Rapp | what's the crda for? |
| 18:20.53 | petn-randall | Rapp: you could greatly improve your question by giving a little context ... |
| 18:21.10 | Rapp | what does the debian package crda do? |
| 18:21.39 | Rapp | even more context: using a raspberry pi with raspbian and a wifi adapter. the kernel complains all the time saying "cfg80211: Calling CRDA to update world regulatory domain" |
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| 18:22.01 | Rapp | so i looked for crda, and there's a debian package for that. but i haven't got it installed. so i wonder: do i need that? |
| 18:22.40 | petn-randall | Rapp: Different countries have different regulations which frequencies are legal to use. Apparently with crda you can configure which country you're in and then the wireless will adhere to the restrictions. |
| 18:23.12 | Rapp | hmm |
| 18:23.21 | petn-randall | Rapp: For example, on 802.11b/g, in Japan the channels go up to 14. In most parts of EU and US it's illegal to operate your wifi on this channel. |
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| 18:24.07 | petn-randall | Rapp: though, no idea if the package is needed, or obsolete, or up-to-date (don't have any experience with that) |
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| 18:24.35 | petn-randall | msl09: hmm. Should be closed in wheezy. Where are you getting your RC list from? |
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| 18:25.03 | dimitry7 | petn-randall, I know the rules |
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| 18:25.12 | dimitry7 | I think this is a bug |
| 18:26.09 | dimitry7 | i passed: $ /usr/lib/mailman/bin/remove_members -f name.txt gerencia |
| 18:26.15 | dimitry7 | and it stays waiting for input. |
| 18:26.39 | tallest_red | Is there no way to view back-scrolling from the grub console view? |
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| 18:26.47 | tallest_red | I can't seem to shit-pageup |
| 18:26.48 | inf_l00p | /buffer 2 |
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| 18:28.00 | converge | I need to set up a basic firewall on my business, is it a good idea use something like a rasperry pi firewall to control 20 computers ? |
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| 18:28.51 | MrBIOS | no :) |
| 18:29.16 | Rapp | petn-randall: i guess the crda message is probably only a side effect. i am suspecting my router to be a little bit strange. my laptop is also losing wifi association rather often |
| 18:29.23 | converge | MrBIOS: because of the low capacity ? |
| 18:29.27 | MrBIOS | right |
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| 18:30.08 | D-Boy | I have always used debian as a 'GUI-LESS' environment for my servers (still using windows as my desktop), i want to experiment with debian on my laptop, should i use squeeze (as my servers) or wheezy ? |
| 18:30.13 | MrBIOS | I'd recommend using something like a router with DD-WRT, openwWRT, or similar |
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| 18:30.26 | D-Boy | (with gui this time) |
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| 18:33.23 | dawud | D-Boy: I'd use wheezy, personally |
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| 18:37.38 | D-Boy | dawud : not squeeze + backports ? |
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| 18:38.09 | petn-randall | D-Boy: wheezy is ready enough for the desktop. It's been tested far longer than the latest Ubuntu release. |
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| 18:38.43 | petn-randall | D-Boy: I'd just not install it on a server yet, since it doesn't (yet) get the kind of security support stable gets. |
| 18:38.55 | D-Boy | petn-randall : it's a laptop (dell latitude d620) but i presume it's almost the same thing as a desktop |
| 18:39.25 | petn-randall | dimitry7: Sounds like a bug. Take it up with the mailman people. |
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| 18:39.41 | petn-randall | D-Boy: counts towards desktop to me :) |
| 18:39.48 | D-Boy | petn-randall : yep, it's more to see if i'll get used to use it for my today job ^^ |
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| 18:40.30 | petn-randall | D-Boy: Also, newer chipsets on desktop/laptops will work better with wheezy, since it has a newer kernel. Stable's 2.6.32 is "ancient" on the consumer market timescale. |
| 18:40.52 | D-Boy | this laptop is a 2006 release |
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| 18:41.21 | petn-randall | D-Boy: oh well, I guess the kernel thing doesn't make a difference then. But you'd still get more current software. |
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| 18:42.49 | D-Boy | okey, but squeeze on servers and wheezy on my laptop, can't I get lost between the 2, or there isn't much difference when doing tasks ? |
| 18:43.27 | petn-randall | D-Boy: If you want Lost you'd have to buy the DVDs ;) |
| 18:43.32 | wjtaylor | So I'm just learning about HPA and how bad this thing is for RAID. How can I find out the size of a disk w or w/o HPA ? |
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| 18:44.08 | D-Boy | petn-randall : No, til they changed the end, I think i had enough of LOST :) |
| 18:44.53 | petn-randall | D-Boy: really depends on what you want to do. |
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| 18:45.31 | peterrooney | D-Boy: you can expect significant differences between the two. |
| 18:45.38 | D-Boy | petn-randall : getting started with debian the GUI way, replacing my windows with it after |
| 18:45.40 | petn-randall | wjtaylor: wikipedia has that covered: hdparm -N /dev/sdX |
| 18:46.06 | msl09 | petn-randall: I getting my RC list from here http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/debian/main.html |
| 18:46.07 | wjtaylor | cool... I'm on wikipedia Host_protected_area now. |
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| 18:47.14 | wjtaylor | Does anyone know of any other HPA vendors out there? I have Gigabyte using the last 2113 sectors and I've heard dell does it as well, but haven't confirmed how much space they take. |
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| 18:48.11 | petn-randall | D-Boy: Well, my workflow on servers hardly overlaps with mine on a desktop machine. So I'd guess you'd there's not much you'd learn from one side you could use on the other. |
| 18:48.47 | petn-randall | D-Boy: my desktop is mostly point and click, using the gui and a GUI editor for programming. On my servers I connect via SSH and work on the console. |
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| 18:49.25 | petn-randall | D-Boy: but in a broader sense, the general principles of Linux transcend release versions :) |
| 18:49.35 | D-Boy | petn-randall : yeah, that's also my case. so Wheezy it is :D |
| 18:49.50 | D-Boy | i see RC1 |
| 18:49.55 | petn-randall | msl09: maybe it didn't get tagged as fixed yet, I'm not sure why it's still listed. |
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| 18:50.47 | peterrooney | petn-randall: tell that to the network-manager folk. or look at the ipconfig / ip fiasco |
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| 18:52.12 | dawud | peterrooney: what is that thing about ip/ipconfig? can you provide a pointer to read further? |
