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| 00:17.02 | petn-randall | asterismo: you just do 'adduser your_user $group', where $group is the group that grants the access. |
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| 00:18.24 | petn-randall | asterismo: You have to look up which group adds what rights, don't know them by heart. |
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| 00:28.25 | macmouse | I have a hard disk that is on it's last legs, and I am trying to recover it's data... I can feel the drive spin up, I'm getting ata4 bus errors on console so I know it see's it, but it refuses to assign it a device id.... any suggestions? |
| 00:29.40 | abrotman | ask ##hardware perhaps |
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| 00:31.43 | yahbah | are you there to answer it abrotman? |
| 00:32.03 | abrotman | ? |
| 00:33.03 | evilytwisted | is there any sound / voice changer that works in real time for skype or any other voip programs? |
| 00:33.30 | abrotman | like a vocoder? |
| 00:33.31 | asterismo | petn-randall, do you know where i'm supposed to add this string "options psmouse proto=imps" to make the touchpad tapping capable? |
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| 00:34.15 | KsM | asterismo: somewhere in /etc/modprobe.d, maybe /etc/modprobe.d/psmouse.conf |
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| 00:35.01 | mradot_ | hello |
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| 00:45.57 | necronian | Is there a tutorial for git-buildpackage somewhere? After reading the PackagingWithGit wiki and the official docs I still can't figure it out. |
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| 00:52.38 | gynna | http://xeroticmomentsx.blogspot.com/2013/03/amateurgallery.html |
| 00:55.47 | yahbah | !ops |
| 00:55.49 | dpkg | Please invoke 'dpkg: ops $problem' to call the operators to deal with a specific problem. Misuse of this will lead to a ban. |
| 00:56.16 | stew | yahbah: what's up? |
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| 00:56.53 | yahbah | ask gynna |
| 00:57.08 | Tekra | f8l: i ended up debootstrap'ing to get local package collection, now if i aptmove them from the apt cache in the new chroot, If i save my dpkg selections, how do i use them in preseed install? |
| 00:57.11 | stew | yahbah: i can't the network bot named idoru removed him from the network |
| 00:57.12 | yahbah | or is she your friend |
| 00:58.25 | KsM | yahbah: gynna was already /kill'd |
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| 00:58.40 | KsM | what are the ops going to do about someone that's been disconnected from the network already |
| 00:59.08 | yahbah | DOSs? |
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| 00:59.33 | Tekra | RRAU! |
| 00:59.43 | Tekra | (retards run rampant around us) |
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| 01:00.02 | abrotman | yahbah: do you need help with Debian? |
| 01:00.11 | Tekra | I do! |
| 01:00.45 | Tekra | It'll be 24 minutes before my current round of .deb's are downloaded |
| 01:01.22 | Tekra | I want to make an iso or usb stick to re-install basically just like this chroot, from the packages i download now. Since internet wont be available |
| 01:01.34 | yahbah | you could speed up thinks disconnecting from irc so all bandwide wiould go into geting the debs |
| 01:01.47 | mgodzilla | lol |
| 01:02.17 | KsM | yes, because the few lines of text from irc uses up so much bandwidth |
| 01:02.24 | Tekra | I could save bandwidth by /ignoring idiots too. but the hassle isnt worth the gain |
| 01:02.53 | Tekra | Assuming /IGNORE actually invokes the server side silence list stuff (if that's even still in ircd these days) |
| 01:03.17 | mgodzilla | damn, there's a lot of people in here. |
| 01:03.21 | mgodzilla | o_O |
| 01:03.27 | abrotman | yahbah: if you're not going to help, please be quiet |
| 01:03.31 | yahbah | KsM: seppends on the number of channels and if they are chaty |
| 01:04.04 | abrotman | Tekra: so you want a full install media based on the currently installed system? |
| 01:04.24 | Tekra | abrotman: Kind of. I want an install media that uses previously downloaded packages |
| 01:04.45 | abrotman | Tekra: you can create a repo on a CD, but why not just download the already available ISOs? |
| 01:04.46 | Tekra | I can always roll up config file changes into a diff, they're mostly minimal |
| 01:05.10 | mgodzilla | is there a particular flavor of Debian for older clients? |
| 01:05.11 | Tekra | abrotman: that'd be quite a lot of software i simply wont be using |
| 01:05.18 | abrotman | mgodzilla: squeeze |
| 01:05.19 | mgodzilla | like say...an apple g4? |
| 01:05.27 | abrotman | mgodzilla: that's not very old |
| 01:05.39 | abrotman | Tekra: what's the target client purpose? |
| 01:05.53 | Tekra | xfce4 desktop should run wickedly well. I used to date a girl with a g3 macbook and it ran debian swell |
| 01:05.55 | abrotman | Tekra: and the target will have no internet access ? |
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| 01:06.13 | mgodzilla | yeah - it's the mac w/ the mirror doors/front |
| 01:06.22 | mgodzilla | thx. abrotman :) |
| 01:06.24 | suffix | any thoughts on how much ram I'd need to run apache + mysql + solr all on one server? |
| 01:06.24 | Tekra | abrotman: If bad stuff happens, it might not. It's for a DVR for cameras |
| 01:06.27 | abrotman | mgodzilla: right, so use squeeze .. |
| 01:06.32 | abrotman | Tekra: uh what? |
| 01:06.39 | mgodzilla | will do. |
| 01:06.40 | Tekra | abrotman: It records security cameras |
| 01:06.48 | Tekra | and streams them and shows them in browser |
| 01:06.50 | abrotman | suffix: depends on the number of http clients and size of mysql databases |
| 01:07.20 | abrotman | Tekra: not sure what that has to do with internet access? |
| 01:07.28 | suffix | abrotman > 1gb db and ~1000+ http clients |
| 01:07.46 | abrotman | suffix: 2GB seems reasonable? |
| 01:07.55 | abrotman | at least? |
| 01:07.58 | suffix | hm |
| 01:08.00 | suffix | I have 2gb |
| 01:08.07 | abrotman | suffix: testing is really the way to determine that |
| 01:08.08 | suffix | but for some reason, I am running out of memory |
| 01:08.18 | abrotman | suffix: define "running out" ? |
| 01:08.23 | Tekra | abrotman: If it breaks (and eventually a harddrive probably will), theres no guarantee at that point we will have internet access. I dont want to depend on internet or building packages to make newer debian work with the program used (i use motion from git repo because the version in debian is years old) |
| 01:08.30 | suffix | services are crashing due to running out of memory |
| 01:08.41 | abrotman | suffix: is this Debian? |
| 01:08.48 | Tekra | php can eat *A LOT* of ram if not properly tuned |
| 01:08.57 | abrotman | Tekra: if your HDDs all die .. lack of CDs may be the least of your worries? |
| 01:09.22 | Tekra | abrotman: Why? It is easy to replace hd. Worst case, can run live-style off the usb stick |
| 01:09.30 | Tekra | just not record. only stream |
| 01:09.51 | Tekra | Or what if i die? Then how does he set this back up? Things like this. It's disaster tool. |
| 01:09.55 | suffix | abrotman of course! |
| 01:10.01 | abrotman | Tekra: they contact the admin |
| 01:10.11 | Tekra | abrotman: Who will be admin? I am now. |
| 01:10.15 | abrotman | suffix: 2GB seems reasonable .. are you really hitting the OOM killer? |
| 01:10.25 | abrotman | Tekra: leave them a full set of DVDs, problem solved |
| 01:10.29 | Tekra | abrotman: is it such an unlikely thing that someone would be without internet access and need to install the OS? |
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| 01:10.49 | abrotman | Tekra: no, but I would just grab the first DVD and deal with the rest |
| 01:11.03 | mgodzilla | Tekra: everyone's expendable... |
| 01:11.16 | Tekra | i have time and desire to learn, to do this right, professionally, like i am paid by my friend to do |
| 01:11.16 | yahbah | im not |
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| 01:11.37 | abrotman | yahbah: please take a time out, try to be constructive |
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| 01:11.46 | bublik | i just did a dist-upgrade to wheezy and when i restarted i it still booted into linux 2.6 and gnome 2.. what could be the problem? |
| 01:11.59 | Tekra | i do not want to someday leave him in bad place. I'd rather him be able to plug thumbdrive in, boot up and see cameras. If harddrive dies, whatever, he can swap it out and reinstall from the usb too. Then is not problems for him |
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| 01:12.57 | JyZyXEL | how do i keep my display from not turning off after 10 minutes of not moving mouse? |
| 01:13.24 | abrotman | xset |
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| 01:13.58 | suffix | abrotman dmesg shows that certain processes are being killed due to lack of memory |
| 01:14.22 | abrotman | suffix: and which ones are being killed? |
| 01:14.50 | suffix | abrotman Out of memory: Kill process 7658 (apache2) score 41 or sacrifice child |
| 01:14.51 | suffix | for one |
| 01:15.15 | suffix | Out of memory: Kill process 6253 (java) score 88 or sacrifice child |
| 01:15.15 | mgodzilla | abrotman: do you work for/on the Debian project? |
| 01:15.19 | Tekra | Sounds like you need to do some tuning |
| 01:15.23 | suffix | Out of memory: Kill process 17029 (mysqld) score 42 or sacrifice child |
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| 01:15.58 | Tekra | suffix: This is just a suggestion, but do you NEED apache? Might lighttpd or nginx work as well? they seem to use less memory, especially if you poke about in php.ini |
| 01:16.49 | suffix | Tekra I've been using apache on this server for a long long time |
| 01:17.02 | suffix | and I'm looking into php-fsm now |
| 01:17.12 | Tekra | I used apache for a long time too, until a few years ago, i move to lighttpd now i use nginx |
| 01:17.12 | suffix | looks like mod_php = terrible |
| 01:17.15 | abrotman | suffix: and before/after, can you tell how much memory is being used? |
| 01:17.33 | suffix | abrotman how would I determien that |
| 01:17.42 | Tekra | i dont know what php-fsm is |
| 01:17.46 | Tekra | I use php by fastcgi |
| 01:18.06 | abrotman | php-fpm ? |
| 01:18.07 | suffix | whoops |
| 01:18.08 | suffix | http://wiki.apache.org/httpd/PHP-FPM |
| 01:18.13 | suffix | php-fpm |
| 01:18.15 | mgodzilla | htop perhaps? |
| 01:18.15 | suffix | same thing |
| 01:18.26 | Tekra | is fpm some new apache thing? |
| 01:18.33 | abrotman | no |
| 01:19.41 | Tekra | Ah fpm is to replace fastcgi. Well my my aint my setup almost as outdated as apache (: |
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| 01:20.23 | suffix | I do wonder if I should move to ngin |
| 01:20.25 | suffix | x |
| 01:20.36 | suffix | I've heard good things |
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| 01:21.23 | Tekra | we shaved our memory usage wayyy down ditching zoneminder+apache and using motion, nginx, and some homebrew php pages. Cut CPU usage in half, ram usage about 40% |
| 01:21.50 | Tekra | most of the CPU load came from zone minder, the ram from apache+php |
| 01:21.54 | suffix | abrotman how could I determine the memory usage? |
| 01:23.10 | abrotman | suffix: top,free,atop,htop,vmstat |
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| 01:23.50 | fulcan | I have a little singleboard that is running out of memory when trying to clone it with dd to another drive (locks up). is the a way to restrict or manage the memory usage of dd or dcfldd? http://pastie.org/7144726 http://www.acmesystems.it/aria |
| 01:24.33 | abrotman | you have no swap |
| 01:24.43 | abrotman | and 256MB of RAM? |
| 01:24.58 | fulcan | I noticed that too. |
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| 01:25.09 | fulcan | it's a single board |
| 01:25.21 | suffix | abrotman the last crash was hours ago |
| 01:25.28 | elvisthedj | installed a package that updated my python to 2.7.3-4 so now i have a ton of packages that won't update because they want >2.7 .. kdm (among many others) not working.. should i downgrade python, or force install? |
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| 01:26.58 | fulcan | abrotman do you think if I initialized a swap, it would quit locking up? |
| 01:27.04 | abrotman | no idea |
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| 01:28.00 | socomm | fulcan: it would definitely help |
| 01:28.37 | suffix | abrotman how would I go about figuring out what the memory usage was before / after those events |
| 01:28.51 | Tekra | debbie n or Dee bee n? |
| 01:29.04 | fulcan | suffix gdb |
| 01:29.15 | elvisthedj | deb |
| 01:29.57 | abrotman | Tekra: deb ian .. like the two names |
| 01:30.14 | Tekra | thought so, but have always wondered if i've been saying it wrong :) |
| 01:30.24 | suffix | fulcan ? |
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| 01:30.27 | suffix | ok |
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| 01:30.46 | suffix | so it looks like the last time it crashed, there were over 150 spawned httpd processes |
| 01:30.54 | Tekra | Yowzas |
| 01:31.00 | abrotman | that's not that many |
| 01:31.17 | suffix | some were using 1mb |
| 01:31.24 | suffix | some were using uppwards of 12mb |
| 01:31.28 | fulcan | suffix gdb is a memory debugger (as well as many other things) |
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| 01:31.43 | abrotman | suffix: you can tune your httpd to kill them sooner if you think that's really the problem |
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| 01:32.01 | suffix | abrotman it sure looks like it |
| 01:32.04 | Tekra | suffix: There's a document i found on reducing php memory usage, start there and definitely make sure your httpd config is sane for your usage |
| 01:32.16 | abrotman | suffix: so tune away! |
| 01:32.17 | suffix | abrotman how can I kill them sooner? |
| 01:32.23 | fulcan | suffix http://www.delorie.com/gnu/docs/gdb/gdb_toc.html |
| 01:32.28 | abrotman | suffix: there are numerous documents online about tuning that stuff |
| 01:32.29 | Tekra | reduce the max workers |
| 01:32.40 | suffix | to what number |
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| 01:33.08 | suffix | bear in mind that this site supports 40k uniques per month |
| 01:33.14 | abrotman | that's for you to decide |
| 01:33.25 | abrotman | per month isn't helpful .. per minute is |
| 01:33.30 | Tekra | thats not really that many visits |
| 01:33.36 | suffix | yeah |
| 01:33.49 | Tekra | thats ~1 hit / min |
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| 01:34.03 | suffix | most hits are between the hours of 9am and 4pm |
| 01:34.06 | Tekra | well 1 unique |
| 01:34.20 | suffix | almost none between the hours of 10pm and 8am |
| 01:35.29 | suffix | abrotman workers = number of simultaneous IPs connected to the site? |
| 01:35.32 | Tekra | suffix: http://serverfault.com/questions/21106/how-to-reduce-memory-usage-on-a-unix-webserver |
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| 01:36.27 | Tekra | If you use mod_php i believe you have to use prefork mpm but that may have changed last few years. |
| 01:36.28 | JyZyXEL | abrotman: like: xset -dpms; xset s noblank; xset s off; xset dpms off; xset dpms 0 0 0 ? |
| 01:36.45 | suffix | Tekra yes |
| 01:36.51 | Tekra | i have that in my ~/.xsession and it never works |
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| 01:38.27 | Tekra | suffix: you might definitely consider it an opportunity to at least weigh the other options in httpds these days. Definitely look at tuning your php by removing unneeded modules, lowering memory_limit and others |
| 01:38.38 | suffix | yeah |
| 01:38.49 | suffix | I am going to look into nginx if php-fsm doesn't work |
| 01:38.54 | elvisthedj | can anybody give me some aptitude help? I have this issue on about 50 packages that I need working Depends: python (< 2.7) but 2.7.3-4 is installed |
| 01:39.01 | Towzzer | nginx requires php-fpm |
| 01:39.13 | Tekra | Lighttpd might be easier to configure but you can do some wicked cool stuff in nginx. |
| 01:39.15 | suffix | interesting |
| 01:39.16 | Tekra | Towzzer: Untrue. |
| 01:39.27 | suffix | what exactly are httpd clients? |
| 01:39.32 | Tekra | It's better to use fpm but fastcgi still works better |
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| 01:39.45 | elvisthedj | tried update, upgrade .. -f .. same problem. |
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| 01:40.09 | Tekra | httpd is http daemon, clients are everything from wget to curl to web browsers (ie, firefox, chrome, safari, opera, lynx, links, w3m, etc) |
| 01:40.42 | Towzzer | fastcgi is the module for nginx that interacts with backend processes |
| 01:40.44 | Towzzer | like php-fqm |
| 01:40.48 | Towzzer | php-fpm |
| 01:40.52 | Towzzer | both are required |
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| 01:41.46 | Tekra | Package `php5-fpm' is not installed and no info is available. |
| 01:42.17 | Tekra | I have no php-fpm installed and my php works. |
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| 01:43.08 | gnarface | possibly required for wheezy+later, but not in its own package for squeeze? |
| 01:43.14 | gnarface | (or named something else?) |
| 01:43.37 | gnarface | recommends avoiding using php in *cgi mode |
| 01:43.46 | Tekra | yea im using /usr/bin/php-cgi |
| 01:43.51 | Tekra | Why? |
| 01:44.21 | gnarface | its slow, its less secure, and it changes fundamentals of the php runtime environment in ways that can make your php non-portable. |
| 01:44.56 | gnarface | but primarily because chances are when you're using it its a good sign you thought you had to use it because its the one required by whatever web server you chose. |
| 01:45.29 | gnarface | this is however, what you should be interpreting as a "warning sign" that you've made a critical misjudgement about what web server you should be using for this task |
| 01:45.50 | Tekra | I just use it because it was easy to setup and works |
| 01:45.55 | gnarface | basically, if you need fcgi-mode php to support your webserver, you probably either should NOT be using php in the first place, or at least not be using that webserver for what you're doing |
| 01:46.06 | Tekra | What exactly does fpm do? |
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| 01:46.34 | gnarface | Tekra: it looks like its only needed for [f]cgi |
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| 01:46.56 | Tekra | Should i be using it instead of php-cgi in my fcgi wrapper? |
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| 01:47.23 | gnarface | well you can do what you like |
| 01:47.31 | gnarface | but what i've been trying to suggest is "neither" |
| 01:48.04 | Tekra | So how should i use php from nginx then? Apache is a beast i dont ever want to go back to |
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| 01:48.30 | gnarface | that, unfortunately, is your tactical error |
| 01:48.32 | Tekra | fastcgi php just "worked" in lighttpd and that working transitioned well when we moved to nginx |
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| 01:49.09 | gnarface | yea uh... you didn't hammer hard on either did you? |
| 01:49.31 | gnarface | apache is really not bad |
| 01:49.36 | gnarface | it is a beast but its a tame beast |
| 01:49.40 | gnarface | you just have to read the docs |
| 01:49.42 | Tekra | gnarface: No, my appliance doesnt get beaten on often |
| 01:50.00 | Tekra | I used to use apache tons, but any way it goes its not nearly as lean as the other choices these days |
| 01:50.32 | gnarface | i wonder if you can examine your last two statements and point out the cognitive dissonance yourself? |
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| 01:52.07 | gnarface | if [performance doesn't matter, no load] then [must use leanest choice EVAR!!!!one!111] |
| 01:52.13 | gnarface | understand the problem with that? |
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| 01:52.26 | gnarface | besides which there really isn't anything about using php in fcgi mode that's easier |
| 01:52.47 | gnarface | if you could pull that off in lighttpd i recommend you try apache again but just you know... make sure you eat breakfast this time first |
| 01:53.51 | nevyn | Tekra: nginx is the new black but it's far less capable than apache. |
| 01:53.59 | gnarface | Tekra: in debian most people have trouble with php installation simply because they don't realize that php-cli, php-cgi and mod-php all use separate config files (unlike other systems) |
| 01:55.15 | Avernos | i am trying to fix the EFI, and grub with my debian. What is the bootloader path? /NST/nst_linux.mbr ? |
| 01:55.25 | suffix | how can I get dmesg to show real timestamps instead of "time since boot" stamps? |
| 01:55.29 | gnarface | Tekra: so if your problem was [OMG can't get this working its ignoring php.ini!!!FUCCCCK!!] then do a: find /etc/php5 -iname *.ini |
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| 01:56.10 | gnarface | suffix: i thought it was a kernel setting |
| 01:56.28 | gnarface | suffix: sorry i've got nothing more specific |
| 01:56.57 | Tekra | gnarface: No, it worked it just wasnt working as efficiently by far as it does now, even with much tuning. This box is very close to maxed out CPU usage and ram. Using apache+php+zoneminder, i could only service 8 cameras without it being overloaded, with nginx,fcgi php, motion and vlc, i comfortably handle 16. |
| 01:57.23 | Tekra | suffix: Look at sysctl -a|less |
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| 01:57.42 | gnarface | Tekra: unless its got less than 512MB of ram i think that means you're still loading a lot of apache modules you don't actually need |
| 01:58.55 | Tekra | gnarface: 4gb, but at least 3gb is video in transit at any given moment, either from the v4l2 devices, being buffered to stream, or being trnascoded for writing to disk. Video is quite a hog, much more so than we ever thought at the start of this project |
| 01:58.58 | gnarface | Tekra: mysql by default uses 100MB of completely useless dead ram space too if you forget to disable InnoDB and aren't actually using it |
| 01:59.15 | Tekra | i have no mysql |
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| 01:59.55 | Tekra | got a very lean postgresql setup, for the small bit of db usage i have. i was using sqlite but locking became problematic with multiple users |
| 02:00.17 | gnarface | the rest of the php memory footprint is mostly just cached code. don't include your whole include tree on pages that only use one or two of the classes... don't hold onto all your database resources throughout the whole request (close unused handles immediately and don't open ones you aren't using) |
| 02:00.46 | gnarface | don't use 3rd party php frameworks (zend explodes my average code memory footprint by 400%) |
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| 02:01.33 | gnarface | and apache optimization is relatively easy especially if you don't need rewrites |
| 02:01.42 | gnarface | basically just unload modules you don't need |
| 02:01.49 | gnarface | nobody needs shit like mod_speling |
| 02:01.57 | gnarface | that shit should never have existed in the first place |
| 02:02.08 | Tekra | yea, i generally ran just mod_php, mod_perl, and i believe mod_index |
| 02:02.35 | gnarface | really? so you disabled the default ones? the base debian apache install enables like 20 some odd modules.. they don't even all come to mind |
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| 02:02.55 | gnarface | (symlinked in /etc/apache2/modules-enabled |
| 02:03.05 | gnarface | er, mods-enabled |
| 02:03.06 | gnarface | sorry |
| 02:03.39 | asterismo | i got an error trying to open a ZIP file in fresh installed debian testing |
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| 02:04.20 | Tekra | gnarface: yea, i tried and tried to like zoneminder. I tried to make it not drag my box into the ground and it simply didnt happen so i grabbed lighttpd, motion and a bit of beer and made something that did work |
| 02:04.26 | gnarface | asterismo: was the error something like "bash: zip: command not found" ? |
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| 02:05.25 | asterismo | Could not open archive, MIME-type unsupported or file did not exist. I use debian testing XFCE |
| 02:05.54 | gnarface | Tekra: well its a common story but you should know that its one i mostly hear from clients explaining this justification to me after hiring me to switch them back to apache so shit will work and scale right |
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| 02:06.39 | gnarface | asterismo: you do *have* the unzip package installed right? |
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| 02:08.56 | gnarface | Tekra: even for 8 video feeds that seems like you're running out of ram a little fast though. 4GB should be ... a lot more than you need for 8 clients. i've never used zoneminder... how are the actual video streams encoded and transferred? maybe you can free some overhead by switching to a lighter video codec? or at least one that's not so hard on the cpu. if you're transcoding in there maybe you can insert a ffmpeg pipe somew |
| 02:08.58 | gnarface | here in the mix to trade some bitrate in for cpu? |
| 02:09.08 | asterismo | if i try to open through Squeeze (archive manager for XFCE), it opens a blank file |
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| 02:09.27 | asterismo | gnarface, i dunno |
| 02:09.40 | gnarface | asterismo: can you try this for me? open a terminal and try to unzip it with: unzip [filename] |
| 02:09.54 | gnarface | asterismo: my going hypothesis is still that you are missing the unzip program |
| 02:10.14 | gnarface | asterismo: window manager file browsers aren't always good at giving you relevant sounding errors |
| 02:10.28 | gnarface | asterismo: (sorry i'm not familiar with yours in any way) |
| 02:12.15 | asterismo | gnarface, no, i don't have the unzip command |
| 02:12.26 | gnarface | asterismo: you will need it |
| 02:12.31 | asterismo | apt-get what? |
| 02:12.36 | themill | dpkg: tell asterismo about search |
| 02:12.36 | gnarface | apt-get install unzip |
| 02:12.59 | gnarface | asterismo: in general: apt-get update && apt-get install [package name] |
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| 02:13.40 | gnarface | oh god i just had a horrible idea |
| 02:13.44 | gnarface | i hate when i have ideas like this |
| 02:14.24 | gnarface | what if someone made a program that just looked for every time you typed a command that bash would say doesn't exist, and use apt-file and apt-get to find and install it |
| 02:14.40 | gnarface | so instead of a error message you just get a slight delay and it uses more of your disk space |
| 02:14.43 | themill | ,i command-not-found |
| 02:14.45 | gnarface | then you never have to know what you had installed or not |
| 02:14.47 | judd | Package command-not-found (admin, optional) in squeeze/i386: Suggest installation of packages in interactive bash sessions. Version: 0.2.38-1; Size: 12.7k; Installed: 144k |
| 02:14.53 | gnarface | snorts |
| 02:14.59 | gnarface | nice |
| 02:15.09 | gnarface | old news i guess |
| 02:15.23 | themill | You'll see your /etc/bash.bashrc has hooks for it already |
| 02:15.33 | gnarface | wow |
| 02:15.42 | Tekra | gnarface: they start out as raw YUV 640x480 at 24fps, get encoded to 16fps barely compressed mjpeg, for use by DVR backend and transcoded to mpeg4, because its literally the only format all the target devices (android, html5 in chrome, and iOS) support |
| 02:16.17 | gnarface | ouch |
| 02:16.27 | gnarface | can't even use h264? |
| 02:16.50 | Tekra | h264 doesnt work problem in chrome on windows or older android |
| 02:17.14 | gnarface | are you sure its not just a problem with non-aac audio in the h264 stream? |
| 02:17.25 | Tekra | theres no audio |
| 02:17.33 | gnarface | oh, security cameras,right |
| 02:17.38 | Tekra | yea |
| 02:17.45 | Tekra | We have many thieves around here |
| 02:17.52 | Tekra | and vandals |
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| 02:18.43 | gnarface | well what i'd be trying to do was find some way to get ffmpeg taking stdin from the camera v4l2 devices, and piping it to standard out in some non-raw, already-compressed format. then you aren't piping raw video through the system at all, and you're not encoding twice, and you can start in mpeg4 at least |
| 02:19.03 | gnarface | should overall save cpu *and* memory |
| 02:19.08 | gnarface | less moving parts |
| 02:19.14 | asterismo | how do i install icedove in spanish? |
| 02:19.25 | asterismo | the whole system is in spanish but not icedove |
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| 02:20.10 | Tekra | Still have to make the mjpeg stream for the backwend |
| 02:20.17 | Tekra | DVR backend |
| 02:20.29 | gnarface | it requires mjpeg? |
| 02:20.37 | Tekra | or raw v4l. Then i cant stream |
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| 02:20.48 | gnarface | wtf dvr is that? |
| 02:20.51 | Tekra | Something to multiplex v4l2 dev between several programs would be great |
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| 02:21.10 | Tekra | gnarface: motion. It has (shitty) mjpeg streaming support. But mostly its just a REALLY good motion recording program |
| 02:21.21 | gnarface | hrm |
| 02:21.24 | Tekra | theres some v4l2loopback stuff, but its been broken for years |
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| 02:21.45 | gnarface | well unless you can swap that part out for something better it sounds like you've painted yourself into the corner |
| 02:21.57 | gnarface | mjpeg sucks ass |
| 02:22.01 | Tekra | gnarface: There's not anything better for motion detection |
| 02:22.07 | Tekra | oh definitely i hate it |
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| 02:23.05 | gnarface | maybe you can tweak the jpeg recording options at the camera end to add blur? like 2% blur can often reduce jpeg data density significantly without any effective degredation of quality (just smooths out existing jpeg artifacts) |
| 02:23.06 | Tekra | If i could grab video from v4l2 dev, put it into a pipe that motion could read from (maybe using fuse fs?) and vlc or ffmpeg could read from to stream, it'd work so much better |
| 02:23.22 | Tekra | gnarface: the mjpeg is just how it gets fed into motion |
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| 02:23.33 | Tekra | motion writes proper videos using ffmpeg |
| 02:23.54 | Tekra | It just has two options for input, v4l2 device or mjpeg stream like from an IP camera |
| 02:23.57 | abrotman | points at #debian-offtopic |
| 02:24.51 | gnarface | Tekra: yea we're not supposed to be flooding the channel with kvetching |
| 02:25.09 | gnarface | abrotman likes it quiet |
| 02:25.52 | abrotman | likes it on-topic |
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| 02:35.52 | shellox_ | hi, is anyone using KVM/libvirt on debian? I try to reboot a VM with virsh reboot, but it brings up the following error: https://gist.github.com/anonymous/1b48453be8a4fee1d8e5 |
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| 02:43.14 | fulcan | I am trying to redo a partition on sda3 and break off a chunk and turn it into swap but fdisk won't allow me to specify an 'end block'. this what I have to work with -> http://pastie.org/7145355 no clue. |
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| 02:44.00 | elvisthedj | if someone could look at this aptitude error and give me an idea, i would appreciate. lots of googling, no answer :/ http://pastebin.com/MmNyx1m0 |
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| 02:45.41 | fulcan | elvisthedj try installing sabnzbdplus by it's self |
| 02:45.55 | stew | elvisthedj: looks like you are part of the way through an upgrade from stable to testing/unstable, is that right? |
| 02:46.32 | gnarface | shellox_: i just started using them but from behind the opennebula backend so i'm not 100% clear on the limitations but i've seen stuff that can't be rebooted due to the image format/VM configuration/network configuration so maybe its a cloned node that has to be destroyed and re-instantiated perhaps? |
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| 02:46.49 | stew | (well I know that is right, but I'm wondering if you know that this is what you are doing :) ) |
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| 02:47.43 | bublik | i just did a fresh net install of wheezy and followed the iwlwifi wiki to install the firmware and when i do iwconfig it doesnt bring up wireless |
| 02:47.46 | elvisthedj | stew: I was installing a package for gui scripting (looking for the name of it) .. it stopped part way through with these errors |
| 02:48.00 | bublik | it worked fine when i tried it in squeeze before |
| 02:48.09 | gnarface | shellox_: also lots of stuff use kvm/libvirt behind the scenes; perhaps your issue is a conflict with some front-end configuration rules? |
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| 02:48.26 | stew | elvisthedj: the problem is that you have partially upgraded from stable to testing/unstable, you need to finish doing that |
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| 02:49.09 | fulcan | how can a partition 'not' end on a cylinder boundry? Partition 3 does not end on cylinder boundary. |
| 02:49.27 | stew | elvisthedj: to do an upgrade from squeeze to wheezy you should be following chapter 4 of the wheezy release notes |
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| 02:49.57 | stew | fulcan: if the end block is not the last block on a cylinder |
| 02:50.08 | elvisthedj | stew: i only did apt-get install sikuli-ide .. i didn't add any repositories, so i'm not sure how i got so screwed up.. but i will try your advice |
