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| 00:00.08 | andkore | yeah. I'm about to try strace |
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| 00:01.09 | g4mbit | hi, i seem to have some problems with my locale settings... could someone qry me for a minute? |
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| 00:01.50 | pfred1 | g4mbit I had to setup all of that locale stuff by hand with Gentoo it isn't hard |
| 00:02.08 | g4mbit | look what happens when i type umlaut: |
| 00:02.10 | g4mbit | äöäö |
| 00:02.12 | petn-randall | g4mbit: I recommend keeping it on the channel. That way everyone can chip in solutions and profit from solving the problem. |
| 00:02.25 | pfred1 | what is the matter? |
| 00:02.28 | petn-randall | g4mbit: they look fine to me. |
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| 00:02.33 | pfred1 | they are umlauts here |
| 00:02.40 | g4mbit | what..? i see them like this: |
| 00:02.46 | g4mbit | äöäö |
| 00:02.47 | petn-randall | g4mbit: a umlaut o umlaut, twice. |
| 00:03.06 | pfred1 | petn-randall well they did say that they were having problems |
| 00:03.11 | petn-randall | g4mbit: I think your terminal displays them wrong. I'm getting utf8 umlauts here. |
| 00:03.23 | pfred1 | yes use a unifont |
| 00:03.41 | pfred1 | aptitude search unifont then install that stuff and use it |
| 00:03.59 | g4mbit | petn-randall: okey o.O my bot is behaving weird too, other users cannot see umlauts and stuff too. maybe you just could take a look how you get those? |
| 00:04.14 | g4mbit | if you see them, then it is just my own problem |
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| 00:04.27 | pfred1 | g4mbit and use a uft-8 aware terminal too like urxvt |
| 00:04.43 | petn-randall | pfred1: what's your IRC client? |
| 00:05.09 | pfred1 | petn-randall irssi |
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| 00:05.38 | g4mbit | same here |
| 00:05.52 | g4mbit | aaaaah... maybe just a irssi related thingy |
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| 00:07.18 | soapee01 | Howdy: d-i keeps throwing untrusted packages could compromise... and hangs. This is on a network install and a full CD-1. Checked clock (was on windows time instead of UTC), tried without mirrors as well. Any ideas? debian-6.0.7-amd64-CD-1.iso |
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| 00:07.42 | andkore | ok, lesson learned. don't try to attach strace to X11 when it's already running |
| 00:07.52 | g0dfrey | it seems that irssi in wheezy does not support ipv6 |
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| 00:08.10 | g4mbit | definetly irssi related |
| 00:08.13 | petn-randall | g4mbit: you need to set the encoding for your terminal. Irssi relies on whatever you set there. |
| 00:08.13 | g4mbit | thanks guys |
| 00:08.38 | andkore | what does ipv6 have to do with encoding? |
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| 00:09.07 | petn-randall | andkore: who said ipv6? |
| 00:09.21 | andkore | oh, godfrey. mixed it up |
| 00:09.28 | andkore | both of them were talking about irssi |
| 00:09.33 | petn-randall | :) |
| 00:09.38 | g0dfrey | petn-randall: i just tried it |
| 00:09.39 | andkore | hexchat ftw |
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| 00:11.39 | petn-randall | g0dfrey: check the release notes if it's an issue. |
| 00:11.51 | g0dfrey | petn-randall: ok |
| 00:11.58 | g4mbit | petn-randall:´echo $LC_CTYPE comes back empty |
| 00:12.02 | petn-randall | g0dfrey: though I'd probably guess that ipv6 isn't setup properly. |
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| 00:12.33 | g0dfrey | petn-randall: I'm using ipv6 here |
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| 00:13.26 | petn-randall | g0dfrey: and it works all the way to the repo mirror? |
| 00:13.51 | jak | Hi |
| 00:14.05 | Soru | Hello |
| 00:14.59 | jak | merpe |
| 00:15.00 | g0dfrey | petn-randall: yes...I can only access facebook via ipv6... |
| 00:15.41 | jak | NOaiclas |
| 00:15.55 | jak | WAT |
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| 00:17.13 | jak | كس |
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| 00:18.24 | g0dfrey | petn-randall: it woks now by "/set resolve_prefer_ipv6 on" |
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| 00:29.37 | wolfmitchell | 100% CPU usage, still no lag at all in debian .-. |
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| 00:40.31 | wolfmitchell | How would I get ps -aux to show the top 5 processes taking the most CPU? |
| 00:40.55 | dvs | wolfmitchell: Most people would use top |
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| 00:42.42 | rww | ps auxkcp | tail -n 5 |
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| 00:43.41 | rww | but yeah, I'd use top or htop instead personally. I had to go look that up in the manpage. |
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| 00:48.00 | yahbah | new debian version is out |
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| 00:48.28 | dvs | Really? |
| 00:49.02 | gnarface | lies! |
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| 00:49.12 | dvs | There hasn't been an announcement and there's still 81 release critical bugs. |
| 00:49.25 | msl09 | Continuing my series of questions about the RC bug list, why is this still listed: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?archive=no&bug=700809 |
| 00:50.15 | gnarface | yahbah: its just a release candidate for the installer, and its old news already. |
| 00:50.33 | yahbah | http://blog.linuxmint.com/?p=2346 |
| 00:50.58 | rww | dpkg: lmde |
| 00:50.58 | dpkg | Linux Mint is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Please use their forums at http://forums.linuxmint.com/ or join #linuxmint-help on irc.spotchat.org for support. Linux Mint is variously based on <Ubuntu> with a "Linux Mint Debian Edition" (LMDE) also available, based on <testing>. See also <based on debian>, <mintppc>. |
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| 00:51.21 | gnarface | yahbah: wrong |
| 00:51.43 | pfred1 | run Debian and stay true |
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| 00:51.45 | petn-randall | fail |
| 00:51.49 | yahbah | LMDE is debian done right |
| 00:51.55 | pfred1 | pfft |
| 00:52.22 | rww | Then please feel free to sit in #linuxmint-* on spotchat and do Debian "right" to your heart's content. We are quite happy to sit here and continue doing Debian "wrong", kthx. |
| 00:52.43 | gnarface | !ops yahbah remorseless evildoer |
| 00:52.43 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: gnarface complains about: yahbah remorseless evildoer |
| 00:53.02 | dvs | O_O |
| 00:53.15 | gnarface | dvs: (trolling) |
| 00:53.28 | dvs | ah |
| 00:53.35 | dvs | goes back to his lair |
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| 00:54.19 | pfred1 | if Debian wasn't the best Linux distribution going right now I would be running something else |
| 00:56.45 | yahbah | pfred1: its your own distro |
| 00:57.05 | yahbah | onless you didnt change anything after installing |
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| 00:57.17 | pfred1 | yahbah I mostly stay in repo so it is Debian |
| 00:57.33 | yahbah | even just chosing a password makes it a fork from pure debian |
| 00:58.02 | petn-randall | yahbah: sounds like you really know what you're talking about ... |
| 00:58.05 | yahbah | and dont even chage the wallpaper |
| 00:58.22 | yahbah | thats heresy |
| 00:58.26 | pfred1 | I still have the swirl on this desktop |
| 00:59.24 | pfred1 | yahbah http://i.imgur.com/OjNG078.png |
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| 00:59.43 | petn-randall | yahbah: last time I checked, forking involved deriving actual code. So mint only changes the wallpaper? |
| 00:59.53 | petn-randall | :] |
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| 01:00.09 | pfred1 | petn-randall mint does something that locks up a laptop I made the mistake of installing it on |
| 01:00.27 | pfred1 | I have to load pure Debian onto it when I find the time |
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| 01:04.31 | gnarface | i've noticed a steady improvement in the hardware compatibility of the stock debian kernels since 2006 |
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| 01:05.38 | pfred1 | I'm running an RTAI patched kernel on this box |
| 01:06.05 | pfred1 | Linux acnc 2.6.38.8.04 #5 SMP Fri Mar 22 18:28:09 EDT 2013 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 01:06.10 | dvs | gnarface: I still can't use my Ethernet NIC on this machine. |
| 01:06.47 | gnarface | dvs: that's a shame. atheros or broadcom? |
| 01:07.15 | pfred1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:07.20 | dvs | heh |
| 01:07.50 | dvs | gnarface: atheros |
| 01:07.50 | gnarface | pfred1: i like nvidia boards |
| 01:07.55 | pfred1 | I just love the name of my NIC's driver |
| 01:08.18 | dvs | I thought they were going all free firmware. |
| 01:08.33 | pfred1 | I am not running any globs |
| 01:08.37 | pfred1 | that i know of |
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| 01:09.13 | pfred1 | I plan on trying out nVidia's binary driver at some point though |
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| 01:10.04 | Sakara | Hi all I am looking to build two SMTP servers. I want to have some load-balancing and redundancy in the architecture. |
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| 01:10.42 | Sakara | I was going have names smtp1 and smtp2 and have a CNAME entry smtp point to smtp1 and smtp1. |
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| 01:11.10 | Sakara | Bind is not letting me define two CNAME. Its obivously not letting me do this for a reason. Is there a smarter way to do this? |
| 01:11.32 | pfred1 | Sakara pick a different name for the second server? |
| 01:11.49 | Sakara | ahh yes sorry typo |
| 01:11.53 | Sakara | they are smtp1 and smtp2 |
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| 01:12.28 | Sakara | bind is telling me "load failed: multiple RRs of singleton type" |
| 01:12.31 | petn-randall | Sakara: are those incoming or outgoing servers? |
| 01:12.39 | Sakara | Only for outgoing mail. |
| 01:12.46 | petn-randall | Sakara: because cname is 1:1 mapping. |
| 01:13.04 | pfred1 | Sakara there are a lot of kernel configuration options related to load balancing I don't know anything more about it though |
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| 01:13.33 | Sakara | yup I have just discovered that. :) is there a nice way to do it so that my users will alternatively get smtp1 or smtp2 when they send emails? |
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| 01:14.21 | petn-randall | Sakara: you can have two A records, though |
| 01:14.47 | Sakara | that would work I guess. |
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| 01:14.49 | petn-randall | Sakara: just keep the TTL low, so you can take one out if it (has to) go down. |
| 01:15.32 | Sakara | TTL is like 1 hour. I should probably bind that down to 5 minutes or something right? |
| 01:15.39 | Sakara | bring* |
| 01:16.08 | petn-randall | Sakara: if your DNS can handle it, sure. |
| 01:16.30 | petn-randall | Sakara: then again, if your DNS goes down, you'll only have 5 mins ... |
| 01:16.33 | Sakara | I am sure it will be ok ;) |
| 01:16.40 | Sakara | Thanks for your help. That was useful. |
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| 01:16.51 | petn-randall | Sakara: you're welcome, any time again :) |
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| 01:19.30 | CalicoJack | howdy |
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| 01:20.26 | CalicoJack | I am thinking of making the move from Ubuntu to pure Debian; I was wondering if there was a Debian equivalent to the ubuntu-restricted-extras package |
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| 01:22.38 | petn-randall | CalicoJack: I'm not aware of such metapackage in Debian, though most of the dependencies are in the Debian repos. |
| 01:22.38 | rww | It's just a metapackage most/all (I'm checking now) of the individual packages it depends on are in Debian. |
| 01:23.06 | petn-randall | CalicoJack: If you're looking for an equivalent for medibutu, there's deb-multimedia. |
| 01:23.52 | rww | looks like all. same package names too, apart from Flash |
| 01:23.55 | rww | dpkg: non-free |
| 01:23.55 | dpkg | [non-free] a component which contains software that does not comply with the <DFSG>. To add non-free packages to your packages index, ask me about <non-free sources>. To see which non-free packages are installed ask me about <non-free list>. For the non-free tracking system, see http://nonfree.alioth.debian.org/ |
| 01:24.12 | CalicoJack | dpgk non-free sources |
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| 01:24.25 | CalicoJack | dpgk: non-free sources |
| 01:24.36 | petn-randall | CalicoJack: it should be dpkg |
| 01:24.36 | CalicoJack | dpkg: non-free sources |
| 01:24.37 | dpkg | Edit /etc/apt/sources.list, ensure that the two main Debian mirror lines end with "main contrib non-free" rather than just "main", then aptitude update. But bear in mind that you'll be installing <non-free> software. These may have onerous terms; check the licenses. See also <sources.list>. |
| 01:24.38 | CalicoJack | lol |
| 01:24.55 | CalicoJack | that's helpful, thanks! |
| 01:25.02 | petn-randall | CalicoJack: you can also query dpkg and ask it to your heart's content. |
| 01:25.11 | petn-randall | CalicoJack: glad we could help, have fun :) |
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| 01:30.25 | pumtrix | Hi where could I find out the product id for my 3g dongle to run modeswitch? |
| 01:30.39 | pumtrix | It's a Huawei e392. |
| 01:30.54 | petn-randall | pumtrix: lsusb? |
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| 01:31.40 | pumtrix | doesn't show anything :[ |
| 01:31.54 | pumtrix | I'm not massively amazing at linux either. |
| 01:31.58 | pumtrix | hence the help lol |
| 01:32.10 | pumtrix | I am getting Bus 001 Device 004: ID 12d1:151a Huawei Technologies Co., Ltd. |
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| 01:32.30 | dvs | ,usbid 12d1:151a |
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| 01:33.48 | pumtrix | shouldnt it look something like "--product 0x1446" ? |
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| 01:37.51 | dvs | judd: usbid 12d1:151a |
| 01:38.14 | dvs | dpkg: usbid 12d1:151a |
| 01:38.14 | dpkg | i haven't a clue, dvs |
| 01:38.32 | petn-randall | pumtrix: you're using debian? |
| 01:39.13 | pumtrix | raspbarian, although I know it's forked off debain. |
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| 01:39.53 | pumtrix | I thought alot was the same tbh, I use debian on my vps. |
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| 01:42.51 | VanceX | Wasssup everyone, Conky fans, anyone know of a way to fade one color to another within the same character. |
| 01:43.00 | petn-randall | pumtrix: no idea really, but you can get vendor id from lsusb (-v) |
| 01:43.30 | pumtrix | thanks anyway petn-randall :-) |
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| 01:49.30 | VanceX | Sorry... Within conky, does anyone know a script trick to fade from one color to another but do so within the same character.... |
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| 02:04.11 | VanceX | K.... another question, anyway to transfer a "user's" account to "root" so when I login to root I have my familiar settings? |
| 02:05.46 | Tramp | VanceX: just copy the relevant dotfiles (should not be many, since you should not run many apps as superuser) |
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| 02:06.35 | VanceX | Tramp: New, any doc to show me how? |
| 02:06.43 | Ronis_BR | hi all, is there a way to undo an operations with apt-get? something like yum history undo? |
| 02:06.59 | petn-randall | VanceX: what "settings" do you want to use as root? |
| 02:07.31 | petn-randall | Ronis_BR: apt-get doesn't have an undo, you just reverse the action you did. |
| 02:08.06 | Ronis_BR | petn-randall: how? |
| 02:08.25 | petn-randall | Ronis_BR: instead of apt-get install you use apt-get remove. |
| 02:08.28 | VanceX | petn-randall: Netinstall with openbox stand alone. want to have my "root" with the same setup as user. |
| 02:08.31 | petn-randall | Ronis_BR: and vice-versa. |
| 02:08.34 | Tramp | VanceX: not that I know of. If in doubt, study the "FILES" section of the utility in question. |
| 02:08.43 | Ronis_BR | petn-randall: let say I will install XFCE, if I remove xfce, what will happen with dependencies? |
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| 02:09.12 | VanceX | Tramp: thanks |
| 02:09.17 | petn-randall | Ronis_BR: you can remove them with apt-get autoremove |
| 02:09.33 | Ronis_BR | petn-randall: is it reliable? |
| 02:09.35 | Tramp | VanceX: The questionis "Why?" It does not make sense to run most programs as superuser |
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| 02:10.17 | petn-randall | VanceX: you want to use (gk)sudo for most programs, anyway. |
| 02:10.26 | Tramp | VanceX: and even running the shell "the same way" as superuser and root is not recommended. There is a reason that root has # as default-prompt and a user has $ |
| 02:10.53 | petn-randall | VanceX: using root for everyday work defeats the purpose of having privilege separation. |
| 02:11.01 | VanceX | Tramp: I don't want to run same apps, just want the same environment |
| 02:11.06 | petn-randall | Ronis_BR: What do you mean? |
| 02:11.32 | Tramp | VanceX: and what is "environment" for you? |
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| 02:12.00 | VanceX | petn-randall: I understand |
| 02:12.13 | Ronis_BR | petn-randall: I remember when I used debian like 5 years ago, if you tried to remove orphaned packages, sometimes you ended with a broken system |
| 02:12.13 | VanceX | Tramp: Openbox |
| 02:12.29 | Tramp | ah. no idea what that is. |
| 02:13.40 | petn-randall | Ronis_BR: quite frankly, I've never observed this. Stuff needed to have the system run are marked as essential, to remove them you have to force apt-get. |
| 02:13.53 | petn-randall | Ronis_BR: Was the same 5 years ago, too, though. |
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| 02:14.11 | VanceX | I'm not explaining myself well.... Just want the same "look" with the same "menu" as I do as user.... I understand the root privilege. |
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| 02:14.16 | un214 | petn-randall: I have seen it |
| 02:14.31 | un214 | the cause is home-compiled software installed with make isntall breaks |
| 02:14.34 | petn-randall | VanceX: If you log into X with root you clearly haven't. |
| 02:14.46 | Ronis_BR | petn-randall: it wasn't autoremove, something like deborphan |
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| 02:15.51 | VanceX | petn-randall: If I log into root I get a very basic menu, no wallpaper ect..... |
| 02:16.16 | petn-randall | VanceX: doesn't matter. If you're using root to log into a gui, you're doing it wrong. |
| 02:17.21 | un214 | !wheezy |
| 02:17.21 | dpkg | The release following squeeze will be called "wheezy" (the rubber toy penguin with a red bow tie) and will be Debian 7.0. Wheezy was frozen on June 30, 2012. Ask me about <testing>, <freeze>. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianWheezy #debian-next on irc.debian.org. |
| 02:17.32 | petn-randall | VanceX: this isn't windows. There's absolutely no reason to do that. If you need superuser privileges, you fire up su/sudo, or for GUI applications, gksu/gksudo. |
| 02:17.35 | un214 | !jessie |
| 02:17.36 | dpkg | The release following wheezy will be called "jessie" (the cowgirl in Toy Story 2) and will be Debian 8.0. http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2012/07/msg00004.html |
| 02:17.55 | VanceX | petn-randall.... Not using ROOT for anything. Understand the Idea man.... just when I need too, would like the same environment as my user. |
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| 02:18.27 | un214 | VanceX: That's exactly what you don't want. |
| 02:18.45 | petn-randall | VanceX: If you're not using it for anything, you don't need it. |
| 02:18.45 | un214 | same enviornment as user results in loading the trojan you just got as uers as root |
| 02:19.24 | petn-randall | VanceX: firing up a single app with root is a lot easier than saving in all applications, logging out, logging in as root, starting the application, and all the way back. |
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| 02:20.01 | un214 | petn-randall: I'm sure this is beside the point, but I have a "switch user" on my K menu |
| 02:20.12 | VanceX | Perhaps the word environment is a bad choice... |
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| 02:20.39 | VanceX | I do understand what you folks are saying. |
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| 02:20.44 | petn-randall | un214: right, forgot about that :) |
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| 02:21.21 | staykov | hi, im setting up the nvidia driver with a customer kernel - http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers suggests that i should use module assistant to build the module |
| 02:21.34 | VanceX | It makes sense ... Thanks everyone |
| 02:21.37 | staykov | i dont really understand, dont i have to download and build from the nvidia site anyway? |
| 02:21.47 | petn-randall | VanceX: look into gksudo, it will do what you want :) |
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| 02:23.07 | VanceX | petn-randall: been using sudo. I get it and understand the protection built in. |
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| 02:38.18 | VanceX | Everyone: I do understand root privilege... built this system with help from Debian but still can't figure out why the option of login as root exists at SLIM? |
| 02:39.56 | VanceX | I mean, if the objective is to hide root as a GUI alternative why the option? |
| 02:44.37 | VanceX | Thats what I thought... |
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| 02:50.23 | epsilon | what's slim? |
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| 02:51.32 | rww | a login manager |
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| 02:52.51 | staykov | hi, im setting up the nvidia driver with a custom kernel - http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers suggests that i should use module assistant to build the module |
| 02:53.19 | staykov | but that looks pretty old, also module assistant cant seem to find my headers |
| 02:53.46 | staykov | so im wondering if i can still install the glx extensions after installing from the nvidia site |
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| 02:55.32 | shawnbon206 | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:56.36 | LtL | shawnbon206: no |
| 02:58.14 | shawnbon206 | maybe it might be smart to use that argument if i was using 3rd party repositories? i guess i dont understand why that option even exsists. i saw it in the man page for sources.list |
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| 02:59.10 | LtL | shawnbon206: possibly, but I highly advise not to use 3rd party repo's. |
| 02:59.41 | VanceX | epsilon: SLIM is a login manager |
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| 03:05.27 | headstrong | LtL: have you found something bad? |
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| 03:07.00 | LtL | headstrong: referring to? |
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| 03:09.58 | headstrong | LtL: 3rd party repos |
| 03:11.37 | LtL | headstrong: about 99 per cent of users using non-debian repositories result in broken system states. Use at you're own peril. |
| 03:11.51 | LtL | your* |
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| 03:13.23 | headstrong | non-debian? such as ubuntu? |
| 03:13.47 | LtL | headstrong: perfect example, yes.. absolutely insane. |
| 03:14.20 | headstrong | you can look inside a deb before you install it |
| 03:14.25 | shawnbon206 | i am getting a error when i update apt |
| 03:14.57 | LtL | headstrong: I'm aware of that. |
| 03:15.21 | headstrong | i installed debian deb files for my ubuntu. no errors. |
| 03:16.17 | LtL | headstrong: maybe that works on ubuntu, i wouldn't know. The reverse is simply a bad idea. |
| 03:16.33 | headstrong | ha, it's nothing to say? |
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| 03:17.08 | LtL | headstrong: sorry, i don't follow you there |
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| 03:17.34 | headstrong | i mean, this is common sense. |
