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| 00:00.10 | yahbah | whats a vlan? |
| 00:00.12 | dondelelcaro | squisher: what's your question? |
| 00:00.14 | squisher | there's absolutely nothing in the ifupdown docs, and the wiki contains some slightly conflicting advice |
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| 00:00.53 | squisher | dondelelcaro, for example, is it vlan-raw-device or vlan_raw_device? And is there a way to use other interface names than "raw_dev.VLAN-ID" |
| 00:01.26 | squisher | yahbah, virtual networking, that is telling your switch what network you want to be part of |
| 00:01.46 | dondelelcaro | squisher: you can name it anything you want, actually |
| 00:01.59 | dondelelcaro | squisher: install the vlan package, and man vlan-interfaces; for details |
| 00:02.21 | yahbah | i dont know anything about that |
| 00:02.25 | yahbah | im inocent |
| 00:02.30 | Jochen46_ | but it is always goo to keep raw_dev.vlan_id |
| 00:02.50 | Jochen46_ | +d |
| 00:02.51 | squisher | dondelelcaro, hm, I'm actually missing that package, thanks for the pointer |
| 00:03.05 | squisher | thanks Jochen46_, dondelelcaro |
| 00:03.05 | dondelelcaro | squisher: err, actually, I'm wrong. If you use the scripts, you have to have the number in the interface. but it doesn't have to be raw_dev.VLAN-ID. |
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| 00:05.34 | dondelelcaro | squisher: if you want to do some more complicated device naming schemes, you can do that too, but it'll require mucking with /etc/networking/if-preup.d/vlan |
| 00:05.47 | dondelelcaro | squisher: which is probably not worth bothering with |
| 00:05.59 | squisher | dondelelcaro, yeah that's just what I was thinking :) |
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| 00:08.39 | akiva_ | Is this a bug? I create a raid using mdadm. It puts the appropriate file in /dev/md0. When I boot up gparted, it says it is looking for /dev/md/0, and can't find it, and installation headaches galore! |
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| 00:15.50 | squisher | akiva_, /dev/md0 is not a file, it's a device. You probably need to do a raid autodetect or something similar, which then hopefully assembles /dev/md/0 |
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| 00:29.23 | thinkerweb | hi, anyone tried an hdtv instead of monitor, how is picture quality, I wanna be able to read and write text and watch videos in vlc |
| 00:29.51 | abrotman | isn't a monitor the same resolution? |
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| 00:30.24 | dvs | thinkerweb: A TV is pretty much a monitor with a built-in tuner nowadays |
| 00:30.41 | thinkerweb | abrotman, I have 24 inch wide screen lcd, its pretty old so the refresh rate is probably 5ms, but he tv is probably 6ms while its is 32inch |
| 00:30.51 | thinkerweb | dvs, thats what I thought |
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| 00:31.23 | thinkerweb | dvs, Are they able to dispay dual inputs at once, like picture in picture? |
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| 00:31.32 | thinkerweb | depends on tv, nevermind |
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| 00:37.52 | opr | hm, so when i scroll in my terminal, there's this bizarre mechanical clicking |
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| 00:39.57 | opr | "how do i stop it" |
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| 00:41.13 | petn-randall | opr: Apply some WD-40 to the cranks. |
| 00:41.15 | abrotman | is it coming from your speaker? |
| 00:41.56 | opr | abrotman, i THINK so, but my speaker is muted |
| 00:42.51 | abrotman | wonders which kind of terminal this is |
| 00:44.08 | reavengrey | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3tBqdKGiqnI |
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| 00:44.25 | reavengrey | I found the meaning of life |
| 00:44.29 | themill | reavengrey: wrong channel? |
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| 00:44.40 | reavengrey | No lol |
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| 00:44.57 | reavengrey | I pasted it in here so people could watch it, it's funny |
| 00:44.59 | reavengrey | obv |
| 00:45.20 | un214 | uhh #debian-offtopic exists for a reason |
| 00:45.25 | dvs | reavengrey: it's still the wrong channel |
| 00:45.30 | opr | abrotman, gnome terminal |
| 00:45.37 | reavengrey | Oic, kk offtopic next time |
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| 00:47.16 | abrotman | opr: squeeze? wheezy? |
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| 00:48.00 | opr | abrotman, wheezy |
| 00:48.07 | abrotman | opr: i wonder if it's trying to ring your system bell |
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| 00:48.26 | opr | why would it? |
| 00:48.30 | themill | opr: I've seen this a few times with different machines (mostly laptops) where various screen activity causes clicking of buzzing from the speakers. The best explanation that I've ever managed to get from anyone was "cheap capacitors" which was neither an explanation nor a way of solving the problem... |
| 00:48.33 | abrotman | that's an option to do so |
| 00:48.50 | opr | themill, yeah seems like a *reason* but not a solution haha |
| 00:49.23 | opr | ok, well we'll ignore the clicking for now, i wonder if you guys can help me with something else |
| 00:49.49 | opr | whenever i resume from suspend, after a minute or two, the system becomes very laggy, slow, and mouse keyboard input is the same |
| 00:50.00 | opr | then after a variable amount of time, it returns to norma |
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| 00:51.37 | themill | It's a little disoriented when you wake it up... think how you feel if you get woken up in the middle of a deep sleep |
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| 00:52.42 | smalltock | Small problem |
| 00:52.52 | smalltock | Wondering if someone can help me |
| 00:53.07 | petn-randall | smalltock: don't be shy, just ask :) |
| 00:53.15 | smalltock | I'm a satisfied user of Crunchbang (#!) Linux, but looking to switch to Debian |
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| 00:53.33 | smalltock | #! works perfectly, all drivers installing in the installation process |
| 00:53.36 | smalltock | Debian, not so much |
| 00:53.54 | smalltock | Debian Wheezy doesn't recognize my wlan0, whereas #! does |
| 00:54.00 | smalltock | and both are Debian Wheezy |
| 00:54.27 | themill | no, both are not debian wheezy... |
| 00:54.47 | petn-randall | !based on |
| 00:54.53 | dpkg | Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't and cannot know what changes were made by your distribution (compare http://futurist.se/gldt/). #debian only supports Debian; please respect our choice to volunteer here to help Debian users. Support for other distributions is off-topic on #debian, even if your own distro's channel is clueless or non-existent. |
| 00:54.53 | smalltock | as well, Debian won't install any packages unless I insert the install disc...but I used a USB stick and would rather just install from the repos |
| 00:55.28 | petn-randall | smalltock: either use your wired network, or bring the firmware along when you install. |
| 00:55.31 | smalltock | well yeah. Crunchbang is Wheezy + Openbox and Tint2 |
| 00:55.38 | dvs | smalltock: That's easy to fix. Edit the /etc/apt/sources.list file |
| 00:55.41 | petn-randall | smalltock: no it's not. |
| 00:55.41 | themill | + lots of other random crap |
| 00:55.50 | smalltock | meh, I guess |
| 00:55.53 | themill | smalltock: it's likely that you just need to feed your wireless driver the firmware. |
| 00:55.54 | petn-randall | A fork is a fork |
| 00:55.55 | opr | themill, yeah but it runs fine for a couple of minutes THEN does it |
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| 00:56.22 | smalltock | Alright I'll give this another go in a bit |
| 00:56.28 | smalltock | thanks for the help |
| 00:56.32 | qz22 | So, I installed the nvidia drivers through the repository (I'm running 6.0.7). When I run nvidia-xconfig and restart X, the screen displays a blinking cursor and is unresponsive. If I boot into recovery mode and remove the xorg.conf generated by xconfig, my system works again. Any ideas on how to proceed? |
| 00:56.49 | petn-randall | smalltock: Out of curiosity, if you're fine with your current distro, why do you want to switch? |
| 00:57.16 | smalltock | No particular reason |
| 00:57.27 | smalltock | other than that I want to use the father of the Debian family |
| 00:57.48 | opr | also, why doesn't chrome make my speaker click |
| 00:57.50 | opr | but term does |
| 00:58.34 | yahbah | ive ripped out my speaker |
| 00:58.50 | yahbah | bipper thingy |
| 00:58.55 | opr | anarchist |
| 00:59.09 | yahbah | why? |
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| 00:59.27 | yahbah | actually im the anti-christ |
| 00:59.46 | themill | yahbah: perhaps you were looking for #defocus? |
| 00:59.53 | yahbah | nop |
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| 01:00.06 | abrotman | you're going to be |
| 01:00.10 | petn-randall | What's #defocus? |
| 01:00.20 | yahbah | its the gutter |
| 01:00.20 | abrotman | petn-randall: network's general chat channel |
| 01:00.24 | opr | yahbah, why don't you join #opr it's really cool and fun and we have girls. |
| 01:00.28 | abrotman | yahbah: do you need help with Debian ? |
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| 01:00.36 | abrotman | opr: please don't feed the troll |
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| 01:39.39 | Akuw | is there any application to compose trap and bass music ? |
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| 01:45.43 | abrotman | Akuw: Hydrogen ? Bass drum or guitar? |
| 01:46.01 | Akuw | electronic music |
| 01:46.14 | abrotman | yes, it comes from a computer |
| 01:46.42 | dvs | I think he means "dance" |
| 01:46.46 | Akuw | yes |
| 01:46.52 | dvs | or some faxsimilie |
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| 01:47.31 | dvs | hasn't messed with sequencers in a long time. |
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| 01:50.10 | smalltock | having a problem |
| 01:50.25 | smalltock | just installed debian and commented out the CD sources in sources.list |
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| 01:50.46 | smalltock | but now aptitude can't find any packages aside from what's already installed |
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| 01:51.23 | LtL | smalltock: apt-get update or aptitude |
| 01:51.24 | smalltock | in addition, I can't edit repository settings in synaptic's interface |
| 01:51.45 | LtL | smalltock: nano /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 01:52.09 | smalltock | I tried aptitude update, but it complained |
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| 01:52.13 | smalltock | will try again |
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| 01:52.39 | abrotman | Akuw: Hydrogen can't do that? |
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| 01:53.08 | Akuw | let me try, i am aptitude it |
| 01:53.56 | smalltock | ah yes! |
| 01:53.57 | smalltock | worked! |
| 01:53.59 | smalltock | huge thanks |
| 01:54.02 | smalltock | however |
| 01:54.12 | smalltock | it began working after I removed MATE's sources |
| 01:54.39 | smalltock | I would like to install MATE, so that's a bit of a problem. It is complaining about MATE's repo no having a public key or something |
| 01:54.47 | LtL | smalltock: MATE isn't supported in #debian as far as i'm aware. |
| 01:55.02 | smalltock | I know. But MATE supports debian installation |
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| 01:55.25 | smalltock | I guess this is an issue to take up with MATE, though |
| 01:55.30 | smalltock | thanks, again |
| 01:55.35 | LtL | np |
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| 01:55.40 | Akuw | abrotman: thanks |
| 01:55.56 | Akuw | abrotman: i have a problem with iptables |
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| 01:57.09 | Akuw | i have configured iptables like that ---> http://www.pastebin.ca/2342324 |
| 01:57.36 | Akuw | but when i use DROP on input i can't connect to internet |
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| 02:01.16 | smalltock | Oh my. #mate is really sluggish. Could somebody tell me what to do when I encounter an error such as the following? http://pastebin.com/UUchSfMj |
| 02:01.19 | abrotman | wonders what iptables has to do with dance music |
| 02:01.31 | abrotman | smalltock: no, we can't, MATE is supported by #mate |
| 02:02.03 | smalltock | It's a repository issue. I'm asking what one should do when a repository throws an error during aptitude update such as depicted in my paste. |
| 02:02.34 | abrotman | right, ask them |
| 02:02.55 | smalltock | But if the answer cannot be found here, I'd rather not be a burden. Thanks for the help |
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| 02:32.59 | lispghost | hi,I have a problem when I subscribe the comp.os.linux.answers I was been refused,how can I deal with it? |
| 02:33.05 | lispghost | I am in China. |
| 02:33.55 | bigtone | My debian server bootup is broken. I migrated from 1TB disks (non-GPT, RAID1 for /boot, RAID5 -> LVM -> ext4 for the rest) to 3TB disks (GPT, same RAID1 and RAID5). I created the bios_grub partitions. To migrate, I extended the VG, did pvmove, then removed the old RAID5 device. I also cloned the old RAID1 to the new RAID1 /boot. Booting fails with not being able to find the VG. I tried rootdelay=60. I also booted a live CD, and chroo |
| 02:34.36 | abrotman | lispghost: with which client? |
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| 02:35.46 | bigtone | if initramfs has the RAID and LVM tools, and they work, I assume that means update-initramfs correctly found that it needed those modules and tools. Reasonable? |
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| 02:37.32 | lispghost | abrotman:i use thundbird |
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| 02:37.45 | lispghost | abrotman: I use thundbird |
| 02:37.54 | abrotman | why is it refused? |
| 02:38.04 | abrotman | should give you an error |
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| 02:39.19 | lispghost | abrotman: It just says "when I connect the webserver I was refused" |
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| 03:24.45 | idealities | Hi, I have to implement a net_lock() system call in kernel to provide radio lock for phone, so when sleeper process get the lock, it will turn off the radio, other processes need to use it will wait sleeper to net_unlock(). |
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| 04:55.00 | bigtone | re my RAID bootup problem above: appears that a kernel upgrade fixed it. Probably something out of whack that the upgrade redid for me |
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| 04:56.18 | bigtone | ]/quit |
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| 05:32.29 | smalltock | Hello again, folks. I just wanted to offer my gratitude to those who helped me tonight. Ever since I had initially made the switch from Windows to Ubuntu 10.04, I had ultimately wanted to install Debian, herself. After several failed attempts at installing it properly with all the necessary drivers, I had succumbed to the fruits of my failures and decided to settle for the best pre-packaged interpretation. I had tried LMDE, Crunchb |
| 05:32.31 | smalltock | ang, SnowLinux, SolusOS, AptoSid, Parsix, and others in this endeavor, never being truly satisfied. However, thanks to the lovely bastards in this channel, I have managed to install a fully operational Debian installation with the MATE desktop environment and enjoying myself. Please accept my sincere thanks. That is all. |
| 05:34.28 | peterrooney | smalltock: You must have learned a thing or two doing that! Hanging about and helping someone else is probably probitive of gratitude. |
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| 05:45.09 | truexfan81 | anyone know why debian does not keep inxi in the repos? |
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| 05:46.49 | themill | ,bug 686800 |
| 05:46.51 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/686800 in wnpp (open): «ITP: inxi -- system information script for console, IRC or forum posts»; severity: wishlist; opened: 2012-09-06; last modified: 2013-02-21. |
| 05:47.48 | truexfan81 | not a big deal, i just installed it from the deb package and did a apt-get install -f after |
| 05:48.07 | truexfan81 | a new user probably would not be able to figure that out tho |
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| 05:48.40 | Konomi | generally new users aren't running system information scripts |
| 05:49.32 | Konomi | inxi is generally not used for any sort of system information to diagnose problems either |
| 05:50.50 | KsM | conky isn't really used for much more than ricing either, but that's still in the repos |
| 05:51.31 | Konomi | conky sits on the desktop and stays there it isn't a one off run |
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| 05:53.37 | Konomi | someone needs to the maintain the package either way so you either need to do it yourself or find someone willing to do it |
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| 05:54.07 | KsM | What does it really take to maintain a package |
| 05:54.44 | Konomi | I am not sure you'd have to check I don't maintain any |
| 05:55.25 | KsM | meh, I need to go in a couple minutes so I'll go look another time |
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| 06:04.15 | nubbins | I'm trying to set up Konversation, and I am using the script to import the server list from mIRC but it keeps telling me to quit konversation first. But it's not running.. Anyone have any ideas? |
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| 06:16.49 | Konomi | pidof konversation |
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| 06:16.57 | Konomi | killall -s 9 konversation |
| 06:17.09 | Konomi | if it's running and got a process that has broken ;p |
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| 06:19.18 | nubbins | no process found |
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| 06:21.01 | ectospasm | ps -C kon* |
| 06:22.28 | nubbins | doesn't show anything, I'm thinking it may be an issue with the perl script but I don't know perl |
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| 06:24.16 | ectospasm | I dunno, looks like that import script is defective |
| 06:24.35 | ectospasm | Unless there's something in /var/run lying around from a previous incantation of konversation |
| 06:25.26 | ectospasm | I don't use Konversation (nor mIRC), so I cannot help. |
| 06:25.46 | nubbins | looks pretty clean, I'm gonna try reading through the script, thanks anyway |
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| 06:30.04 | nvz | could someone please tell me how to scp nvz@foobar:/home/nvz/dir with spaces/file . ? |
| 06:30.30 | nvz | I tried the normal \escape and "" quoting.. both result in it tokenizing at the first space |
| 06:30.48 | nvz | idk why scp works differently here than all other progrms on the shell |
| 06:30.56 | LtL | nvz: wildcards maybe |
| 06:31.26 | nvz | I've always just renamed things.. but its relly pissin me off right now.. heh.. I just want to know how to do it right |
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| 06:33.19 | nvz | fires up filezilla |
| 06:36.01 | ectospasm | Backslash escaping it should work, nvz... or else I'll use mc |
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| 07:01.21 | nvz | yeah well the backslash thing didn't work.. I just used filezilla for now.. |
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| 07:24.48 | hnsz2002 | hi all! i have debian 6 on 2 members raid1. i need to change the first disk, but grub2 located only this one. |