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| 02:50.22 | elvisthedj | stew: wasn't trying to upgrade debian |
| 02:50.23 | stew | elvisthedj: can you show us the output of apt-cache policy |
| 02:50.40 | stew | elvisthedj: well you have gotten at least python from testing/unstable instead of stable |
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| 02:51.14 | stew | elvisthedj: and libc is upgraded |
| 02:51.33 | stew | oh, only part of libc |
| 02:51.51 | elvisthedj | stew: http://pastebin.com/RyPRat65 |
| 02:51.53 | fulcan | stew how do I fix this so it is not weird anymore and can I delete sda3 and redo it so it is split in 2? fdisk fails to assign an end block http://pastie.org/7145355 |
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| 02:52.24 | elvisthedj | stew: to clarify, i have added repositories.. i just didn't do anything special for this package i was trying to install .. still new to aptitude (coming from portage) |
| 02:52.33 | stew | fulcan: fix what exactly? what do you mean by "fails to assign an end block" |
| 02:53.08 | stew | oh boy a mix of ubuntu and debian? |
| 02:53.22 | bublik | i just did a fresh net install of wheezy and followed the iwlwifi wiki to install the firmware and when i do iwconfig it doesnt bring up wireless |
| 02:53.28 | elvisthedj | stew: not on purpose :( |
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| 02:54.08 | fulcan | stew http://pastie.org/7145472 |
| 02:54.20 | stew | elvisthedj: can you show the output of "apt-cache policy python libc-dev-bin" |
| 02:55.19 | shellox_ | gnarface: i don't use a frontend |
| 02:55.34 | elvisthedj | stew: http://pastebin.com/JK1rRPts |
| 02:55.36 | stew | fulcan: weird |
| 02:55.39 | shellox_ | gnarface: i installed kvm on 2 servers(default installation, no config modified) and it cames up with the same issue |
| 02:55.41 | themill | elvisthedj: btw I'm thinking of adding that to my "sources.list hall of (s)hame" |
| 02:55.44 | fulcan | stew after 'First cylinder (31-60906, default 31):' it's supposed to ask for the end block so I can make a 4th partition |
| 02:56.04 | elvisthedj | themill: that's helpful. go for it. |
| 02:56.04 | shellox_ | so i may just build an alias for it which does virsh start vmname;virsh stop vmname |
| 02:56.13 | stew | elvisthedj: so you see that, they are from wheezy, which is testing |
| 02:56.46 | waynr | when is wheezy going to be released? |
| 02:57.04 | stew | waynr: RSN |
| 02:57.08 | themill | waynr: soonâ„¢ |
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| 02:57.38 | waynr | stew: RSN? |
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| 02:57.58 | stew | !rsn |
| 02:57.59 | dpkg | [rsn] Real Soon Now (see <wir> and <siyh>), or Robust Security Network: the Wi-Fi Alliance's full 802.11i implementation (aka WPA2, see <wpa>). |
| 02:58.09 | stew | !wir |
| 02:58.10 | dpkg | well, wir is When It's Ready. See also <rsn> and <siyh>. |
| 02:58.24 | waynr | !siyh |
| 02:58.25 | dpkg | well, siyh is Sooner If You Help. How? http://qa.debian.org/ , http://wiki.debian.org/BSP |
| 02:58.30 | waynr | heheh |
| 02:59.06 | waynr | okay i'll help |
| 03:00.18 | waynr | according to http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/ there are only 59 RC bugs left |
| 03:01.52 | waynr | 24 have patches, 3 with fixes prepared and waiting upload |
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| 03:05.48 | stew | and one more marked as either can-defer or will-remove |
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| 03:06.13 | stew | looks like this is the only one marked explicitly as a release blocker (will not get a defer/remove tagging): http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=645713 |
| 03:07.05 | elvisthedj | stew: If I correct the sources is there anyway to unscrew myself? At least with python..or am I in a start over situation? |
| 03:07.11 | waynr | yeah i was just looking at that one, there seems to be some disagreement over whether it should still be open |
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| 03:07.58 | stew | elvisthedj: I think your best bet is to follow chapter 4 of the wheezy release notes |
| 03:08.21 | bublik | can someone help me out please |
| 03:08.45 | elvisthedj | stew: thanks :) |
| 03:08.46 | stew | waynr: one of the people experiencing the bug is an RM |
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| 03:09.20 | boudiccas | I'm trying to use 'adb' and when its connected to my mobile via the usb cable , i get an error message saying 'error: insufficient permissions for device'. how do i change the permissions of my mobile under linux please? |
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| 03:10.12 | boudiccas | its not OT, its running linux in the form of 'ice cream sandwich' |
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| 03:10.27 | Jason | does debian support crontab @reboot's? |
| 03:10.32 | stew | boudiccas: search for udev on this page: http://developer.android.com/tools/device.html |
| 03:10.37 | Jason | i'm trying to run a script every reboot and it doesn't seem to be working. |
| 03:10.49 | Jason | i've got @reboot /bin/bash /root/iptables.sh |
| 03:10.50 | stew | Jason: yes, it does |
| 03:10.55 | Jason | stew: hrm. |
| 03:11.03 | Jason | stew: when I run the command from my terminal, it works fine |
| 03:11.07 | stew | Jason: the right place to run that script is from a pre-up line in /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 03:11.28 | stew | Jason: man 5 interfaces |
| 03:11.48 | waynr | stew: RM? |
| 03:11.50 | Jason | stew: just throw it in at the bottom? |
| 03:11.55 | waynr | ah, release manager |
| 03:11.57 | stew | waynr: release manager |
| 03:12.08 | stew | Jason: into the stanza for the interface you want to protect |
| 03:12.19 | stew | assuming this is firewalling to limit access |
| 03:12.35 | Jason | stew: this is forwarding :80 to :5000 |
| 03:12.54 | stew | then add it as up (which is the same as post-up) for the interface you are forwarding on |
| 03:14.11 | Jason | stew: i've copied it to /etc/network/if-up.d/- doesn't seem to do anything, still |
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| 03:14.25 | Jason | i suppose i'm doing something totally wrong. |
| 03:14.26 | stew | it wouldn't work there with that filename, because of the . |
| 03:14.36 | Jason | tries. |
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| 03:14.57 | stew | if its just a single rule add it as an "up" in interfaces |
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| 03:15.23 | Jason | stew: aha |
| 03:15.30 | Jason | stew: thank you. that worked. |
| 03:15.53 | stew | like "up iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -p tcp -i eth0 --dport 80 -j DNAT --to 1.2.3.4:5000" or whatever |
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| 03:16.33 | Jason | stew: i just threw it in the if-up.d |
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| 03:19.08 | stew | yeah, those directories (as is true of most .d directories which are a bunch of scripts) are processed by run-parts which has the weird gotcha of ignoring any files with a period in their name |
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| 03:23.35 | Jason | stew: anyway, thanks :) |
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| 03:25.41 | asterismo | i need help |
| 03:25.51 | asterismo | how do i install enigmail in icedove? |
| 03:25.53 | asterismo | please |
| 03:26.06 | asterismo | it does not show in addons |
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| 03:33.08 | boudiccas | stew: thanks for that link, adb is now installed on my mobile :) |
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| 03:41.53 | ghostconn | hello I just installed 12:10 and I love it! however im having an issue finding my graphics driver I have a Ati hd 6870 |
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| 03:44.18 | waynr | ghostconn: did you install Ubuntu 12.10? |
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| 03:51.38 | somiaj | ghostconn: this is #debian, sounds like you ment to find #ubuntu |
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| 03:59.37 | Sadpanda | Does anyone know (or can someone please link me to documentation) how Debian/Linux knows which devices I connect to the computer? I mean it's amazing how I put a flash stick in Windows and it has to install drivers but in Debian it immediately sees it. So how does this work. The kernel already has the drivers FOR EVERY DEVICE? |
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| 04:02.52 | gnarface | Sadpanda: not *every* device. occasionally you will plug in one that it does not recognize. |
| 04:03.23 | MrMonkey1 | uh well but storage devices are pretty minimalized in terms of their software requirements |
| 04:03.25 | Sadpanda | gnarface: But how does it do it? I mean a printer, it instantly sees it, or a usb, i can instantly use it. But in Windows it takes so long to install drivers, etc. |
| 04:03.43 | Sadpanda | So does Linux already have the modules for 434354534534 devices? |
| 04:04.01 | gnarface | Sadpanda: maybe you should be asking the microsoft support irc channel this. why would we know why windows sucks so much? ;-p |
| 04:04.22 | Sadpanda | hahah, well I'm just curious how linux works and want to learn more :) |
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| 04:04.43 | Forced | most devices share hardware |
| 04:04.49 | gnarface | Sadpanda: well not that many devices; keep in mind that many types of devices (printers and usb devices especially) can be run by generic drivers, or driver frameworks in the kernel (not sure the correct terminology there) that allow them to share a large amount of code |
| 04:04.51 | Forced | well at least many of the common ones |
| 04:05.18 | Sadpanda | Oh I see, so Windows drivers are just bloat then |
| 04:05.24 | gnarface | yes |
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| 04:06.05 | MrMonkey1 | aw. I like to think of it more as "creamy filling" |
| 04:06.10 | gnarface | in most cases when you plug in a usb flash key windows doesn't actually *need* what it just claimed to have installed. if that fails you will still be able to access the key, i think. (i guess don't quote me on that) |
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| 04:06.24 | gnarface | cause that's just the USB spec |
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| 04:07.15 | gnarface | but people have bolted extra crap on to it |
| 04:07.22 | Sadpanda | gnarface: Also, completely unrelated. I am looking to tinker and learn more about Debian by trying to install a home mail server/ and or server to access from anywhere I'd be. Do you happen to know, or link me to some documentation on the minimum PC requirements in order to accomplish such a thing? (I looked up already on google but it was inconclusive) |
| 04:07.41 | gnarface | i assume what windows is doing its providing a transport mechanism for proprietary usb devices to auto-install software |
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| 04:08.26 | gnarface | Sadpanda: for a home mail server i doubt you're gonna find anything that will still run that is too slow to at least work (don't expect super low latency or anything) |
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| 04:08.51 | gnarface | Sadpanda: my home mail server is dual p2 450's |
| 04:09.32 | Sadpanda | gnarface: that is Pentium 2 o_O ? |
| 04:09.56 | stew | Sadpanda: yes, but there is no reason you'd need anything that powerful |
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| 04:10.01 | Tekra | i've got a 800mhz 686 class server here for mail and irc |
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| 04:10.21 | Tekra | $20 thin client, came with 256mb disk on chip (SSD) and 1gb ram. |
| 04:10.22 | Sadpanda | stew: so basically, even the worst computer with the lowest power consumption will do that, right? |
| 04:10.22 | gnarface | Sadpanda: yea. and i've booted it on slower p2 systems, recently. i've got a toshiba laptop that still works that is a p2-233 with 186mb of ram. i think as long as you have 512MB of ram you're good for whatever you should need. |
| 04:10.48 | Sadpanda | Oh, for email server and ftp, do I have to buy a domain name or how does that work? |
| 04:11.03 | Tekra | you can get dyndns from somewhere like afraid.org for free |
| 04:11.25 | Tekra | there's several programs to update it in debian automatically, inadyn works well in my experience |
| 04:11.56 | gnarface | Sadpanda: if you want your email to be recognized by your buddy's yahoo/gmail/hotmail/whatever accounts instead of being instantly bounced as spam, you do need to buy a domain |
| 04:12.02 | Sadpanda | Tekra: so you have a 800mhz 686 and you can get your own email@ your domain etc. etc. and it's all in your computer and private correct? |
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| 04:12.17 | gnarface | Sadpanda: but its not a technical requirement for actually sending/receiving mail |
| 04:12.18 | Sadpanda | gnarface: oh, damn :( |
| 04:12.49 | Tekra | Somewhat private. most mail travels from origination to you somewhere along the way non ssl/tls |
| 04:13.07 | gnarface | Sadpanda: a static ip also will be almost a practical necessity, for the same reason. |
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| 04:13.10 | Tekra | If its only mail between local users and you use precautions like forcing ssl/tls then sure |
| 04:13.20 | stew | Sadpanda: why on earth would you use ftp? |
| 04:13.28 | w|t | sftp |
| 04:14.00 | Sadpanda | stew: oh, i just meant to be able to access files, not necessarily ftp |
| 04:14.30 | w|t | scp? |
| 04:14.44 | Sadpanda | no idea yet. I will research more once I set it up |
| 04:15.14 | gnarface | Sadpanda: in general what you want to do is just use openssh for everything |
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| 04:15.44 | Sadpanda | gnarface: yeah of course. Btw, how much power does your p2 consume? |
| 04:15.57 | Sadpanda | Tekra: What much power does your 686 use? |
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| 04:16.37 | gnarface | Sadpanda: a lot more than its worth probably. you'd be better off with like a raspberry pi or something else of similar draw |
| 04:16.51 | stew | a dual p2 will consume lots of power, probably |
| 04:17.21 | gabedwrds | I'm only just noticing this, but there are really cheap Atom boxes that are perfect for basic servers |
| 04:17.37 | gnarface | stew: can't be THAT much though because its on the same circuit with 4 other machines and i've never flipped the breaker |
| 04:17.42 | Sadpanda | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:18.17 | Sadpanda | gabedwrds: yeah I was looking earlier and they go for 50-100$ or so. |
| 04:18.26 | gnarface | stew: between them, this computer and the AC my electricity bill *is* ugly |
| 04:19.04 | gabedwrds | IMO you'd be better off going with something x86, versus a hobbyist toy with an ARM chip like the raspberry pi |
| 04:19.09 | Tekra | Sadpanda: Not much, its a thin client. |
| 04:19.23 | gnarface | Sadpanda: i'm not sure its the *lowest* but you'd have to go to a lot more trouble to install linux on something actually lighter. there are several other slightly more expensive but also more powerful machines in that form factor on the market though |
| 04:19.32 | Tekra | Via chipset, low power stuff. Nemiah i believe. 686 with CMOV |
| 04:19.34 | gnarface | Sadpanda: also you could like... jailbreak an iphone or something heinous too |
| 04:20.00 | Sadpanda | gabedwrds: What is the reason behind that? More support for x86 then for ARM correct? (i.e. programs, etc.) |
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| 04:20.14 | gabedwrds | pretty much, yeah. ARM servers are uncommon. |
| 04:20.18 | gnarface | its true arm compatibility is weak in general |
| 04:20.27 | Tekra | I believe the power supply for them is 5A 12V DC |
| 04:20.37 | gnarface | no |
| 04:20.40 | gnarface | its much lower than that |
| 04:20.51 | gnarface | oh sorry Tekra you weren't talking about the pi |
| 04:20.53 | themill | arm compatibility within debian is excellent -- that isn't a concern |
| 04:20.59 | Tekra | no, thin client x86's |
| 04:21.15 | gnarface | raspberry pi draws 5v ~0.5a |
| 04:21.17 | Tekra | thats with hard drive, pci slot, usb powers |
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| 04:22.17 | Tekra | im sure they draw much less than 5A, i believe i've ran them off as low as 2A, which is 24W with SSD and no PCI card |
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| 04:22.50 | Tekra | 2A might have been with the wifi dongle, i cant remember |
| 04:22.55 | gnarface | Sadpanda: so the thing i've primarily noticed is that 64MB seems to be the minimum you can install with without having issues but at that little memory even 100MB more will significantly increase your tcp/ip throughput |
| 04:23.19 | gabedwrds | my atom box used around 20W IIRC, with a 3.5" hard drive |
| 04:23.44 | Tekra | hm so yea 2A sounds about right then. ~24W |
| 04:24.37 | Sadpanda | gnarface: Yeah, I won't be that cheap :) |
| 04:24.58 | waynr | ARM servers are probably going to become much more common with ARMv8 :D |
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| 04:25.16 | Sadpanda | gnarface: Oh btw, what did you mean by having a static ip. I have no idea how servers work yet. what would be the pitfalls for a dynamic IP? |
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| 04:27.58 | gabedwrds | for most purposes you can use a dynamic DNS service to get around those issues (for a casual home server at least), but it's a problem for mail. lots of major email servers just discard anything that comes from a dynamic IP |
| 04:28.03 | gnarface | Sadpanda: well you'd have to go through extra effort to keep your DNS records updated so that email would work right (as in, public email servers will cooperate with you) and no matter how well you automate it you'll still periodically be sabotaged by propagation delays whence its possible for other email servers to receive your (possibly sensitive) email (however unlikely it would be that they would notice and do anything unsavo |
| 04:28.03 | gnarface | ry with it) |
| 04:28.12 | Tekra | any urls for reducing disk writes on debian on a usb stick? |
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| 04:28.54 | gnarface | Sadpanda: and yes as gabedwrds brings up, there's the spam filtering thing too. major email carriers will just refuse anything even remotely suspicious looking, and it doesn't get more suspicious than a dyndns hostname with a dynamic ip |
| 04:29.24 | Sadpanda | gnarface: damn :( |
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| 04:29.57 | gabedwrds | it's hard to run a home mailserver these days. I used to do it but it's not reliable enough for your everyday email |
| 04:30.04 | Sadpanda | Even then it's worth going throuhg it all just for the learning process. |
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| 04:30.23 | gnarface | gabedwrds: it is if you don't buy cheap bandwidth :-p |
| 04:30.47 | gnarface | Sadpanda: alot of people use gmail to cover the cost |
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| 04:31.38 | gnarface | Sadpanda: you can use gmail as your mail servers and set up forwarders i think |
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| 04:31.54 | gnarface | Sadpanda: then you could get around the ip address thing probably.... but you're right its a big pain |
| 04:32.16 | gnarface | its really much easier to just have a static ip |
| 04:32.28 | Sadpanda | gnarface: funny you mention it because today I saw gmail admittin in my face that the ads are based on my emails which means it reads them etc. which made me consider further getting a home mailserver faster. |
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| 04:32.57 | gnarface | Sadpanda: on the plus side the spam filtering is too so it works incredibly well... |
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| 04:33.23 | nevyn | Sadpanda: that's kinda the deal... |
| 04:33.28 | gnarface | Sadpanda: you will have difficulty getting equivalent spam protection at home, though you can do alright with spamassassin and blacklisting... |
| 04:33.39 | gabedwrds | if they didn't have software scanning your email, you wouldn't get spam protection either |
| 04:34.08 | Sadpanda | Yeah, that was another pitfall for home mail server: being spammed to death. |
| 04:34.26 | gnarface | but you get all the new accounts you could ever want |
| 04:34.54 | gnarface | there are a lot of tradeoffs to consider |
| 04:35.08 | Sadpanda | gabedwrds: Btw do you happen to have a recommendation for a cheap atom box? |
| 04:35.17 | gabedwrds | my issues with running a home mail server were 1) no guaranteed reliability 2) minor software updates breaking the whole IMAP stack, and 3) spam |
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| 04:35.55 | gabedwrds | Sadpanda: I think there are some out now that are explicitly designed to be used as servers, but personally I just had an Intel D525MW board I stuck in a spare case |
| 04:36.21 | gabedwrds | I mention the servers because I think they're kind of neat... but the D525MW was about $79 plus memory storage and case/PSU |
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| 04:37.09 | gabedwrds | it's probably way outdated by now, of course |
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| 04:38.18 | Sadpanda | gabedwrds: yeah, any recommendation for those servers? I don't even know what to look for. I looked up on newegg but they were pricy 300-400$. I was looking for 50-100$ |
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| 04:39.14 | nezzario | Doing a net install and i'm getting "WARNING: The following packages cannot be authenticated!" in /var/syslog when installing busy box.. any idea what the hell? |
| 04:39.23 | gabedwrds | Sadpanda: yeah I'd just ignore the servers, they have a big $ premium for being 1U |
| 04:39.29 | nezzario | i wouldn't care but it stops the install.. |
| 04:39.45 | Sadpanda | Can I post links here? |
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| 04:41.31 | abrotman | depends |
| 04:41.32 | Sadpanda | gabedwrds: so I guess I'm better off building my own with a mini-atx motherboard, right? |
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| 04:42.18 | gabedwrds | Sadpanda: this is kind of similar to what I have http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16856119056 |
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| 04:42.54 | gabedwrds | that one's actually not a bad deal, if they throw in a 64GB SSD |
| 04:43.59 | Sadpanda | gabedwrds: yeah, but it doesnt have that great reviews, do you think those are relevant? |
| 04:44.02 | gabedwrds | alternately you can pick up a motherboard with integrated CPU for $60, case with PSU for another $50, add some RAM and storage... |
| 04:44.11 | abrotman | wonders how this is related to Debian |
| 04:44.43 | Seekanet | wonders how abrotman's comment relates to Debian |
| 04:44.44 | Seekanet | :) |
| 04:44.49 | gabedwrds | Sadpanda: I don't know, it's just an example of what you'd be looking for if you want to do it moderately cheap and very easy. |
| 04:45.53 | Sadpanda | Yeah, and for courtesy to other users we can end it there. You pretty much answered all of my questions. Thanks a lot btw, much appreciated. gnarface tekra Thanks to you too |
| 04:46.06 | Sadpanda | abrotman: Sorry, it all started with asking about a debian mail server, etc. |
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| 04:46.16 | scx_ | hello |
| 04:47.40 | Seekanet | hey |
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| 04:48.48 | scx_ | how long should take compiling linux kernel 2.6.x (x >= 32) or 3.0.x on VIA C3 1.2 GHz (similar to Pentium III ~1 GHz) for ARM Cortex A9 (Nvidia Tegra 2)? |
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| 04:50.00 | nevyn | 4-6 hrs. |
| 04:50.03 | nevyn | depending on config |
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| 04:50.27 | abrotman | he didn't mention how much RAM, nor what else the box is doing |
| 04:50.30 | nevyn | true. |
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| 04:51.24 | nevyn | it's decidedly possible that there's not enough ram in a box that old to avoid swapping while compiling/linking |
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| 04:52.32 | nevyn | so we have a vps. which is another way of doing it. |
| 04:53.03 | nevyn | Sadpanda: ^^ |
| 04:53.30 | scx_ | abrotman: about 1 GB RAM |
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| 04:53.53 | scx_ | it is "home server": NAS (Samba), printing (Samba), etc. |
| 04:55.18 | scx_ | i have Apache/PHP/MySQL installed (for DokuWiki, etc) but it is only for me (now web hosting) |
| 04:56.01 | Sadpanda | nevyn: Oh, that was for me. Well, why would I want to compile, isn't most of the software available already in the repos? |
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| 04:56.48 | nevyn | no no no... |
| 04:57.01 | scx_ | what no? |
| 04:57.09 | nevyn | Sadpanda: as a way to "run your own mail" you could do it on a vps. |
| 04:57.25 | nevyn | scx_: not @you ;) |
| 04:57.43 | Sadpanda | nevyn: vps = virtual private server? You mean renting? |
| 04:57.52 | nevyn | yep |
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| 04:58.31 | Sadpanda | nevyn: yeah I considered that too but I'm too poor :( |
| 05:00.37 | scootypuff | whats the best way to back up my os onto another hard drive? |
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| 05:01.09 | KsM | tar.bz2 everything but /boot, /dev, /proc, /sys and untar it on the other drive? |
| 05:01.33 | nevyn | scootypuff: why? |
| 05:01.58 | scootypuff | i want a hard drive clone as backup |
| 05:02.13 | Gnar | why? |
| 05:02.18 | nevyn | scootypuff: clonezilla |
| 05:02.26 | scootypuff | in case i need to reinstall |
| 05:02.26 | nevyn | boot off usbstick/cd clone hdd |
| 05:02.42 | Gnar | just put it on a cd |
| 05:02.50 | nevyn | Gnar: put what on a cd? |
| 05:02.59 | Gnar | his linux bs or whatever |
| 05:03.19 | Gnar | cant you install that nonsense from a disc? |
| 05:03.48 | scx_ | scootypuff: dd if=/dev/sda1 | gzip -9 > backup.img.gz |
| 05:03.50 | Gnar | then you wont have it crapping up space on a hard drive |
| 05:04.22 | scx_ | scootypuff: you can use ddrescue (gddrescue package) instead of dd if you have bad sectors |
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| 05:04.41 | scx_ | you can also use bzip2 oraz xz instead of gzip |
| 05:04.43 | prompt32 | i'm doing somethng else, and have saves me a lot |
| 05:05.03 | nevyn | scx_: so that's recovery he's asking about prevention aiui |
| 05:05.20 | yellowcard | rsync cliche again? |
| 05:05.25 | nevyn | scx_: and dd if=(mountedblockdevice) of=anything is problems. |
| 05:05.31 | prompt32 | make in another drive a folder, mk a link in yyour OS, and use it as yu like for docs, or ins |
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| 05:05.40 | tMH | hello everyone |
| 05:06.02 | tMH | ppl, I installed ntpd from sources as long I have only local network available (with local ntp servers too) |
| 05:06.21 | tMH | now I want to run ntpd as service. how it can be done, tell me please ? |
| 05:06.23 | prompt32 | if you format your OS drive, you install , lik again , and ok |
| 05:06.32 | nevyn | scootypuff: if you know you had this requirement and configured the system with lvm you could create a lvm snapshot then dd that to another disk |
| 05:06.44 | nevyn | but that doesn't deal with the boot sector which would require special handling |
| 05:06.51 | scx_ | nevyn: he can use LiveCD/LiveDVD, for example Ubuntu or GParted |
| 05:07.06 | nevyn | scx_: but that's an important step ;) |
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| 05:09.07 | scx_ | dd if=/dev/sda instead of dd if=/dev/sda1 |
| 05:09.18 | nevyn | that too ;) |
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| 05:09.21 | scx_ | but it isnt problem to install GRUB from LiveCD/DVD |
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| 05:09.26 | scootypuff | can i use dd to copy my hard drive while its mounted? |
| 05:09.30 | nevyn | no. |
| 05:09.53 | nevyn | well you can but you end up with a pile of not teribly useful bits. |
| 05:10.17 | nevyn | and yes if you ensure it's quiessed during the copy. |
| 05:11.20 | nevyn | but without taking action to ensure it's quiessed no. (and you only get someting crash consistant if you do this) AND it doesn't deal with the boot block etc |
| 05:11.23 | nevyn | scootypuff: ^^ |
| 05:11.37 | scootypuff | ill try booting on a live cd and dd my hdd |
| 05:11.46 | nevyn | scootypuff: grab clonezilla |
| 05:11.50 | nevyn | it exists for this job |
| 05:12.00 | nevyn | and deals with varying geometry etc of hdd's |
| 05:12.30 | nevyn | http://clonezilla.org/ |
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| 05:14.28 | nevyn | tMH: you have ntp servers availible? |
| 05:16.41 | themill | tMH: when you say you installed "from sources" do you mean "apt-get install ..." or downloading the source and compiling it? |
| 05:17.20 | themill | (if you use the debian package, ntpd will start automatically on boot and there's nothing more you need do) |
| 05:17.48 | scx_ | service ntp start |
| 05:17.52 | scx_ | or ntpd |
| 05:18.11 | tMH | nevyn - yes, but not ports opened to the world |
| 05:18.12 | scx_ | you can check: service ntp status |
| 05:18.22 | tMH | nevyn - downloaded .tgz and installed it |
| 05:18.42 | nevyn | why? |
| 05:18.53 | scx_ | why that? |
| 05:18.54 | themill | scx_: that only works if you have an init script for the service |
| 05:19.04 | nevyn | tMH: why did you do that? |
| 05:19.16 | tMH | because this host has closed all ports to the world |
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| 05:19.33 | tMH | don't know why - yet - trying to solve this moronic rule, but - how to? |
| 05:19.36 | nevyn | tMH: and? |
| 05:19.46 | tMH | nevyn - now I want to run ntpd as service |
| 05:19.48 | tMH | btw |
| 05:19.51 | nevyn | you can download a .tgz but not a .deb? |
| 05:19.58 | tMH | I don't see no "service" installed.. |
| 05:20.07 | tMH | nevyn - I can get .deb, of course |
| 05:20.08 | themill | tMH: if you can downlad a .tgz then you could download the necessary .deb files and just use them |
| 05:20.17 | scx_ | themill: dpkg -L ntp | grep init.d/ntp |
| 05:20.18 | tMH | themill - hm. |
| 05:20.27 | lng | Hi! Is it possible to check or list configure options after editing debian/rules? |
| 05:20.29 | scx_ | i have: /etc/init.d/ntp |
| 05:20.31 | themill | scx_: sure... and he's not using the debian package, is he? |
| 05:20.35 | tMH | #dpkg -L ntp | grep init.d/ntp |
| 05:20.36 | tMH | Package `ntp' is not installed. |
| 05:20.42 | tMH | of course it is not installed... |
| 05:20.55 | scx_ | themill: i know, but i didnt know why |
| 05:20.57 | tMH | and I don't have /etc/init.d/ntp isntalled. |
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| 05:21.08 | themill | tMH: it's always simpler to use the debian packages... why not just do that? |
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| 05:21.24 | tMH | themill - I'd glad to ;) |
| 05:21.32 | tMH | wait, my admins are about to open ports;) |
| 05:22.03 | nevyn | but now you've made a mess because you ran make install and have to re-install :( |
| 05:22.15 | tMH | hm. |
| 05:22.34 | tMH | I can trace back scrolllock and remove all files I installed. |
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| 05:22.44 | tMH | scroll , I mean |
| 05:23.18 | nevyn | make uninstall might make it ok. but installing from source on debian makes it not debian usually |
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| 05:24.19 | tMH | hm |
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| 05:30.57 | tMH | heck. |
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| 05:31.05 | tMH | ok, let me try to remove my installation |
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| 05:34.26 | peterrooney | nevyn: what about apt-src? |
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| 05:35.15 | nevyn | peterrooney: that's just being obtuse. |
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| 05:42.06 | Skaag | how does reprepro decide what key to sign the added packages with? |
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| 05:44.52 | Skaag | never mind found it |
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| 06:00.46 | sephii | hey there, I'm looking for a sound player that would allow me to drop several sounds in it, and play some of them together (to create some kind of 'environment'). Any suggestion? |
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| 06:03.17 | abrotman | sephii: audacity is a sound editor? |
| 06:03.25 | abrotman | i bleieve you can load a few tracks to make a new one |
| 06:03.40 | gnarface | you can do it with ffmpeg easily just not with a mouse... |
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| 06:04.37 | sephii | abrotman: well i'm looking for something simpler than a sound editor, like something where you have a button for each sound you want to play, once pushed the sound gets played until unpushed |
| 06:05.00 | yellowcard | just use the mencoder with your own scripts... |
| 06:05.02 | abrotman | thinks that doesn't sound so simple :) |
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| 06:05.20 | Mr_Queue | hahaha |
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| 06:06.01 | yellowcard | people just boot into windows 7 for quickly audio/video editing |