| 03:18.11 | headstrong | an real user always know what can do and what can't be done |
| 03:18.25 | headstrong | s/know/knows |
| 03:18.50 | LtL | headstrong: ubuntu is 'based' on debian so they say. Debian is _not_ based on ubuntu, maybe therein lies the answer. |
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| 03:19.33 | headstrong | umm, debian is the mother of ubuntu |
| 03:20.09 | LtL | headstrong: I believe I alluded to that. |
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| 03:22.46 | shawnbon206 | hashsum mismatch error when updating apt is a server side thing? |
| 03:23.24 | LtL | shawnbon206: probably, try another mirror or wait until it syncs. |
| 03:24.03 | headstrong | LtL: non-chinese servers? |
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| 03:25.09 | eth0ghost | If you are in the states, the University of Texas ftp mirror is great. Just an fyi. |
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| 03:25.34 | LtL | headstrong: you're being a bit vague, i live in the states, i often use german mirrors. mirrors are just what the term implies (when all goes as planned) |
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| 03:26.11 | LtL | eth0ghost: appreciate the tip |
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| 03:26.43 | eth0ghost | How is everyone tonight btw? |
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| 03:26.55 | shawnbon206 | good, good |
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| 03:27.09 | headstrong | listen to heavy-metal musics |
| 03:27.28 | eth0ghost | Nice. I aam listening to hip hop. |
| 03:27.48 | LtL | off topic gentlemen :) |
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| 03:27.53 | eth0ghost | My fault =) |
| 03:27.54 | headstrong | "land of confusion" -- Disturbed, good song and good music video |
| 03:29.10 | headstrong | hip hop != a korean singer swings hands and head |
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| 03:32.49 | shawnbon206 | wtf does foo mean |
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| 03:33.43 | LtL | shawnbon206: it's a metaphor for x or y package, as in foo or bar |
| 03:33.57 | LtL | package/ccommand etc |
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| 03:34.09 | LtL | ack, command |
| 03:34.10 | shawnbon206 | lol okay i suspected that |
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| 03:41.24 | hanasaki | when do you use net-select vs apt-spy? |
| 03:41.32 | uwjesd | Hello. Where can I read up on how a script should look like that works with input from /etc/aliases? |
| 03:41.40 | dvs | hanasaki: I just use http.debian.net |
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| 03:42.15 | hanasaki | ? |
| 03:43.54 | LtL | hanasaki: you can use the address in your sources, it's a geographical round-robin mirror locator for optimal speed. |
| 03:45.29 | bezaban | <PROTECTED> |
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| 03:45.54 | vaillor | hi guys |
| 03:45.57 | bezaban | not that it matters: http://www.nrk.no/skole/klippdetalj?topic=nrk:klipp/320180 |
| 03:45.59 | vaillor | how to extract .tar.bz2 ? |
| 03:46.06 | vaillor | tar -xvf doesn't work |
| 03:46.21 | dvs | vaillor: tar -xjvf |
| 03:46.27 | bezaban | also in norwegian |
| 03:46.37 | boldfilter | Any dif between iceweasal and firefox |
| 03:46.45 | LtL | vaillor: tar -xvjf yeah what dvs said, he types too fast for me |
| 03:46.58 | vaillor | doesn't work the same |
| 03:47.03 | shawnbon206 | debian is awesome |
| 03:47.05 | LtL | boldfilter: only the trademark |
| 03:47.06 | bezaban | got a real 90s nerd in it |
| 03:47.16 | vaillor | tar (child): Error is not recoverable: exiting now |
| 03:47.16 | vaillor | tar: Child returned status 2 |
| 03:47.33 | vaillor | ftp://ftp.gnupg.org/gcrypt/libassuan/ |
| 03:47.38 | vaillor | this is the file |
| 03:47.40 | shawnbon206 | ubuntu was never needed if you ask me. i tried it first and tried debian second and i will never try ubuntu again. |
| 03:48.15 | boldfilter | Ubuntu is lame |
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| 03:48.47 | boldfilter | Guy banned me from #ubuntu for saying how I felt |
| 03:49.04 | vaillor | dvs, LtL, what do you think about? |
| 03:49.23 | amit` | boldfilter: Some of the ops only want topics about debian or linux. |
| 03:49.29 | dvs | vaillor: I don't see a tar file |
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| 03:49.43 | vaillor | ftp://ftp.gnupg.org/gcrypt/libassuan/libassuan-2.1.0.tar.bz2 |
| 03:50.00 | boldfilter | It was a heated difference of opinion ban |
| 03:50.05 | headstrong | boldfilter: it's normal. take easy. same operators are in debian and ubuntu for years |
| 03:50.19 | boldfilter | allright |
| 03:50.39 | amit` | boldfilter: Take it easy, they usually revoke ban after a few days or hours. |
| 03:50.43 | headstrong | boldfilter: just say no to the borg |
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| 03:51.11 | boldfilter | Whats borg |
| 03:51.32 | boldfilter | Are you guy my therapists |
| 03:51.44 | dvs | vaillor: work here |
| 03:51.46 | amit` | no idea what borg is |
| 03:52.14 | LtL | boldfilter: I believe borg is a reference to the film 'star wars.' |
| 03:52.14 | fateofme1 | Hello, I've installed Debian Wheezy net install and I didn't see an option to check a DE. After booting I get a tty1 console and after running "apt-get install xfce4" I get the error "Unable to locate package xfce4" |
| 03:52.15 | Datz | I don't think they much care for opinions in help rooms. |
| 03:52.37 | vaillor | dvs, maybe do i need to install wome kind of compression? |
| 03:52.48 | vaillor | *some |
| 03:53.01 | boldfilter | The film "Star Wars |
| 03:53.09 | boldfilter | I like how you said that |
| 03:53.27 | Datz | fateofme1: do a search for xfce, maybe the package name is wrong |
| 03:53.29 | fateofme1 | I have run apt-get update and I can ping google.com |
| 03:53.51 | fateofme1 | Datz: how can I do that? apt-cache search xfce ? |
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| 03:54.07 | dvs | vaillor: bzip2 should be installed |
| 03:54.10 | Datz | I think that is right, I use aptitude in general, so I'm not 100% |
| 03:54.27 | fateofme1 | Datz: I tried that and the command didn't return anything |
| 03:54.38 | boldfilter | I like debian so far. Its very smooth |
| 03:54.46 | LtL | vaillor: that file extracts here perfectly. |
| 03:54.54 | vaillor | ok |
| 03:55.41 | Datz | fateofme1: maybe run apt-get update? |
| 03:55.53 | fateofme1 | Datz: I have |
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| 03:57.27 | LtL | fateofme1: xfce4 - Meta-package for the Xfce Lightweight Desktop Environment |
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| 03:58.05 | fateofme1 | LtL: Yeah, and I get "Unable to locate package xfce4" |
| 03:58.23 | LtL | fateofme1: thats for squeeze, wheezy may be different, apt-cache search xfce4 and browse results. |
| 03:58.26 | Datz | checked /etc/apt/sources.list? |
| 03:58.46 | fateofme1 | LtL: Yeah, I've run that command and it returns nothing |
| 03:59.33 | MrMonkey1 | bold yet smooth: it's not upscale tobacco products, it's debian linux! |
| 03:59.33 | LtL | fateofme1: your /etc/apt/sources.list may need altering, append contrib and non-free optionally. then update |
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| 04:01.33 | LtL | MrMonkey1: and it's habit forming! |
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| 04:02.31 | fateofme1 | LtL: Damn, I have no idea what you just said. I'm a linux noob coming from Ubuntu :( "append contrib" << no idea. But I have used cat for that file and cand see deb <mirror I selected> |
| 04:03.24 | LtL | fateofme1: i've seen some installs of wheezy with a very minial sources.list. you may need to add a few lines |
| 04:04.16 | boldfilter | At least debian isnt trying to do some crazy shit |
| 04:04.46 | fateofme1 | LtL: so which lines should I add. You can just link me to some documentation so I won't waste much of your time. |
| 04:04.50 | boldfilter | As someone said "trying to reinvent the wheel" |
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| 04:05.52 | LtL | !tell fateofme1 about sources |
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| 04:06.39 | shawnbon206 | anyone here have any virtualbox experience? |
| 04:06.45 | LtL | fateofme1: be aware the message from dpkg rfers to squeeze, you need to use wheezy instead in your source lines. |
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| 04:07.06 | fateofme1 | LtL: I see |
| 04:07.21 | LtL | fateofme1: then apt-get update |
| 04:07.56 | shawnbon206 | LtL: btw i changed mirrors and it fixed it. in the process i got netselect-apt and found the fastest mirror :D |
| 04:08.21 | LtL | shawnbon206: epic win, great |
| 04:08.31 | vaillor | http://sprunge.us/IUKU |
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| 04:09.03 | shawnbon206 | arf arf arf arf |
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| 04:10.08 | fateofme1 | LtL: OMG, i just realized, when I nano'd the source.list that my source line was commendet out because "the installer failed to verify it" so I removed the "#" and ran apt-get update and IT WORKED |
| 04:10.14 | fateofme1 | Datz: Thanks for your help earlier btw |
| 04:10.31 | Datz | oh np bud, anytime |
| 04:10.39 | LtL | fateofme1: rock 'n roll :) |
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| 04:11.52 | fateofme1 | LtL: I actually learned something today. I know now where the repository links are :) (You see I want to learn linux in more depth and move away from Ubuntu, that's why installed debian :) |
| 04:12.03 | fateofme1 | LtL: Thanks a lot for your help, much appreciated. |
| 04:12.32 | LtL | fateofme1: your welcome, you'll find this channel is very useful. |
| 04:12.35 | Datz | welcome to the darkside |
| 04:12.42 | Datz | or some such |
| 04:13.00 | fateofme1 | haha XD |
| 04:13.33 | Datz | I'm not quite sure what I mean by that. I actually run both anyway. :) |
| 04:15.07 | dvs | !confuse fateofme1 |
| 04:15.07 | dpkg | Yes, what is my bacon today, fateofme1? Breeches of the Dictatorship of Belarus with extra crabpaste. |
| 04:16.13 | LtL | dvs: oh ye of 31337 factoid-fu ;) |
| 04:16.39 | dvs | wishes that judd would speak to him. |
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| 04:19.30 | LtL | dvs: is you're referring to the failed usbid check, i don't think judd does usbid's yet |
| 04:20.02 | dvs | Really? It didn't work for dpkg either |
| 04:20.28 | LtL | pretty sure |
| 04:20.52 | Seekanet | hey guys |
| 04:21.13 | Seekanet | is there a way i can backup my files/system without manually grabbing them via FTP? |
| 04:21.22 | Seekanet | or is that the norm? |
| 04:21.32 | dvs | rsync? |
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| 04:22.16 | Seekanet | im a noob dvs. no idea what rsync is. linuxquestions.org is just a mix of text on a forum all mashed into one. |
| 04:22.29 | Seekanet | atleast im admitting im a dumb noob |
| 04:22.30 | Seekanet | lol |
| 04:22.40 | dvs | !rsync |
| 04:22.41 | dpkg | well, rsync is a superior network file synchronization program. Handy for downloading a Linux kernel, e.g. rsync -avz --partial rsync.kernel.org::pub/linux/kernel/v2.6/linux-2.6.29.3.tar.bz2 /usr/local/home/peej/src/ Useful for backups as per http://www.mikerubel.org/computers/rsync_snapshots/ , see also <rsnapshot>. http://rsync.samba.org/ #rsync on irc.freenode.net. |
| 04:22.45 | dondelelcaro | Seekanet: I personally use obnam, but there's lots of other options |
| 04:22.55 | LtL | !tell Seekanet -about rsnapshot |
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| 04:23.25 | LtL | Seekanet: read msg from dpkg. |
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| 04:24.12 | LtL | checks out obnam |
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| 04:24.20 | Seekanet | ok thanks LtL. i will. |
| 04:24.41 | LtL | Seekanet: welcome, dondelelcaro, thanks |
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| 04:25.24 | LtL | Seekanet: rsync is very good also. |
| 04:25.44 | shawnbon206 | la |
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| 04:32.07 | VanceX | Thank god for google cuz getting help here is like pulling your own teeth |
| 04:34.15 | Seekanet | that isnt true vance |
| 04:34.17 | VanceX | TAKE this too heart.... problem Linux has is exactly this. you learn something then not give a fck about the next. |
| 04:34.19 | Seekanet | everytime i need help |
| 04:34.22 | Seekanet | they are here |
| 04:34.25 | Seekanet | everyone is to help |
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| 04:59.43 | meder | hi |
| 04:59.47 | shawnbon206 | can anyone help me interpret this lsmot output?? i am looking for a specific device and if its not there i plan on loading the driver |
| 05:01.01 | LtL | shawnbon206: lspci or lsusb would be the place to start i think. |
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| 05:01.32 | meder | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:01.39 | meder | what's the cmd to see the gfx chip again? |
| 05:01.43 | meder | in order to start debugging |
| 05:02.47 | mullein | isn't it lspci as ltl suggested? |
| 05:02.50 | shawnbon206 | so if lspci says i have rt5390 and i dont see it in lsmod that means the driver isnt installed? |
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| 05:04.35 | gizmore | what the fuck is my hoster pre-installing confixx and i cannot find the cronjob |
| 05:04.38 | LtL | shawnbon206: use lspci -nn locate the device and corresponding bus id to determine the proper module needed. |
| 05:05.09 | gizmore | /bin/sh: /root/confixx/confixx_counterscript.pl: No such file or directory ( i killed the file, but cannot find the crontab entry ) , where could the cron hide, help appreciated |
| 05:05.30 | meder | http://dpaste.com/1031999/plain/ |
| 05:05.36 | meder | this is very weird |
| 05:05.42 | meder | it says 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: NVIDIA Corporation GF108 [Quadro NVS 5400M] (rev a1) |
| 05:05.48 | meder | but its NEVER shown me that before |
| 05:05.51 | shawnbon206 | man lspci |
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| 05:05.57 | shawnbon206 | oops |
| 05:06.13 | meder | maybe i did the wrong command before |
| 05:06.22 | meder | i feel i incorrectly have or not installed the driver for that, though |
| 05:07.12 | boldfilter | How do you enable grapical boot wheezy |
| 05:07.51 | gizmore | meder: maybe a new kernel? |
| 05:08.11 | meder | gizmore: perhaps |
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| 05:08.18 | meder | you mean the new kernel enabled them to be readable? |
| 05:08.25 | meder | because i def. upgraded kernels to fix stuff, yes |
| 05:08.34 | meder | or are you suggesting get a NEWER kernel? |
| 05:08.40 | gizmore | meder: yeah, maybe the new kernel finally recognizes your onboard? |
| 05:08.45 | LtL | gizmore: try `ls /etc/cron*` for hiding places :) |
| 05:08.54 | gizmore | LtL: thank you, trying :) |
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| 05:09.33 | meder | gizmore: but like |
| 05:09.37 | meder | when im in chrome and such |
| 05:09.40 | meder | the fonts are messed up |
| 05:09.44 | gizmore | LtL: tried that earlier today... only anacron and php5 and php5.2 |
| 05:09.55 | meder | and i installed ttf-mstt-core blabla etc |
| 05:09.56 | meder | i still feel i didnt properly install it |
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| 05:11.08 | gizmore | meder: what update channel are you at? |
| 05:11.30 | meder | wheezy |
| 05:11.33 | meder | ?? |
| 05:11.37 | LtL | gizmore: hard to say, could be a users crontab or a system call, that command should give alot more output |
| 05:11.46 | meder | i wanted to use stable but i couldn't because nothing worked cuz new laptop/hardware |
| 05:11.46 | gizmore | wheezy is 7? |
| 05:11.52 | meder | so someone told me get wheezy |
| 05:11.54 | LtL | gizmore: yes |
| 05:11.56 | meder | and stuff started working on wheezy |
| 05:12.23 | gizmore | my experience with gentoo unstable here is that font rendering was a bit "dizzy" as well, seems to have been gone in the meantime |
| 05:12.32 | gizmore | probably some cairo hickup or similiar |
| 05:12.51 | gizmore | for example bold looking fonts where there was no bold |
| 05:13.00 | meder | yeah fonts are completely messed up |
| 05:13.00 | gizmore | s/fonts/lines |
| 05:13.14 | gizmore | maybe try another update and reboot :) |
| 05:13.23 | meder | define 'update' |
| 05:13.39 | gizmore | install latest software |
| 05:14.04 | meder | you mean do upgrade all packages? |
| 05:14.07 | gizmore | yes |
| 05:14.54 | meder | ok |
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| 05:15.39 | gizmore | LtL: the cron seems to run as root, it worries me :( |
| 05:16.15 | gizmore | i destroyed confixx by moving files, now i get the cron error mail every couple of minutes :P |
| 05:16.49 | LtL | gizmore: as root type crontab -e ... i -think- that may show any existing jobs running under root's name |
| 05:16.57 | meder | what steps does one need to take after updating kernel? |
| 05:17.05 | gizmore | i guess i will label it as "system is up reporting feature" .... yeah tried crontab -e as root ... empty Oo |
| 05:17.13 | somiaj | meder: just reboot |
| 05:17.14 | meder | i remember having to update virtualbox and everything |
| 05:17.18 | meder | after kernel updates |
| 05:17.20 | meder | in the past.. |
| 05:17.43 | truexfan81 | meder: never hurts to do a extra sudo update-grub after and then reboot |
| 05:17.44 | gizmore | meder: as you get binary packages you should not need to worry much, i think (not 100% sure) |
| 05:17.53 | meder | ok |
| 05:17.56 | somiaj | meder: how do you install your virtualbox modules? do you do it with dkms packages? |
| 05:18.01 | meder | aptitude |
| 05:18.10 | meder | i think i may have done it without aptittude before |
| 05:18.11 | meder | thats why |
| 05:18.13 | meder | makes sense |
| 05:18.57 | somiaj | meder: but if you intsalll the linux-headers package with your kernel the dkms apcakges will make new modules for you |
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| 05:19.12 | LtL | gizmore: is this a webserver? seems confixx is some sort of web app |
| 05:19.50 | meder | oh yeah.. |
| 05:19.53 | meder | now i remember |
| 05:19.58 | meder | didn tthey add that just recently? |
| 05:20.32 | gizmore | LtL: yes, some vserver... by accident i found out there is running this cronjob and there are also /var/www/confixx website files ... killed it all.... now the cronjob is left |
| 05:22.19 | LtL | gizmore: look in /etc/default/ possibly |
| 05:24.04 | LtL | gizmore: oh, and possibly somewhere in server root directory you may find something |
| 05:24.45 | LtL | gizmore: that is /etc/apache2/ something |
| 05:25.15 | gizmore | LtL: yeah, did grep -R confixx /etc ... reveals some stuff |
| 05:25.30 | gizmore | seems like the confixx website was unreachable since ages (good luck) :) |
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| 05:26.08 | gizmore | aha! /etc/crontab:3,8,13,18,23,28,33,38,43,48,53,58 * * * * root sleep 31 ; /root/confixx/confixx_counterscript.pl |
| 05:26.31 | gizmore | thank you LtL for taking time to help :) |
| 05:26.39 | LtL | gizmore: busy little bugger isn't it |
| 05:26.56 | gizmore | fun fact: confixx_counterscript.pl is not human readable, it is binary garbage |
| 05:27.09 | gizmore | maybe encrypted perl? Oo |
| 05:27.13 | LtL | gizmore: yeah, perl |
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| 05:27.43 | gizmore | it contains only [?][?] and garbage, so not perlmonk readable ^^ |
| 05:28.13 | gizmore | is that a perl feature? binaries maybe? |
| 05:28.27 | LtL | gizmore: can't say, sorry |
| 05:29.22 | LtL | gizmore: my guess is its a hit counter, i dunno |
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| 05:30.32 | gizmore | LtL: when you see the file your first guess it's a properitary hit counter :P |
| 05:30.47 | gizmore | runnin as root |
| 05:31.13 | gizmore | killed it :) |
| 05:31.32 | LtL | gizmore: i've never heard of confixx actually. |
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| 05:32.17 | gizmore | LtL: it's some sysadmin panel, manage domains and stuff |
| 05:32.30 | LtL | gizmore: ah |
| 05:32.45 | peterrooney | gizmore: don't let the extension fool you - exensions are intrinsicly meaningless on linux; "file connfixx" for great justice |
| 05:33.04 | gizmore | peterrooney: good one, i'll try |
| 05:33.53 | nell | hey guys my system will boot into a blank screen or a blinking cursor in the left hand screen currently im in grub is there anything i can do here? |
| 05:34.02 | nell | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:34.31 | nell | https://www.dropbox.com/s/xqt105crctkb7jw/20130323_012246.jpg my screen atm |
| 05:35.01 | gizmore | nell: you can watch the blinking cursor at least ... when did the problem started to appear? new hardware? changed HDs maybe? |
| 05:35.58 | gizmore | peterrooney: according to file it's a perl script :) ... i'll pastebin it |
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| 05:37.17 | nell | I installed wireless drivers |
| 05:37.19 | nell | for my alfa card.. |
| 05:37.25 | nell | and had to reboot |
| 05:37.27 | gizmore | peterrooney: just for the lulz and records: http://www.wechall.net/confixx_updatescript.pl |
| 05:37.37 | nell | that pretty much broke my system. |
| 05:37.47 | nell | I deleted the files from a live environment |
| 05:38.18 | nell | but it still won't boot into atleast the login screen. it breaks after i type my crypto luks password |
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| 05:39.24 | gizmore | peterrooney: maybe there is a license key hidden so you can use it and get owned by installing it :) |
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| 05:39.52 | peterrooney | gizmore: google suggests it's a cPanel type thingy. |
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| 05:40.06 | gizmore | nell: maybe deleting stuff was not a good idea... what did you delete exactly? |
| 05:40.25 | nell | just the folder and the zip I installed it in |
| 05:40.30 | gizmore | peterrooney: yeah it's some admin panel i don't wanted in the first place |
| 05:40.33 | nell | I have it backed up just in case however. |
| 05:40.36 | nell | ^_^ |
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| 05:40.54 | gizmore | nell: did you try to restore the files? |
| 05:41.23 | nell | Why? with or without the files I still am not able to boot into the system |
| 05:41.45 | gizmore | maybe you need to remove the new buggy kernelmodule somehow (just vaguely guessing here) |
| 05:42.06 | nell | that sounds quite plausible. |
| 05:42.23 | nell | Is there anything I can do from grub? |
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| 05:42.27 | nell | to try? |
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| 05:42.32 | gizmore | on the other hand ... deleting a .ko should not prevent a sytem from booting, right? |
| 05:43.04 | nell | I'm willing to try. |
| 05:43.13 | nell | but in the meantime |
| 05:43.33 | gizmore | maybe boot from another medium and try to locate the kernelmodule (just guessing again :( |
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| 05:43.47 | nell | so nothing from grub? |
| 05:43.54 | nell | lemme record a quick vid |
| 05:44.01 | gizmore | \o/ |
| 05:44.22 | shawnbon206 | ut oh |
| 05:44.29 | shawnbon206 | ut oh ut oh!! |
| 05:45.37 | shawnbon206 | my wireless card is switched off via the keyboard. fn+f12 (the button with the light on it) aint working either. i wonder if i will have to reinstall windows to toggle it on!! |
| 05:45.52 | nell | oh |
| 05:45.57 | nell | my wireless card is switched off too |
| 05:45.58 | nell | from keyboard |
| 05:46.01 | nell | maybe if i turn it on...? |
| 05:46.21 | gizmore | praises his PS/2 input devices :) |
| 05:46.30 | nell | now in the voodoo realms here |
| 05:46.52 | shawnbon206 | i'm serious nell |
| 05:47.38 | nell | Oh |
| 05:47.44 | nell | that happened to me before, you using a thinkpad? |
| 05:47.50 | shawnbon206 | its an hp |
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| 05:48.31 | nell | you tried like |
| 05:48.37 | shawnbon206 | well i'm going to go snoop around in the bios |
| 05:50.28 | shawnbon206 | i enabled "action keys" in bios i think it worked |
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| 05:51.32 | shawnbon206 | thats a bummer that means i will need to either keep the wifi on all the time or press FN every time i need a FN# key |
| 05:52.06 | nell | install wicd |