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| 07:25.19 | hnsz2002 | how can i install to another drive, and after change the disk, to new drive grub2? |
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| 07:27.17 | epitamizor | grub2-install disk2 |
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| 07:28.23 | epitamizor | if its raid1 then the disk should be that same |
| 07:28.51 | hnsz2002 | i tried this, grub2-setup, update-grub and everything that i found string grub* |
| 07:29.06 | hnsz2002 | but if i remove the first disk, the system didn't boot |
| 07:29.28 | hnsz2002 | some files are missing, enter in grub rescue mode |
| 07:29.35 | hnsz2002 | this was the maximum what i reach |
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| 07:31.17 | epitamizor | change the bios to boot from disk2 |
| 07:31.26 | epitamizor | to let disk1 rebuild |
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| 07:31.44 | hnsz2002 | ok, i try it |
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| 07:31.54 | hnsz2002 | so, grub2 install on disk2, and bios boot order change |
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| 07:55.43 | daniel-s | hi |
| 07:55.59 | daniel-s | I just noticed that I had a removable drive that was formatted as NTFS |
| 07:56.05 | daniel-s | I was able to move and delete files. |
| 07:56.34 | daniel-s | How long as Linux had a stable read/write driver for NTFS? |
| 07:56.50 | daniel-s | I remember that I could always only read files from NTFS volumes. |
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| 07:59.28 | cinhtau | good morning everybody - does anyone know where openbox config is placed in debian wheezy? |
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| 08:01.17 | well_laid_lawn | should be in ~/.config somewhere afaik |
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| 08:01.21 | epitamizor | daniel-s, what cave did u crawl outta |
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| 08:02.13 | truexfan81 | daniel-s: lookup ntfs-3g ;) |
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| 08:15.58 | cinhtau | thank you, openbox config is ~/.config/openbox/rc.xml |
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| 08:18.48 | hnsz2002 | epitamizor: did not helped |
| 08:19.02 | hnsz2002 | grub doesn't appear |
| 08:19.08 | hnsz2002 | system automatically rebooted |
| 08:19.53 | epitamizor | swap disk2 into disk1 |
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| 08:20.10 | epitamizor | and reboot |
| 08:20.19 | hnsz2002 | how? |
| 08:20.29 | epitamizor | power off, the change disk |
| 08:20.58 | hnsz2002 | so: |
| 08:21.32 | hnsz2002 | two disk raid array, sda have bad sector, i want to change |
| 08:21.39 | hnsz2002 | sdb is active sync in raid array |
| 08:21.46 | hnsz2002 | i turn off the machine |
| 08:21.57 | hnsz2002 | unplug the bad disk, only oen remain |
| 08:22.02 | hnsz2002 | and the system not boot |
| 08:22.10 | hnsz2002 | this is the problem |
| 08:22.57 | epitamizor | try disk2 into disk1 |
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| 08:23.57 | hnsz2002 | i think doesnt matter to which sata port connected the disk |
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| 08:24.19 | hnsz2002 | i plug the second disk now to the first sata cable |
| 08:24.24 | hnsz2002 | and did not boot |
| 08:24.35 | epitamizor | did u switch back bios setting |
| 08:24.41 | ectospasm | hnsz2002: what kind of RAID is this? |
| 08:24.53 | hnsz2002 | mdadm raid1 |
| 08:24.59 | hnsz2002 | nothing to change in bios |
| 08:25.03 | hnsz2002 | one disk available |
| 08:25.13 | hnsz2002 | arggh, i hate this fucking grub2 |
| 08:25.57 | epitamizor | grube doesnt boot off any disk it has to be a specific one |
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| 08:29.38 | epitamizor | if you can get to grub rescue prompt u still may be able to boot |
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| 08:30.06 | hnsz2002 | i not get anything |
| 08:30.36 | hnsz2002 | bios ahci scree appear, then monitor say "no signal", and come bios post again |
| 08:30.50 | hnsz2002 | and continues this loop |
| 08:31.06 | epitamizor | its not seeing the disk then, either drive is bad or not connected |
| 08:31.34 | hnsz2002 | then what can i do now? |
| 08:31.34 | epitamizor | put all the drives back in and restart |
| 08:31.46 | hnsz2002 | ok, done |
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| 08:48.38 | maob_ | Hello - I Have graphic problem with ATI Technologies Inc M56P [Radeon Mobility X1600] (prog-if 00 [VGA controller] on Packard Bell V7900. Debian 6.0.7 squeeze. Monitor Lcd intermittent without regularity |
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| 08:49.27 | maob_ | Packard Bell easynote |
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| 08:50.48 | epitamizor | thats an old machine |
| 08:51.00 | epitamizor | u need to upgrade |
| 08:51.50 | jelly-home | epitamizor: please don't ask users to upgrade their hardware unless you're personally willing to give them $$$ to enable that solution |
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| 08:52.18 | ksuhku | maob_, monitor does what? |
| 08:52.48 | maob_ | seem a lack of signal |
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| 08:53.02 | maob_ | seems |
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| 08:54.09 | ksuhku | maob_, checked the cables? |
| 08:54.36 | maob_ | when i start the system it's ok but after few minutes it starts to turn black |
| 08:54.49 | maob_ | I havo cables |
| 08:55.08 | ksuhku | screensaver? |
| 08:55.13 | ksuhku | dpms? |
| 08:55.16 | maob_ | no |
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| 08:56.49 | maob_ | the monitor Lcd goes to black intermittently |
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| 08:57.18 | epitamizor | the backlight is failing then |
| 08:57.23 | maob_ | like lack of signal but I have no wires |
| 08:57.35 | maob_ | yes |
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| 08:58.34 | epitamizor | maybe u jsut need new monitor then or test it out on known good machine |
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| 08:59.19 | maob_ | I've tried whit other distro but works well |
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| 08:59.44 | epitamizor | boot with nomodeset kernel option then |
| 08:59.56 | maob_ | I need debian |
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| 09:08.32 | maob_ | epitamizor how can I boot with nomodeset kernel? |
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| 09:10.36 | ksuhku | maob_, edit grub's config and add to the kernel line the word nomodeset (and update-grub) |
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| 09:11.07 | ksuhku | then reboot |
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| 09:25.06 | eugenmayer | is there a way to delete the current install / uininstall list of aptitiude? i accidently hit + on the "new package" list, inst4ead the sec updates.. |
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| 09:25.21 | eugenmayer | apt-get clean / aptitude clean is not what it does, i suppose ( tested ) |
| 09:25.40 | apm1 | eugenmayer, apt-get autoclean |
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| 09:25.59 | eugenmayer | Thank you, worked! |
| 09:26.05 | eugenmayer | apm1++ |
| 09:26.07 | apm1 | :) |
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| 09:51.49 | apm1 | ah action fail :( |
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| 10:03.14 | Thomas_Ed | http://getworld.uk.to/ |
| 10:03.35 | Kharec | [A |
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| 10:04.15 | ksuhku | Kharec, [B |
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| 10:05.32 | Kharec | ksuhku: Mistaping, sorry. |
| 10:05.37 | Mogget | Hey guys. I am having an issue and I am not sure it is Debian related or configuration related. When i do dpkg-reconfigure exim-conf and choose that exim to forward mails to internet it will not do so on some of my machines. I have a suspicion this might be because there is no reverse dns on these so that receivers will reject the attempt to send email. I am not sure on any of this. Any idea how I can know for sure? |
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| 10:06.55 | ChrisH | Mogget: date | mailx -v -s "testmail" someone@validdomain.com will show you what happens. But the reverse lookup can be a valid reject reason. |
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| 10:07.39 | ectospasm | you can also check /var/log/exim4/mainlog for clues |
| 10:08.43 | maob_ | I've reboot but nothing changes |
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| 10:09.41 | epitamizor | maob_, u still not get it working? |
| 10:10.08 | maob_ | epitamizor, no |
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| 10:11.33 | Mogget | ChrisH, ectospasm: Thank you. |
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| 10:12.15 | epitamizor | maob_, was it even working in the first place? |
| 10:13.02 | ChrisH | Mogget: I forgot to enable split config while editing in conf.d and nothing changed. |
| 10:13.07 | epitamizor | maob_, once you replace first disk did it still work |
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| 10:16.03 | maob_ | epitamizor, no the problem it's the same |
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| 10:20.26 | maob_ | epitamizor, what can I do? |
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| 10:21.35 | epitamizor | backup data , recarve and rebuild array |
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| 10:22.51 | maob_ | epitamizor, already done |
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| 10:24.05 | epitamizor | then it should boot, try livecd and reinstall grub |
| 10:24.57 | epitamizor | the rebuild will not copy over the boot sector |
| 10:25.12 | epitamizor | edit the partition table to boot from first disk |
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| 10:26.30 | maob_ | epitamizor, ok thanks |
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| 10:32.23 | mundooficina4 | Hello, I sell tablets from China for 55 euros shipping included |
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| 10:56.22 | impaktor | Whats the best (meaning fastest, least hassle) way of getting gcc4.6 version into Squeeze? I'm thinking to just download the package form wheezy and resolve the dependencies manually. |
| 10:56.42 | ledestin | backports? |
| 10:57.01 | ledestin | try what you are going to, otherwise build it yourself |
| 10:57.07 | ledestin | that's what I do |
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| 10:58.00 | Electron^- | heya guys... |
| 10:58.37 | babilen | ledestin, impaktor: That will, almost certainly, be problematic due to multiarch and other changes. |
| 10:59.12 | ledestin | babilen: oh, well, I did it for ruby |
| 10:59.13 | babilen | impaktor: I'd say: Upgrade to wheezy if you need it or build it yourself/run it in a wheezy chroot/virtual machine. |
| 10:59.23 | ledestin | babilen: just recently |
| 10:59.36 | ledestin | babilen: that is, I built it |
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| 10:59.46 | Electron^- | I'm trying to install all the libqt4 packets, but a package is in conflict with a dependece... I'm using the command "apt-get install libqt4*" because the is a lot of package but how i can exclude the package that is in conflicts? |
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| 11:00.05 | babilen | impaktor: You can also build it from upstream sources or adapt the packaging of gcc-4.6 to squeeze. It /might/ be fairly straightforward by using the method in "/msg dpkg ssb" |
| 11:00.28 | ChrisH | anyone used http://software.opensuse.org/download/package?project=isv:ownCloud:community&package=owncloud to integrate owncloud into debian stable? |
| 11:00.35 | babilen | impaktor: If upgrading to wheezy is not an option I'll give the latter a try. Installing the package from wheezy is /not/ possible. |
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| 11:00.54 | babilen | ,owncloud |
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| 11:00.58 | babilen | ,v owncloud |
| 11:01.00 | judd | Package: owncloud on i386 -- wheezy-proposed-updates: 4.0.4debian2-3.3; sid: 4.0.8debian-1.6 |
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| 11:01.15 | babilen | ChrisH: ^^^ no idea if anyone has it running on squeeze though |
| 11:01.29 | nkuttler | it's just a php app, isn't it? |
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| 11:01.36 | babilen | "just" |
| 11:01.47 | ChrisH | babilen: thanks for opening my eyes... the system I intended to use is on wheezy. So no need to use that. |
| 11:02.01 | babilen | I think that applies that it needs /exactly/ the PHP version in wheezy and there is no way that it'll work with the PHP version on squeeze :) |
| 11:02.12 | babilen | ChrisH: Oh, even better :) |
| 11:02.20 | babilen | s/applies/implies/ |
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| 11:04.18 | ChrisH | babilen: I initialla checked on wheezy and then on squeeze and found it only on wheezy. Then I forgot that I did setup the system I thought to use owncloud on with testing and not stable. |
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| 11:07.04 | impaktor | So the next question would be: to upgrade from Squeeze to Wheezy, is it as simple as editing the /etc/../source.list and then do a apt-get update? I saw a tutorial somewhere that made heavy use of various "force upgrade" etc. options. I don't know why that would be useful? |
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| 11:07.26 | nkuttler | impaktor: no |
| 11:07.42 | nkuttler | impaktor: start here http://www.debian.org/releases/testing/releasenotes |
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| 11:09.45 | johndoe | im using wheezy. is hibernation possible? |
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| 11:11.50 | impaktor | johndoe: That depends on your laptop. |
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| 11:17.10 | Duality | can i install the current kernel on debian squeeze ? |
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| 11:18.31 | halt1 | Hi all, I'm planing to install debian as secondary OS, I used a dual boot before with Ubuntu and there is a solution called wubi, which allow to install and remove inside the windows, is there any solution for debian which is similiar to wubi ? |
| 11:18.35 | impaktor | Duality: that is usually no problem. |
| 11:19.05 | impaktor | halt: no. |
| 11:19.18 | impaktor | not that I know of. |
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| 11:19.27 | apm1 | actually there is a tool impaktor |
| 11:19.45 | apm1 | on the first dvd image |
| 11:20.10 | babilen | Duality: Yes, but which version is "current" ? |
| 11:20.13 | impaktor | really? I've been away from Debian since Lenny, so I'm a bit "outdated". |
| 11:20.27 | apm1 | http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Loader |
| 11:20.42 | babilen | halt: No, there is not and AFAIK we do not plan to offer something like that hack as well. |
| 11:21.04 | halt | apm1: thx this looks similar |
| 11:21.11 | babilen | It is not |
| 11:21.12 | johndoe | impaktor: desktop computer |
| 11:22.12 | apm1 | babilen, so you mean the debian project has nothing to do with "goodbye-microsoft.com" ? |
| 11:22.25 | babilen | halt: If you want to use Debian you have to install it for real. The installer supports resizing your NTFS filesystems as documented in the installation guide. |
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| 11:23.05 | babilen | apm1: No, I simply mean that that and the setup.exe on the installer image is simply another way to start the actual installer and is not comparable at all to wubi. |
| 11:23.07 | apm1 | babilen, then why is there a wiki page on the official debian wiki abt it ? |
| 11:23.13 | apm1 | ah |
| 11:23.20 | apm1 | thats right babilen |
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| 11:23.22 | Duality | 3.2.x i think |
| 11:23.39 | babilen | Duality: That is easily done by installing it from backports. Is this for your personal machine? |
| 11:23.55 | impaktor | halt: I have to agree with the general opinion and urge you to not use wubi or other tricycle solutions. If you want to learn how to bike, use no more than two wheels. |
| 11:24.26 | babilen | Duality: If so you might want to consider upgrading to wheezy (the next version of Debian that is expected to be released as stable soon (couple of weeks)). Would that be an option or would you prefer to stay with squeeze? |
| 11:24.32 | Duality | w8 they are way further then that i see :) 3.8.4 i see, babilen yes personal machine :) |
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| 11:24.49 | halt | babilen: I want to boot the virtual disk image later in windows , so I'm searching for an option to be able to boot it directly the image and also be able to boot in a vm |
| 11:24.54 | impaktor | johndoe: I see no reason why it should not work. Check google. |
| 11:24.55 | Duality | babilen: if i do upgrade would it break stuff ? |
| 11:26.38 | babilen | Duality: Ok, in that case I would recommend to upgrade to wheezy which comes with a 3.2 kernel (with a bunch of stuff backported from later kernels) -- The procedure is documented in the <wheezy release notes> and <squeeze->wheezy>. You can install a 3.8 kernel from <experimental> on both squeeze and <wheezy>, but I haven't tested it at all on stable. The package is called linux-image-3.8-trunk-amd64 or linux-image-3.8-trunk-686-pae depending on ... |
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| 11:26.45 | babilen | ... your architecture. |
| 11:27.13 | Duality | if upgrading to weezy wouldn't break to much it be a good option :) |
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| 11:27.35 | Duality | babilen: not aiming for 3.8 but more like 3.2 :) |
| 11:27.38 | babilen | Duality: Well, I cannot guarantee that it won't break anything but we are typically spending a lot of time to make it easy to upgrade. Some bugs that prevent us from releasing wheezy at this point are specific to the upgrade path though, but we have been able to sort those out. (cf. <immediate configuration>) |
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| 11:28.35 | Duality | babilen: I have no problem with it, if it breaks a few things thoug :) i make regular backups. just wondering :) |
| 11:28.37 | babilen | Duality: You can install 3.2 very easily from backports by following <bdo kernel> (/msg dpkg bdo kernel -- likewise for all the other references) -- But you /will/ have to upgrade to wheezy soonish anyway, so if you do need a newer kernel now you might just do it now. When did you install that machine? |
| 11:29.03 | babilen | Duality: Which desktop environment do you use? |
| 11:29.08 | Duality | lxde |
| 11:29.46 | Duality | installed this debian a few weeks ago |
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| 11:30.02 | babilen | halt: You can boot the installer from Windows (the aforementioned setup.exe allows that) but you /will/ have to make a real installation for Debian as we do not support the hack that is wubi. (which is fugly and causes lots of problems, but ask about that in #ubuntu) |
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| 11:30.31 | halt | impaktor: I have a relatively big knowledge with debian I'm maintaining more then 400 of them but as main OS I still use Windows, I did not found a way in the middle since i change to 64bit the coLinux is not supported anymore so now i'm searching the golden middle way |
| 11:30.35 | babilen | Duality: I would have adviced to install wheezy back then too, but meh. You know your options now :) |
| 11:31.32 | Duality | babilen: I was adviced squeeze by a friend .. :) |