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| 18:52.20 | petn-randall | msl09: wait, that's a list of *all* RC bugs, not just in testing. And that bug is still in stable. |
| 18:52.37 | petn-randall | peterrooney: not sure what you mean. Tell what to the network-manager folks? |
| 18:52.41 | peterrooney | dawud: ipconfig is deprecated. Or is being deprecated. Or is ill advised. |
| 18:52.55 | petn-randall | peterrooney: ipconfig is windows ... |
| 18:52.55 | dawud | peterrooney: you mean ifconfig |
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| 18:53.29 | dawud | peterrooney: well, it is a fact that ip is a better tool |
| 18:53.32 | peterrooney | petn-randall: "general principles of Linux" |
| 18:53.45 | peterrooney | dawud: sorry, yes, I did mean ifconfig |
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| 18:54.37 | dawud | peterrooney: http://inai.de/2008/02/19 |
| 18:54.51 | dawud | peterrooney: old but still good reading |
| 18:55.02 | dawud | s/good/worth |
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| 18:55.07 | petn-randall | peterrooney: I was more thinking of 'file systems are mounted at a mount point', '[almost] everything is represented as file', etc. |
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| 18:55.33 | petn-randall | peterrooney: where's the fiasco? ifconfig is deprecated, ip is more flexible, both still work on current systems. |
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| 18:57.08 | petn-randall | (within the design limitations of ifconfig/route/etc., which ip gets rid of) |
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| 18:58.44 | peterrooney | petn-randall: sure, both work. when's the debian project going to switch over? Is it going to? inquiring minds want to know. |
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| 18:59.03 | Dv0rak | hi! can somebody tell me if wheezy for amd64 is supposed to take 3 dvd's? because I have found iso images on live.debian.net of wheezy for amd 64 that take 1 gb in space. Can somebody tell me why is there a difference in disk space between that website and the debian official website? |
| 18:59.14 | dondelelcaro | peterrooney: switch over? |
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| 18:59.16 | dawud | peterrooney: I don't use ifconfig at all |
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| 18:59.38 | dondelelcaro | peterrooney: what would need to switch over? Things that use ip, depend on it. You can install either. |
| 18:59.40 | dawud | peterrooney: meaning: you don't have to |
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| 19:00.03 | HellMind | I can't delete a file as root, i can set it 777 but I cant delete it?, whats wrong? |
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| 19:00.28 | petn-randall | peterrooney: 'apt-get purge net-tools'. You "switched over". Thank me later. ;) |
| 19:00.33 | HellMind | Its like its half romounted :S |
| 19:00.49 | dondelelcaro | HellMind: what does rm -f foofile; output? |
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| 19:01.18 | Towzzer | -f outputs nothing even if the file isn't there |
| 19:01.25 | dupa | remove |
| 19:01.46 | HellMind | rm -f wordpress-3.4.2-es_ES.zip rm: cannot remove `wordpress-3.4.2-es_ES.zip': Permission denied |
| 19:01.46 | peterrooney | Perhaps I'm just cranky from not enough sleep last night. I was shocked to find out earlier this year that it's been over a decade since ifconfig was updated, and have seen nothing in install documentation mentioning it. |
| 19:02.07 | dupa | HellMind: sudo rm -rf |
| 19:02.16 | HellMind | dupa im root |
| 19:02.27 | zykotick9 | HellMind: what filesystem (fat / ntfs perhaps) is this file on? |
| 19:02.30 | dupa | chmod 755 wordpress* |
| 19:02.30 | bezaban | This is off topic for here, but someone might know. I have an application that reports the local MAC of the machine it is running on. I've noticed something that looks like a pattern with invalid clients reporting a 00:FF oui (mac vendor). The IEEE oui list does not have 00:FF listed, is it safe to assume that the MAC add. has been modified or am I missing somethign? |
| 19:02.47 | dondelelcaro | HellMind: and you're doing that as root? what filesystem is this? what does lsattr wordpress*.zip; output? what does /proc/mounts; say for this filesystem? |
| 19:02.57 | HellMind | dupa i did 777 and its the same :( |
| 19:03.07 | dondelelcaro | the permissions don't matter if you're root. |
| 19:03.11 | dupa | lsattr wordpress* |
| 19:03.16 | HellMind | root@tiamat:/var/www/clients/client3/web3# lsattr wordpress*.zip ------------------- wordpress-3.4.2-es_ES.zip ------------------- wordpress-seo.1.2.8.7.zip |
| 19:03.20 | bezaban | so 1) How authorative is the IEEE list of OUI and 2) Might there be a reason for using unassigned MAC addresses? |
| 19:03.39 | HellMind | its ext3 |
| 19:03.47 | dupa | chattr +e wordpress* |
| 19:03.49 | dondelelcaro | HellMind: I need to see the full output. |
| 19:03.49 | bezaban | or 3) Anyone know a good place to ask :) |
| 19:04.24 | HellMind | http://pastebin.com/Vddg3MuR |
| 19:04.34 | dondelelcaro | bezaban: it's either been modified, or it's a card which randomly assigns itself a mac address |
| 19:04.41 | dondelelcaro | bezaban: there are some cards out there which do that |
| 19:04.50 | dupa | HellMind: < dupa> chattr +e wordpress* |
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| 19:05.18 | HellMind | root@tiamat:/var/www/clients/client3/web3# chattr +e wordpress* root@tiamat:/var/www/clients/client3/web3# rm -f wordpress-3.4.2-es_ES.zip rm: cannot remove `wordpress-3.4.2-es_ES.zip': Permission denied |
| 19:05.20 | bezaban | dondelelcaro: that is useful. However if it was completely random I don't think I would be seeing this as starting a pattern. I will get more data. |
| 19:05.29 | dupa | hmm |
| 19:05.38 | bezaban | I think it's a specific piece of software modyfing the clients |
| 19:05.41 | petn-randall | peterrooney: Everything that doesn't actively break something, and still gets maintained usually stays in Debian. |
| 19:05.49 | dupa | you are not in read only? |
| 19:05.50 | dondelelcaro | bezaban: they won't be completely random, because that would possibly conflict with another manufacturer |
| 19:05.50 | bezaban | dondelelcaro: thanks! :) |
| 19:05.52 | HellMind | and its like this directory only |
| 19:05.55 | wolfmitchell | I need a cron job for apt-get update and apt-get purge |
| 19:05.57 | wolfmitchell | erm |
| 19:05.59 | dondelelcaro | bezaban: but yeah, it could also be another software; hard to say |
| 19:06.06 | bezaban | dondelelcaro: oh right, so might be a card that's decided on that that range |
| 19:06.10 | dupa | HellMind: can you give me access over ssh? |
| 19:06.11 | petn-randall | peterrooney: It's one of Debian's strengths. If you're accustomed to ifconfig, you can still use it, even though it's been deprecated for the last 10 years. |
| 19:06.16 | wolfmitchell | whatever the command is to clear old .dpg files |
| 19:06.19 | HellMind | dupa, noo I can write in ~ |
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| 19:06.26 | HellMind | dupa root :S? |