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| 05:52.48 | shawnbon206 | i was about to install wicd but i saw it was dependant on a whole bunch of gnome stuff |
| 05:52.57 | shawnbon206 | i am using i3 only |
| 05:53.05 | Seekanet | can someone help me out in terms of hardware |
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| 05:53.16 | shawnbon206 | so i am looking into this wicd-curses package |
| 05:53.17 | Seekanet | (for a linux box) |
| 05:53.27 | Seekanet | actually a laptop, but I guess its the same thing |
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| 05:55.18 | LtL | Seekanet: just ask |
| 05:57.31 | Seekanet | Yeah, sorry, I was looking up the specs to properly ask my question. I know that linux doesn't take much, but with all the GUI stuff, I wonder how well will an i5 perform . I'm not entirely sure the processed number, but here is the link: https://www.asus.com/Notebooks_Ultrabooks/U56E/#specifications |
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| 05:59.26 | LtL | Seekanet: the i5 is a good cpu, should be good |
| 05:59.31 | shawnbon206 | it doesnt say what network interfaces it has |
| 05:59.51 | shawnbon206 | e.g. realtek etc |
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| 06:00.56 | shawnbon206 | looks like wireless card is intel |
| 06:01.44 | LtL | shawnbon206: lspci -nn |grep -i ethernet |
| 06:02.17 | shawnbon206 | LtL: i was talking about the link Seekanet posted |
| 06:02.21 | shawnbon206 | the laptop |
| 06:02.44 | LtL | shawnbon206: oh, sorry not paying enough attention |
| 06:03.27 | shawnbon206 | LtL: i figured out my problem my wifi card was turned off via the led in the f12 key. i had to change something in the bios so i could turn it back on |
| 06:04.17 | LtL | shawnbon206: good to know, i just ordered a new thinkpad |
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| 06:10.59 | nell | I am able to boot into a shell |
| 06:11.06 | nell | but I am unsure what I can do there... |
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| 06:20.14 | shawnbon206 | gtk is a widget thing right? if a package is trying to install gtk stuff those are just widgets? i think all i have installed on my system so far is qt. should i just let stuff get installed? trying to keep this system clean. sticking with ncurses interfaces as much as i can :P |
| 06:21.38 | shawnbon206 | http://packages.debian.org/wheezy/wicd-gtk |
| 06:21.42 | shawnbon206 | this is what i mean ^^ |
| 06:22.22 | nell | Has anyone added webservers to their kitchen appliances |
| 06:22.33 | gizmore | shawnbon206: gtk won't hurt, and quite some software makes use of it |
| 06:22.55 | ParkerR | shawnbon206, gtk is the base most programs use. Mainly introduced with gnome it has been used in many other environments |
| 06:23.12 | ParkerR | Consider it the UI elements and window calls |
| 06:23.23 | ParkerR | (May be completely talking out of my butt here) |
| 06:23.44 | shawnbon206 | no you were very helpful |
| 06:24.04 | shawnbon206 | i was afriad i was going to somehow drag bloat into my system |
| 06:24.19 | ParkerR | Naah. gtk doesnt alwys imply gnome |
| 06:24.25 | ParkerR | *always |
| 06:25.13 | gizmore | as you said yourself, gtk is widget stuff, but also has quite some other libs/services, but probably only used when running kde (just guessing here) |
| 06:25.36 | gizmore | or used when running gnome, no idea ... i am on xfce4 here :) |
| 06:26.57 | ParkerR | gizmore, You more than likely have gtk libs installed and some programs that use gtk calls and libraies |
| 06:27.06 | ParkerR | *libraries |
| 06:27.23 | gizmore | ParkerR: of course ... i was talking to shawnbon206 |
| 06:27.56 | ParkerR | gizmore, It was more of a reply to "but probably only used when running kde" |
| 06:28.16 | gizmore | ah ... i was thinking of session managers and auth stuff and alike |
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| 06:28.24 | ParkerR | gizmore, That's gdm |
| 06:28.30 | ParkerR | Or lightdm |
| 06:28.33 | gizmore | i see |
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| 06:30.01 | gizmore | i lately had problems with gnome-policy-kit under xfce4 ... does this make sense? |
| 06:30.15 | shawnbon206 | wicd-gtk uses 82mb lol |
| 06:33.17 | ParkerR | shawnbon206, yeah wicd by itself has never been too light |
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| 06:52.01 | nell | yo |
| 06:53.15 | gizmore | wb nell |
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| 07:49.10 | dmbaturin | What is the right way to downgrade a package? |
| 07:49.35 | dmbaturin | Iceweasel 19 from squeeze backports is glitchy as hell, I want the previous version back. |
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| 07:53.12 | peterrooney | any ideas why ls beeps after exiting? (TERM=xterm) |
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| 07:53.42 | gizmore | peterrooney: guessing - "weird filenames"? |
| 07:54.23 | peterrooney | nope, empty dir |
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| 07:55.04 | gizmore | 2nd google hit for ls beep: "Why does my 2000 lincoln LS beep 5 times every 5-10 minutes ..." |
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| 07:55.18 | gizmore | my google-fu seems rusty sometimes :D |
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| 07:55.43 | peterrooney | doesn't happen on vt, even if setting TERM=xterm |
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| 08:08.19 | xlinkz0 | dpkg --get-selections shows a package as 'installed' |
| 08:08.20 | dpkg | xlinkz0: have you tried http://www.tldp.org/ ? |
| 08:08.43 | xlinkz0 | but when I try to remove it using apt-get remove or purge it says it is not |
| 08:08.45 | peterrooney | dpkg, stop being such a smartass |
| 08:08.45 | dpkg | wish i knew, peterrooney |
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| 08:09.35 | peterrooney | xlinkz0: i bet apt-get -f install will make it install. |
| 08:09.38 | xlinkz0 | http://codepad.org/rwAC1ol2 |
| 08:09.49 | xlinkz0 | i want to remove it completely |
| 08:10.01 | xlinkz0 | all of them, to install the unstable versions |
| 08:10.07 | babilen | xlinkz0: "apt-cache policy PKG" and "dpkg -l PKG" output would be interesting |
| 08:10.36 | xlinkz0 | Installed: (none) |
| 08:10.59 | babilen | xlinkz0: You can just install the packages from unstable /without/ removing anything first. Upgrading is supported. So, the packages are not installed. |
| 08:11.01 | xlinkz0 | http://codepad.org/jfP3xWoH |
| 08:11.13 | peterrooney | dpkg--set-selections <file doesn't sets the desired status, but doesn't actually do the install |
| 08:11.16 | gizmore | peterrooney: maybe something other was beeping? (no idea, never had this) |
| 08:11.28 | babilen | xlinkz0: These packages are not installed. |
| 08:11.38 | peterrooney | gizmore: actually, it turns out it's pretty much every command run. |
| 08:11.53 | xlinkz0 | babilen, i downloaded the 3.0 version of mingw, done dpkg -i PKG on it, how do i install it now? |
| 08:12.00 | babilen | (well, at least mingw-w64) |
| 08:12.02 | shawnbon206 | can anyone reccomend me a lightweight file manager to associate with "open containing folder" in iceweasel? |
| 08:12.17 | xlinkz0 | if i do apt-get install on it it will install version 2.0 |
| 08:12.28 | babilen | xlinkz0: Downloaded it from where? "dpkg -i foo.deb" does install a package. |
| 08:12.39 | xlinkz0 | from http://packages.debian.org/experimental/all/mingw-w64-dev/download |
| 08:12.45 | babilen | judd: v mingw-w64 |
| 08:12.46 | judd | Package: mingw-w64 on i386 -- squeeze: 0~20100125-3; sid: 2.0.3-1; wheezy: 2.0.3-1; experimental: 3.0~svn5496-1 |
| 08:12.55 | xlinkz0 | i need the experimental one |
| 08:13.02 | babilen | xlinkz0: Why do you download that manually? |
| 08:13.15 | xlinkz0 | saw it on a forum |
| 08:13.19 | babilen | *sigh* |
| 08:13.40 | babilen | xlinkz0: Ok, downloading it manually is probably the worst you can do. Are you planning to run wheezy or testing? |
| 08:13.50 | xlinkz0 | i just want to compile something |
| 08:14.01 | babilen | And that requires 3.0 ? |
| 08:14.02 | peterrooney | Oooh, Frankendebs! Mad science. |
| 08:14.06 | xlinkz0 | so testing i guess, it's in a VM and the only thing i do is compile |
| 08:14.13 | xlinkz0 | yes |
| 08:14.25 | xlinkz0 | vlc requires 3.0 for cross compiling -.- |
| 08:14.41 | xlinkz0 | configure: error: LibVLC requires mingw-runtime version 3.15 or higher, or mingw-w64 version 3.0 or higher! |
| 08:14.54 | babilen | xlinkz0: No, not "I guess" -- Please make a choice. Do you want to continue running wheezy after it has been released or do you then want to immmediately upgrade to testing? Do you have "testing" or "wheezy" in your sources.list? |
| 08:15.14 | xlinkz0 | i don't care for a stable distro |
| 08:15.30 | xlinkz0 | lemme check |
| 08:15.59 | babilen | xlinkz0: Ok, you have essentially two ways: you can add experimental to your sources.list and pull in packages from there by running "apt-get -t experimental PKG" -- It will just install it and also pull dependencies as necessary. (the error you get is due to you not having installed all the dependencies) |
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| 08:16.49 | xlinkz0 | so i add this line ? deb http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/ experimental main |
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| 08:17.17 | babilen | xlinkz0: This technique /will/ bite you later though and even more so if you run wheezy (then stable) -- If you plan to do that I would recommend to backport the package manually from experimental. The instructions are more or less in "/msg dpkg ssb" but you have to grab the source from experimental. |
| 08:17.48 | xlinkz0 | i'll just reinstall later i don't care for this particular install |
| 08:18.04 | xlinkz0 | i just want to tinker with vlc for a week and be done with it |
| 08:18.30 | xlinkz0 | so do i add that line to sources.list? |
| 08:18.48 | babilen | xlinkz0: Alright, I simply wanted to elaborate. That would be a working repository specification. (I tend to use http.debian.net these days, but those in the country mirror rotation are fine) |
| 08:20.54 | xlinkz0 | thanks |
| 08:21.15 | xlinkz0 | how do i query the aptitude repositories to check which version a pkg is? |
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| 08:21.55 | babilen | xlinkz0: "aptitude versions PKG" or "apt-cache policy PKG" or "rmadison PKG" (from devscripts) or ... |
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| 08:22.31 | babilen | All different, all unique ... I would recommend "apt-cache policy" in most cases. Well, along with the rest of the apt-* tools. :) |
| 08:23.20 | xlinkz0 | i thought ' |
| 08:23.24 | xlinkz0 | apt came from aptitude |
| 08:23.37 | xlinkz0 | ok so, problem again.. it sees only the wheezy repos |
| 08:23.52 | babilen | Did you run "apt-get update" (or aptitude update if you use that) |
| 08:24.17 | xlinkz0 | nope, thanks :D |
| 08:24.44 | babilen | dpkg: debian handbook |
| 08:24.45 | dpkg | The Debian Administrator's Handbook is at http://debian-handbook.info/ and can be browsed, bought and downloaded. It can also can be installed from the debian-handbook package (only in wheezy and sid). Also ask me about <books> <docs>. |
| 08:25.02 | xlinkz0 | i think that mirror of yours is broken |
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| 08:25.18 | babilen | xlinkz0: You might want to read ^^^ in due course. It is an excellent book about Debian, its tooling and community and I can recommend it to everyone. |
| 08:25.24 | babilen | xlinkz0: How so? |
| 08:26.22 | xlinkz0 | ah nvm i just put it literally, didn't check the website |
| 08:26.32 | xlinkz0 | i put it without the /debian suffix |
| 08:26.40 | suffix | nah |
| 08:26.42 | suffix | don['t do that |
| 08:26.50 | xlinkz0 | lol |
| 08:27.14 | xlinkz0 | now this : http://codepad.org/YZBeE9iC |
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| 08:28.50 | babilen | xlinkz0: re-run it or use ftp.de.debian.org -- we could investigate that further, but these errors are typically transient and I'd rather get some new coffee :) |
| 08:28.54 | suffix | good lord |
| 08:29.24 | babilen | You can also ignore the Translations .. but then, why do that? |
| 08:29.55 | debianN00b | i got some very good Debian docuements on the debian's website |
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| 08:30.18 | debianN00b | Gonna be good Debian administrator soon :) |
| 08:31.53 | babilen | dpkg: tell debianN00b -about debian handbook |
| 08:32.27 | xlinkz0 | .de doesn't work either :\ |
| 08:32.28 | xlinkz0 | http://codepad.org/ODmYuo6v |
| 08:33.06 | babilen | xlinkz0: That are your old entries -- Mind pasting your sources.list to http://paste.debian.net ? |
| 08:33.06 | peterrooney | isn't it weird that the debian handbook for wheezy explicitly says it's for squeeze? |
| 08:33.17 | babilen | but it is |
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| 08:33.50 | xlinkz0 | http://paste.debian.net/243882/ |
| 08:33.50 | babilen | peterrooney: I mean it was written with squeeze in mind. Like very technical book some aspects will age rapidly, while others stay valid. |
| 08:35.02 | babilen | xlinkz0: Looks as if ftp.de is wonky (I also guess that you get the same mirror with http.debian.net) -- Would you mind trying ftp2.de ? (I found that to be more reliable when I was in Germany) |
| 08:35.15 | babilen | xlinkz0: I'll investigate ftp.de later on |
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| 08:36.27 | babilen | xlinkz0: err |
| 08:36.32 | xlinkz0 | same :( |
| 08:36.37 | babilen | xlinkz0: Sorry, lack of coffee :) |
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| 08:37.05 | xlinkz0 | you could suggest any other mirror, i just chose .de because i thought they wouldn't be screwed |
| 08:37.16 | xlinkz0 | when i chose romanian mirrors i couldn't even complete the install |
| 08:37.23 | babilen | xlinkz0: You are using "deb http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/ wheezy/updates main" but that doesn't exist. That line is for security updates and security is handled by deb http://security.debian.org/ wheezy/updates main |
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| 08:37.41 | xlinkz0 | ooh |
| 08:37.56 | oskie | hm.. I have a problem with bridged networking: hosts on one interface of the bridged network cannot reach hosts on the other interface. what am I doing wrong? |
| 08:38.22 | xlinkz0 | yep, thanks :D |
| 08:38.26 | babilen | http://paste.debian.net/243883/ ← one example with http.debian.net -- but using a specific mirror might be better in your case if the mirrors you end up with are not working great |
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| 08:39.09 | xlinkz0 | yeah it works now |
| 08:39.29 | xlinkz0 | ok so policy shows the experimental version but search is not showing versions |
| 08:39.41 | xlinkz0 | ah, i have to use the experimental option forgot |
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| 08:43.03 | somiaj | xlinkz0: search only returns packge names, show will show the details of all versions |
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| 08:44.56 | xlinkz0 | ok |
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| 08:46.20 | debianN00b | I have installed the vmware workstation latest on debian wheezy . But i am getting broken graphics http://oi46.tinypic.com/2rdx0gm.jpg |
| 08:46.47 | debianN00b | Anyone know what is the problem please? |
| 08:47.05 | xlinkz0 | http://paste.debian.net/243884/ |
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| 08:48.31 | amartin | XlinkzO, try ls -a in the vlc directory |
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| 08:49.22 | xlinkz0 | i thought rm -rf * remoed .. well , all |
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| 08:50.23 | amartin | Rm -r will remove it. Option -a stands for all, including hidden files |
| 08:51.03 | amartin | In ls -a of course |
| 08:51.07 | xlinkz0 | thanks |
| 08:51.49 | ParkerR | -f overrides -a |
| 08:53.21 | amartin | ParkerR, ? |
| 08:54.00 | ParkerR | amartin, Meaning with -f (force) -a is useless |
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| 08:54.16 | ParkerR | When bundled with -r (recursively) |
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| 08:55.08 | amartin | Well, I meant -a for command ls, not command rm ;) |
| 08:55.23 | ParkerR | Ahh |
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| 08:57.07 | debianN00b | I understand vmware is not supported here. I am curious if other guys also have this same problem |
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| 09:07.00 | McClane | hello |
| 09:07.16 | McClane | I'm in doubt about the second field of the ls -l command |
| 09:07.29 | Nik05 | hi |
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| 09:07.39 | Nik05 | whats the problem? |
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| 09:07.45 | McClane | hi Nik05 |
| 09:07.52 | McClane | i've read that indicates de symbolic links in some sites |
| 09:08.11 | McClane | but I've read that indicates the owner privileges in others sites |
| 09:08.12 | Nik05 | will do that too |
| 09:08.18 | jelly-home | debianN00b: looks like a Gtk theme issue. Try changing the theme. |
| 09:08.19 | Nik05 | both |
| 09:08.27 | McClane | both? |
| 09:08.36 | Nik05 | McClane what about trying it out? |
| 09:08.40 | McClane | can you explain me Nik05 |
| 09:09.07 | McClane | my pictures folders says 5 but i don't have links in there :S |
| 09:09.11 | amartin | Create symbolic link and ls -l |
| 09:09.40 | Nik05 | says 5 what? |
| 09:09.44 | debianN00b | jelly-home, I installed gtk themes for oxygen |
| 09:10.09 | Nik05 | McClane do ls -l /dev |
| 09:10.30 | Nik05 | you will see symbolic links and a lot of different file permissions |
| 09:11.04 | McClane | what does the number after permissions mean? |
| 09:11.23 | McClane | the number after permission and before users |
| 09:11.31 | debianN00b | jelly-home, it is happening when i am moving course each menu |
| 09:11.44 | Nik05 | or would that be a big s |
| 09:11.48 | Nik05 | ho |
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| 09:12.08 | Nik05 | unwrite line |
| 09:12.27 | Nik05 | McClane no idea... never really seen that collumn |
| 09:12.36 | McClane | oh ok |
| 09:12.45 | McClane | thanks anyway Nik05 |
| 09:13.10 | amartin | No on a computer atm, but isn't size? |
| 09:13.23 | McClane | no |
| 09:13.36 | McClane | size is after users |
| 09:14.16 | McClane | crw-rw-rw- 1 root root 1, 5 Mar 23 06:01 zero |
| 09:14.22 | McClane | i mean the 1 before root |
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| 09:15.37 | Nik05 | google knows :P |
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| 09:17.40 | Nik05 | its the number of directories below |
| 09:17.51 | Nik05 | file is alway 1 |
| 09:18.01 | Nik05 | directory has minimun of two |
| 09:18.31 | Nik05 | McClane |
| 09:19.08 | McClane | i see |
| 09:19.26 | peterrooney | McClane: the number of filesystem entries pointing to that item. |
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| 09:19.31 | babilen | It is number of hardlinks -- see 'info coreutils "What information is listed"' |
| 09:19.46 | Nik05 | ah hardlinks ok :) |
| 09:19.58 | McClane | i see, thanks |
| 09:23.19 | McClane | a directory always have a minimum of two, one which represents itself and other which represents the parent directory right? |
| 09:23.30 | debianN00b | jelly-home, No value set for `/desktop/gnome/interface/menus_have_tearoff' |
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| 09:24.21 | Nik05 | yes McClane |
| 09:24.29 | McClane | ;) |
| 09:25.36 | Nik05 | even / has a parent which is / :) |
| 09:25.56 | McClane | cool |
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| 09:26.45 | amartin | McClane, it's number of links |
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| 09:27.10 | jelly-home | debianN00b: ? |
| 09:27.24 | McClane | yes amartin thx |
| 09:27.45 | debianN00b | jelly-home, when start vmware from konsole i get that error |
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| 09:28.22 | jelly-home | debianN00b: is it a fatal error or does the thing start? |
| 09:28.44 | jelly-home | debianN00b: I don't use gnome, no idea what that's about |
| 09:28.50 | debianN00b | workstation start |
| 09:28.56 | debianN00b | I use kde |
| 09:29.17 | debianN00b | and from yesterday xfce too :) |
| 09:29.43 | rabbieth | debianN00b: try using xen without graphical environment instead of vmware ;) |
| 09:29.51 | debianN00b | Perhaps vmware depend on gnome them too? |
| 09:30.15 | debianN00b | never used xen :( |
| 09:31.16 | xlinkz0 | i recently installed a package that the debian repos didn't have with dpkg -i PKG.deb , how can i check that it is still installed and get it's version? |
| 09:31.39 | Nik05 | dpkg -l then grep it |
| 09:31.39 | dpkg | No packages found matching then grep it |
| 09:31.58 | Nik05 | or can you do dpkg -l foo? |
| 09:32.11 | jelly-home | debianN00b: it's hard to say what your app expects here, probably better to ask the vmware people |
| 09:32.13 | xlinkz0 | thanks |
| 09:32.15 | Nik05 | oh right that works |
| 09:32.23 | Nik05 | dpkg -l foobar ;) |
| 09:32.23 | dpkg | ii foobar ;) 1.8-13 ultra s3kr1t #debian package |
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| 09:32.54 | Nik05 | xlinkz0 dont need grep :P |
| 09:33.03 | xlinkz0 | yep, thanks |
| 09:33.10 | Nik05 | without argument it will print all packages |
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| 09:33.59 | saban | hi i did aptitude -y install snmp and aptitude removed a lot of packages that i dont wont to be removed??? can anyone tell me how to revert this? this is my log what happened aptitude -y install snmp |
| 09:34.17 | Nik05 | dont use -y? |
| 09:34.41 | jelly-home | !tell saban about paste |
| 09:35.02 | McClane | thank you so much to all, have a nice day |
| 09:35.33 | saban | i didnt pasted mroe than 2 lines... or your screen is very small :P |
| 09:35.42 | saban | Nik05: is there anyway to revert this? |
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| 09:36.00 | Nik05 | install them again? :P |
| 09:36.11 | babilen | saban: reinstall what you removed -- don't use -y if you don't want to accept solutions by default |
| 09:36.13 | Nik05 | and dont use -y :) |
| 09:36.21 | babilen | or rather: the first solution |
| 09:36.56 | saban | yeah i wont do it again.. it will cost me now all day to fix this :/ |
| 09:37.37 | babilen | how so? |
| 09:38.20 | babilen | "apt-get install PKG1 PKG2 PKG3 … PKGN" shouldn't take too long. You know exactly what was removed and ... |
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| 09:39.02 | babilen | Just get the manually installed ones from that list (I guess a bunch were automatically installed dependencies) and you are golden. Otherwise: Revert from backups |
| 09:40.09 | jelly-home | saban: you didn't paste anything yet, that was just a precaution |
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| 09:41.07 | saban | babilen: last backup was 3mounths ago... damn aptitude never failed me like this :D or nvm i failed my self :D |
| 09:41.15 | jelly-home | doesn't see any list and wonders whether xchat has hidden it |
| 09:41.27 | babilen | jelly-home: there was no paste at all |
| 09:41.49 | jelly-home | good. |
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| 09:42.31 | babilen | saban: I don't quite follow. Would you mind pasting your command and its output. It should be very straightforward to "undo" a removal as you just have to reinstall the packages that were removed. You know which packages those were. I really don't understand why you think this is such a big problem. |
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| 09:45.53 | saban | babilen: i need to reinstall that is fast.. but after installing back samba now i see conf dont work :P i guess i fill have to reconf a lot of things now |
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| 09:47.22 | babilen | saban: Your configuration files should work just as they did before - you didn't purge, did you? Well, I won't comment any further without a paste. |
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| 09:47.26 | PG1 | what is the kill -SIGNAL to refresh a process? |
| 09:47.45 | koollman | PG1: usually -HUP |
| 09:47.49 | jelly-home | PG1: what does "refresh" mean? |
| 09:47.53 | babilen | PG1: "man 7 signal" ;) |
| 09:48.34 | babilen | "kill -SIGBATH $PID" |
| 09:48.39 | babilen | (don't do that) |
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| 09:48.52 | koollman | :) |
| 09:48.58 | Nik05 | lol saban did a purge with -y :P |