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| 11:31.53 | babilen | Duality: I mean if this is your personal machine you probably want newer versions of a bunch of packages anyway. I simply don't see the point of installing all of those from backports these days. |
| 11:32.03 | Duality | any way thanks for helping me out :)! |
| 11:32.55 | babilen | Duality: It is typically a /very good/ idea to use stable, but we are that close to a release right now that this doesn't necessarily hold true anymore. |
| 11:33.18 | apm1 | yes 57 bugs to go |
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| 11:33.34 | babilen | is evil and files a new one |
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| 11:34.48 | Duality | nice |
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| 11:34.54 | apm1 | babilen, were you there at LUNY talk that stefano gave ? |
| 11:35.07 | babilen | no |
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| 11:35.47 | apm1 | babilen, i hear sid crashed onstage :X |
| 11:36.05 | babilen | haha |
| 11:36.22 | babilen | but more tales of interest in #debian-offtopic ;) |
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| 11:38.27 | dzan | hi, I need a wheezy armhf userspace img but I can't find where to download such, anyone knows? |
| 11:38.56 | dzan | I use the latest kernel ( linus git repo ) and run it on an arm A15 model simulator |
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| 11:40.59 | babilen | dzan: http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ ← installer / packages are on the mirrors (as always) |
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| 11:41.45 | dzan | babilen, yeah I guess I don't really understand what it is I need, if I just get the debian installer it has a kernel and such right? |
| 11:41.53 | babilen | sure |
| 11:41.58 | dzan | I need the 'filesystem' like a .img file |
| 11:42.02 | babilen | It is Debian with everything that entails. |
| 11:42.09 | babilen | dzan: There is no such thing |
| 11:42.49 | dzan | yeah I know filesystem isn't the right word |
| 11:43.00 | babilen | dzan: You can install Debian according to your wishes and then create a tarball of the filesystem, but what you want is not being offered. You are also not /really/ planning to run Debian, but something that uses Debian components. |
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| 11:43.56 | dzan | babilen, ok guess I have to install somewhere and get the filesystem |
| 11:44.10 | babilen | dzan: Why can't you install pure Debian? |
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| 11:44.35 | dzan | babilen, using the ARM FastModel simulator, you don't install stuff |
| 11:44.51 | dzan | provide a kernel & a image of the mmc |
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| 11:47.03 | babilen | dzan: I see - Well, what you want is not being offered, but you might be able to create such an image without a lot of work. You might also want to ask in #debian-arm for ARM specific help, but note that we will/can only support you if you actually use Debian and not some bastardised Frankendebian. :) |
| 11:47.24 | dzan | I understand :p |
| 11:47.33 | dzan | i'll ask around there, maybe someone knows |
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| 11:48.34 | babilen | dzan: It also wouldn't make sense to offer such an image as there simply isn't "The userspace". This isn't BSD and there is no definition of "the userspace". You might argue that it should include packages with priority essential, but others would argue that those from the standard task should come with it as well. Then: Which users would be setup? Only root? Which password? How would the kernel be configured? |
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| 11:49.20 | babilen | dzan: All these are variables that are being determined during the installation which is why /you/ have to install (or configure/automate that somehow (preseed, puppet, ...)) |
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| 11:49.47 | dzan | yeah I thought it didn't really make sense ( what i asked ) |
| 11:49.54 | dzan | but (sec ) |
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| 11:50.36 | dzan | http://wiki.xen.org/wiki/Xen_ARM_with_Virtualization_Extensions cite: "dom0 userspace |
| 11:50.36 | dzan | The developers are using the armhf port of Debian Wheezy (which is currently the testing release)." |
| 11:51.39 | babilen | dzan: Ubuntu also uses a lot of Debian but is /not/ Debian and so do a lot of other distributions. |
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| 11:52.34 | babilen | dzan: I'd take it to #debian-arm on irc.oftc.net (aka irc.debian.org) as they will most likely have more experience with your platform and/or needs. |
| 11:52.53 | swi | Hello. I'm trying to connect to sybase sql server via odbc with freetds and get SQL Anywhere Error -83: Specified database not found. But on the same time i can connect to it with tsql from freetds. Can someone help me ? |
| 11:53.25 | dzan | babilen, ok thanks! |
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| 11:55.08 | babilen | swi: Sybase has been open sourced and packaged in Debian now? |
| 11:55.25 | swi | babilen: freetds is |
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| 14:09.08 | halt | Hi all, I'm back with my question of multi boot and way in the middle solution question, what do you guys recommend? How can I have a Linux which i can boot in as main OS if i need but access the same staff even if I boot in windows ? |
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| 14:09.39 | halt | untill now i resolved it with wubi and virtualbox but i want to change to debian |
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| 14:10.35 | halt | or maybe or maybe "Linux Mint Debian" |
| 14:11.01 | petn-randall | halt: Linux mint is *not* Debian, btw. |
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| 14:11.37 | halt | petn-randall: there is one version which is based on debian testing http://www.linuxmint.com/download_lmde.php |
| 14:11.41 | petn-randall | halt: If you want a dual boot solution, and you want to exchange data between both OS, I'd have a separate NTFS-Partition that both OS can read and write. |
| 14:11.44 | petn-randall | !based on |
| 14:11.45 | dpkg | Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't and cannot know what changes were made by your distribution (compare http://futurist.se/gldt/). #debian only supports Debian; please respect our choice to volunteer here to help Debian users. Support for other distributions is off-topic on #debian, even if your own distro's channel is clueless or non-existent. |
| 14:12.00 | petn-randall | Oh god, I love this macro |
| 14:12.46 | ledestin | halt: use NAS |
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| 14:13.11 | petn-randall | halt: Based on is "nice". But remember that we can't support you here if you're not running pure Debian, since there are hundreds of Debian spin-offs. And we can't keep track what they do differently. |
| 14:13.21 | halt | petn-randall: this I why i told "maybe" so my main goal is debian |
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| 14:14.26 | halt | if i get the installed method or just a workaround it's enough |
| 14:14.28 | petn-randall | halt: Do you want to keep the transition smoothly, or is it that you still need applications on the Windows side? Or is it games? :) |
| 14:15.16 | halt | ledestin:i have one laptop and what to keep the whole staff in one box but otherwise it can be good |
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| 14:15.58 | petn-randall | halt: Unless it's windows 8, you can simply access the NTFS partition of Windows from Debian. |
| 14:15.59 | halt | petn-randall: I need the CLI and linux staff in Win l |
| 14:16.41 | halt | petn-randall: it's not just about accesing the data, that bit is easy but running them is not trivial |
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| 14:17.18 | jhutchins_wk | halt: Depending on the application, some Windows programs will run under wine or crossover office, and you can run a VM within Debian. |
| 14:18.08 | jhutchins_wk | halt: You can also dual boot, which just means rebooting when you need to switch environments. |
| 14:18.10 | korhojoa | petn-randall: hm? you can't access windows 8-created partitions? |
| 14:18.36 | korhojoa | I've had no issues :/ |
| 14:18.46 | petn-randall | korhojoa: you can, but Windows 8 usually hibernates, and accessing that partition will make Windows corrupt the filesystem after resume. |
| 14:19.04 | korhojoa | that's why you press reboot instead of shut down |
| 14:19.15 | korhojoa | or disable the 'fast boot' |
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| 14:20.19 | petn-randall | korhojoa: sometimes you directly want to boot into Debian, right? Then there's no 'reboot' to do, and disabling fast boot is the only option. |
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| 14:20.50 | petn-randall | korhojoa: it's often overlooked, and can lead to silent corruption, that's why I'm mentioning it here. |
| 14:20.50 | halt | jhutchins_wk: I need it in reverse, becasue i know it for sure there are SW- which not runin gin wine so i want to run the win as main and have the debian as second OS, which is bootable as main in case but |
| 14:20.58 | korhojoa | I don't really turn off my computer, and when I do, I do a 'reboot'. |
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| 14:21.02 | halt | at the same time accasable from win as well |
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| 14:21.57 | petn-randall | halt: I'd use Debian as my main OS, and keep Windows in a Virtualbox virtual machine. That way you can use them at the same time. |
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| 14:22.45 | korhojoa | I usually run linux in a vm instead of the other way round |
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| 14:23.34 | korhojoa | I just wish the coLinux group would get up to date and have something that works with newer windows versions. |
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| 14:27.29 | jhutchins_wk | I think people should wean themselves from Windows and use a real OS as their main environment. |
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| 14:27.53 | zykotick9 | jhutchins_wk: that's the real solution to dual-boot issues ;) |
| 14:28.29 | nkuttler | windows was just an interlude for me |
| 14:29.16 | halt | petn-randall: well my win license is not support it but i have to agree this will be the best |
| 14:29.38 | korhojoa | I'd love to use debian as my main os, if I could play my games. Steam is doing pretty good so far though! |
| 14:30.02 | korhojoa | I just wish everyone would stop with the ubuntu circlejerk and make packages for something else too |
| 14:30.27 | halt | korhojoa: it's not about the the windows version, it's the 64bit |
| 14:30.29 | petn-randall | halt: Wait, what license do you have? |
| 14:31.09 | halt | petn-randall: assing to the hardware ( IBM ) |
| 14:31.20 | korhojoa | halt: uhh, doesn't let you? |
| 14:31.38 | petn-randall | halt: What does that mean? |
| 14:31.39 | korhojoa | also, what do you mean about 64-bit |
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| 14:32.10 | korhojoa | thinkcentre's are made by lenovo, ibm versions at most ran xp, which didn't have any kind of checks after first valid oem activation |
| 14:33.31 | halt | petn-randall: this license has no licens number or anyithing, just the lenovo sw can detect the HW and then validate itself so i i move to VM then after a half year at leatest when next time check it it's not gonna work |
| 14:34.01 | petn-randall | halt: Which windows version are you using? |
| 14:34.05 | halt | korhojoa: and then 64bit , that is the main reason why you can't run coLinux on a modern win oS |
| 14:34.08 | halt | 7 |
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| 14:36.11 | frognot | my debootstrap installs dont have any /dev/loop's save for /dev/loop0, which i think the rootfs is mounted on. How can i make more /dev/loop's the debian way ? |
| 14:36.45 | petn-randall | frognot: Why do you need to create more manually? |
| 14:37.04 | frognot | there aren't any. I need them for cryptosetup |
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| 14:37.16 | petn-randall | frognot: you know that mount -o loop will create some for you? |
| 14:37.21 | frognot | cryptsetup* |
| 14:37.26 | frognot | petn-randall: how do I do that ? |
| 14:37.50 | korhojoa | halt: I know about that. heh. I miss it though. |
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| 14:40.56 | petn-randall | frognot: cryptsetup luksOpen /dev/<cryptodevice> <name> && mount /dev/mapper/<name> /mnt/crypt/ |
| 14:41.23 | petn-randall | frognot: ^^ see, no /dev/loopX involved. |
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| 14:42.48 | frognot | no no, i need it for something in the process |
| 14:42.50 | shiin | how do you turn off that terminal bell 'you've got mail' in debian 6? |
| 14:42.59 | frognot | it doesnt matter, i just need them. |
| 14:43.06 | ledestin | shiin: it's bash variable |
| 14:43.34 | frognot | I think i actually might just need them to follow this aes-loop encryption guide |
| 14:43.38 | shiin | ledestin: so bashrc? |
| 14:43.41 | frognot | sorry petn-randall i am getting things confused |
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| 14:44.44 | frognot | but I can assure, that my debootstrap installs are partially bunk until i get this figured out. a system with no /dev/loop 's is not that useful to me |
| 14:45.10 | ledestin | shiin: MAILCHECK |
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| 14:45.24 | ledestin | shiin: which config file depends on your system |
| 14:45.31 | shiin | ledestin: thank you, I just caught it on google |
| 14:46.11 | frognot | soo, looking for deban way to add some /dev/loop devices to a debootstrap install |
| 14:46.21 | petn-randall | frognot: are you sure your guide is current and useful? |
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| 14:47.11 | petn-randall | frognot: Either way, you can find all you need in man losetup(8) |
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| 14:47.54 | frognot | no not really, i understand that aes-loop encryption is deprecated. but i use /dev/loop's for other things as well |
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| 14:48.23 | frognot | you are right, guide is old. But I still wouldlike to get it right. and i need the loop for other things as well. thanks for help |
| 14:48.36 | frognot | well i should say, its for squeeze.... |
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| 14:51.29 | jhutchins_wk | frognot: Are there processes where you specify the actual loop device? |
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| 14:52.56 | petn-randall | frognot: any current tools I use either set them up themselves or don't use them at all. |
| 14:53.32 | petn-randall | frognot: either way, if you want to setup an encrypted filesystem I strongly recommend you to look into LUKS compatible cryptsetup. |
| 14:53.59 | frognot | I use them mostly when making disk images, to build live systems and debootstraps onto |
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| 14:54.17 | frognot | i guess thats the main thing. but also i believe i use them when making certain types of encryption keys |
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| 14:55.34 | frognot | yeah, you are right. I am focusing on luks. I am trying to get a two partition deboostrap install. / and /boot. I think there is nothing to it except for encrypting the / partition before i debootstrap onto it ? |
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| 14:55.55 | frognot | neing that the kernel module will handle most of it? does this sound correct for LUKS ... |
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| 14:55.59 | Armistice | I had apache2.2 installed on my server, I did apt-get --purge remove apache2 and it removed it or so I thought. I then installed apache2.4, and it refused to start because port 80 was in use by apache2.2, so I did service apache2 stop, and then I could start 2.4... so howcome apache2.2 is installed when it says it's not, any ideas what to do? |
| 14:56.06 | frognot | s/neing/being |
| 14:56.16 | bleutyler | Can I get Ubuntu ONe working on my debian machine |
| 14:56.45 | petn-randall | frognot: Right. You also need cryptsetup in your initramfs, which happens automatically when you install it on Debian. |
| 14:57.10 | frognot | ah ok. i htink it is there already. but maybe there are two ( or new ) versions |
| 14:57.13 | halt | Armistice: check the lsof -i :80 |
| 14:57.27 | frognot | I will make sure, thanks petn-randall |
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| 14:58.36 | petn-randall | bleutyler: ubuntu one is not part of Debian, you'd have to build it yourself. |
| 14:58.49 | Armistice | halt will I have apache 2.4 running, and it does list 5 httpds. I started apache2.2 again and it lists two apache2 commands. It is obvious apache2.2 is still installed but how do I remove it... apt-get remove apache2 will say it's not installed so im confused. |
| 14:58.50 | bleutyler | oh dear :( |
| 14:58.58 | bleutyler | Why doesn't it have a freaking web interface |
| 14:59.08 | bleutyler | thank you petn-randall |
| 14:59.45 | halt | Armistice: in dpkg -l | grep apache what do you get the 2.2 or 2.4 |
| 15:00.03 | Armistice | apache 2.2 halt |
| 15:00.44 | halt | then just remove that version with dpkg -P |
| 15:01.03 | Armistice | dpkg: warning: ignoring request to remove apache2.2 which isn't installed. |
| 15:01.03 | dpkg | Armistice: You are person #1 to send an unparseable request |
| 15:01.11 | halt | then check again is there any version installed , if not instal your 2.4 and be happy |
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| 15:01.48 | Armistice | Oooh wait, apache2.2 alone isn't instaleld but there is apache2-doc apache2-mpm prefork etc etc ok i can do it now |
| 15:02.39 | petn-randall | Armistice: so you just remove the apache2 meta package? |
| 15:02.47 | petn-randall | s/remove/removed/ |
| 15:03.23 | Armistice | it appears so. |
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| 15:04.19 | Armistice | ok all good now |
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| 15:04.24 | Armistice | thanks :D |
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| 15:06.52 | Armistice | Ok now how would I create a service for apache2.4, apache2 and httpd are unrecognised services... I can stop/start from /usr/local/apache2/bin/apachectl -k start/top but how would I make a service out of it |
| 15:07.40 | petn-randall | Armistice: why don't you simply install the apache2.4 packages from experimental? |
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| 15:08.28 | peneverde | Hi |
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| 15:08.49 | Armistice | is that another repo? Sorry I'm not exactly an expert here. I installed it from scratch but I think you already assumed that |
| 15:09.07 | petn-randall | Armistice: looks easier to me than to install it by hand and fixing everything up. |
| 15:09.21 | peneverde | Im installing debian for first time,never used it or a distro based on it,i have chosen the netinstall and its installing the base system, but it never asked me for a mirror to download the rest, Im doing a graphical installation |
| 15:09.21 | Armistice | How would I install the experimental repo |
| 15:09.27 | peneverde | but nothing automatically |
| 15:09.29 | petn-randall | Armistice: What release are you currently running? Is there apache 2.4 for testing/production? |
| 15:10.20 | peneverde | ok,it asked right now |
| 15:10.23 | peneverde | sorry |