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| 06:06.34 | sephii | (I'd like to use it for RPG atmospheres so I should be able to use it quickly, without having to start typing stuff) |
| 06:06.36 | yellowcard | or use mac os x instead of windows |
| 06:07.21 | nevyn | sephii: ardour? |
| 06:07.28 | sephii | I don't have any windows install, but if nothing exists yet I'll just make one i guess |
| 06:07.35 | abrotman | audacity ... |
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| 06:08.05 | nevyn | I'd find that sort of soundscaping easier in ardour than audacity. |
| 06:08.10 | abrotman | maybe rosegarden too? |
| 06:08.20 | abrotman | does that still exist? |
| 06:08.26 | nevyn | just setup a looping region then dump samples onto tracks until it's done |
| 06:08.38 | nevyn | abrotman: rosegarden is all about midi |
| 06:08.42 | abrotman | or, get a live band for your RPG |
| 06:08.55 | abrotman | nevyn: hello!!! RPG .. midi .. |
| 06:09.01 | abrotman | the 90s called ... |
| 06:09.07 | Mr_Queue | such audacity....... |
| 06:09.22 | sephii | haha :D thanks for your suggestions, I'll give audacity and ardour a try |
| 06:09.37 | yellowcard | rpg = rocket pushed granade? |
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| 06:14.20 | nevyn | sephii: you could use linuxsampler to do that. |
| 06:14.38 | nevyn | but it'd require making an instrument. |
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| 06:16.47 | sephii | nevyn: 'making an instrument'? like in 'hey, why not create an instrument to imitate a wolf howling'?? |
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| 06:22.27 | nevyn | sephii: as in defining c4 = sample1.wav c5=sample2.wav etc etc |
| 06:22.50 | Skaag | I need help understanding why my deb package signing is not working as expected |
| 06:22.51 | hellyeah | is there a gui for html-tidy in debian |
| 06:23.03 | Skaag | I specify my key, sign the repo with that key |
| 06:23.25 | Skaag | on another machine I import that key, but apt-get update still warns about it |
| 06:25.41 | themill | Skaag: how are you importing that key on the other machine? Does "apt-key list" include it? |
| 06:26.33 | Skaag | checking that |
| 06:26.55 | Skaag | yes it lists it |
| 06:27.32 | Skaag | I import it like so: gpg --keyserver hkp://keys.gnupg.net --recv-keys 2B30E011 && gpg -a --export 2B30E011 | sudo apt-key add - |
| 06:28.12 | Skaag | and in my repository's conf/distributions file I have this: SignWith: 2B30E011 |
| 06:28.17 | themill | Skaag: and your repo includes Release and Release.gpg (or InRelease) |
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| 06:28.41 | abrotman | hellyeah: maybe bluefish, unsure |
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| 06:28.59 | Skaag | yes both are there |
| 06:29.48 | themill | Skaag: perhaps you can pastebin the full output of "apt-get update" for us? |
| 06:30.35 | Skaag | the error line is: W: GPG error: http://repo.openwallet.org precise Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY E84655222DB8B4CF |
| 06:30.58 | Skaag | but I don't recognize that public key from anything i've done on my repo |
| 06:30.59 | themill | Skaag: that pubkey is not the one you imported |
| 06:31.17 | Skaag | nor does it exist on the key server |
| 06:31.27 | Skaag | yes I know it's not mine, that's the strange part |
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| 06:32.56 | themill | yeah, well the Release file on that URL is signed by that key «gpgv: Signature made Thu 28 Feb 2013 17:28:40 EST using RSA key ID 2DB8B4CF» |
| 06:33.18 | themill | weren't you only just setting up your repo? is that your repo? that signature is fairly old |
| 06:34.18 | themill | Your web server reports a very different modification time cf the signature time |
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| 06:39.32 | Skaag | should I just erase those release files? |
| 06:39.35 | Skaag | and start again? |
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| 06:40.30 | rmad | i installed debian from usb. Now i want it to act as a source of software. But I can't. |
| 06:41.00 | rypervenche | ;query judd |
| 06:43.11 | abrotman | act as a source ? |
| 06:43.17 | abrotman | oh, the usb drive |
| 06:43.46 | Skaag | themill: I cleaned it up and regenerated and re-signed everything |
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| 06:44.59 | themill | Skaag: did you push your changes to your web server? |
| 06:45.12 | Skaag | yes that's directly done on the web server |
| 06:45.22 | Skaag | or could it be cached, I wonder |
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| 06:45.48 | themill | there's a varnish between me and it |
| 06:46.26 | Skaag | my god yes it was cached by varnish |
| 06:46.31 | Skaag | cleared it |
| 06:46.38 | Skaag | good, it works now |
| 06:46.40 | Skaag | pfew. :) |
| 06:46.46 | Skaag | haha |
| 06:47.21 | themill | hmm... I got given the stale files again just then |
| 06:48.19 | themill | on another machine «gpgv: Signature made Thu 28 Mar 2013 06:43:13 UTC using DSA key ID 2B30E011» |
| 06:48.21 | rmad | abrotman: yea. trying to make it work like a source. without success. can you help? |
| 06:48.58 | themill | Skaag: so yeah, looks good. Make sure your varnish does sensible things with lastmod for Release* and Packages* |
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| 06:49.26 | Skaag | you mean as in, adding a rule not to cache those files? |
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| 06:50.07 | Skaag | it's a very low traffic repository, I could get away with not caching the entire thing at all |
| 06:50.10 | themill | you could consider doing so. Personally, I've come to the conclusion that caches are the word of the devil |
| 06:50.13 | nevyn | Skaag: no just to always do a lastmodified check. |
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| 06:50.16 | themill | *work |
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| 06:50.37 | Skaag | i'm not sure how to do a lastmodified in varnish, i'll look into that |
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| 06:51.26 | themill | just then varnish was telling me it was modified back in Feb when the apache dir index was showing today. And varnish was giving X-Cache: miss but still serving me old content. |
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| 06:52.04 | Skaag | yah it can serve you stale files and be kinda confusing like that |
| 06:52.22 | edogawaconan | hello |
| 06:52.28 | edogawaconan | how do one build ruby in kfreebsd? |
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| 06:52.44 | Skaag | wrong channel? |
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| 06:52.54 | nevyn | themill: word of the devil also works.. (lies) |
| 06:53.02 | themill | yes, apt in this case |
| 06:53.02 | edogawaconan | debian/kfreebsd |
| 06:53.12 | rmad | can anyone help me with my problem please? |
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| 06:53.30 | edogawaconan | I'm getting this error http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=635205 |
| 06:54.39 | lilibox | hi, does this chan is able to help me with samba, i am running Debian 6.0.7 amd64 with standard Samba package as server, I would like to speed up windows7 client connected to this samba server over vpn, any recommendation, i use standard win7 and mapping has been done via net use x: \\...., also no special smb.conf in |
| 06:55.17 | themill | (I thought it was a feature that ruby didn't compile for kfreebsd) |
| 06:55.41 | edogawaconan | ... |
| 06:56.17 | nevyn | lilibox: you probably need to configure it the default optimisations last tiem I lookd were for native samba clients |
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| 07:24.33 | MouseTheLuckyDog | When I do apt-get update, I get the following error: |
| 07:24.36 | MouseTheLuckyDog | W: Failed to fetch http://www.debian-multimedia.org/dists/testing/main/source/Sources 404 Not Found |
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| 07:25.29 | edogawaconan | MouseTheLuckyDog: fix your sources.list, perhaps? |
| 07:25.31 | MouseTheLuckyDog | The entry in my /etc/apt/sources.list is: |
| 07:26.00 | MouseTheLuckyDog | deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org testing main non-free |
| 07:26.21 | themill | MouseTheLuckyDog: debian-multimedia changed its name to deb-multimedia (without making any effort to forward users across correctly) a year or so ago |
| 07:27.22 | Morph4me | just remove that entry from your source list and you will be good to go |
| 07:27.41 | MouseTheLuckyDog | themill, thanks and I've been staring at it for so long and didn' |
| 07:27.47 | MouseTheLuckyDog | t see the difference. |
| 07:27.55 | gnarface | well, or just change it to deb-multimedia if you still want libdvdcss2 updates... |
| 07:28.04 | gnarface | but that's not officially supported :-p |
| 07:28.07 | tMH | ppl, I found all the ntp files those were installed by make install, now I want to know - how to _undo_ such kind of: /bin/sh ../libtool --mode=installntpd '/usr/sbin' ? |
| 07:28.14 | Morph4me | that to |
| 07:28.28 | gnarface | there has only been one since then. |
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| 07:50.31 | scx | hello |
| 07:50.51 | edogawaconan | hello |
| 07:51.05 | scx | what is "debian-6.0.7-i386-xfce+lxde-CD-1.iso"? is it debian installer with xfce/lxde OR livecd? |
| 07:51.34 | scx | what is difference between "debian-6.0.7-i386-CD-1.iso" and "debian-6.0.7-i386-xfce+lxde-CD-1.iso"? |
| 07:51.34 | themill | the livecds have "live" in their name and are the directory with livecds |
| 07:51.53 | themill | !various cd1 |
| 07:51.54 | dpkg | There are CD-1 choices for various DEs (Desktop Environments) - there's one for GNOME, another for KDE, and one for XFCE/LXDE. For example; if you wanted the XFCE/LXDE CD-1 of Debian 6.0 "Squeeze", you'd grab -> debian-6.0.7-i386-xfce+lxde-CD-1.iso from the mirrors (if you were going for i386 arch). Also ask me about <firmware images>, <release notes>, <ig>, <setup.exe>. |
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| 07:52.42 | scx | themill: so debian-6.0.7-i386-CD-1.iso doesnt have X11? |
| 07:54.43 | themill | All of the CDs only install what you actually ask them to install in any case; the only difference is in when you download the packages. |
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| 07:55.01 | tralala | scx, how did you get this idea? |
| 07:55.14 | scx | i know that, but i want to know what packages are on cd |
| 07:56.13 | fooo | http://www.debian.org/CD/faq/#list-image-contents |
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| 07:56.45 | scx | tralala: "debian-6.0.7-i386-xfce+lxde-CD-1.iso" have substring xfce+lxde so it should have lxde and xfce, but debian-6.0.7-i386-CD-1.iso doesnt contain any string like that (gnome, kde, xfce, lxde) |
| 07:57.06 | rww | scx: it has gnome |
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| 07:57.15 | rww | (and thus xorg and such) |
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| 07:57.55 | scx | rww: ok, thanks |
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| 08:10.19 | lng | I don't understand why I have Nginx compiled with http_browser_module if it was disabled in debian/rules... |
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| 08:12.44 | Antani | hi |
| 08:13.49 | fooo | lng: pastebin the build output with DH_VERBOSE enabled |
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| 08:35.51 | milligan | G'morning! I am experiencing some "crackling" in my sound. I am watching a live stream from the NRL, and I am running a couple wine windows in the background. The wine windows don't have any sound in them. The stream is watchable and I understand what is being said, but it's extremely annoying with the crackling. Any ideas? |
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| 08:37.46 | ChrisH | milligan: Not enough CPU power left? I would run atop as root in parallel and check what gets red there. |
| 08:37.48 | dawud | milligan: high CPU usage? |
| 08:38.36 | milligan | In top the cpu load is at 0.30 |
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| 08:39.02 | milligan | Never used atop before, so not quite sure what I'm looking for :) |
| 08:39.11 | ChrisH | milligan: We did not refer to load but CPU Usage, which is a bit different. |
| 08:39.55 | milligan | The "CPU" at the top of atop is at 6% |
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| 08:41.21 | ChrisH | milligan: is there something in any color in atop? |
| 08:41.39 | milligan | There appeared for a few seconds ago .. but it disappeared again |
| 08:41.48 | milligan | one of the cpu lines went red at 60% |
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| 08:43.18 | ChrisH | milligan: watch that a while and compare to your sound crackles... I assume there is some correaltion |
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| 08:43.34 | milligan | It's crackling a bit now, but no reds.. |
| 08:45.04 | STMelon | pulseaudio is the problem |
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| 08:45.26 | milligan | I was going to say. I have killed everything now.. absolutely no load.. and still crackling. |
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| 08:46.12 | milligan | STMelon, any idea how to fix it ? |
| 08:46.23 | STMelon | for me, i just removed the pulseaudio package |
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| 08:48.43 | milligan | I must have dealt with this before. Pulseaudio wasn't even installed :P |
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| 08:51.27 | Iridos | milligan, did you unplug/replug the connection to the speakers? :P |
| 08:52.15 | milligan | Yep |
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| 08:56.28 | milligan | Hmmm, this might be a flashplugin problem |
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| 08:58.08 | milligan | yep - definitely a flash plugin problem |
| 08:58.21 | milligan | Sorry for bugging yous with this :) |
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| 09:07.34 | milligan | How does gnash perform compared to nonfree? |
| 09:08.54 | rww | badly, in my experience |
| 09:09.03 | milligan | opo |
| 09:09.05 | fooo | abandoning flash altogether would be better than trying gnash |
| 09:09.06 | milligan | poo* |
| 09:09.14 | rww | fooo: *nod* |
| 09:09.42 | milligan | Ah, man, I would LOVE to abandon that bastard software. Sucks that all sorts of media embrace it though :( |
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| 09:13.35 | fooo | get-flash-videos replaced all my use of flash |
| 09:13.59 | milligan | This is a live stream though, so hard to download it :( |
| 09:14.37 | yellowcard | is there such thing? |
| 09:15.01 | yellowcard | use right addon for right job - salesmen said |
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| 09:17.12 | fooo | http://code.google.com/p/get-flash-videos/ |
| 09:17.13 | milligan | There's an addon that could help me ? |
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| 09:18.33 | milligan | fooo, could it download this, http://new.livestream.com/accounts/3161248/events/1969654/player_pop_up , so I could watch it live ? |
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| 09:20.13 | fooo | I can't try it at the moment, but if you are on wheezy or have wheezy in your sources.list, apt-get install get-flash-videos and try it out (its command-line) |
| 09:20.29 | milligan | I'm on stable |
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| 09:21.03 | fooo | nevermind, doesn't look like it has a plugin for that yet |
| 09:21.30 | yellowcard | you are absolutely wrong for sure |
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| 09:22.23 | yellowcard | i downloaded utube videos like drinking water |
| 09:23.24 | milligan | I believe fooo is right though. This isn't youtube, and it's a live stream :) |
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| 09:24.56 | yellowcard | lol. who doesn't use utube? |
| 09:25.35 | yellowcard | i guess, each video clip has a copy on utube |
| 09:26.09 | fooo | looks like milligan is looking at live events, so probably not for this |
| 09:26.13 | yellowcard | (if it's legal...) |
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| 09:26.52 | yellowcard | fooo: what's its format? |
| 09:27.27 | milligan | yellowcard, have a look, http://new.livestream.com/accounts/3161248/events/1969654/player_pop_up |
| 09:27.29 | yellowcard | mp4 or webm? |
| 09:27.59 | yellowcard | my browser can't watch any video |
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| 09:29.10 | yellowcard | Sorry, this event isnnot available in your area <- i got this like hulu |
| 09:29.24 | yellowcard | you just need a proxy |
| 09:29.37 | milligan | uh - this is a freely available stream :P |
| 09:29.46 | milligan | Are you in China and being blocked by your gov??:P |
| 09:29.52 | yellowcard | no |
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| 09:30.30 | yellowcard | you can buy a chinese xxoo box (apple tv like) and their servers can serve for your need |
| 09:31.07 | yellowcard | this is a simple way to watch all online video/tv |
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| 09:31.26 | fooo | that stream is blocked in my part of the world too (Australia) |
| 09:31.46 | milligan | You get it live on telly though, you lucky bastard |
| 09:32.09 | joltcan | just get a VPN to HK and you're all set |
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| 09:32.27 | yellowcard | this is a good thin, man. it makes the thing harder to copy for lazy reporters in tv stations |
| 09:33.08 | yellowcard | in local news, anchors and reporters just copy utube videos for news |
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| 09:37.02 | Nath_ | Hi. I'm trying to figure out how to change my default session to Gnome classic, as opposed to the new Gnome Gui. I've done some searching and some guides say to change ~/.xinitrc, but I don't see one in my home directory. Also, I've looked for the setting via the settings menu - couldn't find it. Can anyone suggest a solution? |
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| 09:41.02 | fooo | Nath_: it should be available in the GDM login screen if you have it installed (gnome-session-fallback). if you don't use gdm, then try http://blog.taz.net.au/2011/09/11/gnome-fallback-session/ |
| 09:42.55 | babilen | Nath_: But I would /strongly/ recommend to not rely on it. If you don't like Gnome3 (maybe with some extensions from https://extensions.gnome.org/ ?) switch to a different desktop environment such as XFCE4 -- Gnome 2 is dead. |
| 09:45.20 | Nath_ | I really like XFCE4.10, but I'm waiting for it to become fully supported in testing. Had some problems using it from the experimental branch |
| 09:46.27 | Nik05 | still 55 release critical bugs |
| 09:46.28 | babilen | Nath_: And 4.8 in testing is unusable? |
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| 09:49.48 | Nath_ | It's the aero / window snapping that I really want. When I (someday) get a new machine I'll probably use KDE, But KDE right now is sluggish on my current laptop. I'm aware that you can get this snapping feature on XFCE 4.8, but I like it to be an 'out the box' feature. I'm only using Gnome classic right now because it's all I have - and I'm without an internet connection for about a month! |
| 09:51.29 | babilen | .o( How are you talking to us then? ) |
| 09:51.59 | babilen | Nath_: Well, you know your options. I simply wanted to point out that using gnome-fallback is not really an option. |
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| 10:28.12 | Zeeflo | has anyone here experience with setting up a debian server for streaming with rtmp ? |
| 10:28.28 | Zeeflo | or does anyone know where I can find documentation about the subject? |
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| 10:31.29 | Zeeflo | Anyone? |
| 10:32.39 | babilen | Zeeflo: Take a look at crtmpserver and red5-server (there are probably others) |
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| 10:33.07 | Zeeflo | i want to create our own cdn, to provide video through rtmp |
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| 10:33.28 | Zeeflo | ok |
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| 10:38.51 | babilen | Zeeflo: Note that crtmpserver is not in squeeze, but should be easily backported by following "/msg dpkg ssb" |
| 10:39.08 | babilen | (or just run wheezy) |
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| 10:39.15 | Zeeflo | yea |
| 10:39.28 | Zeeflo | im completely new to CDN / RTMP |
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| 10:39.43 | Zeeflo | right now were using amazon.. but thats getting veeery costly!! |
| 10:39.52 | Zeeflo | so we might as well spend the money and own... |
| 10:39.59 | Zeeflo | it would actually be cheaper... |
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| 11:16.30 | boxcat | Hi there |
| 11:17.39 | boxcat | I'm trying to use live-build on wheezy to create a live-boot sid environment. The process won't finish due to package signing issues |
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| 11:32.07 | haxi | hi there, I've a little basic question, I'm going to change my graphic card, its nvidia and the new is nvidia too. Will it make me reinstall the video driver ? thx |
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| 11:40.48 | professorscience | Hello! Is it possible to install either a .deb file, or a package from apt-get to a different location than the default? I'm out of storage on my main SSD, but have an SD card I have plenty of space on. |
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| 11:41.53 | gnude | you kan specific a file on dpkg with -i |
| 11:42.06 | gnude | dpkg -i /media/usbstick/installme.deb |
| 11:42.06 | dpkg | package /media/usbstick/installme.deb is already installed |
| 11:42.24 | gnude | thanks dpkg |
| 11:42.26 | gnude | :-D |
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| 11:43.41 | professorscience | gnude: so that installs the package from the usb stick, but it'll still go to the usual folders? |
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| 11:44.08 | gnude | the folders stored in the .deb package |
| 11:44.35 | professorscience | right. problem is i haven't enough space for the software unarchived. i'll just try and clear up room... |
| 11:44.44 | gnude | otherwise you can modify the /etc/apt/sources.list but ... then i must give the question back to the channel. i dont know how exact to do that |
| 11:45.23 | professorscience | gnude: nah, i think it's probably impossible, short of chrooting to another installation of debian on the sd card and then making symlinks from every single file required |
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| 11:52.02 | petn-randall | professorscience: You can move some directories over to your SD card, and mount it in-place, but then you won't be able to remove the SD card anymore. |
| 11:52.15 | petn-randall | professorscience: /home is a good candidate for that. |
| 11:53.21 | subthalamus | dpkg pciid 1260:3873 |
| 11:53.22 | dpkg | subthalamus: i haven't a clue |
| 11:53.34 | subthalamus | .pciid 1260:3873 |
| 11:54.08 | gnude | moving home is a good idea |
| 11:54.12 | gnude | or |
| 11:54.24 | gnude | you can grow the filesystem, and shrink the swap file? |
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| 11:54.43 | subthalamus | !pciid |
| 11:54.44 | dpkg | The PCI ID helps us work out how to support your PCI hardware. It looks like [abcd:1234] in the output of "lspci -nn". Ask the bot "judd" to match the PCI ID of the device, e.g. "/msg judd pciid 8086:284b". Some hardware uses alternate means of detection: beware of some false positives+negatives. See also <judd-hardware>, <local pciid>. To find out what currently installed kernel modules your hardware is using, run "lspci -k". |
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| 12:01.52 | W4RH4WK | hello, how can i install mdadm without configuring a raid array |
| 12:02.19 | petn-randall | W4RH4WK: just install it? |
| 12:02.35 | petn-randall | W4RH4WK: you'd have to configure it by hand, anyway. |
| 12:02.58 | W4RH4WK | petn-randall: when i install mdadm via apt-get or aptitude, dpkg configurator pops up asking me which drives i'd want to add to my array |
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| 12:05.52 | petn-randall | W4RH4WK: Which release is that? I don't have that on squeeze. |
| 12:06.38 | W4RH4WK | petn-randall: squeeze (6.0.4) |
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| 12:07.40 | W4RH4WK | petn-randall: strange thing is: i did it yesterday on a dedicated server and it kind messed up (the server did run wheezy) today i tried in a squeeze vm and it does not mess up |
| 12:08.28 | professorscience | petn-randall: but i'd have to re-install... right? |
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| 12:11.41 | gnude | the number of release critical bugs is increasing. |
| 12:11.45 | gnude | :-( |
| 12:12.30 | W4RH4WK | petn-randall: hm, can't reproduce it in my VM - thanks for the help anyway |
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| 12:23.36 | ente | hello |
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| 12:25.45 | ente | I want to install mono 2.10 on a squeeze system. I already added testing and pinned squeeze, but now it fails at the libc6 dependency |
| 12:26.14 | ente | 2.10 depends on libc6 >= 2.13, I have 2.11.3-4 from squeeze. Is there a workaround so I don't have to upgrade to wheezy? |
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| 12:29.56 | petn-randall | professorscience: No, you don't. |
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| 12:32.43 | bolt | abrotman: in case you're there, and for people looking up channel logs on google, the serial console install yesterday did indeed have problems with the graphical boot menu on the cd. what I had to do was bang the escape key repeatedly during boot to get "Aborted.\nboot:" and then enter "install video=off console=ttyS0,9600n8" to get a working serial console installation |
| 12:33.14 | petn-randall | !frankendebian |
| 12:33.14 | dpkg | When you get random packages from random repositories, mix multiple releases of Debian, or mix Debian and derived distributions, you have a mess. There's no way anyone can support this "distribution of Frankenstein" and #debian certainly doesn't want to even try. See if you can convince ##linux to help. |
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| 12:33.38 | petn-randall | ^^ ente, you shouldn't be doing it like that. |
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| 12:33.59 | ente | what am I supposed to do, then? |
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| 12:34.24 | petn-randall | ente: You can either upgrade to wheezy, or backport the package yourself. |
| 12:34.32 | ente | alright, thanks |
| 12:34.47 | petn-randall | ente: Depends on what the machine is and does which way is preferable. |
| 12:35.02 | ente | I'll go for the backporting |
| 12:35.24 | ente | it should be quick enough to just grab the sources from testing and compile them myself |
| 12:35.31 | ente | that's what you mean by backporting, isn't it? |
| 12:35.39 | petn-randall | ente: right. |
| 12:35.51 | bolt | !simple sid backport |
| 12:35.51 | dpkg | First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>. |
| 12:35.57 | bolt | just apply that to testing instead :) |
| 12:36.05 | ente | ;) |
| 12:36.07 | ente | thanks |
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| 12:36.49 | unr3al011 | hello i installed a local bind9 dns server but it does not resolve any domains. what do i have to do so that it does? |
| 12:37.04 | unr3al011 | i configured it as my primary dns server but the records are all empty |
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| 12:38.07 | petn-randall | unr3al011: domains your bind is authorative, or other domains? |
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| 12:38.16 | petn-randall | *for |
| 12:38.29 | unr3al011 | sorry? |
| 12:38.39 | unr3al011 | i want to resolve remote domains |
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| 12:38.53 | unr3al011 | i read that i need a zonefile for a domain |
| 12:38.58 | unr3al011 | but i cannot create a zone file for every domain? |
| 12:39.09 | petn-randall | unr3al011: no, you just need forwarders. |
| 12:39.21 | unr3al011 | that means? |
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| 12:40.37 | unr3al011 | oh |
| 12:40.37 | unr3al011 | okay |
| 12:40.39 | petn-randall | unr3al011: You'd need to look up the 'forwarders' option from bind. |
| 12:40.47 | unr3al011 | a forwarders resolves the dns entry for me if i cannot resolve it myself? |
| 12:40.54 | unr3al011 | so i have to enter another remote dns server? |
| 12:41.13 | petn-randall | unr3al011: That is one possibility, yes. |
| 12:41.42 | unr3al011 | okay thank you |
| 12:41.46 | petn-randall | unr3al011: if you're new to DNS servers, bind might not be the easiest one. Let me quickly check something. |
| 12:42.16 | unr3al011 | i have a webcrawler and want to use a local caching dns server for it.thats why i need one. but its my first time setting up any dns server |
| 12:42.42 | petn-randall | unr3al011: dnsmasq is a lot easier to set up, I'd go with that one. |
| 12:43.19 | unr3al011 | okay i'll try it |
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| 12:43.26 | unr3al011 | but another last question for theory: |
| 12:43.40 | unr3al011 | oh nvm.. :D |
| 12:43.47 | petn-randall | unr3al011: Though I doubt it'll have a big impact on your web crawler performance, unless your current DNS server is really far away. |
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| 12:44.03 | petn-randall | unr3al011: but just give it a try and tell us how it worked out :) |
| 12:44.12 | rozie | for DNS cache I'd use unbound |
| 12:44.23 | rozie | works OOTB for localhost |
| 12:44.25 | unr3al011 | yeah sure ;) i think it will have an impact, cause i fetch multiple pages in 1 sec |
| 12:44.46 | unr3al011 | even if i can fetch +1 more page in a second i will gained a benefit :D |
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| 12:46.28 | unr3al011 | yeah first i will try to setup a forwarder for my bind server |
| 12:46.39 | petn-randall | unr3al011: your limiting factor will be the speed you can crawl a web page. And if you do that at full speed, some admins will get really angry and block you. |
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| 12:47.48 | unr3al011 | no i have polite crawling rules implemented in my crawler |
| 12:47.52 | unr3al011 | it will not fetch 1 page at once |
| 12:47.57 | unr3al011 | it will fetch 30 different pages at the same time |
| 12:48.01 | unr3al011 | so the impact is really low |
| 12:48.12 | petn-randall | I see. |
| 12:48.21 | unr3al011 | i# |
| 12:48.27 | unr3al011 | i'm not a bad bot :P |
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| 12:48.46 | Mr_Queue | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:49.02 | petn-randall | Mr_Queue: bi-winning? :P |
| 12:49.33 | petn-randall | unr3al011: Though, thinking of it, bind9 should still be able to resolve without forwarders, as long as the root servers are there. |
| 12:49.46 | petn-randall | unr3al011: so something broke in your setup, I think :/ |
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| 12:50.00 | unr3al011 | i tried "dig www.google.com" |
| 12:50.08 | unr3al011 | and i see no a records or anything else |
| 12:50.15 | unr3al011 | although query time is only 1ms |
| 12:50.25 | unr3al011 | i entered google dns server as forwarder |
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| 12:51.10 | petn-randall | unr3al011: Dunno, you'd have to post your full config, and probably ask at #bind will get you better help with this. |
| 12:51.20 | petn-randall | s/ask/asking/ |
| 12:52.03 | unr3al011 | ok thx will check there |
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| 12:55.44 | _martin | hi i'm installing matlab on my debian, ans the install guid asks me for the matlab root folder location: (defualt) /home/martin shouldn't this be /usr/local/? |
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| 12:56.50 | gnarface | _martin: yes |
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| 12:57.05 | _martin | thanks gnarface |
| 12:57.33 | gnarface | _martin: no problem. and its not like it would matter unless you had other users on the system |
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| 12:58.09 | _c-- | I want to download the apache sources in order to build it myself. My sources.list contains some deb-src lines. Does that mean I can use Debian's package manager to download sources? |
| 12:58.10 | gnarface | i tend to put my stuff in /usr/local though anyway just because i don't like to clutter my home dir |
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| 12:58.32 | gnarface | _c--: yes |
| 12:58.33 | _martin | me2 |
| 12:59.11 | babilen | dpkg: tell _c-- -about recompile package |
| 12:59.19 | babilen | _c--: Why do you want to do that? |
| 12:59.21 | _c-- | gnarface: The original, vanilla source, or is that some Debian-modified stuff? |
| 12:59.55 | gnarface | _c--: the packaged and patched and ready to automatically re-package debian source |
| 12:59.59 | babilen | _c--: You will get the original tarball as well as the Debian patches. (It is a Debian source package) |
| 13:00.55 | gnarface | babilen: well, only if he wants to also upgrade the version. if he just wants to recompile the same version with new options he doesn't need the upstream source at all does he? |
| 13:01.11 | unr3al011 | petn-randall it works now :D |
| 13:01.14 | babilen | gnarface: The orig.tar.gz is part of every source package |