| 09:49.22 | rabbieth | SIGBATH is a signal to go to bath :P |
| 09:50.41 | rabbieth | rabbieth brings up if rabbieth1 and connects to eth0ghost |
| 09:51.03 | eth0ghost | Lol. |
| 09:51.25 | eth0ghost | Sorry I had a connect from another pc, did not realized when logging in earlier. |
| 09:51.34 | saban | ah lol no :D its ok i was scared to fast :P did reinstall restart services now works with old confs.. i think i will setup backup now :D and this is what -y did http://pastebin.com/EErX4Taj |
| 09:52.01 | rabbieth | eth0ghost: it's cool :P |
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| 10:15.49 | codygman | I am installing debian on a new laptop and it needs the iwlwifi package. I put it on another usb drive but the installer isn't picking it up. |
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| 10:16.36 | debianN00b | firmware ? |
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| 10:16.48 | babilen | codygman: You can always use a netinst with firmware |
| 10:16.48 | codygman | debianN00b: Yes, firmware sorry. |
| 10:16.59 | babilen | dpkg: tell codygman -about firmware images wheezy |
| 10:17.00 | rabbieth | mount ...; dpkg -i ... :P |
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| 10:17.18 | babilen | dpkg: tell codygman -about install wheezy |
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| 10:18.09 | codygman | rabbieth: That's what i'm trying to do but it gave me the error: mounting device on target failed: Invalid argument for command: mount /dev/sdc1 /mnt/usb/ |
| 10:18.11 | babilen | codygman: If you are installing squeeze (or trying that) it might be that your wireless adaptor is not (yet) supported by it and that you might need a newer kernel and firmware package. Which firmware files is it requesting and which version of Debain are you trying to install? |
| 10:18.53 | codygman | debian testing, and it does. It is iwlwifi 2030-{5,6}. |
| 10:18.55 | mallxs | Morning .. have a little problem http://pastebin.com/x25VV13e if i use here sql_FetchObject() it says $this->cursor is empty prop but sql_FetchAssoc() works OK ! |
| 10:19.01 | babilen | codygman: Which filesystem do you use? But then, I would just use the image /with/ firmware. (get it from "/msg dpkg firmware images" for squeeze or "/msg dpkg kmuto" for squeeze with a newer kernel) -- I would recommend to install wheezy at this point though. |
| 10:19.02 | debianN00b | I ignored that message and later i installed all required firmware using apt codygman |
| 10:19.11 | babilen | dpkg: tell mallxs -about pastebin.com |
| 10:19.20 | codygman | debianN00b: I don't have ethernet, only wifi. |
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| 10:19.30 | debianN00b | ah |
| 10:19.33 | mallxs | oops wrong channel |
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| 10:20.12 | rabbieth | codygman: anything is /var/log/syslog/messages/dmesg abount mounting error? probably i need also tell mount what fs to use |
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| 10:21.46 | codygman | rabbieth: Only errors: Fat-fs (sdc1): utf8 is not a recommnded IO charset.... |
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| 10:22.43 | codygman | actually this looks related: GP:Primary header thinks Alt. header is not at the end of the disk. |
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| 10:23.47 | rabbieth | hmm.. weird. maybe try setting an encoding as another option? i'm not sure about debian, but i remember doing something similar on fbsd |
| 10:24.20 | codygman | rabbieth and everyone else, I think I'm going to just use the netinst including the firmware, that should work fine. I think the partiitions on the other usb are a bit screwy. |
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| 10:25.00 | rabbieth | okies :) good luck to you :) |
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| 10:35.40 | codygman | any ideas on what to do when the installer tells you that your wpa password is too short? can I change that in the installer to not check for length or does it require compiling? |
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| 10:36.08 | Nik05 | enter a longer password? |
| 10:36.45 | codygman | but the password is less than 8 chars ;) |
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| 10:39.20 | ksuhku | not much point in using wpa if you're not going to use a sensible password |
| 10:40.15 | codygman | ksuhku: lol, that's what I told them too but is there any temporary fix for this? |
| 10:40.33 | ksuhku | codygman, if there is I don't know it |
| 10:40.34 | dmbaturin | ksuhku: A 6-7 character random password is impractical to break in most cases. :) |
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| 10:41.40 | koollman | dmbaturin: not that much anymore |
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| 10:43.13 | dmbaturin | koollman: Why? It will take enough time for even a really lazy admin to notice and do something about it (e.g. hit the intruder with a bat). |
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| 10:44.47 | koollman | dmbaturin: that's my point. No, it does not take much time anymore :) |
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| 10:52.16 | dmbaturin | koollman: Even with PSK authentication attempts take finite time. |
| 10:53.18 | ksuhku | and if the attempts are distributed it's pretty hard to do something about it |
| 10:53.45 | ksuhku | there are millions of machines in bot nets waiting your command |
| 10:54.16 | koollman | and even with more 'legal' means, amazon instances are very cheap :) |
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| 10:55.49 | codygman | I'm pretty sure it's possible to make my own iso to install a customized debian, but how would I go about doing it? |
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| 10:56.03 | dokma | let me get something straight with you guys |
| 10:56.10 | dmbaturin | ksuhku: Distributed attack? Even the most experienced admin would find it strange to see their access point surrounded by crackers. ;) |
| 10:56.11 | dokma | when I run grub-install device |
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| 10:56.29 | koollman | dmbaturin: http://uk.reuters.com/article/2011/01/07/us-amazon-hacking-idUKTRE70641M20110107 this was 2011. iirc he was using 8 nodes, for about 16$/hour, to try 400k passwords per second |
| 10:56.32 | dokma | then the MBR on that device contains code that loads grub.cfg of the environment from which I ran grub-install |
| 10:56.36 | dokma | is that correct? |
| 10:56.49 | koollman | dmbaturin: now, it's 2013. how fast can this kind of thing be done ? :) |
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| 10:57.15 | petn-randall | dmbaturin, ksuhku: you differentiate between offline and online attacks. AFAIK with WPA it's enough to sniff someone else's authentication procedure, and then crack if offline with as many CPU power as you have. |
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| 10:57.22 | dmbaturin | dokma: Basically, yes. It loads the rest of the GRUB binary that loads everything else. |
| 10:57.41 | dokma | dmbaturin: ok, thank you. so now the rest of it |
| 10:57.43 | dmbaturin | petn-randall: With WEP it was, WPA uses session keys AFAIR. |
| 10:57.54 | koollman | (and assuming 40bits of entropy for a 7 character password, it means about 318 days if my calculations are correct. or, about 16$ * 318 to crack it in one hour, too. expensive. but far from impossible ;) ) |
| 10:57.54 | dokma | I'm in a migration from a single disk to a dual disk raid setup |
| 10:58.14 | koollman | hmm. no. lacking a *24 factor on the cost. still ... not impossible |
| 10:58.16 | dokma | sda contains the old system and sdc contains the new raid1 field with one missing disk |
| 10:58.34 | dokma | so obviously I copied the old system onto the new raid1 logical volume |
| 10:58.35 | koollman | (and this was with 2 years old gpu) |
| 10:58.42 | petn-randall | koollman: you use GPU nowadays. I'd say it's possible to crack a WPA password of 6 letters within hours. |
| 10:58.47 | californication | brb, i have to restar |
| 10:58.51 | californication | t |
| 10:58.59 | dmbaturin | dokma: Software RAID1? |
| 10:59.06 | dokma | and now in order to get grub to boot it I ran update-grub2 from the old system and it found the new stuff on raid1 logical volume |
| 10:59.12 | dokma | software raid1 |
| 10:59.40 | dokma | so now old system on sda has an updated menu that does include the new system from the lvm on raid1 |
| 10:59.51 | dokma | but when I attempt to boot it it just boots the old system from sda |
| 10:59.58 | dokma | and now I'm trying to understand why |
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| 11:00.22 | dokma | let me do some pastebining |
| 11:00.28 | dmbaturin | dokma: I solved it in the following way: created two partitions on each disk, for /boot and for data. Data partitions are in RAID1, /boot is synced on upgrades. |
| 11:00.38 | ksuhku | and FPGAs and ASICs are even faster than GPUs for the job |
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| 11:01.07 | dokma | I want /boot on raid as well |
| 11:01.13 | dmbaturin | Yep, but session keys make offline attacks useless. |
| 11:01.40 | dmbaturin | dokma: I don't think it will work. The other option is to use a USB stick for /boot. :) |
| 11:02.00 | dokma | I've seen plenty of people mentioning that /boot can be on raid |
| 11:02.10 | dmbaturin | GRUB can't read software RAID on its own. |
| 11:02.17 | dokma | actually I'm already running such a setup on my dedicated server |
| 11:02.25 | dokma | I'm just trying to do the same on my desktop now |
| 11:02.32 | dmbaturin | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:02.47 | dokma | the dedicated server is also software raid |
| 11:05.56 | Posterdati | hi |
| 11:05.58 | Posterdati | please |
| 11:06.11 | Posterdati | what happened to www.debian.org, cannot reach that site |
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| 11:06.30 | dmbaturin | Posterdati: Works for me. |
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| 11:07.52 | dmbaturin | Posterdati: So it should be something between debian.org and your part of the net. |
| 11:08.05 | Posterdati | ? |
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| 11:20.22 | nongeek | hello all |
| 11:20.25 | Towzzer | hi |
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| 11:21.00 | nongeek | I want to install "Cheops-ng" but tell me "configure: error: Could not find the gnomeConf.sh file that is generated by gnome-libs install" |
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| 11:21.12 | nongeek | what should i do ? |
| 11:21.52 | nongeek | any idea about "gnomeConf.sh" ? |
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| 11:22.51 | nongeek | :( |
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| 11:24.00 | petn-randall | nongeek: I think you might be better off with current tools. |
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| 11:24.44 | nongeek | petn-randall: ? |
| 11:25.02 | petn-randall | nongeek: have you tried nmap yet? |
| 11:25.09 | nongeek | yes |
| 11:25.13 | nongeek | I use namp |
| 11:25.16 | nongeek | nmap* |
| 11:25.24 | nongeek | but I want to install it |
| 11:25.49 | nongeek | what is the problem ? |
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| 11:27.09 | petn-randall | nongeek: no idea, gnomeConf.sh is not in any debian package. |
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| 11:27.35 | nongeek | OK, Thank you so much |
| 11:27.41 | petn-randall | nongeek: Have you checked the readme of that software for prerequisites? |
| 11:27.57 | nongeek | yes |
| 11:28.18 | nongeek | http://packages.ubuntu.com/hardy/net/cheops-ng |
| 11:28.52 | petn-randall | nongeek: uhm, that's Ubuntu ... |
| 11:29.07 | nongeek | yes |
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| 11:29.27 | nongeek | http://ftp.acc.umu.se/mirror/cdimage/snapshot/Debian/pool/main/c/cheops-ng/ |
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| 11:30.49 | petn-randall | nongeek: Probably it needs some fixing to even compile on current systems. I'd say it just has seen quite a lot of 'bitrot' |
| 11:31.02 | nongeek | me too |
| 11:31.12 | nongeek | but thank you for guidance |
| 11:31.22 | petn-randall | nongeek: you're welcome :) |
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| 11:31.30 | nongeek | :) |
| 11:31.31 | ksuhku | Posterdati, http://downforme.org/ |
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| 11:32.32 | EyesIsMine | Whenever I try and hear sound, I get crackling and then a horrible echo over whatever i'm trying to listen to |
| 11:33.15 | Posterdati | ksuhku: www.Debian.org is up! |
| 11:33.15 | Posterdati | It seems that www.Debian.org is only down and not working for you right now! |
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| 11:33.35 | petn-randall | EyesIsMine: When has your last checkup at the doctor been? |
| 11:33.51 | EyesIsMine | I mean out of my headphones |
| 11:34.08 | petn-randall | EyesIsMine: just kidding ;) |
| 11:34.23 | EyesIsMine | If I was to press backspace in the text box, I would hear a crackle three times getting quieter and then it stops |
| 11:34.40 | petn-randall | EyesIsMine: You might have to turn off the microphone in your sound settings. |
| 11:35.04 | EyesIsMine | nope |
| 11:35.16 | EyesIsMine | ran alsamixer and changed Capture volume to 0 |
| 11:36.43 | petn-randall | EyesIsMine: you should have on the playback page a volume bar for mic. You can turn that off with 'm'. |
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| 11:37.14 | EyesIsMine | I see Master and that's it |
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| 11:37.52 | EyesIsMine | The echo has stopped itself now |
| 11:38.01 | EyesIsMine | Mostly |
| 11:38.07 | EyesIsMine | but the crackling is still there |
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| 11:38.52 | ksuhku | Posterdati, has this been so for a longer time? |
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| 11:39.09 | Posterdati | yesterday an today |
| 11:39.53 | petn-randall | EyesIsMine: which release of Debian are you running? Does this happen with any other OS you have installed? Might also be interesting what model/make your computer is. |
| 11:40.33 | EyesIsMine | Never happened before, running debian sid |
| 11:41.59 | EyesIsMine | Well, Wheezy + unstable repos |
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| 11:45.25 | monod | hello guys, me again |
| 11:45.42 | monod | this time I have an issue in making my desktop a wireless hotspot for my netbook |
| 11:46.13 | monod | the question is: how do I setup such a thing? |
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| 11:46.54 | rabbieth | debian handbook, chapter 5 |
| 11:47.05 | monod | rabbieth, is it the answer to me? |
| 11:47.09 | Posterdati | solved |
| 11:47.13 | petn-randall | monod: You'd start with installing hostapd, though it requires some reading to get it to run how you want. |
| 11:47.13 | rabbieth | yeap :) |
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| 11:47.48 | monod | oh, thanks rabbieth! :) petn-randall, is that hostapd the same as what rabbieth pointed out? |
| 11:47.58 | EyesIsMine | gonna let the video run and see if the crackling clears up |
| 11:48.12 | rabbieth | monod: yw :) |
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| 11:48.51 | petn-randall | EyesIsMine: I'd help more, but you didn't answer all of my questions. |
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| 11:49.25 | zamaliphe | i need to know how i can mount extra drive to roo to increase the / size ? |
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| 11:49.51 | EyesIsMine | Oh sorry |
| 11:49.52 | petn-randall | rabbieth: "Chapter 5. Packaging System: Tools and Fundamental Principles" ? |
| 11:50.01 | rabbieth | errr |
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| 11:50.09 | monod | ooops, lol |
| 11:50.19 | zamaliphe | i have 1 GB root vol and i need to attche an extra mount point to increase the size of it |
| 11:50.23 | rabbieth | the chapter about networking, i thought it was number five |
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| 11:50.28 | zamaliphe | on ec2 |
| 11:50.49 | EyesIsMine | Audio devices: 01:00.1 Audio device: NVIDIA Corporation GF100 High Definition Audio Controller (rev a1 && 04:04.0 Audio device: Creative Labs SB X-Fi |
| 11:51.21 | rabbieth | zamaliphe: i made a clone of the volume, restored a disk from it with a different size and used resizefs tool after |
| 11:51.24 | EyesIsMine | the pc itself is custom-built, but it's a Dell XPS thing |
| 11:51.54 | zamaliphe | rabbieth: no i dont want to resize it |
| 11:52.21 | zamaliphe | i need to mount an extra 4 GB or more when i need too |
| 11:52.34 | petn-randall | zamaliphe: that won't work. |
| 11:52.49 | zamaliphe | petn-randall: why ? |
| 11:53.09 | rabbieth | monod: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-reference/ch05.en.html somewhere here was a reference on what you need :) |
| 11:53.11 | zamaliphe | i know i can mount a full drive to /home |
| 11:53.25 | zamaliphe | i allready doing so |
| 11:53.27 | petn-randall | zamaliphe: you can mount further disks into the directory hierarchy, but you can't enlarge the root filesystem, unless it's on LVM. |
| 11:53.53 | petn-randall | zamaliphe: you're comparing apples with oranges, that's not what you asked for. |
| 11:54.05 | zamaliphe | !LVM |
| 11:54.06 | dpkg | [lvm] the Linux Logical Volume Manager (http://sources.redhat.com/lvm2/). Resources: http://tldp.org/HOWTO/LVM-HOWTO/, <lvm_tutorial>, <lvm removedisk>, <lvm movelv>, <install using lvm>, http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/410, http://sources.redhat.com/lvm2/wiki/ IRC: #lvm on irc.freenode.net. |
| 11:54.17 | rabbieth | zamaliphe: mount /dev/disk /mnt/tmp; mv /usr/lib /mnt/tmp; umount /mnt/tmp; vi /etc/fstab; mount /usr/lib ? |
| 11:54.22 | rabbieth | something like that? |
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| 11:55.31 | rabbieth | oh, btw, zamaliphe, i would also google about tmpfs. you could move some stuff, like /tmp, to a ramdisk |
| 11:56.30 | zamaliphe | rabbieth: ok if i want to mount the extra 4 gb to /usr would that work ? |
| 11:56.48 | monod | oh, rabbieth, that's the 5th chapter of the debian reference? so you mistaken the book yet not the chapter? |
| 11:56.53 | monod | you've* |
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| 11:57.44 | rabbieth | monod: yeah, looks like :) |
| 11:58.34 | pyrobisqit_ | how do I change the NickServ identification password for a server in irssi? |
| 11:58.38 | rabbieth | zamaliphe: well, yeah, with any disk |
| 11:59.05 | zamaliphe | rabbieth: thanks |
| 11:59.07 | petn-randall | zamaliphe: Mounting stuff over /usr might make your system unbootable, though. |
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| 11:59.23 | monod | btw, rabbieth, I've just finished downloading the handbook <3 my time is not a lot, I have to read 3 books of 500 pages each for my studying course.. and in the freetime I'm trying to study a "method" for attacking extra large numbers like those involved in RSA encryption... AND in the meanwhile I try to improve my linux knowledge, administrating my home pc.. written like so, it looks really exciting, isn't it? xD |
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| 11:59.32 | zamaliphe | petn-randall: how so ? |
| 11:59.34 | rabbieth | zamaliphe: probably it would be better to do it single user mode, which is not available on ec2, as i know |
| 11:59.40 | EyesIsMine | why is sound so hard |
| 11:59.45 | ksuhku | pyrobisqit_, /j #irssi |
| 12:00.15 | rabbieth | zamaliphe: some tools are used from there, but if you will put a line in /etc/fstab, it would work fine on fbsd. idk about debian, probably should work too |
| 12:00.34 | petn-randall | zamaliphe: stuff in /usr is needed to start up the machine. If you mount something over it, it might not work any more. |
| 12:01.07 | petn-randall | zamaliphe: it might make sense to ask in ##aws, I think there are ways to enlarge an EBS within EC2. |
| 12:01.27 | rabbieth | monod: hehe, nice :) you might also be interested in playing with openssl :) |
| 12:01.48 | zamaliphe | petn-randall: yes i know but i would like to keep it to 1 GB root |
| 12:01.55 | monod | oh.. that's really a foreign topic for me, yet I know it's a really important one |
| 12:02.18 | monod | (for example, I could connect to my home pc via SSL in a secure way and getting all my stuff abroad, right?) |
| 12:02.28 | rabbieth | petn-randall: zamaliphe there are possibilities to enlarge a disk in aws, and it would be really better than moving /usr to a separate disk |
| 12:02.42 | petn-randall | zamaliphe: What specifically do you want to do with the extra storage, then? Depending on that, there are different ways to achieve the goal. |
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| 12:03.07 | rabbieth | zamaliphe: what's the point in keeping a disk to 1G if you will need to create some extra disks? :) |
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| 12:03.49 | zamaliphe | ok the goal is to keep the snapshout low |
| 12:04.10 | zamaliphe | i can create a 1 GB root any time i want |
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| 12:04.47 | rabbieth | monod: yeah :) well, you just create a connect from one host to another via ssl, and on top of it you run irc, http or even ip (openvpn) :P studying openssl might give a better and quicker understanding of how it and encryption in general works :) |
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| 12:05.19 | EyesIsMine | goodbye pulseaudio |
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| 12:05.37 | EyesIsMine | crackling has mostly stopped |
| 12:05.44 | EyesIsMine | it's much less noticable |
| 12:05.47 | rabbieth | zamaliphe: well, that way you can restore 1G disk from a snapshot? but it won't be much useful without /usr, so you will need to make snapshots of another disk too |
| 12:06.08 | petn-randall | EyesIsMine: if you only have one control in playback, that sounds weird to me. Maybe you need a more current kernel? I don't know how old the soundcard is. |
| 12:06.19 | rabbieth | zamaliphe: i usually move /home, /var/lib/mysql to separate disks and keep rootdisk up to 2G |
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| 12:07.03 | zamaliphe | rabbieth: yes i do so also on my pc |
| 12:07.19 | petn-randall | zamaliphe: you are aware that snapshot only keep the changes of the disk, right? So a snapshot from a 10 GB will take up the same amount than from a 1 GB root. |
| 12:07.21 | zamaliphe | rabbieth: but on ec2 i dont need the mysql |
| 12:07.25 | petn-randall | *keeps |
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| 12:08.15 | zamaliphe | petn-randall: it looks like it take full image as it take the same xsact space |
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| 12:09.07 | petn-randall | zamaliphe: but you'll only get billed for the actual space used, Amazon uses thin provisioning. |
| 12:09.07 | rabbieth | zamaliphe: ok :) well, still, it's better to keep system and it's files all together on one disk and user data separate on another one. i so many problems when ppl were trying to split system across disks. believe me, there will be more problems and time losing than benefits you will get |
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| 12:10.06 | petn-randall | zamaliphe: The snapshot only saves the difference in data blocks between the image and your system. |
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| 12:11.55 | petn-randall | Classical XY problem we've had here :) |
| 12:12.06 | EyesIsMine | petn-randall, my creative-audio card (the one that it was actually using) has 15 controls |
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| 12:13.02 | speedplanet | hi does someone know what the new package is for pcmcia card utils like cardctl .. (was pcmcia-cs) ? |
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| 12:15.01 | petn-randall | speedplanet: pcmcia-utils. |
| 12:15.21 | debianN00b | Testing purpose i want to install kernel from experimental. Do i need to install required firmware again and i need to upgrade udev too? |
| 12:15.57 | petn-randall | speedplanet: uh, pcmciautils, without the hyphen. You can check stuff like that from packages.debian.org, btw. |
| 12:16.29 | petn-randall | debianN00b: does your package manager say so? |
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| 12:17.07 | speedplanet | ok ill try another inet search then :-( |
