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| 14:53.16 | stew | aricg: /usr/share/doc/sysv-rc/README.policy-rc.d.gz |
| 14:53.32 | Towzzer | apt-get install chkconfig |
| 14:53.35 | Towzzer | chkconfig mysqld off |
| 14:53.36 | Towzzer | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:53.49 | stew | Towzzer: what does that do? |
| 14:53.55 | fulcan | aricg mainly to check if lighthttpd is there. I know I loaded it yesterday but after reboot, it failed to start and without error. |
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| 14:54.04 | aricg | thanks guys. |
| 14:54.17 | Towzzer | removes the system link for mysqld from all rc directories |
| 14:55.13 | stew | Towzzer: first of all, that link doesn't exist yet if mysql hasn't been installed before, if it did, and you then installed msyqld, it would just replace the link |
| 14:55.24 | dokma | petn-randall, jelly: all is well! thank you guys a bunch |
| 14:55.32 | dokma | I learned a lot about initrd this weekend |
| 14:55.59 | Towzzer | what? |
| 14:56.07 | Towzzer | he said he installed mysql |
| 14:56.28 | stew | Towzzer: he was asking how to prevent mysql from being started when you install mysql |
| 14:56.43 | stew | Towzzer: and I don't beleieve there is any way to do that other than policy-rc.d |
| 14:57.16 | stew | Towzzer: removing links from rc directories is rarely going to be the right way to do something, since they just get replaced when you install |
| 14:57.53 | petn-randall | dokma: What did you do to make it work?!? |
| 14:58.06 | petn-randall | is excited after 48h of debugging. |
| 14:58.20 | dokma | petn-randall: added ext3 and ext4 to /etc/modules |
| 14:58.29 | dokma | and MODULES=most for initramfs |
| 14:58.34 | dokma | and update-initramgs |
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| 14:59.25 | jelly | wonders what dokma's /etc/initramfs-tools/initramfs.conf looked like if it didn't have the default MODULES=most |
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| 14:59.46 | dokma | I'll check |
| 14:59.52 | stew | default MODULES=random |
| 15:00.04 | babilen | heh |
| 15:00.13 | babilen | dokma: Would it have worked with MODULES=most without listing them in /etc/modules ? |
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| 15:00.25 | dokma | MODULES=dep |
| 15:00.33 | babilen | ok, that was your mistake then |
| 15:00.36 | fulcan | how do I check to see if this is loaded? or is this lsb warning a bad thing? http://pastie.org/7111652 |
| 15:00.50 | dokma | I don't even remember if I touched that |
| 15:01.01 | dokma | this install is 8 years old |
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| 15:01.29 | babilen | dokma: You make that decision during the installation. I don't think that you'll have to list them in /etc/modules though. |
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| 15:01.46 | dokma | babilen: probably not... |
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| 15:04.21 | fulcan | what file does update-rc.d write to? |
| 15:04.42 | fulcan | !update-rc.d |
| 15:04.42 | dpkg | update-rc.d is used to manipulate System V style init script links, which are used to stop/start system services. Read the update-rc.d man page for a good introduction to Debian's boot process. For front-ends, ask me about <rcconf>, <sysv-rc-conf>, <bum>. See also <insserv>. |
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| 15:05.49 | stew | fulcan: for sysv-rc it modifies symlinks in /etc/rc?.d directories |
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| 15:06.58 | fulcan | I'm just trying to fix lighttpd, not get dragged through the man blackhole |
| 15:08.02 | fulcan | update-rc.d lighttpd defaults -> no workie! |
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| 15:08.20 | stew | fulcan: how do you know? |
| 15:08.39 | fulcan | reboot, no port 80 |
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| 15:08.50 | stew | what makes you think update-rc.d is the problem? |
| 15:08.51 | fulcan | no error |
| 15:09.06 | stew | is it running? |
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| 15:09.12 | fulcan | no |
| 15:09.43 | fulcan | no log entry either |
| 15:09.59 | stew | what happens if you try to start it? |
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| 15:10.03 | fulcan | it's a single board device with no bus |
| 15:10.17 | stew | no bus? |
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| 15:10.19 | fulcan | it starts manually just fine. |
| 15:10.28 | fulcan | not at reboot though |
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| 15:10.54 | stew | what runlevel are you at currently? |
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| 15:11.09 | fulcan | no pci bus |
| 15:11.21 | jhutchins_wk | fulcan: Not reading man pages in the first place is how you get into situations like this. |
| 15:11.30 | ChibaPet | Hrm. What do I want to use as a package name when reporting a bug against the installer? |
| 15:12.05 | fulcan | jhutchins_wk man pages suck balls and never explain what the crap is actually doing. |
| 15:12.32 | jelly | ChibaPet: debian-installer |
| 15:12.36 | ChibaPet | jelly: ty |
| 15:12.36 | stew | fulcan: hire someone then |
| 15:12.37 | ksuhku | fulcan, you just don't seem to understand them |
| 15:12.54 | stameni | hello, i`m ubuntu user since 7.04, but i would like to use gnome again, not that i find unity unusable or something but its slowing my hardware, if i change to debian will i be able to install all the software i used to ? ( like inkscape, draftsight, gimp, rosegarden... ) ? |
| 15:12.58 | stew | ChibaPet: or use the installation-report package |
| 15:13.17 | ChibaPet | stew: Unfamiliar with that. Will look. |
| 15:13.25 | stameni | is it binary compatible with ubuntu ? |
| 15:13.40 | fulcan | stameni o.0 |
| 15:14.09 | stew | stameni: you can check for the availability of a package at http://packages.debian.org |
| 15:14.19 | jelly | stameni: ubuntu is not directly binary compatible with debian, but much of free software like gimp or rosegarden will already be packaged in debian |
| 15:15.15 | stameni | one more question, draftsight is not in the repositories |
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| 15:15.20 | fulcan | jelly ubuntu is binary bro. all puters are 1 step up from an abacus dude. |
| 15:15.30 | jhutchins_wk | stameni: Ultimately it's possible to install almost any OS software on any Linux distribution. Your question is probably more whether the packages are in the Debian repos. see above for how to find stuff. |
| 15:15.45 | stameni | ok, i understand |
| 15:16.05 | jhutchins_wk | stameni: I think that's a commercial package, you could check their web site for Debian support. |
| 15:16.18 | stameni | however ,draftsight is not in the repoes and on draftsigt offical there is .deb for ubuntu |
| 15:16.29 | stameni | does anybody know if it will install on debian ? |
| 15:16.58 | ChibaPet | stameni: http://www.lecramyajiv.blogspot.com/2011/11/installing-draftsight-in-debian-64-bit.html |
| 15:17.02 | jhutchins_wk | stameni: We look forward to your report. (There's probably something in their FAQ or forums). |
| 15:17.18 | stameni | thx all, i`ll look |
| 15:17.23 | jhutchins_wk | ChibaPet: Nice work. |
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| 15:17.37 | ChibaPet | DuckDuckGo FTW |
| 15:17.42 | petn-randall | dokma: YEAH. Found it at last :D |
| 15:17.42 | fulcan | does rc.d have a print config? |
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| 15:18.23 | stew | fulcan: ls -l /etc/rc?.d |
| 15:18.41 | fulcan | how do I seach all? |
| 15:18.43 | acu | how do I erase a cli history ? |
| 15:18.52 | fulcan | thatats 20 different choice |
| 15:19.05 | fulcan | I really need to narrow the choices down a little some how. |
| 15:19.13 | stew | fulcan: what choices? |
| 15:19.31 | fulcan | which effin directory lighttpd would go. |
| 15:19.55 | stew | fulcan: it should go in all of them |
| 15:19.57 | fulcan | because update-rc.d lighttpd defaults no workie! |
| 15:19.57 | petn-randall | acu: Either delete .bash_history, or if you want to delete the history of the current session, do export HISTFILE=/dev/null |
| 15:20.05 | peterrooney | acu: my favourite is kill -9 $$, but it has serious side effects that few people enjoy. |
| 15:20.05 | stew | fulcan: what runlevel are you currently at? |
| 15:20.23 | petn-randall | peterrooney: :] |
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| 15:20.47 | zykotick9 | acu: there is also a "history -c" for clear option |
| 15:20.54 | peterrooney | petn-randall: you can't say I recommended it whole-heartedly! |
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| 15:21.31 | tux101 | hi |
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| 15:24.12 | tux101 | exit |
| 15:24.16 | petn-randall | peterrooney: echo b > /proc/sysrq-trigger |
| 15:24.27 | fulcan | stew ty |
| 15:24.31 | petn-randall | peterrooney: ^^ also removes your session history. |
| 15:24.47 | goncalo1 | Hi again =) I am installing debian 7 and when I get to the "configure package manager" step it shows a progress bar that instantly finishes (the screen stays for a fractions of a sec) and returns to the step selection menu, after I select the "select and install software" option but it does nothing, returns instantly to the menu, what should I do? |
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| 15:27.53 | peterrooney | wonders if he missed the wheezy "stable" certification announcement? |
| 15:28.17 | ChibaPet | peterrooney: not yet |
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| 15:28.43 | ChibaPet | peterrooney: Don't be surprised if it's within a month from now. |
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| 15:31.24 | oktokie1 | what is the best way to start the iptables script? |
| 15:31.46 | Nach0z | sudo /etc/init.d/iptables refried beans |
| 15:31.48 | oktokie1 | I tried using the iptables-save & -restore method but it's not straight forward. |
| 15:32.00 | ChibaPet | http://wiki.debian.org/iptables |
| 15:32.06 | oktokie1 | Nach0z: thanks...I will take a look at it. |
| 15:32.15 | Nach0z | oktokie1: I was kidding :F |
| 15:32.18 | Nach0z | don't really do that |
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| 15:32.32 | peterrooney | goncalo1: examine the contents of /target/etc/apt/sources.list - configuring the package manager doesn't normally take a long time, especially if you've selected mirrors earlier in the install process. |
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| 15:32.54 | oktokie1 | I think I am just going to add iptables script directly to the /etc/init.d script like you've suggested. |
| 15:33.07 | oktokie1 | why is linux community keep making the scripting more elaborate. |
| 15:33.08 | ChibaPet | oktokie1: FWIW, it's not uncommon to just have a static set of rules somewhere - say, /etc/network/rules - and invoke it in an "up" line in /etc/network/interfaces. |
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| 15:33.41 | ChibaPet | oktokie1: Of course, the more complex your ruleset and interface configuration, the more interesting it becomes, so YMMV. |
| 15:33.47 | oktokie1 | the current situation is have script, and have script to simplify script. |
| 15:34.05 | oktokie1 | I don't want to learn the script to script!!! sheeze... |
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| 15:34.38 | oktokie1 | how I miss the simplicity of netbsd! |
| 15:34.47 | goncalo1 | peterrooney: That file only contains cdrom sources... Shouldn't there be a bunch of repos? |
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| 15:35.47 | stew | oktokie1: adding it to /etc/init.d is harder and probably less safe than just using iptables-save to create a file you can retrore with iptables-restore in a pre-up line |
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| 15:36.17 | peterrooney | goncalo1: yes, a bunch were expected. How odd. |
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| 15:37.01 | ChibaPet | oktokie1: You can follow the same model as you did in NetBSD. |
| 15:37.06 | goncalo1 | peterrooney: (thank you for your atention) Got any idea to solve this? |
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| 15:37.28 | ChibaPet | oktokie1: And you don't need to be subject to crashing bugs from core functionality nearly so much. :P |
| 15:38.03 | babilen | goncalo1: Which version of Debian are you using? |
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| 15:38.10 | ChibaPet | meetings, bbl |
| 15:38.52 | goncalo1 | babilen: testing (I just donwloaded the CD image) |
| 15:38.56 | babilen | goncalo1: You typically configure online repositories during the initial installation (if you have a working internet connection then). When did you install? Which version did you install? |
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| 15:39.10 | babilen | goncalo1: And you didn't configure your network during the initial installation? |
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| 15:39.20 | babilen | dpkg: tell goncalo1 -about make wheezy sources.list |
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| 15:40.37 | goncalo1 | babilen: I did, I have configured the network and I can ping google. |
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| 15:42.02 | babilen | goncalo1: You did that during the installation? |