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| 19:06.36 | stew | bezaban: the first three octets indicate the manufacturer. I would expect the first three to remain constant |
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| 19:06.47 | stew | wasn't foredeth the one that randomly changed mac? |
| 19:06.56 | dupa | HellMind: I am debian consulant and maitainer |
| 19:06.58 | dupa | whatever |
| 19:07.00 | stew | dpkg: forcedeth mac |
| 19:07.01 | dpkg | If you're using the <forcedeth> driver and your network card keeps changing its name each time (eth0, then eth1, then eth2, etc), ask me about <udev mac>, remove all but one entry, and replace the MAC address with "00:00:6c:*". |
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| 19:08.00 | stew | giving some random person on irc ssh access is not a good idea |
| 19:08.00 | dondelelcaro | wolfmitchell: you mean apt-get clean? |
| 19:08.02 | petn-randall | HellMind: you've got a weird system. Sure you're not in a fakeroot environment or something? |
| 19:08.21 | HellMind | nop, its a xenserver vps |
| 19:08.37 | HellMind | I will reboot, like in windows :P |
| 19:08.52 | wolfmitchell | yeah |
| 19:09.26 | Dakota | stew, Lol. Agreed. |
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| 19:10.07 | rabbieth | uh... not about #debian, but still. do you guys know how to deny on master server zone caching to other servers? i mean configure named so for a specific domains all client would have to directly ask the master server |
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| 19:13.25 | danols_work | is it possible to use SYMLINKS in cron.daily I keep finding conflicting results on the web and I personally could never get it to work |
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| 19:13.54 | daemon | hey all im having trouble installing a driver for my video card |
| 19:13.55 | bezaban | Is there a valid format of MAC addressed or can anything be appended to the vendor assigned first 3 octets? Ie. a control digit |
| 19:14.02 | daemon | its an ATI HD 6770 |
| 19:14.08 | bezaban | not found anything about it on google, so guessing no |
| 19:14.21 | dondelelcaro | bezaban: anything can be appended that is hexadecimal |
| 19:14.30 | daemon | I have installed pretty much every driver there is for it; the opensource one; the closed source .. aticonfig just says 'no supported adapters' |
| 19:14.32 | bezaban | dondelelcaro: thanks again. : |
| 19:14.33 | bezaban | :) |
| 19:14.38 | dondelelcaro | rabbieth: just set a small ttl. |
| 19:14.50 | dondelelcaro | rabbieth: but you'll always get recursion |
| 19:14.52 | peterrooney | danols_work: symlinks must have root ownership. |
| 19:15.06 | bezaban | I see how a mac doesn't really need that |
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| 19:15.34 | rabbieth | dondelelcaro: ok, thanks :) |
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| 19:18.12 | daemon | anyone able to offer a quick bailout |
| 19:18.19 | daemon | I wanted to use this box for bitcoin mining |
| 19:18.36 | danols_work | is it possible to use SYMLINKS in cron.daily I keep finding conflicting results on the web and I personally could never get it to work |
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| 19:19.05 | dondelelcaro | danols_work: yes |
| 19:19.13 | dondelelcaro | danols_work: you can check it yourself if you want, too |
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| 19:19.49 | dondelelcaro | danols_work: see run-parts --test and run-parts --list |
| 19:20.17 | dondelelcaro | danols_work: and frankly, even if symlinks didn't work, you can always have a stub which just does #!/bin/sh exec foobarbaz |
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| 19:29.13 | petn-randall | daemon: Just saying, mining bitcoins with that machine won't even cover the electricity bill ... |
| 19:29.38 | petn-randall | daemon: AFAIR aticonfig only works with the closed-source drivers. |
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| 19:30.34 | canolucas | hi. i'm working with several debian servers. does anyone know of an app to put a text in the desktop background, without having to create an image and change the background image? |
| 19:31.08 | jimcooncat | conky? |
| 19:31.09 | canolucas | i need to label the servers and such an app would be great |
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| 19:31.22 | canolucas | that would work hehe |
| 19:31.27 | canolucas | jimcooncat, thanks |
| 19:31.43 | jimcooncat | canolucas: I haven't used it, just seen screenshots |
| 19:31.56 | petn-randall | canolucas: you have a desktop environment installed on a server? |
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| 19:32.22 | dokma | I've just created an logical volume on a radi1 field with a missing disk |
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| 19:32.25 | canolucas | petn-randall, yes, it is needed. |
| 19:32.28 | dokma | my original system was on sda1 |
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| 19:32.33 | linuxG1rL | hello |
| 19:32.37 | dokma | the lv is on sdc |
| 19:32.44 | canolucas | petn-randall, the server has enough memory and processing power |
| 19:32.51 | dokma | grub picks it up after an grub-update and I get an entry in the menu |
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| 19:33.00 | dokma | but when I select it to boot it just boots the old system |
| 19:33.04 | petn-randall | canolucas: I always steer clear from shops like that D: (really just my strong opinion, though) |
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| 19:33.10 | dokma | let me pastebin my grub.cfg |
| 19:33.40 | petn-randall | dokma: also paste 'cat /proc/mdstat' and the output of pvs, vgs, and lvs :) |
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| 19:33.51 | jimcooncat | I don't like desktops on my servers, but I do run some server software on my desktop! |
| 19:33.55 | dokma | I just think I might have figured it out |
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| 19:34.16 | dokma | when I tell it to boot from the lv the lv has grub.cfg as well that points it to the old system |
| 19:34.24 | dokma | let me update the new one and try a reboot |
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| 19:35.13 | petn-randall | dokma: you should be using UUIDs everywhere, by the way. |
| 19:35.15 | canolucas | note that i don't use gnome or kde on the servers, just xfce4 |
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| 19:35.26 | dokma | I do |
| 19:35.33 | petn-randall | dokma: good :) |
| 19:36.07 | dokma | what was that mount line that allowed me to rebind /dev /proc and the like into a chroot |
| 19:36.21 | dokma | so I can run update-grub2 from a chroot in the lv ?? |
| 19:36.31 | dokma | mount --bind ?? |
| 19:36.44 | petn-randall | dokma: the man page is your friend, but yes. |
| 19:38.09 | dokma | it doesn't detect the lvm on raid system from chroot |
| 19:38.17 | dokma | I've bound dev sys and proc |
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| 19:39.09 | dokma | does it have to be mounted to find it? |
| 19:40.01 | danols_work | dondelelcaro you sir are amazing!!! the run-parts --test thing |