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| 12:18.06 | debianN00b | petn-randall, I think so http://paste.debian.net/243924/ |
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| 12:18.35 | debianN00b | W: Possible missing firmware /lib/firmware/rtl_nic/rtl8168g-1.fw for module r8169 |
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| 12:19.36 | debianN00b | but those firmware already installed for 3.2 |
| 12:19.52 | petn-randall | speedplanet: I did give you an answer. What's wrong with it? |
| 12:20.43 | debianN00b | expecting response from petn-randall :) |
| 12:21.04 | petn-randall | debianN00b: those will be in firmware-nonfree. |
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| 12:21.44 | petn-randall | debianN00b: sorry, firmware-linux-nonfree |
| 12:22.15 | debianN00b | already installed |
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| 12:22.58 | debianN00b | I just a reboot? Or i do need some manual things |
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| 12:23.27 | petn-randall | debianN00b: should be enough :) |
| 12:23.33 | debianN00b | ah okay |
| 12:23.37 | debianN00b | Will back |
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| 12:26.47 | debianN00b | 3.8-trunk-amd64 ? |
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| 12:29.09 | debianN00b | petn-randall, uname -r : 3.8-trunk-amd64 . Am i using correct kernel? |
| 12:30.00 | Nik05 | yes good experimental kernel |
| 12:30.04 | Nik05 | ... |
| 12:30.09 | debianN00b | :) |
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| 12:31.13 | rabbieth | 4dd |
| 12:31.16 | rabbieth | :qw |
| 12:31.17 | speedplanet | petn-randall nothing wrong, it's just me |
| 12:31.18 | rabbieth | damn |
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| 12:31.22 | speedplanet | gettin overheated better go to the headshop |
| 12:31.29 | speedplanet | cua |
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| 12:38.01 | debianN00b | and : DKMS: Install Failed (depmod problems). Module rolled back to built state |
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| 12:52.10 | petn-randall | rabbieth: At least you weren't trying to use emacs ;) |
| 12:52.12 | petn-randall | ducks |
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| 12:56.27 | rabbieth | petn-randall: i'm not that crazy ;) |
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| 13:03.41 | LinuxGirl | hello |
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| 13:07.11 | LinuxGirl | ChrisH, watch please :D http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NGPRHRfmqxE |
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| 13:14.02 | xgl__ | re |
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| 13:24.44 | petn-randall | pyrobisqit: I've no idea what you're trying to do. Could you rephrase your question? |
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| 13:28.32 | basic6 | The syslog is being filled with messages indicating that pulseaudio is using too many resources: the canary thread is apparently starving. / demoting known real-time threads / successfully demoted thread... of process ... /usr/bin/pulseaudio |
| 13:28.53 | basic6 | How do I fix that? Can I just uninstall pulseaudio completely? |
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| 13:29.30 | petn-randall | basic6: sure, but you'll use the functionality of pulseaudio. |
| 13:29.54 | SYN4PS3 | how could i slow down the fan speed with the use of nouveau driver? i have installed debian wheezy from weekly snapshot, it has 3.2 kernel version. |
| 13:29.55 | petn-randall | basic6: Can you sitepaste your logs? http://paste.debian.net/ |
| 13:30.03 | basic6 | petn-randall: I should add that I currently don't use any audio on this particular Debian box |
| 13:30.30 | basic6 | Sure I'll pastebin it, just a sec |
| 13:30.31 | petn-randall | basic6: If you don't plan on using audio, you can chuck it out completely. |
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| 13:31.16 | abderraouf | hi |
| 13:31.26 | rabbieth | hey |
| 13:31.30 | abderraouf | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.7/i386/iso-dvd/ |
| 13:31.36 | abderraouf | Apache/2.2.22 (Unix) Server at cdimage.debian.org Port 80, Unix??? |
| 13:31.38 | Malsasa | Hello, I have a text files containing 100 blogspot.com and 50 othernames.blogspot.com. How if I wanna change matching blogspot.com into #blogspot.com with sed, and dont affect the othernames.blogspot.com? Just matching blogspot.com has to be changed. Thanks. |
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| 13:31.53 | xgl__ | abderraouf > hi |
| 13:32.28 | petn-randall | SYN4PS3: have your tried the v3.8 kernel from experimental, which I recommended two days ago? |
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| 13:33.15 | rabbieth | Malsasa: < and >, probably they are need to be escaped. i don't exactly remember regex for this |
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| 13:33.56 | Ulrar | Hi, I have installed phpmyadmin but I want to connect to a remote database. I have added the connect informations in /etc/phpmyadmin/config-db.php but it still connect to localhost though a unix socket |
| 13:34.01 | SYN4PS3 | petn-randall, no ,could you please guide me more, i cannot find v3.8 in aptitude listing right now. |
| 13:34.02 | petn-randall | Malsasa: you can anchor your regex, or add a [^\.] ( = not dot) before the matching regex. |
| 13:34.08 | Ulrar | Is there a way to force it to use the information I have provided in the configuration |
| 13:34.10 | Ulrar | ? |
| 13:34.18 | petn-randall | dpkg: tell SYN4PS3 -about experimental |
| 13:34.32 | Malsasa | petn-randall: um, thank you but I am new in regex. Can you give an example? |
| 13:34.48 | Malsasa | rabbieth: thank you, but I need an little example to understand. |
| 13:34.57 | abderraouf | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.7/i386/iso-dvd/ ;;; Apache/2.2.22 (Unix) Server at cdimage.debian.org Port 80, Unix??? why you use unix? |
| 13:35.02 | petn-randall | Malsasa: no prob. What command line are you currently using with sed? |
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| 13:35.40 | Malsasa | petn-randall: this command: sed 's/^blogspot.com/#blogspot.com/g' coba.txt <<< my file is coba.txt |
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| 13:36.00 | Malsasa | petn-randall: that command was okay, but not replacing and saving into coba.txt |
| 13:36.10 | basic6 | petn-randall: http://paste.debian.net/243940 (syslog) always those 3 lines |
| 13:37.04 | pyrobisqit | petn-randall, dont worry, i solved it |
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| 13:37.18 | Malsasa | pyrobisqit: wow, solved :) |
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| 13:38.12 | SYN4PS3 | petn-randall, ok, i just want to install that kernel, i want to avoid other experimental packages be listed in my aptitude. |
| 13:39.01 | sianios | hello guys, just one question before i move my main pc from windows to debian, im running windows 64x, wll i have any problem with debian 64x on my computer or everything will be like debian 32x? |
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| 13:39.18 | petn-randall | Malsasa: the ^ matches at the beginning of the line. That should be doing what you want. |
| 13:39.58 | petn-randall | SYN4PS3: experimental is pinned at 1, so you don't have to worry about packages being installed by accident (see man apt_preferences). |
| 13:40.21 | Malsasa | petn-randall: yes, yes. Just known ^ function today, first tim ein my life :) |
| 13:40.25 | petn-randall | SYN4PS3: However, you can simply install the 3.8 kernel and then remove experimental from your sources.list. |
| 13:40.33 | Malsasa | petn-randall: but my text file doesnt change |
| 13:41.26 | rabbieth | Malsasa: use -i with sed :) |
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| 13:41.42 | Malsasa | rabbieth: oooh, okay okay. Lets me try |
| 13:41.53 | petn-randall | Malsasa: actually, use -i~, this makes a backup in case it screws up the file. |
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| 13:42.08 | petn-randall | Malsasa: (see the man page for details) |
| 13:42.22 | rabbieth | Malsasa: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/1032023/sed-whole-word-search-and-replace |
| 13:42.56 | SYN4PS3 | petn-randall, Thank you Sir, i will try that, is just installing new kernel enough or more works needed to to be done? |
| 13:43.10 | Malsasa | rabbieth: WOOOW, it works. My file changed PERFECTLY! Thank you for your fast and accurate support. Option -i does replacing and saving with sed. Thank you, rabbieth! |
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| 13:43.53 | rabbieth | yw :) |
| 13:44.37 | Malsasa | rabbieth: waah, is there a SO page? Just known. Thanks! |
| 13:45.01 | Malsasa | petn-randall: man page makes me frustrating, I am Indonesian. But thank you so much! |
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| 13:54.42 | petn-randall | Malsasa: learning English is never wasted time :). But doesn't Debian ship with Indonesian man pages? |
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| 13:55.14 | petn-randall | SYN4PS3: installing the kernel should be enough. |
| 13:55.24 | xgl__ | abs... |
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| 13:56.23 | Malsasa | petn-randall: yes, i agree and i learn english by reading and chatting like this. But man pages, english in there, is very technical. Difficult for me to understang. Even has been translated into Indonesia. I need times to understand :D So, asking channel is my best way. |
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| 13:58.52 | EduMass | Hello, I have an issue that I don't know how to solve and didn't find help in debian wiki. I have a EeePC 1015PEM, came with win and the battery works for 8~9 hours, now with debian works like 4hours |
| 13:59.53 | EduMass | the cpufreq is in ondemand mode ( I read a guy use ondemand and netbook last like 7hours) |
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| 14:00.36 | SYN4PS3 | petn-randall," linux-image-3.8-trunk-amd64 " is it the right kernel to use? that "trunk" does'nt mean sth bad? |
| 14:01.03 | petn-randall | SYN4PS3: trunk only means it's the latest version. |
| 14:01.31 | petn-randall | SYN4PS3: install it, reboot into it and check if it solves your problem. If it doesn't you can still safely uninstall it. |
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| 14:02.23 | petn-randall | EduMass: install powertop, and check it's man page. It will help you track down and issues. If you get stuck, you can ask again. :) |
| 14:03.23 | petn-randall | Malsasa: looks like malaysian isn't in a top shape in Debian :/. You can always help the Indonesian l10n team by helping with translations :). |
| 14:03.25 | EduMass | petn-randall, ok, thank you! |
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| 14:03.59 | Malsasa | petn-randall: yup, i like it :) |
| 14:04.34 | SYN4PS3 | petn-randall, it has conflict with initramfs-tools, aptitude gives error |
| 14:04.38 | abrotman | trunk doesn't mean "latest version" |
| 14:07.04 | petn-randall | SYN4PS3: try 'apt-get install linux-image-3.8-trunk-amd64', then paste the error mesage to paste.debian.net |
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| 14:07.58 | petn-randall | abrotman: ok, it means the main development branch. It's kinda the latest, though not exactly. |
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| 14:08.49 | SYN4PS3 | petn-randall, http://paste.debian.net/243946/ |
| 14:11.44 | petn-randall | SYN4PS3: oh, you'd have to upgrade initramfs-tools, too. Lemme think about it if that's a good idea. |
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| 14:14.25 | petn-randall | SYN4PS3: I'd ask on #nouveau if your chipset support power management. |
| 14:15.06 | petn-randall | SYN4PS3: if they say it's supported in the the 3.8 kernel (and only then), it's would be worth thinking about upgrading. |
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| 14:48.11 | SYN4PS3 | petn-randall, what happened? |
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| 15:13.21 | ChrisH | tekzilla: I would expect its the same setup as if you boot from Disk. |
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| 15:54.10 | M-16 | wanting to upgrade from squeeze to wheeze you advice to make a fresh installation or just change sources.lst ad do dist-upgrade? |
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| 15:55.36 | MarkG1234 | Hi, trying to set up my own git server (use svn at the moment, but the plugins are so badly broken in Eclipse, it's time to move on). Having some problems. Every guide I have read says the package "gitolite" will create a user when it installs. When not here it doesn't... |
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| 15:56.03 | babilen | M-16: The upgrade is documented and should be well supported. Some bugs are specific to the upgrade path, but I'd definitely give it a go. You could also install it from scratch (see <install wheezy> and <firmware images wheezy> for that), but that might be more work. |
| 15:56.20 | dokma | is there a way to see if grub can reach my logical volume from GRUB console? |
| 15:56.31 | M-16 | ok, ty |
| 15:56.44 | babilen | MarkG1234: You should probably read /usr/share/doc/gitolite/README.Debian* (and other documentation therein) |
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| 15:58.13 | babilen | M-16: It mentions that it asks you for the user and password for a dedicated user on first install. Are you usre that you are installing it for the first time? |
| 15:58.29 | babilen | err |
| 15:58.33 | babilen | MarkG1234: ^^^ |
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| 15:59.17 | et | i ran into trouble during an upgrade, but i don't know if that wouldn't have happened during a fresh install |
| 15:59.22 | MarkG1234 | the instructions are wrong. Just removed it and purge and it definately DOESN'T ask... |
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| 15:59.33 | jkbbwr | How can i remove all accocaited desktop crap via the terminal |
| 15:59.42 | MarkG1234 | I see this unhelpful comment: "Setting up gitolite (2.3-1) ... |
| 15:59.42 | MarkG1234 | No adminkey given - not setting up gitolite. |
| 15:59.42 | MarkG1234 | " |
| 15:59.42 | ikonia | apt-get remove/purge |
| 15:59.43 | jkbbwr | I got given a debian image with loads of desktop stuff i don't want or need |
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| 16:00.01 | ikonia | jkbbwr: but as you've got a mixed system with a debian system with someone installing ubuntu desktop stuff on it, you may have problems |
| 16:00.02 | babilen | MarkG1234: You can dpkg-reconfigure it (as mentioned in the README.Debian) |
| 16:00.21 | jkbbwr | ikonia: its wheezy on the raspberry pi |
| 16:00.39 | ikonia | jkbbwr: that's not what you said in #ubuntu a few minutes ago |
| 16:00.42 | babilen | jkbbwr: You mean raspbian? |
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| 16:00.49 | jkbbwr | ikonia: babilen not raspbian |
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| 16:02.01 | ikonia | jkbbwr: apologies, I'm confused, you where asking about this #ubuntu and you said it was a debian image that someone had put ubuntu desktop stuff on |
| 16:02.07 | ikonia | now you are saying its babilen ? |
| 16:02.18 | ikonia | sorry, I'm confused |
| 16:02.27 | babilen | jkbbwr: So, remove the packages ... See "/msg dpkg standard" for an aptitude search expression that you might want to invert. |
| 16:02.33 | jkbbwr | I didn't mean for it to come accross like this |
| 16:02.44 | babilen | jkbbwr: (that is sprinkle it with ! in the right places) |
| 16:03.08 | ikonia | jkbbwr: what actual distribution is this ? |
| 16:03.09 | babilen | jkbbwr: But if you want to remove gnome, then remove gnome, if you want to remove kde, then ... (and so on) |
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| 16:03.24 | jkbbwr | babilen: im just trying to track down a list of everything I don't need |
| 16:03.25 | jkbbwr | :L |
| 16:03.40 | babilen | jkbbwr: Please provide your sources.list and the output of "cat /etc/debian_version" and "uname -a" on http://paste.debian.net please |
| 16:03.47 | jkbbwr | give me about 2 minutes |
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| 16:04.13 | babilen | jkbbwr: Well, unfortunately there isn't a "aptitude purge ~everything_i_do_not_need" ;) |
| 16:04.21 | jkbbwr | babilen: i wish :P |
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| 16:04.48 | dokma | I've copied a filesystem from sda to sdc and then later made changes that caused new devices in /dev |
| 16:05.01 | dokma | how do I update those devices on sdc? |
| 16:05.09 | ikonia | dokma: devices on sdc ? |
| 16:05.12 | ikonia | dokma: sdc is a device |
| 16:05.18 | MarkG1234 | thanks, dpkg-reconfigure gitolite has got me a bit further, but the readme is VERY misleading. |
| 16:05.21 | dokma | there is a /dev on sdc |
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| 16:05.23 | babilen | dokma: /dev/ is typically managed by udev -- could you elaborate please? |
| 16:05.25 | dokma | that is out of date |
| 16:05.28 | jkbbwr | babilen: http://paste.debian.net/243976/ |
| 16:05.32 | ikonia | dokma: what do you mean, it's out of date |
| 16:05.38 | babilen | MarkG1234: File a bug |
| 16:05.39 | dokma | the running system is on sda |
| 16:05.52 | ikonia | jkbbwr: where is the lsb_release |
| 16:05.52 | dokma | and I copied it to sdc |
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| 16:05.59 | lilibox | hi, i am looking for any tiny smtp sender, for sending emails from mdadm, anybody recommend anything easy? |
| 16:06.05 | dokma | then I created an LVM volume |
| 16:06.07 | jkbbwr | ikonia: lsb_release? |
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| 16:06.26 | dokma | and now on sdc /dev there is no /dev/mapper/ |
| 16:06.39 | ikonia | jkbbwr: or cat /etc/debian_version |
| 16:06.51 | ikonia | dokma: what ??? you are not making any sense |
| 16:06.57 | jkbbwr | ikonia: I did, 6.0.4 |
| 16:07.05 | ikonia | ahhh |
| 16:07.12 | dokma | ikonia: old system is on sda and everything is fine there |
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| 16:07.28 | babilen | jkbbwr: Well, you have a very weird system there. That is, almost certainly, not pure Debian. How did you install it? Where is that kernel from? |
| 16:07.28 | dokma | I copied it all to sdc on a lvm on raid |
| 16:07.35 | ikonia | jkbbwr: ok - so where does the ubuntu stuff kick in ? |
| 16:07.38 | babilen | jkbbwr: I would recommend #raspberrypi btw |
| 16:07.44 | ikonia | dokma: sdc is not an lvm device |
| 16:07.45 | jkbbwr | babilen: they arn't great there |
| 16:07.46 | babilen | ikonia: nowhere I guess |
| 16:07.48 | dokma | but the /dev folder has no lvm volumes in /dev/mapper |
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| 16:08.01 | dokma | I have a raid array on sdc |
| 16:08.02 | ikonia | babilen: well, I'm trying to understand why he was asking in #ubuntu saying it had ubuntu desktop stuff on it |
| 16:08.05 | babilen | dokma: /dev is handles dynamically by udev |
| 16:08.10 | dokma | with lvm volume on the array |
| 16:08.11 | ikonia | dokma: /dev/sdc is not a raid device |
| 16:08.14 | jkbbwr | babilen: If you.re just starting out, this is the image we recommend you use. It.s a reference root filesystem from Alex and Dom, based on the Raspbian optimised version of Debian, and containing LXDE, Midori, development tools and example source code for multimedia functions. |
| 16:08.16 | ikonia | dokma: unless it is a hardware device |
| 16:08.28 | dokma | I said I have raid array on sdc |
| 16:08.35 | ikonia | dokma: yes, and sdc is not a raid device |
| 16:08.43 | ikonia | dokma: is your raid hardware or software raid ? |
| 16:08.43 | dokma | I never said it was |
| 16:08.45 | babilen | jkbbwr: So it is not Debian and leaves you (unfortunately) without an active support channel. |
| 16:08.49 | dokma | software raid |
| 16:08.54 | ikonia | dokma: when how can you have a raid on /dev/sdc if it's not a raid device ? |
| 16:08.55 | jkbbwr | bah humbug |
| 16:09.12 | babilen | humbug? |
| 16:09.16 | dokma | you know what I'm trying to say |
| 16:09.28 | ikonia | clearly |
| 16:09.30 | dokma | I have a raid array consisting of /dev/sdc and a missing disk |
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| 16:09.37 | ikonia | ok |
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| 16:09.48 | dokma | on that array I have one lvm volume |
| 16:09.53 | ikonia | dokma: ok |
| 16:10.00 | dokma | onto which I copied everything from /dev/sda |
| 16:10.25 | dokma | however when I try to boot the new system |
| 16:10.28 | ikonia | dokma: what type of raid is it, raid 0,1 ? |
| 16:10.28 | dokma | it cannot find root |
| 16:10.37 | dokma | because there is no /dev/mapper on the lvm volume |
| 16:10.40 | dokma | raid 1 |
| 16:10.44 | dokma | with one missing disk |
| 16:10.52 | ikonia | dokma: this sounds like a very bad idea |
| 16:10.54 | petn-randall | dokma: could you provide following output: 'cat /proc/mdstat', 'fdisk -l', and the output of pvs, vgs and lvs? |
| 16:11.07 | ikonia | dokma: you've copying /dev/sda onto /dev/vgsomething/lvsomething |
| 16:11.09 | petn-randall | dokma: that would be a lot easier than trying to explain the situation in words. |
| 16:11.10 | babilen | jkbbwr: But take a look at the standard task and how that translates into an aptitude search expression. You are, maybe, after something like "aptitude search '~i!~pstandard ~i!~prequired ~i!~pimportant' -F'100%p'" -- But please be aware that we /do not/ support anything that isn't pure Debian. I don't think that you can actaully run pure Debian on the raspberry pi, but I am not that deeply involved in that. |
| 16:11.13 | dokma | I could, I just have to reboot to old system |
| 16:11.16 | ikonia | dokma: or directly onto /dev/sdc |
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| 16:11.34 | jkbbwr | babilen: im just after scalping all the xserver stuff |
| 16:11.37 | babilen | jkbbwr: So, it looks as if you have to make due with #raspberrypi |
| 16:11.45 | jkbbwr | danke for your help |
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| 16:11.49 | dokma | ikonia: I copied sda to /dev/vgmain/root |
| 16:11.56 | ikonia | dokma: how did you copy it ? |
| 16:11.56 | dokma | that is the filesystem |
| 16:11.59 | dokma | not the device |
| 16:12.10 | dokma | rsync / /mnt/root |
| 16:12.21 | dokma | let me reboot |
| 16:12.24 | dokma | an pastebin |
| 16:12.28 | ikonia | dokma: ok, so have you now updated your fstab and grub config to boot from the lvm device ? |
| 16:12.42 | dokma | yes |
| 16:12.52 | ikonia | dokma: ok - so when you boot it looks for the lvm device, and can't find it ? |
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| 16:13.23 | dokma | it can't find root |
| 16:13.25 | dokma | yes |
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| 16:13.26 | babilen | dokma: /dev is dynamic -- that is what udev is for (+ lvm(2) and cryptsetup and whatnot) |
| 16:13.30 | petn-randall | ikonia: let him sitepaste the facts first, then we can discuss further :) |
| 16:13.42 | ikonia | yes, please info would be most appreciated |
| 16:13.43 | petn-randall | dokma: paste.debian.net |
| 16:13.50 | babilen | I agree with petn-randall :) |
| 16:14.19 | lilibox | dokma: i battled with the same thing the last weekend, good luck :) |
| 16:14.34 | dokma | lilibox: thanks |
| 16:14.46 | dokma | I don't mind battling as long as I understand in the end |
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| 16:15.02 | petn-randall | lilibox: as long as you won the battle ;) |
| 16:15.12 | jelly-home | dokma: it's atypical to have partitions on a LV, so it's quite possible the boot process doesn't even try to look for those |
| 16:15.19 | lilibox | 2 days, defeated :) |
| 16:15.40 | lilibox | it ended with reinstall everything from scratch :) |
| 16:15.42 | petn-randall | lilibox: if the RAID is dead, you won ;) |
| 16:15.59 | IngoPan | Hi, i am a Linux newbie and i´d like to know if someone knows this Amazon book and can tell me if its any good to enter the Linux world: http://t.co/OI8eAZShgM ? |
| 16:16.07 | lilibox | but i was kinda far in progress than dokma is now :) |
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| 16:16.17 | lilibox | i was unable add second device to md0 |
| 16:16.39 | petn-randall | IngoPan: that's not linux, that's about Python. |
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| 16:16.49 | ikonia | IngoPan: you are a troll, |