| 13:01.17 | _c-- | oh... and i guess i'll get whatever version is in the repo rather than being able to choose a version? |
| 13:01.19 | gnarface | oh |
| 13:01.21 | unr3al011 | but i have no clue why, i just have default config, and it just works^ |
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| 13:01.27 | unr3al011 | i can resolve without forwarders |
| 13:01.39 | babilen | _c--: What do you want to do and why? |
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| 13:02.03 | gnarface | _c--: yea the version in the repo. you can add other repos but mind you mixing+matching is more dangerous with debian than with your antidepressants |
| 13:02.07 | _c-- | babilen: I want to download the apache sources in order to build it myself. Like I said. A specific version. |
| 13:02.24 | babilen | _c--: Why? |
| 13:02.38 | babilen | _c--: And which version? |
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| 13:03.46 | gnarface | _c--: he is actually the good guy here. it could save you a lot of trouble to cooperate with him. i was giving you enough rope to hang yourself. |
| 13:03.54 | _c-- | babilen: I want to test something. Doesn't matter. If I can't chose the version, I'll just download it from apache.org and use that |
| 13:04.09 | babilen | _c--: what do you want to achieve? |
| 13:04.19 | babilen | _c--: But meh ... Go and do whatever you think is right. |
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| 13:04.51 | babilen | has better things to do right now than playing the "what do you want to do?" "no really, what do you want to achieve" game |
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| 13:05.30 | babilen | judd: v apache2 |
| 13:05.32 | judd | Package: apache2 on i386 -- squeeze-security: 2.2.16-6+squeeze7; squeeze: 2.2.16-6+squeeze10; squeeze-proposed-updates: 2.2.16-6+squeeze11; squeeze-security: 2.2.16-6+squeeze11; sid: 2.2.22-13; wheezy: 2.2.22-13; experimental: 2.4.4-2 |
| 13:05.41 | babilen | _c--: courtesy information ^^^ -- good luck! |
| 13:05.51 | gnarface | _c--: what he's getting at is that most people decide they need to replace the stock debian version based on version number alone without checking whether the patches they want have been backported or not |
| 13:06.33 | gnarface | _c--: see, the debian-specific modifications generally amount to things that make the version# typically not the problem you think it is |
| 13:07.14 | gnarface | but you'll never catch me trying to crush a lemming's dream of flying... |
| 13:07.17 | babilen | gnarface: We have /no/ idea what _c-- actually wants to do. I am not in the mood to continue making things up just to be able to provide some help. |
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| 13:10.28 | Tech163 | I've installed debian a few dozen times but I still haven't been able to figure this out. during the installation process, is there a difference between linux-image-2.6-amd64 and linux-image-2.6.32.5-amd64? |
| 13:11.46 | babilen | Tech163: yes, there is. It doesn't make a huge difference during the installation and in the resulting system, but makes one in the long run. |
| 13:12.09 | babilen | Tech163: The linux-image-2.6-amd64 (or linux-image-amd64) packages are metapackages that depend on the latest version of the kernel |
| 13:12.19 | babilen | judd: depends linux-image-2.6-amd64 --arch amd64 |
| 13:12.20 | judd | Package linux-image-2.6-amd64 in squeeze/amd64 -- depends: linux-image-2.6.32-5-amd64. |
| 13:12.33 | petn-randall | unr3al011: Did you reinstall? |
| 13:12.43 | babilen | Tech163: So, by installing that you get linux-image-2.6.32-5-amd64 on squeeze (because linux-image-2.6-amd64 pulls in the latter) |
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| 13:13.26 | Tech163 | thanks babilen and judd. got it |
| 13:13.31 | babilen | Tech163: The whole thing becomes interesting once you are upgrading to another release. Then the dependency of the kernel metapackage changes (to the appropriate kernel) and you will automatically upgrade your kernel. |
| 13:13.43 | babilen | judd: depends linux-image-2.6-amd64 --release wheezy --arch amd64 |
| 13:13.45 | judd | Package linux-image-2.6-amd64 in wheezy/amd64 -- depends: linux-image-amd64. |
| 13:13.48 | babilen | judd: depends linux-image-amd64 --release wheezy --arch amd64 |
| 13:13.49 | judd | Package linux-image-amd64 in wheezy/amd64 -- depends: linux-image-3.2.0-4-amd64. |
| 13:14.04 | unr3al011 | petn-randall: no it just worked somehow, i did not know how :d |
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| 13:16.02 | __zero | Hello, I don't know if this is a silly question. Im trying to find out how to fetch email from gmail to read it from command line, I googled my questio but all I find is references on how to configure exim4 to send email.. I only want to receive it, what am I missing? |
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| 13:18.06 | unr3al011 | after i restart my debian machine, my /etc/resolv.conf is overwritten with my routers default setting. how to prevent that? |
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| 13:18.52 | Towzzer | apt-get purge resolvconf |
| 13:18.52 | babilen | __zero: You can use tools such as getmail4 for that. I guess that offlineimap would work too -- http://paste.debian.net/245432/ is a suitable configuration file for getmail4 |
| 13:19.14 | __zero | babilen: Thank you, I'll look into it |
| 13:19.16 | petn-randall | unr3al011: mysterious heisenbug ;) |
| 13:19.27 | unr3al011 | :D |
| 13:19.47 | Towzzer | and add "option domain-name-servers" to your dhcp client configuration |
| 13:19.52 | Towzzer | if you are using dhcp |
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| 13:20.09 | babilen | __zero: getmail4 delivers to procmail in this case (and procmail sorts the incoming mail into mailboxes) -- You can deliver to other MDAs (mail delivery agents) such as maildrop (if you start out you probably want to rather use that than procmail) |
| 13:20.16 | unr3al011 | maybe it was updated due to system updates |
| 13:20.23 | unr3al011 | had to install 350mb updates |
| 13:20.33 | Towzzer | that's 35times bigger than space quest 4 |
| 13:20.38 | ootput | __zero: offlineimap can also deliver to an existing local mta |
| 13:20.47 | babilen | __zero: offlineimap is defintely worth a look too |
| 13:21.03 | babilen | So, evaluate those options. I am not entirely sure what you need/want |
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| 13:21.27 | unr3al011 | yeah damn |
| 13:21.30 | unr3al011 | its replaced again -.- |
| 13:21.33 | unr3al011 | just did a reboot |
| 13:21.37 | __zero | babilen: sure, thank you. I only want to be able to read email for now, I'm pretty new to all this |
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| 13:21.54 | __zero | ootput: i'll look into that as well |
| 13:21.54 | ootput | __zero: if you don't need to have offline access to your gmail, there are plenty of commandline tools that can fetch imap |
| 13:22.03 | unr3al011 | Towzzer where do i have to ad this option? |
| 13:22.33 | abrotman | bolt: hi .. |
| 13:22.34 | petn-randall | unr3al011: Are you using DHCP for your machine? |
| 13:22.52 | babilen | __zero: Do you want to download it or do you "simply" want to read it on the command line? (or both?) |
| 13:22.56 | abrotman | bolt: thats's in the install guide I believe |
| 13:23.07 | unr3al011 | yes |
| 13:23.43 | ootput | __zero: (I've implemented many mail retrieval techniques, only to eventually settle on using my browser for webmail) :) |
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| 13:24.29 | __zero | babilen: I don't mind being online to read the email, don't have to read it offline since I'm doing it on a raspberry pi, if it's powered up it will be conneted to the internet anyways |
| 13:25.09 | petn-randall | unr3al011: then you have to push the information about your shiny new DNS server via your DHCP server. |
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| 13:25.32 | petn-randall | __zero: Let me guess, you're not using Debian? |
| 13:25.44 | babilen | __zero: In that case you can just use mutt and point it directly at gmail. I am sure that the setup is documented in a bazillion places. |
| 13:25.53 | __zero | ootput: hahaha, yeah that happens sometimes |
| 13:25.54 | babilen | petn-randall: good call |
| 13:26.02 | babilen | __zero: Are you using Raspbian? |
| 13:26.17 | __zero | petn-randall: no, I'm using raspbian that's why I didn't ask anything specific |
| 13:26.22 | babilen | !raspbian |
| 13:26.22 | __zero | just wanted the idea |
| 13:26.23 | dpkg | Raspbian is a distribution <based on Debian> made specifically for the <Raspberry Pi>. Please use #raspbian on irc.freenode.net for support. http://www.raspbian.org/ |
| 13:26.27 | babilen | __zero: ^^^ |
| 13:26.28 | unr3al011 | petn-randall: so all clients in my network have to use this new dns server? |
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| 13:27.04 | __zero | babilen: thank you, I'll use mutt then |
| 13:27.36 | scarrz | I need some help installing proprietary drivers please.... nvidia card |
| 13:27.43 | petn-randall | unr3al011: Either that, or you disable accepting DNS servers via DHCP (your have to configure that on your DHCP client), and add it by hand to /etc/resolv.conf. |
| 13:27.46 | __zero | I hope I didn't bother with the questions for not being in debian, as I said all I wanted was the idea =) |
| 13:27.59 | n8w | hye |
| 13:28.00 | bolt | abrotman: then my google-fu is failing me. but sure, it might be in there. |
| 13:28.00 | n8w | when i do "id" in order to get groups the user is part of i get less groups then when i do "id myusername"...why? |
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| 13:28.13 | bolt | !tell scarrz about ask |
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| 13:29.14 | bolt | n8w: did you add yourself to some groups and not log out/in yet? |
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| 13:29.36 | scarrz | when I try to install the nvidia driver package from shell install fails |
| 13:29.38 | hellyeah | is there anyone use html-tidy on debian |
| 13:29.40 | n8w | bolt, ok i was wonderin about this...do i have to log out? |
| 13:29.48 | bolt | !tell scarrz about error message |
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| 13:30.13 | n8w | bolt, to asnwer your question...yes i have added myself to new groups without loggin out |
| 13:30.49 | milligan | scarrz, what kind of error do you get? Installing the drivers is fairly easy. Make sure you have build essentials installed, and your kernel headers |
| 13:30.51 | bolt | n8w: i can't tell you if you absolutely have to log out. there might be a way around that. but it will take effect when you log back in, at least |
| 13:31.08 | milligan | scarrz, then exit to shell and make sure you kill any running x-server etc. Run the installer, and it's fix the rest for you. |
| 13:31.11 | n8w | bolt, ok great...thx |
| 13:31.27 | unr3al011 | my /etc/resolv.conf is generated by network manager |
| 13:31.35 | unr3al011 | but i disabled getting dns server over dhcp |
| 13:31.38 | unr3al011 | but it is still overwritten |
| 13:31.55 | petn-randall | hellyeah: You're not doing a survey, are you? ;) |
| 13:31.58 | babilen | dpkg: tell scarrz -about nvidia dkms |
| 13:32.09 | hellyeah | not survey |
| 13:32.18 | hellyeah | i am using html tidy from web |
| 13:32.29 | hellyeah | and i wonder is there any program that handle this |
| 13:32.38 | babilen | scarrz: Please make sure that the version you install supports your card. You can check in the READMEs on ftp://download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86/ → VERSION → README → README.txt |
| 13:32.42 | hellyeah | so i wont have to google html-tidy each time |
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| 13:33.10 | abrotman | bolt: let me look |
| 13:33.19 | scarrz | milligan: how can I be sure to kill my x server?..... I am using killall gdm |
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| 13:34.16 | babilen | scarrz: Which version of Debian do you use? What is your graphic card? (output of "lspci -nn|grep vga") How did you try to install the nvidia driver now? Why do you want to kill your X server? |
| 13:34.21 | abrotman | bolt: seems very briefly discussed .. perhaps file a bug about documemtation ? |
| 13:34.40 | n8w | bolt, ye i needed to log out |
| 13:34.45 | n8w | bolt, all good now |
| 13:34.48 | n8w | bolt, thx |
| 13:34.48 | bolt | abrotman: sure, i can do that |
| 13:34.53 | bolt | n8w: np |
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| 13:36.04 | scarrz | i am using a version of debian squeeze called avlinux |
| 13:36.05 | petn-randall | hellyeah: Sorry, I'm not following through. It's best if you ask your specific question as concise as possible, but with enough context, so we can help you solve your problem. |
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| 13:36.49 | abrotman | bolt: thank you sir! |
| 13:36.52 | abrotman | or ma'am! |
| 13:36.54 | petn-randall | scarrz: That's *NOT* Debian, and not squeeze. |
| 13:36.59 | gnarface | !avlinux |
| 13:37.00 | dpkg | AV Linux (formerly A/V Linux) is a Live DVD distribution based on Debian <testing>. It specializes in multimedia content creation using realtime-patched kernels. AV Linux is not supported in #debian. Support forum: http://geekconnection.org/remastersys/forums/index.php?board=20.0 . http://www.bandshed.net/AVLinux.html See also <based on debian>. |
| 13:37.07 | hellyeah | petn-randall: i found something called universalidentgui |
| 13:37.22 | petn-randall | dpkg: tell scarrz -about based on |
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| 13:37.59 | unr3al011 | petn-randall: works now :D |
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| 13:38.21 | petn-randall | unr3al011: Nice! How did you solve it? |
| 13:39.02 | unr3al011 | i started up networkmanager, choose my eth0 network, clicked on ipv4 settings tab, set "method" to "automatic(dns), adresses only" and was able to enter my desired dns server |
| 13:39.12 | unr3al011 | after a restart it is set to the one i entered |
| 13:39.43 | petn-randall | unr3al011: Ah, I see. |
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| 13:46.28 | d3xter | hey guys |
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| 13:47.29 | d3xter | i'm running debian inside qemu and i'm using virtio to share a folder. when nginx/php5-fpm tries to access this files, i get cryptical strings back as output, but accessing the files with vim works normally. any ideas? |
| 13:48.44 | petn-randall | d3xter: Can you site-paste what you get and what you had in those text files? |
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| 13:53.52 | d3xter | petn-randall: http://pastebin.com/VUGsWpDp |
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| 13:54.04 | d3xter | petn-randall: but that output changes on every access |
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| 13:54.41 | petn-randall | d3xter: what does 'file php-file' say? |
| 13:55.04 | petn-randall | d3xter: on the host and the guest. |
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| 13:55.23 | d3xter | petn-randall: index.php: PHP script, ASCII text <- guest and host |
| 13:56.05 | d3xter | petn-randall: is it a problem, when the guest has no write-permissions on the folder/files? |
| 13:56.45 | petn-randall | d3xter: no, that shouldn't be a problem. But when you open the file in the guest with vim, it's ok? |
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| 13:57.42 | stew | byte order problem perhaps? |
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| 13:58.09 | _val_ | cat -A file.php will show weird things. |
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| 13:58.47 | petn-randall | But then file shouldn't say it's ASCII, if there's a BOM or UTF-8 in there. |
| 13:59.15 | stew | right |
| 13:59.28 | stew | ok, bit order problem :) |
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| 14:00.57 | petn-randall | stew: heh ;) |
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| 14:04.08 | unr3al011 | open the file in notepad++ and klick on "encodings" -> "convert to utf8 without bom" |
| 14:04.31 | d3xter | petn-randall: yes, i can open it in read-only mode with vim |
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| 14:05.48 | stew | utopia_euphoria: if it really is utf8, file wouldn't think it was ASCII |
| 14:05.53 | stew | unr3al011: ^^ |
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| 14:06.58 | petn-randall | d3xter: yes, but looks ok with vim in the guest? |
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| 14:07.26 | d3xter | petn-randall: yes |
| 14:07.46 | petn-randall | d3xter: And where do you get the garbled output from? |
| 14:07.47 | caravel | Hi there o/ |
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| 14:07.57 | d3xter | petn-randall: nginx + php5-fpm |
| 14:08.16 | stew | d3xter: how? |
| 14:08.17 | petn-randall | d3xter: I have no experience with it, but the bug must lie there. |
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| 14:08.53 | d3xter | stew: what do you mean? |
| 14:09.03 | caravel | @ops, I'm being spam'ed via private messages by #debian user ClwFngr o/ |
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| 14:09.46 | jhutchins_wk | caravel:Your @ has disabled the function you're trying to use. |
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| 14:09.52 | monod | <PROTECTED> |
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| 14:10.04 | d3xter | and now, after a couple of requests the guest is down ^^ |
| 14:10.10 | jhutchins_wk | monod: No, the boot flag is for DOS only. |
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| 14:10.20 | monod | oh.. |
| 14:10.31 | caravel | jhutchins_wk: thanks, not familiar enough of this chan's bots :) (didn't even think of the function) |
| 14:10.34 | jhutchins_wk | monod: Individual admins can use it to flag the boot partition for linux, but there's no guarantee. |
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| 14:10.44 | stew | caravel: i'm looking, thanks |
| 14:10.56 | caravel | thanks stew |
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| 14:11.17 | monod | because I got this problem: I erased a partition, I then got grub_rescue the next boot |
| 14:11.20 | stew | anyone else get messages from ClwFngr? |
| 14:11.40 | monod | yet finally I've fixed it, almost dunno how (I've used the debian netinst cd) |
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| 14:12.11 | monod | and now I'd like to continue my partition sweeping activity, but... don't want to erase grub again, got me? |
| 14:12.32 | petn-randall | stew: nope |
| 14:12.39 | unr3al011 | is there something for resolving dns of millions of domains? some app or sth? |
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| 14:12.45 | unr3al011 | so i can feed my local dns server a bit? |
| 14:12.46 | petn-randall | caravel: set him on /ignore for now. |
| 14:12.56 | d3xter | petn-randall: thx for your help :) |
| 14:13.20 | petn-randall | unr3al011: DNS comes with a TTL, that won't help you a bit. |
| 14:13.37 | unr3al011 | and if i would make it periodically? |
| 14:13.42 | koollman | unr3al011: why do you want to resolve millions of domains ? |
| 14:13.50 | unr3al011 | for my webcrawler |
| 14:14.02 | petn-randall | unr3al011: Also, DNS is frigging fast, it's just a package forward and back (UDP), so it'll hardly gain you anything. |
| 14:14.12 | petn-randall | unr3al011: premature optimization is the root of all evil. |
| 14:14.14 | unr3al011 | yeah usual time was 700 ms(too slow) |
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| 14:14.22 | unr3al011 | it added google dns and now it is <49 ms |
| 14:14.30 | unr3al011 | and if i have it cached its 1ms |
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| 14:15.15 | koollman | unr3al011: to have it cached, you would need to resolve it at least twice. for millions of unique dns, no benefits |
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| 14:15.38 | unr3al011 | mh okay then i will just resolve it if it is really needed |
| 14:15.40 | petn-randall | unr3al011: If DNS latency is a problem, you have a problem with parrallelization. |
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| 14:15.58 | unr3al011 | there is no problem, but i want to gain as much speed as possible |
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| 14:16.32 | d3xter | petn-randall: it must be related to php5-fpm, html websites work ^^ |
| 14:16.43 | petn-randall | unr3al011: I recommend you write clear and maintainable code first, then identify bottlenecks and hotspots, then optimize those parts. |
| 14:16.54 | unr3al011 | yes |
| 14:17.13 | unr3al011 | actually i'm replanning my crawler, and local dns server is a part of it^ |
| 14:17.22 | petn-randall | unr3al011: Everything else will result in a huge pile of unmaintainable spaghetti-mess. |
| 14:17.30 | unr3al011 | :D sure^ |
| 14:18.13 | petn-randall | unr3al011: I'm still pretty convinced that DNS will not even attribute to 0.1% of your performance. |
| 14:18.25 | unr3al011 | it is |
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| 14:18.31 | unr3al011 | you can check yourself |
| 14:18.35 | unr3al011 | install firebug on firefox |
| 14:18.39 | unr3al011 | open network tab and surf any website |
| 14:18.46 | unr3al011 | then check the time which is needed for dns resolving |
| 14:18.49 | unr3al011 | its almost 30-50% |
| 14:18.59 | petn-randall | unr3al011: and for the second time? |
| 14:19.04 | unr3al011 | its faster |
| 14:19.22 | petn-randall | unr3al011: And what does your crawler do when it hits a page that timeouts? |
| 14:19.32 | unr3al011 | cancels the request |
| 14:19.38 | petn-randall | unr3al011: And how long does your crawler take to parse the actual web page? |
| 14:19.57 | unr3al011 | what do you mean? |
| 14:20.15 | unr3al011 | parsing the result html? |
| 14:20.19 | petn-randall | unr3al011: And does you parser detect loops, for example links to calendars that have links to the next month? |
| 14:20.40 | unr3al011 | the crawler itself is not the problem |
| 14:20.49 | unr3al011 | i just wanted to gain as much as performance as possible |
| 14:20.55 | unr3al011 | and local dns server was 1 checkpoint on my todo list :P |
| 14:20.57 | petn-randall | unr3al011: Those are the things where your web crawler will spend humongous amounts of time with. DNS is surely not one of them. |
| 14:21.07 | rozie | unr3al011: when you crawl _milions_ of pages, crawler _is_ a problem |
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| 14:21.25 | petn-randall | unr3al011: You haven't even started with the crawler, have you? :) |
| 14:21.30 | unr3al011 | lol i have :D |
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| 14:21.49 | unr3al011 | so i explain my plan to you |
| 14:21.53 | greenday | local dns, dnsmasq = dns poisoning? |
| 14:22.01 | unr3al011 | i coded a basic crawler that does all my stuff i want him to do |
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| 14:22.16 | unr3al011 | but i want to make it more scaleable so i read alot of books and searched through alot of concepts of crawlers |
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| 14:22.24 | unr3al011 | so i am planning version 2 of my crawler right now |
| 14:22.31 | unr3al011 | alot concepts were about local dns servers |
| 14:22.39 | petn-randall | unr3al011: Writing a crawler that can crawl pages on the internet and not choke on any of them is probably one of the most difficult tasks I can think of. |
| 14:22.57 | unr3al011 | i'm happy with my crawlers performance |
| 14:23.09 | rozie | unr3al011: instead of having local DNS cache, use good, fast public one |
| 14:23.15 | unr3al011 | i do |
| 14:23.23 | petn-randall | greenday: How do you get that impression? |
| 14:23.24 | unr3al011 | i forward on google dns if i have it not cached |
| 14:23.30 | rozie | this may really help, as it has some entries in cache |
| 14:23.32 | greenday | why don't you turn off all dns cache and run it? |
| 14:23.44 | rozie | and for the first time your local will always have miss |
| 14:23.54 | unr3al011 | if i have cached it it is 1ms access. if it is not cached its up to 50ms |
| 14:24.07 | rozie | unr3al011: what's the performance of crawler? (pages/minute) |
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| 14:24.15 | greenday | 1ms is enough for an attacker |
| 14:24.20 | unr3al011 | depends on your internet connection |
| 14:24.23 | petn-randall | rozie: He can forward his DNS to a good public one, that'll be a little faster. |
| 14:24.35 | unr3al011 | i have 64 mbit and crawl up to 50 pages/ second |
| 14:24.35 | rozie | petn-randall: no it won't |
| 14:24.47 | petn-randall | greenday: What are you talking about? |
| 14:24.54 | petn-randall | rozie: It'll be after the first miss. |
| 14:24.57 | rozie | I played with bind on localhost and remote DNS |
| 14:24.59 | rozie | no. |
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| 14:25.19 | unr3al011 | but i have to leave now. i will join back this evening or tomorrow then we can continue talking about crawlers if you like :P |
| 14:25.30 | unr3al011 | thanks for your help, especially petn-randall ;) |
| 14:25.30 | rozie | I had result like <10 ms some public ISP, my local cache, my ISP's DNS |
| 14:25.48 | petn-randall | unr3al011: you're welcome :) |
| 14:25.52 | rozie | on average those 3rd party was the fastest one |
| 14:26.04 | rozie | probably good hardware, and a lot of entries |
| 14:26.23 | petn-randall | rozie: ;; Query time: 0 msec |
| 14:26.27 | MACscr | im installing debian for the first time on two systems. One is giving me the option for a software raid and the other is not. They both are identical hardware except for the second system that isnt giving the option has smaller drives. |
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| 14:26.45 | MACscr | Any idea why im not getting a software raid option when i go to manually partition? |
| 14:26.46 | petn-randall | rozie: < 1 ms is still less than <10ms. |
| 14:27.01 | petn-randall | Though I highly doubt it'll make a noticable difference. |
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| 14:27.52 | trash | When is wheezy stable? :o |
| 14:27.54 | rozie | petn-randall: now run it on random set of a few thousand domains... |
| 14:27.59 | rozie | count average |
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| 14:29.20 | petn-randall | rozie: I'm not arguing that optimizing his DNS setup is worth the trouble. |
| 14:30.02 | rozie | especially when talking about milions of pages. TTL will matter |
| 14:30.10 | petn-randall | rozie: Though if you have a local DNS, on a miss you add < 1ms latency to it, on a hit you'll save ~10ms. |
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| 14:30.37 | petn-randall | Even if you only have a 5% hit rate, you'll still have an improvement in 5% of the cases. |
| 14:30.39 | rozie | and a good crawler script should resolve domain name just once |
| 14:30.53 | petn-randall | rozie: That too, yes :) |
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| 14:31.30 | monod | no dpkg this time? :O |
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| 14:31.51 | petn-randall | rozie: Though, it depends on how long it runs, and if it does it as a daemon. An A record might easily point to some non-existant server after a few days. |
| 14:31.58 | monod | oh yes, there it is |
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| 14:32.13 | rozie | anyway, I have no exp. with crawling more than a few k pages. and I have DNS cache. |
| 14:32.27 | Tagor | Would anyone have a few minutes to help me repair grub? I've tried a lot of things I found on the internet but can't figure out how to get it working properly |
| 14:32.28 | rozie | (just for home network) |
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| 14:33.18 | petn-randall | rozie: I'm pretty sure he'll run into lots of problems, writing a robust crawler is *hard*. And DNS will be the least of his problems. |
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| 14:34.01 | petn-randall | Tagor: Explain the context of your problem here, post output and error messages to http://paste.debian.net |
| 14:35.02 | petn-randall | Tagor: For starters, how you installed grub, the output of 'fdisk -l', what's failing and how you tried to fix it up to now. |
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| 14:36.00 | Tagor | I'm trying to reinstall GRUB after I copied the partitions on my HDD to a SSD. I mounted /root to /mnt with an Ubuntu live CD and then tried to install grub with 'sudo grub-install --root-directory=/mnt /dev/sda'. But I get this error: 'The file /mnt/boot/grub/stage1 not read correctly' |
| 14:38.06 | petn-randall | Tagor: Try a Debian CD. Ubuntu ships with a different version of grub. |
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| 14:38.40 | Tagor | petn-randall: does Debian have a live cd? |
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| 14:39.19 | MrMonkey1 | hm wonder if there's a cloning program that could have copied the disk sector by sector? so he wouldn't have had to re-grub? |
| 14:39.21 | veelium | My laptop beeps a lot when running on battery. Is there a way to find out why? |
| 14:39.21 | petn-randall | Tagor: Sure. Google would point you to http://www.debian.org/CD/live/ |
| 14:39.31 | veelium | didn't do that on ubuntu or arch |
| 14:40.00 | petn-randall | veelium: Guess you'd have to check with your HW manufacturer what those beeps mean. |
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| 14:40.47 | petn-randall | veelium: I don't know of anything in Debian, that'll trigger beeps by itself. (Though someone else might know) |
| 14:41.00 | veelium | hm |
| 14:41.12 | petn-randall | MrMonkey1: That would just break the wear leveling if you copy ever sector over. |
| 14:41.16 | Tagor | petn-randall: thanks I was confused because it said 'live install cd' |
| 14:41.47 | veelium | petn-randall: If it's HW related shouldn't it happen on every distro |
| 14:41.51 | petn-randall | Tagor: you should be able to fix grub with that, though I haven't tested it personally. Which release of Debian are you on? |
| 14:41.58 | veelium | petn-randall: happens only on debian |
| 14:42.11 | petn-randall | veelium: Maybe the HW problems only started after installing Debian? |
| 14:42.33 | sawjig | maybe some acpi script expects a different mWh? |
| 14:42.46 | veelium | petn-randall: I still have ubuntu installed as well and it's fine there |
| 14:42.47 | petn-randall | veelium: First thing I'd do is check /var/log/kern.log for suspicious entries. |
| 14:42.47 | sawjig | warning you of low battery? Battery old? |
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| 14:43.18 | veelium | happens no matter how full the battery is |
| 14:43.23 | petn-randall | veelium: Which kernel do you have now, which one's on your Ubuntu installation? |
| 14:43.38 | petn-randall | veelium: What HW do you have? |
| 14:43.58 | MrMonkey1 | petn-randall: oh snap, would it? |
| 14:43.59 | Tagor | petn-randall: 6.0.7 |
| 14:44.14 | veelium | 3.2.04 on debian |
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| 14:44.45 | veelium | petn-randall: hp 635, haven't had any problem with it |
| 14:44.54 | veelium | petn-randall: just the beeping is annoying |
| 14:45.14 | veelium | petn-randall: not sure which kernel the ubuntu install is |
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| 14:45.29 | petn-randall | MrMonkey1: Yes, the kernel should support ATA TRIM, too, otherwise it'll slowly thrash the wear leveling of the SSD. |
| 14:46.04 | petn-randall | veelium: Have you checked the logs yet? |
| 14:46.48 | petn-randall | Tagor: You might have partitioned the SSD wrongly, so grub can't install itself. Can you paste the output of 'fdisk -l' to http://paste.debian.net? |
| 14:46.51 | MrMonkey1 | I have to urh... check on something... |
| 14:46.58 | petn-randall | MrMonkey1: :) |
| 14:47.01 | veelium | petn-randall: just checked, I don't see anything suspicious |
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| 14:47.45 | dupondje | /usr/bin/rsync -avz --exclude='.svn/*' --exclude='*/.svn/*' --exclude='cache/*' --exclude='*/cache/*' dir1/ dir2/ |
| 14:47.49 | dupondje | but still it sync: 2013-03-28 15:40:27 -- cache/wp_object_cache.lock |
| 14:47.51 | petn-randall | veelium: Have you found any correlation betweens beeps and other events, like unplugging the charger, etc.? |
| 14:47.58 | dupondje | any idea's why it doesn't skip the cache dir ? |
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| 14:49.14 | istevenmon | hello guys, if i want to install debian on a atom laptop, which iso arch should i use? is it i386? |
| 14:49.16 | veelium | petn-randall: it beeps when I plug it in and doesn't while its plugged in |
| 14:49.52 | petn-randall | istevenmon: Depends on the exact CPU. Atoms can be 32 and 64 bit. |
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| 14:50.12 | petn-randall | veelium: And on top of that at random times? |
| 14:50.40 | veelium | petn-randall: yes when runnning on battery |
| 14:51.04 | istevenmon | petn-randall: this one says 32bit operative system, atom CPU N2600 @1.60GHz |
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| 14:52.26 | veelium | istevenmon: then you probably want i386 |
| 14:52.33 | stew | istevenmon: is it already running some flavor of linux? |
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| 14:52.57 | dupondje | anyone? |
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| 14:53.42 | istevenmon | nope, it has windows +o( but i was not sure if atom was a different architecture. now i see it more like a different branch like amd |