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| 19:42.29 | petn-randall | dokma: pasting the things I asked for will greatly improve on me being able to help. |
| 19:43.22 | dokma | petn-randall: unfortunatelly my peeps are on my back to go to the cinema |
| 19:43.29 | dokma | will continue later |
| 19:43.34 | dokma | thanks for your time |
| 19:44.17 | petn-randall | dokma: no probs, have fun :) |
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| 19:49.29 | LordShiva | dokma if you chroot on /mnt than it would be mount --bind /dev /mnt/dev |
| 19:50.05 | dondelelcaro | danols_work: heh. You might want to read man run-parts; and probably also should check out /etc/crontab |
| 19:50.14 | dondelelcaro | danols_work: since that's what actually ends up calling cron.daily |
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| 19:51.15 | halva | When gnome3.6 will arrive to testing? |
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| 19:52.30 | petn-randall | halva: After the wheezy release. |
| 19:53.01 | halva | Ha ok |
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| 19:55.41 | halva | And when it will release? |
| 19:56.18 | rww | when it's ready |
| 19:56.25 | rww | (probably a month or two) |
| 19:56.33 | petn-randall | (or more) |
| 19:56.42 | rww | (hence "probably") |
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| 19:57.02 | halva | Ok |
| 19:57.03 | petn-randall | (but surely after duke nukem forev...damnit) |
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| 19:57.19 | petn-randall | s/after/before/ |
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| 20:24.34 | monod | heeeello |
| 20:24.38 | Towzzer | hi |
| 20:24.46 | monod | apt-get install git gives me "cannot authenticate: git rsync. Install anyway? (y/N)" message.. what could I do? |
| 20:25.03 | Towzzer | sure |
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| 20:25.10 | dardevelin | heyia everyone |
| 20:25.10 | Towzzer | bad keys maybe? |
| 20:25.19 | Towzzer | hi dardevelin |
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| 20:25.28 | dardevelin | can someone point me out the dev channel ? |
| 20:25.44 | dardevelin | Towzzer, hi, how are you ? |
| 20:26.08 | petn-randall | monod: do an 'apt-get update' before, check for error messages. |
| 20:26.32 | nut_ | good evening |
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| 20:26.39 | monod | I don't know how to handle keys, Towzzer. It is a foreign topic to me atm. :( petn-randall, ok thanks, trying it now... |
| 20:27.13 | petn-randall | monod: I guess you added a non-debian repo to /etc/apt/sources.list? |
| 20:27.31 | nut_ | anybody has an idea how i can debug an freshly created image with lb, it boots and works out of the box with qemu if i do it headless ... if a dd packagelist gnome-core it boots till gnome desktop logo appears but window manager seems not to load |
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| 20:27.37 | monod | petn-randall, yes it could :( ... |
| 20:27.53 | nut_ | *add |
| 20:28.04 | monod | petn-randall, but at times I need to do that to use some software... for example, i2p, skype... |
| 20:28.20 | petn-randall | monod: which repo did you add? |
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| 20:28.43 | monod | petn-randall, I'm sorry, but I don't know.. Because it was a lot time ago |
| 20:28.44 | petn-randall | monod: for skype you just install the .deb from the website. No need to add a whole repo for that. |
| 20:28.55 | monod | but I'm willing to learn, so please tell me how can I check it |
| 20:28.59 | monod | oh |
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| 20:29.15 | linuxG1rL | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pl3NeKv13AI |
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| 20:29.24 | monod | petn-randall, are .deb self-extracting and self-installing? |
| 20:29.35 | petn-randall | monod: could you site-paste the output of 'cat /etc/apt/sources.list', and any file under /etc/apt/sources.list.d/*, please? |
| 20:29.53 | petn-randall | monod: yea..no. You install it with dpkg. |
| 20:29.57 | monod | petn-randall: because I'm at the point that I do not know how to really install programs either than typing apt-get install... |
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| 20:30.34 | monod | oh, ok. I'll look for dpkg guides before questioning you that ;) |
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| 20:30.50 | monod | also, site-paste coming son |
| 20:30.51 | monod | soon |
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| 20:33.35 | monod | petn-randall, http://pastebay.com/1192078. PW via PM |
| 20:34.09 | monod | no files under /etc/apt/sources.list.d |
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| 20:35.28 | boldfilter1 | Thank you Debian for not enabling natural scrolling |
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| 20:48.57 | oktokie | I've just installed debian linux minimal from net-install cd and having trouble ssh into the box from outside of the server's subnet. |
| 20:49.44 | oktokie | I can ssh from 10.5.2.110 to 10.5.200.1(server) fine, however, ssh from 10.5.201.1 to the server get following error. |
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| 20:50.22 | petemc | oktokie: can the machine you're trying to ssh to ping outside of the subnet? |
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| 20:51.08 | oktokie | yes |
| 20:51.17 | oktokie | here is the output from 10.5.201.1 |
| 20:51.18 | oktokie | OpenSSH_5.5p1 Debian-6+squeeze2, OpenSSL 0.9.8o 01 Jun 2010 |
| 20:51.18 | oktokie | debug1: Reading configuration data /etc/ssh/ssh_config |
| 20:51.18 | oktokie | debug1: Applying options for * |
| 20:51.18 | oktokie | debug2: ssh_connect: needpriv 0 |
| 20:51.18 | oktokie | debug1: Connecting to 10.5.2.200 [10.5.2.200] port 22. |
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| 20:52.31 | oktokie | I used command ssh -vvv root@10.5.2.200 |
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| 20:53.14 | mutante | oktokie: people did not see the actual error now because you were kicked for flooding |
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| 20:53.57 | petn-randall | oktokie: Use a site to post the output. |
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| 20:54.34 | petn-randall | monod: please refrain from pasting stuff like that in secret, there's no sensitive information in that file. |
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| 20:54.39 | ionixjunior | If anyone here is from Argentina, please contact me. Thank you. |
| 20:55.03 | monod | petn-randall, oh okay, I wasn't sure |
| 20:55.04 | petn-randall | monod: downside is that only I can fix your problems, everyone else is excluded from helping. |
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| 20:55.19 | monod | awright |
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| 20:55.31 | oktokie | what's the good site to post messages? |
| 20:55.38 | oktokie | like codes/debug output |
| 20:55.50 | petn-randall | oktokie: pastie.org |
| 20:56.01 | jpinx | oktokie: paste.debian.net |
| 20:56.17 | petn-randall | oktokie: most people here don't like pastebin, but every site is better than pasting into the channel :) |
| 20:56.20 | oktokie | jpinx: thanks. |