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| 16:17.02 | ikonia | IngoPan: you've been joining other channels asking the same thing for days with different books |
| 16:17.12 | ikonia | IngoPan: you did it 5 minutes ago using the nickname Miria |
| 16:17.17 | ikonia | IngoPan: so please grow up and stop it |
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| 16:19.06 | lilibox | petn-randall: now i am fighting this mission : https://dl.dropbox.com/u/25859330/IMG_0221.JPG ;) |
| 16:19.16 | dokma | paste.debian.net/243981/ |
| 16:19.43 | petn-randall | lilibox: that looks like a broken HDD or SATA crontroller to me. |
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| 16:21.17 | lilibox | does exist any tool how to prove it? how can i check it? |
| 16:21.29 | lilibox | i am going to change cables now :) |
| 16:21.48 | petn-randall | dokma: first thing, your /dev/sdc1 shouldn't have a system id of 'Linux'. |
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| 16:23.01 | petn-randall | dokma: it should be 'Linux raid autodetect' |
| 16:23.22 | jelly-home | petn-randall: it doesn't matter at all. |
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| 16:24.06 | petn-randall | jelly-home: IIRC it matters to grub, though I may be wrong. |
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| 16:24.54 | jelly-home | petn-randall: "can't find root" sounds like the boot process got past grub. |
| 16:25.26 | fulcan | does debian use USE flags? i have a singleboard device that totally does not need the man. how do you force install minimal? |
| 16:25.45 | petn-randall | dokma: so booting from /dev/sdc doesn't work, right? Are you booting from a stock debian kernel? |
| 16:25.48 | ikonia | singleboard device ? |
| 16:25.56 | ikonia | and does not need the "man" |
| 16:26.08 | ikonia | what has that got to do with an install minimal ? |
| 16:26.16 | jelly-home | dokma: does fdisk -l /dev/vgmain/root show a partition table? |
| 16:26.19 | ikonia | it's just 3 random statements couple with a use flag question |
| 16:26.47 | petn-randall | fulcan: Could you rephrase your question please? |
| 16:26.50 | dokma | I'm back, petn-randall let me fist try to fix that sdc1 System id |
| 16:27.05 | fulcan | how do I force install minimal to remove man and other needless junk? |
| 16:27.40 | ikonia | fulcan: use the minimal install CD ? |
| 16:27.45 | jelly-home | fulcan: how much space do you have available on the device? |
| 16:27.58 | fulcan | it's already on squeeze. |
| 16:28.08 | fulcan | I am installing package |
| 16:28.10 | fulcan | s |
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| 16:28.20 | fulcan | WAY beyond the cd |
| 16:28.27 | dokma | jelly-home: no is say does not containt a valid partition table |
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| 16:28.49 | ikonia | fulcan: then remove the packages you don't want after it's installed |
| 16:29.01 | petn-randall | jelly-home: the root LV shouldn't contain a partition table ... |
| 16:29.03 | ikonia | fulcan: a.) use minimal CD b.) use normal CD and clean up un-needed packages |
| 16:29.10 | jelly-home | dokma: alright. How exactly did you "<dokma> onto which I copied everything from /dev/sda"? |
| 16:29.40 | jelly-home | oh, rsync |
| 16:29.45 | Delf | Running debian wheezy. When "#service samba status" I get [ ok ] etc.. but when running a tmux session. I don't get the "[ ok ] etc..". What's going on? |
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| 16:30.12 | fulcan | I need syslog-ng but not the man and other needless junk. on gentoo you add 'minimal' to make.conf and the junk stay on the server and never touches the device. is there similar on vanillia debian? |
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| 16:30.14 | speedplanet | as answer to my own q package pcmciautils commands :pccardctl lspcmcia |
| 16:30.14 | jelly-home | dokma: well then. Is lvm installed inside the chroot? |
| 16:30.17 | dokma | yes, rsync -a / /whereIMountedLV |
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| 16:30.26 | jelly-home | er, inside the copy |
| 16:30.27 | ikonia | fulcan: you're not using gentoo, you're using pre-built binary packages |
| 16:30.31 | ikonia | fulcan: so remove the packages you don't want |
| 16:30.34 | dokma | hmmm.... let me check |
| 16:30.48 | petn-randall | dokma: you showed a different rsync line the time before ... |
| 16:30.56 | fulcan | ikonia I need half of the package |
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| 16:31.10 | ikonia | fulcan: then you'd need to rebuild the package |
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| 16:31.32 | fulcan | ikonia that answers my question. thank you! |
| 16:31.32 | ikonia | fulcan: however the man pages take up a very small ammount of space, so I wouldn't suggest his is worth while |
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| 16:32.23 | petn-randall | fulcan: I also doubt deleting the man pages to save a few MB will actually score you anything ... |
| 16:32.40 | petn-randall | fulcan: unless, of course, you're trying to install debian onto your mobile phone. |
| 16:32.51 | jelly-home | fulcan: there are some possible approaches, like apt hooks to remove any /usr/share/man content after installation. localepurge package does something similar with unneeded translations. Note that using this is rather unusual. |
| 16:33.06 | fulcan | petn-randall on gentoo the minimal USE flag will reduce package sizes by close to 70% |
| 16:33.08 | dokma | inside the chroot from apt I see lvm2 installed |
| 16:33.15 | ikonia | fulcan: the use flags do more than remove man pages |
| 16:33.23 | fulcan | yup |
| 16:33.26 | ikonia | fulcan: I suggest you stop using gentoo as a reference point |
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| 16:33.33 | dokma | from aptitude that is |
| 16:33.40 | jelly-home | dokma: good. what about mdadm, and is there a valid etc/mdadm/mdadm.conf in it? |
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| 16:34.49 | petn-randall | dokma, jelly-home: if you've got a stock debian kernel + initramfs, it should detect the raid and the LVM, then proceed to boot from that. |
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| 16:35.10 | dokma | mdadm.conf is empty |
| 16:35.18 | dokma | no arrays defined |
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| 16:35.39 | jelly-home | petn-randall: yeah, when it works. |
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| 16:36.23 | dokma | I've changed sdc1 to Linux raid auto |
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| 16:38.28 | WilliamWS | hi |
| 16:38.40 | jelly-home | dokma: use mdadm --examine --scan to generate ARRAY lines. Add them to /etc/mdadm/mdadm.conf. run dpkg-reconfigure mdadm and let the package know which raid array needs to be brought up at boot. |
| 16:39.29 | jelly-home | dokma: if your fstab valid and pointing to the right root fs? |
| 16:40.10 | WilliamWS | I am having problems with the download speed when using apt-get. I already tried to use others sources, but nothing changes. Can someone give me some ideia of what to do, I am stuck with this. |
| 16:40.36 | jelly-home | dokma: (alternatively, /usr/share/mdadm/mkconf to generate the whole mdadm.conf) |
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| 16:42.42 | jelly-home | dokma: I also suggest using a root= kernel boot param in root=/dev/mapper/vgname-lvname format in the boot loader config, as that makes (or, used to make) a shortcut in initramfs code to bring up all VGs available |
| 16:42.49 | dokma | jelly-home: thank you very much |
| 16:42.55 | dokma | I must go to the church now |
| 16:43.01 | dokma | but will do it and report back |
| 16:43.04 | dokma | byw |
| 16:43.06 | dokma | bye |
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| 16:45.46 | ChrisH | a while ago we argued about this weird 127.0.1.1 entry the installer adds. Now I stumbled over a situation where this entry leads to problem when trying to access cupsd via a proxy on the same host. |
| 16:46.17 | WilliamWS | 127.0.1.1? not 127.0.0.1? |
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| 16:47.13 | ChrisH | http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-reference/ch05.en.html#_the_hostname_resolution 127.0.1.1 |
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| 16:47.32 | ompaul | ChrisH: stick in localhost:631 and tell me if you see it |
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| 16:48.09 | ChrisH | ompaul: I cannot do that. cups and proxy are on the same system which is different from my desktiop |
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| 16:49.03 | ompaul | http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-reference/ch05.en.html#_the_hostname_resolution |
| 16:49.07 | ompaul | oh |
| 16:49.23 | WilliamWS | cool I neved heard about a 127.0.1.1 ahahah |
| 16:49.29 | WilliamWS | thank you for the link |
| 16:49.29 | ompaul | ChrisH: then 192. whatever |
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| 16:52.56 | ompaul | ChrisH: the browser should be told to ignore proxies for the local network |
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| 16:53.09 | ompaul | ChrisH: also with the :631 it's not really a web page ;-) |
| 16:53.18 | ompaul | ChrisH: your squid may be stopping it |
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| 16:53.20 | ChrisH | ompaul: now it does a connection refused... this matches lsof output cupsd 17049 root 10u IPv4 433563 0t0 UDP *:ipp |
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| 16:53.50 | ompaul | ChrisH: what's the browser saying? |
| 16:54.09 | ompaul | ChrisH: I take it you are not running X on that box |
| 16:54.22 | ChrisH | ompaul: the proxy says The system returned: (111) Connection refused |
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| 16:55.13 | ompaul | ChrisH: on the web page when you tried to get onto it from off the box your browser reports that squid stopped it and contact the admin of the proxy |
| 16:55.29 | ompaul | ChrisH: I've difficulty understanding what's saying what |
| 16:55.32 | g105b | How do I send a file via SSH (I'm stuck on a Windows box, so am using putty or git bash to do everything) |
| 16:56.15 | ompaul | g105b: pscp.exe on the windows box to pull it |
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| 16:56.54 | g105b | ompaul: sorry I didnt make myself clear... the client is Windows box, and I want to send a file to a Debian server over SSH |
| 16:56.55 | WilliamWS | where can I find the name of all packages installed when I select "desktop", "server", etc opitions on debian installer? |
| 16:57.15 | ompaul | g105b: pscp.exe on the windows box it will push it too |
| 16:57.22 | g105b | aha |
| 16:57.27 | g105b | thanks, I'll look it up |
| 16:58.12 | jhutchins_wk | g105b: WinSCP has a nice GUI interface too. |
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| 16:58.39 | g105b | I'm ok with the term |
| 16:58.59 | ompaul | g105b: it's all about paths when you get it sorted |
| 16:59.25 | ompaul | ChrisH: so is there X on the box itself? |
| 16:59.39 | ompaul | or even if it's not running are there apps on the box from X |
| 16:59.40 | g105b | ompaul: well once it's on the Debian box I'm happy. |
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| 17:00.06 | abrotman | WilliamWS: man tasksel |
| 17:00.13 | ompaul | ChrisH: ssh -X user@squid-box iceweasel and stick localhost:631 in there |
| 17:00.32 | ompaul | ChrisH: your acls may not be allowing it look at the box in question |
| 17:00.42 | ompaul | you have to let squid see the local network also |
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| 17:01.00 | fulcan | how can I get gps polling data into syslog-ng? |
| 17:01.38 | WilliamWS | abrotman, tasksel is used on the debian installer contained on CD? |
| 17:02.33 | ChrisH | ompaul: I working on Debian stable laptop and have a testing debian running as headless server. There cups and squid are running. I can connect now to the headless server (clio4) but cups is only listening on UDP:631 not TCP:631 thats my main issue. ACLs and squid is doing what is expected. I have no icewasel installed on the headless server |
| 17:02.49 | g105b | ompaul: that was too easy :) |
| 17:02.54 | Nik05 | testin as server? |
| 17:03.01 | Nik05 | or wheezy as server? |
| 17:04.16 | ompaul | ChrisH: in your browser you have an exceptions section, have you 192.168.0.0/16 in it |
| 17:05.03 | ompaul | ChrisH: note that makes assumptions about your local lan - if you have a 255 lan then 1.0/24 sorts that out |
| 17:05.08 | ompaul | if 1.0 |
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| 17:08.12 | ChrisH | ompaul: it is cups see http://paste.debian.net/243996/ line 58 |
| 17:08.31 | WilliamWS | Right now I noticed ping is returning around 25% packet losss, but the response time is very low |
| 17:08.34 | ChrisH | there is missing and addiional line with TCP *:ipp (LISTEN) |
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| 17:09.39 | ChrisH | Nik05: If you asked me, wheezy as server waiting hoping to have debian stable before I finished migrationg the services onto that bix finaly |
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| 17:12.39 | tharkun | Sp this server asks for tigon/tg3_tso.bin firmware. What package contins that file? |
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| 17:12.54 | WilliamWS | what can be the cause of 25% packet loss between this machine and the debian repo? |
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| 17:13.41 | ChrisH | ompaul: ahh.. there we are... cups changed the confile sysntax for Listen -- I simply took the old clio3 cupsd.conf and started with that |
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| 17:13.43 | WilliamWS | I tried more than 17 diferent debian repositories here. |
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| 17:14.27 | ChrisH | WilliamWS: then try to ping something completely different. I do not expect 25% loss for debian only. check on of youe local news sides |
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| 17:14.42 | WilliamWS | only for debian |
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| 17:14.52 | WilliamWS | I already tried to ping other servers |
| 17:14.57 | WilliamWS | all return 0% |
| 17:15.05 | WilliamWS | only debian repositories return packet loss here |
| 17:15.06 | jelly-home | tharkun: /msg judd file tg3_tso.bin |
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| 17:15.18 | ChrisH | WilliamWS: can you give me one or two hostnames to verify from here? |
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| 17:15.28 | WilliamWS | ftp.br.debian.org |
| 17:15.53 | WilliamWS | it was the one I used before |
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| 17:16.01 | WilliamWS | without any problems |
| 17:16.24 | tharkun | jelly-home: thanks |
| 17:16.25 | ChrisH | WilliamWS: its a bit slow from here but OK 21 packets transmitted, 21 received, 0% packet loss, time 20027ms |
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| 17:17.33 | WilliamWS | 5 packets transmitted, 5 received, 38% packet loss, time 8645ms |
| 17:17.41 | vaillor | http://pastebin.com/732CZG0k |
| 17:17.43 | WilliamWS | =/ |
| 17:17.46 | vaillor | what is this error? |
| 17:18.32 | ChrisH | vaillor: some line before that something went wrong while compiling |
| 17:18.51 | WilliamWS | vaillor, it is missing the error part |
| 17:19.19 | vaillor | http://pastebin.com/vAgb6nc8 |
| 17:19.23 | vaillor | now it's better? |
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| 17:20.08 | WilliamWS | from line 19 to 23 |
| 17:20.11 | WilliamWS | there is your error |
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| 17:21.14 | vaillor | and how to solve it? |
| 17:21.17 | ChrisH | vaillor: looks like you are missing some header files.... google for the first line with undefined reference to XXX and find out which header packahe (-dev) you are missing... maybe you want to use a debian package of what-ever-you-are compiling |
| 17:22.10 | vaillor | so what do i need to find? |
| 17:22.14 | vaillor | i'm not expert |
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| 17:24.28 | garulf | hi guys, can't understand how to change default session in slim. I tried to edit .xinitrc and slim.conf without success :S |
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| 17:25.21 | WilliamWS | vaillor you neet libcrypto-dev libssl-dev libpthread-dev |
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| 17:26.03 | vaillor | WilliamWS, unable to locate packet |
| 17:26.10 | WilliamWS | if you can not find one of these try to find similar names on apt-cache or on the debian site |
| 17:26.19 | vaillor | libssl-dev installed fine |
| 17:26.34 | vaillor | libpthread-dev libcrypto-dev are not found |
| 17:27.10 | vaillor | root@debian-VM:~/pgp/pgpry-0.1.1# apt-cache search libpthread |
| 17:27.10 | vaillor | glibc-doc - Embedded GNU C Library: Documentation |
| 17:27.10 | vaillor | libpthread-stubs0-dev - pthread stubs not provided by native libc, development files |
| 17:27.10 | vaillor | libpthread-stubs0 - pthread stubs not provided by native libc |
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| 17:27.23 | ompaul | WilliamWS: please paste /etc/apt/sources.list in http://paste.debian.net and in that lovely debian advert free environment free of distractions that might help |
| 17:27.27 | tharkun | is firmwarae-linux-nonfree arquitecture dependent or the 64 bit version will work on a 32 bit machine? |
| 17:27.29 | sencha | garulf, https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/SLiM#Multiple_environments ? |
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| 17:29.04 | abrotman | tharkun: a) how would we know, it's binary blobs b) check packages.debian.org |
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| 17:29.17 | abrotman | tharkun: given that it's set for "all" .. seems it would work anywhere |
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| 17:31.46 | thomaschaaf | I built a debian package and am currently building it with dpkg-buildpackage. I feel like I should switch to git-buildpackage because my version control is git. I don't however understand what pristinetar is. Is there a really simple guide to building a debian package with git as the version control behind it? I also don't understand why the buildpackage tool is bound to the version control. Why is that so? |
| 17:32.07 | tharkun | abrotman: Precisely. If "various drivers in the Linux kernel" implies a dependency on the kernel then compilation on different arquitectures should matter. But it is flagged as all. Isn't it ambigous? |
| 17:32.15 | WilliamWS | http://paste.debian.net/244002/ |
| 17:32.21 | WilliamWS | there is nothing special on this |
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| 17:32.55 | WilliamWS | ompaul /\ |
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| 17:34.45 | garulf | sencha, no but I solved, it seams the slim used in debian use xsession instead of xinitrc. thanks by the way |
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| 17:35.16 | sencha | garulf, ah, okay, glad you got it working |
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| 17:37.39 | vaillor | WilliamWS, i get the same error lines |
| 17:37.56 | WilliamWS | You managed to install all those dependencies? |
| 17:38.10 | ompaul | WilliamWS: this might interest you http://paste.debian.net/244005/ |
| 17:38.14 | abrotman | tharkun: huh? |
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| 17:38.45 | tharkun | abrotman: Forget about it dbootstrap to the rescue. </rant> |
| 17:38.52 | vaillor | WilliamWS, i installed libcrypto++-dev, libcrypto++8,libpthread-stubs0-dev,libpthread-stubs0 |
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| 17:39.13 | abrotman | tharkun: enjoy! |
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| 17:39.39 | WilliamWS | vaillor what are you issuing? make? |
| 17:39.51 | vaillor | "make" |
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| 17:40.30 | WilliamWS | you did ./configure before? |
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| 17:41.35 | WilliamWS | ompaul I still havin 26-39% packet loss. It is only for debian repositories. It is becaming a little weird... |
| 17:41.37 | vaillor | yes |
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| 17:42.06 | WilliamWS | then make clean or make distvlean and try the configure again |
| 17:42.07 | gele | are there any good incremental backup systems in debian that have a cleverer index structure than duplicity? it's annoying to have to go through dozens of backup volumes to restore one small file. |
| 17:42.07 | ompaul | WilliamWS: so ask your provider about their routing, I went to it from the other side of the planet it is dead sound from here |
| 17:42.10 | nell | http://imgur.com/a/QjCk5 |
| 17:42.12 | nell | oops |
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| 17:43.03 | WilliamWS | ompaul where are you? |
| 17:43.04 | ompaul | gele: you should look at both amanda and bacula |
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| 17:43.12 | gele | ompaul: ok, thanks. |
| 17:43.13 | ompaul | WilliamWS: Ireland |
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| 17:43.45 | ompaul | gele: there are many options, make sure you pick something that does what you want |
| 17:43.49 | babilen | gele: investigate backuppc too |
| 17:43.57 | Rapp | hi everybody |
| 17:44.10 | rryoumaa | gele: there are git ones |
| 17:44.14 | Rapp | is there some package with which i can make an arbitrary program run as a daemon? |
| 17:44.20 | Rapp | best if it is simple to setup |
| 17:44.34 | babilen | Rapp: What would it mean to run "ls" as a daemon? |
| 17:44.35 | vaillor | WilliamWS, and about this: http://sprunge.us/IUKU |
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| 17:44.40 | vaillor | can you tell me something? |
| 17:44.47 | babilen | Rapp: Or any other comparable program |
| 17:44.53 | ompaul | WilliamWS: you could install two packages traceroute and tracepath and enclose their outputs to your provider in your email |
| 17:44.53 | Rapp | context: i am running mpdas, which just runs in the foreground, logging some things. |
| 17:45.10 | Rapp | i want to start automatically at boot, detach and log through syslog or similar |
| 17:45.14 | gele | rryoumaa: in my experience git doesn't scale very well to huge repositories. |
| 17:45.31 | gele | babilen: will do. |
| 17:45.33 | jelly-home | Rapp: where does it normally log? |
| 17:45.34 | Rapp | babilen: my program runs endlessly, until killed or it has a fatal error |
| 17:45.39 | babilen | Rapp: So the program /is/ already a daemon, but you want to start it during boot? |
| 17:45.44 | Rapp | it logs errors when it cannot connect to mpd |
| 17:45.44 | gele | i'd prefer something that didn't need a server at the storage end. |
| 17:45.57 | gele | (other than ssh/sftp) |
| 17:46.00 | ChrisH | ompaul: after fighting against http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=530027 I can now setup my printers via web; due to this bux only with by-passing the proxy |
| 17:46.01 | Rapp | babilen: no, it is not a daemon per se (it does not detach) |
| 17:46.11 | Rapp | jelly-home: it logs to stdout |
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| 17:46.19 | Rapp | or stderr? haven't checked. |
| 17:46.21 | WilliamWS | ompaul, the problem is, that is only happens on Debian. when I try it on a Windows machine it returns 0% loss and I cna download packages from ti faster |
| 17:46.25 | Rapp | but stdio anyway |
| 17:46.26 | rryoumaa | gele: there are a bunch of rsync ones too; you would need shfs though i guess |
| 17:46.29 | SolusOS | hi there |
| 17:46.40 | SolusOS | ^^ |
| 17:46.55 | jelly-home | Rapp: apt-cache show daemon |
| 17:47.30 | Rapp | jelly-home: hm. might be what i need. |
| 17:47.46 | Rapp | years back i once used daemontools (http://cr.yp.to/daemontools.html) but djb's software is always a bit of a hassle |
| 17:47.51 | SYN4PS3 | how could i slow down the fan speed with the use of nouveau driver? i have installed debian wheezy from weekly snapshot, it has 3.2 kernel version. |
| 17:47.56 | ompaul | WilliamWS: is your network card ok? |
| 17:48.05 | jelly-home | Rapp: oh, if you already use daemontools they're an option. |
| 17:48.42 | ompaul | WilliamWS: think about the problem description, it would have this place flooded with complaints if there was such a problem on a software scale that we were all experiencing it |
| 17:48.43 | jelly-home | but some people dislike their additions to the filespace |