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| 14:54.19 | sawjig | dupondje, because = |
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| 14:55.32 | petn-randall | istevenmon: This says it's 64bit, so you want to install amd64: http://ark.intel.com/products/58916/ |
| 14:55.47 | veelium | istevenmon: how much ram? |
| 14:56.09 | monod | please help me people |
| 14:56.20 | monod | debian does not update anymore |
| 14:56.27 | istevenmon | veelium: 1GB |
| 14:56.28 | monod | tell me what you need to know - apt-get update output? |
| 14:56.32 | petn-randall | dupondje: No idea, though you might want to read the 'FILTER RULES' section of the man page carefully. |
| 14:56.41 | dupondje | sawjig: didn't even notice, lets try |
| 14:56.47 | veelium | monod: probably a good start |
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| 14:56.53 | sawjig | dupondje, pretty sure it's --exclude $dir, is it not? |
| 14:57.06 | monod | this is urgent, because I don't know if only some of the packets are not updated or if it's them all |
| 14:57.26 | veelium | istevenmon: with 1GB 64 bit isn't that useful |
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| 14:58.04 | istevenmon | veelium: i want to install it with fluxbox desktop |
| 14:58.17 | istevenmon | would 2GB in ram help me better? |
| 14:58.23 | petn-randall | monod: how about you start with pasting the output to http://paste.debian.net |
| 14:58.40 | sawjig | also |
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| 14:58.48 | petn-randall | istevenmon: 1 GB is ok for a small system. Don't expect wonders, though :) |
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| 14:59.02 | sawjig | dupondje, if you just glob '.svn*' that should exclude all .svn folders |
| 14:59.22 | veelium | istevenmon: http://minimallinux.blogspot.co.at/2011/01/debian-minimal-install.html fluxbox install |
| 14:59.27 | sawjig | maybe don't even need to glob it. |
| 14:59.31 | istevenmon | yeah, i dont want to use it for any heavy load app. it would be my play laptop |
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| 15:00.05 | veelium | istevenmon: I'd use 32bit bit |
| 15:00.28 | veelium | istevenmon: but both probably work |
| 15:00.29 | monod | okay petn-randall && veelium, waiting for aptitude to terminate |
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| 15:00.50 | monod | it seems like aptitude has woke up! |
| 15:00.51 | dupondje | sawjig: bleh, didn't solve it :( |
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| 15:01.10 | monod | it says: 1 hr and 10 minutes left... it seems it's donwload a lot of stuff!!! |
| 15:01.10 | istevenmon | veelium: but an upgrade to the ram to 2ghz would help better wth a 64bit install |
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| 15:01.58 | veelium | istevenmon: well of course, but it's not necessary per se |
| 15:02.08 | sawjig | dupondje, I think when you use * it globs..., so it's excluding all directories with cache/* not cache? |
| 15:02.17 | veelium | monod: so it works now? |
| 15:03.01 | monod | I think I will only know in... 1 hr :( or when it may stop before |
| 15:03.05 | monod | veelium ^ |
| 15:03.18 | monod | yet I can assure you that it's *in-sa-ne* |
| 15:03.29 | istevenmon | veelium: thanks a lot =) |
| 15:03.40 | monod | my brain exploded so hard, terrible headaches throughout the month for this error!!!! |
| 15:03.57 | veelium | istevenmon: I rarely need more than 700 mb ram for casual use, so 64 bit should work good enough with 1DB |
| 15:04.04 | veelium | istevenmon: GB not DB |
| 15:04.05 | monod | and now.. aptitude seems to work.. I'll stand by to see if it really does. |
| 15:04.23 | veelium | monod: good luck then |
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| 15:04.35 | monod | thanks veelium |
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| 15:06.18 | rabbieth | for chrooted mysql/apache/whatever which libraries do i need to copy so those app would be able to use ssl? |
| 15:06.19 | sawjig | dupondje, gotta drop the quotes I think, otherwise you're just globbing... |
| 15:06.25 | rabbieth | and do i also need to mount /dev ? |
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| 15:07.47 | petn-randall | rabbieth: no, you need to properly install a whole system in the chroot. |
| 15:07.50 | petn-randall | !chroot |
| 15:07.51 | dpkg | a way to change the root directory of a process, see also http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch09#_chroot_system |
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| 15:08.06 | petn-randall | rabbieth: What do you want to achieve by chrooting? |
| 15:08.53 | rabbieth | mysqld with possibility to accept ssl-connections |
| 15:08.55 | gnarface | rabbieth: chroot isn't a security measure. you should consider using virtual machines of some sort or another instead. |
| 15:09.25 | petn-randall | rabbieth: You don't need a chroot for that. |
| 15:09.26 | gnarface | rabbieth: or some form of virtualization solution that was meant as such at least |
| 15:09.38 | rabbieth | i agree, but it's better than nothing. i was able to run mysqld in chroot but i have problems with ssl |
| 15:10.00 | petn-randall | rabbieth: No, it's exactly as good as nothing. |
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| 15:10.13 | caravel | thanks stew o/ :) petn-randall: looked like "spam-upon-join"â„¢ |
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| 15:10.20 | rabbieth | hmm... why? |
| 15:11.08 | petn-randall | rabbieth: Where do you see the security increase by chroot? |
| 15:11.34 | stew | caravel: no, thank you for reporting it |
| 15:12.13 | caravel | cares about #debian way more than he talks here :) |
| 15:12.32 | apm1 | 58 bugs |
| 15:12.37 | apm1 | sighs |
| 15:12.57 | gnarface | rabbieth: ironically, something like linux-vservers has internal characteristics similar to chroot but is otherwise actually a security solution and will not give you trouble with ssl as long as you have the ip addresses |
| 15:13.23 | petn-randall | rabbieth: You're still using the same kernel, the same memory space, you're just making parts of the main root filesystem not accessible by the usual commands. |
| 15:13.37 | rabbieth | petn-randall: script-kiddies won't be able to read files from system, easily affect other apps or system and so on |
| 15:13.55 | rabbieth | yeah, that's what i want :) |
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| 15:14.00 | petn-randall | rabbieth: You can still access the process space of the user, if you gain root it gains you nothing. |
| 15:14.30 | petn-randall | rabbieth: Why implement a bad security measure if you can have a good one? |
| 15:14.50 | rabbieth | gnarface: i guess i just forgot to copy some libs, that's why i experience problems with ssl. i don't have them in unchrooted mysqld |
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| 15:15.23 | rabbieth | petn-randall: like running mysqld in a xen host? |
| 15:15.51 | rabbieth | well, i practically want to win some time with chroot if mysql will be compromised |
| 15:15.58 | rabbieth | it's more against script-kiddies |
| 15:16.00 | petn-randall | rabbieth: Even worse, by copying the files by hand into the chroot, you have *no* idea if they're affected by security issues or not. |
| 15:16.31 | petn-randall | rabbieth: If you want to win time, throttling the bandwidth will gain you more ;) |
| 15:16.36 | rabbieth | petn-randall: but i can check their hashes everytime i copy them :P |
| 15:17.17 | petn-randall | rabbieth: if you're the admin, you have better things to do than copy around files by hand and check their hashes. |
| 15:17.17 | rabbieth | already done that ;) |
| 15:17.44 | Zeeflo | which webserver would you guys suggest? |
| 15:17.46 | rabbieth | who said that i will do all that by hand? |
| 15:17.48 | Zeeflo | it should be fast |
| 15:17.51 | rabbieth | Zeeflo: nginx |
| 15:18.04 | Zeeflo | is it as good as apache? |
| 15:18.12 | petn-randall | Zeeflo: apache, lighttpd |
| 15:18.23 | petn-randall | Zeeflo: tomcat |
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| 15:18.52 | rabbieth | Zeeflo: it is way better, but for some things you will still need apache/tomcat |
| 15:18.55 | petn-randall | rabbieth: Are you installing package via apt in the chroot? |
| 15:19.11 | Zeeflo | then i might as well go with apache again |
| 15:19.48 | rabbieth | Zeeflo: with nginx you will need apache only for java/cgi-apps, you can use php-fpm with nginx and live happily |
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| 15:20.36 | Zeeflo | its for video content |
| 15:20.37 | rabbieth | petn-randall: i can just make hashes of a fresh installed files which i know not compromised and copy only them |
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| 15:20.54 | rabbieth | Zeeflo: nginx has internal flv/mp4 streaming mechanism |
| 15:21.26 | Zeeflo | you have experience with wowza streaming server? |
| 15:21.44 | petn-randall | rabbieth: so you *are* copying files by hand ... |
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| 15:21.49 | rabbieth | i had it once |
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| 15:22.18 | rabbieth | petn-randall: i write the script once in my life and use it for a long time |
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| 15:24.06 | petn-randall | rabbieth: if you want *real* security, run MySQL in a xen guest. Or pick any other virtualization. Parts of MySQL are running as root, so you won't gain any advantage. |
| 15:24.43 | petn-randall | ... of chrooting |
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| 15:25.58 | Tagor | petn-randall: I downloaded the live cd of Debian and put it on a USB stick. When booting it I just have the options 'Install / Graphical install / Expert install / Automated install'. There's no live boot option? |
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| 15:26.31 | rabbieth | petn-randall: as i said, i just want to save a lil time. this machine runs only mysqld and sshd, and saying that chroot is useless because it can be broken is like saying that seat belts are useless because ppl still die with them |
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| 15:26.55 | rabbieth | all i want is to save time and all i asked was what libs i need to have in chroot for working ssl |
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| 15:28.27 | petn-randall | rabbieth: No, your comparison isn't right. The right analogy would be that you shoot your left tire and think it's a great idea since now it's more difficult to go over the speed limit. |
| 15:29.05 | petn-randall | Tagor: expert install should have the option somewhere further down in the menu after that. |
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| 15:29.17 | prefixed | hey folks |
| 15:29.40 | rabbieth | petn-randall: still, the question was about ssl |
| 15:30.12 | prefixed | I just upgraded to wheezy, and all of a suddeny my server is running into extremely serious memory issues. what the hell is going on? here is my dmesg output http://pastebin.com/qK0BBjTP |
| 15:30.26 | petn-randall | rabbieth: And if you're copying over single files, and not using apt to install them, you've got a Frankenstein chroot that'll be missing files in the long run. |
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| 15:30.53 | petn-randall | rabbieth: And it'll still be even more of a mess to keep it up-to-date on security updates. |
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| 15:32.05 | prefixed | it looks like PHP has a memory leak |
| 15:32.36 | prefixed | each process skyrockets to 24mb |
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| 15:33.09 | Tagor | petn-randall: all I can do is run a shell. But it does not have the command 'grub' |
| 15:33.39 | petn-randall | Tagor: it's called grub-install |
| 15:34.08 | Tagor | petn-randall: '/bin/sh grub-install: not found' |
| 15:34.09 | petn-randall | Tagor: oh wait, I think you can chroot into your target system, and run grub there. |
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| 15:34.20 | petn-randall | Tagor: there should be an option for that. |
| 15:34.21 | stew | prefixed: what makes you think there is a leak? |
| 15:34.31 | rabbieth | petn-randall: anyway, the question is what libs i will need for ssl. what if i will want to run some other app which runs not under root but must handle ssl? |
| 15:34.58 | prefixed | stew this didn't occur last week when I was on squeeze |
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| 15:35.25 | Tagor | petn-randall: how can I do that? |
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| 15:35.28 | stew | prefixed: if there was a leak, you woulnd't expect it to get to 24 mb, you'd expect that it grows and grows and grows |
| 15:35.46 | petn-randall | rabbieth: Debian has an *excellent* tool for handling dependencies, called apt. If you don't want to use it, it's fine, but please don't ask us to help you solve your dependency issues by hand because you refuse to use it. |
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| 15:36.10 | prefixed | stew not if processes are capped at 24mp a piece |
| 15:36.42 | stew | prefixed: how do you tell that it is a memory leak as oposed to just using a lot of memory? |
| 15:36.59 | prefixed | ok |
| 15:37.05 | prefixed | why would it be using a ton of memory all of a sudden |
| 15:37.09 | prefixed | I need to track that down |
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| 15:39.13 | Tagor | petn-randall: are you still there? |
| 15:40.06 | stew | prefixed: seems less likely that it would have a memory leak all of the sudden |
| 15:40.13 | petn-randall | Tagor: I'm sorry, I don't know the exact route to do it, maybe someone else can help. |
| 15:40.25 | gnat_x | hi folks. i'm having trouble figuring out what the state of mysql clustering is for wheezy. is there any recent discussion. i'm having trouble finding anything. |
| 15:40.46 | petn-randall | Tagor: I just remember there's an option to chroot to an already installed system. And from there you'll be able to run grub-install again. |
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| 15:41.47 | SmashingX | why after 1 day of setting the alias command the alias gets erased for some reason? |
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| 15:42.15 | gnat_x | SmashingX: is this a bash command alias? |
| 15:42.25 | SmashingX | I guess, how can I know that? |
| 15:42.33 | stew | SmashingX: you are setting it how? running "alias foo=bar" in a shell? |
| 15:42.38 | SmashingX | yes |
| 15:42.41 | SmashingX | like that |
| 15:42.50 | petn-randall | SmashingX: That only sticks until you logout. |
| 15:42.53 | stew | SmashingX: that only affects that shell. it goes away when the shell exits |
| 15:42.56 | gnat_x | when you log out, that will reset because your session ends. |
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| 15:43.06 | petn-randall | heh :) |
| 15:43.07 | SmashingX | oh c'mon |
| 15:43.19 | SmashingX | how can I make it stay? |
| 15:43.27 | gnat_x | SmashingX: you can add them to your ~/.bashrc |
| 15:43.57 | gnat_x | SmashingX: that's assuming bash is your shell; echo $SHELL should tell you that. |
| 15:44.23 | SmashingX | the output /bin/bash |
| 15:44.48 | gnat_x | yup, that's bash |
| 15:45.10 | SmashingX | ok, so now I go to that directory and I run the same command? |
| 15:45.15 | prefixed | stew then why would each apache process be using so much memory all of a sudden? |
| 15:45.26 | prefixed | also |
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| 15:45.31 | gnat_x | SmashingX: you edit ~/.bashrc and add that command. |
| 15:45.33 | prefixed | how can I show per-process memory usage? |
| 15:45.47 | SmashingX | ok |
| 15:46.12 | gnat_x | SmashingX: then next time you log in the alias will work. you can also run: "source ~/.bashrc" to pull the changes into your current shell. |
| 15:46.17 | boudiccas | how can i make all the files in a folder executable from the command line please? |
| 15:46.25 | SmashingX | mhh so then I edit .bashrc or the output that $SHELL gave me? |
| 15:46.31 | stew | prefixed: you said "last week when I was on squeeze". Are you no longer on squeeze? |
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| 15:46.47 | gnat_x | SmashingX: .bashrc |
| 15:46.54 | prefixed | stew I just upgraded to wheezy |
| 15:47.05 | SmashingX | there's no file with that name |
| 15:47.06 | prefixed | also how can I show per-process memory usage? |
| 15:47.07 | stew | prefixed: well that would be a big change |
| 15:47.13 | SmashingX | so then I create the file and add the command I gess? |
| 15:47.16 | SmashingX | guess |
| 15:47.17 | stew | prefixed: ps aux |
| 15:47.23 | gnat_x | SmashingX: the output of $SHELL was just to confirm you were using bash as your shell and not ksh or zsh or somesuch. |
| 15:47.25 | mtn | boudiccas: man chmod |
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| 15:47.39 | SmashingX | oh ok gnarface |
| 15:47.43 | SmashingX | oh ok gnat_x |
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| 15:48.09 | SmashingX | so like I said there's no file with that name, should I create one then? |
| 15:48.25 | gnat_x | boudiccas: you can do that with find. |
| 15:48.33 | stew | boudiccas: "chmod +x /someDir/*/" the trailing / is important there |
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| 15:48.57 | gnat_x | SmashingX: yeah, create ~/.bashrc (the ~/ signifies your home dir) |
| 15:49.08 | boudiccas | thankyou |
| 15:49.08 | SmashingX | ok |
| 15:49.27 | stew | boudiccas: oh, that would skip . directories though |
| 15:49.30 | SmashingX | and then inside that file I put foo="bar" for example? |
| 15:49.36 | SmashingX | gnat_x: ? |
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| 15:49.43 | gnat_x | SmashingX: yup. |
| 15:49.45 | SmashingX | ok |
| 15:49.50 | SmashingX | let me try it out |
| 15:50.08 | prefixed | stew so, what can I do about this? |
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| 15:50.30 | gnat_x | as well as any other settings you want to persist in you bash terminals; for example i have a variable set to my PGP fingerprint. |
| 15:50.57 | stew | boudiccas: if you need those you can use find: find /somedir -maxdepth 1 -type d -exec chmod +x {} + |
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| 15:51.16 | petn-randall | prefixed: You need to find out what causes the OOM first. |
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| 15:52.29 | SmashingX | mhh |
| 15:52.52 | SmashingX | gnat_x: I did that but still doesn't recognizes the command |
| 15:52.58 | SmashingX | I also did source ~/.bashrc |
| 15:53.08 | SmashingX | after I saved the changes |
| 15:53.16 | stew | prefixed: why is this a problem? |
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| 15:53.29 | stew | 24mb doesn't seem like a lot to me |
| 15:53.34 | gnat_x | SmashingX: you did something like: alias ll="ls -l" |
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| 15:53.56 | SmashingX | no |
| 15:54.01 | petn-randall | SmashingX: for aliases, you need 'alias abc='commandyouwant' |
| 15:54.04 | SmashingX | I thought I had to do foo='bar' |
| 15:54.05 | SmashingX | ok |
| 15:54.08 | SmashingX | let me do that |
| 15:54.29 | petn-randall | SmashingX: for environment variables, you need 'export FOO="bar baz"' |
| 15:54.52 | petn-randall | SmashingX: doing only foo='bar' will only set a variable for the length of the script. |
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| 15:55.46 | SmashingX | ok great |
| 15:55.50 | SmashingX | It worked now |
| 15:55.55 | stew | well export doesn't control how long it lives, but whether or not child processes inherit it, but i'm guessing you know this :) |
| 15:55.58 | SmashingX | thanks very much gnat_x! |
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| 15:57.14 | prefixed | stew my server has 2gb of ram |
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| 15:57.25 | stew | ok |
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| 15:58.07 | gnat_x | SmashingX: np. |
| 15:58.21 | stew | ! (2048 / 24) |
| 15:58.22 | dpkg | 85.333333333333 |
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| 15:58.58 | stew | prefixed: so depending on what else this box does, you'll probably want to limit MaxClients to something like 50 |
| 15:59.28 | stew | prefixed: you can audit which php extentions you have enabled |
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| 16:01.42 | petn-randall | prefixed: I still see no evidence how you come to the conclusion that PHP has memory leaks or causes your OOM. And I also fail to see how it is related to your squeeze -> wheezy upgrade. |
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| 16:01.53 | boudiccas | stew: i'm using ' find /home/boztu/programmes/rootit_v25/suff/ -maxdepth 1 -type d -exec chmod +x {} +' but its not working, they're still not executable. i'm checking by examining the gui of them and seeing if the executable flag is set, as i dont know how to do it from the cli |
| 16:02.09 | petn-randall | prefixed: It could just as well be that somebody is hammering your webserver for the first time and you haven't configured an upper limit. |
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| 16:04.12 | stew | I'm not going to be surprised of a stock config of php uses more memory in wheezy than squeeze |
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| 16:04.46 | stew | boudiccas: can you try changing chmod +x ... to echo chmod +x ... and see if the commands it wants to run seems sane and contianing the directories you are expecting? |
| 16:04.58 | boudiccas | k |
| 16:05.02 | petn-randall | If he upgraded and didn't let dpkg overwrite his custom config, it should be configured roughly the same. |
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| 16:08.43 | thanasisk | hi all, i have a question: i run debsecan and it finds a whole slew of vulnerabilities of high urgency - I do apt-get update && apt-get upgrade and the vulnerabilities do not change - what am I doing wrong or debian is slow on patches? are these false positives perhaps? |
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| 16:09.15 | TheWarden | Hi |
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| 16:10.02 | stew | thanasisk: show us the output of "apt-cache policy ; apt-cache policy packagename" for one such vulnerability |
| 16:10.03 | boudiccas | stew: chmod +x /home/boztu/programmes/rootit_v25/stuff/ the command looks okay but the file hasnt changed since 1544, even though i ran it at 1608 and the executable flag hasnt changed |
| 16:10.04 | TheWarden | is there a way to check volume levels for say Master, Front, etc. using amixer? I've been trying to figure it out but so far I haven't see a way. I get the output of what things are set to when I set a setting. |
| 16:10.17 | petn-randall | thanasisk: I haven't used it before. But you can cherry pick one vulnerability and check on https://security-tracker.debian.org/tracker/ if it actually still exists for that version. |
| 16:10.43 | stew | boudiccas: wait, no, that should have subdirectories of stuff, not stuff, right? |
| 16:10.48 | stew | bah, this probably need maxdepth 2 |
| 16:11.00 | stew | i'm good at getting confused about that |
| 16:11.14 | boudiccas | stew: ah right, there ar /no/ directories after /stuff |
| 16:11.37 | thanasisk | where do I paste bin? |
| 16:11.45 | stew | thanasisk: paste.debian.net ? |
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| 16:12.14 | petn-randall | TheWarden: amixer without any options gives you the current levels AFAICS. |
| 16:12.37 | thanasisk | stew: http://paste.debian.net/hidden/fcbc2368/ |
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| 16:13.29 | TheWarden | petn-randall: indeed it does, mm it just shows everything. I was hoping to limit it down to a specific card and control. |
| 16:13.31 | petn-randall | TheWarden: also the man page suggests that you can use get/sget/cget to read different things. |
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| 16:13.51 | TheWarden | petn-randall: what, how did I miss that. I'll look into that thanks. |
| 16:15.00 | petn-randall | TheWarden: Happens, we're also here to point out the obvious ;) |
| 16:15.18 | TheWarden | petn-randall: lol thanks :) |
| 16:15.54 | TheWarden | petn-randall: oh crap... get works perfectly. Need to read closer :). |
| 16:15.56 | boudiccas | stew: chmod +x /home/boztu/programmes/rootit_v25/ /home/boztu/programmes/rootit_v25/z_rootkit /home/boztu/programmes/rootit_v25/stuff comes from the command 'find /home/boztu/programmes/rootit_v25/ maxdepth 1 -type d -exec echo chmod +x {} +' so i dont know whats going on |
| 16:16.05 | thanasisk | https://security-tracker.debian.org/tracker/CVE-2012-3512 - HUH? I install the latest version available for squeeze and I am still vulnerable?!? |
| 16:16.39 | petn-randall | thanasisk: Have you checked the linked bug report? |
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| 16:17.11 | thanasisk | petn-randall: fixed on munin's side |
| 16:18.02 | petn-randall | thanasisk: Sometimes the security trackers still lists something as vulnerable, allthough the package isn't affected. The list on security-tracker is maintained by hand. |
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| 16:18.12 | petn-randall | s/trackers/tracker/ |
| 16:18.30 | thanasisk | where can i apply to be a volunteer? |
| 16:18.45 | stew | thanasisk: you dont' have to apply, you can just start sending patches to the bts |
| 16:18.54 | stew | petn-randall: that one is still vulnerable in stable |
| 16:19.18 | thanasisk | stew: so basically i sit in and wait for a patch? |
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| 16:20.11 | stew | thanasisk: there is probably no patch coming |
| 16:20.25 | thanasisk | stew so what are my options? |
| 16:21.08 | stew | thanasisk: disable the vulnerable plugins, switch the newer non-vulnerable version in backports, don't let untrusted local users on this box (this is a local only exploit) |
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| 16:21.48 | stew | looks like when redhat fixed this they just switched to the newer munin instead of patching the old (which would be an extreme measure in debian's eyes) |
| 16:21.50 | petn-randall | thanasisk: As far as I can see it's easily fixable by making the plugin not writeable by munin. |
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| 16:23.53 | thanasisk | so do I have to each vulnerability reported by debsecan, check it against the tracker and hope that a patch is out? |
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| 16:24.53 | petn-randall | thanasisk: Hard to say, I don't know where debsecan sources its information from, and how robust that is. |
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| 16:25.11 | thanasisk | petn-randall: it comes from the debian security manual |
| 16:25.32 | thanasisk | this is where i learned this tool from and it seems legit (no pun intended) |
| 16:26.39 | thanasisk | so far I checked 2 vulns, two of them are unlatched on stable |
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| 16:28.20 | thanasisk | how about this one: https://security-tracker.debian.org/tracker/CVE-2011-4815 |
| 16:28.25 | thanasisk | nice eh? |
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| 16:29.11 | petn-randall | thanasisk: Meh. Only relevant if you use user input to generate hashes. |
| 16:29.39 | petn-randall | thanasisk: Also, PHP had the same bug, and failed to fix it properly on the first run. |
| 16:29.57 | petn-randall | thanasisk: Btw, Perl anticipated the problem over 10 years ago and fixed it back then ... |
| 16:30.02 | stew | there a surprise :) |
| 16:30.04 | stew | (php) |
| 16:30.17 | thanasisk | petn-randall: still it should have been patched. i went the extra mile and read the documentation and work overtime to verify my system is reasonably secure but debian does not provide the fixes for me |
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| 16:30.31 | thanasisk | kudos for the openness of information and the infrastructure but still |
| 16:30.50 | petn-randall | thanasisk: you can still bump the issue with a bug report to the maintainer. |
| 16:31.16 | petn-randall | thanasisk: bonus points if you have the patch fixing it for the version in stable. |
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| 16:31.44 | thanasisk | will have a look |
| 16:32.34 | petn-randall | thanasisk: The security team is always overworked nowadays, they'll be more than happy if you share your fixed packages. |
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| 16:32.53 | thanasisk | petn-randall: what if i don't know how to fix the package? |
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| 16:33.31 | petn-randall | thanasisk: Then just bump it with the maintainer. Chances are good he'll fix it and just missed it the first time. |
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| 16:33.54 | apm1 | clam av looks for windows viruses only right ? |
| 16:34.04 | thanasisk | petn-randall: will do, on my own time |
| 16:34.11 | thanasisk | not on companies dime :) |
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| 16:34.24 | stew | check the bts for that bug, see why its not fixed if there is an explanation. see if redhat had a patch wich applies against the debian source |
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| 16:34.49 | thanasisk | stew: what is btw? |
| 16:34.54 | thomaschaaf | I have a little problem with wireless networking on debian. I am connected to a wireless network. And if I ping the machine I have varying pings of 5 to 1000 ms my computer => debian device. The other way around it is constantly 5 ms. With this sshing into the machine is a pain. What could be the causes for this? I am using wpa_cli to connect to the network. And the device is a ath9k device. |
| 16:34.59 | thanasisk | bts sorry |
| 16:35.09 | thanasisk | bug tracking system? |
| 16:35.26 | stew | yes, bugs.debian.org/packagename or bugs.debian.org/bugnumber |
| 16:35.36 | thanasisk | will do |
| 16:35.43 | stew | when you look in security-tracker.debian.org for a CVE, it should have a link to the debian bug |
| 16:36.16 | synamics | thomaschaaf, hey |
| 16:36.28 | synamics | thomaschaaf, what's your wireless card? |
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| 16:37.57 | thomaschaaf | synamics: TL-WN781ND |
| 16:38.09 | petn-randall | thomaschaaf: Maybe the neighbour is using an unshielded microwave. Do you see any error messages in /var/log/kern.log or /var/log/messages? |
| 16:38.11 | synamics | thomaschaaf, isn't that your wireless router? |
| 16:38.26 | thomaschaaf | http://www.tp-link.com/ch/products/details/?model=TL-WN781ND |
| 16:38.28 | thomaschaaf | no |
| 16:38.47 | synamics | thomaschaaf, I meant, what's your PC wireless card |
| 16:38.58 | thomaschaaf | The connection is: debian <->router<->windows machine |
| 16:39.22 | thomaschaaf | debian -> windows is 5 ms, windows -> debian is anything between 5 and 1000 ms |
| 16:39.24 | petn-randall | thomaschaaf: Put one of them on a cabled network, to narrow down the problem. |
| 16:39.34 | synamics | thomaschaaf, what's your wireless card... |
| 16:39.47 | petn-randall | thomaschaaf: For all you know, it could be a problem between router and your windows machine. |
| 16:40.21 | thomaschaaf | on my windows device Intel 1000 bgn but I can ping other devices like the router very constantly with just a couple ms |
| 16:40.34 | needle | thomaschaaf: it could be the linux firmware too, try older one |
| 16:40.36 | thomaschaaf | 3 or 4 ms |
| 16:41.20 | needle | however wireless connections is a shared medium, there are a lots of collisions in WLAN |
| 16:41.26 | thomaschaaf | tracert/traceroute don't have any hops inbetween is there anyway to check where the packages get stuck? |
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| 16:43.02 | petn-randall | thomaschaaf: Yes, use a cable between your router and the windows machine so you can debug the wireless connection between router and debian machine. |
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| 16:43.25 | needle | thomaschaaf: traceroute is the wrong tool for layer2 inspection, your wireless router is only a bridge |
| 16:43.39 | petn-randall | ^^ what needle says |
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| 16:44.28 | timmmaaaayyy | is it possible to cat or tail /var/log files without sudo? my normal user cannot do it |
| 16:44.28 | needle | yes, use a cable to narrow the problem thomaschaaf, like petn-randall suggests |
| 16:44.28 | thomaschaaf | I sadly don't have one. but will try to see if I can tshark anything |
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| 16:44.50 | thomaschaaf | in the office the computer worked thats sadly all I can do now |
| 16:45.18 | petn-randall | needle: :) |
| 16:45.26 | needle | ;) |
| 16:45.44 | thomaschaaf | lan anyways worked :D |
| 16:46.06 | needle | you mean rather, cable connection always works like a charm thomaschaaf ;) |
| 16:46.35 | thomaschaaf | yes cables are awesome.. they should make something like it thats wireless :P |
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| 16:48.06 | petn-randall | the only downside is that moste mobile phones don't ship with RJ-45 ;) |
| 16:48.24 | petn-randall | which would be AWESOME! |
| 16:48.40 | thomaschaaf | I found a ethernet cable :) |
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| 16:48.46 | thomaschaaf | so let me move the box |
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| 16:49.21 | petn-randall | </problem> |
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| 16:50.02 | thomaschaaf | well I want to use wifi so sadly not the end of the problem |