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| 20:57.59 | petn-randall | monod: btw, did apt-get update fix your problem? |
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| 21:00.04 | monod | petn-randall, nope.. |
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| 21:02.20 | ellic | Hail Gay Satan |
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| 21:02.46 | Cultist | quick question, when the dpkg bot says that a driver was introduced in a certain kernel version, that refers to the vanilla kernel, correct? Not a modified Debian kernel? |
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| 21:03.11 | oktokie | when I try to ssh from outside of subnet, I get this error http://pastie.org/7084178 |
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| 21:03.40 | Cultist | oktokie, probably hitting the router and it isn't forwarding |
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| 21:05.02 | oktokie | Cultist: hem....so there could be the routing issues... |
| 21:05.05 | rattatoue | Is Debian Testing a rolling release? |
| 21:05.45 | zophy | we don't allow trolling |
| 21:06.13 | rattatoue | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:06.55 | mutante | http://release.debian.org/ |
| 21:07.20 | zophy | testing gets updated very often, right now i think it's frozen for feature additions |
| 21:07.31 | zophy | everything gets updates |
| 21:08.00 | rattatoue | Okay that is what I wanted to know. Thank you. |
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| 21:08.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | ratta... |
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| 21:12.22 | oktokie | thanks guys, figured it out |
| 21:12.41 | oktokie | there was a workstation with the same ip! |
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| 21:26.14 | toxster | when running debian mini.iso guided partitioning i get /usr/sbin/grub-setup: warn: This msdos-style partition label has no post-MBR gap; embedding won't be possible!. grub install failed. Grub2 is satans work |
| 21:26.36 | mutante | msdos-style is too |
| 21:26.56 | toxster | yeah but mobo cant boot gpt |
| 21:26.58 | toxster | :/ |
| 21:27.56 | toxster | but one would think that when using guided partitioning, the installer should take care of it no? |
| 21:29.08 | mutante | toxster: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/GRUB2#msdos-style_error_message ? |
| 21:29.32 | mutante | toxster: virtual machine? https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?pid=581760#p581760 |
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| 21:31.24 | toxster | mutante: no, bare metal |
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| 21:31.30 | matlock | ok |
| 21:31.34 | matlock | so i have this ongoing problem |
| 21:31.41 | matlock | that's not a problem in windows |
| 21:31.49 | toxster | also get this: error: embedding is not possible, but this is required for cross-disk install. |
| 21:31.52 | matlock | but is a problem in debian and pretty much linux in general |
| 21:32.00 | matlock | my right click misclicks when i click it |
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| 21:32.20 | matlock | like, if i right click in a terminal, it opens a new terminal without me selecting the menu item for it |
| 21:32.24 | mutante | toxster: sry, dunno :p |
| 21:32.34 | matlock | linux doesn't know how to ignore the misclicks |
| 21:32.37 | matlock | but windows runs fine |
| 21:32.42 | matlock | why does linux not have this functionality |
| 21:33.16 | matlock | I've gone through two mice now and this is the third one to have it happen |
| 21:33.17 | toxster | matlock: whaddya mean misclick, you clicked by mistake or it clicks by itself? |
| 21:33.24 | matlock | it clicks by itself |
| 21:33.28 | matlock | like i right click once. |
| 21:33.39 | mutante | totally depends on the terminal and the window manager and whatnot.. |
| 21:33.39 | matlock | it opens and closes the menu |
| 21:33.46 | matlock | no |
| 21:33.51 | matlock | it's totally a hardware thing |
| 21:33.55 | matlock | i swap mice |
| 21:33.57 | matlock | it doesn't happen |
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| 21:34.03 | matlock | i go back to this mouse, it happens |
| 21:34.23 | mutante | uh, interesting, usb or ps/2 |
| 21:34.35 | matlock | windows seems to understand that mice wear out... i don't get why linux doesn't |
| 21:34.38 | matlock | usb |
| 21:34.40 | matlock | can't ps/2 |
| 21:35.15 | petn-randall | toxster: usually the installer leaves the first MB free on the disk for grub, you sure you didn't use custom partitioning? |
| 21:35.36 | mutante | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:35.44 | matlock | yes |
| 21:35.49 | toxster | petn: first i used custom, then after all else failed, i resorted to guided just to get the machine up |
| 21:35.50 | matlock | i swap to a known good mouse |
| 21:35.54 | matlock | it doesn't happen |
| 21:36.00 | toxster | first partition starts at 2048 |
| 21:36.00 | matlock | i swap back to this or the other two mice |
| 21:36.02 | matlock | it happens |
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| 21:36.22 | petn-randall | monod: can you paste the output of 'apt-key list' and 'apt-cache policy git'? Both output is ok to share with everyone :) |
| 21:36.50 | monod | ok, pastes coming soon via site-paste |
| 21:36.50 | toxster | ./dev/sdb1 * 2048 19531775 9764864 83 Linux |
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| 21:37.17 | petn-randall | toxster: you sure you're installing grub to the right disk? |
| 21:37.25 | petn-randall | toxster: grub2 easily fits in there. |
| 21:37.28 | toxster | petn-: yupp |
| 21:37.48 | petn-randall | toxster: you can use tab for completion, btw. 'petn' doesn't highlight me. |
| 21:37.48 | mutante | matlock: you could try restarting USB, maybe you have /etc/init.d/usb or like this: http://davidjb.com/blog/2012/06/restartreset-usb-in-ubuntu-12-04-without-rebooting/ |
| 21:37.51 | matlock | i've looked into it both times it happened before, and it actually reads two clicks |
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| 21:38.45 | toxster | petn-randall: ok, i chrooted into /target and ran grub-install /dev/sdb -> Installation finished. No error reported. |
| 21:38.52 | toxster | bug in installer |
| 21:39.01 | matlock | so .... a reboot should fix it then by those 'you could trys' |
| 21:39.07 | matlock | right? |
| 21:39.12 | matlock | because i've been down this road |
| 21:39.20 | matlock | nothing fixes it but a new mouse |
| 21:39.23 | monod | petn-randall, here it comes! http://pastebay.com/1192089 |
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| 21:39.45 | matlock | and i'm not spending another 30 dollars for an issue that linux should account for |
| 21:39.52 | matlock | windows does |
| 21:40.00 | toxster | reboot pending, lets see, system if remote so i might be screwed :D |
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| 21:40.09 | toxster | s/if/is |
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| 21:40.37 | petn-randall | toxster: D: |
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| 21:40.54 | mutante | my mouse doesn't cost 30 dollars and never saw such issues. good luck |