| 17:48.58 | Rapp | jelly-home: long, long time ago. plus i think they don't have debian packages |
| 17:49.15 | Rapp | oh, they do! |
| 17:49.25 | Rapp | i will try out daemon |
| 17:49.26 | Rapp | thanks! |
| 17:49.31 | vaillor | WilliamWS, have you seen my last pastebin? |
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| 17:50.50 | jelly-home | amusingly, the newfangled systemd has taken a number of good ideas from DJB's daemontools and ucspi-tcp |
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| 17:53.49 | WilliamWS | vaillor I tried to compile the same program. same error here |
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| 17:54.10 | vaillor | WilliamWS, nasty? |
| 17:54.19 | vaillor | are you talking about "nasty" ? |
| 17:54.36 | WilliamWS | yes |
| 17:54.44 | WilliamWS | no |
| 17:54.48 | WilliamWS | but yes |
| 17:54.50 | vaillor | i installed gpgme and all of dependencies |
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| 17:55.10 | vaillor | but nasty.c won't compile |
| 17:55.26 | vaillor | http://www.vanheusden.com/nasty/ |
| 17:55.28 | vaillor | this is homepage |
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| 17:59.14 | WilliamWS | Sorry vaillor I do not know how to solve this. |
| 17:59.27 | vaillor | what is the error? |
| 18:00.05 | WilliamWS | Ompaul, thank you for the help. I will keep trying here. sorry for flooding |
| 18:00.37 | ChrisH | WilliamWS,vaillor after a apt-get install libgpgme11-dev |
| 18:00.46 | WilliamWS | vaillor consider reading the README and the INSTALL |
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| 18:00.53 | WilliamWS | there is some usefull info there |
| 18:01.00 | ChrisH | WilliamWS,vaillor after a apt-get install libgpgme11-dev I am able to compile it on wheezy... it complains a bit but compiles |
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| 18:01.20 | WilliamWS | I can not go further because my stdlibbc++is stuck |
| 18:01.21 | ompaul | WilliamWS: what do those tools report to you? |
| 18:01.25 | WilliamWS | I need to solve this |
| 18:01.32 | legov | I have a headless Debian server that I want to run some java code on. When I go to install openjdk or even sun-java it requires X. Can I get java jdk wthout x on Debian? |
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| 18:01.41 | jelly-home | idly wonders what would someone need a pgp bruteforcer for |
| 18:02.00 | WilliamWS | jelly-home, I ahd the same thinking ahahahaah |
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| 18:02.16 | Ogurd | hello |
| 18:02.37 | vaillor | ChrisH, done, but won't compile the same |
| 18:02.38 | jelly-home | legov: "requires X"? |
| 18:02.45 | jelly-home | !tell legov about bat |
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| 18:03.55 | Ogurd | i tried to install wheezy from netinst, but it fails to configure my network with dhcp. If i try with manual config it goes to the next step withput saying if the network really works. |
| 18:04.24 | ompaul | Ogurd: were you attached to the internet by wire at the time? |
| 18:04.31 | ChrisH | vaillor: can you show on paste.debian.net the output of these two commands please: lsb_release -a ; dpkg -l \*-dev | egrep -e ^ii |
| 18:05.16 | Ogurd | ompaul, yes, by wire and the pc is the same i'm using right now, so everything should work |
| 18:05.35 | WilliamWS | ompaul there is some place where I can find a lsit of repositories ans its respective response time info? |
| 18:05.37 | vaillor | ChrisH: http://paste.debian.net/244013/ |
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| 18:05.57 | ompaul | WilliamWS: use cdn.debian.net as your part time friend (back up that file you have) |
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| 18:06.10 | jhutchins_wk | WilliamWS: netselect |
| 18:06.16 | legov | jelly-home: http://paste.debian.net/hidden/4bb0acb4/ |
| 18:06.28 | jhutchins_wk | WilliamWS: Your response times are unique to your connection. |
| 18:06.48 | jhutchins_wk | WilliamWS: It usually works pretty well to just let the automatic system point you to whatever it picks. |
| 18:06.49 | legov | I'm an idiot |
| 18:06.54 | legov | That works |
| 18:07.14 | Ogurd | i found this (http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/debian-26/wheezy-netinstall-cant-configure-dhcp-916416/) where it seems to be a di bug now solved but i downloaded the latest netinst image |
| 18:07.42 | legov | jelly-home: when I do openjdk it requires X even with --no-install-recommends |
| 18:07.48 | legov | w/e ill just install sun jdk |
| 18:07.52 | legov | thanks |
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| 18:08.58 | ChrisH | vaillor: these are the same libs as I have. difference I checked on wheezy. try rm nasty nasty.o ; make Not that I expect much from that |
| 18:09.26 | jelly-home | legov: I don't think it requires X as in X server, just a couple libraries. Re: sun jdk, sun java6 / oracle java6 is very out of date, and oracle has stopped updating it last month. 1.6_43 is the last update to happen. |
| 18:09.34 | ChrisH | vaillor: libs = -dev packages |
| 18:10.14 | ompaul | babilen: is there an issue with this weeks weekly? |
| 18:10.53 | vaillor | <ChrisH> vaillor: libs = -dev packages |
| 18:11.00 | vaillor | what i need to do with that? |
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| 18:12.52 | ChrisH | vaillor: check http://paste.debian.net/244016/ line 4 does it look the same with you? This is squeeze 32bit |
| 18:13.17 | vaillor | yes |
| 18:13.26 | vaillor | also do i get that line |
| 18:13.38 | ChrisH | vaillor: is your system 32bit or 64bit? |
| 18:13.42 | vaillor | 32 |
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| 18:17.15 | ChrisH | vaillor: OK.. here is how to fix it: vi Makefile and have the third line with text looks like this CFLAGS+=-Wall -O2 -DVERSION=\"${VERSION}\" $(DEBUG) -D_FILE_OFFSET_BITS=64 |
| 18:17.30 | ChrisH | simply add the -D_FILE_OFFSET_BITS=64 taken from http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=548036 |
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| 18:17.55 | vaillor | in the tail of that line? |
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| 18:18.35 | ChrisH | vaillor: yes |
| 18:19.20 | vaillor | ChrisH, nothing changed |
| 18:19.35 | vaillor | after editing that lien i done "make" |
| 18:19.47 | SYN4PS3 | how could i slow down the fan speed with the use of nouveau driver? i have installed debian wheezy from weekly snapshot, it has 3.2 kernel version. |
| 18:19.56 | vaillor | ah no |
| 18:19.57 | vaillor | works |
| 18:19.58 | vaillor | sorry |
| 18:20.23 | vaillor | thank you so much ChrisH |
| 18:20.24 | vaillor | :) |
| 18:20.48 | vaillor | i lost my private key passprhrase and i'm trying to get it back |
| 18:21.24 | ChrisH | vaillor: YW.. good luck |
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| 18:24.20 | census | Hi! I am running perl in debian via an Oracle VM VirtualBox. How might I open multiple "consoles?" |
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| 18:25.31 | ChrisH | census: ssh several times? |
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| 18:29.41 | census | ChrisH: sorry, may I ask how would I ssh? |
| 18:29.46 | fulcan | what is the LSB tag? insserv: warning: script 'gps-logging.sh' missing LSB tags and overrides |
| 18:29.47 | census | I forgot how I get this up. |
| 18:29.54 | census | and now I just have the settings saved |
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| 18:30.07 | census | do I go to Oracle -> Oracle several times? And hit Start? |
| 18:30.31 | wolfmitchell | How would I change the console resolution and font? (no X server) |
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| 18:30.56 | wolfmitchell | census, screen |
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| 18:31.08 | wolfmitchell | Ctrl+A then C to make a new console |
| 18:31.20 | wolfmitchell | Ctrl+A A to switch to most recently used one |
| 18:31.28 | wolfmitchell | Ctrl+A N to go to the next one |
| 18:31.48 | wolfmitchell | Ctrl+A (number 0-9) to switch to a certain console |
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| 18:32.20 | census | which screen? the debian console? or the Oracle VM VirtualBox Manager? That is, where do I type this control+A? |
| 18:32.57 | wolfmitchell | ... |
| 18:33.02 | wolfmitchell | enter the command 'screen' |
| 18:33.05 | wolfmitchell | if you don't have it |
| 18:33.15 | wolfmitchell | apt-get install screen |
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| 18:33.58 | census | It says "Could not open lock file /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (13: Permission denied) |
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| 18:34.23 | ChrisH | census: su - or sudo -i before |
| 18:34.50 | stwange | I've got a wordpress site where, intermittently and for about 5 minutes every few hours, Apache repeatedly reports child segfaults but then fixes itself. During the period it happens everything except internal dummy connections returns 500 so it's not one script. There are two servers behind a load balancer and it happens to both, but not together. Any idea how I can isolate this? |
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| 18:35.16 | census | su - took me to root@debian:~# .... |
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| 18:36.00 | ChrisH | census: now apt-get install screen |
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| 18:37.04 | ChrisH | stwange: segfaults means a process core dumps. you can try to update your apache or its it sthe lastest avaliable enable coredumps and check one using gdb |
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| 18:38.00 | stwange | thanks ChrisH I'll give it a try |
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| 18:38.45 | census | ok ... that finished. now i should do ctrl +A and C ? |
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| 18:39.12 | census | or am i not in the command screen yet? |
| 18:39.26 | census | last thing it says is setting up screen (4.0.3-14) .... |
| 18:39.33 | census | root@debian:~# |
| 18:39.41 | ChrisH | census: exit |
| 18:39.47 | ChrisH | census: screen |
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| 18:41.25 | census | it says Press Space or Return to end .... |
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| 18:43.47 | ChrisH | census: did you do it? then you will be inside screen. then you can follow wolfmitchell' explanations |
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| 18:44.04 | swee_ | Hi, how do i install this package http://mentors.debian.net/package/qmc2 |
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| 18:45.44 | fulcan | I have an sd card in my usb and I am trying to copy my entire system to it. when trying to mount it (just to verify it's the right device) I am getting 'unknown filesystem' error. am I on the right device? http://pastie.org/7092846 |
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| 18:46.23 | Mogget | I need to get a specific version of some software and would prefer it if I could get it as a deb file. Is it possible to search the repositories for sepcific versions? |
| 18:46.37 | census | chris: as i write, it is asking me to press space or return to end. do i hit space? something else? |
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| 18:47.14 | ompaul | Mogget: you may not find what you want if you grab the wrong version, care to tell us (A) what you are running (B) what it is you are looking for with it's version number? |
| 18:47.26 | ChrisH | census: again: press return and you are inside screen |
| 18:47.33 | ompaul | Mogget: if you mix and match badly it will break (that's a promise) |
| 18:47.52 | ompaul | Mogget: if you break stuff you get to keep both halves :-) |
| 18:49.11 | Mogget | ompaul: I am running wheezy and I want unetbootin version 494 because google says that after that version you can no longer use ntfs partitioned ubs drives. |
| 18:49.29 | ChrisH | fulcan: run blkid /dev/sda1 to find out which filesystem is on the SD card |
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| 18:49.53 | fulcan | ChrisH no output |
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| 18:50.03 | Mogget | Which makes it a problem since I need windows to work with my colleagues. |
| 18:50.28 | ariqs | why would they stop making something compatible with NTFS? that's a horrible decision |
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| 18:51.08 | census | chrish: i cannot make any headway with the ctrl+A .... |
| 18:51.13 | census | i'm not sure what i'm doing wrong. |
| 18:51.20 | Mogget | Agree, if you look on sourceforge pages for unetbootin the installer has skyrocketed for that exact version. |
| 18:51.28 | fulcan | ChrisH /dev/sda 'is' my sdcard? |
| 18:52.08 | ChrisH | fulcan: pastebin blkid without any parameter sda is a 64GB sized storeage |
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| 18:55.36 | xgl__ | re |
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| 18:59.26 | latenite | Hi folks, I have this process that produces HEAVY IO and I dont know why. What is this process doing and why? it on line 32 https://gist.github.com/anonymous/5228980 |
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| 18:59.58 | Seekanet | bloop |
| 19:00.42 | ChrisH | latenite: what filesystem is on md3 ? |
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| 19:02.58 | latenite | ChrisH, its ext4 |
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| 19:06.40 | ChrisH | latenite: I am not 100% sure,but I assume its a partof the journaling. If you do a lot of small file writung, this would explain the situation seen. |
| 19:06.42 | vaillor | (perhaps you need to redefine GPG and recompile) |
| 19:06.46 | vaillor | /usr/local/bin/gpg does not exist (or is in a directory I cannot read) |
| 19:07.04 | vaillor | ChrisH, if i type "gpg", it works |
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| 19:07.20 | vaillor | but the program i have installed, said me that message |
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| 19:08.28 | ompaul | Mogget: unetbootin and debian do not go together |
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| 19:08.55 | latenite | ChrisH, But then everyone should have this problem. I cant see how anyone can have a well performing box with this kind of IO load happening all thetime |
| 19:09.02 | ompaul | Mogget: as may or may not be obvious I was afk for some time |
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| 19:10.52 | tharkun | How can a user account be disabled to login? (Changing the hash on /etc/shadow to ! but the debian way?) |
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| 19:12.53 | ompaul | tharkun: man usermod |
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| 19:13.26 | ChrisH | latenite: it all depends on what you do. a journal is timeconsuming |
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| 19:14.46 | pats_Toms | hi, I want to copy file with root, but I got - No such file or directory |
| 19:14.48 | census | ok, i got it |
| 19:14.48 | pats_Toms | any ideas? |
| 19:14.50 | census | thanks chrish! |
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| 19:15.11 | census | wolfmithcell: thanks!! |
| 19:15.12 | census | :) |
| 19:15.41 | tharkun | ompaul: thanks |
| 19:15.43 | latenite | ChrisH, maybe it is because the fs is 3TB in size? |
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| 19:15.49 | ompaul | tharkun: yw |
| 19:15.58 | Mogget | ompaul: I found the deb file for lenny and installed that one. It works ok and since this is my use laptop I dont care if it has issues. |
| 19:16.07 | Mogget | Thanks for answring though. |
| 19:16.19 | Mogget | *answering. |
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| 19:16.33 | ChrisH | latenite: I would not expect it depends on the size. But you do not want an fsck for a 3TB filesystem after a crash |
| 19:16.46 | jhutchins_wk | tharkun: passwd -l <user> |
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| 19:17.30 | rryoumaa | online fsck would really be great |
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| 19:18.22 | tharkun | jhutchins_wk: nice depending on the day I'll use either usermod or passwd :) |
| 19:18.30 | ChrisH | rryoumaa: thats call zfs scrub :) and it cannot work with ext4 without locks and other ugly stuff |
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| 19:31.34 | eoss | why cant i install apache2? |
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| 19:32.26 | jhutchins_wk | eoss: because it's tuesday. |
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| 19:33.51 | eoss | jhutchins_wk: http://pastebin.com/wx2vknmg |
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| 19:36.14 | latenite | ChrisH, How can I turn of the journaling on etx4? |
| 19:36.18 | latenite | ext4 |
| 19:37.14 | jhutchins_wk | latenite: That really has nothing to do with the problem. ext4 does not have a performance problem. |
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| 19:37.59 | latenite | jhutchins_wk, but its jdb2 thats causing all the IO |
| 19:38.02 | jhutchins_wk | latenite: You can use the iostat program from systat to get more information. Use top or other load analizers to see what resource is being used. |
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| 19:38.31 | latenite | jhutchins_wk, what exactly to you mean by "resource is being used" ? |
| 19:38.52 | latenite | jhutchins_wk, do you mean the process causing the IO? |
| 19:38.52 | jhutchins_wk | latenite: The filesystem is not the problem. |
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| 19:39.42 | latenite | jhutchins_wk, all I see id jdb2 . So how can it not be the fs ? |
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| 19:40.14 | latenite | jhutchins_wk, how to do find out what s causing all this? |
| 19:40.27 | jhutchins_wk | latenite: Because everybody else running ext4 would be having problems like this. |
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| 19:40.47 | jhutchins_wk | latenite: I think you need to look at what exactly jdb2 is doing. |
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| 19:41.29 | latenite | jhutchins_wk, how to I do that? |
| 19:41.55 | jhutchins_wk | latenite: What are you using it for? |
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| 19:42.48 | latenite | jhutchins_wk, jdb2? noting I have intended. Its a process I have not seen before |
| 19:42.55 | eoss | so can anyone tell me why nothing will install? |
| 19:43.32 | latenite | jhutchins_wk, the ext4 is my 3TB filesystem where my virtual machines reside on |
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| 19:43.39 | jhutchins_wk | eoss: please pastebin your sources.list |
| 19:44.26 | eoss | http://pastebin.com/yju5xkug |
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| 19:45.13 | latenite | jhutchins_wk, what do you mean by "you using it for" ? by "it" you mean jdb2 ? |
| 19:45.17 | jhutchins_wk | latenite: What does uname -r show? |
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| 19:45.50 | latenite | jhutchins_wk, 2.6.32-5-amd64 |
| 19:45.54 | apm1 | eoss, you have no security repos |
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| 19:46.06 | gusnan | eoss, you don't have anything like deb http://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian squeeze main |
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| 19:46.12 | jhutchins_wk | eoss: You don't have a source for packages configured, only updates. |
| 19:46.20 | jhutchins_wk | !tell eoss about sources.list |
| 19:46.33 | eoss | i need to know what to put in my sources.list file |
| 19:46.34 | gusnan | eoss, you have only squeeze/updates |
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| 19:46.59 | eoss | i think i messed up on install because i declined 'network mirroring' |
| 19:47.23 | afreakkl | I just installed debian from CD , 12.10 I think, and it never during the install asked what I wanted the root pw to be(It asked what i wanted as usr pw) .. And now I dont know what my root pw is |
| 19:47.28 | jhutchins_wk | latenite: I would install the kernel from backports and see if it runs any differently. Apparently this is a known bug, but not necessarily in your particular configuration. |
| 19:48.04 | jhutchins_wk | afreakkl: THat's not debian. See #ubuntu |
| 19:48.17 | afreakkl | ah yeah it is lol sorry |
| 19:48.36 | apm1 | eoss, actually no you didn't mess up |
| 19:48.36 | apm1 | you just need to add repos in sources.list |
| 19:48.36 | apm1 | and do a apt-get update |
| 19:48.41 | jhutchins_wk | afreakkl: ubuntu doesn't have a root password. |
| 19:48.45 | latenite | jhutchins_wk, a bug? in the kernel? the ext4 fs? |
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| 19:49.02 | afreakkl | when i write SU it asks for pw atleast |
| 19:49.14 | latenite | jhutchins_wk, ist a stable debian. I hope not that is has a know bug in it |
| 19:49.59 | jhutchins_wk | latenite: A problem. That's why I'm saying it's not a flaw in ext4. It's a problem with your particular configuration, and you might work around it by trying a different kernel. |
| 19:50.02 | apm1 | eoss, this has the repos http://wiki.debian.org/SourcesList |
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| 19:52.44 | latenite | jhutchins_wk, I dont get the idea of yousolution. My configuration is super simple. md devices with ext4 on it all running on a debian stable. |
| 19:53.40 | eoss | apm1: thanks citizen |
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| 19:54.22 | eoss | finally, it's working |
| 19:54.32 | apm1 | glad we could help :) |
| 19:55.14 | jhutchins_wk | latenite: It's complex, you are running a VM on RAID. What's the host system? In any case, trying a kernel costs you a couple minutes and a reboot. |
| 19:55.30 | jhutchins_wk | latenite: Very easy to back out if it doesn't help. |
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| 19:56.15 | jhutchins_wk | latenite: At least that's what I think you've told us. |
| 19:56.31 | latenite | jhutchins_wk, that is my problem. I would have to shutdown 10 VMs and risk a recue reboot if the kernel fails |
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| 19:57.02 | jhutchins_wk | latenite: We can't guess accurately what your exact problem is, we can only suggest diagnostics and possible fixes. |
| 19:57.03 | latenite | jhutchins_wk, I was hoping to to take these measures. |
| 19:57.34 | jhutchins_wk | latenite: Ok, well, I'll go ahead and let you do whatever you think is best. |
| 19:57.44 | latenite | jhutchins_wk, If I realy do reboot. I will install gentoo and recent 3.x kernel. |
| 19:57.55 | jhutchins_wk | Hah. Go for it. |
| 19:57.56 | codygman_ | So I'm in quite a situation. My bootloader is broken and my usb drive with super grub rescue isn't showing up becuase uefi somehow got reactivated. I hope I'm wrong, but it seems like the only thing that can help me now is a windows 8 recovery disk. |
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| 20:00.49 | jhutchins_wk | codygman_: Be aware that Windows recovery programs tend to restore the original configuration - ie without Linux. |
| 20:01.04 | apm1 | EFI is annoying more people than i actually thought it would :( |
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| 20:01.23 | jhutchins_wk | apm1: Yeah, given that we've been working with it for years. |
| 20:02.01 | jhutchins_wk | I was putting CentOS on Mac Mini's five years ago. |
| 20:02.27 | codygman_ | jhutchins_wk: Do you know where I can get a windows 7/8 bootloader recovery download? Also, would the latest ubuntu with the shim boot? I think that might work. |
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| 20:02.54 | jhutchins_wk | codygman_: I haven't worked with windows except as a dumb terminal since 2004. |
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| 20:04.21 | jhutchins_wk | codygman_: I'm sure there's a way to fix your system without wiping out debian, but I'm sorry, I don't know what it is. |
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| 20:05.02 | apm1 | this particular bug worries me http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?archive=no&bug=703468 |
| 20:05.07 | jhutchins_wk | codygman_: THere's a lot of discussion of UEFI problems and fixes on the forums. |
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| 20:05.45 | codygman_ | jhutchins_wk: I'm currently trying to figure out how to get this iso: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/natty/+package/grub-rescue-efi-amd64 |