| 15:42.30 | peterrooney | goncalo1: no experience debugging the installer. other than finding a reasonable sources.list elsewhere, i got nothing. |
| 15:42.54 | goncalo1 | babilen: I did it before the installation and I did it after.. |
| 15:42.56 | babilen | goncalo1: Either way, read what our bot sent you and adapt your /etc/apt/sources.list accordingly. You end up with something like http://paste.debian.net/244530/ |
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| 15:43.34 | babilen | goncalo1: The installer asks you to configure the network (ethernet, wireless) and will then configure online repositories. Did you do that? |
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| 15:45.28 | goncalo1 | babilen: No, the installer configures the network automatically. I have no options. |
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| 15:47.10 | acu | zykotick9, thanks, it is really cool history -c |
| 15:47.26 | peterrooney | goncalo1: I wonder if the installer debconf priority is set high and not low. |
| 15:47.42 | MO_Handes | how to print a command output and also write it into a file? |
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| 15:48.22 | peterrooney | MO_Handes: tee |
| 15:48.33 | goncalo1 | peterrooney: I think I'm going to just copy the repo's by hand.. |
| 15:48.51 | dimitry7 | Hi guys I need to compare strings with email addresses on a mailing list... I list the members on a mailing list from my server with #list_members anylist .... the thing is that I want to get address per address to be able to make the comparison... how can I do it. Thanks! |
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| 15:49.41 | MO_Handes | peterrooney, does piping the output to tee works?? |
| 15:49.54 | stew | MO_Handes: yes |
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| 15:51.16 | jhutchins_wk | goncalo1: That's how most of us do it - just edit the sources.list by hand. |
| 15:51.21 | MO_Handes | I want to sort the output of "ps aux" by cpu usage. any idea how? |
| 15:51.41 | jbroome | use top? |
| 15:51.56 | jhutchins_wk | !tell goncalo1 about wheezy sources.list |
| 15:52.13 | MO_Handes | jbroome, top is interactive |
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| 15:52.24 | jbroome | ah |
| 15:52.27 | acu | there is one more question: can you just not record what you type (or erase a single session) but not the whole history |
| 15:52.29 | acu | ? |
| 15:52.29 | babilen | goncalo1: I just gave you a complete wheezy sources.list ... |
| 15:52.29 | dimitry7 | !tell dimitri7 about wheezy sources.list |
| 15:53.10 | babilen | dpkg: "/msg dpkg FOO" (e.g. "/msg dpkg wheezy sources.list" or "/msg dpkg make wheezy sources.list) -- You can also ask the bot about all the factoids in <…> |
| 15:53.10 | dpkg | babilen: You are person #1 to send an unparseable request |
| 15:53.14 | babilen | gar! |
| 15:53.18 | babilen | dimitry7: ^ |
| 15:53.27 | dimitry7 | babilen, I am here man! |
| 15:53.32 | babilen | I know ;) |
| 15:53.37 | dimitry7 | :D |
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| 15:53.48 | dimitry7 | I need to separate line by line |
| 15:54.16 | stew | MO_Handes: ps aux | sort -k3 |
| 15:54.17 | zykotick9 | MO_Handes: try "top -b -n1" to use top in a non-interactive way |
| 15:54.39 | jhutchins_wk | MO_Handes: The man page specifies how to sort the output. |
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| 15:54.44 | dimitry7 | babilen, do you have any idea? |
| 15:54.55 | petn-randall | MO_Handes: are you writing icinga/nagios scripts? |
| 15:54.55 | babilen | dimitry7: About what? |
| 15:55.06 | babilen | dimitry7: I have many ideas, but I am not sure what you are inquiring about. |
| 15:55.14 | dimitry7 | hehe... I said this: Hi guys I need to compare strings with email addresses on a mailing list... I list the members on a mailing list from my server with #list_members anylist .... the thing is that I want to get address per address to be able to make the comparison... how can I do it. Thanks! |
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| 15:56.31 | stew | oh that should probably be sort -n -k3 |
| 15:56.34 | goncalo1 | babilen: wow this is getting hard for me. Even with the repos on the sources.list file, it does not install anything :S |
| 15:56.57 | stew | and ps should have whatever suppresses the header |
| 15:57.24 | stew | goncalo1: did you run apt-get update or aptitude update after editing that file? |
| 15:58.14 | MO_Handes | petn-randall, I don't have a idea what it is |
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| 15:58.23 | MO_Handes | stew, thanks guy that seems to work |
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| 15:59.16 | goncalo1 | stew: I just tried that and couldn't do it. = -/bin/sh: apt-get: not found |
| 15:59.46 | jbroome | goncalo1: you sure you're on a debian machine? |
| 15:59.47 | babilen | dimitry7: Should be relatively straightforward with Python. Take a look at the email and mailbox modules ... |
| 16:00.37 | babilen | goncalo1: What does "echo $PATH", "ls -l /usr/bin/apt-get" and "cat /etc/debian_version" give you? (→ http://paste.debian.net ) |
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| 16:00.49 | CDelapena2 | anyone here? |
| 16:00.55 | babilen | dpkg: tell goncalo1 -about bat |
| 16:00.59 | jbroome | no |
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| 16:01.22 | babilen | CDelapena2: No, you are alone among 1271 people |
| 16:01.35 | STMelon | 1272!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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| 16:01.55 | zykotick9 | stew: apt-get not being on the installer cd doesn't overly surprise me... re: goncalo1 |
| 16:02.12 | goncalo1 | jbroome: I am installing it! =) |
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| 16:03.22 | babilen | goncalo1: What are you currently working on? Did you finish the installation? What is the output of the commands I gave you earlier? Who are you working as? |
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| 16:04.15 | _c-- | i can't mount an nfs share on a debian system (vm) |
| 16:04.18 | goncalo1 | babilen: It looks like I don't have the apt-get nor the aptitude commands... only apt-setup, apt-install and apt-setup-verify |
| 16:04.22 | _c-- | I just realized that my Debian system isn't able to mount CIFS shares either (which is also shared from the Fedora system). if i mount my nfs share with -o vers=3, it says no route to host. if i mount the cifs share, it says the same. |
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| 16:04.36 | babilen | goncalo1: Did you finish the installation? |
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| 16:05.12 | goncalo1 | no |
| 16:05.16 | goncalo1 | babilen: no |
| 16:05.17 | babilen | goncalo1: Why? |
| 16:05.18 | stew | if apt-setup exists he must be in a shell in d-i |
| 16:05.26 | babilen | stew: yes, but ... why? |
| 16:05.33 | petn-randall | _c--: no route to host means that there's a networking problem. |
| 16:05.35 | babilen | goncalo1: So, finish the installation and come back? |
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| 16:06.00 | _c-- | petn-randall: i can ssh from the debian to the host i'm trying to mount from |
| 16:06.06 | zykotick9 | babilen: that's goncalo1's issue - they can't get past some step during install... |
| 16:06.12 | _c-- | and iptables is set to allow everything on the debian client |
| 16:06.27 | babilen | zykotick9: ah, which step is that? |
| 16:06.44 | zykotick9 | babilen: not sure, ask goncalo1 ;) |
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| 16:06.52 | babilen | goncalo1: consider yourself asked |
| 16:06.56 | petn-randall | _c--: Paste the full output to http://paste.debian.net then, please. |
| 16:07.08 | goncalo1 | babilen: I have installed the base system, but still am on the setup trying to install the rest of the system =S |
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| 16:07.32 | babilen | goncalo1: So, why don't you? |
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| 16:07.54 | babilen | goncalo1: You mean you are in the task selection and you've selected a bunch of tasks (such as "Desktop" and "Standard" and so on) |
| 16:07.57 | zykotick9 | goncalo1: if you've installed the base system, can you boot into it? |
| 16:08.29 | zafu | hi, is consolekit useful on a server? |
| 16:08.48 | goncalo1 | babilen: I am having problems choosing the tasks, When I select the "select and install software" option from the installer menu, it does nothing |
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| 16:09.25 | goncalo1 | zykotick9: yes I can boot into it, but I was trying to solve this without going that way |
| 16:09.28 | zykotick9 | goncalo1: are you using a text install? use space to select things, tab to switch fields |
| 16:09.33 | petn-randall | babilen: I think he mentioned earlier that the tasksel returns immediately, doing nothing. |
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| 16:10.42 | babilen | petn-randall: I wasn't here earlier |
| 16:11.13 | goncalo1 | zykotick9: (lol I'm that of a n00b) I am using a graphical install and when I select the "select and install software" option it just flashes and comes back to the menu again |
| 16:11.19 | petn-randall | babilen: oh, ok. |
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| 16:11.36 | __c-- | my irc client is having issues |
| 16:11.45 | __c-- | http://paste.debian.net/244535/ <- mount nfs failure |
| 16:11.49 | reavengrey | I so awesome |
| 16:12.25 | __c-- | http://paste.debian.net/244536/ <- nfs3 |
| 16:12.59 | petn-randall | __c--: and ping 10.17.2.66 works fine? |
| 16:13.44 | __c-- | petn-randall: yes, and so does SSH |
| 16:13.48 | zykotick9 | goncalo1: sorry, i don't have any further suggestions. good luck. |
| 16:14.06 | stew | __c--: sounds like a problem specific to udp then, can you test udp with netcat? |
| 16:14.11 | goncalo1 | zykotick9: Thank you anyway =) |
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| 16:14.29 | babilen | goncalo1: Which image do you use? |
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| 16:14.39 | babilen | goncalo1: And how are you connected to the internet? |
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| 16:14.52 | __c-- | i still have a feeling it may be nic related, it's a kvm vm and i have another vm (not kvm) which mounts the same share without a problem |
| 16:15.34 | babilen | goncalo1: And just to clarify: You try to enter the task selection, but you immediately get back to the main menu? (I have never ever used the graphical installer, so I am not entirely sure what to expect) |
| 16:15.37 | goncalo1 | babilen: CD i386 image (used unetbootin) connected by cable |
| 16:16.04 | babilen | goncalo1: unetbootin ... |
| 16:16.11 | zykotick9 | babilen: i have the same, non-experience, with the gui installer ;) goncalo1 |
| 16:16.19 | __c-- | stew: like this? http://paste.debian.net/244537/ |
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| 16:17.11 | stew | __c--: that's tcp, but this really seems more and more like a problem with one of the routers in between you and the nfs server |
| 16:17.15 | goncalo1 | babilen: yes that's what happens.. Soooo should I try the text install? |
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| 16:17.24 | babilen | goncalo1: unetbootin is not support and is known to break our installers. You really shouldn't use it. Ok, so you /do/ have a working internet connection during the installation? Why did you choose i386 and not amd64? (How much RAM do you have?) How are you connected to the internet? Do you know the the model of your wireless adaptor and ethernet card? |
| 16:17.30 | sparr | I want to apply version control to an entire debian filesystem, including /bin and /etc and /var and so on. Can anyone recommend a good software solution for doing this? I expect multiple people to have copies of the filesystem checked out, making changes, and be able to reconcile those changes when checking them in. |
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| 16:17.38 | babilen | dpkg: tell goncalo1 -about install wheezy |
| 16:17.44 | babilen | dpkg: tell goncalo1 -about firmware images wheezy |
| 16:17.53 | babilen | dpkg: tell goncalo1 about usb install wheezy |
| 16:17.53 | Towzzer | C- are you on the same network as that nfs server |
| 16:17.56 | Towzzer | because you are using an internal ip |
| 16:18.15 | __c-- | on the host: http://paste.debian.net/244538/ |
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| 16:18.20 | goncalo1 | babilen: I have i386 because I have a 32bit CPU.. |
| 16:18.21 | petn-randall | __c--: I don't think NFS goes well through NAT. |
| 16:18.44 | __c-- | sparr: there's no router in between, the client is a virtual machine running on the same physical machine like the host. |
| 16:18.55 | __c-- | it has a virtual nic, i guess that's the problem |
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| 16:18.59 | sparr | __c--: wrong person |
| 16:19.19 | babilen | goncalo1: First and foremost: Don't use an installer created with unetbootin as you /will/ run into all sorts of problems. If you have a working internet connetion I would recommend to use the netinst image with firmware and create it using the method details in the installation guide (cp debian.iso /dev/sdX ; sync) which assumes that you have access to a Linux system. |