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| 21:41.19 | toxster | matlock: tried different distros/drivers etc? |
| 21:41.26 | petn-randall | matlock: 30 dollars? So your debian install kills mice? Interesting. |
| 21:41.33 | matlock | A DIFFERENT MOUSE FIXES IT |
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| 21:42.18 | toxster | so use another mouse, there is probably some driver specialized for handling your mouse in windows, in linux it appears not |
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| 21:42.38 | matlock | "your mouse" just so happens to be |
| 21:42.44 | matlock | A an HP standard usb mouse |
| 21:42.53 | matlock | B a logitech usb wireless nano mouse |
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| 21:43.01 | matlock | and now C. a cm storm spawn mouse |
| 21:43.23 | petn-randall | matlock: and how does windows distinguish between a 'misclick' and a geniune click? Mind-reading? |
| 21:43.37 | petn-randall | This is getting more interesting to the minute! |
| 21:43.42 | matlock | idk |
| 21:43.48 | toxster | damn, box did't come back up |
| 21:43.50 | matlock | all i know is in windows the problem doesn't happen |
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| 21:44.03 | toxster | must have had it set in bios to boot from /dev/sda, gg |
| 21:44.08 | matlock | but debian, ubuntu, knoppix, slax, and fedora all have the same issue |
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| 21:45.15 | matlock | oh |
| 21:45.19 | matlock | and never hearing about it... |
| 21:45.20 | matlock | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-input-evdev/+bug/365300 |
| 21:45.23 | matlock | open since 2009+ |
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| 21:47.54 | petn-randall | matlock: but that's unrelated, since your problem is that you right click, and windows knows when you misclick, whereas Linux doesn't, right? |
| 21:48.15 | matlock | no |
| 21:48.21 | matlock | that bug is related |
| 21:48.28 | matlock | i don't understand how it couldn't be unrelated |
| 21:48.34 | matlock | *could be |
| 21:48.40 | matlock | i right click once |
| 21:48.47 | matlock | debian sees two right clicks |
| 21:48.53 | matlock | that's my issue |
| 21:49.04 | matlock | confirmed on 3 mice now |
| 21:49.09 | matlock | doesn't happen on a fourth |
| 21:49.25 | jpinx | dirty mice |
| 21:49.32 | jpinx | contacts |
| 21:49.36 | petn-randall | matlock: punctuation is your friend, btw. |
| 21:49.37 | jpinx | happens to me a lot |
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| 21:50.24 | dondelelcaro | matlock: it's probably debounce or similar. |
| 21:50.30 | dondelelcaro | matlock: what type of mice are these? |
| 21:50.36 | matlock | one's an hp mouse |
| 21:50.45 | matlock | one's a logitech wireless nano |
| 21:51.01 | matlock | and one's a cm storm spawn 300 dpi gaming mouse |
| 21:51.23 | matlock | and the one that it doesn't happen on is another logitech wireless nano mouse |
| 21:51.28 | dondelelcaro | matlock: are they USB mice? or what? |
| 21:51.46 | matlock | as i stated before (sorry if you didn't see it) yes, usb |
| 21:51.47 | dondelelcaro | matlock: you should also check what is being sent through /dev/input/mice |
| 21:52.34 | matlock | and how do i go about this.. |
| 21:53.53 | dondelelcaro | matlock: http://letsmakerobots.com/files/pythonmouse.txt for example |
| 21:54.31 | matlock | umm. |
| 21:54.33 | matlock | okay |
| 21:54.40 | matlock | i'll just install windows, k thx bai |
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| 21:55.53 | mmnicolas | wow |
| 21:56.57 | toxster | such a killer feature for having windows. |
| 21:57.13 | toxster | wow, windows rulez!! |
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| 22:03.03 | mmnicolas | well, it's right-click.. kind of important |
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| 22:05.43 | john_rambo | I want to disable the screensaver in sfce. How do I do that? |
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| 22:15.54 | truexfan81 | i disabled the screensaver in xfce, now unless i leave that control panel running i can't lock my screen :/ |
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| 22:35.37 | HellMind | how can I undelete files :( |
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| 22:36.17 | dondelelcaro | HellMind: generally speaking, you use backups. |
| 22:37.28 | HellMind | arghh |
| 22:37.44 | dondelelcaro | !undelete |
| 22:37.45 | dpkg | Linux doesn't generally support 'undeleting' files. For ext2fs *only*, use mc (Midnight Commander), umount the filesystem, and select "Undelete files" from menu. For ext3fs, ask me about <ext3grep>. With reiserfs, jfs, xfs, you're SooL. Some desktops (GNOME/KDE) offer a trash bin. See also <photorec>, <fatback>. |
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| 22:39.19 | HellMind | !ext3grep |
| 22:39.20 | dpkg | ext3grep is a tool to assist in recovering deleted files from an <ext3> filesystem. http://code.google.com/p/ext3grep/ http://carlo17.home.xs4all.nl/howto/undelete_ext3.html |
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| 22:40.32 | sbyrne | Is there a "Debian Way" to build a newer kernel in unstable? |
| 22:41.17 | HellMind | undeleting is too complex :( |
| 22:41.19 | HellMind | damn |
| 22:41.42 | dondelelcaro | sbyrne: yes, but it's often easier to just grab one of the kernels from experimental |
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| 22:42.11 | floyin | My friend and I are having trouble gettin multiarch setup on his machine. He is running wheezy, and ran dpkg --add-architeture i386, apt-get update, and apt-get install ia32-libs. The only thing that fails is the ia32-libs. It says "unable to locate package" |
| 22:42.14 | sbyrne | dondelelcaro: Ah. I did not know about expermintal. Perfect. Thank you. |
| 22:42.36 | dondelelcaro | sbyrne: no problem |
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| 22:42.53 | dondelelcaro | floyin: there aren't any ia32-libs any more. |
| 22:43.11 | floyin | dondelelcaro: I read that it was a translational package |
| 22:43.11 | dondelelcaro | floyin: you just install the libraries you need from the actual i386 architecture |
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| 22:43.39 | floyin | dondelelcaro: Okay, we tried that with "apt-get install libncurses5:1386", and it was also unable to find it. |
| 22:43.52 | floyin | I'm on my Sid machine, and it worked for me though |
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| 22:44.11 | dondelelcaro | floyin: does your friend have an i386 sources.list entry? |
| 22:44.18 | dondelelcaro | err, scratch that. |
| 22:44.44 | dondelelcaro | floyin: has your friend run apt-get update; ? what does apt-get show ia32-libs-i386; show? |
| 22:44.48 | floyin | we tried with and with "deb [arch=amd64,i386] http...... |
| 22:45.00 | dondelelcaro | floyin: you don't need the arch bit. |
| 22:45.01 | floyin | dondelelcaro: I'll try the apt-get show command |
| 22:45.07 | ea | Hello, I have two hard disks - old and new, one laptop. Old hard disk has failed, but I have access to the list (dpkg -l) to the packages installed there. Is there an easy way to install the same packages on the new hard disk without the need to type in every and each package name with apt-get? |