| 15:10.26 | petn-randall | peneverde: It normally sets up your network interface, then downloads the rest from one of the mirrors. Doesn't that work? |
| 15:10.29 | Armistice | petn-randall: Well, mostly for testing purposes. I have no finished projects so although it'll be live I'll just playing around... if that makes sense. |
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| 15:11.02 | peneverde | petn-randall, no,it asked for my location and its downloading after installing the base install |
| 15:11.15 | petn-randall | Armistice: Either way, you'd have to keep track of security issues yourself. So I don't know if there's a feature in 2.4 that you *really* need that worth the extra work. |
| 15:11.22 | Armistice | apparently fcgi and php-fpm works better with 2.4, not too sure though that is just what i've heard. |
| 15:11.33 | Armistice | One downfall is that .sock files are not supported yet |
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| 15:11.46 | petn-randall | Armistice: fcgi works just fine in 2.2. |
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| 15:12.01 | petn-randall | Armistice: not sure what you mean with .sock files. |
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| 15:13.05 | Armistice | This may make more sense: https://issues.apache.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=54101 |
| 15:13.48 | Armistice | I have a friend who uses 2.4 with a similar setup to what i want, with the exception of .socks, but never the less petn-randall how do I get the experimental repos |
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| 15:19.22 | awktion | izback ~_~; |
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| 15:21.03 | frognot | Armistice: In my opinion it is best to either just get the .deb you need. or to add eperimental entry to /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ and then create an /etc/apt/preferences file that properly pins the packages you want to get from "experimental" |
| 15:21.42 | frognot | you can always search for debian packages online and download the .deb from and official debian.org site. |
| 15:22.07 | Armistice | ok thank you. how do I remove self-installs? |
| 15:22.15 | jhutchins_wk | You really shouldn't be installing experimental packages on a system you intend to use for anything but software testing. |
| 15:23.20 | jhutchins_wk | If it's something you really need, wait for it to drop through to sid and do an ssb. |
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| 15:24.27 | frognot | yeah do what jhutchins_wk said. its best to search sid and wheezy first. most likely what you need will be there. experimental repo does not have a full set pf packages |
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| 15:26.57 | jhutchins_wk | The purpose of experimental is "tell us what's broken in this package'. |
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| 15:30.02 | jelly | .fix jhutchins_wk's quote's |
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| 15:32.25 | OliverJAsh_ | i've got a new debian server and i want to setup znc. can anyone give me any idea of what iptables rules i need? i really struggle with iptables! |
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| 15:37.55 | bw____ | OliverJAsh: default ircd ports in and outgoing? |
| 15:38.23 | OliverJAsh | my znc port is 6983? |
| 15:38.28 | OliverJAsh | bw____: ^ |
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| 15:40.32 | bw_ | OliverJAsh: i map znc's port to 6667 as well :) |
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| 15:40.45 | bw_ | since its basicly an ircd |
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| 15:41.54 | jelly | I use a random port for znc because why would any automatic exploit find it easily |
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| 15:42.07 | jelly | (also, ssl only) |
| 15:42.16 | bw_ | ssl only i wise |
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| 15:42.31 | bw_ | but i disagreed on random ports :) |
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| 15:44.07 | frognot | So if I want my debootstrap install USB to be sort of compatible with all machines, like a liveCD, what files do i need to delete, or make so are not saved to the system? |
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| 15:45.39 | frognot | I guess a better question would be: Are there any files that need to be deleted in order to make it so that the USB will work on all machines? Or will it be fine... |
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| 15:53.52 | cnid | I've a USB bridged drive that refuses to mount properly (details http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=bvd2RGRF ). the drive is perfectly fine, and I can `dd` bytes from it. I'm sure I've just forgotten something obscenely basic here, can anyone give me a little push? |
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| 15:54.44 | fishsponge | hello! our firewall momentarily blocked "apt-get"... it is now unblocked, but I keep getting the following when I run "apt-get update": W: GPG error: http://security.debian.org squeeze/updates Release: The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG AED4B06F473041FA Debian Archive Automatic Signing Key (6.0/squeeze) <ftpmaster@debian.org> |
| 15:54.47 | petn-randall | frognot: experimental is by default already pinned to 1. |
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| 15:54.49 | fishsponge | anyone know what to do to fix it? |
| 15:55.28 | fishsponge | i have reinstalled "debian-archive-keyring", but it has made no difference... |
| 15:55.46 | Iridos | cnid, mkdir /media/mymount; mount /dev/sda1 /media/mymount |
| 15:56.28 | Iridos | cnid, or use pmount to mount as a user or use usbmount or autount or the automounter of Gnome or KDE to automatically mount it when you plug it in... or whatever |
| 15:56.35 | frognot | ah i see, thank you for the clarification. |
| 15:57.00 | petn-randall | fishsponge: the signature is *invalid*. My guess is that your proxy is not updating the files properly. |
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| 15:57.19 | petn-randall | s/the files/the requested files/ |
| 15:57.33 | Iridos | cnid, or add an entry for it to /etc/fstab ... as there's usually more than one stick with possibly different partitions (you have sda1 and sda2), fstab is not really the best solution, thoough |
| 15:57.48 | fishsponge | petn-randall, we don't have a proxy... it all worked fine before the firewall blocked apt-get. while it was blocked I tried to run an "apt-get update", which failed, of course. now the firewall lets everything through i'm getting this error... |
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| 15:58.05 | cnid | Iridos: ah, got it. |
| 15:58.29 | cnid | Iridos: thank you |
| 15:59.04 | fishsponge | petn-randall, I have the "Debian Archive Automatic Signing Key" in "apt-key list", as before... what do i do to fix it? |
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| 16:03.02 | fishsponge | petn-randall, found a solution! rm /var/lib/apt/lists/security.debian.org_dists_squeeze_updates_* |
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| 16:09.16 | faceplant | so i noticed on the debian wiki that it recommends setting ip aliases with a netmask of 255.255.255.0 which is almost surely incorrect since it jacks up the default gateway. what's the proper way of telling someone so they can get that fixed up? |
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| 16:10.24 | petn-randall | fishsponge: I don't know what you exactly did before, but apt-get is normally resilient to intermittent failures. |
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| 16:11.48 | petn-randall | faceplant: Your statement is missing a lot of context. It doesn't make sense the way it stand there. |
| 16:11.51 | Delfyn | i cannot get squeeze's debmirror to download the Contents-$ARCH.gz files from the wheezy repo. I've even added '--include=Contents-i386.gz --include=Contents-amd64.gz' but it still ignores them. Unfortunately, I need to use squeeze's debmirror to do this. My full command line is: debmirror --rsync-options="-aIL --partial --no-motd --chmod=u=rw,go=r,D+x" --i18n --include=".*/Contents-i386.gz" --include=".*/Contents-amd64.gz" --ignore-release-gpg --getconten |
| 16:11.55 | Delfyn | any clues please? |
| 16:12.27 | petn-randall | Delfyn: use http://paste.debian.net, your message got truncated. Also refrain from posting long messages into here. |
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| 16:13.23 | frognot | how could I pass some enviornment variables into my debootstrap install... what file are they stored in globally ? |
| 16:13.27 | faceplant | petn-randall: http://wiki.debian.org/NetworkConfiguration#Multiple_IP_addresses_on_One_Interface |
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| 16:14.03 | Delfyn | petn: thanks, command is at http://paste.debian.net/244851/ |
| 16:14.14 | faceplant | if you look at the configuration for eth0:0 and eth0:1, it has the subnet mask set to the same as the main interface. this is almost certainly wrong, unless the person wants to have traffic come out as eth0:0 or eth0:1 instead of eth0 by default |
| 16:14.27 | faceplant | the subnet mask for ip aliases should almost always bet 255.255.255.255 |
| 16:14.29 | frognot | maybe i will even just pass a shell script to the chroot, and run it once I am in there. but it seems like just exporting enviornment variables to it seems more correct |
| 16:14.36 | faceplant | be* |
| 16:15.01 | Kaurin | hey guys. I'm testing out my repo. Can anyone give me an example of a large package? (that does not need X, and won't pull 300000 X deps) |
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| 16:15.23 | Delfyn | in fact I'm trying to workaround http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=637442 |
| 16:15.32 | petn-randall | faceplant: looks fine to me. Have you tried it and it fails? |
| 16:15.49 | faceplant | it works, but its a common mistake |
| 16:16.00 | faceplant | for example, in that instance the ip of eth0 is 192.168.1.42 |
| 16:16.11 | faceplant | if you use that config, once you bring up eth0:0 or eth0:1 |
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| 16:16.26 | faceplant | your traffic will start being sent as 192.168.1.43 or 192.168.1.44 by default |
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| 16:16.41 | faceplant | which can have lots of weird side-effects, firewall rules break, etc. |
| 16:16.50 | petn-randall | faceplant: if it works, you might have a wrong conception of how it works? |
| 16:17.15 | faceplant | i dont think you understand what i'm saying |
| 16:17.28 | faceplant | if you add those IP aliases, the traffic that is used by default changes |
| 16:17.35 | faceplant | interface* |
| 16:17.45 | faceplant | so if your'e expecting your traffic to contingue go out eth0 |
| 16:17.46 | faceplant | it wont |
| 16:17.59 | faceplant | this is a very common mistake, and i was surprised to see it on the debian wiki |
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| 16:18.21 | faceplant | most people (incorrectly) set the subnet mask of ip aliases to the same as the main interface |
| 16:18.28 | faceplant | and its because of instructions like this |
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| 16:22.23 | petn-randall | faceplant: nope, it won't create an extra routing entry. Maybe you should test it and read up on the subject. |
| 16:22.36 | faceplant | have you ever actually tried it? because i have |
| 16:22.41 | faceplant | your source ip changes |
| 16:22.53 | petn-randall | faceplant: (I just tested it, it doesn't create extra routing entries for eth0:0) |
| 16:22.58 | faceplant | tcpdump |
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| 16:23.36 | petn-randall | faceplant: tcpdump what? routing tables? |
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| 16:25.02 | Sevet | petn-randall: he's talking about source ip which means routing tables doesn't come into it (unless you have source policy routing) |
| 16:25.05 | Sevet | faceplant: you should probably be using iproute2 nowdays anyway |
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| 16:26.31 | petn-randall | faceplant: oh, oversaw your previous comment, sorry. My source IP didn't change. |
| 16:26.33 | JordiGH | Release is imminent! I can feel it! |
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| 16:30.27 | apm1 | me too JordiGH |
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| 16:31.47 | petn-randall | JordiGH: If you mean that tingling in your head, that's because of too much sugar and caffeine. ;) |
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| 16:32.08 | JordiGH | petn-randall: RC bugs are bearish! Sell, sell, sell! |
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| 16:33.19 | petn-randall | JordiGH: ;) |
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| 16:36.45 | petn-randall | JordiGH: 56 bugs to go as of now. |
| 16:37.09 | JordiGH | Looks like some packages are gonna get dropped from wheezy! |
| 16:38.09 | apm1 | abt 50 will be dropped i reckon |
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| 16:39.23 | Konomi | the package count in debian hurts my head |
| 16:39.26 | JordiGH | My predictions for Q2: wheezy released, RC bugs bullish again, temporarily instability in all markets. |
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| 16:41.06 | petn-randall | fishsponge: This might be the cause? http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=703146 |
| 16:41.15 | jelly | JordiGH: playing it safe ehhhh |
| 16:41.51 | jelly | JordiGH: what about that bitcoin |
| 16:41.54 | faceplant | i figured out the problem |
| 16:42.00 | faceplant | the issue is with auto vs allow-hotplug |
| 16:42.06 | faceplant | if you change the "allow-hotplug" to "auto" |
| 16:42.09 | faceplant | it changes the source ip |
| 16:42.16 | faceplant | if you use "allow-hotplug" it does not |
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| 16:42.34 | petn-randall | JordiGH: You could make millions with short selling RC bugs!! |
| 16:42.51 | faceplant | i just verified it |
| 16:43.11 | petn-randall | faceplant: My guess is that the order they are brought up is relevant. First one to go up is the primary IP address for that interface. |
| 16:43.39 | faceplant | petn-randall: thats exactly what happens. if the 2nd interface comes up after the first (with the same netmask) it becomes the default source IP |
| 16:43.49 | faceplant | which is precisely why you want to use 255.255.255.255 for ip aliases |
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| 16:44.13 | petn-randall | faceplant: it won't make a difference. |
| 16:44.23 | faceplant | what is "it" <-- |
| 16:44.33 | faceplant | it definitely does make a difference, I just tried it |
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| 16:45.21 | petn-randall | faceplant: The netmask is only relevant for the routing tables, and they are only created for eth0. |
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| 16:45.58 | gnat_x | hi folks, what installer arch do i use for an atom processor? |
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| 16:47.27 | faceplant | i friggen give up |
| 16:47.28 | faceplant | i tried. |
| 16:47.37 | faceplant | one day when this buttfucks you, you can deny you learned anything :) |
| 16:47.43 | petn-randall | faceplant: try bringing up eth0, eth0:0 and eth0:1 with different netmask, then observe the netmask. It will only be defined for eth0. |
| 16:48.24 | petn-randall | \/ragequit |
| 16:49.13 | petn-randall | s/observe the netmask/observe the routing table/ |
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| 16:59.38 | darsie | Are there antivirii for Linux? |
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| 17:00.23 | JordiGH | The real question is, s/anti// |
| 17:00.38 | jelly | ,i clamav |
| 17:00.40 | judd | Package clamav (utils, optional) in squeeze/i386: anti-virus utility for Unix - command-line interface. Version: 0.97.6+dfsg-1~squeeze1; Size: 323.9k; Installed: 576k; Homepage: http://www.clamav.net/; Screenshot: http://screenshots.debian.net/package/clamav |
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| 17:01.03 | darsie | My bank told me, I should use the internet only with a current antivirus. |
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| 17:01.22 | JordiGH | darsie: Your OS is your antivirus. |
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| 17:01.34 | darsie | I was about to suggest that to the bank. |
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| 17:02.28 | JordiGH | darsie: If it's a real problem and not just about the lols, you can tell Iceweasel to masquerade as a bank-compatible browser with its user agent switcher extension. |
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| 17:03.40 | darsie | Netbanking works fine with my iceweasel. |
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| 17:03.50 | jelly | I almost wrote something like "only want what's best for you" in the same sentence as "your bank" |
| 17:03.56 | STMelon | darsie: chkrootkit, rkhunter, clamav (i use bitdefender for unices) but generally with linux, viruses are few and far between.. |
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| 17:04.35 | darsie | yeah, I use rkhunter, but I mostly ignore the warnings. |
| 17:04.50 | jelly | STMelon: mostly because the platform is marginally interesting with its low market penetration |
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| 17:05.22 | jelly | darsie: in other words, you enjoy security by obscurity, and you'd better like it! |
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| 17:05.54 | penth | Anyone know why a Lenny->Squeeze upgrade would allow only Failsafe-GNOME logins from the desktop and not regular gnome? Packages are current, /etc/X11 and all dotfiles were recreated for the upgrade. |
| 17:07.10 | darsie | Anything worrying from rkhunter? http://paste.debian.net/244870/ |
| 17:07.15 | petn-randall | jelly: Well, also because every distro comes with different version of the same software, which reduces the possible amount of targets, too. |
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| 17:09.05 | STMelon | true that jelly, plus all the different distro's make it abit .. complicated to write a virus that works for all gnu/linux distros |
| 17:09.07 | petn-randall | penth: You don't have HW acceleration? Check it with 'glxinfo |grep direct', if it says 'yes', you should be able to use gnome (non-failsafe) |
| 17:09.39 | penth | ah, that could be an issue; This is an old 486 machine. Thanks |
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| 17:10.47 | penth | Nvidia GeForce 6800 card iirc, though, so he should have at least some unable libraries |
| 17:10.48 | zykotick9 | petn-randall: re penth fail safe gnome2? gnome2 should require 3d? (for compiz sure) |
| 17:11.03 | zykotick9 | s/should/shouldn't/ |
| 17:11.04 | petn-randall | penth: Wow. Oldie but goldie :) |
| 17:11.17 | petn-randall | zykotick9: we're talking aboutu gnome 3. |
| 17:11.27 | zykotick9 | petn-randall: on squeeze? |
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| 17:13.36 | penth | Yeah, the client is a retired engineer with a lot of old equipment. He has no problem emotionally with running gnome-failsafe, but is annoyed by having to select it every time from the session menu. |
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| 17:14.38 | zykotick9 | penth: "penth> Anyone know why a Lenny->Squeeze" is this really wheezy? |
| 17:14.56 | penth | No, it's squeeze. Gnome 2.2 |
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| 17:15.08 | jelly | penth: how much RAM? |
| 17:15.13 | zykotick9 | penth: ok. just checking. |