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| 16:19.27 | babilen | goncalo1: Do you? |
| 16:19.30 | porto | hi |
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| 16:19.36 | porto | need help please |
| 16:19.44 | __c-- | sparr: ? |
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| 16:19.56 | sparr | __c--: you said my name, probably accidentally |
| 16:20.00 | __c-- | sparr: oh sorry i mean petn-randall |
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| 16:20.03 | Towzzer | c- are you bridging those nics? |
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| 16:20.39 | porto | when i do apt-get upgrade appears http://pastebin.com/qEkPdRUs |
| 16:20.45 | porto | please anyone can help? |
| 16:20.50 | petn-randall | __c--: no way. The line you posted contained: addr=10.17.2.66,clientaddr=192.168.122.118 |
| 16:20.58 | petn-randall | __c--: That is /not/ the same subnet. |
| 16:21.20 | __c-- | petn-randall: right so let me quickly post the same thing with 192.168.122.1, because that's the same thing |
| 16:21.26 | Towzzer | /usr/bin/python -v porto |
| 16:21.33 | __c-- | 192.168.122.1 == 10.17.2.66 and ssh works to both |
| 16:21.35 | goncalo1 | babilen: I do |
| 16:21.41 | Towzzer | I mean, porto can you do a version on /usr/bin/python |
| 16:21.59 | Towzzer | __c can you ping that 10 address from the vm |
| 16:22.20 | porto | yes Towzzer |
| 16:22.31 | porto | Python 2.7.3 (default, Mar 4 2013, 14:57:34) |
| 16:22.31 | porto | [GCC 4.7.2] on linux2 |
| 16:23.02 | __c-- | petn-randall: http://paste.debian.net/244540/ |
| 16:23.06 | Towzzer | how about this |
| 16:23.18 | goncalo1 | babilen: So I'm going to do it from scratch. To get a testing install with a netinst image all I have to do is change the repos roght? |
| 16:23.35 | Towzzer | wonder if you can remove gdebi-core |
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| 16:23.40 | __c-- | Towzzer: yes i can ping it and i can ssh to it as well |
| 16:23.41 | Towzzer | or if it's some core package |
| 16:23.43 | babilen | goncalo1: Ok, so download the netinst image with firmware and copy it to the usb stick. ("cp firmware-wheezy-DI-rc1-i386-netinst.iso /dev/sdX ; sync" and replace /dev/sdX in there with the block device of your USB stick (check "dmesg|tail -n23" after plugging it in) |
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| 16:23.52 | Towzzer | then how can you get no route to host, that doesn't make sense |
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| 16:24.27 | __c-- | Towzzer: that's what i was thinking... |
| 16:24.34 | Towzzer | nc <ip> 22 |
| 16:24.36 | petn-randall | __c--: please paste the output of 'route -n', 'ip addr' and 'iptables -L -v' from both machines. |
| 16:24.50 | babilen | goncalo1: I would personally use the expert text install (the graphical one should work fine though), but I've never encountered that error. I simply blame unetbootin at this point as it causes all kind of trouble and almost never works .. |
| 16:25.39 | goncalo1 | babilen: what do you mean by the image with firmware? |
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| 16:26.11 | __c-- | petn-randall: Client: http://paste.debian.net/244541/ |
| 16:26.18 | goncalo1 | babilen: can't I use 'if of? to install the iso on the pen? |
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| 16:26.33 | babilen | goncalo1: The bot sent you a number of links. Among them http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/wheezy_di_rc1/i386/iso-cd/ which is what I am referring to |
| 16:26.35 | TheWarden | Hi, I'm trying to build an automated Debian Squeeze installer via USB. I'm setting up my preseed file and was wondering, can I install pre-downloaded packages from the official repository to be installed to safe download time? I still want the ability to have those packages updated when an update is made available. |
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| 16:27.25 | babilen | goncalo1: No, you don't need dd and cp will be faster and less error prone (due to its easier syntax) than "dd if= ... of=..." |
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| 16:27.59 | babilen | goncalo1: You can use it, but then I would adjust the blocksize to something a bit larger than the default. (one megabyte for example) -- cp will scale that automatically for you. |
| 16:28.08 | __c-- | petn-randall: Host there's quite a lot http://paste.debian.net/244543/ |
| 16:28.21 | stew | "cp foo.iso /dev/yourusb" is easy to remember and fast |
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| 16:28.32 | goncalo1 | babilen: ok I'll use cp then(didn't know cp could mount images) |
| 16:28.33 | babilen | goncalo1: I mean feel free to do what you want :) -- Both methods should work, but I would follow the instructions in the installation guide (see the links our bot sent you) |
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| 16:29.33 | stew | cp can't mount images |
| 16:29.48 | stew | it just copies files |
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| 16:30.04 | babilen | goncalo1: No, you don't mount the image or anything. You copy the image to the block device of your USB stick -- You don't copy it to a filesystem on the stick (so not /dev/sdb1 but /dev/sdb) -- It just copies data ... |
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| 16:30.17 | goncalo1 | stew: so how does is make a bootable pen from an iso image? |
| 16:30.19 | stew | an iso is a file, a usb drive is a file |
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| 16:30.33 | goncalo1 | ohhh I see :D didn't know that |
| 16:30.38 | stew | goncalo1: the iso is bootable |
| 16:30.48 | babilen | goncalo1: So please plug in your USB stick and run "dmesg|tail -n 23" and check which device it is. (e.g. /dev/sdb or /dev/sdc or ...) -- Paste that output if you are unsure. (really, don't get this wrong) |
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| 16:30.57 | babilen | dpkg: tell goncalo1 about hybrid images |
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| 16:32.14 | babilen | goncalo1: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Everything_is_a_file |
| 16:32.46 | goncalo1 | babilen: It's sdd =) |
| 16:32.59 | M-16 | i installed wheezy with xfce, it happens that some gtk application fit the main theme and others don't |
| 16:33.02 | M-16 | here an example: http://i50.tinypic.com/2ue65c2.png |
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| 16:33.24 | babilen | goncalo1: Once you know the block device of your stick (sdd as you just inform me) you can run "cp firmware-wheezy-DI-rc1-i386-netinst.iso /dev/sdd ; sync" |
| 16:34.08 | babilen | M-16: What is the problem? (sorry, might be blind) |
| 16:34.11 | nkuttler | M-16: did you install transmission-gtk ? |
| 16:34.20 | goncalo1 | babilen: shouldn't I format the pen before doing that? |
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| 16:34.56 | M-16 | nkuttler, yes, it's installed |
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| 16:35.08 | nkuttler | M-16: gtk 2 vs 3 it seems |
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| 16:35.12 | babilen | goncalo1: No, you shouldn't. "formatting" means "to create a filesystem" as you copy the actual image (with the filesystems and partition information) *directly* to the stick you neither need nor want a filesystem there already. |
| 16:35.16 | nkuttler | M-16: check the depends |
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| 16:35.26 | harryfoobar42 | hello everybody |
| 16:35.30 | nkuttler | M-16: you probably have to switch looks for them separately.. |
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| 16:35.49 | M-16 | nkuttler, i hadn't this problem in squeeze? you mean the one with square buttons is gtk3? |
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| 16:36.13 | harryfoobar42 | where can i get the sources of the debian experiemental kernel ? |
| 16:36.23 | nkuttler | M-16: no idea, like i said check the deps |
| 16:36.34 | nkuttler | harryfoobar42: apt-get source, like always |
| 16:36.55 | babilen | goncalo1: Please let me know if you don't understand this. I know that this might be a bit hard to understand, but I am simply not sure where to start in the explanation. :) |
| 16:37.03 | harryfoobar42 | that doesn't work |
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| 16:37.31 | harryfoobar42 | with apt-get source i got the stable kernel |
| 16:37.38 | harryfoobar42 | :-( |
| 16:37.53 | nkuttler | harryfoobar42: well... which command did you use? |
| 16:38.08 | nkuttler | harryfoobar42: oh, you might have to add the -t flag |
| 16:38.11 | babilen | harryfoobar42: I can run that perfectly fine. Which command did you use exactly? Could you paste that, its output and the contents of your sources.list to http://paste.debian.net ? |
| 16:38.27 | harryfoobar42 | apt-get source linux-image-3.8-trunk-amd64 |
| 16:38.40 | babilen | mumbles paste |
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| 16:38.59 | harryfoobar42 | with -t experimental apt can't find this package |
| 16:39.16 | babilen | … |
| 16:39.24 | nkuttler | harryfoobar42: apt shows me the repository location with that command.. |
| 16:39.52 | nkuttler | right next to NOTICE |
| 16:39.55 | M-16 | nkuttler, i have gtk2-engines-xfce installed but any gtk3-engines-* |
| 16:40.02 | babilen | harryfoobar42: Would you mind pasting your sources.list to http://paste.debian.net ? |
| 16:40.30 | nkuttler | M-16: well i can't help you with gtk, i avoid gui tools |
| 16:40.36 | stew | harryfoobar42: why would you want to use a source package instead of the linux-source-3.8 binary package |
| 16:40.50 | Myrtti | M-16: yeah I noticed it myself, newer apps do require GTK3 themes. |
| 16:41.04 | Myrtti | pavucontrol and such |
| 16:41.21 | Myrtti | empathy |
| 16:41.40 | M-16 | Myrtti, ok, thanks |
| 16:42.04 | TheWarden | Can anyone comment on installing local copies of packages from the Debian repository? I was thinking of downloading the packages, and using the late_command in the preseed file to have it install. |
| 16:42.30 | TheWarden | There is some of it briefly mentioned here, http://www.wallix.org/2011/11/02/automatic-installation-of-debian-squeeze-from-a-usb-flash-drive/ under "Automatically install additional packages from a local repository". |
| 16:43.18 | TheWarden | but in all honesty even after reading the documentation on the preseed file about the late_command, I'm not sure if installing official packages locally is a good idea or not. |
| 16:43.50 | harryfoobar42 | 244547 |
| 16:43.59 | harryfoobar42 | debian paste bin |
| 16:44.55 | stew | harryfoobar42: what do you plan to do with this source package? most people would want either a headers package or a linux-source binary package |
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| 16:45.24 | harryfoobar42 | stew: i want to get the sources of the kernel 3.8.3 to modify the kernel modules |
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| 16:45.49 | stew | harryfoobar42: modify them how? |
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| 16:46.19 | harryfoobar42 | stew: i want to test the f2fs filessystem |
| 16:46.45 | stew | harryfoobar42: are you going to build lots of different arches? (486/amd64/PAE/non-pae) etc for lots of other people? or just a single one for your machine? |
| 16:46.50 | fulcan | how do you virtualize debian arm? virtualbox doesn't appear to support arm. anyone know how to do this? |
| 16:47.17 | stew | fulcan: with qemu? |
| 16:47.26 | zykotick9 | fulcan: i'd research if qemu can... good luck. |
| 16:47.57 | harryfoobar42 | for a single masch |
| 16:48.00 | harryfoobar42 | machine |
| 16:48.05 | harryfoobar42 | amd64 |
| 16:48.06 | fulcan | thank you! |
| 16:48.25 | stew | harryfoobar42: then you want the linux-source binary package, you don't want a source package |
| 16:48.45 | harryfoobar42 | ah ok |
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| 16:50.05 | stew | harryfoobar42: so this f2fs thing is something that is in the kernel source but disabled by the debian kernel package? |
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| 16:50.49 | harryfoobar42 | stew: thats right |
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| 16:51.44 | harryfoobar42 | how can i enable this module |
| 16:51.52 | goncalo1 | how can I find where is my usb drive mounted? |
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| 16:52.11 | stew | bah |
| 16:52.19 | goncalo1 | got it, forget it |
| 16:52.23 | stew | it looks like the currently recommended way to build a kernel is actualy to use a source package |
| 16:52.25 | babilen | goncalo1: Plug it in and run "dmesg|tail -n23" -- Did you manage to create the installer? |
| 16:52.49 | babilen | harryfoobar42: http://kernel-handbook.alioth.debian.org/ch-common-tasks.html |
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| 16:53.31 | stew | oh ok, i guess it depends on where you look |
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| 16:53.39 | babilen | stew: Where did you look? |
| 16:53.45 | stew | babilen: the wiki |
| 16:53.55 | stew | http://wiki.debian.org/HowToRebuildAnOfficialDebianKernelPackage |
| 16:54.04 | fulcan | how do you get the block range of a directory and its contents? |