| 16:50.21 | petn-randall | thomaschaaf: just kidding, go ahead. ;) |
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| 16:53.20 | thomaschaaf | petn-randall: but now that it is connected by cable I can't connect it to the wireless at the same time because that would cause a network circle or not? |
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| 16:54.01 | petn-randall | thomaschaaf: maybe. I'd shut down the wireless on your desktop to be sure the data goes over the cable. |
| 16:54.31 | thomaschaaf | oh I connected the cable to the other device |
| 16:54.33 | thomaschaaf | -.- |
| 16:54.48 | thomaschaaf | I connected it to the debian box |
| 16:54.50 | thomaschaaf | not the windows |
| 16:54.54 | petn-randall | thomaschaaf: never mind, what ever device is connected via cable shouldn't have the wireless on. |
| 16:55.08 | thomaschaaf | okay done then |
| 16:55.16 | thomaschaaf | a ping is 5 ms now |
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| 16:55.41 | thomaschaaf | laptop <wireless> router <cable> debian |
| 16:55.45 | jigal | hi i have a webserver running on debian but emails are not sent. what can it be? |
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| 16:56.02 | petn-randall | thomaschaaf: let is run for 30-60 secs, to get stable data |
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| 16:56.20 | petn-randall | jigal: Do you have a MTA installed? |
| 16:56.53 | jigal | petemc, MTA? |
| 16:57.47 | jigal | petn-randall, nope probably not because I don't know it |
| 16:58.04 | thomaschaaf | windows -> debian 6 ms avg max 34, debian -> windows 5 ms avg max 8.5 |
| 16:58.05 | prefixed | ok |
| 16:58.32 | petn-randall | jigal: Mail Transfer Agent. postfix, exim4, sendmail, etc. |
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| 16:58.37 | invariant | Bind has some security problem, but I don't see any updates for Squeeze? |
| 16:59.08 | petn-randall | invariant: oooh, is this a guessing game? What's the prize? :) |
| 16:59.18 | invariant | jigal, e-mail does not magically work, unfortunately. |
| 16:59.27 | thomaschaaf | petn-randall: so I have stable results now see above |
| 16:59.37 | invariant | petn-randall, no, you would know about it, if you already fixed it. |
| 17:00.15 | jigal | petn-randall, invariant i see taht exim4 is installed |
| 17:00.17 | petn-randall | thomaschaaf: If you connect the cable between the other part? |
| 17:00.40 | thomaschaaf | I will do that now this will disconnect me from irc really quickly though |
| 17:00.42 | invariant | petn-randall, https://kb.isc.org/article/AA-00871 |
| 17:01.06 | invariant | !security |
| 17:01.07 | dpkg | Put "deb http://security.debian.org/ squeeze/updates main contrib non-free" in your /etc/apt/sources.list file to keep up-to-date on security updates in stable. Run "aptitude update" and "aptitude upgrade" (or "aptitude full-upgrade" if the updates are kept back). Also ask me about <dsa>, <security backports>, <oldstable security>, <testing security>, <unstable security>. |
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| 17:02.09 | TheWarden | Are /etc/cron.d/ files constructed the same way as user level crontabs? I want to create one for my package that would run a command as root. |
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| 17:02.23 | jelly | invariant: /msg dpkg cve lookup CVE-2013-2266 |
| 17:02.44 | TheWarden | Do I just make a crontab by say doing vi /etc/cron.d/file_name |
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| 17:04.24 | petn-randall | invariant: Interesting, I wonder though if the attacker needs to craft malicious data to trigger this (doable), or if the attacker needs to create the regex (probably not doable). |
| 17:04.32 | ivankv | TheWarden: crontabs are located: /var/spool/cron/crontabs/ |
| 17:04.38 | jelly | TheWarden: man 5 crontab says "[...] files in /etc/cron.d. These files also have username fields, that none of the other crontabs do" |
| 17:04.52 | invariant | Have fun exploiting millions of Debian servers, I suppose?! |
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| 17:05.15 | invariant | Don't they usually first share this kind of information with vendors (like Debian)? |
| 17:05.57 | jelly | invariant: they do. You may assume it was shared on vendor-sec, and that the security team is working on a fix. |
| 17:06.05 | acu_ | I am using debian, but I had do download an application for ubuntu linux. To configure the app I first run the Java configuration tool with java -jar command, but I get an error: Exception in thread "main" java.lang.InternalError: Can't connect to X11 window server using ':0' as the value of the DISPLAY variable. Does it mean |
| 17:06.06 | jelly | FSVO "They" |
| 17:06.26 | TheWarden | ivankv: yes user level crontabs only. I'm wanting to create a crontab in /etc/cron.d/... I guess I just use vi to do that. |
| 17:06.45 | TheWarden | jelly: yes I saw that, I guess I'll give it a go and see what happens. |
| 17:06.47 | ivankv | yeah |
| 17:06.47 | petn-randall | acu_: You're running it as root? |
| 17:07.16 | acu_ | petn-randall, yes |
| 17:07.33 | petn-randall | acu_: Does it need root? |
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| 17:08.35 | acu_ | petn-randall, do not know. maybe not? |
| 17:08.37 | petn-randall | acu_: I'd try to run it as your user first, and only then as root. |
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| 17:10.08 | petn-randall | invariant: They didn't share an exploit or any details to it yet, so I guess they're still working on a fix. |
| 17:10.26 | petn-randall | invariant: Note that there's no fix available yet. |
| 17:10.45 | thomaschaaf | petn-randall: windows <cable> router <wifi> debian, deb -> win avg 3 ms, max 7 ms win -> deb avg 407ms, max 1535ms |
| 17:11.10 | thomaschaaf | so its something the debian is doing wrong with the wifi |
| 17:11.26 | petn-randall | thomaschaaf: Hmm, then probably somethings wrong with the wireless on the debian machine. |
| 17:11.46 | thomaschaaf | well I knew that i wanted to find out what |
| 17:11.56 | petn-randall | thomaschaaf: Though I don't understand how the round-trip time can be so different, since each ping has to go way and back anyway. |
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| 17:12.16 | thomaschaaf | I am thinking that some routing is being messed up |
| 17:12.24 | thomaschaaf | maybe the wireless goes to sleep |
| 17:12.32 | needle | there is no routing involved thomaschaaf , it is only switching |
| 17:12.41 | petn-randall | thomaschaaf: That shouldn't cause any latency, that would just make sure the packages never arrive. |
| 17:13.04 | prefixed | if I ps aux | grep www-data, I find that each process slowly grows in size as time goes on. what the heck is going on here? |
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| 17:13.55 | petn-randall | prefixed: I can't reproduce it here :) |
| 17:14.06 | petn-randall | prefixed: Maybe you want to fill us in on *all* the details? |
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| 17:14.23 | prefixed | well |
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| 17:14.29 | prefixed | I keep running out of memory on my host |
| 17:14.32 | prefixed | 2gb |
| 17:14.36 | petn-randall | right. |
| 17:14.37 | prefixed | apache + php + mysql |
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| 17:14.42 | petn-randall | What application is that? |
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| 17:14.49 | blackjack | i want to install squid 3 on debian |
| 17:14.51 | blackjack | but this wtf http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=597687 |
| 17:15.10 | prefixed | just a website / blog that serves content via drupal |
| 17:15.40 | thomaschaaf | bum |
| 17:16.12 | petn-randall | thomaschaaf: I forgot, did you check the logs yet? |
| 17:16.22 | thomaschaaf | yep nothing there |
| 17:17.22 | jelly | petn-randall: Re: bind DoS, there is a fix, "ISC has released patched versions of BIND (9.9.2-P2 and 9.8.4-P2) as a solution for production environments. In parallel we have BIND 9.9.3 and 9.8.5 under development and as part of the release cycle we released versions 9.9.3b2 and 9.8.5b2 that are not vulnerable to this defect." |
| 17:18.07 | petn-randall | prefixed: DETAILS. GIVE. THEM. What website is running there? What version of drupal? Squeeze's or did you install it manually? Are those processes running the drupal code? |
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| 17:18.50 | petn-randall | jelly: Ah, I see. Guess those updates will pour in soon ... |
| 17:20.05 | petn-randall | blackjack: That doesn't stop you from installing. |
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| 17:21.20 | prefixed | petn-randall http://pastebin.com/ahp4bFwL // http://inyourspeakers.com/ // deblian wheezy // druapl 6.20 - manual install // these processes are running drupal code |
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| 17:22.32 | acu_ | petn-randall, thanks it works |
| 17:22.52 | petn-randall | acu_: Glad I could help. |
| 17:22.55 | stew | prefixed: if you keep running out of memory, you'll have to limit MaxClients |
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| 17:23.53 | prefixed | stew I just cut maxclients to 100 |
| 17:24.01 | stew | yeah, that's too many |
| 17:24.07 | prefixed | what should it be? |
| 17:24.14 | stew | prefixed: how much memory is each php process? |
| 17:24.23 | petn-randall | prefixed: I'd check if you have replaced config files by accident on upgrade. Check /etc/apache2/ and the dirs beneath for files ending with '.dpkg-old' |
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| 17:24.29 | prefixed | how would I determin that? |
| 17:24.41 | stew | how did you determine they were 24 mb before? |
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| 17:24.59 | prefixed | stew dmsg |
| 17:25.02 | lopoche | Hello, every time i debootstrap wheezy i have a "W: GPG error: http://ftp.fr.debian.org wheezy Release: The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG AED4B06F473041FA Debian Archive Automatic Signing Key (6.0/squeeze)", do you know why ? |
| 17:25.12 | prefixed | however |
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| 17:25.24 | lopoche | this is an aptitude error |
| 17:25.25 | prefixed | stew look at http://pastebin.com/ahp4bFwL |
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| 17:28.34 | prefixed | actually stew look at this one http://pastebin.com/7AmFDzMk |
| 17:29.19 | stew | prefixed: didn't you say this was cgi not mod_php? |
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| 17:29.49 | prefixed | no, I said I was thinking of switching to cgi |
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| 17:30.30 | jonaskoelker | Hello. I want to update a .py file owned by a package (under pyshared), then regenerate the .pyc files in pythonX.Y/...; how do I go about that? |
| 17:30.34 | stew | prefixed: how do you use dmsg to determine how much memory something is using? |
| 17:31.20 | regular | is anyone here using Google Chrome? |
| 17:31.26 | Towzzer | yes |
| 17:31.35 | regular | And/or getting messages that Google is no longer supporting the browser? |
| 17:31.35 | jonaskoelker | regular: I'm using chromium, fwiw |
| 17:31.35 | UserUnk201302 | yep |
| 17:31.44 | regular | what the **** is going on? |
| 17:31.45 | Towzzer | chrome is saying that no? |
| 17:31.47 | Towzzer | now? |
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| 17:31.49 | UserUnk201302 | no, notice of that |
| 17:31.55 | prefixed | stew dmesg showed a list of processes right before a crash, and all the www-data processes were using 8 - 24mb |
| 17:32.01 | stew | jonaskoelker: you want to just do it the hacky way, or do you want to do it the right way? |
| 17:32.07 | Towzzer | prefixed, are you having memory issues with apache and php? |
| 17:32.11 | regular | Towzzer: yes |
| 17:32.12 | prefixed | stew there were a TON of them btw > 100 |
| 17:32.19 | regular | I'm not the only one who get's this message |
| 17:32.19 | jonaskoelker | stew: if you're in the mood to teach me the right way, please do so :) |
| 17:32.21 | sparadokos | regular: I do |
| 17:32.24 | Towzzer | what's your start servers and other stuff like that set to |
| 17:32.27 | prefixed | Towzzer yes |
| 17:32.29 | regular | https://productforums.google.com/forum/#!msg/chrome/H_pSdWtu8XE/hMFUwnGcg2gJ |
| 17:32.29 | prefixed | :( |
| 17:32.50 | stew | prefixed: what is 2048 mb divided by 24 mb |
| 17:32.52 | Towzzer | I used to use 1,8,8,256,256 as a starting point for lamp |
| 17:33.14 | prefixed | stew I can really only allot a gig to phpo |
| 17:33.29 | prefixed | so like 42 |
| 17:33.45 | stew | jonaskoelker: apt-get install build-essential ; apt-get build-dep packagename ; apt-get source packagename ; edit the .py in the source, use dch --nmu to generate a new changelog entry and therefore new version number; dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot ; and you should have new packages in .. |
| 17:34.08 | Towzzer | prefixed, limit your max servers and max clients setting |
| 17:34.12 | jonaskoelker | stew: you were cut off (by yourself?) at "new packages in .." |
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| 17:34.14 | Towzzer | I see people set them too high |
| 17:34.18 | stew | prefixed: so you can only handle (1024 / 24) clients at a time |
| 17:34.35 | stew | jonaskoelker: no i wasn't. you'll have new pacakges in the directory named by ".." |
| 17:34.36 | prefixed | what exactly is a "client" |
| 17:34.48 | jonaskoelker | stew: ah :) |
| 17:34.49 | stew | prefixed: usually a web browser |
| 17:35.29 | prefixed | stew ok |
| 17:35.32 | prefixed | that clarifies a lot |
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| 17:35.41 | m4sker | hi |
| 17:36.13 | prefixed | I am going to have to switch to nginx |
| 17:36.31 | prefixed | 50 is too little |
| 17:36.39 | Towzzer | nginx + php-fpm :D |
| 17:36.43 | Towzzer | so wonderful |
| 17:36.48 | petn-randall | regular: Just update your browser? Chrome isn't part of Debian, so just update it the way you installed it in the first place ... |
| 17:36.51 | stew | you should get more memory |
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| 17:37.01 | jonaskoelker | stew: that'll install and upgrade a bunch of packages. I think I'll perhaps do that after a review by the other sysadmins. What's the hacky way to update the .pyc files? |
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| 17:37.15 | prefixed | stew not sure if that's a possibility at the moment |
| 17:37.19 | jonaskoelker | (or, perhaps, if I do the whole thing in the hacky way, how do I update the .pyc files) |
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| 17:37.23 | prefixed | this is for a music blog |
| 17:37.31 | prefixed | (and music blogs don't make money) |
| 17:37.47 | prefixed | anywho |
| 17:38.00 | prefixed | stew what happens if more than the max number of clients try to connect? |
| 17:38.03 | petn-randall | prefixed: 50 doesn't sound that bad. It's 50 *concurrent* users. |
| 17:38.12 | prefixed | yeah |
| 17:38.16 | stew | prefixed: they wait |
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| 17:38.25 | prefixed | do they get some sort of error message? |
| 17:38.28 | petn-randall | prefixed: The connection is accepted, and waits until a worker is free. |
| 17:38.36 | petn-randall | prefixed: which means more latency. |
| 17:38.37 | stew | make sure you don't have an obnoxiously long keepalive |
| 17:38.44 | regular | so nobody else having problem with the last update of Chrome on Debian? |
| 17:38.47 | prefixed | 2 seconds? |
| 17:38.53 | stew | that's good |
| 17:38.56 | stew | 15 is not |
| 17:39.07 | petn-randall | regular: JUST UPDATE IT. It's not part of Debian. |
| 17:39.14 | prefixed | ok |
| 17:39.18 | regular | I just updated. |
| 17:39.20 | regular | nevermind |
| 17:39.21 | prefixed | well, let's see what happens with this |
| 17:39.32 | regular | and it was when all went wrong |
| 17:39.37 | prefixed | I think I'll try apache + php-fsm first |
| 17:39.42 | regular | not only on my machine, by the way. |
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| 17:39.45 | petn-randall | regular: Did it fix your problem? |
| 17:39.56 | prefixed | see if I can squeeze 100 concurrent users out |
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| 17:41.39 | petn-randall | prefixed: It's probably better to set it up to have just so many your server never hits the swap. Because if you turn it up to high, you'll get a *huge* performance drop and it'll be worse than with a lower number. |
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| 17:42.05 | prefixed | I don't have swap enabled |
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| 17:42.39 | petn-randall | prefixed: Ok, but an OOM will be visible by the user. He'll get a 500 error message, so don't turn the knob too high. |
| 17:43.05 | petn-randall | prefixed: In the other case the user'll just wait a little longer, which may not even be noticeable. |
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| 17:43.29 | prefixed | OOM? |
| 17:43.37 | prefixed | oh |
| 17:43.39 | petn-randall | prefixed: out-of-memory |
| 17:43.40 | prefixed | out of memory |
| 17:43.44 | prefixed | ok |
| 17:43.45 | prefixed | well |
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| 17:43.49 | prefixed | I have it at 50 now |
| 17:43.53 | prefixed | we'll see what happens with it |
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| 17:46.38 | jonaskoelker | stew: did my last question scroll by you? |
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| 17:49.40 | petn-randall | jonaskoelker: What stew said sounds straight-forward to me. Why don't you want to install new packages? |
| 17:49.59 | petn-randall | jonaskoelker: That should upgrade any packages unless your system was out of date anyway. |
| 17:50.08 | petn-randall | s/should/shouldn't/ |
| 17:50.17 | tharkun | ok, so network manager is a pita how do I make it manage the local cable network so gnome knows about it? |
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| 17:51.55 | petn-randall | tharkun: I should do that automatically, unless the interface is already configured in /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 17:52.58 | tharkun | petn-randall: eth0 has the usual dhcp stuff ... should it say something else? |
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| 17:53.49 | petn-randall | tharkun: If you want to configure eth0 via network-manager, you have to remove/comment it out in that file. |
| 17:54.27 | petn-randall | tharkun: You can't configure a device in both /etc/network/interfaces *and* network-manager. It makes sense if you think about it. |
| 17:54.54 | tharkun | petn-randall: defenetly let me do some editing lets see what happens |
| 17:54.58 | TheWarden | Can someone please explain to me what should be within a conffiles file for a Debian binary package? I understand it lists files that the package has, but which files only *.conf files or only files within /etc/*? |
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| 17:56.28 | petn-randall | TheWarden: Conffiles are all files that in a package that are configurable. This also includes e.g. /etc/init.d/apache2. |
| 17:56.34 | tharkun | petn-randall: network manager applet says the device is not managed |
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| 17:56.44 | petn-randall | TheWarden: Not sure if that answers you question. |
| 17:56.45 | jhutchins_wk | TheWarden: The idea is for conf files to be treated in a special way during upgrades. Normally the files would all get overwritten with the new version, but if you've customized the file then we don't want it overwritten. |
| 17:57.03 | petn-randall | tharkun: You need to restart network-manager. |
| 17:57.14 | jhutchins_wk | TheWarden: I don' think the concept extends to ~/.conf files. |
| 17:57.36 | petn-randall | tharkun: Oh, and bring the device down before you remove it from /etc/network/interfaces. |
| 17:57.55 | jhutchins_wk | petn-randall: Yeah, that's fun when you remove it first and try to take it down. |
| 17:58.30 | tharkun | petn-randall: yes, bringing the device down and telling nm to manage them and it is up now. Thanks |
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| 17:58.48 | TheWarden | petn-randall: mmm okay |
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| 17:59.08 | TheWarden | jhutchins_wk: so not say files within ~/.config ? |
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| 18:00.05 | petn-randall | TheWarden: No, config files in user dirs are never touched by packages. |
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| 18:00.52 | peterrooney | I can't figure out this one: using fglrx driver, ati2400HD, virtual consoles become invisible. I can still log on blindly via them, but nothing is visible. debian bug 580230 was the closest match I could find, but was closed in 2010 when a newer version came out. |
| 18:00.59 | Anaki | Guuuuuuuuys, why I can just watch YouTube and videos on all other platforms not? :(( |
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| 18:01.47 | trewe | hi, if I want to recover deleted files, which would be the recommended procedure? |
| 18:01.54 | petn-randall | Anaki: Hi, could you rephrase your question? |
| 18:01.59 | petn-randall | trewe: You can't. |
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| 18:02.36 | petn-randall | trewe: If the filesystem is dead, you can still use tools to find file signature and hope they weren't fragmented and then you might get a working file back. |
| 18:02.49 | peterrooney | trewe: you might want to look into file carving; but odds are exceptionally low with typical debian filesystems. |
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| 18:02.54 | TheWarden | petn-randall: mm so really stuff in /etc/ only then |
| 18:02.57 | petn-randall | trewe: But you surely have backups, riiight? |
| 18:03.13 | Anaki | petn-randall, whata does mean rephase? |
| 18:03.47 | petn-randall | Anaki: I didn't quite understand your question. I was asking if you could use different words to ask your question. |
| 18:03.58 | Anaki | Okay okay, sorry |
| 18:04.00 | Anaki | So |
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| 18:04.26 | petn-randall | Anaki: No problem, I can understand that english isn't everyone's native language, so go ahead. :) |
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| 18:05.06 | Anaki | I can watch videos in internet. But just videos on YouTube, you know? If I want to watch other videos (for example movies and series) that doesnt work! I cannot watch on any other platforms :( |
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| 18:06.03 | petn-randall | Anaki: Ah, I see. Maybe you're missing the flash plugin. Do you have the package flashplugin-nonfree installed? |
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| 18:06.31 | Anaki | maybe, maybe not I dont know =( How to see that? |
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| 18:06.59 | petn-randall | TheWarden: Usually, yes. Its a convention to put all conffiles into /etc/. Technically, as a package maintainer you could mark any file as conffile, or refuse to mark a file in /etc/ as conffile, though I don't recommend it. |
| 18:07.08 | petn-randall | Anaki: You're on Debian? |
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| 18:07.18 | Anaki | petn-randall, yes, of course |
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| 18:07.54 | petn-randall | Anaki: Just making sure :). 'apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree' should do the trick. Or use your favourite graphical package manager. |
| 18:08.30 | Anaki | You mean I have to type in that in terminal? |
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| 18:08.46 | stew | i think conffiles MUST be in /etc/ |
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| 18:09.30 | Anaki | stew, yes |
| 18:09.35 | Anaki | but there are so many files =( |
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| 18:09.48 | stew | actually not just conffiles but all configuration files |
| 18:10.08 | petn-randall | stew: Well, it would of course be a RC bug, but I think the packaging tools won't stop you from doing it. |
| 18:10.27 | Anaki | petn-randall, so what I have to do? Type in terminal? |
| 18:10.40 | Anaki | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:10.41 | stew | petn-randall: i think dak would reject it |
| 18:10.51 | stew | oh, well for a conffile |
| 18:11.11 | stew | clearly dak cannot tell what is a configuration file but not a conffile |
| 18:11.36 | Anaki | If I type that |
| 18:11.39 | Anaki | then it says |
| 18:12.01 | Anaki | E: Paket »flashplugin-nonfree« hat keinen Installationskandidaten |
| 18:12.04 | Anaki | what means |
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| 18:12.34 | stew | its not an installation candidate |
| 18:12.39 | stew | probably that you haven't enabled contrib |
| 18:12.42 | Anaki | E: Package >>flashplugin-nonfree<< have no install candidate |
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| 18:12.59 | Anaki | stew, www, what means that? |
| 18:13.00 | stew | right. you have to have the contrib repositories enabled |
| 18:13.11 | Anaki | How I do that? |
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| 18:14.13 | Anaki | brb! |
| 18:14.16 | Cavil | edit /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 18:14.26 | Cavil | with a text editor |
| 18:14.44 | Cavil | :%s/main/main contrib non-free/g |
| 18:14.49 | sKeiths | Hi, i run 'apt-get remove dasher' to remove the predictive text application, but apt-get suggests its going to remove lots of stuff. http://paste.debian.net/245493/. |
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| 18:14.59 | KsM | "edit /etc/apt/sources.list with an image editor!" |
| 18:15.33 | petn-randall | Cavil: That would imply vim :) |
| 18:15.47 | jeffrin | Anaki : deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian stable main contrib nonfree (put this in your sources.list) |
| 18:16.04 | Cavil | petn-randall: yes |
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| 18:16.12 | Cavil | though i m no expert |
| 18:16.14 | petn-randall | dpkg: tell Anaki -about contrib |
| 18:16.51 | petn-randall | jeffrin: That would make him have the debian repo twice in there. :/ |
| 18:17.16 | zykotick9 | notes, that by adding contrib and non-free, you are also losing something - your freedom |
| 18:17.45 | stew | contrib is all free packages! |
| 18:17.52 | petn-randall | zykotick9: But you trade it in for fun!! Yay! \o/ |
| 18:18.00 | jeffrin | Anaki : it may be better to use free stuff (free as in freedom ) |
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| 18:18.46 | zykotick9 | stew: you can't tell me that the free flash-non-free-whatever script, is what you'd call valuable in itself. |
| 18:19.01 | jeffrin | Anaki : may be chromium has a free flash player |
| 18:19.19 | stew | zykotick9: no, I wouldnt |
| 18:19.25 | petn-randall | Oh, another license argument. Is it friday already? |
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| 18:19.36 | zykotick9 | gnash is the free flash plugin. but flash in non-free garbage regardless. |
| 18:19.41 | brotatos | does debian have systemd support as well as systemd's readahead? |
| 18:19.44 | jeffrin | petn-randall : correct related |
| 18:19.50 | Anaki | jeffrin, i already tryed |
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| 18:19.56 | Anaki | it has no |
| 18:20.42 | zykotick9 | petn-randall: s.h.i.t. sorry hun it's thursday ;) |
| 18:21.06 | jeffrin | Anaki : may be the latest version of chromium has free flash related |
| 18:21.30 | HideMe | I'm experiencing an error "Unable to find required classes (javax.activation.DataHandler and javax.mail.internet.MimeMultipart). Attachment support is disabled." From what I've read, mail.jar is required, but cannot find this for Debian. any suggestions? |
| 18:22.01 | Anaki | petn-randall, I have open source.list so how I have to copy your link there? |
| 18:22.13 | petn-randall | jeffrin: Huh? Since when does chromium come with a libre flash plugin? |
| 18:22.46 | sKeiths | if i run apt-get remove dasher, will it break my desktop install. |
| 18:23.05 | stew | Anaki: where it says "main" at the ends of lines, it should say "main contrib" |
| 18:23.08 | petn-randall | jeffrin: As far as I know Chrome (!=Chromium) started bundling the adobe flash plugin, maybe you mean that? |
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| 18:23.49 | Cavil | chrome can use youtube etc without flash- on-free |
| 18:23.59 | zykotick9 | sKeiths: it's breaking gnome-accessibility, why are you trying to remove it? |
| 18:24.01 | Anaki | stew, at ALL links there or just at one |
| 18:24.37 | stew | Anaki: any of the ones going to debian mirrors (which is hopefully all) |
| 18:24.40 | petn-randall | HideMe: What is it you're installing? Maybe check with the docs from the software you're trying to install? |
| 18:24.54 | Anaki | argh, its save, i cannot change smth there |
| 18:25.05 | sKeiths | zykotick9. because i don't need it. maybe if i only had one hand i'd need it. |
| 18:25.07 | Anaki | # deb http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/ squeeze main |
| 18:25.07 | Anaki | deb http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/ squeeze main |
| 18:25.07 | Anaki | deb-src http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/ squeeze main |
| 18:25.07 | Anaki | deb http://security.debian.org/ squeeze/updates main |
| 18:25.07 | Anaki | deb-src http://security.debian.org/ squeeze/updates main |
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| 18:25.30 | Anaki | That was my source.list |
| 18:25.36 | Anaki | *sources |
| 18:25.53 | HideMe | petn-randall, I require the Debian package for http://java.sun.com/products/javamail/downloads/index.html |
| 18:26.05 | stew | Anaki: if you want to paste more than a line or two, use a paste site |
| 18:26.18 | Anaki | okay |
| 18:26.25 | stew | HideMe: you'll have to ask oracle for it, they have probited us from distributing it |
| 18:26.43 | zykotick9 | sKeiths: i'd just leave stuff that is part of any of the gnome meta-packages, there are several. the benefit of removing them is too small for the work involved to remove them properly (you'd need to mark everything as manually installed from the metapackages involved to start removing individual packages. it's not worth it) good luck. |
| 18:27.22 | sKeiths | okay. thanks zykotick9. glad i asked. |
| 18:27.25 | stew | oh wait, javamail might be separate |
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| 18:27.55 | petn-randall | sKeiths: Quite frankly, removing stuff essential for the desktop to work is not worth the disk it saves in comparison to the trouble. |
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| 18:28.55 | stew | no, it doesn't look like there is javamail i would assume it is under the same crappy license |
| 18:29.05 | jeffrin | petn-randall,Anaki : http://chromeoszone.blogspot.in/2011/10/pepper-flash-player.html |
| 18:29.16 | petn-randall | sKeiths: If you feel frisky, in aptitude you can mark it for removing, then mark the packages it wants to remove, which you need, as installed. |
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| 18:29.50 | petn-randall | sKeiths: That way you can remove parts of your desktop environment, and it might even still work after that. But if it breaks, you get to keep the peaces :) |
| 18:30.38 | petn-randall | jeffrin: That's the non-free, standard Adobe flash player with some sugar on it! |
| 18:30.47 | petn-randall | jeffrin: It's surely not in chromium. |
| 18:31.20 | Anaki | Thats so complicated for me :( What I simply have to do at all =( |
| 18:31.42 | zykotick9 | chromium can use gnash i'm pretty sure. "chrome" is an out-of-debian-repo, non-free browser - it's a bad suggestion really... |
| 18:32.07 | TheWarden | petn-randall: okay, thanks. |
| 18:32.21 | Cavil | i love google chrome |
| 18:32.22 | petn-randall | Anaki: How far did you get? Did you run into problems editing /etc/apt/sources.list? |
| 18:32.35 | Anaki | Also |
| 18:32.41 | Anaki | I cannot change things there |
| 18:32.47 | Anaki | Its locked |
| 18:32.50 | jhutchins_wk | Is it possible to specify owner and group when creating a directory? |
| 18:32.56 | Cavil | sudo Anaki |
| 18:33.01 | stew | Anaki: only the root user can, you can sudoedit it |
| 18:33.12 | stew | jhutchins_wk: with install, not with mkdir |
| 18:33.14 | Cavil | Anaki: sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 18:33.23 | stew | (sudoedit) |
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| 18:34.59 | Anaki | Okay now I can change in terminal :> |
| 18:35.10 | jeffrin | petn-randall : https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Chromium#Flash_Player |
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| 18:35.19 | petn-randall | I think it would help if only one person would give advice to Anaki. Several (slightly different) answers will probably confuse the poor soul :) |
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| 18:35.33 | sparadokos | Anaki: you could install mousepad if you don't have it and use it to open the same file. |
| 18:35.34 | BlaDe^ | hi guys, can anyone help me resolve this upgrade error? I don't even use Python so I don't know why it's having issues.. but it's just started happening: http://pastie.org/private/z0rldtydzn9vhxnxodc3g |
| 18:35.37 | Cavil | petn-randall: agreed :) ill pipe down |
| 18:35.40 | BlaDe^ | I'm on wheezy 7.0 |
| 18:35.43 | Getty | petn-randall: hahahaha nice try |
| 18:36.09 | Anaki | petn-randall, ur welcome! So what I must do there |