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| 17:15.39 | penth | Good Q. I think he has 4G, but I'll ask him to send me the lshw/hwinfo output |
| 17:16.03 | jelly | on a 486?? |
| 17:16.10 | jelly | blinks |
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| 17:16.33 | raptor67682 | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:17.04 | raptor67682 | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:17.09 | raptor67682 | would you know |
| 17:17.15 | raptor67682 | how to avoid iconv ? |
| 17:17.24 | raptor67682 | my problem is accents |
| 17:17.35 | raptor67682 | I would like that "less" handle it itself |
| 17:17.46 | raptor67682 | my problem is accents |
| 17:17.56 | penth | Sorry, brain fart. I have my own emotional issues delaing wiht old HW :) |
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| 17:19.12 | jelly | avoids the triggers |
| 17:19.26 | raptor67682 | any ideas? |
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| 17:21.50 | penth | Raptor, how about "LANG=fr_FR.UTF-8 less" |
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| 17:24.53 | raptor67682 | thanks |
| 17:24.57 | raptor67682 | I found aösp |
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| 17:25.06 | raptor67682 | ESSCHARSET=latin1 less file.txt |
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| 17:25.12 | raptor67682 | L ESSCHARSET=latin1 |
| 17:25.33 | raptor67682 | thsank u very mouch |
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| 17:25.54 | raptor67682 | lesscharset works fine ... i will try and keep p0sted |
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| 17:37.03 | Intensity | Hi. I'm trying to get "socat" to forward a serial device. It's presented on the remote side just fine, but after a few bytes are transferred, both sides exit with status 0. I'm wondering if there is a good place I can ask this question, since there is no #socat. The receiving command for example is: socat -v PTY,link=/dev/vmodem0,raw,echo=0,wait-slave TCP4:127.0.0.1:$PORT |
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| 17:38.03 | peneverde | have a stupid question, i installed a virtual machine with qemu,its running and working...but,how can I access to it? |
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| 17:38.10 | peneverde | (console mode) |
| 17:38.16 | terminal | Hi,anyone good with terminal? |
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| 17:39.12 | darsie | terminal: Ask your real question. |
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| 17:39.25 | terminal | darsie: may I pm you? |
| 17:39.28 | darsie | no |
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| 17:39.39 | terminal | Aw, that was my real question. :/ |
| 17:39.55 | darsie | So, if I say yes, you're fine? |
| 17:40.05 | terminal | yes. |
| 17:40.13 | darsie | k. yes. |
| 17:40.15 | jhutchins_wk | terminal: The way this works is you post the details of your problem/question here, and if somebody has an idea they can contribute. |
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| 17:44.41 | terminal | ok, I just have allot of terminal questions, am abit of a knob. Like.. is there a way to go back more than two folders WITHOUT having to type the entire path all over again ? ( dot dot -> goes back 2 folders i think) |
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| 17:45.56 | raptor67682 | got it !!! |
| 17:46.05 | raptor67682 | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:46.12 | frognot | terminal: use the tab button to autocomplete long file names |
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| 17:46.24 | raptor67682 | LESSCHARSET=utf-8 less file.txt <------------------- WORKKK !!! all the time |
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| 17:46.36 | frognot | and ../../../ would move back three folders, for example |
| 17:46.39 | raptor67682 | [solved] |
| 17:47.11 | raptor67682 | thx debian |
| 17:47.16 | raptor67682 | long live to debian |
| 17:47.44 | raptor67682 | let debian live till Eearth exists (not so long, one day or another earth will vanish) |
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| 17:48.38 | terminal | and if what you're using, TAB does not auto-complete? :S ( I am using PuTTy, all tab does there is literally make spaces like a word editor..) |
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| 17:49.20 | terminal | oh |
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| 17:49.36 | terminal | .../../../ <- got it.. |
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| 17:50.23 | socomm | terminal: ? |
| 17:50.31 | terminal | frognot: but then what would ./././ do ? |
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| 17:51.01 | frognot | terminal: well putty just sucks sometimes. but auto complete should work |
| 17:51.12 | terminal | ye, i agree |
| 17:51.19 | frognot | here is a virtual busybox machine http://www.busybox.net/live_bbox/live_bbox.html |
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| 17:51.36 | terminal | and backspace for delete is not working for me aswell.. everything is messed up :S |
| 17:51.48 | frognot | it uses something called the ash shell, its a bit different. but you can eplore a real system this way through the site i posted |
| 17:52.10 | frognot | hmm, sounds like your putty setting are screwy. it shouldnt be that bad |
| 17:52.10 | phy1729 | terminal: same directory . is itself .. is it's parent |
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| 17:52.50 | frognot | yes if you do a "ls -la" you will see there is a . and a .. in every directory. its a relative reference point |
| 17:52.57 | terminal | yeah, I was using Bellard's Javascript Emu before, pretty awesome but pico wasn't working for me, only emac and vi i think, and I needed pico editor. |
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| 17:55.20 | terminal | And what does relative pathname mean? I think I know but just to be sure.. relative - does not start with "/" , absolute - always starts with "/" ? |
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| 17:58.21 | terminal | Is there a way to like a command for terminal to check what shell you're using? (Like I don't even know if I am using C or Korn or Bourne, etc..) |
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| 17:58.25 | nkuttler | terminal: yes |
| 17:58.32 | nkuttler | terminal: echo $SHELL |
| 17:59.02 | terminal | ah thanks |
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| 18:00.49 | sparr | I have a hard drive with Debian installed on it. I want to make a backup of that drive so I can replicate its current state at a future date. I will make changes to the drive, and then make another backup, for the same purpose. I would like for those backups to be incremental. What software would you recommend to manage this process? |
| 18:02.02 | terminal | suppose like it still doesn't say...(well it does - just gives some random name) but its not one of those 3 (C/Bourne/Korn) and I was under the impression there is only like 3 main shells or a few.. are the certain commands which would only work on one? Is there a way to test? Or are there like a million different shell configurations? |
| 18:02.46 | jhutchins_wk | sparr: Might want to look at rdiff backup. |
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| 18:03.14 | jhutchins_wk | sparr: Clonezilla might have a diff feature but not sure. |
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| 18:06.36 | jalalsfs | Every time I open Empathy in Debian it said "This connection is untrusted. Would you like to continue anyway?" |
| 18:06.51 | jalalsfs | What can I do for it? |
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| 18:07.38 | pmo | i would advice to install pidgin, but then again thats just me |
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| 18:08.00 | pmo | but it means that there in an untrusted connection between you and the IM server |
| 18:08.14 | pmo | like if a SSL cert isent signed by a trusted party |
| 18:08.26 | pmo | or if you are on ssl and some parts are not |
| 18:09.17 | mastro | my laptop is recently randomly freezing itself, I have to hard-shutdown (long press on the power button) and restart it.. Afterward I checks into logs... but can't find anything suspicious in there, any suggestion on how to debug the issue? |
| 18:09.27 | terminal | Is there a way in PuTTy, to config it so that when you login/shh to server, it automatically runs a command in the shell/terminal? |
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| 18:10.04 | pmo | is it amd mastro ? |
| 18:10.30 | jelly-home | terminal: Connection -> SSH -> Remote command |
| 18:10.47 | pmo | Kitty is better than putty btw |
| 18:10.48 | terminal | ty |
| 18:10.53 | pmo | also kitty is based on putty |
| 18:11.10 | mastro | pmo, intel |
| 18:11.33 | pmo | ah not hard to fix if it is what i think |
| 18:11.39 | pmo | try clean the laptop for dust |
| 18:11.40 | jelly-home | terminal: or do you want the shell to remain open after the command runs its course |
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| 18:11.50 | pmo | some use air in a can others use a vacium cleaner |
| 18:12.18 | terminal | jelly-home: I want it to remain open for its course |
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| 18:12.25 | pmo | when amd it seems to be fixed if you put new cooler paste in it |
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| 18:13.01 | jelly-home | terminal: that's the default. When the command ends, so will the ssh connection. |
| 18:13.07 | terminal | I don't suppose there is a way to auto password authenticate either? read the Putty FAQ.. said that would defeat the purpose and no longer be secure xd |
| 18:13.19 | jelly-home | terminal: no. use key-based auth. |
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| 18:13.45 | pmo | if you use kitty instead of putty you dont need to ask :P |
| 18:13.49 | needle | terminal: edit your .bash_profile to start commands on login |
| 18:14.00 | pmo | in connection you can set a null packet |
| 18:14.07 | pmo | so you keep being active |
| 18:14.09 | terminal | needle: but how? :S |
| 18:14.29 | needle | terminal: with an editor |
| 18:14.37 | mastro | pmade, are you talking to me about the dust? |
| 18:14.38 | terminal | ok |
| 18:14.41 | mastro | ups pmo ^ |
| 18:14.45 | mastro | pmade, sorry |
| 18:14.51 | needle | terminal: nano /root/.bash_profile |
| 18:14.53 | jelly-home | terminal: it's possible you'll get more help with windows utilities in ##windows channel |
| 18:14.56 | pmo | yes mastro :) |
| 18:15.13 | jelly-home | so ask putty or kitty questions there |
| 18:15.14 | mastro | pmo, I don't think it has something to do with temperature |
| 18:15.17 | pmo | also terminal atleast look into kitty |
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| 18:15.38 | jelly-home | has to open putty on Linux to look at the options |
| 18:15.40 | pmo | try run a livecd then and see if it happens there mastro |
| 18:15.41 | jelly-home | ,v putty |
| 18:15.43 | judd | Package: putty on i386 -- squeeze: 0.60+2010-02-20-1; wheezy: 0.62-9; sid: 0.62-10 |
| 18:15.45 | mastro | pmo, I keep it monitored and the temperature doesn't cause that :) |
| 18:15.55 | pmo | livecd |
| 18:15.59 | needle | terminal: adding new commands to .bash_profile will only affect your current user profile, not the host |
| 18:16.01 | terminal | I doubt that.. most people in windows aren't CLI ppl.. they're all here :p .. and most of my questions regard unix commands anyway..(...few exceptions) |
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| 18:16.29 | pmo | terminal, http://www.9bis.net/kitty/ |
| 18:16.32 | terminal | pmo: yeah, looks good, am just using it now because well its the "standard" it seems or most popular |
| 18:16.44 | terminal | PuTTY - I mean* |
| 18:16.47 | mastro | pmo, I can't do that. The issue doesn't happen so often. For instance: it happened to me today at 18:06 (more or less) I was logged in and working from yesterday night. I used it all day |
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| 18:16.50 | zlude | After run modprobe megaraid_sas i go to DMESG and i see it: disagrees about version of symbol module_layout Any ideas? |
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| 18:17.01 | mastro | pmo, which means I could have to wait ages before this happening again |
| 18:17.11 | pmo | try put it under load then |
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| 18:17.40 | jalalsfs | Every time when I open Empathy it said that : This connection is untrusted. Would you like to continue anyway? |
| 18:17.40 | jalalsfs | The identity provided by the chat server cannot be verified. |
| 18:18.01 | jalalsfs | For all the message : https://paste.debian.net/244905/ |
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| 18:18.06 | pmo | if its linux itself you would be able to look it up.. if not, in most cases its hardware |
| 18:19.11 | terminal | pmo: I am using this: http://www.scrc.umanitoba.ca/doc/tutorial/T19_3a_xmingputty.htm (mainly cuz its portable and has xming bundled with it which I need) |
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| 18:20.33 | pmo | terminal, easy to make yourself ;) |
| 18:20.58 | Mogget | I have a nvidia card in my machine which is causing all kinds of trouble. Is the nouveau driver the only one that works with nvidia and also support multi monitor setup in wheezy? |
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| 18:21.32 | terminal | probably, but as I said earlier, I am a noob at this stuff, just learning basic shell stuff for now.. will get to shell scripting/programming later on |
| 18:21.58 | petn-randall | Mogget: there is one single open-source driver out there, nouveau. You could try the closed-source nvidia driver, but it my experience it causes more problems than it solves. |
| 18:22.04 | petn-randall | s/it/in/ |
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| 18:22.59 | Mogget | petn-randall: I tried both the closed and nouveau driver and they are both causing interrupt problems because MSI is dissabled for some reason. I tried enabling nv, but it seems that has been removed in Wheexy. |
| 18:23.38 | jhutchins_wk | !nvidia |
| 18:23.39 | dpkg | http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers . Ask me about <nouveau> (open source driver) or <nvidia dkms> (proprietary driver). For GPUs made before 2004, ask me about <nvidia legacy>. Installing directly from nvidia.com (i.e. with <nvidia-installer>) is _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia on irc.freenode.net. |
| 18:23.42 | petn-randall | Mogget: you maybe want xserver-xorg-video-nouveau? |
| 18:24.09 | terminal | needle: The shell I am using does not have nano editor only pico, so I used: pico /root/.bash_profile. I guess I just type the command that I want to auto-run here? How do I save? |
| 18:24.24 | sparr | jhutchins_wk: rdiff-backup seems to be a good option |
| 18:24.33 | petn-randall | Mogget: Oh wait, you tried that. As I said, there is only one driver for the card. |
| 18:24.39 | jhutchins_wk | terminal: shells don't have nano, or pico, or vi(m). Those are external programs. |
| 18:24.49 | sparr | I'm sad to not be able to use git. Merging changes from multiple versions of the filesystem is going to be a chore with a naive backup solution |
| 18:24.59 | needle | terminal: I am not familiar with pico howto save, I use vim only so there it is :wq |
| 18:25.02 | terminal | oh, the external unix server I am connected to then, yup you're right. |
| 18:25.29 | Mogget | petn-randall: It's the one I am running now. I realise this is not a driver problem. This is why I am looking for more generic drivers that support multimonitor setup. |
| 18:25.52 | jhutchins_wk | terminal: I think it's a good idea to learn basic vi. |
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| 18:26.13 | jhutchins_wk | terminal: You'll almost always have it on any *nix, and it works in a very minimal environment. |
| 18:26.41 | petn-randall | Mogget: So what exactly is the problem? Multi-monitor doesn't work? |
| 18:26.59 | jhutchins_wk | terminal: It also doesn't require any special characters or function keys, and drawing the graphics for pico and nano can mess up on a remote connection. |
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| 18:27.48 | needle | terminal: use vim, it is definitely the best idea. however you could also use a ncurses editor like mcedit |
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| 18:27.58 | needle | mcedit save is F2 i think |
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| 18:28.25 | Mogget | petn-randall: At somewhat random intervall the kernel will disable interrupt for the graphics card because to devices in the machine is sharing the same interrupt code. This makes the machine so slow that it becomes unusable. There is tons on this stuff on google, but no sollution because Nvidia does not want to help. |
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| 18:29.08 | Mogget | petn-randall: The earliest I can find on this is from 2009 and its on all distros and kernels. |
| 18:29.10 | Waxhead | Is smbtree removed form samba or samba-tools ? I can't find it in wheezy. |
| 18:29.54 | greycat | Waxhead: http://packages.debian.org/search?searchon=contents&keywords=smbtree&mode=exactfilename&suite=testing&arch=any |
| 18:30.09 | terminal | vi is hard to use :p |
| 18:30.10 | petn-randall | Mogget: Switching PCI(Express) slots might help. |
| 18:30.23 | Waxhead | greycat: hey thanks :) |
| 18:30.24 | terminal | but true, it does seem to be on about every system. |
| 18:30.31 | KsM | 14:27.44 < needle> terminal: use vim, it is definitely the best idea. however you could also use a ncurses editor like mcedit |
| 18:30.39 | KsM | I think nano comes with debian by default |
| 18:30.53 | KsM | and it seemse to be most "user friendly" |
| 18:31.08 | greycat | Learning the very basic commands of vi (how to make simple changes, save and exit) would be a useful thing even if you don't enjoy it. |
| 18:31.43 | KsM | yeah but why not learn ed? |
| 18:32.07 | greycat | vi is more commonly installed than ed these days, honestly |
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| 18:32.18 | Mogget | petn-randall: Yeah, I will check if I have one extra. But chances are that it will start sharing irq with something else. Hopefully it wont. |
| 18:32.20 | KsM | vi didn't even come with my debian netinstall |
| 18:32.22 | KsM | there was nano though |
| 18:33.06 | jelly-home | KsM: are you sure? I thought vim-tiny was part of the base system. |
| 18:33.08 | greycat | (Learning ed would also be a good idea, just in case.) |
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| 18:33.39 | jhutchins_wk | Mogget: Disable irq sharing in the BIOS. |
| 18:33.41 | Waxhead | unless you want your editor to plan your coffe break, write handcrafted assembly for you and pet the cat at the same time nano is probably a sane choise for most editing needs :) |
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| 18:33.52 | KsM | jelly-home: I was pretty sure being a little surprised that I had no vi with the barebones net install |
| 18:34.19 | Mogget | jhutchins_wk: I can do that? Cool, be right back. |
| 18:34.23 | jelly-home | perhaps it didn't set up an /usr/bin/vi alternative |
| 18:34.27 | KsM | I noticed that by default, debian seems to choose nano over vi too, things like visudo and such |
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| 18:34.34 | jhutchins_wk | edlin ftw! |
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| 18:34.53 | jelly-home | !start an editor war |
| 18:34.53 | dpkg | "cat >" blows. |
| 18:35.13 | greycat | KsM: that's just the default choice, configurable with "update-alternatives --config editor" |
| 18:35.13 | KsM | :> |