| 16:54.09 | babilen | I think the kernel handbook is the official and recommended documentation these days |
| 16:54.11 | goncalo1 | babilen: I copied the files as you said, but I can't boot from the pen.. |
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| 16:55.06 | babilen | goncalo1: you ran exactly the command I gave you but the pen doesn't boot? |
| 16:55.16 | goncalo1 | babilen: yes |
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| 16:56.30 | babilen | goncalo1: Would you mind showing me the output of "fdisk -l /dev/sdd" ? You did use firmware-wheezy-DI-rc1-i386-netinst.iso didn't you? Could you run "md5sum firmware-wheezy-DI-rc1-i386-netinst.iso" and give me the output of that too? |
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| 16:57.12 | babilen | goncalo1: Oh, and include "dmesg|tail -n23" after plugging it in. (all in a single paste if possible) |
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| 16:57.41 | babilen | brb |
| 16:58.02 | stew | babilen: ah. I'd say "good to know" except I believe my kernel compiling days are long since over :) |
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| 16:58.26 | goncalo1 | babilen: man I am getting pissed with all these problems =( I've installed linux a gazilion times and I never ran into so many problems.. |
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| 16:58.56 | harryfoobar42 | stew: Ok i knew this pages, but the problem is : i can't get the sources with apt-get source |
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| 16:59.08 | petn-randall | __c--: I haven't forgotten you, I'll get back to you in 30 mins. |
| 16:59.17 | stew | harryfoobar42: can you show us your sources.list? |
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| 16:59.53 | _droid1 | hi I don't know where to ask this so I start off here. The program minicom has a limited output dimension |
| 17:00.06 | babilen | goncalo1: Well, fair enough and many people installed wheezy using the RC1 installer. It /might/ be that the hybrid images have problems on your hardware, but I'd like to make sure. |
| 17:00.16 | _droid1 | now how do I make it expand and adapt to the size of my terminal window? |
| 17:00.21 | harryfoobar42 | stew: |
| 17:00.23 | harryfoobar42 | ok |
| 17:00.23 | babilen | goncalo1: You can always burn it on a CD and boot from that :-/ |
| 17:00.41 | babilen | harryfoobar42: What was the URL of your paste again? |
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| 17:02.02 | stew | babilen: http://paste.debian.net/244547 |
| 17:02.11 | harryfoobar42 | pastebin: 244549 |
| 17:02.14 | goncalo1 | babilen: I'm trying on a different pen now.. |
| 17:02.19 | M-16 | i solved in this way: "ln -s /usr/share/themes/oxygen-gtk/gtk-3.0 ~/.config/" |
| 17:02.26 | babilen | harryfoobar42: If it is "apt-get source -t experiemental linux-image-3.8-trunk-amd64" than you do have a typo in there. ("experimental" vs "experiemental") -- I also need to see your sources.list and the output of "apt-cache policy linux-image-3.8-trunk-amd64" |
| 17:02.39 | stew | harryfoobar42: you don't have a deb-src line for experimental |
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| 17:02.50 | kephra | where in Debian is the definition of LANG=C stored |
| 17:03.00 | kephra | and since when does LANG=C mean, that its utf8? |
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| 17:03.15 | babilen | harryfoobar42: And it is always nice to copy the whole URL of your pastes as it makes it much easier to open them. |
| 17:03.31 | babilen | kephra: there is C.utf-8 |
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| 17:04.36 | harryfoobar42 | ok |
| 17:04.40 | harryfoobar42 | http://paste.debian.net/244551/ |
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| 17:05.14 | stew | pretend I'm mumbling something about experimental... |
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| 17:07.29 | babilen | harryfoobar42: As stew already pointed out: You are missing the deb-src line for experimental. |
| 17:08.16 | goncalo1 | babilen: The other pen drive doesn't boot aswell.. Can't I use a regular debian 6 image and then update to 7? |
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| 17:10.39 | babilen | goncalo1: You can (if that image boots) -- Would you mind providing the information I asked for? Does the "normal" (i.e. the non-firmware) image work? I would actually recomment to install using wheezy's RC1, but that doens't help if you can't start it, eh?! Can't you burn a CD. It would also be interesting to actually debug /why/ you can't boot. Are you using UEFI? |
| 17:10.53 | babilen | *recommend |
| 17:11.04 | kephra | *sorry* babilen - was hunting down the bug/problem into wrong direction - the difference was in xterm setting (by .bashrc escape sequence ;-) |
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| 17:11.25 | harryfoobar42 | ok that works |
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| 17:11.29 | harryfoobar42 | thx |
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| 17:13.03 | fulcan | is there a way to 'dd --skip=/proc&&/sys if=source of=destination parameters'? |
| 17:13.42 | abrotman | fulcan: dd doesn't understand the filesystem like that .. perhaps you want rsync? |
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| 17:14.28 | kephra | fulcan, also /proc and /sys are not on a volume, so the root filesystem omits them anyway |
| 17:14.32 | goncalo1 | babilen: babilen fdisk says it can't open /dev/sdd |
| 17:14.36 | fulcan | thats my problem, i need it st00pid, a dumb duplicator. rsync is choking on backing up ARM to x86 |
| 17:15.00 | babilen | goncalo1: Is your USB stick plugged in? |
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| 17:16.21 | somiaj | fulcan: dd is a data copy (not file system). But you can dd the actual partition. If you dd the actual partition you won't copy over any of the additional filesystems on top of it |
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| 17:16.46 | abrotman | i said that! |
| 17:16.59 | abrotman | fulcan: what about tar? |
| 17:17.02 | nullby7e | how can i install libsqlite3-dev libsqlite3-dev : Depends: libsqlite3-0 (= 3.7.3-1) but 3.7.13-1~bpo60+1 is to be installed ? |
| 17:17.30 | abrotman | nullby7e: start by running aptitude update |
| 17:17.45 | fulcan | somiaj you can carve the image out and it doesn't care about filesystem. but the system will choke as soon as it hits /proc and /sys |
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| 17:18.27 | fulcan | abrotman I need the filesystem in tact, so tar is not really an option. |
| 17:18.31 | babilen | dpkg: tell nullby7e -about bat |
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| 17:18.46 | somiaj | nullby7e: one of those versions looks like a backport version. Could you be trying to isntall the dev package from squeeze, and need to actually ada -t squeeze-backports to your install command? |
| 17:18.47 | nullby7e | thanks abrotman |
| 17:18.50 | abrotman | fulcan: rsync it is! |
| 17:19.03 | nullby7e | somiaj: yes, fixed |
| 17:19.09 | fulcan | abrotman mapping errors due to different filesystems |
| 17:19.23 | fulcan | differences |
| 17:19.34 | abrotman | okay, good luck |
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| 17:21.36 | Sysaxed | how can I switch keyboard layout from command line? Like if I pressed alt+shift. I have my keyboard layouts already configured I just want to write a script that cycles through keyboard layouts |
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| 17:22.59 | rabbieth | setxkbmap |
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| 17:24.29 | Sysaxed | rabbieth, so what? |
| 17:24.41 | goncalo1 | babilen: Yes it is, it's mounted |
| 17:24.44 | nullby7e | how can i download a package from website |
| 17:24.50 | nullby7e | by packages.debian |
| 17:25.00 | abrotman | !tell Sysaxed about keymap |
| 17:25.04 | abrotman | nullby7e: wget is one way |
| 17:25.10 | stew | nullby7e: with wget? |
| 17:25.11 | Sysaxed | abrotman, you did misunderstand me |
| 17:25.26 | Sysaxed | abrotman, I don't want to set up my keyboard layouts, I want to cycle through them |
| 17:25.27 | nullby7e | abrotman: i mean, to be a .deb package i found only source in debian.packages website |
| 17:25.43 | Sysaxed | abrotman, seems like xkb-switch is a right thing for me, but I can't find it in repos, so looking for another solution |
| 17:25.46 | stew | nullby7e: click on the arch you want the binary package for |
| 17:26.16 | nullby7e | oh i see it yes |
| 17:26.17 | nullby7e | thanks:) |
| 17:26.20 | babilen | goncalo1: So, show me the fdisk output of your stick (whatever device it is) |
| 17:26.28 | abrotman | dpkg: tell Sysaxed about apt-file |
| 17:26.33 | abrotman | nullby7e: huh? |
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| 17:27.30 | babilen | abrotman: "What is the actual download link on packages.debian.org? Nothing seems to be labelled "download", but I see a number of architectures listed." |
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| 17:28.06 | nullby7e | -how can i upgrade a newer .deb package with current"? |
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| 17:28.32 | babilen | nullby7e: What /exactly/ are you trying to do? |
| 17:29.19 | nullby7e | babilen: to upgrade libc6 |
| 17:29.28 | abrotman | babilen: how would i know what his arch is? he should be smart neough to figure that ? |
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| 17:29.32 | abrotman | that out |
| 17:29.42 | rabbieth | Sysaxed: well, you can switch keyboard layout with this from command line :) save the current state, then call it with a new layout in cycle and restore the old stat on sigterm |
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| 17:29.54 | Sysaxed | abrotman, you're awesome... there's no such package, that's what I'm telling you |
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| 17:30.13 | babilen | abrotman: I don't know, but I think that was the problem. |
| 17:30.14 | abrotman | gives up |
| 17:30.22 | abrotman | babilen: not you .. Sysaxed |
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| 17:30.41 | babilen | yeah ... I know. (lets stop this, we both understand) |
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| 17:30.53 | babilen | nullby7e: I wouldn't recommend to upgrade libc6 |
| 17:31.13 | abrotman | taunts babilen some more |
| 17:31.42 | stew | nullby7e: instead of upgrading libc6, recompile whatever needs a newer one against your currently installed libc6 |
| 17:31.44 | babilen | nullby7e: But generally speaking your can install packages with "dpkg -i the.deb" ... I wouldn't recommend to upgrade libc6 .. Did I mention that this might not be a good idea? Well, it isn't. Why do you want to do that? |
| 17:31.47 | Sysaxed | rabbieth, err, yea... sounds like a PITA :) |
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| 17:32.16 | babilen | stew: I am sure that "steam" will be the reason (or something to that effect) |
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| 17:32.44 | stew | i don't know what that is, but I'm assuming its something non-free |
| 17:32.49 | babilen | nullby7e: To which version do you want to upgrade and which version do you have right now? Which version of Debian do you use? Why do you think you should do that? |
| 17:32.52 | stew | which is fine, that's the point when I stop helping anyway |
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| 17:33.47 | babilen | stew: it is a gaming platform that targets Ubuntu (and libc6 2.15 (unnecessarily!)) and the most common reason why people bork their systems like that these days |
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| 17:45.19 | rabbieth | oh, guys, i have a stupid question |
| 17:45.29 | rabbieth | is mysql chrooted by default on debian? |
| 17:45.52 | rabbieth | and if chroot, will it work if'll save ssl-stuff in /etc/mysql? |
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| 17:48.00 | petn-randall | Muahahaha, let's install Debian everywhere, and let steam sort them out! |
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| 17:51.22 | petn-randall | __c--: it's your firewall blocking NFS. |
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| 17:52.23 | petn-randall | __c--: Also, you appended a iptables rule to your INPUT chain that never matches because the rule before that rejects /everything/. |
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| 18:01.18 | jmcnaught | hello. i'm trying to use squeeze-backports and when i do update, apt-get tells me that the Release file is expired (invalid since 2d 2h 24min). Did I do something wrong, or is it simply that backports is outdated? |
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| 18:01.42 | jmcnaught | also using apt-cache-ng but no other problems with it |
| 18:01.57 | petn-randall | jmcnaught: backports isn't outdated. How did you add backports to your sources.list? |
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| 18:03.30 | jmcnaught | petn-randall, i added "deb http://http.debian.net/debian-backports squeeze-backports main" to a file in sources.list.d/ |
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| 18:04.05 | stew | http.d.n is geodns, right? |
| 18:04.09 | Jimmothy | youve got http there twice jmcnaught |