| 22:45.09 | floyin | okay, we'll strike that |
| 22:45.22 | dondelelcaro | floyin: the output of apt-cache policy; will also be useful |
| 22:45.30 | dondelelcaro | ea: yes. |
| 22:46.16 | dondelelcaro | !tell ea -about debian clone |
| 22:46.24 | ea | dondelelcaro, thank you!! |
| 22:46.33 | dondelelcaro | ea: you can also use that list of packages with aptitude, or even apt-get if you want |
| 22:46.49 | floyin | dondelelcaro: apt-get or apt-cache? apt-cache says "can't select versions from package 'ia32-libs-1386' as it purely virtual" |
| 22:47.15 | dondelelcaro | floyin: apt-cache. Most likely apt-get update; hasn't been run. What's the output from apt-cache policy; ? |
| 22:48.37 | dondelelcaro | floyin: but basically what you're seeing is that for some reason, you don't have any i386 sources. |
| 22:48.38 | floyin | dondelelcaro: we ran apt-get update numerous times. Output of "apt-cache show ia32-libs" shows output though...running apt-cache policy; now |
| 22:48.57 | dondelelcaro | floyin: yeah, there is a transitional package which depends on ia32-libs-i386, which is only on i386. |
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| 22:51.06 | floyin | dondelelcaro: http://pastebin.com/cdW5NWNM |
| 22:51.09 | floyin | that's the output |
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| 22:51.44 | dondelelcaro | floyin: nice; that looks fine. |
| 22:53.12 | dondelelcaro | floyin: and dpkg --print-foreign-architectures; gives you i386, right? |
| 22:53.12 | floyin | dondelelcaro: yeah, it matches what my output is |
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| 22:53.40 | floyin | dondelelcaro: yep |
| 22:53.43 | dondelelcaro | floyin: ok. |
| 22:54.09 | dondelelcaro | floyin: and apt is a relatively new version too, like 0.9.7.7? |
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| 22:54.57 | dondelelcaro | floyin: and do you see any output in apt-cache policy ia32-libs-i386; ? |
| 22:55.21 | floyin | dondelelcaro: Oh! its apt 0.8.10.3 |
| 22:55.35 | dondelelcaro | floyin: yeah, that'd do it. |
| 22:55.49 | floyin | dondelelcaro: so just apt-get install apt? |
| 22:55.53 | dondelelcaro | floyin: probably hasn't completely upgraded to wheezy yet |
| 22:56.18 | dondelelcaro | floyin: yeah, and then complete the wheezy upgrade, then it'll probably "just work"™ |
| 22:56.28 | floyin | dondelelcaro: he just said he installed from squeeze and upgraded |
| 22:56.43 | dondelelcaro | yeah; he may not have run apt-get dist-upgrade; |
| 22:56.45 | floyin | dondelelcaro: I just had him do a dist-upgrade |
| 22:56.51 | floyin | dondelelcaro: yep, he didn't |
| 22:56.57 | dondelelcaro | coo |
| 22:57.01 | dondelelcaro | s/oo/&l/ |
| 22:58.38 | floyin | dondelelcaro: Thanks for the help! |
| 22:59.04 | dondelelcaro | floyin: no problem; glad it was something fairly simple. |
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| 23:00.33 | CrunchyChewie | is there a fix for the font width bug with XFT in rxvt-unicode-256? |
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| 23:01.11 | dondelelcaro | CrunchyChewie: if there is, it'd be in the bug report. |
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| 23:01.58 | CrunchyChewie | dondelelcaro: all I can seem to find is a patch file that was rigged from Arch's AUR that was rejected by upstream |
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| 23:03.26 | census | Hi! I believe I just installed a VirtualBox in which I'm running debian. I installed some modules with cpan. I have some code that I wrote in perl on my wnidows machine. How may I run it? |
| 23:03.28 | floyin | dondelelcaro: Everything is working now, thanks again |
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| 23:03.54 | census | i used to do a command prompt window in windows |
| 23:04.06 | census | and I would cd into to the directory in which the file is located. then type perl filename.pl. I want to know what the analogue is for Oracle VirtualBox |
| 23:04.46 | CrunchyChewie | census: Virtualbox is just a virtualization platform, if you are wanting to run the code in the Debian guest you will need to SCP the file over and then SSH into the VM |
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| 23:05.08 | HellMind | I found the bakcup :D |
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| 23:05.58 | census | I just cpanned a whole lot. |
| 23:06.27 | census | How might I be able to SCP the file? And how might I then SSH into the VM? |
| 23:06.50 | CrunchyChewie | do you have putty on your windows machine |
| 23:07.03 | CrunchyChewie | actually you probably want cygwin |
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| 23:08.46 | CrunchyChewie | http://www.cygwin.com/ |
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| 23:09.16 | census | ok. i don't think i have that. should i download it? |
| 23:09.36 | CrunchyChewie | well we aren't going to get very far if you don';t |
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| 23:17.32 | CrunchyChewie | census: any updates? |
| 23:17.52 | census | i mean i think i'm in debian already. |
| 23:17.55 | census | my prompt says perlwindow@debian:~/share$ |
| 23:18.06 | census | i picked perlwindow for my username |
| 23:18.18 | CrunchyChewie | just scp the file over from windows then |
| 23:18.37 | CrunchyChewie | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secure_copy |
| 23:18.51 | CrunchyChewie | pretty good instructions there on syntax/usage |
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| 23:20.44 | CrunchyChewie | brb |
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| 23:25.31 | nutron | just did a reboot in wheezy after updating to 3.2.0-4 linux image. Now when I plug in my external hard drive nothing is reported in dmesg. |
| 23:25.42 | nutron | Is this a bug? Do I need to load a module? |
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| 23:26.21 | somiaj | nutron: try lsusb first, do you at least see it there? |
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| 23:26.48 | nutron | No not at all, sorry I should've mentioned that I already did that. |
| 23:26.49 | dimitry7 | Hi guys! how can I see if a user exists on a mailing list without using something like this: |
| 23:26.56 | nutron | It was running fine before reboot. |
| 23:26.58 | dimitry7 | $ list_members gerencia | grep hilary |
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| 23:27.35 | nutron | I feel it spin up when I plug it back into the usb port. |
| 23:27.35 | dimitry7 | yogurt se dice nos vemos! |
| 23:28.46 | nutron | Hrrm, my mouse is detected, my das keyboard under lsusb. But as soon as I plug in the hard drive or my phone. Nothing... |
| 23:28.58 | guardian234 | Hello, for someone who has been using Ubuntu, what are the drawback that I might encounter if I decide to switch to Debian Squeeze? Are the Debian repositories as big as Ubuntu's? I tried searching on google Debian vs Ubuntu but couldnt find much satisfactory info. |
| 23:29.08 | nutron | Maybe my front ports magically fried. |
| 23:29.11 | nutron | \o/ |
| 23:29.39 | nutron | Uhh, nevermind, both devices receive power... |
| 23:29.42 | dimitry7 | guardian234, Debian is infinitely better than Ubuntu |