| 18:35.53 | KsM | greycat: yes, I changed it, just saying that nano seems to be the preffered choice on debian nowadays, even on other distros, nano seems to be preffered over vi now |
| 18:36.03 | needle | I have no clue how pico/nano/micro or any other editor works |
| 18:36.08 | needle | end of discussionö. |
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| 18:36.20 | needle | only know vim and mcedit. |
| 18:36.22 | KsM | needle: nano literally has the commands to use on the bottom two rows |
| 18:36.23 | greycat | Discussions never end. |
| 18:36.56 | KsM | (to be honest, the only nano command I ever remember is ^X to exit) |
| 18:37.07 | greycat | That's a good one. :) |
| 18:37.45 | KsM | ((I don't actually ever use nano, I use vim, I was just saying that nano appears to be more common now)) |
| 18:38.01 | jelly-home | hmm |
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| 18:38.32 | jelly-home | ,popcon nano |
| 18:38.33 | judd | Popcon data for nano: inst: 131464, vote: 28744, old: 91579, recent: 11098, nofiles: 43 |
| 18:38.38 | jelly-home | ,popcon vim |
| 18:38.39 | judd | Popcon data for vim: inst: 55452, vote: 22906, old: 27676, recent: 4855, nofiles: 15 |
| 18:39.00 | greycat | ,popcon emacs |
| 18:39.02 | judd | Popcon data for emacs: inst: 13205, vote: 1, old: 2, recent: 0, nofiles: 13202 |
| 18:39.18 | jelly-home | greycat: yeah, but what about the xemacs heretics |
| 18:39.27 | KsM | ,popcon ed |
| 18:39.29 | judd | Popcon data for ed: inst: 60132, vote: 7891, old: 49768, recent: 2452, nofiles: 21 |
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| 18:39.33 | KsM | heh |
| 18:39.33 | jelly-home | pfft |
| 18:39.46 | jelly-home | ,popcon joe |
| 18:39.48 | stew | also note that emacs could be installed from emacs2_ or emacs-snapshot packages |
| 18:39.48 | judd | Popcon data for joe: inst: 6892, vote: 1994, old: 4705, recent: 191, nofiles: 2 |
| 18:39.57 | KsM | oh joe |
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| 18:40.04 | jelly-home | still uses joe |
| 18:40.06 | greycat | I haven't seen joe in a while. |
| 18:40.38 | darsie | is it ok to ALLOWHIDDENDIR=/dev/.initramfs in rkhunter? |
| 18:40.54 | darsie | it's empty. |
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| 18:41.23 | darsie | Or could a rootkit then hide there and not be found by rkhunter? |
| 18:41.41 | stew | has rkhunter actaully ever found anything besides false positives? |
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| 18:41.52 | darsie | dunno |
| 18:42.09 | jelly-home | stew: sure, just not rootkits |
| 18:42.37 | darsie | unnecessarily open port/services. |
| 18:43.00 | jelly-home | but accidental installations by a coadmin, or files tampered by some other activity, sure |
| 18:43.02 | petn-randall | jelly-home: vim-tiny is only available as "vim.tiny". There's no redirection from vim :/ |
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| 18:43.56 | KsM | that might have been why I didn't see vi, I didn't have tab completion or anything set up either at the time |
| 18:44.12 | greycat | It ought to be triggerable by "vi" even if it's not by "vim". |
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| 18:44.14 | darsie | How can I find out if /dev/.initramfs is ok to whitelist in rkhunter? |
| 18:44.23 | needle | vim is the editor, vi is deprecated afaik |
| 18:45.03 | petn-randall | darsie: "Thinking"? |
| 18:45.22 | needle | KsM: that's true nano is the default editor on popular linux flavours. also for gentoo f.e. |
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| 18:45.40 | petn-randall | darsie: If you whitelist a dir, it will be ignored, and of course a rootkit could come by and hide there. |
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| 18:46.03 | jhutchins_wk | I'ave had rkhunter find a rootkit on a system I knew was rooted. |
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| 18:46.57 | jhutchins_wk | (Unsecured ftp server MANY years ago.) |
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| 18:48.07 | darsie | Hmm, maybe I'll just disable warnings. |
| 18:48.16 | terminal | ok well, I finally figured out how to save in pico.. but I am not sure how it'd know to run this command, all this is is a saved text file? |
| 18:48.32 | terminal | auto run* |
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| 18:49.04 | greycat | I don't know how this rkhunter thing works, but it sounds to me like you need to fix it so it searches in /dev/.initramfs but doesn't indicate the mere *presence* of that directory as a problem. |
| 18:49.43 | needle | terminal: if you added your command to /.bash_profile it should auto-run on next login as "this" user. |
| 18:50.09 | terminal | ok, i will try and test this then, gonna disconnect/reconnect |
| 18:50.14 | greycat | Assuming you login on a text console or with ssh. |
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| 18:50.24 | terminal | ssh :) |
| 18:50.37 | greycat | OK, then ~/.bash_profile should be correct. |
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| 18:51.55 | jelly-home | greycat: you have a dot-dir in an unusual-for-1996 place! SUSPICIOUS |
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| 18:53.11 | jelly-home | also: this "radiusd" thing LISTENS on port 1812! NOONE uses port 1812 except that one rootkit a decade ago! SUSPICIOUS |
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| 18:53.40 | terminal | hmm, it its not working i think i screwed up somewhere.. |
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| 18:58.39 | needle | jelly-home: grep -i radius /etc/services |
| 18:59.09 | greycat | needle: he was being sarcastic. |
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| 18:59.33 | greycat | Apparently rkhunter is badly out of date and reports radius as a false positive. If I understood him. |
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| 19:00.36 | needle | ah, it's hard to recognize sarcastic mode in IRC greycat :) thanks. |
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| 19:04.29 | nutron | Sorry, I can't remember but what is the channel to discuss the installer and is it on here or on OFTC? |
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| 19:06.43 | terminal | ok.. seriously, how do you delete in terminal? every time I backspace I get ^?^?^?^?^?^? and its annoying, I end up having to do Ctrl+C makes new line I think (goes back to - %) Closest thing to delete on this I can find is the left arrow key. It does seem to delete but also creates wierd "^[" is that normal for deleting in unix? |
| 19:07.11 | greycat | Use Ctrl-H for the moment, and as soon as you can, type "stty erase ^h" at the shell prompt. |
| 19:07.19 | greycat | err... wait. |
| 19:07.22 | greycat | Use Ctrl-H for the moment, and as soon as you can, type "stty erase ^?" at the shell prompt. |
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| 19:07.53 | terminal | Ah, Ctrl-H works! :) thanks. |
| 19:08.13 | greycat | see also http://wooledge.org/~greg/%5EH.html |
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| 19:08.45 | terminal | and after doing stty erase ^H, fixed my backspace key, awesome. |
| 19:08.53 | greycat | Your local terminal is sending DEL (^?) but your remote host is expecting BS (^H) so you just need to get them in sync. |
| 19:08.54 | terminal | er, ^?* |
| 19:09.12 | greycat | "stty erase ^?" tells the remote host to expect ^? instead of ^H |
| 19:09.13 | petn-randall | We still have mistakes like that in 2013? |
| 19:09.17 | greycat | We do. |
| 19:09.29 | petn-randall | terminal: What ssh client are you using? |
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| 19:10.06 | greycat | Linus Torvalds is personally responsible for some of it. He insisted that Linux's built-in terminal should use ^? instead of ^H which almost everyone else has tried to move to. |
| 19:10.34 | terminal | petn-randall: PuTTy |
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| 19:10.45 | greycat | I believe there was even some snafu about changing XFree86 (which was current at the time) to use ^? in appropriately. |
| 19:10.58 | JordiGH | Linux has a terminal? |
| 19:11.09 | greycat | Yes. The terminal emulator that you use when you login on the text console. |
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| 19:11.28 | JordiGH | Oh, that. |
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| 19:12.54 | WU1337EL | Hey guys does anyone of u know if linux has something like Virtual Memory Management as known from Windows ... on 32bit Windows allocates one half to programms and another half for system stuff and it can be set to 3 GB for programms and 1 GB for system through a special flag ... how does linux manage its RAM ? or does it depend on what derivat someone is using ? |
| 19:13.24 | greycat | Linux uses virtual memory (paging) if you create a paging partition or file on disk. |
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| 19:13.58 | KsM | and there's also zram, which can compress stuff in memory and so it feels like you have a bit more |
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| 19:14.46 | terminal | And another thing I am abit confused of.. is.. Unix uses the X11 / X server windowing system right? But what is the equivalent on windows? win32api? DirectX ? Aero? :s |
| 19:14.51 | greycat | (It's also called "swap file" or "swap partition" and the commands to manage it have "swap" in their names, but technically it is paging, not swapping.) |
| 19:14.52 | JosefAssad | hi. I just got testing installed. If I want to stay on testing forever, do I just change the instances of 'wheezy' to 'testing' in /etc/apt/sources.list and never think about it again? |
| 19:15.48 | WU1337EL | but does linux take some part of the system ram for itself going by the term "reserved for system" or could i manipulate the amount the system has to use ? |
| 19:16.16 | greycat | Some small amount of memory is used by the kernel itself, but the rest is dynamically allocated to hold data (files, disk cache) or programs as needed. |
| 19:16.33 | greycat | You don't need to manage it closely. You just give it however much paging space you want, and let it go. |
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| 19:17.27 | terminal | its wierd how in unix for gui.. x is talked about but in windows.. no one talks about x or anything, its windows gui, windows is the gui. :x but i get how unix - terminal and windows - command prompt are similar. |
| 19:17.44 | WU1337EL | great :) is there a max to the kernel taking away RAM ? Sorry for asking u that kinda stuff but i couldnt find a clear answer to that questions :) |
| 19:17.55 | greycat | I don't think I can competently explain X vs. Microsoft Windows at this time. :-/ |
| 19:18.18 | terminal | :) |
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| 19:20.15 | KsM | WU1337EL: I think the kernel takes up less than about 2mb ram |
| 19:20.17 | greycat | Suffice to say... it's very complicated. |
| 19:20.28 | WU1337EL | @terminal all i can say is that Microsoft Windows is not without gui and has no server for itself so its kinda hard implemented ... for linux the x is just a server but there is no need for it if u dont want to |
| 19:20.34 | KsM | it doesn't really get bigger |
| 19:20.50 | WU1337EL | i dont think u can compare both in anyway ^ |
| 19:21.11 | greycat | KsM: it's more than 2 MB. You can check dmesg for exact values. |
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| 19:21.16 | terminal | greycat: what do i do if i want to auto complete a really long name for a file within a directory i am in.. but tab doesn't autocomplete? |
| 19:21.30 | greycat | [ 0.000000] Memory: 3921888k/4700160k available (3420k kernel code, 633972k absent, 144300k reserved, 3318k data, 576k init) |
| 19:21.38 | terminal | or what should i do.. |
| 19:21.47 | KsM | my dmesg doesn't go as far back as 0.000000000 |
| 19:21.49 | peterrooney | terminal: . /etc/bash_completion |
| 19:22.15 | greycat | KsM: /var/log/dmesg may have it |
| 19:22.32 | petn-randall | WU1337EL: Generally, you want to leave the memory management to the kernel. Remember though that cached data shows up as "used" memory in Linux, I think Windows hides that fact. |
| 19:22.36 | terminal | peterrooney: not found |
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| 19:22.42 | KsM | I think there's -s to set how far back you want to go in dmesg? not sure |
| 19:22.55 | petn-randall | KsM: /var/log/kern.log |
| 19:23.30 | peterrooney | terminal: you may have to install bash-completion. |
| 19:23.40 | terminal | peterrooney: I think I should of said I am not connected to a debian system, but a SunOS system. But since SunOS has 0 people in it and this is all Unix-like anyway and there is no Unix channel either .. thought I'd ask here |
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| 19:24.05 | greycat | You do not need bash-completion to tab-complete a file name. If tab completing a file name is not working, either you are not in bash, or you are not typing the first characters of the file name correctly. (The actual file name may have junk in it.) |
| 19:24.13 | KsM | [ 0.000000] Memory: 3783004k/4849664k available (3460k kernel code, 929328k absent, 137332k reserved, 3154k data, 480k init) |
| 19:24.21 | terminal | I think I am not in bash. |
| 19:24.32 | peterrooney | You would have done better to explain such initially. however, if there's #solaris, they may have some greybeards that remember |
| 19:24.39 | greycat | terminal: that sounds very likely, since you shouldn't have seen the ^?^?^? thing in bash. |
| 19:24.43 | Mogget | jhutchins_wk: FYI. It seems on newer consumer motherboards the option to turn on and of irq settings is becomming less common. But thank you for the suggestion. |
| 19:24.48 | terminal | greycat: aye |
| 19:24.56 | greycat | Bash is one of the shells that allows both ^H and ^? for erase. |
| 19:25.00 | peterrooney | terminal: also, I have seen bash working on SunOS |
| 19:25.14 | greycat | Bash can be installed on SunOS, but may not be installed on any particular SunOS machine. |
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| 19:25.29 | greycat | It's not part of the basic operating system on SunOS. |
| 19:25.36 | terminal | hm |
| 19:25.54 | peterrooney | greycat: oh god no, the default was csh, IIRC. |
| 19:25.59 | greycat | (This would also explain why ~/.bash_profile didn't work for you.) |
| 19:26.14 | peterrooney | is trying to suppress a pain behind left eye |
| 19:26.15 | WU1337EL | @petn-randall ok i dont want to destroy my kernel anyway :D but just to compare how both, windows and linux, are different from each other but that "used" fact sounds legal somehow ... that could also be the reason why windows uses its swap so hard , i mean 2.2 GB of 8.0GB in use and swap is like 2.4GB |
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| 19:26.49 | terminal | so if i am connected using putty to machine which is on the basic operating system of sunOS, there is no way to auto-complete? :P |
| 19:27.07 | terminal | peterrooney: possibly.. csh..:S i don't really know |
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| 19:27.36 | greycat | terminal: you can try typing "bash" to see if it's installed |
| 19:27.37 | peterrooney | terminal: it depends entirely on what's available on that system. |
| 19:28.06 | initself | how fscked am i? http://imgur.com/fZmiGiE |
| 19:28.22 | greycat | terminal: if it's not... then you can look for "tcsh" which also has tab completion, but uses the csh syntax |
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| 19:28.46 | digdilem | initself, dunno. might recover, might not. just follow what it tells you |
| 19:28.54 | greycat | (I'm not sure why you're using Windows and Solaris/SunOS but asking for help in #debian though.) |
| 19:28.54 | terminal | I think bash is installed |
| 19:28.54 | petn-randall | initself: Depends strongly on what happened. |
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| 19:29.06 | terminal | bash: ss: command not found |
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| 19:29.50 | terminal | when i type bash nothing happens |
| 19:29.54 | terminal | then i typed ss |
| 19:29.58 | terminal | typed* |
| 19:30.00 | greycat | terminal: something did happen. |
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| 19:30.09 | terminal | and then that happened |
| 19:30.11 | greycat | You are now in bash instead of whatever you were in before. |
| 19:30.22 | terminal | heh |
| 19:30.24 | petn-randall | smirks. |
| 19:30.29 | initself | isn't it saying the fsck attempt failed? |
| 19:30.39 | greycat | If bash were NOT installed, you would have received an error message when you typed 'bash'. |
| 19:30.50 | terminal | I see |
| 19:30.51 | initself | or that i am supposed to run fsck /dev/sda1 |
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| 19:31.27 | mythos | terminal, it' simple. you actualy switched into the bash-shell. so now your shell interpreter is bash's |
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| 19:31.55 | terminal | ah |
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| 19:33.39 | terminal | But the symbol that each new line starts with % <-- not sure what to call this, doesn't change. so did I really switch anything? I think I was always in bash..I would thing that symbol would change.. like when you do root or su.. I believe it does.. |
| 19:33.40 | petn-randall | initself: both. |
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| 19:33.58 | terminal | think* |
| 19:34.12 | mythos | terminal, if you type 'exit' (without '), you would leave bash again |
| 19:34.38 | terminal | ahhh |
| 19:34.42 | terminal | you're right! :) |
| 19:34.47 | mythos | terminal, ;) |
| 19:35.00 | terminal | a shell within a shell .. damn .. hehe this is an inception lmarfo. |
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| 19:38.17 | mpavel | hello - what's the best solution to keep 2 servers in a "duplicate" mode? I'm thinking about it from a web dev point of view, 1 for staging, 1 for live. Apart from some settings, all software on one should also be on the second |
| 19:38.32 | KsM | git? |
| 19:39.09 | mpavel | On top of the installed software, configs, etc, also thinking of files for the actual websites (users even?) |
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| 19:40.02 | mpavel | KsM: yes, git is great for the websites' files ... I was thinking more for the actual servers (OS and all) - or would that be silly? |
| 19:40.36 | KsM | not sure, maybe rsync? |
| 19:40.46 | terminal | oh i feel so dumb now. just realised in the putty's settings there is an options for backspace - 1) Ctrl-H 2) Ctrl-? (127) and the 2nd option was selected not the first.. no wonder nothing was working lol |
| 19:41.09 | greycat | terminal: that would be another solution, instead of using stty erase. |
| 19:41.14 | petn-randall | mpavel: have your software in a CVS, test it on one system, when it's done push it to the other. |
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| 19:42.18 | mythos | actually, i'm searching for someone, who has access to the libcackey sources. downloadable here: https://software.forge.mil/sf/frs/do/listReleases/projects.community_cac/frs.cackey . but it seems, it's not anonymously accessable anymore. it's a smartcard driver (license: public domain). anyone here, who can help me out? |
| 19:42.50 | Edgan | Can anyone suggest an alternative to reprepro that supports multiple versions of a package? I see multiple alternatives, but don't know which are likely to last, support multiple versions of a package, etc. |
| 19:42.50 | greycat | dot mil? um, good luck. |
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| 19:42.57 | mpavel | petn-randall: KsM: thanks for your answers - however, my thoughts were more along the lines of keeping an (almost?) exact copy of the whole server: one in VirtualBox, the second as a VPS or such - but completely with OS+installed software+my own files for websites. Is this a silly idea? |