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| 18:04.18 | petn-randall | jmcnaught: http://backports-master.debian.org/Instructions/ |
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| 18:04.29 | Jimmothy | nevermind me |
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| 18:04.59 | LtL | stew: yes it is |
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| 18:05.13 | stew | so who knows which server he is hitting, he could be hitting an out of date server |
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| 18:05.45 | jmcnaught | petn-randall, thanks. that's where i found the instructions. i wanted to use the debian mirrors http redirector |
| 18:06.00 | dlgan | كس امكن |
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| 18:06.13 | petn-randall | !arabic |
| 18:06.13 | dpkg | مرحبا! للحصول على الدعم باللغة العربية لتوزيعة دبيان جنو\لينيكس , الرجاء التوجه الى قناة ##debian-ar |
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| 18:06.32 | jmcnaught | maybe the mirror that http.debian.net is redirecting me to is outdated? |
| 18:06.32 | LtL | stew: it's also roundrobin so ostensibly it should be a 'good' server. |
| 18:06.50 | petn-randall | jmcnaught: I just found out about http.debian.net, I didn't know it existed. Apparently you're being served an outdated mirror. |
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| 18:07.21 | jmcnaught | petn-randall, thanks for your help! |
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| 18:08.52 | petn-randall | jmcnaught: you're welcome :) |
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| 18:20.14 | KsM | 16gb for swap? |
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| 18:21.43 | petn-randall | acu: If you planning on using LVM it only makes sense to put swap on there, too. |
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| 18:26.08 | jelly-home | acu: you probably don't need all that swap space? |
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| 18:28.27 | acu | petn-randall, and jelly-home thanks for the answers - I want to be able to grow the three partitions independently - I want to create a volume group for each partitition (root swap and data) each on top of it's own physical partition) - then having a lvm for each of this will allow me to grow as I want - does it sound sane ? - the swap I need it - I need to run postgresql database that needs swap |
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| 18:29.23 | MO_Handes | how to find out who have logged in since 24 hours ago and commands every user has executed during this period? |
| 18:29.26 | jelly-home | acu: "needs swap" is suspicious. Instead of swap, give your VM an adequate amount of RAM instead. |
| 18:29.26 | dlgan | سكس |
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| 18:30.09 | acu | jelly-home: some database "need" swap to my knowledge - is not about having enough ram etc... |
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| 18:30.32 | acu | it will exceed the RAM needed - based on monitoring |
| 18:30.32 | jelly-home | acu: that is, there are not many ways in which 40GB RAM and a token 1GB swap can be worse than 24GB RAM and 16GB swap |
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| 18:31.00 | Sevet | acu: generally databases will want to handle their memory (caching/buffering etc) themselves, they shouldn't be 'requiring' swap as it's unpredictable to their purposes. swap's useful for an overflow if you run out of ram so you don't trigger the OOM killer, but you shouldn't be relying on it |
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| 18:31.10 | jelly-home | unless of course you don't _have_ 40GB RAM ;-) |
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| 18:32.11 | acu | Sevet: exactly, I do not rely on it, is just that some databases even cannot be installed with swap - that is my experience though - jelly-home seem convinced that I am not right - which is possible - I have to check again |
| 18:32.29 | acu | with = without swap - they need swap |
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| 18:33.11 | jhutchins_wk | acu: You proabably don't need more than 8G of swap and don't really want more than 2G. |
| 18:33.36 | jelly-home | acu: what Oracle's installer thinks it needs is silly; it's also different from what Oracle actually uses, and different from what PostgreSQL uses, too |
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| 18:33.52 | Sevet | never seen that myself. in my experience heavily using swap on a database server always affected performance enough to make the entire database unusable. needing it for compiling a database though, i could understand. |
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| 18:34.37 | Sevet | (even then i could understand it needing 1gb vram, but not 40gb) |
| 18:34.50 | kunch | hi i recently installed wheezy with netinst CD (dual boot with win7) but when i start Win7 it's always asking me if i wanna finish debian setup or start Windows |
| 18:35.07 | jhutchins_wk | acu: swap is essentially for emergencies only. You do not want to work on a server trying to manage 16G of swap. |
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| 18:36.13 | jelly-home | there is _one_ reasonable scenario of creating and using lots of swap, and that's if you have to deal with an app that slowly leaks memory but can't be fixed |
| 18:36.21 | petn-randall | acu: If your database needs swap, performance will go down the gutter. |
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| 18:37.27 | petn-randall | acu: Also, three partitions with three VG is insane. You want a single VG, and probably a single PV, with three LVs. |
| 18:37.32 | jelly-home | however, if you know in advance your db is going to use ~40GB, by all means try to budget and provision that in RAM not in metal platter |
| 18:38.27 | jelly-home | petn-randall: it makes sense to put OS on a different PV than data, esp. if you can put data on storage with different (= better) performance |
| 18:39.20 | jelly-home | much like a physical server might have the OS on local cheap raid1, and the database file on a fast storage system over SAN |
| 18:39.30 | petn-randall | jelly-home: Right. But planning on a PV having a single VG, and the VG having a single LV defeats the purpose of LVM. |
| 18:39.31 | jelly-home | files* |
| 18:39.44 | jelly-home | nod |
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| 18:40.09 | jelly-home | hell, one can have a single VG for both and still have two different PVs |
| 18:40.32 | acu | thanks for all input: maybe I was not clear, I am fully aware that when swap is touched (needed due to lack of sufficient ram - that is a no no ) -- I want to be able to migrate the lvm to faster /bigger hdd when needed - that is why I thought to create a physical volume for each of the partition |
| 18:40.36 | jelly-home | just need to be a bit careful on creating and extending LVs |
| 18:41.16 | jelly-home | acu: will all of your PVs be stored on same physical disk for the time being? |
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| 18:42.11 | jelly-home | (or a single array) |
| 18:42.16 | petn-randall | acu: you can do a live migration a VG from one PV to another. |
| 18:42.28 | MO_Handes | does 'apt-get autoremove' remove the selected package depended packages even if they are other packages dependencies? |
| 18:42.47 | jelly-home | MO_Handes: no, it's sane. |
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| 18:43.03 | acu | petn-randal: so at this point I was thinking of having one physical partition - for a volume group which will have a have a LV (so three physical partitions, three VG three LV) |
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| 18:43.17 | petn-randall | acu: The only reason to have more than one VG is if your storage has different characteristics (slow/cheap vs fast/expensive) or you have good reasons to keep them separate. |
| 18:43.32 | MO_Handes | jelly-home, so when do I use remove instead of autoremove? |
| 18:44.02 | acu | petn-randall: yes that is my starting assumption- some of the volumes I want to move to a solid state etc - based on the monitoring etc |
| 18:44.13 | petn-randall | acu: makes no sense. If you can, use a single PV, one VG and three LVs. Unless you want them on different drives. |
| 18:44.24 | jelly-home | MO_Handes: autoremove is just a cleanup action without parameters. remove, on the other hand, takes package names as parameters. |
| 18:44.35 | petn-randall | acu: You can still migrate your LVs live with LVM. |
| 18:45.35 | acu | petn-randall: thanks, so I could just hook up a solid state - create another VG and then migrate the LV (let's say data) to the new VG - live ? |
| 18:46.07 | petn-randall | acu: No. One VG. |
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| 18:46.27 | petn-randall | acu: One VG have several PVs. |
| 18:46.32 | petn-randall | *can |
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| 18:47.44 | acu | petn-randall, got it, but if I want to hook this "data" to another debian virtual machine - that would make it easier if it has it's own VG isn't it ? |
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| 18:48.26 | acu | jelly-home: yes all the PVs will be stored on the same physical disk for the time being |
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| 18:48.42 | petn-randall | acu: Nope, it would just make it impossible. Maybe you should read up on LVM and it's tools. |
| 18:49.23 | petn-randall | acu: you can only move a LV from one PV to the other if both PVs are part of the same VG. |
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| 18:49.44 | jelly-home | acu: then there's no reason so slice into multiple PVs at all |
| 18:50.52 | jelly-home | petn-randall: he can easily have two VGs, and later add faster storage for the data VG and pvmove there |
| 18:51.26 | jelly-home | there is less chance of error in that case, but not too much |
| 18:51.29 | acu | jelly-home that is what initially I thought |
| 18:51.48 | petn-randall | acu: I recommend reading the man pages, and then experimenting with LVM in a small VM, so you get the hang of what can and can't be done with LVM. It will then become clear to you which setup make sense and which one's will work better for your cause. |
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| 18:52.18 | acu | thanks |
| 18:52.40 | acu | this discussion was almost reading half manpage :) |
| 18:53.03 | petn-randall | acu: don't worry, it might be a bit mind-boggling, but you'll get the hang of it if you use it a little. |
| 18:53.23 | acu | no, by now, nothing worries me petn-randall :) |
| 18:53.27 | jelly-home | acu: here's what we do with virtual machines: present two slices of storage to it as two separate disks. First slice is about 100-500MB, it's partitioned inside the VM with one partition, and ONLY /boot is on it, together with the boot loader. Nothing else. |
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| 18:54.15 | jelly-home | acu: the second disk, as seen inside the VM, does not have ANY partitions, instead the whole device is one big PV. |
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| 18:55.26 | jelly-home | acu: this makes it possible to grow the second disk, and for the VM to use the new space online without downtime. |
| 18:55.46 | petn-randall | jelly-home: Makes sense. You can boot from LVM nowadays, but I can understand if you still like to keep /boot separate. |
| 18:55.58 | acu | jelly-home: thanks --- you know what I found quite stunning - that I do not need /boot (I just create a XFS partition - on a LVM and it works) - I know any textbook say to have /boot 100 MB (or so) - |
| 18:56.17 | acu | petn-randall, yes :) |
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| 18:57.58 | acu | I am still a bit reticent to use solid state for servers, but I am testing few - so far there are no issues (except they are still expensive) |
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| 18:58.34 | petn-randall | acu: well, LVM is quite complex, and there have been bugs that shredded your LVM. So if you have /boot separate, with busybox you can at least find out what happened :) |
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| 18:59.12 | petn-randall | acu: also, if you have an LVM on an encrypted partition, you *need* a separate /boot. |
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| 18:59.21 | nutshell | hello again! |
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| 19:01.08 | nutshell | im right now stuck at an simple thingy i always used and it worked right away... an nfs mount |
| 19:01.11 | Sevet | acu: grub has modules to support lvm mdraid etc now, it didn't in the past so a /boot was needed then hence the textbooks |
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| 19:01.21 | nutshell | i have here my exports file and what my client says on mounting |
| 19:01.21 | nutshell | http://pastebin.com/Tj2mQUmc |
| 19:01.39 | nutshell | i dont see a point in why i dont just work out of the box |
| 19:01.45 | nutshell | i hav portmap installed |
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| 19:03.05 | nutshell | *it |
| 19:03.29 | jelly-home | acu: if you create _any_ partition, you can't resize the disk online. |
| 19:03.32 | Sevet | nutshell: firewall? |
| 19:03.39 | germanstudent | Does anyone know a tool to monitor the health of multiple URLs? (404 etc.) |