| 18:36.30 | petn-randall | jeffrin: That's still the same, non-free, sugar-coated Adobe flash plugin. What are you trying to tell me? |
| 18:36.52 | stew | petn-randall: now you know what package name to use to install the non-free stuff you don't want in arch |
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| 18:40.45 | petn-randall | Anaki: on the terminal, type 'sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list', then you can add 'contrib' after 'main', as we suggested earlier. |
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| 18:41.51 | Anaki | okay |
| 18:41.52 | Anaki | but |
| 18:42.01 | Anaki | everywhere where main is in list? |
| 18:42.05 | Anaki | and how to save? |
| 18:42.29 | petn-randall | Anaki: Yes. You should be able to save with strg+o, then exit with strg+x. |
| 18:43.20 | Anaki | Thank you! |
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| 18:44.30 | petn-randall | BlaDe^: Looks like you're mixing repos. You've only got wheezy packages installed, and wheezy in /etc/apt/sources.list? |
| 18:44.34 | Anaki | petn-randall, and at the titles? wich begins wich "#" ? |
| 18:45.07 | petn-randall | Anaki: They don't have to be changed, but it's better to do it now if you ever need them. |
| 18:45.39 | Anaki | okay |
| 18:45.44 | petn-randall | Anaki: When you're done, and have saved, do an 'apt-get update' as root, then you'll be able to install the flash plugin. |
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| 18:46.30 | MissKitty | Hello |
| 18:46.46 | Cavil | hello |
| 18:46.47 | petn-randall | BlaDe^: yep, you've mixed repos, you've got a frankendebian. |
| 18:46.50 | MissKitty | is there a debian t-shirt? |
| 18:46.53 | petn-randall | !frankendebian |
| 18:46.54 | dpkg | When you get random packages from random repositories, mix multiple releases of Debian, or mix Debian and derived distributions, you have a mess. There's no way anyone can support this "distribution of Frankenstein" and #debian certainly doesn't want to even try. See if you can convince ##linux to help. |
| 18:46.58 | MissKitty | i want one.... |
| 18:47.07 | MissKitty | where can i buy one? |
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| 18:48.04 | Anaki | petn-randall, done! |
| 18:48.08 | Anaki | so now its installed? |
| 18:48.16 | Anaki | or i have to do the old command |
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| 18:48.52 | petn-randall | Anaki: apt-get update just updates the list of packages your system knows about. apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree will install the plugin. |
| 18:49.15 | Anaki | okay ^^ |
| 18:49.28 | MissKitty | oh and what's better testing or unstable if i want like a rolling release? |
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| 18:50.06 | rww | neither are rolling releases |
| 18:50.19 | jelly-home | well, unstable's not a release at all |
| 18:50.42 | stew | sure it is |
| 18:51.01 | jelly-home | FSVO release? |
| 18:51.14 | petn-randall | jelly-home: Ok, it's never released, but for the lack of a better word I call it release. |
| 18:51.17 | jelly-home | forgot Debian liked to overload common words |
| 18:51.26 | stew | http://debian.org/releases calls it a release |
| 18:51.26 | petn-randall | jelly-home: Maybe we should use "release", with the quotes. |
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| 18:51.33 | MissKitty | so okay cause i was told that if I want a debian that i do not need to reinstall to get either testing or unstable... |
| 18:52.00 | Anaki | Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaawwww it works *-* thank you petn-randall, stew and all others! =) |
| 18:52.03 | jelly-home | stew: but nothing is ever released! |
| 18:52.11 | stew | its released 4 times a day! |
| 18:52.19 | petn-randall | Anaki: You're welcome! Glad I could help! |
| 18:52.24 | Anaki | :) |
| 18:52.29 | MissKitty | :) |
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| 18:52.55 | stew | MissKitty: we like to go with the generalization that if you have to be asking these questions, then unstable is not for you |
| 18:52.58 | petn-randall | MissKitty: You never need to reinstall a Debian installation. You simply upgrade every time a newer release is out (every 2-20 years). |
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| 18:54.02 | stew | MissKitty: testing has been frozen for almost a year now for a pending release which should be really soon. at that point the current testing becomes stable, a new testing is created, and then TONS of packages migrate to testing, making testing a pretty bumpy ride for a while |
| 18:54.32 | MissKitty | well i was told and research them all for a to ubuntu and debian has everything I want solid, stable, reliable, and more so its the best linux there is |
| 18:55.13 | jeffrin | Anaki : :) |
| 18:55.27 | rww | if you want "solid, stable, reliable", then you probably should be using stable, surprisingly enough |
| 18:57.40 | MissKitty | yes but i want new stuff on it too like iceW (firefox) 18 or 19 not 15 or so....so would testing be better of unstable and i've heard they are both stable anyway cause debian has a solid mind on only realeasing the best |
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| 18:58.03 | MissKitty | you are like the bench mark of all other Distros |
| 18:58.07 | rww | dpkg: mdn |
| 18:58.07 | dpkg | The "Extended Support Release" version (10) of the Iceweasel web browser is in <squeeze-backports>. Newer Iceweasel and Icedove are at http://mozilla.debian.net/ for squeeze or in <experimental> for wheezy and sid. |
| 18:58.16 | abrotman | so isntall wheezy now |
| 18:58.39 | abrotman | if it doesn't work, you'll know it wasn't stable .. |
| 18:58.41 | stew | nice hat |
| 18:58.54 | abrotman | caveat emptor! |
| 18:59.01 | abrotman | wonders if stew wants a hat too? |
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| 18:59.06 | rww | i want a hat |
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| 18:59.37 | MissKitty | i feel in love with debian after trying chruchbang and I was wondering if i can also get a debian t-shirt :) where can I buy one is there any? |
| 18:59.37 | petn-randall | I looks more like a easter egg to me. |
| 18:59.48 | stew | umbrella-hat! |
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| 18:59.53 | rww | petn-randall: I usually go with "cinnamon bun" |
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| 19:00.24 | abrotman | yay umbrella! |
| 19:00.26 | petn-randall | MissKitty: You can find them on many conferences where Debian has a booth. Or you google for an online shop that sells them. |
| 19:00.33 | stew | images.google.com must be broken. searching for abrotman umbrella hat doesn't find what I'm looking for |
| 19:00.46 | petn-randall | stew: turn off safe search? |
| 19:00.49 | MissKitty | yeah but will my money go to debian? |
| 19:00.57 | MissKitty | :) |
| 19:01.05 | stew | also abrotman cakebutt is not working |
| 19:01.15 | petn-randall | MissKitty: on the conferences, yes, at the online shops you'd have to check the ToS. |
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| 19:01.35 | abrotman | stew: damog didn't ahve them named like that i don't think |
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| 19:02.18 | MissKitty | oh ok is there a direct link to download weezy xfce or gnome :) do not like kde or lxde much :P |
| 19:02.30 | abrotman | use the netinst |
| 19:03.57 | abrotman | stew: i should find those again |
| 19:04.33 | stew | !cakebutt |
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| 19:04.44 | MissKitty | what's a cakebutt? |
| 19:04.53 | stew | MissKitty: abrotman |
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| 19:05.02 | abrotman | heh |
| 19:05.09 | MissKitty | lol forget i ask |
| 19:05.13 | MissKitty | lol |
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| 19:05.59 | MissKitty | is there a direct link that you know of to download weezy? Testing? |
| 19:06.01 | abrotman | debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 19:06.14 | MissKitty | thanks ^_^ |
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| 19:09.57 | MissKitty | i got a hp 64bit amd ati i am not sure what to pick for my computer whats kfreebsd-amd64 or mipsel, sparc? |
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| 19:10.54 | Cavil | amd64 MissKitty |
| 19:11.15 | MissKitty | Thanks cavil ^_^ |
| 19:11.16 | gnat_x | MissKitty: kfreesbd uses a freebsd kernel, unless that's what you want, you probably just wan amd64 which is the linux kernel built for your architecture. |
| 19:11.18 | abrotman | wonders if MissKitty knows KittyPaws |
| 19:11.28 | gnat_x | so if a package gets removed from the mentors repo, with no explanation in the bug, is there somewhere i go to figure out what happened? |
| 19:11.44 | gnat_x | particularly http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=679107 |
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| 19:11.48 | abrotman | gnat_x: #debian-mentors on irc.oftc.net perhaps? |
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| 19:12.30 | abrotman | gnat_x: there is a reason why? right above that last bug entry |
| 19:12.45 | MissKitty | Abrotman that was mean just cause i am a blond girl and naive and new to linux doesn't mean you have to be mean to me....:( |
| 19:13.18 | gnat_x | abrotman: ahh don't know how i missed that. |
| 19:13.19 | MissKitty | i am only 17 too and want to learn about linux like other in my high school |
| 19:13.48 | abrotman | has no idea what that has to do with KittyPaws |
| 19:13.49 | Cavil | i wish they taught linux in my high school |
| 19:14.04 | rww | MissKitty: Not sure what your gender and hair colour have to do with your nick looking like someone else's. |
| 19:14.04 | Cavil | maybe i wouldnt be working in a warehouse now |
| 19:14.14 | ompaul | MissKitty: get ahead of them and read http://debian-handbook.info/ |
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| 19:15.01 | MissKitty | thank you ompaul ^_^ |
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| 19:15.05 | abrotman | Cavil: they didn't teach it in my high school |
| 19:15.06 | STMelon | brb |
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| 19:15.29 | ompaul | Cavil: high schools were not invented when I was a lad about 200million years ago ;-) |
| 19:15.40 | ompaul | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:15.45 | Cavil | haha |
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| 19:16.41 | Cavil | i was reading about how lius published the original kernel he worked on to usenet and how you had to build your own gnu tools etc around it |
| 19:16.47 | Cavil | linus* |
| 19:17.09 | Cavil | facinating. i keep meaning to do LFS at least once but something always gets in the way. |
| 19:17.21 | MissKitty | thank you boyz bye bye ^_^ |
| 19:17.46 | petn-randall | Cavil: If you like a good reading, the original argument between Tannenbaum and Torvalds is also comedy gold :) |
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| 19:18.18 | Cavil | i'll have to try find this to read in bed tonight :) |
| 19:18.22 | abrotman | sure seems to act like KittyPaws |
| 19:19.06 | petn-randall | abrotman: no idea who you're talking about. |
| 19:19.26 | abrotman | petn-randall: repeat problem |
| 19:19.30 | ompaul | petn-randall: be happy |
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| 19:20.47 | petn-randall | ^_O |
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| 19:21.56 | petn-randall | I'm missing context. |
| 19:22.31 | abrotman | sure are :) |
| 19:22.55 | ompaul | petn-randall: as I said, be happy, you didn't want to know the other party |
| 19:23.31 | ompaul | abrotman: a little side chat |
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| 19:24.28 | ompaul | wanders back to the channel |
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| 19:26.50 | MissKitty | sorry to be back again and ask something else but on here : http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/wheezy_di_rc1/amd64/iso-cd/ |
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| 19:27.04 | petn-randall | Sooo, what about KittyPaws and ompaul/abrotman? |
| 19:27.05 | MissKitty | there is 8 choices |
| 19:27.11 | MissKitty | what do i pick? |
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| 19:27.23 | petn-randall | MissKitty: CD1 |
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| 19:28.03 | MissKitty | thank you I though i needed to download them all and install them 1 to 8 like windows :) |
| 19:28.12 | Cavil | is it me or are checksums not easy to find like they used to be |
| 19:28.26 | Cavil | as* |
| 19:28.28 | MissKitty | what's netinst-cd? |
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| 19:28.31 | ompaul | Cavil: they should be standing out there screaming at you - what are you looking for |
| 19:29.23 | Cavil | ompaul: it just seems nowadays they're not screaming at us like they used to. like when i was getting the raspbian ISO's the other week the md5's wereawful to find. |
| 19:29.32 | MissKitty | last question what is : debian-wheezy-DI-rc1-amd64-netinst.iso ? |
| 19:29.52 | MissKitty | netinst? |
| 19:30.05 | Cavil | MissKitty: net install means you download a smaller ISO to start with but it dowloads the nesesary packages during install. |
| 19:30.21 | petn-randall | Cavil: Here's a checksum for you: d41d8cd98f00b204e9800998ecf8427e |
| 19:30.26 | ompaul | and you should be connected to the internet while the install is ongoing |
| 19:30.29 | petn-randall | bonus points if you know what it's for :) |
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| 19:30.36 | MissKitty | thank you Cavil :) |
| 19:30.47 | Cavil | haha i dont know how to reverse checksums :) |
| 19:30.57 | stew | i know how to reverse that one |
| 19:30.57 | Cavil | i have very basic bash skills at best |
| 19:31.11 | petn-randall | Cavil: raspbian is not Debian, so nobody's sad about that in here :) |
| 19:31.16 | petn-randall | stew++ |
| 19:31.23 | MissKitty | bye bye guys :) |
| 19:31.31 | ompaul | Cavil: I've sent you a useful link about what you ask |
| 19:31.36 | stew | Cavil: checksums aren't reversible (that one I happen to recognize as md5sum /dev/null) |
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| 19:32.01 | petn-randall | stew: You can reverse some if you know how to google :) |
| 19:32.11 | Cavil | petn-randall: no, it isn't. it just seems they're not as obvious as they used to be, at least from my point of view. |
| 19:32.19 | petn-randall | For the others there's rainbow tables or deepcrack. |
| 19:32.34 | ompaul | Cavil: the use case you suggest they are screaming off the official d/l page |
| 19:32.35 | Tekra | Is there a tool for finding files changed from the .deb version on an installed system? I just installed still have full apt cache, would like to make a set of diff's to bring a machine from installation to its proper state quickly |
| 19:32.47 | ompaul | can we drop this as rasberian is not ontopic here :) |
| 19:32.49 | stew | Tekra: debsums |
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| 19:33.07 | Cavil | yes we can |
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| 19:33.19 | petn-randall | YES. WE. CAN. |
| 19:33.30 | petn-randall | starts chanting. |
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| 19:33.49 | stew | petn-randall: has a dream |
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| 19:34.03 | petn-randall | CHANGE |
| 19:34.18 | stew | into a non-debian distro |
| 19:34.28 | petn-randall | We've got git to keep track of that. |
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| 19:35.35 | DexterF | hi |
| 19:35.43 | Cavil | hi |
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| 19:35.52 | ksk | hi |
| 19:35.56 | DexterF | after a new kernel image came in, how can I build a custom kernel module for it *before* rebooting? |
| 19:36.57 | ksk | is squeeze affected by "http://cxsecurity.com/issue/WLB-2013030255"? dont know how to make the bind9 package to tell me wich bind version it uses :x |
| 19:37.01 | Tekra | prepares the drones with rubber bullets |
| 19:37.11 | Tekra | DexterF: Set it up in dkms |
| 19:37.15 | Tekra | <3 dkms |
| 19:37.35 | KsM | I never did figure out dkms |
| 19:37.43 | stew | KsM: https://security-tracker.debian.org/CVE-2013-2266 |
| 19:37.53 | KsM | is there a way to have an extra kernel module built in to the kernel? |
| 19:38.02 | TheWarden | okay I feel stupid asking this but I just created a package using the command "dpkg-deb --build dsivip_2.0.0". Now I open up this file dpkg-deb --build dsivip_2.0.0.deb and I don't see any of the directories that I created under DEBIAN/. What have I done wrong here? |
| 19:38.07 | Tekra | dkms will rebuild your modules when the kernel changes |
| 19:38.16 | TheWarden | I thought with all the reading I had this figured out... but I guess not. |
| 19:38.17 | Tekra | idk about in-tree stuff |
| 19:38.23 | abrotman | petn-randall: did you get your answer? |
| 19:38.45 | stew | TheWarden: you open it how? |
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| 19:39.05 | DexterF | Tekra: big thing? |
| 19:39.21 | TheWarden | I opened the binary package with Archive Manager |
| 19:39.27 | Tekra | Nah its pretty simple. It just gets called from apt somehow |
| 19:39.40 | stew | TheWarden: that is probably only showing you the data.tar.gz, those files would be in the control.tar.gz |
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| 19:40.02 | stew | TheWarden: you can extract the control files with dpkg -e foo.deb /dest/location |
| 19:40.08 | Tekra | DexterF: Whenever new kernel package is installed, it rebuilds the modules you told it about, so you always get fresh modules |
| 19:40.14 | sparadokos | http://picpaste.com/IMAG0554-LHkQmBvN.jpg Wheezy keeps crashing the video. I have the most updated kernel and video driver. Not sure what else to look at for trouble shooting. |
| 19:40.23 | DexterF | Tekra: I know, but I never treid dkms myself |
| 19:40.41 | TheWarden | stew: well I tried doing dpkg-deb -c dsivip_2.0.0.deb and all that is returned is ./ |
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| 19:40.55 | TheWarden | I think I have something majorly wrong here... |
| 19:41.26 | TheWarden | This is what is within my DEBIAN/ directory, changelog compat conffiles control control.save copyright etc home postinst preinst rules source usr |
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| 19:41.46 | stew | TheWarden: dpkg -c would list files in the data.tar.gz, those files in debian go to the control.tar.gz instead |
| 19:41.57 | TheWarden | with etc, home, source and usr as directories the rest are files. |
| 19:42.46 | stew | oh, wait, those shouldn't be there |
| 19:42.49 | TheWarden | stew: so it maybe okay then, I'll just have to do a test install to see I guess. I just thought I could list contents of it to see if its all okay. |
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| 19:42.56 | stew | no, its not okay |
| 19:43.13 | stew | TheWarden: dpkg -c not listing any files means that it will install no packages (except maybe control files) |
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| 19:43.35 | TheWarden | stew: well I've read and read obviously I'm not doing this right now. This package is just simply scripts, confs, and misc files. There is no source. |
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| 19:44.06 | zen_monkey | hi, i am trying out wheezy rc netinstall on a vbox machine and always getting an error when downloading packages |
| 19:44.13 | stew | TheWarden: is there a reason you are using dpkg-deb directly to build a pacakge instead of using dpkg-buildpackage and a debian/rules makefile like normal? |
| 19:44.21 | stew | zen_monkey: what error... |
| 19:45.03 | TheWarden | stew: the only reason I'm doing what I've done is what I've understood to do from reading various articles online and trying to make sense of it all. In all honest this is the first time I've ever done this so I'm not really sure what I'm doing yet :-). |
| 19:45.44 | petn-randall | abrotman: nope. You want to query it to me? |
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| 19:46.50 | zen_monkey | stew: that's what brought me here, as i haven't watched the 1200+ pkgs download my guess is that it fails there but would like some help on where to look for clues |
| 19:47.20 | TheWarden | sighs |
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| 19:47.36 | zen_monkey | as the error message states not more than it failed |
| 19:47.41 | stew | zen_monkey: how do you know you get an error |
| 19:47.42 | Tekra | stew: Thanks! debsums and apt-file seem to be exactly what i need here |
| 19:47.54 | stew | zen_monkey: what is the error message? |
| 19:48.23 | zen_monkey | stew: because the download stops and screen turns red with a message saying that |
| 19:48.32 | stew | SAYING WHAT? |
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| 19:49.23 | zen_monkey | stew: that selecting and installing programs failed, just that |
| 19:49.24 | petn-randall | zen_monkey: You've been asked several times now. Nobody likes guessing games in here. It would greatly help if you'd tell what *exactly* the message is you're seeing. |
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| 19:49.43 | petn-randall | Meaning the exact words. |
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| 19:49.49 | Cavil | copy and paste the error |
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| 19:49.57 | zen_monkey | petn-randall: am not playing any either, the installer just gaves no aditional info |
| 19:49.58 | stew | zen_monkey: also check for an error in the text consoles |
| 19:49.58 | Cavil | or paste to a site |
| 19:50.00 | TheWarden | stew: this package was intended to be installed locally only. |
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| 19:55.09 | abrotman | petn-randall: not that important really .. |
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| 19:58.36 | TheWarden | argh, there must be a way to make a Debian binary package, without a source/upstream. I'm just wanting to take some scripts, confs, misc files that would be used to be installed on to a system locally (not using a public repo). |
| 19:59.28 | TheWarden | I've read over and over docs explaining this process but I'm not fully grasping this because most docs refer to altering a package or compiling from source. |
| 20:00.59 | TheWarden | I don't have an upstream or is my scripts, confs, and misc files considered to be the upstream? |
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| 20:02.33 | TheWarden | a lot of what I thought I figured out was from this page http://users.telenet.be/mydotcom/howto/linux/package.htm. Why, because it was written out simple and as such I'm creating a simple binary package. I thought I could create directories under DEBIAN/ and those would be installed onto the system |
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| 20:06.43 | census | Hi! I asked this before but I cannot remember the answer .... My apologies. |
| 20:06.50 | census | I would like to generate consoles within the console... |
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| 20:07.04 | census | I know ctrl + a then n can switch back and forth between them |
| 20:07.05 | sparadokos | census: sounds like tmux or screen |
| 20:07.21 | census | ctrl + A n over and over again will eventually get me back tot he first one. |
| 20:07.25 | census | How do I add a new one? |
| 20:07.29 | sparadokos | do you want to have 1 terminal open but have 2 or more in it? |
| 20:07.48 | census | I have 1 terminal open now and have about 8 within it. I cannot remember how I created these 8. |
| 20:07.56 | sparadokos | What are you using? |
| 20:08.08 | census | I just remember the ctrl + a followed by n passes me along from one to the next. cycling through |
| 20:08.13 | sparadokos | tmux command would be CTRL+n for next |
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| 20:08.16 | rww | census: ctrl-a c |
| 20:08.18 | census | I have Oracle VM Virtual Box that is running debian. |
| 20:08.19 | Cavil | ctrl+a is screen defult |
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| 20:08.36 | Cavil | though i use it in tmux |
| 20:09.00 | census | I've been doing ctrl + a then just an n. not ctrl + n |
| 20:09.09 | census | rww; so you mean ctrl+a then c ? |
| 20:09.14 | Cavil | yes |
| 20:09.16 | rww | census: yes |
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| 20:09.59 | sparadokos | and I made a mistake.. it is for tmux CTRL +b +n |
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| 20:11.33 | Tekra | What's a good replacement for gdm3 for users of xfce4? |
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| 20:12.58 | DammitJim | goodness, this is driving me nuts! |
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| 20:13.07 | DammitJim | I can't add MOV or AVI files to openshot |
| 20:13.25 | petn-randall | census: You should read up on all the features of screen in the man page. |
| 20:13.30 | DammitJim | openshot claims that my files aren't supported, but on another machine, I can import them |
| 20:13.42 | DammitJim | anything I should be checking in terms of plugins or codecs? |
| 20:13.46 | KsM | Tekra: slim maybe, there's about a dozen different display manager things |
| 20:13.49 | census | thanks! :) |
| 20:14.05 | DammitJim | +1 on slim... that's what I use... it's simple |
| 20:14.10 | KsM | I've yet to find one that acts exactly how I want |
| 20:14.20 | KsM | from just a config file |
| 20:14.24 | census | petn-randall: do you use debian for perl? |
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| 20:15.56 | petn-randall | census: yes. |
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| 20:16.02 | Tekra | DammitJim: Do xfce's logout, switch user and stuff work with slim? Never got that working in arch |
| 20:16.14 | census | petn-randall: may i ask what advantage that yields? |
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| 20:16.56 | DammitJim | sorry Tekra e17 here |
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| 20:17.04 | petn-randall | census: Because I need a distro to run perl on :) |
| 20:17.05 | DammitJim | + I don't switch users |
| 20:17.14 | census | what is distro? |
| 20:17.25 | gnat_x | Tekra: i had consolekit issues with launching xfce4 from the cli. |
| 20:17.26 | petn-randall | a distribution |
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| 20:17.35 | gnat_x | Tekra: though not slim i know. |
| 20:17.42 | census | may i ask what a distribution means in this context? |
| 20:17.54 | petn-randall | !distribution |
| 20:17.55 | dpkg | i guess distribution is a collection of goodies built around a kernel like Linux. Ask me about <debian> and <why debian>. |
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| 20:19.05 | census | petn-randall: uh........ |
| 20:19.07 | petn-randall | census: Meh, dpkg isn't helpful. Debian is a distribution, just like Redhat or Ubuntu is. |
| 20:19.11 | TheWarden | I also have been using this document http://tldp.org/HOWTO/html_single/Debian-Binary-Package-Building-HOWTO/, yet when I run lintian dsivip_2.0.0.deb I get a crap load of errors. Not linking the directories I created within DEBIAN/. Odd when the docs keep saying I can. |
| 20:19.34 | census | i just meant why is that all better than using windows? what are the gains to doing so? |
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| 20:20.12 | petn-randall | census: Oh, you're comparing it to windows, I see. You can simply pull packages and updates without any problems, that's my main reason. |
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| 20:20.23 | petn-randall | census: Updates on Windows have always been a pain ... |
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| 20:20.39 | superstraw | especially while gaming |
| 20:21.36 | census | ok. thanks! |
| 20:21.52 | census | i started using it because i was having some issues with $mech not being compatiable ini t |
| 20:21.53 | chaoslynx | hi, i don't get sound from a xonar dx, have multiple soundcards and ordered them so that it is the default audio device. i suspect pulseaudio is the culprit |
| 20:22.48 | petn-randall | census: Though I'm using Debian for more reasons than just perl ;) |
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| 20:23.11 | chaoslynx | any suggestions for what i can try? |
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| 20:26.58 | chaoslynx | hm, so it seems that the onboard sound card is still the default card for some reason |
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| 20:28.29 | TheWarden | okay there must be some dang document that actually explains how make a Debian binary package in the context I require. I still have no clue where the heck these files are suppose to go lintian is going nuts of me with no way of know how to fix these errors. |
| 20:29.00 | chaoslynx | since it actually plays sound. |
| 20:29.07 | dondelelcaro | TheWarden: if you give more details, I can probably help you. |
| 20:29.46 | TheWarden | every document I've read refers to what I've done yet it doesn't appear to be acceptable or correct. I've read and re-read docs provided on and off this page, http://wiki.debian.org/Packaging. Yet as I stated it doesn't apply as I'm not compiling from code, I'm not doing an upstream. |
| 20:30.41 | dondelelcaro | TheWarden: the docs talk about debian/, not DEBIAN/ |
| 20:30.42 | TheWarden | I'm doing this from scratch with just some scripts, confs and misc files. |
| 20:31.11 | TheWarden | dondelelcaro: yes and then I found a reference that is needs to be all caps and I believe I had it lower case but it didn't accept it. |
| 20:31.25 | dondelelcaro | TheWarden: lets back up; what exactly are you trying to do? |
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| 20:32.36 | TheWarden | dondelelcaro: I have a bunch of files which consists of scripts, configuration files and a few other misc files like images, etc. I'm wanting to place these into a binary package that would install them correctly on to a system and then let the install scripts handle the rest. |
| 20:32.38 | dondelelcaro | DEBIAN is the name of the control directory which is used in dpkg-deb for building binary packages, debian is the name of the directory which is used in building from source packages, whether you're actually compiling source or not |
| 20:32.49 | TheWarden | dondelelcaro: the package would be installed locally. |
| 20:33.00 | dondelelcaro | TheWarden: ok, so you're actually going to create a source package which has those files in it, and build a binary package from it |
| 20:33.15 | TheWarden | dondelelcaro: I guess if you call that the source. |
| 20:33.22 | dondelelcaro | TheWarden: yes |
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| 20:33.49 | TheWarden | dondelelcaro: here is my present directory structure, ls -al dsivip_2.0.0/DEBIAN/ |
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| 20:34.11 | TheWarden | dondelelcaro: changelog compat conffiles control copyright etc home postinst preinst rules source usr |
| 20:34.25 | TheWarden | dondelelcaro: etc, home, source and usr are directories. |
| 20:34.45 | dondelelcaro | TheWarden: user directories don't go under DEBIAN. |
| 20:34.56 | dondelelcaro | TheWarden: they go under dsivip_2.0.0 |
| 20:36.13 | TheWarden | dondelelcaro: oh that's where I got myself confused between debian and DEBIAN I guess. As debian is dsivip_2.0.0 for me. okay so move etc, home, usr to dsivip_2.0.0/ |
| 20:36.16 | dondelelcaro | TheWarden: however, you almost certainly actually want to make a source package, and not make the binary package manually. |
| 20:36.30 | TheWarden | dondelelcaro: oh? |
| 20:37.34 | Tekra | wow i never realized how slow celerons are |
| 20:38.00 | TheWarden | dondelelcaro: now ls dsivip_2.0.0/ returns DEBIAN etc home usr |
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| 20:38.30 | TheWarden | dondelelcaro: so how do you suggest I go from here then? |
| 20:38.49 | dondelelcaro | TheWarden: well, for the moment, you can dpkg-deb -b that directory. |
| 20:39.02 | TheWarden | dondelelcaro: which directory? |
| 20:39.12 | dondelelcaro | TheWarden: dsivip_2.0.0/ |
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| 20:41.01 | TheWarden | dondelelcaro: mmmm |
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| 20:42.51 | coco89 | hi |
| 20:44.43 | dondelelcaro | TheWarden: eventually though, you'll want to make a source package, which will have debian/rules etc. and is built with dpkg-buildpackage |
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| 20:44.54 | dondelelcaro | TheWarden: but you can get on with life until you're ready to do that |
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| 20:45.24 | coco89 | how can i tell what i've installed on a server? |
| 20:45.26 | coco89 | debian server? |
| 20:45.30 | coco89 | is there a command |
| 20:46.10 | TheWarden | dondelelcaro: so dpkg-deb -b dsivip_2.0.0/ and now I have dsivip_2.0.0.deb. |
| 20:46.12 | petn-randall | coco89: "dpkg -l", though I'm sure you're going to ask a more specific question after that. :) |
| 20:46.36 | coco89 | petn-randall: hehe thanks and yep |
| 20:46.36 | coco89 | lol |
| 20:46.40 | dondelelcaro | TheWarden: yes. |
| 20:46.48 | TheWarden | dondelelcaro: but if I run lintian dsivip_2.0.0.deb it returns a crap load of errors... I'll post it here in a sec. you say I really want to do source package. Why do you say that? |
| 20:47.29 | dondelelcaro | TheWarden: because you can then use things like debhelper etc. to build the package for you, etc. |
| 20:47.41 | dondelelcaro | TheWarden: you can also build multiple binary packages from one package, etc. |