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| 19:43.31 | mythos | greycat, yeah, thanks ;) |
| 19:44.28 | petn-randall | mpavel: IMO it's not worth the trouble. |
| 19:45.03 | babilen | mpavel: You might want to make use of puppet for easy configuration (and ganeti if you want to virtualisation) |
| 19:45.10 | petn-randall | wishes anything in the last 30 minutes were about Debian. |
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| 19:45.42 | mpavel | petn-randall: well, I have Debian on both VPS & VM :P |
| 19:46.00 | mpavel | babilen: yes, forgot about puppet - should probably look into it or chef once more |
| 19:47.19 | TheWarden | Hi |
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| 19:48.14 | TheWarden | I have a bunch of files and BASH scripts that I would like to put into a package. I've been doing quite a bit of reading on the subject, however when I try to download a package such as unclutter or xorg it doesn't seem to match the documentation I've read. |
| 19:48.51 | TheWarden | What would be good resources to learn how to do this and what would be a good package to rip apart to see how its put together? |
| 19:49.47 | initself | petn-randall++ |
| 19:49.51 | initself | fsck worked |
| 19:49.56 | initself | following directions worked |
| 19:49.58 | TheWarden | not match I meant to say |
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| 19:51.28 | stew | TheWarden: the new maintainer guide is the canonical documentation, but since there are so many ways of doing it, and many newer easier ways since the NMG was written, looking at other packages is good |
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| 19:52.51 | benje | hello since i update to the last security kernel i got a kernel panic about the firewire-ohci driver i found a workaround with pci=noacpi but no other devices, as wifi or usb, work |
| 19:53.51 | benje | it under a thosiba satellite sa60-151 do you know an other way as i can boot normally |
| 19:54.50 | terminal | very wierd.. so i try typing the command i want to auto run as soon as i ssh/login to server in <jelly-home> terminal: Connection -> SSH -> Remote command .. and ... and basically as soon as i login the PuTTy terminal vanishes (closes?), but when I remove that line (to how it was before blank) .. its okay again |
| 19:55.07 | TheWarden | stew: yeah I never thought of it that way. mmm I was just trying to find something that matched it so I could make sense of of it. As of right now I'm still lost as to where to begin even. |
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| 19:59.00 | TheWarden | stew: this is an accurate up to date why to make packages, http://wiki.debian.org/HowToPackageForDebian? Keep in mind I'm doing this for Debian Squeeze. |
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| 20:01.00 | TheWarden | stew: the other issue I've had is so far the commands I've tried to run don't work. So I must be missing some tools I guess. for instanced I'm being told in this document http://wiki.debian.org/IntroDebianPackaging to use dch to create a changelog but I don't have dch command. |
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| 20:04.34 | terminal | greycat: when I do ~/.bash_profile I get no such file or directory.. |
| 20:04.54 | greycat | terminal: you are in #debian but you are asking about a non-Debian system. So our advice isn't going to apply. |
| 20:05.26 | TheWarden | I hope this is right, installing build-essentails, devscripts and debhelper. |
| 20:05.26 | greycat | terminal: if this SunOS system is actually Solaris (Sun OS 5.x or higher) then you should be asking in #solaris |
| 20:05.44 | terminal | ok |
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| 20:06.14 | terminal | thanks for all the help anyways. |
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| 20:14.55 | terminal | I am back :p |
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| 20:15.21 | Mement | Hey all |
| 20:15.43 | benje | the kernel panic is __bad_area_nosemaphore |
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| 20:15.57 | Mement | Currently working on my Raspberry Pi, wich uses Respbian, an equivalent of Debian. Got a question |
| 20:16.25 | benje | fatal exception in interrupt |
| 20:16.47 | Mement | Currently stuck for 10 minutes, is this GitHub related? http://i.imgur.com/O6jbUlb.png |
| 20:16.52 | JordiGH | !ozone |
| 20:16.53 | dpkg | i guess ozone is your daddy |
| 20:16.58 | JordiGH | !based on debian |
| 20:16.59 | dpkg | Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't and cannot know what changes were made by your distribution (compare http://futurist.se/gldt/). #debian only supports Debian; please respect our choice to volunteer here to help Debian users. Support for other distributions is off-topic on #debian, even if your own distro's channel is clueless or non-existent. |
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| 20:17.33 | jhutchins_wk | Mement: I'm pretty sure raspian has it's own channel - it has some significant differences. |
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| 20:19.48 | benje | acpi=noirq work too without wifi network detection and no usb detection |
| 20:19.55 | penth | I heard back from my user. His box has a 750mhz Athlon, 1.5GB memory and a GeForce /6200/. When he ran glxinfo it just said 'NVIDIA OpenGL Driver requires CPUs with SSE to run. The current CPU does not support SSE.' So how can he configure gnome-2.2 to not use compiz without selecting failsafe all the time? |
| 20:20.40 | jhutchins_wk | penth: Does he have to use gnome? |
| 20:22.25 | penth | He's used to Gnome (from Lenny) but I suppose we could switch him to xfce. I'd rather just get him running gnome with metacity or another simplish compositor by default |
| 20:22.40 | mythos | may a symlink from metacity to compiz does the trick |
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| 20:24.02 | penth | (Compiz failures drove me to Unity last year, but I was already on the U side of the family) |
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| 20:24.17 | JordiGH | I'm afraid for the death of compiz... |
| 20:24.21 | JordiGH | Is it still there in wheezy? |
| 20:24.50 | mythos | penth, update-alternatives --config x-window-manager and select metacity |
| 20:25.02 | Waxhead | JordiGH: compiz is in wheezy |
| 20:25.11 | penth | Great, thanks mythos. |
| 20:25.31 | JordiGH | Waxhead: But no Debian upload since 2011, hmmmm... |
| 20:25.55 | Waxhead | JordiGH: Correction compiz-gusion-bcop is in wheezy |
| 20:26.16 | KsM | fusion |
| 20:26.22 | Waxhead | indeed.... |
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| 20:26.28 | Waxhead | likes typos |
| 20:26.37 | KsM | lykes tipos |
| 20:26.52 | Waxhead | :) |
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| 20:41.51 | Kruemmel_m0nster | Hey guys |
| 20:42.18 | Kruemmel_m0nster | Any regex experts online? |
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| 20:42.26 | Anaki | yap |
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| 20:42.44 | Kruemmel_m0nster | Oh cool i hope you can help me |
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| 20:43.47 | Kruemmel_m0nster | I need to find a string with certain chars with a certain amount is there anyway to do this? |
| 20:44.18 | greycat | What characters, and what amount? |
| 20:44.22 | phy1729 | you're going hae to be more clear |
| 20:44.43 | Kruemmel_m0nster | Let's say for instance 3 a's 1 b and 2 c's |
| 20:44.50 | greycat | grep aaabcc |
| 20:45.01 | phy1729 | in that order or any order? |
| 20:45.11 | Kruemmel_m0nster | In any order totally random |
| 20:45.29 | greycat | Is this homework? |
| 20:45.51 | greycat | I don't believe regular expressions are the best choice for this. |
| 20:46.27 | bleutyler | I think he will need multiple regular expression tests on the stings |
| 20:46.31 | KsM | a?b?c? |
| 20:46.34 | KsM | should do it |
| 20:46.40 | Kruemmel_m0nster | Yeah kinda its for A presentation |
| 20:46.43 | greycat | KsM: that does not do what he asked for. |
| 20:46.59 | KsM | well it matches any amount of instances of abc in that order |
| 20:47.03 | phy1729 | I think you could do it with lookaround ( http://www.regular-expressions.info/lookaround.html ) but you should tell us about the bigger problem to see if there's a better way to solve it |
| 20:47.04 | bleutyler | if ( $word =~ a{2} && $word =~ /b{3}/ ) { ... } |
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| 20:47.13 | greycat | KsM: he wants *three* a's, 1 b, and *two* c's, in any order. |
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| 20:47.17 | peneverde | is there any nice girl from palestine wishing to give linux private classes_ |
| 20:47.18 | KsM | oh |
| 20:47.21 | peneverde | ? |
| 20:47.34 | KsM | I thought it was just any number of abc as long as it's in that order |
| 20:47.42 | phy1729 | or just grep for a{3,} then b{1,} then c{2,} |
| 20:48.06 | greycat | phy1729: that won't match abacac |
| 20:48.09 | bleutyler | exactly, 3 seperate RE tests that must all match |
| 20:48.54 | frognot_ | is there a way to pass yes/no answers to the grub2 curses interface that comes up? will --assume-yes , just take the first option given? I am using apt-get but would use aptitude if it can do this |
| 20:48.55 | greycat | Kruemmel_m0nster: Is "abacac" supposed to match? |
| 20:49.02 | bleutyler | (.*a){3} |
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| 20:49.34 | Kruemmel_m0nster | No |
| 20:49.38 | greycat | Ah. |
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| 20:49.50 | Kruemmel_m0nster | Oh sorry yes |
| 20:49.51 | greycat | In that case, the simpler tests should be OK. |
| 20:49.54 | greycat | ... or not. |
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| 20:50.28 | Kruemmel_m0nster | They don't have to have the amount in it but it has to be only maximum the amount |
| 20:50.44 | greycat | I didn't understand that sentence at all. |
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| 20:51.01 | Kruemmel_m0nster | It can have 3 a but it dont have to have it |
| 20:51.08 | KsM | three or less |
| 20:51.14 | Kruemmel_m0nster | Exactly |
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| 20:51.56 | greycat | Oh, uh... this is VERY much no longer a task for which RE is suited. |
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| 20:52.26 | Kruemmel_m0nster | Oh so what is then the way to go? |
| 20:52.32 | KsM | Kruemmel_m0nster: will aaabzcc match? |
| 20:52.38 | KsM | i.e. can it contain other characters |
| 20:52.38 | greycat | It would depend on which language you're writing in. |
| 20:53.03 | Kruemmel_m0nster | No because z isnt defined to be in there |
| 20:53.19 | greycat | I have a feeling we're not getting the real question here. |
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| 20:54.03 | Kruemmel_m0nster | It can have 3 a's or less 1'b or less and 2 c's or less |
| 20:54.11 | KsM | I guess you'd have to have something go through each character and count how much of each instance for a, b and c |
| 20:54.26 | greycat | Where do these things come from? |
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| 20:56.30 | Kruemmel_m0nster | I have to presentate a way to solve crossword's from a programm |
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| 20:56.48 | Kruemmel_m0nster | I don't know the english word for alghoritmus |
| 20:56.56 | greycat | Wow. That's so far away from the original question. |
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| 20:57.01 | greycat | Algorithms. |
| 20:57.09 | needle | algorithm |
| 20:57.57 | greycat | So you have an input that is like " A BE" and you have to find words that can match that, using the spaces as wildcards? |
| 20:58.23 | Kruemmel_m0nster | Basicly my pc computes a wordlist using the chars i give him and now i want to filter the ones out that don't meet the conditions |
| 20:58.25 | greycat | grep '^...a...be$' /usr/share/dict/words comes to mind |
| 20:58.40 | phogg | greycat: I've done just that many times... |
| 20:58.45 | phogg | cheats at crosswords |
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| 20:59.40 | greycat | Kruemmel_m0nster: you've distorted the question too much. Your partially-solved crossword has a word like " A BE", right? Just use THAT. |
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| 21:02.56 | Kruemmel_m0nster | Sorry got dc |
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| 21:03.25 | Armistice | Where is the list of users/groups ? |
| 21:03.49 | needle | more /etc/group and more /etc/passwd |
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| 21:04.06 | needle | then you see which users/groups are already on your system |
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| 21:04.32 | Kruemmel_m0nster | So i have a list with all combinations of abc with a wordlenghts of 4 and in that i wanna search for a word that has 3 or less a's and 1. Or less b and 2 or less c's |
| 21:04.39 | Armistice | ok thank you needle |
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| 21:05.39 | phogg | Kruemmel_m0nster: you're making this more difficult than it has to be, given your actual goal |
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| 21:06.56 | Kruemmel_m0nster | How can i make it easier |
| 21:07.24 | Kruemmel_m0nster | ? |
| 21:07.35 | phogg | Kruemmel_m0nster: do what greycat suggested |
| 21:08.01 | Kruemmel_m0nster | Wich one do you mean the grep ^a... Thingy? |
| 21:08.17 | phogg | Kruemmel_m0nster: yes. |
| 21:08.41 | Kruemmel_m0nster | Can you write it again i got a dc and can not read it anymore |
| 21:09.52 | phogg | Kruemmel_m0nster: here's a version of it: IFS= read -r -p 'enter word> ' word ; grep ^$(tr ' ' . <<<"$word")\$ /usr/share/dict/words |
| 21:10.15 | phogg | just enter your word with spaces wherever the unknown characters are |
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| 21:11.54 | Jeena | Hi, just a quick question, in debian/changelog is it supposed to have only the changes from this particular version or is it supposed to have the changes of all versions before too? |
| 21:11.59 | phogg | Kruemmel_m0nster: this is case sensitive, so use lower case or use grep -i |
| 21:12.44 | jhutchins_wk | Jeena: Package changelogs are usually cumulative. Release changelogs are version-to-version. |
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| 21:15.36 | Jeena | hm never heard of release changelogs, what is the release changelog file called? |
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| 21:16.41 | fishsponge_ | hello! i'm trying to exclude a few lines from logcheck based on "ftpd"... which is the file to add the regexp to? |
| 21:17.00 | Jeena | and the cumulative one, do I add new items to the top or at the bottom? |
| 21:17.04 | fishsponge_ | i assume it's "/etc/logcheck/ignore.d.server/ftpd", right? |
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| 21:17.30 | jhutchins_wk | Jeena: Usually the top, and I've found release changelogs on the website. |
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| 21:18.10 | jhutchins_wk | fishsponge_: Why don't you want to check for ftp entries? |
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| 21:18.58 | Jeena | ah I see, thank you very much :) |
| 21:19.07 | fishsponge_ | jhutchins_wk, i do want to check for ftp entries, but there's a couple of lines i need to exclude |
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| 21:19.41 | fishsponge_ | jhutchins_wk, basically, i want to exclude Mar 26 20:48:03 webhost ftpd[3755]: pam_ftp(ftp:auth): conversation failed and Mar 26 20:48:03 webhost in.ftpd[3755]: connect from 192.168.50.20 (192.168.50.20) |
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| 21:21.21 | fishsponge_ | jhutchins_wk, i have added these lines to "/etc/logcheck/ignore.d.server/ftpd", but i still get the lines in the logcheck emails: "^[A-Z][a-z]{2} \d{2} \d{2}:\d{2}:\d{2} webhost (in.)?ftpd\[\d+\]: pam_ftp\(ftp:auth\): conversation failed$ |
| 21:21.37 | fishsponge_ | jhutchins_wk, and: "^[A-Z][a-z]{2} \d{2} \d{2}:\d{2}:\d{2} webhost (in.)?ftpd\[\d+\]: connect from 192\.168\.50\.20 \(192\.168\.50\.20\)$ |
| 21:21.56 | fishsponge_ | jhutchins_wk, (ignore the " at the start of the line - that's not in the file) |
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| 21:26.19 | TheWarden | okay, I've been able to start putting together the basic files required within a Debian package. What I'm lost at and so far not find is how to make the upstream package or source package? I have a bunch of BASH, Python scripts and misc files that I want to have in a package. Its not like a c++ pckage |
| 21:26.24 | TheWarden | package* |
| 21:26.37 | jhutchins_wk | fishsponge_: This is really a question for logcheck support rather than debian support. Failed connections are useful if someone's trying to crack your system. |
| 21:26.50 | TheWarden | any links or direction on this would be great, thanks. |
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| 21:27.44 | fishsponge_ | jhutchins_wk, should I join #logcheck? |
| 21:28.02 | fishsponge_ | jhutchins_wk, hmm... #logcheck is empty |
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| 21:28.46 | benje | no idea ? |
| 21:30.28 | jhutchins_wk | fishsponge_: Not every irc channel is on freenode, not every package is on irc. |
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| 21:31.11 | jhutchins_wk | fishsponge_: For a specific package like that you'll probably be searching mailing lists and/or forums. |
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| 21:31.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | fishsponge_, just for covering the simple... did you restart logcheck after you edited the file? (I'm not sure it needs to be, but...) |
| 21:31.55 | fishsponge_ | jhutchins_wk, thanks for the advice :-) |
| 21:32.38 | benje | or at least a way to get the usb disk working to revert kernel |
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| 21:35.25 | jhutchins_wk | benje: I don't see your original question anywhere. |
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| 21:36.26 | benje | jhutchins_wk, since the last kernel update i got a kernel panic cause of the firewire |
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| 21:36.55 | jhutchins_wk | benje: Which kernel? |
| 21:37.02 | benje | jhutchins_wk, and the modprobe.blacklist=firewire_ohci doesn't work |
| 21:37.27 | benje | 2.6.32-5-686 those from security update |
| 21:37.42 | benje | squeeze1 i check the entire name |
| 21:37.50 | jhutchins_wk | This is why I don't like updates instead of revertable versions.... |
| 21:37.57 | jhutchins_wk | ,kernels |
| 21:37.59 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 3.8-trunk-686-pae (3.8.3-1~experimental.1); sid: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.41-2); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.39-2); squeeze-backports: 3.2.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.2.39-2~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-48squeeze1) |
| 21:38.37 | benje | 2.6.32-48squeez1 |
| 21:38.47 | jhutchins_wk | benje: I wonder if firewire is a module, or if it's in the kernel now? |
| 21:38.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | I think you can't easily see the real patchlevel? |
| 21:39.37 | benje | in kernel i think jhutchins_wk i can boot with pci=noacpi but i don't get other device such as wifi ethernet or usb |
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| 21:39.48 | benje | i see them but they are not functionnal |
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| 21:40.25 | benje | so hard to revert to other kernel :/ |
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| 21:45.07 | benje | jhutchins_wk, i see i can tell him to not check some irq with pnp_reserve_irq= or irqmask |