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| 19:04.33 | digdilem | nagios |
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| 19:04.37 | digdilem | well |
| 19:04.59 | digdilem | more for http/latency, but it can probably do 404 too |
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| 19:05.19 | germanstudent | thanks digdilem. Will look nagios up |
| 19:05.20 | nutshell | well neither my server nor my client has any iptable entries |
| 19:05.32 | nutshell | if i do an nmap scan on my server from client side i can see nfs server is running |
| 19:05.37 | nutshell | 2049/tcp open nfs |
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| 19:06.34 | nutshell | Sevet the server in that case is an debian wheezy live build |
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| 19:08.21 | JLT | in vim how do you yank all lines to system clipboard, like I'm using vim via ssh on windows |
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| 19:11.55 | nutshell | well i think its an client fault here |
| 19:12.00 | jhutchins_wk | JLT: From first line, y<more lines than file contains>y or use visual mode. |
| 19:12.02 | nutshell | i will do a reboot of my system :D |
| 19:12.08 | nutshell | thanks though i will report back in |
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| 19:12.41 | waterlae | I added "deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian-backports squeeze-backports(-sloppy) main" to the /etc/apt/sources.list file, and now when I initiate the sudo apt-get update command I get a warning followed by an error. |
| 19:12.46 | waterlae | W: Failed to fetch http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian-backports/dists/squeeze-backports(-sloppy)/main/binary-amd64/Packages.gz 404 Not Found |
| 19:12.53 | waterlae | E: Some index files failed to download, they have been ignored, or old ones used instead. |
| 19:13.11 | blubberdiblub | jhutchins_wk, i believe he wants them to go into his windows clipboard (which isn't easily possible, if at all) |
| 19:13.15 | waterlae | Any ideas on how to fix this? |
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| 19:13.19 | jhutchins_wk | waterlae: The parentheses are invalid. |
| 19:13.34 | waterlae | oh, ok. |
| 19:13.43 | jhutchins_wk | waterlae: It's meant to indicate that you can have either ...backports or ...backports-sloppy. |
| 19:13.50 | jhutchins_wk | or both |
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| 19:15.23 | waterlae | jhutchins_wk: thanks, I removed (-slopy) and it seems to work as expected. |
| 19:16.33 | jhutchins_wk | xlnt |
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| 19:17.04 | jhutchins_wk | JLT: Which clipboard? |
| 19:17.24 | JLT | my... windows one... I'm using putty on windows then using vim in that. |
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| 19:17.35 | blubberdiblub | JLT, just mark the lines you want to copy and they go to the clipboard as soon as you mark them. apart from that, i don't think there's an easy way to transfer clipboards from the remote to the local side |
| 19:18.16 | jhutchins_wk | JLT: You can only do what's visible on putty, but as soon as text is highlighted it's copied to the windows clipboard. |
| 19:18.27 | jhutchins_wk | JLT: You can paste it within putty with right-click. |
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| 19:19.33 | nutshell | hi again |
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| 19:19.44 | nutshell | now my nfs mount does the job |
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| 19:20.08 | nutshell | i had to change on my client from vers=4 to vers=3 |
| 19:20.31 | nutshell | well weird thing though dont know why my server is running vers3 since its a newer build of debian |
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| 19:27.19 | smalltock | Quick question: I've been using aptitude instead of apt-get lately and I've noticed one annoying difference... Aptitude doesn't support the use of an asterisk. How can I get the same functionality with aptitude as with apt-get install somepackage* ? |
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| 19:29.07 | boudiccas | i've just added a drive into fstab, is it possible to check fstab without rebooting please? |
| 19:29.32 | zykotick9 | boudiccas: "mount -a" will mount everything in fstab |
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| 19:29.42 | boudiccas | ah, thanks |
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| 19:32.46 | sencha | smalltock, aptitude install '~n^somepackage' |
| 19:33.20 | smalltock | much thanks, sencha! |
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| 19:34.44 | sencha | smalltock, http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-reference/ch02.en.html#_the_aptitude_regex_formula |
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| 19:40.11 | Anaki | hey its me with a question again! |
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| 19:40.34 | Anaki | In internet browser i cannot watch some videos. and youtube lags hard :/ |
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| 19:45.56 | Mogget | Is the kernel in Wheezy RC in debug mode or something like this? |
| 19:46.15 | Mogget | I have installed Wheezy on two machines, laptop and desktop and they are both spewing out kernel messages. |
| 19:46.40 | ChibaPet | Anyone know off the top of their head if it's possible to remap keys in aptitude through config files? I'm digging through source now but I'd be happier with a config change than a rebuild for the purpose. |
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| 19:48.35 | boudiccas | This is a line in fstab '/dev/sda6/media/spare/ext4defaults' but when i issue 'mount -a' it comes back with 'mount: mount point /media/spare does not exist'. where am i going wrong please? |
| 19:49.26 | jelly-home | boudiccas: "/ext4" isn't a valid filesystem type |
| 19:49.29 | BenNZ | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:49.46 | ompaul | Mogget: not that we've heard, throw some of them into http://paste.debian.net (loved for it's lack of adverts) |
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| 19:50.17 | jelly-home | boudiccas: also, you're missing the last two columns |
| 19:50.26 | BenNZ | boudiccas: would need something like /dev/sda6 /media/spare ext4 defaults 0 2 , also i would recommend using uuid instead if /dev/sdxx |
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| 19:51.50 | Mogget | ompaul: http://paste.moshwire.com/?68 |
| 19:53.07 | Mogget | ompaul: I guess it is dmesg or something like this, but I get this in messages, syslog and daemon |
| 19:54.10 | ChibaPet | Yuck. Yuck! aptitude source doesn't restrict itself to eighty columns. |
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| 19:55.55 | dawud | ChibaPet: does it behave if you use shopt -s checkwinsize in your .bashrc? |
| 19:55.57 | ompaul | Mogget: some of it is here, https://lkml.org/lkml/2010/3/26/265 some of it has to do with signal strength and your wireless modem |
| 19:56.07 | boudiccas | BenNZ: what do you mean "does /media/spare exist?" ? |
| 19:56.16 | ompaul | Mogget: I guess you are not close to the wireless router |
| 19:56.48 | BenNZ | boudiccas: does the directory /media/spare exist ? |
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| 19:57.01 | Mogget | ompaul: I am in a student building with aps around and idiot students setting up their own aps all over the place to cope with the fact that internet is not working :/ |
| 19:57.20 | boudiccas | BenNZ: its a partition seen in the devices section of dolphin |
| 19:58.16 | ompaul | Mogget: well that figures, you should learn the rest of the messages you are looking at, it is interesting to work out what is normal |
| 19:58.31 | ChibaPet | dawud: What does that do? The description in the bash(1) makes it seem like it just updates my terminal characteristics if they change dynamically. |
| 19:58.35 | BenNZ | boudiccas: mount point /media/spare does not exist <- would lead me to believe that the mountpoint /media/spare doesnt exist , so you might need to create it |
| 19:58.48 | ompaul | Mogget: or at least look them up once so you have seen every line in your log files |
| 19:59.04 | boudiccas | BenNZ: okay, how please? |
| 19:59.04 | ChibaPet | dawud: But anyway, at least some files in there are definitely longer than eighty characters, which as we all know if irredeemably evil. |
| 19:59.11 | ChibaPet | is* |
| 19:59.12 | Mogget | ompaul: yeah, I think I will do so. I never saw this in squeeze. |
| 19:59.29 | BenNZ | boudiccas: create the folder in dolphin or mkdir /media/spare |
| 19:59.42 | boudiccas | thanks |
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| 20:00.02 | BenNZ | boudiccas: no problem |
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| 20:00.44 | dawud | ChibaPet: just trying to give some options, check it, if it does what you want/need, use it. forget about it (or try to fix aptitude :) ) if it doesn't. |
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| 20:02.28 | ChibaPet | dawud: I can imagine people being relatively pissed off at what amounts of a vast whitespace change. Makes tracking changes hard. It's really the kind of thing where the original developer needed to do the right thing from the start. |
| 20:03.51 | dawud | ChibaPet: I agree, also I've seen aptitude clutter with some stderr output sometimes, but then, I'm not qualified to look into that issues :/ |
| 20:04.54 | ChibaPet | dawud: Ah, sorry, your response makes me think I was unclear. Aptitude itself does the right thing with a dynamically shifting console size. I'm looking for something in the source, and the original developer (or one of them) evidently didn't believe in limiting himself to eighty columns. |
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| 20:06.45 | ChibaPet | dawud: Specifically I'm looking for the group-expand and group-collapse key bindings. There are a bunch of cw::config::global_bindings.set calls in src/defaults.cc, but not the one I want. And it's in there that the columns run free. :P |
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| 20:09.06 | dawud | ChibaPet: is this info useful/current? http://algebraicthunk.net/~dburrows/projects/aptitude/doc/en/ch02s04s02.html |
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| 20:10.03 | ChibaPet | dawud: Absolutely is! I still want to find where the default for, say, '[' is set in the program, but it looks like that's exactly what I want to actually change. Thank you!!! |
| 20:10.07 | dawud | ChibaPet: almost sure it's in the aptitude-doc pkg as well |
| 20:10.17 | ChibaPet | Will look. |
| 20:11.27 | ChibaPet | dawud: Yes, /usr/share/doc/aptitude/README has it. Thank you a thousand times over. |
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| 20:12.08 | dawud | ChibaPet: glad to be somewhat helpful |
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| 20:13.45 | ChibaPet | dawud: My only remaining point of confusion is finding a particular binding. Most of them are set to a default in defaults.cc, but not the ones I want for some reason. Seems really weird that similar defaults would be set in different places. There's a note in the svn changelog talking about a vscreen directory with vs_subtree.h in it, but this doesn't exist in what apt-get source aptitude gave me. |
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| 20:15.09 | DammitJim | what command can I use to see a file creation date and modification date? |
| 20:15.27 | dawud | DammitJim: stat |
| 20:15.37 | ChibaPet | DammitJim: modtime is straight ls -l , or ls -lc for ctime |
| 20:16.00 | ChibaPet | Or stat, which gives it to you all at once. Nice. |
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| 20:16.26 | dawud | DammitJim: but access/modify/change, not creation |
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| 20:16.52 | ChibaPet | oh, hm |
| 20:16.56 | DammitJim | hhhmmmm... |
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| 20:17.13 | DammitJim | gosh, this has suddenly become messy |
| 20:17.24 | DammitJim | I transferred files from another server using scp |
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| 20:17.35 | DammitJim | and I am trying to order the videos according to the date when they were shot |
| 20:17.41 | dawud | DammitJim: also note some malicious uses for 'touch(1)' |
| 20:17.58 | ChibaPet | ls -lc is not create time, sorry |
| 20:18.41 | saulotoledo | Hi all. I have a Wheezy machine running some other machines inside chroot. One of this other machines is another wheezy system. Only in this system, when I run "aptitude dist-upgrade", the installation is really really slow! Things who should be installed in minutes are made in 1 hour or more. How can I debug this? |
| 20:19.16 | DammitJim | this kinda stinks... when I did the scp, I lost the modified date of cours |
| 20:19.18 | DammitJim | e |
| 20:19.24 | ChibaPet | http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/20460/how-do-i-do-a-ls-and-then-sort-the-results-by-date-created |
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| 20:20.27 | ChibaPet | So |
| 20:20.42 | dawud | DammitJim: rsync is the tool you need, then |
| 20:21.16 | ompaul | cp -rp |
| 20:21.59 | x10 | -a |
| 20:22.13 | ompaul | minimalist :) |