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| 20:05.59 | codygman_ | it is apparently uefi compatible |
| 20:06.01 | apm1 | the fact that the person who filed it didn't quite tell us what year/model the imac is thus its virtually impossible to tell what hardware he is running |
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| 20:06.32 | latenite | jhutchins_wk, the host will not even reboot. I can type "reboot" but no effect |
| 20:06.50 | jhutchins_wk | apm1: I think there are probably special considerations with Safeboot UEFI that aren't there for Apples. |
| 20:06.59 | latenite | jhutchins_wk, the VM are all turned of. It just the host running |
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| 20:07.25 | apm1 | jhutchins_wk, yes thats correct |
| 20:08.05 | peterrooney | over the years apple's produced over three dozen variations on "iMac". |
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| 20:08.53 | fulcan | is it possible to not have a swap? |
| 20:09.09 | fulcan | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:10.45 | psichas | hmm |
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| 20:11.25 | ksdncv | fulcan it is possible, although not recommended if you have a hard disk. By the message looks more like you havent mouted /proc. |
| 20:11.52 | apm1 | i have a thinkpad x120e which supports UEFI booting , back when steve macintyre was working on the first images of "efi-di" i had the misfortune of bricking it before anyone ever bricked their samsung's XD |
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| 20:12.28 | apm1 | however lenovo covered the incident under warranty and gave me a motherboard replacement |
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| 20:13.32 | apm1 | the other EFI system i have is a macbookpro 13" 2010 which has played well with wheezy since beta 3 di images came out |
| 20:13.59 | apm1 | but this bug i linked has me worried |
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| 20:15.06 | apm1 | and for the record i am running wheezy on the x120e still but this time under legacy-bios mode :) |
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| 20:16.07 | codygman_ | It appears that: sudo grub-install /dev/sda did not work. The windows bootloader still comes up :/ |
| 20:17.00 | apm1 | codygman, do you have a debian live image ? |
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| 20:17.23 | apm1 | try chrooting into your "/" and then installing grub |
| 20:17.36 | apm1 | it has worked for me in the past |
| 20:17.52 | unborn | codygman, you installed windows after linux? |
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| 20:18.44 | Sidze | hi everyone, I'm running on fresh Debian 6.0.7 and I would like to set up passphrase to start apache2 services ? I have already ssl keys, anyone can avoid me please ? |
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| 20:20.53 | jelly-home | that kind of reverse psychology trick doesn't work around here |
| 20:21.41 | codygman_ | unborn: I installed linux after windows, grub didn't work, used bcd windows boot manager and messed up boot manager. I am now in my working debian install thanks to super grub rescue. |
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| 20:22.02 | codygman_ | apm1: I'm in a working debian installation. |
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| 20:23.30 | apm1 | codygman, MBR reconfiguring is strange business in its own share mate , can be a thousand reasons why it doesn't work |
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| 20:24.25 | jhutchins_wk | jelly-home: I think he means advise. |
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| 20:26.17 | apm1 | codygman, are you sure you are not running on a GPT table |
| 20:26.22 | jelly-home | and here I was, doing such a good job |
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| 20:26.32 | apm1 | codygman, on your disk i mean |
| 20:26.35 | jhutchins_wk | Sidze: If you want to require a passphrase, use an ssl key with a passphrase. If you want to have no passphrase, strip the passphrase from the key. See the ssl howto for details. |
| 20:26.38 | jhutchins_wk | !ssl |
| 20:26.38 | dpkg | Secure Sockets Layer (SSL) is a protocol specified by Netscape that allows for "secure" passage of data. It uses public key encryption, including digital certificates and digital signatures, to pass data between a browser and a server, or more generally, all sorts of network clients and the respective servers. It is an open standard and most modern browsers support it. |
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| 20:28.56 | jelly-home | wuz the howto |
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| 20:31.20 | codygman_ | So, on debian wheezy you can't connect to wpa networks if they have a password of less than 8 characters? |
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| 20:33.24 | Sidze | jhutchins_wk: yes, I want to have a passphrase to restart or start the service, thanks about the ssl how to I will see it. I have start with ubuntu doc but seems to be wrong. Thanks |
| 20:33.48 | rww | codygman_: Doesn't the WPA standard require that passphrases are between 8 and 63 printable ASCII characters? |
| 20:34.09 | rww | or am I thinking of something else |
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| 20:35.33 | codygman_ | rww: Well I guess all routers don't folow the wpa standard? Because my friends router is wpa and it has a passphrase less than 8 characters. |
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| 20:36.14 | jhutchins_wk | Right. Different hardware, different standards, a real pain for users. |
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| 20:36.50 | codygman_ | I just wish wpa_supplicant had an option to disable the password length check since this has happened quite frequently to me. |
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| 20:37.20 | rww | jhutchins_wk: well, one standard, and various noncomformant implementations :) |
| 20:37.31 | g0rd0n | is there a way to have two php5 versions alongside in debian? in centos it is pretty easy but i can't figure it out with debian |
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| 20:38.37 | rww | codygman_: use http://jorisvr.nl/wpapsk.html , calculate the hex key instead, try putting that in |
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| 20:39.05 | rww | I am aware that telling you to use a website to generate a key to get Internet access is suboptimal :\ |
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| 20:41.38 | rww | incidentally, looking online, clients not allowing less than 8 character passwords seems to be a fairly common thing, so you should perhaps encourage your friend to not have a broken password because this will likely come up with other devices they want to connect to it in fututr |
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| 20:41.40 | rww | future ** |
| 20:42.10 | LV-426 | trying to upgrade a non uefi motherboard bios but stuck wih a MS-DOS flash utility... following the FreeDOS floppy approach mentioned here: http://www.richud.com/wiki/Ubuntu_Create_Floppy_Image only got me as far as a frozen dos prompt spelling '*** updating bios ***' - any easier approach to this? |
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| 20:43.15 | LV-426 | debian is running on the system |
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| 20:44.02 | blubberdiblub | LV-426, you can try if flashrom works for you |
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| 20:44.11 | codygman_ | rww: Will do. Also, it looks like the hex key worked ;) |
| 20:44.23 | codygman_ | Too bad wpa_passphrase also doesn't let you make keys less than 8 chars |
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| 20:47.17 | codygman_ | I say too bad, but I can't expect them to not follow the standard just because device manufactures are slacking on the job. Of course a flag to say "allow me to add any password" in wpa_passphrase would be pragmatic |
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| 20:49.50 | LV-426 | blubberdiblub, my board isn't listed but I'll take a look, thanks |
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| 20:56.54 | pawiecki | Hello. I have an old Dell Latitude laptop made in 2000 i think. The problem is that it doesn't have any internet interfaces. I found few PCMCIA wireless cards. One seems to work. I was able to install debian. While install it detected the card and used it to download some packages. But now when i logged to fresh debian system - standard edition so no gui - i don't know how to set the wireless card to work. |
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| 21:00.34 | ksuhku | 2013 Free software awards at http://libreplanet.org/wiki/Live |
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| 21:06.28 | SYN4PS3 | trying to update kernel from experimental , but it seems to have conflict with initramfs-tools : http://paste.debian.net/244050/ |
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| 21:12.12 | carandraug | hi! I've been using a lot of dh-make-perl to create debian packages of perl modules for my own system (I don't like the idea of having 2 tools keeping track of what is installed on my system). How can I be more useful and make this available to the community so it's available to everyone through apt? |
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| 21:23.09 | petn-randall | SYN4PS3: What did the people on #nouveau say? |
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| 21:23.41 | jelly-home | SYN4PS3: you'll need updated initramfs-tools from experimental as well |
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| 21:24.42 | jelly-home | SYN4PS3: use aptitude to install, and refuse the first suggestion when it tries to install dracut instead |
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| 21:25.40 | jelly-home | or just be explicit and apt-get -t experimental install linux-image-3.8-trunk-amd64 intramfs-tools # UNTESTED |
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| 21:26.39 | tharkun | What is the name of the program that does exactly what cfengine does? (simpler to configure) |
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| 21:27.28 | jelly-home | exactly? No idea. But there are puppet and chef and other config mgt tools. |
| 21:27.41 | petn-randall | tharkun: cfengine2? |
| 21:28.15 | jelly-home | cfengine3! |
| 21:28.18 | jelly-home | hides |
| 21:28.26 | tharkun | jelly-home: puppet thats it config management tool that was my search term. |
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| 21:28.44 | tharkun | petn-randall: thanks cfengine2 and 3 are nice but was looking for puppet acutally |
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| 21:30.30 | dawud | tharkun: there're many alternatives, many of them quite easier than puppet: check ansible or salt stack |
| 21:30.32 | SYN4PS3 | petn-randall, sorry for delay, internet connection causes lag, someone in nouveau said just with 3.7+ kernel i could manage the fan speed |
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| 21:30.53 | petn-randall | SYN4PS3: then install 3.8 and update initramfs-tools |
| 21:31.20 | SYN4PS3 | petn-randall, which way do you recomend? |
| 21:31.52 | tharkun | dawud: yes, but the job requires stock debian so no packaging outside the official repos. |
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| 21:32.10 | dawud | tharkun: oh, less options then :) |
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| 21:33.06 | tharkun | dawud: Also less work for the sysadmin on the long run |
| 21:34.14 | SYN4PS3 | petn-randall, is it good to use the thing friend here suggested? "apt-get -t experimental install linux-image-3.8-trunk-amd64 intramfs-tools" |
| 21:34.40 | ompaul | !experimental |
| 21:34.41 | dpkg | experimental is the bleeding edge of Debian Development. Packages here have been deemed unfit/DANGEROUS/untrustworthy/etc for release by the maintainer responsible for them. DO NOT INSTALL PACKAGES FROM EXPERIMENTAL WITHOUT KNOWING EXACTLY WHY AND WHAT YOU ARE DOING. #debian does _not_ support experimental. For an actual description, see section 4.6.4.3 of the Developer's Reference. http://packages.debian.org/experimental/ |
| 21:35.10 | ompaul | you break it you get to keep all the bits - and bytes ;-) |
| 21:35.11 | dawud | tharkun: yes, I have to agree |
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| 21:41.58 | tharkun | Is there a betting board on when wheezy is comming out? |
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| 21:45.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | yes |
| 21:45.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | dpkg, wheezy bet |
| 21:45.19 | dpkg | To add a bet to the <wheezy pool>, /msg dpkg wheezy pool 1 =~ s/!/! yournick=yyyy-mm-dd/ and when wheezy pool 1 is full, create wheezy pool 2 and update this factoid. |
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| 21:45.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | actually I think there should be a time when it's closed, though? |
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| 21:47.35 | ompaul | CutMeOwnThroat: the day after release |
| 21:47.59 | ompaul | CutMeOwnThroat: then it should cut off the previous 100 hours of input. |
| 21:48.22 | ompaul | and file that as did they really care or want to be right ;-) |
| 21:48.38 | ompaul | notes we are not in -offtopic (sorry) |
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| 21:50.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | it's so quiet, you hardly notice the difference anyway :) |
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| 21:56.59 | Kaurin | Hey there. I compiled munin from source, which worked. I decided to undo my manual installation and installed the munin and munin-node packages from the repository. Now, everytime I want to start munin-node service, It tries to start from /opt instead of /usr. Init files are debian's. I think that the problem might be perl related, like some perl environment libraries that stuck, but i'm not sure. Debian wheezy here |
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| 21:57.25 | Kaurin | environment variables* |
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| 21:58.16 | M-16 | hello |
| 21:58.52 | ompaul | Kaurin: grep and a source tree we don't have but you do might be useful |
| 21:59.28 | Kaurin | roger |
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| 21:59.58 | ompaul | Kaurin: one takes it you downloaded the source from the munin peeps and not debian |
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| 22:02.08 | Kaurin | yep |
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| 22:03.51 | M-16 | i was trying to install debian whhezy using netinstall cd image but at the time to configure the network it was unable to configure dhcp. I was told that was because of missing firmare and to use this one (http://cdimage.debian.org/mirror/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/wheezy_di_rc1/i386/iso-cd/firmware-wheezy-DI-rc1-i386-netinst.iso) but it gives the same error: "unable to configure dhcp" |
| 22:04.01 | M-16 | any advice? |
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| 22:04.35 | M-16 | on the same pc i have installed etch, lenny and squeeze and with all the network configuration worked |
| 22:05.17 | ompaul | M-16: by any chance are you connected by wire to the internet |
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| 22:05.36 | M-16 | ompaul, by wire |
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| 22:06.03 | ompaul | M-16: what kind of network card have you got? |
| 22:06.26 | M-16 | ompaul, Ethernet controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT6102 [Rhine-II] (rev 78) |
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| 22:07.47 | Kaurin | gents from munin channel just helped me out with my issue. When I compiled munin manually, there was a perl include that stuck, which takes precedence over the packaged config files. Removing that solved the issue. |
| 22:07.50 | ompaul | M-16: that seems to have been in main line since forever - I wonder if the card has had enough and is giving up |
| 22:08.26 | M-16 | ompaul, i'm using the same pc right now and it works |
| 22:08.29 | dokma | petn-randall, jelly-home: http://www.evorion.hr/boot.jpg http://www.evorion.hr/menu.jpg |
| 22:11.05 | ompaul | M-16: the only thing I can suggest is you try this slightly different 1 but if you install squeeze you should be able to dist-upgrade http://cdimage.debian.org/mirror/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/daily-builds/wheezy_d-i/20130323-5/i386/iso-cd/firmware-testing-i386-netinst.iso |
| 22:11.25 | ompaul | M-16: not having that hardware I can't test it |
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| 22:13.10 | M-16 | ompaul, i'm running squeeze right now but i would prefer o fresh install of wheezy than a dist-upgrade. i will try a live cd of another distro to see if the network card works with that. ty |
| 22:14.14 | ompaul | M-16: that's a test that is not going to show anything - you suppose the rc1 with blobs works ... maybe it doesn't |
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| 22:26.58 | M-16 | ompaul, you suppose that my network card could be broken, this is why the test |
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| 22:30.17 | ompaul | M-16: how can your card be broken if you are currently using it |
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| 22:30.40 | vaillor | hi guys |
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| 22:30.44 | vaillor | i have 2 files |
| 22:31.00 | vaillor | in anyone of them is there a list of words |
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| 22:31.19 | vaillor | i need to compose each word of one with each word of the other |
| 22:31.25 | vaillor | is there a way to do it? |
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| 22:36.20 | john_rambo | After some minutes of idle time the screen goes black/dark. How to stop this ? |
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| 22:37.19 | ksuhku | john_rambo, in gnome or ? |
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| 22:37.32 | john_rambo | ksuhku, XFCE |
| 22:38.34 | ksuhku | john_rambo, I guess you can do that via xfce4-settings-manager |
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| 22:39.47 | john_rambo | ksuhku, In xfce4-settings-manager there is only the power management. I have already disabled it |
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| 22:41.15 | well_laid_lawn | monitors come with their own power saving abilities too |
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| 22:42.08 | john_rambo | well_laid_lawn, No, thats not the case here |
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| 22:44.20 | ksuhku | john_rambo, does xset -q say dpms is enabled? |
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| 22:45.15 | john_rambo | ksuhku, Yes it says dpms is enabled |
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| 22:45.50 | ksuhku | john_rambo, maybe disable it or change the delays to suit your taste |
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| 22:46.18 | john_rambo | ksuhku, How to disable it ? |
| 22:46.34 | ksuhku | john_rambo, xset -dpms |
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| 22:47.18 | john_rambo | ksuhku, OKay/ Thanks |
| 22:47.29 | ksuhku | john_rambo, you're welcome |
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| 22:51.08 | SYN4PS3_ | how can i add pass kernel command line parameter like this? "nouveau.perflvl_wr=7777" |
| 22:51.18 | SYN4PS3_ | pass* |
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| 22:52.10 | SYN4PS3_ | how can i add pass kernel command line parameter like this? "nouveau.perflvl_wr=7777" |
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| 22:52.37 | ompaul | SYN4PS3_: from the grub screen press esc and add it to the kernel line of the kernel you are going to run, (side note please post once every 20 minutes) |
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| 22:53.33 | ompaul | SYN4PS3_: as in post your question and then engage in whatever conversation |
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| 22:53.54 | SYN4PS3_ | ompaul, sorry i thought that the message was lost, i sent it again |
| 22:54.15 | ompaul | SYN4PS3_: I'm using irc full screen - as do most users of it |
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| 22:55.31 | SYN4PS3_ | ompaul, is that way permanent to pass kernel parameter? |
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| 22:55.50 | ompaul | !grub |
| 22:55.51 | dpkg | [grub] GNU GRUB (GRand Unified Bootloader) 0.9x, aka GRUB Legacy. A powerful boot loader which can boot many OSes and understands many filesystems. To install: "aptitude install grub grub-doc" ("aptitude install grub-legacy grub-legacy-doc" for Squeeze). To reinstall, ask me about <fixmbr>. To migrate from LILO, ask about <lilo->grub>. See also <grub errors>, <grub2>, <supergrub>. http://wiki.debian.org/Grub |
| 22:56.04 | ompaul | SYN4PS3_: some where in there ^^ |
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| 22:56.59 | dvs | SYN4PS3_: GRUB_CMD_LINE in /etc/default/grub then run "update-grub" as root |
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| 23:00.47 | SYN4PS3_ | ompaul, nosh gorjei, thank you. |
| 23:01.11 | SYN4PS3_ | dvs, great, thanks |
| 23:01.23 | dvs | np |
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| 23:01.35 | ompaul | you're welcome |
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| 23:22.02 | drasko | for x86 64-bit we take amd64 even if we have Intel core i3, right ? |
| 23:22.09 | dvs | yup |
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| 23:22.44 | drasko | ok, thanks |
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| 23:22.55 | drasko | a bit confusing, I must admit |
| 23:23.12 | dvs | yeah, I prefer x86_64 myself |
| 23:23.22 | Towzzer | amd was the first with consumer 64-bit chips |
| 23:23.29 | Towzzer | I think that's why that happened |
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| 23:26.40 | Tramp | !why amd64 |
| 23:26.40 | dpkg | The Debian architecture that runs on 64-bit processors from AMD and Intel is called "amd64" because the architecture was first developed by AMD. AMD64 is variously known as x86-64, x64, IA-32e, EM64T and Intel 64 (most of which are the Intel marketing people changing their mind). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/x86-64 |
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| 23:30.12 | john_rambo | dpms is off but the screen is still going dark |
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| 23:39.28 | zacts | doc on how to install debian from one computer to another on my local network, without using cd/dvd or usb? |
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| 23:40.58 | babilen | zacts: You boot from the network (PXE) |
| 23:41.04 | babilen | dpkg: tell zacts -about install guide wheezy |
| 23:41.11 | zacts | thanks |
| 23:41.39 | babilen | dpkg: tell zacts -about install wheezy |
| 23:41.59 | babilen | (assuming this is for your personal use, you can, naturally, also install squeeze (stable) using this method) |
| 23:42.35 | zacts | so should I be using wheezy at this point? |
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| 23:42.47 | zacts | for personal desktop use, and personal server |
| 23:42.54 | zacts | s/,// |
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| 23:43.02 | basic6 | How do I DISABLE (not uninstall) pulseaudio? is that possible? |
| 23:43.11 | babilen | zacts: Yeah, wheezy should be fine for that. I am, in particular, referring to http://www.debian.org/releases/wheezy/amd64/ch04s05.html.en |
| 23:43.31 | zacts | thanks |
| 23:43.54 | babilen | basic6: /etc/xdg/autostart/pulseaudio.desktop ← that is responsible for it being started automaticallyu |
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| 23:47.31 | basic6 | babilen: thanks, i'll try to disable that desktop link |
| 23:48.05 | zacts | babilen: so does the computer serving the install to the other machine need to be directly connected to the other machine via a direct ethernet cable? or can I do it through my router? |
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| 23:48.48 | lapache | Hello, i have this message "/usr/sbin/dpkg-reconfigure: xen-utils-common is broken or partially installed" in aptitude |
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