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| 21:47.53 | bublik | i have a problem with my laptop.. when i awake it from suspend my usb ports dont seem to be working... but when i do a restart they work fine... what could it be? |
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| 21:49.11 | benje | bublik, do you try to unload reload module to see if it's the initialisation that is bad ? there some option to do some action before and after suspend |
| 21:49.30 | rgr | thinkpad? |
| 21:49.41 | rgr | bublik: ^ |
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| 21:50.23 | rgr | An old thinkpad of mine had this and a new bios solved it. |
| 21:50.29 | bublik | no how do i do that? |
| 21:50.31 | benje | are you using pm-utils ? |
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| 21:52.12 | bublik | so you think upgrading the bios might do the trick? |
| 21:52.39 | benje | SUSPEND_MODULES="uhci_hd button ehci_hd iwlwifi" for example |
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| 21:53.17 | TheWarden | well gtg, take care all. |
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| 21:57.10 | jaggz | Quick question: What happens if I use a newer weekly DVD (dvd-2) to continue the installation of DVD-1 from last week? |
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| 21:58.18 | jaggz | I downloaded and made a bootable install USB stick (using unetbootin and the downloaded-dvd iso), but I didn't download dvd's 2 or 3 at the time. Those are no longer available from 3-7-2013 |
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| 22:02.23 | petn-randall | jaggz: just use the internet? |
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| 22:02.53 | petn-randall | jaggz: you can download packages from a mirror. |
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| 22:06.16 | benje | jhutchins_wk, no idee so ? |
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| 22:06.42 | Cyclohexane | How do I replace helo with hello in a file? I'm thnking sed is the solution |
| 22:07.16 | petn-randall | Cyclohexane: sed -i~ 's/helo/hello/' $file |
| 22:07.17 | benje | or maybe with the pnp_reserve function ? |
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| 22:08.10 | benje | erf no its for isa |
| 22:08.23 | benje | nousb doesn't work neither |
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| 22:09.32 | benje | or the reserve maybe i don't know |
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| 22:12.26 | tgs3 | is sshfs on debian supposed to work like bullshit (hangs on connection problems and hangs half computer with it, also randomly hangs for no reason)? |
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| 22:13.01 | benje | why with pci=noacpi device is visible in lspci modue are loadded but they don't work ? |
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| 22:13.23 | benje | tgs3, no strace it |
| 22:14.06 | benje | modue module |
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| 22:14.17 | tgs3 | benje: always it hangs when connection is lost, this is stupid but this is known problem. But today it just randomly hanged while connection is working fine |
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| 22:14.36 | thinkerweb | I am trying to convert a .wps document to one for oowriter or abiword, so I installed wps2sxw but I don't know how to use the program, theres no man page either |
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| 22:14.57 | benje | thinkerweb, --help ? |
| 22:15.17 | thinkerweb | benje, nope |
| 22:15.26 | benje | where do you get it ? |
| 22:15.44 | thinkerweb | benje, repo |
| 22:15.44 | benje | from repository ? |
| 22:15.49 | benje | :/ |
| 22:15.53 | thinkerweb | yep |
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| 22:17.10 | benje | maybe juste prog file.wps file.sxw |
| 22:17.23 | thinkerweb | yeah, thats what I tried |
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| 22:19.07 | Nik05 | hey guys, any idea what i could have done to screen to use utf8 anymore? |
| 22:19.18 | Nik05 | its only using utf8 when i invoke screen with -U |
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| 22:20.02 | benje | thinkerweb, in the readme wps2sxw <infile> <outfile> |
| 22:21.12 | thinkerweb | benje, so my file is no good the, btw, what readme? |
| 22:21.47 | benje | Nik05, in config file ? or utf8 on on command |
| 22:22.18 | Nik05 | well normally it would always use utf8 and all of a sudden its not using utf8 anymore |
| 22:22.34 | benje | in the tar file http://sourceforge.net/projects/libwps/files/wps2sxw/wps2sxw-0.1.0/ thinkerweb |
| 22:23.02 | benje | Nik05, maybe you type utf8 off or change something int the config file |
| 22:23.18 | Nik05 | no i didnt change anything |
| 22:23.36 | Nik05 | but how do i get it to use utf8 as default? |
| 22:23.40 | benje | in ~/.screen.rc |
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| 22:23.57 | Nik05 | never done that... |
| 22:24.08 | benje | http://www.gnu.org/software/screen/manual/screen.html |
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| 22:24.16 | Nik05 | wait maybe i did |
| 22:24.29 | Nik05 | looks like i didnt something to the file :P |
| 22:24.36 | Nik05 | it now contains "defutf8 on" |
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| 22:25.23 | Nik05 | can someone put some utf8 char here thats not in iso8988 or something? |
| 22:25.29 | Nik05 | æóä |
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| 22:25.38 | dondelelcaro | ςff? |
| 22:25.43 | benje | Æ |
| 22:25.47 | Nik05 | only see "???" ;S |
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| 22:25.52 | prefixed | ok |
| 22:25.58 | prefixed | time for SOLR |
| 22:26.00 | nkuttler | かけきこく ? |
| 22:26.00 | Myrtti | ♥ äåö€ |
| 22:26.09 | Nik05 | now started screen with -U and now i do see it |
| 22:26.41 | nkuttler | Nik05: or just use utf8 on in your screenrc |
| 22:27.06 | Nik05 | nkuttler i put utf8 on in my screenrc |
| 22:27.19 | nkuttler | hm, interesting |
| 22:27.55 | nkuttler | Nik05: which terminal do you use? |
| 22:27.57 | benje | defutf8 on #new screen \ utf8 on on both side |
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| 22:29.05 | Nik05 | benje: i should use defutf8 on? |
| 22:29.41 | benje | both defutf8 and utf8 on on |
| 22:30.03 | Nik05 | in .screenrc? |
| 22:30.04 | benje | yes |
| 22:30.11 | Nik05 | never had utf8 on on |
| 22:31.05 | benje | utf8 [state [dstate]] |
| 22:31.05 | benje | <PROTECTED> |
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| 22:32.29 | Nik05 | benje thanks |
| 22:32.44 | benje | it not me it's the manual |
| 22:32.46 | Nik05 | that worked :) |
| 22:32.52 | Nik05 | hehe :P |
| 22:33.04 | benje | ;) |
| 22:33.24 | Nik05 | so do i need to put utf8 on on in .screenrc or defutf8 on on ? |
| 22:33.25 | Myrtti | btw I've noticed that tmux handles utf8 better than screen in some cases |
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| 22:33.49 | benje | Nik05, go to read those section http://www.gnu.org/software/screen/manual/screen.html#Character-Processing |
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| 22:34.36 | benje | you need both to be shure on tell the default windows other tell how they exchange |
| 22:34.43 | benje | on one |
| 22:34.56 | Nik05 | well when i had utf8 on on in .screenrc it didnt work... |
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| 22:35.36 | Nik05 | well it is working now thanks benje :D |
| 22:35.51 | benje | what tell you defcharset ? |
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| 22:36.30 | Nik05 | default charset is '' |
| 22:36.32 | Nik05 | oops |
| 22:36.40 | benje | and defencoding |
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| 22:37.12 | Nik05 | requires argument |
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| 22:38.13 | Nik05 | oh shit still not working correctly |
| 22:38.26 | Nik05 | when i dettach screen and attach utf8 is gone again |
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| 22:39.00 | Nik05 | brb will relog |
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| 22:39.21 | benje | do you get the both defutf8 on and utf8 on on |
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| 22:40.51 | benje | good night |
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| 22:42.07 | MrPopinjay | Hello guys |
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| 22:42.25 | MrPopinjay | What's the current situation with steam on debian? |
| 22:42.31 | MrPopinjay | Is installation still a pain? |
| 22:42.32 | Nik05 | so anyone got utf8 chars again? :P |
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| 22:43.09 | aleij | hi all, im trying compile a sim and get this strange error: locale/Makefile.am:5: `localedir' is not a legitimate directory for `DATA' |
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| 22:44.24 | aleij | locale/Makefile.am:5: `localedir' is not a legitimate directory for `DATA' |
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| 22:44.40 | aleij | has anyone seen that before? |
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| 22:45.23 | Nik05 | wow looks like its working :D |
| 22:45.28 | Nik05 | thanks guys |
| 22:46.04 | abrotman | MrPopinjay: probably |
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| 22:46.56 | MrPopinjay | :( |
| 22:47.18 | abrotman | MrPopinjay: ask #steamlug |
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| 22:48.19 | Cyclohexane | How could I strip a long path to just /images/file.png? e.g. mydomain.com/img/icons/gli/image.png to mydomain.com/images/image.png |
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| 22:50.07 | abrotman | Cyclohexane: sed magic |
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| 23:02.05 | clopez | Cyclohexane: echo "mydomain.com/images/$(basename $longpath)" |
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| 23:08.30 | initself | anyone know where the cups scripts reside that send test print jobs to a printer? |
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| 23:09.10 | initself | so if you are in the admin tool, you select "Print Test Page", what program does that execute? |
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| 23:11.27 | num7 | hi, i'm trying to remove the "udev"-package but this "Error, pkgProblemResolver::Resolve generated breaks, this may be caused by held packages." is printed. Does someone know to fix it? |
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| 23:14.28 | alesan | hi |
| 23:14.42 | alesan | I am trying to reinstall vim but it says it's already installed |
| 23:14.52 | alesan | while the binary of vim has been deleted by mistake |
| 23:15.03 | alesan | what can I do to force apt-get to just reinstall it? |
| 23:15.26 | themill | /usr/bin/vim is a symlink to /etc/alternatives/vim |
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| 23:15.42 | alesan | I said the binary of vim has been deleted |
| 23:15.57 | alesan | how can I have apt-get reinstall it? |
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| 23:16.03 | themill | perhaps you could be less vague about which binary? |
| 23:16.05 | Cyclohexane | alesan: apt-get --re-install |
| 23:16.12 | Cyclohexane | alesan: apt-get --reinstall ** |
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| 23:16.29 | alesan | thanks Cyclohexane :) |
| 23:16.37 | themill | notes that is unlikely to help |
| 23:16.40 | alesan | themill, honsetly, no, why do you care? my question was another one |
| 23:16.51 | nkuttler | alesan: that will just produce an error.. |
| 23:17.01 | alesan | nkuttler, no, it works now |
| 23:17.17 | alesan | thanks again Cyclohexane (nice nick by the way) |
| 23:17.37 | Cyclohexane | alesan: no problem :) and thanks :P |
| 23:17.40 | themill | alesan: the exact binary that /usr/bin/vim points to is shipped by any of a number of different packages. We're not in the habit of asking questions for the fun of it |
| 23:18.38 | alesan | themill, vim-full does not exist anymore, does it? when I install the vim package I just get the vim the link refers to |
| 23:19.25 | alesan | and as the binary (that was /usr/bin/vim.basic) has been deleted by mistake (long story), I just wanted to reinstall it |
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| 23:19.39 | themill | ,file /usr/bin/vim* |
| 23:19.45 | judd | Search for /usr/bin/vim* in squeeze/i386: vim-addon-manager: usr/bin/vim-addons; via-bin: usr/bin/vimage2graph, usr/bin/vimage2volumes, usr/bin/vimagehisto; vim-gnome: usr/bin/vim.gnome; vim-nox: usr/bin/vim.nox; vim-tiny: usr/bin/vim.tiny; lipsia: usr/bin/vimagemask, usr/bin/vimagetimecourse; vim-scripts: usr/bin/vimplate; vim: usr/bin/vim.basic; vim-gtk: usr/bin/vim.gtk; graphviz: |
| 23:19.46 | judd | usr/bin/vimdot; vim-lesstif: usr/bin/vim.lesstif; vim-runtime: usr/bin/vimtutor |
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| 23:20.28 | alesan | I am not using i386 but armel |
| 23:20.34 | themill | so? |
| 23:20.45 | alesan | themill, you like to have more information than needed |
| 23:20.52 | alesan | so I gave you more, no? |
| 23:20.54 | alesan | :D |
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| 23:22.17 | worstadmin | Question: Is there anyway I can dist-upgrade without taking down or changing my services? Specific ones httpd,postgresqld,etc. Or is there a way on lenny I can begin using squeeze packages for specific things? |
| 23:23.14 | themill | worstadmin: you need to restart the daemons as part of the dist-upgrade and you also need to reboot. |
| 23:23.32 | worstadmin | Well then I'm going to need to learn how to apt-pin squeeze repos for my lenny |
| 23:23.34 | themill | (you will probably also need to manually frigg with config files to get everything working properly again) |
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| 23:24.12 | themill | worstadmin: what will that help you achieve? |
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| 23:24.29 | worstadmin | themill: Im just wanting to dist-upgrade for one package that is in the squeeze repos |
| 23:24.39 | worstadmin | Well 1 package with several depends |
| 23:25.29 | themill | For one package like that, backporting would normally be simpler. BTW have you factored into your "I can't take the services down" plan that you're not receiving any security support for lenny and haven't done so for over a year? |
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| 23:26.19 | themill | Specifically, have you factored in how long services will be done in a disaster recovery situation where your box with no security support gets unwelcome visitors? (I assume you're also running an old and vulnerable kernel if you never reboot) |
| 23:26.40 | worstadmin | themill: I am yes. Which is why I've suggested we migrate using our maintenance windows |
| 23:26.49 | worstadmin | themill: Can I not pin the squeeze repo and use it for the package? |
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| 23:27.28 | worstadmin | Oh actually - its in lenny backports (the package I need) |
| 23:27.40 | worstadmin | Hurray for all the cupcakes in the world! |
| 23:27.56 | worstadmin | OH MOTHER EFF |
| 23:27.59 | worstadmin | It's discontinued |
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| 23:28.41 | themill | worstadmin: sure, everything lenny was discontinued and removed from the mirrors about a year ago. You'll find lenny-backports on archive.debian.org |
| 23:29.25 | worstadmin | themill: And can I add for example http://archive.debian.org/backports.org/dists/lenny-backports/ to my repo list? |
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| 23:35.58 | Lirezh | I've a strange issue with the init system. I added 'flip:23:respawn:php /tool/flash-ip-server.php &> /var/log/flash-ip-server.log' and init tries to start the process 10 times (it starts it 10 times) |
| 23:36.32 | Lirezh | I added locking into the tool so it can only start once, one is started by init but it still tries to start the other ones (every 5 minutes due to the flood rate limit) |
| 23:36.42 | Lirezh | anyone a clue |
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| 23:39.51 | prefixed | where does apache solr typically install to? |
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| 23:40.24 | CrowX- | Does the linux-image metapackage have all drivers in the kernel built in, or it comes in split in modules? |
| 23:41.48 | 50UACFPGR | CrowX-, modular |
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| 23:43.08 | CrowX- | 50UACFPGR, to what extent? I mean, are the file systems support drivers built in at least? |
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| 23:44.10 | stew | CrowX-: no, filesystem are modules |
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| 23:45.00 | karmab | CrowX-, i have no idea where this nick came from |
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| 23:45.28 | karmab | CrowX-, file systems are built in but most things are modular |
| 23:45.36 | karmab | the same goes for most distribs actually |
| 23:45.47 | stew | karmab: nicks taht start with numbers are assigned by the server when there is a split and then rejoin, but during the rejoin, both halves of the split have the same nick |
| 23:46.04 | stew | karmab: you can't normally start a nick with a number, that number comes from the internal id of the server |
| 23:46.18 | karmab | stew, cool, thanks for the info :) |
| 23:46.20 | stew | file systems are not built in |
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| 23:47.08 | karmab | stew, i mean there s no ext4 module shown by lsmod |
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| 23:47.38 | CrowX- | stew, so mounting of partitions happens after the modules get loaded? |
| 23:47.40 | stew | $ /sbin/modprobe -l | grep ext4 |
| 23:47.41 | stew | kernel/fs/ext4/ext4.ko |
| 23:47.53 | stew | CrowX-: yes |
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| 23:48.37 | dokma | in xorg.conf in device section I have stuff like Option "monitor-DVI-0" "VIVAX IMAGO 2230" |
| 23:48.56 | dokma | how do I verify if these "monitor-DVI-0" identifiers are valid? |
| 23:49.04 | dokma | is there a way to tell xrandr to list these? |
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| 23:50.53 | Cyclohexane | what's wrong with this? 's/olddomain\.com\/.*\//newdomain\.net\/\1/g' it's driving me mad |
| 23:50.58 | peterrooney | Lirezh: having an & after an init entry is absolutely not needed |
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| 23:51.57 | cirdan | hey anyone know much about bonding? 801.3ad. It stops working if I reboot the server |
| 23:52.23 | cirdan | after boot if I unplug and replug the cables it'll work again |
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| 23:52.50 | Lirezh | peter it's not a & |
| 23:52.52 | Lirezh | it's a &> |
| 23:53.07 | Lirezh | but indeed the redirect caused the issue, just found it a min ago |
| 23:53.15 | Lirezh | it's init version dependend |
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| 23:55.54 | sujal_ | hey guys. I am so desperate to get my pi with raspbin playing music on analog without popping sounds. #raspbian is idling . any1 here up for troubleshooting /holding my hand, please? |
| 23:56.18 | sujal_ | I changed from alsa to pulse because pulse does not go into power saving wich causes this popping sound |
| 23:56.21 | sujal_ | after that ... |
| 23:56.23 | sujal_ | silence! |
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| 23:59.03 | peterrooney | !raspbian |
| 23:59.03 | dpkg | Raspbian is a distribution <based on Debian> made specifically for the <Raspberry Pi>. Please use #raspbian on irc.freenode.net for support. http://www.raspbian.org/ |
| 23:59.57 | Cyclohexane | peterrooney: do you not realise that's what he put in his statement? |