| 20:22.42 | KsM | doesn't scp -p preserve times |
| 20:23.13 | ompaul | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:23.15 | ompaul | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:23.21 | ChibaPet | tar cvpf - foo | tar xpfC - /where |
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| 20:24.22 | dawud | extended attributes are lost in both scp and tar |
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| 20:24.54 | ChibaPet | dump | restore, then? =grin= |
| 20:25.25 | dawud | ChibaPet: I'm thinking restorecon here |
| 20:25.46 | ChibaPet | hrm |
| 20:26.17 | dawud | there's no star (SELinux tar) in debian, btw |
| 20:26.38 | ChibaPet | restorecon, checkwinsize... Perhaps I need to start flagging things you write so I can use you as a sort of ongoing tutorial. |
| 20:26.53 | dawud | ah, no |
| 20:27.31 | dawud | better join #bash, #selinux, or hang around here, many wise people around |
| 20:27.52 | dawud | and I'm not (by a long shot) one of them |
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| 20:28.15 | ChibaPet | I'm just measuring recent relative inscrutability. |
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| 20:29.17 | dawud | ChibaPet: that's one of the most positive thing in open source/ free software, there's always something to learn from somebody else |
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| 20:29.51 | dawud | and WRT that, the Debian community excels |
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| 20:30.01 | ChibaPet | Oh, happiness ensues. I remap my keyboard to swap () and [] for happier lispness, but aptitude consistently laughs at my by forcing me to shift-9 and shift-0 to much with package groups. |
| 20:30.12 | metals | hi... could anyone help me please? Linux doesn't mount my Drive C |
| 20:30.24 | ChibaPet | metals: How are you trying to mount it, and what does it say? |
| 20:30.41 | ChibaPet | s/at my/at me/ |
| 20:30.54 | ChibaPet | s/to much with/to muck with/ |
| 20:31.11 | ChibaPet | checking blood sugar → inability to type |
| 20:31.23 | metals | it is PinguyOS and it says wait till it gets mounted, or press S to skip or press M to mount it manually |
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| 20:31.59 | dawud | metals: that is not Debian, I guess... |
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| 20:32.42 | metals | ya mean PinguyOS is not a Debian? |
| 20:32.45 | digdilem | metals, you might want to try #PinguyOS |
| 20:33.01 | digdilem | no, it's a different os based on ubuntu |
| 20:33.02 | metals | there is no one there |
| 20:33.22 | ChibaPet | metals: Consider that there might be a reason for that. :) |
| 20:33.25 | digdilem | then maybe ubuntu, but it's likely there is not much common ground with debian |
| 20:33.27 | metals | and Ubuntu people think PinguyoS people bite and don't answer ya |
| 20:33.40 | digdilem | we're nicer, but probably not any more able to help |
| 20:33.54 | ChibaPet | metals: You might enjoy trying Debian. It's a very pleasant operating system, and the installer isn't at all painful. |
| 20:33.57 | metals | ya mean Debian always mounts Drive C? |
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| 20:34.13 | digdilem | um, it's not quite that simple |
| 20:34.14 | metals | I will try Debian too |
| 20:34.15 | ChibaPet | metals: Debian tends not to have an issue mounting drives of various sorts, correct. |
| 20:34.26 | digdilem | but if you're learning, you probably want to pick a distro with good support. |
| 20:34.29 | metals | 7 distros I have tried since last year |
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| 20:34.59 | digdilem | you must be getting good at installing then :) |
| 20:35.10 | metals | yeah |
| 20:35.13 | metals | :D |
| 20:35.22 | ChibaPet | metals: Is Debian one of them? If not, download an installer and give it a whirl. You'll be happy. Or if you insist on something meant for beginners, try ... dunno... PC-BSD or Mint or something. |
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| 20:36.02 | digdilem | i would say debian requires a certain level of knowledge or it's very frustrating. mint or ubuntu, a lot easier to get graphical and going |
| 20:36.44 | ChibaPet | digdilem: Ending up with working X Windows is pretty trivial nowadays in anything. |
| 20:37.10 | metals | well, Ubuntu and Ubuntu like ones were easy |
| 20:37.13 | digdilem | maybe. I tend to work with headless servers |
| 20:37.34 | ChibaPet | metals: Ubuntu is based on Debian, so you'd find it fairly similar in a lot of ways. |
| 20:37.38 | metals | why do ubuntu people fear PinguyOS people? |
| 20:38.04 | IdleOne | metals: #ubuntu does fear pinguyOS people, we just don't provide support for it |
| 20:38.10 | IdleOne | doesn't* |
| 20:38.39 | IdleOne | instead of blaming others for your lack of ability, try reading what people tell you and learn. |
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| 20:39.12 | metals | were ya this fast in learning when ya got on Linux for the first time? |
| 20:39.13 | metals | :D |
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| 20:39.31 | needle | metals: I'd say just use other flavour of linux like ubuntu or debian then you can ask in the proper channel for support |
| 20:39.47 | IdleOne | metals: no it took me time also, but I asked in the proper support channels. |
| 20:40.02 | metals | tell me, IdleOne... are ya on Kubuntu too? |
| 20:40.07 | IdleOne | I am |
| 20:40.14 | metals | :| |
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| 20:41.16 | digdilem | i commend you trying, metals. But I repeat above, pick a distro that has support. |
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| 20:41.37 | ChibaPet | There's always Gentoo! http://www.funroll-loops.info/ |
| 20:41.37 | digdilem | more users = more users likely to help |
| 20:42.00 | metals | digdilem: thanks :) |
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| 20:52.59 | porto | hello anyone can help |
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| 20:53.06 | porto | /var/lib/dpkg/info/debconf.postinst: 76: pycompile: not found |
| 20:53.15 | porto | and can't upgrade in apt-get |
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| 20:57.34 | sencha | porto, do you have python-minimal installed? |
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| 20:59.08 | stew | porto: what version of debconf does dpkg think you have installed? |
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| 20:59.23 | stew | debconf in stable doesn't try to run pycompile |
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| 21:02.37 | porto | the problem is when i try to install python 2.7 |
| 21:02.47 | porto | i put unstable and test mirrors |
| 21:02.58 | porto | after that appears that msg |
| 21:02.59 | porto | :( |
| 21:03.11 | dondelelcaro | porto: if you've put testing and unstable, you're no longer running stable |
| 21:03.20 | porto | yap :( |
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| 21:03.26 | porto | how can i solve that? |
| 21:03.27 | porto | :( |
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| 21:03.42 | porto | i have a lot of work in |
| 21:03.56 | porto | when i start laptop need to startx |
| 21:03.58 | ChibaPet | porto: To start, back up the things on that system you care about. |
| 21:03.58 | dondelelcaro | porto: you can either upgrade to testing, and wait for wheezy to release, or you can try to downgrade, but that's not well supported |
| 21:04.21 | porto | what you suggest? |
| 21:04.26 | porto | backup all things? |
| 21:04.39 | porto | and reeinstall all again? |
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| 21:05.04 | dondelelcaro | porto: is this just your laptop? do you need it for production? |
| 21:05.20 | porto | yap i have a lot of dev php work in |
| 21:05.21 | porto | :S |
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| 21:05.47 | dondelelcaro | porto: well, whatever you decide to do, back things up |
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| 21:06.04 | dondelelcaro | porto: but considering that wheezy is about to release, it's not a huge deal to ride the testing train until it does |
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| 21:06.45 | porto | and how can i fix that issue? |
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| 21:10.55 | porto | no probs gona do backup ;) |
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| 21:12.19 | dondelelcaro | porto: you should only have testing in your sources.list, and then start by following the release notes |
| 21:12.22 | dondelelcaro | !release notes |
| 21:12.24 | dpkg | Release Notes for Debian 6.0 "Squeeze" are at http://www.debian.org/releases/squeeze/releasenotes . See also http://bugs.debian.org/release-notes and http://wiki.debian.org/NewInSqueeze . Also ask me about <errata>, <i-g>, <install squeeze>, <lenny->squeeze>. |
| 21:12.34 | dondelelcaro | !tell porto -about squeeze->wheezy |
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| 21:41.43 | rigid | ahoy |
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| 21:42.24 | rigid | i'm using dpkg-buildpackage on gentoo trying to build a .deb ... i get an error about "/var/lib/dpkg/status" not beeing found. What does it contain? |
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| 21:47.31 | dondelelcaro | rigid: if you're trying to build a .deb, you really should do so inside of a Debian chroot |
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| 21:48.00 | dondelelcaro | rigid: the reason why it's asking about that is because it's checking to make sure you have the build dependencies for the package installed, and it does so by calling dpkg |
| 21:48.19 | dondelelcaro | rigid: it's also going to need those files in order to properly populate the library dependencies, etc. |
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| 21:51.49 | Sebboh | Where is the source repository for this: http://packages.debian.org/source/sid/emacs24 ...and how can I determine that for myself in the future? |
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| 21:52.03 | dondelelcaro | Sebboh: what do you mean by source repository? |
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| 21:52.19 | Sebboh | dondelelcaro: for example, git or svn or bzr. |
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| 21:53.15 | AimHere | Does that even exist? If you need the actual source you use 'apt-get source <package>' |
| 21:53.28 | rigid | dondelelcaro: ah I see... so I guess I'll better do it on a debian system... i just wanted to give it a try ;) |
| 21:53.30 | rigid | thank you |
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| 21:54.26 | dondelelcaro | Sebboh: usually it's documented in an Vcs-* header in the apt-cache show foopkg; output |
| 21:54.30 | Sebboh | AimHere: sure, that's how I'd automatically download some archive and a .dsc. However, I'm looking for Debian's revision control system. |
| 21:54.32 | dondelelcaro | Sebboh: however, not all packages are maintained in a vcs. |
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| 21:55.37 | Sebboh | dondelelcaro: thanks. |
| 21:56.20 | dondelelcaro | Sebboh: there's one for the snapshot packages, but I don't see one for the main emacs packages... but it might exist. I'd e-mail the maintainer |
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| 21:56.47 | dondelelcaro | Sebboh: you might also find it with some googling |
| 21:58.26 | Sebboh | Gotcha. FYI, past experience with googling for this has lead me to trying to build packages from the wrong repo. :/ (Thus my question.) But that's OK. |
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| 21:58.56 | sioux_ | hi guys |
| 21:59.29 | Sebboh | Different question: debian packages are built in an automated way, right? Can I view the configuration for the build some how? Note: I am only guessing about what may actually exist. |
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| 22:02.07 | dondelelcaro | Sebboh: are you looking for how configure is called? Or what is on the build system? or what? |
| 22:02.24 | dondelelcaro | Sebboh: all of the configure stuff is going to be in debian/rules in the source package |
| 22:02.34 | tharkun | What does this means on cups "HP LaserJet Professional p1606dn, hpcups 3.12.6, requires proprietary plugin" ?? |
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| 22:03.31 | Sebboh | dondelelcaro: how the package is defined, I guess. I can't imagine that package maintainers manually create an *.orig.tar.bz2 from some upstream tag periodically... |
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| 22:03.59 | dondelelcaro | Sebboh: the orig.tar.gz etc. is generally what upstream distributes |
| 22:04.37 | dondelelcaro | Sebboh: however, in the case of emacs, some of the things in the source can't be distribute in main (like the GFDLed docs) |
| 22:04.51 | Sebboh | ? It's 2013. Upstreams usually tag some revision (or commit, in the dvcs world). People still create tarballs? :) |
| 22:05.34 | dondelelcaro | Sebboh: almost everyone still distributes tarballs, especially because you almost always do something to the source to make it buildable. |
| 22:05.53 | nevyn | sebboh there are helper scripts forvdealing with upstream using a cs |
| 22:05.57 | dondelelcaro | and it's much easier to track the provenance of tarballs |