| 20:47.57 | petn-randall | TheWarden: I also agree with dondelelcaro, you want a source package. |
| 20:48.01 | dondelelcaro | TheWarden: and it also means that anyone else who is familiar with making Debian packages will be able to follow what you're doing. |
| 20:48.54 | petn-randall | TheWarden: dpkg-deb and friends normally only get called by build script, and - as a last resort - by desperate admins who need to fix binary only packages at 3 AM in the night. |
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| 20:50.01 | TheWarden | dondelelcaro: https://gist.github.com/thewarden/394a22a0d3776952ac6d |
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| 20:50.17 | petn-randall | TheWarden: the source package tools have a far more user-friendly interface, and let you automate a lot of things for free, to. |
| 20:50.22 | petn-randall | s/to/too/ |
| 20:50.35 | peterrooney | wonders what kind of packaging decision led to including something in /home/ |
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| 20:50.50 | TheWarden | dondelelcaro: mmm okay, well then I should be figuring that out then. |
| 20:51.00 | TheWarden | petn-randall: okay |
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| 20:51.29 | TheWarden | peterrooney: temp files, not exactly in the right place but will fix that in the next revision of this kiosk system. |
| 20:51.57 | TheWarden | dondelelcaro: well what would you suggest I read to do this from source then? |
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| 20:53.23 | TheWarden | dondelelcaro: I obviously don't have a lot of things right anyways as its even complaining about the cahngelog file within DEBIAN. |
| 20:53.57 | truexfan81 | i'm considering trying sid |
| 20:54.23 | truexfan81 | wheezy is working so well and problem free i have gotten bored lol (that is a compliment btw) |
| 20:55.43 | DammitJim | is there a way to tell what packages were installed from what repository? |
| 20:55.44 | TheWarden | also what would be considered my upstream? |
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| 20:56.21 | truexfan81 | DammitJim: install synaptic, one of the tabs on the left side will show you that |
| 20:56.36 | DammitJim | how about with apt-get or something? |
| 20:56.37 | DammitJim | dpkg? |
| 20:56.38 | petn-randall | truexfan81: how is the bot doing? :) |
| 20:56.57 | truexfan81 | bot is doing fine |
| 20:57.05 | petn-randall | DammitJim: apt-cache policy <package> will tell you. |
| 20:57.11 | truexfan81 | ^ |
| 20:57.18 | truexfan81 | i'll have to remember that one |
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| 20:57.57 | truexfan81 | will keep me from having to install synaptic in the future, right now i don't have it lol |
| 20:58.30 | petn-randall | truexfan81: You can do anything synaptic can with command line tools, too. You just need to know which ones they are :) |
| 20:58.38 | DammitJim | ty |
| 20:58.53 | DammitJim | apt-cache policy libavcodec53 |
| 20:58.55 | DammitJim | lol |
| 20:58.56 | DammitJim | sorry |
| 20:59.04 | truexfan81 | petn-randall: yep not knowing is the problem there |
| 20:59.32 | truexfan81 | i prefer the cli myself, much faster |
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| 21:00.01 | petn-randall | truexfan81: Also, usually your only option on a server :) |
| 21:00.13 | truexfan81 | ^ that too |
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| 21:00.57 | truexfan81 | most of the time i control my netbook from my win7 machine using putty lol |
| 21:01.05 | dondelelcaro | TheWarden: right; the changelog doesn't actually go into DEBIAN, it goes in debian. But for the time being, you can ignore that particular error |
| 21:01.09 | truexfan81 | ssh ftw |
| 21:01.11 | petn-randall | truexfan81: ^_O |
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| 21:01.33 | truexfan81 | yeah petn-randall i have debian on my netbook and server |
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| 21:02.44 | truexfan81 | i say something offensive? |
| 21:02.49 | TheWarden | dondelelcaro: to clarify then debian/ as in the package name directory? As in me dsivip_2.0.0/ instead of dsivip_2.0.0/DEBIAN? |
| 21:03.21 | dondelelcaro | TheWarden: no. In a source package, you have a debian directory under dsivip/ |
| 21:03.40 | TheWarden | dondelelcaro: according to this document http://wiki.debian.org/IntroDebianPackaging I'm suppose to have the control file within debian/control (DEBIAN/control). |
| 21:04.00 | dondelelcaro | TheWarden: however, when you are making a binary package, you have a DEBIAN directory which becomes part of the control.tar.gz member of the deb ar archive. |
| 21:04.06 | TheWarden | dondelelcaro: so you have dsivip/debian/ and dsivip/DEBIAN |
| 21:04.18 | TheWarden | ohhhhh |
| 21:04.19 | dondelelcaro | TheWarden: no. You only have dsivip/debian in a source package |
| 21:04.23 | dondelelcaro | DEBIAN is only for binary packages |
| 21:04.30 | TheWarden | mmm |
| 21:04.37 | dondelelcaro | In general, you shouldn't ever know that DEBIAN exists at all |
| 21:04.46 | dondelelcaro | it's primarily an implementation detail |
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| 21:05.14 | TheWarden | well I want to turn this around and do it right, so I'll assume building the deb file didn't work :). |
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| 21:06.07 | truexfan81 | i wonder what it would take to make dpkg-buildpackage work for all my compiled apps so i wouldn't have to install the build deps and compile them again in the future |
| 21:06.13 | dondelelcaro | TheWarden: well, it worked, but... |
| 21:06.23 | dondelelcaro | truexfan81: why would you want to do that? |
| 21:06.29 | TheWarden | dondelelcaro: hence why lintian complains about changelog as lintian is for source testing |
| 21:06.33 | dondelelcaro | TheWarden: right |
| 21:06.47 | truexfan81 | also would allow them to be installed via package management instead of make install |
| 21:06.51 | dondelelcaro | TheWarden: I just told you how to get it to build at all, but to do it right, you want to do things slightly differently |
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| 21:07.18 | dondelelcaro | truexfan81: dpkg-buildpackage is just for building one package; you can easily install build dependencies using sbuild or other things, though. |
| 21:07.50 | TheWarden | dondelelcaro: yeah, trying to figure that out now then. I didn't understand the full difference. trying to follow more closely and cross my figured I'll have this working shortly :-| |
| 21:08.07 | TheWarden | dondelelcaro: ops this I mean to follow, http://wiki.debian.org/IntroDebianPackaging |
| 21:08.08 | truexfan81 | yeah was hoping to make packages for things like my compiled e17, mplayer2, smplayer2 etc |
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| 21:08.55 | dondelelcaro | TheWarden: right; that's pretty much what you want to follow. The only difference is that you'll be making what we call a native package, so you don't have an upstream tarball |
| 21:09.12 | dondelelcaro | TheWarden: you'll probably also have to have your own debian/rules which copies things to debian/tmp or similar. |
| 21:09.13 | TheWarden | dondelelcaro: what ownerhisp and permissions should be on these files in dsivip/ and dsivip/debian ? |
| 21:09.20 | dondelelcaro | TheWarden: doesn't matter |
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| 21:09.42 | dondelelcaro | TheWarden: what's important is that when you install them to debian/tmp that they have the right ownership and permissions |
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| 21:09.56 | dondelelcaro | TheWarden: or debian/thepackagename, depending |
| 21:10.12 | dondelelcaro | TheWarden: since you do that all using fakeroot, they can have any owner you want |
| 21:10.13 | TheWarden | dondelelcaro: oh mmm, so that doc will not cover native package then? |
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| 21:10.58 | dondelelcaro | TheWarden: the difference between a native package and a non-native one is a pretty small difference, so it covers the important part. |
| 21:11.11 | dondelelcaro | TheWarden: the real difference is that a native package doesn't have an orig.tar.gz |
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| 21:11.29 | TheWarden | dondelelcaro: okay.... mmm |
| 21:11.55 | truexfan81 | oh weird, trying it, it appears dpkg-buildpackage is going to work on them |
| 21:11.58 | truexfan81 | thats neat |
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| 21:12.39 | TheWarden | dondelelcaro: okay, one other thing. In the control file what is Standards-version value suppose to be? |
| 21:12.54 | TheWarden | dondelelcaro: ops I mean Standards-Version |
| 21:12.55 | dondelelcaro | TheWarden: it's supposed to match the version of policy your package was built for |
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| 21:13.08 | dondelelcaro | TheWarden: it's not important, since your package isn't going to follow Debian's policy |
| 21:13.20 | TheWarden | dondelelcaro: oh its not, shouldn't it? |
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| 21:14.41 | dondelelcaro | TheWarden: well, some of the things you're doing are going to make it impossible for you to actually follow policy completely |
| 21:14.53 | dondelelcaro | TheWarden: and the sandards-version is merely advisory anyway |
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| 21:16.42 | coco89 | okay so I need some help |
| 21:17.20 | petn-randall | coco89: Don't ask to ask! Just shoot :) |
| 21:17.44 | coco89 | petn-randall: I have a remote server running debian and I've receieved this email |
| 21:17.45 | coco89 | You are receiving this e-mail because you currently have an active VPS with us and recent events have highlighted a major security issue that could potentially impact you. You must take action now to prevent your VPS from being suspended. If you do not run a DNS server and have confirmed no such service is running on your VPS, then you can ignore the rest of this e-mail. Please double-check |
| 21:17.46 | coco89 | your VPS to make sure no DNS servers are running before ignoring this e-mail. |
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| 21:18.13 | TheWarden | dondelelcaro: oh okay, well I'll look into that later. I just want to get a grasp on this and working then I'll work on complying to policy :-). |
| 21:18.17 | coco89 | The main purpose of this e-mail is to make all of our VPS clients aware of the danger and to provide a method to eliminate the chance of their VPS being used in such attacks. If you are running a DNS server, such as BIND, you could very likely be a victim of this attack. We ask that all VPS owners please login to your VPS and check to see if any DNS server is running and to ensure that you have |
| 21:18.17 | coco89 | recursion disabled for your DNS server. The most common problems are from clients who install control panels like cPanel and Kloxo but are unaware they come bundled with a DNS server. |
| 21:18.21 | coco89 | (sorry for the long paste) |
| 21:18.29 | petn-randall | coco89: Don't paste into this channel, pleas. |
| 21:18.33 | petn-randall | e |
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| 21:18.46 | petn-randall | coco89: Use http://paste.debian.net for that. |
| 21:18.58 | truexfan81 | was about to say that ^ |
| 21:18.59 | coco89 | petan: sorry |
| 21:19.04 | coco89 | petn-randall: sorry |
| 21:19.04 | coco89 | lol |
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| 21:19.18 | petn-randall | Actually, that should go to the channel topic :) |
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| 21:19.43 | dondelelcaro | petn-randall: it is there, actually |
| 21:20.37 | petn-randall | dondelelcaro: That part should go the beginning. Half of the rest could go to the FAQ. :) |
| 21:20.41 | truexfan81 | dondelelcaro: actually the topic says to pm it to dpkg |
| 21:21.07 | truexfan81 | | NO FLOOD: /msg dpkg pastebin | |
| 21:21.10 | TheWarden | dondelelcaro: oh I got something else, the package name. shouldn't the the parent directory I'm working be called the package name with version? In my case dsivip_2.0.0 as I want the output to end up being something like dsivip_2.0.0-1.deb |
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| 21:21.12 | SmashingX | Does Debian have SElinux? |
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| 21:21.41 | petn-randall | coco89: 'netstat -npl | grep 53' <-- if that gives you any output, you've got a DNS server running. |
| 21:22.07 | petn-randall | SmashingX: It has. |
| 21:22.17 | truexfan81 | am i correct in thinking that anything with linux 3 kernel has selinux? |
| 21:22.38 | SmashingX | so how can I configurate/activate it? |
| 21:22.40 | petn-randall | truexfan81: No, selinux is much older than that. |
| 21:22.45 | petn-randall | !selinux |
| 21:22.46 | dpkg | Security Enhanced Linux (SELinux) is NSA's port of the FLASK Security Architecture to Linux. Also it can make your system unbootable if you uninstall it. Unofficial FAQ: http://www.crypt.gen.nz/selinux/faq.html . http://wiki.debian.org/SELinux http://selinuxproject.org/ #selinux on irc.freenode.net. See also <apparmor>, <tomoyo>. |
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| 21:22.58 | truexfan81 | ah ok |
| 21:23.02 | petn-randall | SmashingX: ^^ |
| 21:23.32 | truexfan81 | i wish dpkg-buildpackage could be threaded lol |
| 21:23.36 | SmashingX | ok thanks |
| 21:23.37 | DammitJim | I have a bunch of libraries that were updated from another repo |
| 21:23.51 | DammitJim | how do I update them to go back to the current wheezy version? |
| 21:23.56 | petn-randall | !frankendebian |
| 21:23.56 | dpkg | When you get random packages from random repositories, mix multiple releases of Debian, or mix Debian and derived distributions, you have a mess. There's no way anyone can support this "distribution of Frankenstein" and #debian certainly doesn't want to even try. See if you can convince ##linux to help. |
| 21:23.59 | petn-randall | NEXT! |
| 21:24.30 | truexfan81 | [16:23:47] <truexfan81> i wish dpkg-buildpackage could be threaded lol |
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| 21:24.41 | truexfan81 | petn-randall: ^ |
| 21:24.52 | petn-randall | truexfan81: threads are bad for so many reasons. |
| 21:25.00 | truexfan81 | eh? |
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| 21:25.18 | truexfan81 | i've always used make -j3 |
| 21:25.35 | petn-randall | truexfan81: Also, most buildds can simply build several packages in parallel. |
| 21:25.41 | Aktau | Hey folks |
| 21:25.47 | petn-randall | truexfan81: lol, --jobs has nothing to do with threads :) |
| 21:25.49 | Aktau | Doing my best to try and build a package |
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| 21:26.04 | TheWarden | dondelelcaro: also do I remove debian/source/format? I got this message after running debuild -us -uc, dpkg-source: error: can't build with source format '3.0 (quilt)': no orig.tar file found |
| 21:26.08 | coco89 | how do i know what dns servers i'm running |
| 21:26.13 | Aktau | So started a clean build environment with pbuilder create --distribution wheezy |
| 21:26.16 | DammitJim | how can I list all packages that were installed from another source? |
| 21:26.18 | Aktau | That works find |
| 21:26.22 | Aktau | fine* |
| 21:26.26 | dondelelcaro | TheWarden: or make that file contain 1.0, yes. |
| 21:26.31 | Aktau | I did it from the "source" directory |
| 21:26.39 | dondelelcaro | TheWarden: man dpkg-source; for details |
| 21:26.42 | Aktau | Now when I want to run pdebuild, it complains about unmet dependencies |
| 21:26.44 | petn-randall | DammitJim: You can try to downgrade them to Debians version by pinning them to > 1000. See man apt_preferences for that. |
| 21:26.54 | Aktau | I can see it doesn't even try to download them |
| 21:27.08 | Aktau | I read on the web that it should try to meet the |
| 21:27.13 | Aktau | them* |
| 21:27.16 | Aktau | What am I doing wrong? |
| 21:27.18 | census | petn-randall: speaking of which, may i please ask you for some help with some perl code i'm working on? |
| 21:27.33 | DammitJim | petn-randall, with that, do I have to know each package, though? |
| 21:27.36 | petn-randall | census: Nope :). I'm afk in 5 minutes. |
| 21:27.42 | census | oh ok |
| 21:27.46 | census | thanks for the earlier help! |
| 21:27.48 | TheWarden | dondelelcaro: make what file contain 1.0? |
| 21:28.06 | truexfan81 | Aktau: is there any version of the program in the repos? if there is you could use sudo apt-get build-dep programname |
| 21:28.15 | truexfan81 | that would install all the deps |
| 21:28.17 | petn-randall | DammitJim: No, you'd pin Debian to 1001, run apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade, and pray to your god that it goes through fine. |
| 21:28.28 | Aktau | truexfan81: not really, but I know what the dependencies are |
| 21:28.32 | DammitJim | yikes |
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| 21:28.47 | truexfan81 | Aktau: install them then :) |
| 21:28.48 | petn-randall | DammitJim: Downgrading is not officially supported and might break your system. That's why nobody will want to help you with that one. :/ |
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| 21:28.55 | Aktau | truexfan81: I was just under the impressions that pdebuild or pbuilder would automatically install them |
| 21:29.08 | Aktau | truexfan81: or maybe that's just the ubuntu incarnation of it? |
| 21:29.09 | petn-randall | census: You can ask me in the next few days though, I'll be online then :) |
| 21:29.14 | truexfan81 | i haven't used either of those so i can't help with that |
| 21:29.20 | census | ok great! |
| 21:29.23 | DammitJim | no problem |
| 21:29.24 | census | are you friends with apeiron? |
| 21:29.26 | DammitJim | I think I got it fixed |
| 21:29.43 | census | (who's in the room! :) |
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| 21:29.46 | petn-randall | census: I know him from #perl, never met him personally. |
| 21:29.59 | census | well anyways, apeiron i think has banned me for life. |
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| 21:30.24 | petn-randall | census: No idea about that, query him. |
| 21:30.28 | census | not sure why apeiron is here and not in #perl |
| 21:30.32 | census | no apeiron won't talk to me |
| 21:30.37 | census | anyways, i'd love to go in #perl and ask |
| 21:30.43 | census | but i'm banned for life i think |
| 21:30.50 | census | so i'm just saying that is why i'm not asking there. |
| 21:30.51 | petn-randall | oh, this story again. |
| 21:30.55 | census | sorry |
| 21:31.22 | petn-randall | census: I think he's only got you on /ignore, if he doesn't answer to you. |
| 21:31.40 | petn-randall | DammitJim: Did downgrading work? |
| 21:31.40 | census | maybe! but either way i'm not allowed back ikn #perl. i think ever |
| 21:31.48 | census | so i'm just saying that's why i'm not posting there to ask |
| 21:31.52 | petn-randall | census: Whatever you say. |
| 21:32.09 | census | not sure why aperion won't go back to #perl but wont' let me into #perl either!! |
| 21:32.15 | census | #debian room is so helpful!! :) |
| 21:32.24 | census | yay #debian people! :) |
| 21:32.37 | truexfan81 | petn-randall: pm? |
| 21:33.10 | petn-randall | truexfan81: if it's Debian-related, keep it on the channel. |
| 21:33.17 | truexfan81 | its not |
| 21:33.24 | truexfan81 | just a quick question |
| 21:33.36 | petn-randall | truexfan81: go ahead, I guess. |
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| 21:34.02 | Aktau | I don't have a *.dsc file yet |
| 21:34.06 | Aktau | How do I generate it? |
| 21:34.19 | Aktau | I just read that might be necessary to get pdebuild to install my deps |
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| 21:34.54 | DammitJim | no, I removed the packages manually |
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| 21:35.24 | petn-randall | DammitJim: Lucky you :). More often than not, I've seen a system go belly-up from that. |
| 21:35.32 | DammitJim | :D |
| 21:35.42 | DammitJim | it's not that hard if you are only talking about a couple of apps |
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| 21:36.25 | petn-randall | DammitJim: True that. If it's one of the eglibc packages, you can easily break your system. |
| 21:36.54 | petn-randall | Anyways, have fun everyone! See ya. |
| 21:37.22 | DammitJim | right |
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| 21:38.34 | pasky_ | Hi! apt-show-versions -a acroread says "acroread/testing *manually* upgradeable from 9.5.1-0.1 to 9.5.4+dmo-dmo2" |
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| 21:38.50 | pasky_ | but apt-get install acroread=9.5.4+dmo-dmo2 says E: Version '9.5.4+dmo-dmo2' for 'acroread' was not found |
| 21:38.58 | pasky_ | any ideas how to do the manual upgrade, please? |
| 21:39.11 | truexfan81 | have you done an apt-get update lately? |
| 21:39.31 | pasky_ | hmm I guess not, it's actually just running in the background :) |
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| 21:40.06 | pasky_ | but I don't think apt-get even tried to connect to the network, this was reported before dependency resolution |
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| 21:42.29 | coco89 | how do i remove a package/ |
| 21:42.33 | coco89 | apt-get remove package? |
| 21:42.41 | abrotman | man apt-get |
| 21:42.50 | coco89 | man apt-get? |
| 21:42.52 | coco89 | that's it? |
| 21:42.57 | coco89 | who's man? |
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| 21:44.06 | rww | you're the man now, dog |
| 21:44.12 | rww | (man stands for "manual") |
| 21:44.28 | coco89 | oh so that's not a command to unintall |
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| 21:44.33 | coco89 | grr |
| 21:44.48 | abrotman | it's the command to *learn* how to uninstall, and so much more |
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| 21:45.36 | zykotick9 | !fish |
| 21:45.36 | dpkg | "Give a man a fish and you'll feed him a day. Teach him how to fish and he'll feed himself for the rest of his life." This is so appropriate. Instead of asking us to tell you exactly what to do, ask us which documentation to read, read them, then come back and ask specific questions which aren't covered. |
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| 21:47.06 | SmashingX | I don't know if something is wrong after installing selinux but I get this message: /etc/pam.d/login is not SELinux enabled FSCKFIX is not enabled - not serious, but could prevent system from booting... after I ran sudo check-selinux-installation |
| 21:47.22 | truexfan81 | anyone know which package contains quazip? http://packages.debian.org doesn't seem to find it |
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| 21:51.53 | abrotman | !tell truexfan81 about apt-file |
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| 21:56.28 | TheWarden | okay I have it almost making a package for me running debuild -us -uc, however I noticed that it going to output "dsivip-2.0.0_2.0.0.deb". What did I do to cause it to repeat 2.0.0 twice in the file name? |
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| 21:57.24 | Seekanet | wonders about abrotman |
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| 21:58.54 | penguin1 | How to find out from a remote system when the debian installer installed the target? |
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| 22:02.09 | abrotman | Seekanet: ? |
| 22:02.21 | abrotman | penguin1: install log |
| 22:02.34 | TheWarden | okay I figured that out |
| 22:02.35 | deveux | Hi. Do I have to install anything to be able to use the coreutils tools in another locale? |
| 22:02.44 | TheWarden | <PROTECTED> |
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| 22:02.57 | deveux | I've tried: LANG=de md5sum -c ..., but the error message is shown in english. |
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| 22:03.23 | TheWarden | I got that error when running debuild -us -uc |
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| 22:07.41 | penguin1 | abrotman: I mean from remote. The system PXE boots and does an unattended installation. Then it restarts into the new base system. |
| 22:08.05 | penguin1 | abrotman: How does a remote provisioner know when it is ready? |
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| 22:08.18 | abrotman | whne it pings? |
| 22:08.40 | penguin1 | abrotman: is there also a push mode? that the node can somehow notify the provisioner? |
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| 22:12.09 | TheWarden | mmm well this sucks... I seem to be at a wall here. I Don't know what that error means but it stopped the build.... here's the entire results of debuild -us -uc, https://gist.github.com/thewarden/394a22a0d3776952ac6d ? |
| 22:12.12 | TheWarden | any suggestions |
| 22:12.13 | suffix | ok |
| 22:12.25 | suffix | my server is currently in 503 error mode |
| 22:12.44 | suffix | how can I figure out what is causing this? |
| 22:13.02 | TheWarden | look at your logs |
| 22:13.11 | suffix | which one? |
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| 22:13.32 | suffix | apache + debian wheezy |
| 22:13.41 | TheWarden | well not sure, you stated server so are you referring to HTTP status error of 503? |
| 22:13.51 | suffix | yes |
| 22:14.05 | suffix | http://inyourspeakers.com/ |
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| 22:14.15 | TheWarden | I would look at the apache logs first and go from there |
| 22:14.39 | TheWarden | verify your httpd.conf file is valid along with any other associated conf files. |
| 22:15.10 | TheWarden | suffix: I went to that link and it just provides me a blank page with no source code. |
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| 22:15.27 | suffix | yeah |
| 22:15.31 | suffix | that's the page with the 503 error |
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| 22:15.50 | TheWarden | suffix: also I would suggest going to #httpd as they would be a lot more help since that is web server related. |
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| 22:16.57 | dondelelcaro | TheWarden: re your build failure; you have referenced a file in debian/conffiles, but you don't actually install it to /etc/cron.d/dvi.... |
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| 22:18.29 | TheWarden | dondelelcaro: Well I understand it that the files in dsivip/etc/cron.d/dsivip would be installed to /etc/cron.d/dsivip? |
| 22:18.38 | dondelelcaro | TheWarden: no |
| 22:19.01 | TheWarden | dondelelcaro: ahh oh, well then where do I put it to get it there? |
| 22:19.09 | dondelelcaro | TheWarden: or at least, not automatically |
| 22:19.47 | dondelelcaro | TheWarden: youd have to copy them to debian/tmp/etc/cron.d/dsivip or perhaps debian/dsivip/etc/cron.d/dsivip depending on which debhelper mode you were using |
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| 22:20.01 | dondelelcaro | TheWarden: and that copying should happen in your build rule in debian/rules |
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| 22:21.43 | TheWarden | dondelelcaro: ohhh boy, well my rules file only contains three lines as stated in http://wiki.debian.org/IntroDebianPackaging under step 4. oh sorry 4 lines including the last tab line. |
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| 22:24.33 | census | is anybody good with perl here? |
| 22:24.56 | dawud | census: ask in #perl |
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| 22:25.09 | census | i can't, apeiron banned me for life. |
| 22:25.10 | TheWarden | how the heck does one make this rules file to build a package? |
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| 22:25.55 | KsM | so, I've gotten up to `dkms build` with dkms, do I just do `dkms install` now and I'll no longer need to rebuild this kernel module by myself with each new kernel, or what |
| 22:26.51 | ompaul | TheWarden: perhaps you should practice on a few debian packages so you have "known results" study them and then take on your own stuff might be less grief |
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| 22:31.46 | TheWarden | ompaul: well maybe, I was told it would be better to follow docs as not all packages are created properly. So I dunno. So far the docs are not covering how to setup a rules file or if a program can assist in doing so. still searching and reading to find the answers. |
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| 22:35.54 | Kristina | Why are my libraries in /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu? |
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| 22:37.22 | Washu | nice debian motd?: http://wp.me/p36uRD-5W :3 |
| 22:37.33 | Washu | Kristina: isn't linux-gnu the linux-libre kernel? |
| 22:38.14 | KsM | very "kawaii" motd |
| 22:38.16 | Kristina | I have no idea. |
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| 22:38.30 | Kristina | I've installed some packages and the libs are in that dir. |
| 22:38.38 | Kristina | I don't know why, and I don't like it. |
| 22:39.45 | Washu | KsM: Kawaii. like it. |
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| 22:41.15 | Munchor | How large is normally a debian 6 installation? |
| 22:41.21 | Munchor | on a server |
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| 22:42.05 | rww | depends on what you install. mine is a little under a GB |
| 22:42.48 | TheWarden | oh this sucks |
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| 22:43.51 | Munchor | thanks rww |
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| 22:55.12 | suffix | what does dmesg show right before it kills a process? |
| 22:55.48 | Seekanet | Is that a trick? |
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| 22:57.34 | enque | the which command doesn't return anything. what am i doing wrong |
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| 23:02.24 | TheWarden | well thanks to everyone that has helped. It's gotten me a lot farther then I was. |
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| 23:02.36 | TheWarden | I have to run, take care all and have a happy Easter. |
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| 23:18.59 | rww | suffix: because it's out of memory or something? |
| 23:19.28 | suffix | rww yes |
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| 23:20.02 | rww | I don't have the exact message to hand, but it involves the term "oom killer" |
| 23:20.16 | suffix | yes |
| 23:20.23 | suffix | but what is the process list before it? |
| 23:20.42 | rww | iirc it scores all running processes to pick which one to kill, and displays the scoreboard |
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| 23:22.54 | suffix | oh |
| 23:23.09 | suffix | is there any way that I can make sure it never kills certain processes? |
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| 23:25.34 | rww | change /proc/PIDgoeshere/oom_score_adj, range is -1000 to 1000, lower value means it's less likely to be killed |
| 23:26.13 | rww | I have no idea how to set that value automatically for services with Debian's initd :\ |
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| 23:29.20 | suffix | is /run/shm the same as swap? |
| 23:29.45 | lord_rob | Hi! I've installed the unoficial .deb file and I get "ekpar2: /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libc.so.6: version `GLIBC_2.14' not found (required by ekpar2)" Is it possible to force GLIBC_2.14 ? |
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| 23:30.16 | rww | suffix: No. /run/shm is used for POSIX interprocess communication. swap is treated like normal memory. |
| 23:30.23 | suffix | kk |
| 23:30.48 | suffix | what is the swap drive naming convention? |
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| 23:33.21 | acdc | i don't see swap for years |
| 23:33.42 | stew | suffix: what do you mean by naming? |
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| 23:34.09 | suffix | like, is there a partition naming convention, such as /swap or something? |
| 23:34.22 | stew | suffix: they aren't mounted in your filesystem |
| 23:34.42 | stew | i don't believe it is possible to name one |
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| 23:34.52 | suffix | ok |
| 23:35.14 | stew | the partition or file containing the swap i guess has a name, like /dev/sda2 or something but that has nothing to do with it being swap |
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| 23:36.55 | acdc | everything is tmpfs nowadays |
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| 23:39.07 | suffix | ok |
| 23:39.25 | suffix | so can I use tempfs like swap? |
| 23:39.45 | stew | suffix: no, tmpfs is the opposite, giving up memory to use as disk, instead of giving up disk to use as memory |
| 23:40.13 | suffix | oh |
| 23:40.33 | acdc | iirc, swap partition -> swap file -> shmfs -> tmpfs |
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| 23:41.42 | zen_monkey | how can i access the small web server used to show logs during install? |
| 23:41.57 | riilo | hi, im runnign a firewall with a drop policy, and i have opened up 53 so i can ping domain names, but apt-get does not work. could somebody assist? |
| 23:43.05 | samgraf | riilo: I would try port 80 |
| 23:43.30 | acdc | or 8080 |
| 23:43.45 | acdc | or 21 |
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| 23:44.10 | KsM | Anyone here using ksplice? I'm trying to get it to work with a custom kernel, using the instructions at http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/aix/library/au-spunix_ksplice/ . All I'm getting is errors |
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| 23:44.50 | riilo | samgraf: well, ill be :) thanks mr |
| 23:45.24 | samgraf | riilo: Welcome |
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