| 23:30.18 | guardian234 | dimitry7: I see, but I want to understand/know why that is so before I make the change |
| 23:30.25 | nutron | guardian234: debian, is... linux imho. That and arch, the rest is well ... shit. |
| 23:30.43 | nutron | Driven by interests other than users.... |
| 23:30.49 | guardian234 | nutron: what about Gentoo? |
| 23:31.22 | nutron | guardian234: same ethos as debian and arch, simply a pain in the ass though. I used to run Gentoo ages ago, and found it crippling. |
| 23:32.20 | nutron | Hmm, to get the version of the kernel prior to this upgrade, ... think I can find it in snapshots? |
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| 23:32.35 | guardian234 | nutron: I understand, so what makes Debian better than Xubuntu or Kubuntu for example. This is a serious question because I am interested to see if it worth it to make the change. |
| 23:33.03 | zykotick9 | guardian234: your question is probably better suited to offtopic. debian is probably the best "free unix-like" enterprise grade software currently available. and it's community based! but ubuntu and debian are very different, going to "squeeze" will be like a step back in time coming from ubuntu ;) |
| 23:33.52 | guardian234 | zykotick9: so should I go for Sid or Wheezy? |
| 23:34.34 | zykotick9 | guardian234: those are both the development environments to the real debian IMO. debian "main" is the free universal OS IMO. installed from netinst ;) |
| 23:34.37 | nutron | I'd simply end the convo with the feeling that debian is driven by a community of extremely smart and qualified professionals. Ubuntu is... embarassing, much like when AOL connected to the internet. |
| 23:34.49 | ompaul | guardian234: if you have to ask then wheezy |
| 23:35.01 | dimitry7 | guardian234, Ubuntu has better GUI performance and interactivity. But for servers, debian is the most up-to-date option. |
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| 23:35.28 | luy_ | hi everyone! |
| 23:35.30 | guardian234 | What about drivers, are the same drivers/devices supporteD? |
| 23:35.46 | nutron | guardian234: yep |
| 23:35.53 | zykotick9 | guardian234: while i'm "all for stable" if you are to install now, use wheezy (exception that proves teh rule) |
| 23:36.38 | luy_ | anyone with ipsec expertise..? I can't ping one side of the tunnel and I'm getting crazy ;) |
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| 23:37.50 | guardian234 | zykotick9: so, to make it clear these "squeeze" and "wheezy" are base systems or entire OS flavors? As in, if i install with net install, does that mean I can get to choose from stable packages (i.e. iceweasel) and unstable packages (i.e. latest firefox) for example? |
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| 23:40.49 | truexfan81 | that reminds me i need to compile firefox on wheezy lol |
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| 23:42.07 | somiaj | guardian234: they are releases. the versions of packages (and actual packages) are fixed with the release you choose. since wheezy is almost stable it runs great, it is just low on security updates |
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| 23:42.35 | somiaj | guardian234: it also has newer version of packages. You do not want to install packages form one version (say unstable) on another (say stable). This is what a backport is |
| 23:43.06 | guardian234 | somiaj: Oh, I see. Thanks a lot for the info, much appreciated! |
| 23:43.18 | somiaj | truexfan81: why not just put a copy of the static linked firefox in $HOME |
| 23:43.55 | truexfan81 | running 32bit, everything runs faster when compiled |
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| 23:44.39 | somiaj | well yea static linked binares are a bit bigger, but I don't worry about the small speed difference |
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| 23:45.02 | MrMonkey1 | ok #debian let me ask you - web browser add-ons: perfectly ok, or rife with trouble? |
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| 23:45.16 | pfred1 | MrMonkey1 perfectly ok |
| 23:45.30 | somiaj | MrMonkey1: okay for the most part. You do have to worry if you trust the sorce you get it from though |
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| 23:45.45 | pfred1 | yeah well nothing is perfect |
| 23:46.08 | somiaj | just get them from offical sites |
| 23:46.17 | pfred1 | Iceweasel! |
| 23:46.54 | guardian234 | MrMonkey1: Depends which add-ons. Some add-ons can take up lots of memory, others can be malicious, etc. |
| 23:47.24 | pfred1 | is making this PC do all sorts of stupid tricks for Debian http://i.imgur.com/OjNG078.png |
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| 23:47.39 | andkore | anyone ever experienced a problem with xorg constantly having high CPU usage? |
| 23:47.43 | MrMonkey1 | ah alright that's more or less what I figured |
| 23:48.01 | guardian234 | MrMonkey1: which add-ons were you thinking of? |
| 23:48.02 | andkore | it'll be good for a while, and then I'll look at usage again and it'll be like 30% |
| 23:48.05 | pfred1 | andkore I'm at 38% CPU use for Xorg right now myself |
| 23:48.14 | andkore | yeah, but that's not normal |
| 23:48.28 | andkore | it'll be like 5%, and then something triggers and it jumps up to constant 30%+ |
| 23:48.29 | pfred1 | andkore I am stress testing this box |
| 23:48.35 | andkore | oh. how? |
| 23:48.40 | pfred1 | glxgears |
| 23:49.05 | andkore | I think this is a dual core laptop with 4 threads. it's taking up an entire thread |
| 23:49.17 | pfred1 | yup I'm pinning a thread |
| 23:49.29 | andkore | but I'm not running glxgears :P |
| 23:50.02 | pfred1 | run htop see what is using your resources |
| 23:50.23 | andkore | it's all X11 |
| 23:50.44 | pfred1 | are you running a compositing window manager? |
| 23:50.53 | andkore | yeah |
| 23:50.58 | pfred1 | well tehre you go |
| 23:51.03 | andkore | but it's fine for a while |
| 23:51.16 | andkore | I disable it and nothing changes |
| 23:51.32 | andkore | it's compton |
| 23:51.34 | andkore | on openbox |
| 23:53.26 | petn-randall | andkore: strap strace to it, and you'll know what it's doing. |
| 23:53.45 | andkore | petn-randall: thanks, I'll try that |
| 23:54.02 | petn-randall | andkore: but I bet it's because you got iceweasel running ads or something. |
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| 23:54.24 | andkore | the odd thing is, I can close everything and it's still the same |
| 23:54.27 | andkore | lemme test that again |
| 23:55.11 | andkore | now I have hexchat and htop open. that's it. still 30% |
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| 23:57.32 | petn-randall | andkore: well, but every time you check htop, it's refreshing the screen, right? |
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| 23:58.12 | andkore | petn-randall: yes. but cpu usage will be normal for a while. I could do all this after booting and it would be fine |
| 23:58.23 | andkore | it's just that something triggers and from that point on, it's 30% or more |
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| 23:59.53 | petn-randall | andkore: just tested it myself X was always <10% on an idle system, so it looks fishy. |