| 22:06.20 | Sebboh | dondelelcaro: my goal is to make a proper (The Debian Way) emacs24-xembed (it's a different branch of the emacs upstream source, like emacs-nox or emacs-lucid), then install it in my local package repo, then periodically pull updates from upstream and repeat. |
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| 22:06.55 | dondelelcaro | Sebboh: oh; you don't really care about the orig.tar.gz then |
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| 22:07.28 | Sebboh | dondelelcaro: right, I want to build HEAD, not a release. :) |
| 22:07.30 | dondelelcaro | Sebboh: just get the debian source package, branch out the git repo for a new branch, and shove the debian directory from the newest emacs package ontop of it, and then build a native package. |
| 22:08.04 | dondelelcaro | Sebboh: you'll of course need to change the source package name, and binary packages you're building, but that's pretty easy |
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| 22:08.33 | jhonnypalace | hi to all!!! |
| 22:08.35 | dondelelcaro | Sebboh: and periodically, you can get the new debian package, and reconcile your patches with it |
| 22:08.50 | dondelelcaro | Sebboh: or if you can figure out where Rob Browning has his VCS, you can use that instead |
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| 22:09.13 | Sebboh | Ah, now I know my real question: is the debian directory of the emacs package stored in version control somewhere? ... Oh, back to email the maintainer. Ok. :) |
| 22:09.40 | dondelelcaro | Sebboh: it probably is, because I've seen git diffs for the emacs package, but I don't know where it is. [It might also just be on his machine.] |
| 22:09.54 | dondelelcaro | (and a few minutes googling didn't turn it up) |
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| 22:11.11 | Sebboh | Thanks for all the info dondelelcaro! |
| 22:11.28 | dondelelcaro | Sebboh: no problem; good luck |
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| 22:11.58 | cantoma | hey guys, is there a way of reinstalling packages using aptitude |
| 22:12.15 | jhonnypalace | i need to create an apple_bootstrap partition to install debian on a powerbook g4 with a broken cd unit. I need a usb with that type of partition for the open firmware that g4 runs. i dont have a powerpc machine to run mac-fdisk. do you know how to create an apple_bootstrap partition without mac-fdisk? thanks a lot!! |
| 22:12.16 | cantoma | aptitude install package will not do it |
| 22:12.27 | dondelelcaro | cantoma: aptitude reinstall package; |
| 22:13.04 | cantoma | dondelelcaro, thanks |
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| 22:14.17 | dondelelcaro | jhonnypalace: you can use external cd drives with a powerpc; don't remember how reliably they boot off of usb, though. |
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| 22:15.14 | dondelelcaro | jhonnypalace: and apparently, you can use gnu-fdisk to write mac partition tables |
| 22:15.20 | Sebboh | jhonnypalace: I've done that kind of project before. Not with macs, but, projects where I move heaven and earth to work around some hardware limitation (broken, old, etc). Those kind of things are the BEST learning experiences. But know this: with some money spent on replacement parts, you'd be using your system by now. :) But I understand if you want to do it the hard way. |
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| 22:15.44 | monod | hello |
| 22:15.47 | dondelelcaro | heh; yeah... and never underestimate the ease of ripping a drive out and installing that way |
| 22:15.53 | jhonnypalace | thanks, i want to boot from an usb stick. i have some problems with my external cd drive too... :C |
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| 22:16.02 | monod | please guys, *do not* redirect me to something to *read* |
| 22:16.10 | monod | and please just tell me *how* |
| 22:16.18 | qdii | how can I see which files have been installed by a package |
| 22:16.23 | dondelelcaro | qdii: dpkg -L foopkg; |
| 22:16.26 | qdii | thanks |
| 22:17.10 | jhonnypalace | i will try gnu-fdisk... thanks for the hummer and thanks for the advice about the learning process! |
| 22:17.16 | monod | can I setup an interconnection between my internet connection via cable and the wireless adapter (both installed in 1 pc) so that any laptop could connect to the desktop and use it like a "gateway" to surf the internet, if you haven't understood what I mean I'll explain it better |
| 22:17.23 | DasEi | tharkun: got an answer already ? |
| 22:17.28 | dondelelcaro | monod: yes. |
| 22:17.34 | monod | but please, I have headache from trying to read this and that |
| 22:17.49 | monod | hello dondelelcaro, yes to what? :) |
| 22:17.54 | dondelelcaro | monod: to your question. |
| 22:18.02 | monod | so "yes, it's possible" = |
| 22:18.03 | monod | ?? |
| 22:18.15 | monod | monod> and please just tell me *how* |
| 22:18.16 | dondelelcaro | monod: you asked if it was possible; it is. This is the same setup that any gateway uses. |
| 22:18.20 | Sebboh | monod, also, go ahead. You *may* do that. :) |
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| 22:19.05 | monod | didn't understand what you mean Sebboh.. "go ahead" ? |
| 22:19.13 | monod | what should I say? |
| 22:19.31 | dondelelcaro | dpkg: installed files is <reply> To list files installed by a package, dpkg -L foopkg. If you want to list files in a package you don't have, ask me about <apt-file> or <pdo>. If you want to search for a package which contains a file, ask me about <apt-file> or <search> |
| 22:19.31 | dpkg | okay, dondelelcaro |
| 22:20.19 | Sebboh | monad, I was making a joke. It's a common joke about questions "Can I ...?" vs "May I ...?" in English. |
| 22:20.35 | dondelelcaro | monod: if you're not sure what to do, the instructions are literally here: http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Masquerading-Simple-HOWTO/summary.html |
| 22:20.56 | dondelelcaro | monod: only the first little block matters, but you of course need to know what the external ip is, and what the internal network is. |
| 22:20.58 | DasEi | monod: seb*oh suggested that you can use a pc as an accespoint for other machines and wished you luck |
| 22:21.13 | dondelelcaro | dpkg: list files is <reply> see installed files |
| 22:21.13 | dpkg | dondelelcaro: okay |
| 22:22.15 | tharkun | DasEi: Nope, but everything points at building the hplip package from upstream |
| 22:22.20 | Sebboh | monod, dondelelcaro is right, this problem is best served by reading. We'd have trouble telling you how to do it, because there are several steps and you have to fill in values that are appropriate for your system. We CAN (and will) help you find those values if you ask us. Like: "How do I chose an IP for my gateway machine?" |
| 22:24.00 | DasEi | tharkun: yes, that HP uses propertary drives not included in debian for legal reasons, but that doesn't mean you can't find a driverpackage for Linux (prbly at HP) and then insert that (also cost-free) |
| 22:24.09 | monod | okay guys |
| 22:24.13 | DasEi | drivers* |
| 22:24.22 | monod | then I'll be back (not soon) with the appropriate, more-specific question |
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| 22:24.41 | monod | thanks for the patience, as I've said I have a terrible headache for all the bad tries... |
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| 22:25.05 | dondelelcaro | monod: good luck |
| 22:25.23 | tharkun | DasEi: http://hplipopensource.com/ they have all the info but building is required. I just don't feel like it on a production server. |
| 22:26.12 | tharkun | I am entertaining the thought of builiding on a vm and then transfering everything to the server to make install. Don't know if it will work. |
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| 22:26.28 | DasEi | tharkun: point if no too used in that, maybe try it on a vm first ? |
| 22:26.40 | DasEi | ahh^ |
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| 22:27.34 | dondelelcaro | tharkun: I'd honestly even do the make install on the VM, and then transfer over the driver bits |
| 22:27.58 | tharkun | the other option would be to generate a debootstrap chroot to build and make install directly on the filesystem. But then the working principal would be the same. |
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| 22:28.18 | DasEi | tharkun: building that is quite easy, but there always is a (very little) risk of borking something if one is no guru in compiling/inserting, so after a succesfull vm-test then do it on the productional host |
| 22:28.23 | tharkun | dondelelcaro: hmm that is a new thought, yet I really don't know which bits are the one failing |
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| 22:29.12 | tharkun | DasEi: I'm no guru and restoring a productin server is not that hard. The problem is allways the phone. ;P |
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| 22:30.03 | DasEi | tharkun: phone ? i don't undestand .. |
| 22:30.10 | DasEi | r |
| 22:30.39 | monod | thanks dondelelcaro :) thank you all! |
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| 22:33.29 | dondelelcaro | DasEi: the phone usually starts ringing when a production server is down |
| 22:33.38 | dondelelcaro | DasEi: people seem to think that calling to tell you that it's down is helpful |
| 22:34.38 | sioux_ | hi i have this ruleptables -t nat -I PREROUTING -p tcp -s receptor.ans.gov.br --dport 20001 -j DNAT --to $190.0.0.200, and i want filter this rule when i run this .. iptables -t nat -L -n -v .. i tried thi iptables -t nat -L -n -v | grep *20001* , but doesnt work |
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| 22:35.25 | tharkun | sioux_: iptables-save is your friend |
| 22:36.02 | sioux_ | tharkun: save configs in a file and search in, and show ? |
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| 22:37.08 | tharkun | sioux_: iptables-save|grep 20001 should suffice or you can save it to a file man iptables-save and man iptables-restore can be of most help for you now |
| 22:37.13 | gh0stn0te | hi |
| 22:38.39 | sioux_ | tharkun: thanks man! =) |
| 22:39.17 | tharkun | np |
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| 23:01.43 | LordBrain | I keep getting this key error when i run apt-get update |
| 23:01.46 | LordBrain | W: GPG error: http://mirrors.xenir.com wheezy Release: The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG AED4B06F473041FA Debian Archive Automatic Signing Key (6.0/squeeze) <ftpmaster@debian.org> |
| 23:02.01 | abrotman | try another mirror perhaps |
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| 23:03.18 | LordBrain | i recall there was a package which had a script to find the quickest mirror, what was that? |
| 23:03.27 | themill | dpkg: tell LordBrain about http.debian.net |
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| 23:05.41 | DasEi | LordBrain: quick n dirty you can also synaptic do that |
| 23:05.50 | LordBrain | i switched to http.debian.net and i got W: Failed to fetch bzip2:/var/lib/apt/lists/partial/http.debian.net_debian_dists_wheezy_main_binary-amd64_Packages Hash Sum mismatch |
| 23:06.03 | abrotman | LordBrain: pastebin your sources.list |
| 23:06.16 | LordBrain | it has only one line |
| 23:06.22 | DasEi | oo |
| 23:06.38 | LordBrain | # deb http://mirrors.xenir.com/debian wheezy main |
| 23:06.38 | LordBrain | deb http://http.debian.net/debian/ wheezy main |
| 23:06.55 | LordBrain | two lines now that i remarked out xenir and put in http.debian.net |
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| 23:08.25 | DasEi | LordBrain: there are essential ( as of updates) lines missing; you could add them and possibly get towns of updates, or just reinstall to squeeze would my my idea |
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| 23:08.35 | DasEi | tons* |
| 23:08.46 | LordBrain | no, this is a wheezy chroot |
| 23:08.51 | LordBrain | i am not re-installing |
| 23:09.07 | LordBrain | whatever is essential was not put in by debootstrap |
| 23:09.13 | LordBrain | what do i need? |
| 23:09.18 | DasEi | LordBrain: I see , chroot |
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| 23:10.45 | DasEi | LordBrain: look up what dpkg told you, there is a command line option to find fastest mirror, I can't remeber right now |
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| 23:11.47 | themill | LordBrain: do you have a proxy or something between you and the mirror? |
| 23:12.20 | LordBrain | no |
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| 23:14.45 | themill | dpkg: tell LordBrain about which http.debian.net |
| 23:15.08 | themill | or visit http://http.debian.net/demo.html |
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| 23:25.30 | LordBrain | i got it to work with a different mirror |
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| 23:58.35 | rryoumaa | just curious: is there such a thing as auto-renicing things when they are minimized, or otherwise preferentially giving resources to programs that are being used interactively? |
| 23:59.14 | rryoumaa | like, if i did a recursive grep, i'd want to have that be really low priority for disk usage too |
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| 23:59.46 | squisher | hey folks, anyone know where I can find some actual documentation about vlans? |
